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Dirty 3

Mojo In The Morning

12:09 min | 7 months ago

Dirty 3

"Hey it's Mojo in the morning whether kids are going back to school or learning from home gift cards make it easier to get everything you need plus with this special offer, you can earn two hundred fuel points with every gift that you buy at Kroger and a plus idea for students kroger a smart way to shop for back to school see digital coupon terms and conditions for additional details. Shannon's dirty on the thirty. Let's see what is trending right now Shannon with the dirty on the thirteenth. Country Singer named Morgan. Wallin. We're GONNA wayland. Really. Might have heard of, Hey, get. So He is pretty famous in the country. Music world. Is he big right now or something well, well, he must be the eyes and I'll get to this part in just a second. He went viral over the weekend because he was smooching lots of ladies and partying mask free in Tuscaloosa Alabama who is spending some time there, and he went viral on Tiktok and twitter with all of these photos and videos of his drunken antics will the problem and the reason I say he's he's pretty big right now he said to be the musical guest and Saturday night live this week and I mean this is bad for a lot of reasons because I've been telling you about all of the precautions and L. has been taking to ensure that the cast and crew. The audience members remain Cova free this season including requiring everybody who's not on camera to wear masks at all times, they're administering those rapid cova tests every single day for everyone involved in the production. Even last week's read through with moved from their usual offices to studio eight eight or the show is filmed that just helped cast members. Socially distance a little bit better. So hopefully, this dude doesn't get sick because it would be a really bad book Atari. Imagine. Being the person that brings the show to a grinding halt on week number two. On the jazz. Now is. Making. Out on the couch right now with somebody. Takes. Other TV news. It was a huge debacle on Monday night. TYRA accidentally read the names of the wrong couples. And keough and Vernon in pita or at the bottom to. There's actually been an era I'm looking right now and we have three couples. So we need to clarify this for one second. The bottom couples are an and Keough. And why? And Vow? Why did they get rid of Tom Version on an airplane Andrews. On her social media yesterday to address her Little Club, I've been told that there was a technical difficulty and so the names that I had on the cards for long names. Really. Unfortunate that you know certain people thought they were save the run and get call back and it's a mess but it's my job as the host to keep the show going. But we're all a team and we got through together and can we see you guys next week and let's hope that there's no technical blaming her but it really does seem like it was somebody else's fall and she just happened to be on the cards normally would do you think that the producers are setting her out? Then what do you think because I, know that there is talk that people didn't like that she was I'm always conspiracy theorists while. I was GONNA to say she might not have control over what's in the card, but she has control over the way that she talks and let's just for a second talk about how she's the most annoying dramatic. She reads it exactly the same way she did on America's next top model and it's like girl it's not that dramatic. Just give us the results. Let's go. Don't they? All I mean Ryan seacrest nick cannon everybody's owing. Tom Bergeron Erin Andrews were great. I liked them speaking of dramatic judge Bruno Tonioli SIPE tyra banks handle the mistakes. Thickly he's live television. You know he's like he's he's up because the votes me. He wasn't discrepancy I think tire very, very very well, the boots I mean the last minute and there is such a small difference. The numbers easily tap. Does have them I have to say this that I think that tyra banks is not perfect for that show because. I I know that she's got the she's got a modeling background and you know that that's great but I think that there's no there I am. Well, she was on the show. Wasn't she? I guess I was GonNa say that she has no ties this show but wasn't John in the show I guess in the beginning. I think she might have been issue maybe I'm wrong in. The Guy, who should have been hosted? The Guy who should have been hosting that show is? What's. His name? From. Fresh Prince. Alfonso Bonzo. Ribeira they should have had they Carlton they should have had him because he was on the show he was fine. He didn't because funniest videos there have been. Oh. Talk. By the way. One of the big things that some of the people that are the insiders on that show are saying is that ABC did a really bad job because they fire these guys at the last minute and they believe that the reason that they did this and did the cast screw up according to some of these people that are behind the scenes is that they wanted to Have a black person hosting the show that was their thing with everything that the country is going through right now they thought that'd be appropriate but I think that that that just firing the two people that had been there for a while that actually the show actually did pretty well, even sucked them. Commoner Aaron came out and said we we just got a phone call at the very last minute we thought at all. This is Tom. Bergeron. Stay tuned for more of Mojo in the morning next could he got dramatic that too it's very dramatic and I still think Steve Harvey's Miss was Miss America or Miss, universe MESSA. Per Monday night with Steve Harvey's laughing a love that were Steve Harvey should be you know who she actually do. You know who should be hosting this this show intern billy. No if they wanted to get somebody. Good. Wendy Williams. Be Afraid of Cordova. Patty. Dominate your life. We are here. Out in the field. We are frightened of Cordova. All Right Trey Songz. Latest celebrities to contract Nova. Easy. Take a million times because I've been out. Out Very young son at home. So do tested periodically in this column of forcibly came back positive. He said he is taken his quarantine very seriously. Taking this seriously, I will be so court scene and I will be in my house. Until I, see a negative song. I've always taken serious and. If you come in contact Kobe, please do. Please do to sign. Don't be like the president by the way Trey Trey. You better be smart with what you just said because people are out on the streets because the people that go on and we'll sit there and rip. Say Hey. You got to wear your mask. Do this are getting caught? Did you guys see Chris Cuomo? Situation So Chris Cuomo was all over just like a lot of the news was the president and his leaving the hospital, the other night, and then not wearing the mask during that video. People were. Sending, tons of pictures to each other through social media yesterday of Chris Cuomo partying at a bar in New York over the weekend mask less. Hanging. Out with with. A lot of fake stuff now they were real. They were they were real. It was going to be really surprised if he would do that knowing he's going to be. Everybody. WHO'S THE The senator from California that was caught at the the airport that was not wearing the mask Dianne Feinstein. So people. Oh. Here's the thing I'm GonNa say this you have to be careful like you have to do what you're doing because people have cameras at all time and if you say If you go out on an and you say something politically. Favor or not favor, and you should be wearing masks absolutely should but you gotta make sure that you're doing to. Otherwise there's going to be somebody that's GONNA catch you. On Camera. And in, they're going to send it to to everybody on social media but now back to. Shannon with more Cordova Virus details. You have all heard this song right here Classic. Don't you may not know the name of the guy who sings and wrote this on Johnny. Nash but. He has passed away at the age of eighty years old that song hit number one on the billboard chart back in the day yesterday. Of course, we also lost rock legend Eddie van Halen that was big dirty he. At the age of sixty five, Johnny Nash Oh, my God I think. Johnny cash tied. Johnny cash died Johnny. Nash. Oh. I didn't know that Johnny Cash. Dead. Everybody's tying all these people are dying. Dying. Did they dying from is a key? Is it? Just natural causes I know they're even hill and you said last hour was canceled cancer that had spread. and. Lastly, another day another movie delayed Jurassic World Dominion Starring Pratt and Bryce. Dallas Howard will now debut on June tenth twenty, twenty two. That's smart year later. Twenty two it was supposed to be this coming set well as say, this coming summer but the summer of twenty twenty one remember the movie shutdown filming in March because of the pandemic, it was one of the first movies to resume production, but they couldn't catch up time. So I still don't understand how they can have the bond movie come out sooner than that like like figure out a way to. Have come out sooner. I've been posting on the dirty page, all of the different reschedules of when the movies are now going to debut. So if you're if you've got one in your brain and you don't know when it's happening or if it got pushed back, check it out, figure it out there. All done. They're sitting on a shelf. It's about their waiting till. They think they can make the most money. Punishing the local theater chains obviously but Hollywood just worried about the studio recouping their money because they pay out so much you know sometimes film budgets are now to three, hundred, four, hundred, million dollars, but think about it, this is no time like the present and MSN right now I'm saying but the holidays if the holidays we have a vaccine or if the numbers aren't as big, not gonNa be seen by the holiday. Well, let's be hopeful but maybe we won't. But I. But I'm saying, let's not just postpone it toll when they say Brian coming up. This bond they're saying, twenty, twenty, two right aren't they? Announced Twenty, twenty two, and then maybe other day I was like and now we have movie announced twenty. Twenty six twenty, seven I mean they're really getting crazy with some of these are would just say, Hey, as soon as the numbers go down and everybody's good, we'll throw it out there just to throw a bone to these. these little movie theater guys. James Bond no time today new release date April second. Twenty twenty one. Okay. All right. All right for all of today's dirty check out the dirty page on Mojo in the morning dot com. Celebrity dirt directly from the source. It's Shannon's dirt on. Mojo in the morning. When you're trying to expand your family and having a tough time doing it the doctors at Ivf Michigan One, help their success rate for IV, is pretty amazing. It's the highest in the entire state of Michigan people fly from all over the country to see Dr Shamma. Ears of the procedure, and if you ask anyone who is a client of IVF, Michigan about their experience, they're going to tell you the same thing. These doctors and nurses have such a passion for what they do. They WanNa make you apparent as much as you want to be one get more info by texting the word baby to nine, five, five, zero, zero message and data rates apply.

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Wanting Out

PTI

21:47 min | 1 year ago

Wanting Out

"Pardon the interruption but I'm Mike von in San Francisco covering the surprising to an old forty niners Tony Tony Kornheiser Kornheiser stop it. You're there to play three dollars. Okay it ain't three and by the way you need to tell your girl now my best friend Amanda Valley onus the winning at pepple is more important than winning at Papa Shah. Did you just say that. He explained that much more important. How'd you do on number. Seven the downhill meal short par-three tapped for bogey. I did not part Fokker in and out splashed. It couldn't get up and down. I envy you tremendously welcome to PTI c-i-s boys and girls in today's episode. The browns are back. Jalen Ramsey wants out MINKAH fitzpatrick gets out out but we begin today with the bell tolling for Eli Manning the two time superbowl winner has been relieved of command rookie. Daniel Jones will take over as quarterback for the giants after an own to start by. Oh you like Pat Shurmur draft Jones and now he's going with Jones who was a sensation in the exhibition games will bond. Is this the right call Yeah Tony. I think it is and I it's just not a time to me. Alive Manning is never a guy who needs to be kicked while he's down and I I thought when they declared him starter for the rest of the season yeah it's always dumb when people do that particularly in February and they come with the depth chart. Just shut up and see what happens and see how people play ally manny like the guys in that class Ben Rothlisberger jury. They're old. They're great. They've won a million super bowl between the three of them. It's it's just time to go. He can't do it anymore. It's evident from the numbers from the eye test. It's okay but it's over. It happens to everybody. It's going to happen in a you and me. The giants stink. They're not going anywhere in his last thirty. Three Starts Eli Manning Eight and twenty five so if you want to do this you can do this. What I would say is Daniel. Jones look great games that don't matter at all. He's GonNa get figured out. He's GonNa get fooled. He's he's GonNa get hit. The greatest quarterbacks ever in their first season aren't the greatest quarterbacks ever. That's going to happen what I like about him. Is That that he was coaching college by the same coach that he li- manning had right so you like the pedigree in that and the fact that he seems temperamentally suited to this he he has an agitated he said the right things. Maybe this works but that's a bad team. That's a bad it's a bad team Tony. He's not going to be great for bad team but maybe it's time I'm to maybe start a new. I wonder if you think Eli will just be there. I don't see any point. I wouldn't give up anything and some trade situation to relieve. I hi this point Mike. I've got two places he could go. He could go to New Orleans his hometown he could go to the jets directly across the hall but I think you would agree with me that he's not GonNa Mon.. He's not GonNa Complain Days. Consummate pro won two super bowl. That's right Daniel Jones. Goals could get hurt people. Get I feel we'll be back when I heard people say and the many errors overflow it isn't necessarily this guy could be bad ed and go to the bench. He could get hurt which we hope is not the cancer. Everybody seems to be getting just stop making these proclamations man. It's the football season Tony a week ago. Oh I have felt I had no choice but to scream my lungs out at the Cleveland browns for being a big fat disappointment in week one last night. The browns won easily even if they don't think they played all that great they didn't have to of course because the opponent was a sorry no account. New York jets the team of your youth who have fallen and cannot get up so tony. Was this a case of the browns being what we were led to believe all off season or the simple equivalent of the schedule presenting them with a homecoming opponent. Do you remember when I just said that. The giants stink the jets stink worse they more yeah. They're terrible. Trevor Siemian couldn't help him. He was knocked out early out floor. You're he SELITA had the resources for three yards. That's very bad team. Look Odell Beckham looked look right. He made the one-handed catch again. He went six for one hundred sixty one so he gets his revenge on Greg Williams but twenty three to three micheals you you know I i. I don't get it proves anything for Cleveland. The great teams in Cleveland Aspires to be a great team and they may have what it takes to be a great team soon soon but the great teams they know what should happen and as Chris Rock says one of my favorite Chris Rock `ISMs is. You don't get special credit for doing doing what she's supposed to do. There's bows to beat the hell are the New York jets and the great teams great players and the great leaders they stepped to the lectern at the end of the game to go that doesn't mean anything we haven't done anything and even if they don't say publicly. They're saying privately in to each other this. I mean Jack onto the next week. What does Bella Chick always same onto somebody else. Since steelers got a tough skill I mean that's the Brown. Let me put on the glasses. 'cause I WANNA give you their next five games. La Rams at Baltimore Ravens at forty nine years. I see at Patriots they're all to Ano- that's ten in Oh so in five wins from now Mike you come. Tell me what you think of the brand can no that's by the way is it okay if I stayed for the browns at forty niners. Are you good with that. No Me Lo Mouth Defensive Back Jalen Ramsey Z. has demanded a trade from Jacksonville. Ramsey says neither he nor his agent leaked this but it's out there and he doesn't deny it. This comes on the heels of a sideline argument mint. Ramsey had with head coach Doug marrone after the coach declined to challenge a three yard completion made in front of Ramsey Wilbon should the Jaguars Trade Ramsey. They should get him out of there soon as they get an offer they feel is worthy of the trouble unlike. Eli Manning whose career will probably amount to a thousand thousand times more than loudmouthed Jalen Ramsey whose talented who is talented and can play and he can fetch. I would say a number one draft. Pick Jacksonville seems delusional right now thinking. They're going to get more than one number one pick but I would train them. There's a there's a there's a market out there for him. Other teams teams no they can put him in their secondary and gets a performance because once again he's talented so yes. They should get rid of them. So to that point I talked would Jason Lockenfora. CBS sports this morning on my podcast and he said of Ramsey. He's very good. He will get a number one. He might get a number one and a little bit more one of the reasons he trade him. If you Jacksonville is with Nick foles going out. You don't really know what you have this year in terms of be contender. He doesn't like playing things zone defense at all. He wants to only play man-to-man. He's said to want to be a wide receiver once in a while. which is that a diva another? He meanwhile viva w are he doesn't get along with the coach and he wants out so you make a deal and you try. I mean this one to me is easy. He's busies. Once foles goes out. You don't know what your ceiling is this year. You're not gonNA realize it this here. I would open this forbidding. You could have a conference. It's call and say everybody who wanted to this. Dow One eight hundred loud mouth and you just start accepting officer genius by the way I know he's a loud mouth might team the Chicago bears. You want who wanted him. You want him right now. He can no question that have well. This is what we we talk about. Every day we talk about people who are irritants who are talented talented irritates. Weren't you known as that early in career by the way I we digress on now. It's only will in the near it in. I wasn't Johnson talented. We're GONNA end this block but the NFL trade demand that apparently early worked Miami second. Your Safety Minkah Fitzpatrick wanted out and the dolphins acquiesced the big surprise is the trade partner. The Pittsburgh Burg's steelers who gave up a number one pick which could yielded impact player toward the top of the next draft twenty twenty Tom with the steelers now in need. I need a quarterback. Do you understand this move particularly for Pittsburgh. Let me get to Miami. I because I certainly understand it for them. They are not trying into win. They're trying to get a corner on all the number one picks in the next few years so that if they get it this year and they could get to or they could get Justin Herbert maybe they would do that or wait till next year and Trevor Lawrence they are the Philadelphia Seventy sixers. They are cheating ticket holders in terms of Pittsburgh to your point point. If if Mason Rudolph doesn't work out if he's not a guy and you could be looking at a high number one where you might WanNa quarterback because you don't even know if come back well he says. Ben Says he's basically made his word but he's coming back thirty eight. You're certainly going to need someone down down the road. You don't give to give away a number. One seemed a little bit odd to me. What about to you this for the same reasoning. Let's say the Big Ben comes back next year and he has another two terrific seasons for the Pittsburgh steelers. You still would want to have a guy who by twenty three or twenty four years old yeah it's ready to play and that guy could come to you through a pick and by the way you're not going to be ten and six in all likelihood picking toward the bottom autumn in the bottom seven or eight of the draft as the steelers often do no no no these are the steelers of the Predieri Terry Bradshaw where you may be winning a coin flip with somebody the bears in that case and getting your future franchise. QB What would you do away this bill. Let's talk to that because these are the steelers and they don't rebuild because in the last ten years their record is one hundred three fifty six in one the quarterback in the same reliable guys like Mike Mike Tomlin and the ownership they go. Let's win now. We're the Pittsburgh steelers so that's why they take a DB because he's a defensive minded coach and they themselves game. We drafted Mason Raw. We're going to win. We got Tony. They made like him. They may like Rudolf but the other thing Tony the two steeler great quarterbacks accident produced Super Bowls Terry Bradshaw Ben Rothlisberger. They were drafted by the steelers so is this kid drafted by the steelers talking about out a guidance a bonus baby at the top of it. You know what Tom Brady was drafted. Five thousand war breaks still to come. We'll be reporting comes in handy as we decide whether the niners bills is off to the more promising to and stark. I'm glad you're coming around. Would it be a big upset of Notre. Dame Beats Georgia dribbler Wayne hedges this weekend Georgia that would be an enormous times. Notre Dame's plagued between the hedges ever. I'd say less less than one pardon. The interruption is brought to you by lows. Hurry in for huge savings. Do it right for less start with lowes. Johnny got a twig offset when he was three and from that day on he was hooked all he wanted to do was Gulf Gulf Gulf. He'd be on the links before school after school. All all he ever wanted was to go pro and then one day when he was holding his grandson and thinking about twelve handicap. Johnny realized it just might not happen open for him but you know what did happen for him. He switched to die go and saved a bunch of money on car insurance so that was good and so was hanging out with his grandson time for off tough match-up. The wilpon is not strong on the road was Bernie toss up who'll win by more and three the cowboys are the Patriot okay so both teams are two and both teams are playing at home in live two games so far the Patriots plus seventy three. The cowboys are plus seventy eight. Both teams are favored by more than twenty. This hasn't happened in thirty years in the NFL might choice here because the patriots as good as they look the patriots no longer playing the dolphins and playing the jetsons stink. The cowboys were playing the dolphins. Were trying to lose. I think it's going to be the cowboys because honestly now I think for their owner for Jerry Jones he's going to say I want you to go out there her and beat them senseless see. Here's here's what happens when you watch just the red zone. I do like I did on Sunday. Watching Fabulous San Francisco the School Sports Club sports bar where I could see every game where I can sit right in front and watch bill belichick the ruthless scoundrel that he is bill. Belichick is throwing it with Tom Brady. He's got a hall of Famer out. There were two minutes. I'm surprised that he didn't take a knee to get the ball back Jack. He wants to crush people and he's going to crush every opponent and not care is the most ruthless person in sports bill belichick. That is not the way of the Dallas said I said. The cowboys were plus seventy eight plus twenty eight. I think that I think they'll make that this. No nell check toss up better team the niners or the bills both teams to and on the road so far the bills they haven't beat anybody good though the bills have beaten a bad giants and the bad jet so that makes them champs of New York state I guess the forty niners of beaten a box and they beat the bengals or not not gonNA get a sniff out of the playoffs at this point. My my sense is that Josh Allen is not being talked about as much as he should be among the young quarterbacks. I think he's really good but I want you to rob. Lowe is better right now. I think the niners are better right now and and I think how Shannon knows what he's doing. Yeah I'M GONNA go with the niners narrowly Tony. I think we're all suspect of the Buffalo Bills and I'm not sure what they've done to earn if they've been out of it for Wilde but the forty nine and seven been in it much lately but Garoppolo. I think that there's this this this agreement so far even though he hasn't beaten anybody either that Garoppolo Rob Lowe is the better of the Subaru Josh Kraushaar pretty good young quarterbacks Tony. He's overlooked more consistently than all the give you that next toss up better run after the catch Nashi Harris or Cooper Cup. I let's start with Cooper to slot receiver for the rams. This is against the Saints Five. I different saints contact on this Ron. Nobody can bring him down. I believe he scores but they cheated them and they put the ball on the one after that. Let's go to Harris. It's a running back for Alabama to members of the South Carolina defense contact him but he hurdles guy. This is move who've right here. This is a great move the hurling and he's standing up at the end of the Ron and he gives it the full Megan REPEA- know at the end of the arms comes out like this the reason I'm going to say copy. You'll probably disagree because he did it against pros. He didn't look. I argued that 'cause I always argue for pro so everything was using that argument Tony. That's that's in the class of Herschel Walker and Bo Jackson. I mean to get that run. The speed balanced the power into fertile. It's Great Defender Library. That's not good. No it's great next last one toss-up. Who would you rather see win on Saturday number seven Notre Dame or number three Georgia what I have to confess. I've got a horse in this race because I'm friendly with Brian Polian special special teams coach at Notre Dame. I think we can at least agree on this that it would be a bigger story. If Notre Dame won at Georgia and Georgia is a terrific team and and Georgia has not lost at home since two thousand sixteen Notre Dame in the last two games has scored one hundred one points and they haven't played the Miami Dolphins but what Georgia scored a hundred eighteen in their last two games and giving up only seventy Georgia is Georgia's really good woman. I thought you said that. SEC teams never airplane but he tough non-conference good. It's about time Tony I I liked. This matchup. Notre Dame has not had a signature road win in a long long time. Here's how many times Notre Dame has played between the hedges none in the in the history of these two programs going back a long long time. Many decades never never have the Irish gone to between tough Kansas so cool Tony. You know I have a hard time rooting for Notre Dame I do. I'm just going to watch. It's this and now I'm rooting and we WANNA see and I'm excited about that game. That's it don't feel bad for Wilpon. He's used to this. Let's take one last break still to come with the panthers. Be Wise to rest camp this week. Good James Harden really expect to win multiple envy TAC winner one so you know how about one and one getting close well. He's been close in his career but he hasn't really no. I know he has the one. When was he close? He was in the finals adults with Durant at West from his team Alex. His should have been near okay a a time people twenty four th birthday Patrick mahomes homes is the wonderboy the NFL last year his first year as a starter he won. MVP VP this series off to a fast start at two zero seven touchdown passes and no interceptions in the second quarter on Sunday against the raiders MOMS had four touchdown passes two hundred seventy eight yards in the air people talking about how great Lamar Jackson his on Sunday they play each other and we'll see that is must see Tony I mean offer offer red zone and find a TV to put on an actual game and watch those two. Maybe I'll go to a sports bar in San Francisco happy hour on this day thirty nine years ago. The former major league umpire got into this wonderful argument with the later a weaver. Let's listen what's DOC. You're you're going to be a world series. You know it the holiday that you know you have an age Palo Alto years old now and we hope someone sends him this clip and brings a smile to his face would makes me laugh is huge disparity in height between weaver inhaler. This is right out of the bad news bears like I had the chance to as a young sports writer. Don't you feel honored. We had the chance to be around earl weaver as much as we were a hundred percent. I mean total character. Turn Happy Trails Cam Newton. The Panthers have listed Newton is questionable for Sunday's game at Arizona after he re aggravated his spring left-foot. GM Maurie hearn Ernie doesn't know the extent of the injury but concedes. There's no timetable for Newton's return and he's missed five straight days of practice. It's curious that two biggest strongest quarterbacks Ben Rothlisberger and Cam Newton of both looking at vulnerability right now you can throw luck in there in terms of size or near it Tony and every quarterbacking except golden boy. Tom Brady seems physically vulnerable right now. You just you watching games like this hoping not to see another quarterback. Go Down One correction. Ju- brees was is not in the two thousand and four draft class now with big bannon. Eli Manning and Philip Rivers rivers was threes was drafted in two thousand one and he is going ahead with surgery on his thumb tomorrow Mara. We have no idea how long he's out buddies out for a while. Let's go to the big finish James Elles bleacher report that he wants multiple championships so what are the Chances Tony The West S. O. loaded his greatest hardened is it's just hard to see Mozart one right now. Offensive holding penalties are up sixty six percent through last season over last season's two games. Your thoughts smarter people than I have told me. The defense of coaches have wanted this for a long time because they believe teams are told to just old. Oh so this is a victory for defense in the NFL Anthony Rizzo was in a walking boot with an ankle sprain his big deal Mr Cobb not right now the cubs of scoring historically stories without avoiding the need him in the playoffs we can get. They want result he. NBA is proposing a ten million dollars fine for tampering well that end the prop no of course not just signing ending players who are worth three hundred four hundred million dollars ten million dollars compared to if you get Kevin Durant you think ten million dollars now to stop it last one nets at cards cards tonight. Oh you got the company gained grandma either one and get to the playoffs. I want Carlos Lose. I want the division title. I need your help impeding the brother. How get us a bullpen. We're out of time. We're trying to better the next time and I'm Tony Kornheiser. I'm Mike Wilbon saying time tomorrow KNUCKLEHEAD. You can watch the P._T._I. Everyday on E._S._p._N. Steph curry thank Joe House.

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Social media laws and VR for good

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28:22 min | 2 years ago

Social media laws and VR for good

"Nobody's gonna look what you want them to look no matter how hard you try. You just kind of have to embrace that this week on this shar virtual reality. It's technology that can allow you to walk in somebody else's shoes. So can it make you a better more giving person? Well, you're gonna make made woman trying to make you be into just the meaning if you think about really and you'll everyday life when a you that immersed in anything in via you have a pure state of immersion where you are listening watching and to have that much attention to get five minutes of somebody's time and attention in such like m dedicated in the massive space it can't help but have some sort of reaction. Also this way go on the show legislation designed to stop the spread of violet material. So why do people think it's so controversial? Let's doubt. This is your God to the week eat at media, technology and culture by name is Marc Fennell and welcome to download this shot. And it is a very big welcome to panelists. He's a gaming and technology editor when I mean, the guy chain group will come back and alongside Matt we have aero Bogle technology writer for the science unit. Welcome back to the show. Thank you like that. We are talking about social media this way because new laws passed and the why we legislate what we say what we do and social media may be about to change. However, it has not been without controversy. So Arab will give me the basics of what the new legislation actually does show. We'll put this in context. Lease laws are direct reaction to what happened during the Christ Church terrace attack. So during that attack on the mosques in New Zealand, the perpetrator live streams what he was doing for about seventeen minutes on Facebook, it stayed up even longer than that before Facebook finally took it down and sort of been living on the internet in different integrations since then. So of course, there was a strong reaction to that all over the world. But here in a straight true, the government vowed to do something about the tech platforms and the way they let anybody share this type of horrific content, and that resulted in this. Bill. So let me give you the long title just for accuracy sake criminal code amendment sharing of apart violent material Bill two thousand nine hundred Akshey catchy. I don't think anybody in parliament or probably a stray Lear at lodge thinks that we should do nothing in response to cross church. But the controversies really about how this Bill was put together and the potential affects it could have. I mean, they've done it in three days. The like it's been super quick. But it also seems I mean from what I've seen it just seems really really vague as well. Like, they wanna be able to jail social media executives if they're not fast enough, but I don't give a timeframe on. And I'm social media executive mostly because my not getting enough engagement, and they are at fault for says, they miss written. So that they wouldn't really have the effect of being able to jail any executives. That's their opinion of the legislation that they helped PA. So to give the time line that these laws were, you know, being sort of cooking, I suppose for a little while, but they'll formally announced Saturday that we introduce into the Senate on Wednesday. They passed the lower house on those day. Google Facebook Twitter, these companies represented he by lowering group called digit. They said they only got the Bill choose day labor. Got the Bill around that time and on the floor of the Senate loss night as on the floor of the Senate on Wednesday night that when I was watching the grains and some of the independent senators hadn't even given the text of the Bill though Austa vote on. So this is the kind of Amish Amish. That went into. With cluster. So the Bill proposes a few different things. I mean one thing that it does is at demands that hosting services streaming services. But also internet service providers expeditiously is is the term remove violent apart content from their platforms, and if they don't do that in expeditious way, they liable for an offence and violent apart content is physical violence the way the bills written, it's murder rape terrorist attack. And one of the pushback from the social media companies is that it doesn't address hate speech, and that type of content which is another thing we've been a strong topic of conversation in the wake of Christ's church. It also demands that these companies tell straddling federal police if they come across such content. That's occurred in stray all been filmed here, and it also allows the safety Commissioner to notify companies of aren't content. This is another sort of controversial area because it. Presumes when the notice is given to a tech company that they've been recklessly keeping it on their platform. So it sort of pre presumes guilt on the part of the platforms for having this content in the first place. I mean Shaw even on this program. We've been criticizing companies like YouTube and Facebook on and on for demanding that they be responsible for what happens on their platforms in the kind of content they promote, but we need to acknowledge to that. There is so much about exactly. And presuming that they're recklessly keeping it on their platform is a matter of legal debate. The law council says this could be a problem. But in general, I mean, do we want that type of antagonistic relationship between the government and tech companies or should they be trying to work together? A little more harmoniously with that laid to a better outcome. These are the kinds of debates happening around this Bill. Okay. Expeditiously has anybody? So to define what expeditiously would look feel like. I don't think there's been any timeframe given like in terms of what expeditiously main. So that's something that will most likely be tested in court, presumably, I guess it's probably gonna work like a case by case basis. Maybe but then again like that's so hard to prove like, how do you say? Will you went acting fast enough? And then the social media companies said we'll throw the hands up and said, well, we act as fast as we could like who wears the line drawn. It just seems really weird to me. It's not like other governments haven't attempted anything like this are in the European Union. I think in Germany, they did have laws that demand send types of content beer moved. They gave a timeframe twenty four hours that seems like something measurable. I mean, you can debate. Whether it's something is possible to remove all iterations of a particular type of heart and content in twenty four hours. But it's an example of Bill in which companies can know what they need to do to satisfy the law, and I think the way this Bill is written make it difficult here. When we talk about executives being Giles. And are we talking about Mexico? Burger we told who's in charge of Facebook stralia question. I have because like, surely they're not gonna be I would two extra Mark like over he face trial or even go to jail like does that then fall back onto like a strategy and representatives is that going to become they like new job description like must be willing to cop Gile sentence like underpaid. Going to jail still seems like it would suck a little bit. Yeah. Maybe I'm being a little bit of a tool about it. So the reason I ask that is because that stuff sounds great headline. And it sounds great from a government appearing to be doing something standpoint. But I'm fascinated by how likely how real a steak that actually. It's a good question. So lie in its criticism of the Bill said that it was misreading. Sorry, couldn't really have the effect of jailing individual individual executives of companies like Facebook or YouTube. I think because they are not individually responsible for the streaming of a particular piece of apart content. I mean, this is a matter for the lowest debate, I'm sure they will. But it will be interesting to see whether this law will be truly leveled against the big guys who are not headquartered here, they're headquartered of your the United States. Of course, whether it's more likely to be used against smaller players who are more easily got at Williams writer, similar to what we saw with the various temps of prosecuting policy websites. I didn't go off to the big ones. I I went off to the small this whole ones different activities, but certainly same's to be a pattern of behavior with that. When it comes to social media Bill, I think we're still sort of evaluating it. I mean, people only got this Bill in the loss day. Oh to the. Text of it. And so we will really have to say what plays out with how people think it will affect companies Scott Farquaad was on the Lassen card found was on radio national breakfast. This way talking about the laws. He says the way they're Inness. He sees that they could affect not only your Facebook and YouTube, but also any kind of internet company that puts content online that could be dating website. You know, it could be a whole range of different products and services, and I guess, hey, talks about the fact that the Bill was we've discussed to is very much undefined. What does expeditiously mean who would accompany can be served with a notice by the safety Commissioner this just adds an extra level of uncertainty, and I guess my personal disappointment as a full tech. Whoa. Nerd is. That like something needs to be done. I want something to be done. But why do we have to like this? I mean, it's the second time in six months that I've sat light on my laptop watching the Senate zoom through really important legislation when it comes to technology with a lack of consultation and debate couldn't critics it's just a disheartening. I can imagine not for observers like myself, but for people in the industry these things too important to rice through strategy should debate them we should bring in the top minds in the field to debate them. And we should also start to think about what do we actually want as a stray 'Lions from these companies in this way, we haven't really had it abate about what we expect of them. We don't have a right to free speech. You we have a right to political speech. Do we want to have a more restricted sort of public form from these companies? Do we want to import the American model of free space like these kind of philosophical debates, but if we're going to legislate cleverly ineffectively, we probably should be. Having them one of the interesting things happened. I guess concurrently tool of this is that Mock's book, the founder, vice book himself as popped up in an opinion piece in the Washington Post where he's almost asking Phyllis for regulation. I think it's the y rated it's more response to what's happening in Europe. With the European Union of brought in some some aggressive somewhat say laws around what social media companies, and what internet companies in general can do. What is this study that on the lines that like why does why is my book asking for this stuff? I feel like this is kind of it's almost like you starring his hands up and going. You know what I'm done? Let's just regulate it. Let's set up a third-party body. I guess you would call it with independent representatives, and we can all kind of decide what's. What's appropriate? What's not together? I guess it's a way to when it's probably a good thing too. Because we probably do need an independent body that you kind of look social media and how it's doing and not leave it so much to the hands of the people who run it. I guess the thing with the bodies. It gets to stack the potty true. Said in the most diplomatic way, and he starkly industries will push for Paik bodies and associations to form regulations and cards of practices rather than have governments and then legislation and sometimes you I understand that impulse because as we've actually seen in the last week governments can ran through legislation FOSS, and sometimes we variable levels of consultation. And I could appreciate wine industry would be like if we get out ahead of that. And we build up cards of practice. We can say we donate legislation. We've got it. But then of course, you put the show on the other foot and sometimes particularly if you look at areas Iran advertising, for example cards of practices frequently. Very different parts of the world. So I could appreciate what is the difference of opinion on that. But why would it be that Zakayev has come out in lane five or or something akin to government regulation? It's a good question. I would love to have a good long chat with saw wouldn't we we them. Facebook's PR team at the moment because they've got some interesting strategies going on globally. So they got a lot of criticism off to crush church for I guess, not responding directly and personally to the New Zealand government about what happened here in a stray Leah. There was amazing between government representatives and social media reps and government said the people they sent with two junior, I guess implying. There was a lack of respect for the strain. Government Maka has continuously refused to front up to a comedian UK, which is looking at misinformation online and things like that that criticism has been met with a lot of open ledges Sheryl Sandberg grown open letter saying that. They were looking at live streaming and issues with livestream streaming. And now we have this Zaka Arpan lit up up hid in the Washington parts. So slowed of signal lot of noise lack of action. I mean, I can see why Facebook might want to say at this point after us now sustained criticism on a whole range of topics plays coming in plays for contestants to do at this point. But I guess it's also pretty easy to ask for regulation. Global regulation on things like harmful content election integrity privacy, and Dada potability and just wait while the world takes takes time. And the main time you just keep doing as you've been doing this strategy ran open. Let is a fascinating one because it's sewing grind in Silicon Valley to write some well considered written by committee. Pace. Same like, you're dressing something. But at its coal, you're dressing something on your own Steve ultimate like payoffs being right? Yeah. Yeah. All right. Download this show is what you're listening to it. He's your guy to the wake in media, technology, and culture. No doubt that will be more discussion around that legislation as what an are more people get to rate it completely track for second. He at you. We'll know this scenario you hitting train station or you're on the straight. And there are charity collectors who aging you to sign up tonight. The same groups might Email you with powerful pictures, relating to they cause be honest. Does it work? Does it make you, feel empathy? What if they could put you in the middle of a situation where you could say the victims of that particular city, maybe the human maybe the animals might be something involving the environment. Well, Jesse Hughes is an astrologer and virtual reality consultant. And she's right now on the three-month Churchill fellow investigating how via storytelling. I might be useful full organization stuff like this not for profit organizations looking to raise money, and she actually joins us now on the line from New York via Skype Jesse thanks so much for talking to us today. Of course, things having me. So I must confess when this idea I popped up had never even conceded that the us for sort of charitable non purposes to stymie back to the suffer. You waited the the idea to connect those two things begin for you. I if one of these full full circle stories onto I had done street fundraising for a few years, and yeah being out on the streets. Kind of you know, trying to pull someone aside when they really don't want to it's a hot way to kind of educate people and express the coal is. And then I was in Texas. I was in a shop, and there's a there's this organization called TOMS. And when you buy pair of shoes, they give the pair of shoes to kidney, and they had a headset. As pot of bay in. Stole marketing campaign. I just was in the shop shopping and sold headset inside to put it on. It was a five minute pace. And it changed it just it just blew me away. I was in shopping Senate crying by end of it. What ching child or save a pair of shoes for the first time in a country in South America? And I just took off that headset. And was just like this is this is gonna have potential to really impact people having had that experience in fundraising, and then having such an emotional reaction to a five minute video. Yeah, it was really exciting seeing with potentially gar. It strikes me that the one advantage. I mean, there's a number of advantages, but one of the cave vantage is the has a traditional forms of filmmaking. It's an amazing tool to point to put you in somebody else's point of view to basically to force empathy point you in a in a way, right? Absolutely. Yes. So the the medium if you think about really in you'll everyday life when a you that in the in anything in the only other example, I can think of is in a cinema because when no allowed to use outlines in this, but pretty much every other day waking life, we constantly have, you know, noises. This everything's distractions in via you have a pure state of immersion wet. You are listening. You a watching and to have that much attention to get five minutes of somebody's time and attention in such like m dedicated in the massive space. It can't help but have some sort of reaction. So let's talk about examples right stuff way, you've seen this us really effectively because I was reading about how the International Rescue Committee held a fundraiser, New York that actually did fate a VR experience involving refugees camp in Lebanon. Can you tell me about what that was like to experience? Yes. I I mean, clouds message was one of the most powerful ones, which which kind kicks dotted everybody's interest in from the social social good space. So they used it is a I think s eight-minute pace where you are in a Syrian refugee camp. And you experience what life is truly truly lack in. You'll they have a lead a lead girl. And she shows you wish she your house, which is practically attend in. You see the school kids in this this makeshift kind of school and for the majority of people win ever gonna see a refugee camps. He never gonna stand that really is like thought to be able to put people in these experience that every single day people are enduring around the world and to see that first hand, it it was incredibly passable the other the other thing too. With was a a lot of these fundraising gala 's have high level people these peop-. Who who are in control of big decision making big policymaking? And if you're able to take five minutes of the time and immerse them in in in place, or in a story in environment that than does have massive implications for how they then decide to make policy a weather interest in taking further action Gars with the what we're talking about here. He's a computer generated environment that putting over The Hague's, it's filmed environment. Yes. Yes. So there's there's a few different versions when I'm specifically interested at the moment is three succeed. Video on sixty video is film making it still making with in the capturing the entire three six environment around you. I have some cool examples with computer generated work, but the difference as you are aware that it's Molucca smoke a game. It's really cool for gaming and interactive experiences. This great stuff, but it isn't the same as looking in. Somebody's is as you would in a film will. Photograph. I did want to talk about some of your work Jesse you worked on a project to rise awareness and funds for a rank Tang conservation in Indonesia, how does via intersect with that? That was a mixture of a lot of good things happening at the same time. I was actually in Borneo on a on a on a different conservation projects. And I just had my three sixty camera with me at the time and just was very lucky to be able to get some Suba up close and personal footage of these amazing animals ends. I think yet the possibilities is something like that is again these situations that typically people on able to access or on able to engage with as as much as I truly hope it will never happen Aranka tanks there on that currently only indicted list. So what if in twenty years they around anymore? Just absolutely devastating, and sir we I don't want this footage to be used MS EM as something historical. I want it to be used to inspire action now. So that. You know in the future weaken continue filming them in twenty thirty two guy. Just since you've been working in the three sixty DO and the virtual reality spice, and you've spent a lot of time working with this kind of footage, which writes a lot of the rules. I guess of conventional filmmaking, which is about directing the audience's point of view. Yeah. What is it? The people get wrong when they first start working in virtual reality. And I work in that medium. What is it sort of mistakes that people Mike nobody's going to look where you want them to look they met a how hard you try. You just kind of have to embrace that. I have what tens and tens of people what the exact same experience and yet every single interaction is different answer. When you're creating your wack. You have to be considering that no matter where the person is looking the story is continuing to be told in that all of these factors important, for example, owed audio when when I talk about this thing is. Power of sound is really important in these environments because it directs you where to look we don't even notice in everyday life, but noses what trick is to turn around a look and change direction, and sir. That's a really great tool. The other thing is heights Ensor perspective, I run workshops with state libraries, teaching children had three sixty films, and it so exciting what kids play around with this idea of perspective because they will make the camera as low as it can be put next to a woman. And so you think you can see you can see what it's like to be a women and then going climate tree and put it out there and see what it's like from objective of a bud. And so the really cool thing about medium is playing with high, and what that then means being the different high the power levels that kind of stuff. The other thing is space like way, you position somebody with INA space, or if they are meant to be within the same the center of the sane ole whether there some thinking in a corner in that observing Assane Ensor. Yeah, it's it's become. Some kind of merges into the Rome of data and theater in the round that kind of mindset of designing an an experience that his kin can work from any perspective. Jesse fossil would Fumi five years. How much about consumption, do you think is going to be virtual reality? Interesting question. Sorry. There's bisbee the movement of the Merman from in in a few others to get via into the into the households of everyone answer accused gar is this great new portable headset. It's one of the fest ones that you could actually afford is about three hundred four hundred million dollars. I think where is pride this at headsets thousand dollars each and then you have to have gaming engine to run it. And it just it just wasn't accessible. Whereas now, you've got something like Oculus guy, which is able to be brought into the house, and you can do with it. It's funny. I think the way we're going to be saying is inactivation so is going to be in shopping centers. I think marketing is going to be massive. Because again, like I said about the attention span. Mock is a mockery dream to know mess. Somebody in that space. I think probably will see to be more in a commercial use. This just so many different applications aware it could guard. I'm not yet convinced it something that will be replacing television. I think it's going to be a tool, and I think it might be something that yet is engaged with in commercial settings or in schools in libraries, I think this massive potential education on going void. I believe the schools should have some sort of veteran tools, are they are able to present meteor in present education content, just in in a different format began not sure if it's going to replace my Friday night TV viewing this yet. Just lots of go. What's the one experience of reality? Where you went. Wow. I didn't realize we could do this. I didn't realize medium was capable of so much. That is a really good question. There is some really cool stuff going on with the with pushing the boundaries in the technology space. And so I'd tried some stuff with happy. I think there's a letter movement was trying to get that, sir. Happy is putting is engaging with your body? And so I was at Sundance a few years ago, and I had a headset on and I had a half exude on. And so when I was in the experience, I think it might have been something like an acid triple something like that and in push the hot. And so you'll hot rate was, you know, mitt to be going raising raising up in the visuals, obviously intents, and sir it wasn't just an audio visual. But was also had the sense of touch. And that was you. Just before you go on your should explain the haptic is physical touch evac freshen. Yes. Yes. So if you imagine so Halley suit work, for example, was as as something scary was happening in pave. It pushed down on my chest to make me feel physically feel that sense of that tidings healing answer. I think there's a lot of interesting stuff going on with that wild as all that cool stuff going on. I still really believe that the power of three six video, especially is is down to strong, storytelling. We're getting a lot of cool experimentation in the space, which means a lot and a lot of contenting created, but not much of that is having really pathway stories. And so I think we need to be saying amazing storytellers amazing directors going into that space of using this medium as as a new storytelling will not just us. You are an absolute pleasure took to count next in your career. And thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us today. Thank you so much have on by Jesse Hughes. Joining us on Scott from New York talking about virtual reality and all the different ways it can help charities for profits out of time. Huge. Thank you to Hopkins coming back on the show and aerial Bogle. Coming back on the show. Thank you. You can catch areas where across the say, she only on our breakfast with Frank Kelly, and Matt you can see he's work, and gaming and technology on pedestrian group. I will catch Knicks way. And thank you for listening to another absorbed. Download the show, by the way Fennell. Guess the?

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The Top Four Reasons Why the Left is Obsessed with Racism

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We know that the center for disease control is typically about communicable diseases or the general health of the public. Now how this is a necessary function of government to the extent that it's gone is beyond me. However the cdc which is about the center for disease control and prevention set of talking about diabetes heart disease eating correctly more exercise we now have a radical unproven philosophy critical race theory. That is running our entire government. The cdc director says racism is a serious public. Health threat says here quote. A growing body of research shows that centuries of racism in this country has had a profound and negative impact on communities of color. That's not true. Not true. Re discrimination and disparities by thomas just because there is a disparity does not mean that discrimination is to blame. The fatherless in the black community is a serious public health threat. You want to know what's keeping black people down. It's not racism. It's government programs failing public schools democrat policies and the lack of fathers in the home. The lack of police on the streets like a direction with young black men but our government is now saying this quote to build a healthier america for all we must confront the systems and policies who these dangerous that resulted in a generational injustice that have given rise to the racial and ethnic health inequities. What are they really saying. Here let's deconstruct this together. This is the center for disease control. Everybody is not the center for social justice. This is not the center for racial equity. Have one of those. But i'm sure we do. We must confront the systems and policies. What does that mean. Systems and policies everything that we hold dear private property markets ability to work and earn your own money freedom of speech the constitution. What they're doing here is they are framing the argument that the deconstruction of western civilization is necessary to solve a public health crisis. So why is this happening. Two things number one. We have a crisis seeking industry in america. You see the people that perpetually want more power for themselves. They crisis hop they hop from one crisis to the other the environmental crisis the chinese coronavirus crisis a crisis allows you to justify a power grab. There's nothing quite like a crisis that makes you feel more self important and act like a totalitarian. A crisis generally means that the public would give up their freedoms and liberties. There's something even deeper going on here. Though as the director says racism is a serious public health threat. They are now blending two of their most effective strategies. The fact that americans will not question the science when it comes from anything from the cdc despite the fact the cdc has lied to you about basically everything over the last year the has been wrong about almost everything contributing to a serious mental health crisis. A suicide epidemic alcoholism drug usage self worth issues with young people forty percent of small businesses being closed and the lockdowns did nothing. Let me say that again. The lockdown stayed nothing to actually improve the being of our country. But the cdc now knows that americans would rather be safe than free. That's atheism is the predominant viewpoint in america and they also know that americans will not challenge this idea that america's systemically racist swan. If you follow our speeches you now. That i've been saying this on our podcast as well quite often. One of the most powerful weapons used by the left. That's almost it's a way to paralyze conservatives is potentially to say you're racist you will find obedience with the threats of possibly being called the r. word so the cdc says quote as the covid nineteen pandemic continues the disproportionately plagued black and brown communities. Which by the way is a very misleading statement. It's not true. The virus impacts everyone equally certain communities have higher likely to have co co morbidity based on income level not on race to very misleading narrative. That has been going on in our country. I want to read this. I wanna read this outside of this. If i just read this to you this from our government by the way i'm sorry this is from the ama the american medical association that is headquartered in downtown chicago. These are supposed to be doctors. Scientific method. challenge your premise. I wanna read this. I wanted just close your eyes. Well if you're driving no-closing-cost but if you're able to your eyes listen to the statement here and think to yourself. Is this doctor. Or is this a marxist. It's clear that collective action from all stakeholders let me say again that collective action from all stakeholders is needed to dismantle systemic racism confronts and bad and advance across our healthcare system. This is the president of the american medical association susan bailey. Someone asked me that they charlie. I wanna be a doctor. I said i don't know if you wanna be a doctor right now. Someone said the other day charlie. I want to be in the military said. I don't know if you wanna do that right now. This virus of woke them is everywhere. And if you dare stand up against it they could end your career and make your life miserable so let me be clear. The cdc the center for disease control. They're not issuing massive statements saying that. The pharmaceutical industry is overmedicating our children. Why does the cdc say that lockdowns or a public health threat. Why does into cdc say that fatherless-ness a public health threat. Why doesn't the cdc say that the moral decline is a public health threat because none of those things necessitate more government. That's why you see if the was honest and they said make better choices. Get married before you have kids. They'd be less important. This is an exercise in power justification to power grab. There's many questions i have. How do you define racism. Cdc they tell us systemically. It's not individual racism. It's not person a being discriminating. It's person be no. It's the entire system. Capitalism free markets deconstructed. All that's what they consider to be worthy of in their own words. This is our government that says this we must confront the systems and policies. The center for disease control is advocating for completely new society. We all know that conservatives are getting kicked off a social media. 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That's e. x. pr espn dot com slash. charlie to get three extra months free express. Vpn dot com slash charlie. Cdc says that racism is a serious public health threat. I'm gonna prove to you that not only is racism not up serious public health threat. It's the opposite. it's not a public health threat at all. And i'm gonna prove it to you with one new story. Here's what this hate. crime hoax. Outrageously racist graffiti sparked days of protest. A black student wrote them albion college in michigan. I saw this story happened. It was heating up the last couple of days and it was all these ridiculously racist. Statements were written on campus and i was suspicious as soon as i heard them. Things like white power and other very graphic. Things were written all over campus. The students lost their mind as soon as they saw. These statements protests massive amount of outrage turns out it was all a hoax. Jussie smollet made up. It was similar to bubba wallace bubble while it was wallace. His name bubba wells. The nascar guy bubba walston actually create the hoax. He just lied about it and misrepresented intentionally was treated as a hero. Turns out that this was a black student who wanted attention so let me get this straight if racism was such a public health crisis. Why is there a cottage industry of faking racist hate crimes. If racism was such a problem. Why do we have so many of these instances of people that are just completely fabricating. These incidents in the nineteen twenties when blacks were being lynched by southern democrats. Do you think that there was fake. Lynchings going on by blacks. Do you think that there was a pattern of people making the stuff up and wait till you hear how this how this cowardly college responded to this. It's stunning so albion college. Never heard of it before admitted that the student was acting alone. He made it all up himself. It was a black student. Who did this graffiti. So let me get this straight. Why would a black student fake all of this stuff will because he wanted to be able to play the victim. Which is the true currency of attention right now that in order to be treated at the highest level of praise. You must do something good. You must have something bad happen to you. Think about that too to be at the top of the hierarchy of praise in modern america. It's not about being a hero and overcoming adversity. That's having something bad happen to you. She twisted that is so this guy. What's his name. I don't know if we have his name. How do we not have this guy's name. Are they protecting his name. Is that right. You fake hate crime. You don't get your name. Find the name i it's worthy of being said i can't see his name anywhere here anyway. How the school responded is stunning instead of blaming the black student and saying that he's a con man and he should be arrested for faking a hate crime for preying on the best instincts of a community and young people instead. Albion college said this quote. This is another lesson of the significant history of racial pain and trauma on campus. I'm reading from the daily wire. The tweets suggested from the university. The school needed to do more to fight racism. Even though the charge of racism were false. Further to school did not acknowledge that the student who wrote the racist anti-semitic messages were was black allowing those who did not read news articles to assume. The perpetrator was indeed a racist white person. This is what the school set so dishonest. We know the acts of racism that have occurred. This week are not about one particular person particular incident. Of course it is pretty talking about your black student of yours. Try to start a race war on campus. We know that there significant history of racial pain and trauma on campus and we're taking action repair community. There's a supply and demand problem when it comes to racism in america. There's an incredible demand for racist incidents. There's such a limited supply that there is a cottage industry to fabricate them. There's a black market. Racist incidents. In america being run by con men like jussie smollet and this guy from college so few racist incidents in america concocted by white people that you must now go create your own to get the attention to get at the top level of the praise hierarchy in the activist media. That's how you know that. Racism is not a serious public health threat when people are making it up. It's the opposite of a serious public threat. She is one of the most powerful voices for faith family and for freedom. someone. I know very well. We had a lot of fun together for a couple of years at turning point. Usa and she's doing awesome and she's a frequent guest of the show. Have an upcoming campus. Tour it's candace. Owens and i wanna tell you candace has joined the powerful lineup at the daily wire. Great company launching a new show. We're talk show meets late night. She'll continue to call out leftist lies and the corruption of the media and big tech so join candice each week as she welcomes powerful voices talk about the most critical issues breakdown with actually happening in our country. And trust me. You're going to laugh. A lot to candice is unfiltered and quite honestly on cancelable. Even as she says all the things other on the right wing or afraid to say candace a dear friend. She's a fighter. She loves our country. And i know all of you love supporting candace owens. So here's how you do it. Her fo show is available to daily wire members. Only use code charlie and get twenty five percent off your daily wire membership now. So if you say. Hey i want to support the fighters will you could support this program. You could support. Candace owens by going to daily wire dot com and you can. There's a membership tab and then use the code charlie. It's that easy. It's daily wire dot com support. Candace owens is a fighter. She loves her country. I've seen her and her commitment personally. What she's done and again. She's moved the dial so much so go to daily wire dot com. Use the code. Charlie and get twenty five percent off your daily wire membership now. The left is finally figuring out how they're going to execute their decades long power. Grab the one. They've desired sense. They got into politics. They've finally are figuring it out and they've realized that the weakness of decent society that sends people into almost an apoplectic. Shock is when you call everything racist. This is something that is working for them. And it was largely made mainstream because of the death of george floyd. Now we've been on top of the george floyd case and we've been playing some tape from it but what's really interesting to me is how the media has been covering this. The media started by covering the george. Floyd death is if this was one hundred percent degree racially profiled murder and all the response from it justified their coverage but now even the new york times wall street journal. They're realizing that. This case is not as simple as they originally portrayed it at all in fact that this case of what's happening in minneapolis is anything but simple. Now the question is was that case of drug addict. He couldn't breathe seven times and asked to be on the ground with a police officer. Who probably with probably acted over the top. And we'll see if he's guilty of manslaughter. Is that set of facs worthy of redefining. Our entire country of course not the reason why the entire narrative systemic racism has caught onto our countries that gives people purpose people are lacking purpose. They're not getting married. They're not having children like they used to. They're lacking in a relationship with their creator. They don't have meaningful work. So their purpose is to radically revolutionize american society. But here's why the ruling class and the people in charge. They love the issue of racism for reasons. Four reasons why they are going to keep on talking about this until we get enough courage to call out their nonsense and look at them in the eye and say i don't care what you take from me but you're not gonna be able to take my country. We're not doing that. Currently currently the people in charge of our country. Or at least the rich people like ed bastion runs delta or james. Quincy they say take my country. Just don't take my yacht. See the difference. What made world war two such. A heroic moment for america is that the rich people in america said take everything. But you're not gonna take america. I will contribute towards. I will sign up for service. I will convert my manufacturing plants to make battleships missiles bullets munitions whatever it might take the rich people in america in the nineteen forties. They gave everything to the war effort. Now i'm not saying that we are in a same moment of crisis but i am saying that we're a couple of degrees separated from that that were within the maximum of we're going to lose the country but instead the people that are immeasurably blessed there were two three hundred four hundred million dollars instead of saying you know what i want to make sure that this nation our home continues on. They're saying destroy the place. Just leave me alone and in a great irony. They're not going to be left alone. they'll get eaten to. Here's why the people in charge loved the racism issue though the people want more power number. One it's undefinable. It's such a blanket term racism but what is race. it's everywhere it's in the air. It's in the sky. It's in the way you act really. Oh well how. Can i fix it. That's the other thing. You can't the only way you can fix. It is to destroy everything around. You go scorched-earth dresden your entire society. That's basically their their blueprint robin diangelo. Who writes white for gylfi if you read her book. She basically a firebomb western civilization. Burn it down to the ground and then you can maybe begin the process of saying you're a little bit less racist such number one. It's possible number. Two the reason why reason why for those tuning in the center for disease control says that racism is a serious public. Health threat is number. Two is that it makes you feel good. You feel as if you are on a moral crusade when you're going up against racism you kind of get a little extra pep in your step. You get a little bit of a. I'm a better person than you are. Get a moral. Righteousness sets in the nose elevates a little bit the the the body posture the vocabulary. Everyone else who doesn't agree with you. There not wrong no no. They're a bad person. You feel good. You see some of the other social movements before there. It's not as much of a virtue signal in the occupy wall street movement to make people feel good. You know why it uninvolved rich people. The reason why occupy wall street didn't work is that it was targeted at rich people even though this is still targeted at them. They've done an act of absolute political and philosophical brilliance. The revolutionaries are involving the ruling class to have them destroy themselves because it makes them feel good number three why they are all united to continue this line net. Racism is a serious public health threat in questions it. They're afraid you say it. You mentioned it and people stay silent. It's one of the main reasons why we are filling up auditoriums across the country and the number one piece of feedback. I receivers charlie you say things. I can't say. I say i appreciate you saying that. But why are you shutting your self op and they're shutting themselves up because their fear of backlash job termination losing friends and family. But here's the fourth reason why they love this issue. It might be the most important. I is undefinable. Second is it makes you feel good number three. It's unquestioned number. Four which might be the most important. There's no timeline to fix it. So limited perpetual in perpetuity. You read rob indy. It's the perfect business model. By the way. If i were to create a racketeering scheme i would have something that could not define that makes people feel good that no one could question and i say outwardly. We're never gonna fix it. What an incredible business model you see. It's not like the bp oil spill where they're say okay. The solution is once we clean up the oil and the gulf problem. Solution timeline. couple years. It's not like hurricane katrina. We're the levees are broken. There's massive flooding and suffering problem. Solution timeline to fix. This is completely different. There's no time line. They tell us that we're never going to fix it. So keep buying my books and have me coming back to speak and doing the seminar that rooted in solutions. It's rooted in almost. It's like a monthly subscription to hate yourself it's subscribed to us and pay us and who's us. Blm inc robin. The angelo ta nehisi coates all of the con people that run this entire industry. That sell textbooks to your children and your school boards. And i was just i found out. I couldn't believe this. We're gonna be airing this over the weekend. And i know some people there and there's some very decent people but pepperdine university with student funds without the consent is buying white fragility by robin deangelis. Now they pretend that they're conservative university. I'm gonna try to find out more information about this but we were approached by this last night. So i'm not picking on pepperdine for any reason other than they say they're conservative university and the head of the young republicans there was at are turning point. Usa event came and asked a question. And we responded. And i said he asked the question. I'm sorry and he said they are giving out robin deandra with my student. Fees against my will i said they're giving rahman diangelo and that's why they love this issue. No one questions them. They never have to define it. Could you imagine having a problem. You don't have to define you go into the doctor and the doctor says you're gonna have to pay me ten thousand dollars a month because i'm dr so don't question me and it's never going to end. There's just a lot wrong with you. But i can't really tell you what it is. What would you say. Dr did that to you think that doctors a shakedown artist. That's what they're doing. They're saying your society and you have so many problems entrenched within you. We can't even define them. And that's the robin diangelo doctrine of critical race theory. That racism is everywhere. It's unquestioned in our system. It's in our dna and the only the only way you could get close to. It is self inflicted dresden. Cy style slaughterhouse. Five burned to the ground cultural decline. This is all a strategy. And if you buy into this garbage or your friends. Do you are being manipulated. Every time you see a black lives matters flag every time you see people try to pop their chest out and say that they're a better person than you it's a virtuous signaling exercise to give people meaning and make powerful people have exercise authority over you. That's why they're doing this. That's why the cdc director is portraying. This it's an un limited power grab. There is no better way to have power. The say there's a crisis and never give people a sunset clause. Every taliban dictatorship in the twentieth century started with a temporary crisis. They couldn't define and they never gave up power the importance of understanding this issue. The issue of why. The left hyper focuses on. Racism cannot be overstated. It's all the other issues that they are trying to accomplish. They use this issue as a shield as an effective gateway to all the rest of them. Whether it be on guns on speech you name it. They're most effective tool. Right is everything is racist to and it's working because we as conservatives we as americans. we don't know how to properly respond to it. I do because. I have stopped. Caring what they actually call me. Because i know who i am. And i know who's i am for every christian out there. You know what. I mean by that but they are not resting. I understand. I say this often in the great. Victor davis hanson. Who just didn't entire podcast on yesterday. Encourage you to check it out. We have exhausted civilization right now. we do. We haven't exhausted civilization but understand that when the history is written on this there will be a moment of time that is written from two thousand eight to two thousand twenty four. That will be called the window of populous people driven populist politics. Just understand that we're in a window of time and you're exhaustion started in two thousand eight with barack obama. Big promises unifying utopian vision. None of it delivered bitter drawn-out conflict trump was a response to that. You're probably exhausted from that whether you love them hated so we are now in the overtime period. Everyone's got their hands on the knees. They're exhausted. you say. I can't take it anymore. It's a question of who wants it more. I understand that people are exhausted. I get it. There's only a couple more quarters left. The only couple more minutes left on the clock and we might only have one quarter left to save the country and hopefully open up a new period where we can break out of this period of time when the left is just going for the jugular. They feel inspired. They feel convicted and they think they're are close to turning. The corner is where we're at right now. It's so important for you to recognize this and you're not gonna get this opportunity again not one of the greatest mistakes and not a historic system. Not ahead gaylon. But i'm gonna say this and you can take it however you want one of the biggest mistakes. The view every period of time equally true certain periods of time a more consequential than other periods of time moments of world war two were just more important than nineteen fifty-six nineteen fifty six is a great year. It just wasn't as consequential as nineteen forty two. It wasn't and the time right now is just going to be more consequential than the year two thousand six and so since we have this exhausted civilization where people are gasping and they say i i'm just gonna watch hulu. I'm gonna watch netflix. I'm done. They know how they are going to do it. Their playbook is very simple. they're exiting preemptive strikes the preemptive strikes as we are going to take trustees off the board personalized politics and destroy their lives. We are going to call everything. Racism public health threat for the four reasons that detailed it's undefinable. You feel good doing it. It's unquestioned because no one has the guts of the courage to stand up against it and there's no time line to fix it so perpetual power grab the same mussalini got power the same way. Stalin got power the same way mouth got power the same way that mugabe got power the same way castro got power create a crisis that only you can fix make undefined. Time line to actually get it. Done know sunset clause and stay in power indefinitely so the question is will the exhausted civilization. You right now listening. Understand that this playbook is not just. What's in front of us. It's actually amazingly beatable. This is all they got. Their ideas are unpopular. Their policies are not in broad support the country and there's a reason this is happening. They've grown impatient and if we prevent them from being able to turn the corner. We're gonna win bigger than ever before if they turn this corner and they turn us into a one party state like california and new york than all of a sudden ten years from now. You're going to look back. And say i wish i would've done more when i was exhausted. In the overtime period of the last gasp of the populist centered moment in america. you'll remember this time. what are you gonna do about it. Thanks so much listening everybody. Email your questions. Freedom at charlie. Kirk dot com. And if you want to support us. Go to charlie kirk dot com slash support. God bless you everybody speak to use for more on many of these stories and news you can trust. Go to charlie kirk dot com.

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Amid Presidential Transition, Trump Expected to Issue Additional Pardons 2020-12-07

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Amid Presidential Transition, Trump Expected to Issue Additional Pardons 2020-12-07

"Support for the takeaway comes from hint water with a touch of true fruit flavor. Hint water is available in over twenty-five flavors including watermelon blackberry and pineapple with no sugar sweeteners or calories in stores are delivered from drink. Hint dot com from the beginning of his term president. Trump's relationship with the department of justice has been anything but traditional. We're asking if that legacy is long lasting with former acting attorney. General stuart gerson. That's our start today on monday. December seventh on the takeaway. I'm tansy vega also on the show. The cbo telescope in puerto. Rico comes to a sad and sudden retirement. We'll talk to a scientist who worked at the site who says it's like losing a friend. I love astronomy and go into place and going to the library and looking so much. Astronomy racing astronomy. Research dallas amazing. That was a inspiration and finally in these wild and uncertain times at there anything better than a good lullaby singing lullabies soothe not just the baby but also the caregiver stress level so dropping. Not just for for the baby but also for the mother why lullabies matter across cultures. You're telling us and singing to us anyway. The department of justice has undergone a radical transformation in the trump era over the past four years. President trump has repeatedly blurred the lines between the department of justice and the white house from his meddling into investigations in russia's election interference to clashing with the department on the travel ban for muslim majority countries to fast tracking federal executions and more. The president has also clashed publicly with former. Fbi director james comey current fbi director. Christopher wray former attorney general. Jeff sessions and special counsel robert muller but now president trump is clashing with someone who's been a true loyalist trump's political goals attorney general. Bill barr bar is at odds with the president after stating that the twenty twenty presidential election showed no evidence of widespread voter fraud but with just forty four days left in the trump administration loyalists to president trump or going after bar and the new york times reporting that bars considering resigning before the end of his term. I'm joined now. By stewart gerson partner epstein becker green and former assistant attorney general under president george h w bush and former acting attorney general for the first four months of the clinton administration stewart. Great to have you with us. Enjoy being on and katie. Benner is a reporter covering the justice department for the new york times katie. Welcome back thanks. For having me stewart based on what we've seen this week what would you. How would you categorize the relationship between bar and trump. Well you need to understand something. I mean even in your little trailer at at at the beginning views bar as something of a tool of the of the president. I think you need to look at it. The other way around. President trump has a ptolemaic view of the universe. He doesn't see much besides himself but he's not very intelligent. He has philosophy no ideas but he benefits from having somebody who does who acts in a way consistent with what trump would like to accomplish bill bars vastly more intelligent than the president trump. He has a philosophy of view of the way things are believes in a an almost natural law hierarchical top-down authoritarian view of government to protect the people who've gone marley astray. He's given speeches to this effect and he's able to advance that position which has always been his position because it's advantageous to donald trump so in in some in some sense Trump is is the tail and bars is the dog. And that's why i think katie's Very useful reporting over the weekend Makes sense kay. Let's talk about that. Because the times is reporting that bill barr could step down before the official end of the trump administration. Where does that stand. That's correct. I'm told his thinking on. It is changing pretty much day to day in our to hour but at the end of the day he really feels like there's not much left for him to do at the department. He's come to do what he felt was necessary When he would say writing the relationship between the white house and the justice department was a very important priority and really looking into what he thought of as an abuse of power by the fbi and investigating. Donald trump was another one of his goals which he did do now. A stuart says some people interpreted this as the president pressuring. Bill barr to take these actions. But in fact i agree with her. I think that that bar himself thought these things were necessary and now that he's done them. There's really not much reason for him to continue to stay. Given that trump has lost the election stewart. You worked with. Bill barr during the president. George h w bush administration. How did what you're seeing under this administration. Compare to what you saw. Then well the differences. The president George h w bush was one of the most experienced people ever to assume the presidency. He had a view of the way. Government worked the relationship between the government and the people And where the people who work for him fit into things. The broad agenda that bill barr has been able to advance under president. Trump was not a viable agenda under president bush. And that's that's the difference Bar has not changed his view of things and understand. That i mean bar in many ways is a doctrinaire conservative. Indeed as am i. I mean we probably agree on most things in in the world except the relationship between the government and the people and what democracy means and what's separation of powers means in order to keep us free stewart. Would you say in that sense. That attorney general bar was more political under president trump. Well i don't know what you mean by by political I think he is advancing an agenda that he has and using whatever means are available. So what i mean by political. I guess is when his response to the muller investigation which found that there were you know some dealings between president trump and russia and that bill barr essentially took president. Trump's side of many folks said that that was being political and there were other examples. That you've you've you've anticipated what i was gonna get to which is the mullahs. Report is is a good example. You'll recall that Bar furnish what many of us Call an application for employment With a I believe nineteen page memorandum memorandum gratuitously submitted To the the administration Denouncing the The muller investigation and So you can view it. As as political in the sense that bar quibbled his way through the mullahs report. Misrepresenting key aspects of of What the butler report did and did not do but also you can look at it in the philosophical sense that Bar believes that in a sense the president can do no wrong since he's the head of the executive branch There's nothing in the executive branch that can be brought to bear on him while he's the president if one of you that as political yes indeed. That's political if you want to view it as something else that's fine to the net of it is though that the public was misled and That the the rule of law was Was diminished katie. Based on what stewardess saying right there. I mean were there other Unprecedented or similarly Political if you will in quotes moves by bill barr. He served as attorney general. That might stand out That were different from previous attorneys. General i think certainly at least twice. He's intervened in different cases that would have benefited the president's allies so reducing the sentencing recommendation for roger stone president trump's longtime friend and then asking the courts to please withdraw prosecution against michael. Flynn president trump's first national security adviser. These are things that we know about and that the department inside the department was really roiled when they happened. I think that it's very unusual to people inside. The department criticized the attorney general. That is something that very rarely happens especially to reporters and it's happening all the time now. But even more unusual we saw career prosecutors write letters to the editor in seattle and boston and san diego and here in washington dc saying they feel that the attorney general has run the department. In a way that's irresponsible. And in a way that undermines one of the things that felt was the most important about working for the justice department which is an independence from the white house. Allowed to credibly say we prosecute everybody fairly without fear or favor now. I think it's a little bit naive to say that everybody's always believed that. I think when you look at the long history of criminal justice united states certainly there are people especially in some you know african american communities. He would say they've never really felt that that was true. But it's a goal and it's something that we strive toward is people inside the department would say and that by having an attorney general who sits the top and takes actions that seemingly obliterate that in favor of the president it sends a message that now we really really do not have that kind of even-handed sense of justice nor does nodar stewart decatur point. I mean there are many americans who say particularly americans color. Black americans poor americans who would say that the justice department really doesn't have their interests at heart but at least in terms of the the way we think about the justice department has that been altered Under president bill barr. I'm sorry General bill barr in the trump administration. Well i think it has. What katie describes in my view is is accurate Which there was always an understanding particularly in the united states attorney's offices like the southern district of new york and the district of columbia and elsewhere the major offices that there would be independence and that People with long experience career people would be able to make judgements. That would be backed up by their superiors. Not as a rubber stamp but dispassionately from any political interests that That that a given administration might have and this is a departure from that. Katie is is absolutely is absolutely right about that. And there are other circumstances and attorney general getting involved in what was essentially a military operation at lafayette square Again consistent with bars view about The what he thinks is the universal power of the of the executive as as commander in chief and and Head of the executive branch to to overcome barriers by the Other two branches the sentencings that Katie noted or a good example of that but The legislature as. Well you know. I'm the one of the lead counsel in one of the big border wall cases. And there's a place where where the president with the support of the attorney. General invaded legislative appropriations powers the powers of the purse ultimately I think the biden administration is gonna mood all of that but We have this matter before the supreme court and and We're arguing conservative. Principles against what the Styles itself as a conservative administration with the attorney general support. Katie mentioning the president. President-elect joe biden taking office a steward suspension. Did we have a sense for what that justice department might look like under a biden presidency. Is there do. We know who might be at the top right now. Speaking with who starting with you might be at the top. I think that. We're looking at almost a run off between sally gates former deputy attorney general on doug jones former senator. What we're seeing is a lot of support for yates. We know that. Joe biden really likes but because of her involvement in the early days of the russia investigation in the investigation into michael. Flynn there is a fear that republicans might be hesitant to confirm her might wanna turn her into a confirmation fight that said she's incredibly qualified. She has really really strong national security chops. She has a former prosecutor and she has a really deep commit to civil rights issues as well so there are a lot of people who are still quietly supporting her. Doug jones another person who joe biden just very personally likes and we can see from. All of his cabinet picks that matters a lot again. A good civil rights record but there is a hesitance to say. Do we want a cabinet that seems to be dominated by white men which is what we're seeing with. Several of the picks have been exceptions for example with hhs and dhs but justice department is so unusual right now the way that it has been transformed under the trump administration seems to some people to be so extreme especially on questions a civil rights on questions of who to protect in this country. You know we they. There was a really strong shift away from protecting the rights of minorities protecting the rights. Al bg to hugh citizens to protecting the rights of religious groups of christians who don't want to serve gay lesbian patrons for example. Moving away trying to strike down affirmative action. The really strong support of police rather than protesters in the long summer and fallen out. Winter of these cries for social justice around the treatment of african americans is a white man on top of the justice department. The person to send the message that the message the biden administration will want to send. Which is we are going to reverse those things you know as priorities and his positions in broadly speaking we want to reverse. Oh things stewart what are you say are some of the challenges that face the biden administration given what the trump administration and bars legacy has been so far well. Katie talked about a number of potential initiatives. And i certainly would concur with our on many of them if not most of them but the question is how to bring about. I'm an old guy. I was in the justice department. during watergate and in fact litigated the very first watergate related case before the special prosecutor was appointed. And i remember after the saturday night massacre. The disarray there was in the justice department and it in many ways Bears comparability to what we're seeing today. The attorney general choice by president ford then became very important and the person who came in. Was ed levy one of the greatest attorney general's Of all time. And he was able to create reforms within the building and within the department of justice To a transparency restore integrity And we need that now. So that the idea of reversing Different things that the trump administration might have done or might be perceived as doing is is is on the agenda but you have to get it done And you need to have the building behind you. If you're the attorney general. I know that from from personal experience and getting the building behind you means using the resources a politically of the highly qualified dedicated people that Pledge their careers to the department of justice as the servants of the people. Not of a particular president stuart to that point. I mean what does the justice department look like internally these days we know that there have been so many departments across the across washington. That have been gutted or where positions haven't been filled or career service folks have left What's the feeling inside the doj today do we know Katie talked earlier about the fact that There are the sorts of people who don't usually talk to reporters about the people to whom they report. Who are talking to to her and her colleagues throughout the media. So you know there's a great deal of discontent. I hear it also. Of course. I have a lot of friends and associates who were in or affiliated with the department or left it in recent times. You know I'm one of the founders of a group called checks and balances which are all right of center. People most of whom have been in the justice department at one time or another and and who Have become a sounding board for a lotta these complaints. I mean there are important positions that are unfilled or being filled by acting people and that's true throughout the government There are some real issues involving preparedness for national security. I mean the one of the most damaging things That as occurred in the bar administration was his Given declassification authority which utterly undermines Legitimate interests of the of of of the of the intelligence community and Th- really threatens the integrity and other people in the justice department but of analysts throughout the throughout the i see and These are things that need to be reversed and and that the right reporting relationships and responsibilities need to be redefined irrespective of the fact that there are programs to change positions in court to to Alter and the like of that Revivify in the civil rights division which was mentioned earlier there. There are a bunch of things that need to be done but you need to have the organization and the leadership and the dedication to principle that has been eroded in in this administration There's a very helpful report that Listeners might want to download from the university of pennsylvania center for ethics in the rule of law which over two hundred and fifty. Some odd pages discusses many of these issues and We know that People are reading our report and and that One hopes that the that the biden administration can do these structural things to enable not just the effective establishment of new programs or the reversal of bad old ones but the respect of the people the durability of the law that people respect the law and act according to speaking of respect for the law. Katya when i get your thoughts on this because One thing that outgoing president's do is often use their pardon power We've seen a lot of interest in president. Trump in terms of pardoning for example retired general. Michael flynn who was trump's national security advisor There is talk. A preemptive presidential pardons for trump's children and rudy giuliani and there's even been talk of Reports of potential bribery including the presidential pardon process. Where does all of that stan. We've got about two minutes to go sure you're right. There's a lot of interest in pardons right now. It is within donald trump powers to pardon people so he has not. He is not trying to usurp powers are not usually given to the president. I think people would argue that. He's trying to use them a little bit and that because of the way he's run the white house there was a sense early on in his administration the case that you referenced. That people felt that if they donated the republican party or donated to something that donald trump cared about. They could get a part in as we know that would be illegal but certainly that is the sort of atmosphere that i think people would argue that the president has created around his use of powers generally and has used the pardon power specifically and so while he does have the power to pardon. I think that what we would we will also see as a he is going to use that power in ways that will cause a human cry can be considered very unusual if not crossing an ethical line because that is really in keeping with his presidency overall stewart. Does that Sound about right to you. Well the president has the power and he has the ability to abuse that power That will be part of his very unfortunate legacy with regard to the administration of justice and the rule of law. He is crossed the line with respectable two judiciary and the legislature and he's acted in an arbitrary almost story away. That's what you'll read about. There is still a number of trump associates stewart who are either facing or could face federal charges. Could they be pardoned by the president in the coming days and weeks and completely not have to face those charges. Well it it is possible. I mean the president's pardon power is very broad. We've seen that not just in this administration but in in in previous administrations Including obama and clinton so. It's really hard to know what the extent of it is. The flynn pardon is already subject to criticism as pertaining to accident have not yet taken place that he's being pardoned infinitely into the future. And there's a question as to whether that would be a legitimate thing to do but in terms of Matters that are known that involve trump associates children family in the like of that. The president likely does have the power to pardon them and the question with regard to that and even the president Hypothetical pardoning of himself is. How do you test. It would take a prosecutorial act in a subsequent administration to occur and then the subject individual challenging that. Pardon so. I don't know what the what this president is going to do. And indeed he might not even know what he's gonna do from from minute to minute but how it would be tested and adjudicated is hard to know what the president does with regard to the pardon particularly with regard to The hypothetical self pardon is very different from how the framers of the constitution understood the multi hundred year history of of pardons in english law. It was designed to protect a an act of president and and not to extend to things in the in the far distant future that were of an unknown nature particularly with regard to self pardon well and that's really one of the questions i have to is that the president himself is facing what could be criminal charges for so many things when he gets out of office with the pardon. Extend to that as well. I mean he's on in the crosshairs in many ways of the new york state attorney general for awhile among others remember now that the president's pardon power extends only to matters of federal law. So that whatever letitia james is doing as the attorney general of new york or cy vance is doing as the district. Attorney for manhattan Have nothing to do with the pardon. Power and those investigations With regard to taxes evaluation of the valuation of real estate properties. in like that Those can continue to whatever And that That they that they take as long as those individuals who are leading those offices. Stay stay in office. So the president can't protect himself from that and it's only federal matters. Now i would expect that. As was the case with president nixon that it would not be the intention of a soon to be president biden to seek. The prosecution of his predecessor It looks too much like what happens in in Banana republics And so i think that that's unlikely But with respect to others who might have committed cognisable crimes We we just don't know If people were injured financially or otherwise by some of this conduct it may well be that we're going to see cases. I tend to doubt it. It's entirely possible but the thing to keep in mind giving your question is that none of this will protect the president from State based or municipal based investigations or prosecution paying close attention. Katie benner is reporter covering the justice department for the new york times. Stuart gerson is former assistant. Attorney general under president george h w bush and former acting attorney. General for the clinton administration stewart katie. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you take a listen to this. The sound of a tragic comic ending. That's the sound of the iconic telescope at the cbo observatory in puerto rico collapsing. To the ground. Last week carlos spit is filmed. The collapse from the observatory's control room and the collapsed. Didn't come as a surprise to of the cable. Supporting the telescope broke earlier. this year. Prompting the national science foundation to call for decommissioning. The nine hundred tonne instrument. Luckily there were no deaths or injuries but many who were inspired by the telescope our morning a major loss for the scientific community in puerto rico and around the world joining me now is able mendez associate professor of physics astro biology at the university of puerto rico at a civil has done research using the telescope at the cbo observatory for the past decade. Able welcome to the show held on zeno. My family is partly from budget. It which is not far from cibo. This observatory has been such an iconic part of puerto rico for so long when you heard about the final collapse. What did it mean for you. The collapse was about seven fifty five. Am local tiny porto rico. I just get the message from a colleague so form about eight. Am just five minutes after the collapse. And then southerly gap requests for in debuts from everywhere and i had to decline them was struggling with the moment. It was hard for me to speak everywhere. Even listen to the sound of the collapse as you put the beginning. This is hard you've worked with this observatory for so many years. Tell me a little bit about the work and the importance of the telescope. Yes i studied the possibility of life elsewhere. We don't care. And i use the observatory to study stars with known potentially habitable planets nut looking with a server four Any signs of life but using two story stars we are known to have this planet. I may last time that i use us about it was about six. That was thursday and the first cable failure was other thing and at that moment i was not that concern because it was just one table on cables. Were supposed to stem the weight. But dan la- november six dollars a second cable. And that's i knew moment that this is not playing good. You visited the telescope for the first time when you were just twelve years old and then you ended up working there you said. This was heartbreaking for you definitely some Has been inspiration for many students. And when i this serve out. I was overwhelmed with the magnitude of place. Not picture keeps just is for the service you have to be there and see. How huge is everything the scale and now for me i love astronomy and go into that place and going to the library and look at so much. A astronomy raising sternum reasonably search. Dow was amazing. That was a inspiration. And i'm glad unlucky that eventually i was able to use the by own april. What happened to the observatory. Way know that the first phase of the cable assira cable and that cable failed probably because a problem during manufacturing so there's already an investigation but this saccone cable was a main supporting cable and That broke and We don't know gift. What was the cost of that because that was supposed to withstand maybe this was accelerated in two thousand seventeen by caring maria. We have also a quays. This year in january. The maria was much stronger the flipped. And all these we waiting for the national science foundation we for their agency. They're managed observatory just to to allow the repairs but they were very cautious. That we have to go very slowly because life hours. Take trying to repair poorly. That was too slow. What were some of the telescopes key achievements for those. Who aren't as familiar with it. Well there story is no longer. The biggest radio telescope has everybody now. Because there's a bigger one in china. However malls radel terrorist go only receive radio signals. Artists look on also meet radar to. That's why in one thousand nine hundred seventy four. It was able to transmit immense to start. What is famously known as the arecibo message that something that only radar types radio telescope can do the still the best or was this is roaming. The words to the public theories of trajectory any potentially hazardous asteroids. That's why radar is important. There are many achievements also and one that is related to my work a nine hundred ninety two the first supplanted. The first planets are other sars able what is going to happen. What's the future of the odyssey will observatory right now. I know that there was a twitter account that was trying to get people to save it. I mean this feels like it's also a loss for the broader scientific community. yes Before the collapse we were trying to save the observatory and to beat fifth at on time to two along and now we focus on rebuilding observatory. So that's a big possibility We would take a time. At least the facilities. I don observatory will be useful and they have a other instruments. Antique instruments like lighter to study the atmosphere. They have the small dish or they are meter radius. Sarah scope and they have a visit on center so those areas will be still be operational anti-science. There could do some work. Both they will have the big instrument. And now you're planning and we're the scientific community and the users of the receiver battery are trying to propose. A new telescope cost about three hundred four hundred million dollars and the funding for that would come from the national science foundation. Or from puerto rico or from or what would how would it work. National science foundation was supporting though secretary bus since two thousand six e started to reviews the funding for the story. So we're unknown now if nsf will be willing to take the observatory since that record but it could. It could be an asset. It could be any other federal agency. That's we will go directly to the congress when we have all the plants and then try to support the congress. I'm from there. They will decide which we beat the best agency to continue operating the server. Tori i know. Puerto rico will also get in bowl but one of the funny will be further funding. Are you optimistic. With a joe biden administration that that federal funding will happen. Oh definitely definitely. I think this administration will do a good job. Supporting signs everywhere. Able mendez is an associate professor of physics and astro biology at university of puerto rico at siebel. Thanks so much for being with us. My brunson on this makes on the media the paranoia energizing. The american right has old routes very all conspiracy theories tend to have some similar structures. You've heard this song before. This is not an original two thousand year old fringe thinking reborn on this week's on the media from wnyc. Listen to on the media. Wherever you get your podcasts. Raw five on the tree. Classic lullabies are recognizable immediately. It might be easy to dismiss these as merely simple children's bedtime songs but there's actually a lot more depth and significance to these melodies than there may appear at first. Listen hannah raise. Morale is a national geographic. Who's been researching lullabies. Her article on the subject songs to soothe is featured in the december issue of national geographic magazine and hannah and her colleague. Rupert karston traveled around the world recording lullabies and learning what they mean to the caregivers singing them and the children hearing them. This is what one lullaby sounds like in liberia. Sleep is the bid. Busy won'the policy use the big sleep. This here's another from mongolia. Whose costa home good who seen t here show. Nah hussy and finally the philippines these lullabies all different sounds but they have many things in common including the ability to provide emotionally safe spaces for parents and children to remind immigrants and refugees of home or to create deep and meaningful connections between people and cultures even when miles apart from syrian refugees. Living in turkey to frontline healthcare workers estranged from their family during the pandemic here. In the united states. Hannah told us she witnessed firsthand the power and impact lullabies can have and her own interest in. This research emerged. After the first time she sang a lullaby to her stepson. Us sleeping over in our new place in the city which was a bit far from where he lived with his mum and he was sleeping over for the first time in that space and it was the middle of the night or was like about two or three a m and he started crying and i started panicking and i started getting worried. And then you know in the midst of sort of like my panic about to do about a crying child. I started to hold him. And i and i started to sing in the eventually you know he fell asleep and then i guess in that moment i started to ask myself. You know who's who's fierce had really been s waging in that time or was it just about as much as my own fears that i had been assuaging and so i started just casually asking people about their experiences of bedtime their experiences. So what were the things that frightened and also reassured them growing up and realize how how there were just so many different stories in that space that you know it's one of our most intimate of spaces and that's when i really started delving into the sort of this hidden world of lullabies so hannah i confess to you before this interview. That i have a ten month. Old son. And i don't think him lullabies but i do have a bedtime ritual that is very sort of rhythmic and you know and and almost i guess somewhat melodic even though it's not a traditional lullaby so what is a lullaby. Can it be anything that we say or sing to a child when we put them to bed. Well so at least the way we approached the story was i was more interested in sort of more general view of nighttime rituals and so are working. Definition of a lullaby was very very broad. When i think about lullabies even think about the nighttime sounds here and how different that is for everybody around the world and that sort of part of the fabric from tweet. Start going off to sleep. One of the researchers spoke to laura rally who studies the science behind maternal song. When i was interviewing her she explained something to me. That i thought was really powerful where she looked at the lullaby not just as really the song that she explained to me that in her research she was looking at the lullaby. S sort of this multi modal experience. It's really about feeling mother's gentle rocking you know having her face very close to baby and and sort of feeling the warm of of the hold so for me. That's sort of how. I see the lullaby as well. What's the history of lullabies and i suspect that they're not just happening in the united states. I mean this is a global phenomenon. Isn't it yeah it's a global phenomenon. It's not just something that happens. You know across borders. It has also happened through the course of history through the course of time. The oldest recorded lullaby that we have are the oldest record of a complete lullaby that we know about. is this bologna lullaby. That's about four thousand years old. So we're we're we're looking at levine. Singing we've been doing this firm valencia. One of the really cool things about it is that it's been passed on for generations and you know mostly by women when i think i think of my own mother and i think what she passed onto me through lullaby singing and i guess you know one of the things that as a woman a i always thought about was when i read history books i am looking at history books through the lens of men and then when i think about lullabies i was thinking about how much history there is likely composed by women. Why are they so soothing to children in particular. I mean there have been studies from the harvard. Music lab that found that infants who listened to lullabies that weren't even their own language and not even from their caregivers were still soothed by them. I find that fascinating. Another thing that laura sara lead the research. I had mentioned earlier to you had explained to me was she had this term called infant directed singing and often not infants will know when an adult or a caregiver is specifically directing sound or music to them one of the things that samuel mayor who's part of the harvard music lab that you mentioned told me that the interesting thing about lullabies as well as while you know music is so diverse across cultures across different backgrounds. That the interesting thing about lullabies that we as human beings when we're singing a little by looking at the same set of constraints you know you have to put a child to sleep. So in that way my guess is that we're instinctively may be slowing down the tempo you know singing in in the more intentionally at least soothing way i wanna pause for a second and play you some of our listeners because we put this question out to them because we put this question out to them about what lullabies made a difference in their lives and we asked them to sing us some of them as well take a listen. My name is stephanie transferred. And i'm calling from fourteen. Saint joan florida when i was a child. My mom saying it's funny to me. Little box knocks little boxes food. He's back in. The bottle had little box little box. And i can't sing anymore because i'm gonna cry. I m seeing the lullaby that my mother stinks to me. After our parents divorced. And i was at five six seven year olds. See day and give me your so to Has crazy over the You that song helps me feel secure absa heart level. They sing it to our two adopted sons for the same reason. Hi this is diana from edwardsville and the colombian american my lullabies were into banish. The most popular one was lows. Forty eight goes or the little tickies which goes like this those and bielby opie cuando in but one those in free It keeps on going but it is very much a part of my wonderful childhood memories and hannah's work inspired me to start singing more lullabies to my ten month old son like this one that my mother saying to me. Gasoline amani duck at the enemy bay. Gasoline nut give win not give bony thighs and of course there are more lyrics to that. What do we know about. The one of the most well known lullabies in the united states. Rock a bye baby because in almost it's almost a little bit like our some of our fairy tales right. It's not exactly. I mean when you listen to the words. It's a little scary right. That's one of the interesting things that i found while i was researching this lullaby story as well as when i was speaking to moms and actually listening to follow on the field was how dark willoughby's are dark. They can be you know. The lyrics are frequently quite mild. And you know rocco by baby is about a cradle falling from the tree top. And so you know. I was thinking about that and i think because a baby doesn't necessarily understand the language they're getting the soothing nece guests from more the rhythm of the music the way we express it but the lyrics the lullaby by the caregiver in the way i saw it with that at the end of the day. It's a way for a caregiver to sort of express what's in their heart and often that includes our fierce. The baby fallen from the top could be many different things of course but just that fear of loss being expressed in in this sort of fair precious moment and so for me. That's also one of the things that interested me so much about lullabies how how grim the content often was but towards the end of the story. Maybe that one of the most surprising revelations to me at the end of it we're using these fears to forge reassurances to forge With to soothe ourselves. And it's not just the baby being sued. There's been studies that that seeing by not just the baby but also the caregiver stress levels so dropping not just for the baby but also for the mother speaking of of stressful situations. I mean you have spent time talking to people who are living in you know disproportionately stressful environments dangerous environments around the world. You've spoken to syrian refugees. Who were living in turkey about lullabies. What have those lullabies meant in really precarious dangerous situations rate so for me. I mean i've always in the broader context of my work and not just a story of always been very very interested in safer space. Making my always been interested in one of the things i also sort of had before i did. The story was. I was covering the warren drugs in the philippines. I witness families seeing low price two babies amidst very harmful environment sometimes amidst gunfire and i always felt like that was a really powerful moment that in in these spaces of harm in these spaces of of high threat that we as human beings we still manage to find ways to keep each other safe and the way i saw the lullaby was that that was part of the fabric in which we create. These safe spaces often for syrian refugees in particular. I was speaking with with the carnegie lullaby project cup. Teaching artists link professional musicians with different. Mothers and one of their projects was working with refugee. Mums and collaborators. For the project described lullabies s portable sanctuaries. These things that you can take with you anywhere you go and we saw that when reporting on the field you know. we saw. How low by three crossing borders a lot of the women that we met The syrian women that we met were singing lullabies from syria to children who hadn't been to syria and a few of them. Were telling how it made the made them feel as if they were making a way for for the child to have a connection to took place there from but a place that they had never been to and we've also seen sort of like lullabies evolve as as the stories of people change one of the refugee mothers that we met could usua- she used to sing just these wonderful sweet lullabies to her eldest son. But after the conflict escalated and after they were displaced into turkey she started singing lullabies to her youngest son but they were lullabies about the war and it was really poignant being there in the room as she did that and i realized how within the lullabies that she sang are parts of herself in parts of her history in parts of her experience and that her children will hopefully carry with them as they grow up. You also spoke to healthcare workers in massachusetts that because of the pandemic had to be quarantined from their family. And they use law-abiding to connect with their children during that time. What was that like right so that was when our projects really took a pivot. You know we. We had all these places that we still wanted to go to in had researched on and then the pandemic happened. I found myself caught in in boston. Where where. I'm not from from the philippines and so we started looking at how to sort of well one we were ensure that of course what do lullabies look like in. The context of the pandemic was the question. We were asking. I guess i'd always seen lullabies and physical closeness as a way that we protect our children and protect each other part of part of keeping ourselves. Safe it's being close. And of course in the context of the pandemic the way that healthcare workers who are working in cova units ricky ping their children and their families safe was to be physically distant from them and and to isolate from them and so while we met a lot of actually a lot of grandmothers. Were very worried. That buying wasn't happening anymore because of technology we also saw how in this particular instance are in this particular case you know. The technology was sort of bridging that distance and sort of providing an opportunity for people to connect amidst all these real challenges and these and israel challenging situation honore raise. Morale is a national geographic photographer. Who's been researching lullabies around the world. Her article on the subject songs to sue this featured in the december issue of national geographic. Magazine hannah thanks so much for joining us. Thank you so much for having me here. All right we're gonna hear some more of your favorite lullabies and what they meant to you. Hi this is daniel creamer from laura colorado I don't remember being sung. Many little child's i seem golden slumbers by the beatles. My two year old's as we Fight for naptime over quarantine. Once was a to get back home. Once was a way to get calm. See pretty doll ling. Do not cry. And i will sing. No uh hey go ding slum o your I thank you and happy sleep. This is erica. Saints caller from cary north carolina and my daughter who is sixteen now. I made up a song for her. When she woke up every morning i would say good morning morning morning to my pretty princess And morning morning running to my pretty good morning good morning good morning my name's island from brockton illinois We're under your child. And i still think like it today. There is in old lithuanian on my mom taught by heard it and i passed on my kids. it's like this osh bit and a gift. Skype bone kissed kite bone as real old. But look guess in a matic at his owners. Ed bus going on the seat the which roughly translates to. I'm a little boy just like go like an apple trees all the little girls like little goats so after me go see tsetse Obviously i'm not sure that it got passed on correctly. But that's my storage hi. This is anna from stanford connecticut. I grew up in queens and my mom is leading and she think spanish they would something like Rule rumi me. Yeah i i can't remember the rest but that was how it went kind of. This is maria. Johnston from santa cruz. California i had a song that my parents you sing to me lullaby and good goodbye. Let them up. he saw. Put your head on my shoulder and plead through i. When you make the more you will see the i so good maris It's okay that's li tie. I used to cry every time. Because i thought they made it up for me and they were saying goodbye to be every night thank you. Hey my name is natalie point. From gresham oregon. Two of my sons have unfortunately already passed away. And now i find that i can no longer sing the lullaby sunshine with the words my only sunshine to my four year old. Because i feel like. It's a heartbreaking betrayal to my other son. So i changed the song few. You are my sunshine. One of my sun shines. And in that way i am remembering all of my children. Thank you. This is elizabeth from saint petersburg and yes. My aunt used just seeing me and it's very special to me because when i saw her When she was in hospice it was the last song she ever saying to me. It goes like this daca bibey and their tree time when the bruins blows cradle won the bob breaks their creator world saw and down wrong. Come they be creator lin. Oh hi. I'm fe visconti from alpha loma california and my favorite little by goes like this j nifong of their Pocketful foreign twenty. black bird. Baked he the when gooch was open. Birds began to stay. And now was that. A danny thing that before the king the king within the parlor rolling ravioli the queen within the pantry boiling the made within garden picking nicole along the black bird and the offer. Your no and the reason why we love that is because it's a symbol for bologne family Hybrid of the cillian in american culture. My name is michael goldstein. I'm calling from boston massachusetts. My mom sang me. Almost every night. a song with words is the ability was green sleeves and here was her words. I love i so easy. Sacha good little darling on. I love my so good. It's he's such a sweet little boy niagara god the research that it'll die and i go. I love you jurisic. Little boring just saying that to be almost every night when i went to bed. Hey my name. Is sarah alexander. I live in kirkland washington When my son who's now almost nine was a baby. I used to sing. Lock moment to him. Which goes he'll take the high road. And i'll take the little and i'll be in scott linda and me and my true love never be again. On von yvonne he thanks Locked lullabies can also serve to bring comfort in incredibly difficult moments like the one that our producer lydia sister cintas and just a warning that this call deals with the loss of a child and we'll hit a lot of us hard but we felt it was really important to hear. I had my first son in june last year and he was unexpectedly stillborn. My husband asked me to sing a lullaby at his burial so after saying all of our goodbyes and lowering him into the ground i sang. The song is called lakota lullaby and one of the lines means my kind hearted. Boy go to sleep chundin hush day. Oh she la la hun. Hey piggy washed. Were you he he we. We named our son sky and now sky has a little brother who's almost four months old. I sing the song to my son. Rio too and i hope that skies listening when i do sky in rio may not get to grow up together but i feel some comfort knowing that at least they have this in common that their mother saying this lullaby to both of them. There's really nothing to say. That can follow that moment. So i just want to thank you for being with us. I'm tansy nevada this is the takeaway and we'll see you tomorrow. Love you in the morning and then the afternoon viewing evening on dirty the more rain hitting hitting scanner moving. You know school. you just.

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You feel so each beans with every meal except before podcasts. And then there was a variation on that for those of you who like your. Nf tease in different varieties. Beans beans good for your heart. The more you eat the more you fart the more you for the better you feel so beans with every meal. I remember that one as well. Very good said five hundred. Battisti pulled johnston all the lines. But it's really not five hundred. It's like fake five hundred hundred. It's five hundred and this is bothered me. From the moment we started numbering episodes differently but felt the need to because like you know two thousand seventeen. We started one show each one show. Each week was called the crypto spotlight or the ico spotlight and we did about fifty episodes of that and we didn't number them along with the regular show numbers but they went into the same. Bad crypto feed. Yeah well let me see. I can actually do the math and figure out exactly how many we have here. Let me see how this one two three four five six seven eight nine tan. While travis. Right is counting. Allow me to tell you about our friends at any task brought to you by electro neom this is a great place to get thousands of high quality tasks. For just one dollar you can get professional freelancers for your business. Any task dot com. They empower talented specialists from every corner of the world to give you the solutions you need. For less digital tasks offer up to five times value. Their empowering over fifteen thousand professionals from over one hundred and forty countries get something cool done today on the cheap but with quality any task dot com a math. Yeah what you come up with. So there's forty five pages full of fifteen episodes. Each impeach forty six has to so forty five times. Fifteen is six hundred. Seventy five plus to six hundred seventy seven hoardings but aren't some of those pages just articles like if you're discounting blog post on this is on omni studio. This is audio well. Doesn't that include. It might have been where we've taken some of the clips from the ics. Spotlights may be converted them into separate clips. Yeah but it's over. Six hundred and seventy seven pieces of audio have been created so far just from this. Show not the bad boys of not the nifty. Show not y'all's voice news not any of that Yeah but this is episode number five hundred number. Five hundred of the six hundred and seventy seven episodes of the crypto podcasts. And now the news. Timing of the stamps on this april fool's day thursday april first. Twenty twenty one to forty nine pm eastern daylight time and coined gecko dot com. Tells us that. The crypto market caps are approaching another milestone. what is that milestone. were moving towards two trillion dollars in the market cap currently sitting at one point nine two seven trillion dollars so getting super close to the true two trillion dollar mark. Bitcoin is at fifty eight thousand six hundred and ninety three a theory once again threatening to hit two thousand. It's at nineteen fifty six the by nance point three hundred and twenty five dollars up thirty percent this week. Tether a dollar even cardo a dollar nineteen polka-dot thirty seven bucks. Extra p fifty six dollars. By the way. I did not spot this in the news. And we might wanna find this. But i saw something about the sec dismissing something about extra piece oh Similar travis rate is going to look for that while i continue with the prices here yuna swat twenty nine ten light coin one hundred and ninety nine dollars and fifty seven cents in chain link. Is the number ten coin this week. Coming in at thirty dollars and eighteen cents below that there's been a lot of Up and down motion stuff is There's quite a lot of movement. And i know one of the things travis likes to do is look at the total market cap to see how many cryptos are in the The billion dollar range isn't that the number you like to look at their traffic. Or what specifically the total market cap like so we have to go down to number let's see scrolling scrolling still scrolling. Oh my gosh. this is amazing. Almost almost every one in the top one hundred has a market cap over a billion dollars. An account voyager. Because it's at nine nine six three three right so there's only three that are under a billion dollar market cap in the top one hundred. That is crazy. Not check this out here folks Look at the dominance by bitcoin. Remember in the in the serious boron like it was way up there now. It's down to fifty six point. Nine percent that is a big telltale sign folks. We look like we're on all coins season in full fact. Oh yeah and complete full effect right. Now we're gonna see how what happens on the rest of this year should be pretty wild. Should be pretty wild ride now. You did mention. You wanted me to look up that information about that. Well i think the The the extra p. holders got excited about it. They're declaring victory because the judge grants motion to intervene into the thing but it is not finalized. the ripple. Ceo greg arlinghaus. We've had on the show slammed the sec. And so. I don't think it's fully done yet. But it's getting close to being resolved garlic housing to go and start punching people. I think is mr punchy okay. So who are the some of the big winners for the week because there is a hell of a lot of green going on on the last saturday's. Yeah yeah so. Hollow the hot token up one hundred and forty percent this week filed coin fell one hundred twenty nine mask network the mass token you gotta make sure you wear your mask folks The best mask is actually a good immune system by the way. Take your vitamin d That was up one hundred and thirteen percent. Anchor a. n. k. Are about ninety percent or the rue togan up eighty four percent this week. I have seen so many people talking about rune. And we've mentioned thor chain. I don't know how many times on this show and did you ever research it. Did you go get yourself some. We talked about it that we saw this market cap. Just keep on marching on up. Are you asking me. Us asking you. I'm talking about. I'm talking to our listeners. The of do you wanna know. If if i i know the answer is not you never bought any torching. No that is incorrect. I did buy yes i did. I bought some. I'm trying to see what i bought it at I can't see what. I bought it at right here but i did get some seven months ago we kept talking about. Bittorrent made a nice run. It's up sixty three percent this week which i thought it actually for a brief moment. Pass tron this week. I noticed And at least in total market cap. And what else are we gonna have in toronto cruising up. By fifty four percent are we've cruised up icon. Jassem forty seven percent to five dollars and fifty two cents. Which has to make a lot of people. Happy who just have been sitting there watching their you. Just be chilling. Omg up forty. Six percent q t you am up forty five percent salona up forty percent. My goodness pancake swab up. Thirty eight percent neo up thirty percent big big week for a lot of cryptos and it was nice to see the cryptos on the rise overall and i think this next week should be interesting. But we're getting ready inter inter the tax deadline. Coming up on april fifteenth and. That should be interesting to pay attention to. I'm really curious to see what's going to happen with this month. In the middle of this bull. Run to see what what happens with grip. Well in case you weren't aware of the irs has extended Tax season by a month so the deadline is now may fifteenth. Okay so maybe we won't have to deal with that so you got more time to To invest in in get your gains and stuff where you got to pay the piper games on the law side in the top one hundred really just a bit max token down twenty six percent nothing else worthy of mentioning just a few of them that have some minor read. Everything else is green. Those of you that are doing trading should be seeing some some serious wins. This week and bitcoin is holding tight around fifty eight to fifty nine thousand. We've seen it creep up several times to almost sixty but it's not there yet and one of the headlines from the world financial markets is that goldman sachs's preparing bitcoin products for their clients. Goldman sucks In so crypto access is coming in the near term. I as someone knows hilarious. Shirt is i've never seen this before. But if you go on the gecko and you click on explore all the clans and you sort by the last thirty days The l. i. F. token i have no idea what it is. It doesn't have a whole lot of volume. But i'm just going to count. How many decimal points in rise. It's gone up where do you see. Where do you see this. all explore. All coins zone explore all coins k. And then we're click on the thirty day on the thirty days so it's sorts to the top thirty days. Here's the amount of percentage of growth in the last thirty days. Four six three one one one nine five zero zero five four one six six zero three six four eight zero percent game. I don't even know what that is. It's like more than a quadrille. it's ridiculous. Well it's on seventeen hundred thirty five dollars of volume basically so some some ever seen that. Have you ever see that. And i like that number. That is ridiculous. That is a lot of decimals. That's like somebody decided you know what pie. Unc nothing we're going to but also piggybacks had a big increase this week up six hundred forty nine thousand percent so you know on sixty eight hundred dollars a volume i have no idea what pig x.'s. And and honestly. I have no desire to but thank you for that That useful tidbit that tidbit or this. This this had four six three followed by six commas. That's how much of a gain that the life token while the stake or token forty nine thousand seven hundred. Sixty six actually. I'm going to sort this. I wanna see in the last seven days out of all the coins Yes steak or token went up almost fifty thousand percent this week. It's really wild to look at the total supply on some of these. Like one point. Seven million tokens on that. So we're starting to see some of these projects that have just like you know. Twenty five thousand tokens are nineteen. Thousand tokens or something really unique number. So you sandy's bigger numbers up in there for the price of the token this is fun. I wanna i wanna start doing this more often clicking on that area so we can see some of these because some of these numbers are just insane. It's kind of like a like talking tokens thing. Maybe we should just randomly scroll through and see done. The mouse might random. Scroll edged so. Bitcoin did have a flash crash on the thirty first. It went down two thousand dollars in five minutes because a bunch of Traders decided a. We're gonna we're going to get out right here. They liquidated six hundred million dollars in long's But you know that happens. It's like a cryptic goes up cryptic goes down. It's there's you know. I am not afraid of your volatility voluntary ta. I'm not afraid neither. This has been one crazy crazy. Ride and We're just getting started. I feel like it be doing to save for like it was four years now. Five hundred episodes. It still seems so new and fresh because so much is happening at all. It doesn't seem like. I don't know that we've i've ever personally had some project that i've worked on for this long. That the seem to get stale never gotten stale. It only gets more interesting. It's it's fresh fresh exciting. So i'm going to read this to you. As though it's say Orson welles radio show okay. I'm waking up to find all of the bitcoin. Your wallet had vanished into thin air. It's a harrowing thing to think of. But imagine the scenario you turn on the television and it's rife with reports of all the bitcoin in the world ceasing to exist. If bitcoin vanished it would have grave implications for the financial sector and we would see scenes like those from the financial crisis of two thousand and eight. This reads Really interesting here on daily coin dot com the title of the pieces. What if bitcoin ceased to exist tomorrow. It's a very unlikely event. And in a lot of corporations that have invested in purchase large amounts of bitcoin would crash mike strategy tesla others. A lot of people that you know owned cryptos. All of a sudden would wake up and be like an goes all my cryptos but could it happen out. Could bitcoin ceased to exist. I think bitcoin be would cease to exist if like massive. Emp's happened around. The world and all electricity was shut down and the grids who came to a complete stop and we got booted back to the eighteen hundreds. Maybe i mean that'd be one way to kill that and so i would also say in case that should happen to make sure you got some silver or some things barter right i if that were to go down and it became sort of a crazy dystopia. You wanna have bullets because bullets could be used just for shooting animals and food but that will be currency silver would be currency. Gold would be currency paper. Money probably wouldn't be worth nearly as much than just because they printed so many of them toilet paper toilet paper would be toilet. Paper would be really good I know i'm saying i'm saying the paper money would be toilet paper so the article gives three possible scenarios shutting down the entire internet. But that's really not possible because there's not a single point of failure ride in the internet so it just about impossible another would be the destruction of all nodes and minors but The article says before that could happen the nodes would take cover behind an impregnable wall of veep. Em's and the third is if governments were to pass legislation banning bitcoin. It's unstoppable money. It's been banned in many countries and people are still using it. Citizens are still by. They're saying hey you know what no were still still able to buy bitcoin and use it. Even if you've made it until you bomb the bitcoin banded and you ain't gonna take away my unstoppable money kazaa and i would be the big coin bandidos. I think where it's it's more unstoppable. Because of stories like this. The big news from march thirtieth pay pal. Launches checkout with crypto enabling. Pay pal customers in the us to check out with cryptocurrency alongside other payment methods in the pay pal wallet so this is just for us citizens right now but basically you go to paypal checkout and usually where you can just pick a credit card or a debit card crypto will automatically appear as well. If you've got crypto that you can use to purchase it so if you're holding. Bitcoin lie coin a theory. I'm not sure what else they have right. Now they're on pay pal. But i don't think they have. Yeah so so. Think about this folks. This is what one side. It's very cool because people who are put people who use paper around the world. There's so many right and they're gonna see bitcoin therion because they're gonna see crypto all the time reconfirming to them. Wow oh this does have some valid us alone pay pals dennis now conversely it kinda sucks because you can only use the bitcoin that you have in your pay pal wallet that you bought with your pay pal balances right so you're not able to send bitcoin to your power while or you're not able to pay through pay pal and connect your bitcoin wallet. It is located in their custodial wallet. Sort of like you know. Like robin hood like robin hood and have bitcoin in there. You can't transfer your bitcoin out of there. You can only transfer money in and then converted to bitcoin. Let it do its thing. And then when you're done you sell it and then send the money out again. It's very similar on this on. Pay pal however this is a very very huge momentous step and i don't know if we have an article on this as well but also on the same day that powell was talking about doing. This visa is talking about accepting cryptos as well Through their payment mechanism. And so tell me. That's not too huge giant. Golden nuggets for the future of crypto. It's not too huge for me. So there's a lot of jokes about cryptos in specifically doj coin going to the moon right going to the moon and beyond is is vernacular for it The price going way way up. Well elon musk. On april fools today made a tweet and this was the tweet spacex is going to put a literal doj coin on the literal moon. Now look we know. Doj coins started as a joke coins. Amine but I don't think he's joking around. When he's talking about this. I think he totally understands the sensibility of the community of doj. Coin being the people's money. And i can see him taking some sort of representation of a doj coin right because obviously you can't sprinkle digital currency anywhere because it's virtual by taking a little shiba inu coin and putting it on the moon saying they're doj coin went to the moon they go literally going to. I don't know if he's gonna take a metal coin of some sort. That has the does coin on it. Or if he's gonna drop and your wallet or something there. But i think it is fascinating it is also interesting that it is on april fools day that he mentioned it but is it like today does day or something isn't like april fools day it's also doj day. It's a joke coins. Little coin that could And he's not. Did they come out. On april fools day. I don't have the answer to that. That's a really really good question but it should have so. If it didn't it should have So elon musk. Of course people love and they take this tweet in a very positive light on the other hand one that is not so beloved by the crypto community. Is peter schiff the gold bug who talk smack about bitcoin all the time here on april fools. He's not fooling anybody. And i actually think this is self owning. But his tweet from today says i was wrong about bitcoin. Not even a joke. Because it's clearly was. He doesn't believe it he's fools. He doesn't believe only joke. He's joking he's a and what's funny is now people are going. Yeah now you are. One of the world's great economists great job welcome home and then Us were is pretty funny so anyway. I think that He's been clearly wrong because max. Kaiser said he began talking to peter. Schiff about bitcoin. When it was a dollar right like dude man would have been great to get in on bitcoin. Out dollar and You know what since that's happened like the price of gold is what been pretty lateral movement like. It's gone up. Maybe three or four hundred dollars since bitcoin was a dollar something non lot. I mean it's not going up too much no not much. Sorry peter schiff. Oh i just stepped dog. Schiff my shoe room. Yeah so There was a theft. That happened because there was a fake tresor app. That was in apple's app store and they had removed it several times. But it somehow kept getting in and one apple iphone user. Had six hundred thousand dollars in bitcoin. Stolen is total life savings. He basically handed over to these scammers. And who does he blame. He blames apple. Well i mean this is not this is i. Want to give a nod to John mcafee who was on episode one hundred on two hundred three hundred on four hundred and he was not here because he's in jail right now but he said this long ago people do not put your crypto currency on your mobile device. It will get stolen. There will be a time where they will come in. And swipe money from your mobile device. People please come on. Is something along those lines. That's not bad. That's that's that's actually not bad. It's midway i was like. Oh no kind of sound like captain kirk you were hesitating a little do plush. Start eight four to nine april twentieth. Twenty two so sorry dude you left you. Put your crypto on a mobile device not good We wanted to put your cryptos. Your big chunk of your cryptos in a device that is not connected to the internet. That is you know away from the internet. Not in the internet not connected to the internet and also not connected to the internet. How does how did they get away with this though you know with somebody uploading fake wallet app trees or doesn't have a wallet app. The reason that the trees are secure is because it's a device. That's off line right. You should know that when you buy a hard wallet that you're not gonna plug into an app on the phone. That's why you have hard wallet. I then he just decided to plug in his seed. Phrase and philippe big crystal dual Had his savings of seventeen point one bitcoin. Taken man and I wonder i wonder if apple got their their thirty percent on that he Right so i'm actually. I'm looking in the app store right now. Just to see if anything pops up when i type in tresor. Not zero crypto comes up. But i don't see tresor now. Let me take a look your and type in ledger. nca something comes up now. there is a ledger. live app and i believe that it is legitimate. Any house man. It's as dangerous to me. Yeah i don't wanna put my. I'm going to type in my seat phrases in the software going to do that. And that's one thing that the jameson lobb who we had on really early. And he's the co founder of the crypto custody platform casa. He did say the same thing. Stop entering seed phrases in the software only intercedes into dedicated bitcoin hardware devices. If you got your criminal stolen that is not an april fools joke it is real life and you are the rule because you typed in your seat phrase into your mobile device. People please nor do walk walk. Speaking of ledgers is a good time to and now for a message from ledger. In the world of crypto. It can be hard to know what information is good and what is just useless and not needed for the regular everyday investor with so many wallets exchanges apps and platforms. It is tough to know where to turn for a trusted solution. Guess what that's where ledger comes in. 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I two hundred people so tick tock gang bad co dot. in ford slash ledger. I don't i don't even trust my tresor that much anymore. Because i've had one tresor fail on me and it was really hard to get it to to to get back going. But i i have the i. What is it the x. Ledger access at the other one. And the half yes And i would say this folks people please. If you're gonna get yourself hardware wallet. Get it from the direct company. They'll go to amazon and get forget. Ledger don't go to amazon. And get a tresor because those could be literally They have some back end to them where they've gone in and resealed them up. Put put some software on there to have it steal your see phrase wherever you put your cryptos on their only. Get something directly. That's why we're working with ledger. Because we believe it's the best hardware wallet that we've seen so far. A lot of other crypto professionals agree and get it directly from ledger. bad code dot. In for its last ledger. like heath ledger. Only live act. Didn't want to say. But i guess that's the fact so the sec is relentless and now they're hitting out at library l. b. r. y. Library inc blockchain company that does decentralize video basically a decentralized to to youtube In the folks that google who seek to control your the way you think feel believe in all of that and we'll censor the crap out of you. They have an app called odyssey. That is the front facing app and the sec is suing them in saying that the library corn is a security And so what they're saying is a quote classifying. All actively developed blockchain tokens as securities will be a bureaucratic nightmare for us residents and businesses operating in the us. Let's just chase more More innovation offshore elsewhere because the government has no idea what they're doing. It's unbelievable now. I do think that some of this kind of stuff is. What's going to push the industry to security tokens when it's all said and done. This is kind of as go-between is a little going on and You know the crypto spirit of krypton they wanna be decentralized and they wanna be their own thing and then the sec they wanna regulate things I think there can still be a decentralisation with with some regulation potentially And i do think that you know. Security tokens are going to be just a giant enormous industry when it's when when that when that space becomes of age we're going to see tens of trillions of dollars worth of growth in relative short order. I would i would suggest i would assume but again not financial advisor. We've said that for for a while but this episode five hundred so we gotta say five hundred times that we are not financial advisors financial advisors. They say what is crypto. You've inspired me surly travis. So i like when halloween comes around again. I know what my costume is gonna be. I'm gonna address is no. I know i'm going to dress up like a ghost and put bitcoin all over me. And i'm gonna be the spirit of crypto. Okay nice all right. The spirit of crypto. I am the spirit of crypto doj. Going to the moon. Yeah yes very nice. Yes so Sunken sec you know. I i know that the you know when when we had the aco craze going on seventeen and eighteen sec was doing a lot of stuff. And i think it really stop that. Stop the run. I don't think that's going to happen this time. Because it's global baby and this run is not going to be stopped until the cycle is over. It's going to end. It always does and this is what happens after a happening is this is sort of a boom and then it will tail off eventually and go down but it will stand a much higher place than it was before but it will probably end up being lower than it is now. But we'll see. I don't know some people are talking about good. Lord they're saying that Are the end of this year. Bitcoin could be worth lambeau. And by the end of two thousand twenty three bitcoin could be worth lambeau and a bugatti strove. Ceo of kraken is released. The crack until you and crypto is going to be the big cracking. Why don't we just strap that. Lambeau to a spacex rocket and just take it to the moon might as well the doj. More about the sec. Here hester pierce who is fondly referred to as crypto mom because she has supported digital digital currencies She did an interview with forbes. To answer crypto questions and one of the things she noted is that a us bitcoin edf etf rather is long overdue. It should have been done a long time ago. And she has said. My view has been that. We're overdue on approving one of these things. I also think we dug ourselves into a bit of a difficult hole by setting standards for approval that are difficult to figure out how to satisfy so. I really don't know where we're going to go so in other words we need to do something about beats me and this is now because this is the bad crypto podcast So according to invest oh pedia what is an etf while it's an exchange traded fund. It's a type of security. The tracks and index a sector a commodity or other asset which can be purchased or sold on a stock exchange. Staying at the regular stock. Atf academy structure to try anything from the price of an individual commodity to a large diverse collection of securities. Eds can even be structured. The track specific investment strategies. I think we're gonna see some. Nf t. e. t. s. eventually and that's kind of what the whale coin is right and We're going to be some other stuff. So some more some crypto but having bitcoin as an etf will allow people to really leverage that on the stock market and not actually own any of the crypto but just kind of bet on it in the stock market. So i don't know should be interesting if it happens. More and more people will invest that. But then again you don't. You're not gonna actually own crypto you're gonna own the etf of the bitcoin. That's not actually holding your keys. So good luck with wouldn't net. Just be an nfc t.f. An nf etf. Yeah no i. I mean i. I just want to conserve on letters. And i just. I feel like there's only twenty six of them in the nf t t f but after because it's a non fungible token exchange traded fund. Whatever it could be it could be an nf. T t f non fungible token fund. We can do that sir. Lord travis allowed to have a a sculpture landowners yet sir. Large swivel scottish landowners. You'll be glad to know that a school in edinburgh a music school would it begin to accept tuition payments in the form of cryptocurrency in. I'm not talking scottish anymore. i'm talking some. I have just totally my apologies to other lords and ladies for this but there is kinda created your own language. there's a scottish music school. That is going to accept crypto as payments for lessons the morningside school of music. They're gonna take your bitcoin so you can you can pay to to learn how to To play the bagpipes in. Bitcoin sometimes need to use things like that going to pay for goods and after school to show the music students how to use this is just another. Example of how crypto currency is helping out the small business and teaching the world's youth about the future of money economics. Want to say this bagpipe playing gently below while actually produced by the one and only billy. Bagpipes are former. Head of the isn't great bagpipe player. When he instead of arresting people he decided to sit around and play the bagpipes job. Billy well as long as we're on the other side of the world that's head down under and get with our our alsi correspondent kangaroo traff to talk about a way for australians to exchange solar energy credits for beer with blockchain a kangaroo traveler. You there italian the only thing better than drinking beer and they all see son is earning beer while you do. Plus it's a rare win win for beer lovers and the environment drivers drivers didn't say that travels. That would be my name victoria. Bit as general manager of the marketing team. Said that you want to drink your beer. You wanna have a bud. You want to sit at the beach. You wanna do it in. This is a. This is a power ledger story. By the way this then it was power. Ledger was on our very first. I see oh you know what think are very i i see how shall we had engine and them. Didn't we know it was hurrah. All horizon vote on. Do it was early. I think i wanna say music. Konami was the first one Along we'd have to go back to the archives gotta do is use the search engine. Yeah so basically the blockchain platforms going to be responsible for tracking how much power customers feed the grid Jehmu greene who interviewed on the show. Said you can see how many bottles of beer you've earned every thirty minutes and using the solar credits obtained in the program. victoria bitter. She's not better. it's not better. Were not better will reinvest them back into the program or towards the businesses broader sustainability goals. It was horizon. State block are acts and power ledger back on october. Third two thousand seventeen damn long time ago in a bad crip topi galaxy. Not too far away travel. There is a new item on a new site new social media site that people are talking about on the twitter and other places called bit clout and you and i discovered it this week and of course there's a lot of questions of whether or not it's legit or whether it's a scam but essentially it's a social network where you get to have a coin of your own and you can speculate on people and posts with real money the bit clout coin. Yeah and So what so. How many of these tokens individual creator. Do we know. Oh i guess it says how many are in circulating supply by how many people have bought them and actually shows some of these have two hundred creator golden some of them have four at the time of this article elon. Musk had four hundred and twenty eight creator coins. This is an interesting way to do it. Decentralized social but there's also a problem with it is that so. I don't know the whole sign up process but joel signed up and then he tweeted out. Hey t. w i'm on bitcoin. Getting on and then. I was like on an airplane. And then somebody from the community or somebody who saw the tweet jumped on big cloud and took my username and I had to reach out to big cloud and then we also scared the did because he showed himself on one of joel's post with e. Put the avatar me and all of my bio information. Hey cool. How do i buy some of your by some of your bid club and there's the scammer and then So we called him out and any changes information. And then i said all right. How do i get my account value. What's what's the solution. And then he changed his name on big cloud so that i could actually claim my name. I've never seen a scammer be. So you know Generous okay. hey my bad sorry. I try to scam all your users and everything. The bad part about it was that since people had already bought that token the twa token. I was unable to get any super cheap. Now my tokens were like three hundred. And sixty dollars it you tell them to call you. King daddy is what i wanna know. I did not have to resort to that method and that is called. That's a serious callback to uh episode. Like thirty five or thirty six when somebody hacked my shit is still stole. My phone. number's called up. T mobile stole my phone number and then Was able to then because we were. We were bad. Super bad crypto. Then and then got my phone number and got my twitter. Hack my apple. id hacked. I my g mail and my other emails active. And then. I actually got the dude back while i was on an airplane. Fly into berlin and i was able to you know. Get it back in the negotiations. I was the negotiator. It was crazy. Well there's a lot of questions from the crypto community of whether or not this is going to be a rug poll or not. it's a scam. Do your own due diligence There's There apparently it's backed by. Vc's who pre mind bit cloud before it hit the markets and now they're sitting on it Same goes for creator coins so scam. Maybe maybe not don't know interesting idea. I'm on there as at joel calm and because i was on there a day before travis mike coin is worth five hundred. Eighty seven dollars right now and so rather than going on twitter. I met bit clout so bit. Clouds dot com forward slash. You forward slash joel. Comm in you can buy a piece meet. You want a piece of me. You want a piece of me call you. Come get a piece of me and you'll get a piece of twa to t eat do you b. y. a. t. w. on bit cloud it will link to both of these in the show notes which by the way we have not yet referenced where people can find the show notes for this episode. Where can they find them. Travis piece of you you want a piece of showed. It's a bad co dot. In like every other one of our show we we do. Bad co dot in spells bad coin and it's number five hundred so slash five hundred. That's what he's shown also gonna be and where we're going to be all be right here if you've got a problem you need be. I'm going to be right here. You know you can find me of being bought a boom there. You go get some big club this story. I find this you using as your twitter or you tweeden from it. And i'm not tweeting. I am tight. Yes i'm using it i'm i'm i'm bidding. I'm clouding. I'm i'm once bitten twice. Shy i mean right l. ut you can post text or you can post an image with it. That's it right now in. You can invest in other people's coins. I bought a pc you i said. Hey here's one hundred dollars. Give me a piece of that lug over there that debt nice. i Speaking of the crypto bitch. He's gotten smacked around more than tether People have said oh telerate the it ain't all there are fully backed. And there's a new assurance report that does claim that tethers reserves. Are they exceed the amount required to redeem the digital tokens. So there are more dollars in tether than there are tether according to the statement shared on twitter on tuesday a provided the company's consolidated reserves report cr appointed by an assurance report from the accounting network. More came in and Apparently all of the tether is they're all of the. usda is there to back it up. So i don't necessarily understand this. Audit is basically the firm that works for them has basically you know. Basically they've come out and said we've audited ourselves in. It's all there. I don't know that pendants investigate ourselves and we found ourselves to be not guilty so we did a full thorough investigation at all and we have found ourselves to be free and clear of any any wrongdoings at all and go about your day. Thank you plebes as you are as you were You know it wasn't But a few let's see. When did we have a s- tani on sunny kulikov from abe this episode four ninety five just a few episodes ave rather. Yes thank you. I could never got their of trabis saw so This is a layer two protocol that is designed on polygon to avoid if theory ridiculous fees. That's what they're gonna be doing. They're building a defy service now on polygon to avoid the The chain fees. That theory is using. yeah and Yes so building on puzzle. Polygon used to be matic. Matic is just changes name to polygon and I guess they wanted to be more shapely. They didn't like how matic made them sound. And so they said. I wanna be a geometric shape. They chose a polycom and So right now. The assets that can be used as collateral on polygon based ave markets include matic. Us dc usd dt die w. e. r. n. w. btc in so it's also becoming a an interesting choice for nfc's because it is that second layer platform that fits on top of the theory him so it does allow those nf ts to cost less from the gas fees and stuff and they've also onboard other projects they the nfc game avi gottschee and there's the polly market which is predicted market game betting platforms decentral game sports x. d. five platform easy fi at blockchain rpg game. Neon district are moved over to Polygon formerly known as matic tried to. You know what they call a An opera gottschee rug poll. That would be an gotcha. Gotcha well done good sir. You know there was a at rem album in the ninety s called automatic for the people. I think yeah. It was good. It had What was the the main song trying to remember what was that one was a shiny happy people. I'm now i'm looking at up to see Man on the moon. Everybody hurts drive. Those were the the primary ones on. There is a great album. It was a great. And i'm thinking that we put a man on the moon. Put those on the moon. Thank you alana's matic should look at. You know making an nf or something. Use that as their branding. Matic for the people. Okay named polygons so that name was gone so they're not matter anymore. Paulie for the for the people. Polywater people back off the rails here. I think it's great that you know basically we. We decided to a podcast. And we're just gonna talk about stuff and just be ourselves and cracks stupid jokes and y'all are here listening in on you know what everyday conversations are like with us. That's show was like originally when we started. We were like did. We're having these conversations a couple times a day just about gripped we should record them like about other people would find them interesting. Because we're just trying to learn and figure it all out and here we are six hundred seventy seven and five hundred episodes later and we're still bad. Were still so bad but we have a few pieces of news that are left for you and a couple of them are very a news ing as a horrible punt There's there's good stuff happening. In the house of representatives. They passed a bill that seeks to legally recognize transactions and registrations made via blockchain smart contracts so smart contracts would be given the same legal status as regular contracts. I think they should be given even better legal status. Because they're they're more accurate right you can't you don't have to rely on. Trust right there built in to the code and so it would seem to me that smart contracts should be First and foremost the most trusted and then followed by you know. I don't even know some of the attorney ones right you. Can you really trust those and the ones at the bottom of the list of trust should be the ones that politicians put together right speaking of politicians. The teletubbies are in the news again. tinky winky and po- posted on stinky winky. Winky winky tinky. Winky and paul came up with these names when because it is hard tinky winky like that is a pet. Oh kind of a name with. I ever heard one or somebody. Somebody was smokey not woke. Smokey jokey yeah. I don't know so are they doing. Nfl what's coming up on a big anniversary of they've been around for a long time. It's an april fools joke. That's all it is that they're issuing their issuing a A token it's actually not in this story This is the one teletubbies hint at becoming the next bitcoin. But if you go to the twitter. And i think it was. They actually got trending because teletubbies are so bizarre always have been that People wanna tommy coyne there. The official tubby teletubbies cryptocurrency made with special hugging technology from wild brain. Labs is here. For every like sharon comment of tubby coin the tubby calling becomes more stable. Wow all right so that's ridiculous. And here's what's not. I think this is not ridiculous. I think this might be public because somebody posted about funk. Oh pop coming to the wax blockchain. You know the little little dolls in the box in there it is. There's a tweet from our friends at token head Were thrilled to announce that we've joined the original funchal family and we'll support functions journey into the nf space on wax. Here is the official announcements. Roller travis. I'm i'm going to copy this into our show notes even though this is specifically. Nfc stuff because we are gonna talk about a couple nafta items in just a moment. here it is. It's a press release funk oh enters and t market with majority stake in token head developer. Oh so that. Nate in the team you know. He alluded to me. Something big was happening but he couldn't tell me that's what the big deal is right there. That is a big deal. What's the big deal. The big deal is funk oh has basically bought token wave which is the token head app. Really yes why. We love those talk. We love those token head guys. Those this we helped inspire the creation of that and the direction of that so so they just got purchased by funk. Oh that's what it says. Here they have acquired a majority ownership stake in in token head so that is fricken fantastic. Couldn't have happened to to nicer guys. And so they're saying there needs to be an app out there that people can display cryptos on easy. That'd be nice especially at the other things. That'd be great and then and then there it is. They they started building. We haven't conversation with them. Amazing -gratulations to them nice. Good job nate. I will be sending you a message before. You hear this recording Because on congratulate you personally on that well done good sir. The wacko system is going to blow up and There are hints at a major major major announcement coming from wax over the next few days. So think it's going to be big league. We'll have to wait and see what What it is. It's going to be huge. Speaking of you One end the recording. This i've already had it in my mind. I'm going to go to lay for lunch. Because i haven't had to pull out of the country and then i found this news. That support lay is running a one hundred thousand dollar. Bitcoin and burrito giveaway and participants in the us can win. Food prices or some crypto. And what they're doing is it's part of the national burrito day. Which is the first thursday of april every year which happens to be april fool's day and they said they did not suggest that it will accept bitcoin Or that it will continue to work within the future. What they are saying is they're giving away this promotion. Because there's this guy a stefan thomas who guys we reference this guy. A couple months back. He lost more than at the time. Three hundred four hundred million dollars in bitcoin because he had a hardware wallet that if you typed in the code wrong ten times it self destructed and he forgot his password in so he doesn't remember what his password is and they don't know if he's going to do it so they sort partnered with him and they're doing this thing that It pays homage to his attempts to recover. Its crypto so each user will have ten attempts to guess a six digit code. If you guessed correctly you will win a prize. There will be three prizes of twenty five thousand dollars in. Bitcoin awarded and fifty prizes of five hundred dollars of bitcoin rewarded. And also there will be ten thousand free burritos given away as less surprises for around ten dollars. I don't know if i you can't eat. Bitcoin folks so i would rather have one of those free tasty burritos speaking of nfl. Tease there was a big tops launch. Was it yesterday. I can't keep track of days. Aim were they. Launched a godzilla sep because the gun was yesterday. Yeah godzilla vs kong is coming out the film. And so tops. Time to do a release they sought now. This is interesting. They did two different packs. Excuse me what they do. Two different packs a small pack. Which i can't remember what the price was ten or twenty dollars and then a large mega pack for a hundred dollars and these were the pre mints. It had thirty cards in it for a hundred dollars. That is the most. I've ever seen anybody charge for a pack on wax per car on track not impact. We did see that one dude sell more on flow. Well well. I mean even there's packs of top show go for a thousand dollars right so but a pack on wax for one hundred dollars but it's not the it's not the total pack price amazed at its the price per card three dollars and thirty three cents per card. Five thousand packs. They sold out in less than five minutes. Wow yeah but there was already. I was finger squinched. Clinching get mine. is it coming. Come on. I need my overpriced bags. But what's crazy is like immediately. They were on the secondary market for like a about fifty percent. Prophets crazy. well they're not the only ones Do in the space. There's also Godzilla vs kong is licensed. Something to terror virtual. So they've got nf they're released do. Those are my boss. Logic to mas logic is created as. Nfc's yeah they're very cool. They're really beautiful. They do definitely cost more and This market is just getting ready to explode a fi. We're so far from over. It's just getting started going to explode or asp blow. Let's get it started in here. Yeah mecca godzilla though. There's all kinds of mecca godzillas. You can buy it. Looks like those are the ones virtual. I noticed there was some other ones from From from boss logic they might be the different ones. I don't know if they're the same partnership but Interesting stuff last piece of news from our friends at electro neom that we have been privileged to be advisory for nice to see their coin at about three and a half cents. It was sub penny for a long time and they keep moving forward. They have announced that shopping. I iso is now officially accepting e. t. n. For all of their their electronic museums to purchase products from amazon walmart in ebay from anywhere in the world. So this this is pretty cool that you can now use your trim to buy stuff. It's all moving forward gang. There's no there's no turning back. Everything is rolling down that hill or up the hill. It might be rolling up the hill because it's his growing so maybe the hills actually the one that's getting bigger. Maybe could just be a big old hill sirloin travis. How about you tell the good fans out there of the show about yield. I guilty you a yael to me. Yeah yes so. Mark as we know markets go up and markets go down. But we're really happy whenever it's a bull run because it's really cruising up and you're seeing you know here few tweets you see if you telegram messages you see a few green candles and then i'll boom it's grip housing exploded. Oh next thing you know. Oh no down. We've lost everything. No it's a dip. Oh no it's a roller coaster what it is. So what if there was a way for you to add interest to your ripta while you're holding it while you're doing it you want to follow your though. So that's what yield not app. Does they allow you to get really fat. Interest rates in a mix of stable coins to protect against this market instability And you can earn up to twenty percents. Apr just by holding funds in your wallet yield dot app but as always we have a see you are l. for you. Bad co dot i n forward slash yield. 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Electric Customers Go To Court Over Last Weeks Power Outage (Feb. 25, 2021)

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Electric Customers Go To Court Over Last Weeks Power Outage (Feb. 25, 2021)

"This programming is brought to you by perr lands lure kirby district located at two eighty eight and beltway. Eight at twelve hundred acre mixed use district offering a business location with a minute sites and infrastructure more at lower kirby dot com sky high electric bills and continued outrage over last week's extended power. Outages are leading some texans to court. I'm craig cohen today on houston matters as texas lawmakers hold hearings. Starting today. We discussed the expensive and litigious fallout from last week. Harris county attorney christian menefee and news eighty eight seven energy reporter. Kyra buckley join us. Also this hour how the winter storm and ensuing outages affected texas farmers and ranchers and the food supply chain texas agriculture secretary. Sit miller's among our guests plus efforts to protect the history and legacy of the harlem of the south and the new film judas in the black messiah digs into the influence of fred hampton and the black panther party. We consider what the movie might say about civil rights activism. Today in this month's the bigger picture will start with the news update from npr news. Eighty eight seven. Stay with us. This is houston matters. I'm craig cohen good morning. Coming up efforts to preserve the history of friedman's town what farmers and ranchers lost last week. And what it means for the food supply and the bigger picture examines the new film about the black panthers and what it has to say about civil rights activism. Today i up a joint. Texas house committee hearing today is the start of lawmakers investigations into what happened to the electrical grid during last week's freeze. But they're not the only ones investigating harris county attorney christian menefee intends to ask county commissioners authority to pursue briefs and other litigation on behalf of harris county residents related to last week's storm and extended power outages. To tell us more we're joined by county attorney menefee. Good morning sir. Is the county attorney on the line with us. Christine menefee there okay. Looks like we don't have Christian menefee with us. That's okay we're gonna move on to news. Eighty eight seven kyra buckley. It is not just elected officials taking steps or contemplating them against the state's electricity producers providers market a chambers county woman charged more than nine thousand dollars for her electricity. Last week is petitioning for a one billion dollar class action lawsuit against a retail. Electricity provider called gritty. To tell us more about that. We're joined now by eight seven energy reporter. Kyra buckley kyra good morning. Good morning craig. Thanks for having me sure. How is it that this area woman received a nine thousand dollar electric bill. Yeah i mean that is outrageous right But it really goes back to. How texas has an extremely complicated electricity market. So as you've probably heard over the last week and a half We have a what's called a deregulated electricity market. So that means that consumers get to go out and choose here in the houston area between forty different electricity retail providers. Lisa corey the woman. Who's bringing the lawsuit against her provider She got her electric electric through a provider called gritty. Now gritties deal is that they charge customers a monthly flat fee and then they just pass on the wholesale price of electricity That the customer uses at the time that they use it. So what happened last week. Is that wholesale price shot way up so if customers had power even for part of the storm last week they were charged as much as nine dollars per kilowatt hour. Normally that's a few cents per kilowatt hour. How many people have received bills with such outsized charges. It's hard to know. Exactly how many folks and people might not know yet because they may not have gotten their bill yet. My understanding is that heading into the storm. Gritty had twenty nine thousand customers in the state and so all of those greedy customers are potentially going to receive these outrageous bills. I mean and it might not be as much as nine thousand dollars. But i've heard from customers that you know. They had their refrigerator plugged in for one day last week and they were charged eighty dollars for one day when normally their monthly bill might be one hundred and fifty bucks you know but on top of that the issue with this is the different plans that people can choose so when you go up to sign up for electricity you can choose a fixed rate plan or a variable rate plan. Most people choose a fixed rate plan but for different reasons they might end up on a variable rate plan and gritties plan that. They're all variable rate plans now market watchers. Tell me that they think about twenty. Five percent to thirty percent of texas customers could be on. Those variable rate plans have other electricity providers forgiven or reduced onerous charges due to these variable rate contracts. You know i've been looking into this and so far i've only heard of one company They're called octopus energy and they're offering a one time bill forgiveness plan. So octopus also does something similar to gritty They offer one of their plans. Based on the wholesale price of electricity. They also offer fixed rate plan but they sent out a notice to their customers. That essentially they're going to adjust last week's is from that nine dollars per kilowatt hour back to about twelve cents per kilowatt hour which is normal for a winter day here in texas. Otherwise you know. I haven't heard of any other forgiveness plans at the moment But a lot of providers seem to be offering flexible or deferred payment plan. I have reached out to a handful of electricity providers in the houston area about what their customers can expect on their next bill. So far i've only heard back from reliant. And what they said is that most of their customers are on that fixed rate plan and won't see any big increases in their next bill. How can customers find out if they have a fixed rate or variable rate contract. If they don't know already yeah. Great question okay. So my understanding. Is that most of the time. It is indicated on your bill. And it's not. You should be able to log into your account online through your electricity provider and it should tell you now. Here's the deal though. I talked to some electricity retail experts. They told me once again. Most people choose that fixed rate plan. But if you don't actively renew your fixed rate contract your company might put you on that variable rate plan where your price that. The variable is the wholesale price of electricity. So if you're concerned about it and you don't know if you're on a fixed rate plan you should contact your electricity provider pretty much today. Is there a way to change that. If you find out you are in a contract that offers variable rates. Yeah you know you can change your electricity provider pretty much any week day. If providers are taking new customers and that was the problem during the storm so companies like gritty actually did let their customers know that the price was going to go away up but they sent out that notice most customers told me they got it on a saturday afternoon and most retail electricity providers. Close up shop by three pm on saturday. So they weren't able to switch ahead of the storm and then companies just were capacity. They weren't taking more customers and some still aren't but if you're on that variable rate plan and you are able to find a new provider you can switch this moment as long as the retail provider is open They should be able to help you switch to a fixed rate contract again though. I guess we should stress that if you're in the midst of a contract with a certain term and you switch to a different provider without moving or having some other reason to do so there could be some fee some not insignificant charge associated with that. Switch right you know i. I'm actually not sure i so. I live in an apartment where my utilities are actually included in my rent so that okay i need to walk through with you one of these days the crazy spreadsheet that i do every time i'm closing in on a new contract because it's the fine print the details the potential fees and charges that you can you can find yourself dealing with reading carefully. Let me tell you you are not alone. I have heard from a lot of frustrated people and this again goes back to the fact that texas has a really confusing system. So you know again if you're like a the places the communities i've lived in the past. There's one electricity provider and it's either a publicly owned utility or it's a company. That's heavily regulated. This is in other states. I've lived in colorado and oregon And so it's not very complicated. You move into a new apartment. You call up the utilities and you put up here in houston. It is the consumer has to do a lot of research. And that's why. I you have folks like you craig that have spreadsheets to try and figure out the best plan Because it really is complicated so if you feel like you're going crazy trying to figure this out. Please know that you are not alone. This is confusing cairo. Buckley covers energy for news. Eighty eight seven. I should also point out that even as she was without power or heat just like the rest of us. There was kyra anchoring newscasts and reporting from frigid home last week. Keeping us all informed kyra thank you for that and thanks for talking with us this morning. It was my pleasure. Thanks greg and joining us now. Is harris county attorney christian. Metaph is i mentioned. He intends to ask county commissioners for authority to pursue briefs and other litigation on behalf of harris county related to last week's storm and extended power outages. Good morning county attorney. Menefee good morning. I'm happy to be here. What exactly are you asking. Commissioner's court to allow you to do here. The first is working in an investigation in order to determine what happened. Who makes which decisions. And whether this power vassar could have been avoided or mitigated and the second part of it is. We're acting commissioner court to based on the results of that investigation allow us to be involved in litigation whether it be other cases that are out there or initiating case on behalf of harris county. What is within your purview to. Well one thing we know. In this instances that there was damage to various buildings throughout harris county as a result of the decisions that were made whether it be in austin or as part of the industry participant that lead to damage of harris county property. So that's one avenue that we're investigating but we're seeing. This also brought lynn. There are people who were harmed in may have claims against the folks responsible for this a part of our duty as chief civil legal office for the county is to go in and investigate and determine what happened and let the public make a vet what they will as. I'm sure you're aware one of the agenda. Items commissioner's court will take up. Tomorrow is the suggestion from county. Commissioner adrian garcia that harris county considered withdrawing from the texas electric grid the commissioners asks you to look into what power commissioners have to do that. Have you looked into that yet. We have not yet but we definitely plan to. It's an incredibly complex issue. As you know there are two major interconnects and this country for power grids of irc on. The question is going to be whether houston could tap into the eastern incorrect. And that's going to be a question of whether under state law Harris county or other counties or able to innocence. Unplug from the grid and then plug into another one. I've seen some experts who have talked about how it's way more complex and simply unplugging from one grade and plugging into another. We'll be looking at it through illegal to determine whether harris county has discretion. But i think one important thing about commissioner darcy is agenda item is it starts the conversation about the broad range of solutions that we should be looking at to ensure that harris county panties never put in this position again. Terrorists county attorney christine menefee. Thank you very much. Thank you for having me later in the hour. How last week's outages impacted farmers and ranchers up next efforts to protect the history and legacy of the harlem of the south stick around as houston matters. Continues this is houston matters. I'm craig cohen. We hear a lot about houston's third ward and houston's fifth ward we don't frankly hear as much about the fourth ward despite its rich history fourth ward of course inside the loop just west of downtown and also the site of friedman's town houston's oldest african american neighborhood which was once recognized as the harlem of the south a cultural and artistic hub. You may remember over the years. We've talked about efforts to preserve elements of friedman's town quite a lot of debate over the fate of thousands of bricks laid by ex slaves at friedmans down as far back as the eighteen sixties. Now a local organization is working to preserve the history of friedman's town and restore the area here to tell us more zion escobar executive director of the houston friedman's town. Conservancy zion welcome to houston matters. Hi craig thanks for having me glad to have you with us. And as we chat about the past present and future of friedman's town and fourth ward we. Welcome your questions and comments at seven one. Three four four zero eight thousand eight hundred seventy or talk at houston matters dot org. Why is friedman's town and fourth ward so historically significant for houston as you mentioned freetown's and forth worth it was established by vacillated slaves in eighteen sixty five shortly after gene team announced it weekly to prominence and as you mentioned it was referred to as harlem the south of this district produced four hundred businesses many black prominent Position ministers jazz musicians and attorneys and out one notable person that may strike ring. A bell for folks is The author and personal secretaries were booker. T. washington for new eighteen years with image as scott and he was born in friedman's town all took t washington schools all across the country. This guy is right. Hand man was images got he was from town and until the mid nineteen thirties. This place was incredible. You know ninety five percent black owned businesses in houston and it's just incredible jewel for the city of houston. I mentioned the bricks They were treated during storm. Drain work a few years. Back was a point of a lot of contention out after to tell you that what. What is the status of that brickwork today is it still under threat from other projects you know. It does currently It it is at risk and we ever conservancy We as a community are actively working to restore those bricks and their plans in the works right now. In collaboration go about repairing that damage. What are some other existing remnants of free friedman's towns early say decades right so as of now you can actually come to town. There are five locations that have been designated as type of memory associated mesko slave route project. So you can go to antioch missionary baptist church which has been there for more than a hundred years right which was built five. These formerly enslaved person. You can go to african american library which you see the birth school for free. Black children into art him There's so many different places of importance That are still there and we encourage everyone to come to check. That out is living history. You mentioned that it was really a bustling area even in the nineteen thirties. Are there any buildings businesses. Anything that you would point to and say. That's that directly connects to that particular era. The nineteen thirties. Not so much. We have That are historic homes to that category and they will become House museums complement of the gates and their projects restore several Half dozen homes back. That can tell that story you inside and bring you experience but The he's items. These artifacts are very very historic going back to nineteen fourteen eighteen ninety and things like that. So there's a broad spectrum of history there for you to experience this is houston matters. I'm craig cohen. We're talking with zion escobar from the houston friedman's town conservancy about the past present and future of friedman's town and fourth ward. We welcome your questions and comments at talk at houston matters dot org or seven one three four four zero eight seventy what. Other restoration and preservation efforts have been made in the neighborhood over the years. So there's been there's been quite a bit of work to Back back in the day you know to get It as a federal historic history right. Now we're moving forward with heating yet designated as houston spurs. Potentially characters district heard about third ward and fifth ward. coming art and cultural districts. This would be houston. I heritage district the working on that. We are aiming like an like an olympic Qualifiers we are aning. He earned the designation for world heritage by to get global recognition for all the town and we have been winks ause if that is very possible. So that is in our future as well The anticipation national historic trail which is now a public law will go fifty miles from galveston up to friedman's town with freedom. How being the crown jewel of that Long and and awesome trail that experience. And so that's coming to the community. Wow do you have plans to do anything else. That will be new. But highlight what is old and history and influence of of this neighborhood absolutely so in addition to physical preservation. We're working towards digital preservation. And so we enter into an agreement with rice university. among many others to create an atlas a friedman's now that will serve as a digital education tool would story that spanned from eighteen sixty five to twenty twenty and it will continue to evolve and we received funding for an augmented reality tourism. At the telling us store your freedom app that will allow local and your tourists to embark on self guided tours historic district and really uncovering an interactive and visually. Immersive way. All the things you want to know and you can do all those things from a hub. That's actually developed at. That will be the free town visitor's center and so that's really going to be ground zero for every experience. You're gonna have freedom pound going forward and you can think of project. We're health is on steroids eventually at this point. Is this all just like these are ideas in the works or is this something you have funding for and into a timeline to to actually make amp funding that several almost all the ones that i mentioned so far are already funded and of course we're fundraising for the build out of the visitor center. So that's an ongoing project which we intend to continue to pursue and if the joint project with many different partners I'll just i mentioned to. You are currently and in the work. They're there a year. Two years away from being actualized. How much of a challenge is it to develop a historically significant neighborhood like this in a responsible way that preserves its history and identity and architecture for that matter while still allowing for housing in new businesses and and everything else that you would want for neighborhood to thrive. It is a challenge. I'll be one hundred percent honest with you today. Challenge it's uphill both ways Frankly but what we have right now to have Residents where becoming increasingly aware through efforts like this to help people understand the importance of this place. And so it's becoming easier easier. The more people are having a dialogue about our history about houston history and so things are starting to unfold and people are coming on board to help with the protections to sign up. Residents are signing up to be part of historic districts We are working with the planning department to allow the great plan to have development that sensitive to its history And so those are all things doing behind the scene as far as policy and zion guideline recommendations and things like that. The preservation plan for the community. So all of these things are possible. You have to be bearing meticulous and we are being meticulous and you have to have a community onboard and with you and so that is what we are doing know. We've talked a lot over. The years. About gentrification in how well intentioned development can sometimes push longtime residents out and create as much or more hardship as it does benefit i it sounds like we're uc establishing cultural and arts and historical connections to the fourth words past as a means to avoid that. Absolutely absolutely so you know obviously fourth ward nigger example of what happens when you know. Gentrification goes completely unchecked right but there is a path to correct horse. And if you double down on the fact that it is historic and it has thousand. You don't increase property value. Push people out provide incentives financial incentives and preservation incentive to keep people in place to help maintain he's historic home because this place is a destination and so that's what we're assisting with as a conservative to ensure that there is a pipeline of funding and awareness partners to help facilitate keeping this thing on track because it takes all hands on deck to do something so Enormous to be honest with you. Zion escobar is executive director of the houston. Friedman's town conservancy zion. Thanks for talking with us. Absolutely thank you so much for having me later in the hour. What a new film about an old civil rights movement says about activism today. I though how last week's winter storm affected texas farmers and ranchers and the food supply chain. And what it means for all of us stay with us is houston matters continues. This is houston matters. I'm craig cohen. Last week's winter storm took a toll on texas ranchers and farmers leading to concerns about prolonged impacts on the food supply. Chain here to talk about it with us is professor. Darren hudson from texas tech university's college of agricultural science and natural resources and texas agriculture commissioner. Sid miller professor hudson commissioner miller. Good morning welcome to houston matters. Good morning thank you very much. Commissioner miller let me start with you. What have you heard over the last week. From farmers and ranchers across texas about the impact those prolonged outages had on their farms and ranches. Well are not part of our state was not touched by this parable blizzard down in the very started bottom of and get to work your way up that in the bali sixty s We lost all the oranges that were on the trees hundred percent. Loss there. Sixty percent of the grapefruit About fifty percent of our cabbages was ready for harvest on along with about fifty percent of the onions. All across south texas hill country down. There's a lot of ratcheted that have exotic Game on them all of these species from from african species. There's just thousands and thousands of the pros. There are awful so a lot of dollars. They're going up all the way up high plains. A lot of our very production has The male clinic shut down power natural gas so we poured out fourteen million hours of milk. you're in this so we're finally got gas yesterday so they're back up and running again. The store shelves soon be stock. Back up. the same thing happened to our poultry. Farmers lot of those Poultry houses fell in may lost power. Backup power natural gas. You know ran out so little chicks can get. He froze to death at a lot of eggs in incubator. Cook there for them. So they're not gonna hack so anyway. We're bringing eggs and milk and dairy products from other states and opening a few days. We'll have our. We re start. Professor hudson the commissioner there mentioned fruits and vegetables exotic game dairy and poultry. What products took the biggest hit. Would you say well. I mean i think financially the citrus industry. You know probably somewhere. The range of three hundred four hundred million dollars losses. The dairy industry obviously is going to be a big one Still counting up. What was lost And you know a couple of the other livestock. industries are probably gonna see if not immediate loss of in terms of death loss in productivity You lost weight. Gain things like that that are going to impact a marketable value even if they made it through the storm. Commissioner miller seems like potentially we're talking about short term and long term challenges in in the short term. It was hard to move products from farms and ranches to factories to distributors to stores. That supply chain a stopped in some cases has been a little slow to start but the long term that may be the bigger issue carefully for as you mentioned fruits and vegetables and poultry and dairy some of these farms in some cases. We're talking about things where it's like. Entire crops potentially frozen destroyed How much of a long term impact might be for individual farmers and ranchers well. I think you'll see a lot of our citrus farmers down there in the valley of probably just hang it up. You know not only. Did they crop but they pros the buds blooms on those trees and damaged the trees. They've lost next year's crop You know it's going to take seven to eight years to replace those trees. They lost down there Sad part in in the dairy business talking to one dairyman. They've four years. The heat is always cows for the optimum salom. You know He had frostbite on others. those cows froze so mail. So just you know the only thing left to do is you know. Make excellent made his entire heard. That's how cold it. God so a lot of the they're going to probably go out of business with some of these guys in the pope business might not make it You know the the good news is we had our largest packing plants and cactus texas and the very top of the panhandle They're actually not in madrid like never lost power though to their production slowed down because employees had trouble getting back and forth to work. And you know getting loaded the capital every day rakes ever shut down so that that was one bright spot that we have our largest packing. Jbs state open able to continue the process. Be professor hudson. What should we watch for in in the coming days. I suppose in maybe weeks as we get a clearer handle on just how disruptive this has all been not just obviously most clearly to those those farmers but also to the food supply chain itself. Well i think going forward. We need to be conscious of Yeah the short run impact versus long right back. We're going to see and have seen disruptions I think those are going to be Work themselves out fairly quickly But as commissioner miller mentioned you know some of these crops that we're seeing are going to sort of adversely impact the food supply chains. You know maybe for years Because of the lack of or the time it takes jeevan eight those orchards. So they you know it's gonna be a mixed back The food supply chain is good as as the classrooms. If you know we we were easily able to bring in stuff from out of state as soon as the roads get got better and we were able to address some of those. But it's gonna take some time. I think people again you know. It's like code. They don't panic There's gonna be some things that we don't see As readily or that are more expensive than we're in the past but the food is going to be there Agriculture city resilient and You know that. We'll get through this commissioner millard. You anticipate that. Texans will by and large to rely a bit more on out of state Citrus products in particular. But maybe some other some some other products over the course of the next few years. Well there's no doubt about years he the citrus industry overcome that We don't know the damage You know the other tree crops know cons. We don't know just how how the right binds you know whether we don't know if we're gonna have a great crop or not those You know depending on what part of the state in Some long long term effects. Unfortunately what's your message then to texas ranchers and farmers and to consumers as well about what we may learn in the coming weeks about all of that. Well you know the us us farmers out here. We're ready we're going off or durham and they've backup generators we you know. We saw it coming so most of us at my had are diesel. Tanks field and propane tanks fill we decked antifreeze the tractor tires and the radiator and had blocking most of us out here in the country have the fireplace wood stove and a couple of kerosene lantern for the problem. Came was in the processing facilities when those middle class went down. The juice plants went down to the citrus. Packing plants went down you know. Our products backed up and farmers started receiving record low process. You can't get lower pricing zero dumping your milk out and then of course we see you know high prices for consumers. That's on the onset of this. I'll put out red alert. Sent sent a letter to the governor's saying you know we need to move these Agriculture processors up the last get him on critical infrastructure. We can't cut power off. Doing we're going to run out of food on grocery shelves if we do and Of course we didn't get a moved up and that's exactly what happened. We ran out of food. We're we're working real hard. Still have food banks to get them resupplied ahead of time. We work real hard and got his much supplies and twenty one area food banks is. We could clued into one big when they're in houston But you know we had all the mail shutdown so we ran out of feed areas. We're not the chicken and ran out of feed. So we're we're had my people out hustling trying to bring feed in from out of state find. Hey you know things like that. A lot of things that the normal person just doesn't think about is what was happening out here in agricultural world rough times Sid miller is the texas agriculture. Commissioner darren hudson is a professor at texas tech university's college of agricultural science and natural resources. Commissioner miller professor hudson. Thank you both very much for joining us. We appreciate it thank you. God bless still to come. The legacy of fred hampton and the black panthers reverberations in civil rights activism today. It's the subject of a new film and this month's installment of the bigger picture stay with us houston matters. Continues the new film judas in the black messiah now in theaters and on. Hbo max tells the complicated story about illinois black panther party chairman fred hampton. And william. O'neil the fbi informant who infiltrated the group and was ultimately involved in hamptons killing. This month's edition of the bigger picture houston matters. Josh was in explores the legacies of hampton and the black panthers and reverberations in the current fight for civil rights within the black lives matter movement is too so hatred and inspire terror carried arlington arts editor and movie critic at the houston chronicle in joshua's in producer for houston matters so carrie. We're going to talk about the new film. Judas in the black messiah which is about. Fred hampton the former chairman of the show chapter of the panther party as well as william. O'neil the fbi informant. Who basically infiltrates the party and works With the fbi to inform on hamptons activities and the activities of the party. And of course all of this leads up to the big climactic moment of hampton's death at the hands of the fbi and so it's a pretty interesting powerful film. What did you think of it. What were some of your thoughts on it. Well i mean a couple of things. One is just as a film which is very well made very well together. It's kind of hard to believe that shock kings. It's only a second feature film in two thousand thirteen calm newly weeds. Which i never saw i heard was pretty good. I think was nominated for an audience award at sundance But this is obviously a step above a small indie film so just on a technical level. You know it's well put together. The acting is great. Daniela and lakeith stanfield. Both you know they they just keep going from strength strand saw on that level just on a technical level. It is by impressive because the cabinet had one goal and explained to people he can have on a three piece suit or the seeking political doesn't flow from asleep cheeky political over the barrel go but it's also impressive. In terms of the story. It tells a few years ago probably a movie. Life is. I mean there have been movies about black radicals in the sixties in the past obviously malcolm x. spike lee's film. There's documentaries and there was a mario van peebles movie panther in the mid nineties. I believe but a lot of those flirts more geared for more specialty audience more india audience. This is geared for a very broad audience as a fairly you know for a mainstream movie as fairly sort of radical message. Yeah yeah when. I wanted to talk about that. I think that's that's one of the interesting things about this film and about the time that we're in is telling these types of stories in in would would you say like is it is it because there's a lot more talk about the civil rights issues in the black culture. I mean just. Because that's kind of come to the forefront with black lives matter movement is that what spurred this or are there other cultural things happening that have kind of made a movie like this Capable of working for a general audience I think that's part of it. I think it's just. I think there's a general interest now in that in that era in general You know beyond just the black panthers. Trial is chicago seven. There's the mlk fbi documentary which also touches on some of the same things about government spying on them. You know black radicals or black activists. I should say In the sixties and seventies broader interesting period as well digging a little deeper into the film itself. I think it's interesting that we get the perspective of these two characters. We get hampton who is deeply part of the black panther identity. And you've got o'neill who is on the outside you know he. He's the guy that gets picked up on Impersonating a federal officer in some grand theft auto charges. Things like that. So i'm curious about what you took away from the message of the film and in what the film is trying to say. Well i think the most fascinating things about as watching Keith stanfield character. Williams sort of go through that you know at first. He's just doing it for the money or actors doing standard jail and then for the money but then he sort of see him. Start to believe some of the things that you know. Fred is talking about him with the panthers are talking about. You see that conflict in the character. And i think keith. This great sort of join showing that conflict. Dan pantano move you sure about that. I mean some critics have said it should be more about. Fred hampton more about About leuke character by like the fact that you see both of them the kind of on this sort of road on this collision. You know it's coming but how they get theirs is fascinating. And that's what. I thought was more interesting things about it. Yeah i wanted to talk about the the two actors the kind of the star power of columbia who. I think you know really broke out with get out right like that. Feels like his first really big break and and where he became star in. Stanfield has been interesting. And i've i've been very interested in following his career in in. I've anytime he's in a movie. I'm just i kind of like perk up and say oh i want to check that out. He's one of those actors. Would have you seen sort of from their careers going from maybe the the get out era. You know both of them were in that movie as well and up to now and kind of how their trajectory has has gone as actors. I mean look at atlanta which you got a lot of exposure from that absolutely and i i saw daniel kalou in actually end sicario the first ikaria movie yet a supporting role matt and then he was also fantastic and widows which not allow people saw but yes terrowi- coming in that movie to if you like him judas the black messiah definitely go back and watch him in widows So i think the you know they both have definitely been on the rise about the same time you know the mid you know. Twenty fifteen or so So i don't know if one is naturally got more exposure than the other. I think there was sort of about equal Look at atlanta which is extremely popular show will air any other final thoughts on on the film and just kind of you know any any prospects for the future for any of the stars or even the director shock king. Would you like to see next. Oh well i think shocking. King sort of interesting that ryan kugler. Who did black panther produced it because he went from indies fruitvale station to create a huge in a black panther. I think probably saw a similar sort of a path for a king who went from a small moving deletes and now he's obviously doing bigger bigger films albeit definitely just to see what what he does and someone we didn't mention was dominate fischbach. Replace deborah johnson was for hamptons girlfriend. I thought she was quite good as well. She's been another things like the deuce and they hate you give But now. I think she's a lot of a lot of people's radar. Now i think considerations you have to make you get to go up there talk about donna. Revolutionary death and how your your body belong to the revolution because you'd have person grown as divine so given that this film takes place over fifty years ago. Obviously a lot has changed since then in this country and so i was interested to talk with activist about some of the things that are different and some of the things that haven't changed quite so much. My name is brandon. Mac pronounce his. I'm an activist and organizer with black lives matter houston and have been an activist in houston community for the past fifteen years. All right so you've been in the game for awhile. I it seems and have seen a lot. Well that's great. I'm glad i'm able to talk to you about this. Because the issues that have sort of come up around activism around civil rights and particularly for the black community have have really kind of kind of come to the forefront again and so starting off kind of looking back at the era of the black panther party for someone in your position as an activist. Now how do you look back at an organization like the panthers. What were you know. What's the legacy of that organization looking at it now in the year. Twenty twenty one. So i think is very important that we do look back because many of those organizations such as the black panther party created the blueprint for what we see now in today's movement so the black panther party was about self empowerment so they were doing Free breakfast programs. They were doing educating black youth. They were doing everything to build in an infrastructure. Where the black community could be self reliant in a very similar way. You're seeing that today. With the black lives matter boob at the movement for black lives and various other organizations that are providing mutual aid to make sure that the black community is always supported. Also we've seen the blueprint made by organizations such as the student nonviolent coordinating committee or snick and other organizations of the early civil rights movement in how we approach electoral policy the way that we approach protesting and marching. So that's why it's so important that we do pay homage and we learn from the lessons of the early civil rights movement. And you still see it today. In the contemporary civil rights movement. Yeah for sure and in this movement. I mean it's been active for such a long time now. I mean over half a century at this point so within that time. How have we seen the conversation about civil rights evolve. You know what what things are different now. And what things do you feel like are still the same. The problem is still the saying that. The united states of america has a fundamental problem with the devaluation of black life. We have not treated black lives equally because that is inherent in this country in the way that we started always have to remind people that if you look back to our constitution. Black people were not given the rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We were considered to be property. It was only over time that we've been given person hood and even when we have person hood we're still not giving the same access to those rights equally. Which is the reason why you had the jim crow era where we were still being prevented from having access to the ballot box and we were still being disenfranchised documents in the same access to educational opportunities to employment opportunities. And you're still seeing that same evaluation today with the disproportionate amount of people who were incarcerated being black and brown. So you're seeing black. People being criminalised and then the trickle effect of that continuing on charge of making it harder to gain housing harder to gain access to educational opportunities harder to gain employment and then even with corona virus were seeing disproportionate amounts of coronavirus impacting. The black community. What we're seeing now. That is a little different. In terms of the movement is the tools that are are of access to the movement so social media has definitely given us a great tool that we're able to use to put out our own narratives to put out what is going on on the ground to a wider net. So that everyone is aware of it and is not filtered through media. That is not of our own control. We have more outlets at our black centered so that way it is a direct message coming from the voices of black people and not being filtered down through the voices of other people speaking on our behalf. You said an interesting word that you said narratives in. That's actually something. I was thinking about before we had. This conversation was the role. That narratives play in this history. I'm and i think a an interesting example that i thought of talking about this in relation to the film judas in the black messiah which is about the the death of fred hampton and in that case when when they first unit went to trial about it the jury ruled that it was a justifiable homicide. But now you know it seems overwhelmingly people consider this to be an assassination of fred hampton. And so you talked about narratives. And i think that's a perfect example of how the narrative was so different back then compared to what we look at now and and i wanted to explore that a little more in about this idea of the sheer fact of getting to the truth of the matter is kind of the the roadblock sometimes right absolutely because for example fred hampton was considered to be negative because he asserted himself he asserted his blackness. He centered black people in his activism and the fbi and the government viewed him as being negative so he unfortunately didn't have access to a social media platform to where he could be able to talk specifically about what he is doing. He had his voice. He had the elements that the black panther party did use to out their own narrative. But it wasn't in a wider net. The in which they had the most control so now the fact that we have more control of that ability were able to put our stories out there to where there are multiple narratives instead of just one central narrative that people only buy into and only look and generally that narrative is not going to be in the control of black people. And so therefore is gonna be in the control of someone who's going to look at black people as oh we have this history of you not being humid. We're going to continue to do that because we don't want to dismantle this system i mean the number one thing that i think is important to remember about hampton he wanted to dismantle this system. He wanted the system to be more equitable especially for black people. The way that he went about doing it was for me. A rainbow coalition to where multiple people from different identities. Were seeing their collective impact in this system to see that. Multiple of us are disenfranchised and that can be very dangerous to people especially if they want to maintain the status quo because they maintain their power. How then do you dismantle the system. I guess is is. Is that of the big question right. So first and foremost it takes a deliberate and intentional. Act in order to do that and is going to have to come from multiple actors so as far as me my personal position. Is that what. I am trying to do through the work that i do with black lives. Matter is to make sure that the black community is okay that we have the resources that we had the support that we need to be sufficient and to be self sustaining and then working in that rainbow coalition style with other communities that are also marginalized to make sure that we're also attacking the same issues that we all face as people within the united states. So that means addressing food insecurity it educational inequalities the health inequities and making sure that we're collectively working on that because we as marginalized people face those same similar issues because our lives are fundamentally devalued as far as racism. Racism is a problem that white people created so therefore it is incumbent upon white individuals to intentionally educate themselves and take the intentional steps to dismantle these systems in coordination and in concert with marginalized people we heard from black lives matter houston organizer brandon mac houston chronicle film critic cary darling they spoke with houston matters. Joshua was in. and that'll do it for today's show. The houston matters. Team includes michael hegarty. Joshua's in brenda ruiz's and troy schultz. David pitman's our technical director later today on town square earning news. We'll talk with state representative ron reynolds as the texas house begins hearings into last week's massive power outages. That's at three o'clock today on news. Ninety eight seven on tomorrow's show we've heard from the experts about investigations and lawsuits related to last week's events. But what about the non expert opinions. We seek those out as we do. Every friday on the good the bad and the ugly also celebrating fifty years of the rothko chapel. I'm craig cohen join us tomorrow for those and other houston matters.

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REShow: Jayson Stark and Shemar Moore. Hour 2 (09-26-18)

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"Rich Eisen on demand, your show your schedule, fifteen minutes after ball dot com. Check out the casts at richeisenshow dot com. Welcome to our number two of the rich Eisen show. We are on the air. You missed our number one. You missed Adam gates of the Miami Dolphins here on the show, and he waited till the very end a parting shot from Adam gays. He did. He watches NFL game day morning. So should you ninety m eastern on NFL network every single Sunday get you ready for the games? He saw that he thought I hadn't chosen the dolphins at all this year. That's not true. Joe's them week one last couple of weeks. I miss fire. Any e- pointed that out. I said you to choose you this week, then he said, absolutely not. He wants me to keep missing. So there's a big game for them. This weekend with the patriots are poke question. Go ahead, Chris Brockman top of hour number to refresh it for our listening and viewing audience. Yeah, we're looking at three and teams. There's three of them right now, Kansas City Chiefs. Miami Dolphins LA Rams which of these will be undefeated the longest who stays zero in that loss calm the longest right now. And you guys say the LA Rams fifty, nine percent all my gosh. Okay. Tomorrow night to take it on the Vikings. Over in twenty four tomorrow easily. And so that's the NFL world and eight, four, four, two, four, riches the number to dial on that in the baseball world just turning baseball real quick before Jason start joins us. The Blue Jays a press conference set for right now, as a matter of fact and appears that they are firing John Gibbons, their manager right now. It's interesting. I think they've called up lag Guerrero's kid just to do that. They've been waiting all year long. He should've been playing believable and then in the National League, it's unbelievable what's going on right now. Okay. So the cubs have a half game lead in the central over the brewers who have won three in a row beating up on the cardinals who are now a half game behind Colorado. In the wildcard, grace. Colorado is a half game behind the dodgers in the NO west race. It is entirely possible. The following happens. Just just bear with me and then we'll get to Jason's stark here before Shomar more. By the way of swat on CBS joins us. If the Chicago Cubs lose their final five games, two at home to the Pittsburgh Pirates in three at home to the Saint Louis cardinals. If the Atlanta Braves go two and three in their remaining games, they are at the Mets over the next two nights and then at Philadelphia over the weekend. If the dodgers go three and one over there game tonight at Arizona and their final three at San Francisco. If Milwaukee goes, Owen four loses tonight to Saint Louis and then get swept somehow at home by Detroit. And if Colorado goes foreign one with their two games against Philadelphia and three games at home against Washington, and if Saint Louis sweeps out beating the walkie tonight and sweeps the cubs. Which would be part of the cubs going on five to finish the season. That would be a six way, tie the National League at ninety one and seventy one. I know it's kinda dumb and dumber. You're saying there's a chance, but there is what in the world would happen. Then MLB networks and the athletics Jayson stark here on the rich Eisen show. How are you? Jason, rich. I'm good. Rudy for chaos has always that's. I mean, that's not out of the realm, right? I mean, that's not totally crazy. Obviously, the cops having to lose out, they've already lost tuner. That would be a seven game losing streak for them to finish out the season. But I mean, I would say it's it's all unlikely, but you know one of these years, something like this half to happen. We've never even had a three way tie since they went to the division system. So one of these years we're going to have this madness and that's an area that you just described would be a problem. You know why? Because major league baseball does not have a six way. Tie-break tiebreaker don't have one. Well, they'd have to figure out what head to head would kick people out until they get to a manageable number and then play certain mounts of elimination games. Right. I'm assuming because of what you're describing, you know, you'd have ties for two divisions so you would have to play off for the divisions. And so that means you know, the dodgers Rockies would have to pay play head to head. Then there's a three way tiebreaker formula to decide how a, you know a division tie that I'm assuming would have to go into effect for cubs brewers cardinals. That would take a couple of days once the smoke cleared, then you'd have the wild card thing settled. Got it. Anki and the as would play for for all some marbles in between there for the American League might have to play to play every night to the national, get it figured out what is what is going through the minds in Boston right now. I know Houston, just wrapped up the AL west. They have a hundred win seasons back to back for the first time in their franchise's history, but what's going through the minds of a Red Sox team that has absolutely surprised by how how successful they have been all year long. And it looks like then they're going to have to play a five game series against either the as or their their hated rivals from New York City. Jason. Well, the whole AL half draws going to be epic epic, three hundred win teams, and you know, potentially or the don't get any other team with the best record in baseball since the middle of June and the Red Sox, the best team, Dave earned that. You've been New England once twice you. There's a rounded by people who have figured out everything that could possibly go wrong. Chris sale isn't ready. He loses game one, and they've got to turn to David price. Never wanna post-season start. If Chris sale loses game one, it's panic in the streets throughout New England. I don't think there's any doubt about that, but they're the best team. Are they the favorite? I don't know, but they're the best team. And when it comes down to it, they JD Martinez and the in the crucible of the play offs in Boston. We'll see how that all goes down and and obviously Houston's been there and done that. Do you believe Boston is the best team though you called epic? Are they are when you, if you had to put your marker on somebody, who do you put it on Jason start? I, I think that the most complete team, if healthy would be the Astros and yet I've had people tell me that the winner of Astros. Indians the series I'll be covering is gonna win the World Series because the Indians are incredibly dangerous. I mean their top three offense in the game with a great rotation. And you know questions about whether the bullpen has got itself straightened out, but you know, October affords a lot more rest than the regular season and that plays into their hands. They've got a great manager. It's I, I don't know anybody who's got a good feel for who's going to win, especially over the American League then in the nationally who's the best team. I mean, if you had to put your marker on a team in the NFL out of all these teams out there, who would it be? I the the dodgers are the deepest team had a game the other day where they have five guys in their bench who had twenty dollars this year. It's just their bench is better than some teams lineups and you know, depth helps revive the season, whether. Depth helps you win. The World Series is all know the story. But I think if you look at the entire nationally field, there's so many flaws in every team. The dodgers had the fewest flaws, so I would pick them, but then my picking dodgers Astra's World Series rematch that never happened. I know I gotta get there. It just seems that they can't get on track every single time you think they're in and then they're rolling. Like last year something happens. Right. And you know what? I am telling my dodger friends around here and it's kind of heresy form. Unlike either Seger is gonna have to learn another position or Turner's gone because I don't think they're letting Manny Machado walkout here. Certainly if they make the playoffs and see what this young man can do, he is dynamite. What do you think. I actually don't think that many winds up back in LA really possible. But Justin Turner is so important that team I know is Sears. So important of that team. The left side of their infield is probably the most settled part of their team, unless course figures got long-term issues and he's not going to be able to throw the ball across the diamond that would change everything. You know, one of the dodgers people said to me, they made that trade. When I asked about this very thing, we don't do this. You know, we don't. We don't do the eight year ten year contract at two hundred, three hundred, four hundred million dollars. And I really think that Manny Machado is gonna wind up with the team that puts the biggest pile of money in front of them. I, I just don't think that's going to be the dodgers look. I he so good man. I mean, like I don't know how you let somebody that. Good walk. Certainly if they make the playoffs, I think he's going to have an incredible October. And if he's a difference maker for them when it all online at you, what with the dodgers the last few years, even last year in the in the playoffs getting to game seven, just getting scratching out run sometimes for them with so difficult. I, I don't know I for again, you're, you're, you're the inside are obviously with the the athletes in MLB network. Just strikes me that. That'll be tough to let him walk if he has an incredible October. Right. I think it's a different climate different front office. And back in the days of the last Manny, right. When you know after Manny Ramirez did what he did in two thousand eight, there were just so much sentiment and so much emotion that they had to bring him back. I don't think this front office makes them motion decis. And so if if Manny Machado is to return, it's a baseball vision. If a financial decision, it would be really contingent on how many years and dollars the investment would have to be this is I wouldn't say they're cold blooded, but they're not going to get caught up in the sentiment even if the sentiment follows them winning the World Series stays stark MLB network here on the rich Eisen show just whip through it. You're AL MVP young and same for the National League. What do you have? You know, this is one of those years where there's almost nothing that's cut and dry cut and dried going to a I I think Mukhi beds is the AL MVP barely over my trout. The the Cy Young debate is fascinating because Justin Verlander is numbers with incredible volume with a lot more volume. One hundred thirty four more. Hitters than Blake smell like Snell makes. A fascinating debate, but I think that Blake Snell is going to win and should win. The only two starting pitchers in the who had a lower ERA than he has. And he's at one nine. Oh, Pedro, Martinez and Ron Guidry during the day. And that's gonna. That's ways me in l. Jacob degrom should win the Cy Young wins aside and I'm agonizing over NL MVP I've com. It's posting on have what today on which I pick havi bias, but admit that I'm voter. I could still change my mind any. What happens is we would it be. Would it be him? He's so good. Bye. As or yelich is what I'm down to. And Christian yelich has made an incredible case. And even an incredible case this week, the the final week of the season narrative can sway this vote. I don't think there's any question I, I would guess chrisny else is going to win this wanted to make the point that. We, we think the cubs is star studded team. But in truth, the brewers edition players this year have been much better than the cups and the cubs have needed everything that havi bias has done offense of -ly defensively on the basis, the energy jolt every night it, but it's really a fun debate. I mean, in terms of I agree with you last week should matter. I mean, certainly if divisions on the line and playoffs are on the line yelich with a bases, clearing triple in Lewis. Okay. In Saint Louis, that is that when when he landed on third last night, I'm like, that's the definition of value right there. That is that was a most valuable hit for the brewers. I know you can't boil it down to one at bat, but when you're boiling down to push coming to shove, I don't know. Maybe that's it. I voted on this stuff in any times and the west impression is a powerful impression that isn't right. It didn't fare, I'm not sure why it is. It's human nature and there's so much on the line this week. You know, the cubs have led the brewers and had the best record in the league since the all-star break. And if. The brewers overtake them in the final week and Christian yelich has this kind of weak in this kind of second half. 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Check out the producers guide every Thursday on podcast one or wherever you get your favorite podcasts. All right. Welcome back to the rich Eisen show not just to our viewers and listeners, but to the man to my right season. Two of swat premiering tomorrow night, Thursday on CBS at ten eastern time, loved his work for all those years in criminal minds in a fabulous alum of the young and the restless Chamara more good to see you. So how many athletes did you find out watch soap operas when you were on? It was crazy. I mean, I got into the game and you know, and I, I knew about soap operas in high school just because the girl friends, they would run home at launch and watch, said beach, Santa Barbara, and all those shows that I wasn't really into the soap. But you know, as a teenager, he followed the girls around, then I get on a soap and I'm in a club in l. a. I'm probably twenty four twenty five years old and Dion Sanders. Is there Cal Ripken juniors, they're, they haven't some end and I'm walking by and was Michael Irvin and so I'm walking by and I'm starstruck. I'm starstruck in this club with all these major. I mean legends just Dan in there and I'm walking by China like mine mome business because like I'm just not near as cool as these athletes and I wasn't, but I just saw, I'm just kind of scared by and Dionne goes. Gel be Joe. That's Malcolm. That's Malcolm from the stories that's mountain from stories. Michael Irvin was like, it is a commute up commuter. You'd be messing with that drew Silla you'd be messing with that. Due and and I'm sitting there like looking late is this really happening and they were only late y'all, you are. The bureau demand wasn't like to work. What are you doing? Kissing scenes withdrew Sylla. And that was like I was like, y'all watch young and arrests. They man, we know tell us all we do man, right after practice. We watch the stories and I was just like bugging out. And then through the years, it just more and more Meryl Streep, watches, criminal minds, the wrestler actor. With no nine and a half roared watch. So watch months, right? Yeah. So I mean, just but it was just nuts to me that these athletes were like stuck on stupid when it came to the number of times that things happen in locker rooms clubhouses NFL like it's like a soap opera, and you're wondering where these guys pick it up from they watch actual all yours. Oh yes, sir. Baseball players in particular because they're on the road three games cents. Wake up in the hotel room. Eleven AM twelve o'clock, one o'clock, whatever got a blog kind of Email thing back in the day before the social media from Cal Ripken junior. What he's he watches young and restless and he has a crush on Phyllis or somebody. It is. Amazing. It is absolutely. So I know you're from the Oakland area. Yeah. We talked about this before and when you came on the last time, are you concerned at all with the outset of the NBA income in that somebody's coming for the crown was the fight with my family all the time. I'm half black, half white. The black side of me is Oakland, and the white side of me is Boston. So born in Oakland, I grew up Ricky Anderson fan, Oakland as I. But then I had to pick between the as the raiders the Niners and the giants. I was at battle of the bay when the earthquake hit. So I've got my my family in Boston's all about patriots, Tom Brady everything, Celtics, all out of the stuff. So the splash brothers here now and you know, k. d. the whole crew. I mean Klay Thompson Steph dream on killing the game, killing the game, but the Celtics are coming. The Celtics coming in, my family keeps reminding me that come coming because they they, they were deep David decent last year. They were just too young and inexperienced take it the rest of the way. So and injured two, you know, an. Injured too, you know with so and I know you're, you're talking his language over there. That's a big time Celtic fan. Yeah, thing about the warriors is, you know, when you win a lot, you get a little complacent. You know, he started, you know, you just, you got the money. You got the rings. He get a little comfortable, you don't. You don't work quite as hard as us to nothing lasts forever. But I think I think they if they, if they stay focused, they got a good three or four years now, the team, the team that has beaten. Okay. The warriors during this stretch the Cleveland Cavaliers right. Had a certain player that now resides here in Los Angeles, California. And one would think that even though there is no Kevin, love stature player that's here in Los Angeles when the Laker purple and gold right now, there are a whole bunch of young players and former Celtic champion rage on Rondo that's here in Los Angeles and that maybe LeBron with this roster can come at the, I think, if LeBron does what LeBron seems. To be able to do. He'll get them to the playoffs. And in your first year, he'll get them to the playoffs. I, they do have some young talent, they're hungry. He's going to be a leader mentor, but in my opinion, I think they're one superstar way. So I think you know, maybe next season they gotta bring in one more boss and you know, big men in the middle. So the Bronx can do is thing. They need one more boss, but I just don't. I think the Celtics are going to school. I think I think my words are going to school. The only thing I'm worried about LeBron is, is between the broad and the two football teams. Traffic is going to be a nightmare. Man LeBron's playing. I'm staying home. Mistreats certainly, but I'm definitely going to go watch the boy play the dodgers make the World Series to my Red Sox Red Sox though. So you see, I told you I'm an Oakland dude, but it it's, it's warriors basketball. It's nine football for me. Okay. And it's Boston Red Sox, baseball. So I'm all over the place because a family dynamic in house raised the giants. I mean, when the bonds era that that didn't capture the reason, I love the giants. Like I said, I was at battle of the bay for the World Series when they had that earthquake. When I was in junior high school, I worked for the San Francisco Chronicle as a paper boy, and on my route was Bill Walsh, coach the Niners and Willie Mays so they go. So I had to love them all. And now this is funny. Christmas Christmas would come by all the papers, all you throw the papers, but both both Bill Walsh in Willie Mays sent their wives out to tell me come to the door on Christmas when I delivered the paper. And this is back when Bill Walsh was doing all those Volvo commercials. And so Bill walls would give me a fifty dollar Chris Bill. He'd handed to me and say, thanks are doing a good job. Then I'd go to over to say Hayes house, Willie Mays his house. He gave me a hundred dollar Bill and assigned bat from Hank Aaron, not himself what he gave me. I have it in my office. I have assigned bat from Hank, Aaron and Willie would give me a crisp hundred dollar Bill graves paper out ever. Right, right. In my paper, their paper was never late. Never late when you through the paper, it Willie Mays house to ever come out and catch it over the show. No, he didn't. He didn't, but I always put. I put Bill Walsh's paper right on top of his Volvo. The one I thought he was driving so can get it. And I, I mean, I neatly placed Willie's paper right at his front door. The rest of my room in the bushes. Wherever they landed. Did you ever Shomar more of swat here season to swat premiering tomorrow night, Thursday on CBS. Did you ever try to play sports? I played sports my whole life. I got. I got drafted by Boston Baltimore, coming out a high school, a baseball baseball. I was. I was a pitcher outfielder and so I threw about ninety five coming out of high school, but my mother, he'll get you right. There were shut a picture. Jerry Carroll. Mustache. Yeah, that was my little peach fuzz. You couldn't tell me nothing because the rest of it wouldn't grow. But yeah, no, I played baseball football rent track, but my game was baseball. My uncle uncle, Steven, Wilson, Boston. He played semi pro baseball out in Boston, and he put me in my first little league team, and then he caught me in a rock fight in second grade, little racial tension going on in Boston at the time and some white kids were, you know, throwing rocks at me, and I decided to throw rocks back and my uncle taught at the high school and the principal, whoever called him said, they come get you nephew, and he came to the parking lot and saw me throwing rocks back at the other kids. Now he knew that he needed to stop me because that was the wrong thing to do. Let's stop this. But he says before he had to stop for a minute. Watch me throw these rocks 'cause I was winging him and he realized that I had a really good arm. And so he stopped me from the rock fight and then put me on a baseball team and then fast forward. I just kept playing at playing, figured it out. Got pretty good at it. Got a got a sq. Scholarship to Santa Clara university played four years of our city, and my dream was to play in Fenway park and make my uncle proud, didn't quite work out for me, but I did get close as far as Fenway in seven throughout the first pitch in Fenway park, and I was too nervous to lob it. So I just, I just unloaded and they told me through it about eighty one miles an hour who caught it, you remember Verity. So he did cut one of those over the shoulder. Very tech caught your. It wasn't a strike. It wasn't a stripe. I see. He just, he just, you know, he's a big boy, so he he just did one of these, but because I just got up. I was so nervous. I mean, it was worse than any audition or any girl you're trying to meet. I was like, I, I couldn't feel my body and and I'm standing on the mound and because I'm an actor, I started trying to play to the crowd. I'm standing there and they're planning to temple, Tampa Bay Devil Rays. And and so I start patting my chest. Like to tell the tell the crowd, I'm nervous, true, Boston fashion. Somebody from. First base first base stands goes, throw the ball already. It's so I just wound up. It was like. Was like. Invertec couldn't even frame it. It is framed picture of, you look at, you look at his focused, you are locked. No, that's common over. That's peer fear right there. Look and my uncle says to me before I walked out to the field. Now you put me on first baseball team schoolteacher works at the post office. Ex-marine was in Vietnam. All he's supposed to tell me is good luck have some fun, that's that's what I wanna hear. He looks at me before I walk out to the mount and they're giving me this introduction, ladies and gentlemen, come into the mound from criminal minds used to play varsity baseball onto ninety four miles an hour in college. Right? And I'm like, and I see myself on the big screen and I'm wetting my pants and I look at my uncle for one last piece of confidence, and he goes, don't you bouncing. And you didn't. Before you go, I wanna play a little bit of celebrity, true or false with you here, you know, mind some of your, your, your IMDB bio information or with Kapiti. Let's do it with Tamar more swat here before we sent him on his way. Go. True, keeping it real. Like it again. I love the spend down by. The first one, your first onscreen credit was John Mark on the TV series living single in nineteen. Ninety five. Is that true or false? My first on TV credit. It's true, but not my first, so it's false. Okay. So what was your first young restless young. My first professional debut is a professional actor. Okay. So then living single. Was it like being on that? I, you know what I was? It was fun, and that was a great show a group of people, but I had never done comedy. So it was so out of my comfort zone. So and my acting coach who still acting coach to this day, I called him in between rehearsals and I was like, I don't know if I can do this. I don't know. 'cause I I wasn't quite secure with comedic timing and all that. And they had me play, you know, I was good looking guy who's coming to one of the actresses and take her on a date and you know, and it it was. It was. So it was fun, but I was still very early in my career it and and I was comfortable at young and arrests because that became my comfort zone. I knew everybody, but now. House run a new group of people that were all about comedy, so it it really scared the mess outta me. And so I had to just get through it, but it inspired me. I was like, okay, that was scary. But so now I know what I need to work on. So now now you know, I'm a big silly dude. If my fans who watch me on my social media, you know, I'm nobody stand up comedian. I'm not Kevin Hart, Jamie FOX. I mean, that's those guys dance to a different Trump. But you know, I've come a long way as far as what I know how to do. So if I got a chance to do a living, single s type show, I'd be right once again. Yeah. Next one up nickname in high school was curls for girls that true story. I used to say I got the curls for the girls. Yeah, and so I had a bunch of nicknames. My name is chamois. So I challenge people to come up with a nickname that I haven't had. And so I've had right now my home call me sham. They like what a big sham. But I've been sham. I've been shamrock been Shamron shimmy shimmy cocoa puffs, shlo- meals, Lamar sham boogie the picture you showed me playing payment went so it was a, it was the Jerry curl. So go to longs drugs. 'cause had that cut it into the shag? Basically, basically, it's the black guys version of the white guys mullet. All right. So I had I had the hair and you go long drugs, and you get this yellow and red bottle of what's called curl activator, goop that up. Yeah, put that in. Put that in your activator and right, and then like soul glow from Eddie Murphy. And so I used to walk around going. Yeah, see, you see it. I got the curls for the girls and last one for you here you were the presenter when Susan Lucci finally, one or daytime, and the very true, very true. And I almost cussed on national television because I was on. I was on the red carpet doing interviews and everybody was like a. So is the street going to be over? How do you, how do you feel about her streak? Because she had been nominated, like I dunno, nineteen times something never one. So I kept hearing about the streak hearing about the street, and I knew I was doing that category, and I did a couple interviews than we go inside and I'm sitting down there. Okay. Mr. Moore, we need you backstage because we gotta do your category and nobody thought she was going to win just because she hadn't won right now because you didn't deserve it. She just has one. And so I get out there and you know, they gave you the card and I didn't know. And so I'm like, you know, in reading the teleprompter and then it's time to open the winner is can I literally flip the card? And there was a favourite. There was another woman who was we thought was going to win the call nine, almost almost went holy shit. And then I. And I just caught myself in with the streak is over Susan Lucci and the place went nuts. And I think she got like a three and a half minute standing ovation. Walked up almost add your own LaLa land. Yeah. So bit little bit. Hey, congrats on season to swallow. Thank you. Yeah, that's a good time. It's a good time. Check us out yet. Check you out Thursday nights on CBS who plays Honda. Harrelson himself for the TV audience, stay right there because this man apparently does his own forty yard dash running when when the chips are down that's coming up next here. Chamara more. Thanks for coming on. They follow him at mar more on Twitter. 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That would be absolutely crazy and nobody knows how they break the time. I think that have to break out a slide rule rock paper. Scissors. I have no idea the right now the Brock. He's the Bri the of the brewers. I looked at you and I saw the in. Lead the Rockies right now by three and a half games for the NFL wildcards. It looks like the brewers are gonna host in NFL wildcard game unless they win the actual NO essential, which is possible because they're half game behind. The cubs cardinals are half game behind the Rockies for that last nationally wildcard spot or they're behind the dodgers because the Rockies are just a half game behind the dodgers right now. It is nutty. The only thing we know is -lanta is in no. Absolutely. No, you know, Atlanta's in the cubs are in that we know. Wow, okay. Well, actually, we don't even know if the cubs are into be honest with you. No, Atlanta's in that. Is it? That's the only one they clinched the division that is eight. Everybody else could be in around, and this is what we thought months ago. We knew the teams we're going to be in the AL. We just didn't know who is playing home. We just thought that said. We just thought Seattle would be in the Oakland spot right? Then Oakland came out of the Oakland come in second, and we trace it back to keeping them awake at the big slick on June. First ninety two thousand eighteen. We're in the same tell we kept him up at night. They scored nineteen runs the next night, and then off they go. So you wish you total. Yeah, exactly. Should totally take credit for that. They credit. You're absolutely welcome. Eight, four, four, two, four, riches. The number to dial John Schneider. Formerly of small would also of as we all know back in the day dukes of hazzard he's now dancing. He's going to come out here later. We got a lot of fun plan for him, right, because we'll stroll down memory lane. Got a great start bench cut based on memory lane, and we may or may not have another John Schneider join us. I'm not gonna lie. Okay, that's coming up an hour. Number three. I wanna hit one more thing before we take a break for our number two to three your news updates coming up, correct, correct. Got some good, a great, a great soundbite on rate Rajon Rajon Rajon Rondo it's amazing guys been the league thirteen years in in still need to figure it out. Injury updates heading in mid week. Yeah, Lucia, McCoy. There's an injury update on him. Great. Jarvis Landry quote. Okay, great. Terrific about. I'm assuming it's it's about Baker Mayfield corralled his new quarterbacks, death. I do wanna revisit this LeBron James and how he's here in Los Angeles now. And now everybody wants him to say. He came here because he wants to do movies and television, and and he's already thrown his basketball career out as just a as a hobby. And he's focused on movies and TV and being a producer and an actor he's already announcing Space Jam to. He's announced a new show with producing with Elizabeth banks. He's on the front cover of the Hollywood reporter's everywhere. He's the host of the shop on h. b. o. which is a fabulous program. Okay. And that. Okay, he's not. He's not. He's just just please come out and say basketball, secondary secondary to LeBron James, and let me just say this. He is no doubt hearing all of this and wants to remind you, okay that he's a basketball player. I, we had maverick Carter on here about a year ago pointing out how LeBron James could take meetings, anywhere memory made fun of me. When I said, you know, he wants to come here to Los Angeles so he could take meetings and he's like, rich. If he's in Detroit, people are gonna go to Detroit LeBron James is the way put it. That's right. So everybody's telling the Braun away. By saying that he's focusing on other aspects of life in terms of television and movies, they're sensually telling him. To shut up and dribble. It away. Right anyway, we're not talking about anything outside of the sports world, but. Politically or socially, we're talking about other things that he's doing. I think. Wondering if it's going to be a distraction. Right? What help. The guy has a whole setup a whole setup. It's not like that that that TV show the shop again on HBO. It's not like LeBron set up the lights in the camera. Right. Down. He might have booked some of the people. I mean, I'd imagine so. Okay. Sometimes I booked people. You're on this show. Okay. Odell. Jon Stewart just doesn't show up anywhere. Right, exactly. Okay. So I mean, but will that take away from his basketball playing? I think he wants to prove that he can do it all and understands that the underpinning other all is as basketball career and. Bear with me here on this analogy. Okay. You've heard of the weekend warrior, right? Yes, weekend warrior is businessman. Businesswoman. Monday through Friday, locked in on business, and then on the weekend, does something recreationally just as hard as they do their job, their business, correct? Yes. They're hammering out there weekend. Warrior recklessly softball league name it. They're weak. They are the weekend warrior. Well, how about LeBron James is taken it and reverse? He's the athlete whose weekend warrior stuff is the entertainment business. He's a weekend warrior producer host actor and it's not like he's going to, okay, we're playing the warriors Tuesday and we've got the rockets on Thursday. I am so gonna shoot that Space Jam scene in front of the green screen with Bugs Bunny on Wednesday. I'm just going to hammer that in there really. And his business is basketball and everything else outside of that is his weekend, warrior stuff, recreation that's business, and he wants to dominate their to. He's kind of the first ever. Athlete CEO while still being an athlete, who else is done what he's doing right now. So he's kind of like if you're the weekend warrior in your business world on your softball diamond or your Jim ereck league, you're working out whatever. He's kind of doing it in reverse and wants to show you that he could do it in this town for that franchise. That's got all those trophies. And if you're telling him to shut up and dribble, it's at your peril. How about that for take. I like it. I think the questions arise when you look at the basketball point of view of this is such a young team, there's a lot of unknown. Should he be focusing as much energy on all of this other? Not we don't. I'm just saying that's what the perspective is from people asking these questions just because we have trouble multitasking washing. And again, it's not like he's the one. Doing it all by himself. You know what? He's might do all by himself. Thirty seconds to go. That's what he's going to do all by himself. Hi game down to down one. That's what will do by himself because that's what let's see. Right? Who's right and who's wrong. I'm not actually worried about any of the off the court stuff I'm worried about who's going to control the basketball. They have three point guards on this team, including Bron himself. I'm more worried about the basketball point of view. I think that's going to be fascinating. You have set up the Rajon Rondo samba that we're about to hear an hour number three. Okay. Our poll question is which team that's currently undefeated gonna last the longest as the undefeated could the Miami Dolphins keep the champagne on ice. They could not really according to everyone. Let's all right. We'll get that. And John Schneider very good Waylon Jennings to us out. In our number two. Number three, we're going to do it live with John Schneider news, update your calls. This week on off the vine, Kaitlyn bristowe is in studio with her bottle of wine handy to talk to the latest bachelorette Becca covering. Funny. I still feel like my normal self firm small-time. Minnesota people are like. People are like, can we ever want that? Like I should pay you not to take a photo with meal. You don't want that checkout off the vine every Tuesday and Thursday on podcast one or wherever you get your favorite podcasts. Accuser. Number three. I'm Ed Donahue with an AP news minute of third woman is coming forward to accuse court nominee bread, capital of sexual misconduct Cavanaugh says, he doesn't know who this is, and this never happened calling it ridiculous. And from the twilight zone, the Senate Judiciary committee also released the statement he prepared for tomorrow's hearing in which he denies sexually assaulting Christine Blasi Ford who will also testify cavenaugh does admit to drinking with friends in high school saying he sometimes had too many and said, and did things that now make him cringe at the Sandra megani. What does President Trump think of the latest allegations? Ridiculous if the game. If the Democrats play this game is disgraceful to disgrace to the country, and I think you're gonna see in the mid term. I think people are wise to it's just a con game. The president was asked by a reporter. What's your next question? I'm Ed Donahue.

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One more time simplisafe dot com slash Joe pod. It is being contained and nothing's being contained there are at least five hundred and forty six cases the viruses now in thirty four states and the District of Columbia. The death toll is twenty two. It is being contained. One hundred countries are now reporting cases. It is being contained. The demand on healthcare providers is surging. It is being contained. We're GONNA see a complete overwhelming of the entire medical system. It is being contained. There is no vaccine and a delay getting those test kits. It is being contained. You don't want to alarm people but given the spread we've seen anything is possible. It is being contained. And do you not think as being contained well if the White House can't be trusted at least we have public servants. In Congress like Florida's Matt Gaetz who for example had so much fun mocking Corona virus outbreak by wearing a gas mask on Capitol Hill? Just days before resident in his home district died of corona virus. Good morning and welcome to morning Joe. It is Monday march ninth with us. We have what has reporter for the Associated Press Jonathan Lemaire host of MSNBC's politics nation and president of the National Action Network? Reverend Al Sharpton President of the Council on Foreign Relations and author of the forthcoming book the World Brief Interjection Richard Haass and US National Editor at the Financial Times. Edward loose joins us. This morning. We have more fast moving developments with the corona virus. The number of cases are surging here in the US. From two hundred thirty cases on Friday to at least five hundred forty six cases this morning the viruses now in thirty four states and the District of Columbia which reported its first case this weekend. The death toll is twenty. Two anxiety has now hit congress. Senator Ted Cruz and Congressman. Paul Gore have self quarantined after coming in contact with someone who tested positive at CPAC popular south by Southwest Festival which brings millions hundreds of millions of dollars million dollars into the local economy. Austin Texas has been canceled. One of the world's top tennis tournaments in Indian Wells in southern California has also been canceled. Columbia University has canceled classes for today and tomorrow. Rice University in Texas has cancelled classes all week. Due to the spreading corona virus the historic Christ Church of Georgetown canceled Sunday service for the first time since the nineteen th century after its rector tested positive for the virus and then the markets Wall Street is poised for another bloodbath dow futures pointing to a more than twelve hundred point. Plunge as a perfect storm hits the financial sector fear over the corona virus and a war over oil prices and now health experts say the virus is at a point of rapid acceleration here in the US. Despite those claims from the president's top political appointees viruses contained I was still argue to you that this is contained. But it can't be airtight. It is being contained. And do you not think it's being contained underway here in the United States is a very large outbreak in Seattle. That's the one we know about. Probably one in Santa Clara. Maybe other parts of the country other cities and so. We're past the point of containment. We have to implement broad mitigation strategies. Now we're shifting into a mitigation faith which means that we're helping communities understand you're going to see more cases. Unfortunately you're going to see more deaths so Jonathan will mayor obviously. Yeah the surgeon general. They're talking about being past the point of containment despite what Kellyanne Conway said when she mocked to. Cbs News reporter on Friday. Sanger you a doctor or are you a lawyer. Why are you not telling the truth? Well actually the reporter was right Kellyanne Conway arrogant boastful and lying all at the same time. That's a nice try factor but what we saw this week in the numbers have exploded. Stanford UNIVERSITY CANCEL THEIR CLASSES. Rice University Columbia. All of those that we're talking about we've obviously got the cruise ship with over three thousand people with with it's been carson basically showed his yesterday but absolutely no plan for what to do with that and again the test kits. We're finding out more and more that it the task of the way the trump administration's handle this has been disastrous. But you sorted AC- Yesterday Jonathan that conservatives that had been mocking This outbreak conservatives. Who thought that somehow a virus could be pushed? Aside is as readily as the rule of law or political norms are suddenly scared and the White House officials also Jonathan. I want you to talk about this. White House. Officials now are telling reporters they are concerned. I'm sure they're telling you. They are concerned that the president's messaging and the president's attitude is wildly out of touch with reality and they're concerned that they can't get him to message this correctly and and he's even last night you saw that he was tweeting conspiracy theories right. We seem to have reached a tipping point. Perhaps this week about this virus in terms of its spread realization. That no longer. The efforts there to stop it entering the country. We're successful but rather it's about mitigating those who already here and the numbers are expected to really go up in the days ahead. You're right we're conservatives. Who Sort of mocked this previously including the congressman? Who now has self quarantined a few weeks ago suggesting this was an Obama media plots conspiracy theory. We saw Ted Cruz. I said that he will remain isolated and quarantined for a week or so because he believes he came in contact with an individual at CPAC the conservative conference who was affected and there are a number of other high profile Republicans and conservatives who were at that conference who may now also take similar measures in terms of the president. And I'd say you're right last week. There was an effort to try to get messaging on the same page. They put the vice president in front of this started giving daily briefings with health experts. You know not all of the information was perhaps as accurate as it could have been certainly the CDC numbers. Don't line up in terms of reported cases with with states are saying what other with the European agency is saying. There was effort among the White House to try to get behind this with one voice. The president can't see the spotlight and he himself on Friday at the CDC delivered a Scattershot has performance that alarmed not just public with markets but members of his own party in terms of suggesting that test kits were readily available to anyone. Who wanted to? That's simply not true. He admitted that the crucial that was being held off the coast of California. He wanted to stay there. Because of the people came the United States the numbers of patients would add to the US tally. He was putting statistics in front of us. Prioritizing statistics over these patients receiving adequate healthcare he even compared the bread of availability and accuracy of the test. Kits saying they were as perfect as his call. The Ukraine leader the call that eventually got him impeached. So there are suggestions from the White House they know they can't control him in terms of his messaging. But they're worried. Joe that this is a president who was far more concerned about his political future and tried to downplay the threat here and by doing so may actually be under selling. What's Americans are facing putting them in danger? Not Not actually not maybe underselling. He has been under selling from the very beginning. Said we had fifteen cases they were all going away talked about how this magically was going to disappear talked about at one point. Hey in a rally. Nobody in the United States is even died by this. The media's pushing this up into a hoax coverage is a hoax of this and how dangerous it is and then loses. We're looking at these pictures from Friday. The president goes wearing a campaign hat. Says he wants to keep a cruise line where people are basically imprisoned on a cruise ship at half the test of three thousand people. There only forty two forty three tests. Half of those people have tested positive. Those people are trapped and the President says he wants to keep them out of the United States and offshore because if they come on shore that will only raise the number of Americans who have to be reported with Corona virus and. Yes he says these kits that are non existent are perfect then also lied as he always does but this time and we actually did. Somma reporting this weekend on this particular line which will show you in a minute where the president said that. If you WANNA kit you can get a kid. If you WANNA test you can have a test. Everybody can have a test that they're available. Well they're not even available in Washington. Dc and it seems all these lies are doing are lining up more concerns for Americans and a stock market that. We're looking at at a black Monday. I'm sure if it goes the way. It seems a lot of people in the markets. We call this black Monday. Yeah something worse. I mean it is worth emphasizing that the president's priority. Olano in the last few weeks whatever commented about the corona virus has been to do stocks as Detroit to sustain confidence in the markets. And what we have now is the biggest coordinator decline in global asset prices since two thousand eight with financial prices and since nineteen ninety one with oil prices. So that is the result of the president's confidence talking attempts to talk up the markets. I think when every opens his mouth now the dangerous the markets are going to plunge more steeply if you think about his first real intervention the day that he less than two weeks ago that he appointed Mike. Pence's corona viruses. Are He said look? We've got fifteen cases real cases in America and they're going down to zero. They're going down to zero as he spoke. There was a new case found in Washington state. But we're now up to several hundred if were full testing kits available and a proper sort of map of this the estimates that I'm hearing from specialists from epidemiologists as more like twenty thousand cases across the US so every time. The president opens his mouth interrupting his Health Secretary. Alex's artists say there are tests that beautiful perfect they're available clearly untrue every time president intervenes like this the markets lose confidence that anybody is in charge of this shit so I think today a black Monday whatever we call it. In terms of the the bloodbath in the markets today really is day one of the general election. This is when trump's first real crisis first genuine crisis and it's more than a crisis starts to hit everybody's radar screens in America and how he performs from now on will be absolutely critical. Mika we want as we said when as I said when Barack Obama as President I mean it is it is critical that the president of the United States succeeds. It is critical that every president does their best to succeeded is critical especially at this time that this president succeeds in getting his arms around this epidemic. Which may soon turn into a pandemic and so what we've been saying for the past two weeks every day that the president has to be realistic about the dangers. That are facing Americans said he needs to tell the truth and give the bad news now because the more he he engages and unrealistic magical thinking the more we're going to see the market's collapse and tumble. There is no confidence in what he says. Last night as the markets were melting down in Asia and Europe. The president was tweeting out conspiracy theories which of course this morning we see the results were thirteen. Hundred down in the Dow implied open and the president is an absolutely nothing to reassure markets to reassure Americans. It's becoming more and more obvious that we're not ready after Vice President Mike Pence on Friday confirmed that twenty one people aboard a grand princess cruise ship. That's being held of the coast of California have tested positive for the Corona Virus The Los Angeles Times reports. The ship is expected to dock today at the port of Oakland. With all of the nearly three thousand passengers said to be quarantined for fourteen days at military installations according to the Department of Health and Human Services. Keep in mind. They tested forty six people. Twenty one of them have the virus here is Hud Secretary Ben Carson yesterday. Vice President met with the CEOS of major cruise ship companies yesterday and They are coming up with a plan within seventy two hours of that meeting Tomorrow the plan will be in place by that time but I don't. I don't want to preview the plan right now. Shouldn't you be able to do that? I think I think it needs to come from a solitary source. We shouldn't have sixteen people saying what the plan is okay with it hasn't been particularly when it hasn't been fully formulated ravaged incompetence. Just mind boggling. You have this this cruise liner that we've known about for some time. We knew last week. Fetish over three thousand people on the ship. They tested over. Forty forty five half of those people tested positive that means over three thousand people still not tested that was last week and Ben Carson saying he goes on and he's the administration spokesperson yesterday and they have no plan Dr Ben Carson. They have no plan. They might have a plan in seventy two hours and he can't tell you anything about that plan and it's like Donald Trump saying on Friday. I don't want that ship to dock because that will just mean that they're more reported numbers of the corona virus. As if somehow those numbers being reported somewhere is going to change the reality. That's I think these people aren't in touch with reality. The fact that the virus does not care about their stupid politics. The virus does not care about their stupid stunts on the House floor. The virus does not care about their stupid denials or their attacks on the press are on. Democrats are on international health organizations the viruses going to kill Americans regardless of their stupidity are actually because of their stupidity a me. Help us out here ravel. Did you see anything this weekend? That gave you a reason to hope. Not at all not from this administration. When you look at very carefully with searcher costs said he said that they will have a plan in a few days then when he's challenged well the docking tomorrow. Oh yeah that's right the docking tomorrow. But I'm not going to tell you. Put the plan is because he just told you they didn't have a plan and we're playing games with people's lives. We are in danger and put the partisan politics aside for a moment and you are my disdain for the president for the president to stand there with a campaign hat on and try to keep people at bay so he can play with the numbers for political reasons why we're seeing people of all parties all races all economic backgrounds in jeopardy here is as callous and immoral and sick as one can be. We're talking about something that may not happen but that is happening. And they're playing games would how it spends in some political back room. I think that we are in a very serious place. And if Republicans and Democrats cannot come together and call on this president to be honest in candidate we are going to be the ones that contribute to human life being lost. This is beyond the politics of the hour and we were very critical around this set of of President Obama when we had the Gulf oil spill and the president decided instead of going down to the Gulf coast and Panama City where that oil spill was. I think it was in two thousand eleven or so. He decided to go home for the weekend in Chicago for a long Memorial Day weekend. Very critical of him for not going down without optics and responding. Here you have a president that is golfing continues golfing. Despite the fact that he mocked Barack Obama endlessly golfing. I think even during a bowl outbreak mocked constantly for golfing. And that's what the president did this weekend. While World Markets Shuddered Wall Americans lived in fear wondering if their next. And here's the president on Friday talking about the cruise ship where Americans are basically imprisoned and the White House has absolutely no plans. Three thousand. 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We'll always get the future wrong. Better get life insurance right. Hey everyone it's mainly MSNBC correspondent and host of the new podcast into America and our latest episode Republican giant and longtime. Senator Lindsey. Graham is for the first time ever facing a real challenge to his Senate seat relative newcomer to the scene a black Democrat in a red state. Win This I had the South Carolina to find out search for into America. Wherever you listening right now and subscribe KALAC. They would like to have the people come off. I'd rather have the people stay but I'd go with them. I told them to make the final. I would rather because I liked. The number is being where they are. I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship. That was it our fault. As of the time I left the plane with you. We had two hundred forty cases or at least what was on a very fine network on his Fox News. You love it. But that's what happened to be watching and How was this show? Listen I get good ratings by the way broken off. That's what they told me. Get stuff you know. My Uncle Sa- great I use at MIT he taught at MIT for. I think like a record number of years a great super genius Dr John Trump. I like this stuff I really get it. People are surprised. I understand every order. These socks that had you know so much about this. Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that. Instead of running for President I told my not to be conflict with the governor because that governor is a snake okay Injury if we came up with a cure today and tomorrow everything is gone. And you went up to this governor. Who's not a good governor by the way if you went up to this governor and you said to him how did trump do? It's he did a terrible job. I so here we are again. The president goes to the Center for Disease Control to try to calm Americans nerves. That's why presidents go there and let them know they're in charge this president instead of course wearing a campaign hat which no president. I'm sorry maybe it's not a big deal. Maybe think it's not a big deal He divides American half when he wears had had. Just like you know for those of you. Rolling your eyes at me saying that. If Barack Obama had gone to the Center for Disease Control and worn an Obama Biden hat in two thousand twelve. A you would've absolutely freaked out so he wears the campaign hat. Richard he says. I like the numbers where they are talking about the infections. He doesn't want the cruise ship. Become unsure because that will increase the number which means kill actually have a better grasp of reality. He talks about Fox News Liking it and ask how his ratings were at a town hall meeting the night before again in the middle of this briefing. He talks about his. Mit uncle again. Super Genius. He says that all the doctors asked how he knows. How much rather. None of that doctors asked that question. He's lying again and then he decides to choose. The governor who is who has who state his board the greatest brunt of this who's had the most Americans die there and decides to call him a quote snake. He also lies about the as kids as we said before. If you WANNA test kit you can have a test kit and says they are perfect just like his call to the Ukraine about about Ukraine. This is I don't have to even I don't. This is what you call. Raise Low quitter. In and the law speaks for itself. He is unqualified and unfit to be president of the United States and unfit at one of the most dangerous times this country has seen in. I'll say it since nine eleven. We don't know where this heads but we know it gets much much worse with this president. You mentioned nine eleven Joe and nearly three thousand people lost their lives. We're in the early stages of a crisis where I believe. Orders of magnitude more Americans are endangered. So let's just put that on the table. We're at a point that this the numbers are going to take over. The the word you're going to hear by the hour now is acceleration. We're in the acceleration phase. We have an administration. That's engaging truly uninformed sanguine happy talk we ought to be talking seriously about things like paid sick leave less than nothing is nine states in. This country provide for paid sickly. We can't have a situation where sick people are going to work. We need a situation where we have these tests that are accurate and available. We need to start discouraging large gatherings of American people the kinds of things. We're seeing around the world. This should be debated now. Instead of denying the reality you ought to be having serious conversations about sporting events about school staying open. We need some leadership from Washington. And that's where we are richer. They're they're still debating whether to have coachella or not and I'm just wondering what. Planet these organizers are on South by southwest. Bit The bullet. They ended up losing three hundred four hundred million dollars. It's going to be devastating but it would have been far more devastating. If half of Austin had the corona virus and they're still debating whether to have coachella. I mean you look at what Stanford you look at all the colleges that are starting to shut down all over the world and again they're doing it being responsible and Richard Talk about what Italy's had to do. They've shut down a third of the country right again. We're at a stage. Now where containment trying to keep people from coming in with the virus. We're past that point now. What we have is just transmission within society. So the question is. How do you make a society with the viruses already entered in spread? How do you make it less? Vulnerable and testing is central. Keeping sick people at home is central but also keeping large groups from gathering. If you have a thousand people in a room the odds that several of them do not have. The virus is increasingly nil. And that's what we're seeing. Every time you have a convention now CPAC eight-pack the other day. People are being exposed. So we've got to prevent these gatherings Italy doing it on a dramatic scale. Obviously in northern Italy you had a critical mass of people who had come in from China and exposed the population that literally quarantining. What twenty million people if we want to avoid those kinds of situations? They're in this country in a month. Now we've got to start taking really dramatic steps and again what we're seeing is ostrich-like behavior out of the president and those around them. Well Dr Falcone did say that What's happening in Italy? Some form of that could happen here in the US. If you speak to the experts you get an expert information and in terms of this presidency. You know the perfect call. To the president of Ukraine that damaged our national security saying to George Stephanopoulos that he would take dirt on political rival that damaged our national security and made us less safe his weird relationship with Russia. Damages our national security and makes us less safe but Americans and I speak about trump supporters. They can't see that it's not something that's tangible to them. This will be. This will be different. This is where This behavior ends with this president. But let's not hope that it takes the lives of more and more American. What we hope is what we said earlier that this president succeeds in getting out front of this crisis which is rising by the day. It's getting things are getting more dangerous and I must say if you look at demographics at actually gets more dangerous for all Americans. But for those Americans in their sixties and older it gets more dangerous and a lot of those people are trump supporters. Donald you can say whatever you want to say the White House but your supporters that are sixteen older are GonNa go to. Their doctors and their doctors are going to tell them you're lying. They're going to believe their doctors over you right so you need to just start telling the truth every day. You need to stop tweeting out conspiracy theories you need to stop talking about your ratings. You need to start worrying about protecting people especially people who are sixty and older be they Republicans or Democrats or if they if they're not even political because your lies your hopes that cruise ships can cruise around forever and go in circles and not reach shore. Well first of all. That's cruel those Americans who were trapped on that cruise ship but secondly it doesn't change the reality that's happening right here in the United States of America one. Final thing meek as we talk about being more careful especially listen Dr Falcone and your doctor go to your doctor. They will tell you if you were sixty years or older. Stay OFF PLANES. If at all possible to knock on a cruise or anything with lots of people stay out of crowds. Just just be careful. Don't don't don't don't go and close spaces like Richard says where there are thousands more people in those crowds and you know what what that brings us to is the fact that the three men who were most likely be the next president of the United States are all in their seventies and at least two of them are not peak health. They have underlying conditions. The President of course is obese. He's not in good shape. He's you look at it and despite what you can just by the Morbid obesity. That is clear you can see the obesity. You can see his diet. He's not healthy. He's not in good shape Bernie Sanders had a heart attack. He has an underlying condition. We don't know about Joe Biden's cardiac health we don't know but we know one thing. They're all in their seventies. None of them looked to be antipathy top shape and they're all of all the people who are likely to have a severe reaction to coming in contact with the Koran virus there all right In the center of that Bullseye so the question is this Mika. Do they continue campaigning? Do they continue going around shaking hands. Do they ignore the advice of Dr Foul or do they start doing what Ted Cruz and others are doing and back off and actually start quarantining themselves? Their doctors are going to answer that question in the next few days. Hey Guys Willie geist here this week on the Sunday. Sit Down podcast I get together with Hollywood icon Al Pacino for a cruise around Beverly Hills and conversation about his legendary fifty year career. You can get that now for free wherever you download your podcasts. Drastic lockdown sent thousands rushing for trains out of Milan. Sixteen million people are not quarantined. A quarter of Italy's population. No one can leave or enter. Hospitals are being overwhelmed by the virus said the prime minister. It's an emergency. Milan looked deserted. Italy now the worst hit country in the world. One hundred and thirty-three new deaths in just one day three hundred sixty six now and all and more than fourteen hundred new infections hundred and thirty three deaths in one day in Italy that is. Nbc's bill kneeling last night in the global fight against the corona virus reached unprecedented levels over the weekend with Italy's government placing more than sixteen million people. A quarter of their entire population under lockdown as more than one hundred nine thousand cases of the virus have been confirmed across at least one hundred four countries yet here in the US. The response has been dramatically slower but from all accounts. It doesn't have to be in a recent interview with The New York Times Dr Bruce L. Award a leader of the. Who team that recently visited. China saw firsthand. How China rapidly suppressed the corona virus outbreak that had engulfed Wuhan and was threatening the rest of the country this past weekend. Chinese officials reported only ninety nine new cases on Saturday down from around two thousand per day just weeks earlier. Dr Aylward notes. China's counterattack can be replicated but it will require speed money imagination and political courage for countries. That act quickly. Containment is still possible. Because we don't have a global pandemic. We have outbreaks occurring globally morning. Joe's chief medical correspondent Dr Dave Campbell. Went to our nation's capital this weekend to investigate the trump administration's slow response they're spread of misinformation and what it will take for this deadly virus to be contained here in the US. Anybody that needs a desk. It's a test. We there have the test and the test beautiful. I came to Washington. Dc to check on the status of the corona virus outbreak response. The local hospitals surrounding the White House told me that they still rely on the CDC for their corona virus testing and it takes a few days to get the test results back. Can you please help me understand where we are heading both locally and perhaps internationally with the krona virus outbreak on the cases are going down in China? That's a good thing. But they're going up everywhere in the world because if you look at hospitals nursing homes prisons cruise ships whenever people are congregated together. It's got this amplification and I call it a slingshot event when we started doing it our way with the testing guidelines. We aimed for the stars and we missed and that's gotten us behind the eight ball. How can we catch up now? We've really made some missteps. This obviously been a lot of transmission going on silent transmission we've done almost no testing no epidemiological research. We catch up by rapidly. Getting out the test kits. We catch up by funding our public health agencies we need to fund research and development but we also need to plan for the future because our hospitals could easily be overrun. That could be overrun. Not just with people who have the disease but also the worried well and so most people won't die of the corona virus. They'll die of cancer. Heart disease diabetes or even unsafe childbirth. Because THEY WON'T GET CARE. We've got a shortage of ventilators medical equipment protection equipment for doctors and so we have a lot to catch up on. We've recently passed the point at which case our more cases outside China than inside China Daily basis which I think is a pretty critical shift in this in this situation. Lauren Gardner at Johns Hopkins created the Krona Tracking Map and is finding that the number of cases in China is dropping as a number of cases out of China increases. She thinks this is a critical shift. Your thoughts I agree. I think that this is a critical shift. This is speaking to the global nature of the disease like this. I think there's a lot of lessons to learn from the Chinese response and governments around the world right now are starting to respond to this disaster. We don't have enough test today. Anybody that needs a desk. It's a test we there there. It is being contained. And do you not think as being contained in this document where you said you said it's not being contained. So are you a doctor lawyer when you say? It's not being contained containment issue. I will still argue to you that this is contained. It can't be airtight. Public Health hinges on public trust when public trust is broken and confidence is gone. It's very hard to regain. I think that there's some leaders including president trump who want to paint a rosy picture but as a result he ends up saying words that are misleading in frankly untrue and that gets very confusing. Because you don't want a muddled message to be coming out. You don't want the president to be saying something in his top public health leaders to be eating something because then who do. The American people trust. Were the middle of a novel outbreak of new disease and so it makes sense that there is so much that we don't know what's so critical is for people to understand what's happening and we in America new to practice what we preach because we talk about other countries needing to have transparent honest communication. Not suppressing information being open with the public. And we need to do that right here. And that needs to come from every level of government. What do you think we should be telling your friends and neighbors and patients this week as we get more testing we are going to find a lot more people who have krona virus and may not know that they've had it. We're going to find more clusters more cases of community transmission. And it's easy to understand how this will breed fear and there will be a lot of changes in our daily life disruptions to our everyday life for example schools but actually being closed and travel being cancelled and in patterns being changed. I would say for everyone to be prepared for that. We're coming to you from scarsdale middle school where a faculty member tested positive for the corona virus and as a result every school in the district will be closed for the rest of the week and Stanford University starting Monday. We'll be holding classes for the next two weeks when you're on public transportation find the least dense. Koro a bus available Amtrak today announcing it's canceling nonstop service from New York to Washington. We're going to see in the United States in a few weeks where you're going to have maybe tens of thousands of people who are quarantined in their own home. How are we going to get them? Food medicines if there if you're rich or your upper middle class professional you can telecommute but what about people who are living paycheck to paycheck coming on the political season now. This is presidential campaign. What are we? GonNa do about political rallies. There are so many things that are going to change in our life. We're going to have an enormous social and economic upheaval. We need to have clear messaging from the White House and from the public health agencies to be able to do that. We're not getting that every time. We have a crisis whether it's SARS or influenza h one and one or murders or a Bola We're surprised how about in future. We say we don't know what the next big one is but it is coming. We don't know when and we don't know what exact virus it's going to be but it will be here so rather than play catch up. Why don't we prepare? We have the best and brightest scientists health care and public health people in the world. We just let them do their job. And don't get them and give them the political and social and Economic Support. They need. They'll bring this bell bring us through it. You don't be. It's another part of this that that actually we all need to be concerned about all of this with loved ones who who may not be completely healthy. The doctor was talking about the possibility of people who have diabetes people who have cancer people have heart heart problems. People who are are having childbirth are may not get the type of care and Treatment. They need because healthcare facilities are so overrun. And I'm thinking about in far rockaway as this weekend. One person walks into an emergency room and suddenly forty healthcare providers have to self quarantine themselves something radically wrong with that idea. And we're not even thinking ahead about how one person walking in just one person can shut down an entire emergency room doctor. Dave Campbell joins us now and Dr Dave. We have a million questions. You and let's start with that one we'll go. We'll get to the testing and the lack thereof across the country in just a moment but I just have to ask basic common sense. You heard Dr Austin. They're talking about people staying away from hospitals nursing homes and anywhere where there are a lot of people who could be at risk not to have them exposed so you walk into an Er and chances are there's going to be twenty people over the age of sixty and seventy sitting in the ER trying to get care. Why are there not corona virus testing and treatment centers being set up and localities across the country? So you don't have people walking into Ers and infecting the healthcare workers and the at risk people sitting in the are because that is a great question and the answer is unknown. The public health officials haven't gotten us to the point today Monday. Where if you walk into an emergency room. You will be segregated from other patients. You know. Think about pediatrician's office over the years when the kids go in. There's a sick room when there's a well room. The other kids go in the room. We haven't prepared for that on the local level. If you go in a local hospital where I am in Palm Beach County. I called this morning to find out. You cannot have the test done for corona virus today and there's nothing in place cranes a segregate patients. That are sick is unbelievable and again. You can't get this test right now whether it's in Washington. Dc or palm. Beach are in most parts of the United States. And Yet ed loose on Friday. The President United States said. If you WANNA test you can get a test. That was just a lie and actually a very dangerous indeed so when he said that only eight thousand nine hundred and fifty six Americans had been tested only eighteen hundred and fifty six been a few more since then. I BELIEVE. Five thousand tests with samples have been taken. You'll getting ten thousand a day. In South Korea getting tens of thousands in Italy. You'll getting thousands of day in tiny countries like the Netherlands. The fact that the United States is ill prepared for this situation and the still doesn't have a fully approved fully distributed test. Ready is I think testament to the negligence that we've seen from the top of this administration from day. One the move along nothing to see here. This Bain a global test available approved by the World Health Organization since late January which came from Germany which the. Who said this is the global standard? We could have been importing that into the United States instead of attempting to reinvent the wheel and then of course on top of all of this the CDC and the the FDA of been having some bureaucratic infighting so what is needed is a president who understands the urgency of providing tests rather than claiming those tests already available. Which is just a flat-out ms truth. It's just untrue. It's highly misleading and potentially extremely dangerous to the lives of many many Americans so Dr Dave. The president said they wanted to test can get a test. How close are we to that becoming a reality test? Perhaps if you go into an emergency room you cannot get that test in Palm Beach County in the northern part if you go into one of the hospitals around the White House two of the three hospitals I talk to will perhaps give you the test and they'll have to send it out to the. Cdc that was as of over the weekend. So ideally this week we will see the test. Kits spoken of spread out across the country locally. It has not happened today. If you go in the emergency room today you are most likely going to be told that you cannot be tested on site for the virus so Dr Day. But you're telling us is that where where Donald Trump resides most of the time and in Washington. Dc that you contacted the three hospitals closest to that White House and and and even the president the President neighborhood. You can't get that test and you're telling us this morning that you know he golfed it more. Lago this weekend. That and Palm Beach County where the president spends the rest of his time. There are still no tests available right. That is correct. Today will be the day where everyone wakes up in the United States across all fifty states and starts to decide and be told what to do next physicians. Doctors Surgeons will have to decide today whether to perform. Elective surgery this week. People will have to decide if they're going to go to the doctor's Office for routine healthcare services. Today is the day Joe where everything changes across the country. All right Dr David Campbell. Thank you so much for being with us. We'll see you tomorrow and keep getting updates. We really appreciate it. So Richard Hawes. You've spent your lifetime working in and around Whitehouse's advising presidents advising world leaders and I I just sitting here thinking about crisis that's exploding Congress's now asking whether they need to adjourn the the best institutions in this country educational institutions deciding. Not to hold classes and you still have a White House. That on Friday was lying about Deville -bility of kids. If you WANNA kit. If you WANNA test you can get a test. When is Ed said in the country over three hundred million? We'd only given eighteen hundred tests. They're not available around the White House and the three hospitals closest to the White House not available in the hospitals surrounding moral Lago. They're not available anywhere where the president claims they're available and then you had the president's spokesperson Kellyanne Conway dressing down a reporter for suggesting that what the reality was that fits viruses contained. It's it's not contained it's spreading. What and even Ted Cruz now. Admitting we need to be series about this now we need to talk about. And so what what? What are the ramifications? Not only for this country. But for the globe that the United States who's expected to be on the forefront in areas light this fighting epidemics preventing pandemics de mix is now trailing the world and has a response. That reminds me very much. Mike South Africa's response to the AIDS epidemic. Ten fifteen years ago. This is the third grade crisis of the less two decades we had. We had nine eleven. And then we had the the financial crisis. And this this is the third one domestically Testing is part of it. And you've been talking about that for for obvious reasons about just one piece of the puzzle. We've got what thirty million Americans who don't have health insurance A large lease that many don't have adequate health insurance three or four times that many Don't have paid sick leave. We still have no national policy about large gatherings of people. So what we need are all sorts of fixes Testing is one of them. Paid sick leaves another one Rules about gatherings is another we need. We need that but also join you. Raise a really important point. The world is not being put on pause. You know. We're dealing with this. But YOU GOT NORTH KOREA TESTING MISSILES. You've got Who knows what in in places like Iran in China. So you've God this is this is this potentially takes the United States out of action at a time when history simply isn't going on pause so this is one of those moments. Where if you're not worried you really are not paying attention. So oil prices offered a major collapse overnight long term interest rates in the US have plunged and investors are bracing for economic fallout from the corona virus. There's a lot to talk about. Concerning the markets today joining us now. Nbc News Senior Business Correspondent and MSNBC. Anchor Stephanie Rule joins US also with US business columnist at New York magazine. Josh Barrow. Good to have you both Steph. Kinda give us the latest as we start off the week this Monday morning. I mean we are in desperate need of a global coordinated effort from adult decision-makers. Talk about what happened in oil over the weekend remember. This is tied to corona last week when OPEC was meeting the whole idea. Was We know that oil demand in China is down because Corner Iras? What are we going to do well? Russia leaves the meeting and basically says nothing. Everybody can do whatever they want. Saudi Arabia responds with all right. We'RE GOING TO JACK UP. Production and depress prices. What does that do puts other oil producers e the ones here in Houston that are already sort of on the ropes in a panic. But all of this is tied again to grownups. You've been talking about it for the last thirty minutes the fact that we're getting mixed messaging the president basically saying don't be women go back to work. We're all set. This thing's perfect. We know that it's not global. Business leaders are taking massive action to protect people and riches said it a moment ago interest rate. That's what we saw last week. This interest rate cut. That wasn't going to do anything we've seen that we're talking about. Are People going to get paid sick? Leave not just if they work for a big company think about small businesses. Think about jobs. The millions of jobs that people cannot do from home. People who don't have health care who are working off the grid. We need to contain the situation until the administration is addressing containment. You're just going to see more and more businesses you're going to see investors. Say I've got to pull the plug right now. And that when people say fear is the scariest thing here. If you don't address the fear that puts us in a crisis situation so Stephanie. Just the situation at pays a pretty bleak picture of what's happening right now. Is there anything we know how much this president cares about the stock market? We know that his reelection chances are are closely tied to the economy is raining. He the federal government can do right now to try to stop this as we've already had interest rates be cut. Is there anything that he can do to try to boost the economy to slow the slide? Yeah what are you should do is do a better job. Reacting to virus spread itself. I mean I think that is the number one economic issue here. We saw the Fed cut interest rates. Half a percentage. Point didn't really do much of anything because low interest rates aren't going to get somebody to sell more products if they can't get products out of a factory in China because this is shut down because of the virus outbreak in similarly of customers are not going out and shopping. Not Getting on planes not getting on cruise ships. Not going to the mall. Because they're afraid of the virus. Low interest rates are not going to get them out there. This is not a repeat of the of the bounceback from the financial crisis. We need a different set of tools here. So that's what I think is so self defeating about the president's efforts to try to talk the market. That's not going to work. The market is down because of this fundamental problem. This virus is in addition to being a huge. Human problem is a huge economic problem. And that is the fundamental. Not only the president. Not Do that much. I think the Fed can't do that much. I think there will be some value in a fiscal package. It would be good to have some sort of stimulus because once. The epidemic is over putting some money in people's pockets especially if some of them have been out of work Have run up debt because of the because of the disruptions that will help but it will only help on the bounce back the thing that you really need right now for the economy is the same thing you need for the virus you need to. You need effective social distancing whatever. The measures are to slow down the virus as we look for this social distancing. I think that we also have to deal with the impact that will be disproportionate to those that are not in the economy in terms of being well a place in terms of services health services testing and have jobs that are not easily as moved to stay at home and other cases like that that you have in other communities will suming people in underserved communities can just use the same options and. I think that they have been totally ignored in this whole process of how we deal with the economy the economic reality of the corona virus. Yeah I think that's absolutely right. I think it's right from a human perspective that there are going to be. Individual needs and community needs that that vary from place to place and it's also true as an economic perspective again especially on the on the upswing from the virus you don't want to stimulate people out into the economy in certain ways when people should be staying home. It is about normally when I talk with economists over the last couple of weeks normally a an economic crisis caused by natural disaster. You get a relatively quick bounce back because you know the factories closed and they reopened and they run overtime shifts and they. They make what they would've made in the past. That's true when you have a relatively short crisis but when you have one that goes on for a long time people can run out of money that sort of thing and you need effective stimulus measures for that. But that's really gonNA be on the back end so at lose final word to you overnight. Stock futures of course plunging so low that they actually had to stop the trading oil futures lower than any time since nineteen ninety-one and the outbreak of the Gulf War. What are you looking for today? What are you expecting today? Well Monday. Whatever we call it the president's in connection will be to call for another half point interest rate cut and that will be completely eero. The Fed did so out of calendar a few days ago the markets actually collapsed it. It showed that the Fed panicking. This isn't a monetary policy problem as Richard and the reverend and others have just been pointing out. There's got to be a fiscal stimulus. Other countries are already developing. Their own stiffness. So it's not a question of whether there's going to be finished but what it looks like and I think the reverend made a very good point it has to be targeted. Those who need it those lower down the income scale those in the GIG economy. Those who don't get paid sick. Leave those whose kids schools are being closed but who don't have access to childcare. It's got to be targeted at Americans who need it that that's the kind of package I would like to see. President of the United States developing rapidly at a time like this analysts. Thank you so much for being on this morning and Josh Barrel. Thank you as well. Hey it's MSNBC's Chris this week on my podcast. Why is this happening? I'll be talking with. Ns kanter an NBA star. Who's been exiled from his native Turkey due to his religious beliefs. The Turkish government sent police my house in Turkey and they took every electronics away phones away. Computers away laptops away. They're rated the whole house and they took chunks away. They wanted to see if I am still in contact with my family or not. That's this week. I'm why is this happening? Search wise is happening. Wherever you're listening right now and subscribe.

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02/09/2021 - HOUR 2 - Russell Wilson, NBA

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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02/09/2021 - HOUR 2 - Russell Wilson, NBA

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Big facts on iheartradio app on apple podcasts. Or wherever you get show podcast. Thanks for listening to the heard. Podcast be sure to catch us. Live every weekday from twelve to three eastern nine pacific on fox sports radio and find your local station for the hurt at fox sports radio dot com or stream. It live every day on the iheartradio app by searching heard. You're listening to fox sports radio. It is nick. Writing for colin cowherd heard later this hour fifteen minutes. Oh my gosh been dreading this eric. Mangini joins us. I typically love having coach on. This is going to be wrong. I would bet white i. I'm out of money to bed. But if i still have money left to joy i would bet that before. Coach says a word he laughs and he's laughing at me when that happens. If you had any money that you should most certainly put money on that. That i can't even begin bats. You can believe it. We talked about it yesterday. you're now just rubbing it in that. I went over eleven just really just rubbing it. In that. i went over eleven. I went over five and makes you better know it. You know it doesn't because i know you. I know your level of responsibility. And i know that that while you're mad you over five it. You're not actually feeling a lot of pain. You're not like oh not going to be able to. You know not getting my nails done for a few weeks. Who juries of my fancy car payments going to go through. No you're fine. I'm moving money around the what my wife. You adore so much. I'm having do things like syntax like somebody sent. Send this going a lot going on in the right household. Why do you think. I picked up these extra shifts in a fox. Hey any time and a half or something. I gotta i gotta keep this going. Speaking of money joy there's three ways an employer can show respect to an employee. I said it wants money. Power respect and russell. Wilson already has the money. he doesn't have the power. And i think he's looking for the respect. And there have been these kind of odd rumblings. Like is russell wilson. Happy in seattle. Could russell wilson be available brandon marshal on a really brilliantly produced wonderfully broadcast television. Show called first things first. That's on from seven thirty to nine. Thirty am everyday on this very network of few weeks ago. Just kind of like almost in passing said. I'm hearing that russell. Wilson could potentially be unhappy in seattle and it was an odd thing because brandon marshall played in seattle seemingly has good relationship with russell but that was like the first. I had heard of it since on this show a year ago. Colin coward was floating the idea that to russell wilson sierra who he inexplicably always called ciara. I don't know why that has just. It's just like in his head. are they. Happy in seattle or do they want to go somewhere else. But then seattle gave russell wilson the money. They made him the highest paid quarterback in football. And we're hearing jason lockenfora tweeted last night. He's frustrated about the inability to protect him that maybe russell wilson wants a little more power and a little more respect as far as the seat at the table. He was on this morning with dan. Patrick and here's what he said about. I think that ultimately for me personally you know. I think i want to be able to be involved because of the day. It's your legacy it's your team's legacy it's you know it's the guys you get to go into the huddle with the day those guys you've got to trust. Are you involved in personnel decisions. Have you been involved personnel decision. Not not as much i. Don't you know if you want to be involved. Russ i get to help. I think it helps to be involved more. But i think that dialogue should should happen more often. So that's pretty telling from a guy who never says anything from a guy who every interview i've ever seen him. Do he finishes with go hawks from a guy who literally just won the walter payton man of the year award and as respected across the league is anybody and his team. I as anybody across the league. That is russell wilson. Not privately not leaking to a friendly writer. Who will source it vaguely. Russell wilson going on camera saying yeah. I'd like to be involved and no i'm not involved. He also then was asked about the reports. That teams called about his availability. Something that brandon. Marshall put a fine point on this morning on my show on our show i should say when he said the saints the bears. The jets. The raiders in the dolphins have all shown varying levels of interest in acquiring russell. Wilson russell was asked about trade rumors. And here's what he said too that. I definitely believe the guy calls for sure. I didn't think that anything anytime you're You know a player that you know. Try to produce every week and has done it for consistently. I think people are gonna call for sure. And i think it's part of the process franchise quarterback hall of fame quarterback. You're not available you. Well i'm not sure if i'm available or not at the question so that right. There is a really interesting answer. And i'm not criticizing russell wilson here but i am saying that i think in happier times with seattle this would have been russell. Wilson's very polished very clear. Very calculated answer. Well of course it's flattering to be wanted. But i can tell you. My plan is to play for one team. Only the seattle seahawks. There's an. I never want to go anywhere and i would be shocked if they are even considering me because this is the only place i ever wanna play. I don't think that's how russell wilson feels. And i do not blame him and there are two different avenues to walk year but they take us the same place. The first avenue is the respect which is if he wants a seat at the table. Give him a seat at the table. what i think. Some of these franchises don't understand. Is that if you are the houston texans. Do you know what everyone's job with. The texans should have been the last three months. Make sure to. Sean watson's happy. Oh he likes the equipment manager and somebody in. The building wants to fire him as happened this weekend. Not only equipment manager. Are you not fired. You're shawn's buddy you can have a race. You can have a new office. what do you want. And the same goes with seattle. Your franchise must be kept happy. Your franchise must want to be there. That is the whole purpose of the. Nfl is to get a player. Such as russell wilson so once you have him you hold onto him for dear life you are happy and count your blessings that for the better part of a decade. he didn't. There was no extra drama surrounding him. But the moment there is though you deal with it. That's your job. But here's the other thing and this is where it gets to the modern. Nfl and kevin clark mentioned it. I don't think russell wilson would want or demand a seat at the table. If every time he sat down for the tables yeah seat at the table trying to say if he had full faith that the seahawks were as all in as the team's against whom he's competing but think about russell wilson's experience in the nfl and what he has seen work he comes into the nfl. The seahawks made a very bold move. They had signed matt. Flynn two weeks into practices. Nope russell's are guy they were rewarded with two trips to the super bowl right before seattle started going to the super bowl. Who went the niners. You know how. Oh colin kaepernick. He's a backup nope he's the starter he's gives us. Our best chance will make that change midway through the year. Make the super bowl the next year and be for a short period of time one of the two best teams in the conference. Keep going philly. Oh we don't have a quarterback we'll trade multiple first round picks to move up to get a quarterback during the year we will be as super aggressive at the trade deadline. We will borrow from tomorrow's cap to pay today will win the super bowl. The rams oh. We don't have a quarterback we'll trade multiple first round picks to get him. Oh he stinks. Under jeff fisher. Jeff fisher you're out sean. Mcvay urine o. We need more weapons. Brandin cooks trade first round. Pick for you go go. They all went to the super bowl. The chiefs chiefs. Make the playoffs and alex smith. They win the division year after year. Not good enough. Trade up. Mahomes trade for frank clark from seattle by the way go win the super bowl. Make another one tampa. We're not satisfied. Go get brady trade up in the draft for worse go go gronk gogi. Ab go go go. That's every one that has made the super bowl and russell wilson's careers star quarterback with the exception of the patriots. All the other super bowl appearances. I didn't mention were made by the patriots. Who are doing things their own way. Seattle one wonders if it fancies itself a bit of the patriots of the northwest players. Play coaches coach. We're building something long term. We're building something. Sustainable were building a dynasty. The problem is there's no dynasty. They made the super bowl in russell second year. And what it. They made it back in year. Three and i haven't been back since. And i haven't been particularly close since and russell wilson is watching. I would imagine with frustration as the rams in the division. say nope trade for staffer. Better the niners. Oh i left out the niners there another team that made the super bowl what they do they went and traded for jimmy garoppolo. they kept. They kept pushing pushing pushing these. What's the niners. Make the super bowl. Watch the cardinals. Been a first round pick on quarterback after one year. Nope not going to be good enough to change. Everything and seattle is just standing pat. And i think russell wilson sitting there saying guys let me get involved because this this idea of just all bail you out all get sacked twenty five times more than mahomes. Did this year twenty six times more than brady this year. And you'll just expect me to solve everything that ain't gonna work. You know to quote frito from godfather to. I'm smart. you can listen to me. Give me a seat at the table. So russell wilson watching the seahawks. Just say no. We're going to build slowly when everyone else go go go and all those teams are making the super bowl and his team isn't his seems instead. Following the blueprint up and you can be like what blueprint is better. The patriot dynasty blueprint but the patriot has two ingredients that the seahawks don't have they brady and his greatest russes he ain't brady and belichick greatest is greatest caroline's he's not belching and by the way as soon as one of those guys left. Maybe it was brady's back in the super bowl belch six and ten so i don't think the russell wilson stories a non story. I don't think he's going anywhere. I don't think that's going to happen. But i do think they john schneider. Carol needed to look around that that war room they have and say let. Let's make room for another chair because russell wilson wants to pull up a seat to the table and if anyone's earned in its him she can pay guy with money power and respect and the best of the best in the world what they do want all three. He's got the money. He kind of has the respect now. He wants some of the power. You better damn. We'll give it to eric mangini. I'm guessing disagrees with everything. I just said. 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It ain't for the week hard man at a foot of sensitive big big. Thanks which operated up about real topics real situations and of course you know. We have no conversations with the biggest names in the coaches. Twenty-one savage is all big fast giving up we'll savage. what was going on with you. When you get to a certain level of belie- i that out of cards you got everything. I cannot help my community. And i live my people out of money. Where staring at me like like you. Complete like beer jar embiid fakes. Nothing is bigger than big facts. Make sure you listen to facts on the iheartradio app on apple podcasts. Or whatever you get your podcast know how we come. It is nick riding for colin on the heard. Twenty minutes from now. Kevin garnett got something exactly right. And then steve. Kerr went and undercut. Garnett's whole point unknowingly. We'll do that about twenty minutes from now joys gonna come up with her line news not come up with but joyce she's already got it ready going gonna do hard line news about ten minutes and if it seems like i'm stalling. It's because i am a bit. Because normally i really look forward to talking to this person but today i dread it but i just gotta get it over with The first one is going to be the hardest. We're joined now by three times. The guy who's going. Tom brady was drafted guys. Asia original adri. All this eric jeannie. Hi oh i heard you talk about me coming on and saying i was gonna make funny. You laugh at you. I think i've been very sensitive to your feelings during this difficult time where you are so incredibly wrong. I didn't text you after the game. He might call you after the game. I didn't. I didn't gloat about all the ways that you were wrong. And i think. I deserve a little bit of credit for that because of our friendship. And and how you know earned you know what i did. You didn't rub it in. That is true to coaches credit. He didn't robert in in fact he text me monday. Saying is are you okay yet. And i said i don't know and the follow up was okay just wanting to know how long i have to wait before i make fun of you and now you're on the show today so you did at least give me about a thirty six hour grace period okay. So here's my question coach. I wanted something near and dear to your heart about the game. Then we go big picture. I i thought this goes on the list of as far as deep into coaching performances. What bella check did in the first in the bills giant super bowl in one thousand nine hundred ninety against jim kelly and that seemingly unstoppable offense held them to the teens. What you guys did to the greatest show on turf and then what todd bowles did i understand the chiefs. Offense banged up. That's not the story there when you were watching it as a defensive coach what were you seeing. And what was your level of appreciation for what they were able to do. Well there there are few things that that i looked at and and i really liked the tampa bay was doing personal. They they did play complementary football. And and i know you've heard that term a million times but i thought all sides had had a very sound approach especially based off what happened the first game. The thing that tampa did really well this time is they. Were gonna take away tyreek hill and they were gonna play from heidel low and they were going to mix in some a bunch of split safety defense where they actually went up and were able to jam some receivers and there were multiple times or they had someone on tyreek hill and hitting him so that he couldn't get a clean release now looking at that. I really expected that. Kansas city would have run the ball more than they did. And i think that was was the biggest issue. They ran the ball. What nine times with With helaire and and three of those were in the first drive of the second half and and very effective. But when you've got to tackles that you know we're going to struggle and they're playing seven men box which gives you an opportunity to run and you don't run that that's a problem and it could have created so many other opportunities for the offense and look. I know it's hard when you're as prolific as they are passing the ball to think. Okay we're gonna establish running game but by not doing that. It caused problems. It caused real problems so if they were going to just drop back in pass than the quest and they score no touchdowns. I think the simple explanation. Mahomes didn't play very well. How much of this in your opinion is all mahomes. How do you think he played. No i don't think it's it's all a function of home there several times especially early in the game where guys were covered down the field and and look he did have less time than he traditionally has because of the problems that on the line and and how good tampa's defensive line Is and he scrambled for the first down. And that's what you do against split safety defense with with men and men everybody's got back turn and and he was able to go get some i and he made those incredible throws in the second half they were incompletions but there are some pretty incredible incompletions in the first half to the one that hit tyreek hill in the face mask in the end zone I think kelsey dropped one At least one in the first half that was another off-balance row that that mom's add it you have to. You have to help them. And as much as he is a a superman at some point you still have to be able to help that guy especially if if if the struggling all right. Let's go bigger picture now and let's never talk about the super bowl ever again. We didn't even get the but he did. We hear a lot of time. Yeah we got a whole off season. We got a lot of time all right so bruce arians said before the super bowl but it came out yesterday then he believes brady was motivated by proving. It wasn't all bella check. And i've talked with you a bunch about this and i don't i don't we don't need to rehash the ground of brady gets his sixth round pick. You guys saw these amazing traits but he you guys. Tom did it himself but also with a lot of great coaching molded himself. Into who he is now that to me is not the most interesting part. The interesting part is the end of the relationship. And that is what. I want to know when you you know both guys. If you think how much that motivated brady that brady believed i can still do it. And bill believed you're not going to be able to still do it. And i'm not going to be called late on this. I'm never lead on this and that even if you guys get all shared credit for the beginning the end was not how tom wanted it to be. So how much of brady this postseason this year was part of. Do you think bill. Bill gave up on me. Everyone's undocking bill. Thought i couldn't do something. And i'm gonna prove to everyone i can. How much do you buy into that. Why would understand why why. Tom got the feeling i. I really believe that. Tom wanted to go back. To new england and that it was his intention to finish out his career there and be able to do what he did this year. Again in new. England and defy the odds like he's always defied the odds in terms of how long your play and and and how we could do it defy really mother nature at a at this point and and one of the things that bill's been really good at is is moving on from players. And it's with a with a ruthless efficiency that other head coaches and other organizations haven't been able to do and he's done it for years and years where we're new england legends have either untreated or cut or whatever. Whatever the case may be now for tom. If you're there and you see it happen over and over and over again at some point you know it's probably going to happen to you and it did and tom. I believe finds motivational a lot of ways. But but that probably probably stung in and to nick. Remember there was the whole jimmy garoppolo situation even before that were there was discussion about moving tom. Arts so russell. Wilson went on dan. Patrick show today and said listen. I want a seat at the table when it comes to building my offensive line figuring out personnel. And i don't have a seat at that table. One of the things that i find very impressive about you is just in talking football with you. Even though i think you came from a very old school kind of football upbringing your opinions on these things seem to be more evolved in more modernized. And i think a lot of guys from not that you're an older era but from your football upbringing if you were running a team right now and you add a star. How much of a voice would you give him in the personnel side of things understanding. It's twenty twenty one and guys have different expectations than they did in twenty eleven two thousand one hundred nine hundred ninety one. Well nicki the personnel side of it isn't as clear cut as i think some people believe it is and the decisions that have to be made. They aren't arc clean and apparent. There's a huge process that that takes place between if you just look the draft process the amount of research the mon- of reports that that that are written the the level of discussion the slotting of the boards. There's hours and hours and hours of time that that go into that. And so if if someone wanted to be involved in that process if russell wilson wanted to be involved in that process i would love to but i would expect him to come in and actually do the things that that you'd need to do to be able to make the decision that that he wants to be a part of. I think he's smart. i think. Obviously the impacts him as much as anybody. But you just can't show up and say okay. I want that guy. I want that guy i want that guy and then you also have to look at it in terms of if you're talking about free agency. How does it fit into the salary. Cap positive fit into the locker room. There's layers to this. That russell could could handle and his input would probably be very valuable but it is. It is time consuming. And you just can't you can't just show up and pick coach. I appreciate you tell your son that your best son i forget which one it is. The one that the mahomes span. Tell him. i feel badly for your other sons under the brady fans tell them. I don't feel badly for the talk to you later coach. Thank you all right. We'll see later nick absolutely. This is my friend coach. Eric genie years joy with the news. This is the headline news. Sometimes driving is great but sometimes it's not so great like when it's pouring outside like when the snow is swirling. That's when you need new michelin endurance. Xt silicone wiper. Blades designed to repel water snow and ice. Get yours today only at walmart so the cowboys released a hype video to get fans ready for the twenty twenty one. Zero one important player was pretty noticeably. Absent from said video dak prescott. Who is still not signed term deal with the team was not featured any points in this video which fans and media took notice of obviously cowboys director of media in programming derek. Eagleton said it was a simple mistake. He tweeted this was a simple oversight. That should've been caught and corrected by us. Anyone who's making it seem like the cowboys. Decision makers use social media videos to make statements doesn't understand or take the time to understand how it all works trust me. There's no story here. Look perhaps this was just a simple oversight as he stated perhaps perhaps it was not so simple and someone said don't put back in any of the pre free seen hype videos. We won't know. Because how would we ever really get the truth on that because if anyone did in fact sell 'em don't put fell them. Don't put back in it if that got out. Those persons would most assuredly be fired. Here's the thing. The dallas cowboys. If you're the dallas cowboys fewer the green bay packers the new england patriots. If you're the los angeles lakers if you're an organization that we've pay an incessant amount of time and attention to whether you're good or bad now. The patriots made shirts off distance in the few years. Who knows but right now. Certainly do these little slights things matter so while it may have any simple oversight you have to understand the gravity of not putting dak prescott in a preseason hype video whether you think it's silly and nobody understands the process Which i can assure you people in the media absolutely understand the process of putting together these videos and what these all mean and how how this all plays a role in everything that we do. So maybe you talking specifically to fans. Because i hope he's not scolding the media on what this means this matters like maybe it wasn't oversight but it does matter. So here's i think the the lesson companies can learn and this is where i'll be good all the What do you call that of corporate person. Someone that's good for the. I can't think accommodate. Yes man accompaniment. that's the word. Thank you joy. I don't speak for living or anything but it's honest one of the things. This network does brilliantly and really. Well i feel is they understand the importance of social media producers. They understand that for your company's brand what you put on the internet is going to be. How so many people interact with you. Laureus on our show or angelina amount or ozzie. Who used to be on the first things first in now is out there in la. Those are great professionals. That know what they're doing. I'm not saying the cowboys don't have that person. By the way the cowboys person might be excellent but all of a sudden sudden. If you don't prioritize that position and have that position be someone. That really is buttoned up. You can put the wrong stuff out there and you can get yourself in a whole hell of a lot of trouble and so i'm not saying the cowboys persons the wrong person. I'm just saying there either. The wrong person or it's the right person just made a mistake or option c. Which is the one you're alluding to. This is like a mind game playing with that. Like oh you're not video frigging hype with algae look at these. Andy dalton highlights that. That's what happens. But to your point they up not prioritized back and they did not sign him to a long term deal not that they didn't offer him a deal but they didn't get this done so and they had plenty of time to do that. And that's wrinkles down like how you're treated at the top sprinkles down to everyone else like nothing. You don't respect him but this this is something it's not everything i'm just saying it's something so beca near nothing. It's perfect yes. While the work cut out for them to bring back most of their super bowl team when free agency begins bruce. Arians is confident that it will happen. And he's thinking one of his stars who is already willing to take less money he said. Mike evans is the most unselfish superstar ever met. He's told us to use some of his money if we need to do contracts to keep the team together. They have quite a list of notable. Free agents. Chris godwin shaq barrett antonio brown gronk levante david dominic and sue and leonard for naps. All of whom played a significant role in the success. They had this season. And in the postseason. Mike evans has three years remaining on his five. You're eighty two point. Five million dollar contract extension. He signed in two thousand eighteen years. A cap hit of sixteen million in each of the next three seasons and he's already restructured his contract twice since initially signing his extension is pretty remarkable. That he's listen offering that i. It is remarkable. I'd like you know. I hope he actually was. You know that wasn't just like in the champagne celebration that he said it. I give him some money and Like no take backs no get back to you. You said it I think joy you saw something. I think similar winning sometimes winning breeds jealousy. And i need my ninety nine. Sometimes it goes the other way guys like man especially guys who've made a lot of money. I'm rich already. i'm with money. Leftover like this was so gratifying. And so much fun. I wanted and i think you saw with the chiefs some last year like mahomes got that apple billion dollars and oddly left the money on the table because of how it structure then travis kelsey signed and under market extension. I think you saw some of guys. Let's try to run this back. And if that does happen with tampa that's the best thing you can possibly happen for him. And i do think there is something of a brady effect there because brady did not at every point of his career but the majority of contracts career. He took under market value any kind of sets the precedent for teammates in that regard. Yeah when you do a good amount of winning. It's easier to leave money on the table when you're seeing some of the benefits of outside money that comes in from winning. It's easier to leave money on the table. I don't count other people's pockets. And i'm not paying these contracts so to me i'm like make as much money as you can and if you want to leave money on the table great if you don't perfectly fine with that as well because this is what these guys do for a living. I also do not like using brady as the standard for someone. Leaving money on the table. Mike evans did not make tom brady money. Tom brady also married to the most successful supermodel in the world. Who is worse. I don't have in front of me. But like three hundred million dollars half a billion. Yeah just misses that as if it's nothing it's not nothing at all. It's very very significant. It's much easier to leave. Twenty million on the table when your wife and partner is worth three hundred four hundred million dollars. That's just like we all know how good somewhat grasping math in marriage like that. Doesn't matter so i i don't like holding onto that standard. I do think that this is cool and guys do that. And i don't but i also don't like saying it's like incredibly unselfish because then it kind of paints guys who get their money as being selfish and that's just not true right as bad and it also should not act is not expected right if anyone does it. That's their own choice and good for them but there is no expectation. You're if you're say. I wanna make as much money as possible. God bless you exactly so lamelo ball. I'm a fan. Had an incredible performance last night's in the hornets one thousand nine hundred ninety four win over the rockets. He's twenty four points with seven rebounds and ten assists also made a career high seven three point shots which makes him the youngest player ever to make seven three pointers in a single game. I was. I was very excited to see how he would play in his rookie season. How he would look in the nba. He has struggled a little bit in the mid mid range he was over six tenths inside the ark this game and he's been up and down in that space overall he's hitting fifty four point five percent of his shots in the restricted area. So he's he's still working on his mid range game. Which obviously he's a rookie is working on a lot of things. But if he continues trending in this direction as establishing himself as a long range shooter. It's going to open up. What is his incredible ability to pass. Which makes him an a an invaluable. Yes yes so i. He is emerging as a shooter and if he stays healthy he's gonna win rookie of the year without any shadow of a doubt. And there is. I do think will now weisman's been very good but i do think people are going to see all plays out step. Clay in mellow could have been a very interesting trio. Now maybe whitesman. When he's missed the last couple of weeks with a wrist sprain. I think and so i have nothing against him and nobody even talks about anthony edwards for december. Were terrible once again but melo is the one that appears to be making the biggest impact right now for you know decent hornets team. There's joy with the news. Speaking of speaking of for stopping by the news. Speaking of hoops. And speaking i can never get that right and speaking of the warriors. Steve kurds embarrassing comments. About what the warriors are trying to do. Kevin garnett's very interesting comments about today's players versus yesteryears players. They reminded me of each other. I'll explain that. Next nick in for colin on the heard be short catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine. Am pacific on fox sports radio f s one and the iheartradio app. Is anybody breath first. let's go. I'm leaving for mcdonald's in five seconds. The breakfast emptied meal. It's only at mcdonald's where there's a meal for every morning and nothing says morning. 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Deep dive on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts nick right in for colin and for all your last minute. Valentine's day needs head to one eight hundred flowers right now get twenty four multicolored roses for thirty four ninety nine or upgrade to twenty four red roses for just ten dollars more to order. Go to one eight hundred flowers dot com click. The radio icon and enter. The code heard thirty minutes from now. Peter king joins us. He is so much information in this week. Monday morning quarterback. We will discuss all of that with him. Fifteen minutes from now i. I will not abide anymore of the patrick mahomes defamation. That has gone on the last forty hours. Since the end of the super bowl we will discuss all of that in fifteen minutes. But first kevin garnett would they great take and i love caged but it is rare that you get a good take on current. Nba players by retired nba player. Seems like every one who doesn't play anymore like you know what stinks modern basketball. Who's not great. Modern basketball current players. But kevin garnett comes out with a perfectly logical and accurate. Take can we show the audience. Please and i'll read it to him when he dogs around. The game has changed quote. I don't think guys from twenty years ago could play in this game steph. Curry revolutionized thing being able to shoot it from distance with such consistency of even the guard from twenty or thirty years ago could play in this time. Right here it creative. it's competitive it's saucy. You'll get dropped. You'll get crossed over and break your acl. these days. He went on to talk about. Try to chase guy corner to corner on three point attempts and what cagey gets exactly right. And the with the folks who fetishizes the eighties and early nineties and the physical defense. And bill william beer and rick mo- orna and all of that failed to understand entirely is wild game used to be more physical. It was so much less sophisticated on the defensive end that it was so much easier to defend. Now you do have to know in cagey. The full quotes grade. Should read the whole interview. New york times talks about angles and the way the game has evolved and how it is so much more nuanced and difficult now and that part is one hundred percent true and i wish more guys from an earlier era would recognize that because far too often nostalgic can be you know to misquote rick. James stalled as a hell of a drug and it can make us recreate our brain. What basketball once was and downgrade. What it is today now. That does not mean basketball. Today is without its flow flaws or faults. I do think the games to relying on three point shooting. I don't blame anyone for that. Just that people understand the math of it. And i do think that the game aesthetically speaking. We're getting close to the rubicon of it. Only threes and layups the lack of the mid range game entirely does make the game slightly less watchable. So i do think those are fair critiques. But the most fair critique of the modern game is does everyone understand what the goal is or are we to focused only on the final goal. Which is a championship. And the reason i bring. That up is steve. Kerr said something yesterday. And i really like steve kerr that i found puzzling. The warriors lost again. They've lost three or four. They're currently out of the postseason and steph played in the mid low thirties minutes. Wise and steve. Kerr was asked about stepping his minutes. And here's what he said into law game. Were counting on having steph here for a long time. Many many years ahead and I'm not interested in grinding through this season or not throwing stuff out there for forty minutes to chase wins. We got another game tomorrow. One wants to be planning for many years. So we're going to stay very disciplined and keep them then. Thirty four thirty five hundred more so steph. Their step played thirty six minutes last night. He's averaging thirty. Three minutes for the season and last time was fine they lost. It's it's not the end of the world. But what steve. Kerr said where he said. I'm not trying to chase wins. Because why i understand that. We need to be careful with guys minutes. But i do think we could learn a bit just like the older era could learn. From this year we could learn a bit from the older that the regular seasons matter someone and this idea that because steps that claes out the warriors should punt on this season. I think is totally misguided. I defend patrick. Mahomes next anybody breakfast guys. Let's go. I'm leaving for mcdonald's and five seconds quite the breakfast stampede meal. It's only at mcdonald's where there's a meal for every morning and nothing says morning like a classic sausage mcmuffin with egg right. 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Fast Money 07/16/19

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Fast Money 07/16/19

"How do you identify attract and retain talent to grow your business? The answer is workday a single system that aligns your employees career goals with Your Business Goals shape your organization's future with workday a finance H._R.. And planning partner like no other it certainly does fast money does begin right now as always for the Nasdaq market site overlooking the beautiful just cool breeze of Times Square Brian Sullivan Melissa Today Your Traders on the desk our pizza Jerry Karen earned firemen Brian Kelly. Please welcome Jeff Bills from P._N._C. Jeff. Welcome thanks for coming in and you aren't so folks. Here's your setup the Dow squeaking out yet another record high today and for all of you bulls out there. There is one chart that could maybe we signal more gains ahead. We're GONNA show it to you because we're TV plus net flicks on their results tomorrow media mogul. Tom Raj will be here to tell you what the key is going forward for their streaming success but we in planes planes trains and automobiles the transport surging back today trucker J._V. Hunt crushing earnings the airline soaring that group up five percent in just the past week so is the classic Dow Theory The idea via the transports are going to lead the market back in Vogue. It's been around one hundred or so years. Pete Nigerian does that move the huge move for airlines railroads truckers mean that the there's an all clear. I don't think it's that easy. I don't think the markets are ever that easy. Everybody loves to say that theory did well. I would just say this. I would say that it's a great side and the airlines we've watched them produce and produce produce and people still yet don't WanNa seem to own a lot of the various airlines but when I looked at those delta numbers last week and everybody everybody it almost went by and nobody even talked about it Brian and yet they crushed it. They had a record second quarter so we know right now that they do have pricing power. They've got great deals with the credit cards when you look at United you look across the entire landscape right right now I think the pricing power that they've got is impressive and obviously with oil just kind of hanging around in this fifties sixties. That's sort of a range. I think that gives them a great opportunity to just keep printing money which is exactly what the airlines are but separate out the airlines from the rest. Yeah France points very different story on us. We Have C._S._X.. Earnings coming out after the close right now. It's worse-than-expected J.. B. Hunt's earnings last night. Were just slightly better-than-expected on weaker estimates. They weren't really that great now C._S._X.. SEX COMES OUT SAYS intermodal down said there's a slow drip down. It's not complete doom and gloom but a slow drip down. That's the story of the Interior economy. The airlines I think are very separate from the rest of what's going on in transport so I would not look at a broad index Jackson go. Oh everything's great in the market out there these C._S._X.. Numbers are not that great but I gotTa push back on. You'd be you got Canadian Pacific Norfolk southern those stocks thirty eight percent and they're down four percent after the close up thirty eight percent this year down four percent of in the reality is is that the earnings are not great that are coming out now. So whoever bought the last thirty eight percent was wrong well for thirty three percent they were right but the same argument do I do think that to to have this monolithic transports and have that that and be a proxy for the market doesn't make sense. I mean the the airlines which long airlines they seem to be great. Although every time <unk> I hang on too long. I don't know if I should sell some into which airlines Delta American united but the transport's be is a bigger story. Actually the real part of it saying C._S._X.. is coming out with this. What I'm afraid of the trade situation you bet the uncertainty they're looking you know they said their second half is going to be down and we're seeing uncertainty and so for why the market's been trading on this tide of macro events now we're getting into the nitty gritty the earnings? That's what I like to see and so oh to see rail earnings like this be this disappointing that that Jeff it's funny because the two railroads that you think would be most smack down by the trade fight at least with Canada and Mexico Canadian Pacific and Kansas the city southern which has a lot most of its revenue crossing the border. They're up thirty two and twenty percent this year. Are you surprised by that strength. Yeah I am a little bit surprised but look at the transports more broadly yeah. It's been a nice move. I like to see them doing a little bit better better but as a broad index there's still quite a bit below the highs previously so to believe this move. I want to see a breakout pass those old all-time highs if I'm being optimistic. I think that maybe this supports our view that we're going to see a cyclical bottoming in p._M.. Is I think you're still all-seeing. Tighter financial conditions flow through the economy. I think lower interest rates will start to support so I think that's a good thing but if you're looking for confirmation for the for the market overall I still think there are things out there to look at. If you look at the breadth of the market it's widening being out marketed and a good way look at equal weighted indexes volumes day two thousand seventeen days. It doesn't tell the whole store you are seeing market. Cap Weighted Index is an equal weighted index to perform together. That's a good thing look at credit spreads. The triple B credit spreads of hit a fifty two week lows so thinking about liquidity the credit markets these are good things and it based on our work. We don't see sentiment is overly exuberant at this point so I think you take the transport move with a little bit of grain of salt. Look at some of these other areas of the market and I think the setup is generally good looking out over the next six to twelve anybody around the table believed that the overall market yes and P.. Five hundred is overheated is too high. I bet to that overheat. It's probably not but not the word I would use but I'd be extremely cautious. I think the biggest risk that you have here is things stagnate not that we necessarily go into recession but because of the uncertainty the Karen was talking about things stagnate. That's what you're seeing in these earnings here and then at at that point you have to wonder what does the market do. Have we priced in too much at this point in time. I would just be incredibly cautious. I don't think I mean maybe we get a cyclical bottom. Of what if we don't have things to stall. That's a problem well. The one thing I think all of us here have I've been doing this. A long time. That history is told us is that markets could remain or irrational. Maybe overvalued and I say that in air quotes a lot longer than we think there were people ninety eight who were saying we're doomed. They were right but they were two years too early. Which means they were wrong? Yes absolutely the One thing I'd had to you. We talked about volumes. You just did a second ago Brian when you look at the July volumes in the drip is world and the derivatives world is what I look at not only because I came from that world on the options nations floors in Chicago but when you look at when leverage was taken away after the financial crisis where did that volume move it moved into the world where I am in the derivative side. We are seeing right now. Low low volumes to your point. I mean we're three million a day under the average. We've only had three days in derivatives in the derivatives. We've only had three days so far in July that have actually hit the average for the entire year so at nineteen point three million per day so we are seeing low volumes which is odd because here we are in earning season and you would expect to see those volumes really rushing back in so what does seeing those other than maybe a lot of institutional interest. It tells me that the participation right now is starting to back off a little bit. We've got volatility. That's low and Karen and I were talking about. At this earlier but protection right now is cheap and we talk about it all the time and yet people don't like they don't like to hear it but when you can buy these levels protection at twelve and a half over a portfolio on the S. and P. Five hundred. That's a great time to be fire but when it comes when you've got that hurricane often the case. That's exactly what I'm saying. I'm cautious right now. I'm not necessarily saying you need the dump everything but why not buy some volatility at the level right why not protect yourself there are enough concerns out there that you should be at least protected. That's my point well Karen. It's like we we look at low volume as a negative sometimes but you know if you like your car you keep it you hold onto. It and I wonder if low volumes are telling us that there's no buyers but maybe there's no sellers either. The people are happy where they are under sticking with it right well so that that to be read a little of complacency a little. I don't know you could say complacent on either side as a buyer seller but to me I think Pete's point is so it's so on target the volatilities coming in here. I'm I'm always long. No matter what no matter how scared I am or how bullish 'em Moi's long. That's what I do so I'm not going to sell things into a trade war that I'm afraid of but I gotta own protection. If the VIX is going to stay here I gotTa buy more for protection that hopefully I'll lose money on the market to go up but Brian to your point about the market being able to stay expensive for longer than we think. I hate to make this argument because over the long term it's not a good one but look at the equity risk premium with what rates have done. It continues to blow out. It's the Tina argument argument. There is no alternative. It's going to be good in the short term for equities it forces people out the risk curve again over the long term. Look out over the next decade probably means lower return for equities but for now I feel like people are being pushed into risk assets and that's good for multiple by the we've got earnings alert out on one of the names that you own one of the transports that is United Airlines Philo gave you a couple of minutes. Look at those numbers here house United Airlines numbers look. They're strong numbers Brian and that's why the stock is moving a little bit higher plus. There's a piece of news in the earnings report. We'll get to in a little bit look. It comes down to this strong domestic. Demand is the reason that they beat on the top and the bottom line in the second quarter they have also raised the lower end of their full year guidance but for the second quarter in a row united will not detail the exact impact in terms of dollars and cents of having the seven three seven Max grounded. All of this raises the question what is United's plan when it comes to dealing with the Max not that they have a whole lot of choices right now so we're just everybody's clear here they have extended. How long that this plane is off? The scheduled through November third. The capacity is being brought down for the full year was five to six percent growth now. They're saying look it's only going to be three to four percent because there may they may not even have the Max back by the end of the year fourteen in the fleet have already been grounded remember. They're scheduled to get another sixteen this year. Realistically that's probably not going to happen which may be the reason why buried deep within the note. If if you read all the way down you found that united in the second quarter purchased nineteen used Boeing seven three seven seven hundreds those will be into the fleet starting in December. They're not disclosing the price nor are they disclosing who the seller is but guys this speaks to the need to make sure that they have the seats for their capacity growth plans as they move into twenty twenty so again they're buying nineteen used Boeing seven three seven dash seven hundred. We're GONNA be talking with C._E._O.. Oscar Munoz about this as well as a number of other things tomorrow morning you do not want to miss this interview exclusively on Squawk box starting at eight A._M.. Guys back to you that is going to be a big one. There is a lot to discuss with Oscar Munoz there as well okay Karen. We'll start with you. You said Joan it. Numbers are pretty good. Numbers are pretty good. What's really interesting is look at the run? This has this has happened since the end of May I think it hit the high seventies now here we are in the mid nineties. That's been quite a run in the bars been higher earn higher earnings and even beat that all that having been said though the airlines have getting a little time to do some pe- playbook and sell some calls against it. I think which I've already done I own united. I've sold calls on today. I own southwest is well. Today I ruled my calls out a little bit further into August and a little bit of upside. Try to collect the August fifty five and I get a little over a dollar for those so that's I agree with you. I don't know that we're going to see these airlines absolutely take off no pun intended but I think they continue to grind higher and if they're going to do that I'm going to sell calls against it Brian and be able to take in that premium and watch these things that they moved to the upside and get a little protection to the doubts. I guess a point and a question I mean the point where you wonder how much earnings growth there is. If the fleet's aren't getting any bigger planes can only be one hundred percent full. I mean once you've got the load factors they call it almost completely jammed in on every frigging fight rising our baby pricing then you start to but then you get to a point where the fares to hire people say you know what I love. They haven't gotten there yet. They haven't gotten there yet and we all fly and we see all yeah we don't we don't nobody around. This table needs an analyst right to tell them about the airline business because we all have our own little cubicle right at Newark Airport or but you wonder. Where is that pricing power lost? Where's the cap where the non essential business traveler says? I can't swing it up one other thing that everybody forgets about how about the money that Delta makes through the American Express deal in that partnership they've got there that is a is a number. That's free money coming into them for the most those part I mean it's incredible how much money they're making in different areas that people just seem to discount they look at just one specific metric. I think there's other metrics to look at at some of these. Partnerships are really starting to pay off as well. I would just say if you're worried about that and I think that's a legitimate concern about at some point the pricing power fly coach from Newark Cincinnati so I'm looking at the stock trading right so you've got a hundred dollars is where we was the high that we had back in two thousand eighteen. We're getting pretty close to that right so you can use that. You can sell L. calls against that. You can use that as a place where you might WANNA target to sell out of them so I think it's it's not a bad point to say listen. Maybe it doesn't double top here. Let's be cautious. Okay hold on guys. We've got a news alert on new skin stock just painting path for our Seema mody what's going on. Hey Brian. Here's a story new skin is issuing a warning it now sees second quarter earnings coming in below forecasts eighty to eighty four cents versus the estimate of ninety four cents. The company says it's primarily due to a reduce revenue outlook outlook in mainland China following the government's one hundred day campaign to review and inspect the health products and direct selling industry's the company also mentioning the negative impact of the stronger dollar you can see the stock is reacting Bryan's down about fourteen percent in extent trade. It's also been a tough year in general for the company back to you. Thank you stock down twenty five percent this year thirty nine percent over the past year one of these multilevel marketing companies anybody here aw ever owned it and use the product. You know what I mean. I use olive oil. You Look Great. Don't tell constraining to so badly. All all you need wimpy. I thought he was the stronger character Popeye family anyway guys come back. We can to transport. It's funny we focus on united and Delta everything like this. The best performing the airline stock in America is not only allegiant small company but one that sixty minutes did a deep dive in basically escapees on allegiant if you will and yet the market didn't care. There's so many weird things going on with some of the names in this space yeah I. Yeah I wouldn't wanNA touch allegiance I wouldn't want I wouldn't want to touch them for an investment nor would I want to necessarily fly on. That's my personal decision. I happen to think you stick with the majors though because if there's going to be any type of pricing power there's the ones that inhabit the planes are still full and they're still a little bit okay so don't dabble. Maybe in the smaller cap transports is what you're saying all right coming up facebook facing congress and feeling the heat but we'll Congress's anger really hurt the companies or their sharable plus. There's one Chart Jeff. Mill says could help you catch up to this record rally one group that hasn't come along for the ride yet but could as always we're live from Times Square New York City much more fast money right after this stick around teams are hooked. There's a voice my brain they told me to do it. Cure very cigarettes. Curse vaping is no safer than smoking. Watch vaporized America's the cigarette addiction Monday at ten eastern only on C._N._B._C. All right welcome back to fast money everybody the S. and P. Five hundred is hovering near record highs but the little guys really haven't been coming along for the ride small caps down nearly ten percent from their fifty two week highs but doc. Let's now take a look at the chart of the day Jeff Mills of P._N._C. brought along and Jeff. You say something something good may start to be bubbling up for the Russell two thousand. What do you see it yeah? I think there could be an I'll get to the details of the chart in a second but one of the questions we get from advisors clients. All the time is look at this divergence between small and large is this telling us something about the sustainability of the rally and it could be problematic. There could be bearish implications because small caps are not keeping up as M._p.. At all time highs small caps more than ten percent away from their own all-time highs this only happened three times in the past forty years so we went back and took a look at well what happened during those three periods. It's not necessarily a robust sample size but what we saw in every one of those periods was small caps eventually catch up and make their own all-time highs so again not a huge sample size but it gives us an idea of what might happen in this environment and like I mentioned credit spreads before they still look pretty good. You have money supply accelerating so I don't think small caps lagging is necessarily a commentary military that there's risk aversion in the market and that the S._N._p.. Can't sustain its highs. I think it actually may be more of a commentary on the fact that banks for example or the largest industry grew by far in the Russell so there may just be an individual industry group problem there you go to the chart so the Russell hasn't made much progress to all time highs. It's been trading in this channel what you're seeing under the surface. Though is the new twenty day high list so new one month highs starting to expand your now crossing that thirty five percent threshold there so thirty five percent of issues in the Russell Russell now making one month highs this generally a good thing when you look at the returns and the Russell over the next six to twelve months so if history is any guide if this internal expansion we're seeing within the index is any guide we could see a catch up in small caps over the next number of months because the gap jeff between the small caps and the S. and P. Five hundred. I don't know if it's never been wider but it's really wide in terms of the performance over the last year or so. They're just doing this. That's exactly right and I think a lot of it has to do with the interest rate environment we've been in and what's happening to bank so I think that's been a big driver and again. I don't know it's a commentary on the broader market but to your point. It's only happened three times. It's very very unusual for the gap to be this wide but history tells us that there is usually a catch up trade to be had and I like what's happening under the surface purpose as it relates to the broadening participation okay good stuff there. We are watching the small caps for more on the small caps and maybe what it means for the market you can go to trading nation dot C._N._B._C. dot com big tech under fire three major hearings on Capitol Hill and facebook's libra holding its own top analysts will tell you the stocks that could be the big winners the Crypto crazier live is always the Nasdaq what's more fast money right. After this South Asia remains the fastest growing region in the world and will wake up two thirds of Global middle-class consumption by the year twenty fifty at Matthews Asia. We've been investing in Asia for over twenty five years and our mission is to champion an Asia focused investment solutions may profit from this growth and build wealth for our global clients over the long term. Find out what a dedicated allocation to Asia can add to your portfolio at Matthews Asia Dot com slash opportunity. Welcome back to fast money. We've got a news alert breaking right now on qualcomm. Josh Lipton has the very latest Josh. That's why Brian Simpson headlines drop from qualcomm Reuters is reporting that the U._S. Department of Justice has asked a federal appeals court to pause imposition of this antitrust ruling against qualcomm apparently with support from the energy and Defense Departments. You will call back in May this judge ruled that the chipmaker had violated needed antitrust law sided with the F._T._C.'s had qualcomm was suppressing competition qualcomm disagree with those conclusions and his filing an appeal of that decision but also asked the ninth circuit for a stay in other words put on hold altuve the remedies until this appeal is heard and now the government apparently saying yes you should grant that stay in qualcomm moving higher here in the after hours Brian Back to you guys. Thank you very much. Something stock is up about three percent on that news anybody going strong opinion on qualcomm. It's been this has been a court qualcomm court case and litigation and settlement words we have used with the stock for the better part of five to seven years. That's I mean that's been the bet on the stock right. If you're long stock you're betting that these court cases are going to go their way. It looks like Lille Armitage yeah but what's interesting about this. I think is that it kind of goes to the idea that the supply chains because of the trade war might be in jeopardy and I think that's what's driving this some of what's going on with five Ajay the DOD and the Department of Energy needs some of what they have <hes> for that so it could be kind of a side casualty of the trade war or benefit of the trip because of all this litigation though the problem I have with it is that's going to continue I think I don't know that this is the last thing we're going to hear in that whole and it's been going on forever as you mentioned multiple years. I bought Micron today about the stock there. I added to an Intel position that I have and I have A._M._d.. Calls so I like some of the other names where I don't have to deal with all these headaches of well what what's going to happen next and how long is this expands ends green macro question Karen. Should you ever own stock. That effectively is a legal arbitrage play I mean are you buying it based on the expected outcome which is by the way a guess unless you're say star patent attorney or antitrust attorney on how well how judge jury is GonNa Decide Yeah. It's too complicated for me trying to figure out all right if these sweeping changes are implemented if they lose here if they say they get the state and then it goes and then they lose an appeal I it's too complicated agree with Pete other ways to try to play own in other words too complicated or too complicated there on qualcomm. QUALCOMM is certainly a name. I mean it's done well. It's US thirty percent in the last twelve months thirty six percent in the last six months but I think everything is priced then maybe it is. There's always that five Jeez always like the thing that they're going to change everything all right sticking with technology. There are three major tech hearings on Capitol Hill Today D._D.. Roy's in San Francisco hitting one angle l'envoi in Washington D._C.. With another let's start with WHO's got the latest from the Google testimony Adidi Hi there Bryan that's right. We've been monitoring the Senate. Judiciary Committee hearing on Google and Censorship lawmakers have been asking some tough. Of questions of Google policy chief Karen Bhatia questions revolving around privacy and antitrust issues as well as another topic that has made headlines The last few days whether or not Google is working with the Chinese government he was asked that by Senator Richard Sir Richard Blumenthal earlier today and here's what he said have you found any evidence of infiltration of your management or your private data by Chinese intelligence absolutely not senator as Google made had any decision about its contracts with the United States government based on pressure or in consultation with China absolutely not as Google turned over or in any way turned a blind eye to a League of its it software or private data to Chinese intelligence absolutely not we take extremely seriously that the threat of any penetration our systems and again and Google policy chief Karen Bhatia. They're are categorically denying that Google is working with the Chinese government. These comments are stemming from comments that Peter Thiel made earlier this week alleging that perhaps Google is working with the Chinese government calling the company patriotic and that's something thing that president trump also responded to saying he would be looking into that we are continuing to monitor this hearing and we'll flag any further headlines onto you back to you Bryan. Thank you very much so big technology antitrust and facebook's new Lieber coin also hot topics picks on Capitol Hill today. Let's get more now for the capital of Wall Street which is Washington alone with all the details their lawn O'Brien the day did start with facebook under fire as the Senate Banking Committee held a hearing on the new crypto currency libra lawmakers wanted to know how to work who will regulate it and how facebook plans to make money from it but ultimately their concerns boil down to trust trust is something you earn and facebook book certainly hasn't earned it. What what kind of faith do we have in labor? Can we agree that a banker should be trustworthy. I don't WanNa get into the technical stuff. I'm talking about the trust issue chairman. I wish we couldn't trust facebook. It's pretty clear there's almost nobody in this Schmidt the does now I am over in the house where facebook along with Google Amazon and apple just testifying before the judiciary committee as part of its broad antitrust investigation and lawmakers here tried to make the case that these big tech giants are not only the dominant players in their space. Sometimes there are the only players is competition to facebook a yes congressman there is we faced fierce competition for all all the products and services that we offer people come to who would be the competition if I might <hes> so many many of our competitors secret. Many of our competitors are sitting here at this table with me in that thank you and unique chair in a unique position among those who seated at the table Brian the companies tried to argue that they encourage innovation not stifle it back to you and thank you very much already guys just trade this. I mean there's a lot of trade here Jeff. I I'll P._N._C. View on facebook. I mean one of the biggest companies most powerful companies in the world. We'll take a view overall technology for example and we think in this part of the business cycle where like I said you may see a little bit out of a bottoming but we don't think we're going to see a massive acceleration. We still think the companies in technology these secular growers that can grow top and bottom line a lot more than say the broad market they are going to require a premium from investors. They're going to move into those names. We still like those names as it relates to all the antitrust. We actually went back with all this going on. We looked at fifty years worth of data and perhaps not surprisingly D._O._J.. F._T._C. investigations their underperformance before and after but it's interesting if you look at some of the larger cases so when you look at the top ten market cap they've only been antitrust ruling put against eleven of them so the performance there is decidedly mixed and I think what you're seeing right. Now is the market give the benefit of the doubt because you're still seeing that secular growth in those names so I mentioned the equally weighted index is technically weighted index next doing very well versus. The market cap weighted index so tech is not just those names you can get broad exposure to technology companies that are able to grow outside of just the names that are in the crosshairs here. We just talked about Karen Litigation risk. This is congressional risk regulatory risk at the trust risk. Would it scare you off of facebook. Now I've long. I hate it Google Long. I hate that also I I hate. I hate watching things like the a show I gotta say I'm very troubled by either Peter Theo coming out and saying Google may have engaged in seemingly treasonous behavior. He's a big sport over the president big competitor to Google and the president saying yes. Let's take that up and take a look looking at that. That's troubling that he can do that and the president will react the way you deal. Peter Peter also founded Pailin tear the big secretive private. I know Peter I mean so he may have some sort of viewpoint on the security side that wasn't clear in what do you think I would say this. I on facebook as well. I voted for quite a long time. What I like about facebook is the more regulatory the comes down the better the motives for facebook and then actually keeps out competition so because of at the more they're pushing on them and the amount of money that sucker Berg said about a year ago that's when that stock got slammed and it was because the amount of money he said we're going towards security? They got so many verticals where they can make money right now. It's not just facebook which everybody focuses is on instagram. It's messenger. It's all the various and e combat. I will just I know there's other factors I get it but just remember when Microsoft got attacked for antitrust by the government it took fifteen years for that stock stock to get back to the level it was before the antitrust case could be also collect. We had all but Microsoft's focus was wrong right. I mean don't we all said there were other factors. That was a huge factor. Awful has is a really big one. It's from the noon love your we mentioned facebook's new Lieber coin but your next guest says that liebers road deregulation may have a buddy bumpy ride ahead is bringing out Lisa Ella senior research analyst at Moffitt Nathan Lisa. What do you think is going to first off? Do you believe libra will ever actually exist. Will it be allowed by the U._S.. Government we've bought the probability on that at reasonably low. If you define success as libra gets off the ground and is used as a functioning alternative currency and say ten developing markets where they suffer from very high inflation. We'd probably just put a number on on it. Put the probability of getting there probably less than twenty percent and certainly the timeframe measured in years. You know three five or more years so don't you can own facebook but don't buy facebook because of Libro or its parent. That's I think that's right. I mean there's a huge opportunity and facebook for e-commerce just using the normal old Fiat currency types through instagram and what they're starting to do with instagram checkout up through facebook marketplace and extending the early initiatives. They've got around e commerce. That's certainly a reason to be bullish about facebook but I but but libra in many ways it's very futuristic. It's very experimental. It's it's it's something that would be years away in terms of financial impact. You know it's interesting. Lisa is a little bit off topic but we just talked about Microsoft you remember I don't know how long you've been following micro. Remember Microsoft effectively sort of tried to create its own not blockchain but like with Zun their their music player. They basically had their own payments system in a way you bought points and I first thing I thought about Lebron was in that didn't work for a lot lot of reasons that we just talked about but will this affect the payments the paper towels of the world or can everybody kind of get along. If this ultimately is approved yeah I mean it's being designed in a way that they're all working together so paypal visa MasterCard undercard pretty notably of all raised their hands to participate or at least an indication that they would be willing or interested in participating. I guess this point it's nonbinding in the Libra Association and so they are all planning to roll up their sleeves and try to work together to figure out if there is a design in the applicability of crypto currencies in payments so very early days but they're certainly all at this point trying to collaborate <hes> to collaborate on the initiative release its P._K.. So I'm curious why did facebook do this. They didn't have to write. They had to anticipate there was going to be a lot of regulatory pushback. What what else is going on here? They trying to to use this technology in a different way. What do you think well? I mean I do think they look at their user base and the striking thing about facebook's user base across all the platforms is that something like seventy percent of it is in developing markets like not in the U._S. and in Europe and North America Europe and when they look at enabling or empowering commerce for those users literally billion billion plus one point six one point seven users a big enabler of of commerce for those users users is actually an enabling financial services enabling payments and a crypto currency which can function as an alternative to Fiat currency as sort of this global currency. That's not subject to the very very high inflation sometimes some government controls around currencies. That's really what they're after thereafter empowering commerce in close to one hundred countries around the world that the W._T._o.. Qualifies as High Inflation Asian countries. It's like those countries where actually many many millions of of individuals in the population are actually on the facebook platform usually on what's up Lisa Ellis of Muffin Nathanson. Thank you very much all all right. So what's your prediction will lieber exist. We'll libra succeed. I think liberal exist. I think it's GonNa be a longer road that a lot of other people expected <hes>. Will it succeed. I think it's going to be it'll. It'll probably work as a payment system. That's what they're trying to do. My view on this what they're trying to do is compete with chat. They're trying to make a super APP and that's why they added this payment part to it is going to work <HES> I. It depends what you'd find work the more. I think we're making too much but you just basically eliminate the need to type in your pay pal information. Is something a little bank account so it's a pain from your store difference between inventive. I feel like it's more of an Ebay to be honest with. I'm just trying to sell stuff. We gotta go domino's getting sliced thinking on the back of its earnings. The CEO just sat down with Jim. We're going to bring you his comments ahead about what happened what he thought of the quarter plus Netflix that with their numbers after the bell media mogul Tom Rogers says the stock is virtually unbreakable streaming wars to find out what has him so bullish. He's coming up next here on fast money. Stick around net flicks is gearing gearing up for its results tomorrow. I'm not gonNA say earnings because we don't know if they're going to earn anything. Stock is up more than thirty five percent this year. The streaming war certainly heating up. Let's bring in Tom Rogers Executive Chairman of Win View Salsa Former C._E._o.. Of Tibo and former for N._B._C. Executive and a guy very closely associated with this fine network. Tom Thank you thanks her as well. So do you think they'll be earnings. In netflix earnings report they ever make real money well they. They have gap earnings what they don't have yet is free cash flow and they have a pretty deep hole on the cash flow side <hes> projections or three and a half billion dollars of cash losses this year. I don't think that really goes to the essence essence of the story that well. We're not going to know this quarter. Is Anything about friends or frenzy. We're not going to know what it means to lose any of the content because that hasn't taken effect yet won't for a while and the frenzy meaning H._B._O.. L. Max Apple Plus D plus. We're not going to know the effect of any of that stuff yet because it hasn't launched what we are going to know is the pricing power that Netflix has because over the quarter they took some major price increases increases both domestically and abroad yep <hes> fifteen to eighteen percent domestically the standard and the premium package up to box similar types of price increases in western Europe western European countries were Netflix on euros basis. It's actually three more expensive than the U._S.. And we're going to see whether or not there is churn there whether they really had disruption or they're able to hold the base with those price increases. Now expectations are very low for U._S.. Domestic of <hes> less than half a million my guess is they're going to beat on that because they projected very very low guidance on the on the U._s. a little bag maybe perhaps you know stranger things than that good one. Ah I got no credit for friends in frenzy because friends of moving off to A._T.. And T. Warner media. Here's the thing okay so you you you help build C._N._B._C. The wealthiest audience television so maybe not the right one to talk about this with but how many streaming if I go to Apple T._v.. Which I use at home how many streaming platforms do you believe the middle class family the bread and butter this country is realistically going to afford or can't afford well? It's a great question because as people cut the cord and I actually think this quarter we're going to see some record court cutting and that's going to raise the issue of okay. Hey as people cut the cord. How many streaming service they're going to take on your question? My view is Netflix is going to be the overwhelming based streaming service in everybody's home. There's GONNA be a fight between everybody else as to what the second third third four streaming service going to be but Netflix is spending so much more money than anybody else when you look at H._B._O.. Talking about H._B._O.. Max Having a couple extra bucks go into seventeen dollars even assume half of H._B._O.'s thirty eight million subs chubs take that two bucks that's three hundred four hundred million dollars of incremental revenue year Netflix is going from fifteen billion to twenty billion programming costs over year. Nobody else is going to touch that that is going to be the mainstay as a result result the original programming because its original programming that drives new subs and quite frankly hold subs so let me ask you so you're saying Netflix says that their way out ahead nobody's close but of the the Disney's the A._T. and. Whatever else is out there? <hes> over the over the top space who has a chance of surviving. Not all of them can well. Where's Apple? I you know I think there's going to be room for multiple players. I think when you when you think about what is a little detached from reality Disney's gotten fifty billion dollars of incremental market cap since it's made streaming announcement in April okay. It's got a few million subs on E._S._P._N.. Plus hasn't isn't launched Disney plus Kulu. Now it's going to be able to go international but has an announced any numbers on it whatsoever and they gotta buy back comcast a third of it at full market price in five years <hes> there's a lot of risk there and they're getting fifteen billion dollars about one third of Netflix market cap does that mean Disney is going to make I think they probably will but I don't think that it is going to necessarily mean that we have this massively transformed company going on a clear upward word trajectory that <hes> look tight on time with the exception of betting in Europe win view. What is the most exciting company that you see right now the most exciting company I see right now in the space? It's gotta be netflix streaming streaming. No young buck coming up. That's company to watch Netflix is in Bangladesh. It's in Nigeria. It's in Ethiopia. I'd like to see the H._B._O.. Max Plan for entry into Ethiopia and U._S.. The nominated dollars that are being paid their the hit against a net flicks is oh it's subs. Internationally are worth very much their average subs. They're nearing one hundred million subs their their average subs nine to ten bucks. They just took a twenty ninety five percent price increase in Japan nineteen percent in Canada. There is a lot of room on this thing still and I think if I had to pick something that's really exciting. It's that one and I tell them. I remember people on this network years ago saying D._V._D.'s by mail will never work. Nobody wants that. We've got blockbuster video or twenty million subs. They were going to have to cut-price get anymore. Growth Look at that and they've done well. Tom Rogers win. Thank you very much Thomas a real pleasure to get your views net flicks love boasts exciting company out there still still right now and you'll love it. I do because cash flow positive but made no ever will be well. I mean if they never will be. We help problem but I mean that's been. There's been plenty of companies that burn through cash like that. It's all about that original content and that's what they have to do right now in that kid who let's keep Amazon for twenty years isn't it yeah burn through cash. I O net flicks not bought a little over a year ago. I pitched this one as well. Everybody voted against me. Why did they go to because they didn't see the vision that he sees right now? In terms of the international growth pricing power and they've got both those people see that view that's why he founded C._B._C.. Executive vigil whatever are still at A._G.. Getting slammed today one trader says there's more pain to come though it's not gonna get any better. We'll break it out and talk about why checkout the Kramer Cam Jim Cramer speaking with Domino C._e._o.. That's DOT COM roasted today for those comments right after the break all right welcome back to fast plenty well the standout stock not a good way today was dominoes pizza deep easy sinking nine percent reported disappointing sales this morning C._o.. Rich Alison commenting on that a- and growing delivery competition with our own Jim Cramer just moments ago part of what we're going to see here in the near term is that there's so much investor subsidy into that business model right now. We're not really sure where it's going to shake out long-term because there's substantial discounting overinvestment in advertising right now to drive consumer demand. We don't know how that's going to shake out. Once consumers actually have to pay the full the cost of that delivery because those fees are quite substantial relative to the cost of the underlying food. You can catch that full interview tonight of course on mad money right after this program six P._M.. Eastern B. K. and Jeff you guys both viewpoint on Domino's well. What's interesting is that these numbers weren't horrible right so they still were growing? It's just not as fast as the street expected and the question then becomes. Is You know everybody's concerned about Patrick. Doyle retiring is the growth over he was certainly a visionary there <hes> what impact is pizza hut having on it and just talked about the fact that you can get delivery from anywhere at this point in time. It's not that unique so it's it's to me this no touch right now because of all those Jeff Yeah and just looking at the charts for example after the move we it's all after hours of broke below. The fifty day broke below the two hundred days so I think in the near term you could probably see a little bit more weakness in the stock. The debt levels in the company are still relatively high so I think that limits the company's flexibility going forward a bit and when you look at Domino's compared to the peers the international national footprint is quite a bit larger so to the extent that global growth has been a bit worse than growth domestically here in the U._S.. I think Domino's is probably a little bit more exposed to so for now. We're going to stay away. Okay two goes there. All right crew getting crushed today. We're GONNA talk energy stocks because they got taken down with the oil companies here one trader though just betting that the oil problems are going to continue details after the break Walker back the fast money crude oil prices falling today on comments from Secretary of State Michael Pompeo who said a cabinet meeting that Iran is prepared to negotiate with the U._S. about its missile program that also brought down energy stocks energy had been doing well this summer but still the second worst performing sector and the S&P This year and options traders think there's trouble ahead for one of the group's top performers in the last month. Mike Co Joining us from San Francisco with that name and why Mike Yeah So. We're taking a look at slumber J.. One of the largest oil service companies now as the stock has been rising essentially over the course of the last last month up about ten percent. We've seen open interest in the August thirty seven and a half puts rising as well today we saw well over two times. The average daily volume the result of four thousand lot put spread the August thirty seven and a half November thirty seven and a half put spread was traded for just over a dollar so the person who is buying it spread is laying at a little over four hundred thousand dollars in premium essentially to extend the Barish bet that they've already been having on basically over the course of the last month out to November and if that trade is going to be profitable slimmer Jay is going to have to fall at least ten percent. That's the downside break even here so we've been seeing the put open interest in these names build essentially as they've gotten a little bit of a rally off the higher crude prices and I think they're capitalizing on the idea that might not last Mike Cohen San Francisco. Mike thank you very much as always for options action. Check out the full show every Friday five thirty P._M.. Eastern time up next you'll final trades type your final title trades around the Horn. I Jerry Got Minnesota Company that has not treated well for quite a long time but I think it's ready to start making that. Turn of the upside three M Giddy up were there for oh yeah yeah talking about the strength of the airlines which is great however these things should be traded so tag a cell phone calls against united. I call yeah I like that. I think you go broader and you sell the entire transport. I Y T go lower. Wow okay boy heat on the transports P._N._C.. Positioning and copper looks very sure right right now look for a near-term reversal. We think the price of copper is going higher going higher or good economic sign. Perhaps Jeff Bills by the way thank you great. General was always thanks for taking thanks for watching mad money with Jim. Cramer begins right now.

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Kenya Barris (#blackAF), Mandy Moore (This is Us)

The Big Ticket with Marc Malkin

50:47 min | 11 months ago

Kenya Barris (#blackAF), Mandy Moore (This is Us)

"Hey, everybody, happy, Tuesday and welcome to the variety and I heart podcast the big ticket I'm your host Mark Malcolm? Today's guest is television and film powerhouse. Can you barris the creator of blackish and Black Af and the writer of girls? Trip opens up about black lives matter trying to create during these unprecedented times what he's doing to increase awareness and recognition of June team then later Mandy, Moore she teases the next season of this is us and explains why she's so passionate about the twenty twenty election, so stick around I'm chatting with Kenya Barris after the break. Here's something. Good is a new show from the Seneca Women Podcast, network, and iheartradio. It's a great way to start your day on the positive side of life. The old adage that knowledge is power has never been more true knowledge has the power to quell anxiety and calm fears in times like these, we may find ourselves worrying that even the simplest tasks we've been doing. 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How are you is like asking saying well? Anyone is Lincoln beside the desire all that. How is the play? House, that's how. That's how I feel, but it's. How how you cope with these days are crazy days. I'm I'm trying to trying to get back to work. It was saying I think for last week releases a little hard to work. Honestly. Trying to get back to work and. You know trying to remain at normal in a world. That's not normal. are trying to do right. Right. Are you hopeful at all about this world right now, or is it hard to even wrap your mind around that? I'm hopeful I'm hopeful I have kids, so. I have to be hopeful you know. I feel like I. Also helpful in the moment that I'm seeing if those would be much more of a unified moment than I've seen a longtime. Cultural. Like it reminds me sort of civil rights movements. where it, it's equal look people are just enough is enough in all for all different walks of life, and that's what that means a lot to me. It'll last. Excellent. I think there will be lasting change that make sense. I don't know this moment. Of Unity in this moment will ask but I think that there will be lasting change I think. I do want to believe that what my hope is that. This moment will bring about some changes that. Can't be you know taking away? Just going to say like the is talking some earlier like. KARMIC irony of. Colin Kaepernick. kneeled. For specifically police brutality, not for equal pay or racism. Is Police brutality lost his job. And that. This man lost his life. To police brutality by officer on his neck. You know they're the. KARMIC irony of that can't be denied in all. It's an I. Don't believe in coincidence that these things are happening. Or reason so after believe that like there's something that like we're supposed to learn and like you know. This person's life was a loss in vain in that we're all united immaterial. UNITED CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT SAYING And I I feel like sometimes you need a sobering moment. Humanity to make people see their only humanity. Outside! Tell me about when you saw George Floyd video for the first time. What went through your head? I. I I've I saw early. So like the first day that it came out, you know. In so I didn't have an idea of what the outcome if it was which was really much more unsettling. I thought it was at least Not lost his life and. It was. It was leveling. I understood. Day, Chapelle it so amazingly 'em saying. It I understood so much of that moment and came so clear You know and. I just felt like we were. In a moment in our saw me Mike over thought that. Race of Kobe lose forty. Eight three lead to racism. I'm saying like it would it has. Out. Know going through a pandemic that no one living, even if they were alive during the Spanish flu. They don't remember it. And I'm saying no one living really yeah. And so this is a moment. We haven't really experienced before. And that's the backdrop and the the the things that had to happen for Aug to happen like we had to have that. Many people home. We had that many people watching you know in good working was so I said start start to be like. This isn't coincidences is been proven to be mathematically impossible in on I feel like. This isn't incidence is something we tell us because we want them to San certain things. I complete. I completely agree I think even down to the fact that. When we saw the video, you're at home. You can listen to the audio. You? Know it's proven people at work. Don't listen to audio and video. That makes a huge difference. He. If you're looking at the video, you're not hearing the voices or seeing people reacting. We're taking as horrific as video is. This even gave him more of an opportunity because people were free to listen to the audio. I never thought of that, but that's absolutely right. And they were home. It's and they were homeless streets. Chest to make noise into, and they were feeling already you know. What what the fuck is going on with the like? We are at. We've been barring the counter from both ends in on I feel like we're at a at our breaking point. Saw Much you. How much do you feel in your position in Hollywood to? Get involved. Is it to have a voice is create? Where do you find your place in all of it? That makes sense. I think above. Now You know. All the literally all the above I was like I. Want to get involved boots on the ground. I want to say something I. WanNa, write about it, you know. I wanted to talk to my friends who I know. You know don't look like me, but I believe the heart is in the right place on Iraq cable. Their heart isn't in the right place I want to sort of. Make this a moment of. Clarity and or healing. In our country. Right now. Nothing. Covert is just the sort of. Will sort of outer layer of sickness him and I think that we need to heal right now. The best way to Helen's together. Tell me about wanting to right. Have you been? In this moment. I. Have outstanding contracts. I better not say no. I I. I think the last two or three weeks i. Had to have Fox partners. It's been really hard. even on the opposite side. It's hard for me to write. You know it's when. Down on. As you know writing is not an on and off switch. You know you have to sort of hobby lobby sort of like finding that you give yourself and when we know when someone. Moves the bowl and you can't eat what I'm saying like it or you know like. A new house in. A throws everything. I kind of like my training has been off. No, I've been. Around people, comedy is very collaborative. Communal? Thing in all. been. Much either. These meetings, are really you? Hard? What I'm saying like I'd much rather have coffee incident touchy or It was whatever I feel like. It's you know we've gotten more and more so, but it's the same. How do you but you said comedy is hard? And I think for me being this white dude, all of this in terms of writing. Like where do you? How. Do you find the balance being a comedy writer? Wanted to address issues like this and you've addressed burying specific issue address police brutality. This seems like. Something bigger grander where to refine that. Where do you find that balance how to find that balance, or is it just you're writing your writing something clicks and This works here. Yeah I, think it's interesting because the whole notion that I caught a lot of shit over a black part because I called it, every episode is because of slavery. Something over, and it was like okay. We get it I'm like. Do you know what I'm saying like? Now? It's like now you get it what I'm saying the idea that the recessive. Gene that? We all share regardless of our color. I'm saying. That you saw the statement that nothing that starts off along ends up right unless you make it in and I. Feel like you know we're all sharing this recessive gene slavery, and so I like it affects every moment of our lives Moshe before you know, and I felt like certain people at the privilege to not feel like it does affect them, but it does. You know it really does. You might have to look a little bit harder for it, but it does. So I feel like. You know I think that this is. Not something. For me, interestingly enough that this is horrible I'm not something we feeling for really really really long time. Now, and so it has been reflected my writing or the things I wanted to write about for really really really long time and so. I think that. It it will change writing in some aspects, but a lot of these things are things that I've been. Really, important to talk about and caught a lot of shit like you just WanNa blackish over. I'm like yeah. I'll do it over again in all and I'll do it over again like on another way to do it. You know to me some of the best writer you have a voice of to talk about if I'm not on assignment, and I'm doing something I love my family I love telling family stories wanted to reboot the family, only Sitcom I wanted to be loud. I wanted to be noisy one to say things. Only I thought. I could say that wasn't fair to put an act now. What I'm saying. And I feel like you know some of those things. Really really worked for me in. Happy I think it was you know in some aspects polarizing? I think the polarization is is probably eighty twenty m saying but. A. Twenty can be very loud in our, but I will say this model. WanNa do anything not polarizing. BLACKISH. Lack AF Yup. But I say. Is this the biggest therapy session? You? Yes, therapy is beyond Cathartic. This showing lack of particular. Yeah bow shows I'm saying. I got to go every day workout. Culturally House Villi while we'll roll about A. Neighborhood my community got in blackout worked a lot to. Do with my marriage with my kids. What I'm saying with my own particular growth I think that's one writing is at its best. Could actually use it to sort of. But I think that's one of the responsibilities of it is that you can't let the place you're at in life. Affect the writing to a point where it feels. Malicious or Ugly M saying if it has an will like honest in I kinda feel like for me are. Black Apple satire in so. The notion of? Some of it feeling a little bit harsh. I think that was okay like we don't get to do size hire a law. Saying that aren't community like that was okay but I also feel like it also made me look at why I wasn't far from WHO I am. Someone! I dig. But you know I think that that's all great and I was able to wash with my kids my only. Mom and Mike. We really sort of like. No some of that was was love letters to to my kids, mom, my kids to the. Things that you people like you and the world provided me and. I wanted to write a love letter to like where my life has grown. Since blackish blackish was love to where my life had grown to at that point rightfully I'll be able to to do another one of those at some point. Do. You ever I mean I'm imagining you do. Sit, back and go. How did I get here? Why does my life? Sake I do I think everyone. I. Think everyone else has conversation I don't care if you're. You know. The the late late string cashier at a going out of Business Togo's what I'm saying like. Abbas moments of a reflective sort of like thought we like. Contentedly. I am not sure has happened him saying. And sometimes sometimes, it's bad sometimes because the outer. May Look like it's good. It makes me think are bats. They got a lot of that are not good. Said got a lot more. tyrod was my first friend, and we will with me what she got rich where young. And she's Costa the supermodel. She's around a lot of very rich man, a lot of very rich people because of the nature which she did, and she told me she was like which people are really unhappy. Like. What what are you talking about because when your main concern is keeping the lights on? In the refrigerator negatively partisan repossess doesn't leave a lot of time. Are you to suffer flack. With the moment all those things start going away. The person that you start seeing in the mirror when you walk by out Tuesday asshole. You start looking at yourself and so I think that. The notion sometime of. Financial gain can make you sort of see things in yourself that you didn't see where for the most part in black coach in this is first generation stop. Ration- Steph and so we're not easier all new. New Money problems saying Mason issues for us. Now is one of the reasons why wanted to? Tell the story differently than blackish, because blackish was of no class open with us in some aspects, but the emotions of talking about is very easy for me on the outside, looking in to be like Oh my God when I got there because as a black ignoring, Argh, robot put to really explain to people explain to an aspirational, but on his way like now. Have the same shit. In saying it's GonNa look different him saying no, but it's GONNA be. Different clothes on, but it's the same shit. So I can. You feel a responsibility to try to. Tell the whole block experience, or is it just you right now? I can't and I think that's one of the things that happened early on twitter. Is that because few? Craters in in place right. The notion of whether we want to or not. It's a lot of responsibility in a Lotta Weight because when when we put our stories out, everyone feels like you're speaking for us and so on speaking for us. US Is. Thousand Different archetypes. We're out monolithic, saying and know my story, maybe if I really like Charlemagne the gods from breakfast slip and he's so I don't own any black people like this. In one of his Arabism hours like. Will Young you. Do you know me? You know but the notion? Of. Sometime, adding to be the person speaks for everyone. You can't m saying if you're the guy who spoke for all black rimmed glasses sue. Him saying you don't have. Something like you don't have all their. You know their problems in their ups and downs, so the sometime the notion of That you do try to as much as possible. Now that there is a shared experience that we have we try to from that. What I try to be a specific because I think that speaks to the universal much possible, and so I think that you know tells specific and honest as you can, and hopefully it is reflected in. and. Seen in the way that she wanted to be seen by, the audience was close before people don't don't see I'm actually okay with that. Because I think those people start a conversation with other people, and that's the whole point of art. That's why said the polarization was a thing on your role in the ball. Right on the middle. No but I'm learning how to. Spin on it. Signing you get more strikes with? is a different way to roll the ball. You know it's a more effective way. Once do it. I. Don't think I would ever want to do something that didn't happen of. How things changed for you in terms of you walk into these big. Decision meetings. I imagine it's still pretty white. Is there a different feeling in the room now people are more in two people more. What would ever want to call it Is it a different feeling for you, and is it just a different energy or people trying to change? It is absolutely a different energy. I'm absolutely seeing more representation in saying. OFF, different groups. I'm lucky, not work for net flicks and and businesses that are really good jobs in some aspects, too. You know, but I'm I work for Netflix company that is very much diversity. And so would I, got one I see is. A lot of people who you know one of the. craziest words I ever heard the safe spaces. Because saves the least safe places safe-space. Now you don't WanNa be around people who all think like you know like that is. There's there's zero growth was going to happen. And, so you need to make sure you know people around our sampling of the world that you actually WanNa live in. And, so I am seeing the changes I am. You know different things I think. People are becoming, or as it used to be sort of a novelty. On chain or Is Whatever is becoming a little bit of like a widow. You know what's good pass that does he. Does, he comment on the screen. What kind of stories! Each droughts return him is he does he? Is he good in editing as good casting? Collaborative is saying good ideas. Good Marketer. Those things are starting to be what sort of shively and not as an is operatives in. So long and it was like he wants forget about. We're not GONNA make another black movie itself. Have you don't that pressure? You cannot how? This. Absolutely I mean. You know I. Mean I was a bit I? I felt it was what I just did. My show Netflix would lack in saying. Why is that? GonNa get Fuller? House numbers or Richard numbers probably not. Is I I don't I? Don't think so I. Think you know socially. It was one of the most socially talked about comedies in twitter history. Look Hashtag right now and blackish is something I've done that. I'm most proud of in terms of change in my life. Lavish wasn't talked about this. That was a huge hit. I think that I was really afraid of failure, and I'm still afraid of like. In valued as it be, you do something people as you people don't like it. Did do something. They you're not proud of. And that it's you know it is something that you could have done better. And you let it go on to you. Let it be you know you're could put something out that you're not necessarily product. When you knew you could have done better to me. That's failure. If you feel like you did your best or something. And you really have like what you were trying to say was said. I don't think that's fair. You Know I. think that even in the even in this culture even in this culture where number it's a numbers game becomes. It's always a numbers game. I don't play the numbers game. Inciting not that might not be. Thing because I think if you look at. You Know Vanilla Ice Soda Ton of albums. In saying why? I? Think that I don't think the numbers game has really really scary. The play so I feel like. I like I like who I like. I like having my salon. My of people who I know. We're going to be honest with me, and I'm like I did it for us. What are you think? And some people like I didn't get it. I did, but I felt like. As long as I felt like the most most important thing we can be as professional. Saying was this a? Hidden you know essay was professionally written. Script was professionally executed. He's editing. Was this you know like I? Did? I live up to the expectations of I am I am I. Am I position and I feel like you know I looked at Adam Sandler movies. This seems unwatchable and I'm also liked a lot about animals, but the ones that I might not have liked. You know. He might have made three hundred four hundred million dollars on. You know. Does he care that I didn't like it. When he wants to do things, so that's a ample the numbers game working for him. But for me. I wouldn't I want I want. I want my crew like my shit? Let's talk about June teeth. Who came who came up with the idea of rerunning the episode? ABC or ABC. Absolutely I would I would hope something I was hoping. They ran him. Saying but I'm June. Eighteen was absolutely ABC in. You know I was really really really happy that. They did it You know it was to me. That is one of the most important things that I've ever been a part of. When he started with idea. My son had came in the time. I think he was like seven. And I was watching something on Television Orchestra Columbus and my son was like dad, you know. He never came to American. I was like the most like okay, so then it was I. Think you're mistake. Wobbles and I looked it up on my own. He never came to America. And I'm like what the fuck and then I start, you know like unease. This war criminal which I knew, but not to the level that it was. And I'm like this kind will be i. get him like we have a Columbus Day and you know growing up. I thought June teams. I was like June. Team joke like I was like because I was afraid to make. My white friends uncomfortable. Talking about slavery uncomfortable so I. Wasn't really celebrated in California. joke and then I thought about it down like this country was built on the backs of Free Labor of an oppressed and enslaved regime, saying who was taken from. Atlanta and I feel like. Why would we not why? We have fireworks and eat hotdogs July fourth? When everybody was an independent, what I'm saying? How's that Independence Day? Now I really don't understand. This should be doesn't mean to get rid of independence. Day, but this should be a national holiday. This tobacco was. Role Nice so to play to the public in about it and we're actually going. You know only something else, but I feel like this would mean more than any award or anything to get this help the. Messaging that gets this day made into a national holiday. Because I think it starts to it. Make sure kids ask why solid. You. Know you have to say let me tell you it's holiday. On you have to really get into it and there was fucker. In in that date. Saying it's late. You know saying it was two and a half like it's still part of the fucker that we live with every day. You know what I'm saying so if The Myra knee of that in itself is is is something like it needs to be talked about. Friday tomorrow. The holiday. Not Work. Not Work I will. Probably have some conversations with people. You're probably trying. To spend some time with my family and. Friends and just you know be reflective in all. Try to plan for what next the next thing will be. Because maybe it'll be bigger. Actually. Part of the Virginia made a second. Second the second stately union to. to make it a national holiday in. been. Acting fourth along with Gavin newsom China. I think California. It's who was a leader and has handled is situation with the protests in Coburg Nissan? Incredibly well I think we should be arte that leader group. You know I think that. You, know if we Christopher Columbus after we knew for as long as we knew. At his day. Know what I'm saying I think at the very least. Sung in terms of just healing for all of us that we can have the stay. Will you be getting involved with the twenty twenty watching? How much will you be giving him off? As much as I can in I might mail might write an episode of black ish about it You know so activism. Grassroots things. The census much as I can I'm trying to be involved in I, think bet. Voter suppression is a real real real problem. We saw recently. The Stays with people being told to wait outside the seven hours while they were. Loading empty so. It's not a joke. Something like you know I I looked at right now out police and. I tell you they know they're being watched and this is happening. They come home and watch it every day. They know they're being watched in. This is happening. They're doing. They're not being watch. You know it's it literally is it's a? Compulsion. It something that they. have been doing for so long that they can't stop themselves. No, I am not anti police because I. Hear Quick in my house. I am the first police. Could you please do that like I I definitely feel like. We have to change. Structure with the change, the doesn't need to mobilize army. No. The power needs to be given the people who understand respected. I read somewhere that it's fifteen hundred hours to become a barber to eight hundred eighty hours become a cop. Saying that's insane. So. I feel like we have to sort of. You know. Make those will make a person who goes into law enforcement feel like understand that this is the respected job with a lot of in a weight to it and that you know why not? How four years of college near Bill you're saying why not have no two and a half years academy under your belt. Get sensitivity training. Why not do these things so I feel like that is for me. Just digging going behind the curtain, which is kind of story doing is something I really want to see Happen Wall You get nervous I. Think about my husband. Mexican immigrant. undocumented. And the phone would ring. And I knew he was out there and if it was him, my heart stopped. Every done on. Out with your sons. I get that with everyone every anytime I get a call late at night. As one of the first things that happens for me is. Did something happened with the police. Or with some you know it's. It's the notion. I grew up with a lot of. Salient visions of like the world is a rough place. I still to this day. I do well for myself. I guess financially but I still want him what my boys in the Carmichael Police eight o'clock. Three o'clock saying I'm like why. Calling the police I'm really happy to have I've no reason why I still call them out until like think, everyone should just be aware to all right. There are officers saying why because I know I remember how it will bring up like the same time. I know that there are. Certain things that you know, there was a a situation immigrant undocumented. There were ice check stations. In saying that. Have you, know been paying taxes five years. Saying would like just one simple moment in your life. Like that like that your life. and. I feel like it is. You know it's the moments. Are I talked to? My husband like I talked to my friends, Amir. Abbas conversation in one of the. Ladies being funny was wide. You WanNa get married like because we had to. Buy because we could we come out the? Is didn't matter to us, but the idea. Of. Taking part of a system. That didn't necessarily take part in us. Saying to show that we still want that's. That's the beauty of Niche reuss in this country that they'd take part in systems. Take them. Saying and that's the beauty of like interesting, being a part of something bigger than yourself. You know what I'm saying. Sometimes you have to. Play the game tested. Even though you know, it's not gonNA, really not set up for you to win. Some you know you know even though you know it's in might be am I. have some derogatory or George if things that might come about from doing what? I WanNa do this because I I know the people behind me. Are GonNa say it was important that I did. was. Nothing that that is a part of. You know why living on the fringes I. would never if you gave me. A billion dollars instead you could born not lack. I wouldn't take. Not for a billion dollars, it was because living on the fringes. outside of with this world is in gives you compassion. It gives you a scope. It gives you respected. Saying that's really important. Mahmoud world the today. This was amazed that. I can keep going on. This was awesome. That was. Can you barest black? AF is available on death sex. I'm going to take a short break right now, but when I come back, I'm talking to US star Mandy Moore. At secret. You killing it, and you don't have time to sweat the small stuff with secret outlast you get forty eight hours of best in class, older and wetness protections so before you take out that loan to start your own business. This heads of that rally. Or. Take your bike for. A start your day with secret outlast Andy leaper sprint the only thing. The world is C- is your strength secret antivirus all strain, no sweat. Welcome back to the ticket. Mandy Moore has earned an emmy and Golden Globe nomination for her work as family matriarch, Rebecca Pearson on NBC's. This is us. She's also a singer and songwriter, and has become one of Hollywood's most Fokin political activists. She was actually one of the first celebs to endorse Mayor Pete for president with more from her home in Los Angeles at the end of May to talk about the next season of this is us her life during the pandemic and so much more. House Mandy Moore during an as crazy upside down. I'm hanging in there as well feel in grateful to have a job, an home and Getting through the days and no, no complaints. So what have you been doing? Are you baking or binging both I I am definitely baking more trying to be creative, but not sort of put that burden on myself I find that like I I'm astounded by I have a friend who wrote an entire record during corn teen I. Just I'm not I, don't feel particularly inspired or motivated right now in that regard I'm I'm writing a little bit here and there my husband and I have been doing these sort of weekly instagram concerts just to play music. 'cause we were planning on being on tour for my record right now and. So. It's like there's some sort of Catharsis in that, but other than that just. Just trying to find some semblance of routine and a kind of changes on a daily basis like exercising and taking walks with dogs, and you know trying to just hang in there like most people I guess so you're not. You're not making a lot of music wider in quarantine. Not Writing a ton of music. No I feel like I'm going to allow like not judge myself and allow the experience to sort of wash over me, and then we'll see what comes out like when this is a little bit more behind us I. I'm not. I'm not big on wanting to write a record about this time in particular right music about this time. It's I'm not sure we're all GONNA remember it. You know so, why crystallize it into? Song or something, but and I'm sure we're by the way have plenty of like corentin themes, music, screenplays and lobs of arts will come out of this, so you were supposed to be touring. How much yes your heart! It's definitely disappointing I've had to Kinda. Come to terms with you know early on obviously like morning that experience not coming to be but then you know it's like there's much bigger fish to fry like there are. There are actual. What's keeping in contact with what's actually? been unfolding in this world over the last two and a half months it. It kind of snaps you back into reality. I mean I think it's all relative and we should all be allowed to. Grieve for. Weddings that have been postponed and vacations, and all these big life events and graduations, and my heart is definitely with with kids right now. That are graduating high school and college, not having that. Fully realized experience, but yeah I think just keeping in perspective like this is a moment that will make us stronger, and we're GONNA come out the other side and you know, hopefully have a lot more perspective, gratitude and I don't know I don't know what else so let's talk about this is us. Rebecca what kind of research you doing to understand Alzheimer's? What have what have you known about it? What? How much deep dive Doodoo? I. Somehow have not been personally touched by this disease that affects. Nearly, six million Americans two thirds of those are women. Disproportionately, disproportionately African American and Latino Women. It's really insane I mean I. I obviously were very lucky on a show like this is us to have a the leadership with Dan Fogelman and our writers, and they're so much there so thorough. There's so much accuracy. and. We deal with a multitude of different issues, and so I I knew that this was coming down the pike for my character for the last several seasons, just not necessarily knowing when it was going to be introduced, and even halfway through the season I was like. Oh, we were kind of like leaning towards it a little bed, and hinting towards it and. I pulled art show runners aside I was like. Is this we're starting? 'CAUSE I. Just I want to know and I was given the go ahead and I kinda just headfirst into lots of surface research i. I spoke to urologists. kind of just did some deep diving on the Internet myself, and then I found a podcast and a book by a journalist named Greg O'Brien, who was diagnosed with early onset Alzheimer's I think at fifty nine, and he's almost seventy now. and his mother and his father, and his maternal grandmother, like he has a long lineage of a family history of Alzheimer's Dementia. And he because he's a journalist and he's a writer. He's been able to like capture his experience so articulately in. It's so brave vulnerable, so I found his podcast in his book on Pluto. Like, that became sort of my Bible because he's speaking firsthand, I watch documentaries. I I really I tried to get as much information as I could, but nothing was quite as helpful as getting that like first person account and perspective of you know the way he described sort of you know in the flash of second he could lose sixty percent of his short term memory, and it takes a minute to sort of come back, and he kind of described it as like just completely turning off like the lights, in the house, and that was an interesting visual. Kind of cue that I gave myself at certain points in certain scenes in episodes this season to really think about you know what this woman is going through without necessarily having a name to it until she does of course, get diagnosed. So we're GONNA. Get some more back story on Rebecca and Miguel. What do we know we're not GONNA get. What are you know at this point, but told you. that. You'RE GONNA. Tell me I mean. Think I think it's one of the most exciting challenges of this show to take you know a couple that people revere an have such affection for like Jack and Rebecca and. To find a way to engender people. To her, her second husband to this this man that she finds later in life, they've both sort of like. You know withstood this trauma of losing this person that they really love and I think there's a real bonding because of that. but getting people to sort of fall in love with their love, story is going to be a delicious challenge, I think for the next two seasons before the show is done. I know you know as much as the audience knows at this point Rebecca and Miguel were in each other's lives I think she particularly leaned on him a little heavier like post Jack's passing. He kind of became the de facto like man around the house, and fix things and I think. was there a shoulder for her to cry on more or less but? There was. There's I think we're gonNA explore kind of what precipitated this falling out between them. Because we've seen in seasons past the next time, they really connect with each other is about ten years later like nine or ten years later, so it's like and he. He lives in a different state, so he's not in their lives anymore. Especially, not you know a day to day basis, so I'm curious what? What that falling out sort of course from. and. I know that something we're going to kind of explore, and then pick up in that two thousand and eight sort of era when they do kind of reconnect and and figure out how they. How they get together. Is it? Easier to know when the series coming to an end, or would you rather not know? I. Think that it's a little I I like knowing I mean. We've shot pretty much. a good portion of the finale like the series finale, so we kind of know how it all buttons up but. I think it gives the writers more leeway and freedom to sort of think about how we're GONNA. Meet where we are right now in the story how we're going to sort of bridge, those two worlds together so I. I'm I'm quite excited at like the challenge of that and and wear like how we're going to find ourselves kind of really at the end of this season in particular to because that kind of just leaves us, you know the last remaining eighteen episodes to. To to get to the end, so you're going to be getting how? How and YOU'RE GONNA? Be Getting into the president in the presidential election. I WANNA get as involved as we can be. I mean there is. It continues on a daily basis to feel like there is more and more at stake. And I'd just yeah I I'm not quite sure like how what involvement is going to tangibly look like because. You know I am not sure. How much like you know physical contact. We're going to be able to have with one another. In terms of like canvassing I was all excited like I. Want to get out and actually knock on doors, and like I want to go to swing states and help campaign for like you know for Amy Mcgrath and Kentucky like I don't I. I mean I. Think a lot more is going to have to sort of exist on social media and digitally but I'm down to do my part and help out in any way possible to you know. To get Biden elected. Important to you. I mean I. How much time do we have? Like I said there is there is so much at stake I think. Considering the inept response in particular to this pandemic that we're living through like couldn't have illustrated anymore that it is just. Time for new leadership. In regard, I think the government's response his just been abysmal and imporant, and it's embarrassing and I mean even before we sort of found ourselves in disposition, two and a half months ago I have been sort of a I was vocal Buddha judge, supporter and I'm just I'm. I'm passionate about seeing new leadership and I mean I could go on and on for all the reasons were mind. But But I. I don't think anything speaks clearer than what we're all sort of living through on a daily basis right now in the middle of covid nineteen. Obviously, you're passionate. You don't hold back your outspoken about it. Have you ever had someone in your career? So you know what you may not want to be that? Out there with your politics, maybe dial it back. I mean I i. am passionate and I think we all have a responsibility at this point to make noise to educate ourselves on the issues that impact us an impact people that we love impact people that we don't know. I think like now more than ever. We have to be vocal. We have to use whatever platform we have to have these conversations to create a dialogue. Was the world at large and with our own communities on our own families and friends like we're not going to be able to be true change makers and you know take action in the world for not willing to sort of stick our necks out a little bit and have conversations that may be uncomfortable and so. No one's ever really told me otherwise I mean, but it also doesn't feel like there's there's just so much on the line for so many people for all of us quite frankly that like I just don't see any other option other than. Then be political, it's. A privilege and I like to to sort of sit this out and to say like Oh. It's not my preferred candidate like I. Sure we all understand that it's A. it was a crazy process, and it is sort of like. Wow, you're Erie. Find ourselves like in this position all these months later with this extraordinarily diverse field of candidates that were running for president, and maybe it's not the. The person that you assumed at the beginning of the process, but the point is like we need change, and we need change now, and we cannot withstand the next four years of this this sort of status quo. It's hurting, too. Many people so yeah at that. It's like at that point I. Don't know I can't not say something. So when are you going to run for office? I am never going to run for office. No but I. Fascinated. No, no, I'm saying I am not the least bit qualified, but I will continue to use my platform advocate for change, and to advocate advocate for people that I believe you know, stand a good chance of really making change in this world and and doing good in this world, and it's it's fascinating. I love it. I Love I've loved politics for. For quite a while now and it's. It's the thing in my life. That I've sort of been quietly passionate about, and then you know I kind of. I kind of sort of dipped my toe in the water in the twenty sixteen election, and then you know with this election. I was like an two thousand eighteen I guess like sort of building upon that. It just feels like Oh. We can't not get involved in some capacity. Mandy this is great. This is so much fun. Much Fun. It's nice to see your face and the. Elsie you and talk to you. Hopefully we'll do it in person. Walk One of these days. We'll stay safe. Stay Sane. NEW TO That was Mandy Moore, and that's it for today's episode of the big ticket coming up tomorrow. I have a packed show with Hollywood. Star Darren Criss the morning shows marketplace and Diane. Of. Doom patrol for now. Follow me on twitter and Instagram at Malkin for all your Hollywood news. Go to variety dot com say safe mb well, and I'll see you tomorrow. Here's something. Good is a new show from the Seneca Women podcast network and Iheartradio it's a great way to start your day on the positive side of life. 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David Zaslav: Were betting for the long term.

"The Community of six hundred and thirty million professionals Lincoln's powerful targeting tools help you zero in on reaching the right audience down to their the job title company name industry and more better targeting eagles a message. Your customers care about to redeem a free one hundred dollar linked and add credit and launch. I campaign go to Lincoln. Dot Com slash magic or your free. One hundred dollar added credit terms and conditions apply You're listening to math and magic production of iheartradio as a lawyer. I knew it wasn't GonNa work when I was writing practices in the Corporate Department and we sat at lunch one day after about six or nine months and a partner came over and said that there was a change to the disclosure laws that the SEC came out with and that from now on this going to be a new way that you write paragraph twelve twelve be six and I was at a table with like six really bright people that I really liked that. We're doing the same thing as me and they lit up. There were excited. I remember thinking into myself. I could care less. How am I going to compete with this group. They're bright. They're hardworking and they love this stuff. I remember going home that day. I think gate to myself. I gotta find something else that I love. That's the journey I think that we're all on I'm Bob Pittman and welcome to this episode of Math and magic stories from the frontiers of marketing where we explore success stories and some failures and the people behind them focusing on that marketing products success formula up strong links and powerful creative math and magic we have as our guest today someone who has an amazing track record of success success that has always been built on well-crafted strategy and an execution with both precision and passion David Zaslov he is the president CEO of discovery with over three billion viewers in over two hundred and twenty countries lawyer strategist cable pioneer dealmaker visionary even one of the highest payed exacts in the US but what most people say about him is that he's a nice polite and concerned friend Great Guy Actually. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say a bad word about him. Trust me that's hard to pull off with the careers long. Eh diverse as David's. He is really that great so serious tonight David Zaslov with his ever-present smile. Thank you Bob. It's a pleasure pleasure for me to be here because you and I know each other for thirty years. Many many years you inspired me you made the cable business cool and fun and hip even though the industry is we looked at it was very uncertain those first few years you inspired many of us including. May that this is what we wanted to do live you you are very nice and by the way you inspire me and inspire others today. Here's what we're GONNA do. We're GONNA get started before we get into the meat of it. I WanNa do you in sixty seconds. Since we have fun with it ready okay. Do you prefer vanilla or chocolate chocolate shipment twitter instagram instagram coffee or Tea Coffee Shark Week or puppy bowl shark week because it's a weak and Manhattan or Brooklyn. I live in Manhattan but I'm GonNa Brooklyn boy the tour I grew up so my heart's still in Brooklyn Golfer tennis pretty bad at golfed. It's what I play. It's what I enjoy doing now. Sunrise or Sunset Sunrise is that's my thing I get up at a quarter five in the morning. I love to be out while everyone's asleep. McEnroe or Connors McEnroe definitely mythbusters or deadliest catch natch deadliest catch because it really created a new genre of adventure which your favorite country outside the US Israel boats or planes. I'm a a little claustrophobic so the answer may surprise you but playing with boats. You're stuck on them for an awful long time. What did you want to be when you're growing up. I thought I wanted to be a lawyer because my dad it was a lawyer and he loved it. When I became a lawyer who was pretty quick once I started working. I realized it was the wrong choice for me. It's one of the reasons that I have built a very very big internship program at discovery because I think getting a summer of experience is a great opportunity to see what you like and see what you don't before you really vast astor self for a long time. You have legendary intern program so you're doing it. Well okay. Let's jump into it or teen years ago. You made the move the big move from NBC be see to be the CEO of discovery. Just recently discovery took the top spot and the key advertising Demo Women Twenty five fifty four there was a lot of noise about in the industry mister. U UNSEATED NBC from their long leadership position. I know that was a surprise for many people but not you you started this journey with discovery at a time when NBC we see and the other broadcast networks were still far ahead. Did you ever dream this was gonNA happen back. In two thousand and seven is really a big moment because cable able with a lot of hard work by building niches gain real viewership and advertiser support and respect but it was always the big broadcasters that was the big platform and so early this summer when we aggregate it together. HGTV ID food TLC and own we had the top five chattels in America for women. We were bigger than not only all the broadcasters but we'll bigger than the broadcasters plus their cable networks together. It just reinforces that it doesn't matter what a platform you're on. You need great content that and tell great stories that people want to spend time with at discovery. We have a real advantage now because there's lots of scripted content out there and scripted movies and there are lots of channels out there that people go to for a show but most of our channels are about passion groups and which which aren't Super Sheriff people that like a particular thing so food network when you get up in the morning and my put that out because you love bobby flay or your loved Yada will you just look food. HDTV Discovery Science Channel ID 'cause you love crime in this world where people could watch anything it it becomes harder and harder to curate when you have unlimited choice and so we have channels that curate for you when we started together thirty years ago there with three or four broadcasters and it was a big deal to offer people five or six or seven cable channels. I remember fifteen channels and then there was going to be one hundred but now the problem with unlimited choices it creates anxiety and confusion and so I think curation is the real challenge for us in media and has to be a challenge for individuals trying to figure out. What do I WANNA watch. What do I do with my time and we've tried to gravitate toward things people love and that's a very different strategy. The most media companies when we started cable networks the basic networks back in the late seventies early eighties the whole idea was narrowcast would be these curated shells and somehow all the channels handles overtimes for a drifted away from being that pure this is music. This is kids. This is whatever and you've sort of brought it back. Why do you think the the industry drifted away from it while I know why they drifted away because you and I were involved in a lot of the channels. It's capitalism profitability so you can create a channel or maybe it's a history channel. Maybe it's a kids channel and you look at what your audience is and for each niche you can estimate about how big that audience it's. GonNa be and when you do a good job within that niche and you reach a limit and you go for more growth often. What you need to do is go outside of who you really are. If you look at the history of our our industry it's been a very short term gain strategy. Maybe you could put on a couple of shows that are outside your niche and grow but in the long term you alienate an audience because when when they go to you they kind of expect a certain thing out of you when they get disappointed it's very easy to lose a viewer and so we think at least within the traditional TV world we really need to stay true what these brands are so we turn away a lot of content that maybe we could put on food or HG and really stretch it out. That might get a bigger number but ultimately me. It's about people saying that's what expect to see on food. That's a lot of fun to watch on food but not why is that on the food network. Do you find that with the advertisers Kaiser's that support these channels that this is a benefit having this very tight and clear purpose absolutely lent the view is more we saw a lot of products within the home and food category or cooking category. We have car channel called motor trend in each of those cases. We have a lot of advertisers that just advertise on us because they want to reach an affinity group that has a passion for particular product as the world changes. It doesn't really matter if you have free to air channel or cable channel. It's the content that you have and People WanNa consume that content on any platform and so how do we aggregate more and better. Ip we'll talk about some of the chances we've taken. We've been successful well in some areas in some. It's way too early to tell some have not worked out so well because we're all trying to figure out where the ball's. GonNa be you know the flavor of the month right now are these scripted series and scripted movie services and whether it's Disney plus or HBO or Netflix or Amazon Showtime. They're trying to appeal to everyone and and I think ultimately people will probably by three or four of them but we see ourselves as almost like a magazine rack. You may watch scripted series and scripted movies piece but you still love science. You still love food. You still want to go out and buy food magazine so you waited to get your golf magazine. Because you're passionate about golf you love Oprah Winfrey and you love her values values and what she has to say and so. That's how we have really changed the way we look at the business. Let the rest of the industry really fight over scripted series and scripted movies movies and try and be almost like the way cable started as you said very narrow. We don't need a big group of people if they're really passionate about food and they're. GonNa gotTA spend a lot of time with us. On any platform we could build a good business on that and we can nourish the audience so at the scripted series and movies. Is that going more and more commercial Marshall Free seems to meet today that when someone's looking at a movie looking at a series they expect no commercials in it whereas the kind of content you have commercials go with an expectation of the content they're getting people are consuming more content than they ever have but they're consuming it on different platforms and as a result of that a lot of the scripted series and movies on TV TV have declined so you see broadcast declining significantly some of the more broad cable networks that were nourished by scripted series or movies that we're being rerun and rerun or decline quickly and so it's one of the reasons why we've emerged with our group of channels as number two or three media company in America Number One for women you've been through the business and so many roles how do you think about the rebalancing of the power players and TV when you went to discovery. No one thought this is going to be the major media company in America and here yard today and there's some others that you looked at and said they'll always be there and they're not when I went to discovery. We had discovery discovery channel. We had animal planet and we had. TLC and it was called the learning channel and that was basically it and our international business was very small. We determine that we were going to lean forward and take a lot of risk. We created the Oprah Winfrey network big risk big risk and a lot of challenges no burn. I fought for three or four years to find the right voice for that channel to create content that would really nourish an audience and we didn't launch that channel intending it to be a channel for African American women but in the end there was a void in the market and Oprah's voice and taste and her ultimate drive to create quality premier content for African Americans and seeing that that wasn't being done we we were able to build the number one channel for African American women we launched ide- investigation discovery which is now the number one channel in America for women that didn't exist true crime podcast do very well to CBS for many years was number one broadcast network. There's something about crime very primitive. We start every show on I D- with there's a murder then we do a close up of someone's face and there's a tear and we all have that innate question of what happened. Who did it and could have happened to us. We also launched a car channel called motor trend most media companies were defending their existing channels fewer at Viacom. You're defending the MTV and vh one and Nickelodeon if you're a time warner you were defending TNT in TBS and CNN and they did a great job of it. We decided added that we really got to try and grow and so we launched a lot of new channels we acquired scripts so we're able to get HDTV cooking food and DIY and and we went over to Europe where most media companies have been a little wary but we invested a lot of money in Europe and Latin America and I I think probably more than anyone else in the US media business by a lot today with the largest international media company we have twelve channels in every country we've even gotten into free to air across Europe and we have your sport which is the ESPN of Europe but we have a lot of losses. Not only did we make a lot the mistakes but we had a deficit invest so we had a great shareholder group. John Malone and Bob Myron the newhouse family for the first twenty five years of our company took no money out of discovery so most of media traditional media in America at the end of every year. There was a certain amount of profit. They took that money out in discovery at the end of every year we said where can we invest this for growth and so we're now the most profitable international business but for many years we were investing and in a loss position. Did you ever worry that. Maybe you've made a mistake and it wasn't. GonNa turn profitable. Absolutely many cases we launched channels that worked in a lot of countries and all other countries didn't work at all in some cases. We built great businesses. We built a great business in Russia and then the media rules changed where non Russian in companies could not own one twenty percent of media business. We had a restructuring fully divest our way out. Latin America was a fantastic business for us for ten years and and then the economy's turned upside down and they were struggling and then Europe was good for us and then Europe started the slowdown and then we had a great run in Asia and so we're in two hundred and twenty countries. There's a lot of risk. The positive is we've built a lot of competence. We have teams on the ground in every country. We have a sense of how to do business around the world and as the world has become more global we're in this unique position of having content in language in every country in the world and it gives us more perspective on media. It also gives us more diversity versity. It's always like a portfolio in the media industry. You're known as one of the great strategist as companies are built. CEO's have three options you you make by her partner. Scripts is a great example of by Oprah's a perfect example of partner and maybe deadliest catches the great build example. How do you think about those three options. You've got your strategy in place. Does the strategy come with one of those. Do you examine all three against every leg lag strategy. You're getting ready to execute. I think ultimately you have to try and figure out where you think people going to be consuming content and try and figure out how you're going to get the stuff that people are. GonNa want and put it on the platforms where they're gonNA WANNA see it. A great example of that is for my first ten years at discovery up until four or five five years ago. People weren't consuming content on phone screens. They will making phone calls. They were texts thing but they weren't consuming content really until the last five years net flicks was only accelerating and the ability to move content around from different platforms was just beginning so my first ten years I was operating in a pretty traditional business we were running cable able Chanel's launching channels around the world launched free to air channels and putting content on those platforms and try to get as many people to watch as possible what made a traditional channel was the place that they watched content was on TV set and so we kind of had a walled stadium and we had pretty good sense of what we were doing and who are competition was rush because it was really only one place to consume rich content and that was the TV. It started become pretty clear about four five years ago that everyone was going to have a screen in their hand. Dan People were going to be able to consume anything they want as opposed to just what's on the schedule on a TV set. We started asking the question. What will people people watch when they could watch anything which is very different than what people watch when they watch anything that's on the TV set on those fifty channels in France? You're in Italy and so required looking again at our content and trying to figure out. Do we have the right mix of Ip of content and we came to the conclusion. Even though the company was doing great at the time that we need to do a full reset and I think we came to this probably earlier than anyone else because one of the great assets we we have discovery is one of our largest shareholders John Malone and he's a great strategic thinker. He sees the world almost like a Bobby Fisher and it was John over a weekend that said we have all this great content for cable channels and free to air channels but if people could watch anything on any platform how would we do and and I looked at him and I said I don't think we do that well. I think we'd have a real problem. Had you thought about the phone as a viewing platform I did but I was thinking about it not not coming for a lot longer and so we really we changed. The whole strategy of the company was really based more on intuition and instinct but if we wanted content the people are GonNa Watch when they could watch anything. We said to ourselves what is that. The first thing that came to mind was sports. If you really love tennis you'RE GONNA WANNA watch the French. Open the US Open. If you really love golf you're GONNA WANNA be able to watch the PGA tour. If you really love cycling you'RE GONNA WANNA watch toward a frost and so we looked looked at Eurosport it had three sports channels in every country and all of Europe. If it was available to buy we would have bought it but our only way of getting into sports at that point was the partner partner so we partnered and it turned out good because we learned a lot from them. They were quite good. Him Sports was new to us but then as soon as we had the opportunity to buy we bought let them out and then we went on a buying spree with sports in Europe and around the world to people think you crazy doing that at the time they did yeah because has the margins on sports were much lower. Those were big bets but we had real conviction that we needed great content that people will watch them out of what we we also recognize what we will go down what we weren't. We're not a movie company. We've done some scripted content but there were a lot of media companies that were a lot bigger than us that that understood scripted content much better than we did and so we weren't GonNa win by trying to become a great scripted series company or become a movie company. It wasn't what we did. Did we were nonfiction company. We understood how to tell stories and sports to us was really something that was attainable we felt like if we stuck with just discovery and animal planet and Science and TLC that if media is a poker hand we didn't have Ri- cards and it's guess and we made a a lot of mistakes and sports. What was your biggest mistake in sports. When we bought your sport our ambition was to be the leader in sports all across Europe. We did it but we invested probably more than we should have and we bought most of what was available. There were multiple bidders for football or soccer across Europe country by country tree. They WANNA get the most premier sport and we participated in some of those auctions because we felt like in Germany we need the Bundesliga which is like the NFL but it was so expensive that it overflowed the boat whereas it was very efficient because there weren't multiple bidders for us to own all the majors tennis in your own all the cycling over a couple of years we learned that were better off staying away from football 'cause it's so so expensive and so risky and and we were able to pick up most of the other sports for much more of a reasonable price and more importantly. We're able to get it for long term. When you buy football in Europe you only get it for three years and then you've got a bit again whereas we got the Olympics for a decade having some time to develop an audience and to figure out how to present that Ed content and then to grow an asset around takes time and so one of our big strategies around sports was don't short-term deals anymore. Just hold on on a second because we've got so much more to talk about. We'll be back after a quick break. When it comes to marketing your business it's about reaching the right audience at the right time and connecting them with the message that will resonate the most you know for us. The question is okay. That's great idea one of the tools well. What we have have today that we never had is linked in? I'd had this twenty years ago even ten years ago at this level. I can only imagine what kind of impact it could have had that with a community of six hundred and thirty million professionals Lincoln you have access to the world's business leaders decision makers plus the people who influence those decision makers the practitioners doing the hands on work today and tomorrow's future leaders everyone who matters to your breath plus. 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I was thrilled at that moment where a lot of people were leaving cities going to the suburbs paint a picture of life. Then I mean what kind of childhood you have and what was America like at that moment that you hit Rockland County. I Love Brooklyn. We were on the sixth floor of an apartment building and we had a two bedroom. Apartment shared a room with my a older brother and my younger brother was in my parents room. We had a little Dan thought it was the greatest thing ever. I moved when I was in second grade. It was a little scary when when I went to Rockland county because we bought a house and when we bought a house I had my own room. It was scary. I those used to sharing room brother. Everything was bigger. There's lots of grass that it wasn't a lot of grass in Brooklyn but I loved it. Rockland county was a great very diverse community. He was a middle class lower middle class area. We went there because we can get four bedrooms and two car garage. My Dad was a lawyer super hard worker. He was up at five thirty every day and my mom was a teacher. You know Warren Buffett once talked about my generation being the great beneficiary because when my mom was growing up there weren't as many fair choices for really bright educated women and the opportunities were limited and so my mom went into teaching so she was home when I got home she read to us every night and I think there's a whole generation of us that grew up with really great teachers. My mom was a teacher too so for those same reasons I mean a lot of the wrong reasons right but the beneficiary was I think the education system but Rocklin was great great and you're just inducted into the REMCO High School Hall of Fame Sports All Offense Sports Hall of fame as tennis player. I learned a lot from tennis. When I was very young. I was very good healthy Gibson so me play and wanted to take me on and so she was giving me instruction for nothing as a young talent anthony. I thought I was talented. At the time when I was ten and twelve. I was really very good. When I was in junior high school. They restructured my day in junior high school so oh I didn't have to go to the last two periods so I can go up to play on the Varsity high school team. He became part of who I thought I was. I just thought I was always going to be really good. Just because I was talented I was winning a lot as a young kid and when I got to the fourteenth sixteenths some players that I used to beat started beating me a couple of players in the New York area that I would play with I meet him. We'd play for two hours and then they'd stay for another. Two or three hours hit back hands. When I got there there had been there for two hours I working on forehands or serving. I came to learn that talent is only a very small portion of what creates excess. I got to see a lot of guys blow right by me and it was painful by the end that was nowhere close to as good as I could have been and so my big lesson from tennis was was. I'm not going to get out working in. If you're eighteen year old self saw you today. Would he think how did that happen so you didn't have dreams of this as a kid kid. No I was a lawyer at a firm called La buff lamb that was doing the buff a big white shoe firm and I took that job and I got an apartment and had a big they grant and I needed to make it work and I stayed there for four years but I knew pretty early on. I'm not that great at this and I don't like it that much. I worked really hard so I think they thought I was pretty good at it but it didn't feel right to me about lucky because a partner transferred in who worked at MTV was now Federal Court Judge Richard Berman Berman sure and he had a lot of cable clients he also was a tennis player and quietly unhappy and I found out which was a tennis player and we went and play tennis couple times and then we had weekly game next thing you know I was doing all this cable work. You're doing work for MTV from TV discovery back then to or discovery for for CNN for most of the media companies but the real opportunity that I got was Jack Welsh he and Bob Right who's the chairman of NBC at the Time said they want to get into the cable business which at the time was unusual because broadcasters were not in the cable business so I sent a letter to them saying I love the cable business. I have a great passion ashes Ford. I've done a lot of work. If you're going to build a cable division I'd love to be part of it and they called me over. I remember Bob Wright wrote on the top of it. Bring this kid in. I I was the third or fourth person hired for NBC cable for NBC cable through that I built a relationship with Jack Welsh who still loves you today and and that love created all this confidence in me it created a willingness to fail a drive to work hard but mostly I got to be in all these meetings that he was in and I got to see firsthand whether it was around cable or around broadcast you begin to know the questions that he's going and ask how he sees the world. When I see you as a business person am I seeing some Jack Welsh too. There's no you're deeply influenced by the people that you work with. I got to work with Jack. Welsh and I also got to work with Bob. Reid who ran. NBC and they were very different but by spending eighteen years at that company me and going to meetings and quarterly reviews and business reviews. You think that you have the right question but it's the question that Jack would ask Steve. Ross was that for me founder of Warner Communications so I had jack and the second half of my career I had John Malone these are two of the greatest leaders entrepreneurs and that's lucky that eighteen year old kid could never imagine that he would have had the chance to learn from and hang around with Jack Welsh that eighteen year old kid would never believe that he would have a chance to spend Saturday mornings talking to John while he walks the dog and hear how how he sees the world and tell him what I'm thinking about and talk about where the world has gone and how to succeed so you made a jump from partner law firm Denby see Jeff. Take a pay cut to do it. Fifty percent pay-cut. Everyone thought I was crazy including the people at the law firm. What's the lesson in that for somebody. WHO's building their career here you. Are you had a nice career. As a lawyer working with interesting people and you took a fifty percent pay cut to make a job somewhere you gotta try and figure out what you really love doing what you're interested in as as a lawyer. I knew it wasn't going to work when I was writing prospectuses in the Corporate Department and we sat at lunch one day after about six or nine months and a partner came over and said that there was a change to the disclosure that the SEC came out with and that from now on this going to be a new way that you write paragraph twelve B six and I was at a table able with like six really bright people that I really liked that. We're doing the same thing as me and they lit up. There were excited. I remember thinking to myself. I could care less yes and I thought how am I going to compete with this group. They're bright. They're hard working and they love this stuff. I remember going home that day. I think to myself. I gotta find find something else that I love. That's the journey. I think that we're all on and that's what I tell our interns that you may be. NPR may be marketing. You may be in programming but if you working at one of our channels you get to see all of it trying to imagine. Would you wanna be that person and is successful. Internship might be that eating love. Pr But you gotTa Look at marketing when you thought maybe that's for me and I think if by age thirty you could figure out you can move your way around so you can get yourself into something that you're excited about that. You really love and it's a gift you start out. I think General Counsel of NBC Cable Work Through Business Affairs Business Development became president of NBC cable President of NBC a universal cable. You didn't want a lawyer. What did you discover that. There was sort of your superpower your skill that really made you you. I love the business I was happy. I was happy to be there in grateful to be there and figuring out how to get along with people because NBC was pretty complicated place. We had a work across a lot of divisions. If you wanted to do anything we had also go up to g and presented a g board so there were a lot of layers a lot of different people and it was figuring out how how to get along and a fine support. You know I think about you and their two things come to mind one strategist and two you have this incredible people skills. You get people to talk. Listen well. was that developed or was that a basic skill. You had that sort of came to life in the right circumstance I do. You love people. Were all imperfect. Everyone has a few things that you admire look for the best in people this Brooklyn Element to be candid but also I'm pretty the emotional at times and one of the things are Jack Work with me on was that it's not show friends at show business. Part of your job is to get along with everyone. If you're having a real conflict it's creating an issue. There is no right and wrong soon. Just got to try and figure out a way around it and often there are personalities. There are some people that just want conflict and there are ways you can just step away from it. Let them go argue with someone else. You gotta stay away from that. Negative energy positive energy is the most important thing thing you need in a company to succeed personally positive energies the thing that a company itself needs to succeed every idea you have to will to happen and part of that will is positive energy will figure it out. We'll keep trying and when we find something they liked. We'll give them more of it. That's sort of what the media businesses about trying to figure out with every one of our channels. What are they like and then we get a rating we find out how many people watch. How long did they watch for. It's not what we think is going to be. People should zee on food network or on the Oprah Winfrey network or on discovery. We're really trying to nourish and audience the better job we do the more they watch and the more shows they watch when you were at NBC. How hard was it to get support for your plants. I mean you grew the business as you say you were one of the first people hired at NBC ABC cable became NBC Universal and you built out this incredible array of networks where people leaning into cables the thing we gotta go or as you said earlier earlier with everybody saying you're stealing my money from broadcast. Was it really tough slog to grow will I. It's never one person I was the guy that in the beginning that carried the bags and there were a lot of brilliant people that were there with me in those early days that were very courageous. Bob Right was one a guy named Tom. Rogers was fighting every day to build up business. US anytime you see a business it's multiple people. It was a big group of us. We did face some real challenges. I remember there was a great programmer at NBC time named Don Omar up really alleged genius by the way started the via maze with a sedan TV billy he was at Nabisco and he said I got an idea for an award show. If you do it with me L. sponsor and he created the skins game and golf he just had that brilliant touch and I remember being in a meeting once and it was jack well. She was Bob Right who's running. NBC At the time time there was Donald Meyer running at the payment to Gomersall. Another great legend great friend of mine was running sports. Andy lack was running news. I was thirty five at the time I and I remember thinking to myself. How did this happen how how am I in this room but we were in one meeting and CNBC wireless losing significant money we we were invested with Chuck Dolan in AMC in Bravo News twelve long island we had invested in sports channels with cable vision and everything was losing losing money real money at the time and Don Omar stood up and said who losing all this money and cable for the amount of money will losing in cable. I could do five more pilots for NBC. This is nuts. Give me the money. Let me do five more pilots. It was Welsh as drive to say. I don't care how which money we're losing the audience. Eventually I think is going to go to cable and we have to invest donned passion was real because there was limited the amount of resources he ended up being hugely successful with the resources he had yes but when NBC sold that business the comcast eighty percent of of the prophets of that business which from the cable business that vision of investing in the next medium and that drive to do it even with the losses really paid off and it's one of the things that when I got to discovery fourteen years ago it gave me real conviction for launching new channels and getting out and building businesses Mrs outside the US when they started to lose a had that feeling of like I've been here before we have to figure out how to grow you make the jump from NBC eighty two discovery why a big piece was that discovery was a great company it had great ownership the newhouse family and John Malone I was it was very close to both of them and they really wanted me to come so it was like I was going to a family and a family that I loved and that I admired and it was a chance to run my own company with some real autonomy when I went to discovery real drive was. How do we grow this. How do we grow it in the US had grown around around the world. What else should we be buying and discovery itself was a brand that really had the ability not just to entertain but when discovery recovery was at its best at a chance to really inspire after I got to discovery we did planet earth. That's a great example of a piece of content. That really did more than just entertain. It helped people fall in love again with the planet and it's hard to really care about something if you haven't fallen in love with it. Planet Earth really had an impact by the way still. Does I remember thinking to myself. That's why I'm here. This isn't just about making money. This isn't just about growing audience. This is about having an impact I followed what you did with great admiration at MTV when you took MTV around the world and had a huge impact with culture and fashion and we took discovery and science around the world and in certain cases we made the demonstrable decision that will probably never make money in this country but the idea that we could take science and discovery into countries around the world and and the kids could put the TV set on and they could watch this content it could have some impact and so there really was that real drive within the ownership to to do well but it was also to really do some good and that's part of the culture that still exists that I think it's one of the reasons we attract so much great talent at discovery. How would you describe the culture and discovering your corporate culture. Make sure you respect other people. People should be able to come to a creative company and it feel safe and feel valued were great record on equal pay. We really have a chance creatively to make a difference. That's where we try and distinguish ourselves. When you came to discovery. You really made a mark quickly. Probably one of the most interesting things is what you did with the programming. We talked about deadliest catch earlier. What was the thinking in there. Where did that idea come from the this. Is the direction we're going. What was it more of a basic point which is the future of this business is about owning great content globally and creating great great content and telling great stories and also having characters that people love whether it's Mike Rowe on dirty jobs whether it's sick and phil deadliest catch Jamie and Adam my mythbusters that was kind of the formula great content great characters ultimately we were going to try and save as much money as possible by running as an efficient the business. We broke the company in half everything that's not on the screen. Let's get really aggressive about every penny so that we could spend more money on the screen when I got there. I think we were spending about three hundred four hundred million dollars on content. Today we're spending four and a half billion dollars and so the whole journey of discovery has has been spend more and more money on content and own that content everywhere in the world. We were talking earlier about a phone and where people are gonNA. Consume your product doc. You were very early and jumping to digital discovery go. You've done the group nine deal. You've got lots of plays there. How do you think about the the merger of digital and TV networks on their content and brands where hedging in a Lotta different areas the number one thing that would doings of owning all of our content we did by a significant interest in a business called group nine which owns now this. It's the leading provider of news for people twenty five and under most of what we did a couple of years years ago was long form content and now we're one of the leaders in short form content and mid form content now short form and mid form not making money today but we've built a great group of storytellers that are generating six seven eight billion views a month of short form content and we built that expertise into to our company which over the long term we think is going to really be an advantage you think this is like in the days at NBC cable when Donald Meyer says they're losing all that money. Give it to me that that you're investing for the future and this will have the same kind of outcome as cable did against broadcast. I don't know this is a moment where if you have chips you gotta decide. I'm not in this for the long term and I'm not going to invest in a lot of new stuff. I'm GONNA generate as much near-term value as possible and sell the company. Time Warner had that Strategy Jeff Mucus is a great leader and he was going to build that company to get the most value for shareholders. There are a lot of companies in media that are being run that way when Bob Iger said I'm GonNa try and build Disney plus. ESPN plus to one hundred and fifty million homes watch me over the next five years. He took the opposite strategy which is all in in the future sure and I'm gonNA take my Ip. I think I can create some new platforms. I can create a competitor net flicks. I can create a sports and that type product five years from now. I'm going to have a more successful company but I'M GONNA lose. A lot of money. In the meantime we're focused really in the same vein is Bob. We're betting for the long term so we are where I think. Ge was this when they invested at NBC but we're just much more diversified. We're not sure which one of these assets we're going to end up being the is it going to be group nine. Is it going to be the fact that we have the greatest natural history and science global library in the world. Is it going to be all the sports that we own. Certainly all of them will not be successful but we're GONNA use all of our energy and will to have them be successful over the next couple years and it's GonNa take all that positive energy and will to make it happen so we wrap up each episode as shout out to the folks who make math and magic work the folks who provide the analytics which I know you use a lot of and the creative soup provide the magic. Who Do you think's the greatest analytics person if we WANNA give a shout out to the mathematician. Who is John Malone. If we want to say who's the greatest creative. It's just that spark of a row idea that turns out to be that idea that changes the world Tom Freshman. He's a great guy former guest colleague of your you can go back and listen to his podcast and you're exactly right David. You have had an amazing life and inspiring career and your great pal congrats and thanks for being here. Thank you so so much for having me what I learned from David. One don't get out work. It's something David has been thinking about. Since his tennis years he wakes up early and out works the competition because he believes even if you have natural talent our work always wins the day to they risk on the future now even if you're successful discovery was in the TV era. David believes you have to invest in the next medium so that you're well positioned in the industry inevitably rapidly changes three. David believes your company doesn't need to cater to everyone if you go after passionate consumers and stay true to your brand. They'll keep coming back the content they love and forth when it comes to your career. David believes you should listen to your heart and stay vigilant. David new law career wasn't right for him. You should still work hard but be ready for an opportunity to make a move. Thanks for listening. I'm Bob Pittman. That's it for today's episode. Thanks so much for listening to math and magic a production of iheartradio. The show is hosted by Bob Pittman special. Thanks to sue Schillinger for booking and wrangling are wonderful wonderful talent just no small feat. Nikki tour for Pulling Research Bill Plaques and Michael as are for the recording help our editor Ryan Murdoch and of course Gale Raoul Will Eric Angel Noel Mango. Everyone who helped bring this show to your ears until next time with a community of six hundred and thirty million professionals link pence powerful targeting tools help you zero in on reaching the right audience down to their job title company name in the Stream more better targeting eagles a message your customers customer care about. It's almost like a wishlist redeem a free one hundred dollar linked an aggregate to launch your first campaign go to Lincoln. 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"From New York the epicenter of the pandemic this is democracy now to the and the hydroxy and all I can tell you is so far. I seem to be okay as the US. Kobe nineteen death toll. Tops Ninety thousand president trump claims he's been self medicating with the Anti Malarial. Drug Hydroxy chloroquine. Even though multiple studies showed the drug can be dangerous and it's not an effective treatment for covert nineteen. We'll speak with Dr a job head of Harvard. University's Global Health Institute about President Trump and all fifty states partially reopening by Memorial Day. Testing tells us who has disease and who doesn't and testing is the cornerstone of controlling every single disease outbreak. It was inadequate testing that precipitated. The national shutdown be must not make the same mistakes again as we open up our nation then can local journalism survived the pandemic tens of thousands of journalists have lost their jobs. Been furloughed or receive pay cuts as newsrooms continue to shrink or shutter. Point comes to all of this song all that and more coming up. Welcome to democracy now. Democracy now DOT ORG QUARANTINE REPORT. I mean he goodman as confirmed. Us deaths from cove nineteen top ninety thousand with over one and a half million reported cases. President trump shocked reporters and the medical community Monday. When he claimed he's been taking hydroxy clerk for at least a week and a half despite warnings from the Food and Drug Administration that things have come out about the hydroxy. A lot of good things have come out. And you'd be surprised at how many people are taken and especially the frontline workers before you catch it. The frontline workers many many are taken it. I happen to be taken it. I happened to be taking it. Production Jenkin Hydroxy went when a couple of weeks ago started taking good stories. And it's not good. I'll tell you right. Ducati get hurt by it. Multiple studies have concluded hydroxy clerk in is not an effective treatment for cove. Nineteen and in fact be dangerous side effects including a high risk of cardiac arrest the FDA issued a warning about self medicating with the Anti Malarial drug last month following trump's repeated remarks touting its effectiveness on Monday Fox News host Neil cavuto warned viewers about the dangerous posed by the drug just moments after the president's remarks were broadcast if you are a risky population here and you were taking this as a preventative treatment and to ward off the virus or in a worst case scenario you're dealing with the virus and you are in this vulnerable population. It will kill you. All this says the nation continues to reel from the ravages of Cova nineteen the Navajo nation has surpassed New York for the highest per capita virus infection rate in the country with over four thousand recorded cases. Navajo nation has over twenty three hundred infections per one hundred thousand people. New York state has roughly eighteen hundred cases per one hundred thousand people as an eighth worker from the J. B. S. Greeley meat packing plant in Colorado has died of cove nineteen sixty year old. Tonight I was a Burmese refugee. Who arrived in the United States? Thirteen years ago via Thailand. She'd been hospitalized. Since March over three hundred workers at the Greeley plant have tested positive for the corona virus in Colorado meanwhile in Washington state workers at the Tyson. Meat Plant protested working conditions after three corona virus deaths and over two hundred seventy infections were reported in. California seventy four year. Old Emigrant died of suicide Sunday at the Mesa Verde Detention Facility and Bakersfield Chong on had been imprisoned at the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Jail since February and for months had been pleading to be released to see suffered from diabetes hypertension and several heart related issues which made him vulnerable to Cova. Nineteen ice repeatedly denied his please freedom as he feared contracting the virus inside the squalid crowded jail. Mesa Verde is run by the private prison company. The Geo Group President Trump's ramping up his attacks on the World Health Organization threatening Monday to pull out of the international organization permanently freeze. Us funding this came. As the world. Health Organization's annual global meeting took place the Chinese President Xi Jinping pledged. Two billion dollars to help international efforts to combat the virus which the US slammed as an attempt to stave off criticism of China's handling of the pandemic Beijing meanwhile is accusing the US of shifting. Blame for its own mishandling of the crisis in video message precedent. She backed calls for an independent review into the. Who's response to the corona virus and defended his own government's actions saying it acted with transparency and openness the director general of the W. H. O. Confirmed a review of the agency's response would take place as soon as possible health and Human Services Secretary Alex as our took aim at both the. Who and China in an apparent attempt to conceal this outbreak at least one member state made a mockery of their transparency obligations with tremendous costs for the entire world we saw the WTO failed at its core mission of information sharing and transparency when member states do not act in good faith. This cannot ever happen again. Un Secretary General Antonio Gutierrez defended the importance of the global health agency calling it irreplaceable and particularly for developing nations. He said the Global North cannot defeat cove in nineteen unless the global south defeats it at the same time guitarist said at the meeting. Biotech company. Moderna said early trials of their corona virus vaccine show promising results as volunteers developed antibodies against the virus the company which is developing the vaccine with the National Institutes of health says it will move onto larger scale trials and that vaccine could be made available as soon as June January on Monday. A spokesperson for the Department of Health and Human Services said Mon steph slowly. Who was tapped to lead? Trump's corona virus vaccine effort would divest his ten million dollars of Madeira stock options and more medical news. Researchers recently reported over third of patients hospitalized for COVE NINETEEN IN ONE NEW YORK. Hospital system developed acute kidney injury which nearly with nearly fifteen percent requiring dialysis meanwhile questions remain over whether Infection bestows immunity to cove at nineteen at least thirteen sailors from the USS Roosevelt have tested positive for couvert nineteen again all the sailors recovered from the disease and return to the ship after a period of isolation the USS Roosevelt was the subject of national attention last month when its Captain Brett. Crozier was removed after pleading for help for infected sailors. At least one sailor from the ship has died from the corona virus in Germany at least seventy refugees at a shelter near the city of Bonn have tested positive for cove in Nineteen News of the outbreak at the facility which houses nearly five hundred people has triggered demands for better protection and more testing for asylum seekers and refugees. Germany has seen a recent spike. In Corona virus cases as the country gradually comes out of locked down there now over one hundred seventy seven thousand confirmed cases and a death toll of over eight thousand in other news from Europe German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron have proposed setting up a European Union fund of five hundred billion euros to aid in the region's economic recovery from the pandemic the money would be dispersed as grounds for European countries hardest hit by the corona virus in Brazil the mayor of Sao Paulo. The country's most populous city warns hospitals or near collapse and could be completely overwhelmed in the coming weeks mayor. Bruno Cova said the surge in cases is due to people not adhering to social distancing roles. Brazilian precedent sharable Sonata has repeatedly dismissed the virus and opposed regional prevention and lockdown efforts. Mayor Kovacs told the BBC quote. It's hard to believe that some prefer the population to be subjected to Russian Roulette. Indifference in the face of death is unseemly. He said this is so Palo Governors Realm Doria. We Ne- Booth to enemy of the economy is not quarantine it does depend you have to beat the pandemic so as to rescue the economy for national economy and also here in Sao Paulo. That is why we have to provide all the necessary support for science from medicine for help. Brazil recorded nearly seven hundred. New Corona virus deaths Monday surpass Britain to become the third most infected country in the world reporting over two hundred fifty five thousand cases only Russia and the United States have more reported cases of the nearly seventeen thousand fatalities in Brazil. At least one hundred sixteen were nurses who died that Ling. The corona virus how stomach rats save Friday's ouster of State Department's Inspector General. Steve Lennox may have been tied to an investigation into last year's arms deal with Saudi Arabia. In May of two thousand nine hundred thousand secretary of State Mike Pompeo president trump issued an emergency declaration to fast track over eight billion dollars worth of weapons sales to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates bypassing congressional approval the US back Saudi and Emirati led war in Yemen has caused a massive humanitarian disaster with about eighty percent of the population now. Reliant on humanitarian aid amidst widespread hunger and investigation and to Mike Pompeo's misuse of a political appointee to run personal. Errands is also being considered as a possible motive for the firing on Monday. Trump was asked why he fired. Lennick a middle. I never heard of them but I was asked to by the State Department by Mike over one hundred fifty human rights and press freedom groups are calling on the United Nations to save for Yemeni journalists who were sentenced to death last month on charges of spying and spreading false news. Amnesty International called the charges against the journalists who've been prison for the last five years trumped up the sentence was handed down by the Criminal Court and the WHO controlled capital but the committee to Protect Journalists say journalists in Yemen face threats from all factions. Who these the Saudi led coalition and various militias Reuters reports. The trump administration is considering adding Cuba back to its list of state sponsors of terrorism. President Obama remove Cuba from the list in two thousand. Fifteen is the two countries restored diplomatic relations last week. The State Department included Cuba on a list of countries not cooperating with. Us counter-terrorism efforts meanwhile Cuba's foreign minister. Bruno Rodriguez accused. The trump administration promoting terrorist acts against Cuba in April. A man armed with an AK forty seven opened fire on the Cuban embassy in Washington. Last week Rodriguez criticized trump's administration's quote complicit and suspicious silence after the attack. That can go we no. We hope that the United States government at least attempts to match its rhetoric against terrorism. Its policy of fighting. International terrorism with responsibilities in the face of a terrorist attack has taken place against diplomatic mission in the center of Washington. Dc in Columbia environmental activists. Greek aired. I'm US was killed on Saturday. In the region of Kali the seventy year old Rama's was a proponent of organic agriculture according to the local organization tracking crimes against environmental and indigenous leaders. Ramos is at least the one hundred activists killed in Columbia so far this year in Britain climate activists from extinction rebellion stage to protest in London's Trafalgar Square Monday lining up over two thousand pairs of children's shoes to draw attention to the ongoing threat of climate catastrophe. Activists are demanding. The government tackle the climate crisis and refused to bail out extractive industries as part of the Krona virus recovery effort a banner Reading Cova Today Climate Tomorrow Act. Now was unfurled at the protest. One crisis doesn't stop because another starts said extinction rebellion back in the United States. New information has emerged around the killing of Ahmad Aubrey. Twenty Five Year Old Georgia man. Who was chased down and shot to death by two white men in February while on a jog. Lee Merritt. The are family attorney said video shows on armory was chased by Gregory McMichael and his son Travis McMichael in their car for over four minutes before they killed him on Monday. Body camera video emerged of Glenn County. Police attempting to in two thousand seventeen. The officer and the video acknowledged. Aubrey has done nothing wrong but asks to inspect his car. A second officer deployed his Taser on him even though he was not provoked in any way meanwhile texts that were uncovered over the weekend. Show a Glenn County. Police officer instructed. The owner of the property are armory entered prior to his killing to notify Gregory McMichael if he noticed any trespassers on his property. Surveillance video from the property shows. Multiple people entered the construction site. But only armory was killed for the alleged trespassing in Missouri. A death row prisoner scheduled to be executed today. Despite questions for the evidence used to convict him of a one thousand nine hundred eighty one murder on Sunday. An appeals court vacated. A stay Walter Barton's execution the American bar cessation the pandemic has placed severe limitations on Barton's representation and ongoing investigations and called on Republican governor. Mike Parson to issue a reprieve. There have been no executions in the United States since March fifth this most states have postpone them amidst the pandemic the FBI says it found mobile phone evidence linking al-Qaeda Qaeda to the deadly shooting at the Naval Air Station in Pensacola Florida. Last December and audio recording appears to show the group claiming responsibility for the attacks according to FBI officials the shooter the Saudi Air Force officer Muhammad al-Shamrani killed three sailors and wounded eight others on the base. He'd been part of a US Navy training program and was killed by law enforcement during the attack and California has taken a major step towards eliminating juvenile prisons. Governor Gavin newsom unveiled last week a state budget to address economic deficits triggered by the corona virus pandemic that proposes eliminating California's last three state run juvenile prisons. The proposal also seeks to close to state prisons in the coming years and reduce the number of prisoner firefighter camps. The proposal must be approved by the California State. Legislature and those are some of the headlines. This is democracy now democracy now dot org the quarantine report. I'm Amy Goodman here. In New York City the epicenter of the pandemic. My Co host is joining us from his home in New Jersey Number two WHO in the corona virus infections and deaths in the United States? Hi Juan Amy and welcome all of our listeners and viewers across the country and around the world when we come back. We're going to speak with Dr Shisha. The Director of Harvard University's Global Health Institute. We'll talk about a number of things including trump's claims that he's taking hydroxy chloroquine and the US reopening even as Cova nine cases are on the rise in the United States and we'll look globally at the pandemic. Stay with US who Ooh ooh Cleaning Mao Zedong. Now Joe Yoyo Ma. Playing HIS CELLO. Angelique Kid Joe singing blue alone together. This is democracy now democracy now dot or the quarantine report. I'm Amy Goodman here in New York City. Juan Gonzalez is joining us from his home in New Jersey as the Cova vid nineteen death toll tops. Ninety thousand in the United States. President trump claimed Monday. He's been taking the anti malarial. Drug Hydroxy chloroquine. Even though multiple studies show the drug can be dangerous is not effective in treating cove at nineteen. The things have come out about the hydroxy. A lot of good things have come out. You'd be surprised how many people are taking it especially the frontline workers before you catch it. The frontline workers many many are taking it. I happen to be taken it. I happen to. Be Ticketed Director. Gordon Jenkins Hydroxy. When right now a couple of weeks ago started taking? Because I think it's going to hurt a lot of good stories and if it's not good I'll tell you right. Ducati get hurt by the Food and Drug Administration issued a warning about self medicating with hydroxy chloroquine last month. Following trump's repeated remarks touting its effectiveness president trump's announcement came as he ramped up attacks on the World Health Organization threatening Monday to pull out of the international organization entirely and permanently freeze. Us funding over. Its quote failed response to the at nine thousand nine outbreak. The US has less than five percent of the world's population but almost a third of the confirmed covert nineteen infections worldwide despite these numbers and a quarter of the worldwide deaths in the United States. All fifty states will at least partially reopened by Memorial Day. Weekend even as infection rates in many states continue to rise only sixteen states are currently seeing downward trends and cases according to Johns Hopkins University. Well for more. We're going to Cambridge Massachusetts where we're joined by Dr Shah the Director of Harvard University's Global Health Institute a professor of Global Health at the Harvard School of Public Health. We welcome your doctor to democracy. Now let's begin with this. I guess bombshell that trump dropped yesterday because the impact it has all over the country not possibly just on his own health when he said that he started by week and a half ago presumably after his personal aide had valet tested positive for covert nineteen. He said he's now taking hydroxy chloroquine. Now this flies in the face of the latest studies if you can tell us what they are and what you thought when you first heard this yes oh thanks for having me on. I was I tell you. I was pretty surprised. I if I was his personal physician I would not have recommended it. I would have actually recommended very strongly against it. There is no evidence that I'm aware of that. Hydroxy chloroquine is helpful in preventing getting coronavirus Corbett. If you've been exposed and we know that it does have toxicities. Almost every medicines have some toxicities and while hydroxy coins reasonably safe under close medical supervision. It still has real side effects and I just I think the the risk benefit here is all wrong for the president and I personally don't think he should be taking this medicine and the effect this has on people. There will be a Russian hydroxy clerk when of course if the president is taken or requests of doctors to give it and also isn't it simply a message like we see with his approach to climate change in the climate crisis? It's just this anti science slap. Want our leaders to model good behavior. Right and part of that is that we do have a scientific approach to coronavirus. We do have one therapy now. That looks like it's going to work. That's from ear though that's right now really only for sick people in the hospital and and when the president really kind of goes off where the scientific consensus is and starts doing things on his own. That are really against the scientific consensus. I think it is harmful and I think what happens is a lot of people decide. He must know something that others don't and we'll try to emulate that and that will end up being harmful for those people's health as well and Dr John. I wanted to ask you this This these contradictions here on the one hand. Federal Health officials saying one thing to the general public allowing individual states to develop their own policies on the other hand. The president does a lone ranger occasionally either contradicting the states or contradicting his own. Federal health officials what this does to the ability of the country to develop a a systematic plan to confront the corona virus. Yeah this has been one of the biggest challenges in this outbreak. The federal leadership has really been lacking and at times. It's been the federal approach has been downright harmful so for instance. They came up with a plan. For how states can open save. Leaves called Open Up America again and it was pretty good. I mean there were parts of it. I disagreed with but it was generally in the right direction and then the president has spent the last couple of weeks essentially undermining his own plan and that creates an incredible amount of confusion in states. Who Don't know. Should they be listening to his plan? Should they be listening to his tweets? And that's a that's a there shouldn't be any separation between the two and it's very confusing and that has left a lot of states to try to sort all this out on their own without any federal guidance and in fact at times contradictory federal guidance. And what about the what? The what. The states are pursuing about? Forty eight states now are partially reopening this week fifty will have partially reopened by Memorial Day. What is your sense especially given the fact that several of these states are still seeing upticks or in the number of cases. Yes if we go back to that initial guidance that I mentioned which I thought was generally right. You know the main principles were you should see decline in cases for fourteen days or very very low number of cases and you should have adequate testing and tracing capacity very few states. Meet all of those and my general feelings. I get that people are kind of antsy to get back to work to the extent possible. Obviously for a lot of poor people. This has been an extraordinarily difficult financial hardship. Hourly wage workers others so we really need is a very careful very slow plan and you know some states. I think are being responsible other states where cases are still rising and yet they're opening bars of that worries me immensely about what's going to happen there in terms of both spiking cases and eventually maybe having to shut down again because they're outbreak gets out of Control. So Dr Jacques. Can you talk about the significance of testing this critical issue? President trump stood in the Rose Garden against a banner that said the. Us leads the world and testing. When in fact when president trump started to begin to hear about the pandemic You know the intelligence agencies his own heads of agency saying you have to move as late as as early as January even December. What he keeps touting is he pushed this. Chinese travel ban but if he thought it was that significant at that time to push the ban this issue of immediately ramping up testing and getting P P E. personal protective equipment to people over this country first and foremost healthcare workers. Of course start off by talking about what happened with testing at the beginning you're very critical of the CDC but also what it means even today the fact that here in New York City if you are not symptomatic but you want to get a test and we know that more than half of people that are you know. Infecting others are not symptomatic. You cannot get a test unless you have some special connection. Even though president trump insists that that's not true so the testing saga will go down as one of the big fiascos that led to us being where we are today. There's no question in my mind. This has really been one of the Achilles heel of our of our entire response so the saga really begins in later. Part of January when the World Health Organization offered up a test kit that was developed by German virologist. I was available to countries around the world including the United States. The US decided not to use the test. Now that's not a totally unreasonable decision. The CDC the Premier Public Health Agency has a lot of experience building. Its own test so it built. Its own test okay. That's reasonable it's fine problem. Was that test fail. They got contaminated and it didn't work and weeks and weeks and weeks went by and allows organization tests which was proven which worked it was there. It was there and what should have happened is at the moment the CDC realize it's tests failed. It should have gone back and gotten the. Who Task and started using that while it was fixing its own but instead we wasted all of the rest of January February into early March. We prevented private labs for making us. And we didn't really build one ourselves in the public sector and so we found ourselves in March with a large break outbreak and no real testing capacity and that was in my mind. The main reason we had to shut our economy down is because we could not figure out who was infected and who was not in the best way to stop exponential growth at that point is to have everybody shelter in place but that's very costly way to slow down a viral outbreak. And but you have to do it. If you don't have a good testing infrastructure but Dr John now we have various types of tests that have been that have been produced and some of them with disturbingly. High percentage is a false negatives. What about the quality control now? That should be the federal government's responsibility in terms of determining. What's the best test to us? So what's really important for your viewers and listeners? Who knows there are two types of tests and two broad categories attest there's antibody testing and then testing for the virus and testing for the virus is mainly what we've been talking about so far we can talk about antibody testing which is another important but unrelated issue on the testing for the virus The the primary approaches we have do have a false negative rate They vary from ten to thirty percent and some of that is a quality control issue but some of it is just the reality of the virus that we're trying to test for it made the the disease course. You may not have enough virus. You may not get a good sample and that's why you often actually need to be testing people more than once if they have what looks like corona virus but tests negative. I really do think that on the issue of that the problem has been. We've been too slow to develop new technologies on antibody testing. It's been a mess in terms of quality control. That's where the quality control problems have been really rampant but on the virus testing it's been primarily an issue of just not enough to ramp up and do enough of these. There are some quality control problems but to me. That's hasn't been the biggest concern on the virus testing. I wanted to ask you a the international level. There are great disparities between Where cove in nineteen spreading in countries? Around the world for instance. I mean these startling situation of the island of Hispaniola where in the Dominican Republic. They're more than seventy six hundred confirmed cases but right across the border on the same island. In Haiti it's about only eighty five. Well what do you think that they are? Any genetic issue in terms of which populations are more disposed to being affected by covert nineteen? Yeah so you know one way to think about this is we are early in this pandemic. The Way I've often described using a baseball analogy is that we're probably in the top of the third inning of a nine inning baseball game. Meaning that we have a long way to go. And in the days you're GONNA see a lot of variations in who's been infected where the disease has spread. It's going to be driven in large part by things like travel to the virus. I show up. And there's a certain amount of idiosyncratic features I am not convinced I've seen any data that any group of humans are more susceptible than others in terms of population. Obviously older people are more susceptible. But I mean you know are Haitians more or less susceptible than Dominicans Indians on more or less susceptible than Chinese. I don't see any data out there that makes me think. That's a major factor. I think social structure. I think resources. I think travel all those other. Things are much bigger determinants of where? We're seeing the outbreak so far but six months from now the picture may look very very different and so we just have to remember that. We're still early one about Africa. I mean we don't see large numbers and Africa is that because of lack of testing. I mean South Africa's dealing with this Kenya's dealing with of course and Kenya's just shut down. Its borders to Somalia and Tanzania but is it because it's a much younger population or the other issues you just mentioned yeah so Africa the entire African continent. It's been interesting. It is done better so far than I was expecting to be very frank. I was deeply still remain worried and I remain worried because again. It is still early days but so far they have done better than I was worried they might and so the questions are why one is certainly. It is possible that you know you have a younger population. So even if they're getting infected. Maybe the lack of of robust testing. Maybe the lack of a very substantial surveillance system maybe missing a lot of cases. I think that's possible. There may be some seasonality issues. There is reason to believe that warmer more humid temperatures lead to lower levels of transmission. That might be playing factor. There's a variety of kind of theories out there. I hope obviously that the entire continents of being spared. I will tell you that I worry that as time goes on we're GONNA see more and more outbreaks across the African continent obviously lots of variation across the continent. But I worry a lot about that and and I always hope that I'm wrong on that so we'll see how that plays out but we're still early days. I wanted to ask you about the vaccine situation of the of course we saw the news yesterday. About Modern Irs of vaccine showing some promise and of course the stock market immediately having a major riley as a result. What is your assessment of how long it will take to produce a vaccine and of course then the issue of a mass producing an insufficient number for the entire planet is a great question so among public health people. I tend to be on the optimistic side so you should know that because of what I'm GonNa tell you obviously. My views is a bit more optimistic than I think. Most public health people. But that's let me give you my views on this. I'm pretty optimistic. We're going to have a vaccine. I am very optimistic that the vaccine will come in two thousand twenty one. It's very very hard for me to see a vaccine being safe effective and widely available in twenty twenty. It's I can't quite figure out how that would happen. Obviously again love to be wrong. But I think sometime in two thousand twenty one and I'm guessing probably mid twenty twenty one of my best guest now. Let's talk about where we are on vaccines over one hundred different efforts to build a vaccine. There are eight that are in clinical trials and a few of them are moving along very nicely. There's Madonna there's the Oxford one. There's one actually to in China that are both also potentially promising. There are others in Europe. So there's a lot of activity here. I have no idea which of these vaccines will play out and win right. I have no idea which one will turn out to be safe or effective any of them. Could it could be that we have five or six vaccines that work. I don't know but I am very confident. That one of them will and one of the reasons. I'm so confident is that we have been able to show that we really can induce immunity to this virus. We know that people cleared the virus They got a pretty robust. Immune response end so scientifically believing that we're going to have a vaccine in two thousand twenty. One I think is is pretty fair assumption. Now the other Question Okay. You have a vaccine. Let's say you do the testing at safe. It's effective how do we make sure everybody gets it? And that is going to be a massive challenge. And there's a huge set of production issues. There's a huge set of distribution issues equity issues. I think it's incredibly important. That people in India get people in Kenya get it he pulled in the United States people in China get it and that is going to require a certain amount of global coordination. It's to acquire a certain amount of global solidarity. And I worry a little bit about where we are heading certainly are political leadership but other political leaders to in terms of that movement towards global solidarity and modernise. Chief Medical Officer. Dr Towel Socks. We candidate with vaccine inducing immune response in everybody that receive the vaccine and that immune response generates the kind of antibodies that one would hope to generate. Antibodies that can neutralize the virus. We can get to levels of antibodies. Let are those seen in people who've been infected with SARS co two or in fact even exceed those levels so I wanted to go to this issue this test that was done by Madonna that everyone's holding out such hope and although you talk about a bunch of others Dr Shaw. This was just done on eight people right. It's in the first phase of the trial and it showed that they produced antibodies. And then explain and safety that it didn't kill the shot didn't kill them. Explain what then has to happen. How THIS RAMPS UP? Because president trump so quickly just throws out things and it's hard to put them in kind of scientific context. Understand what we should take seriously and then your most critical point like Jonas Salk with the polio vaccine. How it's made free for all. Yeah so basically what I would say to folks is. You'RE GONNA see a lot of sensational headlines in the coming days weeks and months because we're all paying attention and we're all hoping I generally think it's important to listen to scientists and less politicians and especially when politicians really go off and start being you know sort of saying things that are not sign space in terms of where the Maderno vaccine is again. Eight people phase one early days right but but encouraging early days like the fact that those people developed a level of immune response that we've seen with people who cleared the infection. The fact that they're antibodies were neutralizing could neutralize the virus. That all is very very encouraging. Now there is a lot between here and having that vaccine be produced safely and effectively for hundreds of millions or billions of people. There are many many steps along the way we got to give it to a much larger group of folks. We gotta make sure that you imagine if the vaccine kills one in five hundred people which would be an incredibly bad outcome. I'm not saying it does by the way it's been shown to be very safe. You'RE NOT GONNA pick that up small studies you need to study it in large enough people to identify untoward effects. So you've we ought to do that. We've got to do that and we've and then we really have to make sure that those neutralizing antibodies do attack people and we're going to have to think about. How do we test that? Not In a laboratory but actually I mean. Are we going to expose people to to live virus or people? Who've suggested that are we gonNA give it to healthcare workers who are on the front lines and then look to see if any of them get infected. There's a lot of work ahead because if we don't build the vaccine that's safe and effective but certainly save people aren't GonNa WanNa take and so that is really an incredibly important part of this moving forward and then of course. There is a ramp up. How do you then produce billions of of doses of the vaccine? In a way that again people are going to feel confident. Healthy people are going to feel confident. Giving it to their kids giving it to themselves giving it to their parents. Those are going to be really important issues. I have no. I think we can get there. Sorry but it's going to be work there quickly. You're talking to us from Harvard. One of many schools in this it has more chance of surviving then a number of other schools. If they don't reopen but can you talk about the decisions you have places like northeastern? That's saying we're open starting in the fall you've places like Notre Dame that are saying we're going to open early and then end by Thanksgiving also University of Alabama because we expect there to be a surge in December and so we want the kids out by Thanksgiving and then they won't come back for a while. Can you talk about the decision and not only colleges of course High schools elementary schools? What must go into this decision? And what do you think should happen? Yeah as you might imagine. This is not just a conversation. I'm having with lots of public health people in education officials but also at home with the kids about what's going to happen in the fall the way I think about this Is What what's likely to happen. Is A lot of variation. Some schools are going to open. Some schools are going to stay online. What should drive the decision making well? One is how much communities transmission is happening in that place at that time so for thinking about Harvard. University for instance. How much community transmissions happening in eastern Massachusetts if a lot of people are getting infected and say? It's going to be very hard for Harvard or any university in in eastern Massachusetts second is availability of testing. I think you have to have a strategy. We're going to have to be able to test kids and staff and faculty on an ongoing basis. Third is you'd have to certain social dissenting distancing things. There are going to be no large classes. There should be no large classes. There should be if you're going to do sporting events circuit with any kind of spectators and you have to really think. About what sporting events can you justify? How do you do that? So there's a lot of changes that are going to happen. I like the idea of starting early and trying to end early. I think most of us believe there will be a surge of cases in the fall. All the principles I just laid out needs to happen for primary and secondary schools as well really rethinking things cafeteria rethinking things like sports and if we do all of that. I believe there's a very very good chance that we can open up schools. We can get kids back to school in the fall. It may not look like a normal fall but if we can get through this fall and we have a vaccine early twenty twenty one we can get through this pandemic. Well Dr Show. We WanNa to thank you so much for being with US professor of Global Health and Director of the Harvard University's Global Health Institute when we come back can local journalism survived the pandemic tens of thousands of journalists have lost their jobs when furlough to receive pay cuts as newsrooms continue to shrink or shutter. Stay with us. Joel Joel False. Stalled took me to his own goals. kill glasses vision. Bro Own fall coming up roses. Bhai Elliott Smith. This is democracy now democracy now DOT ORG the Warren Peace Report. I'm Amy Goodman with Juan Gonzalez. As we end today's show looking at the future of journalism in the wake of the corona virus pandemic at a time when many journalists are risking their lives to cover one of the most significant stories of their lifetime media companies are slashing jobs and salaries over the past week. Hundreds of journalists advice courts. The economists Buzzfeed Conde. Nast have been laid off in April. The New York Times estimated thirty six thousand employees of news media companies had been laid off furloughed or had their pay reduced since the arrival of the pandemic thirty six thousand and that was a month ago. The crisis is not new. The size of America's newsrooms have been shrinking for years according to the Columbia Journalism Review. Nearly thirty four hundred journalists lost their jobs in two thousand nineteen another estimate put the toll at nearly eight thousand the Pew Research Center recently reported. Us newspapers have shed about half of their newsroom. Staff SINCE TWO THOUSAND. We're joined by two guests. Gregory Moore is the former editor at the Denver Post which won four Pulitzer prizes under his tenure. He's pasture of the Pulitzer Prize Board. Former board member of National Association of Black Journalists His recent article at Pulitzer Dot Org headlined. How will the cove in nineteen crisis affect local news businesses? And we're joined by Angel Marcado. She's a freelance writer researcher. Based in New York has written for the New York Times vice the nation among many more in our new piece for CNBC she writes. I got laid off on Friday the thirteenth and had to move back home. My new side. Hustle is writing obituaries for two hundred dollars. Well Gregory Moore and Angel Marcado. Welcome to democracy. Now Greg let's begin with you. Lay out the scope of the problem. We're talking about tens of thousands of media workers all over this country and a time when those in power have to be held most accountable newsrooms or shrinking and being shuttered. Thank you You know this has been going on for a decade and it just so happens that this trend get also run smack DAB into the biggest news story about a generation certainly says nine one line and so you have this incredible thirst and hunger from up confused and made public for accurate quality information at at precisely the same moment where advertising has fallen out of these newspapers because of the economic shutdown and it has led to devastating layoffs and furloughs soon two week for our laws of two month for laws in some cases at a time on the public really needs Quality Information of more than ever and Greg first of all greetings several years since. We've had a chance to talk. But I wanted to ask you in particular about this whole issue of the for profit model in journalism and especially in some of the vulture funds which you are familiar with like Alden global capital which took over the Denver Post and many other newspapers around the country and it's been called by Vanity Fair the grim reaper of American journalism and by Margaret Sullivan. The Washington Post media critic. She called it one of the most ruthless strip miners seemingly intent on destroying local journalism. What's been the impact of companies like all Global capital in this particular crisis the corona virus crisis especially a good question. One I think the role Has Been One of consistency. Nothing's changed A lot of those organizations don't really understand journalism they really care that much about journalism They don't really interfere in the coverage of Newsday. All they care about is the financial center and as long as a profit margin could be maintained. it's up to the editors to figure out what they can and cannot cover but the impact of that that is a relentless erosion of resources are newsrooms have really left him crippled when it comes to being able to do this central accountability reporting and fulfill that public trust role that is really the heart and soul of journalism as has been practiced in America ghetto for the founding. And what's your sense of? Although potential solutions for the once we get past this pandemic There are some groups like a free press and and other media advocacy groups that are calling for some sort of government infusion of funds into the news business. How that would work. If it's if it's a good even get through Congress Hollywood if it could survive a presidential veto how it would work. Do you think that we must? We must stick with the advertiser driven model or is there a place for nonprofit socially responsible models for producing news in America? I think the latter is Is is the future You know the for profit model mean newspapers in. La's always really been about profit ever since we you know. Engaged in collecting advertising. Put a newspapers right But but the the question is whether the advertising model that has been in place has just collapsed at has mainly as collapsed because of the dampness of facebook and Google. So I think a few things need to happen of First. We need to you know Stop holding onto the ideas of the past There was nothing really magical about advertising model. Advertisers a happened to also be powerful institutions in our community. That newspapers covered it. We had to fight with them all the time. So there's nothing sacrosanct about that. I think we ought to look at an taxpayer. Funded Model I. We should look at a modest similar to the corporation for public broadcasting. I think we have to look at philanthropy. I think we have to look at social Social impact funds that might be willing to define journalism I think we need to look at everything and more specifically into Craig. Aaron AND FREE PRESS'S PROPOSAL. He wrote recently in the Columbia Journalism Review He. Ceo of Free Press and free press action that journalism needs a stimulus of at least five billion dollars in emergency funds and that Congress should put a foundation in place to help sustain journalism over the long term cry. Garron wrote a journalism. Recovery Package should include doubling federal funds for public media direct support for daily and weekly newsrooms new investment in news that communities need he mentioned efforts like yours. The Colorado Media Project were you. Greg have served on local advisory committee. Can you talk about this project? When he talks about this sort of model for public television and radio that we already know he says it has to go beyond. Npr PBS to nonprofit newsrooms. All over the country you know what I think. There's a bunch of really good ideas in there you know. I don't know that I would endorse that entire package of ideas. I think I would start with facebook and Google which I think it contributed more to the collapse of the advertising model for newspapers than almost any other entity and in a facebook and Google step up to their own responsibility here You know at employs some substantial funding into supporting local newspapers the local newspaper ecosystem across the country. I think that would be a better place to start And they've already come up to the plate with three hundred four hundred million dollars respectively. I think that's a fraction of what they need to put on the table. But yes I think. We should look at tax payers of support at models. I think the like I said. The corporation for public broadcasting is a very good model You know but but whatever whatever we decide to do in terms of looking to the future. We're going to have to guard rails and safeguards to protect the independence of of of the press at maps. The same thing we had to do and we had a advertising model so all ideas. Welcome to think out of the box and I think that that that proposal represents that kind of thinking. I like to bring Angela Mercado from New York as one of the victims of this of this mass of lay also recently in the news industry. Talk about your personal experience and what it says meant to you in terms of being able to function as a journalist. Thank you so much having me. And Amy and I'm one of the many people that was laid off this March and these layoffs don't just affect staffers. They affect freelancers. Because I'm essentially a freelancer again. And when the budget goes down like not enough to have staffers. That'll also means less. Publications can take on freelancers others less budget to take on extra projects and freelancers also losing a lot of work from what I've noticed and I think it's been a very daunting to freelancing because There as many job openings. There aren't as many opportunities at one point. I think it was late March. I had sent out a pitch to an editor that I connected with on facebook and then after I had done all the work in pre research was told their budget had just been cut so they can no longer work with me so there are a lot of people who are being affected in different ways. They're also freelancers. That reliance servants jobs sometimes part times in order to subsidize their income whenever or the freelancing but runs dry and that's no longer available so different avenues that a lot of journalists and freelancers used to subsidize income to be a little bit more stable while they waited for an invoice to come through. It's not available anymore and it just a very scary time to be looking for work in trying to work on projects and they're also freelancers who may be have health insurance in the middle of global health crisis. So they're a lot factors a moving factors that none of us could have ever you guessed would happen or that we have really prepared for. That are occurring right now. Because of the pens SOMAC- Angel you're laid off on Friday the thirteenth. You went on to do freelance work. You now talk about writing obituaries for two hundred dollars at the same time that your own cousin died of covert nineteen there the cubs in on my mother's side that I called via since she's older and she unfortunately passed away due to in nineteen and it's very difficult top two people that we who've also lost your loved ones for another project and then to know that I can't I can't go double and support that relatives immediate family. I can't really take time off to think about what was going on because I was working on different things. I didn't feel like I take that time off for myself. And I know that there are a lot of freelancers who are experiencing the same thing. They're losing friends. Community members themselves might be sick and there isn't much safety-net for freelancers in the United States. We don't have time to more people we've lost or to can reject work whenever we're feeling emotionally taxed right now. I'd like to go back to greg more for a second to ask you Greg Up. What do you sense? As a veteran journalist an editor has been the impact on the American public of president. Trump's continued on the Mass Mya as as enemies of the people I I do think that is eroded. Some confidence in the media also take incited a lot of You know contempt Just recently You know some some of the reporters who were covering the The the open the economy protests they were Get yelled at and screamed that and threatened I'm just hoping that doesn't escalate into the kind of violence that we saw Maryland with the capital gazette. But I think it is. It has It has incited a kind of contempt and anger towards the media. But also I also don't think that it is deteriorating Journalists doing their job and keeping their eye on the ball but they do it under much more threatening conditions and the issue of diversity when you lose local newsrooms all over the country Greg. That's the first thing that goes is a diversity. A lot of times. Those people Tend to be the last ones hired. The I want to be laid off. And so one of the things you began to see as the whitening of the media An in particular. I'm I'm really concerned about us. Some of the new digital startups. 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Hour 2: Game 5 Recap

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Hour 2: Game 5 Recap

"I'm just devastated for her Kevin. And so it's, it's, it's a bizarre. Feeling that we all have right now. An incredible win and a horrible loss. The same time he went out there and sacrifices body. And. It turned out. So I just feel so bad for him to be honest, this, nobody should have to go through something like that, especially. With this stage that we have depending on wash last three years of basketball. You saw this was the files EMMY p back to back. So all that. Those talking heads, you say we're better without ludicrous crazy. This is the best player in the world you could put him on the thirtieth best team league. And that's that team will make the playoffs. That's how to years. Every on the warriors. Of course, having Kevin Durant back there. Welcome back into I take from Toronto. So after missing nine games with a calf injury. D comes back place for his team in game five right here at Scotiabank arena. And now we fear he's torn his achilles in the first quarter of the game. Brian win horse still here with us and Brian, I want to start with you. How do you think this injury is going to affect his pending free agency? I don't I don't think it affects his frequency that much it affects the league dramatically. I don't know if he's made up his mind yet. But talking to people around the league, the expectation is he will not pick up his player option. I know that may sound crazy people because it's like a thirty one million dollars insurance. But he's in such demand in the league, frankly. Let's just be flat honest. The warriors have to offer mccown track, no matter what they should offer to them on the plane today if they haven't already. So he's not gonna lose money in the short term. So that's a good thing, at least because I'm always worried about these guys not getting taken care of so monetarily. We can take that out. He is now gotta decide this. He want to rehab with the Golden State Warriors does. He want to rehab with a new team where he plans to play. The see wanna just take money and just go away and be by himself for a year because it is so incredibly difficult to get these rare players that I believe that there are going to be team. So we're going to be multiple teams are going off offer him that four year mex- contract because they believe he'll recover. Yes, the achilles tendon injury is the worst injury. You can suffer as a basketball player, but the Jones fracture that he had five years ago, six years ago was almost as bad he showed he was able to recover from that. So there'd be a faith in that all across the NBA today. They'll be meeting, there'll be meetings with the Knicks with the nets with the Lakers. With the clippers as they decide how to approach is going forward. Does it affect the way that whether whether, for example, that the Lakers would be willing to offer a for Anthony Davis if they think that they have to try to go for talk to ran into it? Does it affect the Knicks? Do they wanna make sure they secure RJ Barrett and not get involved in trading for a player that they think that may not come back for a year? You know, in other words, you're not gonna trade for Anthony Davis was on this contract. If you're going to have Kevin Durant. We just rehabbing three year. If you're the Brooklyn nets if your career Ving. How does that affect these things? So I think Kevin's going to be taken care of both financially and medically. I don't know where it leaves the teams who thought they were going to be title contenders next year. Kevin Durant is where it gets even more devastating. Kevin Durant was supposed to be the alpha dog in any package deal outside of pairing him with Kowa, if he Kawai Linnet were being paid their on evening foot outside of that. Anybody else was a package. K D. Iwo kyri, K D with Kimber. You know what if you re? We're you going to go now they're K D can't go and more importantly, who's gonna want you by themselves. Because even though car we is a superstar talent. The reality of the situation, his stock somewhat dissipated this season because of so much stuff that went on in Boston, whether it's unto fail unfair to him the stock dipped to some degree to the point where teams organizations recognizes talent, but say, we don't want him alone. We don't want him to be the face of our franchise by himself. We'll take him. We a K D. We'll take him with a Kawai, even though that pairing is that have been mentioned kuwa- kyri, but we don't want them alone. Now, you have to if you the Brooklyn nets do you want kyri by himself, if you to New York Knicks do you want kyri by himself, if the New York Knicks don't get car, wreath Kemba Walker, certainly, as Dow, what come in the New York, if Michael Jordan, and the, Charlotte on, it's not going to give him the five-year max. But if you're the Knicks to you want him. By himself without K D. If you're the clippers, certainly you were trying to get Kawai Linnet. But of Linda for some reason, decide to stay in Toronto or decide to go to the Los Angeles Lakers, which, I don't think is going to happen, if you the clippers where do you go from there? So all of these things have been affected by KD's injury. And that's where we are right now. And that's why there's a whole teams last night that we're just like this. God, no can't believe this happened because now their whole off season is up for grabs a whole lot of media outlets including this show. I think because I think the offseason just got a lot less interesting. That's the case. That's gonna make these easy. Oh at a second. I about katie's injury. At first, I agreed with you. Of course, anyone's going to off from the much money as they can, and the more. I've thought about it. And I would never not that I could affect katie's money. I would hope not that anyone would listen to someone of the media in terms of how to pay a player. And I hope he gets his much money as possibly got people in the media. No more. More than some of those executives we'll go ahead. I wouldn't give him. I wouldn't even offer max contract if I was another team. And the more I think about this. Kevin Durant is a very slightly built player member, the whole question that he couldn't bench his body weight when I came out of college. He's thirty years old, it'd be thirty one in September the only player in the history of basketball to return as, as someone almost as good as he once was, but not quite was Dominique Wilkins, when Kevin Durant suffered his last catastrophic injuries. He's twenty five it's gonna be thirty one in September. You figure he's not going to be really playing full steam until he's thirty two and he won't be himself until he's close to thirty three. 'cause then after an achilles takes another year to get back to where you were, if he can even be most of what he wants was plus two years older with all that time off. And by the way, by the way, the type of team that would offer it to him are going to be teams like the Knicks have not had a great track record in terms of what they're doing. That's one okay to how this affects free agency for everyone else. Guys quiet gonna change teams. What have quite ships up right now? Are we sure he's gonna change k D's on the move? It's just human nature even after the first injury. Wait a minute. I feel my own basketball mortality. Do I really wanna be hopping around? I got a good thing here the devil. You know, even whatever way dissatisfied. It's good here. When you start looking Jimmy Butler been offered as much as they can offer. It may be that the biggest name that's on the move other than kyri Kemba Walker. Like all the intrigue I feel from this season where there was likely a lot of player movement. I think has has just been quashed when they give you the last word, but I'm gonna tell you this, particularly if I'm somebody like to fix if I'm somebody like the Brooklyn nets, you have to remember, expectations do come into the fray, if I'm the Los Angeles Lakers. There's more of an immediacy towards success than I'm, I'm trying to acquire if I'm the New York next. I just want to be relevant again. My god. It's been so long. So guess what? I'm offer. K D to max. I will wait a year for him. And. The reason why I say that is because even though the one example has been Dominic Wilkins, I would remind you that Katy at six eleven with a seven six wingspan is a perimeter player and a jump shooter as opposed to a Skywalker. I believe he has a better chance of recovering the most the big thing here is the trade market, Anthony Davis already worth platinum has become double platinum. Because now these as max, especially if Kawhi reupped here, which if it walks championship would be surprising. It would be surprising if he left, it really freezes out. So I know that the Lakers have already offered everything that they've got for Anthony Davis. They're going to have to redouble their efforts and, and third also affects, like even down the line, even Gallic, Bradley Beal, right? Because we don't know Washington's going to do, they're going to hire GM. They could rebuild. Right now, I've got Bradley Beal could be he's, he's tradable commodity kid again. My last point, is this, the Lakers are the one team that has been helped by the injury to K D. Here's why wherever K D went you would think in package. All you need is one guy in LA. That's, that's where Lakers. Ida the Lakers have been how this injury makes it more apt to stay with the warriors. I don't think. The always told will he was too short to play basketball, but will never listen. We'll let his work ethic do the talking for him. Always in the gym always running drills will new where there was a will there was a way and he was will. But then after a second child was born realized the pros were all way better than him. So we'll give up and buried his high tops in tearful ceremony. But one day he heard that gyco could save money on car insurance. So he switched and saved a bunch, which was awesome. To take your seeing the tower in the background next to that. I make sign too high for this girl to get on that alligator Scotiabank arena, the site of being fide last night, where certainly a lot transpired, including the words extending the curious and Kevin Durant, injuring his achilles leaving the arena on crutches Charles Barkley was on get up this morning where he said this about Kevin Durant's injury. Take lesson. You talked to doctors, and they said, that's the worst injury. You can have as torn achilles. So have gone to a game. You just hope I'm trying to think of all the great players who had torn their Kelly's and to be honest, none of came back to his greatest day work. Yes. There is somebody to blame the Golden State Warriors for putting caveat there, listen, that was not. Right. You know, if you go back and look at last two weeks of the article comes out katie's worst nightmare. The warriors winning without him. Then you come out, you read the articles, the warriors are really unhappy with Katie wall risks, his achilles there, I rated with KB now this man has to be filling some type of weight. So I the warriors Katie again hurt and I don't care what they say about it. They shouldn't put that man out there. You know how no it 'cause he blew out his achilles. Sir Charles always preaching the truth there. And we know what the headline today. K D out with an achilles. Stephen. How do you think he looks now that he went out there and compromised himself for his team, the value, I think that he was trying to capture championship. There are some people are gonna talk that's going to say that he looks like a full. I don't feel that way. And I don't totally agree with what Charles Barkley said, either. You know, even though it's not the same because Charles Barkley got injured during a regular season game. I was there December eighth nineteen ninety nine it was something called the first union center before became the, the for Wells Fargo center in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Charles Barclay was playing for the Houston Rockets, Charles Barkley goes down. Ruptures is knee. He's on a train. He's in on a train table, and the Houston rock room. One of one of my good friends still works for the Philadelphia seventy six name as our Lumpkin and others. I mean, tears coming down their face. They would devastate a Charles Barkley. 'cause they knew that his career was over prior to that, you tell Charles Barkley, there's a championship on the line, and he's got an opportunity to influence it Charles Barkley's gonna play. He say whatever the hell, he wants Charles Barkley had that kind of a warriors hot. So when I think about Kevin Durant trying to play last night. Yeah. We all engage in revisionist history. And max Kellerman has every right to take the position that he's taken because you were saying it from day one, this is how I feel no matter what here it is. There's a whole bunch of people changing their positions now that they've seen what has transpired, but going into it, if you had told him, he's going to be at about seventy five eighty percents. They said, well, hell that's better than ninety percent of the league if that's K D And they would've played so I don't wanna he all of that. The fact of the matter is, is that Kevin Durant as far as I'm concerned is a two-time champion and a very sensitivity that we hold against him people off a getting that's part of what makes him great. If. Lousy fan didn't give a damn. It was in and different and apathetic about what people said about what he felt or whatever the case would be you know what he was saying. Man, I made all the money in the world. I ready got a couple of rings. I'm good. I'm cool. But all of y'all go kick rocks, but no despite having over three hundred four hundred million dollars despite having owned company thirty five veterans and all of this other stuff that's might knowing free agency was on the horizon, and he was in the, in the midst of get ready to sign a max deal. But whatever the case would be he said three one, I don't know if this team can beat Toronto Raptors without me. But I believe we could beat there with me. I want to chip and I'm going for it. And I think when we talk about Kevin Durant, the basketball player and the person that's what we should be thinking about the fact that the brother wanted to chip. And he wanted to end, by the way, if he wanted to eclipse, LeBron and do what LeBron did, but one up abroad, three one deficit to come back to win a championship all of that. As part of the competitive fervor that we want from great athletes, I have no problem with it. K D looks value. Absolutely today. Here's the best case scenario for what just happened. K D, because my reservation, the reason I said, I don't think he should play unless he really wants to play, but understand what he's risking. It's not the money in the free agency member. I said this yesterday said he's risking the rest of his prime yesterday's last week two weeks ago. That's what that's what concerns me and let's say he's never the same player again, that's more likely than not understand, like if he overcomes that he's beating the odds probably never going to be the same because of because of the nature of the injury. How many players have come back for what they've looked like after the NSA sad, very sad. I believe that, however, here's the best case scenario. I'm telling you right now, without k D's contributions in that game. They surely lose yesterday. They had an eight point lead when he went out they one by one single point. So what if they stay alive and as to why they should win it or I think they're gonna lose it oracle? But let's say they win and they bring it back here and win another title than K D sacrifice the rest of his prime on the. Altar of contributing to another championship. That's the best case. But who really profits off of that is a K D And his reputation. Yes. In a certain way it's the warriors who then if he does leave enough to pay him for his decline. Got every single thing out of created an atmosphere of pressure. Now want the executives want you to feel sorry for them for creating that atmosphere of pressure, because they kind of feel guilty about it. They're trying to indicate the people Thrilla in Manila, one of the most brutal prize fights of all time. Muhammad Ali Joe Frazier. Eddie Futch Frazier's cornerman, wouldn't let him out for the fifteenth round Frazier wanted to come out. But Eddie Futch realized he might die now. That's a philosophical question. Maybe in the greatest prizefight of all time a champion deserves the right to die. Maybe he does. I mean that seriously, maybe who is someone else to say, no, this is what I want to do with my life. This is my legacy. This is the risks. I choose to take. But Eddie Futch cared about him and the rest of his life and the rest of his career and said, no may have other fight Ali said he was close to death himself. He wanted to quit in the fifteenth round, right? Katie has the heart of a champion. I understand that. No, no. Whatever question katie's except for some people. Maybe the warriors organization putting pressure on them. I never questioned his willingness to play to try to win championships. Yes, heart. It is incumbent upon your corner, man to save you from yourself, sometimes. So who is really in k D's quarter was the warriors organization k D's corner. It does not appear. That way to me this morning. Well, first of all, that's fair because there's a lot of people. Just go question to go to stay warriors all this. I don't because again, I would have made the decision. And I'm not gonna apologize for it. But but I understand those who feel a little bit differently. I do draw distinction between somebody's life on the line with Joe Frazier. Life was. Fully also. We also have to remember in fairness in fairness in fairness, and, and people don't say this, but dammit, I'm going to say it, Katie one playing for free. You know, Katie making over twenty twenty eight man hours about a way there's a player option a player option. Katie right now cannot play in all likelihood before February of March of next year. Okay. Katie right now can sit up the thing, I'm going to opt in and take thirty one and a half million dollars. And by the way, I'm going to be ready for the fall of twenty twenty every right he can do that. So again, when we take that into consideration. What are we talking about here you play, particularly when you're great? And when you're in a position to win the chip you play for championships. But typically when a contractor sign on the dotted line and you know that you're in that position. How many times do we stood up tomorrow? Ain't guaranteed. Not just in terms of life. But in terms of championships. What's here that they might not be there next year. We got teams on a come up. We got free agents going to different teams. You don't know what kind of situation, you're going to be in after this season, where you're going to beat up. They should win a championship if you elect to go for it, I don't have a problem with that. That's why I'm saying that's the position that I take I don't look at it from the standpoint when I look at it was value. He wanted another chip. He wanted to championship even if he wanted to clips, LeBron, which I think is plausible. My point is there's nothing knockabout. He's the greatest in the world, I believe on the greatest of the world, and I'm going to show y'all. That's what we love your. I love your point about the salary because you are getting paid right now to do this job right now. So who is to say you have to save yourself for later, the play by play off? I'll say I'll say this, though. Imagine what Katie was risking in terms of the rest of his prime. I don't consider Katie a top ten player of all time, although I. Kizer on the second best forward of all time, probably not the third, because LeBron Larry Bird, Tim Duncan, but he's making a move. What about this? What about how he stays healthy? He doesn't play right now. He goes to the nets or some team that can actually win. Molly and shows that he could be the best player on a team where it's not an unfair advantage and winds up is the all time scoring leader and continues his defensive improvements. Right. And one day retires and says, okay. You wanna talk about 'em and Kareem and LeBron and Bill Russell. You'd better put my name right in there with them talking about. I have a case to be as the greatest player who ever live that was still on the table for him. But, but death, according to max Kellerman according to Stephen a Smith and others. I think he's in that commutation, right? Katie's grasp play live. Right. He's in a conversation when you talk about greatest forwards that have played the game. I think he's in that concentrates player. He wanted to be all the time somewhere. If you're going to play my five. If you're gonna put burden there, I put Kate Vert in the greatest player ever. I do I put Kevin Durant compensation. I mean you think about his skill set his size Corinne, LeBron and candidate. I don't think he's better than them. I'm saying he's in a conversation in terms of his skill set his talent and his numbers. Oh, I'm sorry kidding. Telling you ain't going down in his right now. He won't go down. Hanley let's gonna happen. Maybe he will defy odds, and come back better than ever and playing. He does amazing and we'll still see the best of Katie. Sportscenter right now. I'm lis- Alang as we await for the MRI results on Kevin Durant injured achilles. One of the story lines. People are talking about this morning is the reaction of some raptors fans. Went Durant went down in the second quarter. Some fans could be heard cheering win rant was down on the port. And when he was being helped off members of the raptors team surrounded Durant, and motion to the crowds to stop it. The markets cousins and dream on green spoke about it after the game. That's that's. Come on. Classless and for me I've never had an experience like I think, for me, I've always wanted us Canadians beat a nice people that I've ever. Encountered that was classes trash. So trashy. But like I said. How is to start athle- not human beans? It's always about what we can do between those lines. That's it. That's all that matters. And then once we lash out and, you know, do human type things then we consider bag. It should be noted that chance of K D, eventually erupted in the Scotiabank arena in support of the fallen superstar now let's get you back to I. Out here in Toronto shebang Carina per stake in the building came down last night. Three to raptors asthma head to the bay area. Right after. This show the stick swat, usually I see the nor. Draymond and boogie there, of course, defending K D, so as Elissa just highlighted. Yes, there were some fans that cheered when Katie went down. It was not all the fans, you didn't see the entire arena, Steven A. But do you think the ones that were cheering after this man compromise? His body could be out for year potentially never the same should be ashamed at themselves, of course, I think they should be ashamed of themselves. It was disgraceful expression and behavior on their part. There is no doubt about that DeMarcus cousins, and Draymond green absolately. Right, Avas lean or Steph curry because I thought he was most eloquent in the meta when he said, you know, that has not been his experience. He's been to Toronto on many occasions. It's a phenomenal city. Canadian citizens are known for their class by and large by a lot of athlete to speak about Canadians. They speak incredibly highly of the fan base here there is. No question about that. But I also think that it speaks to the level of desperation that this city has when it comes to be a relevant basketball waas, because when you've never won, you basically say, we want to win at all cost K D is here. Bottom line is, you know what we damn sure. No, we ain't gonna win without him on the court. So let if he has to be hurt in order for us to win. So be it. It wasn't everybody, but it was enough people where you could hear it and you have to applaud Danny, green, cholera and surge a Bacher all of home immediately, went to the aid of Kevin Durant. And all of whom looked at the crowd, and was like no no don't do that. That's the wrong thing to do. And it just shows that you know what? There's always more good than bad in this world is just unfortunately, those who are bad. Unfortunately, get someone some of the attention. Let's look. Some very carefully to what boogie Andrey mon- sex. I agree with both the first of all boogie cousins is allies superstar athletes. They just want us to perform, and they don't care about the person. It will no kidding, boogie. Of course. Like, you know, who's this dude right here might be a great guy. We're not all coming out to see him sit there and be a great guy. Right my role. No. Being used Labor's. But that's right. That's why they get paid. They get paid because we want to watch them play. And then humans to that's what he's saying. That's what he's highlight this with me, I would because I actually think that's rude. Well, it may be rude. But it is the fact he's pointing it out like his feelings are hurt behind that. But the fact of the matter is there, lots of nice people in this audience, but millions of people aren't watching them, the paying millions of dollars to be nice people. They're not making millions of dollars to perform. He is his job is to play basketball. That's why there's interesting now once we're interested in them because he can do that. In a very high level. Now, we want to find out about the person right so dream on points out that, you know, Canadians are nice people. They, they sure seem to be to route Americans like, Canadians seemed to be very nice people. So really, what happened here this was actually believe it or not the ultimate side of respect for K D. What the fans were really saying, even like nice kind Canadian fans and dress part. There's a big cheer that went up, right? We saw it on the news, what they were saying implicitly before they even thought of Katie the person was we have a chance to win a championship now. It was so obvious when D was on the court that the warriors were better. I mean it was so obvious. Toronto just didn't have enough to beat them with K D. That without K D. All they were reaction to just gut reaction. We can win a championship now. That's it. And as soon as they were reminded, wait a minute. There's a human being who just got hurt. You know, the, the molly's of the world are upset right now. Then then, then people realize these same fans realize, oh, wait a minute. Right. Even though we're so happy we can win a championship. They chanted. Kate be which was a much louder chant in the arena that shears were at first, it was K D Katie, meaning they acknowledged that he had a lot of heart and there with him as a person. But their first reaction was we get to. They were just celebrated at title, basic, that's a little trashy. I don't know that it's trashy. It's just their honest reaction that they reacted them. I as a player second as a human being. But that's why the fans are on the stance not to watch human beings to watch a game with players. I will say that I think both UM Molly have valid points but everybody's entitled to their pay. I don't have any problem with Max's breaking down, and I don't have any problem with what you're breaking down. The fact that the is Max's right when he says he looks at boogie cousins, and he says, that's what people expect from you. Maybe they should maybe they should be more humane. But on many, many occasions, we have ample evidence throughout sports history. That basketball players are not only treated like Labour's. They're made sure emphatically. I might add, they're reminded that their labors. Okay. And this is why the athlete turn around, and they try to get as much money as they possibly can. Because they say you don't give a damn about us. Anyway, let's get as much money while we can. You do thing go on with our lives because we know y'all don't give a damn about us. So again, I don't think max is wrong will what he saved. But I don't think you're wrong are then pointing out how it's a damn shame that people feel that way. But we have to be very, very clear. There are people that feel exactly the way that max express that they just felt and that's the reality. But tick usually with the proliferation of salaries. You've got people that are more resentful towards the modern day athlete because of the money than ever before. I have a question it's not rhetorical. It's genuine. Are you suggesting that because it feels wrong that just feels exploitative that people even if their first reaction is guest? We can win a championship that there should be a layer of, of artifice over that to, to, to show concern or you saying that at all times, fans should care. More about the person than the athlete that should be their truth thing. I'm just against anything being exploited and it's just not my nature as much as I would. Want somebody to wanna championship, or my team to win a championship that to me personally, and I get that the rest of fans don't feel the way I also get that whatever one was mentioning that Canadians are wonderful people from what we've experienced and that was just a small groups. That's actually a funny city about highlighting that in it's a bit ironic. That's why everyone loves Molly. Well, let's also the social joy distinction is much as reprehensible as found. The initial reaction. I also draw distinction between what Philadelphia cheered women we know how much I love Philadelphia, but we're Philadelphia chaired that Michael Irvin was hurt on a turf at the old veterans stadium at the moment, we didn't know whether or not Michael Irvin was paralysed. He wouldn't move it. He was still. And so with folks call Dow phila- that's entirely different than a person being hurt and can't play that game anymore on my be out for the series, that's entirely different than wondering whether a person is paralyzed and you have to forgive people you have to forgive people we get so wrapped up in sports. That's what we're all doing here. That's why we were so patched everyone's sports fans of crazy about sports, it emotionally affects them. You have to forgive people for being in that moment emotional just as they're supposed to be before. They're kind of higher faculties takeover and go wait a minute, there things about here, my faculties. You. You can't forgive them. But in the same breath, you got a call it out when it happens Sam because we would do it with anybody else. If this were some of the city that had done that we'd be all over them, but just because we're in Canada, and it's a great country at Toronto's, a great city doesn't mean that those initial reactors don't get. No doubt, quickly should we be focusing? Stella braiding the idea that the fans cheered at first or is the more important thing to take away. Like did they show more by the players, including the raptors player telling their fans? Wait a minute at the fans realizing what they did enchanting Cade think we focus on that, because that's the happy end happy, but everybody has a choice to choose what they want to focus, of course. They, it's a free world. Toronto. What beautiful shot of the city you can see this tower there? The tallest building clearly these fans are good spirits regardless of the outcome last night. Richard Jefferson here with us. Good to have you, sir. Thanks, bro. Focusing on K deal, obviously guys. But the splash brothers went off scoring system on seventy seven of the teams points. I wanna ask you this, Richard. Do you feel like those to save the series or just bought the team game before limitation? I think they they, they saved they saved their sees is. But I think they just gave themselves an option to buy. Right. They haven't even option for one more. When you get back to Golden State, that's going to be a very, very difficult place to play. They understand what stake do. I think Toronto will still win this series. Yes, I do. But. I was actually quite proud of the way that the Golden State Warriors, played, and given the things that happened with Kevin Durant than them just kind of keeping it together and putting themselves in the position to extend the series. They're gonna close out six and oracle like I predicted this series started, like I said before game four road. Team wins out Kyle Lowry. Please better on the road in the playoffs. He said it himself co I can't do it alone. If you look at yesterday's game when K D went down Steph curry still house squad clay bookie. Draymond Igwe Dala at an eight point leaf it should be able to navigate that you should be able to get the win. They won by a single point, because when it came to grown men time, Kawai, Leonard showed up as usual, and then Nick nurse put a wet blanket on everything with Taina as even now I still give Steph enormous credit for that. Haven't seen them do that in his career yet. Wow. He deserves credit for that. Let me tell you who else deserves credit. Not getting Draymond green forgetting his fingertips on that shot by Kyle Lowry. I'm a Knicks fan used to be not anymore reform next fan. But as a kid, I remember when everyone pointed the John Starks missing every shot and. Game seven against the rockets. What people don't talk about is John starts had a three, a look at from from three in game six to win the series and Alon got his fingertips on it. That forced the game seven the Knicks lost. That was a huge play by Draymond green. We could talk about the mistakes the raptors made, but the warriors, even as many mistakes, as they made also made huge plays with the money on the line, when it mattered most, but they're not gonna win the series because we see without K D, the raptors are better than the warriors. They're going to win it. I don't blame anybody for thinking the raptors are gonna win this series. I mean, I picked the warriors to win six obviously I was wrong. You saw K D go down yesterday. And then you saw Toronto going that run. And they're physicality just seem to be clear and evident to the point where I thought Nick nurse, let him off the hook by calling that time out because even though Golden State was still there, Toronto makes run kuwa- scores. Ten straight. He's playing lights out. They take a one hundred ninety seven lead and everybody was celebrating. I mean, they did everything but put the ticket tape around the court for crying out loud. I mean it was it was a foregone conclusion elevator. They had to bring the champagne. Nick nurse. Let him off the hook. So I look at it from that perspective. But now I would ask you to take into consideration conceding that Toronto should be the favorite to win this series based on katie's apps and their overall physicality Kevin looney goes down boogie cousins is clearly not a hug near not anywhere near a hundred percent. I mean my God. Okay. But let's take this in the consideration. You got Joe last game at the oracle no matter what no matter what. Okay, you're ready lost to their right? You talking about gumption enough. The nerve with three full days rest now is not like he got a game Wednesday night Thursday night. Okay. So we don't we, we surmise that we don't have to worry about Steph curry being tired like he wasn't game. Four is one thing that tied in the waning moments of the fourth quarter last night. But now he was tied for the whole game or that's not going to be the case for game six. And then if you go to State Warriors, here's what you're thinking with rain. Defending two-time champions. We've been four NBA finals. We've got the greatest shooting back court in, in NBA history. Oh, by the way, we been the last four ourselves. Meaning us as individuals me Steph, etc. Etc. If we win this one game, we take a team in the Toronto Raptors outside of Danny green and co wild that have never been in the finals. Let alone a game seven, you blown a three one lead. It's three three. We don't have Kevin Durant, where on your own Turk in your country and talk about the pressure of the entire world. Now, you notice better than me miss that three NBA finals, plus an NBA championship. You noticed palms get sweaty you talking about. We say go say about what gets tight the bottom of it. When you talk about game seven into Canada. Be one thing. Tax. If you do three one or was to, to then what right away, went back. Oh, no. You had three one Lee, y'all with three minutes from celebrate the championship your blue that you lose games. Six your come back for game seven eight about skill just it ain't even about hot this, then now it's about panic, who's going to have the poor. You're or am I right? Don't and understand there was already signs of panic. That's when we talk about that time out there was no need for that time out. Everything was rolling day should have been the one. The word should have been the one to call a timeout. But my biggest issue right now is that the Toronto Raptors have played great basketball, even in the games that they have lost. Right. You add K D. They shot the warriors shot the ball great. So I just think that if the warriors keep trying to do exactly what they've been doing. They're going to fall short. They just don't have enough. Now I'm not saying that. That, that, that in oracle that won't give them that extra boost. But I think if they if they're not able to get it done in or an oracle, and they come back here, I think this Jurassic Park takes off Nick nurse. I messed up. I agree in the US. Molly. But I think teams take on the character of their leader on the floor. And I see in Kawai a guy who don't know nothing about panic. He doesn't. He doesn't know how to celebrate. He doesn't panic. He knows how to play basketball, that's it. So I'm not worried about them panicking. Even Steven A the scenario that you just painted. I'm not worried about panic on the raptors because their leader is Leonard. What thing I just want to highlight Steven? You said how imperative game six is the last game at orphan. He's not just referring to the series. That's literally their last game at oracle in Oakland because the team, of course is moving to San Francisco. He's got a thirty one point five million dollar player option for two thousand nineteen twenty he's got till June twenty ninth to the side on that. And if you're his business manager, rich climb in your kind of canvassing the league right now to figure out if he did opt out is there a four year one hundred and forty million dollar max contract. And is there conversations with the warriors for five years, two hundred twenty one million dollars? The next three weeks. It's all about figuring out if there is a team out there or if it's Golden State that has a max contract on the table for Durant. I talked to three teams and I didn't even get the question out. Greenie. I said, if Kevin Durant was a if you had cap space, would you go out and sign Kevin Durant knowing that he will likely be out? Maybe the whole year. In the resounding answer was, yes. Discuss your Bank arena, I tank. In the building. We're game ties. And all that went down last night. And of course, the big news of today. Richard Jefferson would be Kevin Durant apparently tearing his achilles. I want to start with you. Do you feel like he made the right decision by playing in that game five on a lot of people are going to say, no, he didn't because of the injury? The reason why I'm going to say. Yes, is this is because you hope and this is something that I don't know. You hope his doctors, his team, doctors, everyone involved in their gave him the best information possible. They say, yes, you might have some discomfort, you might have some, some sort as if this was ever on the table. Like, hey, if you play we're not sure if it's a slight hair and it could rupture if he was ever given this amount of information than the answer's. No. If he wasn't given this information. They're like, no look at this is what it is. You're not going to reenter it. It's just going. Be soreness. You've recovered over the last month than I think he made the right decision to try and come help his team. That's the only reason why would say, yes, first of all, any athlete should talk to their own doctor. And I trust a team doctor period. There's a built in conflict of interest, the team. Doctor works for the team not for you. Forget about the Hippocratic oath because we know. I've had team doctors. Tell me things that shouldn't have with medical supplies and insurance companies, and it's a farce largely the idea that, that, that a doctor working for the team that's trying to accomplish something that believes is a very good chance. You may leave but wants to squeeze the last bit of value out of you right now, which they did if they go on to win the championship believe me. It's because Katie was on the court to give them a seven or eight point lead at the time he went down. They wound up winning by a point to force game six to which their favorite to win at oracle. And then have a game seven when their experiences you said, Stephen the pressure on the raptors. So they got every drop they could out of K D, And then to hell with him the rest of his career. Right. Executives can get up at the podium and demonstrate how sorry they are. But that's how it goes. Indicate like oh, I'm so sorry. It's not okay. You can't trust. You have to talk to your own doctor. And let me tell you something. If I knew sitting here yesterday that given how severe the calf injury was in the first place, which I never believed was a calf injury. I always thought it was some Attila's thing. Right. He missed more than a month of basketball five weeks. If I know that now there's a higher likelihood of a catastrophic injury, if he plays them believe me, the team, doctors, new, certainly his own doctor would know it was a mistake for him to play on less one caveat. If it was more important for him to give everything he could even risking the rest of his prime that's his choice. But that's the choice you really well, I think that's where they come. That's where guy like, Kendrick Perkins comes in, like I said, I've no Kendra Purkis for years, and he was furious. And this is his teammate and his boy, and he spoke to Kevin Durant. And he was like you don't need to be playing, you don't need to be doing this and his mentality was that he didn't quote, Kevin by any stretch imagination, but he basically said, his mentality is I gotta come out here and Kendrick Perkins said, I feel he's doing it because all these folks out there have been questioning him and whether or not he had one foot out the door. Is he really given it all? All he had if there's one area where and I'm certainly not faulting, Kevin Durant, because, like I said, I would have made a decision, I think it's effort was valiant appreciate, what mama Durant came out and said it defensive us, some because she was right to do what she's right to say it, but I will say this, if there's one indirect fault that could fall on the show of Kevin Durant, and all of this. It's the fact that he's a soon to be free agent because by electing to go through this year, knowing that everybody would be talking about free agency. What happened with the clippers game in a regular season him Andrey get into it on a bitch? Why does Draymond end up getting suspended for one game 'cause he said this, that we don't need to get the hell on up out of here? You, you can leave now blah, blah, blah rock because the impression was you had one foot out the door. And so what that did that's just one of the several incidences that took place, go out the season and they got to tighten. Knit group Dan, Golden State. So a lot of stuff's not only got the Lockman, you also hear that as relationship with Steve Kerr ain't the greatest. It's great what Bob Myers, it's great with some of the other guys, but it's not necessarily the greatest relationship with Steve Kerr, I don't know why don't know how much is that. But that's what you hear you take all of those things into account and what happens as your approach of free agency. What were they saying you out engine? Does he really want to come back? Why would they say that? They want question this hot. It was a question how value and he was how courageous he was what they were saying was you're ready. Got one foot out the door because you about to leave the warriors what the media or anybody else in other words, what sparked all of these questions is the fact that it was presumed you will leave in the Golden State Warriors come July. First, and those are the kind of things I'm not saying he was rolling the do it. I'm saying indirectly as a result of impediment free agency. RJ. Those are the kind of things that could stir people to speculate about how bad you want it to play, which is why he felt the need to show. Oh, I really really wanna play. Yes. But all of these things showing people that you want to play in showing people that you care about your warriors, in the teammates, and everything in this moment, showing people that doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you should have stepped on the floor with an achilles injury. That literally could change your prime like you said, so. My thing about this is that we know that's one thing that I do know about the situation, he wasn't just talking to the warriors doctors. He was also talking to his own doctors his on team climate. These guys would not have put him in a position to just trust them. Several several people cleared him. And so that's the that's the real issue when an athlete has it in his mind. Maybe I shouldn't be doing this. That's a bad situation to begin with agreed. But if as I said, if I'm sitting here knowing from where I'm sitting having watched athletes, go through this in the past, like he is taking a real, his, let me ask you a question match. I understand your point. If you alluded to a team doctor if RJ is Kevin Durant situation, and Molly is a doctor he hires. And max as a doctor, he highs. And Steven is a team doctor. And there's somebody else this trade is evolved and collectively decision is made to clear you, what do you do? Well being cleared meaning. You are able to play, and that's making that a wise choice based on the fact that you make suffer a worse catastrophic injury to different things. I'll remind everyone again is we did off the top of the show. Co why Leonard had an injury and it wasn't just this one or that one coming out. It was Gregg Popovich, who has more credibility than anyone running out, guys, like Tony Parker saying, I had something one hundred times he should be playing relies on. Doctors did it do. Okay. But there were still enormous pressure for to play. He didn't make any public comments. He basically said drunk, we can't slide, basically said, try this trade me, if you don't like it trade me. And guess what? He's about a win a finals, but we can't compare we can't compare those two right in the San Antonio situation. Everybody universally believes his Santo has always protected their player, but you should always go get your team. And that's why when they were asking about the collide situation Popovich, you gotta ask Hawaiian has team. We don't know anything. But wait a minute. He did that on the other hand he. He had his lieutenants out in the media talking about the talking about how he should be playing. That's all fine. I agree. And you see what they did here giving him, only sixty games and resting issue, here is really that he got cleared through multiple people in multiple levels. And that's where point is this attention might have come from? I know that team doctor's cleared you, your doctor's cleared you another doctor's cleared you and you're out here working and you're still not playing. That's where you start to feel that. My warriors created a scenario where there was speculation that he would come back at people in the media like us, we're saying, I don't think he's coming back from that. But the warriors put it out there. They created a climate where there was pressure for him to come back. The reason I bring up Kawais it's instructive I think is not a tough guy quiets known as a tough player. Right. And here he is playing in the finals because he doesn't have rabbit ears doesn't care. What other people think he does the right thing by spy him? And here he is in the finals. And here's K D on the other day in life, you have to trust your gut, and he didn't trust his gut and look what happened. I wanna talk about Kaleida Stephen A, do you think he should have taken the final shot? No, I'm not going to say that. Okay. I saw two players come up at him and he got a double team and gave it up. He should've I'm like, if you're going to give it up give it up, somebody does open, he say that. Don't give it to somebody else to make extra pets. They'll give it up to van Vliet who gets to cholera. If you go give that ball up, you wanna make sure look, dammit. I wanna take this badly since I can't take it. Let me make sure I give it up to somebody who has opened as opposed to relying on another player to find open man. That's what I would fault. I don't fall a while not taking the shot I fall koala while not making the play. I'll say this about coli. It's not just the double team came Igwe dollar came. That's not a normal, that's just not. That's not normal double team. That's one of the great defenders of all time. And one of the great crunch time finals performance both ends of the floor especially on the defensive end of all time. And here's this part about co is game. I don't pretend per se. He's the best player to what he's not perfect LaJoie was the same way early in his career. He was a black hole ball came in. He scored as he got older and more experienced became a better and better passer co why isn't that phase of his career? He's, he's a much better passer than it used to be. But he's not a great passer. He doesn't get the ball to teammates in ways that they're gonna that increases the ability for them to hit shots. It's the right basketball play. But he's not like a brilliant passer. So we passed out of the double team. But I agree with Stephen Smith. It wasn't like the optimal crunch time. Oh, by the way, cow, Larry actually had time to give a fake step in and pull off a do was quick to rush it. But he didn't have to just long veils on is he should've kept going in my opinion in my opinion, because you had Draymond green was on the on the outside because he was shooting outside. But look at the end of the day, we've seen too many great players pass up this shot we've seen Michael Jordan pass the ball to Steve Kerr, we've seen too many guys. They make that make the play. And LeBron James is he's been killed forward. He's been praying lakes play. Look you've got two guys here then you should you should get it. And look, we gotta give the former defensive player here the multiple time all defensive first team player dream on credit. He was sitting here playing in between the big he could've stepped in and got the chart and he's still got himself out there to get a fingertip. So sometimes the defense just makes a play you came a guy and your team rotates, I don't want, you're not going to discredit Kyle Lowry. We're not gonna complain about quiet Leonard. What is gonna give credit to the Golden State will lead a little, you can get a little bit of the fans at home that Kevin Durant should have played in the game. Surprised by this sixty nine percent said, no, he shouldn't have thirty one percent said, yes. All right. That'll do it for this Tinton Toronto. We might be back. What are we thinking? We gotta be back. Only it's coming back. Meanwhile, tomorrow we will be lake show. In the rest of the week, dorms open five thirty civic time. Check us out. Certainly be a good. This is crazy. Richard. Thanks for joining.

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59: The Top Weight-Loss Questions & Answers Episode

Hungry Girl: Chew The Right Thing!

53:50 min | 2 years ago

59: The Top Weight-Loss Questions & Answers Episode

"Hungry. I'm so hungry. Hello. Hello. It's me. Lisa. Lillian also known as hungry girl here and hungry land has always with Mikey and Jamie. How are you guys? Good. How are you? Good. We are here. We are rechange it to hungry land USA. Yes. Cool. It's official really on USA. We need, like, feel like we need flags everywhere map be like candy land. That's fun board game. We know somebody wants pitched aboard game. We should do that. Or it sounds like fun. But today's episode I'm not going to say it's not gonna be fun. But it's a little more serious. I feel like every week like lately, we've just been having so much fun. We've been eating like shoving food in our faces all the whole show and this week is not like that. I'm a little sad, but also happy because I know how helpful it's going to be. Yeah. It's a very necessary episode. It's very necessary. So this week, we are going to be answering your top weight loss questions and. By you. I mean you the person out there whose walking with their headphones on right now. If you emailed in, or if you posted on our community page on Facebook, maybe we will be answering your questions, there are a lot of them. We did as community. A lot of people wait in. Yeah. I mean, it's because at the end of the day, like hungry girl is a lifestyle brand. It's about making smart food choices, but I started the brand back in two thousand four and back then, and as much as people don't necessarily want to admit it to this day, it still is about losing weight. It's sure a lot of people are just on maintenance, but people we as Americans are still extremely, overweight, and trying and struggling every single day. And always looking for that magic bullet. It's like that will never change. I remember when I started hungry was right when the low carb craze happening and every other storefront was a low carb store. So there's always a different trend about dieting and people are always looking to latch onto. One thing and find that enemy or that magic little easy. Fix make them get skinny. So you're saying you're not going to reveal that today. The one magic thing. Oh, AM. The episode teaser. There were a lot of magic things like there's no one thing you can do. But the thing that is happening. Now the trend that's happening now that I personally find a little frustrating is the no diet culture trend which for most people, I think can be a little bit of a dangerous thing. I bet I have I have a lot of friends with close friends who are nutrition professionals actually that would disagree with me. But I don't know Jamie, you know how we feel. Yeah. I mean I hear a lot about, like, oh, if you just focused on mindful eating, you don't have to eat low calorie foods. And if you just eat whole natural foods account is unrealistic. There are so many messages out there, and then there was like, I don't know if I hear it as much, but the fatten happy fat, and healthy like undestanding, all good natural whole foods, and I don't care from overweight. It still makes me feel better. It's just not realistic even people, I know some people that are very overweight, that have done, the whole thirty and like the lose two pounds. And like it's been the biggest successive. There live, right? And I mean, I think it's great to focus on eating healthier and making better choices. We can't ignore the fact that being overweight is bad for your health. That is true. And at the end of the day, it's more about that, like, what is causing us to be to get sick to not be healthy to not live as long as we can a lot of times it's just about being overweight, and, and you have to think about that. And, and a lot of people in our world know that, and that's why they look to hungry when they looked to all the content that we produce all the tips and all the recipes to really help them get to a healthy weight. And so we thought this episode would be great to touch on a bunch of those topics. The things that we hear over, and over are either things that people need help with or that they struggle with. And I'm kind of really excited about hitting those times. How about you, my accent, you excited? We're not eating so little disappointed, but we're not gonna talk. About peanut butter. Well, there might be a question about peanut butter. Spoiler alert. Peanut butter episode, we can do a whole peanut butter episode for you down the road on down. Yes. Yes, yes. But, you know, the whole idea of the unrealistic messages, and that diets work and like I don't care how you, you spin it, it is at the end of the day, you have to burn more calories than you take it. It's that simple. And however you make that happen. Whatever works for you is going to be your personal success. Like for me, I know it was about finally being more, realistic about the foods that made me eat more calories, like I used to think, oh, if I just eat things that were low in fat, or if I scoop out of bagel and put jelly on it, and eat fat-free pretzels. I'm gonna lose weight and I realize those foods just made me eat more home, trigger foods and for me trigger food for some people. It's chocolate and sweets. Not me. I can eat one Eminem. I'm happy. But it was pretzels. Like pretzels made me gain nine billion on twenty pound twenty five pounds. I would eat a whole bag of pretzels like and I mean eleven servings not like an individual bag. So it's not so much foods that are high in calories, but it's food that cause you to eat more calories because you can't stop eating them. Exactly. Yeah. Chocolate chocolate covered pretzels. Make you eat a lot. No. That would stop me. That's interesting. Chocolate stops me. Yeah. The chocolate is like, oh I like chocolate covered breads. I could have one take the chocolate off. I have to eat the whole, that's your diet. Then we every time we see with pretzels, throw chocolate chips on them to start pelting me with chocolate. I'll open my mouth. But yeah, it's like. At the end of the day, you have to figure out what works for you and Jamie, like you had a different experience. Yeah. And it's different than how I am today. But when I you know, so I've been about forty five pounds heavier than I am now. And what worked for me was a I needed Weight Watchers I needed something specific. I need you to tell me what to do. So the point system really worked for me. But I wasn't ready to give a lot of trigger foods. Sue for me was low calorie swaps. I eight of you know, fifty calorie fudge pop frozen fudge pop every night, and that was that was for me. What I needed to give up ice cream, and I still hit my point value and was able to lose weight. So it was a lot of baked, chips and low calorie, frozen pops and light popcorn, and I feel like most deprived that way. And, and I live more like in the maintenance. That's how I maintain but I still try to avoid those times. So it really is about well now you really, right? Those things, but starting out. And that's a big topic cover today starting out that. Was what I needed. I needed something realistic, and exactly today's diet culture. There might be some people say, don't light popcorn just eat a small amount of the one that worked for me. Or see two carrot right? Until that wouldn't of worked. Until that wouldn't of worked me either. Right for me. I would be eating the carrot because it's like if I had a little bit about porn. I'm gonna want more more. But it is the number one thing I can say is people pay attention to how you're feeling and how foods make you feel and a lot of times, people just don't have that motivation to start like they wouldn't that I think, is something has to snap in your brain. Like, I don't know sometimes for some people, it's like I saw a picture of myself, I went to a wedding, and I was trying on bride's maid's dresses. And everyone else was a size six and I was a size. Six ten exact story by really? Yeah. That was a breaking point for me is that I had a wedding to go to size. I'd never worn before this bridesmaid's dress. They run so small, I know well feel bad. It was still of a, but then cut to six months later, I was going to another wedding. It was one of those dresses you could wear again. And I packed it and went it was an hour and a half away. And it was at the hotel, and I went to zip it up, and it would not move and I finally got it up, but it was like busting. The scenes and I show up and my very thin. Cousin is wearing also floor length red gown and she's like a size too, and it was just like it was so humiliating. And that was what I needed to just be like, I don't wanna be this. I don't wanna be sad and it made me sad. I still can't get over the fact that you brought the dress without trying it on. Newslink weren't six months ago. Wow. But that is, you know what that was your moment? And that's what people need people really need that. And once you have that moment, then you're like, well, how do I do it? How do I start? What, what do we do to kick this weight loss off in what's the right program for me? Did you have a moment like that? My moment was more. It was about sitting with a trainer. I was sitting with this. I remember his name should I name. His name was Owen mckibbin, and I worked for one brothers at the time, and we were working with him on an exercise video. There was something about him. He was on the cover of men's health all the time. He was cute and seemed very energetic, and he started talking about giving up carbs like if you don't eat carbs before four o'clock or or after four o'clock, I don't even remember what it was. And I was thinking, wow, it was at that moment that I realized, it's the carbs, it's the dry carbs that are getting to me. And after that meeting, for whatever reason I was like. I'm giving up those carbs forget about four PM or six PM. I'm going to say thirty days. No dry carbs, and thirty days turn into a year because once I I let them go that works. I didn't miss them right like, once you stop having them. You don't really miss them. Do you think there's a way to force a moment? So let's say you don't have that experience. Let's say you're listening to that. You're like that sounds great. I wanna be kick started. But I haven't had that moment happened to me. Is there a way to kind of trick yourself into that? Yeah. Like I would say go if you're not happy with your weight. Let go put on some outfit and you feel like you won't look great in and then look at yourself or take a picture of yourself and maybe go to the mall and pick out like you know reasonable goal outfit, like in fifteen pounds. I could wear this alphabet. Yeah. That's that is good too. Or just find something in your closet, that, you know, you love you always felt great in that sometimes more powerful. You know, but something anything you could you could force that mo- now to, like envisioning. And I know we talked about this earlier, like who do you wanna be in six months, you know? And if you think I want to be comfortable in my own skin. I want to be able to wear pants that actually have a button and a fly in aren't stretched pen. Yeah. As I sit here in my lightning and six months is going to happen, whether or not you're this is ten pounds, more twenty pounds less that time, if you think that time is such an investment, and how you ever make it no matter what that six months is going to be here. Guess one six months? Yeah. You might as both. Yeah. You might as well be person that you're happier within a little bit smaller. This can be your moment. Honestly, this podcast could be your moment where you say you know what six months from now. We should do a six month. Check in should know this is great. I'm you know what? This is motivating me. This is great. So when you decide like one of the questions that people ask and specific specifically aerial be has asked. How do you calculate? How many calories, you should be eating and went to decrease as you lose weight. Like, that's another thing, people don't know exactly how many calories, they should be eating and you hear so many conflicting things. But the short answer is there are places. There were resources even online, it used to be like, you have to go to a medical professional, you'd have to ask people. But there are online calorie calculators, they're not perfect. It's not an exact science, everybody works different, but these online calorie, calculators take into consideration. Many factors your gender your age. Your height, your weight your level of activity. And then you plug in all that information and it spits out number that's usually pretty accurate. Yeah. And it's a good starting point. That's the thing too, is you can always. And we talk about this in the Hungary Earl diet. Start with that number see how it goes for week if the scale doesn't budge okay, maybe decreased by fifty calories, like you know, you can, it's a starting point. Yeah. And there are diets that do that guesswork, that do that hard work for you. And that's probably why Weight Watchers is, and I always said it was a way to help you count calories without counting calories. Yeah. It tricks you into when you can't points essentially, you're pretty much counting calories and certain Weight Watchers plans, I don't know. They always change up their point system, and there were ways to cheat the system to this day. There are ways to cheat the system if you have nine bananas, ripe, bananas zero point eight nine bananas. You're not using waiting unless it's all you eat all day. Don't do that. Do not do that. But like you can always cheat the system. But you. Only cheating yourself if you eat the system. So, and we even have a diet plan, hungry, girl diet. It's a good one on rate, Jamie. You were spearheading overseeing our test group. Yeah. We had a great test group. They lost an average of ten pounds in four weeks. And that's not just the successful people that's every single person we averaged it and they lost an average. It's amazing us. Great. And those diets there's a twelve hundred calorie version, and then a fifteen hundred calorie version for people that either way, a little more or a little more active and you don't have to count because it's all figured out. We give you the we tell you what you can eat, and you'll hit those numbers, and we have really easy recipes won't do it. Oh, you look fantastic founder to what if you lose ten ten I lose town. I probably go. Just try it for Jason. I met I was ten pounds lighter. You weren't my gosh that we put Mike on the hungry diet. We can do it. I've put people on the hill. I could do it. No peanut butter. You have to eat a lot know peanut butter. There is a lot of food. That's the thing there's a lot of food, and that diet is based on. Okay. So we'll talk a little bit about this. I am volume meter if you think about volume metrics, and eating more and, and feeling satisfied. That's me. Like I did it bug me a little when people were like there's too much food on the hungry. Girl died. I can't eat it. All. It's like come on. You didn't you? You're, you're not maybe not being honest with yourself. If you didn't get to be if you have fifty pounds or eighty pounds to lose you don't have that because you think eating a piece of toast is too much food. It's people are eating more food. So if it reading it in not being honest, or you're eating at a different time. This is a way to eat all that food and have it be. Healthy food, and you eat it at the right times. And it's just great. Yeah. It's like we've photo, we should run that photo of the amount of food. Oh yeah day. Yeah. We'll run that. Yeah. So if you need help that specifically in even to jump start. I feel like I'm not big on fat diets, and I'm not the hungry all die. It's not a fad diet, but it's great jump start. And there are other ways to jump start. So for some people, it might be the whole thirty for some people. It could be Kito, although that's so not it's a little bit foreign in our world. It could be a master cleanse. I lasted five days, by the way you dabbled with intermittent fasting, right? I have. Yeah. I like it. I like it. If you can if you can do it. But, like I know people and if you're out there listening, you may know they do intermittent fasting and they lose and gain the same three pounds every week. So it's not. I like it. I knew someone actually that got really thin by not eating on Fridays. She just. Didn't eat on Fridays. And she looks amazing. She ended up losing fifteen or twenty pounds. She became a trainer. She did it and I, I would eat so much on Saturday and Sunday, that would not work for me. Maybe you should do Monday Monday would be the day with no food easier. You know what's great, though about the hungry all diet, like it being a jump start and not a fad. Is that it teaches you it teaches you how to eat that when you finish that you all of a sudden they're like, oh, my God, I can have giant salad for three hundred calories or I can have teeny tiny, you know, Walker junior for three hundred hundred same weight. Watchers I can't believe I remember in the early days, I would meet women who are in their fifties and sixties, and they would say, I'm never eating a bagel again, I ate, a bagel every single day of my life. And now that I know bagels nine point or whatever it was at that time of changes fluctuates, it's probably now twelve points knows the big New York bagels. So you're learning. Yeah. And once you know, you know, that's why I don't think that diets ideal. But I do think they're great way to like reset. And so you're like, now I'm like six pounds down. Now it's going to be easy for me to just make those walks in find something else. Well, what else I know like along the same topic, Sherry C had said, you know, I would love lots of tips for those just starting out like what are some specific things that we can do to kind of get started? Okay. First thing you can do, right? Everything down like literally right? Everything today, I went and got the mail, there was a letter from everything that you e. Okay, got it. A good teacher. Elementary school teacher. What are you running everything that you do your always writing at home? He's just writing complaints about you. The sense. When you're like babbling on, and I'm knowing you, it's because I'm writing down my food rating. See and I have like scratch paper. I talk about this all the time all over my desk with rent, you can tell how often I clean, my desk by like seeing the things that I ate from four weeks ago on paper quest bar. According to this paper. So I don't keep an actual journal have acute notebook, I do, but they're all empty right. But on my desk on my paper on my worksheets, I have all the little things like eight pack of one hundred calorie almonds, blah blah, blah aid beef jerky. You know, it's all there, because the problem is you forget, especially the older, we get we forget, everything, like, so people are like I didn't need anything today by moms, always tell me eight and nothing today. I'm like, mom. I saw you eat breakfast sandwich. I saw you didn't orange. Don't say you didn't eat anything. So if you write it down into there it's like right there. And you can't forget, it also helps you make better choices. If you know, you're gonna write it down, like your less likely to go eat handfuls of popcorn after lunch and the kitchen. If you know you have to write down a half handfuls of popcorn it's like keeps you accountable. Right. And if you have the popcorn in your hands, then you can't even right? Yes. Exactly. And then also it's about your attitude. Like I always found growing up with my mom. Who was a yoyo Dieter. She had this very all, or nothing attitude. And I feel like it's not beneficial. If you're a person is really trying to make smart choices and go on a diet or start to lose weight if you screw up. And you think while I'm going to go back next week, I'm gonna eat everything this week or I'm gonna eat everything today and start tomorrow. I feel like the all nothing attitude is bad and don't beat yourself up if you're not perfect now you could always be good at your next meal. Or if you eat too much during the day, you feel like you've snacked a lot, and then five o'clock rolls around, you can always skip dinner, if you already had way too many calories, just don't eat the next meal or you just make a smarter choice for that next meal. It's not all or nothing. Yeah. I used to do that on a daily basis because I tried to lose weight. So many years before I actually did. And that's what I would do like three or four o'clock, I would give up on myself if I made a bad choice had three hundred four hundred million dollars. Give up. I still had hours of the day left, and I would just throw in the towel. Yeah, that's the worst time about nighttime because it's hard. Some. Sometimes just go to sleep early. Yeah. Or you know what I would do is get on the treadmill or try to like move more. So instead of eating more move, more, and that feels really good. But another thing you can do is just make very small changes and swaps. Like if you start out by really paying attention to our top swaps, and that is everywhere in our world, be it. The podcast we did early on or all over Hungary, go magazine over the website, do lists of swaps. You make little trade outs. And you can save so many calories, we'll put some links up on hungry dash dot com slash food cast to some of those big swaps, but things like egg whites instead of eggs almond milk instead of dairy milk. Right. The, the type of beef that you buy extra lean ground beef instead of regular beef baked chips, instead of regular, and all those things will help you with and then sit mini goals like instead of saying, I'm gonna lose fifty pounds in the next six months. Just sit smaller goals say. I'm gonna try to drop a couple of pounds this week. You know, drink more water and try to stay full like whatever you can do to set many goals, and drinking, a lot of water is a good thing to do in general because I find especially there are a lot of times of not drinking enough water, especially from travelling, and I think I'm really hungry, and I'm always like thinking about eating emergency snacks. And then I'm realizing I just need a drink a bottle of water. Like I don't I don't mean a huge bottle. But like I used to resent that tip because I thought, please, you know, the Zia that you're not you're not really hungry. You're just thirsty. And I'm like, I know when I'm hungry, and then I would do it would force myself to chug sixteen ounce glass of water, and I'm like she was right. Helps it totally helps doesn't dehydration make you feel hungry. Like that's so that. Yeah. By the way, spe-. That's a good point. Because also something that makes me feel hungry. Now there's research about it, when you don't get enough sleep. I feel like the next day. I'm just so hungry. So all these little things play into. And then did you see on the news last week, they say that natural or not natural light? The light of television. If you sleep with your TV on you're gonna gain, weight, what's, there's like some study, we should put on legs mental messaging of like watching TV commercialized for sant-. It's like it's about not sleeping well enough in your hormones or affected, because you're if you're not in Remm sleep. So your body doesn't shut down when you go to sleep your bodies, actually. That's when it starts. That's when everything burns so that totally makes sense. Yeah, it doesn't get to reset charging your battery we're gonna find a link to that more fish than what might just but it was, but it was bad. It was like you gain ten pounds over five years, or something, or like even worse than that, okay? Another thing that you should do to set yourself up for success is to fill your fridge with all the healthy good stuff that are ready for you to grab and eat. So you always have some kind of a good snack. It's the it's like the it's the big version of you always have emergency snacks. You, you always need your Fitch your fridge to be your you need your fridge to be filled with things that are good for you that are easy to make. Yeah. Put together, I have hand to mouth syndrome, where it's like if I'm hungry. I just need to, like, put my hand in something so baby. Carrots frozen grapes Turkey slices. Like I have to keep the healthy stuff. Thing of Grillo, pickles, at Costco, just can see pickles, pickles, pickles, Turkey pickles grapes, whether they're frozen or not, or in my world, always have lots of fresh fruit fresh veggies. It's just it's helpful and then another thing you want to move a lot. So to me, I don't know. I'm a slave to my Fitbit. I have this fit flex, probably for the past, like five or six years. It's the cheapest fit, but you probably they probably pay you to take it. Now at this point, they've been like sixty eight versions of it, but I haven't, and I like it because it helps me know when I'm getting my active minutes at when I'm moving and I pay attention to it. And I it makes me feel good. If I've walked fifteen or sixteen thousand steps or if I have forty active minutes, and you can get active minutes doing things you love the mall. You can try things on even in my closet. I get active minutes by trying things on. And if you have a pedometer, or of flat Fitbit, or any one of these trackers, even if you have an iphone that you're holding in your hand. It's hopeful. Do do us do you guys know I use the phone that health app on my phone, but digital that, like my fitness pal him show, the other ones, too. You can link up your fit bit and your, your health app on your iphone to that. And it can adjust your like your calorie intake like your how many more calories, you have left of the day. Yeah, it's pretty cool, but you have to put your food in in my fitness. My can it read what I wrote on paper. I'm in trouble. Okay. So the next topic we're gonna head on because I think we pretty much covered how to start how to get started. This is a big one, and I, I know we're sort of jumping way ahead. But I think it is the number one thing that we hear all the time, what do I do about hitting weight loss, plateau super common very, very common. Like, we had some people like Kelly K. She said, when you hit a plateau, or you're struggling, what can you do? Good question. Kelly. K marras. Gee, what does that sound familiar Jamie is that your moment's, my mom? She says she's been maintaining a forty five pound weight loss for forty seven years how Gomez and she wants to lose another five to ten at won't budge and she's like my just use eating the same way. Please help me and then dawn also says she's been maintaining weight loss for a long time and wants a lose another five ten and is really stuck. And sometimes those last five to ten or the hardest to lose, I totally agree because I go up and down not a lot, but as a five. Tall person if I go up five or seven pounds down, it's like two sizes. And so, I know a lot of times if I'm just like in recipe testing mode, and food eating mode in the office. I might gain a few pounds then all of a sudden it's time to go on TV. It's like I wanna look good and address on this show that show. So I wanna lose a little weight. So I experienced that same thing and for me it's about changing it up, really changing, what I'm eating and really, really cutting out those things that I had to cut out in the beginning. Because right now, you know, I said, I gave up all dry carbs. I'm not gonna lie this morning. You know what I for breakfast? I had a half of an English Muffin with smoke salmon, and some tomatoes and a little bit of fruit. But I ate that half an English. Muffin and I would never if I'm trying to lose five to seven pounds quickly or whatever to really shake things up. I'm not having a half of an English Muffin, maybe that's extreme. But I'm just not because I know those calories affect me differently. Right. I don't think it's extreme. I think it's knowing yourself. And not kidding yourself. You know, it's you're basically doing yourself a favor, you know that that's going to trigger you wanna eat more throughout the day. Yeah. And I do think that if people change the calorie counts, like sometimes I shake things up. It's like I know I'm eating a lot more on a Friday or Saturday. Then I'll say you know what I'm gonna eat a thousand calories or eleven hundred which some people say is really extreme. If you do it for one day, look, intermittent, fasting meeting zero calories so do the calorie. What do you even call it calorie confusion? I don't even know what is your name for metabolic confusion. Don't throw around that word Bollock Laker scientists I wrote into everyday language all the time. What's like well there's a metabolic storm coming. No would seriously. Like if you find that, that works view, like change up your calorie amounts that can help you and also if you focus on. I think that thing that works the best because when I was dropping weight. The fastest I was eating in a boring way. Like I was hitting the same thing all the time. And I was eating whole foods. Like I think the most the most controversial thing I was eating like deli Turkey slices and that's not exactly like, necessarily a healthy thing, but I would eat a lot of lean protein fruits vegetables. And that's that, like I wasn't really drinking soda, and I wasn't eating a lot of sort of, like swap foods. I just was sticking to f- whites and salads, and things like that. And that I guess, in turn made me eat fewer calories. Yeah. I had a pretty serious plateau for about a year. So I lost thirty pounds. And then that lasts fifteen. I just couldn't shake and for me it was. Absolutely. I realized I went through my day and realized how many of those talk about cheating the system like low point like things that were one point. But if you had two of them, they were three like they were high one point foods, you know, like, like, Vitus. Yes. Exactly days of those little candies. What the heck were those choice you fritzy's? Yeah. Oh, yeah. But you love these chocolate things from the chocolate car. Yes. From the diet. I remember what? My, that's what my day looked like it was a lot of low calorie, high fiber thing. Fiber. And when I cut that stuff out and just for a couple of weeks, even fruits veggies replace them with it. And just mostly whole foods like shocked, my body into moving again and I'm not opposed to, like I really did. I tried the master cleanse where you that crazy lemonade with the Cayenne and I did that like day one, you feel like you're gonna pass out and to you really feel like oh my God. This is I'm not human who can do this day three, you have more energy than you never had in your life. I remember that week, if you do it for like five days, you might lose that weight like my good way to jump start. So anyone who's hit a plateau, you might want to try something extreme. I don't like not unhealthy, but more extreme place. Remember hunger, galls, not a doctor when in doubt, consults consent physician. Yeah, I have no credit. No, no. Got street, plenty us to rosary store crab grocery store credit. But I, I really I have no credentials. But I do have a lot of friends who do have Grenfell's and we talk a lot. We do. Oh, yes. We know lot. We do despite the fact that we don't have official credentials anyway, I think it's why people like us and then again, it's good to track and measure, everything. Like I think it's great. I'm not saying you have to carry a scale around with your elbowing knew somebody who did carry a scale around with them. And that is like not pleasant you could be like flava flav scale. Stab at big scale around your neck, but it is good to Wade measure things because a lot of times, you're eating more. You're like this is only three of chicken and at seven, and a good example of that a salmon, because I eat a lot of salmon, and salmon is kinda high in calories and Italian fat. It's very, very healthy. But when they serve you that slab of salmon. Sometimes it's like eleven ounce of Sammy's Louis, and that's all that could be a thousand calories. So it's good to measure and weigh your food or a new idea. Yes. Oh, no. It's called the wallet scale. So it's a skill fits in your wallet or the wallet itself scale. So you put on the table, you put a piece of the deli paper called, and you totally paper, put your meat on their your how can the iphone, not do this all ready, the iphone scale up, they do is predominantly can totally be we're stealing at making up. Thanks, Mike wallet. Because then we can so wall. It's to lie. Let's know don't quite actually, the phone will eventually be our wallet. Anyways, so make sense us, keep it on the phone. It will you think? Oh, yeah. We're going to be a cashless society within like fifteen years. I bet. But I never have cash in my wallet. Exactly this conversation and plots. Talk about plateauing. Okay. Next thing you need to do is at some exercise, like move around move, I've been badly like I have not been on the peleton in a long time. I try to do other stuff. And I did when I was in Boston last week, I was I was walking. Fifteen sixteen thousand steps day twenty thousand steps, one day and feels good to move. And if you have your active minutes, and I try to do stair climbing at home. I do like these big staircases in my house up and down up and down move. Just do anything to move exercises key. I would say, we've covered this before it's not about exercising to lose weight, but exercise is great for maintenance, and it helps you burn extra calories. The biggest problem is sometimes people overcompensate, and they think if they do a little exercise they have to eat more. It's not the case, but you do need to move I should move, I think to the same way you talked about changing your food, and like shaking, your routine do the same thing with exercise. Like if you are another thing I was doing I was in a rut, where I was literally walking on a treadmill. I'm watching TV. I was kidding myself into thinking was burning calories. It was still great start for me to get active. But then when I hit that plateau, I started bike riding, not, not crazy bike riding around the neighborhood by grind, right? But it was more. Yeah, I wish I was a runner. I wish I could run ma- not. I'm not a runner. It's really hard on your knees and your ankles, like you really have to be in good shape to, to run like it's not. It's not easy. I tried to run a couple of weeks ago, and it's just I was in pain for a day and a half. My probably two days like it was just it's, it's tough. It's tough on your body. Yeah. Yeah. Gotta find what works for you. All right. My last hip, this is just my personal tip that I'm trying to tell everybody. I don't know why. Because it works so well for me. If you would use your, starchy carbs, it's going to help you, I feel like there's something about bread or crackers, or rice, or potatoes, like a lot of those, starchy carbs, they are just they're killer energies apertures to, like they make me they put me in a little bit of food coma. Yeah, that's how I feel about if I have any sugar, I get into a coma, like I fall right to sleep. But whatever it is. It's gonna make you eat more to me, start he carbs. Even if it's breakfast cereal anything, that's, like a starchy carb, it really makes me crave more. So if you really. Trying to be serious about it. My advice, reduce those starchy carbs. And then we also have a whole podcast, right? It was like the top eight ways to overcome a weight loss, plateau episode. Oh, yeah. That's a good one. It was great. Yes. So find it, they find the link to it on the food Gus pages. Well, good idea. All right, next topic, how to handle emotional, or mindless, eating Jamie. You're pro my life area. It's your life. Like I have to say, I, I eat all the time like and I'm always hungry. I'm not really an emotional eater. I feel like sometimes even if I'm sad. Like I eat less, so it's but so many people like Mary de are there, any good resources for dealing with emotional eating, and Johnny, Johnny or Joanie looks like Jon? I think it's Johnny, Johnny. H how do I avoid nighttime? Mindless eating there's just a lot of people that are like help me, help me, help me, one thing that you can do. And this does work for me like, and it's not about me being an emotional eater. It's like if I'm hungry. I look for. A distraction. My number one distraction is shopping. Anytime, I'm hungry. If I go to Nordstrom rack, I don't think about food. It could be three hours by go to the mall. I'm not thinking about food. Yeah. That works for me to distraction. Yeah. And also, it took me years to find a hobby something I actually enjoyed like I'm just not really. I know now I go overboard, but she's a Crafter people. She makes she was all over the coaster thing for a while. Now. She's all about the candles, your candles, like I want to eat your calorie free link to those candles to, because you are, so this, this hobby helped me a distraction for you. How like one can distract themselves by buying the kid show. It's shopping crafting at one nobody really does. I feel like when you because it's when my head is like one of my mind is wandering, and I'm just like it's need to distracted. I need to give myself something to focus on, when I'm working on crafts, when I'm making candles, I forget, and I never forget about food. I'm not that person. That's like, oh, I forgot to eat lunch today. I know I hate those people the candles are our food flavor. Not forget. Because all you're doing sniffing, but anyway agree distraction. And like for me to distraction is like change my environment. So when I'm at work, sometimes I get like that afternoon lull. And I'm sort of like, oh, the food in the kitchen. Looks good. I will immediately. I'll ask you. Can I take Wally for long? Lawley benefits from that telling you, I am not it's totally selfish. Helps me more than her and then drink watering. No, I just mentioned that a little while ago. But it really does help if you're thinking about not mindlessly eating because you think you're hungry just drink some water and that'll be a distraction as well. And you should just remove whatever it is. That's so tempting to you like I know when I'm trying to be good about not mindless leading. The worst thing you can do is walk into the pantry and have bags of chips and foreign and things just staring at you high, the stuff do you know, spring, cleaning sprinkling that pantry get rid of that? And if you know, like in my house, there are some, we have earthquakes applies all over the place and some of the stuff we have. It's like big jars of peanut butter and cashews. And if that stuff was not hidden in cabinets, and in places that I didn't need a ladder to get to. I would be like, hey, I want those cashews quake supply cashews, but I remove I remove them from my rental say the earthquake supply kit should be. Yeah. You should. Able to have access to it like ready like my husband's. But okay as long as he under a band high up. Yeah. It should be like under a bad or in the freezer. You mean in case like the freezer doesn't work. Well, your freezer will work for twenty four hours after the earthquake takeaway. Here is Mike, you need to double check our earth, quake kit, and make sure I didn't eat all of the nutrient dense. The can't believe I didn't even think about putting peanut butter and that with great kit. It lasts. It lasts a long time. And then just keep like healthy snacks around. That's like a given always talking about that. But keep the healthier stuff around. And then if you really need help, I have to say, I have a friend, Heather Jones, officially, she's Heather k Jones, Heather J Sweeney, Heather, k Jones dot com. So we know what the case stands for. Cook. Karen, I don't know well fast, we're gonna ask her, but she's great. I love her. She is so inspirational and she's got this. Her whole thing is like, feel better, eat better. And she likes to help you feel better as a person, and she says, if you'll feel better, and you're in that, right? Mindset you're gonna make smarter eating choices and she happens to have this whole weight loss mindset challenge. It's like this thirty one day challenge that you can sign up for, and I don't know, she has videos and little workshops and there's support group online, she's terrific of you need a little bit of a kick, and you need someone to help you. I love her. Yeah. It's a really great resource. I signed up for the mindset challenge just to see what it was all about. You got access to a private Facebook group. That's like, really supportive women that are struggling with the same things you get these little motivational graphics. You can kinda like put on your desktop. You know, it's just really a lot of self love. And Heather is just a terrific person. Like, if I sit there if I go, you know, she comes to a book signing, or we're out for drinks or if I see her for lunch. You just sit and you talk to her, like, you're like mesmerized by her, first of all, she's beautiful, and she was struggling whole life with weight loss until I don't know, when I don't wanna say whole life, but she's to have food issues, and so everything she says just really resonating. Now, by the way, she does a lot of work with Gina HAC skate cheese. So together, those two are power house. Love both of those girls. They're great. But I'm definitely check out. Heather's her website, headache. Jones dot com, and we'll find out that was great. Yeah. I would send that to her with a Bill. JK. All right. The next topic fat burning metabolism. Jennifer asks should give her last name. Jennifer see. Jennifer says are there types of foods that specifically can aid in boosting metabolism and fat burning. I have that same question. I have been trying to get an answer for that question. I always ask my professionals about that one, because that one's definitely over my head. So today, we are turning to our friend, Monica reindel. She is also known as the nutrition diva. But she's a sweetheart a diva. I love that name though. The nutrition diva. Yeah, she's a license nutritionist and author and the host of a weekly podcast called nutrition diva. So let's see what Monica has to say. You know, there are some foods that can increase your metabolism, and that could theoretically cause your body to burn a little bit more fat examples are things like green tea or Cayenne pepper or vinegar. And sometimes you'll see these referred to as. As fat burning foods. And while it's true that these foods can increase your metabolism. The heaven is in the details. A teaspoon of Cayenne pepper, which, by the way, is an awful lot of Cayenne pepper to take in, my cause you to burn an extra ten or most twenty calories per day. It would take an awfully long time for that to add up to a noticeable difference. So I think we can feel free to include these metabolism boosters in our diets, but probably best not to expect any miracles. All right. South pole and depressing at the time. No. But speaking of the kind pepper like I do find if I buy seafood's, they make me eat less while they make you drink water. You feel fuller and so there's another benefit. All right. The next topic. Are you ready? The eighty twenty approach. I don't know if you know what? That is Mike knows because he works here. We did you did a whole eighty twenty episode. I was glad you were wait for that. That's good. He's awake eighty percent of the peace. That's his eighty twenty approach to life. But penny by penny m penny. Penny who's been on the hungry. Penny. Now. It's penny. Did you I employ eighty twenty rule when you were dining or maintaining? That's a very good question, actually and for me, I really mostly started doing that when I was maintaining, but having been an eighty twenty advocate and a pro in the eighty twenty world since then I've sort of changed. What can you like just sort of generalized? What is eighty twenty names? Yes. So it means that eighty percent of the time I am making I mean, the general meaning is eighty percent of the time you're making smartphone choices you're doing the right thing. You're feeling like whoever was watching you would be proud of you twenty percent of the time. You loosening the reigns. And you're maybe having a bite of this rope bite of that or just not being as strict, but there are different ways to approach twenty like, even if now I approach eighty twenty like, if I'm give you a perfect example, like I am now in a sort of, I'm watching my calories, I did have that half of an English Muffin this morning. That's my twenty today today. That's my today in. That zone twenty so it's more like with the carb approach to. Yes. Normally your fruits and lean protein when you're in weight loss mode cigarettes percent is the English exactly. But to some people to twenty percent is, is to buy two cheesecake, right? Or like part of a desert. It can mean whatever it means to you on that day or anytime. But I just think it helps keep you accountable now. And it'll real you back. If you feel like you're sort of spinning in any way, my eighty twenty is with, like artificial sweeteners, and fake ingredients. That like most of the time. I really am. You people looking to L. You're such a healthy eater. And I m but I allow myself ten to twenty percent. I have those sweet coffee drinks in the morning and the probably like twenty calories and yeah. Use things like sugar free coffee mate. It makes my lifestyle realistic me able to do the healthy eighty percent of the time, because I have those little treats exactly I do the exact same thing. Like I really cut out most of the artificial sweeteners that were in my life. And I was someone like. Back in the day when I first launch hungry girl. I was that person who used three Splendors in my ice coughing like I just did that. And now I ninety percent of the time or maybe eighty percents. I'm not having it. But, like, if I make my cocktails, which I do and I love my little slushy, I'll use those drink mixes. Yeah. Yeah. They either have splendor aspartame, but I just and sometimes trivia, or like a stevia thing, but for the most part, I don't have that. So it's that's your personal eighty twenty while I feel like it goes along with that whole, like when we were talking about getting started getting rid of the all, or nothing attitude that can be such a barrier to success. Because if you have that hundred percent all or nothing attitude, that's really hard to live up to, and you get is hurtful insert full to your overall, 'cause so even if it's about eating whole foods versus packaged foods, or all natural versus not natural eating at home versus eating out. Whether I don't know it's just about an don't beat yourself up again. It's okay. That's the most important thing. So eating eight percent peanut butter. Vegetables. That's good. That's different. You're mixing this up the other way. Yeah. I wouldn't even I wouldn't even say twenty percent peanut butter. That's just what I would guess that his sandwiches are eighty percent peanut butter and twenty percent jelly that is that's that works. But, you know, and these days because I live with someone who is a practicing vegan, my niece vegan food and, and, like I am such an animal lover. I do. Like I try to say okay, I'm not going to have meat on this day, or I'm gonna go with you and eat vegan food, or eat vegetarian at least for a while. That's another way to eat eighty twenty four like the whole because they do say, the flexible -tarian diet is like super helpful flexibility in means, it basically is you eat what you want when you want it. But, like sometimes you're vegetarian occasionally, you'll have a little bit of meat eaters, more, flexible. Yeah. Right. It's a good name flexible area anyway. So it can work in any way you want it to work. It's whatever you want it to be you just have to hold yourself accountable. All right. Final topic of the day what is. A typical day of eating for me, that's isn't really a topic. I guess it is our final question. I thought it was a good one Lizzy are says you should share a typical full day of eating, it would be interesting and helpful to hear how you implement what you discuss. And maybe how you also deviate from the strictest the strictness as well. So, yeah. I mean we may have touched on a little of this. But a typical day of eating for me. I'll just run down, like a wick up really early in the morning. And I like to start my day with my special drink like, I have this drink. It's like this my potion. It's got a little bit of vitamins use e boost and I use some collagen, and a little bit of Metamucil, and I make this drink, and that drink depending on the day, probably has forty to sixty calories in it, and then I'll have a piece of fruit at some point, or maybe an egg wider to like a hardboiled egg white. So, like I start my day with maybe around one hundred calories early in the morning, then mid morning, I'll have some another two hundred calories somehow whether it be a yogurt or if this recipe testing here in the morning, I'll eat something. But I know like before lunch sometimes I'll have up to three hundred calories and a lotta times. It's about having, like a like a fi with an a small apple or something of that nature or more Edwards because I'm a protein maniac, and I will always have containers of. Beaters and Edward Senate. Just throw him in a mug and, and mix them up at truffle salt, which is my favorite on a day, where we're not recipe testing. I would say lunch is gonna be more of a salad on a recipe testing day like it's so unpredictable here. But I will always try to say okay, I'm gonna do I'll go back to the kitchen. I'll say Erin, I'm going to try to have three hundred and fifty calories worth of stuff, whether we're trying products and or recipes but that's probably not the most helpful for this. But I would probably eat something, like lots of chop Romain lettuce with grilled chicken lots of veggies. I go easy on the dressing. I'm not addressing person dinner often will be sushi is I get some sashimi and some sushi. But then I eat probably I always get very little rice, and I don't even eat all the rice, but I need some rice. I am a person even when I'm going strict. I really have to eat a little bit of rice. So I do that, that maybe an eighty twenty thing maybe in the world of civilizations, making me once. Sushi go, I know I better get sushi. And I eat a lot of fruit. I really do like I'm not a person that you won't catch me at home. Eating a whole lot of like, big chips, or even occasionally, I do always keep like enlightened ice cream in my house. But maybe that once every week or two it's, it's mostly, like push it on my guests because everybody loves it, and I'm such a fan, but I do like my emergency snacks are things like hundred calorie packs of nuts, and eat a lot of the meat, sticks and jerky and fresh fruit. I'll always have a bar. I don't eat a bar every day. Like I know people that he bars everyday bars more for travel. But if I'm just like laying low and home for a while I do tend to eat pretty like boring. A lot of a lot of grilled salmon a lot of growth chicken, a lot of steamed broccoli. I ate a lot of Vigia noodles if I'm making food at home. So and I do everything from trader Joe's. So I have a lot of cauliflower in yoki, my freezer. So I don't know. Does that answer the question? Yeah. I think that's great for people to here. Yeah. I mean do splurge. Yes. Sure. But mostly on the weekends. And it's mostly when I'm out do sports you change. You know, I don't believe in cheat day per se. Maybe it would definitely works. I believe it works for people if people are if that's their eighty twenty. Right. But more like a cheat cheat meal like, you'll, you'll have I don't you know what sheet is like a weird word because it has such a negative connotation, but you'll allow yourself to have like I know if you go out to your favorite wrestler, like the pretzel bread a few bites of the cake, that's sort of, like, yes, I do. And that's not really typical so, like, you know, I will often if we go to the deli, there's this, like giant, that's the deli that you guys like to Loveys. They have this giant, brownie sundae. That's like the size of this table. And like if anybody orders it like probably only once one out of every like five times that thing comes the table, will, I stick my spoon and take a bite of that. But I do sometimes. So it is it's just not typical. That's not what I typically eat. I do eat a lot of Greek yogurt and I eat a lot of veggies, and I eat a lot of fish, and I eat a lot of I love beef. So like, I I don't a lot of it. I used to I think eighty percent of the time when I'm in a restaurant order salmon now and I used to order a lot of like steak still loves take. I don't know what it is. I just feel like I don't eat it. So I'm kinda boring. And it works for you. Yeah. And you eat a lot of the same things over and over two. So I if you find what works for you stick with it. Yeah, one of the things that really was like a game changer for me is used to be Grazer. So like morning tonight, there was no opportunity, even if it was healthy foods, I would just graze and eat all day and now I probably eat three meals and three snacks day. And it sounds like a lot. But it's like thoughtful, it's like I know I'm having one snack between breakfast and lunch, and that's it. And you're not just gonna eat. All right. But I'm not just going to eat from breakfast straight through lunch. So it's like if I have an apple or my oatmeal, that's my sack. And it keeps me, you know, I, I like eating every few hours. Yeah. And that's what does happen to me here because a lot of times like very rarely do I eat lunch here. Like I'm always picking on recipes of this recipe or but of that recipe. So, yeah, I mean, you're eating a meteor just not sitting down at meal, but you're getting probably three hundred calories for sure food. But if I told myself to thing I was just tasting. Things then I had a big giant salad. That would be too much. So it's you know, but I'm the I'm not I'm not near that way in many ways. So good that this wraps up this episode. I think it was really helpful. Yeah, I kinda wanna listen back to it. And here's some of like it's, it's just good reminders. These are things that we sort of know and talk about a lot but really like thinking about them as these are like our toolbox. 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PMS 2.0 372 - Massacre Week Comes To An End, Budda Baker, Ian Rapoport, Tom E. Curran, & AJ Hawk

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PMS 2.0 372 - Massacre Week Comes To An End, Budda Baker, Ian Rapoport, Tom E. Curran, & AJ Hawk

"Hello feel good. Friday march twelfth. You're going to like today. Show i think it is a perfect vibe cetera. Going into a weekend. Don't you think i mean it's literally the definition of a field friday. The massacre week. And i do believe master week is going to have a little bit of a hangover in the monday and tuesday because teams are still going to be able to make moves before the league. Year starts on wednesday. We did break some. You know show news today about yeah unfortunate. Espn you should stick around for that. I think you'll enjoy. The announcement is ultimately big picture. Good news for this particular office. I will miss our friends over there. Oh yeah without question. We kinda just gave away with announcement is now now. You have to listen to hear all right. Let's get to the show there. Are some news happenings coming out of the nfl world. there's cam. Newton has signed back with the new england patriots on a deal. That's up to about fourteen million dollars. They are saying one. More year for cam. Newton as a new england patriot. We'll talk about that a lot today. I'd assume at some point tom. E curran of nbc. Sports boston will be joining us to hear what new englanders think about this cam newton signing because we have a boston stooge in the studio and i'm not sure his opinions reflect that of everybody else up there but this seems like a good move and seems like all patriots fans are relatively thrilled with this decision. Because they didn't think cam. Newton had a chance to even win last year. Got there late team. Had nobody bunch of ops are now got cam newton back where they build that team with the free agency money that they have that starts. Next week i'll be excited to see. But if new england patriots start to win again you know what that means for. All of us patriot. Fans are back. They went patriot. Fans are back. Everybody in the sports world seems to be a little bit frustrated with it. What's up tommy. Turn in about twenty one minutes about that whole happening. Tom brady has restructured his contract. Saving nine hundred million dollars for the tampa bay buccaneers who just signed devon white to a deal in also they are making deals happen on a daily basis. I guess the cap guy down in tampa bay is an actual wizard. I talked to some people that have worked down. They don't have some thoughts down there and they're like wait till you see what this guy does. He's going to save one thousand nine million with tom. He's able to signed back. Chris godwin on the franchise. He'll do this with white and wait until you see what he's he's gonna keep everybody down there including shaq barrett somehow leonard. Fournette probably gonna make money somewhere. Good luck to him. He deserves it. Hell of iran. Maybe he goes back and we get a chance to really watch him. Continue to build in that. Bruce arians offense with tom brady but it feels like a large majority of the tampa. Bay buccaneers team's going to be back in their evening. It'll be able to make some more moves. They were just over the cap a day ago. Now they're very much under the cap speaking of the cap this week. One hundred eighty two and a half million dollars. Was the salary gap that led to what some people had predicted was going to happen and something that we have really much not enjoyed but have had to happen here and hopefully today will be the last day of this but we should look back on the week that was in the nfl. For us massacre waco is all started with a tweet by espn. Nope sorry an employee that works at a worldwide leader happens to have the name diana rossini it all starts with a tweet from her said. She was talking to a coach and he described next. Week is gonna be a massacre with the salary cap with players getting cut and that was no lie. Tau van noy was released just hours. After that sweet was put out then that continued in onslaught the saints started cutting everybody just this morning. They cut somebody to save money. Because these teams who had spent in spent in spent finally ran into their makers whenever you kick the can down the road and make deals bigger on the back end of contracts. Because you're expecting the salary cap the grocery. You're expecting your team to be in a much better place. Uncle covert comes through and drops in elbow like macho man randy savage great impression. They start firing people. Cutting people have to get under the salary cap names that we had never projected to be released from their teams. This early were cut or hoping. Today is the last one. But it wasn't just football where players people were cut. Jobs were ended careers potentially over and it wasn't just because the salary cap there was a couple other things that died this week to we're talking. The internet made jack burger. King took a little trip in massacre on headline reads burger. King apologizes for women. Belong in the kitchen. Tweet never want your company associated with that burger king potential victim of massacre week as well when negatively starts to happen in the nfl eight oozes into other places bumper. John's died again. Aw again this guy's a cat might have nine lives. He died a game. This week. Headline rates papa. John's former ceo says he's been working to get rid of this n word in my vocabulary for twenty months back guy on god data again. That is might be the dumbest thing i've ever heard and listen. I vetted it we were thinking. Hey maybe he's talking about like the association with his name no no. He's been trying for twenty months family members. Come out and say you should have seen him nine months ago. Nine months ago we would have never thought we'd be where we are right now. You should have seen him ten ten months ago. Wow you think we would allow him to do an interview. No way i think was too there was too much. Hey at i've worked twenty months down only months. There's been some there's been some. There's been some relapses here. I am twenty months after that thing. Bad week for papa john again what are we didn't even know that was possible him now but he was just kind of thought he was dead. Who's down that again. He wasn't the only one though by the way how the royals the roy. This happened headline reads. Megan reveals concerns within royal family about her baby's skin color. Never never thought that headline would exist. That happened this week. Now william who is the brother in law of the person who told the story about her baby skin color potentially being questioned he came out and said. Hey listen no. It has been set out there. We are very much not racist raisins at all. How racist all cleared it up. Don't ask any questions. they're potentially dot com. Nobody could have expected to hear this. One lenny myers what's buyers mars. Include this guy's dead man leading. Here's the headline he. Big meyers leonard uses anti semitic slur during livestream. Can't do it. nope can't have it. Massacre week did a lot of things that expose some terrible expose some terrible things. It got a lot of people that are just hard working. Dudes trying to live their dream. Fired massacre wake also exposed us to a- terrible loss by west. Virginia that potentially costs be ten thousand dollars middle of an interview with jordan. So what i'm saying is this is the last day that week. So let's remember that as we go into the weekend that when we go into next week. Hey it's money. Time agencies happening didn't pay the people people were getting high or stadiums. we're going to be filled. I guess how ask go on. We don't know we're all gonna win every single march. I mean it's just. Hey this is the last day a master week. Let's go ahead and get through this. There will be more names released. I believe during today's show. I feel like the grim. Reaper is gonna come and go every once in a while because this is really the last work week even though the work into the weekend before the legal tampering period into free agency frenzy. There's a lot of salary cap situations that have to happen before the league year starts next wednesday so look for things that happened today look for some conversations and hopefully with some of your phone calls one eight eight eight mad dog. Sick in rapport will join us and buddha baker. Who is supposed to join us in a and i it may not work now. If if he's not earning that highest paid safety paycheck that he does every single. We will hopefully talk to buddha baker. now. I haven't really been able to look this direction. Okay because while. I was speaking about massacre week doing my thing there. We have something absurd in this particular student. Okay so ties here what's up. I'm doing good how you doing. hey. I'm i'm ready for mass week to be over me to trying to figure out what the packers are going to do. Here the saints are all of a sudden under the cap packers. Still need to restructure a few things. I want to know how much money we have gone into free agency but as massacre week comes the end. I'm starting to divert my attention towards the hawks who are flying high tonight lucas oil. Luke's i walk is lost. You remember how much money i lost on his hawkeye team. Whenever time would come in to what the first ten games of the season thousand. Hey hey hey listen tonight. Hawks lewisburg tonight hawks line baby. I lost so much money on this show. We paid attention to hawkeye basketball for the first time ever. Because you're doing guess what was happening. Money was just flushing out of the account. Well if you've been listening to me lately. I believe the hawks have won seven of eight. Yeah exactly so. They're hot at the right time. Three seed in the big ten conference in the nation. I mean i tell you what. I don't know what i i got the hawks at eighteen hundred to go to the final four or the national championship. I mean i. I'm sure that's much lower now because they have been looking so damn good and soaring so high but hey maybe sprinkled with west virginia s virginia. Yesterday that was tough by the way. Shout jordan boy hanged himself like a professional watching ten thousand dollars. Slip away after to pump things. Just walk shoot the thing kid. You're a great shooter and hopefully this moment will carry mcneil into the big dance where we're still probably two seat. Okay because how damn good we were all season and hopefully that kid will just start lug and fly and hopefully when he starts let them fly they start going because if they're not going in huggins pauses ass out we don't get to see you law and we need a three point shooter on his bad culverts unbelievable he had to get fucking these yesterday. Who's going on what's going on not over there new kid we do something they'll be back okay and i'm betting on i would again okay so i'm talking about how. How much are they favorable. I believe as of right now. They are minus four wisconsin. Okay that's no problem. i'll get out. I just got into a minus nine for with michigan because connor told me. Oh god damn lock down nine right now. We're down eighteen on this thing and you got no problem with this at all how you feel good. This is the thing about march madness. We talked about this earlier in the week it was scattered amongst master week. Conversation march madness is classic. Bet on people. you didn't even exist. That's right. I hammered georgia last night. Okay bet plus eleven and a half hammered and you know what because i remembered they. They've got tom cream down tong. Trees coast coach at the hoosiers. I never seen georgia play basketball. Not one time the fact that they were getting eleven and a half points that early into the game means they probably stink is the first autom- cream there. I'm betting on them. If i plan on my call reggie. Bush was so good. I'm betting on. You have no idea who it is fantastic right now. It is a great time to be a sports fan and is a great time to be alive and that leads to this. There is the most ridiculous thing i've ever seen. Okay rape four shows starts. Moon man walks in alleged address in ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the new cova cowboy turned this. What is that it sad why he said so like i always got the jews. You be defending always been great on the field. He danced on some logos which bothered me and stuff like that and dance during the during the cadence of hover playoff game. When we're losing to team that we've never lost to before. I get that you defend the guy like yesterday. I said something along. The lines at juju doesn't respect the blue collar workers of pittsburgh and the steel workers that built that city. You did say that now we as soon as you said that we all said whoa whoa own all. And i just don't get it. I mean those same jujubes love going to brunch on mount washington and then taken the incline down the cianci's in the strip of inside pittsburgh jokes. Here this will do well in pittsburgh having themselves a good time you know. Walk across a clementi to a nice buck. Goes game tall. Who do you think built that bridge. The steelworkers you're damn right and now. Those jujubes are disparage and steelworkers. That built that great city. Are you kidding. Built this great country. What i never in my thirty three years on this planet. Twenty seven of those years being in pittsburgh thought that i would have to defend steelworkers of pittsburgh but here you caller workers. A pittsburgh is the cowboy. Vote thing as you were talking slide. The answer just a sad day that we've been we've been divided between the juju bees. Yeah and the blue collar of pittsburgh and we can't just unbelievable. We'll come to an end soon. I hope when he leaves. Aw one final dagger back. So that's a be suit beekeeper. Super a real real. I walk outside right now with a bunch of these fucking whole mess so me right has been in a war on the internet. Okay and this is not his battle with this particular Army that he is going against the juju. Juju smith schuster fans because digs even though. I'm not sure that everybody. That is his size shape. Age and build. Would fall on the old school fans like team. In this entire thing about juju but digs is become the mouthpiece basically one of the mouthpiece now listen we know mark bad is definitely one of them is now digs. Feels as if he is actually one of the mouth pieces though steelworkers those in digs not just by the way. I'm not saying believe me digs. Might say it right now but digs did not start this as a voice for the st orders. Okay no mahthir blue-collar water authority municipal worker. Your father blue-collar driver derek. I mean ninety. Five percent of that city's blue collared. Okay that's a you were speaking. And then there's the hospitals which blue-collar my book dollar city. Hey frontline. I just don't understand what's happening anyways. So he represented those people that hated juicy antics in his fans. Fathers obviously has a massive brand and he's a good football player who puts up good numbers for the steelers. There's been a war a real war in this is not digs first time but this is the first time and he decided to bring in a prop and i want to let you know things. I appreciate what you just want. it felt. There was no way people thought i was kidding on the internet. And i brought this beekeeper suit. Hey i'm real really serious can be. Yeah a beekeeper. Suit you know helps you in this thing. Yeah yeah for sure. All right well good luck. Are you wearing at all day or just until the battle ends. we'll see. Are you currently in a battle right. Now what is it just tweets back and forth. you ever do research on the jujubes. Do you go into the profile to look through previous posts of them find photos of them long. Filters you do that. A lot of saying so you're saying they're fake actually question your authenticity and your first filters over that filters pat. What is it just gamers that. Mostly it you know. Get it to protect the city bro. There was a steelers blog this morning. That just we'll tation marx wrote out a quote and then put dash basically this guy and it was basically dig says the worst human on earth and they got it has been become quite a day for digs on the scene. Own your needs to frame of that tweet. it's going to be hanging fuck off. You should sell it and not think about people selling tweets though something about feel good friday. Here let's go to brian in north carolina. What's going on brian. Going patent both feel good friday. Happy feel good. Friday to you as well brian. Where are you in north carolina. I'm from newburn. North carolina on the east coast now mother. The beautiful land ocean okay. Authored by the atlantic ocean sharks out there right. You a shortcut to care for undertows i was. I was at a beach. Wanson carolina for a wedding. And i was out there. You know feeling the waves probably just person to be honest with you know. There's people yelling on the shore to get you know so we go run then shocks swimming aspects like actual good sized shocks swimming around no thank fuck with the real oceans over now. No way can't do it. They got real things in there. That will really kill you in your watch yourself. Don't don't go out and shark week. Brian what do you want to talk about though only whites question. Why when you're watching the nfl game why we're talking the defense being tired. And not the offense running the a place substitution tired so brian substitution reasons. So obviously once the offense subs. The defense is allowed to solve as well. And that's why they stand over the ball and everything like that for that entire thing but a lot of your key positions corner safety linebacker. Those guys you add a corner and dropped out one linebacker but a lot of guys core guys are in all your packages strictly. Because you don't have a lot of guys that are at that athletic ability that can keep up with wide receiver so whenever they talk about people getting tired and i might not be the perfect person ask follow up with. Aj hawk in third hour. Who's actually lifted. But i think the thing is the key guys. you can't take out so while the offense is now offensive. Lineman you talk about offense lineman being dead ass tired. There's that conversation to be had but at a skill positions aside from quarterback normally. They're the kind of come and go type situation. You learn about wide receivers who have like ninety eight percent of the reps or something like that in that is always by the way highly appraised like look at ninety eight percents insane because running does an object and then if you look at most of the corners in the league who are running alongside of them and then they have to get back up there up there as well. So it's it's very impressive. I could never do it obviously. Wide receivers every single practices attract meat though so they get a day to day worse than the corners i think but in the games those corner safeties run all day. And you've got to react and if you beat one time its potential game over in your the worst play. Run to and mix it up a little bit and go after corners. Who don't tackle that. He won't tackle or whatever. It's like. Man if i had to run five miles a game and this guy is what seventy pounds heavier than me. Maybe i will just. This is my guy. He's not doing anything. I'm not doing that. You see they call it. You know like brother-in-law you know. Hey don't brother-in-law whatever it'd be very hard not to like. There's been a couple of guys after. I've made a few tackles where they run up to me and you see them like on offer where they're looking at me and you could see their like are we blocking are we recorded utah. Good yeah yeah yeah. Yeah we're good. we're good we're good we're good. We're good that's why you know. I believe i forget his name. The guy from denver. He's a good dude hilarious dude. I've had interactions with him on the internet. Since then the guy who is supposed to block jacob tammy no wasn't jacobson wasn't another guy but new jacobson who was a tight end. All i should know his name. I have a bad person for this. He's a really good dude. Anyways at the end of my tackle against trindon holliday. See him on film. Go like this. Because i do believe i broke a very much unwritten role where i think i set up. Potentially that we are. We're we're good. We're good and then i hit a spin. God was maybe the most athletic thing i've ever done. Which is kinda fucked up now. You know hindsight. I think that is what is in high. Interactions have been since then. So i kind of broke that code. But you gotta do what you gotta do. I mean everybody says but then you're kind of ruining the brother-in-law thing where there is some agreements that are made on field by people so like for instance the next two years after that there was people coming to kill me. Oh my god okay. So we're not. We're not backwards run. You know you got okay. Could you see linebackers take blocks on and then to shed. I tried that a couple times how to go. Hey just doesn't work out like it looks like it should be because you've got to really you got a punch in shades. A violent thing. I try to at one time. I thought of brooklyn my finger. One down is like whole jersey. Didn't move anywhere. But i broke. That now is a man that's in the game with the nfl literally for the nfl. Insider host of rap sheet friends. Ladies and gentlemen in rap. It's going on and going on and yesterday on this show. I lost ten thousand dollars in west virginia. Lost live while talking to jordan. Now i bet nowhere near that amount of money on michigan because i knew beforehand that foxy was betting alongside of us. That game might end at some point here. I might have a reaction. I am listening to what you're saying. Because i have a lot going on in your world that i need to know so i might be distracted. What i'm saying. I mean this sounds like when i'm talking to my wife and she suddenly looks down and she's gone on had no idea what i said. Right she goes. I'm sorry what's up. Hey hey that's a moment on the other side though by the way with your wife if you look down at your oh whoa now now. Never done that. I've seen with the. I have okay. Obviously with with my wife in a look down at my phone for something something will happen. And she'll be speaking. We're in a conversation when she gives what was that. And then if you don't get it right got like a real. I feel like that's a real test. You know that's a real moment there where your brain like okay. Okay if we don't get this right like can't do this. Does your disrespecting your wife than at this point so then it's like get this right can also maintain potential things that have to happen right now. Let's go ahead and really think about this and it's like i agree with what you're thinking about insert name of object. You're talking tell me more and just go in there and it's like it's a big deal. That's not happening here though we okay. I'm dialed in. We're in the middle of the end. I'm sorry we're at the end. The massacre week here a lot of players getting cut restructuring of contracts everything. Have we missed anything today. What do you think is potential moves that we should look here. Seems like a lots getting done on this business week friday. Yeah i mean it seems like this is sort of the. I hate the word calm before the storm. Because it's actually pretty busy but it's everyone's getting their house in order right. Seen a couple players cut couple teams redoing contracts to get some cap space. Like tom brady signed a new contract this morning in his seven jersey and then city wants to win eight company would have to get a new sweatshirt but whatever he got his thing done patriots get cam newton dunn everyone just kind of setting themselves up for free agency making sure that their houses order. There's a couple more things that will probably be a happening later today. you know we've got the most. Oh just you know. It's not how long you until three could before that so long but you'll be like but you'll be like oh okay. Yeah okay. that's the thing kind of well. I'll tell you what there's been a couple of things you have done that to where we've gone that that's not i think i think but then there's been somewhere you've gone and we're like oh acid thank you think. What are the reaction you think. Do you think it'll be above are massive disappointment. We've had for you before the will be it's re no. It's a real thing it's a real thing. I don't think you'll be disappointed in my reporting. I think you'll be like okay. He mentioned something. And this is something. How do you give me a lot. There's a lot of things the next week or so. This will be one of those something okay. At what point do they have to have things done so that. Like what point do they have to be below the salary cap because there's all these accounts that have an active todo on what the salary cap is and what it could be. We know one eighty two and a half million but with other teams and everything like that. When do they have to be under in. How do we know what can we did. A like a victory trophy may be for some of these teams whenever they get under. They're like congratulations on figuring out. Even though you had to cut half the roster i mean when the saints do it. I think everyone will be like all right like great job. Even tired will be They gotta be under by the start of the league year. No one's ever over. Because everyone does it thumb and i you know every year i kind of wonder how much to actually care about this because it always gets done but restructures do matter because it gives you less space in the future and you can't do as much in you know this year and maybe next year and free agency so like it does matter. It's not like the salary. Cap is fake point credit card bill becomes do so so i do pay attention to it but there's a lot of inside baseball stuff. It's going on now. That i think most i are you. Just tell me on signing the inside baseball things i think are what we're seeing happen with these voidable years and everything like that. I was in the league. I've been franchise tag. Signed a deal everything like that. I feel like i was pretty well. Tivoli in on what contracts could look like with escalators. And all that shit. I've no idea what these voidable years are. Wh- what is this. And how does this go. Is this kicking it down the road are. They inevitably going to have to fix for instance. Tom brady has three voidable years at the end right but his salary cap number drops nineteen million dollars. Because they just move to then. How does that whole thing work in. This always been around. It's been around. It hasn't been necessary for most teams like the saints have always done it. But it's basically you of kick the can down the road for a couple of years. So here's what the bucks did in my simplest way. I could possibly explain it. The extended tom brady one year. So that means he's under contract for two years now total. They added three voidable years at the end. Which are five years but the three years are literally fake. They don't exist. He will never play under that contract for those three years then they gave him a signing bonus they spread the signing bonus out over the five years even though the three years are fake you could still counted for salary cap purposes so you spread the salary cap over you. Lower his cap drastically. Wow this year. They saved twenty million dollars against the cap of eventually. They're going to have to settle that up essentially in. Its running a bar park. I'm sure he did in college And probably right now when people whenever people go to bars at some point you got pay and some point the bucks well but it's not going to be right now so voidable years last three on the end. There's a lot of people doing that right now. If thomas to i'm not saying he's going to okay. I hope he plays for another ten years. But let's just say for the sake of this conversation. If tom was to retire after these two years with those three void voidable years that are against the salary cap still maintain. What would they still have to pay that money against us. That would that be dead money then. Yeah they would be dead money but the boxer and teams are sort of really getting into this. What they do is they would reach a deal with brady. The saints with drew brees where you reduce your salary. You add years to the contract and then you spread the capita over several years so they would do something contract wise with a player. Who's retiring to make sure that the cap hit doesn't all come at once. That's a. that's that salary cap. People dive deep into the rules. That's what they're doing there. I mean these are the kind of things that when i tried to explain it. I always mess it up. But i think i may have gotten it right. You did ask for iran applause. There do appreciate because you do. That was made me understand idea what was going on with these audible years so good job. That was awesome out. You are Digs high in looking at your twitter. It's happening right now. I'm sorry to interrupt. Why do you look like that beekeeper. Suit in because the fans juju smith schuster are the juju bees. They were attacking me so i had to buy a beekeeper. Suit makes pretty much bigs lot of sense if you think about it. Yeah i i'm with you. I think it's. I'm a little disappointed that you didn't just have one but i guess the fact that you're all in means good call relatively quick. Though i i think after hearing the stories and was due. Have a beehive on the property. We're moving to so this will be used on more than one occasion. And this is not his first battle with the jujubes. He has been here before. Which i believe is going to lead to this point. I saw what are we got on your twitter yesterday. Not likely but possible in the reference to juju smith. Schuster coming back to the pittsburgh steelers when you say possible. That's like what one two percent right. It's not. I mean i would say ten percent so they could do it but they would have to do some gymnastics i just i imagine he will have a better opportunity all somewhere and i just it doesn't feel oh no one's talking stores are trying. It's just when a player is going to have a good market somewhere else. Team doesn't feel like they can re-sign but you actually really interesting because you're obviously very talented. He's one of the top receivers but he's kind of been up and down the last couple of years. I wonder if he takes a really strong one year. Deal and says you know what. I'm not gonna lock myself in on three for thirty. Three say sets a fake number three hundred thirty three. I'm not gonna ask myself in. I'll take one for ten and then go make sixteen year. The following year proven. I could see a one year deal coming. Be interesting and by the way judas a good businessman. He knows that if he has his best year at a new place if he was going to a new place he will get paid much more than potentially right now coming off the season that was for him even though he had a great year. It's not the numbers that you know. I think some teams would give if he was a great year next year Go ahead do you ever have sheet is for the patriots signing and cam. Newton is that gonna track is like golladay and hunter henry and we'll like the top tier free agents and also quick follow up on nfl network. You always have your light on but when you come on this show reason you don't relied on the night vision goggles to seal. Why what's the deal. Is that because you want to turn our lights off. You want to make after after electric bills a little respect. We actually annoyed. When i when i put these lights. And they're on all the time and on my going to kill my electricity bills and actually look at it affects it almost zero regal. No show yeah so usually. When i'm on tv the lights are off okay. And in order to turn them on. When i'm not on tv like today i'm not on tv. I'm just making phone calls. I have to call our control. Say hey my life to turn my lights on today. How is that possible. How's that even. That's on me. And i know people like hey. Why didn't you get the you know. You didn't get a reminder from the mac of show or you know andrew howard didn't let you know i'm not gonna blame anyone else you know this is i would say this is on me. Get a light switch blaming a lot of people. You know what i mean. It's on me this deal. We're going to send a socialite over there permanent thing by the way we'll get you on could turn on yourself. It's just one of those we'll do for because you do a lot for our show you do a lot. Shown we do enjoy it a lot. Now you don't give us the breaks that you have you know what i mean because obviously the nfl and nfl network saved in my phone right here though. I have a question. How long have you hold onto this. How do you think somebody else's potentially going to break it or is there only a certain time you're allowed to break it. What does this go. Whatever. it is has to be completed before was reported. Still in my phone. They're like. I have like fifteen. Things got are pending. That i may never break or i may or whatever just you wanna be ready. You don't want to misspell like tom brady or something. His contract breaks. You don't do that And then everyone's like l. wrong. And then you know the the responses are bad. You don't want the anyway. The cam newton question. I don't it's interesting. It's definitely something it's not. It's a relatively low deal for cam. Newton it's more like five or six million than with the upside is a lot heavy on incentives. It doesn't preclude them from doing anything. So what it does to me is it says the probably not gonna trade for jimmy g. They're probably not going to sign. Marcus mariota but could they draft. Someone like absolute. I think they. I think drafting someone is very possible. And basically sets them up for free agency and says we now have a quarterback. Is it going to attract top tier free agents. Like i don't know because obviously last year was not great for cam especially after covid but at least it gives them. The quarterback covered was very early in the season two. I mean that was. That was very very early. I think another year in the system maybe some more players with free agency potential opt-outs coming back in the covert season. Maybe new england be able to do their thing. Good luck with the big news break. We appreciate your time man. I can hang with you guys. Pray for me this week laying pretty negative week. I mean which is hope for some wins. Okay now hold on. so what. Like for instance. There was a screenshot of your tweet and then insiders tweets in. You're at the bottom of that. That screenshot that's like for you. That's a goal. That's that's touchdown you wanna be. I saw i in the time on those screenshots touchdowns basically though that's like the that's the thing. Yeah yeah now. When you're you know. I when you're seven seconds behind. That's the opposite touchdown. Whatever you know. It's a pick six by the way it's shows that in those screenshots too. It's like thirteen seconds ago. Forty-seven seconds ago. It is matter of snack. Turn your back and then you receive the tax junior like this happens and then you put it out. You're seven seconds behind. You just lost the fucking game right there. Oh no hey. Gods did some winced a lot so this could be a lot of at bats next week. Let's go ahead and swing that thing. You being a lefty. It still show weird to me all right bye. Most guys have tried different ways. Charter last lou. 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I thought that was fascinating. Because there's been a few little nooks and crannies to fit into over the last twenty years since the internet. But you're exactly right. This is one that people of your particular age group. Which i'm not in you hit the right spot. I think was smart. Well tom i appreciate that. He's referring to the ten questions. I did with cow. Brandt where. I elaborate a little bit about the decision on retiring and how. I viewed the internet as a modern day. Gold rush at the and right now. It is i couple years ago. Was that definitely factored into my decision. And then obviously whenever you learn from david erica and everybody over there about what's going on. It's a help. But yeah i appreciate you i. I'm a dumb ass. I am dumb ass if something starts looking like the universe is telling me something. I will listen which also makes me a dumb ass but it has worked out thus far tom. Let's talk about the universe. Let's talk about bill belichick. Let's talk about cam newton. Let's talk about your hired. You were calling for bill bell check. Come talk to the media. is that right. you're like hey we need to talk to. Bill was outside go. Hey we need bill obvious contention. Was this okay. Okay ending that. This is businesses usual efforts. Seven and nine season the first year without tom brady here and pretending that i can give everybody a hi hat. And i don't have to go show up and talk to anybody that is whistling past the graveyard. If you're robert kraft and you have a four billion dollar company you probably want to be able to give the advertisers and the fans the season ticket holders. A little bit of an idea that you have a plan in place now doesn't want to do that. You can say the reason rubber. You have a four billion dollar company is because of me so thank you very much you want to stand up and talk which get but the general take that i was putting out there was if we could just have an open forum and dialogue on this and you can say yes screwed up. Maybe i should have kept brady. I you know i think he's gonna be. There's no way that that'll happen. Even if he comes out now. I think the world only gets to see his postgame press conferences. You guys now that have patriots access media access. I would assume you're you're got access to the building every day right daily. You're in there how. How often do you guys actually interact with bill belichick in does he give you guys locally anything more than a gives. The national audience post games. Well over twenty years. It's changed pretty drastically key. And i had a tremendous relationship and it would be if i wanted to buttonhole and ask them further questions. After a press conference to to help me understand things he would absolutely got hold him still. Don't think think he we haven't been in the building. I think my general coverage tenor in terms of saying that. It's a mistake to move on from brady and belichick kind of pushed the door. He's not immune to hearing about those things and at some point he just puts a line to the name. And i think that the lines of the name so but i've had a good relationship with him over. The years brought covered. Thank you build bella check in that. We know office right from tom. Brady and sit downs. We know what is this. Looks like he has all that shit. Right there's a think of the wall that just has like who is on the. Do not give them shit that that is awesome to think about but the funny thing is pat is when you do have an opportunity to talk to him. I mean basically he you exactly the way you would expect them to. Its supposed to do. What do you think i'm going do. I asked him one time about a player who was of threatening an old albums going to open a garage thing so he all stories behind the scenes. Like you would love him. Everybody that's ever been around him told me like. Hey you would love bill. Belichick has personality. I wonder why in assume he views it as a competitive advantage to give the media absolutely nothing. But i wonder why because when he's on nfl. Top one hundred show with rich eisen listening to him like the appreciation of the game in the history and the moments and everything like that. It's incredible nick sabin interview and then the two bills thing like anytime you see him behind the scenes. He's awesome and in those press conference trolls at all times. And i i respected. Assume it sucks though to be a media person who has to cover it. It sucks dance it becomes negligible returns. I think a lot of it is that he takes it as you know. Whatever i say you're gonna contorted anyway. So why would give you another one business. He's right horses year. Friday press conferences. monday postscript. I would say that he is probably sixty percent better than most people think that he is. He was good to hear generally speaking now. Now now why do you think that was because he was always very complimentary of cam newton. Now they're bringing back cam newton. He was raving about cam newton. Do you think that's because he understood how the team was going to be last year. Do you think with this money. He has now cam newton coming back. He's at the point where he did not enjoy like what do you think he is. Yeah with everything right now. Let's let's flip straight to the camp stuff and talk about that. It's to me when you look at it. He needed to resign cam. So that when wednesday comes along and curtis samuel or corey davis or jesse. James name whatever receiver says. Who do you guys have playing quarterback. They're not just looking at an empty chair he can say. Well we got cam. Newton coming back you know. He's on a reasonable contract. We're not done there yet. But we have cam newton cam when he's at his best and master. He wasn't at his best for a variety of reasons. But you're part of the solution and then we want you here. So that's the jumping off point. The second point is they do have an understanding that the guys that surrounded brady and twenty nineteen and surrounded camp twenty twenty. We're not good. And they were even worse than twenty twenty because eshelman was hurt so all of that entered into the patriots. Say look if he's gonna come back on a modest contract. We need to have somebody sitting in that chair. Why not just bring him back and get some momentum. Andy said bill was dope as shit a couple of weeks on the podcast. Which i'm big fan of connor uncle tom. Tommy current here. Do you have anything absolutely tommy. Look great guns look amazing you just list some unbelievable free agents but you see anybody like hunter henry. Kenny golladay will fuller. Any of those guys possibly come into new england. This cold the whole conversation changes a little just wrapping up a court. I don't know why that couldn't wait till the end of show i. It changes the conversation. You know five days ago l. Said you know no way kenny. Golladay is going to go to. The patriots was what he was intimated to him. Maybe that changes look. He gets the new. England's cam gives them a goofy nickname. They start having fun together. The next thing you know you know they're winning a couple of games. At least it changes the conversation. Maybe kenny golladay is somewhat enamored of it. But i still think if you're a player wants to win a super bowl. I don't think this place to come. I think if you wanna maybe be around the greatest coach ever done it. See how it works so that you can tell your guy. I know what this legend of the game of professional sports was like and was in it. Then you can do that. But i think the patriots to go seven and nine. Last year with the players they had the players opted out even if they improve. Their talent is still kind of wealth all the ceiling us. You beat the hell. I'm sorry thom the hell out of the teams that they're on a level playing field with they're going to probably put a scare into a beat some of the teams that are a little bit more talented than him. But when they get up against the ravens or who else the tennessee's or you know teams like that about the cheat. The chiefs is what you're saying. The city chiefs should be mentioned in this. Yes over by the way you said that i think coming out of training camp This past season. I think it was this past season coming out. Training camp. connor was like. We're still going to be okay. We got bill bell check. We're going to win ten games. Going to get into play blah. It sounded like foxy with the detroit. Lions almost tom. you literally said they haven't gone. This team stinks out of college. Better so being connor. Look the best thing you can do right now. Is you. Start looking at the draft. Do whatever you can get. Kyle kyle pits and cam. Newton think work together tight end. Not florida those not for ethnics at this point all of us before you start paying attention bring him aboard. Get freelance twenty years old from division to go get kyle. It's going to be an all pro for about the next eight years straight. That's what that's what you watch you watch. A cal. pits play says named cal. Trask was the quarterback as interest. You had to play and you're like hey that's a guy that's an nfl guy right there. Okay that guy right. There is an nfl guy. That's playing college kids right now. He was hitting seem balls that he was just go and he was. He has an incredible catch radius in. It's like well perfect time to be a great tight end as well because the entire. Nfl is set up to the title. Even the baltimore ravens. That don't do the offense that everybody else does it. Kind of changed their entire offense three. They use it. Everybody uses the tight end now. Great time to be that guy. He's going to be incredibly incredibly wealthy because he's an incredible satire. The up you kind of just covered right there but do you think there's any way that the patriots do potentially go after a quarterback in the in the first round maybe not even necessarily the first round. But it's pretty clear that isn't the guy. So what are they gonna look post game at all or no. You gotta talk to bomber. What we're talk to him. Hey by jordan palmer owes us a carson palmer bobbleheads right because clark jordan. Finally yesterday talked to him again. Tell him he a carson palmer bobblehead jordan bombers given us incredible breakdown on quarterbacks but yeah write that down please thank you thank you. But he was great. I think we're all kinda out on his performance or said don't call us we'll call you but jordan palmer's basically saying he will pick up the phone jarrett stidham and say don't forget about me so you're right about that. I'm not predicting great. Dispere jarrett stidham. Because it's been so even but what would they do. The hard thing is to be where they are i mean. Do you wanna take mack jones with a first round. Pick in pass on a linebacker front seven player. The patriots front. Seven doesn't have anybody who scares you aside from dont'a hightower. They have free agents. Who are going to walk out the door john. Simon perhaps adam butler um lawrence guy dietrich wise he's not household names to begin with but there's lawrence guy. He's no really what what just happened there. Oh yeah well. If who's larry. Lawrence guy i you guys great. But he's a free agent. Somebody's gotta pay. Oh i didn't know he's very good for him. He's going to get paid. You have a follow up to the cow pits point. Tom how are we gonna move up into the top ten if we do. We're going to trade joe more. Another one of the young players might have gilmore always on the block. Settle though because he's making seven million dollars in salary in this coming year. It's the last year of his deal. Good corners like xavien howard byron jones darius slayer making close to eighteen million dollars in salary. Kim moore's been defensive player of the year. He's only thirty one so he's basically we're not we're not gonna pay well million dollars. Yeah they're saying we're not gonna pay him and they wanna get something back form in the last year of his deal. So do internet honey get up. I don't think you wanna get up. You have too many holes to be auctioning off first and second round picks so that you can go up and get trae lance. That's my contention you just have nobody outside wide receiver. You have no tight ends includes a guys draft of last year just attacked a break. My god you did. Stop talking about him very quickly saying saw this corpse that i should have put this light on. You said you look like a corpse polish. You do vote on one more. I mean it was banned. He was so natural. Tom we appreciate you man. All right boys got us great. I love this friendship. We've developed over the last few months. He has been pretty good. I i mean every time you come on here you make you make us all laugh route. You're you're hilarious human and you are too. I wanna see this. I'm going to stand up. I really didn't do that stuff about them. The internet i put on my glasses later. All right man. Hey tom we'll see you later to pal great to have you did look to the patriots it seems like you're saying doomsday your nephew here. Now it's going to be all bells and whistles pal playoffs getting up here. I was last week. I actually knocked on your front door which ran on the pontoon. Where are you from worcester. Yeah all the big. He's out of the big whoop. Is everybody in new england. The same person kind of funny. Yeah there is a strand. Dna can absolutely censored somebody. Within a few words. You could almost pinpoint what part of the state different say. It say the area when chester the revolution region amazon connor said this the other day we because we are talking about people from new england. Or whatever you know we got in this conversation and you actually came up in the conversation and then connor just out of his mouth goes like it's revolution region man and it was like. Oh my god that is sir. Is that how it's referred. I was like is that. I do know but i think there is something about that area where it's like you know there is like a. We're a pretty bad ass group of people here now. We're a very very very argumentative. Yeah we're going to blame everybody else. We are going to deflect here pretty good now. This is going to get pretty good. Guy walk the responses to the geeky pursued on the internet our next level. Obviously we have a man in full beekeeper suit intone digs because he is entrenched in battle with juju bees over things that he said about juju smith schuster not respecting the steelworkers that made it burn digs. Probably but another man. That'd be very proud of what you're standing up for the blue collar. People pittsburgh a blue collar man himself who has had a chance to taste the finer things in life because he has been paid. I think three hundred four hundred million dollars tiger gentlemen agent. How're you doing. Digs look good. Thank you paul. did you see him. Ask ian rapoport of the nfl network employed by the nfl. A question. i mean it is. You know there's a lot of dumb shit that pops off on this show digs. Bee's it talking. Ian rapoport about free agency news breakings. Maybe my favorite thing. We've done thus far reveal so i watched the rappaport not. I didn't know that was the first time digs was introduced himself as the beekeeper like today. I know not j what it's been the whole show hot. I know what i'm saying. I guess to ian. Okay yeah yeah all right obviously but okay so you kicked off the show. I didn't see the beginning with you. Came out in that. I just know this there no. Espn people on the show. Today age wise the mandate A lot of show memo around the show there in that i see. I don't know you don't really care about you. I've see. I don't know that's an interesting thing but yeah there's you know there's they had some good times or some of those. Were great friends. You know known for years. The allowed him more. Don't come can't do. how'd you find out. I got a text and then a follow up call from somebody in some other field to allow me the information or whatever so peter or slavski in the show. Wow that is quite a bummer. I want to let you know that. I am not happy about that at all. But he'll go on to do great things over there. We'll continue to. Probably you know just charge along absolutely. It was a good air. You know what i mean. Everyone we know how. I mean i can tell you. Oh no wrecks not raise back rooms mason could add the grim for come up could have been master. We could have been the end of the rex. Ryan era on. The show is over now not not become you for rex's out i guess. What about green burke. How greedy assume that means you're not going on what do i have to. I guess because. I spent a million dollars travel around the country working for that company. So i guess i would have to. I guess i would have to just kind of maybe not not ever going there. They to lack of time to do. Is that what j. Jet only joe shit. Oh out oh he missed it again. Could've done it again sean. That again right there. Don't want to throw you off. Friday the other friday anyways jet born with jet. Pass in dude man. I need to know what happened. You know what happens what happens but no. Espn the at least in the past like they were their employees. Like aren't didn't do a whole lot outside of espn platform whether it be one of their ratios or whatever. So they've been doing more. I just wonder. Is it just your show or they want. Espn and i. This particular show was single. I do believe that atari. It was good. Run joining us house. That could can't imagine why. I will say that when this guest was originally scheduled to be on the show that he missed it. Oh he could have been a guest alongside. Espn just came down this morning. But now he's he's back in the game he's back on the show. We assume he was working out getting better and better at football the other day when he missed his appearance here and made us look like absolute faulk instead. Joining us out. Ladies and gentlemen absolute monster for the arizona cardinals. Buddha baker a my versus four man. Like you said. I was working now. I was in the back yard and next thing. You know i get this weird facetime and you know me. I don't really answer numbers. That i don't so i saw and i'm like i don't know that man. We got you in the middle of a workout by the way like if we would have called back because the first time you didn't answer we didn't always probably working out if we were to call back and you were to answer he sweating and breathing hard. It's like we knew that's what are you doing right now. Is life just training eating hanging out. How are you how you taking up your time. Your house looks beautiful. by congratulations. congrats aid again. Like you said you know. I went to miami with the lady. Chill with her in no after that. Kind of just got right back into the weight room and started lifting you know so just been training and chilling the house. We know the whole. Jj watt situation happened and were you surprised as i guess as the rest of us were that he was signing with your team. Yeah i was very surprised i was. I was very surprised but very happy. Nino especially with chandler jones one of the best pass rushers as well so for me. I was very excited. You know make my life a lot easier. A are you working on. Maybe long-term speed a little. Bit fucked up morgan on everything. But i'm a fast guy. I know as guy you wanna race me. Just let me. Hey hey your shoes. I've been wearing to pace. How those sketchers at kfc learned all very well. You can see great buddha whenever you look at your team adding. Jj watt in the owner. Said it's going to be a seismic shift of teams. And i think there's still some money to be used. What do you think it's going to be to get over there now now like. Jj's obviously going to help. That is another weapon on the defensive. Line the defense. Has you know great upside especially with you. Flying around on every single plane killing somebody. How do you think arizona cardinals take that next step. Do you think you need another piece. What do you think it is wrong. Man for me is is. We had a great team last year. And i know this year with the organization we have team is going to be even greater in my whole thing to last year's pan. Attention to that detail. We didn't pay attention to detail as good as we could have been and that is why we had the record we hide but you know when it came to talent and players we had the players it was just a matter of paying attention to detail and taking it week by week and not focusing on the next week and focusing on the week ahead because you know like each days and promised right so each day. You're on that field isn't promises. Well so you wanna make sure that you're thinking about that certain day or that certain gain not going ahead. So that's that's the thing that i feel like. We're definitely going to work on a definitely be a lot better this year. Is that something that you can figure out in the moment already after the season's over you've had some some rough losses you look back and say all these are the things i overlook i didn't even realize it is actually wants the season's over you're like man you you know you watch film you know that next week but you gotta worry about the next week right so after the season you go back you watch all the film you watch you know all the stuff that you could have done better as a whole team in your like dang man like we deserve deserve to be at this position so you know we're just gonna put the work in. That's what i wanna make. Sure our guys no. We're going to put the work in. We're going to compete and where it's going to be a competition each and every day and you know for me being the leader that i am one of the leaders on the team. I'm gonna definitely emphasize. We're going to be competing paying attention to detail taking day by day and you know sky's the limit. I are you a vocal leader day to day or is more like a show. The way is more like a show the way guy. Don't really talk much You know when. I talk guys guys usually listen to me. I'm kinda lead by example type guy. I've always been like that growing up than you know. Always growing up the coaches would always tell me to talk and your words speak volume and for me. I was never. I'm never much about talking. You know. I'm kinda really about that action about action boston now. Leadership is an interesting thing. Though you know especially as you become by the way earn the contract that you got and then obviously the name recognition so immediately upon anybody. Getting to the cardinals. They know buddha baker. You're in a position of leadership. Is it natural do you. Do you have to think about that. Like hey if i show up a little bit late to something. Or if i'm not the earliest person like people will notice. Is that something that you actually have to think about day to day or is it just like a natural thing you understand. That comes with the territory me. I feel like it's always natural. Came with the territory. Even though even ever since i was a freshman or you know a rookie always had that mentality to be in their first and be out of their last and to put the work because you know like my my trainer back home with say the grind. He always talks about nine. And your mentality and you're only going to get out what you put in so each and every day i try to get out what i put in put in the very vested i can each and every day and i know that's going to make me better for sure man. What was that quote. That was a good quote. What was the quote going to be the grind. What do we remember what the question was going to be a good quote. I don't really We understand what you're gonna stop speaking of that grind. You ever watch film or any kind of old footage from like the seventies eighties nineties even early two thousands and are jealous of what the db's could do and how they could decapitate people man for sure. That was definitely a crazy time for me. I used to grow up watching on youtube. Of course i probably wasn't born yet but not ladainian thomson but lawrence. His whole mentality was craig. He's crazy dude and right before games. I'll watch lawrence. Taylor highlights on youtube and just getting that mentality entirely too to note not fear nobody and you know i love the way. He played the game because he he was always angry out there. And that's kind of how i am kind of a cool topic show person of the football field but on the football field that flips switches and i turned into a little tasmanian devil your mic ups are awesome. I believe last year. You actually were screaming. I ain't scared of no by something after you did that thing. It's a magical moment there. Do you still have to watch highlights before the game. Do you listen to music. How do you get yourself from the dude before the phone booth and then superman postponed. But it's like what is that moment there to get you into the Psycho mindset shall we say i mean believe it or not. I like to listen to rb music on the way to the game you know. Listen to some nice arm. Be some nice smooth jazz. My get money my head off. Drake non nice and mellow next thing. You know when when we start getting ready to work out. That's when i started listening to my rap music aerials. Doing you know push ups tricep stuff. Forget hype getting ready. Then once gang time starts off all my army music killed me down and now i'm about to rise again and it's game day. Baby is time to go and that is how play was the. I'm sure we ask you this last time. You're on but i don't remember your answer. How excited review for potential crowds back in stadiums. Did that affect the defense. A lot more you think. Then the offense obviously Yeah you could say that but then again having no fans really showed kind the skill you know showed guys talking. Show guys you know Being able to talk on defense especially at home games being at an arizona and endured so loud. Been quiet for the defense at home. I mean it was definitely one of those situations we we kinda heard offense kate. It's better heard what they were audibly into all that type of stuff so that was definitely a the okay but you know having fans as always what takes it open night know you can only have so much jurors huge. Bring your own energy. That's where we always talked about. Bring your own energy especially with no no fans on field They had good music but just way to the fans are back. There are some stadiums that have terrible music by the way there and then you go to some stadium. It's like oh this is a good. They should i hope they recognize that they got good. Got a good atmosphere here. There are some bad. Dj's there are some your phone. Yeah buddha with the draft next month. You're going to tell your gm k. Let's go get another pass rusher. Let's get another corner to help me out a bit. Are you just going to let let them do their job. Yeah maybe write a letter to do their job. no. I can't stay above my pay grade but we're them you know i'm gonna just let them do their job. I trust and all the you know. Steve and michael bidwill clip kingsbury brought it brought in a guy like j. J. watt and sky's the limit. For and i can't wait till this draft to see a young bucks we can bring in because you know even the young bucks from last year that hold aligned crew. They're going to be some killers so definitely excited. How do you think. Jj watt and chandler are going to comment each other on that line. I'll be so fun. just You know being on a team with channel for these four years and seen his opposite you know outside pass rusher. It's always someone different and to have a guy like j. While a guy who has done it at a very high level a guy who you know their bad leonard sachs if you really wanted like talk about it. Just going to be competing. It's gonna be a whole lot of fun. Jj he's he's he's alive talent. I can't wait he. He's a vocal leaders. Will and i'm just very excited for them both to be on the field together. How's the locker room culture very good in their. Jj vocal person like he comes in there. He'll be very comfortable in their is as long as you work. Obviously which i would assume. Jj what we'll do but like the culture there is is a good one. How you guys feel like you've got a like a winning culture in that locker room that's been built up over the last few years. I mean it's definitely a built up for sure. This coacher The guys on the team last year. We're all great guys guys you can talk to. I could talk to the old linemen. I could talk to this long snappers. I could talk to the pundits. Everybody had very you know cool personality. We just wanna see each other win. So i'm just excited to bring in competition and compete. You know 'cause i feel like last year We didn't really compete as good as we could. So this year is definitely folks in on competing and Just attention to detail and if you guys do that everybody will have one of your houses. Where are we right now. Is it outside. Patio now man. We're just we're just in my family. Good yeah that's all still working on getting the furniture in you know and all this stuff. It takes just cheering. Hey congratulations on the success. You earned it all. I hope the cardinals go on to win a lot of games. That'd be get to enjoy the hell out of this. We appreciate you every time you come on. Is sarah appreciate you guys. Thanks for having me and my dad this out on out. No no you were working. Hey we're all working. We're working show k. We are home. We're we're workout here. We're all working show. We're pro work and so we knew you're out there getting to. Yes sir appreciate Field out there. Are you putting the field in the backyard man. You know it's big enough for field. But you know i got a nice little yards in me. And that's did you know ladies and gentlemen buddha beggar so sorry to interrupt but i want that if you're not gambling with fan bill you're wrong tape into a sports book is available in seven states. I believe at this point. Six seven eight. 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There's more things that on their boost seemed always hit which is just fucking on themselves over time and time again We love the hell out of financial sportsbook and you will too if you haven't used it yet. Use it now officers fantasy on their daily fantasy and free to play games or you can win. Money shots vandals shout to you. Let's get back to the show last night by the way getting a new bed. Ooh yeah we're getting nice. Yeah it's coming in like a seventy four to mattress frame six eight months yes or no i mean you heard. You heard boo they are. I ordered a couch november. Still yeah right now is potentially in some trouble with the state of the world. But from what. I've been told fourth of july logistics will be able to gather in a smoker celebrate independence Aj how you doing paul. I'm doing great. It's it's tough to not have reaction every time. The camera cuts digs. What do you mean. i know. We've trying to just like you can't be comfortable. It's actually very reasonable. That's good thing is is outrageous and it did almost get to a point where we were just okay with. Just look at them and like. Oh yeah that's digs now but for we should let it be known that we understand. This is a rather large sports show in one of the people on it who is normally part of the breaking news. Part of our show is in a full fucking beekeeper for the entire show. I'm not sure he's ever taken enough. What are you planning on leaving. The at least i'll weekend until the bees die off so this is believe there's a cold front coming in okay. So this is this is like your uniform like are you gonna come back with like maybe like a badger patch like you just wanna battle or some sort of metal on your beekeeper. Suit wasn't thinking about that but you should probably now. Did you make jews. Tiktok calls a lot of people reacting to the spn knows. I feel like this is just business. I think i was. We had a chance to be at barcelona. Similar thing happened with marston. Espn espn employees. Were no longer allowed to do any barstool shows and so this has happened before we. I assumed it would happen. And i think we do. I don't know man. I feel like i did a lot for. Espn there for hilarious. Amount of cash. That they thought was okay to pay me for what i was doing for them so like i feel like we had a great relationship. I like a lot of people over there. I feel like we potentially. I'm not sure. Dana slavsky is viewed in the same manner. He was before he started coming on the or anything like that. But we kind of expected this to happen. Understand its business or whatever and would just keep chugging along and i'll text them though espn. i will text. My friends know that that's going to happen. I want i just wanna know what would happen if you facetime one of them during the show and it just happened to be on the show like you do with the phone tested out. Here we go. You think he got the memo. Well that's what we don't know the end. Just put out a nice gift and he says he misses you already. Dana's dana's deal dane or slavsky knows you're not allowed to be on your. Why'd you answer is this. Are we on air. Yes i set you up. That's all maple so cut and then immediately stopped talking when he found out out he was so that's officially the last. Espn appearance right. There was a for massive failure there. And i like him but charges game better business. He just asked me two times. He's probably not thrilled with what has happened there. Doing you just caught me. Fire not call. Come on why are you doing. I'm so sorry to answer. All right dane now to do with james and tag that was that was kinda fucked up. I guess you kind of want me do that though. No i didn't mean to do it. Aj can't get in any kind of trouble for that happen. Well maybe if he does absolutely you'll pay his ear salary next year if he does. He's not getting any zero winning. What you just did to me now. I either look like a war sport. I defied the rules. You fucked over here. basically situation. He could weasels way out of Jesus thanks but well does no. You're reading his text. Live on air to well. You're right i don't know if he knows. Are you allowed to read their words on there now. Oh yeah i'll stop. The show will stop. I apologize so how did you find out. How did you find out about this. You're not supposed to find out now. Yeah i got calls from people said. Hey you mean like people from espn. Hey we're not having anybody understood. All representatives of people pay this information. You know what i mean. Yeah okay confusing. Don't know why it's business related. I knew i do. Because you're carrying for that. Costs vary come on. Wasn't your fault so you're right. It was clearly we have video evidence. The s hey count that as a point. Aj right ten seven over l. jackson texas. What's going on. James that and adequate jack easterby man. You think bobby ain't down and talk to his son cao and said man. Now that i'm gone. We need award in around here. And they went and got attack. Easterby a outta outta the patriots be the patriots of the south. That might be at right there. And if he's coming down. God probably told them. Yeah there's chose one right there right there. Thanks for that. Call there like that theory there. Let's go to martin kansas city. What's going on over there. Mark we have brick houses. Feel good friday man. Hey not too shabby we appreciate you. But how are you doing over there at you. I'm phenomenal am making the best friday in the history of friday's let's you'd i got a question man and easy to answer tampa bay's and talking all this shit post super bowl you know we make moves. Tampa bay talks about it first saying on twitter. Are we gonna dog. Won't the nfl next year. My chiefs go seventeen in. Oh okay great question. There there is breaking news out of kansas city. Tom pella sarah. The is reporting that chiefs quarterback patrick mahomes contract like many has automatic conversion language that allows the team to convert salary or bonuses to a signing bonus at any time to create cap space. It's anticipated kansas city. Will do that in the coming days as almost every team is doing right now. This voidable years thing that is being used by every single salary cap personalities in any bit of trouble right now is genius at assume at some point. There's going to be a rule change about this in the future. But whatever your patrick mahomes and you have a ten year deal. There's a lot of maneuvering of signing bonuses in money that you can move in there for the next decade. That deal was locked in through the next cba. So i mean there is a lot of potential movement for that thing. He saving them some money. They'll continue to be able to build. Assume continue to keep players good for kansas city. Good for patrick. Mahomes who inevitably is going to get a half a billion dollars but when's going to get that money. How's it going to get that money. That's being figured out right now by the people with big old fucking brains in kansas city. This isn't going to be the last time that he has to restrict. He's not taking any money away from just moving it around and try to play with the like. I don't know the cap feels. It's unbelievable because no one's gonna come in over the cap on march seventeenth when the official of the leader happens. But everyone's gotta find a way to get there. I don't know it just doesn't feel real doesn't feel like it's a thing is fake money. Play money well especially with this voidable years thing. This voidable years thing is awesome. We talked to ian rapoport. But i guess these teams will have to pay this off eventually but if the league goes on forever. Can't you just continue to get down the road. And then inevitably some point. you're going to run into. Which is i. Guess what the saints are running into right now where they've had to cut five people in the o. From ninety million over two under because they never expected for the salary cap to drop fifteen point five million dollars from last year to this year. It's very interesting kind of watching the way people are getting under the salary. Cap in rupp board said that they'll have to be under by wednesday so he thinks these extra. Today's that jay glazer reported this as well. Things are gonna start happening here whenever they have to figure out the house. Yeah unfortunately a lotta teams are very very high now recap the or going to have to be cutting players to get under the cap. When newly year starts on wednesday. that was despicable. What do you mean that's tweeted what you just did right. They're probably our relationship with fox people. I believe that that was a great impression. Disrespect for now listen. There was a couple additives. I believe what i couple of things you slipped in there to add that thing to maybe emphasize some things that you've noticed about our friend jay glazer with the three piece suit on and it felt like you were really hammering. Those home is autumn said. He tweeted that verbatim. Say listen. I don't know if you've gone through where this book teams are going to cut players to get under the tolerant cat. Um i know shocking. And the bloodbath with them. What's so funny. aj god be with. I hope that was in the tweet. Jack eastern abject of everything part of your. Let's go to michael newport. What's going on michael. Hey what's going on. Well just fucking burn bridges one by one of what do you want to talk about. Lou holtz a cap guy. No no no no michael. I'm sorry. aj jay can't have it. He's a genius. I thought he may consult for some. He does know if you know how much we have in. Caps disgust pamper. I can tell you or depends but outside of that. I'm not really sure not by michael. I'm sorry so sorry you had to be on the call and that hasn't come off. Be thank you one of my favorite coaches all time you you to age. He can rip up a newspaper and put it back together and the bumblebee story is a real one. There's no reason to bumblebee. Should be able to fly. But it can tonight. you're gonna fly like a bumblebee. Its body is way too big for its wings. But what i'm saying is enough with what you're doing. I founded how it sounded when you told me that store the first time. I didn't tell that story to you please. I would never must have been somebody else was among lou. We're boys we. We attend to sing christmas parties together. Guy what's the newspaper store he ripped apart. Did the magic trick and by the end of it. He folded it and put it all back together because the headlines headlines or a bunch of bullshit or something like that but in his roundabout way. Yeah this was. This was head coach lou given a motivational speech which he used to do like once or twice a week on that network. That the that dr liu now this is different. I think dr lewis a different segment. He had numerous. The motivational. speech was my favorite pre-game speech lou. Those are my favorite remember that segment. I wasn't good segment. Yeah i'm sure you enjoyed it. Sure everyone eric yeah. I'm sure you enjoyed it that that probably added to this distasteful bullshit. That's going on on this friday out of that table over there and you to. Aj was unbelievable. Thank you beekeeper. Welcome mike report. What do you want to talk about. So i top. Nfl players dot here. And we're talking about actually putting it in all the nfl training camp. And i wanted to do what you thought about that and Ready to jump on board and You know be the the guru for it thoughts. What's he putting in every camp. I don't i didn't listen cage cage like an jim. Good luck getting past. Jay glazer doing that. 'cause that's his forte. Has this guy reached out to. I have actually seen a lot of nfl. Gosh training with jay glazer to chocolate del with an eye of fucking heavy hands lightning and thunder strong. Pratt jake is being said about jay glazer in here right now is bullshit off the opinions and impressions of the toxic table that had been called upon them by an ohio and not reflect that of the employer or their peers. Nothing wrong i could. I do not know how. Include dustin and canada save us canada. It's going on boys. How are we not too shabby. Just i mean might as well just mock all of sports at this point. What we're doing here jesus dust and what do you wanna talk about pal. Actually it's okay. I'm just happy to be on the show. We're pumped to have you on dustin and maybe pivot away from something that is incredibly disrespectful. What do you. What do you wanna talk about dusty. How you guys. Don't get austin nafis enough credit like. Did anybody see the goal. He's four last night. Aw filthy wasn't a hey. He scored eligible. They're austin match. Held a celebration. They're on the way after as well. I did see the toronto maple leaves put out a collab- with the beeps his hold on song. They made a highlight video. To and said. I thought the beads may be made a maple leaf song and it was not the case. It was his song he just released his with. Maple leafs highlights. Okay yeah so you should do. I guess he's big. Maple leafs fan huge. He's not a canadian sun kings. Yeah well he's got a couple teams justin farmer labor very fair. He's two tenths eastern conference to hold on what's his own on hold. We need home and then goals scored on that video. Dove beams has some incredible lyrics in that song though thought provoking being serious when i say that some thought provoking ship he's also paid sick on the ice. He's got midst. Yeah think putin are gonna play soon in next summit series score be. That's going to be one of those situations where elvis wants the president and might people talk to your people and your talk to my people about the rules here putin bibs people we'll talk to each other. I wonder who will score more. Their beat the shit outta any part of fucking putin's i don't think so dominated that all star basketball game for a long time take down vladimir putin to be the best celebrity hockey player. I think diesel do it. He'll be sniping top shed 'cause easy thing james call. We'll be there. James isn't a big hockey guy but he is in the basketball game and the hoop that he shoots at seems to be larger than the other side of the court. But you play the game as it lies. Isn't he getting ready for the james caan pro and celebrity tour. I do believe jimmy. Kong's celebrity pro am tour is happening. Because he does have a documented best score in the history of eighteen holes of golf james kong earn. The first he shot in eighteen in a round of golf over. There could be tough to beat him there. Why don't think beeps is trying to golf thing. I don't think beeps could get putin and swing. A stick beeps if you want to. If he needs to go. Take on james over there. I mean he will do that next but right now. It's hockey town states up fourteen. Aj as we head into this weekend here oh pat. I know that we have a lot of things to talk about. You know next week with the frantic free agency that is upon us. Oh massacre week because it goes until the seventeenth so it's massacre potentially lied to tampering. Yeah we we until wednesday. There's going to be a lotta shit. That's gonna pop off and we'll be here to keep up with it every single day. Can't thank enough choosing listen to this. Show the fact you guys allow us to spend time with you throughout your days nights mornings. Whatever it may be. We are incredibly grateful. Another week down here. 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Best Of (Ezekiel Elliott + Jared Goff's new deals, Matt LaFleur + Aaron Rodgers, Zeke's Week 1 expectations, Brady without Hoyer)

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Best Of (Ezekiel Elliott + Jared Goff's new deals, Matt LaFleur + Aaron Rodgers, Zeke's Week 1 expectations, Brady without Hoyer)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host jenny taft. This podcast is a condensed version of today's episode of undisputed handpicked with the best segments and discussions skip shannon. Let's go welcome to undisputed. We are our live sandra lewis. I'm here with scandal. Realize shannon sharpe good morning bomb. Just drop downs right we we did it. What do we i. I got a standing ovation back to be weak. Yes we did it. Oh by hi. I'm happy days are here again so for both here we come we. We know we have this you you gene here. Myself is a week cowboy. Kilbane jin grass able somebody owes me ten more cases that even jimi. He said there for that i accept it in. I'm not going to forty. Two cases relate to talk about this louisville. Okay okay. You look nice today. Thank you. I'll be with you. I mean yes she will so why do i remember the commercial that we did last fall so great the undisputed remember. Can we just see the first of it just the opening seconds of it. Please jump out oh there. He is on my bedside table. Is your guy there. He is. I must admit last night before i went to bed. I took my picture and i put it in the drawer because nothing when was happening and i was getting panicky. I woke up in the middle of the night. It was like midnight for us and i went over and check to see if it had happened. It's nothing had happened and i started thinking you got me. Something has gone very wrong here so suddenly this is the most pleasantly shocking shocking surprise i've had in a long time. They finally got it done and it's time for this show to start. Did you take the picture out. Yes ally tonight and we'll be back in its player. You need to give i'm richard. Go to bed tonight. We have so much to get to today's. It's the only one who got it done. Jared goff has a new all of that impact. Dan then is tom. Brady had his biggest often loss of the season but guys is there is only one place to start today and that is with zeke earlier this morning at zeke elliot and the cowboys agreed on a six year ninety million dollar extension attention with fifty million guaranteed overall zeke's contract is now eight years and one hundred and three million dollars exam. The highest paid running back in the league. Think zinc is expected to be at practice today and to play this sunday against the giants so shannon who won this deal zeke or jerry jerry was no-brainer zeke because egwu into the season having two years of security nine has fifty million guaranteed insecurity of zeke wanted to <hes> top todd hog early. He talked talked earlier. Every aspect fifty million to forty five guaranteed. He got six years ninety million fifteen million skip everything he won't and he got a contract the excess in total value over one hundred million he didn't lose now. People like a jerry jerry. Jerry jerry didn't win because zeke ed's e played this season z. three point nine million dollars. I can assure you zeke's this year. It's going to get more than three point nine million dollars based on the value of the contract <hes> so zeke one easily. He put his foot down. I believe had z. Come to camp and just went about his business. Journal's going to let this thing play out because we all know they had this year. A fifth year option in need be there to franchise tag they could abuse don't executive elliott but zeke elliott. Also oh new understood that my value is never going to be higher than it is right now. At twenty four twenty five twenty six years of age the next three years. I'm going to be my absolute peak prime and the difference is that we're gonna talk about this. A little later skip in the next segment is the difference between running backs in every other position a running back most take a big bite of the apple because because in all likelihood he will never get a bigger by of an apple quarterbacks other skill they can take nibbles because they're going to get another bite and another bite of another bike running running backs do not have that luxury zeke had to take a stand here and now and he understood his value to the teams. Everybody doesn't have this luxury. Zinc has has he. They bury unique type running back and the n._f._l. Of the copycat league and i don't know who started this skill but somebody said the running back is devalued and then somebody somebody who heard it in echoed we run back the value running back to devalue the running back to the value and the name mel kiper push that with whoever puts his caught like wildfire how five yup and blew through the n._f._l. Did but there are certain quarterback quarterback certain running backs that are very unique and zeke elliott is one of those running back and he should be compensated for uniqueness it what he brings to a team all quarterbacks value is not equal all running backs. All players are not equal even though they might the quarterback quarterback thirty two starters but then all saint louis level playing field scale the same with running back zeke they taught running back in the league and the cowboys reward award him knowing what he's done for this team and what he could possibly do over the next three skip out only looking at six hundred plus the two years he got. That's eight years over one hundred million skip. I don't get that. I go three years at a time when you look at a contract because that's when it starts getting binding when you see those cap numbers start to get up to eighteen to twenty million dollars with teams like okay okay. Do we redo it or do you just go and cut. I lost it and move forward so i'm looking at three years zeke elliot he win this deal. The truth is i am so relieved right now. I'm so happy right now that i'm really not in the mood to say somebody wants karen now with the show must go on for the last three months. I predicted zeke would sign on tuesday september the third which was the players day off ahead of the first practice to start getting ready for the giants sunday one so they practice obviously today tomorrow friday they get ready for that and when it bled into last night as i just mentioned open i got a little queasy. I was little queasy yesterday because i i wanted it to be over in. It felt a little like rocky our snow. The agent had grandstanded a little bit yesterday to try to turn up the public heat on on jerry like oh. We just came back. We're here now gives us our money right like they were a little desperate yet. That's came across when i looked at the airport little media session session that rocky gave it just felt like you said we're very very very close. Jerry jerry doesn't usually respond well to that kind of public pressure so that's why i got a little bit cold feet last night but now that it's done now smoke clears in my brain and i sit back. I'm a little surprised about the six years because that goes into perpetuity almost for a running back. It's like that's it. He is going to end his career as a dallas cowboy because plus the two he already owed them as eight years. He's twenty four thirty two. Is he going to go pass thirty two. I don't know the way he runs son's head to do it like this because it to companies to thing z. what he wants to cap space so keen ezekiel elliott almost as we speak walk into that locker room today with his head held high in his chest out you better believe affluent and i told you i thought jerry had one ace up his sleeve one creative caveat and i think it was that if you extend it for eight years he got a grand total of one hundred and three million in and they're trying to now sell it the first dallas cowboy ever to get a hundred million dollar contract although when i look back demarcus lawrence i don't know why it says five hundred and five minutes. I don't know but let's give him that rooks. Let's let him eat today. Rose i want him to be happy and he paid a pretty severe toll for for this because that was hard what he did for forty two days four hundred forty two that i gotta tell you that's a lot of lonely time in cobb. Yes that's a lot of hours watching something where you're just like. You're just getting sick and tired of not being with your football terrific yes so he paid a severe price to get what he got but careers the god's truth when the smoke finally clears. We're gonna. We're about to talk about getting signed. Amari is yet to be signed. He's due to make thirteen eighteen point nine this year but i think at some point this year he's going to get re signed when that all happens ezekiel elliot is gonna wind that being the fourth highest paid dallas cowboy just barely above zack martin just barely right but just for the record if we look back at what demarcus has lawrence just recently got it wasn't that long ago he got twenty five decide. He got sixty five million guaranteed to zeke's fifty right. He's a defensive end pass rusher and his average annual is twenty one million to what they say. Zeke is now fifteen yeah okay okay so that that hurts my eyes to look at that because of a big zeke fan. I keep arguing with you. I think he's the best running back and football now. We're back to devalued you'd position. Let's give the d. lineman our premium. I mean basically it gold gold quarterbacks but just to me. I'm a nut. I love this team and i love this team's potential but if you force my hand if you made me pick one or the other going into this year number twenty one or demarcus lawrence zeke or demarcus. I'm taking zeke all day and all night i am. He's just more valuable to the football time again. Would i want the pass rusher. I need a pass rusher and right make premium because you've got quarterback in these next in line okay but my point is demarcus. Lawrence to me is not not more valuable than zeke elliot. He now makes fifteen million more guaranteed money than zeke. Does the dasher ziegfield about that. I feel very good because aziza two years left on his contract plus to franchise tag de la with free free okay so he'd played it out right. He's now twenty seven avenue if he played that's been twenty six you know running back to the age of twenty six with the amount of wear and tear is going to happen as they go get him. Three hundred uplift cares this year again next year all right again. We're about to talk about this but i'm just going to throw a quick number out there about dak carson wentz got one hundred and eight million guaranteed jared goff just got one hundred and ten million guaranteed. I will bet you dak one hundred twelve something in that ball okay. Let's just i do hypothetical. He gets one twelve zeke got fifty. Their best buddy has one buddy. You're gonna feel about the other buddy getting more than twice as much guaranteed. We've got because you give this you understand. Yes you keep telling me that zeke is way more valuable but he put the quarterbacks the court the quarterback you look at some of these teams that have quarterbacks and the quarterbacks. How did we get that but just by position that he plays. That's what's so unfair about these contracts. They based on the position. You play not how good you are so i'm looking at like you look at baseball. You look at basketball point. Guard can make just so much lebron james who can make just as much of a center not that we really have similar convictions centers anymore but the quarterback he needs to fall into this why receiving the running back doc vig had to hold out forty two days just to see the salary boundaries for the running back. I mean you're just not fair which leads to amari cooper were still unsigned. He's going to make nice check already but let's look at recently michael. Thomas got five years ninety six point three million. That's that's an average annual of nineteen point three. That's sixty point six guarantee. Let's look at dell five years ninety. He got sixty five million in guaranteed. What do you think he's going to get get more than fifty. Asi will thing you hear the falcons. Talking about julio is coming to yeah. I'm not even deal with him yet because it hasn't fallen. He's he was more than twenty and then you've got a._j. Green i'm coon. Jerry's already told him skip. He's going to make him top five. Okay top-five you look at where these numbers are going that can be somewhere between eighteen and twenty one million dollars so amar is not going to be like okay. I'm not terribly. Are we disappointed but skew. Nobody says okay. You know what my contract's up. I'm cool with the fourth highest paid. You know how that works i want to be it helped me out. Okay then a month from now. Yes how will ezekiel elliott seal as he walks back into the cowboy locker room thinking that got more more than twice as much as me. Amari got a whole lot more than i got and de la demarcus lawrence. Scott goldberg got a lot more than i got those wait a second. Those are things he should have thought about before he started playing running back. You understand where you will be thought about that at all. You would hold a little katie said gimme the ball you so. You always get when you when you like okay one when i wanted to play in the n._f._l. I didn't really know what position i was gonna play. I was going to be happy to play anything absolutely so he understands skip quarterbacks the best gonna make the most it goes quarterback and then he goes guide. They have to go get after the quarterback. That's aaron donald khalil mack cinnabar miller's in now d. law makes what they make because because the quarterback well if the quarterbacks make aches where you gotta pay the guy that's gonna bring bring you gotta pay why big time money also zeke understands. Zeke had to hold up forty two day just to get this quarterback. Don't miss a beat yeah. Quarterback is really the only position that never have too even threaten to hold out to get their money every other position this you will have to threaten to get with khalil mexican. What could he have doing. Look at aaron. Donald aaron donald the defensive player and had to hold out glee mag with the defense player of the year old. There mike cowboy offensive line ties smith ideo mar no difference in frederick colorado. They all got money zack. Martin's earns deal is close to zeke's just under but it's a lot of money when you look into running backs look at what the what do you have to do was melvin gordon right now. It's like i'm saying the running back quarterbacks that have never even threatened now once upon a time scale but since this new c._b._a. In twenty eleven quarterbacks after don't have worry about anything. What did you call them have another year to this year and his pithier option jared goff. They redid the cowboys waiting on skill. I told oh you already predicted bombshells about to draw but i gotta tell you almost at just happened but down on wall street jerry jones stephen jones. Were there this morning to ring the bell to open the new york stock exchange and a bit jerry was bringing it. It's bigger boom new york. Y'all know y'all play ended. The giants have been there yeah so he'll just hop right back. He probably copter over to teeter borough dallas after today's today's practice. I'm gonna guess tomorrow. Okay we'll tomorrow. Maybe tomorrow but i saw jerry could get back to post a st was telling me in the room. That joe is going to have this thing tomorrow. We'll all deserve to have as stephen always calls at happy moment the koumba y'all got to have a happy moment but i believe jerry is very happy because zeke one in the little picture but i still think jerry one and the big picture. He's got him under contract for eight more years. Now he is now. He's going to retire tire dallas cowboys. I'm pretty sure goodwill. All you do is looking at these next three years. You're looking at forty nine thousand nine hundred twenty nine so we got his guaranteed fifth yes. Is it going to break break the bank no is it great for running back. Yes i will give because what are they do. Skip it keep advancing the ball saquon coming up alvin kamara. The christian christian mccaffrey is going to be up three more years. You'll say oh you got underpaid m._r._i. Yes well. He has mitigating circumstances around him off the field. No choirboy right young fat incident after incident. Some of them not publicized on the field. He will run through brick walls. Has he been healthy. Has he missed a game to game so again so i think it kind of evened out jerry finally closed his is and said okay. I'll sleep with my cellphone owner. My pillow with yours say because their history would would not just tell you it would scream at you. There will be another incident. Skew jerry knows that guy special <hes> why you'd say jesus i earned the crew to earn the right to jolt with him because although he stood side by side and say we're not going to relitigate what transpired but z like i'm about to board. He knows i guess bache okay heels years years of high risk high risk off the field if you knew that he got suspended once and i thought he should have been suspended for the las vegas incident and i still don't know skated skated on that one but thank you roger. Maybe it's a little makeup call. I don't know bela's when you were seven billion dollars. What information can't you find out about a person. They did their homework only zeke elliot. You would hope so but they knew everything. They don't just go skill. They don't really yet ask ever ever courtesy. What you think is key was he's terrible because if that ever got up the urban meyer who was the head coach said something bad antibody player. What do you think hostile four and five star guy. Gonna tell you exactly and in some ways i'm not sure urban knew everything you know like some of that's like plausible deniability deniability. Just don't tell me if people out what would he don't look like. Anybody is bringing zeke elliot what what type of guys <hes> aw man. You don't even know who you're talking to. All i say is put the tape in because tape against saint nick's defense and that was the national semifinals. Oh oh yeah who thirty thirty big twelve between b._t. And look at it and then just oregon but ran wide at the end of that you you have to you. Have you have to skip the he came red flags but as bill. There's a scout came in and asked me he was asking about me. He didn't know i was in there because i was. I was coaching the work. I worked for the coach and he came to scout came in and said well bill. Tell me tell me about this kid. Sharp meals ahead tape is on the table hill. You ain't gonna believe anything. I'll tell you anyway. Why did you watch the table. Guy skill you willing to roll the dice <hes> because you realize it from the moment you cut the tape on. He's special. He's improve the hands so you know he was a hell of a runner tremendously blitz liquor and now he can catch the ball to he the three the complete back. That's back in football. Were what now he's our. All tiger says you know what i keep my phone anyway so if somebody if somebody i don't know the recognize the number i'm gonna the answer it anyway but guess what everybody's call jerry jones from having information about zeke got pop <hes> uh so i will conclude with the first line from todd archer's account of zeke signing. This is on e._s._p._n. Dot com. He's been covering the cowboys for years and years you unknown. I didn't never cover the cowboys. I just wrote about wrote about you living downtown. I did archery rights now that running back azizul elliott has his contract extension. There is one thing left for the dallas cowboys. Do dash win the super bowl. I concur car here. We go skip but before that happens. We'll talk about it. The better sign that before they win the skiff. If you shall we we gotta gotta. Give back to it shannon. It's your only hope hope before. We have another impasse does not like that. Thank goodness that version of us definitely like that so the frame pick. It's here to stay. It can be honestly again. We're good to go for the next eight years. It's going to be on my bedside table and you'll be the first thing i see when i wake up all right. That's nice. We got paid as well. So how will that impact dak. 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Dot pacific life dot com before zeke this morning. It was jared goff last night. Who got paid. The rams. Quarterback got a four year extension worth one hundred thirty four million dollars an n._f._l. Record one hundred in ten million guaranteed debt prescott is reportedly seeking over thirty million million a year for his new deal after his current contract expires at the end of this season so shannon how will new deal impact prescott negotiations skewed. Excuse price of a quarterback today is not what it was yesterday right and the price keeps going up and looking around. Here's another member from his class that just just gotta deal now that can tie france going to walk in jerry jones office and you know i always have them. Lebron loja life queued up they just go put it that way the tape here and they will see scale begging on the death. He has he better than jerry golf. He wanted to vision twice. He has a high q._b._r. Gotta yada yada yada yada you did your job will pick up the phone and call us as skip. I need you to shut up. How do you stop talking because you killing my case my fault you kill them. That's it. I don't know jerry waiting on skip. The price is not coming down for quarterbacks is like real estate in malibu ocean is there and they're not growing any more property operative. The land is what it is if you wanna live there. You're gonna have to pay for it if you want. A quarterback you're going to have to pay for is as simple as that jerry so. I don't know what you thought you were going to get because cousins set the standard skip when he got three years pulling guarantee today to four million dollars. Everybody like way better than first cousins. I'm not taking left. Eighty million dollars guaranteed aaron rodgers get eighty million just assigning name on the line yep <hes> walk into got sixty six and a half russell wilson got seventy avenue dak prescott like jerry. You can make the numbers whatever you want to be. The starting point is about somewhere between sixty five and seventy million dollars ultimate walk into your office and scientists now. He got a hundred and ten dax like i'm elise work that after starting talk todd france dax represented visited him like that's the starting point right is one hundred and ten million dollars guaranteed and the difference in skip maintenance up. It's like jerry is more over a balance this situation then it was the week ended up getting exactly what he wanted which was more than girl average signing bonus and total contract right. That's going to be a free agent and you what you try to avoid skip. Is that big twenty eight twenty nine million dollar that goals also catt value. You don't really want that until like the fourth of the fifth year then you can do with it. You don't want back in twenty eight million dollars cartel value that eats up too much. You're gonna have to start losing players. Jerry is going to have to make going to have to go ahead and bite the bullet on this one skip and i believe that jerry is not really totally fully sold gung gung ho body and both feet philadelphia jumped on on wentz walk itunes bandwagon with both the ramp did the same thing with golf game. I don't know whether walk waffling but they just have put me braces on and just go ahead and jump because they might spraying. They kneel something but that prices keep going up and up is like gas on the weekend. You pay more for gas on the weekend that you do to win. Though you gotta go ahead and get it jerry said jerry should bite the bullet but according to you he should could actually take the bullet because you don't think this guy is very good. You think this guy's average it best dak prescott right we run the risk of doing with the ravens deal with joe flacco because everybody thought joe flacco was averaging what happened skip. He went to a won. The super bowl any became for the next three years. The highest paid quarterback in the n._f._l. He also has the greatest anomaly in history quarterbacks because his regular season is way below average his playoff numbers if you just look at them in a vacuum tom ten and five feet straordinaria yes. They're all time great that run hard talk that run that he had. What's your favorite line nine from teddy k._g._b. And rounders what is it paid. That man is okay. That's what i'm saying. I'm saying that it dairy now again. Jerry has been thinking about this for months. He has been negotiating with dax team team for months. I think the parameters are already out in the middle of the table now. It's time to just get it done. He needed to make sure here's what i think happened but i have no problem with this. That zeke's people went in. Probably rocky are snows the point man asking for quarterback money and you can make a case. He deserve quarterback money in the grand scheme of things he probably did. He finally settled for top running back danny and so jerry can breathe a little little easier because i think he had already budgeted in that zeke is going to get top running back money which now opens the budget to the next phase which is the quarterback quarterback and i believe you have to give him a one hundred twelve million dollars guarantee. Yeah and i think you have to give him thirty. Golf is thirty three thirty four thirty. Four year sounds like a lot. Do i think he's better than jared goff. You better believe i've seen it twice. He's played him twice and he's outplayed him dramatically bowl time to my eye test and q._b._r. Test in both games do i think he's better than your guy. Causing wince limpid always seems to get hurt. Do i think he's better yes i do and i respect carson wentz i do. He's a fine when young player this guy's just better better leader and he's a better playmaker than carson wentz and he did beat carson wentz head twice level. All the quarterbacks got listen just go. They've gotten money this off season i do. I do kirk cousins. Throw him in. Do i think my is better kirk. He's four no against kirk cousins. I miss kirk cousins in washington. She didn't need him back in washington. I fear case keenum more than kirk cousins right. I do know but i do really because listen case. Hi schemes just a little battler like you'll. You'll just fight you. They might have you talk. France may have had the parameters of the contract in front of jerry but but guess what i'll walk you back then i got. I got it so we right right. Although when i do look down this list list of quarterback annual earnings i do come way way down here to the middle of the pack skype in foxborough aca. What's that guys do me. What's that guy's got canoeing me. He makes twenty three so now jared goff makes thirty three brady makes twenty <hes> domino's debt well that life trust trust me. Jerry jones bringing up. Tom brady as we speak to. Whoever it is talk with somebody might be bringing it up straight didac the w. Are tom brady and you will be the next fifteen years and now he's looking at. Tom brady won the super bowl in the second year starting actually i i started his second year in the league my own. Tom brady and i'm talking about what you right. Now okay so there is one huge the difference between dakyns your coffin daqing carson wentz and that is those other two franchises rams eagles they they bet the ranch they've been there pride. They get their jobs on. Those two quarterbacks high in the draft in the eagles traded up some spots to get carson wentz jared goff goes hot h- hold on. I'm saying they just said hey. We're taking back a guy. You put a lot in that. You put your reputations on the line and ultimately your job status be on the line with ownership. Did you swing and miss so obviously when they have their first opening to validate their picks they just leap through the the opening and say yeah. We're going to give him record. Money record guaranteed because we believe in them because we believe in us. Do you believe in that okay but but the jerry believe in doc when they were drafting we was remember there were stories that he wanted two or three other corrupt acts before they got to the fourth one paxton lynch right and what's the point of manziel cook. What's his name. Oh yes yeah. I mean happening yeah but that's okay skip does jared goff went number. One carson wentz was traded up or went number two okay. They got their guy. Jerry did not realize what he had with with a debt even though we selected him in the fourth round if you identify your guy now you believe that he's your guy. What are you waiting for nothing so i said how about tomorrow how about friday friday how about another big media bombshell of momentum into sunday because if you get zeke and dak done a how to game one. You don't think that lochbroom puts. It doesn't put pep in. There's like nuclear nuclear pay load because there's something that comes along with a hundred million dollars is one hundred six million dollar man. Remember that bodyman six million dollar man but something about whether you hear when you hear a hundred droop million dollars related to me is something about that number. I don't know what to do but when you hear a hundred million okay expectation just go. They got one hundred a million expectations. You don't think teams had expectation no last not headingley year no skip did they finally won the division two or three years. I think they're pretty comfortable with speculation. Deal bela's look here. The thing is that the cowboys are the cowboys they haven't won jack in a quarter century two divisions and division i do it's baby steps. Maybe baby baby a long time. You need to grow up rolling roll. You're talking about you baby. Yeah we're about to be thrown own men. This drivers that dry my baby pressure on a instagram post road watch in weep okay scotty you. Everything is lined up perfectly. You get everything that you wome. Anything less been jerry jones receiving the trophy raum <hes> <hes> roger the dale is going to be unacceptable and it's gonna hurt me or to the word to you. I've already yeah wanted to. I didn't pretty him to win. I predicted they would play for the novi is going to be unacceptable to jerry jerry jones. I just put three hundred four hundred million dollars in escrow. Oh i got the vouch with these contract. You realize this isn't a one and done situation. We're going to give them a window now. Three or four years ears and they're gonna win win two or three super bowl. They gotta would skip. I got one of them. How's life bars on the inside to not to keep people out of the key people out of the keep me the and you in both all jerry knows watch what happened the last ten games last year and i keep telling telling you that was not a small sample size you give him a bona fide number one receiver and all of a sudden takes off and he has top five stats. It's for the rest of the year into the playoffs. He leads the playoffs in q._b._r. I don't know what i'm not waiting. You're waiting to bless this because you don't think he's very good. What what what what are you waiting for. I'm asking you the question you. If you're the owner you'd be waiting like crazy without without j. Jerry jared of both feet or big time he he the franchise owner right now. What would you do. There's no way you'd give him one hundred million dollars two hundred stop unrealistic but you but you put me in that situation because i have the mindset because i've been over here now. Maybe jerry looking at it differently skewed when you went on and you don't really be looking at things and you. You think you'll play jared thanks. He has the best player at every position on his team gene. He thinks he has the best left tackle guard thinner right and for the most part there are a lot of position. He does have the best player. Maybe maybe he does not think he has. The best. Safety in football does not cause. They're not all that safe. Oh you love jeff levine oh you deal with. He picked era rogers twice three years ago. Keep definitely aflac. Keep telling you when you talk about. He played raj. He was a backup. He just happened to be in like a nickel safety. Come on he's an overachiever. He works hard place. All i'm saying here's your price that you thought you can get dad if thirty million dollars now i am totally good with that and i believe jerry. Jones has budgeted for for that just the way he's budgeted for amari now. Has he budgeted for byron. Jones and bob dole's question skill. You ain't nobody brought auto byron jones me. He already knows he outed after this year. He knows that right now. He's not even listed as a starter at corner on the depth chart which i don't understand. I i think years with the y._m._c._a. I don't know got anthony brown. Who's also coming up for a contract he he probably had to go only play guy. You're probably right right okay well. I was this thing called the draft and we just keep hitting in the draft. Somehow he keeps reminding us. That secretly always say jerry's good at this he he he he loves this bowl. He's on thin. It seems like the only thing they need winning drafting good players and signing him. He ain't winning the toll free take. They don't they don't they don't you don't get credit for that skit or we had the best draft since two thousand ten. The cowboys had the best draft in the n._f._l. And they've won exactly what no dissipation you know what next time if they wind up playing at the coliseum against the rams and the playoffs maybe one hundred million dollar running back better rise and shine for once because he got disappeared secret weapon yeah. Oh no joe you have our way away. I'm never gonna hey guys. This is jenny taft and i have a quick message for you about neum. Some people people think that all diet and weight loss plans are the same but that's because they haven't tried num. 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Thing afler admitted that a system did not typically give quarterbacks much freedom at the line of scrimmage and earlier this week clerks and rodgers has the green light to change plays whenever he wants but now the floors answering more questions on the topic then he'd like take a listen the combine you mentioned that part of you guys. This will not stuff with this automated thing. It's unbelievable. What what do you guys want me to say. It's comical to me but <hes> like. I said i feel good with what what we've got in our plan all right greg. How about that. Do you think that this audible thing is comical comical. No this is real. This is the reality before was walking into like you. I don't care what offensive system you were. Bringing in. It was going to be changeable. It was gonna be audible friendly because of bad guy because of aaron rodgers when you look at the situation that he just get out of the partnership the marriage if you will with coach mccarthy it wasn't an honorable friendly offensive system so when you look at that he didn't have the leverage wjr or the leeway to just go out and do what he pleased might mccarthy wanted to have control because he dealt with a guy like brett farr and you don't he didn't wanna give aaron that type of liberty and freedom in so when you walk into a situation and matt leflore and i have an erogenous yes. I'm going to have to a <hes> been in let him do what he does because this is what will allow us to be the best on the football field allowing aaron rodgers to run on our offense regardless or despite how i think my office should be run at the end of the day it will work out not only for aaron rodgers but it will benefit even matt atla floor because it will alleviate some of the pressure. He has as a head coach. Anna play caller so yes. This is not comical. This was the reality and i believe he knew walking in and by the way point of order reportedly aaron changed experts at like half the yes last year yes so so it's something that he does and let me add this when you walk in rightfully so he does it because when you walk up to the offensive line of scrimmage and you see the defense and you have a play that just been called in your quarterback like aaron rodgers or peyton manning were drew brees. Tom and you see that it is not the best play for our team right now. You should be given that living apps to change those class often. Did erin audible in your years with them. I'm reading audible a ton. He audible quite a bit but we all he always had a secondary play and that's what mike started kind of veering into allowing him to have a secondary players that get us into or what what we would call shake with me a check with me a check with me okay and you give quarterbacks that that kind of leeway you you ever have an option route just for you where you could choose whether you go inside or outside and errands go with you. Absolutely absolutely it was something that had to be practice. He's from based on the look of the defense the leverage of the defender so he knew it really wasn't an option any longer like if he was also i leverage he knew i was going to hook it up different things like that okay. It's not comical. You made this an issue when you go and you're the head coach of a team. That has a quarterback this one onto m._v._p.'s. He's won a super bowl m._v._p. And you say this. We gotta work through this audible thing. That's going to be a big deal. You brought this yourself yes you. You should just kept your mouth close. If like you know whatever whatever by offense is aaron and i will work through it because aaron income doesn't say as well. I don't think you want me to turn eleven years off now. This office originated from mike and cale shanahan because sean mcvay started under them. Now i don't know where they would off shoot of where they came but that office with audible friendly because john would audible if we had checked with me because i won't buy quarterback because his job is to get me from a bad play to a good plate a good plate relate to a great play and if you send the plan and john looks at that defense like this is not a good place for that defense he all yes. His job is to put us in the best situation at least sixty times a game for how many officer plays they'll skip is a simple as that <hes> look. I have the utmost confidence in my coaches calling the plays but you're not out there when the coach would ask ms shannon why'd you run about like that because when you drew it up on the board that eggs or old didn't move and when you and when they set that up sculpting exactly what's comical to me is that matt lauer fluor even before he's coached or head coach his first ever n._f._l. Game name just cracked. The media got who interesting. How how could you let the media get to you when this has been the issue you facing the football team because in his early remarks right after he got the job about audibles. Maybe a little naively he said in this offense. We don't have audibles. We don't <unk> have many many audibles. He said we do have some what he calls can plays you can go to this or go to that but in general he likes the play run that he calls. Maybe maybe there's some slight variations of these say depending on what you see across the ball but but again he wants to be in charge coach. He is only four years older than aaron rodgers and i would. I don't know this for a fact but i will bet you. Aaron thinks that aaron knows more football than matla full. Louis knows about football just just i._q. Football i._q. Air knows a lot about footpath lulu and obviously aaron has far more ability as a quarterback ben matlock floor ever dreamed of having so. There's not huge respect. It's not like john. Elway's your coach and you're saying well okay. He does us get this. He really knows what it feels right. Yes okay so to me. Errands gotta be chuckling over this because he's saying this guy's already cracking cracking under the media rushing. You can't do that gives you. A certain place that you come up like there was a big we call it. A bear defense buddy ryan made famous skip. You don't want to be running certain plays. We would come up to that defense. We see that defense we already we already knew skilled blue without shake blue detroit. They're they're all coming and you don't want to be and so. Why would you run the play. That was call into that defense. When you go get your quarterback hitting the back of his head or you get the running back smash as soon as the bala all up. Why would you not let your quarterback all of a lot of it and that is where i feel like quarterbacks aaron rodgers and these top tier quarterback. You have to give them this liberty because in in in matt laforest defense he may have a play design that can beat and be effective against any coverage but if it's not the first and second option where the quarterback and get rid of that ball right away or the running back. We'll have a greater chance of breaking a run then. I'm going to give them an option of a play that gives dinsdale that ability that my first second option is going to be there right away. I don't want to hold onto the ball. That's not what aaron rodgers doing. He's not trying to hold onto the ball. I wanna be effective right away way. Come pre-snap when i see defense setup. I know what i got and if i don't have it with this play. I'm going to get to a place that gives it to him and the thing is when we were on the road well we did have a whole lot of audibles because crowd coming into the play. You don't wanna be up there joshua. What did he change the audibly. What are they doing if you go into normal because talk. You can't some of these stadiums. You couldn't here in kansas city yeah so we will go. Whatever we call. We were going with it but if we did audible we will autumn linked to the play yeah. It wasn't doesn't know either or we knew what the play real often because we have practiced it all week and that's what makes it okay look at john checks out. We're going to this place so there's no second guess but sometimes thereby display or play or another play but for the most part guys like peyton manning. He always ran a check with me pack. That's why he became who he was get through. He nick payton who would've never been who he was had he not had that ability and so those guys you give them the leeway in even skip even if he checks out of a play and it goal goal for not use it okay i trust him you do. I believe the play that we had all would have gone for less leaving less than that. You trust guys like aaron rodgers. I just and you don't handicap them because what makes them unique in their ability to get you out of harm's way with what they see allosaurus pretty full of himself already. I i think thinks he's the guru of this offshoots. All you had to do like a good lawyer asked and answered so now there are three n._f._l. Story lines. I cannot watch detonate nate because we got odell versus freddie kitchens. We got abie jon gruden and now we got aaron rodgers versus matt leflore. Those are three the hair trigger like it's just about this. Why pan is the lightest of all of them. Yeah think so i do but we get. I asked friday with this play tomorrow tonight. Because you're dealing with someone who was in control of your offense. You're dealing with the quarterbacks dealing with the quarter now they depend over at a gate predicate. Okay gotta work cut out for it. It doesn't go well for the packers. Let's say tomorrow night then. I think things will start to show we bill blood. Khalil back got a blog award and khalil mack was into it any better get used to the media attention. I greg good stuff always thanks thanks for being here now that the deal is done which we expect on the field zeke this sunday. It's time to celebrate. Football is finally back and draftkings the leader in one day. 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Deposit required deposit bonus requires a twenty five times playthrough eligibility restrictions apply see draft kings dot com for details. Now we know this week. We'll be hungry to get back in the act. After ending his holdout earlier this morning zeke in the cowboys agreed on a six year ninety ninety million dollar extension with fifty million guaranteed overall contract is now eight years and one hundred and three million which makes him the highest paid running back in the league zeke is expected to be at practice today and get twenty to twenty five reps against the giants on sunday twenty five there you go. We're going to see in the guy. Actually what do you expect for zeke on sunday. I don't expect vantage. Zeke's give for the simple fact he's not gonna get normal workload. Normally he'd run he'd he'd be in on eighty ninety percents of the snaps. You know twenty twenty five plays when you're looking at sixty sixty. Five plays on average is about sixty five plays a game so he's not gonna be see that and i'm glad the cowboys are taking this approach skip and i've told people this all the time i said look the only way and i ran. I ran myself into oblivion but skip you get in shape for particular sport but doing that sport. I agree as a basketball player you you the shape of basketball but playing basketball for football you get in shape by playing football by carrying the football having shoulder pads and helmets on doing that. That's how you get in football shape now. I have no doubt that zeke has been running that he's been eating eating properly and he's good condition but he's not he's not in football condition. They're two different things in the thing that you worry about skipping. When you put a heavy workload on a guy <hes> that's not in the football conditioning that he needs to be you have to worry about calf-strain hamstring rowing quad being the bad nature and so i'm glad they're they're gonna gla- gradually bring him back. Twenty twenty-five plays maybe thirty five forty wait a second if he if he cares twenty five times undergrad plays they're they don't we'll give it to him every time either in the game he a lot of there's gonna be some play fakes the no no no no. He's not get twenty twenty ks you asking look. That's why you got. You're tony pollard zack martin. He's a damn good back. Jerry like tony and i can see a scenario with them. Both in the back at the same time jerry said so and i i think we will see that i just think the thing is you know. Twenty twenty five plays you give them a couple of runs. You throw it to him a couple of time. Have you run a couple of fakes off because they're gonna be biting because they know they're going to try to. You know maybe established zeke early but i like this approach. Give but you're not going to see a virtuoso zeke week but that's coming down the road. It won't take him loan and you get you get a gay he gets to gave the point is built ford gay. Somebody's going to be going to have to deal with this young man now to me. They don't call him. Zeke the freak for nothing. I'm not going to be surprised if he gets twenty to twenty five carries in this game. I think it could be ride. Em cowboy in it depends on what they see today tomorrow friday and it depends how the game goes early in how he looks and how he reacts to his first few carry is huffing and puffing or does he seem to just for fit huffing skill because first of all he's anxious to be back. The drill is going to be pumping and he hadn't been in that type of environment. You're drilling's going to be going. He has helmet showed a path in an actual game situation so is different than practice. Give practices one thing and they're like all year. We had a great day of practice pregnant women but i did love what greg jennings pointed out you wanna talk about fresh you wanna talk about protected through training camp because to me even running running backs legs take some pounding and training camp because you go pretty full speed and some of those drill you have to do nine on seventy goal and you have to do that with a along short yardage. Yeah you bang up you know you you. You hit it on so to me. He'll be one hundred percent fresh and it's not like he's a rookie. He's he's done this for almost three years and vince fourth the fourth year i just have a feeling they're going to see how it goes and let him go as far as he can go but as todd archer who covers the cowboys also wrote today. He said they have come to adore. That's the you were to use a door tony pollard they adore him and that means jerry down to kellen moore obviously jason garrett so do i think he will get his share of the carries i do could he get his ten or so carries. I do see that will be tony pollard catch five balls. He just mine. I don't know how many zeke will catch listen. Zeke's going to want to to rise and shine against that guy on the other side line saquon will be there when i say you have to guard against muscle injury because the things that causes muscles to go is fatigue or you have an imbalance. I don't believe zeke is out of balance or anything. Because the end been taking pounding book fatigue muscles will we'll give on you and you don't want skip. Can you imagine you got hold up forty today. You give him the biggest contract for run back in n._f._l. History and the first gay man and he got he got a hamstring qua- and he's down for knocking on the way thank you for all this is why you put him on a pitch count. <hes> ah i know it's hard because the tennessee that you have. Is this what they did with lebron. There's like we played lebron thirty to thirty two minutes. That's all well and good if you lose him being or you winning big but what happens if you get you can fourth quarter and your doubt or you're up by roy now. All of a sudden at thirty two minutes go to thirty six thirty eight okay. You say you're gonna play the t twenty twenty five plays. You need to hold to that even if it's late in the ball game because you don't want to lose him. Don't even worry one game. It one game isn't that i understand that this is different but ballgames away to different than baseball basketball because it's one five basketball and football and won the ten football or baseball. Okay okay. We get that but if you mess around him make. This young man tweaked something because he has not he's not in football. I don't care what anybody tells you. He heaving shape too like you run. Do a conditioning tests. There's no question in my mind zinc would pass it but all of a sudden you get that adrenaline pumping you put a ball all of his arm and shoulder pads and helmets if the different ball game and you need to be careful with it does he have a history of tweaking some guys. Just some guys are always nick. Remember remember the preseason his rookie year string okay but did he play game one two three four five six seven question that was in the preseason fever. You tweaked his game. I gave a regular season see then. They sat him down in the preceding okay no because remember game three at seattle. No no i'm saying when he tweaked his hamstring string in a precinct. She didn't play preseason game three. That's the game where he just caught my eye because he's up there in seattle like head-hunter skip. Don't don't do it. I know you wanna see. I know you wanted to visit for the record. Emmett smith missed the first two games nine hundred ninety three and when he came back in game number three they'd lost the first two obviously sleep he carried it eight times for forty five yards and caught one ball for three alright in the immortal derek last week i like classic but but again he couldn't really fill the bill bill in the first two games but but he carried fourteen more times than game three for sixty yards and scored a couple of touchdowns and then slowly but surely emit goes seventy one yards one hundred and four ninety two and then to thirty seven at philly and he was off to the race right and he won the russian title in fourteen games instead of what you saw the bill they built a little bit but the guy the guy's easy for he held out and came back and cared about thirty one time for like forty but gaza dip skip skip got. We hit back then. I think a lot of i don't know we need. They need to do some data but i think some of these injuries skipped. Is that goes from one hundred yeah you don't do anything and then all of a sudden you get in the game and then you do everything something's gotta give maybe but in this case gave me wanting undergraduate bielski saquon. I just think he'll say give me. You know what you got so you'll be worried about zinc z. We'll let you have about t._m. Clear we guys. We got old old that we pay them a hundred and fifty meal. We good you might have to sit down one out. We let that take this thing over. The one he keeps telling me. Zeke is way more valuable than back. Maybe they got. They gotta do this right. We want to do that thirty. Tabah game would not thirty but i could see twenty to twenty five carries i could would the mayor has been away forty two days. There's one big difference between emmett smith and ezekiel elliott zeke is much more of a workout warrior than liam it ever was in it will not like me saying that but that's the truth zeke. I think does work hard in the weight room. How much how hard can you work in kabul. I don't know but i bet at you. He's in decent beach workout but they don't pay shape but again. You've gotta have you gotta. Football your hands skill. I remember i had done in preseason. I played in the preseason game. We practiced by one hundred and puffing in game one because you go to minute you go right before the have nothing third-down tip. Marshall faulk went down there and tried to put him through some sort of game conditions. I don't know what it was. Maybe maybe footage of this like probably like three passing game and i you know i have to come out my what's wrong. You're not in shape as you. Don't tell me three passes the practice practice what may were gassed. You asked out skill all of famer out of a game though i asked for a blow what did they if you get tired. Raise your hand keke. I raised my hand and then you talk about what's going on. You tied raised by start doing it. On this show automate. I go to bed early out ginny. Take a little bit. I go to bed at nine o'clock. Yeah okay rest. It really now the clock every night. Take me out to talk. Oh go to bed about six forty five put him in his room and then we'd lights out familiar talk. The del taco taught. You'd renamed tom. No i don't know tacos we can talk about. I always imagine what i do after scoring during the game winning touchdown and it always ends with me jumping into a big comfy bed getting the sleep i deserve and while i'm no pro athletes going points. I can still score big savings during mattress firm's labor day sale now extended through tuesday. Get a king bed for queen price or a queen for a twin price and save up to six hundred dollars plus. You can take home a free adjustable base when you spend four hundred ninety nine dollars but hurry offer ends tuesday only mattress firm. Brian hoyer may have been cut by the patriots over the weekend but the veteran quarterback left a lasting impression on well. Tom brady during during his weekly radio interview yesterday. Brady said that hoyer was the person who would routinely pick him up when he was down. Take a listen provided a lot and and he is a great quarterback for team and he won an all season award. He just brought a great positive energy to the team and always optimistic and you know. I think there's times for me. I get frustrated or i get down or disappointed in things that happen and he would try to bring me back to center pretty quickly so i love the relationship shihab attend those certainly continue on in its own personal way. We just wanna be working together. <hes> shannon you there you you got any sympathy really skew really no hell. No you have hell no simply no skip bayless. You know this how this business work talk has been in the n._f._l. For twenty years i can assure you brian he's not the first friend has gotten cut. This happens in n._f._l. Foot dipoto feels brian hoyer has been this is seventeen and somehow he snagging nine million dollar contract guaranteed and i'm supposed to feel sorry for what for who for tom brady. He's not a patriots anymore doesn't matter where he's flying. It's he's not a patriot. Skill baylor's not about brian brian oil. It's about tom brady. Tom brady goals over the door guessing rose and gives them a kiss zeal. That's his that's his support emotional support when he opens the locker room door. Who runs tuning gives you know what are you mad about. Call ballot check don't over the locker room now. You're finally coming around onto getting what's happening but you realize tom brady finally said something publicly straight from his heart. There was no lame cliche shade. There was no gee whiz aw shucks. He spoke straight from the heart about basically remember the context. He is being forced to play play for a heartless coach who wanted to get rid of him. I write about that okay so he had one guy on his side a veteran quarterback who started a bunch aren't you games in this league so who gets it knows who came up to the new england system and that guy was his rock that when it got really rough with belichick he could lean a little bit on brian hoyer and what just happened. Bella check just cut brian hoyer and he kept oh. Wait a second the rookie quarterback. He's clearly fast-tracking to replace tom. Brady so now brady's rock the only guy he can talk to in the quarterback room other than josh mcdaniels obviously is the guy bell check was to replace brady with you like that. I love it okay so once just once he just spoke from the hardy said i'm going to miss. This guy has an obligation to do what he thinks in the best interest of the team and not the best interest of tom rated something in the best interest of belgium because in the best interest the team you keep brian oh jerry jerry right here okay. He's better kids. He's not better than flying. You gotta win two games in the middle of the year. He's got a better shot. Will i and brian who who engage if he he wouldn't wouldn't be seventeen nice. I have called him the most valuable backup in the league. I think innovation by as long as you keep him. Is that okay. The problem is that when you become a star okay okay well. I got you but he can win games in just a couple of games under five other than being a backup. It's hard position to be in so he has had success. Being you know because everybody thinks you can do better than you. Can you put a we were hoyer who starts to play boo. Get him out of there. He the bomb <hes> you oughta. Stop skip bayless now. Tom brady got to go it alone. Well right scale. I don't know what you think but i think this slams the door on that case which colin kapernick ain't playing no more oh well okay. I'll give you a long time ago and it just be like animation. They just keep slamming doors and it'll make boom just keep playing is over but brian look skill. I could see if he got released. No-one picked him ma'am but my boy brian ain't got no. He's he's not saying for brian. He's saying for tom. Tom talking about tom. What happens is that when this when the situation because or you came back when they ship jimmy g. to san francisco and i believe he came back and that's when he came about because they had a relationship before he actually left and went about his way. It was bouncing things off tough coach bela check. I know what's going on with that was not true yeah. He could go to invent 'bout about bell check right because this is not a pretty sight what he has to do with bella. Take is doing what's best for the team. I appreciate him doing that. What's best for belgium eligible. All he wants to do is win a super bowl without tom brady and he is positioning that to happen. After this year coaches do this all the time you do. They all have been time to the greatest quarterback in the history of all county. My grandfather was in the military and i know a little bit about the military not but there's a reason why they don't have higher ups dealing with subordinates having a personal relationship because it caused judgment on the cloud judgment demint coach belichick dad was in the navy right. Didn't he coached at the naval academy or something yeah so he understands that coach checks going to have to make a tough decision at some point one time you see god put his david for doing what's getting the clouded his judgement with bath sheba okay because what did he do. He said veggie zebra. Her run knew what was going on the folding. He did coach bela. Check understands. I cannot have this type of personal relationship because at some point in time ed be it sooner or later. I'm going to have to make a decision and i don't want my judgment to be clouded so that's why he's he's been halved. We've been polls every player that's come through the organization except for this player who is more valuable than that coach not knowing that it's not like i'd i take that he he he he he he lo he does nancy. Thanks for listening to the undisputed podcast. I'm johnny tapped. Join us again at the same time tomorrow morning nine thirty eastern. We'll see you then of.

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#281 Python in Car Racing

"I love to bring these stories of python being used in amazing places outside the traditional Tech Silos of pure web development and data science. On this episode, you'll meet Robert Kane replicable who works on simulation and test software at Richard childress racing the NASCAR team that just finished number one and two at the Texas Motor speedway. You'll hear how python is allowing them to model car behavior airflow and much more faster than others using outdated tools. This by me episode two, hundred, Eighty, one recorded July twenty second two, thousand, twenty. Wait wait wait wait normally I'd play a little guitar riff right here to kick off the episode but this episode is about racing and race cars. So let's kick it off with a different kind of instrument and note let's jump into a two thousand seventeen indy pro Mazda furlough around the story Brands Hatch Circuit and let the engine notes be the music Hello. Welcome to talk by a weekly podcast on python the language, the libraries, the ecosystem in the personalities. This is your host Michael Kennedy. Follow me on twitter where I'm at in Kennedy, keep up with the show and listen to past episodes at times on FM and follow the show on twitter via at talked on this episode is brought to you by sooner qb inland owed police check out what they're offering during their segments. This is the really fun episode you're going to enjoy CAIN story, and if you're interested, you can find the full five minute video that drive around brands hatch at talk by phone dot FM slash, Hatch gain welcome to buy me. Thanks. Glad to be here. It's awesome to have you here. I get to bring to the things that I'm really passionate about together racing and python right and you got some really cool stories. To tell a catella already. So looking forward to having you on the show thanks for having me I'm excited about it. Yeah. It's going to be a lot of fun and I guess as usual much started the beginning. How'd you get into program in Python? Well, pretty long story but I started off with do you remember the basic game guerrillas? It was like windows three point one and you through the bananas that blew up. At yet that's where I started a friend of mine showed me how to get in there and hack the explosion side. So I could never lose my brother. So that was That was the intro at least got me started on looking at logic and reading code, and then my next project was actually programming my HP calculator. Those you know I. I gotTa admit I was always a TI sorta person. Yeah. When I didn't have the HP when you're not one of those Big Wide Screen, T. I ninety three's that had according keyboard in it. It was crazy. Oh Yeah. But yeah, I remember. Now this one goes back to the reverse Polish notation and everything else that everybody hated but you are shamed if you had a TI in mechanical engineering so everybody had HP's But. Yeah. So I did a couple of scripts with that stuff just mostly playing around at Auburn. We studied Fortran seventy seven. This was back in ninety six. You were in engineering. Yes. In Mechanical Engineering Studied Mechanical Engineering at Auburn was in chemical engineering for a year and I wanted to Take C. Plus plus and they told me no, no no you have to take four Tran. It's going to be the most important language you ever learn. Yeah. Yeah, and the older generation of mechanical engineers are still die hard fortran interesting. One of the teams I worked with a few years ago there simulation was actually written mostly in Fortran and I mean you can't argue with the processing speed of numerical calculations, which is all the same really is so yeah, it's smoked by the time. I was like a sophomore year. I had moved onto Matlab and most people were using Matlab for the course work and projects and things like that. So yeah, I was a big fan of Matlab for a long time and then. All my graduate work I did my masters purdue with the focus on vehicle dynamics and master's work was done in. Matlab. So got a pretty good amount of experience in that. I really liked scripting languages I've done some objective c stuff and felt out of place with compiled code and not being able to really dig into it after use Matlab for so long. So I just opened up those API's and have a look at them right thereby, right? Right yeah and so a lot of the problems that we. Work on in this industry, you have to explore the data a ton before you know what you're going to do with the project. So the scripting is good for me my co workers did the C. Sharp and C. Plus plus guys shame me and tell me I'm not a real programmer you know. So but it's all in good fun and I continued use Matlab as I started my career Ford Motor. Company. Had pretty much all their stuff in Matlab at the time when I left Ford and went to Hendrick. motorsports to race engineer for the Twenty Four Car with Jeff Gordon. I was sadly sadly depressed to not be given a license for Matlab. So I mean they were doing everything in excel and they're the ones who sim runs in Fortran. Bright. So it was the simulation they used excel as Gooey, and then had this back end of Fortran piped in to run it. So it was pretty interesting because having the power of excel where I can just click your do some calculations was pretty useful man excels. Really, powerful like that. Right except is hard to follow the logic of it. If you've got this formula leads to that, which is back over there. Then there's a conditional which jumps year. Oh, attempt possible. It's impossible. I. Cringe. When somebody sends me a big excel sheet with all kinds of formulas all over the place the logic of the structure of it is what makes sense and I am not a fan of va so I don't like getting in the back end of that either be a moving into the. Racing stuff will spend a million dollars to try to make five horsepower, but we can't spend two thousand dollars Matlab license to solve analytical problems. Yeah. I think that's I mean that's the racing hake on that story but you hear see that story all over the place like companies spending millions of dollars or there's a millions of dollars of efficiencies to be gained but like no, no no, you're going to use this crappy old. Computer that doesn't work that well, all lockdown or you're going to not get a license to this thing or that thing because for whatever re it's very it blows my mind how some of these these sort organizations can be like penny wise pound foolish. Yeah. Yeah and it's like I had just finished simplified vehicle simulation optimization program as my masters. So I see the power of not even having figure out what you want the car. To do you give the simulation these limits of things that you want for the balance and for the travels and things and you just say go and it finds setups that will get you those vehicle outputs and it's like, wow, that's still not really being done in the same way as when I was doing way back when. So when you're talking about simulations, is this like tire pressure ride high cameras like the Mechanical Setup Or something else no full model physical model of vehicle. So the big modeling package right now is Damola, which is built on Delta and it handles all the dynamics and vehicle parts, but they're still a lot more to it when you WanNa have a nice gooey interface. You Wanna be able to output files. There's a whole realm of difficulty in putting stuff together. It's pretty impressive that a lot of teams develop their own in house. The commercially available ones are very expensive and you don't get what you want. You get what they produce. So if you WANNA, do your era map in a different way like there's no way you can do that. No, we use this table in a site will. Use this SAI kit learn model that I fit in So that's some of the stuff that I'm trying to get implemented even in our in house him just to move it forward and have a better model, right. But yet. So I, kind of moved on trying to get out of racing actually after I left injury. Didn't really know what I wanted to do. You know the schedule is just brutal in. Thirty eight events and my last year on the road with twenty four, we had twenty two tests. So I was in town thirty, one hours a week while in eight to twelve those hours we're at the shop working in. That was not having good relationship. We're having problems and and it just got the point where I moved into the RND group where I did only about half as much travel and got to work on some pretty cool projects doing experimental. Agassi. Exhibition races. So like Dale Jr. decides he's going to run the car in. xfinity. With his dad's old wrangler paint scheme right and they would work out a deal with Hendrick to make that race happen and so still get to do some race engineering. But I was mostly doing Beta testing and breaking things 'cause I had a reputation for being able to break any SIM- release. So they all went through me before it got released the guys that we're going. To the track. So but I still wasn't programming much. But through that I've got a lot of experience with user experience part of it like just making suggestions to the group of dissimulation simulation group of hey, can we add this little calculator thing over here and can we add this would be really useful for the race engineers at the track and maybe I'm lazy but I like software to work very easily and fluidly and I hate doing a lot of. Clicking and if it take seventy five. To get the SIM run I'm not happy I. You know yeah, exactly. But then moving on after that I, kind of did a an about face in started doing lighting design for concerts and I wasn't happy with the software that was available for that. So this is where I delved into the objective c part using an code with. Her and doing video projections stuff and pretty fun stage sliding motion lights had some pretty cool gimmicks. I always got frustrated at shows where they had lights and video, but the color schemes clashed. So I programmed mine where the projection mapping would follow the complementary color stat of the lighting design Oh. That's clever s goal. Yeah, and then I ran into the problem. We're not. You know sometimes, I would just do the projection stuff and there will be another lighting designer but they. Wouldn't have an output that they could give me easily to receive what color scheme was. So I started using a digital camera and I had a ask that I had built for my ipad where I could pick from the video image and it would decode what that color those pixels were, and then I had a little color matching deal that would match it up. So even if I, didn't have that data coming in really solving problems. That's what I do, right? Yeah. That's awesome. This portion of talk python is brought to you by sooner QB. Here's something I get asked a lot. Once you've mastered the basics python, how do you keep building your skill of the language? 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So they drove me back in it's a technical director role at a small team, and then we're still doing the lighting on the side but then I moved onto I got invited while I was still racing I got invited to be an associate professor UNC Charlotte, the University of North Carolina. Charlotte Oh awesome in mechanical engineering it was in they actually have a mechanical engineering motorsports Division, oh? Wow that's pretty specific. That's awesome. Yeah, and so they Try to prepare the students for getting out into the actual race industry, which is pretty much centered here in Charlotte especially for Nascar. Yeah. That's sort of the world headquarters for Nascar, like Indianapolis Indy and maybe UK as for Formula One. Yeah. I mean it helps physically for all the teams to be close together because there's a lot of turnover between different teams and all, and as you go not have to move all over the country to go to different places is just a link to my commute changes for what team I'm working with. Bunny. Yeah. But I started thinking a lot on designing new vehicle dynamics class and how what I was seeing in other industries with this data science movement and machine learning stuff is that it's going to be the way of the future. I mean there's no doubt about it. The gains that were able to make by applying machine learning algorithms to this data is just leaps and bounds of what anybody could do an excel spreadsheet and it's fast and it's fast to develop and somebody can have a super great. IDEA. But the three other engineers that are going to be using this tool, they want some small aspects of it changed like how you break up the track where you're looking at cornering forces and things, and so I felt like I wanted to make the class a lot like the vehicle dynamics class I took a master's program and it was heavily numerical base. There's all Matlab, and so I just said, well, it's been a few years since I use Matlab but I'm sure it can't be hard to relearn. So, while I was on a full travel schedule, again, I was staying up till one and two in the morning, just making toy projects and do in tutorials and trying to get my class together because I only had two months to not only seals enough to teach the material but I had to write the whole course I had to write all the homework assignments and right all the tests. And, I think I was getting like four hours of sleep there for that two months period and then when I finally had the class done, I slept for like twenty four hours straight. And it doesn't help you still just wake up tired. You know. But a lot of great feedback. They had never even had a matlab class any of the students they don't teach that in the department, and so they were all learning from scratch and one of my as he loved it so much he took my class, the first semester, and then my by second semester and he came to me like halfway through his semester. He's like I almost have my whole thesis research work redone in Matlab because he was trying to use excel to process engine data. Recording it like thousand hurt. You know fifty channels that a thousand Hertz, he had these spreadsheets that were just massive and excel can't handle that. Yeah. The documentary larger whatever like it only five minutes at a time who knows yeah and he redid it and he was just so proud of himself and I was proud for him because that is a big thing to take the semester. You're about to graduate in just start at Ground Zero but to have the skill to be able to do that make happen is pretty good. He actually ended up taking a job at caterpillar designing huge diesel engines for the earth moving equipment. Okay. Yeah. Caterpillars doing a bunch of stuff with python. Oh. Yeah Actually, Caterpillar is one of our sponsors to I. Don't know if you knew that for our team. No, I didn't know that. Yeah. They were telling us a met with some of the guys. We're comparing machine learning notes and he was telling us about their division that does all the reliability testing and things. So they have all their trucks instrumented and as they're going. Out There Beeman the data up to a satellite in beaming it back to their data science department in processing in trying to figure out when these engines are going to fail in a certain way it's pretty impressive how industry has really latched onto the data science but racing still lagging behind I feel. But we still haven't got to my python one of the things. That's right but just went quick comment. I think the type of software that you're talking about is really interesting challenges I gotta work in this for a while as well where it's event base like human event based, yeah? Right. We're going to go to the track it on Saturday the software has to work because we're going to run the simulation in the morning and apply it in the afternoon and if it doesn't work, it's not like well, we'll fix the bug next week we'll push that to the next. Sprint like yeah that was the Daytona five hundred and it didn't work. So you Miss Oh yeah. Tell me about it I mean and it's even worse than that what I always tell all the young engineers that I've trained is there's really two things you need to do to be successful in the racing industry as a engineer. The first thing in foremost is you need to remember the the decisions you're making on this car are gonNA potentially affect somebody's life i. mean much less you crash the car you. Crash the car and hurt driver you could kill the driver you could crash the car so bad parts go through the catch fence in hurt fans which has happened before in. So I always try to make sure that they understand the impact that they could have. But when it comes to the key talent that you need, it's measuring disappointment because it doesn't matter how hard you try. You can show up to the racetrack with the fastest car in be the fastest in every practice in qualify on the pole. In lead the most laps of the race and then by no fault of your own cut a tire plow into the fence in your whole weekend now no matter how good it was to that point your failure now you know and yeah, absolutely yeah, I. See a lot of the young people really have a problem battling with depression and I, tell this story is kind of joke in a way but it serious and it's easy to get disgruntled in like think of yourself as a failure in this industry. I can imagine I mean you have to set your expectations right? Stuff's going to happen. Things are GONNA, go wrong right sometimes your fall sometimes not sometimes finishing in the middle is something you've got to be proud of and not like seen as a failure whatever I just I think it does take that mental sort of not necessarily toughness, but just setting the expectations in a real way. Absolutely, it seems really frustrating like he's been the whole weekend someone takes you out I corner the race doesn't matter how good you simulation was not you you're packing it up and going back home yeah. Yeah. And there's a few other aspects of it to where I mean we're team right. So if one guy gets down on the team and your Ryan Back Hotel and your your minivan. He makes some comments about how bad practice was that day or something that affects everybody around you and so having that positive mental attitude is the only way to be successful and I mean I've definitely learned a lot through my career, which is why I try to share that. But in my earlier days, it was rough. I was not a good teammate and would say harsh things and I would have harsh things said to me. Yeah. But back on the python tracks, we still haven't made it there. So, after I had my son, I couldn't do working race team fulltime and teaching classes. So I had to quit the UNC Charlotte job and I loved it loved my time with Matlab. But then I lost my license because I was on a educational license. So I had to look at the landscape of like what I WANNA do at Richard childress racing we had some legacy licenses at the time, but they were so old that going back and relearning what the syntax were was not really something that I had any interest in, and now we've actually upgraded and we have plenty of Matlab licenses as well but I've put so much effort into my. Python experience and I just love it. I mean it's clean. My Code is beautiful I love pepper. I love black. Oh. Yeah and just not even having to think about the white space and how do continuation lines and Ami just every aspect of it I. I really the most surprising thing to me is that python didn't show up on my radar during my entire career up until three years ago and that it's pretty interesting. Yeah. 'cause just nobody in my industry used it. But yeah. So I've kind of gone full tilt on the Python kick probably done twenty or twenty-five online courses and everything that's on the Cagle page been working on the fast. Yeah I. Think you interview Jeremy Howard who is just amazing. Teacher has amazing teaching style. You can't not like the Guy Yeah Awesome. Yeah. I don't think I have interviewed him I should. But yeah, fast is cool. Yeah. In clean in hours already using pie torch in it works on top of Pie Torch now. So okay. So maybe give me perspective. Now you're three years in you know you're not nude python world at all anymore some the suffering and talk about the been. Doing it's incredible, but it's still pretty fresh in your mind I suspect you'll coming from like this commercial matlab every little aspect of a library, every toolkit I wanNA use like another thousand dollars in a negotiation with a purchasing side of my company, versus if you can find it on get hub on Pie and it's works decent. Now that's another thing you can do. It feels like the world is more open to just doing what you want to solve your problem well and I. Think to put that even further I would say that the competition level is really interesting with open source is as you see, some new ideas come out you might see package start and then another flower pops up somewhere else and the contributors look at each other's work and they're like, okay, I'm GonNa, come work on yours now. Yeah. Just like abandoned that space if somebody comes out with like a better approach to solving some issue I, think that that is a powerful thing. That these commercial softwares can't compete with right exactly and they definitely can't compete with all the free help that people give. Yup Absolutely. That's really really interesting. So let's talk really quickly just about some high level stuff in racing WANNA keep a little bit focused just so we can spend a lot of time on the python that you're writing the simulations you're doing, but just give us a sense of what type of data you're collecting you know is this during the race you're tracking? Wear or is it speeds or are you trying to simulate when you should pit? What kind of stuff are you guys doing pretty much most of that we're limited during the RACE NASCAR has they issue us a data logger and it is nothing that you can really mess with in it only has certain channels. So we're only allowed to have a few channels during the race you know GPS location. So Lat long elevation type stuff a few basic driver thing. So you'll have brake pressure throttle position in steering wheel angle everything he's doing he controls with those three things. So I mean other than shifting years but most of the time we don't even shift gears on track 'cause you get the fourth year and that's where you stay for the for the whole lap. Must you're on a road course? Yeah. But during tests, we might have a small tests where we just have like fifty instruments where were actually tracking damper travels for the suspension. Engine things airflow through the radiators air throws air flows through break ducks you know for running out of breaking track we have these things called will force transducers did are like the top of the line they're the most expensive sensor. So you typically actually d tune your car when you go test with this because you don't want to risk it in the wall. But. It measures the three directions of force three directions the tour tire pressure tire temperature in. So there's quite a few centers on just that one tire will use pedo tubes mounted to the roof to track airflow across the top of the roof so we can look at the pressure difference there there's inside the engine there's just hundred things that you could do. So the data system, the data person job is pretty demanding as well as it sounds like it. But the system we use for the races is pretty small. It's pretty lightly it's not a big deal. Yeah. I mean not to mention we go to the wind tunnel I. Don't know if you've seen the wind shear wind tunnel, which is what we use most of the time, but it's a yeah I don't think. So maybe tell people about it. Yeah. Yeah. It's a hundred eighty mile an hour rolling road wind tunnel like a treadmill that goes one hundred and eighty miles an hour. It's a treadmill with A. Three hundred thousand dollar stainless steel belt my goodness. Okay you know and so there's forced pads under the bell to measure the weight on the tires and you're trying to capture the wind speed through the radiator in that kind of test to and you don't WanNa mess with that belt because it's very expensive. But hundred eighty miles an hour is the believe it's still the fastest wind tunnel in the world. That's pretty awesome and I love when we do wind tunnel tests because I only live about three miles from the wind tunnel and I live forty miles from the shop so. It's much nicer commute but they don't get to listen to as much podcast. Yeah. That's true. That's definitely a drawback at Three Mile Commute. Pretty Sweet. Yeah. So one of the things that you actually have been spending a lotta time. is applying. Python. And psychic learn to the wind tunnel. Right Oh. We had a aerodynamicists leave at the end of twenty eighteen who managed the wrangling of all the data from the raw wind tunnel data into what are some needs to ingest to do all of its calculations and he kind of left all of a sudden in. So I wasn't that busy inside just like. Hey pick me and so I took it over and I have to say that the system did they were using for this wind tunnel data in excel was a nightmare and so our manufacturer Jerem odors had been working with a company to develop a new fitting algorithm to fit the state you have to imagine this data is is four dimensional so you have to travel. Things on the body that tell you that to your car, and then you have the Yaw. Angle. That your car is to the win and then you have role, right? Okay. So it's a four fit problem. So they're Kinda struggling with getting accuracy that we were trying to demand and their system. The workflow is pretty hairy in a lot of manual cutting and pasting and. Putting it into a form that you need, and I got so fed up with this wind tunnel few months ago. That said, you know what? There's another guy who's helping with us now hey, you start with their stuff in trying to do it mash it through, and I'm just going to write a new script python and let's see who finishes and what the results are. and. So you know at first I was really nervous because it was like the first time I had tried to fit a four dementia surface like that in Python and at the end of the second day I. Had improved the accuracy of the fit five times while in some parts of the map and just five hundred percent proven that's insane. Yeah. I'm like you know but where it missed it miss really bad. It wasn't bad everywhere but we're it missed it was really bad. So I might have had we talk wind tunnel terms in terms of. which is coefficient, but they might have an error point of map of eighty counts and I might have an error of one count or two counts at that same point in. So the support vector regression algorithm and psych it learn is phenomenal and so easy to work with in at fifth, super fast for the amount of data that we're using. But yet, I think another interesting aspect of that project is the other aerodynamicists I was working with who went on and got the headaches of the of the other package you take the bumpy road. When he came back why have been doing it for almost three years at that point two and a half years so I had suffered enough. But yeah, he he came back and I showed him when I was doing and he was struggling with his cheat he uses in the wind tunnel of his accelerate locking up and things like that and so we had a few discussions back and forth Matlab versus Python and everything else and I showed him the code four, the Arrow map fitter that I bill and he was like I'm sold. That looked so easy. That looks so easy and so he actually jumped on board and has been working on this project to replace his thing and he finished it last week and it for the first time in the wind tunnel last week. So Kudos to him that's a that's pretty good advancement and has a big achievement. Yeah. In a two month span. Yeah. Wow. But he also had a good teacher against since. He calls me up but one thing that you talk about on the show a lot is the impostor syndrome and I have to say that hits me right in the heart because every project do gotta learn something new finish the project in it's like will I ever? Like, know enough to just sit down and not have to pull up the documentation on some package or something, and you know it kind of gets to you. After a while you get stuck on some pandas forget what it's called. Now it's like it's where pandas is trying to make pandas thinks you're trying to make a copy of data but what you're really doing is pointing to the same spot in memory, right? So you'RE GONNA run into problems. When you change the one thing and now the other thing changes in that kind of stuff is hard to get your head around when you come from the Matlab space. So he has lots of errors like that but you know having my co worker come to me in show me what he's struggling with immediate. You just have that Y I remember struggling with that. Here's how you fix it. Yeah, and that really takes away a lot of the. impostor part when you can provide so much help. So quickly without any effort because a great point because so often you're pushing the edge of the envelope, Ernie. Do More and more of your current skill set. So you always are pushing against that edge and always right you got you feel that like that struggle but then you get a chance to look back and help others you like Oh, actually this is easy. I clearly see what you need. To do I remember this was hard but it doesn't feel heart anymore. Yeah. Great. Well, you know in the racing industry have data that I'm processing that comes directly from Nascar. I. Have the track data that's coming from multiple sources. I have the wind tunnel data that's coming from source your joke about I think it was your Brian said the joke about eighty percent of a data scientist job is wrangling data and and getting it into the right form. And twenty percent is them complaining about spent so much time wrangling the data I definitely have been accused that because I will complain. But again, you have all these different sources that you don't control, and so when you have a sheet data file being delivered to you the changes size in all different aspects every week dependent on the track has different wits indifferently sin all this stuff and doing dealing with that by hand is just a nightmare. So Python's a definite blessing with regards to that. 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Let him know that we sent you. I can imagine and you know the version of the software changes due to go to the track the next time they're like, Oh, we've changed the format of this or we've added a column or taken away call him and you're was like, oh, great here ago. Yea Constantly Oh always would add the column they know added at the end. So in Excel where you had all your formulas related to that cell now that cell is not the same data anymore you gotta go through and Change All your formulas again, and it's just like halfway through the session it's changed or something. Yeah. Is Or. You know it's a data stream. So maybe the data's just not coming in anymore it just you missed a packet. Now, what do you do then and or there's a big section of blank out so dealing with that with pandas is just a dream come true. Because has like the drop in as that just read all the as or you can replace all the Na's with zero or whatever kind of makes sense for whatever that entity is in especially for. The amount of data that were processing from a race event where the data's all being recorded at twenty hertz right for hours. It's a four hour event with ten channels at Twenty Hertz. Oh, and NASCAR releases all forty cars data. So everybody had. So you don't just have your two cars that are in the race. You've got the forty cars that are in the race that's interesting to you do a lot of analysis on the competitor's cars. Yes. I can imagine. Yes. Quite a bit we're actually right now what I'm gearing up to do is do a full suite of dashboards to try to get the hands into. The data in a usable format into the hands of the less technical people or even the technical people who just don't have python experience, it's been hard for me to provide them with it. It's mostly them sending me work orders where said, Hey, can you run this on these files? I need this report. Yeah. GimMe the report. Yeah and so you had done I guess it's been a couple of months ago. You had the guy from extremely on Adrian on from streamlined. Yeah injured. Yeah and I have. been working with partly dash and I think for the end Polish product maybe you can make it look nicer with dash still, but you have to do all the CSS programming I mean who really wants to do all that stuff. So I actually downloaded stream today for the first time and started working with this afternoon and I've already got a dashboard bill. The is functioning with lap data. Oh, that's cool. Plotting out lap times and and I mean, it is. Just it is. Wow, what a simple thing. To, for those folks who haven't heard about stream letter didn't listened to that episode I'll give my take on it. You can give your take on it. So the ideas you take something that would be just a top to bottom regular script maybe that's functions. Aba. Doesn't and you want to turn that into an interactive website. That's sounds like a very far bridged across but. The Way Street works is it does a bunch of Magic to give you stuff that you just put into your script, and then it turns that into interactive dashboards, sliders and drop downs and search fields, and all kinds of stuff and integrates with plot lay and other tools as well. It's pretty slick, right? It's really slick in like one of the things that I'm surprised agent. Didn't really touch on or maybe didn't I just didn't recall it works similar to do a lot of stuff in Jupiter notebook some always wanting to review my data. So at create a data frame and then it's Deif DOT head. So I can see and make sure that it's in the right form and stuff and extremely does that it puts it on your webpage. So you. Don't even have to tell it s t dot table or whatever. You just put the data frame just data for him, and then Bam, it's on your page is anything that is a variable that is on a line by itself. It just assumes you want it to put that output to html and I mean how awesome is that I mean this is like the best laziest. Package I've Ever Seen Productivity productive laziness or something like that. There's gotta be a term for it. And working with it for the few that I did into already have a dashboard that doesn't look great but is functioning is as is pretty impressive. So yeah, definitely has to this something. You could publish for people to interact with more real time data or so they don't have to bother you. They can go do the slider themselves or like the thing themselves and they get the answer, right? Yeah. Exactly and sometimes too many opinions is too much definitely racing because everybody's making decisions from partial information but I still think getting tools like that into as many hands in front of as many eyeballs as possible has got to be. An improvement of somebody noticing something that people haven't noticed yet and hey, what's with this or hey, look at this correlation you know if you do this output metric versus you're finishing position and you see a trend of spring rates and things having all this people poke around at this stuff because we do have I think our simulation has six hundred, thirty, four user inputs right now. So in some of those are some of those are not stuff that you touch all the time a lot of them aren't, but there's about two hundred and seventy five things that you set in the model to actually be able to simulate a car. And it gets worse every day because things keep getting added to it. Right. So all right different you can turn different adjustments you can make the up in everything's interactive it's a dynamic system it's not a dynamic part. You can't change this spring in change you can't change one thing and get any benefit. You have to change a system of parts right change the springs to make them softer. That changes the right height with changes, the dynamics which changes the wind pressure what right like it's all. Exactly, it's like a whack a mole you change one thing it's going to change a bunch of others. Yeah. Exactly and you'll have crew chiefs that come to you in eight minutes left in practice in one of these five things in expect you to know how to set the other things to keep your car from crashing into the ground. So it better run quick. Yeah. So how do you run these things computational slow or do you just have a lot of hardware or is it not that bad? Yes So. It depends there's different aspect. There's the full dynamic model and that needs to solve a thousand Hertz. So that's a lot of data a lot of decisions being made for how all these parts are moving on the suspension and everything how the car is sliding up with the tires across the pavement that I won't say is slow, but it's way slower than a steady state model, which is getting rid all the dynamics basically using a set of data inputs that are super simplified and. Only solving ten hurts. So you don't get the same answer, but like in a case where you need to make a decision really quick and like right now that is a great tool to have as well. Right. If you can get an answer that you're ninety percent sure of in the next fourteen seconds that is way better than getting an answer that you're ninety five percent. Sure of. In forty two minutes. Yeah. It's exponentially as you get your accuracy, you pay with money you pay with computational time you pay with losing the engineers focus the longer he has to sit there twiddling thumbs like is like he's daydreaming about what he's GonNa do in the track closes or whatever you know right? It's easy to lose yourself when you're running two hundred sims a week I can imagine well. So one thing I've been thinking about as we're talking is all these different inputs trying to notice what correlations that are might be. You'd have axed a lot of different cars and whatnot and It seems like there's probably a lot of machine learning stuff that you could potentially apply here like what's the story of machine learning in your world? I it is the future. So when I say, we have a lot of data most of our projects it's not what most people like big data guys would think is big data. We don't have a lot of places where we can do like deep learning applications because we just don't have enough of the data that fits in this box we're trying to get very specific answers and even though you have a race with four hours, a data. There's a ton of data in there. That's completely worthless because the caution came out or right. If you can't feed that to a training system when over to do different races where one part you did that stint with no, no yellow flag, the other you obviously higher pressures and temperatures will change the fuel used Jay all those things are just like they're not comparable, right? Yeah. There's a few places that we've used some deep learning. Okay. Some photo stuff you know. General Motors provides the photographer to the track well, during the pandemic, they don't always, but they provide a professional photographer to the track to take pictures of all your other cars, all the cars on track. So you can say, well, here's their attitude on track and here's our attitude and we're doing wrong because they're faster than us or whatever. Right. But over weekend, you have about seven thousand photos taken and to go in, of course, it comes in with the file name. Of whatever the camera set up to produce, which is pretty much meaningless when you WanNa, find all the pictures of the eighteen car right in. So you have to look skim through all these thumbnails of these mixed cars because everybody's on track at the same time. So it's not like they're grouped together in any way. So one good application is to use a neuro net too. Yeah. I guess I should say conversational neuro net to look at these photos in right New File names and organize organism into folders just take the manual drudgery out of that kind of thing right? Maybe even create a dashboard that says I WANNA look at this car and I need to look at it from the side to that I can understand how much it's like tilting forward or whatever right the rake to show me that show me that for this car, you could probably build that with streamlined. That's a great idea thing. Don't build that next week. They go. What's crazy is like you mean, you're joking it theoretically could be a couple of weeks whereas like ten years ago. That was like we're gonNA need fifty years and a million dollars research and like a bunch of PhD's, and now it's like maybe we'll do that in his little. APP are cute little, APP. Yet so a lot of the performance stuff we have enough data during the race to use some deep learning but I, I really think the simpler just regression analysis and classification analysis types of things where you're looking at data, you take all the metrics of output of these different cars and you split up around the track, and then you train a fairly simplified model on what do fast cars have in common what the slow cars have in common. And let's not be like the slow cars because there is so much data. It's hard to say what Knob does matter what Knob is the crucial thing. So that's the direction we're going and I'm excited about it. Soon new skills and being given the opportunity to apply and so many different aspects of the job is just issue GE-, keep them motivated. Talk Python is partially supported by our training courses. How does your team keep their python skills sharp? How'd you make sure new hires get started fast and learn the Python Acquai-. If the answer is a series of boring videos that don't inspire or a subscription service you pay way too much for us way too little listen up. Attacked by training, we have enterprise tears for all of our courses get just the one course you need for your team with full reporting and monitoring or ditch that anew subscription for course, bundles, which include all the courses and you pay about the same price as a subscription once. For details visit training talk by thought data. FM slash business or just email sales at talk python fem. Yeah I can imagine in racing as one of those things. That's pretty interesting because there's a lot of bespoke engineering that happens like one off custom engineering. A team of people that are building stuff in adjusting stuff is not like well, these are the three things I can get from the parts store. I'm GonNa Stick on here like ray you guys are like well, it would be better if it was like this, let's go build that and try it right? Yeah. In our hands have been tied quite a bit recently with the rules package and we can't do a lot of that anymore all the parts have to be submitted to Nascar ahead of time and then they judge whether they like it or not, and if it's okay if It's too different from anybody else they won't approve it. So it turns into a bit of a cat and mouse game where you're trying to sneak stuff around every. Once in a while, you see somebody get caught with something some unapproved part and they get a hundred thousand dollar fine in their hand slapped yeah you know. But that's a real deal. Yeah. I can imagine every little bit of an edge and you gotta push it to the limit for sure. But I think a lot of people take for granted how much tech is in NASCAR because they look at the somewhat antiquated. Cars with rear suspension from a nineteen, fifty, six Chevrolet pickup, and they can't understand the science behind trying to make a thirty five, hundred pound car with truck suspension go fast is actually pretty impressive because I mean the foreign cars absolutely designed to be unbelievable race cars but we're not allowed to do that. So you have to use a lot of weird tricks and things to get these things to go fast and hand well, and so it's it's a little bit different I think from an engineering standpoint the jobs in the different series is quite a bit different I? THINK NASCAR are. Pretty similar, you see people going back and forth between those series you'll see a lot of Formula One guys. Most of those series have the the somewhat SPEC right aspect to it. Right like a lot of rules about were kinda going to agree on this part goes here or in cars the same chassis as all Delara Chelsea's or something like that right? Right? Yeah. But I think the jobs are quite a bit different to for race team has three hundred employees. They might only have twenty five engineers in Nascar. Yeah in. Formula. One if they have three hundred employees, my understanding is that Almost three hundred of them have an engineering degree exactly and they're they're back their building carbon carbon adapters for who knows what, right? Yeah and I. Think we had a few Formula One people come in work at Richard childress a few years ago and the parts that they had worked on. They were incredibly talented at that aspect. But like in Nascar because you have fewer people, you can't be you can't just be tired I really like as a race engineer you need to be. Over the full spectrum of working on every aspect of this car to even hope the thing is going to go fast. Yeah and if you had thirty or forty people working on the little details, it'd be better but our budgets just aren't there right right. I didn't know what the Nascar prices maybe tell me to run an Indycar I think is about fifteen million her year Brennan Formula One car. Ferrari and Mercedes are spending like three, hundred, four, hundred, million dollars a year. Yeah. As a ten X are twenty X. The really. Different constraints if you can operate those two numbers. There's nobody spending one, hundred, million dollars that I'm aware of running a you know. You have to keep in mind too that the Formula One cars there only two cars. Yeah. Right and so they have all that resource and they're still only run into cars. So they're only paying drivers you look at Hendrick motorsports or something, and they have four drivers this you're paying drivers the most expensive part for sure. Yeah. Sides maybe that adaptor that measures the wheel that you don't want crash he asked. Most drivers are still way more expensive than that. When they win is worth it right right yeah. I haven't looked at much of the budget stuff in a long time. What I'll say is there's a huge gap in what kind of team you're running the guys that are out there running thirty fifth fortieth are doing pretty cheap the cars themselves aren't ridiculously expensive because it's old tech and there's we can't do. Carbon bodies I mean we have some carbon parts but teams don't have autoclaves where they're making a monocoque right but I think going on the budget I think the last number I heard it was about a hundred, fifty, thousand dollars a week you know an event. So if you do as good as I am at math and science I'm terrible at basic math. So whatever one hundred and fifty thousand times thirty eight is is a pretty decent number. Five. Point seven million yeah, Nice. Yeah. So there's a big difference sir. Yeah Yeah for sure. There's a lot of benefits to keep your costs down to yeah Oh. Yeah. Because when you're looking at the sponsorship in, you're trying to make the sponsor dollar goes as far as possible. You know being much cheaper is better. Yeah. Well, and it means that the sport could be more vibrant, right? Like if one team drops down, another can come in it's not like they have to come up with half a billion dollars, right? Right something insane right in an engineering. Factory and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, it's definitely interesting. So let's maybe just wrap up our on this, which has been really really fun just to maybe get your thoughts on this idea of open source python both for ramping up the capabilities. But also by opening up the possibilities, right you don't have to buy expensive licenses to custom modeling software and whatnot. How do you see that affecting or the advantage of your team or the industry in general I think. It's going to be the wave of the future I mean I. Don't see why you would buy Matlab license now. Yeah. Definitely. If you're having young engineers coming in that have never use Matlab and have that be your standard. I feel like the learning curve of Matlab is just much more difficult getting. All right getting things to work especially the file input output aspects that you know I always struggle I had a ton of experience when that lab and I still struggled with. Oh I've got to XML I've gotta get. Okay. Well, how do I even do that in our Jadon or something and yet with pandas one line and interprets what you would thinks you mean it to be an yeah I think it's going to be the wave of the future and for race teams free is always better. Yeah. Cheap is not always good but free is better right and the other angle is you can bring in people who are. Not, really trained you know brought up through them the engineering side or the math and Matlab side of things. Right you could find somebody who was working at a startup but as passionate about this and they're really good at python data science, they could make that transition over potentially. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean that's what I was saying before the science of what you do it doesn't matter if you're if you're working at Caterpillar or a race team or Toilet Paper Factory. The way that you're studying the data, all the data science stuff, it applies to every field in the in the universe. So that's absolutely true that you could bring in some excellent programmers. The one thing I will say, and we have some excellent programs that are the ones who actually do our simulation department and everything and but they don't necessarily come from. A racing background and the one thing I'll say like I said I was passionate about you X. The biggest thing we fight with them is trying to get them to do it the way we want right not the easiest way to Code Yeah Because I. Need Flexible Tools I need a lot of buttons and things to be able to manipulate this the. Way I want, and it's one of our programmers he was doing a job for me and he delivered it to me and I'm like, what is this? This is nothing like what we discussed like where is this part of it? Is this part? How did you not include this in? He's a Spanish guy I won't try to make his accent, he's the. One guy to brilliant programmer but he explained it to me. He said when we talked about the project, you explained a lot of things and I didn't see why they were needed. Here's what you need to understand. If you hand me a banana and tell me to eat it and don't tell me to peel it, I will eat it unpeeled and just like. But now he's a great guy and we're doing a lot of good work right now he's building data store to be a server based data store for all these dashboards to be able to work flawlessly across we're all over the country, right so you need to have a good data system and you need to keep that data sinked. So if somebody doesn't analysis in posted up, it needs to change on everybody's computer right br the synchronization poor is tough problems still with few a database in there's eighteen people across the company editing, the same setup they how do you merge all that stuff and so that has been the bane of my. Existence, for a long time, I'm sure to keep all that data and seeing and you're going to ruin report and expect an answer out of you want to run it against the same data because otherwise right you want to run out data and all that Kinda stuff right Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, thank you so much for sharing your story about how you're using on and over at the race team. That's that's fantastic. Now before you get out of here though got to ask the questions. Oh. Yeah. You're gonNA write some rights by John Code How do you what us if it's an analysis project I, almost always start with Jupiter. Jupiter Jupiter Lab, which one are you on right now cheaper. Okay and that lets me do my old Matlab like searching around where I can print out the data and just a visual thing for me to understand how the flow of this analysis needs to go, and then generally what I'll do is once I get done, I'll merge that all into one sale and put it in vs code for when it's ready to actually be used on a regular basis. That way I don't have to go through and click all the cells and well, this thing was out of order and this thing with you know. The Jupiter is a gift and also a curse. Yeah. It's a little bit like excel in that regard that it has these implicit Goto is not because the control flow but because you could go back three cells run that thing then jumped down five cells and run the next one and it looks like in order like they happen order. But no, you've got to read that little execution number. Then there's missing numbers that you don't really know what they maybe did you. There's no more evidence of them. It's very tricky in that regards I think productized being straight I on files makes a lot of sense. Yes. So that's my typical workflow. Sounds good, and then notable pipe package I know everybody's heard about black. But for anybody who uses Jupiter, there's another package called black. So magic that lets you apply blacks formatting inside of Jupiter Notebook and so my goodness. So that keeps even like my workbook things that never make it to production at least formatted right and looking nice and then I can't say enough about open Pixel, which is a an. Excel a python excel interface. It provides all the functionality of cell colors and borders. You could program it all just by typing it out instead of clicking through eight thousand excel pop up windows and things that's going. This gives you. This is like your bridge to all the people who have legacy excel stuff laying around or they WANNA work in cell, and they're like excel, and they're like here you go you're. Not Doing, be hold on Yep. No and crew chief can only use excel. You have to pass him and accelerate at the end of the day. So that has been a blessing in the one thing I found out today when I went and downloaded when I was going to the documentation on stream it is they have a new stream lit for teams coming out I. Don't know if you've seen that, yeah. This is going to have one click server deployment for your APP so you can ask me so we. Work together and everything. So definitely check that out if you haven't are awesome very good recommendations. Okay. Final action people are excited about this stuff maybe making python a bigger part of their engineering story. What he say I like it, they gotta do it. It's a friendly environment great places to learn all over the Internet also mostly free and I guess the other thing I'd like to say is just shout out to all my teammates in case anybody lessons to this they probably hear me talk about Python enough but. We won we finished first and second in the race on Sunday. So shout out to Austin Dillon for while what event was that it was Texas Tech's motor speedway Echo. All right congratulations and I guess it's cool to know a little bit of python was in behind the scenes that Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Winning races right on and I will mention that there's another race tomorrow night. Thursday on the NBC streaming network. In Kansas. So definitely check that out at on. Awesome CAINE. Thanks again for being on the show. Really good. Hear your story and it's inspiring what you're doing. Yeah. 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PCC Multiverse #200- The Weeknd vs. The Grammys, Can G4 Succeed This Time Around, and Will The Undertaker Actually Stay Retired?

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PCC Multiverse #200- The Weeknd vs. The Grammys, Can G4 Succeed This Time Around, and Will The Undertaker Actually Stay Retired?

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Indeed because there's a lot of grammy nominations that were sprout but one act in particular. We think got robbed so we'll talk about. Maybe why that is for the weekend. And what happened with that. And how. He has responded. We'll talk about that coming up later in the program as well. The undertaker thirty years after his first appearance at survivor series supposedly retired this past weekend. And the reason why is supposedly. I'm going to throw this out there later on the program do we actually think he's retired. We'll talk about that coming up as well and of course we will talk about all the great things that are going on pop culture right here on the pc multiples and again we thank you for being around for two hundred episodes indeed but first off. I just want to ask you this. Mr just josh. Today and marcus. Stella garza g four recently had on youtube it's holiday reunion special as sort of a primer to get you back into g four because it was announced that g four is going to be revived in some form or fashion has been quite laid out as far as how whether it's going to be as own network again whether it's going to be on just twitch or it's going to be for social media was going to be part of another streaming outlet or entity hasn't been really delved into yet but g four was alive and well for at least one night for its holiday special so ask you this josh. First your thoughts on g four coming back the crew coming back and if it is a good thing or if it is a thing we'll stick around this time earl saw okay question here. Is everybody coming back or or these. Like new host retirement because there is livia mon- who is her host on attack of the show shelvin harare pereira and there is the the two people at is morgan and atom. Right x play. And that's pretty much the only thing that everybody remembers those two shows. I mean right with only two good shows though yeah. I just don't think that there's that many things that people remember about g for than played a ton of cops episodes and had obviously x play and and tanga the show and had maybe just a little bit more. But marcus. I wanna ask you this now i mean. Is this something that we were exciting for is something that we wanted back in our lives because it really never had the kind of audience. I think that they were looking for the first time around. I think it is. this is a nice rebirth. i would. I would call this. I read a couple articles where comcast talking about how they're building a new east sports arena and it seems like this might be in conjunction with universal at this point that g fourteen vs coming back just in time for this new sports arena. That they're talking about this article. Haven't seen any official announcements yet. So i don't wanna go ahead and that's that's the thing you official thing but i'll keep an eye out and we'll share some news as soon as we get it. I do want to say this is something i'm excited for. I think gee ford was ahead of. Its time and i agree. We're a position now or eastwards being what they are especially in this nation g four could very well succeed this time around. I'm really looking forward to this guys. I m y. I'm not saying i'm or trying to give it any this or any amount of hatred that day. I just there's a reason why went off the air in the first place. But you're right it was ahead of its time with all the streaming stuff that they did in a way. That does like you. Like i know you're on coming on now is coastal finding because it showed a lot of gameplay footage things of that nature it was head of its time as far as the streaming aspect of game playing aspect. Even some game competitions that they had their wanna hear your thoughts on g four. Ed do you think it's a good thing this time around. I'll definitely sit down and watch my big question here is do you think that they're gonna have to like because i know. Espn has a lot of rights to East sports and you know you look at these big entities out there right now on youtube like rooster teeth and kinda funny and businesses like that. Do you think that in that type of climate g going to be able to survive because they would basically have to adapt all these different business models from their competitors to even make it so they are able to You know pool an audience and it sounds like they're leaning on nostalgia right now but they're gonna have to figure out how to bring new generations of people into g four asset where is that where maybe a twitch integration or finding away to. Something like that is going to immediately bring them to the younger market. That wasn't exposed for the first time around. Yeah and even like you look at podcasts. And have people do game streaming i know how the distribution rights go for the streams as far as like what. Espn has as far as sports goes. But like you said if they're doing some kind of east sports thing with what was comcast said or spectrum. Yeah comcast is is the parent behind it. So so. I mean if that's something that they can get their hands in than yeah i can see them being successful. There's just a lot of steps are going to have to take in the meantime. Well the thing is if you said comcast is involved with that. Could this maybe abuse branching office a part of a peacock their subscription service. Yeah i mean obviously the twitch integration you talked about hong he talked about all the stuff that's available now today. Marcus d think that could be somewhere where might lead up as far as that's concerned for streaming services that add that on the might be a little nice little cherry on top for their entire packaging and promotional sunday type deal. I mean i just. I just think that g four has to have a a regular home somewhere that people go ahead and connect to outside of just the regular twitch youtube and social media outlets. No i i agree with that. You know it's if you could slide into a peacock or any of the online streaming services and it sounds like it's getting into being peacock because they're all affiliated together via nbc universal. Comcast thing. so. I don't doubt that they'll end up on a streaming platform. It's just where they. How do they take advantage of it. How can this be marketed. Properly so that you know you can drive even more users to peacocks. Platform via this eastwards channel. So let me ask you does this. Do you think that perhaps not reinventing the entire network. Maybe just having their popular shows like x play in attack of the show and maybe putting it on a streaming service. You think that that would work out better for them or do you think they really have like a a great shot at creating an entire television network year. I would be part of another network. I don't think having him being its own entity this time around. It would meet the kind of the same fade. i mean. There's just not enough programming for them to go ahead and justify there was in the first time around. I mean that that's the thing that that cost him in the first place. There wasn't enough reasons to watch diverse place. I know they've added some individuals like for instance. Wwe's xavier woods is now joining g four in some capacity at like you said the host of both x play. An attack of the show are coming back. Obviously they enjoyed their time g four enough and yes. There's probably of money involved in getting the back. But obviously they love being part of g four enough to say you know what we want to bring this back especially libya munn who you know works as an actress. She's in movies. She hasn't had the greatest career yet. I mean she's been with some movies that hasn't done as well as she would like say. Her career has been an apocalypse. Something like that something like that. But you know she's she's still working actress out there at hollywood so you know it can't be cheap to bring her in but at least it shows that everybody a g. four. They liked to be a part of g four in the past and they like to be a part of it again in the future. Yeah and just because what. I'm thinking about right now. is that. there's a whole bunch of new like hurdles jump through. That weren't there before they went off the air i think right before like the rise of streaming services. So that's a whole new competition that they have to get themselves into learn how to navigate. I'm looking at it from that standpoint and wondering with cable already on the decline. What are the odds of an entire channel being successful here. Well that's where you've got the the money of comcast behind you to really drive this plan home just in the sense of you know when you've got enough money to buy whatever studios you want you can guarantee the success and failure of this g four's return just injected with money solves. Everything solves a lot of things. Indeed what are your thoughts out there on g four. Do you think it's something that's going to work the second time around. You think it should be part of an existing streaming service for instance. If it's comcast owned maybe they should join up with peacock and be a part of that along with the you tubes the facebooks and the twitches of the world plus getting out all the stuff that you see jian or even the pop culture cosmos stew on a weekly basis. We want to hear your thoughts. Pop culture cosmos and yahoo dot com. If four can work a second time around goes toasters and you're listening to pop culture cosmos podcast for the latest news and information analysis and opinions on the los angeles lakers and the nba. Check off the lakers fast-break podcast today on wherever you get your pockets. We're back again on the pc multi number two hundred. And i'm here with both marcus and josh today. We cannot thank you for watching. We truly appreciated be avengers. They knew game. It's been out for a few months now. I know it's going to be heavily discounted or has been heavily discounted for black friday because it's going to be dropping on black friday so it's been heavily discounted so if you want to great price on avengers now's the time to go ahead and get it throughout the weekend but i want to ask you this. I was the vendors. According to square inex- there's so much marketing and development involved that it is not made its development budget back and that's tells me that first of all it costs a lot of money to make and it also has not sold mean expected so it's not actually garnered the kind of sales that it's needed to. I don't want to say it's been a failure but it certainly hasn't garnered the kind of interest i think square inex- would like so i want to ask you this josh marcus. What are your thoughts on the failure of the marbles avengers video game because obviously if the reviews from a lot of fans i've talked to have been disappointing and the fact is that a lot of people have moved on from the marvel's avengers and gone onto other things. Yes so i know is reading about this game back before. It launched in a lot of people who worked on fought that the game wasn't ready to be released and i. I think that that's one of the big issues. And it's just sad for like it's crystal dynamic. I think makes us one. They have this reputation of making games at a lot of people. Poor winter games numerator. Yeah a lot of people play but then they just remember them as being okay afterwards you know because like the new tomb raider games amazing but the last one was just. It was not very memorable. Okay that was cool. I'm glad i played that. I wonder if that's how people are feeling about avengers. So i you know what. I'm talking to brian on the super bowl games cast and he was saying he played it. And it's fun but it also feels very incomplete and i'm wondering if the mixture of that and some of the decisions they've made as far as like exclusive content to sony or susan content to microsoft has kind of damaged the way people see that game. What are you guys thoughts on that. Go ahead marcus. Yeah gerald i was gonna say. We talked about this game about a month and a half ago. If i remember correctly ian you know when we talk about it then we are kind of hanging our hat on the multi player aspect if i remember correctly because the story-line had widely been regarded as kinda just of whatever and you know looking at the numbers here. Scoreine inex- reported a sixty two million dollar quarterly loss. And they're thinking about forty nine point. Six of that is going to be coming from the vendors game itself and that's that's not a hole in the whole type deal this is. That's not a huge huge loss. I mean that's that's something that what. Gta in its embassy. He'd made that in the first hour or so. You know because yes i mean. It's it's not. It's not gonna turn out well in the long term for the veterans because it just doesn't look like it was a game that was really that complete and and you know at a so just the article i was looking at it. Spent essentially sports dot com. They will they're talking about is the game was probably anywhere from one hundred. Seventy two hundred ninety million to make they only sold three million units. So do the math. They're they're they're hurting right now. And it's i think. Josh hit the nail on the head. It's incomplete and you can tell from the game play. That's been posted online kind of floating around the internet right now seems to be you. Had mentioned. multiplayer seems to be that floating around the internet. I'm just fooling around. The a lot of people are fleeing the game because the multiplayer is just issues with matchmaking. And if this is deciding the fate of the game it sounds like a lot of people. Pick this up because they wanted that multiplayer aspect and it just didn't deliver other many reasons. Why like you said marbles of avengers game did not deliver and unfortunately the fact that it's overall not a rate game to play as many were hoping for i told you before for me a lot of it started with the fact that even though there are some of the top named voice actors involved with vendors. It just wasn't the avengers for me to me. It was like playing through an vendors cartoon like the adventures symbol. Like you're watching it on. Dizzy plus does not sound legitimate. And if i'm paying sixty bucks or video game this weekend you're probably paying closer to twenty bucks on it. It seems like to me. That is not something i wanted to spend that much money on. If i'm not getting the full avengers movie like experience. Because that's what they're they were talking about. That's what they wanted to emily. Maybe want to emulate and closer to the vendors symbol. Tv show that she can watch in dc disney plus. They wanted a closer to the actual movies. That you've been seeing time in a timeout out. That that's the type of image you wanna create. Unfortunately you gotta get the people behind it. You gotta get the stars involved behind it. You gotta pay whatever it is you can get involved on it and then have a story large enough broad enough to go ahead and be able to support that. I think the campaign was a little bit disappointing from what i've seen so far and the extended footage. I've seen just tells me that. I don't want to go ahead and buy this and pick this up just because i don't think it's fulfilling up. Maybe i'll pick it up on the bargain on the cheap but that's not going to help crystal dynamics in the long run so we'll go ahead and finish off this conversation and comes to the marvel vendors. Arkansas i'll start with you but it comes to the marvel's avengers video game. Where did it truly go wrong everywhere. It was incomplete. It lacked everything it needed as far as the matchmaking win as josh talked about with the multiplayer and it just didn't feel like it was a complete marketing of the game itself. And i think a lot of that's probably a over the fact that they knew it was incomplete. They didn't wanna shell out even more money on on something that was going to be a loss. The sad thing is here is that you have the recipe for a perfect superhero game. Right look at the arkham games the batman ones. That is how you do it like. That's what people want. If you're not going to have a multiplayer aspect of the game that functions you need to make it like the arkham games add as the golden standard right. Now you know as for your point gerald. I think you're right. I mean. I think you have a good point as far as of films go if they were to have made this story connected to the mcu in some way. I think that we would be seeing a lot different numbers because there are a lot of people out there who i know are like me you. They have obsessions with continuity. So how much that would have affected the numbers. I don't know. But i i think it would have sold quite a few more copies. Absolutely i think it would have sold quite a few more copies as well. And i'm just disappointed over the fact that the adventures video game has not met up to the standards. It's still gonna take a loss at least for now. Marcus is saying just under fifty million dollars could be attributed to it at this point in time. And that's that's disappointing for square inex- i know. They put a lot into the game. A lot into development as far as costs money time etcetera and crystal dynamics. This'll be like a actually like a bad disappointing slot. Not to the extent of a failures. That we've seen maybe from fallout seventy six. And maybe a couple of other games of recent past like for instance the last game from by aware just some of these games that have really failed on a cataclysmic level. the game is just overall. Been kind of disappointing. And that's to me very very disappointing as well and so i want to hear your thoughts out there from everyone. Why did the avengers video game fail in your is. We want to hear your thoughts. Pop culture cosmos at yahoo dot com guys before we hit the half hour break and knowing and find talking about the first season of anti maniacs. I want to get to this. The grammy's something we don't talk about enough music and where the pop culture cosmos show. We should talk about pop music a little bit more but the grammy's nominations just came out as we're recording this and of course there's a lot of the usuals individuals that we see garner the grammy awards nominations all. The usual suspects seem to be there. Taylor swift beyond say so many others that we've seen time in a time out but there's one name that has dominated pop music in twenty twenty. That is not there that really sticks out to me and he has also spoken out on his thoughts about being looked over passed over. And that's the weekend and regardless of whether you like his music or not to me it's irregardless. He is built quite a plethora of hits so far in twenty twenty josh. I want to hear your thoughts. I before he hit up markets. Tell me your thoughts on wide. You think the weekend was passed up. I mean there again taylor swift beyond say all the other great artists that were there. They deserve everything they get as far as the nominations but not having the biggest artists for twenty twenty in the weekend. Not being part of the grammys as far as nominations are concerned. I think something's wrong. Okay so my question. I don't know a lot about the grammys. all right. i'm like i'm not into the whole award world. I don't know how it works. So i need to know. Are they nominated by a board here or is this based on votes s. It's based on votes like like similar to what we see with the the academy awards. There's a group of individuals that believe they vote. You know if you've been awarded before done. Okay it's seems like this is maybe there's some kind of like system of bias working here like they know who they want to win and as long as they had a new album. Come out that year. That's who the nominations are going to be. I mean i feel it coming is a great song. I just don't understand. I mean blinding lights is as been as big hit. That's been that's probably going to be the number one hit of twenty. Twenty is blinding lights guys. That song has one point. Seven billion plays on spotify. How do you walk away not even nominate the person that has that many plays on a song debuted in march blinding lights again. I feel coming. The blinding lights is going to be the number one song on sirius. Xm just to give you an idea as well. I mean that's not so secret. Because they're dominated the charts on sirius. Xm and i'm assuming when it comes down to what billboard has. it's going to be high up there too. So i don't know there's something wrong here as well. So i wouldn't say something fishy in denmark in the old adage there but something really smells here when when the weekend has that kind of success and it's not able to go ahead and earn that kind of critical acclaim because he he seemingly he's had it everywhere else. I mean okay. So do you think these numbers would look different. If the voting system didn't work off of like aboard of individuals and instead had open online voting for everybody you think that would look different. I mean that's just the people's choice awards at that point right like you have a committee of industry professionals at that point. But i'm with you. I think there needs to be some transparency here because this isn't the first time that we've seen a. I don't want to even call them rap artist. 'cause he's not he's a he's like an rb pop guy. He's i mean his songs flash back to the eighties now. Did his voice sound like michael jackson. But for instance blinding lights sounds to me. Like the old rod stewart song. Just it's to me. It just has that tinge of eighties and early nineties music and to me. It's a nice. Flashback so i i don't get it i just don't get it. Well i was gonna say that you know this just feels like just the continuation of the two thousand fourteen to buckle where kendrick lamar's good kid. Med city should have won. An everybody acknowledged that in somehow makomo ended up taking the the prize at night and ten minutes after the award did to texts kendrick. Lamar hey man. You got robbed. I mean this is a committee. That's totally disconnected. I think at this point in time and it sounds like they need to just refresh and some younger blood in there. Now i will say the representation of women of of people of different ethnicities. I mean there are wrap our is our country. There is pop i mean there is different ethnicities involved in it so i mean that is obviously very good to see but when you pass over and individuals such as the weekend who has just done so many great hits this year and dominated twenty twenty. It's head-scratching is definitely head-scratching. And he's going to be performing at the super bowl and it sounds like that might have been the sticking point with the grammy so he was negotiated. Why is that at all the other big artists get to go ahead and and beyond say she's been on the super bowl so he's performing this year and the grammies wanted him to perform as well and he was negotiating both performances and then he got no nomination so he tweeted last night your collaborative planning a performance for weeks to not invited in my opinion zero. Nominations equals. you're not bite. It so i mean like it's clear that this man is upset and he has a right to be especially if he's working through a performance with them for twenty twenty. One grammys. then. Yeah you would expect you're going to be nominated to some degree and especially with the year he had. I'm with you drill. There's no reason he should not have been nominated. he had an interview already that he's his quote. I think it's it's actually one word i mean. Obviously there was more to it than that but the one word corrupt came up in regards to him not getting any nominations and speaking about the academy for the music arts. That takes care of this. As far as the grandma is concerned. I have to say something is corrupt when a guy that can have that kind of success and blow up the way the weekend has and how the great songs that he has and not one is nominated in any category. So josh i want to hear your thoughts on this before we hit back to marcus one more time. What do you think went wrong because it does sound like something is very corrupt. Yeah i mean. I think marcus had a good point. When he said they are disconnected from the people who are actually watching the grammy's we're actually into music. I'm i don't know if it's a series of personal biases or they're very sean rest pacific but there's an issue here where they are disconnected from the world of up and coming musicians and that is something that should be addressed sooner rather than later especially with you know in these these times when all these awards show the the viewership of these shows dropping significantly but they quickly jumped on the billie eilish train last year and they jumped on the train this year. Nominating her again. I am insinuating. Something i think. Something is fishy. I think something is corrupt. When the doesn't he angered somebody. I dunno. That's interesting tmz. I'm looking at article here. That that blatantly says that because he chose the super bowl eat lost the grammy's Supposed to be aboard is supposed to be collective group of individuals. That shouldn't even care where he's playing yet. But we know from experience over last decade that the grammy's is totally botched some of their actual award shows when it comes to dominate every show. It's weird because like i said why would it be okay for beyond say to do the super bowl and be in the grammy's and the same year because she's done that before i i'm with josh. I think they were trying to have that exclusive performance and they thought they probably had a secured and then the nfl came and asked the weekend if you wanted to perform he said yes and that. Probably a really made a med well. It's certainly not the first time. An award show has passed over a much deserving artists in this case the grammy's passing over the weekend and guys it certainly will not be the last. What are your thoughts out there on the weekend. Getting passed over on the grammy nominations. We want to hear your thoughts are us angry or mad as social media and even us the pop culture cosmos that appreciates the music and realizes that the weekend is really truly something special this year in two thousand twenty shares. Her thoughts up culture cosmos at yahoo dot com. Coming up next. We've got knowing and find from queen. He's gonna be dropping some knowledge on anna maniacs season. One that's coming up right. After the break this is the pieces. Email tumors coming sued zero cool films. Presents action figure venture super collector. Jay bartlett hits the road once again in search of action figures most iconic and noteworthy end rare figures all in the name of creating the most ultimate action figure auction ever. He fronts the cash that charity benefits in the end. What will we get. How will you get it and how well do find out. Twenty twenty on pieces seem multi. Two hundred we're back with the show. It's journal glass coming right back at you here. It's the anna maniacs on hulu they have return they have been revived. And we talked about this on a previous episode in anticipation for them to come back but sees one already dropped on hulu and here today to talk about his thoughts because it's getting mixed reaction to the internet and also as well with critics at some of like did some of. It's better so here today to talk about the anna maniacs coming back is a good man indeed you gotta catch what he's doing at honey queen and also the hunt ago casts the guy who saved our butts last week sitting in the big chair. It is none other than no ian fine and no. I'm gonna say this right now to you and your family the best of holiday seasons. I know we're recording. This just before thanksgiving so i wish you safety she happiness and i wish you also an awesome thanksgiving same to you serve as for. Mba is going to be an ongoing debate. This is a revival and about questions very quickly. Eighty percent of me enjoys this revival. Twenty percent is not it is definitely worth a subscription and not only. Are you getting new enemy ex. But also zoos aspersion. You're getting also if you don't like the revival and you're also getting knee piggy the brain series as those tiny toons. It's not a bad deal. The eighty percent. Of any maniacs revival. I should say is what i enjoy is is that they were reanimated by spielberg. So they never want away. They said how they left but for twenty plus years they were just going on and the towel was abandoned and now they're just going back. Spielberg decided animate them in the back and the problem is that they don't know what's happened twenty two years so they have these two part episodes in the. I will the statements in the first episode that there's new. Ceo and wacko jacko die. Go to the tower. The gleaned things up to take tablet which is a tablet computer at the pretty much about catching up what they missed in twenty two years. They weren't on the air which is not bad. It's not a bad on. Because enemies is known for their socks. Still right there. There was worth as four not bringing back the other characters as a twenty percents on nine joined because we don't have reader runs and we don't have buttons and mindy and we don't have the good feathers and again. I know it was great about redrawn. Maniacs it was lee tunes for the nineties mixture of different characters and was also grave. They were little extra time. They would do these little segments. Like we'll morality or they would have. Mr school had good idea bad idea but unfortunately the twenty percent again. That doesn't like this the bring back thom Who is the original creator as was producer of the series. The writing is expect. I don't mind it so much because it's still feels like also animated accent away where the cast still for both the teen crowd and the college adult level crowd the way that you were animated x. Turned out the biggest originally was kids show but the writing became so sarcastic that it became for the older crap. that's why all squad New school still hold up. That's that was all point. Sob we freakazoids as well and spielberg of course as executive producer was okay with this problem. Is that when you just have yucca. Wacko on dot and picking the brain. Which i've thought against they can only carry this pigging out there on series for three years. They could carry their own serious if they wanted to people. Because i come back. I have nothing against picking the brain it. It's also a revile for them as well. They're backing Acme labs still trying to take over the world. Brain is a little angrier that he was last time we saw him because in one thousand nine hundred ninety he wanted to take over the world that make it for better place he sees me back about wanting complete and total domination and picky is still pinky. He's still with the company accent and he still playing off. A brain is still has his heart of windows have so much safe stupidity but he's got. He's pinky they also brought it a couple new characters but the biggest con is well. I feel as mation because it's cleaned up. Internet flash animation. The way that i feel and for the squash and stretch of characters and for their expressive nece in work better with handwriting nation. That's why i really enjoy growing up watching when you try to do with this type of animation. It's really freaky doesn't bother me. But there's an episode where you have the wanna brothers and sisters going up against pennywise the clown and it's from the two thousand seventeen nineteen versions of it and wacko tries to imitate. The problem is when it's done up close. It may freak out any kid under seven. There's another moment. were picking the brenner. Also they're they're heavy needs now. Alas there's also new characters run into that that has breakdown on the brains mind control and it's really disturbing with this type of animation. One of the thing to spoil as well as what happened. All the other characteristics been discussed. There's an episode where it was supposedly killed off with the exception of chicken boo and turns out the chicken booths upset. He's not back for the revival so he is killed off all the characters is gonna kill wackily akl done and picking the it turns out that at the end of the episode of the characters are alive. They're non speaking roles in the chase off. chicken boat. fans were confused. They finally got some behind the scenes. That tom ruger's upset that he could not come back. That one lebron's going another direction that the new creators like the all characters. It's confused ended inspiring fans. I think that's why it's getting so many mixed reviews. I have nothing again to be repetitious. Have nothing against these five years. It's only so much they can carry a variety show. Peaking the brain have their own show again. I wouldn't complain. I just feel that. Unfortunately they do their seven two of them in stick in five minutes left and the just like continue to beat a dead horse but is this series. Rewatch able yes. Is there going to be a second season. Yeah and what. I prefer a couple more for the series for this revival. Yeah i would say maybe another two or three but the really has to be a lot of changes. And i think the biggest one will be the animation and bringing back that all. I understand why some can't come back bringing back. Some of the negative variety get songs Are awesome. they have a rap battle. And it's not like the nineteen ninety s rack. This is like a twenty four century rap battle that you have one lebron's going against a jc type of character and this and they play it almost like a mile. And i was afraid. They're going to regurgitate on an older episode. Where they battled william shatner karaoke fight but no one has nothing to do with the other. They're not regurgitating on the first season. there's still breaking the fourth wall. Stole talked about the first season now and then but they are trying to move forward. And i appreciate that aspect. It's still i mean back then. And now i've always found the be. A rate never laughed out loud. So much deals this one. But it's enjoyable. And i feel that because enjoyable for me again. I said what i in the beginning of say. Now it's subscription. it's worth your time. It's for the rewatch ability. The rest is really gonna be. Unfortunately if you're really having a soldier classes within the soldier goggles. I think that's what it's gonna throw off your opinion on this and that's going to be a giant issue because again is still a kids cartoon with surprisingly humor. That's gone over a little kids head that that's that's your decision. How you feel about the data now but we'll find out more about how successful it won't for hulu in the coming weeks months disney'll probably let that slip out and then we'll see if it gets renewal although i'm sure if even spielberg's behind it you're not gonna go ahead unless it's a total flop and not guarantee at least another season of anna maniacs. Think a lot of people are looking forward to catching this. I know the the critics are out there. That's been kind of on the fence about it. But it's good to hear some good positive words again from you know in regards to this and i just truly appreciate you taking the time to speak today about the first season animated and again my friend i wish you and everyone out there all the best as far as it's concerned but before he had out. Please give us a shot on exactly what you're doing and what you're saying and what you're talking about at honey queen on facebook right now. Just sharing a lot of podcasts. I'm doing some logs there. Podcast should be coming out of retirement. See no they know you talked about the undertaker while ago. So you never say never our session be back in january with my stuff until then i'm just doing on of guests in a lot of teak so on facebook hundred wayne posted. Insuring your stuff as well as some of the things and again thank you for araya wannabe rant. About probably one of the most underrated spielberg cartoon suffer. And we truly thank you for everything that you've done for us right here at the pop culture gospels. If you need your video game vix be sure to check out. Retro city games. Located townsquare. 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I imagine we're going to have another five years of pop culture to talk about so. Thank you to everybody who has been with us on this journey. So far we haven't quite reached more door yet so look forward to another You know several episodes of pop culture cosmos before we get there. I see you guys trying to go ahead and prevent me from trying to put on that ring and try to disappear just before i give you guys the ultimate fake out and throw it into mount doom and all that because power goes to your head real easy so does not what the fellowship is for. You know we're here to keep you in line but then again you know froze the big hero. I don't get that. Frodo is yet the hero for going ninety nine percent of the way but then sam is should be the one. That's yeah. oh yeah yes sam all the way. Yeah sam all the way indeed but um yeah. Yeah but but my friend has been great having you aboard. We cannot thank you enough for being a part of two hundred episodes of the pc multi. 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It you over to vent bright go be part of all the fun and if you wanna be a podcasters are upon kassar. Just podcast general. Please be a part of our show in deposit knighted starting on the twenty ninth and running to december third on my friend. I appreciate it. You wanna go ahead sign off right now or yeah. That's i'm i'm taking off. Thanks guys. I appreciate it. It's always fun to have these special episodes where there's more than just two people know looking forward to sunday. I wanted to say a personal. Thank you i know. Mark has got something to say. But i wanted to send a personal. Thank you my friend for sticking with me all these years and a truly appreciate everything that you've done for pop culture cosmos and and everything that we've brought together since we started rob mccallum shout out to him director nintendo quest and so many other great things out there action figure adventure and box art docu series for him suggesting we do this show on twice a week basis so i appreciate you sticking with me all these years. My friend and i wish you continued success. Thank you yet. Lazar field of dreams will maintain it barcus last lots on before. I just wanted to say thank you to josh. Both you guys have put in the hard work that has allowed me to show up on fridays and be co host here for the last few months and so i i really appreciate everything you guys have done in hundreds of a very special thing. We'll get to four hundred and have another one though. That's a lot of editing okay. We'll do it all right. Sounds good all right so you guys take care of my friend all the best this weekend my friend. We've still got more to talk about today's program the cruise to believe it or not. They dropped wednesday their movie out theaters. Which again as you know in the middle of a pandemic. That's kind of like a problem. Dizzy soul had the spot and decided to move out of it and then actually going to be appearing on christmas straight to disney plus at no extra charge. And i think that's a smart move is i'm really looking forward to seeing soul on disney plus but the cruise to dropped this past week to theaters. Do you think that was a good move. I mean this is. I don't know if anybody was really excited ford rallying but he was really expecting it but it is the sequel to a fairly hit movie. The first time around do you think it was in their best interest of dropped at theaters in the middle of a pandemic. You know we've been talking about this for two months. I don't think it was a great idea. I'm not sure why and it might just come down to obligations right. We had to give you something. Here's the kurds to it. Had some good domestic success. I think if i remember correctly the crews had hundred eighty four domestically for over three hundred four hundred million dollars total at the box office worldwide. So it was a financial success. That's obviously why they're doing number two but to drop at now just seems like they're throwing that out there to fail. It really does. But i think the cast might help them here. You know it's nick cage coming back in a stone ryan reynolds got peter dean college this time around. That's a lot of money. You're dropping out voice talent. That's a lot of money you're dropping voice talent but apparently the budget for this one was sixty five million so i mean they cut it down slightly compared to last one. We'll see how that turns out and animation. You think would have been just as expensive but you know maybe with technology. We're coming around here. This is going to be an interesting turnaround here for this movie. We're going to be looking at. I think it's christmas day. Is there video on demand. Release date but that's when everybody else is dropping their as to wonder woman's dropping their the thirtieth monster hundreds going to theaters. Which again i. It just boggles my mind. As i stated before on a previous pop culture cosmos. But that's the movie that doesn't have the highest expectations in the world but the crews to doesn't either but it still has some decent expectations and to not drop now this week simultaneously. I don't mind you dropping on the theaters right now. I don't think that's a bad as long as you're dropping dane date video on demand to delay it normal movie release at this point in time is damaging because people will forget about the cruise to even a month later even christmas. Because you've got so many other options that are viable plus everybody gathering around the christmas drinks nature. They're only commit to a couple of things might be just soul. That'd be on dizzy. Plus it might be just wonder woman that's going to be on hbo. Max i mean those are the things that people are going to commit to more than just going ahead and dishing out to fifteen dollars for the crews to i. I just don't think it was a smart move. On their part they might have taken some stock and looked at. Who else is coming out on on christmas day. You know the kurds to is going to be is really aimed at that younger crowd. The families might not be able to watch wonder woman with their small children right so this might have been a very calculated. Move by him. I don't think it was. But i'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt here. Gerald it just feels like the move to digital this one and into being a failure. Well let me ask you this because the crews to i think is that a universal release if i'm not mistaken. It's universal dreamworks. Did the animation on it. So i want to ask you. This wideness disco straight to baby peacock. I mean we go back to peacock again to give them some love on today's episode. It's not hbo max's time around. It's not netflix. This time around. It's not disney. Plus who if it's a universal property onto to eka peacock don't want to been a big boost for peacock to come out this week. I agree with you and this is a failed business. Plan is what it is You know you hate to see that and it sounds like you know. They've had this script ready to go for a little bit and they finally were able to make it happen. And i'm with you. This feels like a failure. It should have been on peacock as well as soon as they hit. The theaters should have been on peacock. Boom you're making money on both ends. You really don't have to worry about. How big of a flop. It's going to be at the theaters. Which is gonna impact its numbers by the time of his the streaming services. Because there's almost always a disconnect whether or not it comes out few weeks later we'll just forget about it or people to say. Oh yeah. I'll catch like tenet ten coming out months months later after. Its the outright release where it's been trying to bleed every single penny can't and it's only been able to garner three hundred fifty million dollars worldwide when you and i both talked about previously and and josh and i talked about previously about it could've garnered in a regular normal environment up two billion dollars because of the way people would have been fascinated by it and it's only three fifty but coming out months later to video-on-demand seemingly is going to say you know what people might watch it. I know i'm gonna watch video demand. But i don't think it's going to have as big a interest because people have forgotten about ten and no matter all the publicity you're going to do in the world all motion world may not have that type of reach. You would have had had done a day and date. I think it really would have done very well. Back in the day had gone day and date video on demand and theatrical. I think that would have been in their best interest if they were going to go ahead and have to do that instead of delaying it and same thing goes for the crews to. That's a shame man. It's just a shame because this is a high profile. Cast and many people even know ryan reynolds is actually a part of the cruise to. It's not even advertise. I would bro that out there. Emma stone ryan reynolds. These are two major movie stars that you should be pushing out there to go ahead and help sell this film. That's another mistake on their part. I mean you've got catherine keener killing. Marie trans also part of this movie. You should be pushing these names out there leslie man. These are all movie stars that you should be pushing out there. As far as not just flashy their names on the screen for like one second on the commercial. I get mad. I just think this is something where it had so much more potential if it had been delayed to next year perhaps when people might be more apt to go to the theaters once vaccines are around in a little. Bit more prevalent or just going ahead. Dan date and promoting the heck out of who starring in it is. It just seems to me very disappointing. That universal kind of blew it when it comes to the cruise to a new age. So you tell us if a new age is going to work for the cruise. But i certainly don't think so. And i don't think marcus does as well. We want to hear your thoughts on the cruise. A new age shares her thoughts. If you're interested in seeing it now on demand or not at all we want to hear your thoughts pop. Culture cosmos at yahoo dot com. We'll my friend. It's been a great episode. I cannot thank you enough and also josh peterson. Enough for being part of it and also give a big shout out to knowing and find and everyone out there who has supporters over the years. We cannot thank you for listening and for watching has been truly a sensational ride for two hundred episodes. The multi of before we hit on my friend. It is the undertaker. And i wanna talk to you about this because you and i have an affinity for pro wrestling you. We've talked vast about eighty w and the wb undertaker at survivor series. This past weekend. They had this big old ceremony and all these dignitaries from pro wrestling background there to congratulate him on his success and he said in his undertaker deadpan draw per se that he normally has that. He's done he's finished. He's putting the boots up. So i want to hear your thoughts. My friend on this because mark calloway has been someone dead. I watched even before hand when he goes back to world class team racing his time as mean mark. Wcw and even going back to memphis wrestling. So what are your thoughts on mean mark calloway and his involvement into the undertaker. But obviously the big question and this is always the big question when it comes to sports entertainment aka per wrestling. Is he going to stay retired. That remains to be seen. But how do you walk away from this profitable of a character. I'm sure he'll be featured maybe not matches but he'll be a entertainment figure moving forward. If you look back on his accomplishments he had that twenty one win. Streak going at wrestlemania there for a while telling you you're going to win twenty straight. Let's get to put that in perspective. That's his gimmick was so over. Credit goes to vincent man and the folks that originally created the undertaker character and he took the character and ran with it just like stone. Cold steve austin and many other people if they were given this gimmick would have failed miserably or just would have been something we would have laughed about a longtime got member that dude that they had that was like the undertaker guy does funny bar sister. Written piece yeah. The undertaker has taken that and evolved his character when he did the american bad ass and ended. He evolved back into once again. The dead man. That's a credit to him and he's done a great job with it obviously again. Vince mcmahon. Everybody deb debbie for helping him goal on that side and twenty one. St victories that's attributed to his success. Is character getting over again. It comes down to progressing an end. The fact is yes. He did announce his retirement. He did have that ceremony but it was in the middle of a pandemic where there's no crowd. It's no live audience when it comes to pro wrestling as you've seen over the course of many many years and i'll start off with terry funk and i'll probably end terrifying. Nobody's really retired. I think he has one more match in front of a live audience at a wrestlemainia in front of a live stadium crowd. And i don't think this past weekend was going to be the final time. We see undertaker in any way shape or form. He's had a very successful career. I'm with you. i don't think he's done his half brother. By storyline kane retired back in two thousand eighteen. We'll have to see gain. Maybe shows up to his comeback for matches. So don't give me that. I mean he's a mayor and he still comes back for matches so don't get crazy part. I've watched pro wrestling too long. Maybe not twenty twenty one twenty twenty two twenty three. I would say there is going to be a final match in front of a live audience at a wrestlemainia. During that time. That's my money. I'm sticking to it i've seen too many people in this industry say they're retired and they always come back a thousand percent and just i want to take a second acknowledge you really did point out that they kind of had everybody there. They pulled out all the stops for his retirement yet. Rick layer you had god. I can't even name everybody anymore. Ric flair has retired remember. Shawn michaels retired him. At a wrestlemania. Any came to impact wrestling and independence. Don't yet yeah. Yeah all right. Let's just call it. He's coming back. That's it and i'll be all what air thoughts out there on the undertaker retiring quote unquote this past weekend at survivor series. Do you actually think it's a done deal dead man you actually think. He's finally saying to his wrestling career. Rest in peace sherzer thoughts pop culture cosmos at yahoo dot com. Well my friend has been a great episode. cannot thank you. Enough can think. 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