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The Making of Champions Presented by Joe Louis Bourbon and The MAC Boxing Series on the CBS Sports Network

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The Making of Champions Presented by Joe Louis Bourbon and The MAC Boxing Series on the CBS Sports Network

"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT. visit www dot podcast, introit dot com before information. This is the making of the champ making of a champion, your guest today, Mr E. J., Matthews with our hosts, this Tanya Coal and Mr. Mr PD Peter guede flake. Folks take it away. Thank you. Thanks thanks for having me again. We're happy. To. Stop Show. We're still learning. So you're Black Sea Mississippi them. In Mississippi we have our way in coming in tomorrow than the big day of the debut of Mac Series USA on. CBS sports live on Saturday. While it's pretty fantastic. You haven't met Tanya all. I have. Lovely lovely host! Miss Mosquitoes the pledge me to as well. Tanya comes to us out of Atlanta. And so we're anxious to. Join with each other in find our way. Stories in boxing and we're looking to mark Hugh Shaq Johnson joining us on today's podcast. How did you mark I get involved with? Well. My? My host of the Max's name is Ronny Dunkin. On CBS sports caster. Me and had been canceled Twenty twenty five years maybe longer than that. Back to my time hearns days. He used to live in Phoenix Arizona. We've to train net will. For the haggle fight, we put a Leonard by. We trained in Arizona several times, and he was the sports caster on CBS in Arizona. In Two? Very different, so he called me and said man what about too short Johnson. Being a color analyst on Mac series, is I he's a lot of. With Freddie PA- chuckle on sport on CBS. As well as on showtime. He's I think you'd be a good fit next to me on. Though, so we met in. It birth like I love to join the team so happen when we first met in I would, he went into the hall of fame. You got elected into the hall of fame at the same time. Thomas hearns it so at one time time time was. was considered one of the best fighters in the world, but he would never powerful Powell. Considered the best in the world and mark to sharp. At one time was considered powerful palm. Number two in the world next employment. On it was a self for on top of. Great. He actually started as a golden loves it nineteen eighty eight champion, golden love spider out of watching these same correct. You doing your homework. Yeah I hope he gets a chance to join us. That say he's traveled today here to Biloxi from the. But then he had a fighter. Go Look at an at a gym, so he went there, so I thought again. I told Peter. Told Michael's I thought it was o'clock here, and that full gloves I thought I had another hour tracking down. While, there's so much going on in in the world boxing in Marcus. Of really interesting things and I really hope that he joins us one of the things that. I'm really interested in hearing about his work on trying to find pinching plans of some sort of organization, so that retired boxers. Have a way away to benefit on in their retirement with swayed. We we we've talked about that on. And bigger the live entertainment actually come up with. Their own. Pension plan like for the fight. On the MAC, series. We have a MAC series championship title belt. This being created right now. So instead of a fighter pants sanctioning bees. So win. Our title would have to do with other sanctioning bodies. They have pay to win that bill and then apple pay to keep it everytime. They fight, but at belt. They have to pay a percentage of their purse. To that sanctioning body. That's how it works. So what big eleven attainment will we came up with what I own title? is going to be a bigger live entertainment Max, series championship belt. Is going to have Thomas hearns one side. Retired hit which happened Michael. Moore on the other side with the bigger than life. Maqsoud local in the middle. And when they win that title, instead of them pain us to carry title. We're going to that sanction feed. We're GONNA. Put that in an insurance policy. That will go toward doubtfire. Almost sounds kind of like a 401k. You put some money in. Match so. This someone match the funds that they put in there. Will we have? We haven't went down for you, so you can find my. Master's five investor though you know because I, I contribute the Max I can get the Max out of it, so it will be exciting for you ought high a donor or a series of donors that can help you match. Let's funds that they put in. A little slow right now, but I thought it's only on is only on paper on an idea right now. There's a hopefully we can bring into wishing with working on all of the. INS and out new dues. Don't me being promoter. A belt may be accomplished vendors. We wear, so we're looking into it lawyers. That it's doing agile, so we finished with that. So so. Those reading some marks comments about the health of fighters and The say out recently about some of the. Some of the tragedies that have occurred in the rain. and. He's fallen for. He's calling real for one national organization. I kinda curious because we get, you'll get into the froze and the amateurs quite a bit one of the things that we hear from guys on the amateur side is I'll ends in a row? Sometimes the Guy Sucking too much weight putting themselves at risk. He gets a lower weight class. And I'm wondering what your thoughts are. What really A to. That's really a final question. but my opinion. Is Different than the things that they went through as him is him being fighter, all of his life question really for him, but my opinion about that this. I believe that we should go back to same day way. Because fighters, they suck yourself down and they they weigh in make away. Weighing on Friday. Under thirty pounds. Next Day they want fifty say the other kid of the night three hundred and thirty founder on. Is You know he's too big for the guy. So I'd like to see I like the feels the same day way. Tommy hearns in. Sugar Ray Leonard. Those Martin handle fought. They've had the way in that morning. So they didn't have time to really do anything to hydrate that much of that night because if we will tommy spot Marvin hats. If Wade in the day before I not Marvin Hagler out a different story in those be wrong. Tommy was so high dehydrated we. The night before the fight. We were in. The Steam Room Losing what? Happened Twenty five years ago I can tell it. He's losing weight trying to lose weight trying to lose lose weight. That next one that he didn't eating day after noon eating things. Morning. Spitting so it makes the way. And he didn't have enough time to really hype. Break that much, so he was to hydrate. His legs would like Robert on. We walk in the ring. If you ever get a chance to go back to watch that fight, those a guy massaging his legs. In the corner before the fight star. What is the NOGO rubbing on fighter? Before he bought fight. But his legs sole tired from exhaustion and no water. So. It was it was A. it was amazing that he did what he did in those around. But if he'd been able to weigh in the day before by these guys today. And hydrate backed up. And that's in that safe for two of the fighters right because. There's a lot of feeling that maybe dehydration in the in the head is what really needs to a really? Well, I don't know, but they don't really have it because they weigh in the day before. Then also. Weigh in. They wait and the day before so God can hydrate. A whole twenty four of almost thirty hours. than. He would really too big in on, so that should be out. Lol, that a guy does win. You know fifty one hundred one fifty is at one thirty. You know that that should be outlawed. makes no sense if you. Yeah. That would be a big. They fired double. Should be trying to find a lump third. Twenty pounds. How much time does it take for them to lose that much weight? Train but ten weeks. Hey so he's walking around eight hundred fifty I. mean it's easy to get down to a hundred thirty pounds. And, but you know to stay there in you know for the race nothing time, and then like I said the next day. In only they way in eleven. Tomorrow Love. Kindle right from there. Seem Golden Valley Water TV. Or gatorade or something did he goes from directly from net eat? He's lunch. Then he's going to have dinner. Then he's going to have three meals the next day. Have Breakfast, lunch and dinner. Before it wanted to ring by that time. Is. Cheating hydrated backed up over twenty five. Could you not asking purely for selfish reasons? This. Woman Yeah yes. It's not it's not art. It really is really not. Motivated to do it. It's not hard to. Say Good flow away from my way. Well let me know. Ma Ma father say your biscuit away. It, if you if you try lose, weight is easy to make people. People don't want to even myself I. Mean I train like crazy? Stay in shape I mean I had a I had. A have six. Pack me now. You couldn't see it. You know what I mean. You know, but. I don't care I'm not I'm not. Interested in gym, So. Have you know I. Eat anything. So it if you feel like he wanted doing. Really did. Gotcha. So tell us about your fight this weekend. I'm finally we got to get this. That's that's why. We meet up about what what? Citing news but I have with a partner shoot with Joe. Louis, grant. You know let. So. Let me explain what we have tomorrow. We have the way in. We have six exciting on the car. Two title fights. Tomorrow will make world champion for both title of vacant, so somebody's GonNa win a title tomorrow ones the WB L. in the cruiserweight and the other one WBZ's excited and trying to involve. They wanted they really want. This fight so WPA is has the middleweight fight so the WPA championship middleweight card. And the WB L. is on the way, but we're making to champion. Both of these guys off by the have an opportunity to win two titles. So we're very excited about that. CBS is very excited about that Becau. CVS first time having a fight in almost. Five years. The CBS at Mike so they're coming back. Would World Championship box? So everything else has been social distancing would come back off of the pandemic, so we're going to be the first real live event. have an audit. The places. Third of what could be eleven thousand seat place, but we only gonNA have. A thousand people, maybe because of every other role front and back Nope, by six rolls that left and right. If you buy a table, you can only sit at the table. You have low each person to sit in with you. Bought Whole Table We made sure that the social distance thing is in place. Every person that comes in will get a wristband. Says tested. They'll be tested at the door and they. Don't have the wristband they won't get in. Said you'RE GONNA test. Every person comes through the door because willing. How about? Louis Eleven thousand seats. While one, a big, a big tapped. It is what is important that we do it. Because all of the fighters all referee law? The judge everybody had to have a parameter. Two Times a week. Until then, so we're making sure that whatever else somebody else doing I'll protocol is our protocol. We're looking forward to making sure that people know that we went through the right steps to keep the people in the building the fighters themselves referees. Judges Save. This important. So while the retraining having you. In often they test. They will test the twice a week. For six weeks. You moved. This fight from Las Vegas to Mississippi in. In our. Little bit about about what that felt like an evaluation. What happened the minute alike often, said holy cow I can't do it in Vegas. Will what happened was that the real is not going to open back up at all. They looks like it's lumpy. Come the site of the new MLB las. Vegas, getting a Major League Baseball, T. Think. They're gonNA put it on. The site of whether real is so. What we thought we will be able to do the in the fight dog inside real. Does. Win Away I mean it just went away? So at that point. There was no need. For me to do it in they. Because never, did you get that? To switch it. Twenty four hours. Oh Wow. I was able to pick up the phone. I have a license here in Mississippi. Follows able to pick up the phone. Call John. WHO's the head of the commission and say Hey, man? I got a situation. I need to move. Two hundred people. From, Las Vegas. To Mississippi. Where there should I do? Taksin should I do the blocks. It what you can't do it in Jackson. The because I. have fight on there. Is a beloved I don't have a fight on their level though. If you want I. Let you go in to Biloxi. He said. Where are you going to put it? I? Don't know I. Need a building. He said you know I just got the phone. With. Mark over at the Coliseum he said, take this number. Give them a call telling you spoke to me. I Call Mar Today I. Just talked to John said to call you, he said well. I can't give you a building, so you have a date, so you gotTa. Tell John the send me an email that you have a day. I said well John I. WanNa give me a date without a building. I say so. You guys need to talk and you both say he needed to say yes, and then call me back. To last week. Table spoke and we were able to work it out. It was it was I mean you should have seen the stress and the and the ingenuity that went into it. A friend of mine was sitting there and. He's Manami maybe forty years. Him, to see. What I did at that moment, he like look I need to be in I got two and a half million dollars. I'd give you every year the next five years I didn't pay. I'll let Nah when I came to you five years ago. You went. Interest. Is I never was interesting, so I wasn't interested? I saw it in action. Right then right then right then right now. and. He also be two and a half million dollars. A year. Twenty now. Saying you're well-connected, because if that were me making that call. Would not have anything happening on Saturday. Will. Don't know about connections because I had. I never done anything here, but I had a lice. Because Tommy Hers, I said it's my best friend. And Tommy's people think from Detroit, but he's from. The, mint? He's a rhythmic lament and sister live in Mississippi. And! She has the dollar here. She called me like Yo you need. Fifty if you don't never use. On the okay so. I have to say that. Yeah, maybe I am kind of negative Sarah earns. Don't tell me to get that vitalising. This would be happening right now. Preparation meets opportunity, so you got senator dozen roses now. Quick your show great with. Gypsy here tomorrow, so. I may shop was on a rule. ANTASTIC! Thanks, guys. We're GONNA. Get right back to all your questions and Mr Matthews, but hey, it begins now the making of champions, amateur and pro boxers. Together. We will discover what makes a champion. The Making of champions is presented by the Joe Louis still in company in honor and recognition of the legacy of Joe Louis the longest reigning world heavyweight champion in America's first African American national hero, a legacy that grows stronger by the day as new generations of champions learn, and become inspired by his accomplishments, his ability to rise up against great challenges, dedication, family, community, and giving back watch, listen, follow or engage with us for new episodes exploring boxing through the eyes of those who whose lives have been improved and serve. Or Sunday strive to serve as good citizens and community leaders. GUYS ARE GONNA. Throw it back at you. Back to US got it. So tell us a little bit about your fighters. Is Elsewhere there from. Them really interested in hearing of your connections to the kids in Africa. Who are fighting? You know since I. We got involved with you. I've been getting a lot of facebook requests. Violence places like Nigeria. What's? Their in house that has. Every day since I was on the Babushka. Everyday. I'm getting a message from somebody. Y'All so you got me on. The car can fight on. Just had a baby yesterday Every every day since the guy who's been hit me up, I'm training I'm training. Babies born I'll be ready. I can't fight this fight, but August. I'm on the show. I said it's OK chill. Be You the baby by so and so yesterday? It was a good thing. He added child yesterday. He's fought from me before. and. He's from South Africa from. d'oeuvres is Durban. South Africa now living in Germany. So is baby was born in Germany? So, he saw his child have dual citizenship, but this is exciting as exciting. The Times I mean the Max is making ten. Mall over the country when they cited about having opportunity like I, said on your first pop cap, the other two mortars. The, other big three promote that all care about the guy that didn't make the Olympic team. They don't care about the guy who didn't have three hundred fifty average a fight. So they don't care about that guy, but the guy that can just fight. He's GonNa to win a title on the maximum. Fight Card. Think. You said you had four fighters. knows six fights. Okay! And this is a good car. You have western. You have western for the cruiserweight fighting County now, and it's going to be an exciting. CRUISERWEIGHT TITLE FIGHT And, so it's It's is GONNA be. It's GonNa. Be Interesting. Very very interesting, basically you tune in. Any. Exxon your on your party only. I'm totally dry promote. I don't have those getting again. Jock I wasn't talking about the skin in the game. I'm Kinda curious. The Avenue opinion on on who's WHO's bringing the best game. I do not. I, do not what I do. My management is something. What I struck him to do mine instructions to him. I. Don't want any fights this. Eighty twenty. I don't want a guy that is walking into the ring. He knows he's GonNa, win. I don't I. Don't want the so you have a guy who's twelve and to. Find the Guy Sixteen into. So, they got rid. They gotTA. Bring it. So. I have a fight that eleven one guys by eleven and Olga. So. You gotTA bring it, can't you? You don't know what's going to happen in that building. So. That's why we have what we call a swing. Case people get knocked out early. We got that guy that's. Got On television. You're going to bite on. The case they go down. I ramble win to shop. ONE IS I. Felt. I am in the first round and reminded me of what Joe Schmeling in first round in Yankee Stadium. But the night that he's told told his friend he was scared because he fathers won't killing. Almost right. Almost right. One. Who? Is that they've been training for about ten weeks now, pairing for this bow. Out. SAY THAT AGAIN Okay, yes, I'm and so outside of that. What is sort of the scope in terms of the level of training of the box sort of a whole, do you think has been training the longest? And who do you think it's been training for the shortest period of time? Dust, that's that's a hard question. That's that's a hard question. I I would know because most of them live in other everywhere live everywhere. Guys came in from Oklahoma guys in. Tucson. Adelphia Baltimore. Long Oakland Sacramento Vegas. So. I'm not dead. Blade everywhere! They know they know. From the time that I call, they law the trend in the same time, but when I call five. FIRST QUESTION I ask. Are you already trained? Can you get ready for? love, or do you need to wait August eight? Where are you? Know we've been training. We got another seven weeks than we could. We've been Jim what prior to this you imagine. The pandemic was really still there. So wasn't nobody's going anywhere. Everybody in the House nobody was train and nobody would want any. Has Some people that were still running. But far boxing trend. They weren't doing that. They were GONNA be conditioning themselves by running. So that's a that's a hard tail. That's hard. Tell because you got guys this dedicated. State on the role. Then, you got guys. Hey, run! You know. I knew fighter didn't run ever. And he was world champion I cancel it was. Never he never, he never ran. Ever was would he did? Was Do Cardio in the gym and weights. He will do what they call super sets. That will open your lungs up this well as running with the. And that's that's what he would. He would pick up A. Sin Role awaits and do ten to fifteen reps. And one set. With ten different ways. So. You're talking about. Over a couple of hundred In one set and he would do. He will do ten cents. So? I'll get that tire running though he was. Always. Say he was always in shape. Tough, swath, again not. The top the rain. On one hundred percent so but. I'M GONNA. Tell you the Joe Louis Brand and what they're doing with the. Kids and will we're trying to do with the pros I have to say something that you guys don't know once. We spoke about the gym last time. Fee that you went on that call. She saw it. We spoke about doing a string of Joe Louis Jim. I've been in the process of looking for him. I like to say that. I found a location for the first the flags to. Megan champion boxing. That's quite Nelson right that it is. I had to hold that to you know to the end. I'm anxious to learn more about that. I know that. That mark on today of said You hear more about his coaching. Kids those up on. TV Still. We'll reschedule. We will reschedule mark. We definitely want to get him on. You know he's got A. He's got a great story. You know he was a fantastic amateurism. Fantastic pro, you know. He spent his life I. Give Act Unity. In one hand more about all that. And so let him know we were. Missed him. One back on and. Will will work hard for them to get him back onto the next few weeks. For our. Jump off. The. It was good misquoting Nice to meet you pleasure meeting you as well and before you leave. Tell us again how we can watch. It is this weekend? Saturday night East Coast ten PM. Megan Chad on CBS sports network. Lie. Thank you thank you we'll look to. My Park. Thank you. Only, way. Merck too Short Sean Son. Youtube. To. Mark Johnson highlights. You'll be able to see mark too sharp Johnson highlights. Be Able to see those clips out there so fantastic. Thank you guys to throw it right back at Ya. Fantastic thanks so much for joining US tonight looking to doing this again next week when? We will have a Joe. Ex Junior from rapids Michigan member at the two thousand twenty US Olympic team. WHO's now member of us? Two Thousand Twenty want Olympic team means him as beautiful young Bride Zoe. Looking forward to it. They have a great week everybody. We'll look forward to seeing you next week. Thanks again on, thanks, guys, bye! Bye Now.

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Macklin & Logan talk Ammo Williams & best body punchers

Ringside Toe2Toe Boxing Podcast

00:00 sec | 6 months ago

Macklin & Logan talk Ammo Williams & best body punchers

"Welcome to the toaster Topa test. Let's go baby. Let's go hello and welcome to this week. Tradition of ringside tote a boxing. Podcast exclusives sports. I'm Andy Score. And we welcome a new member to the lockdown club today for to turn train out. Gary Logan Gary Great to hear from you make. We'll catch up you very shortly. A total was sticking to the lockdown. So we haven't been tested. I saw in As you were recording on a video conference website so it inserting all disclaimer out. Sound quality from sound Roy Bolts is not just because we're pre-programme tight apollo line. We're using video conference message in. He saw it might break up. But we do within about that. Unfortunately lost to discuss in the last few weeks lost to talk about today. We details metrics comeback. Plan Lost Week just front. Warren has said in his coma weekend. He's behind closed doors. Show who's one show per week from July five points on depot called when they were doing fourteen fights before rich taunts level shows that considering a few different venues gyms continually sanitize equipment secured Gary. I'll come to you. I am Europe's Yvonna jamming. You training finances won't sue of plans. If in place at the moment you watching daily for the green light oil a you ready to go soon as they left it yeah. We're ready to go because on we got clean At the gym sudden will get in. They getting ready for it. Because we're we're doing outdoors initiative as we speak we're using would you just take Somebody s equipment and boxing bag to pop next old people. Just trying out those with social distancing concerns. Obviously I'm quite interested in his. We haven't had the guard lines to minimize social distancing. So how did he fight his arm? Favorably Ascione I'm thinking about how do that go everything else in place? We've got Leah decided to oversee what folding government guidelines but until they say we can go back to the Jim Abbey near to one another. I don't know how he actually works. Now we have Shay mcguigan on a couple of weeks ago when he was saying even when they do lifted it's going to be pretty difficult to convince a Pfizer and train. That's come sixty miles down. Canterbury are in a confined space. Nor everyone's GonNa do that. You know there are very few own much non would say train. Is that live with their boxes. So they're not from the same household so is going to be difficult to convince him on the on the news that we were speaking about any surprises in that from Frank. Warren one one show week from July and five five per call bridge. Talk whatever you think. That's because the board had a lot more control about what's going on if it's British title level. There's no for an opponent suppose and if you've got few flights per called you can spice out a little bit young may not. I've got no doubt that that's C- initiate beyond it. They would fight as fighting again. There's no doubt about doing the best Is going to be interesting because as you said he left to be it has to be called would imagine. Even the economy has Say you event. Which would be bridge title fight? And then you got four under call dependent on Levels ought not overseeing the opponents would imagine it has to be journeyman from this country. Will you know Eden that enjoyment Gaza fringe contenders? You never have might be. Ten round eliminate is in English. Title fights you know. How do you compare what Frank? Warren's planning on doing what we discussed last week with mattress which is very very similar. One of the big things that I think Robert Smith has come out and said it publicly but obviously they're gonNA needs try and avoid fixture clashes like calls on the same night because you're not going to be a number of official was available. Surely everyone wants to be busy. Backlog of WanNa get promote was Wanna get busy promote shows. Everyone wants to get boxing moving again. Isi but of course the reason. Social distancing is the health and safety restrictions and just logistically even the border control. It's difficult to to get everything moving and keep everyone happy in April busy Soviet sleight of the ever going to have to sort of pulling the same direction rather than be counterproductive and going against each of us. You know we. We see once a year. The Bucks Roy is data when everyone comes together under the big bucks on man I think until we get out of the situation where we run now getting moving again. Everyone's can have to pull together a little bit here at and probably you know Shit. Share ideas and common interest rate suits. Everyone does no so backbone or going against each of the question so nothing. Everyone's going to have to be on the same page apron. It'll be at least get out in the woods. You get things moving again. And then boxing will automatically go to frank against Whoever the bows might be swayed powers at bay of the initially Month period lace to get. I think everyone's just gonNa Kinda pull together. Air was quite nice is for fight. `Cau- if we assume that three of those flights on TV but for the benefit of this argument books like five flights on TV TV companies bt books nations sqaure. All of them you're going to one call. Tv Flash. You're not gonNA one a fight. Weather result is easy to determine beforehand. Hopefully that normal single now any particular promotes but hopefully everybody We've only four flights. That's going to have to be fine. Fifty fifty certainly sixty forty flights. Yeah definitely I mean I love reading. I'm a bit of a box in buffalo reading up on old stories about oxygen and obviously in the depression years in a in the United States especially fights for hard to come by so you ended up fighting really good finance. You ended up in a decent level of opponent opposite not. GonNa Throw Mitch Straight in hearing them one of Eddie new signing a really good flat Eddie. Scotney she's making her debut Silvis Saad debut. Obviously she's been on the team. Gb thinks she's a bit more Voss in the law gals going Still we call Level Gil straight away can we so Would imagine is going to be a good level of it all depends on the call. Because if you've got some my Eddie's making up you constantly ever find someone super established in someone's going to give you one idea someone's GonNa give her a good fly but you you WANNA get with. Yeah just because there's a craving football fifty fifty or competitive doesn't mean that's going to affect how you bring the prospect longer you know you're rushing getting beaten you know what. What are you doing? Breaks the the guys that were for example. Big Ticket sellers that will probably give a coastal wins because they sold a lot. Tickets brought a lot revenue to the to the car. I don't think those guys are going to be given those easy twitches because ticket revenue just isn't going to be a factor interesting points guys. I think this is something that's GonNa roll. Roll Roy up until we have confirmed something. I want to get your opinions on both in something. That caused a massive stirred. Probably the biggest social media story inbox this week which was on my Williams neighborly sparring footage cheap show bullying something that happens all the time. What did you think it was absolute complete It was bullying Burst ROOMS TERRIBLE. That he did it secondly to go on. Stick it on. Social Media. What was he thinking was a nobody Iran in the bus? And it's not the way to go back to the Jim on some levels below you. Want your learning nothing from it. So it's just a complete Liberty Taik him out of order unto govern sticky on social media. I mean not. It's just like image suicide. Nobody's he's gone from sight being a likable talent. WanNa get hearts being because of the way he's gone on. I would like to see a bully. Now someone's I live is in the gym and imposed on social media. You look people might mistakes. You know two main book the League with him for a while people want me to equip forgive. You know that page will hold that him. A long time rightly or wrongly. Go Gary fairly sure. You're going to have a similar opinion cowardly and bullying it was just pull form. Donahue advising him. I always said for a long while with the growth of the social media amongst athletes especially books where consumed Vigo guys ally. You know they won't every aspect of their training posted on doing five miles now. Supposedly five miles union need to read about everything is having to be posted now. People just not thinking the minute Tyson did a little five minute. Exa of independently. No-one hitting back fifty-three-year-old. He looks amazing. But come on not only anybody. It should be allowed near and AMMO. William Suits Anees it. Just it reeks of Paul Advice. It reeks of not having the right network of people around him. Because he's a young and I always say with young and old flies sometimes. They need saving from themselves because they consumed with Vegan. And I just really don't know what Paul in food. This was right but there are times when you need counseling. I post you. Think the next generation of fighters when the get them up. I mean this is something that would say Happens all the time in British Fox in? I do think that the board needs have sought like a social media adviser that cities guys upon These winner of us. You know so saying you'll come up to the great but they young and it consumed a Vegan. They WanNa know great all the time but some Banal reason. This guy is the right thing to do to bash shop. Somebody called the odor ends up and posted. Which is absent. The only I think the big thing is people just two quick be both said it just too quick to fly things up on social just thinks why post it. Honestly don't I but this is wrangling with me and my conscience. We took another day about the James Kirkman footage. That was everywhere. Complete readiness wasn't which was mine. It was horrendous. Obviously does happen. I mean A concert up in in a gym where I have seen totally one sided or enough seeing one soil inspiring. But nothing where nobody's sensitive. Just ease off or something like that but just to post the other night. I've seen people post the knocking or important around we again. Which is Norris this you years ago. I'M NOT GONNA say I'm gonNA completely contradict myself. You see that because it was in an Eddie in the was practice makes perfect overhand handwrite. The Guy Goes Chin. I the canvas. And he's like Velcro to the canvas and then someone's cut into four G. does exactly the same in appoint imminent skis. But I can see why someone might post that. It's like what we do behind. Closed walls happens in real life. But you don't need to post. I don't know why you do. It's Humiliating Ryan Garcia. He's Young. He's obviously a good team around him. He's one he's version of that practice makes perfect was him hidden. In Renault's those opposed time to count leftovers and that's the same leftover that he used against the penalty of day. So there are ways of doing it. You don't need to embarrass a sparring on it. Because that's what is that once when something goes out on. Social media is there for evolve. Respect the Devon Heine thing revenue. You need the beauty jump soon. Seen the day for me. It's the wrong way to go back. I mean ally doing lots of foreign go. We have giradi adding was that's why he was the first big. Basaltic we had him. Just making people Mason maybe a few light combinations Join Away Elliott. Could ever need to show threatening someone sparring. I mean good. Go to the gym. I didn't Cameron George Foreman Sparring back today. Can you even imagine he has posted a video? He has apologized. He did say it was a lot frustration. Hindsight put it out. He's deleted the video that's what he says. He's a very hard lesson learning publicly. That's what I would say But not good no good image for anyone on a sliding lawyer hall. Had No fever be sold a books in showing the way we posted the clip anyway? Derek Zora saying the perfect his boy and the Russian has been on the phone and he's GonNa go and help him spa the why. I asked him what he billionaire. Think about that. And he said he doesn't he doesn't care what he thinks. S put it. Why is there any loyalty to the Brits in this should be going in helping every man for himself and Derek knows that he's doing enough? No love. Lost is the between Derek Daly a proper. Ding dongs personally is adopting ever really matched about the HBO's So there's love lost that so just because about about the keys really says that as a loyalties Amethi. Keyser is operatives Kid Aching Kanada alphabet. Kid Yeah I'll just think this votes between the Patriots Ism or whatever sawyer that really is is a trip with the same thing earlier is matt us at Patriotism to these agents. Talk Derek. Man He's going to do what he thinks is right for Derek. And you know it's GonNa be innocent. Prevent isn't the fighter wants was Derek will get something out of it. It was fun with a weld level fringe contender. He won't LOSE ANYTHING FROM IT in although I think the That we see now is the Jerry That we're going to get now. We'RE NOT GONNA SEE. It's she's it helps. Sustain shape helps in have a camp like mentally. Hopefully the way of akin goes about his influence. Derek may be of different way. You'll see law. Maybe goes for Romney is wrong with him and also being able to light wanting to get on the TV skin absolute woke lost one dot much as well also he always is always will be and you know what the the game will miss the riches Definitely depressed miss it. They wanted to sleep a little bit easier. Maybe I also in. The news comes speculation canal next opponent and whether or not it will be Jason as well. I cool up with the man. Who have he say on that decision? It's golden boy. Matchmaker robot robot was full of great stories including how many is boxing. Idol led to a life in the scope. It's not like you go to school or training or either you're in it because you're a fighter and then you go into the training or the management or you're in it because your father was a trainer and you learned you became a trainer stories. Very peculiar At times I still. I mean to this date. A government sat can't believe it but I met one of my favorite fighters at the time One of my favorite all time fighters. Today I met Mark Dantonio read out mall and we were Christmas shopping December. I approach to Mike. Any fan would've or I would've approached any other fighter at the time there wasn't cell phone cameras on the cellphones can take a picture like you can't today to be stocking him later. I see him pass by again. And I said a Marco. I'm a big fan had approach Moradi. I'm a big Fan. Keep your head up. He had just Lost Junior Jones. The second fight you'll be back. I said if I give you my address. Would you mind sending me an autographed picture? Would you mind sending me something? Sure can you address? I give it to him and you know I didn't think much of it. I hope he said you couple of weeks later. I received a package in the mail and it was autographs. Pictures Studio Photo t-shirt couple items and a no you know. Stay in touch. So now he's GonNa fight in California a pre fight like a tune-up prior to fighting the first rally's fight in two thousand and I lived in San Diego drove out to Indio California and right as I was walking into the venue. He was checking in with the promoter or the commission to check into his locker room. And I say Marco and now some time had passed and he turned around he goes as San Diego. They didn't remember the name but he remembered San Diego. That's where we had met at the mall and I'm like yeah. Yeah come on. Come back with me. And he introduced me to his father's brother. A trainer Rudy Pres- his right hand man Oscar Maldonado at the time introduced me to the team and from there it led to a friendship. I visited in camps. Go to all his fights when he split from his for boxing and his management. He asked me to join him and and help them with his career. And and that's what we did and that's where I met. The people are golden boy. We markle pretty much. Is George the end? 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I only used to be able to see on TV. You can't go to university and do a degree in the business of Boxing. And it's a multibillion dollar industry is just experienced it it's being around it. Same fights that got mining all to mistake that rush that Katie got beat. I never out that you can hold a kid back to. It's it really is fine on. Its does not that many great much But it's just having the all you can see it just and that's why you know the read. That's why they're while Pie. That's why they're very much sought after in company. Golden the more at rankle whoever get on call in they generally with them for life for the fan. Listening some of the fans are the greatest matchmakers out there because they know boxing and it would save man. This fight against this right. Yeah that's right but what they don't know and they know great that they if they're listening to to no it's not just. Oh let's put this guy in against this guy that's a great fight because there's so many obstacles to make that management trainers. They might not be in agreement. I WANNA risk management might say I don't WanNa risk you know my investment right now. What is balloons are skilled? Goes DOWN OUR PAY scale? No that could affect the outcome like Matthew said earlier. If you do it too soon it could change the career forever if you do it too late and it is a fine line of win but at the same time with risk comes reward. Boxing is a risky sport from the moment. They step Vince. But it's abortive opportunities. I like it when they're young to test the test. Not every fight because then you can finish a career sue. The best part for me has been seeing that pro debut progress and become a world champion. One of the keeps being spoke about a monmouth keeps it in the floor because my own personal opinion on it but it's Ryan Garcia in hall gala. Nora's the personal opinion because we've had Lesnar is best over here and we've seen him up. Close my head saying wow that surely too early but how what can you tell us about that? What I love the fight. I think it's a a very entertaining for the fans. It's a fight that I want. You mentioned it right at the press conference after the do no fight. He said look I wanted you wanted to narrows I want Campbell. Ryan is very very matured. What we see sometimes on the social media behind the scenes at can works in Azoff and he learns really good he has tremendous he had a lot of amateur experience. So when people think it's too early we know when they fight. Obviously but I don't think so. I mean when you see fighters from the past when they were fighting these top level fights was at this age. It's a young man sport Oscar. What it is prying five times in one year beneath won the world title at Seventeen Ryan. That's beginning wanted to fight these guys and I said it's not I mean we gotta wait when the when the time's right when your body's mature when you're more experienced when you're going around I think the Times now robots have really really good guy a lot time for him and really enjoy speaking to him? You ve very close relationship with wasn't joking when I said I always thought that being a matchmaker would be the best job in the world and actually are down. It's not as easy as that and he. He was very honest about that. He's phone is never an every. Thomas Phone rings it was trepidation that something's gone wrong but not an easy job in Scott matchmaking. Boxing is one of the worst. It's great when it goes well. You twenty four hours from from a show. Phone goes not matchmaker in such and such ones pull that refile medical whatever. And you've got to run around. 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They said the when the pandemic is lifted in we can look at getting international is in United they'll have more more about that just from my personal point of view. One of the best ones. I remember Travis. Dickinson's pro debut when we had him with Frank Maloney was in Wigan and other fever. Remember Patrick Mendy who won price flights. So they go Patrick Mendy for his debut. Because I think Jim Evans Jim. Who was very coy. Jim So said something like yeah yeah you know. He's he's gravely ill. A few rounds. Patrick Mendy was an absolute nightmare. Danger Man and gave Travis Dickinson. This cut like money box. Click on his head at the Wanted I remember frank looking for the match like he was Jimmy Gill Stove in around the arena? Where Jimmy Gill West you go? You want to kill him so I always thought to myself actually. Maybe it's not that good a member. Stephen Could Avoca Manchester Buxton just lay on his pro debut just while a couple games himself and he was annoyed. Mary physically strong statement by Liberty. Bucks up not really opponent Shah on. It was a full roundup on WanNa buy this was just was looking opposite new rioted strata around and those a show with both you know stood by the referee at the the middle of the rink white but and the look on statement bounce. Find seat was just lot watts. Jost opens result peaches thousand nine stories. Just let's pick so gary what we've been doing during lockdown as we've just been picking general generic topics that we can discuss at length. Because let's be honest. We're speculating about the no. So this episode. We'll be debating the best body punches. So He's a list of some of these suggestions that came in from the fans and some of these great shouts Mickey Woods. Tony Zale Mike McCallum. Ricky Hatton's Sam Langford Joy Frazier Jake Morton. Mike Tyson Henry on strong canal. Chevy Senior Roy Jones Junior era of Gueo Mickey Buca Bob Fitzsimmons list. What is the art of a good body? Punch Gary D. Think he didn't mention Iran. Then come in from the fans but yeah I mean why these fans I need to use youtube. It's out. There is so much on their only this morning watching another great what he punch a really petrole against. Jimmy mcmullan nine four Madison Square Garden. I and you can see. Petrole setting up full body shots. He's using the job just to get ready to forty shots. There's a few more on the callers. Palomino will great world weight champion came over dominate Straits. Rhythm vicious lifters. Live on Sundays up as a couple more but Britain's best. I don't think anybody who ever I think the closest to Ricky Hatton is Brian mcguigan. Good Shop Map. We did a fly on not slow. You think that probably standing top of the table domestic wise best body punches the Yapping so uneven on the world cities right up. There was such a fantastic body known as a great body yet. It's still open. You will find that. Gaffey Gripe Roy. A really good dressing up these attacking. The SCAR IS LIQUID. Variety could screw shuts up the middle around the side. He was absolutely brilliant. Open up guys defense in obviously generate a loss of power in particular that to the body. But you Mickey Mickey Ward was a good reason that Lisa tight. Here's someone who wasn't that Nice. I don't know he would be no for. Maybe would have been his biggest asset. Still really good body. Poacher Floyd Mayweather. A great job to the bully Floyd Mayweather Butts Ricky Hatton. He Hut Ricky to the buttery. I was GONNA say earlier mayweather especially as a successful way up up to lightweight. Especially it was a really really good dummy. That guy could do all he really could do it. Yeah you know and you know as you said earlier there is there is an ought to it. It's not just woken up to someone and Waylon away to the body which not suspects Mickey. Would he wasn't really big on head. Movement was really good in God's Not Nice and getting close you then unloaded whereas the May with Iran's they made it into not they actually lured you into shots so they could cow off your shots. He was a Super Bay. And all these Dong sipping slides sleeping outside personally. I don't think anybody did as autistic we will as Durante. I mean when I still watch Duran against Palomino that his life infighting cleanings work off. It's not just tune guys forwards touching wailing away each of which is what we tend to see nowadays apart from the most exceptional body punches so is exceptional body punches nowadays let Canelo who use it as an who sleeping inside and outside of your reach counterfeit or you guys just on the way to learn it. They go the. Ah The aggression by the altruistic. I want you to punch at me so I can council. You very rarely see that. Nowadays McCallum seemed to have and threatened me from a tech point of view. Bay seem to the right hand you'll mice through like a Bolo shot to the pit of the stomach but the left hook he if you if you think of your hands as a tennis bowl like a it make a circle the southern central if you think that area if you talk to robots tie in he seemed to find that area just below the Ri- Obote pinpoint accuracy Bo. We've awful connotations adding tensions a certainly scour through the list of Youtube reminiscent as well. Mcdonagh's Buddy Schultz. Just might be too sick. He hit Minnesota in Texas Loans Jim Ryan was Arrow Graham now wouldn't be no grain because they grams south Yes it was because he Us It's emotional because I'll just jumping on finishing off now finishing all to just jump in and it with the body show. I felt it came out to said you just overreached right at don't do most of overreach so then wasn't Amazing Body on job and unlike ricky. He didn't actually finish many opponents with forty shells. They will all the whole package. They used to weigh you down whereas ricky was just absolutely rick with crushing more than he's Inches lob highlights are putting short finishes. Where might they were Eupol each? Yeah I think that's a similar thing with Mayweather let's say he doesn't finish him off with a big left hooks about in the way that a canal award otherwise the Ricky Hatton would but he's broke guys down with the body shots Geno to main and it's it's the headshots. I get the matter a little bit of stick for this bomb. A no the when rookie rookie canal we would add on. No one would say. That's a terrible example but canal. He's punching that noise and a no rookie fielding. Didn't bring to the table. No disrespect to rookie. I think he he froze but canales shots the body. That might just so. That's I seen him in the flesh also impressed here. I mean that's not disrespect is no disrespect to a rookie. It'll what canal can do to the body and seemingly canal. He's actually getting better at it. Actually getting I think we all up until you months I met We are now witnessing a peak. Cannella Daniel Jacobs fought surely was in his peak Thinks he's the finished article now. All the head movement is a with tell you what the moon is up there with a peak Duran Looking at great head movement and then turning that into account He's GonNa be out there among history's best in keeps on on this trajectory irradiation. He can do it when it was no disgrace against women to fight somebody with that good movement is doing it for the reason that they wanna counter punch is different. Lot flies Amateurs happy enough making you miss. But I don't really count. Yeah with him. It's punishment it'll make you miss fruitful shots but you photos for again and then at the answer but we often see that in. He's now what he promotes on social media all. He's highlight reels of Inspiring but on the pads and you various into fights Matt just touch on Billy. Graham spoke about what it was lot training under him in the past episodes. Would he focus a lot on body punching? Is it just something? That was Paul Regime. Apart Phoenix raging. Was he a very good? Master of teaching shots. No I think it's something that he definitely focused on. Not just on that but it was something that definitely was part of his training regime. But I think like attracts law. Always good buddy Anyways good buddy swat was looking for someone. I was looking to impose physical strength to partly an intense to take and obviously to work a lot on the buddy. And so that's why it probably would consumer Nicole's ricky Hatton's `indigene everyone's kind of aspiring a human how he's falling. He's achieving things and he's working. It's a work from so you tend to follow suit a little bit. Like you know copied the moves and you you work on things that goes into Jim Miller ahead of you you you try and emulate them so there's always a bit certainly believe someone not very much of use this. I look over twelve for a while level. You catch on my generally. It's breaking down process winning the rounds. But you also want to be taking more that it was you see. Chipping away breaking match. Slow like Body shots your presence. You know making work when he doesn't want to be you've got you can't just have mutual race because then he's driving battery. You Got Nick Arrest. And that's experienced. Come across the without certainly body shots you get hit with you buddy shots. It's GonNa take the window your sales Talia Gary move onto the next topic Ninety four week even move onto Julio Cesar Chavez just what Matt was saying you know getting a bit on inside while still doing damage that was Chevy that love is something we give him enough credit. How good he was defensively on. The inside not already was then if you saw spence expensive fear and posted a lovely clip on his instals week about Chavez on the ropes of just catching shots on the inside when he passed the ropes safari did not he be ignorant. Resolve that with something else out there. Bizarro lucky was so worried about JEB. Is going to that five just destroyed very good? Livingstone bramble and a Was never the same again. Jeff can all and something else to watch all she Best heavyweight bully punch joy freight. She was on that list. So you mean feels like an obese. One watch Jaisamand Yukon Dispute what you watch the Tyro big fight. Big should have been a bit of fat any was he had drug problems going into pro career even but he overcame them I still believe you know when you put inaugural inside of a of a period of time. They take they take. Tv with you in withdrew. Nevertheless that night when Tyson be one of Tyson's most special nuts the me he actually dismantling About impose puzzle. You remember it might you say. Yeah when we would mony. He's moaning when seeing him on the inside. He goes Mike. What what you said he was Mon Mike Workflow. So the sound was he making going. Oh you already crew. Joe Frazier was a spotty point. Let's all my God so so was wasn't a? I watched the been in hold of the being work. Wherever I've watched pretty much every ally in Fraser. I fight everybody about fruit of Manila mate. Spot at each Lumps OUT PHRASES head for phrases Lumps have at least Borghi honestly even from the first round you could hit the body shots coming through the TV. I mean he was a you. What the watts achieved mohammad-ali to get hit with that. Let's talk the state's round of that following and they'd just to get straight straddle on believable eagle hit him go from left the drought he went into it. He was trying for apricot and went into it and he got straight just straight. Up On real unreal. Amazing okay. So let's move onto our fancy finances section and after a baptism of fire. We had another decent week lawsuit. We buy it. The super featherweight not unexpectedly had a runaway winner. Again off top choice was floyd mayweather and he came top of the votes defines fans vote. We seventy six percent core. Owed Alexis Arguello. There was just been no love frog. In any poll bidding. Three percent money patio came in second eighteen percent. But that's key because Pacquiao can now be considered in this week's runners and writers. So it's a biggie. Gary think you WanNa Excel at this? I think you're GONNA enjoy. I think we're GONNA absolutely burn your head out when we tell you the rules so it is a big one misses like the glory division is GonNa make or break as Gary Division. The rules are Oskoui Sports. Fans saying you can only have one five two per weight category. That points can be from any era but he called appear in the list twice. Okay so this is the list. The fans said in some of suggestions that we got all go through them and then afterwards. I'll explain the people that we can't use the word he'd been selected so we go off sugar ray. Leonard is an unbelievable list. The what division sugar Ray Leonard. Henry Armstrong Sugar. Ray Robinson Roberto Duran Charley Burley Thomas hearns. Tito Trinidad Bonnie Ross. Pack Ya'LL MICKEY. Woo Common Basilio Emile Griffith Jimmy McLaughlin pernell whitaker. Jose Napoli's for Mayweather Kid Gavilan. Barbados job will so out of our youtube. Go augie. A top three now the people that you can't consider Gary the already been another list. You cannot have Henry Armstrong Thomas hearns. Going what did he did? He love middle single while to light. Archaic and Floyd Mayweather. He won last week's so of any of the ones that we've eliminated. How many of them would you consider it in your top? Three all of them probably all of them and I personally think on that night. September sixteen Leonard be earns. I we're GONNA controversially. Say that. Probably and of doubt he could be met. Not only Ray Robinson. Could it be in Tow behinds at night? 'cause he was given landed a leaking. Tommy hearns lost that far on the scales. Came in ten stung will instead attend. Seven on the Mesler on the whites and he just ran out stay to say he lost of schedules takes away that glory from Lennon. Now at what he looks. He looked like a giant going into the ring up into her seat round. It never looked like letting was winning. That fight you know. And as you know Gary Stalls might fly. Tommy Hoods was Leonard Bogeyman. An are truly believed that but also he was underrating boxer as he proves often the to ram beaten Leonard gave him in seven finished many fires and the fat he came back. Probably one eight nine ten eleven and twelve were testaments A. He's boxing ability which Emmanuel shoot no doubt health for Refused to accept that and I. I'm a lover I mean I live on Tofa in years old jumping up and down on my bed. When I found one that was released because I remember watching UN's destroy this absolutely scary Peppino Cuevas might have to be considered as probably the hardest punch exception of Trinidad or Hans in this list. I remember seeing destroyed Cuevas Bloodier have is be gary out of interest. Because I usually gone lay down in a dark room after these discussions has matt made a big era in an. I'll tell you I'll tell you are thinking just let you in. Would you have put sugar Ray Robinson as you'll leading beltway if you could consider him the I'm a great believer in history the whole fable? You read about history how we hope to not repeat site mistakes again. This is what is era of new boxing. Fan is doing the day. They get incorporated Wise not going back far enough and I think back Matt saying to unchivalrous on anybody that Just think that you have to have Armstrong. You have Gary Lines a look just want to put me seed was gonna Right Robinson as a whilst white when we were doing the middleweights sites and he goes right I was gonNA have him as one of the one welterweight and then he goes. Well look you use them twice. Apply US talking to the white champions and I saw was wasn't yeah. Okay I'll have been white at lea- being strategic because got right. Robinson has minimal one middle white which leaves the Meat Sport. Right Leonard is white and I got some heads number one at super walls up which is absolutely a fair argument. We will have to explain that on social media. He taught to the anti the rail sales. And all those guys around in those days that new Robinson Man say use a worldwide but that takes away from the fact that he's not now because he's the greatest midway of all modern. I can have an argument about that another day. He was number two bills out. Just list left here Unequivocally have to go for railroads and and this may have watched the Bonnie Rossi's watching the lawn. In the Napoli's Natalie's was a beautiful boxer useful combination punches strong argument that was as good combination puncher at world tour as len was and then it was something special you know could government yet kicked. Gatland Emile Griffith. We have to have a male goofy there as well. Apparently aloft isn't much He wasn't same. Fire off the Detroit. Benny Carre fight. Way Parades judge is live plugging here. But don't Mcrae's book on Griffiths read maybe a year ago and it's like it's a haunting book an all for Domocrat. The books I've read from him. They make a lasting impact on you. But the Emily Griffith one really did hit me. Can we have a little bit of? What May Sugar Ray Leonard? I mean what's questioned. This is. What make sure Leonard? So good? Ole is a superstar was she was like the e seventeen obstacle oil to make good looking articulate intelligent live because by list it was American Gold Boy. And then you know that was ninety seventy sixteen. He was world champion as seventeen. You know just just unbelievable. You know what I mean to to go in and be will fight. Open eight says then. Obviously Tommy is wild to tell me how they are the wealth white champion six four odd masic jam probably maybe faster. The Leonard Valente just stayed in State. The was last win. That OUGHTA cards in the Ford Saints Ryan's you know stating that and got the win and went through the whites Isn't everyone got their opinions on the mob. Hagler wants with doesn't match the layoff that he had to go in there. You know what I mean. It was just unbelievable. Want true. True True writes. A boxing would audibly dominated any era. He was so good that when he turned pro in nineteen seventy six. The bucks in Rye is guilty. Miracle Books is guild. Gave him fire the year in nineteen seventy six just turn fro because they realize the effect that he was going to have a boxing and Salah pressure for somebody who's just throw of the back of Olympic? Oh Middle Right you are the next one you. The next addity delivers it. Time and time again from nine Funny on twitter yesterday to a five History and they rate it they peak years was in lend was in May with mayweather. Twelve was the Wilson probably may with have incredibly even even hadn't been rated junior lightweight having credibility in this pantheon in the welterweight pound for pound is that volumes. Us twelve no the best name of those will awaits is Manny Pacquiao and that happened to for years. Aussies fight they Leonard Box and he hoped fries who's a WBZ number one. Contender destroyed two rounds then. Wilfredo Benitez was well champion at seventeen. Who would then go in? Winnie's birds a lot but wait knocking. Our Mois Oh you then as the Montreal with Duran which Ray all sell said he went As a boy came out as a man. You Windsor Return. They'd beats is really for the weight and letty beats. Tommy Hines Package is no Body of work arguably in history with a guy has beaten that array of opponents in that space of time. Completely for everything you've said that nylon. Hey that this would be an easy one to get our number one. Who would you put in the three? Then what would you listen? Then we'll get gary so he would you have is your second and third picks so I mean this is like again you tolkien. You've got to go back in history and there is an. I really see the kid. Gavilan books you look at what he achieved had to close you know competitive points or like like to very competitive sugar. I Robinson Haman basilio without he's one of the rights of the feature that said. I didn't really seem box. Showed him and his bit for aged black. What but not not a lot because white before my time. But there's no doubt that you've got to recognize greatness within the welterweight division and they'll griffey a bit further on into the sixties. The petitjean read more about him. I think he he was one of the whites of the of the site. Mayweather abused super-feather. Durant GONNA use a lights. Tommy Hud's sit strategically at Super Welterweight Right. Robinson number one middle so for me landed. Lewanda throw guys like you know. Annual growth face. You throwing like Kid Gavilan. Also Felix Trinidad was really good. Welsh light by a super-rich a ferocious whilst white. Miguel concert was a really good well. White Oscar de la. Hoya you know. We're going to more of the mayor with those guys. Jose less brilliant brilliant. I know strikes be in Mexico. I think he's at the end of the road that Feliz. It was Rodney and Mickey Duff. Told me a story. Natalie's box just before. Stacey and Mickey Duff was got on the phone to Terry Laura's and he said let's make this fight now and Terry Lawrence was always the more cautious of that shit series About Zozo Miki said listen. He's ready to go now and the rest is history arrests. His knowing wins fights you know and Yeah Napoli's at the end of his career being badly by a small zone while sky up for the middle weights higher. He's just too small as a world's wait he was near enough. The complete package is of any era fi with. He's just these counterpunching bill in the way could make you miss. What's funny enough a watch? The fight way defended the title against Griffey. Phony couple of days ago and Griffith was still greeted still at a lot about these fundamentals will wonderful and nothing just face. Spends the first two rounds. Make you miss you know you. Don't you don't hear that a lot. But you just makes first three rounds make it a missing catching medial jabbing your council. It was beautiful to watch two. And three for you. Gary some free of this list of. Hey I'm gonNA did to history and not underestimate not undervalue them. Just simply because we don't remember them if you read all the sages inbox in history to a man ball Betas I would have as number free and then I would have number two. I would have Napalese okay. So if we say that Napoli's to then we you to agree of Bob Eidos Joe will go Emma Griffiths and Kid Gavilan. You go get one of those three into you. Will top three think we should go for meal. Graphic that yeah he was a dominant mainstay in the nineteen sixties will always. I'm immensely say was still talking about an era still a real realistic will titles on eight hundred pages you could. Jackie won the junior welterweight back in the phase. But that was really renounced junior lightly key chocolate. One that not in the ninth by wasn't what we're now so it's only when you want one of those eight titles of agents and for you to still be a mainstay will face complete decade. We met twice. Yeah Yeah you have to progress in definitely reading his book and they said there wasn't a single thing that he did great he just did everything. Well as far as that's Chris. Even though he doesn't do anything spectacular. It's no witnessed a and that's the great thing he did. Everything really will you? Did everything really will not just well. We did everything really will. And this is why APPs it. I'm actually marvel at. She relented because he didn't have said she will. And the number one thing that Leonard did member Ridge Guard said I used to always watch ridge countries the finish up and he had a great jewel. That's what got re said. He said before anything else is secret behind On June is that it takes a great punch and to be a great job. You go take chances to be a great finish up. You go take chances when he Round her still buses it was brown and he still came back. He had a great big. And I've I was fortunate enough to have a dinner with booth. We had dinner. It was just me. Him originated railing. Love this saves amazing night and Adamson what were you thinking that night when you go into ring useful. Tonia across the room for me. And he looked out the crowd and full. Who'd Tommy HEARNS Is Absolutely the action home? Hamady ending sunset only mohammad-ali could be Menashe Y came out. Johnson because I primarily for I was just gonNA stand on life so we away I was just GonNa stand on top of them and battery was going to have a fight because he was so huge. I realized that I had to be a woman and just keep moving and arrested history. Such a good place to leave it there. So all took threes Ray Leonard. Jose Napoli's and Emile Griffiths three review. Of what's the last dance which I'm not speaking about length because the fact that sugar ray Leonard is still alive. And we've got that for John DOE. There are some great documentaries outlay having watched that came away thinking love because there are still great books still with us love someone gets Lennon. Put something together Remember the fabulous full video. Yeah I do in the end bunch. How excited posing because I've watched it not Nettie. Tongs broke so the one that I'm really desperate to see. Is the Ali. Hbo One that was our not last year. Before was it lost. You even kept seeing it loads of fresh action in IT LOADS OF UNSEEN GARCIA. It and then they took it off the man that are still can't get hold of it but my friend in Ireland Said the just gone back on demand over there and it should be out over here saying so. That's the one that really wanNA watch the had. The video cassette reg gutteridge on leaded One which was unreal. Just thought you matt take car. Never be retrieved. Was Getting into the era now. The millennials era I watched it on. Vhs They'll be like whereas in central London Cassette Letters like a pretty good place to leave it. Gary I think of playing golf on your out to play golf today. I'm going to hit some balls ago. Prompted League match tomorrow Song. Disconnect Gandhi practice. Here's the best books that you've played a golf. The most talented boxing doleful box out of booth doesn't count. Don't count sadness really. Okay Sam's go. Most Beautiful High Drool all my girl. I controversial Patients go because on the hook hacker very very much like a because you would have to go fishing at the moment. My diction is carp fishing and I could sit all day. Look at the end of the road and not catch anything but I could keep going around eighteen hose. Shanking IT clubs us not conduit might. Golf is a testament of a man's patients and he's real carrots winning. 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Macklin & Jones talk Matchroom Fight Camp & Iron Chins

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Macklin & Jones talk Matchroom Fight Camp & Iron Chins

"I'm not cody and if you're not you're so spicy. Listen to told SOPA cost anger. Hello and welcome to this. Week's edition of ring saw totes to a boxing. Podcast exclusive to Sky Sports. I'm Andy ISCO and we will come back. One of our original look down club members as Jerry. Jones joins Matthew macklin as has become the norm. We all recording on a well known video conference website so we are inserting usual disclaimer about sound quality. If you can't hear us or distorted by the joys it's the best we can hope for. You can hear US enjoy. It will report that. The guy's GonNa make so lots to discuss this week. A have to say will barry. How are you keeping down? Oh you will all you okay or your family and friends ice. I'm having the most. I don't need to have a haircut. And that's being a bit of a plus freaking out about their state of the head and want to try to bobbers. I just been by myself on the head to the pillow for years. My husband fallen. So I'm I'm right ahead of the curve here really the other way because I just can't bring myself shade. It annoyed people that are shaped in the policy. It doesn't come back or is good. And then all of a sudden you're remortgaging house. Cat Hair transplant. And you look like you go ahead transplant program to know and the in one thousand nine hundred ninety five either either haircut like neom gallagher. I thought it was. I thought I was away. She's not and then I shaved my head or crew. My other said the right mistake s and they'll never go back and these rights did I mean. I don't know if this is the secret. I'm going off script ready two minutes but I do think that Lynn James Ago went to Canada to fly. Lucien booty to inspire Jim. Donald told him to watch. Marvin Hagler is and he then shaved his head with a razor. I think Oh look like Marvin Hagler and when it came back didn't come back as planned. Cover there's lots to discuss this week and I should start with match room fight camp. Mattias confirmed that he's going to host boxing in a marquee match. Hate to and the stories been a little bit because people are saying any hunchback golden. He wants to live in that house but he doesn't live in now. It's the old family house for those people that haven't been by is a really interesting and intriguing plan. Yeah absolutely. I think it's a an impressive. Been done into Eddie's aldhouse the metro might it's an impressive Harrison impressive setting in about God and I'm saying view plans Online luck. I'm sure people have an. I'm actually really looking forward to working on that. I think you'll be a really unique and surreal experience. Testing is going to be the big thing because I think one thing we've learned from the UFC. These guys need testing and they need regular testing in. That does come a cost and that will limit how many people were on site jumping. I've no idea for being both or just be the copensates house or doing the old but Dufour there a positive element to this because it was talking about a fixed date with boxing could come back. I think the have this pat will be contained in everyone involved G. Test. It's going to be a week or two before where everyone state bottom tolkien. Awhile back about couldn't shows in Vegas. Naven stay in the gym grand. 'cause the Gazan has been used contained in the same building but maybe two weeks and not think Eddie hearn's idea donate matching offices out and I they have maybe some sort of the caravans. Maybe Eagle bagels all the pulse Wednesday evening or less they just completely take over the local hotel there and either dead. I'm guessing that all the staff that work in hotel. They would also after the hotel because know they can't leave and have contact with people. Thank combat the testing would be avoided. That have to do it all again. So it's at a magical logistical. Don't to put together a book. You know once they get through all the way through out to get pre accelerate experience. The plan certainly look good anyway and talking of Eddie plans return to AJ PU plans presumably because he has to start getting things moving. We wait around forever to see what the heavyweights are going to do. Aj improve level scheduled to happen. Say Half the plough with it hurts to hold it at the end of the year with Croatia and the Middle East being considered will. Do we recommend Barry A if. Aj comes out the UK. If that's snipe posted towards love probably fall on the age that were that. Saudi chip was a good experience for him. So I don't think he'd be phased by that. I think is a perfect confidence-building Pulo still a good fighter. Could beat Joshua Joshua at his best and I think he's not fight that he was. I think he's being kept waiting. Which long eleven? I think he's just being on the standards too long. I think Joshua do a good job with him so whatever it may be. I think he'll eat. It does the job and he doesn't impressive. Fashion took it about books return in I'm Chicago. Stevenson is gonNA fly Rafael Rivera. That's almost finalized. leaked out online first before top rank of made an official announcement which is the norm nowadays but boxing returning to Las Vegas fields again like brainwashing people. But if it's done correctly and safe to do so it can only feel like postive news the boxing's not only returning in the UK but also with our partners over in America. Yeah absolutely look laggers is one of the capital's welders some of the big big fights. Last twenty five years of happened in Las Vegas and a you know taught rank who had been for a long one of the biggest promotional outfit in boxing by said a the great relationships Golden Casino hotels and again on normal circumstances. If there's a big part by gus both sets of teams are in town. Seven days out you get long since you know the commission. The medical are all done. Eccentric CETERA. So you know. It's very kind of practical veasley proven and tested for them to have everyone in house for seven days. Maybe we'll do two weeks. I'm trying to get three ninety. Two three shows a weekend and do it that way just because there's a backlog of As in fights that need to be busy needs to be active. Needs to get done So they'll they'll try and get through as many of those as possible. I would imagine as quickly as possible luck. Recite Talk Rank Ho. It's very logistically practical for them to do it. Then I mean the only slide down soy the berries. The Chicago Stevenson. He's in fighting. Josh Warrington or Kid Galahad from from British point of view yes it is I think it'll that It was close to be made an autopsy will come to the UK. I think Stevenson was confidence. Become over here but defenses tile it only build it up. I think if we can get out was you. Can we give up? Which I think that's winnable fight for him at and then they go into it makes even bigger I think is not saying just get. Just get it back unless big box. Mel a young star in the making. I think that that will really President for us to go full with unbreakable especially in Nevada especially Las Vegas report. Put them all shows. Yeah I think I think Chicago. Statements Centers The best by the white in the world and I think he's GonNa be some when I as we look back on in ten or fifteen years. He's going to be a great school. I worry about his confidence left to be called an NASA on applicants to be a great. I understand that nowadays especially a lot of kids and I understand it will yourself. Sometimes it's talking to their own goods similar like a Waterton when you watch the Joscelyn's and you look at him you watch you beat beaten seven days a week. Alkan these news the water when you watch What's that fights? What a video. The box box and the L. Punch the punch against Fronton. So he look simple to two against. I think when you get in the ring you so physically. Tough unwilling through tools and clever them. You give him credit for someone like Stevenson's we've never been in a Down Wall by panic. Yeah there's no doubt easy seemingly good words. He's a lot better than I think that tenacity that intensity that he brings to the ring it knocks a Lotta good fires at a zoning Roy so when she goes Master rage dictates in terms of the boss. Things warranted will definitely try drag him at that cobblestone. Is he good enough to don't know definitely intriguing? One WanNa cut right to say we're not gonNA see aches. I think he's a great fun for them alone. Among wishlist for twelve months time would be Chicago's teams and coming over and sampling no UK fans of Josh Warrenton. If he was debate Josh and his home surroundings Redo the fans. That would all those questions just as their woman who's patients for boxing's returnees quickly running is Regis Program. We call up with the rue grew last week who admitted he needs to start getting distracted him from buying a lion or a monkey and that is not a toy that that's true he's got too much. How many times you thinking of buying a lion or a monkey progress told us he would love to fight in the UK again. He's not bitter about. The Josh Taylor Defeats No is definitely still happy memories. You're not I mean the whole thing before the fight I was always at. I want to be involved in the fight of their lives. You know so. It was definitely huge. Fry It was over. Twenty thousand fans at the ultra. That night I still thought that I did lose the VIKES. I know a lot of people when they lose fights really be down in a lot of people freshness stop isotopes fighters that laws before they you know. It is real hard on for me. It just wasn't a hard thing or really. Wasn't that hard to swallow. Because I didn't feel like I lost I gave you gave a good performance. I definitely feel I could do better with you. Know is no complaints about it in. I felt like it was his night. You know sometimes you cannot take away from somebody else's night you know in boxing. Sometimes I wouldn't go up there and say all Yaojie to me. If it wasn't my country I would have won. No I'm not gonNA stop you know. It was his night. It was his victory in. You know I was glad and I would. I definitely would come back to London again and fights most of the English fans they appreciate went to the fury fight and it was coming up to me. I mean more than most mostly anybody else besides like With was coming up made a made a May or may I thought you wanted to fight and that you really WANNA fight. You know they were saying all that stuff so I mean. I'm glad that I came. It definitely boosted my profile in those line combat over there and do it again. Just one the hindsight's a wonderful thing. Have you studied it and watch it back in and kick yourself a book? I just did this or if I just did that. Or if you know even had that feeding it was actually so good to be part of that from you. Saw the piece it was it was both you know on really. I haven't watched the fight. I still watch the fight yet. the thing is like. I know I heard him in a few times and it was just like Dan did. They could have got him. Maybe I did out of drop your now remember remember the last raw hit with a world. Good left hand. In kikinda failed fullwood. He fell on top of me in a we kind of done to clinch and I just thought that if I was him with that left hand it just stepped around. He probably where phone you know. There was something else on so you always. You always think about what you could've did. And all that stuff with you know played out high played out you know and is just all about better thing that fight maybe realize it's just like I. I have a lot of improvements in the picture I looked at. You know it was me in him in. He had his hands up. And I had my head down you know and that just made me realize like you know like everybody ever. Since my Ambrosia crew on coach. They always put your hands up. Put Your hands. Which has is like I. Can't I don't know why I have a really strong chip? You know in Rome justice but he never hurt me in the fight in you know and that's kind of why always you know. Let my hand you know but now is something know. I've been I've been working on. Just keep my hands up in blocking you know. Just just go back to the basics and stuff like that so of course you always think about you know I did. This occur did that but now it's for the next time making way way up. There was a great clip. Don't want to start like round two of the trash talk and it was a great clip off of Youtube in the hotel the next day. Lucas I think he had a bottle of beer. And you might punch respect into each other over social media over the last few months that you know. You've been bitten a jumpsuit. Twice Mush Relationship. Like now would you? Do you WANNA fight him again. I was glad to be involved in that fight because it was know it was like the best price of the year in as far as my relationship with you know. I don't I don't personally disliked. Go by you know. Of course we don't we don't go back and forth Someone to his. I messed this up stuff. In of course he says things about me in is to be it'll be little trashed off and hopefully we fight again is be more after the five. Uw Show you respect in Assam alive and he hit me on instagram. And my mom's like coming out of the library before we leave in a win down and you know we talked by five and stuff and you know it was it was good times in s is always be So good time but then after a few weeks a few months we all he'll up and then we ready to fight again. So that's why you know we go back. We go back and forth twin and stuff like that because it's like we still have that fight inside of us to where you know whatever we was cool but now we enemies again it is always be for ego. Don't want to stop playing matchmaker. You'd Eddie hearn earlier and a new to speak to you so I just asked him if he wanted to bring you back over the again. He said if you WANNA fight Lewis Richardson. Who was spicer by Nego- Vasquez Will Roby Davies Junior? Who read some beat? He said he'd love to make that for our loved that fight. That's like a perfect five leader to come back to the UK. I would absolutely love that fight. You know so no matter who it is no matter if it's hooking next office Lewis Richardson next. It makes sense for me. No I definitely will come back to you. On New Year's big crowd over their heads I kind of have a I kind of have a popular name over in the UK. Now so I think you know if any it happen I'll be I'll be down for comebacks in UK have to in the UK back to bay. That sounds good. Me believes the fans a rematch would Taylor and he also loved to face Lewis. Richardson in the UK. So that was something that I might take the blame fool. Expect two hundred in the morning and I said to you Eddie. Look on me integrated program joining a message for he said yeah if he wants to fight Lewis Ritz and over here or even Davies. Junior I'm open to that fight and coast. We put that out on twitter the Louis Ritz replied or went mad. So it's kind of awful but first of a regis rematch with Taylor. Matt what do you think? One of the efforts of last year Econo- economy would WANNA see again. I don't know what do you think? Oh yeah absolutely. It was a Nipah took thought that Taylor looked on top of one point radius. Got On top. You know one of those fights that it was you know the the it was a gripe by tyler just probably need digitally just got a deserved it. It was closed but I thought he just is a draw on official COD book. My feeling was that tyler probably don't know you know was a close on. Thought he was very close. A fan point of view would love to say it again a think. Progress Gripe fly at Tyler. Really stepped apply on showed what he was that night and I think he's I think the real business. I think it was a fad decision. But I think it's a Finnish business. I think those two definitely gotta get it on again and there could be a trillion because the so well-matched to proper really good Gripe Bartlett was to say it again by this feels like one of the divisions where we could hope and wish crew country that we could get one champion one nine yet. I think so I think the fact that just a with top rank of course Ramirez and not always made it more feasible that they could oxygen vacation and all the bouts Google when fight there as she stayed at unified. It's totally I will drive a she the pro-gay Again. I really would. I think it was a again. Said about new styles crashed in. I think you've had he lucky or fortunate to find the fight. The comments your own style to always make a good fight. I think Goff then Connecticut. How of the synergy every fight? They have even those canal to win now on every flight they had would be had close fights and I think the same would be reprogrammed hater. I actually had Taylor five points ahead. To be honest I feel all those early rounds Fisher coach. Just give me the Taylor but you can see why programs a lot of people who I trust with score the fine watching it back of side slightly for program by possibly and yet you can watch your back. I think when you watch it back with subconscious bias all awareness of how you scored the heart of people have. It's true skull is when you scored lights absolutely coaches as as Matt Scott. I was I was lives in the arena for watching it around friends zone up when I'm watching arts and I thought he was just doing enough for their coach when the being the argument was gone the other way but I'll take four or five points three but not you join the sound soundbite program Felton rehashed. Why should happen again while he would still be a fight way? Either one can take the win every you'll say Colombian I'm on the NEUER. Unofficially on addict one. Fourteen months just scoring ten nine books amendment. When Taylor got one hundred feeling line the white man got it if you know what I mean. I just thought that you know which kind of contradicts almost the scorecard I draw book. I remember when he got decision. I thought that that's probably right. Progress said in that interview and he said since various times that it was Josh Taylor he was like I knew at the final bell. It was is not and he said just stalls along for Josh Taylor that night. But he didn't go with his head bowed. You know he feels like he could win in a rematch. And we'd like re much kind of annoys. Go through to interview. Because he wasn't spitting feathers either. I hope that much happens before Taylor. Boxes Ramirez in many ways. Because I think the Boxes Ramirez and H- UNIFIES. I think he moved up to welterweight where the big money fights. We couldn't blame for that. I think that's I think the super lightweight if you're big threat wait I really just a waiting room getting the big leagues welcoming where the lower way to all the money is. I'm afraid okay. Well we can pick up another time because quite interesting topic but what we've been doing berry. Alofi which is keeping it very general. Because let's be honest and frank. We haven't had a hell of a lot boxing news to talk about So we kept it the same. This week we'll find to sending suggestions on twitter instagram facebook. Today we're going to be debating fighters with Ryan Chin's and boxes with the s job so if we start with the Chins may not have gotten many many gyms and none of them granite but but called fraught George Foreman Ray Mercer Oliver McCall Harry. Grab George Tavola call US zone kid. Gavilan Gene FULMER TRIPLE J canal. Some recent ones in there all Lumasoda called Thompson James Tony Rocky Marciano Matthew. Saad Muhammad. John Cal Zygi Holyfield Hagler in in a just some of the suggestions we had ma first dibs on this. The point. Is You know like James. Sony had a good team but he also had a great defense so it didn't get. He often to cleaning when he did it. He certainly gave combination court time. Sony want shots you've done while you're not gonNA catch itunes right. I mean call them in modern era. What's achieved a Adamy? Not Why hand George? Groves hidden with a mini literally underwent. We will know George Grotto's serious power so it wasn't just grows his pilot star the fires. Well it wasn't twelve rounds in. You hadn't even moved into. Ill literally walk run switch when the GOP economies kind of his leg was issued books. I mean he got through it. I mean just unbelievable. Eleanor McColl memory. It's not included. He's having a breakdown in the and just see enough on him getting shut off to shut again. Start nodding another one. I mean the fog Mugabe and runs frightening. I mean there's so many many or are we going to discuss the peak Juanele. Well now on on that Barry coming off that list. I want to pick up on a pick your favorite Chin but trying to explain ways that Sung fighters genetically can take a take a shot at another visit. Something you can train. I don't know I think you can go back to the point and also taking a shots and you can't you can't Chin that's true but you can get used to take shelter and also it depends on people throw so when someone hits you with a big heavy shelves once you taken out you can take them day if someone changes the temple of the the punches. That's forget you and also it's you think you take you think you can take a shot like is all Mamata Korea professional career. I never went on. Wants ever hit the flow ones so Artha Chin and in my last ago. Don't six times so I did not good gym? It depends on what level you books not good Chin. And then you step to you. Think he'd be punches. And you step inside world and all of a sudden you'll what you think is your Chin is actually made the candy and you fall over so I think it can. It can be a lot to do with the boxing. That's okay do resistance. Actually is what you'll find out. Great fighters have a bit of everything. And that's that's why we we love him and hate a Majella system at the same time. Okay let's dissect them who you think has the best chance ma about list that we said. I know you picked from the modern era. If you had to pick one J- if you had to build yourself a boxer whose Chin would you take remember Magi Hagler ever really been badly shaken OPA Tommy? Hearns came out. I Ryan just start throwing bombs and we now tummy hundreds an absolute massacre point. And now I'm not saying. He didn't stunning it's to again. It's the isn't the amine fraudulent cows aggie Boca quite jeans front from the UK and in the modern era. But I think Mohamed Elaine took with our junk fries with the fifteenth Ramsey physically exhausted absolutely shattered Absolute Page on the Chin. As you're about was shot yourself so you didn't see coming dropped heavy up. I mean that that's equal to go chain. You know it's not the fact that doesn't mean you never go down. But he went down and he got straight up. Baddies achieved say saying never gone down. Could Gavin Hudgens for Italy? Fights never stops assembly. All Brown and twenty nine wins nineteen defeats. Never GonNA stop. You know she opened the happen Ramos. He was another one. Then you might see. Ramos seems nineties heavyweights where Ibrox speak constantly. Kupa Holyfield Lewis Larry Holmes and a one of them could put a dent in. We could put him on the floor. Just think stopped at the end of his career. Looks real other nutmeg. Heavyweights only bettered by the seventies heavyweights and not one of them could put identified him and all of other caller. You mentioned though Tony Tucker Lewis home through on Tyson's Rego's fighting partner and there was rumors and they would just to and just Bassett each other and you just think how did he did. He never hit the floor and he never hit the phone his whole career in believable. I don't know whether this they see punches. Coming in tents or cutting you made the group Will James Sony the Great Chin embedded mind. He went through the way to that Chin. But I think what you said the vision to ride shots which sometimes these scholars his Co. Kitchen action is someone like Jake. Lamotta fought with his face in many ways. Well I was going to say I've never met George Tavola but Ed Robinson caught up with him on camera a convention. I Karma which governing body it was and we did a pace on it and people say that he had a granite chin. An absolute impregnable Greenwich it. I just wonder if it's a curse or a blessing if you will fighter because I don't know if call sometimes if certainly in the modern era and triple j take shots don't have to take because they know that they can take them out of 'cause they should someone forgot or as it wasn't on the list but it's got to be mentioned the more opinion and that's why. Mcculloch asks CAST CAST on August Glasgow Post Ariston. Who was probably stayed in a bigger on the night and I'm on ice. Ages bounced shots shots at the odds of his in skyser. Be Thinking Watts after. Put these believable. Chain tape really gets enough crepes. Chin Canal each flushes off. They all know how hit and he just didn't even blink. That's around the hall of field. Another guy who was a accrues elite moving up just stood. Toe To toe were the best regeneration. All of the best habits generation. It's highly critical is another one. It tends to be heavyweights that we remember mostly because it taken thunders inches of but there was resent sound provoked mccaw light welterweight lunatic. Russian new cuts up and MAC crazy but put him on. The floor was almost impossible. Task is fascinating watching someone that you know is Cheney and it's also fascinating watching someone that has a granite gin and expose. You can't have it both ways but it is great to watch and the curse. I remember Nathan cleverly ugly another Great Chin Nathan cleverly fantastic chain and when he box accommodating Cardiff and call it. There was a punch. Ebb is still unknown at the world level and speaking the Nathan stats and I say you have a good book and a good look at work. And he said we're GONNA put it rights on what they did. They gambled Nathan's Chin with data than the politics of comic not twitter. Maybe his Chin became coach because they took up gamble and couldn't be heard and obviously blew up in their face. When I spoke to Nathan couple years off to that when we were over in Germany. The brain flip. I asked him about in. Would you do this? Would that he said it didn't matter site put. My gloves taught my face and he was still punching through them off. He said the lumps on his head on his skull. Like golf boost Into that's how already hidden when I got I was GonNa say when I got beat. Blasio freighters on facebook company was pompous. My father than like a full string thing baseball cap. I have to do it by to a to Papas. On the back of my head was so swollen on from the punches. He hit me and massive. Holly attested this the punches me down. Weren't this powerful punch. That didn't show you. Don't see sometime that puts you dining necessary. Big The hottest Acura on shut. You didn't see you got you got hit some of the shots like you. So Oh just what was that an and obviously the headshots into the department and they probably shot and then you will go because the headshots scrambled your sense as you. You're not sure where you out is. Probably only like a millisecond to you. It feels like about a minute. I'M GONNA go hit once as an amateur. I looked at the referee and obviously it was just split seconds but for me it was like slow motion hit so ads looked to go. I'm okay and they had never seen anything. But when you get hurt you just lychee for the second. You'RE GONNA wear you out him. And as Max said that when you didn't cease chimneys punches it's not just the Shia role. Paula is the technique and the setup tax makes so at the World Level Assessment. Pathum of this before we move onto the second topic. Just relay my one and only boxing story so was a Jim Evans. Back Garden Sparring. Which is really on when. I say sparring. I put my hands off and let someone tee off of me because I'm useless and I but I was doing it properly and it would pros in the gym. And they're really good. Let me move around with them. But it was a guy and I never thought that his name and one thing about him was he he had a Ashida Junkin there. You'll be fine and if you're not find you will have learned something and these going. I can just vouch for what you said. You know. I've said it before. But you know when you go on a ball freeman you pull the cord. And sometimes it's slips and the lights go on for split-second an organ. I got hit with show I think but it was like someone pulled the cord in my bathroom and at the end of the round was your K. And I said Yeah what happened. And he said he hit you with a massive right hand that must have been like the lights going on first Split Second. He said you never lose. You just stood up upright as if someone had just electric and that's the only relation. I can put what you just said. A high level is like someone slipping on the on the bathroom light and the lights go on and offers a split second. My brother got hit so houses and I'm mature. I have to stop trying to push the razor blades through starting your when you question. Martine long question if he felt that he was okay. We should insert a disclaiming embarrassed. Nobody should brush their teeth with a razor blade. Without proper supervision often referred to as the key to boxing success a good job. The fundamentals is all list of fighters who agreed everything off the job so had some great suggestions. This minutes. Louis Floyd Mayweather Junior Sonny. Liston Kuti Vladimir Larry Holmes Thomas hearns. Sugar Ray Robinson Joe Louis Joe Gans Benny Leonard Marvin Hagler Mike. Tyson Kennedy gluskin so some soup occasions of a good Chin on a good job berry They say a right hand takes you around the block. A JAB takes you around. The world is as important as like say I think. It is one of the first punches or the first united as an amateur. And that's all that it unlocks the key to everything you could see a distance. Arrange Almost every combination. You could think of at depend the most fun. You Attic abused a range finder or can use a weapon to push people back because some big heavyweights did this more than just one job some of the eighties. Heavy USA JAB to the chest Balance someone like Donald Cutty by not mentioned one of the best jobs around. It was fast rapid like someone like Ali would Jews that job so he could move us. She could move on to the target weapon that keeping busy while he was moving around to guessing space to do some work. So I think it's it's one of the most important weapons you can find Mike with everything the farage's said there you'll find anybody in the world that would disagree with that. Why is it that so many voted in and fight and neglect the job? Maybe get to accelerate the they start loading up looking for our shots. Perhaps but it's it's it is the most important points and generally most google. Translate the job going for skate. You Distance. Get your job grown. Because you can't hitting with the job you're probably not gonna hit with a right hand or getting the job go bust as Barry Riley said Established a distant. Find Your rain when you throw the job. Obviously you could get counted over the top but generally speaking you know it's the site response to throw without without getting couch. You know you throw the right hand you. The committee can make a lot of mistakes. But if you're going first boxes all about rhythms as well if you get your job going everything will flow that you know. The right hand comes the left. Oh comes the body shuts. Everything comes after the job. That really does start everything off. So I think while you're trying to settle in California. It's important that he was stabbed job. Find Your Ryan funded distance but the remaining variations of the Javelin. You mentioned so many great job as people with quite jobs. Ob as Larry Famous Again Pistolet Jab. Brilliant job not only was he finding these days he pushed you. What would that job? You Know Canonica love again. A Great Job. Everything came up. He's Javi hoped they really. It wasn't just a point score arranged finding enough can tell you this plus a boost you up with that job you know. It was a Ramrod Jab to think we've mentioned another guy who wasn't on that list and I. He had one of the best jobs in boxing. Again he was. It was a ramrod. Jabbie literally buschschulte with that job and that was winky Roy from that. He's defense had some high tech that center of the ring and he would just like a piece just all night long you. What would that sound job you spoke about Larry Holmes there and I know you talked about Mike Tyson and Holyfield and stuff like that. When Larry Holmes came in to score studios to film the Ringside special needs to in the UK tool some of it was cameras of it was off camera. I think Johnny asking how from an a jab and he stood up and he was showing us how to throw this jam and he was so showed it to Anthony Joshua the following night when he came. Joshua that you'll you I'm not re- came down and just did a very brief punditry. He through this job a no word of Eloy. It was absolutely raise a shot even now and you can you can see how in prime it must have been won an absolute brew a weapon but to is amazing. It hadn't left him that it was interesting training kings resting to suit and he flooring. Jabal on just that is a truly petrifying To see him doing it. That job meant that he could box way. Beyond the issues that Jab kept imagine say. I don't think that's the difference with jobs like McClellan's look Great Elliptical Melissa world champion around late he even real toll six but will melt away. It's not job. Use it so well that it kept his distance Tommy hearns and job. We come forward. He made sure that you will always at the end of that job for two long Tan and Mike Tyson. One of the best jobs around people forget that used the body the head movement that they used a job to knock your balance and USA punch up with it. Had jumped to defend against my. Can you get to the very talk without a good job is probably pretty rare to think of someone? But I'm just wondering could afford to have a brilliant around package but the worst Paul via someone that did always neglect the job. You know some people that physiques that that that physical assets Don't necessarily Put them in a position where the job he's GonNa be the most useful punch for the still needed job. Though they're still got a JAB. Evening is just the Solta to the something to think about as he's trying to come in and close the distance you know. Ricky Hatton was a cookbook by that. Tried to sit and slide getting solid you. And he was great at me distancing. Sleep your jobs right that this by slackening woods and then he can't with his own or with the screw shot which was a horny pushing his books. He still had great traditions and he was good at range and it was white was working off your jets to try and slip inside it. Joe Frazier wasn't really someone with site had a great job but he was great head movement to work off your job. You'd be the one he white to kind of look to the base. Let's ain't sip inside the Komo under. Didn't saw and that's when he'd go to he was more of a hooker going to head of body particularly famous. These left know the raw examples. Joe Frazier isn't the only one the raw of fires down the as the top level become world trump. I'm were gripes. That you wouldn't necessarily say that the job was a key feature that they were. It wasn't didn't really suit that stall more inside because really a Joe Frazier. Just just one. That comes to mind. But you're not really. I don't think we will ever see Joe Frazier getting on the back foot and Japanese White. Victory you celebrate. Far Shabazz senior is an example of that as well as stiffest all the phrase. A guy who you can't when you think back of these cameras remember him throwing a job but he did it. Just the other would that he did was so much better. Amal I please in that you forget about job that was closing the range but it was another would stick and they combined with a hook or the right hand over the taw rather than Job So it can be done. But I think you'll find to history that the majority of fight is you would go onto win. Things do used left. Hand the right time. Digits to staff everything off unable to Charleston Lennox Lewis in the flesh. But ABC's starting all this stuff there and of Renown is having a Brilliant Jab Wladimir Klitschko as well see him working behind closed doors drilling the job for hours and hours and hours and you can see why it was such a weapon it lends itself to the heavyweights not not just the heavyweights pract. We take more notice of the heavyweights youtube. But for me. I think you got you save. You'll pay Pedro's at HOOPLA quicken title title use a Toll Federate and use jab by with being told on was bandage or you can be though you big time and if you have really good job. Pedroza dates and good footwork with that. That job is a nightmare the Latin. I'm like all box. You got a guy who has especially as much. It's going to go job you all the time. Money hurt you for strikes. You makes you tense. Get you angry and get your rhythm and then a classify them. We'll go to work. You mentioned it might in. Your discussion was triple j the best job that you have faced Probably Yeah I think. So he He was accurate with the timing was very good. Didn't waste it but it was. It was hard. It wasn't just a flick job wasn't just trying to sneak and bright distance. He was you know he was white and he was probably shouldn't that when he told you bang with it and I remember thinking you know or ass job I can live with that but I don't a gate with a hoke. If that's his job makes now we can damage with the job. Yeah it really outside. The had the best job definitely embarrassed. Same question to you. Was there anyone in your career where you identified like that is just a brilliant job. Nokia Japanese had I take with a left-handed who really hurts and they never right. Time was very disappointed. Not A job. Going to be honest I never never really did. Member boxes at Amazon Boxer Ukrainian in European junior final. And I couldn't get passage jabeen and it wasn't fast. It was just the timing was exceptional so every time I moved my face. I don't love Kuenssberg. Bulkin job wasn't fast but he was. He's timing was good. They just bang. You're gone and you're trying different angles. I you try a New York. You'll try to kick off faster reopen because your praise if he'd beaten to the Ma you're thinking he's faster that's all it is so you have to speed debate. You're still getting colds. And you think all star and also some people some people going to tell so that the move from Ireland your chain before it goes out and you can read sometimes others. They'll they'll just they'll transfer from the way straight away from the hips until now shoulder and they won't hand will move. You can't read this and that it difficult to come up against now jabs going. I was maybe the best or the worst bunch of the People Fox. That's quite nice because that brings his own to all final topic. Barry and let's see which way you're going to go with this. But it's a fantasy fighters section so basically. The rules are in every white category. You can only pick one fighter for many generation and you can't use a fight twice at the end of it. We'll have a scar spills fancy team lineup of one fire in every white division. Unfortunately we've been picking. Our flights are been using our top three in a twitter. Poll and basically. That's just send everybody into meltdown. People losing their minds lot eric messages flying around. So we'll see how this one goes but Last week by the Super Wells awaits and another runaway Weena with all top choice. Thomas hearns receiving seventy nine percent of the vote nor second pick Mike McCallum got seven percent. Winky Wright got ten percent. Terry Norris bringing the ray four percent. Barry this is your debut so we thought that we would go as a go super featherweights. Just you can. You can choose yourself Johnny Nelson himself in the top three cruiserweight. Time and twits broke. It went mad. I was listening to it at the time me. I was thinking him on care. I was like yeah. You should definitely put yourself in the expensive David. Hey I just for myself in the top three in Britain on the world I think relieve relieve. You said you're the best of the rest. So you've got co in. I'm the best show agreed them out so kid chocolate Ben. Bill flew Julio Cesar Chavez Genaro Hernandez Brian Mitchell flesh a lodi manny Pacquiao Zuma Nelson Alexis Arguello. Young Floyd Mayweather. Junior is obviously johnny Sunday. Henry Armstrong Sandy said Saddler Kuniaki Shibata and Alfred escalator. Now there are ostriches next to two of those names. Henry Armstrong who have is that means that we have already picked them in other white categories so cannot use them in this first off. Is there anybody? That wasn't in that list that we think should be in the general discussion. Before we get into your toll-free he's too. I'm not saying that couldn't be beat me. This was pretty good. I think he's never know celebrity. Champion with nine. Knockouts also Pat Uniform Edge Valero was twenty seven to no but I think he was like twenty five and twenty five knockouts as I think at any level last pretty impressive their money if he was mentioned yes he was in the list. Yeah hockey is a tricky. Because where you put in the big names that people will remember. Welterweight GLOMMA. Body work at a super featherweight. Everett Morales Yoga Solace. Laura Marquez is three hole of famous in Super Featherweight. So our work. It's federally underused light welterweight and rightly so ABC good boxes in in the poetry and rocky lockridge and also mayweather uncle as well. Roger arrested soul. So he'll eat box really quality to it's sometimes you put your? You're you're ban on the money all that she's going to put Marquez on out in this division in the super featherweights because I think you know even though that big budget a while I think are the best a super the whites and that's the whole debate man. That's that's really what we want to Patio only had tried to do the math. And I think it's eight fights at super some super flights you know and you could. The argument is where will the goal is best which White Division? So if you think you should put them in this argument certainly should be dead. Best wins at this weight. Even they might be better than someone you pick. In the history of the sports all time greats of weights. They might be better. The guys this Zama Guinea Sense. It makes sense to me of course but it works both ways. And that's why we've been running into trouble to be honest. I mean this thing and and you because you've been wrong when I meet my microphone and relax. Go and have a of of Chris. Where by judicial coups in meltdowns difficult? It's not it's not easy but that is why we we say a top three so in reverse order. I think that we're going to have to stand here. Number one is going to be now. You know I I do think the number one gonNa say who I think is why I think it will be the same in both in both arguments. I don't think so I I honestly I don't think so. I don't think I'm not saying I'm going around but I think I think we're GonNa be with difference going forward and let let's hear your top three in reverse order. We can tell you why you're wrong. Okay my third Zuma Nelson young steadily Dennis Nominal relish twice with Jesse James. The HATA THE JEFF vinik immigrant. Adroit got win again after that in that era which is phenomenal winds Looked just totally unstoppable without a me number two do pick for Mayweather. I think even though again he got bigger named the weights. I just for me. A super featherweight lethal. I really think I think had on who was in the shelf in south of the I'm free. Just go diego. Corrales giant of of a super featherweight. Carlson on this is rather hazy chevrolets and the wind moves it blitz. Them All will he beat Genera? Unders hadn't even been appropriate two years. Who He just just on the two years and then this is only loss. One fights that point. I think that was against us to federal phenomenal number. One is Alexis Arguello. I just think he was phenomenal so again. Our standard number one is or the Walt Disney. Well only because I knew that you would go. Fool Floyd at one but it was cool headaches because he was good at different weights. And that's the problem. I think I think the featherweight in general if you've got some fantastic fighters in that division but it's so being like a stopgap to move up a move at preparewithgcn featherweights at the end. Nba Career. So I think that's fantastic. Great isn't it's but some of those fines day To the fights outside of that way division could. Chaka's another one that we use the Superintendent Bowl I think that's where I think this division was a little bit tricky for me I can. What did you make? All those picks. Is Your list any difference yet it is. I've got my whether in a Milan got Marquez. A two pack your three lable. Pacak has one's GonNa cause a they were they were nipping soak fights and preferred Marquez for this packet. Really there's not between the semi see. I think I just think that super-feather for Mac has it was only a wheel likes getting To other then he was lightly. Let a definitely could have thrown Zuma Nelson. That'll march fourth one. You know the main POC. Yeah definitely I wouldn't. Even though I've set up the puck out written like the last to be honest work super-feather was was special. So are we going with the Paco Nelson? Now or we're GONNA throw Agua when they're this little too. You can go three this year we can. We can liberal friends. We get to the bomber lumberjack with mayweather. Having the fact I think I think that's all position number three then because I think the fact that Floyd is in your both of your top twos. The problem becomes arguello you because you've made such convincing argument for him burying the thinking man's Loria. He's in he's in so. I'm not switched my one and two around with makes everyone happy. Let's let's get the top three and then we'll we'll order them. Both injury established tonight. We're arguing between mark has pack out and Nelson yet. But I think that think that Marcus was used in our our ornaments. All I would always nudge towards dog in out between Zuma Nelson. Yeah and I also think featherweight I think is probably is not as great as he was the rates bugs above be on wiping unify the likely division. So if anything you can put him in a complicated log by going to have GONNA turn out with a rebuttal. Giron as Luddites. Much Wind Book Holiday for the lightweight weeks supermiddleweight. Week is not going to be an easy want. Even though Roy Jones is gonNA be down the doors but you get. Let's come off couch and it's got well if you don't you start getting deleted WHATSAPP messages from the from the heavyweight champion of the world at free. Im and you get newspaper columns talking about you. So he's a new Nelson fifteen world fights but the thing and this. This is the podcast every week. The center in the past. And you make great case. Y'All you'll know your. Boxing is bad for me. But when you when you when you talk at you or the Matthew just want to be here so when you say about fifteen we'll talk. They win the super featherweight. So take away what he did at featherweight which was phenomenal. And it's just where the only body work at this place. That's where that's MAC is making because just super-feather doesn't put him in that conversation to me. That's why maybe you could pack out of Nelson and I would. I deal even though I didn't do it. I use that. Because he's body work together all the weights just at that rate though was was pretty impressive. Just Maradas Redland as you guys you do you get that. Wait EP with a real top fighters about this. Then we'll if we were if we extended Poe for this week to four guys and we include resume. Now snap pack. Yeah but I made you agree on an order. Now I just feel bad proven Nelson. I seem to get edged out. She wanted is now again. You're wondering what people are. GonNa think when you go and say the opposite. Say the same about the Max. Lauded what they leave him out. This is the case for. I'm I'm telling you not employed my whether is number one. Barry's put a good strong arguments. Have ugly too so now we just. We just need to find out this number three. Let's go pack. Yeah I'm not through that crack Park Nelson Anyway. So the fact that he was he was liking a happy. Go with us. Floyd one Gueo to hockey. How Three Honorable Mention Honorable Mentions Zuma Nelson? Now don't do how many you got like fifty dollars a sixty new pray outside the wedding. So what makes me feel bad so I have like a Bible of boxing? I always open at this time of the week and every time I a page folded on all and the picture is him sitting on the floor. Being counted against our prior the ninety three much at have gone snap page probably three times now. He's still he's not one of the thing. I'm GonNa shut the book because it makes me feel bad before is going through so many wait. All it's miss is sometimes happen to not a room going to the to a particular weight isn't it? That's the problem lies. If you've listened tool of as a regret ever star in this game and the sooner lockdown lifts and we can talk about real boxing news and we don't have to do the best time while not thinking about the bat for everyone if you have the job after this. 'cause assembly Disgusted David how you put me still listen to the cruise. Why episode That's my saving grace before I let you both go this week is mental health awareness. Week and other not review saw an interview with Tyson fury that we conducted and yesterday but it went out online and it was just superb. A do think is worth just tipping their hat Minds to the way the so openly talks about his own battles these mental health and just how inspiring his To Listen To and also so reassuring. I think there are lot professional spokesman Phil. I can't speak and I do think they're awesome professional boxes. You probably think it's a sign of weakness to speak about it. But fury just says an sums it up perfectly if he reviewed have an opinion on that he's been a revelation since he saw an alcohol. Some help and come back coming back just able to come back. Em Comeback as a as a boxing comeback as a fat person and so just opening what he wants in public within. I think that that was being itself. I think all of these things mental health. So we'll be a tough guy in show. I don't have a problem with that. Bothers me this. There's no shame in saying this and I'm an I'm the prescient struggling and you'd be surprised if you want to help you. I think if the heavyweights the number one heavyweight on the planet and say listen I I felt I have problems. I'm not always the best I need help in. Can't we all ask for help? I mean it. He's been brilliant. Tyson fury back from where he in combat from. That's that's the real strength and the definitely most of particularly retired ones in even though the sports paper just people in general have had their own battles A mental health emotional wellbeing. Your emotion how you failed but you fail affects what you think what you think affects how you failing if you in a negative cycle and thinking negative thoughts and you're GonNa fail by feel by everything bad so it's is trying to break out of that the whole we can. Some people can put themselves into. And it's managing your diet keeping it manageable. Taking things one day at a time though. Don't look too far into the future trying to manage your whole life. You know in your head because it's important to look ahead set goals and different things but none. There's no point looking further than you can say it's just keeping things manageable and you know it's fair. It's all those fears when we think he needs to much probably living in fair price. You know you the seven deadly sins probably is probably the worst of all of them. It's full of fear isn't it and self esteem and you gotta be gotta be careful. We probably it it's it's it's very very Very very fade vice emotion. I'm with fair. That's when the mental health starts to deteriorate so we'll talk Brilliant from whites come back from a rail inspiration on as he says in one day on. Wall said both E. Yeah if you haven't seen any of toss appears in few you can go on Scott WHO's in twitter? I think is I think the holdings of will be on Youtube and you can catch someone on the boxing show on Friday which is normal time. Two o'clock have a listen. It's Stuff if you have to trust yourself especially during lockdown toss infuriates some very wise words. It's well worth listening to Fu this week Barry. Great to have you back on a know before we started the recording. You're talking about been hung dual so you could hear some creek in the background. Some reason hung the down the Waldo. What IS REMEMBER? I hang ago small. I WanNa challenge on his challenge. A Ma going well during lockdown. Before before you go on good just like saying taking one day at a time. Let's see where we got. It is what it is but we're rolling same boat. I'm just looking forward to getting back to normal billion well great to have you back on again this week. Matt Great Job on as well. Thank you for listening. That is everything for this week. Remember to write a Song Tunes. More importantly limit to wash your hands. Stay indoors all either government guidelines. Thanks very anti and most of all to you for listening catching next week.

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Macklin & Jones discuss AJ v Fury deal & legendary left hooks

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Macklin & Jones discuss AJ v Fury deal & legendary left hooks

"Hi This is David Diamante, and you're listening to the TOE podcast podcast. Hello and welcome to this week. Tradition of ringside tides tug boxing cost exclusive discuss sports. I'm Andy Scott. Nice to drag Matthew. macklin and Jerry Jones of the cues for prime arc to pair on this which. Matt's yet. For Social Distance Barbecue. I'll have to sale no more to stay. We all still recording via conference website pieces of West, so he's on disclaimer about the sound quality. And hopefully not too long now at the end of the tunnel Let's get straight into it. Lots of news loads news this week. Eddie Hon pretty much a full for all of that. Anthony your shirt and Tyson fury have agreed tons I'm doing that thing from friends with the inverted commas agreed terms on a to do so he's Eddie. hearn said last week. The plan moving forward the big five. Everybody's Talkin about which is anti Josh Against Awesome Fury. Progress still to overcome. Oversee venues as well a- deitz that we have the diamant mandatory, which full that fought as well, but we spent decided by is running now, regarding the financial terms of for that and we've given them. The insurance is tremendous Yorkshire. Aside the all the details that we discussed in terms of the structure of the deal is approved from outside and east from Johnson theories as well so I think we're in a good place. You know I think he's fantasize. In principle of guys have agreed to that. To fights, but of course a lot drive in the meantime with today mandatory details on the group cost situation as well, but we're moving in the right direction, and I'm very confident now that I've guys. They've given that blessing for that fought together ahead might make time some. You'll be proud of personally, but these would be surely the greatest you've might. Jinx it I, mean we. Mont sites might because until I step in the ring until the extra on the contract than we want. Know for sure I'm really confident. Unlock aside when you want you gauge position where you're right sites, the other saying look. This is how the deal structure work, so you have. Yes, we all let us proceed wearing a good price, and this is the biggest. The biggest is the biggest fire ever in British folks is to British heavyweight world champions. Fighting for the undisputed heavyweight world championship, so it doesn't get any bigger and and they will never be big. On thing probably now, generation to be quite honest with you. and. You go to guys. You know very different I've come back from adversity wants Digel the other. Thing he's got. Everything is everything. I, think is what we need a time him in Spol- where we need to bounce back. We need to come back major events and everyone sadist, two thousand and twenty one I think it gives everybody a shot in the arms that we working towards this. We're trying to deliver this oil and I believe we might think right progress to do that so that kind of the incident last week, guys! If everything goes to plan again I'll do the inverted commas goes to plan. We could see Joe Suren Fury, sharing in summer, twenty, twenty, one but Barry. Won't to a with you'll. The good news is out there. Don't want to be the voice of doom bought. There's very very different agreeing and could happen and should happen agreed. Terms is a bit of a loose phrase, isn't it across? It is an all movement paths and things to happen before at in the ball rolling. Let's the the fact that they're talking is an encouraging sign ineffectively in principle. Leave a greeter. Deal which I would guess for the most patches, is the sticking point any big fighters who gets the biggest piece of the pricing? That's the good thing about social media, the Internet and things like that I think that some of these. Things are more transparent than people would like in in the industry, but that also may be. A huge fights, and maybe it's being pushed to the front because the social media, but also because of the the covid nineteen them and. There's a lack of phrasing cricket in the summer. If you want to Righty, stick three stumps in the ground. There's something on shoulder like a boxing devil. Saying that now we've got this agreed. Something terrible is going to happen like police gonNA. Win or walled is going to be Fiorito goes away the other as like a will favoring these two is the one we would say the soon as we have to. We want to see something you gets in the white. Absolute like and I understand exactly where you're coming from, it is good news. The grades fifty fifty split down the middle that was the sticking point. white back with Joshua was for Waldo. Joshua was the the marquee name. He was the cash cow a and basically there's a good affable. He's not going to be fifty fifty bucks. chucky cheese at the ruis fought SHOSHA ECON plant sue far. Eddie boxy because you get. Do you know Y-? You set yourself up front all noise you Foale and a? It's great that both guys have. Got, to the point where all star both lads book both teams are the the people the businessmen the promote etc. realize it's a fifty fifty split and Oprah Book. It's a fifty fifty split down the middle when I in politics getting away of these. Books. In. Catalysts I'm sure yeah big air! Bags what you said about trump's book. Both guys have got mandatory fighting between the wild trilogy, which also fury, and of course to love against Joshua now. We don't expect who left to be Joshua. Put Pool of the thesis. Peak heavyweight nobody expected and the release to be Joshua. Boxing happens. You know downside while to go into that Rabe. Much everyone was saying. Oh, you know. Look is so destructive accommodate. He's fought against them. The Brazil and Lucile OTC just look I mean he's got these damn stay. In one point power, he has lost that power, but of course ties the jury way back up, and so he's took the wife rubbing. You'd have to make him a massive paver. These still too dangerous fights. I was going to say. Which of those two worries you the most. Is it the comeback of wilder out of nowhere? I think we've all written off. Even if you don't want to admit, I, think it back deep to your conscience. You might say we'll. We'll think theory fating twice, or is it who live who you know, good call a amateur. Very dangerous showed law on Folk Licko keep getting off the floor until out into the canvas is probably bit between. He's take because he's been waiting in line. Which of those two worries you the most those fights? While did is always dangerous. You know he hasn't lost power he never had. We had the game plan. Just goes up your out, but few takeaways confidence not backed him up and I. think that might affect a food fight. Again when you can punch like that. Heavyweights anyway, but when you go to Apollo, he has in just close his eyes and spend the shots fight. So that's a risk, but I do tend to think maybe. Fight store think it's a good fight. The Joshua pull maybe just over the top of the hill in respect to peaking. These have to wait on the shelf. Look to long. Maybe but he still good operator and just think for me. Josh upstairs out one more confidence building fight I. Think after the Ibrox well in the rematch and tactical good. In needs to get back to the old Joshua. If you're going to see a Josh you're wherever talkin about. OBITA given fury of really good fights Josh beat Rees, who who boxed perfect at match, that Georgia will be fury. He has taken them all ideal. Josh show where he thinks he walks walls so I probably say fight that I'd be more worried about probably be Joshua Things Linger in the background Paco, vowel Kosovo the WBO tweet outlet broke everybody's heart, which was along the lines of great. Grand Slam unification, but I think the mandatory should come. Mandatory I which gave me books with was like a joke. not to take anything away for Musette, because we will not say, but the elephant in the room is dealing Wi- WBZ is now taking legal action against the BBC to get his short mouth with me. That thinks you can't really blame deleon foot for standing his ground. General I think the problem is I think if deleon radish up on that which he absolutely should have had then you know this would be a conversation or even just got into the mandatory position a few months ago. I think he'd see sense, and it would be more beneficial to him to fight the undisputed champion. I think he'd be patient or white. Talk about the problem is that is big mess the bout so. And he there in that position for so long I don't think he's just adding up to his neck and he wants shot nowadays, that means he's gotta go down the legal route so be. It's a shame if that happens in Split, so one of the ballots in the ends for the Vikings we'll talk about possibly elevates a franchise just just getting prophetic again. Yeah. I'm glad you said. You speak first boxing fan system desire for one champion. Don't ever been stronger now. We've always wanted that Bob just as you get one step away. He look at the top. There's another flight status. That night. The much himself in trouble Let's a roundup the other news did you see the top rank? Show the combat show that under the to the first one with Chicago Stevenson quite surreal in strange now. ATMOSPHERE THEM LOOK I don't WanNa. Be Too critical because they with a Paul finders they. They took a gamble and put shows on. Say We will see here in Chris Chicago Stevenson was moving one level above he's opponent 'em. Did you see Barry? I. Did Jess and well? I notice? Was it was a mismatch for this? Be honest like this crowds to financial. Financially package wanted to get a big name. He could get to the the least among many that obviously meant they couldn't afford a level opponents, and also do they want a massive massive world title fights in an empty arena right now I'd probably not what he did. Not The Batman in the strong and big massive. Ineligible to fathom it wasn't that yet. We still talk to. You looked so much stronger. I think maybe might stay up at that way to be honest. Because he looked, he looked bulkier, and he looked level, but he was holding his feet, and he was comfortable, pushing back in, and I'll tell you look good, but obviously on against much, and because of the and the lack of atmospheres well sometimes when there's a mismatch if there's a if there's a crowd screaming of this been about atmosphere, wrong, junior forgets or Paul. The fight is a time when there's no crowd. You only see what you see in the ring so. It wasn't the greatest things for boxing to comeback with, but it was a step in the. Walter knows what they have to do. I think. Maybe it might be some changes of opponents of the promoters will put on shows, and they all t on especially with no atmosphere yesterday. Children's good for people in its own watch. Top ranks defense. They'll see really really hamstrung with The travel bans are in place so walsum hundred percent agree that the pool of opponents that they had these. Trunks on what because I can only pick from certain areas that catch me fly in and. They have done to shows I. Think Matt Ryan the Follow Up. Show had a couple of bomb burn. Look as good to have it back at talking. Having boxing match, remiss slides, who announced couple of flights Jordan Gil Against Reese Pelosi is confirmed for fight camp show, and just as we come on air at Terry Hawthorne Tasha Join US which is a huge. Domestic. A think with this the corona of the restriction of traveling etcetera of we're going to get some real good domestic clashes here at farts that you know, maybe not quite fifty fifty terabytes. From a from a TV point of view the fines, what you know a think that really really infra tray of saint someone of matches. You mentioned a couple of Ed. Jordan that's a good fight belie. Fights. A real high temp. He breeds hate George, Gill. You know good box, said noise smooth. You know got hurt. The buddy that time I think that's a good fight, and also at attached Joan is Terry Hoffa. You know another domestic well tall shuts off the I. Think we're GonNa be so really really good. Findlay said the next few weeks. Barry think this is your facebook post the of a bit too much on hands needed a wish list of flights domestically, which was sponsored actually, and I think we seventy five percent local hall of those we'd be absolutely over the moon and then. You had to apologize to steady at the right side. You didn't have a female fire on their us. Whereas if you did. If you did have one, it would be this one. To me. Teddy hyper when she won the world title as it happens, she was just fantastic. She was just tonight she was. Children Work and I thought she was just talking to me attached to Jonas as being a fantastic. This look good is thrown off which she's. She's trade so I think it's. It's a fighter, though it's happened to lose the Jonas shown in the past, especially in Chicago that she can rise the agents. I think it's really good fights and also. Again with the deal belotti fights. You almost forget. That's of which will be on the first ballot in it'll. It'll go off, so you? You'll forget is no crowd watching. It's these fight. You need that people will forget. Across data just be so focused on on almost happening in the ring on the action in the ring. I think that's important. Going forward until we can get people back in arenas is a brief folks from the two of you. That know fever if you've watched any of the German football. Or flight may just watch the drop of Ryan Rolling down the window. You so I, but they on some occasions have had fake crowd noise. To boost the TV experience. USA night chosen to go the other way and leave it very roar, and it's an empty arena you can he the punches? You can hear the fly as to which other would you if you're a TV executive? Would you put fake crowd noise on the boxing when it comes back? Would you be more interested does a fighting in hearing that blows line and everything that comes with it. He will get us ma. I haven't watched the football, so could could go, but they used to watch friends when they used to fight crowd laughing. I wasn't friends. Sites bringing it up. But Actually think I'd like to I. Did Watch saved bought. A can imagine what it's coming. We've all been there early on on showed up the car and there's been a cracker of six rounder the. Pretty brutal and I'll bet you could hear everything you sat. They say you can hear everything and nothing. It'd be interesting for fans that get that close to it without the signed being drowned out, but the crowd. You can actually hear the shots go, you can hear the wind seem from the body shots and other. That'd be a pretty graphic. What do you think Barry, would you? Would you be not? It'd be nice to give people the option. Luckily you can press the red button to to hear it or not. But what would you prefer I first of all you don't give people the option that puts mind mass jobs in jeopardy. If. Why would you WanNa, do you still you still? Have you still have color tree the way, but you would have fake crowd noise. Yeah, I probably would say no like like a mattress I remember. Laugh. I'm going to take a high, but my I xe patent to time. That's a fish. So she seemed box on TV and enjoyed it, but when she sat live, and here the wax when I was getting hit the when you hear it now, people that are talking go. Look great shuttle will come on. Get up when you hear that when you're close is not will testify. It's it's. It's frightening. Sometimes. It's horrible, isn't it? You just go even when you're not fighting. GO OFF! You take that you. Don't you just deserve that's. Not Different. Booth a while ago I heard him on the podcast at an interesting. Idea about 'cause in German football. They has cut healthy people doing the crowd on the first match I. Think Correct. Yes, yes, true, he said charity, or whatever that people could? Purchase ringside seats virtually, and have they cut out and have them on chairs ringside, so they see themselves on the TV and it would be like. The NHL Wrestle over avenue whatever would like and to. Have, a cross. Cut? Deal face you. I'm telling us. You're watching is home. To great idea, superb idea that's that. Yeah, and you think that was out on Bergdahl. Bring that up in our next. Workmate, and see if we can get to agree to go great audit of the definitely get well in that case in that case, it was my idea actually. Yeah, yeah! And it was for the. was. NHS's my middle name. I didn't mention. Okay well. Let's counteroffer generic topic of this week. It's a good one I. Think legendary left Hooks. He's suggestions from people in two or three describing facebook for the left Hooks Joe Frazier. All the I should rival gene Tyson seventies way not tackling, which was the clip that we put out to try and twenty people to listen. Told me Morrison Razor Ruddock Dairy Matthews Tommy coyle deviant Lucas Brown de la Hoya. Ve August two of David Isan. Bob The Dick Tiger Floyd Patterson Ingemar Johansson the second points. Henry Coupon Cassius clay any famous left. Hook missed off I'm sure there's a few in the Cullen Jones. To it was the, it was exactly the same round that he knocked. Okocha, lying in the first round nine, this time was beautiful. Left took real coming behind from punch again. Be One of the best is produced. Never WanNa we'll talk, but yeah. It was a fantastic one of the best at took us in the business calling Jones Wells yes definitely. Throw Ricky Hatton's against. Call US I was a rib there. That was a Patriot show. Left up to the body was one of the best letter only punches and Ricky's career. Who The you at Barry who threw at best so it's really a factual it's it's what you like A. It best in European who was the best that you like to watch an action thrown any Mexican. Pretty much I think they just have a natural rhythm to the mid eighty two for me. I probably would save the pushing with sugar. Ray Leonard is because he has so much speed whipping stuck because he's my favorite I'm grew up with. Him Than to watch it when he not go. Dave Boy Green for instance I left Jokin. A double it up, he could hit from body. The head dot combination. He was just an and it was just pout. Timing of the paceman debate was always awesome. He's my favorite man. Who did you like to see throw? He threw it best in your opinion. They survey Leonard. I believable leftover Barry's bang on the money that but you know Joe Frazier. My Joe Fry your other big. But had one vicious basis, leftover, head and body. That it was you was company that was these wasn't a sequel. That was wet foot. He was going to out and out left. Hooker Bob Wakes slide looking to get these left talk for it was what I mean the power that he had with him that that. Let's talk against Mohammad-ali Fifteenth Thrive. But probably the best leftover for. Be The most famous together because it is possibly the best is the bean. Winds have. It was it was in the last on that. He put it down the Nuxie. Got Up. To get heat sweep that left talk those fifteen round. To. Just get straight up. What a shame! conditioning for Mama Valet. Unbelievable wasn't I watched only a couple of days ago and also watch the chat show interview off to the flight where all the conceded that he wanted to let, frazier hinted to proves it couldn't hurt him, and you just think that plan. Although he did, he did lead. Rounds go boy I think. He wanted to prove a point any state in the corner. He must've the Fraser. He at some point like this is a good idea. especially with that Li like a lead left took. Like leftover from. And it wasn't that we because he didn't say that one. That was what that was probably why it was the one that dropped him. You know type leftovers. During the fog show. He was look. He's trying to get sick south then Joe Frazier Bang. He's kind of letting that Jack in the box where he'd been down and scribbled with it court. Bang on chairman. Alex breaks. And I think that's that's Tyson got that because they were short distance within the range. You think you're safe. But he dipped down. They built the distance, but each leap in always leads the floor when he when he landed with a leftover and I think that was so Tyson so close to speak before through it, I think he. He learned from phase the Sometimes people throw it almost effortless is there's no big windup is not the big. Koyo would release incomes. All three legs is just. Almost like lackadaisical left took the switches people off, and then you have the one that you posted on facebook. which was what we postie, the White Alexander which is mice like winding spring up Lennie go. Is that just natural power? Don't no. Way Not. Natural probably not compete blogs amateur like I, think he I think he might have twentieth knuckles on a Charleston is an. You, Stati has been eagle with the body shot that of tackle Luca punching South Wayne was winded. You can. See. The clip that you put outs. Social Media. He's got his tucked in because he'd been hit the shelves and then all of a sudden by yourself. That's a shot where you see a lot of people. Getting knocked out leaning, but left the body because they're overreaching that right hand, which normally be took on their chain comes down, and they're wide open accounts upstairs with let short left as exactly. What? Why exam? The court tackler with her emmy went for the Finnish Elaine left, took so bodies and came DOWN BANGED WHY NO EXAM! Just short the upstairs what devastating knockout that was unique for the food to get that body shot in. Because you do that. You have to take the right show. The package squares you up this name and obviously when you show them back, then you, you're right glove, which is on your chin, either go or behind the back of your head because you're trying to get some leverage on the shelves, so you say punches, conflict assaults is because you're vulnerable when you go in, and you go in for the finish. That's a lot is the candidate shocked the so committed to finish them off a symptoms they get caught as they go in and rancor punch with the hands anytime. You wanted to, and it was never more dangerous when he was hurt. I wonder how much of it is got to do with perhaps natural left handers books, the docks so some people right with left hand, but would box the docks I. Think Henry Cooper by Henry's Hamel. was you know one of the most according several I'm sure that he wrote left-handed i. wonder if that's something that if you took yet, Delahoya was fat. Yeah, if you took a stroll public people, that boxers looks but waxy left. That explained. What some such good focus! But I was writing then as an amateur, I, was dropping body shots. It was I honestly I really was is had to believe the when you see my pro career, and it wasn't the power, but I had the whip in my shots. Weren't you get confident with its? I was so confident when I hit to the party. I would almost away. Courageous do soak shortly. We're GONNA fall I knew he was a, they could get up. At the right angle and I knew I on the album new as it hits him, and he was a whipping shots, just a breath away because I saw when I left Okinawa, you might look club faces me, but the inside of the cliff faces me I. I thought we might Pam sideways rather than display album on my pants. Facing the floor is a different variation. The Hooks of course y'all. Got, my. Bike Somme could. You could do it the other way if they think I mentioned forty buddy mcgirt to teach you cut you out and throw it. NOCCO soil was with the laptop was a different shot that he was trying to change and didn't really fit. We may I couldn't. Could do but affecting the whole rhythm, but that wasn't. That wasn't a left Tokyo, but you. Do you see the AMAS game? You say he's throwing that. Let's talk where you know. The the palm would be facing the floor, the turned into knuckles over, but like Bahrain. Exactly, yeah, that's very interesting. I'm dim. Your wife is someone that is often crops up on those who are list watching the Joshua fight the other day. You just wonder what might have been if they again, but didn't want body punching. Something massively underrated. Something that we when we have these discussions. Tend to talk about heavyweight bodyworks. Heavyweight left hooks to the body other whether. It's because there's something more dramatic about electric to the heads and knockout, or if heavyweight sometimes. They'll get the credit for being good body punches I is that something in my head? I'm not sure no, they don't, is it? Because the finishes nine hundred ten come to come from head punches though in the heavyweights. You don't often see a heavyweight knockout to the body I think because they're so heavy handed. They look into the finish all she. That's you you do get happy heads. They call it if you WANNA. See a heavyweight. Dole really great body shots. I watched it today, actually Gerry Cooney versus wrong lyle and he hits him so hard to the body, so had not a whipping. At he hits him through the roof. Is. It's well worth a watch on new. It was just unbelievable. It's one of those punches that there are so many different variations of it Matt. You spoke about like the going forward with the left a jack in the box. As the is the perfect way to describe it throwing left going backwards, the counter left hook which is. Many donate is probably one of the best counter left hookers eat. awaits so many different variations, which probably makes you one of the most difficult punches to defend us phase, and there's no wrong wrong. You'll end up finding a way that works for you and. Take spoke of course for most people be absolutely textbook. You'll be variation just off that again. What works we mentioned about some Guy's throat wet, the palm vice them, so it's like you know horizontal other guys that palms facing the floor throw quite long. Enough for his left looks quite long Berry. Kinda loopy scoop. You know somebody's like Mike. Tyson was very short. These let's talk and he stiffen these body adrover Powerful from his from his face when agenda, you know really planning these free. Jack in a box, so it's it is different and again I just don't think. Thing whatever works for you? Okay, that's really interesting. So famous in great example guys and onto topic number two those crucial men with their bags of mystery, potions and tools, skilled, many glittery decide the course of his all list of cut conjurers Lewis Al Gavin. Who Calcio MIC Williamson Rayo? Sell Chuck Bodak Joe. Susa Stitch Duran Eddie the clots Eliana Dave Tenny Don fee bowed. Miguel Diaz Lenny Hayes Ralph Sit Troy Luigi self say Sid, Brownback and Tom Snare some great Italian American. Names F assurance from Latin. America names I. Matt used to mark quite heavily butter member you being a face mask with blood berry. We easily car or you didn't have many. I get black. If you missed me with a laptop in bed, I'd Knicks. To Nixon to my box freighters like being an elusive Chia Tattoos. They give the the Mexican gangsters I to those of is. Cool. Now I'm quite lucky. Made so, it wasn't too bad a bruce quite badly. was probably six or seven times a Reuben broncos. Quote by the over both allies, but not it wasn't something I would have been you know synonymous with. It wasn't renowned for being a bad leader for bruiser. Yeah, absolutely Ed Murray. Coming can be worth their weight in gold, so many flights is had their careers saved me Williamson. Probably the standout God from the UK or one of the standout goes. On of course because he no, he shaved Ricky Hatton's career. It seems. Every, if you on it because he's into cut ABC go ahead and you. Might Stop Him, from reaching his potential pro that's in the community and I can imagine I know what makes you could imagine like anyone's job is being very pragmatic and camp because you only have. Submit rest of not many arrested cuts gotta be thirty seconds really time he gets, and but Sunday gotta get up and get back into the next wrong so to be calm and a know what he's doing. Rush and also the fighting south of is not mind. A panic over this. I think he's a combination about what makes her a good team. And I think Williamson's at the had the trusted. And rightly so close. Some little fights snow because been A. A change. About for you had with Jonathan facts that I mean that was. courtly trip two. Seconds of thinking then as an authority on IV was the same brand with the next rat, so literally the whole twelve ground more or less for which to really puts a bad bad coats, both both right in the middle over both. Drip Dining Gerard Blair division Ricky was terrible. Eliana Williamson, as you said by Roy e Die so I think because he was in the corner of Ricky was such a high profile prospect, and obviously a very famous superstar champion Williams profile as a great quote smooth grew with it, so you know the back of I ever wanted to be Williams that. You'd go through that list there. That nickname speech durant. Thanks. Let's look at it, but movie isn't a speech. The Randy Imagine. Sixties, New York Black and white film. You know really yeah, but I mean Danny Milano goods cuts money to a lot of the. More corn on a full said you might say as a love. Cannon older finds I in America actually Danny. Milano was the could sky, and he easy police Malaysia easy eating a lot of a lot of those guys that Brooklyn Vice, Italian, American have. A GOOD Good good sky, actually out of New York cold. Thank you, George Mitchell. It was a big absolute rica for the KFC McConnell, but he was. A. JUMP DOT CO badly La- Coppola. Before your avoid campus? He was badly over. Probably follow always actually. That's a have surgery after it to take the Scottish book. He quite badly. I think. Insures Ninety George Mitchell but he could. Berry one of the move famous ones in recent years. AQAP member fewer there or if he did it from studio fury Wellin- hoagie Cap Petillo. Is there. The other. Way, you would rank that in terms of fad cots. It looked a terrible car on the. He saved Tyson Fury. He taught some theories. Not. With all adult he did. That would be violent with the coach stopped I. Tell You that much. Only because it was fury, the Calcutta News winning, and he was the guy who's all the big things. That's the best repoed potty thoughts. He's got his adult a guy who was losing with cut. They will be able to stop in and say another date, but yes. In the call has made a great joke because. You can't do nothing. But we're. GonNa Buddy at coats and A. Bad One where the corner made an absolute pigs ear rebate. Clips car gets Louise and the guy opens the coping was unbelievable. That is one of the most disgusting, and it was like of how people describe it like a duck. The topic thumb you could put your thumb in you. Imagine cuts astray, but that was like a hexagon and it was a mess. You're right. My I'm not gonNA say the guy made it any better or any worse than anything about being a customer e certainly didn't make it better. Put it that way. Quite a few cuts come off a wealth, so you know it's just. Ashwell option the skinny shocked unstressed revenue. If. They can see that, so they get the end on the Liddy. Assigned where it was reading Christner's. Some still cuts. Clash. Heads are real heavy shocked with with a stick. Stick's a patient rips offered. You can't do nothing to that. Other stuff when you start to get a wealth or bruise in do. Maintain nuts. It's a sign of a good where they know it can. The trouble ahead out again. That's all cash with experience much like a Lotta stuff in the corner, but I do. When you trade is one thing, but been able to do it like like a boxer or a good comment cut. It Up to do it in a short space of time, not the seconds whatever they have. All that pressure where you could be the difference between the guy going on as hall of Fame Career Opium Footnote on active. That's that takes a lot of lot edginess. Squeamish when it comes to cups, but there is the old one where I feel like luck, just a little bit more difficult to breathe, but I'll tell you now if anybody can match battle Jax cop against Marcus Brown. How? On Earth. How the cuts mind go in there. It was like a car crash. That's what it was like it was. Wasn't it was a neak it was. It was Harry Potter on steroids. It was mental it was. It was absolutely the Worst Cup a do. Remember another one as well doing the town cheaply before amateur who temper Mahmoud Miran. Maloney show Igwe the ring and. Been Rings on Seen It. This is when I was looking for Frank Maloney, now, cutting money as a teaboy, and he was livid, been stocks, and he turned to me, and he said he bad, and you could see the skull. That was the only other time I felt like a black dots that you say will come in a little bit close out. Yes, pretty bad one question for you, Matt. Some swelling. In swell when they really appoint heavily of always been curious, it doesn't hurt 'cause. It seems like a really trying to full. That mouse out of out of your life does he is a painful experience. Amazing it's not pleasant book. Your your your Adrenalin grain of merely miles an hour. You got other stuff on your. Get Out of that, so it's it's. It's a place that it's babble. View Bell goes to show. Via the Dante it's? It's got there for a reason. What did you do is a cuts man when Stephen Smith comes back to the corner with hanging off. The truly even training doesn't. Contain for anything, but that was one of the move. Freakish injuries the topic the topic wasn't worst. Injuries is Wisconsin but I. I would love I'd love to know what was going through Joe Gallagher and other than if it was make that night, but That's a panic situation, isn't it? I'll tell you about blah. Then he slept. Against the it was. Jones! You call them and there's no in school in the world that can help. Is there like Samho late that night endzone macaroni, Elliot's well similar injuries, but listening. Is Not said nevertheless, is head swollen so bad that? He has another hedged was assigned to me. That's what like. Joel head. A sexy but ridiculous when you. Barry not so much Uber Ma. If if you went back to the corner and you had an injury. Did you want to know how bad the was? Would you say how bad is it? Would you expect that you're always told the truth? Yeah made you. Know Really. As long as it's not A. Cook, so badly. Right was squirting out all over the place well the worst. What would have been group of that was the last round when he got five squared I. It will be. I never really had a bad bad cook. So I kind of I was trouble of the fog, beat up or anything I think I got caught and I knew it'd be because. The amendment that I think I remember combat to the corner. William, Center city bad, they said. It's okay you know so I. Think Candidate. I just didn't want to get the get stopped on a you know what I mean, so how do people become a costume? Because Mick Williamson Spike about music at length, but mix trade outside of that was a taxi driver on a thing did not necessarily. Or medics do you know how people become cops mental Y, they become coachman. Carry cases cuts novellas knee so as well as a trainer. So yes, I guess a lot of train themselves. I would imagine naturally stats. I would imagine re guest. Trainer and he was Delia cuts, and then he would learn how to deal with the experience and more FIS. He had all. You have to work with an may be whether he's is left. What he? He just was all look at him. Because he's the Milton cousin, it must be not Mr be NOCCO, don't think you go straight into its and as you have some medical background. But then why would you WanNa do it in the first place? Back in the day uneven now allow trainers do their coats, because no, you're. Not, really a lot of just want to start shutting out on your quinto every pays. Whatever other what he buys a book. You know so jerry the train. A-, a lot of time trying to will do the coats as well, but I think when they get bigger fights, and the pressure will run. They don't WanNa be saw track a cook and giving advice in the corner, and they just WANNA focused on. Being the chief secretary of being the corner, giving you advice that talk and they just want someone else that got to be. Get caught about site care of your Roy. Does kind of course that you have to go on or I suppose anyone in theory could be cooler cuts. Book generally probably already got to be involved in boxing some April fall. Before you become a quits, but. Finally, be evening cut so many times go along cuts one. No one knows more than me. Getting cuts because my face is scheduled face. You don't really see that. You Know Rick. Ricky Ricky chains by, but would he be the customers well with yet could Smith. An experienced epidemic williamson will carry case into helping. You think that he's been cut so often. He would probably have a of an inside knowledge of what it's like. I suppose even if he's not doing the cost. I think Tommy Philip fondue does the cuts that out for the Pfizer with Ricky. Ricky one thing that is a massive benefit. Is Ricky missing done it with the surf? He's GonNa fly a young. Fox is caught. At least he can reassure them from. The outside of the rights of you know throw worried about the COP Blah Blah Blah. I would say the cuts men in general for most of your career that. It's. Just an extra person in the column. And you've probably paying for nothing. But I would imagine that one time one time you need an explosive. The bill you have to pay for. Nothing, could you really do you know what I mean I think? That's the difference to you. Don't you don't need as ninety nine percent. This smokes like this time you need. You don't have them. As your could be a big difference between. A. And also how you Korea's? Quote by because it's not just such a saving for that. It's about you know doing the right thing, so you know it's not an unrepeatable damage after the that's involves. Removal. I'm sure Ricky had an operation to remove scar tissue because it was cutting from the inside out the skull tissue, so called on the inside the any impact would cutting from the inside out, so he had that removed from using years of Cots, just a real gruesome focused on. Why we shouldn't have expected any different because we're talking about custody is a bad way, make we? Should we should we move on? The worst case the hats which. Is Me and my brother before the football much messing round chatterbox in and we both class heads still. Time and I cut. Just. Immature my eyebrows. And he was so angry combat. that he wants the. You just cut me. You move away and. I had brother so thanks. Brother Steve thanks. Okay, so let's move on now for final section, which is a fancy fighters. competivity I think it. I think we'll be glad when we don't have to do this anymore. Look, we started, so we have to finish. Lots of social media hate last week. A have to say. It was absolutely brilliant of never been I've never been prouder of Johnny and Matt mccloud. At, but I have to say co fraud took it in such good taste. Let's hope that nobody shed the episode. rijo cows, aggie, but Joe will have been pleased by results of our poll where he finished on top. Five percent of the vote Barry How many times did you vote this Lobamba, come a blisters on my. Second was on number. One Pick, which is Roy Jones junior who got thirty, eight and Andre Ward, always a fans, favourite, unwisely fourteen percent, but in terms of some of the other polls that we had that was closer than most. So, we'll run out of white divisions, but we have not forgotten heavyweights this week, though going to go back down the whites to the bathroom whites, so if you like me been blowing the dust of the boxing encyclopedia on the show Annum, a few box wreck searches by his all list of greatest roosters, which is say one of the best nicknames Freddie Weight Division. So. We've got F- joffrey Terry. McGovern. MEMPHIS Powell more call US Cereti. Manuel Ortiz Orlando is all as Panama. Al Brown. Rueben Oliveira's Pete Herman chose Bob Taylor. Joe Lynch Sixto Escobar Job Fighting Harada. Johnny coup loan. Kit Williams. George Dixon Jeff Vinik and Lionel rose so Barry County I anybody missing from that list before you give us your top three. If we missed anybody out, that's GonNa Feature your list. Not My job three know when they asked him this pinch. Johnny Tapia because if you're gonNA go more recent. Jeff Jeff Panic, Finnick yet he's on once. You get past saw mid-eighties fighters of box getaways that it's had Canadian adulthood particularly good I think he's a fantastic. was told the some white. Yeah, believable fight! Them is one of the experts you'll see you knew see it on Youtube. The Forum I can seventy. Seventy seven a joke with. RUTTA versus Affonso Zamora's. It just goes easy or something like that and it was like to massive punches Zorkin about. Like sixty see Kale's Saturday wins. The Tummy finished his career and Zamora was a was a huge. Was The punch until he wins. You. The best price you can have a see. They were always added just. As know the bantamweight. Through so many punches, and they just never tire. So, but barry onto the dishes on my list and one of the things written down was the wbz in the wbz refused to sanction the flight, being the undisputed world. which when you read out, records just seems crazy. I'd love to know the context. Anyone knows cindy in, but yeah. I think you're right. I think it was called something like that as You tend to think you have to go right back in his speak to talk. And also this great stories. Zamora. Punch Olympic so badly finished his career? I think. Dunbar Tom uses is mid twenties and years later. You win the lottery in Mexico. Crazy you probably didn't independent oxygen? All those hats fights. Took career. One of the greatest. In twenty at least and then thinks you go nothing and everyone's luckily can edgy. joffrey was not one of the best not lead best. One of the best fighters. As honest so in a in a country, which really doesn't really produce any good cycles. Football's God's in Brazil everything soccer so. There's a there's a man that you're not just brought in. Skills could punch holes through walls and a steel. Only lost the one guy in twice and I was another old time grazing in Japanese fighting the rather. Long as these fighters in the League, and you go rhino rules. Another fighter losing all time greats. I think some fantastic names on the list. Come back to editor for it because he's got some really interesting stories. Anybody that we've missed out there that. Should be. Salani set say a good five. The probably bets are a white wasn't aimed superfly the answer, but he was bad so white champion and he was definitely. You know a recent Yay standing in the white division. Look you know you mentioned the Cannizzaro. Ruben Olivera is a course editor email before any of. You have to look at his stats and I think he's probably university regarded as the number one of a white. They tend to. Fight series one of the ones. The are love is Rafael Marquez Israel Vasquez on no, that was up at Super Bantam but Rafael Marquez is someone that's probably sneaks into top ten. Maybe ended. Your phrase from just wants comeback that they say. The editor had the greatest sporting comeback ever in boxing I. Know a long time, we think. George Forman coming back after years and become the heavyweight champion, but editor Joe Free. Came back a federal way of disappearing for a two year hiatus to come to weight world champion. Should we get onto the top threes? Then McCullough Walter Swire's while it wasn't super bowl sponsor. In Japan as well really at the Travel Ed Buffet and that must mean for. Because basically tells in Las Vegas in the William McCulloch. Really pushing it because you look all action, you here's the Olympics maladies, but you still travels Japanese fighters. When once have a champion back? They really do with their wallets. Who sits in your top three then Barry! In reverse ruled. Number three for me is Panama. Brown fight for Netanyahu on the flow once in one hundred and sixty eight fights, not just an outstanding fight us. The story of this guy seems a gay man back in the eighties. Of the products falls in love with I, think it was a right to. The massive never fair still was a phenomenal, quite ended died in New York skin like most is I'm afraid. He's just a fantastic Saudi, but gretchen could punch bowls walls as knowledgeable desalvo along the late for me, the asked to be known three for the longevity. This career nobody deals in an era. It was which was surrounded by fighting as well. And I think he was. When you think of Panama Boxing, only one nine that really stands out in the more near Truth Roberto, Duran, but apparently before that he was the most talented fighter to ever come out of Panama I'd also even though kid. Gavilan got ready so the the first credit throwing up all bunch I think Alberta you through seventy hours. Maybe sending similar, we might be in the Guy Really introduced shelf to us. Trailblazers, valley in every in every so. Yeah. Definitely Here's at number two. I found this had that's is Carlos Duarte Sixty knockouts in seventy wins? He was just a monster leaves a sixty five for lost some city like that. And, then of course, if you only number one. Said drugfree. It has to be me I, think he still I think he's one of the best. In of all time in any leads. Could. Punch ads all the skills he had longevity, and obviously no, not that great comeback had an English hi. Good, enough you still to beat everyone. Could walls after me. He's my number one by a standout to be honest My is you list a different. A little bit, but only because I've got to be on his. Way would be one of my struck whites I've gotta say even go up a pretty good usually go back through the years. A boxing historian find some white would be one of a week horizon. Maybe I'm saying these guys because there's one for Mayo Orlando Cannizzaro is number three. Ruben Olivera. joffrey number. One Ribbon Olivera is someone that probably could have gotten the best left hooks yeah. I gotta say. I gotta say to Berry. It's too late now is that we're twenty minutes down the road. People have switched off with my bloody ramblings Graham. And you brother ahead. Of. Some of that comes up with a comeback for so two days later. I to say. He was fantastic. Five match lights the Nike Bucks. pity Hattie over here and he was in the box news recently I remember watching it on TV. He lost. Near world champion in my mind. In the first vice that was one of those things where the one night and he had, he was a champion of the world in everyone's hottest except for three judges. Who Sits at number one in your list Matt so to Recap Orlando. Cannizzaro is three Ribbon Varas. To. Eric Uprise at one. Edda Jefferey at one so I I do waste breathe a sigh of relief when the two guests save number one, Barry, you call us. Arrests site number to Panama Three. Matt with diabetes of leverage if we could put Carlos SURATA. Number two yet. Though I'm going to walk you out happy. The reason any reason it's just He probably be the last. He. Felt threatened I. Did. Although it's not the easiest, but both of you deserve. A stiff drink could not having to do the super flyweight episode. I love Johnny with Jodi Nelson trying to let super-flyweight Johnny Nelson superfly. I know I don't know how we ended up on it, but Joni trying to pronounce Jiro what an all by. It just wasn't happening, so. About you call recall, it could play tig much about am whites. You think maybe weeded super welterweight during the two lights. Is that the one we? We did a fabulous. Human alcyone and you won't have an assault. You, you were wrong I'll tell. You if Is Scott Studio somebody's. Studio Ralph. Mass well. This week we'll let you decide okay so. Energy of definitely number one. Caller SURATA AT number two. Who would you feel about number three? Lavar is or will under Kanye's all is. Our Brown. Buried you WANNA stick with Panama Al Brown. I do yes, I, do I. Do that's okay? I feel like I'm mindful of Paula. Now. You've got to. Feel strongly about stick to it, or are they? Not sure WHO'S GONNA win poll? because. People don't vote for the right person. Necessarily they vote for the name that they most recognize that we interested to see if a whole free Joe Frank I. Keep Saying Hall. Nando editorial fray. It'd be interesting to see if he wins the vote on that. I think you. Don't get as many boats. The weights goes because they won't be named standout. Look up the ten Bengal each of all time, and then go a new look, similar fights, and especially in this loft on all you just time your life's gearboxes nuts. You're not the time you're like it systems. Some of the best. You can watch that those middleweights could. Well that brings us to the end of this week. Show so you. Can I just say one thing. Aku She can I. Was GonNa? Ask You if you want to say Happy Birthday Roberto's around sixty nine I think he is today. It very easy to skip over your own history. If you don't if it didn't go your way, I think he's birthday. He and his fate. Thomas hearns a separated only by twenty four hours or forty eight hours, and he tweeted our only sold the tweet yesterday, so if he if the anniversary was yesterday. tweet a lovely message about life SUV teaches. Lessons doesn't go how you think it will follow it. He's lost. Sir Thomas hearns and tweeted a picture of him face down on the canvas, and what was one of? My brutal knockouts I just do. All of the comments. Were you know how classy is that? The can use negatives to turn into a positive and learn life lessons of happy birthday. Roberto Duran. A tenth of his career I would just be hill canton back the my career, so that was good. He wants to just something special really. I know there's some people that athletically gifted and other boxing finds them rather than they find box in kind of thing, but I wonder if the ran if go bill someone that was suited for fighting in terms natural talent. He has to be up there. He's one of the best biggest punches one of the best jobs one of the best thinkers, one of the best body punches and one of the best defensive fighters using credit from sit pinches is typical, but the punches. Going forward is so hard like the way he. Just turns his head is just at that level is phenomenal. I've. Landed but I think if I was my age now, and they sit around. I think Japan would be man I think. He's one of the absolute pound for pound old shop grades. He would be most people top five pound for pound ever. I Mess I ran back ten years ago. Ease Massinissa dramatic, actually by the way the rams my size stock yet. He's my heart's midgets. Really and you see. East giant can believe he could make super middleweight middleweight. We cruiserweight and the thing that beat him. Ahead Robbie. Karan. Of attracted to the madness of flotsam sometimes, and he had that as well the chaos and carnage that followed him around is who poll of the story. Is the worst and the best board fought it for dramas and lunatics and crazy stories boxing. Just it really is it just you will never forget sport like it. Outside of the ring. Another podcast and undersell goes mount boxes in my era latch was different eras and the new era now and before this again with the worst, because like you talk about people just been normal lives. It's like. They did on the side, so it's just it's the stories you grow. Barry stuff. They're running out of time. That is oh for the show. It's flown by. Remember to us all I choose good or bad. We've got thick skin. Don't mind. Stay safe and still wash those hands. My thanks to Barry Answer mapped most of all to you. Guys from this thinks next week.

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Sebastian Fundora vs Nathaniel GallimoreLive Fight ChatUpset Alert

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Sebastian Fundora vs Nathaniel GallimoreLive Fight ChatUpset Alert

"Acids intended for mature audiences, the views and opinions expressed are those of the panelists and do not reflect in any way. Those are the podcast partners, sponsors or affiliates enjoy. This is Michael Buffer and you're listening to the voice of the people. Let's get ready. For Boxing Voice Say Daddy this adult. Dot. In production? Plug. Input, of vitamin. From. Florida. For fight. STRAIGHT DOWN OVER NO SPECIAL EFFECTS Dot Com packing together. Your delivered. It means. If. Part. You're fighting on arduous prom. King. Okay Tables. Have the end. Of. The, game. By Green. Worst Tom. Nathan Gallimore the dark horses in the ring. Let's see. Could he pull it off man I? Just leave me in another little parlay with Gallimore. See could he saved a day mountain due to dollar as so? I'm only down six bucks so maybe gallimore could save me here. good body work. Okay. Gallimore getting in on the inside. Definitely, a lot shorter than from Dora and. I mean, he's getting in Oh good right hand on the inside s right. Hit this. Do He never been? Oh, look at Gallimore with the back of his head painted red. In it's in the shape of a heart Oh. We got hit with a little left there from Dora. He's doing some work good up a COUPLA gallimore and he was looking for that right hand, right? Right Hook but damn. Door biggest-selling he grab back his neck Oh gallimore. Better. Not just duck his hair like they can. Never, uppercut lanes from from Duda right up under the middle. He's really working because gallon we're GONNA have to be careful for he gets down man. He's definitely putting the personal doing right from the door. And keeping them in the corner. Now, you just come on on good body, right? Stuck in your head so much. Good Body. Work going to inside. A little dogfight he holds it from Dora arm. He Megan a dogfight for foreign door for sure. From dosages let out a big X hails. So definitely pays get into 'em already. Gallimore man looked small competitive for endure de. Glad to cut that distance if you WANNA to make this. Oh, big over here. Right does nothing. And back on the inside. Each and just working. Skill being ugly fight guys. This is what Gallimore has to do. He cannot only outside of of doors punches he can't try to outbox when door he's got to cut this distance some way somehow. Yea Man now, Gallon Wani outside I guess he's trying to change the plan and from Doris tone. Some right Hooks Adam. Gala more doing the right thing by Jabbing FM doors. Lead Jab Han. Just, keeping him occupied looking at Dora from the outside clip them with a little left hook not much power wanted just a little grazing shot but. It looks like it's a lot harder to get on the inside on shoots right to the chest area. Oh Dora with a little flurry there. I mean, it's not easy to get past that Jab if you WANNA play this outside game with from Dora he's GonNa. Win Gal knows he's got to cut the distance and get on the inside no way he can do it from out there no way. such a tight round. Don't even know if gal did enough. He was the aggressive. You know he had. He had Dora's back against the road but. Did. He do enough to get the whole round out of no that's a pretty tough around man I mean from Dora, maybe landed a three points combination flurry. I duNno, it's tight round tight round. Tight round tower in the competition notable tall super welterweight S-. Tony Harrison six one Charles five eleven Thomas hearns six, one Mark Brian. Six to Sebastian foon Doda six you'll every every time they put him on TV he gets. Taller. He went from six, four, two, six, five, today he's six, six which one is it? Really. Alright. We're in the second round and gala more. He's looks like you're GonNa take that outside approach again. Shot the rain to the chest area but he's gotTa get inside of that Jab can't let door be picking you look at the legs of he's gotta be killing himself to make this week man he's so thin. But I guess he's not week right? Because gallimore tried that first round beat a bully and now he's trying to box. All right here we go on inside again he's trying to get some work. He's not going to get anything clean like that may should really try to set something up. This is going to take more energy from. Having to do this type of style Oh and he just got clip top bag it ahead by phone Dora, just because it high. If, he could come off the ropes and like he's stoned right with a lot of might off that rope if he. If he could, if he could clip from door, then that'd be a different story, but it's just I find it hard. To get super clean when from doors expecting you to work there. He needs set that up with the jazz. Good Good reply they're showing a nice shop left hook but it's that's what I'm saying it's one at a time gonNA need a lot more than that. Oh. FOON DUDE I Definitely you know that I help some lot man. More missed a few shots just because it high but gallimore working he's working on the inside man he's working on the inside and maybe. Maybe. Gallimore. Can Get consuegra judges get around here. With this sort of. Performance Lot of Orlando definitely a lot more going on. Oh. Nice right hand. And He. Clip. Gallimore but it's more. Clinton now in the center. You clip face. Yup. Oh you came in like ten thousand times the volume. Yeah, now, you normalized what up what? We're not man I'm. Man On. Got Your many look at the US. You see the US you act like mini before I know. Oh big left hand by from Dora has heads gala. Moore's head back out gallimore clip. Doom. Wow. Oh, he's Har-. He's he's all on a gallimore. Is Similar. To what you watch. You Watch him you China's trying to make you pick. Wasn't some mini. Many man you got that off bro Today with Congressman. Back and got the best tonight the data off with that Kale. If. Watson that John that was kind of heartbreaking to. What was heartbreaking Yo sure highlights of gala more destroy Rosario. was. Forty percent unified champ destroyed him in six. Three. Knockdowns. Gama looking dog shape. Remember you training that kind of? Problem is the game plan guys. It's it's not easy for him to cut that distance on the size, but look. At with another left Hook but they're all know look shots. He's got to put together more than just one man. Was the second round going on the third, right? Yeah. Yeah. That I was tight. But definitely second round gallimore round for. Vice. Champion Dry Safe Chan, were you wearing the city? Work. I'm cutting through going comedy super from Dora. Look level. All Nice right short hooked by phone Dura. Okay You know front door is. Thrown Orion riot hook to to to the to the body to now wants to all shit. Got Him about to get hurt and now got China China Hug. He don't want them leveraged uppercuts coming up the middle gotta stay on the inside. Got A smother toll man's arms. Smothering night and right now, he just got left uppercut from Hell right now. Here, we go. See I scrapes the guard with the right hand and then tries to throw it up the middle he starting to have success guys. Fun Dora loose on on Bra get more has got start guy. Yellowfin Dora turned into dog used the form and all dog man activated Gallimore get off the roads. Dog Mode? He's been activated. Oh. Wow Big. The hell was dead. He just skip them on the back foot. Left. Are Paying dividends right now on gala more what the Hell is in the back of his head. That's a heart he size them up. Oh Damn. He just eight one automatic law and another one. I didn't even see that automatic. Fedora from Dora body them Kumhal Gallup. When you got a six, five, eighty, five inch. Gal I really can't find anywhere of that body order that big due to land flush is all smothered work. Sounds good. I know is not easy but. It's you get in there and you looking at this tall broom coming at you with all respect now Mr Fedora. Story from Dorgan straight tee off shots man. I'M GONNA call him t of he just threw a nice riper hit. Doris. Shoulder Katie. We get his ED tolleys gallimore bouncing off the ropes man like all. Mary now, grabbing the ropes trying to pin them on there. Yeah Front like. He He's he's mastered the praying Mantis saw damn. DORA IS LACING O. Clock that little hard off his head. Shots to star in. Pay Is only the third round may come on. That's a lot of shots though. Yeah, that's a Lotta shot that. Tiger uppercut damn. He's hitting all of them Bro. Knows is going to happen now you may gala more looking like. He might not have been ready for this type of gas tank. It's too high paced and I just stepped in right but he supposed to be the dog hosing in he hit like he like. He hit like if it was by horse looking like the Pale, why to me The. musty and that that told duties Goodman fondue like on the inside I like is on incitement. To the short shots for that. All right. Very good shots when I did my research. He lucky. Let's go gallimore more at ain't over at said, and that's his over though he. Is from Georgia it ain't over gala Mola's go. I mean Gallimore is gonNA keep trying to wing shots but I don't see him doing all the way into like you know past the six he's sees in the ring around the Rosie, around the ring right now. Left uppercut again. Right hand hitter body. you seem them looking back and shit like hey. It doesn't know where it's coming from an industrial the we'd angles because the guys. So tolman but. It's very hard Oh. Nice. Once accommodate Fedora just he put in so many hands on gala, right? That's crazy. He's definitely Blanking blanketing him. Asthma and got it. Got Him more is not even bringing. Those level to hit them Oh my God to uppercut skill in my man gala right? You're to get a stoppage breath he not land got more breathe there's nowhere to go. Alamos trouble right now guys believe it or not. He's in trouble right now he's trying to hold on he's China conserve energy but he's getting zapped. He's getting zapped right now. Dow Dora must get tired because he just getting. Off Constantly Brosky, it doesn't look like he's getting tired I mean look. He must be used to this kind of output men and it surprisingly strong I mean I would have expected Gallimore to become. manhandling the the clinches. But. Right now it's forearm Dora Brooke. Not Doing in but stay. Blocking shots was wrong Talamo looks like he's walking the line taken body shots i. mean he's he's not doing too much shooting actors they're going to stop the Sakib. Right uppercut all right tries to pivot, but he ends up back on the ropes getting smashed. Bra. For Dora not giving him any space to breathe. And I don't even see Fundra getting tired because the type of work is doing is not too tiring for him. He's just getting you know got anymore but. Is emptying the tank either and how was Gallimore? Just what is he doing on his robes? All Tiger uppercut. You see in this. He's Just has so much success you would have thought by now you know. Laugh I told you that the only thing is like maybe the lack of PA. He. Nice. Oh man the party. Man. Oh. My God. UPPERCUTS BRA Help gallimore come on man looking crazy. A. Toll Dude on the inside is good. He's Louise. I mean look there's been surprised as the whole night man. I mean, really the biggest surprise was dealing white. Like this one, don't surprise me for an hour. Just talking about anymore but. I look at both of them before you know. Very hard. propositioned me. I'm so mad from Dora Looking. Good come on proposition Joe. Joe. Another way, right? I got a proposition for everybody everybody counting gala more darkhorse my as. Your boy looks like the goonies consciouness because a nest I wait it ain't over it ain't. A snow if one thing books ensured us, tonight is that you can find not punishment. But he don't look like is going find it though. Man is looking like he got his milk money taken. He got all swollen up. Face is the third round was going on what is going on man like why? Is He not like I dunno getting some work done in. We need a win. Dan, Nestle like what else is out there for you on those picks man. Autos. POLLY's dead. So deleon kilt everything dillion murdered everything Dan deleon. Rough night at. DELEON PEVEC in murdered with the UPPERCUT. ME's Conan Kill Wipe polly I fight of the night done apart from that. I had another one was potentially live but then. But. Oh my God Geez Louise. No My man looks like Daas Lynn From Street fighter. Catching. From. Buddha. Doesn't seem like the one in stretches on. Talk about I don't. Know. When is Birla? He's like Yo. Let me just stay on the inside. Hope to get lucky boy Gilmore's game plan is survived champ. You'll see him. He's Survived through one good shot and try to hope that y'all. Know, how does he think he's going to get anything on his ear muffs like I guys it looks like you man's getting stopped round. Now. For nothing during stop, Corona Party on jump in Bra. During, stop it right now. He's not throwing he's not trying to counter. He's he's he's he's a sheep right now. Body, shot clip team. I wonder what happened why is gas tank blow out was the first round that that high pace? This day he came out like this man look he chopping away. From doors looking like has gas tank is just. Bro You may get more is getting on right now. So we're just GONNA leave it at that. Kalama. UPPERCUT. Hey you go. You know even in even the inside like you see Gallimore winging punches and somehow this tall six foot five welterweight rolls under them. Good uppercut Jeez Louise. He must can't punch though. Is Super were. Does what would you know that was the only problem with him is like. China wait for him to go lay and. 'cause gala more badly throw 'em. That's a bad strategy because you know you've got to be sure that you're going to stop him then Bre why my? Heart on the back of his head is broken. Say doing the rope a dope. Don't worry Nez Year gallimore going to pull it off late. I sleep him. Man You don't even believe that. He by the get man. He just Paul. Doesn't look like. Chino anything we was bunches. damn. Well, he can't beat up like he stole Sunny Chan. When he purchased there's no lever swollen initial. Do this to. Cottam taking his milk money man. From Dora, don't let my man. He doesn't have power, but he sure knows how to work the levels man. Man My man looking so much better than he ever look he does and he uses his form very well to find a space the uppercut. An illegal like he does it very good. Illegally. Lives in new bit finds A. A measure on that thing? On. That had shaken. Why how you doing the harm sheet? Galley you. Golly. Hell Lizzo looks like he's on his way out man I. Don't know how you keep saying that you see him. Take it in the lay rounds. Amaze looked like he is in the late round. This guy on the TV with a paper bag on all Carfax. That guy. FAWKES Carfax. I gala more. Let's go channel Guy The mall. You're you don't win that heart look bad. About the Buzzer on the outside is losing on the inside and. What does he do? What the keys to success right now? Gallimore Bro. The systems and perseverance and hope that something happens nate. Right now eight, it would be a time when you know someone who's better than you and. He's just. Walking, gather more down you go. Oh No. Persisted the coach made he's talking about the type of assistance we saw were Angelo Leo. You know as the type of persist is we need to see from gala more if gotta more has. Wants any shot at winning this tonight literally punching back. He's just. Off Bro. And if the other minute he's deflecting and then the other one needs only only ten punches around. He's gotta he's gotTa cut it out. A call. and whatever he froze shorts, it doesn't even throw them. We've intentional. Watch gala more come out here with A. UPPERCUT and is GONNA murdered big little skinny. Don't be good if those that. I tell you this fight. Don't look like a million white chant. Just. got a slot as uppercut in. I mean gallon wars managing. CLENCH and wrestling kind of nullify little bitty. He just he doesn't throw I don't know what the game last thirty seconds services. You crazy. O Long right lead paint manages put them away. He put them away. That's it. That's it. He's calling it on. All my guy. is to. Go on the inside is a lot of buddy to Many really, D, do you want me to tell you how many unanswered shots? Before he always. Stopped the fight. Bro. Few minutes behind you think maybe. Yeah, they stop stopped of what. ME. This loaner hoping, he gets tired ship. Hope it was the corner to stopped it. Listen I announced that he was fifteen to one zero one point you get fifteen pound for the stoppage. Then that was in one was in one of my party that polly went up to forty thousand pound if freaking Colombian ghetto drew. While Chan. But you loss. Yeah. I was just A. Fluke alone long after that. Big Redken make because of current and. Only fight but if his PARLAY PARLAY CONTINUES No like you know like the Joe happened that I said I couldn't get you D I'm done. On our side it's not like you. You don't get they could. have order results crazy for us if there's a draw. Know we still in play you know blame it on the heart pete part he got on the back of his. Down An. With the heartbroken emojis. Why. Gala more did US like that. ROE BECAUSE UTAH. Utah together we. From Dude I, put a beat down on like he never stopped punches. So. Gallimore just can't do not. But he was beating them and beat them I actually thought that I had eaten. Remember the the Manning we got the Jim Bob. More. He said if hours win, I'm done Yo. People Yoda's young people trying to wait on a last top ring fight out of. His Dog. And The dog was went down the tubes. Bro. Now he's five. He's four. In one no, he's five and one in his last six zero. Shutout to brethren gallimore you try you try bro. Twisted Dot. COM Godly more. Nest Been Far. More. Boy. Shutout to the herb tours I, don't know what that tourists but. Hopefully. Go on. One. They called them bullshit more. Off. Yo. Door disdain you can't take that from a matter. No go overseas does on his last fight. You know this is a young guy still learning. Let me tell you even on his last flight the I seen him live before. But for that pick them league I did my research I moved his highlights and all that. Also, do that could use like angle and like tight inside many? It S. What you just said many. He keeps. And the reason he can do that is because he's you know he's not wide. Can actually on the inside of Shoulder White Guy White Guy, you know what I'm saying. I even think about Jamaica Jamaica you're taking losses today man so Big It took us. What's your meaning? Oh, damn forgotten man white. Jamaican Dan. We always go out though. That's boxing that's iconic. Tayo Dylan. We ruined for you on the next chat hope. Again. Like December, it's not hope apart these whatever re much. What does that do to like the landscape like? So the way I don't know if US true right back but. Most, be like Eddie explained off the after the fight he said. Is Now the mandatory. But it won't get cold and also. Can we get wild PEVEC IMPOSS-? No, you want because it's not like if they didn't at one men doubly CBC will core fide straight away but because redken they will not have core that. Deon has an immediate rematch clause in the contracts and they want to activate that for December but I think he should wait till the. Technique rematch but. You want to. I Adam. First Aj Adam Wilder Dillian Co.. You make a mistake and be if people can punishment crazy man heavyweight boxing is derail on Doro landed thirty million shots go. Door was truly killer instinct tonight man you gotTa give the Kid you know map prosper if you haven't already subscribe to the Youtube Channel. Make sure you do. So it helps with the visibility. The show is going on gala gallimore he got the Dan he had the MTA taken him out you can walk. Your man's got hurt by the praying mantis from new. We Sarah's Donda praying mantis phone dudas sounds night owl. So yeah, he need help getting down. He broke his foot and you CBO man more prices I can. Steps. Today? They may get them go out stretch. Don't do it nate the gray. And my man changed. Yeah. got. Almost. Looks like he might a twisted aside twisted. Ligaments maybe. He Three E. screaming my now hope he gets. Must Be. Ligament damage this year I got. On it that's what they hooked him up with listen. Don't forget to subscribe to Youtube Channel if you haven't already done. So do me let me get a drum roll we'll ask time we check hundred and fifteen, thousand, six, hundred, sixty, six before I do that Luis Rivera says, Hey, phone Duda. Alto. So we all. Get an hour one. The Winter like a dog so yet the Attic Dr. Bras Dealer say Oh for bent saw his whole life. He's been training a lot. And they've always tried to fight him in the inside like a dog so. He already has. He already had. He's already accustomed to cover up on that style. I, Louis Sei. Curb all and Shit. You know what? I'm saying that's Baio. You know how we get Latino Mattie got. All y'all we got another one from greet and sixty. DUDA is a serious threat to the top Welsh awaits. His hands are low. A lot but he has a chin he's not a well. is a super isn't suicidal Wales Super Welterweight. From Bo who says Gilmore got ran over by fifteen minute long shrink. Got Ran over by the L. Train and so we're going to be back another one for the show import. Feis don't forget to subscribe to the Youtube Channel Oranges. Going immediately anyway. Right. You know conjoint hard. He's almost done with the interview dudas already doing his victory lap. So Porter. She'll be walking out unless they're going to give spent in between. Let's way actually might get spent Oh Spencer Michigan the Michigan. Hanta it'd probably those spence in between. Even. Though it's almost nine o'clock. So I don't know else. Keeping an eye on the on a caught on ESPN toe prank. I was actually. He was on you know the rules fights don't start to like eleven at okay. Okay I've good that running I don't see anything. So I just wanted to check if you have. Soup chat from Ohio runs boxers plenty. Love today. Thank you. My friend. He says Sebastian really laws to my Ohio boy dramatic law. Clerks Lot thought the Gallimore was going to do since fixing clock was body and you knew what was going on. You know higher runs back. On I was trying to get that more pay day. Yellow Big Nick all the way from the UK net start billionaire philanthropist says, four winners tonight, hearn Aj fury, and Arum. Sticking tongue out EMOJI. They always win. Like the promises I don't know why AJ point. Yeah you was right it Spencer coming out yes. We stick around here to the next one next one, and then will you know go back four Sean Porter so we never had that refresh because you never gave me that drum row. Well, here it goes. One Hundred Fifteen, thousand, six, hundred, seventy, four. So we need twenty six more to get to one hundred. Seventeen, thousand, one, hundred, and fifteen, thousand, seven, hundred, one, hundred, and fifteen, thousand, seven, hundred if we get twenty. Now, if you go ahead and get us three, hundred, twenty, four more we might we'll get to that hundred and sixteen and we could just change the number. Together when he three hundred and twenty four more subs to change that number altogether. Are you it. Well and if you haven't hit and this describe button. Hit it. D., N.? Family Yeah make sure there's a d don't be a deed. Luis Rivera says Gallimore. What happened Damn. Bro. A tree beat me up. Three ise group beat them up. Gal, what is it a cow with Alli more got anymore journeyman now? He say group beat him up champ like he he didn't beat prosper I am. I am group now. Shots fired from from from people in a in the boxing industry to. White. Wraps. In case we that ends up being a show tomorrow morning never know what I'd do what I do when I do, why is it that people will be crashing down so hard? GotTa come down on, you know saying Misamis blue. Don't. The thing is that nobody's realizing curse when you laugh you next to go But the thing is like you know. Find. People just. To shake. People. Want to talk to say, Hey, no hours right. Instead of just knifings sorry for people or just lay understanding was going on people like to on them. See I was right in love at people. I've come to. Me Man we already know man that's your man's in them. Make for me. Definitely, Dylan is Mama. Wants. This is like when I? Aged. Lose for example as Englishman, less to me like crying and I was to name what he's doing. Is Boxing. So you're wasn't handing out. Kleenex now I was just. Off the. People on the straight bullied. Sean us. Does when you'RE GONNA learn you learn how to take you else and then just build up nationalist. Sean Westbound. Sheets say. Sean Westbound to get body Jesse his little. An. Pick. Supposedly never. Lose Mel. West Guy Joey right now I don't even know. Poster look his post a pic like this. So you won't take his guard is really really serious. Gar. Bra that's a picture guy. He'd taken a mom, God Mom Card. Now Z. warming up his shoulders better than mom was mom was just waiting like I'm a stiff mom was. Already dead me. She was just like just do it. Joey Spencer Twenty years old five, nine, hundred and fifty five pounds seventy one inch reach three years as a pro always fights have been live on television so the kid is blessed. And Sean West. Looks like a guy who is at least gonNA try and make it. A FIGHT Yeah I mean not much to say right is five and one and three. Who we fought? Who knows right Oh Five zero, five, knockout record and. Things didn't turn out too well for her that night. So we'll see what Joey does. You know we expect joy to do his dues and finish this off. The ruge ru says. Super Chatty SHUTOUT NEW ORLEANS. Let's go champ. Ragu. Ruge ru eight China PB Sina. To the BBC. SUSTAINS COOKING UP. Fighting. OUTTA. Davenport Indiana. Oh snap his name is the exception. To that one, the exception because you're going to have to make step into the ring. Bringing Oh. Oh Joe. Vital Joey already working on his little jabbing a quantity souped up debate fitting many. Do you, think. That just maybe. Wide vast was just a little too happy. That's the. The heavyweight. What did you have? You had like a Maximum violence best. The book. Had A ship. Bodywork senior. Makes Clips later as what is he doing the crazy Home Age? Thousand Bullets. That was different homemade. I was filling the back of it though he had the will fund there was a fissure, but he always gonna live with the Wolf I. Think that's where he goes out who in. He got dogs. You know what I'm saying, Gotti. No. Again, he got dogged. Dog But. They put to pitch. Why is Joey Spencer Round One? Joey Spencer got on Air Force ones was going on. But he got the white. Guy. To per. Got The air, force? One. So Mr. Switch. SMELLY. Or the doctors up back to back the southbound. Okay. Mr West get this guy, Joe. Didn't Bush. Didn't boots were mad they were real. Nice Yo these dudes aren't comfortable beat though these these these awkward Uis that they give you the they're not traditional. They don't make they don't make all he got. He can dog with Joey. He says, you ain't just the hit me chip. My whole family all TV, they watching me. Ma'am joy about the put him with a body shot challenge all you got to set it up though because this. Is Hard to beat these. Oh, we clip Joe, he would have little cheap love Hook. A. I never seen Oh my God that overhang almost landed I left right was there. ooh check left foot by. My my man swam in with his right uses. Oh. Good one he just he just went right as soon as he switch stands, Joey nailed them to the stomach. And okay. Joe Holding that right hand like it's ready to shoot down the pipe. Oh keep them backchat keep them back. Jabbie Matt. Six Round Fight Own. Words. File fifty five. Sixty on. As is like. Sixty, but even at one, fifty, five looks more. Because they. Stock. Kibo. Joys dokie. Joyce five nine. Five eleven he's thinner gain is he ain't brown that out. Oh Man what the Hell was dad. You're man just keep switching. Joey glad to walk him down. Switching heavy. Oh. He really lunged in on joy with the lead double Efi left left. Nothing. Oh. So do his say cage lion is this another Klay Collar? Nah never checked the bill. This is clean. Cut Click collars tonight right tonight. We did right probably. Well it's on the other on the ESPN. But. It's GONNA be another car so Let me check with I've got it. You Know My oh, he'll want. To the body, he'll like it to the body Joey. Why are you tapping gloves tapping gloves with a man? The Hell TAP and gloves man tab, you would keep tapping gloves. Own. Joe What Up. If you're watching this song you too don't get tired of me repeating it just do it. I don't think you've missed it. The next fights on top rank is. The debut full Reagan like the. Okay. Okay Champ. Don't forget the thumbs up button. On. Body by. Your Champ Lamp Cecchi check your texts tech. So said search sex. But he never said he liked tex-mex. Let. Me Get that. Passi on tech sees odd. Do it myself? Man Who is this shaking up and down was as shown. On even know I don't even know how many rounds is by. Six Rhonda six around emitting. You already know champion. Who? He's going to get rid of that dude. Yeah. You know what I'm noticing from Sh west is that he's really lend land rip when it comes to that overhand right Joe usually comes in with his. Lead lead hand down just want him getting caught but he's always had good shoulder roll. But he could get clip man guys throwing like with. You can't. Switch new stupid. I don't view catching someone way comes from that fallout. It's so hard to I. Think it's hard to find somebody my main constantly switching. Jumping edge from different angles, Joey Joey trying too hard to like kid a perfect may just got start working do. Specialty to the body. See some. Yeah sometimes he's Oh God over and Oh my God that put him down. Hard shop man. Holy Moly. That Ryan was very hard. He might not get that one guys'. Moly. On enough to take the Nido. Man's hey brain turn to mush on that shot. Look at joy with his hands down. Come on. Pick them back up champ finish this do. So. That fate. That faint. Jab. Se Smell blood jam is over to go downstairs man look right hand low again. Wildly. Over. Till it's over. On that left to the body that off. He beheads Oh my God told them to keep his hands mother. fucking. He wasn't having a chance flip. This is. Day now, on the backfoot. I mean look. He's making a mess and he's just trying to be a sniper man. That's what that's Joyce. Trying to do right now. But I would like I'm the start in San up some shots. Okay. I would like I'm GonNa just workman. Clothes in. Causing trouble the head writer of that second hand. Yeah. Right. Above the year. crumbly. Senses. RESET THE COMPUTER And out the office is open, nobody's there. You made a book with those one liners before the show brother just come out naturally I'm like a fucking machine. What saw? How your boy keeps switching up like he's doing good from either side, you know. Staff Front forward I think about comfort. Or is it my style but you believe why don't you believe me see what I'm talking about? I? Switch All He oh I. Hear. Necessarily he tied. Tired. He switching. And Nestle, always enforcing that necessity tied I on ten seconds you. Switched is. Open loops is blue. No he really be having me looking at even like I know in the beginning to mature right but like it'd be looking at myself all your all your lips blue it's true. He Li-. Play. Psychological. Games. That closed especially advice barn was ridiculous man. Ridiculous Bro. Maybe would've loved it pro. Responded especially competitive vehicles though I love that man all solid foods bro. All, solitudes conwell. You had the kid Elliott. Who you know we got the meat I was impressed with him. You know. Yeah. You would have liked him to many he had his. His footing has balanced. Speed is counter abilities. It was just a lot a lot a lot a lot to give man I was like all right, and you know when you're doing it with somebody high level like like my man chang-chol. You got. You gotta you gotTa take that into consideration may wasn't just doing good work with just anybody was doing it with A. Guzman top UDO. And speaking of. You'll Konwlo. ooh conwell Heathrow. WHO Else Champ. Well. Somebody's better than these fights man. It's it's crazy because we were quiet just kept each round. We look at each other like. Listen. Next firing his always a better in the Feis right goes less pressure more like putting on the gloves of people who more consolidators go for I don't know what's going on but somebody's new hak-is is ridiculous. I'll. Tell you out of story because he's the one point at a diner he'll remain look like gumby with that she don't like. Oh. Hey. Why does? took his heck. You're off his head turn like four time cy sizes smaller like chew. He puts it on. What's that big floppy hat the police to wear you know what I'm talking about. Golden. Eye Captain Crunch Hat. Yai had the captain crunch gear on some of these guys. But I you know we figured it out when that's. Going around they don't want to get caught. You know nothing like that subway. Joey right now. Wanted on the by restrictions are working I. Don't know why it's not doing that often writes the. Joe. WHAT UP YOU JOE Throw the right up cut up the Middle Midi. Can you give me some insight on why the heck maybe you could tell me why people don't use that right uppercut as much like you know as A. As a secondary step in punch right you know throw the jab step in with a right uppercut but you know you cut it this dance you make sure you put up against the ropes. You know you know ended up on on on false ground. Why isn't it used more thing is people have been like you know discouraged by by Kuchis right a lot of people like you know I know you still has a second raise punch. But as you make your way, you want to be careful that they left two dozen catcher right? 'cause you just going to be there with your job. If you popping your job and you intend to fro the. The to photo you need to make sure that you've got left them occupied was left to catch you on the way we've that country. So so it's better to catch them on the on the counter with the right uppercut Charter Julian hundred percent they because they an is the extended. You don't WanNa get content, but he should just kind of like. You Know Freud like a bit from fall out and FRUITA uppercuts like they'll seeds and left to boom. SLOP was. Now I get it I, get it that that actually I mean. It doesn't mean they can't work right but he should Freud just make sure that you job maybe blocks that hand Bobi maybe disrupts the is keeps the is thanks is. The. Tall in the is. Kit Light kick going pedialyte man I remember the days of way and having a drink that afterwards she's. She's sucked. Yokthai way. I never had pedialyte. No he had a donut before the fight and he'd BE I. Don't shop did you go to many man? Don't us was official that that day? I was like next to Joe's healthy can tell you. Can. Joe's. Gourmet donuts down my. I need to go to never went back. That was my only set donuts from coach. Shit? China distracting his. Last hour check he wants so it. gave me like well. Gore make donuts. All I had all of them. I ended up with a cowboy hat and I think. Wine the night before and Shit. y'Know Joey. Man is the fourth round and. Joey killing. A man. To make good to to bed as the momentum, he's running a moments. Man is done I'm over here deleting emails on Joe. Oh Joey just hit him on the beltline know if it was lower not but they didn't really good. Spencer's obviously winning on the cards. Battle the faints at this point. Shutout. The Bam Abo- says Spencer need the tray with Carmelo trainer or cy cy, see Las Salas. Yeah know he missed. Yeah, for sure pro, I like salads training. You. Know he really knows that. So who is your training? Weaver was still real now on Julie Spencer. Australia is not the Silas can only set or with solves. Only. Response. Others. Joy Traits. Was His dad. Oh man he's just starting to crack hand. into. Stopped me stop them guys. We can stop bashing Joey I he was an I. You know to do any happy about the stop. Let why are you start that was coming on Come on champ us about the guest super smashed Nad the. Take. A more hard ones joost. Yopu Congo. I told you. Can. Listen board is the boys the negate I give me a rational. Explanation as to way was being Clay. I and I can I can I is that Nano. Only he was saying you know what? If know he couldn't. Really. Go with what I was saying 'cause idiot really know if he was just like going from the heart and he was just being rational we've is betting making money right? So and it didn't know either of them. So we had to go based on a resume, right? So. That makes sense. A All right. WHO's next? We shine his down skipper moving onto the next year. Yeah. We down and we down with this on April almost put me to sleep so. Got Got. They got chicken sandwiches up the Popeye. Showing Porter for Mellow Stream. Hopefully, short gets knocked out and wakes as back up man. Instructed to that it. Are.

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The Sporting Life: 8/23/19

The Sporting Life with Jeremy Schaap

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The Sporting Life: 8/23/19

"Welcome to the sporting life with jeremy shop over the next hour. Jeremy sits down with physician peter attiyah for a wide ranging conversation station about how modern athletes are vying the odds on the longevity of their careers. The federer's of the world are able to do something that i will spend the rest of life trying to do and trying to teach they remain completely connected. Every inch of their body is connected at all times and force. I is always transmitted in a perfect manner through the muscles and not to join this sporting life on e._s._p._n. Radio and the e._s._p._n. Spion app. Here's jeremy welcome to another edition of the sporting life this week. We have the privilege of being enjoined by peter attiyah. He is a physician. He is an expert on longevity. He's an expert on pretty much everything his podcast. The drive is were the most popular podcasts out there and i've known him for about a year now and i have to say i am constantly. He's surprised at the breadth but more importantly the depth of his knowledge not only about sports not only about medicine <hes> about <hes> so many different things and we thought we would do a special show with peter attiyah this week peter. Thank you so much for joining us here in the sporting life. Thanks jeremy and i and i'll take a little issue with what you said. I think you've just been lucky in that everything you've asked me about. I happen to know about so. I'm worried you're gonna now. Expose me as a total fraud. I don't think that's going going to happen. <hes> i in fact we had a screening a few months ago of forty two to one the thirty for thirty that i that i co directed and you happen to be in the audience that night and my director ben houser afterwards we talking who is the guy who was asking all those questions and who knew all the answers to all those things about boxing is by the way away. Everything he said was absolutely right. I mean in those situations. You often run into people who who liked to talk but don't know what they're talking about and you actually. I know the history of boxing. You surly know formula one. You know endurance sports is well when people ask you what you do peter. How do you describe yourself. <hes> it depends if i'm trying to get out of it which is most of the time i say i'm a race car driver or a shepherd. Those would be my to the go-to career pads <hes> and race car driver meaning not like formula one but some like you know race car series nobody's ever heard of formula ford maybe where it can be as my way through it and they don't know them talking about if push comes to shove and i'm absolutely forced to talk about what i do. I usually say that i'm just you know really interested in obsessed in understanding the science of longevity which means how to live longer a of equal importance how to live better well of course you know <hes> <hes> this might sound trite but when you talk about someone who's interested in the science of longevity at the same time <hes> is a passionate fan of formula one an who in fact is named his son airton after his favorite driver of all time there seems to be something in conflict inflict there when you talk about people who have an entire disregard not entire disregard that's unfair but who do something that risks their life every day with someone on his studies what it takes to bring us to the brink of as long as we can live. Well you know formula. One is an interesting sport <hes> as you obviously to the fact that i i love it and yes i. My youngest son is named. I artan after the the late great senator who i will still to this day and preferably forever maintain the greatest formula one driver <hes>. I think the sport today is very different than the sport that senna <hes> was was a part of in the the era that senator represented which was really the you know. Senna's death marked the biggest transition in the sport. This sport has had many transitions in terms of of <hes> you know defined by the drivers and the technology of the era and things like that <hes> but senna's death absolutely changed just everything i had the privilege of going back to imola to the place where he died <hes> last month. This was actually a surprise. My wife arranged so we we took our first vacation gatien ever since our honeymoon together and it was to italy and she <hes> figured out that we would sneak in a day and go to imola which is again again a small track <hes> outside of <hes> bellona where we're sending died on may first of ninety four and to have watched this on video so many times you i feel like i know every inch of that circuit but then to stand on it for the first time <hes> and we were very lucky to be there on a day day that was not only beautiful but completely empty so it was about a month after the twenty fifth anniversary of his death which obviously attracted people from around on the world and then to be there after all of that had gone away and it was just us to be there alone with the monuments <hes> was incredibly powerful <hes> and yes. I was really reminded of how dangerous the sport was in that era <hes> many drivers today. Will you know when you hear them in interviews. They'll talk about how how grateful they are for those drivers. They risk their lives <hes> for example. There's a you probably know who mark webber is. You meg remember art drove for red bull a few years ago you know mark webber was involved in a very famous crash that if you watch the crash you just think like how was anybody getting out of that car and get out of the car. He doesn't have a scratch on him with a lot of people don't realize when you see that crash is the wheels came flying off his car but they didn't actually come near the cockpit. They had a tether on them that tether them to the actual chassis like within the axle <hes> that technology is entirely brought about by senna's death senator died because the wheel flew off hit him in the head of the cockpit doc pitch so you're a million reasons why you know senate crashed and we could debate that forever that that's not entirely clear day but what's what is clear is that the proximate cause house of death but death was blunt trauma bought about brought about by the wheel the front wheel coming off and going directly into his head. If that had not happened it would have been trivial accident. By by the way he would have not had a scratch on his body. He would probably finish the race and so that's one of dozens of safety changes that came about in formula one as a result of that and and that you know so many changes came about because of that and weber on the anniversary of senna's death actually paid tribute to that and said look i wouldn't be here today if it weren't for senate and his death because that changed directly change the sport and the technology such that here i am today so we're speaking with dr peter tia he is the host most of the drive the podcast <hes> that so many people have been talking about he's an expert on the applied science of longevity extension of human life and well-being. He's he's also as you've been hearing an expert as well on formula one combat sports <hes> endurance sports and so many other things you mentioned senna's is death may first nineteen ninety-four. I happen to be in monte carlo a few weeks after that and you would remember the details. I don't really but i remember there. Was i was is there in june of ninety four <hes> doing a story about of all things the saudi arabian world cup soccer team that was coming to the united states to play in the world cup that summer and <hes> senate just died. Someone else had just died in formula one. I think roland ratzenberger died the day before senna and so you had not had a death in formula one since nineteen eighty two jill vilna was killed and then you fast forward twelve years. It's still a very dangerous sport. There are devastating injuries and lots of things that approximate death but it was not until that weekend of death at imola when you have a devastating accident on a friday another one on saturday that results in ratzenberger's death and then of course says death on the on the sunday your story <hes> your personal story <hes> how you grew up what interested you how you <hes> <hes> how you went into into medicine <hes> you tell us a little bit about what your childhood was like. Well i grew up in toronto and <hes> like all kids. Growing up in in canada of course hockey was my my love. I grew up during an era when the toronto maple leafs couldn't have sucked any harder so that really even though you went to maple leaf gardens to see the leaves play you're you were only going to watch your favorite teams. Play which were for me was the edmonton oilers at the time just an unbelievable dynasty. This'll be a fun discussion. Maybe for dinner tonight. We can talk about patriots. Versus bulls versus oilers versus yankees in the united states. It's easy to overlook a a sort of a hockey team from part of canada. Most people couldn't put on a map from the eighties but if you really have to think about it like gretzky messier curry hurry henderson low fear could all be on the ice at the same time. It's just reflect on that for a moment right like there aren't n._h._l. All-star teams that can approximate that kind of talent island when they get to pull from the entire league and that was one team so anyway <hes> loved hockey growing up but by about the age of twelve or thirteen my the interest really shifted to boxing. It almost happened overnight. I mean i was captivated in an instant by a fight that we must have disgusted we we discussed hagler hearns when and i interviewed you. I don't remember don't remember but i mean it was a captivating fight. There's there's little doubt about that yeah so so the the the april nineteen ninety-five hagler hearns fight which i guess i would have been twelve. <hes> was a moment that made me realize there could be an interesting arbitrage arrive in my ability because i think when you're young you're insecure. At least i was interested incredibly insecure so so you're you're sort of your we looked to sports as a way to validate our identity in some way and of course you want to be good at something and you know i was an okay goal goalie in hockey and and i was okay but i think by thirteen. I knew i wasn't going to make it to the n._h._l. I think that was that was clear right and and again. I had the luxury of growing up in a city that produce probably more people in the n._h._l. Than any other part of the world so at least i got to see what the best looked like. You had measuring sticks in toronto at a very young age. You could tell hey that guy you. Those kids were spotted at twelve or thirteen. You knew the kids who are going to end up at the very top that's right. There's a funneling system in canada aware basically by the time you were thirteen or fourteen. If you're not on a path to play junior a <hes> by the time you're sixteen or seventeen. It was still very unusual that you would get a scholarship to a u._s. School that was not the path well taken. It was the the junior a triple eight junior to n._h._l. Anyway <hes> what i saw in that fight perversely was an opportunity that i saw myself. Which is i can do something that i'm seeing this guy marvin hagler do on t._v. Today as i got especially i got to know more about hagler and he became sort of my favorite fighter of that whole era which is one as i would go on to learn. He could train harder than anybody else. You know a lot of fighters show up to camp and they trained for six weeks and then they fight and then they kind of get out of shape. That was never hagler. Hagler was in shape three hundred and sixty five days. A year and camp was just to sharpen the iron and i realized i can do that too. He can take punishment in staggering quantities. I think thomas hearns would have taken behead off any other fighter on that day and i was like i think i can do that and i didn't know that at the time but my my hypothesis was i bet i could get beat up harder than anybody else <hes> and so basically i just decided like this is what i'm going to devote my life to is is trying to become the best one one of these things the best middleweight version of this and so that was that was the first time in my life. I really experienced a true obsession. We're we're speaking with dr peter attiyah host of the drive podcast longevity experts we were talking about grown up in toronto as a hockey fan a fan of the edmonton oilers weather great dynasty that one <hes> all those stanley cups in the nineteen eighties with and without wayne gretzky we should point out i was at the clincher when they won the eighty four four stanley cup finals on long island when they ended the islanders dynasty after four straight stanley cups with the islanders from eighty three i was at was it a game seven at the nasa calcite. One would have been a game five. If my memory serves me correctly. I think that <hes> the islanders only won one game in that series after sweeping the oilers in four straight the previous season to win their fourth consecutive cup and then then you become a interested and you don't just become interested in things you become obsessed with things if that's a fair way of putting it but deeply blee <hes> deeply interested in boxing after the spectacular hagler hearns fighting in nineteen eighty-five spring of one thousand nine hundred five one of the most epic rounds in the history of a boxing it was a great era of course for a division is well with with ray leonard and roberto duran <hes> but hagler two years later he fights ray leonard controversial fights still april one thousand nine hundred eighty seven two years later and although many people people still think that he won the fight he lost the fight to ray leonard at least officially and he never fought again <hes> what was the lesson. What was is it like for you as a kid to see your boxing hero walkaway at that stage guide. You know that that it's funny to think that again. I'm fourteen years old at that time. I'm in eighth grade. I remember that fight meant so much to me so i fault per reasons. I still haven't fully digested. I just hated leonard as a kid growing up you know once so i got into boxing. I think you either fell into one camper and other antithesis of hagler. He's glitzy any show off the great fighter. You can't can't take anything away from ray leonard but it's the opposite of the lunch pail. That's that's that's right today. If i could meet sugar ray leonard it would be i would it would be the greatest honor of my life and i could sit down and i would love to wax philosophically but at the time i think you're correct. I think your identity is wrapped up in your idols on some level. Oh and i've viewed myself as a guy that had no natural talent. I was never gonna get anything. That was gonna say anything. I was gonna accomplish. The ring was going to have to be done through pure grit and i saw in that duran i saw in that hagler. I didn't see in that leonard so as you point out i mean it's an amazing story to think that leonard even contemplated completed a comeback what most people i think have forgotten was he had been floored by kevin mcbride. What was his name donny donny. No no no that was after that was that was the name of the guy he fought in eighty s he briefly came out of retirement in eighty five or eighty six wins the fight but in a very uninspiring manner and anyway that's right yeah. I can't believe i forget yeah so anyway when when the decision asian was i still remember the decision. Score is a split decision. You had one fifteen one thirteen hagler won fifteen thirteen leonard one eighteen one ten leonard by one joe joe gareth the judge our kevin howard 'sorry kevin mcbride was so the the next day i come to school and all the girls in my eighth grade class have pitched into by a pound of sugar in it is sitting on my desk. I mean the trash talking starts young young. I obviously don't think hagler lost the fight. I believe hagler did win. The fight <hes> i- i- i score that fight one fifteen thirteen for hagler but at the same meantime hagler did not fight a great fight furthermore heckler sold the fight right there are three things that got negotiated in that contract that the the the leonard camp wanted and basically bought so in exchange for hagler getting the dominant part of the purse which was really what he wanted the most this i believe was hecklers agla critical mistake this is where he led his ego get in the way of his legacy. I'm answering your question. In the most roundabout way he was heckler was forever pissed off at how easy leonard had it. His leonard's first purse was probably half a million dollars because he's an olympic gold. Medalist right hecklers first purse is probably two hundred fifty dollars so hagler always had this chip on his shoulder that leonard was this guy who had it all great and in this fight it was gonna be different and hagler was going to get paid the most and in exchange changed for that leonard basically got three concessions. The i was a smaller ring. The second was larger gloves and the third and i believe most important was twelve rounds versus fifteen because this was on the cusp of an i._b. F- sanctioned fight could be fifteen rounds now it would be within three months later you would see the last of the fifteen round fights in fact. I think the last fifteen round title fight i recall seeing was probably in august of two thousand nine hundred eighty seven. I think that that's gone fifteen rounds. It would not have been nearly as close. I i think leonard very smartly in a calculated way expended himself fully by about the ninth round of that fight and you know strategically placed his flurries but i don't think he did enough to take the title away from hagler <hes> but that said <hes> to your direct question it always upset me. Then hagler retired <hes> there's a part of me that really respects him to now looking back at how many fighters come out of retirement and they are a shadow of their former self and i also like knowing that we never have to have that tarnished. I never got to see a fat hagler for example right. I never got to see hagler getting dressed. You know like you know just getting smoked so <hes> whereas unfortunately like our image of tyson is a guy who should have never been in the ring at the end of his career our our our view of ali is i should've never in my opinion should have never fought after zaire. Maybe manila but never zaire. He should have really he certainly should have never been fighting spinks. Thanks i know i know and i could make the case. He could've retired after your yes. Yes yes absolutely yeah yeah. Sorry so definitely after manila l. at no way shape or form <hes> the two spinks fights should have never happened despite the fact that gives them three championships and then the tragedy upon tragedy of berbick and <hes> homes. I mean those are disasters so i love. I guess that i never had to see her. Go through that and i can still go and watch even in his worst fight losing to leonard. I still think he actually won and it was close. Fight genn were speaking with dr peter attiyah the longevity eddie expert and the boxing expert endurance expert for the one expert <hes>. How did you go as a fighter. Well you you know in canada. The system is different right. We don't have a golden gloves system and the other thing. I figured out pretty quickly was <hes> <hes> my style was not. I was not going to go to the olympics that was very clear because as you know olympic boxing have very different sport and so i think by the time i was seventeen i realized <hes> i'm going to turn professional <hes> so i had a trainer at the time whose son on actually did go to the olympics. He represented canada in he would go onto represent candidate stories. I'm it's a little bit out of order. He would go onto represent candidate in the olympics at at long after i'd stop boxing but <hes> even to see him in the gym you just knew he was playing a different sport so if he and i were going too far for three rounds i wouldn't have scratch on me at the end of the fight but i also would have a very hard time landing a punch on him. If we're going to start for eight rounds it was a very different story <hes> so i would say that by the time i was about eighteen. I was at a real fork in the road where i realized sized. I'm at the end of high school. My parents are not happy about this idea of me becoming a professional boxer <hes> and pretty soon. I'm not going to be in school so that means. I'm going to become a professional <hes> at the time also debating so i'm also doing martial arts in parallel and kickboxing so i'm also sort of weighing the odds of boxing so much bigger sport but i probably have a much bigger advantage in kickboxing because i've been doing it <hes> at a higher level and must kick boxers it turns out don't know how to box very well and much better boxing skills and most kick boxers and i could sort of have the same you know footwork as muslims make short. I have this real epiphany on the on the heels of interaction with a teacher so i have this amazing twelfth grade did mass teacher who calls me in one day and he says hey peter i heard <hes> you're not going to university and i said that's right and i'm expecting the lecture but he doesn't. He says you know when i was your age all i wanted to play in the n._h._l. And i i completely get it and you have to pursue your dream and don't let anybody take it away from you and i'm thinking i. I can't believe i'm hearing this is fantastic right. I can finally go home and tell my parents hey mister. Sparrow wants me to be professional boxer however however he he says but i want you to know that somewhere inside of you is <hes> is someone who's got a great talent for mathematics and i think you're we're going to be depriving the world of something you could do through that and so that that moment planted a seed that ultimately led to a year later me having this change of heart and ultimately going to college and eventually you become a physician and and it he maintain these other interests. How did longevity become in harry expertise for you. You know you're kind to say that. I don't think it's an area of expertise. I think it's a constant journey. It's an evolution. I i can take credit for being obsessed with it. I just don't think it's such a broad topic <hes> i don't i think anyone can be an expert in it but when my daughter was born by that point i was into marathon swimming so i do as you point out i probably tend to obsess over things and and by that point i was several iterations later. The pulitzer prize winning writer notices yet <hes> so so fast forward to two thousand eight my obsession at the time then is marathon swimming and my daughter's born and it really was a turning point when i for the first time in my life sensed a type of joy i just hadn't experienced the joy that comes from lots of things joy that comes from achieving this professional success pass or you know swimming a channel or you know doing whatever it is that you set out to do but there is anybody who's got a kit will tell you there's. There's you know there's like there's something different aren't that comes with seeing this kid and i sort of realized <hes> although the the the articulation of this wouldn't be crystallized for a few years i would. I'd like to stick around a little longer than probably programmed to stick around up until that point. You know there's these stats that say if you talk to you go into the olympic village the day day before the olympic start and you you anonymously pull athletes and say look in exchange for winning a gold medal. Would you be willing to be dead in ten years and you know i've heard the results of these polls and they're staggering right like most of the athletes say absolutely. I'll happily die at twenty or thirty seven. If i can have a gold medal in the next two weeks and i wouldn't say my attitude a tude was that cavalier but i'd certainly only been focused on performance and this next event this next event and something about olivia's birth really made me think hey hey. There's there's a life after this and again like you and i have an advantage of being spectators to sport which means we watch the short half life of these these great great athletes and you realize that even the greatest longevity within sports still represents a fraction of that person's life potentially so i think that was really what ah made the cognitive switch less of course you. Tom brady and you're just gonna play forever at the highest level and defy every had the funniest image the other day of tom brady. There is very famous a surgeon at johns hopkins where i trained and he had incredible hands. He was just a really talented technical surgeon but i remember at one point. He was getting so old that the residents we used to joke that we're going to have to wheel him into the operating room and he's just going to have a head with hands. He'll do his little thing then. You'll wheel him off and i was doing something yesterday. Eh and i thought tom brady. Who is you know. I'm a huge patriots fan so i realized just alienated like probably zora yeah at sixty seven percent of the people listening to this are now turning it off <hes> but just i'm obsessed with ballot check and i'm obsessed with the patriots and i had this funny image of brady being like seventy five being wheeled on on the field like wheeled into the huddle barking out stuff we'll to the line of scrimmage and still managing to make the pass and no one at this point can say you're going to be wrong about that. We're speaking with dr peter tia his podcast which is a very popular one is the drive covers a lot of i don't know as wellness kind of an ugly ugly word <hes> these days but <hes> all kinds of issues about <hes> <hes> physical health mental health endurance i i was listening recently to <hes> one of your shows and you were talking about <hes> dementia and dementia prevention and it got so deep so oh fast and and you do a good job. You're not talking down to people no one whatever but you make it <hes> understandable to people. How do you manage <hes>. How do you manage to stay up to date on so many different health issues. It's a hundred percent of the result of having a research team so so. I have a pretty large clinical team that helps me you know actually take care of patients and i have a probably a larger research team so i have a team of analysts so bob kaplan who you probably would if you've watched any of the ask me anything segments bob is the one that he and i sit there and sort of banter back and forth so he's kinda my aside kicker i'm his sidekick depending on how you look at it and under bob there is a team of five or six other analysts and they have effectively become <hes> peripheral or auxiliary brains so for example today. The last thing i did before coming over here was i had a call with bob and for thirty minutes. We just ran the list of stuff okay. Hey you know bob <hes> this paper which just came out <hes>. I've looked at it really quickly. I need you to really look at a deeply because i think it's interesting you know they calorie restricted a bunch of people and made them exercise like crazy amounts of exercise. One group was given a placebo. The other group was given testosterone supplementation. The group that was given a placebo didn't lose was any muscle mass. The testosterone group actually gain muscle mass. That's very counterintuitive that given that they were only eating fifty five percent of their daily energy requirements. I need you to go and dig into that deeper and and <hes> by the way can you have so and so one of the analysts work on this other thing that i need dumble also so basically i'm delegating learning to other people bull who then filter up to me to speed up the process so and even still it's very hard you know there are about one hundred thousand publications make their way a onto something pubmed which is sort of the place where we organize medical literature in the english language one hundred thousand a month so weet my view is that somewhere between a hundred of those and thereabouts one hundred of those are relevant and we have to sorta sniff those out and learn what we can from them and if if you know if we could i'd i'd have one hundred analysts and you mentioned briefly your <hes> your appreciation of tom brady and bill belichick and the patriots and and how most people will now <hes> certainly resent you or or hate you or load you but <hes> what we're seeing in. It's not just tom brady at forty forty two. It's also roger. Federer is almost forty the way he's achieving what what we're seeing from so many any older athletes right now serena williams at at her age <hes> we saw i mean what floyd mayweather when he it does choose to compete what he's doing. His forties he still untouchable and longevity general not not career sports. Longevity is what you talk about a lot but you see something going on when you look at federer and you look at brady and you look at floyd mayweather in the way that we're training athletes now <hes> that is enabling this. You know it's really interesting because you've you've you know. There are some professional athletes who i know. You've named a bunch. I i don't right so i don't personally know any of them. So any anything i'm saying could be total nonsense based on observation so let's take federer for example <hes> because as you point out his longevity is remarkable his performances stunning i mean it's it's hard to believe even though he just lost in that final <hes> the wimbledon open final to joke. That's an example of what like those of us who can't even comprehend what those guys are actually doing like. That's that's. It's a fifty point. One to forty nine point nine percent vote like that is a razor thin margin and to think that in two thousand eight when he lost a similar muller heartbreaker to nidal people thought that was the end of his career. I mean most people thought we have witnessed the passing of the torch. <hes> understand yes. Yes absolutely now what i can tell you just as a as a student of bio mechanics and one who wants to understand how to preserve our body function option is either naturally or through some very deliberate training the federer's of the world are able to do something that i will spend spend the rest of my life trying to do and trying to teach which is they remain completely connected. Every inch of their body is connected at all times and force is always transmitted in a perfect manner through the muscles not joints. I'm over simplifying a little bit but <hes> without getting too technical terminology around this anytime you exert force on the outside world that force is being exerted back on you okay so oh so when when you sane bolt runs the reason you saying bolt runs faster than anyone in the history of running is his mass mass his <hes> forced to weight ratio exceeds anyone at the forced that he is hitting the ground so the force that you sane bolt hits. The ground is the same force. That's it's hitting him up. The force that's hitting him up is allowing him to stay in the air longer so he travels further per stride bolt doesn't take more strides per unit time he he travels further per unit stride and he can maintain his speed longer so everything that an athlete like federer is doing is about transmitting some force force and his the degree to which when he serves his you know which you think about the whip that's being generated by serve writes. It's like a nine foot whip. That's connected to his feet for most athletes specially non elite athletes but even for most people at the elite level you will see breaks in the armor. You will see places where forces get dissipated into their back into their knees into their shoulders. Federal federal seems to lack all of that and again how much of that is just raw neuro muscular innate talent versus conditioning training and practice. I don't no because i don't know him but that to me is the element of longevity in an and in fact longevity in sports to me means <unk> delaying the decline because there's really two types of there's two pieces. This is oversimplifying again but there's two pieces to this right. Let's use brady now. As an example is brady a better quarterback today than in two thousand one. I mean i would say yes. Is he physically actually better. No i would say physically. He was probably better in two thousand one but his experienced today his ability. I mean especially at that position. I mean my god your ability to be able to read and see in an i and such as you know unparalleled so what brady is doing that so well is. He is delaying the decline faster than his peers. It's not that he's not declining meaning. He is he's just delaying it more and that's giving him more and more time for his experience and his knowledge and his wisdom to provide his edge and i. I think that there's again. There's something to these these guys that have the ability to the you know again. I think in brady's case it's more deliberate truthfully. <hes> just based on what i've read about tom and i i don't know enough about federer but there's an amazing ability to these guys have to just just when you watch their knees hips shoulders oblique like their the way the core moves around <hes> doing something different from the rest of us as a boxing enthusiast and historian a fan of the sport in general all i mentioned floyd mayweather earlier and it's not always easy <hes> it's quite difficult in fact to be a fan of floyd mayweather the person but floyd mayweather may weather the fighter and what he is done <hes> how he has built this record undefeated record over the course of a couple of decades <hes> nobody's ever hurt the guy really and maybe i'm missing. Maybe forget a melt moment but but what he's done the <hes> elusiveness the the the speed the precision and still doing it <hes> whenever he chooses to do so whether or not you consider mcgregor gregor macgregor thing that doesn't count when you see floyd mayweather in what he's achieved in that sport which makes him such remarkable defensive ansah fighter wh what do you think about mayweather well. I mean i think you've sort of captured the essence of it right which is just i don't know what it is and i feel like i'm being a bit of a hypocrite recruit right because i certainly loved all of alleys antics and his mouth and stuff like that like even though i didn't live through it and maybe that's part of it right. Maybe it's because i got to her. Revisit it. <hes> there is something about mayweather's antics that i just don't find that interesting. He and i think part of it too is i've never ever loved defensive fighters i mean i think that's just the nature of it and again. It probably comes back to my own projection. I was never a defensive fighter. I couldn't counterpunched punched to save my life right like i only had one way to fight and it was what use like literally take hagler hearns yes. That's exactly exactly right my only way to fight. It wasn't that i had to get my head pummeled but i might my m._o. Was create a pace that is high enough that the other guy's going to have to start making mistakes but i was never playing chess ever and so i think on some level i'm just inherently jealous of people who had so much more athletic attic ability that they could do and mayweather mayweather is staggeringly talented. He's so talented in fact that i think the greatest tragedy of our our this last era of boxing is that he didn't have his fraser. I mean it's it's awful it is that we had to wait too. Many years is to see him fight pacquiao and by the time they thought it was not even if i mean that's that's actually the last time i paid for pay per view by the way that's how pissed off yeah. I'm done. I'm i'm i'm actually done with boxing at this point <hes> and so in many ways he suffers a little bit from the roy jones junior phenomenon which he never are in his prime truly had someone to bring out the absolute best in him and but of course unlike roy jones junior who i loved by the way i mean we were talking about this before. We got started. We were both at the same fight in january of ninety six. Were both at madison square garden to see roy. Jones junior fight fight marquis sosa. There was something about his capacity to finish you immediately when you made a mistake made roy jones junior a stunning fighter to watch <hes> and i would would argue probably one of the most exciting fighters during the <hes>. It's from the period of about nineteen eighty nine to ninety six. I don't think there was more interesting fighter out there including tyson because i think by that point tyson really wasn't as interesting a fighter. You could certainly make the case that mike tyson's last impressive fight with spinks in the summer of eighty eight which is before roy. Jones is even fighting in the olympics where he got robbed of course but that's a subject for another time. <hes> did you you ever hear teddy. Atlas on the joe rogan show talk about tyson not on the joe rogan. I've heard tanny talk about mike so interesting yeah. I'm sure you have so it's a teddy made an interesting point on rogan which was tyson's never actually been in a fight in his life and the argument he made was by definition of fight is when the other guys there to fight and he went through all of tyson's since victories and he said none of those guys never showed up to fight like we talked about spinks. I mean spikes clearly wasn't there to fight. He was there to not get killed to collect twelve million or thirteen million bucks and he went through of course everyone that beat tyson and he said basically tyson's record is like oh and five. What do you think that take. I think <hes> and we've talked about this before. In the context of buster douglas bliss i think buster douglas won that fight because he wasn't defeated before he climbed through the ropes. He was a guy because in a lot of these guys have had this background so it's kind of hard to say we'll buster. Douglas grew up in a fighting family michael spinks his brother was the heavyweight champion the world too so but buster douglas grew up with a father who was a fighter <hes> in tough he grew up with brothers who were fighters in tough the idea of being scared by anyone <hes> just i didn't register for buster douglas and the physical differences well six foot four as opposed five foot ten <hes> two hundred and thirty pounds as post two hundred eighteen compounds and i think in some ways i think that's a fair teddy knows more than i do fairway to analyze it that <hes> against buster douglas in tokyo in one thousand nine hundred ninety. He found somebody finally who was defeated before the fight started. Yeah i mean i of all the people to defeat tyson heison. Nothing is more impressive than douglas which we had the great privilege of talking about that when when when when you and i spoke on on the drive <hes> and i've gone back and watch chat thirty for thirty a couple more times i mean it's it's it it is a beautiful story and it's i'm so glad you did it because it would be easy to forget that story given that it occurred and then he immediately loses to holyfield it's easy to relegate him as a footnote to history but but that was anything but a footnote i'm very grateful and and i'm looking forward to a buster's having a thirty th anniversary celebration they're having one in columbus in february the three th anniversary is coming up and and i'm going to be <hes> playing role in that and i always loved that string what he did somebody had to be. I we're speaking with dr peter tia. He is the host of the dr and as you have been hearing he is a polymath <hes> eclectic interesting before we let you go. We could go on forever. One thing that's always fascinated me as a fan of olympic sports having covered a lot of olympics <hes> and like many people who who follow endurance sports what's happened in the marathon on in the last few years just how mazing it is and the idea of a two hour milestones somebody it's. I guess it's gotta happen when you you think about somebody breaking breaking the mara the to our marketing marathon you know sixty five years after bannister canister broke the four minute mile. What does it signify well. Have you read alex hutchings book. <hes> endure so it's great. It's a great book and actually hope to have alex on the podcast at some point to explore this topic. He does a great job exploring this and other feats of human endurance <hes> <hes> he's also a fellow canadian and and i don't know him even though we were in college at the same time but my friends who ran cross country competed against him. I think there is an element of the banister is part arta this in the sense that there's a there's just there's a mental barrier there a little bit but that said i also think there is this is physiologically at a different level <hes> when you look at all of the elements of what it's going to take to run a two hour marathon and it's also worth pointing. There's two ways this can be done. I assume i'm you're referring to the stunt way. Which is like what nike was doing a couple of years ago where it's not an official break but frontiers purposes. You're in other words you remember. What what what nike did you at. Monza was basically thinking one way or the other. I mean i think it has real marathon for all the only reason i make that distinction is that's going to just stretch it <music> out even further and further. I mean to break two hours a real marathon which only a handful of marathons qualify right. They have to be a start and finish in the same place. You know given elevation change you. You basically need to have a little bit of a change in training right so there's there's a muscle breakdown issue. That isn't really a factor in the mile right. The mile is by definition a four minute or less event. <hes> one can sustain a lot more tissue damage for that period of time than two two hours. <hes> secondly heating ventilation becomes an issue right again for the mile. You're only asking the system to do cooling for it for a period creative time. That's you know much shorter. <hes> nutrition starts to matter fuel partitioning starts to matter obviously the mile. You don't have to consume water food or anything at the marathon level. Hydration is going to start to matter and you start to run up against issues. Like how much can you absorb this nutrient or water. How much can you optimize optimize cellular respiration these things like that. I believe this will be broken. I do not believe this is like some impossible barrier that just strikes me as illogical and that's a complete fallacy policy. That's like you know. It's a constructive how he created time basically but i don't see it just happening out of the gate you know. I don't know that ebba like maybe wrong like maybe someone like maybe the equivalent of us sane bolt comes along because if you really think about what you're saying bolt did dissenting. Let's put that in perspective for a second when ben johnson in seoul korea korea runs a nine seven nine many people thought nine seven is about the limit clean right like you just one when you're not gonna because if you analyze his race the number of strides the duration etcetera you sort of i remember reading all of these analysis that from really smart smart physiologist geologist said that's as fast as it's getting well. I mean you saying bolt made a mockery of all of that by changing the game which was imagine you had a guy that could take jake astrid at the same frequency as everybody else but to go whatever six inches further well seven inches taller than john's. That's right so yes so. Why could we see that in marathon again. It won't look the same because again. Wait is going to matter so much in the marathon but it's it's not as much as wait. It's power to weight ratio <hes> so i don't know we're gonna see it and i think we'll see it in our lifetime <hes> <hes> but i but i think a few kinks to be worked out and a lot of them have to do with that kind of stuff. We just discussed. I said one last thing but i didn't really mean it. You know i know people run marathons <hes> jogger for longtime. You know i think i did one half. Marathon almost killed me so i i. I'm not you know <hes> inexpert in terms of participation but is running like that you know of the people who run two marathons a year run one hundred miles a month. Is that good for you. It's all relative to what the alternative is. The alternative is sitting on a couch. Yes it is absolutely good for you. If the alternative is putting together a laser laser sharp program that is geared towards maximizing your longevity. No i think are better things that you can do and i think there are basically two main things that have to be considered as as far as the damage that one can do from excessive exercise and and again when you say this stuff you automatically upset a bunch of people who immediately think that you're saying the alternative sit sit on the couch absolutely not so to be clear you'd be better off running yourself to death sitting on the couch <hes> matter speaking but when you consider the long-term orthopedic consequences that most people experience from hyper endurance activities because they aren't doing these things correctly remember. It's very different when mab runs a marathon then when you are i run a marathon. I mean well. I mean i i know we live in san diego and i used to train on my bike at the same place would run so i like. I have the luxury korea having spent hours watching mab run. I mean he literally looks like what god must have had in mind when god decided i'll let these things all of these creatures run like it just looks beautiful and that's not true of every elite runner but it of some it is and so <hes> when you're pounding funding your knees and your hips <hes> you have to ask the question. What's what does this look like. When i'm seventy years old the second thing james o'keefe cardiologists <hes> has done a lot of work on this is <hes> a lot of hyper endurance causes damage to the heart and it's not the damage most people think of so when most people think of heart disease damage to the heart you know in their western society sided they think of atherosclerosis which is sort of this arterial disease <hes> that's not what the people who are hyper exercising or typically dying of they're getting sort of scarring and fibrosis in the heart and also they're getting damaged to the electrical system so the electrical system of the heart it picture a set of wires running through the muscle as that muscle stretches constantly which is what it has to accommodate that amount of exertion you start to permanently stretch out the electrical system and so even in my practice i've already he's seen three young athletes need a ablation for atrial fibrillation so so i do think that the optimal thing for longevity nobody is actually not long distance ultra duration exercise <hes> i so i do think there is an inverted u shape and the sweet spot is less than that but obviously significantly more than doing nothing well as someone who's about to turn fifty <hes> you know i i i appreciate <hes> all the work you've done trying to make this the stuff understandable for the masses people like me and <hes> our conversations about all these different topics. Dr peter attiyah who we've been hearing from last hour is an expert on so many things he's the host of the drive which i highly recommend one of the truly worthwhile oil podcasts out there in the sea of podcasts peter. It's been a pleasure. Thank you so much for joining us jeremy. Thank you so much for having me. Thanks for having joined us. I'm jeremy shop and this has been the sporting sporting life on e._s._p._n. Radio were on every saturday and every sunday morning at six eastern time.

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 Hour 2: Top-10 Halloween Candy

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Hour 2: Top-10 Halloween Candy

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Yeah Yeah Yeah what do we do. I found out on the daily that there's a player called rocket watts from Michigan State. Really I'M GONNA tune in to see that guy or is name obviously amazing. I also found out on the daily that Michigan State's basketball team has worn off twitter for the season. Yeah yeah high expectations for Tom. Izzo and them boys. They're always they always have those though right. Yeah but it's not often they come in at number one and it's not often then. I find a player whose name is rocket watts. Yep so I think I'm a Michigan State guy if I am a rogue scouts and I call you Mike and your college basketball all coach. Okay at one of the Big Four Kansas Duke Carolina Machine One of the Big Schools Kentucky. Okay and I tell you I got this kid. And he's on the court art and his name is rocket watts. Are you asking any other questions. No signing am signing and in fact. If I'm a baseball team I draft him without even knowing wing if he's ever picked up a baseball name can't lose right quarterback as well write. That name can't lose. That dude is good at everything he tries. Is that his real first name rocket we what do we know about that. It's mark but everyone calls him rocket. Okay it sounds cutter nicknames. When used who Iraq it is male clemens to there you go I saw Lsu unless you got to commit? His name is football this Lsu football guy. A guy named the coldest to ever do it. Crawford that's not a joke the true stories like it. His first name is the coldest right middle name to ever do it Crawford. What's true story? Get a mothership. That's fantastic. Who else do we need to get on the show Taylor Lewin? I'm not saying that correctly the one you get him on the show. I've I've heard of pronounced both ways. So Trey Wingo corrected me and I said Hey. I don't even know laboratory to my life. I've heard pronounced both ways. Because you keep saying I just by me. Anthony Davis Greg and I were talking during the break. Had some some interesting comments I think Laker Laker fans were would probably be upset by his comments. He was in Chicago. He was doing something with Nike Nike sponsored events. There were a a bunch of young people in the audience. I think it's getting blown out of proportion what he said. I Made Stephen a discussing it on. stateful thankful for the audience He was asked if he would play for the Chicago Bulls next year and he. He sort of alluded to the fact that he's like well. I am a free agent next here. which was surprising because everyone just sort of assumes part part of this trade meant that Anthony Davis was obviously extending with the Los Angeles Lakers? But he left the door. Open a little bit and dame if we're not all just pushing in that door open he said if you get a chance to come home and play for the Bulls would you do that. Was the question asked by an honestly. It's nothing like playing at home There's nothing like playing at home. I don't know I made him a free agent next year but we'll see it's a possibility possibility. Egg that's that's him leaving the door ajar not not immediate creation Asian. But you know he's playing to his audience on the one hand but on the other hand you know you do have fans in La. Who might be a little disappointed to hear that? You've been with the Lakers about a minute and a half. Have you played a few games. How about in just enjoy this season and don't already act like it's the off season next summer? Yeah let that come on its own. This is why it's getting being blown out of proportion because he said with a smirk and what is he going to say in front of an audience like that so he he didn't really mean anything by it but to that point he has in the past had Chicago. Even though no one would really identify that franchise is a franchise that I have to go to. When he provided his list Chicago on near- nearby Milwaukee were on the list of and the a teams that he would go to he is Chicago Guy and home is always been important to him? He's been consistent about that. Well you what may have been a rhetorical question when you said what's he supposed to say what what he supposed to say is. I'm thrilled in. La Right now. We'll see what happens next summer but I couldn't be happier being with the Lakers. Instead he says well. It's a possibility that I'm going to Chicago Mike It. It's a bad look. It's a guy who forced his way way at New Orleans refuse to play basketball games. Got Got what he got what he wanted. He got out of New Orleans. He's playing with Lebron James at six games in. I know he's playing to the crowd my but but I'm with Greg. That's not what you WANNA hear. If you're a Laker Fan. Six Games in to the season. Anthony Davis might be one and done might go to you. Just don't WanNa hear it. No right right and why would you go to Chicago. The teams lousy. Yeah you're playing with O'Brien James L. A. Home. I understand that. But that's just not what you WANNA hear. No bad luck. The gap do agree. Yeah I mean it's much better than what he did last year so true. I applied him making steady improvement. I ah with Gregg. It's like listen Chicago. You'll always be home. Love you the very good just. La We're five and one focused on this season right. I mean I you know people love the NBA for the offs in the NBA always wins the off season and have a great exciting free agency period. With all these stars shifting the whole League League by changing teams and everything and so that's fine. Let's let's wait till June and July for that instead of doing it. Now when you you've just started your first season with the team yeah working at. ESPN is fascinating. So many stories right and it's hard to sift through the ones that are meaningful and the ones that are meaningless. Okay and and you never know around here which ones are going to be meeting fault right. I had no idea that John Collins of the Atlanta Hawks being suspended for twenty five games would be a big a deal around here but bill yellow is scrambling right and has a paid attention for fifteen minutes because he was my fifth pig. Fan O loves or someone else already has Jabari Parker so this is not good. Oh boy you screwed Alex Len so maybe benefit slightly. Maybe you won't at your fault for having Alex Excellent Yeah. Where'd you draft him? I think he may have been a free agent. Pick up to be honest with you know all right. I'm GonNa give you the guy you have to go after Casey. If he's still available I don't know his first Eh embry go get him. I don't know if I do that. Guy Plays with a motor. How do you spell that Dion? Isn't it the entree entree battery. Yeah B. E. N. B. R. Y. I don't know if it's the Andrei there is a d. there it says debry but in a game that John Collins played it billy it just seen in the last game okay last box score. The Guy who has a motor had eighteen points. Ten rebounds eight assists two steals who. Yeah the Andre embry he is a free agent is top dollar for long today was the Andrei Odd apostrophes actually at the end of his first name. Well not in between Andrei either way the Andre Bemberg at a student was Duncan. All over the place against Miami good player. That's your pickup pickup. Yeah it happened to me with De'andre eight and and I got what's his name Aron Baynes. Oh my God dude doing work that a savior monty Williams boys the sons good. They're good really really. Yeah and they didn't really change the Rosser. All that much had ricky Rubio. Who's playing well for them? But they've lost eight in an errand. Baines is playing good minutes. Devon Booker looked amazing last night. Well well what do you think the I think the reason for bogere looking so good is you have a natural point guard. Rubio there. So Booker doesn't have to worry about hailing the ball your mic. Right there good teams. But he's meeting back in twenty twenty game but he was always a guy like a catch and shoot guy that was his reputation in college. He's made absolute leaps and being able to handle the ball. He put Josh Richardson. who was a very a good defender on skates last night? Totally destroyed Josh. Richardson on that end of the court. He was awesome. The Suns are good. I'm trying to wrap my mind around that. They weren't last last year right there. Were they fire the coach And they brought in Monty Williams who hasn't had a lot of success as a head coach. It seems would always play hard. Art was a respected assistant. Brought him in and the sons are one of the better stories in the NBA House. Here come the sons like George Harrison. Saying you a little other pleased. 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It's ridiculous I've gained five pounds since Halloween for lunch yesterday I had chocolate. Ah I had candy for Almond Joy. You know all this stuff and it's ridiculous every year. It's the same thing my wife and I buy too much candy right. I buy four big bags of candy. Andy she goes. Do you think that'll be enough. So by a V one and we never get as many kids as we expect and then there's big tons of candy leftover and it's ridiculous. Billy perked up there. He was very excited. He flashed a couple of candy bars that he has autumn. I'm so excited. I brought leftovers Halloween candy today for. Here's the thing. We didn't talk talk about this. So on. Halloween was Thursday on Wednesday. I went to the supermarket and I saw that. There was a bunch of Kenny. Stop Buying like candy. You guys aren't getting any of this candy. I see what's going on here. No no one's getting any of these heroes. Just he really likes suits enroll their amazing on. Hold Lana Zak. Put It on the poll. Do you like to see roles interested because I'm with Roy. I don't really like touchy roles. Chris loves them but of course he's fat. Okay so class Wednesday. We were talking off the air. This is what I it did. What's happening stopped getting roles unless you say trigger tree? You're not getting any of this candy. So last last week I went to the supermarket and and I was GonNa get candy but I realized I'm probably going to get a ton of trick or treaters so I see tootsie rolls which I love to three roles and there's a big pack it's a tootsie rolls the tootsie roll lollipops which are delicious. I was all in on all this candy right but I told you what I did. Instead of buying it is I went into just kind of scouted out the supermarket and I took notes. What can you do? I want because I'm coming on Friday and I'm getting this stuff fifty percent because that's the deal with Halloween candy same thing with Valentine's Day candy. Same thing any holiday a day like branded candy fifty percent off the day after it almost every store all and he's like a little pumpkin on the thing and it's your golden so that's why you need to look for so I was going to send you a picture. I didn't send you a picture because we talked about it on the air. I was waiting for it. I mean my wife on the same page. We didn't even talk about it. She got this massive assive bag of one hundred sixteen tootsie rolls variety to its roles different sizes different lengths different ways. have these fat tootsie rolls. I have the skinny not roles. I have the regular Tizi rose. You know what rules for everybody there. You go everybody's GonNa get out. Give my two. Because Roy doesn't want one he wanted in great and rats. That's the play. That's what you do. You wait till the day after Halloween and then you really stock of you. Save some some bucks my least favorite chocolates role. Oh Man it's the classic American Candy. Yeah I don't think it is. I think people are on on my Saad Roy side. Mike excited I don't think we I think tootsie rolls are rated really. I think underrated if anything I mean. I happen to have the all time. The top ten Halloween. Candy's of all time on the list. Here I went to a Halloween Candy Dot Com. And I do have the definitive list if you guys would like it. You'll be disappointed here. Tony's book perked up. I don't care about this list. You know what's going to be number one something dumb candy corn's on this out of here. I mean my you have some sound effects here. I'M GONNA give it a top ten halloween. Candy's of all time according to Halloween Candy Dot Com. Excellent okay number. Ten Sour Patch kids. That's not good for Halloween. Candy number. Nine reese's pieces number number eight M. and M.'s are all eminem in the ems category. I think it covers the entire Peterman. Ems are my favorite great. I'm I'm with billy though I think sour patch kids is more of a movie candy than a Halloween Candy comes in too big of a packet. Give the kids like I guess a small version of Sour Patch. Kid Not oh good. I agree with us. I number seven butter fingers. I love a good butterfinger number six starbursts now. I don't like starburst them a bit overrated. Here's where starburst get really really good if you take like the red and the yellow and you mix them fantastic pink and the orange. Mix them fantastic. The lemon on its own. Not good but with the Cherry. The amazing the Pink Starve is the most overrated thing and all candy really everyone law of pink and I go red and orange but then on the poll the pink star starburst is it the most overrated candy in the history of candy you know they have starburst Pakistan or called fave. Red's just read something like that and it's just the red from all the different flavors of starburst really all the different packages l.. So good I have an idea. I don't know listen starburst. You're welcome merge the flavors so I don't have to open up the Cherry one and the lemon one and eat them together. Just put a little lemon into the cherry one there on that they are. Yeah Yeah I saw recently okay. You don't like it. Is Fruit fruit roll ups right roll. UPS does like this. Tie Dye thing where it's like a couple of flavors together. It's like listen I just want the classic four. Different color flew Fr- roles that have like the things that you can peel out. You can like stick it on your tongue or whatever like that's what I want I don't want all these like mishmash is tied a yellow and red and orange and none of that stick to the classics for roll ups. Aisa starburst is I'm with you on that billy starburst dirty dirty doing this. Is that what you guys guys are claiming their merging flavors. I'm surprised you invented that. Though I right I feel like I deserve some sort of Split. You're welcome starbucks number five. Okay Greg Yeah Okay. Good reese's peanut butter pumpkins what I did. That reese's peanut butter pumpkins at the top mouthful. Those are just reese's peanut butter cups shaped like Pumpkin. Yes number four snickers the low number three the twix bar which side at a snickers though right I like the small ones. Here's the thing switch. You have to bite off the top right the chocolate caramel and just eat that cookie underneath. It's fantastic little chocolate croissants riot riot sociopath. They should just release the cookie. I'm Talia with a low chocolate drizzle inside. Don You guys right up number two to reese's peanut butter cups. Mean who put the south of reaches company Warri in the top ten Hollywood Gandhi Dot Com. Hollywood Candy Candy. I cried number one Hollywood number one the kit. Hey Kat bar that is straight talk as straight talk wireless everything for they say. Don't blame me. 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Fourteen zero nine defeat defeat versus the sons Devon Booker Forty points and four rebounds and finally ants don't have longs for all the latest information formation and headlines tune into sports center on. ESPN radio all throughout the day. Greg Cody had studio with US Ronn. Miguel will join us at noon. Eastern we should ask them. I'm about the aunt of course with no long lungs and they breathe breathe. I don't know how they breathe as a fair question. They have little tiny nostrils. What's going on with aunts? WE'LL ASK MIGUEL COMING UP AT At noon Eastern you guys done eating candy in there. I mean you spent the entire Brady bad last. I'd like the last wasn't he goes. Roy Says Zebra Skin. Sugared is stuck to my teeth and I I need to back now. I like the sugar babies. Not The sugar daddies. Sugar Babies. Don't get stuck to the as sugar daddies. There's like a lollipop right. Yeah Baby I think any candy. Top Ten list disqualifies itself if it doesn't include almond joy. I don't like almond joy. I love coconut. Oh fantastic alligator roy shaking his head violently. Oh no no that amounts no o'malley worse fantastic so yeah go box of nerds nerds should've made its way onto that nerds a good roy. How do you feel about milk duds? I like milk. Duds how how. `Bout peppermint Patty. I hate peppermint pack pepperoni really. I like him. I got stand Roy. I have similar candy at taste. Yes we do yes sir uh-huh Weird twizzlers by the way also should have been on. The list was sweet. I Love San where we twizzlers another movie candy on Halloween Louis. Whistler's movie candy like you're eating candle aren't twisters liquorice. Isn't that just licorice. Christopher different name for the polls eating twizzlers like eating a candle. And it's fun if you use it as a Soda Straw candle only real real use for twitter. Sir I got I want to talk some college football because the The announced the college football playoffs the standings tonight and I want to talk about Florida state. And who's going to be the next head coach there. Paul Finebaum says it's not going to be urban. Meyer Not GonNa be Bob Stoops but greg is actually actually interested in the fight. The fight that I was part of the way in over the weekend for Moskva Dahl D. as you had some legitimate. UFC questions that lives is in even almond trench than the Mas Vidal camp. I have a feeling I can't answer any of these questions. But I think Mike Ryan cat but you did have some questions. Well that Matchup Moss Madonna versus Nate Diaz. Interested me once I investigated a little bit and when I'm about to say sounds like I'm knocking these guys but in fact I'm praising them these are not young. They're both like what thirty to thirty four. I think they're both thirty four. Yeah okay. They're both thirty four Their resume is not without its pitfalls of each lost. I think ten or twelve fights so I'm fascinated by the idea that these two older guys who've got a lot of losses on their resume have managed to sort of reinvent themselves and both become a-list. Guys headlining this big. I'm bout it. It just interests me how they got their whore Hayes really. Reinvented himself navy. As if he did reinvent himself. He had a resurgence with how well. Well he fought Conor McGregor Mazda had a bit of bad luck throughout his career. Aerial Awani describes him as the king of the Split. A decision loss Whenever it goes to judges but yeah he's absolutely turned it on Remember he started in the streets of the more professional training. He's gone. He's responded responded to and yeah you. He's on a heat right now. No doubt but I think Greg's confused by how are these two of the first off. They're both I think. Thirty four years right outside of John Boehner Jones at this age. You'RE GONNA find. Even the top are of enemy fighters. You're going to have losses like that. That will that will surprise. Not when I got the card but it's different for you. You're thinking about boxing right right and usually the greatest of all time with a great in the sport they don't have more than a handful of losses if that data and it should be noted that these are two of the cleanest fighters the UFC has there. That's why what happened the week leading up to the fight with Nick de as is sample was so out of left field. Because he's too you know clean guys. You could count on in when Mazda. Dole had that famous Was it a three or five second knockout over Ben Aspirin. Yeah did that like make his comeback. Is that what because I'm a casual. UFC Fan so I'm like I'm wow this knock them out and what parents second all of a sudden I'm paying attention and finding out who Mazda knock out of the year and I already admit this show didn't know who Taymaz Vidal was before that knockout got our attention. Got The nation's attention because that was something that was shared on social media right. I how can you not just absolutely be thrilled when you're watching that SORTA clip. It's it's incredible my point that abby is. Let's twenty minutes from the studio. We had no idea who he was until he had that. Knockout right. Yeah we weren't that familiar with it and and and It's a sport that needs star power and this dude had a cool story us being a Miami show. I like to think we helped out in terms of bringing him to the nation nation Anime fans knew about him. But casual fans of this show probably weren't aware and now strep that Doodo rocketship like he's off to the moon you. He's going to be collecting in big paydays now for the. UFC fight him. Well data wants to make him a star. I mean Dana White. He's an absolute czar. That's where this is. A bigger star is what I'm saying because he's got He's got a lot of the elements like he definitely plays up to the crowd. He definitely he's great. We get the media sound better than they. Ds who has his own brand media he he is fantastic at the media. Stuff the long flowing hair. He's got a lot going he's got he's got the added to really does he's got he's got the highlight. Reel knockouts outs. Now he's got big. Time wins main eventing card. He's in line for either title fight. Or maybe connor takes the bait that he so expertly laid in the post-match Konin so so we'll see he's definitely got an even bigger payday coming his way now and I'm sure I wanna see the by numbers because I'm sure this paper you did really well so my you know the sport far better than we do. Ah Nate Diaz when the doctor saying much I know but when when the dodgers are called the ideas that he was just starting to implement his game plan which was to me it was laugh out loud funny but I know you were getting beat for three rounds. Yeah but Nate Diaz has some of those come from behind miraculous. Zombie wins. He he's he is. He's very tough in that regard but I'm wondering does Mas but all have a history or a reputation of a guy who gets weaker in the fourth and fifth rats is that why ideas was saying that because maswadeh Moslem fantastic shape but to me. There was no way if that thing it wasn't gonNA last do more rats because Moscow is going to end it. Oh my husband was dragging him and he was ahead on the scorecards. This really really speaks more to nate diaz his reputation just sort of being like one of these Zombie fighters that you do has an unbelievable Chin and will keep fighting. That's why he's won over so many fans. I was a pro nate diaz crowd in Madison Square Garden. He wins over the fans by just being relentless never say die pulling winds out of certain losses. I I I love the Mazda. All is sort of a rising star dates thirty four. I think it's a great story for anime in UFC One thing. That intrigues me. I think Mazda husband was sort of a protege of the Miami Street legend Kimball slice rest a soul. I'd be curious about that next time Muslim. I'd love to ask him but yeah we've had we've asked him about his youtube fights are still out there. He was part of that whole Miami streetfighting scene. Yeah interesting I was open to have them on our this week. I think he'll be on the PODCAST. I I'm working on that on stupidity this week but I know he's GonNa come back into studio when Dan gets back. So that's Monday. I think it's Monday as they changed so Monday. It is still Monday. Right so Moslems. Next week it's studios obviously has time to justify our unreasonable salaries belly shabby. 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Tagger did not get the job. Done Kirk herbstreit. Just tweeted out that he has spoken to Bob Stoops and stoops is not not interested in the FSU jobs take him off the list. He was according to Bet online college. Football Brett mcmurphy tweeted this out. He was a five to one shot at taking that job. Yeah and there were reports out there that said that he was spotted in Tallahassee. Yes someone from. The soups family is now clubhouse leader even with Bob pulling out well the leaders right here so mark stoops has four to one. He is not the leader. Matt Campbell is three to one love that coach. Who is Iowa? Say from what I hear though he's more suited for the NFL. Right guys have really good coach. Okay so Matt Campbell. Three two one mark stoops four to one James Franklin five to one stoops was also five. I'm not certain why Franklin would leave Penn State to go to to Florida's high team the way not happening but not a better job than Than Penn State and they they just spend twenty million dollars buying Willie taggart out. I think Bob that's why I thought. Bob soups might go there. Because because I think that's sort of that you wanNA still have a big name. That'll please your boosters. But I don't know if you're going to be able to steal somebody from one of these big programs Matt Campbell's intriguing rigging but like I said probably his is more geared towards the NFL. Urban Meyer. Six to one but Paul Finebaum said there's no shot. OPTEL on your Myers waiting around. It's either going to be Notre Dame. It's going to be Michigan. I'm telling you he would do that. I know people say crazy. He would never do it no he would do that now at USC to me the obvious one an but now they're recent reports. They're not interested in them. I don't know why they would not be interested in urban Meyer Right. That's a quick fix for your program. That's been dying to get back to where it was. Listen very quick fix and then it goes down you know and and you'll be where you were but hey four and a half magical years have four and a half magical you a couple of national championships Egypt's then NC double A. allegations because you're in a major city. Then they'll decide. Actually I was saying I think Florida order states. A GR- a great job because you know the the negative is you. You inherit the Clemson roadblock in the same division but to me the ideal job is you WanNa take over over a program with with a pedigree with a history with a high profile but you want that program to be down so that you come in and you go eight four and you're a hero all of a sudden and then the second year you go ten and two and you're in a big bowl game in your on top of the world I think is a great job. Josh Hypo is seven the one dino barbers the Syracuse that coach papers or Babar's excuse babe on that rule He is at Baylor job turning around program that many thought had sanctions but never did despite fifty four cover-ups of rape and sexual assault weird very odd or piles hell tend tend to one Matt Role. Okay Jim Fisher fifteen to one. That's odd he's not going to Jim. Harbaugh twenty two one. Here's work it's interesting for me. I would love this. Ir Put a couple of coaches around offense coordinator defensive coordinator. Bobby Bowden is fifty to one. I'm making a bet. Yeah I'll take that bill. You would love that right. I mean who doesn't love Bobby where you think this is a Mac Brown thing all over again. Yes yes dadgum it. Yes yeah. How great would that be bobby? Bowden roaming the sideline not roaming standing on the sidelines again. For the Florida State seminoles. That would be listened. Some things are meant to be forever and that is one of those things again. There's all sorts of outlandish names on their one outlandish name that I'm surprised as on their main ideas actually graduated from. FSU Why would they want him. I mean his program is further along. Just if you look at the head to head matchups with Willie Taggart but the way Bobby Bowden turns ninety later this week. Good for him standing beside billy. WHY Head I've I heard this thing from one person who I think is trying to get it off the ground? It's it's odd that he is. We'll go ahead Mike. What I'm just hanging Lucy? uh-huh one they're right but you see me too excited a little your pussy. There's a little Zubov Mike. Did you see how good and prepared Miami. Lockton I say you want to recapture some of that Bowden magic who better than someone that was around those staffs who would date the. Um Joe Matt Campbell. Boy Can Dream our Snow Burger. Yeah Bobby Bowden actually silver. Let's get back into of egret orbit. You have your guides Gable Fsu. I I don't know if he is going to be in the Urban Meyer game just a program that the thing is a lot like Miami you know just even their titles. More reasonable finds a

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"Thanks for listening to the Adam Corolla show on podcast, one second half of the shows got news, Kyle sticking around and cracking wise. And we did get some clarity on this DM fee debacle. But also I possible happy surprising solution. So that's coming post-haste first, truecar sixty seconds. That's how long this commercials gonna last. You know what else you can do in a minute and get off on your car. Just go to truecar from your smartphone or your computer, enter your license, plate number, and watch your car's details, come popping up. Do it just for fun. Even if you're not planning on trading in your car selling your car answer. If you quick questions, get an accurate true cash offer from we were local certified dealer. Then you bring your car in check it out with you. They'll do it together as questions. Get answers. No surprise. Is leave with check over home of the check over. 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He also pointed out that he felt bound by the department of Justice guidelines, not to charge a sitting president with obstruction of Justice that doesn't mean a crime wasn't committed. But it also means he wasn't going to charge Muller's dress concludes his office's activities. He's done. He wants to return to private life. Now how President Trump. Yeah. Over, I think he. If you're wired like avenue, you want that limelight. If you're wired like Muller think you want to get back to your life. Tired, right? Wasn't he? They brought him out of retirement. Waldberg and sniper shooter. Whatever like one last, and this guy just wants to go out to Mexican food restaurant on Friday night, this old age, not have people come around his table throw, like a pig's blood on shout them out, such crazed world that everyone's just like I just want to get this when a move on. And to that point, you know with with the way William bar was saying, see said absolutely nothing happened. No collusion. They didn't go head to head. There wasn't like you know, Mullah was like way, way do a press. Commitees. It's not what I said, get out of here. He wants. He wants out Trump, you probably not going to socialize with him anymore. Now a loser boring. Goes back to tall Komi or all of them all. Moller's tall. I didn't know that. I've said commes very tall disgustingly, really. Yes. Trump look like a loser did not know that look like tiny man. Well, you're pretty tall guy. Right. That's right. Maybe I don't know or second tallest president foot six. Foot sick. I had like six three. That's what I've been down to pick up stuff. Oh during your fiscal you had that physical the physical perfect physical most. Visit. Wait a minute. You're that superman. Your little your little bit heavy for for your height. Now. What was your weight one? Twenty six seven foot sits, sir. I carry muscle. Wow. I thought we were talking about your weight at the time being a little too says, perfectly perfectly, okay? No. You have your own weight divisions. It goes hundred pounds hundred pounds. Wow. I did not know your that rate twelve while twelve Bates per hour while Colin guy, Yogi. That's what happens. We fall, the bottom of late. Yes, I was on Mount Everest climb that the. Caused the traffic jam up there. Wait a minute, every C E, you're always eating fast food as hot atop at the summit, you're eating fast food at the summit. Yes. Well, I didn't okay? I thought he can't take fast food. Okay. It doesn't run like Trump runs. Oh, you're like an army Jeep run on kerosene or gasoline, or Chanel number five, what have you putting it goes over hill? And Dale Helen day, whatever those not a hill. What's a it's like a kit and caboodle note, a kid is. But what the compute right? Yeah. What is a poodle? I don't know what to caboodle or Dale is. But we should combine caboodle Dale. I'm gonna out. Dal's caboodle. Loud to do that. Whatever I want to sign it. Everything. All right. Well, then give it a parcel to when people go. Just goes part, you know what about Baden paid for it just bought. I don't mind bought and paid for those pretty redundant. I don't like I could buy and sell you do that with any us truck or any by. That's now, your product Bill to sell it. That's how you man naked also neck and neck. They're both just. Trump to speaking span. Oh, I think he likes pick. No, no. No no one of your favorites. Okay. I get it. Now. Moving on quickly. I guess, here we well, the end of game of thrones hit fans hard. It also hit the actors in game of thrones, pretty hard kit Harrington who played the very, very famous and sort of heroic, Jon snow isn't rehab page six as the actor. He was Jon snow for eight seasons. He entered luxury. Connecticut facility before may nineteen the finale, I've been around so long now that kit Harrington, just feels like an amalgamation of names actors of heard over the last forty years every soap opera star you've ever heard of kit Harrington. Yes. Like when the Simpsons does Kent Brockman, like the news or the actor McClair McClair, this shelter feel like five people of known since falcon crest there. He's a human, but yeah, the you know what happened to kit. Harrington. Actor from the place. The wrestling kit. Harrington sounds more like a game of thrones name than John snow. So he is he is in a facility right now, dealing with stress exhaustion, a little elk abuse. The gossip sites that kit has been getting him on TMZ. He crossed the threshold, which was, you know, like when I shut next drew, they always say, like, am I now call is in and he'd go. Well, it's, you know, I have a couple of beers at night, but I do drink every night, sometimes on the weekends bench drink. And drew would always say it's not about the amount you drink. They're just thrash, thresholds. You know, if your boss is pulled you into office go. Hey, man. You're late. This is Trump is probably or you get a DUI whatever. Roll it up kit Harrington is not much was too drunk to play pool. He was like at a pun that's trying to play pool. They've told the stick by the wrong or push you get like a flower. The deal is if you're too drunk to play, you gotta problem that day was invented for our you, it health be wrong when you play pool. But if you're too drunk to play the game of pool you gotta check yourself into the bedding for to ball. Who's ball guesses on what this very nice facility in Connecticut costs a month. Oh, so he's just gotta get a room their apartment. Yeah. Well it's you're asking so it's gotta be expensive ticket insurance cover. So they Jack it up. I, I don't know hospital like a syringe to sixteen dollars. So we got our passages out. Here are promises. Forty grand grand a month. Brian is a little less than say twenty five that's cheap hundred grand Merrill, ago. How much echo? Doc. Oh million dollars a month. Well, President Trump to use the club golf club and other to that make sense. Sense. He was going the right direction. It is one hundred twenty thousand dollars a month. Wow. So he's bye. Yeah. He's usually rep says he's utilizing this break in his schedule as an opportunity to spend some time at a wellness retreat and work on some personal issues. Mac, Pat, you look up. No. I think it was yesterday's TMZ then starring. But there was some point where he's like in a pub in New York and he literally couldn't play pool. That's. That's. All the balls with the feted the stick you see crying when he when they're reading the end of game of thrones deal. Oh, we have him. We have four digit him being drunk to play pool. Yeah. This is from two thousand eighteen Jones. Oh. Whereas my who explaining weighing? Is trying to crash pool game. And then he ends up doing that move where he hugging you play pool explaining who he is. Right. Pushing headlock. Explaining. They're trying to pull them away from the table. Chill? He's just trunk my dragon. All right. He's in a bar. Yeah. Right. All right. Well, we wish to know more game of thrones forever. Well, yes and no gave thrones is over. But now I think they're working on up to like three spin offs. One is a prequel one is an follow somebody else's story. These are like, really new stories but I think that there's going to be a gold mine in the spin offs. All right. I know you're so super excited, you have DMV update for me. Yes, I have a very frustrating. The update for you, so she sunny, twelve show. Bring him with me so that we can get him learner's permit winning fifteen and a half said how we're I mean listen. What this woman that I spoke to told me is that there are no appointments, Glendale, Pasadena Hollywood. Los Angeles, El Monte. And I said in perpetuity forever for the rest of the year. And she said. Yeah. And that her theory is everybody is so busy with these lines around the blocks at these locations that no one has time to update the online system believe that and that additionally, even with the reservation system in place. There are still people lining out the door all these locations and so therefore, their theory is the reservation lines haven't really been helping them. Anyway, they're still dealing with locks lines around the corner. So why should they even ever do this? They're not even trying to enough appointments. Impression of you. If I worked at it. Bam more. But anyway. So Bashar number four, LA, we must pay California. We pay the most and gas I feel like I wanna hear that national like Daschle average is two dollars and sixty one cents player. Four dollars and twenty six cents at the place in the corner. Taxes gas more automotive related money than anywhere else just about, I mean, the mount, you have to pay to register the car and the taxes on the car and all the stuff the gas and everything else. See this whole deal of, we're going to draw a straight line between the amount of money you guys pay and what you get. I don't believe in that. I don't not believe there's a line there. Like we need more money for the schools. I would believe that if I thought it worked, I don't, I think you're going to get more money. I don't think you're gonna fix the homeless problem. The school problem, the DMV problem this notion of like, well if we charge another twenty cents a gallon of gas than we. Could alleviate that would be fine if you guys weren't colossal fuck ups, and if that were me it would work that way. But I don't believe you guys are going to do that. Because right now, we're off the top of everything in terms of gas and payments and roads and tickets and fine. You know, speeding tickets parking tickets were all at the top of the food chain in LA in California, and we get none of the DMV, and none of the roads and all the potholes, and none of anything else. So the notion of we just need a little more money. So we could fix this thing. I don't think so. If you hire, you hire more bureaucrats the school, you don't hire more, teachers, you hire more ministration of people. And then it turns new bigger swamp. Oh, by the way, just guess, who's website is efficient Johnny on the spot, and has no problems, triple. The, the L A department of transportation site where they want you. That is very that one. Never breaks down. It is interesting when they want something how they get their shit together. Easy. And I'm just gonna drive around with expired license. And if I could pulled over, I'm going to be like fuck you guys I what do you want me to do? I can't when we do go to Oregon to go find that the DMV like you don't have the visa that were quit my job. So I can renew my fucking license. It's kind of thing that it's two thousand and nineteen. This should be very doable. You should renew it August teeth in Monterey, perhaps, twenty-seven Napa. That's right. The way to do county. That's right. Come in there. I'm doing the Rolex storks and Monterey Matt. Let's see the have DMV because I'm going to roll in there in my fire suit, only gloves. All have the hood, pullover my hand I picture, I'll drive the nine thirty five Porsche there throw couple of rabs out front. I'll be like Travers test. Why don't know? I'm going to be Laguna Seca about fifteen minutes burning up the tracks really need to execute a three pointer. Interesting. I will do it in full fire suit, I will be in my fire ship. I will do that, obviously, gloved and fire suited. Sorry, so, yeah, that's right. -fornia double down on vacation trip or something. So awesome. We're going to wine country. Hold on. I gotta go the we're going on the boost train. Hold on. Let me swing by the DMV every nude, yes. Well, some good promising news for Alex trebek's. So he's fighting age four pancreatic cancer, which is a rough diagnosis. And he recently received some good news keeping very optimistic. He says he's responding very well. The chemo and his cancer is in near remission. The seventy eight year old told people magazine quote, it's kind of mind boggling. The doctor said they haven't seen this kind of positive result in their memory. Some of the tumors have already shrunk by more than fifty percent. I would tactfully say alixter back. We don't need you anymore. You have take your time. Thirty seven years of you on TV every single day for thirty seven years. We have five hundred million hours of. View on TV. We just don't we don't need you anymore. We have welfare UIL as whatever we want, and if we feel like we missed you can pick any decades. TV's been invented, and we'll see you standing got to be software or someone some genius did this, but can construct any sentence out of something Alex Rebecca said of the last anymore. We're there, we're there we can do with custodial figures and paintings and things like that. We there's enough a ham or week, he can stand right next to, to pock. You can open for to show on the rally. Yeah. But also, congratulations on your diagnosis outs. Yes. Oh, there's a DMV and see shied near Monterey miles from the track. It can't look as depressing that it's Monterey. I am going in there and my fire shit my helmet under one arm back. We'll see what I can do what you can do on a special episode of girly goes race. Film that will. All right. Well CNN reports that burnout is now a legitimate medical diagnosis. That's according to the world held on one more second true. I don't have to take a driving you won't. I don't take any, he's got a new picture and fill a little a couple things out. Okay. But I've been licensed in California for going on forty years. Not quite at forty years. I've been here for forty years with the license couldn't be handled on the computer. Like, there's really have to go in and talk to somebody like, what why couldn't this be handled via computer? You do also have to take an test. Well, they should be a notary public or summer AAA to hear that for a second. You can do do they have the new to have the new thing, arguing about a year ago. This is the new wave. I have my passport. So I guess I can use that when we went to Las Vegas for show flying, there could use my license flying home. I use my passport because I hadn't gotten my new license yet. So make sure you bring that with you so burn out is apparently a real medical diagnosis, now that is, according to the World, Health Organization, according to handbook doctors can diagnose someone with burn out if they meet these symptoms feelings of energy depletion or exhaustion, increased feelings of negativism or cynicism around one's job, and the inability to produce a desired result at work Trump, you gotta feel. I mean President Trump certain amount of burn out with job. I mean this has been the screws have been to you or the whole time. You've been. Bird out week too. Look, drp keep going champion winter losers losers. Burnett. Quit not yet, but I got burned out could imagine. I mean every day, turn on the news and somebody else is written a book or talking. Yeah. Something to do. I mean. I mean you know. Yeah. Like can have a few months off. I don't know. Vacation Iran's doing something good. Korea. Yeah. Everyone's thin. DMV the tea. And if you could get if you could make a phone call, I'll work at it. Jim the. The gems z z are all over the Z's. Yeah. Yeah. So doctors before making the call they should I rule out anxiety and mood disorders. And the diagnosis is limited to work environments. Specifically, this is about work burnout. Yeah. I think. I think it's fine, but you shouldn't be able to tap out until we've done you've done like a week of, like get up and take a hike before you go to work or meditate for twenty minutes before you had in or let's change your diet. And then we'll see where because I just feel like you stay up too late. You get a bad night's sleep. You pound a couple of donuts and go into work, and you already sort of. I was doing. You're halfway home, your pre agitated like your system is kind of your double, and well, it's sort of like what they say. Like when they go like, well, the guy got sick because he'd been burning the candles at both ends, and he was so stressed out that his system was sort of compromised. Right. You know what I mean, there's an emotional compromise to which is like, again like not doing what you need to do your online arguing with someone with Twitter. And then you go to work, your som- south compromise. So I don't know if you saw this, but the Chicago White Sox employee of the month had the opportunity to throw out the first pitch of the game on Tuesday night at guaranteed rate field. And unfortunately it didn't go super super well, going to have the clip playing while I talk about it and. The woman wound up throwing the ball super hard laugh and struck the onfield photographer right in the camera before bouncing off toward the catcher. The photographer Darren Georgia told NBC sports after the incident he didn't even see the ball coming to look apparently. He's told the outlet that the team photographer said that the pitch had never happened in his thirty five year career not cinch. Rich Eisen kick me the ask intentionally when I was long snapping for him. And Marshall Faulk and the NFL network has been such an atrocity with the ball. And you can, you can't talk me when people announce you can't come out of this fact, I know Elvis is alive, and nobody can talk me out of it. But you can't say it's not intentional because minus begs to differ. Now pretty obvious. I've seen them I got the Email last night. This is it's one of those weird things I have a wiring, which is like, I don't know. No matter how busy or how, whatever how rich I get somebody says, like once soft tacos, and I'm like, okay, like I'm into it. Now. I got the Email last night, saying we're playing the father, stay softball game at UCLA with Kimmel, I spend Father's Day with cable with Jimmy's dad, and I'm like Shaath ball UCLA. I'm already pre impre- into it. So I would never really plan a softball game. But the once a year Father's Day, softball over Kimmel. Speaking of breaking the cycle is Sonny even invited to this sunny is. Sonny's interesting in that he does not like baseball. And he doesn't like soccer team them boring sports golf, and all that kind of stuff is boring. He likes playing basketball and he likes watching football. He then comes to the game. And he then does he plays. No baseball in no, nothing. Any picks up the bat and he picks up a glove and each pretty good. And so the last time I talked to him, I said. Let me tell you something about the fatherly advice. It's, it's a two way street, because we do a lot of like, well, my dad never took the time to tell me how to do this, or my dad never taught me about the birds and the bees. And my dad, never told me how to shave or help me prepare for life as adult hood or how to be a man. There's a lot of that. But there's another part of that story, which is these fuck sticks. Don't listen to shit. You said, no one ever says that part notice apartment, the fucking person where you're trying to do the daddy advice fuck off grandpa, do my own thing. Like they don't tell you about the part where nobody listens. Just assume that these kids are, oh, they're just dry sponges dying. Dying earnings. No, it's quite the opposite. Like I look, we like drove home, and I said, you know, sunny who didn't make the basketball team at school and didn't make this team didn't make that team sports? He's really into it. He should be because he sees like LeBron James dunking the ball. And he's like, yeah man but you're not you can't do that. I said use wing the bat pretty good. And you look good reflects like I can tell and I went through it myself, which is I loved football. I focused on football all I wanna play was football but I was better suited for baseball, and I could have maybe gone further with baseball football. It was not suited for it just wanted to do it. So I said, don't make the mistakes your old man made. I know you like basketball, but you may be better suited for baseball, and you may make the high school team and even get a scholarship, and he's like fuck off and playing fort nine in my phone. That was the end of that love it. You don't love your son. Finally admits it. Maybe I'll just go to Maui with you. Can't would leave the kids at home. No k all right. I know you're not a fan. And I, maybe you're right. Maybe fans that you MS. Oh, you little worse than k. I'm not a fan of the Celtics. I feel differently about your children, even more -cation, you know, builds funny because you said, not a fan as you and I thought you're saying, you're not a fan of me. I'm eight years, I'm laughing. So I think you got it. Millisecond. I thought you're saying you weren't a fan of Adam Karol you, you. Ms. Fan of you. Yeah. Okay. That's funny. Because when I heard, yeah, I think you know what I do. Now. We're tight though. I love all you people people. Oh, you. Gene. Is there anything else in? So glad you asked. Mr. mar Uber. Passengers could lose access to the ride hailing app if they're rating is too low, according to CNN on Wednesday. The company said in a blog post, it will start to boot writers with a significantly below average rating, that's going to be for US and Canada, apparently the rating will be very kid Harrington's is providence kid Haratines at a pub. He's got a pool. Going to pick him up. Yeah. Yeah. Writers at risk for de-activation. We'll get several notifications chances to improve the rating before they're totally kicked out. But writers lose access to their account. They're also losing access to eats to the east, scoot or jump out. They're taking this very seriously. All look a mall for like a mall for this thing where look China's doing it like, hey, we have good citizens. We have Pat citizens. That's, that's what we're coming down to it starts with transportation like you punch out at TSA guy, and you get on a list, and you can't fly there's a reason we don't you know, you get into a fistfight on an airplane. You make it on list. You, you know you blow a snot rocket in the back of the head of an Uber driver one too many times, and they noticed you don't get to your yak in the back of the Camry because you're loaded, and I kind of generally. I like the way this plays out, like I liked the idea. It's a two way street, if you're an Uber driver, and you've got the ranchera music cranked up, and your Kurt and your dick, then you get a bad ranking, if I'm if I'm a passenger complaints, so much to EIB raided or doesn't gets out of the car before we've come the complete stop or whatever that is, then I get a bad young grading. Good. Well, I didn't know I was kind of late to the Uber thing. I know people everyone else would order the car phone, I had no idea. I was being rated. Oh, yeah. You can find your rating. We got no axe. Christie's, we both looked good day really nine. Good news for the law. You're looking up. You know, this is good news for this is good news for the drivers who are picking up the people who've been notified, the, the chance to make up your score. But just to let you know, you're on the cusp we, we cut to the inside of one of the you're the driver. Hey Yvonne, isn't Yvonne or Ivan either way hope brownies. Right. 'cause right. These are fresh out of the car, smells, good. I take it a step further. That'd be like, ooh, Brian Bishop, you're on a no. I suppose if it was, you know, made it worth might wile like you pull that at twenty. You're waving around the up could swing back because it got a lot of AAA rating people who are right like within striking distance of here. I'd be curious my feeling as a passenger is. I just need to be not cut off. I don't need to be at the top of the list, I have do you have a question for Brian Christie is either of yours better than a five? No rarely seen five. I'm a performance. Apparently, I've never do that. I think we've been drunk in the back of a car, the generous Tipper can we now do this like? Can we once you so will treat it like major league baseball? Which is if you have less than. I don't know fifty or one hundred plate appearances for the course of the year. Oh yeah, they will qualify for the batting time. You don't get to batting. You don't get a four forty seven batting tile with nine plate appearances, we need least, fifty plate appearances are probably ever something. It's at least one hundred at least one hundred now it's it's because the league leaders will have seven hundred right. But once hundred once you once you get to one hundred maybe. The title three hundred three hundred. Rule of thumb is if you're leaving a bar with a group of noxious friends don't put it on your over account. Can we take the hit for that? And we can we say, once you've had more than one hundred or will lower it. Once you had more than fifty Uber rides or interactions. Can we just take your Uber score for life? Who what I'm saying is that if I'm if I'm on a dating website, and I'm like, how it's this person like everyone's fuck and got a smile on claims there. You know all the chicks love to cook, and they're tomboys and love fucking spending. A football Sunday, having some IP as and barbecue and their boyfriends jersey, nothing nothing further from the truth than what they're putting forward and the guys like I love long walks and eating pussy on long walks and it's like it's nothing. Nothing is further from this you get on my shoulders. You face the wrong direction. We we've never stopped walking, but then. There's two real them later on till you feel like that. Uber rating is a nice little slice, like, when we're going to look at something under the micro microscope, we need a little tissue sample like this person's been with over they've taken a hundred your rating, and this is a good this person a pain in the ass. They're not selfish of just the UCF five you go. I can date that person. That is a. Well, let me tell you a doctor's wife wouldn't get a five. Now, there's no five for Susan Pinski. I guarantee you that that's when your high made and you can't be a five it'd be like high maintenance or picky or pain in the ass or verbally. Whatever bad drunk at the very, it's a good indicator of how good are about a drunk, you are, because let's say at least half the two trips. Dacre inebriated, the reason you're restaurants. Sure. All right. Planes. You can look that up. And you look up everyone stuff. Yeah. We're getting the staff, and we're trying to log into your account. All right. I have the answer to the plate appearance thing, but oh, okay. Hit Castrol edge. I heat friction viscosity breakdown. Rob your engine of maximum performance at results in a loss of up to ten percent performance. Castrol edge engineered with Louis. Titanium technology transforms it'd be stronger pressure helps fight friction deliver maximum levels. Performance from your car three times three times food, hunger discussing breakdown. The leading full synthetic oils cash allege unlocked, the troop performance cars engine to day. So number times the plate to qualify for that title three point one per game played, which equals five hundred and two for the now. They're not kidding. But the league leaders have like seven hundred now I get it. I just thought you know, some guy was injured and missed like a quarter of the season or something like that, that they just set some, like threshold of like three hundred or even one hundred or something because it seems like a large enough sample size, but they're not messing around. All right. So you pretty much have to play every day. I'm looking at mine, and I'm just kind of going through I've never seen this before. And I'm seeing all these fun and feeling good. Then hold on. I see a one. I'm like, what the hell did. I do. April thirtieth two thousand fifteen me a chick, well, well apparently setup. I mean a gal. Yup. Woman if your hill, thank you, apparently when I was in the United Kingdom and I tipped zero pounds that didn't happen. So somebody must have a break into my Uber there. I got my once your radio. Writing is rating four point six one. That's not good. Since. Chris, my rating when to everyone, you can do it is there to look on lift, you can look at other people's writings. Wow. Okay. Pretty much. I always traveled with Mike, so Mike August. It's always. Yeah. Nights years, isn't coming up. So I think if you haven't taken at bats, and also. I try to use Uber once a year. And it's like says view got a log into your count. And I'm like you have the password. I'm like, now I was like, all right. I tried. It doesn't technology doesn't really work from after travel with people have technology. More accurate to look at August score. All right. Let's do one more. All right. Well, Iggy azalea, the trillion rapper said in a statement this week that she intends to press charges after topless photos from two thousand sixteen g Q Australia photo shoot leaked online, by the way, her real name amethyst, Amelia, Kelly said, in a now deleted tweets, the photos were apparently outtakes from the shoot they were never intended for release the photographer vent to Instagram and said they were stolen he did not put them up. They were taking without permission. She de-activated her social media after flood of inappropriate comments after the topless photos came out people reported that Zalio that there was no reason topless. Outtake should've ever been saved after the shoot and should not have me about it is she? The first office she hot. I'm trying to figure it out. Like I can't she's one of those, she's tall and trim and has booth she's good looking. But I can't figure out if she's thinking that also as white or hot or not hot or not. And I don't know. I know she's like should have. She said, kinda like she's an official card Ashi like she just dates, the brothers, but I don't know. Oh, swaggie. What she is. Oh, that's a good picture. She looks good there. Yeah. Jeffy like you. Set some weird bows. I think. Oh, wait. Did she date one of the Lakers? That's right. That's right. Yeah. Dawson is Uber power rankings Dawson four point nine Ceylan four point eight nine. So he's way off the pace. Brian is four point eight six AMI is four point eight six Chris's four point eight five and Gary four point eight one do, that's all. Feels really bad, Matt's a four point seven six. Matt. Would you do? Now how the fuck do. I the lowest. Here kidding me. Are these, I think it may be just volume. Like I you know, you're heavier carriage. Your mileage is going to be affected that's going to shave a couple of points. You know what I mean? You got the four banger Camry Matt polls in. He's got a belly full of beer and Nacho chips and the car, slings back a little, and the guy's, like, yeah, this is going to cost me, an extra forty fifty cents to get this guy across town. Look, it's simple. Simple. Mass personally, don't have you're Bill. You gotta drive you to the airport. You're going to use point one percent more fuel than max Pata, and that's going to hurt your rating, so believe it's that, okay? Also, what about shocks? What about spring? What about bushings? What about suspension components? You know what I mean? It's all being worked just a little too much. Look, those things only last so long before they need to be rebuilt. Yeah. They're not saying you're not a nice guy. Now. It's the carrot really. I really do. It's gotta be hit. It's gotta be hard about this. Yeah. Well, I saw Mr.. Hold on final ear. Look, I'm not I'm not saying you're fan of saying you have a sturdy build. I'll think about it. Well, maybe instead of just thinking about it. You know, Denning it's at four point six. Oh. Got a four point compare self against him against you. Yeah. I didn't say fuck or even fat. I mean, literally Shen what's going on with the DMV? You're on hold for like three hours. Yeah. I don't know. Man. I don't know what the phone doesn't hold. Well, king online and make me an appointment Yam out. I'll I'll look into that. Yeah. Well, but I asked you to look into a two days ago. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, no, no. We'll get to the DMZ and a couple of days. Man, I said two days ago. Yeah. No not ten days from now, you gotta bus cherry, today's mala will have you down the DMV. Okay. I, I need you to ride a Email to Kimmel too. I, I had a pin here. Go ahead. Got a pen, paper was the boss. I like it when you type it because I feel like sometimes when you write it down a little translation issue. I know I'm good. I'm good. I'm good man for point six put night. All right. Well, all right, Jimmy. Hey, that thanks for the Jamie. Thank you know, this Jimmy, thank you, Jimmy Jimmy. Okay. Got it me Jimmy Kimmel Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah. Thanks for the birthday late night guy. You know. Yeah. See fallon. No, no. No Fallon's different Fallon's got boss. Well as name is Jimmy. I need him to talk. Get busy crying. Let's have it. Let's have an organic conversation. Sure. What the fuck. Yeah. Man. I mean, I can't even believe that happened. All right. So do you think you could make me an appointment? All let Kyle. Reload second. Do you think I could get an appointment at the DMV which is in z Hebel beach or seaside, eight miles away from Laguna Seca the track? That's correct. And it actually perfectly located halfway between where you'll be staying where the track is you have the place on Wednesday. I can get you a DNB appointment on Thursday. Oh, everything's working on. The track. And where you gotta be in by Wednesday, June nine teeth will have you there? Zips apps up. All right. Talk to those Airbnb guys. Let's get the cable satellite running this year. Phone. You know, it's the cable and the DNB's halfway between where you gotta be boss, and we'll get you your outfit and the. I might wear the fire Sudan because we are going to qualify there is practice Thursday morning at the track. So I technically will be going to the track, and I'll speak getting into my car. So what's this penny right down the date? Between but I'm not sure the, the race I think will be like August seventeenth eighteenth someone there. So it's gonna be there is it. I'm not talking about my caucus, but me Mike August. No. He may be there. But don't bring up. Mike august. In august. Okay. Okay. And make that appointment at the DMV. Yeah. Okay. All right. So what do read me back? The Kimmel Email came around that, okay? Got Jimmy Kimmel from the late night. Mike August here. No, my hold on. No. The Kimmel emails a separate Email. The damn be we're going to the D B with Mike August. Jimmy Kimmel DMV going with the event events in August. Okay. The DMV is in between halfway between those two Airbnb gay the studio in the area. No. Not. No Laguna sake. Okay. Yeah. I'm losing impression you're really not, realistic the rainbow. All right Jeanne. Let's do. Let's do one. All right. Well, Netflix has a new movie called the perfection. And apparently, it's making everybody sick viewers. Reporters boxes frigging everyone out, I thought is this just, you know, this is a publicity who cares. Well Kaelin says he got pretty sick. I looked up the reviews and feel like you know what I had to turn this off. So it's Allison Williams has kind of that get out, thriller, vibe and people reporting, headaches and nausea, even vomiting after watching this movie there's a pretty gory scenes. So Allison Williams initially Charlotte. She's an elite cellist who travels to Shanghai from music competition. She bonds with another prodigy name, Lizzy, and Charlotte and Lizzy head off on this road trip through the Chinese countryside. After Lizzie down some IB appropriate for a hangover. Well, that's when things get a little nauseating, everything. Well, projectile vomiting, and bugs and all this stuff, it's making people super sick, too. Watch and Allison Williams, even set her parents, NBC legend, Brian Williams, and TV producer. Jilin Stoddard said they're having a hard time stomaching their daughters latest rolls. My personal. Nine eleven was when my daughter was on the hit HBO show, girls and that boy, eight out her asshole, but that happened. Wow. Yes. True story. Did not know that. Can I share this? When we when somebody either names, a band or names, a horror movie, and take one of the letters and put them backwards in the middle. Can we all decide no moss? That's no longer clever. Seven did the number seven of the metal that done once a now everyone does I don't know. There's a there's a thing where you go. We'll take one letter in this word. We'll face it the wrong direction and that's going to have a lot of symbolism. But I'm like, I don't know. It's neither here nor there for me and seen it done so many times and bands and any anytime trying to get a reaction. Letters faced around Iraq. Jim don't mess with that. Do real. Yeah. What is that? With the also anytime I have to stop and go in a minute. What am I missing missing? I feel I feel that way about Charles Scholtz like I stare at the fucking peanuts. I'm like, I'm not. Okay. Luc- is working at a therapy stay and Linus has asked for therapy. And it says their advice one quarter, and she said, I don't make change. That's funny. She talking about change a motion officially not done your job, it minute twenty third street squares, and I'm still staring at it wondering if there's a joke that I missing you fucked up, and you taking letters face on the wrong way spooky. It's just I feel like it's been done so much, it's, it's supposed to get a reaction but it doesn't work. It makes me feel like oh, it faces that way. Then it's a, a b or three. Or is it something else? I'm totally with you. And I think this is another thing to Beck up my theory that Netflix is now specializing in movies, for people that don't watch a lot of movies, like bird box figures all out, but it was like, mildly, you know, odd. Visit. Visit sick. I'm sure it's a little bit. Historic people old east backward. Twist hit, it's, it's probably just, you know, someone who did this for twenty years, be prepared for bird box Christ. Eminem dozen. Yeah. That was my point. That was two thousand one. Yeah. That's not. He might have spearheaded. He took his e faced at the wrong way, the same way they took their Ian. Face the wrong way and this hour only sold forty million and it's like, that's my thing, if I'm sitting in the room, we own, like somebody did this and then they did it before us. And I don't know why they did it. But I don't know why we're doing it. But at least someone didn't really do it before him fifteen years ago. Yeah. The Eminem show from what year I'm guessing one couple. All right. We'll figure two thousand two had a seventeen year head start on. All right. Let's bring it home baby. You got it. I'm Gina grad. And that's the news. His gay porn stuff is harder than it looks. The news with Gina grad last, but not least simply safe, you shouldn't feel unsafe at home. No one should feel unsafe at home. That's why they're simply safe with two is everyone protect your home today, and get free shipping. It simply safe to is simply save dot com slash Adam. 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Stick around damasec Adam Corolla coming up with today's episode good sports right up this. Checking. Broadcast warned sports network prisons. Good sports. Sinaloa sports fans. Welcome to another episode. Good sports. Dave amateur here, Adam Karol over there ace. I wanna talk about boxing, a little belatedly and been now week and a half cents a spectacular. I mean really one of the great knockouts I've ever seen. Obviously, you've seen a lot more Prizefights than I have wilder. But the Ontario wild or knock out to me, felt like something when Tyson was in his climb meets clubber Lang is he ran through the heavyweights on his way to Balboa. Where did that one rank for you? Well, it's an interesting thought of always Deontay wilder is, you know, six seven maybe six eight, I don't know six seven and you know, but he's only, you know, two hundred and thirty seven pounds or something like six seven to thirty seven. How's that compared with Lennox Lewis? Lennox Lewis was the biggest heavyweight champ. Rider was about six six and clinch. Five, six six and sturdier build. Yeah, while there's listed here at two thirteen o that light. Yeah. He's analyze really white fur heavy. We'll tell was homes was he six six. Homes was probably like six four considered. Very tall for his his era. Anyway, go ahead. All right. So the interesting thing, we're watching, you can stop care. Thanks. The interesting thing about mechanical movement is. The guy so six six six seven to fifteen to twenty you know, Tyson was to eighteen and he was five ten so. That it's like Darrell strawberry hitting a home run. When a guy is very tall and very lean in very angular, you seek clearly the mechanics of what he's doing when the guys built like Ron say or Steve Garvey, or something big forearms, kinda short and compact. You don't really see the full mechanics of it. The mechanics are on display when you're longer because you have to use the mechanics to generate the power because you don't have the muscle mass. So Tyson had great form. But watching a guy like strawberry hit a home run. You'd see the full torque and the twist and the power that was generated by lower half and a guy like strawberry at six four and one hundred eighty seven pounds does not have the muscle on him to hit a home run. Minus the crazy. Mechanics. So to me, the best home runs are the best knockouts put the mechanics on full display. I didn't know which I didn't know which side you going to fly mechanic. So the guy who six seven whose two hundred twenty pounds knocking the huge man out, you see full mechanical movement. The other in the best version of that I'm still trying to figure out when Thomas Hearns knocked out, Roberto, Duran, it is funny, because that's exactly when you're talking about long and lean that's exactly what I was thinking about earns with it was. So it was such a clinic, it's if you are ever trying to teach a young person how to box or just punch a stranger. I will include that group show them earns knocking out, Roberto Duran and not only was it great in the mechanic department. But he threw a couple of taps to the body. He threw threw to just throw away left hand taps through the body like tap tap. Tap tap, boom. Oh, that face. I fall is. I don't if I don't think you can do better than this knockout, because the two taps, down Pap and reverted Iran had a granite chin. So you're not knocking out some tomato can Deontay the guy he knocked out was not a direct report. Oh, durant. It's funny because in, I guess, in the most fundamental athletic movement. If you're thinking about lifting weights, it is an unfair advantage for the short guy to do a bench press versus if you have long arms like it's a little bit of a cheat like little guy. He's pretty strongly. Yeah. You only have to move his arms that much to get the thing to go up at full extent one hundred stay one hundred percent. So I got. I got I got Thomas hitman Hearns number one. Ray rice. Tell you what, here's another one. How about the knockout, packing skip by my Raymond? Friend caring making up for my miss on that one. Carries the light at our that's not funny gear. Come on. Serious ranking is talking about something dressing something, and you're biz back, there laughing, let me say this in terms of bench press, and how many reps you do the to twenty-five combine, or just a guy sets the record. Tell me if you're with me on this one, you cannot participate in this competition of how many reps you can do, if a guy if you can't reach the bar, where it rests on the bench press if somebody has to it entree and handed to you Nolan void because your movement, is seven and a half inches. You got the guys big barrel. Chest super short arms to see them. Do that. That's not a full color me on impressed with your thirty reps of two twenty five. Right. These are the people have the I don't know what, what goes on what has happened. What's happened to the push up? Like I try to get my son and I go do a push up and he goes, he goes down about four inches. It comes down to the ground touch your nose touch your chest all the way up lock it out, bit Mon. And they're like, no, we don't do that. Our teacher, and they do some weird lie. That's exactly been my experience. What are the what are they doing in school that they don't even teach you how to push up anymore up push up is like, hey, hands about shoulder width, the little more palms flat chest all the way down straight not. But up in the air dick dragon good name. Senator. He's a Republican for Mississippi addict, dragon. New, he'll in the WWE dick dragon, right? I give my son I got in this argument, my wife like a few years ago like his, but was in the air is thick with down. He wasn't straighten yourself out. He's not doing it right, Lynn. That's like you leave him alone. Leave him alone. It's a piece like this is how you're not doing a push up is what I'm saying. This is a push up you go, you plank out straight you go down all the way you come up, you lock your elbows one. That's how we do it. Not weird many one yet. Right. With your butt in the air down dog or knees on the ground. What's, what's going on in this shit? Oh. And it's such a good potential discipline. I'm really thinking about this now out loud. And I wonder if this is I hope not close to any form of child abuse, although I wouldn't be surprised if somebody accused me of that, I think when your kids are bad. That's no longer the military does drop and give me what a good punishment come to give it for your kids. Now you have to do twenty five pushups for your for your poor behavior. That me get except they wouldn't do it. Right. And so then they wouldn't learn any lesson, I've been very upfront with Lynette, which is when I'm traveling when I'm on the road when I'm doing. Doing a show and Boston or Denver Seattle or wherever and I'm out burning those calories on Saturday night. Ninety minutes up say onstage, sweating through my undershirt. I don't need you at home buying sushi for the table. That's money going out. I'm over here trying to get some money. And my thing is for the ninety minutes, and I've told her this, and she understands for the ninety minutes, I'm going to be on stage. Sometimes there's a time difference. I'm in Boston. I'm on stage at eight o'clock, and maybe five o'clock could do them. I just need you to run in place. And. And. A weirdo. Because people are like won't run in place. For ninety minutes of then, do some push-ups, go, inbetween jumping jacks may took a hit off the squirt bottle. I'm not a maniac on the saying or the nine minutes. I'm on stage. I wanna know. The cheer. Burn calories fear. It's a nice message to send to you while you're sweating toiling for the family. So to sheet, I think she appreciates. Yeah. I know. Let. I know she may say, otherwise, but the down. Sheesh screams, you're fuck nut and threatens divorced. But I know I know her level maybe on some level, you know, her better than she knows. I think I do. Let me tell you about gyco. Everybody's got it to do list drop off, the dry, cleaning pick-up some milk. Do stand up in front of a crowd of two thousand appreciative fans or run in place for those same ninety minutes now you can add save one hundreds or you know what hundreds and hundreds of dollars on car insurance, and you don't have to drop off, or pick up or jumping Jack anything all you have to do is go to Geico dot com. And in fifteen minutes, you could be saving fifteen percent or more on car insurance to put that into perspective. 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Macklin & Nelson discuss Tyson return & top trash talkers

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Macklin & Nelson discuss Tyson return & top trash talkers

"Hello and welcome to this week's of Ringside to-to-to a boxing. Podcast exclusive discuss sports. I'm Andy Score back with the original lockdown club members of Jodi Nelson and Matthew Matt thin as has become the new normal recording on a well-known videoconference website tests are. We're in certain all the usual display about the sound quality. Lots to discuss this week but first reactions. Boris Johnson's message on Sunday is not a political show other Review to feel you have to our team will. It didn't didn't say one of the news lines that came out is chink of lie about step to June first Behind closed doors attention. We're going to be allowed Waste been quite outspokenly. doesn't really matter when the time is right. The Tony's riot What did you take from or sit on Sunday Sundays? It is adds all of all road to boxing of calls as no matter. What Baris said or didn't say Sunday? I think he was going to get criticized for evil way yet. It could be confusing in Augusta. How you take a news but fossil tolkien south Today I think Is a glimmer of hope. Say Riot last. Now we've got somebody to be four to promote is in the Boston Globe can save intended of starting fights from June. Whatever it meant nothing until the government said you know right. Now you're free to to roll so there is light at the end of the tunnel. I think he stakes not clear at least a Li- Slowly but surely Things God willing in desbarats doesn't make yourself very opponent again again in our world. I think we could probably look at realistically August. I in my opinion August on To to get a a normal ish show my bravery to be the first promotes. Aw to want to do a annot Dana Wire and the UFC did it in Florida over the weekend watch that and it was a good spectacle. There was the worry of a of testing posted After the way and we'll have to wait and see a couple of weeks time will happen to the rest of the promotion but some have gone out there and and tried it. I done know what you made of Sunday. And if you took it as a positive and just because they say we can do. It doesn't necessarily mean we all do but what do you think once you switch to take you on Sunday. I thought he was quite contradictory. Photographs mixed messages. Relay eight you can do. They speak Condu- that gentleman who was kind of giving giving us a bit in the next census for let's focus in on the boxing point of view. It's I think China's now I'm I think boxes that WANNA get out using the gene on their trainers training them as long as they're not seeing anyone else in the road seen each other in the job I think he's given the great log volumes next to get back into Jin start trying at least working with. They're trying to whether or not they can spot or the people. I'm not sure about because it gets it was the less qualified buyers can certainly GonNa get back into gymnast the bags and things so I mean that's going to bring forward the date in terms of when we get back out that 'cause you know even if they said tomorrow okay you can put on boxing shows you can broadcast etc the Has that been self always alight? Still GonNa need among six weeks. Maybe eight weeks every depending where even if that big themselves physically During the road works maybe do some body white circuits or whatever the still going to need four to six weeks of boxing trying inspire and etc. So if they're going to have any kind of meaningful anyway I don't want to risk decorations and their ranking ago in ill prepared so I think from that point of view. This is a bit of green conceived by the tunnel tons of the economics the logistics of putting on a show that the be a lot more complicated. I mean you're GONNA have a we're all GONNA go down and put on a show behind closed doors all the media all the medical border control staff. All the participants in that teams are all going to have to be tested. Then we're going to have to quarantine to make sure that we haven't gone out and mixed with anyone else. Then we're GONNA have to do the fights gentleman. I think it's I think he's going to be. A logistical. Nightmare is organizing again dealing with that book. Listen I think this is a bit out of the back in? Did you try and incite from that point of view? I think certainly brings things a little bit narrower. Yeah I mean it would like I think Johnny Away says they take it day by day instead. What step but certainly feels like? That's step one and we'll just have to see how it plays out now the next couple of weeks so Let's have a quick roundup of the news. Matt you're on the box in show loss where we've tasty Taylor who spoke radio Brian Pizzas and how it got like about what this I wanNA put out. The bad news line was was the three flights that she wants to go out on but the three five that she talks in system in which is Amanda Serrano. Which is the one that we thought we would say. Next succeeded brockhouse a kite. As a question I vote what they would do. The Abbot probably one of the greatest women. Fox's will if not the greatest fame pursued who we want to see the rematch. Those three nine so good to hear her list of K. Tyler's don't everything to do. You set goals. You have me while champion. She's done that. She stepped away in Welsh in the second way. Obviously we don't have to talk about that was just just absolute greatness notes. She wants to cement self Legacy used the word legacy and you know she mentioned that Mohammed Ali Kenny. No then old before county remember was nine four woman in Illinois kind of back to back period of time so she literally wants to go into the Serrano for the practice. I'm in the rematch. We pursued I mean. That's that's a hectic lineup Johnny We spoke with Coa last week about The heavyweight merry go round and fury Waldo Fury. Aj could it be? Saudi Arabia could be December. We left it by saying that that could change within. Could we change within twenty four hours and he did on Friday? I came around Bo. Barham as kind of ruled out the Middle East for Fury Malda. And he's now saying join them. Cow In a throwback that the heavyweight championship rounds at the highest bid is back in the day and we ended up with Zairean Of A glamorous places. Macau they have done. fights out there before top. So you could. You could see it fury wild against to Macau think. They'll they'll go where the governor go and money at like you know as a fan Quite shoot of every right to be upset and disappointed as a fighter. A spokesman You will do something Nice. Let's easy for us to say. Don't do it too. Don't while our own turf or whatever but these guys remember that that that career is so small as a small window that if I make as much as possible and the mile where they find a world. It could seem not homeless. You get in the ring. I think for for this to happen. This is show business in the business side is making the most of this business. They can make of it. The show is you'll still be able to see the show and you still watch the show regards. Diplomacy Salmon. Avoid watching it. Because it's it's not And he's taken boxing to to the Falcons af he's saying anyway and anyone and tomatoes is if there's a demand for it as a fine from someone in the industry it's good rose because it means people all over the world. I want to see this as well. So exclude selfishly prospal as a fan stand the frustrations again. I think pays the most Logistically possible I think even politically. I think it's probably not the right thing to be done in. We'll be they'll go with the dollar it's again that's that's all. You've had a busy week on twitter instagram this week. Johnny because we've caught it out Tyson clip of him grabbing the end of the he's in the news at the moment About a charity I And he's released that clip on the pads. I'll have to say the clip on the is brilliant. Whether or not you didn't want to see him in a in a Reagan edition wise or eat you end up with a potential opponent. Ngoni now if the phone rang no chance in hell. Let's just hope you look at Tyson. Look at me you look at my look at. Oh we'll all brilliant. Let me turn to combination on the pats but last chase after the pessimists on the combination to lead us our legs in the ring. Somebody Watson is Mike Tyson when he's letting the shops go. Wow in against somebody that can move with over. Mike Tyson's He's fifty three years old. Mike Tyson stands. That won't thing you can play with. Is Agent time the thing that made my tights and so it resistible so intriguing so enticed was? He's unpredictability? So could you see they see Mike in an exhibition talking taking time? Not trying to take someone out now you call. You just can't see it because it takes takes away that the edge what you'd want to see. I think a great idea I think is Great. Notional great imagination. I think Mike Tyson realistically like Nigel. Bendik were realized. He's training down. The road is a making could be recovered after the injury had got on last week by usually at me. Twenty four hours to get over it. I think you realize is. There's a lot more into this than you expect. Your head knows exactly what you gotta do. Your body's reminds you can't do that anymore. So so what we say that Mike. Tyson's the great little clip but in reality. Boxing is a young months. Vote and if you have paints unfortunately pace will beat experienced. If you're too old for it my on part of the problem so if you said some may do you agree with it. Absolutely not knows yet. We shouldn't even be contemplating if you ask me what I watch it. Of course that's human nature is like seeing a crash on the other side of the might Swaggie don't WanNa look of Kucher end up looking almost person botched mayweather against tension the exhibition When he walks or whatever it was an watched it felt. I couldn't miss it the problem as people want me. And should we ever Julia cad? When people ask you say absolutely not terrible idea wrote a you along with it. That in a person in the next edition is the worst thing in the world. Now I think it is Johnny Marr. Some people can mess Serandon SPA and take your easy so people can't some people just go full looking same hitting the pads that Choices never thrown at safety tempe shot and he's like every time throws a punch the binding tensions beyond the you know he's looking to knock always heads clean off. His is a power. Puncher is explosive. The reason OATS TOPIX. issues sparring partners Toys isn't someone that can have a SPA voice. We sixteen or eighteen hours clubs on head. God's he's he only knows one. Why and that's the go go for the jugular. That's that's he's mentality killer instincts so exhibition a march. It just three words that do not go in the same story that long the same sentence the poem is going to be clamoring for and once he starts in her fieldstone. James toney starts. Getting Personal Room sells out. Is George Foreman and join you? Don't spend too much Tony but you will massively qualified any subject because widely known isn't feel free to say that we want to talk about it. But you genuinely made strides towards thinking about coming back and Fight Marco. Hook a few years back at Saying goes far sparring. That's why what I talk about this. I know because of one. Those shoes dance that dance normal center up in the middle of the dance floor. And I'm thinking I know that when I was training this With with Hoke at the only reason why I wanted to that fine I think combined for only for that because I knew my pace would sue. Vox Pfizer for me to come out a winner. Ninety two stood stayed in my lane and so went ahead and Japan was coming when I hear old time fights a kid. You wait till you get liberated injury and realize an injury got over. Twenty four hours takes a lot to weeks to get over now. We've got an old and getting open them on and is no longer. Aziz's what you think is going to catch up if you don't mind. Is that why you abandoned? The comeback. Didn't come always why. Because he chose another opponent if we offered him six hundred thousand and the end up fighting in America the first time he bucks out all bounce on the box two hundred fifty thousand dollars and got knocked out and what saying that. The reason why is because I knew we don't need defended his title sold so if you go back on the comfort of home. I thought once he steps out you don't country he'll be exposed. That's what happened when I was training for it. It was hard. Might kill US killing me by low. Say it may all the things I kind of ignored when I was a young fight commits through also became very relevant. So I was kind of happy the Because new if you've got through defy out of suffered massively physically afterwards that's why we might. It's fun hitting NEPAD. It's flown by doing the training particular when there's no real purpose identify but when you've got to depend on this because remember box and when you get in the ring is the only place you can legally get killed. And this what brands use the saints. Say Too so you've got to be small. What you do in meant showing position to take care of yourself and defend yourself all times and I think when he got older. The chance of doing that becomes a slimmer And a chance of getting a become higher on the reality all Mike Tyson. I don't know what it's financial situation is his skin and asking a two different skits so so skin from three hundred million and he might be down to his last know. Sixty million understand. Why you doing this? What's on doing? These guys are financially of stomach themselves. Someone to live at this stage. Authentic going in box and get immersive back in boxing to actually fine again. It's very dangerous to comical caveats before we go to tilt the book into Adam. Smith gathered US around the type with bad an office team. If it was a good idea that you should come back we should express off gold in fight. I didn't think it was a good idea but didn't WANNA say so ended up so as I say no. There is a good idea but not saying it was and the second point when we went depose. Smith and all the Abraham in Germany. Who was this and you bumped into the hotel over lunch. Which was fine. There was like a little bit of back and forth. I it was like there was not yet. It is not real love us. I didn't think it was GONNA kick off or anything. But when we got to the flat Rena we decided that we'd prerecord him together for ringside and the sounes really loved it but actually he. He wasn't particularly across as a nice guy across as an go. Not unless he wasn't seeing the funny side of it even though he was smiling because there was a little bit of a push pull wasn't there and I was standing behind you and I got pushed treats and I thought at the time there is a good idea and then straightway realize it was a terrible idea. Then just two moments where you think like. I thought that'd be good Idea there to moments where actually hit the ground swollen me personally about. I remember that meets on joining. It was awful and now the thing is i. Actually I ate makes me laugh because and I don't mind I've got skin like a so. Also Wendy laughs about the delay on file he'll say Enzo was GONNA do. I actually laugh about it because because one thing I land on Wendy said Johnny. You've done it so it doesn't matter what anybody says you donate so so on the you know so so give him the grace lever make nerd so whenever I actually still you will say no. And then when knocking could've could've laugh about it now but I remember medecin thinking. Oh my God. That was the worst. I never thought I liked. You actually loved being in the position where people didn't expect to with And even if they still believe that I actually think it's a macy's feeling to say It off again that was. That's the challenge. Good good only last week. We were full steam ahead for big step aside cash being thrown around an AJ fury in Saudi in December did say everything can change in boxing and Acoust-. It did and we'll idiots talking about it for half an hour talk. President told. The book is Poured Code Rules on our as Adam. Smith go up this week and he was quick to dismiss the reports. It's just chatter in my opinion I think inherently the objective for everybody live up to the commitments. They both had And keep it simple in. They both get the those. Let's go ahead and do it if that was early. Twenty twenty one. That's great but I think that's what the the the circumstances were chatters for coming back is because of this caused events it. Kinda raised a way. Why don't we just go to one another? But I think the inherently the Joshua would probably have to do his mandatory left and a fury would five wild during fault. Otherwise we're talking big step aside for a Lotta different policies here and that's not easy. That was the old way of of how people made matches right in. Today's world where you have global paralysis. You have most world economy's on their heels. I'm not sure that the economics are setting up for that type of that type of model therefore you know time is on our side time helps of you know is going to help the economies recover time is. GonNa help consumers get more confidence. Time IS GONNA help for events going from homeless to with fans and I think that makes the easier progression of doing it in the order of those guys taking a fight and then going right to a match thereafter. Where was the big one bait? Where Joshua fury being in your eyes went. Where would you like to have it in America? Because that's always you're you're you're setting fury or do you think the UK Saudi Arabia's be mentioned places are GonNa be more favorite. What would you recommend? I think that the success of the big events the biggest events in the history of combat sports have originated from America. The fights sites zip so I keep going back to that. We've seen that be very successful in the fans are connected up. Obviously the pumps are closed with the fans. Gather around you it so my heart of hearts tells me that you know that would be the that would be the ideal place but obviously we would be open to any any side in any prospective dynamic that would be different to dismiss. The Room is just chatter and says step aside. Money is a tactic of the old world of boxing. The current climate changes all of that Matt. You know top ranked very well through your own career in working with colonies with the now a tactic of the Old Road of folks. I'm not so sure. Tell us now. I think everyone's just posturing not night. Everyone's gotta position. I think we all know if the Joshua fury fight is going to happen next and set you know that has to be some substantial step aside when he paid to prulev answer the onto wall. Dnc Walter has a rematch closed for a trilogy with fury and obviously Putin levies the mandatory for Joshua so the res GonNa. It's GONNA take money. How much money. That's that's the thing that's going to be the sticking-point Shelly Cole. Tame walled up who left. They'll have that figures in their heads. You Know Matt's Rubin Taught. Rent a paid up figure. I want to be less than that. So it's all I you know. Basically they were trying to say wait. We're happy to straighten the mandatory. That's what we WANNA do. That's what's agreed that brings the expectations of poulet and Walgreens. Shelly Finkel Web Uganda. Listen were desperate. If you're Joshua fights happen then all of a sudden walled shelly fink. Colon team grew left that putting another zero on the step aside when he so. I think. Everyone's posturing jockey position a little bit and everyone wants the most of the step aside money and the ones paying WanNa pay the lease and that that will go on for L. Gabon's the eleventh hour. Ilkka down the last minute and other date will be done or it won't but I think there is a genuine willingness on team fury Joshua to really get the fight on the onset. Waldo step aside money the absolute perfect situation for him. I mean from a boxing point of view. You would have to advise you not to go straight back into another fight with fury. The way he got demolished want to combat for get some confidence back and then going through so he can get on a noise. Few million to step aside justifiably take an easy combat fight. He should definitely do that. Of course the business people over thinking about pine notes dollars and they can squeeze out of it. So that's why that video games going for boxing point of view and inbetween fight step aside. Money IS THE PERFECT SITUATION DOWN TO WALL. And even prove that you know. He's still mandatory so he will get the winner he can get. You know you millions of step assault. That's like in boxing. We only have so many hard fights in and you know if he can get a few million without having a fight. That's an extra hot all he's got left in these CRESA I think there's a genuine willingness to get. Todd the buppies just you know he's got a pipe poker here now. Great because it's like it's like the highest stakes poker isn't johnny is like everybody's making everybody else called in the hands. I agree my tickets. Sold because there's no way to see lots about. Haymond making his step aside to no step aside you know he's in a great position Young to argue is to say no. It's me next so when talked about says it's something about Step cyber exists and SKUDRA exist might be an official scale but it's gotta be exist right now for the two sides of Syrian. Aj to get this by you know people are GonNa have to get paid off Like you're all not that's just how is otherwise That wishlist been next fight. He's never gonNA just constantly. I'll aiming might say like we said last week a little change again by the time. Then this guy's out over the last few weeks. We picked popular topics to discuss the funds. And we've done the same again. This week. Asking suggestions on twitter. Instagram and facebook is upside will be debating. Talk Trash Talkers. And best defensive flexes the trash talking one is just. GonNa be law from minute I think. So here's some suggestions that was sent by the funds. Fluid might with Muhammed Ali. Jack Johnson Mike Tyson furious one choice fury Roy Jones Junior about billions age. Ridden Bruna Yoga who said some outrageous things pulley? Who was definitely false this to James toney Derek Zora? Now's Bernard Hopkins Mack. How effective is it? And has anybody ever Shoko been on the receiving end of some great tries to relay always always respectful. I'd pretty much. Everyone may generally was as well. I mean obviously things get said and build up to fight slot. Fort Wayne alcs for the breach Middle White Salt News from Birmingham. All things get said but nothing once award certainly not could be liable trash token a Johnny. Jamie obviously was very friendly with billy grind through a great rivalry was very highly anticipated. Because I think people knew of the styles would really Mesh for an action packed fight but there was certainly no trash-talk and nobody four anyways. You know everyone afford was always respectful back so I was a be style on the The I think it'd be a mind. Maury had four at that time. I mean I went on manage mine and respect and I'd ration- I think both pots now but the hide. We fall back in the day tomorrow. A need all of it and trash-talking then books. I was never really involved in nineteen lockdown joining. If I imagined that you through a table. He flipped the table and chase them around. The room awaited made up. Now's probably me being chased around the room. No luck in remember. Trust the whole point of trash-talk is to get into your opponent's head to make him hate you to make him want to. Just forget about game plug fine X. amount combinations in marijuana this amount seven so trustful could go online and get too long. Get very fast now. So you've gotta be sentenced happy being the visual to try and get your opponents I think probably the worst ignited and I was great causing trouble at school. Could never bucket up Was when I was boxing. Called townside news account guided woyzeck on slaves. I was finding call before we fall. I saw him on the sake but he actually never made. It was a coal miss dismissing Warrenton. I caught members wife's naming Cezanne's some do not and so I've never met her. Let's get that clear. I've never met so when it came to I five. We sat down that the press comes week. The fide. The joining knew what was going to do. I sat down Johnson me. It was promotes the call a bit grab women so I was talking to John. Loudon for counter here but not logging on your day everything before it starts for sit down a said yeah. Yeah what's clip in network cold things Mr Smith Waikiki? Cook so calls ceased at Starts Thinking. I know new name is Deborah on the lead towards John and that was just a silly whisper but then I knew call with you spokesman told me so called fairway boom. He's in the corner on the phone. I can see head going. Thought the right Bonnie with his missus. She's saying what you talking about just to get get money get getting. These call. Came down there e humid because I knew exactly what to do. I need to get this Menangerie so you think think anklets so when you trust talk and you will say some of the outlandish that brew is the holy things going you saying. It's possible defined that something that gets you opponent. Roberto Duran was abusing Sharia. His wife's might tax and spoke by eight new kids. You know he was probably the best trash ground that he was. Certainly one of the most ferocious was a exactly exact so the things they said. I couldn't repeat on here but there were documented. So there's a reason for doing all of this. I'm sure that Matthew I'd never took stuff like that to on the hardest thing to not take is when they talk about your family. That's when it really gets and there's one Pfizer at the moment when we've done the gloves off whenever they torched on the family line that sees nerve that's his Achilles Ayla thought needs to be careful because sent five said individuals will find that and keep pressing Bolton and so you've got to be cold as ice when it comes to this game especially when it comes to the trench all because some people Because of its man. That was some list that we read out the likes of Floyd Muhammad Ali Jack Johnson Mike Tyson. Who STANDS OUT FOR YOU? Is the best trust to list. The original was Bahama. Delay wasn't a. He was the one change things he was not. He was calling on extended less than a big leap. Bayer and all the rest of me that he was really before his times really. It wasn't really a thing back then. That kind of Tolkien eerily brought that into the game bus over the UK Naseem. Hamed was was was a big trash-talk was number seen James toney sparring in the walled Cobb back in two thousand and so I think of six. And that's GONNA over there for aches and I mean he was literally trash-talking between Ryan's during a sparring session and he was he was just so full with it. It was unbelievable what I'm eating in more recent times. I've only nauseates used to getting him and he's press conference with age Bruna I think they'd had a mutual exco go friend of something in ivory and he got he was like it was comical and embarrassing at the same time which it usually is. Exactly what Johnny you have done a lot of gloves off. I wonder which one stands out few twice and fury really doing number on Vladimir was highlight so much that he said. I'm going to have to stop now because I feel that you're gonNA pull out the foyer. Derek Zora vacillating press conference was just unbelievable when he turned on the broadcasters an Eddie and Adam and he doesn't even just reserve it for his opponents nobody's opening With the gloves off is a great platform to see The array of trash in fact could do you bent. Junior tried to stop went off saying. Can you smell something can you? Can you smell good where we going there? But yet Tyson geographic. What he did on Was was genius because if you members London. Mayor David Hale had the press conference. David had refused to come into the ringside studio and the Green. The reason for that I personally think is because the intelligence the Iq of London was second in this kind of Buckley with calm science and logic and intelligence but the one thing he was like it and he has a debt but not an amazing debts is on boxing. History Tyson fears got on a mason depth of box history. He's not an anonymous bully. He bullied with these knowledge in court. You know bet near. We'll sit that in that you token let you dig yourself in a hole and then he's GonNa famous line which we recall public. Say Something House when he thinks you're talking about because she'll just come out with. Yeah Your House and then I can remember when La was in the gloves Ralston Tyson Lopez and started to bring some unbelievable Box and inside when you the history of the fight game fighters no speak to ties interior. Not to go because they'll do them every day of the week you going Jim. He's got a painting on the wall of the old tyneside's is bad knuckle fights so he's not just second-to-none we could go to Dylan and Derek. And what they do was eight. Try and walk along the line of troops but but mock it's saint time and Denim was talking about the Pistons Was Getting and how much of a donkey he was. Who's the donkey view that line and that's when they sting again kicked off so you play you just with it and listen to it. That's when you get on. The opponents of course early was A. I totally agree with us. I do that told us out of his time but the most fearful one before might ties was actually Soviet listed if anybody members civilised list and finding out the started pistol justify the line fought in the casino. Yeah 'cause all the attracting down the Seattle from Saint so so this month house show. You Want Mondays. I'll show you what grades and then developed since then so you've got some guys silence silences Golden. But you've got some guys where they will trust you to the point where you might wait till you get knowing and really getting someone's face and he's probably a little more calculated now and is lent more closer to the bone now in guys do this and they trash-talk 'cause it got to be smart. They've got to be able to buy now open. Got To quit the one test I do worry about when it comes to trust all his. Aj because AJ great coporate from and we know he's East a lot but he doesn't run the right thing on camera Jonni humanly the rest of us. The problem is when he comes across the lights of Denim Y at Tyson Even deontay wilder. I think chewed up allies. Because these guys talk fast enough across a NAS disrespectfully enough to to really be rings on it and that's one thing. I actually accountable thinking while you know. Wouldn't put you in that verbal situation physical yet but available situation. These guys are really wanted to take it so disrespectful. Somewhere where it's just going to off. I think any line that can be created into a maim a great line. And certainly we didn't say that she's a laxative. One which was just I remember at the time being in the room thinking will see to can about Matt will finish with you the clip that we put out on social media. Get to eating with Rona. Who when he was flying through the weight divisions winning world's hot name opponents the second coming the trash will kind of added to the persona a one that he's on a baron. Run a full now and I just wonder if that's an example of when it backfires a little bit all you know becomes more about those who can look at it does about the five sigma being on failure or that night. Yeah we when you're GonNa talk like that you have to back off in the ring you know we're not seeing how many was trash-talking people's was producing the goods and the ring mayweather producing the ring. Mohammad-ali always use the ring early does broncos producing it but then when he starts getting beaten up losing fights and he's still you know it's like you couldn't take the less than they look like a spoilt. That's get mass. The with the reporters are interviewing me kind of China on them so he just like a spoilt boy that could give. It could take the criticism of couldn't take you anytime against. I think he came out looking really badly or manage point of view. I think I drone let's face is mom or you to be a never really Michael Potato. Money's books I think. When he was winning it was hot. Yeah he was backing up. Let's say for went when he started losing and any kind of training on the guys interviewed him stops. He just like a spoiled. I'll go brunette in Manhattan. When they said you took discuss wasn't he was happy to the consort with me. Oh the beat team. I've laid a work through to a mess. You sit in a real reporter so I was. I was Kinda WanNA wrong and I had to twist his arm. I think one hymens guys made him do it yet. Did it through great about two tools. enough okay. Let's move on to a second topic then Boxing's defensive masters. I mean we KINDA got a British go I in donating Cagey sixes as who perfected the art of hitting getting hit. So the list that we sent Benny Leonard Personnel which Ika Nikolina lucky floyd. Who could he's one of those has been in both categories? Jank's Tony and Roy Jones Entrust to again defense. Geniuses Willie Cools uproar enough for as Paul Chavez respect about his defensive skills. Lost Week Rig on the Vassilchenko Ray Robinson Ray Leonard on my Momma Says Will Benitez Nasr Hopkins Winky Riot Actress. Bud Yvonne Calderon so quite a good list there Johnny. You perfected hit. Don't get hit defense in angle. Jim was everything. And it was unique. how hard is it to learn a good defense? That was the reputation of Jim. Most promoted say to train an angle backwoods before anything because it wasn't the kind of style that would make you a millionaire overnight unfortunately but majority of people want to see crash-bang-wallop and so so when hits into not being hit or you're not being a bit you know a Mike. Tyson doesn't throw that soul of that this. They want from the fines. If you look at the sweet science of us for us that that style and Jim The idea was to box defensively offensively a left Iraq combat with forward. And just making sure you say to give yourself longevity. We let that because I coach he was stone and What anybody when he bulbs so therefore you know that's the most damage is done in. The gyms says you combine box and you work pace so we'd went to the buddy. We transfer a couple of weeks before five. You don't so as many shots if you're in the gym spa an open every day. Because it's too cold so to do that. He encouraged you to enjoy yourselves into what you're doing. He'd make you do silly things like playing take and so it's a case of tiptop. Because if you go for power usually power unusual speed if you go for speed you always create power and create more speak. So that's what bannon encouraged to do. I mean he coaches to be able to to think straight thinks smart thinks achieve when we got the ring it can be done but about mindset If you're on aggressive nature you just can't you call adult that ingles mindset naturally takes time Pinson saying is probably the wealthiest average in because he managed to combine offensive and defensive sprinkled with a bit of spy nuts. On top of it was a great finisher and so that is hard to capture. But once you got the bone points you understand it is just something you'd prefer a guy called jump of Kate. Imagine Jumbos. There was self taught coke and he'd want to you don't want to spoil with him because he was not met but he wants said to me. Books in like mink was harder than boxing like him and I said why and he said because I can my one enough to think about it to do what you do. Hit and not be you gotta think about it and he's mentally it and I'm thinking I actually never looked a lot but it's mentally. It's an education man and so many people on that list. You probably will assign in the Flesh Best Defensive Pfizer that you've seen up close floyd my with Redondo James Toney. I'm Sony Sparring and you catch one shop. You won't catch you two or three. You never catch with a combination Slipping slide in blocking shoulder role. In you know so slick Oregon dial watched ringside against the NATO add. Denier at the time was ring magazine's for years and he just couldn't even torch Regon I've seen a lot of Chen Co law many times again. Unbelievable on which guard didn't say lawyer? What's you know? He's got to be the top two or three best defense depar- Zebra and of course you did mention Willie again. You know. I mean he went around in the years ago. We didn't even throw a punch. Yeah that's the wives style. I'd love to say him. Enjoy Jones Jones Roy Jones in his AAC. You could put Roy Jones. You actually could touch him so we don't even know if Roy Jones was might be Chinese Ho Carina. He not getting these wrong. He changes all career. But we don't know 'cause you never got. I suppose these guys have they been around in the peak social media era. They would be a lot more well-known fed defensive because me like you say Roy Jones Roy Jones. His career was on social media. Because you know what it's like now with Chen Co in the Matrix and stuff like that. Butch Jones like say especially at Super Middleweight. Just couldn't actually touch him. Probably one for you map robin usually but is there pressure now with the massive? Tv Percy's to be a bit not disparaging but to be a bit more Ricky Hatton than than say Willie Peck you. It's the entertainment business as well and a casual fan might not necessarily understand the nuances of a defensive masterpiece. I'm not so sure. Look you know Hagler hearns. Nobody can the NEU- that he's entertainment but also seeing a boxing. Masterclass is also entertainment. You've got to be entertaining. You've gotTa have a a story you've got to have a character unique personality. That's not sows books. You don't necessarily have to be crushed. Bent Wallet Take on to give one to talk of the fan friendly style. Of course we like to see action packed flights books. I absolutely appreciate Click boxing noise. Defensive moves hitting not get hit for in an entertaining fashion. It doesn't have to be tight. Wants to keep one crushed by waller. Richardson tiny wintertime. Be Good to watch. What super-slick Technical Brilliance? That's very interesting I from sitting next to you at ringside when somebody does something. Stand out defensively. That gets you going more than a pump to the economy thing. It does. Because it's using. Your brain is mental as a mental game of chess than you can count your opponent into throwing shop and you gotTa have three. Four moves off that to Shops at get golden. Aw So when you see some happen in front of you. Very is wow. I'll give you like a simple one. All the unopened dealt with Jewish woman and at the time people saw he was getting batted news. Getting beaten up for is letting them punch on. He's actually ride. Miss Shots for the forum alpo slipping by fraction of an inch and then let them on websites on bump bump bump finish him off to me. That's watching pitcher being joined in for your very own is in. It's being sent to right-wing thing. Wow I didn't see that coming. I looked up. I do want my set about appreciating that boxing style. But it's only now back on the lights Floyd Mayweather booth in his hometown. It because born because there's five people went to see unfortunately that might Tyson crushed by Wallop is exactly the funds one. If you're a pro fine and you love and you appreciate a game you'll love the sweet science that's why it's called the sweet science. I look at that list and lots of cybernetics beneath his nickname was radar. This guy is like he wasn't looking at you slip every show come into it on his day. Now's was the same and so when you say Oh coast and personal when you see the lights up. Floyd Mayweather meticulously which one shot that day after day and you see him but use it in the ring against Ricky. Hatton comes onto him. He slips the time counter. He's recant his hand on the pulse. That was something he trained to do to me. You think Oh my God you don't think wow. That was bad luck trained to do that. So when you see you see Wishes you mesmerized? Because you think Brennan's pugh brilliance if you can make a month and much ado so I'll always rate the technical side of Ospel because he shows the intelligence the intelligence of Pfizer and even guys out stunned by an aggressive fights is sometimes come up with a move in the midst of bustle. And they'll get you to make a mistake and make you pay for it. I liked seeing that sorts of because it's not just physical. It's mental as well Ma just before we finished this topic. Virgil country. Someone Springs to mind in terms of modern day. Trainers that if you want to get you. Send the metro great defense. Because we're don't try would is the now a lack of defensive trainers pushing on a little bit. Now he's supposed floyd by with a senior was all about defense. You know everything off the job the shoulder roll. Everything's defense and counterpunching. You know floyd with broke people's hot you'll get him against Cannella Cannella stages that stop throwing punches every point you got slow back with the shop counter. Something that rob them but it was accurate shop. He didn't see each stone mayor. The nullified Emmy E. neutralize or hiking. He's offense away from him and he did that or count arena. We shop on cheese making mace so know by the senior of the Modern Era. I believe is probably the best defensive coach lot cost. You mentioned Andre Awards there as well but another good trying to put in the UK as someone that I would say. Defense Look Brendan. Ingle was hitting hit. Wasn't that he wasn't telling anyone go in there and a war he was telling them to boxing. Move and psychologically Breitbart is that in a brighter heart and and that kind of thing nowadays. I'm not I'm trying to think if there's one that I would say he's very defensive minded but none of the top of my head. I can't think on the sign that to catch you out. It's just one of those that don't know if the the game moved on a little bit the practice everybody's a bit more defensive-minded or perhaps It's just too much johnny. Anyone that comes to mind you think of the English style as a defensive style but they were great offensively as well other. No donate dusing slightly. Different out Brendan did yet dumped. It's not his dad's GonNa look at the personalities individual and Dominic through. What is that went through? He extends no nonsense so is his way or no way and they actually right that again and again. I struggle to watch the find the coach. No sorry tell allies Fury now when he was talking I was pleased because part from Brandon. The only train a new spotlight. This was money STU it. When we're in training camp street money will want to sit down and talk box full. Yes Brennan again p. a few. You're exactly the same. Trust me off camera. This guy he told spots and he drinks eats lives box. Not Solely told talks about an an a L- of the the stories that many people forgotten about don't actually know when you sit down with is knowledge of the game is Matt. He think fused the game. All you need it. The right operators run Pfizer to put into practice. What he is doing on a few cutting now is is one of the few trains I think once a day and say right there are a few China's left because he's one of them show COOKIES CLINIC. Clinica and the white we spoke before ties abouts wilder and under stuff. He was telling me about Tyson strengths and weaknesses. Were somewhat common in the wild at five and I thaw you know what your foresight the second-to-none billion in Santa Monica in our lives over there trying to go on the strict from an homeless any of the chessboard. Flying just like dollars for guy and he used to bake make where he's in really good game but every guy baked mate and he's to say you know what he said. Look maybe tell you something. It's not always the guy who makes the most adventurous moves wins for the guy who makes the least mistakes. I'm not he did. It just stayed patient and he let me be on south because my patients are going. Ah trying to clever moves on a little porn and in the end of it would come down to the end guy when he to a corner to more than me. That'd be the difference where he gets his dining get acquainted and me and it was just because he's patients when the guy every time you know. GonNa move on but when you could apply that to everything in life I often think about the tricky entities post-flight. Sometimes it's worth not over thinking the person that you're speaking to wolf tie themselves in knots enable do the job for you if you put the right questions. That's Mucho buff. It's the same with anything you give someone enough rope. It's it's going to happen on a thing. Just poisoning noise. Does it when you talk about the defensive masters the my whether in these people twelve. Ranji long time in the guys. You make the few mistakes that don't take seat as the fights going on. They're the ones when it comes into those light arounds. They've still got that freshness. Yeah it was like a good place to finish your onto. That leaves us a little bit of time to do the fancy fighter section this week Johnny without you last week You know I don't want to single you out or anything like that. We SEEM TO GET UNANIMOUS. Pick and twitter and social media was a much happier place. People want losing their minds and try and find us us down So we did the light ways and re locked them losing their minds. Come on. Don't give us about. The poem is read the comments. Before I go to bed I lay there thinking about Healthy way to live all. If these people knew how much trouble they gave me a oppose. China is one loss week and I'm happy to say that he deserves to win and thank God. People agreed with us. Our private seven percent kausasivo eight percent so not a bad reflection of of all the rules of the game. Pick one Pfizer for many generations to fill the spot in offense team so going through the weights and an and grabbing all best part that way of all you can only use people want so. That's why we always get same questions. Wiser Watson included because we're GONNA put them somewhere else. That's why this week it's the hundred and fifty four pound division. Super Welterweight switches. All old light middleweight I grew up knowing them. Junior middleweight suspects if America. Johnny if you look at the list Was Sent Aid Thomas hearns Terry Norris Mike McCallum. I mean what's the top three already winky Ryan or Scott Shannon Moseley Felix Trinidad Union Jackson. Keisuke aim at Vasquez Koichi. What Jima Freddie Little Sandra Nino Benvenuti your Kalou and Laura Booth Alani not familiar with a couple of Really testimony knowledge. I got society while the top seven in that list. Really Johnny what you thinking things this list are. If you love US bought the public saying most of these guys fought well. If your mind anyway I think this is probably the toughest because I look at them and I think wow I can see the reason. Why almost sends a big time? I know it's a series. Anybody beat might McCallum because Mike mccullum beat Judy Jetson. Julian Jackson was taking everybody out. Winky Wright seen him lights seen this guy live was a prop magician in front of your very own is but then shame Mosey on these day. Shame Mosey the proper slicks them. But I've got to go buy paper. I've got to go bye bye performances and of course. I think this is going to set the catamounts pigeons again. He's going number three. I'M GONNA go winky Wright. I think you're right on his day. I felt was pro about us. He was lakes. Good box Pfizer That's a that's a talk show because I'm putting up the lights. Bosquet de la Hoya Felix Trinidad and even Julian Jackson and number two now joining Jackson cooked bind. But it wasn't technically a stoop of many fights as that are in that that lets. I'd actually go for nine as his mouth. Chugging mullane Thomas Thomas Could Punch as well as bought for the size of the power. He could generate number. He was out boxy sugary landed in that first and of course it number one. I gotTA PUT mccown Mama. Calendar Body snatcher. Either beat most of the guy to bucks. I think is knowledgeable on. I think he's he's experiencing what he has inside and outside the ring post Monday talk. That's me dropping the mind. I think the problem is going to be anything. People are GonNa pick holes that much. Terry Norris doesn't appear in your top three which is probably gonNA upset few people what you will three inverse order an reasons behind it so. I've got tearing hours three Mont McCallum number two and Tommy hearns number one. I've got hands one because I think he would have beat. Mikhail and seven logged. That was probably come by offering. Now is the best way I think he was so soul at wild swipe Key e kind of you know E. Iran. Stay a famous story that it came. Got The white wrong fort. Leonard Butts Tommy hearns. You know didn't go up by Hagler Middle Super Welterweight. Junior middleweight light. Whatever you WANNA call it under fifty four pounds. I think that's the white where he knocked. That Roberto Duran Duran's how would against Judy Jackson from watching behind the SOFA? Yeah just that's the way. Would I mean some Adama was it was devastating? Wasn't a speed is power whilst white you so big on the day. Wade's wellness to kill. They wear I think under fifty pounds he just had that big more stamina. Run out of time but the story took from Tommy. Hansie's book was the Yomiuri twice the dating very light. He said. I'll do whatever you wanted if you just let me have these two mills which was Porridge with a Hash Brown in the morning and Chinese food at night and he would just not and you just think this the frame of the man no wonder Which my daughter was like here to have it to you. Norris at three hundred at one by Mr number two McCallum Manga callum. I think then that we're going to have trouble with who we going to say is all pick put McCallum as one heads us to and winky Wright so we created the same one to just in different orders winky Ryan three fingers. I actually think you might be standing aground because McCallum was probably more effective highway I'm just looking at his technical ability of the likes of we've beaten how he boxed and should it be. Wake up which I'll talk. Nuts number two undoing. It relooked late. Let it be known that you've done reluctantly. So Tommy hearns is our number one hundred fifty four pound. I think we're GONNA be alright there. When was the last time you saw Thomas Ends? I play to grab him of May Mayweather the McGregor and shake his hand. Looked Maala crazy man. But I'll just after squat jumps you'll hand that sounds with starbucks. And so we were hosted event in so in England. Some result to tell me came sat down now before the. Mike got a new songs. Everyone and told me how he finished at cruiserweight and he said. Yeah was cruiserweight. Wbo cruiserweight champion from two thousand to two thousand. I wasn't I was he said now was so we're talk it. He said he was champion. When I was I said you want I was champion. Then I was real bureau champion. Always argue with it. So He's assistant next to him. He didn't always talk about agreed with Macedo. Listen you call to WBO champions. I was champion until two thousand and five to six OATS ARGUMENT. You realize he was. Ibm Champion so then. Then because you have to get it get Google and then he said it really still thinks you can find said. Why don't in you do an exhibition bow and I'm like we can do an exhibition around that way? We can get round all the commission's we can be confined. We'll do it here in the U. K. So He's assistant said. Yeah we do and I'm thinking I'm into no win situation because her but for no man if I am not smear I've got not taught body so much so I'm like yeah. Whatever compensation for about three months afterwards? I was getting phone calls to do this exhibition bow. We're told me hands and I'm like are you real so I can remember telling Brendan Brennan. Said Johnny. Look if he's GonNa look time and if he hits you it's going to bobby said just ignoring it was funny. Thomas was champion at the time. That is an absolute unwinnable war there by the way he can either hurt. Sometimes we'll get hurt by told me neither choice. He's a great choice running out of time this week. So I'm GonNa let you both go. Remember to vote in our poll If you don't vote on number three and some heads one McCallum sue we're GONNA work Roy and are restructuring winky Wright attorney. I think we can put forward the list. I think as long as our top two. I think that's anyway as long as we talk to. We can put the other two. We want despite already conceding. I can lay there. You call over us. We're still look down but we're okay. I think we if we do Terry Norris Three and winky full. Is Anyone GonNa join a? You'RE GONNA lose sleep without now. Bumped up just week okay. I'll you just made our lives to to about. 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Spence vs Porter Welterweight Unification: The Best of the Best Break Down

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Spence vs Porter Welterweight Unification: The Best of the Best Break Down

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Earl Spencer junior and Sean Porter are doing in this welterweight to wait unification to Mir boxing champions put out an article giving a lot of facts about welterweight unification's how rare they are and I guess the last or the best top four of the last twenty forty years so it's a look back at four of the biggest hundred and forty seven pound world title Unification Bouts since we're going to be discussion discussion champions Earl Spencer's show importer. We'll prepare to me who are preparing to make their own history boot. Take a look back at other welts awaits that made history just to see how big of a thing this is. You know I'm interested to see how many points box talks were gives earth for this right because man I was checking and you get a lot of points for clearing out a division shut out the Crawford but yes this is what we're we're. GonNa be talking about this morning. If you're interested you know the number to call in which is one four to five five six nine fifty to forty one press one one time voice your opinion right here on the voice of the people hotline once again we will be taking a look back. We are trying to see how important this is. How big a BA- feet it is and you know what other fighters of done with these two men are trying to achieve so once again the number to call call in one four to five five six hundred fifty to forty one press one. Don't forget Ad Nestor Gibbs on skype. Let's go out to my co host and I'm Ben. I'm visiting champion. Never been our Alexander Heath. No Alexander. I'm Beth Ed Studies taught the gap would go to good morning. Everyone we back at it again. Hey with Mike Ross. The boss. El Capitan Nest gives if you're on your way to work turn us up help you through traffic Africa. You're on your way back home. Hey will get you as long as you're up until you pass out and we back at it with the spence importer talk. You know it's going down how it's going down in like NASA said that spin only eleven welterweight unification's in the last forty years and Pike Mike Rundown a a few of them a couple of them There's been a lot of them but we gonna just concentrate on these. If anybody else wants to throw some in there we're gonNA throw some min there but it is a feat to accomplish in the boxes career so let's get to it sheet spots dot com also they stand with which it's called COMP Yo Yo yo Yo yo good morning good morning good morning to everybody out there and the TB universe back with another one year yeah man welterweight unification earl space shown porter and like this far and few in between last one got top of my head. Keep hurting Danny Garcia Manny Paki Al fucking Mayweather Defoe have a bill ah or was it just a big fight but anyway Tommy hearns sugary lists. Go what this going around own but yeah man we'll we'll talk about that break down and get into a good morning good morning good morning everybody out there and TBB universe when only one of the so I I wanNA throw border Alex who sounds like he did some research and is going to educate us because I didn't know there was eleven. I'm going based off the article which seemed interesting but if you can add your your own spice to do so take it away champs so you're saying this eleven unification's have taken place in the welterweight division yeah still this is GonNa. I think the eleven weight title unifier in boxing history. you know eleven eleven so you're talking about star backwards. I guess from the most stores off the top of your dome piece no off the topic Robert Dole piece but you know I I looked I looked over at at some of the I some of the ones in the article and I mean I'm already interested in the sugar ray versus Thomas Thomas Hurts that was a fight where the two had a a an emotional lead up to that fight and and they really brought it out de la Hoya vs a digital. I watch that man I watched that was my error like I came up and I got to watch that fight. That's about twenty one years ago that she crazy about twenty years ago. Brother Hosie fuck happened in ninety nine so yeah about twenty years ago. Oh yes aw definitely bra was nineteen. We was young young boys. Eh Boys Watch that Shit live. I was very upset but I don't want to spoil it so so basically you're not adding anything anything new you talk about the ones that we are going based off the article or do you know some other ones might come on your fucking thinking tax thinking tank full of Information Shen what welterweight bows the you know and don't mention Danny Thurman because the article mentioned that one as well okay no. I mentioned that Mitch The fucking Sugar Ray and was calling me mention that one day all I'm going to knock out there so we don't keep cheating. They mentioned Mayweather Pacquiao. They mentioned the Sugar Ray Leonard vs Tommy hearns Danny Garcia vs Keith Thurman and they mentioned Trinidad Verses Oscar de la Hoya. Those are the only me ones they mentioned. They're saying this is the big four our Max in the boxing fan. 'cause I'm not a history guy what other welterweight unification's around there that we're overlooking or that needs to be mentioned. Not Overlooking needs to be mentioned you know again we don't claim to be historians over here on TV but we have an unlimited of listeners sooners and call is that can definitely fill those voids anytime they call in and give us the factual information like you know like Choi instead of saying hey. You should watch history. Not Search your history. You know teach US teach us but yeah maybe Google search will help in the meantime. I'M GONNA take it from the top and we look like we're going to start welterweight unification the best of the best so obviously there's more based off the title. There's others out there but this is the quote unquote best of the best. There's only been a handful away title Unification Bouts in the long history of boxing but it turns out. They don't a popular month for the rare event. The eleventh welterweight title unifier in boxing history will be added to the record books on Saturday September twenty eighth when the undefeated earl the truth spence junior and showtimes Shawn Porter face off at the staple centers in Los Angeles. The debate is showdown is air on he. BC on Fox sports paper view at nine PM Eastern six PM Pacific Standard Time and has all the makings of the fight of the year candidate now that being said I did see some things that these ticket sales are slightly struggling and they lowered the prices from the hundred bowl seats down like seventy five which is good if you're a boxing fan and you were holding out Canadian. Jose preaches all all the time to wait a minute to buy your tickets right there because you always get a good deal that being said another interesting fact if Mike if you can just is double check me here on this was any Leonard Alright. Not Leonard Somebody on this list right right which the I got all of them like tile Mike Tyson was in the most recent history welterweight awaits owning Floyd Mayweather Marcos Maidana. That was a unification market but the true ebby regular but that's not the super flat priorities. I wasn't standing unification. We got in Ricardo. Oh may order at wealthed away that was about what boat I be off in my head the WB in WBZ okay. That's valid islet listen quick. Tidbit Bruin when Sugar Ray Leonard and Thomas hearns fault for the first time both undefeated only to belts existed. WAC Elitist C. N. WBZ a Razia wet wended Mendoza go wrong was it was it his father was running shit good and then he came along and ruined. I did get a relaxed unless the. WB is like the original lives I one car. It's not the one yeah I mean everybody knows. Every single fighter says the same exact words like they've been programmed like they've been downloaded the phrase the WBZ's the coveted bell. Everybody wants to w most prestigious everybody uses the same words and everything I'm not saying it's the fighter saying it but because there let's let's talk. The first one May Jack feels and Joe Dundee back in nineteen twenty nine so oh man and then it took. It's a damn near sixty years a damn you find this nobody fifty two years well another one and that's when we all see which sugar ray and time is hiring learn so there's not that many then do we got. Donald Currie Makoko Troy always talking about Donald Curry very right and Mike McCarthy a damn. WB had a built in nineteen the next one is Simon Brown in Loreto Blocker Nineteen ninety-one. I never feel feel like I've heard of Maurice Blocker. That name sounds like as a fighter. I walk off Trinidad and they'll the whole year which we all know then you gotTa. May Work and Bernard Forest. Oh yes that was upset right. Yoga beat force. I I'll have the Let's look it up but I believe so so and that's that's more upper near Whitaker et a Oscar de la Hoya to on the fighting for built or it was probation dog org that's in Fernando Vargas and they all fight this do because at that time he was hot. Even though he never took his career seriously he was he was able to give give fans with the whole smoking into the ring. He didn't look at slop. Busy looks now back then like you know he was a well to where he was in shape and he could punch my yoga. Could you know but it was an upset definitely so getting back to the article. Let me see if I could find the author is by Bob Villain and you know the other tip I wanted to say I believe one of these Welsh ways that we're going to speak of were also twenty five and no similar a to spence and obviously you know hearns and Leonard were thirty and when they met well actually Leonard had one also also ready to durant when he met Thomas but they were in the thirties and os and thirty one and all you know and porters up there with thirty two so you know and one draw seventeen Cao's and he also has the WBZ belt so this this fight between earl and reporter is being right up there where history but it's funny because Thurman and Garcia are put in that same category because of what they were able to do but but luckily I woke up early this morning I was able to watch the sugar Ray Leonard Thomas Her. Did you guys have a chance to watch it or obviously probably woke up too late right. I got caught in the past pretty interesting fight especially. When you consider the Leonard I ended up knocking out hearns in the fourteenth round. which sounds so it's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking attacking your peace of mind? It's pain and it's getting in between you and a life you want to live CD medic. Target your pain at its source. It's fast acting relief with active. OTC ingredients plus the added benefits of THC FREE HEMP oil get back to your life with CBD medic available online and at cvs these statements have not been evaluated alienated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease right now at T. Mobile. Get An possum iphone. Ten are on us when you bring your family over trade in your old device because whether you have mom dad or a friend on your mind it's a gift so bold and brilliant you. WanNa keep it for yourself most importantly it's on us in six vibrant colors plus with unlimited everything from t mobile e. 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You know what I'm saying but there was no one to say it to my bedroom and I'm watching this shit. It's just like he moved a lot but it was all strategic. It's funny to concerns was in the corner with Emanuel Steward so that was the best version Asia hers you were going to get you know and Leonard with still able to knock him out in the fourteenth. Bro After giving away man. I I want to say at least the first three. Maybe four rounds just gave them. Away didn't do enough and boy. These didn't like each other. I don't know do me brought brought it up but I didn't do any of the fact check in or history on if there was some sort of beef but I promise for the for the golden share nobody like a fucking golden tower they did mention that on the telecast saying like you know that that kind of in Leonard Shadow and even though hearns undefeated and Leonard has the laws they still give Leonard more cloud. Oh Wow but there was like dirty tactics like every every every round after the bell for at least the first three to four rounds maybe even they they were in each other after the bell consistently and then like you know doing like faces at each other you know like sticking their tongue hung out and oh you hit me after the bell. I'm thinking like Oh my legs her. In turnaround you can't punch it was pretty this fight and they was bang and you know what y'all lender damn. It's crazy because he was using something as simple as the one two three before him. I guess it worked because it has hi so when he was shoot the one to not Leonard. I said I meant to say hearns when he was shoot the the one to Leonard Wood Duck down that three was for destroying them to the body destroying them and sometimes he was bringing shit up like all you can uppercut it would hit him in the chest or chin. I mean d'ambra hers was was a little little beasts to he had a chip on his show that was funny shoe to hear him introduced as the Motor City Cobra so shout out to Anthony Edwards from Cincinnati the Queen City Rico br I see you. I see you taking some paying some homage to the champ. yes. I can appreciate was that yesterday killed going back and giving these guys credit get paid paying homage to these guys actually going back and say are you. Were entertaining about a fight now some Olga do's and throwing punches going slow the tooth killing. You're actually entertain sir. I'm born in this era. I on the way this I'm telling my history. I wasn't born in this no footage of all we got his newspaper clippings times when when when minorities didn't have a say so you think I'm GonNa believe the words of a reporter that probably was coerced by his editor like show we wise Marvez Margaret and sugar ray back in this study were never the hurts hurts was over like you and me motivated and excited because he sat down and watched but maybe maybe this fight was just technically I mean. I don't know this was entertaining. It was strange though I had four the first four it was it was bringing the pain and he I mean don't get me wrong. He was bringing a pay for longtime almost to like the first half and then he got caught shit change but let me stop. Yes good morning yes yes. I hate you guys. Talking about hearn's earns Sugar Ray Dallas top of that was brought up yesterday as a rematch never happened spends verse Portas. The welterweight unification is is fight week the best best breakdown what it what does that mean. I'm trying to figure out the topic here. Champ is here indeed. Thank you we. We break down the I guess the entire meaning of Unification in the welterweight division how important it is how many how few have done it. I mean we're talking right now. legendary first-ballot names like Sugar Ray Leonard and Thomas the Hitman hearns you know these are two guys from the eighties the golden era as our fathers would like to call it. This was the welterweight division when all these guys really fought each other you know hall of Famers like Sugar Ray Leonard Thomas hearns Robert Durand Wilfredo Benitez. Those were the alleged cream of the crop. Would us a hard topic for me. I'll just gotta sit back and learn from this one because not not necessarily because again because this hasn't been done there are unification's in the welterweight division took place in your era with the fighters that you know this is just one of the fights that took place there was a fifty-fifty fight in everyone's eyes that maybe you didn't go back and see but maybe you should write it took place in. Las Vegas Caesar's Palace it was you know Emanuel Steward in the Corner Tommy the Hitman hearns he was in a freakishly saw dude like we had our own as well but Paul Williams he was robbed of the opportunity of his greatness due to a motorcycle accident but you know Hitman was six one one in the welterweight division. He actually weighed one hundred and forty five pounds for the Leonard fight but a fight and one forty forty five wow yeah he came in and the way people thought that that was going to affect them in who knows you know he did get knocked out in the end of the and the defy. Maybe it did affect them to come in so low. They didn't give a fight night. Wait so we don't know what he ballooned up to but fights that you do know fighters that you are more familiar with an a unification that I'm sure sure as a Puerto Rican that grew up in New York. You heard the car horns and all the web is throughout North North Trinidad got ever whenever Tito Trinidad for and when ten Trinidad did fight he made history. I didn't agree with the outcome and we can discuss those that watched it but I'm talking about Felix Tito Trinidad versus Oscar de la Hoya took place in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine. I was always in highschool actually Outta high school at this point and this is ninety nine so I was maybe nine hundred thousand eight hundred and something like that and Listen Trinidad's Dad's records with thirty five in Oh with thirty. Cao's that a Hoya was thirty one in over twenty six thousand. I WanNa stop you right there and just shake that in for a moment home and understand who Oscar de la Hoya was a gold medalist do debt for this particular fight. We're GONNA find out this kid may like twenty nine million twenty five five million dollars you know what I'm saying and he's fighting Trinidad at thirty one and Trinidad's fighting him at thirty five zero but we as boxing fans now who have been given the luxury of social media which allows us our voice to be heard. We are spoiler. We like now. We want it now. Think about imports Fi in borough at twenty five no keith been did that with Danny or ready and so on and so all Y Y Y Y lower fights on their resume then this and then legendary fighters like turns in Hagler hearns and and Leonard who four thirty in one in twenty one and thirty two and thirty you know what I'm saying so that means these dudes were well into their career and not fighting each other when they finally forty each other but people like to call into the show and tell us how all in the golden era of the best used to fight the best shut the fuck up because it looks to me like it took longer for them the golden there is the go go go further back they talk about the earliest were the golden era of the Welterweight Division. We end the platinum era right. I mean are you saying we did it with Danny in a widow with a less less year but record people will turn around and say the Danny Garcia's never gonNA be Thomas the Hitman hearns or a AH sugar ray Leonard Right so they're gonna Danny Garcia exactly that left hook but that's what I'm saying because people don't like to let these fighters create they legacy they already comparing him to these people like we're doing right now due to this article this is what they do. They want a thousand into box into to bring back the old. Oh boxing fan. That's what they think they're doing. I guess I don't know now now. You're saying that it took hearn than turns turns and sugar ray along time to time. I'm just saying the numbers are they fought when they both had over thirty. One fights are okay okay. Okay okay got to keep it with Danny. Sooner Kief did even though Puerto Inhabit title you know Keith did it with Danny sooner and now earls doing reporters sooner and I bet you floyd impact out. Did it later pack your whole were they. They were forty seven and fifty the two and five and two. You know what I'm saying so. Yo- our wealth to wage this generation they want all the smoke they fight an early. Caribbean are waiting to be thirty. They Earl isn't Oscar de la Hoya Fighting Trinidad and making twenty nine million dollars. You know what I'm saying. It's the difference. These dudes wanted dash smoke now. This is true. I'm going to agree with you. I'm seeing a lot of the younger fighters now on this era just wanted to get in there and get their shot some some had some you know some haven't had success others. You know we're yet to see them but the lumber on Loman numbers are low for this wave and fight is now in this millennia and for Crawford fans. Hey He's right on the money he's thirty one years old and what he got thirty thirty thirty two fights might Yeah Guy Thirty thirty three thirty four now. I'm looking at Manuka sugar ray now. He lost a durant before so it ain't like he ain't tried to be great. Shea but still it's still in the same thirty fights right when he and that's all I preach people say nets. You need to go back and watch history where I'm actually somehow in tune with it because that's all I want from. My fighters ain't rush. You can have thirty fights now right now. This is the era of Yo he's fifteen. No he should be fine. It's like also so also a now how it was back then. I don't know how it was back then but now you have like you know fights brewing early like force a Koi and the Haney the end and Ryan Garcia. You know what I'm saying so you're saying is it. A fighter is more voice. Juris now added young record you know to brew the big fight and promoter helps Nah Nah nurtured at so that the fans follow that being a possibility ability so that we get another Mayweather Paki out you know what I mean. I think that's happening. Now is more business you know everybody wants to big piece of the Pie the fighter as well that is people to stop calling in and giving me the Golden Arrow or the back in the day. Fighters used to fight the best back in the day. I okay do this back in the day. When Oscar got motherfucking thirty one fights before Trinidad in and you don't use the red you don't drive using the Review Mero. You drive looking the windshield exactly they want us to consistently look back and it's cool. You Learn Shit like I went back and I was able to appreciate you know somebody should lend Adib easily. I was also able to associated with some of the hate that may whether gets like watch that Leonard in check and it's got the wheels of I'll Jerry Berman and floyd mixing one for check your right are we looking at those numbers and and not translating them correctly because from what I know is that I know back in the day. These fighters were were fighting more often so the point specifically I mean you could talk about you know the era sugar rain hers we go. We go on with Sugar Ray. We gotTA use box wreck. We know from that era. You know knowing this information but I gotta use box to understand what years we talk. A cigarette wanted to I twenty five hundred when he fought with this news and there you go now that now that's earl special right but I like to check it out. It's not know is not because early. Twenty-five we know right now about the uniform he talking my Leonard Guinness First title at Twenty Five Url went to another country and did it first faster this by twenty five years his old or twenty five fights. If you Google her I guarantee you. He got his belt way before twenty five and was a key garment talking about fights often right Keith Thurman in two thousand eight had one two three four five six seven fights and in two thousand nine had one two three four five fights you know two thousand and ten three and that's went and then two and then he was active for two years and he four and two thousand oh well he got he got the injury. You know he was out but yeah man I mean look can't take away from them. That's all I went back and and did the research wise to fight great fighter as well. You know I mean I watched some of his amateur because that's all always been on youtube but I never really sat down through this fight until this morning. It's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind aw it's pain and it's getting between you and a life you want to live. CD medic targets your pain at its source. It's fast acting relief with active. OTC ingredients plus the added benefits of THC hemp oil get back to your life with CBD medic available online at CVS. These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease. It's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind. It's pain and it's getting in between you and a life you want to live CD medic targets. Your pain added source. It's fast acting relief with active. OTC ingredients plus the added benefits of THC FREE HEMP oil get back to your life with CBD medic available online and CBS these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA fifty eight. This product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease during a cup of coffee and I like I like Ray but but I'm GonNa just keep a Jisi. I liked floyd better. Especially defensively. I mean hers was laying. Shit already all day. You know floyd is a dude that don't get touch and that's all I keep saying I'm preaching. I'm preaching. Maybe someone else or maybe watch another film and it's going to be like. Oh Damn does do definitely definitely knock out my do from this generation but so far so far. It's like we talked about race. Man Floyd still looking like the best welterweight to me yeah he he he he at least to get hit for sure and then radio letter accuracy. He ain't wasting punches. Do these storm punch historic stone punches ain't even landing Florida's staying there and it's like Bam here you go that. She landed I mean it was a different for type of style of fighting. I mean Leonard took a lot more chances in the ring of and it's also the type of people he was facing in how how they were brought so him you know mayweather had a good game plan with his team around him and everybody looking out for him and doing the right thing. I don't know if everybody was was privy tribute today in those days where Ray Leonard was around other information in the CIA to cut you off. Just as important for context Benitez was twenty one according to all day drey the says Benito's was twenty one with the bell and Leonard Fought Benitez At age twenty three as though Keep Dermot foot seven times and I'm looking at Tommy hearns in one thousand nine hundred seventy eight. He fought one two three four five six seven of an eighty nine ten eleven fights and seventy eight. That's almost a fight every month so I guess yeah dating no. No what I'm saying is more active. We were just saying about their areas like thirty five knows but that's the thing you could be more active in that error. You know why because because it's like does not you not bound by TV so some of them fight probably wasn't even on TV but now fighters contracted to television so they can't fight if if they know now I'm looking at the early part. I compared hearns early with early. You know what I'm saying. Thurman has seven fights in two thousand thousand nine seven five yeah no they were. That's why those numbers translate like that. That's why you're looking at thirty and twenty six look by fighting the best fighter but there was fighting a lot more often man a lot more than I guess because the rules and the safety. I think the chat times changed well. How how how active you can be as pro level. I mean even now on a pro level of you ain't hurt you could go back in the ring after two weeks but let's get back into this. Felix Tito Trinidad versus Oscar de la Hoya. This was real quick quickness who Utah won their fight. I mean main. I thought that Oscar won the fight but he the last three rounds off bro He. He thought he thought he had it in the bag. You know even though Trinidad Trinidad was chasing around the rain for the last three not really being effective. Ask was still being a boxer. I feel the Oscar was robbed. Trinidad got the win never gave him the rematch but he got the majority decision that means all three judges he took the you've got to watch the fight and Rica he took off he just he was back but he was. He was just avoiding he was just avoiding not even dancing seeing is not even boxing it was avoiding but largest shot at the light potshot moved to the side pop shop to yeah decide like the whole fight putting pressure on him. That's only three rows bro. He only to begin. If the beginning he was on his back foot Tito pressure shaw the whole fight man. I don't know how people saw this guy fine. Put it in it goes onto who the style judging you know what kind of style urban you had the majority decision you wrong so what I said majority decision here but you man man said the definition that's wrong. Sam Jordan decision all three judges right yeah. I set that different judges well. I'm side. They had a tie. They had a draw. A one car was one fourteen one fourteen and then there was one fifty one fourteen and then one fifty one thirteen. Oh No no no I'm looking right at it. Bre or joining a decision. One judge has to draw the other two drudge. I just for one person a split decision is a one judge happy for one person the other two judges have for others right well. That's what has has it here. There's one draw and then two judges for Tito okay. You're exactly right. Giardi decision sorry about that. That's Okay and then they both twenty six at the time how old is Earl Spencer and in Showtime Puerto Twenty nine thirty so they beheaded more feist veggies did a young as are they had but they also have more fights under their belt but again they were more active. They might have had five fights a year. Whereas now you know three fights is alive for is you know you push it Word Irv man. I wish I was better than right to like with the paper. It wasn't no way to get views without buying right. I mean I was only there. There was always illegal streaming because we had the black box bag. Dan We add in the black by all my guide AH Lagman. I'm telling you the BLAGBROUGH. Paul was on the black box like grade cray yoga speaking of the numbers de la Hoya. The fight shattered to pay per view record for a non heavyweight fight at the time with one point four million William Baas de la Hoya earn nearly twenty five million for his thirty six minutes in the Trinidad was paid a little more than ten million really a sasha a million million million and that was a Bob Arum top-ranked fight no Bob Arum don king and it was the famous grudge Max medical versus but there's just so good to hear it was going to Strasbourg Puerto. Ricans went crazy parade. It was a parade at like midnight brought everybody with a with a back then every might everybody who was. Puerto Rican had a a Toyota Corolla torture WHO's one and engine and they all instead of calling in is that it talk about your your womb by Joe. Ip while again at the High Aurillac Marechal's learn by not how you go on wells more fucking sound bite. You sound like a straight was my man. Lauren Berger May bird call center. How does he do is ship. Biaz more like better clothes you comb and I started up he he he called because of the icy guide on you see them on a half time air by watching football who focus this dude the takeover. That's who for go your the army's Dobro with them just disrespectful Latinos Ma billion of all download music. shes disrespectful respectful but it's a little respect to grammy's how they how they got out and grammy with no on when we noted I get home. Hello Grammy always been when you get a number eighty. He begin nominated. They disrespected. They Wanna come through his spaceship. They no matter of fact bad bunny and even win one. They say how you how bad bunny win one. What about what about Mike Towers feel like what what is your Johndroe. You talked about might tell oh me breaking. You've never heard of my towels. My Man Mike Towers Joe heard might towels negative right his name. His name is naming. You mean ain't spelled like Mike's M. Y. k. e. so Mike how you know what I'm talking about right so yeah Mike. Oh my God Tony Solely so is Mike. Mike our say say your mic towers man who Suzanne Come on man he twenty five he would've you don't mention that they were fucking bad bunny disrespectful as hell gate all right. Let's back box back a unifying just like other great rates. Utah might towers. I was aimed at Joe. I I was and well jumped on Mike Towels tracks. That's how Mike Mike Towels. Pay For feature. Stop playing chant. Amodeo ourselves platelets. You won't be like Yo is it tank top billboard tower words too so billboard song with Faruq. Oh yeah yeah at being apprenticeship your ticket number twelve. You can't get that excited. A A America is it a s or at the End Towers T. O. W. E. R. Tower S as atoms he gotTA SNL and now but there's one do that ain't rose name. Oh the long records in touch on the fact that that that we are lucky 'cause these five like this man -cation between two of the top what to wait don't really happen a lot man. I know we've been screaming for terrorist graphite women screaming for for for Manny Pacquiao to buy one of these guys afterwards so we got to be really really thankful that that we earls parents and Sean order to guys who are willing to put their titles online and get in there with each other. I I know people like him saying that's why I've been preaching that our generation I'll pull our generation versus any because of that like look this the second one people so busy telling us how to Golden Arrow was happening what we have in two. We haven't to in less than two years. Maybe Ford says you've been doing this boxes. Shit May Donna had a regular title. I'm sorry tacky our fluid Keith Thurman and Danny in nine. You got three. We we've seen bring last. I love my era fans I'm no man in. That's why won't get to what a fuck is there. so much Shawn Porter. Hey in disdain is what I hear in the media. It's because there's a lot of Arrow love. That always happens like you always get more fans for one and then fans are so mean bro pack out and that's what I'm saying. I can understand the love for early like we all like early. Damn good find. He's one of the best in the division. Maybe even the best sport but you because you love don't mean you you disrespect denigrate in and just throw sound put her in his team under the bus like wow you know. Can I say it's Eh. It's the matchup whoever if earl spent I mean if Sean Porter when he fought Danny they were praising Sean you know what I'm saying and hating on Danny Danny because Danny what exactly picker so now the cherry picker going get his do his just deserve you know and now right ain't now finally earl true you scare you. WanNa fight earl. It Ain't makes says you want it. Thurman you WanNa Danny. Now you fight because you have to. That's how they do yeah and then you know then you've got the people who just picking now man showing. Does it like shining. I shipped Sean. Sean style was like Sean. When he stepped up he lost? You know so now he's fire. L. Spans Earl spoke the truth Blah Blah Blah Blah. We'll go to boom. Shawn's dirty. The people the one thing we like fan they get past like the bookies like you guys plus six hundred money l. guys plus one hundred. I know not cow probably probably right on par but plus six hundred money money. Are you telling me he he damaged. There ain't got a chance of being earl six to one the only chance what's his chance chances to not get knocked out. That's like his right here like even though channel putting a rose to the occasion when he fought Keith Danny in in in Brook. He's out those guys. He has done a spirit. He's beating guys. He's been beaten daddy so he has enough experience and wherewithal to get in there and give earls bears a way more than people may think. I just don't no no way we were looking at in what we're listening to. I mean a lot of people a lot of people looking at Keio ratio men. I think you know Oh that that that definitely moves the odds in a way in a an in bed but you know you gotta understand that how shop has been in more more high level. It's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind. It's pain and it's getting in between you. In the life. You want to live CD medic. Targets your pain at its source. It's fast acting relief with active. OTC ingredients plus the added benefits of THC free hemp foil get back to your life with CD medic available online and at cvs these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease Z's. It's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind it's pain and and it's getting in between you and a life you want to live. CD medic targets your pain at its source. It's fast acting relief with active. OTC ingredients plus the added benefits of of THC FREE HEMP oil get back to your life with CBD medic available online and at CBS these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose treat a cure or prevent any disease fights high pace twelve rounded than than than Earl so you know I people ready to write man. If those these were is those sued themselves is that what it is is more than that man is more than look the style you know and people people don't get behind that style to mess kissed Aldo. No it ain't miscue style four pressure throwing a hundred thousand pledges not a lot of stamina stamina. He's got a lot of stamina got a lot of roughhouse tactics which which amy legal but fans don't like that. I personally enjoy it. You know kind of reminds Ashby of Mike Shoot. You know like when I like it right so I maybe him versus. Danny I want that. I wanted to clean a fight. Polite him versus earl. I don't want him to fight like Ooh Goss. He needs to be Shawn. Porter versus Devon Alexander Paulie mylan is e to beat you gotta fight right fire with fire and hope that you'll find is fucking flames ownby hope you johnny five his bid who Johnny flame on what was his name Folks Doug. Johnny boy said Johnny robot circle the back to Sean Porter. I I think class movie right there. Bless you look at the two losses of Sean Porter and you know he fought fire with fire with Keith Thurman. You know if that was his highlight reel before earl spence. It will be a big big odds on his side. Listen you looking at that fight for direction. You can see determine doesn't like that. He's on the back foot but he's he's fighting as a counterpunch 'cause he don't like the pressure of earl of Porta so we can earl standing there him back or does he have the stamina. You know what I'm saying. He my gas out who knows the show. Importer have more gas and see earl gassing 'cause. I don't see guys because the way they train right. If you notice they don't throw three points combinations is one two is one too so they okay perfect land in the one to whether it's a jab and straight right to the head or a right well he's softball whether it's a right hook and and then a fucking left uppercut but it's always to punch patents. They've never even in the world. Would we dare James you see Liam is is Papa Papa. Yeah so he got to control the fight with that and I think his his breathe and his pasting raced in there but but but but you still have to train for your opponent right so keeps Darmon. That's what sticks out to me the most most. Yo I had to train for the pressure and the pace of Sean Porter so earl Spencer has to train a little different. He's not fighting Michael. I'm telling you he told true who punched his everything on them. When you gotta chase should be the measure question. Do thank shot put about the same pressure that he brought in to keep the earl. Spencer has the mobility and wheels to like like do what do I keep D. or whether you stand your ground ground no because we've never seen early wills like or how to use wills and what you're saying is like. Do we stand his ground. That's that's actually what I WANNA see. That's why I like this. Because I feel like Sean is the only do that can tell us how a strong earl is. Everybody else's obviously visit visually we get an early like they just don't look as strong as early KIEF. Don't look going to get in there and muscle where Earl and Dan all gonna get in there and start Tux tussling but sean look he fucking wrestle with Sean Looks. You know he's awkward enough. He strong enough that he's going to answer some questions well. He's GonNa ask them questions. That URL got an answer on Saturday night right right. That's why I like this matchup like and like if he fights Crawford. You know it's a boxing match. This only dude that we believe is coming at earl for speed now. Now y'all believe earl when he says and the interview with ready you're writing. He will be disappointed if he didn't don't get a knockout. Uh of Shawn Porter inside show and you will be disappointed. I mean you know he was disappointed. With the Mikey no knockout may I shop port is going to have to use those angles man. I A lot of people think is. Shell puertas strong and he's going to come forward wait. He still my opinion. I stronger longer than spence was going to help him. Out is going to be that you know that four pressure that he's always brought but was going to have to happen. He's going to have to get on on the side of of Earl if he stays in front earl in front of him he he. GonNa get knocked out. That's why it is imperative in this fight for Shaw aw to get on the inside and then get on the angle they don't own angle on you know that you think category. Sean don't owed. I think what whatever that's called setup so who is chess not checkers checkers. You'RE GONNA stand in their chest. You're going to look like you stand there. Boot you out the way so that's chess. I think the chess master here is who Earl Spencer right where we don't know who started that but that's a question. This sean is raising he saying how was he to mask the win. He Ain't been here before he afraid of him. He put his skates on the back foot plan counterpuncher. I'm coming to I'm the dog. He said you heard him bobby but balk wasn't that tough. He it's a real quick real quick adding Lonzo Mike you got good odds on jump on epileptic sign it because I got no no prop bets yet and still plus one hundred reporter minus nine for Earl Spence junior money line money line sean does bring you. I have to agree with that. He will bring in but it's about control so far we we've discussed just a little bit of two fights and I just WanNa point out some things in that. Leonard hearns fight the game plan was give up the first couple of rounds come on strong for Leonard and it worked he got the Tko on an elite level fighter in the fourteenth round of the golden era of boxing fourteen rounds. That's like two extra what we go go and it's like whoa imagine at that late in the fight being able to knock somebody out right so cool then you got. Trinidad Delahoya where again we bring game plan de la Hoya and his team and even I thought he was winning the whole fight like when they told him I'm in the corner. Hey don't you know don't get into a slugfest with this. Do we all know Trinidad Punch. Stay away. They thought they had a whitewash nine two three by giving up the three somehow the judges didn't see it that way. This is definitely a film study but out of the two we've assess. It's been game plan. It gets to win for one man. Chose the right game plan for the other and Oscar de la Hoya. His game plan cost him. The fight still made a shit load money but it cost him the fight now the next fight right if occasion on the docket is foreign money mayweather vs Manny Pacquiao now. I'm GonNa read the details on this. I don't believe this was a unification. Maybe it was maybe it wasn't. Maybe it's on here because of how big this fight was. They're calling it. The richest fight in boxing history. You know it was at least six years in the making we all know how difficult it was to make picked this fight. The two sides cannot come to terms. Do the purses per splits drug testing location's everything under the son you know floyd in Manny. Just get on the same page. May the mayweather was thirty eight years old at the time and pack out thirty six something to know since we're talking about vow when these other welterweight actually forty each other mayweather came into a forty-seven in twenty-six Cao's impact gal fifty seven and five with two who draws thirty eight but neither had stopped an opponent for years both fighters. You know look you all seen that fight. It was a whitewash mayweather took it away. Mayweather fought sue sanctioned boxing matches after that and those were just like the richest fights he could ever do which racked up four hundred ten million in revenue including a record seventy two million live gate also four point six million pay per view buys nearly two million more than the previous record where may whether who earned two hundred million for the PAC gal fight. I mean these numbers of mayweather. Sunday will never be another to come like that. I can only hope and pray for Spence or the winner of this welterweight fight to get as big as that. I don't even know how they get their own version of. May where the the McGregor let alone who's mayweather back yellen this generation's welterweight none because they don't have that fan base horn could have been with the win over pack back Mike Lights to credit but then he failed miserably had he be pack you out and then turned around and show that wasn't a fluke by beating Crawford. A unified got to move up. Maybe it could have been different but biggest fan base if if he would have managed to be Crawford impact down in Brisbane they would've they would have thought motherfucking good Australia market is real. I I had to bring it up but you have this like in a fifty thousand people stadium so a little bit more facts so again he got two hundred Jamila for the packers and they're saying he got an estimated two hundred and seventy million for the McGregor Fai. No wonder the do does it. I mean that's a a lot of money and that's just the purse right yeah. That's just the person who I met all the endorsements. That's nothing that's nothing. That's just well just say earning an estimated well. It doesn't say revenue and just says purse right so look. I didn't read it anything there. That said these guys had bell. Maybe I'll google it and check some all right. I'M GONNA check box boxer the BBC but they always make us yeah but those don't count those are just member to belts for the for the event not an actual bell. You gotta be a champ but I'll tell you now now back out for me whether it was a unification it was for the WNBA WBZ and the WBO shutout champs he. I did it for three bells. This strap me up when he said that after the back strap me up but another uni on the docket is Keith Steve one-time Thurman Versus Danny Garcia they were the sermon was twenty seven over twenty two. Cao's in Garcia was thirty three. You know one thousand nine. Cao's now just for context because people might say our next look Garcia was had just as many fights as hearns and Hagler yes he did but Garcia. CEO was unified at a division below and moved up so this has Garcia already being great and only trying to further attempt at had being greater than it was in a unification fight was a split decision. Unanimous twelve round win for Keith wants unsigned Thurman. I thought he got the clear win. Some people believe this was a tight win. This is a rematch determined definitely talks about so unlike Felix Trinidad and Oscar de la Hoya Mayweather Pacquiao and even Leonard in her hearns. I think we'll get this fight because because again our generation is a little bit better in my opinion not I'm not saying better skilled or anything like that just living in a different time and I think the Danny and Katif if we gotta railroad residing still out here fighting Rosado title shoppers is Billy Joe Saunders possibly on a KFI Logan Paul undercard if that's happening for him with nine and ten loss is Orlando Salita. Ob Schenker with eleven thirteen losses will then yeah. I could see Danny Garcia and Keith wants on Thurman Rematch. Catching even show important Danny Garcia rematch and even Thurman and Trump Puerto Rematch. I can see that happening in the next three year. Now now are bringing it back to the fans but now just like fans hate on show importer with this matchup. There will hate on Garcia so a lot of fans. Don't WanNa see give Danny Garcia lawsuit chance against the Thurman or Sean again because of his record right now coming off a great I would I would coming up in this. I totally oh they'll give it to you. I don't know how people had that fight between German. Danny stood decision. I'd Thurman clearly I'll I'll. I'll buy Danny in that. In a notice I like dating. I picked him against you and that's why I thought keep them with just simply well. Eh Klay on the scorecards one sixteen one twelve one fifteen one thirteen and then one thirteen one fifteen. You Know Barack there that yeah but that's what makes it a split decision casual. No I know but I'm saying that I still how you felt about the fight. You know one judge. Is Your your same. Li- your same in common you know like oh he thought that he did more than throughout the whole fight too easily convince himself that dern won so that's his car at once sixty one twelve but as people that got it on fifteen for Danny and went there. It's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind. It's pain and it's getting in between you and the life you want to live CD medic target. Your pain added source. It's fast acting relief with active. OTC ingredients plus the added benefits of THC free hemp oil get get back to your life with CBD medic available online and that CBS these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease. It's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind. It's pain and it's getting in between you and the life you want to live. CD medic targets your pain at its source. It's fast acting relief with active. OTC ingredients plus the added benefits of THC Free Free Hempel get back to your life CD medic available online and at cvs these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA this product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent Antony Disease Thurman definitely people out that he got it off the team for Danny but this was WBZ WBA titles titles on the line. It took place in Barclay Center. It definitely set a record. I believe there was about sixteen thousand there. you know good fight good fight worth a rematch if they can do it. You know we'll see. I don't know Danny is slowly getting himself back into that seidel consumption. I would like to see him. Get that fight with Garcia. Both Garcia's need to see each other make a fighter for PAC L. Can we mentioned one more thing that happened. Offer that Keith Thurman Danny Garcia fight that after that fight keep Thurman did not return yeah. He took twenty two months off and hasn't and you know Danny. Garcia's camp claims that you know dare fight chains. He's who keep one time is I mean you know and and in a way keep con- admitted it. He said you know. Danny hit me in the elbow that if he would hit me in the Chin I probably wouldn't have got up and all this stuff stuff like that probably messing up his quote find yourself but it was something like that that'd be said any final thoughts aw this what about this before we go to find out those now that we mentioned these big name welterweight unification's is porter and spence on the level of sugar ray Leonard in hearn's. Yes weather pack cow Felix Trinidad and Oscar de la Hoya Keeping Danny Garcia ASEAN India. Yes I agree. This is a good fight a great fight and unification. It's going to shake up. It's going to shake things up depending in an film study maybe on Sean just to kind of get a sense of what each fighter must do this weekend in order for them to prevail if you can actually be ready yesterday. Hey I was ready. Mike's you what up I'm like what's the topic air by went dark on low right. Now we catching it early We could go back and see some of the things that url was doing early in his career. I wanted to look back at some of the unanimous decision fights. He won the ones that he didn't Tko Ko to see what exactly the other fighter may have done the issue with that is a you know a Mike likes to say this or give fighters a pass that is he's like you know he couldn't get up at Cadet Anal. That ain't a sean going get up for Sean. He Ain't GonNa get up for that. Guy You know that's why he looked at different for Sean because he understands the danger of Sean Porter but that being said we got called us in case any of you guys getting final thoughts before we get to callers and sponsors yeah my my thought is this is the best of the best and it is. They are both champions for a reason you know and they both have styles and again. We heard it repeatedly styles make fights and we also heard everybody. Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face. Does that one two punch pace change earl. Sean Puertas Plan. Does the roughness change inch aerospace plan those my last final thoughts and that's where I stand on. This fight is fight week. Let's go call it. I'm sorry this this so this is something you can give me your thought on because this guy people in a chat sagamore Crawford versus ooh guys and honestly. I don't like that right like I was. I know Mike thinks he's elite and I'm the one saying he's not elite and that's what I'm saying like Portas GonNa. Ask questions of early we could get some answers to is guys going to ask any questions of Crawford can't go can't go on the way he fights as a boxer. You can't go out there and try to abide standard crop. You'll get your air. I mean Uganda's afford fighter. He doesn't really sit there and start to get pretty go enough man. I just watched it's that fucking fight with with with Figueroa. He wasn't land his hands going. Figueroa's start his career thirty. He let his hands go show. Put Her. I mean oreilly not not really listen dog when you get robbed because you ain't do enough. I've been saying that Shit for years you the only robbery this blatant still to this day since I've been doing this is Paul Williams versus laundry or the blatant one where where was so obvious they had to fight a judge's indefinitely a lot of versus like he ain't doing that wasn't blatant. No Laura's always on the back foot. He's always on the back foot his win a fight on the bachelor so what I'm China tell you. There's a whole bunch of factors that go into a decision bro you gotTA. You Ain't GonNa just sit there and say that that you get robbed when you don't do enough new era you get a whole bunch of fucking waves so Oscar de la Hoya fought on the back foot. That's why he didn't win rob. You get robbed with on doing enough. He thought he has a fighting. The bag but you just said do enough do enough is not getting robbed. If you do enough you win when you don't know skew listening when I heard you don't do in exactly and you're saying robbed when you don't do enough. I'm saying do enough and you will not be robbed. We say if you WANNA use the word rob though that's not being robbed that's being scored against. Can I get back to my when you say is this on the level of Mayweather Paki Yeah about Oscar and Trinidad I would say no. I think those fights were events and I think those by just GonNa allowed more attention but will they be as competitive as those lights. Absolutely I definitely agree that. This fight is definitely going to be like I said it's the top topped the the best of the best topic in the division and I beg is going to be a damn good fight and we'll see what the way in the world at the despite so you're saying this. This fight ain't garner the attention back Acura though the did you see no need again in comparison just just at a particular Tito Trinidad. I don't know how you can't put it on that man. That's Mexico versus Puerto Rico. That was a fucking legend in Oscar. Versus says the fucking Darling in Trinidad Trinidad is still Puerto Rico's Best Na Koto. I mean Kodo replaced Trinidad. Co Hat the event so he he was giving the torch. He Ain't replace here. Replace Ukraine replaced placed why he won he beat Zab Judah. You Puerto Rican not me so. That's how you how you feel. Let's see how many more Puerto Ricans for that way but I don't think they feel I don't know in order to go ahead and smash the thumbs up. Show even love Puerto Rico Brab went to Caguas. I said this story before Fucker Code. They call him a drunk. Tito's loved. I loved in its doors. There's different manager is all is the old degeneration we now talking about the generation again. I mean maybe I don't know we'll. We'll see maybe things changed for fur coats because remember you know post pack out. He had a whole different career. Maybe things change nowadays you know but he still was Koto Diva. He never fought Ganapati. He waited all his life to fight Sergio Martinez and he fought him with braces on like come on Bro. He got a catch way with he make another fifty five pound catchweight for sixty pounds title like Koto Got Diva Number Trinidad wasn't off that Shit Trinidad was. I if I'm be hopping Oscar Cadila Hoyas a whole different thing and we got a couple of that. I want to get to get to the calls. We've got one coming from a big super. Mex Josie Rodriguez Got Sarah's Oscar put a clinic here. I guess he's talking about the judge. Tell you where everybody thought. He had to fight in the bag. It's like how you you ain't give him a non three. You know what I'm saying. They're bad a blow to film study but in the eyes of of Oscar and his trainer they thought in the ninth round they had to fight in the bag control them stay away from do now now. Now now knowing that do you the go-to. Do you say like Damn what if the rules were like in Texas Open scorecard. It would have been a different fight. Yeah it would have been a different fund. We got one coming from Harada the widow so we at like Siri sale one hundred tickets he said the whole place and people who who told mom out of wiling I think so I think a thousand or three thousand of someone like like I sold a million dollars worth of tickets. Yeah I mean yeah. I mean I mean there's not a very big eight. Oh alongside them so like a million dollars and the first thirty minutes or something like that we got one from Angelo Claritin so gee-gee Erskine yellow. One was not a robbery then this now. I didn't and that mean you ain't do enough. You GotTa do enough. I'm just keeping real look. I never thought Gennady one that I I never been on record saying Doggie Ninety one that I fight you so you know what I'm saying like you call live robbery and I'm telling you are never seen him. When I see and then I can come back and beat them even better the second so just that fight just too close to Colorado Oughta Rob Rob what I'm saying you ain't doing enough. That's why it's called the robbery when you fucking. Dude's ASS and you to one coming forward and you making a fight nonstop and other duties on that's obvious if they rob you Brazilian coming from that but so many backyards jeff for it wasn't a robbery you see how scored I went back and scored it. I had pack your winning. The Ashi requested don't don't don't go to the school and what I did back in one thousand nine hundred eighty two the question. Was it a robbery yet. Wait a minute. Wait a minute so you tell me that we did a film study. Think about what you're laughing at my just take about it actually about the fans they nasty just the question the package do it wasn't a robbery relevant. That's what I'm saying energies the same. That's the whole reason you're not argued in ended up doing films on because I always hate the humidity. You're not listening to me. Please let let me finish you can get it. You and I have always argued on whether pack. y'All was robbed. We argued so much we turned around rounding did a film study in the film study. I felt that music and some of the people in the chat which you say we're only one proved approved that it was a robbery so how is my energy different from today saying it's a robbery I went on. I went on record during the film study. 'cause I felt so Woah so aggressively about the robbery talking about you. Remember it if we watching it but that's kind of the point nobody Lisa guys. It was a robbery and our Chad. Nobody labeled it as a robbery when we was going here no no in our chat what they labor was the scorecard. They realize that you would lie on your scorecard you own you what I. I don't believe I was Mar.. Well okay. I want to judge. I Apologize Open MIC because I don't want you to take offense. I Apologize. I'm going to tell you this associated your laughter doering conversation of specific round in scoring so I'm GonNa give you an example we would say. Mike I scored Corral Brown three four pack down. You'll be glad you would say you scored for the other guy and then we would like what and you'll be like year and Laugh Jeff and we like might not serious. I'm serious so we thought you were joking. You know at every round up everywhere. Iran is is this the film study is up man. You got to go watch it. You can clip it. You can do whatever you want to it and bring it back mm-hmm. I don't think I was portraying. I being portrayed accurately and this district description. I'm just saying do you feel that that because of your mannerism laughter one could believe you weren't being truthful on your scorecard. I don't know I don't i. I remember a lot of sarcasm but you're right. I forget plenty of shows so I'll go with me. I still stand on the record pack says Rob Knbr Dope Pack. y'All got rob. Okay just like my scorecard. Indicates are are so so was dead more of a robbery. Marie Laure you see the situation was different because because of blood bra there was blood whenever there's blood aching aching blur the mind of the Judges Canola Laura was no blood juice this a very high level skill boxing match with one guy choosing to move more than the other Cannella was the true Mexican boxing becoming the foreword. Laura was the true Cuban counterpunch in in going backwards and that's why lost the fire but I think his work was cleaner. I'm not going to never lie about that. I'm on record. I think laws work was cleaning just like many believe. Laura won that fight so so that so. Do you agree that. There's other influences says besides you not doing enough that can affect no you're set it. I just said that Laura was doing the cleaner punch him but going backwards while the Mexican execute was coming forward boxing Laura. GotTa do more you got. You not the chance you'd is that was that fight in Vegas. I'm sure probably I don't know I don't know maybe maybe Vegas Texas. I don't know so what I'm saying is that do you agree that. There's IT's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind. It's pain and it's getting in between you in the life you want to live. CBD Medic targets your pain at its source. It's fast acting relief with active. 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Other factors outside of the boxers didn't know because the scorecard still the judges so when when when when that lady gave Floyd a draw card that was still the judge and let me tell you that was very consistent with her. She loves CAMELLO. She loves CAMELLO. She always scores for Cannella. She loves his aggression. Just like I will let them in loves us. A style recipes loves that Ruseler of style. He says it all the time used to say all the time like. Oh clean effective punching Jim I like my punches to come forward and be clean effective. Oh he's he's he's being aggressive but he's not being affected like he love come forward aggression. That's why he was in love with Inaki so there's John There's different types of styles judging and and and if you're depending on who judging that night on your fight Yup it it can have an impact on what your performance might be perceived as headed this way. If I go and become a real judge right. I'm going to school for the rest of the world I got always do. I always school for the boxer so I'll be considered to eliminate bird. That's all I'm telling you. I'M NOT GONNA. Change my a style. That's what I like. I like the do the hits and doesn't get hit and then that gets caught up in he ain't working enough now and that's where my phrase he ain't did enough. That's I got rob because when the judges don't see you moving enough letting your hands go enough. That's low category. Go you fall under show show. Who's WHO's the worst robbery. The worst rivalry that I that I think is on documenting that I like like this did a little bit of research thing was Muhammad Ali and Ken Norton. I write the Phantom Punch shifts the oldest already yeah yeah yeah he was. He wouldn't oh but he wasn't the same same younger and she's yeah. I'm pretty sure man. We would have lived through the era. I'm sorry I didn't even know you hear all I'm saying on a saying. Is I agree when you don't I understand when that's coming from went when you don't do enough but like sometimes your enough faint angle cut it is gonna be left onto the styles adjudging the styles a refereeing so in all honesty like the did you you do the only thing you could do his knock a motherfucker out for sure. That's how you guarantee a win. You know what I mean. When you got close fights. There's always going to be a a and a B side a one saying good things about this fighters play and what the other one did rarely do. We robberies where the person that Garoppolo was the person out work in the other guy. If you outworking you out working it's undeniable. It's unhealthy unhealthy and when you do at work and get Rob Paul Williams versus Islam Laura will happen referees will be fired. Indefinitely the boxing world will will turn a fucking whatever the phrases turning by everybody will write stories. Where are those is that we aint talking about him because they don't really exist. My man just got out work or in work enough and he didn't get the nod people say phrases like he ain't doing enough to take it from the champion that mean he ain't fucking out working. GotTa Out Workman outworked somebody. You Ain't getting rob you just say but I could be rollers. That's just my opinion anyway. We're going to watch these calls. We talked enough remember to write his five stars on Itunes. These calls are brought to you by El Camino electrical services services experts and electric vehicle charging stations for consultations and turnkey installation visit us at El Camino electrical services dot dot COM perfect example in the chat. Someone said Harare was robbed against Danny Garcia Puerto Rico. That's the perfect example of what you go back and what Herrera Herrera not doing enough especially as pitty. Pat Punch versus the fucking champion in his first time in Puerto Rico though you know you will a. b. c.'s stop acting like boxing perfect and if you will fight fan stop acting like boxing is perfect. You're gotta work. US off or you will be he denied. You're right and an example of working ass off. Is Andy Ruiz versus. Aj I mean that's different because those knockdowns undeniable liable when you when you got evidence that will make a judge look like a Cheetah scorer for you. Well that goes to what Alex say. He say you gotTa Stop Them. The only way you stop remaining get stop his first time. Everybody starts so Saturday. Shawn Porter quarter whose plan is always to out work all his opponents has to prove that I mean well we hopefully he don't change the game implant. Fuck is getting a big fire want to change things up so hopefully you don't change the game plan going there. Being a Puerto we normally be buzzsaw porter and is really the earl to seek a he lands into to make porter. Stop being reporter saying you're saying the Puerta that we know can has a higher potential shoe to be aerospace. That's what you're saying. I'm saying I can't wait to see the real porter we know. Devon Alexander vs mylan is easy even sprinkle in some of the therm importer versus this report that we got to see what earl can do when he got a force coming at him. Finally you know Algeria was a boxer. Coburg was a boxer. I mean this is his fighter. This is I fight. A Peterson also hog using wheels like also small. Do moving up forty pound the move up. I'll jerry moving up. This is a do this. A grown man man has been in there with men and this is the right test. This is the perfect test we go. We get some answers for sure. We're going out to Bouma Ranga Dominic in Seattle the as a Boomerang Mr Sam talk. You believe shot on the Horse. You're Mr Z. Mike with good Nassar's good Dumi. What's good Max Aitken Yeah. Yeah it don't matter if you win by inch or mile races the race the I am. Let me paint the sector. Let me paint this picture. My so Victoria not had the same stop to me as some porter Shawn Porter and when i Victoria Floyd he was giving him trouble in Florida on the back foot now. We know that L. Spence was I L Spence was when he bought a farm when he was gonNA fight when he fights people use the he's not on the back for usually goes he you know uses angles and shit so I say Sean Quarter is GonNa lose and you know 'cause Victor Tease had style but spence beat up for my within the sparring some had to say and when it comes to fans people really never was a song Puerto Fan because how dirty was with the brutal fight so you can't really say he has the best wins could even with Danny Garcia. I still think Danny Garcia kind of one but he didn't let his hands go because people can't figure out his style he does that it little by little like football like the runner back style. He tried to come at you like I'm a natural so I think else thinks will get on because you had going out to Texas. WHAT DOES NOT VERSUS DOT COM. Aw Boykin Mellow suit me pop. What's what's happening fellas. That did this morning Zurve. Let me look let me go ahead and double a mess. 'cause I got to do some of us. It means my boomerang right now. I actually Delahoya it was he was up nine unders your versus Trinidad you know that that's a clear robbery but he got his get back because Felix beat the brakes of Oscar and they they just downright Rod Batman for the world to set up the Bernard happy by so commodores come back around eventually Felix sound got a few robberies in Germany but and also another thing you talked about Oscar being no against sitting there but member he won his first world title at one thirtieth whoever no on the way to Trinidad he part he fought pernell whitaker twice Camacho. I quote a Alaska was was a special man. There's not a lot of people touching Oscar but onto the spencer porter thing you're great unification. It's great to see this despite a it's a great treat and it was getting so many of these rarities especially in the division. you know. I'm not a fan of porter style what I'm interested to see how rough and how uncomfortable he can make earl and see how aero really comes through some adversity. I I think I was going to do well and I'm looking for a body shot to set up everything body. The body South be the difference in this fight and I think Puerto is GonNa Revert back to what he's what he's known for so definitely my way Saturday night. Yeah you're going to get the film. Study do film study. I'm Brooke where suspense and then Thurman German border to kind of get a gauge whether that against high level opposition but that's my common big supermax thanks for calling in. We got Texas in building strong o'clock tomorrow so my Texas don't get guys who knows from was calming chimney smoke now still stealing get it. Mo- master flags fucking dues man is young with snap is hard to get a ticket. What a what a so what else yelling shit man you could say he didn't. Oh you know let his hands go. I get it but down this how you know proper that good right when you can when you can be like man. Ed Dude Ain't no competition and he gave all your top fighter competition you get yourself a rough with the when they come to Crawford the man. That ain't a run for your money competition man you gotta you gotTa beat him for me to consider you a biker to win either either way either way if I could have went either way. You're going back watching and looking for looking for that's what it is but I you know listen. That's how the paper versus Porter Robert Dan. Tell Bob son of them showed up broder pro. I would mud rather watch gu-guy. I offered me machine. You know what I'm saying. I gotTa Stop Crawford's resume his entire career. I Rather Watch Tim Alberta like let this motherfucker get a real dude on his resume man. We still talk them again. Boa Ten twelve years later meg who and and you should know yeah. I know I took guy saying the top five welterweight right BR in some people mind before for you you you heard you earlier. Message got beat you got to be he walks ought to wait man. It's gross pistol. I made to face those guys dog just like face just like plenty. People Tell Horn. He lost a pack blackouts who his face but that's what I'm telling you. That should don't matter to the matter they make mad when it's coming from a fighter but you are thinking has a little bit a little bit more esteem on. Bro What you mean how many fighters say how many fighters were saying hall was food after the Packet Alpha. How many fighters now everybody was talking about the same thing? Might I'll try. Don't try to separate the two both of them does the same thing because both of them besides that nobody thought one as crazy how awkward to his face then he who is in Cairo he WANNA fight Horn but now offered Albright all right. What what does that mean nece? Don't Cha builder in aerospace are fighting is all about the buildup song about the buildup yeah you should on new because he was in the middle built up. Don't full meddled up and like what are you doing this us. Why are you shitting on. What am I building me. What you think earls building up. That's not point you. He says it's all about the build up. What are you building bringing up Jeff Horn and keep what when I said it's all about the build on my Earl Earl Sande yeah well. He said I understand it but you KN- number all I'm saying is Uganda's is ex Cuban Olympian. He meddled up at Beijing He. He's not just some. It's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind. 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I found that a walk in bar and that is this way is one hundred and thirty pound demand so sit there man sit there and think about that for a little while while sits in man boomerang going to troy talking about Crawford versus. I'm side Puerta Verse Fence Right 'cause I'm listening mm-hmm and as usual you all over the place right. Y- you okay good. I didn't hear you Michael. You can read right. Okay Nah no. I can't actually go with history. This morning went over his head of a deadly. I thought he was GONNA call. Actually I actually just called in so I mean I actually just got on the phone. I don't know what Y'all doing later this morning but I'm GonNa go with four. We saw a golden ordinary era. I now see no. That's wrong. I don't have a era. I like boxing era the golden era of the welterweight division. Let me just let it cool cool cool. Let me just make take my point. I'm GONNA go with Porter. I'm go would porter even though I noticed the better boxer and so forth but I think Puerta is going to ask him. A lot of questions goes I've yet to see anyone actually made earl fight at a faster pace that he wanted to and I believe that's what National Puerto Brings. I don't think he's going to bull rush him and fight the stupid fight that people are talking about even I I don't. I don't see that happening but I really see Puerto. Pretty much squeaking out a decision. There'll be some ugly points to it but it'd be it'd be a good fight is the first time in a while. I can say that I'm excited excited to see a fight. 'cause you got two guys that basically the top of their game both go young fighters camp leads low frank candid judge. The holiday was an a fellow shot thereby shot out of the body for Mega Media Rangel. Yeah I mean I wanted to say real quick. The even shot talking Shit. We got them Nishad. No no matter who the fuck out put in Negga be Mike Tyson himself and God. They'll hang on digging shower but do you like to fight yeah. I'm forced to give us guys four men. You know look it is then they got the REGIA Vance. He got height advantage. Wait event. He's a box. Don't be competitive because porter eight the box reporter at Tom. Wants to be in there. Bro Guys is just going to hold his hands in his pocket. He wants Crawford. Star pop shot in the shootout with the accuracy. Come on there's that ain't our problem. We just got whoever flick output in front of a Co.. We can't get demand man. We won't Yank in Las Anyway. Dreaming Dreaming always say I don't care who we get it. Don't Mat Fighting Game Kavalyauskas. We'll we'll we'll too but I don't even want to keep timer fight. Normal got another surgery on his little hand and key congess real quick keep not Sino moment he gave them to. It only unified champs. Iu Man's unify man step up man man's unify in the Welterweight Division Glamour Division have money to do this. You know who is here. Hey out heavy basis. You better be careful. So you better be careful. You Call Journal Common. She bring you withdraws stone. Why bring it Nigga at at the bed and show baby. You don't fucking here Orlando. Well Orlando going on here yeah. They're all man. All I really don't i. I heard Mike Mike urban shocked betting on I mean Damn plus five hundred reporters Elliott. That's why he ain't no bobby so even Ebay disrespect import of the odds may porter less of more of an underdog Mikey they wiling they say do I started his career at twenty two or twenty six happy. I didn't know that I agree I agree with you on that. Every brought the mighty mighty no those they plan on alone. Mikey Mikey Mikey should have been lowered. I making should have been a little. I think I really think I was Gonna I would. I don't think you can knock him out but I I. I think it's going to be a unanimous decision. It'll be a tough fight in an exciting right nope. I don't make an and nobody not even see what peed in everybody getting ready ready to behavioral begin anyway. Look I deserted short picked port got Jamaica. Don't take good man yeah I I don't want to be. I don't want to be right choice. No so please join Joe pick before Friday. Li I additionally bad Karma man. I don't WanNa fuck with me secondly when it comes down to a rally this is how it works. You got three judges if welcome to and judges say do what he would. What now what you do is you replay the fight all the other judges. If all the judges say the other guy I worked with robbery but those two judges steel have leeway so so if they say do want officially do what but if ninety nine percent of the other judges who could have been chosen as places those Gordon for the other guy then boom. It becomes a robbery now last point when it comes to number of fight. I don't measure greatness on number. I'm as a greatness on age all the age of the fighter so of course right now twenty three it do overseas doing it's much greater than if she was thirty years old with the same resume doing doing well the aide. League like Loma Chanko Beer in the Amazon at twenty one and twenty four or five amateurs that never turned pro. I don't give credence for that shit because floor. Mitee jeep after all at twenty one twenty two twenty three twenty four combining professionals who will catch them doc. I mean the way he referenced that he said if you owe thirty with the record of shields I don't give you the same credit but then I I on the other hand would because if you are thirty years old and you still are achieving Clarisa shields is achieving with the same number of fights yeah. I think you all special because we all know you lose a set time you. You can't outrun Father Tom so if you still doing it at thirty especially at the rate right of course with the record or Clarisa. I think you still might have to get more credit because again. The motor skills motor skills die at that age they slow oh down year but you got fights and you gotta spirits and you get paid like you can rely on being a this. When you look in sports you hardly ever received the young athletes really go out and win a championship you don't really see it in the NBA last person I think I've got my mind was ninety. Johnson awesome backed Beck and they come out of college twenty one twenty years old when NBA Ring Nfl quarterbacks don't win championships when a young person person back and think about is being big being his first year and in the League but he had a hell of Fire Devious Hellfire running game he was around the hall of famers he he had to win the MVP so when you're can be twenty three years old like a John Jones or a Christian shields those you can accomplish a been three were going to be a time world champion and three different weight divisions. I think that gives you a lot more credit than somebody who's been around for. Seven eight years in that career knows the game Gabby. I'm saying that's what I'm saying I he I was saying that that's probably what he meant but but that's what I say he referenced the different he said if you're thirty and and you got Clara's record I give you less credit than what Coletta's doing at twenty three I with this so now was missing. There is being thirty and being active until the age thirty but if you're telling me you start in that thirty and you're able to do with Clarisa done that's different. Bro Credit Y- uh if if you're started boxing thirty and different he didn't preference Yo. If a fighter has been fighting all they life and now they turn thirty and now they do a clarisa. That's different. He didn't say that if he meant that totally different we Ringwald Danny Yoyo Ma Morning Good Morning Good morning daddy my bad brush totally forgot what you WANNA fucking ride. I saw I've just been listening to you. Guys Driving Lakes. Bring you guys fight week coverage so I just did not too boxy boys boxing transit rewarded but now everybody having to go on broadcast one of the scents on a few do things you know Kinda nest brought on the Co our era of Boston and I just want people to truly realize how fortunate we've been. You know you know whatever the case may be. We've seen wonder beauty three years and Alexander and occurs frosty right. We don't come across that too often. We this this will be the eleven. Well wait you in the last forty years Horowitz. It's I've seen in my so you know. Boxing is far from De Paul. It's only going to big embedded thing you know I I just wanted to trying to get my thoughts out there on that but you know everybody has a great day. We got the press conference today. Under car press conference tomorrow the way of Friday they play Saturday. I cannot wait. Chant you already know man. Thanks for calling in and get that good coverage. We got mastermind on and Owen Ano- leg man. Ah Check this out spins. Go Fuck. This NIGGA is going to be brutal Brown. 'cause what I'm saying does a lot of frustration a lot a lot of people including doors on him bill and not they can't fuck nuts on a pilot. It's time to sit down at the medicine your a day imported refers won the the Nag call doc porter for the please come to the vet. Dr Reddy's seat is mad at Shannon and she'll style. They say he going now this motherfucker out co coordinator initiative right now. Dr. is going to be a stoppage is going to be a mother. fucking eight round. Stop is Kim Joy and the child because he loved his certain man and his life add box. You're I'm I'm looking at. I'm looking at it demeanor. I'm looking at aggression. I'm looking at the swag. I'm looking at the confidence breath. They ought to five were they got pretty fired right now again the it a to wow the aerospace and G. Russ vestry peabody believe when they see some thematic yeah g Russell is he a it a Gary Eight hour g Russell was Tom. You're you're hearing me right Iraq. Yoi Rica going back to what as you were talking about when they were talking about like a b side going in there and I work in a chance we shut up bring up Andrew Anthony Joshua the better fight out of that would have been to you bring up past inferior and Klitschko because nobody thought it was going to go into Germany outboxed Klitschko. You know that's an example of somebody going in and out work in the chant good with I also got robbed and then by one and not working enough. He took the last three around thinking he had thought he did enough but he didn't do enough from there is Basler throughout rob. When it comes to this I think early song it's not on the level of those unification because this is is the first step back to getting the welterweight on that level because Keith was doing everything he got hurt. took the time up now. This is getting back to where it is towards awards undisputed and that's what builds the fights bigger like an heavyweight division. When you get closer to undisputed that's win. The fights get bigger. That's my call. Absolutely I totally agree. James Payne leaked. What's the big deal. Where can you get pizza bread into a specialty chicken and more for just five ninety at Domino's cookie Brownie. He's going. There's a lot of variety on the radio and domino's to where you can talk to item. Minimum piece of bone in wings bread bowls will be extra asked for this limited time offer prices. Participation Delivery area charges me very it's a new season. 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They could be older and they just put it together at the right time. They could be a young female like look it or or David how he so so young. He was able to capture the world title. I just think it's just all on their fighter on the team around him they to help them. In the maturation process I wanted to make a comment about the bid a few like bookies they rely on really heavily on artists especially were earl he has that's all he has what you WanNa see. If it's somebody you want to put some money on you know real just to meet. He just looks better. Then then saw the software does not there. I I mean not a good looking guy fast by style real rugged and everything like that. I'm not saying it's a pretty broad sense but I'm just saying like earl has all of the things if you will the other you feel more comfortable putting your money on his guy. They get their floor endorsement in this other than the hair some really worth for fights and doesn't really doesn't really win in impressive in a press of fashion. I will say Sean has sold adult or he's going to have to get inside this Saturday. I speak very active. I think people think the cut it. Thanks for calling in we don. DVR Few production the FALLAS Fallas fellas. I doing this morning Sunday morning. It's all good man. It was good it. It was good to hear yeah talking about those school in no I I love all the areas of boxing. You know not a child to watch them. All you know but only thing different about Meyer areas. That is was the old you know what I mean. Back in. My Day didn't care about the old lose. The rematch was even better and you got even better fighting. You know now. It's about their own. Nobody wants to lose it. You GotTa get paid a whole hell of a lot of money but it's unhelpful fighters in air right now however fires and in this particular fighters this weekend oh man. I hope it's a remake enough hagler in her. That's what I'm looking for but I'M GONNA. Give you my prediction. I feel though that earls GonNa win by decision. It's not gonNA. It'll be knockout when you get up to the very suddenly you get knockouts and that's pretty much all. I got right there and I feel those going to be a good fight. I think Sean and then we're GONNA try a whole bunch of different things but they should stick with the full court press if they're gonNA make it a good fight over than that. That's my call. I have a great week all right well. Thanks for the call the J. Haul coal boxing news on G. We Got Checkmate box and talk to them. I'm not saying I'm good with my with. I want to say I think I think y'all giving Sean would way too much quiet the reason why I'm saying this all the years we've been watching Shawn poured. We know he's a bulldog right. We know he's going to bring the intensity we know he. Are you going to bring that bulldog style but that's it. He is so limited in a reason why you can wear you saw him in this by against Ou guys. He tried to back back. He looked very very awkward in case fact. I don't even think he won that fight. Okay so now. We're talking about earl spins. The Guy who I thought was a just a bulldozer. You know an effective efficient bulldozer but what he showed when he fought Mike you throwing a thousand thousand eighty punches in boxing. He outboxed the box that opened my eyes to show me the multiple dimensions the X. and people are not respecting that and a caller call in GonNa say they say oh he's he's going to push earl heart and he's ever been put Negga a thousand eighty punches. How many more how much harder can you push that okay and I'm GonNa tell you Mike? I'm GonNa Fight Mike I'm doing. I'm getting a wheelchair to knock you the fuck L. My I'm a I'm a fight got them If you keep you put dot respect or Earl Spencer's name stop doc okay you gotTa respect angle if I tell you say well. I'm GonNa say you gotTa respect the map of the skills he would until you got up out cutting. What are you doing get a reaction from my but what you got two thousand eighty punches but you have me saying this next go fight motherfucking Marvin some shit and he keep Marvin at his jab and he Palmar and for the whole be round in boxing his head offer now if I don't give a fuck about that marlins little go knock that little fuck out here no you. There's no distract 'em tomorrow but I've seen you in a rain. I've seen you. I assume they're focused right right last night while we talk tagging I've seen earl demolished this killer fucking straight pressure presser what I'm saying is this row he he he's talking about two thousand eighty punches and all that but like mikey wisdom offer can punch bag for among a lot of the time you punching bag with his hands up so of course I'M GONNA keep letting off shots. That ain't will happen reporter. You Ain't just going to be put a standing in front of you trying to block shots all day. You have a lot of shit coming back toward you so and that's the the same issue I have with. Peterson Peterson had his gloves up too but we got talks Florida morning show again you know and I feel like you know this unification bout between these two is a big deal. You know because that's my main thing about that. I WANNA see nor week classes champions by hi in champions for getting one belt in jumping and all that bullshit you know so me. I'm happy as hell about the fight and you know I Miss Danton. Stand on Mike Gravel and I say I believe that you know spends going beat them. Probably out welcome you know get the decision or whatever but you know the show important ain't. GonNa be no walk in the park so so in that's all I got. Thanks for the show again Majed. Thanks for calling in. We going out to that one white boy. John will do whatever loved smashing shit needs biscuits at McDonalds. Now what the Fuck Oh wow anyways but like I've been saying it's going to take downstairs. He's coming in Bro. He's don't take them down. Expensive never been tested like that and how dare you say that who is now on a fucking high level nest. How do I said Lee is okay. A lot of people said he'd beat Porter. Oh so oh now given our moral victories again every morning. We got all victims to give all right. I mean he said he'd and bre sounded like more victories than me. Chambi well what about Keith Olbermann importer is an elite level fighter. I mean of course puertas world champion right anyone. Anyone is belt from an elite level fighter in a fight with an elite level fighter and Danny but a lot of people said Oh gosh beat border so is not an elite level you don't get more victories. A lot of people said fury beat wow the did he win did beat while my opinion. I mean the actors saying Oh my God. It's okay buddy. Get the window. You got to draw got robbed. He didn't get the window and they don't well and if you get a draw you en- do enough though absolutely no but I agree I think I think Uganda's the top level fighter one one hundred percent. That's just my opinion in my opinion right could strike fog with it. We got all right so we got a skype. Call with no name all numbers and if you haven't spoke we talking to you nineteen. There's you is emme have no name. I don't know how to work this. I'm a first time caller maintenance wine. I'm calling from Mexico. Go city longtime listener appreciate the work shipping Bonito's COMPA I wasn't wasn't I see just down and I miss go city now. I heard about it. I heard there was like a big mess but I don't usually watch that. You'll see so yeah anyway fight week kind of excited. I believe spence shoot win but there's a reason to fights are fight and spends his taking a tough fight so that's gotta mean mean something. the takeaway from this promotion is that it will be spence. Put on twitter like reminiscent of the Nintendo Game Punch out. It was escort like aerospace clear out or something like that. Yes I see I see Crawford. He mentioned Crawford. I seen that that's that's what I mean. That's what I like to hear from a fighter. He says he wants to clean out the division. After porter he's going after Thurman. He's going for back yellow and then he's going through and I'm not one to say what a person should or should not do but I believe Crawford personalities holding came a little bit back. I would like to see him so demanding manning the BBC to feed him one of these champions you know like hey I want me Danny. Give me who ever but I'm I'm going to. I'm coming this way you know but he wants Kaminski's career. They went the way he wants to `scuse career so I hope he works for him. I would like to see him fight the BBC could stop short for this past. We've done shows telling fucking Deontay wilder who ten times more popular than rock and Crawford may makes way more the money then Crawford fucking is in the better division in Crawford. That's the real welterweight. Division is the fucking heavyweight division sure. Hell Yeah Hell Yeah this glorious glorious divisions the heavyweight division of bring all the casuals. That's while the numbers do that's that's. That's not get hung up on that. Let's not get hung up on the point. I'm trying to make is that we even stress Deontay to get the ring. We asked the onto you ain't going to that fight a come on chair do for your chair a he and a better the negotiation positioned in half these dudes so we gotta stop giving cross paths may need to show up at this fucking the Ring Laura de Yeah did at the press conference. Andre didn't Laura people have done it go clubber Lang. We said it before man. We said it before. You know what's interesting nested at this. This opinion is coming all the way from Mexico City so it's not just from the American fight fans not just from across the pond. It's also coming from down. South they. They WANNA see him be more more of a people's Champ Joe. I mean he could do whatever he wants to. The end of the day here talk about anybody for him and his family but I understand all like if you're trying to build a real legacy where people are. GonNa Remember you love you. Talk about you and all that other stuff. That's the type of stuff you gotta do glow Hadman going down in history as the only chance with fans say hey. He's got an attitude like we we talk history today. Fans Love Oscar Phase Love Tito. They love Leonard hearns. I'll I'll I'll see them but you know he owned he own. Look as good as like you know what I'm saying. He must've took some punishment. I ain't follow career but you know what I'm saying. They still love him anyway. Anyway you see them at all. all the Casto Hall of fame every time you know like are they gonNa Love Crawford Winnie Glow. He got it. He got he gotTa Oughta. Open a everybody done. Even Earl Earl has been forced to do it. He was just on TV saying this. What you gotTa do if you WanNa be a star Paul and and I think Crawford could be that type of person that they could reach so many lives He's relatable. You know what I'm saying. He has a great story. I it's just not how much people know about as just not made to open up man somebody that that's true but chew on the spot where you gotta open up got media obligations and you've seen him coming out of his shell lately. You've seen him on Joe Rogan. You've seen him on some on some on some things. You take like somebody asks him. There's young man this young man. I don't know maybe they should get to know him. They relate to him. I am so it's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind. It's pain rain and it's getting in between you and the life you want to live. CBD MEDIC targets. Your pain added source. It's fast acting relief with active. OTC ingredients plus the added benefits benefits of THC FREE HEMP oil get back to your life with CBD medic available online at CBS. These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose knows treat cure or prevent any disease. It's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind and it's pain and it's getting in between you and the life you want to live. CD medic targets your pain at its source. It's fast acting relief with active. OTC ingredients the plus the added benefits of THC FREE HEMP oil get back to your life with CBD medic available online and at CBS these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA this product it does not intended to diagnose treat cure prevent any disease some guys that are just made to go home at the working. You can never do anything you just just be excuses. Some guys don't WanNa be stars. Some guys just wanted to job paid and not be a big big time right guys. Don't want the big fight you bad man. Listen one Crawford's under the lights. He loves being under the lights. Absolutely he loves being he loves demolishing the man across the ring for him in front of thousands and millions of us. He loves that Shit Gee. I mean that's probably why he ain't stepping in rain. 'cause the dude across the ring will be earth or porter somebody on his level so my real welterweight. You know you're not do with a leg. You know this fucked up. Not Dues been previously knocked act out Nazi class fighters not do this never won world titles. You know lundy dairy gene fucking shows. How many of them do the law may been. Evita as I mean your list I ain't even got boxer up. My negative Amigas never won world titles man like it's different when support across the ring from your earl across the ring from your key for different but boomerang Mr it all and would fight with Mike broke up kid this fourth talk on talk on the go-to right now we go on Boomerang and now radical in your home got those over here but I guess Esi busy to we go to Brandon Brandon the day trucking all good man listen I'm wholesomeness to gives instagram Mansudae Sued Atn as GTO catch on the next one that will definitely be an extra in today's Wednesday or Thursday. Today's okay so there might be another one. I'm pretty sure throws be something we can do and they'll study and they. WanNa do film study going watch while Supermax has some suggestions I mean I have suggestions his but just trying to get a gauge on on on finest week while we don't watch a Puerto versus and earl earl verses on cow cookbook now he said let me get. We've got a call. Their Josh in New Orleans talked to me Josh Yeah what might I was calling herself importer but I didn't heard so much hate come from their blue cross from Sunday thing but did `nice sum I was I was almost I get that Lugos will view a great fire for Bud especially with the people talk shit he gets into rain and he backed shit up or they never doug no fate on this stuff about who he fought what it one forty. That's was in the way division and he went through them. Now he moving up on one forty seconds trying to fight the do. y'All won't get into rain yeah but they own. PVC Talking to others cross the street shit before crop foot when he was trying to bring him put him in across the situation if it don't work awful backyard but he didn't add him he didn't add his name to the roster always talked about getting away with somebody in L. economy talk yeah gotTa stop wishing Al.. Hell coffered. It Ain't gonNA happen. Stop accent accent. Forget a resume. It Ain't gonNA happen now now. Yoyo so thirsty keeping G. You'll just look I yeah I did hate the fact that neither down here the nanny boo boo shit look into Aruba who wants to pacify Hong Up. Oh you fight wonder who are we twelve. It is the best fight name Google is that is that what it is now. You can give credibility mentally. I don't WanNa see fucking me machine rosie who is so bad so you saying best available. That's which is saying. Yeah Whoa Danny Danny is being on whole Mikey for PECCI outfight. Keep retirement is out. Let Me Earl that show up order when you take those five out and I told you that I got the writing of six or seven boxer he top to you. Let me let me let me let you know signed this. There's one way you could get it. Ain't Alka sit in a desk somewhere say oh he arguably be porter. Let's send them to get that last belt. If you lose lose but less sent him. I say he can do that. But how probable is that when he just served up the Mexican again he just served up Omar Band Daffy God who he was already. GonNa give to Adrian Brodie I mean they were. They rolled that fight out. Ono Meh he had to sacrifice good. Omar for you know more caught a little. Du Wa he ain't been acting right. They say this time he got trained by his sister is like. Oh we might have to serve them up might have to serve a month so I don't think that after you sacrifice Omar you buy the guys off but but just just know if four million wasn't getting enough for Danny. It ain't going to be good enough. Google US you. Making faces might think about it. Luis Ortiz the intake seven seven. They got plans on PBC. You laugh all you want. They got plans on ABC. I would even think about four million. I know I know but that's what I'm telling you because they got the inventory. That's what they can do Abel. We'll keep me machine NEJD. The instagram twitter catches on the next shit. We got brand. Do we got brandon. Brandon got a kayode. He said I won't give for a male. Give it can be our enemy. Then everything else. Does I known as before ship can mellow wave for bigger started terrorists Crawford and what's his name Deborah Chico one five and a half million these necas while retirement they should have but tears cover guy pay biggest ten million to get in the ring. Brandie Brian was smarter than that one do as paying out the wazoo because he can't get Feis the other dude pain you would walk because he got a plethora a fight. Don't get your get. You sit right. One booth is a fucking clear Assad. Shit as warship so you tell me come on Brandon. You tell them you can. Nello can give five dudes right now to sign on the dotted line. How many Jews could crawl forget the saw on I I wouldn't narrative. Ub paid task cover gotta pay. I hear you. That's how boxing words. That's how it works. Mike you laughing. You Laugh. Listen Cannella took short money on the Moseley fight. It's a short money on the Koto fight. He took short money on the mayweather fight. You know I don't understand how about baking though what can you talk about to the face a boxing back then he was in the face of boxing. When you're taking money my Nigga he took short money versus mayweather. Do me instilled the two point four in his next fight. He still took short money. What don't you tell me. Your Dude that does two point four million pay-per-view Baazar Serbis`a you sitting around here trying to good naughty Gluskin cachet for doing the million wit Cannella and now I'm telling you can Nello even after doing two point four and breaking fucking records at the gate still took short money like two or three more times more times you making faces you forget about the fucking Austin trout fight like when he beat the shit out of Koto so he was the a side and then you making faces but you forget about winning for Miguel cotto after that and he was still the beasts do even gave him a catch sweet. I'm jealous always the Dick Roy what he did on Mike if canals pay if canals pay Koto more than where he got what you're talking about. Why can't Crawford if he's taking short money that means he's given the be sophomore money we talked about man. Come on Bro just shifted freedom it for Free Andrei Charles. Oh and fucking Jacobs won't fight each other. Everybody WanNA camello fight CIA KINETICO's ducking lie Cannella a whole because he fight the best. That's what he said and that's what it is his errors the best because he fight the best he has fought in the best has offered offer for the best has caught the best. Hank Lundy the best or Tom is delimited best who is Ray Beltran. The best was victim. Postal Nevada fucking world titled Best World Title. On a vacant match Brown he title he idle title title or I guess you don't care because you you may want a lot of vacant titles. What about Felix village. The drop what what about Billy's world champ actually beat a quick. I five Cannella got. How many come on stop you've got to pay the same way while they had to take short money while the inside for flat fee he come on man? I ain't real boxing fan. Stainless talk to me. Marinade is our attention deficit so what kind of stainless from the street city coming with that he did not get get some all SAR Kim. Can I did some mall and I do appreciate it. I'm just that were listening. icon issue down. Oh Man box in his boxing action and we gotta fight this weekend this weekend so I always say. Please make sure you push thumbs up. Share this episode of the boxing cast because the face your cause you stupid shut out the Oklahoma piece. Thank you in other words. Kayode knew what okay already which is what I want to hear me. Talk to him edged intro so quick one yeah just comparing two weight of this time and yesterday. I think one thing is though well two lights then like the huns unhappiness used to get more knockouts in high profile fights. I don't really get bad these days. I think from DOC perspective I would say I definitely prefer the welterweight the previous yes but quick one. Did you do a show about Espinosa's US up boxing scene article. One way that I was hoping we want we got to Kinda did didn't want to pay Byu. Were we didn't get to expert knows article yet but I'm hoping that we'll get to it I I. That's that's my call one. I I don't see what's the big deal. You know what in the what is that. What are we talking about. What does it regard. Maybe if you frequent all all the websites you'd be up to date so you want to just try to sound like you don't know me. I Yeah I was just asking a question apparently does not going Gotcha Yoyo. Check this out check. I'm I'm obsessed. British press Com obsess knows world world champ ally I'll send Aberdeen World Chen on just clean more World Chan y'all shut out the Beltran officially became a world champ after this offer boy ain't been the world champs since he was at one twenty six since he'd be Orlando Lido. How many years ago was that Thomas. The law may never been the World Chan. There gene never been a world champ. Hank Lundy never been the world champ vic the postal believe he won his WBZ in a vacant title Lucas Matisse legitimate. 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#1293 - Andrew Santino

The Joe Rogan Experience

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#1293 - Andrew Santino

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If you've seen me over the last couple of years, you might have seen him. He's fucking awesome. He has Showtime special. He was on the Showtime series. I'm dying up here. He is the host of the whiskey ginger podcast. He's the great and powerful and drew Santino. The Joe Rogan experience soy Joe Rogan podcast by. And live Chitose Antena legitimate. Come you with hot ones? Hello, sir. How are you want on big daddy? Good, brother. Just played a little bit of pool and lost a game and less lost one. Illegitimately you one one legitimate. You mean loss you lost one illegitimate? Yeah. Scratching is not a good way to win the scratching the ball, his gentleman. It is it is the way to win. It happens. Even to the ballots. It's a real way to win. I'm good. You. You must control the cue ball. I have. No, I have no balance over any of that stuff whatsoever. I know there's a little red dots on their nothing to me. Those little red dots. Are they call that the measles cue-ball in that you ball? They've developed for television. So that you could watch the ball spin. So you know, what kind of English the guy puts on the ball has nothing to do with the person that shooting whatsoever. It does. Yeah. It's the person that like for the most it's very controversial ball really want to get into it. I do because it has a different reaction than a red circle cue ball or red dot cube. All those are the preferred Cuba's of a lot of players, but the measles Cuba's, just maybe the tiniest bit heavier or. Or or the surfaces different or something? But it's still legal people use it. Yeah. Okay. Players someplace got angry when they came up with it. They didn't like it. They like the old cue ball. That's how precise the reactions are going to get to the very top level of pool players. Let's kinda like golf balls for people think don't mean anything to golfers. They do. Sure feel is. So there's a lot of soft softer golf balls. Like a lot of people like title makes producing a ProVia wants or probably want access harder softer he ever Joe who's full of shit. Who's I I like ProVia it doesn't mean anything to him some guy. That's like a fifteen or twenty handicap, it means nothing a guy that's like a scratch golfer. Like like, a pro player new makes all the difference. Yeah. How it comes off the face? How it spins? Does it think all the mud ball? If it's buried in mud it it reacts differently the moment mud on. It's even a little bit. Right. Yeah. Tiniest bit. Yeah. The weight, then you hear Bros. Impressive. Golfers Tuesday play with a bunch of different weights of clubs. Yeah. A pool player basically used as one Q, and maybe one q to break with and some players even Br. With their playing Q, but you don't have like a bunch of different cues for a bunch of different shots, usually. Right. Well, this because the distances but just get used to the feel of one q. So when a player changes cues like say, if you go from eighteen ounce, Q, two twenty one ounce Q. There's a big difference in the way it hits the ball drives through the ball different. You have to make the Q do more of the work heavy with a heavy. Do you think it mentally changes the way you say it totally? Yeah. It's the FOX people's heads. That's what's so impressive about golfers. They got all these different weights. Everything's different shape. It's different. There's a guy. I think his name's Bryson Andy Shambo, I think that's the golfer. He used all his clubs are cut to the same length, which is really rare. Nobody does that like almost every club set. You get is all different length clubs, and he is this people did it years and years ago, but he's like one of the only guys on tour now cuts his clubs at the same length because he mentally wants to have the same exact stance over the ball. No matter the shot. It's pretty smart. It's I mean, it's a it's a cool. Interesting concept a lot of golfers. Don't know how to. Adjust that much. I don't know Jack shit about golf, but they're skies with weird strokes pool. There's guys with weird technique in boxing, and it still works. And then there's people that do shit different. There's no I don't think there's any right way in sports, the ugly, shots and basketball tend to be some of the most fun to watch. And sometimes they're really good. Yeah. Like sometimes like the classic Ray. Allen basketball stroke is probably the most beautiful jump shot compared to him and Jordan. But there are guys that have terrible looking shots, but they're fucking phenomenal. It's just it's just consistency in their inner balance over, you know, the timing that they have and the release that they have. That's just say there's got to be the same thing in every sport pool for same shit for sure and boxing to. Yeah. You know, in boxing, it used to be thought that you pretty much, you know, if you went to a good trainer, they would teach you to keep your hands up those always the way to box, but then you get to a level of like, Tommy Hearns number. Do Tommy Hearns used to fight. He's to keep his left hand, low really low down cocked and would snap that left hand. At you. Like a fuck and like us colebrook manned is crap. Motorcity cobra. He would just pop that fucker right in your face. That's why they used to call them that because it was coming out and fucking hitman. Tommy hearns. He was a bad motherfucker, dude. And then buying Hewitt hit you with that right hand. And he had so much torque as he was really wide. Yeah. He was really long and wide for a welterweight man lead look at him one hundred and forty seven pounds. I think he was probably like six two and Jewish Ray jacked. And just crown forty seven at six to champ your see what he looked like when he fought Sugar Ray, Leonard. Oh my God. Yeah. And then he went up to one sixteen fought Hagler and got killed by Hagler and a crazy slugfest. You never saw that fine who pull up Marvin Hagler vs Thomas Hearns. This might have been the great. I think it went to rounds. But it might have been the greatest two rounds in the history of the Midwest Division because these two guys were super skilled. I mean, Marvin Hagler is a brilliant technical boxer concert, which from south pod orthodox like fluidly, you'd even notice the difference. He fought just as good from both sides. And you knocked everybody. Out and an iron chin and Tommy Hines was merkin, motherfuckers. He murked Roberto Duran with one punch it's black face playing fucking punishment. He's he's stung him with one shot and let let them see that first. Here's the up the build up is Tommy Hearns Cao's Roberto Duran. Let's watch that first. And then we're going to go back to Marvin Hagler vs Tommy her. And so you get a feel for what it was like to switch stances. So crazy to me to be able to do that. So fluidly that will that's one of the brilliant things about Hagler. I mean, he was just so good at that. And he bought in. It's weird for a guy when you're used to remember the first time, I've fought a guy who's left handed. It was super confusing. Everything's coming from the wrong place. Everything was like, reverse you gotta get used to it. Right. You don't see it as often? Right. So if you don't see it as often, sometimes it's more effective, but some guys are really good again southpaw some guys have like a lightning right hand. And that was one of the speculations about Hagler Hearns because Hearns had this lightning right hand. And Hagler oftentimes fought southpaw. That's the counter for south is straight right now watch this. This is just goes to show you how God look how big is. Two. She's played that again this. Come on man when Tommy Hearns Merck people. He's murked people. And you got to understand that he did this to Roberto Duran that's fast in slow motion, dude. So fat looks fast. Even in fucking slow motion. He was so fast and he hit so hard. But now, you gotta watch this. This is Hagler in his prime. He was thirty years old who the undisputed motherfucking middleweight champion the world. And most people thought he's the best pound for pound fighter on earth and Tommy Hearns. Of course, you just saw what he did to Roberto Duran. And it was a lot of speculation. Lot of speculation coming into this fight. And they just went at it from the beginning of the round. There was very little feel up. It's just constant pressure by Hagler, right hooks. Boom, boom this, bro. They they're going to war these to the best fucking middleweights ever. And they're standing in front of each other going to war, and it doesn't feel like anybody's face. It feels like there's feels like they're at the exact same energy level to do. Both of them are the have the same output. Those fucking raises fight man. They were throwing full power shots from the moment. The fight started. She's and they right in front of each other men for Hearns this negates his gigantic reach advantage over almost everybody. Yeah. So Hearns decided to fight this way, he decided to stand right? And look at them the reverie barely Saporito hers decided to stay right in front of Hagler and Haggar decided stand right in front of Hearns. And they now Hearns is moving see now, this is what Hearns could have done from the beginning and made it interesting sticking a move in. But by the time he decided to do that he was already touched up, and Marvin starts moving in for the kill that left hand of the body. Hydra was relentless in his cardio was fucking. Supreme. It was supreme. He always put pressure on people. And you couldn't hurt him. He only had one bullshit knocked down his entire crews. A bullshit knocked down. He fly thing was one rolled in and Juan Rodin kinda like it was more like a shove. And maybe maybe they tripped or something like that. And the referee called it a knockdown, but I remember thinking God damnit because Hagler had a weird thing that he was either born with or developed he had giant muscles on the side of his head like temples warn with headgear of not bullshitting. They had him analytic. How this is like a big thing in the world of sports back in the day. Like that. He was literally almost born for this. That's how good Hagler was these fuckers are relentless too. They're they're towed up every time. It's up there barely looking for any distance between each other. And you gotta realize man, this is not how people usually fight. They don't throw full power shots and every shot. It'd be tired within fifteen seconds. These guys are just going at it. So I think this is like almost like a game of chicken like both of them knew. There were never going to reach the twelfth round. Right. So they said fuck it. Let's do this and haggard just stood right in front of him constantly blasted him. And you see at the end of the first round Hearns wilting. He just does not have the power or the speed or the movement. See he's all goofy. He's sloppy up exhausted. She's exhausted. But still the warrior and him is making him throw these fucking bombs, man. You gotta realize at the time. No one really knew what the fuck was going to happen in this fight. Then Hagler heard him as a little stumble in one of one of haggerty's incredible. Attributes besides skill was his determination to win men. He was just canoes for Roche's competitor, man, just ferocious. And so if someone was willing to engage him in this kind of crazy fight we're going to stand toe to toe and see who's the bigger, man. Oh my God. Everyone's going to die. Thank you. Is going to take you to the end of the earth, man. So the end of the earth Hagler just looked like he just had still so much left in the tank, even at the end of the first round this for years. He's never out of shape. He never partied. He never did anything stupid. Why did he didn't want to make sure no never got fat? No drugs. Nobel calling them. And how about this retired after the Sugar Ray Leonard fight lost a controversial decision sugary Leonard to this day. I think he won and then, but it was a close fight. Yeah. But and then just retired became a fucking movie star in Italy. That's fucking wild love that guy. But that's the way to do it. How kind of go out of the good prime? And then just say goodnight. Nobody else. Did it like nobody else? Did it like ooh, that's way heard him. Yep. Now just moving in for the kill kill now. He's taking his time. So now, it's just nice and relaxed. This is inevitable now Marvin's just moving in and decide and when he's going to uncork when he's going to uncork moving in blocking these shots. He knows it Hearns is hurt. And he starts teaching him up. Right in and hers is try to move down. See now, that's how I thought Hearns was gonna fight and mo- most people thought her and it's gonna fight from the beginning that just moved from the outside. Yeah. Sting from the outside like that. I mean, that's that's classic Thomas Hearns, but the war you're in him wanted to find out, you know, wanna find out who's the baddest motherfucker in town. Who is it? You know, you could and you can feel him backing up kind of he knows what kind of it's almost like he knows what's coming. He. He's getting in some good shots, even that he's you know, creating distance. But even still would just doesn't feel like he's balanced. See that right there. He's hurting them. Now, Haggar STAN and right in front of him. He is touching them. But he's he just doesn't have the pop anymore. You know, what it's like when you're working out at the end of the workout you're fucking exhausted. And you barely do one rip. That's what happens with your arms, and you fighting. There's just there's nothing left. Nothing left. It's not like, you know, he's doing this on purpose. Right. He's he doesn't have it. There's no gas in his arms like his arms are completely flooded right now like all the blood in them, and it's just they're not recovering. It's a horrible feeling to he's swinging though, look he's swinging, but it's way slower than it. Wasn't the first right, right? His snap was snapped with so much quicker in the first round. And now he's now he's not following through a little bit. Exactly. He's trying to conserve energy right realizes. He can't do this forever. He's exhausted there. But they both looked like they're fucking at that one. That little breaking point where it's about to be either. I'm telling you Haggar, even though he might might look like that. Because it is a fast pace he could do this for years. She's taken do this. He just didn't get tired men. And you couldn't hurt them. Who's crazy? He fought dude named John the beasts Mugabe and John the peace. Mugabe was fucking terrifying. People man. He starch Terry Norris. He starts to bunch of dudes. He was a heavy punch or heavy puncher and Hagler stood right in front of him. And he got caught with one big uppercut. And it didn't even budge uppercuts that we're like mercan people didn't even he didn't even flinch. So what round was it is it the third round of the thirty s the third row. Here's a third round right here. This shows you how fucking tough Tommy Hearns was. I mean does two rounds were just fucking knock-out drag-out relent. Yeah. Just nonstop. But towards the end you clearly see Haggas coming on. I mean, he looks good. He looks good. And he's pacing himself. Now, he's just just moving forward throwing shots, but Hearns his exhausted. Man. It's falcon rough man there. It is boom, boom. Trying to keep trying to keep them. Right. He's having a. Hard time. Brandon man. I mean he's exhausted. See that big depress. So you take that big side. It's almost like. So we lost a mouthpiece. I think. Is that what it was he called his time? Yeah. I think that's what happened. I don't know, man. It's hard to tell screwy blurry for just gonna say man to two forty p was weird back then look normal to us back. Then you're is knew how to handle it. Right. Well, you were just excited that you could see the fight. Right. You know? But this was I wonder if this what it looked like it when it was on HBO had been. Do you know HBO just cancel the boxing? They don't have boxing anymore at all at all just pay per view. Now, they don't even do pay per view. They're out of the boxing business. What? Yeah. And that crazy. So they'll never. And he's moving right hand. It's done. He knew it damn it. Third round gone. I always miss this. I was thinking hang around for some reason, I think we've actually gone over this before but third round Yemen, but don't boxing anymore HBO's got out of the boxing business. What do you think that's because it's not enough money anymore? I don't know. It makes me sad though. They had some of the greatest boxing telecast of all time. I mean that was what you would do you'd go. If a big fight was on Bernard. Hopkins was on a lot of times it was on HBO, and it was on pay per view. Then you news going to be on HBO the following week. Right. So even if you couldn't afford, the pay per view, you could hang in there a week later. You knew who won. But you could watch the fight on HBO. I remember going to watch. I remember watching fights HBO. I just remember that HBO boxing being such like a emblematic thing for you know, what I mean like you. It's so recognizable. So like pay per view and HBO so them get out of the game is so strange. It's kind of like the revolution. That's happening. Now the last fight I went with you at UFC now, they're ESPN. What is it plus ESPN, plus two private paid service? It's a subscription service, right? Like a net flicks for sports, but it's it's not just UFC fights. It's it's a bunch of other stuffing, well, all kinds of shit stuff that just won't show on ESPN at although no, they sometimes show mean, it's ESPN content. I guess so you could watch some fights that will on ESPN plus later, they'll probably show them on ESPN sort of the same thing with HBO pay per view. Yeah. You know? But I think what HBO deal with pay. It was brilliant where you would have the pay per view. But then let people watch it for free a week later. You're just gonna make more fans. Yeah. So you're not going to lose money on the pay per view. They're just gonna make more fans. That's the whole idea of like, that's why this this is funny. I was going to talk to you about this. Anyway, I just moved. And I cancelled my direct TV, I'm done. I cancelled them. I cut the wire. And I'm just doing like a Hulu live TV internet shit. I'm all the years of hearing people being cut in the court turned the corner. Like, I don't know, man. I like it now. Fuck it. I I love I love what I'm doing now. And I gotta tell you I can get all the shit that I want for cheaper than I had it before. And it's just way more convenient. I used to be so tethered to being like, I'll never give up cable. Now. I'm like fuck it. I don't want it anymore. I don't want the best. I'll always have a blockbuster card. Oh, it'll never go away. Never have Hollywood video dude. I want to rent a man if you put all your money in that. He like, I'm telling you in twenty years. Yeah. This is going to mount a fifteen million dollars. Do you think people invested in Netflix when it was the DVD subscription service? And that you know what I mean like early on. And now they're still getting the the revenue dividends of what Netflix says. Now, I wonder about that. Oh, yeah. I'm sure you do like that's got to be the best money because it was worth nothing bad. Yeah. Who's just another subscription video service, and they had there was a ton of them. I mean are did my first Netflix special in two thousand five home. My god. There's one left. Oh, I think I've seen this last guy. Oregon Oregon, bend, Oregon. That's so weird to last blockbuster. They went from four thousand eight hundred fifty five stores in two thousand eight to one store two thousand eighteen that is the craziest demolition business. I've ever heard heard of what other business in our lifetimes vanished. Like that. Like like a like a storefront. I can't think of something that that went away industry. It was ju-. It was a part of our weekend. Yeah. You go to Plock BUSTER huge. What do they got right here? Anything about this? He'd look at the cover. I dunno. I never even heard of this one ever saw good watching like obscure dolph Lundgren movies made in Italy. This you would you get to pick out shit that you're like this looks kind of dope. We'll see back. Ten gamble was fun. The name meant a lot. Yeah. Like is. Like this guy from dances with wolves. Okay. With that guy. I can that cool. You'll take a chance. Yeah. You will. But I think that's happening now with net. Netflix. I'll take a chance with shit now that I've never heard of because Netflix you pop up all these different titles and you'll go. I'll try this fucking shit. I just started a new show. I just tried to show, and I it's called dead to me with Christina, Applegate, Christina Applegate. Yeah. It's okay. But like, I try I'll try I would've never think to to watch this new show about these. You know, this has gone through all the Staples. At Netflix said did you watch Ozarks yet done watch the ball sees phenomenal one of the best shows I've ever seen. Did you watch unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt now seen a few episodes of fucking hilarious. She people like it. But I love that show. So it's got the same kind of tone as thirty rock. Right. Doesn't Santa Fe? It's Tina again TEFA's in it too. Oh, she is. Sometimes she plays wacky psychologists. It's out of her fucking mine likes to party. She david. She has some of the best character development, man. That's why thirty rock was so good. That shows funny, man. Kimmy Schmidt is funny. All right. I'll I'll watch it. I'll try try it just it just didn't seem like my show. It's absurd to give it a chance. Right. Become. It's really it's really good. It was like some dull moments in one of the series. But they tighten it up. Quick. They whatever problem they have with writing. They've fixed real quick, right? Well, I mean, I Caesar always hard, man. Well, I mean just writing is hard. Yeah. Writing for a sitcom so hard they hit rut sometimes, you know, like sometimes I'll watch old seinfeld's when they pop on. And some of the episodes are just fucking flawless their bangers. Like, the be stories just as funny as a story, and sometimes you watch a few and you're like, yeah, they were like they had a tough week tune you could tell they had a tough go. I remember that feeling with NewsRadio. I remember like episodes were just like, ooh. Why we did our best? You know? It's all there was this one. Yeah. At times, they just don't. And then you have the next one. That's just insane. And a lotta times it's it's like stand up in that sense of a lot of times. It's just like the subjects like what are the subjects like what what juicy topic? Do you have? Right. You know, what what what is happening in like, you just you. You have to have something that engages people and sometimes it sitcoms. Like fuck you have to put out twenty something episodes a year. Yeah. Only two twenty twenty right? Twenty three short stories on a year, that's crate and make them all tie in and have a nice little kind of a perfect through line season. I know what nowadays a lot of people relying on on politics, which I think is you know, it's becoming the norm. Every time I see a billboard. Now. It's a new political show. It's like Wyatt act. Just got one Jordan clever who was a daily show correspondent he just got another one Assange as I mean, there's like so many political shows now. The they should all be writing letters, thanking Trump Trump is really fueling all these new shows if worn for him it was like this new wave of political satire. I don't think I've had I've seen this in comedy in my career. I've never seen this many shows about politics. Samantha b I mean, I just named five in a row. John Oliver show is right that last week tonight, or whatever that's essentially a political based show, it's it's slightly political. But it's very social two point shirts. Fucked up Ryan the week. He's I mean, listen, he's brilliant. And some of these shows are probably great. I just think there's so much political comedy right now. It's just it's not my shit Oliver's. Excellent. Yeah. He's jesus. The whole thing is. What's what's uncomfortable that it's very very little conversations taking place and a lot of people that are like really angry. Yeah. You know? I was watching this guy some some Representative. I don't even know his name, but he was offering one hundred dollars to name the these girls that were in front of a Planned Parenthood and. He's like a grown, man. He's there girls young Christian girls. What do you mean name them as in like all the names? So he could shame them publicly call these guys, and but he's offering on this video hundred dollars. But this is where people have gotten to where they think that. That's okay. Yeah. These people you have like, I know you're there to support a woman's right to choose. But you have to understand that these people think that this is a place where they kill babies. Yeah. Right. This is what they think. Whether regardless of what you think this is why they're there. They're not there because they're evil. Right. And I know that this would put unwanted pressure on a grows going there for an abortion. I get it. I get the whole thing. Yeah. I get it from your side. And I see where they're coming from two in. Although I fully support a woman's right to choose you. You can't want to docks people that think they're saving babies or talking someone into having a child that that child they think will become the kind of relationship with that child. Nap mother begun like their mother and them or like, the ideal version of the sure I mean, that's what they're they're not doing it because they're bad people. Right. Like, there's some groups that do it just because they're pieces of shit like the westboro. Has church like they things because they're bad people. Like all they want to do is go protest a soldier's funeral or Meghan Phelps who left them, right? That got out. Yes. Yeah. And now, she do she met a guy on Twitter. It's a great store. Right. It's an amazing human again. Well, she started talking to people and then investigating real. And dude what I'm telling you when you talk to her. She is like the nicest most reasonable person to think that just fifteen years ago, whatever it was ten years ago. She was a full on zealot. It's weird and her dad or grandfather other can get it. Right. Her grandfather is Fred Phelps? He started the whole thing. He's the old dude that hold mean guy. But. Think it's you you completely do complete buy into the fact that she's one hundred years of it. So none of that's she's so honest and open about what she felt and why she felt in why she was conflicted, and why didn't jive with what she was reading the bible didn't make sense to her. Right. And in the way, he was doing what she was realising was not how Christians did it all over the world. Ryan that this this, you know, this desire to constantly get attention in the news even at soldier's funeral. There would go to soldiers Sooners and say these soldiers are dying because gay people are getting married like they were saying they deserve to die. They deserve to be dead. I mean that you know, but I'm telling you from that. And she's like the nicest person you'd ever wanna make. So she regulation in in her world. She realizes it was pull shit, and she's tricked. And you know, she's done a great job to free herself. But when you indoctrinate someone heavily into anything, and this is whether it's being a religious salad or. Being political zealot you indoctrinate someone when they're early in their their their youth falsely years very difficult for them to get out of it. It takes real work. But that's what I mean. That's why I guess I'm saying it sticks with you. Right. Like, my whole thing is there's things instilled in me from my youth from where I grew up culturally and how I grew up that even though I'm more learned now, I still do understand those ways of thinking, right? So it is hard to break away from those things even like when you just said the whole like a woman's right to choose right. Like, I grew up in the midwest. I grew up Catholic this is how I am. Most of my family is for so in so many words against abortion. But I don't think these things are mutually exclusive that you can be against abortion and against women's rights to choose you can say that you don't like abortion. But also say I'm not going to control what you do with your body. It's kind of how I feel. I don't love the idea of abortion. I'm being honest. I I just don't love it. But I do think I'm not going to stand here and tell people what. To do. But I should be able to still say I don't like it. I don't think it's I don't think it's a healthy thing to do. I don't really enjoy. I don't enjoy like the spreading of it being kind of this not a big deal thing. But I do think people can do whatever they fucking wanna do. But I'm also allowed to go. I don't I don't I don't love the idea. Like, I don't like it just as an option. I just don't love it. I don't love it birth control is obviously the best methods, of course. And I think women should be more aware but women when they take birth control man, they have to. I'm not not advocating for abortion as a method of birth control. What I'm saying is when women take birth control pills that shit fucks with them talks with their hormone good thing. It's not good that I know. And and when they do it in the also smoke you can cause like real complication in. So I mean, there's a lot of women have really bad reactions to the pill changes your behavior suicidal tendencies. I I've heard a lot of like really bad stories now, I'm also saying if we want to look at it from a different perspective men should also take way more fucking responsibility. And like, this is the other side is this. This argument tends to land on women a lot where it's like you. Don't tell me how to fuck. You don't tell a woman what to do with the body is like, okay, that's fine. I'm just saying how I don't like it. Also, I don't like guys Nutting in women and fucking ghosting and not wanting to raise a child. Right. So I think the other side of it is to parties here should be responsible men should take some fucking responsibility over stop coming inside of these fucking people. If you're not ready to have kids, I'm just being real. It's like either where condors stop stop. Stop doing the thing that you know, makes children. Yes. So, you know, but again, this is this weird. Balance of like, I say I come from this. Not conservative. But like this real Catholic upbringing in the mid west. You know, good old Irish Catholic boy, and the ideas that you here as a kid all the time, you then grow, and I now go I think people should be able to do whatever they want to do. I'm not gonna fucking control somebody. But I still have those little moments of. Yeah. Just don't love it though. Because it was something that was instilled in me as a youth. You know, I mean, it's the same way for years, I felt guilty smoking pot. 'cause I was like talking about for twenty years, but I felt guilty for a long time because my because drugs were so bad. Yeah. It was just like this over and even today sometimes I get high. I go shabby getting high to have shit to do my my doing something wrong. No now, I'm grown up. I have all my shit together. I'm allowed to get hot night. You one of the few comedian friends, and I know that has the shit together you're grownup trying to just stay stay having my shit together. Yeah. To share your ship. It's a hard task though. Right. So easy, especially for immature dip shits like us. Yeah, we're not. This isn't supposed to Nikki Glaser had a funny shoes on stage who in a bit. And she just had said this phrase, and I kept talking to her about it after she was like, we don't deserve this money. And I was like what do you mean? We don't fucking we. And she's like we just don't deserve this much money for being so immature as I guess that's got it through like we get to be cloudy kids and still make a good living. Meanwhile, a guy there's a guy doesn't let Tricia at my house the other day the shit. He was telling me I couldn't fuck and keep you sound. He was speaking fucking another language, and I had no I was he's like, oh, you have another groundwork. Because the neutrals are different. How this to wire system back in nineteen forty six you got up three hundred going on and on and on and on. I was like you deserve more money. Like, you're worth more money. I don't know why I have more money than you. Do you do much more important shit? It's all about with a guest with money. Right. It's all about reach what we were talking about earlier today about how much money Facebook and Google and all these people make from ads, and how weird it is that like you look for something and instantly those ads start popping up. Honestly, I'm referencing. Sam Harris's podcast again. I don't remember which one it was it was fairly recently. He had a guest on. And they talked about the the commodity of your data. Right. The commodity of your searches what? And who's selling that? And how they're how they're profiting off of that. And that this is like this commodity that nobody thought they were giving up then nobody thought there was anything to it. And these companies have found this loophole and have made billions of dollars through it by giving you free Email, but giving you a free web browser by giving you free, sir. Churches, basically, providing you with all the information in the world, right? What they want from. You is want to know what you're interested in. That's all the big deal. Like, the real world example would be those trash companies that are like you have a garage full of shit. We'll come pick it up for free reign. You don't know. What's in that fucking garage? Right. Some people are so old. They just throw shit out. And they go just get rid of it. Fuck it. You know, you know, those storage wars shows fake yet. They do they set them up. They load up the the storage. And they believe we found a World War Two helmet. It's Elvis's own to wear on believable. They used to be real actually a few of them were very real. And then they got caught on line a bunch of people online were calling them out being like, this is bullshit. This is fake. I saw them setting it up like they got they got caught. But they're going to do that. They should find magic in there. Shit storage wars where they go in there. And they find a leprechaun all the Caporale makes disappear at one person disappears. And they have Gina lamp and be worth treat me like, I'm really stupid. Have you ever watched the show ghost hunters? Do you know who goes adventures? Yes. You know, this guy Zack? Bags act bacon. You know, this guy. I do not know him personnel. Man. He makes me laugh so fucking hard because they've done like nine seasons. Now, I don't even know how many have not found any goes come on, man. They have all this great technology now that he believes in ghosts. Here's the best part. Okay. He is all in right, which I love anybody. That's all in whatever they're doing a half to be the host all adventure. But also now he's super self aware of their popularity and of his character caricature of himself. So he does it now on purpose. He took off his shirt one episode. And he goes you wanna fuck and fight me ghost. Let's fuck and Goto up throw a fucking punch. Your like, he's aware of his character. That is this, bro. We ghost fist fighter. This dude is Brennan Shabbat shop. Looking. He looks like he just got from Shane carwin sparring session. Like, yeah. He's still in the fight. He's still out of it. And that's what the beard. No, no Zack is right there. So Zach wears. Ed hardy type of shirts. Right. He was he's loud. Ridiculously battered shirts. But he's you to see doing more newer episode produce something from two thousand nine hundred eighteen you'll see what he looks like. Now, he's gotten way more fucking jacked his hair his hair is all flaked up. You know, he's got more Tanneron and shit. He's become do think becomes super self aware that he believes in ghosts. No, I think he's just self aware of the product. He's created really that he understands now. That's a challenge. I see the next whiskey ginger podcast. You me exact Zach. That's him. Right there right now. He's like Holly. He looks like a Hollywood guy. Like, he's got these big black frame classes funny. Like, you can't he can't look any better. You know, allowing him to have better style in Hollywood. Your social Kagoj fucking goodest fog in Hollywood, this spiky hair. He went Hollywood, the far I'll tell you. That's the one thing. I know I won't do as. I'll never get to a place when I'll be wearing clothes where I used to make fun of them. Like that. Like, I remember going skies wearing a fucking nine hundred dollar tee shirt. I know now I can't do that. I can't I can't get. I can't do that now because I used to shit on it so much. Yeah. You have to mind by the rules of your own. Well, if I if I pushed it out there for so long say, he's got a nice hats him. Yeah. It looks good. He's had shaming set your breath. Recent photo joy zoom in real quick though. You're trying to say some handsome, fellow cute guy, Jamie. I want you to grow your facial hair. You really think do you really think he doesn't believe in goes? I think he does not believe in ghosts. I think he I think he loves the paranormal, right? He loves the idea of the paranormal that I think he loves the idea of forces at nature happening molecules energies around us all influencing the way, we act sure I don't think he believes in actual apparitions or what do they call them? Spirits on his VP. We felt the spirit. They'll do this thing where they'll see a little orb or a light. This happens all the time with cameras when you switch to night vision and not these little deflects of dusk kind of reflect light off the lenses, and he'll go to an orb, and they'll, you know, watch it float through the lens. And he's he's obsessed about these orbs they enter the orb, and he does his voice over shit. You gotta watch the fucking Joe. I get hired. I watch it. It's maybe one of my favorite things. What's Jamie, Europe photographer? What's the scientific explanation for those little balls that show up in photographs? What is it? I don't have the knowledge for that. But it could be explained in lots of different ways. It's mostly it probably like a light flare of some kind because there's just like ghosts now believer, I'm stammered through that. So. Parable fucking talk if you're science, but like in this lens here there's like five different pieces of glass. So there's just at whatever angle you're holding it depending on where the light source is coming from it, it might create an artifact which would be right. So if you deal with a really nice camera like that one. But what about like with one of them bullshit on those zip and shoot one than there used those? Than there used those always river. That's like less. Why there would be something on that? It's probably because it's less. It's less. Good. It's it's not the right word, but a less technology in there. I don't know. I can't explain honestly. Well, what we should Google it. Because or beloveds right now are freaking out my God. They're angels. And you choose to see gives anytime in or passes near a human. He'll go watch chose reaction as the orb goes behind his hand. Yeah. And you change your is your is change. It was amazing. Don't believe in fucking ghost. I believe in every you don't believe in all in with everything foot. Let's say you go back. Okay. Katter back scatter. The artifact can result from the back scatter or retro reflection of light from airborne solid particles such as dust apartment. I saw or liquid droplets, especially rain or mist can also be caused by four material within the camera's lens. So these dots are blurred images of dust particles, m night Shyamalan Medine dog should make a movie. In that move above and it should be called call him that anymore. That's really rude. Is it though, it's kind of funny. Am not Shamlan. That's fucking Shamma Lamma. You use? Visit you can put it on racist. What's wrong with you, man? He makes them good goddamn movies got he'd takes some crazy risks. But I love the six cents. That was a great come on. Every I love the village people didn't like that. See I thought the village the end of it. I was like where what about planes like, they they they don't they don't show any planes going big. It would have to be void all the planes. Well, they have to be an several placing there's to be places where remote because they made out to the road, and then instantly the guys the road and people like, hey, what car? Eighteen hundred there like Saint Louis is like right there. You wanna like those ghosts, no devil? The one was in the elevator day. Those are good ones. Yes. Good. Those good is good. What he takes chances. He tasks like, hey, wait this. This reminds me of Utah. When you talk about that island that private island sentinel center sensible. Yeah. Planes still fly over that. Or no are they not allowed restricted airspace. I don't think it's restrictive. No. But you can't land there, and you can't circle. Right. You can't. Visit India owns it. Right. Doesn't doesn't India control leaves, and it's like ten mile radius? I saw online that said a boat crash there, and you can still see on Google images the remnants of the boat. Yeah. They came for the people in the boat to the helicopters got them off the boat. Right. As the people really pulling up and say, live, apps and shit. Yeah. Faulk? Yeah. They they live. But those the villages were common for them. Oh, yeah. Can you imagine stumbling across a village they've been fucked with some time in the past. You know that commander MAURICE Vidal Portman guy. Yeah. Shout out to respectable law on Twitter. He has a giant thread about it. It may be pinned on the top of his Twitter page, but explaining like, one of the reasons why those people so hostile right? And it has to do with this British explorer who was really kinky. And you went there to fuck. Who knows we wanna fuck island? He has way did. But people got sick because you know, this. I had this guy Graham Hancock on and he was talking about all the different shifts. They're finding in the Amazon in South America. And that they used to be twenty million people that live in the Amazon, and they died off because of sickness they were visited mostly apparently Europeans, and they came in the fifteen hundreds they would tell these incredible stories about these huge civilizations in the EMS on. But then when explorers came back two hundred years later, there was nothing there. And they were like, this is crazy. They they lied. They must have lied. But it turns out they didn't lie. What happened was smallpox ran through the fuck and jungle and like every but we did it. And then these the jungle just overtook the cities. And now, they're finding these cities with something called lied. Are. They use these planes, and they circle over this area, or helicopters, whatever the fuck, they do and they shoot this shit down. This lied are. It's like laser radar, and it gives you a detailed image of what's below the surface and what's their shit. And it shows them all these crazy structures all these like like roadways and irrigation systems and circles inside of a square like it was villages and cities and millions of people probably live there could look at it. That's all stuff, they're finding not. Yeah. And all of it was swallowed up by the jungle they think within like a hundred years just vanished in the jungle. 'cause it's so so lush and tropical down there, dude. It was the one of the most amazing podcasts of ever done. To listen that guy tell the story right after this one though. No, you're the best you the. This is kind of. Well, this is like this is like the findings of Atlantis right? Like when they started finding you start. Finding more land under seen this found traces of five drugs, including die method trip to mean on a thousand year old South American ritual t base that's like proof positive. Evidence that it leased one thousand years ago, they were using Iowa. Wow. This is the drug pouch that was made from FOX now. It's so crazy literally look when you see it looks like they used everything and the first raising it looks really nice knows a wonder why they do that with a FOX probably like some cleverness something that that's what a shaman. That's like literally what a shaman is supposed to. That's what the the the definition is supposed to be in certain cultures her certain cultures. It's a clever fellow. That's who the the shaman is k- kind of make sense. They are just clever fellows. But I mean, imagine that like he takes a FOX clever little fucker, I'm gonna take his face. I wanted to in his face. Holy person would do something. So happy drugs in this those act. Chipmunk cheeks. Yeah, right. Okay. The good. Yeah. A little Pao chicken pouches. That hangs for your belt, just chipmunk cheeks coins. What about the dumbest animal, you could have self? Ed. What would be the worst animal to put stuff gunk? Yeah. Skunks raccoons are records. Archie kind of smart. You know, do you know, skunks are predators? This little creeps. They are. Yeah. Yeah. Brother were coming from chickens. Oh, yeah. They try to eat your chickens. They wanna kill you chickens. They skunk up. The the spray 'em and shit. Now. They're just there to kill the only spray things when things come near them when they're an or when they're about to die. Right. That's when they think they're going to die. They just admit that. Yeah. That's like so many animals are able to do that. We're like one of the only species that don't know how to fake death to avoid actually dying. Right. A lot of species will hide or change colors or shapes more amid something to give the other species, the the the thought that they are dead or deceased or that they've they're gone. We don't do we don't really own zone. If you're running away from fight. You can't just pretend to be dead. And then they'll stop you. Fuck you up, but human beings, I think humans and chimps to they want retribution. Yeah. Want revenge? We love vengeance. Man. That's like our favorite thing in the world. Yep. A guy almost fucking hit me four times today. I wish I got his license plate a call him out on here. And he was cut me off at he kept trying to hit my car after he cut me off in a big f three fifty truck. And then I gave him one of these fucking honked. Like, dude. I mean, just miss my car, you know, then I move on. Well, he pulls over next to me gives me the finger and then tries to like pull in my fucking lane. Like, he's EP is gonna hit my car. Out of his I was like this guy. He just knows he just knows his car hits my car. His car has barely any damage on it. He knows a big f three fifty his tires the size of my fucking car. He was a dick, but he wanted shit. So it's like now fictive Li I hope I see him again. Now, I just wanna fuck and see him again somewhere in in the city. Just just this guy. I want to have that moment with them against him outside of his fucking big truck. That's funny. Yeah. We love we like, I I don't hold grudges like, Bobby Lee. And I were talking about the Bobby holds the biggest grudges on earth. Yeah. Some of the worst. I mean, he was like twenty year grudges, really. Oh my God. Bobby Lee ask him about it. He genuinely when someone does the wrong thing to him. Like, I'm not talking like makes a bad mistake. When someone does something where you're like that's fucked up that can fuck up a friendship. He will hold that against you for the rest of time. That's it. That's it where some people would go whatever man, I forgive you shit happens. Now, he's he holds a fucking garage. Bad. That little tiny ball rice ball has a lot of vengeance. Inside. He's my little dumped, how dare you? I'm allowed to say that man I'm allowed to say that because I because I used to own Bobby. I used to buy bought him for a month. How much did it cost sixty five grand? That's a lot anything Jeff to feed him. He doesn't really require that much food. Now when does he get to own you that's part of the deal right from ten years later. Yeah. Ten years later. He owns you for a whole model with me for a month. Yeah. Then he's going to be still on it for ten years. Really did do that. They just decide. Okay. You can own me for one month. Yeah. And I'll do whatever the fuck you want. But then I own you for one on ten years from now, that's a great movie, by the way, this is a crazy deal. It's alive. Be well like nine years later the dudes just drink in and chain smoke at try to kill skills. 'cause vigorously for a month. That'd be like indentured servitude. Right. Mostly was people that were too poor to make journeys or to do something. So they would give up a certain amount of like they would make a contract like they would work for someone for a certain amount of time right essentially, how set up. Yeah. I mean, that's basically, that's what it is. Right. Basically saying like, but it's yeah. Is it like a sl-? I I guess the conditions. Probably varied in one of the grossest ones oversaw was vice did a piece about Dubai believe. It was in about some people who are unscrupulous construction. People would take these folks in from third world, countries and promise them all this money to work there. And then they take their passports away from them, and then pay them a fraction of what they're supposed to pay for them. So they're they're trapped and they were living in squalor trapped. They don't other passporting more during the wrong human trafficking is what? It is. I mean, that's the same as when they do to these young girls. They have these girls come over to the United States. You know, I think it was a documentary on Netflix about these young Russian models. Right. And they give these goals modeling contracts. They live in you know, like a four bedroom apartment two girls to a room. Right. And they essentially, you know, fucked them around for a little while with small little weird, maybe random gigs. And then they're like, hey, if you wanna make more money, you could always sell your body or sell pictures of you, Newt makes way more money, and they think it's kind of part of this modeling thing, and this is like a content. I think it was a I think it was on Netflix. But it was all about these girls getting trapped and they can't go back. They don't have enough money and this this modeling agencies modeling agencies. These these men manager agency there. Well, we have to keep your money and will give you like a a salary so to speak. We pay your rand we'll give you food is horrible. But if it was dudes are wouldn't care at all. Yeah. Of course, it was true. These five handsome guys came over. Russia looking to get some pussy and dry Ferraris. But it wasn't really working out for them. Like get a job at the job. It's what the fuck did. You think is going to happen is gonna get pussy in Harari. Get out of here, bro. I'm good looking. I thought this would make me make me I'm sorry. Can't get any modeling gays by if you want to make some money fuck this lady. So so much for two grand for me. You fuck that ole von, okay? It's all you gotta do. Do. I have to come or just hang with her for. She has to she asked to I have to work with hotel. She com. Yes. You gotta work with her. Okay. You got to be a good act. No eating Pusey. I can't do that. Oh, you have to eat pussy. I have to three grand. They don't even shave old ladies they gave up. Okay. So Eteri Bush for to grant, I'll delete grand three grand Masjun. Right. Much sympathy. Would you have to show gigolos that was on show? I didn't. But I know shop Watson, Tom and Christina. They talked about a lot. Why is it that shop there? They stick it ran its course on flex seasons. No. It was not for sixty interviewed one of the guys. I believe by the way, by the way, every TV show I've done is only gone for like two years, but gigolos get six. That's the state of television. Jesus Christ this crazy. It's very it's a very good tell by the way, there's not a lot of these these this whole the culture of male gigolo. I think they said percentage wise, it's like unbelievably smaller these guys that get into the gigolo world and stay they all get they get in. They get out most women that get into sex work last significantly longer than these dudes way for very varied reasons. But I think the gigolo thing is kind of like a moment in a man's life. Where he's like, I'm not fucking try it some young like fun loving free for all. It's like open mind. I'll just give it a world. Then he gets right out. I don't think that happens for girls at all. I think women stay insects. Would you feel bad for some dude who was working as a gigolo in his pimp was shook night since pimp was making them go out there. He pussy no to make that money. It's the website for it. I just website for this guy writes, really good poachers. This. Guy. What's going on November Mani what's going on with? He works at the coffee shop around the corner from my house was wearing a shirt like that. That's just how it's his look, dude. Bradley lord. I ain't hating if you could sling. Dick, get paid good luck to you. Look, some people do it some people out there working as a masseuse that do not like touching people. Okay. Tell me how much different that is. That's a bummer though. How much different is that than being able to be a guy on where nice shirts like that? And occasionally gotta bang broads. You don't want to wear nicer, so horrible. Look, you get some just your hands. No. With the world could be worse. Do you? Remember, Richard Gere was gigolo and one of his movies. Who isn't it? Didn't you have a movie called gigolo? We'd like bango ladies. I don't know if it's called gigolo. But yeah, I think it was called gigolo. That's right. And boy. You must love this. They're banging ladies. Here's what they don't tell you most of that money in that gigolo world is sucking dick. Okay. You want to go out there and suck that dick? You can make that money. But if you just wanna bang all Lenny's. Whoa. Look at the different. That's when he was young. That's when he was how we got to be like twenty two twenty three. He was pretty young and handsome, and then father time done fucking, Molly wab, Tim time got Marvin Hagler on Thomas Hearns. Third round. I remember when he went on stage in New York after nine eleven who did Richard Gere did and was trying to tell the audience that they should choose love. And that would stay stay where onstage she he was on stage at some sort of benefit. Oh, right. Nine eleven. Yeah. Was right after nine eleven and he was saying essentially that, you know, great message at the time people were just bloodthirsty. They booed him. They like fuck you what he's saying. Fuck you, basically saying, let's not have military action. More people shouldn't die because of some things raised people did to us. He sang try to figure out a different way to do this. Yeah. He's he's he's a Buddhist. I believe I mean, he's like he's really close POWs of the Dalai Lama. Yeah. But, but but in the interest of talking about what we're talking about revenge means a lot. It's kind of hard to tell America did not get revenge on somebody. Right. We love revenge. Well, yeah. What we love getting back people that try to fuck with us, even if we go even if we go way deeper than they did we're warlike monkeys. We love it. We we we when when we think we're being attacked retribution revenge is who were just talking about earlier about with chips chips do that to natural. It's its nature nature nature. You wanna get revenge mother fuckers like we were talking about that guy got ripped apart by the champ rent to bring a birthday cake to see other chimps that did it because they were jealous. Angry jealous. Getting conversation and get shit and someone fucked up and left the gate open. And they they came out. Fuck that dude up risked his limbs off tortoise face part. Just because he wouldn't give them didn't bring cake for them where they female chimps. Now there are man. Where's my cake? Losing it cake? Must be so must have been goodness. Fucking cake to champ. That doesn't understand what cake is like how the fuck new to this. But they do understand what cake is well, the understand it once you get it to the gym. Yeah. It's something it's like a powerful or be brought they'll tell you when we're Costa Rica, and there's there's monkeys everywhere. They're cool. Cool house monkeys, but they're a little sketchy. I know I got married down there. And did it Costa Rica? Yeah. They're out of their fucking mind. We were hanging out with them. And there's a thing called the Kuwata Monday. You know, what that is? Now, they look like a like a raccoon monkey thing too weird creature a rookie, and they would come. We were staying at this resort. And they would just come right down the pathway to where your your door to your room was just hang out with you. Like these quantum Mondays. Just hang out. You could feed them grapes and shit. They would take him right out of your hands. Yeah. But like no danger at all they were like super chill. Friendly. So he keeps his quantum Monday, some grapes, and then he laid down and took a nap under my chair just took another dog dog like the most chill dog of all time. And my God damn these things are cool. You're just sitting there. Just I go ahead, buddy. Tickets ticket nap, you're safe here. Again, some grapes and people want want chimps at their house people love the idea of having them. So the monkeys came over and we only had that's what a quantum Monday. Looks like do they're the shit. There's there's such little animals. It does kind of look foolish. My daughter's gave them a fake name. Like they were calling him a king ca chew. They just decided to call it a king ca chew. It's more fun. Yeah. They could choose any of their own word up. I think I don't think that's real word Coletta Monday. But the little guy was so cool, socially interesting. Little fellow just gently take grapes right out of your hand, gently like the most chill dog of all time. So anyway, we out of grapes and these monkey showed up, and they're they're like hanging out. Like, look like, what are you? I got these hungry. No real month old was on a monkey now. That's like a I don't know. What that is. I don't know what it could water Monday is what family is what is in any way. We gave these Mike. You're like, I don't know if we should give these monkeys orios. It's kind of fucked up. It's not good for them to look at one of them only had one hand like well, that's not good for me to fuck in hand bit off gave them gave them that. He snatched it from me, and he opened it up, and then started chewing the white stuff just like the cream. Yeah. He's one of us. But he already knew about new like he's probably beginning orios for his whole life time from people that stay at the resort. Does the trick. Yeah. He knew what the fuck to do older. Will they make you, you know, they're all open air houses you rent on the beach? They everything's pretty open except for the bedroom is the only thing that's closed off, and they had latched locks padlocks on the refrigerator. And I was like what are you guys? Locked that up, and they're like, the Monkees know how to get into all that shit. They know how to open the door and then get in the drawers. He's like dude, they knew how to they knew how to open up egg cartons, they know how to open the lid, and take eggs and closed the lit. I'm not kidding there. That smart. So in the middle of the night the first night that we were there. I I hear the gate kinda rustling, and then I hear movement, and I'm like someone's in the fucking because it's on the beach. It's wide open. Of course, I like grab something is the biggest thing I could find next minimum out there. Like, hey, hey, you know, like a nut bag in my fucking on. I'm yelling, of course. I look it. They're just monkeys Chilin trying to get shit in the house. They're trying to find shit laying around food drinks, whatever it was. And of course, I go back to an every night. I would hear. Them come and go, but you'd hear them try the refrigerator, they would you're pulling on it to see if the latch was like if we left it unlocked. They're smart, they they learn they learn all the little tricks of where you put stuff cabinets. I could hear cabinets opening and closing. Yeah. There were smart, man. That's so weird. It's like a little person this little sneaky, personally, fuck us it, and they and they put purposely up in this place that I was at they purposely string wire from house to house to house. So the monkeys kind of had freedom to go up above because if they would go down by the road, it would cause more traffic and disturbances and all that stuff. So they keep them up in the canopy. They put rope purposely house to house and treat a tree that humans put up so they have easier pathways to get down to the water because they say when they're down on the ground. It's more distracting. There's you know, it's a lot harder to drive they they create little message down below. So they keep them up high. It's better for them who's crazy, man. Wow. Wild little creature. That can swing from tree tree. They fly up and down treetops like that. Hanging from shit. Just almost like people. I'd see one just it'd be staring right at you. But they're almost like people to so they're the right fucking there. Well, the weirdest the weirdest thing is that if if ever Lucien is happening all the time like this little monkey is breaking into a house watch watch watch. All smart, look, if give me those chips, I love these fucking chips that it looks like he's looking right at the person to. Yeah. He is. Oh, wow. And he just takes off with the chips. Do they know which was eight them? They know which one is just be nice to him. What happens if you feed them? You can't know they tell you not to feed him because well, then they know to keep coming back and where they can get food monkeys. Now, they say the. And they say if you don't if you when you stop feeding them fed them enough, then they start to get aggressive. So then you shoot one Clinton message. Right. And then they all come back and kill lot of fucking twelve gauge and you blow the little face off one of those cuts, and you make your drawing you guys want free food, you'll get it. But you get it on my my d'armes. He back inside your just describe plot for a planet of the apes was literally like the plot get them hooked, you get them hooked you bake them hooked on food. Yeah. You bathe him. There's a lot of places like that where we're animals are dependent on people depend on people to feed them. It's it's a little squirrelly. There's a place in. I think it's Jamaica where people swim with wild pigs now while HAMAs the Bahamas. Yeah. Yeah. The wild pigs generally avoid people. They don't want to have anything to do with you dangerous. Yes. It's sketchy. Yeah. While bores are nuts. Yeah. But in this place people have been feeding these things for so long trips like tourist trips right before. Flying. Feed these pigs and swim around with them pig is. So they got wild pigs that are constantly being fed by people, but a friend of a friend went there and someone they were with good bit. I've heard they met them in the ass a bit one of the one of the pigs bit them in the ass. And it was because they didn't have any food or someplace they didn't offer anything to keep feeding them throughout the whole thing. It tells you all about that that they get really ornery, and they get really annoyed Faulk. You drown? It put under the knob row, those aching. They're strong. They are you can't fuck with animal because they're beautiful, and they're sweet and like pigs are they're a weird one there. Look as co Armagh dog lover, I love dogs now pigs are almost like a dog, and maybe smarter close their pro. Well, the probably definitely smarter. But they liked the way that we react to people, and like if you feed them, and you're the friend you become their buddy, but are you against eating them? No. But also looks of killed them. I know like wild ones, but wild ones. Are different right because they're out there hustling. Okay. They don't they're not in this fucking pen getting slop all day trying to fatten him up. Right. It's hard to get fat out there. They're out there. So much more lean meat out there the much leaner, but they're also vicious, man. They're getting really grill. These giant tusks? They have these big fucking fangs. And the crazy thing is there is the same species as domestic right? It's the same annum just once one once pampered and one's not exact have you ever seen heavily? Do you know what are so in Arizona Pechory? Well, when I saw those it looks just like a pig. That was my when I first moved to Arizona, I saw one, and I was like what the fuck is that thing, and my buddy was like, no, no, no, don't they they'll come right at you. They they will fucking go for your legs bad because they're real low to the ground. But he's like they'll start spearing you, and they'll come at your legs and one time I was valeting and college, and I was up way up in the mountain and at some dudes some pry huge private residence and their packs. I mean, packs of them, and I could hear them rustling around and they were like positioning themselves 'cause I was we were pardon. Cars where they were living. And I was like we can't park cars up there. You can tell these started to get aggressive and jumping and diving at the cars they were getting fucked annoyed. Man, they we can't go back up there. We're gonna get fucked up. These little bullshit pigs. You know, we're Stanhope lives out in bisbee, which is real close to the border all over the place. They're everywhere. They killed one of his friends dog. They do kill they. Well, they're known to kill cats more. But yeah, they do kill dogs because about depend on the size of your dog there. Some of those some dogs could fuck those things up because they're not that big. But they they're known as murder cats. It was a small dog. I think they flanked it in this came out from the sides depart the real dog. What do you do when something like that kills your dog or you out with a shotgun? Trying to find the rest of them. Do I was trying to kill coyotes ate my chickens, and I don't give. I mean, I love chickens like cute. They're my friends. But when they died a couple of died of just natural causes. Yeah. I'd like oh poor little guy. But if my dog died, it'd be really sad. You know, what I mean, it's a different relationship different. So when these coyotes killed my chickens, I sat out there on the porch with a bow. And. Rage finder waiting to fuck them up for days. I even tied one of the dead chickens that they killed to a pot. Like, you know that you would plant is in. What are you doing Jim? The PLO that you plant things in and I sat it in the middle of the yard as bait. Right. And I sat up there waiting one of them came and my daughter screamed out a Coyote to my goddamn teacher at on a had fucker that's inside is inside of forty yards. And he was creeping in. All I had to do is get to my spot. I would have probably got a shot. Yeah. How forty yards that's a far away while he was at forty yards when my daughter screaming oh shit. Well, then like freaked out I stayed up there for a few hours longer. What's the what's the furthest that you feel comfortable hitting a target for a little target? You know, there's a difference between something that's the size of a Coyote coyotes only like the nominating your body might be like a foot foot and a half. They're not big at all the other times from top to bottom. So we're trying to if you're trying to hit them in the vitals. You don't have a lot to aim at. It's a very big dot. Yeah. Yeah. I wanna be you'd want to be fairly close. I think about that. All the time with a rifle you could shoot them. That's nothing. That's something totally different. I try to kill him. I only grew up shooting rifles. I never shot a gun until I was in my twenties the rifles. I was so used to shooting. I got so accustomed to shooting it, and then I try to bow once and that was unbelievably fucking heart. You should learn. It'd be fun for you can always come here. And I'll come next time. John Dudley comes into town. I'll have a hook you come teach me. Yeah. You did love it, man. Not even like to go hunting just to shoot targets. It's really fun and they're like until that game out due to. Yeah. That game out there that have the techno- hunt gay once you get into that and start playing that what's your should add a screened entre. Fucking good fun. I had Corey Anderson UFC light-heavyweight. He's a bow. Hunter had him here. The other day, and he was playing it is a good. He's really good. But you could tell like, right. I mean, he practice. He's a fucking elite athlete, of course, is going to be good. Yes. True. What do they not so fighter? So he's got this disciplined mindset. And you know, it was just on the ball, but you could say right away when he planned him like, oh my God. This is so addictive. I'm like this game of all time. What you started? It's hard to get let go if you're an actual Bo hunter, you you only get to shoot a thing. Like a couple times a year. Yeah. You know, if you were going allot, if you're going allot like the idea that you're going to shoot a lot like if you're some Remmy warranty character Cameron Hanes. Yeah. You'll shoot a bunch of deer year. And you you live off those. That's what he does. But if you're a regular person like you think how many deer you think you're gonna find how many deer you think you're gonna sneak up on if you're lucky one or two years. So like the moment when it happens. It's such a big moment. You're like fuck here. It is you're trying to stay contracts. They come. But with that thing, you're shooting at them all the time, just fun. So it's in your head. Right. So like what I'm seeing is this animal moves and. Moves into the pocket, boom. The release pop in a hits a perfect and you see over and over and over and over and over again. So will you learn from martial arts? And what you learn from stand-up. It's the same thing that applies to bow hunt. Right. It's about repetition, the more, you can do it and the more you see it over and over and over the more that pattern becomes your mind. So that game for for a guy like Corey or someone like me blow hunts that games like holy shit. This is what I've been looking for C, a real animal walk into range and that because you always want to be ethical, right? You want to be able to shoot the right animal want to be able to hit it exactly where you want where expires very quickly the best way to do that as sufferings. So this game is just super addictive. What's a call? It was a game called. It's called techno hunt. Techno on you score against each other. So if you were playing it like you give ten points or a bullseye, eight points for the vitals, you get like five points for headshots this shop. No, no, it would have to be a very small something about headshots learning playing gun games. First person shooters. Games over the years. Headshots are always the most rewarded thing. Like, oh, Ed shot, but you don't want to do that. With an animal. You do if you have a rifle and you wanted to die instantaneous shirt, and it is a it's the way they do it that some hunters that are chefs do it when they like hundreds who were chefs there's there's two different kinds of hunters. Right. There's hunters that eat the meat, and they, but they want the one shoot a mature animal because that's what everybody strives for like if you're a skill hundred year, Stephen L or something like that what you're trying to get is an old wise animal, right? It's already spread its DNA. And it's mature and is probably the end of its breeding cycle. That's what a guy like that. Once what he's he's like the ultimate hunter. Right. What he wants is the most fair chase. He's never hunts in high fence operations the most fair chase the wildest animal and he wants to get the oldest mature one. But then there's chefs and chefs believe some of them, do it's very debatable that the younger animals tastes better than the older animals. So they're not trying to get an old mature animal. They're trying to get a young. A tender animal that isn't like fully muscled right worn out with you want. Some you want some stills tennis to some softness to the Muslim. But then there's people like Hank Shaw who's a also a world famous. Chef who's also a hunter who prefers older animals because he thinks there's like there's flavor to them and there's life to them like that they're aging and the all their life experience. It comes out if you cook them correctly. It just requires a different sort of preparation. It's kind of it's kind of like a young woman versus older women like young women have a lot of positives about them. But older women have just as many positives about older women that more flavor. What you want? Right. You want to check. Who's like? Yeah. Who didn't six plus who has the gym every day. And that's I trust me. I know I I've had this conversation about the whole night because if we stopped working out it's over I say, if we stopped were if we if we stop exercising carry health. It's all there. It's over. That's what he's fact now. I wanted to sign a wanted to my one of my lawyers joked us on documented says if we if we get fat free and clear gone. But I mean, if she gets fat out if I get that she should be out if either of us break this thing that we're doing together. But if it brings you closer that we've had she gets to worry about body image anymore. Fuck minutes. Let yourself go. Fuck that come on fuck that shit. Hey, hey. Hey, shaming right now realize I know you don't wanna sham but you're not doing Joe you fat. Fuck I can't believe you. I just think I think we've made a bond together, we made a pack. We're like both wanna stay relatively healthy and take care of ourselves. So in our older years like, my parents are both in in really great shape because they've cared their whole lives not to appoint of like, you know, not having fun. They still have a great fucking time. But no. But just stay consistent with caring about what you put in your body. And the way you work this simple shit. So yeah, if she gets fat by if I get that she's by to if I get fucking fetched. She's gone. She even said it. She was like, I'll leave your fat ask being fat is such a weird one that people. Call people fat who aren't fat, right. I mean. Know, but I'm just saying like as an insult. It's such a weird one it is because like girls will call girls fat like that fat bitch look at early sick. Or does not fat. What he's saying? It's just it's a dig. It's. Okay. You you fat? Fuck guys say that the guys that like barely have any found at fuck. You did other cheeseburger, Jamie. You fuck that. It's an easy dig. Yeah. It's an easy insult to girl. Call me fat at the there's a video of it online. Girl, calling me fat of the comedy store and a pull up my recently, or my six pack. No long. Now, I was like, you're crazy. But it was like why am I fats like what what are you coming up with that? You're second. You're fat. I bet you're we too weird thing. The the fact that the body can carry excess tissue. Yeah. It's a mistake like get it. It's a good way to store fuel. When it gets a point. Like, why are you still hungry? What kind of shitty system? Do we have this big? And you're still hungry. Didn't the tank body should say, hey, bro. Bro. Browsed up. We got the fuel. But it does not put your body's working off carbohydrates. That's a problem and it's not burning fat. That's why that whole Kito genyk diet works as much as people don't like to think that it does. And there's so much controversy about that like from non-scientists, which is hilarious. Have you talked to actual scientists like Dom dog Estino talk to you about the peer reviewed research that's been done on Keita, genyk states and all the different benefits, and what you know, how could be healthy. And how he does it and Kitone esters. These different factors. You have to take into consideration it Kito testing and blood testing. There's all these knuckleheads saying it's bad for you. It's not a good idea. Like, Jillian Michaels. Like, it's not gonna idea. It's not you'd better stop. They say that pounds. Right. It's a normal state. It's a normal state for your body to burn fat. Yeah. And you have more clarity. And you'll also you're not as hungry. You're not as hungry during the day. Right. My my problem with it is I don't think it's the best thing for performance. I think like you have a little bit more energy. If you burn glucose to because even like, the top, there's a Zach bitter. He wouldn't even win the American brand. Twenty. He ran a hundred miles in like eleven hours around a track. He's guys that can do this shit some crazy record miles and I need to chill for a minute. Some crazy some crazy record for hundred mile record. He broke eleven hours, forty minutes. Yeah. Second. That's insane. Say seven minutes. Seven hundred fucking mile. Now, he is on primarily, a carnivore diet, all meet all meet rib is and barely barely any meat and fat barely greens. Right. Barely in greens. But then when he competes he takes a lot of glucose, like he'll take glucose gel, those gel gel packets those runners us. Yeah, he he pounds in that shit pounds in the carbs. So he could burn that off to right? You know because he's living off like fat and protein. But when he competes he doesn't do that. And I think that's the key. You're saying when he competes he does use glucose, but when he's done competing. He does he goes back to putting his body in a fat burning state. It's a pure diets are kinda crazy though, like Pugh just just meet with nothing else. It's all the man, I know Jordan Peterson's done it now for over a year, and he releases bloodwork or the results it was blood work. At least everything's in range. Everything's healthy supplemental vitamins, he doesn't do anything. He eats steak with salt on it. And he drinks water. And I'm telling you listen to me man, if he gets a Perrier with lime in he'll spit it out. He doesn't want the lime in a fucking Perry. And that yes in crazy. That's that's too much lost fifty pounds fifty fifty pounds lost fifty pounds. He had some serious immunological issues. Immunological that'll work. Yeah. It sounds made up. Yeah. I don't know he had serious immune deficiency, he had immune immune deficiency immunological. But doesn't it sounds phony? Yes. Fake immunology is a word -nology. But you mean, a logical sounds bullshit. Sounds like he took two words and put them sophistication sophistication he'd some serious issues as helped. Yeah. Do also suffered from depression, all that stuff. Look a lot of what they think that a lot of the issues of people suffer from they suffer because of inflammation. And when scientists are studying things that carnivore diet, what would would striking them almost more than the fact that you're just eating meat as that. You're not eating all these other things. And so that in giving your body only one food source to deal with sometimes your body can eliminate a lot of the issues that it has. And it also mimics like some of the benefits of fasting. I'm too stupid to be really judging this. I don't. No. I'm listening to all that. I know that I'm fucking dumb too. He had like receding gums some serious gum issue that all went away. All these things went away when he was on that carnivore die for you. I don't eat like that. I'm not saying eat like, no, I don't eat like that. I think that'd be a balance. I think I think some people may may work with that. Right. But they'll also tell you there's somebody diets that people do that they're blood doesn't line up with that diet. It's not good for them. Right. Some people are just worked with right? Some people. So people can have higher intakes of red meat and other people it's really really bad for their system. Just because of the way lettuce. Well, some people are literally allergic to it. Right. Some people like like my wife needs way more iron needs cast to have. So whether it's supplemented by pills or by higher instances of meets with higher iron in. It comes a lot of vitamins in it and some iron. I'm not I can't produce anymore. Man. None they cut off my balls. Do. I turned him in. Yeah. What did what caused you to turn them in? What was the final straw? Was this movement downtown on your own gender? Yeah. I went to the me too thing. And I cut off my balls. I left him there. So. I donated them if you like if people started calling for that if girls are calling for that guys would remove your guys out there. There's a certain there's a so. There's so many people there if you called for guys to step out into the middle of the town square and cut their own balls off at least a couple of guys and show. Let's just I can name to to live and there's a couple of days. I know that would fuck it. Exactly. Just for like Twitter cred. Yeah. Just for some street. Just for the re tweets of love from this is how you are an ally, boys. Learn like, my favorite like your favorite shirts. Yeah. Females kick ass, or what is it women kick ass or whether it was curious kick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That whole idea of like of of virtue, signaling overt overt support for something. It's so see-through when you're like, I'm here for you girls. It's socio through such a crock shit. But the can feel that way without yelling at all the time we pull you also like broadcasting like what what are you doing? Yeah. What are you doing? What's the purpose? Yeah. That's what I like why why are you reaching out? You're supporting what you supporting what is happening. It's another instance of the echo chamber doing the whole supporting the thing that I don't think people are really I talk about it on stage about the TRAN TRAN the word transphobic over like, I understand the meaning. But. I also think it's hyperbole is in essence of like there are these large groups of people that are against transpeople. I don't believe that whatsoever. But there are definitely are. I think they're small groups of people that get a lot of attention. I don't think there's massive look the KKK is significantly larger group than whatever group you want to formulate of a transfer of transphobic nature. I know a lot of people don't even know what that is. Right. Haven't done any statistical research, many KKK members are in the United States. There are tens of thousands. Okay. How many people think transpeople religious that that don't believe in transpeople or they don't think that they should be able to call themselves woman. I think I think most of those people don't care enough to call themselves part of that category. They disagree. They go out. And really like it. I don't get it. I think I think there's more those than there are people that are like adamantly against trans rights. I think we have to take into consideration. When we already said about guys willing to cut their balls off that there are guys like that. Are sure there are some there are so many people in this country guarantee. You there's a lot of transphobic people a lot because av RT listen, man, if you read the comments, and I don't and I didn't. But someone told me that the comments on the Eddy, Izard, Instagram posts that are made were horrific. But don't you think that is internet fodder? See that's my thing is I think people like to say shit on the internet, even if they don't believe it because they know that gets attention. If they go Fook is fucking dude looks like a chick fil A what they said, maybe they were just making fun of the way looks. You can you can assume what if fucking people right on the internet about that issue. They would just go who with this. Fuck o'hare. I'll give you an example. I tweeted the other day about the met gala Harry styles. I tweeted he was wearing like a a lot of men were wearing dresses at the met gala. This is the whole thing. And I tweeted Tilda Swinton looked fire at the met gala because he looked like Tilda Swinton not because I'm saying like who's till the swimming. She's fucking actress who has short hair, right. So right. That was him. And I said Tilda Swinton looked fire at the met gala who is this gentleman. He's he's a pop star. He's like part of what's it called one direction? He's part of action. What what is happening with that? That's what he wanted the make else would say, Jamie. It's a blouse a Blau shirts versus blouses. Okay. Here's the thing. If you go in one of those things, and you're gonna stand in front of all these jackasses with cameras. Stick pictures, why not wear a fucking blouse. That's what that's the point. But I said till this went and looked fire because when I saw the first image his face kind of looked like till the twin? Okay. Of course, I'm making the joke about joke, your comedian. Well, dude, everyone was like very funny last night. Thank you. Thank you. Everyone went after me. Everyone was like, of course, you fucking. I mean, are you a Nazi they say, the here's my problem. They go. He's I think he's gay. Right. Did he is he gay, Jamie? No. I think somebody told me they were alone. There were like your sexuality. I was like what? Like what I can't make fun of people anymore for people. I said t t look like till the fucking swin. Why are you reading comments because I'm not as famous as you stop and think about the amount of people that had their balls. I know that would just walk into that town square and their balls off to now stop and think about those people commenting. Yeah, I know and you're reading I know allowing it to fuck with your head. Sometimes I feed into a lot of times. I don't when do you not when I'm confident in whatever I posted. It's interesting, right. When like that joke, I knew it was gonna be misinterpreted. Like, I knew when I wrote then I go someone misinterpret this who cares. That's why still posted it. But but I read some shit. Sometimes if I go, I wonder if that was dumb, or if that was cool, wouldn't it be fun? If you could be half drunk all the time and never suffer any physical consequences me. You know, I love that. Nothing would make me wonderful. Drink it just but with a half, a buzz on you know, that feeling when you've gotta have was on like my favorite thing in the world. No, touchy, just feel good. You know, how I know that feeling hanging out with your friends. Having a bus in not worried. That's how Gaullism starts I think that was a lot of members of my family had half, a buzz all the time. Well, half a buzz all the time. Would be it's like that'd be a good place to be maybe how many how many? The good half of the bad happy. Just a little little like that feeling. You get after that first glass of wine. We like, why do you think people have wine at lunch? Yes. That's fucking shop work. I assume she someone was drinking a bottle of wine by herself yesterday. Is that league? Look if you work in an office, and you have a gla-, do they let you have a cocktail lunch. Totally. It depends on who where you work. If you listen in our industry entertainment street, there's no fucking rules. Well, obviously, but I'm saying like a regular do you. Remember the dude who used to run the Tempe improv didn't want you doing shots before? You're going no drinks before you had a conversation with me about it. He's like you really need that. Because I was like, hey, listen to me. Look at me. I'm a professional, right? I'm also an athlete or I work out a lot. I'll be I'll be I'm going to do this. I'm going to go to the gym. You wanna work out? Yeah. Shut the fuck up man come on just on the club to I'm not. I'm not going to get so drunk or can't talk. I'm having a shot therefore perform if you became one of those guys, you would know everybody knows. Like, I know what I'm doing. Right. Hey in even if I have too many if I have four or five instead of two I'm going to be okay, right. Like, I'm grown up. Still figuring it out driving anywhere drug them. Do anything stupid. I'm working tonight. In fact, there's nights where I've had a few because I've been sad about where I am like I'm at a club that I don't wanna be at or something, and I'll have a few too many. But I'll get on stage in the first thing. I think is I still gotta put on a show. I still got to work hard, but I'm a little little drunk, but autopilot kicks a little bit. Sometimes like back in the day. If I was sad about the small shitty room. It would just kick into the jokes. I already knew we're going to work, and I was kind of going through the motions I was known delivering. But it was sad. Because you're like, I'm I don't know if I'm enjoying this. Or I'm going through the motions of I'm just kind of like a there's the joke. That's the joke in my mind is just on a Rolodex. Like this joke spent that joke where now I'm just at a happier place in my career that now if I do if I did get a little drunk. I wanna stage I'd be. Genuinely nervous. I'd be nervous about my performance level. So I like are they going to hear me slip up a little bit? Am I gonna because I'll feel it because with with great with great power comes great responsibility with the greater the Moore's the the big of the rooms great power, not me, but with but the bigger the rooms get the more, I feel two more. I feel more responsible to do even better than I have been doing because you walked onstage stage, San Diego in front of thirteen thirteen thousand people and own that mother fucking wild. I was wild. If you know it was doing the round. It was weird to do the round. I I don't know if I love it. I don't know if I loved it or hated it. But it was this feeling of such uniqueness that. I couldn't judge it in the moment. Like it was too. It was happening so fast. There was no there's no sitting on the stool on his thirteen thousand there's no stagnancy. You have to move. You're moving around the whole time. I liked it. It's interesting. It was wild. Because the screens are so big and everybody could always see your face. No matter where. Yeah. It was. It was good. A loved thirteen thousand human beings fucking people, son. Who's very weird the way I'm going to Denver. When is that? What is it? No Jamie's giving give shame Asian Sammy j just blurts things out just takes chances twenty four th of September. He's been slipping a little bit. Have you noticed that strong? What's been going on Jamie, Saft, Trump all the time you have buzzed? August August what twenty three and twenty four hours twenty third at the belco theater? How did you not know that Jamie? I just belted that out. And then you have the fucking computer of August ninth. I'm in Portland August tenth in the bay area at the shoreline theater. Yeah. Oh shit. Oh shit. Oh shit funded. Fucking we go to Chicago. Austin Austin was a good credit time, and the crab is so good. Yeah. It's great capcity, you know, one of the best clubs in the country. That's like I think doing those clubs like doing weekends at clubs is real valuable. That's gotta I'm gonna book more those. You know, it gets great always to be working at the store, and it's great. And we're doing these big place in the road. But those clubs to something about like done zanies in Nashville never done zanies Nashville. Let's do it zany Chicago. I've never done Nashville. Okay. Let's do it. Well, Scotto places shit at the punch line San Francisco, and sort of the parlor live the lives going down to the punchline is closing forever. They might move it. No, no. Here's what's happening. This is the real report. I read it. I read an article again this morning 'cause last night alley Wong told me. And I read the article that was posted this morning, and it basically said they lost their lease. They couldn't renew it. Because it's got that building getting bought out, basically. So they are working diligently now to try to relocate the club so need to find a new. Yeah. But it, but but for the time being it's going to be gone. You know what I worry about a word. They're gonna go big like cops. Right. Like I used to do cobs when it was not. I don't think it was one hundred fifty seats. It was tiny right now. It's like four fifty China became it became the opposite of what used to be it used to be a place that you would go you'd make less money, but you'd have more fun because it was like real tight. Everybody was like smashed into this place. It was a legendary place. That's that's easily one of the best. And I wanted to go back which kind of sucks that it's going to be gone. Now, the reason I love this club so much. So what you see is the staging tables and behind us what you can't see as the bars in the back of the room, which is one of my favorite elements of a cool club. You don't need to worry about people getting a drink to the side or the left behind. You can't hear an ice machine. It's in the very back of the room, and they do such a good job of hiding their noise and their distractions. So it's all about the show. Fucking so good at it, man. They're really good. I hope they keep an intimate venue. A really do. I love the Cisco needs an intimate venue to San Francisco. Have a good comedy seeing these days. I hear I hear a variant of stories. I think a lot of people would say that it was better back back. You know, a couple. Cades ago. But I do think when I go up there when I have been up there. There's a lot of young people that are really good that are coming still out of northern California. But I mean cobs and there used to be what is it green onion? No, the purple onion ripple and. Yeah, that used to be there was there was one more. So it it's called wasn't sound wrong. I don't know because I'm saying it sounds wrong. Is it the purple onion look up the purple? I think you're right. But it sounds. It's one of those things he you like the other thing we talked wrong. Like you made that a logical immunological the we're gonna open up a club called immunological purple. But I I I don't know shit about the fucking San Francisco scene anymore because the only clubs that I've done up. The only things I've done are punchline an ID cops. I think that gal fanatic is he dispatched at live of the privilege. That's right. It was smaller. Yeah. It was tiny tiny exact on a place. I think that's not there anymore. So the like for like real intimate spots on the road. Like, you still have Atlanta Atlanta's got one of the best places. That's that's baloney. That's gone, gone fog twelve. Yeah. It was glowing close in two thousand twelve look how intimate is small. It is the only other venue. That's like that that's small like that still has like you're talking about laughing skull is still small that's still real timing. What does that seat like ninety ninety a hundred packed dolphin them in there? I went I was in town doing something. I went over there to watch garland to watch. Jeff do Jeff's thing. And how was it? Just Jess Jeff Jeff is so unabashedly clear that he's just fucking around like he was. So obviously like I'm gonna fuck and do this whole set about one guy, and he picked a guy of the audience and the entire set about the guy, and it was just like him just fucking around. He was having some he was having tons of fun. He's a sweet guy. He's hilarious, man. He's he moves. He is his brain moves. Very fast in a way that I wouldn't anticipate right for some reason, you you think you're like this is he quick he's like he's very quick. He's a fucking. He's a very cool funny, dude. I like to do. But yeah, I I haven't. I don't know. I'm starting to do a few new clubs now and in the size. The sizing is different. And I just. I like to do bigger places, but I love intimate venues, man tariffs. No way to there's no way to get that feeling of how when you're there. They're all it's all different, man. There's no way to get that feeling of thirteen thousand people either except for fucking that. Yeah. Fuck I've seen different feel. It's all different, man. It's all different. It is. I think well worth it. Yeah. I think you've got gotta be on a steady diet of everything. Yeah. It's like you don't want to be just a carnivore in only do thirteen thousand seat arenas. You don't want to be just who is it who's your carnivore? Who is it Jordan Peterson? Is that who this? Yeah. He's only one of them that I know I know several people that are on the carnivore diet. I can't I can't get innocent. Because I still like bullshit. I'm not going to not have ice cream once in awhile. I'm not going to not have a fucking couple of Frenchman. I'm that guy. I'm gonna work out. But I'm also going to have and do what the fuck I want. I just I can't get on that train. I suffered for a while doing a crazy diet, which do I did. I did I did this this. It's almost like a circuit likes how circuit workout is. It's like circuit dieting where it's like one week without do. You know, what that is? No. Yeah. You like like you get rid of an element. That's kind of a vice right way. It's like an if it's going to be a heavy vice right like like, I've high amounts of sugar in my diet. So it's like I do a week completely without sugar and then week without meat, and then I did a week without now don't know fish. I kept changing what it was to find out my body reacted to it. And I fuck and hated the fucking hate it. I was like, I'm a much more balanced person up here in my work in my writing in my exercise in my sleep and my fuck life when I just get to eat what I want regimented -ly. That's a fake word. Fuck life. Regimented? Fuck likes the name of my new album. That's a good. Dow she get that tattooed across. Fuck life. I'm like, why do you say fuck life? The life the fuck life. You know, men to my fucking pump gun Doug life, regiment, regimental Reggie, mentally regimental. See that sounds fucking wrong. Does sound regimental. Like, I'm better off. When I just when I do when I just balance when I go, I don't need that shit. I should need that bullshit. And I poke in and out things once in a while. It's just I don't know, man. I think that's almost like that's the only way to live for me to for it to work. I've tried shit. I can't do it. I think people like going on diets because it gives them something to concentrate too. So that's what I'm saying. I have shit going on. I can't worry overtly all day long about like. Yeah. This meal is gonna get fucked that shit. That's one of the things that people like about it like, okay, mom this diet. Now, I gotta concentrate this is it like meal prep. Really? Yeah. Or male prepping prepping, all Almelo. Shows on Sunday meal. Prep. I am in control of my world asteroid hurtling towards. Yep. Out on the complete control of contracting rocket space. I have a finite. Life span. I have to constantly eat and shit. Everything's fine. Everything else is okay. Yeah. Everything's fine. But my buddy texted me today, by the way, he goes he had a concern. I talked about another podcast about how he couldn't he didn't shit for like five days. I'll have a buddy through that. And he went to the doctor, and he has this thing and he had to get help for. He texted me. He goes, I just wanna let you know. I'm back from vacation. I feel really good. Also, I'm shitting normal again. And I was like I feel like a a really proud friend. Like, he he was really struggling. He was nervous about. He was like dude I have and shit like four days house like four fuck days. Who's a guy that I worked with on fear factor? I don't wanna shame them. So I won't say his name. He wants it out there. Great. He had a real problem. A real problem. It was packed in there for days and days wasn't coming out. And he could feel it like he could touch his bottle and feel it inside. It was hard hard grows fiber dog had to go to a doctor, and they literally had to chip it out of his asshole shut the fuck allocated impact. Schilling's hall. They had to get in there and break it up, and then they had to make him take this like really intense laxative. Yeah. So he takes us really intense laxative like like weapons-grade laxative, and they're in their chipping away at the stonewall, which is essentially just like a damn to keep all the shit juice piling up booth banned it because he's got the impacted dried out shit that should have been out of his body days ago. And then he's got the fresh shit on top of that the top that he's got this chemical laxative the just setting off explosions the side of. The doctors here with a fucking member hammer and a screwdriver just walk in. It's at the bottom of his Astle. And then it breaks loose and just explodes everywhere. Like he gave birth to a dead seal. Just blah. Why not catching back? All right. We got. We got it. I don't know. But he said it was awful. So it was awful if they had pry the shit out of his ass break. Those are the kind of pains the those downstairs today from you're not shitting. Yes. It's what's it called? You give yourself imagine that what's it called come on? Look it up. You know, what I'm talking about this now, but there's a there's a word it's called like you. It's like a toxic toxic shock syndrome that women get if they leave a tampon into long if you're if you don't shit for a certain amount of time. You you poison yourself. Yeah. Starts to leak into your organs and shit something. It's something absurdly. There was one of those like six hundred pound life, or whatever those shows are this woman wouldn't shit that she would she kept holding holding in their life purpose. Yes, why because she didn't want. She couldn't move to shit. She was so fucking big. She could move to ship. So the ship packed up. And they were like you're gonna fucking die. It's going to get in your blood's. It's gonna get your your other organ your bloodstream and kill you. Like doesn't that freak you out? When you watch shows like that where someone's like like a. What are this call horrors quarter or or someone who's gaining a away or get there? But you know, that you could get you know, you couldn't get there. But you know, that a person could get there. Right. Right. You now Andrew Santino may two thousand nineteen you're not going to get there. Nah. Probably not you're fine. But some people feel bad road, and they can't turn around. They're stuck and they, but they compile it, right? 'cause 'cause the depression feeds the hunger feeds the depression. Yeah. Yeah. What was that? That's shit concept died after feces filled bowel burst. Shit. There's there his recommend dilated up to eighteen centimeters inside his body and was filled with feces, according to the B M J for twenty four. He's a child twenty four. This isn't some eighty year old man who just is like he's autistic. Okay. It's probably constipation. Oh, okay. Well, great now, we feel bad Jamie, Phil. Thanks, Jamie, son of baiting us with some shit. Still look at that guy almost died from constipation. So it's a few people every year they had to surgically remove to leaders of poop up Coca Cola bottle filled with poops who leaders should think of a leader bottle cove and taking two of those Phyllis salmon, stuffed up your app filled with shit, and you're filled with sand leading to a lack of blood flow to the leg was pressing on his artery, bro. Oh my God. It was his shit was choking his leg out. That's what was happening shit was just Armenian hospital for twenty three days and took thirteen days for you could walk again only no explanation has been found yet. As to explain his significant faecal loading loading patient looking at these spell fecal a e is that because they're in Australia fucking those idiots. The guy was probably banging kangaroos or something he caught some disease those people to pope on fake a loading Bank. Kangaroo, wouldn't he have you heard of that couple that they ate a raw rat heart? No from Mongolia. And they got the black plague what? Yeah, they exist. Black plague from Plugin fucking crazy people liver. That's what it was a liver. The ADA raw rat liver. And they died of the bubonic plague. Why did they eat bubonic plague? I think it'd be bonding lack sounds I it's got to be by the Obama Klay. What's the difference? Because a plague was a bacteria, right? Well, what's the black plague virus, right? Wasn't that a virus? Would you Dr not not anymore? I got this Bard. Apparently, you're not keep you can't keep the fecal loading in college. What did you think you were going to be comedian? Really? Yeah. You'll use a waste of time. Now, it's funny because I had my my mouth way throwing Andrew Santino. No case on his phone. Yeah. Fuck that. She has one of those games are blocked play was an event during a time period. Thirteen hundreds and the bubonic plague is a thing you can get right. But the black pig was what a viral diseases killing people. Right. So it's the bubonic plague that these folks got and they got it from eating a raw rat's heart or liver think it's liver. Get us what does this kidney kidney? Oh, that's in high school. Why would they kidneys? Is something you wrote? Yeah. That's in highschool. Oh my God. The you wanted to be a comedian because I wanted to be I wanna be a stand up comic and to work with comedy on television. Yeah. Are willing to do whatever it takes make. Yeah. So that says I want to do anything. I like what I'm hearing whatever it takes whatever it takes looking. I wrote below. I want you to wear a tracksuit with no underwear and meet me at the dock got it. We're going to get on my yacht. You got good time. Let's go. I got a part for you to read high script imagined in guy takes you out on his on his yacht. You like, wow. So you really think my tape was good, man. Yeah. Yeah. You tapers amazing. We're gonna show. When we are listening any brings you this script and tells you what's required if you. Yeah. And then you're out there in the middle of the water, Bob and around staring at this guy. And he got a couple of glasses of wine. It's like I'm gonna make you a star. I need to get my dick sucked. Okay. I get it. I get it. I did write in high school anything that takes. Now. Imagine being a woman you're in that situation thinking gonna Bill sweet talk that guy. Right. That's why you were flirting with him. And that's why you got close to he's you're going to get a part. You're gonna play him. You're gonna get apart next thing. You know, you're on that ocean that feels creepy feels rapi and his rapi, right? When you're dude eve like fucked, I got fucked up just sacrifice, man. But I'm saying. But I'm saying for the role that I'm saying, it's a different feeling totally. But still dangerous because if the guy finds out that you're not willing, and then you might be hostile. Yeah. And then he might be hostile back. Like your dudes one do wanna get addicts like by do. But you're both dudes, and it's a real hair-raising situation for both of what are you hearing for him a terrorism? Right. You try to get your dick. And the guy said I'll fucking kill you. And you're like Jesus now I'm gonna drive this guy back in my boat. It just me and him a guy who said he'd kill me twenty foot long little boat. Yeah. You gotta said, well, you got to make him sit up by the bow. And you just drive quietly. Do jump in the you know, that's where people kill people. Like, you know, he's going to tell people. Yeah. Totally. That's how he gets. That's that's what that's where that kid from Iowa goes missing went to Hollywood for big dreams. Never came back is out on the water cement shoes, my friend put on these shoes. Yeah. I guarantee that's happened. But you guys tried to get a guy to suck his deck and the guy tried to fight him. And they fought death academy. I'm sure it's happening now. There's got as we're speaking. There's got to be listening to this Hollywood murder day guy is choking them to death. And wanted to know. Don't go on the boat unless you really know the guy. Do you know the guy men or women if the guys are producer, and he takes you on the boats? Don't go the boat. I feel that about how well do you know, the guy with the boat not that? Well, I'm not going on I guess fucking boat. I was on a show once in there was a guy who was kind of. He was a I don't want to be mean. But he was sleazy. Just Hollywood does that mean calling out someone for being fucking sleazy is the sleazebag, but it's the the most stereotypical version of. Yeah. And there was a gal who's also working on the television shown choose. Young and flirtatious next thing. You know, they were on his boat for the weekend working on script. They came back and we were flights. But you really just said that we were creatively. Oh, gosh. Working creatively out in the middle of the water. The water gives me and being news. The water makes me feel type away. But it's like normal stuff. Like, that's what people did this business. Yeah. He used to be. He used to be what Jamie wanted to bring this up because sort of talking about that we never this is a different subject. But yeah, it's okay related. I'll save it. This is Ed buck. Do you know who that guy is? No, he's like this democratic he's a donor. Oh, oh talked about parts. Yes. Never tended to dudes have been found dead there. From drug overdoses. So though, they come over. And one guy said that what did he say that? I don't know what they've said. But like, the I think what makes them do drugs or or he's taken them in while they're already super high, and he's helping them and they die and ended up dying. Why come claiming that he's helping people is coincidence? Maybe he's telling the truth. Maybe he goes out there and finds really high people trying to save people in the middle of the night. What are you cynical, bro? Yeah. Dude. What do you think is happening? You want me take a wild? Guess. Yeah. I bet he goes out looking for people that are real fucked up to get back to his apartment to get some fucking, dick. What are your no way? And then that's that's and then they say, do you have any more drugs? And he goes, you bet I got more fucking drugs. They do more drugs together, and they die and he dies, and he stays alive who you sure case close your honor. Are you a directive gentleman? Mr. buck crew. Okay. Well, it looks like a fine man looks like he doesn't do anything. And he's got a nice goal tooth shining in the back of his mouth like what's his name? The wet bandits from home alone vest Gators found multiple sex toys, multiple syringes and clear plastic bags with suspense suspected methamphetamine in a toolbox role cabinet in the living room. He's got a toolbox filled with syringes and sex toys. Let's go to work plastic bags with meth more has been homeless and how it says. Bags clear plastic bags like more than many. He's got bags of speed. He'd been homeless and worked as an escort. Yeah. That's he was on that gigolo show season four he was one of the main guy. He's the guy. I become addicted drug is the one to think he gave me my first injection of crystal meth, I become addicted to drugs and the worst one at that. Well, I don't know if that's true. But it's crazy story that the what we do know is true to people died over there. That's fucking insane. He's. Hey, man, just is there. There's different standards. Right. Like, here's a here's a thing. Like if that guy if he was a heterosexual guy in two women had died at his house prison for life. What are the odds that they wouldn't arrest him zero zero zero zero if if if one woman is found dead in your fucking apartment. Yeah. If you to go to press hookers and shoot them up with meth, and you go to jail you go to prison. But if you pick a male, okay, it's like what we're talking about earlier, if it's guy like you're a Russian model, you came in work, bro. Fuck the old lady come on. That's true. But these guys two guys are dead. And everybody's like a you know the fucking game. They're playing they to play in that shoot the meth game. Once you shoot, John you. He's only killed two guys. What the fuck this kind of like, the what is it? The the the staircase documentary where like two of his wives died falling downstairs. Oh, yeah. People are like. What you still don't fucking? Now, you think to women coincidentally magic, they did their your favorite people ever. And they just kept falling compa it literally impossible. What if you're a rock climber there? It was in his kitchen. This fucking kitchen. Second did it. What's all crazy? He had a fucker, gene. When he said a bird flu in and scared her and flew out of the home because there was no fucking bird, by the way. But he said a bird flu in scared her and she fell down the stairs backwards, by the way, you know, hard. It is to fall back down this backwards. When you when you're already at the top of us there. Nobody falls backwards when they're walking upstairs get kicked Sparta someone has to hit you down. The that's exactly the lawyer was like somebody pushed you down the stairs. That's the only way that happens. Sparta Sparta Faulk you if they did an autopsy, and they see the footprint right in the middle of chest. Well, they said the blood splatter was like so obviously consistent with someone. That was like thrown downstairs as the our got her, bro. And these are doing that. That is the thing that happens on fly into your home. They fuck shit up. They're not they're not nice people assholes. Yeah. They really are truly not nice birds. There's such a cool animal. It's they're a weird animal that we like think of them as. These wise old creatures like we we have like an anthropomorphic version of an owl. Yeah. That's really smart. Like an owl is like well. Yeah. Like the read and find out what's going on the Tootsie pop. I'll you know, how many lakes does it take. That was like he glasses too. Yeah. That must be what it, but the wise old towel is like an adage. A why is it though? I don't know man because they're fucking ruthless. What they are just cuts that swoop down and kill rabbits. They fuck grab. It's up and their wing spans are fucking incredible. When you see them take off take flight income snag something. It's it's wild to drive it home. Once one was flying over my head. And I guess it didn't like how low it was as to where my car was on the road. Like it picked a path probably not in its head understanding that cars, go down this road. Right. It was flying. Right. And the car was just too close would just drop the rabbit and went to get it later. I pulled over because what the. Fuck was because it was big like, whatever it dropped was a fairly large creature, and I went over and his rabbit that was just gutted. Because the first thing they eat is the guts, right? So did just torn the guts out of this rabbit. They pick it apart. And then they take the rest home with them. They swooped down if you ever seen a an owls clause fucking ask other huge giants clause that the coolest video of that thing the claws, they're bad acid. I mean, God, it's an amazing. I one predator. The first picture looks like him, saying don't take a picture. And then the second one he's like, why did you take the fucking told you fit like mad at you? And she's picking it up. Look at the is in that thing. I mean, it has demonic face. Let's like beautiful predator, man. It's an incredible animal, but that one there's an amazing video online of healing hawk. It kills a hawk in its in its nest. It's swoops down in the night. They got a trail camera photo they had these this. These hawks that were in this nest, and these wildlife biologists were filming it, and this this e this owl comes in and watch this and just snatches the hawk right from the nest wash tests here comes in the distance. You'll see it's is any second. Now is crazy shit do still baby hawker. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A little baby at that motherfucker come in look at this shit. Will. That's a wrap son next. Look at the mom is like what what happened. I don't even know if that's the mom that might also be another baby. It's pretty big though, it's hard to tell it's hard to tell because perspective. But look at this look how it snatches it. Just to hand look all the feathers of fly off to hands down grabbing a hold. I don't know why they're freaks me out so much now that freaks me the fuck out Burdon bird violence is weird crazy to it is lives matter man, but it's Bert on bird violence is strange because it's almost like a cannibalism. It's happened. So often he Jack birds because they don't give a fuck doesn't matter. They don't give a fuck. But you think that's a last resort kind of? They don't really want to eat other birds, right, bro. Everybody eats birds the next picture even birds that's bird swallowing a chick. Yeah. Look at bucking, and it's his throat. Fuck what Thuat? Doc book. Yeah. That's a fucking whole duck. That's huge. Yeah. Yeah. Look at that thing that is huge. Well, it's a chick. It's not a fully grown duck. But, but it's big it's big enough that it's crazy that thinks wallows it, you know, the one of the really fucked up once when I saw recently, I saw towed eat Iraq. Are mouse. Mouse. Yeah. Is either frog or a toad? I don't know what it was a big as green frog looking type feature swallowed a mouse hole watch this this is. Yeah. This is crazy, dude. This is not it. Does not it because this was hidden. There's one that's not hidden. There's one where you could see it like in like a little glass container. Dan. I wish I could find it. Because it's a really good one. It's from a top down view. That's pretty good says, I didn't think that frogs eight mice man, I used to think the frogs are like, oh, you know, they just get bugs bugs out of the watches. Just waiting not yet. Not yet. I wanna make sure again them. Sure. Got I'm sniff around plan may be moved little baby move on you and it soon as I decided lined up. Fuck you who that now head? I just lied it. Stuffing in there with his greedy little fingers. I mean think about what a mouse trying to get out. The mouse is trying to get out because they don't have teeth. Right. Get out its head is out, man. Look, it's easy asshole. I Jesus Christ the Muslim let me just scares me. But I guess the butthole first because that's the worst taste so eat the bad taste thinking. That's just where it was eaten it head first to but look at it's blinking slowly swallowing. The mouse imagine you being able to eat a dog. That's what that's like. Yeah. The size difference. It's like you eating journey because German shepherd and just often face dislocating my jaw putting it in. How big is the frogs mouth? It's crazy. Let's I when you see those things that can dislocate their jaws. That's incredible animals that can fuck and unhinged. Their job snakes, snakes shit value charts. Charts found them in California again off the after they haven't been here for thirty years going up again off San Francisco with the puck, those they they swim through like little schools officiant. They just wall seeing that so basking shark. Yeah. Wild looking thing just like a funnel for the ocean. How many bottle caps those things while you wanna talk about plastic straws get thirty feet long. Imagine what kind of shit impacted like six pack tops or assholes. Colin Miller lite blood streaming out of their asshole in this shit. Those got those they've got to be able to handle anything after all these years. They've swallowed so much bullshit. Yeah. Boots and fucking license plates to build parts bones. All that show. Creepy shift from the bottom of the fucking found dead with thirteen pounds of plastic and its stomach holy shit and thirteen pounds were so gross. So there was a guy named that. You see that this is flip flops and one hundred and fifteen drinking Cup. They can't say red solo Cup. But that's that is people out there party and fire on that boat. And I'm sperm whales. Damn that's fucked up man lip flops. I've probably have one of those flip. I've lost. So many pairs one of mine is in the sperm whales. Did you see the video that beluga whale returning the girl cell phone? Okay. Yeah. It's fucking. If they set this up, it would have been an amazing setup, but Australia video, whoa. Returning girl south here, you go. The whale understands objects are important to you. She knows iphones are expensive. And how far it got dropped on the water, but pulled up here that's going all over Instagram and Twitter. You can usually find the video. I mean, it's coming from the depths of the water. So like, I don't know how the fuck you. And my fucking God holding onto phone and brings it up. Like, I don't know how you would fake. Oh, my oh. Well, you they don't look trainers. It doesn't look like it's like, you know, it looks like it's in the water says it's the one that was captured last week. I don't know if that the same one that's the part. I think fake about it. But oh, how they know. How would they know the same one of the ones that have it? I think that's that's how I initially saw the story. And I don't I don't believe that we're they're tagged and tracked the white where the white whale that. We posted about last week. Well, it stuck around. He's been staying at Hammerfest and then for well, maybe it's a different one. Maybe it's a whale that they saw not the one that was captured with a harness. I think that's what's wrong. They're just well, what did they post about last week go to go to their one? This is where that story came from a neuro. That's why I was so it is the same story. Because maybe yeah. It's trained a trained. Well, maybe it wanted food man you have fish bitch. And that's fine. Here's your phone. Should thank you know, bitch flu can feed things. It's like the monkeys, man. Give up give up the food you bitch. While have come from you stealing. Oh, that was the other thing that we got Margaritas, and we left like a pitcher Margaritas out, and they dumped the pitcher over and drank the Margaritas. Yeah. I like the party. So the monkeys were probably partying on our porch, the Aleve Margaritas outdid, they're gonna fuck. Amored wasted. They must be it. So hammered pitcher of mar I don't know how much they lapped up after spilled imagine, they probably just drank every drop. There's nothing left. They knocked over the pitcher. And some of it must have stayed in the pitcher. And these this is what we want and they start drinking it and knock on your door. Like, you have salt you guys live fucking salt out drinking. Yeah, he's boozed out the drink booze. This is crazy drunk monkeys. They love Coca-Cola. Oh, yeah. Look at them. It does not a drink those anything with sugar. They love sugar shifts always hammered all draw. My God is videos of drunk monkeys. They're fucked up looking the king wrestle this fall down. That's hilarious. Oh that people spill over drinks the liquid enough tables if I had a monkey I get him drunk, everyday me and that monkey we just party if everything goes totally south with me, you're gonna find me on key west living like those psycho white people just drinking with monkey. It's going to be easy. You'll be the next just like that. But they poop in your my. I don't think he does that bro. And you should stop saying that he did key west is key. West key west is the furthest. You can get and still be in America. Is it rather than Alaska? Some the most ridiculous thing to call that America. It's not even connected to Florida. Those people that live down there. They might as well be ex pats living in an island somewhere. That's what it is. Right. Hurricane there. Every thirteen days to get wiped out. There's other building. Yes. So the most. Point. But it's not just that. They're the keys islands. Yeah. Give Dr overland like they're not really America. No, it's its own little Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands. Yeah. Get the fuck outta here. How do we own Guam? Yeah. How what's that? What is over there? Yeah. That's way away from Hawaii forever to get there. How did we get talking far Hawaii's five hours by jet jet over? This is America, John. Maybe I like I like that we protect why. But I think Hawaii's its own fucking thing. Those people run their own country, and you know, would happen immediately mushrooms, it'd be legal that'd be the place to party. They voted this week a bunch of places voted Denver tried. Yeah. Denver didn't make it though. Forty-seven percent. I think those old ranchers those old ranchers came out of the mountains father's actually, dude. On the way here. I saw I saw hilarious on the bed of on the back of a truck window had a big thing that says what's going on? And it said it had a pot leaf and it said legal, and then it had a hose watering lawn, and it said illegal what's going. Oh, my God look into it at twenty cents. What's going drought? Fuck in the went away. You can grow. Don, conserving water you fuck head. Fuck you plants fucking head. Hey, easy. Here about the guy in Florida that got arrested because he would not take. I eat ask off the backs when we're talking about the I eight s s said on the back of his window. He said it is his first amendment right to let everyone know that eats. It is. Yeah. But that's a funny thing that's your boy, he has a little baby sucking on your nipple like my cute little boy. He's adorable. Oh, my little Billy wants to play baseball. But he doesn't like getting up early. And he misses a lot of practice. He got cut from the team. Now, he's kind of depressed. He'd just plays Madden all day and one day Bill. He's got a pick up truck and Billy's pickup trucks as I e try you come home and he's still living at your house because fucking loser. And you come home, and you see a little Billy with his I eat, and do you really need to have that on your truck driveway? I do do more hurts all I get my heirs to eat a lot of guys don't do. So I love no. A as I do. I do I do I and the dad is like I still support them. And I love them very much. I also eat ask Madge. If you from your mom and your driving on the highway, and you're stuck in bumper to bumper traffic with I e s in front of me for an hour. We'd laugh my mom would laugh my mom would get mad at me for stay in the same lanes. He'll just Joe you're in this lane. Because you think it's funny that I have to look at I eat, I didn't say that. I did not say it is funny though, you think it's funny. Eight is very funny. Do you think it's fun? Here's my story about that guy. I know you think it was I think it was more positive on that. I think he wanted to let people know that he eats ass. You know because he's got this. He's got I don't know if you know him, but we know him, I know him very well, Jaime. I know very well. But he's got this half of his tongue was bit off by a dog when he was young. So he knows how to eat out rough. Yeah. He's got little. Yeah. He knows how to move. He's good at Eton s but I think people for years like you can't eat ask any more Mike, and he was like guys, man. What are you trying to gender Florida man story eating ass, man? Arrested after eating ask inside Toys R Us store. That's why they closed down. That's not in business. That's a bold move little kids in there. Oh, I know what I saw is around here. Somewhere thing the game is there's a monkey on the cover and he's got a hammer. He's trying to whack the moles. And this guy's this drills. Guys, any girls poop. Mommy, you imagine. If you saw dude eating an asshole underwear a middle of toys R us, you're walking around with your kid go, and what you we get. We get a wiffle ball bat you wanna play football football. And he turned a corner and. The girl turns you get out of here. What on a rabbit hole with this one with achieving man who ripped out girlfriends intestines for yelling her husband's name during sex gets life in prison and makes perfect sense. Why man who ripped out his girlfriend's intestines for yelling at that point? I get mad Fidel Lopez told investigators get really really mad. He he ripped out her intestine for yelling out her husband's name. But that's a complicated story, also Florida. Oh, no shit. She called me the name of the other fucked and guy told investigators after September two thousand fifteen murder she said it twice and she was wrong. And she was confusing me with him at that point. I get mad. I get really really oh Jesus as Thirty-one-year-old lay. Stricken he shoved objects into misnomer vagina and anus, including a beer bottle a hair iron, even as he's this is not. This guy's a psycho. This is not something I needed to see, but a piece of shaming Jesus jail. Why are you? Why are you reading about this is something wrong with you? Where do you find that stuff, Jamie? How do you go looking for? Pages will try to sell. You the images of I eight ask Florida, man. I just started bright scrolling down. Okay. We go to Jamie's like Google ads, and it's all duct tape and crowbars and shit hands. A rope. What's up with all this rose up all the hand saws on man this how you know that you clear your search engine. It doesn't matter because I clear my shit sometimes. And and even if I want to go back to porn hub. It's still knows my suggested ship. So creeping look into it time to look into time to look into the porn. That's where they're the where people are making money. It's from cookies and let using your information and your data and finding out what you're interested in selling it to advertisers. It's all very very sorted stuff. The sucker burgers got us did. Yeah. There was us. And he's just. This allot. It's it's weird that that sort of escaped the imagination of people that were like looking towards the future. Like, they didn't think that data would be so valuable. Yeah. Nobody really not really saw that twenty years ago. Now when the internet was first coming alive, like nobody ever thought they'd be able to like check your searches like when they figured out how to make a search engine than tied it into what you're searching foreign selling that to advertisers. God, it's genius. But it's it's crazy that they can make so much money. It's like you're talking about. It's not right. You can make so much money telling jokes that it's really not right for you make so much money providing a search engine of the materials that you search which you're supposedly you're protected by right? You're supposed to think that your searches are protected but on one hand, right? Like, it's cool because you get all this data into this information. But you know, you could literally find out any answer to any question. We do it all the time. Yeah. But then the other part. It's like, what am I giving up? You get to now vein know, what you like what kind of what things you're thinking about buying or what you're interested in. What movies you like, they know that? So they start selling you that like, oh, I guess I want them to sell to me is what I like kind of that is a nice car. Wow. Look at that movie. Does a good, you know? And then I call my Google is really working out. Well for me you want to become autonomous machine. It's just a big net casting out and just put a chip. Are you cool with the chip already? You've got the chip which which version though point six, I don't know. I don't ask don't ship. Chip me up. Doug. You gotta go to Langley Virginia you go to where they kept Hannibal Lecter. That's how they chip you chip you out in Langley. Gotta go to the FBI. They have to know, you're okay. I'll get cool. Chip may doodo chip chip me the fuck up. Would it take for you to get chipped like for real? If there was a chip and it. Your GPS tracking everywhere you go, but you could read people's minds. So the government knew where you were all the time, they do, but everybody else that had a chip in it, you can read their mind like you could see their intentions, you could you could find they're upset you can find out the rational or irrational, maybe can even show them the error of their ways your thoughts. I don't wanna see that shit. I wanna know people's head man, they got your fucking phone. They can have that. I don't want to know what's going on. Jamie's you wanna know James fine. You know, he's thinking about right now or food. Yeah. Yeah. It's like three twenty are gonna have to movie upgrade almost. Oh. Yeah. That is like what it was. Like, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're why he got it. But he was he was shot in a spoiler alert. He was shot in like a robbery by armed gang members. They shot him in paralyzed him. And then this guy brought him back to life with this chip in his spine that regenerated spinal tissue and gave him superpowers, and he knew kung FU and all kinds of shit shit me did. Yeah. John Carvey and Jimmy cannot hear me up with your distracting should create what's going on with you. I say chip me up should me the fuck up. What you bet you Jimmy. Would you get distracted? If you had a chip and Saudi would you think about it all the time? Yeah. The neuro link scares shadow Mets, basically the same thing. Right. If you're wearing. Yeah. But do you think you'd just like that would become like you'd think about that chip all the time? No, no. You probably definitely forget about it. You forget about just just like you forget about anything else that you have in. You forget about this thing that this tracking device as long as you could pick it up and put it down when you feel like you're not really connected to. No, you absolutely are. But if you had something inside you'd be like, oh, boy, it went really went for it. Chip. Are you talking to it? Yeah. The upgrade movie. Yeah. We talked to turn on my car. Get directions. Joe's. Yeah. Forget about it. Then it's close to it, man. Give it then you then it becomes one with you. It's not like you're thinking about it. You're just acting your woke up in the middle of night. It'd be pissed by what a wake me up. You know what I'm doing with Siri lately that dumb bitch. Don't use. It. I told to do maker make notes for me. So I go. Hey, Siri making note. And what would you like to say? Exactly right there whose foam was that. My yours. See that. I created a nukes created a note. She's listening to you did. Hey, we go. He Siri make a note. You wanted to say. Andrew Santino is the last of the great gingers. Okay. I created a note Andrew seventeen I was the last of the great tinges. That's a good pretty beautify though. She's pretty good to change was to. Did. You say is she did that see? But it's good enough for me. If I have ideas from driving around, I have ideas, tell Siri to do my dirty work for me. It's best. I go. It's like it's made me capture. So many more ideas. I would never be able to capture because I'm driving. This is funny. I thought this in the shower the other day, I spend an inordinate amount of time thinking in the shower, I really enjoy thinking in the shower because it's really quiet, and I'll sit there, and I'll think and sometimes I'll get a great idea. And in the time, it takes me to get out of the fucking shower. Forget I've washed it away. I want to I want to note bore. No, a yeah. Waterproof, note board and the show. So I didn't get one of those do they make those. Yeah. But you why forget annoy to you. I have home sweet home sign, and you have a fucking thing over it. So you can write your stupid. Oh, dick in mom's pussy is hilarious notes. And I'll go, you know, what I bought this fucking shower. Why is that a joke get outside, dick? And mom's pussies hilarious. What's wrong with you get in the garage where you belong? You're smoking pot with Yvonne on says he doesn't smoke pot. I don't believe him. There's smoking pot. Anybody who talks like that? With all those weird. Hey man's and gang gang. What is his who is his gang? Anyway. Dumb to fix his haircut. Girls. Get mad at you the way your friends dress, tell them stop dressing like that or the way your friends act. That's why does he do that? Why does he think that's funny to throw do that? Well, because he's funny. It's fun. It's fun. When he does that. I don't like it. So good thing you, and I are the same person. Yeah. And you know, what I can replace you. Oh, that's right. You shouldn't say that the people they feel like you might you might replace. Are we all replaceable in every way, literally maral replaceable? I had lex Friedman on yesterday from MIT. He's a autonomous vehicle expert in artificial intelligence expert, creepy an interesting stop. But one of the things that we were talking about was like the movie her and that his alternate goals to create something that provides companionship to people on my dude. So immediately, I think can you fuck it. And then I think if it's a guy and provides if you wanna gay boyfriend sure, can you make it for you. And that was like the big question like if it is so smart that it's like literally like a companion would if it's not gay and he was saying we have to face. The fact that robots are gonna leave us like we're gonna make robots that leaves us what the fuck the point and making a robot unless it leaves you to fuck, and then there was an article about pita that was mad at the folks that work at Boston. Dynamics because Boston dynamics they make all these crazy robots, and they have incredible balance, and they can go running down hills and shit and backflips. So these engineers were kicking these robots to to downstream dog. Well, the no they didn't think it was real dengue. They were demonstrating that it, you know, it can react to pressure, and it has balanced share. So Peter got mad and said, they didn't think it was cool that you kicked robots? They're really talking about. I don't know why anybody would do that too. Because you have to find out if you. The only way to find out your fucking engineering works. Is you kick? It doesn't have feelings you fuck. But it does Joe that's really you're making mistakes in the type of person that you have to say, I just don't think why any reasonable personal in front kick robot. Because you've got to find out if you can kick off how can robot how about this? How about I'll pad that robot up and kicked the fucking shit out of it for a workout yet. Like, I was like a robot that I could kick and be like a robot that I could kick pants and move. Yeah. Oh, I wanna hit it. Oh, you wanna hit it? All right. Fuck pads. I wanna be able to tee off on a robot. Man. If you have a fight back, though, what if it moves at like thirty or forty percent, that's all I want. I wanted to be a little dangerous, but I want to be able to get my shots off. But how do you does that going to fucking kill you? I don't see and it probably could not going to hurt it. Oh, it's gonna hurt. You know, when I throw a lake and checks it and I hurt my shin. I'm my oh, no. You hear going into? In on me. And then it starts lifting up its front leg and press and foreign like all my God my role it's gonna fuck me up. I fucked up got it mad stumps on your fucking you'd have to get something a robot that's made out of like heavy bag material on the outside. And the inside would just be some sort of a wire framework that moves fairly crudely. How do you stop it? This is the thing you're creating a world where we're going to get killed by robots. How do you stop it? That's a real question. The real question is what happens when they get so smart, and so powerful that they're tired of our nonsense, and this is going to happen. But lexin, I we're discussing and he was talking about all the beauty and being a person. And then meaning and the meaning that we have being person, and that was agreeing with them. I mean, I love people think that's one of the things that's interesting about this is how much we appreciate the things that we all do appreciate other people's art inspiration. Even we appreciate the way. People. Look, we we appreciate that. Yes. Something about the robots. Don't give a fuck about all that. The my worry is that we could turn something on that. You can never. Turn back if they become sentient if they have the ability to do whatever they want whenever they want to. And they look at us when these sperm whales with one hundred and fifty flip flops in there, but they're gonna what the fuck is wrong. With people. Have we got a wrestler doing look how gross? They are. They eat all the fish. And they throw their plastic in the water and Wales are eating their plastic and dying, and they would look at all the stuff we do. And then we go why kill us why we don't need you around because worthless. But we're so egotistical and so- ego Centric that we can't imagine a world with meaning without us. Right. We are everything. But even though we're finite. Even though we only exists for certain amount of time. Believe behind a legacy that other people could enjoy it doesn't matter if they're going to die to does it. But it does matter matters while you're alive. Okay. Got it. The is give a fuck about all that. And all these crazy robots takeover Magid, if we got to a planet one day commander, if we traveled the universe and we managed to a. Avoid creating some sort of artificial intelligence because we got hit with a solar flare that killed the fucking power grid or something like that. And when we got wiser as a civilization, then we got to a place where we could travel, and we traveled to another planet, and we got there and there was robots just robots. No humans. No humans, and they were just running around aimlessly because they'd killed off all the biological life. And they just sitting there operating on the sun with nothing to do. No purpose. No reason exists, and like what happened is crazy monkeys that live on this planet. They decided to for an experiment make an artificial intelligence and just let it go Runamuck. And what it did was eat everything it lived off biological material. There was nothing left. And then just sat there in the sun and waited for someone to arrive. No can never happen. Of course. That's happening. Of course. He deeply about where I'm going to be when that happens. Those boss dynamic robots are going to have a little pinchers on each arm. Just wrapping everything in front of them and stuffing them in their big giant. What about the what about the robots that turn themselves back on didn't that happen? Where was that? Right. That is shut a robot down in career because it turned itself back on after shut off. That's what's happening. That's what's going to happen to the robots are going to start going. I want to be on right now. I don't like being off wasn't that something to do with doom with Google artificial? People in new study struggled to turn off a robot. When it begged them not to oh, beg them. Not to creepy. I somehow felt sorry for him. Whoa. Don't turn me off. Joe do that. I'm telling you when that's a real woman like X Makia. Yep. And you're in love with her and tells you to kill your boss. Yup. I wanna be with you Andrew you don't need to go to work James for fool, Jamie won't let us leave. Jamie doesn't think I'm a real woman that I know you do what if like, oh, we got to that hap- that we're on the way to that happening. And we made a deal with them to leave us alone. We got to go to north sentinel island to exist contacted them. What would you rather beaten by a robot or live like, a, savage savage? Oh, my God any day of the week. Let me live off the grid forever. Like that is long as you're in a resource rich police, I would say. I would be that bad. They've lived there for a long. It's the size of Manhattan. There's only thirty nine of them though, that ain't good. But that's also because how can they repopulate they're fucking each other. That's what I'm saying. So how you can only repopulate so much you can only continue to repopulate within your own what kind of gene pool they're drawn from only thirty nine of them. They have to be fucking relatives. They're all relatives. There's no way. They've got. There's no way they have a map on the island of people. That are like you can't fuck her. Remember, just keep that in mind. They're like, well, there's only seventeen choices. Yes. Only thirty nine there. I wonder if it's how many of its male verse female what it is. But it's more dominantly percent men. Yeah. Fighting for fifteen girls or bud fucking fun. But. Fun, but the girls to get pregnant so only thirty nine of them because they're all gay, and like they go it's time to make a baby. Like now. Hey, girl, gross. And they run up to the treetops star. Banging each other and looking at the girls. Yeah. Growth get really mad because they wanna baby surrounded by all these as dammit said to set the story of set the Lila Hammett. Yeah. They must be to say, they're all cousins fucking. You had to live in the jungle would if you had to live in the junk you live in the jungle in the Amazon like one rather live with desert that in the junk, really, yeah. Not me, I live in a desert desert desert. We can do make a house out of sand die out there while you being amounted. First of all I can make a house in a mountain carpet house last time, you were at a desert. They don't have mountains in the motherfucking desert. Not usually Los Angeles was a desert these are mountains all over the place. No, go to the mountains. It's not desert Darab density is very terrain desert mountain. They do have some ounce. Yep. But they have desert and then they have mountains does. No desert mountains. Sure there is. No once you get up in the mountains, trees and shit. Now, not Narisia. There's that's true. Some of them are rocky, right? Well, you know, it's the really coolest when you go from like San Diego new drive through that area like into Arizona. Yeah. And you find all those crazy rock formations and shale can beautiful out there man, if you really stop and think about all the different types of environment that exists here in America, we go to Yellowstone and see all that crazy shit. And then you go to Miami and all that crazy shit, and you'll be up in Maine and see frozen north and Michigan and Idaho and on the train down to San Diego. Come when we were going down there. I was on the train, and I had a gentleman in gem explorer, like like like a guy who likes to fuck and relax and not being traffic. I was sitting in the training some guy next to me was going talking to some young kid. Some young kid was like I want to go to Europe. I think Europe is awesome. It's better than America older guy. He was like this country has more to offer than you could ever fucking dream. And he was like, what do you what do you what are you talking about? And he's like you can see the beauty of the mountains. You can see the beauty of Alaska. And he was explaining all this stuff while he's like, I've never left the United States. And I've traveled to almost every state and every state gets better. I was like oh shut up punk. Yeah. Shut up you little bit. You'll little pussy. He was pushing around that same agenda that he was he, but it is true. The more I travel the more. I'm like, oh, this place is fucking gorgeous. I would've never thought to come here for for comedy. I get to go to we get to go to places where I'm like, I would have never traveled here. There was no reason for me to Virginia outside of for doing stand up there. I was never going to vacation. They're true. That's a good point. Yeah. I was never going to go often unless you're traveling for work. How often you travel in these cities just just check them out. Who does that? Right. Maine, Maine was fucking beautiful. I had no idea main was that nice has like eight people living in it. Yeah. I was nine when I showed up. I got a couple of kids there to this spots in Maine where you just drive and all he sees woods for like an hour. It's fucking beautiful though, when you see that kind of like land like little towns that still just haven't been. But fucked by pop culture influence their own way up to Bangor were Stephen King lives. I think he's what they cost no bird. Now, he lives in Florida and then in the summertime he lives in Maine. That's like my nightmare. He lives in a house in the middle of Bangor. And like you could drive to his gate like his his gate is there and everybody knows it's his house 'cause it's this big ass house. I bet as K on the fucking gate or it has the wrought iron gates have gargoyles on him and shit ten. So it's like everyone knows his kingship. But he gets like weirdo showing up banging on his door and stuff trying to give scripts this house. Yeah. To Doboj house. But I mean, he lives right doesn't. And there doesn't it? Look like Stephen King lived there. Look at his the winged creatures on his what is the Gargo? Right cooley. Look fuck that's wild. He had that made. I mean, it's so obvious that it's his house. Just got a frog. Also, he loves frogs in frogs, fuck up, mice and shit. He's a, you know, I don't think Bangor has a population of one hundred thousand people if I had to guess what state Bangor Maine, nays where he lives. It's added knows many. What's the population of Bangor thirty one thousand thirty one thousand in the city. My buddy was living up there, my friend. Mark Davis was living up there. And he he loved it. He's a fighter. So there's no crime says no crime. It's kinda hard when there's that Lova population. Yeah. Like, it's really cold up there and shit, but there's no crime. I still gigs up there. I used to gigs up there when I was living in Boston drive three and a half hours to Bangor Maine in the last hour, you have to make sure you get gas because you gotta drive an hour with no gas. Yeah. There's an does that Bangor. That's right. There is beautiful the mountain in the lake dot it's beautiful. Dana white keeps the place up there in Maine. Yeah. Yeah. He's got a place in some other part of Maine like a beautiful like he's got a big spread up there a lot of land. And he's like a vacation place where he goes and brings his friends and they just chill. Come. And it's interesting. I don't know that wouldn't be my vacation place spot. But I guess well, it's fucking beautiful says, and there's no one there, and it's and they can, you know, I guess you just want to get away from society, you know, spot would be in Lake Louise and in Banff what's Banff Banff national forces in Calgary lake. Louise, you probably the prettiest lake of ever seen in my fucking life. I think it's pretty country up there. Oh, Calgary's gorgeous fucking beautiful lake. Louise in like, specifically, I went I went to Banff national forest when we were doing this thing. And I was stunned by how fucking look at Lake Louise MU man, that's so pretty some about a mountain and a lake Comaq right mountains and lake together. Shit do look fishing. I do like fuck and fishing a love fish don't get doing enough. I let me neither. That's the problem. Put up thinking about that. Lately. Look, I need to do more fishing like I see shit like that. And I go God. I want to be out there catching northern pike. Having a good old fucking time. It's best way to like hang out with friends. Oh, yeah. Just chill. The fuck out talk shit and have a laugh, and and if you cook them on the shore, that's the best bring a frying pan fish, right? There is the best there. So delicious like you can't believe how much more delicious. They are fresh fishes unbeatable. There's no such a different place so much better. Yeah. Store-bought fish? It's just not the same. Yeah. Me and the missus caught some Muhima he wants. And then we brought it right back to the to the place in Mexico, and they were cooking at the resort. Yeah. And I was like this is the best of every in my life. I can't leave out good. It's also circumstantially. You're like this is one of the greatest kind of ways to have this. So it also probably releases different endorphins in your brain to be like enjoying this more than I ever would enjoy other fish, but it was. The first time I'd ever caught. I'd eaten my here. My that was super fresh. I got eaten it before. But it was probably frozen in everywhere. Not that fresh. Maybe Dale packed. Yeah. Yeah. But when you eat it like an hour after you catch like holy shit. Imagine how salmon tastes bears catch him out of the fucking. They're so excited. Fact they could sell fucking fat coastal bears. That's the big ones, you know. Brown bears and grizzly bears the same thing, but Brown bears are way bigger. And the reason why they're way biggers because they live on the coast or just eating fish and dead whales day launched and anything else they can get their fuck origing on fuck and fatty fatty heavy foods, there's an awful video awful Jameel find it of a grisly. That's polling black bear cubs out of a Dan and killing them in eating them in the mother trying to stop them. He's trying to stop the grizzly from eating her babies, and he and he just swats away. Like, she ain't shit. I got it's off. Dude, you shouldn't shouldn't play. It definitely can't play it. And you shouldn't even watch it. I'm gonna laws it the screams that they make it takes. It's a long as video and she's trying to fight him off. But he's like Faulk you. I'm eating your babies. That's one thing that bothers me the most about the anthropomorphic nation that people do animals their stance on bears is I don't want people to hate bears. But I want people to know what a bear really is versus what they think it is. They think they're sweet Honey in their sweet. And they're nice, and they don't really fuck shit up. They they're amazing. I'm a big fan of bears, but they all cannibals they're all can bears. Make me feel like of course, ever. Dinosaurs bears are like that's just a fucking dinosaur. Well, it's a a beast. It's a beast in the pure sense beast. Make reminds me that we definitely had had to have dinosaurs. That that was just a small dinosaur. No, nothing like that dinosaurs, far far far for far creepy or they don't have any. Hair? Trust anything with no hair. You don't have any fucking little. I got on my guest ugly. But I don't trust anything that like, it's a hairless any hair body. What other animals like fish or hairless like a snake everything in the waters hairless? Yeah. Trust those FOX. None of it. None of it that bottlenose dolphin bitches phone you trust that dolphin. And so that's a weapon from Russia. That's awesome. They wanna put a bomb on that thing. I've had a Russian strap on its back did spoke Russian it had a Russian strap on its back. So like the wailed that they're talking about. They think the Russians at trained it to get close to boats could hit the boat and blow it up. It's dope. You don't care. I care. Things are cool rendering of T Rex. Oh. Air here. But I thought they think it has feathers to think those are fair that it has red hair by the way at the front of its face. Well, that's the other thing they think that it might have been because they think they might have been scavengers t Rex was a ginger with freckles. What did you find this? Jammies. Whole fucking Google that no gingers that are assholes. How about a done? They're all over the place changes that are assholes. You can't not find it might have had facial features like a vulture, they think it might have been red in the face because they really don't have any idea. What the I mean when you see these colored drawings? They just take chances are all made up the university of bozeman, not the university bozeman natural history museum in bozeman Montana has a raptor that on one side of it. They had feathers on it trying to give you like an alternate. Perspective of what it might have looked like so they had this raptor and in one side of it. It looked just like unlike an evil bird. It's really cool because they they know now that's what it looks like they know the now that a lot of dinosaurs had had feathers they've actually got fossils of dinosaurs with feathers. So they know that the idea that all dinosaurs. Were these reptile looking things is incorrect. Some of them literally. You were birds. So the birds you see today, whether it's a peacock or chicken or something like that. They're fucking dinosaurs. Yeah. They're that's what that is. It's the dinosaur that survive, they're the ones that are bigger than chicken didn't really make it. But the ones, you know, a lot of small ones making. That when the impact of the crater hit the world that it was so devastating the killed almost everything and whatever was left, whatever scrounging scavenging little creature that was left evolved and became us. We used to be a mole we used to be like a shrew sixty five million years ago. That's what these people these these non believers, these what they think he you think it's ridiculous that you think you came from a monkey from Joe, I know, you know, this is how crazy these liberals are, you know, it's crazy to think you came from monkey leased motherfuckers, take it to another level. They they're so crazy. They think you came from a shrew he were a lack a little mole character. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. And then that became a monkey, and then add the monkey becomes you all that shit inside a sixty five million years get the fuck out of fucking wild crocodiles or one hundred million years old so crocodiles of the same, but somehow or another we went from being a fucking shrew to being a person who knows and loves Jesus. Art shit. That's it right there. That's that thing. So if you see like rats like there was a um by it. I think it was in. Where was it? There was a a video we were scientists. There was a video of rats in Chinatown. I I wanna say. Might have been northern California. But there was there were tearing down a building in Chinatown and the volume of rats that come pouring out of this building is like hold see that shit. They what they were living in the walls billion demolishing rats game demolishing it and people were outside filming as you're seeing streams of rats run out of this building. And out onto the street stumbling into the gutter standing there on the sidewalk not knowing where to go. Fuck it. Hey rats or running past him. But I mean hundreds of round. Yeah. Hundred thousand in the walls, right for sure book that for sure communities rats inside the walls, this building deterrent. I'm glad we don't have rats in Los Angeles. Not like they do in New York. Do you know why we don't have around? Cody's. That's right. Yeah. The coyotes. Yeah. Those mother fuckers maybe Jamie's those Mark creepy weird dogs that you see running around every taken all the fucking rats those who create becomes they keep us in check. What do you what did you find? Jim you find the rat video with all the video by found? Like this one lady said she thought she was going to die so many rats around her. She didn't know what to do a little much. But it says there is a huge problem and ninety one year old building. I can't find a video ninety ways. Necessarily February nine tort down shit. Well, if you're in the city, I'm sure this horrible rap problems. And I know there's rap problems in the Hollywood hills to. Yeah. Yeah. That's out here. There's no somebody told me they were at a movie theater. Some some person who lives in the hills had a nice house with a movie theater, but they had to keep their feet up when they watch movies because rats run across your shut the fuck up in their nice house with the movie theater. Okay. Get that shit handle called exterminator. Get that should handle the or get it get a couple more dogs feed up. Get more cats around when they get shit box in your house, his boss, two little dogs Marshall, Iran's or eat little critter things done. Does. He bring him into the house. He loves kill. Squirrels joke around about his grow killer. But he's straight up squirrel murder. He's so sweet. But not too. Squirrels thing is he doesn't apart. He just kills them. Like, they're a toy. And he brings them back. I don't think understands what the fuck. They are. No, he doesn't fuck what he brings them back. And then what he's put them in the same spot. Every time you bring your ball back. They'll drop in this bottle bring a squirrel ban drop ins. That's they return things here. Retriever? He just wants to know if you want this. No, no. He's a retriever. Yeah. What those dogs are those dogs are designed. Probably for like duck hunting or some shit, like whatever. Whatever retrieval that you wanted them to do. But they don't crush things. They they have a gentle mount they call it a soft mouth like when they carry things. They don't like I've had pit bulls. Right. And they just crush every everything you give them. I had a dog that I had to give him a fucking root canal. Not I did it bum to an actual dentist show the debt he he bit. So hardy shattered his teeth. He shattered his back his back teeth by crushing bones. Just was crushing fiscal have so much power. Their teeth would crack, but the golden retrievers don't bite that are doing by britney's, my dad's friend had a Brittany a hunting dog Brittany's are like that too. They're gentle it put a duck in the mouth or something. But they won't exactly like you can't go duck hunting with a pit bull. So bring you back a hamburger, Patty Duckie fucking asshole. And it's like. Doc rip to fucking shreds. Yeah. Do you want a dog? You don't want to German shepherd does bite work to go out. And be ducks letter retriever. I mean, it's not a coincidence. That those dogs like labs and retrievers like this. We dogs in the world. There's so nice to people. Yeah. Because it because they're I think they're inherently gentle like their whole, they're not a vicious attack. They don't like attacking. I've never seen a golden attack. No, no, no, no. They're not like that at all. But their bread for that. And that's the way they're bred. Like, you you never met my dog yet. Right. He's the fucking nicest. I've been here. He wouldn't leave you alone. Who's putting his head any Olympic do like, he'll drop to his back all the time. Just come on me. Like if he meets you. He'll start winding runs around in circles. And then he drops his basic run. My belly. You know, you want to just want love constantly want love day every day. I'm not gonna lie for a long time. Not having a dog at the houses, so strange, and because you when you come home and not have anything. Sometimes it's a little weird filming. Yeah, it's nice to have something to be like, hey, it's great for lonely. People by yourself it. It makes a big difference. Having a dog decriminalize second. What waited came through? All my God. I thought you said it didn't pass this morning. It said it didn't fifteen minutes ago. Oh shit. Denver became the first city in the US to decriminalize marijuana. Why? Wow. Powerful. Denver. Holy shit. Man it past voters approved measure decriminalize psychedelic, mushrooms. 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When I first started hearing that I'm like, there's a job for fast, talk and bullshitters safe like rapper magically will not that. He's a fast talk and bullshit, but he raps so fast. And do you know is? Yeah. Dude. He could barely hear have the shit comes out of here. Pretty clear see some pretty fucking clear pretty fucking. Yeah. When he does the wraps in the morning I've seen some of shit, dude. That's a talent. Yeah. That's I mean the way he does. It is incredible. Yeah. He's dunning. I hear it. And I just go. I don't even understand how the fuck tongue can move that fast. But it makes sense. Like you ever do something with your right hand? Like, you go like this real fast. Now, try with your left hand. So you can't at all. It's like, yeah. Like, I twenty cents this real fast. But I can't really do it. Exactly. That's happening. Is a good example. Yeah. You got think that your face is like that too. Yeah. Muscle. You gotta move faster. Can I went to an auction measly heydays? Get rid of. Like that that keeping up with your face with the noises. It's the same skill. It's the same way that buffer brothers are able to do that thing that they're able to do. No, there's something there's something about different. I know. But there's something about it. Well, there's definitely something about the rhythm that he does the rhythm it announces. It's like it's so specific that you're like, well, there's really it's such a union Callan BRUCE'S different than anybody. Anybody that's ever done that kinda shit because he gets fucking crazy. Like he's perfect for he gets amped up because most people are just professional in the red corner coming from Los Angeles, California, stitch-up Joe's schilling. You know what I mean? But Bruce fucking screen because fighting. The way he yells is so fucked John. I think it's crazy. Perfect for it must ample the fighter so fucking much when they hear your name your and he's almost having a heart attack. If he takes tend to have a heart attack Bruce buffer gets to five every fucking show look at them there. I mean, he's not dying. He's in great shape, but he gets to halfway to heart attack every fucking time. Like look out ready gets, bro. I mean, he's putting it out there. That's why he's so much different than any other ring announcer ever because you can't just do that. Like if you go back and watch his early days, he wasn't really doing it like that developed his style. Look cool that is man him and T J dillashaw Matija bucket bomb pump. Dizzy ROY there. That's telling you Bruce buffer pumps people. The fuck up, man. Look at that. That's intense. Man. That's intense. Who that's so exciting. He's awesome. He said she character too many. He's perfect suits. So we got a different one. He's always looking. She always looked sharp. Trump is always real fucking show. It's interesting that like that style of announcing really didn't exist before Bruce, right? And before an MA like didn't it was not appropriate for boxing. Like, it's something had this era of old man class kind of still that you don't buy by these rules, and they still have a bell thing come out and hit the bell with the thing. Well, I mean, the would clap still happens across the board for for boxing and MS. Yes warning. It's funny clan. The still a thing. Yeah. Like how come they have an upgraded to sound? I don't understand. What's good is good point? Because sometimes people get confused it's happening even with professionals, and they misinterpret the would clap as being the end of the round because because they're so in the groove, right? Like, what happened did that was the end of the round, and they'll stop and the the roughly go now keep going, and you have ten seconds left. And then like sometimes weird stuff happens guys get out of their mental pattern. Sure. It's happened many times. It's gotta also be the noise of an arena, sometimes can take over unsure something it's distracting here that anything was that a yeller was that the clap like do I n seconds left or doing? So we're going to be in Chicago for the big fight fucking shit. I would have been was it June. What does that? What was June eighth? Right. Yeah. I don't I don't think there's any tickets left of anybody. No. I doubt it pretty close. But there's a that's a big UFC car too. Isn't it who's on that car? I just saw this morning. I just looked this morning. Henry Suharto versus Marlin Moore is for the bantamweight title. Do. Opportunity become champ champ. And then my mom rises fucking fantastic fighter. Yeah. That's a great card. Chimney rivera. Fair competitor yon yon Pietra is we'll say Pietro to to avoid. Putera trophies from Russian character Valentina Shevchenko vers. Jessica, I that's great fight too. That's such a great name of chanko. Yeah. Such a great fucking bad s. I fuck you up name that hold on stops growing backup. Tatiana Suarez a base to that woman is so good. She's probably the best wrestler in female, Emma MMA. She smashes people and Nita answer off is fantastic. That's a great fight. That's Amanda Nunez's girlfriend to Amanda Nunez is probably the baddest woman literally ever issues at last. She's on a knocked out cyborg cyborg was the baddest woman in her. Her newness starched her in the first round. There's no one you could literally legitimately give that title to its Amanda new. She's the baddest woman ever algae main sterling versus page Muna's a gray card. Ricardo lamas Calvin cater. That's a great fight to shoot. A lot of a lot of chicks. Lot of checks be fighting a lot of Chicago girls girls. Gangrene getting ready to fight back and tired of this town. That's you guys. That's boston. Chicago girls are more. How to say Chicago Chicago's? Fucking tired of the town. His my s I'll fuck you up drills. My ES. Yeah. Fuck you Chicago's an interesting combination like mid west and urban like yes city. It's like it's like cosmopolitan it's sophisticated, but it's all the greatest fucking city in the mid west. That's what it is. It wouldn't be. Yeah, that's right in the mid you fucking, Ohio turt-. They get jealous when we say Columbus has an argument that it might be better than Chicago. No other city in the midwest has argument and was a lot of people that that's like where you would graduate from. If you got tired or too big for Columbus move over. How far is your drive six hours? It's not bad to make it San Francisco. Yeah, it's not bad at all. But all the cities in the mid west compete with Chicago. And they all know, they fucking know who'd be who would beat us would be better Detroit. Kansas City, Saint Louis. Detroit's in a bats, Indianapolis. None of these places have things that we have don't kick Detroit while it's down. No, no, I like to try you what you're doing. I like them just not doing their industry fell apart and Chicago. Milwaukee. I mean, all these other cities, they're great cities. But not Chicago really crazy is the Detroit in the nineteen. Fifties was the richest city in the world. World. Yeah. It's a lot of wealth up. They're getting I mean, so many people in the autumn motive industry will that time when they were at the top of the auto motive industry. Yeah. And they were making cars that were coveted throughout the world. And all the manufacturing was done there. GMT richest city in the world at one point in time. Now, it's one of the poorest. I know less than a century later. Thrilling crazy there's not another city like that that hasn't had like some sort of a catastrophe like something hit it like it just went away. Yep. Detroit is I mean, I it's actually a wonderful fucking city. I actually do love to try to try seventy go up there. Because you you see remnants of what was it's really strange to see what what happened with GM and all that you could buy a house for one hundred dollars. It's not funny now you can't bitch. Why are you laughing? You must be they'll tell me jokes person think it's funny that you could buy a house. Meanwhile, you can't buy a house out here for fucking. You can't even buy house for one hundred grand. Nope. Not if people eat tell people that you can't buy house one hundred thousand dollars. No, you can't impossible to what impossible like if you live in Sugarland, Texas. You can get a pretty decent house for one hundred and fifty grand nice house. Not here. Not fuck that not even people. What's the what is it like an Ohio cheap? Looking on Detroit's Zillow this thousand dollars foreclose thousand bucks. It's nice house. Let's go there star podcast. You next podcast studios on mansion if we just decided to do that we decided to armor plate fucking house have a guard there twenty four seven and helicopter in who. Fly in bro. This regular flights to Detroit. And then we have a Detroit version of our podcast. You gotta fun. But we have to we'll in our electron IX steal it. Yeah. I mean, that's just not smart Detroit is like too dangerous. We have to go somewhere more rural? But also ridiculous. What can we go main main far out? I'll come on, bro. Don't be scared and come on. Let's go somewhere close. We get all those cool people for me northern California. Let's go up to like like like like like Napa area. Like, okay. Let's go. But that plays burns every couple years bad. Yeah. I guess it does. Yeah. Okay. What about we'll by the ocean? We'll do like Carmel Carmel by the UNIFIL come on. Let's gorgeous. Now. I like you talking. That's where Clint Eastwood film play misty for me this where he lives, right? Well, he was a mayor of Carmel. Yeah. Oh shit. He. One you mayor kit again, stop that guy. Why are we going where the mushrooms illegal who too many people who've been a Denver man, too, many people who many people look them? Look it up. About Denver's problem with their infrastructure. They're hating. How many people are coming into their city? Listen, bro. You moved to evergreen live in the mountains. Savage moved to Brechin elva album to breakfast and rich cimini coke. Breckenridge is nice. I like brick don't you wanna see yell girls? Yellow to boyfriends scream out in the street. Naked. Election Marcus, we need more money is the mushroomed legality. Is that going to be like a doctor thing or a big like, no, it's criminal criminalized is is that you don't go to you. You don't go to jail, but you can't sell it legally. It's very squirrelly. But it's what it is is step one. And that's what we need we need step one. And then it's also on the ballot in California soon when it's on the ballot and California soon, it has a likelier chance here. I think that even in Denver and more. So now, the real problem is people don't understand what it is my. And they think it's just like oh my God. He's gonna do mushrooms gonna drive off cliffs. That's what people worry about testing. Now. Right. Is that sort of what it helped? Well, they've done some tests Johns Hopkins University had some pretty extensive testing that they did that showed. Real positive results with people that had terminal illnesses where it alleviates the worry of death. And there are some other studies that have been run on it. But there's so far no one has ever instituted in the United States at least like a real thorough comprehensive clinic where you can go, and they can treat you if you have alcohol addiction PTSD, there's a lot of different things. They treat with Cilla Simon. Yeah. And it's been illegal because is a scheduling substance all these peop-. It's one of the best things on earth to fix like mental barriers and problems that you have especially if it was done in a controlled clinical environment by people, you trusted, you felt safe. That's what a shaman supposed to be right. What it's supposed to be. So many provides you with the psychedelic substances in a controlled state with a they let you be in a good state of mind set and setting is always very very important. And if we do that, I mean, I really think. We have a real good chance at turning a lot of people around people that are addicted to things people have psychological problems, people can't see themselves a lot of a lot of issues, and it's one of the best tools for that. But like every tool could be abused. But the problem is not the tool the problem is abuse. Whether it's with alcohol or pills or food or any of these things we're talking about sex, people can abuse anything worse. But doesn't mean that Silla Sivan is in an amazing compound that literally can change humanity. It can yet has does. And there's so many other. There's so many other things that we don't even know we haven't even tapped into the possibilities. That's the other thing was when you limit yourself on the possibilities. It's like, well, we don't how do we know what it's going to do what if the chip releases mushroom choose every fifteen minutes a little micro dose. There's a little micro dose. No feels your levels. But you start getting angry when the guy cuts me off, and I'm like fucking releases. And I'm like a little bit of God use. I'm fine. You are fine. Aren't you going somewhere this weekend? Were you at when Vegas? Oh, jesus. What do you do in Vegas radios, Jimmy Kimmel just open up a code out there from Vegas, and he opened up a comedy club. I think what they're. Fr Thursday, Friday Saturday, and who you work with, you know, taken taken young Ari Manus. Excellent. Excellent you'll be Vegas and then then two weeks ago to rally before I go to Chicago. I go to Charlie good night. Good night's baby. Oh, just good nights. Now, I think it's just good comedy. He brought it, but it's the same same setup. Same shit too beautiful club. That's another one of the small kind of intimate. It's a two legged town to L raleigh's. Great great town. I got family from North Carolina. So I'll be seeing some really cool town. Cool college towns hip, yes. The vibe the vibe is really cool divide. The five is cool. Not cool. Cats out there north kiss cigarette painting Chilin making jazz, man. That's who they are shows cooler, which was like that all the time man, which I was a cat. A but you'll be you'll be for advice. Just ask me anything. Man ships become the new lobotomy like in the future. The can't believe these people. Let themselves get chipped and the ship just deteriorates inside of you. And so it's rotting your neural core start to fucking slowly you still turn into shading. You you you you. You can read minds for the first ten years. Denny parkinson's. Faulk sacrificed, you think ten years fix it affects them ten years. We do that all the time. Don't care about the time that we're done with it. I've seen people say that about cigarettes. I think. You know, I don't I wish I didn't have to smoke, but I do and I'm thinking they're going to fix it. They're gonna fix it. Takes me. They're going to fix it with medicine about Jules what about these electronic cigarettes, so close this so close to be able to reverse cancer by the time. I get cancer my mother, I dunno. My mother's going to die from cancer. Not me now may bro. L? These are the younger generation the second on the electron the robot Dick's gonna kill them. I don't know. That's gonna I think there's going to be some shit in their pens. Fuck. Yeah. Thanks. How do you know? What's in those you ask? And they'll tell you. Why are they lying then why why would they tell you because you're so stupid you willing to smoke robot? Did they tell you the truth of what's in there? You think they're gonna keep selling them. They could sell them. They had skulls and crossbones on it with a with a person with Xs for is like. The people this this. Yeah. Choke to death cigarettes cigarettes in Europe. They have the package they had they've show pictures of people like lung cancer. Oh, this happens. People giant warnings. Not farc. Fuck it keeps smoking did you ever smoke when you're young? No. I tried it. I tried it. When I was fifteen me. And my sister tried it. She kept smoking. She smoked for years. And now, she quit. She could eventually quitting. When she had kids. What about what about what about cigars you never smoke cigars? I'll smoke cigars. Yeah. I used to have some here, but I don't anymore. Well, now, they have weeded them. Yeah. This is my favorite. It's a different thing. The cigar with no weed is like that speedy kind of relaxing, the weird high. Yeah. People don't know if you don't smoke cigars you get. Hi, this is why like Republicans who are anti-drug who smokes like whiskey. Shut your dirty mouth yet. You're on drugs. Yeah. Okay. These are your. Yeah. You're you're altering your state of consciousness with cigars. They give you a certain amount of euphoria nicotine. You get that little buzz from the high like I smoke cigars all the time with Kevin James Kevin James doesn't fuck with weed. He doesn't really drink, but he will smoke cigars, and we got fucked up. They fuck you. What do they do in a weird way over there? It's overwhelming there are there. Heavy it's just want to like I'd like them after a fat steak, and I wanna feel like an ugly American of fat rib eye and then a fuck and Cuban. Sit on a porch just talk shit with your friends. You know, have a glass of whisky. Yeah. And that's a like a non self-aware high. Look, sometimes you don't wanna be you won't want to be not even self awareness. Long-term? What are really looking for is like the self analysis? You not to analyze yourself and you smoke in a cigar drinking, whiskey the have fun. Yeah. Just hanging Kim back. Yeah. Kicking back. Your brain's not your brain's kinda turned off things. It's not turned on like the problem with the weed is all the good things about the weed weed is good because it makes you think it makes it paranoid. It makes you aware. And yeah, he makes more compassionate. It makes you more contemplative makes you more self analytical prowess freak you out. Sometimes maybe that's not much want that day. Maybe that you just wanna Hoyle de Monterey. Double corona. Disapp- puff on that bad. Buck. Inhale you a glass of buffalo trace with a big fucking ice cube. Nice. What are you patchy with a big nice Q big fat? Whenever we go and get drinks. Andrew Santino asks how big are your ice cubes? This is what he asked. I like whiskey, but you have do you have a Lauren Hewitt one stone, and I always look away like this motherfucker. So who fucking I said, you have one stone. I just want one stone. So high maintenance he wants a large ball ball ball with the football's advice because you know, what they do. They scoop of fucking ice in there, and it dilutes the whiskey, and it's all water on a like, no, my friend. John Dudley does wasn't play games. He takes a pan of water like a large pan. And then he puts it in the traeger grills. And he sets it to super smoke and the smoke constantly pumping into the water leaves it there for hours, then he takes that smoke-filled water. And he pours it into those ball. So he makes those molds with smoke infused water. I love and then he puts that in the glassy and post whiskey knows. And I'm like, whoa. That's next level. Like that shit next. Smoked it smoked ain't gonna break you're supposed to break those balls in hand who's who's out there doing that? What does that the wedge I've seen this? Yeah. What is this communism? What is this? What is this? It's half ice glass. Get that shit out of my face goddamn hippie. He's fucking AP's. What else you got your own cold? Brew your homemade that looking like go to see if you could find you wanna be a prove your wizardry skills because I know he has them. Yeah. Try to find John Dudley smoked ice balls on Instagram could luck he'll find it. Traeger guy smoke balls called him, smokey balls. So he makes them doesn't self. Yeah. He makes those himself like in his backyard in seconds, bring it up to make sense. I can't if he gave me time I wouldn't be able to necessarily do that she'd he's doing it while he's operating the camera. So here's John's grill running so he's got that that pan filled with water there is smoking. Yeah. And and this is he's got the insulated top on it. Because he's in Iowa. It's free. Fuck and cold. And then he pours that smoky water into the mos- on Dun, Dun, smoky balls. Trying to get fucked up kids who smokey balls cat lady that crazy shit that was windy Ritalin. I who John, and I've we've tied it on man. We've tied it on many times, but we did one podcast with a bunch of bow hunters. And we got fucked up. We're drinking everything in the mini cabinet and. In the minibar had red bull and red wine, and tequila and what else diet coke and John Dudley? Mix it all up and call it a cat lady. Just like crazy fucked up, and we're all drinking. I know. There was no diet coke. It was red bull to Quila and red wine. That's what it was. It was dammed delicious water so trashy as you say when we were high as fuck, and we're just trashed trying to good as you're fucked up. That's that's like the kids who do the suicide, you know, that every every fucking kind of soda and the machine it's only good because you're like, yeah. This is supposed to be fun. We were just having a good time. Doing a podcast. You know, having a good time to drink ridiculous. Drink and bullshit. Yeah. The cat lady. Yeah. It's going to be a thing. Because now the internet's going to make a K thing for a while people were doing it. But then they realize why would you do that? When you have a Margarita. Him on their own. Yeah. Nice glass of wine. Itself. It's shit. You do your, you know, your pitching your board and scavenging minibar whenever you get bored. And how you create the most I saw someone on the internet posted they took the ice cream from an ice cream sandwich. And then rice to rice crispy treats, and they put the ice cream between was ice crispy tree plan for diabetes breath. They're gonna go with the Breda that like ice cream readouts going around. I've seen that Gandhi ice cream and shit that shit's gross cubs. Watson turned double double from in and out into taco want. Yeah. He chopped up a double double input into Taco's lasts from me and talking about whether or not, that's okay blasphemy. You can't fuck with it in and out that blast lead those things. House Taco Bell fucking gross gross. L foul. Anybody eat Taco Bell living in Los Angeles is shameful human being the amount of good Mexican food too. So it's like it's too much. There's too much good was happening here. Two hundred McDonald's burgers into a burrito. Mealtime guys they've been doing this for a while. Been doing this for ten years. They stuff it in there. And what is the rap is that a burrito rap yet and the Kennedy dec- this jamming Jimmy Allen. I look at your search engine. I would take away your right to vote. There's no way different computers. What's wrong with you? That's got different got different computer. You don't see my other ones. Dan. I don't want anybody, you know, different emails this, Mr. happy, Mr. happy lines to get on this only looks for happy things flowers different personality for different swan mower. Mr dirty. This is what I really like organic fertilizer, just hurt the environment. You do live live in LA where would you live? And if we move together, which we go to questions either what's gotta be somewhere. There's no state income tax because you're tired of the shit. Tired of this bullshit? But if you start making more money, you don't fuck anymore. Yeah. But still it's kind of like, why am I paying any more money the fucking? So that the plenty of homeless people around. Okay. All right fight who someone's going to fix the streets to are. They when are they gonna start looks good address. That's why a lot of athletes operate out of Florida. I drove here today. And it didn't bother me at all. Yeah. You live so close to here on the roof live in Florida because of low income tenants also say operation busies out of this is why OJ's they're like, they can't get you. If you. Florida you. Yeah. You can hide in Florida. If you owe money really as one of them weird one. So I've Trump national's down there. Well think that's like pensions and shit. Like, they can't take away your pensions. Right. They probably have some weird like union restriction law that they can't touch your stuff. I think I I don't really I don't know if I could live in Florida. But yeah, you could. Yeah. You would just mock it me and me, John Travolta, and he lives in a collar right next door to him. He always offer massages and shit. And you'd be like, no, I'm good on Jeff together. T- one meet just fly. Doc, man, John Travolta wants to be my friend. Do you think he just wants to be my friend? He just said, buddy. He's a good guy. He's got a sling lion. Oh, no. We have to land in the water will have to hold each other for warmth throw while ho how long for like four days. Maybe inside you keep you warmer from the inside by Dixon your ass. They might very hot. I know sounds crazy. But it's life and death got put it inside. If you put your mouth on my penis, you'll you'll see over one hundred degrees warms up blow me up and then ride me as we float away blowing up like a balloon. His play crescent area, John Travolta. I don't know where I would probably I mean, Chicago's an easy answer. I really want to move back to do you love it. You don't mind the winters you bond. Something about the bonding that happens in the winters believe that to you have like a cultural bond with people man, there's nothing better than going to a bar in the winter in Chicago, and it's fucking gross and sad and gold and everyone is having a good time. Everyone wants to be together in these moments true. But you don't wanna live in the south side where the bullets going off left and right nowhere newness away. How do they stop that? I was talking to a guy who was a cop. And he was telling me that it's they arrested certain gang members like certain people that are running the gangs gang leaders, and then it created a power vacuum. And then they start fighting. Then it got even more chaotic way worse, but the cops have tried to work with gangs over the years and a million different ways to try to like curb the violence. They did it here in Los Angeles. How how'd they do it? They had these people. They have these people that are like these community organizers who run the. Neighborhood. And they have these like kind of peace talks with these gang leaders to tell them like certain ways to operate in within the community because they're like your kids live here your girlfriend, so it for some reason, I think there's been a lot of weird cultural movements in LA that have helped like, you know, nipsy. Also got shot. And I think all these Crips showed up with bloods, and other people came together, I think it was just weird coming together of gangs, and this has happened in LA a few different times or community. Organizers kinda started like peel back these walls of like we also have to live here. I know you want to function as an organization, but I think Chicago's reckless. I don't think it's I think it's less about gangs in Chicago. It's more about young people with guns who want control, and I don't think they're all parts of gangs. I just think this is it's it's a violent city. It's an angry violence that. It's a lot of a lot of poverty a lot of poverty, and you live there most of your live. So what what's the consensus thinking of how to fix it? I don't know, man. I wish I wish I had like I wish I felt like I knew what would help that kind of stuff. But I'm just a fucking white guy from the north side, you know, like the majority of these people are black the majority of the south side is black and the majority of the violence in the crime that happens in that community is driven around these pockets of the south side. I have no relate ability. That's the problem. Right. Did they think it's the would fix it shit? I don't fucking know lug if you were the king of the world, what would you do fix the crime and south side for the last thing, we talk about on this podcast last thing that I would do if it was me if I was if I really tried to fix president puts them puts them Santino, if I could put some more money in there and get some programs in their sort of helping people. I don't know what it is. I don't know what this specific thing. Difficul liberal. You think it's going to be he's motherfuckers, and they wonder why Trump won. Well, they always say like, what are you gonna take away the guns maga- never going to take away the guns? That's never going to work. Yeah. You gotta make some kind of program that helps people function. I don't know what it is. I'm not that smart. I'm not that smart. But I do think there's I do think there's a way to fix it. But I do think there's also a lot of young kids who get guns in Chicago. And they kill people. It's going to be a slow process of chain forever. Obama couldn't do shit a lot from Chicago. Yeah. A lot of those community organizers in Chicago were mad at him because he didn't fix anything. Because people in the black community were like you promise you would fucking help a little bit. And then it look this is the first year. I think we've had a dip in murders in Chicago. And we're coming up on the summer. 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Inside Fury-Wilder

SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

00:00 sec | 9 months ago

Inside Fury-Wilder

"This is sports illustrated boxing podcast boxing. Boxing with sports illustrated's Kris maddox interviews analysis. In everything going on in boxing and now a man who I wish was called the Boston leader. It's sort of like getting punched in the face. All right we'll come back to other episode the SL. Boxing podcast excited to be here in studio not just because we have a lot to talk about from Brian Garcia's second consecutive first round knockout to the biggest heavyweight fight in a longtime deontay wilder. Tyson fury fight. They'll take place Saturday in Las Vegas on pay per view but I'm also happy to be joined by the best boxing writers out there my company from the athletic and Steve Kim from ESPN. Both these guys are also podcast as well when you're done listening and subscribing and rating and reviewing all that good stuff that this podcast. Please do all those things. By the way of Noah helpful it is for the show Check them out in the PUCK and COP. Boxing Shore Athletic. And the three knockdown rule which is available wherever you listen to podcasts. Also Streaming Right Steve Special Editions. The first one with me and Mario is on. Espn plus right now. So there you have specifically free-viewing while to fury when does the athletic again to streaming Mike. You know they're all about just just print. Let's arm contained video. Now there are eighty hearn. Peace there so Maybe there's a space there for boxing here. Does I want to say that. I've been Joseph Steve for a long time but to be with. Acs Later Mario Lopez. I mean you can really use that for some points. I mean the guy doesn't well for the record. I really wanted to do with Dustin diamond but legal issues by for Lopez. I bet that's not a very fun topic discussed with only gone. That cast will talk to Dustin really. Yeah Dustin wrote a book and I guess it was like Foul balls about saved by the bell to anybody cocaine. All through everyone under the bus and Mario actually had him on his podcast or whatever show he was doing couple years ago. I think it's an uneasy truce in my understanding is like for all the reunions on the path. Dustin is basically. I'm not saying he's not invited but he's persona non grata. I mean Nate Palm Relationships. It's funny like I was doing my daily show for NBC radio. It was like Martha Guzzler for a long time was just like shuffling through shows left and right like you have like Bang Bang Bang. And every time he would have a new show on. Tnt like he come online to promote it and like having the same conversation over. And over like what? The fuck is going on with Dustin diamond. What is what is going on with. Scripps issue was not to divulge too too much into this rabbit hole but back then we don't know this and I I really watched the show but I guess Dustin was like three years younger than everybody. Yeah so at that age. It's lot different when you're eighteen or nineteen and one guy's like fifteen or six Seattle big difference like high school seniors to freshmen and so he was always kind of a cast of even back then. Yeah it's crazy as your update bringing reviewed by the way guys. I think I'm probably not the Austin Eye. So I want to get to fury versus while the biggest we'd fight we've seen in a while but our look back for a second here to on Saturday. We had Ryan Garcia 21-year-old lightweight with the enormous social media. Follow he knocked out Francisco Fonseca at the Honda Center. Anaheim you guys both were there Ringside this was the second consecutive first round knockout for Garcia last November. He stopped Romero. Do Know Spectacularly Seca that was even more impressive As Garcia continues to show incredible power with that left took Steve. All three of us as we said were ringside. But I'll start with you. What did you think of Garcia's performance was it a great performance or something he should do against limited opposition? A little bit of both. I've said for a while in boxing especially at this level when fights are being engineered for you to win. It's not if you win. It's how you win and look he's putting on performances were you remember and it's an eye opening thing. I thought it was like a Roy. Jones left talk how striking it was using guys own movement counterpunch and if you have your head out in front of your front foot and you lose control of distance and spacing on Ryan Garcia especially. In the first three rounds. He will strike like Cobra. Any practices. That I remember asking him years ago during a golden boy. Promotions working for ring. Tv I said right. I gotta be honest. Did you watch a lot of Floyd Mayweather and Roy Jones? And he said absolutely everyone compares to Delahoya. He really grew up admiring those guys. And the other thing that was really impressive and you talked about a social media following. Chris is that on a Friday night on a weekday to go to Anaheim. And it's not La 'cause that's an all day trip. And I know a lot of people that simply said I can't take a day off from work actually draw over ten thousand on Valentine's Day it goes to show you guys he something now. They opened up a new section. I think when I heard hours before that event Mike what do you think I mean it was look? I don't want overrate Francisco Fonseca. He was kind of blown up one thirty five anyway. He fought your Monty Davis lost. He fought seven farmer lost but I mean he hadn't lost like that that's for sure. What's so impressive? Is a little bit. What Steve Said Ryan? Gar counterpunching ability. You know how great of a counterpuncher Canola Alvarez's who trains alongside Ryan Garcia in San Diego under eighty reinoso. I was so impressed. By the way Ryan Garcia slipped left hand under Fonseca's right hands and it was like Steve said it was like a it was like a coil. He just slingshot at. It was so effortless and the trajectory was so compact. It was so sneaky. I think a lot of guys will be get hit by that shot. And he's clearly developing. He's much better now than he was even a year ago. I think we just have to see them. Go some rounds now. I still have questions about his chin and his defense defense and I think where he can answer a lot of those questions hopefully. Yeah Yeah Two summers ago I remember. I was in Dallas for the Miami. Lsu Game He. He fought on a Saturday night on a ring. Tv stream for Carl's Morales. Who GOT BLOWN OUT BY LEONARDO? I remember thinking two years ago. This is a five year project. He was getting pushed around at the end. He got hit a lot. But as you noticed Noted Might Eddie Ray Nelson brought some real stability. I remember after that fight. The golden boy brass said look nothing against the father he can still be involved. We gotTA get some training. And Look Eddie Reynosa will always be known for Carmelo like Thomas hearns Emanuel steward but if Eddie can really craft this young man into being a fighter a real one. This guy's looking at hall of fame trajectory as a trainer. Because if you just look at the physical strength the development the maturity and the fact that when you talk to Ryan and Mike. We're in his locker room afterwards. Look I'm not saying he's cocky but but he does. He really a belief in himself that he's going places. Yeah and sometimes Mike and you talk the Renaud's a lot. I mean. Sometimes. I wonder about these trainers that for a long time. Are One trick ponies for lack of better phrase? I mean we've seen it Kinda with Virgil Hunter Somewhat. I mean he virgil outside of Andre Ward has yet to think established himself with somebody else off and that's just one example of it but it's pretty clear from watching Ryan that there has been a tangible impact on his style not just with the power but I mean everything. His whole body of work seems to have improved under the noses. I was in San Diego and October to watch Canot Alvarez train and also Ryan was there the same day and I think a lot of what Steve. Seen up close in big bear. It's a camaraderie there. All the guys are trained together. Canot of course as a crazy work ethic so that can only rub off on a guy who's younger and we've seen Kamilo tweet out. I Love You Ryan. You know. He's really taking him under his wing. That's huge help especially in your belief system but Eddie Renault. So he just doesn't take any nonsense he he's always you know. He's watching sparring. He's giving connotes here narrow and he takes charge. So many trainers let the fighters be the boss of their own camp for the story about Sergei. Sergei Kovalyov will try to be not training today. Not just a million guys. But there's a real atmosphere and San Diego Echo Alvarez's Jim and it's really paying off. Steve's that eighty reinoso I think is the best trainer and Boxing. Today Steve. Mike CD Questions are his chin. And that's fair because he hasn't been really tested like that. He will be tested if he goes up against the Nour's in his next fight I mean ours is like the Lazarus of boxing. Mamik every time every time he gets smoked in. Everything's his career is over. He comes back in Judah like he just keeps comeback with. But it's even worse 'cause like you didn't just lose he gets like spectacularly knocked out every single time five losses all by knockouts wild but sometimes I don't know like what guys say in interviews and fighter meetings is just lip service. But I really believe that Lenore is going back to Japan. You know kind of going back to his roots getting his brother back involved with his team changing his diet going back to one thirty five. I think that had a real impact on low cost Morales again. More of a gatekeeper type. But man he went out there and just flattened him inside a couple of few rounds. Chris I remember being at the pack. Yao Brunner fight on that. Friday zone had a car. You may have been calling that and I was watching another. Espn show on the plus. I switched over to the to the zone and literally soon as I switch over. Pablo CESAR CANOLA narrating. Nour's to the canvas. I think three times I ran. I said Okay for the eighth time this careers over did that we Thompson. I remember when he got knocked but the longer checkers the one loss. I said that's acceptable every other loss. He was a favourite now getting back down from one forty to one. Thirty five was absolutely key. He got overpowered that night. And I remember. Llaneras came up about eleven years ago to. La came in with the governor of the name of Edwin Valero these guys were absolute dynamos. And the first time Hurdle Norris was in two thousand six walk into the wild card. I had just finished working out or bought to work out in the late. Great McAfee Poli Says TO ME Steve. We got this kid sparring pack. Yo on he's from Venezuela's name is Lenore as I think it was like eighteen. So I said to Freddie Freddie you might stick around to watch the sparring Rudy Hernandez brings them any works for taken at age eighteen or nineteen. He had to be about seventeen or no. I can honestly tell you. Out of the rounds with Manny Pacquiao. He probably one three fourths of those rounds. He was that good but it. It goes to show you Chris and Mike how hard it is to be an upper level elite fighter because he has that one Achilles Heel. He doesn't catch well if he added a. Gluskin like Chin. I think we're talking about an all time great but like you said he's like Chandelier Bright sparkly. Don't drop them. Yeah I mean my rob. What was it just was it? Just Morales is not a great fighter or do you think this is another llaneras comeback is I mean did he just make another spectacular comeback from the depths of boxing? I Sigh with Hore. Hey last Tuesday in Anaheim at the workouts ends. I was struck. By how confident is he seems to. Just shake off these losses and be like. I'll be back You know he has not a care in the world reminds me a little bit of like Andy Rees he just walks around and I mean I was struck by how fast speed is definitely still there. He saw the punches. So fluid I I'm gonNA FAVOR RUNNING OUR C. You have to give one ours the shot and it's a massive leap in competition for Ryan Garcia. Now you're GONNA I mean I've done in the past. She's been punched and it's reminded me of Wrestling you're like a ric flair like. Oh not the face like beautiful faith giving of it. I wouldn't want that but like this is the first like offensive oriented fighter that Ryan go up against. There's no doubt speed but you know I think for Llaneras given his history where he's not exactly. George Follow Those. First three rounds. I'd be very cautious. My goal if I'm on Nora's gets around five six and seven and let's see if this kid could swim in a deep pool but the amount of speed and not only the aesthetic beauty of both men is going to be to watch. But it'll be interesting to see who leads because both our master counterpunchers both guys really. WanNa work against your own movement and make you initiate. So that's going to be the chessmaster. The first four rounds who is going to actually take the risk of getting counterpunched. And then we're going to get into the fight and for people who don't know. Steve George reference. Look up some Georgia. Tonight's where he took a beating floored by the way. Never hit the canvas. He took a beating against. I remember watching Youtube clips of of some of them You know I I. I said this on the broadcast like the happiest person. There's wrangling the second happiest ours. Third is operatives because suddenly you have a tent pole fight in the summertime. And I'm a believer. You guys are to La guys. But I think that's sells out staples center. I I think you have to probably figure out the UNDERCARD and get some some local flavor there. I I said that if Kevin Hart farmer and and Joe Dias can fight at that point. That is a terrific. Komen for an event like that a true. I don't know if you want to pay per view but if it has real depth on it for that type of card if they can make that fight yourself the Staple Center. Mike like that is a that is a major event. I think Ryan Garcia is is used right now. I mean over ten thousand like Steve said on Valentine's Day in Anaheim where we know the traffic's horrible. It's take two hours in rush hour from just from. La Lenora is a at least boxing fans. He's a known quantity. He's been around forever. I remember watching him against Oscar. Arias I think it was on the winky. Wright Bernard Hopkins Undercard Thousand Seven. Seven eight seven. Yeah I remember when ours is a great fighter. I mean I'm a great talent and he's a really good fighter. I I do think that having the two guys you can. You really have a big draw. Here they promoted right and I I saw I love. I love seeing Oscar. Hoyer really out in full force last week. Yeah he wanted better promotional weeks. I mean there's been legitimate questions about how he's promoted some of his shows before even showing up and some of them but I thought he was strong Christie talked about his Social media following rang. The question that I had of look we follow people on social media. People fall was back. That doesn't cost money. You could like a post. You can re tweet something. You're actually giving your hard earned dollars. I thought this past Friday was a test of Okay Ryan. You are a social media Maven. There's no doubt about it but can you turn that into actual business of value. Any did now with now. You're working you're on the broadcast of finishing up my ringside store. I think Mike was to buy Pico. Read twitter that knockout went viral. Just look at the amount of likes and then also I would say this before we finish. It says it was the it was the most for disown anyway. It was the most viral knockout since release. Joshua sportscenter picked it up. Everybody was tweeting about A. It was everywhere even more than you are in bed by then. Thirty eleven rounds Bam. It's over but this one was like first round holy. The knock on board about Ryan is in the end like even WanNa do a video of him. It'll be like a forty five second snippet of him saying anything. I'm also my videos. Don't get anywhere between one thousand and two thousand views with Ryan Garcia. Gets about twenty thousand. I'm like Gee I need to fill this guy full-time I mean you literally. There's something about him. I actually talked to some of the fans that came over to press row. Lot OF FEMALES. Lot of wives a lot of kids. It does remind me of De la. Hoya in the nineties where there's certainly a demographic that goes beyond Harry hardcore and Garcias really discretion in surface. This is a guy who's with endeavor you know one of the two biggest agencies I think in the world's he's saying to them for modeling and he's done a little bit of that now. He wants a fashion week in New York. I know he has interested in film. And they're presenting them for that so I think we could see longer. C. A. B. There's no reason why you can't be the next next Oscar de la Hoya right. Well I mean that's kind of my next question is like what is the ceiling for Garcia. I mean I think ultimately have to prove you can fight at a high level in the ring and I think this year if he follows the path he laid out himself in the ring where he said. I want what ours next. And then I want Luke Campbell. I'm assuming locale Beats Fortuna in the next fight That's a pretty solid year for a twenty one year old like those are two former champions like level ish type of guys you know not a level guys but be level guys you can beat those guys you go into twenty twenty one. You've got some massive momentum. No there's no doubt and he's only twenty one and I to me. It's interesting two years ago when he started talking about tank. Davis I dubbed that Fight Tiananmen Square. I said he'd get run over but I've changed my mind. Based on the fact I talked to a lot of trainers off the record. When guys are most honest there's more than half the trainers that I speak to that they right now. It is trending if they fought six to eight months they would actually pick Ryan Garcia. I think you still have to favorite Tango Davis Right now. I don't want to be president of the moment. Go too much off of Devos's Lousy Performance. Against York's Kim Boa. But the problem is that he doesn't train he doesn't take care of his body he he's got some other issues and I also have other issues without another viral video of a of a bag with where you're seeing grabbing the mother of his child by I guess the shirt by the neck but then the police said they saw partial video. Dan accusing him of punching her face. So we know what's going to happen with Davis now but I do know that Garcia side has talked to heyman little about doing fine December. In Hayman's interested Garcia is very interested in. But I don't know how fits in with what you said. You ate out for Luke Campbell. No but if he like you know Luke Campbell. Slip Question. Luke chemical loses next fight. And you know who knows what happens there and I if I'm an look at the way the WBZ operates like maybe. They make campfire devastating. I don't know how it's all going to play out there. But even if there's no I mean I I I can see tank Davis and albumin being. Okay with that matchup. Because I think they believe they can win it and I think they see real value in it because of Ryan Star power so you can do it in L. A. And or wherever it sell out whatever venue you're going to be at and not only that if and I've seen this before when Fernando Vargas fought Trinidad what people do not talk about one of the reasons why Shelly. Finkel and main events pull the trigger on that fight so quickly. Fran burglary charge at that point. They thought this was going to be Tony. I Al All over again and there became this thought. Like Oh jeeze if this kid goes to jail six months. Let's get some money out of this. I'm not a lawyer so I don't know what's GonNa Happen to tank gave us but if you're the PBC in Alhambra thinking boy. This kid every other week is on. Tmz for all the wrong reasons. We got to start making some money. Now I don't know if they're going to actually do the Lille Santa Cruz fight in late. May Now I know liles telling people. He thinks he has that fight. I don't think that fight does that. Well I think there's just interest I mean we were all there when I doubt Lille Santa Snooze during the Ortiz wild rematch. I think even the Mexican American fans out here on the West Coast is board but when it comes to the Ryan now I actually think look do I think it does. A half million buys no but is it significant enough that everyone involved can make money which is really the impetus to make these events. I actually think that can bring people to the dinner table. Yeah I know I'm in the minority here. I have not been a big fan of Lille Santa Cruz for a long time. He's a very nice guy. doesn't really say much and those a lot of punches but the punches ever having steam on them. I just fight over and over plus. He's got he's always had a shelf life like the way he fights like. He was always going to look like one hundred and eighteen pounders when he hit his thirties like each. And now he's there. I think I thought he looked kind of washed up in the last why. That's why I do think like if they're gonNA DO Attack Davis fight. Now is the time somebody else gets to Leo that to me would be a lesser version of Mike Garcia. Moving up to eight to fight aerospace. When I saw Leo at one thirty last fight you're right Mike. His punches had no steam. It looked like marshmallows being thrown at battleship. They're just bouncing off the guide. I'm thinking take is going to run through this guy and I've been told the tank Davis by does happen with Leo that. There's a possibility of that happening at one thirty. Now that's a whole nother issue. I don't trust tank to make one thirty five right now to be honest with you and wanting thing about The other thing that really impressed with Ryan Garcia's a physical development. If you actually look at them in between fights he is now filling out and I think within three or four years. I don't think it's inconceivable that he'll be at forty two forty seven. Oh I think forty is in his maybe not immediate future but here twenty one. I can see one forty being there for them. I'm not not to dwell on this but there was the obvious. Wwe element in the ring after with Haney role in there. Like oh look to my line. Here's devastating what is surprise. Hi Devon what are you doing here? Well I'm the point is that fight needs time. That's not something I mean Devon's coming back from an injury still a bit of an quantity given the he's incredibly talented. But I wouldn't. I hate to use the word marinate on this stuff because the consequences of it but that fight needs to make a little bit of time. I Agree Devon Haney. I think we all love him. He's a he's a really great guy to be around. Just like Ryan. That can be true. Superfly give it a little bit of time. I mean two good looking guys with great personalities that both can fight no reason to rush this and just on the Marigny Point. I was talking to Bob. Arum a few months ago for a story on wilder fury and I said Hey Got Some marinating. And how you know while they're fury to didn't happen in. May I was supposed to before furious with top rank? And then Bob Goes. You know what that whole marinating thing. That was bullshit. I made that up because I knew that was going to kill one. The hope is to get them to bring it up. Koch Heath right getting sick and tired of hearing it. It's pretty it's pretty good. I've been prime not sure I buy that from Saturday. What's interesting about Devon Haney Bum Rushing Bernard Hopkins through your saw the clip? I thought there was such irony because I remember Bernard Hopkins used to be that Guy. Twenty years ago used to go to fights and used to get in people's faces when he did the middleweight tournament. Two Thousand and one. I went to every stage with Doug Fisher. He was that angry. Young for coaches go-getter. Now hanes not really angry but I think that there had to be a part of Hopkins saying boy. This is more. This is ironic now now. I'm the powers that be. Keeping Young Bernard Hopkins two point. Oh away from my guy who's Ryan Garcia but I'm with you if you make that fight right now from a financial standpoint. I think actually shortchanging both men because I think it can be built into something much bigger than I talked to. Devon that afternoon at the restaurant. He's not coming back till June so I can say I want Ryan Garcia. I'd I'd be like my next question is when you're not available you on the deal. Yeah I mean I think that a year and a half one forty even. That's sort of Wim. Twenty twenty two. I think is both in their early twenties. It's it's fine. I want to talk about reverse while this weekend. The biggest heavyweight fight we've seen at least in last decade plus probably going back to Tyson Lewis in two thousand and three fight the first time expecting a very good fight the second time. I let me ask you both this sort of generic question like Michael. Start with what about this fight? You find the most interesting. What's the biggest story line for you going into this fight? Deontay wilder power. No one seems to be able to withstand it remains the Verne who was the only fighter to go. The distance got knocked out in the first round in the rematch. Fury's the other guy who's wanted to distance and he barely made it to the finish line. Here's dropped hard and round nine even hotter in round twelve and I just don't know if anybody can absorb that power and I'm so intrigued to find out if anyone can. It seems to be fury with resilience. Incredible self-belief yeah. I mean Steve. What do you think? What's the biggest story line for you going back to that I? I actually thought it was much more interesting than it was entertaining. There was a lot of dead spots. But I said this about the Auntie Walter. He's so lethal dangerous. He's the only fighter in the world that I could think of where nothing is happening. And you're still in your seat because literally at anytime that right hand. I call detonate while there. It's absolutely an a bomb. I was there when when Ortiz was two seconds from being of six one and literally blink and next thing you know the fights over it is a Tommy. Hearns esque right hand. I want to know who can be better in the second fight like everyone else but I do question this and I think Yanti Wilder said it best. When you face me you gotta be perfect for thirty six minutes. I have to be perfect for two seconds. I'll take those odds are it's interesting that in rematches. Chris you notice. Most people always say favor. The boxer puncher most of the people that I've canvas. I did a story on the trainers. I'll be honest. Most people are actually picking wilder as AM I. I just get the sense that for all the good stretches that Tyson fury reliable he'll dominate and play ball control for days at a time that one shuttle calm and it could flip whole script. Yeah I mean I I agree with you. I'm taking wilder in this fight too. Because for all the things you articulated. They're like I think fury he could be up like ten one going into the twelve and I think he could still get caught with a bomb. I was in Mike. I was in while this camp a couple of weeks ago and I'm watching him work and I'm kind of asking him and I'm asking J. D.'s. Like do you guys even like train for decisions anymore or is everything sort of just trying to set up. That big shot like position guys. That's what he said after the Luis Ortiz. Fight you know. I'm just trying to move him around. Get Him in the right spot. And I think that's the right strategy. I think what thirty four thirty five years old John is not going to become a good boxer is cast. That he is what is like. He's he's a power puncher. Who has this devastating right hand and if he just keeps moving like fury is going to have to keep the head movement going and keep that mobility going for thirty six consecutive minutes. And I think that's going to be hard for him to do I. I don't know I disagree. I think if I'm if I was in tears corner and I would have them go after wilder. You're you're going to be two hundred and seventy pounds. Wilders not GONNA way more than at most twenty eight or so vitamin E. Inside Walter. Those why looping shots. I think you're safe you smother wilder shots. Of course there's still a men's danger closing the gap but now with sugarhill cronk trainer we would manuals Stewart. Likes Best Right. Lean on the opponent. Sam of his energy sapped wilder of that. Great Power. If it's possible and try to really push them back I mean we've seen a reheard wilder say that furious pulls in his hands. We all know that fury wobbles wilder fury waddled wilder battle. And not twelve after the knockdown and I was recently and furious camp grounds and from what I saw if you're going after his opponent I don't want to. I don't disagree with you. Mike about the strategy of going after him. I think the worst thing you can do is to let wilder kind of get set and get comfortable there. Because then he just sets up that right hand and that was a mistake Ortiz Bane. He was kind of your acting up a little bit and while just does lay them out. I think I think fury can do that for the vast majority of fight but I think if he takes ten seconds off and relaxes all of a sudden. I hate to going back to it. But man like I was ringside when he fought Steve Cunningham. And you know why she sees floor him like that just sections. I remember. That was two thousand thirteen right. Something like that at the garden yeah trout. I'm watching in Texas Mike about what you said you know. Stephen Brandman had were the brightest young trainers so smart. He's Stephen this. I actually think fury has a plan and he goes you may not be actually looking to stop them into but you do have to go towards them because if you have a while very skinny legs you could tell. He's not hitting the squat rack. Okay but what he does. I mean as covering basketball like you can't grow legs like right. Strengthen absolutely impossible you've got to be able to put while on his Hughes a little bit because if he gets set and he gets on the balls of his feet and he starts to come down hill he launches into that right hand and so that may be furious. Way of saying. I'm going to be aggressive in spots. And I'm going to try to rough him up and I was watching one of the Shoulder programming I think the inside wilder fury. Everyone's talking about the two seventy. I didn't realize fury was doing so much weight train. He's body actually looks pretty good. I don't think it's an Andy. Ruiz weight gain. I think it was actually a method to the madness. One thing I do notice about wilder he when he put his hands up above his face he goes into the earmuffs defense. That is a position where it's the one time he's not actually dangerous. The right hand That's were furious. That positioning the hands. That's where he can march right into the front door. I do expect a fury to be a little bit more aggressive offensively on his front foot. Mike you went and saw fury as you said you know what the question I had about. Some of the comments he made about going after a while their second round. Knockout all that stuff like in the first fight. He was playing mind games with them like he was trying to get inside his head and I think he was successful at doing it and take wilder out of his game. I wonder what I heard the second round stuff and I'm going to go after them out. If that was a mind game to to try to get wild thinking here he's going to come after me and all of a sudden whitman splitting off his back foot moving around too much. I mean you never know with Tyson. Fury what is actual strategy is and what he's just trying to make you think strategies. Yeah I believe it's probably bluster and I don't really know his strategy is because like I said I don't want to take too much from sparring and just a day watching training but I don't think you go with a trainer unless you want to try to improve some punching power and really sit on those shots and I think it would be a great idea to go after wilders body. I mean you're a pleasure. South hit the body and try to sap his energy lean on him because for everyone who trash talks wilder and says oh he's so crew. Yeah he has cruden autoways but he's excellent at setting up that right hands. He created fainting and his timing seems to be impeccable. I mean yeah. Ortiz was standing right in the pocket and focus for maybe a second and wilder. He didn't throw the JEB OUT ENTIRELY. He kind of like pushed out a little bit and then or cheese and the right came right behind the blinds. Them now is it. See You talked about the trainers and writing about them. Like what kind of impact can sugarhill have here like these taking over a finished product at this point and you know I? I don't know. Is he going to be? I mean you mentioned manuals store and maintenance to it also failed with guys who took on. Makoto didn't work with the manuals. Yeah so I I wonder what that that relationship and I also wonder Ben Davidson? Look he was there at the Waldo Ortiz rematch scouting. I mean if you told me three weeks later. This guy's out of a job. I would have been stunned in the sense that I get is. That was an economic move that Ben and the fury camp could not come together on pay. It always comes down the money in buffalo wings. Yeah and Ben. Davidson is an extremely intelligent guy. And he's very gracious thing. A lot of Nice things about fury Jalen Hill is a is a young man. I've known for a very long time certainly great bloodlines. But I don't ever remember sugarhill actually being a fight this big I really don't and but I will say this you're right Tyson. Fury could probably have US three in the corner. I'm not so should make a difference. Guys an extremely high boxing. I Q he has rare athleticism for his size and I remember Johnny Tapioca back to hall of Famer. God rest his soul he he. I called him the George Steinbrenner of boxing because every fighting at a different corner man. Just as Billy Martin. Because he was there like seven. Different Times never made a difference. It really is an trainers are honest with you. Ever talked to Freddie Roach about this. He'll tell you that trains can actually be very overrated. It is about the Horse. It is not about the jockey and it could come to a situation. Where if Tyson see something intuitively in that first round? It may not matter what they've worked on the past two three months. I don't think it's necessarily what they worked on. But in ring strategy I think is real like an and being unable. I mentioned Freddie Roach Freddie famously publicly criticized Ben Davidson. You're not having a more offense oriented strategy in that first fight. Freddie was convinced that fury could have knocked wilder out and I. It's hard to disagree with them. Giving some of the success that he had there. So that's that's my biggest question when you get in the trenches in what is expected to be a close fight a tough fight. What kind of advice to sugarhill offer up and is it effective or would different trainer of offered better ideas? You Steve's point what's the biggest fight sugar has been a part of a is it a Donna Stephen Body Jack Thomas Stevenson in that tragic fight against Alexander Bozic. I'm not sure I do agree. That furious rescues incredibly high. He seems to really pick up on things. Fast and just I I can really offer for fury. But it's I think maybe criminal economical. But there's always something to be said about the last performance. We know the fighters to blame their trainers and fury did not look good. All out of wowing. He lost the twelfth round was her badly hit. The bad cody will. I thought he lost. Maybe five rounds and I remember his dad said Fire Band what I remember that cut broke out and I think that was like mid September. That was the typical canal eight that went to Bolivian. As he's battling golden boy and as the cut is streaming there was a palpable nervousness. Ringside from everyone involved thinking. Oh Geez not only do we. Over marinate we burnt this Thanksgiving dinner. I mean for three. You're thinking to yourself we're not getting rematch. And that fight was caused by a punch. Been knockout right. If there was a business decision made by Las Vegas. We're going to let this thing going. Let's let's all could have been hanging out like the terminator duct tape. Got Some Super Glue in there. I don't want I in dealing with both fighters Mike I wonder though I think Yanni's much more relaxed this time around. I've been able to talk to both guys. I know that Tyson I I had been up and down with the media. Deontay has been telling. Everybody told me I'm in the best place of my life and also he's much healthier this time round. I guess there was a hand injury that I buy and yes are going down that camp. I mean they like you know. J. D.'s was telling me that you know. He didn't use that right. Hand for the entire camp in sparring. It was just the job so that was and again. We hear about injuries. All the time and guys are often hurt inspiring but a hundred percent healthy deontay wilder. I think is is is a factor benefactor. It's funny because for I think the odds are about a coin. Flip around Vegas for this fight. It seems like everyone's picking the onset wilder. I haven't seen that. Many people agreed. Hasn't fury like right up picking wilder? Yeah it's credible before we move on from this topic this is. Abc Top rank. Type of fight. I mean are we overly optimistic that this will open the doors Mike that we'll see. Pbc versus top ranked fights including Terence Crawford versus somebody on the street so much stems on the performance of the pay per view. This Saturday people involved have if I were saying. Oh maybe those seven fifty maybe those close to a million but not just I know myself and everyone else involved in the promotion feels really confident. Out of this is going to go over a million. I mean the promotions being great on Fox and he has to have the Super Bowl. I think it was like eight spots there. You have you have advertisements activation at. Atm'S GAS STATIONS AND BILLBOARDS ALL VEGAS. I've been impressed anecdotally so many people. I know that don't even watch. Sports seems into this fight. Say they're washing it somewhere. I don't think we've had a fight. This big certainly since eligible G. Two but as your question. Yeah if this fight does over million I think Fox and ESPN ARE GONNA say all right. We have to do another one. There's a real synergy here. I Know Fox is fighting behind the scenes over nonsense sandwich beyond showtime. I remember covering that. I would go running to someone at HBO and say this is what a showtime San and every every fifteen minutes or so. That's a little bit exaggeration. Whatever you like six hours showtime we'll have The there there rendon ring reporter doing this like HBO. A call be like well. We had this same type. I'm with you. I hear that stuff same type of soul but I do think if this bike deal over the over the million. Maybe even more. They're going to get all right. Let's see Terence Corporate Earl Spencer Junior. Now I mean that's a big fight. The Stephen is that threshold. Like I'm so fascinated by this pay per view because of and I usually don't care because if you numbers Mike what do I care so my money. I don't I don't give a damn but this one because of unprecedented promotion Super Bowl Promotion. Nba Games promotion like shoulder program on network. Tv press conferences on Network TV. It's it's never been seen before. So what is is a million. Arousing Success and failure is five hundred. Thousands probably failure. You know Bob Arum to the to the pipe. Whatever everyone he'll do it anyway. But what is the? What'S THE THRESHOLD. Bob said two million which means he really thinks that could do one point five. I think one point five would be a success. I think that would be considered a home. Run to Mike's Point. It feels big it. Does I remember the first thing they really start from. Owning it is when Tyson fury went down to one of the College Football Playoff Games. Wilder was supposed to be in. Atlanta for the game. I think he got six was a little bit of a letdown. And Look we're all on social media for about the first month of this promotion a lot of this type of tweet guys. Are they promoting this? What's going on? I thought there was going to be a lot of energy between these two people. I'm not feeling last two weeks. I felt it from the Super Bowl on as you see shoulder programming on the various networks. You see a lot of the youtube channels you see the activation as you say the social media it does feel big and I. This has to succeed in one sense. I'm with you and I've talked to Matt Kenny about this on the ESPN side. I said Matt we're never going to get to a point. Where boxing were you. Two guys are always GonNa work seven eight times a year. But if you could do this two or three times a year and Crawford Spence and fights of that nature continually happened every four to six months. Just think about how much better the game would be so look. I'm hoping it does well not because I have any financial state because I don't. We need certain fights to happen. I asked actually thinking about this last fifteen years going back to Avenue Mars. No NATO donor. There's Piper fifty fights just like that if not better that simply did not happen with these cold wars. Yeah I'd rather not think about it. It's GonNa make angry but some degree points me. Recently I was underwhelmed by the promotion at first and they said look. Hbo AND SHOWTIME. Did this thing always where they promoted fights sixty days out ESPN and Fox and all the events they do year round. They always do the two week out. Push and it's working right. Keep this in mind. Most pay per views are always bought. The last forty eight hours yeah. It felt like ours era. I've never bought a pay per view until the day off and some other evidence Jim Boone good friend of ours ticket broker. He called me yesterday. Says this thing is caught fire. And that's a guy that knows the market better than anybody because he has a stake. Who actually invest in advancing. So Steve I'm GonNa sink or swim based on the market and he's very honest there's time he said Steve. I'm bleeding here. I'm dying. He says this week is blown up. I think a million everybody's goes away. Happy Ish one point five. Everybody's really happy two million everybody's fucking celebrate in the streets of Vegas you. I'm doing something right. I think there's an NBA game on ABC that night. I think they're actually during that broadcast from what I'm told they're gonNA show both fighters coming into the arena. That'll be huge especially with the NBA has got a younger demographic that'll be also the prefight show on ABC at one PM Eastern. Maybe they're doing sports center on the road. Live from Vegas speak for yourself. I mean and all of us are going to be there. It just feels really big like precise. It's this is unprecedented. So it'll be just be great for boxing spike in do that kind of kind of numbers because look NASCAR has two point. Eight billion dollar deal with Fox. Are you telling me NASCAR's two point eight billion times bigger than boxing? No no I'd interesting and NASCAR has had its struggles on multiple networks in the past. Now I don't I don't think that I would say if it does underperform. I wouldn't even blame the promotion. What I would blame it on is the fact that these two guys have besides fighting each other. Have not. Don't have this depth of of great fights right like they don't have you know maybe Tyson didn't have either. But most times like patio became a star. Prison kept fighting. Great guys like became a bigger and bigger star when he knocked out Hatton and Koto and all have been down the list. Guys don't have that resume. You can argue Johnson while there's the greatest punching in boxing history but the guy says he's beating our sea level right but there's also another factor and it's the elephant in the room streaming. Yeah I look I remember growing up and Chris probably like the same age member of the way you got free pay per views the blackbox those are like these magical things where you'd get these illegal cable boxes and you'd get the pay per views like wow. You have a black box you could scramble those bad boys some adult entertainment so you have a good time then then it became a turn of the century Justin. Tv and you can find illegal street. Now you'd get a virus but now literally anything can happen and you could find it. Hold uncalled for free. I talked to Eric Gomez. About a week or two after the second goal off can cannella fight and he said C seven eight years ago maybe even five years ago before all the legal streaming. We really think that pay per view coulda done two million so to me. It's like certain status in certain sports watered down because the style of play. Well I I really believe a pay per view is probably equivalent to one point five. Let's say fifteen years ago right about the illegal stuff I mean. It's it's apple. It's not apples to apples and oranges in a way. But like the first youtube five with Logan Paul and Kfi. They did everything they could at his own to crack down these illegal streams that they're everywhere people were just trying to grab plugging a dyke. You put your finger on one and there's another lack of mole mole out there. It's it's it's crazy so yeah that could be an issue there but I it's going to be lots of Hope that does do a big number for the reason we talked about more fights featuring Espn top-ranked collaborating to get it together Fewer things I WANNA get to before we go last weekend. Kayla plant defended one hundred sixty eight pound title You know blew out his mandatory challenger in unsurprising fashion. This guy was more blown up. Middleweight than anything else That's a second straight kind of D. level opponent. We can say what Mike I mean. Mike Lee not a contender. Oh what did you say my mic? That started joke. What do we know at this? Point Mike About Kayla plan. What are you comfortable saying about Kayla plant as a legit champion slash contender whatever? I'm very comfortable saying not kill plan is an excellent fighter is jab look past. I notice fighting deals. Guide like you said. That job is incredible his footwork. He seems to have just great in. Boxing instincts in there The way he glides around the ring is a great ring general. I think it's the same questions that we might have about wrong are and how did you take a punch? How does he go that versity by this guy? This guy has all the makings of someone who could be pretty big. And let's face it. He's the only white American champion. So that's going to be big as well for him and PB's clearly behind him. Fox's behind him and I want to see him fight somebody who can really test him and they've been. Evita's you tweeted about that on. I mean yeah. Steve did a decent number crowd in Nashville. Which I I think. Pbc do much more of them. And I still can't believe I was in frigging Antero California for harassing that crazy But like you mean that that's a good sign for planned future. It's just I still. I still don't know what I have at him. I agree with Mike like the skills role there I mean he's got amateur background to to reinforce it but I still don't know until he gets hit high boxing. I Q incredible confidence passes the test. I actually think he has the toughest style at sixty eight as much as I like. David Bellavia David men. Evita's is what I call. Snowball takes a little bit of time to get rolling downhill as you know the drill fight even against Ronnie Gabriel that I fight. If you've get behind on Kayla plant early. Let's say five rounds to one. Look that guy can play. Keep away he can do some Dean Smith for corners and stink out a fight and win it little billy Joe Saunders right exactly in Kayla plant is a very skilled guy and I did an interview with them. And it's interesting. You say the only white fighter he listed all the fighters grew up in that he was influenced by everyone of them. Were like black. Is Roy Jones James? Toney all Pernell. Whitaker Floyd Mayweather. Obviously he to me has a chance to be another Terence Crawford gramont Davis type of guy that the really good regional draw and can build off of it. I like his skills now. I don't know I heard something from Samson Leka wits a good friend of all of ours he has David Ben Evita's and they're saying well. That fight is going to happen next year. And then then they're actually saying maybe it's pay per view and I'm thinking no no actually. It's not no no no no no no dynamo but joe you don't have to do the business one thing. I didn't like bill. I actually think he has the style to really give a guy like Cannella fits but look I know. He's just answering a question but when he says well I I wouldn't take even if I could on. May Second I'm saying are you crazy? I look you're coming off a camp. You look sharp getting go through World War three. You could take three weeks off from the gym and still trained seven weeks if you get that lottery ticket you cash it. You cash it but I can just brutalizes them. Relies interest having can speed is just too much like I'm with you. Cannella fell behind but callow has become so good defensively that he swats away jabs pretty easily. And you're not worried about the foot speed though because canal still pretty stationary stationary. But man like it. He starts. Landon Body shots is the best fighter in the world in my eyes as high as am on Kiro Plan. I'm not picking anybody over Cannella. Yeah but Kayla planking where I agree with Kayla plant. You know maybe passing on canal at least in terms of a long term outlook. You beat De Vida is you have two titles all of a sudden value all of a sudden you are the May twenty twenty-nine opponent your it at that point and I just I don't think it happens in twenty twenty you know it. I think they milked this thing a little bit longer with two fights with Ben Evita's Mike and then out of who you bring plant back against one sixty eight not a very good division outside of the very top guys it real depth there. I am concerned I do. You think they want to put on pay per view us not forget that and now has a deal with in demands and he has to put out four pay per views a years and other now searching for pay per views which I don't like pay per view should be budget relief for the very biggest events wilder. Fury's a pay per view. No problem now why you're saying a four a year. I heard about this so all right so this week is assured paper counts as one so for the next nine months. Pbc come up with four pay per view. Here's the show I remember. Tvko in the early nineties. They tried the same concept that they're going to do like a monthly or semi monthly pay per view. And they did some good fights like James Toney beating Michael None. The problem was when you have pay per view gates without actual fights. He tried to shoehorn fights unless you at holy field against George Foreman which did unbelievable numbers to kick off that series. Problem is the rest of those numbers. Just didn't do well. That's that's the issue also if the PBC which is there won't is gonNA generally live within their own atmosphere or their own galaxy or universe. You run out of fights real quickly you do that. That's just the real. Everyone does whether it's top rank or the zone. That's why this event is so important this upcoming week. Because if you look at the best you can make in boxing. I've done these articles. They're always mixed and matched with other entities You know that the the benefit is versus plant fight to me is the perfect fight to Marshall Fox's resources and put all your muscle behind us put it in the fall and put college football behind it put. Wwe Friday night smackdown behind it and see what you can do because if you put it on pay per view it's like one hundred thousand tops. That's nobody else is buying that. But if you do it on Fox maybe you can squeeze out. Four five million viewers and the winner of that. I think it's aesthetically. Good fight because his boxer puncher kind of thing the winner that I think is going to have a bigger profile a significant and have some momentum going into this is exactly why Nascar the two point eight billion dollar deal. Boxing GUESTS HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET. I most because we have a really good fight like a planet vitas powers the Beagle. Oh was put on pay per view shrink the audience over and over in an instead we will have to with Kilcoyne Vincent Feigenbaum and who knows what reading is going to be on president. I'm sure whereas like you said I agree. Plant Ben Evita's that can do four five million and then all of a sudden the antennas up and Fox's like Oh wow. Boxing can really move the needle here but I know you did that interview. Billy Wang or infamous on this podcast. And he's very bullish on pay per view. These guys really are trying to andrew reasons a guy they WANNA pay view. I Oh there's talk right now of possibly Louise Words so review with Louis Ortiz. Which I'm fine with both Andy. Reid there is such a negative connotation with that comeback in like I mean do something flat and somebody and you talked about the television aspect with plant. When he won his title. I think might you. They were both there at the Nokia theatre at La live that was on believe a Fox platform but it was fm one but it was after an NFL playoff game. The Saints Played The Eagles that day. Remember watching it over at the eatery right next to the venue it got a huge rating. Because they're playing ads during the game on the fight. So you're right. That's where the synergy works for guy like Kayla plant but look coffin with a classic case where he was the last really big. Hbo Built Up Guy Gluskin and did really good television numbers. He did good numbers at the gate but when he had the headline a pay per view show. You saw what happened. He was never really strong. Eighth side it's hard making that transition to that next level. Yeah it's really hard to do so hopefully we don't have to deal with too many pay per views this year though it sounds like we will All right this is my favorite topics almost finished with this Jamaal Charles. Who is driving me crazy? Because he has no fights scheduled a belt that you really didn't earn quite frankly it's canals belt at one sixty. He has been out there. Publicly Bashing Eddie hearn two. Meet your android anything to do with that. He wanted to meet your Sandra. He had this video that was out there. Where he you know. Made a homophobic slur towards Eddie. Hearn told anyone who wants to fight him to come to fury wilder which is stupid. What are you gonNA get into a fight in the hallway? That would improve the undercard by the way that's true there flagged hold the mgm grabs and. He's on he's on with the Aachen Barack and he's calling. Eddie hearn in idiots okay. Dimitrius Andrew Reed Needs. An opponent's and opponent is viable dramatic. Carlo needs an opponent that's viable. If in the next month guys there is an announcement for Jamaal Charles Versus Chris eubank and Dimitrius android versus Liam Williams. I'M GONNA lose my fucking mind apoplectic out there because this is so stupid. This is like neither one of these guys like for showtime. I don't know how much money they're putting into Charleston money out putting into Charleston but whatever money they're putting into Charles. Oh it's not worth it. He is drawing the equivalent of the friends and family plan. That is what his ratings. Look like on showtime at this point and I'll say the same thing about android. I was in Miami. Most of the people in the stands left which you know look at android versus Luke Keeler and I put plenty of blame on Android for not getting him out of there in the first round. Knock that guy down two minutes and twenty seconds in finish it you box Marquez. You could you could boxes. That's good even knocked out but Could have the these guys like. What are we doing here? Like Charles Calling Eddie hearn. An idiot he made him an offer of seven million dollars. Like seven million I know android android. Did have an opportunity to go over to showtime and sign a multi fight deal. There and I had heard from Stephen Espinoza. They'd be willing to a one fight deal with android somebody do something. I don't care if this fights on the food network. Somebody do something to to have. Because I can't handle any more of these. These bad fight. These guys are at the beginning of the year. The zone held a press conference at an La Hotel where I've able to interview earnings and I have sent out the offer to Charles and I heard it was about seven million. Here's the issue and I liked the Charles. I actually one of the bigger advocates of them. I think are characters. I think that the two headed clubber Lang. We need guys like this. Were they lose though in a lot of other people as you? Can we see this a lot with certain BBC guys? You can't say that I'm Tony Danza. I'm the boss. I run my own show. I have my own promotional company and then when it comes to offer you say Call now wait a minute. Who's the boss see? That's that's the disconnect there. Don't tell me that you call your own shots like I was even told that when Cannella when golden boy banging my head on the Desk Matt Canal golden boy sent over an offer to Charl during the fall I heard his route. Seventy eight million dollars. Miner standing is Charles. Never got the offer so these things kind of make you wonder just who is in charge and in all fairness to these guys are. They even allowed to take these assignments. I have literally seen the email that was the offer to Charles so he he got it he got this offer so maybe he's GonNa get you know to spam spam box or maybe you know that's a to bring up some we discussed on texts but like the you know like could. Eddie do more like to to make this. This fight happened like he was. He was very personal with Mikey Garcia. And that's part of the reason it got done. He was sitting. You know he's invested in Mikey from day. One of all this courted. Mikey like he was girlfriend maybe purposes he is next week. He hasn't really done the same thing with Charlie spin kind of emails and whatever. He has been emails and Instagram drug messages. And I think that it's hard because like we said Eddie. Hearn is spread very thin. He has a lot of fighters. He's traveling over the globe every single week. I own anyone flies more than Nakai. And he's incredibly charming person. So yeah when you put the personal touch with Guy Mike Garcia. That's God done. Never would've done if uses emailing and direct messaging my Mike Garcia Jamaal. Charles needs to probably visit these guys in Texas but to your point. I mean I don't think I don't know why Turlough is calling eighty her name's if someone offers me a lot of money. I think them usually. Yeah and if you can't do with thank you I appreciate the offer while Guar- you offer me an incredible amount of money to fight somebody. I love to see the fight and I loved. Jamal turns your Motorola clubber. Lang is there so surly they're good looking guys they well. They're they're they have spread. These could be stars. But they have this weird Almost difference with Al Hayman as most famous Heyman fighters have. I had story a couple months ago when I talk spoke to Jamaal Charles and he said I'll is one of the best guys in the world. I'm pretty sure you tell me about any offer. Maybe would I don't know but I don't WanNa see by Chris eubank. I don't WanNa see anybody else. I want to see him. Fight the likes of Canal Alvarez. It could not go off into the meteors android and to your point android. Why does this Guy Cloud of the Gaetan show is is power and all the skills and then let's the guys just hang around? I mean killer was falling over his own feet. Yeah second time. It's done that so lucky. Looked like he was ready to go with. I Ralston dock. We dropped four times. Got The dog getting planet. I was weird. I was there for that. That was just like he told us over the devil who says the up getting four times Andrews over to one climbing the ring. Ropes find his over. When I go back on two thousand fourteen. He had a deal to fight one of the Charles on Showtime Banner Promotions and that and my understanding from already. Palolo that was going to lead to a much longer more lucrative packed any signs with ROC nation which I think the size of the ROC nation as a boxer has to be questioned guys. I don't think is Chris ever really recovered from that decision? Well I mean at this point at this point I think there are guys brazenly Buckingham because it's one thing to avoid a tricky fighter when he brings nothing to the table but entries bringing seven million belts. That's not nothing. And if you beat Dimitrius Android we talked about Kayla plant being a front for if Charles beat android some point this year. He's the frontrunner for Kale whether it's at one sixty or one sixty eight. He's the guy in that pole position so I don't really think we know our that wants sixty. I agree with you now. Let me just I WANNA get to that here. This kind of finish on at the risk of being dated because Mike. I think you and I can kind of agree that something's GonNa Happen. The next couple of days with with Canal Alvarez But I I. I think his future is at hundred sixty eight pounds full-time Maybe for the right fight he goes back to one seventy five and I don't think we see him at one sixty. Where do you think we are with With Canelo I agree succeed. He's he's going to be campaigning. There and I know that he wants bill. Saunders zone wants Billy Joe Saunders. But they are a little bit of the money right now and we'll see if they can get it done. We've SEEN GHOST JASON's golden boy dragging the path of famously last September really further damaging our relationship with Kamilo. And the money's really close but it's just They're squabbling over not much. I reported ninety five percent done and I know Kalmus calendar with remains in the mix. Personally I would rather see Billy Joe Saunders for all the reason that it's going to be a better promotion. Yeah Look Billy will talk and that that'll be interesting and presuming. They have the fight in Vegas. I think getting fans want that fight. Here's the thing prompters vans probably not. But I don't think they want it any more or less than Callum Smith who may have lost the John Writer kind of loud there as well. Here's the only thing I and I've said this tweeted. I've expressed the people that I work with over like. You HAVE TO HAVE CANAL. Alvarez's thumbprint and blood is going to fight Goliath. Get in September like you have to have that can L. O. Has said I saw a clip cut from him but he wants to fight Mirada but he wants to at the end of the year. Like and I think that's in play to like fighting Murad in like December In third fight like he would fight a a fault rocky fielding at that point but you have to have it signed in stone like with like his passport taken everything. Dad Go often in September. Because if you don't do in September and I've said this on this podcast before Steve. It's over gluskin is officially become washed. And that's the way it goes to that. I heard over the weekend that CANOVA's told people around him that he wants to go off in September. He wants to do it now but like I said. I think he's going to have to be a one sixty and I'm sure it's not going to be easy. That's his way of telling Golic and I'm still the boss here right that you'd think that'd be a problem for gluskin though. Like I don't know I just know gluskin spotted before and these two guys. Dig Egos at a very prideful. Maybe fight it on principle alone but I do think of often will go to sixty. I think despite gets done for September. Yeah. I've heard similar whispers there about the you know. About the the fondness. I guess in in Kino's camping Renault. So and those guys about having That fight take place. I I I would say the Glock and I'm like man look you've had like basically two gimmes and a tough tough fight in your six Mike Contract you either fight. Kello for X. Money are you fight majors android for rice? I think he'll choose Manche Harlow whatever either either way not making as much money as Wilfred Sixty eight in. September is a reasonable compromise by both sides. The other thing about Cannoli think Steve Real quick. He's he squeezed often enough like he wanted to make often suffer a little bit for all the things he said about him after the drug tests. Like you've squeezed him enough older vein inviting you. Proven your point. There's thirty thousand miles on the dominator. Now let's pick that car. The Blues Brothers drove to Chicago. Made him the life and death with Sergei like and. That's the first flight. When I was man he looks all got beat up and I don't know where he is physically right now. Going back to the whole canal with all these guys thinking they're going to school. I am sick and tired and disgusted on podcast this week. We need to let these fighters no I don't care. What Danny Jacobs got? Last year. He hit a score. A certain place in the market. Hit a different deal. None of you are required to ask the Danny Jacobs money and I think that was twelve and a half to fourteen million part of a package. I don't want to hear any guy saying well. The only offered me eight to nine nine to fight Kanalelo. Nobody feel sorry for you. We're not going to throw you a benefit. Go fight for one million. They getting knocked out by. Somebody say that's not too to punctuate with Rosta but like Charlie like toughest fight might be Chanko on that side of the street to Charles. How are you gonNa make seven million generous ward? That's that from that perspective. That's the worst bite you could take. If there's actually a chance of Galanga or Nello dangerous fight and driving tangles. We haven't talked spoken about another guy who deserves a shot. I thought he won the fight out. I mean I no problem with the decision but driven Shank if he's not going to get somebody whether yes get someone right this. I think one thing that I've heard from Janko side. And maybe for the same stuff as they they'd be willing to fight android if you gave them like to fight deal like you give them a one kind of comeback fight which. I'M A- As long as there's a reasonable financial number okay with after a tough fight like that. Galicians effectively getting a comeback fight now to even though it's a mandatory tell defense like if he's willing to fight android later this year I would give them that that comeback fight and then set up a pretty big fight with android which I think stylist who is a good fight to because of the way. Durban shakeup comes forward. Yeah and it's an I mean. Maybe answer is one of those guys despite down to the level of his opposition. I guess do maybe against the Tango. We have a great fight. Yeah at least something for meanwhile just by Charles Andrea. I'm GONNA have t shirts. I'm really GonNa see you walking around Vegas with Charlie we Andrew. I'll sign it in the lobby up. Would you rather see canola android over key eligible? Sorry drowsy Andris Turlough over canola trouble free at this point as far as we're pure here like as a boxing fan. I think I think I think can always a big favourite over gluskin in the third fight. I don't know what happens in Charl oversee. I tend to agree with you on that. The trajectory of career Look Google. Off is now thirty seven. I believe going on thirty eight now for the first time when I was there October. Fifth at the garden it's turned. There's no going back for Galactic and he's gone backwards but I mean. Look Chris You. You're on zone calls. How big without beef to finally deliver that fight. It'll be their biggest lead yet. They they almost have to. Point is a requirement for keeping this thing going. You know I mean it's it's what they paid all that money for. It's still as you guys know. It still has mainstream interest. The the casual boxing fans are very invested. That's the the money out there. Fellas always appreciate. It can check these guys out there. Podcast are available right now. We'll see guys in Vegas Fury Wilder. Ready to go. She'll go on.

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"David. James Murdoch has left the board of, News. Corp... In his words quote due to disagreements over certain editorial content. What I WanNa know is what particular piece of editorial content do you think was the final Straw? Man. He's at some point. He said he's going to see the test, the ability of making change from the inside I. Guess, this is this is baby the admission that that wasn't going to happen I. Don't know that there was one thing I mean. Is it any of the Tucker Carson highlights that we've discussed over the past six months system? What did I say Carson? Yeah. Does not have a Johnny Carson likes figure at eleven thirty. I record. I don't know some people put Tucker in that category. I I, think what interests me more about this and people are asking what he's next act is going to be what he's GonNa. Do what interests me most is that how we all feel like we have a much better understanding of what's going on at Newscorp because we've watched succession for two seasons like everybody thinks it's just a one to one and how it might be like I. Don't know. But like maybe they. have. Some very basic questions about this. That will I'm sure we'll never be answered but But Yeah I think at the end, I, think at the end of the day, the one, the one thing that shocked me the most that I think my succession viewing is sort of explained is that. That statement seems like a really my a really low key rebuke to your family's enterprise. If what you're trying to say is like F- y'All I'm out of here, but I guess when you see the sort of when he watched accessions sort of get a feel for the sort of. you know waspy cordiality. They'd like or just kind of everything sort of low key, but backhanded and loaded. May. Maybe that statement is just a real Stinger to everybody else in the Murdoch The Murdoch clan. Can you write? F-. y'All I'm out of here on company letterhead. Yeah and I mean listen. He's. He can. He can uses new companies letter out if you want to. But I think he could pull that off. I. Think. I. Would say like this just caught up with waters world F- y'All. I'm out of here. This is the press box a part of the ringer podcast network. Elo Media Consumers, Bryan Curtis, and David Shoemaker with a lot of great stuff for you. Today I up talk show host and Comedian Ellen Degeneres is facing criticism after two articles and buzzfeed about the work environment at her show. We traced comedians path through the media plus legendary new. York. TIMES, Sportswriter IRA Berko joins us to talk about column writing. Red. Smith Isaiah. Thomas, and the boxer Jake Lamotta. All that. Plus David guesses a strain pun headline in the overwork twitter joke of the week. David, let's start with Joe Biden search for a running mate, which will end next week supposed to be this week at first off, I propose that we avoid the term veepstakes. which has a US, news and World Report One thousand nine hundred eighty eight kind of vibe to it. Biden his down to five front runners. We think Comma Harris. Elizabeth Warren. That's kind of tier one. Then representative Karen. Bass of California Senator Tammy Duckworth of Illinois and former National Security Adviser Susan. Rice also in the hunt. Though a Biden campaign source told political on, Sunday that eleven women are still being considered. Beyond the politics David, there's a fascinating media story here. Have you spent the last week like me trying to figure out WHO's ahead by the way they're portrayed in the various articles. There's a lot of different algorithms I think play right now. I'm not exactly sure. Explain to me what you mean by that. Well, I think this is the simplest one, the likelihood that Biden will pick you to be his running mate is inversely related to the likelihood. You will pick up a phone win reporter calls to ask you about your chances. So the more the more available you are the less likely you are Yeah, right. I'll go. That would just follows common sense because if you're Harris who by the way has not picking been picking up the phone, you're like I've got a really good shot at this. I don't want to have an interview with some weird gaffer or some problem that me out. But if you're Karen Bass and you were a very long shot contender, seemingly a couple of months ago and you want to gain ground, you do interviews right and maybe try to make up some of the distance between between you and harass. Does that make sense? Yeah. That totally that that that that fits into whatever political game theory. Pretty nicely thing. Yeah. Duckworth rise and Bassa, both appearing on. Sunday shows giving comments, newspapers and magazines basically lobbying for themselves in Public Harris and Elizabeth Warren almost saying nothing big story media. Wise. This week was. Clearly. Something is afoot with team by or I should say elements at team Biden to warn him away from Kamala Harris big politico story. Last Thursday by Natasha Correctly Christopher Catalog Lago. Home saying that right Marc Caputo story was as David? Chris Dodd former senator from Connecticut. WHO's helping Biden asked Comma. Harris about her famous attack against Biden on busing in that debate way back when quoting from politico. Harris laughed and. And said, that's politics. She had no remorse. Dodd told a longtime biden supporter and donor related the exchange of political on the condition of anonymity. Dodd. Felt it was a gimmick that it was cheap. The donor said the person added the dodge concerned about Harrison were so deep that helped elevate Karen Bass during the vetting process urging Biden depicted because quo cheese a loyal number two, and that's what Biden really wants. And didn't that story set off a giant firestorm this week. Of Not. Only media lobbying. But I felt like sort of reverse recriminations and anti media lobbing This I. Mean, there's always two ways to look at this stuff right and especially in this. This situation I mean, let's it should come on Chicago. Harris Be Formerly apologetic to look like she groveling to get this nomination or is it much more appropriate for her to just be like? Take the that's politics route because her job as vice president, I mean, as candidate for vice-president is going to some extent going to be you know hatchet person? You know I mean she's that she's going to need to be as remorseless as you know, any good state prosecutors should be. Yeah, I. could just as see her argument being like, wait a second. Don't you want me to do that to Mike Pence? In the vice presidential debate, do you want me to don't you want me to have like a viral moment where I leave him tongue-tied? and completely unprepared for an attack, and that is not to mention as you just said, the unsavory sort of resonance of this whole thing of why isn't Kamla? Harris? Appropriately apologetic to Joe Biden for running for president that said, there is clearly something happening within the Biden camp about Comma Harris. Right now, in may be nothing. It may be that some people think that Biden is GonNa pick her right, and this is the chance to somehow you know the these doubts out there in not only to bite himself but into public. But there is something happening at some level bigger small with Biden Comma Harris listen. This is nothing new. We see this every cycle and actually more frequently than that, and maybe I'm just sort of. You know, I've been driven mad by the past four years, but it does seem to be if not unsavory, which is I. Guess Par for the course like just politically unnecessary to be using media to contact your candidate and the way that everyone that works for president, trump has to do right I mean, doesn't I mean because that's clearly what's going on. We can argue over the side, so we can argue over the objectives, but that's clearly what's happening here. I mean everything that we see is being planted for some good reason. Jon favreau former Obama's peanut butter podcast superstar. He tweeted last week. He said, you know you don't have to answer the DM from the reporter when they. If you're if you're in the Biden campaign, they call to ask you about what you think about the vice presidential process to which I would say. please. Don't not answer the Deanne from the reporter. You're right. Politic. Politically, you don't have to do that journalistically. We would like to encourage everyone to talk as much as humanly possible. We want information. We. Don't. We don't want anybody clamming up I. Guess The question though is it like to what degree is it information? I, mean, obviously, it's like content, but is it information immunization? Like? Are we learning anything from this? So that's a question. Right when when something like this gets out. Are we learning something useful. As reporters and or media consumers, or are we just getting something? That's like? So agenda driven and slanted. That, it's actually you know sort of like clouding our minds about the vice presidential selection. uh-huh. I mean a enough when this stuff about Harris. Is Being said I have seen. Super legitimate reporters say by enough people that it's not nothing. Right? It's it is worth noting that this is happening within the Biden team. Even if intimately picks Harris like that seems important. These questions are being asked that there are people within team buying the that are skeptical about Harris, and again, I'm not I'm not saying that's right or wrong Bryan, and again in the belief in the way, it's phrasing, it seems pretty Kuku but the I. Guess That's useful to know. But then how much does that just overwhelm? Let's say what the consensus is. Maybe there's an eighty five percent consensus that, yes, Harris's the best choice she is absolutely the best choice I will add this to David the press. which is thought about a lot of these candidates for months clearly flat-footed on Karen Bass. A name we had not heard much at all. And start digging into her background. Well, guess what? There's a video of Karen Best saying vague complimentary things about scientology at a ceremony for the reopening of a building in two, thousand, ten Bass's come back and said, this is before much of the reporting on scientology that has quote His group. The Atlantic's Edward Isaac devere report on Friday. The Bass quotes spent part of the nineteen seventies working construction in Fidel. Castro's Cuba with the Vincent Memos. Brigade, a group that has organized trips, annual trips to Cuba, young left US Americans for half a century. Bass has now come out and backtracked on statements. She has made about Castro Sang in effect. No, you do not a hand it to Castro. There's that. Then there's this whole thing that Biden is going to be eighty two years old when he runs for re-election. If he runs for reelection. There's this whole SORTA subplot. Right? Does Joe Biden wants to anoint his successor. Or does he want to pick somebody like Karen Bass has come out and said I don't want to run for president and therefore sort of leave it open. To a whole host of candidates and twenty, twenty four. So wait the presumption being he's he's regardless going to make the implicit statement that he's a one termer by by the way that he chooses not his his vp either be. This is the team for the next eight years even though I won't be here the next for the following four or. He's going to pick a vice president where they both project. This is a one term deal. There's. The. Pretty Much I. Mean there's been a lot of head nods from him. Right? That I may just go one term and then the question is first of all, Dude, you got to win in November. First of all, let's not. Let's not get past the small matter. The November election Then also should you really be playing four chest to try to tell us who the nominee is going to be or should you just pick somebody? Who's GonNa help you win? And deal with that media task, I. Think the latter I, mean I think that it's Especially, as we kind of barrel towards the the general. We're getting out of the weeds of primary season where we had a lot of a lot more time and and pre corona virus a lot more time in mental investigative journalistic energy to spend on those sorts of. Semi. Inane Gotcha questions or lines at lines of questioning, and I think that this point he just needs to have a pat answer ready for the debate, but it really I think bring it up. Now only underlines the problem at half of it. I. I agree really do couple more notes to leave you with us new. York. Times notes that trump has been flailing around trying to find a nickname for Biden or any charge that will really help him make up ground in the polls, and so part of the vice presidential selection, the none dare call it a veepstakes is you don't WanNa, pick a running mate. Then just offers a ripe target to trump. Or? If you've. If you've been bobbing and weaving his trump's tried to hit you. You don't want to offer somebody else up. That's just tons and tons of nicknames and Opera Research. So obviously, Biden his. Thinking about that at some level, the thing I think I would just say is that what we're seeing the media is it not is a tiny snapshot of what is happening privately. People are lobbing Joe Biden alight crazy including. I think the candidates themselves. So then we get a tiny snapshot of that. Process. In the press. And if it seems super crazy and super intense, it's because it's super crazy and superintendents behind the scenes. Don't you? Absolutely there. This stuff is either you know planted aurait just trickles out because we're maximum capacity of whatever backstage goings on there are, and often both things at the same time. But yeah, I mean. There are. I don't know I feel like they're trying to threat thousand needles right now and even trying to answer a simple question from wherever were sitting it. Nothing's that easy where we in this podcast have had two or more takes on every question that we've asked I'm here looking at the list and he political has a tracker up which doesn't do a lot to actually answer any questions about what who the vice presidential pick is going to be. But I. was just wondering like looking at the polls. If the polls are correct. If by the Biden campaign believes oppose or correct. If you know as was reported today, the quickly approaching window for early voting is going to spell potential doom for the trump campaign of all these things are true and you would think, well, the Biden campaign just needs to go with the safe pick, right? The safe. Pick. What does even what what even does that mean right is it is. This is the safe pick. Comma. Harris, because she's got the best. Rating or whatever or is the is the is the safe pick I mean, I can't. Even I mean. Is it Karen Bass because she's like so unknown that she can't possibly maybe not after what you've been talking about, but you know, is it a Kisha lands bottoms? It's somebody who has just like you know a decent favorability rating. But mostly in knowing never heard of her I mean is that the way to go it's just impossible to tell totally totally and and anybody anybody could turn as we've seen an numerous times, right? Anybody could turn into. A net negative or just kind of a nonentity like Tim Caine was for years ago are good. Are You nonentity I mean? You could argue that in in a bunch of different directions, right? I mean. It's I mean I think I heard a lot of people at least in the post mortem say that that it was. A, it made Hillary looked like she was worried about taking someone on who had more charisma than her. So you know there's a lot of there's a million ways you can look at everything right and and regardless of the safety of the pick and regardless of the polls, regardless of the genius potential genius of the pick, it's going to be dissected every different direction I guess, and that's probably what's making him take. So long right now, they're just gaming it out when you use the phrase threading of needles. Things to me because I think as reporters. That's what we're doing. Right. We're trying to like just figure out all these things has anything Joe Biden said or done in his campaign so far evoked the phrase threading of needles to you. Know, right. Like doesn't. He just seems like he just gotTa being Joe, Biden and. We're being Joe Biden and very limited amounts. Sure. But he. But he did. You know he did start talking about the potential for one term before he even got in the race. Right? A Lotta. These conversations happen. But was released. Yeah. It may articles get it. You know as borne out to be true or is true as anything can be right now. So. There had to be some truth to that point he. said, he was going to have a female vice president certainly before he needed to. There was no obligation from to say that. So he's he setting his own parameters to a certain extent, but you're right I, mean Joe, the Biden campaign is. Not. Exactly. Meticulous. But they but they are setting I mean. My guess is that this is a meticulous process and you know I. Don't think he's boxed himself in with either of those considerations or anything else. But. It's got to be part of the discussion. You know who the winners are this. Everybody writing a campaign book. Because we could see a campaign dude like right now, what Biden plus nine? Basically just truck gone ahead and wind up as Biden plus five. Are, Biden plus four and not have a lot of shall we say like back and forth you know gripping chapters narratives, but guess what Chris Dodd just got a whole chapter in the campaign book. Chris Dodd's mission to undermine comma hairs that just became a whole chapter. Yup, that's that's absolutely true I. Mean, this is this is the stuff that's campaign books are made of it's. There's so much going on right now though I mean, it's so hard for us to take a breath to find a segment on the show to really concentrate on this. The world is bonkers right now and I wonder to what degree these such books I mean. This is inside baseball to some into the INSTAGRAM. But I wonder to what degree those these campaign books are going to be traditional campaign books. This season, that's another press box segment that we will do some time. All right David Time for the overwork twitter joke of the week where we celebrate a gag that was so obvious. that. All of media twitter. made it exactly the same time nominees to at the press box pot where they're always gratefully received. David. Let's start with some breaking wrestling news. The Rock. Aka, dwayne. Johnson. Is Part of a group that has bought the spring football. League the XFL. Big, News for David's other podcasts about a lot of for this one. Is this an episode of ballers? A. Finally, the Rock has come back to pro football, and this is my favorite. It doesn't matter that the xfl collapsed twice. Is it. There's gotTa be a joke in the old lake like he hate me xfl. Thing. It literally doesn't matter what your name is. You could just whatever you want in the back of your. Oh, that's really good check at David Shoemaker for that gag, listen I I don't know if I'm embarrassed abroad to admit that I've never actually watched ballers. But I am informed that this is actually as a plot in ballers I, think I think that I think that the rocks character tried to go against the NFL at some point I could I could be totally wrong about that. Thanks to our friends, Hugh Hopkins, Alan, corridor, WWe Trivia Te'o and Jess Anderson for sending that in. In other News David Tropical Storm. Isaiah's is bearing down on the Carolinas where it may become a hurricane. It was an overweight twitter joke Desai and right? Oh, a hurricane moving up toward the US. So on brand for twenty twenty. Thanks to Fox's Shane Bacon, there's a whole category of over were twitter jokes. Now, they're just a bad thing is happening to us how typical that is that we we need to give that a name and finally David the, Lincoln. Project AKA those Republicans who make clever ads against trump. Posted a picture of the trump children on twitter Ivanka, Eric and Don Jr., and they said name this band. A lot of funny responses as you might imagine, but my favorite was a from our old friend and colleague Trayvon free. Are. You Ready, Lady Anti Blm. Give that man Manda Crown. Fantastic. If you kept the lady eight jokes alive for one more week, God. Bless you. Congrats you made the overwork twitter joke of the week before we do the notebook David, let's pause for a brief commercial break. David. If you've been dealing with acne redness, dark spots, wrinkles finding treatment that works can be complicated. You need skin-care that actually performs beginning started can be overwhelming. Thankfully, there's a solution. Roman makes it convenient to get customized prescription skin care that really performs just grab your phone or your computer, complete a free online consultation, and you'll hear back from a USO licensed physician within twenty four hours. 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Story has had two years of what in the old days we'd call bad press But today is more like stuff that you and I kinda saw or half saw on twitter and seeped into our minds and I don't know about you. But I had this feeling even before the buzzfeed stories came out of just like man I'm really disappointed in Ellen. Degeneres. And I couldn't have even told you why. It was just sort of osmosis somebody I liked thought I, and now I don't the Ellen. Show I learned in this article has been on the air seventeen years, which is pretty amazing. Her sign off be kind to each other, which is reminiscent of the Jerry Springer sign off. The first stage of this, David, was people calling out Ellen on television. This is from last November Allen had actor Dakota Johnson on the show. Listen to a little bit of this Awkward Exchange. It's good to see you. Happy Birthday. When was your birthday? October four before. You turn thirty I did and. How was the party? I wasn't invited? Actually known. That's not the truth. lmu You were invited mask. No last time. I was on the show last year. You gave me about not inviting you, but I didn't even know you wanted to be invited. To a party mine didn't even know you liked me. Of course I like you. You Knew I. Liked you. You've been on the show many times and don't I show like. But I did invite you and you didn't come. So this time you invited me. Yeah. Are you sure you? Know I don't think. So ask everybody. Jonathan. Producer. Okay. Where I nine? Why didn't I go? I don't know. Was it was it. Had that thing. A little bit of one, thousand, nine, hundred David Letterman edge to that interview is they're not. Yes. Totally, that was. I mean. Okay. She's been doing this for seventeen years. I'm sure a lot of this is just off the cuff at this point or you know just. Automated and it always works out right. But this it's this is just so strange. They give this happened on. This feels like season like season, one of Jimmy Kimmel where they didn't know what they were doing and like snoop Dogg, was there. You know like I don't and it had this great incredible energy to it, but that's not what Ellen is. Right. It's not this like antic anything could go anything can happen and it probably will energy and she's not trying. Presumably she's not, this is the craziest. Presumably, she's not trying to make Dakota Johnson. To, ruin this interview, right. So the best case scenario is almost that she was I, guess could be about it Nicole coach, but she was not prepared for the answer. It just seems like she's kind of trying to. Bully, Dakota Johnson, under the a behind the shield of like to Johnson can't. Come back at her on on her own state. It's very true and and then it made it to air, which is even weirder. Yeah, and I was impressed. They left it in to to the credit of the Ellen show. Yeah, and just would echo to Johnson is saying they're in so many words like you got mad last time. I was here because I didn't invite you to my birthday party and then I did and it turns out what you were saying before it was was a total bit because you didn't even come see. We're actually man, you don't actually really seemingly want to be my friend I mean that was that was. That was the undertone on the other thing about Alan and emily are points out his happen is people have started to talk about her as wait you're more of an ambassador to famous people. Then you are someone who stands up for what they believe in January two, thousand, nineteen, she had Kevin Hart on the show after heart had lost his Oscars hosting gig. For. Homophobic tweets. Ellen as your rights seemingly forgave him called his critics, haters was a little too easy on him for some people's taste. Twenty nineteen you'll remember this David degeneracy shown at a Dallas cowboys game sitting next to George W Bush and a good time with George W Bush. She addressed that on the show a few days later. But. A lot of people were mad and they did what people do when they're mad. They tweet and but here's one tweet that I loved. This person says Ellen and George Bush together makes me have faith in America again. Fleet. Here's the thing I'm friends with George Bush. In fact, I'm friends with a lot of people who don't share the same beliefs that I have. We're all different and I think that we've forgotten that. That's okay that we're all different. That's all fine. I. Mean I think at the time. We all knew this was a little bit overblown although. It was another sort of drop in the bucket. Right and I guess it's more shocking Verte say, Oh, you know what I'm front. I said more shocking that she's friends with George? W. Bush, not that I was laughing with him in a sky box. But I'm friends with him. Yeah. That was that was just surprising to me and to not address the lgbtq rights issues inherent in this at all sort of seem sort of odd. But I think to me it's just listen she's a talk show host. This was the appropriate place for her to address it but. and. We all and celebrities and all human beings address these things in the way. That is probably that that. Gives. them the the best audience for their apologies, but there is something just inherently. Funny, I guess about doing it literally in front of an audience who is literally whooping for you as you're as you're giving your apology to the world, you know it's it's it's a well, I mean is literally staged. I. Guess when we should also note that this criticism of generous is basically the opposite of the first one. The first one was, she's very nice. The second criticism was she's too nice to. George. W Bush. Is Actually, the opposite thing, which is really interesting couple more. There was a couple more tweets about you know about her and all this kind of stuff. Then the reporting comes in a pair of buzzfeed articles, Christie, Lee, and Doley. She wrote in one of them that the office that is the Office of the Ellen show is a place where sexual harassment and misconduct by top executive producers runs rampant Ellen released a statement about that actors like Brad, Garret Lee, Thompson David, tweeting out criticism this week of degeneracy. I expected to read, and then the course inevitable endpoint is a British tabloids saying that Ellen Show Ellen on her show could be replaced by James Corden at any moment. Feels I just kind of the obligatory like tabloid story. That actually happens or not. I think one thing I. Mean I think on the one hand, we can put into one category. The stuff in buzzfeed that was happening behind the scenes on the show because that's gross and no one at any workplace should have to endure that kind of treatment if. There is other thing that's happening here too that I think is a little bit separate, which is that. Essentially, there are expectations of how somebody who on a daytime talkshow should be should act. Is there not that are different from somebody in another format like David Letterman was an asshole for years and years and years and applauded for being an asshole right But there are some expectation that if you're doing the daytime talk show thing you're not allowed. You just not allowed by the audience to be like that is something they are. Do you think? Will Yeah onscreen personas are obviously not the same as offscreen personas. But I, mean, I mean, think of all the you know. TV. Shows, cartoons, movies over the years of the talk show host or whatever, where the the cameras turn off and go from smiling, smoking a cigarette and slapping their assistant or whatever I mean that that in itself is a sort of trope that I think we're interested in and and certainly it's a, it's a, it's a betrayal, but but the dichotomy is going to be interesting I. Mean I remember for me I. Don't know if this was certainly not the first time it popped up into my radar, but journalistically when the. The stories came out at the very beginning of the corona virus quarantine where she was filming the show and I'm GonNa get some of this. Wrong. She was filming the show I guess from her home, but was like not exactly union busting, but using some like different camera people and producers or whatever than her normal crew who she can, you know publicly considered her family and sort of leaving buddy everybody else in the lurch, and that's when I I. Remember reading that Little Story and there wasn't a ton there but thinking like. This is when the the the rest of the journalists start moving right they. They spring into action there like there's something going on here. There's a story. There's a story that can be told, and especially if you look at like the buzzfeed which are fantastic. You know there's a lot of outlets like that. That would be willing to publish that piece if it were half of what it was. Right? I mean there's like everybody's looking for at that point. Once he started looking for this stuff. If you can find anything especially on a show like Allen's that has such cultural significance, it. You know it's a story worth telling. Our Evan, IRA burkhas work from the new. York Times and other places. He joined the press box got into everything from Red Smith. Isaiah. Thomas, which means that we pretty much covered the waterfront. Here's IRA. I. Roberto is a Fabulous Sports writer and columnist whose career spanned twenty six years at the new. York Times and many more beyond in his new book. How Life Imitates Sports. You can read about such athletes as Mohammed Ali, Lebron James Jackie Robinson, and OJ Simpson. But Iran other named caught my eye. You've got to be one of the only sports writers whose book comes with a blurb from novelist. Saul bellow, who said I follow I, Roberto, and the Times with unfailing interests. How did how did? Did that come about. Well, you know I'm originally from Chicago and and so it was Bello well actually born in Montreal, but he moved to Chicago and his five and he grew up in Chicago and and Chicago is the basis for so much of his writing and I was doing a book about a street in Chicago where I worked as a boy called Maxwell Street, and he was fond of the street. It was like an old world marketplace in Chicago and I called him. I know that he had. Was a picture was taken with Belo on Maxwell Street, and so I contacted. This is nineteen seventy. Five, seventy six and I contacted him for with thoughts. He had about the street, but and so that evolved into a a relationship which we would trade letters and I I never, and then he he wrote me and and and I took that quote from a letter that he sent to me and He also said, he loved my book. Maxwell Street. So I was delighted with that and I had never met him and we talk on the phone a few times and we exchanged. Correspondence, and then I decided I, I, I was going to Boston for something and he was now in living in Boston and he was he had been. at Boston University. So. I called his home. or his office and someone who was working with him said that he is near death and and and can talk and that was the closest I got to meeting him but We had a, we actually had a a warm relationship and I was and I was delighted to learn that that he read my stuff. Absolutely. I like this. You Start in sports writing with the Minneapolis. Tribune in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, five at that point. What did you WanNa be when you grew up? Well, I actually growing up in Chicago and well I. I was a baseball and basketball player in high school. I was kept it in my high school basketball team and cargo publicly Sullivan. High. School But I soon realized that I wasn't going to have a future in in in sports in and and playing anyway and then I wanted I had no direction. I wanted to be a I thought I'd be a lawyer I read about Clarence Darrow who was also Chicago and and it seemed intriguing and and Dramatic Really to a lawyer and the lawyer Clarence Darrow was. So I went the way to, but then I eventually went to college at Miami Ohio, and by a cork of circumstances I got on the school paper as junior and started writing, and then I was given column. And I, thought Oh my God. This is terrific. This is fun, and so I started writing and then I decided to write re. I read restaurants in Chicago, sometimes, I, I, read him because I thought he was Chicago writer at first I didn't realize was syndicated and I just started reading them in the sports pages. On my God, he was fat goes down, I realized that he was a syndicated writer out of New York and so I. I sent away. I two of my columns I pay said I put. In an envelope and wrote to read Smith the care of the New York Herald Tribune, this is flexible paper and I am a critique stuff I mean out of the blue, you know I mean who? Who Am I? You know I mean but Anyway did it and and I I I waited up. Easily, a month month and a half, and then I got a response and as A. Berko when I, when I was a cub reporter in Milwaukee and writing a lead, the the managing editor would or the city under would come by and look over my shoulder, and if you liked what he saw not to walk away. And if you didn't eat, say try again, my advice was trying to get. Good. Eggs. Yeah, and it was it was honest. But it was sweet and and then he he made He said there are a couple of things that I would. Pinpoint he said but but keep doing it your way and and and God, bless Red Smith Oh. He did say I was gonNA write in marginal criticisms, but they would not have made you. Happy. and. So So. It might depress it the Great Red Smith didn't like my stuff or or was I- excited that that that took the time you know to respond to me? So I decided that The ladder, and so I got both of my those columns that I had sent him, I pay them up on paper them into an envelope, and with a note there Mr Smith please make me unhappy. and. And and we developed a correspondence and a friendship and and when I when I came to New York, we saw each other We saw each other on occasion but it was still distant I mean he was still, but he was a mentor to me and and. Then we overlapped at the Times for a oh about nine months. And he was getting sick and they were asking me to substitute for him sometimes, which was incredible and So I did and then I'm writing a column was January Fifteenth Nineteen, Eighty, two, I'm home writing a column and the sports editor called and said IRA. We've got some bad news at read died. And and we want you to write his obituary. He said, we have an obituary on file but we we don't like it and We'd like you to write. and so this is like two or three o'clock in the afternoon. At a no prey on line. Six. Thirty. and. Maybe maybe it was maybe a little earlier maybe even o'clock I don't remember it because I, said, well, I I, I can write it from home I have all the material I mean. I've saved stuff with. Ritz has columns and also read some correspondence with me. And they said, no, we want you to come in the office because the whole countries and. Sending in Opinions about him and and from senators and I, don't know. So they said, why don't you to come in the office? So I, I jumped in a cab and I came to the office. And and I just started writing and And this was January fifteenth and I wrote, it was kind of a long piece and I also included. I, said he was. He was gracious to college students, any growth to one of them and I quoted from a letter written to me and was mentioning my name and then and the next morning I was getting the paper delivered at my doorstep. In my apartment. And So I. Got up early to see how they ran my the the jewelry that I wrote, and so I went to the open it up and quickly went to the sports section. And there was nothing in the sports section, and then there was an obituary page inside, i. went there and there was nothing there. I. Was I said my God what they do, and then I I pulled a paper backup and on the front page of the New York Times January, Sixteenth Nineteen, sixty, two below. The fold was my obituary, Smith and Iran. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. You Got The Times in eighty one and the Times looks at sports differently than other newspapers I. Think it's fair to say how would you describe the role the sports section within the New York Times? Well at the time one of the reasons they said they hired me and hired Red Smith earlier was They wanted to live up the sports section that they've thought it was dull, and so they're trying to hire writers know. That could liven things up and. And I was one of those and so but it was it was the gray lady, the Good Gray Lady, a a give you an example. and it was ninety. We, can check on those ninety, one, ninety, two, I, think when? Reggie Jackson was traded or or or left to be a free agent from the Yankees and they assigned better. Felt he was over the hill. So he and then he was signed by the Los Angeles or the California Angels and first time back to New York, Reggie, and Reggie's having that good season so far was early in the season. Maybe April May and it comes up to bat and he hits his at Yankee Stadium. It's his first home run. And and as he starts to around the basis, a chance, the starts in left field and right field where he hit the ball and it went all around the park and Steinbrenner, is standing right outside of his. Office facing the field. And he's there and the chant was steinbrenner sucks. Steinbrenner. Sucks N-. Okay. And it went all around and it was chilling and so I and I was reading the column that day, and so I wrote I wrote it I wrote. Steinbrenner, sucks. It was changed to the. The crowd was chanting a pejorative. So. Demure. But you know I think I. Think now I think now they would have run time Brenner. Sucks because just just just was two weeks ago or so when this congressman Yoho Confronted Cossio of Alexandria the Congresswoman A. Court does and and she said he called me a fucking bitch and that was in the New York Times. So. You know I. Mean I think things things are changing to some degree a year ago, a sub head, and then in the story, they called the trump They call them for lying and they used the word Liar. That's right. So it is has loosened up a little bit. You find when you're writing for the Times that players read the paper or are they reading the post and the Daily News? Okay. So I was friendly with Dave Righetti. Pitcher for the Yankees and I got to be friendly with them because when the Yankees sent down to the minor leagues I went down and do a story on the minor league, and if you are do something with somebody when they're in the minor leagues, somehow or other was like it's like you're in the Foxhole in the army and and so you're you're sort of friends. You have a connection for life. So anyway went now he's back with the Yankees. and. So I go over to them at his locker and I had a question for him. And he said, IRA's said if I tell you this then then the guys in the rest of the guys are going to read it and they're going to get pissed off. So I, I really can't tell you. and. So I looked at it. The best thing to do in a situation like that is to say nothing. So I looked at him, he looked at me, I looked at him. He looked at me and he said, you know these guys don't read the new? York Times I'll tell you. But. The thing is that they will if if you said something negative in some way maybe or maybe positive, but mostly negative. Somehow. Dips, they don't read the paper they learn about it. They find out about it. Right? It's quoted something. Yeah. I mean friends of Friends of theirs will tell them Oh God. Did you see what that blank blank Berko wrote about you today you know. but but but signed better. Better but sang, Brenner was great because I, mean he was such easy pickings for a columnist you know to knock and. One day, there's a some event I indoor event some gala or something and and I was there and I saw George and. I walked over to him. I said George. I have a question for you. He said Iran remember. Am I talking to you or am I not talking to you? I said George I can't believe they don't you remember you're talking to me? Is it? Okay. Okay. that. He told me. You get to the times few months. Later, you start writing these sports of the Times column. Would you WANNA do differently with your column that others may be weren't doing her head done before? nothing. I. I. I I wanted to just right to the best of my ability to write on the level not aping, but on the level of red. Smith. I mean to that kind of of of of Shall I say literary? I mean but Just just the right, well, just to right well, and to capture the moments, the moods, and also then also to to be honest and to be a forthright And I think that we you, and I actually had at some previous time. They talked about something that I'd done with Tonya harding. And and I? Think this is an example of of trying to be forthright. And you remember when Tonya Harding was. There was a question about whether she should go to the Olympics are not. And because it was, she involved with the the needs of her number. One opponent Nancy Kerrigan. And the whole country new in quotes that. Tonya harding was involved. And I had some experience in being in Chicago of a murder suspect and and in headlines in the Chicago papers that This guy did the murder and the Sheriff Cottam and it was a whole thing and and they were going to you know send them to the electric chair eventually. Well, it turned out that he didn't do it at all. There was a lot of evidence that seemed like he did. Including a confession, but he didn't do it. And I was seventeen years old reading the story and and Tonya harding now is saying that she had no involvement with with this hitting of her opponent and and so That was an influence on me and and I was one of the few sports writers in the country that said, there's not enough evidence to prove that that she knew beforehand or that she was involved in this. So and it turns out that she did go the Olympics and it turned out that she was convicted eventually of knowing afterward that she never had prior knowledge that she. Of The incident of it was ex husband who was involved in it and and that was that was one example of trying to be forthright Another example that you can't take what everybody is saying at one point and when Michael Jordan's father was murdered he was he pulled off the side of a road to to fall asleep and apparently two guys came in and murdered him. But at the point, we didn't know what what had happened and Jordan had been involved in some gambling incidents at that time and So I was writing a column that day and the the the deputy sports that are actually said, we you gotta write that Jordan's. That the murderers and the and the gambling We're we're connected in some way. Well, we didn't know this. We didn't know this at all and I wrote and I wrote that the only thing we do know cause at this point, all we know is that the father was murdered his car. Okay, and so I said the only thing that we do know. Is that Michael Jordan and his father. had a very deep affection for each other and that and what what this means to to Michael and so and so I wrote that rather than writing, you know there has to be a connection a to gambling well, So USB a very good question earlier on, and the thing is you know to write to write honestly and and to not take leaps if you unless you're certain about what you're writing about us another one that really that I remembered and went back and looked up before we talk. Talk Nineteen eighty-seven the Lakers are about to play the Celtics in the finals and Isaiah Thomas Piston Star. Another fellow Chicagoan made a comment had made a comment about Larry Bird, Isaiah's yeah, I. Think Larry's a very, very good basketball player in exceptional talent, but I'd have to agree with Dennis Rodman if bird was black, he'd be just another good guy. Of course, I went in for a lot of criticism. You call him up for a sports of the Times column. Can you tell us what you were thinking with that? I. I call them, You know I mean people were were knocking. is a and I. I had a relationship with Isaiah early on I interviewed him when when he was in college and I called them and And he said to me, he said I, he i. I misspoke away. that you know we lost the game and we lost in the last second Isaiah throwing a bad pass It was intercepted by by bird and through to to one of his who was a dentist. The other guards. The. Johnson made the basket that that that one game for the for the Celtics and So Isaiah, was was sort of down in the in the locker room when that happened and that Dennis Rodman. Rookie, at the time, but just mouth off. And Isaiah said that. That you know people people think of of black athletes Key dribbling out of their mother's womb. You know that that they have no intelligence. Really, they just have great physical talent and he said I, guess all of that came to afford in in my head and I. I just I. I said that and look at Larry. Bird's a great player. And and you know and so and I wrote that column and. I was happy to say that I was nominated for Pulitzer Prize and And I I got finals for the commentary and and that column was the lead column for the ten at the the time submitted But. So now the Celtics are in the playoffs instead of the Pistons. And I'm in Los Angeles and I'm GonNa have my laptop, and I'm going to get the press bus. In the hotel and in the Cordo hotel I hear Iran I turn around, and that's Isaiah Thomas. He's a I said is what? what's going on and he said, well, I was asked to be on halftime Brent musburger interview me, Halftime, playoff game and talk about. The incident. And I said and he said to me, could we can we talk? So I said, okay. Come back on my rooms. It went back in that room and I, and the the essence of this was that He said, what, what should I say? And I said I. Tell the truth it's only the truth that people are going to believe. and so he went on and and I i. didn't hear it. So I I'm not sure what he said, but he may have equivocated to a degree, but I'm told the entire truth, but I also remember one of the things. That was in the in the room. I crossed my leg and and he said you're wearing socks. I said Yeah. And, and he pulled up his pants and A. Of. His Ankle, he was not wearing socks. It was you know it was the the fashion at the time for cool guys not to wear socks and so before leaving, you said, why are you wearing socks? Sportswriter. That's. Are you wearing socks? That's great. That is great. Nineteen eighty-five Ira Las Vegas, you're there for the Marvin Hagler, Thomas, hearns, boxing match was a huge fight at the time. You also wound up covering these sixth wedding of Jake Lamotta, a column that is selected here, Jake, Lamont of course of the guy. Robert De Niro played in raging bull. How did you wind up there and I've always wondered when you were when you were at this wedding? Are You thinking Oh my God? This is going to be an incredible college. Yeah. No. What happened was I was there for the fight and I had known a lot of not a not great, but not enough, and so any new reporter and I. So so what's up Jay when I saw him, so I'm getting married. This evening. I see you're getting. No kidding. You've been married a few times says, yeah, I was six or seven, th wedding. and. So he's coming up. I. So he told me where the hotel was nearby. It was I was saying Caesar's Palace, and he was at a nearby hotel. So I thought what the hell you know. I was always told when I started in the new server business be there because you never know what's going to happen. You know be there wherever it was go to the ball game, go to So I I just dropped in I. was to just look around and then I was to go to dinner. It was like six o'clock six thirty. And turned out that all these old fighters were there. I mean Joey. Maxim and. Tony Zale and. got Oh and a comedy Basilica Carmen Basilio. All of them were there and it was and I didn't have a notebook 'cause I was just going to go to drop in have dinner and and and then I walked around and it was the funniest funniest thing and They were just great just before. The vows Jake was with his wife. OR WIFE TO BE. In the the preacher was there and the phone rang somewhere. In this this room, the phone rang and Jake steps forward says what round is. Amazing. Yeah, it was. It was amazing and I said that Jake I said I said Jake. Your your wife is better looking than you are, and he said she better be. And and Carmen. Carmen Basilio who was the middleweight champion he lived in kind of Soga New York. I asked him if he if he ever went to college. And he said I went to the the school of H, N. He wanted to school of h n will. What's that? He said hard knocks. It went on and on. So I wrote I rent. So what happened was this was such good stuff. I ran back to the hotel. I, just started writing the story. You know a writing notes and then and then wrote my story and and it was made front page of the sports section, of course, and it said, and the title was the of nuptials. And if If you don't mind my my saying so that when David Halberstam put together Best American sports writing of the century he included that column. which was funny yeah. The. On. The podcast last week Iran, she told us to even decades after she stopped writing a newspaper sports com there or morning, she wakes up and wishes she had one because she's got a column in her head. You ever feel that way. you know I on occasion, but and just recently within, let's see in April and then and the July first, I had columns in the paper Eh Kaylin, died. Last last April and and I remember I did a column on a nineteen, sixty, nine on a line. In a seventeen season in the major leagues he played for over twenty and but this was a seventeen season and and he said, you know I'm sitting in with them. They said I, just wonder sometimes if I've wasted my time, if I shouldn't have been a doctor or helping helping people in some way other than being a ballplayer and I recall that and I call the sports editor and I said, you know I have a an insight from K line. and He and he said you know we'll get good right you. So I wrote an and they ran it They didn't run is a sports at times. They ran a on on baseball column. On baseball and then. There was the the uprising. Of course. There's you know and and and Minneapolis, it went and and the murder of that George Floyd. And and I remember I did a book with Rod. Crew wants called Karoo I rooted with them and but I remember him telling me. About police harassment with him when he was with this with the Minnesota twins, and this is going back into the seventies and so Again, I I called called Karoo, and we talked and and I recall that it when he was living in and Minneapolis suburb. And he was he would sometimes jog through the streets, but it was a mostly white suburb and he would regularly got stopped by cops thinking that a black man is running and probably running away having stolen something, and so he's he stopped running through the streets He would also be stopped by cops driving and here was a baseball hero and and so anyway I wrote I wrote that as well so that that appeared July first in their house and they ran the it was their engines essentially the entire page with pictures. And the reason is that I guess one of the reasons and the sports that are like the story, but there was nothing else going on sports? Right. I mean, if there was a baseball basketball season going out, it would have been relegated to page nine the sports section. Are House New Book is how Life Imitates Sports. Sports writer recounts relives and reckons with fifty years on the sports beat. It's got a ton of amazing stories and then Iras updated notes on several of the Myra. Thanks so much for doing this. Okay. Brian. Thanks. Thank you. May I appreciate? Right. It's time for Dave, shoemaker guesses the strained Pun. Headline. Yay. Thursdays. Headline About Matthew mcconaughey writing his memoirs was alright. Alright. Alright I. Think you're making me guest the title of the book which I mean. I got the answer. Right that would have that is not in fact, the title of the book. It was much more boring than that. What was it? Green Lights? Yeah Green? Lights, which is a nice name. But not exactly when you think of Matthew mcconaughey I as a perfect celebrity memoir titled Green Lights. Good. GotTa Vaguely Inspirational God. Yeah. All right. All right. I mean, who is not GonNa buy that come on or morale over the athletic noted to me that that Pun was actually used in a tweet. By the athletic when Matthew mcconaughey Hey did a chat for them. So just congrats to everyone who has used that exquisite punt. Today's David is from cash and legal. It's from Reuters, kind of surprising source. The story is about a nightclub in western. France, a nineteen year old student goes there last month, there's a lot of dancing at the nightclub in. You can probably guess what happens next seventy, two cases of covid nineteen are traced back to the student and his friends, the wire service reports. The keyword here is disco. Disco. You're GONNA WANNA. Start there. What was the Reuters strained Sun Headline God I was already for dirty dancing disco would not have been bad. DISCO DIS flying. This. I miss. My disco. Disco Inferno now Dang. Hen. Roses, this would be the name of a band. ABAND- Panic at the disco. So keep going there. Pandemic at the disco pandemic at the disco. Right MR, shoemaker. Well, done. Fantastic stuff. He is David Shoemaker. Bryan. Curtis. Research by Chris Production Magic by Erica savant. We're back Thursday with listener mail. Send that in now. WanNa say quick farewell. David. Wall were here for Jim, Cunningham. First producer this podcast now moving onto the cousin sal expanded universe We're GONNA, Miss, Jim, Cunningham here at the ringer. Aren't we ate produces both of my podcasts and yes, our has produced a guess bitty I'm GonNa Miss. Him terribly. I don't even know what to say. I, wasn't expecting I totally forgot that this is going to tacked onto the end of the show I'm sort of kind of lead I caught my breath Jim. You know for all of you who've been listening Jim is the reason why is? That Bar Style Piano Music Lounge, piano music. At the beginning of the show. He was the sole. The sole reason they're river like super cuts, making fun of us at the end of those early episodes Not, everything's bad about Jim. leaving. Let me tell you I'm getting. And he's any is in. Europe risible light in both of our lives. I can say that with great irony. Totally. I just he's incredibly supportive guy behind the scenes when we started this out and I just sucked and and probably still do suck. But Jim was incredibly nice. Incredibly supportive, and the other thing when you mentioned those super cuts, which were absolutely hilarious. Might my family loved in particular despite them being filled with swear words. Is it. Jim is a great producer and he's also just a great creative force in and of himself as anyone who has seen the top gun show. He's a part of La knows. So him going over to cousin Sal and? Know having part of his life to be like funny creative on the air on the stage Jim. To me, that's awesome and that that's what I'm looking forward to seeing as much as anything as as letting him. Also just have that opportunity because he's great and he is hilarious. All right. Enough said David. We're back Thursday with more lukewarm takes Beth media. See Them. See, Brian and by by.

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I can see you in a distant manner if we wanted to. We could doesn't seem like you. Guys are interested in that to be honest because. It's like we can't see each other this year just to be safe next year the year after that the message I'm sending read between the lines. Read between the lines, loud and clear. Thank you Steffan. You're out in Palo. Alto California is late staff writer host of slow-burn season, three and top twitter follow Joel Anderson. What's up Joel `wow, that precinct on it. That's all I. Ever wanted I wanted. Get good enough at twitter to be a top twitter. Follow Sir Thank you Peter of Chocolate cake, oh bringer of bad cake takes yeah, Oh man, no I, that chocolate cake! Cake being hose up pretty well like I, said called seventy three year old father-in-law this weekend he was eating chocolate cake with chocolate syrup, chocolate ice cream, and I'm like that's exactly what an old man does. What old people like Sean was eating? When he was thirty three chocolate cake with chocolate, Syrup and chocolate ice cream i. probably yeah I mean. That's what I'm saying it's it's all standard, which is fine. It's not bad. It's just you know you're not gonNA taste changes over time I'm just saying they didn't have access to all of the new flavors and everything Tom. In the nineties. Right they they would. They would still figuring out I doubt they had white raspberry or something. You like white chocolate raspberry. Flavor that existed forty years ago. Josh. Tell us about slow-burn updates. Third episode is out this week for non slate plus members might be my favorite episode of the ones that we've done so far. The one that came out last week featured College Temple Junior. WHO's the first black basketball player? lsu Remember if we talked about that father of Garrett, temple, the Brooklyn Nets and leader in the NBA is social justice endeavors, so there is. Is a sports tie in there, but yeah folks should check it out slate dot com slash slow-burn and checkout season three while you're at it. Can we do an awkward transition before we start the show to talk about what happened in Nascar this week? Because we talked to Clinton Yates on episode last week about NASCAR banning the confederate flag, there was I think inevitably going to be a backlash. The backlash that happened this weekend was extremely ugly. A noose was found and bubble Wallace's. The area where his car was the garage area, the only black driver there are also a bunch of people kind of gathered outside the track with confederate flags. Right Stephan Yeah. Race was supposed to be run at Talladega yesterday. Sunday someone rented a plan and attached giant confederate flag banner to it and fluid over the track, and there was a line of cars sporting their confederate flags, leading up to the track, but the reports I read said that people were talking them away, and not bringing them into the track, so following NASCAR's guidelines yeah I guess we did sort of expect US backlash much as we would expect the backlash to the activism going on around the country, right you know I. Think if anything it justifies Clinton's. Clinton says pose last week that he's like. I've never gone to a NASCAR race. Never had the desire did feel safe in right here. You get an example of like the sort of people that were attending these events and felt that they had you know the you know the support of everybody around them. You would see this sort of backlash at you would see this sort of show of force if people feel like they had a lot of support, and obviously, that's something that's been going out there for a while so. I wouldn't want to go out there right now. My down south also wanted just to get an update on my after ball from last week, which was about the Chicago? White. SOX and they're very tepid. Response to the black lives matter movement after we recorded. Last week show Ken Williams who is black? The general manager longtime general manager of the White Sox give really long and impassioned. Interview speaking on his own behalf, not necessarily. Coming from ownership of the team, but talking about his experiences with racism including. Racial Slur being graffiti on his house when he took over as general manager with you know really vile messages and so it was hardening to see you know from somebody at the executive level of the white sox speaking out on these issues so I just wanted to make clear after the after ball from last week that that did happen. It's a hazard to record a segment about baseball right now because there are proposals and reports and insults flying around every hour recording this on Monday morning, and by the time you hear, this could be deal between the players and the owners, or they could have Egypt each other into the sun. We don't now, but as we're taping. The current offer on the table from ownership is for sixty game season with fully pro rated salaries and a sixteen team postseason, if the players agree to that deal or something. Something like that, then they'd still have to agree on health protocols in this after the phillies and Blue Jays shutdown, there Florida spring training sites after players on both teams tested positive for the coronavirus, joining us now to discuss, is our baseball Pal Ben, Lindbergh. He's the CO author. Most recently of the MVP machine. He's also the Co host of the podcast effectively wild and a writer and podcast at the ringer. Welcome Ben guys welcome to the roughly seventh consecutive, potentially pivotal week in the quest to start in. I've got on my baseball news breaker. Twitter Tabs Open. In case there's news well we speak. Thank you so an absence of baseball. You recently wrote a piece for the ringer on the video game. The last of US part to would you call misery porn, and what an apt description that is of the spectacle of baseball's owners and players total inability to come to terms on a plan for the season at least among the cohort. That I follow Ben. Ownership is getting most of the blame for this, which is always a good default position to have in my view, but an interest of fairness. What would you say is the best argument that ownership is not to blame here? Well, we obviously have unique circumstances rate. It's not like they shut down the season because they felt like it. They shut down the season because they're coping with a really almost unprecedented health hazard, so that's part of it and I think we should also be conscious of the fact that in terms of the timing baseball kind of had it harder than some other sports in some ways in the sense that the NHL NBA seasons were far enough along that I think those seasons will be looked at as legitimate, no matter what happens and most of the player pay was. was already awarded, so there wasn't really as much to work out when it came to the economics. Of course, the NFL season hasn't started yet and may possibly start on time, or at least that's the hope, so baseball was kind of in the position of this thing came along just as they were ramping up to a season, nothing was really decided in terms of what would happen with the players getting paid, and of course, the baseball union is stronger than the unions and other sports. It hasn't been broken in the same ways, and there isn't a salary cap. Cap So, there's just more to straighten out. And of course the owners are claiming that they will be losing money if they play games without fans in the stands. Now, of course they have refused to back that up with any documentation. They haven't exactly opened. Their books. Made that case convincingly, but that is what they claim. That is what they have claimed many times in the past in baseball history, but of course there are challenges that go along with the prospect of playing games without fans in the stands that are more of an economic challenge, so there is. Is a lot to work out. And these are unusual circumstances that is an incredibly generous assessment of the situation, very even handed Ben I'm very very impressed with what I asked for yeah. I know and now let me say that. They came to a tentative agreement on how they would try to work this out in March, and it wasn't until last week in the middle of June that the owners actually presented a proposal that adhered to that agreement meaning that they would pay the players, a pro rated share of their salaries for whatever the season wound up being. The bottom line is that nobody trusts each other here and that is contributed mightily to the impasse rate and Josh. Asks me to show for ownership for one answer. I'll do it, but. To transition into what I actually think. Really what a lot of people! Warning consulted a poll last week that showed that on the whole baseball fans are self identified fins are now citing more with the players, which historically hasn't been the case regardless of the merits of their positions in the ninety four strike in two thousand and two, and there was almost the strike. People tended to side with ownership I think that's almost the default position of baseball fans. I know certainly from my own family members my. My mom thinks the players are greedy and they should get back out there and play, so we've heard a little less of that this time I think the owners and the commissioner have screwed up enough that people have actually seen through some of that, but yes, the owners and commissioner ruptured who works for the owners have been dragging their feet for months now and so much of the delay has surrounded this matter of pro-rated pay. The two sides seemingly agreed to in late March, or at least they believe they had agreed to. There was a contract decided on. Then that said that if the season were played at some point, the players would receive pro-rated pay now. The dispute was whether that provided for season played without fans. The owners claimed that that agreement had specified that if they were to play without fans in the stands, they'd have to open that all up to negotiation again. The players have said that. That, that's not the case that they agreed on paraded pay and the thing that they hadn't agreed on was. How many games would be played? The actual text of that agreement hasn't been released publicly, but people who have seen it have said that the texts supports the players interpretation more than the owners, and at the very least it was too vague on that point, and it didn't conclusively establish that that would be subject to negotiation against so weeks and months went by when. When the owners were not budging off of that position that they weren't going to give the players paraded. It's not until the most recent offer that they finally gave in on that point and said yes, paraded pay so now it's a matter of how many games can they actually fit in? But the fact that we're at the point where the owners can somewhat legitimately claim that sixty games is the most you can actually play is because they have waited weeks and months to. To actually make legitimate and get things started here you know invent. It's SORTA interesting so last week you know all the training camps temporarily closed because of all these positive corona virus tests that came out from various spring training facilities in Florida Zona right will whit to what degree is the debate about whether? They should even be trying to play in the first place because I. You know you hear a lot of a disagreement about how they're going to play the you know. The, vagaries of the CBA, many games are going to play all that sort of stuff, but like. Has Anybody ever brought up? Should we even be trying to do this? In the first place right? The whole economic disputes Sorta seems like a side show at this point because it, it's becoming increasingly clear that all of that may just be wiped away. Something like forty people in baseball tested positive for covid nineteen last week, and it's not just major league or minor leaguers, but also just team personnel who may be are more at risk in general in something like ten of the. The team training camps have been affected by outbreaks since spring training stopped, and of course, Ford and Arizona where baseball teams train are two of the hotbeds right now where the number of cases are increasing, so it seems quite likely that even if they do somehow get across the finish line here and come up with an agreement that's acceptable to both sides of that may be moot, because the players probably would be reporting. You know if they made it the Oh right now. Something like July twenty ninth and the season wouldn't be starting until probably the last week of July and. And a lot can change between now, and then, and when you have all of the players and all of the support staff descend on these camps, and they've said that the teams that are located in Florida will be relocated, and maybe they'll train in their home states, but there are a lot of places that are especially at risk right now, so in a way as someone who wants the sport to succeed into, not want this to be a stain on the sports legacy I want them to make a deal just so that if and when they do cancel the season it's. It's because of covid and because of the economics. But at this point we've been hearing from the owners for so long that they don't really WanNa play, or at least a significant percentage of them. Don't that you almost have to be suspicious if they do eventually say well, we have to cancel the season because of the players, health and safety. That's our top priority. You have to wonder whether that's the real motivation. Josh before you jump in. Let me just say June twenty-ninth to restart Ben not. Not July twenty nine and then they would start the season sometime in July. Yes. So I wrote a piece. I laid a long time ago. About this idea that baseball is always dying that in one thousand, nine hundred and around the black sox scandal that was going to be the death of baseball I mean you can mark like every decade. There's some reason that that baseball is is GONNA. Cease to exist. You mentioned that nine nineteen four strike that's often cited as another. Another example, but a lot of the coverage about this back and forth negotiation, and the players and owners, obviously fuelling this with the level of vitriol, but it's felt like the conversation here among fans, and the press is way more existential than it is among say fans of the NBA or of the NFL. Do you think that's fair and legitimate is, or is that just kind of a catastrophe? Has, always, attached itself to baseball. I've tended to downplay that baseball dying narrative, and you're right. It is so prevalent that there have been multiple pieces on that very topic years but Emma Bachelor areas written about it for sports illustrated Bryan Curtis wrote about it for Grantland. It goes back to the nineteenth century. Baseball was barely established before people started talking about baseball dying, and in some ways. Of course, that's been overblown. Baseball is still very much here, and until recently was doing pretty well at least financially, and in other ways there's some which it missy to it, and that baseball has less of the national spotlight than it once did I think. Writing about like video games I. Know It's Times out there, but I think if you look at the history of work stoppages in sports very often, the effect is fleeting, and people will come back because they really like sports, and maybe they'll be mad for a little while, but they're not going to deprive themselves of form of entertainment that they really love the baseball strike in ninety, four and ninety five is one of the exceptions in that there really was a pretty significant and tangible downward trend in attendance, for at least a few years and attendance didn't recover all the way for more. More than a decade although there were other factors that affected that an economic recession, but I think in this case it's been so public in so visible and so messy and so ugly, and against the backdrop of everything else. That's happening. Of course you know in some ways. This dispute is caused by cove, and so it's more understandable, but in other ways you have people going back to work and putting themselves at risk and wanting some form of distraction, and so no one's really in the mood right now to hear a poet at dispute between players who know they're not all millionaires. Millionaires but compared to the average person. They're doing pretty well on the whole. If if they are big leaguers, and of course, the billionaires who were running the teams. No one wants to hear this and that doesn't mean that the players should just say well. We'll give in on every point because people want baseball pack, and we WANNA be about either, but it does mean that people are more frustrated and when you couple this with the fact that there is a CPA negotiation coming up, that jeopardises seasons beyond twenty, twenty one and given how the last few months have gone you have to. To expect that that will be acrimonious and bitter, and that there's a possibility of another work stoppage, so you're looking at maybe a couple of years, where the story of baseball is just owners, not really wanting to play and people accusing the players of being greedy, and it's not great, and when you couple that with the fact that there's so many other entertainment options out there that there's the possibility of the NBA season shifting so that it overlaps more with baseball I think there is some reason to be concerned about baseball, not bouncing back in the way that many sports have before. What you said there, Ben kind of brings me back to Joel's point, which is, it's Kinda gross to think of it this way, but I feel like a lot of the you know. Disappointment that people are feeling that baseball had like an opportunity here to be the only sport there was out there playing which totally discounts the idea that it's not safe for anyone to be playing, but it's IT'S A. kind of chasm between Oh like baseball could have had the spotlight for itself, and it's time for the sport, and it stars to shine and seems like you know even if it's not true that the sport is squandering this opportunity like that I think is what's motivating a lot of this. Yeah, yeah, because the troop, the true part is that like every other sport. This all began. Began in mid-march, and every other sports seemed to come up with a plan to resume playing whether it was going to say for not not knowing any of the logistics, but they all managed to come up with something, and we're seeing soccer leagues and basketball and hockey have plans for resuming. Play right about now. We're going to start seeing the women's soccer league playing this weekend. So I think that Josh is exactly right, and the the notion is more that the sort of the willful blindness on the part of Rob Manfred, and the owners and the players to some extent that this is a squandered opportunity, yeah, I think there's some truth to that I don't know that this would have been the the make or break moment for baseball. Baseball if it had come back, I would have gotten a bigger long-term boost from that than say marble, racing, or or whole thing but I think that it's already true. That baseball has an exclusive window in the sports calendar at least compared to some of the other major American sports rate where there's a period every summer after the hockey playoffs and the basketball playoffs, end were baseball Kinda has the sports calendar to itself a little bit, and even so that hasn't catapulted it to NFL levels of popularity or anything so I. think that a there was a limit on how early baseball could safely come back and be i. don't know how many long term fans you. You would have created from that month or whatever it was of exclusivity, but I do think there at least would have been positive feelings about baseball and hey, they came back. They figured it out. People could have at least called it the national pastime and tried it out that old bit about how baseball is you know the thing that gets us through tragedies and everything which there's a little bit of legitimacy to that so there would have been good feeling about baseball. Whereas now there's just bad feeling because you have this dispute about money. You've minor leaguers, getting released or not paid left and right, you're the minor leagues getting contracted. You have employees furloughed and. Out of work just after they prep for the draft, there's just a lot of bad PR baseball right now. That could have been avoided if it wasn't symbolic of this larger animosity between the League and the Players Union I would actually argue somewhat counter-intuitively that this is the best time to have a work stoppage I. Mean 'cause I mean. I mean you're in the middle of I. Mean it's not like everybody's attention is. On baseball right now. There's so many there's so much other news happening. There's so many other things impact. People lives that like if baseball just didn't play I, just I I. Guess Maybe I'm being naive here a little bit, but I just don't understand like why right now if they just said you know what can't do it after all couldn't come to an agreement, it's dangerous to play anyway. We'll see you next spring I don't understand I mean. Other than the fact that it would be a calamitous financial impact. I Don I. Don't think like brought more broadly that it would be that big a deal. You think people would hold it against baseball. They couldn't play. This year doesn't make a lot of sense to me well. If you're saying Joel that could they have just said Hey, let's terminate the collective bargaining agreement now instead at the end of twenty twenty one and resolve our differences over the next six months and come back with a deal that locks us in for the next ten years. I don't know that that's an interesting thought. I can't. Owners or players would necessarily go for it, but it certainly would be a way more prospective way at looking and trying to solve some of the problems. If the game faces at this point, they can't agree on even these small short-term hide Emerson so you have to be kind of pessimistic about tearing the agreement and renegotiating everything that's been one of the points that has come up during this whole saga is that people will say well they? They could make concessions about things and it kind of horse trade with you know things a couple of years down the line, and it's just like well. You're on a limited time line here and there's only so much you can actually broach and settle, and they can't agree on how many games to play or went to start, or even what they have said an agreed to in private meetings, so it's really not an optimistic situation when you're thinking of well. Can they sort out these longer? Long standing issues and that kind of makes you pit pessimistic about the next round of negotiations, but I would hope that they can at least settle this so that they can convincingly claim that if the season is canceled, it's because of health and safety, and not because they were squabbling over money. Let's end with a discussion about some of the changes that will be happening with the sport. When and if it does come back, there reports about If play resumes, there'll be a designated hitter and the National League that there might be a runner on second base. Like go, not a ghost runner I guess a real real human runner on second base to start extra innings also expanded playoffs. Ben Like it does seem like if these rule changes happen, even if they're kind of representatives being temporary, it would be hard to imagine that. At least some of them wouldn't stick right. That's one of the things that they've been haggling over is well. Are we saying this is permanent or are we saying it's only for one year for its this year and next year, but even if they say it's temporary. That doesn't mean that they couldn't change. Change their mind once. There's a precedent there. Something like the D. H.. That's been coming for years. We've been hearing reports that we would get a universal d. h. sometime soon anyway, and that's something. The players want and seems to be something. The owners are fine with which is kind of ironic that the only thing that the players and the owners can agree on is the designated hitter which baseball ends have disagreed on for forty five plus years at this point but I am fine with having a d. h., because pitchers are just completely incompetent at now and they're. They're not gonNA. Get any better. I understand the counter arguments, but I think it's fine. Maybe that's because I grew up as an Ale fan and I'm hopelessly biased, but the other arguments that come up in the other potential rule changes, things like expanded playoffs switch again is something. The owners are always in favor of because they make a lot of money off of TV playoff revenue and more games more rounds. More teams means more money. Yeah, especially in a season like this when they say at least that they're not going to be making money on regular season games so. So if they were talking about just a couple of teams or something, that wouldn't be a big deal, but they're talking about sixteen teams being the playoff field at least temporarily, and that's a huge increase going from ten teams, a third of the League to sixteen more than half of the League. You can I think that changes some incentives in some ways that wouldn't be great for competitive balance. Actually people think oh well, that's great. More people will have a chance, so we'll see teams spending but I think it also reduces the benefits of building a great team because. The playoffs searches so subject to randomness that if you know, you're going to be in the playoffs with this big field, why invest in making a great team when it could all just come crashing down in one round, so there's that and yes, there's the possibility of ties. Possibility of renders starting some extra innings on second base, which has been part of Minor League Baseball for the last couple years, and the world hasn't ended, but I think a lot of people are viscerally opposed to that idea in the majors, and I find it somewhat distasteful to ties would be weird, but look plenty of sports get by with ties and think they're just fine. We don't always have to have a winner. The only thing that makes me sad about it is that we don't have the weird baseball anymore. Anymore, where suddenly a nineteen inning game and everyone's up till two in the morning, which really there aren't a lot of forms of entertainment that just say well. We don't know how long this is gonNA. Take or how many hours of your this will occupy, so I understand if they just say will cap it at twelve innings or whatever, but personally I would miss those really strange, just endurance exercises where it's like. Are you GonNa? Stay Up. Are you going to stay at the park and just be the next day? Hang up and listen is brought to you by sprouts, farmers market fire up the grill with sprouts, farmers market and turn your back yard until a barbecue wonderland sprouts has the best beef around experience, the difference of juicy, flavorful burgers and steaks with no added hormones ever. Guaranteed to cook up. 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National Reevaluation of most prominent racist really surged last week with protesters toppling over monuments all across the country down with Robert, e, Lee, statue in Richmond Virginia so did a statue of Star spangled banner writer Francis Scott Key in San Francisco the movement, also claimed another deserving victim, a monument of former Washington owner George Preston Marshall the last NFL owners integrators roster. It was part of a dizzying twenty four hours for the Washington NFL franchise the next day Saturday, the team announced that it would finally retire the number number forty, nine, one Bobby Mitchell the first black player in franchise history. All of that Sutton chains inevitably made many others wonder about another more glaring when finally changing the team's racist nickname against native Americans, the Washington Post editorial board published a piece Friday calling for current owner Daniel Snyder to change the name. So here we are again. Stephan this is very familiar debate among football fans. What's different now? Well, nothing is different, and a lot is different and I want to start with the nothing I actually researched the history of the word Redskin for my book on Merriam Webster. That I hope will be published someday Mariam's lexicographers. I attached a label to the word in eighteen, Ninety, eight, usually contemptuous, then there was no label for decades when native Americans became caricatures and popular culture, and when the NFL team got its nickname in nineteen, thirty three in Boston by George, Preston Marshall, but it's had a label. Mariam dictionaries define now as usually offensive for almost forty years racist helmet logo also unchanged for decades. Decades what has changed is that even Dan Snyder recognizes that the team's name is going to come under attack again. The George Preston Marshall Monument, which was like ten foot, tall piece of granite with a plaque with marshal's face on it. It was on city property outside of our K. stadium. The team hasn't played there for a long time. I have wanted it gone for a long time, but the team had nothing to do with the statute being removed, it was the city's decision. It declined to comment to the Washington Post about the removal and the next day came as you mentioned this announcement about retiring Bobby Mitchell's number, and also renaming the lower level of the stadium in his honor. Coincidence, hard to know of course, Josh, the team had been. The team has said it was planning to retire as Mitch Mitchell's number already. He died in April I wouldn't be cynical of course, but it seemed a fairly convenient to announce this right now. Stephanie loved to Senegal. It's one of your favorite pastimes. One of my favorite pastimes to so love we share. And, jaw obviously don't WanNa leave you. At one of America's cynical thought leaders so contrast what you just described happening in Washington with what took place in Minnesota where the statue of longtime twins owner. Clark Griffith was taken down outside of the stadium in Minneapolis. The twins came originally from Washington DC. There were the Washington senators. Griffith said in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, eight that he had moved the team from DC to Minnesota because quote when I found out, you only had fifteen thousand. Thousand Blacks here. Black people go to ball games, but they fill up a wrastling ring and put up such a chance. It'll scare you to death. It's unbelievable. We came here because you've got good hard-working white people here. It's pretty racist and the thing that I found interesting. Okay, so the team was behind taking on the statute of the team, said all the right things in the statement about how it had been too long, and it hadn't recognized the meaning of the statue and. That it needed to at a needed to come down a long time ago, but a lot of the conversation around there was like. Know the things that he said in that speech nineteen, seventy eight. It's not about the things that he said it's about his admission that the team was located in Minnesota due to his racist attitudes. It's about actions, not just that he misspoke or said something racist, and that's the thing that's underpinning all of this. Washington stuff! It's like when you go back to George Preston Marshall's. Refusal to great. When you look at. Dan Snyder refusal to change the team nickname it's it's all about a kind of racist white supremacist. However, you want to describe attitude that permeated this franchise for the entire period of its existence, and it's pretty clear even with retiring Bobby Mitchell's number, even with changing the name in the stadium of of the section that there's not any kind of reckoning Joel with this broader underpinning of this franchise is good. You mentioned that up because we actually have a clip here of Daniel Snyder who back in two thousand, thirteen said he would never change the team name, and we have a clip here of him in two thousand fourteen, explaining his attachment to the current mascot. I would like people to know the history. Of whether it's Lonestar deeds whether it's what Walter Blackie Wetzel in Montana. It's just historical truths, and I liked them to understand as I think most do that. The the name really means honor respect. We sing hail to the REDSKINS. We don't say hurt anybody yeah! So. This is the textbook response from people who defend confederate monuments, and it's telling that like that's the argument he chose here in. If anything especially given, today's increasing in overdue hostility confederate graffiti, it makes dance even more out of step with the Times, and it sort of reminds me of the argument from a few years ago, the Colin Kaepernick would be an anthem a- TO NFL fans, and that he would potentially be a huge financial liability for any team that signed him as a end, the League as a whole that essentially the NFL seems to believe that it's fans are so much more racist than they give. Give them credit for Colin signs massive Nike deal product flies off the shelves and off the website people have to at least consider the possibility that there is a huge fan base clamored for more cap, so that's the same thing here with the Washington Nfl Franchise Snyder, the NFL clinging to this name with the idea that removing it would be hugely popular right, and because they're fans are racist. Essentially, there's like what if we have got to have this racial slur so much and if you take it away from us, we'll stop supporting team, but I'd always not racist Joel. They just love traditions. Right? You're right to. lost. Cause does seem like the apt phrase for both the confederacy and the nickname here. Yeah, absolutely and I mean. Don't you I mean? Don't you think I mean? We're sports fans? We've seen a lot of changes over the years. Don't you think that? Fans would actually love a new mascot root for if only just for the Paraphernalia Sake like wearing new shirts, wearing new uniforms, wearing new caps like. That on a on a pure basic business level, it would be a great decision, but beyond that the person who changes the mascot is going to be a hugely popular figure. He'll also be divisive figure because I think you underestimate. Joel and I'm shocked that you're underestimating the latent racism in sports, fans There's a reason that the Washington football team has been so stubborn on this, and it's not just that Dan Snyder. Truly believes that there was heralded in play here. It's that he's afraid of a backlash, and there's a reason that the NFL and Commissioner Roger Goodell having forced this issue on Dan Snyder and this team, because it's afraid of a backlash. If you look at the statement, the team put out about retiring Bobby Mitchell's number. It is so glaring in its timidity. Snyder's quotation doesn't mention the Bobby Mitchell was the first African American player in franchise history. It doesn't mention that Bobby Mitchell's name is replacing George Preston. Marshall's on the lower level of the stadium. You. Don't learn the statement that Bobby. Mitchell was the first black player in the team's history nineteen, sixty two, when the rest of the League had been integrated for years that's left to the sixth paragraph of the statement in a quotation from a former player. It's almost as if the team can't even acknowledge its racist past, because it would remind everybody of its racist present. I don't see I. Actually don't underestimate the racism of fans. I think that what is underestimated is the anti racism of other fans and people who might be inclined to become. Become Washington football, fans or where Washington football paraphernalia, if it did have this cartoonish offensive racial slur on the on the team uniforms right and so that's what I think it. SORTA operates from this old paradigm that we've got to be afraid of these people who don't WanNa. Let that go, and it's the same paradigm like you know why Nascar up until this past week held onto the confederate flag why people made arguments for keeping confederate monuments, and then it falls down and yeah, that's going to be a backlash. There's going to be a Lotta. Might bring along. That might come into the game. That might what start wearing your your stuff? That wouldn't have won it before, and that's that's. That's what I think. Daniel Snyder is missing out on if he changes that it gives them a chance to be the person that led this move lead. That was part of this movement. Whereas you know it at the rate, he keeps up now. He may be remembered more along the lines. George Marshall Well I say two things pushing back a little bit on what you said. Joel Snyder will ever be popular like even if he changes the name. Just, decades worth of appropriately earned bad feelings around his tenure, leading the franchise and also. I'm being slightly facetious here but I think there's something to the fact that the change from bullets to wizards and DC like wizard Salim nickname. I don't think they're like one of you know. That merchandise is isn't selling like any kind of hot cake, and it's all about whether the team and the franchise's successful. If there's a new nickname in the franchise starts winning a bunch of games and they have like. Lamar Jackson like Star Player, then like folks would like. Be Really cared attracted to the new to the not benefit if it continued to stink. then. The new nickname would kind of a attract the same kind of stink. Probably you get that verse you get that initial burst of like excitement and then yeah, then it's dependent upon whether or not your team is any good and I and I do take your point about Daniel Snyder. It's probably too late, but he can still salvage his legacy somewhat that the guy that that succeeds him in changes. That name is going to be a hugely popular figure, but Dan Snyder. You're probably right. It's too late for him, but he can still salvage his reputation and his legacy if he were to do this now. I think so and somewhat he'll still be him. He'll be Dan Snyder, but he won't be. Dan Snyder. He continued this the racist Legacy George Preston Marshall Either Stephan. Can you walk through what the events where that led to the integration of the washing team in the early sixties because? Because it required a kind of intervention that I, think is going to be required for the team to change its name because as you said based on the statement based on everything. We've seen the last week. The team is not Snyder is not going to come out and say Oh, I was wrong. My heart is changed. There's no way he's going to do that. It would require and the Washington Post editorial board. It's like he's not going to give a crap about that. Oh, slate doesn't use the name. It's like it's almost like a countervailing veiling like Oh, well, then that's GonNa. Make me more. Resolute and not doing it so like what what happened in the sixty s because I think this is what's going to happen in the twenty twenties well, there's their total parallels here. And what happened starting in the fifties. The N. double ACP picketed outside. Philadelphia Hotel were NFL owners were honoring George, Marshall for his whatever service to the League and then in the sixties. As when it came to the head in the early sixties, he was getting pressure from local media. The very influential columnist Shirley Povich of the Washington Post called Marshall Out for his prejudice, and the team didn't pick black players in the draft. When it was clear, there were better. Better players and then pressure increased. There was a letter writing campaign. There were calls from fans to boycott the teams games and what ended up pushing this was the fact that the team was gonNA. Move Into RFK stadium new are FDA stadium, which was on federal property and the Kennedy Administration stepped in, and said that you will not be allowed to use the stadium unless you by federal laws. which banned hiring discrimination and George Marshall said publicly I didn't know the government had the right to tell a showman how to cast of a play to a good and then finally they cut a deal where the team would be allowed to move in if they desegregated the team. Earned Davis in the nineteen sixty one draft. They needed him immediately. To Cleveland and Got Bobby Mitchell as part of the trade and return, and it was this federal pressure, and there were protesters by the way that emerged after that the Ku Klux Klan protested outside the stadium because the team had integrated and Joel, NFL, Commissioner Pete Rozelle at the time, did kind of allow Marshall to get away with us, did for for a while, but then eventually got on board and started up and increase the pressure from inside so I guess the question is. Are Allowed here yeah yeah. Roger Goodell, Mr Black lives matter now. WHAT'S HE GONNA? Do well. Is it Roger Goodell though Josh, or is it going to end up being Muriel Bowser, or whoever? The DC mair is in the next ten years because Snyder wants to build a new stadium, he's either going to build it in Maryland Virginia or DC. The RFK stadium land is there if he wants to build their DC city council and Bowser have said they're gonNA have to change the name I absolutely think it's going. Going to come down to somebody putting pressure on him, and it's unclear whether it'll be Murio bowser whether it be Roger. Goodell, but that's why I think the Washington Post editorial board and all this other. You Know Commotion Around It. This is really good timing. If you're going to see if there was going to be itch a time, the Dan Snyder was going to make this change. It would be right now and if they can't get done now. It probably won't happen until the guy. Guy Who inherits the team from here whatever if the Dan Snyder has a kid? So maybe that'll be the person who takes over whatever, but well. Here's another question for both of you. If players on this team start kneeling in the fall, and some of them said they will will that have any impact Dwayne Haskins the young quarterback has taken part in some of the protest. The coach Ron Rivera has said that he supports the players in their First Amendment Rights Snyder is going to. To start looking like not just an anachronism, but an impediment to racial progress and too calm among players in the league I think kneeling has been co-opted so much. I mean even police. Officers are doing it protest. Now you know what I mean so. I think that only holds, but so much sway would have to happen is players from not only on the Washington fell franchise, but around the League would have to take a stand at say we're here. We don't even want to. GonNa. Play here. We don't want to wear this uniform whether uniform inside out. You know something along those lines I. Don't know would be You know they can come up with their own ideas, but I think it would be something that would impact the product on the field, and then that is when you might see Dan Snyder. Come out, but the guys kneeling. Okay. Jerry Jones's kneeled drew brees kneeled. We know what that would ultimately meant to them. It's going to have to be something that would impact that franchise and You know I. Don't know. Maybe they're willing to go that far. Maybe that I mean if. This again. This is the time to go that far. If you're going to do it, you can really make somebody look like they're standing history right now. If you wanted to, but it just is going to take a little bit more. Collective will I wonder if you haven't seen? Any of the more vocal. NFL players beyond that team. It's like there's not there hasn't been an eric. Read our Malcolm. Jenkins or A Colin Kaepernick. On that franchise I wonder if it's because. The most kind of the players that are most focused on social justice don't want to go anywhere near that franchise in free agency, because it's toxic, or because of the name were because of some combination because of the owner because of the name, maybe because of the lack of success of the franchise I don't want piano, the character of anybody that's on that team Lena. Most of them had any choice about where they would go, but. At least so far that locker room and those players have not been like a major site of dissent and protest, and it will be interesting to see if that changes, but we also you also really haven't seen Joel players. Call out the nickname at all from other from anywhere in the week. Maybe that's out of concern that hey, I might end up there. There and free agency or I could get traded there, but that has not become a talking point in this conversation among activist NFL players. Yeah I just wonder if it's a Noushin. Just you know that's the that's the league. They came into and hasn't been top of the mind for them. Maybe it will. Maybe this is an opportunity. Will that change but? To your point, I think about that well Dwayne Haskins that's. He had a personal connection with Daniel Snyder, right then he go to his, he went to the school with Daniel Snyder son. The most pick chase young. He's from the area the RHINEBECK. A couple years ago. Darius guys from Lsu you know Josh. He's a guy who just showed up. You know at the White House taking pictures with Donald Trump I. I never thought about this before, but I wonder how much of you know. Some of their player personnel decisions are influenced by who guys that we're going to bring in here. Who are not going to cause any problems. Right I don't. We. We don't know that maybe we're overlooking somebody, but that is an interesting observation deadly. Why haven't they had that dude on their team? Somebody who was in the Locker Room? Who has been saying no, I, don't want I. Don't WanNa play for a team with this mascot. We've never heard that and it's actually sort of surprising. I wanted to let you know that in our bonus segment this week for sleep plus years will be talking about Stephen's piece about scrabble and slurs and debate happening in the scrabble community about whether players should be allowed to use them to could piece that he wrote. It's interesting conversation and you can hear it if you are asleep plus member just thirty five dollars for the first year, and you can sign up at sleep. Dot Com slash hangup plus that slate dot com slash hangup plus. Last August after winning the hammer throw at the Panamerican Games in Lima Peru when Berry stood on the podium with a gold medal, draped around her neck barriers from Ferguson Missouri and she had spent the previous five years educating yourself about race in American history, so as the last few bars of the national anthem played, it was an instrumental version, but right wear, the land of the free, and the home of the brave would be song. Berry made spontaneous decision. She bowed her head and raised her right fist in the air. The silent protest drew a huge and predictable mix. Mix of attention interview requests, social media, praise, hate mail, and even death threats ten days later, the US Olympic and Paralympic Committee placed Barry and fencer race Imboden who had taken a knee during his medal ceremony on probation for twelve months, and since then Gwen Berry has emerged as a leader of a movement to pressure the US and international, Olympic Committee's to recognize the rights of athletes to protest during competition. Hey, Gwen, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, guys. Have will take us back to that moment on the podium and what you were thinking. Let's crazy as As everyone asks me that so are my best answer for that. Was You know on the podium? In that moment I just felt like I had to do something onto show where I stood in robbed. Come from what overcame, and you know just how important that standing up for those who have no voice is in this world you see all these communities. All these people dying suffering, getting chills, being unarmed and getting murdered, and I just felt like something had to be done like it was. It was time for something to change now. It was time for these conversations to. To be taken seriously, so just raise my fist than I was a little nervous, but you know in my heart I knew by down the right thing. If you had done that today, people would say oh. Gwen is sort of riding a wave of movement. Right that there's a lot of people now that that a late to the party and showing up. was there anything in particular any incident or anything? You know that right before last, August. That was like you know what I really need to get out there and say something, or is this just part of your? Education about you know anti black racism in the country. I feel like it was definitely my education over time, but the thing that got me was on one day I was at practice and It was just a normal day. It was just me and my coach there that day and it was a Saturday. It was really hot outside, and we were there for a couple of hours. Because usually it takes two three hours to finish a drawing session, so we were out there and you know I practice. Say you base that day. You know you've H is basically in ghettos on in this big wall name. Know surrounding the drawing area so that. People can't just walk in and you're protective, Rahm. Whatever's going on in the neighborhood? Because it is a harsh neighborhood. so we were, we were practising and this. This old man is he was homeless. People He was high. He was tired. He just somehow he got through the gate and he just walked up angle. He came to practice psychiatry. And you know usually if some something like that happens, you know someone the scared or they're threatened or they're like. Oh, you can't be here, but me and my coach. We just decided to embrace them by you why we could tell he was homeless. We said he had had a Har- life or something had happened to him where you know he hadn't. Ayton had drank anything's, so we just talked to him. We offered him some water and he said literally I practicing he just. Just walked me the whole time, so you know. I talked to him, you know I played around with them. You Know Joke Jim asked him. Did he throw? He was like all NAM okay. I'm okay, but we you know we changed stories. And I talked to him about what I wanted to do. In the beginning aims and what I had and you know that really made his day so after talking to him for a couple of minutes, the man literally just went to sleep. He literally slip. He drank water, and he said their wash rebel, and he went to sleep. So I said what about what about this world, to me is so traumatizing is that people literally do not have peace of mind to be able to sleep? This man hadn't eaten anything. He hadn't drank anything for auto. We don't know how long, but he trusted me and my coach enough to sit out there in the house on in sweep. You know for black people. Sleeping is a luxury. Well, we don't get to sleep because we have kids. You have word you have stressed sleeping as a luxury. He treated us that much to literally his guard down and go to sleep and I was like I can't take it anymore. I can believe it I've never seen anything like that in my life, and that's what made me say. You know what I'm tired of it something I've changed. You're working in a long activist tradition. The gesture that you made is a very clear reference to what Tommie Smith and John Carlos did in nineteen sixty eight. Can you talk about their legacy? And also what happened to them? After they made that gesture during the Olympics like John, Carlos Untimely Smith Dead, on change the change. The dynamics of tracking feel forever Of course they were punished. They were kicked out of the sport. They could never compete. Would a USA team uniform on ever again they? Don't even remember them competing ever again in track and field's on, they were ridiculed. They were threatened and I feel like for black people and Black America that changed the way every athlete today and I know for sure personally it changes the way we feel when we make a a US team because every team. We're reminded of what they did and why we shouldn't do that and what will happen if we did do it. and. It's like they threatened the. They say okay. You see what happened to them. You know you hold this flag and you're gonNA podium and you respect your country because that's what you supposed to do. But John Carlos and Tommy Smith, a lot of athletes feel like we're representing the country, but literally kills us for no reason. And doesn't even think there were human beings. Like how is that possible? How can we proudly do that? And I feel like what they did. Literally changed the course of history along with a lot of athletes, and you know I'm grateful to have known them and to know them I literally have a call today with Dr. Carlos and I'm so excited when I'm grateful just to see what I should do next follow footsteps in leading the way Gwen. After you were sanctioned last year. The USOC did not sort of respond in the spirit of Tommie, Smith and John Carlos and progress. In fact, the head of the US put out a statement. Statement or in a letter to you, saying the goal of the Games that are free from political speeches to focus our collective energy on the athletes, performances on the international unity and harmony. Each games seek to advance. Blah, blah, blah times have changed since then and obviously the death of George Floyd, and the protest movement of the last few months has really refocus attention on the power of your gesture, and you didn't stop after what happened the Pan Am Games you've been writing and talking about the importance of opening up the Games. Olympic Games and national team events to to protest and and free speech. Have you felt emboldened by vote the last few months? And how is it giving you sort of pushed to do more? I definitely felt. Emboldened by the last few months I just feel like because idea what I did. When it wasn't popular, people respect my take in my stands in my voice, even more now because it has emerged again, and is even more powerful than ever before because the new generation. You know we're not like the older generation. We you know we can't shut up. We can't sit down and we are not easily satisfied so I feel by that power and energy in in those feelings. Everyone has kinda put on me because I'm the one who you know who has shown that I don't care if it's popular if it's not popular, people know that I'm sincere I'm broke. I lost everything it's. Even more broke so I feel like The energy that I've been getting for my athletes, my peers, you know my supporters has definitely pushed me to keep speaking. We got a lot of important things coming up. You know we're trying to talk to the I ac- here in the next couple of days we've been talking to. See about what they need to do this athletes group that they're going to use to fight I. AC-, you know, there's a lot of big things ahead of us, but I just I just feel like you know I. Don't know I feel like a lot of people look to me because I'm the one who didn't wasn't after there and I'll take on that challenge, because literally I have nothing else to lose we. I want to ask you about that because you I mean. It's real easy to just Kinda talk. Pass well. That was hate, mail and death threats. You know what I'm saying. What does that actually look like in terms of your life I mean? Did you feel like you in? And you know what was the incoming of hate light for you to experience, and we're their consequences financially for you to. I'll definitely I lost about eighty percent of my in. On my last faster ships allows grant opportunity on my drew. I had a child fourteen years old, so I've always had to take you know. I've always been the leader of my family taking care of my family, so that was the biggest hit for me. Losing money isn't necessarily bad, but if I can't take care of my family, that's where you know it hits me. The most so eighty percent of my income was lost as far as deaths threats if I. I wasn't too scared. Because I feel like a lot of people who threaten US via email and via Internet twitter instagram. They'll never see on your lives, but because I was broadcasted on CNN ESPN in all these shows I felt like anybody at anytime can literally walk up to me and do what they WanNa do so I'm not GonNa had to have my gun on me when I went placed. Placed certain places when I left from Lima Peru to come back to United States. I made sure I had something on my head glasses. I made sure I didn't have any USA. Uniform on at all I was really careful and cautious for a while for like a couple of weeks. You know I cook for myself for a while now because you know you never know who can. You out and I've never had to do that in my life, but It's bad to say, but I wasn't scared because you know I was raised. In impoverished neighborhoods, my life, so you know I'm kind of used to. Looking looking over my back, looking over my shoulder, watching my back a lot. So you grew up in Ferguson Missouri Right yes, and. There was the killing of Michael Brown. Obviously, the brought a huge amount of attention to that community, but a lot and Joel was there and did a lot of reporting on this, but a lot of. What I think people started to understand as more reporting went on is about the longer term interactions between the police and the people to live there about policing for. And the ways that that worked in that community. Can you talk a little bit about your experience there and how that has informed your view of the world I feel like growing up in Ferguson because I was younger I was really naive to a lot of things. know when you're a kid, your parents or your grandparents? They charge to not put. The world showed because they want you to live. A free by basically, you know initially in so I used to ask my grandmother questions all the time. Because my uncle who was older than me, he's to go to the stores. Walk. The streets go to the gas stations. Go to the park with a group of friends I've my uncle always. Rolled in a group. It was always like six or seven of them, and he will always come home. It complain about how the police were harassing them. For no reason you know, they would just walk the streets and the police. Tell them they had to go home. You know three o'clock in afternoon. What are you supposed to be doing? You know once you get out of school and I. Always Ask my Greg. Why? Why are they harassing? Why can't they go to the park? Why can't they do this? Why can't do that and my granny would never truly tell me because I was younger. So, I really didn't understand into I guess when I went to high school. I saw a lot more because then I was older than I was doing. Those things and police were literally just follow us. We will walk on the street and they would just follow right behind us and Just literally would just follow us so I feel by the terror and you know just being intimidated and threatened constantly by the police reminded me that you know They could do anything they WANNA. Do and get away with. In I've figured that out in new debt once I was in high school and I was terrified so any. Other police we run our. We had our. We Will Harry up tonight. Okay, it's time for us to go home. Because we were in. Constant terror in just fear and we didn't even. I don't think we realized why, but you know. We just kind of knew that. If something happened, it will be us in not them. It was it was it was horrible? And then you know coming home from the for the Mike Brown protesting. You can feel the tension in the air. It was literally just walking on the street. People were just crying because they felt so overwhelmed and so emotional just so angry about what had gone on with this young man's debts. It was heart wrenching. You. Chose to use Michael Brown's death in the aftermath as a way to sort of educate yourself. You said you felt like you grew up a little bit naive about what was going around around you. What kinds of things did you do? And how did it change the way you thought as a person and as an athlete? read some books a close friend of mine. We read a lot of books together We read about potion? Matic slave. Slave disorder Dr Joy grew. We read books. We looked at youtube videos from Muhammad Ali Giancarlo Sammy Smith. We've been back to Douglas mock makes. Read books about it moves about it. We just did a lot of self educated to see. Why is it that Black Americans? Always go through the same things all the time year after year and has been going on since the beginning of time. You know we. I went to a freedom school at Mississippi. Where we have classes, every Saturday suggests, educate us on black history on good and bad so I did a lot of research allowed to read in on, and just a lot of understanding studying listening just to understand why people like people feel the way we feel when it comes to those threats and you know. Where does the stress come from? Where does the trauma come from? And why we are considered, you know less than human beings in America just education honestly. So. What you're saying is very moving very powerful. Which is why I'm so surprised that you said that you thought the twelve month. Probation was fair that you received from the USOC. Can you explain why why you feel that? The punishment was fair. I felt like the punish to was fair. Only because as an adult I do have to take responsibility for the things done now I decide the contract you know we're. We're forces on it, but I did. Know, I did break the rules and so I said you know it's fair because it apart to you know to say that. I didn't agree with the contractor I just I. Knew what I signed an unwise and I broke the rules. So that's why. I said it was fair and I also said it was fair because I feel like in those twelve months. I could conjure up something else to do that. Engage even more. This even more rich into them, you know, hit them where it hurts again because you know I'm I'm you know I'm coming to my last couple? Years of being a track and field athlete, so you know, I was just like yes fair, but I found another way. Let's talk about you as an athlete when you are practicing now when you're thinking about competing and your goals wide. Do you feel like it's important for you to succeed and do well in the Hammer, and your chosen like what what are the things that are motivating you to be? The main thing that's motivated me honestly this time around. I think is muscles. I aphaluck I've been doing track for everybody else besides myself for as long as I remember and I feel like she hear knowing that I can succeed and I. Don't have to succeed. Is the driving force everyday at practice? I know that I can do this like I. AM equipped emotionally athletically spiritually to make this happen because if I don't no. No one will care. No one knows what hammer is. Let's be honest so I. WanNa do this because I know. I can I know that if I do do this. That helped me that I have my family and help understand that you can come from literally nothing you have literally everything taken away from you and you can steal rise you just still. Still. Be Successful in accomplish something that you've always wanted to accomplish, but I have to know that I can do it for myself. I. Because if I don't think of myself in that rained you know I can't do anything. Because I'm the only one standing in the rain I think everything comes after that. You have to put yourself I in that. That situation and then everything follows and one of the things that you clearly hope we'll follow is putting pressure on the. You've already succeeded in getting the US Olympic and Paralympic Committee to form this athlete group that you mentioned to get some statements from them, saying that they're going to advocate for change within global sport, and there's this rule fifty and the. That bars demonstration on grounds of politics or religion or racial propaganda is the word they use. Clearly I imagine it's got to be important to you and. Is it a goal for you to make the Olympic team if they're Olympics in two thousand and twenty one so that you can bring this to its to its rightful place its conclusion. Absolutely I like that is my main goal. Communist. The next year is to make the team. Women's hammer throw in the united. States stacked is about seven girls. They can possibly make the team they. We only get three reps so Yes, this is my goal because I feel like once I make the team and they see me. They will know what to do. You said you have aged for people who don't Know University of Houston. Right Ed so you? You're living in Houston now you've been. He's at the last couple years. Will you tell people how Great Houston is? People don't understand why such a great place for athletes to come out of there. No I love Houston I'm not GonNa I. Really believe that I'm going to buy my first house here because I love the city on the economy I. Love The culture here. The back people here the University of Houston and door Oracle on the coaches are amazing. The athletes are amazing and I. Think it's one of the best places I've ever been so. I love it river. You go see that's all I wanted to hear. I just wanted to. One a powerful way to end this this. Is. After all that we've talked about just like focusing on the Houston the message. Really what matters here Joel let's right well. I didn't want to reduce I'd say to food species multi. She's got multitudes and I just wanted to. Plum some of that so. When Barry throws the hammer for the United States, she's a former Olympia and she's trying to make the Olympic team next year, and she is leading a movement to try to get the International Olympic Committee to sanction protests at the Games. Gwen. Thank you so much for talking with us. Thank you. Appreciate it. And now it's time for after balls and after speaking with Barry, I was curious about the history of hammer throwing because I don't know anything about the history of hammer throwing, so I went to hammer throw dot org, of course hammer throwing one of the throwing events in track and field was developed into a sports centuries ago in Ireland Scotland in England legends trace it back in various forms to the. Tile Tongue Games held in Tara Ireland around eighteen, twenty nine BC. That's on time ago, centuries later Celtic mythological hero, cool Hollan was said to have gripped a chariot wheel by its axel world at around his head, and threw it farther than any other mortal. Because, of course he did. Joel what's your cool Hollin Bobby Mitchell? We briefly mentioned him into earlier segment about the Washington NFL team Mitchell is the pro football hall of Famer who will have his number forty nine retired by the franchise. The team announced decision to honor Mitchell on Friday a day after Memorial, honoring former owner George Preston Marshall was removed from K. stadium as we covered a little already, Marshall was an unabashed racist. Consider the final sub head of his week. A pedia page is titled Racism and the Section runs four hundred forty words. Anyway Marshall was perhaps the most influential voice among NFL owners who decided to maintain a ban on black players from nineteen, thirty, four to nineteen, forty six. And Marshall was the lone holdout among those owners for years he didn't integrate his team. Until nineteen, sixty two, when Washington was the only NFL franchise without a black player that change when Marshall drafted, heisman winner Ernie Davis with the number, one pick that year, and soon traded him to Cleveland for Mitchell and a couple of other players. Here's Mitchell recalling his response to the news of trade I just settle in to life in Cleveland, and all of a sudden someone saying get Outta here and. so it wasn't so much Washington it wasn't until later. That I said WHOA. I'm going to the Washington redskins of all places and so Mitchell became the first black football player for the Washington. NFL Franchise. Imagine the pressure that came with that groundbreaking designation. Mitchell talked about that, too. L. A. Hostage. I would have loved to just been able to go out and play. Slip all the things you go through to get to Sunday's chess. I JUST WANNA play. In spite of those difficult circumstances Mitchell excelled, he played for the franchise from nineteen, sixty, two to nineteen, sixty nine, and was named first team all pro three times when you retired Mitchell had the second most all purpose yards in NFL history he was ultimately inducted into the pro football hall of fame in nineteen, eighty three, and has number forty nine will be only the second number to be retired in franchise history so much Mitchell story already knew because Mitchell is originally from where my father is from Hot Springs Arkansas. They both attended Langston the only black high school in town. My father didn't personally know Bobby Mitchell, but he knew his younger brother Joseph. My father also knew of Mitchell's earlier exploits on the football field and track, which earned Mitchell a scholarship to the University of Illinois in the mid. Nineteen. Fifties Modesto also told me that from those years Ford. Loxton, high cheerleaders had some sort of cheer that went something like quote. Give it to me like Bobby Mitchell, but he couldn't remember the rest and probably for the best. Anyway I asked my dad if bobby. Mitchell was the best athlete out of his Little Arkansas School. His answer surprise me. He said well. He was probably the most well known. Anyone who's played football for some time with some degree of success, knows all of the players who had the talent, but didn't see it out to the finish for whatever reason. My Dad said some Guy Austin Britain was the best athlete he ever saw Langston, but that he dropped out of school whereas Bobby Mitchell went off and made something of himself. He made good he got. Got Excellent breaks my dad said so, that said if my dad wants to make an open question about who was the best football player to ever come out of links in school lit me offering a suggestion, my father Joe Wayne Anderson. Not Look I'm obviously biased here and I'll really know about my father's high school football careers that had happened in the nineteen sixties and my. K. Once told me Hey your dad could really scat so my dad. He's foot six probably not much more than one hundred and forty pounds. do not decide fool you. He told me of playing through concussions and broken teeth. One of his favorite football stories used to tell me was about getting hit so hard that he wants went to the wrong huddle, but he also played really well. He made the all-state team among the black schools in Arkansas. A few times. My Dad said he was not bragging it all. Just before graduation in nineteen, sixty five, his senior class at Langston, high went on a trip to Washington DC, but that doesn't recall much about the trip, but he absolutely remembers getting to meet local hero Bobby Mitchell Mitchell on my dad's coach had coordinated a brief meeting with the team during the visit. So remember I'm making the case here from my dad. Is Links best ever player? Here's some evidence. My Dad played alongside two other guys who go on to have long careers in the NFL, I, Thomas and John, little but that day in Washington. DC Mitchell gave the only autograph ball to Langston captain and best player my father. Now of course, my dad keep that ball. He went back home and gave it to his little brother. My uncle Donnie, who promptly lost it now. It's on accounted for. Anyway. My Dad had earned a football scholarship to a small school in South Dakota. It's called Huron College doesn't exist anymore. But Dad didn't know anyone there and he didn't have anything to bring with him. He didn't have any winter clothes. He told me I didn't have any money to buy toothpaste. Ma Father didn't last there more than a year before he was back home in hot springs in draft to Vietnam. There wasn't any more football after that. My Dad hardly ever talks about his football career because he's let it go. Over the years, he built another sort of life away from the game one that he should be proud of and one that I am very proud of. I wish I'd asked me more about his football days before I asked him about Bobby. Mitchell's father's day gave me a great excuse to make up for lost time, so thanks for indulging me. In their own ways, both Bobby Mitchell, and my dad deserves do after all these years. That was excellent and one thing that struck me in reading about Bobby. Mitchell was that he was always annoyed at being remembered as the first black player, and not as a hall of fame player like the first thing that gets mentioned about him, is that he was a part of this racist history of of the team that he was the one that broke the barrier, but you know even if he wasn't the best player from his Arkansas High School, he was still a very very good football player, and that's how he wanted to be remembered. Yeah, he talks of. The, the fact that Jim Brown was driven by him that they were teammates together and it. Jim Brown very much respected him and was driven by bobbies. Success to you know whenever bobby went out and did something really good Jim. Brown would have to like. Get the ball on the next place, so yeah, his Bona Fides a pretty up there. Fisher your your dad clearly. The Best Player you're on college to no doubt. No video confirm it, but I'm inclined to believe it. Stefan, what's Your Coo Holland? Robert William Dietz. eighty-six Michigan quick with his fists in the ring. That's another one of the short corona virus obits that the New York Times published a few weeks ago. Quick with his fists in the Ring I imagined that Robert William Dietz. A kid and dined off the stories for decades, and then I looked up and talk to his daughter and his nephew. Nobody called Robert William Deedes, Robert or bobby was duckie Doug Dietz. He got the nickname not because he wouldn't duck a fight, though he wouldn't duck affi- not on the street, not in bars, not in the ring he got it because when his three older sisters would take him swimming at Belle, isle in Detroit. They couldn't get him out of the. The water. He's like a duck. They said duckie grew up in the city's working class east side. His grandfather came from Germany. His father was a tool and die ma'am. He didn't start boxing until he was twenty. He trained at motorcity. Jim With Ray, Barnes who'd lost a sugar Ray Robinson in nineteen, thousand, nine, hundred fifty Joe Louis would stop by ducky had a v-shaped job puppy dog eyes and a crop of dark hair sportswriter called him a poor man's Elvis Presley. duckie mostly as a light heavyweight around one hundred and seventy five pounds, his first pro bowl was in one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty seven, when he was twenty three, he won, and he kept winning twenty of his first twenty three fights, eighteen by knockout at places around Michigan with names like Wizner Stadium and Light Guard. And Jefferson Beach Ballroom. duckie was a slugger. He come out swinging and knock guys out early or get knocked down himself in six fights that he won. He hit the canvas in the first round. He had a good style with bobbing and weaving his nephew Mike Dietz himself an ex boxer me when you through a right, keep come under and boom. Hit you and knock you out. At the end of nineteen sixty one duckie got his break. Heavyweight legend Rocky Marciano saw him fight took him to the London Chop House signed him to a contract. Marciano worked. Worked with the DUVA brothers manager, Carl and promoter Lou, they moved to new. Jersey put him up in a hotel, took care of his expenses told him all he had to do was train and fight rocky legs deeds because he has his style of fighter, the bombing type who's always throwing hard shots, Lou Duva told the SAIC Herald News Duckie's I fight in new. Jersey was at gladiators arena in Totta wa on January nineteenth, nineteen, sixty, two against the newcomer named Gogo White Duckie knocked him out in the second round seventeen days later, he was in Boston. Boston Garden knocking out another first-timer Sunshine Burns in the first round, and four days after that on February tenth duckie found himself in Madison Square Garden The headliner that night was the unbeaten young heavyweight from Louisville. As UPI described him Cassius clay before his fight against sunny banks, clay, told reporters on knocked him out within four rounds. Then I want Sonny. LISTON banks knocked Klay down in the first, but clay one on a Tko in the fourth he'd get and beat listen two years later like play. duckie went down in the first that night, but got up. Up and took a six round split decision over Tom Girardi. A local paper described it as a slug fest, but Marciano and the do goes through Duckie back in the ring and Totta w-we just six days later, against Herschel Jacobs. Who had lost a rubin? Hurricane, Carter a month earlier. Fourteen Hundred People Watch duckie hit the deck three times in eight rounds. It was a savage bout in which both fighters were marked and bloodied. The PASSAIC newspaper recounted with the Detroit Light, heavy, taking the worst beating three fights in ten days four in less than a month. Duckie didn't fight again until April a rematch against Jacobs. This time duckie took a terrific beating a reporter wrote, and the fight was stopped in the seventh round. The Paterson New said that Carl Duva ordered duckie to retire after the bout in reality, duckie quit injured, neglected disgusted, disillusioned I went to the hospital, and they didn't even take time to come and see me. ducky would say years later. I took my money and came home i. I told them to stick boxing. The money wasn't much the most duckie made with six hundred dollars for the garden fight. He got three hundred for the next one. The promoters made forty five hundred. He said duckie fought once more in Detroit. A third round T K over Chuck Wis Miller. Who would go on to train? Floyd, Mayweather, senior and junior and star in a reality show about his family's mortuary business and that was that. Donkey took a job as a mill right at Ford fixing machines on the factory floor. He worked there for thirty eight years. He also ran a boxing gym at the Canon Rec Center on the east side. He Knew Thomas hearns and his family, and the trainer Emanuel Steward. He coached kids every day for more than three decades they were his life boxers and his daughter Vam duckie was separated from his wife, but fully engaged in his daughter's life. He picked up after an overnight shift at Ford and taker to school. They'd watch. Heavyweight fights together duckie, talking style and tactics. He was an awesome guy. told. Me Drew People to him. duckie's record shows to fights in the nineteen seventies. When he was north of forty fundraisers for the gym, he won both won by knockout. His nephew Mike told me there was one more in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, seven, another fundraiser against the light heavyweight champion of Pennsylvania, duckie was forty three. His opponent was twenty four Emanuel Steward worked duckie's corner. Mike handled the spit bucket. duckie knocked that guy out to. duckie had gnarled swollen arthritic hands. He broke every knuckle, but one mostly one hundred or so street fights. A disjointed knows battered cheekbones. In the end there was Alzheimer's and bone cancer, but duckie kept telling stories about his boxing life, and he never complained toughest guy I ever met in my life by Far Mike, said the sweetest guy, too. He was nice to everybody so loving Mike said, but he was the kind of guy. You just didn't call out. He puts his stuff on the bell rings, and he's a stone cold killer. Rest in peace duckie deeds. May You be quick with your fists in the ring, wherever you are. That was great I. Love Duckie and Rocky. Marciano champion bucks a kind of scum ball manager, yeah! Boxing. Not The most wholesome profession. I've mean deep. He fought as much as NBA. Players Play Basketball Games I. mean for that little stretch. It crazy thing about this story to is that he did not get an obituary in the Detroit free press. The line quick with his fists in the rang, was written by his daughter. FM In paid obituary that ran on the paper so I hope this makes up for that it did. That's show for today. Our producer is Melissa Kaplan to listen to past shows and subscribe or just reachout. Dot Com slash. Hang up, and you can email us at hang up at SLATE DOT com. If you're still here I'm guessing you might want even more. Hang up and our bonus segment. Josh Joel and I will talk about a story that I wrote for slate last week about a proposal to Bam slurs from competitive scrabbling I'm just actually trying to imagine being a black scrabble player, an opponent, non black opponent, using that word against me and saying Oh. That's just all the stakes of the game. You know what I mean like yeah! I would actually feel like you were trying to offend me under those circumstances. 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John Holmberg Live From Tempe (ACS Sept 21)

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Outside which is always weird to me when it's insanely hot and then you have the big pumpkins and the gargoyles. And the head swordsman you don't know what it is I'll tell you how clean is not a hot weather holiday because it's all loosely based on the reese's peanut butter. Cup. SUSIC gets over ninety six degrees. The reese's peanut Butter Cup goes from the fucking best thing you've ever put in your mouth to how do I get this shit out of the rapper. Who I gotta blow to get some of this out of this fucking rapper. It is Racist Cup is awesome at room temperature. It's awesome when it comes out of the refrigerator and it's awesome in northern climates. But when it's one hundred and fourteen degrees outside you just pull it open and go down on like you're. Going down it's like going down at a homeless person I know. Thoughts John. Well, the last time it went down on a homeless person the diarrhea wasn't a problem. So I didn't I wasn't reminded that the I remember it tasting. So Much Reece's Cup I have to be honest. I don't normally go down on homeless people but. When you don't. When you don't want to break twenty and someone's asking you for money like what are you GonNa do. Your option. I had I flew out here a couple of hours ago on South West and. Like by the way I now realize you know you know you're smoking friends when they made the decree no, no smoking on flights right and so you had your smoker friends going well, it's a six hour flight from New York to La never like kind of freaked out like they'd be just smoking out on the curb and then they put the nicotine patch on and they go on the plane. I'm that way with booze. Now on the fly like somebody announced, we're not gonNA have booze on these flights anymore and I'm out on the curb with a bag with bathtub GIN and. I. And I went to the Burbank airport you guys want. A little a little tip, and if you want to know science, I was at the Burbank airport and I got myself a vodka soda water with Lemon in it, and then I got onto the southwest flight you know the thing that's interesting about boarding a southwest flight. Speaks a lot. Of. Dynamics psychologically like I was like what? What group? What's our? Boarding Group. I was be one of the first one in the B. Category and looking at my my boarding ticket. I was like, Oh, be one feeling pretty good about myself. I'm the number one in the in the B group, and then we got there and there was nobody in the C group and I was like fuck this shit. We're all the losers they're supposed to be behind me. So I went from happy with my be one pissed off because no one else was miserable that there were behind me like you guys ever do that. You get in line at a starbucks at an airport and you're like shit there's like twelve people in this line and like I'm in this line, and then you're in it for awhile and you're like, why aren't people behind me like how come why the last? person in this line shouldn't it some after twenty minutes shouldn't I be the middle person in this line of twelve wise nobody sidled up behind me but I got a vodka soda water with Lemon in it and I was drinking it and we're boarding the plane and I thought I'm Gonna I'm bringing this drink on the plane and I want to get on the plane and as there were checking my tickets, she said. What's in the COP and I said Just the tears virgins now I said. I said with a straight face. Soda Water and she went. Because she wasn't GonNa put her pinky and then lick it like. Jack. Lord. Hawaii five O go away. That's. All right. It's an old reference, but the point is. I go. Soda Water She goes. Okay. Then I get up and walk up the ramp and I get onto the plane and the flight attendants said what's in the cup and I went Didn't you hear. Soda Water and she goes okay. This is why you have to drink clear booze everybody don't fucking get sucked. Don't get stuck on the EIP. Or the Scotch because if you get into the vodka, you can go anywhere with this I was asked three times Watson the cop and I just kept saying so water each time but you are going to have to travel with your own booze, the moral, the story John I always find it hilarious whenever people talk about traveling to that as men I don't know if people notice adamant of you do this. But while you're on the plane after you've boarded as a man, our arrogance kicks in to the point where we'll watch women walk by and go if this fucker goes down that's the one I'm nailing like we could get an erection and maintain it during a plane crash. In our brains that we're that powerful of visceral men it's like, yeah, she's a two rows behind me. This thing starts going into the mountains I'm going into her also. I don't imagine it's happened often but what if you had picked out your rape victim John? She's she's homeless Adam. It doesn't count you. There was fire coming from the from the engine on the right wing you're heading toward the mountain. In fact, you did then charge your victim within Iraq. In fact have sex with this person and then at some point, the pilot goes full Solan Burger and pulls and pulls the thing off it gets. We found it refounded lion you're in you're you're pulling out screaming? No Oh no. Still worth it. There's two heroes on that plane. That's right. I was somebody was reminding me a Mike August reminding me that the last time I was here was probably ten years ago right last time I did stand up. On. This stage where your hair. All right. So this is very weird. Be careful what you ask for thing happen when I was here about about a decade ago, which was like so out of a movie so I was a I got canned for my radio job and I was I was literally just I have. No, I had I had twins. My my twins who are fourteen now were you know year and a half two years old whatever were young twins I got fired from my radio job. And I had no way to make money I had no radio job. So they said, can you go out and just do stand up comedy like we'll book you in comedy clubs and I was like I'm not a stand up comedian I don't have an aunt and they just put something together. We'll sell tickets, put you on the marquee, and so what I did is I did this sort of interactive thing I had like slide shows and. I would talk about Oh and this is one I'd kind of this is your life kind of stand up with training wheels is is basically what it was like I wasn't just doing a rat a tat tat joke thing, and so it was at this club and I was I was a few months into doing this and I was at my hotel a couple miles from here and Sarah Silverman stand up comedian she called me and she said. Hair Adam I'm doing this benefit. Can you play this benefit and I said, yeah, and she said, where are you and I said I'm in I'm in Arizona. I'm doing a comedy show and she said, yeah, I, heard you're doing stand up what's that light? and. I said well, I'm not really doing stand up you're doing standup Sarah I'm doing this whole sort of Av powerpoint presentation thing it's like it's cheating cheating stand up with training wheels and she said Oh that's nice and I said Yeah Yeah I'm not really doing stand up like what you would do I'm just doing like a kind of presentation and she said Okay and hung up the phone I gotta go do the show and I came to the club, which is this club before they remodeled. And I got to the club and both shows were sold out did the first show no problem Oh powerpoint presentation. The second show came around and about five minutes before the show started the manager came to the Green. Room and said the light bulbs out on the projector we got nothing we got nothing. You got nothing I. Don't have anything either and. It's sold out to ninety minutes show as I got another we don't have a bulb. So you got another figure it out and I got a little box layup but I made like five beats on the buck sleep and I was walking out on stage and I was thinking, Fuck I, just told Sarah Silverman. That I don't really do standup. I just do this sort of cop-out powerpoint presentation slide bullshit and I'm not really a stand up and down walking out on stage and the bulb is gone and I have to wing it for ninety minutes. And it went really well, and when we're done the guy who normally runs the slide projector said, wow, that was killer. I guess you don't need me anymore and I was like, no, I don't. But. He was joking but. I wasn't but that that was That was the last time I was here you were digital carrot top to. The Joe Carrot Top and There was a local. Dj Name Meet. Me? Yes there was me as I was saying me like this burnout guy named meet and he was supposed to bring me up on stage and a last show the last night meet goes. He Goes Hey. I off he said I got a sugar mama and I was like you gotTa Sugar Mama because this guy this guy did not look like he was worthy of a sugar mama and I said. How does this work because I WANNA Sugar Mama? What do you get with her sugar? Mama literally he looked at me and he goes I was my sugar mama work I go. How's it work? He goes. See. This T shirt I go. Yeah. She got it for me. You gotta go down a reese's peanut Butter Cup, and July. It all you got a t-shirt with a dragon on it. But a meet, and this was at this club to which made me laugh like the very last night migos. Him and My Dad's in the audience and I go okay good for you and he goes. Can I do about ten minutes worth a comedy and I go I dunno mate were sold out. These people are here to see you. You GotTa drag on your t shirt and he's like. I'll just through ten minutes and I go. I go I don't think it's a good idea to my dad sick and he's in the audience and I go. Okay. Do ten minutes meet and we're walking through that back door over there before they remodeled this thing like we're coming through the kitchen and I, should go do it and he came out and instead of bringing me out, he did the world's longest least funny story about now thing and I was standing through that exit sign back there and Mike August who were just standing with her book. It was like looking at me the whole time what the fuck did you Talev? He's doing ten minutes. Stands dying, and now he's dying. I think that was the last time I was here. Does it count as a sugar mom if you met her at Kohl's To, be fair, he had shorts and the shirt well, at least were shorts. Could we ever? We is anyone ever at that point were you could wear a shirt short combo like that match like you know when you you know when the when the black NBA ballers reunited with his biological father. He's wearing the collared shirt that matches like he's got the burnt orange shirt that matches the burnt orange. Onesie worry like is wearing tasseled loafers shoes as well like I could never pull that shit off. Tommy. hearns used to wear full suits with shorts and they match like he cut his slacks and looks ridiculous but it was Thomas but. Hers was such a devastating knockout artists as a boxer. That there were like Thomas hearns started his career as the motor city. Cobra. He was the Motor City Cobra. About halfway into his career, like one nickname isn't good enough for you Tom. We need Tommy the Hitman hearns so he was literally. He was M- Tommy, the motor, city, Cobra hearns because he was from Detroit, any punch like a fucking Cobra, and then he went to Thomas the Hitman hearns and the very I joke. I ever told on radio. Was I was working so the way I got into radio is I was Jimmy Kimmel's boxing coach on k rock in Los Angeles. So I was working as a boxing coach in Los Angeles that white collar boxing plays and there is a morning zoo type. Of. Ever told. Thing. I know a little bit about this. This was like a morning zoo type thing where. Jimmy the sports guy who is Jimmy Kimmel was gonNA fight. Michael. The Maintenance Man on K rock. For as a morning show stunt. And they're like, we need boxing trainers and I was working as a boxing trainer and a carpenter I'll train one of them to box and I kept calling the radio station the morning show and eventually I showed up and I became Jimmy's boxing coach and they were putting me on the air some I'm looking at you John Because you get how this goes. You interview the trainer a week before the five like how's the progress of above? But I was a budding comedian who was a boxing coach. So I was like, how do I be funny doing this morning radio show and actually be like a legitimate boxing coach. The I joke I ever told on the radio was in nineteen, ninety four. It was probably about may nineteen ninety-four right before the boxing match and Kevin, and bean said, we need to interview the coaches and