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Summer of 69: The Chelsea Hotel, Ghosts of the Counterculture
"This episode features discussions of domestic violence suicide institutionalization and the death of a child listener discretion is advised especially for children under thirteen Darlene had a dizzying fear of heights. Even the thought of skyscraper was enough to dim the edges of her vision and loosen the joints internees but the desk clerk at the Chelsea Chelsea Hotel had placed on the eighth floor and had no interest in transferring her she was to rattle to protest so she slept to the elevator and held her breath on the right up each pause about like get new freefall. She left the elevator a rush of nerves hitter hard. Someone placed their hand on her shelter to steady her. Her name was Clara and she wanted to help darlene declined eight but Clara wouldn't let go her gauzy violet shirt kiss darlene skin. She gently squeezed her shelter. Cleric claim that she had the perfect cure for darlings nerves. She would take take Darlene to her sitting room. She called it a Purple Palace that cured all ills Darlene offered a tight smile and tried to walk away. This was New York after all don't make eye contact and the leave you alone Clara's grip tightened further and she forced arlene to return her gaze. Her eyes glinted. They were a brown so dark. It was almost black Darlene Disney rest a kind stranger offering to help her. She could be amenable. Distracted Looking Bohemian type bumped into the two and Darlene shook her mind free from clarice hold. She didn't didn't want to go with the strange woman. She tried to turn towards her door. Even the view out an eight storey window seemed better than Clara's beady gays Clara pleiter with words like comfort and safety fifty in a new city the world could feel so frighteningly large but womb would help at that it would shrink the entire universe down to a more manageable size Darlene opened her mouth which acquiesce but she couldn't speak there were webs in her throat. They spilled out of her mouth and long silver tendrils sticky and strong Darlene tried to scream as they began into dance and loop forming a squeaking stretching room Clara used it to drag her the rest of the way welcome to haunted places a podcast original. I'm Greg Poulsen every Thursday I take you to the scariest eerie hist most most haunted real places on her this week join me on us. Supernatural journey to the Chelsea Hotel what of New York City's most storied and tragic buildings and discover scupper Y to this day. It's this episode is part of podcasts summer of sixty nine event July twenty second through August ninth. All your favorite park has shows are teaming up to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary of a landmark summer in American history. The summer of Nineteen sixty-nine from the Manson murders to the moon landing or diving deep into the summer America hit a boiling point with twenty-three special episodes across sixteen different podcast originals. We'll be digging into the fallout of M._l._k.'s assassination a wide reaching l._S._d.. Colt and rumors of Kennedy family cover up you can find line these specials and more all in our new podcast presents feed on spotify or anywhere you listen to podcasts at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do it. We love let us know how we're doing. They reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network and if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening it really does help we also now have merchandise that are cast dot com slash merch for more Information Hotel Chelsea otherwise known as is the Chelsea Hotel or the Chelsea to its residence sits on New York City's west twenty third street between seventh and eighth avenues at the heart of the neighborhood that bears its name. The Chelsea is known for two things things it's Bohemian Clientele many of whom stayed for years and it's strange and plentiful tragedies. The historic building has become a frequent site for suicides. Thanks to its twelfth story height it but many of the deaths at the hotel have stranger origins writer Dylan. Thomas often suffered from poor health and his respiratory condition deteriorated almost immediately after checking into the Chelsea he was hospitalized after fell into a coma of the night of November fifth nineteen fifty-three he passed away four days later at the age of thirty nine but Chelsea hotels most famous casualty is Nancy. He's punching the girlfriend of SID vicious. She was found stabbed her Cathro on October twelfth nineteen seventy eight less than a year after the building had been named a New York City landmark in edifice of red brick and windows at the center of New York City's theater district in the late nineteenth century but Chelsea is two hundred fifty unit combination of Queen and Revival Victorian gothic architecture it opened in eighteen eighty four her and was the tallest building the city at that time but before the Chelsea was built at two twenty two West Twenty Third Street the address was held by the excelsior pelting during the eighteen seventies. The excelsior was a staggering size for the time period holding six floors of stores apartments furniture storage and even an armory for New York's eighth regiment this meant families and customers constantly moving in out it also met that the entire interior of the building was highly flammable. Thomas Murphy loved his job job. He took pride in forging weapons and other equipment for the Eighth Regiment of the Union army but he enjoyed his profession even more knowing that has handiwork may not ever be needed the war between the states was now thirteen years behind him but he's still relived it in his nightmares he heard shots and smell the smoke and blood as clearly as he had all those years ago more than anything the war made him value his family. Thomas never missed a meal at them and was constantly delighted by the imaginations of his children his wife Melinda said grace. I two of his four children were yawning at the table and the youngest Joseph looked Pale. He was concerned for the boy south but Melinda told him not to worry. They missed their nap today. That was all he because I think with of smoke but assumed it was just a piece of their dinner that it stuck inside the cast iron oven it would burn away with the embers. He tickled Joseph Awake and join the children to help Melinda with the after dinner chores afterwards the little ones got into their nightgowns kissed their parents good night and trundled off debate thomas watching them go reminding himself how lucky he was but the smell had not gone away in fact he could've sworn it was growing the ASS Belinda she had caught a sent to the ashes well. She wrinkled her nose. Sniffing the Air Melinda Linda left her chair and headed into the kitchen. Her eyes were wide when she returned and her voice shook with rising panic. She told Thomas they needed to leave immediately. Thomas and his family lived next door to was placed at work doc. This made it easy to come home at eight or to help. If one of the children was sick but it also met that a stockpile of ammunition was sitting on the other side of their bedroom wall it began with small pox almost imperceptible acceptable moments later Thomas heard the small wash of aflame igniting. They were out of time adrenaline surged through Thomas. He yelled to Melinda telling her to wake the children while he ran outside to raise the alarm thomas could see plumes of smoke escaping from the basement and the first floor windows near the elevator shaft. We're beginning to swell from the heat with only two hands and or small children children Melinda was going to struggle. She had to pull the kids out by her sound. He sprinted back towards the building but he slipped on the stairs. His Chin hit the edge of a stair and he could feel the skin split and he scrambled up and bolted for his family's rooms. The air was heavier. Now Thomas could feel the heat against his face. He grasped the doorknob but jerked his hand away. As the hot metal scorched gorgeous skin he yanked on his shirt's sleeve and grabbed the knob began pushing through the pain the smell of burn flesh mingled with a sense of ash and destruction he was greeted by cloud of smoke doc but no flames Thomas tried to scream from Linda and the children but he could only get off the first syllable of her name before he dissolved into costs but vic air filled his lungs making it impossible possible for him to breathe. He pulled one edge of his collar against his face but the material was too thin to be a strong barrier against the cloud of smoke. He used his free hand to feel around the space blood funded in his eardrums as frantically searched for his children he stumbled over furniture but his hands closed on nothing but empty hair amid the crackling fire and bending. Would he heard a child cry. Thomas wasn't sure if the sound was an echo of a memory or one of his children in danger but he raced towards it nonetheless his head was starting to feel heavy and is a vision seemed to close in as the smokes don his eyes and then he felt the telltale tug of a child's hand at his pant leg pulling him towards the exit still blinded by the stinging getting heat and ash he lifted the small body into his arms as if it weighed nothing and sprinted back out of the house and up the stairs Thomas legs gave out when you reach the sidewalk he cradled the child to his chest and took in deep goal of fresh air as their world burned behind he looked down at the boys still face finally able to tell that it was his son. Joseph Joseph Skin was smudged soot but Thomas could see his nostrils flaring as he breathed in the fresh air in a strangely serene slumber. Thomas breathed again a wave of of temporary relief washing over him. Thomas talked to him trying to get his son to wake but Joseph did not stir is breathing started to slow Thomas found himself shaking the boy oy suddenly Joseph's eyes bulged open and then fell from their sockets to the sidewalk melting as they went his flesh took on a model texture his skin dry. Eight like paper leaving only splinters of black terrified Thomas called for help but no one seemed to see him even as the neighbors has had begun to congregate in small groups watching their home burn he clutched Tucson again but Joseph's bones were brittle. He was not sure how long he laid on the sidewalk scooping the remnants of the boy back into his trouser pockets tears slid down his ash covered face. A small hand patted his head. Thomas turned and recoiled in shock. There was Joseph Jeff covered soot but Thomas hugged the boy tightly as explosions filled the sky despite the fire brigades best efforts the flames were growing. Thomas could feel that familiar heat against his cheeks again he took hold the Joseph's hand and instructed him to follow closely. Thomas took two steps toward the street but Joseph lingered frozen Thomas Follow Joseph's pointed thinker to the smoldering ruins of the church next door. The cathedral's brilliant white marble was slowly being covered by dark snowfall of ash and Denver's. The interior of the church was now visible along with the congregation's motto. Joseph asked his father what it said Thomas's voice shook as he read the words suffer little children to come unto mm to me. Thomas felt the small hand fall out of his he grasped at arrogant whipping around searching for a son. The street was a flurry of motion as water vainly arched up toward the towering flames he could find no sign of his missing child. Then a tiny silhouette caught design just above the word suffer Joseph wave to him sitting atop atop the marble then disappeared before it became the illustrious Chelsea hotel the same area was home to the excelsior building a complex owned by businessman James Ingersoll a member of Tammany Hall all he used the Excelsior to embezzle money that the city Treasury marked for armory funds in order to cover up there fraud tammy place the eighth regiment in two floors of the building other floors were used for storefronts on since storage. The excelsior was completed in eighteen seventy one but ingersoll through was short-lived on February first eighteen seventy eight the excelsior and to nearby churches burned burn down after a fire started in the basement the storage of weapons ammunition the armory led to a series of explosions causing over half a million dollars in property damage that would be over twelve twelve point eight million dollars in two thousand nineteen Amir six years after this tragedy the hotel Chelsea rose where the excelsior I'd wants to it. Perhaps it was this buildings destruction that laid the groundwork for Chelsea's famously sinister atmosphere some of said that the Chelsea was built on spoiled ground the address forever tainted by that consuming inferno ignited united within the excelsior that was the first documented tragedy to occur or the Chelsea now stands but it's certainly wasn't the last and as we'll soon see there are worse ways to die by then a fire hi there if you enjoy the supernatural journey to the Chelsea Hotel search haunted places on spotify and give us a follow to find more episodes <music> now back to the story of the Chelsea Hotel from it's very beginning that Chelsea was a revolutionary structure. The buildings architect checked Philip Hubert Pioneer New York's apartment coops buildings were tenants shared not just common areas but also fuel and services the first Hubert home club was founded in eighteen eighty and the open several more on the following years Hubert reserved several apartments for the laborers who had constructed the new building at two twenty two west twenty-third and the remaining ones were quickly filled in by writers musicians and actors who flocked to thriving theater district but as the new century dawned and Upper Manhattan rose the neighborhood of Chelsea fell out of favour the New York theater community moved to Times Square and the CO-OP went bankrupt in one thousand nine hundred five the Chelsea was quickly reopened as a residential hotel Mark Twain was a frequent guest along with novelist and critic William Dean Howls and socialist organizer and painter John French Sloan Sloan was one of the founders of the Ash can school of American art and frequently painted the scenes he saw outside his window at the Chelsea but not every tenant tenant was a luminary. Some were just looking to take advantage of the hotels respect for guests privacy and sometimes privacy is the worst thing for a troubled mine around the edges of it telcos reality had begun to blur ten years ago her future husband Arthur had just bought her a penthouse apartment at the hotel Chelsea he was to arrive on a passenger liner Wednesday morning April Seventeenth Nineteen twelve she could see the porch proper balcony she had wanted to sail with him but her family insisted she couldn't travel with him until they were married so she waited patiently for the R s titanic to arrive he never came her family forced her to move back downstairs with them of the fifth floor at Telka protested saying search parties hadn't found Arthur's body after the demise the supposedly unsinkable ship. Her parents told her that didn't mean that he was alive but she's still deal went every day. Walking Twenty minutes to the Bank of the Hudson she walked the key in the freezing rain and New York snow month after month year after year she was closing on ten years of waiting watching hoping with their whole body and soul sometimes when her family was sleeping big it telco could swear that she was with him aboard the ship of dreams she could feel the kiss of ice against your cheek and the warmth of Arthur beside her the salt sprays tongue their noses basis they walked the deck together the ever present <hes> of the engine mingling with their conversations but then she'd be back in her room the ice and salt and hum would disappear and and all she was left with was the widow Szwarc her parents had tried to find her another partner what she did not know how to explain that she still had won. Some part of Arthur was with her even the now she did not need another suitor or another apartment. She needed to stay here. In Casey came. She even warned the new occupant of the Penthouse that Arthur might come looking for the woman had touted they argued it tells us father got involved. It Telco was sent to a sanitarium to recuperate and return several weeks later. Her family wouldn't let her walk to the peer anymore. When they left her low? They locked her in her room. It telka snuck outer window and ought to the balcony. She couldn't see the ships but she would know when he was near and she was short. The hours ticked by and the ancient clock her grandparents had brought over from Russia when it became too cold even for her she headed inside out of the icy Atlantic win in the harsh light of day. She found herself standing. Both in the kitchen and I'm the deck of a ship. The floor was Polish so thoroughly but she could see your own reflection arthur had brought her here many times but never during the day she searched for him. Among the throng of passengers Arthur had a warm but familiar energy that that usually kept him from sticking out at a crowd so she paste the deck ducking into every group and giving them a quick look before moving on to the next there was an incessant chattering have other voices in her head but they were too loud and numerous to understand. She thought that she hurt her name but she couldn't be sure she wasn't sure of anything anymore. The minute knitted a telco looked up at the bright blue sky. It shifted to a deep navy. The temperature dropped. She shivered in her house dress. People bumped pastor other way to the other side of the deck. Check it tells US shuffled out of the way and towards the railing there was small clumps of ice floating atop the ocean they dipped in and out of the water fighting the wake of the massive ship it Telka Lca shivered watching the motion somehow it was coming if she joined the ice in the water. Maybe the uncertainty would end as the thought passed through her mind. She felt her left hand. Begin to freeze. She watched spellbound as the tips of her fingers went from a brilliant pink to a faded Blue Frost rimmed or fingernails and the sensation sation kept spreading then but paint caught up with her her hand waiter down buzzing with agony red hot and bitingly cold all at once she raced waste around the deck looking for a some sort of relief salvation came in the form of a fire axe she seated herself on the ground and raise the ax as her hand throbbed and burned she. She wasn't sure if she had the strength to enter suffering but she had to try for a moment she could hear her mother's points the ship fade and she was back in her kitchen. The acts wasn't an axe but in an instant it was gone again. Her fingers were turning black. She had to do this now or she could lose the rest of her body. The Telco took a deep breath and swan the first swing severed part of the injured hand but there were still several spots where the two were connected and the ice was creeping along them seeking out her heart wanting her to forget Arthur forget herself it telka raise the ex again and brought it Dow. It took a looked up. It should have heard but she felt free safe for the first time in years. She blinked Arthur stood by the railing. She couldn't believe it. Her legs were trembling as she stood up. She hid her mangled left wrist. Behind the folds holds have redress. She did not want Arthur to see what had become of her in his absence. He smiled at her serenely offering his elbow for her to take she declined embarrassed at what she'd done on but she's still took her place. Alongside the deck disappeared. They were in the penthouse. They were home Arthur told her not to worry all she had to do was reach out and he would bring her back to that ship of dreams and they could spend eternity together it Telka gave him her hand. They left the kitchen far behind signed and she felt her feet touched. The Polish deck wants more a wave of panic move through the few stragglers still on deck. I was starting to form on the railings. She asked Arthur where they were. You're he told her that she already knew she loved Arthur. He had been her world and everything else had fallen away in his absence but as she stood next to him in the cold and she felt the waves and poll of the darkness below. She was in his arms but she felt alone this Boston what she wanted and for the first time she sure the push the ice threw her an Arthur to the ground it token knew what came next Bohol would begin to crack. She raised towards the lifeboats but they passed through her her mother's voice culture name. This was all some terrible delusion. Her minded dreamed up to help remove on escape was possible. It telka glanced around the ship searching for something she could not name. She needed a way out but boat rocked at Telka began to slide. She gripped the railing with her remaining hand. Her right arm screamed as it took her full weight. Arthur watched her impasse. He made no attempt for survival. He was a gentleman women and children. I it Talca took a deep wrapped. She lifted herself up and over the railing but some advice were much larger now she was scared her mother called your name again. It Telco let go she should've felt the plunge of the icy water solid and shocking but she felt nothing just a slide squeak and a world and cry on March Fifth Nineteen twenty two it Telka graph breath separator left hand at the wrist then jumped from the fifth floor window of the Chelsea hotel she landed on a balcony three floors below and it was taken to Bellevue Hospital for treatment they were able to stabilize herself herself amputation but she passed away due to internal injuries of few days later. It was her second recent hospital visit she had been released from a sanitarium a few weeks prior. It telka severed severed hand was found in her bedroom. Telka graph is just one of several guests that Chelsea hotel who had severe mental illnesses and died in ways that could be accidental more intentional. No one knows why she jumped from the fifth floor or what compelled to cut off her hand before doing so. I'm clear nights. It telka floats just above her fateful window. She never for ventures further into the hotel. Occasionally guests have seen a translucent severed hand in various rooms on her side of the building. Several guests have referred to the hotel as having a black cloud it makes people feel hopeless and exacerbates the internal problems that they'd already been dealing with sid vicious describe the Chelsea as an artistic tornado death and destruction and love. You've broken dreams. It's common for the Chelsea's residents to refer to the hotel as a force of nature and many claim they could no longer be held responsible for their actions once they pass through its doors while the public will never have answers as to what happened to a telegraph or others like her one thing does remain clear something pin them to this place both seducing and and torturing them coming up. We'll see what happens when that something takes human for now back to the story the late sixties and seventies were the very height of the Chelsea's influence on both the New York art scene and art itself but Hotel Lobby held works by the Godfather of Pop Art Larry rivers and avant-garde Artists Brett Whiteley and modernised Akbar Pot himse whose contribution was sold at Sotheby's for one point four million dollars in two thousand eleven monkeys and dogs ran up and down the hotel stairs on break from being trained for the Metropolitan Operas Nineteen Sixty three production of Aida by resident Catherine Dunham the choreographer Ghafur an anthropologist regarded as the matriarch and Queen Mother of African American modern dance one could argue that the sixties and seventies were Chelsea's golden years. You're likely to run into into Janice Joplin and the elevator or betsey Johnson or Stanley kubrick Jim Morrison or Leonard Cohen Bob Dylan or Patti Smith. You might have even seen Andy Warhol and Edie Sedgwick be four. She was banned from the hotel for accidentally setting her mattress on fire while she received one of the Chelsea's rare eviction notices the rest of the residents weren't particularly phased by the fire. Most of them were awake in the middle overnight anyway so they all went downstairs to l.. Quixote the restaurant that has existed on the ground floor of the hotel since one thousand nine thirty until the firefighters finished up it was nearly impossible to rattle the residents silence of the Chelsea hotel. The police frequently rated specific apartments only for officers to show up later looking to buy we'd L._S._d.. Or something stronger but the murder of twenty year old Nancy Spungen the girlfriend of sex pistols bassist sid vicious marked turning point in the casual attitudes of the residence to see that sitted Nancy were bad for each other wasn't understatement the couple frequently spent days or even weeks abusing heroin and painkillers in their apartment. At the Chelsea number. One Hundred Nancy was confrontational and though friends described citiz- shy he demonstrated traded volatility when a Nancy's company that often let to mutual abuse sometime during the early morning hours of October Twelfth Nineteen seventy-eight Nancy was stabbed SID would call call down to the front desk at ten A._M.. Asking for help Nancy was already dead in the couple's bathroom. Many of sitting Nancy's neighbors blame themselves for not realizing that something was wrong after guest admitted admitted to hearing female moans the Night Nancy was stabbed but the noise level and even the MOANS and crying themselves weren't out of the ordinary for any night at the Chelsea similar sounds frequently had less sinister causes a bad trip and impromptu rehearsal or even strange performance art. They didn't realize that spungen was weeping because she was bleeding and her boyfriend was too high to help helper these moments that forced the artistic enclave of Chelsea to consider what the cost of art actually was. They prided themselves on being a community but community wasn't as easiest smiling in the elevator or bumming cigarette. Jason was new to the city and July of nineteen sixty nine mm-hmm but somehow as he stepped off the bus he felt right at home he had felt compelled to join the ranks of transplants in New York City ever since he had read about Ken Keesey and the Merry Pranksters road trip in sixty sixty four he had long Leib as rural mid western upbringing behind him and embrace a truly Bohemian lifestyle he wanted to follow his idols boroughs Ginsburg Cadillac. The perfect place ways to do that was that Chelsea hotel shiver ran up his spine has he entered the lobby and he found himself sitting in an armchair just to hear the residents discuss how bad Nixon was even though he's only you've been president for a few months how landing on the moon was going to end the world and how boring the place had gotten since Warhol left Jason stood just beneath the winding grand staircase with it's intricate iron embellishments catching snatches of sounds floating down from the floors above classical piano jazz trumpet and even a folk musician wailing away about Vietnam his room had a few blooming spots of mold on the walls. The water never switched from hot too cold screams shouts and singing bled through the wall every night. It wasn't the Ritz but but this was part of being an artist. Jason couldn't wait to sit down at his typewriter. The constant jam session said Ben Inspiring when he first arrived but they seem to be happening every minute of every hour of every day. Jason was convinced someone was keeping at a rang at ten in the building. Thanks to the hoots he heard in the middle of the night but the worst was the banking. Sometimes it was heavy punctuated by yelling. Sometimes it was soft almost tender before ending with a scream and a cry eventually he figured out it was the apartment to his left. He'd been just about to knock on the door to say something when he heard a cry like the world was ending then the crying became a laugh a record player kicked on and the two voices began to sing along in perfect harmony all was well until the slamming Ming began again the next night he heard something break and their record played again but down beat's punctuating every jarring back he mentioned the noise to someone in the lobby but the old timer just shook oh kiss head artists he said waving his paint covered hands but Jason couldn't let it go the Chelsea was a happening place and it was normal for residents to hang outside their rooms so we sat in his doorway with a copy of naked lunch and waited for his neighbors to emerge the man who opened the door looked like he walked out of a warhol film with long legs thick glasses causes and intentionally messy hair. He introduced himself as mark with an earnest welcoming smile after only talking with him for a few moments. You wanted to hear everything about what Jason was working on. Mark frequently held court with the other tenants in the lobby or in his apartment and Jason couldn't quite get him to answer what he actually did. For living the woman heather was much different. The sliver liver of a shadow at high noon Jason Rarely ever caught a glimpse of her and what he did. She was never what he expected. She wore different leagues and live life as though Sheron stage she was given to calling inconveniences tragedies and celebrated the smallest victory with operatic pomp and circumstance. He'd offered to carry her groceries wants. She called him a Prince Among Long Matt and recited Oscar Wilde salivate to him. When he recognized the quote she leaned in and said softly and now we're in the aren't we before crossing to her door one but when she realized they next door to each other she stopped heather held his gaze for a moment registering the secret they shared Jason wanted to ask her if he should tell but he knew the answer answer? Mark told Jason that heather had some kind of nervous condition it was why she wore wigs and rarely left the house she was afraid of people he said even when they were harmless marks Canine said practically glinted as he said the word and Jason Felt uneasy as impressed as he was by mark he had been on the other side of the wall during the fights he had heard glass breaking he'd heard the screen and the tears but nothing was worse than the silence that followed Jason would listen to the wall waiting to hear the two voices again. He was afraid that he would only here for what felt like ages he heard nothing not even the Faintest Creek of floorboard. It was like the room next door had simply stopped existing. Jason almost jumped out of his skin at the sound. Someone was at his door. He straightened himself and opened it slowly. They're stood mark with his wolf fish smile. He wanted to give Jason a formal tour of the hotel. Jason tried to decline but mark wouldn't give up. Jason told him he would meet him outside. When the other man left Jason put his ear to the wall? The room was island. They started walking down the hall together. Mark would stop in front of each store always spouting some rumor about a resident as it into it occupied the room a few years ago. Jason could almost believe that he wasn't making any of this op but marks is kept glancing back down the hall to its own apartment. Jason had been alone with Mark Arc many times before but this time he noticed how truly remote that Chelsea could be even when nearly every room had been booked Jason Stop to pure up the stairs just check if anyone else was around but the wrought iron cave was training empty even as the ever-present sounds of the president's thudded around them he was standing in the eye of a hurricane of sex booze and on drugs. When Jason turned back around mark with standing right behind him he could feel the other man's breath near his face? Jason took a step back and slipped off the landing. He clutched the railing trying to prevent himself from falling completely but the metal steps bit into his leg as he crumpled to his knees. Mark made no effort to help him up. There is a tension and mark spotty that Jason had never noticed this before the easy going persona was starting to tear the seems Jason got two feet clumsily mark turned back around and headed from the landing to the next set of stairs. Jason walked around him grateful that he had an easy escape path if you needed it he hoped he was giving heather the room to breathe while they were on their disturbing outing then he heard her mark kept walking but Jason couldn't he turned down the stairs and started racing back towards the second floor. He tripped over his own feet in haste he good here marks footsteps stopping the landing but he didn't have time to care an electrically dressed woman was standing in the doorway of Mark and had his apartment the lemon bars he made tumbled to the floor with a broken bottle of wine beside them. Her hands were clamped over her mouth in horror. It wasn't heather who he'd heard screaming. He knew what that meant and he didn't want to look but for heather where he had to he put a reassuring hand on the other woman shelter and told her to call the police against his better judgment. Jason went inside his foot slid slid through a pool of blood and to use the door to stabilize himself while rose up in his throat but he swallowed it down the lights route but the race of Sun struggled to the Ghazi drapes to reveal a crimson pollock painting of blood and brains he saw heather said her mouth was covered with duct tape. Her Straw like hair was tinged with Crimson so he found himself realizing he'd never seen her real hair before he thought the strange urge to grab a wig from the wall to cover her up to make her feel less vulnerable but her is stopped him. They were still staring an abject horror. Her gaze fixed the apartment door. He couldn't bear to get better. Look at the situation Jason made for the door and carefully peaked out into the hall. The girl with a broken lemon bars was standing with mark farther down the corridor. He was comforting. Jason Swallowed Bile again. Mark was probably feeding your lies right now. She never seen what happened. When the doors were closed? Jason knew he'd known the whole time and did nothing Jason crept forward overdone types of his toes trying to keep from making a sound market Sina by the door but maybe he still thought Jason was inside examining the crime scene carefully he inched around the woman woman and mark but to locked in a hug and he could hear her sobbing tomorrow. Shelter that's mark corrupt her back. He made it to the other side of the Hallway and took careful step in the old middle gave him away. He snuck glance back at Hark and found the other man. Watching closely is is hard. Jason didn't want to see what mark planned. He ran down the rest of the stairs wrapping on every door he saw screaming for someone to listen but no one stirred he heard plenty of noises from within laughter loved making Walter Cronkite droning hang on about the news of the day from television set the hotel was full of people living their own lives ignorant or numb to the paint around them just like him. Jason finally reached the Front Desk. He ripped the phone from the manager dialed nine one one with trembling fingers the phone cut out Jason looked up and mark snarling face and then Jason's world to while the death of Nancy Spungen is by far the most famous tragedy at the Chelsea Hotel Sitting Nancy. Stay is by no means the sole incident of domestic violence. The location has seen long-term-resident Gerald Busby told The New York Times that is casual conversation vexation with US neighbor was interrupted by the police breaking down the door to arrest the man for shooting his wife but those are just the bits of violence tied to living people. The sounds of screaming fights can be heard an empty rooms door slam and running feet travel down halls even on empty floors some guests report developing strong feelings of animosity towards their partner that they couldn't explain Blaine another guest noted that a ghost helped her calm down enough to leave at abusive relationship whether or not the hotel Chelsea is a true vortex for tragedy. It has fallen on difficult times in recent years a minority shareholders takeover the property has left it in disarray since two thousand ten tenants have been evicted without prior. Notice and rooms have been gutted illegally famous art pieces that once during the lobby have been removed by management only to show up at auction soon afterward the Chelsea stopped taking new reservations in two thousand eleven and the few remaining residents continue to fight to stay in their apartments using New York City strong tenants rights laws but their relationship with their landlords have become increasingly hostile resulting in injunctions work stoppages at lawsuits the new owners intended for the hotel to open its doors to guests again in two thousand nineteen but the website remains shuddered and as of June two thousand nineteen. There's there's been no announcement of an opening date. The renovation appears to be a full overhaul and one is left to wonder how much of the iconic hotel but actually be left as poet and tenant. I and Edgar Lee Masters wrote in one thousand nine hundred thirty six and his poem the Hotel Chelsea Anita soon this Chelsea hotel will vanish before the city's merchant greed records will records and in its instead more lofty walls swell the sold streets populace then who will know about its ancient grandeur marble stairs. It's paintings Onyx mantles courts the heirs of time now long ago it would be one final tragedy for the Chelsea to close permanently but it might be an even greater one for to lose the artistic soul and symbolism it holds within the culture of New York City but it's hard to believe the spirits of the hotel would allow that to happen. Some will visit gently crossing rooms in the middle of the night and sitting softly on the bed others will rage against the dying of the light keeping the party going long after the last of the current residents have gone thanks again for tuning into our haunted places summer of sixty nine special. 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The Chelsea Hotel
"This episode features discussions of domestic violence suicide institutionalization and the death of a child listener discretion is advised especially for children under thirteen Darlene had a dizzying fear of heights. Even the thought of a skyscraper was enough to dim the edges of her vision and loosen the joints internees but the desk clerk at the Chelsea Chelsea Hotel had placed on the eighth floor and had no interest in transferring her she was to rattle to protest so she slept to the elevator and held her breath on the right up each pause about like get new freefall. She left the elevator. A rush of nerves hit her hard. Someone placed their hand on her shelter to steady her. Her name was Clara and she wanted to help Darlene declined eight but Clara wouldn't let go her gauzy violet shirt kiss Darlene skin. She gently squeezed her shelter. Cleric claim that she had the perfect cure for darlings nerves. She would take take Darlene to her sitting room. She called it a Purple Palace that cured all ills Darlene offered a tight smile and tried to walk away. This was New York after all don't make eye contact and the leave you alone Clara's grip tightened further and she forced arlene to return her gaze. Her eyes glinted. They were a brown so dark. It was almost black Darlene Disney arrest a kind stranger offering to help her. She could be amenable. Distracted Looking Bohemian type bumped into the two and Darlene shook her mind free from claris hold. She didn't didn't want to go with the strange woman. She tried to turn towards her door. Even the view out an eight storey window seemed better than Clara's beady Gaze Clara pleiter with words like comfort and safety fifty in a new city the world could feel so frighteningly large but womb would help at that it would shrink the entire universe down to a more manageable size Darlene opened her mouth which acquiesce but she couldn't speak there were webs in her throat. They spilled out of her mouth and long silver tendrils sticky and strong Darlene tried to scream as they began into dance and loop forming a squeaking stretching room Clara used it to drag her the rest of the way welcome to haunted places a podcast original. I'm Greg Poulsen every Thursday I take you to the scariest Eerie hist most most haunted places on her this week join me supernatural journey to the Chelsea hotel what of New York City's most storied and tragic buildings and discover discover why to this day. It's this episode is part of podcasts summer of sixty nine event July twenty second through August ninth. All your favorite park has shows are teaming up to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary of a landmark summer in American history. The summer of nineteen sixty nine from the Manson murders to the moon landing or diving deep into the summer America hit a boiling point with twenty three special episodes across sixteen different podcast originals. 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The Chelsea is known for two things things it's Bohemian Clientele many of whom stayed for years and it's strange and plentiful tragedies. The historic building has become a frequent site for suicides. Thanks to its twelfth story height it but many of the deaths at the hotel have stranger origins writer Dylan. Thomas often suffered from poor health and his respiratory condition deteriorated almost immediately after checking into the Chelsea he was hospitalized after fell into a coma of the night of November fifth nineteen fifty-three he passed away four days later at the age of thirty nine but Chelsea hotels most famous casualty is Nancy. He's punching the girlfriend of SID vicious. She was found stabbed her Cathro on October Twelfth Nineteen seventy eight less than a year after the building had been named a New York City landmark in edifice of red brick and windows at the center of New York City's theatre district in the late nineteenth century but Chelsea is two hundred fifty unit combination of Queen Anne Revival Victorian Gothic architecture it opened in eighteen eighty four her and was the tallest building the city at that time but before the Chelsea was built at two twenty two West Twenty Third Street the address was held by the excelsior pelting during the eighteen seventies. The excelsior was a staggering size for the time period holding six floors of stores apartments furniture storage and even an armory for New York's eighth regiment this meant families and customers constantly moving in <music> out it also met that the entire interior of the building was highly flammable. Thomas Murphy loved his job job. He took pride in forging weapons and other equipment for the Eighth Regiment of the Union army but he enjoyed his profession even more knowing that his handiwork may not ever be needed the war between the states was now thirteen years behind give but he's still relived it in his nightmares he heard shots and smell the smoke and blood as clearly as he had all those years ago more than anything the war made him value his family. Thomas never missed a meal with them and was constantly delighted by the imaginations of his children his wife Melinda said grace. I two of his four children were yawning at the table and the youngest Joseph looked Pale. He was concerned for the boy's house but Melinda told him not to worry. They missed their NAP. Today that was all he caught a whiff of smoke but assumed it was just a piece of their dinner that it stuck inside the cast iron oven it would burn away with the embers. He tickled Joseph Awake and join the children to help Melinda with the after dinner chores afterwards the little ones got into their nightgowns kissed their parents good night and trundled off to bed Thomas watching them. Go reminding himself how lucky he was but the smell had not gone away in fact he could have sworn it was growing the ASS Belinda she had caught a center the ashes well. She wrinkled her nose sniffing the Air Melinda. Linda left her chair and headed into the kitchen. Her eyes were wide when she returned and her voice shook with rising panic. She told Thomas they needed to leave immediately. Thomas and his family lived next door to his place of work. Doc this made it easy to come home at eight or to help if one of the children was sick but it also met that a stockpile of ammunition was sitting on the other side of their bedroom wall it began with small pox almost imperceptible -ceptable moments later Thomas heard the small wash of flame igniting. They were out of time adrenaline surge through Thomas. He yelled to Melinda telling her to wake the children while he ran outside to raise the alarm Thomas could see plumes of smoke escaping from the basement and the first floor windows near the elevator shaft were beginning to swell from the heat with only two hands and four small children children Melinda was going to struggle. She had to pull the kids out by her sound. He sprinted back towards the building but he slipped on the stairs. His Chin hit the edge of a stair and he could feel the skin split and he scrambled up and bolted for his family's rooms. The air was heavier. Now Thomas could feel the heat against his face. He grasped the doorknob but jerks his hand away. As the hot metal scorched gorgeous skin he yanked on his shirt's sleeve and grabbed the knob began pushing through the pain the smell of burned flesh mingled with a sense of ash and destruction he was greeted by a cloud of smoke doc but no flames Thomas tried to scream from Linda and the children but he could only get off the first syllable of her name before he dissolved into costs but vic air filled his lungs making it impossible possible for him to breathe. He pulled one edge of his collar against his face but the material was too thin to be a strong barrier against the clouds of smoke. He used his free hand to feel around the space blood thundered in his eardrums as he frantically searched for his children he stumbled over furniture but his hands closed on nothing but empty air amid crackling fire and bending. Would he heard a child cry. Thomas wasn't sure if the sound was an echo of a memory or one of his children in danger but he raced towards it nonetheless his head was starting to feel heavy a vision seemed to close in as the smokes don his eyes and then he felt the telltale tug of a child's hand at his pant leg pulling him towards the exit still blinded by the stinging unheated ash he lifted the small body into his arms as if it weighed nothing and sprinted back out of the House and up the stairs Thomas's legs gave out when you reach the sidewalk he cradled the child to his chest and took in deep goal of fresh air as their world burned behind them he looked down at the boys still face finally able to tell that it was his son. Joseph Joseph Skin was smudged with soot but Thomas could see his nostrils flaring as he breathed in the fresh air in a strangely serene slumber. Thomas breathed again a wave of of temporary relief washing over him. Thomas talked to him trying to get his son to wake but Joseph did not stir is breathing started to slow Thomas found himself shaking the boy oy suddenly Joseph's eyes bulged open and then fell from their sockets to the sidewalk melting as they went his flesh took on a model texture his skin dried eight like paper leaving only splinters of black terrified Thomas called for help but no one seemed to see him even as the neighbors has had begun to congregate in small groups watching their home burn he clutched Tucson again but Joseph's bones were brittle. He was not sure how long he laid on the sidewalk scooping the remnants of the boy back into his trouser pockets tears slid down his ash covered face. A small hand patted his head. Thomas turned and recoiled in shock. There was Joseph Jeff covered in soot but Thomas hugged the boy tightly as explosions filled the sky despite the fire brigades best efforts the flames were growing. Thomas could feel that familiar heat against his cheeks again he took hold the Joseph's hand and instructed him to follow closely. Thomas took two steps toward the street but Joseph lingered frozen Thomas Follow Joseph's pointed thinker to the smoldering ruins of the church next door. The cathedral's brilliant white marble was slowly being covered by dark snowfall of ash and Denver's. The interior of the church was now visible along with the congregation's motto. Joseph asked his father what it said Thomas's voice shook as he read the words suffer little children to come unto mm to me. Thomas felt the small hand fall out of his he grasped at arrogant whipping around searching for his son. The street was a flurry of motion as water vainly arched up toward the towering flames he could find no sign of his missing child then a tiny silhouette cod design just above the word suffer Joseph wave to him sitting atop atop the marble then disappeared before it became the illustrious Chelsea hotel the same area was home to the excelsior building a complex owned by businessman James Ingersoll a member of Tammany Hall all he used the Excelsior to embezzle money that the city Treasury marked for armory funds in order to cover up their fraud tammy place. The Eighth Regiment in two floors of the building other floors were used for storefronts on San Storage. The excelsior was completed in eighteen seventy watt but ingersoll through was short lived on February first eighteen seventy eight the excelsior and to nearby churches burned burn down after a fire started in the basement the storage of weapons and ammunition and the armory led to a series of explosions causing over half a million dollars in property damage that would be over twelve twelve point eight million dollars in two thousand nineteen a mere six years after this tragedy the hotel Chelsea rose where the excelsior I'd wants to it. Perhaps it was this building's destruction that laid the groundwork for Chelsea's famously sinister atmosphere some of said that the Chelsea was built on spoiled ground the address forever tainted by that consuming inferno ignited united within the excelsior that was the first documented tragedy to occur or the Chelsea now stands but it certainly wasn't the last and as we'll soon see there are worse ways to die by then afire. 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The building's architect Philip Hubert Pioneer New York's apartment cops buildings were tenants shared not just common areas but also fuel and services the first Hubert home club was founded in eighteen eighty and he opened several more in the following years Hubert reserved several apartments for the laborers who had constructed the new building thing at two twenty two west twenty third and the remaining ones were quickly filled in by writers musicians and actors who flocked to the thriving theatre district but as the new century dawned and Upper Manhattan Rose does the neighborhood of Chelsea fell out of favor the New York theater community moved to Time Square and the CO-OP went bankrupt in one thousand nine hundred five the Chelsea was quickly reopened as a residential hotel. Mark Twain was a frequent guest along with novelist and critic William Dean howells's and socialist organizer and painter John French Sloan Sloan was one of the founders of the Ash can school of American art and frequently painted the scene see-saw outside his window at the Chelsea but not every tenant was a luminary. Some were just looking to take advantage of the hotels respect for guests privacy and sometimes <music> privacy is the worst thing for a troubled mine. The edges of it telcos reality had begun to blur ten years ago her future future husband Arthur had just bought her a penthouse apartment at the hotel Chelsea he was to arrive on a passenger liner Wednesday morning April Seventeenth Nineteen twelve. She could see the porch from her balcony. She wanted to sail with him but her family insisted she couldn't travel with him until they were married so she waited patiently for the R._S.. Titanic to arrive he never came her family forced her to move back downstairs with them on the fifth floor at Telka protested saying search parties hadn't found Arthur's body after the demise of the supposedly unsinkable ship. Her parents told her that didn't mean that he was alive but she still went every day walking twenty minutes to the Bank of the Hudson she walked the key in the freezing rain and and New York's no month after month year after year she was closing in on ten years of waiting watching hoping with their whole body and soul sometimes when her family was sleeping it Telka could swear that she was with him aboard the ship of dreams she could feel the kiss of vice against her cheek and the warmth of Arthur beside her the salt sprays tongue their noses as they walked the deck together the ever-present <hes> of the engine mingling with their conversations but but then she'd be back in her room the ice and salt and <hes> would disappear and all she was left with was the widow's walk. Her parents had tried to find her another partner but she did not know how to explain that she still had won. Some part of Arthur was with her even now she did not need another suitor or another apartment. She needed to stay here in Casey. She came she even warned the new occupant of the Penthouse that Arthur might come looking for the woman had doubted they argued it tells us father got involved. It Telco was sent to a sanitarium sanitarium to recuperate and return several weeks later. Her family wouldn't let her walk to the peer anymore when they left her alone. They locked her in her room. It telka snuck outer a window and ought to the balcony. She couldn't see the ships but she would know when he was near she was short. The hours ticked by the ancient clock. Her grandparents had brought over from Russia when it became too cold even for her she headed side out of the icy Atlantic win in the harsh light of day. She found herself standing. Both in the kitchen and I'm the deck have a ship. The floor was polished so thoroughly that she could see her own reflection arthur had brought her here many times but never during the day she searched for him. Among the throng of passengers Arthur had a warm but familiar energy that usually kept him from sticking out at a crowd so she paced the deck ducking into every group and giving them Emma quick look before moving onto the next there was an incessant chattering of other voices in her head but they were too loud and numerous to understand. She thought that she hurt her name but she couldn't be sure she wasn't sure of anything anymore. The minute a telco looked up at the bright blue sky. It shifted to a deep navy. The temperature church dropped. She shivered in her house dress. People bumped pasture other way to the other side of the deck. It telka shuffled out of the way and towards the railing there were small clumps of ice floating atop the ocean Russian they dipped in and out of the water fighting the wake of the massive ship. It telka shivered watching the motion somehow it was coming. If she joined the ice in the water. Maybe uncertainty would end as the thought pass through her mind. She felt her left hand. Begin to freeze. She watched spellbound as the tips of fingers days went from a brilliant pink to a faded Blue Frost rimmed or fingernails and the sensation kept spreading then the pain caught up with her her hand waiter down buzzing. Listen with agony red hot and bitingly cold all at once she raced around the deck looking for a some sort of relief salvation came in the form of a fire axe she seated herself on the ground and raise the axe as her hand throbbed and burned. She wasn't sure if she had the strength to enter suffering but she had to try for a moment she could hear her mother's place. The ship faded and she was back in your kitchen. The axe wasn't an ax but am I am and in an instant it was gone again. Her fingers were turning black. She had to do this now or she could lose the rest of her body. The Telco took a deep breath and swan the first swing severed part of the injured hand but there were still several spots where the two are connected and the ice was creeping along them seeking out her heart wanting her to forget Arthur. Either forget herself. It telka raise the ex again and brought it down. It took a looked up. It should have heard home but she felt free safe for the first time in years. She blinked Arthur stood by the railing. She couldn't believe Abbott her legs. Trembling as she stood up she hid her mangled left wrist behind the folds address she did not want Arthur to see what had become of her in his absence. He smiled at her serenely offering his elbow for her to take she declined embarrassed at what she done but she still took her place alongside the deck disappeared and they were in the penthouse they were Arthur told her not to worry. All she had to do was reach out to him and he would bring her back to that ship of dreams and they could spend eternity together at Telka gave him her hand. They left the kitchen far behind and she felt her feet touch. The Polish deck once more a wave of panic move moved through the few stragglers still on deck. I was starting to form on the railings. She asked Arthur where they were. He told her that she already knew she loved Arthur. He had been her world left and everything else had fallen away in his absence but as she stood next to him in the cold she felt the waves and pull of the darkness below. She was in his arms but she felt felt alone. This wasn't what she will and for the first time she was sure the push of the ice through her and Arthur to the ground it token knew what came next Bohol would begin to crack. She raised towards the lifeboats but they passed through her her mother's voice culture name. This was all some and terrible delusion. Her minded dreamed up to help remove on escape was possible. It telka glanced around the ship searching for something she could not name. She needed a way out. The boat rocked Telka began to slide she grip the railing with her remaining hand. Her right arm screamed as it took her full weight. Arthur watched her impassive. He made aide no attempt for survival. He was a gentleman women and children. I it telco took a deep breath. She lifted herself up and over the railing but some advice were much larger archer now she was scared. Her mother called her name again. It Telco let go. She should've felt the plunge of the icy water solid glidden shocking but she felt nothing just a slide squeak and a world Andy Cry on March Fifth One Thousand Nine hundred twenty two at Telka graph severed her left hand at the wrist then jumped from the fifth floor window of the Chelsea hotel she landed landed on a balcony three floors below and was taken to Bellevue Hospital for treatment. They were able to stabilize herself amputation but she passed away due to internal injuries of few days later. It was her second recent hospital visit she had been released from a sanitarium a few weeks prior. It telcos severed hand was found in her bedroom. Telka graph is just one of several guests that Chelsea hotel who had severe mental illnesses and died in ways that could be accidental more intentional. No one knows why she jumped from the fifth floor or what compelled to cut off her hand before doing so unclear nights it Telka floats just above her fateful window. She never ventures further into the hotel. Occasionally guests have seen translucent severed hand in various rooms on her side of the building. Several guests have referred to the hotel as having a black cloud it makes people feel hopeless and exacerbates the internal problems that they'd already been dealing with SID vicious described the Chelsea as an artistic tornado death and destruction and love and broken dreams. It's common for the Chelsea's residents to refer to the hotel as a force of nature and many claim they could no longer be held responsible for their actions once they pass through its doors while the public will never have answers as to what happened to a telegraph or others like her one thing does has remained clear something pin them to this place both seducing and torturing them coming coming up. We'll see what happens when that something takes human for now back to the story the late sixties and seventies were the very height of the Chelsea's else's influence on both the New York art scene and art itself the Hotel Lobby held works by the Godfather of Pop Art Larry Rivers and avangard artist Brett Whiteley and modernised Akbar Pot himse whose contribution was sold at Sotheby's for one point four million dollars in two thousand eleven monkeys and dogs ran up and down the hotel stairs on break from being trained for the Metropolitan Opera's nineteen sixty three production of Aida by Resident Katherine Dunham the choreographer and anthropologist regarded as the matriarch and Queen Mother of African American modern dance. It's one could argue that the sixties and seventies were Chelsea's golden years. You're likely to run into Janice Joplin in the elevator or Betsy Johnson or Stanley kubrick Jim Morrison or Leonard Cohen Bob Dylan or Patti Smith. You might have even seen Andy Warhol and Edie Sedgwick be four. She was banned from the hotel for accidentally setting her mattress on fire while she received one of the Chelsea's rare conviction notices the rest of the residents weren't particularly phased by the fire. Most of them were awake in the middle of the night anyway so they all went downstairs to Elko the restaurant that has existed on the ground floor of the hotel all since one thousand nine hundred thirty until the firefighters finished up it was nearly impossible to rattle the residents of the Chelsea Hotel. The police frequently raided specific apartments only for officers to show up later. You're looking to buy weed L._S._D.. Or something stronger but the murder of twenty year old Nancy Spungen the girlfriend of sex pistols bassist sid vicious marked a turning point in the casual attitudes. What's the residents to see that sitted nancy were bad for each other wasn't understatement? The couple frequently spend days or even weeks abusing heroin and painkillers in their apartment at the Chelsea. Let's see number. One Hundred Nancy was confrontational and though friends described Sitta shy he demonstrated a volatility when a Nancy's company that often lead to mutual abuse sometime during in the early morning hours of October Twelfth Nineteen seventy-eight Nancy was stabbed SID would call down to the front desk at ten A._M.. Asking for help Nancy was already dead in the couple's bathroom. Many of SID and Nancy's neighbors blame themselves for not realizing that something was wrong after guest admitted to hearing female Moans the Night Nancy was stabbed but the noise level and even the MOANS and crying. Themselves weren't out of the ordinary for any night at the Chelsea. Similar sounds frequently had less sinister causes a bad trip and impromptu rehearsal or even strange performance art. They didn't realize that spungen was weeping because she was bleeding and her boyfriend was too high to help her. It was these moments that forced the artistic enclave of the Chelsea to consider what the cost of art actually was. They prided themselves on being a community but community wasn't as easy as smiling in the elevator or bumming a cigarette Jason was new to the city and July of Nineteen sixty-nine but somehow as he stepped off the bus he felt right at home he had felt compelled to join the ranks of transplants ants plants in New York City ever since he had read about Ken Keesey and the Merry Pranksters road trip in sixty four he had longed to leave as rural midwestern upbringing behind him and embrace a truly Bohemian lifestyle style he wanted to follow his idols burroughs Ginsberg Cadillac. The perfect place to do that was that Chelsea hotel shiver ran up his spine as he entered the lobby and he found himself sitting in an armchair just to hear the residents discuss how bad Nixon was even though he'd only been president for a few months how landing on the moon was going to end the world and how boring the place had gotten and since Warhol left Jason stood just beneath the winding grand staircase with its intricate iron embellishments catching snatches of sounds floating down from the floors above in classical piano jazz trumpet and even Folk Musician Wailing Away about Vietnam as room had a few blooming spots of mold on the walls the water never switched from hot to cold screams shouts and singing bled through the wall every night. It wasn't the Ritz but this was part of being an artist. Jason couldn't wait to sit down at his typewriter. The constant jam mm session said Ben Inspiring when he first arrived but they seem to be happening every minute of every hour of every day. Jason was convinced someone was keeping at a rang at ten in the building. Thanks to the hoots he heard in the middle of the night right but the worst was the banking. Sometimes it was heavy punctuated by yelling. Sometimes it was soft almost tender before ending with a scream and cry eventually he figured out it was the apartment to his left. He'd been just about to knock on the door to say something when he heard a cry like the world was ending then the crying became a laugh a record player kicked don and the voices began to sing along in perfect harmony all was well until the slamming began again the next night he heard something break and their record played again but down beat's punctuating shoe waiting every jarring back he mentioned the noise to someone in the lobby but the old timer just shook his head artists he said waving his paint covered hands but Jason couldn't let it go. No the Chelsea was a happening place and it was normal for residents to hang outside their rooms so we sat in his doorway with a copy of naked lunch and waited for his neighbors to emerge the man who opened the door looked like he walked out of a warhol film with long legs thick glasses and intentionally messy hair. He introduced himself as mark with an earnest welcoming smile after only talking with him for a few moments. You wanted to hear everything about what Jason was working on. Mark frequently held court with the other tenants in the lobby or in his apartment and Jason couldn't quite get him to answer her what he actually did for living the woman heather was much different the sliver of a shadow at high noon Jason Rarely ever caught a glimpse of her and when he did she was never what he expected she wore different leagues and live life as though Sheron stage she was given to calling inconveniences tragedies and celebrated the smallest victory with operatic pump circumstance. He offered to carry her groceries wants. She called him a prince among men and recited Oscar Wilde Salome to him. When he recognized the quote she leaned in and and said softly and now we're in love? Aren't we before crossing to her door but when she realized they lived next door to each other she stopped heather held his gaze for a moment registering registering the secret they shared Jason wanted to ask her if he should tell but he knew the answer. Mark told Jason that heather had some kind of nervous condition it was why she wore wigs and rarely left at the house she was afraid of people he said even when they were harmless marks Canine said practically glinted as he said the word and Jason Felt uneasy as impressed as he was caused by mark he had been on the other side of the wall during the fights he had heard glass breaking he'd heard the scream said the tears but nothing was worse than the silence that followed Jason would listen to the wall waiting to hear the two voices again. He was afraid that he would only here for what felt like ages he heard nothing not even the faintest creek of a floorboard. It was like the room next door had simply stopped existing. Jason almost jumped out of his skin at the sound. Someone was at star. He straightened himself and opened it slowly. They're stood mark with his wolf fish smile. He wanted to give Jason a formal tour of the hotel. Jason tried to decline fine but mark wouldn't give up. Jason told him he would meet him outside. When the other man left Jason put his ear to the wall? The room was island. They started walking down the hall together. Mark would stop in front of each store always spouting some rumor about a resident who had occupied the room a few years ago. Jason could almost believe that he wasn't making any of this op but marks is kept glancing back down the hall to his own apartment. Jason had been alone with mark many times before but this time he noticed how truly remote that Chelsea could be even when nearly every room had been booked Jason Stop to pure up the stairs just check if anyone else was around but the wrought iron cave was strangely empty even as the ever present sounds of the president's flooded around them he was standing in the eye of a hurricane of sex booze and drugs. When Jason turned back around mark was standing right behind him he could feel the other man's breath nearest face Jason took a step back and slipped off the landing? He clutched the railing to prevent himself from falling completely but the metal steps bit into his leg as he crumpled to his knees. Mark made no effort to help up there is a tension and mark spotty that Jason had never noticed before the easy going persona was starting to tear the seems Jason got to his feet clumsily mark turn back around and headed from the landing to the next set of stairs. Jason walked around him grateful that he had an easy escape path if you needed it he hoped he was giving heather the room to breathe leave while they were on their disturbing outing then he heard her. Mark kept walking but Jason couldn't he. Turn down the stairs and started racing back towards the second floor. He tripped over his own feet in haste he could hear marks footsteps stopping the landing but he didn't have time to care an electrically dressed woman was standing in the doorway. Way Of marketing head is apartment the lemon bars he made at tumbled to the floor with a broken bottle of wine beside them. Her hands were clamped over her mouth in horror. It wasn't heather who he'd heard hurt screaming. He knew what that meant and he didn't want to look but for heather he had to he put a reassuring hand on the other woman shelter and told her to call the police and against his better judgment Jason went inside his foot slid through a pool of blood and to use the door to stabilize himself while rose up in his throat but he swallowed it down the lights are out but the rays of Sun struggled to the Gazi drapes to reveal a crimson pollock painting of blood and brains. He saw heather said add her mouth was covered with duct tape. Her Straw like hair was tinged with Crimson. He found himself realizing he'd never seen her real hair before he thought the strange urge urge to grab a wig from the wall to cover her up to make her feel less vulnerable but her eyes stopped him. They were still staring an abject horror. Her gaze fixed up the apartment door. He couldn't bear to get a better look at the situation Jason made for the door and carefully peaked out into the hall. The girl with the broken lemon bars was standing with mark farther down the corridor. He was comforting her. Jason Swallowed Bile again. Mark was probably feeding your lies right now. She'd never seen what happened when the doors were closed Jason in new he'd known the whole time and did nothing Jason crept forward on the types of his toes trying to keep from making sound market Sina by the door but maybe he still Quebec Jason was inside examining the crime scene carefully he inched around the woman and mark but two were locked in a hug and he could hear her sobbing into mark shelter. That's Mark Rupture back. He made it to the other side of the Hallway and took careful step the old metal gave him away he snuggie glance back at Hark and found the other man watching him. Closely is is hard. Jason didn't want to see what mark planned. He ran down the rest of the stairs wrapping on every door he saw screaming for someone to listen but no one disturned he heard plenty of noises from within laughter love making Walter Cronkite droning on about the news of the day from television set the hotel was full of people living their own lives ignorant or numb come to the paint around them just like him. Jason finally reached the Front Desk. He ripped the phone from the manager and dialed nine. One one with trembling fingers the phone cut out note Jason looked up and mark snarling face and then Jason's zero two while the death of Nancy Spungen is by far the most famous tragedy at the Chelsea Hotel Sitting Nancy. Stay is by no means the sole incident of domestic violence that location location has seen long-term resident Gerald Busby told The New York Times that is casual conversation with his neighbor was interrupted by the police breaking down the door to arrest the man for shooting his wife but but those are just the bits of violence tied to living people the sounds of screaming fights can be heard in empty rooms doors slam running feet travel down halls even on empty floors. There's some guests report developing strong feelings of animosity towards their partner that they couldn't explain another guest noted that a ghost helped her calm down enough to leave at abusive relationship whether or not the hotel Chelsea is a true vortex tragedy. It has fallen on difficult times in recent years a minority shareholders takeover. The property has left left in disarray since two thousand ten tenants have been convicted without prior. Notice and rooms have been gutted illegally famous art pieces that once a door in the lobby have been removed by management only lead to show up at auction soon afterward the Chelsea stopped taking new reservations in two thousand eleven and the few remaining residents continue to fight to stay in their apartments using New York City strong tenants rights laws us but their relationship with their landlords have become increasingly hostile resulting in injunctions work stoppages at lawsuits the new owners intended for the hotel to open its doors to guests again in two two thousand nineteen but the website remains shuttered and as of June two thousand nineteen. There's been no announcement of an opening date. The renovation appears to be a full overhaul and one is left to wonder sure how much of the iconic hotel will actually be left as poet and tenant Edgar Lee Masters wrote in one thousand nine hundred thirty six in his poem the Hotel Chelsea Anita soon soon this Chelsea hotel will vanish before the city's merchant creed records will records and in its stead more lofty walls swell this old streets populace then who will know about its ancient ancient grandeur marble stairs. It's paintings Onyx mantles courts the air of time now long ago it would be one final tragedy for the Chelsea to close permanently permanently but it might be an even greater one for to lose the artistic soul and symbolism it holds within the culture of New York City but it's hard to believe the spirits of the hotel would allow that to happen some we'll visit gently crossing rooms in the middle of the night and sitting softly on the bed others will rage against the dying of the light keeping the party going long after the last of the current residents have gone thanks again for tuning into our haunted places summer number of sixty nine special. If you enjoyed this episode Checkout Park casts continued retrospective into the summer of sixty nine from July twenty second to August ninth the summer of Sixty Nine will feature twenty three Special Alexis odes across sixteen different podcasts covering everything from Vietnam War protests to the Zodiac killer. 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1872, Greeley vs Grant: Progress Under Siege
"Spring Eighteen fifty four at Fort Humboldt military outposts on the northern coast of California. An Army captain sits at his desk in his officers quarters. Busying himself with his favorite pastime a bottle of whisky. There's little Laos for a man to do at Fort. Humboldt saved for making trips to the nearby town of Eureka for gambling. Dancing and women. But the captain is an interested in any of those things he misses his wife. Julia and their recently born son. He's also wracked with pain. Played with nearly constant migraine headaches. The whiskey passes the time but also eases his suffering. The captain is just about to pour another drink. When there's a knock on the door just moments place. The captain quickly hides his class and stores the bottle away in his desk drawer. Drink is permitted at Fort Humboldt. But the captain has a tendency to overindulge and recently his commanding officer put him on notice. No more booze or else. He buttons up his uniform and straightens his hair before calling out. Come IN THE DOOR. Opens Revealing Lewis. Cass hunt outranked. The captain quickly stands at attention at. He's captain what can I do for you? Sir? Have a seat yes sir. I'm here on behalf of colonel. Buchanan Colonel is deeply disappointed in your conduct my conduct. The colonel gave me plenty of chances. Captain you've ignored his warnings. Every step of the way with respect to the colonel. I've done nothing improper. I've hardly strayed more than one hundred yards from my corners and weeks. You came to the pay table on Sunday last wet as a whistle when I have nothing to do sir get blue and depressed and I have a natural craving for drink but it does not interfere with my duties. My men are well. Cared for in well-prepared should the need arise. Your resignation will be accepted at once. Captain I would like to discuss this with Colonel Buchanan. There is nothing to discuss. If you do not resign you'll face a court martial despondent the Captain Sinks back in his chair. His head falls into his hands. After a long pause reaches for a pen and paper he scribbles out a letter of resignation handed to hunt. I do not want my wife to know. The circumstances colonel will be discreet. Captain Line the captain had served America with distinction in the Mexican American war and was well positioned for an illustrious military career but like so many men of his era alcohol beset him with troubles. But the captain did not give at the outbreak of the civil war. He volunteered to fight for the union. Eventually rising to the rank of general in chief the head commander of the US Army. He led union forces in a string of critical victories over the confederacy that ultimately resulted in a union victory after the war. General Ulysses S Grant Rhode his fame and popularity all the way to the White House I'm Lindsey Graham and this is American elections wicked gang throughout grant's career. He struggled with personal demons. He'd failed many times life as a former a bill collector a real estate man and finally as an army captain in his personal memoirs grant painted a different picture of the circumstances surrounding his resignation in eighteen fifty. Four grant claimed that he resigned from the army voluntarily out of a desire to be with his family but the accounts of Hunt and others suggests that his abuse of alcohol was the true culprit. Grant was an imperfect man an imperfect general and ultimately an imperfect president but despite his shortcomings President granted not forget that his election in eighteen sixty eight was due in large part to the support of newly freed black Americans in the south many of whom were able to vote in eighteen. Sixty eight for the very first time often at great peril to themselves and their families grant had campaigned on a promise to secure and protect the rights of former slaves and to forge a path for the future but from the moment he was elected the forces of opposition began closing in as president grant would have to overcome more than his personal demons he would have to confront the enemies of progress and fight through a seemingly never ending onslaught of political scandals and he would have to suppress the rise of violent forces committed to turn back the clock. This episode twenty to eighteen seventy two really versus grant fragrance under siege. It's a cold dark night November of eighteen sixty eight president-elect grant is on a train from Galena Illinois bound for Washington is accompanied by his family and a handful of aides and staff officers. The train roars down the tracks moving at a rapid pace faster than normal as because general. Adam Bodo is in a hurry to get grant and his family safely to Washington. The Dow has the rest of Grant Staff Officers Huddled at the rear of the train. Car He speaks in. A hushed tone with urgency in his voice must be on alert at all times. Gentlemen Generals Ontinue Aries Public Knowledge. Even the root of this train has been publishing papers all across the country. Would you have do Sir till the generalist safely settled in Washington? We must not let our guard. I want all officers and AIDS onboard. This train armed and at the ready at all times. General won't like seeing guns around his family. General does not need to know. Keep the weapons concealed. Keep them within reach. But Sir I don't believe in order to make myself clear. Yes Sir I will be on as the men disperse one of the staff officers. Polls Bodo aside sir. Is there something we need to know? The Dow make sure he won't be heard leans in close and whispers. There have been threats on the general's life. Are these threats credible? He's received multiple letters. I've seen them with my own. Eyes does the channel. Of course he knows what was his reaction. He does not believe he's endanger. The general has taken no precautions. He refuses to make changes to his itinerary. Even though the entire country knows precisely where he'll be at any given moment between now when we arrive in Washington he pays these threats. No minded all I do. You must not forget. The tragedy befell this nation after such threats were made on the life of Mr. Lincoln as Sir aren't duty is to protect the general even from himself just after midnight on the trip from Galena to Washington grants train approached a bridge about an eighth of a mile. Long with a stream some seventy feet below. It was dark night with no moon so dark. That the train's conductor couldn't see that a switch had been left open at the approach to the bridge nor could he see the mound of rocks piled up on the railway. The train crashed through the rocks and derailed. But fortunately the speed of the train as ordered by Bodo carried. The car safely crossed the bridge and onto the narrow cut beyond before the car was overturned. All passengers were violently shaken. No one was injured. But had the overturn occurred twenty seconds sooner. The train would fallen into the river. As General Adam. Bedell would later recall. There was no doubt in the mind of any that the interruption had been planned but it was thought wise to say nothing on the subject rant himself joined Silas in regard to the circumstance and his companions were very willing to comply for crime is contagious and to announce one attempt like this is to suggest another in his book on. Grant's presidency Adam Doe does not name grants would be assassins but it doesn't strain credulity to imagine that those responsible had either allegiance to or at very least sympathy for the ideology behind a growing threat in eighteen. Sixty nine America. The Ku Klux Klan. The election of general grant in eighteen sixty eight was a signal to many in the country that change had come. The thirteenth and Fourteenth amendments had abolished slavery and guaranteed citizenship to former slaves. At the time grant took office the Fifteenth Amendment which guaranteed Friedman the right to vote and just passed the house and was on. Its Way to ratification and in this spirit. Almost immediately grant went to work for the former slaves in April. He asked Congress to convene elections in the south in the several states which had not yet been readmitted into the Union Grant Press Congress to establish new state constitutions that would secure the civil and political rights of all persons within their borders in the years of the late eighteen sixties. Black Americans made up nearly forty percent of the population. In the South this made former slaves a powerful voting bloc powerful enough to upend the status quo and sees the reins of power for many southern whites. This was too much change too fast. In his first term general grant would learn a hard lesson as one. Abolitionists explained the ratification. Only of constitutional amendments to guarantee equal civil and political rights to the colored people of the south will be of little practical value unless supplemented by adequate provision for their rigorous enforcement. Grant had been elected on a promise to secure equal rights for former slaves and to protect their interests. That promise earned him. The praise of many in the north and the disdain of many in the south as president grant would go to great lengths to make good on that promise and as he did. The forces of opposition would grow in equal measure. In the summer of eighteen sixty nine general grant spent the majority of his time at his summer cottage in Long Branch New Jersey. During that summer the nation saw are precipitous rise in violence against former slaves at the hands of the KKK in eighteen. Sixty eight grant had campaigned on the slogan. Let us have peace. But as one abolitionist wrote want is our president and General mean by singing peace peace while his friends are dying by midnight. Assassination in the wake of the civil war. Abolitionist had advocated for economic assistance education and equal rights for former slaves. Many of these pillars had been achieved by the fourteenth and fifteenth amendments and other reconstruction laws. But for the majority of Americans. The national priority was not protecting former slaves. It was uniting the country under a policy of conciliation toward the south. One of the most vocal advocates of conciliation was a man named Horace Greeley. The Republican founder and editor of The New York Tribune Greeley was adamant that true reconstruction would not be possible without the voluntary cooperation of southern whites. A group. He called the better class ingredients. Mind the only way to get the southern whites on board with reconstruction was granting full part into all confederates by letting the southern states govern themselves. Greeley feared that continued. Federal intervention in the south would drive all southern whites to the Democratic Party and ultimately increased violence against former slaves. Greeley firmly believe amnesty reconciliation and non-intervention would give southerners voice in the Republican Party. He hoped these southern Republicans would protect former slaves at the state and local level and work with moderate Republicans in the north on economic and political issues. Most abolitionists were appalled agrees notions seeing policies of conciliation a recipe for one thing danger for former slaves. Many abolitionists believed that the only way to curb white on black violence was exactly through. Federal intervention and trusting. The future of former slaves to former slaveholders was madness but Greeley's tribune was ubiquitous and his ideas caught on the south especially in Tennessee and Virginia and the summer of eighteen sixty nine. The Republican Party's in those states split into two sex. A radical faction and conservative one by uniting with disaffected Democrats the conservative faction dominated these states elections in September of eighteen sixty nine one radical Republican leader wrote. The Tribune is doing us. A vast amount of mischief. It is irregular imposter a conservative gorilla in radical ranks on the campaign trail the Conservatives had promised to uphold the fourteenth and fifteenth amendments and Congressional Reconstruction Laws. But once in power. They abandoned that pledge in Tennessee. For example the new conservative government dismantled the majority of public schools for Friedman Tennessee would go on to introduce a poll tax to suppress the black vote and vagrancy law the disproportionately hurt black laborers. If the grant administration had been naive or asleep at the wheel events in Tennessee and Virginia woke them up. Mississippi and Texas had state elections in late eighteen sixty nine the grant administration intervene to ensure the success of the more moderate. Republicans over the conservative factions. Still many party regulars feared that what had happened in Tennessee and Virginia was an omen of what was to come in the presidential election of eighteen. Seventy two as the tensions widened inside the Republican Party so to decay violence in the south in March of eighteen. Seventy the governor of North Carolina wrote a grant bands of armed men ride at night through various neighborhoods weeping and maltreating peaceable citizens hanging some burning churches and breaking up schools which have been established for the colored people witnesses to these atrocities. The governor said refuse to testify against the clan for fear of reprisal. Grant responded to the governor's plea by sending federal troops to shore up North Carolina's measly force of less than a thousand soldiers but the clan's terror was not confined to North Carolina in the state elections of eighteen. Seventy clan members worked to suppress the black vote and elect White Democrats in the fall of eighteen. Seventy the governor of South Carolina wrote to President Grant that the state election had turned violent colored men and women have been dragged from their homes at the dead hour of night and most cruelly and brutally scourged for the sole reason that they dared to exercise their own opinions on political subjects. I have within a few moments witnessed in my own office a spectacle that has chilled my blood with horror the KKK called itself the invisible empire. But it might be said that by eighteen seventy the clan was hiding in plain sight there were thousands upon thousands of groups spread out across nearly every county in the south as North. Carolina's governor explained this organized. Conspiracy is in existence in every county of the state is believed that his leaders now direct the movement of the present legislature this KKK terror campaign had been effective in the various state elections of eighteen. Seventy though six black candidates were elected to Congress in southern states four of whom were former slaves. The Republican congressional majority was weakened by Democratic gains in states like New York Indiana Missouri West Virginia Georgia Alabama and Florida. And it seemed. The election of black congressman only intensified the backlash many concerned citizens urged granted. Take Action abolitionist. Wendell Phillips wrote there is still a state of war with the South let general grant lay his hand on the leaders in the south. And you'll never hear the Ku Klux again. In June of eighteen seventy at the urging General Grant Congress established the Justice Department led by Attorney General Amos to Akron the task. Before Ackerman's new Justice Department was colossal to enforce compliance with the thirteenth fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments. To take on the KKK an organization that had according to General grant a single purpose to deprive colored citizens of the right to bear arms and of the right to a free ballot to suppress schools in which colored children were taught and to reduce the colored people to condition closely akin to that of slavery in January of Eighteen. Seventy one grant received another letter from the Governor of South Carolina warning grant that the KKK was lording over the south in what the governor called a reign of terror continuing few. Republicans dare sleep in their houses at night. So in February eighteen seventy one grant fought back. He ordered federal troops to South Carolina and pledged that they would remain there for the duration of his administration their commander Major Lewis Merrill worked in conjunction with the Justice Department to Recruit Farrell attorneys and judges to prosecute Klansman who violated the law. It was the first time in American history that the federal government prosecuted private criminal acts over the jurisdiction of local and state governments during this time. The forty second congress was in recess but grant urged them to convene an emergency session in early March in a letter to the speaker of the House. Grant wrote if the attention of Congress can be confined to the single subject of providing means for the protection of life and property. I feel that we should have such legislation. Democrats were fierce in their opposition fearing that. The true aim grants agenda was not protecting former slaves. It was establishing. Republican dominance in the south as one Democrat Congressman said. In a speech many of you would rather see the president dictator today than to see the Democratic Party. Come into power. Expose the outrageous acts. Your party has committed. The press was critical to the Chicago. Times wrote the grant was the chief of a Ku Klux Klan. More powerful than that of the South Democrats nicknamed the President Kaiser Grant but as the opposition mounted many came to grants defense. Frederick Douglass wrote if we stand by President Grant and his administration it is from no spirit of hero worship or blind attachment to Mir party. But because in this hour there is no middle ground. Grant is for stamping out. This murderous Ku Klux as he stamped out the rebellion ultimately the pro grant. Republicans won the Dan. Congress in April eighteen seventy one grant signed into law the Ku Klux Klan. The bill laid out harsh penalties for those who violated the fourteenth amendment. If state governments refused to enforce the law the Ku Klux Klan Act gave grant the right to intervene to declare martial law suspend Habeas Corpus and deploy troops to the south. The Ku Klux Klan Act came under heavy fire especially in the south but grant was vociferous in his defense of the bill calling it a long extraordinary importance. The war against the Klan was multifaceted. Congress passed the law. The president provided troops the Justice Department provided lawyers judges and federal marshals Ackerman's charged to his department. Was this. If you cannot convict you at least can expose and ultimately such exposures will make the community ashamed of shielding the crime. Throughout this time Ackerman's Justice Department brought over three thousand indictments and well over one thousand convictions. Against the clan countless others went into hiding testified against their own or pled guilty to avoid lengthy jail sentences. This was grant's war against the clan. And it would last. Throughout the end of his first term and by eighteen seventy two the KU KLUX KLAN. Would be all but decimated as Frederick Douglass would write pieces. Come to places as never before the scourging and slaughter of our people have so far ceased but grants war against the clan. Though successful had unintended consequences it gave new life to a Democratic Party. That had been on the rope since the impeachment of Andrew Johnson in eighteen sixty eight as Democrats began to unite around their opposition to Federal Intervention Force Greeley and the conservative Republicans began to unite in their opposition to grant's presidency if president grant posture towards the south strain the bonds of loyalty inside the Republican Party is conduct is president would cause it to break fresh on the heels of his victory over the clan. President grant would face a slew of political scandals. That were divided his party. We can his presidency and threatened to derail his prospects for a second term. Winky game is sponsored by the great courses plus one thing that's clear about presidential elections and more and more so is that the truth is often hard to find the skeptics guide. To American. 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President Grant sits at his desk tirelessly working pouring over letters. Dispatches and official documents and aid is close by his side standing at the ready should. The president requires services. Grants work is interrupted by some knock at the door and gross with his work grant silently nods to his aid as if to say at the door. Gay does as he's told and opens the door revealing servants standing the hall. Pardon the interruption sir. There's a visitor here to see the president. The eight runs interference. And who is this visitor? He's a stranger to me Sir weapon. I'm afraid the president is busy. What should I tell him? Sir Tell the stranger that that the president is out suddenly grant stops work and calls out no startled at his outburst the Aden. The servants share curious. Glance grant rises to his feet. Do not tell him that. Mr President you said you did not want to be disturbed today. Yes I did say that and I stand by it then what message. I send the gentleman sir. Grant Turns to The Servant Tele Gentlemen. I'm engaged with my work and must be excused. Yes Sir right away sir. Without the servant exits grant returns to his desk immediately. Dies right back into his work. After a moment. The eight approaches Mr President. I am quite busy. Pardon me but why not make an excuse sir? Surely you of all people can be forgiven for that. Grant stops his work. I never lied for myself and I do not want anybody to lie for me. I make myself clear the story of grant refusing to tell ally to visit. Her is perhaps Apocryphal. Even so the story brings into focus an interesting dichotomy ulysses s grant a man known for his uncompromising honesty saul his presidency engulfed by corruption graft and political scandal. The explanation at least in part might be found in a quote about grant from one of his childhood friends who wrote he thought every man as sincere as himself if grant was honest and sincere many in the orbit of his presidency. Were not yet. Grant was trusting man and he himself would later right. I have made it the rule of my life to trust a man long after other people gave him up. Grant first term was a preamble to what Mark Twain would later dub the gilded age a period of rapid growth and change the economy technology government and culture the term refers to the Gilding of cheaper metal with a thin layer of gold but with good came the bad rapid growth also brought with it unprecedented corruption and questionable ethics federal patronage. A practice where a politician after winning election gives government jobs to his supporters friends and relatives as reward for their support dated back to the days of Andrew Jackson and his so called Spoil System from their federal patronage grew into something of a Washington pastime for many the term federal patronage was a euphemism for another word bribery. The practice had thrived under Andrew. Johnson's administration and the trend continued under president. Grant as Grant Attorney General Amos. Ackerman wrote the real vice of the present system is the patronage of members of Congress. Many of them think that their business here is not to make laws but to make appointments grant had made some efforts to change the system. Though in October eighteen seventy he had told Congress. There is no duty which so much embarrasses the executive in heads of departments as that of appointments nor is there any such arduous and thankless labor imposed on senators and representatives as that of finding places for constituents with the help of Congress granted even created the first ever Civil Service Commission a government watchdog charged with the task reform not surprisingly the biggest opponents to civil service reform were in Congress. Federal patronage was Congress biggest piece of leverage in Washington according to Ohio Congressman and future president. James Garfield many of grant's biggest supporters furious at nonce to reform Garfield wrote grant must back down or offend his defenders for the most part grant did back down in his heart of hearts he was no true reformer of the federal patronage system. He would later write. You cannot call a corruption. It is a condition of our representative form of government. And yet if you read the newspapers and hear the stories of the reformers you'll be told that any asking place is corruption throughout grant's first term. The Republican Party was standing shifting sands while grant carried forward the torch of equal rights and sought to finish the job of reconstruction conservative Republicans. Like Horace Greeley. The editor of the Tribune began to distance themselves. Though it might sound like a misnomer to the modern ear these conservatives would call themselves the liberal Republicans and this budding faction would turn on grant and the election of eighteen seventy two but the liberal Republicans were not the only emerging faction in the Republican Party. Grant's first term also saw the rise of a new breed of Republican the stalwarts faction of largely pro business pro establishment anti-reform Republicans so as the Liberal Republicans began to turn away from the Republican Party. Grant needed the stalwarts. In his corner. Though the stalwarts were less driven by ideology than radical Republicans the stalwarts were largely suspicious of southern power. Like grant many stalwarts believed that the Democrats were trying to reverse the outcome of the civil war. This made the stalwarts. Invaluable allies to the grant administration and one of their leaders was a New York congressman named roscoe conquering in the early eighteen seventies. There were two major Republican power players in New York two Senators Reuben. Fenton a leader of the newly formed anti grant fashion the liberal Republicans and Roscoe conquering a leader of the stalwart faction. There was no doubt which camp grant was in grant said of conquering. He has the greatest mind that has been in public life. Since the beginning of the government grandson would write conquering and my father loved each other. They were devoted and conclaves. Devotion was quite unselfish for this loyalty. Grant gave conquering a massive reward. Grant appointed a man named Thomas Murphy as the Customs Collector of New York Murphy was a concrete man. His appointment gave Roscoe conkland control of the New York Custom House a lucrative enterprise with plenty of available patronage jobs. That could be used bargaining chips. Fundamentally Murphy's appointment made conquering the King of New York politics and allowed him to command hundreds of well paying jobs in New York Jobs. He could dangle over the heads of potential. Supporters Grants Motivations. In the appointment were not entirely unselfish as always. New York was a key electoral state not to mention the New York state elections were in November eighteen. Seventy one and it was important to grant that stalwart Republicans loyal to him favored well in the state election. But after grant tap Murphy conclaves nemesis. Senator Fenton tried to block. Murphy's appointment as the New York Times reported Senator Fenton and his friends viewed Murphy's nomination as a direct blow at them. The Times went on to report on both sides. The contest at Washington has been conducted without the slightest possible reference to the wishes and welfare of this city or even the welfare of the Republican Party. The whole affair has narrowed down to a struggle for advantage between the two New York senators when the Senate convened an executive session to debate murphy's Nomination Fenton went on the attack. He produced newspaper articles outlining. Murphy's unsavory pass including his shady business dealings during the war conquering fired back. He stood before the senators and proclaimed it is true. That Thomas Murphy is mechanic patter by trade that he worked at his trade in Albany supporting an aged father and mother and crippled brother and while he was thousand gauge there was another who visited Albany and played a very different role concrete. Then produced evidence that showed Senator Fenton as a young man and stole twelve thousand dollars the equivalent of nearly two hundred thousand dollars today by producing court documents that prove Fenton's illicit behavior and exposing his hypocrisy conquering successfully. Perry FENCE ATTACK. Murphy easily won the nomination but after the incident publication called the nation attacked Murphy. Still calling him a hack politician unfit for any trust. The nation was at least to an extent not far off the mark after Murphy's appointment communications between Murphy and the White House show that federal patronage was alive and well one message to Murphy from. Grant's personal secretary read. My only desire is to see you distribute the patronage of your office as to render the most efficient service to the country and the calls the administration according to newspaper reports at a private meeting in November eighteen. Seventy grant thank Murphy for his efforts to secure the success of the Republican ticket in the Lake Campaign New York. It's worth mentioning that the source of the story was the New York Tribune found by liberal Republican leader. Horace Greeley regardless the facts. Show that Murphy stacked on your Custom House with men. Moyle to Roscoe Conklin grant defended Murphy as a man of honesty and zeal but in the end because of political pressure Murphy was forced to resign under a cloud of suspicion. Murphy's replacement though was no more palatable to grants opponents he tat Chester Arthur a prominent lawyer and future President Arthur continued businesses. Usual and for his efforts he earned fat salary. Fifty thousand dollars a year over nine hundred thousand in today's dollars. Horace Greeley called Chester Arthur. Tom Murphy under another name. Ultimately Congress would investigate the New York custom house which many suspected grant had set up as a tool to influence the outcome of the eighteen. Seventy two presidential election after congressional hearings. The most damning testimony came from none other than the infamous newspaperman. Horace Greeley really claim that roughly one hundred employees at the custom house had been jettisoned in favor of men loyal to conquering the New York Custom House. Ring as a came to be called was the first a long list of political scandals that ensnared the grant administration grant was never personally implicated but many of the scandals reached into the upper echelons of his administration grants Vice President Schuyler. Colfax had accepted stocks as part of the credit mobilier scandal a scheme to siphon off profits made from the building of the transcontinental railroad grant would defend coal faxes integrity but in the end. Colefax will be forced to step. Aside in the upcoming election of eighteen seventy two the seemingly never ending onslaught of scandals. Mar Grant's reputation and it added fuel to the fire. Burning in the liberal Republican faction these liberal Republicans were already frustrated by grants reconstruction policies and what they perceived as his limp attempts at pushing for civil service reform by the summer of eighteen. Seventy two liberal Republicans were tired of what they called grant him. A term that became synonymous with corruption. So in early. May Eighteen seventy two the liberal Republicans Hella Convention in Cincinnati Ohio on the six ballot. They selected their presidential nominee. Horace Greenlee. The Convention chose Missouri Governor begats Brown. To Be Greeley's running. Greeley was a controversial choice. He was a novice politician who had only served in Congress for a brief time like many liberal Republicans. He was a fierce advocate for southern conciliation and self-government whereas many Democrats called it home rule but greely was wishy washy at best one of the central tenets of the Liberal Republican Movement Civil Service Reform. It is perhaps ironic. That Greeley wants a true friend to the abolitionist cause was selected to lead a political movement. That espoused honest government and in the same breath turned his back on the promises. Government made to Black America Greeley had once aligned with radical Republicans and had been an advocate of immense patient by eighteen. Seventy two really changed his tune among other things he called black Americans a worthless race. Greeley presented a platform that called for the southern states to reign supreme over the federal government. At labeled the Ku Klux Klan Act as a gross example of federal overreach President Grant was disturbed by the platform and he wasn't alone. The famous abolitionist. Wendell Phillips wrote Liberal Republicanism is nothing but Ku Klux Klan Ism disguised even some liberal Republicans were disturbed by Greeley's nomination. One of them from Ohio wrote that grant is an ass. No Man can deny a veteran ass than a mischievous idiot. Grant to held a low opinion of Greeley writing to a senator Mr Greeley simply disappointed man and not being estimated by others at the same Ballyhoo places upon himself he attaches to himself the fawning deceitful and dishonest men of the Party in early. June of eighteen seventy two. The Republican Party held its convention in Philadelphia when grants name was put before the delegates. The pack convention erupted and Raucous. Applause was nominated unanimously. His Vice President Schuyler Colfax Mar by his connection to the credit. Mobilier scandal declined reelection in his place. The Convention chose Massachusetts senator. Henry Wilson a man with a reputation for being above board platform state of the grants. Glorious Record of the past is the party's best pledge for the future a month later in July of eighteen seventy two. The flailing Democratic Party convened its national convention. Democrats had still not fully recovered from the impeachment of Andrew. Johnson grant had trounced their nominee in the election of eighteen. Sixty eight and public support for Democrats was waning and so the Democrat delegates. Did something truly unexpected? They join forces with a liberal Republicans and nominated the Greeley Brown ticket. It was an unusual choice. Greeley had been a ferocious opponent. Democrats he wants famously said all. Democrats are not horse thieves but all horse thieves are Democrats a familiar refrain. That has been echoed in one form or another for generations in politics. Many Democrats gobsmacked agree these nominations one prominent New York lawyer wrote. This is the most preposterous and ludicrous nomination to the presidency ever made on this continent. Even the chair of the Democratic convention called Greeley's nomination a stupendous mistake difficult to comprehend. Still the chairman encouraged delegates to rally behind the Greeley Brown ticket outlandish as it seemed to many really had a legitimate chance of winning the Electoral College. But only if you could siphon off just enough Republican votes only Democrats supported him unanimously as one prominent Democrat explained if the Baltimore Convention Puts Greeley in our hymn book. We will sing him through if it kills us with the unholy alliance between the Liberal Republicans and the Democrats intact. Greeley would take his message directly to the people in a stark break from president. Greeley would make hundreds of speeches and launched what was arguably one of the most aggressive political campaign tours in American history. Ricky game is sponsored by pretty litter. I had a little dinner party this weekend. And as usual the star guest was my cat vincent so when asked how old he was and I didn't really know I had him will Hadn't before my daughter was born before my marriage. 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Seventy two would in essence turn back the clock to before the civil war and damaged the progress the country had made with the thirteenth fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments. Grant wrote it would've been better never to have made a sacrifice of blood and treasure to save the Union than have the Democratic Party come in power now and sacrifice by the ballot with a bayonet seem to have accomplished grant believed the surest path to victory was to follow in the tradition of George Washington and stay out of the political frame in July of eighteen. Seventy two he wrote to his supporter. Senator Roscoe conquering my judgment is that it will be better than I should not attend any convention or political meeting during the campaign. It has been done as far as I remember by. Two presidential candidates grant was referring to Stephen Douglas in eighteen sixty and his opponent in the previous election of eighteen. Sixty eight Horatio Seymour. Grant wrote both of them were public speakers and both were beaten. I am no speaker and I don't WanNa be beaten. Unlike grant though Greeley was a gifted order and wordsmith as Harriet Beecher stowe said of him meekest he looks no man living readier with a strong sharp answer in a departure from the political norms of the day really attempted to wheeled his considerable talents on the campaign trail from the back of a train car. A mode of campaigning that would be repeated for decades to come. Greeley gave hundreds of speeches in front of thousands of spectators in one eleven day period alone. Greeley gave over two hundred speeches at these events. Greeley advocated for southern self rule and conciliation. He took shots at grant's reconstruction policies and attacked. Grant's character calling him a drunk. Even though as president grant had largely remained sober dreams invective. Oh did not sway the minds of many as one gram support commented if it be true that a Beasley drunkard without a sense of decency can successfully conduct. Great campaigns can win great battles and can raise himself from insignificance to be an lieutenant. General and president. What is the use of all this fuss about sobriety? In the end Greeley speeches did more harm than good. He was gifted wordsmith but he was prone to fits of passion has rhetorical style was off putting many especially when it came to his racist notions in September of eighteen. Seventy two future president. Rutherford B Hayes remarked Driulis Foolish speeches must surely weaken him and destroy chances. He had among those put off by grease public remarks was a determined resourceful political activist named Susan B. Anthony and advocate for women's rights and temperance. Horace Greeley was a strong opponent of Susan B. Anthonys. Life's work female suffrage after the Democrats nominated Greeley Susan B. Anthony had remarked. The mountain has brought forth. It's mall. She was not enthusiastic supporter of president grant in large part because of his history with alcohol but as she told a reporter I do not admire grant and do not care to see a fast man at the head of the nation but principles to me are more than individual character so November of eighteen seventy two as election day drew near Susan B. Anthony was determined to voter. Principles voted against Horace Greeley whether it was legal for her or not. It's November first. Eighteen seventy two Susan B. Anthony Walk into a barber shop in Rochester. New York woman non-commission. Three of her sisters follow her through the door. This barbershop. Dumber is a local polling centre distracted. Young man in his twenties works the polling table. At the back of the barbershop. Anthony calls out to him from across the room. Excuse me is this a place where a citizen registers vote confused. The young man calls back. Yes ma'am it is. What can I do for you without a word? Anthony makes a beeline for the registration table. What is your name Sir? Mr Jones Beverly Jones Mr Jones. I should like to register to vote young man's mouth fall slightly agape he's unsure what to say exactly. Anthony tries again. I said I should like to register to vote. Yes ma'am of course but as you know. Only men have the right to vote in New York. Mr Warner the election supervisor over. Here's the conversation. He saunters over quietly and observes from a safe distance. Tell me Mr Jones. Are you familiar with the Fifteenth Amendment? I am I am a citizen of this country sir. Yes ma'am of course citizen of this country under the fifteenth amendment. I believe I'm entitled the Right. To Vote Jones feeling helpless turn supervisor Mr Warner what do sir. This woman is asking to register. Supervisor Warner can't help but admire Anthony's Moxie so with a smile he replies. Well young man. How are you going to get around that? I suppose you'll have to register to vote. Oh not only sir my sisters as well Anthony. Sisters offer politely Victoria Smiles. Well yes ma'am right away ma'am several days later on November Fifth Susan B. Anthony appeared at the polls and cast her vote for Ulysses s grant but for that crime she was arrested tried and convicted of illegal voting after the judge issued her a fine of one hundred dollars. Anthony told him may please your honor I shall never pay a dollar of your unjust penalty and indeed. She never did the men who registered her were also convicted and spent five days in jail. Anthony Appeal to president grant a pardon. The men and grant was more than happy to oblige. Susan B Anthony had bagged the Republican National Convention to endorse women suffrage in their platform. Though she'd been unsuccessful thanks to her powers of persuasion. She did get something. The platform urged the men of the Republican Party to give respectful consideration to the rights of women in return. Anthony had campaign for President Grant. She had held a rally. In New York Tober were a throng of women gathered in support of their president. You would be another fifty years before women would earn the right to vote with ratification of the nineteenth amendment. In addition to the backing of the suffragettes grant also enjoys strong support from black Americans. Frederick Douglass actively campaigned for grant as did many black leaders white abolitionist across the country. Wendell Phillips charged black-americans. Vote every one of you for grant if greely is elected arm concentrate. Conceal your property but Organiz for Defense. You will need it soon. Throughout the campaign grant remain confident. He would win. When one of grant's supporters expressed concern that greenlee might edge. Amount grant laid a map on table and mark the states. He believed he would win. Grant Mark Thirty one of thirty seven states as the concern supporter would later explain. When the election came the result was the grant carried every state that he said he would all thirty one of them grant received nearly fifty six percent of the popular vote beating Greeley by eight hundred thousand votes. No candidate had performed so well. Since Andrew Jackson in eighteen thirty two and with Greeley's measly sixty six electoral votes no candidate would perform as poorly for another sixty years. Greeley was devastated by the election. His life was already in shambles. He had been forced out is editor of the paper. He founded the New York Tribune and on top of that his wife Mary Greeley and passed away during the campaign. Shortly after the election. D- really was committed to a mental hospital where he would die some three weeks later because his death occurred before. The presidential electors convened Greeley Sixty. Six electoral votes were divided between four. Democrats out of respect. Three electors cast their votes for really Congress did not accept their votes. Greeley's death signified. The end of the Liberal Republican Movement but Democrat resistance to the grant administration would only deepen during his second term in the lead up to the eighteen seventy two contests grant had survived a slew of political scandals and had emerged victorious but during his second term rance presidency would be undone by one of the biggest scandals in American history. The whiskey ring this scandal would threaten the Republican Party's dominance tarnished president. Grant's legacy leave the door open for Democrats once again sees the reins of power on the next episode of wicked game the election of eighteen. Seventy six after the whiskey ring scandal. Republicans cut ties with President. Grant turn instead to Rutherford B Hayes with you watching too close to call in order to keep the White House. Republicans strike a Faustian bargain. 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Margaret Cho on Sexuality, Race and Stop Asian Hate- Just The Sip 05/05/21
"Hello everybody and welcome to justice. Zip i am your host addressed. So bester i am back. I am ready and today. I'm taking a sip with someone. I have admired for many years. This woman has shaped how. I felt about comedy time and time again with her. Stand up routines with her appearances in some of my favorite shows. And i'm so glad to have her here for asian american empire civic islander heritage month. Please welcome the one on the margaret. Show you guys. Margaret show is in the house. I have loved this lady for so long. And i'm so happy i get to sit across from. I wish we weren't in a damn pandemic and we could have been sipping a cocktail at this office. I know. I wish. I wish i wish i wish how everything been. It's good for what it is. I'm fully vaccinated which she's excited. I'm i'm really glad i'm really grateful. Almost all the people that are really important to me are fully vaccinated at. We're so ready. We're so ready to just get out there. The greatest thing happened to me my booty call that i've had for two years. Just texted me told me that. He got his second vaccine. So yesterday was a very great day for me. And i'm so glad i i. I never in. My life would have thought at thirty three years old. The thing that got me out of bed you know what i mean. I i know a single endemic. I have a new. But it's not like ju somehow really love being kind of single on paper. I think that's really the best feeling but at the same time. I enjoy companionship. So it's really. I have the best of both worlds. I think but how did that work out for you because i know i have. One of my closest friends is asian and every time we have parents we could see them they could be in a coma they will wake up and say when going to get married we could be in the grocery store and it's like when you're going to get married. She can win a nobel peace prize at her mother. Would say congratulations. But when are you gonna get married. My parents are super upset about it but at the same time they've never been able to really figure out my journey terms of partnership and they also accept everything that i do. Is they know this is like this is the new world. This is a new person. This is a new life and a new country. Still you know they've been here for sixty years i but you gave them no choice. Like if you're a comedian at fourteen euro taking from experience and i make your parents were like all right. This is margaret. We have a grandchild. But we're gonna have a happy healthy and well adjusted young lady. Yes and there are really. I mean they trust me now. I think which is really important. So i think that's really what it's all about you. I mean but the i'm selling them offense. I think bisexual are real people. Most people like really question it because they can't see a pass. There's a lot of people use the term bisexual in order to soften the blow. Yes yes i did it. I was one of those people. That's hard for hooper. Yeah def how did you know. How do i know what. I knew at a young age at a man. You know what i mean but i feel like as a girl. I think. Most of my girlfriends my sister. I thought everybody had that girl crush. You know when your thirteen-year-old girl crush on somebody and you don't know what it means that you're going through the whole thing how did you go through your journey and come out of it and say okay. I like both well. I started as a lesbian so to me. It was really like the nineties. I had long jean shorts. I had cain on one shoulder and on the other shoulder. Big doc martens boots you much as budge and i would not stop coming out like you know like i'm like it was real queer nation penn. Step it was like really like flat. Silence equals death. We're here to fight aids with our gay brothers. Were here to like change. The world it was very revolutionary time for gayness you had to really komo houses i was like like it was like a real questioning of it and then then i was straight for awhile blue tracksuit. Some odds of flip phone. She was straight for minute with the cadillac. She got a while she got us. Wawa see got to our scraper. Minute wait it was really lake of finding out you know. It was a fact-finding mission. Yeah but i love that. We live in place and a generation. Now where you can do that openly and you can change your pronouns. Monday and change back on thursday. Because you know you're back in this race and you know it's so interesting because i feel like hollywood is normally late to the party like we still have gay men who are in the closet and don't wanna come out and are marrying women because they don't wanna lose their careers yet the youth. Is you know acting like a singer every other day like i'm also bisexual pan. Sexual tries to extra out not beat right. I think younger people also really have got a going on like they know what their freedoms are. And that's really amazing. You know they're Nonni they're owning up to like all of the different parts of themselves that's powerful. They can good lesson. I think we've been involved. I think we revolved. I think that we are teaching people. That being authentically yourself is nothing to be ashamed of are afraid of but i also see where people use. Their gain is as a tool to sound in commercialize themselves. I mean i think it's i think it's great though like it's like whatever it's used to kind of just like make it publicly known that qurna says cool. I love it if there are like all terrier motives. It doesn't really matter because somebody else is going to hear it and be like. Hey you know what. Maybe maybe i am. And then they'll realize that they are and that's what they've been like searching for. I mean yeah. I think you're ultimately right As an asian female comedian. I feel like for people to take you seriously. You had to work three times as hard as any guy in the industry. Probably probably but i also know that anybody who is kind of other showbusiness is that we do have to work harder to get half of the recognition but it only makes us better artists like i'm not opposed to work and i'm not opposed to kind of proving what i can do. Because that's what the whole point of it is so it is just the journey in the way it's kind of formed but i'm okay with Working on my skill and and selling that part of my art so you know it's fun. I often wonder this. Because you know somebody who is Comedian adjacent i used. And i leaned into the black stereotypes. You know in my own form of comedy and getting ahead in hollywood. And i look back and i questioned myself at times. I wonder did. I play into the stereotypes that we hate now because i am not only embraced it but i use it in my own. Stand up do you ever wonder if you did the same thing. Sure why not. I mean because it's like these curricula of who we are were used to oppress for so long we use them because it's the language of two white people so i knew like it's fine. I don't i don't question it. Because i know that it's a way to communicate identity to Simple of stereotypes are just sometimes the way that we're understood by the mainstream community and and so if that's a way to get in the door it's perfectly viable because it's like if it's used to oppress were able to use it to gain an advantage and get in there so that we can show our true selves you know it's now to introduce identity but it's also definitely problematic in a lot of ways you know i've been around show business for thirty five years and so you have to. You know you have to change with the times and understand that race is ever changing in the face of white privilege and we're learning more and more you know i always say if somebody else is gonna do it. Who's not a part of my culture in there's gonna make money off of it in profit off of it. Why can't i and why shouldn't we as a community. I also say don't come from. I struggle unless you've been through it so unless you've been gay black man in south louisiana inch. Don't ask me why i'm doing it again. Don't try and that's that's where it becomes an issue is when people start to try but they've never had to live it right and so we're really part of the journey. And the story of who we have emerged through centuries of oppression and centuries of pain and so it's very. I think it's very meaningful to question ourselves but also to know that it's okay. Yeah i read somewhere. And i can't believe this even happened to you but when you were on all american girl you talked about how you had to lose thirty pounds in two weeks. Who the head the conversation with you. Who had the gall like this. I mean it was harvey weinstein. That was like thirty pounds in two weeks. I need to know who it was harvey. You lose it. I mean. I think that the amount was pressed dot me louis. The urgency of like. Do it quickly. Like do it as fast as you can. Because this is television and we look at television it was different than there was only four channels but a very narrow view of who asian women were as women were traditionally vary like samal submissive things. But i am not in any way. So they're trying to contain me and try to make me sort of for white audiences because they just didn't know what asian people would be accepted as our how would be accepted so there was a fear around it like we didn't realize spat hikes wasn't a person. It was really the ideas of television of women. The ideas of what they were doing in the tv show that they were trying so it wasn't like a person in that was like saying it was a pressure of everything going on around you. Yes and it set off a lifetime of like serious like eating issues you know. Fortunately now it's kind of like. I don't care but it's very much Part of hollywood and how women were viewed in the nineties. You know if. You're looking at the era of like kate. Moss and grunge and like there was like a lot of feminist empowerment but at the cost of light audio. Connie we we have this sort of body acceptance that we have more for sure. Well i mean on one channel one of the biggest shows ever ally mcbeal. You had kaliszan flockhart. You know all of the actresses back. Then the waif was in. There was no j. Lo there was no kardashian. Were none of these women who had curved it out. You know and i totally understand that. But i love how you love how you put it in perspective like there were four channels. I'm might look up with arson. Wells like a very different era and a different Different motives to keeping women contained you. Now we know more certainly you must have had the time of your family live in the nineties with no smartphones being famous and being funny you have gotten kicked out of every after party. She was real cute in the ninety s and things that went down But also it was sad because i didn't like the way that i looked. I didn't really enjoy being different. You know. I was like sad. That i was like the only asian person they're here. It was scary. And i didn't really love the way that i looked at didn't really love who i was and i didn't get to enjoy my youth. We didn't take any pictures. Like if you took a picture you would have to take it to the drugstore and get it developed. I need those days. It's really saw if you like. What's it gonna meet somebody you had to go. You couldn't them five minutes. You had to go and you wanted to go to something you would like to read about it in the newspaper and circle it with a pen. Saw you go there with a map. Oh i grew up in the grew up in the night. Well the two thousands is when i like hit my stride so i couldn't imagine booty call in with the thomas murphy guy trying to get all over. La you know. It was really wasn't easy when you would have to meet somebody in a chat room by the way. Let's talk about meeting somebody in a chat room because for some reason we acted leg. We didn't see dateline like we didn't know that people went missing for meeting dudes in chat rooms. I was pretty lucky. Like i didn't have any situations like that. Fortunately for whatever reason everything kind of worked out. Ok but yeah. I think it became dangerous later and also i was a full on adult like. I was in my late twenties thirties. Before i even started with that. So barriers marlboro. So if margaret tro went missing for three days people will be like yeah. There was a lot there that i was like. I guess it just became because it's like so faceless and anonymous. I was sixteen when verse met someone in a chat room. And just talk to him a little bit. I never ever bid the bullet and actually met up with someone on a chat room. But i remember thinking. Oh my god. If people ever found out i was i- chatting in a chat and would ever even consider eating with a random person like just a thought process and like natalie halloway had like happened when i was in is so i had all of those things going through my head. Craigslist killer happened at. Yes sir. I was living in the you know. It's just like i wouldn't go on it now but back then you do it. I don't know there was something about it. That was less illicit. I got you. There was something that was just more innocent but of course now it's just too scary. It's so crazy. Because i remember when online dating became coo all of a sudden like i remember being in high school and college and having my aunt online dating and everybody would be like what are you doing. Are you not scared by what's going on. Are you crazy. And they were ahead of their time and she would meet guys and go to dinners. And then every now and then there'd be a big red flag but people used to judge people for online dating in now it's our primary way of meeting people. Yeah it's crazy it's crazy but it's also of course it's like a technology proceeds everything now. Yeah if i think it's great. I love technology. Because i feel like especially with this podcast. I've been so lucky. That in the black lives matter movement. And the george floyd brianna taylor's i have been able to not only pivot it and bringing these stories and people's feelings about it to life. I've also been very lucky that the audience that follows me listens to me. They're open to hearing these in this type of way. And i heard that on the margaret. Show the mortal minority. You're going to be doing the same thing. And bringing some forgotten asian stories to forefront again. What was your thought process behind that. Well marta minority had been a segment on my podcast in the first season. Now we've just brought it to be the primary subject because the rising cases of asian american hate crimes over the last year but also the historical context of all of the hate crimes that happened and also not just perpetrated against this but perpetrated by us. So there's a lot of history that i had no idea about that. I wanted to learn about and discuss and also her moat these different Organizations that are helping the victims of hate crimes overall like for you know the increase of paranoia around the coronavirus and it's just an excuse really for people out but it's important because a lot of technologies helped us understand that hate crimes are alive and well and it's really crazy how we've allowed it to happen for so long and so. I think that technology has really helped us. Hopefully when we actually come back to you know really open society. Then we'll come to terms with our own by season. Prejudices that exist within our society. In ourselves i mean look. I'm the first to say you know black people as a commute as a whole sometimes we are hard on ourselves and hard on the people that looked like us when it comes to color ism within the black community when it comes socioeconomic situations in the black community so i always say you know we. We need a really. You know if we're going to save black lives matter. We need to make sure that we say black trans lives matters and black in the darker. Black lives matters and these things happen and i think a lot of times. You're talking to a friend of mine. Who was on this show just a few weeks ago. Aaron lim roads you know. She was very open and honest about the inner race. Racism in the asian community and it was one of the first times. I had actually heard an asia. Person actually talk about it because you know it's kinda like us what happens in fight club stays in fight club but the huge problem and it's really it has to do with a lot of like historical struggle between our nations of origin. And it's like old by sees that come. And don't help us out as uniting as asian americans so we have to really root it out. And that's why i think the first step in learning to cope with. Racism is look at the racism within our own beings. Yeah that's really important. So yes it's crazy for asian americans and asian people. I feel like again. I'm talking about my friend. Who enlighten me. You know the asian way was put your head down. Don't make too much noise and keep on going. What's it finally feel like to say. We're not going to just put our heads down anymore. We are going to stand up and fight. it's very freeing and it's very cathartic and it's really. I mean it's time and i'm really great for glam of a bet. You feel like in some way because you have this platform and because you are actually calling you margaret show you have to. You can't just sit around and do anymore. Yeah and it set so gratifying to see so many people be supportive of it and to look to stopping asian hate as as being a real movement than are a real motivation. So yes it's great. I love that what's influence movie going on. Paper then net. Money is it's Comedy that was written by elisas lead singer. She stars in it and she's great and it's all about this relationship that sets a true story that she had with Somebody who it's a very intricate story. It's crazy we could all identify jays really funny and it's a really cool movie and hope people watch it will be out. Pretty su- margaret. I'm bummed. You said something that is going to stick with me for like a week but i remember that when you were coming up and you were supposed to be enjoying this ride to the top that you never felt like you just never felt comfortable there which is sad to me because i always imagine you in my head as being the one who finally gets. That party started by. Oh margaret chosen house bitch. It's about the get crazy. The key i that's what i think When thinking you so getting a chance to enjoy that kind of bums me out a little bit sad i know. Do you enjoy now. When you won't get cable cottrell. Yeah i really live it. I mean now it's like you've got to enjoy it and that's why try to explain to younger people like you've got a really embrace your beauty your joy yourself find what it is that makes you happy at really to just feel good because life goes by really fast but let me ask you this. Do you think if you weren't let's say you were. Cpa let's say you weren't favors. Let's say we never saw the standup comedy. We've never seen this accident city. We had never seen all those things. Do you think that insecurity would have been as strong as it was. Because i think is it a womanly thing girls. Go through that it's society it's society Towards women it's the way the times were you know. the invisibility. I think that if i was young person now i would definitely have an easier time of it. Because we have more of an idea of like the media exp- expressing different identities is being joyful all and also social media helps a lot too. So we're more engaged as a society to reflect back. What is true. And so. I think that's really helpful but That's only been in the last few years really for sure. I mean as a kid. I thought i was less than because i had darker skin is sometimes used to lie when i go on dates and say that i was biracial because i i assumed in south louisiana and in my mindset you know when you grow up and people value lighter skinned black people your whole life it gives you a complex and when people talk about. Can you believe that she would brighten her skin and she would bleach this and she brought that i'm like i can't believe it because i know that little inside feels like and i know what it sounds like when you tell yourself. You're not good enough because you're too dark. If bad boys was a tiny bit louder are i had been through one or two more other things in life. I may be would have taken that step in life but i. I didn't experience with that person experience because she felt more compelled to go down that road. Yeah it's really sad. It's sad that we can't just embrace who we are at number race. The beauty of who we are and it's really that society changed so much to come around to it and it needs to come around more for show our but it's getting better. I'm so happy. You took the sip. And i'm so happy that i can talk to a real asian woman who's out there who wants change and who's it not only for herself but for other people and for other people to get this message and i can't wait to check out the margaret. Show the mortar minority. I think it's something that i need. You know why. Say if i'm not learning than a bitch is not living right. I had to learn literally. I had to learn. I am in the letter. People as dave chapelle will call us. I am the g. lgbtq bus ie a and. i find that. I'm learning so much more about my elle's about you know about the gs and the teas and everyone else and i'm trying my hardest to keep evolving because i know as a gay man. We continuously continuously Evolve you know. And i'm not afraid to say as a black person i sometimes have to educate myself on black is using it as gabrielson. I have to educate myself on gay issues because my name is not britannica encyclopedia. We're all learning. I think people are like. I need to ask you a question about what happened in eighteen. Sixty five it's like. I don't even know what happened. And they exited to black people. Just because i'm black doesn't mean i know everything but i'm working on it. I'm working on every day right me too. Well i'm gonna come on that journey with your mortgage show by march. Oh my god. We just had margaret show on this show. If you have not subscribe rate review send this podcast to your friend who needs to hear it. Who maybe has wanted to learn more about myself by margaret. Show about what's going on with asian americans right now and follow me on instagram. Trust an ace investor. I changed rightey. 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Jeffrey McNeill Merging the Worlds of Hip-Hop and Classical Music
"Hey blonde heads jeffrey mcneil. Or as he's better known. The phantom is a philly native. Who's the leader of the ormoc orchestra. Where he combines. The hip hop and classical music mcneil started on his journey at the age of eight when he mashed the beastie boys with beethoven and he's traveled the world introducing hip hop fans of classical music and vice versa. He's played with a fifty person orchestra. Seattle sold out the kimmel center and played carnegie hall. Mcneil joins the blonde for this episode of talk about his early experimental days. How people in the classical world weren't always receptive to playing hip hop his business acumen and his plans for the monarch orchestra in the future. Huge shutout blunt heads and. Thank you for celebrating philly with us. Please subscribe eight review this podcast wherever you consume your podcast. Most importantly tell your friends and sheriff's on social media if you feel so inclined that's more helpful than you know. 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So pleased to be a bartered as finally man follow guys for a while. Oh i'm really excited to be apart of this guy's a candidate not thank you as as you use. Yeah wanted to wanted to kind of kick off. You know a lot of ground to cover here. You've done quite a bit. And you've you've gone from from north philly to to plan carnegie hall and everywhere in between Wanted to start with this year and the craziness that twenty twenty has been and the guy who obviously a big part of what you do is perform live in concert halls and so forth. What was that day like in march when you realized. Oh shit this is all getting ready to change. yeah So our last live. Performance was was marched the eleventh before that we had done a show with the amazon Orchestra out in seattle so it was like sixty people on stage. It was no crazy later is found out that the outbreak out on the west coast and we had the shot on you started on your stage zero zero all right doing beep feeling jump breaking a big story not so we had done the Jamil center on on march the I had just come back from florida in my first day. Starting a new job in new york was march sixteenth data. The earth stood still so the screaming. The us man in you get to work a couple of hours daring. You know my boss walks in and says hey we gotta evacuate the building which you know You could imagine being at a megastar would like four hundred employees and getting kicked out. And you know it's over we gotta we gotta pack on brad and stuff and i. I started my home training or for the company. Since dan you once you know for me it kind of set in you know i. I quickly progress to the new normal life. A new able to do shows so i immediately started to try to make videos no just to get some music out there And started started to try to see what was what we could do. Virtually virtual shows We adjust. we just did a show in october Partly facebook facebook reached out to do some of the past performances in stuffed Started their Paid live performances to try to get back to the arts community. Dan stuff like that man. And that's that that kinda worked out well for us so now. It's just trying to find the next normal man you know we go from doing concert hall that seek three thousand people to now you have to figure out if you can if you can have tempe warning space right house on stage right. What was that a first virtual performance like of caliphs have done a few. But it's all been just me and him. You're dealing with twenty thirty different musicians. How does that. All come together for virtual performances. Now for you guys. It's is weird right. It's when you're you're you know when you when you feed off. The energy of an audience in there is not one you know you have to try to connect through a scrolling screen of people's office dope one when you have to try to find a way to reconnect and like you say it's also now me trying to direct the energy of of ten fifteen musicians. Dj you know. My wife is is is next to me on stage as well so it's a different kind of energy in you have to. You have to try to quickly adapt to it so you know where it is. One one hundred one thousand people out there. You gotta go on stage you gotta give give it all you've got so you know the people i've seen that have been able to to do that. And and just you know block everything out of dislike. All right i'm gonna be up here rocking this shit on those people who are doing well in the space everyone else who was was slow to kinda gap that's been it's been a struggle So i i look forward to the next one learning what i could have done. Better from this ask performers dim taken out him and making the next one. You know multiple amer shots only graphics like those are the things that we are quickly going to have to try to incorporate into jewish. Oh you sargra. You've been doing a lot of videos. That really cool to how much of a learning curve difficult has that been. I mean i work with a a five piece band and trying to organize five of them to do video. Segments and recordings seems impossible. Are you doing it with the amount of people you have. It's it's tough because you have to juggle peoples yet. The jobless people people's want not everybody wants to wake up in the morning and send you a video of them playing into your camera phone or something like that You know so that that first video we did we had like forty three musicians and that was man made that just made me made my head start pounding off the technical side of that and all that together. Get the hell out of here. I don't even know why attempted to do i. Halfway judah shit. I don't have to beg people videos that they get it in its vertical and not not vertical vertical on us right now horizontal so much so much easier to hold it this way but it really was it became. It became a labor of love. It's it's you know. Putting together in stringing off and then having people enjoy advise people from you know from all walks library with a look at them that this is this something really really cool not knowing all the technical there were no beside it. But i was able to grab everybody's audio mix it underneath and into all types of studio magic you know it. Sounds like one cohesive saying when you think about getting forty three musicians together all over over the planet really alma drink. I mean forty three musicians together anywhere. Sleep at four music right. No i go back to the beginning. I know the story. That's been hold You know you knew. I believe it was basically goes. Paul revere make with beethoven's fifth symphony. You you you scratch these together for a while this is. This is something that hasn't been done. That i wanna do can get back to when you realize that you know your love for both of these music Usable art forms is something that you wanted to mesh together make make music with. Yes oh I been taking piano lessons. I was a bad ass. Kid my mom got me off the street you know. Put me singing choir do like i was It was like a musical atmosphere in my house. My mom was always singing. My father had this huge record collection. S kind of how. I discovered all the soul. Music had mozart. He had beethoven in all that type of stuff mixed then i heard. Sugarhill gang's rapper's delight. You know when. I was when i was a kid and i was like this is my voice because at that time i was writing like rb songs Six seven year. Old romantic tyke a when i heard the lineups i. This is my voice. I can do this right. Like that wasn't a great singer But you know hip hop rap. And i was like is this is going to do two weeks. Later was i was right own. Cameron thomas murphy. Eighty two now back. This year was something. I was young. You know you know. Sounds like how johnny ron now. But then i remember vividly. My brother bringing home paul He brought the twelve inch. Single on on on on. The other side was can't remember the new stock but he threw it through. Paul revere in it was just like I wonder if this will go with the bbc ball. I wonder if there'd be supported. We'll go with based on the symphony. So i started had double take deck. Recorders would play the be. Put it on take scratched the beethoven over. Al's dude i was. I was hired. I took my best friend's house played a he popped the tape out through it across. They said it would never work. He said it was jack. Nobody will ever do this man. There's no way you'll be able to get anybody to listen to an end that moment. That's when i became glued to the idea. i'm going to show you. I'm going to make this work. What's that what's that guy doing. Now is style. He he does the business. Oh yeah wow what. I heard you tell the story. Never say never knew them while matama i elbow him about it every time i see. Thanks for the inspiration spread late. I was just at carnegie hall. Yeah should have been here on time my band. that'd be the other way. If it wasn't for you. I would have been watching the the eagles well not now now editing. Forty three goddamn fucking musicians video. Thanks to you you you my well yeah you know go back to because you know part of what's obviously so interesting about the about. The stories is that we're talking about two rather radically different forms of music. We're talking about you. Know eighteenth century european music and late or mid seventies sort of new york queens style of music. And i mean how did how did people take. Obviously besides just your best friend but you growing up in north philly like are people looking at you like you're listening to beethoven and people like what the hell are you listening to. It's crazy so so when you're when you're a kid and you're taking these lessons like those those styles don't seem that far right because there's there's twelve notes in it just appears how you play those notes in how you feel. those knows. it's in every form of music when you're a kid and you're you're you're listening to that it doesn't feel like like earth wind and fire is different from ozark is different from most ask like it doesn't feel like it's different but when you don't have that backdrop you know i remember was at the show. I remember walking into geez. Black house with a string quartet from the philadelphia orchestra. Man people like what is this online. What are you doing some hot pollutant bullshit on so it didn't catch all right away In even when in even when we were doing places. Like the kenneth the kimmel center stuff like that. I remember. I remember the day. I knew that we had to switch Get younger musicians. We we did. The some sauce is at at jefferson withered multiples. Autumn's the second time that we did it And we drew a bigger crowd at crummy but the musicians we had were. They were all from the philadelphia orchestra. Never like we don't wanna be a pair play in eight bar lieu of beethoven. All honestly like mind you like this. This is this is early game for us. The venue is packed. And we're like y'all this is crazy but i'm musicians arm happy and i was like yeah we. We have to do something differently. So then we started reaching out the colleges and in college as musicians in and stuff like that. And that's it really took off. Because you can see darren behind us on stated you can feel the date. Feel the music. They're playing you know when we we go the places there's you know Eighteen twenty twenty four year olds plan In the club or you know going through a piano medley didn't it includes a fifty cent in in paris on in jay z. And all that stuff into would fill in an in in the audience knows that But earlier the game it was tough because i was getting it from both sides you know about like man is this. Ain't hip hop you know. This is not hip hop is all about on my even have people who were doing the sound for the show who were were like hip hop heads. Like you'll need all that shit up there on stage man into your kinda into your overhead costs here. We go to you know a venue in cell view you know. The musicians were happy. So i was getting it from both sides. I just wanted to ask like that's one thing that i always admired about you. That that that a lot of people. Don't you know you get you get props for the mixing the hip hop in the classical. But one thing that i've always respected about more so than even that is your business action in how you figured out how to push your sound and find the audience for it for people listening. That aren't quite sure how to do that. What was steps that you took to become successful in your only because you were focused in the terminal making. You weren't going to try to different way. This is what you wanted to do. And you were like. I don't care if xyz this crowd isn't feeling it. I'm gonna find my audience And what how did you go about doing. So so for me Either guidon like even before. I really started doing the live performance thing. I started working with record promoters in and stuff like that And really started to get my head around promotion. July college radio an independent radio a day. When i started making my own records i started sending my my own records out to you know. At one point i had Some played on Up to four hundred college radio stations. At once in those audiences those deejays will give me feedback. And then i was like all right. Well if you guys are digging it can get a gig. There you know. Now reach out you know to to the performance arts You know at the colleges and say you know can i. can i perform their who From show you know college gigs. They'd pay you know they were chat. Whether it's five or five hundred people to show up to get that check was proven that you know. I figured well if they have x amount of people showing up. But i'm selling this out and you're only giving me this amount. What will happen if i read out this. Hey the overhead and then did own the box office and as with a really started to make the job right so on the first the first one we did was university of texas seats. Seven hundred people. We saw that thing like maybe four weeks you know rented it out. It'll overhead. sound was included. All add to do was get there iraq out. You know We started to grow that idea. If can do this colleges at seven hundred seats. Let's see if i can do this at a concert hall. You know with with fifteen hundred since with two thousand seats with three thousand six to nine. We started growing from there. Were furnished. You gotta find audience and that that wouldn't have happened. If i hadn't started sending sending on my music college radio and in growing it from there we really really found out audience when we realized that all the people who grew up listening to the music that i listen to hadn't died yet still out theorize or we're doing covers of stuff you know from from hip hop golden age. Those people are still there so then we started targeting that demographic in metrics are really went through the roof like our biggest demographic our women thirty four to forty five You know that's those are the grow up listening to hip hop golden age. Nato just buy tickets for themselves. They're buying ticket for their doors thereby ticket for this barter ticket for the their husbands to. Now you have a whole family showing up to watch you walk out on the it takes trauma ehrman. I got a. I'll tell everyone I have a thousand no's for every yes but my guess is in hall kennedy center general center so i'll take women so what is it about you growing. It's hard to take those thousand noes and keep going like. What is it about you your background childhood. What gives you the drive to or the strength to to have nine hundred and ninety seven nose and keep going. It really starts with I would definitely attributed to my to my mom You know we didn't have a the most able of of upbringings. Father was abusive You know my mother. Would you know she will take us in in in we will leave. You know we would. We would leave combat leave back no spent some time in a shelter. But you know my mom she. She never broke man. She you know she her. Her main thing was making show to her. Kids will were okay. You know so. That's that's where a lot of my my resilience definitely comes from us ally. I take you know with with her. Struggling away to she did to provide for for us put food on the table. You know what's what's a nobody due to me right. My mom was mom able to see you at carnegie hall. She was was hall but she was able to see I did show in. Atlanta georgia So she was able to see that. And i did a a a song called inspiration which is attributed my mom when i did that. Thankfully i was able to make it through the entire. Yeah yeah those those type songs like. I'm about four hours a done. Do those kids do this again. Made it through on. I want to ask question. I read that you were saying. Sometimes a classical musicians weren't happy that every correctly that someone took off like the music sheet and through that you when they were done with it so ban at kimmel academic center a pianist. He wasn't happy he. He decided to change the song onstage. He thought he thought the medley should should have been in the same cheap he was like. I'm gonna play it like this. And he plays it like that like so so recall. When you're up there rapidly performance and you expect to hear something. Because i take i take audio cues from from the music and all that stuff you know off the win win. Throw something off a car. It kind of throws thank goodness. I'm good at memorizing my lyrics. But i heard it in. You know. there's probably video of me somewhere. Turn around and looking at him again. Jumping back into character but you know after the after the show live on stage it is lab on stage to you know because he wanted in a specific you did a live on stage a white guy got to ask glad you setting them on what he looked like he might be russia and he might be rushing. That'd be wrong. So was that type of thing. That's when i say in the middle of that show i. That's when i realized we gotta do. We gotta do something different You know. i don't exclude. why people on on stage with entirely black officers In its it's you. Can you can feel when people feel the music that they're playing I you know there's not all black people get up right Or or can play like event sax players who can't play troy and i'm like why do you even have a sacks i what is what are you what are you doing you know so no. I drill down like if you if you don't if you don't believe in the music that you're playing you don't you don't need to be onstage with us right a question. The question i wanted to ask in terms of of music and terms of being somebody. That's again got such a varied style. When it comes to music. I remember growing up especially in eighty s. Before hip hop really went fully mainstream. People would say oh. That's not music. Oh that's not music. And you know it just. I constantly heard that and i never agreed with it and i think now. It's pretty obvious that it is and i think we've kind of come to that. But did you go through that as well at all and like the ca- because obviously you're talking to people that are in orchestras and you mentioned it earlier. Some of the people were like. I don't wanna play eight bars or whatever like a but like did did you have to kind of overcome some of that too when you're dealing with people that are more from the classical side still do as yoga. I still get the You know that's not as not really music all you You guys do gyrate on. Stays on mike. Have you seen this. Have you seen this before. Have you ever seen you know what it is that we do not not just us like have you. Have you been to an actual hip hop concert. Like if the last thing you heard was was luke in in in the eighties or something like that. You know you make you. Stick to your your. You know. there's there's a whole world of music at the part of the goal for us is to show that there he's commonality like i said there's is twelve notes. Man in the best part for me is like i said when when a mother brings her child you know to the show in the child is ten twelve in a play the cello and they see someone who looks like him on stage playing the cello whether it be something from for mozart or bombs or something like data or hip hop cover or something like that in the light towns on like hey. I could do so much with this instrument. I can take so many pass you know. That's that's you know. That's that's where it's at for us. You know cornell you know. I'm i'm up there in age man. Were certain things that i'm doing this for is not is not just for the money man is it's for. I know this is another mia out there somewhere. You know making making beats on our own or fruit loops or something like that. Who who who who needs to see. What would they would they can do. I remember seeing Gangster's paradise you brought out some you know. He brought out some straight players. They weren't playing. You know you know. Want them out. And i needed to see on my dad's the idea that i had my boy through my table. You know so. I know the impact. How about how did you stick to your guns. Like obviously for a while people were like what are you doing including your best friend like how do you how do you are you able to like how you able to keep. That was it was just not let with the idea. Just not let you go. It wouldn't because you know. I kind of tucked it. You know after that as kind of tucked a little bit. And i was still making hip hop you know with with the rupe in north philly and they would just sampling james brown and all the stuff that everybody else will sampling in my mind. I was like there's this is something different. you know. I hear something different. So i would make tapes in my. You know my my apartment in my nor just just keep them to myself for a while. Then what kinda really kicked it off was was the kimmel center. A one of our first shows was at the kennedy center. And i remember seeing it into philadelphia. Weekly when they were opening up and No eric hecker. I remember his name he was he was looking for a way to get music to different people bring a different audience and he had dabbled in it hip hop a little bit so i went down. I went down there with my demo tape. That was like listen. I need to perform. No one ever heard me up up to that point. I need to perform here. And he put me on. Put me on. Life sauce celebration. We were in the basement. It we want one. Am but i say this. My starbucks was pack. Shout the eric and once you get a taste of that once you get a taste of that success in all right i can deal with. These knows i can do with this backlash for me coming to you. Know jeeze black house or people look at me sideways. When you show up to open mic with a cello player with that. Because i know that there's a kimble center out there. The kennedy center out there in my ultimate goal was carnegie hall so i knew that that was out there at is needed to be able to stay on course be able to get their testament to your business accurate tube because those public domain samples are free. Yes what what was playing carnegie hall like me You know that. That's that's like a a goal list for a lot of musicians so it was it was it was everything that you you can imagine that it would be and then some on because for me. Yes it was. It was my personal goal. Share that with my wife. But i was able to bring twenty-five musicians. Most of which were were were of color who hadn't played there for You know in. They wrote all their friends and family. And their you know one of my one of my violinists her Eighty something eighty seven year. Old grandma flew in from denver. See her rock. No mass important. Shit jenner born shit She told me at the at the end of the show was like you know my my granddaughter almost gave up why elaine but thanks to you you know. She keeps on and she still. She's still with us to this day. getting that opportunity and again that was that was a concert or we rented it out. I was like listen. How much how much money isn't gonna cost to win. On this got to quote did a kickstarter. How much was it. How much was it. You gotta give us the number twenty five twenty thousand dollars. Twenty five thousand jesus from cheap. I result carnegie hall. This was the role that six hundred. The other room sees that that joran right now. Twenty five hundred in. That's about forty to fifty. Okay we do this. Yeah yeah we gotta do when we get back to normal. We'll do our live shows from their first. We'll just out carnegie hall. I and so. I would be remiss if i didn't ask about your partner in life ending music. Your wife phoenix Wonderful wonderful woman. I've known got started dating win. What will do thousand. Yeah so she's she's been around as long as i've known you that song. So what is it. Like to work with Your wife like you guys are the on your share shit. You know what i mean. He's on stage with you like a pretty the end either share ones. Oh yeah yeah yeah. Yeah back in the days of my call this the hip hop ages in her to kneel. You know i can do. It's it's amazing. It's amazing when you you know when you when you're rocketing your zone a look to the left and your partner. Is there in their zone. They're killing a look at you. When it's it's it's great man and what what what i lack not just not such from not to someone stays but what i lack in terms of maybe business accurate or you know she. She picks up the slack. Man she she's the person who gets everybody in line right. Like i'm i'm i'm not the one you know. I i make sure to musicians there. She's the one who's wrangling cats like. She's a woman who's making sure. I had sheet music. If you don't have to shoot music. I got this. You know you guys need to be at certain time. She's the one who's logistics. i'm. I'm more of the artsy person. You know she. She fits it up. But it's so rewarding man. None of none of us can relate to that at all. I know we're all the real the the behind the scenes through guys spreadsheets. That's us. It's it's the greatest thing man i wouldn't that's the most enjoyable part me on her and her. Participation has grown man throughout the years. you know When i started. I was partnering with An emcee from from philly russell in brazil vertigo. He was sort of like a man. He would have a few songs and You know she's sort of progressed and she would fill in but now she's she's there she's my one a on stage man a there there. There are media show. She's she kills it. People lack i'm at eur euro. Okay i'm for that man like i. I love that. I love when she gets shine. Man i i just feel i just feel so right about that. So great answer. Correct answer it maybe. Hey what's a what's crazier carnegie hall or the ginza apple store in tokyo. They're they're they're both crazy in different ways. You know if you if you have been over in japan like I went over there with preconceived notions that it was a little bit more american. I'm trying to have our conversations. But when i'm when i'm on stage performing at the apple store i looked out in. There were people who knew the words to the song mike. This is crazy like you can't communicate but this music is our is our as our communication and been edited piece japanese orchestra and i couldn't communicate with them except for the music. And you get it that way. Like music is the universal language via only person. Who was the chalice so minimally so but they played each and every song like they knew it like they had been practicing for ten to fifteen years in each solve explode seamlessly man. So it's it's a different kind of head trip but it's they're both crazy mobile that that that performance in japan and we wound up on on. Tv over there as well but it it was. It was a crazy experience. Some not japan's like another world. It's really totally. Yeah we we were in or should boo that the famous should julia crossing this. Like we are times ten. I was going to get lost. Bossom street while guy really. It's really tahoe. Those intersex it'd be like eleven o'clock at night and it is jammed packed at her. Say thousands feels like thousands of people every stoplight. Yes it's crazy it's terrifying. I would hate to especially i. It was it was. It was quite an experience. I'm curious with with coming back to the states here but the success of hamilton. That had any impact on you and your business because that is not quite the same as what you're doing but it's in the same vein as what you're doing so i would say it's probably it's probably increased our Yossi buys because some people show up thinking network hamilton. I'd like i'll i'll take the ticket Big you're gonna come out drugs like it's it's it's it's increased security Buys because you know those people will were them but it's also it's also kind of No open up. Elena we we were. We were already in but now more theaters are open to having us there. They they know when i unwanted but they they they see the viability right. They see You know no matter no matter how many tickets are selling before this kind of blew the lid off and i'm i'm okay i'll take and it's it's it's a it's a check no matter what the only thing i will say is that You know The expectation that that people think that we should be. Hamilton is is a little bit of what what we fight against. That's that's something that they catch lightning in a bottle with that all right. That's not our. That's not our way all right ready to take it to the blunt. You don't like not a great. No i can ask my question in the blunt round. Of course you know. The is rapid fire questions. Rapid-fire answers is how we every interview as do it. Where where are you getting takeout. These days i guess you're in new york right. That's okay where where which volume. I'm in queens. Okay so where. Are you going to take out in queens shoguns seafood associated. Associate these days before you were the fan of what are some of your failed. Route names the ultimate m. c. j. Oh man that's a good late seventies name blue. That's only one of them. I was there you got. Did your interest in classical music help or hinder you with the ladies in highschool. Oh it was terrible. Nobody has laid awake dreaming of naked. What's your what's your wrestling entrance music. Wow wrestler what do you want to come into the ring to to get your high. Get the fans I would probably say the song they would read on. Hell yeah hell. Yeah i like that What is your. What is your favorite instrument to hear solo problem not mixed with orchestra itself. Violent are not even close allows. Yeah so we got these twelve notes. They really work well with classical music and rock classical music and hip hop can it work with country music gangsta grass gas killing it man. The grass is there. I would definitely say it works for them. They have the banjo player. They've got a dj in their. Let me clarify that. I'm talking about fixing the worlds of country music with yeah. I don't i don't think so. Correct what album you taking with you. It's the only you could take to a desert island. P jay's a nation of millions to hold his you're going to be getting all to fight for the and i don't listen to a two or three times with johnny swim off the island. You've you've worked with apple and amazon. Which company treats their employees better. Oh apple amazon. Amazon's warehouse bro. Yeah they they pay you well after you get past a certain certain but apple apple really has a culture. Unlike unlike many apple you give us an overrated composer. Beethoven and beethoven's gets a lot of prowse man but some of his stuff After after listening to being able to pick it apart with some stuff you know kinda overrated Baldy would be my be my goal vulture. Dude who doesn't get enough blocks What do you. What do you miss about philly now that you're not here now. Cheese steaks man. i could live forever. keeping it in philly favorite mc from philadelphia main black thought rates allows go. No he's beside- besides me favored. Ncaa side effect allows that decides incredible. Get all right. Good answer if you had to. You could only pick a meal from domino's pizza or subway sandwiches. A subway actually away diet for like a year man. You lost like fifty pounds it worked. Wow that's a lotta bread isn't a bread. Yes i will get a we get the six inch. They got some good cookies man. I love to cook outs show even had cookies. That's why that's why lost fifteen pounds. Those cookies you work you talked earlier. Work with A fair number of younger people than you really alike and appreciate about this next generation. Their business fearlessness. You know it it it takes. It takes a certain amount of fearlessness to get up on stage for your first time at carnegie hall We had a six year. Old violinist. Dare you know played playing the routes. You got me fearless. Like she owned his age. She got a standing ovation by herself at the redone. Fearlessness definitely is a sobbing. I appreciate about about This is a little bit more of a heavier questions. I know we both have had some of the same political views. Does he concede or does he get dragged out by neck. I'll just to play out. I'm opening his drag-out open. 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The Market Is Shifting Cut The Fat, Not The Muscle!
"The world everyone ramsay here with us today. We have an amazing guests now. We reached out to this guy. Because i got it book read it and i crushed it in a couple hours in the reality is i was like. Oh my god. Our people need this message. So i've got mike macau wits here brought i mean he's a he's an author speaker bestselling publisher. I mean well bestselling cut. Maybe just an author speaker. I think the publisher credit high. You'll do whatever it takes the book that we're here today to talk about is is squarely looked at put money cash money in your pocket and today we got mike mike. Thank you for being here today with us. Daniel thank you so much for inviting me. I appreciate this and we were speaking briefly off. Line that we're able to do some prompted like this. This is awesome so thank you. Well we just call them up. And said hey. Let's let's me. And that's how i love his message. And the book that we're talking about is profits. I and so. I'm in a mastermind group large group and i had a friend. Send me your instant assessment. And and that's what we're going to start with. We're just mike. Why did you write the book. And how should an entrepreneur use this book. Yeah so i wrote the book because of my own struggles with entrepreneurship. It's funny when people hear stories of entrepreneurs my stories different. There's these bullet points of success so it sounds like what i've done this wonderful i i've built sold to most million dollar companies out of business of mine is acquired by a fortune. Five hundred company called robert half international. I was a multi may may self-made millionaire in my early thirties. And that's why i kind of stopped. But the the elements in between is the real story During running those businesses. I was actually losing money. Concentrates panic. I was lucky to sell the businesses. That's what saved me. But also i was rich of full ego and arrogance and that is a deadly combination. My third business as an angel investor. I blew every penny i had. I lost my house. Lost my cars the one thing. I didn't lose my family. And i'm actually shocked. They didn't leave. Because it was such a destructive phase but it also became a realization for me that i had no understanding around entrepreneurship. I thought i knew everything as my arians on. I knew very little. I develops at the profit first system for myself. Because i didn't understand how to drive profits in the business. I i thought i did. I didn't and i developed a system that worked with my natural behaviour. When entrepreneurs discover and re profit i they. I hope find a system that will serve them. Because most entrepreneurs don't know how to read income statements or balance sheets or cashless payments or any of that stuff. That's what the accountants do what we do as business owners is look at our bank account make decisions based on what we see there so i said a system that allows us to continue that behavior. Live in your bank account but will force you to make logical appropriate profitable decisions and really drive your business forward. Well what's cool about. Your story is that you've actually had exits. And that is a very small amount of entrepreneurs. Actually have. I think i think the struggle is real. I'm an engineer. You're an entrepreneur. Everybody on this audience is not to and i. Can you know when you're in a group of other entrepreneurs you realize the struggles that we have up and down the quarters without prophets. What am i good friends. Who runs a really big business sick. You know six months. Last year he couldn't take paycheck. That's a real thing. So you know what i discovered is. Revenue is actually a stress factor. Meaning the more revenue business. Generates the more stress put on the organization because revenue is obligation more revenue we generate. We're more obligated to deliver on a promise to a customer. We sell more more deliver so this stress on organization. The equilibrium comes about when we've profitability permanent profitability. You know if you're earning and retaining money it reduces that stress. Most organizations actually tried to continue to sell more more in hopes of achieving profit. But never have it so they actually acquire more and more stress for the organization hoping that is going to relieve the stress and a dozen. It's a sad truth. But i see many businesses that she i that million dollar mark has the first big goal and then they hit the five and the ten million dollars and the owner is actually under more stress than ever making less money than ever. It's a horrible reality that we exist today. Yeah well you know it's interesting. What you just said is counterintuitive because the standard business thing is revenue jurors all problems. Right more revenue causes more problems. Yeah leafy make more money make more money and we sell our way out of it. And that's a quick endorphin kick every time you close a project get a new sale. Big chunk of money comes in there is endorphin released. We feel good but by the next day. It's like we're the after this money. Go and then panic. Ensues the reasons we fall victim. There's a behavioral tendency called parkinson's law parking some theories from nineteen s studies. The use of time the more time it's made available to do something the more we consume that time but it also plays out in resources. Like i like chocolate chip cookies. If you put one cookie in front of me. I'll eat it. If you put fifteen in front of me. i'll eat more than one. So the more supply the moral consume and this is true for money to the more money that flows into our business more sales the more we start consuming so most businesses as sales increase. We'll see almost uncannily expenses. Increasing vaccine rate but the second sales falters. We are very slow to unwind. Expenses soar sales dip expenses continue. And now we have this gap which is all this debt. We start accumulating and that puts the extreme stress on an organization debt accumulation with climbing sales. There you go good. So let's dive in entrepreneur. You wrote this book for yourself to align your natural behavior with what was happening in your business. You've had exits. You're actually quite famous. That's cool your you are. I mean okay and then you wrote profit first. So we've got the instant assessment in a tool and we're going to give it away to everybody who's watching. Today you can just click the button and go right to makes website and just download it. And it's free and all that but my break down the process of determining whether you have a healthy business or or unhealthy business or a. What would you say was below that well just terminal business. I mean it's going to die and you should exit out. I would suggest that we. I have to challenge the formula. The fundamental formula all businesses run on and it is the establish profit formula. We're told daniel that sales minus expenses equals profit and of course ever knows that. Here's rob that formula. I believe is flawed. It's crushing business. Because what it tells us. Even though makes logical sense it tells us that profit comes last. Sales minus expenses equals profit and when something comes last that means in human nature. It's insignificant if i'm gonna put my health last or an exercise last or whatever it is comes last. It's a leftover. It can wait. It's the perpetual manana syndrome so the manifestation of for most businesses is we until the end of the quarter are within the month. We look at our numbers usually from a business quite frankly. It's once a year when the accountant prepares report. And i said shucks i wasn't profitable and they say well maybe maybe next year literally prophets delayed another three hundred sixty five days right. That's the problem so to shift what we're gonna do is do. Sales minus profit equals expensive. Asked the prophet. I formula sales. My profit equals expenses by. Now we're doing is we're gonna bake profit into every transaction of your business when you've assail we immediately subtract. A predetermined percent of that money allocated toward profit little cash. We transfer cash. Hide away from the business. In the business operates off the remainder. Because it's behavior when something. I it's a priority. I say i'm gonna put my health. I went on exercise first thing in the morning. The likelihood of it happening increases dramatically. Because it's put first so if your business is putting profit last you're ready on the sick list ranking businesses because you're saying the last consideration to get their business healthy we are taking our profit. I but mike i want to. I'm reinvesting into my business rolling. Yeah yeah i've got excited. I'm reinvesting so here. All the time rebus plow back pushback three common people respond to me saying but i gotta grow so my first question is will. What do you need to grow four. And they often say well to get bigger and i said well why do you need to be bigger and said to make more money. Why you make more money. So i've more profit say okay. So you're gonna do all these things to one day to get the prophet right. They say exactly. I said that's the definition putting profit last. And if you don't have as a habitual profit a process you will never achieve it. Profit doesn't as magically happen one day but that's the perception if we grow enough profitable to flip over and there are the lottery winners right. So we hear the stories in the news of how twitter has been unprofitable for ten years consecutively. But they're on the verge of being profitable they've enough investors. Those are the anomalies and the outliers. The traditional business will never get v. c. capital funding. I bet you the majority of people here have not got venture capital funding right. Probably only funding came out of your own purse. Your own pocket or maybe some friends and family but we get funded so we need to make a business. That's healthy from day. One this of grow to get prophet is wrong. The second thing though that's interesting is we now have over. One hundred thousand businesses have implant to profit. I we've over three thousand doc case studies. What we've found is that businesses that take their profit. I actually grow faster than they're industry. Contemporaries which shocking. I didn't expect that. But we found is when you start taking your profit first if forces you to reverse engineer the business you know once you take your profit. I there's less money. Expenses snaith selective. Where am i going to spend this money on now. You can't arbitrarily do it. You can't say. I'm gonna run facebook ads because everyone else does. I'm going to you know. Run an ad in the paper because everyone else does you now to say what historically has worked for organization whatever's work. Let's amplify that. We've proven quantitative numbers that support this. Let's do more of it. The other stuff is a jettison and get rid of so by taking your profit. I used to narrow down and focus on what's working we focus on what's working you start. Resonating often with more narrow community. The people that appreciate what you're doing which is called niche specialization. And probably heard this a million times. The are in the niches. The more niche specialized. You are stronger reputation. The faster you grow so take your profit. I actually grow faster. It's amazing okay. So how much profit should i make. I mean that's the question right. And i think you you've you've nailed it. Under a million ninety. six percent. businesses are under a million dollars in revenue than ever. Actually get over a million and then point for four tenths of a percent ever actually get over five million dollars so the very small group. So if i'm doing under a million. How much profit should i have. If i'm doing that in between how much and then over what should it be. So our company ran an analysis of what we call the fiscally elite businesses and we were industry agnostic and revenue agnostic meaning. We looked at pizza shops to law firms and we looked at all. Everything's the same. Thing is businesses that were literally sprang new startups and doing under a hundred thousand and revenue business. Doing million all f to fifty million and so based upon the revenue the revenue that you're generating the numbers start to change. I'll give you an example. Because i have this one memorized. Two million dollar company regards the industry we posting about ten ten percent in profit also. The owner will be taking personal salary in additional ten percent plus the business will be allocating fifteen percent topline income to reserved for the tax liability of the owners. The owner never worries about taxes again. And then the file remainder was sixty five percent goes operating expenses so okay plays out to our business. Posting two hundred thousand dollar bonus check. That's profit at the end of the year paying the owner an additional two hundred thousand dollars in compensation reserving three hundred dollars the tax liability. You're going to have and then has remainder. Which i think is one point. Three million two million to operate the business set. That gives you a sense. Okay well you had this concept in i love. I love having you on this. Because we get to pick your brain but have this concept of real revenue. Yeah is you know. And that's just an interesting perspective packers about real revenue. So this i took the counting concept of revenue mice equals gross profit so real revenue is not the same as gross profit but it works similar in a similar fashion. Here's what happened. I was meeting a homebuilder. Who is doing. I think is about thirty million dollars in revenue and he was acting like his car. Was you know a guy owns a thirty million dollar business in his lifestyle equivalent to it but he was going broke so i ask them a question. I said His name is mike by chance. I said mike. You're making thirty million dollars in revenue. I said how much of that money goes to sub contractors plumbers electricians and so forth he says oh about ten million dollars so when he gets thirty million in ten million meals going to subcontractors i said how much is going to materials like sheet rock and he goes. Oh that's another fifteen million. Or so. So i said okay of your thirty million. That comes into your company ten million. You're basically taking money from your costumers handing it over to another company. the plumber. Whatever for them to do work he said yes. I said you're taking my for customers. Fifteen million and giving it to the lumber yard or whatever to get the materials that the customers buying right. yes. I said okay. Well that means you're actually generating five million dollars in revenue. That's thirty million minus ten fifteen. So you generate five million dollars in revenue and you're being paid five million dollars to move money around on behalf of the customer. The customer could effectively hire that plumber directly or goes at the lumber yard directly. But you're just giving them that convenience of managing the money. So i said you're not a thirty million dollar company five million dollar company. That's managing twenty five million dollars above the line so we have to act like a five million dollar company and that was the kind of big hot him he was he was living the lifestyle thirty million dollar guy. He was comparing themselves to other thirty million dollar businesses and said dude. You've a five million dollar business. That just kind of moves money around. Let's act like a five million dollar business. That's what the real revenue is. It's the put everyone on a similar playing field the real size of our business. It's amazing and you run your profits and your numbers based on five million now you comparatively. I was talking with a accounting company. That was doing five million dollars in revenue. They don't have subcontractors they do on in house they don't buy materials. It's all in house. They're five million. Dollar company is five dollar company. And they're on the exact same level as that. Thirty million air quotes home home builder. So they're saying they're both five million. I love it. I love it okay. So the mindset is know your real revenue manage your profits first and then made the company accountable to operating expense to throw that. what's leftover. That's the exact process where reverse engineering. What the company can live off of when you when you declare. I want him business to achieve ten percent profit this year or whatever the number is star taking immediately you take that percentage out then your business will tell you. This is what we have to run with. And if you can't pay your bills then your businesses telling you you can't afford your bills and if you can't afford your bills there's only two things you can do. Cut unnecessary cost. I think most businesses can cut ten percents. Sometimes even twenty percent of the fat of a business don't cook the muscle though and any business can increase margin. How do you re package what you're doing so that you can dictate a higher premium for what you do the right lessons always this though if you're not to sustain the prophet you've declared it's not. There's the problem. There's something fundamentally wrong with the business that we need to resolve you. Want to unpack. Don't cut the muscle fat. Yeah it's important talk a little bit. Yeah so businesses. Have two types of costs. Fat is where there's not deriving benefit so that's a cost we incur where there's no quantifiable benefit to it. I move into great a space. And i will my head tried to quantify and justify it by saying well you know when customers come in they see how successful how wonderful my spaces are more likely to do business with me but the reality is no customers. Have ever come to my office. So that really doesn't matter. So i if i got great see space and i work in industrial complex. It would make zero difference. That's called fat. It's an expense that really disturbs our ego but doesn't derive direct and quantifiable benefit to the business. Muscle is something that drives benefit. So i have a couple of employees air. You are small company with fourteen people. One other here. Amy if she if i fire her today and she never works very here again. We can't do any of the shipments we have to do. If i fire aaron there goes part of our consulting services we provide because she does level one consulting service. That's the muscle. Those people are doing things that directly drive revenue to this business. Even you know either to providing direct service or they're providing a support so that people can derive the services that's the muscle and you know i told people have profit. I and someone said oh i can cheap one hundred percent profit. I'm gonna take all the money out and odd no cost. Well that means that you're businesses out of business because you're can't deliver on your promises to your customer if you got a a cost that compromise your ability to deliver on a promise of customer. You're cutting muscle perfect. So you said a couple of things in the audience who actually says. Oh my goodness. I'm going to get the book. I'm gonna read the book. Download the assessment. You guys have come consultations. It sounds like so talk. Talk me through that. I mean this isn't a sales pitch but we went in the service you provide in that in that space. Yeah yeah and maybe even premature for people that can do it so let me explain what it is. We have an organization called profit first professionals. When i wrote the profit first book countless people immediately started saying. Who's the accountant or bookkeeper or the coach that supports that that's that was the conception or inception of profit first professionals. We have approaching four hundred people who have become certified. This methodology as accountants or bookkeepers. Or coaches to help businesses with the advanced process. Starting point though for anyone is by the book you can get you know new oneplus amazon eighteen bucks or you buy a used one for a penny like go start their go to library a free copy but really start there and understand the concept. I found that a lot of businesses can at least get the ball rolling. Because it's so simple. You set these accounts at your bank. It pre allocates money to its intended purpose. You know spend it. You can get the guardrails in position then if you want to go further. That's the time to type in profit first professionals and hook up with someone as perfect all right. Hey mike this has been amazing. Thank you so much guys if you want to get more in the chat we. We've got a lane to his websites. You can actually get the assessment and actually buy the book and follow you. Where do people find you by the way. Yeah so thanks for me. Share daniel so the the website is mike mccallum dot com. Everything's there here's the problem we were talking about this off line mccallum. It's first of all is impossible pronounce. Good luck spelling that nasty polish. I have a shortcut. it's my nickname in high school. Which was mike motorbike here. Here's the great irony. I've never driven a motorcycle by that. Was my nickname. So if you go to. Mike motorbike dot com site. All my books are there actually have a free book on amazon but you can get for free called surge no shipping costs. No nothing you can get immediately. I for the wall street journal. Articles are they're a podcast and a blogger too so all. That stuff's have mike. Do you have cast around this topic at all. i do. It's called entrepreneurship elevated. And we used to be called the prophet first podcast but we rebranded because we're exploring so many topics but almost every episode. We tackle something around driving more profit in the business. I love mike. Thanks for your time. You've been amazing. And i hope our audience has enjoyed this. I personally had again man. Thanks for your time. thank you brother. I enjoyed it.
Ford vs Chevrolet - Technology in the Fast Lane | 4
"Near there's a safe way you can listen to business wars without the ADS. Well it's not so secret. Actually people who subscribe to wonder plus know all about it. It's Ad Free podcast. Odd cast listening. Not just a business wars you get access to tons of other AD free wonderfully originals. Check it out at one rebe. FM Slash Business Wars plus and upgrade. Your listening experience. reince today it is May twenty-eighth Nineteen seventy-two fifty two year old lily. Gray officer thirteen year. Old Neighbor arrived as she heads out on a southern California highway to meet her husband and Bar Sto. She's been having a few problems with her little six month. Old Ford Pinto. Oh but it seems fine right now after a stop for gas in San Bernardino Gray settles into a sixty mile per hour cruise on the freeway. She sees congestion ahead slows down than changes lanes to avoid the traffic. Some her pinto stalls out. She's powerless to do anything. And just let the car coast to a stop. She's stuck on the busy highway. The car behind her manages edges to swerve out of the way but in nineteen sixty two full size Ford Galaxie is barreling straight for the driver of the Galaxy Galaxy slams on the breaks slowing to somewhere between twenty eight thirty seven miles per hour when it slams into the rear of the Pinto. The Pinto's flimsy flimsy bumper crumples and the Pinto explodes in flames. Engulfing the interior of the car gray dies on the fire. The boy is burned over most of his body he is permanently disfigured. Ralph Nader's grim. Prediction has come to pass an investigation reveals that the design of the Pinto the placement of the gas tank and the lack of reinforcement around. It made this car vulnerable to exactly this kind of accident. Worse court testimony shows that Ford knew about the facts but opted not ought to pay the fifteen dollars and thirty cents per car that it would have cost to make the car safer instead. Ford calculated that it would be cheaper rid of payout lawsuits. Then correct the problems. The boy who survived and his family Basou and there were awarded three and a half a half million dollars in damages and there are other claims about Ford Pinto bursting into flames after rear end collisions. Lots of them. At the urging of federal regulators Ford Recalls Pinto's it becomes the largest auto recall ever at the time in fact there are more to come in nineteen seventy seven. The big three automakers will recall more cars than they sell ten point. Four million in passenger cars of various models in years. Carmakers aren't just battling each other and the foreign competition now. They're grappling with the guts of their own creations. He will become an existential question. How do they hold onto once flag-waving buyers who have now become wary? The two biggest car brands in America board and Chevrolet face a cold truth. The road ahead is dangerous. Indeed from wondering I'm David Brown and and this is business wars And this is our final episode of Ford versus Chevrolet Technology in the fast lane. In this episode we go from the busy sixties to the more sobering nineteen seventies and then two drivers who want powerful and fuel efficient cars coming up fast though as a generation that might not want a car are at all for now here the cliff notes to get everybody up to speed the golden age of racing and muscle cars. All of that is in the rear view. Now there's a whole new roadmap for American carmakers and things are about to get even worse. Germany has staged a beachhead ahead on American shores with a fuel-efficient competitor. Yeah this cute. Little Volkswagen Beetle with it's Funky bug-eyed look becomes cool especially considering considering its cheap price tag by nineteen seventy Ford and Chevrolet are in a new race and this is the crazy part. It's all in reverse works. They're working overtime to introduce smaller less powerful and more fuel-efficient many cars sure they're cheap and ugly and hell. No musicians are writing odes to these. Autos the Ford Pinto and the Chevy Vega both sell for around two you grant this ain't no mustang versus Camaro. The Pinto in Vegas will go down his two of the least exciting vehicles ever produced by Ford and Chevrolet and the big take three of taught their foreign competitors where to reach American buyers. It's not the racetrack for starving interns. Find a car forced interns. Things can afford. You asked for it. The Toyota Corolla two door sedan. Probably the most sensible car in the world forty nine highway thirty six city and can you get Toyota durability and reliability at an incredibly low sticker price Toyota. It's just common sense what becomes the the biggest business story of the nineteen seventies actually start. Small California drivers began to see strange little cars. They don't recognize is tooling around Honda. Civics Toyotas and Mazdas America's approaching a deep recession when people see Z.. These cars they're wondering. Can I save myself a lot of money and aggravation if I buy one of these. Japanese cars and during the nineteen seventy three oil embargo when the price of gasoline is skyrocketing when people are becoming environmentally conscious for the first time when the word smog is entering the American lexicon these little fuel-efficient Japanese cars punch well above their weight as customers do the calculus between sacrificing thing. Is that eggs for savings. They think well hell maybe. These Japanese cars aren't so ugly after all so how how is the largest car company in the world responding is GM working feverishly over time to come up with a challenger not exactly but in nineteen nineteen seventy-three a GM executive named Pete Estes who led Chevrolet for years and is now an executive. VP thinks the company should at least investigate investigate the competition. He calls dashing. David Davis one of the most influential car journalists advertising men of all time David. I got something you should look into go overseas and check out the new front wheel drive cars that are becoming popular elsewhere now. Davis is a force in automotive circles. And he's intrigued by this request. When he returns he meets with estes in Detroit? Estes is eager to hear what he thinks. Well what'd you learn. Dr Davis doesn't sugarcoat it. The front wheel drive cars being produced abroad. I got to. They're better than our American cars. You guys better get prepared for a fight. ESTES doesn't seem to get there's been a seismic shift instead he goes on to explain to Davis why. GM We'll just sit tight. His words sum up everything that is wrong with American carmakers in the early nineteen seventies when I was at Oldsmobile Bailey was something I learned that I've never forgotten. There was an old guy there who was an engineer and he'd been gm a long time and he gave me some advice. He told me whatever you do. Don't let gm do it. I now what does this mean it means that the top man. GM believe they're the too big to fail. That Americans are going to buy chevrolets no matter what but it turns out. Refusing to innovate is a big big mistake. Nimble Japanese cars are coming up fast on the passing lane overtaking lumbering American cars millions of buyers bucked. Buck the patriotic call to consumers and do what had once been unthinkable. They buy Japanese by one thousand. Nine hundred seventy four. The Toyota Corolla gets a boost from American consumers becoming the best selling car in the world around the same time. Lee IACOCCA now. President President of Ford Motor Company reporting to the Chief Executive Henry Ford. The second pays a social visit to car builder all around motoring icon Carroll Shelby. Wait there's something. The Texan wants to get off his chest. Only I've been given a lot of thought to buying a Toyota dealership myself. Self you know. There's there's one for sale in Houston now that is heresy for a Ford Man. But I- coca just laughs it off. Let me give you the the best advice you'll ever get. Don't take it. Why not because we're GONNA kick their asses back to the Pacific Ocean Shelby shoves? His hands hands in his pockets and stares off into the distance. He turns down the deal. Wow will he regret that. In nineteen seventy six the Japanese invasion gains momentum. Thanks to the nifty Little Civic Honda Racist Past Volkswagen to to take the third spot among auto imports in the US numbers one and two that would beat Toyota. And Datsun. How are they becoming so successful? Also fast will. For one Japanese car companies do not function under the huge burden of employee health care and pension obligations that Ford and Chevrolet overlay face. Their production process improves. The workflow in eliminates waste allowing him to sell cars cheaper while making a bigger profit on each car chevrolet executives respond the only way they know how it's a familiar trope America. What your favorite sport Sandwich addle apple and what's your favorite car? America baseball hot dogs Apple Pie and Chevrolet Right. That's right by American. Oh you better chevrolets still number one in the US. But by nineteen seventy six Chevy's market share is nosediving all the mechanical problems problems are plaguing buyers in nineteen seventy eight the number of auto recalls while US carmakers surpass cars sold. This Is a disaster that year the nation's top car executives converge on the windy city to attend the Chicago Auto Show. The the huge McCormick convention hall is filled with Shiny cars and nifty exhibits but the gloom here is palpable when a New York Times reporter asks GM's GM's President Thomas Murphy about the current state of the industry. There's a hint of a glum confessional. In his response you know what it may be that we were late in recognizing just how unhappy people were with our combined performance. Maybe we were so caught up in the daily competition for business. We might have gotten out of touch with what customers wanted and they're thinking about the environment. They're thinking about gasoline prices. Now those are humbling words from the president of the world's largest car company but the companies answer to the rise of Japanese and European imports is shocking mm-hmm in nineteen eighty chevy releases. Its first front wheel drive car the citation it's the first new model for this new decade and an answer to the Foreign Invasion Chevy V.. Eight Chevy you. Everytime English it not only is the citation homely. It's plagued with mechanical problems. One test driver gives a head head shaking review after about four thousand miles. The under hood boom fill out four hubcaps got lost and the alternator belt tore up Finally the alternator gave up the ghost. Emergency Brake cable disconnected. What a mess but wait? There's more the sound deadening coming in the door. Panels peeled off and the body panels did to now the interior space is pretty good but somewhat spartan there's no trip odometer bad visibility. His ability to the rear makes parking hard. The turning radius is terrible the citation would come to be known as one of the worst cars ever produced at Ford World Headquarters. There are also big problems for different reasons in July thirteenth nineteen. Seventy eight and board members are gathering in a conference room one at the faces of the Ford Brothers. Billy and Henry Ford the second and it's clear something bad is about to go down and it doesn't take long either Henry Ford. The second looks at the board members and delivers an unequivocal ultimatum. It's him or me. Henry the second is talking about Lee Iacocca Ohka the president of Ford. This is a standoff. That's been brewing for years. Ever since the Mustang change the course of the company in Nineteen sixty eighty four Henry Ford. The second has been growing suspicious of IACOCCA Henry. Ford the second is often invoked the phrase my my name is on the building it seems that IACOCCA has been forgetting this. Oh and the way he wears his fancy suits his growing power his fame. It's all so annoying to Henry Ford. The second the disaster of the Ford Pinto certainly does not help I A- Kokas. 'cause when IOKA's cocas brought into the boardroom he knows what has just happened and demands answers. He wants to know why he's being fired. What is he doing wrong? Ford steps up to answer you know. I just don't like him I A- coca points out that the company will clear one point. Eight billion again in nineteen seventy eight. You'll never do it again. Henry Ford the seconds brother Bill is in tears as IACOCCA walks out bill. Ford says. I'm sorry I'm sorry Azcarraga Coca somewhat relieved. In fact he tells France thank God bullshits over news of the firing shocks the business world but it would turn out to be keun for AIA coca because a few months later he takes over a failing Chrysler Corporation and leads Chrysler from the brink of extinction back to profitability after all that drama. Henry Ford. The second retires a year later just as Japanese carmakers are making making the future of American cars. Look ominous unions are also creating dust ups. Philip Caldwell has named two run Ford Motor Company the First Non Ford Family member at the top Ford is earned a big profit in nineteen seventy eight but prospects for nineteen seventy-nine aren't so good in fact. They're downright scary on October. The first one thousand nine hundred seventy nine Henry Ford the second meets with Caldwell the day that Caldwell will officially takes over as the to ride down on the elevator at the glasshouse Ford World Headquarters Henry levels with his new man. I'm really sorry about leaving you with all these problems. It's an awful time doesn't seem fair to dump this on someone else caldwell doesn't take it personally personally. Well you've been through it all yourself. I guess yes I suppose so but it was different then I mean even at its worst. I in Nineteen forty-six. We could sell everything we made. But you don't have the market with you anymore. It's changed on us and at the dawn of the nineteen eighties. A darkness falls upon. Detroit was at the time of World War Two the greatest manufacturing center in the world. It is now a sprawl of slums and shuttering factories in Flint Michigan. Where General Motors was founded? The company begins closing factories. 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Ford the second Hank deduces died of pneumonia and his funeral is being held in the same church where the first Henry Ford was eulogized forty years earlier. It is a sad day but there is something to celebrate. It seems that Henry the second has used his last breath to blow life into the corporation ration- he embodied for so long and that last breath is just what it takes to push. Board passed. Chevrolet the best selling car in America Nineteen eighty-seven we'll that would be the schoolmarmish Ford escort the best selling truck in America the testosterone oster own fueled Ford F one fifty the most popular vehicle of any kind the Ford F one fifty pickup for the first time in thirty years. There's Ford has beaten Chevrolet to be number one in the US for only the second time since nineteen twenty six. Ford's profits profits a record. Four point six three billion beat General Motors. The celebration would not last long. It is October nineteen ninety-five crowds are filing into the Nippon Convention Center in Tokyo for the thirty first Tokyo Motor show. The theme theme is called Dream. The dream a car with that feel. They're on display is a new odd-looking Toyota with a funny name how do you pronounce it Prius yes. This is the new concept Toyota Prius and it requires some explaining the word previous in Latin means prior to or original and this car is original. Indeed it has two motors a battery powered motor and a small gas engine that can drive. The wheels also recharge the battery the result. It gets over forty miles per gallon on the highway at twice the mileage of a new Ford explorer explorer when the Toyota Prius first arrives in US showrooms in two thousand it moves like a slow burn getting hotter and hotter until it becomes a sales phenomena. How do Ford and GM react funny thing Ford discovers that American tastes? It's are changing. Maybe it has something to do with the excesses of the DOT COM era but for some reason lots of Americans want big again. They want space for the kids and all that stuff they're hauling from Costco through its Lincoln Brand Ford introduces the first luxury. SUV The navigator it does so well. GM counters with a plush Cadillac Escalade. People are buying big houses and they want an escalade or a navigator in the driveway. On on top of that General Motors can barely keep up with orders for an SUV. Call the Hump Virtual Monster Truck for the masses adapted from an oversized military transport transport vehicle. American is cool again as Chrysler scores with its gangster style full-sized three three hundred Chevy's building new Camaro redesigned to emulate its original muscle car of the sixties and in two thousand five the CEO. Of Ford Henry's great grandson. Bill is touting the throwback design of the V eight powered Ford Mustang at the two thousand five Detroit auto show he motors onto a stage in all new model pony car jumping out flashing abroad. Smile as he's nearly blinded by the light announces. Well as most of you have heard me say many times times if I only had one car to drive for the rest of my life it would be a Mustang. Americans are getting particular about what they want in a vehicle at the same time as the previous picking up steam Ford and Chevrolet or unveiling cars that are virtual copies of the powerful fords and Chevys of the sixties on top at that Ford and Chevy. You're selling millions of oversized. SUV's pickup trucks but by July of that same year. Well it hardly matters. We're sitting down eight hundred seven hundred industrial more than nine hundred came back into the market in a very big didn't work at broke down. The machines broke down when American survey the damage of the two thousand eight meltdown. They burned with anger. 401K's are evaporating wall streeters are panicking. The federal government has taken over mortgage morgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Lehman Brothers has filed for bankruptcy and GM is looking for a life raft in Washington D. C. General Motors CEO. Rick Wagoner settles into a chair in front of Congressional Committee members who stare at him with bitter contempt GM's Em's top brass has arrived in a private jet to ask for a bailout of at least eleven billion dollars. Pennsylvania Democrat Paul Ken. Dorsey is getting frustrated. Straighten with wagoner's ducking and weeding. Maybe maybe I'm denser Mr Wagon. I don't quite understand what the hell you're just told me. Can you just tell me in absolute terms James. How much money do you need to survive General Motors from today until March Thirtieth Carson? It's going to depend on. What happens with suppliers enlarged? I understand give me your worst case. Scenario worst-case scenario the amount of money would be significant. I mean we have. We have supplier. What is significant African next on the hot seat is Ford CEO Alan Mulally to underscore how loaded Detroit has become? Molly is asked if he would cut his seven figure salary down to one dollar until the situation gets ironed out allowing. Are you willing to go down to the dollar. I understand the intent. I think Roy is okay. Commanders now ultimately the Obama Administration authorizes nearly eighty billion dollars to GM and Chrysler her and other auto related companies. Ford is the only one of the big three. That doesn't really need alone. How will it turns out the just before the financial meltdown? Four did something radical three years earlier fearing Ford's position would suffer. Should the economy go south. The company company borrowed twenty three point. Six billion dollars a move that at the time was sharply criticized by shareholders as banks began to fail in two thousand. NATO GM and Chrysler were forced to go hand in hand to the federal government. Ford was well positioned to ride out the storm. In fact Ford's move made made its chief. CEO Mulally look almost clairvoyant. All of the big three wound up weathering the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression but new competition was arriving not from Japan or Germany. The new competition is homespun from silicon. Can Valley we have come to the fork in the road and as Yogi BERRA would've instructed we're going to take. It is a spring Spring Day in two thousand fourteen on a California highway a White Lexus. SUV's motoring along through the traffic. Some people do a double take not because it's sex but because of the awkwardly spinning radar system mounted on its roof. What the Hell is this? Yes this is a Google self driving car so there are things that have to happen before the car can drive itself. I figure out its location in the world so we use. GPS BUT GPS isn't always that accurate. which is why we rely on? Other sensors like the laser which picks up on details in the environment that help us identify identify more precise location so think of the sensors as the cars eyes and ears but with is I can see far off in a sense and three hundred and sixty degrees around the car in two thousand fourteen this seems revolutionary terrifying even but statistically these cars are safer than human driven cars because computers shooters are always paying attention. They're not fiddling with the radio or trying to settle kid squabbles. In the back seat computer reaction times faster more reliable reliable and always sober for the first time since those exciting days when Henry Ford was building his first car automotive engineers there's are truly reinventing the wheel the possibilities are astounding. There are not only self driving cars but powerful fola electric and hydrogen powered vehicles they can cruise hundreds of miles on a single charge with zero emissions and people are falling for these sleek new self driving electric victory cars. We've left the era of odd-looking. EVT's it only a tree hugger could love nowadays. There is Tesla envy this California built outfit outfit. The most successful new car company decades although questions persist about its solvency and its ability to deliver on the orders Ford is now doing wing something. It's founders. Never imagined it's repositioning itself as a technology company as well as an auto company the Ford is planning to unveil it self driving car in twenty twenty one but it's emphasis will not only be on mass manufacturing but on service delivery partnerships use anything that requires delivery. Ford is betting that it self driving cars can do all this for you. Pizza delivery an autonomous Ford car is on its way. Want to go to the movies and autonomous Ford will come pick you up. Not only will cars no longer need human drivers. You won't even have to own a car in the first place. In fact Ford recently announced it will stop building once popular sedans like the fusion and focus in North America so that it can hone in on its new high tech future feature. It's not about to give the coveted Mustang and it will still make profit rich trucks well earlier this year. General Motors announced that in twenty nineteen eighteen. That's just one year from now. The company will offer a Chevrolet Cruze Evita consumers. This is an autonomous car that has no steering wheel or or driver pedals Chevy will create fleets of them to serve as personal and ridesharing vehicles. GM's Orion assembly plant in. Michigan is currently the world's worlds first factory gearing up to mass produce a self driving car. Meanwhile GM's first ever female CEO. Mary Barra as taken can one of these vehicles for a spin or perhaps we should say the other way round. I've ridden in the cars in San Francisco and it's really quite astonishing to see what these cars are able to do. And we're seeing progress on a almost a weekly basis but in its ads Chevy continues to pitch itself as the maker of the great great American Motorcar talking full-sized old school sedans like the impala and rental car staples like the Malibu and of course the Chevys fire-breathing Camaro the duel with Ford's Mustang continues wonder if Chevy and Ford Art hedging their bets just to bid after all none of us know we're all this will wind up right now. GM and its flagship. Chevy remained number one in the US closely followed by Ford Toyota right behind. I nonetheless you can't help but sense. There's a big change coming to the American highway. Have you noticed teens. Don't like to drive as much coaches they once did cruising a thing of the past. 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#112: Douglas Brush Pain Is Inevitable, Suffering Is Optional
"Douglas brush and you're listening to cybersecurity interviews. Cybersecurity interviews is the weekly podcast dedicated to digging into the minds of the influencers thought leaders and individuals shape the cybersecurity industry. I discover what motivates them explore their journey cybersecurity and discuss what they think the industry is going to show. Let's listeners. Learn from the experts stories and hear their opinions on what works and doesn't in cybersecurity. Hello and welcome to episode one hundred. Twelve of cybersecurity interviews. This is the last episode in a five part series on mental health. Self care ignore. Diversity will not be the last time i speak about these issues on this podcast. I encourage everyone to take these issues seriously and help remove stigmas and champion differences. In the way our brains work cybersecurity professionals spend most of the day focus on the health and wellbeing of environments in their care however the cost of reducing risk and keeping our network safe often comes at the price of our professionals to help. Many infosec professionals burnout suffer firming zaidi in depression and turn unhealthy coping mechanisms which only further exacerbate underlying psychological and physical health issues. So this is an abridged version of public presentations on mental health. And my goal with this is to alleviate the stigma around mental health and stress. The importance of open and frank dialogues about the serious issue. Impacting our community. I will share my journey. Reverse engineer the stigma of mental health and business and look at ways. We can hack mental health in productive in meaningful ways. Let's get started also a quick disclaimer. I'm not a doctor. Nor do i play one on tv. The presentations information is not intended or implied to be a substitute for professional medical advice. Diagnosis or treatment all content including text graphics images information sound is only for general information purposes. I make no representation and -sume no responsibility for the accuracy of the information contained in or available through this presentation to the podcast or any other medium. This is not medical advice. Please speak to your physician before embarking on any treatment plan and most importantly never disregard professional medical advice or delay seeking medical treatment because of something you heard or saw in this presentation also. I do want to warn you that there will be uncomfortable subjects as well. Triggers and so triggers. Are things that to put it. Mildly kind of pontus and when discuss can make you feel like you're experiencing past trauma. Sometimes you don't even know why it's happening recently. Listen to tim ferriss podcast where he was talking about early early childhood trauma and i didn't realize how much it was going to affect me and made me upset and shaking and i was crying. I was something. I couldn't listen to and i wasn't sure why i've talked to people about it and the medical community and they said look they're just could be any number of things in your past that triggered something. It's okay so it's important that when you do have these feelings are no obligation to sit through this and listen to this. If we started feel bad please turn it off. Walkaway recenter but don't try to tough it out. I do also want to cover some definitions about mental health. Self care in neuro diversity so mental health. According to health and human services mental health includes emotional physical and social well-being. We think feeling act. It also helps determine how we handle. Stress relate to others and make choices. Many factors contribute to mental health problems including biological factors such as jean brain chemistry life experiences such as trauma or abuse and family history of mental health problems. We talk about self care. Self care is any activity. We deliberately now something with intent in order to take care of our mental emotional physical health. These are not passive actions per se. But things we do with intent that are self initiated and self control and so mirror diversity. Still relatively new term lease for me. I know it's something that's getting more traction and organizations that have resource groups which is phenomenal. And i highly encourage you to seek goes out with inside your organization. Starting if your company doesn't have one so my definition they can pull from a few sources. Is that nearly versity that neurological differences such as autism. Adhd mood and other functions have historically viewed with a very negative perception but in fact the result of normal natural variations in the human genome. This represents a new fundamentally different way of looking at conditions that were traditionally catholic viewpoint. That's not universally accepted. Although it's increasingly supported by signs narrative versity advocates pointed thought narrative people often have exceptional abilities alongside what society is labeled a quote unquote weakness but due to time constraints and not completely firehose. Everybody with too much. I'm really only going to focus a mental health and self care in this talk in for me for those who've listened to the podcast now i have a pretty extensive background in. It cybersecurity currently a global security adviser at spunk. I do a lot of stuff to put it. Mildly of security and thought leadership has really been kinda fire jumper for lack of a better way of describing it The most kind of relatable character. I can put out there and what i have done is the wolf. The character from pulp fiction. He's a guy that goes in solves problems so usually it's very high pressure Sometimes scary situations where people brought me in to kind of be the cooler and make sure things get done So i'll talk fast on move fast. But i'll get things done in ways that are seemingly calm and what people don't realize that i've suffered from anxiety a probably my entire life. You know probably didn't really realize it until certain points. We'll talk about later. We'll look i don't understand. How can you have anxiety. Seem so confident. And there's kind of mean using this presentation it says do not mask composure. For ease underneath it. There's kind of a monster in the closet and the more talked about this realize that i'm not alone. A lot of people have suffered from residing depression in cybersecurity. because of the workforce challenges in andrea. Lumbago said it well interview few years ago you know. There's never downtime. It's nonstop and every day is about them so we must be right seemingly all the time in attackers. Only get to be right once or a few times if they exploit a series of owner abilities so things like depression burnout in even suicide are becoming more common. Among cybersecurity professionals and depression is the leading cause of disability in the world following heart disease according to the World health organization in additionally people with mental health conditions are the highest risk for suicide. So i mean if you put that in context i mean what we're dealing with some pretty heavy things that we have to process and work through and the consequences can be pretty severe so recently there was a nominate study from two thousand and nineteen and this is just as an example in kind of got my head out these days but it was a global study of cyber security professionals. Ninety one percent of the so surveyed said they had levels of stress. There were suffering moderate to high sixty percent rarely disconnected from the work. Workroom eighty-eight percent work more than forty hours per week. With twenty seven. That worked up to sixty hours. Eighty nine percent of us. Bases have never had a two week break from their job in so the challenges that mostly seaso's feel that they're under appreciated by senior. Almost all feel that a breach was inevitable but only sixty percent of their periods are c-. Ceo's organization felt that same level of concern about a breach being inevitable. But a third felt they would lose their job or be written up if there was an actual breach. So if you think about it there's no surprise there's a high turnover and most don't stay in their jobs for that long so when i think about in my experience a so and working with security leadership it generally takes almost eighteen months to really start affecting change so then you have a slow ramp up for over a year then around that eighteen month mark. You know maybe a little bit before things start going welford. Three to four months then burnt out sets in so number two years. A new c. So comes in with the same misalignment with their leadership then they leave again and becomes as vicious cycle and you can see why top down approach is needed in organizations to address this and certainly other infosec problems but it really starts with the leadership so mental health conditions can come in many forms However if you think about workplace stress and being put under the gun like this this is only going to exacerbate. Underlying conditions or can even accelerate in onset in acuity so stress management is a huge cost for the episodic symptoms of these underlying diseases when they rear their ugly heads in a big problem in our community you know. What do we do for coping and stress mechanism. You know often. It's alcohol drugs you know. Look at the script club seats that were always flash all over twitter from blackout events and it was always this accepted way to have. This kind of party seem to blow off steam. But that's not for everybody and it really can alienate a lot of folks. So jamie tomasulo was speaking of blackhawks in two thousand and eighteen talked about the stigma. She faced being recovering alcoholic culture. That pushes us far too hard. And doesn't give us the proper type of coping skills and community so the community as a community. We've done a piss poor job of helping each other here and i'm not against going out for drinks having beer tap at the office. I mean anybody who's hung out with me knows i liked fun but alcohol should not be our only answer. There's other things you have to do. And like i said. I've been really bad with personally with my staff and customers at time and just say screw it. Let's just go out for dinner. Drinks and stead of looking for other things. But it's like saying screw it. Let's a stalled. Avian we're good. We're good to go now. We only need one control area and there's no one silver bullet to deal with attackers or health. We know that's not the truth in our computer networks but we seem to avoid multifaceted layers approach and maintaining the health of our neural networks. So we need to change that like yesterday and the challenges that we're facing now where we are with corona. It's been hard year and a half for all of us. Work school lost routines and schedules on. This is the longest. I've not traveled in my professional career. And mitzi my friends all over the world i miss being on stage. I miss doing the doug show in front of clients and customers and audiences. I feel completely off my game. I'm not looking for pity but to say you're not alone. If you're feeling that your life has been up ended multiple times per day. I talked to friends and family. That are really starting struggle. And i would do anything for those close to me but after men. I feel powerless at this time right now. I can't sweep in like the wolf and just fixings and there was one article. I read recently about how the corona virus is impacting. People in this kind of mindset is putting people in a said. It's the unrelenting horizon lewis of a covert world. Just feeling that it's never going to end and we can't help each other and this starts really piling up over time the long tail effects on this can be devastating. Suicide rates are on the rise and even in my home state of colorado. It's grim people are feeling helpless. However we're we're helpless but not hopeless and so you got to keep that pm a positive mental attitude and there's a really great quote from james baldwin that i use in the presentation. Is that not everything that is faced can be changed but nothing can change until its face so yes even though it feels overwhelming. We have to talk about this. You know we. We have to address mental health. It cannot be avoided as a topic and cybersecurity any longer so i make my pledge to the communities to raise awareness. Remove the stigmas. I certainly do not have all the answers. No world pretend to. But i will not be shot to talk about this issue. We're hackers we can figure out a better path forward together so krona cy which is obviously the kind of elephant in the room. That's only exacerbating a lot of these things that were feeling. We really do. Need to think about okay. Well what's the root cause of all this on the profession itself. How did we get here. And if you look at information security. It's an industry that's still relatively new. I kind of look at it as a frankenstein. Monster that was brought to life by it consulting operations legal compliance privacy. A little bit of an identity crisis as we've entered our teenage years. And with that i feel we've adopt a lot of good business practices but also a lot of negative. There's so much pressure to work harder. Work longer tough it out. How this kind of aggression aggression aggression attitude obviously can do. Well in that now taipei and we'll talk about in. This can come at a cost but this type of mental contract doesn't work for everybody. The staff hired in the past. Five years have wanted a better work life balance. I can give the money title. Titles glory but lesson less it becomes important to them so as an industry. I feel we don't have a good answer to these needs and i have some ideas of what's worked. But they need to be further adopted tested and kind of peer reviewed. Also another factor. Before i touch on my journeys that lives can be on the line with cyber. If you're in certain industries now think about healthcare and everything that's going on now at distribution of vaccines. There's a law of supply chain risk when impure. It can always blame a bad patch for down server big deal bounce it reset it. Take some heat but a breach this not just a technical problem that means somewhere in the controls a human did something that allowed a breach to happen so this is heavy stuff that no one prepares us for again. We have to be right all the time or else in that. Feeling of that consequence is not fair healthy or scalable and so it's something as an industry. We need to change and give people much more breathing room forgiveness in guidance on how to get through these types of unrelenting pressures so i do wanna talk about my journey as we end the south in. It's a tough one. It something that. Every time i do this talk i feel exhausted by after after i give. It's an it's not something that is very easy to talk about at times. So if i really look back you know. My first bouts with anxiety started in nineteen ninety-three owes born mid seventies and was definitely that kind of outcast growing up in the music. I like the sports. I like you know as a little skater punk who didn't fit in well like comic books like technology granted today. That's kind of like the norm with things like disney plus and everything else. That's out there but and that time growing up in the eighties and nineties. I was not accepted for the things i liked. It wasn't popular like it is now so it really kind of had a stress on me because i always felt kind of isolated in away from my peers. And other people so really. It didn't really manifest itself fully until the ninety s. I had really really struggled throughout high school. I had a very small group of friends but also felt like i didn't belong there like i said and so it was always trying to find other ways to kind of blow off steam or maybe distract myself and so at this point you know we. We had found marijuana at the time. And i didn't. I didn't know what i was doing with this. I didn't know the risks friends. Like oh here have this and you know. In the second time. I smoked marijuana. I had massive panic attacks. It set off something in my fanatic in paris and paddock nervous system. I wasn't really prepared for if you look into. Synthetic nova system is kind of prepares the body for the fight or flight response during any potential daniel on the other hand the person founded nervous system inhibits the body from overwork working and then kind of restores the by to calm and composed state whatever it happened whatever triggered at that moment semi synthetic nervous system off kilter and i couldn't sleep for days. I was having massive ship just panic attacks but i didn't know what they were. Atomic is going to die. Parents took him to the doctor's multiple times over a course of two weeks. Now like there's you know there's nothing wrong we've done blood work. We can't tell what's going on. Finally one doctor said you're having a panic attack. And i'm like well. What what's that. It's not flipping to say with all my head but that's kind of what he was having a mental health crisis not a physical health crisis. You need to address it this way. So at that point we were able to get the right type of therapy. I needed and the doctors to help me. And i got myself back on my feet and therapy and medication. I was. I was even now but it was a scary couple of weeks and not knowing what's going on constantly having your body you're going to die at any moment and setting off just a constant vicious circle of just feeling awful and there's just no way to describe it but got through that recovered and throughout the ninety s. I started my first computer consulting business so now at this point all my friends have gone off to college. I'm kind of alone. But doing my business in really gonna continue to feel a little bit out of sorts of where i am in the world. But i'm an entrepreneur. Now i'm starting businesses them doing things and again it becomes a really high stress environment of really having to succeed and push myself and eventually burnt out couple of times like where it was just to the point where i couldn't get out of bed for several days or i couldn't even really function for almost a week at a time because i just had pushed myself far beyond my capabilities of sixty seventy eighty or ninety s a week traveling all over the place and my my body. Just put a break to that. So i really don't understand that and i was like well. No i thought. I already solved this in the nineties with anxiety in your body doesn't quite work that way i found out. You're going to have kind of these these issues that come back and so i finally got more help again on that and this. Yeah you need a slowdown. Let's get you back on meds again. Some cognitive therapy you know. What are you trying to push for. And it was really was like we have to have to succeed. I'm an entrepreneur. And why because i have to in my mind. That wasn't a wasn't a reason other than to do that. And that really kind of had me focus too much too heavily. Say on on running a business and not having that work life balance but found out. I found a cadence and i got that going while and things when great for you know ten twelve years until about two thousand twelve we buy. My wife and i are have our two year. Old daughter were living in new york. City and i was really trying to figure out. Well who am i now. I've gone from somebody who's been running my own business on on the outside for you know decades and now i'm moving into a role inside of an organization. Really trying to struggle with who. I was as an employee of husband father and it was. It was a lot of change within a short period of time that i was really struggling with and really didn't process and for years from two thousand twelve to two thousand fifteen sixteen really just kind of buried in didn't understand it and it was really tough and went through a couple organizations where continue to build practices and by all external musings were successful in the had a happy family in but i wasn't feeling contents. I really just didn't understand what i was trying to do. And who. I was and really ramp two thousand sixteen. I found some stuff about meditation. And other of mindfulness and journaling and that that really helped and that really helped me kind of become more aware where i was in stopped focusing on. What's going to make me happy. And just really be more in the moment in accepting things and that was all well and good and we decided hey as a family as tough living new york city why we need to move something where with better schools overall stability and less risk factors Than living in somewhere like new york city. So i decided let's move move out west and my wife and i came out and visited beautiful boulder. Colorado we fell in love with this figure. This is the place we want to go on and set things in motion and around that time so this is now early. Two thousand seventeen. We starting to pack and move things out and two weeks before we are to move to colorado. We were driving and somebody ran in intersection while she was texting and brooklyn and hit. My side of the car spun us around two times just barely crashing into my door but hit the front fender. So i was okay. I thought at the moment got out of the car. My daughter screaming and crying my. We're all freaked out cops calming it's just a whole to-do we get cars. Towed police reports get back home starting to calm down. Start packing some more. Let that kind of settle. The next morning. I woke up. And i couldn't move turned out. I had blown out a disc in my back and at the time with all the adrenaline. I didn't. I wasn't aware of it in the next morning. With the swelling in the pressure had pressed on irvine my back. My foot had what was called drop foot and wasn't really working. Well i had basically extreme neurological pain going from the tip of my toe up my back in i was in non stop twenty four hour pain so at this point i'm trying to wrap up business and things i'm doing in new york and put on a tough as for that feeling helpless. I can't help. My family moved to an area where i wanted them to move. And kind of really certainly encourage it and now i'm kind of helpless and just tons of pain and i finally got out to colorado and it's we're getting through it and within about two weeks. The organization is working with decided to pull the plug on my business. I said well. Hey look i. Maybe it wasn't that that expressive in the fact that. I'm just moved out here and you know i'm a ton of pain from this car accident. But you can't just eliminate the entire business unit. I built within signed this company said. Yeah we decide for a security measures. You know we're really going to focus on other things and want to get rid of the whole cyber security division so they let myself go several my friends that are still friends with employees that i treat like family were all eliminated and calling me. What do we do now. what do we do now. look. I don't know. I don't have an answer. This is the one thing. I didn't see coming In i said okay. I'll throw myself into thing. So i started trying to figure out. Okay i'll network. that's what i'm good at. I'm a talker. get out meet. People go to be sides. Denver need volunteers so volunteered with them. Found some things they needed again. Not really heating to some of the advice of not pushing myself physically. But i'm starting to move things to get together. Things like boxes of power supplies and switches and routers to take besides in really jerk. My back bat in had a severe injury at that point. So what little progress. I was making unhealing went down the tubes. I was even more pain in the world. Klopp's dummy nonstop physical pain. I had been avoiding the fact that i was pretty traumatized by what had happened. At work was in a new area. Had no friends and really just felt horrible in. I slowly started to kind of fall into this deeper physical emotional pain. And so there's a homes. Ron life stress inventory. We can look it up online but basically the amount of life changes that you have within your life that could have susceptibility to stress. Induced health breakdowns. Um to about one hundred and fifty points or last relatively low life changes are going to happen maybe a move maybe a death in the family maybe one or two things lower scale you can cope with one. Fifty to three hundred points is a fifty percent chance of a health breakdown in two years. Three hundred points or more is an eighty percent chance of health breakdown in the next two years and really focuses on people getting getting help. When i do the the rating of that for that time period i was well over. Four hundred literally off the charts on the type of life stresses and things that were going on it so there's also a simple mental health pain scale. That's used within therapies as well so you get kind of a severe mode. This one through ten. But the seven to ten is progressively worse a seven being. You're avoiding things that take you that make you more distress. Spo make it worse so you should definitely seek help aid is you can hide struggles anymore. You may have issues sleeping eating having fun. Socializing work study. A mental health is affected. Most parts of your life. A nine is your at a critical point. You are functioning anymore. You need urgent help. You might be at a self a risk to yourself or others if left untreated and ten is the worst mental emotional distress possible. You can no longer care for yourself. You can't imagine things getting any worse in contact a credit crisis line immediately so i was easily within that eight to ten scale at any given day for about two months And it got dark things. Were really bad for me. i basically couldn't function. I would just feeling complete pain at every cell in my body in ways. I can't even describe in eventually starts taking its toll and falling into a deeper depression. And there's a passage from williams dyron. This is nineteen ninety memoir of depression darkness visible. That is probably the closest thing. I can relate to how i felt at that time and the quotas. The grade drizzle of horror induced by depression takes on the quality of physical pain. But it's not immediately identifiable pain like out of a broken limb. It might be more accurate to say that despair owning to some evil trick played upon the sick brain of inhabiting psyche comes to resemble the diabolical discomfort of being imprisoned in a fiercely overheated room and because no breeze stirs cauldron. Because there's no escape from the smothering confinement is entirely natural that the victim begins to think ceaselessly. Blame when you're at that level of emotional pain in darkness you get suicidal thoughts. Or at least i did and i thought that would be the only way to end my pain in. I remember on father's day trying go out and my mother-in-law daughter and wife trying to cheer me up by by all means glad they tried but i was. I was in so much pain. I just went back to the car and described and just didn't want to be anywhere on the world anymore because it was i was in so much pain and i couldn't even be there for my family And it was again. It was a really dark period. So over that time i was able to get help and it was really challenging was really crushing that organization that i did eliminated me but eliminated all my healthcare benefits. They eliminated any type of severance. They decided in their mind. What's the big deal. And i'm like you're you're the level of impact or having a my life in my family's life and certainly other people that work for me is not just a financial stability measure. You're doing damages in. I don't think that was really understood. And it's not understand business and we think okay we gotta make these moves for business great. But you know we don't have the type of healthcare. We need in this country where people have readily readily act accesses accessibility to mental health. Care services we just don't and trying to go through state funded. Things were horrible. The process was horrible. That in itself was depressing. But i eventually found a care provider here in boulder that deals with high highly type a. personalities like myself that have been through this type of problem for and he sat me down in through cognitive therapy and other things which able to kind of get me right right sized and then within three months i was kinda back on my feet but really it was total of six months from march until september of two seventeen felt like six years. It was horribly dark period. Something i would never wish on anybody but you know by talking about these issues. Want people to know one if you are there. You're not alone to there is hope that were here for you. And we'll find a way out together so things got better. When i got to a better place i got back on my feet. I opened up an office for company here in denver and soon had ten employees and was doing all the kick ass stuff that i love to do and got to travel and work for big brand name clients again all over the world. It was back on my feet but it comes with up and down. I mean we're now at twenty twenty one and things aren't always perfect all the time. There's long tails effect of all these things that go back to me my first exactly issues with one thousand nine hundred three stealing with this. How do you cope and deal with this. And it's it's a challenge. So i certainly encourage people to get help because you'll where do we go from here. We have to remove the stigma that mental illness. Anything other than in illness health is health. Mental health is health. We need to move past the stigma and shame that people feel about their differences. This only forces people to self medicate professional treat now. We wouldn't tell someone who's diabetic to to suck it up just smile like we do with people with mental health issues. We wouldn't call them. Names like insulin baby in its stigmatizes. Language like saying. Oh you're crazy you're whatever it is and putting them down about health issues so we need to stop treating each other that way and i bet. Many people have experiences where they just didn't feel mentally healthy for that day and instead use a physical ailment as an excuse to take a sick day. We need to grow passes. So what is it. Just me being altruistic how macabre list so what if i told you have consistently looked out for the mental wellbeing of my staff it has resulted in people that were happier and therefore better at their jobs. I've had higher employee satisfaction retention. Ve had happier customers and as a result with more top line revenues in greater profit margins. Quite simply when people feel their best. They perform at their best full stop. Mental health versus business is not a zero sum game. Everyone can and should win. We have to make it a a fight to make sure that our employees our staff our friends. Our family build their best. It's only upside for that. And it doesn't cost that much in return on. Investment are far higher than letting people burn out and get into the worst part so they can. So what are some of the steps we can take. I is talk openly about mental health. Educate yourself and others be conscious of your language and what you say about people around mental health encourage equality between physical and mental illness. Show compassion for those with mental illness. Choose empowerment over. Shame be honest about treatment importantly qualified people when they're being stigmatizing and this is a new thing that we're starting to see kind of pop up where everybody's being more aware of our language could we do realize has impact on people for that guy that says all everyone so sensitive days to them i say now people have always been aware of what an asshole. You have been. Just finally letting you know in that. It's not okay for you to put down people with your language. And i'm not going to let that happen to myself or others ever again and finally don't harbor self sigma remember. It's okay not to feel okay. Because as my therapist told me it really resonated with he said with this was pain is inevitable but sufferings optional. Mcken that's kind of a plot and a little bit of flip thing but if you think about it is true. You know you're going to have pain need to accept that in your life but the suffering you need to choose to get therapy and hell for and we're here to help you get out of that suffering. You don't have to live in that cycle anymore. So there's things you can do Things that have worked for me things like medication. We just fine was able to find a medication that worked for me and help get me level where i needed to be. I've also found and to my therapist started using and commitment therapy or act so act an action oriented approach to psychotherapy that stems from traditional behavior therapy and cognitive behavioral therapy people learn to stop avoiding denying and struggling with their inner emotions and instead accept that these are deeper feelings on their appropriate responses to certain situations that should not prevent them from moving forward of their lives with this understanding people begin to accept their issues and hardships and commit to making necessary changes in their behavior regardless of what's going on in their lives and how they feel about it so it's real real idea works well for me again because of my my type. A personality of these things are going to happen. You need to accept it. Be the cooler to yourself. Move forward find. Things are gonna work. And so sometimes it's just setting up. certain routine. Daily habits not found. Those would be extremely helpful. So things like reducing alert fatigue explicit deny everything. I've all lurch to turn off my phone. I don't see things unless i go check them. I set specific. Sla's that if somebody's trying to get a hold of me they know they can call me or tax me if it's an emergency but if it's something where they may not need a response for a couple of hours a day emails finer slack or other things where you got. Get out of this. This idea that you're constantly available for everybody and setting those boundaries and setting schedules. So you're not multitasking. No focus on deep work. Maybe set sometimes when you do respond messages for an hour here in our there but then the rest of the time. You're not trying to do ten things at once and you're only focusing on one thing. I've also done things like morning routines before. I get up before i touch any technology. I'll do some meditation through the head. Space out i'll do journaling through the five minute journal. You know just to set some gratitude and self awareness. Where i am before i start touching that tech getting too deep into the workday most of our conscious now about even things like i and hydration just making yourself feel and setting some of those limits really kind of helps balance out everything else you know you are what you eat and how you think sleep is incredibly important at least for me. Find that. I need to set specific sleep routines going to bed at a certain time. Getting up at a certain time And it really has helped. And certainly like i said you know we i. I'm not against drinking having fun with that. But you know you take breaks every now. And then i recommend people do months off with their dry and just maybe less. Some level of abstinence and moderation is good in your life. It should not be go to find other things to do and i found the most important thing that i've done has been overall more accepting of who i am. I'm not perfect and focusing being in the moment. This is who i am in just because i have to be that wolford many situations go in and fix everything. I don't have to fix everything. I don't have to fix myself and my therapist said you're never going to be perfect. Accept who you are. Stop trying to fix every little thing. 'cause they're obsessing about it you're you're trying to tweak things that only you care about quite in step back and look at the bigger picture and so that's been incredibly helpful for me just accepting my flaws and who. I am in quite frankly. I've been about choppier person. Because of that. So as i close out a do want to lead all with with some thoughts in not only be kind with yourself but be kind with others. You never know what l. someone else's going through so be kind. Forgive yourself becalmed yourself be vulnerable Like addressing challenging areas and blind spots in our networks is how we improve our security programs. Right do the same with yourself. Know that they're there find ways to control it. Find ways to heal but be kind to yourself because you owe it to yourself. You're that important. I guarantee all you all should spend more time caring for yourself one of the things that you can do to against us behind others. Slow your roll with them. He can't control other people and most situations. You can only choose how you choose to respond to these people. Give everybody a little breathing room right now. We're we're in a tough tough. Part of our story arcs in the best piece of advice. Warren buffett ever got was from thomas murphy and he said know warren. You could always tell someone to go to hell tomorrow. As one said was such an easy way of putting it. You haven't missed the opportunity. Just forget about it for one day. We feel the same way tomorrow tom. The go then but don't spout things off. In a moment of anger we do. incident response. Instant reaction reason reacting ten come out of emotion and doing things that are maybe not as controlled as they should be. Response is a more measured way of responding to something so take the time to do that instead of just jumping off on somebody and finally choose to make time for your wellness or you'll be forced to make time for your illness. Spend some time on researching self care and mental health. If you feel that you need help please reach out get it. It can't hurt. It's probably only be something better for you. So i strongly encourage people getting health checks for the mental health. Just for their physical. There's to me. There's no difference. So i also wanna give everybody bit of a challenge if your listener. Good things challenge when you go to bed tonight. Take out a pad of paper and a pen. Put the phone away somewhere else. The first thing. I want you to wake up is not touch the phone. Take that pan paper. Maybe we'll get your coffee. Go sit somewhere in right down five about yourself before you start your day tomorrow. It sounds easier than it is. But you have to really kind of forced to accept yourself occurred you all take that challenge and thank you so much for listening to my journey. I give a more extended talk and several places throughout the year. That gets a little bit more the self care stuff. Please feel free to reach out to me about anything. You've heard on this. I'd love to get feedback but again. Thank you all and support each other in the community. Thank you so much for joining us today. On cybersecurity interviews. I hope that you enjoyed this interview as much as i did. Please go to cybersecurity. Introduce dot com where you can find every episode show notes and links for each guest's there you can also find social media links and to sign up for new episode notifications thanks. We'll talk soon.
S11: Infamous: William Guldensuppe Pt. 1
"In eighteen ninety seven, a torso of a man estimated to be thirty, five years old was found in the East River with no identifying marks on it a race between two competing newspapers to identify the victim and catch the killer began. If you enjoy this two part episode on the murder of William Golden Sup, be sure to check out the solved murders podcast exclusive to spotify every Wednesday. We step into the world of true crimes, most fascinating murder cases and tell the Tale of how real life detectives closed the case follow solve murders free and exclusively on spotify. Dude the graphic nature of this murder case listener discretion is advised. This episode includes graphic descriptions, of Genitalia, as well as dramatization and discussions of murder and assault that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. New York. City in the eighteen nineties was a bustling metropolis rooming with promise the city at recently constructed its first skyscrapers, the tallest of which stood higher than three hundred feet. Within one of these concrete titans was a behemoth of the newspaper Industry Joseph Pulitzer and his daily publication the New York world, he taken a dying publication and turned it into a sensation. He replaced dense information laden pages with bombastic. Lines he added. Comic. Strips and color printing to his Sunday editions and he brought the price of his paper down to a staggering two cents crushing his rivals by eighteen ninety. The New York world had become one of the single largest newspapers in existence but with great success comes great competition in Eighteen Ninety Five William Randolph hearst purchased the failing New York Morning Journal and made it his mission to put the New York world out of business with his nearly limitless fortune hearst turned his journal into something. More attention grabbing and more sensational than any paper ever before he brought the price of his issues down to a single cent and poached reporters from competing papers by paying exorbitant salaries. Hearst had declared war on Joseph Pulitzer and his New York world this declaration locked the two juggernauts of journalism into a heated conflict that would reshape American newspapers and change the course of American history itself. Their newspaper wars would range for decades, but one of their most decisive battles would come from the most unlikely of places. In the early hours of June twenty sixth 1897, a ferry passenger discreetly dropped a couch cushion sized package into the East River. This single act would set the New York papers into a reporting frenzy and result in one of the most fascinating and most publicized murder mysteries in the history of the world. Welcome to solve murders true crime mysteries a podcast original I'm your host Carter Roy and I'm your host. Wendy Mackenzie. Every Wednesday we step into the world of true crimes, most fascinating murder cases and tell the Tale of how real life detectives closed. The case you can find episode Jeff solved murders, and all other park asked originals for free exclusively on spotify to stream. Solve murders for free on spotify just open the APP and type solve murders in the search bar. This is our first episode on the murder. Of William Golden up in part one will cover the discovery of a dismembered corpse and the race between two different newspapers to identify the victim. In part two, we'll discuss the victims life in the newspapers quest to catch his killer. We have all that and more coming up stay with us. On. Saturday June twenty six. Ninety seven stifling summer air wafted through Manhattan and crowds of people made their way to east third street thousands wanted to attend the grand opening of the city's first public promenade pier. The mood was lively and upbeat a brass band in pod there breath away their sound echoing across the East River. Yet as the band held the people's rapt attention, the river held something far more interesting. Approximately eight blocks north. The rising tide carried a strange package lobbying on the water. Package was about the size of a sofa cushion and was tightly wrapped in a flashy red and gold oilcloth. It was heavy but floated despite its weight and it was tied together by several cords of white rope. The package was meant to be discarded and forgotten but instead it's deep red colouring and caught the eyes of four preteen boys playing on the unused East Eleventh Street pier. One of the boys leapt into the water and swam towards the package. He grasped it by its ropes and pulled it back towards the pier. Once he reached the shore, he called atop the rocks struggling against its weight his friends rush to help him and then stared at the package in wonder, all sorts of treasures could show up in the East River Silverware clothing jewelry furniture anything was possible in New York. This package had the potential to be the greatest treasure they'd ever found filled with excitement. One of the boys pulled out a switchblade and Saad at the rope. As he caught his blade slipped on the wet cord plunging through the oilcloth into the package itself the slip left a thin hole in the wrappings and the boys watched with surprise as torpid blood boozed out there is went wide as they stared at each other in astonishment. The boys were not repulsed they were thrilled. Bleeding package wrapped in rope could only be one thing. A fresh side of pork. Lost, by some poor butcher in the river, they were going to feast like kings they sliced through the rope with renewed vigor. They peeled back the oilcloth to reveal a layer of burlap, and then they peeled back burlap to reveal course Brown paper underneath the paper they found pink flesh. Only it wasn't from a pig. Instead. The package contained a man's muscular arms and his torso severed off just below the ribs the boys had not discovered a feast. They had uncovered a murder. After moments of stunned silence, the boys panicked they tossed their bloody knife into the river. Then spent the next half hour arguing about what to do next drawn to the noise a patrolman approached the boys and ask them what they'd found terrified the boys told them their story and the patrolman told them to settle down. He'd call to have this body taken to the morgue and the boys would be free to go the patrolman hall the body off of the beach and onto the pier then waited for two of his fellow detectives to arrive. That's an St. want wonder what happened to him rubbery just those Med students again up to their old tricks. If that's true, they really upped the ante this. Remember when they left that finger in that professor cigar box. Classic Gag. Although in my opinion, this stops that any day. Hersher. Except this time the joke's on. US. We're the ones who've got to watch this stiff. least gives us a good excuse to smoke. The policemen were largely unimpressed by their gruesome find as MED students had been known to leave amputated body parts in strange places all around the city they were confident that this package was merely a prank and that the coroner would settle any worries soon. After several hours, the torso was picked up and hauled off to bellevue morgue. The only morgue in Manhattan and dark and dreary place. Each day, the morgue would see twenty to thirty new bodies all laid out on marble slabs cold misty water ran over the slabs in an attempt to preserve the. And spook away the flies we're always buzzing around just as the scent of death attracted flies the drama of death attracted reporters from every major publication in the city. For Meagre. Unscrupulous mortgage attendance allowed reporters to wander the halls freely reporting on any corpse they thought might make a good story. dismembered. So finally reached its own slab reporters had much the same reaction as the police officers who first discovered it. This gruesome find was simply the result of a med. Student. Prank. Nothing worth writing about. This would all change when the city's medical examiner Dr George Dow and Bellevue's Morgue Superintendent Dr Thomas Murphy spotted the torso on their evening rounds. They took a closer look at the body and noted everything they found the torso was muscular with soft white skin. The head had been severed and the cut through the neck was rough and ragged. The lower half of the torso had been cut through much more cleanly just below the fifth rib suspiciously four inch horseshoe-shaped slice of skin had been removed from the chest just above the heart. It was an odd mark that seemed purposeless at first glance after seeing all the could on the surface, the doctors began to take some measurements even though they only had the torso, they measured demands link from fingertip to fingertip. If the man had been in one piece would have stood around five feet eleven inches tall. They estimated that weighed one hundred, ninety pounds while alive and had been thirty five years old at the time of his death finally, they noticed that while he had a musculature a heavy laborer. The man's hands were soft and supple. He lacked the rough calluses that most physical workers gained in their work and his nails were well manicured. Also. Significantly, his fingers were pliable and easy to bend. Indicating that rigor mortis had yet to affect the body. There is a mystery here. Indeed No medical student would have done this a saw and not a knife was used to sever the head and the body, and if I might add the removal of the flesh from the breast has a very suspicious look. If I might venture a guess I, would say it was meant to remove a distinctive tattoo that might have helped us identify the body. Yes. It's all very suspicious I. believe this was a murder end in my professional opinion, the man of which this formed part of was alive twenty four hours ago. Dr Dowse Declaration had stunned the room and many of the reporters present new. They had just struck gold several rush. Their notes to the press is immediately while other stayed behind to witness the autopsy a closer examination of the corpse found several more interesting details. The arms had boot-shaped bruises indicating the victim had been pinned to the ground or kicked some of his fingernails held blood likely from his struggle against his attacker. His left hand also had a glancing cut likely from a knife when they took a finer look at the flesh had been removed from the chest. They found too deep stab wounds. One Pierce downwards just above his left collarbone, the other had plunged just between. His fifth and sixth ribs stabbing directly into his heart examination of the wounds showed that blood had flowed into them. Indicating the victim had been stabbed while he was still alive in contrast the cuts at his neck and bottom of his torso had been done post mortem. It seemed he had been stabbed to death and dismembered afterward for easy disposal. Also, interestingly, the stab wounds did not have any cloth fibers within them. This meant the victim had been naked when killed and likely lying on his back. Perhaps he'd been murdered well asleep or even in the midst of an intimate. And yet even though the autopsy could tell them so much about their victims tragic fate there were still many unanswered questions who exactly was this man and where was the rest of his body it was only a matter of time. Before they found their answers. Coming up a second gruesome discovery provides a clearer piece of the puzzle and now back to the story. On June twenty, six, eighteen, ninety, seven. Of a human torso was discovered bound in cloth floating in the East River. By that evening, New York City's chief medical examiner had declared the torso the victim of a murder the first step towards solving the crime would-be to identify the victim. But his head lower torso and legs were all missing dismemberment always proved fascinating to the public and these still missing limbs made this murder mystery ripe for the Sensational Yellow Journalism of the time. The next morning Sunday, the twenty seventh both William. Randolph hearst's New York Journal and Joseph. Pulitzer's New York world dedicated front page space to the piecemeal corpse both declared it a horrific end intriguing case. Both wondered where the rest of the body could be get while the papers were speculating detective Arthur Carey in the hybrid stationhouse in the Bronx had the answer. Things, got away at least one hundred pounds register you founded. My boys spotted it in a ravine. Arkansas Woods nearby the Harlem River. It's a real wild place. There's only one house for a whole quarter mile up their. Use said it smelled bad. I'm not smelling anything right now that's because it's tightly wrapped. You pull on that oilcloth you'll see. Smells like murder. Thanks for bringing us and Mr Mayer, but you should get your kids. OUTTA here. I don't think they want to see what's inside. As Detective Carey opened. The package he founded was also wrapped in a layer of burlap and a layer of Brown paper inside he found the lower torso of a man sought apart from the rest of his body. Its top was cut just below the ribs in the bottom was sliced off just below the hip joints. As such the legs were not attached, but the man's genitals were fully intact. Kerry thought little of the wounds or genitals at the time. Instead he focused his attention on a small clue stuck to the victims back. He appealed off a sticky piece of Brown paper with a distinct ink stamp, the stamp read Kugler and Woolens, and with that carry at his first lead. Kerry bag to stamp and cut off a piece of the oilcloth for Reference Lenny made his way across the Harlem River into the big city. Kugler and Woolens was a hardware store in the predominantly German bowery district of Manhattan. The district known for its many great drinking venues, and it's incredibly competent business owners and Kugler Co owner of Kugler and woolens was no different. Mr Kugler, I'm detective carry a used to be stationed near here few back but a hammer ones yes. Yes. I remember your face detective are you here to get the hammer repaired? No Hammer still going strong. Here to ask if you recognize this. Paper smells like death. Did you find it in a dead body or something on a dead body? Yeah. Well. That's our stamp and serial number. Let Me Check the ledger. Looks like the paper was used to wrap a saw. Make Sense Any chance you know who bought it. Sadly, no it was purchased with cash. Fair enough. I got one last question for you. You know where I can find the person who sells oilcloth like this. Oh. That smells brand new. Did it come from the same body? Yeah. Couple layers of wrapping between them. I recommend you check with Henry Feuerstein on Stanton, very professional wholesaler. Thanks Kugler, maybe I'll stop by and buy something sometime. Carry made his way three blocks North Henry for your steen's warehouse and Orthodox Jewish immigrant from Hungary Feuerstein was also working hard on Sunday and more than willing to help detective Kerry tracked down his lead. Af Cannon and sons diamond be number of three to two. Oh People hate that fabric I haven't sold any in the last four months so it should be easy to track down right. Relatively yes. I've only sold it to fifty or so stores fifty and you say people hated no. Yeah. Here check the ledgers. Goodness. To go to all five boroughs, it take ages for me to make all these stuffs. On Your own. Yes. But I've got news for your friend. You're not the only one looking for that fabric. Really. Oh reporters. You know which paper they were with the Journal. That Madman. Hearst paying over a dozen men to track down leads they'll probably have their answers in a matter days. Well Guess I gotTa Hope, I get lucky and find it. I for the Police Department Sake I. Hope so too. Not only was carry in a race against the reporters he was already losing and the newspapers had been ridiculing the police department for months claiming that apartment was corrupt bloated and grossly ineffectual carry had to admit they were right after all. He had been demoted to the Bronx station because he'd made friends with the wrong boss. But even if the department wasn't corrupt, it would be hard for their detectives to compete with the reporters. Reporters at least got paid extra for finding answers quickly as detective Carey, began his slow slog. Cloth salesman one reporter began his own hunt for clues back at the city morgue. Nineteen year old Ned Brown stood in the morgue staring at the body. It's too discovered. Pieces having been placed back together on the slab. The pieces fit perfectly proving that they had been from the same victim and hinting that perhaps that victims had and legs were still out there. Wrapped in their own gaudy layers of paper and cloth ned was a student at Nyu who long to be a reporter had taken a summer job at Pulitzer's world to get his first taste of the work as a student. Ned. Had yet to be assigned to a big story but as luck would have it, he was the only reporter in the office when the bodies lower torso had arrived at the morgue, the paper's editor ordered him to report on anything the medical examiner said about the lower torso. Ned agreed determined to make his mark on the case. Given the full size of the body I believe it is safe to say this would have taken great strength and many hours to accomplish. It was likely done in a secluded location over a lengthy period of time. Do you think it could have been more than one killer? I'm sorry young man who are you ned? Brown New York world. Do you think the killer loan? No. I believe at least two people were involved in the slaying at the very least someone would have had to hold the arms up while the other saw through the torso. Any idea who the killers might be I cannot give you names only fear is based on the evidence. Based on marks near the shoulder, the saw used seems to be about one millimeter wide about the width of a butcher saw. Furthermore. The leg stump seemed to have been boiled. This means they had a base in large enough to fill with water and conductive enough to heat with fire. The stumps were either boiled in an attempt to dispose of the body. Or an attempt to cook it. Cannibals. You really suggesting cannibals did this cannibal butchers to be precise any idea who the victim might be well based on his genitalia he may have been Hebrew. But outside of discovering his severed head, it would be impossible to identify him. While the doctors were convinced the victim's name could not be discovered net was not so sure the cannibal butcher theory was sure to make his editor. Happy but to ned another piece of evidence was nine at the back of his mind. Victim's body was incredibly muscular. It was clear. The man made his living through some form of physical labor. Get his palms were soft and free from calluses. Ned. Knew he had seen hands like those before but where? Ned. Could only remember where he'd seen those hands. He knew he could crack the case. But his hunch wait as he pondered the situation, the story would continue to develop without him. Facing a wave of public pressure the police began bringing the families and friends of any missing persons to the morgue in an attempt to defy the body dozens of men and women came streaming through the room gawking at the corpse each with their own story to tell. Some realized in an instant, the body did not belong to anyone. They knew others required careful consideration of the body's many scars and foibles before they could conclude that they did not know the headless man at the same time entire groups of people would claim the victim was there late husband or brother or friend on fortunately none of these people could substantiate their claims. It seemed even parade of purveyors could not solve this case, but that made little difference to the papers and the men who ran them. While Joseph Pulitzer had plucky little Ned Brown running through the streets William Randolph hearst had an entire squadron of men. He called his wrecking crew haphazardly dashing all throughout the city. They would fly across the neighborhoods on bicycles racing together all the information that they could the wrecking crew visited the sites where the body parts were found the homes of people who claim to have identified the victim and police detectives all throughout the city just to make sure they didn't have any leads the reporters had missed. I wanted as much information on the murder as you could possibly acquire factual or otherwise while his morning new. York Journal was already known for being sensational hearst to just launched his evening journal a paper meant to be even more sensational, even more dramatic, even more eye catching than any paper had ever been before. The story of a madman hacking person to pieces in dumping them throughout the city was the perfect event to cover the evening journals front page he printed diagrams and recreations of the crime scenes and story after story filled with wild speculation. It was to be hearst's masterstroke. Unfortunately for him, his competition had a plan of their own. Resources I. I've got urgent news are spies at the world have a headline you're going to want to read well, handed over. The world will pay five hundred dollars in gold for the correct solution of the mystery five hundred dollars. That's a year salary for most people. Pulitzer's are smooth operator. That's for sure Sir that reward is being published at four o'clock today. Today, we'll beat us to the punch, but we'll beat them in the end. Make sure our five o'clock paper has our own offer one thousand dollars to anyone who brings me the solution nobody will go to Pulitzer after that Sir it's already mid afternoon we've printed half the stock will print them again, get them out tonight Pulitzer. We'll have this dead body over my dead body understand. Yes, sir. The river torso had only been reported on the day before and it had already ignited a whirlwind of activity in the city's newspapers. It was set to bring. Pulitzers and hearst's newspaper wars into a mad cap frenzy each attempting to outdo the other every step of the way the next day Tuesday June twenty-ninth both papers would receive all sorts of letters from interested parties trying to solve the case in win the reward one letter even accused the journal itself of purchasing a cadaver and spreading it across the city purely for the publicity Hurston, his men had a good laugh in printed the letter in their paper. He knew that would only generate more publicity and his next plan would top even. That for the first time in Human History Hurst plan to have a full color print paper release on a Tuesday afternoon he had an artist fully recreate the color and pattern of the red and gold or cloth and planned to have his front page claim. This was the single most important clue in the entire case when the caller page was released on Tuesday, the twenty ninth, the people of New York were stunned by it's brilliance and convinced the oilcloth was the key to solving the case yet while hearst's journal focused all its attention on the oilcloth the world's rambunctious year old reporter Ned Brown was focused on something else entirely he had finally remembered where he had seen such soft hands before. And on that Tuesday morning his memory was about to bust the case. Wide Open. Will identified the body after this. And now that the story. On Saturday June twenty, six, eighteen, ninety, seven, the upper torso of a dismembered man was found wrapped in oilcloth floating in the East River by Tuesday the twenty ninth New York City's leading newspapers had turned a grisly murder into the investigative. Of the, century William Randolph hearst and is New York Journal had put a near unlimited amount of resources into identifying the victim but Joseph Pulitzer's New York world would be the first to crack the case. All thanks to a wiry nineteen year old reporter named Ned. Brown man had found the victims muscular frame and soft hands particularly familiar. It was an odd combination. People rarely saw those days and by Tuesday, Ned had remembered the only place ever seen such thing the Turkish baths in midtown the Turkish. Baths employed many masseurs, all of whom had particularly toned physiques and soft hands making their massages the most relaxing in the city. The baths were a popular place for people to work off a hangover ned himself spent many a late night and early morning at the Murray hill baths on forty second street. The Murray hill baths claim to be the most handsome and perfect baths in the world has never stepped inside to see it's polished white marble floors in luxuriously long swimming pool he found it difficult to disagree. Ned noon no other reporter would have thought to look here. So he decided to keep his investigation as discreet as possible. He ordered a massage and waited until he was good and relaxed to ask a seemingly harmless question. Feels great I'm glad I was able to get a slot seems like you guys are awfully busy today. We are the best baths in town. We're busy everyday. Hey I don't disagree. It just seems like a longer line than usual. Maybe, someone slacking off not showing up for Work Lately, oh? Yeah. Good Ole Bill Bill I think I. Know a Bill who works here? What's his last name Bill Golden Sun Golden Sup. Not The bill I know. But what's with this bill? Anyway, leaving you all to pick up his slack, right? He took Friday off because he was going to look at a house in the country with his girl or so he said. Somebody called him in sick on Sunday and he hasn't been back since. Drunk someplace of course. They'll build bill. I must have seen him around here but I can't place him in my mind. He's built just like a big Dutchman. He has the upper half of a woman tattooed all over his chest, oh. Yeah. That's the guy. Ha has anybody gone to his place tracked him down and told them off no one knows exactly where he lives buddies somewhere in the German neighborhood near thirty third and ninth. There'd be no point in putting in the effort though next time he comes in, they'll just tell him he's fired. Even. Though he was in the middle of a relaxing, massage, ned could feel his heart racing. Bill Goldens up the missing masseur may very well have been the man on the slab and it was the first to figure it out. Golden had gone missing on Friday the day before the torso was found. Somebody else had called in sick for him on Sunday and hadn't been seen since he had the right build and to top it all off yet distinctive type two on his chest right where the flesh had been skimmed from the corpse. Ned was confident William Bill Golden. Sup was his John Doe. But he had to be sure. Once his massage was over, he made his way to thirty third and ninth. He found the nearest bar and spoke to the bartender pretending to be an old friend of Bill's. Hey quick question for you. I'm looking for my old buddy willie you seen him around lately Willie gotTa last name. Up. Oh William. He hasn't been around the past couple of days. Any idea where I might find him. He lives with his landlady in the apartment above Werner's drugstore down the block. He's probably just with her she got plenty of cash. She treats good. He's a hot sketch always after the dame's. You Bet. Ned was ecstatic. Even the bartender hadn't seen golden up for days and he had been shacking up with his landlady golden subs co worker said, he'd I taking the day off to see a house in the country with his girl perhaps Golden Sup had wound up in a fatal love triangle and met his end at her husband's hands ned needed to investigate the apartment and he needed to investigate this woman but he would have. To change tactics, I. If Golden Sup had been murdered by his lover's husband and she had yet to report it, she might have had something to do with the murder as well and if ned came around directly asking about a missing man, she might realize he was onto her she might try to run away and the trail would go cold thinking quickly he returned to the world's headquarters and made a request to his editor. I need ten dollars, ten dollars. What do you need that kind of money for I'm going to buy some really fancy soap soap cost twenty, five cents a bar I'm not just going to give you money to buy fancy soap look for. I. Think I've cracked the case of the cut up in the morgue I. Think I've found his name and I think I've found his killer. I just have to get his lady to let me into his old apartment so I can it. By giving her soap by selling her. So if I sell twenty five cents soap for five cents a bar, there isn't a woman in the world who had turned down that deal. You're a sly one ned fine. Here's your ten dollars now get out there and find your killer. With his plan fully funded Ned, rushed out to the fanciest soap store. He could find and stuffed his suitcase full of twenty five cent. He returned to the tenement buildings in golden subs- old neighborhood that same afternoon soap in hand to truly sell his soap salesman character ned went door to door selling soap to any woman who wanted to buy. Most women in that area were housewives and as soon as they heard of Ned Brown's great deal on soap they were leaning out their windows in telling their neighbors all about it. Every woman in a five block area heard about ned soap and as the sun start to lower in the sky net only had two bars of soap left. He was finally ready to put his plan into. Action. Med made his way to Werner's drugstore. Then climbed the rickety metal steps up to the second floor apartment. A brass name plate was placed in the center of the apartment door that read. Augusta neck licensed. Midwife. Ned smirked the city of New York didn't lie senses two midwives usually when a midwife lied about their credentials, they didn't deal in live births at all. Instead they sold something else entirely. But that wasn't nibs business right now kid come to Golden sups apartment to find golden sub. or The people who had killed him he raised his hand and knocked on the door. A woman answered she looked to be in her upper thirties and had long dark brown hair even though she wasn't beautiful. She had a strange way about her that exude an air of sensuality and intern. An era of danger. Even a man. If you have soap I have quite the deal the Spiel, just give me the soap now unfortunately I'm also though but for you I do have to bars left I just need a testimonial for my next add a testimonial if you could give the SOPA trial now while I wait, I'd be glad to let you have one. All right give me the soap. Handed her a bar of soap and she gestured him inside. As. She made her way to the bathroom sink. Ned took in a full view of the apartment and was not disappointed. Augustus place like she was in the process of moving out. Things were disordered. Rugs were rolled up and boxes were all around. As Augusta washed her hands in the other room. Ned kept his sales pitch going. Really feel the soap smell the fragrance. Let it sit in your skin softly caressing your senses. He was trying to stall so he could find something small anything at all connecting golden up to this apartment. If he could find something worth printing in the paper he would surely be rewarded as his eyes scan the room there seemed to be nothing that belonged to a man. But then on a small side table, he spotted it a photograph of a muscular blond man with a nicely groomed upturned moustache based on the description he'd heard of the man from the Bath House. This was a photograph of Golden Sup himself ned quickly snagged the photo in place it in his pocket just in the water stopped and Augusta returned to the room. This is good soap, but I do not care to be part of any AD. I suppose that's up to you. Know you give me the other soap also here's a dime. Fine. You have a nice day now. Ned pretended to be said, but in reality he was excited. She had noticed him take the photo and now she had led him leave with it. As he stepped back onto the staircase. He took a quick look at the address four, thirty, nine ninth avenue he memorized it then continued his descent. As he made his way down the stairs, another man made his way up ned tipped his hat. But the man did not tip his hat in return. He was an angry looking man with dark hair and an unshaven face he seemed to be in his early thirties but ned paid him little mind ned had his story and his photograph and he returned to the world headquarters that night ned had found more than enough circumstantial evidence to publish the theory that William Golden Sup was the victim and that his mistress and Landlady Augusta neck was somehow involved. Ned was the first to piece all this together and the next morning. The world would be the first to publish it but as ned returned home that Tuesday evening leaving the competition far behind members of hers wrecking crew were racing through the streets investing their own leads. That same night one of hearst's thirty reporters tracking down sales of Diamond B. Three, two, two, zero oilcloth stopped in a dry goods store owned by Max Reiger by checking rutgers ledgers. They found only one address for thirty, nine, nine, th avenue the home of Mrs Augusta Neck. By. Tracking two different trails of evidence to different newspaper had managed to identify the dismembered man lying in the morgue. And yet they're evidence was largely circumstantial when I saw the golden sub story printed in the world. The next day he knew he had been scooped, but the fight wasn't over yet. The world may have beaten him to the golden sub theory, but they beat him to the golden sub proof. We need an identification that can't be denied get the murder squad down to those Turkish baths and have them drag every one of those golden shop co workers to the morgue kicking and screaming if they have to and make sure this woman doesn't know a damn thing about it. Yes sir. On Wednesday June thirtieth members of hearst's murder squad went to the police and had them bring golden subs co workers to the morgue because they worked in a Turkish bath house it was safe to assume that his co workers had seen him naked on many occasions therefore, they would be able to identify his corpse. So. Does. This body belonged to William Golden, up, Oh yeah. That's bill. All right. I thought he was just being lazy. Didn't realize he was here. I'm sure this must be very shocking but I'm afraid I need to ask how do you know this? Is Him well, the hole in his chest as where his tattoo used to be. In that scar on his finger pretty sure. It's him and you know there's something else not to sound disrespectful but I do hope there's something else something about this body that could only be attributed to William. Golden Sup. There absolutely is I just. I don't WanNa be indecent. What happened to this man was far more in decent Sir giving a positive identification is the only decent thing we can do for him okay. Okay. It's HIS PENIS HIS PENIS Golden subs co worker explained. Golden Sup had become known at the Turkish baths for having distinct and uniquely identifiable Pinas. He often told his co workers about how his rabbi had botched his circumcision leaving him with a uniquely shaped foreskin. He often prank is co workers by exposing himself, tricking them into looking at it. Wants a man had been pranked in this fashion. It made it impossible for them to forget the site. Golden subs other CO workers also saw the body has each one viewed the corpse they all told the same story. This was William Golden up when I heard the details of this proof, he knew they were far too lurid to print even for his newspaper. Instead he focused on the other details included a quote from the coroner statement that golden sub had been identified. While Ned Brown and Pulitzer's world had beaten him to the victim hearst would stop at nothing to beat them to the killers. The hunt was on. Thanks again for tuning into solid murders, we'll be back next Wednesday with part two of William Golden Sop we'll see how cutthroat tabloid journalism helped catch the man's killer for more information on the murder of William Golden. Sup. Amongst the many sources we used we found Paul Collins book the murder of the century, the Gilded Age crime that scandalized city in spark the tabloid wars extremely helpful to our research. You can find all episodes of solved murders and all other park has originals for free on. 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S15: Best of 2020: William Guldensuppe Pt. 1
"It was a gruesome discovery that led to a relentless quest to catch a killer it also shaped investigative journalism as we know it uncover the missing pieces surrounding the murder of william golden in these standout episodes from the hit series solved. Murders if you enjoy them and want to hear more follow solved murders true crime mysteries free and only on spotify due to the graphic nature of this murder case listener discretion is advised. This episode includes graphic descriptions of genitalia as well as dramatization discussions of murder and assault that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. New york city in the eighteen nineties was a bustling metropolis rooming with promise. The city had recently constructed. Its first skyscrapers. The tallest of which stood higher than three hundred feet. Within one of these concrete titans was a behemoth of the newspaper industry. Joseph pollet sir and his daily publication the new york world he taken a dying publication and turned it into a sensation. He replaced dense information leading pages with bombastic attention grabbing headlines. He added comic strips and color printing to his sunday editions and he brought the price of his paper down to a staggering two cents crushing his rivals by eighteen. Ninety the new york world had become one of the single largest newspapers in existence. But with great success comes great competition in eighteen. Ninety five william randolph. Hearst purchased the failing new york morning journal and made it his mission to put the new york world out of business with his nearly limitless fortune. Hearst turned his journal into something more attention grabbing and more sensational than any paper ever before he brought the price of his issues. Down to a single cent and poached reporters from competing papers by paying exorbitant salaries. Hearst had declared war on just pulitzer and his new york world this declaration locked the two juggernauts of journalism into a heated conflict that would reshape american newspapers and change the course of american history itself. Their newspaper wars would range for decades but one of their most decisive battles would come from the most unlikely of places in the early hours of june twenty sixth 1897. A ferry passenger discreetly dropped couch cushion sized package into the east river. This single act would set the new york papers into a reporting frenzy and result in one of the most fascinating. And most publicized murder mysteries in the history of the world. Welcome to solve murders true crime mysteries a par cast original. I'm your host carter. Roy and i'm your host. Wendy mackenzie every wednesday. We step into the world of true crimes most fascinating murder cases and tell the tale of how real life detectives closed the case you can find episodes of solved murders and all other park has originals for free exclusively on spotify to stream solve murders for free on spotify. Just open the app anti solve murders in the search bar. This is our first episode. On the murder of william golden up in part one will cover the discovery of a dismembered corpse and the race between two different newspapers to identify the victim in part to we'll discuss the victim's life in the newspapers quest to catch a killer. We have all that and more coming up. Stay with us. This episode is brought to you by casper you're most life. Changing sleep is about. What's underneath with a casper mattress. you'll get the cooling supportive comfort. You need for the most refreshed feeling every morning. Only a casper dot com. This episode is brought to you by energizer. Spend fifteen dollars or more on energizer batteries and energizer will send you a five dollar reward via retail gift card visa prepaid card or as a five dollar transfer street your pay pal account certain restrictions apply for full terms and conditions visit energizer dot com slash spotify on saturday june. Twenty six eighteen ninety seven stifling summer air wafted through manhattan and crowds of people made their way to east third street. Thousands wanted to attend the grand opening of the city's first public promenade pier. Mood was lively and upbeat. A brass band empowered. Their breath away their sound echoing across the east river yet as the band held the people's rapt attention. The river held something far more interesting. Approximately eight blocks north. The rising tide carried a strange package bobbing on the water. The package was about the size of a sofa cushion and was tightly wrapped in a flashy gold oilcloth. It was heavy but floated despite its weight and it was tied together by several cords of white rope. The package was meant to be discarded and forgotten but instead it's deep red colouring and caught the eyes of four preteen boys playing on the unused east eleventh street pier. One of the boys leapt into the water and swam towards the package. He grasped by its ropes and pulled it back towards the pier once he reached the shore he it atop the rocks struggling against its weight his friends rush to help him and then stared at the package in wonder all sorts of treasures could show up in the east river silverware clothing jewelry furniture. Anything was possible in new york. This package had the potential to be the greatest treasure. They'd ever found filled with excitement. One of the boys pulled out a switchblade and sawed at the rope as he caught his blade slipped on the wet cord plunging through the oilcloth into the package itself. The slip left a thin hole in the wrappings and the boys watched with surprise as torpid. Blood oozed out. There is went wide as they stared at each other in astonishment. The boys were not repulsed. They were thrilled bleeding. Package wrapped in rope can only be one thing afresh side of pork lost by some poor butcher in the river. They were going to feast like kings. Hey sliced through the rope with renewed vigor. they peeled back the oilcloth to reveal a layer of burlap and then they peeled back the burlap to reveal course brown paper underneath the paper. They found pink flesh. It wasn't from a pig instead. The package contained a man's muscular arms and his torso severed off just below the ribs. The boys had not discovered a feast. They had uncovered a murder after moments of stunned silence. The boys panicked. They toss their bloody knife into the river. Then spent the next half hour arguing about what to do next drawn to the noise. A patrolman approached the boys and ask them what they'd found terrified. The boys told them their story. And the patrolman told them to settle down he'd call to have this body taken to the morgue and the boys would be free to go. The patrolman hall the body off of the beach and onto the pier than waited for two of his fellow detectives to arrive. That's an st. One wonder what happened to him. Roughly just those med students again up to their old tricks. They really upped the ante this day. Remember when they left that finger in that professor cigar box classic gag although in my opinion this tops. That any hersher except this time. The joke's on us. We're the ones who got to watch. This stiff gives us a good excuse to smoke. The policemen were largely unimpressed by their gruesome. Find as med students had been known to leave amputated body parts in strange places all around the city. They were confident that this package was merely a prank. And that the coroner would settle any worry soon after several hours. The torso was picked up and hauled off to bellevue morgue. The only morgue in manhattan and dark and dreary place. Each day the morgue would see twenty to thirty new bodies all laid out on marble slabs cold misty water ran over the slabs in an attempt to preserve the bodies and spook away the flies that were always buzzing around just as the scent of death attracted flies. The drama of death attracted reporters from every major publication in the city for meagre bribes unscrupulous mortgage attendance allowed reporters to wander the halls freely reporting on any corpse. They thought might make a good story. When the dismembered torso finally reached its own slab. Reporters had much the same reaction as the police officers. Who first discovered it. This gruesome find was simply the result of a med student prank. Nothing worth writing about. This would all change when the city's medical examiner. Dr george dow and bellevue's more superintendent. Dr thomas murphy spotted the torso. On their evening rounds. They took a closer look at the body and noted everything they found. The torso was muscular with soft white. Skin the head had been severed and the cut through the neck was rough and ragged the lower half of the torso had been cut through much more cleanly. Just below the fifth rib suspiciously a four inch. Horseshoe-shaped slice of skin had been removed from the chest just above the heart. It was an odd mark. that seemed purposeless. At first glance after seeing all the could on the surface the doctors began to take some measurements even though they only had the torso they measured. The man's linked from fingertip to fingertip. If the man had been in one piece he would've stood around five feet eleven inches tall. They estimated that he had way two hundred ninety pounds while alive and had been thirty five years old at the time of his death. Finally they noticed it while he had a musculature of a heavy laborer. The man's hands were soft and supple. He lacked the rough tallis's that most physical workers gained in their work and his nails. Were well manicured also significantly. His fingers were pliable and easy to bend indicating. That rigor mortis had yet to affect the body. There is a mystery here indeed. No medical student would have done this. A song and not a knife was used to sever the head. And the body. And if i might add. The removal of the flesh from the breast has a very suspicious. Look if i might venture a guess i would say it was meant to remove a distinctive tattoo that might have helped us identify the body. Yes it's all very suspicious. I believe this was a murder. And in my professional opinion the man of which this formed part of was alive. Twenty four hours ago. Dr dow's declaration had stunned the room and many of the reporters present new. They had just struck gold several rush their notes to the press immediately while other stayed behind to witness the autopsy. A closer examination of corpse found several more interesting details. The arms had boot-shaped bruises indicating victim had been pinned to the ground or kicked. Some of his fingernails held blood likely for a struggle against his attacker. His left hand also had a glancing cut likely from a knife. When they took a finer look at the flesh that had been removed from the chest they found too deep stab wounds one pierce downwards just above his left collarbone the other had plunged just between his fifth and sixth ribs stabbing directly into his heart examination of the wounds that blood had flowed into them indicating the victim had been stabbed while he was still alive in contrast the cuts at his neck and bottom of his torso had been done post mortem. It seemed he had been stabbed to death and dismembered forward for easy disposal also. Interestingly the stab wounds did not have any cloth fibers within them. This meant the victim had been naked when killed and likely lying on his back. Perhaps he'd been murdered well asleep or even in the midst of an intimate act and yet even though the autopsy could tell them so much about their victims tragic fate. There were still many unanswered questions. Who exactly was this man. And where was the rest of his body. It was only a matter of time before they found. They are answers coming up a second. Gruesome discovery provides a clearer piece of the puzzle. This episode is brought to you by cyberpunk twenty seventy seven from cd project. Red creators of the witcher three wild hunt come cyberpunk twenty seventy seven and world first person action adventure set in the dark future of nights city. 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Whims made this a murder mystery. Ripe for the sensational yellow journalism of the time the next morning sunday. The twenty seventh. Both william randolph. Hearst's new york journal. And joseph pulitzer's new york world dedicated front page space to the piecemeal corpse both declared it a horrific end intriguing case both wondered where the rest of the body could be. Get while the papers were speculating. Detective arthur carry in the hybrid. Stationhouse in the bronx had the answer. Things got away at least one. Hundred pounds register founded. My boys spotted in a ravine in august woods nearby. The harlem river. It's a real wild place. There's only one house for a whole quarter mile up there. You said it smelled bad. I'm not smelling anything right now. That's because it's tightly wrapped if you pull on that oilcloth you'll see. Smells like murder. Bringing this in mr meyer but you should get your kids outta here. I don't think they wanna see what's inside. As detective carey opened the package. He founded was also wrapped in a layer of burlap and a layer of brown paper inside he found the lower torso of a man sought apart from the rest of his body. It's top was cut just below the ribs in the bottom sliced off just below the hip joints as such the legs. Were not attached. But the man's genitals were fully intact kerry thought little of the wounds or genitals at the time instead. He focused his attention on. A small clue stuck to the victims back. He peeled off a sticky piece of brown paper with a distinct ink stamp. The stamp read kugler and woolens. And with that kerry at his first lead kerry bag to stamp and cut off a piece of the oilcloth for reference then. He made his way across the harlem river into the big city. Kugler and woolens was a hardware store in the predominantly. German bowery district of manhattan. The district was known for its many great drinking venues and it's incredibly competent. business owners. Aunts kugler co owner of kugler and woolens was no different mr kugler. I'm detective kerry used to be stationed near here a few years back but a hammer once. Yes yes. I remember your face detective. Are you here to get the hammer repaired. Nah hammer still going. Strong here to ask if you recognize this paper smells like death. Did you find it in a dead body or something on a dead body. Yeah well that's our stamp and serial number. Let me check. the ledger. Looks like the paper was used to wrap a saw. Make sense any chance. You know who bought it. Sadly no it was purchased with cash fair enough. I got one last question for you. Ernst you know where. I can find the person who sells oilcloth like this. Oh that smells brand new. Did it come from the same body. Yeah couple layers of wrapping between them I recommend you check with henry feuerstein on stand very professional wholesaler. Thanks kugler maybe. I'll stop by and buy something. Some time kerry made his way three blocks north to henry. For your stains warehouse and orthodox jewish immigrant from hungary feuerstein was also working hard on sunday and more than willing to help. Detective jerry tracked down his lead a f- buchanan and sons diamond. Be number of three. Two two ot people hate that fabric. I haven't sold any in the last four months so it should be easy to track down right relatively yes. I've only sold it to fifty or so stores fifty and you say people hate it now. Yeah here check the ledgers goodness. Go to all five boroughs. It takes ages for me to make all these stuffs on your own. Yes but i've got news for you friend. You're not the only one looking for that fabric. Really oh reporters you know which paper they were with the journal that madman hearst his paying over a dozen men to track down leads. They'll probably have their answers in a matter of days. Well guess i gotta hope. I get lucky and find it. I for the police departments sake. I hope so too. Not only was carry in a race against the reporters he was already losing and the newspapers had been ridiculing. The police department for months claiming the department was corrupt. Bloated and grossly ineffectual. Carry had to admit they were right after all. He had been demoted to the bronx station. Because he'd made friends with the wrong boss but even if the department wasn't corrupt it would be hard for their detectives to compete with the reporters reporters at least got paid extra for finding answers quickly. As detective carey began his slow. Slog chasing down cloth salesman. One reporter began his own hunt for clues beck at the city morgue eighteen year old. Ned brown stood in the morgue staring at the body. It's too discovered pieces having been placed back together on the slab. The pieces fit perfectly proving that they had been from the same victim and hinting that. Perhaps that victims had and legs were still out there wrapped in their own gaudy layers of paper and cloth. Ned was a student at who longed to be a reporter and had taken a summer job at pulitzer's world to get his first taste of the work as a student. Ned had yet to be assigned to a big story but as luck would have it. He was the only reporter in the office when the bodies lower torso had arrived at the morgue. The paper's editor ordered him to report on anything. The medical examiner said torture so net agreed determined to make his mark on the case given the full size of the body. I believe is safe to say this would have taken great strength and many hours to accomplish. It was likely done in a secluded location over a lengthy period of time. Do you think it could have been more than one killer. I'm sorry young man. Who are you ned. Brown new york world do think the killer acted alone. No i believe at least two people were involved in the slaying. At the very least someone would have had to hold the arms up while the other saw through the torso any idea who the killers be. I cannot give you names. Only theories based on the evidence based on marks near the shoulder. The saw used seems to be about one millimeter wide about the width of a butcher saw. Furthermore the leg stump seemed to have been boiled. This means they had a base in large enough to fill with water and conductive enough to heat with fire. The stumps were either boiled in an attempt to dispose of the body or an attempt to cook it cannibals. You really suggesting cannibals did this cannibal butchers to be precise any idea who the victim might be well based on his genitalia. He may have been hebrew but outside of discovering his severed head. It would be impossible to identify him wall. The doctors were convinced. The victim's name could not be discovered. Net was not so sure. The cannibal butcher theory was sure to make his editor happy but to ned. Another piece of evidence was at the back of his mind. The victim's body was incredibly muscular. It was clear. The man made his living through some form of physical labor. Get his palms. Were soft and free from calluses. Ned knew he had seen hands like those before where ned could only remember where he'd seen those hands he knew he could crack the case but his hunch would have to wait as he pondered the situation. The story would continue to develop without him facing a wave of public pressure. The police began bringing the families and friends of any missing persons to the morgue in an attempt to identify the body dozens of men and women came streaming through the room gawking at the corpse each with their own story to tell some realized in an instant the body did not belong to anyone they knew others required careful consideration of the body's many scars and foibles before they could conclude that they did not know the headless man at the same time entire groups of people would claim the victim. Was there late husband or brother or friend on. None of these people could substantiate their claims. It seemed even a parade of purveyors could not solve this case but that made little difference to the papers and the men who ran them while joseph. Pulitzer had plucky little ned brown running through the streets william randolph. Hearst had an entire squadron of men he called his wrecking. Crew haphazardly dashing. All throughout the city they would fly across the neighborhoods on bicycles racing together all the information that they could. The wrecking crew visited the sites where the body parts were found the homes of people who claim to have identified the victim and police detectives all throughout the city. Just to make sure they didn't have any leads. The reporters had missed. Hearst wanted as much information on the murder is it could possibly acquire factual or otherwise. While his morning new york journal was already known for being sensational. Hearst had just launched his evening journal a paper meant to be even more sensational even more dramatic even more eye catching than any paper had ever been before the story of a madman hacking person to pieces in dumping them. Throughout the city was the perfect event to cover the evening journal's front page he printed diagrams and recreations of the crime scenes and story after story filled with wild speculation. It was to be hearst's masterstroke. Unfortunately for him is competition had a plan of their own burst. I've got urgent. News are spies at the world. Have a headline. you're going to want to read handed over. The world will pay five hundred dollars in gold for the correct solution of the mystery. Five hundred dollars a year salary for most people smooth operator. That's for sure sir. That reward is being published at four o'clock today today. We'll beat us to the punch but we'll beat them in the air and make sure our five o'clock paper has our own offer one thousand dollars to anyone who brings me the solution. Nobody will go to pulitzer after that. Sir it's already mid afternoon we've printed half the stock print again and get them out tonight. Pulitzer we'll have this dead body over my dead body understand. yes sir. The river torso had only been reported on the day before and it has already ignited a whirlwind of activity. In the city's newspapers it was set to bring pulitzers and her newspaper wars into a mad cap frenzy each attempting to outdo the other every step of the way. The next day. Tuesday june twenty-ninth both papers would receive all sorts of letters from interested parties trying to solve the case and win the reward. One letter even accused the journal itself a purchasing a cadaver and spreading it across the city purely for the publicity hurston. His man had a good laugh in printed the letter in their paper he knew that would only generate more publicity and his next plan would top even that for the first time in human history hurst plan to have a full color print paper release on a tuesday afternoon. He had an artist fully. Recreate the color and pattern of the red and gold oilcloth and planned to have his front page claim. This was the single most important clue in the entire case when the caller page was released on tuesday. The twenty ninth. The people of new york were stunned by its brilliance and convinced the oilcloth was the key to solving the case. Yet while hearst's journal focused all its attention on the oilcloth the world's rambunctious nineteen year old reporter. Ned brown was focused on something else entirely. He had finally remembered where he had seen such soft hands. Before and on that tuesday morning his memory was about to bust. The case wide open will identified the body after this bloomberg dot com global news coverage helps you see the opportunity ahead. As the leading authority in global business bloomberg dot com reveals new ways of looking at the most urgent issues facing our world like shifts and technology the role of climate justice and social justice the economic empowerment of women solutions for emerging local economies and more with twenty seven hundred journalists and analysts in more than one hundred twenty bureaus around the world. Bloomberg dot com delivers unbiased. 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It was an odd combination. People rarely saw those days. And by tuesday ned had remembered the only place he had ever seen such a thing. The turkish baths in midtown the turkish baths employed many masseurs all of whom had particularly toned physiques and soft hands making their massages the most relaxing in the city. The baths were popular place for people to work off a hangover. Ned himself had spent many a late night and early morning at the murray hill baths on forty second street. The murray hill baths claim to be the most handsome perfect baths in the world has never stepped inside to see. It's polished white marble floors in luxuriously long swimming pool. He found it difficult to disagree. Ned noon no other reporter would have thought to look here so he decided to keep his investigation as discreet as possible. He ordered a massage and waited until he was good and relaxed to ask a seemingly. Harmless question feels great. I'm glad i was able to get a slot. Seems like you guys are awfully busy today. We are the best baths in town. We're busy everyday. Hey i don't disagree. It just seems like a longer line than usual. Maybe someone's slacking off not showing up for work lately. Oh yeah good. Old bill bill. I think i know a bill who works here. What's his last name. Bill golden sun golden sup. Not the bill. I know but what this bill anyway. Leaving you all to pick up his slack right. He took friday off because he was going to look at a house in the country with his girl or so. He said somebody called him in sick on sunday and he hasn't been back since drunk someplace. Of course they'll bill. I must have seen him around here. But i can't place him in my mind. He's built just like a big dutchman. He has the upper half of a woman tattooed all over his chest. Oh yeah that's the guy Has anybody gone to his place. Tracked him down and told them off. No one knows exactly where he lives buddies somewhere in the german neighborhood near thirty. Third and ninth. There'd be no point in putting in the effort. Though next time he comes in. They'll just tell him he's fired. Even though he was in the middle of a relaxing massage ned could feel his heart racing. Bill golden up the missing masseur may very well have been the man on the slab and it was the first to figure it out. Golden sup had gone missing on friday the day before the torso was found. Somebody else had called in sick for him on sunday and he hadn't been seen since he had the right build and to top it all off yet. A distinctive tattoo on his chest. Right where the flesh had been skinned from the corpse. Ned was confident william bill. Golden up was his john doe but he had to be sure wants. His massage was over. He made his way to thirty third and ninth. He found the nearest bar and spoke to the bartender pretending to be an old friend of bill's. Hey quick question for you. I'm looking for my old buddy. Willie you seen him around lately. Willie got last name goldens up. Oh william and he hasn't been around the past couple of days any idea where might find him. He lives with his landlady in the apartment. Above werner's drugstore down the block. He's probably just with her. She got plenty of cash. She treats them good. He's hot sketch. Always after the dame's bet. Ned was static. Even the bartender hadn't seen golden up for days and he'd been shacking up with his landlady. Golden subs co said. He'd first taking the day off to see a house in the country with his girl perhaps golden sub head wound up in a fatal love triangle and met his end at her husband's hands. Ned needed to investigate the apartment and he needed to investigate this woman but it would have to change tactics. I if goldensohn had been murdered by his lover's husband and she had yet to report it. She might have had something to do with the murder as well. And if ned came around directly asking about a missing man she might realize he was onto her. She might try to run away and the trail would go cold thinking quickly. He returned to the world's headquarters and made a request to his editor. I need ten dollars ten dollars. What do you need that kind of money for. I'm going to buy some really fancy soap soap. The cost twenty five cents a bar. I'm not just going to give you money to buy fancy soap. look it's for. I think i've cracked the case of the cut up in the morgue. I think i've found his name. And i think i found his killer. I just have to get his lady. Let me into his old apartment. So i can prove it. I giving her soap by selling her soap. If i sell twenty five cents soap for five cents a bar there isn't a woman in the world who would turn down that deal. You're sly one ned fine. Here's your ten dollars. Now get out there and find your killer. With his plan. Fully-funded ned rushed out to the fanciest. Soap store he could find and stuffed his suitcase. Full of twenty five cent bars. He returned to the tenement buildings in golden subs old neighborhood that same afternoon soap in hand to truly sell his soap salesman character. Ned went door to door selling soap to any woman who wanted to buy. Most women in that area were housewives and as soon as they heard of ned. Brown's great deal on soap. They were leaning out their windows in telling their neighbors all about it. Every woman in a five block area heard about ned soap and as the sun started to lower in the sky. Net only had two bars of soap left. He was finally ready to put his plan into action. Ned made his way to werner's drugstore. Then climb the rickety metal steps up to the second floor apartment. A brass name plate was placed in the center of the apartment door that read augusta nack licensed midwife ned smirked. The city of new york didn't issue licenses two midwives usually when a midwife lied about their credentials. They didn't deal in live births at all instead. They sold something else entirely. But that wasn't nibs business right now. He had come golden sups apartment to find golden sup or the people who had killed him. He raised his hand and knocked on the door. A woman answered. She looked to be in her upper thirties and had long dark brown hair. Even though she wasn't beautiful she had a strange way about her. That exuded an air of sensuality and intern an era of danger. Even a man. If you have soap. I have quite the deal. Just gimme the soap now. Unfortunately i'm all sold out. But for you. Do you have to bars left. I just need a testimonial for my next add. Testimonial if you could give the sopa trial now while i wait i'd be glad to let you have one all right. Give me the soap. Ned handed her bar of soap and she gestured him inside as she made her way to the bathroom sink. Ned took in full view of the apartment and was not disappointed. Augustus place looked like she was in the process of moving out. Things were disordered. Rugs were rolled up and boxes. Were all around. As augusta washed her hands in the other room. Ned kept his sales pitch going. Really feel the soap smell the fragrance. Let it sit on your skin softly caressing your senses. He was trying to stall so he could find something. Small anything at all connecting golden up to this apartment. If he could find something worth printing in the paper he would surely be rewarded as his eyes scan the room. There seemed to be nothing that belonged to a man with then on a small side table. He spotted it a photograph of a muscular blonde man with a nicely groomed upturned moustache based on the description he'd heard of the man from the bath house. This was a photograph of golden sup himself. Mid quickly snagged the photo in place it in his pocket just in the water stopped. An augusta returned to the room. Mrs good soap. But i do not care to be part of any ad. Oh i suppose that's up to you now. You give me the other soap. Also here's a dime fine. You have a nice day now. Ned pretended to be sad but in reality he was excited. She had noticed him. Take the photo. And now she had let him leave with it as he stepped back onto the staircase. He took a quick look at the address. Four thirty nine ninth avenue he memorized. It then continued his descent as he made his way down the stairs. Another man made his way up. Ned tipped his hat but the man did not tip his head in return. He was an angry looking man with dark hair. An unshaven face. He seemed to be in his early thirties. But ned paid him little mind. Ned had his story and his photograph and he returned to the world's headquarters that night. Ned had found more than enough circumstantial evidence to publish the theory. That william golden sup was the victim and that his mistress and landlady augusta nack was somehow involved was the first to piece all this together and the next morning the world would be the first to publish it but as ned return home that tuesday evening leaving the competition far behind members of two wrecking crew were racing through the streets investigating their own leads that same night. When of hearst's thirty reporters tracking down sales of diamond b. Three two two zero oilcloth stopped dry goods store owned by max by checking rutgers ledgers. They found only one address for thirty nine. Nine th avenue. The home of mrs augusta nack why tracking two different trails of evidenced. Two different newspapers had managed to identify the dismembered man lying in the morgue and yet they're evidence was largely circumstantial. When i saw the golden sub story printed in the world the next day he knew he had been scooped but the fight over yet the world may have beaten him to the golden sub theory. But they wouldn't beat him to the golden sub proof. We need an identification. That can't be denied. Get the murder squad down to those turkish baths and have them every one of those. Golden sop co workers to the morgue kicking and screaming. If they have to and make sure this knack woman doesn't know what god damn thing about it yes sir. On wednesday. june. Thirtieth members of hearst's murder squad went to the police and had them bring golden. Subs co workers to the morgue. Because they worked in a turkish bath house it was safe to assume that co workers had seen him naked on many occasions therefore they would be able to identify his corpse. So does this body belonged to william golden sop. Oh yeah that's bill all right. I thought he was just being lazy. Didn't realize he was here. I'm sure this be very shocking. But i'm afraid i need to ask. How do you know this is him. Well the whole in just as where. His tattoos used to be and that scar on his finger. Pretty sure it's him and you know. There's something else not to sound disrespectful but i do hope there's something else something about this body that could only be attributed to william golden sup there absolutely is i just. I don't wanna be indecent happened to. This man was far more indecent sir. Giving a positive identification is the only decent thing we can do for him. Okay okay. it's his penis. His penis golden subs co worker explained. Goldensohn had become known at the turkish baths for having a distinct and uniquely identifiable penis. He often told his coworkers about how his rabbi had botched his circumcision leaving him with a uniquely shaped foreskin he often pranked his co workers by exposing himself tricking them into looking at it once a man had been pranked in this fashion. It made it impossible for them to forget the site. Golden subs other. Workers also saw the body has each one viewed the corpse. They all told the same story. This was william golden sup. When i heard the details of this proof he knew they were far too lured to print even for his newspaper instead. He focused on the other details and included a quote from the coroner statement that golden sup had been identified. While ned brown pulitzer's world had beaten him to the victim. Hearst would stop at nothing to them to the killers. the hunt was on. Thanks again for tuning in to solve murders. We'll be back next wednesday with part. Two of william golden stop we'll see how cutthroat tabloid journalism helped catch the man's killer for more information on the murder of william colby up the many sources we used. We found paul collins book. The murder of the century the gilded age crime that scandalized a city and sparked the tabloid extremely helpful to our research. 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S1E2: The Shawn Harvey Morning Show - Wed Sept 11, 2019
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You know they are today is nine eleven eighteen years ago today. Oh I know I can't even believe it's been eighteen years that two planes we had the worst terror attack on. US soil down in New York wants you folks do correlate share your nine eleven stories real quick Essen okay graph. Just throw that out there yeah you guys call in and let us know where you were at that day. You're supposed to be at work or While today on there will be some things memorial services going on president trump and melania trump. They're going to mark the anniversary today on at the White House. I'm eight forty. Am with a moment of silence that was around the time the first plane on American Airlines flight eleven then crashed into the north tower of the World Trade Center the president will then travel to the Pentagon to lay a wreath and give remarks in tribute of those killed when the flight crashed into the building the vice president is going to deliver remarks at ten thirty at the flight ninety three national memorial near Shanksville Pennsylvania genius. I don't even know where that is out. West central Pennsylvania okay that they're going to honor those aboard United Airlines flight ninety three that crashed there as well There's also going to be a memorial service at the nine eleven memorial and museum in New York it opens up at nine. Am today it's also going to include a reading of the victims names in a moment of silence our church bells will be ringing throughout the city at the time playing struck doc the north tower that she'd be around eight forty fifty the south tower and the Pentagon in Shanksville when the towers fell so you'll probably be hearing that if you're in New York City and so you know you guys can watch all of those things earlier today or just take a moment to you. Remember the people and the workers. You know tricky Lewis I think he said his father didn't he say that his father was real. Quick a quick to do for nine eleven. How tribute will share our memories of nine eleven so we're starting late? I assume the gentlemen I've been a gentleman for the last I seventy you have enough kept my my penis cut pants for correct consecutive five years in a row in relationship Clapham pitchy not because of a gentleman sitting Ugo froze up. Could you share your nine eleven and everybody share share a please call it. It's like if you want to share about sitting down. Eleven of I ninety eighteen eighteen years ago I was in sixth grade sounds like eleven ah I was like eleven and was Einars probably twelve scout to the end I was in school and we had like a free period where you can go and just do your work before your next class and actually one of my teachers features a shutout me Sherry. She was actually too and she was there. She was like the Monitor for our free period and she had just started crying crying. She got a phone call. She was crying. She was so upset and you know. We were just all like what's the matter what's going on you okay and I believe I forget forget. If her husband worked at the World Trade Center he worked very close but he was down there like in the center of it and I remember her telling us what happened and then I remember urges being scared because you know my mom worked down in the city so I was very scared about that. I knew I started crying and was worried but my dad came to pick up me and my sister that day and we just went home and we were watching it on TV. We actually still have it my dad was recording on the VCR so we actually still have the live tape right of when it was happening you know and when the when the towers falling everything I should go back and watch the video even have a VCR but that was Israeli crazy and you know we heard from my mom. You know she was down there but she had gone to meet up with my aunt and they went to you know someplace safe and they were together. They were good so else said please attributed nine of them. We move on please feel free to share your stories or typing room you experience while be calm. Tom Woods. What was that day for you? Nine eleven teams go. I was actually an administrative assistant for a nursing home home in eastern and we had just started morning in one of my residents I was taking them down to therapy and he was against the better someone that the he started start crying. I didn't even know what happened. I'm like why are you crimes are. He said a plane just flew into the world trade. I'll say no way possible so I took the downside. We Talk TV on the shore enough. The first first plane had just hit in. I'm in a room full of elderly you know war vets and service people and they just like lost there. I'm like okay now getting the most new why am I okay and it was just it was devastating to see so many people lose their lives to some so Sicily's your and into found out later therefore my cousins with their because there was at work. Thank God they're all saying you're really hit home for any moment. You know things can what happens anyone about. It was crazy. It was one thousand nine hundred thou- that was that was a hard day tribute nine eleven like I was I s I was working baby boomers number three. We just had our daughter traded wives traded now trae why the train of families right like I have to train the family imports family to be named later would've first draft pick was my daughter Charlotte arena not knowing okay go also also so while I mean that transition to families all knows in two thousand I was working in the World Trade Center I was working for this delivery service. I was driving my van as an independent contractor delivering of backup taste the name of the company was eyeing mountains but we were contracts you know actually the cable guy but not the cable but the over the Independent Guy Ryan on car right unmarked vans or what we were based in the World Trade Center five World Trade Center under underneath one or two so city we early that year they made the Digital World Trade Center that earlier in the year they announced that we were moving yeah from the World Trade Center to knock in New Jersey right across through phone giant stadium we move out of the World Trade Center the July thirty first two thousand one and we will actually the body because worldspace and has been conquered by no. I know the World Trade Divisional Wheelchair this big cities in had a big concourse ousted thousands of stores all trains Raines is a big hobby. It was just a lot going on so we've moved out on July dirty. I write in the planes hit the building of a month after Sydney. I know about fifty people that pass away in a day aw in everyday folks city that day I was delivering because I was delivering on the East. It's not a Manhattan knows my route Grand Central Air Forty Second Street Masimba. Let like Sorta like right around here like this really my area that was take a break right so this is my so Sydney how much lobbying delivering packages right my mother God bless my mother. She calls me so airplane. It just hit the World Trade Center. This is my ma not now I gotta fossil with Paul and got to get upstairs. Tharus Call Alpar those job in the hand delivered. I got a delivery van physical senator job. This finding solar ray ban got my hands with Joe talked about what you came with Japan the city I take the handler I'd go upstairs the second floor the computer will everyone's gathered around the television so so I couldn't understand what was going on. Dogo Joe play hit the World Trade Center go mobile was just talking about that he got onto the TV syndrome more than look at TV. I seen the second plane at the building yeah more Madison. I'm freaking out my thought Barbie. Have you not do it until the Russians were those of war. The Russians was comedy. Ten shadow soccer's sitting. I come outside. I I see everybody panicking so come and southbound Lexington. I see these three fire trucks going south towards World Trade Center. There were located on fifty first in Lexington Day sin. Don't you know all of firefighters passed. It passed away in nine eleven every single one of Oh from the fire station. I wave at these guys every day. Sit I go adra to Madison Forty Second Street because I had a help at that the time out of my he pull he won't even going on young kid. Does that so people at this point crying in the street I walks of Fifth Avenue. If forty thirty nine you could clearly see the world trade center to Three Mile Salvage. You could see the whole city Zinni. This thing was on fire. I couldn't believe what I was looking at. I couldn't comprehend I couldn't I want. I couldn't tell me what I was looking. I just couldn't believe it. I just said you know what we call the dispatch email not. They're delivering some uh-huh yeah well. I'm working so the patch you go. Stay put Dogo nowhere. I'll call him back for strokes. You build it. I'm dying so I'm going to die. I'm going to the Bronx forget about his the home of the new babies the new the new. I got a new yeah yeah I gotta get gotTa get this family. Thank you to my grandma police fan fan because it'd be a WHIZ staff back cine. I'm going northbound dirt ad trying to get to the Bronx. Everybody's running industry yeah so the young kid that was with me. He says Jokingly Joe Oh man running. I never seen this never seen where people running issue. They're leaving builders. They running for an open man young kid. Oh aw we'll pass it a bank. He goes your job your job but he goes. Oh this'll be a dotan around the great okay. I don't look city nobody today. The doors like the big is is open. Everybody's running out there like you know what a great idea. That was a great town of Rob something right anything you could so made it back to the bronx injure because I thought war your folks calling. I thought it was war. I don't know what's going on yeah. I know a lot of people thought it was an accident and so the second plane soon I the first thing he was sitting. People people crying older. I get back to hood. I'm in the Bronx. Now East tremont Morris Park does not with a mobile APP but still saying even the hood was like everybody was stunned right. Everybody I checked on my mom. She was I went to the crib and I stayed in the House for two days because they shut down Manhattan. They shut the whole borough that you can get in there so our condolences go out to folks that pass away against my man dog mad comedian Sidney J who used to open up a roth stapleton he was an engineer at the building right since this guy ran out the building right right back in the same people save some folks we're back in the same more folks in the building collapse uh-huh and stories Mana just these people are true heroes yeah that was trying to save folks in Paris and then you know police firemen so salute to the divers responded everyone and it affected me my brother Rub in law passed away two years ago right because he worked down six or seven months and he caught throat cancer on that blocking got cancelled genetic pathway Cranston so now we're in a whole new world because of that sadness eighteen years later singer so please share your nine eleven stores. Please call in wherever wherever you want to share any thoughts you have this what we're GonNa do real quick so I'm calling from the only chat room member of the week that didn't care. He was chat remember week. Let's are you. I'm okay that's a Tuesday. I will never ever forget never ever I'm at home. You know I didn't have to go here. I was in a four forty of and the fleet at the time I'm at home. The phone ring is like a Sorta aw come in a Mike Lee Talking about you need to come in and I was going on turn on your TV. I'll turn on the TV. Maybe I thought the movie a movie. I still thought I had HBO on Right Right. I just can't be real. This can't be real in a second plank aiming. I was like old you know so I had to get everything uniformed up. Go to Milwaukee so that's what I noticed. Something Weird there. No no birds fly besides is crazy. It was yeah it was an eerie silence. That's what do y'all this is serious. You know if things things went on like three years later a contract was up. That's what I lateral and left the air force and went back to harm so I get into groundwater force dude a bit doing disrespecting military grant got the chair for so then you get everybody nobody else. I was like I got I got I got to go out when came back into green but that was that was a wild day as you know and then I couldn't contact my cousin does the the white sox but in New York to play the Yankees thanks and he was a manager of the White Sox at the time Jerry Man. You're not my cousin. I can contact him. I'm like Y'all was up. You know what I'm saying. I didn't know if he was in a vicinity of and and all those people that died out this I mean that that was his heart awesome. You know what I was saying about nine eleven and working in that building and my condolences go out to at least be thousand swain two thousand of them with nine eleven area I wanna say this. They struck the buildings at nine o'clock in the morning sitting and I'm gonNA keep erosion from working down there for seven years every day if they will did that eleven o'clock one o'clock in the afternoon at lunchtime it would have been twenty thousand would have been worse in. I'm not you know not minimizing what happened and has changed how we live today Tro Dad because you know it was weird and one of the things I say is kind of strange that something that horrible needs to happen in this country tighten up and coming together shouldn't be that right now too but you know he makes very interesting to see how when that when that incident incident happened he went from the we call the air force so forth searfoss was and he goes to army the fight. You Know How many young folks join the military after singer might so he's right like it. This affects our whole a whole different world because right and a lot of people say a lot of things about America but at the end of the day you go for take home it don't matter about losing office and WHO's in charge you go home. You know Bush. Bush Bush was in office. Bush was like a rock with lips where he was going people going for tank. They're Oh yes yes sir yes sir I mean how much crab was going on in the hood. During an attack period the like crime just you know everybody was looking for the dog on people to come out of the sky cash use for trying to take over. You know what I'm saying the time I mean there was one thing that I did that. I didn't cosigned. Cj when white folks was out there everybody else started attacking Arrow folks in Indian folks escaped the had nothing to do with none of this this but he's absolutely right the crime. Just stop in the crowd in the hood. Stop for at least a week seen like nothing nothing was going on. Everybody was trying to protect home just like you were saying but then I wanNA say it is for folks Linnet because it has military experiencing that I support him because he was in the boat. You're a different type of man than I am. In Johnson. y'All do shooting at each other and I started running city right. See the limit myself. Is I run away from gunfire. Lynn run right slapping. Ask We applaud those that's why he's on heavy medication now. He can't wear boots and you gotta stay away from San try back thing he bagging the day awards bull ooh let it city if you didn't know limits a DJ. I I know that yeah I've heard of isn't needs a lot of lessons from Sean trip Sapphire chat but but this is the world accomplishment. Let's level Komo service BRO again. Thank you thank you and continue to take your medication a normal normal balance out say that again I'm trying to normal balance out out and tell people hey there's all kinds of wrong upstairs but you know trying to get it right right. Oh some people some people embarrassed about it. I'm not exactly we've got him sitting. We're GONNA take a quick break because we get back into the news as you Klepto guns in what is going on with you. Good morning shoutout to you got in your team. What is he doing? You're putting a whole bunch of emojis in there he with guns Klepto Guy. He's putting Sir let go God alternate gun guns super creative. Eh You're not gonNA come once you say to everybody in the chapel because Serbian rule. That's the first thing you can go up and says you know I whereas it 'cause. That's the problem with everybody is so damn polarize that they come in and say hello and good morning everyone. Let's are we good to me so uncle talking say hello to everyone i. These people been in this room way before he's as good I M apostrophe. No no no no we ain't China correct the grammar to sit there and say hello to everyone in the ass on your first day in this thing I will throw you the the hell out of you because I don't have no time for now this all over Sir Sir one and tell us does your nine eleven story Klepto ready to be your picture older. Young Krant says he's GonNa say anything about that. 'cause I know you will love fast then. I'm leaving early one what it is rented but don't worry this is just for a a little while longer you know just to lie aged just do not like throwing orgies first couple of weeks at this place. You know what you started a new job. They want you to like do all this extra stuff go to meetings Gabon none of that. Yes the weight event self-checkout today the new. That's no good you guys. I forgot my lunch today too. So thank you know Barbie button to and everybody say it going going by shopping online. Watch me it's not the we're just talking about nine eleven. Stop Way where that day when you were doing when we come back to nine eleven story AH I don't waiting for shot the comeback saw. Are you okay. That's okay okay no we did. We did the ones we're running out so the no I didn't keep we kept a pack of we did anything case yeah you sit up but now now we have I and so I'm excited for next Saturday I didn't I didn't get one the goal. I don't know I think black maybe copy lag gold. ooh Yeah Gama offer right. That's what I was saying but I was like I had no idea I don't remember party Oh yes back back. Say thank God for Jesus. Jay Is Wednesdays Wednesdays of two thousand in one thousand nine hundred twenty five minutes walk back because see Jaylen Chatham is wide open. Take your phone long morning. How how you doing Great Sean how here in downtown Strasbourg whether there'll be a point and the grease? 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They come in all black Speedo sent one sock the rain in a white headband stomping on sixty eight lack beautiful and snow black rules but I'm not we will not be sitting at your table. I aw come on. Let's get considered league. Okay yeah this. It was for me personally. I come here each and every day and buddy. I'm looking at your come each and every day because the folks it's like Samatrikon you guys in this this this movement more than just entertainment we all family and this is why Mike Conley jumped aboard this thing sin Jane embrace this show one hundred percent right. He's also a former charitable memory. Now you walk US actually going to be a chat room that a hard you better live through shaw. That's all I'M GONNA make my own chabrol liberty crown but whole week then you have Roy's medication to you. I'll give you some weird. News are really quickly this story that came mm-hmm across on. I believe the Neta showed it to me. A man from Millville New Jersey Okay grossed out. This is a black person a black man he is accused of scamming two million dollars from women by wooing them with words of love online blackmail. This is a black man but I mean these these these women women have ruled US vote on a two thousand accounts absolutely so tell me to go out of that money to continuances a New Jersey man accused of using stolen identities to pose as a united Sta- but women have to be careful because this is the second story that I've read where they've they've Said said they were on a military personnel 'cause they act like they're they're overseas and they can't get certain stuff so you need to send the money which is dumb Tom. They have it if they really needed and they're getting paid he poses the United States military personnel and he he said his name his name is Robyn or Ruben star Pong. He's charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud Sandra January two thousand six city. It's not his fault. It's for you. Guys are thirsty. Pillow women are so thirsty for the motivation of the pain is singer that there will come out of pocket and why is that they don't even know five thousand dollars continual thirsty for people ready to send fifteen thirteen hundred dollars on nobody nothing since January I am in boxing run into a young man overseas that need five hundred picky take the million dollars since January of two thousand sixteen thirty five year old Sarpong Hong for Melville last name is my daddy black guys Sarpong Sarpong Pong where you're from. What does it look like Corny hold on? I saw a picture in a minute but you never never gave him in a few dollars. No you never gave me shit yeah. Well there. You go in a relationship we give and take you know I don't alone. Check to somebody. Please exactly Ranger Cindy. Have you cut a check. Yeah okay there. You go ice ED planning you know but I didn't send money to somebody. I didn't know online I never did that. I don't know jail so you in jail. Yes so what he was doing a sorry God bless him. I'm I'm sorry why don't because somebody all women need that you need that to happen to. You know to keep everything in perspective actor to Dope Anyway. He's he's accused by next sure he's accused of telling them he needed the money to ship gold bars to the United States yeah but really kept it for himself and Co conspirators in Ghana so stop so I gotta say to a woman that I need to go Bossou United States right continuing they allegedly set up dating profiles on various dating websites using fictitious or stolen identities and posing as United States military personnel who was working the thing with her and yeah yeah he likes the catfish after virtual love blossoms Sarpong and the others virtual love that was different type of I love Harry Techs have you communicated text message with a lover. Cj and when you send in the hearts in pitches pitches that a different kind of love face to face with your yeah exactly it's different. I feel like you get more. Have you ever been in virtual virtual virtual in conversation in the virtual love text messages none of that continue. I've been I think and that speak but you know what it was more so like when chat rooms where like really big like you know Kinda like an early nineties two thousand eight and all that illness and messenger but not so much anymore because like the dating sites are I just I personally don't like it but a lot of people are still on Davis is but I hate the like emailing back and forth and waiting for a response I can't do that. Although the stories varied most often the Sarpong advocates spiritus claimed to be military personnel the conspirators told many any victims that their money would be returned once the gold bars were received the US federal law enforcement agents have identified more than thirty women with a total loss amount out exceeding two point one million yeah he posted photographs of southbound social media posing with large amounts of cash high end cars and expensive jewelry. The white women have that we don't know who the victims were but I mean this is happened. ZYPPAH Z. Now arrested this it again you get in greedy this him. That's what he did. He got he got the cash. Absolutely absolutely he's thirty. I as I've got that side bomb the money I mean. Hopefully you know without money. He invested he should have the status gives us. A nice. Little lawyer really got nothing you shit about the guy with the Amazon returning tag that he did you much. Stop at a million and then push. You'd have been good but he got greedy. I mean you're Ripe Avenue. I mean I they always say people who are sending money online. I mean you do it. There's I mean you never know who's going to misappropriate the funds. I see this guy. This guy happens. Man is incredible two million dollars and now one time that he pulled out they took my mother Peterson's but he has had a lot of talk time. Though you gotTa talk sees me over a long time the noises you gotta probably it set at home and just on your job too many awesome yeah I feel about I feel bad for the victims now now now now thinking about it. It's not cool but you know what they're hopefully they learned and they won't do it again. How can they don't have people talk about watching the game washer scans how you get out there? I don't understand why you said like I said in the beginning in his conversation which relates now you live eighth them multiple holidays by yourself. So you want a guy like that though social media you're ex-boyfriends or your ex husbands whatever unlimited best like with the new chip we have new void to fill the here come on of our best best ball bars. How does that even computing your mind? He's military. He needs gold by Joma to send him money to get like sows weird that is weird right. No you gotta go bar. They will fracture some K boom boom boom halio business and they're gonNA get todd ones and so in Barbie go another year without any given awesome when they make toy along sugar book Sri. Wasn't this out the wrong awesome awesome rusted duty meantime meantime because on here next people who know me know how to reach me right Mike Mike and the other day I'm sick no yes thank you. You took a red background. It even more right well. You you like a penis that you get scammed by awesome. This is the second I didn't see the other homeboy. He had a nice lump sum. He was from Jersey to Jersey from Jersey. I think the men from his skin the woman at the house or some shopping in a law like fifty thousand listen to keep an eye on these guys men in the women in New Jersey especially in Newark area are out of their minds are crazy and we experienced that firsthand when I was out there big data at Scifo Hyphen seen ran into was from Newark was complete the call or the stay the hell away from me because in New Jersey Jerry Lee they didn't stop over there at night out of online she said see what about your perfectly saying. That's one sitting here. Ah Behind you don't go from north ahead. What around to pick the call nine? John would show state yeah own the other night. I'm like well. How can I oh L. got? Let me let me get my phone in. Thank you much out This is Barbie today. Bob You love the game. WE WE WANNA. Take your goals. You WanNa bag. It's too bad to they won't eat good today. He's going to eat today tomorrow any Sunni you gotta watch it you. Hey take because have you back awesome Sir aw Kah Women Sean the whole big family yeah yeah I got million jobs people around here shit rule. It's pressure pressure. Take I had moved my seat guy like this. They know you eh together guys. I had to move seats and we must stab. There was a we're going to they get into this. Go still here forty the blast then we finished with sports. This is what we slash Radio Cologne. I WANNA take out gone. Every virus records show the water uh this will be on the we're Wednesday. We have an incredible show right now this in a moment of silence in the Federal Building Right now we're doing. What am I going to silence federal building now? I'm not get a chance. It's the mark and Samantha. What does she machine bag? I got my game game. Sam Got Nice head. We're and is back. I think I would say cheese his point two days Yohe Ashby guys. I love guys we're going to sell. Let's let's get this one. This is now CBS back in one chatroom Kasteler here. 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Remember you know talk about nine eleven right when that happened APODACA on blood vessels Louis Pop God's on Y'all Y'all C. Flex on shore flex for short so much in the angels get the anger ah good so listen. We're back at that that was assist visual for folks that list. They don't know so we are back. We're glad that you guys are here. I just wanted to say something real quick before we get into the last of five of I wanna apologize to everyone. We still want to delay with Youtube. I promise in the next couple of weeks that youtube will be up and running where you will have the option to listen to us on YouTube. I WANNA apologize. That's my four so I need to say that I'm working hard on that because we need to. We're GONNA take it to a whole `nother level team which we're calling from no no Queen Black Queen Diane Williams also I don't know if you noticed bobby one of our original listeners they will put this constant force but she's also a former champion and she's contributed so much to this show and I want to say a queen. Thank you talk about nine. Eleven story Sydney was in the second grade. Bobby was working at some psych ward in eastern willing around old guys that we briefly a queen. Everybody Squeeze Diane goes on your show some love Shell quainton up guys. Can you share your day from nine. Eleven two thousand one please pay I sitting at my back at work and federal government. The building is about five blocks away from the World Trade Center every impact from these airframes hitting the building literally lifted my feet and understand what's going on with must be provided with his office and his window was clear view down the block and you can see everything planning fairly and he says no very small voice I think an airplane if the world safer author and from that moment life as I knew for me but my hunger I hadn't yet tire in working in Harlem. The Walt Basis are adopted moved from Brooklyn our worker in Harlem and I call her. You know informed that would happen. She was a full bill mother mode accommodate day coming to get in access myth lady not knowing anything I will come and get you. Ah Hung up the phone. He's looking into the over the kid I call her right back. Calm down and all I'm coming to all of I'll be right there. Grab my blogging slap in front of mind and we will happen the number four train going into. I had one hundred twenty fifth street. She had four horseback St Louis Missouri. We drove up the whole train ride. Nobody contact with anybody because nobody on that change and Newburgh just happened one. Was I got off the train. They were golden gate behind me that train anywhere the climate mother had already fell but I was in denial. 'cause that's rough. They're fake news New People Hawaiian. I left after everything's fine with Brooklyn Manhattan and home for our before we get on the train to go back home and good because I want to walk home or whatever the case may be. I'm down on the train home. I got home and got AH decorated enough nerve easiest grains and then golden for Oregon and that was the only I love. I let him up at thank. You see how things could have gone left and a lot of other people domino six degrees takes chaminade boy shit in detail. My Building Diane used to work working. My son lives in today. This little Diane actually lived together. The right message at automatically parkway building with Diane used to work. She's actually right it. Is Luli like right across the street. From the World Trade Center like you can go to lunch down at the World Trade Center right right. I am on my correct when failing as shock ranch and I felt the same way about it. That's why I Shan't really lights and like my condolences to everyone knows that passed away but I'm GonNa tell you right now. Bobby Cool Diane Energy can attest to this if that would have happened at lunch time it would have been way whereas I know what to say. This horrible horrible would happen right those lunch time. It might have been ten thousand people to die because it's so active in that area at that time of the day right right absolutely apropos ones pan walked down for free sentas Allen it comes out. Oh yeah people equally unlikely Diane's absolutely uh-huh actually right. That's what seven when we were when we left the World Trade Center moved them knocking by Johnston. We always cry because the downtown that whole area like Diane said there's lunch you only three dollars or two hundred fifty island one bank everything right there. Only the only problem was it's too expensive area Hopper Diane. Thank you want everybody because Diane was goblins right Naiad so look. This is what we do we're going to do. We're all in there she was. I didn't see her Diana music. She's in here Diane Diane Hall. I said Diane Diane the ball. Let's be calling. I know you've got a non eleven story. Chick Lewis said he made a call and we'll call in trivia tricky. Call Komo checking out story. I know I know the ball. Let's see has a story Vanilla George Henry Story Stories when you call them my phone they also believe five Akilah also believe hey Kabuki again we can. Oh you know this whole whom this is well Barbie comb also another former Cheltenham tricky out there get money in weight and if you don't know we call them twenty dollars tricky ours we did a story about the lotto are- millions and millions of dollars in my mind was somewhere else. Ricki said that you would go well. Let me call you right back the way he said tricky donate to the Community Cassini announced. We're GONNA get tricky said he was going to grow a concert aw to give back chores. It's one dollars one along came from longer tinker the crane king noise in the background again aw back out here Hamas don't the nine eleven story. I like congressional record. Reminding was feeding retrieving you get who actually GonNa Scream and hearing we've collection the charts robbing people hostage situation talking on the military is on how we were after nine eleven lower down thirty today's but afterwards we got John All law culture the ashes Guca point. We had a test I stay here eight eight and a half months church. Remain you recovery anything. The point is not great guy. I think he got an earplug on this. Something you doing drinking something. You're doing okay great and Taylor I suffer from the upper respiratory infection developing cultural graven in this Mont.. We experience something that no one would never think that we would have experienced in New York that Diane correct about the numbers going up by ten thousand by lunch time but the only thing I want to correct on that is Clinton would have struck ten minutes later. That's what would have been at and the reason why we came up with that number of people were still on their way to at work when clinch struck by the time the second clench truck you can almost double your number. Were you may be working almost fifteen thousand twenty thousand because everybody would have been at work then so. We're lucky lucky that it didn't happen that time. I mean you're still a hurdle in two thousand Tayo but have grown to eighteen years. We're still thinking about certain things and when you still got people that Walker Street treat each other like crap. We need to worry about one of your heart so far and thanks together and getting right but that's the only thing that counts right now on the listen. God bless split grieving. We're responsible. Audra contract. You tricky is a true hero and we talked about this last over shares but but in historic just now barred Cologne he shared that he stayed there for mice. I've Fin- taxing ear pain. I want to be tricky. I'm coming out there next week also right now. We're GONNA have a good time to meet the famous on channel twenty dollars come. You don't come out with twenty nine. The new Sean Connery pill collecting. Do Thank you tirol man. Thank you tricky so again. You know we just want you know we just want to you. Know let bullshit you know on this this day as we pay tribute to nine eleven you know what I'm saying so that's that's what we're doing and and I just WANNA share with some of my veteran listeners that old enough to share a story unlike yourself and see everybody clapped up real hollow everybody on the elite of the elite of calling yes the elite of the elite. Hey Ram from the week. You know I wanNA know well. Can You please share your nine eleven story Sir at the time I I'm working on. I would have seen look at the medicine our our it was a half sure I mean worst crow and Archana knows allows she was going on. I'm like I'm fucking strong leery. I I I R- meeting. I don't know what it was like wasn't an accident but I called my father. I'm trying to calm the phone lines. Were like mansions man. You talk about family self-serving. I wonder what it is right now. I'm John The call my talks because I don't know owner owner. He's got. I don't know if he if he's down like if you if you own a weddings wait I'm going crazy acute gong to call if you were my father like us to one a lot of one point when we were you know the police scanner Oh and switch up and Notre Dame's all and the Times they were so you know if he was going the day shift if he was overnight twelve. You know I it just it was upload like wait. I got a raise my fault and I'm contract with them and I can. He any like you have on the father's. He's the he's the actual long so that of course military Tehran you know processed jumps right in the play also being an why team you know he in writing from runs too so he traveled a highly contact with him he he likes Sean. I'm good I'm on highway. Almost way to the city. We all got called. The travis solid like okay could apply even to this day like I think by the time he got his preaching like coming from the first plane hit the Tommy got your precinct and and their familia downtown and he works and and it was crazy because all my all my school work down Chow my my elementary school were on on action between Christopher will so like I you know the World Trade Center always in like any any time I came out of school you always he's almost like Chelsea and and and and watch village so you could look at this on the Layton Avenue to the World Trade Center but dining but then fresh full lert. I ended up working when I was in construction. I ended ended up working on the World Trade Center on their new on the new one rattled the World Trade Center. There's four basement and it goes goes forth forth there right when sometimes and I will be working on their fourth patient on that for small on the Dow yeah I would be down and sometimes you can feel that an feeling oh like energy all people that passed it was and I won't those like believing goes no stuff like that was every talk how worked every like it would freak me out. I wouldn't really on like working to help me feel like you feeling you know the end you know and I mean I'm sure throughout the people they didn't find some of the guys I worked for four on the World Trade Center that would you know helping out parties and stuff like that so some of those guys they still tale with respiratory. Stuff father goes every every year. He has to go check father. Check so definitely I moved back by just totally you got family. I am in and you know they were hiding parliament. They would it would watching stuff like that happen. Glam look manages you I if it touches coast awesome. You're one of the same way as if you're there because you're young miss would've feeling to have when you know that it is a tragedy happened and you know you can't get in touch with a lover I could hear it in your voice relle how concerned and how were you was does focus on your father in that situation. No no question about it every member rail when all that happened nine eleven which is really sad like the next day remember like the two or three days after people started putting posters of their loved ones sold like that was crazy that was breaking well. Hang around. Thanks for sharing sharing your story with us so one more and then we'll take a break wabe and then we're going to love. We'll get into the Barbie the blast so we just WANNA show we just want to show some some it up Veneta car back to call back because I'm getting strange range like I feel like it's a debt collector like I'll call the debt collector. They called meet. My what way do I think moving do let's. Let's take a quick break this. Let's take one quick break which which which you're not you're not eleven stories well. Thanks for for streaky demand. Thank you so much. I am Stanley appreciate it. Just want you guys to just you know on this day. You know we want to pay tribute to to our the nine eleven victims so great wanted to blast you guys coming to sued the gala this week have your alcs oh now one call yeah good morning show. Cj montcalm which name Thankful Shine Leslie. Hey guys Sean. I don't have any hold on a second. Hold on hold on a second yeah same fortunate for me. I was not directly but anyone that lived anywhere in the the city. You know like we were there because like I'm listening to Diane talking about how she broke out my cousin did and she worked in in the second building and she listened to them. Tell Oh everything was all right. They felt I mean she worked in the Marriott. In the second building the world trade built the shock stay here and it wasn't until like three o'clock. We'll looking for sheet this. They had to walk walk up to Harlem. I mean every time I think of it. Anybody's ever been world trade like I worked in near one week of the younger and girl seventy ninth floor and the building shook like you salted Suazo imagine being met Cam Bilton and it's like they're like get out cause me. Damn you already know mad crazy yeah. I did a guy an athlete 'cause I used to work for like one of the tend to offer the needs to have bomb threats every down sixteen by being on seventy nine four. I'll play that that I go out for everybody because I mean I lost and I mean thank God my you know. My has a that's okay. She got but other big I'll say to you. Is Anything happening right now. I pray that nothing ever happened to Kit Kit as get out run. I'm serious like you say I am. I'm glad that you out but I was stuck downtown. They've I make them stand a street from the built in for you know what a great point pumped the board because like I should lay diane a when that happened I got out of town. I left. I got van. I wouldn't know about thanking thank God people died because they stay within the building his own. You run right. I'm I know they tell people that iago understand. It's like we used to get bombed over time needs to tell it oh spot to go and stand. It looks like about because like I had a block away. I simply like Oh hell no the first thing I was calm tactic of 'cause they work tonight They give you these drills and they tell you to do that. No get out I mean I prayed nothing like that ever ever happen again. I can't believe that option the television thank God me. Emma comes a newlywed be this I love to learn knocking everybody is that too. Is that two point. Oh this is you so everything makes you feel better with. She blessed them this uh-huh Okay Veneta tabin everyone good morning and look at this look at this look at this. Everything makes you feel you know every week. Sol's everything all the time God all of listened Veneta Looking right more food here. Can You please share your story and Eh Yeah. I just wanted to say real quick on on that day. I was actually woke in midtown. I was on forty four th street I on working in the music industry. I was actually doing royalty accounting so we would pay buzek publishers and stuff like that and I remember people were still coming into work and they come in crying saying that he was playing you know sticking out of the building and we were looking at them like crazy and at the time honestly it was a helicopter because if you guys remember about five years prior the Yankee pitcher had died in a plane crash because his helicopter hit pain in midtown reliable so if I thought maybe it was just another helicopter copter had hit you know the world trade or something like like that so as coming in of course you know my agency gathered at all together and we started doing evacuation plan and honestly when we decided to leave and of course the phone lines went down so he could even reach you know people at the time and when you walk outside it was literally like Armageddon Eddine because by that time trains has stopped running the buses that you could catch we'll pack detail like people was shoved in every space possible astle so we literally had to walk about three and a half hours or the way up by the bridge and it was like one hundred twenty when he's sweet and then they had like a shuttle buses waiting to actually get over into the Bronx. You know my brother he went to high school down the block op from the World Trade Center. He went to the High School of Leadership and Public Service and when he actually came up a train station the planes were already sticking out of the building so they the evacuation all of these young teenagers they have to take them out to Staten Island. You know so we didn't even know where he was until the next morning and so my mother was in a panic you know and it was just it was a very scary time. I think especially for anyone in New York City because we had a lot of a bomb threats if you remember the days after so back again to later because we couldn't use the train stations because they kept having these different songs and stuff so for the week it was just you know Maine New York City very wise. Imagine hello this. The usage is working in. I was working on forty fourth street sober agency. Yes I was like in midtown right so again. This is another story that would musician and loved ones in terrify filling that you know when you have a incident like like this. You'll know where your loved ones are so thanks for sharing with this wonderful folks story before we leave and some like like I accent. Bobby was young young girls back. Then you still young city was too I thus we gotta go. Thanks thank you Banana Sean Harvey Morning Show city up bobby bobby and the the love and going from my story a nine on eleven. Please take the break up day man on that day. I was actually on ninety sixth street on the website I on my way to hide ninety seven which is only a few blocks away from the memorial twelve trade center. I'll tell them up eighty two story and the crazy the thing was that I was listening to one of my nicknames and then the skiing you know when you think cop cars flashing behind everybody really will to the right. I I am on the west side bucket but I would wasn't packed. I moved to the right everybody will today and I can't by. I had anywhere from thirty to fifty cop cars speeding down bypass everybody and that made me turn off the mix tape. Turn on the radio turned off by ninety seven and I heard anti Martinez strikes misperceived Wendy Williams. Everybody was on the JOE everybody on Atlanta clock talk in the morning and we think we attack every we're at war. We think we attack. You're one of about one of the World Trade Center all fire I hit nobody knew exactly what happened yet but as I was approaching seventy ninth street there's a spot there with a copyright on little not anymore. They took it on out on the middle so the cockatiel either side the catch anybody jock say you know what upon here in Madison obviously. I'm not GonNa have at the moment top of you've been in the middle of the highway and I shot back up as I'm shooting backup. I'm a coach of a hundred twenty fifth street. The plane I saw the second plane flew rival but it had to be no more than ten two thousand feet in the air because I mean I can. I can almost read the letters on claiming the most the British foam that I had ever seen and when I got back to the prompt I heard that a hidden second tower and I saw it upon my mom was scared. Crying butchery was really should man and just have to think that if I were to left miles per hour I'm GonNa just a few blocks Abbas shits strange a heartbreaker would we'll. Hey Mike thanks for sharing your story. You know we pay a patient you to the nine eleven. Don't watch if you can't. If you don't want a Oh my deathrow I love your show. Avenue shot the Barbie shunning and all the of the day everybody who says forcement gymnasts anybody that's it should come on my the show. Hey sorry sorry house. WHO's this WHO's this who's this who's this intriguing show on in I'm home and for those who know the only live in the lower east side but being faces or what used to face the twin towers right by the Williamsburg Licorice so I had a clear shot right so I was looking for work I was living in Harlem? I come down to my mother's house and where I used to live in like I said East side and and I'm there and I'm putting on clothes because I'm supposed to go to Merrill Lynch now for those who know how the conflicts like Sean was explaining earlier like an underground city so if you take the corridor that goes over the west side highway also the winter garden and there you have Fedex and you have a bunch of other companies that are there to Japan is across the street and very populated area so no. I'm sitting there. I'm getting ready to you know go down to Maryland. I'm putting mouse in work clothes and I see smoke okay and I'm going. I thought one of the buildings want fire in the projects because I was like that's a lot of slow and and I'm looking at when I look out the window I see the World Trade Center is smoking and I'm like what's going on so when I turn on the TV channel seven good morning America you see it and I'm looking at the building now right and the second go into the building from my vantage point you could in between the buildings who are so so the plane came in from corner like different angles in the first place because it came from Boston. What have you and I'm looking at this going? Join my God now at that time fiancee or down the blocks from the World Race Center and when I found her an hour later she was covered in dust and I freaked out and just burst into tears because she's got caught in that cloud when the building collapsed and I see right and to see Dad half-hour data our not knowing where she was at and knowing that she worked at she orthopedics which which is went down the block of Williams Street and because then we're America medical office they went on alert yellow. which is the highest alert burke? Anybody knows the hospitals can do your downtown hospitals right down. The block from her office was the fire department like he was saying Sean for the guy that used to I used to those guys and all the time when I used to pick her up and they lost people private that I actually like hugh ways to an extra and in the movie site the next day and I'm going to wrap this up. We had humphries in our projects what these were sheen guns on top and they have troops now when you came on house in St Anything Below Fourteenth Street if you wanted to come in and you had to have pitcher in kid you'll do to get picked up less than right and it wasn't that it wanted in jail they were doing that. You know what we was on that kind of alerts raisman. It was scary because I'm used to seeing ratchets guns the street. I'm used to seeing bodies up on an offer best city but when you see a military ground pixel hunting look different animal I have family members in military. My niece was in the airforce like just sergeant before was saying she made a lot of move to the army because she wanted to give them a physical and you're right. A lot of people joined up. I tried to join up during Desert Storm DOC DOC. Let's everyone who's going to win today. Awesome real next man I think because also you've got to make us laugh off. You also give us a chance to express ourselves and give us a chance to just be hurt so I appreciate Sean. I thank you for that appreciate Robin. Will I think he's calling in this love. Antelope has go past the beautiful Anna a blue before we leave the blast tomorrow. That's taught me ultimate ears boom three a once. I see nine eleven experienced in 'cause we should you have a story at at this chick shut up share your story on the speaker of the boom three today show power Orange County jail and charged for your next report and alcohol in the mid one she briefly on all of your experiences might experience was I had found out I had gotten pregnant with my third child and when I went I it was supposed to work in that building and I always bring everything else Pranzi got should I do this because I was ready to pay for my daughter that she was about two years old and then I was pregnant with my second one from second daughter and it's hard because I had said no to that job and when it has said no to exert felt felt like you know not to do it you shouldn't do everything life for money was getting old. Are you sure guy but he knows he knows more. I mean who would imagine that would happen when I when I hit I just I couldn't. I hope I still have that anywhere like all. Thank you Jesus. I'm alive because I was I was home homes googlers placing bronx seven and it was just everyone was running in the street at the time and I was wondering what was going on when it happened and that's when I I turn on TV and on TV and then I looked outside went to the roof because we were feeling payback coming all over and we're like check my God. It was an an unreal thing because it brought me to another level that you know always bring the God right. I hear you tell my kids about that story every time guided with nine eleven you just because it hurts a lot in you know I'd rather just leave David you know but when I saw with my land this morning it's home my daughter reminded her about the story always bring things to God even though it could be the best in the world. You'd think it would have been great money. Kids were had the babysitter announced. There's daycare with downstairs was just perfect. He had that show you. We can't take every opportunity. That's given to us time. 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