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News Roundup: 09/10/19

PPRO Podcast

20:05 min | 1 year ago

News Roundup: 09/10/19

"Hello I'm Nilekani and this is the people podcasts. Every other week I sit down with James Booth to discuss the latest innovations investments and acquisitions that have taken place over the last week's alright well James thanks for joining us time it looks like a very cool initiative yes called Google spot and it seems to be primarily for Indian merchants and it's basically a way of getting the merchants way of creating their own brand at checkout experience with Google pay and beyond being a branded immersion checkout page it also serves as John which will essentially allow you to do everything yeah I mean it seems it seems India seems to be the playground for Google they're always launching new products there aboard so if you are getting food delivered to you the next day you could be delivering the food yourself it seems yeah I mean it's it's it's kind of a third their main hub in Asia kind of combating alley pay and we chat pay in China so google has this payment APP at the moment mega apps being launched in Europe finishing it'll save so much space on our on our iphone or android home screens okay so the appeal is basically you don't have to have the aiman APP and India Google has been making a really aggressive push in India particularly towards their e Wallis there which they see could be enough to rule them all I mean I don't think they would ever be one up and it would entrust google to be that up but at least there's a western player making that full stack serve as you've got the merchant checker aren't you've got marketing within their you've got Oversee GIG economy type integrations within their race towards December being a little bit healthier does a very positive attitude always positive all right so this week let's kick off with Google together and and if you can have two or three APPs that can do everything in my opinion that would be great and even if they were integrated into other services even if the APP was just national players that are jumping boards this marketplace initiative of there so I think it's got significant legs I mean I'd I'd love to see this type of product being launched in the Western I mean I don't think it's going to change the game overnight I I mean I didn't see Ya don't see them taking up a huge market share I mean I think it's just directionally it's very good it's I mean China already has a very crowded domestic markets but it is a very domestic market I mean there's no foreign the APPs is just the one happened then they have like the Minneapolis inside of it is that right this is how we chat pay works I believe right yeah it's it's it's really just the the is there and I think the fact that they're slowly opening the doors to one or two Non Chinese financial institutions is a good sign the firm that operates under the go pay brand so obviously it's an undisclosed acquisition sedona actually homage they paid to get into the market for step two combining all of these services because I think all of our e commerce services and APPs are so fragmented the moment we need something to start bringing them closer comfortable with cross-border flows they'd start opening the gate to more players non saying that there's a big political swig naked happen so who knows what will happen if he has time but yeah I mean it looks like it looks like there's already quite a few B two uses Clap Gubbio make my trip red bus each dot foot and ovens consumers using the go pay brand in China will be allowed to make cross-border e-commerce purchases through pay pal now story or radio on board on the early access program and it seems Google's introducing jobs bots so I think there's quite a few players that and but it's interesting that there's another wisdom play entering the the the Chinese markets I think the lawsuit that ended was American Express about a year ago almost how will that work from a technical setup do you think co pay is effectively a PS p within China Obviously they've got a wallet for cross-border flows I don't see them yeah I don't see them winning local Markelle chair especially against alipay and we have had and you didn't pay a new payment service that uses both QR codes and NFC said another another Qr Code initiative I think we we the moment so for a little bit lower energy than usual he asked us the reason why exactly it's the beginning of winter adr they get sick in the beginning of one set so he can we can pity apps all right and let's turn our attention to the east where pay pal has been making some news in China Pay Paul acquired a seventy percent stake I mean it just opens up traded opens up possibilities and for me it's just bitter direction he in that five ten years time it could be a completely different landscape and access to pay consumers so that obviously win paypal wallet holders wish trouble into China they really have ed all papal has been interested in seemingly the rest of the world outside of China but how does actually change the game in China Qr Code Payments Sorry the platform to allow merchants to receive funds instantly with no commission charges to pay cody has been developed by Mexico's Central Bank we've only seen it in South East Asia China Novice he is hoping to India and it would be great to see one of these all in one marketplace is to layer and you still lying services underneath that would solve a lot of the fragmentation of the markets and a lot of the hassle of having to to dominate twenty Oh papa trend I can see seemingly so so walk us through this decision that Mexico has with QR codes yeah so a Mexican based business coober digital testing out new features it's it's definitely the latest battleground amongst most of the Fintech out there and this seems that this is Google I take it Open China and and obviously American Express and paypal or was he too the biggest names international equalness so I would expect as China gets more so it's good to see more more players actually more kind of friendly competition between the way in the east in this regard so pale try to pay pal has not really tapped into for means to pay for prepay for I don't know hotels prepay for travel prepay for a retail goods excetera and they can now use the paypal wallet that for cross-border transactions as crossborder trade increases they'll be an increasing need for more international payments firms to sit ah one of their their versions of Super App pretty cool I call my for them to launch it in Europe or the states will somewhere else so we get our house in bed provoker linked launching a cure code initiative or for example in Europe the see ya through Sepah Magin CEPA had a Qr code standard within the EU now imagine you how to cure heard layer attached to that so now you could integrate those into any point of sale that you like and essentially that's what they've done in Mexico's but primarily their their payment gateway of sorts so for paper aisle it's ready giving on of the local Chinese merchant keen instant payments easily accessible for everybody and that's the cool thing about it because it's led by all the national banks so open to everyone took purchasers goes rather than having to use traditional cadre all right well that's enough with go pay let's check out Mexico now because they have it launch NFC and cure it's going to be interesting to see if consumers good down the contact list NFC roots or just go straight to an e wallet APP in their preferred Skanky so step is pretty much completely standardized framework for payments for interbank payments for direct debit consumer to business payments etc so if Cobra digital national mobile payments platform abbreviated to cody I was developed by Mexico's Central Bank Banco de Mexico and all members of countries the same way that everybody has access to CEPA in the e U or foster payments in the UK it should be a national standard I just think it's nice that more players in that market and we're able to see more revenue like we'll we'll see different products different opportunities pop up in that market so national mobile payments platform that's that's a mouthful has announced it's now live across the country named consumers to make NFC an cure payments aren't again and yeah I think I'd love to see this trend continue another markets cody is also a instant transfers to write says because it says ended is cure code so it's going to be nice to see where they are in a few years time whether they can also create a senator is cure code format so that a crazy idea that they could create a worldwide common currency with a lot of very high no shiny investors high don in Latin America I think the America is always a little bit behind when it comes to some of this new technology I mean we're already seeing in Europe there's commission payments are due in funds are transferred instantly from one big council another it's not only a standard for using SEO QR codes but it's also a way of me I think this could power a lot of their the local e wallets within Mexico. I'm it's going to be interesting to see how this affects car payments of is he I'd be interested to know what the the fees off or merchants and financial institutions but it's it's great that it's completely open everybody should have access to it interbank electronic payments system with more than three thousand customer accounts are quiet offer the system to the consumers it's actually a a national initiative I investors like Visa Mastercard and stripe as well as pay pal yeah I mean to summarize it labors effectively that's that is enabled this cure could and NFC payment which was pretty cool seeing it on a national level it's it's the equivalent of this in the UK the foster payments so you don't pay pal and American Express will be the last ones into China oh no no no I think there'll be more I mean and especially because I mean the main reason that they're in there is of his he born to a buzzy topic which is cryptocurrency obviously as you know there's there's there's been quite a lot of movement recently with libra yeah facebook and I think more countries should be launching these types of initiatives as national standards I mean I think I think my last point on this is this is just for the because I I guess what they're trying to test I would hope that good on the Q.. Occurred route get rid of all the plastic our wallets but it's one to keep visa and mastercard of slow down there yeah out there let's say excitement towards libra I think they've slowly backed off Said Ace books seem to to do it no justice because slowly confidence chipped away I think a lot of the negative press around facebook and they're they're wanting to cross country and Cross Wallet Cure Codes initiatives popping up and obviously the Mexico's one of the first in the US just launch secon- economy that's just for Mexico it's GonNa be great to see if this influences any initiatives north of the border up up in the US or Canada or even I think building new different products helps us taken the right step forward I'm not saying that this type of product is right where the bed amongst the big players that rarely have reputational risk at stake and do you think this is mostly an example of toxic brand bringing down a product seemed like with all of the backers that they really did have a decent chance and get in this up in writing however as time went by the the brand so I mean I mean fundamentally I think products like this are good I mean I wouldn't say I may crypto currency evangelists but uh network of twenty or thirty or so participants who would be be a piggybacking off the Lebron Network crating let's say e Wallet App he called Feats didn't pitch up to the meeting and now they've decided to to back counts of the Association so I think they're gonNA start losing a lot of support especially work on a cross-border basis but I think that's thinking a few years ahead are just like to see this get up and running and being being used does sound like a not a pipedream but certainly if it was paypal or for Twas Visa MasterCard or if it was another fantastic that's has had so much bad news recently when it comes to libra in particular I do think Hof of their don for is the fact that they're associated with facebook I think if it was control the world and not wanting to control their uses financial world I think it was a bit too much for some of the participants I mean re- recently Sir any meetings that we should keep an eye on for libra not that I'm aware of I think this The past week with with paper dropping outer auditor for cure could trend three four five weeks ago something like that we've we've raised the topic almost on every single PUTT 'cause it's an is that access the network

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Steven Goldstein | How the Most Powerful People from Washington to Wall Street to Hollywood Make Us Like Them

The Unmistakable Creative Podcast

1:23:23 hr | 2 months ago

Steven Goldstein | How the Most Powerful People from Washington to Wall Street to Hollywood Make Us Like Them

"So i went from a friday my last day working for the us. Congress was on a friday on sunday. It wasn't even monday. Two days later i was in. I was in indiana oprah's arm as her new producer. That was wayne. A switch left braid right break. I don't know many people who go from a friday to a sunday from a lawyer for the us. Congress to produce on the oprah winfrey show to me. It was a matter of finding people who are likable. So justice thousand people who were likable working for chuck with bryce took notice of who were were likable. Witnesses it turned out to be the same categories of likeability the same traits a whittled them down to eight traits over the years with different sub traits and as early as then nineteen ninety four. I said you know this'll be a good book someday. And lo and behold from nineteen ninety four to last year. I had thought of writing a book so the book really was in the works for twenty five years. I'm srini route. And this is the unmistakable creative podcast where you get a window into the stories and insights of the most innovative and creative minds of started movements built driving businesses boo written bestselling books and created insanely interesting for more check out our five hundred episode archive unmistakable creative dot com steven. Welcome to the unmistakable credit. Thanks so much for taking the time to join us and tastic to be here sweetie. I am so thrilled to have you here. As i was saying before we hit record i found your book. The turn on how the powerful may cause like them from washington to wall street to hollywood thought to myself. This is a book that's far more than just about likability. It's about the psychology of billion audience for anything. Whether it's you wanna be a blogger. Podcast whatever it is so i thought this is relevant to creative work but before we get into all that Given your background. I want to start by asking what i think is a very relevant question one of my favorites and that is what social group where you're part of in high school and what impacted that end up having on the choices that you've made with your life and your while sweeney. I was deeply unpopular guy who was elected student body president. And let me explain the paradox. There I have been political my whole life since i was eight six I'm not fifty eight years old. I was born in nineteen sixty two and at age six play hooky from school campaign for hubert humphrey and my mother found me at the nineteen sixty eight hubert humphrey for president democratic headquarters in queens new york where i grew up. She got a call from the principal. That i wasn't school. She knew exactly where to find me there. I was a six year old little one licking envelopes hubert humphrey. I do not come from a political family whatsoever. I think it's a flip of a coin weather. My mom would know who the vice president of the united states was today and she may not be missing much exactly exactly and absolutely nothing and so. This apple fell very far from the tree. And so i was swannee little kid. I got beaten up every single day. Because i was gay but remember students other students other kids accepting me when i won my school spelling bee where i had other different achievements in sort of being the brilliant nerdy. Little kid was my way to gaining popularity. Kids didn't resent me for it. I confess they. They admired me for it. And by the time i got to high school. It was preposterous. That was running for student body president. Because i was running against the star basketball player and who was i an obviously gay guy. I was not open. But you'd have to be really really not the smartest person in the world to intuit that i was gay. So who was i to run against the capitalist wealthy that that actually i ran for secretary of my student government against him i won by three votes by i one by calling every student at his or her home and visiting every home and talking to the students parents as to why would make their child's life better and why the parents you tell her kids to vote for me. I won by three votes and then when it was time to run for president student body i ran unopposed. That doesn't mean as popular. But while was i respected and i will tell you it shaped me as an activist as a cue activists Most people would not be in two ways. Really warm friendly and informal guy Brutal as tough as nails as you can get in fighting for quality take-no-prisoners aware anybody down. Anything goes when you go low. I'll go lower if my cloudy stay. Any other communities is stink. I'm i'm a fighter. I i love michelle obama if you're going low. I'm from new jersey. I'm going jersey on you and really. That's that's who i am. And you you know staying in the stratosphere in elegantly not punching back as hard it's not a privilege all of us have if we come from a press community and so that's who i am and that's driven me my whole life. I'm not mother. Theresa live my life for social justice sometimes a little bit over the top But it is the essence with way. Okay so many questions. Just from that alone. I want to talk first. You about being gay and coming out. And i've asked a handful of people on our show who have been gay. What's that experience like. When you have to tell you. Know your family members What does that first conversation with apparent like because you know as a straight person. Obviously that's really just you know so far to reality and particularly at my culture right. Abc indian people. You just don't hear about a lot of gained ian people. Even though they exist at i. I still think he was hilarious. Russell peters like we could use some gay people. in india. We have a population control. I know gay indian people. Because i've dated most of them in new york. Let me say this. There's a heck of a lot of similarities between visiting in indian family at a jewish family cross examination extremely blonde. What your intentions. Will you go to school. You have good parents. I swear to you. It's it's the same thing so i got a. I got a real kick. listen. I'm going to get personal for a moment. I may might coming out. Story was little different from most people. And i had. I wouldn't call it a burden but had a big challenge to deal with mike. Parents have two kids me and my brother. My brother has profound autism. I hate to measure anybody with cuba. His cue is thirty five so he's not rainman. Remember with rainman with dustin hoffman. a high functioning autistic person. He's profoundly disabled. And until i came out at age twenty seven which seems so old today. I'm fifty eight. I lived my life with a guilty burden that once i came out by parents would have two children from society's norm and that i would devastate him. The fact of the matter is i was writing. My relationship with my parents was never the same after my dad died in twenty fourteen ban me from his funeral because i'm gay and my mom's struggle with it's still you're talking about your stereotypical lefty social justice jewish democrats from new york city. You're not talking about some people who are born again from a rate stay It's just that it was a lot for them to handle And if did take a lot of bravery. I've been involved in civil rights. My whole ac my whole life coming out to them. Under these circumstances in nineteen ninety was the bravest thing i ever did oval ever do So it's very hard. And i am a person of faith. I'm a lefty guy who's now in rabbinical school at age fifty eight. Am i if. I have dreams that i've had lost in my life. I tend to pursue them on and let nothing. Hold me back. i wanted to be a rabbi. Since i was a seven on a very lefty rabbi. Who does not believe that the bible is the word of god meant to be interpreted their early. who sees. It's it's sexism homophobia racism all that stuff I'm a person of faith. And i wrote a letter to my parents coming out in one thousand. Nine hundred ninety. I emailed it to them. I'm rather i'm sorry. We need to have emailed. I federal express to to them. I went to synagogue the next day and i prayed for them to have strength. Not for me to have strings and it wasn't easy and it was every bit as bad as i thought it would be. Trust me it. They took it hard and they never took it better. My mother's taking it a little better but now it's not that it was a movie where was all embracing now. I can't tell you that for me screening. I have held onto anger that still have toward them and converted it into becoming a gay rights activist. And i've often said that the best revenge for trump of life is to create a new world so others don't suffer what we did so i have tended not to follow the cliche of forgiven. Forget i don't want anything to consume. Made i mean i'm a self actualized guy who lives my own wife who doesn't dote on my parents reaction but i have been able to convert the anger into progress for society for lgbtq people and other oppressed peoples. Battles i have fought and bizarrely. I'm not sure if i would have been as successful in those battles. If i didn't live a hard life of rejection by my parents now so can i ask you as a straight person What do you think people like me misunderstand about what it means to be gay and and let me give you some context of potentially embarrassing and incriminating story i. I went to berkeley which is about as liberal colleges. You could go to. And i went there with this idea that i was this incredibly open minded. You know incredibly tolerant person that could get along with anybody at. I remember for the first three four five weeks of school. I was becoming very close friends with somebody you know go. You know i wouldn't be bothered If a a close friend told me that he was gay right and you know and then he came out again. He told me and it was. It was so strange. Because like i wasn't able to continue in friendship and i i look at that as a moment of wow. That's not something. I'm proud of but it also made me aware of the fact that while i'm not as torn because i thought i was like am granted i like i mentioned. You have talked to plenty of gay people here on the show. And that's why i'm trying to understand like what do you think somebody like me in particularly in a moment like that misunderstood about somebody like you. The question is complicated. Because as a very big generational divide. I don't know how ask how old you are. I'm fifty eight. I don. I am forty two okay. So you're sort of on the cusp. By the way. If i had your beautiful speaking voice do you know how much psychotherapy i could have avoided in my life at this point thing. I do this show. It's my psychotherapy. My this beautiful. Melissa was voice and is sound like the gay jewish taco bell. Dog so like rottweiler. Who i've tried. I should say sweeney. I've tried if we have a chance. I'll tell you the story when i tried to change my voice to the on air at. It's quite a funny story. Here's the it's very different understanding. Lgbtq people my age than people who are young lgbtq people people my age. Many of us are damaged and when i say damaged. I don't mean damage because we're gay lesbian gay bisexual etcetera gender. We're damaged because we have gone through health rejection from society and from our families that largely listed it exists today it exists today in redder states in the country. I'm not saying that while it's perfect. But it's nowhere of the magnitude from where i grew up and ice i have been in talk psychotherapy age and and i'm damaged from being gay. Not because i am gay. But i'm damaged from society's reaction to me from when i was growing up and my parents reaction to me. It was horrible. I felt like i had no home. Like i was homeless and i had to learn to become a self actualized person and had to learn to become not angry. I could have been very angry person. I get angry in political battles deeply angry. you'll feel my wrath and fury but in every day life. I can't live like that. And so i can only speak sweeney on behalf of my cohorts. Lgbt to baby boomers. We're fucked up. 'cause society made us stopped up. Not because being gay is fucked up. It's the most beautiful thing. And i have great pride it. But i can't tell you how how damaged we are from society's oppression rejection for us thank you. That was really profound. So let's go back to this. Whole idea of popularity in high school in particular is funny mitch. Bernstein just wrote a book called popular. Which is all about you. Know what makes people popular. And it's funny. Because i have your book and his and both of these are basically my research for this post writing about the psychology of audience building. I wasn't popular in high school. But it what. I wonder if you particularly because i've been writing about the need for a privileged and how it's so toxic for us and yet it's so prevalent particularly at a place like high school. So i guess the question that comes from that as somebody who was the student body president of a high school who beat out an athlete. How do you balance. That need for validation. That i think we all have to some degree with internal self worth. I'm still learning. I told you fifty eight had been in therapy since ours aged ten. I'm still learning in truth. Be told we would. Marriage equality new jersey in two thousand and thirteen. Iran founded the state's gay rights. Gordon stood equality to win marriage. Equality one in two thousand thirteen. I then step down. Because i said listen there will always be. Lgbt causes It's a natural time to step down. We won marriage equality. And i didn't hear the adulation for my own community and from from others who are rooting me on the balance over. It's been tough at nasa a huge admission. I had to. I had to get used to a much lower key life. I think i got involved in politics and activism in. I got involved with public policy as a congressional staffer in part to find new families with common interest. Be able to express myself to achieve good and do good at and i miss it and unfortunately i'm not sure it's healthy to so associate self esteem with once work and that's an honest answer. I'm a work in progress. In that regard. I think we all are. i think. that's a lifelong journey for each and every one of us so let's talk about what actually led to the turn on. Because this is one of those books that i couldn't put down and i thought this is. This is pure gold for anybody. Who's in the public eye and like i was in before he record you address nuances all of which will get into but what actually led to this like. How in the world did you discover this of all the things you could write about. Sweeney it was so interesting that you ask. Because when i told people that i'm writing a book and i told him it was about the likability of human beings particularly those of the public eye. People scratch their heads political animal. Who's worked in tv. Who's worked in politics. So they expected me to write a book about presidency of science. And people said to me what we're where is that coming from stephen while you're writing a book like ability in psychology oriented but we don't get it at all like that seems like a very odd pairing. Here's how my book started. I was a. I went to too much school in my life. I went to a public policy grad school at the kennedy school of harvard. Then i went to law and journalism school at the same time columbia and was trained to do many different things. They've all gone. And when i when i graduated from law journal school columbia decided to go into tv. Lo and behold a couple of years into tv. I found myself being producer. At the oprah winfrey show in chicago. She's about five or six producers reduced basically one full show week Age producer produced about one show and began to notice what made good talk show guests and began to notice which kinds of guests got. Good ratings at home. i'm not the most quantitative guy. But i certainly wanted to develop a system. Listen i was competitive. I wanted my shows to be rated highly for oprah's approval ratings mental last her as they mean to every single person television or radio broadcasting story to take notes on what made guests appealing to the audience as measured by ratings for my feedback such as the war mail. I started writing down traits. If likability traits of guests came up with about twenty five to thirty traits opposite oprah okay. I had done the same thing. When i worked in congress now let me set the stage. It was nine hundred ninety three. I was a staff member for the us house judiciary committee. I was a lawyer working for the to share committee. Drafting legislation the chairman chairman of the committee whom i worked for with chuck schumer now senate democratic leader. Hopefully senate majority leader sue. And when i worked for chuck. I was taking notes on what made witnesses before committee. Effective unlikable thousand ninety three. So i had a list of about thirty traits. Then i believe. I was gonna lose my job when i worked for chuck. I loved being a staffer on the hill. And i love being at committee staffer where you have so much power. But i have a feeling the democrats were going gonna lose the house in nineteen ninety four and if the democrats lost the house i was job of no reflection to me that they just fire a bunch of democrats and indeed newt gingrich. The republican became speaker in nineteen ninety. Four so i jumped before. I was gonna lose my job which i would have and so i went from a friday my last day working for the us congress a friday on sunday. It wasn't even monday. Two days later i was in. I was in indiana on oprah's arm as her new producer. That was quite a switch left. Bright break. I don't know many people who would go from friday to sunday from a lawyer for the us. Congress to produce on the oprah winfrey show one of the oddest job switches ever. But not to me to me. It was a matter of finding people who are likable. so justice. I found people who likable working for chuck. With bryce took notice of who were likable witnesses. It turned out to be the same categories of likeability. The same traits a whittled down to eight traits over the years with different substrates and as early as then nineteen ninety four. I said you know this'll be a good book someday. An low behold from nineteen ninety four to last late last year i had thought of writing a book so the book really was in the works for twenty five years and i kept notes for twenty five years. The book itself was very quick for me to write. It was like three months to write the book. 'cause i basically had twenty five years of thoughts pouring out of my head and so that's how that's how the book happened. Twenty five years in progress will. Let's get into the book. I mean i guess to me. There is so many nuances to this book that you addressed up but let's the very beginning of the book a unit you say that likability grants the likable among a certain degree of cotton influence. People listen to them. They follow their lead. Likable public figures ten. So more tickets garner more votes build better relationships. Their employees likability affects what we do whether we're aware of not aware of it or not and likeability leverage and you also said it isn't just something you have don't it can be manufactured and it can be destroyed and i think the idea that it can be. Manufactured is something that flies in the face of so much conventional wisdom so you play a lot here but let. Let's look at this in the context of something that's relatable to our listeners. Why is it you know from your perspective that somebody manages to build an a wildly popular audience for a book or log or some creative work and other people. Don't because i think that to me. This book was the and had a lot of answers to that very question. Great question part of it is about the person being likable moment that the american people are looking for a certain type of likeability that matches that person or example. America wants a person likeable in the way. Joe biden is likable right now. Joe biden is a person for this moment in politics. Do i believe that. Joe biden would be perceived to be s likeable if he were running against somebody of donald trump. Listen he's very likable. I've worked with him. But i don't think that would be the perception of him. Donald trump has brought his own likability down by being president. Chaos chaos and america is looking for a likable antidote to president chaos. That happens to be donald trump the guts initiative like the bill and almost joe biden is the exception because joe biden. I don't wanna say he's rather generic. But you wouldn't call him in edgy spice guy. Certainly nobody if right might call him edgy spicy guy. Don't mind this. The exception to the rule of likability has evolved in our society Let me tell you the story. Sweeney when i was in journalism school in the late. Nineteen eighties at columbia. I major specialized in television. Journalists at columbia and bluntly my professors and they were not at all prejudice against gay people they with the most Bt people magical. I was not open but they found every euphemistic way to tell me. If you're gonna make it on tv you've gotta sound less gay less jewish less new york. You're never gonna make it even the slightest nineteen eighty eight when i graduated from journalism. School your template for ability was ted. Baxter i don't know i'm probably aging myself as boomer. But ted baxter was the generic anchorman from w j. mtv in the mary. Tyler moore show in the early seventies in more modern terms. If any of you remember will farrow from anchorman. Yeah that was him. Likability was this deep quasi. Butch slightly bubbling person. The voice of authority. Well i'm i was told i would never get on air if i did that. And so i took speaking lessons to sound like that and so for about a year three. I actually spoke like this. The most stilted voice with an accent minimalized and an intonation that was phony and that went down like this like like. Nobody talks like that right. But that's what i was. That's that's what i was told was good as as an inside joke if you listen to my voice mail outgoing message. Still talk like that. Below is the stephen so glad you called and talk like that right. And but that's what people were looking for like has changed with the complete explosion in the number of media outlets we have. We have podcasts. We five hundred cable channels. We have many networks right now to break through you. Sorta needs to be a little different in a little edgy. So now when ever somebody wants to book me a here versus of really gonna be stephen right. Which means you're really gonna come across as allowed gauge. You lefty right like you really you really knocking a high more right. And like as if i ever hit it. But except for this year. That i tried and i deliver. And they're happy that wouldn't have we got a breakthrough when people switching channels. Don't exactly sound like everybody else. Poor country so i'm different. Everybody has to be different now to. It's a good thing. I think now to be different is to be like an listen. Donald trump was different. He was different in two thousand and sixteen. I despise him personally and everything he stands for. But if you're asking me why why understood his appeal into twenty in twenty sixteen. It did but he jumped the shark. People are tired of him and they want to change. The channel and people tend to in elections. They change the channel from one kind of like ability to another when they find the old kind of likability longer so likable. So that is politics is why we go from vast shifts in personality in styles. How do we go from obama. To trump to likely biden. The country hasn't gone right. Left right left ridiculous. People want to change the channel. They want something more likable. It usually means the opposite of what they saw. I've often call people's preferences for likability style very similar to having relationships. I think we're a track. Listen i was in a relationship for twenty three years till two thousand fifteen. I very much seek in opposite of who i was with and it could not be dating people who are more opposite but i think that's america. They want somebody right now. Who's the opposite. I wish i could tell you. That was a rejection of donald. Trump's ideology that i think joe biden's going to win no e personal rejection of donald trump people can't stand. What if you could forget about vacuuming for months at a time and still keep your house clean without lifting a finger. 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Because i think to me people i always say you know. The donald trump is that he knew how to work the media. That was his like playbook which we'll get back to that in just a second so one of the things i wanted to ask you. You know we're talking about likability. And i remember. When michelle obama's book came out in two thousand eighteen. it was november. And i remember. It came out the week before. Thanksgiving my family and i were flying the india and by the time we ended delhi. It was on every damn shelf even in india. And i conversation with my dad. My dad's like oh yeah. Of course it is because she's a former first lady. I said no. It's because she's michelle obama. I don't think hillary would have had that same reception from the public in writing a book. Why is that like what is that. Like factor probably all the factor. Like why does that happen. It has we talked about sweeney. Nobody is perfectly authentic in public life. Michelle obama comes across any indeed a little more offensive. She's a little more vulnerable in full disclosure. I love hillary clinton. I was a delegate for her in two thousand in two thousand sixteen. I'm not somebody who quite understand. Hillary clinton's unpopularity aside from sexism. If you're talking about michelle obama. Hillary clinton michelle obama who yes. I also think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. She has made perfectly clear that running for office and being in elected position in her own right is not for her and that jibes with the internal sexism of many people in this country about having a woman in public office therefore whenever michelle obama does is not seen as having an ulterior motive is seen as authentic. And i think she actually comes across as more than dick because she has no alterior motive according to the what she says in according to the american people and as it alterior motive of wanting to run for office is a bad thing for michelle obama's popular in the same way that hillary clinton was popular when hillary clinton was secretary of state knocked running for office so michelle. Obama has has the advantage that hillary clinton has had but didn't have when she decided to run for office. I think michelle. Obama is incredibly likable. You're you're one hundred percent right as michelle obama pardoned for like abilities for swearing public office. That's so interesting. Because i i still remember. You may have seen it. When she did the interview with kimmel. I think it was her first media appearance during the tour and i never forgot this moment because he introduced her she came out on stage and it took almost two minutes for him to start the interview because he had to wait for the audience to stop applauding and that moment always stayed with me as one of those moments but and and she did. She mentioned that she had no interest in running for office. And i think that's it's a really interesting context that i'd never thought about before. Yeah she also a great sense of humor by the way like and she's she is so quick. Listen i think hillary clinton michelle obama's bryant. Hillary clinton is the most brilliant policy wonk in the world. I have seen hillary clinton funny at moments. You wouldn't put funny. Though among your top three of five adjectives in describing hillary clinton to yourself would you. I don't think you would put. I don't think so now. hysterical actually. Yeah yeah let's do this. Let's get into the in sort of deconstruct. This can you talk about this food chain of likeability and the people behind all of it who you call the trainer the evaluator and the presenter and who are those people what do they do. What are their roles in. You know how can people in their own lives listening to this. Look for the people who can help you know who can be those people for them. Sure their actual media trainers out there at now. You may think that they're trainers just about public speaking and that their trainers just to speak better in the media and many are like that. But there's a lot of scientific research behind the people who train other people to become likeable. Let me take one of them. That i spoke about my book. I worked in. Tv for many years as a producer. And there's a very famous consultant. In television whose work i admired greatly and his name was frank meghan and he actually passed away a number of years ago and frank. Maggie was a sociologist in iowa who began to study. Why on air. Television talent is likable and intern likable. Why their station or program ratings. Go up and frank magazine started to console new stations across the country to tell them how to tweak their newscasts. To tell present news presenters how they could present a little differently. And i never agreed with the criticism of frank. Mangan which was oh. You're just anchor manning. The news making all news presenters seem so. Can you all about style. No maggots point was he actually wanted style to get out of the way from being a nuisance so that people actually listened to the news. I thought his theory was terrific. And so anybody. Who are continuing news as i did. The nineties or televisions. A whole new. Who maggie was. He was called the news doctor and people would hire him in fact. It was frank magazine who came up with a show called the idea for show coke morning america. Or at least if he'd come with it he was one of the people behind it. He thought he thought that america needed a softer more likable competitors. The today show in the nineteen seventies. So he came up with this idea of of a early morning. Show the living room. Said fire's crackling with a nice. Folksy anchorperson like david hartman. In over the years frank magazine would expand his practice is company is called mag. they're based in minneapolis. After so many years being based in iowa where he was a professor and maggots Consulting with politicians and he started he and his company started consulting with With companies in all sorts of organizations. And so. I knew of maggot from tv. And i actually. When i was a political campaign manager brought my candidate there a guy named john course sign. Who is running for us senate and we won that race and i brought him to iowa to get some training for and so there is all this research on really. What kind of outfits should you wear. Are you excited enough on air are you. Are you too boring on air. Do use words that are too big to speak to short. These speak too long. Do you have good interaction with the other. On air talent all of these very nuanced questions and maggot measures likability therein on all sorts of matrices with with both qualitative and quantitative research. And when i first met maggie they were Based in iowa where he had lived worked and taught and it was this big anonymous nine signed building it like it looks like a really mysterious and corporate office park and it is where many famous people have gone to get. Likability trading at the company still exists. It has offices all over. So that i said is the trainer. The evaluator is comes from an industry that gives quantitative numbers of ability to every single person in public life. Well at least many of them. So i profile the company. My book the evaluator And it's called the marketing arm in dallas t. Ma they go by now. But the marketing arm gives likability numbers overall likeability numbers and numbers and different categories to four to five thousand people in public life from all across a they've got all this onto analysis and it's kind of fun to see to compare the likability of celebrities and for many years bill cosby during the eighties and nineties. Had the highest likeability numbers. Obviously that fell through the floor. I'm giving his scandal. A morgan freeman always has highlight ability. Numbers betty white usually highlight ability numbers. Julia will be drivers. The people we think are likable. Have very high likeability numbers and the evaluators actually like like The marketing arm. Tma measure likeability of public figures as often as weekly so you can see the week to week improvement or or decline of somebody's likeability and it's a real science so when you have people training you to become more likable once you're trained you're evaluated and then you have the presenter which is what i did people like me. Press secretary's ends in knockers and speechwriters and others who take a trained and evaluated product and put them before the public eye innocence. Every press secretary from kayleigh mcenany the president's Vomit and others. They will the presenters. They present evaluated and trained problem. While it's funny talking to you about this. I think about our own podcast guests and this. It's always struck me as odd. But i also have used as a very clear filter. It's often the people that nobody has ever heard of. That are our most popular guests. Because they're like we've heard all this other stuff before from all these quote unquote celebrities but when you get somebody who nobody has ever heard of the questions like where the hell do you find these people and it's always well. I'm curious and that's my only criteria for how a choose but purely from your perspective. Why do you think that is. Why is it that people who nobody has ever heard of were not necessarily famous in the public eye resonate so much because we're not estonian. Packaged gets back to earth anticipating again. Listen look look at what. I've revealed frankly in our podcast. So far Talked in depth about being gay and how having a definitely a brother affected that how my parents rejected me. I didn't come up with a beautiful rags-to-riches story. I didn't tell you was all located in beautiful. Less all applauded the field good And public figures people more public than me are afraid. And you know what i'm listen. I'm not. I'm not asking for people to feel badly or celebrities. Do a big price for their celebrity. Listen it sounds ridiculous. Everybody would love to have their money. We would all love to have the problem of being too known in living wealthy. I get it but it is hard and the times in my life. I've more public than others on my ran. An organization called the an center where i was very public. In president. trump's first year went after him brutally foam more than any other grassroots leader. Frank and it wasn't very public then. I found a brutal. I m being public actually brutal so public figures are so cautious much more than those of us behind the scenes are much more and so we make better guests. If you're less cautious like obviously it's not. I don't i don't speak. I'm not speaking team now. With a publicist agent a manager in a room or amount of virtually watching every word i say with bated breath in giving me notes. Now i'm not. It's just me and i'm not i don't have this safety net in my mind of now. What's me whatever i say it's good. It's fine yeah. I i think. That's why book policies hate my guts. Because i make their lives incredibly difficult. Thanks for sending the questions. I'm not gonna ask any of them. Book publicists having written a book. We have a word dish. It's called garnished. Which means not much. Honestly i think that they're so generic can there's the they almost don't read every book in dallas. They have like five different pitches. But yeah i mean well. I know because they send galley ladders like hundreds of them every week. And i'm just like okay. This is not a pitcher. You're not telling you why they would be a guest far show but let let's go into the traits. We're going to do this sort of out of order we're already talking about authenticity. I think you made a really interesting observation about authenticity. You said no public figure has ever or will ever present him or herself to the public with the kind of authenticity that reflects how three hundred and thirty million americans understood the concept except of course children at the early stages of development it structurally impossible for public figures to be authentic in public life. As we understand austin city to be in real life even when public figures want to show us the real versions of themselves they face immovable obstacles. And i think that may have been probably one of my favorite lines from the book because of the fact that you addressed a very very clear nuance about authenticity. That i think people can fuse with being a train wreck Like i said before. I say things to my roommates and two friends on a daily basis that would be a public relations crisis in the making things that are completely inappropriate things that i would never say on air on this show right exactly sweeney. Do you think people wanted jeffrey. Toobin to authentically do what he a serious though right exactly like i remember like i. I admire the guy so much. He's brilliant. he's inciteful actually felt bad for him. Komiya hypocrite. But i suppose if he were a right winger preaching against masturbation. I'd be giggling. I feel bad for him. And i've tried to restrain from pouring on. I don't think that what he did has zero precedent in the history of humanity meaning. I don't think it's the wisest case all of you. Who wondering no. I personally never masturbated to porn. While i'm at work or school meeting. I would highly recommend against it of have to tell you. I would find it hard to believe that. A lot of people who are not to doubt especially in the corn team zoo moral many people masturbate. Because they're bored out of their minds from being on zoom. All day i'm not recommending this but do fail to see his crime and nor do i think it was mentally disturbed and nor do i think he has personal issues. I think people ought to grow the hell up. I think it was completely ill advised because who would want to do that to take the. I wouldn't wanna take the chance of that as please. I wouldn't want to take the risk. But no i think sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and sigmund freud have their limits and no. I don't think he was looking to be found out. Listen the quarantine is driving us all crazy. The guy was bored. Slash horny something. Something unfortunate happened. It's not like he did it on purpose like a flasher but nobody wants that authenticity. That is the ultimate of authentic. If i've heard it he should have been a little fo- authentic. He could be a little less authentic. I'm just suggesting. Hey jeff alone. Less electricity you talk about the authenticity. One of the straits being self disclosure. You said self disclosure rather careful self disclosure to come across as real to the rest of us and you know the place. I learned this lesson. I was from mentor. That i worked with red tears and it was on the tail end of a bad break up and i was or less airing my dirty laundry on facebook basically my audience therapists and i was. I was in a bad place. I was in a lot of pain. I was really depressed and just really heartbroken. And i'm sure he called me up. And we have this lengthy chat you know after. We had hosted an event for like sixty of our listeners. And it's almost like yeah greg but i'm human too and you know what he told me he said yes screening. But you don't get to make that excuse because of the position you've put yourself in. Yes that was tough to hear and you know what he was damaged. He was right on because now you five years later with publishers investors. I realized what he was doing was preparing for higher stakes situations in which those kinds of things could not get in the way of my ability to do what i do because they would be the undoing of my career. Sereni shrew at joan rivers delayed till rivers who love being in the public eye. She said that she was very sick and tired of other celebrities complaining. They have no privacy of gus. I said a more charitable than than she she said. If you're if you're a public figure you lose your privacy. The second you walk out of your doorway to pick up something at the seven eleven and she said you have no expectation. You should have no expectation. It's the price you pay. And if not don't don't act don't be musician like this. This comes with the territory and she said it's why she was. She made sure she was jubal only happy and she said she really was to sign any autograph anybody who stopped her stopped but she knew at the same time as revealing she was about her husband committing suicide. I'm sure it was crafted. I'm sure that meaning not that. She was phony. I'm sure there were things she didn't tell us as a seemingly authentic as she was at nor should she have by being so open about some parts of her life. She managed to maintain the zone of privacy. Listen when i have a theory about spoke about social media at why it's not authentic. I believe that the more people post about their relationships the more trouble their relationships or nothing scientific about that has nothing to do with my book. But i can't tell you how many times i have facebook friends. People actually don't know really well at all and their periods where they're they're so over the top in the love. They express for their partner or spouse and months later that broken up it's a very odd phenomenon so there's a pendulum on a room for fantasy. I'm not saying that it's good to be that in authentic. But you're gave you the right vice. Let's talk about the other traits You're talking about the gateway traits captivation and hope of public figures don't provide captivation and hope. Forget it there's no way like them because you don't even know they exist. And i thought about captivation from the standpoint of my dreer and i i honestly i've always felt there was this one layer on top of everything that i did. That added captivation. It was the fact that i was a surfer because indian people like literally in ten years of surfing. I've seen three in the water here. In the united states and even india and a country a billion people there were only three hundred but beyond that like what is it. The captivates has increased. What you call that factor for certain people look. Here's a captivating as captivation is the ability nas to be boring. Here's what i say. i listen sweeney. i'm not to put you on the spot. I don't know if you're single right now or not. I okay let me say this to you in the audience when you go on a date. Is there anything worse than having nothing to say than dead time arab you but i got out with the most boring. Obnoxious egotistical over over self-indulgent stopped in people right. I would much prefer that somebody boring. Who has nothing to say. That's that's torture out torture. Because with the first kind would the would the overbearing person. I have nothing in common with. Okay it's it's not torture for me and i it's not torture for most. It's not because after after you have a date with such person you immediately call up your best friends of my god. You can't believe the state. I just had a little better than saying. I just spent forty five minutes with the most boring person in my life. Captivating captivation means you have precisely fifteen seconds to hold somebody else's interest and all of us. I think we go on dates. And i in my book i talk about how we fall in. Light is how we fall in love. Meaning how we like with public figures is sort of how we fall in love with somebody at a date. Don't you know right away if you're clicking. If there's chemistry how let me ask you. How long does it take for you to say to yourself. There's chemistry here a minute. I tell them the first ten minutes. Yeah you're right you whatever it is. You don't need an entire hour right. I interviewed for my book. A producer of a associate producer of some of steven spielberg's movies. Who said steven spielberg basically said. You had the first fifteen minutes of a movie to totally someone in to captivate them or you were gone. So captivation really is about entertainment. And in fact i in early after my book i actually called the captivation. Trait entertainment trait. The problem is i thought people would would take that to mean you had to perform a song and dance to interest that right actually played instruments entertain or something. No but you better be damn interesting person if you're not interesting. New can't capture any body attention to persuade them. And i took about my book there all different ways to become interesting. There are ways you could be. You could be warm. You could be Can spend an hour and how to be captivating but you better have your your own individual formula on how to interest other people i. It's funny that you mentioned entertainment because that is almost always something. I look for in every single person that interview is there's something that i think will be entertaining about this story which is often why i've said not very very well known people because i'm like i don't think there's anything particular entertaining about this and i always tell people who want to create podcasts and you should remember audio as an entertainment medium i information medium second And i think a lot of people miss that particularly in the world that i play in of like online businesses. Exactly i you know sweeney. I was watching. I'm a pop culture guy. Although i i have a brain a tend to lake with everybody else likes i even a far lefty. I tend to like a three minute piece more than thirty minute piece on. Npr with the exception of this distinguished. Podcast of course. But i was watching the other day i was watching hoda and kathie and or or hold. I think it was a clip of kathy. It's hold at jena. But now in the in the fourth hour of today hoda and kathie lee will once as to the worst guest ever and their worst guest ever they both said it was frank sinatra junior the son of the singer and they showed a clip of what made him so bad i think just sat there with his hands crossed and his answers were relatively intelligent but he was so dry and he said you know i think i think i've answered enough or i don't like that question. And there were bashed gaps of silence. And he was not captivating. And i had to change the channel So you got interest people. First and then i say as i say book you better do optimistically with hope. 'cause listen captivation without optimism. That hope is omarosa the villain of a reality show. You are if you're just captivating like a train wreck but you're not doing it in an uplifting the way why put captivation hope together that makes you negatively captivating. You don't wanna be negatively captivating. Either you don't wanna be omarosa. You don't wanna be donald trump who is right now. He's negatively captivating lead like. I never thought that you know. I think all of us who are progressive we have. Ptsd from twenty sixteen. I thought i would. I'm still a bit of iraq. This leg emotional wreck this week before. Think-i the polls were wrong. But when i turn on. When i turn the tv. Now i hear trump speak. He's so insane that he's a captivating negative trainwreck. I'm less knots in my stomach than why this man after four years my mouth is dropping by now i dropping. So you don't want to be you. Don't wanna be negatively. Captivated you wanna captivate with hope. Those substitute traits is the first stage. Well let's talk about The you call the clincher traits which are protectiveness in reliability. I think you said a reliable person follows through on promises and pronouncements marine steadfast in times of chaos and stays on message the shifting winds notwithstanding and it's funny because when i think about reliability about you know how people consume media every time somebody asks me you know about starting a podcast or starting blog. I always give them some examples. That look media. Consumption is based on habit formation. All you have to do is look at something. Like friends on nbc. If you basically know that friends is going to be on every thursday night for the next ten years you plan to stay in france now assume that the writers of friends decided you want we're just gonna write episodes. When we're inspired. Then they would never create the habit within the audience. Now that's how. I came to understand reliability but i know it goes beyond that yes but let let me say this that reliability you bring up a point particularly in fiction presentations such as a tv sitcoms and fiction movies the public although they an actor to play a role at want to find themselves deeply invested in that role they still want to recognize the actors the actor that they love and there are certain actors who have certain acting patterns or ticks that i can recognize anywhere. Some annoy me. Some of these ticks domed bought. Let's take george clooney for example somebody who i greatly admire. He's a hero of mine Because of the extraordinary work that he does for progressive causes as does A spouse even more so perhaps. I know that. I'm going to get when i watched george cleaning. I know that i'm going to get a certain sideways. Double-take glance from him. That i remember. He had in the facts of life and then saint l. two very. It was saying what what show was he. I think he was saying where the medical show that was. Er er. i'm dating myself. I used his breakout role. I see update myself. The breakout royce to watch. Er every thursday guided him ends the. Let's just say that the facts of life and very difficult. I don't remember. He was on the facts. And i do actually yes. I had such a crush on him when he was on the sacrifice. Oh my god did. I didn't know whether i had a question. He or blair warner more. But i'm gay so. I chose george clooney so video is two different roles but he had certain acting things about him. Sideways glance a double take and then danny. It continued onto his movies. Jennifer aniston has certain nods facial expressions certain. She moves her head to the side. He has this funny double take curious. Look k it's in every role actors kinda can't help it. Probably the only actor man or woman who doesn't carry through these ticks to every single role is meryl streep. She totally inhabits herself. I would also say. Helen mirren totally inhabits herself in a role. And however we get comfort as an audience in seeing george clooney no matter what role he plays. He's still george clooney. We get comfortable that we come for in seeing jennifer aniston. No matter what roles he plays in my view. And i love her. But she's jennifer ashton and we need that reliability. It's comforting to us. We don't want to see adam sandler in a deeply deeply informatics. We don't have sandler drama. It's it's not reliable. It's not comforting. And i by the way. I like jim carrey. I don't think he works as joe biden. It's the most bizarre thing in the whole world. It's partly reliable watching. Partly jim carey and partly jim carrey stuck in something that he has no no business to play he's not he's reliably in the role. He's a misfit. So we need that reliability. We crave it and we crave protectiveness well and let me tell you where these trade i wanna talk about stages three and four in my book where i talked about the last two stages of foreign language the celebrity or falling level somebody though the the third stage is protectiveness reliability. The fourth stage is perceptiveness and compassion. These used to be democratic versus republican traits. Let me explain much of my life. When i was growing up. The republican traits will protectiveness reliability. Those are the republican party and republican candidates stock in trade. We looked who wanna reagan. Not me because i'm a democrat but people general look to ronald reagan to protect america and be hard against the russians and the soviets and we looked to the republican party to be rule anti-communist reliably less government. The republican party is completely lost that advantage particularly under donald trump. The republican party was reliably the protect america party. It is not that under any anymore. It is not that when when donald trump has ruined our alliances so in fact trump has permanently seated. Or i think for a very long time. The republican party's party of protecting america reliably with american. Now stands alone in the world. Democrats have always been the party of compassionate and perceptiveness. And let's help the boring. Let's help the middle class and a major turning point as to the republican party's giving up its mantle of protectiveness in reliability actually was not under donald trump actually came in two thousand eight hundred john mccain many things to admire that john mccain i i don't know if your listeners remember but john mccain ran the most erratic presidential campaign ever other than donald trump but when there was a financial crisis john mccain said he was shutting down his campaign. He wouldn't debate that he changed his mind. The day later he also chose sarah palin and in two thousand eight don john mccain's campaign was like a bucking bronco. He was risk taker and boy. Did it show. You had no drama of bomber running against him brand new to the national spotlight. But somebody steady. A new look at obama bama and he may have been new public life. But you said that man is steady that man is reliable and compared to the bucking bronco. John mccain is obama's gonna protect us. So i would argue this as two thousand eight. The republican party has consistently given up the mantle of protectiveness in reliability. While it's funny when you talk about reliability particularly when you're mentioning actors enrolls. I don't know if you've you've watched the tv show friday night lights but by far. Probably my favorite show on television and kyle chandler is the coach on friday night lights. And you come to see coach taylor as this person of the character like so many of us as guys like that for many of us that is kind of a role model of masculinity that we all look up to and you know we always say like a dream woman is basically the ice that he's married to at least me and my roommates do but one thing that was really interesting was my roommate Had actually never seen the movie. He actually watched the entire television show. Before we sat down and watched the movie and the look on the just the cognitive dissonance. To see billy bob thornton playing the kyle chandler role was like what the hell like it just and even for me after years and i had seen the movie years before but to see exactly it was exactly we talked about. It was like wait a minute. This is not what we expected from the coach. Exactly haven't seen this show but you gave a perfect example. Indeed let's talk about The concentrates a perceptiveness compassion is the willingness to act on. Perspective is through perceptiveness through love kindness. Active care together perceptiveness compassion shed light on a public figures feelings for other human beings. Yes i have to tell. You shouldn't bringing it to the two thousand twenty election. i think donald trump's greatest bailing from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty is his lack of perceptiveness. Donald trump really had his house on the public's thinking donald trump knew exactly how to play to the public in twenty sixteen if donald trump were perceptive in twenty twenty. Here's what his image would have been. And here's his what his his narrative would've been he would've solicited folks school in the beginning i did. We had a pandemic the likes of which we've never seen before. I even port of me didn't want to believe this is unprecedented hundred years and with few precedents in in in modern history i screwed up i learned and i'm gonna put these lessons for you to build back. That's slightly different than what he's saying what he's saying now is i've done nothing wrong. Com that is so not perceptive. Not just in terms of the reality but in terms of what people are willing to hear you know. The american people are fairly generous. The american people any any voting electorate is generous to people who say i screwed up. Yes it had. He said i screwed up. That might be in a commercial by by joe biden but had he said he screwed up. Instead it early on and looked into the camera people would have found it refreshing. And they're just would have been so many times. Joe biden have said screwed up because because people would have said okay uncle joe. He did screw up but he admitted months ago. I do you have anything new for us. Had donald trump said he screwed up in the beginning the way he handled this this crisis. Aside from being substantively better wouldn't be the issue that he is that it is. He's just so em- perceptive about what the american people want to hear and that's been his biggest problem when you're that in perceptive about what others are thinking particularly when there's a pandemic that's killed two hundred twenty six thousand people you've come across as as narcissistic and lack of And having no compassion. So that's the best example of perceptiveness. I can give as it relates to lisa public life today. Let's talk specifically about scandals. You say that likeability is not invincible. It can be damaged by mistakes but by crises and killed by enemies. In a matter of seconds public figures can wash their carefully cultivated likability slip than tumble them crash and burn. And you know the. I think the other thing this made me think about as i mentioned to you was on this reality tv dating show and the person that they match me with was portrayed fairly villainously and i've had a very strong line up i am not going to say anything about her even when people have like literally i've probably got one hundred tweet saying oh man you dodged a bullet and you know and then they say something nice about me. My own response was. That's really kind of you. I hope you check out. The podcast. Realize was like if i go on the defensive than i have something to defend but i have nothing to defend here Mayor show was it's raining. It's called indian matchmaking. Wait i've seen indian matchmaking. are you on. are you on all the roads. I'm in the second episode. Okay can i say something about that. Show not playing some tv show from a tv producer. I didn't find it interesting enough to be offended by it. Meaning meaning i have friends. I have all my south asian friends. I'm they have very strong views on it. They're strong views are. It's gotta relate to this. This is historical or this is just broad brush is it is it. Is it anywhere close to reality by the way that show. So here's what i can tell you. I mean the a people are like okay. Is this how it unfolded. I said what you saw was what was recorded. I you know. And this is something i've said in interview after interview. I was the beneficiary of some very good advice from multiple people in my life One was my cousin who is a media attorney. I remember sending him the release and he said listen. He's like it doesn't matter what this release says is basically they can make you look like jackass and editing as your job is to give them zero ama- which they can do that with so it was very mindful of that and then you know my cousin who is like my other sister when i told her about this hour and a half hour long ride along with the matchmaker. Shoes like you what you do. Best interview her. Don't answer her questions and if she asks give her broad generalizations and the funny thing is like people are like wait a minute. One of my friends joke. She's like you're the one person on the show. Nobody seems to know a damn thing about despite the appearance. Yes i would've given you the same advice this no i was saying. Really these of matchmakers i i. That's all i want to say about that but album let me taste. Store reminds me so there was a movie. I've been in a couple of movies which is an odd thing i know one was a documentary called free held f. r. e. h. e. l. d. is a million reasons why was called that the name of the town jersey and it was about my activism when iran new jersey's gay rights organization And the movie portrays me. Some people in new jersey considered me as the harvey milk of new jersey. Which police believe me has no privileges. You don't even get a free parking spot at garden state to be the harvey milk of new jersey is trust me. It's not like being the harvey milk of san francisco. I have no edo here. I don't even know what the hell the harvey milk of new jersey means. Baio i have no idea. I mean i don't even get a date with one of the closeted gay people from jersey shore now fine so this movie documentary comes out in which a major character and twenty fifteen but some bizarre. Actually a great documented. It wins the academy award for best documents in two thousand fifteen total suck and they decided to make it into a It was so the documentary was in two thousand seven in twenty fifteen eight years later. They made it into a hollywood movie. In which steve carell plays me. And here's what i mean. By what fiction does to people and their likability fictionalized program so heavily edited programs whether it is the fiction. Movie of free held in which steve. Kerr played me in two thousand fifteen or indian matchmaking which they heavily edited. It's not as if they invent a character out of nowhere. That's nothing like you. They simply make you into a one dimensional character. They take the most discernible trait. You have and they blow it all out of proportion at the expense of other traits. You have that point of view. So sweeney a few if you. I don't know you personally on this broadcast but if you are very contemporary of person than you show them to indian matchmaking. They would've made you into a brooding tower or you would have done would be if you can template if they exaggerate it. They find that trade. So reality shows in public presentations. Take one trait. You have just one and they exaggerated at the expense of all others. 'cause that's all. They believed the audience can handle and in this movie in two thousand fifteen hours allowed gauge. You on acid. It was hard to believe. I was like the love child of paulin from the hollywood squares and the great rabbis of the thomas. I had z. there was zero nuance to me. And steve carell played me as this and he wasn't too happy when i was quoted after a saying i didn't recognize myself and so it was very interesting so they caught me onto the set in steve carell was playing me and i was warned by the director. The producers don't talk to him. Don't even give him. I contact unless he asks you a question. You know one of these criminals stories telling me that means. I'm not i'm not gonna follow their advice. I mean we're all human beings. We all put on our shoes at the same time. I'm not gonna take that advice but it was well behaved for five seconds when i went on the set and he starts playing the and i don't have a poker face so clearly i'm looking like i'm gonna throw up. The director yells cut. Steve carell comes comes to me. And says i might not playing you right at mischievous little me looking at the director and the producer says i supposed to answer him. And then steve grouse suggest. Answer me answer me. I said to him steve. Have you ever met a jew before he said what do you mean. I grew up in concord mass. We had lots of jews steve. Listen to me. you're so not playing me right. But he didn't understand was this but he was so over the top about me and listen. You're ordinance could tell. I'm not the least over the top person naturally that you've ever met i mean i've tried to bland and boring. It doesn't really work but for example. If the script would say on a right steve carell would say like oil like he was don corleone in the godfather like why did you kiss the kill and i said to him steve. When you see a jewish person has like this you killing me. What are you doing to me like with this profound sense of jewish. He couldn't get it because it it it. Tattoo too much nuance so i became the screaming lunatic throughout the movie. And that's what hollywood does it takes one trait that you have. That's rooted in reality and blows it up that proportion conversely listening likability can be constructed. But it can't be constructed too far away from who you are like. I talked about this book. Richard nixon the most unlikable Ever to be present. Other than donald trump richard nixon managed to make himself likable the nineteen sixties before he ran for president. Sixty eight how. He hired the producer of the tonight. Show to be his personal likeability coach. He played piano on tv. Richard nixon learn to take learn to tell jokes by nineteen sixty eight. He had softened his image. It couldn't last him in office. So a thesis of my book is choi could make yourself more likable but within bounds. Like i could never make myself over as a likely zan. Low key person. That's just not happening. So wow well. I think the really fitting and beautiful new. It has been a really really thought provoking conversation. So i have one final question for you. Which is how we finish. All of our interviews will credit and of all people. I think i'm very curious to hear how you'll answer this given your background. What do you think it is that makes somebody or something on mistake of questions. What do i think that makes somebody or something unmistakable. The willingness to go through life without a safety net. I'll true authenticity. If you go through life without safety net and you're willing to be vulnerable and show your lack of invulnerability and put yourself out there. Everybody will know who you are amazing I can't thank you enough for taking the time to join us and share your story and your insights and your listeners. This has been one of my favorite conversations. Probably have had in the last ten years Thank you so. I open sri. I'm here for you. Whatever you wanna do a workaround together you name it. I'm here you love doing your show. Thank you so much and everybody listening. We will wrap the show. 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The VOICE, The FLOW, and The RV  |  045

THE CHURCH IS BROKEN WITH SAM NEIDER

28:17 min | 2 years ago

The VOICE, The FLOW, and The RV | 045

"Welcome to the churches broken podcast. My name is Samuel nighter in the mission of this show is to spread the message of the kingdom because God didn't call us to be church people. He called us to be kingdom people bringing light into darkness bringing the kingdom of heaven to the earth. It has been a crazy crazy week for me and my family. Last week. I was at warrior week where we fifty six as a lead coach stepping into leading that for the first time leading twenty three men through a pre-training process done virtually and then leading them through the event itself and something very strange happened something unexpected happen through the process of this event. So on the second day in the evening. There is a meditation in that meditation. I had a vision it was a strange vision. It was a vision. I didn't understand I'm still trying to unravel and put together, but I think I've figured out a part of it. So in this meditation. The first thing that happened was I felt or saw or sense this dark presence walk right in front of me. It was very it was crazy. I actually thought that someone had gotten up we are in a circle sitting around in a circle. And I thought somebody had gotten up in walked in front of me. I had my eyes closed didn't know what to make of it. And it passed in front of me. And then wasn't there after a few seconds? And so I just kind of stayed in my zone in the meditation. Later on in the meditation. I had a vision of. What turned out to be my wife like rising from the center of a fire and she had scales. Almost like a mermaid and she rose up, and I didn't recognize her at first because the scales covered her entire body and head and then eventually the scales fell off of her is in her face, and I recognized that it was her, and she was kind of their floating, and she grabbed my hand. And she began to lead me, she was just kind of floating along she grabbed my hand kind of looking back over her shoulder, and I touched her and her hand to call the vid and she just kinda lead me forward later on in the meditation. I'm not sure how long a period of time. It was I began to see light. She had grabbed my hand and was leading me off in the direction kind of to my left later in the meditation. I began to see this glowing light way off in the very very far corner. My left eye and. The light was yellowish at first it was kind of dull. And then it kinda grew in intensity. Until was pretty bright was bright yellow golden, and then it grew even more into this orangish light. And it kinda would go through this, abbot and flow. It would grow in intensity and then dim, but it kept growing in magnitudes throughout the course of the rest of this meditation actually throughout the this sequence of this period of the meditation 'cause I'm not sure exactly when it occurred or how long it occurred, and then it grew into this. Big huge, bright, reddish light. And then it went out. And I had no idea what to make of it. This was on the last part of day two of warrior week. The next day. I woke up and something was off like something was off. Like, my whole being was not it was not aligned. And no matter what I did to get myself aligned. It wasn't working. And I thought it was because of my disconnection to my family. I hadn't talked to them. This was Thursday morning. I had not talked to them since Monday night, and that's abnormal. Typically, I talked to them on a daily basis or multiple times a day when I'm on the road. I talked to my wife and my kids had not talked to them. And so I attributed it to just this this angst that I was feeling. It was kind of this. I called it this fuck all energy, just basically like fuck, all like everything. And just this angst that I was having. So I went through the day. And as I went through the day. I wouldn't say I experienced any the angst through the day. I kinda got it normalized by a couple hours into the day and was focused on the men focused on what we were doing and moving. Forward throughout the date. And as the day on folded. I noticed toward the end of the day, again, eight o'clock nine o'clock at night this energy started to come back into me this angst. And I started to feel it in my body. And then the night on folded in the night went pretty late to about midnight. And by the end of the night. Something very drastic came clear to me. It was a feeling that I had had it was a very very similar feeling that I had had when I was in ministry work. And I was part of this group that was led by a lead pastor, and I was part of this thing for about five years, and I had invested myself fully, and by the end, there was something in me that was being it was almost like a magnetic repulsion. Who was like, I was it was the the two magnets coming together that ki- you can't touch them together because they're literally the have the same polarity in their pushing apart. And I felt pushed to get out. Like, I felt this inner drive in every part of my body was just being repulsed away and pushed out of what I was in the ministry work, and I quickly. I recognize that it had been growing over some time that I had been doing that. It took a little bit longer for me to recognize an acknowledged it when I was a younger man close to thirty years old at that time. Than it did last week, but I had the same. It was all the same feelings. It was like this magnetic polarity thing in my body. I could literally feel it in my body. And by the end of the night, I realized like my body and everything in me all this angst. All this fuck all energy, all this desire, and this kind of thrust. That's pushing me somewhere is actually pushing me out of this meaning pushing me out of being a coach of warrior week. She's very strange because coaching in Warri week is a great honor. It's a huge honour. And it's an awesome is an awesome experience as a coach. It combines the physical the mental the emotional, the spiritual. There's nothing like it on the earth. There's no event that I'm aware of that is like this where it combines all the aspects of a man who. He is. And as a coach you get to lead a man through this amazing processes been something I've been looking forward to for quite some time. I had even daydream about what it would be like to coach within this to coach as a warrior week coach. And yet here I was standing at midnight on this latte. The third night of four there four days, total of the the physical experience and something in me like everything in my body is telling me, you should not be here you need to get out. And so then I began to focus on my heart and listen to my heart in my heart spoke, very very clearly as it does. And it just said this is not for you you need to go. This is not for you, you need to go and often when my heart speaks in these kind of moments. There's no there's no grasping. There's no understanding. Right. I've learned to simply trust my heart. There have been so many decisions so many steps so many steps of faith because listening to the heart requires faith. And nothing in my mind. Understood this like I had committed notch just to coaching at worry week, but to taking the men who stepped through into a ninety day challenge after warrior week I committed to this like I had committed and I'm the kinda guy when I commit to something when I say, I'm going to do it. I do it. Okay. Yet here. I am standing on day number three of four at the end of the day. And my heart is telling me. I must leave. This is not for you. Go. As so in that moment, I realized I have to act quickly like a lot of things that are going to happen over the next day. If I don't act if I don't respond if I don't obey and submit to what my heart is telling me right now, I'm actually going to create a cluster fuck for myself for the men for warrior for all these things like this is something I need to act on immediately. So I met with the lead trainer coach Sam at twelve thirty that night. Let him know what was going on in. His response was simple. If your heart is telling you to do that that you need to follow your heart. This'll take care of itself. We'll take we'll figure it out. We'll take care of it. But you must follow your heart. As what I love about this, man. I love this about garett white and warrior, and the message that is preached within warrior. It's all about ultimately learning. How to listen to the voice in your heart? Not listening to the voice in your head. But listening to the voice in your heart. In fact, Garrett ran in Evelyn the day before and the whole purpose of the evolution was exactly this. Learn to listen to your heart. Learn to listen to the voice in your heart. Not the voice in your head. And so in this moment, I was tested. I was tested literally the coach began began became the coachee the leader became the one being led. And I was tested to see if what I had been preaching. What I had been teaching what I had been leading these men to do the listen to their heart not their head. If it was something that I would actually do in the moment, though, it made no sense and still on some level makes no sense. And so I did and just like that within a span of twenty four hours actually within a span of six or eight hours, I had removed myself from being warrior week coach. Although I wanted to finish out were week. What came clear the next day was that coach Sam realize like he needed to just invest his energy toward those men. And if I was out my energy is going to be different the next day. And so he felt it best that I did not participate in the last day though. I wanted to and I respected that was like, yeah. I get it. I understand your show. Do what you gotta do. So I didn't even get to finish. I did not even finish the warrior week that I had led the pre-training and was the lead coach through the first three days kinda strange several of the men reached out. They just said, I don't know what happened. But they thanked me. They Fank me for what I had given them and done for them in that thirty day period. And I told them it was my honour. And so here I was. Something I had planned on doing for this upcoming year for two thousand nineteen was now completely up ended in a span of twenty four hours and one decision one heart decision. So I'm driving back home the next morning. And I relate to my wife everything that had happened. We have this long discussion several hours driving on the road and something beautiful began to unfold as soon as she realized number one what had happened and why I had done what I had done. And this is the beautiful thing about my wife like she honors. She honors me following my heart. She honors me taking these steps of faith, even though I had not consulted with her because it was twelve thirty at night when I made that decision when it came clear to me, I knew that she would be fully supported because we've done this so many times throughout the twenty years of our marriage. So as I related what happened. Explain what happened. Explain my process with all of this. And then just was kind of done. I had gotten it all out. She understood she said, yeah, I understand I can see it. And she immediately something began to rise up in her. And she started talking about doing something pretty radical which is to take a trip for a year in an RV across the country. This came out of nowhere. In fact, we have never once in our lives in our marriage ever talked about doing this. We talked about maybe taking an RV vacation for a couple of weeks and going to couple national parks and things like that for summer trip or something like that. But we have never once ever discussed going on the road like literally packing up packing are shit. Putting it in storage and going on the road in an RV like a three hundred square foot RV with my wife, myself, our two kids and our dog for a year, and yet somehow this began to be the flow of our conversation. And as she talked something kept flashing in my mind, it was the vision I had had in my meditation. It was the vision of her taking me by the hand and leading me. Leading me in a direction. Ultimately leading me wear leading me toward the light. And so initially as she began to say this. I mean, I was so discombobulated by everything that happened. Like literally my world got turned upside down in one decision in less than twelve hours. And boom like my whole world was different and on a different trajectory some already discombobulated as she's talking about this. So I didn't have a whole lot of resistance in me. But normally what happens like when she goes off on some of these ideas, my mind, my logic, my thoughts immediately come in. And I kind of I kind of say some things that shut it down. And that close off that path because when she goes down this direction, she's putting herself invulnerability like this is a dream. That's coming out of her in through her in her heart and one or two words or sentences can just Pierce it. And then she shuts it down because in that Volmer ability. I didn't protect her and nurture it and love her in that. And I didn't do that. And every time my thoughts would begin to go like this is fucking nuts. I would remember this vision in my meditation. This vision of her my Queen taking me by the hand and leading me. And leading me alternately wear toward the light. So here we are. Five days later, as I record this five days later, and we have decided and it was actually decided that day that day. I was driving home in the car having this conversation where dream turned into a reality where the heart got opened up both of our hearts in union got opened up to a new idea and new path and the new step of faith. Is very similar to actually what brought us out to California. My wife has had health issues. I've described those and other episodes of this podcast, they manifested in her lungs, and ultimately, we realized or we had Opole Manala just say, look if you have the means or the the ability to move to a warmer climate with good air quality. Now is the time. And so from that moment. And from the moment where she and I both independently had began had begun having thought of maybe we need to move. And then the pulmonologist comes on the heels of that. And then both of us independently come to this conclusion like we need to move. We don't know where we need to move. But we need to move. We need to move from Cleveland, Ohio and move somewhere else. And within four hours of both of us independently coming to that conclusion talking to one another about it realizing we had come to the same conclusion and the same heart decision within four hours we had and she had looked at every area of the country and by process of elimination. Landed us pointed us toward the central coast. Of california. Literally. And within that four hour timespan. We had redirected ourselves and decided to take this leap of faith. Not knowing anyone never having been out here. Other than driving through as college kids. And landed out here. And it was very similar with this whole unfolding of this RV thing like it happens. So quickly in this time. It was within an hour within an hour of. She said I feel like we're free now like you don't have any obligations and as soon as she felt this freedom. This flow began to come out. I've been talking about flow in the last two episodes, and I've been talking about flow in particular in the marriage between husband and wife. And so this flow began to happen between us, and because of the vision, I had I didn't allow my logical dream killing nature to come out and Pierce, the beauty of what she began to express and what began to flow through her. Instead, I let her take me by the hand and lead me. Toward the light. Is so starting in June. We have decided we're going to buy an RV. We're going to either leave all our stuff in this house that we've been renting or pack it up and store it, and we are going to go on the road for a year. And focus on our family our kids and make love our purpose throughout this year. Make love and loving one. Another our purpose through this upcoming year in allow that love to become the fuel to create. Like to get out of this mode of having to produce as a man, I'm a producer. I must produce and get into the mode of as a lover as a husband as a father in union with my wife together with my family. What am I called to create? Like, what am I call decree? Now, what am I call produce to make money for vocation for my calling whatever you want, whatever you wanna call it? However, you wanna define it. But this thought of producing and production instead of that, what am I call to create out of the beauty out of the union out of the flow. That's between us and in us, and especially between, my wife, and I. And so this upcoming year is going to be a crazy year is going to be an adventure. Like, I don't know how we my family are going to go from we lived in a five thousand square foot house in Cleveland, we live in a thirty five hundred square foot house in California that also has a Caserta, which is another fifteen or eighteen hundred spur feet. I don't know how we're going to go from that to a three or four hundred square foot. I think three hundred square foot RV and not murder one another. I don't know how it's going to happen. But this is where the flow is taking us. This is the expansion. We are being called into. To go on this grand adventure. So a lot's going to happen like lots going to happen. We're probably going to create a YouTube channel document our trip. My wife will probably start a podcast. My son will probably start a podcast. I plan on transitioning this podcast this podcast. The is broken. I plan on transitioning it to a new podcast something along the lines of the pit Walker. Finding your power your purpose and your path on the other side of the pit. Like really, this has become more. Clearly, what is in me. I'm not here to thrash the church to thrash organized religion. I did that somewhat at the beginning of this podcast. Like that's not what I'm here. That's not what I'm here for. I'm here for something. I'm here for the kingdom of God. And I've had many experiences over the last twenty years of traveling through the pit walking through the pit. What is the pit? The pit is the darkness in the pain inside of us. The pit is. The thing we fear. The pit is what we tried to avoid to not have to go into. And yet I've found throughout the twenty years of my adult life that there is no way to move forward. There's no way to grow. There's no way to become more. There's no way to find the light except to go into the darkness of the pit. And in that in that in finding the light in the deepest darkness in my soul. My purpose gets revealed and the power to live my purpose and the path forward becomes clear in the pit. So I'm gonna talk about this. And I'm gonna share my experiences along this line on my transition this podcast from the church is broken to the pit Walker. So hopefully, if you've enjoyed and found value in what I've shared here. You'll transition you'll listen to the next one. I'm planning on going fifty two episodes fifty two seems like a nice number. I've been going one a week. I might speed it up here and go to a week to I hit fifty two. I believe this is forty five. So it will come in the next three four five weeks. And then I'll transition it over and this next podcast and all the things that I begin to produce not to produce all the things that I begin to create out of the beauty of this union with my wife, and my family, we'll put out there. Will make them acceptable for others who may be on a similar journey. But my question for you today is this. It's very simple. It's very simple. I'm the leader of my family. I'm the leader of my wife from the leader of my children, and yet in this instance, my wife is leading me. My wife is leading me. Why because I was open. I was open to her leading house open to her leading us toward certain direction. Now, don't get me wrong. Like once that direction is clear once we knew the central coast was our destination. Once we knew that taking an RV trip around the country for a year is our destination. They it's my job as the leader to step up and make that happen all the things that need to go into that all the things that need to happen. And there are a lot. I've been mapping it out. I've been creating my lists like there's a lot of stuff that needs to happen. A lot of things that need to happen to make this trip happened guests who that's on. It's on me to lead into execute. But here my wife led me. Lead me in the direction that we needed to go. So where in your life is my question to you today where in your life? Do you need to be open to being led? Even though you're the leader. You're the leader where in your life. Have you been resisting being led because at the end of the day? If you don't know how to be led how can you ever lied? More to come. Stay tuned. And I'll be back with you soon.

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Cases are popping in other states. Are we losing control?

Coronacast

10:50 min | 7 months ago

Cases are popping in other states. Are we losing control?

"This is an ABC podcast. Hello. This is corona cast a podcast. virus I'm. Health reported taken tyler on physician and journalist daughter Norman Swan it's Friday the third of July and Norman. I mean Australia. We thought we were doing aura and nutcases it just seeming to be popping up everywhere this some back in the MT which had been virus free for a while. There's some New South Wales. Are we losing control of this thing again? No, I, don't think so. I think Melbourne is running a risk of losing control there because you've got more and more cases each day or more run about the same number, but let's just deal with Victoria for a moment, so Victoria's got seventy odd cases a day. A lot of that will be from testing. Some of those would never have been found because they're probably asymmetric or very few symptoms, so they're finding cases, my understanding is that the positive rate in other words, the ratio of testing to positives is still very low, so in other words very few positives relative to the number of cases now that's. A sign that they're picking up most of the virus in the community. If you started to get five six, seven, eight, nine ten percent positive in the cases, that's one sign that they're missing cases out there in the community with just one thing to look for and ask about is what's their positive rate in terms of cases, and if it's. Under one percent, they're probably picking up most of the virus. That's there in the community key question is. Is it spreading to other suburbs? So in other words is the ring-fencing working? If it starts to spread to other suburbs, they'd be worried about what you've seen in new. South Wales. Only seen reports on it is that somebody came in from quarantine got to New South Wales thought there were negative turned out to be positive in a supermarket and a similar kind of story in the Northern Territory so these are people where they caught the virus looks as if they caught the virus overseas quarantined in Melbourne and then came out of quarantine and have taken the virus to other states. The supermarket contact is a bit of a worry in new, south Wales, but no, they're onto that. We're not losing control. That's what happens well. The we're an. People are still coming in from overseas with the virus, and hopefully quarantine controls that, but clearly there's been a bit of a problem Corentin in Victoria now. The chief health officer told me last week came when I recorded an interview Monday that they had no cases turning up after quarantine in other words apart from these security guards who took the infection away with them and spread them into their community, nobody he had actually left quarantine and find out to have had the virus. Well, these are two cases where in fact they have with a visa. People who refuse the final test are not before they left I. I don't know, but it also shows that fourteen days isn't a guarantee that you pick up everybody. What is it with Victoria? Is it just bad luck that these quarantine cases of also come from there with has been an outbreak or do they need to be doing more. It's hard to do. I'm not quite sure just exactly what's going on in some states in terms of how much tasting they're doing in quarantine, corentin arrangements are slightly different in other states where they've got contractors. They've got police and others monitoring the quarantine or managing the quarantine situation in a much more probably a much more disciplined way. I, mean certainly if security guards being intimate as it's being alleged with some of the people in quarantine. The wasn't much quarantine going on in Victoria, but that may not be the issue here. The the issue here may simply be that they've got out of quarantine and the testing regime has not been as good as it should have been in quarantine and they've gone elsewhere, so there's a problem there and hopefully the judicial mario sort that out, but to cases going out does. Does Not mean we're losing control, and if the you know the supermarket, one is awarded New South Wales, but they're onto it, so we were talking yesterday about Victoria again and people refusing to get tested in Victoria and we asked. Allison is to tell us why people which is not to get tested. If they knew you might remember. That Victoria's Premier Daniel Andrews has said earlier this week that as part of this testing bleats more than nine hundred people had refused tests. And here's some of the responses. And some of them were actually not what I expected, so sally saying not everyone refusing to have the test in Melbourne hotspot suburbs is paranoid on naughty. Some are from low socioeconomic status, and or are casual workers. Two days waiting for the result without work can seriously impact on their ability to support themselves and family. They can't. They can't risk the time not being able to work. This is the issue where if you have a test, you've got to self isolate until you are the result and another one. That really got me. Leads was talking about a very intelligent educated multi-lingual lady, who they know who thinks the viruses hoax and part of a government conspiracy and Liz says that I think that the test should carry sufficient idea and written sheets in community languages, just so that they can be really clear and provide enough information to two shy people that they're actually legit. The will people without ideas and. There are people who refuse immunization for their children, and they've got ideas of how the immune system works. There's always going to be ideas on the fringe, and you've got to be able to cope with that if it's only one or two people on the fringe, then that's okay, but if it's large numbers than story, and then one more from Andrea that that. That sort of hit me in the fields. She's reluctant to get tested if she has no symptoms. especially with nasal swab, she's had cancer and over the past two years. She's had so many painful medical tests. She's just fed up with being prodded and poked, and she's taken the time to be diligent with oscillating kind of feels like she shouldn't have to be tested because. because. She's done what she needs to do by isolating herself. We'll hopefully the saliva test would be an answer for Andrea where you don't have to have something poked into. You can just put your saliva in a in a container in this live over you know, and that's the way it's tests will be done in. It's not as traumatic. You can understand why people are. Are Traumatized by tests, but that's the idea in the saliva test is that it's it's harmless doesn't caused you any inconvenience absolutely, and so now some questions Adams, asking. Why are we making such a big deal about the infections? When clearly the hospital right is almost non-existent, are we gonNA start counting. How many people contract the flu next where we already do we do we? The people who contract the flu. We report on the flu. Seasonal flu has a significant mortality rate, and not as much covered nineteen. And the reason here is simply that when you've got seventy cases, and it's mostly in young people. You don't see a big problem in terms of the hospital system. But, if you've got an are this reproduction ratio of two, which is that? In the hot spots, one person with the fictions passing it onto to others. That's a doubling rate, so those two are passing it onto another two so day one you've got one day to. You've got to day three. You got four you do. The maths comes a very large number very quickly, and then, when it becomes a very large number, say three four five weeks later. That's when you see the effect on the hospital system. That's when you see large numbers of older people getting it and getting seriously ill and has also when you start to. To see middle, aged and slightly younger people, getting it and become quite sick to and just don't forget that in parts of Italy when they were really under stress, the cutoff for ventilation was aged forty. So that's have massive numbers. That's what we're talking about here. Stopping it becoming massive numbers, and if you don't control it at the beginning, the virus wins, so it seems doesn't seem sensible. Why are we doing it when it's only seventy cases and you see his one hundred thousand, going towards one hundred thousand cases in a day in the United States. It's because we don't want to get to that point, and you've got to control it so many cases a day. If you WANNA stop the massive numbers and massive numbers means large numbers in the hospital say no minutes Friday and you know what that means. Is Quick. Far Friday click. Five Friday your time stop. Now I work as a testing, people tested for themselves. That's a really good question. Don't actually know the answer to it, but I mentioned that they are on a regular basis. DNA be stored after taking the test, not your DNA. It's the irony of the virus, and if you're positive for the virus that will be stored so so that genomic testing can be done, but There's no keeping of your DNA in the system in the UK, there was a trial of tests that takes twenty minutes with no lab testing required I do not have that trial win. These rapid results tests have been checkered, and it's not absolutely clear how reliable they are and It's why we haven't. Haven't moved towards more rapid testing because it's just some of those tastes are just not had the proper validation yet. And certainly the antibody tests have been done. There's a lot of controversy about them, and just how accurate they are okay. Here's one for you. If a person goes for a test, but prior to testing that person used an alcohol based mouthwash. Could they show up as a false negative, and could people use this to dodge testing? I suspect not because the virus will be so first of all alcohol. What mouthwash does not get rid of the virus There's too much else going on doesn't get all parts of your spiritual trying to convene your news so unless you're. Taking them wash shop your news at some lightly to do that, but I don't think have a significant effect on the virus. If that's what you're trying to do. The Breathalyzer trying to get right into the Breathalyzer for alcohol I. Don't think it gets your own that particularly. If you do an Easel, enjoy swap. Immediate. Sports immediately before you have a saliva test. Maybe it could have an effect, but probably not otherwise. How will I know if I'm a close contact of a positive case? Will someone calls me? What do I do? If someone I know test positive with somebody you know test positive. You should contact the the coronavirus hotline in your state You certainly need to be tested and somebody who test your needs to know that you're a contact of another person so that you can be contacted there. If you're known to be a close contact, they will contact you. The contractors will contact you Don Norman. Do you need a second to Maputo brow after that quickfire out? Breath but you know not so out of breath account. Go for some research. But I think we've got anytime for research well, that's all from us. Correct cost is this week? Friend about us if you like us, don't forget to leave us a review on apple podcast if you can. If you WANNA leave a question or comment, Goto ABC dot net dot US slash corona virus. Go to your questions and fill in the form, and mentioned corona cast, and we'll see you on. We'll see an.

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What happens tomorrow will be recorded in history books

CNN's The Daily DC

23:00 min | 1 year ago

What happens tomorrow will be recorded in history books

"Finding the right pros for home projects can be tough and spark a lot of questions. Like how do I find a pro. Who help will they do a good job? Will I get a fair price. That's where homeadvisor can help from leaky. Faucets to major remodels. homeadvisor connects you to the right pro for the job in seconds and even helps you get a fair price. Read Reviews News check. Project Cost Guides and book appointments go to Homeadvisor DOT COM or download. The free homeadvisor APP to start your next project. Hey everyone I'm David Chalian the CNN political director this is the daily DC impeachment in. Watch a podcast dedicated to up to the minute reporting and analysis into this fast moving impeachment inquiry tomorrow a new public chapter in this historic saga begins. We're getting clarity on the Republican defense of the president in advance of that public phase. And we're still waiting through thousands of pages of recently only released transcripts I've got to top notch guests L.. Make sense of it all in a few minutes. We'll be talking to Ross carver. CNN legal analyst. Who has extensive experience litigating eating impeachment charges? But I I'm joined by my colleague who has been absolutely all over the impeachment beat CNN reporter producer Marshall Cohen. Welcome back to the PODCAST Marshall. Thank you David. So Marshall we learned today more concrete details about what this is going to look like tomorrow as the impeachment inquiry sorry Basically goes prime time. I know it's during the day but I mean I is going to become a public television show tomorrow What what is that GONNA look like? Yeah you know primetime during the daytime this going to be huge you think about the history of the Donald Trump presidency and you can think about some major moments on Capitol Hill Right Robert Muller James Call Me Brad Kavanagh you can add some additional names tomorrow So that's GonNa be Bill Taylor and George Kent Two men who worked for the State Department career officials not trump appointees They're going to tell their story. So it all kicks off tomorrow morning ten. AM and You know the committee has laid out how it's GonNa look and how it's going to sound Adam Schiff the Democrat from California. He's going to be running the show. The Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee sitting beside him Although they're not in line with very much but they will sit. Side by side is Devon Nunez the top Republican on the committee they'll be bringing totally different perspectives tomorrow. So they'll give their opening statements. They'll set the table setting and then The witnesses will be sworn in under oath right. I mean it seems kind of procedural see jewel but you know they have to tell the truth by law. They could be punished for not telling the truth. So just keep that in mind tomorrow while you're watching that these are people that have the courage to come up get sworn in and tell the entire world what happened and what their understanding of events really was and different than other hearings That maybe listeners have gotten accustomed to watching the chairman chairman and the ranking member are going to have forty five minutes each to sort of prosecute the case if you will or at least Elicit the the testimony that they're looking for and they can Do with those forty-five minutes how they would like before they start passing the baton off to all the endless members committee that each get five minutes shots to make sure they get their local press releases in their pop on local. TV and all the things that members of Congress do in high profile hearings like this. But we haven't seen this before and some other hearings where the the chairman and the ranking member really. Take a big chunk of time to lay out a narrative. It's going to be different and and you know we've been hearing and it seems pretty clear that the ranking member and the chairman bill they'll take their their shots and they'll ask their questions but they're also going to devote wrote a good chunk of that opening period to their staff To ask the questions Staff members for the majority in the minority have already. You've been questioning witnesses for the past month behind closed doors. They know these transcripts inside and out they're not elected officials right so they don't need that Thirty the second sound bite. They want that Damning testimony and they know how to get it because they're the ones who again. Were doing all the questions questions behind closed doors. So it's GonNa be different because you're going to see folks on TV that you probably haven't seen before and they're definitely not going to be a household name but we've seen seen in some previous hearings earlier this year that they're actually better at this than the lawmakers and they're better at asking quite direct questions chance to get direct answers instead of just looking for that Youtube clip that they can post on their homepage. You know we live in such polarized and partisan times we are so so a custom in the trump era too so much noise in the hourly or quarter hourly any new cycles that we live in. But I think we can't sort of underestimate as you stated at the top Marshall the moment of history three here we shouldn't underestimate it is no small thing to begin And pursue the impeachment of the president of the United States of America and it ease I know it can feel small in today's back and forth But it's actually quite quite huge in historic tomorrow. You nailed it. I mean consider where we are. Only this'll be the third time in the history of this country entry which has been around for hundreds of years. And there's been forty five presidents forty five men that have sat and Donald trump shoes and and He will be the the third person to ever have to turn on his TV Like Andrew Johnston didn't have a TV back in the day but he'll be third president. US history to ever have to read about his own impeachment at to have to grapple with this This crisis for him and for his White House. It's totally historic You wrote an amazing piece today to sort of set up the arguments and the pieces of narrative that we're going to hear tomorrow and through in the weeks ahead and all this testimony and he's sort of broke get up. I thought no wise way you sort of said here. The things that are out there that are going to be used in the case for impeachment and here are the data points out there that are going to be used in the case against against impeachment. Can you give us a couple of highlights from each column first off. Let me say I'm not trying to create some false balance here right. There's a few things on both sides but big picture it looks like the Democrats have compiled a pretty strong case for the accusations that they're prepared to make so you know diving into it. Democrats Democrats have said first and foremost. The President has solicited a foreign country to get involved in our democracy. That's wrong it's an abuse of power. It goes against against what the framers of the Constitution wanted. One expert told me this is precisely what they invented impeachment to deal with something like this. So that's GONNA be part of their case they're going to hone in on the pre quid pro quo They've got testimony in their back pocket from a handful of key witnesses that I said I was there. I understood and the Ukrainians understood that they needed to do x Y and Z to get what they wanted from the White House right. You know the Military Harry assistance and a visit Not only that but Democrats also have been saying the president every time one of his people ignored a subpoena or doesn't hand over documents. It's it's ironclad proof of obstruction. That's what Democrats are saying. They did uh back in the Nixon era bringing articles of impeachment against him in the Committee for obstruction auction. Yep Adam. Schiff has been saying that he is basically looking his lips do that again. He's done a lot more than hinting. I will say on the flip side of your in the other side of your peace. Whichever one should go read at CNN DOT COM? Check out Marshall Cohen's piece I thought Rick Santorum's comments in your piece about The scope of authority president has when it comes to sort of the foreign policy area. I'll just read the quote here. This is from CNN contributor attributed Former Republican senator from Pennsylvania. Rick Santorum. You're taking a president and you're going after him for an abusive authority in an area where it's almost impossible to abuse authority because he has almost absolute authority in that area. It's just a big reach for them. He went on to say and I I when I read that. I thought you know I'm intrigued. By that argument. That's what we're going to hear Republicans say that that they're going to try to carve out this zone of policy policymaking sort of an absolute authority for the president right and I think it's contested among the legal community whether or not the president has those absolute powers definitely it would be a good rhetorical argument to make But yeah I mean Senator Santorum made a good point and I was chatting with him and he said look Nixon I'm like okay. It was obvious right. They're breaking in there stealing stuff. Those are campaign finance slush funds. Those were clear criminal violations. Bill Clinton we. Everyone pretty much agreed that he lied under oath and asked other people to commit perjury. So those are clear crimes were here with Donald Trump. It's not necessarily a crystal clear your crime and it comes under diplomacy foreign policy that the president's in our country over the years have had a lot of authority to to delegate. Okay okay stare at their Marshall. We're GONNA take a quick break when we're back. We're going to be joined by C. N. N. legal analyst and impeachment expert. Ross garber right after this. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning winning dot com slash CNN. Hey everyone it's poppy harlow in this week's episode boss files. A conversation with San Francisco Fed President Mary Daly. She has a remarkable story of resilience and define the Ondes dropped out of college at fifteen years old donut shop and then turned it all all around get her PhD day. She is responsible for crowding. US monetary policy. It's an important conversation. Hope you find it fascinating and I did check it out and welcome back to the daily. DC Impeachment Watch. I'm David Chalian. Reporter Marshall Cohen is still with me. And we're pleased to welcome welcome. CNN legal analyst. Ross garber thanks so much for being here. Ross it's going to be here. I believe that we are going to hear a lot. And I believe this. With good authority because the House Republicans issued in eighteen page memo. Today's sort of laying out what we're going to hear in the arguments to defend the president. But I think we're going to hear a lot about that. There's no evidence that goes to the President's intent. I I think we're going to start hearing a lot about what his actual frame of mind and intention in was It seems I'll just read you from the conclusion of this memo and get your take on it It says here that The summary If this is from the House Republicans they put out this memo today the summer and this is their conclusion. The summary of President Trump's conversation with President Alinsky gene reflects no conditionality or pressure and the Linski himself said he felt no pressure. Trump never raised US security assistance to Alinsky and ultimately the assistance was released and a presidential meeting occurred without Ukraine investigating the president's political rival. Simply put the the evidence gathered to date does not support the democratic allegation that president trump pressured Ukraine to investigate the president's political rivals those for his benefit in the twenty twenty presidential campaign. What do you make of that? Yeah so You know I read the Republican memo to And I think going to be four main defenses. One is that the house process is defective. I think we should expect to hear that from Devon Nunez tomorrow and some of the other members the the second is that It goes to the President's intent. The president reasonably believed there were corruption problems in Ukraine That he was trying to address an in that conclusion and I wrote down. What I thought was very significant from that conclusion you read from is that that the house? Republicans said that trump had a deep seated genuine and reasonable skepticism toward Ukraine. That is is a phrase you see actually a couple of times in the memo. Maybe it's two maybe three. Keep an eye on that quote. That's going to be a key. Part of the defense third is that trump didn't insist on a quid pro quo And especially with respect to to aid if anybody was out there trying arrange a quid pro quo doesn't go to the president and then finally no harm. Foul Ukraine. Got The eight. I think that's that's going to be what we see tomorrow from the Republicans and I mean this is a silly question. I guess to some extent. It's not like any of those Republican. Any of those arguments are gonNA hold water with the majority of the Democrats who we'RE GONNA end up voting in the house on articles of impeachment but the question is do you think those arguments are strong enough to keep the Republicans in the Senate when a trial gets there from defecting from the president are the answer is I think so but I'm not even there yet because I I think I think it's going to be very interesting interesting. This is a very fluid situation. I mean you know I think back six months ago. I don't think any of US would have predicted. We would be here so I'm not taking anything. Anything is a foregone conclusion. I think the most interesting thing to do now is to watch the American people see if there's movement among in among core constituencies among the electorate And then also see what happens with you know. Moderate Republicans and more importantly Lee moderate Democrats. See if if Pelosi can hold on to her caucus to vote in favor of impeachment and see whether she can pick off any Republicans even even before we get to the Senate. That's what I'm looking for. Wow you're not even sold. That articles of impeachment are going to pass out of the house. Was I think it is very likely Pelosi as votes to do it right very very very very likely but okay but let me say this if we get to a point and it's two three four five weeks hence and public opinion hasn't moved and remember you know not a single Republican voted to even authorize this impeachment investigation and two Democrats. Even voted voted against. I think there is a chance small chance but a chance that we should keep an eye out for that. If not a single Republican votes in favor of impeachment and and Pelosi doesn't get her caucus and maybe even loses some members in addition to those two maybe maybe some people are going to be asking her to look for an off ramp You know that's pretty intriguing possibility. I think a counterpoint to that would be that a lot of Democrats were watching closely Last last week at the elections across the country trying to test out whether or not donald trump was right when he kept saying that. You know impeach me all you want. This is just going to REV UP MY BASE REV up my people they're going to come out in droves because they're upset that you're trying to kick me out it didn't really materialize Yeah I am. Let's be clear. I'm not saying my scenarios the likely scenario right. But I don't think it's a crazy scenario and I think it's wanted to keep an eye on and and and we know speaker. Pelosi has been concerned about talking about impeachment as a way to motivate the base. Yeah so many months. That's right and I I. I would assume because the Democrats have data showing that people vote because of jobs they vote because a healthcare they vote because they vote for because all these these things and maybe maybe you know impeachment. Maybe Ukraine isn't one of those things that either moves undecided. Voters are gets Democrats. That's author balls. Ross I want you to hear what Kellyanne Conway the adviser to the president. said this morning on Fox News And about why she thinks wchs. These hearings are not going to go the way the Democrats expect them to go and then tell me which one of your main arguments defense you Kellyanne Conway is fitting into here. Here she is every witness this up there so far has said I assumed I interpreted. It's conjecture I heard it from. Somebody heard it from somebody heard it from somebody and here. Here's my interpretation. Folks that is not how we impeach and remove presidents who are democratic elected. That's how the cheerleaders find out which which one of them is going to be asked to the prom by the quarterback. Look at from cheerleaders and quarterbacks. I wasn't a quarterback Wasn't on the football team but I don't think that's going to be one of the key selling points and and and these are the just to be clear. These aren't my point. These are the house. Republicans I argued which of these of those four main arguments. You think she's trying to fit into here. Jeez I I think I think I think this may be sort of a different one. Okay and I think one of the challenges is you know. There isn't a cohesive coherent defense defense coming out of the White House Because I think there's still a lot we don't know and I think the Republicans and the president may not think that there needs to be one yet. You know really right now. The Republicans are probably doing this kind of pulling blocks etta Jenga Tower because it's the Democrats that have to build that tower to meet that high bar of impeachment. And you know no wonder. You're struggling to sort of fit Kellyanne into the house. Democrats into the House House Republican defense. Because as you said David they're operating on slightly different planes. You know what's not in those Republican House. Republican talking points is that this was a perfect perfect phone call with Ukraine and the president has been begging and pleading with them to make that case. If you look at his tweets he is asking in his allies to make that case that it was a perfect call they even printed up t shirts right at his rallies that say read the transcript. They're not making that case. Yeah they're making a similar case but they are not saying there's a perfect call and I wonder if as we get deeper into this and trump doesn't hear what he wants to hear you're from his allies in Congress that they may be taken more You know a more disciplined in legalistic approach as opposed to his PR approach. Is he going to get upset. Ross why do you think that a perfect calls not listed in those talking points I think it's because it's going to be tough to say it's a perfect call all because it's not just about the call and the perfect call does not explain rudy. You know the the the president's personal lawyer is running around conducting diplomacy seemingly with the president's blessing on behalf of the United States a perfect call. Defense it does not explain rudy at all. You've got to go to a different approach to explain Rudy Fascinating Marshall Final question for you looking forward to next week. Yeah I know we've got Taylor and Kent tomorrow who you looking forward to next week on the witness. Stand that you think is gonNA drive this entire saga. Yeah I mean Democrats clearly think this is phase one you know and tomorrow is going to be enormous. But they've got stuff up their sleeve for next week. I really think you're going to hear the names Fiona Hill a lot and Alexander Veneman. Those are two officials Formerly and currently at the White House National Security Council these are experts career folks. I military people that know. Actually what they're talking about when it comes to Russia and Ukraine and I read hundreds of pages of transcripts. It was damning stuff so we'll we'll see that publicly probably as soon as next week. Marshall Ross thank you so much for joining me on the daily. DC Impeachment Watch and thanks to our listeners. We've got a new episode for you every weeknight so please make sure to subscribe on Apple. 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UFC Predictions with Pina  UFC Fight Night 149 Saint Petersburg: Overeem vs. Oleinik

Sports Gambling Radio - By BangTheBook

21:25 min | 1 year ago

UFC Predictions with Pina UFC Fight Night 149 Saint Petersburg: Overeem vs. Oleinik

"Friday nights Sunday brunch. Does not matter. Backs are facts Queen every cigarette can cut your life short by then hearts believe. Then tap the banner for more this free life freedom to be tobacco-free. Well, what's it got everybody? It. Thank you for joining me here on this Friday. April nineteenth addition obeying the McGrady. Oh, my name is Adam Burke going to be a special edition here as we chat with Christian. Pena of the sports gambling podcast about you have see fight night. One forty nine over in Russia. I will tell you right now, we're probably going to butcher at least two thirds of the names on this card here. So don't be surprised when that happens. Lots of great stuff going on over the book dot com right now, and it show an NBA play-offs my daily MLB picks you missed yesterday's emission of the better box. Make sure you go back and check that out of another one coming up here on Monday than also do an NFL draft podcast with some props and some analysis here coming up on Tuesday. But for today we're chatting with Christian Pena of the sports gambling podcast about you have see Christian. How's it going? Today. Man good man that was a good week of fights last week. We are back in full steam ahead with the UFC. But if you said why six fights in a row, so every weekend will have something for everybody as we move forward here. Mansa great time. Yeah. Definitely is a lot of stuff coming up here for you over the next six weeks as you mentioned, but we got an interesting card here this week over in Russia, and you and I were talking about before we hit the record button here on this thing that there are a lot of not unknown fighters. I guess, but a lot of fighters that really haven't been exposed to this type of caliber fighter or even though some guys that are actually unknowns. Yeah. In Russia is very weird Mendes. Russia. It was the breeding ground was kind of looked at as the mecca for kind of upping, you know, transitioning over from boxing into breeding and training UFC type of fighters mixed. Martial arts really is taken over there in you know, to be seen with the comedian America made offs basically anything that ends in NFL v. You're looking down the line in their these minus three hundred favorites as these kind of quote, unquote, green prospect. In truth, Nigeria. I think is really going to be kind of the next wave of that we've seen that from nigga new from whose meant so there's gonna you know, it's really interesting to see how these countries kind of come up. But as you said, I mean, these kind of when you look at these unknown Russian fighters, it's a very different type of situation when the quality of opponent that they are fighting on the regional scene, which is basically minor leagues where the UFC other companies Ballatore kind of pull from is the best in the world bar, none. So it's a little that's kind of why you're seeing this. When you look at these up and coming prospect fighters making their debuts being such big favorites. It's just because there's so much more ready than when the typical you have cedar UFC fighter came into the game. So long ago. Well, I think we have to talk about this obvious and we've kind of touched on this before with different international events. And also, we've had some events this year in states where you know, we haven't seen too many UFC cards, obviously, judging becomes a pretty big factor here in Russia. Correct. Yeah. It's not Brazil. But it's close. Honestly. And so that needs to go into your handicapping foreshore. I mean, we've seen agreed GIS stuff on kind of both ends for hometown guys delivery as Russia corrupt. I mean. Yeah, you can make your own decisions on that to me. It's you know, if you think that about Brazil, I would kind of caution you, or at least tell you to keep dining consideration when it comes to a place like Russia as well. And this is the second time hair the first visit I should say to Saint Petersburg's second in Russia. And you know, so we don't have a large sample size of data here for you of see cards in Russia. But you know, we can make some inferences certainly here in you know, as we kind of look at that here. Let's look at this made of the heavyweight division Alastair over 'em Alexi ole. And again, like I said, we're probably gonna put your half these names, at least, I know I will OB as this fight here over in about a two dollar and fifty cents favourite here for this one is the line surprise you in this in this matchup. Nope in when you look at a guy like Olympic sinecure. I look over him as a guy I have nothing really don't wanna say underrated. Because I do think he gets you know respect, but maybe not to the level that he deserves for. You know, who he has been inside the UFC even four mixed martial arts. Look as a whole. I can't believe the guy is ever fighting again after the unbelievable knockout of you know, to Francis. And in no, it's a picture of blown-up signed and framed in my home office because I think it's one of the coolest it, you know, it's an iconic shot in to be on the other end of that that is a life changing knockout, and for, you know, a guy like over him to not only be like living in walking to be fighting is absolutely incredible. In such a testament to the type of warrior that he is in. So look, this is I believe it's what sixty third fight for a guy like over even when you look through his career, see not just in the AFC kickboxing all that type of stuff. But the guy has been through it in fight years. He is a lot older than his thirty eight age, which is, you know, incredible to even think about our say, but look this is your basic striker verse grappler, I know, it's cliche, but it really comes to fruition here Alice strove rim has these striking advantage over you know, he usually does over everyone just about not named Francis. Nigga new while Lynn. Nick is called the Bulla constrictive for a reason. It does not take much for him to get in close take someone's back, and they usually submit, you know, very very closely after that. So it's you know, again, you look at his pro record seventy fights. I believe forty five of them in front of me are by submission. So it's really really the kind of two contracting styles. Here Olympic is going to want to get in close. Take a over him down. Who does have great takedown defense and ovary means to keep this at distance and knock yet to close in again, whichever kind of style you prefer there is likely where the winner is going to come from. I think that this one wouldn't see the scorecards on look, I this is one of the things we talked about I can't lay a minus two forty five on Alastair over him at this stage. It's just a it's not a not a price. I'm lane to to do at all. I think a, you know over him by knockout, if you're going to go that route make some some sense when the market gets out there or Olympic by submission, those are generally the to past victories that I that I see there. But if you asked me make a pick. I I have to lean what the underdog just based on price alone. Now, this was. A fight changes was supposed to be Alexander Volkov in this one against over him on the fight change to happen. The first week of April an Olympic thing about him is that he actually had another fight scheduled for early may winds up getting switched to this card. So both guys were prepping for a different opponent as recently, as you know, about fifteen days ago. Yeah. And that's the thing. Right. I mean, it gets to move up to Russia. I mean, why wouldn't he do this and take this opportunity? And really like I said, I don't think this is as big of a lopsided fight as these odds, it would indicate to you. Now is it a little bit? You know, again, we talk past victory is it more likely that ovary m- winds shore. But our Lennox certainly has a path to victory and he's shown time and time again, he does not need much. But it makes all the sense in the world for Olympic who. Again, if it does go to the scorecards is going to have hometown judges in his corner. So that it cannot be understated as well. So the last of three heavyweight fights on the card, we'll touch on the other ones as we go throughout the show here. But let's move to the lightweight division. We're Islam Akayev's a huge favourite almost four. Favorite against they newcomer here to the UFC break this down for us Christian. Yeah. Look much has making seventh appearance in looking for his fifth straight win. He is very good. He looks like a mini could even America made off the name Sunray up there in the same camp probably distant cousins at some point like this. This family is extended in March of trains with them. He is in incredible talent when you look at the other side with Sarkin, and look he is I I don't understand again. This is kind of the the overwhelming theme here. Again, this price is too long. He's going to get all he can handle in then some that being market chef year. So again, I wouldn't I think that this is a case of something being too much too soon and sake and likely takes a loss here, but he will rebound. An I have you know, I think that the future will be bright for him. You know, he has he's on twelve twelve win streak in the Russian original seen which cannot be understated nine of those being finishes. He's fought just about everywhere. So he obviously. Took this call from the UFC when this happened. So it makes a ton of sense for him to hear, you know, look, he's gonna pay his dues. I think this is likely one that does see the scorecards over two and a half depending on where that comes out likely to be a play out there as long as the juice is perfectly within range. They're both of these guys belong in the UFC, especially the up and comer making his debut here. It's just a little bit too much too soon. I think that everything that's can does market. Chef just does a little bit a little bit. But better, you know, and it's a little bit marginal. At this point. He's just a better version of the twenty two year old making his debut at this point. But I really see this. This fight going to the scorecards. It's going to be a grimy dirty boxing up against the cage on the mat wrestling match where anybody can get caught in transition in scramble. And I think this is probably a gross. Nobody knows who wins who lost type of split decision where talking really proves himself here. And as we talk about the regional scene. You know, we talk about newcomers you have see and trying to evaluate who they've fought. On their path to the highest level. We there are some very legit promotions. Here. This isn't like backwoods US promotions that you'll rookie North American fighters. Come from these guys are pretty battle-tested by the time, they get to this level. Yeah. And that's about saying again, I think that usually the UFC because they know the marketability in the following. You know, what these Russian fighters can bring to the sport genuinely liked to give them a showcase fight in their first type of fights we've seen this. We saw it with ink alive Paul Craig in against ball, Greg and all that type of stuff I know that when didn't go as way, but we've seen it time and time again and for some guys the bright lights are going to get to them in. We'll be seen that maybe into Google off. It's come to fruition that some of these hyped up prospects were able to run through the Russian regional seen some weren't. But for the majority of them, it's a much higher success rate than again, the, you know, when you're coming from that type of background in that type of competition than North America for shore, Sergei, Pavlovich favourite and the other heavyweight fight on the main card here in the minus two seventy range is. Is this one where you just sort of start with the underdogs? It's a heavyweight fight. That's probably going to have a stoppage or does Pavlovich deserve this big line. Yeah. This fight is not gonna last long. So if you're a casual fan looking for violence, I think this is your fight for shore. It's not often you have a plus to thirty underdog that is has never been finished in a heavy white heavyweight fight that is going to in my estimation end in a knockout, so from that point of view completely. I have to know lean or at least go that way from initial price perspective of leaning with Marcello gome, look so good pal which is a Mack truck. And he hits like one in. He's a little bit of a different fighter because Russians in him coming from Russia are usually wrestlers by nature right again. The shining example always will negatively it off who has no striking hellish is the exact opposite. I mean, six three and he is built like it in throws hands with the best of them. So it's you know, I it's a little bit weird there. But when you talk about, you know, what's more likely to happen know, someone's going to get. Knocked out you start with the underdog philosophically who has never been finished his even better as five knockouts of his own. And again Pavlovich twelve wins nine of them being knockouts three decisions. So, you know, philosophically, this is one of those things that you maybe it doesn't come to fruition this car. But if you play these types of underdogs long enough, you're gonna make money in the long run. So that's definitely what it's all about. One light heavyweight fight on the main card to on the card over all here I've on Sterkel off and Devin Clark. And once again, I apologize if I'm butchering these names here, but Devin Clark, a guy that we kind of know stroke off a guy that we don't know. So what do you think about the line in the match up here, again, usually these type of prospects get kind of favourable matchups here. And that's you know, it's a little bit of the case. I mean, minus one seventy five for a UFC somebody making their debut usually is little bit low. I would say or a little bit high unless they again have these type of things going look this is. He is sure is built like a physical freak of nature a has a little bit of John, you know, body type to you know, after coming into his own here absolutely has been killing everyone. And it is you know, he has fought former UFC fighters as lay have to back to back wins off of those type of guys. And he is like I said physically when you see this guy. I mean, granted that's not everything we've seen that time and time again with a guy like Eric Anders, even you know. Silvas of the world. I mean, physical physical gifts definitely aren't everything. But when you're talking about this type of of fight in this type of breakdown, I think it's just going to be far too much. We look at the medicine for a guy like a and Clark now on the other side when you look at Pacific three Devin Clark here. What's what is his path? It's to win a decision. How's he going to do that? He's going to try to use his wrestling which again, he does have a little advantage. But he he's at least alarm more on par than his striking. That is for sure. So if he's able to frustrate him a little bit look at you know, trying to keep them on the ground. I think that he could potentially again talking past victory that is his I there's no I don't see a situation where Clark is able to finish off. I just don't I mean, the name his nickname or Earl hulk really says it all the guy looks like the whole key hits like the hulk, and I don't see, you know, gold. I'm sorry. Not going. I just don't see Clark being able to weather. This storm long enough. He has shown the propensity to be able to do that. But it's just the athleticism explosiveness and striking power is going to be too much for him there. All right. So we've got one women's fight on the card here. It has this shift chanko just not the one that. You're most familiar with in fact, it's her older sister who took a twelve year break from a now she's back now she's been fighting a little bit more regularly. Are we going to be impressed with what we see here from the elder ship Janko? Yeah. You really are. If if you haven't seen her, I think a lot of people when you even look at Antony Shevchenko verse Valentina think that she is the much younger sister. And of course in fight years. She certainly is. But look this goes back to let's start at the beginning Iraq's modifier. God bless her one of my favorite fades in again. No three to over the past. When you look at the kind of the levels of competition. This to me is a when not if type of fight I think Shevchenko. Oh makes a great parlay piece. I don't know. I mean, look matter phase looked a little bit better than even I've given her credit for as of late. I certainly see that. So it's probably most likely to be a decision when you look at this. But look Shevchenko two knockouts five decisions and again, different quality of competition than even Roxanne modified who's fought kind of the gas cans throughout the world. And look God bless her has made a career of it. But she is flat out outclassed in every single metric that the UFC key keeps here looks significant strikes. Accuracy absorbed defense takedown averages take down at you. You name it. And she does Shevchenko has the advantage here. So I even think there's a little bit of value on this minus three fifty. I can't imagine a scenario outside of a Shevchenko breaking lemon sign an octagon meaning to quit that modifies able to get this job done. Just doesn't have what it takes against this type of caliber flyweight. So we're looking as you mentioned a minus three fifty ish favorites. So maybe the open parlay row. We talk about open parlays, one of the first shows that we did what you Kirsten who else on this main card would fit the Bill as pairing with ship Janko, and it opened parlay. Yeah. It's a little bit difficult when you look down this line because I think the open parlay makes a ton of sense. Is there anyone on here that I would really trust to close that with the certainty? No for me when I do when I looked to make an open parlay. It has nothing to do with odds in that estimate. I'm not just going to go back and circle a minus three hundred or higher. I have to feel my kind of standard for that. And I have to feel that the next fighter that I'm going to input that and I've waited three four five weeks for that kind of happen here in the past. So to me, I don't think there's another one on this car. Just because there's you know, very, I just don't see a path to victory for modifying. And I can't say that about basically any other fight on this card. So I would wait and utilize an open parlay and flapping is always available to you as well. So as we look at the rest of the card here kind of bounce around a little bit and touch with some of the things that you like it also keeps me from saying a lot of the. His name's but what else on this card? Are you looking to take advantage of? Yeah. Round prop not out. But one of the ones I'm looking to definitely attack towards an over as Marsin tebow reverse she's Shamila came off. Now, this fights in me has kind of ugly heavyweight slop fest awful fans booing, they think it's heavyweight they think they're going to see a knockout, and it is the exact opposite. I mean, just because it is heavyweight both guys have obviously finished is in the past. Maybe I can get even get, you know, a, you know, a little bit of a price drop on that. Which would be great. Hopefully, even maybe a one and a half would be a perfect scenario for around prop there. But this is just a when you look at these two guys stylistically and how they match up both of them want to do the same thing. They want to kind of come together go up against the cage and try to assert themselves. But neither does it particularly well in so, you know, gas tanks could be an issue here lay or when you're talking about options, but these guys are going to cruise for the entire duration, and I don't think either fighter. Ever shown a hurry. Now. Both guys certainly had what I would call. I want to say the word fluke, but they fed knockouts kind of out of nowhere. But with these styles of both these guys they always tend to kind of start there, and they just kind of caught people for sure. So to me this one is without question going to be a split decision with very little output. Neither both fighters fighting to not lose because they both fight such a similar slow paced style here. So around prop of over. If it's in that range makes a ton of sense there as the first one on the kind of the prelims anything else, you're looking at in the pre limb, you know, as I've looked through this card, and I've really tried to kind of find stuff that there's not a ton on this during the prelims that kind of really really stuck out to me another round prop that did was Keita knock Amore versus healthy. No leave look Aleve is somebody that I've been very high on a return after seven years back in two thousand fifteen and kind of gone five hundred he's four and six at the moment based on that overall career embodiment, but that. Being said, this is something that you're going to have to look at past victory in it's all because of takedown defense in this one Aleve that is one kind of kryptonite and nakimora can do that. And not steal rounds. Doing that. I think that this is going to be something much like a little bit different version of smaller version of the fight that I just talked about we're both guys are incredibly careful. Neither one of them want to kind of lose this fight. They're going to both fight in that exact manner in my estimation. So I think that a kind of slow paced grind wrestling type of matchup is really what's going to happen. Here. Dirty boxing up against the cage with Aleve and knock over two and a half is what's likely to be hung there as well. So some good thoughts here on UFC fighting at one forty nine or you have c- on ESPN plus seven you can read Christians preview over it. Bang the book dot com Christian before let you go. I'm sure you haven't dug too deep into next week. So that you have on ESPN three. But this one looks like a pretty good cards. I'm sure we'll have a lot to talk about next week. Absolutely, man. You know, it's it's kind of goes in waves. I feel like with what? The the UFC is trying to do right now. I mean, jock Ray and Hermansson is going to be a great fight. I mean, we have the returning Greg hardy, as you know, that was somebody that I faded as a pretty big favorite. I mean able to get what I would call a you know, luck bucks win. But that is always something you need in this. I mean, Mike Perry fights are always entertaining one way or another kit minutes, John hands of stone, liquor Corey San Hagan so top to bottom that one. We'll have you know, I think there's a lot more talk about their than just kind of this Russian showcase type of card that we have now definitely something far less or s- look forward to then next. Friday's. We talked about that you have see on ESPN three card. Christopher piano of the sports gambling podcast at Christian pinup, a on Twitter and his preview over banged the book dotcom, Krista. Thanks so much. I appreciate it. We'll talk to you next week. All right, man. Enjoy the fights. We'll talk soon. 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Dr. Mark Hoffman, Research Associate Professor at the University of Missouri, Kansas City

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Dr. Mark Hoffman, Research Associate Professor at the University of Missouri, Kansas City

"Welcome to the site of accents podcast. Where we explore emerging ideas from signs, policy economics, and technology. My name is Gill eappen. We talk with woods leading academics and experts about the recent research or generally of topical interest. Scientific senses at unstructured conversation with no agenda or preparation. Be Color a wide variety of domains red new discoveries are made. and New Technologies are developed on a daily basis. The most interested in how new Ideas Affect Society? And, help educate the world how to pursue rewarding and enjoyable life rooted in signs logic at inflammation. V seek knowledge without boundaries or constraints and provide unaided content of conversations bit researchers and leaders who low what they do. A companion blog to this podcast can be found at scientific sense dot com. And displayed guest is available on over a dozen platforms and directly at scientific sense. Dot? Net. If you have suggestions for topics, guests at other ideas. Please send up to info at scientific sense dot com. And I can be reached at Gil at eappen Dot Info. Mike yesterday's Dr Mark Hoffman, who is a research associate professor in the University of Minnesota Against City. He is also chief research inflammation officer in the children's Mussa hospital in Kansas City. Kiss research interests include health data delayed indication sharing initialisation Boca Mark. Thank you for inviting me. Absolutely. So I start with one of your papers Kato you need the use by our system implementation in defy date data resource from hundred known athlete off my seasons. So Michio inflicted. Data aggregated for marketable sources provide an important resource for my medical research including digital feel typing. On. Like. Todd beat to from a single organization. Guitar data introduces a number of analysis challengers. So. So you've worked with some augmentation log and in almost all cases be used. Data coming from that single macy's listen primary care behavioral. Or specialty hospitals and I always wondered you know wouldn't be nice. Get a data set. That sort of abrogates data from the radio on-ice. Asians but a lot of different challenges around that. So you wanted to talk a bit about that. I'd be happy to the resource that we've worked with. Is primarily a called health fax data resource. It's been in operation for almost twenty years. And the the the model is that organizations who are. Using these Turner Electronic. Health. Record. Enter into an agreement was turner they agreed to provide data rights to sern are. The identifies the date of affords aggregated into this resource. And certner provides data mapping, which is really critical to this type of work. It also the aggregate the data. And for the past probably six years. Then, they provide the full data set to especially academic contributors who want to do research with that resource. And I've been on both sides of that equation Lead that group during my career there, and then now I have the opportunity to really focus research on that type of data. So before we get into the details smog so e Itar Systems. So this is. Essentially patient records. So he gets dated like demographics out family history, surgical history hats, medications, lab solves it could have physician nodes no snow. So it's it's a combination of a variety of different types of data, right? A couple of things on the examples you gave it includes demographics. Discreet Laboratory results Medication orders. Many vitals so If access the blood pressure and pulse data. It does not include text notes because those can't be. Automatically identified consistently. So. We don't have access currently to TEX notes. Out of an abundance of caution. That his Hobby Stephen, physician writes something down they could use names they could use inflammation that could then point back to their. Patients Makita Perspective been the data's aggregated, the primary issue shoe that date has completely the identified, right? Correct. So. So yeah. So the data that we receive there's eighteen identifiers. Hip requires be removed from data. And those include obvious things like name address email addresses are another example One of the. Things. That is also part of the benefit of working with this particular resource. The. Dates of clinical service are not allowed to be provided under hip. White is done with this resource that allows us to still have a longitudinal view is. For any given patient in the data set the dates are shifted by A. Consistent. Pattern that for any given patient it can be. One two three four five weeks forward or one, two, three, four or five weeks backward. But that preserves things like day of the week effect. So for example, you see -nificant increase in emergency department encounters over weekends and you don't WanNa lose. Visibility to that. but it also allows us to receive. Very, granular early time stamped events in so. We can gain visibility into the time that a blood specimen was collected, and then the time that the result was reported back. And so we're able to do very detailed analyses with this type of resource. Right right and I don't know the audience our market is fragmented. Tau himself e Amorebieta providers out there. and so two issues. One is sort of. Standardization as to how these databases are designed and structured and others even that standardization that the actual collection of the data. In itself is not standardized played. So vk CAV vk potentially lot inability coming from different systems. Correct and that's part of what the paper that you mentioned Evaluates so. Often, night you out in the field in conferences you hear. Comparisons kind of lumping all organizations using one. Vendor lumping all using another together but as you get closer to it, you quickly learn that. It's not even clear. It's within those. Vendor markets. There's variation from organization to organization in how they use the e Hr and so. Because the identities of the. Contributing organizations are blinded to those of us who work with the data. We have to be creative about how we. Infer those implementation details, and so with this paper, we describe a couple of methods that We think move things forward towards that goal. Yes. So I'm not really familiar with that. So you mentioned a couple of things here. One is the the merge network. So this initiative including electric medical records and genomics network and pc off net the national patient, centered clinical research network support. Decentralized analyses that goes disparate systems by distributing standardized quotas to site. So this is a situation where you have multiple systems sort of. Communicating with each other and this net folks at allowing to sort of quickly them In some standardized fashion. So In this type of technology, there's janitorial core models. One is the. Federated or distributed model, the other is a centralized data aggregation. So there are examples including those that are mentioned in the paper where. Queries are pushed to the organization and. They need to do significant work upfront to ensure that there are standardizing their terminologies the same way. And once they do that upfront work than they're able to perform the types of queries that are distributed through those. Federated Networks. With. Okay. So that just one click on so that the police have standardized. So all on the at Josh site, then they have like some sort of a plan slater from from Stan Day squatty do all the data structure. And in many cases, they work through an intermediate technology. that would be. In general, consider it like a data warehouse. And so the queries are running against the production electric. Health record. That has all kinds of implications on patient care where you don't want to slow down performance. By using these intermediaries They can receive queries and then Follow that mapping has occurred. Than, they're able to to run those distributed queries. Okay. And the other model is You know. You say the g through the medical quality, improvement consortium and sooner to the health facts initiative. So this says in Sodas case, for example, in swags. This is essentially picking up data from the right deals, clients and Dan standardizing and centralizing data in a single database is that that is correct. One benefit of that model is that Organizations who for example, may not be academic and don't have the. Resources to do that data mapping themselves by handing out over that task over to the vendor you get a broader diversity of the types of organizations so you can have. A safety net hospitals you can have. Critical access rural hospitals, and other venues of care that are probably under represented in some of those. More academically driven models. And clearly the focus on healthcare about I would imagine applications in pharmaceutical out indeed to right I. Don't know if it s use and bad direction there has been some were performed with these data resources to. Characterize different aspects of medications, and so it does have utility in value. In a variety of. Analytical contexts. I was thinking about you know a lot of randomized clinical trials going on into Kuwait context and One of the issues of dispatch seem development toils that are going on that one could argue the population there are not really well to percents. it may be number by Auditees, men, people that deputy existing conditions. and. So he will serve at my come out of facedly trial. granted might work for the population. Tried it minority have sufficient? more largely. So I wanted this type of well I guess we don't really have an ID there right. So clearly, you don't know who these people are but they could be some clustering type analysis that might be interesting weight from It's very useful for Health Services Research and for outcomes research for you know what I characterize digital phenotype being. they can then guide. More, more formal research. you know you can use this type of resource to. Make sure. You're asking a useful question and make sure that there's likely to be. Enough patients who qualify for given study. Maybe you're working on a clinical trial in your casting your net to narrow you can. Determine that with this type of data resource. And is the eight tiff date who has access to it typically. So for this data resource on, it's through the vendor so. You need to have some level of footprint with them. which is the case with our organization. They're definitely a broadening their strategies. So they're. Gaining access into health systems that aren't exclusively using their electronic health records so. It's exciting to be a part of that that process. and to again work with them to. Analyze the data. I think. To the example you gave a formal randomized trials. In key part of what were growing our research to focus on is because this is real world data. You learn what's happening in practice whether or not it's well aligned with guidelines or formal protocols. And doing that there's many opportunities for near-term interventions that can improve health outcomes simply by. Identifying where providers may be deviating more from. Best Practices in than taking steps through training and education to kind of get them back towards those best practices. This data is a fresh on a daily basis. It's not. It's because it's so large and bulky? Typically we've received it on a quarterly basis in since it's retrospective analysis that's not been a major barrier. But. mechanistically, on onto soon aside is data getting sort of picked up from this system that it's harvested every day and then it's aggregated bundled and distributed on A. On a different timescale. Okay okay. So. From again, going to the, it's our system designed issue and implementation You say many HR systems comprised of more news at specific clinical processes or unit such as Pharmacy Laboratory or surgery talked about that. But then then people implement them this of fashion right they they implement modules by that can be a factor or sometimes they may want. One vendor for their primary electronic health record, but another vendor for their laboratory system. and so that's where you don't see a hundred percent usage of every module and every organization. And detailed number of different you know sort of noise creating issues in data one. This is icy speech over from ICT denied ten. and I don't know history of this but this was supposed to be speech with sometime in twenty fifteen. That's correct. So there is A. You know. There's a date in October of Twenty fifteen where most organizations were expected to have completed that transition. When I see with researchers who aren't as familiar with the you know the whole policy landscape around `electronic health records that? you can imagine researchers who assumed that all data before that date in October is is nine and all data after that date would be icy the ten. While we demonstrate in this paper, is that that transition was not Nearly, that clean and it was a much more, you know there are some organizations who just It the bullet and completed in twenty fourteen, and there are other organizations that were still lagging. In. Two Thousand Sixteen. Potentially because they weren't as exposed to those incentives in other things that you know stipulated the transition so. Part of why were demonstrating with that particular part of that work was that. you know these transitions aren't always abrupt. Yeah and and and so that is one issue and then you know a lot of consistency inconsistency issues fade. So we see that in in single systems and one of the items note here as you know if you think about the disposition code for death. you could have a right your race supercenter, right? It's a death expire expedite at home hospice, and so on. if this is a problem for a single system, but then many think about aggregating data from multiple sources this this problem sort of increased exponentially. Absolutely. So one of the challenges with documenting and and finding where you know if a patient has A deceased that. There's just multiple places to put that documentation in the clinical record. The Location in the record that. We have found to be the most consistent is what's called discharge disposition. By as we show in that analysis, that field is not always used document that and so if you're doing outcomes research and one of your key. Outcome metrics is death. And there are organizations that. Aren't documenting death in a place that successful. You should filter those out of your analysis before moving forward. And so part of what we wanted to promote is the realization that. That's the type of consideration that needs to be made The four. Publishing. Your data about an outcome metrics like death that. You're not. If you're never gonNA see that outcome it doesn't mean that people are. Dying in that particular facility, it just means it's not documented in the place that successful. Right. Yeah. So you know you on your expedience. Unique Position Mark because you you look at it from the from the vendor's perspective you're in an academic setting you're also in practice in a hospital. What's your sense of these things improving the on a track of getting getting this more standardize or it's camping in the other direction I think in general there is improvement I think The. Over the past eleven years through various federal mandates, including meaningful use and so forth. Those of all incentive organizations to utilize. Standard terminologies more consistently than was the case beforehand. I think there's still plenty of room for improvement and You know it's it's a journey, not a destination, but I think things have improved substantially. I was wondering there could be some applications of artificial intelligence here to In a clearly TATECO systems and you'd like the most them pity human resource intensive Yvonne to get it completely right. So one question would be you know, could be actually used a Dick needs to get it maybe ninety nine percent white. And that the human deal with exceptions I definitely think that that's an exciting direction that You want those a algorithms to be trained with good data, and that's a big part of what's motivated us to. Put this focus on data quality and Understanding these strange nuances that are underpinning that date has so that. As we move towards a in machine learning and so forth. We have a high level of confidence in the data that's training those algorithms. Right. Yeah. I think that a huge opportunity here because it's not quite as broad as NFL, not natural language processing it is somewhat constrained. that is a good part of it. The back part of it is that is highly technical. and so. you know some of the techniques you know you can have a fault tolerance in certain dimensions such as you know, misspellings lack of gambling and things like that. But as you have Heidi technical data, you cannot apply those principles because he could have misspelling the system may not be able to. Get, sometimes, and that's where you know I think. It's totally feasible to use. Resources to you know when you're dealing with. Tens of millions of patients and billions of detailed records. Using a I'd even identify those patterns of either. Inconsistent data or missing data it's also very powerful just to. kind of flag in identified. Areas that need to be focused on to lead to a better analysis. Greg Wait Be Hefty. Use that information somehow did is a belt of information that you know and so it just filtering into decision processes that the are really losing it. So hopefully getting improving in that dimension I've jumping to another paper bittersweet interesting. So it's entitled rates and predictors of using opioids in the Emergency Department Katrina Treat Mike Dean in Young Otto's and so so this is sort of a machine learning exercise you have gone through to locate you know coup is getting prescribed. OPIOIDS water the conditions for the Democrat not Nestle demographics but different different maybe age and things like that gender. and and then ask the question desert has some effect on addiction. In the long term rights. So that project To great example of team science though. We. Assembled a team of subject matter experts in neurology pain management. And Data Science and. The neurologist and pain management experts. Identified an intriguing question that we decided to pursue with data. In their question was. Based on anecdotal observation and so we thought it'd be interesting to see how well the data supported that. Observation is that. for youth and young adults Treated or admitted into the emergency. Department. With a migraine headache that. All too often they were treated with an opioid. And so we Use the same day to resource that we were discussing earlier. To explore that. Question. And using data from a hundred and eighty distinct emergency departments. We found that on average twenty, three percent of those youth and young adults were treated with. An opioid medication while they were in the emergency department. In general, it should be almost zero percent in general. There's really Better medications to us, four people presenting with a migraine. and. So this fits into obviously the OPIOID crisis it. it demonstrates the. Scenario describing that. You know using real world data. You can identify patterns of clinical behavior that. Don't match guideline. And the good news is that the? correctable and so through. Training and communication there's great opportunity to. To, manage this. Really. Striking. So fifteen thousand or so inevitably the encounters. And nearly a quarter of this encounters you say involved inoculate. and these are not just Misha and Congress right. It is not filtered down to migraine encounters. Okay. Okay. So these fifteen thousand just might in encounters might vein being repeating disease So once you. If you make a statement and. This or not Easter conditioning issue here. So you get your pain, you go to an emergency department and you get treated with an opioid you get quick tactical relief. From pain. auditing condition expect that in the next episode. So you can say we didn't pursue that particular question, but that is Definitely key part of. Managing the OPIOID crisis is that drug seeking behavior and so Part of our goal was to quantify that and use this as an opportunity to educate providers that. You really shouldn't be treating migraines with an opioid in there are better alternatives and. So we we felt that this was an important contribution to that national dialogue, but we didn't specifically pursue the question of whether the patients we analyzed. Within. Encounter show up Subsequently. With the same symptoms. Right right. Yeah you it develop into period when problematic patterns of drug use comedy. FEST MERGE THE PREVALENCE RATE OF OPIOID misuse estimated to be two to four percent and debts in each goofy just young adult drew from overdoses are rising. and. You say that literally prescribe IOS has been slumping loose future opioid misuse by thirty three percent. Betas Mehta say really huge number. I think just validates the importance of this of this work. Interesting mark. I don't know you exploded on data. Last the question if you look at the aggregate data, it'd be flying opioid. Misuse. what percentage of the total number. Actually started from. You know some sort of medical encounter has mike or some sort of. related encounter that could be completed otherwise was three a bit opioid. in that encounter documented resulted in that misuse. So what so If you look at the active misuse problem that we have today. do you have a sense of what percentage of that goal is actually started I? Think the exciting thing about this type of research is for everyone questioned that you pursue you have. You have ten new that you can pursue. We haven't. Delved into that specific area, but it's It's very ripe for further analysis and A considerable part of where I end my colleagues and our time as. We do this type of work to get an initial analysis published. And then You know in my leadership role I just WANNA. support people like my colleagues on this paper Mark Connelly Jennifer Bickel. in in using data to. Support their research into identify those follow. I mean, he tests policy implications. So it's sweet important work. and. If you find it direct relationship here than you have to ask you know from from a medical perspective what is right intervention? maybe is not just added of care just best practice but clearly should be the bay You know things should be looked at you say you're American Academy of Neurology has included avoidance of using opioid to treat gain one of stop top flight choosing wisely recommendations. For high-value duck in this gives Really evidence to to support that. The other thing that's really intriguing is this level of variation from site to site in. Some Sun facilities are very much aligned with the guidelines. Others are at the you know well, above twenty three percent. And that gives an opportunity for a really precision. conversations about you know, where does our organization stand on that spectrum? Yeah that's a that's an interesting avenue to right. So you know one could ask he says some sort of push sliced Intervention if we can fly goal of patients who who had gone an opioid sexually don't have an addiction problem. that as you know Anna, the kofoed does. if you can fly those type of patterns than you can think about. A customized within electronic health record systems. There's. The ability to provide decisions poor. There's certainly phenomena called pop up fatigue were physicians. You know they don't like having so many pop up windows but at the same time. It's Within the capability of an e e Hr to do that if then logic if patient has. migraine medication order equals opioid. encourage the provider to pause and reconsider that. Right, right and so this is supervised machine learning type analysis where so you have. you have number features that comes directly from each else. So each sex race ethnicity. insurance type. Encounter prostate suggest duration. time of the year and so on. and you have labeled data in this case I guess you have able tater because you would know if op- inscribed on trade. Okay and so are the two questions here. One is to ask the question given a new patient and those features. you could assign a probability that that patient will be prescribed will. Definitely. Impress the data from that predictive Minds. Right and then can you so that data definitely tell you if the patient is going to progress into some sort of an addiction issue. So. Earn Predicting Substance Abuse. So. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's additional diagnosis codes that document. whether a patient has a history of substance abuse disorder. and. So it would be feasible to. Identify the with those diagnosis codes in than really look at their prior history. Of What other conditions were they treated for? What medications were they give in? to develop that model. One of the things in this case that helped with this study is that just in general, it's not advised get. So there are other things that are much more of a gray area. Or whether opioid is as useful, but in this case. The really not. Considered. To be helpful for migraines compared to other options and so that help us have a fairly clear cut scenario to do this work. Yeah. This this won't be the data like you say once you do something like this, you have been other things you could. You could stop asking. So unquestioned that that been to my mind as you know, how did they hugged the actually prescribing opioids? Is it the patient asking for it all so? Off that was another scoping thing with this project is focused on what happens within the emergency. Room. So it's it's. Really, medication order in administration that happens. In that emergency room setting. Whether or not the patient. was. Requesting that you know if they came in and said, this has worked for me before. Can I have it again? we don't have visibility to that. Right. Right. And so from a practical perspective So the the analysis that you did slightly ended up with the Family Clyde power we think it is. Compelling. Pretty compelling. So as as a new patient gets into e D either high. and what I mean by that probably is if there is a history of substance abuse property. the physician has really think twice about. The use of may be the well, and in this case, even without that history. Just because it's not considered to be an effective treatment. You know encouraging them to pause in that decision making. In this particular case is as effective as wall. Right. So looking forward. In if you think about both of these issues, one is the data quality data aggregation data standardized recent problem in the the right of Utah Systems have did that the talked about? And then if we can get to a level that we can look at cross a large data set. Beacon, ask. More. US specific questions, treatment. Optimum treatment type questions. subpoenaed. US The mark big think B be hunting. Certainly, the volume and variety of data that we're able to work with will be even greater I, think the. Opportunity To. Look, holistically at how upstream data capture. Effects Downstream data. Analysis. example I frequently give is if we have a Aggregate Data said we identify. Ten patients whose way in that data such shows up as being. Something that's completely infeasible. let's say they're documented is being. Fifty year old person who weighs two pounds. Clearly air. What's important is? Creating the process to communicate that back upstream. Because that clinical decision. Support. Many drug dosing things are evaluated using weight based logic and so. That same logic that's Evaluating the appropriateness of dosage. It's going to be running against an incorrect value in that may or may not always be visible. So I really am intrigued with that holistic opportunity. In it I am I remain just we have three or four additional papers coming out. About other examples where Provider behaviors not aligned with Best Practices and I'm just excited about you know when you compare that to how long it takes to develop a new drug or how long it takes to. To a really long term research. This research has the opportunity for a pretty quick turnaround on an effective intervention. A really that. Other so much that right. Providers. been taught in a no, but they're. Not always using that in practice and so to help them. Identify, those topics in just modifying behaviors is. In the scheme of things, it's a very straightforward way to improve. So. You know the entire spectrum from essentially getting the data. Right or cleaner like you know Missa mischaracterized or miss input data like wait or something like that. To to get. Better diagnosis better treatment modalities. policies there and from a femme perspective clearly inflammation therefore clinical trials. I was even thinking about drug interaction type. Inflammation. I haven't been involved in the former de for awhile but. Typically, this type of data doesn't get back into automatic processes that fast but I think that is all I know there's strong interest in Pharma in. Working with this type of data there a again looking at real world behavior. This is an excellent resource for off label medication use at. you know where Pharma's Always interested in repurposing existing medications the. Regulatory Processes, much more straightforward for that because the safety is already been. Evaluated and so. The. Significant Opportunity With this, there's also just exciting. Patterns of you know. What are those unrecognised correlations? That's where the machine learning opportunities are really exciting where. You know we're not always asking the right question. And the data can show us what we should be. Yeah exactly. So if the machine a sort of red flags something or create hypotheses. that Cubans have missed sometimes, those types of things are extremely powerful. because maybe that sometimes it's countering tutor. and so we all look at data with an Incan bias. The beauty of machines that at least on the surface began deploy Michigan. This volume of data. Techniques like machine deep learning can recognize those subtle but consistent associations. Wait quite. Excellent. Idea this has been great mark Thanks so much time with me. I enjoyed it very much. Thank you. But

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"The. From paper, this is payments radio, the show four, hundred bounce, the payments industry covering news interviewing experts, and talking about all the ways the world pace. This week, we bring you the impacts of Covid, nineteen comments, thoughts on the card scandal. And in a more positive night fintech investment announcements and quick payments news roundup. My Name's Matt Jackson with me. We had James Booth. James however. Welcome back to what was formerly the paper podcast is now payments radio. It's been some time since we spoke on this forum. We worked together, very closely speaking every day but for the sake of the full costs, let's Welcome each other back and Oscar how. On really good new mets. Great to be to be back online. Great to be recording another podcast. Again, it's been. It's been a long time since we did one of these I think I think the loss podcast we had was back in November So we've taken a bit of a break. Had A bit of time off and I think we a fresh new starts and we're ready to put a lot of energy in into the setting for my side a very happy to be back online and chatting about all things, payments and Fintech with you. He. Official. Would like to say not much change since the last. Only from P perpespective from payments perspective. But from a global socio economic in any way, you can expect something has changed so. We went attempt to cover all of that, but I think it's probably worth is recognizing the impacts covet his head on on our lives personally and on on payments as an industry maybe spend some time speaking about that Jiji dates a really good internal work with team around. It is done to the payments landscape not just now across the the next few years in the form of Iraq and and maybe if you could. Read and a couple of minutes because I founded cities I think is an interesting whites is spark debate around around what long term on this Yeah that's for sure I mean it's you're right. We we've come a long way since since the last time we spoke I mean, we're firstly we're recording this from home. I mean we would. Me recalled this in the offers would be speaking face. The face now were doing it Google meets which I think is I the first thing knowledge but when when looking directly at the payment space, it's it's been an extreme. Ride these past few months. Obviously, I've taken a few online webinars discussing this topic and just discussing how the payments landscape in the fintech landscape has been impacted from the pandemic and how it's actually rallied together and Howard's it's. Just come from strength to strength and I think that's the underlying story that I've always wanted to tell is that. Payments is. If anything, this pandemic has accelerated most of business models out there at least any business that. thinking of digital I approach thing of digital currencies, a e commerce, etc. It's rarely lit a fire underneath a lot of these businesses and and Co's these businesses to excel and and rarely. Rarely, put an ECOMMERCE versa purchase or anything I into into everything that they're doing. Excuse me. So I mean if you look at the US the US is a I mean it's a credit card or call dominated economy they're starting to move into contact lists. I. Mean Context is definitely one of the big trends going on in that part of the world at the moment there's there's a story I read earlier on this week about then more. Then now introducing contact with pay and we can maybe go into that's a little bit little bit later on walk that means the economy. In Europe there's Europe's always been a pro e commerce region and it's been a a high percentage of the population always been. Taking an economist but. Because of the pandemic of the positive months that is just accelerated, receiving new demographics and new new age groups coming online, we're seeing businesses that never had any commerce approach quickly get get up and running and and and repurpose their businesses. So they could sell online received platforms stepping to the stepping into the plate shop companies like shopper. Fi just look at the share price over the last few months, and you can see what's what that's done for their business and it's it's a trend that we've always known as been coming assuming that we. have, built our business off the back of we. We think we think economies are going digital transactions organ to be digital. Even if they're in store transactions, they'll have an ECOMMERCE element to it or they'll go across economists, rails and it's just been an acceleration of that over the past few months because we've been forced to transact online and and those that have never performed e commerce transactions have been forced to. Take that first step the soon as you make that first step and you realize the convenience of digital payments and shopping online, it's very hard to go back to to what was a old way of life. So the the saying of things will never be the same and we'll be moving into a new normal is entirely correct. I think it'll personal lives as well as in payments and fencing because the new normal is. Is An accelerated version of I. Think what was already happening? Yeah. Yeah. I think casing on notice pick up. What you're saying there is is the acceleration familiar feels like we are. Taking a leap in almost every market five as forward in in the space of about five months because we were forced to. So you mentioned about the the contractors and how that suddenly grown in the state it was always a thing in the UK but. The older people I know relatives and friends were somewhat reticent today contactless. But you know with the threat of Covid all of a sudden it's the only want to pay my. My father was a bus driver. He he referred to context with pilots as hit and run because he always still the you could tap. A runoff before the transaction maybe someone A. Funny. Way If way of thinking about it. Was Interesting for me is the way businesses have had to adapt on how successful someone been and how it took some some a little bit of time with good raises. High. Quite rightly and. Number of pubs and restaurants around me Oh my side on up eight delivery. So the Cook Food and freedom for you to cook. Or they would start, print takeaways. In the way they did before and that. So at a very micro level that's things that keeps the economy going and those payments were all done either ecommerce riles obviously they went wanted to take physical payments didn't didn't want to see you to to take a call transaction. So it's been really interesting done that will always sticks out for me is accompanying Primorac who've taken the decision not to go digital tools I do not want to go any combs even in this market and the amount of revenue lost in in in three months I three was staggering, but I still take in the decision they are not going to go on by. A. So best in that way and it will be interesting to see how long I can stick to that shut she. As the length of Tong people were staying away from physical stores increases my opinion on that prime oxy huge business. They're they're not gonNA go underwater anytime soon but long-term taking decision like that I would I would brand him as as one of the Knicks blockbusters. That that'll just disappear over time because people want optionality. Even, if they don't have any commerce offering, they want click and collect that once they want these different forms they want they want to buy clothes online, try them on at home and send them back. They WANNA WANNA use these corner payment methods to to invoice payments, etc.. So it's Demi here to stay and it's quite interesting. The the the examples of business models popping up I mean you mentioned your pub in your local cafe in the store? Of seeing the same thing here, round the corner from me. In that, they were very quick to adapt very quick to put these. New Business models up and writing a saw a lot of cafes, all of a sudden turning into many supermarkets. A So a lot of. A lot of that type of work. But what I find even more fascinating and this back to the payment on scape is some of the restaurants and some of the pubs how they've reacted to to change the way they accept payments long-term and actually in in a Webinar a few weeks ago I mentioned young's pub. So Young's pub is a pub chain in the UK they. Actually done how many pubs that have a fifty sixty There were there were a lot of pubs They've always had a a young's pub up. and. They've had it for for some time. Now I mean I've had it on my phone for at least a year. But I only had it on my phone because I was interested in payments through the APP, you could preorder drinks such your table. You could check into to the various pubs you open a tab. Etcetera. And they've today they had the basic infrastructure for. What pubs will have a by default now. So now that they're beginning to open, they are like years ahead of all of the other restaurants, pubs and bars out there because eveready the APP it's it's become default that most consumers who go into those pubs just whip up that phone and they're not even using apple pay in the context payment methods the going straight to a a public brand at wallet, which is. I mean. It's insane to think that that's going to become the norm now because a year or two ago you, you just wouldn't think that you would be using contact lists a lot of people still using cash. Now you walk ins of you you check and you sit at your table you choose what you WanNa drink what you want to eat plug it your app they delivered to table and when you're done. You check out you pay and you just leave the table. It's it's it's a it's an amazing experience. It's ready good I haven't tried it. Myself since since the pubs reopened but I did try before the pandemic was it was a great user experience I'd love to see more of A. Yeah. Very interesting that we keep coming back to the user experience and I think something that paper recognized for longtime by offering the right payment methods you incentivize Shilpa seek to use your service. But now it's much broader than that. It's it's offering the rights consumer experience from start to finish as you enter premises or enter website to to win someone leaves. Again that that whole idea of a store for one that highly personalized journey the consumers want to go on until like they're being so twos and individual rather than. Within Channel think is is going to become more and more important and I think we'll continue to say disruption disruption in a market like this. For, sure. For sure I couldn't agree more I mean now that now the consumers getting used to these different experiences not that they went to the pasta were slowly adapting to it. We're being forced to use these new experiences. Yeah. The new, the new developments that will be built on top of these APPs. I think they're gonNA, make a lives. really easy and really seamless from a financial from payments don points it's it's really officiating. And I think if the if the world economies are going to limit the damage caused by covet, it's going to be done online. I think. Everyone needs to just be aware of that I think from a from a in point of view. I think we're going to end up having a coach every time we speak maybe joined nine under that hidden. This might. We want to use his time to discuss payments news and I. Think we would be reticent not to talk about why? certainly nights of my reading about industry at the moment we all. Three four five weeks now. Since the story first break actually that's not that's compatriot breaking in guys the Financial Times in another other places had been. Discussing this for a considerable number of years and trying to report and investigate regularities. What's your view you? Have you. If he's seen any impacts what's your early view on on the impact? This might have an industry. Yeah. So for I mean firstly, from from peepers viewpoint, we we we haven't seen any negative impact we we didn't do business with So from that. France. I think. We've we've been fine, but from the industry as a whole, it's a tricky one of the a lot of our partners are picking up a lot of the business i. think there's been some fantastic stories out there around how system partners insist citizen PSP's in merchants rarely bonded over the the full of wok hard and and put together new solutions very quickly. The story that immediately comes to head is the story of of curve called and checkout dot com. So Sa- curve were partnered with Y. called for their services. Soon, as it was reported that was fraud. Why called St Curve where in a lot of trouble they quickly needed new providers. In order to offer their services and they turn to check out DOT COM. and. They manage to get the majority of the integration, the contracting the funds flow that got the the basic pieces of their partnership up and running and over the weekend which is unheard of It's it's. Amazing Story and I think is lot of other examples of that that we've seen around the ecosystem. So. For from that standpoint, it's been positive because it shows that. Chose, we can quickly put citizens together. We can quickly look after each other even though we're all it's frenemies too degree you know at the end of the day, everybody wants to consume it to be looked after, and that's that was done in this case. I. Think. The downside of this is maybe some of the trust that Fintech as a whole might lose from the followed the demise of why called it was partly a mainly why called folk bet partly. The lack of oversight and regulation. That's they received from often the the regional regulates that was tossed to to regulate Y Kaden was a failing on that front and that that's That's GONNA put a bit of pressure on US coming forward because older the other regulators are now going to be on our backs ensuring that this doesn't happen so. It's a good thing for the industry as a whole. It just means oil is are going to be on fantastic for the next few months a year just to ensure that this never happens again because it was A. It was it was a explosion The industry's never seen before. FISHBOWL official I think from. Phil Walkout. A relatively large company tend to the scale and number of employees and over. Santa's eight goes out to to most of those who would have had little now involvement in anything dishonest and and there was. when something is happening as innocent, people are going to be looking at jobs and and worrying about the money as well as some businesses the might not survive the impact of of some dishonesty to me. There's a number of dishonest things had been going on with with a more I caught, but then there's also. The audit side of it while I was signing off or accounts for five years and order as a whole as an industry has come under a lot of scrutiny recently, Patisserie Valerie springs, what? I say months ago. and. So you've got the dishonesty element and then you've got the people sleep will admit I. think as a whole industry needs to make sure that we're doing things properly and and not being dishonest. The thing I really liked about curve which you mentioned was they almost a book on how to deal with it from a PR perspective. So the basically shut him down. Contributes funds were were am trucks because AFC I. Mandated that. Anything going through Wyckoff UK entity, which incidentally has been saints be completely separate and I think was previously an old building Suttie. The a precautionary measure mandated will get shut down stop. Curve did an amazing job of fooling consumers not just APPA time but only hourly intervals a stream page on our website where by giving update of what they're doing, what they're doing next the brokers might be and it's this thing that if something went wrong at bright, we would spin up in Italy but as white manage the end consumer, just foist fantastic and again would come back to the consumer. It's it's the theme of this show that. The consumers most important thing that. I think I agree with you, I think the communication politics, very important I've seen this throughout. The payments in the fintech landscape, you have some companies that handle the communication extremely well and I think that's where we need to move towards especially when it comes to transparency and entrust to something like this, we've as as a hall of the industry. Yes. We've lost a little bit of trust. Everybody needs to effectively step up to the plate and and become more transparent about. How they working are they proactively trying to prevent incidents like this how how they're building technology to give consumers an awesome maybe give regulators more. Receiving this from time to time with outages, technical outages from a lot of providers. So cloudflare went down the other day may gave a detailed minute by minute brief on how their services went on what happened and how they they rebuilt their services and fixity put a part of the Internet back together. And I think we need to start seeing that For other parts of the business now it's a little bit tricky when it comes to sensitive information and maybe the more regulated parts of these businesses but I I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing that that trend of transparency starting to full to throughout the rest of these these payments businesses. Yeah I think it's like about this on A. Written Pace that Big Banks incumbent seem to have it harder and I think it's because there's an expectation that they don't fail. Right? They've been going for. Over one hundred cases and could choose have an expectation that dunk down they can manage these things correctly and I think small intakes look a Monzo revenue to starling perhaps because they're seen as more Aja an Internet I in the Internet does go down consumers don't necessarily expect the same level of them, and it'll be interesting to see in ten years when these banks are bigger whether the consumer, an expectation of changing and whether they can solve some of these issues you. COULD BE FUN RIDE The last bear. `Bout walkout which. Just S- towns, me the COO who he seems be carrying confer So investigators want to talk to him quite quickly is being housed in Russia by all accounts having got there through forgery flood documents and flight manifests. It's a staggering the. Almost. Doesn't feel real. I'm sure when we're going to see a film about this. About this, I'm sure somebody's writing scripted the moment and in Hollywood or. Or someone will get hold of it. Fantastic let's Let's jump in humphries more positive news. So checkout, they'll come here we mentioned his the walkout story. Every positive way I'll she points out and their recent writes. Yes. I mean. They've they've they've done extremely well recently. Recent raised one hundred and fifty million which values them at now five point five billion. Say as a company they've been profitable since twenty twelve as they have been profitable for quite a while. However, any recently have gone out to the markets and begun external fundraising. and. We've seen this what we've seen them the raise quite a few times over the past few years. And I think that's A good sign It's it's good. It's good directionally for the industry as a whole seeing that they're still raising these large throughout pandemic. I mean outside of CHECKOUT DOT COM, we're still seeing. Law Fundraising rounds go through. We're still seeing acquisitions going through. And, it shows the resilience of the industry that we're working in that although global markets might downturn at some stage stock market's going up for some reason that. I Conrad fully wrap my head around. We're seeing technology. We a lot of money pouring technology in public and private markets. And check out comes the latest winner in this regard. So I would expect to see a lot of movement from them or expect to see a lot of growth from them that we haven't seen that before but it's it's good news for them. Yes for sure and I think interesting you pick up tech stocks seems to be one the the rising and g think of checkout as a tech company or do you think of them as a payments company oil any combs in April platform, which is really interesting in think maybe witting down for just technology and looking at platforms I think you see Pat Forms. Making. Significant headway in terms of investment. Pounds adults. No that's for sure I mean certainly in Q. to alone I. Mean I mentioned other fundraising rounds there was I mean stripe raised eight, hundred and fifty million. US dollars Robin Hood which is another fintech out of the US four hundred fifty million Fun box two, hundred, million other payments company. Out of Australia a Wallich's hundred and sixty million US dollars said again mean I can go I've got the list here. It's goes again and again, and again there's there's just so many of them and a lot of them fall into the same category and I think we're GONNA. See A lot of growth continued growth from the sector for awhile. Definitely definitely ones Cape on a maybe we can make a weekly feature that we look at the investments and what's been going on intensive of our industry for that aspect of it. So from from platforms to to another platform. And might be a story around Brazil suspending WHATSAPP pay after only a week and then the update the of ten thirty this morning they are allowed to process again if you if you read into this tight on on what's happening in. Yeah. I mean you've you've you've actually taken me by surprise yet because I was I was going to speak about. The suspension and the the the Brazilian regulator suspending what's pay off to a week Was He there a founded that decision on the fact that they want to preserve a competitive environment within Brazil I think in. Latin America is a very. insular. Financial Environment. It's very close at this point in time still So I think there are very protective of new competitors coming into the landscape and they want local businesses to thrive which is. Maybe. Why the Brazil? Central. Bank took that decision Since then of his, he'd have had a lot of discussions and a lot of talks that have Agassi Calls them to to reverse. The decision? which is Great I mean obviously I think I need to give a bit of readings. He you give me a middle all catch up to you. This I think the only the only other. Inside go is. They use the time so I think suspended jade, and Brazilian central. Bank. said that they've been evaluating risk around it. So so yeah no further inside of them. Really. A A pretty spas press release from the present in Central Bank saying that it will authorize the payment system involving. Assault Messaging Services into money and make payments. They say that all must be respected. It makes you wonder what rules weren't respected. Speaks to probably regulator not moving forces should not markets A. June twenty, two, thousand I. Withdrew as Asian for the payment service and probably it feels like the challenged economy. They concerns about how far this is being adopted and and what the impact on the water economy might be night once it's time to really understand. What the risks were around that and whether any issues. And also the other potential risk, there is the risk of different payment provide coming into the market that may be utilizes a different technology utilizes. cryptocurrency and maybe that gains traction and if that were to happen of his see, the Brazilian Central, bank would have even less control over it so. You refined it was A. There were there are a lot of the discussions going on behind the scenes that that caused the regulated to have a lot of faith in in what's apple facebook, and maybe they have some kind of oversight. into the technology that they're using obviously, they have oversight as regulator. Enough of enough to give comfort to to relaunch the service or to expand their their oversight to the business. Yeah official. Interesting. An emerging markets generally tend to adopt. New models new businesses more quickly than maybe some of the larger developed economies. Interesting the brakes on on that one. Well, thanks for the discussion today think our our time's coming to an end at least for the quick news wrap up today for the listeners out there. It's good to be back on A. Madda myself we will continue to upload more often. Now I'm in the future you'll hear more for us on news updates F-. From time to time you'll hear guests, interviews We've got some internal because that will line up for the show. As well as potentially some external partners will be joining the show industry specialists, gifts because for talks time. So this is the keeper. Payments, radio thanks for listening in and speak to you next month. If you like this episode subscribe and don't forget to leave us a great review, it helps other people find the show. And if you know someone who loves payments pass the cost onto them, you can find us at P. Dot Com. That's. DOT COM or email us at payments radio. Dot Com.

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S1. E1 - "People don't suck at anything" - KP from Atlanta

CodeLess

26:11 min | 1 year ago

S1. E1 - "People don't suck at anything" - KP from Atlanta

"Here at codeless. No Code isn't just a way to build without code. It runs through everything we do. In fact we made this podcast with no coat. Using anchor anchor is pretty much the easiest way for you to make the podcast. First of all it's free you can actually create your podcast on your phone or on your computer and anchor with distributed it to all the major platforms like spotify apple podcasts and whatever podcasting platform us you can also make money on anchor with with your podcast and it has everything you need in one place. Download the free anchor APP or go to anchor dot. FM to get started once again that's anger that FM beermaker make a podcast with anchor. People don't suck at anything. It's just a broken. It's just that they don't have the right community around there. There's no wanamaker it'd be maker. Just be the only thing though. Is You have to be comfortable being at the bottom of the battle. And you're all the underdog story so my favorite take time to grind. It actually made me much more and much more of a magnet to other authentic while makers acres. Hey there I'm your host Edmund and you're listening to codeless a narrative podcast first celebrating makers to and heroes it season one and this is our first episode featuring green kp a maker out of Atlanta with an awesome story about struggle identity. Motivation and the power our vulnerability. We'll get a brief intro from. KP and roll right into the interview. Enjoy Hey everybody I'm KP node maker from Atlanta I love billing platforms that enrich people's lives and create a positive impact in world. I love dabbing with no code and testing. The limits of what is possible. I love to share the knowledge and insights. I gather by doing this with others. So everyone's talking about no code. Everyone is talking about it in one form or another. What do you think about no coat? What's not you you yen so no coach? Me Is the fastest ramp to get to where you want to get to your heart and your dreams and your aspirations nations right so for a maker or for you know for a person with you know really creative ideas thank thinking about like how do I still I life could do. You could sit down and learn how to code whose yourself how to like you know quote a new language Python or whatever and then you could like bill this long road map of features and ship it eventually by but more likely you're going to lose your interest more likely than losing spray Shimonoseki. You know you're are gonNA fall apart because of technical barriers and and you may never see the ship date you know no code for me is is is a way to get to the point in fashion. God doesn't doesn't mean that you're gonna cut corners just means that you are going to reduce the scope of what you started out with but still the chain the essence an experiment with it right under the lot of ideas I today I think experiments and if you look at it that way less attached to the idea itself and you're you're more likely to reiterate it and they can better in the future so got it so for you. I I gather that no code is about moving fast and actually making something substances important. But it's more about getting through the process. Yes yes I mean if you I think if you really like think about it it's the cliche startup advice or Silicon Valley by Blake. Move Fast and break. Things is still relevant. Malware you're going to something incredible if you've not already built so many little oh great products on the way so. KP everyone like comes into this community into this frame of mind into this thinking differently. How did you come into this like did you already know what was out here or just? Tell us your origin story of how you got here into note. I think I kind of accidents in the end and to be honest. I've just been very active on product hunt and I've been very active on impacts. Those are two communities that I highly respect for for Makers and for a long time I was just the locker I was just like you know checking out. The new product launches dislike paying attention to the trends. And I think the big turning point for me was reading. This book called Atomic Habits by Jim Skill. It's amazing grade book. You GotTa Get up today and tomorrow basically what it ditch me was I was drilling or years and years and I was using the fact that I didn't know how to Code what I don't have technical co founder as a as an excuse use and the book talks about. How if you want to become something you just become a today? There's no wannabe on twitter. There's no wannabe. May It. Just be a maker the only thing though is you have to be comfortable with being at the bottom of the battle and work your ass up all the way to the top so that mental shift happened into the number two thousand eighteen. Then I decided okay enough is enough. Screw this I'm going to just become a maker once. I decided that it just became so much easier to rake everyday and do the things bigger suit right something small like you know. Learn something new and figure out. What's the latest trend that I can hop on so thanks? Only knuckle champions in vocal figures like Ben Fossil nine who earn hack walls and there's many show giants that I think. I stood on the shoulders of today. But all of them guided the makers into this path. It's like hey check out no code it's six crappy creative way to ship WANNA ship without. So that's how we can tell me about some of the most inspiring makers Kerr's that you've encountered out there. You can consider this like a shoutout exposition. Whatever have lots of shots to get coaching Nadan for building building in the hackers? Think notoriously by building the hackers. He made a lot of people unhappy about their current status quo in made them to yearn long for something better so I think that's a subtle shoutout into coaching and Ryan Hoover bringing product hunt and still being champions champion founder. I think he's such a great community minded founder. You know you don't see a lot of congress that are like very engaging with the community beyond those two output album. Toss who so. Obviously you know. He's phenomenal prolific at his shipping. Hayden's ships everything. We homeless and so also very approachable label. Greg Guy who has. I'm trying to think of my earliest rations. Were like another friend of impossible's I think mobs that's a very short of his Mobs basically is one of the prolific who he shifting sixty plus side projects that he's nominal tooth who has. I'm trying to think of like sheriffs. WHO's one one of my good friends from Chicago? He's also a great to me personally. Having him start the journey along with me last one year has been phenomenal. Because he's a great companion into Johnny as a believer being a maker so so One thing I wanted to ask you about so you know. You've ships about five products in the last thirteen months. And that's that's really awesome. I you know I think there's still some people a year into their journey. That might not even shipped one. My question for you. Is You no if you could just tell me about each one day. You've built and like what they were for so I one caused. Aw Dude things that don't get dot Com right end. It was basically a collection of early growth hacks you from across the Internet and inspiration to that was weeding programs essay on do things that don't scale. He listed like four or five junior airbnb striped solely stories. But I was. I just asked myself that there should be more than just like of course like everyone every once in a while we read about people's like Oh. Yeah Yeah I did this to get the first hundred users like crazy stories like Dora dash founders delivering food themselves early days. And so it's it's fascinating to me. The underdog stories my favorite all time. What I love is the grind the early days? So I just thought it'd be cool to have a hub that would have all these. The stories together. Second one was really came from my own frustration of not finding relevant high-quality sticking. Help your friend Bill. What was it called? What was it called on deck and deck? Okay hope and in a world where we live in abundance where your dispatch. Dot Com link is high-quality dogerthy. Being offered again through kindness of dog offers. But I'm like this is the Internet. This is twenty nineteen. How could you not dot have enough resources for fix at one place? So I collected it from the community from Internet from the users from friends and everything and that'd be came under dot com. That's the punchline. There's nothing like you know strong breaking about it didn't exist omitted habits so the third third one was really writing the way of new code and says I think it'd be like if I may wish this year macos peaking talking and talking about that flow and everything and I realize that there's no showcase for all denote objects. Basically there's no showcase GEICO show what's possible without vote. Built Note Dot Com. I bought the domain dispirited again. crowdsource did that kept it alive for a little while title but then later realized so many more makers. Were doing a better job at this. So I think you know new code dot co on my friends. Joe Brown's sort of doing the same thing thing but definitely a bigger scale and Ben Toss is going in. Obviously it's nominal Java collecting all the knuckle showcases. So I let that be for now. But it the funding experiment before Warren is on podcasts. Again came from my own personal frustration about not having the entire list of podcasts appearance of a particular person that I was disturbing sample the wall river camp huge fan of his wisdom and insights into sharp workshop thinking about you know how to be a great founder and everything and I was fascinated. One day that I wanted to go to every single podcast and the appeared on and listen to it. And if you go on going to like any of the APPS if you search on anyone's name really getting a bunch of garbage basically it looks like anyone mentioning the whole rabbit can't in their bio or indoor description is being listed in the search which is stupid so I am incubating it. I used a lot of neck and `ISMs and ship appeared on Dot Com. That's all the podcast it's basically like. IMDB for podcast. So so that's something for the fifth one is real fun side projects nothing serious. I was joking that I made it to impress my wife. It's called twist them so you you can look at twist them Dogra Idaho and it's basically where she was joking that I was wasting my time refreshing twitter and not I learning anything new or lock binding any wisdom and I was like you know what I'm going to be in the low code generator which would basically show me a new tweet. A new wise tweet from one of my favorite. You Know White People Mauling James Skier Grandma. Yeah whatever you WANNA call. So it's it's it's a little silly product on side but it's been fun. You'll make mistakes. What are some of your best productivity tools? Okay so I live in notion a lot. I use notion ocean a lot of my thoughts and ideas notion. Thanks Brian Hoover. I started using spark. It's alternative for g mail. I'm on product talent. I'm on twitter on the hackers. I think a lot of people are uncomfortable. The fact that social media's GonNa win you disagree and I think productively to me is thinking out loud. Okay Judging Yourself Judging others so if you go see my follows the the people who follow they're mostly people who inspire me on my feet is really clean. I feel like people like you people like you know her inspiring me. They're like they're maker. Baker said busy doing things right. That time on social media for me is actually a net positive. So you're saying even though others might consider you spend in a lot of time on social media the intention behind the people you follow what you talk about and what you put out there. You're saying that that's that's a definite construct construct the right time for yourself and I think it's because if you think about there's never been a greater time than today to really understand how Great Sphinx think right so some of the great author something great you know Congress or the Great. Investors can't believe that today I can go onto a site called SORTA DOT com and I can and the philosophy you know that the wall uses do what's in his investing deals are James Clear uses in his writing mechanisms resumes. Or you know Ryan Hoover uses in the way. He grows his team. It's phenomenal that today. You can do it on twitter right one of the things you have to guard yourself from following twenty random people or like accounts. You're very careful about who you follow. And what not to me. One of the Russian I think. Terrorism at productivity tool is twitter kind of like the best place to find other no code. Yes yes yes. Yes and Protestant is another area but I think twitter is a great great tunnel to take you to whenever you want to go again. That's the intention right so Brian. A lot of this depends on your intention. I got it. One thing I've noticed with your with your tweets is that you do say a lot about what you're thinking or what you're sharing other people say and you're always processing on twitter but the biggest thing I've noticed is that your your your tweets tweets are sometimes very vulnerable. Can you talk about vulnerability in no Code Beena Maker and how helps or maybe hinders as you from being a better maker. I think it's a good question you know. I'm glad you brought that up bottle today in twenty nine thousand nine is is almost as weakness weakness or it's like a liability some of the greatest leaders that I admire you know are honest with themselves and are self aware honorable you know and we're all humans are learning it in a weird way. It actually made me much more much more of a magnitude other authentic. Monitorable automakers how does vulnerability or how has vulnerability impacted the way you make you ship your projects like you know. Have you've done it one way. And then try another way and has vulnerability helps. That's something that I only learned recently in the beginning. Chuck to come off as somebody who figured it out. Who knew everything? Think Menzies Basically acknowledging the fact that you have in Bishop's plan but you're at ground zero so it's basically being humble and honest and saying. Hey guys here's where I am right now. I need some help and it's completely it's hard because a lot of people say that they need help they should get the help. That's entitlement just because you need it. You're not going to get it but if you apologize even the tiniest little appreciation from somebody or suggestion suggestion from somebody eventually compounds. And you're gonNA get exactly what you want. which is so weird about twitter? Sometimes like I would ask a question honestly the about like what. I don't know I could use some help and people will jump in with answers solutions alternatives. Everything and I'm like. Wow this is community doing my work for me. Yes so but it works both ways they see I think people send care. Yeah well if you care they know you know your authentic person. They'll care back what's been the most impactful no code tutorial or article you ever read that really impacted you as is a maker. That's a great question. I would say just watching other people ship just watching products. They ship is more inspiring to me than than anything that I've seen you know I. I don't listen to us much hype about no code. Which is ironic? Because I hype a lot about so I don't I don't necessarily listen every podcast every interview about But I watched their moves. If anything has filled plug DEM's clears Tommy Cabinets. Book is that Act Book has changed me under mentally. I think I'm ready for not. Just no good for the next level challenge. What comes first? Is it the idea India or is it the two that you see. You WanNA use that to make something like what's your process for for making so for longtime. I was fascinated to get the right domain. It's if I found the right. Domain are so hyped up and I was going to be a great product. Now I know that's all bullshit worship right great great domain you can have dot co dot. Co Dot. Whatever people? Don't care now I'm not much not much into Brand names or domains. Greatness is the brand. You don't need a brand name to be great if you are great. That is the brand so if if you build something people love that eventually you know be a recurring thing in their life in the love. It you don't need to worry about all the logos It's so ironic is now. I spend almost like two percent of my time doing logos and domains and anything and I spent a lot of time figuring out the habits and the behavior and the psychology of the users. I want to serve. It's come back to the basics now it's come back to the foundation of. What is the customer going to here? So more Recently what some news in no code that you've come across that you know you WanNa talk about or you know WanNa Pine on the thing that there have been several really good updates this year twenty nine hundred nominal from local like bedsores conference. I couldn't go this but I WANNA exterior bubble getting withdrawn funding linked the several updates. That I'm stoked about code. I think one little especially interesting to me that I just want to talk about is his Elliott. This product came across shoutout to Web Smith issue. Check them out at the date. He'd what a brilliant article about this code income ECOMMERCE. They're kind of like shopping. Fide Elliot is the one data. Sergio just founded right. Yes okay I I know what you're talking about going and I think that was almost was a head-spinning moment for me because shop is a giant as be calmer winds but having being no code having Okla platform do that. I think there's a master moves for the timing of it. The timing is amazing. Milk Goat Right. Yeah so if there's a quick and dirty way for me to like the store a no code store and the ship it and focus more than branding in center the city on on human factor on the on the personal factors I think is a win and so I just came across recently. I'm surprised I didn't know about about that before. Five Web Smith wrote often casting article on this and Giovanni to really think a lot of deeper so now okay. We talked about some important news. What do you look to be doing in the next week or two? Okay so actually heard about what I've been up to five projects. Last cutting months billing audience's learning learning the kings of product building. Basically iterating a lot. I'm a huge meteoroid rating. Lot anytime I feel like I'm stuck with something ship. Yeah so I can learn the whole Johnny Z. So that's what I've been up to. What I'm doing right now is what I want to discuss? What standards podcast is is the next big product? Twenty twenty. Very excited about it. It's it's called. Writers compound dot com and the premise is that long form content is making a huge comeback. So today on the Internet if you're not publishing long form Tom content consistently as writer or even as somebody was opinions are who are trying to build leverage you know. I think you'll losing to the ones doing it. And I think this is the problem. That writers also writer along with being maker and I struggled with keeping my motivation intact for two weeks okay. I described him short films in Chart Creativity in thirty minutes forty minutes. But it's ironic because as a maker is a state of my motivation for two three four five weeks. It's a big difference. There and here is the community so it will be kind of like India hackers but for writers so I am my own biggest customer. I know everything that with right and I just launch landing page. Yesterday will actually today money. They got twenty five people already. Deeming me hitting me up and saying thank you for shipping this a problem that we all struggle with this. Here's the thing if you've noticed anybody calling themselves that I struggle with I suck at. That's great way for you to go and build something there because people don't suck at anything. It's just the system so broken just they don't have the right community around. I want to help providers twenty twenty riders come on Com. Thank you so much for giving us that Info and we'll be sure to check. Writers compound will definitely put links to wit into show notes and all your projects. KP thank you for this jam session and hope we'll talk again soon. Amazing thank you so much Edmund and related lated quality coming back again. Well that concludes episode one. After we ended the interview I asked K.. P. Two more questions. The the first was to summarize the last decade of the impact of no code and the second was for a prediction for the next decade. Or no you hear his answers after the closing credits please. Rate Subscribe and share this with someone you know. Let me know who else you'd like to interview or just tell me I'll this episode impacted you. You can reach me on twitter through codeless headless podcast again. That's the twitter handle codeless podcast. You can also send me a voice. I know through my anchor podcast page. A link is in the description. This podcast was fully produced accused by me all music provided through free licensing. The music was produced by raising. Sounds all sound. Swab Dot Org doc and Steph skilley on Luqman DOT COM in my view. The last decade DOC ID has made it insanely easier for anybody to build a front end or cap. You know mess around with the friend incompetence obviously squarespace did it longtime ago and you know what what press weeks strikingly. There's like a whole legacy of things that have happened and now obviously web flow but the biggest impact is the fact that people could actually like an average person like me no. I'm not technical but I could. I could learn how to mess around with the front end and Baloney Pages and build websites and Web APPs. That was not possible ten years ago and I think that's a huge huge huge impact on no code the last decade so the biggest impact I predict knuckled would have in the next decade is as I was saying earlier about the whizzy week editors drag and drop editors you know the front end has been. Evolution is the last decade. I think it's time for back in time for the FBI driven systems to become more mainstream and zip years done a great job integral Ad Sto- in it but I think we'll see a ton of APPS that make you know messing around to the backhand and databases ways. You're and I think that's the biggest shift that'll happen in the next decade no code.

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The Last Impeachment Trial

The Daily

37:17 min | 1 year ago

The Last Impeachment Trial

"From The New York Times. I'm Michael Varo a today as the impeachment. Trial of president trump resumes this afternoon. Senators remained bitterly divided over Over every element of the proceedings Peter Baker on why it was such a different story during the last impeachment troy on Tuesday January twenty first peer Baker. What do do you remember from this day? Almost exactly twenty one years ago when the Senate trial in the impeachment of President Bill Clinton begins. Boy It it was just a fraught day. You had Republicans and Democrats trying to figure out how to get through it without blowing up. The country and I was a White House reporter for the Washington Post. At the time I had been covering the story from the first days when the news of the Ken Starr Investigation Gatien had broke. Potentially damaging cloud is hanging over the White House this morning. SAN has confirmed that independent counsel. Kenneth Starr is investigating. Whether the president asked a former former White House intern to lie about a relationship. She says or at least alleged to have with the president. It was time really divided the public over this this president and what he had done I did not have sexual relations with that woman. Miss Lewinsky even accused of lying under oath obstructing justice by covering up his affair. The White House intern gay defining day for the future of President Clinton's Special Prosecutor Ken Starr Congress and the country. Here's the latest details of the Ken Starr accusations or officially out Dan. This report accuses the president of lying obstruction of justice tampering with witnesses before the grand during in the view of the independent counsel it all grows out of the president's relationship with Monica Lewinsky. Polls show that. Most people were against impeachment. Most people were or four Clinton staying in office but the anger and the emotion of that moment was very real. We're witnessing nothing less than the symptoms of cancer. Cancer on the American presidency. If we failed to remove it it will expand to destroy the principles matter. Most all of us. The question is whether the truth matters batters and there are some who seem to be saying that the truth really doesn't matter basically I think what those people who would assert that have to be saying is it it. Power is what matters in the risk for us. There is a that seems to me to be the shore prescription for tyranny the house. The impeachment process was divided and divisive. The president had an affair. He lied about it. He didn't want anyone to know about it. Does anyone reasonably believed that. This amounts to subversion of government. Does anyone reasonably believed that. This is what the founding fathers were talking about. The Democrats wanted to encourage Kurds US idea that the Republicans were being partisan because that was going to be their defense. This is indeed a Republican coup atop their defense was. They're coming after our guy. Hi It's illegitimate it's a witch hunt. It's who you may recognize some of these terms. This march to impeachment is an attempt to undo an overthrow. Oh a duly elected president and ignores the will of the people we have. Frayed are fragile basis for bipartisan cooperation. Making the impeachment process. Just one more pathogen in the medical chest of toxic politics and so by the time the issue reaches the House floor for a vote. The country is convulsing here on this. Vote The as our to twenty eight. The nays are two. Oh six article one is adapted. The House then passes two of the four articles of impeachment that were sent by the Judiciary Committee on largely party. Line votes setting up. You know this very divisive trial will become the idea that this is not a bipartisan effort. At this point as the president versus the other party and it's so divisive that you saw the senators on the other side Watching in horror. Because they didn't want that to happen. Trent Lott was the Republican leader at the time senator from Mississippi and he talks by phone over this period Tom Daschle who has his Democratic counterpart and both of them were expressing this great nervousness that the Senate would be consumed. I'm by the fires that they had seen. Burn up the house. They did not want a circus like environment they did not want ugliness the partisanship and each of them on the phone. It was kind of relieved to discover that the other one felt the same way. And why did they feel that way. I mean if the rest of their party in the next store chamber is. He's behaving this way. What is so problematic for them you know? At the time and traditionally the Senate has looked at things differently than the house they have seen seen themselves as a more mature body less reactive to the mood of the moment remember. They have six year terms. They don't have to face the voters every two years they have more freedom To exercise their judgement without worrying about an instant political consequences so traditionally the Senate has been more restrained less partisan then the house and they wanted to make sure that that stayed that way during the trial that was about to start so the Senate Republican leader and the Senate Democratic leader they're basically having having backchannel conversations about how to have a civilized impeachment process. Exactly remember we had not had a Senate impeachment trial while President says eighteen. Sixty eight says Andrew Johnson because Nixon resigned before those trouser. Nobody really knew how supposed to work. And so it fell to the Republican leader. Trent Lott and the Democratic leader Tom Daschle to figure out the rules of the road. How are they going to see? What would it look like? Who would say what when what possible actions could be allowed during a trial and rather than have a food fight over just the rules? They sat on the phone during this Christmas season before the New Year when they would start the trial Kinda beginning to talk through these various issues. How can we join together Tom? Daschle said we're GONNA co-pilot our way through yes together. They wanted to get through this hand in hand. Even though they were going to vote in different ways when it came to the actual conviction or acquittal they wanted to hold hands through it so that the process at least didn't fracture the Senate the way it had the house Senator Lott and I have worked probably more closely in the last two or three weeks in trying to resolve how we're going to proceed and we worked on anything since we've been leaders. So how did they actually co piloting. The Senate trial pleased that that We are here together to announce that at nine thirty tomorrow morning and the Old Senate Chamber that we will have a bipartisan. Senate conference so that we can talk to each other and listen to each other and understand what we're actually suggesting as to how we should proceed because it led to a meeting in the old Senate Chamber now the Old Senate Chamber is where the Senate used to beep before the big wings were built on the capital and as a smaller more intimate and historic room and so in that room no reporters no cameras. They all sat there and talk through their views about how the process should work. Art and really is Trent. Lott and Tom Dash leading the way. They didn't want to tear apart the institution they knew at the end of the day when the trial was over they still had to work together. They still joe had a couple more years of governing before the next election and they didn't want that to be consumed by bitterness and bile so pure how does all of this consensus at the top hop of the Senate on both sides of the aisle. How does that influence the rules for the trial? Well one thing that was different than it is now is is that there was kind of an agreement by Republicans and Democrats that they were all excited about the idea witnesses. Everybody who had anything to tell us about this episode had already testified to the grand jury. We knew what everybody point of view was. We knew what the evidence was unlike now today. They're witnesses that we've never heard from. We don't know what if they would tell us back. Then we knew what Monica Lewinsky story was. We knew it. President Clinton story was and so the argument was why witnesses but typically because it was a sensitive sensitive matter nobody Republican or Democrat when Monica Lewinsky on the floor of the Senate talking about very sex acts right that was just way way beyond what any senator thought they could stomach and so they came up with a set of rules that would put off the question of witnesses. I and say let's just opened the trial. Twenty four hours of opening arguments by the house managers the prosecutors and twenty four hours of arguments by the White House side defending him and then we'll have questions from the senators. Senators passed up on notecards. The chief justice who will then ask them out and then after we have that then we can decide whether we want any witnesses or not so they came up with a set of rules roles and the Republicans are Democrats agreed on it and I agree on it. They actually voted one hundred zero. Wow to approve the set of rules which is pretty remarkable. arquebuses you think about it today. Every single senator without fail agreed on the rules for this trial. Exactly right and that just freaked out the white the house the white well they didn't want consensus. Consensus is not good for them. One hundred zero was not a vote they wanted. They wanted Hardie line vote because a party line vote meant that the president could not be removed from office as long as the battle was US versus them along as it was about Republicans Democrats. There was no way that the president's residents critics could get the two-thirds majority to remove him from office that they wanted to maintain this as a partisan process and one hundred zero vote sent the wrong signal. In fact it falls John Podesta the White House Chief of staff to call up Senator Daschle AIDS. And he's furious. He's living what are you guys doing. He's asking you know. He made fun of all senators in their quote. preening little unity as he said they feel good about a hundred zero. Vote was nerve wracking for this White House so the White House messages. We don't like the kind of consensus that you are reaching because it's not politically advantageous to us. Even though it would seem to represent a modern achievement of non-partisans so how does was Daschle respond to that well Daschle it makes a point of not directly talking to them but his staff says trust us. It's going to be okay. We're GONNA get through this. You're not going to be convicted. This doesn't doesn't change the votes. It just means that we're going to do it in a different way than the house did it. We're not gonNA in fact let it become the spectacle that we think. The House had become so you know the White House this is left on the sidelines. Here a little bit they're not able to dictate the process the way they would have liked to and they're kind of nervous about it now. It seems notable is it not the Daschle is not talking talking to the White House. Is that a deliberate strategy. On his part it is he thinks that talking to the White House would optically look bad. His job now is to be a juror of sorts and while of course everybody understood where he was going to be on in the end. He thought that you know he at least had the obligation to look independent of the White House. Of course the staff were talking all the time so it wasn't all independent but at least for an external appearance he thought it was important. Senators not look like they're simply coordinating Gordon. Eating coordinating directly with the White House. Exactly and there were Democrats who are very angry at particularly the Senate at President Clinton and express so in fact you know one point Pat Lahey. The democratic. The credit senator from Vermont is talking to the president on the phone late one night from home and he's so upset he says bill. You're a damn damn damn fool. Wow so there was the sense that anything anything could happen. In Fact Tom Daschle had a list of about ten Democrats senators. He was Kinda worried about that. He thought in theory could under some circumstances jumps ship and that might create a cascade effect that it didn't convict the president. It might put pressure on him to resign the way. Republicans put pressure on Richard Nixon to resign in nineteen seventy four. Four one of President Clinton's top. Aides told him during the impeachment process. He said Republicans won't be able to remove you from office but Democrats might able to and that was where it was at the trial I was about to get underway. The right back Up Work has is the world's largest network of independent professionals devs. Ui designers writers strategists. 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I will administer the oath to all senators in the chamber displayed in front of him are a hundred United States. Senators all sitting in their desks. That by itself is extraordinary. Almost never happens do you solemnly swear the known all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of William Jefferson Clinton President of the United States now pending you will do impartial justice according the Constitution and laws. So help you God to the chief. Justice is right. There were thirteen members of the house. Representatives all Republicans from the District Committee. Who are GONNA the the prosecutors? There called managers under this system to the left that chief justice was the table for the White House team that included the White House counsel and a handful of other other attorneys both government and private who were going to defend him in this case and you had words like impeachment high crimes and misdemeanors owners warrants the removal these were hanging in the air and gave I think a sense of gravity to the moment even people who are very partisan in new already which way they wanted vote and as the Republicans as the house managers. Who are prosecuting? This case. Start to make their case. What are the points that they're making well? One thing about this case is that the facts were more or less set. We knew that the president had not told the truth under oath about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky and a lot of people believe he'd also obstructed justice by encouraging other witnesses to lie so the issue is less about the facts and it was what you made of the facts really the question. Sean is okay if he committed a crime if you believe he committed a crime. Is that a high crime. Is it worthy of removal from office. The managers for the House of Representatives tentatives have twenty four hours to make presentation of their case. The Senate will now here you. The presiding officer recognizes Mr Manager Hide due to begin the presentation of the case for the House of Representatives and leading off the cases Henry Hyde. WHO's the head of the managers? We are brought together on this solemn and and historic occasion to perform important duties assigned to us by the Constitution and he starts off and his classically. Typically you know a high altitude lofty tones about duty and honor and the constitution. We are here. MR chief. Justice and distinguished senators as advocates for the rule of law for equal justice under the law and for the sanctity of the oath remember though because they had thirteen managers everybody had to get up and say something. They're all politicians each of them one of their moment in the sun and not all of them were as good as the others but then there was this guy from South Carolina. We're we're here to judge our president. We're here to say whether or not he's guilty to begin with of some serious offenses young congressman. First Name. Lindsey Graham who gets up that are colored by sex and there's absolutely no way to get around that and I know US uncomfortable to listen to and he wasn't very well known to that point but there he was on the floor he didn't follow the script as carefully as the others. He wasn't arguing points of fact he was talking talking very down home South Carolina southern accent and a very folksy compelling way about you know what made sense to him. What's the high crime with an important person? Hurt somebody of low means. It's not very scholarly but I think it's the truth I think I think that's what they meant by high crimes. Lindsey Graham's point is we know what happened here we know of this president did and what he did was reprehensible not adjusts to his wife and his personal but reprehensible to the rule of law in this country and our argue that every president and every citizen has a constitutional duty not not to cheat another citizen especially the president and they get out of bounds is up to us to put him back in. Bounds are declared declared illegal. And if you let him off the hook then you're saying the president can violate the law with impunity. He makes an very persuasive way. I think for surely for a lot of Republicans begins who were doubting the case and even for some of the Democratic senators I think they found him compelling now at one point though. This question is from senators Cole and Edwards us to the house managers because he does think quickly on his feet and he does tend to say what he thinks more candid way rather than following a scrapped. He says something that ends up angering his fellow managers. So let me ask you this. Even if the president engaged in the alleged conduct can reasonable people disagree disagree with the conclusion that as a matter of law he must be convicted and removed from office. Yes or no absolutely. It's never been hard to find out whether Bill Clinton committed perjury or whether started justice. That ain't a hard one for me but when you take the good of this nation the upside and the downside reasonable people can disagree on what we should that reasonable people could disagree the about whether or not there should be enough to remove a president as well he cracks open the door to acquit. Exactly once you said that once you said that reasonable uh-huh people can disagree. Then of course Democrats hold onto that like a life raft or said well even Lindsey. Graham says it's reasonable for me to take this position so in the Clinton impeachment. Try It. Lindsey Graham Republican of South Carolina who ends up offering a kind of olive branch to the Democrats who ends up emerging as a figure of moderation. And maybe even just a little bit of imbalance right. He's trying to connect with the Democrats. and Say I get where you're at. I I have my own issues with this too but in the end you have to find it favor of accountability for a president who does wrong and Peter. What happens when the president's lawyers have their chance to make a case? The president was worried that the senators wouldn't react well to lawyers and so he wanted to have somebody on his team. Who could relate to the centers appear and so we reached out and they US Dale Bumpers? Who just stepped down as a senator from Arkansas Bill? Oh Clinton's home state to join the defense team. Basically be his representative on the four and a chair recognizes Mr Council bumpers to continue the presentation of the case for the president. And you know as an inspired idea to try to get past the legalisms and to really connect with jury if you will if you WANNA call them that chief chief justice distinguished house. Managers have send look of disappointment on many faces. Because I know a lot of people thought you were rid of me once. We're all dale. Bumpers gets up and he is a folksy very compelling old school southern Paul Colleagues. I come. I'm here with some sense of reluctance. The president and I have been close friends for twenty-five years. Bumpers knows Bill Clinton in a way that nobody else are very few other people. We'll do we fought so many battles back home together and our beloved Arkansas. And he's his way of saying this is somebody I know and I understand his flaws and I understand his strengths. Thanks and you can trust me validated for him. But the question is how do we come to be here. And then begins to talk about the case. And he says we're here because of a five year relentless unending investigation of the president. Look you know. L. This investigation has been a witch hunt. It has been excessive. It has gone too far. Fifty billion dollars hundreds of F. B. I.. Agents finding across the nation examining in detail macroscopic lives of people maybe the most intense investigation. I only have a president but if anybody ever says when they tell you it's not about sex and when you hear somebody say this is it's not about sex it's about sex it's about sex and so the most memorable line I think maybe of that trial right. He's trying to get at the nub of it and when he saying the number of it is is forget the legalisms what it really is going after a guy who couldn't keep his pants on and yes that's reprehensible and yes he should be condemn for it but does it rise to the level of impeachable offense and he says look. I feel angry at bill. Clinton you pick your own adjective if to describe the president's conduct indefensible outrageous unforgivable shameless. I promise you the president would not contest any of those are any others but the danger but and it's the big right right. This is the pivot but Zach say is to the political process and dangerous for reasons spirit by the framers about legislative control control of the executive. So don't leave a precedent from which we may never recover and almost surely will regret. None of this offends the integrity of the republic. In the way the framers really meant it and Senator Bumpers makes the point that the American American people agree with seventy percent of us. Think he's doing a fine job. Sixty five to seventy percent of us. Don't want him removed from offers. The polls show that two thirds of public did not want him impeach and remove from office. They didn't think he was particularly moral guy but they thought he was doing a good job in office. They thought the economy was doing well and they thought that this was not worthy of impeachment. And that's what bumpers is trying to say. He sang these hundred jurors. Look your politicians. Let's face it the public doesn't want you to remove him from office vote to acquit. You go immediately to the People's agenda but if you vote to convict you can't be sure what's going to happen. And this is a political process is not a strictly judicial process and the public view of course plays a role in influencing public servants as they make that judgement. They're calling on you to do your solemn duty pray you will so peter after the managers make their case after the presence. Laura's make their case. How does that question of the witnesses ever get resolved? In the Clinton Sancho were so in the end they came to a compromise and the compromise was they would have three witnesses no more and they would not be interviewed on the floor. They did not again. What Monica Lewinsky? Talking about sex on the floor of the United States Senate instead they would be interviewed in depositions by the two sides with two senators. Each deposition. Serving as kind of judges is and that those depositions would be videotaped sometime back in December of nineteen ninety seven in the morning December the seventeenth. Did you receive a call call from the president and each side could then use excerpts from those videotapes on the floor to show to the senators and so in the end the three witnesses they interview Monaco Ski Vernon Jordan. who was the president's good friend and helped get a job or Monica which was seen As -struction act and Sidney Blumenthal who spread You know malicious rumors about Monica Lewinsky. Those were the three witnesses. They didn't change the outcome but they were heard. And there was at least some witness testimony right ultimately as we know the presence legal team and the president's argument carries the day right forty five senators having pronounced William Jefferson Clinton President United is dates guilty as charged fifty five senators having pronounced not guilty when it comes down to the final vote. The Article One alleging perjury tails on a forty five to fifty. Five two thirds of the senators president. Not Having pronounced him guilty. The Senator Judge is that the respondent William Jefferson and Clinton President United States is not guilty as charged in the first article of impeachment meaning that ten Republicans join all forty five Democrats in voting. Not Not guilty. On the second article they consider which is on obstruction they voted fifty fifty so five Republicans joined the Democrats Democrats to acquit. The president he's sixty seven votes to convict so they were nowhere close. It is therefore ordered a judge said William Jefferson Clinton be any hereby his acquitted of the charges in the set articles What do you make of that? Many Republicans crossing the aisle and agreeing with the Democrats not to convict a Democratic president. I think it says something about with public was as Dale Bumpers had told them. The public didn't want president removed from office. And I think at least a handful of Republicans found that a compelling compelling argument. These are senators from states. Probably that were more moderate or middle of the road and maybe some other states but in the end. They knew he wasn't going to be convicted. I think that they decided that they didn't like the president of a removed from office on the grounds that had been presented to them. So Peter how should we think about the way that the Senate Senate conducted itself during that Clinton trial well in the end. Trent Lott and Tom Daschle accomplish what they wanted to accomplish. They had a process that wet. What forward and a semi at least dignify ways possible that Senate did not break down into ugliness the way that they had feared and in fact the two of them Daschle Roland Lot shook hands at the end of the day after the vote on the floor and Daschle said we did it and lost said we sure did and it was really a striking mood? There was this sort of momentary comedy among senators of both sides that they had executed their duty and his faithful away as possible. And I remember there were a couple of democratic. Staffers afterwards was on the floor watching all of this and they were kind of actually distraught about it. When I'm says how long you think this era of good feeling last and the other one responsible not long and I hope and sure enough? It didn't right it didn't last very long at all and it certainly didn't last until this moment. No I mean when you think about that trial and the trial that's now getting underway in the trump impeachment. What are the most striking breaking differences to you? I mean just listening to you talk. I counted so many differences but I wonder which ones stick out the most to you. Well I think there are obviously see parallels are echoes but the things that are really different are this desire I think to stand together as Republicans and Democrats and get through this this moment without breaking apart. You don't see that today Mitch. McConnell is not sing Tao with Chuck Schumer the two of them are not co piloting this trial not at all to do any kind of consensus conclusion knows even making the pretense and a lot of ways of going into this as impartial jurors. There are more than vocal about you know saying saying which side they're on before the arguments even get started not that they didn't twenty years go to but they believed that there was at least a duty to give voice to the idea that they they were GonNa go into it and listen to the evidence before making up their minds right. I mean I'm struck that Mitch McConnell. Who is the Trent? Lott of this era literally said out loud that the outcome was predetermined and that he was coordinating the Republican Senate trial strategy with the president. Be taking cues from the person at the center of the trial. That's right yeah. Trent Lott called Tom Daschle Mitch. McConnell called Donald Trump Right there was the Senate. Republican deleted wanted to coordinate with Senate Democratic leader twenty years ago today the Senate. Republican leader wants coordinate with the White House and that's a big difference. Obviously not the Daschle was was not at odds with the Clinton White House. He wasn't but he did believe that. Had to maintain a certain degree of independence. There was an arm's distance the he should maintain as as a member of a coequal body of government and that his role as a senator was not to be an agent of the White House even if in the end he was their ally Peter. What do the differences that you have just identified? What did they tell you about our politics right now and precisely how they work well? Bill Clinton did not command the party the way Donald Trump commands his party. And so we're so used to the way things are today. But in that era a president had to maintain support within his his own party and it wasn't guaranteed that he would have it and the parties have become more homogeneous than they once were. There are very few conservative Democrats anymore. Very few liberal Republicans. There's very few moderates in the middle. Who might you know work together or see things the same way? You are very strongly on one side or the other and anybody who drifts from that finds himself or herself punished or ostracized or left out and so I think we're gonNA find out now in effect. What the Senate is to be in this current era? If it's meant to be the place that cool the partisan edges that brings people together in a way that the house doesn't will that be the case over the next three four five weeks or will in fact be another version of the house. Will it just be one more partisan outcome one more partisan fracas fracas that leads to no consensus and no sense of finality or judgment. And I think that in a way people are saying these days while the Senate is on trial in some as it is in some ways the Senate is going to be judged itself in how it handles these serious charges and decides what to do about them and if you're right that the Senate is on trial just as much as donald trump it feels at this point given everything. You've just said head that we kind of know the verdict on the Senate these days. Well Yeah we probably do. I don't WanNa be cynical about it but It's not starting off off in a way that makes you feel like you're going to end the process with a feeling of at the Senate has transcended the moment right. I think that forgetting the outcome just how we get to the outcome matters. And they're starting off in a way that looks very different than we saw twenty years ago in a way that seems like the outcome. The only thing that matters and not how their thank you Peter Thank you Senate. Republicans and Democrats publicly clashed over the sheep scope and length of impeachment trial. That will reconvene this afternoon. New highlighting the depth of their divisions during a news conference on Sunday Senate Minority Leader. Chuck Schumer lashed out the Senate Majority Leader Mitch. McConnell complaining that McConnell had yet to disclose the proposed rules for the trial and accusing him I am planning rushed and unfair trial whether it's because McConnell does the trials to cover up and wants to whip through it as quickly as possible or because he's afraid even more evidence will come out he's trying to rush it through. That is wrong and it is so wrong that but no one even knows what his plan is day and a half. Before one of the most momentous decisions any senator will ever make on Monday night. McConnell released leased his proposed rules for the trial giving Democrats little time to review them before they are voted on this afternoon in. 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Those those Boyer's submitted a brief to the Senate urging the body to swiftly dismissed the impeachment charges against the president and offering their first legal argument since the trial began in the brief lawyers rejected booth articles of impeachment adopted the House because they do not state any specific violation of the law but the Times described that argument as unnatural and widely rejected interpretation of Congress's power to impeach a prison. That's it for today. I'm Michael Burbach.

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That inflation was not going to kick in, but it actually has. Kicked in. For real estate in a big way And certain other thanking you guys want to go into that. You're welcome to. Yeah. So the You're starting with the covert shutdown, the pandemic you've seen inflation in things that. That are being used right now, and that has a lot to do with you know just supply and demand but you look at. Bicycles medical care newspapers, TV, recreational books, cleaning products, rent, all of these things you've seen. Prices go up now. So you're seeing inflation in these areas and I mean you think about? It's You had the inflationary pressure from the supply side because you couldn't get enough stuff I mean think about toilet paper I mean you're you're seeing inflation in some of these things where you had the shortage just from supply and demand. and. I have said in the past that inflation is a psychological phenomenon but. I want to. Maybe modify that by saying it can also be an economic phenomenon when You don't have enough of something. And people want more of it right? That's true and that's what they call. a supply shock. Our inflation that has caused by. it's called cost push inflation cost push We saw something similar in the early seventies when there was an embargo on Oil coming from the Middle East Bear Deborah long lines just because. The supply of oil a lot of oil went away and prices shot up. So it could be both you know it could. Definitely be a psychological phenomenon Where if there is a feeling amongst consumers that prices are going to keep rising than there is Consumers are more inclined to spend and buy things in that situation where whether it'd be homes or any goods. So if you think the prize of a TV that you need is going to go up in the next year. Then there's a good chance to buy the TV today But we know that in certain goods like electrons computers, you know it's been it prices have consistently gone down over the years but as this pandemic has showed. That that there are certain goods like you know bicycles, for example. Where Prices have been going up just because all the for San more and more people, biking or more people are. Reading. Newspapers. So. Are you saying newspapers are going up? That's what this article says. which don't get because I mean I don't know I I guess that's subscribing to newspapers online perhaps. That would be. Something that would be not dependent upon raw materials. It's just another Internet subscription, right? It's odd. But maybe the cost of I think that it's the cost of intellectual content. That people are. You know wanting to charge more for I think maybe it should be the cost of news. Instead of newspaper. The fake news ought to be free. The good stuff ought to come with a cost but. The newspaper itself is a seems to be a thing of the past. But that that's interesting about inflation though you know when it comes to your money We have you know very low and we've been in a long environment of very low stated headline inflation But when it really comes to your pocketbook, you're still seeing. Your cost of living going up even in a low. Inflation environment you're still seeing things that you use every day. Your cost of living is going up Yeah, and. So some of those things aren't. Included in the CPI right or are there included there? They've got a low waiting the I would say they have a locating because the CPI is. They brought basket said probably. Of that, you know, Mike that brought something to mind. We did a video earlier today marketing video. We're going to be rolling out and you mentioned how important it was. In the investing scheme of things to keep up with inflation and it hasn't been an issue. Lately. But with the becoming more of an issue becomes even more important how your portfolio structured right right because. Just like compounding Groza portfolio. Inflation, which is a compounding effect decreases the purchasing power of your dollars right and that's why it's so important to. When you're investing being in something that will hopefully. Keep pace with inflation. And then with. Withdrawals. If you're taking income from it but what is it that the Fed us CPR's at PC at the Fed uses They use CPI I as the benchmark. the PC's consumption expenditure they. Refer to that too, and they're pretty much tied for the pretty close. but when when they set their in inflation policy that looking at the CPI and just Headland Zippy nudes food and energy but this is something know we've talked about. You know since the financial crisis, you know deflationary pressures, inflationary pressures You? You look at. You know low interest rates or you look at the the cost to retire. Now there's been a lot of inflation in the cost to retire takes a lot more money now to retire and live on than it than it did ten fifteen years ago. So you're having inflation there. You know what's I it's such a personal thing what's inflationary versus deflationary if you're a borrower. We've had deflation because interest rates come down you know your money goes further if you're borrowing money but if you're a saver or you're living on that money, it's been a very difficult time because you're getting one percent on a CD now and so it. that. Translates into the the market and what we're seeing with where things are today but it's such a personal thing if it's inflation or deflation Y- inflationist personal. Yeah. Because it goes down to what you spend money on. Right? Yes, so inflation for someone who is twenty years old is going to be a lot different than it is for someone who is in their seventies just because they're consuming. A different basket of goods and services. and we know that medical. CARE is becoming more expensive Yeah but it it. It has kind of slowed down a little bit here lately as I understand it, you've got things like good. Rx. Right which enables you to get medicines for a lot cheaper than most doctor appointments haven't gone up that much I don't know what surgeries are doing those kinds of things right hassle and I mean that's one area and the second area as college education where for years these two kept going up but now you're starting to see our technologies playing a role in. Bringing costs down that both college education because you can learn a lot of things on line. And had care of rare. Because of things that good rx and because of telemedicine you know you're able to do things in a cheaper way than you could before. So I I I'll timidly technology is what drives lower prices when it comes to syllabi stinks I mean even when you think of commodities, we saw big. Technologically driven revolution in oil and gas back annoyed or nine, but sheldon hydraulic fracking Oregon. So ultimately that brought down the price of you know drilling for oil and gas. So I think ultimately technology does had bring down prices But it's it's always a battle between Labor and technology. So sometimes, you know the cost of labor can push inflation up or down. And sometimes you know if Labor remains stable and technology can bring down. Prices. So now we may be in a situation where. You. Know there have been enough technological gains, but his is labor. Labor costs going to start moving up and that's the second article. That's what it talks about Rare. Basically since the nineties we've had a downward pressure on labor costs just because China and eastern. Europe at mentioned to regions became a part of The you know globalized. System. Which means that a lot of goods that were produced tear or somewhere else started being produced in China and Eastern Europe and the cost of labor. There was so much cheaper that. The cost of those goods became so much cheaper and now we are at a point there There's been a shift in demographics both in China and in Eastern Europe where Labor is no longer as cheap. so Will that result in you know Of Flip there we actually do stat seeing inflation, go up in goods and services so the. Labor arbitrage right? No longer exists as as much as it did before, right? That's right. And You know we are also in a period of what you would call it D- globalization. So basically the seventies and in fact post World War Two the world became more and more global the EU form the block. And then in the seventies China. into the world that it became a member of the World Trade Organization but diplomatic relationships with China, opened up. Under Nixon in the seventies and then in the early nineties India became part of the Global System. So and now in the last few years, the opposite has been happening where you know the EU is starting to break up a little bit with Brexit China's. You know become I guess you know not a very good player in the Global System. So there's a backlash against China throughout the world. So. There is. Just US right right. So I mean, these are things which may result in you know what you would call. A move away from globalization which means that you know the Labor arbitrage even if it exists. It could you know go away and you might see more manufacturing move back onshore So now the question is you know with technology be able to offset some of the Labor arbitrage is that go away Or. Does it take time before technology catches up and? you know. had. A prices stable. But the other thing on you look at millennials and you know the Initially people thought you know as the baby boomers age they're gonNA stop spending on his much. Stuff and then GonNa have deflation in those areas or prices coming down not as much demand but you're seeing in. Real estate or these other things that millennials are now. Where they're starting to have families, cars real estate where they're having families moving out of the cities into the suburbs. You're seeing a lot of upward pressure on thanks for the millennials are spending money more money than was anticipated. Yes. That's that's true. So millennials are not only spending more money, but the millennial generation is also going going to inherit the wealth combat to any generation So I guess they're aware of that. So they are feeling more comfortable. Do spend money consume now. So I mean the the US does have pretty favorable demographics compared to a western Europe or Japan the population. Your is declining a the growth rate slower than it was post World War Two but it still more favorably compared to a few other countries plus. The US has been more immigration friendly primarily post sixties and that has also offset some of the decline in population which you know country like Japan or European countries haven't been. So the demographics are more favorable than that has kept up you know economy Going, what are you have more supply workers that that's one of the major inputs for inflation is cost of wages and when you have workers coming in. It tends to keep the costs down plus You know other Labor saving. Technological Advances that Technology continues to make or maybe not as much as it did in the. In the. Previous years but it. It. Creates Costs benefits which. You know keeps the cost of labor down. You don't have to work as hard at certain things I'll tell you something to his just. been. An incredible cost saver. Is the ability to go to a gas pump and put your car in at the pump pump gas in leave instead of having to go in wait in line while somebody's buying lottery tickets in front of you and. And pay for your gas there. Right huge. Yeah. Or? Most most recently you know you do. Curbside pickup or things like that. You know at at target instead of going in target, you do a pickup or a kroger ordering from Amazon or somebody's gotTa, bring that out to you. So let's bring it out but I don't have to go in and pick it up. That's true and it takes time shopping right or get distracted by other things that you don't need exactly exactly, which may be a downside for the. Retailer because there are a lot of impulse buys when you walk through the House but I find now wearing a mask. I. Tend to move a little more quickly when I go in anyway. I don't like that whole the way that feels but I do. Cooperate with the whole thing. hey guys. One thing that I want to circle back around real quickly with the. Something we talked about also on the video is with the fixed. With the inflation going up and the fixed payment of some annuities. That's another thing that. I mean I inflation is real and. If, you're taking a fixed dollar amount that's being provided to you being an annuity, your whatever it is. If it's five hundred dollars a month this year in twenty years thirty years, it'll be five hundred dollars still. Not Adjusted? For inflation. Well. That brings us to break I. Thank you for bridge in that few seconds. You're listening to the Tom DuPrey show. Coming to you from there'd be. Financial Group studios on Main Street. We'll be back in just a few minutes with more. The Tom Duprey show stay tuned. Branch dot. COM BLUFF, we're the great big collection no steamboats stuff. Many voices. Supporter I believe that there's more the countless opinion, some more the attacked trump I believe this whole by male drugger and one place staff the conversation newsradio six, thirty WLA. Hi. 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Covered by a lot of people, but it was actually written by John Hartford. used to play it on the Sleng Campbell show which was ob. HECKUVA show. Named Glen Campbell ended up doing a version of it himself I'm sure he did and But Glenn, the Glen Campbell show features, all kinds of. Artists and they weren't just country they were. You, know bluegrass. All kinds of news. And I join Campbell was a star. Between us but John Harford was Kinda liked the coast door. All right. because. Trump says no more stimulus talks then he says, yes, let's talk about He. kind of went back and forth That was right in the middle of the COVID crisis. What disturbs me. About this market. Is that it has put. So. Much. interest or heft. Behind the idea of stimulus which we know. Is Funny money printed by the Fed and doled out. However they do it. and. It just adds to the national debt and yet the stock market's. Like a crack Addict San. You know we want this to happen for things to rally and that bugs me because I. Don't think that's Fiscally, responsible but. The market evidently. Is Looking for that. I. Don't know whether we're GONNA get stimulus or not Pelosi's now. Acting like she didn't want to give trump the. Victory or Whatever? And so it's interesting. I'm I'm not sure what's going to happen right? It yes. So this week you had on Tuesday when trump said, you know we're we're doing away with the stimulus talks you had the market which was positive. You know reverse course when that happened and then on Wednesday. So we're gonNA piece millet, and then you had you know since then the market's been coming back beyond where it was on. Monday But on the stimulus side. I agree with you. But on. You look at I mean, this was a government imposed shutdown. And You know you look at, you think about people that you know we mortgages or different loans, different things, and if their business was shutdown. Forced a shut down. Then, you know then we're passing through, you know this this income that's allowing them to make the payments to avoid a default which would. Stream which which would you know? Snake all the way through the economy, right where you start having these these waves of defaults and then the the leverage on top of that So I I get it, but it it to me I don't know what the alternative would be unless they go back to square one where they didn't do a shutdown but they did forced it. And I don't know what the alternative would be. It's amazing. The shutdown of what three four, five weeks. The. Trillions of dollars that it's cost I mean. Yeah. Yes. You know you. Always you can look back and say, well, D-. Done this could on this. What if it were? Okay, a mask mandate, but everything stays open. Accomplish both I mean, there's just all these different things that could've done happened or you spend instead of the the relief payments spend all that on testing you know, and then you don't have to do the shutdown then you know it might cost a trillion dollars, but it's not gonNa cost trillions multiples of that down the line. There's there's so much that could have been done differently. Looking back on it. But where we are today. I don't know. I don't know what the alternative is for people. You know that were laid off forced out of work or going to miss a payment potentially if they don't get that. Stimulus or that relief. Check I don't know. Yet I mean there. Really isn't much of an alternative given the situation unemployment still at seven point, nine percent and. Now. The question is. When you start opening everything up you know will businesses start hiring right away just because their balance sheets have also been hurt so Or they barilla's they don't need the people that they thought. They needed. That's a whole nother thing that people that have spin at home over this time. And or the real estate, the offices right that Companies realize they don't need that much space. So this is just Literally thirty two minutes old. McConnell, not clear. Stimulus bill gets passed. Before Election Day. So. He doesn't expect Congress in the White House to come to an agreement on the covid nineteen relief. Although the trump administration made another offer worth one point, eight, trillion dollars hours later. So you know. It it may be a moot point. Go ahead I mean yeah I was just GonNa. Say so timidly. What the government is trying to do is just offset the mind that's gone away So the hope is that there's stimulate the economy now. And ultimately, the result in higher taxes, seats and higher GDP growth whether it be a year from now or even six months from now and that love said the negative impact of the stimulus at least that's the hope. remember exactly how will play out because every stimulus has a what's known as a multiplier effect. So if you spend money on building a bridge, the multiplier effect may be higher than spending that money on buying a TV you know So if you don't know what the multiplier effect will be, but I, think any government in this situation because this is happened throughout the world and basically the response of every government throughout the world has been the same which is to try to stimulate now. With the hope that. You know businesses will come back a few months from now in May for that. The the amount of debt. Though that's pink created is worrisome. It is. Yeah. So the debt of the government now is the highest it's been since nineteen forty three, which is during World War Two, a debt to GDP is crossing one hundred percent. We know after World War Two what happened was? You know there was a massive boom. Baby boomers boom population boom in economic activity, and that completely offset. The increase in debt. We don't know of that repeat now. So that's the question. If he have enough economic activity say over the next ten years do start bringing down this this debt. Talk a little bit about. Why the market wants stimulus and what? Stimulus does to the to the stock market. I think also really what it does is. It heads the profitability of businesses. That's what it comes down to. So the market has projection of earnings for all the various companies that end market. And and absence of stimulus some of the demand which these businesses expect may go away. and they may be forced to either not hire or even layoff more Employees. So the markets worry is that if that happens, then consumption will decline and business profits with ultimately declined. To you know the talk of stimulus tha be has gotten tied to just how profitable the businesses would be and what endings for the be for the year. I think there's there's two parts to the stimulus. There's the direct payment to the consumers which that directly goes to. Buying TV or paying your mortgage or whatever it may be or saving it So that's that's the the first part of the relief for stimulus but the second part of it is just the lower interest rates which from from a corporate standpoint what that's. Kind of one of the the moral hazards will You'll companies that naturally would have had a hard time possibly gone bankrupt that were already trending that way. This is giving them a lifeline and it's kind of like they may not be very good. To begin not very good business to begin with. But that's the Aka Zombie company where there. If rates weren't where they are currently, they would not be around and so what that means. That's another example kicking. The can down the road where when interest rates inevitably go up at some point if it's next year or ten years down the road. If these companies, if they've not been able to turn their business around whatever business that is when that debt comes due and they are either painted off or role in it, they're not gonna be able to pay the higher rates. Well, they can issue it now at basically zero interest Megan you know. So it's it's not like you're having to pay anything for the money, and if you have a balloon payment somewhere down the line, you know you're hoping you're going to be able to do that but. That's a lot of debt for for some people right just. It. It's more debt than they probably should've taken on during normal times. And they've taken it on now hoping that. You know really just hoping to stay afloat and probably not thinking about how they're actually going to retire the debt, right? Yeah. That's right there just. Tread water trying to keep their head of the company is. But at some point that comes do so as as an investor, you have to be very careful of that because there are record amounts of. Investment Grade Bonds that are just teetered on the edge of not being investment grade and if you start having interest rates come up, that's when you start having those downgrades in. That's kind of the the steamroll. effect. Yeah, and we've seen. downgrades happened in the past you know yeah you know what? That's all about yeah, and and all for the listeners if a if a credit is downgraded. What that means let's say they issued bonds at five percent. And the company's rating gets downgraded Then new debt that's issued, it might be at five and a half six percent dependent on where they are, and so when that company has to roll the five percent into the five, an effort six percent, they may have a hard time making the interest payments if they can't make the interest payments. That's a default that's that's the bankruptcy. Okay. Muhammadu are on had an article. That It's interesting he. He's talking about How the? Pandemic has affected. Financial Markets And YOU WANNA Kinda get into it. Right. So What what he's basically talking about is that the pandemic has resulted in. A terrible economic situation on the ground. And as governments trying to you know stimulate economies and trying to offset some of this damage that's been done. But we've seen that the stock market overall has continued to do. Of course when you break down the stock market, every sector has done as well but overall, stock market primarily driven by tech stocks you know has been doing. Okay. So he says that there's a disconnect between. Reality on the ground and what's going on with the market? Yes, and part of the reason is that investors since the financial crisis have become accustomed to thinking that you know every time there's a problem. The Fed will step in lower interest rates are bumping liquidity and the market has basically every single depp has been bought since the financial crisis. So it's almost become automatic for investors to buy dips you know even saw with. The last drop that we had in March it was quite a big drop but In February. In fact, February march and you know by April is marketed standard rallying again and up you know within a few months recovered everything that it had. Lost so And various acronym said Ricky pure. As bt D, which is by the Ti Anna. Alternative, which means said when interest rates are basically zero veterans do you put your money? You know so people putting their money in the stock market for more fear of missing out. So these are motion said are very prevalent and his fear is that things may not really improve like Kaz expected the expectation that even though things are bad right now, they'll get better. But what if they don't? Get better. You know I invest as becoming over zealous when it comes to the market raises consent. It it is just still amazes me no in the. How in the March Downturn March twenty third on the market bottomed how that by the dip mentality was still intact and it was it was from largely or partly from a the the younger generation you know the the Robin Hood Effect but there was this. Still, this bull market frenzy that Bot down there that rallied everything that just yeah you think of water it's GonNa take to break the by the dip mentality where 'cause we saw it in a wait no nine where. The consensus was. This. This is you know possibly never gonNA, come back. You didn't really have that in March you had the violent. Volatility just record volatility but you didn't have that long term consensus where it was drug out over six months eight months where this is never coming back because it's just this drudgery day after day where it just keeps ICAN out lower making lower lows right and it was interesting just anecdotally in March April was like on various websites and social media I'd see people posts about what stocks by mostly young youngsters in their twenties, thirties and their thinking was that you know. Stocks obvious. Go Up and no matter what you know bide now and twenty years from now if you don't make money right now we make money twenty years from now. So That notion that investing is risky. Is. A little absent. especially with the younger generation. And they're not buying. A Mutual Fund or an Index Fund de they are actually buying individual stocks and a lot of cases where. Yeah Tesla being one of them term. Yes. so We are not in a period of you know. Equities are just hated and haven't been in that period since the financial crisis. Well, March of Oh nine when the Dow got to sixty eight hundred. Yes that. They were hated hated. After, they came back some to. because I I remember I sent a letter out to a bunch of people. By here and I had really. Very negative Sort of reaction to it. People were angry. Why you know, why would I do this? Kind of thing and it was. pretty good counter indicator. That the market was cheap when people get angry at you for. Sending him a letter, right? Right. I I was just GonNa say what what we do know is that the markets today are relatively not cheap We don't know how expensive they can become because we saw in the late nineties they did it become very expensive valuation-wise before it all unraveled. But what we do know is that relative to avoid or nine markets are quite expensive, right? You. Talk about the the youngsters that are buying these individual stocks because Hey I have twenty thirty years before. I need it. That's the. That's very risky. because. Like you said, the the notion of risk is there. You're just assuming that it will go up. We saw in the tech bubble. Things that did go to zero or that took decades twenty years to come back. Well, that wraps it up for this week. Fast our thanks for listening. Listening to the Tom Decrease show power by duprey financial group coming to you from the Financial Group studios on Main Street. We hope you'll go to our website if you like which you heard. You can find podcast of our past radio shows. You can also find those podcast anywhere you listen to your favorite podcast. Thanks for joining us this week, and we will talk to you again next week. Have a great week. Around ten. Pretend to hold you. Stories you're thinking about. 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We can tell you The SEC has been discussing a ten game conference only season for a couple of weeks now and most would expect all the leaks to follow suit. You talk about some really good Games off the board. Just from the big ten alone second week of the season, you had state and Oregon it. It was eagerly anticipated a game as there was in the preseason many other really good games as well Notre Dame and Wisconsin. Just for starters a lot of really good in interconference games, but those are now by the wayside, and now we wait and see what everyone else does, and then we watch and wait over the next couple of weeks to see. If this virus decides to leave us alone, so we can get back to normal life with your back to the calls. Eight, five, five, two, four, two, seven, two, eight, five and Dr Goal is up next anymore, Hello Dr. Paul. Thanks for taking my call. Thank you had a few. you know non-active moments early in the day I think I never talk show. And maybe it was a re- rerun or whatever, but. Today on ESPN. Yes sure I was on the yeah, you would probably say me. Yeah some some very kind of sober thinking and commentary to one on during that period and Think about the season if you guys are GonNa Play College Football you know, I, look at the Ivy and the. No comparison athletically between Ivy and the SEC obviously, but I think that some of the dynamics that let the ivy to make the decision they may. Think that those dynamics are more relevant to a lot of the of a conference. The cost benefit relationship, you know how you do that. Fans and all that I think the mid majors, and certainly the visionary schools look a lot more like that. Than, let's say the SEC which if you guys really determined that you had to resolve the have a season. You can have one just as a standalone conference and put your games on CBS and ABC and kind of dominate the Airways because it's the SEC. Then in that case, it might just become a a resolve in terms of what do you do if and when? Players start to test positive, but certainly just from a resource perspective on the SEC is a lot different than a lot of the the our conferences, and so yes, some of the already modifying their schedules, and some of them will find that look. This is beyond a safety factor in some conferences. It's just going to simply be probably cost prohibitive to have a football season because of you know all the dynamics and disparity in resources, and I teach. I teach crowns. Ca I teach college and I I teach on the ground and also teach online I prefer students to be in class. But looking at all things considered we haven't had any students in class I had to teach online. And so you know we we have a lot of. Headwinds there a few callers on May even again to the politics of the matter right now, unfortunately, that is part of the equation, and so you have a lot of headwinds in terms of having to start a season and the fantasies, and then it comes down to also. What do you do when people start testing positive when people say that you're planning above public health and safety, you know so quite a bit on pack there. Will thank you very much. always a pleasure to talk to you, so again. Let me update. It's now official. The big ten has at the top of the hour. Four o'clock eastern has released a statement. Mostly boilerplate. Conferences don't ever talk about football. They talk about everything. That's just the lingo of a of collegiate athletics so where they say that the big ten. Announced today that if the conference is able to participate in fall sports. Women's cross country field hockey, men and women soccer volleyball so on and so forth then it will be conference only While, this has been going on the ACC Commissioner John Schwab. Who announced a week ago retiring? said that and Heatherton Heatherton and. So, this should be a surprise, but she He announced that. If the League adopts an all conference schedule, which of course they will notre dame likely will be in the mix. They already have six ACC opponents on the board, so that certainly would make for good television. But here that is where we are at this hour, only an hour into the program. Logan is up next. Hello, Logano, welcome to the show. Thanks Paul, how are you doing today? We're doing great. Great Show I really appreciate your last caller I want to try to keep it. Again, but I did love the conspiracy call yesterday. About the gentlemen Dr Algae. That was yeah. That was I. Mean I'm not even trying to. Show that was great. I mean I think people would put. That much effort in something real. We get somewhere But I guess what I'm calling about. Today is like I guess the writings on the wall right now, I. Mean There's Power Five? That's GONNA be the only option now for the. College football season for what we can see. After. Catan coming out today, Do you think it's logistically possible for them to rearrange the schedule to to play a nine or ten. Sec. Yeah I I would be I would tell you with with confidence scheduled already been done. you know. Commissioner Sankey said they they've been working on contingencies. Logan? And one of the contingencies was always conference. Only in fact, it was the first thing I heard If there was a there was a problem with an interruption of the season, it's the easiest thing to manage and you know with tha. To play ten games over thirteen fourteen weeks is easier to deal with. Got Me. That's what I was thinking I mean I. I have my own opinion about how how college will go and I think that playing more conference games is going to be the way to go, and unfortunately you know. The non power, five conferences are probably GONNA get left out, but I think there's a way you can do it. going forward that may we can. We can maybe include them in a playoff system, but logan by I don't mean to be I. don't mean to be a killjoy here, but I I think people are are missing. Missing with this is really all about. I frankly think the conferences are just using diversionary tactics to get people off the real issue, and that's the fact that the season is slipping away and listen to this for a second. This is in the the big ten announcement. If. The conference is able to participate in fall. Sports based on medical advice. I mean that. That right there. Is a legal. Hang out that we are no longer in control this decision. Yeah, I agree Paul I mean unfortunately I mean I'm I'm trying to look on the bright side of it? I'm sorry I just. I just. I don't want people running around going now. Okay, well, you know. When does When does Alabama play In this new schedule what about Michigan and Iowa I mean. I mean they're these guys are killing time right now. there there time waiting to see which way the wind is blowing. And I mean I'm I'm GonNa get he's comment here in a second I don't some of you may have missed it but so so logan. Hey, thanks for the call. Really appreciate I. Don't know Dan. If you've got it ready, but this is Greg. Sankey late last night. I want to be optimistic, but the reality is publicly and. We have to discipline ourselves. To remain healthy as a culture. And that relates to some of the behaviors. We've seen that have caused the spread to accelerate. And I've been optimistic, but I'm prepared that optimism is not reality and what I'm concerned about is reality has been changing and has caused me to not be as optimistic as I may have been thirty days ago, but throughout it all we've been prayer preparing and planning and thinking about what pivots we have to make. Those are the important decisions over the next. You know three four five weeks that are going to be in Toronto. Boss given what's happening. In the public health. You Go, we'll take a break booger McFarland. Joining Shirley, including your phone calls the rest of the way eight, five, five, two, four, two, seven, two, eight, five. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. Hello! This is your apartment. I need some favors from you. Your cat keeps rubbing against the kitchen island and I can't return the favor. Can you give her extra pets for me after that? Could you bundle your renters and car insurance with GEICO? We could save money, and it's easy to do online and one lasting. Could you leave the TV on during the day I need to catch up on my soaps Geico for bundling made easy. Go to Geico, DOT com today. So we welcome you back a lot of news out there today Big. Ten officially announcing it will only play conference games Nicole Arabic of the. Athletic reporting that the PAC twelve will not be far behind that would knockout. Alabama se in the opener, probably the biggest win Klay Helton's ever had booger McFarland joining us on the program from ESPN. It's been too long booger good afternoon. What's going on Paul? How are you doing, buddy? Just hate I feel like. A. Squirrel chasing being chased by the neighborhood dog, trying to follow all this the college football news today I! It's it's endless and all bad. Well. And I think it's GonNa get worse to be honest with you Paul. I the power to be are GONNA, try to do everything from reception standpoint. They can't play because there's a lot of money involved, but I I've said this for the last couple of months. Paul ultimately here's where we get down to. You hear all these schools talking about. We're only going to allow ten thousand fans. Alabama says we'RE GONNA. Allow you know fifteen thousand fans, and they're doing it because the CDC tells the that in in order to the safest possible, we must socially distance from each other. But We're going to put one hundred and twenty five player and staff members on field, and and we're GONNA. Tell them to play football game. Like. It just doesn't make sense. It's never made so I think overall a lot of people are starting to take a look at it now and see I. It's just not going to be smart, and at some point they're gonna try to do it because there's a lot of money involved, and they're going to try to put on a good face and say hey, let's go ahead and do the season. Because economically. They don't want to Ban Sports or or get rid of sports, the way Stanford did having to give it a eleventh sports, but in the end Paul I. Don't think there's any way that you can honestly say that. We're doing everything we can do to keep the kids. The older coaches safe if we go out and play football. So I. Mean I I I. Know You've used. You've said it but. Forgetting whether we have it or not. You think we should have a college football season. Based on where we are. You know that's going to be dependent upon your risk and it's kind of like well. You know the way I live my life every day. Because my wife, she doesn't want to leave the house and. Tell her I said you know I don't want to just exist I wanna live, and I think that's the approach. A lot of people are taking around the country. And I think ultimately you know we can try, and we're going to trucks like the NBA is trying major league soccer trying baseball? GonNa try. But I think when you get to a point. If safety is paramount and minimizing loss of lives, it is at the front and center. How can you honestly say that? We should play right now and I think that's the thing that you know. There's a balancing act because you got so many of these ad in so many of these commissioners they have to balance the economic impact with the actual impact that it's having from a life standpoint dating day out like the safest thing to. Say. You know what we're not playing any sports? Until Twenty twenty one now by the time we get to twenty twenty one. Some schools may not have anything but football about the ball. You know some some corporate companies may not have the happy employees they had. That's the chance that a lot of people are willing to take just because they don't want to get in a situation where we lose any more unnecessary lives that we have to. I WanNa talk about that because. A lot of people do want to live life, and I think we all do it, but it it's a it's a real challenge booger and You've you've you've been a guy who's played the game at the highest level where there was risk every on every play, you've been at the highest level of broadcasting. How do we square this I? Know that's more of a philosophical question, but it is so different to to every different per every person out there and I think that's why we're all struggling through this. Well most people in America Paul hate to make decisions. We want someone to make decisions for us. We want someone to tell us what to do, and then will either go and do it or will complain about what that person told us to do. That's kind of how America's bill. They're very few leaders in this country, very few people that will take charge and are willing to deal with the consequences for the decisions that they make, and I think that's the problem with this. This country right now you have people in charge, commissioners and ad's that ultimately are determining the economic in in in the social fate for thousands of people, and you know everyone says time is on our side, and they're trying to push the decision back as far as they can. But at some point, you're paid a lot of money to make decisions such as the one that they're going to have to make in all these different sports. Do we play or do we not pay? Play and you know for hopefully they make the right decisions. I know the safest decision is to not play, and let's do it again and twenty twenty one and we'll figure it out. That's the safest thing, but I think people in this country have shown us that in order to. In order for them to be safe, they would rather risk that than to risk losing the money that we've lost over the last four months, and so I think people are willing to take the risk, but I know you know and I think everyone out. There knows what the safest thing to do. Which is to Canada sports? Come back in twenty twenty. One hopefully have a vaccine in. Let's try to pick up them. You know and I know that's not gonNA happen. Let me ask you. You're also a father and you know it's. You certainly understand and know what it's like to to go out and play college football as a parent Put your a lot of the parents of these players. What are they going through right now? And what are they thinking about these next few weeks? lot uncertainty. They don't know You know Paul when you're. A kid is being recruited. There's coast. It's GONNA show up at your house, and he's GonNa. Tell you everything about how he's GonNa, take care of your kids and he's GonNa. Put Him in the best position to be the best young man he can be both academically and athletically, and we're GONNA. Look out for young Johnny when he comes to our university, we're. GonNa, make sure that he does exactly what he's supposed to do, and he's the safest possible. And as a parent, you feel really good based on the choice that your kid makes, and now we're in a situation where they had wrong Nick Sabin Ryan they like these coaches cannot guarantee safety I mean Clemson has had what fifty people test positive up their lsu. Team it seemed like tested positive so like you're going to continue to get people that are gonNA test positive over and over and as a parent. Here's the thing that I know. If, it's not safe for my kids to go to school with sitting in the classroom. If it's not safe for the fans to come into stadium and sit and watch the game, then how the hell can, it'd be safer marquee out there on the feel. practicing the antithesis of social distancing which is football like that's the one thing that will be in my head. You're going to tell me that for twenty four hours a day. We have social distancing where a mask and wash your hands, but hey on Saturday at at three thirty when CBS and Gary Danielson and You Know Greenwich. And Bread Nestle. Yes you wanted to save earned didn't play football. I WANNA say Vernon so bad. Oh, but that's that's what we gotta deal with I as a parent that would be the conundrum that I would be doing I will be racking my brain at night. If if kids can't go, sit in. Classrooms and fans can't go sit in Stan. How is this pay for my kid? Go play football. No. It's a fair and listen. I don't I know you don't know none of us faulty effort I mean in every one of these guys. We what else what else is commissioner is supposed to do I mean they have to figure out a way. But it's becoming more difficult. Here's a here's a better question. I haven't watched the show television in a while I listened to them the radio. What's has situation like right now? There was a point early in the in quarantine where you have more hair than I've ever had in my. We didn't. Get up in my hair I mean I. I was I was starting to look like. Outside of the age and the lines I mean I was the sixteen year old Paul Finebaum rocker. Oh, I'm just curious. Have we got? The wife is Kinda trimming behind years ago. Yeah Yeah. I'm I'm looking normal again I I you. Got! Not Quite a marine haircut, but somewhere between that and And and my first day at at at kids camp. Paul is a better question because I just saw that the big ten GonNa is GonNa play a conference. Only schedule, right. Do you think that ultimately 'cause I I know? Greg Frankie likes to be a leader. He likes to be out front. He likes to lead the way because it just means more sec, but do you think that great sankey is GonNa follow suit, and at the SEC is GonNa play a conference only schedule. He may not right now I mean since we've been talking booger. The big ten is announced it. There's a report that the PAC twelve in the ACC. So unless he and Bob Bos. We WanNA play each other. They're out of options. I mean. At some point ball. GonNa have to come to their senses and say okay. We can cut out non conference games. We can cut out fans out of the stands, but at some point we're going to put these kids on the field, and we're GONNA. Make them play football, and ultimately we have to ask ourselves. Why are we putting all things out? Like? Why are we cutting out USC VERSUS ALABAMA? Why potentially we cutting out Texas LSU, because it's not safe. We're trying to talk ourselves into. Hey, if we pay a conference, only schedule, it can be safer. Well what the Hell is going to be the difference if USC in Alabama played in village, she goes the text the textbooks Lsu. What's the difference? It's still a hundred twenty five people each online. It's still twenty two people in the field playing football, but because if they non conference game, it's to be a little bit less safe than the conference. Only games like come on man. Well you know I I think they're wrong because. I mean Alabama played USC there'd be more contact in that game for Alabama than any game all year. What. based on what happened to within the last season. I I think wants to play every game. He came because I think. You know because Alabama's got a lot to prove especially especially what happened down the stretch so? I hope the season goes off. goes off as normal as possible I doubt it will I think at some point it's GonNa, get interrupted. Even does start at all and I think in the end as a football fan. We have to look in the mirror and say there. If. We go another nine months without football, and we can minimize the loss of life. You know what great job we can deal with life without football. We gotTA stop being selfish in this country until it hits home and you talk to the people that have lost loved ones because of Kobe nineteen and they'll tell you it's not worth it, but we're selfish, because a lot of people that listen to you are listening to you on the radio or meal on TV. They haven't been impacted directly, so it's like you know to some Kobe nineteen as We see the numbers on TV. We see the the specials daily, but until it hits home. It's Kinda like that unknown out there. Hopefully it doesn't affect as many people, but you know this thing is here to stay for a while at least until we get a vaccine and I think even though sports is a huge part of our. Hopefully, we can make the right decisions especially as it pertains to our young people kids that are seventeen to twenty years old, who are really playing amateur athletic. Even though it's not a business professionals, it's GonNa be a little bit different, but the amateur athletes the NC two A.. You know you and I. Both know their job. Hopefully the the. the in the commissioners will make the right decisions for these young kids. Bugger I I. Don't know what your plans. Oh, I! Don't read the TV sports blogs anymore, but if you considered running for president, I would vote for you. You know what Paul I'm really not into politics, although as much golf as the president play I think. He plays more than you. Hey you told me that I could play as much golf as about current president, I wouldn't care what the politics were lined up and go play golf in definitely run for president. well I. I've got some friends in Washington. We'll start getting you ready for twenty twenty four. I love it, my friend. Hey, great to have you on Bugger, thank you so much. Later Paul, what an amazing conversation! That was that was that was fun. You may not like everything he said, but you have to appreciate the person saying we'll take a short break back with more. Listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. It's your home. Speaking and I need you to do me. A couple of favors I could get that blueberry that rolled under the fridge last week. It's throwing my functions. Way Off second thing. Bundle your home and car insurance with. 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A lot of news the news to the last twenty four hours has been virtually endless. JD is up next from Huntsville Alabama holiday. Hey good afternoon Paul. When I listening to a bigger say that you know, it's just not safe to play football I. I had to laugh for a second like man. It's never been safe to play football You talked to any brains expert and they'll tell you my goodness football never gonNA be safe. This is GonNa Sound on Pretty Insane and you may say Oh. Jd, what are you talking about? You just go through. The numbers the month of April I think there was six death rate was about six point. Five percent of the people contracted. It may fell to five point six the month of two point six percent of the death rate. which what's happening is more. People are getting this virus more younger people are getting it I just I think we overreact a lot of times, and this is listen. If you're going to overreact, this would be something to overreact to because people die from this. I. Think if there's if there's kids in classes. There's GonNa be football. If kids on campus than there won't be football, but what do you think? I think you're You're pretty accurate. There and the you know. The Ivy League decided They're not bringing school. They're not students back, so they made their decision See that that's the issue This is college we're talking about. This is not the NFL. Thanks for the call JIM is up next. Artful God you think I called you at about eight or nine years ago. You any been awful about it all, but I'm GONNA. Tell you right now. And I'm I'M I? Come in full you wholeheartedly. What mcfaul and said I know it took a little courage him to stand out and do a similar to what hurts to. In E, even more bolder way. Are you there of course I'm here, yes? I saw the phone flash says why didn't know what was going on anyway? Here's what I'm trying to say for you know. McFarland is exactly right. It would take a coup to okay football at this point like he said it would be selfish irresponsible beyond belief, one person died. It would be the blood would be on anybody's hands. It promoted playing football or any other sport until they cleared out and nobody. It's okay to do I. Know you're worried I know. I was panicking worried about the fragile jobs being on the line. I know you don't like the fact that I'm just. Hey hold on one second, okay? I'm not worried about my job. that that has nothing to do with this. Wait a minute explaining that I didn't mean your job. Being law I'm in how hard it will be for another year, don't. Want to interrupt. Your point gets mad. Well. I'm going to get out of your way then. Okay, then, thank you. That's exactly what I meant. Though the fact that you don't have ball, all you people are panicking because you won't have to talk about jobs on the line I'm not saying yours, but there are many jobs on the line I'm sure some of the lesser people not like you can have. A solid contract will lose their job probably, but there's all kinds of reasons, but you know. I know and everybody, but often who knows football would be irresponsible. It would be. JUST STUPID MOVE! It'd be crazy and i. told you that before. You know, but I'll tell you a couple of. Again on psyche. You. You want me to write that down. You took about five minutes. Drive to try to make something out of him. He basically said there's no way we can play football. Ninety nine percent ninety nine nine tenths. percent is what he said that was. Not, even with silly-point left to okay football, and that's exactly what he said in his statement about the reality. The reality is not what you know. That's what he said. That's what he meant. You know that. It's not rocket science fall. No I didn't want US I agree I mean he. He certainly painted a bleak picture and I want to say if I could one more thing. I I would love to see the college football season. Because yeah, you're right. A lot of people are going to be hurt as a result, and that does bother me. Impact me and depress me to think about I mean. Sure, but back to what McFarland said back to reality I understand. Your point of view their understand your heartfelt care about that situation, but would it be what how would you feel? Would it not be worth? If if saving some jobs and getting people have football and half football. Sparing about ten lives or maybe just one life. No I I agree, listen. Jim We're in the same boat here and I think he eat me a little bit confused with with others I. I'm asking these questions every day. I've been playing. No I don't WanNa see one person died. That doesn't mean. Did I am the answer should be yes. Work losing losing some people's desire to have football and the planes it might it might be hard on Y'all or a lot of people not to have it the financial aspect, many other aspects of your word about. But, This is not just about. US having jobs, I mean college. Football is a multi billion dollar industry in this country, and but but hey I know right now as a talk show host, I think one way but I. Know I know as a college president I would be extremely careful to put anyone at risk because i. Would you, would you right now? Would you risk your? Whatever your reputation you're you're you're I the white word? No. Okay football as a commissioner right now. I couldn't. I couldn't sign off on the today. No. Thank you for at least being honest about it, but you know all you know. There's no way as of now. It looks like there's no way. No no safe way without endangering pot, probably and probably costing many. Jim That's why I think you heard Sandy. Talk about. The reality and the reality is. People can can give us death rates. All they want and people can go after those who talk about safety call them names or acronyms, but the point is this out of control right now and I saw something in the in some publication today. Talking about Alabama where you have I, mean I. Think Alabama if you rank the two countries in the world and use, and Alabama would rank as the eighth worst country in the world right now in terms of of the rise of this virus. At that on what you just said I went to the gas station going through about three hours ago. A lady young lady has on a mask. Free or four kids out of the car with no mask well. I told her I said. Please lady leave you. Make you kids back away from the right here. They were walking around the Puck, right in front of me and I didn't want him near me with a master. No mass and she did that, but my poetry. You about that is this. Paul I would like to. Share odd that ten percent of Alabama is not wearing a mass, and I can tell you why. The young people under thirty or forty or not doing they might show 'cause attitude. It is I worried about no plitvice. I ain't GonNa be no whissy Pussy. I'm not wearing no damn mass. That's attitude and I see it every day in the stores. All these guys walk around. Just nonchalant makes me mad. 'cause they didn't print on my face, but many women and guys all. Oh, wow, are not even think about wearing mass. and. and that's why the the numbers keep flying up exactly, but that's also why you can't risk football and they can't mafs. Don't play in football anyway. No I totally agree with you on that. Thank you. Thank you again. A part of the problem is what I'm about to read. And I'm really getting I mean just these athletic directors are driving me crazy. Gene Smith the Ohio state athletic. Just he's cautiously optimistic. Explain that. What does that mean? To say we'll we'll see. I mean cautiously optimistic I. Don't know what that means but but anyway I mean no none of these guys are optimistic. I'm telling you that that is pretty obvious. and they're just feeding the beast and I. And Speaking the truth here The season is in great danger We can obsess over whether the big ten's playing this or that. I mean that stuff is all. Trivial at the moment. Maybe we'll change That's why they're not making a decision yet. But if they had to make a decision today, they wouldn't have a season. We'll take a short break back with more. Listening to Paul Finebaum show podcast. GEICO's now offering an extra fifteen percent credit on car and motorcycle policies. That's fifteen percent on top of guy could already save you. So, what are you waiting for your baby to let you sleep in? Sleeping another half hour. Thanks Sweetheart. Her and you'll change yourself to. There's never been a better time to switch to GEICO. Save an extra fifteen percent when you switch by October seventh limitations apply visit GEICO DOT COM for details. We'll give you an update at the top of the hour on everything that has changed since we last talked to you and It there's a lot. It's been a another breakneck day in college football. Let's get back to the calls. And Talk to coach in Tennessee hello coach. Paul. How have you been I I'm well, thank you hope you are. I. Am thank you very much just to. In recovering from a little tornado damage, but other than that everything's going well so It's okay. Hey I actually. Listened to bigger and I, totally agree with that and I think you kinda hit the nail on the head to about the bath. Elect directors. Being you know the statements are putting out and my question to you, is you? There is a lot of problems in playing in the spring, but do you think they're C. C would go to ten games if it went to conference only in the spring and played in. The plan for the fall in the spring is ten games so I think that's you know hard to hard to figure out coach. What that means In, the spring, it makes more sense in the fall but Yeah. I mean I think they have a model for both, and and by the way when they when they say spring, I mean that depends on a million things, but I I cannot imagine that. We're not in significantly better shape in March than we all right now. Oh I agree and I think you know we've got a kind of. We got to kind of make adjustments based on what the viruses do it I just don't think we can just say. We're GONNA do this. You know it'd be like saying we're GONNA start the season. September knowing there's a very unlikely and I think I'd rather have I'd rather play a conference only scheduled in February or March, and have all the fans back then play in a conference only schedule in September when the virus is still running. That's one thing I don't know. Fans quite understand Ah Fans Aren't going to games this season. I feel pretty comfortable saying that there's I mean. There's there's too many. Complications and I've even heard that I mean they're not GonNa, let e even if they do it. have games. You're they're not letting people congregate. No I I just don't see that happening at all so. I was wondering about this he if they would if they had maybe yeah I. Model, those are fairly simple to do, but I mean the complication. I mean I've I've heard from for about a month now that the first part of the season was the most difficult because it forces a decision about right now, and they can't make a decision right now. True and you know I've heard the NFL issue to about you know players what might happen as players don't play because the NFL draft will probably not be moved in if they're gonNA, keep it probably in April no matter win column Caesar and damage the NFL. The NFL does not want. The the high level players playing anyway. I mean Joey Bosa NFL coach. They don't know whether they can get their season. In I mean they've already cut out the. They're not gonNA play preseason games They're going to do everything they can, and not the one thing nobody counted on except maybe the epidemiologist. What is happening right now, but you know. I. It's pretty easy to understand why why we're in shape. We're in I mean that's that's. That's common sense. You live with a doctor I. Mean You know the answer? I don't think your wife is saying Oh, there's to be college football. She's been. thinking, it was ridiculous for months, but I I. Try to ignore the as I go to work. Well. We hope on this show coach. We don't sell the doom and gloom. That's true. I mean if I on this program on March thirteenth and say hey, you know there's not going to college football season I would have been talking to myself the next four months. Oh I, know well I again I. Hope to hope there is one I. Hope it's more in the spring. Go beyond so I I think. This is conditioning. People you know. Don't don't tell. Don't hit them over the head like like like they did in. March, let's let's announced. We're having conference only then you take a few games off the board. You know s in Alabama. You know Tennessee Oklahoma's off the board and then you then you deal with reality in about three weeks. We're back with more. GEICO knows there many reasons why you ride from the thrill of the revving engine and pure adrenaline flying down the highway to the confidence of knowing that Geico always has your back with twenty four seven access to claim service, but Ari Snyder has one reason in particular that I had extremely large upper arms. They won't even fit into most shirts. Thankfully, biking really embraced his vest culture so I feel accepted Geigo motorcycle, fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more.

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Liberal Privilege with Don Jr.

The Charlie Kirk Show

29:07 min | 4 months ago

Liberal Privilege with Don Jr.

"Thank you for listening to this podcast wine production now available on. Apple. PODCASTS podcast one spotify and anywhere else you get your podcast. Hey everybody today in the Charlie Kirk show I'm joined by my friend Donald. Trump junior about his new book liberal privilege consider supporting US Charlie, Kirk Dot com slash support, and email as always at freedom. At Charlie Kirk Dot Com when you guys support us at Charlie Kirk Dot com slash support ten dollars, twenty dollars a month, thirty dollars a month, a hundred dollars a month you allow us to continue more podcasts have better guests and fight for freedom and American exceptionalism. Every single day in front of MILLIONS OF PEOPLE DONALD TRUMP junior is here everybody buckle up. Here we go Charlie. What you've done is incredible. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. You know we are lucky to have charlie. Charlie cups running the White House. I WANNA thank Joe he's an incredible guy, his spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job and building one of the most powerful youth organisations ever created turning USA. We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom campuses across the country. That's why we are here. Hey everybody. Welcome. This episode of the Charlotte Kirk Show I am joined by my friend Donald Trump junior who has an incredible new book out Liberal Privilege Joe Biden and the Democrats Defence of the indefensible don welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show and tell us about why you wrote this book and the significance for this book heading into this very important election. Well a couple of. Charlie. Such a big part of the triggered and even the book tour and everything that I had no intention of writing another book. It was sort one of the unintended consequences really of the quarantine. Right. When we were in lockdown I started writing this book and I decided to self publish because if that would've lasted two, three, four, five weeks, I wouldn't have had. Time to finish but with four months, I just started looking I was at home. You can't go to work. You couldn't go to church. You couldn't do anything. So I'm logged at my house and there's much fun as Keiji is you had to do a little bit of work to it. Wasn't it wasn't just pleasure and I started looking and researching Joe. Biden. And I was just astounded how much stuff is out there about Joe Biden, and that literally no one in the media is talking about I mean just refused to even acknowledge I mean these are things that would be totally disqualifying to trump or any conservative Joe Biden it's as though they never happened and I, said, fifty years is a long time. The non have a record I mean that's half a century. You know sort of my line from the Convention speech was you know? He's the Loch ness monster of the swamp and it's true and liberal privileges exactly that right it's the ability to have. Flops through your entire career it, it's the ability to have failure. It's the ability to destroy the American manufacturing American jobs the middle class and be able to run on that platform as your magically going to now save it despite having spent fifty years, destroying it and not being held accountable not being called out by mainstream media and that you and I have spoken about many times. Charlie have just totally abdicated their responsibility to inform the American people to be activists for the far left I. Mean I know we've been the recipients over there. I on more than a few occasions but that's what it is. So I go through Joe Biden's voting record the. NAFTA TPP China permanent status in the World Trade. Organization destroyed the Working Class I into Joe Biden's help I interviewed Ronnie Jackson Admiral Ronnie Jackson the former White House doctor who who observed Joe Biden and over years and sees him now you know talking about I I wouldn't feel comfortable as a citizen of America to let this guy with obvious cognitive decline. Be President and again if Donald Trump mispronounces a complicated name, you know every tell us psychologist America's on TV saying he's in the later stages of Alzheimer's and Dementia Joe Biden can't remember where he is most of the time. I mean, he needs a teleprompter to speak to three people. You see he's doing these sort of Kush like that Anderson, Cooper interview it one of the few times he actually answered the question he's reading notes off the side of the screen because he can't remember basic talking points I mean. If you've been doing this for half a century, you can't remember like the basic. You don't know what your platform is. You don't know what you're saying. You can't remember you need a teleprompter It's pretty sad. So it it goes through and delineates all of that. It goes through the Biden family and it's not just hunter that leeched off of Joe's offices of its Joe's brother and the sister, and all the Biden family has probably made hundreds of millions of dollars living off of Joe Biden's taxpayer-funded office, and he's such a humble public servant. Hundred one, point, five, billion, which is thirty million a year in fees and a typical fund is you know thirty million a year think joe is going to be tough on China. We talk about these things because if we did this, if I took one point, five dollars from China Charlie. It would be disqualifying it would be the end of the world as we know it according to the media but for them nothing to see here, folks what I love about the title is it's so true because there's all these discussions in. America. Right now around privilege and you make the argument, there's legitimate liberal privilege. So let's talk about one that happened on recently you and I were both at the. Last evening the final evening, the Republican National Convention. The president gave a phenomenal speech. You unstaged. It was a great convention and you did really well in your speech as well, and then as the president was wrapping up, I was kept on turning around because I heard the thousands of rioters outside and you have dealt with these maniacs before and I knew how to carefully avoid them Rand Paul got assaulted. By the Blm Inc left-wing arsonist terrorists pastor Scott assaulted I, want you imagine this is liberal privilege in its worst form imagine if four thousand trump's supporters were waiting outside of the Obama White, House And we're screaming at people that were coming after a evening address on the White, House lawn and senator. Bernie Sanders was assaulted outside of their that is liberal privilege. One hundred percent you wouldn't even it would be the biggest story of the month. Nothing to talk about any any one of them but but ran poll I, mean he gets us with his wife and it's not even a single person not one of his colleagues in Congress even denounced it from the other side. It's like it didn't happen or they're just tacitly accepting of it happening what's worse about it though and it shows you sort of the level of I guess it's the lack of intellect of these protesters there screaming at Rand Paul say her name talking about Brianna Taylor, not knowing that Rand Paul is the guy that introduced the legislation with her name on it for no chocolates no knock raids. So they're assaulting the guy that is literally the champion over the cause. Which means they know nothing about the 'cause they were given some talking points they were given the bullet points and they were told to go make trouble if if you're doing it from a genuine standpoint of you're doing it with any sort of modicum of decency and intellectual honesty you know what's going on in the case you wind assault, the one senator that actually brought forth this sort of legislation. It just shows you how out of touch they are and it's it's truly sick. You know you saw you know the DNC with their hate-filled you know it was a one week. Long I hate America, Zoom call with the production value of my kids kindergarten zoom class and not one person announced. We're months of rioting not not one person even mentioned it. It's a it's though it's not happening. It's it said but I think that was the vision that we saw your speech was incredible about these sort of things and. That's what Americans saw. They saw stories people living their American dream stories that literally could only happen in America. And the left attacks that there wasn't enough out of touch Hollywood celebrities. And Their production value is a disaster and they've lost a lot of their flair for production ever since Harvey. Weinstein went to prison. South. It's pretty sad well, and I thought the Republican Convention Amazing Job and there's a lot of different other positives from it. You remember back in two thousand, sixteen at the Republican convention in Cleveland. These things are glorified circuses right I. Mean You have reporters everywhere people that leak people that that there's fights break out what was really interesting don is that there is none of that extra drama around this week's convention and I just thought of this the other day because I went back in the. Archives and I read all the coverage of the two, thousand, sixteen convention and most of the media coverage what was happening outside of the convention, not inside of it, and actually in a very bizarre way in like one of the greatest self owns in history since the Democrats have shut down the entire country basically and we were forced to do a virtual convention understandable. The message actually became the top tier issue instead of all the other kind of protests and pageantry and people screaming at each other. It's a really good point. They would have never touched Alice Johnson or Herschel Walker. If there was writing and looting outside of the next one trump supporter brought the charlotte they brought here. If one trump support would have said something mean to somebody that would have been the front page of everywhere and it would have been distraction from all these other speakers. One hundred percent. So you know the unintended consequences that we got to tell a real story vision for America one that explains how America is the greatest country in the world and again, if you the Democrats, you'd say you live in the most oppressive nation in the world which is. Not Not sellable in any modern context other than when the mainstream media is your marketing wing and you compare those two things and it's no wonder they got no bounds and we did. Yeah. So totally. So from one of your chapters you're unfit to serve, and by the way terrific book encourage everyone to check it out liberal privilege and I think. It is the most comprehensive takedown, a Joe Biden, and what I love most about this book is that it divides deep into the record Joe Biden where some conservatives I hear quite often people say Joe Biden's such a good guy and I guess he's harmless. You do not take that approach in this book you don't do not take because he's not the. Wants to sell. That's the image of the media wants to sell its its moderate Joe Biden from screen. No, he loves screen when he was eight years old, he moved to the DC area got his first elected DC swamped position in his twenties and has been there for fifty years. Now, he's going to fix something if Joe Biden knew how to fix anything why didn't he do it already Charlie needs start. It wasn't like he wasn't a VP to the first African. American. President in America maybe he could have addressed racial inequality maybe he could have done something with the first step act. In prison reform maybe opportunities zones but no, that's the problem. The Democrats don't want to solve these problems they want to campaign on that. Exactly. If you solve the problem, you know, what are you? What are you bringing to the table now their agenda isn't one to help America. Their agenda is one that's based entirely on independence. They need you to be dependent on big government otherwise, they don't offer you much. So they could have addressed these problems I mean I know take a little while to warm up. Okay. Usually takes me thirty seconds in an interview to sort of get in my groove. A half century is too long. Like, I don't think anyone in America is dumb enough to believe that Joe Biden is now going to do. He's going to be the same year of the middle class working Americans. What sort of weird when you spend the first half a century of your career building, China destroying the middle class destroying American manufacturing again, TPP NAFTA and world permanent status of the World Trade. Organization I. Mean these. Irreparable damage to America but the media's running like these are champion of blue collar workers because he says he is and no one's calling them out. So because they've abdicated their role someone had to step up and so like I said the unintended consequence of the quarantine was I had the time to do this work and I couldn't believe how much there is that. is so damaging so bad. So this isn't even a book for guys like you and me who is really a book for people who don't know for people who are independence, but realize that the media is just playing favorites realizing the media's a cheerleader for the left wanting to hear the alternative wanting to hear some about the other side so they can actually make. An informed decision going into. November. This book is designed for them because when you realize what's going on what Joe Biden's really about. You realize you know he's not moderate blue collar job from screen. He's the Loch ness monster of the swamp. And you say it. So well, in chapter to quote, Joe, Biden might be the original swamp monster very well said, he's been part of the establishment for. So long he's put down roots fifty years as a Washington insider twice as long as I've been alive, that's pretty incredible. Long Jetty I'll give him that but is today's Daf prone Biden the same one who started his liberal crusade the guy we have. Now, the guy we have now can't even remember what? State he's in half the time. He confuses his wife with his sister which I hope doesn't happen at home and to make matters worse while he's running, for president, Biden told voters in south. Carolina. He was running for United States Senate seat and you go on further you detail exactly the policies that he argues for can you also talk about what he has promised to do through his entire deal with Bernie Sanders if I'm not mistaken, you also have Bernie Sanders. Or Chuck Schumer on your cover and you talk about it and I don't want to miss speak here. But you talk about how this is an entire radical takeover of our government or not just Joe Biden. It is Joe Biden's the vessel to get them there because again, the media can utilize him as a way to sell just marketing, right? No one believes that Joe Biden's actually in control even of himself at this point, let alone the Democrat Party but they sell the America. This is just moderate Nice Guy Joe with it's all BS Charlie, but they can do that. But meanwhile, the media got who really wanted to be in charge we're just. got that they got the Bernie Sanders joint unity platform on Joe's website where you the American Taxpayer Charlie have the privilege of spending four trillion dollars in attack site that he's saying he's not even pretending middle class. America we're GONNA tax you. So you can pay for free healthcare free education three lawyers for illegal immigrants to make sure that they get those benefits. Now, you don't have the privilege shortly of getting that for yourself or for your kids you have the paper that on top of all of it, but you can pay for it for others I mean this is a radical Marxist platform destruction of the suburbs. Where we say you don't want all these big cities that you escape that you pay a lot of taxes to live in the suburbs. You know what? We're GONNA eliminate single family housing. All those cities has Democrat run cities and strongholds for a hundred years in some cases. They've failed they've racked up debt they've run deficits they're falling apart. There are a total disaster just look around you know we're going to give them power over the suburbs. You know just to give everyone a little bit more I mean what this will do to the American middle class what we'll do that sort of suburban ideal dream and tradition it will destroy along your property values and ultimately your schools It's it's a true I. Is scary proposition. But again, if a Republican was proposing legislation, this radical like people would talk about it the media's pretending like, no, no just a great moderate legislation while they're laughing that they're probably able to sell a strong and a large portion of the American populous actually true when it's not and that's why this book is. So important since literally I feel like I'm the only person in America you perhaps with me actually highlighting these things. Against the mainstream media complex that David and Goliath I mean these are billion dollar companies pushing a narrative jiming down your throat spoon feeding into all day even though it's ally not telling the counterpoint even remotely when I when I love this book is that you challenge the premise, a lot of these conservative circles that we both run in I hear from even media. People on the radio and on television essay will Joe Biden's harmless and you say know your baseline is not harmless is that he's actually in more harmful because more people will vote for him. Thinking the policies are different than what they actually are. So that's the thing. He's not a candidate. He's a vessel for the radical left. He's like camouflage for the radical left. To push their agenda under the guise of it being a modern platform. But if you go through that Biden Sanders joint unity platform I'd like I said it's literally like the Communist Manifesto for the new age it should scare all of us. It will dress our economy into the ground. It will drive already stress systems whether that be education or health gardening into the Ground any will destroy. So of the American dream to a point where it's probably irreparable, you take that with some of the radical ideas of the left whether it's stacking courts statehood for DC statehood for Puerto. Rico that they get control of the Senate with another four senators and you have a fifty year power shift where you'd never have you'd probably never get it back. You'd never get the Supreme Court back. You never get the Senate back and that's how they would implement their Marxist ideology in this and destroy it in the process. So the titles liberal privilege and encourage check it out. Now don new grew up in New York you spend a Lotta time around liberals not around leftists. Can you talk about how your upbringing how you have seen what used to be called liberal now turn into just a radical insurrection. This is very helpful for a lot of our younger listeners who sometimes conflict terms because you you grew up around what would be called as liberal America, but that's not what's happening right now. Now, and it's beyond that I mean I think you know if you looked at John F Kennedy today a hero of the left he would be considered. All right. You know he'd be a Neo Nazi according to the left today You know this isn't your grandfather's Democrat Party this isn't the party that represents working class Americans anymore, and you don't believe just look at their platform. It literally spend more time focusing on helping people who are here illegally. Then it does actually American citizens look at what's going on into some of the you know. The the bills over the last couple of months. Corona virus. I mean Nancy Pelosi is sitting there fighting for billionaires and millionaires to get their salt deductions your back. But when my father says, Hey, I want to implement a payroll tax to put dollars back into America's wallets meaning your taxpayer dollars we want to give them back to you. She wants to give it back to billionaires I'd. Probably costs me six figures a year, but I wanted to go to the American people they need it right now it's their money and that's where government gets conflicted these radicals it's government money is no, it's not it's taxpayer money, and so I've seen that I mean again I grew up plays I've always been conservative but I grew at a place I used to be able to have a dialogue with some of these people and. Now. I could argue there standpoint I can even put myself in their shoes incredibly argue their case. Now I do that and it's like I you can't even have the conversation I can't even fathom where they're coming from. Now when I will say is this many of them also realized how far it's gone and they're like Yeah this just it's Just whether it be young let me hit on that are other episode that we're airing alongside. This one is this woman victory Oscar while who has a book called in defensive looting? This is a real thing. In defensively. And this, and this is where the Democrat Party is going and only liberals with liberal privilege could get away with being able to say, we're going to defend stealing private property from lower income business owners but but Charlie it's beyond that. This is the first time in American history where the Democrat platform seems to be. Hey. You'll get arrested for opening up your business to put food on your family's table. But you won't get arrested for looting someone else's business. So true I mean. It's it's asinine. Literally if you go to church. Work School. You literally defined find people are getting some people were getting arrested people were losing their business licenses. Those are three pretty simple basic tenants of just American ideals. But looting rioting. You know that's acceptable because it's for political purposes just saw you gotta social distance at the trump. White House. But if you have fifty thousand people marching in protest, all of a sudden, you're immune to covid nineteen. It doesn't apply and we had doctors on there saying that. Well, it's different because this is you know for political purposes. So I'm like wait doesn't the virus differentiate because I don't think it does I don't think it does but you've also had a whole new campaign. Of fear manipulating around the virus especially with what you saw from the CDC. Coming at work well, only six percent of the cases were actually people that didn't have some sort of really co morbidity a pre existing conditions that some of these people may not have made it through the rest of the year with or without Komen but they can rack up because they can use that fear to control you. They can use fear to drive their agenda no difference than the rioting and looting like I said. They only came out against it. Once the said Oh man. It's Kinda hurt you in the polls guys we gotta all right now we're against it magically after ninety days, we're going to come out and actually say something. I'd like to believe no one's dumb enough to buy what they're selling but when you have billions pushing it when you guys that are consuming a couple minutes of News Charlie you know and it's all negative. It's still hard to overcome that that's why we have to work that much better and more efficiently and harder to overcome the deficits that you know are just natural to our side of the equation while I wanna give the listeners a little bit of hope here and Don, you deserve a lot of credit and so does the trump campaign for staying the course in keeping keeping faith because according to the latest betting odds, which is a really interesting indicator is basically disco tie right now between. President trump and Joe Biden auto latest realclearpolitics average battleground states have almost every single state within the margin of error absent just with one poll I. Think we know that some of these polls can be a little bit skewed but even if you think these polls are skewed, it's right there I mean this racist now tight and your book is able. To address Joe Biden and bring down in my opinion, his favorability, which is way too high even amongst moderate Republicans and moderate voters. What is your opinion of the state of the race right now it's ever changing and I actually think you book is going to play a role in convincing people to vote for your father and not vote for. Joe Biden That's the idea because if your net neutral, you've not heard a single bad thing about joe now there's plenty there is fifty years of it, but you know again, no one's talking about it. So the idea of this book was always taking to put it out there. It's why I self published get right I didn't want anyone telling me you can't do that you and I both know people very close to us who got Nicole from their publisher you know well, we don't like that point. You're getting a little too aggressive it. Now you're not going in and people aren't going out of bounds. They're just saying this is you know where we are as conservatives this is literally our platform, but you're being threatened monetarily my publishers in there. So I said I want full control I wanNA make sure they can't play games I WANNA make sure they can't just say, Hey, we're just not going to release it you. This is the definitive sort of doc- a on Joe Biden is all of the things that media should be doing but has reviews to do these are all of the things that you have to do to understand not just you his terrible voting record but the personality, the family. It is not the image that the mainstream media has sold you a of the Biden's in everything they're doing, and again that's not just hunter and the drugs and running from child support and alimony and Kush deals that no one no reasonable business person could possibly get from China in the Ukraine, but it's the brother and the housing contracts in Iraq that he magically get never built a house in his life but. Now you're in charge It's it's that pay to play aspect of Washington, DC that. So people hate that the Biden's are such a big part of. Their the ultimate swamp creature right and? I think with this book when people read it when they show it to their friends when they use this as the basis to have an argument with their friends that are either on the fence or even on the other side, it'd be like, but did you know it's going to be like me? 'cause you do this all the time I was like Whoa. Wow. I was. Like, I said Ronnie Jackson Two aneurysms. The Guy can't remember where he is half the time if. Explosions Joe by you. Can. You can you dive into that really quick. He's had two hours. He's literally had to aneurysm could almost kill you. If you ask the doctor if you had an aneurysm to put him in a coma essentially for quite a bit of time, even one the chances of you having new not having cognitive. Issues later on almost impossible he's had two separately. Okay. Now you combine that with the very glaring cognitive decline you say well, really, I, don't see it watch Joe Biden and give a speech today and watch him fifteen years ago in the Senate and tell me it's the same person. Now we've Donald Trump missed mispronounced some obscure name. It's over right these these dementia he's got. Joe Biden does this stuff on a daily basis? Yes, and it's like you can't even coalition you can't even talk about. So I literally runny Jackson from the white. House Medical Office because people have to know these things you kid I feel terrible for someone going through dementia right? That's that's not an easy thing. But like I don't feel bad enough to be like you know what I'm GonNa give you the nuclear football I'm going to give you my kids future. You know because I feel bad it's a great grandfather. You can be a great human. You can do a lot of stuff with it but like you're going to get the presidency of the United States because we feel bad about. This thing. Stop in these things happen to Donald Trump and be front page news every day. No doubt Sudan in the last question here. What else about the book of people now they can find an Amazon right? We encourage everyone ten. Provided they have I encourage everyone to go buy one or two three copies but most importantly, go buy a copy for liberal friends or for people in the Middle Right and you make this case and I, I say quite often and you make the case throughout the whole book. If the left did not have double standards, they wouldn't have any standards at all whether it be Hillary. Smashing devices under subpoena whether it be Joe. Biden, doing billions of of business, our greatest enemy China if Republicans did any of this or creating a terrorist mob outside of the White House going after trump encouraging someone to not concede an election. Even if you lose I, mean Hillary Clinton basically did Stacey Abrams I mean she still thinks she's the governor of Georgia. So that's the left's play right? It's accused them of doing all of the things that you're actually doing it. It's no different than Joe Biden sort of gas lighting. These are somehow trump's right. It's again and Democrat cities with Gregg mayors, Democrat policies with Joe Biden voters it it. Doesn't work but you know the media will try to do that. So this is the definitive book I know Amazon obviously the usual Barnes and noble it'll be available there because I'm self publishing I also offered it to a lot of I. Know I know a lot of guys in our world and conservative world they're like I don't want to give money to the Amazon Washington Post So I actually made it available on my website as well. Triggered was so popular everyone kept saying, Hey, can I get an autograph copy? Even make autographed copies available on done junior dot com you can just go literally five Letters D. O. N. JR DOT. com. And get it there for those who don't want to give Amazon the business. But if you want to do the one click thing, I understand that as well, and unlike the left I don't just cancel everything I let you make up your own mind. Well, Don Jr. Dot Com the website it is a phenomenal book and Don traveled the country a lot on behalf of your father last question what are You seeing what are you hearing as far as the race I I'm seeing this race completely turned upside down. I think Joe Biden freaking out that he's actually be losing in some of these states. It's still a lot of time left you and I both know that the left probably has out some surprises laugh. There's tons of money still to be spent to be raised but tell us what you're feeling seeing. You know it really feels good and you know me like I, get it on the son of a billionaire from New York City so I'm you know I'm not allowed to have an opinion and I'm white privileged in all of these things. But like you know that I do spend a lot of time in sort of real America. And the amount of trump signs and again, strongholds that were former Democrat stronghold, blue collar, Democrat areas northeast where my farm is, I spend my weekends there I mean it's trump signed everywhere upstate New York trump signs everywhere. It's literally probably fifty to one. So there's just a lot of enthusiasm people see a guy that's fighting for them that doesn't need. This isn't part of the swamp. That's sort of the anti politician politician and I think they're excited about that. They're excited to have someone finally willing to fight for them to take it on to to not care what the press says and just keep going to battle every day. With that you have Donald Trump. This election is really breaking down to it's the swamp versus freedom. It's Marxism versus capitalism. It's socialism you know versus every ideal we have in America and again as you saw from the DNC, they don't believe we have any redeeming qualities at this point what is their vision for America? It seems like a very dark and gloomy place with a lot of writing burning and protesting and destruction America Don Jr. Dot com check out the liberal privilege don thanks so much for coming on everyone go check out the book and. Let's victory Baggy Charlie good to be with you Susan. What a great conversation that was with Donald Trump junior as always e mail us your questions Freedom Charlie Dot Com. If you want to get involved a turning point USA go right now to Teepee USA DOT COM. That is Teepee USA DOT COM get engaged get involved in the fight for the next generation. If you're looking for an organization to support financially, you can go to Teepee USA dot com slash donate, and help us continue to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. So much for listening. 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Inside Sports Fantasy Football Episode Five- NFL Week 2 Preview, Fools Good, and is a Good TE The Key To Winning It All?

"All right and we're back for another a great episode of Inside Sports Fantasy Football. It's journal Glasfurd once again from pop culture cosmos coming right back at you here along with a good man indeed indeed he is along with Charles Smith one of the preeminent hosts for the inside sports show and you gotta check out their upcoming programs as well on on the inside sports channel. It's my good friend Chris Artery and Chris Welcome back for another edition of insight sports fantasy football Gerald. Thanks for having me back pleasure to be here and we've got one week in the books and we're often running. Let's see if we can help. Some teams makes victories here right. Absolutely I know Oh people already team owners out. There are starting to panic already after we won in the NFL it always happens. People are worried about I'm going to you know what am I gonNA. Do you GonNa drop half my team. Get to go ahead and pick up on waiver wire. I touched a little bit on the waiver wire in our last episode with Jason Dutch from voice from the underground around about some waiver wire pickups for quarterback running back and wide receiver. I wanted to get your opinion before we head into week. Two if there's anybody that stands out on the waiver wire that either you're interested in or that. Maybe you would suggest somebody should be interested in before they head into next weekend. Yeah I think one of the more popular ones is Hollywood Hollywood Brown ironically Antonio Brown's cousin with the Baltimore Ravens who really put up some big numbers albeit against the JV team the Miami Dolphins but thing that was interesting to a note about him is that he did it with. I believe he played a significantly less amount of snaps and the other ravens receiver so as he gets worked into the offense more and the way the Mark Jackson look I think that bodes well for him another one out there and we hit on this last week and I managed to get him in one of my leagues we talk about holding on Adrian Peterson because guys inevitably notably gets her and sure enough he did propsed US forgetting that right and while I do think Peterson still hold in the near term here I think Chris Thompsons the pick up especially in PR leagues when guys went out he got the majority of the touches he can catch the ball and judging by the fact that I don't think the redskins are going to be a very good team. This year could be a case where he's getting now even more touches on dump offs and things like that so in the near term I think Chris Thompson's a play in DC. You know what I think you and Jason Dutch are are like mine reading each other because on a Tuesday episode he mentioned Chris Thompson as well as being a pickup that people should go for for but funny how it comes back to full circle when it comes to Adrian Peterson. I look like I had on my face a one week now. I look like a stood out there for some reason because Jay Gruden. Everything's all patched up. I guess using the quote it's all water under the bridge as Adrian Peterson said so. It's kind of funny how that all works itself out Darius guys dig it injured didn't actually perform before he got injured but dig it injured so right now it's Adrian Peterson put right as a major play Chris Thomson could get a lot of touches both as far as rushing and especially a receiving standpoint yeah. That's definitely a good pickup as well if you have him out there and he's available on your waiver wire and you need a running back a backup or whatnot somebody to play in a flex. I think he's definitely a good choice out there for royer waiver wire as well but let's get into it my friend when it comes to week two in the NFL Lotta great matchups out there. Are there any that stick out in your mind for players players that you think are gonNA maybe bounce back or continue their success from week. One Yeah there are a few keeping with my Miami Dolphins theme and I don't I wanNA beat the proverbial dead horse or dead mammal in this case but I think anyone that's okay sure did glad someone else. Remember that movie but I think you gotta start anyone on the Patriot short of Antonio Brown because we don't know what's GonNa Happen. Lead come down on the Patriots not play. Am that remains to be seen in out of our jurisdiction art in the Pun but one guy really stands out to me is Sony Michelle reading get a lot of involvement involvement in the offense as they were just really beating the doors off of the steelers and throwing a lot more than anything else but I think here you can see him. Get more involved. The dolphins opens. I mean look it's well documented allegedly players on their team or cold their agents Sunday night to demand traits that Helgeson the mentality there. I think he's GonNa get more touches. I think it will probably work him into the offense more. Maybe eat a little more clock and maybe give Brady a break here but I do think he's due for a big bounce back and then I'm I'm GonNa go a little of an unconventional twist by new Miami Dolphins of the NFC are GonNa be my beloved New York giants that is an atrocious defense as we sawed Sunday cowboy fans. Don't get too excited about that Prescott I mean he hit a Lotta open receivers that was more a function of the giants porous defence which which is atrocious at best but I think you've got a couple of buffalo bills who played well last week against the jets. Maybe back in familiar ground going to the meadowlands play the giants this week week I do and I think if you're looking for kind of a a deeper sleeper maybe needs quarterback help Josh Allen and John Brown they connected a number of times and I think Brown's GonNa be a nice underrated receiver to keep your eye on here this season but I think those guys might actually have a field day with this just awful giants secondary. Were you mentioned the New York giants like you said I think they're well by default. They must be good against the run because they're absolutely horrid against the past they look pretty good against the run so I wouldn't suggest going ahead and and rushing against them because they're going to give up a ton of passing yards. I think as well I think just looked like like they. They were just awful on on the defensive side of the ball but there's to match ups. I really think people should look at one of which of course is the obvious one New Orleans at at Los Angeles. I think that's going to be a another exciting game. The Rams didn't exactly look like they were on all eight cylinders when it came to last sweet but they still had enough to get the win but they're gonNA play in front of their own fans. It's GONNA be in the middle of the afternoon. La Time I think it's going to be something where you're going to see see a lot of a lot of action lot of passing a lot of a lot of offense. I think you're gonNA see both teams. Go Up and down the field. I see maybe like a thirty five to thirty thirty one game where there's a lot of yards volve so if you've got players on both the New Orleans and the rams side I think anytime you're gonNA start them this week because I think you're gonNA see a lot of action going on in this game and if you don't if you see Jared Goff struggle again that's a warning sign right there to jerk off team owners that if you have him on your team maybe there's an issue there. That's more that while I'm gonNA use the transformers thing that more than meets the eye there because he struggled the last week if he struggles this week. I think there's probably a deeper rooted problem. There and the last game I want to cover is going to be Kansas City at Oakland and that's for Sammy Watkins Sammy Watkins. I'm not gonNA say he's going to get two hundred yards again but now with the injury to heal he's going to be able to to be the focus of the offense as far surpassing standpoint so you gotta be worried that the teams are going to focus in on him. I still think he's going to get a lot of targets forgets. I still think he's GonNa get a lot of catches and yards. Will he have a two hundred yard prolific daylight that this weekend. I don't think so even against Oakland who were still not convinced. It's all there yet but I still think you know you. You gotTA play him. He's still got to be either. A wide receiver wander wide receiver to forty at this time at least going forward until he'll comes back because he is going to take a lot of targets from Patrick Mahomes and on the other side of the ball is Oakland all that I mean they look very impressive in week one. I'M GONNA ask you fantasy football owners out there. Do you really think that the Oakland raiders are GonNa look this good for two straight weeks especially against Kansas City. I don't think so so I'd be very wary of starting any Oakland raiders this weekend and I don't think the chiefs have a great defense by any stretch as we saw even though they knocked out nick foles yours then for car. I'm not necessarily sure if it'll be through the air you know the guy I've I've like I do have one of my leagues. Full disclosure is Josh Jacobs. I like the way he ran and I think you can run on the Kansas City defense but I wanna say I was impressed with the raiders but then part of me looks at Denver Defense and other Miller and trump really is. Is there anyone that stands out there. I think their secondary is overrated. I think honestly Gruden at a nice game plan for them. They they still got two conservative at the end and almost gave it back to the Broncos but I do think there's some opportunities there but I tend to agree with you. The problem is going to be can you keep the pace with a frantic and phonetic pace that the chiefs offense has where they're just scoring all the time and then you're getting into the shootout and if you don't score then you're falling down to therese scores so it's it's hard to say but yeah I think the jury's still out on David Karp by by all means. I think so as well but you're right Kansas City's defense has not been that great over the past couple years. They've got a really really great offense. That's propelled them to the level that they're at now. I think that Oakland even even though it has a decent defense I think they're going to go ahead and get overwhelmed early and often that could mean a lot of passing yards for car but it also could lead to some mistakes as well also. I'd be very wary of even Josh Jacobs getting a chance to go ahead and propel there but if there's any one on Oakland that's GonNa get some yardage it would be Josh Gosh Shaka's because you're right. Candidacy has not had the greatest of defense going forward and I guess it's going to be like I said it's going to be leading into a great weekend for the NFL. I WanNa ask you one last thing on Monday. Are you buying or selling on the Cleveland browns because at this point in time they should go in and knock the jets were no problem because darnold is out with mononucleosis. That's something that can knock you out for for these three four five weeks. At least that's something that everybody I know who's had it even I- longtime ago had it knocks you out. It knocks you out hard so he's gone for several weeks. Cleveland needs to go and pick themselves off the floor. Do you think that may feel. Do you think that Opie Jay. Do you think the Cleveland offense can finally get its act together Actually if there's any point in time this has to be the time that they put it all together. Yeah this has to be because if it isn't there oh into and then you're really gonna hit the panic button in Cleveland one. I have mono too. I was a teenager at say. It knocked choosen under statement so I I hope Sam Darnold gets well soon at it's brutal say the least but what what I think too is you gotTA team quarterback by Trevor Siemian. I'll go out on a limb and say there's not gonNA be a lot of offensive output so as well as the jets defense played against Buffalo. Just GonNA GONNA put a lot of strain on them so I think this week is a kind of a by. I would say for the Browns if you've got an. Ob Jay if you've got an itch of a Baker Mayfield I think you're safe with starting them because everyone's down on them and it's could be the magic they need against. What's going to be a struggling jets team? That said don't know if the EH two hundred thousand dollar watch whatever Oh. BJ claims he's GonNa wear on the field again will help his offensive output but that's a head scratcher at best. I'd have to say I know oh the NFL we'll be watching putting we'll be right back with more fantasy football check out what's been going on with the pop up Culture Cosmos show and the PC multi-diverse the better that he's marvel films do the higher the standards are going to be for other films in general but other marvel films also I think that's really hard to end a show with this many fans in the satisfying way that's the pop culture Costlo show and Eh. PCC multi-diverse playing worldwide on radio seven days a week and wherever you get your podcast what nothing on week two when talk about it and that's something I want to entitle fool's gold and that's basically fantasy team owners out there. They have these players that either did surprisingly well well above their expectations or maybe it was a waiver wire player that did well beyond his expectations that everybody's just GonNa Jump On the bandwagon where you'll get a dozen trade offers for and it's someone that maybe you should think about selling high for trade or maybe someone that you think about i. I don't know maybe he's someone that I wanna go ahead and maybe start one game at the most or someone that maybe I wouldn't touch at all I think for me. Fool's gold is John Ross the third wide receiver for Cincinnati who had a tremendous game. I think maybe you know he's a good waiver wire pick up at best but he's not going to be able to command the offense from the wide receiver position for too long because aged green is coming back in the near future and when push comes to shove Andy Dalton is GonNa throw the agent green the most. If that's the case I think once agent green is back up to speed so if you pick up John Ross third on a waiver wire be wary that it might not be that fruitful for you for very long I know you talked about Dak Prescott also being fools gold after a four touchdown performance against the poorest New York ORC giant defense. Is there anyone else that had a great game last weekend that you really think could be gold. Yeah I mean you hit the nail on the head with routes outs. That was my number one looking at that after a look at a great week one against the seahawks there was a homecoming for him because he played at the University of Washington but the guy it has a history of dropping balls. That's all the say with that so completely agree with you there Gerald. I don't WanNa say he's necessarily a fool's gold in a traditional sense but there's a guy. Why is that a Lotta love on the waiver wire this week? That's Malcolm Brown of the Rams I know he stole a couple touchdowns from Todd Gurley. I don't want to dismiss his value. I think he has value if you the handcuff for Todd Gurley or if you have depth on your bench and kind of Adrian Peterson Syndrome old onto him girly still doesn't look a hundred percent even though he looked better than he did in the super bowl hang onto him he may be the starter in the meantime. He's at best a second running back could become a running back by committee may steal some goal line carries. He may get get you some cheap yardage in garbage time more win girlies being spelled but I don't think he's someone you should really hitch a ride to unless like I said you've got girly and you're lucky enough to handcuff him. You know what I couldn't agree with you more on that. He is someone that was a big play for a lot of individuals out there for the waiver wire. He was one the top choices from all the experts including what we talked about on Tuesday for picking up on the waiver wire so be very wary when you pick him up because Malcolm Brown getting getting two touchdowns this weekend or any editor weekend could be problematic especially with Todd Gurley and the fact that Jared Goff has to spread the ball around to all those prolific prolific wide receivers. I know there was concerned about the receivers getting enough targets getting enough touches brandin cooks was the was the primary question that that he only got a little bit of action in the previous game so yes jared Goff has to keep that ball spread around. We're going to see after this weekend if the rams are actually up to snuff actually are still the team that went to the Super Bowl and still has good and prolific especially on the offensive side coming up in Malcolm. What can brown like you said is is a part of it but how much apart will actually see going forward well again? It's going to be a great week to we've talked about H Peterson coming back to alive as far as coming back into the starting lineup. You've talked about fool's gold players that we think are maybe you should be wary of as if you pick them up or you start art them matchups waiver wire pickups but last but not least my friend I wanNA talk about one last thing before you head out and that is tight end something the thing we kind of forget about I know I touched on it when I was doing. The fantasy shows last year but let me ask you this when it comes to having a team. That's going to go all the way in your league team. That's going to go all the way to the Fancy Football Championship. Is it a must to have a prolific tight end or is. Is it something that's just like bonus on top of everything else. Is it the key it's not the key I think of it more icing on the cake. If you've got a great tight end more power to you it's like like I having a an a wide receiver in your lineup every week and believe me. I have George kiddle in one of my leagues and it seems as though last week at at least every touchdown he got was called back by penalty but I mean you know the forty niners. They're gonNA target him. If you've got some great you can count on him getting any points on the week in week out basis. If you have a middle of the Road Titan just hope you get some points out of them but in that case you're going to have to rely a little more on your flex position to get you scoring but there are plenty of teams of Travis Kelsey the and aren't that great the trade off engine. GotTa take them with an earlier round pick than you normally would with Titan so you don't build up the depth you need at wide receiver and running back so I don't think it's a necessity but believe me two years ago. I'd Kyle Rudolph. He kinda came out of nowhere not a big year and and really helped my team made the playoffs. It's a nice luxury to have but it's at the end all be all I was fortunate late in my draft to go ahead and not only get Mark Andrews from Baltimore but also as well Delaney Walker and both did very well for me this this past weekend I think both of those if you get a chance to trade for them or if they magically are on the waiver wire you should definitely give them a shot but there's one name I think that both thus did not talk about because we're Kinda wary of him because of his injury history and that's Greg Olsen who had a great game for Carolina today over one hundred hundred yards receiving but the thing is how long and how prolific is he going to be because he has such an extensive injury history. I mean you get rolling with him. Three four five games grow then all of a sudden he'll be out for the rest of the season completely agrees a great tight end if he needs someone and he's out there on waivers. Get Him while he's he's playing. He's GonNa get you points urising that worries me about him even if he does manage to stay healthy this year as a Cam Newton owner. I'm concerned. I don't know if it's time to panic but but doc I've got cuyler Murray behind him and I'm kind of hoping you know he has more games like you didn't fourth quarter against the Lions because CAM is not right I mean I know he's had multiple surgeries degrees. The shoulder was an issue last year the foot this preseason but it is not look right. He looks off. Balances throws aren't accurate so I think that's another problem you've got to deal with Olsen the no fault of his own but which can newton are. We going to get on a weekend week out basis here going forward. A panthers are allowed to that's they are McCaffrey didn't show up but when McCaffrey and Greg Olsen are your leading receiver are your top threats from as far as catching the ball that to me is an issue that to me speaks for the lack of depth that you have it wide receiver because we really don't talk about wide receiver much when it comes to the Carolina Panthers that to me is a problem and even though Cam Newton threw for over three hundred yards no touchdowns and for me that speaks volumes about not deep threat that's available or no consistent wide receiver a threat that he has so even like you said he may not be one hundred percent healthy but he doesn't really have all the weapons that he should in order to go ahead and become a stand handed out in fantasy football right now yeah completely agree and and you know it's not like Samuels is GonNa leave you up at night with nightmares but that said he had a number of open receivers receivers tonight that you know again say an if he Tampa Bay defence and he just wasn't hitting them so I'm hoping for his sake physical and you can get over it but does not look like the Cam Newton of hold the least two weeks in no no but I'm hoping for the best and hoping that changes because I know he can be a game changer if he gets right but I'm not sure like you said if he's one hundred percent healthy but we'll have to see coming up in the next few weeks. If that's the case or not on my friend is been great talking to you about fantasy football. I know you're coming on next week to share more insight when it comes to fantasy football and helping out those fantasy football team owners before heading out. I just WanNa make mention that you've got inside sports coming up with Charles Smith Junior. I know you guys have some plants coming up so please share your thoughts on what's coming up with inside sports yet definitely flee here in the coming weeks. Those of you who have listened to US continue to we appreciate it were available anywhere you can download podcasts pod being were going to do a little bit of a change of pace as we kind of had a lot of fun and even success in Picking Games and we're going to focus a little more on that have the fantasy football segment of course give our Sardonic look at the NFL bell and call it like we see it for many years but we've noticed two is gone a lot of traction with our our pick segment people like it Charles Specializes in over unders for point totals and I like to pick an underdog each week and Jake will be joining our show will get his pick so going to put a little new twist on the inside sports sports football talk show and you like to follow us. We're on social media inside sport TV or Crystal Sports on twitter run instagram definitely be sure to give us a follow and keep track of our show schedule. Absolutely it's awesome. That's inside sports now for us here at this show. If you have a question for Chris for Jason for me for anyone on the team that's inside sports fantasy football. Just e mail US I s fantasy football at Yahoo DOT COM as this. Is Fantasy football at Yahoo Dot Com and stay to you basketball fans. I'll be hosting the Lakers fast-break podcast coming up here in the next few days plus you can always catch it's my stuff in regards to pop culture on the pop culture cosmos well my friend. It's been great talking to you cannot wait for week two in the NFL. I'm so excited Adrian Peterson's back of curious to see how that works out and how quick of a Hook Jay Gruden will have on them if he doesn't perform snuff I mean we called it early on that. I thought he was a place. I'm glad to see that it's going to work out after all taken the egg off my face as we speak so I just I feel so glad about that. I feel vindicated. I feel like I can take a deep breath. Again has yes. Yes I feel good about knowing that at least for once I was right absolutely as you should. I mean it only took a week for you to be right to record time exactly and we've got some comments breath before we head on out Jake WanNa know. How bad should I be looking to sell Sunny Michelle after he abuses Miami so that's planning ahead and that's so smart great question Jake and you could always send your questions into us on any of our social media lists pop culture cosmos inside sports and also as well right here at I 's fantasy football at Yahoo Dot com but yes jake wanted to know? It looks like he's going to dominate Miami like you called it earlier in the show your earth thoughts on after he performed so well. Should you sell high on Sunday Michelle if you haven't running back depth to pull that off definitely do do get some skirt evaluate a position of weakness receiver a quarterback but you know hopefully there's some novice in your league thinks that Sunny Michelle is the greatest and doesn't realized that the dolphins are also that bad so yeah just just like with Stocks Sell High Bilo. Absolutely I couldn't agree with you more. My friend and I couldn't agree agree with you Jake I I. I like how you're thinking there to sell son Michelle at a very high peak when it comes to most likely a good return after this weekend against Miami. I mean my gosh. You never know what's going to happen. In the New England offense Sunday Michelle could be all the rave after one week playing against Miami and two weeks three weeks. I mean he did very well last year on a semi consistent level for New England but with bill check you never know because the ball spreads around so much to who knows which receiver maybe WanNa get Antonio Brown as much volume as possible before he might get suspended or kicked out of the League or something like that because there could be that worry or could throw aunt or other receivers so definitely if you have a chance to sell Sunday Michelle Hi and get a really good trait back from as far as a great list list of players. Jake said he's Got David Montgomery Sanders and single terry plus delvin cooked now. That's a pretty good lineup of depth but he definitely wants to move Sunni Michelle Bat yeah. I mean wait until after Sunday. I think that's good. You've got a good cowdrey of running backs there but you hit on a very important point I had had Michelle last year and there were weeks where either didn't get the ball or didn't play checks his odd little rotation and Doghouse in mind game. He likes playing with his running back. Execute that in the back of your mind to absolutely so yes J. Those are great questions again. You've got a stack lineup at running back. I think definitely if you WANNA go ahead and fortified even more a trade for Sunday Michelle maybe pick up some receivers or even a backup quarterback. If you need a yes definitely a trade for Sunny Michelle Shell for maybe one or two players that are really sweeten. The Pot will be great because like I said and like Chris said he looks like he's going to be able to dominate Miami Ame this weekend. I think without a doubt I think it's going to be something that you know at that point in time. You'RE GONNA have to sell Sunday Michelle because I don't think I will get much better this weekend Jason Right there. He needs a wide receiver three great time to pick up a nice wide receiver there absolutely so you've got the depth running back after Sunday's game name we're Sunny Michelle probably has the best chance of producing at a high level. I definitely think it's time to trade absolutely will jake there's some great questions. Russians have more again you can hit us up always on social media pop culture cosmos inside sports or I s fantasy football at Yahoo Dot com you get always sending email. We'd

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'Pandemic Dreams' Captured In New Book; House Race In New Mexico

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'Pandemic Dreams' Captured In New Book; House Race In New Mexico

"From. NPR and Wvu are on Robin Young I'm Jeremy Hobson. It's here now a number of big decisions from the supreme. Court, today, one ruling that finds nearly half of Oklahoma is an Indian reservation. We'll talk about that. In a moment on the issue of President Trump's financial records, the court ruled seven to two that the president is not categorically immune from records requests from a New York grand jury. The president called that decision not fair. And in the case of a request from Congress for the President's records, the justices had concerns. It was too broad. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi though said that both rulings show the president isn't above the law, and they seem to show that. At least a grand jury in New York can't see the president's financial documents, but that nothing will be revealed to the public before the. The election NPR National Justice Correspondent Carrie. Johnson is here and carry star with the case from New York, the opinion says no citizen, not even the president is categorically above the common duty to produce evidence when called upon in a criminal proceeding. Tell us more about that decision. What happens now there? Yeah, Chief Justice John. Roberts wrote for the court majority. He was joined. Joined by the courts for Liberals and two justices appointed by president trump neal gorsuch inbred Kavanagh, though they may disagree with some of the reasoning, the bottom line is that the president is not above the law when it comes to a state criminal investigation subpoena for records in this case, the Manhattan District Attorney's office and a grand jury. There had subpoenaed one of. Of President Trump's accounting firms, seeking eight or ten years of financial records from the president based on his personal contact before he ever went into the White House as part of an investigation than they launched after Michael Cohen President, trump's former personal lawyer has defied that he paid hush money to try to keep a couple of women quiet during the two thousand sixteen campaign. We now know based on the majority opinion from Chief Justice John Roberts that based on two hundred years of president in the Supreme Court that. Presidents have uniformly agreed to testify in provide information when called in criminal proceedings, the president, though according to the majority can still challenge subpoenas in the lower courts as bad faith or burdensome overbroad. Basically the bottom line conclusion by John. Roberts was There's a public interest and fair and effective law enforcement that cuts in favor of comprehensive access to evidence. In fact, they they. They robbed him of the one defense. He did feel he had which was immunity. They said you don't. The second case involves the House request records also seven two ruling. Explain that decision where that goes miss. Morton was a little more complicated robin. This was based on subpoenas from three different house. Committees chewed the president's accounting firm and to financial. Financial institutions that held some trump records again based on a private conduct, not and involving the presidency or the action in the White House in this case chief, Justice John Roberts said that lower courts had failed consider properly the separation of powers and the balance of power in the tug of war between Congress and the president, so the court majority here same one. Basically ruled that the lower courts will have to review this case again and think about a number of factors like does. Does Congress really need this stuff? Is there any other way to get this material? And Congress will really have to show. It needs this information. both sides both Democrats and Republicans counted this as a partial victory in in the short term though Robin. That because this is all going back to lower courts, it could be a long time if ever before the House committees get these materials surly nap before the November elections that's for sure right, but to be clear especially in the New York case. Is they're thinking that? The grand jury in New York will get access to these financial records since again. The president's one defense was that as president. He was immune. It seems likely the grand jury. The under the holding by the Supreme Court majority will get access to tax returns and other records, but as you know Robin, grand jury materials are secret. It's against the law to leak those things so i. don't know when if ever they will become public, but it seemed in The medium-term that the grand jury will get those materials for sure. And just quickly chief justice. Roberts wrote both opinions We've been hearing. He was trying to corral as close to a unanimous vote as he could get seven to pretty good with this court. Seven two is not bad, but remember the case involving President Clinton and earlier case involving Richard Nixon former president, Richard Nixon the Supreme Court with nine to zero. In this case, then the chief just could not get Sam Alito in Clarence Thomas to sign onto the majority's. NPR National Justice correspondent correspondent Carrie Johnson. We'll be hearing about these court decisions all day. I'm sure Carrie thank you my pleasure. Well today the supreme. Court also ruled that nearly half of Eastern, Oklahoma, is legally a Muskogee creek reservation for the purposes of federal law in a five to four decision judge gorsuch sided with the court's liberal wing in favor of honoring land treaties that were never dissolved by Congress for more on that, and what this means were joined on skype from Tele Oklahoma Bite Rebecca Nagel host of the crooked podcast, this land which examined the origins of this case. She's also a citizen of the Cherokee nation. Rebecca thanks for joining us. Thank you so much for having me well. There are a lot of implications of this decision first of all. Tell us about some of them and what this means. Yeah, so the court ruled that Congress created a reservation with four Muskogee Creek nation through multiple treaties throughout history and also. disestablished that reservation there's some language in gorsuch opinion. Is Pretty Strong for native rights that basically you know, there are a lot of times that courts in the past have ruled that if it's convenient. For a state or for the government to follow a treaty that can be reason enough and gorsuch and the justices that joined him soundly rejected that idea, and so Muskogee Creek. Nation is the fifth largest tribe in United States. It has a reservation about three million acres in northeastern Oklahoma, but there are four other tribes have a very similar almost parallel history to Muskogee, Creek nation and the implication is. Is that because the? The court upheld Muskogee Creek nations reservation, those four other reservations are upheld as well, and that includes the reservations of Cherokee, nation, the choctaw, the chickasaw and the seminoles, and when it comes to the things that I guess some people would consider inconvenient about this. What does this mean for people who had been tried in the past in this part of Eastern Oklahoma? Does this throw their convictions in some cases into question? Not Very many that was one of Oklahoma's main arguments, you know they had a whole host of arguments that basically sky would fall down, and it would be the end of life in Oklahoma as we know it, and I think in coming months. We're going to see that those arguments never held any water. The truth is is that it's actually really really hard to appeal a conviction. Once you've been convicted, so you think about states that have legalized marijuana, but still have hundreds of people in jail for possessing like just because this law. Law has changed a lot of people who are currently imprisoned. Two are native people who committed crimes on one of these reservations. Time has actually just run out for them to file. What's called a federal habeas petition, so there will be a handful of cases past convictions where people will have the grounds to appeal, but most of them won't and I actually did with the help of a paralegal that research we looked at a sample of three hundred of these past convictions, and we found that less than ten percent eligible for an appeal. Now, this was a complicated case that started with a murder. Give us a little history of this. Supreme Court case so in one thousand, nine, hundred nine, a creek citizen named Patrick Murphy Killed Another Creek citizen named George Jacobs, and he was sentenced to death, but in his appeal of that death penalty. He argued that Oklahoma did not have jurisdiction to convict him of that crime. Because it's crime occurred on a reservation in the summer of twenty seventeen. The Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals Agreed, and they affirmed that the reservation Muskogee Creek nation was never taken away by Congress, and that case went to the Supreme Court. We were all. You know this time last year waiting for the decision. In the Supreme Court did it make one and. They postponed it and then this year they granted cert to second case GMC mcgirt, who committed different crimes of basically appealed his case on the same grounds that it happened on a reservation, and so that's the sort of winding story of how you know a small town murder in eastern Oklahoma and nine, hundred ninety nine turned into one of the most important Supreme Court decisions for indigenous land rights in the United States. In addition to following this case as a journalist, you're also as we said a citizen of the Cherokee nation. What is this decision today? Mean for you personally. I get emotional thinking about it. You know I the first thing I did. Once. The decision was up I. Just went to see who wrote it. And when I thought was Gorsuch, I just started sobbing. You know we as. Our original homeland is not actually Oklahoma. We were removed here. And when we travel the trail of tears, we were promised that this land would be are as long as waters ran and the grass grew. And for over a century, Oklahoman the united. States government has not kept that promise in today. The Supreme Court did. Nagel, who is a citizen of the Cherokee nation host of the crooked podcast this land. Joining us on clearly a momentous day for native Americans, and for this country Rebecca thank you. Thank you so much for having me. covid nineteen cases are surging in Florida. The Centers for disease, control and Prevention report. The state has seen more new cases in the past seven days than any other state, including Arizona and California where cases are also surging joining us now Matthew Petty Assistant News Director at W.. M. F. E. IN ORLANDO and host of WMF's intersection Matthew, what is happening across the state at this point when it comes to the number of cases? Yeah, Florida's really emerging as one of the worst hotspots for this point in the pandemic. Nearly nine thousand new cases of Florida residents reported yesterday, according to the Florida Department of Health, hundred and twenty new deaths reported as well that death toll is now over four thousand and that one hundred and twenty figure, that's the highest daily death toll to date so some significance to that number two I mean basically the numbers just keep climbing as you mentioned We've added a lot of new cases in the last few days few weeks, and the total case count is more than two hundred thirty two thousand cases since the style of the pandemic statewide, which is just a big number and that keeps climbing. And our stores and restaurants starting to shut down again as those cases climb across the state. Well it's kind of depends on where you are I mean it's a bit of a case by case basis in some parts of the State, south Florida for example Some of those stores were restraints. closed again. Some restaurants in central Florida at least voluntarily closed because of isolated cases and of course. We've been reading and seeing about Being ordered closed in recent weeks as cases of sparked up of course here in the Atlanta area, which sort of anticipation reopening of Disney world, a couple of packs the evening, the the magic kingdom, and the Animal Kingdom are opening to the public again on Saturday, they've sort of been having soft reopening throughout the week to annual pass holders, and others and Disney says it's got those precautions in place to reopen safely, but reopenings connor preceding and It's basically businesses voluntarily closing if they feel they need to, but That's the extent of it to this point. And just briefly we're hearing about hospitals where ICU beds are already full in Florida. Yes, that's an interesting static. Some Hustle I see us it hitting capacity, but I do say they have capacity to expand one thing that reporters have been asking the governor and the State Obama Health for his Hospitalization Data and Sofa that data has not been forthcoming just here in Orlando I can tell you that advent health one of the hospital systems here had a press conference this morning and confirmed they're now on face. Two of their emergency because of covid nineteen, and that means that the hospital system is kind of moving stuff around, and they're anticipating a surge in hospitalized patients. I was asked making plans to accommodate the the patients to come. Matthew Petty at W. E. IN ORLANDO, thank you? You're welcome. Well like everyone else. Members of generation Z. or dealing with how their futures are going to change. As a result of the pandemic yesterday we spoke with three young people about that and the protests Sha Cuevas strong twenty years old, a student at Spelman College in Atlanta Gal Fernandez. Seventeen who was in Anaheim California an atom Morris. Old Student at Notre Dame University. Here's the rest of our conversation. Let me. Ask You about politics because this is an election year, even though it will probably be a very unusual election year because of the pandemic are each of you. Eager to vote year in the election and is your vote up in the air? Do you know who you're voting for? Start with you? Well Savia can't vote yet, but yes I am quite eager to vote I. If I worried about sadly I. Think I would have to vote for Biden. You know I don't support either of them, but. I think having trump in office. Reformer years would be extremely destructive and divisive to the country. I think it would be A. The wrong choice for country and you know the common argument. What is Biden isn't much different. Won't bring about much change and I think that's just very very privileged way of thinking because a lot of people that say that is simply because they're not personally affected by the changes that trump has made. I mean if we keep trump in office for another four years. Dacca my completely end. He might try to end that again which he said he will do and he wants to do so. Thinking about that is saying that you know I'd rather not vote at all it would. It would basically means that you don't actually. Care that much, because it's not personally affected you, which is why I think That's how I would vote for, but you're seventeen, so you can vote this Denver yet. Adam Morris what you're nineteen! You are going to be eligible to vote. Will you vote? And who will you vote for? Yes will be obviously my first. Either presidential for amid the election I'll be supporting president trump as as a conservative and vice president of College Republicans I know support. Many of his policies and recent events have shown some of the dangers that will happen if a Biden get selected Issues of criminal justice in cities all across the country. You see a abiding look at his campaign platform. He will substantially weaken a criminal justice system at a federal level. which will you know which is really the last backstop when the state criminal justice systems or seemed to be coming apart as they are right now? Let me, ask you one question about that. Because we talked about the coronavirus pandemic, a lot of people on both sides of the aisle have criticized president trump for not wearing a mask in public with your own concerns about Cova how careful you've been! Are you upset with the president who you're going to support for not taking it seriously enough to wear a mask in public. I do not oppose his decision to do that. It's not because I'm opposed to mass wearing generally, but I also do not believe a mask wearing as sort of a universal practice are definitely situations where it is important, but as you know the president, you know I want to be up to see him, you know first of all see his face, and see a strength, and no amid no coming out of his finger and a lot of people. People have accused him of not taking this pandemic. Seriously are not responding quickly off. When in reality, he has no funded in spent trillions in in terms of funding. You know the stay at home orders, allowing people to stay at home away from the pandemic, so I think some of the lot of the criticism. It's certainly misguided, and simply the fact that he is not wearing a mask of frequently is not something that I would blame him for doing. Shockwave Stran-. You're twenty. You will be voting in November, will you? And who will you vote for I I agree with Gail about his sentiments about the elections and how? It will be destructive to have trump in office for four more years. Seeing as the things that have transpired. Are also believed that Biden is. Neck and with trump, as far as a candidate is for US human, being so I'm not one hundred percent supportive of Biden. However, I know the former years will be very destructive. Also believe that when you're voting for president, you're voting in the system. The actively does suppress a lot of voters. There is issues that war rise, so I will vote in the twenty twenty election in I will vote for Biden however I. do not agree with his. Policies and incentives that of her black communities. I WANNA finally. Just ask each of you. Because one of the things that we've heard about generation Z.. Is that you are facing a lot more mental health issues depression etc than than previous generations. How would each of you rate your mental health right now or has this particular pandemic? It's been hard on everybody. Has it been hard on you? Especially hard on you Adam. I'll start with you. Initially, it was a disturbing just because I had some symptoms. That of you know of illness and I thought I might have had the virus, and I was no worried that I might spread it to my parents, but as I as I improved as got better, and also learn more about the virus became less anxious, generally, although being at home, away from people for a long time, and not not interacting with people outside of the home, too much has been difficult, although I do like doing things like reading, and you know music and things that I can do by myself, so it hasn't impacted me too much gail. I think on this whole thing. I started I was definitely fine because. I try not to worry too much about it and just keep a level head towards the whole situation just takes time to process everything. Than ever I'm definitely feeling the impacts of quarantine and the social isolation and lack of contact with people that's definitely lead to feelings of loneliness that I've been experiencing more now. So that has definitely took. A here on my mental health. It's definitely affected it. But your not doing too bad I would say and what about you should quit via I? Understand the feelings or is from Cortina social distancing. There is something that is ideal ever me and my community. Your friends and family have been doing a great job of keeping each other in good spirits be adaptable and dues. zome calls zone dates Netflix's parties just trying to maneuver through this space. To learn this new normal that we're living. Well, thank you all so much for joining us and being so open and honest about your thoughts. It's very interesting to hear. From a younger generation about all these things and we should do it very often. Chikurubi Stran- twenty year old at Spelman College in Atlanta, Gal Fernandez, seventeen year old from Anaheim California Adam Morris nineteen year old at Notre Dame University. Great to talk with you. Thank you, thank you. Thank you that you of. India reported nearly twenty five thousand new, Corona. Virus infections today and its transmission rate is rising for the first time since March the health ministry says the country's death toll is now more than twenty one thousand and India has seven hundred sixty seven thousand infections, the third-highest total in the world, the BBC's Nitin for vast of joins us from Delhi on Skype Nitin the explanation for these numbers, especially this increase transmission rate and twenty five thousand new infections in one day is that because of an easing of restrictions, but yes, we can say that but the other most important aspect of the rising number of cases. Cases is a clear cut example that the testing is happening much more than it was happening three four five weeks before, so we know that in the as such a huge country, the big population, the more you test, the more there is the probability of discovering infections, and that is something which is happening in India and the fact also remains the many. Indian states with huge population who were not testing asks frequently as some other smaller states, so the numbers are definitely going up. Of course, the numbers are alarming, and that is also the reason why the central government the federal government has asked all states in India. India to ensure that eighty percent of the new Cobra nineteen cases that have been detected now actress and quarantined within the next seventy two hours of conservation, and you say on the more the t you test, the more you find the cases, but also the more you test and find the cases, the more you can contact trace, and then the more you test, you find that the rates have gone down. That's hopefully the goal, so is the contact tracing happening so that people can be quarantined? Yes, that's what the government is trying to. Experts feel that there have been instances where there have been localized community transmissions and. And that is more wedding because a window Kalis Kalibbu transmissions happen, and now that India is actually being in an unlock state for the last one month or so there's always a John's off the transmission happening, not just in that particular area, but in a far off region, because now the borders within India are not closed and that is something which is which should be really worrying the government. Of course there's a flip side to it as a different aspect to it, the other thing is that if India has more than seven hundred thousand confirmed cases out of that more than four hundred and fifty thousand cases. People who got infected have. Recovered as the government data, so that leaves India with almost two hundred and fifty thousand active cases now that is something which the government says is a good thing something to cheer about, but is of course the as you said. The twenty four thousand cases in twenty four hours is surely now and just briefly in it. And what does it look like? They're from your point of view I mean. Is Everyone wearing masks? Is Everyone social distancing well? Yes. There is there's a lot of talk about social standing. There's a lot of talk about governments, federal government and the local governments, finding people for not wearing moss in following socialist in in public areas, but you know it's a fifty fifty situation. There are places that are areas where people are really. Particular about maintaining social distancing and rearing moss, but there are areas that people absolutely not bothered about standing. That's also. Well same here. So the literature vast of in Delhi. Thank you so much always a pleasure. So it's so interesting that it turns out that microwaves can Zap the virus wait. That's not true. But the pope did tell me that the world would end this month. Because of the virus, it was a private conversation. When. Know that never happened? But I did have a talk with mother, nature, while she was eating peaches from a peach tree now these are all cova dreams. We've talked before here about Cova. Dreams Jeremy spoke with UC Berkeley's Walker back in April will link you it here and now dot org. These phantasmagoric vivid dreams people have been having Harvard dream researcher Deirdre. Barrett says the combination. Combination of a global crisis and stay at home orders more time to sleep makes this extraordinary time in the history of dreaming. She asked online people's dreams, and she got an earful thousands of them, and now she's published a collection in the new book. Pandemic Dreams along with serious advice on practical exercises you can do to control your dreams and Deirdre Barrett joins us now welcome. Hi Nice to be here as you divide these into categories, a lot of people dream of catching the virus. Talk about that. Yes either literally catching the virus, I can't agree. spiking fever I must have the virus in a dream or a little bit dream like one woman looked down, and saw blue stripes on her stomach and fo- remembered that that was the first symptom of covid nineteen infection, but also then these wild metaphors about the virus bucket tax. Only common cluster of metaphors for the virus. I think partly because we use the slang term. I'm getting a bug to me and I'm getting a virus and people are not only getting it, but dreaming of getting away from it here's one. Humans were to leave our planet boarding any ship. They could tiny houseboats to gigantic cruise ships. We were floating in a giant convoy, picking up new passengers. This idea of getting away from. Yes, they had these visions of going somewhere different society. There's one of the kind of post-apocalyptic where the north. North Pole is the only place that the virus can't be said. This woman is tracking around on the Tundra and she's got a gun which she says in her life, she never owned a polar bear attacks her and she shoots. It parenthetically says she would never shoot anything much than endangered species, but but she's in this kind of brutal Mad Max plus ice kind of upsetting, but then their utopian ones, also where they escaped to some wonderful place, or also just visions of the future where restall right here in place, but it's over. You give advice for people who are traumatized by these dreams. I mean some of them are. Very painful at a parade and it's a wonderful parade. We're all having fun, but doctors and paramedics keep coming through and carrying away. Dead bodies. Talk a little bit about how you can maybe control these dreams like even before you go to sleep, the just stopping -iety, dreams technique is incredibly simple. Basically, you just want to think what you would like to be dreaming about whether it's a favorite person. You can't see right now who you'd like to visit within your dreams or a perfect place. You pick out what? What your ideal dream would be, and then as you're falling asleep. You're telling yourself I WANNA. Dream about this also form a mental image are dreaming. Mind is so visual. It's also a good way to get that requests through to. You're dreaming mind. It doesn't work perfectly for everyone, but in one study I found fifty percent of college students who were focusing on dreaming on a particular topic had had a dream about it. Is that the same as incubating dream? Yes, other dream incubating can be used for lots of. To change mayors not just as in, don't have as many, but have some mastery outcome scripted different. Ending to them, dream incubation can be used to try to solve a particular problem whether it's a personal one, or you know some professional. You're working on a chemistry problem. And Ask your dream while you're stuck on this and what you need to do differently. You write down. The problem is a brief phrase. Places the bid review it just before you go to bed. Tell yourself you WANNA dream about the problem. Just as you're drifting off and then keep a pen and paper to note as you wake up, so you can write it down. We know that it's kind of in a way. Good for you because you're. You're having this stress anyway, so you're working it out through your sleep, but that doesn't help you know when your heart is pounding in your. Dream that I that I had covert. Nineteen is one of the terrible nightmares I had couldn't breathe and I really couldn't breathe in my dream. And I woke up and both my cats were my chest, which is. Couldn't breathe. Yeah I noticed that with a lot of dreams that people would describe that the cover was over their face, but yeah, I mean I really believe in interpreting dreams but I just hear from so many people I just want to stop having as many anxiety dreams district in my sleep. They're they're interfering. And so that's why I've got that. Okay? Okay if you don't WanNa. It. You know just just think of what you WANNA dream about, and that will make it much less likely that you have. Anxiety dreams tonight. What's the Ark of dreams? Yeah the ARC has sort of been from early pandemic. Dreaming I've got the virus and also lots of dreams that seem to be practicing social distance and masks. I get out in public. Can I suddenly remember I on my mask or too close to someone? And then Ed transitioned while we were still locked down, so people who were? Locks down alone tended to dreams of being thrown in prison, solitary confinement, dreams of being one person Mars Colony, people who were sheltering with their whole families and groups of roommates were dreaming that the entire neighborhood had moved into one woman's house and she couldn't even walk through a room because there were so many cops set up with people sleeping on the another was trying to go to the bathroom and couldn't close the door, because everybody's stuff was blocking the door that was there in the middle, and then anxiety dreams about the end of the lockdown. Especially people I seem to be. Being called back to work before they're very comfortable with that, but also more of these long term visions of the future, which are divided from post-apocalyptic to really Utopian one's. My favorite was this woman came outside for the first time, and the Wales had learned to fly with her phrase. Oils were swooping through the sky. Give us another technique here. We by the way you recommend doing this work sometimes with a therapist, but you can do your dream interview. Yeah, that's about the simplest technique you can do it with a friend doing the interviewing or interview yourself you pick out the elements in the dream that just seemed like the key parts of it. The main characters any object that stands out so you run through each of these key elements, and you ask the dreamer or you ask yourself. What is if you've dreamed about a cat? What is the cat and one person will say? Oh these cute little animals that we have to take care of their like I children and the next person will say their animals with sherp teeth. I got bit by a cat when I was a kid and I still have a scar, so you go through each element, and then you tie it together. So what in my waking life is like and you kinda string the associations to each of these elements together. Sky Andy had dreamed. He went into a bar that looked really happy and lively and order to drink, and as he was waiting, the man next to him, fell over and blew away. He looked at everyone else to see if. If they were startled, and he realized they were all cardboard cutout figures, and they begin to blow away so when I was doing the dream interview with him and ask him what cardboard cutouts are. He said well who the only ones he could really think of. We're in the movie home alone to where the little boy is all by himself and criminals are outside, wanting to kidnap or murder him, and so he sets up all these life size cut outs in the windows to look like he's happy and having a big party and lots of friends are there, and so he just immediately heard that perfect metaphor. He was locked down alone and. Doing Zoom and stuff to kind of create the feeling of having an actor social life, any of felt the little two-dimensional to him and he really you know it was not until he was saying cardboard cutouts ical home alone that about him. It's fascinating a digital Barrett authors psychologist who teaches at Harvard Medical School her latest book, Pandemic Dreams Deirdre Dr Barrett. Thank you so much. It was fun to be here and. As House races across the country. Heat up looking at them each week on here now in for this week's district profile, we turn to New Mexico's second congressional district Democratic Congresswoman. Social Torres small faces a challenge from former state representative Republican Yvette Herrell. It's a rematch from twenty eighteen. Joining us now is Joe Monahan. Who writes the blog New Mexico politics with Joe Monahan Joe Welcome thanks for having me well. A Torres small is only the Second Democrat to represent this district in decades. Can you tell us more first of all just about the district? The district is huge. It's one of the largest congressional districts in America and extends basically completely south, and West and east, from Albuquerque, which is basically in the center of the state, is largely rural district. Except for Dona Ana County, which has the city of Las Crisis, which is the center of Progressive Politics in the district, and where Torres small comes from, but the rest of the district leans conservative and often Republicans so it makes for a very interesting up well, and let's start with the incumbent Torres. Small here is recent ad from her campaign. WATER IS LIFE It's the new. Mexico way. I'm so chill Torres Small I've spent my career working with new, Mexico farmers and ranchers, protecting water and the water rights they depend on like federal drought, Legislation and funding for new conservation methods. Okay so she is playing up the environmental points in that ad, but there are ads coming in from outside groups against her including the conservative American Action Network, which says that she voted to impeach. The president hasn't fixed. The opioid crisis secured the border. Give us a sense of her candidacy. I think that spot kind of sums it up. That spot is about water, which is about as noncontroversial really as you can get at least the way she phrases it. This is really going to be embrace where the Republicans are going to try to get those hot button issues. You've mentioned to the front. If trump cannot perform well in the southern district, the odds will favor the tour small re-election. Heroin dependent upon how the president does and has been painting very closely to him. She knows her. Fortunes are directly tied to trump's. Basically. That's the race in a nutshell. Well and let's listen to one of her. As this is Yvette, Herrell the Republican, I'm Christian. Conservative on trump conservative I'm running for Congress, and I'm running for you I'm Yvette Herrell, and like president trump I fought for New Mexico, businesses and families against government overreach. Swan that's why I'm endorsed by trump allies like Mark Meadows Mike, Huckabee Jim Jordan and the NRA I'm asked okay, so she is embracing the far right there in that ad, and it sounds like that's what she's doing her campaign well. There's nothing complicated about that, is there? She's tied to the hip of the president and she just puts it all out there. It's a direct plea to of the trump base voters to get out and vote. It's all about turnout, especially in the southeastern part of the district, which is a conservative and which has the big oil and gas. Gas Industry there, and that's what the race comes down to who can get that vote out now Torres small got her progressive base out in Las cruces in a big way two years ago, narrowly won the race by less than three thousand votes, and it looks like we're headed for another barn burner, because the messages from both are going to be very well done. This is a national campaign drawing the top political strategist from across the nation. So this race probably starts as a toss up or maybe a little bit lean Democrat because Torres small after all is the incumbent. Well but if Torres smallest trying to turn out the Progressive Base that she has why she's talking about water well, it's interesting, isn't it? Because the progressive basis turning the other way on some of her votes, which have been towards the conservative or what she likes to call the moderate side in order to appease the Conservatives and not get them all out of their seats to vote against her, so it's interesting. She did not receive a primary from a progressive, but her voting record does skirt the progressives on several matters including stuff like gun. there's also a proposal to put high level nuclear waste storage site in that district, and she has not come out against it like the rest of the congressional delegation. You know so. She has skirted a few of the issues like Medicare for all the green new deal that are dear to the progressive parts, but they so want to get rid of trump, and they so want to have a Democrat that I think that she's been given a pass on some of those more controversy ally Dems that she's voted on vis-a-vis the Progressive Base, I imagine there are not a lot of polls going on in the second district of New Mexico. No, but I think that we both can ascertain from a radio spots in the fundraising. That's GONNA. Come in that this race is going to be highly competitive again. A lot of it's going to depend on how the president performs. He won this district by ten points in two thousand sixteen. If he falls below that level, you would have to say that the. Prospects of tourists small are improved, but if he holds at that level or more, there may not be much tour small could do to avoid a heroin. Joe Monahan. Who writes the blog new? Mexico politics with Joe Monahan, joining us from Albuquerque to talk about the second district in New Mexico in the race. There Joe Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. And I should say Robin all this talk about New Mexico full disclosure. I have been binging breaking bad. I'd never seen it. And I just finished season four last night. So only one left every beware of mild-mannered chemistry teacher. Here, now is a production of NPR. In Wvu are in association with the BBC World Service I'm Jeremy Hobson. I'm running young. It is here now.

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No NBA, The Coronavirus & What's Next?

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No NBA, The Coronavirus & What's Next?

"Mornings we're world and welcome to the podcast on the athletic now work. Thursday march twelfth. I'm Jay skeets and alongside meat as always tasks Melissa. Hello everybody up. Desi Trey Kerby international man of mystery taking it to the Max Leila friend not least making the magic happen it's GD hello there is and here we are for what is going to be a very weird edition of the dunks podcast. Let's just get right into it. This is crazy the NBA suspended. Its season last night after Jazz Center. Rudy Gobert tested positive for the CORONA VIRUS. So the League released a statement quote the NBA suspending gameplay following the conclusion of Wednesday schedule of games until further notice the NBA will use this to determine next steps for moving forward in regard to the corona virus pandemic. So I mean you guys saw. I'm sure a lot of you. Listening saw what was going on last night thunder jazz. You know they're about to start this game and then suddenly there's confusion what's going on. Both teams are then immediately quarantined to their locker rooms guest. The thunder players eventually left the jazz players tested late last night. We're still waiting on the results of some of the other jazz members. Does anybody else on this team have it. They didn't play this game. And then this statement comes out and then there was one more game that was going to be tipping. It was Pelicans kings. That one eventually postpone because one of the referees Courtney Kirkland who was scheduled to work that Pelicans kings game you know he just worked the game in Utah Raptors Jazz. And everyone's like well. I mean he can't be working this one and now. Gobert has corona virus. I mean let's get rid of this too so they postponed that so this is where we're at your takeaway from watching this all unfold in real time last night Which was pure really. We've never seen anything like this was odd to see other games actually going on. After the under jazz game was happening in a perfect world there would have been zero games happening last night and that they would have all been cleared off the board and the NBA would've suspended their season. So there was that sort of feeling of this is extremely strange. That being said this is absolutely the right thing to do and all teams around the League are going to quarantine their players. The Ven Diagram of all the teams having played each other within the last couple of weeks when Rudy Gobert could have had the virus in the last fourteen days. You can have it for fourteen days until you feel symptoms. So they play the wizards two weeks ago. The wizards according to Fred cats are talented players. You gotta get Corn Yeah. The Toronto Raptors who the jazz played on Monday have told her players all their personnel. You GotTa be quarantined. So that's what's happening in the NBA. And we a couple of days ago and we talked about the stopgap measure which was a the reports being six to eight feet away from players. We thought I personally. We all talk about it as a stopgap measure. I thought the only good thing that could come from that is that a player may not contracted from a reporter. Because the whole league would shut down now rudy. Gobert got a couple of weeks ago. That could have absolutely been nothing but now we are at that position and here are what what is there to say after that other than every single person in the population really should be getting tested. But I mean let's talk about the NBA. 'cause sure you're tuning in for a bit of a diversion a but we'll get to that. I saw I think it was at Stat Muse. Tweeting last night. This idea of just how quickly this all spreads because these teams play each other in a contact sport and you know. It's a breeding ground. Any locker room for for anything being passed around virus so all thirty teams can be connected in. Just the last five days yeah do it like Ping Ping Ping Ping Ping Ping Ping. I went through a bit of a bit of a stretch. That doesn't really make sense that five day thing because they played on Monday Rigobert Played Toronto on Monday. But then the ven diagram says well. The Raptors played these teams prior to Monday's. So if it was from Rudy Gobert anyways but at the last two weeks there is a diagram. There's a lot more people that have it in the world and more people Dan just there are other guys that have it. And that's why every team should be quarantined and I'm sure they will be by the end of the week. It honestly felt like the scene in a contagion movie where you're getting all the headlines from around the world of crazy things that have happened with the virus. Nba Suspense season. Tom Hanks Rita Wilson they have the president has closed the borders. These sort of things look like things you'd see spinning onto the screen in a movie about this and it was just unbelievable to see him all piling up and at least the NBA made the right move to suspend the season. You know they could have been like the NC Double A. And they're just trying to wait it out just trying to wait it out. See if there's any way they can still try and get some money out of this. But that's a stupid way to go about things so the the key is flattening the curve. This will hopefully happen right. It took a player unfortunately actually being for big business. That's what they're trying to do is just hope that it didn't actually hit someone who's an actual face or a player in the James could in theory still played man. There's no fans in there in a season. We'd continue money still made broadcasting all that even if it was a support staff I think then they would have been like you know what that person away from the team but everyone else can continue to play but I like the fact that the NBA wants his came together. I didn't even hesitate. I just had to season suspended so I guess that was a contingency plan. They had in place they probably discussed said someone gets it though seasons on and the fact that the raptors have advised their place to quarantine for at least fourteen days gives us some indication that we weren't being basketball for minimum two weeks. You probably I expected to be longer but we know that you know you mentioned that Fred Katz. Saying the wizards told applies four days. Well clearly if every team isn't ready to go this season just cannot resume fourteen different cats at fourteen days I did. I thought he had only four days but anyway what I may have for days. But there's a teen in there for sure there's no there's no four day four day cure here anyway. What what is the point? The point is that we may not see Boswell again this season but we possibly will. Yeah I think Kevin told Rachel Nichols this morning that this is going to be a suspension and it could go and you should be ready to give players and everybody should be ready to play into August. Yeah so I thought win horse had a great point. I saw him writing about this today. At the minimum. You're right league. This is going to be two weeks. That's far fetched that we're going to be playing basketball two weeks from now Windhorst says by comparison. The virus broke out in China. The Chinese Basketball Association. They suspend suspended play in late January and they are not even back yet so they are in the process of returning here in early April. That's like approximately ten weeks just to use that as an example. So it's going to be longer than two weeks. I think we can agree with that. Now there are really like three options when it comes to the regular season right with the NBA. In my opinion one. They just cancel completely. This season is done. There is no regular season games to be played. There's no playoffs. There's no champion and it's just a rep and baseball strike style. Yeah and you obviously let the hopefully get the virus under control forget the leagues in North America and the world. And then you know knock on Wood. You just start. The new season come October. I think that's farfetched. I think they're weird way. They're going to want some sort of ending to the season would be awed so the second option they come back when obviously everyone feel safe to do so in front of fans or not but three or four weeks five weeks whatever it is and you just pick up where we left off so we play the remaining fifteen to twenty regular season games teams have and you played the playoffs like you normally when you have a champion and everything just gets pushed like you're saying and that we're we're not deciding a champion until August now that would have an effect probably on the next season. That's something we talked about yesterday if there was maybe a weird silver lining in all this of pushing things back well. Maybe that has an impact on next season's idea of like shortening the season or not starting till you know Christmas or into the New Year. Some effect like that and then the third option is they comeback in two three four five weeks. Whatever it is and there's like a truncated version of this regular season or truncated version of the playoffs. Best to fives in the first round. Whatever and it's still get like a closure of the regular season and of course a closer to the playoffs. What do you I mean? Does that make sense of those three options? I think those are what they would be forgetting. I think the third option probably makes the most sense. That's just my gut says to basically let's say you know call it at sixty games. Whatever it is and then we have the teams that are in the playoffs. Assuming things are ready to go again by middle of April when in the playoffs normally start whatever. Yeah then just play the playoffs as normal so you say even there's no really regular season games remaining you. Just call it Sari Blades. Yes sorry spurs sorry Pelican. That's the other thing is that there is probably enough of a gap to say. Let's just give it to the grizzlies? They've been in that right spot the spot they deserve it and just started in April but so you say just start the place I would just I. It was normal because there's so many knock on effects from if you're playing into into war just that just don't work because of the Olympics because of the summer break and then if you choose to stop Nixon light than perhaps that's an option but I think the NBA would probably prefer to next season back on a normal schedule in my opinion. So I think that but but that Adam silver and the team. They have a lot of thinking to do over the next week or two to decide exactly what to do because there are so many people affected by this That they have to consider and we're seeing Mark Cuban last. Espn saying one of his priorities is trying to figure out a way to keep the people who are on the payroll paid because for some of them that's earned income and so they're going to be the ones who are affected the the most severe yeah people working concession stands and ushers in janitorial services and stuff like that yeah that was an incredibly quick response from from Mark Cuban to be interviewed during the game and to come up with that idea anyways they will fall through. I assume the Dallas Mavericks will in every every NBA team should follow through because that should be the priority of businesses throughout the US to take care of those who are worried day to day a month to month. I have trust in a billionaire. Mark Cuban rates as the other ones. Yeah where three teams that wanted fans at their games last night so I imagined that they will whenever the season comes back. Those kind of teams are still going to want to get those pocket that pocket change the gate receipts from having another fifteen twenty games you know. The warriors make the most per game of any team in the league. They have nothing to play for this season. But they've got a lot of people to pay You're saying you're saying the three teams that Adrian Road Generosity reported that governor meetings piped up and said. Hey let's wait until there's a government memo from the federal government to say. Hey stop playing games. Apparently Asian Roach reported that the rockets the Pacers and the Knicks said originally. It was the Knicks and then the rockets and Pacers got added to the report that those three teams WanNa hang out until there was something. And that's that's the worrisome. Part is that every industry has to make their own guidelines here and so and and really all the testing is coming from the government like that sorry governor level and local level rather than the federal level so everybody sort of every every person every business for himself which is a little bonkers. What do you guys think about sort of again? Those the possibilities of what you do with the rest of the regular season. Well I mean the smartest thing to do would be just go into the playoffs. But I don't think that's realistic to happen. I think that even like I'm saying the teams that are even out of the playoffs are gonNA WANNA play the end of the regular season because there's a lot of money it's they want to. Which makes me think that they will probably play along regular season when we won't see NBA players in the Olympics. If they're even isn't just because there's money out there and I mean if you're the Pelicans are you gonna down your season when you quote unquote have a chance to make the playoffs. Probably not I mean. It seems to make the most sense that we're just cut in two months out of the season and just hopping right back into the playoffs when it started but Is that realistic? I'm not sure certainly unprecedented. Whatever we're facing right now. There's no historical landmark similar to this to to decide what the right thing to do is because when you've had strikes in the past we've sort of known they were coming and people have at least had a little bit of time to prepare this one. Well we did have a little bit of time for to prepare but no one. I don't think expected it to be quite so sudden. I mean disarm. Yesterday we didn't think the season was going to be suspended. So it's a it's certainly new territory and everybody is affected by whether you're a worker with your fan with your kids. Whatever everyone has to be careful because this is a lethal virus that has claimed people's lives and that has always gotta be the top priority. Here that game is meaningless. A gate receipt is meaningless when people's health is seriously at risk. Right now. Yeah. I was hearing some trickling of rumors yesterday afternoon. Way before these games were happening when the governor meetings were happening basically the the two options on the table which was suspend this thing and we'll go from there or no fans in the stands which is seemingly according to reports where the NBA was leaning. And I initially saw that the NBA according to some some trickles that the NBA was leaning towards suspension. And I immediately thought we need leaders in in America right now Adam. Silver is going to be our leader is going to be the guy that's going to make that decision and make a hard decision for for the League and then the decision was absolutely made. Four him in a way. It's it's probably the start of a trickle down effect to other Sports Leagues to other tournaments like the NC double A. March madness. That could be may madness. What is wrong with that? I mean just push it back. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Logistics be damned. There's other priorities in life and That has to happen just has to happen so I'm silver has made this decision and tease. It's been a heck of a year for for the NBA. Obviously with David stearns passing and Kobe. Bryant's passing China cautioned. Accuracy was easily skip over that. And and here we are and this is just something that had to be done and it was going to happen because traits there are far more people in the NBA. That have it. They're just not being tested. Yeah and we already heard all the concerts. Being canceled conferences being canceled You know colleges of course being shut down other sporting events that you guys are saying that the Grand Prix is probably not going to be happening. Who knows what the Olympics tons of like other sports like world figure Skating Championships Montreal? That's been canceled. Alpine skiing cancel. They anything were there is a social gathering is not great at preventing virus from spreading. So stop doing it. And that's what everybody is now getting on board with I'm interested in having the NC Double A. Said like so far what we know as a recording. They're going to be playing these games just no fans. They should cancel. I many come on copy Kanzi now that they will still go ahead with because this was kind of before it came out yesterday with the Rudy Gobert though taking strong step by saying no fans but now this has happened. I just can't see when you consider how many people are going to be confined to the same locker rooms and hotels in airplanes and all that it seems a very very bad risk to right so a lot of people are wondering right now listening to this. What does this mean for the podcast? I mean there is no Mba we do daily MBA podcast. We don't really know the answer to be completely honest just breaking late last night but I'm pretty confident in saying as long as we're all healthy we can come into the office and see each other every day we And maybe even if we were at home doing it the plan is to continue to do or have something for you daily possible and maybe we get a little creative with what we're going to be doing you up that cricket music JD. I hope you have like a million cricket punts but yeah we don't we don't know this is if you have a suggestion of a a podcast idea. You've always wanted us to try. Now's the time to to send it in tweet at US Hashtag. No-dong sat no-dong sink or emails. Dot THE ATHLETIC DOT COM and be prepared for us not to show up because honestly within a week it could easily be. Everybody has to be home right. Yeah absolutely could. It feels like if anything I don't know I'm sure it's different from state to state here in Georgia from just interactions with people out and about. It's not a big deal at all to most people in experiences I've had in my One of my friends is any our doctrine. He says he expects fifty million hospitalizations within three weeks. So I am saying I'm agreeing with that. I am saying the day-to-day people that you come across in your life so far here in Georgia at least not. I don't know people are not talking about it. Like it's a big deal. It's going to be doing that here. I don't know it's a seem strange to me and I mean I don't know if the American system can hold at absolutely can't force gatherings to stretch it out to hopefully make it so that they have time to spread out the people who are going into hospitals and get vaccine's and get tests made we are instituting our own social distances which is nuts. It should be coming from top down but I agree with skeets in a way. Those who aren't talking to doctors are basically under the impression that this isn't a big deal when that is the message coming from the highest office in the land. That's what's happening. But there was a congressional doctor the doctor for Congress and the Supreme Court that said the exact same thing. You're inside Info doctor. They're seventy to one hundred and fifty million. That's the range of people that are going to be contracted. That's a fifth to half of the population in the US and there are not enough hospital beds. There's a million hospital beds that are about eighty percent of them seventy to eighty percent or occupied at all times so you add that you need a ventilator for quite often for this this respiration disease you need respiratory assistance and those aren't readily available so not to mention. There's not a lot of doctors out there. They're all going to be coming down with corona viruses. Well they're working non-stop night after night. So yeah we may not be her. We may be doing it remotely. But that's the beauty of podcasts. It away and maybe the beauty of the teams playing on average right now doing a little math. It's like sixty four point. Six six games Maybe that's the benchmark now the template for the NBA to say if they do end up cancelling the rest of the games and it goes to sixty on average sixty six. Well we've talked about a good amount of the exact number throwing drop cutting slicing sixteen games off. Maybe this is the template going forward. Maybe it takes a terrible terrible terrible terrible disease and situation but there are people dying and that's what we gotta worry about. If you are worried you have been exposed to the virus. Make sure you use telehealth all right and just don't go into a clinic without calling ahead and all serious. There's a decade hotline. If you think you've been exposed just call it one. Eight hundred four five six seven seven zero seven and at least to do your small part. That's the weird thing. Everybody's gotTa try and do their their own little small part to flatten the curve. As you said can I interject with some breaking news here from Adrian Wochit Rusedski Jazz Star? Donovan Mitchell has tested positive for the corona virus. All right jazz players privately say that Rudy. Gobert had been careless in the locker room. Well according to road watch touching other players and their belongings. Well well I mean. We didn't even address it when we're bringing up go bare their top. Everybody's seen the clip of him a couple days ago when it's been mandated that the press needs to be your feedback and you've seen the clip. He's he wasn't afraid of it. Touching all of the Mike's touching the the phones that are the reporters used to record the conversation. And now this breaking Woche Yeah He. He's getting a lot of the heat for that. But that doesn't that mean that the virus was already on those so so I'm saying one of some one of the report. He didn't necessarily get it from. He's he's taking the well. People are putting much of it on him but I mean I guess it was already out there i. It is a thing that there's the six to eight foot distancing. We'll protocol that they had. The recorders are allowed to be as close as possible which doesn't make a lot of sense now. I always thought it was people standing back in there have been barriers and people had to stand behind those barriers. But it never occurred to me that there would be recorders until I saw that clip really so Mitchell tested positive. I saw a hundred percent true. His tested positive. For the Corona Virus League sources have told WHOA JR and jazz players are saying privately non non coming out on the record. That Rudy had been careless in the locker ray touching other players and their belongings find out about Emmanuel Moody. Who was also out with? An illness was ever confirmed that he had tested positive. Which you would think we would have heard. He did considering we heard that Mitchell did. That's fair and I know Roy. Syama was doing unbelievable job with ESPN last night at that jazz thunder game. He's obviously in okay. See I heard him this morning saying you know they were testing all the players the Utah players to then hopefully get them back to Salt Lake City and there was this idea that well if you tested positive you're going to be on one plane or maybe even taking a bus and you know to be quarantined away from the people that didn't test that tested negatively and they have their own flight. I mean this is and then when they get back to Salt Lake City. Same thing one hospital for the people that have the virus that that don't to remain quarantine because you could have it of course still Roy Santos doing an incredible job on ESPN. And then we saw his wife carry on even even tweet leave that microphone at the Arena. And now it's starting to affect our little are tiny tiny little circle of the media world but people from okay you know whether they cover the jazz having to travel home and then being thousands a thousand miles away from their home and their loved ones and travel ban coming from Europe and and people worrying if they can get their kids home from Europe but yes they can't they can't and that was a very puzzling night overall but what was really ought about the situation in okay see there was that. Rudy had these symptoms throughout the afternoon and he gets tested but he feels fine enough to play and his his status changed to questionable and then the results of the test come down after he was changed a questionable and oh he has grown and now he can't play Let's stop everything and it was such a strange scene. Because for half an hour there performers going in. Okay see on the floor and literally dance back. You go a musical artist. Who can sing? You go and really just taking turns. It was such a strange scene. It was the contagion thing is it was a it was a movie it really was. Yeah I saw Henry Abbot of True Hoop in his newsletter. Giving a lot of praise to Donny strack was his name is the he he is the jazz For his exact title off the top of my head but the man that came out to tell the officials to tell the league. Hey he tested positive late. We probably shouldn't have this game. We need to get these guys. Quarantine class second. Yeah right exactly like right at the last second he was sprinting. Yeah to the floor. The details of it like reading through Royce's story reading through other stories like that happened seconds before the game started they had to restart Zombie nation for the fans because they were ready standing as the thunder fans. Do they stand until their team scores? They were ready to do that. And then suddenly it started over get numbers like that doesn't seem right So yeah it's a weird stuff and just have this is thunders vice president of human employer performance so actually with okay see finds out. The results sprints out there and says we need to shut this this game down immediately. Yeah he's but he's been there forever with the Utah which dropping some INFO. This isn't this isn't a bomb whatsoever. But the rockets did favor a three to four weeks pause since we through the lump them into those teams wanted to play in front of fans. They wanted a pause less enthusiastic about the idea of playing games in the short term without fans But this was inevitable and it's going to happen in seemingly every sports league but the NHL hasn't followed suit time right. Well you would think so. Especially the heck. Don't they share locker rooms half of these NBA teams while you're talking about that? Ven Diagram crossovers for sure and they play in the same arenas exactly that You know I might as well throw this out here to talking about the NBA. Being postponed for two three four five. Whatever it is weeks we obviously have a schedule event with WHO talks in Toronto on March. Twenty eighth told you guys about it. You guys went and bought all the tickets. I'm guessing it's unlikely that event is going to happen. It's not officially cancelled us. Flying up there and you guys all coming together and doing what we shouldn't be doing being social gathering. I think it's unlikely that it happens being what. What's the date today? The twelfth two weeks change unlikely. But we'll keep you up to date as soon as we know whether that event is officially cancelled again. I assume it would be especially when you consider that. They're supposed to be like it was a part viewing party. It was going to be Raptors Grizzlies. That game Warning percent not happening so unfortunate. But that's just where we are with this thing and yeah we are going to try. And keep continuing to podcast. Get your ideas in. And this week we were afforded now to be even little crazier than normal. We were joking. The last two podcasts. We've done have been quite insane at times as it is because you know you start to get a little loopy around mid-march ban shorts though. Yeah all that skin. Yeah sorry man you gotTa wear. Have you seen the forecast the next few days? No No. It's actually going to rain. So yeah if you have ideas. So we'll try things I always want. I want to watch an old game with you. Basketball no freaking time. What means a trade you Su- survivor. For Cricket. I'll watch survivor review. Which allow right or is an eight days survivor? Never end ever talking about for a lot longer than eight. I tell you like you got lost the final to next week's like You GotTa get that Man. You talk about this virus affecting everybody. They've postponed the filming of season. Forty one and forty two now. Why even survivor with the idea of like I mean they do it in Fiji where you don't believe there have been any like confirmed positive tests but the idea of guys flying from all over the world where men and women that make the show happen. They're like well. We can't do what everybody else is saying. Shouldn't do so yeah. It's been postponed even survivor. Wow even jeff brooks not immune to the corona virus. Crazy crazy stuff He's probably immune to the current Mirus. He's just not immune to the effects of the come on. It's JEFF JEFF FROGS SUPERMAN. All those cargo pants exactly so get your questions in. We'll be beach step in at the very least so if you have questions both. Nba related or not You guys send them a lot of silly questions keeping coming no dunks at the athletic dot com and we'll go beach step in once or twice all right. We do have anything else guys for we move on here. We do have a tweet of the night from our man. 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If this is really it I thank everyone for your love and support for all these years. Be Easy piece pace. Vince Carter if this is really he says that was so strange so strange. Oh this the whole thing that made the news filtering through throughout the game and then to be. Leon Lloyd pays this. I think he said to him visas like sure. So you hit the three and the next day definitely gave it to step into game was over and his career could be book ended by short. Yes do this for came in with the lockout season only played fifty games that year. And now who? The heck knows what's happening yeah and And then had another lockout within that whole time for twenty two years very very strange if that is truly the ending of its Carter but he seemed happy that he hit his final shot. If if it is the case and you know what? It's a little bit of pressure for it to be your final shots wide open. You gotTa make money. Yeah he had he did like a twenty minute press conference after the game at times throughout it but that was pretty cool. All right. Vince. Carter tweeted and I love it. Pick 'em results. I mean look at the game. We were picking from got cancelled. Kill Music Jd. Pelicans kinks has done. They're like we're not playing it because after we found out about Caughlin the referee having just officiated the jazz game days prior. But here's the results right now where we're at from whenever we pick this backup trays foreign to everybody else. Three and three. Yeah well I think the Pelicans probably would've won last night. So whoever picked the Pelicans gets the W. No no no it's Taken off the board and still owe a pick em payoff. We haven't forgotten. We have just been busy whether it's been crappy down here at times but we'll get to it especially especially now. I would assume we basically lock it in. That's going to be happening either tomorrow or at the very least early next week. I you know barring a barring any unforeseen circumstances I will be paying off. February's pick 'em loss and then we got to figure out what we're doing with this. I guess we just wait and go from there traits. Raise loving this. He's fine he's four to three of us three way tie Mike. Goodness more Sports News from the athletics Paul to Norio who reports that multiple sources at major league soccer teams have been told the League is suspending games immediately. Domino effect though the Australian Grand Prix will go ahead. According to Haley stanway after the nine other teams have agreed. Can you the rice? I can't believe that we'll I mean the racism until Sunday so there is still time for it to to be cancelled. That seems very very similar. That's yeah crazy but we saw how quickly this stuff changes right. Just last night as a perfect example guys follow us on twitter and Instagram. At no dunk zinc. You know we're on facebook. Were still there facebook dot com slash dunk. 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Part 3: John White, Jeremy Plonk

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Part 3: John White, Jeremy Plonk

"John White joining US good morning morning. Sleep for me when I was a kid was long acres. That was the place to be so That's that's an interesting story there. I wanted to weigh in on this gold up at Belmont and I I was texting with a friend within seconds after the race 'cause he texted me itself. What do you think and before they even put up the a your objection or inquiry and I said well I said I thought that Vino Rosso ran a good race and he seems to be a curling improving with age like a fine wine that I added in my text to him. I said but I said there could be a D. Q. Here and I said that without obviously having seen the head on what I then also texted him 'cause he. He texted back and said really and I said yes might be the Q. I said in New York they pretty much. Let them play more than anywhere these days but this could be the queue so I was on the same page ages you in terms of if you if you go by the recent past history there you're really not expecting a D Q so they might see the head on several times. I was watching the Fox broadcast which I've said many times that is such an outstanding broadcast and they showed and then after a while they were showing with the lanes and I mean look Vino came out not once not twice ice three times he there. was there a bump. No I wouldn't even never say there was a bump but there's like contact and as you pointed out Steve I'm being hurting. I loved your comparison in terms of being on the road in your car when the car in the lane next next to you starts coming into your lane. What do you do? I mean 'cause I used that same analogy a lot of times as has a steward myself in something else when I've been stewart by self that I've told jockeys looked the more you stay straight in race Jason. I and I told them in fact I mean I told Rubin Twenties this at Los Alamos when I was in the stand for the last week of that thoroughbred herb red meat in the summer. I said Ruben. You're a fine writer. Horses run for you. You've got a great future but keep in in mind. When you're out there. The more you can possibly stay straight the last you'RE GONNA be in here seeing the stewards and the more success you really GonNa have have because it doesn't help your business if you're constantly in the steward's office in the morning and sometimes you're going to be you know skate through with a Q. Just because in the opinion of the sewer that didn't affect the order finish or didn't deny a horse the opportunity we get for a better finish but you'll be just lucky on in that regard but the more you can stay straight the less headaches. You're GONNA have the less headaches sir. I've told many many writers this for many many years so this is the thing about being Rosso the minute. He is not staying in his lane. He's putting himself in some jeopardy of possibly being be cute and so to me my vote would have been for a the Q. and I that was my decision before the stewards rendered their decision and I have to admit I was a little surprised when they voted for the D. acute just because of the recent history of how they've been judging this type of situation New York now Steve. It seems to me that there has been a change in the personnel recently in this year in Stewart's Dan. you know we have that that. WHO has gone into the stand and I barley obey a isn't he knew I mean he's. He's been there forever now. He's been there for for even one. One person change can change the dynamics to to how stewards it's rule and this is why to me you know people constantly or talking. All we want consistency. We want consistency and then I've heard some people in racing. Even some commissioners or board members say you know what if you keep the same stewards in the stand all the time they get stale. We should mix them up. Well mixing up. Stewart's to me is not conducive to consistency so one thing but you hope for is that you keep kind of a panel of seward's on a consistent. It's the basis and hope that those words will be consistent now the way they ruled this race. Steve the whole would be as you've are ticketed aided that they now continue to judge Rayson similar to this one when they get a similar situation in other words. If we get another one of these he's hurting deals. One would hope that the number would come down again but again. It's got to be a close. The merging here was you know only Canosa and that's a big element in this decision. often been two lanes or something. I doubt whether taking the Russell now but one that's a nose else and that was enough of an incident throughout really the entire stretch when you think about it I mean from where they started at the top of the stretch stretched the finish so I agree with the Bq and I I'm with you sleep and with Andy I think it is in the best interest of racing racing to judge races in terms of of when you get these horses directing like that and to to take those numbers down more often than not yeah if they're GONNA do it. They're going to do it consistently and and also beyond the consistency of of the decisions when they when it gets it to their ants. I don't understand understand why they've gotten away and Richmond. Yori has discussed this too because big for a while had been had been drafted to work with the young riders but I do not know why the film patrol concept y. Y that has has been kind of. I don't know if it's been abandoned per se but the you know the opportunity to sit with riders and say to them. You guys have got to stop this us and we're going to start calling it on a regular basis so you might as well hold your lane now and because you can do it we understand the heat of the battle and going a little bit too much with one hand or another. You know it can drive a horse in the direction. I mean frankly I to me. It seemed as if Iraq in the left hand. If you just got back to writing he might have been fine. He he went he after the first contact he we're back left handed at least one more time maybe twice and I think that that was probably what flag the stewards to say. This was more than just a casual bump. He carried him to two and a half pads and I. I'm a little surprised that the people who are continuing to say it it would never do that. Via Rosso never should have come down that that's that's a little hyper hyperbole basically as to to to what transpired there but if they're going to do it regularly. I think it'd be great for everybody involved John Stewart there right now coming off listens and we'll call it the controversial aspect of this because it's a major race and obviously it's been on social media and so forth as as well as the regular media what I would advocate the my two colleagues would be you know what what we should do. Is this the next day we have racing. We should win to the jocks room have a meeting with these jockeys and explain our thinking on that particular race but more importantly Thornley going forward ladies and gentlemen. This is what the policy is going to be and when you do Vino Rosso did you can expect a very good change. Your number is coming down in other words the communication element of this and I'm a big proponent of this in other words. You don't just sit back I. I've always been a proactive stewart. this is one thing. I disagreed with Bernie Ernie handle who was a long time Stewart and was a steward for many Kentucky derbies but a draw for a Kentucky Derby that was basically done by Chris Lincoln Komo. Vision broadcaster got all messed up and they were saying well. You know Jesus you that that's a shame that happened. Bernie handles that yeah. It's a shame because because we are stewards we want. I might be as we address problems when they get dumped in our lap. I'm not of that ilk. If there's any kind of problem problem I can nip in the bud before it gets to my lap. I do it and you know I'm always acted the safety of racing you know when I was a steward the first time he Akamot Komo Meadows in nineteen seventy nine at the age of twenty four the first week of the meat was during the fair and they had a big ferris wheel to the north side of the grandstand not too far from the track and I was starting to see a number of horses news during a race. It looked at me like maybe they were reacting to that. I will but I thought well. I don't know but it's just you know dismissing listening it or waiting for an accident to happen. I went down to the jockey's room the next day and I talked to like ten jockeys and I said are you having any kind of problems. You know turning for home. and I didn't say why because I wanted to know if they would say you know what. I think that Farris we lipid. If it's going you know so I I I didn't put my hand. I wanted to see what they would say and I'd I'd say probably half of them said you know I sure wish they could get that wheel not be running during the race and I said I will look into it and end of trying to get that stopped and I called the general manager that day and Said who is Paul George. I said Paul 'cause they're a way you you can get in contact with the general manager of the fair and set up a deal to where they're aware of running a race. They stopped that Ferris wheel and he so don't look into it and it got done. That's where I say a lot of times just being proactive. You can really help racing that way and in so what by like say if I was in New York I would be down. They're not talking to just these writers that were involved in the Gold Cup but the entire colony to they tried to let them know where you stand on what you're going to do and that at least it's a step in the right direction for consistency yeah well. We'll we'll watch and it'll be. They'll be as soon as tomorrow. They'll be opportunities undoubtedly to see if what direction things go John. Let's get a couple of minutes. Jeremy Block the follow and haven't had a chance to talk Jeremy. I want to get some thoughts from him. particularly on the three year old front but in terms of results out there particularly in California. We talked to Ganbat yesterday today. That was a lot of fun. Radio story was amazing. Phil D'Amato with a huge weekend baffled reestablishes the the dominance on the two year old front Judge Sheriff's this morning Paradise Woods that was a very important performance from her some thoughts about the weekend the first three days of racing at Santa Anita this fall. Will you mentioned the Sedillo I that's a huge story what he has done absolutely extraordinary really and much credit goes to his agent. Tom Canoes he kinda. Tell talent scouted him from northern California L. A. -FORNIA and boy have they made a splash here in southern California and boy the the future. Just couldn't look more bright for to deal with this point. you mentioned Paradise Woods. I'VE GOTTA say Steve. I don't know there's another female thoroughbred that I've ever seen during my lifetime named but is this talented but as inconsistent as paradigm would kids 'cause one minute. She looks like she's unbeatable and the next minute you can't find her with a search word. I mean she is so up and down and for two of the best trainers of my lifetime in Richard Mandella John Sheriffs and by the way I just absolutely loved your interview with Sheriff's Today. He is so smart. He's such a sharp individual so laid back but he he's kind of deceptive that way and they're. I don't know if ever enjoyed any more talking to a trainer in mind light than John. Sheriff suggest quiet mornings or just when we've ever had conversations in a way he's reminded me of another trainer. I think there are a lot of similarities that trained in southern California in the early nineteen eighties trainer by the name of John Gosden very similar very smart people and bear outstanding horseman and of course Gosden this weekend will I'll be trying to make history with a naval going for an unprecedented third arc and so I'm really excited about that by the way one other thing in your conversation with sheriffs he was talking about what of his horses and he had mentioned the height of being fifteen three and I had to chuckle because because it brought back some memories to me back when I was on the beat as a correspondent for the racing format tracks in the Pacific northwest but I was very uh student of confirmation horses physicality Charles Hatton to the racing format really inspired that in me and in fact I got the the state canarian many mornings. We got a tape measure. We actually measured a lot of steak sources in the Pacific northwest as Dr Manny Gilman India with the horses of New York those measurements that would go in the American racing manual but I would ask a lot of trainers gee. How how how tall all do you think so and so is and I knew I was dealing with? Maybe not the top trainers that we have in the game when sometimes the trainer would say you know the sources. I'm very tall. I'd say maybe fifteen four that I'd built. I'd be thinking fifteen four. There is no fifteen for your sixteen when you're so that was just it. Kinda surprised me how many times that I would run into these trainers. Oh I'd say he's sitting four. I have to say when I ended up in southern California and was talking to the trainers. I never did get any of these guys at saying they need to Hollywood park or del Mar or even electrified said. How do you think that horses I. I never did get any fifteen fours now. John a couple of thoughts here beyond the on the philly she was terrific. we talked to fill. D'Amato and went through his three winters pee wee reese and Murtha and of course Cleopatra's strike in the John Henry that ran down his own his own acclimate who did figure to loose out up front. I thought I thought it was nice to get a couple of new fairly new faces in Mirth and Cleopatra Actress Strike into the winners circle. We'll hammer. Lee Arctic mentioned on your show are male turf ranks ranks here in southern California this year not the strongest we've ever seen to say the least which is one of the reasons. I mean Cleopatra Strict seven to two on the morning line. I thought the sources coming in and good form a lot of times the D'Amato horses get bad and I was really shocked when the price was nine to one on this horse so so and it's funny as morning I'm maker if I make a horse eight or ten to one and they get back down to seventy two. You'd think I'd killed somebody's mother or something I've been. I mean the way you get the negative reaction to something like that but if you make a horse seven to two and they go up at nine to one you you basically hear crickets it gets you don't hear very much on that side of the fence which is just kinda the nature of of things these days so much negativity around but I also thought it a very impressive to Euro philly win this Donovan I mean this uncle. Philly could be anything for Simon Callaghan a hand and they're thinking Breeders Cup with her and boy. I don't blame him. Because that's pretty there's no real slam dunks in that division at this point point even though she'd go in with only the one sprint race under her belt that was an eye popping performance there and then. Kellyanne came back with great power this blame Colt and I I think he looks like he's very good to he defeated under code and who is I think a very nice sorted himself and Bamford had a couple couple in there so this great power is really want to watch going forward and then you know Mongolian Room. I had mentioned earlier this year to you. You backed after the Pacific classic. I said Gee you know this is a pretty good accomplishment for this of high tail to finish third in the Santa Anita Handicap and third in the Pacific classic. So now you can say sinister Sandinista handicapped during the Pacific classic. Andy won the awesome again with that that one ten buyers so really just a great training job by Ganbat and you know this is a son of a breeders cup winner in an historic meters. I kept winner at that. High Tail won the very first Breeder's cup juvenile sprint there were only two of them and that was d Wayne Lukas and that high i Taylor became the first maiden to ever win Breeders Cup race absolutely it's it's a big you know it's interesting story. I The the High Tail for Horse Wind at and competed these distances. I thought I made it clear that I liked him. When he came to New York work I thought he would I thought he would absolutely love a tighter surface as opposed to what he'd been running over at del Mar and it was interesting to GATT A- actually address that said the opposite that was really true that that he'd likes a deep kind of Beechy surface so Mongolian groom. We'll see see where that story goes and I'm glad you mentioned don't allow Jay we'd we'd heard from Saima Kellyanne about you know earlier in the a year and and absolutely looked spectacular got ninety plus buyer for the effort so I want you to think a horse. I really keep an eye on the Breeders Cup classic coming out of the awesome. Again is higher power because I think that's stumbling at the start Kinda. It's a room right off his game right there. I that Pacific classic I would not be surprised higher power kind of rebounds rebounds off of that awesome again and runs a very big race in the Breeders Cup classic. I I kind of getting the feeling about that and I know Pratt was not in in any way shape or form dismayed by the performance by higher power in the awesome again in the context of all happened in that race so it's not like he stunk up the joint he got a ninety nine buyer out of that so he almost got a triple digit anyway but the mile and a quarter I think is a big key for him getting back to that mile and a quarter and he was in the Gold Cup earlier this year and that's the thing that I think Vino Rosso I mentioned to you. He was the one when I was kind of excited about. I thought he was very intriguing for the Jockey Club Gold Cup and look. He ran a heck of a race there and he is. I think really coming coming to hand here as curling and that's one of those things I always have started to look for with these Carlin's 'cause they often really do get better as they get get older and he's got that that Milena quarter to me. That is a big key. You know people make such a big deal out of the my own a quarter for the Kentucky Attack Derby and they don't make as big a deal about it. you know in these other races. It's still a big deal. Who is a true my own. A quarter horse is very very very important yeah and the fact that he came out there and one over the surface that part of that absolutely figures and he'll get his chance for redemption and I I'll be very intrigued to see where he stacks up on the betting front front John. We got a big weekend coming so we'll watch for the draw tomorrow the Sprint Championship and of course he got the chance a lot out there and everybody waiting for Omaha Maha beach to run back. We'll have the city of hope and the L. A. Woman as well and more We'll talk to you next week. While Man Omaha beach workout the other day today was to me of the hundreds of videos of workouts. I've looked at this year. If I were to rank them. That would be number one. I that was the most impressive workout I've seen by any horse on video this year now chance a lot came back with a very sharp drill here a couple of days after that. It's GonNa be extremely tough because he's got the racing you know he's been racing and he won twenty one buyer all you how tough he can be but Omaha Beach is that work was just absolutely to me breath taking what he did in that work so at least to me. That was a real a huge sign that Omaha beach at least is definitely back now and he is an exciting cold. I really felt he had a shot and maybe even be the triple crown winner this year. I thought he was that talented and that game he had a good combination of talent plus gayness going in. I thought that the Kentucky Derby and based on what happened in the Kentucky Derby look. I think it was kind of right there if the if the Omaha heartbeats that I think he is able to participate but that's all you know speculation but as I say with isn't speculation to me is how outstanding workout was the other day. It was just like I say it was the best workout video. I personally have seen this year. He'll have his hands full with with Janssen Doghouse who else definitely I mean look. I've already pretty much decided. I don't see how I could possibly make Omaha beach favored over Chatelet so I'm not gentlemen that'll be the favourite he he should win quite honestly but I'll tell you one thing don't underestimate the talent of this. Omaha beach and don't forget what happened when they shirt and I'm up for seven furlongs on that sloppy track 'cause I thought until then he was Kinda wanted these professional maidens that you know he didn't really want to win too much and that was the light switch race that day right there where he took his game to a higher level at what he did subsequent to that maiden win verified what I felt out of the maiden winter so so I mean he is to be the real deal but as you point out I mean chance a lot is just he's you know he's GonNa be pounded in the wagering it should be and he's GonNa be extremely you know tough to beat to say the least so but I'm very excited just to get on the beach back back on the stage wjr well. We'll look forward to we'll talk next week. Jeremy Plot is with us to and we'll talk to Jeremy to the top of the hour and Jeremy Good Morning. I've been trying trying to slip in here. I don't know the last three four five weeks our you know. Maybe he's not there. There is Jeremy Good Morning. I thought I say goodbye John. Five minutes ago but no avail how you been. I tried to get to you as the start of the the night school fall season got started. How is the rest of your summer. Since we spoke last or good we had a kitchen renovation so places ripped up and contractors and banking lying in here but the catchment circling and finish down. It's quite enough to get in a show with you and enjoy visit so all is well here and the Tuesday before opening day keenum which means I'm hitting refresh a hundred times a minute looking for that overnight for opening day Friday keeneland so rock going on a lot of fun stuff. We started the express that I call podcast act last week with Jeff Siegel and we'll put that out each Thursday here to four and a lot of fun stuff happening. It's that time of year we make. Davis and fall and these breeder sufferers last week certainly didn't disappoint me. Get another week of them coming up. Well tell everybody I'm glad you mentioned the keeneland because the the work that you do is really exceptional. What are the options and also of course source player now you'll have plenty of keeneland coverage. Tell everybody everybody what you got. The twenty third meet going back to fall two thousand eight and I've worked with Caitlin so I'm very proud of that association and well the pick for the king of website and handicappers consensus and then in the experts elections part of the website which I'm told is one of the most popular Web parts of the Cayman Website which is really flattering to hear that from the tech folks there that a lot of folks new checkout selections and the and the Stack and the trends that we've put out there so every day the stats and transfer every race at galen as we have for the last US twenty two plus meats and you can go to the experts elections page CAITLYN DOT COM and get fat. Kate and brain are and I will do daily podcast instead of doing thirty minute preview we started started in the spring breaking it up to each individual rates though if you join us in the fourth race you just kind of jump in and listen to pour through the rest of the card that sort of thing so we do ten an individual race podcasts race card one for each on the card you can pick those up the racing page at Kaylynn also follows spreaker the twitter handles at Bet Keeneland Elon is a great place to pick up that information and Keelan racing as well as horse player now so kate tonight will preview every race in the make the preview podcast we'll have the status and trends the top three picks in each race in the consensus grid on the TV graphics as well. You know when you watch the simulcast Caitlyn they also repositioned the picks there so a lot going on the handicap the keeneland cards and you know I just love it because there is something about a start and an end something that for me personally and maybe there are other capper's horse players in this in the same boat to know that there's a start and an end to something is really intriguing digging in something that you want to attack. It doesn't have this never ending flow to it. You know your professional horse players and the people who are in it for the grind the percentage and the rebate and all all that they tell you there's no there's no win. I today's the same as the wax tomorrow. You know all that kind of stuff but you know you can just look on line up and say I've got seventeen days as the fall. I'M GONNA get after it. You're even GONNA get worn out after four weeks a handicap and intensely but I love it. It's one of those kind of things that puts a bounce in your step and lead you right into ended a breeder stuff so it's a fun time of year. Knock over college. Football is going well so for me my two passions in life outside of my family college football and horse racing. It doesn't get much better the month of October well give us some thoughts to in advance here of the next big weekend of BBC preps and as you mentioned an Andy also darling referred to the the early. PP's the early overnight that'll be out literally any minute from keeneland but what did you think of going back to the Pennsylvania Derby. Actually where's where's our three year old group uh in your mind with code of honor having run and having been elevated and even if you got beat on the square by Vino Ross oh it wouldn't have taken away from you know from his luster pointed a year give us your overview. Jeremy as we kind of ver- fill in the blanks on the Fields Burgess Cup well for three year old picture it really all comes down to what you make of the result and the Kentucky Derby right I mean if you put it in a racer to it and treat maximum security like he was a seventeenth place finisher where he was placed then the three-year-old title. I think clearly goes the code honor now. I mean you can't or you that the two races he put together the travelers and beating older horses in the Jockey Club Gold Cup doesn't trump victories in the Florida derby in the hassle. I think travers has for about equal and that when you look Florida Derby compared straight up with the Jockey Club Gold Cup. You have to say the older horses this is the edge and of course you had the own the board finish from code of honor and the Kentucky Derby but if you think that he result under the wire the Kentucky Derby was more victims of the year and the horses that we're discussing then you're looking at Tribeca for maximum security that nobody can talk when you look at the Florida Derby Kentucky being hassle. He's got three majors in there. so that really it comes down to your interpretation of horses resume based on the official placing or what happened on the race track. I couldn't argue with somebody who went either direction on it. Now you know with the way the result turned out in the Oscar Gold Cup. I thought code of honor ran well enough that if you wanted to make him the champion three year old I have no argument with that but if you go back to maximum security I wouldn't argue with that either to worship well some of the other performances and folding Mackenzie Chasing Home Mongolian groom. I don't think you know Baffert was disappointed but I think when you look back and you see the Kinda a kind of fake Mongolian group and he and McKinsey posted Mackenzie got a one zero eight out of that runner up performance they they we both ran ran well. What does it do to our classic picture of a classic. Is You know not what we're used to seeing in the last several years you know we've had it's a really good the older horses that have kind of stepped up into division of been pretty solid favorites. I mean you know four straight. Classic winners have been five to two or less than the toll Ford and that's the longest stretch we've ever seen in the Breeders Cup classic abortions that shorten price and go you ever saw three straight horses that kind of low price in single digits just win the Breeders Cup that was eighty seven to eighty nine so like the Kentucky Derby where the favorites are rolling and dominating the Kentucky Derby last couple years. We're also seeing the dominance of favorites in the Breeders Cup. Classic look never been seen in the thirty five years of that race but this year has that kind of feel of WHO's going to be the favourite first off you know and then secondly why can't shop for price in this bridges stuff classic group. I think we're GONNA end up with some Hodgepodge Morse's kind of could it be back in real back in the days on the Breeders Cup of Seven and eight races total. You didn't have so many of those intermingling division. I think you'RE GONNA get a couple of these courses that show up in the classic that may play late somewhere else most years but in this year's Breeder's cup you could have. Let's say a late you could have. You know why not totally. I put that on twitter a couple of days ago. We've so you know the the best miler he won. The best rates in America this year at a mile. Is this the year that somebody like that says why not go the big price and the big person the Breeders Leaders Cup you know there's maybe her for or something like that. Certainly the Europeans Orly Amir so you guys were talking about that that you know maybe a surfer to from Europe but nobody there like name wise is necessarily standing up as a horse who would be the one from Europe to come over and and win in America but hey it's Santa Anita. Europeans have done well on the main tracking the classic so maybe somebody who's off. Broadway in Europe can be good enough to win this year and the classic you know it's where our Kangwon we've seen taste in New York run really the wealth declaration of war. these sources have run pretty well on the main track of Santa Anita from Europe. Maybe this is a year. It just feels like kind of an oddball year. I'd be surprised is if it is like McKenzie you know rebounds and win a John. Throughout the horse from the from the Pacific classic who had higher power who didn't have the best two trips in the in the awesome again he could rebounded when it and that we give John Sadler back backwards in the classic but I I'm. I'm fishing right now Steve. I'm looking for something a little to walk the wall in the class division well that makes me think to mention that 'cause I got the email or at least I found the email yesterday. this woke up early we've got the express bet a Breeders Cup wagering guide and it'll have all the races covered plus added bonus coverage Eddie Olczyk and Brent musburger johnny a I'm doing the classic for about. I don't know maybe the fourth year in a row fifth year in Arro- and it's always it's always one of the vote for me. You know you were card to try to give people ammunition going into all of these races and the Friday the Friday before we should be ready to introduce right so two weeks from Oh my God two weeks three weeks from Friday. Yeah the express way your guys always out two weeks before the Breeders Cup and we get the pre entries were able to digest things during that week and then during when Reader's cup week we'll be able to update and come in with some updated news and selections my contribution to it. I'm looking right now to sack seventeen pages of stats. That's in transit. I've put together on final proof in those and getting those ready for the layout folks now production on that guy starts this week and again in the next couple of weeks they handicappers will come midfielder fourteen handicappers for the fourteen different races and we've got any oh and Brent Musburger. The also eligible list is well hair analysis that will chime in on the additional classic coverage so sixteen handicapper over the fourteen divisions a lot of really good information that and it's the price that's right. It's free just go to express DOT COM and download it and we'd love to see as a wager customer there as well but certainly a lot going on and the content section express that and I'm really happy to contribute to that again. Japanized happen is podcasts on Thursday expressed that I call and the wager guide coming up a lot of really good stuff and content there that you can check out well the night school ah segments and I see that a pick six conversation tonight right Warren kind of picked it years ago and ninth goal that was before with the advent of this Rainbow Jackpot Single Solo ticket pick six so the conversation changes up a little bit and some approaches that and certainly one of the suggestions we have in the nightclub. You'll hear tonight is trying to get in a day or two before those mandatory a updates because that's a lot of time where she and those things knocked out just like we saw last week soumillion winter down at Gulfstream Park took it out a couple of days before the mandatory pay off the pictures of different than it used to be very much coach. We talked yesterday in fact with Johnny and some very very different. Take down this. This was very unusual the way the way it happened the anatomy of it was not it wasn't like Dan Boris allows take down the typical the typical early take breakdown that happens before the distribution where you get you know some thirty thirty and forty dollar horses. This was really a surprise somebody and the ticket was ticket was a sizable ticket but not the not not not insane ticket so Jeremy I appreciate she ate this and I'm glad to connect and we'll touch base as we lead into Breeders Cup countdown to the Cup all right Dennis this morning so this was the best part in my day by a mile. I love it. I love it. Jerry Block everybody horse player now on twitter and of course Brian W Spencer and the whole team that just invaluable and all of the night school archives are there for you to pick and choose and Peru's to learn. We'll the call it a we'll call it. Tuesday look forward to those Keelan. PP's that'll be out early this afternoon back tomorrow. Wednesday get together sit Fernando and much much more. Thanks everybody talking in the morning.

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In just a few minutes also a number of guests will be dropping by including booger McFarland. Former Lsu all American played in the NFL and of course was on Monday night football. Last year Matt Berry who one of the voices of college football at ESPN will also come by and certainly yesterday leading into today who have been a very busy time in college athletics is People have reacted to the two stories I mentioned a minute ago the Stanford Story. As well as the Ivy League story. WHY DOES HE IVY League story getting so much attention? Is it just because it's on the East Coast and a lot of Ivy League influencers in the national media possibly you know they're. They're also a lot of other reasons for that and. There's also been some interesting reaction late last night. Commissioner Sankey on Freddie and Fitz Simons on. ESPN radio had this to say. I want to be optimistic, but the reality is publicly. We have to discipline ourselves. To remain healthy as a culture. And that relates to some of the behaviors. We've seen that have caused the spread to accelerate and I've been optimistic, but I'm prepared that that optimism is not reality, and I'm concerned about is that reality has been changing and has caused me to not be optimistic as I may have been thirty days ago, but throughout it all we've been prayer preparing and planning and and thinking about what pivots, we may have to make, and those are the important decisions over the next. You know three four five weeks that are gonNA. Be in front of US giving what's happening. In the public health, though so if you've got four or five reasons why you have to stop. Or those four or five reasons still going to be there come February or March when you contemplate the start of spring football. And and what not heard clarity that? Oh No, you know. These circumstances will be very different. And No, that's the answer. That's the information that's really needed to inform that decision. You know possibly could that ever happened? I never be the one to say no, but you have to think about the evaluation points that lead you in that direction, and will you have substantially different information than an informed that decision making? Six months from now. Greg Sankey on ESPN radio last night so I'm going to hold off on my opinion on this. Because if you've watched ESPN's and six seven o'clock this morning, you perhaps seen. That reaction by me. I'm most interested in your reaction. You heard what he said there. I'll try not to couch it any way other than get your reaction to what he said because I thought that was. A Different Greg Sankey then you've heard here almost weekly. Since March Eleventh What do you think he meant? or was it self explanatory I mean that was a really interesting comment. I thought there. And, we'll spend some time getting your reaction. Because he is the Commissioner of the SEC. He's arguably the most influential voice. In College Athletics. He commands the most important conference. In College Athletics. He certainly didn't sound. Enthusiastic about spring, but why should he? The fall is when everything happens. In the SEC. The key words I thought there and and again I. Don't want to answer your questions, but. We would like to hear from you and you want to give us a call. We'll take your calls immediately at eight five five. Two four two. Seven two, eight five. Thought the keyword. Prepared? He is prepared that optimism is not reality. What does that mean? You talked about the the Ivy League decision. Saying that was not an inflection point for decision making. And then he went on to say. Now. When you look at what is happening? Those are the real inflection points for us. I want to be optimistic. But the reality is publicly we have to discipline selves. To remain healthy as a culture. In that relates to some of the behaviors we've seen. That have caused the spread to accelerate. I've been optimistic. But I'm prepared that optimism. Is Not reality. He, said a great deal there. And we will get your reaction to that. In a moment at eight, five, five, two, four, two, seven, two, eight, five, the other part of this was the Ivy League that said all this into Space Robin Harris. She is the executive director of the Ivy League I. Guess That's tantamount to being the commissioner I guess. She joined Sarah Spain on ESPN radio and had this to say. Devastated as we are for our student athletes and our coaches, it became apparent as campus policies for students, generally, and for the campuses were finalized in the past several weeks that it was not going to be possible to have athletic competition this fall, because the policies across the campuses, and they vary from campus to campus, but generally speaking, there are travel restrictions for faculty, staff and students. There's limits on who can visit campuses. WHO CAN enter campus buildings? There are social distancing requirements limits on the sizes of groups that can gather several of our campus right now have limits of twenty five as the size of groups, and then we have a number of campuses who have Leonard significantly limited the number of students who are able to come back and be in residence on campus to to dormitory, limitations and social distancing needs so when you take. Take all of that together. We just we treat our student. Athletes are students. Campus policies apply to intercollegiate athletics, and it became readily apparent that it was not feasible to be able that we weren't gonna be able to hold athletic competition this fall, and it's a sad decision. It's it's one. We didn't want to have to make, but it was very clear. It was the right decision. So that was. The head of the. Ivy League giving explanations about what and why. They are doing what they're doing. As. We're talking about that about this There has been scuttle butt all day long. About what various conferences are planning to do. And one of them, the big ten, according to Nicole our back. He's expected to announce today. They are going with conference only plan. That has been on the back burner now about bad way. That doesn't mean you'll have a season. That just means they're already putting on. A full season, so we'll talk about that. Heather dinner joining US shortly all of that coming up next. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. GEICO, you access to licensed agents twenty four seven, which means that Geico is therefore you. If only everyone was always there for you, like your mom when you fill out really really important paperwork on the first day of new job name, check birthday, social security thing. Hey, mom, what is my social security number? Mom Mom? Okay let's. Zero, zero one seven. Oh Gemini Hashtag Done Geigo always there for you with savings and twenty four seven access to licensed agents. Hello, this is your apartment. 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We're going to pause why you send. Hit the send button. Hang on, hang on, hang on a second, so multiple sources have said that the big ten is in favor. Of Fall sports playing a conference only schedule That's the news and I'm pretty sure that it'll come out later today, if not tomorrow, but I think it's going to gain traction really quickly. There was a coach's meeting. This morning. where the coaches gave input and the decision was approved by. Big Ten athletic directors and presidents I'm told it wasn't necessarily a vote. It was more a decision and I think the reasoning behind it. Paul is a greater confidence in the League's ability to trust its test is players rather as opposed to not knowing what team x is doing in terms of krona virus protocol and for testing before they get on a plane. Plane come to play team Y. in the big ten, plus it also allows them flexibility obviously, as far as pushing. The season back one of the questions that is still hanging out. There I told is whether or not they can front load to schedule with division opponents so that if the season is interrupted, they would at least have those division games played. Heather Dennis joining us with some breaking news and Heather as you well know you deal with this stuff all the time. you're talking about a lot of big games. Ohio state was to Oregon second week of the season. Michigan was Washington Notre Dame, Wisconsin. I mean they're. They're pretty big games all over the board I mean this is not a shock and I noticed some people. This sounds like wow. This is the end of the world, but I mean the bigger question remains the ultimate college football season. Does it not? Yes absolutely I mean. You know look. Nobody knows if they're going to play college, football or not and I talked to Notre. Dame Athletic Director Jacks Warwick today as well and he said that he thinks it's less likely. There's a non time star. Meanwhile, he's gotTa still prepare to play Navy right, so they're going through. All these protocol plans to actually get the Irish plane. Fly Him out to the state of Maryland, get into a hotel and go play football so They're planning to play these games and they obviously want to and intend to, but there's also a very very realistic acknowledgement. Does this might not happen at all? But if it does, they've got to have their plans in place and I. think that's what you're seeing from the big ten. Yeah, and you know certainly a new commissioner. There well respected. Kevin Warren I'm curious what you're hearing in relation to. Everyone else. there are four other power, five conferences and You would think or or or should we think they're going to go the same way? Well yes, so I think it's based on what I'm hearing I would think that the ACC would be amenable to doing this as well and if the PAC twelve does do this then I mean this is this. Is Domino effect right? Forget what the Ivy League did. This is domino effect, because if the PAC twelve does it. Notre! Dame needs to replace three games on the schedule. Stanford USC and now Wisconsin there was supposed to play them at Lambeau. So if it does go to conference only then I. Think what you see. Happen is Notre. Dame goes over. The ACC, just for the season, because they're already playing six games against them anyway and helps fill those other conference game those other league games excuse me. I can't talk those other games for Notre. Dame schedule that that they would play. They would be games and then in the SEC. That's a whole different monster. I think Greg, Sankey as powerful as he is. He's under tremendous pressure within his State. politically football. Wise you name it from athletic directors, boosters presidents to as many football games as possible. But that being said if everybody else is doing it. He's not going to have much of a choice because the pack twelve does that USC. Just can't play Alabama. No and and I mean we. We have competing universities going on I. DON'T WANNA. Call them parallel yet but you know. Heather really since last night. The conversation has intensified on the likelihood of the season and today. Nobody knows I, mean we we. We asked the questions every day, but we we also acknowledged. Nobody knows but take us through with this announcement. I'm sure every commissioner right now is huddled This story had been rumored for couple of hours I. Mean Certainly you were hearing it and everyone. is not surprised, but you know once they all start. Start making pronouncements. The the big question remains what what what? What else is on the agenda over these next few weeks? And what are the what are the five power five commissioners mark and he's watching it to what are they all watching in looking for right now? What are the leading indicators leading indicators of whether we're going to have a college football season or not well? I think the first crow itself right? You look at all the hot spots. Spots throughout the country, and you can't throw a dart without paying a power five conference school right now. One of those days Air Zona Southern California Texas Florida I mean right there. All those athletic directors and conference commissioners who have campuses in those states are watching to see what the trend is and right now it's certainly not very good, so the second thing that they're going to watch is the university presidents, and while I mentioned before the Ivy. Ivy, league isn't necessarily going to determine how the power five operates. You better believe every power. Five president cares what the president of Harvard has to say about all this, so there's certainly paying attention to the university at the university. Presidential level because of campuses aren't open. Then all bets are off for College Sports, and then I think the other thing that they're really paying close attention to is. How are the student athletes who are already on their campuses? Behaving because within the athletic facilities, there are extremely stringent protocols to help. Keep them safe, but the other twenty two hours where they're on their own. I think that's what's really unnerving. Athletic Directors and possibly causing other spikes in some of these tests because they've all been on brought back onto campus. Everybody knew there was going to be some positive tests. And now you're saying it again. Other tested again and again and well. That's because they're they're on campus. They're hanging out with each other and and things like that, so all of those factors I think will tie in to the ultimate decision, which will probably become in late July as to whether or not, this season can actually start on time. In in Heather. Day every day, but would you agree or would you not forgetting the likelihood of the season, but the season starting on time that seems to be in great jeopardy, does it not it really does. It does I mean. Like, you said we've been talking about this for a while but boom all of a sudden it's here and one of the things that came out today. Paul well as the ACC saying that it was going to postpone its Olympic sports until September one well. That's something that I think that you're going to see over the next couple of days or weeks to another snowball effect because you know I was talking with somebody at Temple. Who is in charge of the return process and she told me they were sitting. Sitting at a staff meeting and somebody said well. What about the soccer game on August thirtieth and be looked at each other? What? There's a men's soccer game on on. You know everybody's football tunnel vision. Well, hold on a minute. There's other sports that are actually starting in a few weeks and I think that you gotta put the brakes on that if you can't figure out that certainly going to take a little bit longer, and then they need some more leeway to figure out if they can do college football safely. Again. Heather Heather dench with the news on on the big ten Heather I'm I'm I'm interested in. When they make this announcement and certainly you, you've indicated you expect him to. Wait! Do you think it really means though? Are they trying to stay relevant in the in the in the moment because we all know, the questions remain about the season and why now? Why? Why? Why? Why is this decision relevant today? That's a great question and what I'd love to ask. Big Ten Commissioner Kevin Warren but my understanding, or at least my guess I should say is that it gives other conferences time to make the decision I mean think about the impact of this. You've got G. Smith yet let director at the at Ohio State. Who supposed to play Rob Mullins at Oregon who's a fellow former selection committee chair member who? Who Sat in the same room? A lot of people are friends I mean this is this is business decision. Yes, and it's in the health and safety interests of the students. Yes, but there are relationships here. These directors have to call each other and right now. The Hang I'm sorry, but you know we're not doing this, and then you have to give people time to be able to adopt to that. Okay I got I know you got other things to do, but we We appreciate your time I'm sure we will be seeing you soon. Thank you. Thank you heather dentists show with the story literally breaking as we speak that the big ten. IS THE FIRST OUT Kevin Warren the new commissioner their taking over for Jim Delany. Announcing that, not announcing, but they will announce according to her that they will play only conference games this year. Now I, I know that's a bombshell. in in one in one stage of this three ring circus, but it is really not the biggest. One of the biggest one is whether the season will ever go off and it is. It is showing you that on July ninth. All the things that we've been talking about are starting to unravel. And it's. This has been out there for a while. We've had this conversation here. No nobody should be surprised but the reality is, it is now. We are in a several phase. Conversation. This is happening now. Three weeks from now another decision we'll have to be made, and then ultimately you know whether the season begins or not We'll take a break much more to come. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. The great thing about facts they're proven. Like the fact that crude oil contains impurities. Their base oil made from natural gas is ninety nine point five percent free of impurities. And the fact that pennzoil is the first synthetic motor oil made from natural gas, not crude oil. It gives you unbeatable engine protection. The proof is in the pennzoil. Based on sequence for a where test using sap w thirty. Ask for it at Jiffy Lube. We walk into back. A lot of news were only thirty minutes into the show, Heather. Just breaking the news with us that The big ten likely to announce today the league will truncated schedule and only have conference only games, or maybe they won't truncated, but more than likely they will. What are the other Leagues WanNa do She said it domino effect everyone will likely do the same thing I mean these these commissioners remember work in concert they. They've all been meeting every every morning together on zoom. And it certainly there had been some. Rumors earlier today the tha that the big ten was going to be the first one out. and now it's a matter of follow the lead. Let's see what happens next. Let's continue with more phone calls. At Eight, five, five, two, four to seventy, eight hundred randy is in North Carolina and you're on the Air Hello Randy. Hey Paul how you doing? Hi I'm doing great. Thank you. Quick question, and there may be a plan, but I was thinking when it seems like every morning we cut the news on. It's another program that players have got more. Cova cases connect can can colleges not do what like the PGA is doing or the NBA and create a bubble for these players to keep from the spread of the virus spreading amongst the players well Notre Dame has done that they have quarantined all their players I, think another couple of schools have, but but most of not I know one school in particular that Everybody's milling around and going out and getting infected so I mean they can do whatever they want to do. but I think there's a reluctance to do that though. But as an important, it's college. Football is to everyone of. Why wouldn't they do it? Well at some point, they might have to make that decision because if they're going to have a season. And that's really the issue is not whether they played conference games or not then. They are going to have to figure out a way to contain it and you know by the way. Let's see what the NBA does. there are there. Are there on the clock right now? MLB started last night and I think I. Think the second team has already bowed out to me. These are these are these are going to be the key indicators. If if MLB excuse me a if if Major League, baseball, NBA and soccer can can do it and I think it will make it easier for everyone else I mean. The ended the NFL sitting there watching it all going. Okay have another three weeks to decide how we're going to approach it. Okay, we'll get we'll Paul appreciate what you do and I love this show man. Keep it up. Thank you very much, I'm thinking about quarantining myself to make sure that I can continue to report all the news. Hey, thanks for the call. I man who I think has been in quarantine since woodstock. How are you? I'm in and and you know what there's nothing wrong with that. Going up to the country, my buddy going home, going home town, and then we're gonNA. Take you higher. And kind of get a half. Can Get a I thought I was going the other way with anyway. You know country all. The AINU Paul. You back in the in the early sixties when Jim was a little boy. Probably seeing Jack Benny her. It's over or something because you're hypnotised. You are Mr Subliminal message when you came on this this afternoon, you said I'm going to play this and I'm GonNa let you decide. But then you pointed out every direct thing that needed to be pointed out, and then you know you make up your own opinion I. Mean I'm I'm just kind of pointing this out. These are real important. These are big. You Know Paula. Keep hearing this conversation about we need a college football czar. And I think that's fraud for a conversation is there should be? We obviously have heard from Commissioner Sankey. The The lady, if you will does the Ivy League Lady Right? Yeah whatever name was? Y- what her name was, but these very this very accomplished people and they're talking they're. They're CEO's of major corporations if you will with these conferences. And they've got. They understand what they're doing and they seem to work well together. And, they they. They seemed like they understand. They're not the typical fanatic the calls in this show. With liquor like Jim and Oh yes. Oh, I'm so competitive! Him You know then the. They seem to have it figured out there. Do you think we need a quote? Czar, when we've got these kind of intelligent people running this conference. I'm. I I. Don't think is our would work like everyone says because it's. It's a different structure than the NFL where you're dealing with a small number of people, even if you had his are a college football. You're still dealing with. Five major leagues. which consists of all over the country eighty teams? All over the country with all kinds of fan bases and has got work, and it seems to be working up until this point and I think I. Think Abso- would be foolish thing I think we've got very intelligent. Like I told you yesterday. You only man I know that this push. Mickey Mouse off the front page. You are the man you know. They're for these Mickey Mouse ears. There's going to be Mickey Mouse. I mean they're going to be. Paul Finebaum scouts out there. Is that politically correct? No but it's OK. Toke. You have a great day. You too thanks I'm in a Christian is up next. Missile Finebaum. Hey, doing a great Christian. How are you? I'm doing good I'm the one that's always calling. talked about my sports casting career, but I'm up in Alabama for the summer. How's it going? It's going pretty well. I'm still on Youtube I got a little over a hundred subscribers and but I wanted to talk today. I wanted to let you know how that was going. It's going pretty well. but I. Just think that as we get closer and closer to August and September. Paul with all not just with the news, but just like. Just in general like if you had asked me back in April or May when they first closed everything or whatever. I would have said you know what I think. It'll die off a bit I think we'll get back to normal life at some point. You know you and I honestly thought that. You know it was somewhat of a last-minute panicked canceling MLB and everything, but now I'm starting to get worried and I actually think they're gonNA. Cancel the football season, but if they do I, I've heard rumors potential spring football you. Do you think that's possible To have a spring football season. I think in a desperate. Situation! It is possible in. Wires, possible. If they were to cancel the season. You have to be able to sell something to the the public. You just can't say Let's say on August seventh. We're we're canceling the season? We'll see you next summer What you what I mean politically speaking, you would say we are going to re address and hope to get it started again in the in the spring and. so you give everybody something to look forward to as opposed to just saying. Hey, there's no football. I I I think there are a million problems with Spring Football but I'm sure they're already doing the math right now. In terms of how are they? How would they be able to? Reap some some of the some of the money back. Yeah I would I would agree with that and again you know at first one. This whole virus thing broke out. You know I kind of looked at it and I heard a lot of people say it's just blue and stuff and they cancel baseball and everything and I said. Well still have football in the fall or whatever hopefully it's gone by then hopefully it goes away in the summer, but then I hear about a second wave in the fall and it just. It just looks like it's getting worse now. They haven't officially cancelled. Really anything yet or the other than the Ivy League, but at the same time it looks like it's pretty much all in jeopardy, and I'll leave you with that and thanks for taking my call. Thank you very much It is in jeopardy But, you know I'll try to explain both sides of him. If you WANNA, flip an opinion, then yeah, it doesn't look very good. I mean who who needs me to say that. But if you're if you're the commissioner of the SEC or any other commissioner then. You have to continue to work and look and find, and and nobody wants to give up right now. I mean we haven't even had the first official practice. next next week we started getting players back in for organized practice Even if we don't have a season, you know. There's an football you know. The football coaches want to see the players, and and do what they can develop them. I. Mean this will ultimately take care of itself. I. Think it what you're seeing today. You're I. Mean It's a Oh. My goodness, big ten I mean this. I mean I. If you've listened to this show I, I don't know how anyone could missed the conversations about that possibility for. Going on weeks now, so it know we live in a man that what what a big story mentality, but but this is really not that big a story. It's just A. It's just another step. We will take a break much more to come. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. It's your home speaking and I need you to do me. A couple of favors I could get that blueberry that rolled under the fridge last week. It's throwing functions. Way Off second thing. Bundle your home and car insurance with GEICO, it's easy, and we could save money. Lastly I know you're thinking of painting the nursery back to off white, but I'm actually feeling. This baby blue didn't think it was my color, but I am pulling it off. GYCO for bundling made easy. Go to Geico, DOT com today. We welcome you back right to have all of you here. Mike is up next in the hell, am I? Listen Finebaum. How are you Sir I? Am doing great. Thank you very much. I'm glad to see that you have always been the person. That that looked at the situation for what it was had optimism. But what we're seeing now! is how leadership of this country is politicized. Just virus and this virus is GONNA cost. America football season not not which is meaningless when you're talking about a hundred and thirty, two thousand lives lost. Every other country outside of us he's doing. Content is doing testing wearing face masks contact tracing and doing warranty doing everything you need to do to get your arms wrapped around this virus, but no America. Turns it into a political football? No, Pun intended and now you brought on the seat. and. You can't. You can't one hundred we like to say. But it's a shame that. It will just done what we needed to do. We possibly could not be in the situation and the. Right now it's just sad man. Completely outside of college football. It's just sad, but his nation right now and I hope every dot is paying attention and remember this in November when it's time to vote. Thank you. So much. I forgot. There's an election coming up. Herald is up next. Hello, Hello Harold is. How's it going my friend? You know I. I just wanted to say that. Is I Love College Football? One of the Great Things About College football even though I'm a political junkie I get at the time that you get weary of the campaign until November third gets here and you have college football. Sub. Think about this. Can you see a possibility where the power five conferences? Marriage to place just conference games. But. No fans in the. Can you say that working with no fans, not social distancing, but with no fans in the study. I think it'd be difficult. Herald right now, and you know I'm I'm GONNA. Tell you straight. I'M NOT GONNA. Say we expect to have eighty thousand people I don't think. We're we're only talking about September and was swimming. We have games I don't think they'll be a fan of the stadium in the SEC. Right. So that takes care, and if the if we're still in the same situation as we are on July nine and remember Think the letter words. The only study will be the media the television networks. Be It. In and I was talking to somebody today about even the television networks, and why it's you know I, you know my schedule I go to my normal fall schedule. I go to Connecticut One night a week in New, York three nights a week and I and I was talking to somebody today, and they told me the as it stands right now. Considering where I live in the hot spots. I would have to quarantine if I go up there. So exactly Connecticut is one of the states in. North Carolina. So what? I don't know how many people are going to be anywhere this fall. Yeah, I mean obviously none of us were around in nineteen eighteen, but this is about ten incredible thing, the only good thing that I could possibly think come out of India or If you and Tim Brando Show? would. Love! That because in Tim may be listening right now. He he podcast is when he's walking in the afternoon and if he is It would be great, and you know why here I wouldn't have to talk to her. Tried you yeah, you wouldn't have the talk because it's hard to get whereas wise with Louisiana Tim, but You know hopefully. I don't know what's going to happen and We'll just unfortunately. Hopefully by August, I will know not. Do you think we'll know by August? I I. Think we'll know a lot It's possible that if things are really bad and Herald. My prediction is. They're really going to be bad. Then you could see, you could see them. You could see the powers that be say listening. We want this football season badly. We are going to wait two more weeks. I mean I. I think we could get into something like that or they could just say we're not. We're not going to do it or we are going to do it. Yeah, you have a good day. Paul Herald always great to hear from me. Let's continue with. Shane that? Shane is up next. Are You doing man? We were doing great. Thank you mark. That caller and they just called in about the. Koran does not paying. The political arm everybody's turned into a political cyber. Right and then at the at the. At the end a Remember. Oda Vote for November whatever remember did did. I'll take all the political side. I mean. I would play football. Get A go and. Everybody in place you own risk. You WanNa find a play. You don't WanNa. Come don't come. you know I think I. Think there's a chance that could be the way we do it. I mean there's a lot you can't show at the country. You just can't do it well. Let me ask you I. mean the country is not shutdown right now. I know but that caller that called in a meadow saying that we should. Shut everything down everybody. There there is a difference between shutting the country down in Shutting College football down but I hear you and I'm with you. I don't want anything to shut down, but I'm not in charge of Hey, thanks, we'll take a break mortem. GEICO knows there are many reasons why you ride from the thrill of the revving engine, pure adrenaline of flying down the highway to the confidence of knowing that Geico always has your back with twenty four seven access to clean, service but Ari. Snyder has one reason in particular. The I had extremely large upper arms. They won't even fit into most shirts. Thankfully, biking really embraced his vest culture so I feel accepted Gago motorcycle. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more.

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The Kist & Solak Show #156: Eagles Outlast Giants In OT

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I forgot the order of the intro that I've done about five hundred times. Ben I am on a rollercoaster of emotions right now I was pissed off about two hours and then the eagles comes storming back to win. Twenty three seventeen in overtime against the New York giants and a gain gain. That should never have been that close holy crap. I'm sure at some point in this podcast. We are going to be upset but right now I just can't be. I'm I'm elated that the eagles were able to pull this out at the end. So whatever that's worth we'll find out as we go along through this process but Ben. How're you doing brother? Everything is delicious. Thank you for asking ads ads. Always there was never a doubt number out. There was no fear. There was frustration. That was only calm cool and collected elected. I even remember what feels like what that what were. You would use to feel confident. Your team is going to win a football game if you did not think that Sidney Jones Josh Josh Perkins Boston Scott would be the heroes of the day you see that route from Josh forgets for guys Brady Wayne and what route running looked like Joshua Perkins. Let's talk about this thing because the eagles are down seventeen to three early in the game to open the game. Things are just brutally ugly from the Eagles. I mean number one okay. Let's start out. There's no Derek Barnett. There's no Nelson Adler alshon Jeffery. Freak goes down with a non contact injury. I think it's to his foot. Jalen mills goes down got. It looks less than one hundred percent. Greg Greg Ward is gimpy at at some point in the game in the late stages. Jj looks like he pulls a Hammy at some point lane. Johnson goes down with a high ankle sprain from what the reports are saying like the. The Eagles almost didn't have enough people to fill the offense at some point yet. They pull this off in overtime but again rough. Start to start the game before the injury started hitting. I mean you had in a a second in the long run that had grandma teeth. Peter's trying to identify neutral zone defender and catches an offside flag in unblock sack. That was all in the first drive. Second drive you get another protection breakdown with poor blocking followed by a second long run. That's get stuff we're GONNA have to talk about the Eagles Analytics Department right here later on but then a third down screen that gets you close and you can't get enough of a push on fourth down the sneak. It you turn the retro and forty three third drive you have a predetermined reach Jeffrey with one vertical route out of five which was sanders clearing from the slot. Jeffrey gets eaten up by the Andre Baker who remember in the pre game show. We talked about his struggles off coverage. But it's a press quarter. He gets to press their no separation anywhere whence throws at his feet. These first three rebe drives were abysmal. And ause. He didn't end because there was a point where the eagles had like in the middle. The game like five straight punts before they finally started putting something together. What a roller coaster Mr of a game right and I'm trying to slow myself down here so we can process all of this? But I am just jacked up man Ben. What did you see from this game that dealer's choice here offense of struggles in the first half defensive struggles in the first half on offensive struggles in the second offense of success in the second half defensive success in the second half yeah? What do you want me to talk about? Let's go with offensive success in the second half and we'll flip it over to what we saw from the defense. Sure so you have of no weapons at all you have no Alshon herbs and got her Ma Sanders Grit Ward at digital whiteside Boston. Sky's the the deck Uber. You're you're playing with is the hand you've been dealt first half and this is going to leak into the struggles thing a little bit. We're we're we're running the offense. We are running the West West Coast offense. We are spacing concepts and triangle reads. Were throwing third and five slants. alshon Jeffery throwing second down. Hey Trout's Greg Ward I allowing underneath defenders. We are doing what we've tried to do. It has not worked previously to this previous to this game and Mike it did not work. It's not working in the first half when we come out in the second half. We decide that we're simply like like I. I think the paradigm. It's important to remember that the eagles opened with a a one your drive though in for a punt and then they opened with another three yard drive that was also also upon because of the mist snap from Calcio to to Whence will we eventually see next is saying okay? We are just going to put the ball in people's hands. We are going to stop trying to throw the football down the field and it is not to say that the eagles were throwing the the field to begin with. It was already a very shallow. Offense has been for multiple weeks. But like you know this. This is not gonNA fall well and everybody's ears ears in the immediate excitement of the Monday morning or Tuesday morning drive. Excuse me but scars. Seventeen of twenty four eight yards per attempt game. Winning game tying touchdown game winning touchdown. Yeah I mean he's he's drawing swings it was. He is doing wide receiver screens. He isn't he was. He was shaky in the first half. Let's call it what it is. It was a lot of other problems going onto onto. It's not all on him but he was shaking in the first half so they like you know Carson Wentz game winning game you know. I've constantly made fun of this concept of like Carson wentz found fourth quarter. No okay game. Winning drives no comebacks. He got in this time of Psalm. Credit obviously for like the plays that he extended for the Great War touchdown. The should have been caught for you. Yeah no like some good douse got round the Great War second round the Josh Perkins I down the. He's throwing the ball down the field on target. He was hitting his guys I touchdown game time out. Great Ball get things right but this was the story of Greg War fourteen yards on a wide receiver screen green. This was Boston. Scott three separate swing passes going ape lots of smiles Sanders motioning out too wide receiver taking a flat eleven yards. That's what this was it was. Okay uh-huh enough. We're just not going to try to hit grave ward on eight yards square anymore. We're not going to try to get Zachary's open across the middle middle the field when he's getting double in the second half was getting doubled in the second half. The giants finally McFarland questionable decision in general but the shifted for the offense was simply they looked more spready than they have in a bit. I it's been what since this look more like the buffalo game than any other game and everyone praised Peterson for that game. Right and I hesitate like and even the Buffalo game to me was still pretty west coast. Oh St in terms of their starting running backs like that's what they like in their matches. Whatever this a mix the mix it a better though in that game but this was a total shift this was to me just package? Plays Wentz was constantly killing stuff at the line that we're constantly to play calls pre snap and that's what they're going to get into an advantageous play call and they're going to try to have the guys win one on one space namely Mile Sanders in Boston. Scott that's how they were GonNa be successful and they were and like you know where where they bought like Boston's gone game boss. I got it. Over a hundred scrimmage yards in the second half unbelievable whereas this Ben for thirteen weeks. Well we'll we'll okay so you like you sign you say whereas it's been right right it come on well. Typically running back targets with a depth of one yard is just not like it's not a consistent formula it really is it and the eagles got two really good. Drives out of it the touchdown drive and then the missed field goal Dr Ray but then you saw when when they came out. For the game tying touchdown drive. They were much more so back to their typical stuff. They were much more so back to high lowering going into west coast and so on and so forth because eventually it's not difficult to take that stuff away a really isn't survive pace in space in the NFL NFL caliber athletes. I think that it's not like you know. If you're throwing behind or Atalanta scrimmage on first and ten seconds and then like you're constantly going to be in trouble you're you're you're you're eventually going to be in trouble so the thing is like that worked Boston. Scott made guys missing space hard nose. Running fell for it after contact that that that was what the eagles found and they wrote it all the way to overtime and through overtime into the end zone touchdown they win but to expect that to be a winning formula every week as we've joked foul mouth sanders previously is hard and are reasonable. You need other skills. Blanchfield targets further downfield number. One I agree with you as far as that. Not being like a sustainable table in theory philosophy of the offense overall my thing is okay. Did we know we have this type of receiving back player are in space in Boston. Scott three weeks ago four weeks ago when the Jordan Howard injury happened because like you said the west coast stuff. All that stuff wasn't working. You'RE WE'RE GONNA have to find a different way. What's the difference between tw- changing a three air yard depth of target for allow these concepts versus getting it behind the line and getting these skies in space to where they can go and make plays? I think that's my major issue and it's not a big one. It's not a big bone to pick but I do think it's another example of the eagles either a not really realizing in what they have on the team. Cough Cough Eljay four or be just not incorporating them soon enough if they know they have that on the team because Boston Scott was magnificent. Tonight the guy was patient contact balance. He had some wiggle looked really really good. And as a as a receiving back like this two thousand nineteen in the NFL. This these are the traits that this this this is the Darren sproles replacement in an offense that loves Darren sproles type players so that's where I kind of struggle with that and again not a big deal but at the same time why why did it take so long and wanted to take to the second half of the Eagles to realize something that has not been working for the past three four five weeks so on and so forth. That would not work right. Well I mean. Jj makes an unbelievable all the shoulder catch down zero nine round. It's like hey what retargeted the player on the route. These good. I like what what if we use guys at what they are good at anything which right which circles you back to my Gig. The Eagles found what worked with enough time in the third quarter to pull it back but I just had a two and a half quarters to get there and in general as an offer coaching staff. We don't do that as I said the first half I think a big tweet thread almost close like scripted about the first office. I was going to send denied incentives. I didn't finish it in time for the start of the third cornell signals going to read this super long but it was basically about like the coaching staff does not adjust to the players that they have and the the market important point to that effect is the wide receivers and who was active in the fact that they're only three of them. You have three wide receivers active which is just fascinating. We stupid right. I mean just unbelievably dumb. Why why are you doing this if firstly you you can't go any further than eleven personnel? Eagles were rarely do anyway but not and if one of them goes down which giving the season you had is not unlikely. You're going to be stuck in twelve percents of the remainder of the game and one of them went down. I was on Jeffrey fairly quickly in the first core earnings anyway. Well you don't have players like mark in Michelle healthy or active. Excuse me because you are not not going to be able to play out of them. That's what you believe. You're not going to be able to get meaningful wraps out of them well market Michelle's been on this football team. He was here in the preseason. He understands the playbook playbook and you also understand his strengths. Yeah you're going to have to cater plays to market Michelle for him to be effective today. But that is an undoubtedly better alternative than running your offense which I put my massive scare quotes that kind of like nebulous idea. Running offense I e Sticking with the concepts. You've already ran doing what you think. It's GonNa work effective while putting your team at incredible risk by only activating receivers right. So that's the avenue they elect to take. Let's now mount joy. We have that little nugget right. There would rather have three acted who let us run our offense instead of having to activate a fourth that will require us to build a certain place. Our impact is that he's going to be successful because he's a limited player only knows and is only successful in these specific areas. Cool so that's there. We also have a rookie in Jesuitical whiteside. A practice watering Greg Ward who laboriously worked their way into the roster who die for every single targeted they get in the Games teams which they initially got targets showed more promising guys. We're getting targets ahead of them and much of their playing time that they did not get especially in the case of our data whiteside was a result of love. Oh He's not cross trained he doesn't know the whole offense so now again you've limited your ability to get a player on the field who who is good at certain things I think is good at one on one nine balls down the field. This is the fact that you can't like like the all wise. He's the Boston area sleigh. Insure you can say all of that. But there's nobody in the League in college football and scouting who watched it was like. This guy's bad jumbles this is. This is in arguable. So this at least when you draft and it's what you thought. He was good at This was his strength. Okay so not only. Are you limiting adding yourself. You're not getting this cow on the field. You're unable to create a niche role for him to do that. which he's got it so you're targeting him on slam out it's not like he doesn't know how to run a slant but like he messes up the slant against the seahawks whatever was lost? You went through it and it's like well yes yes it. One of the best ways to make sure this guy knows how to run a slant is to get him on the field avenue forgetting him on the field may not be charging him on slants. slants right away but also getting him down till nine ball targets because that's that which affected giving him back shoulder fables giving him the cadets catch during phase in the red zone. Doing that was good at the college level so we have practice squad that we won't call up because we won't do what they're good at. We have rookies that. We're not developing 'cause we won't do what they're good at it takes US till fourteen points down in the third quarter to say all right what we've got is to elusive running backs. Let's just get on the ball. I hesitate to say in-space because they give them all space face touches. Screens aren't really space. Such as this is not important right now. This is just moving picky anyway. Get two running backs the ball outside of the pocket with blockers in front of them and let them do our work for us. We finally got to a spot and that is i. Don't feel we finally got to a spot where we let players who are good at X. Y. Z.. Do who X Y and Z. That's how we broke outside of what was done previously. That's the offense of skin. Changes make restart that hearing what we thought was good. We started hearing. What was the plan Monday later Friday and took what was working Monday and this should not take as long nor should it be as far north of you have to beg crawl for it? CLONTZ nails go get got it. So and also by the way they were forced into a there were forced into it by necessity. Like no major rusty here so the moral of the story is the. The Eagles won the blend twenty three seventeen in overtime there in the playoff race of tie with the Dallas Cowboys for the NFC East and they need to file their offense coordinator. You you you you. You still need to make measurable changes if you're unable to make if you're unable to adjust the offense to the strength of the players. You're you you you need new offense. It's of minds as final an indisputable evidence. I would point to nick. FOLES is playoff run of two thousand seventeen if you cannot adjust your offense with the strength of the players You need a new offensive mines if you can see. We're all backup quarterback in that was the perfect example of adjusting your offensive game players that are in the system. It doesn't have have to be the quarterback it can be the other guys and it shouldn't take literally at at at one point. It was only Greg word the head to play Josh Perkins at Wide Receiver. It took him to that point to adjust the offense and look this is where we get to the downside of things with the offense. What do we really expect from them? Moving forward Nolan Johnson. Probably know alshon Jeffery Nelson. AGLA still dinged up. He's been trending in the right direction. For what feels like a month now Jordan in our shoulder injury so and so forth J. Jaws Hammy. What can this offense really do other than the stuff that they just pulled out tonight which like Bensaid and said is not sustainable? That's the downside to all of this and you also have an offense that came out with a game plan that led to three first-half points against the New York football giants so that's the downside to all of this. I do not have a great outlook on the future. And even the healthy guys Jason Computers and Isaac C Malo had a hell of a time getting on the same page in pass protection and doing their job in this game as well and keeping Carson clean that's part of it too you and if Carson Wentz is up and down for any of this stretch the offense cannot survive carson. Wentz is not playing. Well like I said. He had shaky first-half they had three points is not all on him. There are other issues is going on Carson was lights out towards the end of the game. Those those two drives that was at ten plays eight yards. If I'm not mistaken. Templates fifty eight yards to tie the game with two minutes left great on that drive great throw to urge we had rushed feet and and was able to put imperfect placement over time drivers well replacements on and so forth doing his job Ben also explained that was a lot due to scheme I mean hell they even pulled out the two thousand seventeen game against Atlanta with that Nelson Adler or miles sanders. Sanders is in the bunch. Like you said on twitter trying to act so hard that this was unwise because they had Boston Scott in a h mackey. Jackie sort of a spot in an earlier away and I was like Like they have to go out there running backs as as Bax 'cause they have absolutely no wide receiver sick and then he like when motion and try to Split Zone block from Alexander's and it went productively. Like not great and I was like. Why would they do that? And then when I saw miles sanders as h back in the bunch I was like there's no way zaps actually happening and it did and the giants hat penetration guests sanders. Zander survived which was hilarious. And like the thing is like there's being an h back is being received in the bunch and those four yards. By the line of Scrimmage Riley suspect alignment. I made a very down and I was like okay. Wonder where the ball's going But Anyway Yeah I I I there's actually there's one more know about the offensive. We should talk about which is critical and something that we've discussed before namely during the Seahawks Game Tempo again a little bit forced into it. When you only have like one player you you can send in as a sub why would you not run tempo? It's not like you're going to be subbing alive and going to different personnel. You're using six. Maybe maybe seven skill position players. Five of them are going to be on the field. There's no reason to not be in Dempo but when you're constantly doing package package plays stuff temple makes a lot of because you want as early of a look at the defensive alignment as possible with with time of Laycock is is what I'm saying. You GotTa the line with twenty seconds left we'll card against Carson the ability to get into whatever audibles. He wants to get into because he has enough time to call them. Check people move players around and then go So that that that plays nicely nicely into the package place where I've been offense. They ran is running with him bone. It was successful also the idea of getting Carson Wentz into a rhythm if wanted take five seconds to talk about Carson Wentz specifically. I was at thirty three of fifty. Three hundred. Twenty five or so yards two touchdown since two Murgatroyd remembers his rookie. Six hundred and twenty passing attempts. We were all like Oh my God God that is GonNa fall off thirty. Almost twenty five yards averaged six point five yards attempt to touch downs No Interceptions Carson arson. In the first half navigate ballgame now let alone thrown APPs that Seattle game. I said that I. I refused to to the judge quarterback faced off how he performs When six of his the ten other starters are out six of the ten starters out for Philadelphia besides Carson Wentz after Wayne Johnson went down right now no five she just five just five five at the time just fun but I feel like because there was also significant rain? I can probably count that as also being a reason to say hey not a good half for Carson integrate ward going to get over it. I'M GONNA it'll be okay And again like we can say we can say that Carson had a bad first half and then came through when he needed it and not have any long-term takeaways about united to be honest with your and the and the response to that is like well you know. Then you don't you don't get too excited about the second half if you're yeah if you're going to have exactly throwing away some of these these as these weird circumstance he's playing in the answer is yeah. That's that's what we said earlier also jolly yeah like he made insane insane plays in Matthews distributing the ball pretty early into the play I will say man. I Wish Greg Warren hat tip that. Jr Wide Side Razi Carson Carson wentz out of the pocket multiple guys making launch thing on that. I thought that was GONNA be a catch off so pissed a greg that was that was you know a classic car supply and and then generally what he did do as he played widely mistake free. Football took a couple of sacks. Were not the result of really bad pocket management from what I saw protected while being sacked. There's been accurate passes did not put the ball in intercept -able way so while not good first half and then like you know just on schedule. Second Half Jeff did nothing debilitating which Carson's bad games can be legit debilitating so they could have easily spiraled a lot more than they did in for a than fourteen points. You know what I mean so that. That's that's the eventually had their so. That's our chat about the offensive side of the ball for the eagles. And when we come back we're going to talk about the defense out of the ball may be some major takeaways as well. That's coming up next. You're on the kissed and so lacked. Show this episode is sponsored by Stash a smarter simpler way to start investing with sash. You can begin. Investing in in a wide array of companies and diversified funds for as little as five dollars stash offers unlimited trading with no add on trading commission. So you can invest without worrying about getting adding nickel and dimed. You can choose your own stocks and funds to build a personalized portfolio. Were let stash. 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Subscribe to the good fight and you'll get conversations with insiders analysis of breaking news and stats stats stats together. We'll survive whatever baseball can throw at us and we are back. You're on the kissed end. SOLEX show episode one five six espy nation bleeding nation. Michael Kissed here with Benjamin Sollac Ban a tale of two halfs for a defense that has been up and down in recent weeks. Obviously the Miami game was down the handsome solid solid performances. Before that at Ronald Darby had himself dog of a game. And I'm not sure what the heck was going on with Jim Schwartz. I mean brother not only dairy Slayton who we warned you about gentle listener coming going into this game as the deep threat for the New York giants and ally just chucking it up Jim Schwartz blitzing in some weird places third and thirteen for example was super weird to me when he could've just ran picket fence with some deep guys and whatnot. But then also to like the flea flicker. Have you seen the next gen dots. On the flicker boogers said. They're not gonNA come up to attack the run run Omar EPPs me out of the building man third and whatever the Safety Markus. That's when I got this fellas. I was a cry rounded ivory also got beat by believe it was slate and it was shepherd received the only one who knew what was going on my hero. Roussel Iras shaky performance at the beginning of this game. Some free yard some weird calls by by Jim Swartz but you said you specifically wanted to talk about the difference between the defense in the first half of the defense offense and then what it looked like in the second. This is like this is. This is Los Angeles Rams Game One or one. We're like Jimbo was like actually like not really it's it is but it isn't half off of it. Well here's the thing like in the rams game it was like okay. Nothing's working let's throw the kitchen sink and and try anything to confuse jared Goff takeaway. Intermediate routes ransome survive and they did in this game. It was. Okay somethings working. Let's the kitchen sink anyway and then we come back half what if we just stay info is working and see how that goes because and this is drum horn. Tuten time for Benjamin Zolak at the half. I tweeted out that if the eagles continue to drop in cover three in cover to for the rest of the game. They won't give up another point. I swear he proceeded to out for the giants twenty to nothing. Across the course of the second half and overtime why ally manning was not throwing down the field against. He didn't do it he did not do it. He didn't do it. Mike I wanna make this very clear. He didn't do it he he would he would. He would hit the top drop and check down he was not going to stay on in that pocket with the football when he did. Vinny Curry touched him like on the back and he fell over. This is this. That's exactly what we were talking about this over the last couple of years right right and like you're not going to be pushing intermediate windows against all and he was not going to be trying to throw guys open down the field against cover three. It was gonNA happen. He's GonNa Check Downforce Eagles to rally in tackle on unabashed tragic. But all of this going to say that the Eagles in in early drives were sitting in their cover. Three you know they were getting the check. Down passes to Saquon Barkley. The screen saquon Barkley their rally in tackling rallying tackling. Then you you know and around got him his first sterling shepherd you know there was a there are the third and thirteen balls on their own thirty five booger McFarland. WHO had an amazing game said that if he was Jim Schwartz he would bring pressure here and try and disrupt Eli Manning which when you're at the thirty five on a In the calculator like in the bulk it makes sense. 'cause a sack kicks you back on the field goal range. Fifty two yard Even in that weather thirteen if you know you have the drawback if you can go and get him and knocking dining range so it makes sense like by the book but when when when you're going to be so when you've been so successful in zone coverage against it incredibly incredibly tepid intimidated quarterback and you're so bad in man coverage so you're corners reliability. Just don't do it. Just don't do man coverage and then when you have multiple third and fourth down man and coverage failures this year that have given up town. Just don't do it so Jim Schwartz does it because one and it's a quick because again it's not even a route it sterling i. It's Darius late in seven yard. Slant but Dorando miss the tackle got enough juice Cisco so the touchdown so you just like this was like inevitable. If you knew this was gonNA happen. It was too stupid to not occur by The Philadelphia Eagles train ninety defense. And then when you go and you go back to the then the second touchdown again to Darius slay and fifty or fifty five yarder artor. This was I've watched coverage ten thousand times Clientele Yoyo Y.. Eagles have won one corner over to receiver stack the top of the formation there had double coverage on Daria Slayton. But both guys thought the other guy was gonna be deep completely Boston it right and it was. It was like it was like you know six. Excuse Line of Scrimmage Malcolm James Dropping back about Madison's blessing Niger. Brian was coming up. It was like I was like a like a bluff blitz. They were sending for dropping seven but like it. It was like a weird alignment. Everything Boston it if you just sat and like there are so few games the NFL so few players the NFL. You have as luxury if if you just sat in. Zones stepped up rallied and tackled. You were going to give up twenty nine yards in the second half and you know. The Eagles did On yards in the second half no reason to do anything other than Satan. You're safe zones protective downfield off coverage let at them throw six-yard comebacks come up tackle. Because even when they get the maximum they want to get the distribution. They want even when they get you. Zone coverage is far from perfect. You lie manning's GonNa Miss Sterling Shepard on breaking route. That could've easily been a first down. Twelve yard completion. Just mess him. You know he's GonNa throw behind variously on a slam on third down. She daddy messed him is back back. So you get the zones you got to do it just do it. And that's what they that's what they did in the second half and they gave up literally again twenty nine yards the second half is the second smallest amount of yardage Created in the first half of this year only the The first second half we one second half from the line me dolphins was less. You finally had just sit in cover. Three game should have been Jimbo's dream tried to do something. Different twice. gave up two touchdowns right it went back to takover three cover tail sat there survived exactly. That's exactly my point when I talk about the third and thirteen like why. Why are you blitzing this issue this this none of this is needed? You can sit back and let let the game come to you and rally up and tackle and have more advantageous angles to tackle. Because of that. So I I was super concerned with the game plan by Jim Swartz in the first half on something that seemed very very basic. You've known the guy for years. I mean ally. Manning has played what. What's what's what's the all time record now freeway manning against the Eagles I think I think it was tied before coming into this game? The Eagles are now career winners against manning. If I'm not mistaken I just don't Get Not understanding. Who ally is again? Coaching staff taking so long to adjust to very obvious realities. Okay Ben do you WanNa go to three words. Now explain yourself you. You're always trying to censor the voice of the gentle listeners. And I for disagree with you but now okay I ah. Let's name solar. Oh that's a lot of money to pay for a two legged stool. Let let me tell you A. He looked well. Let's talk about Big v O not be laughing at other teams tackle situations right now. Big The the terrible terrible terrible terrible. Oh one thing I did want to add. For the brand that lasts touchdown the game winning touchdown by the Eagles look like a blown coverage by Alex. Ogle Trie friend of the show allegations ray who had like one good tackle against like not based on like seventy eight games. Have you watched latched implausible. It's Eagles Gary East. Even though Gary's Ardian the I mean we talked about that linebacker being bad linebacking corps being bad and they were bad so I wanted into say vinny. Curry Josh Sweat both took lunch. Money from from nate solder repeatedly you got the sack sweat out a pre positive game as well. Marcus Awful May Gary the football game Nick Garrett a good football game play outside outside of getting his soul snatched from him. From more. It's going to happen. We stiff arm. That's part of pain divas. NFL Erin Donaldson. Gary and every player in between that I agree all sleep at night. May Gary listened to the podcast immediately. The Post game every single time Aw congratulations about a game jake. Elliot's perfect on the air for feels. He hasn't missed one. I've never seen these. Mrs People are trying to claim have occurred the the end of the first season of West right now. I'd doesn't look like anything to me on all Douglas and situational play calling the okay so the second drive the fourth one. QB snake lesson QB great plays every single other. QB sneak deals attempted in this game. Were at work. That one didn't as far with the call honestly might of if there was an angle that could have proven that Carson Wentz had knee down while that was out overland and overland gangs symbols our Glenn the game but it also was called fumbles so as they fumble honored there was also a fourth and three punt from. I believe the eagles forty eight late in the second which was not his typical punt decision. It ended up being you know down inside of the twenty and the eagles into an advantageous third down situation. Then they gave up a fifty five yard touchdown coverage cost. But I didn't like it but it wasn't a supergrass punt for me just in terms of what you've been able to do offensively the injuries you're dealing with and then I do find interesting that he didn't go for two when they got to down eight. I I am too you see you know okay. Okay Okay I'm GonNa take you to task for this. Because back in two thousand sixteen with nothing on the line against the Ravens you took issue with them billing for two in the same situation relation. You did very different. I'm talking about why when they made it down eight in the radio. I'm sorry I'm throwing unnecessary shade on you but I stand by it. Also also I would say there's a difference between not liking it and being surprised by it and also say I've learned a lot about duplicate versions sixteen hundred nineteen the news for three years. I've fallen Peterson. Learned a thing or two about when you over to So you're telling me that you can learn things along the way. And then maybe you'll draft Better Aka Howie Roseman. I'm sorry go ahead. That's a whole different top L. on necessary Right so I would say that I was surprised because as I think we saw with does accurate touchdown and then the others accurate down and the sprint outplay. That high grade ward opened by Anton but they did a really good job breaking up that passed which was called back to Golden Tate in the playoffs last year. A call back two. What two thousand twelve? When Nick foles completed GERMY macklin and Tampa Bay? If I'm not mistaken yeah okay schoff. But it's fine. The Eagles had some really good short yardage passing plays. They doubt up to this game in honestly like when you're only pass catching tight ends down and to the to the best passing down you yet right. That's what they're good at a good place place. They liked us so I was surprised that he can go to. I'm so it was a bit of an odd game but a team. That was reeling on a three game skid down by fourteen visual opponent they should be with his backup quarterback in at home and ugly situation. Getting booed in the rain did not give up and Peterson Persson milked a win out of a team. That was heavily undermanned that was probably very demoralizing. The locker room you wouldn't you wonder how much of that carries on moving forward. Because you know he's going to use this as a rallying lean point. I've said you needed to win this game for staying in the playoff race but also in terms of like game you can springboard off of Yep this is the potential and I hope this is not just me trying to give myself as a fan I think this is potentially a better springboard game than like a blow out because a blow is like right. We do what we were supposed to do. Uh this is like all right much season. We did not do what we were supposed to do. But we got back from it. You know what I mean like. You're GONNA punch injured. Lawyers are down seventeen to three. I agree I think it means more than a blowout. Because this whole four-game stretch that you have to win is digging yourself out of a whole of your own creating creating well correct. In overcoming a fourteen point deficit you dug out all of your own creating right and a little bit microcosm there so Jamie honestly. Do you think that the eagles is players cares that they should have blown that game out but they were heavy favorites. No they care that they came back and won the first game in the NFL game the NFL's game in the NFL again. I'm saying like it's it's it's players thinking not how the comments and I get both right so I think that yeah but like you know that emotional like building enough it it ends tomorrow year. Short week gotTa face a Washington team that was not awful against the packers and beat the panthers. They've been who better than the giants on the dolphins have been recently. And you know wh that considered you're GONNA have to deal with even further injuring even further limited offense so and so forth so good opportunity to ride it but it's not nearly enough to overcome the issues that you probably have from from scheme in an accident those perspective I have. I have no idea how this team Beats Dallas and I know Dallas has underwhelmed with what we're GONNA have from an injury perspective moving forward. It's going to take a was here. CLEON effort effort Hercules Herculean Herculean effort. Thank you thank you when you said it made me start thinking about wrong. I've been reading. Carthage must be destroyed. So O'hare cleese is a big part of that Ha- please accents Roman translation all right. Let's get to three words. Have you seen it yet. Have you seen the number of responses from now have not five hundred fifty seven as a guest five hundred and fifty five not in a Lotta not even in cog Brian at income. Brian says shouldn't take goatee. And you're right like I said for the players perspective doesn't matter to them. It's divisional win. That keeps them in the hunt if you were playing a drinking game for every time Joe. Tessa Torres said that the eagles went out there in. You are right hammer away. There are nineteen things that were awful about the broadcast and honestly like I've never been closer. Monetary left emailing ESPN. Do just like I I. I'm not much of a complaining. Customer Service out trying to complain to customer service. Yeah but I will say by far. The worst thing of the entire game was the fact that no point did Joe Tessa tour who who had mentioned the eagles winning out tending to mention what I did was just like shocking to me that we got time and in a broadcast booth. That could not stop talking about what would happen. Vehicles Win. Writing seventeen seventeen and the clock was not like and if there's a tie which in case you're wondering a tie would have been a win for Philadelphia. Because had they beaten the redskins beaten the cowboys. Beating the giants. In fifteen hundred seventeen they would have had the same ahead. Equal head to head record with the cowboys won one but they would have had a better division record because it would have been like four one and one and not foreign to the cowboys would be into that apathetic so there you go but I love the fact that that was not it was not brought up at flying around seventy seven says Carson elevates others. I feel elevator right now. What about you Ben Right? We we had a couple of elevation jokes have been here which I appreciate. Elevate is the new six more than four for the podcast probably Elissa be at. Ah Bauer ninety-one says did Carson elevate question mark which it sounds like. I don't think he did. Sounds like I think he just did did His regular job thing Boston Scott elevated mated. Ron's our way when we so you're saying that elevating is actually just doing your job to allowing other people to do to do. Their job. Seems more like everybody on. The team has a role and just of everybody does that. Roll the team's successful and no other players. WHOA WHOA partake? WHOA WHOA WHOA? Now we're going to isolate this audio because that is a spicy. Take Ben there's Tom Okay so Jovan ruin ruin at s Dakota Eagles elevated there was I can't off five hundred and fifty six is way too many. Let's talk about at the Jake Evans. ACSI says CMO lose tracking and then like the more than Sign Aga- lors that one play where were Carson in the grasp of of what he was out. Ogle trayvon on that mistaken but I personally think I think other people saw differently so I could be entirely wrong. I personally think that once was trying to dirt it at his feet but it got tipped by the linemen right in front of him. When up in the air and ISACCEA Malla had to play a little bit of basketball in sweat? That bad boy down. That was dangerous Leeann Day. I'm still not then don't yawn. It's only twelve thirty. What's wrong with you? You are what eighteen years old you should not entirely sound. Hey Hey can't say things like this because people believe you you and half of them otherwise at Land Dad on this day says Extend Boston Scott Yes right now keep him around dude keep him around this like I said this is the Darren. I'm not calling him. Darren sproles because Darren sproles Idlib Autumn. Darren sproles in the month of June so go for it. But I'm Martha there okay. So we're already there fight. We're committed now. This is Darren sproles moving forward. Keep this guy around. He fits the offense. This is exactly what you want if if they get similar type performances from Boston. Scott for the rest of the season. Who knows when Jordan Howard is going to find his missing arm if they get this from Boston? Scott moving forward you absolutely keep this guy have to no reason not to. What are you GONNA do? What what what's the alternative? The alternative is probably going to extend a Jordan Howard. No Sanders is definitely around for a long haul. It's right I mean I somehow other things can make us probably offense. I will say is that. Are we sure for Greg. Ward is better returner the Boston Scott. Because we've had greg ward back there since he got activated and I mean he's fine but like it feels like it's got better with the ball in his hands I bone to pick with at a underscore blake or it be lake game winning drive and then he continues on a game. Winning drive is in all caps. Okay he continues this in lower caps with underscores for the rest of it races. Where the heck were you the other sixty minutes Hashtag I followed the rules fell as no you did not live live not I will not be reading than not? I refuse to response on wildly mailer at y underscore fi says wentz throw zappers in which I have not heard Zappers used to describe but I believe our fastballs before but I'm one hundred percent integrating Matt into my lexicon. Hash spread love at underscore the the problem Sidney Jones season brother as I've often I've said this many times. which if you go back and listen to podcasts? You'll hear me say this. In numerous times the best way to develop young corners is to bench from because there could you can even get through it. It is amazing wanting me that Sidney Jones came in code off the BANJOS corner. Sex Corner. Six you didn't have time to think I honestly think that's part of it. He did not have time to think well ashore but also like that was not like a pass break up. That was a great program really good senior city justice in that context all like the again. The book says when the new corner comes into the football game takaful Rohit Avenue Corner and that's not only an old narrative but also a true narrative that's backed up by analytics. Yeah which is very rare Minded the head right. Mike Liska at Mike Liska. So if I'm getting your name wrong butts for which is which is one of the best variations on in buffer Blanco. Heard in a while on not take anyway anything away from you might years always good but bus for injuries is a funny one. Yeah the eagles went down like flies. I mean like that's that's GonNa be a big part of the concerning like we're going to get off of this high from tonight and then I think that Tuesday morning realization is going and you said in holy crap harder. They're going to do this when they have so many injuries. And we don't know what the injuries are. Non Contact Foot for Al Sean. Like Land Heikal sprain. Wow He pops his achilles. I mean like that of Achilles injuries. I've seen that look like anybody Your Sean injury prone yep takes now increase in intensity your Alshon athleticism. question-mark takes skyrocket because coming back from Kelly's at thirty plus majority not a quick is a huge deal and also critically if you were going to try to offload that contract again. I don't think the eagles were going to do. But some people do if you you were gonNA try do modernizing until July until August until trading. You can't trade him in the offseason. You can't got him. He guaranteed money. And this is why I was talking about alcyone Jeffries restructure with the drafting of a JJ whiteside being one of the worst mistakes of the off season because the horizon I love the Jj pick was because you could move on from J.J. Or you can move on from Alshon in two thousand twenty. You cannot do that now. You cannot trade him. This is as a player that has a long injury history when the Eagles won the super bowl had a torn rotator cuff. The and he's been banged up all season like we talked about it last week also jeopardize a good receiver. He's a good receiver. You on your team and I agree with you. alshon Jeffery is an injury prone player they drafted his eventual replacement. They restructured him anyway. I have a huge problem with that. But that's a whole different discussion for another show than anything else that you like before we get out of here. Yeah explain to of these to me. Eh Yeah What is the WR by smart at Philly Fallacy says in Parentheses Nineteen Dash three then playoffs and then then I entered into aligns and he says seventeen DAX three then playoffs? I'm assuming seventeen three. Oh Yeah Gopher nineteen three I believe was what the eagles were down last cheer against the giants when they made their comeback started on the role for the playoffs. Seventeen to three being the giant out to the I I was thinking to myself. I was like you're not down. Nineteen hundred Houston there. Were not done. Through the Ron. It was the other giants game a high. Okay thank you that you succeed This one at Jersey Steve Kornacki says Chicken Salad Sandwich. No idea what that means. Like right off top that can not even thinking about like they they through it together and you know like made something pal like chicken salad sandwiches like you're kind of like prototypical you know. It's like whatever you have you throw together. regathered make a sandwich you know what I mean. It's very like like the scraps in the fridge. Whatever I guess I don't know but it's Goulash? Offense is is a nice episode title. I guess yes yep. That's not chicken salad sandwich. I don't know what the heck that's about. I One last question for you. Get out the I manning hall of Famer and he's GonNa the NBA career one. One six one seven as a starter which I Cuba wins or not a thing but this is the some five hundred player with two super bowls. Yes I think I honestly think two super bowls and just the volume stats that. He has accumulated over the years despite him kind of tarnishing his legacy quote unquote. Oh for three to four years like even though the defense one a lot of that and the and the and the giants had to be on the road because ally was bad at home because he didn't have the Armstrong extract arm strength even back then to be successful with all of that considered all of that improbable stuff the two Super Bowl Winston trump all in the eyes of the voters in my opinion. I think he gets in. I don't think he should but I'm nobody and I think the voters were brought him into the hall of Fame Sec. Packard's was giving quotes to in the media that he lined up at every skill position except for running back. And I'm here to tell you. Zakar has already been doing this for a while. Even if they didn't call it x he's been doing it. This is such gas from hurts. But it's fine. He scored a game tying a game winning technology. You want all right Ben. I've had enough. I'm ready to get out of here in Nashville in the immortal words of one shameless clancy of BGN BGN radio fame serves a mentioned for his three words as he said in response to the tweet. I'm back baby. Yes indeed. We are back eagles with a critical win to keep the playoffs over live. They sit at a staunch resolute unflinching six and seven on the season short week this week as we stared down. Three and ten Washington redskins another our cellar dweller for the Eagles but a game. They must win to make the weeks week. Sixteen game against the Dallas Cowboys. Count that game of course in Washington. If memory serves quick turnaround for the eagles around for us as well this all twenty two film will drop on Tuesday as it typically does so. 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Fly Eagles fly. Said twelve thousand five star reviews twelve hundred hundred twelve hundred. Did I say twelve hundred twelve hundred. I said it wrong. Twenty five star reviews means we're going to end with more five star reviews in the Eagles Eagles wide receiver core will end with total yardage. This year I want to see if that's actually true. Yep We're GONNA find out a little post game script game this is this is what me and Ben I do after the show by the way we google useless stats as they are related to the podcast. Because we are narcissist in and we like Let's say like these things you see receiving yards on. No no chance await my okay. I know at one point in this game. The Eagles wide receivers because booger booger set. It on the broadcast has the eagles wide receivers in the second. Half at one point had one catch for one yard fifty nine fifty three nine. Seventy one seventy eight and doing math ly one one three seven carry the one. Oh Dang it one two three seven one two three one to seven one two eight three right now. Eagles receivers have a total of one thousand three hundred and six receiving yards cards so with so many wide receivers hundred reviews receiving. So here's the thing with so many receivers down because jeffries down. Jj looked like. He pulled a Hammy Gregoire Gordon. Greg Ward was limping during the game. There's probably not going to be a whole lot of wide receiver production for the rest of the season. Here's what I need within the next. Let's call it a month the recipe season. I need the dental listeners. You specifically gentle listener to get to more five-star reviews than the eagles wide receivers satis at this happens but I I sure laugh my head off because that is a golden tweet about what's going on with the receiver course. So do that for us. So that's that's a little post game script we're GONNA catch. 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45:  The Dirt Show

Oregon Rooted: The Dirt Show

43:44 min | 1 year ago

45: The Dirt Show

"Welcome to Oregon rooted. I'm higher peaks Nisus Lady Sativa. You're listening to the show where we bring you. Oregon's campus culture fast in Dirk show on higher peaks Stephen Album. Everybody's garden is going well. We are on the home stretch. Yes we are. We're nearly there for all you sun grown outdoor people. We are on the last few weeks here could be too could before I I guess for some use of TV. People could be another five six actually funny enough. I had a customer asked me well. Where's all your outdoor atom like well harvest? This is mid October usually comes around November and we saw yeah and then I look at it and be like we usually don't like to sell blast doors out last year's outdoor this late in the game at the end of the year. That's going to be dry ass shit. Dude do have our dollar grams grams over here. No we don't carry dollar grams anymore. We refuse to carry that cheap of stuff in right now because it would be last year's we'd be and we won't do it. I yeah that is funny that someone ask but you gotta you gotTa understand that there probably you know maybe slightly uneducated on the season well and either way we are known as a higher a little bit higher price shop the reason why we had those cheaper ones for the short time that we did is because it was the outdoor with that was available and now it's gone so our lowest justice like six dollars a gram which that's as low as we're going to be right on so you do. You guys really sell a lot of outdoor. Wait when's groom. Yes San grown when it's at two to three dollars a gram fuck yeah we do the price point. It's all about the price. They don't give a fuck what it looks like that's too bad because because there's so much outdoor that does look good look at Benson Elvis. They have some good outdoor. That's that's usually what we try to bring in and we will buy their cheap stuff and so it's really good looking stuff like compared to what you would find a lot around Medford like it is the best looking one two dollars to three dollar gram that we we'll ever present sure I'm sure you're going to see this. We talked about it but stay fly a regional dexter out there. He was episode twenty seven and he's I believe somehow in the rack can so we're going to see his far but if you look at his g he's got some garlic apricot yes which is legend or outdoor hot and Komo cookies yeah and that's which we have had the legend on Abor Kat but is considered tree frog farms from stay flat right right which is cool. Yes so so there's a lot of good outs- outdoor sun grown cannabis. Yes there is definitely not any of them. Motel six TURPS now I can you explain what motel six TURPS is for. I think motel six a nationwide chain so people know motel six but so we have a customer customer that's a loyal customer of mine he actually he will wait around for me and he had he wanted to smell some of the strength that we had on the shelf which I won't disclose which which strain it was but we had the honour shelf for continuous amount of time and every time he attempted to smell it because it looked so good on the shelf and every detail he's like no motel six we'd and I'm like can you explain what motel six hundred smells like. He's like there's just a dark mildew smell to every ah motel six has so it's not motel eight. He's like no no no motel. It's a little classier motel six though he's like this motel six weeks you're motel six is just just just one step above the hourly rate hotels right right yeah motel six turps yeah you know they need to come up with a string called motel six. That'd be sick now so but I hope everybody is doing better than Brown on frown in their garden. I hope so too and you know for for some people you might be already starting. I know we're going to be starting the flush on the banner here in a week and a half. Maybe EPI said the first week of October that we'd be Polaner yeah and we are already have been flushing the seated out chuck chuck down chocolate dial and you can tell that one 'cause it's totally just well in elementary integra gated one in the the corner yeah. I know which one she is well. It doesn't need to be segregated but yet she is out there now. You're bullying her. She's like the she's the future she she is the wife that got grounded to the basement if you go out and put your fingers on the flower that chalk dial gase. It's the first one we've grown that has that strong a gas smell so and it is a destroyed. Don't forget it's an L. A. Confidential crossed with Chuck Loeb Yep Cross with the DJ not no crossed with a grandaddy grandaddy. That's right purple so three good crosses and that came from cloud wave originally golden beaver we have their seeds in two thousand seventeen but the ones I grew out didn't make the cut at the end this one. I just kept man. I wish oh I wish it would Iran him in seventeen nineteen all the way through because I really like the smell of it but we're going to cross this one with the Plum Berry we did grow kings cake out all the way didn't we yes and I really liked it was a beautiful flower flower and it was really nice high immersing and on their tests and yes I did like that but we that's at this point gone unless we get more genetics from them but they did allow us to do some reading on an organ blueberry and you know we got a lot of blueberry blue genetics going now. Our backyard is full of blue do but this is the first blue a lot of the blueberry that we're working with his his. Dj's in so that that profile is more of a Musky like if you really smell it. It's got this really rich berry smell so if you're not for me if you were to compare it to like Berry smells. You've got like the light berries like raspberry strawberry. You've got that kind of flavor and then you've got the other berries blackberries blackberries and so and so that's what I would describe the DJ's that musk deer deeper toned blueberries blackberries now but the organ blueberries that we're seeing with some of our genetic. It's almost like a huckleberry smell isn't it on deejays no on other blueberry. The Oregon Blueberry Organ Blueberry to me smells like blueberry muffins Seattle smell almost like huckleberry smell to me which was interesting because I've heard of those types and I've actually smelled and before but I've never grown so it's interesting to have two different kinds of quote unquote blueberry. You've got this dark kind of flavor and then there's a brighter muffin kind of a homey soul food baked goods feelings feelings so that'll be interesting having both those kind in the Novus got the blue cookies which has nothing to do with blueberry blue thing. It's just a Sinoe reginal forum Lou Cookies Yeah. It's just a it's. It's a attends to show purple and so now that we're down to the last two three four five weeks everybody like I said it's going to be looking at flush. I don't know what anybody but he also does but we just go straight all-run Kirkland harvest like a good bonemeal so which is high in phosphorus and I'll use that as the only way you finish often that you wanted to finish up the year with talking to one shot the one yeah it is a one shots more of like a it's like a top dress and it's granular granular lies but it's got microbes and it's got all organic inputs in there that's made by nectars nectar the gods which that they should have it out there at the guys to shop and it's really good stuff if anybody's never tried one shot man makes great top dress and it makes a great you know amendment as well it is granular allies but it still we'll organic and and it's got a couple of base bacillus in there but it really good stuff and it's just I I like it and I was talking to earlier today with with you about using that to finish with show because it's high in calcium and iron phosphorus and I like to pump that right at the end yeah when inorganic so you don't have to flush the same way as when you're trying to run conventional conventional conventional tend to have that metallic taste. We've you kind of experienced that now we're even take a cannabis strain or not strain but you know a product Roddick from a grower that is also synthetics and you get more of this. How I describe a metallic taste? I've been able like I've good way to explain it as I've have really started paying attention to my flavors like deep flavors not just European flavors like you can taste the difference between like like an extract extract for example. You can taste the difference between a Trimaran and a straight bud run and it's like if you really pay attention and you really know what you're tasting. You can taste the difference in that or if you know what the differences and things you can taste the difference in it for sure and then I've also noted stuff like yeah you can really taste the difference between sun grown own and indoor. You can really taste the difference between synthetics and organics but you just really got to pay attention to what you're smoking because if you do pay attention to it you can you can open up your kids know you can taste buds Netra cab noise you can open up your your taste buds though and you can get all of those different flavors and and get the full effect of him yeah and took me years but I can do it. Well and it's really important for people that are using synthetic. Eh Conventional Lines to do a good flush so straight water is obviously preferred for a couple of weeks you know Jay he gets down to zero. PPM's if he can yet which a lot of times running and cocoa he does he gets right down to zero. There's just nothing left in there and so that's great with organics is a little bit different. You really not running the saltier contents and so you don't have quite that that build up in soil and also to organics you you know there. You're not really going to get down to zero P P. You've always got this organics that are in there still still breaking down. We we still do that. Flush with a good high phosphorus that we use is the Herculean harvest and then. I can't say enough about that. I haven't said much about it this this year but we do use we used every year every saves me so many times even with my normal seeds I don't. I don't use anything I got. All of my clones from work worked to pop everything your clones from work to pop yeah like my my actual plants that I take off of the Oh you mean to route interbrew pop. Pause sorry yes to route. I'm sorry to get the roots to pop fare ago. They got up pop out but anyways so I've dipped them in there and man. I'll tell you what it's it's a big difference. Yeah I might be easy to do it but it happens overnight when I put the S. L. F. in there and so it makes it even quicker. I don't have to wait that extra week to save roots coming out shirt and keep things clean like if you're running your drain lines and stuff it keeps you know run those Renna through weekly. It keeps US clean. It's an enzymatic matic formula and so is straight up is as far as I'm concerned the only enzyme you need and you know all season. I'll run at once a week but in the final stage like especially the last two weeks I just flush with Water Nessa laugh and yeah it really does get it saves me. The big thing that I like about it is when I even think that there's a lockout going on ESA level just run that s eleven water and it'll fix that right away can't say enough about and I haven't said enough about this year so if you're if you're flushing especially with her GANNEX run that s Aleph I think you'd be really happy and you can get that across the states to as well Let's see what else I really wanted to talk about an. I know everybody's heard a lot about this but I really wanted to talk. Talk about this vape issue cartridge issues nationwide or is it just west coast right now. I thought it was nationwide though it is nationwide on this issue there's a have have you know some stuff pulled up here and I was going to redesign a couple interesting things but I think it was up to three. I think it was three deaths in this notes two deaths two it s in Oregon and then six deaths total on the west coast correct. I don't know about the West Coast. It could be just nationwide total of six. Oh come then we'll get into it right there but I like vape cartridges and I don't we don't do e cigarette styles. I just like the THC cartridges. I don't Fly by anything anything black market obviously and locally we haven't seen any problems. Have you seen any problems with the vapes anybody say anything. I've got some chest issues anything like that. No I think people might be manifesting their own issues. That could be too because we have had people like Oh. I'm not going to touch those cartridges right now because my chest is starting to hurt hurt and I think honestly it's there. There are some chest cold stuff going yeah. There's a chest cold stuff going around but yes cool for being safe life and everything else I I all you know all due respect though just watcher smoking yes no what you're smoking and well. It seems that these he's vape cartridges in e cigarette babe cartridges have become a dangerous thing and nationwide you know as far as just a few days as ago. We've seen like three hundred eighty plus confirmed six. Yes six deaths and thirty six states are affected organ didn't come up until recently and we've had up to now two deaths now and the first one you know of for sure was from a dispensary but they don't know if something was added after the date isn't that the one where they found two cartridges on him and they weren't sure if he had had more cartridges or not they they couldn't confirm the not not that I'm aware of when I read the article it just said that they had said that it was a thc cartridge body the dispensary okay and but they were not able the hospital's was not able to confirm whether or not had been adulterated in any manner not that it should have been but also to you know here's the deal it really started out in the black black-market. Basically you know originally we were hearing Dink vapes was really the bad rap the first few hundred I I was interested in finding out because you you look you see all the time especially on I. G. Dink vapes everywhere and we all know it's black market that shit I don't know of any dispenser anywhere in the United in States vapes on the shelf if they do I question it I'd be like showing me a cua but I don't know of anyone who sells it and so I looked more into it and we talked about this but Dank vapes is just listed as a packaging manufacturer as a Paki Matt packaging manufacturer. That's legal so just make packaging and so the interesting part of that is if they are part of that black market set up. I'm not saying they are by by the way this is just speculation on that part but if they were involved with black market you know it would be a good idea to be in a guys of being a packaging manufacturer right interesting part is like I said is you don't assume on the retail shelves is a licensed product on anything while with that packaging to write one. That's the deal so also Dang vapes as you know. It looks like you're buying a Gaddam add-in cookie or literally a now I would say like some fruit strips or I don't know some sort of Gumy's yeah yeah in for in for or anybody you know. Obviously we know where this kind of packaging is going. It's being marketed. Black market obviously feeds off the people that are not twenty one especially in legal states it really feeds on the young crowd and you can see how they do it with the packaging. It's all there is not one legitimate package from dig apes. It's not some fricken novelty. He rip off character talking about some dessert item that is is it's actually upsetting because of how strict are rules here are in Oregon lot of places. Don't have rules like we do know. California has no rules. They have one shop down in California that is straight up themed after Disneyland why do know in California too. They have like overnight pop shops that will operate and then shut down are operate until they get shut down or whatever yeah here in Oregon and Oregon. We're really strict on. We can't have anything that's appeasing to children. We can't have anything that's named named. After you know something that's big like gorilla glue girl Scout Cookies Candy Land anything like that we cannot have that and we have such strict rules that people will come through and check our tags even so cookies and cream. It's got to be obviously something else girl scout cookies. If it says anything that is like Samoa Cookies. It can't say straight UP SAMOA COOKIES. It has to have something that changes it from being cookies so like an exclamation point in their a three for the E. Instead you know it's got to be something else but down in in California. I've noticed very lackadaisical on what their rules are what their packaging is what they can do like. I like. I said that one place that steamed after Disneyland they have characters dressed up smoking bombs and stuff like that they got the witches that they've changed all these pictures they've made themed shirts for you know as a smoker that's cool but but at the same time that is something that would attract children younger crowds lot of that is black market and so getting back to the dengue rape apes thing because we don't see him on the shelf and because you always see him out there with cartridges and teach see being advertised being in stuff those things are obviously being made in house somewhere right a lot of people were using these cuts that are not who knows what they're using to be honest black market wise but as it kind of grew it also extended out into the e cigarettes the the vaporisers on that part of the market and then I'll also that now legal wreck market and I think what was happening as I think think that these new thicknesses are being used now and they're saying that they're like saying vitamin E. What it's done is it's basically made kind of everybody in the vate market against each each other so you hear these e cigarette people get mad saying it's Oh it's just. THC Carts black-market teeth see carts is not cigarettes and then you hear on our side we always your it's e cigarettes and it's whatever they're getting their cheap china-made e juice or whatever and then you've got the retailers who are now starting to suffer because they got obviously two cases popped up now yeah well and then we also are seeing the in Oregon they're starting to pull either cards from the shelf it retail level or people manufacturers and processors officers are stopping their lines. What was it can connoisseur can connoisseur cannabis so connoisseur cannabis? They stopped doing their line because because they were using a vitamin E. The Toko Farrell which you should know tatum acetate an acetate vitamin E acetate or something something like that he confirmed and he had talked with even el-sisi about about the fact that he didn't know if it was fully he didn't feel like it was going to be bad for you but he was giving them the warning that they had there hadn't been proper testing on it. Yeah he brought up to them that there was nothing but here's the deal in in his research he had done his own personal research and the research that is out there shows the vitamin E. in its natural form and I believe that is the Toko Farrell. I'm going to read the article clear about this bright. There's a synthetic version and a natural version and this goes hand in hand with turbines and other chemicals and compounds in nature and synthetically when you make a compound synthetically compare that to its natural form in nature so as synthetic vitamin E to natural vitamin E A synthetic vitamin E when combust it's going to have some carcinogenic or some bad compounds that result in that whereas if you vapor and I shouldn't say combust even I should say even vaporize vaporize Ed but if you vaporize the natural form k the you don't have those kind of byproducts sing with turbines you know like with the juices and stuff Jeff I watched this big documentary on it and they did these controlled studies but nothing in big volume in what they showed was that it wasn't the fact that the vaping was hurting people but it was certain flavors or better known as certain Turbans Right so surfing's were a lot worse on your lungs than other Turpin or other flavors. One of them was has menthol so menthol seemed to cause like double. I WanNa say damage it caused some changes in your lung tissue and it was twice as bad as a lot of the other flavors they tested did so just like the vitamin E. What I'm getting at is maybe vaping certain Turpin certain chemicals certain compounds is causing these byproducts of certain people right and there's an article on the share real quick? The only woman read that actually talks about that so and what's happened is these thickness have been starting to be used before going to this. What I'm sure you and I will? You'll recommend is that obviously you want to buy from retail. Yes obviously buy from retail and pay attention to what you're buying so make sure you're not buying anything with artificial turf scenes in it so and anything made they did say to really watch for the vapes e liquids and stuff like that not not use the stuff that was made in the past thirty ninety days. That's one thing that like a mega shelf life of right so that's one thing that Megan had told me because they had noticed that it was more or recent that all this stuff has been going on and so they said watch the stuff that was made within the last ninety days but when it comes to THC cartridges I would definitely make sure you stick with stuff that does not have artificial flavoring in it or artificial turf means. You'd have better luck if they repent plant derive turbines than anything because the fact that it's it's not synthetic but as soon as it becomes synthetic turbines than than you're pushing it for any sort of thinner whatever they used to put in there so I would definitely watch that I would go for like liquid live resin would be a good bet because made with butane I would go for watch for distillates Yo to make sure the turpin nowhere I know where the turbines come from in that and then besides that you know don't boy here's the deal you can always ask for. CEO as you can always find out where you got what farm it came from what processor assessor it came from and then you can also find out what you just said. Where did they add food grade Turpentine or flavoring say well? That's I'd be careful. I'd be with is sounds great even if they say pharmaceutical grade because it's a synthetic form synthetic yet so naturally derived or sometimes they derive it from the cannabis and then reintroduced it. Yes which that's a lot of the times distant a lot of companies that we'd do go with they do that. They they do a whole entire dissolute run the turbines that are pulled out they reintroduced those turbines at the end that is that is good too that is solid because that distillate that it's taken down their distilling dilling it to get that liquid and then they're just reintroducing flavor back in the they had already from it so that's what you can guarantee not with. NCO To of course it is you're just going to have the C O two flavor but it it's it will still the plant with co two in bottom line basically There's many many options to be able to get just nothing added in right nothing taken out nothing added in one hundred percent best guarantee. Buy Yourself a rosin card. If you WANNA have if you WANNA have like that just get a rousing cart pressed yeah and exactly as far as the black market. I don't know what to tell you yeah I I. There's nothing that's going to be guarant- not even guaranteed even close to safe at this point smoke at your own risk for anything at that point. Yes here's a deals I feel really bad saying that because if my only option was black market and I could get a hold of black market carbonell do but I probably honestly would probably risk it because like card so much yeah and so I'm I hope they work this out because I do like them. The convenience and a lot of people say well. They don't get you high right well yeah. It's the only doing a DAB for sure right but you know I'll tell you if you really want to get that data affect yourself to carts arts or three cars hit them at the same time that shit will knock you in the dirt right. We've hit up to five. That's fun little expensive but it does lots longer longer yeah because you're taking like a quarter of the size hit that you normally would but I I'm big on him so I I but but please be careful. If you have to do black market watch do the best you can't find out. I feel really bad that people have to deal with that Dank vape packaging bullshit you know I I'm not gonNA say names here to protect the people but yeah I know of someone who takes some cannabis and when it gets to the person it's supposed to get to that person than who I don't know takes packaging aging and does that same thing for black market and the packaging they put it in is absolutely asinine ridiculous and they even rename the product Yep and it's like you know we'll lucky you the people that get products. I I know I know it's clean you don't know it's clean right and and then this guy slaps a fricken funky character on it with some stupid oreo cookie crumble defer lube whatever bullshit and and then sells it and I I just be careful when it comes to the e cigarettes and stuff be careful which flavors get and make sure you spend the extra dollars just to get good shit. I don't buy so. I can't tell you what that is but you can't tell me there's not high quality. Maybe even American made I would imagine or something that you know and I'd stay away from any kind of odd thick anders you know and stay with natural substances. If it's synthetic I would just be careful because there's GonNa be a byproduct to it. Yeah some sort of by product. It's just is reading just glancing over what's going on out there. I mean Canada is watching what's going on but they're still making it legal but all every everything kind of leads to like just these new additives. I gotta say this this this Wisconsin. This is Wisconsin man busted for running legal vape car factory twenty year old Tyler Huff hines is accused of filling up up to fifty five thousand illegal cartridges the day that boys up baller just read an article about this one he actually they busted him. You had a Condo condo rented and they found fifteen thousand thousand empty cartridges in his condo on the floor. He's a player and it showed him and a friend and then they had into showed the the condo that they had yeah. That's all they were using it for us for manufacturing dude I bet he was responsible for about two hundred of those damn illness right and that's why he bailed he left Condo and just bailed and is this the same thing is a follow us as a Wisconsin operation that manufactured thousands of vaping cartridges a day may have been packing them with a far more. T's see oil in the packaging claimed a buddy. It's shit how high how strong were they supposed to be in if and then that much more so this explains pretty much is right up to the minute what they kind of understand about this whole vitamin E. thing vitamin E. is the common name for several similar types of oils called Toca ohka Farrell's they're commonly found in corn another vegetable oil or made synthetically from petroleum so these are often died Taylor dietary supplements obviously in food and cosmetics six from plant sources of Tokyo Farrell's chemists extract vegetable oil then separate the Tokyo Farrell's from the rest of the vegetable oil using fractionation which is is what they do distilling for stealing even concentrates yeah. It's also possible for chemicals to create Toko Farrell's without using plant matter. It's commonly synthesized in three steps APPs using toxic petroleum derived precursor chemicals man. Let me try this. trimethyl Hydro Quinn on Dan did hydrocortisone hydrocortisone is a controversial compound sold in the United States is a topical skin lightening agent is used to get rid of dark spots or discoloration. The European Union Union has banned hydrocortisone because of its potential carcinogenic effects the FDA has expressed concern over the use of the compound so far has not limited its sale in the United States inhaling hailing residual hydrocortisone aerosol from cheap vitamin E. Oil could be problematic. This goes back to what I was talking about with synthetics so vitamin E. oil ended up itself self has eight forms. There's eight forms of the Toca Farrell it's what they would call alpha-tocopherol all the way through gamma the most relevant vitamin E. compound is alpha-tocopherol alpha-tocopherol since it's the most abundant potent of the group the main difference between naturally occurring vitamin E. and synthetic vitamin ease the presence of Stereo isomers naturally occurring during vitamin E. will only contain the D isomer synthetic vitamin. E. will typically be a mix of the D. and L. D. L. Alpha-tocopherol Soroti right here were slightly different on the molecule. sounds kind of the just a bunch of chemistry words but yeah it's it's essentially a different molecule with synthetic synthetic because of what they're pulling it from the petroleum so alpha-tocopherol is different than the Toca file acetate which is what hopefully what most people are using the Acetate took. A feral Acetate is the ester form of COQ affair all took a feral acetate is more stable towards oxidation will typically have longer shelf life and this goes back to what you're talking about when it comes to you have an expiration on it says neither is okay to inhale experts say all these forms of vitamin E. oil go into creams face creams and other cosmetics as topical us in some people can cause rashes. The cosmetics industry never considered its use for inhalation at least beyond accidentally getting some lotion in here knows so it's acute inhalation. Toxicity toxicity is not known in inhaling. The oil is generally a bad idea lipids in the long or highly toxic can have been associated with lung injury for years they are most commonly seen in persons using ointments and their noses. This can lead to a condition called lapointe pneumonia all took Farrell's uniquely disrupt the function of the fluid lining of the surface of the lungs. No Vitamin E. should be regardless of its chemical structure. That's from a doctor. zealand-based pharmaceutical chemist actually drug involved Kamini oil inhalation injuries have been documented dating back to at least the year two thousand is all really interesting considering that so many people are using legally and and then this one guy says he did research and said he couldn't find anything yeah the hill obviously there's been problems said since the year two thousand so says also took Farrell Pharrell Acetate may compound problems acetate form of vitamin E. oil the Toca Farrell. OCC that said that the Song Guy The guy was warning them and letting them know that there's been studies on el-sisi says there is nothing that we can find said they were not going to stand up against it and they weren't going to deny it. Gotcha yeah interesting think I do remember yes. You're correct so took afar all Toca Farrell's adhere to your lungs liner fluid called along surfactant lung surfactant enables oxygen into transfer from air into your body. Toca Farrell served a block. The necessary gas transfer from occurring vitamin. E. Has ability to integrate on membranes by creating a coating over the pulmonary surfactant layer. It's part of a class of long chain oils that can here to clump up your long fluid man. I duNNO C. Stuff's not cool. It's like Saran wrapping the inside inside of your lungs right wow so the acetate stabilizes the fragile leipold Hydra Philip balance of this long surfactant causing collusion affecting the permeation of gases and substances in the bronchial structures and Avio only the result man your lungs again at Die Homie that damage can initiate a runaway immune system reaction resembling the Poi- pneumonia this may especially occur with high doses of Tokyo feral acetate such as isn't formulations found in vape carts cut heavily with the oil may even occur at a relatively low vaping temperature as well. That's the other thing when you're out there vape pen some of those batteries have judgments and use them because you can overheat him in there too yeah yeah and even if you're not getting some nasty ass vitamin E. Shit going. There is awesome talk society. If you get too high attempts yeah we'll start turning it into like formaldehyde and what was the other one starts with an A. not anthrax anyway. Be careful of your vape temps whether it's your rig or a pen specialty out the ability to control tropical hot. Don't go hot yeah if you're Chaz in your courts too hot too hot acetates chemical acetate ring enables it to cling even more strongly to along surfactant phenomenon acetate form. It's like Saran wrapping the inside of your lungs as highly lady Sativa put it Acetate or no acetate the long chain that vitamin E. has has in its interactions with membrane surfaces still considerable. The acetate only makes vitamin E. More Life Ilic Guys WanNa read this. He should go to legally Leeann. It's right now. It's the top of if you search vitamin E. and vague on leaflets right top and the DOT com because not everybody knows what legally is especially if you're not in Oregon so it's L. E. A. F. L. Y. Dot Com so interesting enough. You might want to hear this. The constant therapeutics of California confirmed earlier this week that the company holds a patent on the use of Alpha took feral in vape pen for medical cannabis patients. It's no wonder everything causes cancer right. Constance Finley found a constant therapeutic said she developed it in consultation tation with an oncologist and has seen it used by more than fifty five hundred sick cancer patients but mentions we do not have a single reported case of long distress says come to our attention Finley drew a clear distinction between the Alpha Toca Farrell her company uses and the took Farrell acetate found in some illicit vape cartridges bridges citing a two thousand thirteen New York Times article and one research paper showing differences in lung reaction to different tack o'farrell's Toko feral sorry Finley. You said she considers acetate unsafe to use in any vague cartridges. Yes well so there you go and even if you don't die I from using it. I imagine there's probably GonNa people there have worse reactions than they don't really know recovery. They don't know how to help you yet. It's still new be careful out there. It's especially on the black market guys. You know you're almost damn better to you know if if you can get your own concentrates extracts making yourself to to buy your own cartridges if you know if you know where they come from like by quality don't do this in Oregon. It's illegal well. We don't recommend you doing anything illegal. We don't tell you to do anything. Do what you WanNa do and intuit at your own discretion Windsor Interest I would just pick the safest option of whatever your options are go the safest route don't kill yourself with some took affair esotique quitting carts soon though I'm always got the good ones coming from you but I quit Amanita. Those things are legit. I try to bring you good ones. Uh until you're a little IFFY. Hey like. Don't Piss me off in about that. Time we got full circle farms and EMINENCE COMING UP PROBABLY GONNA release that like Wednesday probably be out Thursday morning because due Wednesday late yeah so look for that guys are awesome is one of the things I wanted to do too. I wanted to each show. I think we should because there's some really cool. I G pages out there want to give a shoutout each show to an edgy page. I the thing is really freaking cool. I know twenty. You're going to say to which one anything that's that's a good one. Yes I could we'll do to this time. How about we? We start this off with two good ones. How am I going to give me no high bullshit? These are going to be legit legit. I jeez you could check out actually damn learn something aw there saying all right so since he picked that one I got when picked so I'll go first and tell everybody what I think's cool so on this show. I think that if you look look up cannabis underscore potency underscore research cannabis potency research these guys are working with a line right now that is a buddha or excuse me big Bud Skunk Times Holy Banana and this thing is legit. This whole school looks just like a fern I mean if you WanNa look at something something new. You haven't checked these guys out. Check them out. I don't know if they have more than one strain that looks like this right now but it is straight burned out yeah. It's pretty freaking cold so check out those unique genetics connectix. I don't know what they're doing with them. I just follow because it's cool as hell and you know if you look at the pictures of the full plans it damn near looks like ferns so until they're really fully butted out. Those are legit guys good. It's I- Resin which is I R. A. Z. I. N. G. The Raza Nick Yeah something like that. Indian landrace exchanges basically what it is and it is apparently from the name Indian landrace strain. Hello Yeah these are this is the Himalayas and this guy is doing a kind of like a tour if you will laura some sort of a walkabout through the Himalayas and like through Pakistan and stuff like that and he's documenting documenting all of these females and land races and he's just spotting all these plants that are just growing naturally or doing in people's gardens and just growing out. It's amazing using it's an absolutely amazing to see the difference in the culture out here are out there in the Himalayas compared to like the states even in the legal states these people bull cannabis is just a part of life just as much as an apple Orrin a melon Adam right next door wheat. It's it's that ah it's that common every far everybody that's out rulli as farming still their farming their food. They're keeping things basically closed loop and you'll you'll see a lot of apples. Get grown there see a lot of apple trees in cannabis groups growing all around straight up everywhere you look just grown on the side of the road roads in everywhere cow pastures cows shitting all over plants and and and but there it really gives you an understanding of really were cannabis came from a where it's at you know how how you can work with it what you can do with it. I mean these landrace strains are really where it all started right and they're still out there and it's just amazing so check it out. It's really freaking cool. I'll give you a chance to actually kind of get an idea of what a real wild plant plant life right and also to the breeders out there you know if you WANNA get into a landrace a legit landrace or pheno of it. You know look through them. This is an exchange. It's an exchange and there's a seed banks that are listed too so just check it out We hope you enjoy that I I did be safe with the carts out there. You know I I sorry if it was redundant for people but we just had to cover it. It's just important of course we did as the hot topic right now to be safe and we hope you have good crops coming in. I know the crops are starting to come in so good luck. Stay away from the let the rippers get ya. Don't let the don't let it whatever bugs have been harassing you get you get that Steph dry member member and we'll go over this coming up but you're getting all the most important part of the process aing and curing drying curing we'll cover this. Everybody's covered a hundred thousand times will cover one more time because people need to know it is literally the most important too I think it makes or breaks for cannabis and well and of course this this tough you're putting in it from the beginning with the most important but honestly but to to capture your terrapins and to capture that perfect smell in flower in in just what you're looking for and bud you can grow fire that cure and dry yeah and I truly believe the difference between fire outdoor strains that have made it to the shelf and then the ones that don't I think get down to the genetic slash the cure yet because I think you can have fire ask genetics especially outdoor fuck him up and cure yep then you can have you know fire ask genetics and then do do right here with an outdoor product and come out with a really good flow right but you don't WanNa

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