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Keep Sounding: Thomas Davis Retirement Special

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Keep Sounding: Thomas Davis Retirement Special

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Because two of the biggest panthers icons in their franchise's history have chosen to retire as panther after both of them subsequently left to go to other teams after a very very long tenure with the team. thomas davis and greg olsen so on. Today's episode. We're going to discuss the history of thomas davis some of our own personal experiences favorite memories etc etc but man what a hell of a career guys like towards acl. Three times retired nine seasons later. That's just incredible. It's technically nine years to. But i when i wrote the piece for cat scratch reader about it. I intentionally use the word seasons. Because i didn't want somebody to be like well. It's been ten years 'cause it was two thousand eleven when it happened. And i just put nine seasons because it's been nine seasons but No matter what word you wanna use for it it is inhumanely unimaginable. That someone could do that by. It's crazy to think that a decade ago we were talking about. Whether or not thomas davis could ever play again because he tore his acl for the third time. Yeah i mean. There are a lot of players who tear their acl once and they're never the same again. Yeah i mean and he didn't he didn't just play like an end up being a special team guy for a couple of years. He was a fricken pro bowl. Or all pro leads. The team in tackles that kinda guy for a decade after the third one. It's insane when it's i. It's hard to put it into words that the the guts that it takes to be able to come back from something like that and have a borderline hall of fame career. I'll know i'm sure a lot of people have like. I've never had anything series by the amount of like frustration and dedication. Thanks like back to like when you sustain any sort of injury Like the surgery. Only fixes like the fact that ligament is missing. Whatever but the fact that you have to like actually the the hard part is rehabbing which is getting your strength back and all that stuff and it's not fun like it kind of hurts but more importantly it's really frustrating. Because things that you expecting to be able to do our hard and You know the. I think the first time you do. It isn't the isn't awful. Because it's it's a challenge right like you. Oh i need to regain this need to get back to our was before and it's like you can see as especially for someone who's a professional athlete that is kind of wired to be competitive that there's some challenge but when you get to the very end of that you're ready to go and you come to camp and it was like the second day of camp and you tear it in. It takes a lot of mental and then again the third time later afford to dislike. Start over from square one when you have absolutely nothing to show for. How much work you put in the previous time in the previous times really. Yeah i mean he was twenty eight. He was twenty six the first time he did at twenty seven the second time and twenty eight the third time. So that's the the so-called beginning of his time and he is marred by injury. And like i mentioned a minute ago and alluding to what you just said. I'm not rehab in my knee three times. Like i'm i'm built different than thomas davis like. I'm not gonna do it after the two thousand eleven three games into the year when he did it again. That's it for me. i'm like okay. Clearly whatever god is out there is telling me. Hey you're not supposed to play football because we keep trying to tell you. And you're not listening and i would just eventually just be like you know what fine i don't. I don't wanna do this anymore. So major props to him for continuing to do it. Yeah it's it it had to be super demoralizing for him. Because i remember the. I remember the year that he tore it the first time. He was playing extremely well at that time. Like he was definitely getting into the version of thomas davis that we have come to know and love and then like he had that setback and then he just had two more horrible setbacks at it was like most players who have that many injuries in a row and our miss that many years in a row. They don't come back and it's not it's not. It may not even be their fault k. One short for example. He's been out for the last two seasons with shoulder injuries which aren't even necessarily as theoretically career impacting as tearing. Acl three times. And he didn't last for for a third season like it's major props to him to continue working hard and showing the the team that he's willing to come back and play at a high level and obviously it's also it's also part partly something you can attribute to ron rivera and the panthers for not giving up on him granted they the third time around. They brought him back and it was a relatively less risky deal for them. They could have theoretically cut bait with men not had any problems But he had just signed a major a major contract when he had his first injury. So it's like he could have just cut bait and left took the guaranteed money retired lived a long happy life. You know and instead. He fought his way back and he managed to make it to the super bowl. Shame we didn't get him that ring but no god yes if there's an nfl player there's a. There's a handful of guys in the league that they deserve a super bowl ring. And thomas davis is on that list You know there's there's a couple of panthers that are on that list. But i mean thomas davis is up there with guys. Like larry fitzgerald that just they just they fucking deserve a super bowl ring and it's a shame and a crime that we couldn't give him once. He broke his arm in the nfc championship game and in two weeks later. He's got his arm is sewed up and it looks literally like a football the way they back together. And he's got a damn like a metal rod and plate in their holden shit together and he went out there and played in the super bowl. Yup that's dedication. I remember you guys talking about like and it's got the same thing we're talking about with like the toughness in the pain tolerance in like the mental strength to To be able to catalyze overcome all that stuff and like that desire to win. I think and i think now like the panthers would be any different position his here but i do think very contagious. And very especially when it comes from a player. Thomas davis who isn't like corny about it or cheesy about it with a whole like wanna win so bad he just kinda like does it. You can tell he really cares. And he he had seven tackles. Five solo tackles for loss with a broken arm in the super bowl at. I wanna say he was thirty. Three years old could be sounds like it could be right. That would make him. A son was starting to in two thousand fifteen well depending on his. Brady's thirty one is this march. So you so. He was thirty one he had he was thirty. He was right before he turned thirty three. So yeah yeah i mean. I'm older than that. But i'm within a decade of that. And i can not see myself seven years ago doing that i i just. I couldn't do. Even if i was a fleet like i could not see myself doing it. I think that was a no go ahead. I would say the other thing. That was really impressive about. It was not necessarily just like looking at stats. Because i mean as far as linebackers go. I mean he was a good linebacker in the league if you just look at his stats. But we watched him on the field goal and step for step with luke. Keith lee one of the greatest linebackers of this generation like he was going step for step with him. They were competing like they created like one of the greatest linebacker tandems maybe ever as far as just a to linebacker group like he was going. Step for step with luke. Keith lee who was born to play this fucking football game in every sense of the word and he was going step for step with him. Like keith lee had his high football. I q stuff the things that only he could do but man davis had plenty of the same tackles for loss that he did like i remember. I remember watching that ravens. Game after keith. Lee like knocked the crap out of the ravens linebacker or running back in a thomas davis picked it up and scored. Now this is going to be a really special duo. Sure enough they were. It was insane like just exciting to watch two two players that were that fucking good playing together on the defensive front just running around like crazy and not making tackles making plays like they the two of them probably single handedly beat the saints in two thousand thirteen. Yeah one of my favorite Random thomas davis facts and eric pointed this out to us in our slack. Chat and i believe he pointed out in in the article for see. I'm not one hundred percent sure. Because i read that earlier today and have forgotten it but Thomas davis never had a pick six in his entire career. You think being a linebacker and playing as long as he did he would have lucked into one. but he didn't he only had one touchdown. It was a scoop and score fumble recovery. He didn't have as many turnovers. Generalize i think you would think he only had thirteen interceptions for his career. In eleven fumble recoveries part of it is just the nature of the position. He played Middle middle linebackers tend to be the ones that get reads and stuff and get those picks because they're playing in the middle of the field which is typically right. Where the quarterbacks aiming if they're throwing anywhere around a running back where davis was typically covering a tight end maybe a slot receiver on the outside and even sometimes on the weak side of the formation when he played week outside linebacker so he wasn't even necessarily in the throwing window to make those plays so. Yeah but you would think that like in twelve years he would have gotten a this screen like you would have picked off a bubble screen unlike the fifteen yard line and ran it back or something funny that that he never did like. I not taking anything away from him. Obviously but it's it's bizarre. He always had his signature. Was those crazy interceptions. Like more so than the the interception where he cuts on it gets the ball and can run with it. He always had those link like the one that i always remember is when he lined up as a as a defensive end in two thousand thirteen against the saints and he fucking jumped to like the sky to go intercept. That pass from drew. Brees like there aren't many linebackers in the in the game could have made that play winston like that one time too i remember specifically that he jumped up and and i think that was in two thousand fifteen if i remember right but he made a play that you don't see linebackers make so. Yeah he does. He has several of those. It's funny that you brought up the saints interception. 'cause that was the first one i thought i was like. I remember when he jumped up really high to interceptor breeze to seal Back remember the year but back when it felt like it was impossible to beat the saints. Because we just never did that. That could be here. Yes it will. There was a time in the middle where it was like. Hey sometimes they beat the saints and it's always points with a total of seventy six for the gay but it was always either thirty eight to thirty five or forty one to thirty eight days before that and then after that it was just like. Oh no we The saints they're going to average exactly five yards of play. No more no less on any play and they will score forty points. We'll just slowly lose by thousand cuts. And then thomas remember that because it was like. Oh wow we actually won for once. Yup that was one of my favorite place by him. I think that He also did that again. In against the falcons a couple times to like game clinching. Interception that was his. Thing was the game clincher. He even had that sick one against the packers where he had to dive backwards and catch it in the playoffs now. It wasn't the playoffs. It was twenty fifteen during the regular season when they were on that real of winning news aaron rodgers throw the microsoft service. Yes yeah yeah when he yeah when he had a wide receiver as we were choking the game away he threw at. Thomas davis strikes. Tom davis yeah. That was that play. That happens sometimes. You know yeah apple to the best of them. Forget that a lot of like it's of sports that high of a level it just use have to mess up net less than your opponent. 'cause everybody's everyb- everybody's good everyb- everybody on the field as a professional athlete even the worst players in the nfl like there. The college superstars by the way. This is well. i don't want to get out. There's a little bit of a tangent kind of back to the injury thing Thomas davis tearing his acl packers. I was at that game. I think because it was the same game where He was the last game of nick collins that his safety because he injured his neck johnson. Stewart's legs or something. He liked dough for stewart and basic headbutted him in in head vitamin the fire. Or something like that. Yeah jonathan stewart is not someone who you want you wanna fuck around with us lower area. Because he's just like fucking truck so yeah yeah that was Is sustaining a neck injury while attempting to tackle down the sewer. And i remember like seeing it and being like almost. This is not about tom swimmer. That he's just. He's just pretending to be hurt because he had barest for. Getting stiff armed is no. He's never going to play. Football games. like yeah yeah but In that game because as a game. Thomas david stories. Acl and i think that was kind of where my like in my development as a sports fan. Was that a player. Walking off the field does not mean. They are not hurt because thomas davis tortoiseshell and he was just like well that sucks and he just walked off. The field. Vary like no limp. And you could tell. He was frustrated but there was no by other than the emotions on his face. You cannot tell he was injured. You just like walk off with the normal gate and like right back to the locker room. It's guys bobby fine you know. He's tore his. Acl again is the only out for an calendar year. Oh thank you. Yeah that one was really shitty. That was his third one to knows the last one yes campaign. What was the second day of training camp. The second one. I remember very vividly. Because i didn't actually get to see it That was when i used to work at old navy. And i would be were usually had to work on sundays and stuff like that and the date like during the time where north were like. Nowadays i can actually like pay attention to football. And i was really excited because i think that was the year where they had. Jon beason and james anderson's still. I want to say but i was pretty excited about the heaven three of them together and i remember my phone went off and i and this is what i learned that whenever. Espn alert kits. You and it's in the off season. It's because someone got cut or someone got injured and pretty much and i read it and was like all fuck love. Thomas davis i- i- specifically like really had liked him because i played with the panthers and madden and he always had the The made the big hit the big hit. The hit sting like talk. Wasn't that great. Yeah it was the big trait where where you can hit. Stick someone he would blow the fuck up. And i was like oh man. I wanted to watch him play again. I legitimately thought when he when he tore it the second time in training camp. I thought he was done because it was like right after he had missed over half the season before and he had just come back and it was literally like the second day of camp and he did it again. And i'm i'm sitting there and i'm like there is no way he will ever play again like he. He just won't be able to come back. And i'll be damned if he didn't if approved this all wrong. I mean he was damn good from two thousand twelve to two thousand and eighteen when we let him go. I mean he was legitimately consistent top half of the league statistically and a team leader you know on and off the field all of that stuff you know for six years and the he missed most of three seasons but right after that third. Acl when he came back in two thousand twelve he missed a combined. Total of six games until he left carolina and four. Those were in one season when he i think he hurt his hamstring county. He got suspended are actually. I think that might have been what that was. Actually now that you bring that up. I completely forgot about that day. He started the game suspension. So he missed two games to injury and six years and the stupid part was the suspension was one of those where they had just updated the The banned substances list and he didn't even know that that they had done that so he was kinda been taken for a long time. It was a supplement he had been taking for years. That was legal until it wasn't anymore. Which to me is bullshit. But that's a whole different story. Also have more news for you brad. I guess he didn't two games so he missed five games suspension because he also got suspended for that helen's alma hitting davante adams. Oh but he's still you but you're right so he had to That total he in those two seasons he missed five games but they're all suspension related so he missed two games. He was two thousand twelve and wanted to hundred fourteen Since coming back from all the knee injuries jesus christ. That's insane consistency. Well we were talking about. This guy is better than the other navy brought up jobbies especially like when you juxtapose that with jon beason. Who's of a similar age. He's even a little younger. Yeah he was weighing up. Yeah and we saw like us sixty four straight years where he didn't miss a game then he tore his achilles and then he just like basically never played football officially Effectively again i know. Torn achilles is different. I mean to be fair and achilles is a little bit different. But i mean it still. I think the bears is equal to one achilles tear. Yeah but like the just the the idea of like not being able to stay healthy like it wasn't like he just kept like ago. He's out with a hamstring strain. And now he's out with a groin strain and now he's got this other nagging injury. Just 'cause i know beason suffered a lot of those nagging injuries. Because he was trying to overcompensate to not put too much on the achilles yeah you get to this point where like you know especially like the amount of physical stress it you have to go under to like be your professional athlete and then when you get hurt and you basically go down you go from like training like a professional football player to not doing anything like it's really hard especially again with a give competitive drive of these players like get back to a level of like training at two training effectively enough to be an nfl athlete and not like overdoing it too quickly. Because and then getting to the point where you're just like hurting yourself over and over again because you're not you're doing stuff you're trying to get back into things too quickly. Yeah it's i forget who we were talking to in the slash. I don't remember who brought it up but a he's just a different generation of toughness that we're not going to see in the nfl anymore. Because eric yeah because he comes from an era. Where if you don't play you're leading your team down. So it's like he definitely played through being hurt but he still did it for how many years even after that and granted. You know it's just has to do with the general wear and tear on your body. It doesn't seem like davis had a whole lot of issues that nagged him aside from the which you eventually got over but as like players. Don't come in the nfl with that kind of toughness mindset. Because usually if something happens where they might have a long term injury happened. They don't play through it and it's not their fault. It's at the culture of football has changed like nowadays that coaches. Want you to sit out. If you're hurt like they will make you sit out Sometimes in the instances with people like ron rivera they sit out for a while saying they. They'll end up playing only for them to end up on. I are at some point. But it's one of those things where it's like. He's one of those guys. We probably won't see ever again because these players bodies aren't built to withstand that kind of punishment anymore at least not in the same sense that he was just mind blowing support for this episode comes from locker room the app. That's changing the way we talk. Sports locker room sports fans dream. Come true it's alive audio platform that lets you connect with other fans experts. And even the athletes themselves locker room easy to start your own conversations. Talk about the latest rumors takes news and teams you care about most join massive watch parties for all of your friends to react together in real time as you celebrate a buzzer beater or suffer the agony of a crucial grits. Free throw. 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My favorite absolute favorite. Thomas davis memory. There are two. I've already talked about the first. One is the super bowl where he played football on his arm. Mad respect for that. I respect anyone who is willing to do that. But number two my favorite. Thomas davis memory is when he made jimmy graham his personal tackling dummy. I mean it would be. There would be plays where they weren't even really involved in the play and he would like jimmy grams asks on fire and i've never seen someone dislike another player as much as thomas davis disliked jimmy. Graham and i loved every single second of it. Yeah it's funny. I don't even remember. Thomas davis for jimmy. Graham ever really coming out and publicly like talk. Yeah we flight. There's no. He dissed me or whatever. They just did. Not like jimmy graham. I don't know if it's because it. It was a saints panthers thing or what but he had graham he really did and i think part of it was just having to do with setting the tone because when you a player like jimmy graham like jimmy. Graham was never known to be a blocker or at least not a high end blocker physical players. I think thomas davis was just getting his head and a little bit when he was like. I'm gonna declare you on this play when you're trying to block me. You know like that was those. Were always fucking amazing. I love those the gift of him. Like i don't know if it was an interception or whatever but it will be an interception. He was technically blocking him. Yeah fucking him on the ground so good so good job. What about you. What i do i just Agree that thomas davis just openly disliking jimmy. Graham that actually saying it but just like the kind of your point of the when he the way he plays just like me and you can just tell without knowing any sort of subject because we there was nothing like behind like for anybody to imply that they didn't like each other and just watching how he was like man he just clearly has a problem with them for some reason. Do that to anybody else. That's what made it so funny. It was just like whatever reason he was the bull and jimmy. Graham was the red kate like that was just. I don't know but i loved it up. But the other one would be popping his finger back in the middle of the play and then making. Oh god i remember the nfl top one hundred thing where they talked about that and i that made me uneasy just watching it on tv and he out there is doing that shit and i'm like didn't he. Like light up the running back to after he did that. Oh yeah up. Does like an perfect form tackle easily. Let me get my fingers or ear. And then i will use all of them to wrap them up and drive them into the ground. Wasn't it marshall on that. He tackled too. I don't remember. I honestly can't remember honestly can't remember like the game that it had happened until afterwards because it's not something you can really see in real time But yeah silent. And i don't remember for whatever reason i can picture like. I know exactly like the remember. The behind the end zone camera angle and everything but it was marshawn lynch. Okay yeah so. I'm just gonna tackle like the hardest running back to tackle. Yeah i mean it's always tackle marschall allege he did it. Yeah he did it while multitasking. Against tasked yeah. Yeah that's great man. Like if i dislocated my finger on injured reserve like i'm out and yeah i dislocated fingers twice playing football. And in both instances. I was like holy fuck. My hand hurts a lot. What's going on here. And then i look at my love and be like oh look at my finger and then i got off the field and didn't do anything about it. Where like he's just like. Oh he's fucking pops back in which is not which is not a pleasant feeling by the way when someone does that so and its own thing to do that like going back to the huddle. Hey whatever hey k. One or hey luke where you put my finger back in. That's one thing but he during the goddamn play like he does it. Yeah and then and then makes the tackle. That's it's just it's insanity it's just built different. Yeah it really is My two favorites are the hit against the forty niners in twenty thirteen. When like you didn't really know. If the panthers were legit yet so they are playing the niners and obviously the niners were pretty damn good football team and he just fucking blows up the running back in the whole enforces a fumble. That was like. I think i may seem someone host that either on twitter on an article but that was like that's what you should be showing linebackers when you're trying to teach them how to form tackle because he it was a beautiful perfectly. Formed tackle settled his hips down blasted him and like running back had no chance and it was just one of those things where it was like because of the context of the moment where it was like. Carolina was proving that they were a playoff contender. Fucking beautiful. I loved it i still. I still whatever i see that hit. I just smile because it was so good. The other one for me is actually. It was a hit on marshawn lynch. I don't think it was the dislocated finger. One but he hit marshawn lynch so hard that marshawn lynch rolled up an offensive lineman and you so he just took out two people in one play. It was like. I don't think that's the same play. Yeah he i think that was also in two thousand thirteen. Maybe not but he he ran up. Marshawn lynch had a full head of steam and he put marshawn lynch on. It's fucking back which you didn't see very often like marshawn lynch typically you hit him you both stop at the at the very least and then like you drag him down you wait for the forum. Tackle no fucked. Put him down and he hit a linebacker. He hit the hit him so hard that he flew back into an offensive. Lineman rolled up. Which i don't think the offensive linemen got hurt so that was good but yeah it was just like oh shit thomas right. I love that could go on forever. I mean i could literally all day about. Thomas davis he is my favorite. Nfl player ever on on a personal note The only thing i don't like about him is where he went to college. Yeah i'm sorry but we can't all be perfect so now we can't it's true it's flawed man would be perfect yes. Thomas davis went to literally any other school. He would be perfect. The one thing. I will share just on. A personal note is Back when i was early on writing for cssr. i remember this stuff. Came out about the comeback player of the year. I think this is two thousand thirteen And they were basically like yeah. It's gonna be peyton manning and like i was fucking pissed. 'cause you know obviously had just come back from three acl tear. So i got out on my computer. And just like kinda wrote up like a a personal Retrospect on his on what i had watched as a fan of his and read that re tweeted it and it was like it was like the most shared article. I've ever written like to this day. It was the biggest one ever. It's just it was always like a per like that personal touch that like he actually went in read it and shared it with his fans was just fucking awesome like because he never does that he doesn't do self promotion or anything like that so that was just like for me like that me on the thomas davis train wherever i was like. This guy is one of my favorite players of all time just because he did. Because i'm just some random dude on the internet who was like. Thomas davis. Look at all the stuff he did. You know that's the perfect segue brian. What's that like. That's the perfect segue. For what i was going to talk about guard. His wife re tweeted something. I wrote a couple years ago as well about his charity work. And i remember that yes. That's something that we haven't talked about yet. And i feel like we would be remiss if we did not discuss that. Thomas davis is the only player in panthers history to be the walter payton man of the year personal opinions on that aside His the only You'll find out more about that in a future episode of this podcast. But he's the only one from our team to ever be walter payton man of the year and it was in two thousand and fifteen when he was he won for his defending dreams foundation. And if you want to learn more about his charity you can go to defending dreams dot org. I will read the brief summary of what it is The foundation is built on the principle and of educate empower and defend and it strives to encourage students to develop essential life and social skills. That will make them the leaders of tomorrow through education leadership development and volunteerism. The thomas davis defending dreams foundation allow students to see the potential of their dreams in action. So if you'd like to support. Thomas davis charity. You can do so at defending drains dot or he does a lot of work with the charlotte community and the youth and building towards a better and more positive america. I am glad that he was recognized for that work. I know all thirty. Two teams have a representative and all thirty. Two players do great charity work. That's not taking anything away from any of them. But thomas davis invest in one of the most important things which is the young generations behind us. That are coming up into the future and building towards a better tomorrow so i think that's something that that's to me is one of the things that that always made me like him more than other players and not to say that other players aren't worthy charitable efforts aren't worthy but It just i like seeing these players give back and i like seeing them invest in our youth and it makes me proud to be associated with a team. That thomas davis place for or played for when i see things like that. So you know kudos for for all the work. He's off the field as as well as on it. I agree. i don't have a. Thomas davis charity story to share. But he did let. His son signed the nome for walker. We'll get. I have a walker gnome story for a future episode of this show to just just a caveat on that so one thing too about that kind of charity work is that kinda invests in the kind of things that are really important for our future generations because depending on your age. Whoever's listening to this podcast you might not. You might struggle with a lot of the things that he is specifically trying to get younger people to look at things like handling their money social issues like just an overall being successful adult in this day and age and that's something where a lot of kids don't get that training like basic school doesn't cover it's There's definitely volunteer work out there and educational programs that you can attend but a lot of that stuff where it's like. It's not put directly in front of them or encourage where someone with. Thomas davis you know background in his name and everything like that and the charlotte community. That's a really really important thing. And he he's done a very good a very good thing for those people because a lot of the people who benefit from those programs are also impoverished. So it's something where it's teaching them. You know the skills that they might need to try and be successful and pull themselves out of it so i think i've always really really really appreciated what he does in that community absolutely. Yeah it's easy to root for guys that give back. Yeah especially guys who give in the sense that he did words now just donations here. And they're like he set up a whole fucking foundation and he's career gordon. Yeah he gives the most important asset and that's his time anybody can write a check will not anybody but any athlete can write a check like they can all do that but he. He actually gives his time his effort and he builds a community like. That's yes that's a step above and that's just something that you just. He's being a mentor to these people. And he's showing people around the league how they conduct themselves and how they should act how they can really impact their communities. And i'm proud of him for it. I'm glad i'm glad that he took his career and his his story of fighting through adversity. He's gonna take it and use that to teach others how to fight through adversity. Because that's it's life's not easy and then everybody can teach people how to fight the versity. It's thomas davis like it definitely is absolutely. Yeah john you got anything to add. No i think that's a pretty good place to two in. The thomas davis special. Let's yes i'm worried about now right. I think that's a good place to end. The thomas davis special episode. I agree well. Hey thanks for tuning in. Thanks for checking out. Stay tuned on cssr for thursday's coverage on the retirement of thomas davis the retirement of greg olsen. We got plenty articles coming out We've had posted a few already on. Thomas davis we'll be posting a few on greg olsen posted on doing this for years. And you still don't understand how time works time is a time is a human a flat. Fumble yeah well yeah anyway. Thanks for tuning in and on checkout our next episode. We'll be talking to you all soon. Take care safe out there. Stay healthy and we'll we'll be here.

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J.J. Watt & Thomas Davis

The Adam Schefter Podcast

40:58 min | 2 years ago

J.J. Watt & Thomas Davis

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Thomas Davis who has dealt with adversity all season long from the death of his father, Tim returning from his four game suspension and ESPN NFL researcher, Evan Kaplan will join us to give us the latest insight in preview on week seven, but first JJ watt JJ. Thanks very much for doing this. I appreciate it. No problem. Thanks for having me. I'm watching the game on Sunday and I'm watching what you did, and I'm watching your postgame comments and your furred to the critics who the people who say you lost it, who, who said you had lost JJ. You know, we are, you know, we always y'all negative comments this your and whatnot. But I mean, I don't blame anybody that that said that. I mean, I don't. I don't blame anybody at all this last two seasons. So they have they have a right to believe that it was. It was possibly over that I could never come back and be the same. So I don't believe any. I don't blame anybody that had those thoughts, but it doesn't mean they can't use it as a little bit of motivation. Did you hear that though? I mean, did you hear people say you would never come back? You would never be the same. Oh, yeah, plenty. Plenty of people. I mean, all over whether it was just social media or whether it was media or whatever it was, but and that's, I mean, I, like I said, I don't blame him because I mean, right after my surgery, I had those doubts myself. I mean, I had, you know, after you break your leg back through the year before you're like, you know this late one was was worse than the back and my I mean, my leg and my girlfriend didn't didn't even tell me this until recently. She said that the doctors after surgery weren't even sure if I was going to be able to play again or not. So I mean, but nobody nobody ever told me that. I'm glad, but you know, this is you always have those questions in those doubts. I mean, you're human, you know you, you wonder if it'll be possible, but then one day just make a decision. So right. We're gonna take one day at a time. We're gonna work as hard as we can see. See we can make a bit when we're those doubts most real for you your own mind. Right after surgery. I mean, right after my surgery when you're in the hospital bed, when you can't walk for two months, you know you're laying on the couch, you can't do anything. You can't. You can't really do any rehab. You can't really do anything to work towards your goal. And I think that's the that's the time that you're doubting the most when you're literally just resting laying on the couch with your thoughts. Because all you have to do is sit there and thinking you try and watch TV and take your mind off it. But here mind inevitably goes to what what now? And I'm very lucky. I have a great girlfriend k. a. who who just went through ACL surgery herself before my leg. And she picked me up help keep me motivated. She help keep me positive through it. All. I have great parents. I have brothers who both been through injuries would always keep me help me pick pick me up in my teammates and coaches. So I'm just lucky to have a lot of great people around to all those people who doubted you JJ you now. Or Todd, the league lead and Saxon. Seven. Yeah. No, it's pretty crazy. You know, I mean, I love being out there with the guys. I just love being back on the field doing what I love. It's it's so much fun. I mean, just just playing football. You know you take it for granted. When your health being you've been healthier whole career and you do it Dan and day out, but then it's taken away from you. And once you get it back, just it's, it's fun and you just enjoy it and you love the work. You love playing. It's great to be out there. You talk about having fun. Let me have a little more foam with you. You've won the defensive player of the year three times and the only other NFL player in history that's ever wanted three times is Lawrence Taylor. What do you know about Lawrence Taylor first and foremost. Incredible player, obviously, unbelievable player. I know obviously a lot of things going on hostage shield as well, but he's just legendary player. I mean, he's he's incredible. Rack Romeo Cornell here coach some bit. But I mean, obviously I've watched film on them. Everybody's seen film on him. He's he's one of the best ever see. I grew up watching Lawrence Taylor, Jay, and I watch his first game and I remember his first game. He comes around the offensive tackle Irv Pankey. I believe it was the Los Angeles Rams in he swatted Jim Everett with his right fist. And I said, I've never seen a defensive play like that in my entire life, and there were many like that throughout the course of his entire crew. And so you have won the defensive player of the your three times and he's one of three times. So if you can keep this up, this sack total production. This way you're playing right now. You could become the only player in NFL history to win the defensive player of the year four times. What would that mean to you? It'd be pretty incredible. I mean, it'd be it'd be pretty wild, obviously very long way to go to get to that point. But like I said, I mean the game, you know, when the game was taken away from, I just wanted to get back out and play. You know, I just wanted to get back on the field play with guys and hopefully played a high level. So to be back in those types of conversations and to be back in that realm of the game, it feels great and I love it and I'm still working to try and be better. But yeah, that would be pretty special. There is a long way to go in there and that's fine. But the fact that you are where you are is pretty interesting and pretty incredible in its own way. And if you were to get to that award winning four times, we'll have a little more fun here. You realize that would puncture ticket to can't Ohio, and you'd be there with Reggie White and all these great defense blurs Lawrence Taylor that you have seen new about heard about. That'd be pretty cool. You're talking to grow. That's my jargon really getting really cared away with yourself. Now, I don't mean to do that DJ. We'll go back to all the people have said that you were washed up and couldn't play more Bill to balance back from the injuries. How about that, but the seventy four and a half sacks in your first five seasons is the second most all time behind only Reggie White and you're from Wisconsin. How much did Reggie White inspire you growing up in watching him and learning about him. I love Reggie. I mean, I grew up loving Reggie White. Obviously everybody in the state of Wisconsin, bubbling white. I was huge, huge fan, just incredible player, incredible guy. And it seemed like now everytime I, you know, I accomplish something whether you know all these people come up to you at stats. And after the game Lasky about the stats, say, just broke this record. Is that record, but it always seems to be second behind. Only Reggie White categories. Seems like I'm always second behind Reggie White, and I'm like feeling I'm always chasing Reggie. But if there's anybody in the world, I'm gonna be second to for for defense statistics. I'll take Reggie White. Did you ever get the chance to meet him JJ. No, no, I never got to meet Reggie. Unfortunately, I do have a signed jersey on somebody gifted me, so that's my house and it's a coveted position my, but I never got to meet him. Any other sign jerseys you had that means something to you? Aside from Reggie's. The two pools. One of the half of my brothers are think that I mean, I have a bunch of grape jerseys. I mean, there's a couple of really Leo Messi gercy which I think is awesome. But my brother's the coolest just because of what the significance of all three of us being handed fell and and where we, you know, playing in the backyard, you know, pretending down punts on the one yard line and plan, you know, just yard football. And then now here we are in the NFL. Bring up your brothers and your brother TJ in Pittsburgh is one sack behind you. How much does that motivate you? Is there any sort of friendly competition between the two of you on a weekly basis? We, we definitely after the game are quick to our phones to see what the other guys in in. We'd be lying if we said we didn't want to read, but also we'd be lying. If we said we didn't want him to get as many sacks possibly get. I hope he gets thirty six and you know, I want him to go out there and have an unbelievable season every game. I hope he has three sex. You know when I get back to my phone, but I also would be lying if I didn't say it was nice to have the lead for the moment. But if you had one more second, but the end of the season, what would that mean in the watt household after the over. I'd be okay with that. Are you okay with that? And I'm sure that there will be some by the end of the season. I'm sure there'll be some sort of dinner but on the line or something, but not yet. No, not yet through early. It's really got just trying to get now on trying to win games the last two weekends. We've been three the brothers. So we all want last weekend and we all won this weekend. So we're gonna try and keep that streak going. That's pretty cool. How does that happen? Not that often. We, we obviously haven't been that healthy the last two years. So we haven't been able to keep racking teach. It has gone league last year, so, but this year I think I think the last two weeks, I'm not sure if it's the first time it happened this year, but two in a row. So hopefully you can make it three in a row on a by next week. So they're silver in London playing the titans, which would obviously help in our my division, and then where we're in Jacksonville, so big, we can see you gotta get Derek a call and let him know, hey, take it to Tennessee this week, right where you do that. Yeah. Yeah, a little favor there pal. Yeah. Why not? Right. Exactly. Nine years old right now. And you mentioned some of these surgeries that you've gone through the back surgery in two thousand sixteen the fractured tibia in two thousand seventeen. How much longer can you and do you want to do this for. I wanna do it as long as I've planning at the top of my game. You know, I wanna do as long as I play very good football. You know, I don't wanna. I don't wanna be out there and just trying to hold it together and try to scrape together something that's clearly not happening, but I also love the game. I love. Like I said, I love being out there with the guys locker room. I love it. Also, I'm gonna you know, a couple of years ago I had more thoughts about it than I do now. I don't think about it anywhere near as much now as they used to. I'm just enjoying every day and taking one step at a time. The last thing I want to ask you about JJ is obviously you're filling rob pick efforts in the Texas area. You've raised more than thirty seven million dollars for hurricane Harvey relief in Houston. And I think that is a mind blowing number. We could give you all the sack numbers and four time Pro Bowl player in four time first team all pro, but thirty seven million dollars for hurricane Harvey relief. When you started to raise money. Could you ever have imagined that you get to thirty seven million dollars in counting in relief funds. No. This is incredible people out there in the world. And that's the biggest thing I've learned throughout that process wrote my career is how many people that are in the world. You know, many people want to help other people and just may not have the same platform may not have the same opportunity that I have. So I've been very fortunate. I mean, this is my eighth year in the league and just being able to use that platform to try and help the community try and help people. Obviously, Harvey during the difficult situation trying to do what we could. It was by no means a one man effort. I mean, there were hundreds of thousands of people from all over the World Health out and for strangers people they didn't know. And so I think that it gave me a massive amount of hope for humanity gave me a massive amount of just excitement about what what this world can do when we all come together for one common cause and we all step up to the plate to help out our neighbor and it was really special and we're still, you know, we're still. Seeing that money at work. We're still seeing people getting put back in their houses and distribution of food and medicine and things like that. People are still struggling. I mean, it's a long process and so I'm just thankful for everybody that helped. And I'm grateful to be in a position and I'm ready for my parents helped, you know, raise me and teach me how to do that. Experience change the man that you are today? I mean, you know, life is so much bigger than football. I think that's, you know, that experience in the last couple of years with my injuries and everything really help teach me about life in perspective and understanding what's truly truly important. You know what I mean? I'm, you know, I'm in the parents, you know, may have read my social media comments, a lot cured a whole lot about what an anonymous person online that the biggest thing that I realized is as long as my parents, my friends, my girlfriend, my teammates are proud of me. I'm all right. You know, it doesn't really matter what anybody else thinks as long as those people that are close to me know who I am know what I'm about. Are proud of the work I'm doing. That's that's enough for me. And you just do you and you've done a great job being you on and off the field. You have put me in that crowd. I'm proud of you to jayjay. It's very impressive. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. I means a lot and I appreciate you joining us today. Thank you very much. Continued to. Assess. I wanna see somebody become the first four-time defensive player of the year winner. That'll be an unbelievable honour. And now I could say that I had that person on my podcast is it gets so good luck doing that. And good luck. The rest of the way the season JJ. Get to work. Thanks so much as you'd be. Well, we'll be back in a moment with Panthers linebacker, Thomas Davis, but now is the perfect time to tell you about hotel tonight, hotel tonight partners with awesome hotels to help him sell their unsold rooms, which means you get incredible deals. The cool thing is the only work with hotels they think you'll love and as sure profiles of each hotel with all the info you need to know and pictures of what the rooms really look like. And even though the names hotel tonight, you can actually book in advance so you can use it whether you like to plan or playthings by year. It's the one stop shop for booking vacations or staycationing. We can get away road trips, business trips and more so start getting really great deals at great hotels and go to hotel tonight dot com or download the app. Now, Thomas, how're you doing. How did it feel be back out there. I feel great, so great to be competing with my team. The game obviously entered the way we wanted it to, but definitely feel good to be back out there and be a part of everything. What did you like when you're away from football like that? Thomas. It's a very, very humbling discouraging feeling to think about. You know, I've been away from the game before dealing with injuries where I wasn't able to play, but never in a situation where I've been completely taken away from everything can't have any contact with anybody can't come to the stadium at all. Like there was a strangely tough. I look at that and for me outside looking in, you know, always seeing guys around the league that's been suspended for PD's like you kinda never really feel sorry for those guys when it happened to them. But now that you're in a situation that you see what is actually like to go through it. This is tough man, and I don't really wish that on anybody because you know, you never know where the guy's going through or what's going on in the guy's life. And you know, for him not to have the guy that we lean on so heavily your brothers team, major coaches that makes it the same. So now if you saw somebody who spend it, you'd have an entirely different attitude and you feel sorry for them. Oh, no question though, of course, because I think what people to realize when you see these expensive, it's not automatically every guy that has been suspended, it's out there trying to cheat and I think that's the misconception that people get. And they think in the here PD suspension, they think, oh gosh, they can still guys taking ACH and you know, majority of the guys that have done getting suspended now are taking things that in products that they have absolutely no clue that the that contains the the ban sisters. So I think now after going through that and being one of those guys that had a test that they didn't know anything within, then you know, I have a very, very different approach and a different look at guys going through that. Now, you obviously, as you mentioned, you're not allowed to be around your team and not allowed to be in the silly. What are. Do you do every day. Well, for me with working out spending time with my kids don't have four kids. My boys are playing football, so I was out they helping coach their football team and 'cause really trying to make sure that came back into this that I possibly could now, I don't know that I've ever heard this Thomas and my condolences extend to you. You lost your father. You buried him on Saturday and left for Washington the same day, and then go playing a game Sunday. So it actually well, the first week of the season that I was suspended. I got a call on Tuesday saying that my dad had had a heart attack and he was brought back, but he was without oxygen for a while. So we I, the Jacksonville to be with him that Wednesday. And I. You know, we back and forth to Jacksonville going on there and seeing him, and he never, he never really pulled through. He ended up passing away and we had the funeral set for Saturday. But hurricane, I think Michael came through my hometown and completely rig shop. And we without power for like five days. I think they just turned the power back on down today maybe. So we had to postpone the funeral so is actually been moved to this Saturday. Wow. So you're gonna bury father and then traveled to Philadelphia to go play the eagles. Correct. And what would that be like for you? It's gonna be tough going to be extremely tough. When you having to say your goodbyes to love one particular San, your goodbyes to parent is, I mean, if even for, so I don't respect the motions to be any different this weekend, and it would have been last weekend, but you know, there's a part of life and there's something that we all we're gonna have to eventually phase someday what it losing your dad mean to you? Thomas, you know it was. It was very tough, especially during the time that I actually lost him. You know, while I was going to suspend not being able to, you know, Lena my brother's like I said earlier, and you know, understanding that I'm a father now myself and knowing that you know there was a possibility or chance that that we could have had a much stronger relationship. And you know, Billy coulda had a chance to to do so many more. Great things. You learn so much more for my dad, but he was taking away at age of sixty seven. So now it's kinda, you kinda look at it like, you know, you kind of on your own and now you gotta raise your boys and you gotta teach them all the things that you've learned for your dad and just kind of go with the punches with everything else that you did not very knowledgeable us. What's the biggest thing you learned from your dad? You'll pass onto your boys. The value of hard work. You know, my dad was always a hard worker on he was or God that it definitely love people. He loved to help people out as much as he could. And I think that's kind of why got it from all about giving back and helping others out and kinda who he was and what he was he was able to do when he was here. People don't realize that sometimes right. They put on the television. They come to the games. They watch Thomas Davis, number fifty, eight CM out there, and they have no idea that you some of your teammates of your brothers are going through situations in life. There difficult to the, I guess everybody's got that every walk of life. It's hard though. Question of course, you know, we, we're, we're not superheroes. They, it says, NFL players laugh. We cry. We bleed the same way. Everybody else does. When you have situations that come about like this, I mean, it's extremely telephone as it is everybody else you do a lot of charitable work and I know you work with a lot of school age children. What did you tell the school age children when you're away on suspension about why you're away from the game? You know, I just I've just the opening honest with them. You don't have leadership academy. We have a session the night that we have a high school group that we continue to work with Israel, and it's always. The message to the kids as always this, you know, take ownership of the things that happened in your life. Do not allow them to define who you are as person and just keep pounding. Just keep going and things come your way always be faced with that. Firstly, Oscar is gonna come your way. Just keep pounding. Keep going, keep believing in yourself and and understand that the truth will always that you free, and that's the message that we contain delivered to our kids. So if ten those leadership committee meetings, that's what I would take out of them. If you came on lucid academies, and it depends on where they it is. But if you get particular night that I was interesting the kids and talking about suspension, and that's the best that you got. But you know, we have a different curriculum that we're talking to them about all the time about community service about leadership. You know, list is really goes on what we try to work with these middle school age kids on, because we understand that that's a find that kids are gonna make a decision in which way they want to go on life and wanted to catch them when they leave their elementary school before they become high schools so that you know they've had the proper training and the work that they need to win their faith with a tough decision. They understand which way to go in making those decisions and they understand how some of their friends bake some of those decision. It's all about being a leader. How do you know you're having an impact on them Thomas? I'm sure you are, but how do you know it? This is our, you know, ten year in doing this, and we seen so many kids come. Through or you can watch the growth of these kids from when they first come in acting, shy, acting heaven, behavior issue having trouble in school, and you can see the kids grow to become a really good students become a very respect spectacle, young men and women, and ultimately just gaining the confidence that they need to go on and be successful kids. That's that's how we gauge, you know, this assess of our program, and that's why we're still going because we've seen so many great kids come through. We've seen so many kids benefit from the work that we're doing. We ultimately know that the parents are able to do a better job of raising their kids because we are helping these kids become better children. And that's what it's all about for us. You know, what's not smart, the way hiring used to be jump sites that overwhelming tons of wrong resumes. Now there's a smarter way and ZipRecruiter dot com slash ASP ZipRecruiter's powerful match. Technology finds the right people for you and actively invites them to apply. It's no wonder the ZipRecruiter is rated number one by employers in the US. And right now, my listeners can try ZipRecruiter for free at ZipRecruiter dot com. Slash ASP. That's ZipRecruiter, dot com. Slash ASP comments during your fourteen season when you're done playing, whenever that is, will you continue with the leadership academy? There's something else you wanna do what's next for you to lose. Ketamine is definitely going to that that we're very passionate about. We've even talked about with my board members even possibly starting to charter school someday. It only just making the leadership academy are huge thing, even bigger than what it is right now. But you know, this guy's really limit for me. I feel like when I'm done playing because there are so many things that I wanna do, they help families and help chosen out. And right now continuing to play football. Just can't put enough time into it because there's so much work than these to be done. Panta fans are not gonna like when I say this, but it sounds like you've got a lot of ideas about the futures, how much longer you wanna keep doing this before you can divert your energies and attention to real meaningful issues like this? Well, for me, you know, like we talked about earlier coming off of this expensive. I definitely don't want to leave the game knowing that I didn't play four seasons doing that. It was because of a suspension that you know, I I didn't have any control over. It didn't know that that substance that I was using contain the ban stuff too. So I mean, I just after you go through your career and you do things and certain way that entire career you don't ever wanna walk away knowing that. Okay. Comes Davis was a pretty good player, but you know, he had his four game suspension and twenty eighteen. You know, I and that's how he went out. I don't want that to be the case for me, and I feel like I'm still able to play at a high level. I feel like I'm still able to contribute to this football team. And you know if the, if that changes by the end of the season, then I don't feel like I'm contributing or if I could play, then you know, maybe I'll make a different decision that the end of it. But right now I still wanted to be a part of it. I wanna come back and I just to help the team of you now. Now, I think people will know Thomas Davis, aside from the fact that you create this leadership academy all the philanthropic deeds you've done you. You've played in a Super Bowl, the broken arm. You're the only player to come back from a torn ACL on the same knee twice. You did all this three times. Excuse three times the same ACL. Two thousand ten or eleven. What are you take out of that? How do you do that? I just really look at it as a blessing from God. I mean, you don't. You don't see that happen in this league. You don't see guys given that opportunity, you know, and I was blessed and fortunate enough to be with the organization like the Carolina Panthers that believed in me that owner to see me succeed and in new the work that out footing in to try to come back and they gave me that opportunity. And ultimately, that's the real reason why here because they believed in me enough to to allow me to come back and try to play. So I don't take that for granted and I understand that I've been favored in show many ways, you know, by the grace of God to be able to have those offenders, and they'll only be ACO and going in NFC championship game and break my fall on and breaking in a place where I can have surgery next morning, still able to come back and play in the Super Bowl. So I mean, things have happened, bad things are gonna happen to you. On your life. Anything that I tell maybe sip academy kids, it's up to you how you allow those things to define who you are. I mean, if you allow it to impact you negatively, then that's pretty much outcome. You're gonna get. You're gonna get a negative outcome, but if you continue to believe in yourself and you know that you can do certain things, then you're gonna have positive things happen for you. You mentioned you're gonna look at players who are suspended in a different way going forward. Do you reach out to or advise players who've torn the yellow because it's so devastating to see guys do this one week to lose so much has anybody you have reached out to you personally privately and just say, hey, I've been through this three times on one knee and I wanna let you know what you have in the future if you if you can think of a player that that turn. ACL pretty strong possibility that I, I've either talked to him east out to him in some capacity, pray form or either. You know, not just NFL players, you know, young ladies that are playing soccer, like I have a ton of people that reach out to me from, you know, looking my name up and looking up my story. Don't understand that. I've gone through so much from ACO standpoint, and I'm still playing at a high level of of people that reach out to me and through themes, and I'm usually reaching up or getting back with them. The most recent person that I, I've contacted with Jake, but you know, I know he's a guy that's going through it down in Denver. He went through it in Michigan. I was actually following the kid when when that happened to him in Michigan and now it's happened to him again, failed. And I just believe that he's going to be fine. I feel like he's gonna come back and he's going to have an amazing career and it looks like the. The sticking with them and and I would like to hope that the Broncos have looked at my situation here in Carolina and kind of said that, hey, you know, take his young. We're gonna speak by on man. We're going to give him up doing so you are the ACL consoler. I, if I'm here for them, I've been through it. So I mean this as to the greatest Hiller is spending. So I think that you know, I have a Duff experience dealing away c. l. so if anybody that needs any kind of help or wants to know any information, things that you need to know concern dealing with ACL, feel free to reach out to, wow, I reach out to you for guidance on how to report on them in the future. Thomas. That works too. Before let you go and I wanna thank you for your time and your generosity and your thoughtfulness, and it's been tremendous. I gotta ask you, what's the most unusual out that you've seen Cam Newton wear. Oh, man. What do we begin with that? Probably probably the the one that he wore to Super Bowl. That was probably the most unusual one, and we gave him a lot of grief about that one. He's got him in. I mean, he's got some wild taste in clothes every Monday during NFL live. We have Ryan Clark do a fashion segment and Cam Newton is featured every single week forever. He's wearing and it's always something that I could never imagine. I'm not that cool. I'm not. Listen, that's Cam, though. That's the is, and this is what he wants. You guys talking about it. He's doing his job. Well, we had a chance to talk about you take Thomas. I really appreciate it. Good luck this week. Have a great trip to Philadelphia good looking through the entire weekend, the emotional experience it will be for you, and I really appreciate taking some time to join me today. Not percent. I'm thinking we'll be back in a moment with ESPN NFL researcher, Evan Kaplan, but I, I wanna tell you about vivid seats. You know me best for breaking news around the league. Speaking of I recently received a tip. Vivid seats is offering ESPN fans, ten percent off football tickets, but you have to act fast head to vivid seats dot com and enter promo code ESPN checkout to receive ten percent off your first order. Vivid seats is the official ticket partner of ESPN and with their one hundred percent buyer guarantee. There's no reason to Missy game this year. Don't wait. This offer ends soon. So head to vivid seats dot com. Get off the couch and get into the action. Your team needs. You cap hit. Art having you just heard from Panthers linebacker. Thomas Davis. They've a huge game this weekend against the Philadelphia Eagles. There are a lot of great matchups in week seven. What stands out about this weekend to you? There are adamant and the lies told us that eight of the fourteen games in week seven will be played between teams that are five hundred or better that's tied for the most NFL history. This late into the season. Wow. You got eight of the fourteen more than half of the games in week, seven between teams with a five hundred record a better and the I'm really focusing on five of those eight because those are the game five of those games between teams in the same conference mentioned, Thomas Davis, Panthers eagles one of them, titans chargers. Texans Jaguars Cowboys, Redskins Bengals chiefs. These are the games that two months from now we're gonna be talking about who won this game as tiebreaking scenarios. Well, so as you start to project and we're now in the middle of the season years, we started project towards the playoffs. These are games that when you're talking about wild card for the divisional. You're talking about the visual races who the team that wins game. They're going to have a big leg up as as we get towards the high unusual how that happens. There are some weeks in the NFL where some of the matchup lack some sizzle, right? And then you get a weekend like this one in week seven, where there is a ton of sizzle. There's a ton of storylines a ton of games to talk about, and that doesn't even those five that I mentioned that doesn't even include some of the AFC NFC matchups bears patriots, saints ravens that that are really good games. You bring up the saints ravens. So we get a top offense versus a top defense and the saints offense has been tremendous and the ravens defense has been commended, what do you make of this match? It really has and all the talk about how great the chiefs and the Rams offense they have, they, I'm not downplaying that at all, but the saints lead the NFL in scoring offense right now. And this will be the eighth time in the last fifteen seasons. We've got top scoring offense against top scoring defense week, five or later we actually saw it. Just a few weeks ago at the Jaguars and the chiefs. Now the offense has won six of the previous seven games. So as you're looking ahead to Saint ravens, the offense, at least historically in these examples has had the advantage. Obviously, we saw the chiefs beat the Jaguars through two fourteen that defense ad was number one score divas at the time. Obviously, we've seen since then, Jacksonville defense certainly struggling over the last few games, but the ravens with their performance against the titans of week. Six now have a whole different animal deal with drew Brees and it's going to be an historic day for drew. 'cause I could agree that he's gonna throw that one past one touchdown for five hundred. It could be historic in another way. Interesting. Note that that I've been talking about with some of the the crew on Sunday countdown. The ravens are the only one of the thirty two current NFL franchises that drew Brees has never beaten in his career so he could beat the rabies and throw five touchdown pass all in the my favorite game in week seven. I think it's ravens couldn't agree more. You know, it's funny. Every Sunday in the war room, Seth Markman. Who is the NFL coordinating producer or now vice president, right? Yes, absolute. We look at the games the matchups 'cause he assigns the reporter. He always sends it over to me. What do you think of these games? And when he showed me the schedule for this week, the first game that I looked at was the ravens Sanchez said that to me is the best game of the week. And even though I know we're gonna have reporters at Cowboys and Redskins and Bengals chiefs in answers eagles and all these other matchups the Rams or the last unbeaten team at six? No. What does this mean historically? So for the Rams it's been pretty good the this is the the previous two times they were the final unbeaten team in the NFL. They went on to reach the Super Bowl, two thousand one. They ended up losing to the patriots in the nineteen ninety nine season. They beat the titans, but and I think you were on this note a few weeks ago. The recent history of the final unbeaten t down the NFL is not great. No, the two thousand six colts the last time. The final. Unbeaten team in a season went on to win the Super Bowl and that that's about twelve seasons ago now at this point. So it's while it's a great start for the Rams. Historically, it is not meant an automatic Super Bowl. Nobody been very impressive so far they've been about as impressive as any team. Most impressive part to me is that is the last two weeks when they haven't been as dominant, I think is the word as they were in the first four, but they find a way to win. And that's what great teams do their resilient. They've really are a, let's go from one great team and one great situation to another Tom Brady on beatable. We saw what he did to Patrick Mahomes on Sunday night. Quarterbacks who are under the age of twenty five in the regular season are now owing twenty four and Foxborough against Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. Now, Tom Brady gets Mitchell Trubisky. What do we make of this matchup another variation on the age discrepancy. So fifteen years older, Tom Brady when he's at least fifteen years older than the opposing starting quarterback. Seven and own his career wins over guys like Mahomes, Jared, Goff Shawn, Watson, Marcus, mariota. We have another situation with this week trubisky's twenty four years old Brady forty one. So the the history of these young quarterbacks against Brady specifically is not been great. And the other thing that I'm looking at in this game, Matt Nagy his first game as the chiefs offense coordinator last season was against the patriots week. One forty two points. We saw what Andy Reid. Obviously the same school did to the patriots in week six on Sunday night. Forty points. Maybe another shootout there. I think they'll be some points Gordon Chicago. That should be an interesting game on Sunday between the bears and the patriots and the team for mentioned team. The talked about the chiefs, they now head back home for what turns out to be big game. Very interesting, two weeks and road. The chiefs are now on in primetime so everybody can see Patrick Mahomes in judge himself about how good he is or isn't. So what does it mean. Patrick Mahomes is now headed back home. So while we've all seen Patrick Mahomes at the the home fans in Kansas City haven't seen Patrick Mahomes a ton. This will only be their third home game this season. He leads the league with eighteen touchdown passes, but fifteen of those have come on the road. That's strangely enough already. The third most road touchdown passes in a single season chiefs history, but now chief still despite the loss against the patriots five and one, they head home three of their next four games will be at home, and then we're already starting to look ahead week, eleven chiefs Rams Mexico City. So the chiefs will be at home for for an extended stretch here for three of their next four of the next month before that huge matchup. So the the, the home, Kansas City fans will get to see plenty of Patrick Mahomes play, but they will not get to see him on November nineteenth, Monday, November nineteenth, Mexico City get treated the game of the season preps, right? The Rams and the chiefs Monday night football set your DVR your schedule. All your TV viewing schedule now, because that's going to be a great one. It really is. I mean, when you when you have a game like that and we'll see if the Rams are still undefeated at that point, but the the, the story lines, the offense is the young quarterbacks. He doesn't get much better than that, Evan. Thanks for your week, seven preview. We will see you again four week eighteen as a lot at them. So there's ESPN NFL researcher, Evan Kaplan special. Thanks to him and special. 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Keep Sounding: Greg Olsen Retirement Special

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Keep Sounding: Greg Olsen Retirement Special

"Talk key blow. Welcome to the keep sounding podcasts. This is. Brian joined by brad and john. As always brad are you doing. I am doing well drinking some icelandic water getting myself hydrated nice. It's always a good thing keeping yourself hydrated and want you pass out mid podcasts. That's always good right and this is not an ad read. Icelandic is the best water in case anybody was ever wondering is or both. I'm sorry. what is it from. Iceland brandis icelandic. No it's icelandic. Glacial spring water from iceland with a ph of eight point four always wondered. What is okay i have. I have no further questions. Water is wet. John wars it says it. It's icelandic spring water and it tastes different than other brands. So i'm just gonna take their word for it gonna say. Have you been able to verify. That actually does come from my slander springs. Because i feel like they'll rattle water venture. They've never lie about john. How are you. What kind of water are you drinking. I'm not currently drinking water. I will later re drinking water. Either out of fountain from my sink faucet well so at continuation on our episode. On thomas davis. There's a second person who's retiring on. Thursday that would be greg olsen. Great tight end for the panthers might hurt them. Kind of looks like thor. You got my tie in. I'll ride or looks like golson. Also that that could be true. So yeah greg olsen. He wasn't really much of a panthers. Lifer as thomas davis but he definitely deserves to be treated as one because his career in chicago was like a really been. Yeah well it's not really it was a bust. He just wasn't used properly. I forget who their offense coordinator was but it was. He was just one of those people where he just doesn't use tight end so like mike. Mars was part. Like arts sets it. Yeah they spent a first round pick on olsen and then they just didn't use him the way you should so they came to carolina for a third round. Pick which was a steel. I must say olson from chicago. There is no two ways about it. Yes absolutely stolen and i think that the guy. They drafted with that third round pick actually ended up panthers at one point. No i don't think so. I have to re look it up But keep talking. I'll tell you who it was because the bears actually traded that. Pick no way amy in a package to get brandon marshall the wide receiver and then miami traded it to the chargers and they selected brandon taylor a safety from lsu and brandon. Taylor played two years in the nfl with the chargers. Okay it must've been adjust me than there was. There was a linebacker that played for them. That at one point people thought was actually decent that ended up on the panthers around the same time. So maybe that's it Anyway so yeah. They fleece the bears then. Greg olsen came in originally played as kind of second fiddle to jeremy shockey Still put up great stats. Nece for. That is still the best tight into do. We have ever had. Oh yeah greg. Olsen jeremy shockey say. It's probably what a better tied duos of all time if you consider just the pairing of the to like spit like take the stats out of contexts. I mean there aren't many tight end if you do the career of the two of them yes. Schalke was on the end of his career but he still played really well for us By the way and interrupt. Because i'm sure somebody's yelling at their whatever they listening to lovey. Spends the coach of the bears. When greg olsen was there mike martz was offense of cleaner his last year there. In ron turner was before the first three years anyway correction. I thought i thought. Brian said offensive. Coordinator yeah yeah. It is misremembered. I had a car to myself. I don't think that's fine. All we know. Is that somebody who didn't like to use tight ends anyway. So greg olson then went on to be the first tight end. Nfl history to have three straight thousand yard seasons which nowadays is not that weird. Because obviously we got guys like travis kelsey we got. George kittle out there. Among we got darren waller. We got many others. Who are like did it. After greg olsen too didn't he yes he did it like this season hasn't it. Yeah i think also was fourteen fifteen sixteen. I think has been ever since like fifteen or sixteen. Yeah yeah olson was kind of impressive because he was like the panthers defacto number one receiver aside from when he played with steve smith like he he just was the number one receiver. Which is not. Cobb wasn't common at that time where i think he kinda helped shape. The way tight ends are now used in the nfl granted also just has to do with the fact that the teams throw the ball. How fucking more. But at the time. That was a major major accomplishment. And he was always cam newton's go-to guy Definitely improved his game as a blocker and the only thing. The only that i have on him is that he always fell down like as soon as he caught the ball. Out of knock. That is yeah. Allston sin greg olson as good as a great great hall of fame player also one of the least like physical titans of all time with the ball if not the least physical tight end with the ball. He's either the fastest slow tight end or the slowest fast tight end. And i honestly don't know which one he years i mean. He gets when he was younger. I nobody is cruising. Yeah yeah when he when he the summit some green grass in front of but no once once a player got into the senator he was. Jerry basically played two hand touch but he just like with the acknowledgement that he had to fall down after being touched. So yeah i mean it definitely probably extended his career for sure. Did 'cause guys like rob gronkowski who just try to power through everything he didn't last. He was beaten up more than greg. Olsen ever was Greg games until he never missed games until the last couple years. He was here when he broke his foot. Like that. was it like he stayed healthy and breaking. Your foot isn't exactly something you can just you can prevent with play style. Pele's tops knowledge them. There's there's nothing that you can really do to prevent a foot brake like. That's just one of those shit happens. Type things right. But he was also the master of the beautiful catches. He had several really nice. One handed catches He pretty much single handedly saved panther's game by catching a ball that was severely underthrown on fourth down against the saints and just managed to catch it that happened to be like the catalyst of the game winning drive greg olsen just was like to me he was he was the passing offense to me. Like ted ginn. Obviously in the heyday of when the panthers were really successful. Like ted ginn was the type of guy where he would go off and catch a long touchdown but olson was always the security blanket. Just it really big guy go ahead. It was always just like i mean to of like further that it was like the passing game like the foundation of it was cam newton and greg olsen and then everything else around. It was kind of interchangeable around that foundation. Yeah and they sure. Like to interchange those interchangeable parts with with with very light. It's like buying a brand new ferrari but then putting like toyota tercel wheels on it or whatever. But yeah like we had cam and we had greg and then we had ted ginn philly. Brown lega dune aa Who else did we have at wire. Koch koch are- to say it's your to like yeah like the hall of who is that guy at wide receiver outside of greg. And he still produced actually amazing thing he was the one credible threat and he still produced. Yeah he's just one of those players were like there's certain there's certain receivers out there who greatly extend their careers because they just know how to work out because like towards the end of his career. He definitely wasn't the fastest guy but he was able to find the zones like he knew he knew how to use his leverage. He knew how to get fine. The little holes in the zones like he just did that masterfully and it was something where like you came to expect. You came to expected enough. Where i don't think we really appreciate it at the time. The kind of shit that he would pull off sometimes. Yeah he was the master of its other nine. I'm going to get exactly nine yards like he perfected that but it was nice about. Greg is that even like at the end when he's started slowing down the fact that he's a reliable like what the hands and everything he didn't need a lot of space and he had at that point hit by that point at cam stressed. Or it's just like hey i'm not gonna ever be open because i just can't get away from people anymore like i used to but it doesn't matter as long as they can get my hands on hold onto it and he he. He had his fair share of circus catches to i mean the one that pops out in my mind was that catch against the. I think it was seattle in the playoffs. But he called the wall between two guys with one hand on the ball with the other guy had his hand on the ball. To somehow greg came. He had to wrap his arms around the other guys arm to catch the ball and he somehow came down with it. It's like he had one at yeah. I don't think the playoffs against seattle seattle's wearing a gray uniform overlake. Honora thomas head. One end favorite one was the one called in the end zone against seattle. That clinched the game. Oh yeah i was. I was going to bring that up. And if we're gonna do like the favorite memory spoiled and so we're doing that now. We're doing this show differently than we do So that was cited. Actually get to see that live. So that's cool. I was a. I was playing like a flag football tournament. Things and No hey you know jazz. John i was i was i was out of college. But it was at my college Football tournament thing and everybody that we were playing with the most that was in two thousand fifteen right. I was kind. We'll get the ball rolling. Yeah fifteen and that kind of was the first The first game that kind of like really solidify. The panthers were actually good manager. Actually good was lena. Boom days very tough to beat the seahawks. And i remember like we're watching the play by play as we're getting ready for our game and we're like ever just like really really into watching this play about like the game casts on espn. Because i was what we had to watch. And whoever's phone. I like cabinet. And twenty six yards and touchdown and yelled at era like excited and then most of the f- actual place where like the term was being held. It was kind of weird because you could hear people talking about it maguelonne. I didn't think people care about the panthers. Those like they actually got people kind of chattering like chatting about it now. Those really cool. It was a big win because they it wasn't even just that they beat seattle. They beat seattle in seattle. Something they hadn't done since like the the revitalization of seattle with russell wilson and the legion of boom fucks. Yeah that was. That was back when seattle thought we were their little brother that they could just always be And then when that lay happened the fortunes reversed as great. I absolutely love him. He was meeting seattle in seattle. Yeah that was back in the. That was our ahead now. Does it because that was like coming into that season. And the seahawks ended up not being as great that year but the the on eleven and five thirteen and three and twelve and four and should the last three years and they had been to the super bowl the last two years before like a one loss. The super bowl needs to that pete previous two years for me. That was the game from. Yeah for me. That was the game where my parents started watching panthers games because two thirteen happened but that was kind of fluky year and prior to that you know twenty eleven two thousand twelve like they were fun to watch but not that great twenty fourteen or two thousand. Fourteen fucking sucked. That was the best year in franchise history over here. No argument to the contrary well but for non panthers fans i should say they wouldn't really like like if i wanted to watch the game. I had to go downstairs in the basement and watched or whatever That's why you had go down in the basement. Yes not because my parents hated being roundly like most people So they they were actually watching that game with me and they will. They were like excited. It was awesome like when that happened. I was like fucking freaking out. I was able to i was writing the recap that year. Like i was fucking excited. It was just it. Just kicked started one of the best years of franchise history and was really one of the best years of greg olsen career. I mean like he was just unstoppable. Nobody cover them at eleven hundred yards. seventy seven catches which was not as career seventy seven catches eleven hundred four yards and seven touchdowns also for high yup hate remembering that year. Because it's it was six years ago and yeah yeah fifteen year also destino cautionary tale of like. You're you're never like there's no such thing as windows in the nfl but their window at shit on it. So yeah i agree we a phrase that but yeah. I never heard of anybody shitting on a windows. Yeah heard it here. I i want to cast so. I looked this up because this is an honor of greg olsen. Thomas davis day. Well i i forgot to say the beginning. Do we think. Greg olsen agreed with the panthers to do the one day contracting thomas davis before or after he just tweeted. See you there. I don't know i kinda hope. He did that and then they were like well. This'll be awkward. If you're not here so do you wanna come. I hope he just like he was the one that was like. Hey guys. I'm going to do this to the panthers like oh okay. We'll go ahead and get that order. Yeah like reaching out to him because that would be that way that not not to Shit on your parade. But i think that most likely. Yeah just shitting on everything. But brian i think that most likely olsen davis kinda coordinated that together because because those those don't wear matching outfits to that would be fucking awesome. Actually so fucking funny if they did. Yeah or something that would be great Yeah those kind of those kind of players and they played together for that long like they just they just end up. Being friends like they continued. Text stuff like that. Like i've seen olsen going back and forth with a lot of the former panthers on twitter so i'd imagine he keeps contact with most of the guys that were there for the majority of that window quote unquote. Yeah i think it's funny to imagine like greg olsen being. Hey guys. I'm coming to in the panther like inviting himself to the party in the panthers having to like acquiesced to that. Yeah you can't say can't say no to greg olsen. Yeah well actually day off and then. Yeah thomas davis is like now. He's like a child reasonable powder because he's to share his birthday with his brother aicraft party. But anyway. so. Because it's tom davis greg olsen and i look it up. Greg olsen has played two games against the carolina panthers one of which was in two thousand ten. And we'll get to that one. So thomas davis not one greg olsen's stats against the panthers over a hundred yards. Total over are under one hundred yards total under. I'm going to go with the under as well. Because i remember the bears game and that was a shit show. Yeah that was over like nobody scored. Wasn't it okay over under okay. How about this on over or under five catches over with under under five targets into the two games combined. I'd miss utilizing weapon. Greg olsen total in his career against the panthers has two catches on four targets for seven years. Wow throw to him five times. Wow i don't remember this. I have to verify this lady. Apparently he had two catches for seven yards against the panthers in two thousand eight. he had offer fumbles. So the that was the start of the greg olsen. Not trying to break tackles anymore. Yeah his first career fumble. Fun fact who force greg olsen first career. Fumble thomas davis. That's thomas davis forced. Greg olsen first career fumble. Did he play three games to be played games to he. Did it in two thousand eight. Oh okay well let's alley. Yeah a little foot by everything comes full circle but yeah is we need to revisit this whenever we possibly can the gamer. Greg olsen had zero catches on two targets game. Where tod collins went six for sixteen for thirty two yards and foreigners options in won the game. I honestly believe seventeen points. I honestly believe it. I don't have any problem with someone. Rooming wrong that has to be the worst game in panthers. History gets by filed by in football history. Yeah in panthers. Snow just football football history. Probably to like it's up there. It's up there like that. It's almost hard to believe that it happened. I remember watching it live. And i'm like it is no way this score. This this is real i. I was Football game in the year. Two thousand ten with good weather. I think it was. It was in october and it was in charlotte. And i know it wasn't raining so yeah here's actually very here. Eighty one degrees in two thousand ten. No wind no rain and two teams combined to throw for one hundred and forty seven yards zero touchdowns and seven interceptions. I forget game before. That had broken me but i like literally didn't watch that game so when i looked at the i was like i drove down to new jersey. I that was right around the time where i had just moved to lancaster. I didn't have any friends here. So i drove down to new jersey to play flag football. Oh now now are we saving you now for playing off. that's fine. I had a really good game though i had. I scored like six times but So so 'cause i was still in football shape. I was like fresh out of high school. Senior football shape so i was playing with a bunch of like twenty three to twenty five year old guys and i was just like i just. I was doing spark conditioning for the last year so yeah but anyway Not the toot my own horn too much So eleven years ago man. yeah years So yeah i remember pulling up the game and just laughing my fucking ass off at it. 'cause i was like i can't believe that i'm reading this right now. Like it was just bad so so bad. It's it's not. It's one of those things where it's like. I remember this happened to us like a college basketball game where i saw it in this like last year two years ago. I think it was like. Nc state virginia tech. Brian was talking about where they scored like ten points. In like i ask each in this the the the apple has to be buggy right like. There's no way these are the actual numbers that were that were put forth in this game. I feel like that. Panther's game was Along those lines okay. I did some research on the fumble. It was week two of two thousand eight in the first quarter. Kyle orton threw a pass to greg olsen for a two yard loss. Thomas davis forced a fumble and jon beason recovered. It has a throwback. Yeah there's a lot of names on that list that was that was back when Steve smith was suspended. Still punching can look into. The face can lose face to remember that stretch because i had no. I had no expectations for them to win and they won both games. I believe they won the chart. They wanna get another year. Yeah that was. That was that was brandon. Lloyd before brandon was actually a good receiver. He was just some special teams. Fuck and i can verify. That was greg olson's i fumble. Because in two thousand seven his rookie year he had no fumbles and he only had two in two thousand eight and both were against the panthers in week two. Yes i like. That was together one. Why remember him saying at one point that he was like i started like. I fumbled twice as a rookie. He wasn't technically for sure. You've played and getting the dog house news like never again. Will i fumble solid follower. He did not keep that promise. Well he fumbled again but at seven career mls. Yeah considering. he played as long as he did. That's not too bad. Yeah especially since two of them came in the same game did not have a fumble after the two thousand fifteen season should happen. I also can't blame him for fumbling chris harris at him because chris harris used to run people over like a truck so i missed that man he was one of my favorite safeties also used to comment on. Csr yes he did really. I didn't know that very seriously. He did it very briefly. Because as. I'm sure this will shock you brian But he he dipped on us because people started getting too weird. Wow that's incredible no way. Yeah my god crazy. He oh he was. He was only there for a couple of months. At the most greg hardy with greg. Hardy sucks now. But he doesn't count. Hardy was announced. He would do everything in like thirty seven point bold font answer party yeah we were not we renounced back hard this is greg olsen show. We were talking about a olsen. We're talking about good greg. Sorry not bad. 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I said thomas davis is the only panther to ever win walter payton man of the year and as much as i said i would have more on that later. Will this is the part where i have more on that. It's absolute bullshit. That greg olsen did not win multiple man of the year There are three finalists. Greg olsen larry fitzgerald and eli manning and eli manning and larry fitzgerald co won the award at what point the. Nfl didn't just say you know what screw it. Let's give all three of them the award. I don't know why they didn't reach that conclusion. But greg olsen built a wing to a hospital for kids with heart birth defects. How is that. Not worthy of the walter. Payton man of the year award. I don't understand it. it's also kind of insulting to be like here are three finalists in. It's like a one. Yeah goes to both of the other. Do not to take away. From larry fitzgerald and eli manning and what they do but you know come on and the next year. He was nominated again and he lost. Jj watt which. I won't raise life. Forty million dollars for hurricane. Harvey says unfair relief. That's not yeah. That's unfair but he should have won it that year that he lie in larry fits shared it like that was greg's year but his charity is the hardest yard and if you want to donate you can go there and do that He he still does things for the charlotte community. it's like he never left and You know he. He does great work with with Kids who have heart defects. I can't remember the exact heart defect but it's a very specific thing subaru. I'm trying to find the name of it but yet it's h. l. s. h. l. h. s. hypoplastic left heart syndrome. That's just awful man. It's like it's it's one of those things where it's like you can like you can see why he he did it. 'cause you know like not a lot of people would have the financial means to take care of that for their for their child especially a younger child because like that's very specialized care I mean i'm not a doctor. So i don't know for sure but i'm pretty sure it's very specialized care so i can't imagine it's fucking cheap. You know like so for a lot of a lot of people like they have those issues. Come up very early at birth and you know most people who have a kid a younger kid. These days around. Greg olson's age. They're not rolling in the money. You now like so. That kind of charity is very very helpful for those for those people especially in impoverished communities where you know they need the help so like greg olsen doing something like that to really like kind of help his story and his success really help others just is just great. Like i'm really happy that i mean i. I'm not happy that could had that happen. But i'm happy that he was able to take such a negative and turn into a positive. Yes in december of twenty twenty. They announced the atrium. health levine. Children hospital hardest yard congenital heart center so they built a children's congenital heart hospital in charlotte. It's fucking fantastic. Like i mean that you know we talk about. Nfl players using their their prestige in their money and their time and their their name and everything that like you said they took the ultimate give and turn it into a positive like as a as a dad of two kids. I can't imagine what it is like. Knowing that your child is born with a heart problem that may or may not allow it to survive. I and you know i. It's amazing that they were able to do what they've done to to benefit kids like you said who's who have to go through that i mean there are a lot of people who just they don't have greg olsen money and so it's it's thank god for people like greg and carols and we should probably give his wife some credit here too because she is a big part of this as well. So i mean it's it's crazy that We've had so many players in our franchise and we're celebrating to on the same day that both have given so much to the community. It's amazing that we've we've been a franchise that has had these kind of players represented death. I mean they they really embrace they really embrace charlotte when they get. There are a lot of these guys. it's a nice thing to see. I mean you know you could always end up with shitty players who do shitty things and unfortunately carolina has had at least one of those that. There's two that i can think of bad bad greg. A certain other someone and You know carolina really did a good job of assembling a really high class group of people in the in greg olson time as a panther. So you know it's just nice. And i'm happy that greg olsen getting the recognition. He deserves because both he. And thomas davis for definitely underrated during their nfl career. And obviously they were two of the best in the league at their positions and question olson in the broadcast booth to. Oh yes which is another great thing. He's he is going to kill at that job. He is going to be one of the top. Tier colored is on on nfl broadcast. I think he's going to work for fox if i remember. He's gonna fat. Tony romo money. Yeah last question to wrap it up is greg olsen and hall of famer. Yes i think he should be Only because to me to be a hall of famer you either have to be foreign away. The best at your position for an extended period of time like a. Tom brady are peyton manning. You know guys like that or you have to be the first player ever to do something that's worthy of like being recognized and i think being the first ever tied into have three straight one thousand yard seasons. I think that's what gets him in now. I don't think you'll get in. Like i think he's going to be one of those weights eight years or so before it gets but i do think he's a hall of famer. He's also in the top ten in receiving yards for a tight end in his career. And i think that alone should get them in. I think he's i top three by top three change. I think that'll change with. George kittle and travis kelsey. Yeah but when he retired he retired in the top five of a major statistical category and he was on a team that was successful. They went to the super bowl like they didn't win but they did go to the super bowl. They won the division three straight years. I think i think it's enough to get him in. I don't he's not a first ballot guy. And it's going to be hard. Because i mean his contemporaries are travis kelsey rob gronkowski. 'cause gronk is getting in first ballot. But i mean i think greg olsen is up there he is. He was at his peak. He was one of the best at his position. And i think that's good enough. Yeah is fifth is from. I mean not. Counting the names that i don't recognize. I just pulled up all time receiving leader. I don't know who like tony. Martin is or like mark duper guys but grails from as far as i can tell fifth all-time inside in receiving yards. He has a commanding one hundred. Ninety nine yard lead on up in cousy so which may seven as i think gronk might retire because again again because they won the super bowl so gross in graham if they both play will pass him but as of right now he's fifth. Bronx probably won't retire. I think he's gonna end up going to a place like miami but we'll see but yeah i think for me. It's just a matter of that. Greg olsen was one of the centerpieces that kinda revolutionize the tight end position. Like obviously you know. There were people before his time like antonio gates and tony gonzalez But i think the way that greg olsen played the position where he was kind of like a hybrid wide receiver slash tight end end like upped his game as far as being a tighter because he got to be a much better blocker throughout towards the end of his career. I think that that's enough to get him in the hall of fame. You can make the argument that he had that he kinda changed the game a little bit. Is tony gonzalez in the hall of fame. Yet i think so if he's eligible he's like he's not gonna wait. I if tony gonzalez is in the hall of fame. Greg olson will get end. Because that's a very good cop. Right so i mean. I adopted Tony hall of so all time receiving yards. He's got quite a bit more of a resume like not just like all time. Okay yeah. But i mean i think if tony gonzales in the hall of fame i think greg olson will get in the hall of fame. I think it'll be one of those. He's he waited awhile to get in type things like ten years from now. We'll be like oh greg olson's finally get get in. But i do think he'll he'll get recognized we'll make do episode to recap ten years. Yeah yeah exactly. Any other ideas thoughts john. I think i think we've a at the on. Greg olsen agree brad. Now lovey g wriggle. Yup definitely well thank you for joining us for the Of god Special editions of the keep sounding podcast. We are really looking forward to seeing. Thomas davis and greg olson hanging their cleats as carolina. Panthers really happy with the both of them. Greg olsen definitely deserves it. Thomas davis definitely deserves it. It'll be a fun time. Hopefully they end up watching wearing matching outfits or something like that as we said so. Stay tuned stay healthy. Keep an eye on our or are seat. Nut content on thursday. Because we'll have plenty. Posted about. Thomas davis and greg olsen at that. So thanks a lot for your time. Stay safe stay healthy and we'll talk to you soon. Thomas davis one yet. Just keep listening. Eventually it'll start after this episode ends because it's next one in q. V. c. also that later.

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The Lightning Round Podcast #189: Chargers Lose Derwin James, Add Dontrelle Inman

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The Lightning Round Podcast #189: Chargers Lose Derwin James, Add Dontrelle Inman

"In this is the lightning round podcast with your host garrett says the n. jamie oil charges. Go welcome back to the lightning round podcast. I am at garrison. Jamie is at lightning underscore round. We're covering storylines from the chargers lost the saints in game two of the preseason but first we're gonna roll through these donations and then we'll talk about all the news including dontrelle inman german james injury the and then we'll cover that game so first off a special thank you to antonio stevens another big. Thank you to michael flora's who says great job guys on the podcast podcast. Hopefully this helps the beer fund wish i could do more next up is william boylston. He says beers on me. Get well soon. Derwin couldn't be more true absolutely early and finally preston walker who says here's to another nail biting season and he actually asked the question he says question for you guys after preseason game into what are you more worried about and less worried about than before. The preseason started okay. We'll go back and forth on this so we can start with more worried about and i'm not even sure this. This is possible but i'm more worried about the offensive line than i even thought was even remotely possible. It was just a shit show in game two. It wasn't good in game one and i know they're talking a lot of these guys and they're excited about the five they have but we talked about in the off season. There are russell kun injury away from a disaster astor and we're kind of seeing it now in the preseason so i'm more worried about this offensive line than any group really yeah. The offensive line has to be concerning. We're going to get into it more indepth <hes> when we get indoors storylines here in a few minutes but <hes> i mean the tackles are terrible. I am i'll expand on this a little bit later in my opinion. I think what we're starting to see is. I think they're starting to become targets. <hes> i think officials are expecting to see offensive linemen run right by offensive lineman defensive lineman right by these guys and create pressure and when they actually get their hands on somebody and actually make a good block getting called for holding because nobody expects actually do their job so i think that's a little concerning <hes> and there's you know they're having issues with pass protection picking up blitzes <hes> they're missing blocks running running game on third and fourth in short <hes>. There's all kinds of issues. It just seemed like guys don't know their assignments are uncomfortable with their assignments or can't carry their assignments out and and it's it's scary right now and i'll add the special teams hasn't been all that great either during the preseason <hes> kind of a group. That was a little bit exciting last year. I got some good returns earns from desert king but i know they got the t._d. In new orleans or against new orleans but this special teams man with all these penalties. It's like you expect them to get one each time. The balls pundit or kicked off and it's just been sloppy through two games so they've been horrendous so maybe close second special teams yeah you know i i think i think a lot of that also has to do with you know. They're obviously cycling a lot of rookies. The undrafted free agents through the special teams right now even with the first team. They're giving guys a chance to see if they can stick and expect some of that sloppiness but it's been so sloppy. That's pretty alarming so hopefully they can straighten that out so talk to me about your less worried about. What's one thing that you were less worried about going into the season. <hes> i would say one position that i am less worried about just based on where they are. In terms of the competition petition is i wasn't sure what to expect from race on jenkins going into the going into the preseason knowing he was going to be in the lead for snaps at least when camp started and really not having anybody to push him <hes> you know i was at the game on sunday and you know it seemed like he was covering a lot of ground made a couple of nights tackles. <hes> i got his hands ends on a couple of passes. He seems like he's moving a lot better and covering a lot more ground and making much faster reads and we we obviously know he can tackle so. He seems like he might be nice. Another one of those nice interchangeable fits back there and safety where he can play. Maybe a little strong safety play little free safety but certainly handle that deep center field and maybe we do a pretty good job doing it. Pick a different answer than you. I guess linebackers. I wasn't quite sure how would that. I'll would turn out. We haven't seen thomas davis but kaiser white look like an animal on sunday. Drew tranquil made some plays in the preseason janitor. Whoa sue has had a strong preseason and got banged up and game but he's also so been more valeo than a sam but denzel perryman playing little rusty but got that big hit on a fumble so through two preseason games not so bad of course i'm leaving out nick designer because that would drag the whole gray down but for now. I'm not as worried about the linebackers going in the season yeah. I think that's fair. I think there's a group they played pretty well and you seen some ascension from some of the guys that were kind of in the middle or bottom of the depth chart last year and it's really nice to have kaiser kaiser white back healthy because that's a guy who i think can do a lot of damage as middle linebacker in this in this defense if the guys in front of them hold up yeah all right so let's go talk about a couple of things before we break down this game against the saints and first off <hes> right before we recorded this podcast the chargers announced that they released the long long time long snapper mike win and they ended up signing the old veteran dontrelle inman the wide receiver to add to this <hes> receiving corps yeah. It was a little surprising to see them. Let go of mike went who has been with the team for ten years and was really the only part of the field goal unit that they didn't seemed to have any interest in examining with with any real you know vigor <hes> last last year when they're having all those issues with sturgis kicking missing kicks <hes> seemed like they were just dug in and he was not the problem and they were gonna they were gonna blame it on the holder or the kicker whatever they do to protect him and they brought in cole mazda in march a guy who was one of the top long snapper is in the af <hes> last year and it seems like they've. They've decided that mazas their guy you know he's i guess. They feel like he's playing well. He's obviously less expensive than ben so little surprising to see them cut at this stage of the pre season but i guess they figured they give them a chance to find a job somewhere else <hes> and then bringing back in again a little surprising <hes> in just in the sense that you know they decided he didn't fit what two years ago and traded him away and now they bring him back. It makes some sense when you look at the wide receiver depth chart and lack doc experience behind alan benjamin williams which is something that we've talked about on the show on more than one occasion <hes> in. I like bringing him back. I think he'll push the young guys. He'll probably push one of them off the roster. He sees he's just an easy guy to root for. You know he works hard. He hopefully contribute on special teams and <hes> sta a couple kind of surprising moves that might help round out the depth chart a little bit yeah. We're going into the season. It seemed like dylan. Cantrell would be that guy that we compete with those arteta's scott and jimmy davis and of course his injury happened and so once he was gone. There wasn't any competition. We talked about last podcasts that those five five wide receivers were locked in with keenan allen. When mike williams travis benjamin tavis gotten jeremy davis and i know andrea patent had a pretty good game which i'm sure we'll get to a little bit here but they didn't have any real competition in for that wide receiver four or five or even travis benjamin for that matter for wide receiver three. He definitely deserves some competition so incomes dontrelle inman who obviously has the chemistry with playing in the system playing with philip rivers. I guess they're texting back and forth so rivers obviously wanted him in that group and we'll see you you know we've all expected arteta scott jeremy davis to make that leap and you know maybe earn some snaps going into the season but so far through two preseason games. They've just been all right. Nothing really write home about so far thought or teams got. We make a little bit more noise on special teams. He might be the guy leading jeremy davis at this point maybe because he's got a special teams value but right now. There's going to be a real competition. Who's going to be that last wide receiver you assume that alan williams benjamin and now in minner probably locked in with the four they could obviously cut him and if it doesn't work out but for right now in the fourth of and then you've got arteta's scott and jimmy davis for that fifth wide receiver yeah you know you mentioned special teams value with scott doesn't sound like he's gonna wind up returning kicks during the regular season but davis is one of their a key coverage guys so it'll be interesting to see how things shake out you just kind of look at the roster and you look at mike williams and you look at inman you know do they really. We need another big receiver. In jeremy davis are they better off kind of getting a guy kind of play in the slot and a little smaller and shift ear. Maybe can create some yard <hes> yards after catch so so. It'll be interesting to see how things shake out especially considering. I thought the younger receivers looked much better on sunday than they did in the first preseason game so so the timing of it. It's a little questionable but <hes> you know we'll see. I think competition is always good whether it's travis benjamin jeremy davis or arteta's scott and i think the truth is is the chargers looked at their chart and realized maybe we can't rely on our table scott. Maybe we can't rely on jeremy davis so <hes> <hes> kudos to them for realizing that and we'll see if he just winds up pushing guys to work harder or if he winds up stealing one of those last two spots yeah and you know i guests <hes> it upgrades the wide receiver depth for sure <hes> you know maybe maybe he does push travis benjamin for wide receiver three. We'll see there's definitely competition there now so oh they've got two more preseason games. We'll see how this all shakes out and onto some bad news and that is since last time we spoke charge took a pretty hefty blow losing safety defeat number derwyn james. He injured his foot during during practices with the saints after celebrating interception. I don't know if you saw that video jamie but i did stupid. I mean not not not that. He was celebrating but he was just jogging. You know it wasn't like he was jumping up and down or doing backflips raining down he was just running with us just run in with his group and in an upcoming up lame and so on thursday derwin is going to be headed for surgery north carolina where they're going to remove a screw foot that kind of got bent last week during james is expected to be out three to four months. Yeah obviously a big loss. I mean you really can't replace a guy like derwin james he is he does so much for that defense from playing safety to play linebacker slot corner outside corner even on some defensive end. He's a great pass rusher. He really does it all in a way that very few safeties can so very difficult to replace him but i feel like they've got a pretty good safety group and once they start getting guys jaylen watkins and zero back though they'll have some options and it it seems like just based on the way they rotated guys last on sunday after german got hurt <hes> seems like you know you're probably looking at adrian phillips being the quote unquote starting strong safety and playing with the base defense and then rotating down in his familiar dime linebacker position <hes> in the dime packages and having a jaylen watkins or maybe a an alley or even maybe a <hes> <hes> rodrick teamer coming in and replacing him at the strong safety position so lots of options. I feel like you know once you get over the initial shock of losing derwin and everything he does you look at the guy like phillips in the year he had last year and granted. You can't necessarily count on him to do everything last year but i feel like phillips is a decent replacement. He does enough of the things that that james does that. You feel comfortable with him. Back there certainly with the base defense and you know he's going to be on the field playing that hat dime linebacker role anyway so <hes> i just think that they can they can get enough out of phillips and then rotate him with two or three other guys to not replace james but at least feel comfortable that they don't have a massive hole back there and maybe get some solid production out of three guys to do. What james did yeah no. They got really lucky. Rescinding adrian phillips in having this shakeout the way it did have a guy as versatile as adrian phillips's to play strong safety and a play that nickel linebacker and so there's a lot of different things that he can do in like you mentioned. You can't replace derwin james. You know the defenses obviously better with their when there's no debating that app but it doesn't take a massive dip like it would in a lot of other different position groups on this roster for the chargers. They got lucky that they have a guy like adrian. Phillips who can fill strong safety safeties still be that linebacker depth and then a lot of guys in the preseason making some plays. We'll talk about him. Jaylen watkins and guy you mentioned rodrick. Team are also making play so you know that means now that darwin's out. There's a safety spot open. Maybe even two depending on how these to play and we'll see how this all shakes out. It seems like we might be looking at a hunter henry situation like we did last year in that you know derwin has a chance to be back during the season and i don't know what recovery it's three to four months but you know every place different different but it seems like that returned time at worst as towards the end of that season and so you know we might see where he comes back towards the end of that year or into the playoffs henry. We might see that you know from week thirteen on willie play this week. They play this week. He's starting to get there. He's trying to get there so we'll. We'll see how this all works out. If the charges get to the playoffs is another matter but for the majority of the season durham james will not be on the chargers roster he will and there's probably a pretty good chance that if he does come back he will be somewhat limited not himself. Maybe not as explosive still trying to get back to trusting his foot so that kind of were that's kind of where it plays into that. You know hunter henry situation. Where maybe it doesn't pay to play him. If you've got two or three guys filling his role well enough that you don't want to rush come out and risk hurting him so we'll see what happens i mean you know if he gets if he's able to get healthy and he he recovers quickly and he's back at one hundred percent then certainly one of out there but if he's going to be out there at eighty percent seventy five percent just because you want out there you know maybe maybe you decide to hold off on that and give them a full offseason to recover. There's no two ways about it. It sucks that you lose james but then like you mentioned once you kind of get over the shock of it you realize that fills nicely and they won't take a massive dip in that and that's that's still good for the defense because they're going to be carrying this team in two thousand nine hundred and so. Let's go ahead and talk about this second preseason game like last week week. Jamie divvied up the different sides of the ball last week. I did offense. We're going to switch and jimmy d defense. Special teams will trade all defense special teams james. He's gonna do offense so gimme storyline from the game on sunday. Well we kind of hinted at it earlier. I think the first storyline and as much as you don't wanna go negative right out off the top the first orlando has to be the offensive line <hes> because they suck the tackles in particular are really bad <hes> <hes> you know just get to the point where those tackles are getting collapse into the pocket within a second or two of the ball being snapped. They're not getting their hands on people boulder whipping blocks in the running game when they do get their hands on people they're being called for holding <hes> tevi and scott and pipkins in particular were awful awful on sunday. There were several plays where pipkins just flat out with blocks. <hes> scott getting getting called for holding on the backside running plays because he can't keep his guy in front of him. It seemed like every passing down both heavy and scott were chasing their men down from behind or you know hanging onto them like like hanging from them like a cape or something just kind of debt blowing in the wind trying to try and hang on so <hes> those guys are awful i did i think the the interior of the offensive line will they started off poorly. It seemed like they kind of got their legs under him and they started to figure things out after the first couple of drives <hes> still oh couple mr simmons. It still seems like guys a little confused. A lot of that probably has to do with the fact that you've got fini out there. Learning how to play center on the fly and pouncey is not out out there you gotta figure he'd be picking up on a lot of those blitzes if he was out. There would mike pouncey but you know they're they're not. They're not recognizing being <hes> blitzes. They're not shifting protections. They're missing blocks are holding <hes> the the the third one and fourth in one on the first dr scott miss two block on that on that series <hes> got to be fair forced lamp also with the block on the third down it might have been the fourth down but he got right inside of him when he tried to chase him down from behind <hes> just a lot of problems a lot of stuff to be cleaned up and there's no real solution you can't throw pipkins out there right now so they're stuck with heavy and scott at <hes> at the tackle positions unless they can go out and make a move and bring bringing a veteran two or three. I mean they can't be they can't be comfortable looking at that group right now. They just can't they can't be comfortable looking at that group and thinking that oh we're fine fine especially when you look and you realize that pickens is your number three tackle right now. That's kind of scary. He went into the season. He was supposed to be tackled for like a deep upswing tackle so he could sit on the bench. Now you're looking at it and it seems like there's a pretty good chance he's going to see the field at some point this season and that's terrifying yeah. No those tackles were off when when i am calling it a shit show earlier was was just referring to these tackles because you know we're pretty good. Scofield was all right at the beginning. I thought fenian lamp we're much better towards the end of that game nor has game went on but man those tackles were just so bad samten in particular i did. I didn't like anything he did. On sunday and trip kansas just still continuing to struggle. He did it in game one game two. They were talking him up so much in the preseason and i don't know if they were kind of setting them up a little bit. Maybe getting a little excited about them and so this is a bigger letdown. I don't know but pickens has just been awful and tabby hasn't been any better and when they cut mike win. You're thinking oh maybe they're bringing another office of line because make sense in your head that after the showing on sunday if any the group needed some more depth it was those tackles and to bring in another wide receiver after guy like andrei patent had a game he did a little suspect but regardless it seems like anti trusts in his offensive line and those five guys and that offensive line coach and i just i don't get it yeah. None of it makes sense. They really didn't have a plan obviously in case of a catastrophic injury <hes> going into the season and showing and <hes> you you know there's not much else you can say. They're bad <hes> the chances of them getting a whole lot. Better are probably slim <hes>. I just seemed like i mean those tackles. Ios manages seem like they're reaching and grabbing and lunging on every play giving up pressure to the inside getting beat around the outside getting bull rushed. They just have no answer. There's no the anchor there. There's no footwork there and pipkins. I mean he's getting you know. Fork lifted by linebackers carried back into the pocket <hes>. He looks like he's terrified and intimidated. The footwork team talked about just does not seem to be there. I know he's athletic. He had one or two blocks where he looked. Okay okay out in space in the running game but man past protections a problem so i do think the interior the line will be pretty good be it'll. It'll be interesting to see if they go with fini or lamp guard. It seems like right now. The way things are going. It's probably going to be phoenix because the only time we see lamp at left. Guard is when feeney's playing center so it seems like feeney's gonna wind up winning that job maybe lamp will have to earn his way in or maybe they'll rotate them <hes> but <hes>. I'm not as worried about the interior as i am. The edges the big problem yeah especially when you start to think about these pass rushers in the a._f._c. west and when the game start mattering so we'll go ahead and move on a defense and i just want to lump two guys in and i kind of mentioned him a little bit earlier but we'll talk about kaiser white new wosa because they have some really good place early on in that a game on the saints i drive 'cause you're white how to tackle for loss on latavius murray's re hyphen in the backfield stuck them in the backfield on the next play benzine the edge you almost got the sack and bridgewater fires to throw this off line and that's a throw that brayshaw jenkins agai you mentioned earlier almost had that interception where it seemed like he had it in his fingertips for good good six seconds that's holding running the sideline almost cradling his fingertips and then it falls to the ground i thought he was gonna interception and then the very next drive is is your white sniffs out a pass out in the flat. Zach line ends up closing minimal game. Two plays later on a third nate. Kaiser white is in zone bridgewater's forces stepped in the pocket doc it kaiser white reason bridgewater looks to go run as kyw's years closing bridgewater bales decides to throw it and it's an errant throw it goes over the receiver receiver and so because you're white had an effect on two of those three plays on that dr chen woes who had a big hit on third down on the saints first possession of the half and you know they were both all all over the field the real news now is the new oh soo injury because after the third quarter touchdown he was rushing off the right side died and he just kind of came up lame a little bit and after that he had his abdomen wrapped up he didn't return so hopefully who's going to be good to go soon now. I anti lynch said he was a little bit sore today so we'll see he didn't rule out him playing or at least practicing this week so <hes> you know i guess it's he was a little murky on his injury status. Yeah both those guys are great. <hes> kaiser white just looked so instinctive at middle linebacker aggressive. He had a great run stop where he threw the line. <hes> got a tackle for loss. He seemed like he was everywhere. Sideline to sideline coming downhill. He looked absolutely fantastic and new. Oh soo looks like a completely different player this preseason now some of that's been against backup offensive lineman but he look explosive off the edge. There's a lot of ben there. He it looks really good playing with his hand in the dirt to the point that you almost wonder if they're going to bother playing him at sam. Maybe maybe we get to see your white at sam. If paramount winds up in the middle it'll linebacker job because you gotta feel like paran and white and thomas davis or the three best linebackers on the roster right now so <hes> just really good to see the development in new oh soo he's developing counters. He's getting around the edge in a hurry he just he looks like one of the chargers best defenders and he's we know he's a backup defensive end right now covering from melvin ingram basically so exciting to see that both those guys playing really well yeah no definitely ari right. Go ahead and give me another story line from the offense. <hes> i'll go with a positive at least in terms of a positive performance even if it might hurt us to admit it. I think you know where i'm going. You know we. We've been very critical of jones basically since he got here he's he's l- lost for most of his time here in the preseason. He actually looked somewhat under control. He was making good reeds made some good throws. He had a couple that were a little high but there the receivers were able to pull them in and outside of holding the ball to a couple of times. <hes> cartel looked as good as he's looked basically since he got here in two thousand seventeen anthony leads said as much <hes> you know after the game it was one of those first comments he couldn't wait to say talk about how good cartel jones looked how was his best game as a charger and how you can see the benefits of him spending three years in the same system. It's finally starting to pay off so the ah the bright side of that is obviously cartel. He played very well. The team likes him for whatever reason and they're excited to see him perform well <hes> the downside of that is for those also view <hes> eastern stick fans who did not play well it seems like stick lost some major ground carl jones and again jones and was the second quarterback to come on the field not stick after his performance last week kind of gives you an idea of where stick is and the competition right now so kudos the jones for playing well and oh shit. They're gonna keep three quarterbacks and jones and the third quarterback yet again. He very well could be which is a scary thought but you know i hate to admit it but he seemed like the best chargers quarterback on the field on sunday he played better than in my opinion you play they better than tyrod in eastern stick. I think that dr after the jaylen watkins interception where he drove from inside their ten their own the to all the away down the touchdown marshon all the way down the field to an easy pitch and catched andrea pat and i mean it was methodical. We would have been raving about it if suzy's and stick. Maybe a little bit more excitement in my voice if it was easing stick but you know. I guess he's not dead yet. We'll see what happens in game three and four but i still have a hard time believing that they'll cut eastern. Stick spending a fifth round pick on him four guy cardo jones but we'll see i mean cartels definitely closing in. It's no longer like last week. Just get cordell and don't even let him catch the bus ride home to oh shit. There's an national competition to kiwi three now to encarta jones in eastern stink and joe's might be the third quarterback so god. We'll see man two more games and hopefully houston stick shows up yeah. I mean that drive. You mentioned <hes> after watkins. Pick was phenomenal. I mean starting on the two <hes>. There's a penalty that they overcame he. He took a massive hit on. I think a second or third down throw to culkin to convert a first down and extend the dr <hes> the play that he made the throw that he made to <hes> andre patent for the touchdown was a perfect read with the saints and zero coverage <hes> no safety deep and he just threw it out through it out in front. The patent run out running catch. It was perfect <hes>. He even had a solid drive on his next drive. It's stalled on what i thought. Were a couple of bad calls. There was a face mask. Call against <hes> newsom that was garbage. It was stiff arnold's off it was brutal and then they also called cartel for for a an intentional grounding penalty down in the red zone which was awful because there was a receiver in the area and yeah he overthrew him but that's the the whole point is there is a guy there and he threw it over his head and they just missed it and it seemed like the saints talk them into that penalty. Because it was such a late call it was brutal and and that was really the one the one questionable play that card l. made and it was the right decision the right read and he got penalized for it so kind of unfair for cartel as much as i don't wanna stick up for him it was kind of unfair for cordell and he played really well and he deserves all the credit. He's getting since the game yeah no definitely he played a great game so switching off offense and back to defense want to talk about the undrafted free agent roger teamer. Who's the guy you mentioned. Team replayed the most special team snaps and the most defensive stamps of any chargers on sunday on defense. He plays seventy seven percent of the snap on defense forty eight percent stamps on special teams according to pro football focus he had twenty one snaps coming at linebacker nineteen th slack corner six on the d. line three three at free safety so he was the derwin james of that game too. If you will of the preseason he played everywhere he was tied for the most tackles on the team was six recorded half a sack three defensive stops he was impressive as a defender and on special teams he made a really clean tackle with tyler newsom putting out of the chargers end zone and on return for no gain which was really good jaylen watkins had the interception on the tip pass like we mentioned second quarter which reminds me daniel popper had mentioned that that was a year to the day where j watkins tours a._c._l. So that's a pretty cool sarry store at interception that day but this battle now between jaylen watkins roger teamer her for that for safety spot with james is now starting to heat up and maybe you make a case for keeping four jaylen watkins has some experience at both free safety strong safety. He also special teams value. Roger teamers got some real special teams value clearly. I think he was one of the best special teams player in game one. I thought he was one of the better special teams player in a week to outside of tremaine pope and his big t._v. Of course his return touchdown but teamer has been great and coverage <hes> on special teams so i think roger teamer is really really close to making the fifty three and he might continue that you'd e._f._a. Streak for the chargers yeah yeah i think he's probably in and i wouldn't surprise me at all if they carry five safety just to be safe out of the gates. I don't know how they'll do it because it's it's obviously going to really bad spot. Numbers wise somewhere else but tackle is where it's going to really have issues. You know just kind of looking down on the road. I mean can you put that guy in your practice squad after the way he's played the last two weeks. I don't know that you can so that they might feel feel compelled to keep him just so they don't lose him but yeah i i agree with you. I thought teamer was really good. He was very good in flashes in the first preseason game and he was just flat out good in the second preseason game. <hes> yeah i saw making run stops. He was good in coverage. He's on special teams. He's doing a little bit of everything thing and looking very very good doing it and it seems like his confidence is growing with every snap he's getting so he's been a lot of fun doing it from everywhere yeah and not just playing strong. Thank safety or free safety. He's doing it from everywhere so yet. 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He was one of their better special teams last year. <hes> but jeremy made too nice physical catches to convert first downs <hes> on out routes deep outs on sunday that was it in terms of wide receiver production but he ran some good routes one of the catches in particular. He had to go up and get into a pretty good luck on so he he played very well. <hes> i think scott if i'm not mistaken had four catches for sixty. Four yards patent was somewhere in the same neighborhood. Both those those guys were making plays down the field down the sidelines long the perimeter from the slot in the middle of field. They both played exceptionally. Well patent made a couple of really nice physical. Catch is is <hes> arteta. Scott had a really nice catch for first down where he took a link in a i forget who it was one of the saints hit him in the back with his helmet and got penalized for it so all three of those guys played really well. They all stepped up after a very bad week for all three well two of the three in arizona and they get rewarded awarded by the chargers going out and signing dontrelle limit of any group. It seems like the wide receivers did enough to let them go into week three but no they brought the veterinarian and now patents almost guaranteed not to make the roster and it's between <hes> davis gotten jimmy davis yeah so i'll go ahead and move on defensive. Just give a quick shout outs here to a couple of players first off. Jerry tillery looked pretty good charge debut to highlight being that sacchi had before the half i four he exhibited some beautiful hand usage swipe inside. He basically rotates him hill to the ground. The play happens so fast. We got to see some of that. Explosiveness on that play which was awesome had a really good run. Stop posted a gif of it. Him and roger teamer met at the running back and it was a great read by both of them. The team played denzel perryman late into that game which was a big story line. We found out that that anthony lynn just want him to knock some of the rostov stop so they wanted to just get him some extra playing time he had to miss tackles night game but of course was all forgot forgotten when he had that big hit on a z bow and pop that football news who's that it was nice but to be honest i think paramount was pretty up and down that game a lot of people talking about that hit and that fumble but to me he had more down than up he still looks really really rusty and you know he's he's still getting back at it and still get in football shape and getting used to the game a little bit and then of course i want to give a shout out to anthony lynn lanier who was another guy who had a pretty good day a tie with teamer and perryman for the lead in tackles with six had a big run stop at the beginning of the fourth quarter that was a tackle for loss but they didn't count on the scoresheet which is a shame and linear was in the backfield a lot throughout that whole game it seemed like that number ninety and then of course that big time saccone contain some hill on that two point conversion that two point try where he got the sack and they are they were unsuccessful so you know hosa was missing in any significant time you're looking at. Maybe a guy that can climb up the depth chart is another and there we'll see but linear definitely making some noise this preseason. I think a linear is a very interesting guy. Talk about just because with krispies hurt you know you start looking at the depth chart is chain of osa linebacker. Is he a defensive end. You know if you're gonna list him. As a linebacker that probably leaves the fourth <hes> defensive end position open with you know obviously ingram bosa and isaac rochelle being being the top three so pieces hurt. It's going to be hard for them to make the roster unless he gets on the field in a hurry and linear is just lights out and that he's he's two eighty plus he so quick off the line he moves in a way that he shouldn't be able to at that size so <hes> it'll be interesting to see you know how how they view him and if they try to fit him on the roster just because he's a guy with three years experience in it seems like he's starting to put it together that that would be an unlikely guy that they'd be able to stash on the practice squad in my opinion assuming he he's even eligible for the practice squad so do you trade him. Do you keep them. Maybe you could leverage him and get an offensive of lyon adam. Maybe you just use them and keep the depth at defensive end. I don't know but i think he's a really interesting guy to watch over the next two weeks to see if he can continue to get those snaps and make the most of them and forces way into the conversation for one of those last defensive lineman spots yeah yeah i think anthony and roger teamer all those guys are on the bubble that are starting to make a case to make that fifty three yeah i mean linear was a guy who nobody was talking about going into camp. I mean people were excited about kris peas <hes> the josh corcoran kid people thought might make it <hes> but nobody said anything about linear and i don't think we even really mentioned him <hes> in our any of our offseason programming coming so he he's really surprised excuse me he's really he's really surprised and impressed and it seems like he's certainly making his way up the depth chart my last storyline just a couple of shouts guys who i thought played really well on offense. Obviously you can't talk about this game. Without talking about tremaine pope <hes> we had a lot of back and forth early in the off season about well is is newsom you know d'etre de-stress newsom lock to make the roster will they keep four running backs lacks will they keep three seems like newsome is slipping down the depth chart and now you start to see pope making plays in the in the return game. He looked really good as a receiver seaver against the saints this week. He's a guy who seems like he's working his way up the depth chart and might be making a push for a third or fourth running going back spot depending on how they wanna put the roster together with melvin gordon out so he's a guy to watch the next two weeks to see if they start kind of featuring him a little bit more. <hes> you know i think last year going into the fourth preseason game they shut down everybody but newsome so it'll be interesting to see if they do something similar with pope in the fourth preseason season game this year to try to get extended look at him <hes> so he played very well. I think sean kokin has come a long way. He's a guy who looked really really good and athletic <hes> out in front as a run blocker on sunday he had a nice physical twelve yard catch i down from from cartel jones and and he looks like he's taken making strides every week. You know he's probably not going to be a guy who's going to put up a ton of catches but he's blocking extremely well. He's getting open and it seems like he can contribute on special teams so if you're when you start looking at that tight end three spot where at a point in the offseason where people are starting to look kind of have not so patiently wonder when the team is going to bring back antonio gates and i think the team has quietly sitting back and really liking what they're seeing from <hes> from culkin the guy who they talked up during camp and kind of hoping that he forces them out of any thought of signing gates because he seems like he's really progressing and and really taking a step forward his game all in all aspects of his game since last season when you know he didn't really do much on the roster and he was kind kind of tough to watch at times you know i was really hoping andrew was gonna stay. Healthy is a shame you towards a._c._l. Because i thought it was going to be interesting competition with coconut voeller but yeah everything everything calkins done so far in the preseason proven that he's the tide in three there's no other tied in making any noise at all whatsoever so he's pretty much locked to make the roster and <hes> doing pretty good of course special teams contributor mostly blocking tight end able to get a third down catch there in the game and you know with the ball on his way i more times than is catching it so that that's definitely a good thing. I thought some of their best running plays came with him and hunter henry on the field together and in some cases with him leading the way so coke and played very well joining watching his progression all right well. I just got one more thing on defense for move on a special teams and that's kind and when i was talking about earlier and that's nick zuber who was a complete dead on sunday. He had multiple missed tackles gave up at least three catches and covers that i counted one was for a first down on the running back. Zibo who does ubu wasn't even the vicinity until after the first down marker pushed him out of bounds sounds you know with guys like roger teamer making noise drew tranquil and others who are starting to splash a little bit on special teams. I think this is the year that the chargers gotta let him go. He's an excellent special teamer but he's an absolute liability on the defense and i don't think you can afford to keep them with all. These guys are showing a lot on special teams james. I think they can make up for it during the season so <hes> designer just awful on sunday and i think he's about out here yes. I think that was the plan in the season. I mean you know when they were down to their last two healthy linebackers in the playoffs they basically refused to put zuber on the field and they went with seven defensive back alignment so i think realizing that they couldn't rely on him on defense. They went out. They added tranquil. They added a bully. They added kyle wilson elson. They added thomas tavis. The list goes on and on and on and it's pretty obvious who they were targeting. You know they they didn't bring kyle manual newell and designer still under contract but it seems like he's the other guy they're trying to push out with better athletes and guys who have at least a chance to contribute. Are we on defense. Some of them could be starters in a couple of years so <hes> there's just so many able body guys in kyle wilson's even played pretty well on spots <music> starting the first two games so i have a hard time seeing zuber making the roster and you know i wouldn't have objected if they cut him over went today day time and let's stop dragging it out already know absolutely and anthony lynn kinda talked about how you know. The plan was that they were gonna end up leading went go but they wanted to re release them early on so that he could hopefully find a spot to stick on another team. Which is you know obviously a classy move for a veteran and you you wanna cut him early rather than during fifty three's when there's that mad dash so it would have been a lot nicer if they'd done it before training camp but regardless they gave them some extra talk to try to find a home so yeah. No i agree with you. I think this is all in for zuber. I can't quite put my finger on kyle wilson. I don't know exactly what they want to do with him. He's the first linebacker up and i know perriman isn't ready to be with the starters yet and just kind of getting some garbage minutes to get back in the groove and thomas davis isn't in there in it kind of your wife's obviously in there but tranquil later on and zoom years later on but he's really jumped up. I don't know if they like him or if he's just the next man up there. It's it's confusing there. We'll see how that goes. I it seems like he's the next man up at will because they've been without thomas davis and they've been without details davis brown yeah at the last week so it seems like he's probably the third wall on the depth chart and just happens to be playing because the other guys just aren't there right right right yeah gitane. This was the most search for you right. Okay so let's go ahead and go to special teams and you know you mentioned tremaine pope return touchdown which was big big he had three defenders bearing down on him and he made them all miss which was beautiful setup his blocks downfield and it was drew tranquil who buried the last man to lead the way. Hey down the sideline. He just goes for that touchdown and you mentioned it. Pope may have jumped newsom pope was the next man up in front of teachers newsom he he might be the guy as rb three right now he had some special teams value obviously with a touchdown so it seems like some kind of has a steep hill to climb but if they break break camp and it's three running backs that cler jackson and it's pope it's not our own possibility that they can swoop up deters news put him on the practice squad you know he didn't put that much together that some other team has to grab him so there's there's a chance they might be able to sneak newsom through through waivers. I'm not sure but it seems right now that newsome that newsome's before with popey and rb three at the moment and then the other story line is is of course the punters and of course. I guess we gotta talk about it. Tie long was the much better punter on sunday over tyler newsom and long average three more yards per attempt to newsom some did long pinned to of three kicks inside the twenty tie long had a great kick right angled the sideline saints back to their own six which was the best kick of the game mm-hmm newsroom had two kicks didn't have much time he put them in pretty bad spot in terms of a line drive kick and it didn't cost them any points points and they're able to recover but the other thing that's kind of that. We got to kind of keep in mind. Here is that is the holder for michael badgley too so it's pretty much along job to lose at the moment because he's also the holder and the kicker michael badgley made his one field goal long was the was the holder there so it just seems like along the guy yeah i mean we talked about it last week. Long is the best punter he's handling kickoff duties and he's older so unless newsom can snag like one of those one more of those three jobs. It seems unlikely that he's gonna make it and you mentioned newsome's kicks. He had to shortcake's one of them was kind of a wa- bler in in both cases <hes> the punt returner was running up underneath it got a head start and he under kicked his coverage so newsome is not look good then long has so it seems like that that battle is more or less wrapping up unless newsom gets really hot and they decided to carry three kickers which god god help opposite they do. They're not having it seems unlike it seems unlikely it ain't happening and then of course the other thing we mentioned earlier is that mike winker got cutting. It's going to be cool. Mazda the chargers long snapper for two thousand nineteen before we call it a show here. I just wanted to give a big shout out to josh albertson and erin and darryl roll even john kagley somebody that we had a good conversation with a big shout and thank you for all of your generosity and hospitality on sunday. It really made for a great day for my wife and i so thank you all right well. That is going to do it for us this week. We will talk to you next week. I am at garissa. Stay on twitter jamie me at lightning round. We will see next time. 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Week 17 Chiefs Vs. Chargers

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Week 17 Chiefs Vs. Chargers

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This is Chris Childs with you guys tonight on the eve of our week. Seventeen matchup with San Diego in Los Angeles chargers. Sorry it's been a year end there. I still can't get their name right or their location anyways. week seventeen. We're up against the CHARGERS GERS and This is a definitely going to be a game. That's going to be impactful for the chiefs if Other scenarios play out for us Before I get into that we need the New England patriots to lose to Miami in December like they did last year to open up the possibility of US getting into the second seed in going into the playoffs. If we get this win against the chargers and the Patriots lose against the Dolphins we get the second seed and we get a bi week. And we'll we'll have a home game in aero head off against the winner of the wildcard game and I personally am okay with New England and beating the dolphins and for us to take the third seed. I'm okay with US going into that situation because as we look at our record over the season we're seven in in one on the on the road you guys and that shows that we are capable of going into other people's houses and Making a mess leaving and letting them clean up the mess and as we did earlier the season with it wasn't a saying the chargers home but in Mexico a we well we beat the chargers and I expect a very similar results tomorrow but for slightly different reasons so looking over the the chargers injury report. They only have one player who is ruled Out For this game in Russell Kung their starting left tackle which is huge because he really is the cornerstone of of their defense or offensive line. And they're gonNA be replacing him with a rookie like most like they did when we played the last time and as we saw in that last game we were able to terrorize. Philip Rivers We only got two sacks out of him but we have pressure on him the entire game and we forced him into throwing a lot of throwing four interceptions so he made few mistakes He was twenty native fifty two who and so he definitely had a rough night And I expect for him to have very much of the same result tomorrow due to that that injury with Russell Kong on the defensive side. They're healthy they have all of their players I let's see Their starters their backups. Everybody's healthy I mean. They probably have a few knicks Here and there but nobody's Out Nobody is questionable on on the defensive side and This worries me just slightly simply because the last one we play they didn't have Derwin James and when during James is healthy he's probably one of the top ten safeties in the league and and Do I think that's going to necessarily shut. Shut down our offense. Heck no do. I think that it's going to make things a little bit more challenging. Oh yeah definitely. And so. Just looking looking over their their D. line and We're going to be expecting a lot of pressure. Obviously from Joey. Bosa who is their leading. sack gator. Who is currently carrying eleven point five sacks on the season their next guy I Melvin Ingram was seven and then you're looking at there a UP. The middle of their defensive. Tackle and Brandon The Bane he's he's the guy who's really going to control that interior. Justin Jones is pretty much. Just a A block eater. He doesn't really do a whole lot right up the middle other than the stuff. The run but Brandon Bane. He can get after the quarterback up the middle as well So we're definitely GONNA need for offensive line to be on point In Tomorrow's game their linebackers New also Perriman Davis senior. I mean these guys other than other than Thomas Davis These guys are still developing and finding themselves in the League and Thomas Davis I mean that guy's been around for a while and he's he's definitely one of the more respected linebackers in the game. Definitely have to give give him or his respect and keep an eye on him but like we did in Mexico. We I expect for us to be able to shut down Joey. Bosa Osa and control. Melvin Ingram I think Ingram's ends up being the one that ends up pressuring Mahomes the most but again do I think it's going to lead to US losing the game. No on the flip side of that looking back at the last time that we played them Like I said earlier. Philip rivers was twenty to fifty two but he threw for three hundred and fifty three yards and the majority thirty of those jars ended up going to Austin editor. who had eight catches for one hundred and eight yards We definitely need to focus on him. Coming out of the Backfield backfield and then Mike Williams he only had two catches but he had seventy six yards and so we definitely need to limit his big replay Abilities Keenan Allen had eight catches for seventy one yards. He's going to be the guy who they're gonNA be looking to throw the ball to a lot. He and Austin are there leading a target receivers Keenan Allen has one hundred thirty thirty nine targets on the year off the neck. Lawyer is the next closest with ninety seven but Mike Williams has eighty-five targets. But he has a thirteen more yards on the year than in Austin and that's only route primarily only due to Mike Williams who has forty-seven catches on those eighty five targets and nine hundred sixty three art. He's averaging twenty yards per catch which is very much like our medical hardman. Mike Williams definitely is a big play receiver over and so we need to shut that down and keep him from making those big plays like he did in the last game hunter Henry their tight end he is always a very quiet threat in the past game. I you anybody who really pays attention to tight ends knows he's all he's healthy. He's one of the top top five top seven in in titans in the league. This guy has always hovered around the top Very athletic can make catches in traffic can make some the acrobatic catch. He does all the little things on the year. He's got fifty catches but he's been nicked up a little bit so Now that he's healthy. The Hill is making a push Looking at their defense Thomas Davis and Jalen Watkins where they're leading tacklers in the game in Mexico Ingram. It was the only guy who had a sack against us. Granny was only for a loss of two yards art but he still got some homes and that worries me But overall do I think that it straight up can can. The chargers beat us. No they're going to need a lot of help from zebras. And and I'm from us. We have to make mistakes in our for them to be able to beat us and if we limit those mistakes there. There's really really no way for the charges to beat us especially with the role that we've been on As long as well on our end I mean we need. We need Kelsey to come out and have another big game as always needs to be re MR reliable. We need for And I I hate that. I have to keep saying every single week but Sammy Watkins. McColl Hardman D Rob Somebody needs to step up and help out hill and Hill Dylan Kelsey in the receiving game. Pringle we need you to step up in I mean at this point in the season man you are working looking for a roster spot potentially next year no step up and her something D.. Rob Your your additioning for a new contract. Whether whether it's with us or with another team we'll get we'll get more into the offseason stuff Later on in the year you guys but but the also look at is When we played these guys last time tyreek hill had no catches edges and we still ended up being the chargers? Twenty four to seventeen. Do I think that they're gonNA shut tyreek Hill down and shut him out again. No way do I do. They limit him yet but I don't think that they can shut him. Shut him out. If if for two games I will be extremely surprised if they're able to hold him catch list for two games in one season that the that's almost inconceivable at this point in his career with as good as he is but we need other guys to step up cannot all be on Kelsey. The only guy who we have on our injury report that is going to be out for sure is Moore's clayborn exactly what is what's going on with him. He was limited in practice all week. And then on Friday he had a Anon- injury related absence from practice and he's been ruled out So everybody else's healthy is good to go So I expect for us to be able to control the game early and often I game plan wise. I think that we're going to do everything within our power to come out early and hopefully by halftime or at latest by third quarter to be in heavy control of this game so that fourth quarter we can shut things down put mahomes on the bench. Sit Sit our. The key is central players and Let them watch from the sideline while we beat up on the chargers. Some more and right into the sunset on the regular season and often to the playoffs. We're hopefully they're not going to be doing a whole lot of scoreboard watching because unfortunately new England plays the exact same time as us and you know show off the scoreboard and Just just focus on the game and get this when you guys. Although if we do lose does it necessarily affect our Standing it could good because right now if we if we were to lose and the Texans get a win then they could end up jumping us in seating and take the fourth seed but again. I'm okay with that because if that happens and we get the wild card win against Let's see four seaweed into play the buffalo bills but they have to come to our house we would then Go to Baltimore and get to beat up on the Mark Jackson and a returning Mark Ingram from a calf injury and I would be totally fine with either scenario oriole going to foxborough and beating up on the Patriots or going to Baltimore and beating up on the Ravens. As we've seen earlier in the season we have the defense to to shut down both of those offenses and I feel highly confident that we could go to either location and get a win there even in a playoff atmosphere which is different than the regular season. I'll give you that but I feel very confident that we could do that. 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The Lightning Round Podcast #178: Free Agency round-up & the 2019 Linebacker class

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The Lightning Round Podcast #178: Free Agency round-up & the 2019 Linebacker class

"Onto white mold Carter. This is the lightning round podcasts with your host Garrett sixty and Jamie oil charges. Go. Welcome. Everybody to another edition of the lightning round podcast. I am St. which is at Garissa. Stay on Twitter. Jamie is at lightning underscore around. And today, we got a lot to cover. We're gonna go over some of these free agent moves that happens as last time we recorded we also have to cover this linebacker class in the draft. So before we do let's give a shout out to a pair of donations this week. So the first shoutout goes to auto Silva, all the way from Brazil. He says, hey, guys bolts fan from Brazil here. If guys in the US can't find good charges news options. You can imagine my struggle. It's great to have a solid option via your podcast. Thanks for the great work. Keep it up. PS outerly imprint in the draft. Cheers. I'm a fan Adderley in the first round that makes sense next one is from Steve Bartle. He says here you go dudes Garrett. 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So to have somebody say that we're having that kind of impact on his life is pretty amazing. So thank you Steve for sharing that thank you for the donation. We appreciate it. And thank you for the continued support. Yeah. And good luck. In your your. Endeavors covering college football. All right. So let's go ahead and go over these free agent aquisitions that happened in the second week of free agency. We talked about suddenly internal free agents they signed beforehand, and let's go ahead and start with the big external free agent signing, and that's Thomas Davis. The linebacker from the Panthers. They signed linebacker Thomas Davis to a two year ten point five million dollar deal of the deal. Like Lesko specialty is heavily back loaded. Davis makes three point two five million of his ten and a half million this season with two million of that as a signing bonus in year two it's a seven point two five million dollar cap it leaving door open to cut Davis the twenty twenty if they had to and it cost them two million. They'd save five point two five million. When they made the signing. Everybody kind of it'd be for depth maybe at the Mike in the wheel spots. But Davis said during his press conference when they introduced him that he expects to be on the field as the will which is interesting, given you know, they've spent money or they spend a draft pick on Kaiser white and they've they've got Adrian Phillips who will get to here in a minute and even Getafe Brown who's in the last year was deal. So they're bringing any what thirty five year old linebacker guy who people are saying can't stay healthy, but outside of a couple of relish us. I think early in his career mistaken. I think he's played twelve or more games in like eight or nine consecutive seasons. Something like that. So he's been pretty durable. He's been very productive despite the age and the ACL injuries. He really hasn't seen that much of a drop off in production played twelve games last year after getting suspended for PD's and had I think almost eighty tackles twelve. Game. So as right on pace to do normally does he's a guy who excels in coverage will help cover ground and make stops in the running game. Just a nice veteran presence more leadership for a young defense, particularly the second third level. So an interesting signing when that I kind of like, I think it's one that will probably work out, and hopefully they can figure out how to balance out those snaps with some of the younger guys and and with Davis and Perriman. Yeah, you talked about being pencil, and will and of course, Kaiser white spot a year ago, depending on how you look at it. We might see a move from kinds your white. Maybe they move him to Mike, but wherever they move Zere. He seems to be the odd man if you will because if you know dental Perriman is Pennsylvania's the Mike and Thomas Davis is now penciled at the will either way if they move to Mike his fight with Perryman if he plays will he's got to with or at least compete with Thomas Davis in camp. And it's going to be interesting. I'm sure there's going to be. A a mix of those linebackers and it changes in dime. Of course. But it's going to be interesting to see where Kaiser white fits in this whole thing signing, Denzel Perryman Thomas. Davis added agent Philps like you mentioned you talk about a Getafe Brown. Also here for another year. It's interesting because it almost looks like the chargers saw this upcoming draft class of linebackers and decided to pass at least maybe kicked the can down the road year or two and I don't blame him for that one bit after linebacker class. So and that respect it's good. And like you mentioned he's going to be an instant leader that can't be replicated. It should help these younger guys. Like Kaiser your white. He so in coverage a monster on the run game. Even at this stage in his career. This is not a long-term out option. Like, we mentioned he could be gone next year for the short term. You got a real good linebacker depth now with Perriman and Phillips and Kaiser white Davis Brown. There's a lot of. So this was a kind of a spot that was a little bit open going into free agency. Now, they've kind of got a lot of guys competing for a couple linebacker spots. Yeah. Kind of makes you wonder what the plan is with Kaiser white like you mentioned somebody who looked really good in limited action last season of the knee injury. Kind of wonder if maybe there might be some lingering issues with the Niimi that precipitated this move or maybe they just want somebody to help teach him the will spot since it was a new position for him last year. You know, having somebody like Davis who's played it for as long as he has. And basically the same system should benefit Kaiser, it'll give a chance to learn the, Mike. Hopefully, learn the will. And like you mentioned with Perriman and Davis both being essentially on one year contracts with an option for the second year. There could be a chance for him to step into one of those two roles as soon as next year. So a good chance for him to kind of ease way back in learn to positions and for them to figure out where he fits best. And then the second outside free agent. They signed was the quarterback tyrod Taylor, formerly the Browns. He signed a two year eleven million dollar deal and like Thomas Davis. It's backloaded with a team option year one. It's three point five million with a two point five million dollars signing bonus and year to charters have a potential outlet tyrod if they pick his option up becomes a one year six million dollar deal, grabbing tyrod Taylor's of bonus in my opinion, because it calms my nerves for a lot of things one first off he becomes the best backup. Philip rivers has ever had this entire career took sixteen years, but they finally got their this also means the chargers aren't gonna be drafting quarterback. In two thousand nineteen which is the biggest takeaway from this whole entire thing. Keep kicking that Cam. They're talking about with linebacker kicking Cam for year two with quarterback revisited in two thousand twenty forget this whole entire draft. Punit take it off your board. Leave it alone. Maybe bonus to is that Tom plus can use tyrod as some trade bait next year for a team. That's looking for a quarterback. Maybe rivers who knows helps. Progression pushes stock up a little bit. That'd be nice. But also another added added bonus is these receivers don't have to take ground balls in training camp. And the preseason. We don't get to see them fielding grounders from guys like Kellen Clemens. Zach men burger and Mike Berger VC and all these guys who throw in grounders hospital balls. We get to see guys that guy that is semi accurate, and we get to get good grasp on what these wide receivers can do because there's going to be a pretty big battle wide receiver three we'll talk about a little bit. But that's also a very good thing. That is very good thing. And you didn't mention the best part if they signed tyrod Taylor for two years. It means they're probably about ready to give up on Cardo Jones care. He was gone already. Now. He's definitely gone. Yeah. Not in their is. But in my mind, he was gonna last year in our mind, but that didn't happen. So but now they're seeing the same way. So that's a good thing. Yeah. And then they made a couple in house moves they of course, signed Adrian Phillips the linebacker slash safety. We obviously don't have any specifics on the deal yet of what we do know is the one year deal, and we had talked about going into free agency. This was priority. Number one recent injury Philps so impressive last year. They got that done. Yeah. Thank goodness. They got done. It was getting kind of nerve wracking there with him just weird that he sat out for as long as he did that he only got the one year deal kind of going back and looking at his history with the chargers and how well he played last year. And it's just seems like teams a hard time figuring out what to do with him. Is he strictly a special teams player is aligned baecker is you safety. A slot corner. Where do you put them where does he give you the best value? Can you fit him in your defense on down to down basis? And it just seemed like, you know, most teams felt like there was really no where they could fit him on down by down basis. He wasn't worth that long-term deal. And just seems like the chargers got a really good deal out of this. They got their one of their top three defenders back on what will probably be much cheaper deal than anybody thought probably somewhere in that five billion dollar range. They've been throwing around all off to some of the guys they've resigned and to Thomas Davis and. And he he gets to bet on himself. Just to say, look, this is this is who I am. This is the player I am. I'll take a one year deal, and I'll go make a big deal next year. So charters get a bargain, he gets to bet on himself more than likely we'll see him compete for free seat in for the free safety role in camp hopefully along with. With Jaylen Watkins and racial Jenkins. So three man group they're competing for that spot. And I think everybody wins here. Yeah. I had thought, you know, the fit becomes the question now because like we mentioned signing Thomas Davis signing, Denzel Perryman got Kaiser, wait, you've got your tapes Brown. If you add agent Phillips into that linebacker stable you've got five guys fighting for two linebacker spots, of course, again things change nickel. But that's a crowded group at the moment. And maybe since it's not an ideal fit there at linebacker right now, adding another body with HAMAs Davis, you know, maybe the teams thinking about trusting them into that free safety competition, and that might not be a bad thing. You know, he's obviously better closer line of scrimmage. We saw that last year and the year previous, but can't get much worse. If safety as it was last year. So we'll see they obviously through out there last year in camp didn't quite work out. And they they never really had an answer for safety. Ear to be honest with you, but they tried to camp. And I'm sure we'll see it again this year in camp. Yeah. I mean, I prefer to see him closer to Leonard scrimmage. But you gotta figure they will do what they can to find a spot for him on a regular basis which could be as simple as just bring him in and those dime packages to get Davis off the field repairman off the field. That's really where he thrives anyway. So I think there are still ways to get him on the field. Get plenty of snaps for him especially with as much as they play dime. And like I said hopefully chance for him to prove last year wasn't a fluke and build on it, and maybe cement has role here with the chargers for several years to come with another good year in two thousand nineteen so next up is defensive tackle. Brandon me Bain. They resign me bane to a two year ten point five million dollar deal. And like the others. It's backloaded first year four point three million and three point two five of that is rolled up in signing an roster bonus your too they have the potential out. But if they elect to keep me being for twenty twenty it's worth. Six point three million dollars another backloaded deal. I would have moved on from me bane to be honest with you. But I just don't think he brings a whole lot to this table. I think they could have upgrade at this spot in free agency. Most certainly will have to now in the draft with how they stand I thought me being played fine a year ago. I think while the chargers gave themselves Ripcord next off season. I'm not sure he's worth the price tag. The move is fine. You know, but it's just not the route. I would have gone hopefully, Bank can continue to mentor this young ins and interior especially with the guy they're going to have to draft early. Hopefully, but. You know, they have a big hole at defensive tackle. They had three guys that were free agents theories Filon Damion square Brandini Bain, they brought back. Brandon me Bain. Both of them are both reagents still score and Filon. We'll see how that shakes out. But right now having Brandon me Bain, Justin Jones and TY McGill as your three defensive tackles on the roster right now is not a good sign. Yes. Not very encouraging. I I kind of went back and forth on this. When we did the internal free agent show about whether or not to bring him back kind of figured they would bring me back. I was kind of agreeing with you, though, that I I didn't really see the need. I feel like it's a move that doesn't really move the meter in either way, it has the potential move the meter negative way. Based on the fact that he's getting older he went through a lot last year. I mean, he played like you said he played fine last year. He had his moments. I thought he was better at the end of the year after he came back, you know, quote, unquote, fresh after dealing with his family issues. He was better down the stretch. But I thought square and Filon were much more deserving of contract extensions given that they're both younger. They both do a lot of the dirty work. They did a lot of the heavy lifting last year Filon in particular, much more productive much more explosive more disruptive a guy who really has been their best of interior linemen for the last two. Two years. So the fact that he's still sitting out there is kind of a surprise to me. Hopefully, they figure out a way to get him back. It back in house because it would be a real shame to let somebody that you drafted in the six round who developed the way that he did and played the way he did particularly in two thousand eighteen let him sneak out because you didn't manage your money. Right. Or you felt like you had to resign me bane. I know the value means leadership, which you know, we use that as a reason for signing Thomas Davis when they signed David figured that's how they're replacing means leadership every me. Yeah. Now, they'd be. Now, they bring me being back kind of feels like. I don't know kind of feels like a personal emotional decision. More than a football decision or a business decision. Like they like him personally. They know he went through a lot. They wanna take care of their guy. And I get all that. I just feel like it's kinda time to move on and start making better more meaningful moves at that position. And we're just kind of stuck in neutral. So disappointing in that regard. Hopefully, they will find somebody in the first two days, at least one person the first two days at defensive tackle. We'll see how that shapes up. All right. So then they get some more help along the front line, and they give defensive and Isaac Rochelle the qualifying offer which will bring back Rochelle for another year. The price tag is six hundred forty five thousand dollars so easy price efficient move. Yeah. We talked about it during the the show for the internal free agents. It made sense. It's more of a procedural move. It's an expensive. There's. Risky is a guy who earned it. So kudos to him for getting that deal. Good move by the chargers for bringing him back. You know, he's a guy who can kick inside on passing situations in those NASCAR packages had some success in that role in twenty eighteen and good to have him back. And like, I said really no risk. So a smart procedural move just maintain that control and see see how he continue to develop. He was third on team in sacks had his best year today. He has versatility ran into five tech. But when you talked about flipping inside when they wanted some speed it worked out, and this was kind of the there were two moves that were just so easy. When we're talking about internal free agents who was tendering Trevor Williams, and then giving is Rochelle is qualifying offer that was just easy money. No risk potential high reward. They did both move so good on them. Then the last move which happened hours before we got on this podcast chargers announce they re signed wide receiver. Jeremy Davis to a one year deal. No specifics on that yet last year was seven hundred five thousand dollars. So it probably is going to be a low cost contract. Got stuck around showed up on special teams last year, some wide receiver depth with the departure of Taira Williams. They needed to add some wide receiver depth. So we're looking at a wide receiver. Three battle with Travis Benjamin, unfortunately, dealing Cantrell are tavis Scott. And now Jeremy Davis. Yes. So we'll see what happens with the wide receiver core. This is a move that kind of figured what happened the coaches have been raving about him for the last couple of seasons. He's a guy who really stepped up as one of their primary core special teams players in twenty eighteen especially down the stretch. She was very good on kick and punt coverage teams. So you figured they'd bring him back. You know, we've got people asking does that mean they're finally going to get rid of Travis Benjamin does that mean you're going to have a competition for the wide receiver three role. Fingers crossed. But I kinda doubt it I still think Benjamin sticks on the team. Unless one of these young guys really forces their hand. I think you're probably looking at Cantrell and Davis and Scott competing for the last two roster spots at wide receiver possibly up to three. But I doubt I doubt those guys really forced Benjamin off the off the roster. The only guy who really might is. Maybe our tavis Scott just because he's so good in the slot. And they can move them around. But I just I have a hard time seeing the chargers cutting Benjamin. Even though they should. And he's not worth the money. I think they're gonna want that veteran presence in the third wide receiver spot behind Keenan and Mike Williams. Yeah. I think so too. So the last move is not a player, but is the GM Thom Tillis go. They extended Tom to let's go a multi year deal. No specifics on that. But his contract was up at the end of this year. So they just took care of that early. Yeah. They have a way of sticking that through. Don't. They always every time. I would. Yeah. I was talking about that. It's like what are they doing just announced that you resigned, Tom Plasco? The team is good now. It's okay. You don't have to hide it this time. It's not like maybe last time. It's not like you're extending him when he won't fire might. Yeah. They're actually winning now. And they've got a coach in place in the roster's getting better. So I mean, he's yeah. He's earned it. There's no reason to hide it. But they just for whatever reason it's like cloak and dagger with them when they extent when they extend I don't know why. But yeah, he's had a couple of good drafts. That are row. He's doing a better job of finding value value guys in free agency as opposed to throw in big dollars guys that don't produce. So I think I think he's earned. It is one of the best GM's league. I'm still not there yet. But I think he's climbing the ladder. And he's definitely he definitely earned an extension based on the season. They had last year. Yeah. I mean, he's done more good than bad team. Looks like it's turned around. He's made. Some real slick moves on some guys and free agency that are still there. Now can't say enough about the way he builds up contracts. I think you know, now that it is renewed we got to see some kind of next step from Thom Tillis go because how long will this coupon? God Tom to Lesko get the job done. It's resulted in a wildcard win to wildcard wins now understand year. So when does when do we see jump from wildcard team to actual Super Bowl contender win kin? Thom Tillis, go turn the team around and he's got a multi-year deal. So he's got a couple of years to do it. Yeah. I think there's still a couple of areas where you know, his evaluation of players kind of fall short with the big one being the offensive line. You know, that was one of his primary focuses when they brought him in initially was they were going to improve the offensive line. And I mean, it's I guess it's better than it was when he got here, but that's not saying the whole lot. So he's had a lot of busted picks in the first three or four rounds with Lyman said a couple of really bad free. Signings. He really needs to start figuring out how to get this offense of line fixed and us to figure it out now, especially with rivers getting older he needs that protection. And I absolutely hate the way he addresses defensive line, especially in the terrier and free safety. I will go on that is awful. And we're still thinking continue because now were in these what are we is it the third week of free agency second week of free agency where we got second second week of free agency. And I'm not entirely sure where the direction is overall because we saw a stack safety classes defensive line class that was really good too. And instead of betting on some mid tier free agents because nobody's talking about them getting Maliki Jackson or going out. And getting Earl Thomas or Landon Collins. We were never in that camp. We've never been in that camp. But instead of betting on some of these lower mid tier free agents, they elected do same thing they've done, you know, but. Worse. They had they brought back Brandon me bane on the defensive line left areas. Falen and Damion square out there. We'll see how that goes and it can change. But like I mentioned earlier there's only three defensive linemen interior defensive lineman on the roster right now. And that is not good at all. And not getting a safety, frankly sucks because nobody's left. You know, nobody wanted these big guys they were never in the cards, but this class was so stack it had so many so much depth that feels like such a missed opportunity to not grab a free safety, especially when you look at the contracts that tastes Gibson ended up getting an I know I sound obsessed because I was talking about Gibson, but he ended up being a steal. But I mean, even how Clinton Dix I know he took a quote unquote hometown discount, but it was three point five million dollars. Are you telling me this was a guy that was rumored to be in the nine million dollar range? You could meet him somewhere in the middle and coax him away from Chicago. At bet you take a multi year deal for twice the amount of money. He took I mean. It just seemed like, you know, in hindsight, I'm glad twice go didn't compete with the market early on because a lot of those mid tier free agent. Specially offensive line got way too much money. In fact, I suggested John James he was my fifth free agent. But I am not paying that man. Twelve million dollars a year. Like, the Denver Broncos. Did that's nutty? So I'm glad he didn't do that. I like some of the moves he did kind of. But there isn't nothing's really move the needle. And I don't know if the team has gotten better, maybe at the linebacker spot. But what is different from two thousand eighteen is my question now. Yeah there deeper at the linebacker spot. I guess it remains to be seen if they're better. They're they're definitely not better on the offense of line Rysley. They're not better on the defensive line. Obviously. Correct me if I'm wrong, I think tree Boston still out there. Right. The ki signed yet. Now, he's a guy. I would I would keep an eye on. I just feel like there's a natural fit there. And I know things didn't while last off season. But he still sitting out there for the second offseason in a row everybody else aside, and he's sitting out there seems like there might be an opportunity there is the dust to settle on free agency. But. You know, the money that tyrod Matthew got is crazy. You're looking at the money that Landon Collins got that was insane. I mean, they went from the scene like the NFL went from trying to depress safety contracts last two off seasons to just blowing them out of the water off season. Crazy. I I don't get it. And then you look at the you look at the deal that Earl Thomas dot after being hurt most of the year last year, just insane. So obviously they were going to spend at the top of the class. But. It's hard to tell what the plan is other than obviously, they don't like this linebacker class. That's pretty clear to me seems like they basically just said, maybe we'll get somebody day three that we can throw in there for depth the camp body, see if he sticks, but we're not spending, you know, huge draft capital on linebacker classless. Just creates depth letter young guys develop and see what happens. I think they're probably setting themselves up to take an offensive tackle in the first round. We've talked about that on the last show. We haven't covered the offensive lineman yet, but I feel like with John James signing with Trent Brown signing. Way too much these guys kid weights with the contracts guys are getting I think tackles are starting to slide down the board and the draft. So I think there's going to be an opportunity to get a guy who might have been a mid first round pick a couple of weeks ago to have them fall the twenty eight. So it seems like they're kind of managing that pretty well, and they'll probably wind up with enough tackle in the first round. But I mean, they might have to take to tackles on both sides of line and this year's class just to be in good shape for the next couple of years because you mentioned at TY McGill. Brandon me Bain Justin Jones, Justin Jones, that's not a very very exciting defensive line group, especially for a team that prides itself on penetrating and being disruptive that group is doesn't do much of either. So it's a little concerning. So you gotta figure they're probably looking at the defensive tackle class in thinking. There's value there in the second third rounds? But in that, I mean, they've got a lot of work to do for teen and said that they were focused on improving the running game the run defense. I mean, I'm not sure you can say that they've really done that yet. And we're like you said two weeks into into free agency. So. They better they better get on the horse and start filling some more holes, maybe create some more cap space. Travis benjamin. You got a cold? You're coming. Throat. Yeah. But they need to fill a couple more holes before they go into the draft. And I'm sure we'll probably see a couple of coupons signings. Once the dust settles after the draft, it seems like they'll probably find the couple bargain, guys. But difference makers guys at move the needle. They don't have yet. No the plant is definitely suspect right now. And I don't think you can grade the direction till after the draft and we'll see after that's all over. But when you go into free agency with your biggest weaknesses being free safety, obviously defensive tackle offense of tackle. And you could say linebacker. I guess you could argue that they got better at linebacker though. All they did is they had the same exact guys, but added Thomas Davis brought back Perryman and expecting a different result. This time that kind of prove it type of bet on yourself deal. They gave the Perryman and then defensive tackle they lost Filon and square, so far seemingly we don't know. But and just went back with me. So I would say they're worse at officer tackle, they did nothing. So the same free safety. They did nothing. So the same. So in your four biggest weaknesses, you have an upgraded your team at all. And you know, maybe your best signing if Thomas Davis is your best signing if tyrod Taylor is next up a guy who's not going to get many snaps and not gonna affect your team at all. I don't I don't think you've done very well and free agency. I would agree with that. I mean, people are excited about tyrod. I guess it's good that they have a good backup. But he's probably not gonna see the field of a lot. You're gonna have to kill Phil to take them off the field. Oh, yeah. So. The idea that they might play him in on fourth downs or in the red zone. I guess it's possible. But how are you going to sell fill up on taking him off the field and reducing his numbers and taking the ball out of his hands on fourth down in the red zone to get tyrod on the field. I mean that's going to be a tough sell for guy who never comes off field. So to have a guy like that your second best signing. It's a little problematic two weeks. And what about our cohort over bolts from blue Matthew Stanley suggesting hey, you know, if he is that fourth down quarterback on sneaks. We won't have to watch Philip rivers go out there and do that fake that nobody's buying on that fourth down again. I mean, it's possible. I love that idea. I love it. Do we think Len and wasn't hundred going to do that? They don't seem like they're all that interested in going for it on fourth down. And again, you can have to dry Philip off the field and pry the ball out of his cold dead hands. So I don't know how that works. I don't know either. But they also handed the ball off to Melvin Ingram at the goal line last year. So who knows who actually knows? So let's let's go ahead and get in this linebacker class. I don't wanna do it. And I know you don't either. But we kind of have to. So let's go ahead and go over these linebackers. We've got five we'll give a sleeper. We'll give our top five. And then we'll talk about direction into the draft we discussed it a little bit. But we'll get more into it. So let's go ahead and start and the first one on this list is Devon white LSU. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from Espy nation. And I wanna tell you about my new show. It seems mart. It's smart as a show about people doing things that for some reason or another seem smart at the time. 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Every week starting in March on the apple podcast app or wherever you get your podcasts. So white is guy who plays. Everybody's fastest forty speed. He is just lightning fast and explosive coming downhill very physical aggressive tackler enforcer in the running game. He's strong enough to stack and shed at the second level white has he's a powerful wrap up tackler elite speed both coming downhill and flowing side sideline sideline. With white. Looks to me. Even though he wasn't in coverage. A lot the reps that I saw looks like he can turn and run with tight ends running backs looks pretty comfortable in zone and man coverage and looks like he possesses the length to match up with tight ends in the slot. And he's just a nightmares Blitzer. When he starts coming through those AIG apps. He is just a terror and he's looking to kill the quarterback on the negative side. I think he guesses a lot and the running game. He's he was recruited as a running back and he's relatively new to play linebacker, and it looks to me like, he's guessing. He he will over pursue the mesh point on on on RPO. He'll follow Wyman. Pulling Lyman leave cutback lanes. He'll try to run around blockers at times and leave big cutback lanes. Just a lot of guessing a lot of missteps I think he's his pursuit angles can be a little over aggressive at times, and he has a little bit of trouble with sudden change direction, which can lead to miss tackles. I think white will occasionally target ball carriers too high, and he'll forfeit leverage and basically turned himself into an arm tackler by trying to tackle guys up around the chest and neck instead of kind of driving through their midsection. I think white lacks feel for second level walkers and lacks bend and flexibility. For me. I think white is a guy who is likely going to as three down Mike or middle linebacker at the next level. But he might be best suited for a will roll where he can just kind of flow sidelight a sideline pursue the ball and be less concerned with taking on blockers. I think most of his shortcomings are experience based a lack of ability or acumen. And I think he's a guy who is probably going to grow and be a very productive star type player at the next level with film study and proper NFL coaching. So what's your grid? I have a ninety one grade on him. All right. So Devon white has unbelievable. Play speed on the field. He can cover anywhere between the boundaries close better than any linebacker in this class. He is stupid strong and take on a shed blockers moving downhill while shooting in the backfield run game white is also a dangerous Blitzer. He can get to the QB from his off the ball or get their off the edge. He's got the idea linebacker frame. With the agility of a db when he's not as normal aggressive self can get caught with his is in the backfield. He could also use some working zone coverage. He's much better, man. But diagnosing can be a tick too slow and coverage while zone, all a devil white shortcomings. Like, you mentioned with his mental processing, I think are all fixable things. He can learn with experience. I think once he gets comfortable the NFL he'll be a star. Devon, white is all tr- aggressive linebacker that is true tone setter when he hits the field. He's an athlete who can cover getting the backfield. Get after the quarterback. I've got a first grade to two points higher. He has a ninety three from me. All right. So the next one on this list, the other Devon and Devin Bush from Michigan and to say, Devon, bushes and athlete would be an understatement. He scored in the ninety seven th percentile in his athletic composite score. This kid can run cover. He is fluid from silent silent. He's also a missile in the run game watching Bush shoot again is a thing of beauty Bush's mental processing very impressive rarely cut out. A position and plays with a seek and destroy type of mentality. He's also a big time threat is Blitzer like white. I felt Bush was also peaking the backfield. But too often it showed up against state, especially when he got beat twice game on wheel routes his size is a concern for some because he's five eleven to thirty four. Because of that some teams would probably want him to play will the reason I'm not really concerned with his size because how physical he is. He brings the contact every time he can get his hands on a ball carrier with that said his aggressiveness gets them in trouble a lot and he's prone to miss tackles. But Devin Bush's football player with high football IQ on the field crazy athletic very physical. He can play all three linebacker spots. My opinion, he'll need to clean up the tackling, of course. But he's going to be an asset in the middle of the field for some teams defense. He's also got a first round grade for me. He's got a ninety one. I agree with most everything he said, I think white is explosive in twitchy as an athlete he has a relentless motor in pursuit. And. Never gives up on a play whites affective flowing sideline sideline. Incoming downhill. He has a really good field for second level blockers. And he's able to beat them to their spots and avoid sticking to them white has really strong hands to keep to keep himself clean and traffic. He's more disciplined with his reads Devon white as he's very good in zone coverage. I think he's a good tackler. And he's a very effective Blitzer with good band off the edge. He basically folds in half coming around the edge. Very loose hips. Very flexible, not I think there's not a whole lot to not like about him, you're picking, but I think he will over pursue pulling lineman at times, he'll Bennett, I think he needs to get a little stronger. He's a little bit on the small side. There are times when you can get big boy versus tight ends in one on one match ups in coverage, and he'll lose sight of seem routes while watching quarterbacks every once in a while. You'll see a quarterback climb the pocket and he'll take a false step forward to. To mir. What the quarterback is doing and he'll let us man sneak stick behind him. I think because of the speed Neth lettuces them and the Rangers playmaker. I think he is a will. I think he could probably play Mike if you needed him to. But I think you really want him in that will spot where he can flow sideline to sideline. Chase the ball and make plays. I think he's probably going to be a Pro Bowl the position he has the instincts and explosiveness to be terror as silent sideline playmaker in the middle of the in the middle of a defense. And I think he can play in the three four or the four three very scheme versatile. He is my highest graded linebacker. I have ninety two on him. It was real close with him in white. Basically splitting hairs between the two of them. Yeah. I've got separated by two points one point. So let's go ahead and move onto the third guy on this list and the Alabama linebacker MAC Wilson. Wilson takes patient disciplined rows to the ball carriers. He rarely misses. A tackle does a very good job of locating the ball sifting through traffic and making tackles he's strong enough to stack shed walkers would Wilson has good feel for second level walkers generally season coming and commanders them pretty well Wilson has very good closing speed he flashes. The ability to carry tight ends and running backs and some slot receivers. In man coverage. He easily has the best ball skills of any linebacker in the class was six picks and seven pass breakups in two years as a starter. I think some of the things that Wilson struggles with I can't I'm not sure if they're correctable or if you just doesn't process that well, but he's overly cerebral. And what I mean by that is you can see him thinking on the field quite a bit. It seems like he's just slow to diagnose what's happening slow to react and it often results in him catching tackles. Three four five yards downfield instead of coming down hill and making making a player to Leonard scrimmage Wilson is still learning when to slip lockers, and when to engage he'll he will frequently try to run around walkers and leave cut cutback lanes for running backs. Wilson doesn't play as fast as Bush in white nowhere near as fast as Bush white and the production doesn't really match. What is it? Pretty good physical skill set in my opinion. I think he's more of a tackler than a playmaker doesn't really play downhill and doesn't make enough tackles for loss. I think he's really unsure of himself as a Blitzer. You can kind of see him trying to feel his way through gaps and kind of hunt for for ways to get to the quarterback. He's just never really cuts it loose. And let's go, and I think Wilson is over will be a time these overaggressive and he'll jump routes to early leaving him born to getting beat deep. I haven't eighty two on Wilson. I think he's got the physical skill set to be three down, Mike. But I'm a little concerned about the mental side. It's not a. It's not a lack of experience issue. Like it is with Devon white with him. It just doesn't seem like he's sure of himself or really gets what's going on in front of him. He's a lot of development in terms of reading his keys diagnosing plays and really triggering coming downhill because right now, he's just you see in flat-footed kind of stuck in the mud waiting for guys to come to him a lot like what? Donald Butler used to do for the charters not that he's Donald Butler, but just a similar kind of reaction time at times. Yeah. We're actually really really close on him. And I felt the same thing. He felt kind of like to me the way I was kind of thinking about it as he kind of felt like a machine like everything was scripted. He knew where he was supposed to go. But when things kind of went a little bit different. He didn't exactly know what to do when it went off script. You know? He's just always like, okay. I know and need to be two point eight to point B I to cover this guy or that guy. But whenever anything went a little bit at a balance. He just wasn't able to really he. Yeah, he couldn't really improvise as well as these Devon's. So in coverage he looked pretty good has some pretty good ball skills. Physical tackler also not afraid to take on blocks. He showed some very poor tackling angles. He's a player who who really goes for broke. He will knife in the backfield trying to read running back, but chooses the wrong gap, leave his lane open. But and that's because he just loves the gamble is the same with his tackling. He's aggressive one. Hundred percent of the time. Sometimes it pays off other times. It just does not Wilson showed a lot of ups and downs and games. But also didn't make that weep in eighteen then I was really hoping for he does everything asked for him in the run game and coverage he lacks, the consistency. In my opinion, the Devon's both Devon white and Evan Bush. He shows shades of a playmaker that might need a year or two to step in as a starting contributor. But has a projection to be a pretty good inside linebacker. I have an eighty four from him. So in other, you know, low to mid second round pick for me. The next guy's guy. I'd like to skip. But we're gonna have to do him any way it is votes on Joseph at a Florida. A lot of guys are high on him. Sorry. No good. Okay. Well, I guess you echo my sentiments because I'm not high on him. Pretty good athlete has good straight-line speed. At least he's a good Blitzer. He's also at his best when he's asked to attack a gap. He's much better too second level than tech in line of scrimmage because when he's taken on blocks, he gets swallowed up office of linemen Joseph mental processing is sub par is caught with his feet. Stationary too, far often, this is your linebacker who collects that. He's got ninety three tackles nine tackles for loss five pass defenses past season. But he makes tackles not plays like our slogan here on the podcast. He has a role as a will if they can develop into one he can't take on boxes of Mike and would be an even worse fit as a strong side linebacker right near line of scrimmage. He's a day three guy for me, man. He's a guy you bet on that. You hope he can build on with the lettuce zm. He's got a sixty seven which is a high fourth-round grade for Sean Joseph. Yeah. I'll just go with your evaluation. We're pretty much right on line there. You got them with a with a fourth round grade. I have a sixty six. Yeah. Oh, my. That down like me. He sucks. Okay. Let's move on. Giles? I mean, you mentioned most you mentioned pretty much everything. He's a good athlete flow sideline sideline. Well, good closing speed because good straight line speed. He's a decent tackler. He shows a pretty good knack for finding creases and Blitzer looks really good bending off the edge, and he can be effective in short zones in man coverage because he's a good athlete. On the negative side. And there's a lot he is the least instinctive linebacker in this class. He basically has no idea what he's seeing doing out there. Just running around circles lots of false steps. Lots of indecision, lots of guessing, and it's all bad of doesn't trust. With seeing leads to a lot of Layton inconsistent reads very shallow pursuit angles allow ball carriers to beat him to the edge despite his speed very slow segmented intermediate and deep zone drops at times. It looks like he's walking and his backpedal just like completely disengaged. And unsure of what he's doing very easily fooled by misdirection, if a lion turns his head and sneezes he'll move not direction. He's terrible. Poor fuel for second level blockers way to or on running around walkers lacks functional strength like I said, he sucks I have a sixty six on them. Mid fourth round grade, which feels really generous after reading my analysis. I think he's probably going to have to start as a special teamer, maybe a potential dime. Linebacker because of his athleticism and coverage. Has the lettuces in the range to be three down will. But he's to add bulk, and he's gotta get a heck of a lot smarter. And just continue to refine the mental side of his game. All right. Let's finish up this class. It's the last one before sleeper. Jo Giles hairs from Duke. I like Joe Giles Harris. Joe Giles Harris is a guy who in my opinion is just the the Pitta me of downhill thumper. He's at his best. He can come down hill between the hash marks. And attacks owns the line of scrimmage does. Nice job of using his hands. Strength and length. The word off blockers and make plays around the line of scrimmage. Giles Harris is sticky is sticky technically sound blocker who generally finishes when he squares someone up he understands route concepts. He's able to carry tight ends and running backs in man coverage he adjusts nicely developing routes in his own and he flashes. A solid field Blitzer. I think on the negative side. He's not a guy you want matched up with slot receivers on a regular basis, he becomes less effective as he has to wonder outside. The hash marks Giles Harris really struggles protecting himself from cut blocks at the second level. He will occasionally over pursue our peo- mesh point, creating cutback lanes. Runners Giles Harris is a his playmaking range is limited by hip tightness and small tackling radius. He and he has a hard time redirecting. If he gets takes a false step. Giles harasses a guy that might make some sense for the chargers in terms of depth. I have a seventy nine grade on him. So kind of an early third round pick maybe late second round pick. I think he is likely to start out as a two down Mike or middle linebacker, but I think is highest and best use might actually be as Sam because he handles blockers, really wealth. Linus scrimmage sets the edge. Really, well, and he's also proficient enough and coverage not to be completely ability versus certain matchups. He's a guy that I like, I wouldn't mind seeing them tried to shot him in the third round as depth at that Sam position. So yes, seventy nine for Joel Harris. Yeah. He's really productive at Duke but had a season cut short in two thousand eighteen because of the MC L sprain. He's got very good instincts can sniff it out quickly and make a play Giles hairs is very physical looking to clear path for the guys around him. This is also one of the few linebackers I wash that does not have trouble tackling, his a patient sticky. As tackler he struggles a man, but when asked to drop back zone he's much better manning in area versus running with a backer tight end. He lacks speed. And fortunately for him, mental processing is so high it covers out for the lack of foot speed, Joe Johns, Harris could be a Sam could be Mike at the next level. We can win near the line of scrimmage uses instincts to help out the run game. He can pitch in and Joan coverage. I've got a third round great on him a little bit lower. I got a seventy two. So that's about the range of the charters are drafting so wouldn't mind seeing him there depending on where the holes are after free agency. So let's let's go ahead and just jump into our sleeper, and who who yours this was hard because there were a lot of really really bad linebackers. But I decided to go with Germaine Pratt as my sleeper. I have a seventy two great on Pratt. And this is not somebody who I think is a three down linebacker right out of the gate, but Pratt for those of you who aren't familiar with them? He went to North Carolina State initially as a safety play two years as a safety her to shoulder and 2017 gained some weight came back as linebacker had one years starting linebacker and led the tackles per game. So highly productive guy, he's tough physical. He's at his best when he can come down hill versus the run he flashes. The ability to play through lineman at times motor runs, really hot and pursuit. I think he flashes. Some coverage ability probably better suited to be being in zone than man's schemes. But as a former safety, I think there's some coverage chops there that could be taken advantage of with some development the knock on him. Really? He's not a real fast guy, exits exhibits, hip tightness. Pratt. His instincts are still still developing based on only having one years starter. There are times when he'll stick to blockers more than you prefer. He lacks speed and lateral quickness to be the sideline to sideline option can look infused in coverage at times, and he's not someone you want matched up with running backs slot receivers at the next level. So I think he's kind of your diamond in the rough guy. I think there's something there. There's skill sets there to take advantage of, but it's gonna take some development, and he's probably going to have to cut his teeth on special teams, but I have a seventy two on Pratt. So a late third round grade. And I think he's probably gonna wind up getting picked more in the fourth or fifth round range as kind of a developmental prospect. But he's the guy that I like and a guy that I think can find a role particularly on the chargers if they're interested in finding. You know, some depth somebody who can maybe play a little will maybe play little Mike and and fill some kind of fill out some staffs for them. And look at that good. Call back to the beginning of the show from auto Silva who said that the charger are donor who said the chargers should be drafting Adderley and Pratt. So call back to the beginning shout at the does so yours Germain Pratt. My sleeper is Blake Cashman the linebacker for Minnesota Cashman has the knack for being around the football. And it's all derived from his high football accurate. He's got high play speed in his finisher. He's a technical wrap up tackler, Cashman's instincts and coverage are very good. Minnesota moved him around a lot because it moves like a bigger DB who can close quickly his no problem getting off blocks. And it's a good Blitzer from his spot. He tested. Well, the combine has an elite Rask or with great speed. And agility, according to Kent, Lee Platt who's a great follow on Twitter, by the way, if you don't follow. He's at math bomb. Does a lot of great grading system there with his? Scores Cashman isn't undersized. And the big knock is he's got a small wingspan and small hands. None of that seemed to limit his him in games. Blink Cashman is a flute athlete is excellent coverage and winds on instincts run game. He projects will in the NFL and one that could develop into a starter. I've got a seventy six on him, which is a mid high third round grade guy is probably going to be draft a little bit later than that. But but a guy like, yeah, I like I like Cashman too. I just wanted to be different. All right. Well, let's go top five. Let's go five to one who you got. So my top five five to one. I have Germain Pratt seventy-two Jo Giles Harris at number four with seventy nine MAC Wilson. At number three with an eighty two. Devon, white ninety one is my number two and Devin Bush is my number one. I'm sorry. Devon whites and ninety one Devon Bush is ninety two is my number one linebacker. All right. Joe Johns Harris's number five for me with the seventy two Blake Cashman, snuck into my top five with a seventy six four Mak Wilson is three with an eighty four Devon bushes. Number two for me at ninety one. And Devon white is number one for me with a ninety three guys that are seem to be interchangeable in two talented guys at the top of your draft board. And if you were talking a couple months ago about who the draft who the charter draft Devin Bush was a popular name no way, he's falling to twenty eight now, and we kinda talked about it. But after Devon Bush Devon white wants the Devon's are off the board. Charters gotta stay away from linebacker, and they most likely will in the first round. Now, I've seen some people projecting them and take Mak Wilson in the first round, really. That doesn't happen way. Man. I'm honestly, not even sure I'd want him in the second round. But definitely not in the first. No, no, not at all. And you know, we talked about with free agency. They added Thomas Davis. They got Adrian Phillips kinds of your wage tapes Brown resigned, Denzil Perryman. So, you know, I guess because it's not it's definitely not an immediate need in two thousand nineteen but you could see Brown who's an impending free agent. Twenty twenty Perryman could be cut in twenty twenty Thomas. Davis could be cut in twenty twenty. There is a need a free agent agent fills films free agent. There's a lot of holes there. So, you know, best case scenario Thomas Davis's revitalized with by that pass rush upfront. You know, some of these young players play good Perryman finding plays a full season his Brown returns to his rookie form, but you know. There's a chance that linebacker could be buttoned up for two years. If everything goes, right? But they meet it need, isn't there and the death at linebacker here. Just isn't good in the draft. And again, once you get past the Devon's there isn't much to write home about you know, by the time the chargers draft in the second round. It's almost like a third round pick. And is there anybody worth taking there at the end of two I like Blake Cashman. But I don't know if I'm willing to take him late third, maybe fourth maybe. But you're talking about kicking maybe day three. I think you're about right there somebody to fill laters death that you might be able to produce later on and get something from. But I think for the first two days the chargers have bought themselves some time at least in this draft to not look at linebacker in the first three rounds. Yeah. It'd be surprised if we see a linebacker probably in the first four rounds. I think you're probably looking at some combination of safety, offense, tackle and defensive tackle. I sure hope surrounds. I wouldn't be surprised if they book end tackle, both tackle spots to be honest with you. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think I think much like eighteen draft where they they got two linebackers. I don't see why they get they don't get to tackles in this draft class. They have to. Yeah. With the way they set themselves up with free agency. They probably have to. So all right guys that doesn't for us. Excellent podcasts almost an hour here. I am accuracy on Twitter. Jamie. Underscore around. Hey, we'll see you next time. Thanks, everybody. My name is Spencer hall by name is Jason Kurt. My name is Ryan nanny combined. We form the shutdown full. Keep telling you the forecast is technically college football podcast. But it's also a show about care disaster regional grocery stores. We love Tennessee Batman, homeowners associations bears in video games. Pittsburgh Batman, the hell of being trapped group, text unreliable legal advice. 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Zombies Facebook says hi from Michigan, Howdy, Michigan, and happy October one and all as it is Monday though, and as it is a Monday following a victory by the Dallas Cowboys. That means it is one special thing. It is victory. Polo Monday. That's right. If you are college fan, you should be wearing Dallas Cowboys polo and representing the victory and and what happened on Sunday against the Detroit Lions, Charles Edwards on YouTube, live says, loved the shirt. Workum I get when I got this one from the official Dallas Cowboys pro shop. I know we have a lot of people that listen to the show and watch the show that arm based in Texas. There are literal retail stores across the state of Texas that are literally Dallas Cowboys pro shops. They saw hundred percent, Dallas Cowboys merchandise pretty cool, OB, the Cowboys, the big win, twenty six, twenty four over the Detroit Lions, which is what we are here to talk about. If you do subscribe to the podcast feed, you heard me on Sunday from AT and t. stadium and all the audio that I collected from the locker room. The sounds of victory we had Zeke Elliott. Jerry Jones Jalen Smith Byron Jones, Jeff Suame among the people whose audio we put together for that special episode of Ojha lives to make sure you check that out. If you need that link, hit me up on Twitter or. Shoot me an Email, but Cobb is this big win and look there too, and to through the first quarter. Certainly you wish you three and one or four now obviously, but but the Cowboys looked good. They looked like they had signs of life. The offense moved. The offense had over four hundred total yards of offense. That's a rare thing for the Cowboys these days Dak Prescott had over two hundred yards passing. That was certainly very impressive. The MVP of the game without question was easy. Elliot who put together two hundred forty total yards from scrimmage, a new career high for him. Zeke at one hundred fifty two yards rushing and had the big time thirty four yard reception at the end of the game to put the Cowboys in field goal range for Brett Maher. In fact, I would say my I was going to say three, but my four MVP's the game. Who are your MVP's or your MVP's in general from the Cowboys win over the lions? I would say Zeke. I would say, DeMarcus, Lawrence, you know, I had a tweet at halftime. I tweeted at halftime. The lane Vander. She was the best player on the Cowboys at that point today op. Obviously that was at halftime, not after the entire game. So the people telling me that it was DeMarcus, Lawrence, Zeke Elliot. I know I understand, look at the time stamp, but I would say Zeke Elliott, DeMarcus, Lawrence lane Vander. She played fantastic in his first career start for the Dallas Cowboys in the same stadium where he was drafted a few months ago. And I would also say Brett Maher. That's right. New Dallas Cowboys kicker Brett Maher. I wrote about this for your read, log on the boys dot com. And this headline sounds a lot more intense than the point is meant to be. But Brett Maher is, is making the release of Dan Bailey. Kinda make sense I'm in. If we're being honest, Brett Maher is making the release of Dan Bailey kinda makes sense. Brent Maher missed his first ever career kick in Carolina, and I have championed the cause of Dan Bailey myself a lot, but the Dallas Cowboys look smart. You know on YouTube, live ninja says, I've got some chrome. I've been hating on LV since we drafted him glad he's proving me wrong. The yesterday. Sunday was a big time day for the couch to prove a lot of people wrong. They approved a lot of people wrong about late Vander. She was fantastic. A lot of people did not believe in him and they proved, I don't wanna say a lot of people wrong, but they kind of answered their own call with Brett Maher because the Dallas Cowboys released the second most accurate kicker in NFL history. Dan, Bailey kicked really well for the Minnesota Vikings on Thursday night, even though they lost and Brent Maher really had never been tested. I think it's the best way to put it. But Brad, Mars missing his first career kick has kicked eight consecutive field goal successfully, including the game winner against the Detroit Lions. In fact, we're gonna play video for you. I've never seen one of these apply to the Cowboys. I've only seen these other things. I'm a big fan of the Titanic videos when they throw my heart will go on on big time moments in sports. We've never gotten to see this for anything I was related. It's always a game. Winner are something we really haven't had that happen. Yeah, but enjoy Brett Maher kicking to victory the Dallas Cowboys with some help from Celine Dion. Surly impressive for the Dallas Cowboys. It's a big win again to and to the date in Houston on Sunday. The last time the Dallas Cowboys trying to get the Houston. It was Super Bowl, fifty one way back in two thousand sixteen everybody thought they were gonna end up there. They wouldn't have had left the state because they had home field advantage through the playoffs. Obviously didn't end up there. That was the greatest Super Bowl of all time. But Brett Maher really seriously fantastic effort, four field goals for him, and you know what? It should have been three, the Dallas Cowboys. This is something that Tony Casillas and I talked about on the latest episode of the seven, five, the Dallas Cowboys took their first possession of the third quarter. The second half they marched down the field eight and a half minutes dominated took up most of the quarter and came up shy had first goal. The six yard line came up show. In a situation where they really needed a touch on that. I said, the second half the fourth quarter in this gracious tripping. Over my words, it's been a long twenty four hours, but the Cowboys you know, possession I'm talking about where they ran into Zeke on first down through Jeff's Weymont second down and then tried to throw it all people to Rico, gathers on third down, had the settle for a field goal to put them up by six and very quickly in six plays the Detroit Lions went down the field scored a touchdown and took the lead by one. Thankfully, cow was able to respond with this Brett Maher field goal to win the game, but you can find some points in this contest against the lines, the Cowboys kind of Florida with Indra little bit there. Sali that moment. Obviously the moment on the final possession of the game or Dak Prescott fumbled the ball. Jerry Jones would go on to praise him after the game and really commend act Prescott for his ability to get back on the ball. You know it is worth noting certainly the decade fumble, but it was. It was kind of give and take game. It was a lot of good in some weird and not really some bad, but it is. It is a good game. To get a good win against the Detroit Lions calves, you're stacking up. Some wins then going to play an AFC team for the first time this season. So hopefully they move above five hundred. Let's move on ourselves. Let's talk about somebody who didn't play Terrance Williams. Terrance Williams was a healthy scratch in this game for the Dallas Cowboys. One of the inactive and not really a bit of surprise. Lots of reports early on in that we're gonna Terrence wasn't going to play instead. Bryce baller got those snaps and by those snaps, I'm being very, very, very sarcastic. Brice Butler despite rejoining the Dallas Cowboys very recently not being used a whole lot early on, especially in his first game back with the team, but. So that was interesting, and you can hear this on the July post-game audio in your podcast feed Colby's Lii one asked about Williams. Kobe's Lee said that he thinks that it has a lot to do with Terence's foot. Now you'll remember that Terrance Williams hurt his foot over the offseason had to go through a whole bunch of stuff with it. And even back in August said that he still was working through some things, but Kobe's they talked about how his foot his talking about Terrence, what never fully healed that he thinks the Cowboys you of just let and Terence have some time to get that going. I don't know. There's been a lot of speculation, the chance going to be suspended, but it was very interesting to see Bryce baller really not much work in Williams's absence, but speaking out suspensions and I'm not talking about bad news. Nobody forgot speaking of suspensions. It's Monday. It's Tober I, it's victory Paulo Monday, but since it's Tober I in two thousand eighteen. That means that it is a fishery week five in the NFL season. That's a very good thing because that means that. David Irving, Dallas Cowboys defensive tackle David Irving can return. David Irving, you'll remember has been suspended for the first four weeks of the regular season. I four games I should say there are situations where players are stunt eligible to return. You look at Thomas Davis and the girl and Panthers still can't come back because the Panthers have not played four games for example, but David Irving, his eligible to come back to the Dallas Cowboys you think about the hot boys are on fire, DeMarcus, Lawrence had three sacks against the Detroit. Lions has twenty sacks his last twenty games, and now he gets some help. He gets a friend of fellow hobby. David Irving rejoining the gauchos seemingly going to cause some havoc along that defensive line. You look at this David Irving's presence is much needed. David Irving is sorely needed by the Dallas Cowboys defensive AL's. I was only forced to turnovers so far this season that's tied for last in the NFL. And in fact, that's tied with the Kansas City Chiefs who played tonight that I football. So if the chiefs get a single turnover, that means the Dallas Cowboys are. Single handedly last place team in the NFL when it comes to turn overs generated on defense. But Malea Collins was also scratched for this game for the Dallas Cowboys. So David Irving can come back and be any semblance of anything for Dallas. That's going to be very huge for the hot boy front. When you consider what they've been able to do, what they have the potential to do and what we're going to need them to do across the final twelve games of the regular season. It's already quarter quarters already gone by. Can't believe that feels like the season just started yesterday and you think about David Ervine coming back. A lot of people thought that are all Thomas would be joining the Cowboys at some point this season, but that is all, but not going to happen at least in two thousand eighteen a few hours after the Dallas Cowboys recorded their second win of the season. Earl Thomas, unfortunately, going down in Arizona with an injury as described by Carol, a fractured leg are all Thomas on. His way out was was what's the word? I wanna use your Thomas on his way out when being caught. Off was colorful with what he motioned towards the Seattle Seahawks was direct, I will say, and I was going to say was animated, but that doesn't feel right. Earl, Thomas at the very least was poignant with what he said of powerful image from Thomas. He was carted off the field and Zona the same field that ended Kam chancellor, Seattle Seahawks, and ultimately NFL career and on the Earl Thomas front. Something very interesting. Very interesting report from NFL networks in Rappaport on up to the minute's today on network. Check out what Ian Rapoport had to say about Earl Thomas and the whole trade situation revolving around him, including the Dallas Cowboys, Seattle Seahawks and Kansas City Chiefs Seahawks from what I understand actually were moving toward trading. Earl, Thomas. This injury comes as bad news doctors for the for the Kansas City Chiefs as well. We've known for some time. The Cowboys were in the mix China trade for Earl Thomas. That essentially ended before the season Kennedy chiefs, though head. Not stop the pursuit, and here's how it went really going into Sunday from what I'm told the Seahawks who wanted to Tuesday wanna to second round picks actually lowered their price to one second round pick in the Kennedy chiefs. Then in the process of freeing up some money, creating salary, cap space to make room for Thomas's eight point five million dollar salary. This is something from what I understand that likely would have happened in Earl. Thomas would have been a member of the candidates. He just eating more time. Instead, he went out and broke his leg and now is going to end up on injured reserve as far as the other parts of this trade. The chiefs have a lot of really good players. They need to pay doesn't sound like an extension for Thomas would have been in the cards, but the lease the chiefs would have had a really good rental and the Seahawks would have gotten some pretty solid draft pick just quickly follow up on that, Ian, if this thing was getting that close, was there any consideration from the Seahawks to sit. Earl, Thomas make him inactive to avoid a situation like there right now. That is not my understanding. I don't wanna make it seem like it was something that was going to happen in matter of hours, it would have taken some time, but when two sides get close to a trade and sort of, no, it's going to happen. The chiefs could have created caps relatively quick. I had not heard any consideration of sitting Thomas of this probably would have been something that could have happened in a matter of days or week. So Earl, Thomas and the Seattle Seahawks. Wow, that is rough. A rough probable and two, probably a hall of fame career for all Thomas with the Seattle Seahawks. You know, that's going to be an image that really kind of sits. That's one of those images as just going to sit with sports forever. That image of Earl Thomas with some sign language for the Seattle Seahawks on YouTube, live ninja. I think with the question of the hour day, the year, the season for the Dallas Cowboys, do we think that URL is a cowboy next season? You know, you're free to answer that's really on Twitter, periscope, you to live in the blog of the boys, Facebook live feed. I do think this is interesting for few reasons in Rappaport reports that the Seattle Seahawks wanted to second round draft picks in exchange for Thomas little bit high of a price. But, hey, I mean, he's a hall of fame player. You know, you could make an argument, whatever, but the Kansas City Chiefs were not going to pay that and seemingly the Seattle Seahawks lower their price from two second round picks to just a single one second round draft pick. Which is the price that the Dallas Cowboys offered for Thomas and apparently the Seattle Seahawks the Kansas City Chiefs were getting ready to do. It who knows is he says it was gonna take some time, but it looked like that dance was going to happen. And so you think about that and why would it have taken so long when obviously the Dallas Cowboys offered that second round draft pick? Well, if you're the Seahawks obviously you would rather trade him away to an AFC team than an NFC team. And I think that two things are true here. I think that one is that all Thomas hurt his chances of being traded to the Cowboys specifically when he literally chase down the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, Jason Garrett on Christmas Eve last year. That was probably something I have to magin. I know if it happened to Cowboys fans that we would not have reacted well, but that was probably something that put a bitter taste in the hawks, front offices mouth, and it was probably not something that they wanted to sort of Akwa yes to that they wanted to bend to to send Earl to the place that he. He literally asked to be traded to over and over and over and over again. So that is certainly an interesting thing to note. The second is on whether or not Earl. Thomas is a cowboy next season. I think it's worth mentioning that Earl, Thomas did bow at the Cowboys last week when the Seahawks defeated them, and obviously are all said it was a bit of respects that if you know if you really wanted me, you should've came and got me, etc. I have to wonder. I mean, I'm just speculating at this point hypothesizing if you will, but maybe Earl Thomas feels like, you know what the Cowboys had a chance. They had a chance to come get me and maybe he feels that maybe the price of it all is is really not something that matters in his mind. Maybe all Thomas feels, you know what, if they really wanted me, they would have come and gotten me, they didn't do it. So that must mean that they didn't really want me. That's just one possibility. And so I don't think that it is this just automatic sort of close book situation that are all Thomas is going to be a member of the Cowboys. Next. Offseason. I think that all Thomas is going to sit back. He's going to be smart. He's going to think about all this obviously got a lot of teams are interested if City Chiefs are willing to trade for him, at least real willing to potentially finalize the trade form. But I'd say, you know on YouTube live, Joe. Yes, I'll give it a thirty five percent chance. I liked it. I'll copy Joey out. Give it a thirty, five percent chance. I know that dominance is not going to be on Seahawks next year, but I also know that there's a lot of time between now and then to change a lot of things. I'm a San Antonio Spurs fan. I live in San Antonio, so believe me, I know that things can change at the drop of a hat when it comes to players wanting to play for certain teams. So we'll see where Thomas is playing football in two thousand nineteen. But for now the Dallas Cowboys sit at two and two with a date with the Houston Texans coming up on Sunday night. Football got a lot of action in store for you this week. Lots podcast. Obviously, Joe live every day. We've got the seven, five hours, Tony Casillas in store for you. Bruce, the boys talk on the star coming up. It's. Going to be a great week as we get ready for an instate game against the Houston. Texans who got their first win of the season last week against the Indianapolis called so good times ahead. Hopefully the Cowboys find a way to get about five hundred for the first time in quite some time. Enjoy the rest of your Monday. We got Monday night football threat for you, blog dot com should be open. And if you hours, depending on when you're watching this, I'm gonna pick the chiefs chiefs chiefs. Get this done. I think Pat Mahomes there's something special but enjoyed enjoy your Tuesday morning and we'll reconvene on Tuesday, October second at three PM central time for another addition of Ocho lives. So we'll see human the animal friends as always go Cowboys. Mt set. Empty set.

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The Kist & Solak Show #28: Previewing Eagles O vs Panthers D, Bonus Outtake

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The Kist & Solak Show #28: Previewing Eagles O vs Panthers D, Bonus Outtake

"Michael kissed Benjamin so lack. It's the kissed and Solex show presented by SP nation and bleeding green nation. You are flying high on the kissed and Solex show. This is twenty eight brought to you by the fine folks at Espy nation and lean green Asian. I am your host, Michael kissed. You can follow me on Twitter at Michael kissed NFL as always joined by the best dog co host in the game Mr. eight year streak without a bad day. He is Benjamin Solex, follow him on Twitter at Benjamin Sollac. That's k. Ben, how're you doing? Brother man every day is good day to be alive. Might here. Do you wanna know why? Well, okay, so I really cool moment. We're just somebody who listens to the show regularly. Name is Jordan. Just hit me up on Twitter and was like, hey, man. Every time I'm not having a good day. I think to myself that every day to be alive and my day is better and I was like, isn't that crazy? How that works? He was like, Yep. So that made me feel warm, fuzzy and size of shadow to Jordan, shoutouts everybody having good days for the rest of time. Amen. Beautiful. I love that you bring that positivity to to the listeners somehow doesn't. Come to me, but it's whatever ban big roster move to be excited about. This is why it's a good day. Destiny vile is out cornerback Dexter. McDougal is in Ben tell all of us why. This is a move as big as bringing in labor on bell. We almost an emergency pod for it. That's a lie. Trayvon has stirred will get more snaps now. So Philadelphia for the past, two weeks has been going into active game days with six wide receivers active. And then pretty much two of them get major, special teams reps. One of them is Kamari. I think he also does specialty stuff and then the other three being Aggie alshon j. Matt pretty much comprised the majority of the offensive snaps. So that feels a little bit like poor roster location. The other one you could bring up would be talented, live in chance, MAC remaining on the fifty three men roster and anybody who knows g may never rain, knows the Bill. J does not want warm, Acura man roster. It is current cab value in may. A lot of sense I have. I feel better about the ten offense lineman simply because to me, you stockpile of women in today's day and age. You know, I'm I'm no fan of more MAG. But when you think you have an offensive lineman, who can give you a significant reps got all of onto him because they're so off you and far between quality players in the NFL, but the six offense of line, six receivers, excuse me up against three active defensive tackles is a bit of a question. There is, of course things to be said for Brandon, Graham, Michael Bennett playing on the interior. However, this will be the third week in a row that eagles go with three in. It'll probably be fled for Cox, were swimming. Hello de NADA is gonna be back on. Then Trayvon has roundout will be number three. Obviously, not. It goes down again, an older player who's been dealing with a calf injury, then you've got to active and that's that's a tricky spot to be in. So that's that's to me the big implication for of via being releases that this more playing time for Trayvon Hester of you'll still remain relatively thin at. A defensive tackle yet. We talked about Hester on all twenty two review when we liked what he brought brought. Some pressures brought some some run stops in his fifteen snaps. Oh, that's a good thing. Ben, I just saw your tweet about our. We were supposed to record it. Seven twenty. You open up Skype. So what threes at three miscall from me, I will tell the story Endor. Mike at six twenty PM central standard time. I said, Michael anyway, what time doing ten? What have to? Okay, six twenty central time. And I said, Mike, was on record this pod. My guy, he was like six, forty, five, seven. I said, actually, can we do eight twenty? And I did not say that I was like out and about doing things. But I thought the implication I said, like I need to a little later. Was that like that's when I disobeyed coming back home at seven, seventeen. I got a slack message from Mike. Let's go histories three minutes early. If we likely we're not even at like, we're not even pass the stage where you politely allow somebody to be slightly late. And again, as I've been trying to convince Mike for a while now we are to dude recording podcast. No one else's affected really by the scheduling of this, right? It's just choosing to do with thing at a time that we picked an hour ago, and so I eventually get back to my apartment. I opened up Skype at seven, twenty three. Three. I have three missed calls wanted seven eighteen one at seven, twenty one and one in seven, twenty two. When I have already told Mike that after he slapped me like, yeah, I'm walking back right now. Mike still comment Skype again, two times just to make sure he knew I knew how important it was that he got the ball rolling. I like how we did it open with this. We get a little bit of analysis and we're back. You asked wise or clock three minutes. Fast said while you're two minutes slow and I wanted to make that point by calling you at eight twenty two and not have you answer. So that was the reason for that. I said called me, Mike, you you big, big basketball fan. You huge Sixers fan. I'm a big fan of being on time and I'll think vessels will split huge Sixers fan. So are you the one who's really worried about washing the Sixers open against the Celtics note? That would be me, and I saw it a push late because I was getting groceries. So sounds like it sounds like it's your fault for number one. So I don't watch Markle folds. Thank you. And so the eagles have brought in back Jay fellow to the practice squad. I love that transition flawless. They also did corner slash safety Quinton Rollins formally with the Packers and safety Ebrahim Campbell. So along with the injuries, it doesn't look like they feel comfortable with trae Sullivan and de'andre hall as depth pieces right now Ben, do you have anything else on those guys or any thoughts on why they might be maybe bringing one of those guys in along with the signing of extra McDougal the John Jay helping embarrassing. At this point, it's embarrassing. They traded for a deadline to put him on the fifty, three man roster and he has done nothing despite the fact that everything that possibly could have happened to give it to give him space to perform. I still hasn't. He Soza made it even Campbell ought to me. Last athleticism when he came out of northwestern, I just don't vet show think he's a strong player and a Quin Rollins fan when he thought. He had ball skills in college man, but it just hasn't translated for him. He's he's bounced around, right? He's, he's. He's had multiple trials in multiple places from what I can remember. You know, if he's brought in at least he has a little bit of experience playing in the league and he's been in a couple of different systems in these. He's had start before, and so he's got that going for him. Got fifteen starts thirty three games. And Adrian Campbell was a was in east tons of any pictures, affiliate guy. So he's got the the home blood running four on vets. That's the best got there. I don't know. I mean, I would love to see them bring in Campbell. I would love to have another safety who actually plays safety on the roster, potentially taking snaps apparently from what the positional coaches were saying during media bail ability this week, everybody's just gung ho about this whole onto Maddox to safety thing, which, okay. Sure. I mean, they're practicing with him running the drills there with him day in and day out. So I'm not gonna say they know that I know anymore what they're talking about. I haven't really seen Maddix get tested the way I would like to him tested in a game Scituate. To feel good about him playing safety, but this is where we are. So it's where we are. Would you say that one of his biggest flaws is at the line with play, strengthen with some technique coming out who you talk Matic's. Yeah. Maddox Vegas issue coming out to me was body controlling aggressiveness. He's very quick, but he might into his own quickness into his own agility because he plays far too far into the first flash of color that he sees and then he's forced into a recovery position. Whereas your patient, he has the quickness to stick with guys over. That's very slot coverage oriented. I never watched his film through a lens of expecting him to play safety on to. I think the biggest issue for a guy playing safety as played a before, a simply. You have to be paying attention peripheral to so much more than when you're playing. Man coverage is a slot corner, or even when you're planning a curl hopes zone as a cover three underneath defender, you have so much more going on your field of vision. You have the process. And that's the thing is I haven't seen a team attack Maddix. With lot, forcing him to make decisions deep to do. So you have to be able to protect and not have the past. You can get to that debate, which is very tough. And that's the Jim Schwartz knows because when Sydney went down instead of sticking guy Ohana played slot before into the slot taken resulting outside just like pudding round Darby, Jalen mills on the sly, leaving Maddix there. He put Soules the deep safety to move Maddox up to the slot because the slack corn position is more important relative to how teens attacked people's defense than the free safety position. Very hard to get the down the deep middle against the defense usually been sacked by them. So eighths of protected position. I don't. You know, I just don't view Maddox as the safety. It's still not something I have around my my head Campbell make sense to me in that regard. But at the same time, if the coaching staff sold on the Maddox idea than they're gonna keep sticking with him and they're gonna feel like they have enough safeties to to go on love it Ben. Thank you for elaborating on that eight. Let's get to the topic of the show. Derail though in the beginning in the in the beginning by your lateness which threw everything off for me. I mean, that's just, you know, when I'm expecting someone to be there at eight twenty. So let's get nerdy for a second. Let's talk some stats benches rubbing his head right now. So we've got the three and three Philadelphia Eagles squaring off with the three and two Carolina Panthers today. Our preview one of two is going to be covering the Philadelphia Eagles offense against the Carolina Panthers defense. Tomorrow will flip around. We'll talk about the Panthers offense against the eagles defense. So let's start with some stat eagles come into the game. Converting third downs at forty, one percent ranks fifteenth and climbing Carolina does does well in this area ranking ninth. The eagles have also climbed to fifteen in red zone efficiency. Converting fifty six percent now, and this is where Carolina really struggles, which is great for us. Ben, they ranked thirty first in opposing red zone efficiency. They have allowed eighty two percent of their defensive. Red zone stands to falter and. Convert for touchdowns. That's real bad. You gotta figure. They've done a decent job from keeping teams away from those red zone situations though, because only allowing twenty two point eight points per game, which is tenth in the league. So Ben, one of the things that I also looked at today, I'm looking at explosive margin. So you're looking at plays that are twenty yards over how much you get on offense. Minus how much you give up on defense. It's about as predictive as turnover. So it's pretty important there right now, the Rams of the best in the league at plus nine, go figure the worst two teams in the league, the Carolina Panthers and the Philadelphia Eagles Ben, where have our big plays gone on offense. What can we do? It really is. I don't wanna say surprising that there's been a lack of explosive plays because when you consider the adjustments that have been made in the past two weeks, you kind of counter the fact that cars getting hit a lot of ball's coming out quicker. You can understand why those explosive plays are kind of of being lost in the shuffle. Now, I will say. Hey, we're talking about a gain versus allowed situation here. Right? Right. So because the eagles defense is allowing so many explosive plays, here's thing since Wednesday come back, they're still twenty fifth in explosive, plays created for that timeframe a well. Yeah, it scratched out the window is a guy. No, I still got my overarching idea, but I thought that was on. Okay, fine. Then I would say that simply what you're gonna have with when you look at the way the Philadelphia's passing attack is constructed. They feed the tight end. They love to feed Zakar scruffy intermediary of the field. They're willing to go deep and they run a healthy man of deep routes with Nelson Igor. Specifically, I've seen shelling Gibson get involved in shot play this season, but really they want to use deep routes to open up the intermediate areas of the field and in doing so you, you stay ahead of the sticks. It's what allows Philadelphia to convert. So readily on those like third and nine thirty five minutes because of how effectively they're able to use the middle of the field. That all comes able to stretch devious routes and have those threats. So it's not the Philadelphia can't go deep. It's that the view, a more sustainable model play as using deep routes, open up intermediaries of the field shorter throws is higher percentage ideas. You don't need to be incredible athletes to win down there. He knows Zakar. It's just basically out there sitting in holes between zones any cars able to late in their got a rocket arm, and he's quite precise cross the middle for field. So to me, it's not necessarily deficiency so much as it isn't offensive ideology away that they like to attack and we talked about it with the two opponents context is king with the Indianapolis Colts. They play that soft-shell zone in the Redskins came in with the wrong plan against them with vertical game plan, weren't able to do anything because the wrong game plan. So that's something that the angles appoint hired to do against the cult kind of the same thing against the titans. Well, so context is big there. They also blew out the giant, so they were really needing explosive, plays in the second half. So that can kinda money things too. So not the end of the world, just something appoint out, something that I want to track now looking at this Carolina defense, what we can do against them schematically you look at that front four and on the interior their stack in Cohen. Short, three hundred fifteen pounds with Dante reposed three hundred and forty, six pounds in the middle. Thrones Vernon Butler at three thirty loves at three ten. That's a lot of beef. So Ben, one of the things that you can do to neutralize that size advantage that the eagles or size disadvantage really for the eagles is run trap place, and I have an article about this on lingering nation dot com, but will get into it anyway because you're going to be beating them on those trap plays with angles and leverage not trying to go strength versus strength, and it's something that we did to them last year and it's something that the Redskins did to them successfully on Sunday on one of the first ones that I saw they added in jet motion to which was nice, nice little wrinkle to get those linebackers flowing the wrong way. They trap the three techs defensive tackle lined up outside of the guard that three tech there. A trap him Leuke cly bites on the jet, and he takes himself out of the formation center does need to go get him. So the second one that they ran Saint type concept with different window-dressing six yards late in the game. Second, fourth or up three from the Panthers twenty four key drive boom, ten yards when they gotta have it. They pulled out the trap and they got a key conversion in total for the Redskins five traps, thirty one yards highly effective for them. The other way you're going to be a stout front, four like that. And the Redskins did this to in the eagles do it. Well, pimple concepts get guys, the edge and wife zone. Make those big boys get down the line. And again, just beat them with angles leverage and Atlanticism the eagles to lash your week six. When their win over the Panthers with four trap, concepts were thirty seven yards expect to see it again and on top about the Redskins had success with those pimples. We've just like I talked about also some wives own with some backside RPO replaced land. So everything for me is lining up real well in the ground and short game. In my opinion, Ben aren't washing has new defensive coordinator and. Align St. will seal defensive coordinator head coach in Arizona, the defense corner before him. Sean McDermott, head coach, Buffalo Bills, Sean McDermott, obviously, a frontal the represent, though he's like Super Bowl in crazy Asano. Maybe not. I can relate, Eric, Washington does not come from that tree. He comes from a similar tree, but he was of Chicago Bears defense line coach for the past seven seasons before coming here to coordinate the defense specific are most recently, I should say under Vic Fangio off for the last couple of years. Obviously, Vic, fantastic events of coordinator. One thing that Washington is doing that Vick would do more so when he was in San Francisco, I don't think he does it as much though I may be wrong with that. Is that Eric Washington lobs to play those linebackers Leuke cly and Thomas Davis way off into the line? Yeah, right. And for a predominantly covers three defense when you play those linebacker so far up into the line, you're giving a lot. Of space into the just the center of the field that intermediate Zakar area that we were just talking about right now. In your ideal situation, you have a robber, a safety who's coming right down into that spot. He's kind of filling that cover three area running covers robber. That'd be ideal. But when teams go a heavy, you know, twelve, thirteen personnel. Mike, I don't know if you've heard the eagles run that a lot. Forty, four percent? Yeah. When you bring those formations in and unisex that they bring that extra safety down into the box and line them up a lot tighter into the line, you leave that void very, very heavy. So what is this? What does this translate to number one, those close of linebackers yet you can definitely PanAm pull those guys. You can definitely trap those guys. Your targets are much closer line of scrimmage of you. Give them. I candy and they step forward will linebackers four yards off the ball still thirds off ball. You can adjust. You can go get outside changes, angle a linebackers, like three yards off the balls now to yards off the boys got last roomed operate right game of inches. But when these linebackers are forward like that you're able to strike them well, and that's definitely what you saw from Washington is washing, was able to bring those linebackers vary tight into the line of scrimmage on them when they executed pimple there or or traps ideas. They're able to seal off those linebackers easily. They've had good angles for their offense lineman. Conversely, we do have struck by the opposite, which is that when you're trying to run inside zone. Up the gun on those guys. It can be very difficult because Keithly Thomas Davis shack Thompson coming, smash your head all three Norplant a quite high levels. Thomas Davis, obviously, older becoming off the suspensions. We little fresher thinks shack, Thomas panning out nicely. The little overhang guy on opposite Keith on monster is still playing incredibly high level. So these guys will get very aggressive coming downhill into zone flow. But when you can incorporate us document jet ideas, things to slow their attack than you can pull up inside. But also you can just take advantage of how hard they played down into the into the line. The second idea then immediately which was all eagles fans should shoot here. When we have aggressive linebackers close to line of scrimmage, usually go RPO game. You simply you're gonna you your RPO's put linebackers in places of conflict and already by alignment by being so far into line of scrimmage, Mike, they're already put into a dangerous spot because they're too close to the run, and they're too far away from those zone drops those quick three steps Lancer gonna hit those quick. Five yard ends are gonna. So on and so forth on. So I expect heavy RPO game the quick game as not necessarily not necessarily something to come out with on the opening script, but something to lean on if you get into a bind, if the Carolina defense is holding you down for the first couple wraps, I think that that quick game or something that can really open up the officer Philadelphia again, attacking that middle area of the field that linebackers are vacating because they're stepping so far forward. That's a good point too, because when you look at what this this offense does did against the giants? No, there was that sputtering the beginning after the first drive where they got the turnover and everything like that. And then what they did was after that Sparta, they brought things in. So they need a drive starter than those are appeals and things of that nature. Like you just talked about definitely are what you wanna go to to get your offense back in a rhythm and talking about these linebackers. 'cause 'cause they're awesome. One thing that you notice about lewke cly is just his processing speed and his diagnosis. Diagnosing is just next level and you watch on things like play action. He's taken that initial read step like doing zone. And then before. They're even completing the fake. You know, he's getting into his own undercutting deep routes, deep over routes, things that, but I mean, the first play against Redskins that you seize this wasn't the first play. It was actually one of the trap concepts. It was one of the I trap concepts that they ran and you see Luke Keithly pointing out to the guard. There's something going on here and he sniffs it out and the rebel to stop them for like a three yard gain on that one. That was like one of their successes against the trap play. He did on the next one when they're in that jet motion, he's pointing at the guard. He's seeing something he saw something on film. He sing it live, he's pointing it out and like he, it's hard to fool him in that regard back back in in in his Boston College tape, which kind of one thing that that a lot of that draft evaluators will like to do is you go back and you watch a tape of a leap players who back they were in college. You know, obviously he was the first round pick ended up being a defensive player of the year events rookie of the year. And so you go back and you see what stands out with Keith Boston. College tape, simply there's instincts there that you can't teach, and then it translates into Carolina said, you know, keep these watching enough film, but he's also played enough time at the NFL level who just know when that gourd is a half step back from where he should be alignment, which is something you can check in. You can see you can key it, which I'm sure he is. But it's right when he gets into a stance Nielsen line and goes man, that guy feels a little further away than usual, right. And this is just you don't teach that recognition ability, Keith animal. The other animal, the other just monstrosity on this Carolina defense that we have to talk about end is the player on the most worried about his Co. on short, for sure. Comb on shore is so good. All my God. He's built like a refrigerator. Okay, he's is as wide is tall. He's literally equilateral polygon. It's unbelievable how thick he is, and then his ability to be explosive with the first step. Quick off the snap enter the generates good. Hang on. You gets hand. Fit nicely. And then once he had leverage on you, you don't have the power to anger against Jayson, Kelsey, dozens, Isaac, Sam definitely does not. Brandon. Brooks will probably win a few lose a few ready. Jason. Kelsey is down twenty pounds on him. That's a big reason why wanna trap because blocking Cohen short straight up like that strike for strenght. That's that's a tough proposition. Man, you gotta you gotta do some things. It's it's silly to watch how effective he is in Carolina when they when they look to bring pressure. It's typically zone-blitz situation where they're not bringing more than five. Occasionally, rarely bring six late in the game when they needed one. They brought seven with Mike Adams, but that was very rare from what I saw from them on tape. You're right? Yeah, game is. I was against Washington believe it was third eight. If I'm not mistaken, they got that deflections with with Mike Adams. I, I haven't here somewhere, but starting start Saudi, third amongst let's let's I about third and longs because I think this is. Going to be a really interesting spot for Philadelphia, and you never want to gamble be like eagles are going to convert every third down in this game. But I think this is going to be a game of eagles can burn a lot of third downs. I'm gonna tell you why Carolina across pretty much every third and like six plus that I saw does one of two things. One. They want to be a middle of the field open team, which is irregular because they're cover three team and cover threes middle. The field close middle field open is basically saying there's no single high center fielding safety. It's not cover three or one. You're looking at cover two or quarters often because they want to pattern match when they are in third end decently long situations to pattern match. You kind of need to have split safety. So you have the numbers to accomplish the pattern match. So you're very often gonna see, split safety looks rushing four on third and long. Now they're gonna do that, or they're going to basically run a fire zone. They're gonna blitz. Five drop three deep, three hundred and it's pretty clear which one it's gonna be usually at the snap because. If it's gonna be a fire zone, they're gonna six guys peppering scrimmage. So the safeties in the corners have to be where they belong because they're kind of you're, you're putting confusion up in the front and if the split safety pattern match, look, you need to have your guys in place over the receivers so that they all know the reason who's getting the second who's gonna third zone. So it was pretty clear to see and as an offense, you can kind of choose a little bit. You can affect which one to get them. And if you go really tight split, you bring all your receivers, your linebacker, and your tight ends in. It's very difficult to pattern match out of that alignment, but it's really easy to run a fire zone because you have scrimmage anyway, and if you spread everybody out, well, it's very e- that's what you'd like to pattern matching the situation. You have three receives the side to the other side and you can choose, but then it'd be very clear where your blisters or potentially coming from, and it's harder to fake pressure to this side in bring pressure from that size, even kind of affect which one it is. Philadelphia loves to run four man route concepts where or even five men. Concept's where the pre snap read Defoe. LIPA when he was the office coordinator here loves to talk about this. The priest now re was a middle field open or middle field closed read, and with that means is that half of the route concept half of the play. Let's the frontside through c. reside is built to be middle of the field closed, right? Let's call it levels. They're trying to beat covered three running levels of playside. Three guys flooding the zone gorgeous. The backside is not built to be a middle field, closed defense Bill to be a middle of field open defense, right? The running smash cover to right as you got levels to the frontside smash the backside until the quarterback comes up at the snap, and all he has to do is read safety. And if he sees fueled close, he knows going frontside of Millfield opening knows on backside, right? Because that's, that's the pre snap read that idea is a very strong idea. It's very effective for young quarterbacks or something. You see in Shaw McVeigh's office on the UC heavily. Doug Peterson def- Lippo uses it now wounds adminis-. He's in Minnesota. That's something that I think you can really get with Carolina because their third-down coverages, they'll move their safeties around a lot pre snap, they they're a team that loves to bring linebackers Florida. Pull him back, bringing a corner in and pull them back. They love to like screw with you that way. But at the snap that safety gotta choose gonna go once chooses. You know where your reads are you need a little bit of time to pull this off. But that's that's an idea that I think Philadelphia can really cash on because the from what I can see. Carolina has two very clear coverages. They they work on on three Ben guessing game time. So zone coverage. How much would you guess it somewhere in between sixty and eighty percent? Let's see how closing get somewhere in between sixty and eighty percent. How much last year do you think the Panthers rant zone? Because I don't think it's changed much this year seventy three seventy three. And where do you think I rank? No, no, I'm not. We're having I rank. They rank in the league seven Windsor, eleventh. You strayed seventy two point five percent of the time they're in zone last year that burst in the league Ben farce. Yeah. Yeah. That's I in a league which the Los Angeles chargers and the Kansas City Chiefs assist. They were there. Yeah, they were right there by yes. Says I'm gonna give you the seventy three percent because I'm gonna round up, always round up with these things for articles and whatnot. So I'm gonna give you a win for that. I part get down. Seventy three seventy two point five, I underestimated how much other teams thing can plan play man coverage. So speaking of their coverage, one guy that I wanna talk about their rookie Dante Jackson. He can click Clack man. He's a twitched up fellow and he's a guy that we talked about a lot during the draft process because the eagles were looking at his size speed profile. We ended up going with vaunting Maddix was not placed playing safety, but Jackson, having a pretty decent season for rookie and they're asking him to play outside, which is interesting because he's undersized to put up mile. He's got teeny tiny arms still he's making it work. And according to PF only allowing a fifty four quarterback rating. Wind targeted opposite of him is James bradberry. He's more of your conventional build for an outside corner. We're gonna see a lot of him in l. Sean Jeffrey. I give alshon the nod in that anything else in the secondary because one area that I really wanna talk about for the eagles you know you was a ton of twelve and thirteen. We already talked about it, but the this. Thor's defense did have some communication issues early. It costs them on a twenty two yard touchdown on a slow, go seem from Vernon Davis. And before the play, you saw Keithly like frantically trying to communicate with his linebackers and safeties and they destroyed a busted. Now, whether that something that gets cleaned up quickly because they just brought an Eric, read the safety to replace her Coleman. So there's that aspect to it, who knows? But they better because you see a touch like touchdown like that too tight end near the red zone, and I'm looking at shops at that. There are plus matchups for tight end if we can get them on those safety is my opinion is or anything else intriguing to you or when elaborate on that? Wherever you wanna go with that. But yeah, so tight stacks and bunch alignments and these are of nasty ideas. Whenever whenever I say nasty, it's board member. Nasty is the call for when you're wide receivers inside the slot. Not being like, this is nasty. That's just that's terminology. I always feel like it sounds weird. Carolina has a bump calls and and banjo. Calls in coverage calls. For all of those end, you'll see them constantly make them in linebacker will be checking with the safety linebacker which the corner safety check in with the corner and they have to make that audible visibly right. So something that you can see as as route runners, knowing what those calls typically are knowing what what the audibles would be in certain situations allows you to build route concepts off of them. He was haven't using bunches. They've been using those tight stacks onto receivers. Typically what you'll see us if there's a tight end in that stack, then the linebacker life safety takes the tight end. And the corner just takes the wide receiver in straight man. And so because the eagles have such great move tight ends in earth's in Godhre you can really win with leverage. They're, you know, if you give your your tight ends option routes out of stacks, which is very, very west coast idea of if you wanna go for than you're at a point where they can win with initial leverage, simply by alignment. And then I think shack Thomas is good covers linebacker who can cause problems there, Thompson new. Weekly end Thomas Davis run their own right, shocking tops. Thank you. Lou Lou Keithly Thomas Davis or good backers in their own. Right. But they don't really, I don't think hold a candle to what God can do the open field. So if I'm looking to open my tight ends, I'm doing it out of those stacks because Carolina will work out of there. You know, like I said, tricky to pattern match against those those alignments. And as a result, you'll see them work. Those two man games those take. I n you take first out. I take I first off line. You take second off the line, whatever. And when you know those calls, you can design route concepts accordingly. Like Ben one last thing that I wanted to touch on before I kick it over to you something that I saw the Redskins do, and I'm starting to see this from other teams as well. We talk a lot about double bug blitzes on this show. So again, that's you know your your your line is why to get the two, three, Texan. You've got the two middle linebackers threatening the ak- MCI. So what these teams are doing in the Redskins did this with the running backs pass pro since if both those. Linebackers in the gap come, the center has won the running back, has the other sort of help the running back. They line him up between the center and the guard about a yard back. They'll sniffer. H. facs silliness. So that was the onus on the rest of the line to pick up this linking blitzes. They come. You're also getting that running back at a depth that's better take on those blitzes because there's less speed built up by linebacker, and the running back isn't moving to a spot so he can comparably anchor from where he is in. It's also easier for him and quicker for him to release into his check down if they don't come because there's typically less trash at that shallow depth. So that's a lot of different things though that are avid pages for the running back. So if you see that you see him double mugging. You see with the running back lined up in a weird position between that garden center about a yard behind them. That's what they're trying to accomplish with that Ben, as we move into this game ethic, we covered that part of it pretty well. Right now the over under is forty five and a half in the Philadelphia Eagles are favored by five. Do the math. What is that? What does that put the eagles at offensively? So it's like twenty five to twenty or. Twenty four and a half to nineteen and a half. Put it that twenty five. We'll put it at twenty five over under twenty five points for this for the eagles offense games in Philly. Yeah, folks are twenty five faith. I believe. I think that this offense is vibe ING. After the way they put her on the giants. They'd really like to make it to a row that little bit of extra added edge. Think this will be one of the first weeks where they don't have to deal with the loss of a offensive player to injury or a position which before, like the week before you know what I mean? They're not coming out with a new guy, like, honestly, I'm pretty sure right. Big time, big time. The first continental we've gotten all season. So I think that helps a lot. I will say they clear twenty five off the top of my head. I'm smashing the over. If they're listened to this show, we gave him some great ideas on how they can be successful on offense. If they don't, I'm gonna be supremely disappointed with the Philadelphia Eagles. I'm going over on the twenty five. I think they, I think they clear it comfortably. I'm comfortable with what we can do in the run game in the passing game as well. So tomorrow we are going to be covering and actually. Then that's your job Ben. Any last points? Are you wanna say goodbye to the gentle listeners? Let them know what we have on tap for him next. No. I mean, you can just go ahead and do whatever you want and say goodbye, whoever you want and you're running the show here. Thank you for listening to the kissing Solex show. I'm BGN radio. 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The Lightning Round Podcast #192: No Melvin Gordon, no problem

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The Lightning Round Podcast #192: No Melvin Gordon, no problem

"Want to know more about what your favorite Ninjas have on their minds check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any Ninja Warrior Fan too you are this is the lightning round podcasts with your host. Garrett's the N. Jamie Hoyle Charges Go. This is the lightning round podcast hereafter determines overtime win against the colts giving Anthony Lynn his very first win the season opener in fact the chargers won the first game of the season since two thousand five so a big win on Sunday. I am Garrett at Garissa St Jamie's at lightning underscore score round. We've got a donation to shout out then. We'll get right into our donation. This week is from Matt Slater from New York. He says he's a longtime listener first-time donor thanks for all the hard work. You guys deserve. A few craft beers go volts. Thank you very much Matt. We appreciate it and you're right. We deserve a few craft beers and a few more yeah. Thank you matt appreciate it so let's go ahead and just jump right into this thing because there's a lot to talk about here. We're going to touch on some important storylines. We've done it before. Jamie's gotTa do three. I'll do three and let's go ahead and talk about some important takeaways from charters first game so jamie woody at first so my first one is is. I think it's one of the bigger talking points from the game and that's the performance of the running backs Austin neckline Justin Jackson. They basically ran wild on the colts between them. They had twenty-five touches for two hundred fifteen yards and three touchdowns they averaged almost seven yard or excuse me almost nine yards per touch and almost six and a half yards per carry against a pretty good colts defense on Sunday so we saw a little bit of some of the things that we talked about during the season when we were discussing Melvin Gordon's hold out we talked about how they might use them how they go with the hot hand mix them in and out we probably see Austin outside aside and involved heavily in the passing Game Justin Jackson between the tackles. We saw all of that. I thought gusts called a masterful game. A great job of kind of sucking in the pass rush and calling the screens and getting big plays on the screens lots of chunk plays on screens and short intermediate passes to Austin and lots of surprisingly lots of big runs between the between the tackles we saw actor had two good size runs runs on the final drive in overtime. Jackson had two long runs. I believe off the right side of the line both coming between the tackles so those guys ran extremely well. I I think it's something they can build on. I think my only real complaint would be that. I would like to see them. Get more carries in the like mid third quarter early fourth quarter when it was pretty obvious that both defenses retired but the chargers defense was gassed and the chargers are going heavy past and it seemed like they were just putting their lineman in a really bad a position. I would have liked to see six to eight more carries in in the middle part of that second half to wear down the defense and buy some extra time on the bench from the chargers for the chargers defense but aside from that very well call game. Both backs were used masterful by with and it's something that like I said I think they can build on go at the hot hand and really exploit both of their their strengths and get one complete back out of two of them. Yeah we saw off the neck lawyer and of course that's something going to touch on and how could we not you know first game without Melvin Gordon and of course. It looked pretty good with Jackson. Equa play forty eight snaps Jackson played sixteen ecksteen was basically claimed three fourths of the snap he plays seventy five percent of the offensive snaps Jackson play twenty five percent so a pretty good split let but you'd like to see a little bit more from Jackson but the road the hot hand and you can't complain about that because Austin was on fire absolutely Equa of course had the rushing touchdown to win it. He had two receiving touchdowns. He averaged four point eight yards on the ground. Justin Jackson nine point five per carry on six carries on Sunday. He ran real hard hitting the whole quickly. Derek Watt even his two carries on third and short and he got the first down each time so very effective through all three of them. If you want to call Derek Watt a back but here he you got the first downs on both carry so very effective there while the past balking had its issues just add on. I thought the run blocking was very good on Sunday and they row there hot right hand and they got those real tough yards in that game and guys at struggled ended up doing pretty good. Sam Heavy broke off a big run on a Fini pin demand to to help them for that touchdown overtime. I thought the run blocking was very good. Pass Buckingham a whole nother issue as something we might need to get into but I agree with you. I I think big props that can whisenhunt Anthony Lynn. The implementation of these backs was picture perfect. That got him space. Let her win with the ball in his hands. you know last year. There was a lot of ground and pound a gap runs which was not game. It seemed like we had talked about they. Basically ripped the Gate Melvin Melvin Gordon Game Plan and just gave us the neck ler when that's not really his game but in game one the way they implemented Jackson was perfect against a cold so a big props to Whiz to Lynn the office of game plan was very good agree with you on the second half a little bit to pass heavy when they were really succeeding with the run early on so again the chargers running game without Gordon was as good as you could have expected against. Maybe not the best defensive front but some good linebackers occurs and able to get Jackson space in the passing game. It gets better next week in week two against the lines who gave up a lot of yours to David Johnson on the ground and through the air so look for Jackson to do pretty good in week two but again major props the whiz very good game from Lauren Jackson of course and I'll go ahead and move onto the next one and I'm sure you know you. WanNa talk about this too and it's kind on the other end of the spectrum. Ns Charters runty which was not very good and of course. I'm sure that was your second talking point and we'll probably have the same third but we'll just expanding on it. You know the the running game without Mama. Gordon was a big focal point joint going into the season going into this offseason was about the run defense. It was a big sticking point this offseason they quite literally got ran out of the building and you're in New England England in their playoff loss the upgraded the Interior Jerry tillery in the first round and in week one that run defense failed their first test in there. I look of action Joe said that Marlin Max one hundred seventy four yards on Sunday was the most yards by running back against the chargers since Adrian Peterson said an NFL record with two hundred ninety six for the Vikings Vikings in two thousand and seven he ran all over the chargers but if you put a little context to it in the first half the coast longest run with seven yards and and they bottled Marlin markup for twenty one yards two quarters and then all hell broke loose in the third and fourth quarter Indianapolis attack the chargers fry they dare them to stop them which the the chargers of course couldn't and they just kept running the ball behind that impressive offensive line and Jerry tillery the guy was talking about a little bit earlier who is supposed to be the upgrade got ran over every snap. He was basically and he did not get much penetration when he did. He wasn't where he was supposed to be. Sometimes off balance sometimes on the ground and and that was the question we had talked about when they drafted him. Yes he's an athlete yes. He's makes the pass rushing part of that tackle group much better but he is undersized is D-. How's it going to do in the run game on Sunday kind of looked like he was just getting manhandled. He couldn't get off blocked who's overmatched and again this is one of the NFL's best offensive line group but that group has been put on notice and I do want to say you know even if we talk about these bad things it is week one. It's a small sample size. No need to panic but you know something to look four two three four five when we get to the midseason are the chargers getting ran over and you know the lions and everybody else. They're going to look at this tape and go. The colts ran all over the chargers. They had no way to stop them. The chargers news coming and there was no way to stop the leaking and then it broke the dam open and then they ended up coming back and forcing in overtime so the coastal advantage of the run defense teams will be coming up in the next few weeks at least into to the end of the season depending on how they look but so far not so good for that run defense. I think you can just kind of lumped the whole defense into one big. They didn't play. I mean they weren't terrible terrible for the whole game but there were a lot of things that were alarming you mentioned the run defense. I think part of that was just a really good offensive line against the defensive line nine that still trying to find its legs and find the right combinations part of that was also those guys the chargers defense starting defense really didn't play much outside of Kaiser White in the preseason preseason. I think those guys are not in game shape and they were clearly tired about midway through the third quarter. They just broke down and they had no answer for it. Yeah there were a lot of misreads and missed run fits by the linebackers. Even guys like Thomas Davis who would expect would be in the right place at the right time. He's engaging blockers when you should be filling a gap making a tackle bad angles just a lot of mental mistakes that I think were mostly borne out of being rusty and being tired and they just just wore down and I think that was pretty evident so I'm not sure it's necessarily indicative of what they're going to look like moving forward. I saw a lot of people saying they thought Thomas Davis didn't play Klay Wall on Sunday. People saying he was slow. I thought he was slow. This reads. I thought he was mentally slow. I didn't think he looked slow from physical standpoint. He was chasing engaged down. He seemed like he has closing speed. he got burned on a couple of fakes gave up. Some big passing plays where he bit hard on a couple. The play action fakes that happens but I didn't think he was a slow as people were making him out to be just thought his reads we're not very good and hopefully that will get better as he gets more acclimated to the defense in the guys around him and he knocks that rust off but that group was not very good and the pass defense outside of Casey Hayward also was not very good. They let Jacoby percents pick them apart. The entire game brandon face on was basically just getting picked on left and right anytime they threw the ball didn't matter who it was it was against it was against face on and he had no answer. He wasn't making tackles he couldn't he wasn't getting to the ball he was just giving huge cushions and getting getting picked on pretty badly wants Michael. Davis went out of the game so they've got a big problem with that that quarter position opposite of Casey Hayward do they put attlee out there. They play utterly in the slot king outside. They're going to have to find another corner because they can't rely on face on all kinds of problems there are and the these guys have to get in shape in a hurry because everybody's GonNa come into town looking to run the ball down their throat now so they're going to have to respond and they're going to have to show how good they are. They're going to have to live up to the hype. They've been getting all through the preseason. You mentioned tillery you know. I was watching him closely. Hoping he'd make some plays he did get some penetration. It looked like in some cases. The calls were letting him penetrate and then just knocking him off his feet. You mentioned under-sized. He is kind of your atypical interior. Your defensive linemen you know he's six five or six to ninety eight so he's long and lean and he just he seemed like he was having a hard time creating leverage maintaining leverage keeping his feet when he penetrated they they really took advantage of him so he's going to have to really work. We mentioned this on the last show. Keep that level low maintain that leverage hold his ground all things he really struggled with the defense was not good for sure. Those guys need to get a lot better in a hurry and they need to get in shape in a hurry all right well. I thank you touched on some things. I want to talk about a little bit later but I know you've got another talking point here. So what else you got here. I do my second talking. Point is actually really some another good thing and it's the impact of some of the younger players on special teams which was huge on Sunday talk about drew tranquil and Adderley utterly and Justin Jackson all making huge impacts on special teams. Adderley in Jackson may keep locks to spring king on his opening kickoff return. trank think hourly also had a tackle on the first punt of the game tranquil blocked a punt. Those guys were all over the field. It seemed like if arrowly and tranquil we're not making the tackle on special teams TMZ. They were right there the next guy ready to make the tackle so I mean it's almost like football players and athletes on the field and good things happen I I. It's it's kind of weird to see but you know no more nick designer. Soon hopefully start getting tranquil. They're more. They're suddenly more athletic. They're better football players. There's they're making more plays. They're flying around. I think this is going to be a fun special teams group to watch this year on the return side it already is but I think you're gonNA start seeing seen them. Blackmore punts and make more plays forcing turnovers indicate coverage game as well and of course that's something I want to touch on to you know some of the new faces cases in some of the new editions and you talked about Thomas Davis and being slow on his reads. I actually disagree with you. I think he was just slow in general. I thought I don't know if it was we're learning the new system being with the charges for the first year first time outside of Carolina but he was very slow with his reads and I thought he was really so with his feet. I know he got faked a couple of times but he gave up that he have a pretty big catch on a third and one to Jack Doyle has been on the run fake and you know you mentioned it happens but then doyle caught it ran for twenty twenty yards. It was the second longest catcher the day that first touchdown with some confusion between Thomas Davis Braden face on the left of the touchdown and it just seemed like the colts in the middle of the field kind of found the match up with Thomas Davis and took advantage of it. We saw a few catches where they matched up t y Hilton on Thomas Davis in the middle of the field the of course the worst I play of the game was his over pursue on why homers trying yeah we're trying to cut off t y Hilton at the sideline and he cuts it inside and takes touchdown not great you get the thinking but of course you can't let them get that angle on you. Even though he led the team in tackles I thought a lot of it was he was getting his tackles third four yards after the line of scrimmage. There's one tackle that I could count where he got like a really good play on a pitch to Marlin MAC retirement the line of scrimmage other than that. I thought he was slow in his reads. I thought he just had slow feet feet. Maybe that's getting back a game shape and just being a little bit rusty and you know I thought the stats were a little padded because it's getting tackles with running backs running right Adam but I just felt like basically picking the chargers apart where they're getting those few yard runs that Dinkins dunk to third and short and just pounded in on that third and three two or one one and then just run MARLIN MAC and go behind that offensive line and get the first down and they just kept doing that marching down the field and of course the defense tired. I thought Thomas Davis struggled a lot of key tackles. Though I will say obviously he made a ton of them. didn't miss any tackles which I can't say about racial Jenkins who was another another guy who didn't have a good game coming over on that Eric Hebron that was almost a touchdown and to start the fourth quarter almost cost them seven but that fifty three yard rushing touchdown in Marlin McMahon God. He missed that last tackle and it gave me Adjalil die flashbacks. It was off and you know when you're the free safety your ask defense and you just can't miss attack like that the he went low. It was a bad angle. I mean that's your job. You can't let anything behind him and he just missed a tackle. He didn't let a AH speedy receiver go over the top. He just missed a tackle MARLA MAC. It was terrible so he had a bad game but like you mentioned there are some guys who really good. Games drew tranquil obviously great great on special teams with a special teams tackle and the block adamantly having that that block on that I s king kick like you were mentioning and then that tackle tackle which where he flew my God Verna face on was the closest guy in the area and he oh he basically leapfrog to tackle the returners so he was really good and not that it's obviously we want us not time to panic but if you're thinking about guys that need to start getting some snaps you know if Thomas Davis is struggling a little bit needs to get back in the groove a little bit then maybe throw Andrew Tranquil a little bit more and maybe afraid Sean Jenkins still struggles. You've gotten to see Radley who's shown up on special teams so there are some guys that are you're doing really good right now. The rookies at least through the first game through guys ever Kinda struggling in game one and so you want to get your best players on the field and I think tranquil and earlier certainly beginning to knock on the door to get some playing time because they looked really good in a limited action. They looked really good. I also thought Kaiser White had a pretty good. He was all over the place. Had several run stops at or near. The line of scrimmage looked really good to me. just fast just looked really fast. Decisive wasn't having a lot of those same. You know second guessing his reads delayed reads. Thomas Davis was having so there. Were some guys play while I thought me Bain showed up played a pretty good game for the most part art great of those in Ingram Great. It was the guy next to me being that we're getting run over didn't matter who it was Justin Jones. We've talked about UH tillery tillery square all those guys. We're just getting run over. You know it was just not a pretty day for the three techniques in that in that defense so they gotta figure out something there get get somebody going quickly. yeah. I think face on a big a big problem as as bad as the run defense was face on a huge problem if they don't figure out how to upgrade that because he was basically nonexistent oh he was punching bag. I mean he was yeah. Yeah they just basically really picked on him the entire time and when they need it most on that fourth down they targeted right at face on with Devin funchess down the sideline and it wasn't much of a move either. It's just kind of you know. He beat him inside and let them have the have the yard gain so he he was not very good. The chargers very talked about having to address corner because Michael Davis and Trevor Williams aren't ready ready and Davis will be out for a little bit so that'll be good who knows a little end up getting. That's a big question. Markelle part of me just believes it's going to be Jeff. Richards probably and we're all going to be thoroughly disappointed but they got to do it because they don't have any data. That's kind of what we were talking about. They were kind of light on that cornerback group especially when you talk about Trevor Williams who wasn't ready for the preseason and isn't ready now going into week two so they've got to get some more depth than that cornerback group and then one of the thing I'd like to mention his tight long pitching in for Michael Badgley who was able to make all of his kicks even made the kick that didn't count that got called back because of that unnecessary roughness but made extra points to field goals beautiful punts very good kickoffs. He was the star of the special teams you know we talked about your tranquil but I along man stepped up big having a new long snapper a brand new holder and tyrod Taylor who's never done it in the NFL and a brand new kicker who's never done in the NFL tie long to be able to kick punt kick see was it was great. He was all hands on deck too great and this is why we were hoping they would keep a guy like tight long and isn't it ironic this a year. They have two good kickers when they only needed one for like seven years. It seems like yeah it was nice to see out there making those kicks of just booming the ball really as as the place kicker so nice to have that depth that worked out very well for them so glad that's working out yeah. It said he was the first player since ninety seven to have an extra point field goal punt in his first. NFL game he converted a forty yard field goal was three for three on extra points is pun yard. Yard average was forty nine yards so good for him. Yeah he was killing the ball well we kind of hinted at it but we didn't really get into it is the offensive line I think we need to talk about the offensive line as much as we probably prefer not to. you know. I saw some people debating on twitter how well the offensive of Lyon play while they ran the ball really well. They moved the ball. Will I gotTa tell you that pass protection. The more you watch it the worst the harder it gets to watch I thought Trent Scott had an awful day. You think I know he's I think he had a terrible game. You know he's been kind of a punching bag through the preseason. He seemed like he was showing some improvement late in the preseason. He's back looking slow. I thought his feet were slow. The hands were slow. There were times where he was last offensive lineman off the ball. he was whipping blocks at the second level and the running game there were times where he wasn't even getting a hand on pass rushers. He's just terrible. Scofield was chasing interior pass rushers from behind for most of the Game Pass Protection Tavee was whipping blocks walks in pass protection. He is a good run blocker but he saved heavy has got off as a pass protector just brutal outside of Fini and Pouncey. Nobody nobody really played particularly well in that line. I thought Fini might have had one of his better. Overall Games is a pro he did not great out very well according to PF. I think they gave him like ca fifty three or something like that but I thought he played extremely well. He was very good in the run game early on in that game. All almost all of their big runs one one for Jackson several for Exeter all of them came behind Fini last touchdown the winning touchdown you mentioned he sealed off. His man buried carried him for the touchdown run. Fini was outstanding and his pass protection seems like it's improving. It's still not great but it's getting better but the other three who man I scofield hard to watch. Chevy's hard to watch and Scotches looks overwhelmed. He does not belong out there right now and they don't have really any other alternatives so they're in trouble with an epic first week of football behind us. 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They're going against a a over the Hill Justin Houston Camino Teret who has done okay so far. They're getting pressure all day and this is Bradley trump and von Miller. We're talking about. This is like a very bad pass rushing group because of all sheer wasn't there if he was there would have been a whole nother story but yeah you know Trent Scott. I thought Samten scout weren't weren't terrible. In the first half they weren't great. They weren't good but they weren't terrible and then all of a sudden after halftime I mean it was just awful. Between those two. They didn't run the ball as much in the second half and that had a lot to do with it. They got very predictable. They got very one dimensional. started putting the ball rivers hands too much asking too much of him and it showed up on the tape. Those guys just couldn't hang. I agree with you. I actually thought watching the first half I was thinking man. Might it actually come out of this with a not. Maybe not a favourable but a decent report on Scott because he played okay in the first half there were some miss blocks but he also showed up pretty well and pass protection at times but his second half was just abysmal and this offensive line you put an extra manner to on on the defensive line on Linux scrimmage and send a blitz and they're confused. They have no idea how to respond well. That's what happened on that first drive the first charges. I drive the overloaded Sam Tevi side ride and they just left a free rusher rivers and he got sacked but yeah you're you're right. I mean that had a lot to do with it. They didn't run the ball as much in the second half and the problem is passed protecting these tackles it pretty good in the run game. I agree with you on Scofield. I thought Mike Pouncey was very good. You could tell that he's starting to get his feet it under him a little bit towards the end of that game. I really liked getting better throughout that game. I thought pouncey was starting to miss the second level a couple of times but then you know when you saw some awesome necklace screens he was out in front of him and Feeney were leading the charge so yeah I thought feeney did really good especially in space of course being able to seal off your guy and get that game. Winning touchdown was very good on Phoenix Part Sam Teddy getting out in front on one last drive and this is a group that we're all concerned about and they induce oh good in their first game they did good in the run game not so good as past protectors and that's going to be the issue because the chargers were Kinda in the driver's seat most of that game and they could have ran the ball a lot more but when they're behind and they're going to be more predictable to have to pass defense is gonna pin their ears back and it's going to be trouble. I I am not looking forward due to these next few matchups when the chargers got play some of these better pass rushers because cultures don't have it and they didn't look very good. I guess the group that's not very good so other other than that also Keenan Allen looked really good too. We haven't mentioned him at all. He had of course that that Yolo Ball. You know rivers is going to look back and go. I can make that throw throw in week four. When the Charter Down Twenty one is GonNa get picked and triple coverage but great job by Keenan Allen to get the cash and the touchdown. I love the positivity tiddly yeah I mean. You know we talk about how sometimes Chuck Conduct Phil and those are the type of throws he makes but at least that was with better uh who's more man-on-man and keen was able to get up and get it great throw by rivers and a really good catch to start overtime by Keenan Allen. I mean he's just a match up nightmare and against the Detroit lions coming up they gave up a lot of yards to Larry Fitzgerald and he's a pretty good route runner when they get Keenan Allen involved shit man. It's GonNa to be bananas. Go off and week two very good Game Keno Clutch a lot of great. I catches he was he had a lot of space to work with early on. It was kind of hit or miss manners. I game went on. He was really good yeah. He was very very good also nice to see one hundred hundred back yeah making catches converting first downs owns help move the ball when they needed it very nice to see him back. Rivers played a very good game. I thought he made some key throws to. I get some points on the board moved. The ball little bit worried about the arm strength. I'm not saying it's a it's something that we got to be alarmed about at this point but something to monitor. I thought there were some balls that floated early in that game the interception in the end zone. I thought was not a bad read but a late read and the ball was a little slow getting there and there are a couple of the throws is what I thought just seemed like they took forever to get get home so just kind of keep that in the back of your mind whereas that arm strength because he didn't look like the Philip rivers arm strength that we would expect it to beginning of the season after not having played at all in the preseason. You'd think you'd have a fresh arm and it just didn't seem that fresh to me. Yeah Hell of a play by me. Cooker occur I didn't I was with rivers. I didn't think you'd be able to cover that much ground. Damn did he ever with the one handed interception. That was a great play a game. Oh doubt about it. I mean they have been the best play from week. One that was amazing yeah it was by him when he caught it too like. I said it wasn't a bad read. Maybe Tad late and if the ball didn't get there quite as quickly as you'd like but hell the play by hooker. That was amazing. Yeah no absolutely all right well that does it for us. chargers win first time in a long time. I am at gear sixty on twitter Jimmy at lightning underscore round and we will see next time thanks everybody.

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RTFP #977: Greg Cosell

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If you watched the impact that Cole Beasley and Tabin Austin had Saturday night, you already knew that they'd be important because of Greg Cosell, which is why Greg Cosell joins us each and every week. We won his insight, obviously, Greg I want more of your no strongest like wisdom on the divisional round games. But I'm just curious before we get to that. Can you just give me a thought or two for the fans of the Packers and the cardinals and the bucks on when you think of these guys and their offenses what? What comes to mind because obviously for different reasons you've studied all three of them. We'll start with Matt leflore and the Green Bay Packers because I do feel like over the year. We've talked to decent amount about what he's what he was trying to do with the titans. Yeah. I would say Madoff floor. He's a young coach. And I think his influence is predominantly Kyle Shanahan, obviously, some Sean McVeigh. And I think that he's a very structured rhythmic timing past game coach, that's what he'd ultimately liked to be. But it also starts with the run game which will be very interesting in Green Bay because that's the way Kyle Shanahan in Sean McVay start their offense. And I think a floor in an ideal world would like to do the same thing. How about Bruce Arians zoo? I mean, he's only been out for a year. So right fresh. It's a good mix. Actually because I think James Winston is an intermediate in downfield thrower at his core. Bruce Arians has always been about pushing the ball down the field, his favorite expression being no risk it. No biscuit. And I think that that's a good match. I think the good thing for James Winston is Bruce Arians hard on quarterbacks. And I think James has talent can be a very good player, but needs a coach he needs Arians to be really hard on them. And I think that's that's a good match in my view. And then finally, obviously, it was at the college level. So things will change you. And I talk all the time. It's different game. The hash marks it cetera. But what did you see from cliff kings, berries offenses at Texas Tech? Well, I know you've studied Davis Webb and Mahomes. Yeah. And I think that's going to be interesting. I don't have a tremendous feel about that Ross. I think that one thing that always is a factor. With college offenses that need to be cleaned up in the NFL is pass protection. And I think that that's going to be the number one issue that he's going to have to deal with also I think the symmetry of the field as you just mentioned is a factor because there's a lot more easy throws in college football than there are in the NFL and those throws don't exist to the same degree at the pro level. And I think that impacts how you put together an offense. And I think he's going to have to figure that out. Now, he's a young coach from everything I've heard he's incredibly smart and thoughtful, and we'll see, but I think those are a couple of things that immediately jump out to me. And of course, one of his star pupils, Patrick Mahomes is the likely MVP of the league this year. He plays in the first game in the divisional round against the Indianapolis Colts chiefs colts gimme some thoughts. Basically. Greg just tell me again what's going to happen before the game. Because I really like. Well, I would add Ross, you know, I think when you you know, when you play the cheese, there's a couple of things that really stand out on film in my view and one and let's talk Pasquin because that's where the explosive plays. Come from one is tyreek hill inside whether he's in a conventional slot where this two receivers to one side or whether he's in the inside slot where it's trips, and you must have an idea of how to deal with him. Now, the colts are not a man to man defensive team. So they're not going to put a man on them that usually causes oughta problems because he'll runs by people on a lot of vertical routes, but you have to have a good feel for how you're going to handle tyreek hill in both the conventional slot and the inside slot. And the second part is what do you do with Travis Kelsey who also lines up in this lot? And can also be split as a number one on the backside of trips. So those are the two players that you must be aware of now, they're a zone base. Team the colts. But maybe they'll be some match up zone principals and some pattern matching just to not allow them to work through Soanes into open areas. And the final point I would make I went through all of Mahomes, I down drawbacks and Mahomes third-down dropbacks this year and particularly on third down the number of second reaction throws really astounded me. So you have to then have an idea of how you want to deal with his movement because he does that that's what he did in college. And that's what he's doing in the NFL. There's a ton of throws off movement improvised movement and really, Greg. I thought one of the things the colts did pretty well was keep the Shawn Watson in the pocket. Yes. They're very disciplined on defense. They're fundamentally sound and you need to continue to play that way. Because that's where a lot of the big plays. Come from the chiefs. Absolutely. That was at that was for sure one of the things that I noticed. What about Gregg that the nightcap, and it's going to be the Cowboys and the Los Angeles Rams. I was pretty impressed. Really? I was impressed by a lot of team this weekend. But impressed by the colts on the road as well. As impressed by the Cowboys and how they performed against the Seahawks. Yeah. Well, the Cowboys play a certain way Ross, and they really play that way all the time because that's the way they have to play. So what's critical for the Cowboys is their defense keeping games close. So essentially the way they play this. They're run game and their defense. Both among the best in the NFL keeping games close. They don't ask Prescott to do too much in the passing game. But here's the result. The result is that that profile makes games a winnable in the fourth quarter. It keeps games close. And that's when. Prescott are running by design and his improvisational ability. Come into play. So that's what you get with the Cowboys. The Cowboys need to be close in the third and fourth quarter of games. That's exactly what happened against Seattle. And then those games become very winnable. And as I said that's when Prescott ability comes into play, but throughout their their philosophical approach is such the they don't ask Prescott to do very much their past game is very basic. But they have the best back in the league. And they have a really good defense. They certainly do. It is fun watching the way their defense flies around. And if you like it almost happened overnight. I know. I mean, you know, we always felt like they had they'd run. Mill Rodman Manelli did a really good job. I guess crystal shards. Getting a lot of credit. I don't know what the balance of power is. None of us do unless you're there. But their defense is really good. And look it's a distinct profile, and you know, with a quarterback that has improvisational ability and running ability then you can theoretically make enough plays. But keep one thing in mind. I mean, you know, you talk about that that third and fourteen running play that play was called to kick a field goal Ross. I mean, they didn't want Prescott with a seventeen fourteen lead. I believe at the time. I could be wrong. I thought it was seventeen fourteen at the time. They didn't want him throwing the ball there. They call the running play on third and fourteen. So, you know, yeah. He ended up making a great play. But you it's all part of their philosophy. It really is. And that was a tremendous effort by him though, phenomenal effort, he's great. And that's that's what he is. But but that's their profile. It's not going to change. You know, I I actually think they match up pretty well. With the Rams, I'm. So I can't I can't I don't pick games because I just don't do that. Because as you know, give you ten reasons I need side. But I think this is going to be very competitive game that the Cowboys could win. I agree. I feel the same way with colts and chiefs, don't you? Yes. I do because I think the colts can score. You know, I think that Andrew luck is throwing the ball extremely well. Right now. I and we know that she's defense. They were very good pass rush defense at times. But they're also a team that Russia's three more than any defense in the league. So you know, I think that the colts will be able to move the ball. And I think they're run game can be a factor here yet. I I would tend to agree with that as well. It's amazing. That's what's so cool about the playoffs. This year is that you know, second weekend in a row, I can see any of the road teams underdog teams winning. Let's get to the chargers and. The patriots. Because I thought it was really interesting Greg because United specifically talked about the value that they're chargers might have had having played the ravens for the second time in three weeks. And I don't know how much of it was that Greg and how much of it was some of the stunting that Gus Bradley did. But that was by far the best job anybody's done against you know, the ravens running attack. And of course, none of that will mean one thing this week because it's a totally different team. They're playing, but they're defensive profiled versus the ravens was very clear. It was what we call dollar personnel. Seventy -fensive backs reduced front's very often. You know, what that means where they cover the center and essentially to three techniques they played cover three on almost every snap until late in the game. They hard the I don't think they blit maybe two times in the game. They brought a fifth rusher. And they did a lot up front. They had Ingram and Bosa. Playing inside quite a bit to get match ups that favored them, and that was a great approach. Now. Like, I said they'll have Ingram in both inside because they do that's part of something they do every week, but the overall approach and it was instructive to go back. And look these two teams played last year the chargers on DR predominantly a dime defense as it is so against the ravens, they added the seventy passive back. But when they played the patriots last year and did a pretty good job on defense against them. They play predominantly dime with sixty -fensive backs. Is it weird though, Greg that they played that many DB's against a rushing attack? Like, the ravens, well, you know, the the conventional wisdom would be that you want to line up with big people against certainly an inside dive running game that goes said words presents. But I think they felt they wanted to speed they didn't want Jackson to outflank them. And I think they felt that the reduced front that they could take away the dive. Because then you're just you know, becomes a man on a man, but you're shutting down and closing down the inside as you know Ross. So I think that was their approach they wanted speed over size and power because I think they that's what they felt would be the better way to to minimize that re running attack. So how do you think this match-up against the patriots is going gonna go what what sort of chess match you're looking at there? Well, I thought they did a good job a year ago. The one thing that stood out looking at that tape was how much the backs were featured in the patriots pass game in that game. Last year birkhead had seven catches white had five catches the unalluring. Obviously not there had some catches. There were a lot of check downs. There are a lot of screens. You know, the the patriots. Are they run their staple stuff? I if you really get to the core of the patriots pass game. They do a lot of the same things. They just make it look a little different. But there's certain things that they do every single week staple concept. They'll do that. And as I said the chargers they rely predominantly on their form in D line rush and they play with sixty -fensive backs and they play a lot of own. They will play man more than people think. But they're predominantly a cover three base defense. It's funny. You know, you never say the guy's name, Greg because you're a gentleman and a scholar, but I I was feeling bad for James, Hurst, the raven. Yes card because that was clearly what they thought was the most. Charlie him. Yes. They literally were putting him. Well, as I've been the target before Greg. It's not real fun. I've been I've been the guy that they think is the we can't. So let's put our best rusher over this guy and try to get him one on one, and that's a real bad feeling a real bad now. And and obviously he got benched in the middle of the third quarter. And yes, I yeah. It was it was just one of those things, you know. What are you gonna do? Exactly. I mean and all the times guards aren't used to going against guys with those kinda like bingo now. No. And those movements kills those hands. I mean Ingram had a real good spin move. And it was that that was that was fun to watch painful from hers perspective, but fun to watch in the same light. All right, Greg. Let's get to it Sunday afternoon. The eagles. They did it again against the bears. Now, they're going to try to do it again against the New Orleans Saints. I know you break down. This one very intensely. What do you got for me for the saints and the eagles? Yeah. There's there's a lot. I mean, there's a lot every game. Obviously. I one thing I think you might see in this game. And I don't think it's it's what the saints do kind of as part of their normal. Oh is I think you're gonna see a lot of pressman coverage? And the reason I say that is Nick foles and this offense. And and what what Doug Peterson does with Nick foles is they want the ball out of his hands. They want the ball. They want to pass game to be rhythmic timing based and they want the ball out of his hands because nicks one of those kinds of quarterbacks along or he's in the pocket with the ball, the less effectively is so they try to make him a rhythm player by design, and I think the saints instead of I'm not saying they're not going to rush the quarterback. Of course, every team does. But I think they're going to try to disrupt the timing on the outside with pressman coverage. And that's going to be the number one way they do that. Now, the eagles have been very good on third down. The one thing fall. Has done extremely well as he does throw to the one on ones. So if it's Jeffrey versus Lattimore, let's say falls will throw it to him. And then you then the one on ones come into play. And we'll see how that goes. But that's one thing. I would look for in this game pressman coverage by the saints. I love what about when the saints have the ball. Well, you know, I went back and looked at the last game. And I know it was forty eight seven, but that doesn't mean anything when I go back, and look I look for tactics. Now one thing the eagles did in that game. Which was very very interesting is they had snaps in that game where they doubled both Thomas and Camara. Now, the interesting part of this game the player who might be the wild card. Here is Ted Ginn. He did not play in that game. And he missed most of the season. But he's back and he presents vertical dimension. Now that the eagles really can't handle from coverage standpoint, you know, if they're going to double Thomas, and that is so I think Ted Ginn, and I've spoken to about this before with you that I thought he was the missing element. Even though he's not a volume catcher he presents a vertical dimension both outside and inside from the slot. And I think he could change the way the eagles have to sort of structure their coverage concepts. I love it. Greg terrific stuff as. Always cannot wait to dissect these games with your next week as well as look ahead to conference championships Sunday, gosh, it's going way way too fast. But it's highly enjoyable thanks to your insight each and every week, thanks so much, Greg. Thank you. Love talking with Greg Cosell and love when we have a new sponsor. But I am fired up about in. This one is art of sport, art of sport dot com. You get fifty percent off a trial kit, plus free shipping when you use the promo code football. 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Hey Ross three more head coach got hired yesterday in the NFL. Freddie kitchens. Cleveland Vic Fangio in Denver and Adam gays with the New York Jets. Well, Hello Bri. Yes. You are. Right. They did. So. Here's the deal with these three. Freddie kitchens in Cleveland. This makes perfect sense. To me. They were only going to be able to keep one out of Freddie, kitchens in Greg Williams. I think I mean at Greg Williams it gets passed over for the head coaching job for kitchen stay around. And I think kitchens wanted to head coaching job. And if he didn't get it. He was probably gonna go elsewhere. So I told you before, but I thought they should keep. Some continuity in place. Given the fact that this is the best run they've been on in a long long time. So I thought I wouldn't want to hit the reset button on both sides of the ball. It would have been nice if they could figure out a way to keep both guys they were not able to figure out a way to keep both guys. So instead, they're just keeping, Freddie kitchens. And I get it. Right. I mean with what Baker Mayfield did was what they were able to get done in the offensive side of the ball. If you can only keep one you're going to keep the guy that meshes well with your quarterback who was the number one overall pick in the draft the one that was the side of the ball that had more success. So I get it. And I like it Vic Fangio in Denver. I love because Vic Fangio has been dominant on his side of the ball on defense. Utterly dominant. No matter where he's. Did. I mean, San Francisco Chicago different head coaches doesn't matter. He's got his side of the ball rocking and rolling always. Now, he comes at Denver with von Miller and Bradley Chubb. Yikes. Lookout AFC west and everybody else. Broncos defense is going to be good. And he's keeping kubiak. To be the offensive coordinator. Gary kubiak coming back to be the offense coordinator, which gives you some some faith in believe, and what they'll be able to get done on that side of the ball. So I like that hire a lot as well and engaged with the jets. I think is an interesting one. I do think he is a salad football coach that overall exceeded expectations with the dolphins especially considering tannehill got hurt every year. That said, you know, there's a reason why the dolphin just let them go. There's a reason why things ended poorly reportedly with the Denver Broncos when he was a coordinator there. And I guess I I would wonder those things, and I would wonder you know, how much better he really is than Mike McCarthy, or, you know, monkeying Jeff monk in down at the bucks, or even you know, Mike McCarthy who really. Really wanted this job. So they obviously felt like as was the best. So we'll see. Jeez. Now, all those head coaches are putting together their staffs. The Vikings announced that Kevin Stansky will be back as OC. Right. And I'm not going to go like, you know, Bruce Arians hired Todd Bowles. And I think there's some other coordinator news, and some of these cities, I told you the kubiak one, but you know, those jobs are more about the head coach and who they've hired as head coach. But the Vikings retaining fancies interesting because that was something that was up in the air that was something that they were considering and trying to figure out so good for fancy. I think he deserves based on how they played at least the first two games when he was the coordinator, they probably do deserve another chance to show what they can do what he can do. He's been there for a while. He kinda worked his way up the ranks. He's he's been given. I think he's earned this opportunity to actually be the fulltime offense coordinator and put it in an offense in the spring in training camp. It's really his own. So that makes perfect. Sense to me that higher. Jeez. Arasa kind of got lost in the shuffle with all the coaching news yesterday. But the NFL and the NFL PA issued a joint statement which stated they found no wrongdoing as it relates to reads drug testing. Right. And you know, there are still going to be a lot of people that still will not believe this which I think is pretty disappointing. You know, this is the NFL n the NFL PA. They don't agree on anything anything yet in. This instance, they're telling you that they believe that this is the case that you know, there was no wrong doing here and that there's no evidence of wrongdoing here. So to me if you're still like now, I don't believe it. You've got to be kidding. You don't think that the NFL PA would like to catch the NFL red handed doing something untoward towards one of their players right to kind of have them caught with their hand in the cookie jar. But no, it's not it's not true. By the way, the Ian Rapoport reported. That Eric Reid wasn't even tested as much as you said publicly. And I've said this before I'll say the same thing about Russell Kun saying that Goodell doesn't want the chargers to win. You know when you claim bias that's not their false by us. Or when you believe you're being unfairly harassed or persecuted? When it's clearly not the case. Like Russell Kun give me a break. Just gimme a break. But when you do that, it really does two things it calls into question any other time when you're a claims because you're on record as making clearly false claims and also de-legitimize is other people when they have accurate claims when they have truthful claims, it's. It's a shame that some of these guys don't realize the damage that they really do was some of this nonsense with some of these claims that just aren't aren't the case. Jeez. Other player news. The Indianapolis Colts are going to be without Mike Mitchell for the rest of the playoffs and the Panthers moving on from longtime linebacker Thomas Davis. So Mitchell wasn't like the main guy for the colts. But he was he was helping them. So that never helps on the back end going against a chiefs defense. Mitchell has a lot of experience. So that'll hurt a little bit. And then Thomas Davis put a a video out where he let it be known that he wants to keep playing and thanked people for his time in Carolina. I mean, the guys give me thirty six years old March that's a long time to play linebacker in the NFL. I'm actually surprised that he wants to keep playing that that surprises me that he wants to keep playing even if it's on another team. I wouldn't be surprised once he sees the interest or perhaps lack thereof. If he changes his tune as far as that's concerned, but I think the Panthers handled it the right way, letting them know privately. Hey, we love you. But a lotta times the NFL you only have two linebackers on the field. And it's time for that to be lewke clean shack. Thompson, you know, we took in the first round. So I feel like the Panthers handled that the right way. And it just breakup like that or or hard to asking. Wanted to ask in NFL player question will here's your genius? It's time to ask. Ross the Email address Ross at Ross Tucker dot com, again Ross at Ross Tucker dot com. It's really very simple anytime, you go ahead and take advantage of any of our sponsors for any reason. Go ahead and send me an Email Ross at Ross Tucker dot com with that sponsor. So I know boom, we took advantage of one of your sponsor sponsor page over Ross soccer dot com. And here's my question, and you're automatically entered then to win tomorrow's sponsor confirmation Email winner. What do you got? Hey Ross had your Amazon affiliate link bookmarked for years, and if purchased hundreds if not thousands of products through it, my favorite purchase, my tire home theater system. That allowed me to watch. My Cowboys upset the saints in glorious high. Death. My only question involves Cowboys online. I love the Connor Williams pick. But sue a fellow has been playing well, and I think Tyran Smith benefits from bigger body there. What have you thought of sufi LA's play? Thank you for all the years of consistency. That's from Ben cannon, Ben fire. The cannons. Ben good question. Really good question. This is obviously from a few weeks ago. And I think what happened is through a feel. Oh had that. I if you and they put kinda Williams back in and just left him in there. I will say this sewer feel oh is known more for his run blocking Ben. And I think going against Aaron Donald I think it makes sense probably have a more athletes pass blocking type like Connor Williams, then sue AFI low in there. Plus they've heavily invested in Connor Williams. So they're going to they're going to want to see that through and give him. Every opportunity. So I think that's a good question. But I think Connor Williams is probably the choice. Although I'm kind of with you that for a while. There felt like they were at least running the ball better with Connor Williams. But they I mean with a fuel, but they did pretty well. The other day with Connor Williams against the Seahawks. Good question. Keep him coming Ross at Ross Tucker dot com. Remember just rating and reviewing the show on apple podcast, whatever. Grab a quick screen shot. Four to me Ross at Ross Tucker dot com with your Email question. And boom, we are good to go. Speaking of good to go even money podcast fantasy feast both those are good to go for this week's. 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OchoLive: Sean Lee Talk | CB1 Byron Jones | Confidence Rising

Blogging the Boys

13:43 min | 2 years ago

OchoLive: Sean Lee Talk | CB1 Byron Jones | Confidence Rising

"Nona. What world welcome to another episode of Ocho alarm presented you in partnership as always that's being Asians, blogging, the boys dot com. Our Joe show, of course, from BB and from right here is your host on OJ live. You watch our live shows every day about three PM central time, Twitter, periscope, YouTube live the blog, the boys, Facebook, live, feed, got a lot of ways for you to watch live. You can always catch the rewatching blog, the boys dot com, where you should be all the time anyway. And if your podcast, we have the blog in the boys podcast feed available for you. Make sure you subscribing all apple and Android devices got tons and tons of shows today. Actually new episode of talk on the star of Bruce in the boys and right here. Welcome to another new episode of Joe live, happy hump day. It is Wednesday, October seventeenth, two thousand eighteen, and we have some stuff to talk about when it comes to America's team. Thomas Davis. I'm BT's Facebook lobbied says, what up from Poland. Hey, hey, Poland. We've been a lot of places on July been to a lot of different countries in terms of. Where we've been streamed Poland, I think is a new one. So what is up to Poland? Let's get started before we dive it on the Cowboys. Something we wanted to touch on here on live, I it was announced earlier today or there this morning on Wednesday morning. They're rich Tandler who covered the Washington Redskins for NBC sports in Washington passed away at the age of sixty three mob. Obviously, we cover the Cowboys. You're not alive. That's the team we root for. And that's the team that we experience joy and satisfaction from the Washington. Redskins are a big part of that, obviously, as one of the Cowboys division rivals. And I know that I enjoyed the Washington Redskins coverage from rich handler over the years, sort of my go-to plays my go-to. Twitter, follow my go-to source for all things, Washington Redskins, very, very sad to learn of his passing this morning. Very good at what he did. I think it goes without saying that on behalf of Ocho live. You know, we're certainly praying for and thinking of rich Taylor's family. Just a very, very sad day for sports in for the sports media and for the Washington Redskins moving onto the Dallas Cowboys. You know, there is no way that you can really very easily transition from something like that. Let's talk about Jason Garrett who this morning on Wednesday morning and his press conference talked about Sean Lee, and he said that Sean Lee would practice on Wednesday, and as we're speaking live at the moment, the Cowboys practice report from Wednesday is not out yet, but that will be available a lot of the boys dot com. Whenever you do catch show live, Jason Garrett said that they would see what the status was. Sean Lee was gonna be in terms of this Sunday. But for now they just knew that he was expected to practice. Garrett also said that Sean Lee would be limited at the outset of practice and they would hopefully handle everything. Well, etc. He did note them, elite Collins, Antoine woods and David Irving where all anticipated a practice. Although the local media did report. At the beginning that David Arvin was not at the open period of practice. Early on. Jason did say that when Sean is healthy and ready to go, Sean is going to play, which leads me to a question now I wrote about this should be out fairly soon at blog on the boys dot com. Would you play Sean Lee, this Sunday? And that's a question that I think a lot of Cowboys fans are asking themselves. You look at this, the Dallas Cowboys your three and three. They certainly need this win. I know that there are a lot of people who don't think the Cavs doing anything in terms of the playoffs this year, but we're talking obviously about the couch trying to win every game possible. And if you're the Cowboys, you have a buy week after this week, you're on the road again facing the Washington Redskins and you're getting fantastic play from your young linebackers in terms of Jalen Smith and lightened Vander. Ash? Would you play Sean Lee? I love. I don't think this is a situation where you get rid of Sean Lee at all. I think that that's overreacting, but I do think that you look at all of the variables involved here and you say, look, Shanley. Maybe he's ninety eight percent. I mean, I'm just guesstimates at this point, but if he's not one hundred percent, even if he is one hundred percent, it's really hard to justify playing Sean Lee. When you have players like in Vander issue. Or playing out of their mind because Sean can then take this week. He can take the by. We can. He can even take the week getting ready for the Tennessee titans, football, November fifth, and he can get properly ready for the part of the season that matters. And I'm not saying that this Sunday in Washington does not matter. It's a road game. It's a row division game to Cowboys have yet to win on the road this season. But for me, I fall in the camp. That is, you know, team rush Sean Lee, especially when you're getting the play that you're getting out of your linebackers right now. You've seen it for multiple games in a row. Now, the Dallas Cowboys technically have a better record without Sean Lee than they do wish on the this season. That's meaningless. Obviously by it is worth talking about and discussing because you should consider that Sean is probably going to get hurt. Again. You might want to delay that as long as possible. Again, it all depends kind of how you you weigh things. Maybe you sued him up on Sunday. Maybe you kinda hold them off. It's going to be a difficult thing to do, but I would rest Shanley personally, that's. Where I fall Bobby, I'm faced with Evans's Sean, chill, wait after the bye I liked that fund. So on on YouTube, live says no wrestling for the by aggravated by the second quarter, you know that that would suck obviously, and that would be unfortunate. But again, I think you gotta play yard, so you gotta play the play, the long game here, and I think that you have to rest Sean Lee. That's my own personal opinion. And it seems like a lot of people tend to agree with that. We do have a few people who want to play this Sunday in Washington. But you know, we'll see what happens and speaking of Washington, speaking of the by the way that turf at FedEx field is not the kindest NFL players, which is another reason to rest Shanley. But the last time the Dallas Cowboys were in Washington last season. Obviously, Byron Jones had a pick six in my remember that we talked about that blog on the boys dot com. Good times Byron Jones had a pick six in Washington. Last year. Byron Jones has been balling out of his mind. Pro football focus released their grades for cornerback so far through six weeks of the NFL season. And guess who's number one? All right. Now, by the way, Patrick Peterson, number five on this list, I know that there's been talk about him being traded by the cardinals. That'll be really interesting to see wherever he ends up. Desmond king. The second before BreX Callahan number three, prince amukamara haven't an eye season with the Chicago Bears and number two, but Byron Jones. And again, these grades are a little finicky. People have their their pros and cons continent, concert, pro football focus, but Byron Jones graded as. The best cornerback so far in the NFL this season, the only player with a grade over ninety ninety point five as you can see if you're watching Joe alive. First place is that good? Last time I checked first place is is pretty awesome. Byron Jones again, has been balling and all credit for this really goes to the Cowboys coaching staff specifically to Chris Rashard I think who sort of championed the cause of getting Byron Jones over the cornerback after playing safety for the last few seasons but Byron Jones, we knew this all along, you know, marquees Goodwin the San Francisco forty Niners wide receiver had Olympic themed celebration. And then I felt boundaries touchdown Byron Jones, not necessarily an Olympia, but certainly supreme athlete. We've known that for a long time now and you think about that system, how Ranji is how fast is how athletes is everything that he can do. He was built to play cornerback a wonder why he wasn't playing at all along. But he is playing at an elite level. And the only guy that is really lost two and not even really lost to that much was the Andre Hopkins in Houston is one of the best wide receivers in the NFL. So Byron Jones is just playing at an incredible level, and I really really good for the Cowboys to see their top cornerback playing. Well, you know, we all kind of thought that she'd obey who's day was gonna come into this season and be the guy was going to be v. dominating corner that maybe Byron would be playing catch-up. You know, Byron even talked about this training camp, how a lot of times he has to top the Cheeto has to ask questions and they learning from each other because she has technically been playing corner longer than Byron has. When you consider the Byron was playing safety for so long, but Byron has come in and become the top cornerback on the Dallas Cowboys. It's weird. You know, we're at this place where the Cowboys have this elite defense and these great linebackers. These great pass rushers and the Cowboys have one of the best Cornerbacks in the NFL. When was the last time that was, you know. That was true, very, very, very, very nice to see the Cowboys having Byron Jones playing so well, all this all this greatness last week, specifically with the Cowboys in the Jacksonville, Jaguars four to seven leads to an inflation in confidence. And we've been tracking confidence all season long over Espy nation with a handy dandy tool called fan pulse. And you look at this. If you're watching those live, you can see our graph Cowboys. Confidence has risen after every win this season. It's dipped after every loss kind of the way things tend to go in the world of sports. But the Cowboys had the fourth largest bounceback this week. The Cowboys fans, I should say are twenty six percent more confident this week than they were last week and last week after the loss of the Houston Texans, the Cowboys were at a season low five percent when it came to their confidence in the future of their team, the direction of their team as we wanted in the poll avocados fans. It's kind of good and you look at this. I mean, they're not quite at their season high. The highest the Cowboys have ever felt in terms of confidence this season was before it began, but they're climbing and I think that I think that that's interesting to examine. I think that that's interesting. The note when you look at the Cowboys or three and three, they have not been on the plus side. If I've hundred so far this season, they had not won two games in a row. They have not won on the road. If they win in Washington, they'll check off a lot of those boxes. I mean, they'll pick up another division. They'll be to know in division they'll be wanna know on the road in terms of division games, they'll have won two games in a row have won a game on the road. They'll really kind of go into the by week with an enormous amount of confidence and look are the Cowboys gonna win the Super Bowl this season. I don't think any one of us believes that for a second, but I think we all think this team might be finding itself. I think that's as far as willing to go. I don't know that we necessarily think they're finding themselves, but they might be falling finding themselves fallen themselves. Cow. Boys fans, I think are really starting to feel feel open to the idea of feeling good about the team. But I think what's interesting if you look at Redskins fans, Washington Redskins. Again, the opponent for the Dallas Cowboys this week, they actually dipped in conference. Redskins fans are actually less confident today, following a win against the Carolina Panthers than they were last week. So the fact that the Redskins even one did not make Redskins fans feel any more confident in the direction of the team, which that's a very interesting thing. When you look at at Redskins fans, I mean, you would think, you know, people say winning cures all when it comes to the NFL when it comes to sports in general, but not for Washington Redskins fans, they are apparently still miffed and still upset and still irate, instill complaining about something. Maybe that's just life as a Washington Redskins fan. We wouldn't know that obviously, styles Cowboys fans. But however it goes. So you know, things are. Are are progressing, it's Wednesday or moving on. I know that Stephen Jones was on in rapid ports podcast. I'm sure he said some interesting things. We'll have that covered for your blood in the boys dot com. Get ready for Thursday. We'll have our week. Seven picks on Thursday's episode of Ocho live. I can't believe already we seven, but but yeah, let's do this whole thing again tomorrow. Same time. Same place. You know what? Twitter, periscope. YouTube live. The blood of the boys. Facebook live feed three o'clock central time on Thursday, October eighteenth between now and then make sure you have the absolute best Wednesday night of your life and the absolute best Thursday morning of your life. We will see you many outta my friends as always go Cowboys. MP. MP. Everybody to tell chief of the verge. I host podcast every week called the verge pass. My friends, Paul Miller, indeed, or bone. We've got a rotating cast of characters from our entire site, which is about technology, how it impacts culture and how that is all a big cycle that causes us to have a wide variety of feelings that you can listen to. Every Friday we've done over three hundred ups, odes and six years since avert has been around, but you'll need to listen to one the latest one to get caught up on everything. In tech news, virtue is on apple podcasts, Spotify ever. Also listen to podcasts, check it out.

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TLH084: What is a DiscipleNow?

Youth Ministry for the Longer Haul Podcast

32:25 min | 2 years ago

TLH084: What is a DiscipleNow?

"You're listening to longer haul youth ministry podcast Jody Livingston in Christian episode, number eighty four welcome to the longer haul youth ministry podcast, helping you survive in thrive in youth ministry at now your host Jodhi Livingston and Chris Trent. Well, hey, every body. Welcome to the show today. Thanks for tuning in and listening wherever you are. And wherever this fines you thanks for making this podcast today. A part of your day. If it's your first time listening to the show, welcome. We're glad to have you today. And if you come on back, maybe a member of the supersecret podcast grip on Facebook where glad to have you as well. The. I lost my train of thought completely. That's awesome. Saying I love it. When you missed the 'cause this is like your most favorite part of the show is when you get the, blah, blah, blah. It's just like, I just do it. It's just automatic Shono. He's gonna say you should you should request things. And yeah, subscribe shoots and subscribe stuff show knows. Yeah. So. The guy that got lost. I don't know why you got lost like that. That's good. He livingston. He is a youth pastor out in California. I'm a youth pastor in Georgia in we do a podcast on the side because we're not busy enough already. So we're like alka we really get busy. So we do this because we love youth passers and we love teenagers and Jody. I love the fact that struck me a minute ago when I heard that we're doing episode eighty four that were now in the eighties because they are the eighties were the best. I started thinking of like eighty songs, and you know, how old I was an eighty four which would be fourteen by the way loved it meant, I won't tell you. How old I was you were like three or something four. Hey, this is funny. So I was at Sarah, and I were Starbucks in the drive through yesterday. And she was we were listening to eighties on eight. XM radio. I listen to and and so I I pull up to the window and turn the volume down to order. Yep. And I and I could hear it still outside the car. Listen to what they were playing inside. My. So so I turn it back up. No. Yeah. That's it. I turn it back down. And it it's it like, it's it's not just the same song. Like it's in the same moment in the same song. Yeah. That's cool. Holi- freaked me out. Us reminded me of a story. And I'm not kidding. You this happened? I'm not embellishing this because I literally time I think of it. I remember the moment where I'm saying I'm over on Abernethy road, which I think, you know, where that is and music's crank in and I think if I don't if I'm remembering right? I think it was Durand ran on the radio plane. Remember that is because we pull up to a red light in its Blair, and in my car, and it's one of those, you know, like the reflex or something, you know, when you sing along to and I look over to my left in the dude driving the car is clearly singing that song. He was like he was listening just happened to be listening to the same radio. And I was like windy. Look, I gotta sing the song. Listen to it. It was the greatest thing ever. That is funny. It was weird man. It freaked me out yesterday. I was like that's craziest thing it was one of the just it just took me a minute to figure out what was happening for real. Right. That was good. Yeah. Man. But what we do. You were going to talk about social media. You find a song Chris Trent or Jodi Livingston out there, the long haul where my my space pages and. Kidding? And. I'm just taking over since you didn't know what you're doing. And usually talk about nice to show being the things. Shura realis-. Second grab show notes episode longer haul dot com slash episode zero eight four I will tell you this. I am super appreciative of one group of folks that is the Georgia Baptist mission board folks, we're friends with them. They used us for some things, and we're super appreciative of those folks for just supporting our podcast, and they do have you can go to Stu mystery network dot com to check out things that they offer as well resources. But we also have is amazing sponsors helping us out for a while the folks over at why sixty yeah. Some you use them for some stuff, right? Yeah. Bunk. Tons. Yeah. So they have it all baba said a curriculum student devotional is disciple now resources youth leader development summer camp in new book coming out by the summer by what me so. Leave. It went to see it. Hey, the hurt that was a little bit. That was a little since a Molson's. I wrote some the other day. I actually got about I got off my I actually opened a back up and got back in. I'm getting close. Yep. So go to their website use the wind through six dot com and use longer haul for twenty percent discount there as a promo code and indeed Yemen. So hey out of curiosity from time to time, you know, we throw out resources things we're working on that kind of stuff. Are you reading anything right now that somebody might benefit from? Yeah. So as a team, we're re I'm rereading. The team is reading clay Scroggins book. How to lead me you're not in charge. He if if you've been listening for while you remember Klay was on the show. Man, doesn't that say that's probably one of my favorite. I mean, no joke like it was so good. So you should definitely go back. And listen, we'll have linked to that. And show notes that episode as well so rereading that reading love thy body in as part part of that what? Yeah. It's year reading this book. Stop. We're in Walt Mueller's. Radio discussion I ever eaten it too. But I just thought I'd take advantage of that comical you saying also reading love thy body the they body. It sounds like a like a workout book like dieting book like that's when I when I saw that on the list. I was like what? But it's actually not at all it. It's it's blowing my mind. It makes my head hurt. It's super get your further along than me, though. I think right. Yeah. I'm in chapter life four or five and I'm excited about reading it number one because it's a challenge for me. And. And if you would've asked me before if I felt like I had a decent understanding of issues related to homosexuality. Euthanasia abortion, the hookup culture out of said. Yeah method. I have a pretty good grasp on that. Let me just tell you. I don't know like in. And it is it has I feel like it's bringing me up to speed on some very ritzy. It's a challenging read for me. Because the lady who writes it Nancy Percy is solid in good. But it has already influencing a couple of things that that I've been doing from a teaching standpoint, it's just solid man. It's good are highly recommend. These are all these are all issues that our kids or I mean facing huge, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's good, man. Yeah. I I agree. It's good. Just get up put a link to the book in the show notes pages wall. Yeah. Yeah. I it's fascinating. I mean, she's a former agnostic, and and so she she's she handles all the subjects strongly. Well, very thorough. This kid is challenging for. Sure. Good good. Yeah. And then I'm also I'm also reading the like the Bourne ultimatum. That's good though. Yeah. Like other stuff from Tom. Do you do a reading list? I don't a lot of people do a reading list, I them in the past have a reading stack of books. Yeah. You know that that I go through. I normally do have a list I didn't do when this year. Just because there are so many books that I have that I wanna get through. And so I'm trying to push through. I only read one book at a time. But I am reading two books at a time right now catching so it's, but I don't really have a list per se. It's just again, it's a stack of a few books that connects Tena Paul why kkob out next. I've started out pretty strong this year. We'll see how finish. But I'm I think I'm like four books in so far. But I like to read well, I say I like to read I've I think that's a discipline. You build I've built a discipline that I enjoy learning. And so, but we'll see I mean summer's coming. So. Yeah. For real. Yeah. This. I'm reading love that body is well, you know, same time you are. And I'm also reading a book called the culture code the secrets of highly successful groups, it's you know, it's not a Christian book order, which I don't know that matters in the last episode. We talked about magic so. Yeah. True. But I'm rita's book because I have a responsibility now of creating culture in Oman team. You know, so I'm just handed kinda learn a little bit about some of that. So it's great book. You know, I think it would also even kinda in pack. It's impacting the way, I think of my volunteers as well. So what what's the name of it, the culture code the secrets of highly successful groups, what's great about as it's a fun read because this guy, basically studied culture of all of these like companies and seal team's in it. So it's it's pretty there's some great great. Stories like it's a fun read as well now. But it's also like, okay. So that's how they you know, are so good at that. So no, it's good. Those are the two that are currently like I'm reading but those at the same time. I'm also listening to Francis Shans letters to the church as well, which is like this over and over again there were moments lack of who my gosh that the say that. But it's good. It's good fan of that. Audible. Damn a huge fan of audible like I Abbas short commute. And it's a challenge for me. Because I I mean, ten minutes to work. You know, if that sometimes it's like five, you know. So it's like. Yeah. Yeah. Gets so big topic today again like we say that every week but sid Goodwin. Yeah. What the heck is the sample now? Like what the heck? Yeah. We did his great interview with John Massara who is kind of the master d-. Now, you may hear say de now which is just short for disciple. Now, we call it d- now in our culture here. But he's just sort of the guy that has done a lot of work with that. Yeah. And and that's basically if you're if you're new to youth ministry, I've never had that where you just in a culture where that's not around. I think it's basically just a focused weakened of discipleship with your students, and we talked about he talks a little bit about that. But yeah, I think two things one if you do them already stick around to the end because he gives a current idea that is huge, very helpful. So I think that's big. But then if you don't know what disciple now is at all in your looking for potentially something fresh new, you know, that would be fresh new to you. This might be something you might consider. There's no like you gotta do it exactly this way. But you could take the ad is a more Felman to something that you could use. So now, you did you don't do Nina house at the current church. Although you're thinking about doing later if I remember correctly our couple years looking at, but but prior to being where you are now denounce play a huge Barnier ministry, right? Yeah. For sure. Yeah. We've done them. They've looked different. We've done them everywhere that we've been I love a man, I I think they're super impactful super impactful, and and if done well, not only not only just impactful, but and they really kind of get a lot of momentum. Depend on when you time it in your years. Well, it's big outreach opportunity. There's a lot of benefits to it for sure. We I it's the biggest outreach event that we do. We're a little bit different around here from we do it in the fall. Yeah. We I prefer to do it. It's impacted by football games. But we think the cost is worth it. You know from that standpoint, but hands down from a introduction to our student ministry kids getting the hear the gospel and just the concentrated weekend way. It's huge for us. And so it's become part of our our DNA. So we love it big time. Yeah. Some folks doom in the spring we've done them in the spring. But my favorite is is is the vault. We in fact, we think you not used to do on the same weekend because we were always trying to get leaders. Now, we were refining for leaders at times. Well as much of a fight you just one. But I I liked that first beginning November that time change weekend. Yeah. Yeah. That's mainly because there's a time change that way. Good week. And it's and it's kind of past all the. You know, a lot of the marching band and football stuff is kind of winding down at that point. Yeah. For real good. Yeah. That's cool. Man. Well, this is a good one. Take a moment. Check it out and John's great guy friend both wires in the swat. We asked him because we trust them. And so here you go. Please future presentation. All right. We're super excited have Jonah massare hanging out with us here. This morning it con- Cleveland morning show with rhythm. Always a pleasure to hang out with you guys recite because he's got his coffee, and he mended that you're coffee lover matter of fact, I remember one thing about sure what is that like special coffee? Yeah. Yeah. Dude. It's called unstained believable coffee. Yeah. And you love that's the best coffee on the planet. Yeah. So John is a expert no pressure L. Thanks. Thank you. Yeah. Johnson expert in D now, so d- now some of our listeners are going to immediately know what that is. Right. It's some of our listeners are gonna go like Jodi just had an experience he's in California now, and you want to rat after people there is that weird to tell her, but we're having this conversation about like putting on kind of a student event or conference, right? But what if we made this kind of a disciple now thing and it's blank stares like foreign language? And so I'm just talking and then at certain point, I realize this the blink stare hasn't changed. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Everybody know what I'm talking about. And they're saying, no, no, no. And you know, what though in all honesty. I remember because I grew up in a really small church. We didn't really do disciple now. Yeah. And I remember becoming a youth pastor really young and and going to conference like this and hearing people talk about de now, and I'm like, I don't know what that is. But I'm gonna play along until I pretend. And so I think I told Jodi missed opportunity when he was telling us friends of California, he should have been like this idea came up with. This totally made this up. Yeah. Yeah. So I wanna get into what let you kind of tell what you think that is kinda talk. But further where you're from. And how you got into doing what you're doing? And how do you split role? And all that I grew up in Atlanta ended up at UGA going to the ghetto university of Georgia. And while it was there ended up meeting a guy named Alan Jackson. Who's actually standing over there over there? Screw this up. Exactly. Exactly. I can't mess this up. Matt Allen Jackson at Dunwoody Baptists, doing a youth intern ship thing for the summer and saw the deal model there and was like this is really really cool. And that's all the impact it had on the students in the way, the Lord use the leaders and just what did it what happened in that Friday through Sunday event was really life changing for. Yeah. Let's give our best candidate for someone who who is listening. Let's do it quick version of what it really is. Like, what did he actually is discipleship intensive relationship building life changing weekend? Yeah. Yeah. In words. I mean, it starts on a Friday through Sunday. Most of the event happens in host homes where somebody like you guys would be like had love to have ten middle school guys over and up my insurance policy, and you'd have one to two leaders in there, and those leaders would spend the weekend really role modeling Christ and role modeling what a relationship with Christ looks like and how. Plays out in today's culture. So how can I do that with my family and my friends when I when this is over on Sunday. The tricky part about describing I think now is truthfully. I guess being in the south where we know that everybody do their everybody. Does there's a little bit different. Right. There's there's freedom. So there's not like a one approach is the only way you can do it. But I think I liked what you said intensive is the key. It is that you're saying, okay. We're going to do so much. We do a thing on Thursday night. Right. And then we do Friday Saturday Sunday morning Thursday night thing anymore. They'll just start off on Friday night. But the key is that the kids come for the entire weekend. Typically, I think one of the secrets on the sauces, the stay in homes like you mentioned. Stones church that had the kids over y'all. You bring in that leader that some type of curriculum. Everybody's doing the same thing, and they focus on that. And and they end up spending a whole weekend in there. That's where there's flexibility to help people meet up at the church one part or dome. Eat a church or they do a wreck on Saturday or not do recreational and Saturday, but the great news is there are folks out there that if you're doing this for the first time. Yeah. There folks out there that can help guys like John Massari. You ended up created a ministry out of this. I love what you do in two ways. One. You really do help. Equip the local church to pull this kind of stuff. All right. But you're also in the same moment, you really are impacting generation X generation of college students by disciple in them, right pairing them because you've got a team of folks that you can bring in your kinda give us a little rundown on on what that is real quick. I thought when I was that Dunwoody Baptist saw the DNR model. Like, I said, and then at the time most of or just about all the the deals were led by adults than I really felt like the that students could do a better job than adults leading these. And so literally brought in some high school students to lead. My I d now out in cobber Baptist for fifteen students and those students coming in teaching students this made a huge huge difference that took off and now we're doing our swat weekends all over the world. Eighty college students on staff that we're training developing disciple. Ing. You know, they're going in and really making huge difference in these students lives. That's awesome. So wait. So what I want? What I hope people are hearing to that. Like, this isn't something for a massive group. This isn't right. No, exactly, regardless of the size of ministry, the denial model is scalable, and I know a lot of churches even will come together and area-wide really popular Saipan. Now think too. So regardless of your budget, regardless of the size of your group. Whether you're in the middle of nowhere. Whether you're in more urban environment, you this model scales and flexes to fit. No, it does our our our average weekend is probably seventy students. I mean when you go to Chris Trent you've got a thousand but still hey, we don't. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's just Chris. It's not just for you know. Happen. He pulls him out of his that somewhere. They all show up. Do we can't you know, one of the best stories of denials? We talked about the other day came from your weekend. I got a call from one of our leaders at midnight. He's like, I'm with our host parents. We're praying for these students middle schoolers like they are completely out of control. We've watched them in a bedroom. And. Gonna say he was like, oh, like pray. We're praying for these students. We got some leaders that was the call was at midnight. Spend some time praying the next morning. I got a phone call from my leader, your host parents saying these students are completely different this morning and that night, they went to a waffle house and those students that were super challenging on Friday night. We're sharing the gospel at waffle house people. So now Jesus by him see there. Yeah. Well, they went to house from J Perry and waffle house has a lot to do with it, actually and coffee. That's really cool gets quick idea. Here. Let's jump in for a second. So one thing I do love about John's. You do have the opportunity to see how a lot of different churches are taking this type of weekend and morphine it in two different things. Right. They're doing it different ways. Maybe just touch on a few things you've seen recently. Maybe not new ideas per se. Maybe they are some things that you feel like are really being successful. And some of the homes are some of the churches just some keys as for as hey, man. This church is doing this winter, and it's awesome. And maybe also just touch base just for a second on the area. Why thing because I think that's it. Nobody's thought about that. That's right. Yeah. Know the area while area what I l let's do that. They're wiping is huge. And we we lead an area wide in Clinton Alabama for three four hundred students for probably sixteen years. It was at through an association there, and you would have a church bring four students. Yeah. And then another church brings sixty right? And so those churches in those students all coming together, the synergy on that Friday night and Saturday night, and then they would do recreation on Saturday afternoon, sometimes they'd be mission projects, but getting those students together with so energizing and so encouraging because it was like, hey, we're not alone where two little bitty church somewhere out in the middle. Of literally nowhere, but we're coming together with three or four hundred other students they were able to build relationships with these other students and also see that many students worshiping and like, hey, we can we can do this so back so pulling the curtain back there, the key for that is the fact that from administrative side of things in a money side of things you've all taken that synergy. Yes. And you brought all of this church is together. So whereas you may have sized budget that you could never afford to go out and get a camp quality. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Mus- whatever musician. Did you say magician? Yeah. What is that? The BUSTER, and I'm just so. Yeah. Or a magician, you know, illusionist, but if you bring everybody together, and you're bringing in all those resources together, you definitely can pull that off that that's the key. You can find the church that has the bigger the bigger. Or whatever, you know, you gotta Swahli product a little bit and let that church host whatever that. Yup. But you do all the risks stuffing. Yeah. Yeah. What's the I like, what would be the first step in that? Like if somebody somebody who would be listening saying man this area. Why awesome? Where would they go? How would they begin that? I they could go to swap ministries dot com and just that's the first place. Good platform to check out. What we do how we do do it. And what we offer and they could give Thomas Davis a phone call. He's on the website and Thomas sets up our weekends and can help with all the administration. I mean, like literally anything you need for deal. We can we want to come in partner with and facilitate and help the local church minister to students. John, I know you will have to not put you on spot here and say, but even if they're not going to use what ministries you're more than happy to help somebody out in terms of giving them if somebody needs to brains and really trying to deeper this more you'd be happy up. So. No. Well. Any other ideas or things you've seen recently that are just like ball? Do they're doing this. And this thing is also one of the things that is we're beginning to see instead of a traditional speaker type model and impact three sixty has been really key in developing. This is we've been working with them on this which is get right there impact three sixty right there right in front of us is teaching instead of having a speaker per se, you have more of a of a facilitator where you have this the someone. That's speaking facilitating, but the students are in their small groups, and so he'll he or she will talk for ten or fifteen minutes, and then to the small groups you guys talk about it. And then one person from that small group, we'll we'll share with the entire group what they talked about. So you have the group learning in a large group setting as opposed to just being spoken to. There's nothing wrong with speaker, obviously. But that is beginning to give this generation some ownership. And when you watch that dynamic happened that entire room comes to life because you're giving every student in that room ownership of what's being talked about sort of like, a small group on steroids or host on steroids. I like that. Yeah. Our we're we're finding similar success on our Sunday mornings with our life groups in the same kind of deal. Yup. And I've never even thought about maybe bringing that into like the D. Now, a we're starting that in the fall of two thousand nineteen with our with our speaking. Thirty nine. And so the beautiful part about that is your leaders. Are facilitating discussion you're not necessarily expecting them the yellow John's, no, and you so you have an idea you're still tater has an idea a truth that he or she is communicating and you just toss it out to the students and say, okay. What do you think make it better? What's your perspective? They chime in and suddenly they have ownership. They have ownership in that the students do and you're valuing them by listening, and they are going to take that into some more with it. That's good. It's really fun now. That's awesome. That's I do think that takes the pressure off in a lot of ways and the does and it allow it kind of protects and keeps from the students who sit and don't engage. Yes. Absolutely. It's a lot harder to hide in a circle of of students than a big room. It is any other ones. But but that that was the biggest around at it's been the biggest one is far as students really getting it and being valued. And then they get to they get to really live that out. They get to do it. It's like they own that. So I didn't hear it. I didn't take notes in my journal. But I came up with an idea that this came out of me, and maybe a little bit scared to share it. But I did other people started saying, yes. And then all of a sudden. You know, they it's just that confidence. That's huge. Am. I right. Also in the fact, that one of things you've seen is the fact that it really, you can have a huge awesome. Well, known speaker slash band, or you can go to a place that doesn't right but God still moves in these weekend. Oh, absolutely huge. I mean, just use. I mean, and it really does our slogan is our leaders make the difference. But it really does the guys we get to. I mean, we it's tough to get on staff, and then we have an intense training program. Yeah. Yeah. Once they're out there men, they just love students, and they wanna spend their weekends loving on them as we wrap it up. John Tyga moment, tell everybody were you mentioned earlier just make sure everybody heard the working, they find you. If they want to go to swap ministries dot com. Check it out. That's our platform. And it'll tell you everything we do. And then Thomas Davis is a guy that can completely set you up with anything you need any questions. You have would love to help. Yeah. That's all I'm saying we can do thanks for taking some time. This thanks. Thanks for sharing. See by can. I just say I'm also jealous. John's hair. He does have some pretty pretty hair if he listened to that he's going to be medicine. But but yeah, no. He he does. He's he's got great hair for a man. This is true. I mean gel so people would get here. So yeah, good here. So I can't believe that's the thing. You came out with at all the stuff. It's a great. I mean, he's he's the man the guy he knows that. He's definitely the too. But yeah, his hair. He's welcome here. Hey, listen. If you if you know John could help you out Jodi knock can help you out if you're listening, and you felt enough that this is something you should be considering doing at your church, and you're like I need to do a little deeper what they're really is reach out to Jody or I in. We would be happy to have a conversation with you and give you some ideas. Yeah. Kind of unpack that a little bit more would be happening on the beautiful thing about about a disciple. Now is that there's a billion ways to do it? And so it literally will work in any context. It's not like a numbers game. Like, it's not one of those things where you'd say, oh, you have to have this many kids to do it. No. You don't or you can't do it. If you have this many kids. No, you don't that's not a we have to have this much budget or this much space building needs to be like this like, none of that matters. You make it work. And that's that's part of the beauty of it is that it's. Just it's flexible in that sense. So. That's good. Good times. Cool. We help pay. Don't forget our amazing podcast sponsor why I'm three sixty through calm. The they can help you out tons of resources, so he should use the promo code longer haul. Save yourself. Twenty percent. Also, the links and resources mentioned will be at the show notes page at the longer haul dot com slash episode zero eight four and of course, make sure subscribing join our super-secret podcast. Good burger on the Facebook. That's good. That's stuff. I should've said at the beginning. Yeah. Well, you know can't be perfect tonight Astrum. So we'll see you guys. The next episode later. Thanks for listening to the longer haul. Youth ministry podcasts at triple W dot the longer haul dot com.

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The Lightning Round Podcast: The Chargers 2020 draft class

Bolts from the Blue

48:11 min | 1 year ago

The Lightning Round Podcast: The Chargers 2020 draft class

"Who the lightning round podcasts. With your host Garrett says the N. Jamie Hoyle Charges Go Vice. Enlighten around podcast. I have pat garrison Jamie's at lightning underscore round. We are here to recap the chargers. Twenty twenty draft class. And we thought we'd do another podcast just to kind of wrap this whole thing up. It's only fitting that we did a preview show and now we can just wrap up this draft season and talk about the chargers. Six draft picks. So let's just jump right into it. The chargers did not trade up. They did not draft a tackle. They did not draft a corner. They stayed Pat and selected a quarterback. It ended up being just an herbert at six. Yeah I think we all knew. It was going to be a quarterback in this draft. The kind of had to be drafting the top ten. You're kind of in a position. Where if you've got a quarterback that's you know got a top ten grade. Maybe even top fifteen grade. He gets pushed up the board. Because if need and you know I think most of us I know you and I definitely wanted to a didn't happen but In terms of Herber I think after going back and kind of getting over the initial disappointment of not getting to a and watching some extra film on Herbert. I watched the ten of his games over the weekend to try to get a better handle on what he was about what he does. Well and how the the team might be able to help him and I think what they got is obviously guy with the huge frame athletic. He can move. He's got a big arm I think he can make some. Nfl caliber throws He shows the ability to make some do want throws it's not consistent but it is there He can drive the ball into tight windows for sure. I think there are some inconsistencies. There which you might expect to some degree from certain quarterbacks but I think all in all when you look at what he does really well I think he throws the ball in the middle of the field extremely well particularly within twenty yards. I think once he starts trying to drive the ball down the field of the perimeters at times he starts kind of aiming and and guiding the ball almost like he's afraid to miss Not Unlike what Lamar Jackson did. When he was coming out of college he had a tendency to try to aim. Ball's a little bit and miss on deep balls and his his coaches fix that. So it's certainly something that can be fixed with improve working. Kind of maybe getting out of his head a little bit and trusting himself a little bit and trusting his athletic ability and trusting his arm. He certainly needs to learn how to get through his progressions. Little bit better but I did see some improvement in that way. I saw him look. Send people off you. Some pump fakes to get guys open and come back to his primary read in a senior year so. I think there are things they can work with. I think there are ways. Certainly that they can help him be more effective Things like getting the ball out quickly Lot of tunnel screens loaded bubble screens A lot of high low reads simple reads fewer option routes And really just trying to keep him in a rhythm because I think he's at his best when he's in a rhythm and he hits the top of his drop and he gets rid of the ball so they can help him with that and get the ball quickly. I think he could be more effective If you you certainly don't want him sitting back there going through four or five. Six reads holding the ball for a long period of time. I think you're GONNA see more three and five step drops as opposed to the seven step drops we've seen and I think you're gonNA see them really. Try to help him by creating larger passing windows in the middle of the field which is something I think they did a good job of giving themselves a chance to do with some of their later. Round draft picks will talk about so all in all. I think there's an opportunity for him to be successful. I still don't know that he's going to elevate a team but I do think that they can help him be successful and he can help them win games as part of a successful offensive unit. It's not going to be as quarterback driven as we become accustomed to seeing. I don't think at least not right away so I think once you get over that initial disappointment. I'm not getting too. I think you realize they have a pretty talented kid there. There's a lot to work with. There's also some things that need to be improved upon but You know in the top six. You don't want to be back there again. He they had sounds like they had him ranked right behind as as Simmons. They had herbert ranked as six player with both of them on. The board quarterback took precedent. And it's kind of hard to argue with that approach. Yes they had simmons higher than Herber in fact the board according to what I heard it was confirmed by another source so Pretty confident about this. The chargers had Joe Borough. I chase young second the tackle Andrew Thomas third the linebacker. Like you mentioned Isaiah Simmons at four to five in Justin Herbert at six because the importance of picking high needing a quarterback they end up going with Justin Herbert over Simmons. So you guys know how we feel about Justin. Herbert we talked about it. On the last podcast. But we know that he's got the physical traits. He's got the big arm. He's got great size. He uses feet to extend plays which is going to be a major plus in this new catered offense. He's an accurate passer. Pretty smart with the football. He's at his best when he's a scripted. Quick timing offense. That's going to be important because when you don't have a quick timing offense here's where it starts to break down. He's basically a one re quarterback he does not consistently work through its progressions. You'll see flashes of it but he does not do it often enough when pressure the mechanics breakdown. He becomes careless with football. You've heard all of that. The chargers drafted Herbert six. Let's talk about what the chargers needed to do to help them succeed. They gotTA build around him. They got cater to a skill set. The offense will now need to be a more quick timing offense. And that's where Herbert succeeds. The offense like you mentioned cannot do what they did with rivers no more five to seven step drops. It's gotta be a quick timing offense. You got include some rpo packages in there. You can get Herbert on the move attempt to keep defenses honest and also give Herbert more spacing concepts to spread out a little bit. I also think if they hurried to the line gets the line fast knocked the ball quickly. That can help. Get the offense in rhythm. Herbert isn't a quarterback that usually check line anyway so rolling right into plays will definitely help Herbert in this offense. So you heard on the podcast leading up to the draft. We didn't like Herbert but he wasn't worse. Case Scenario Jordan Love was pick is super exciting. But it's fine the players. Okay you know. Obviously we would like to a or some other players. There is as soon as what even been exciting. But because you're picking so high and you figure you won't be picking that high anytime soon. Go and try to get your franchise quarterback so from that you understand it. Herber ties in. College are so so exciting. He wasn't consistent enough with it but let's hope if they catered to his offense and hopefully play to his strengths in Taylor. Make this offense to Herbert. You'll give them a good chance to succeed and we should see a lot more highs than we did lows like we didn't call it. Yeah absolutely I think you know another thing that we haven't mentioned yet is I think we'll see a lot of pistol formation You mentioned the RPO kind of getting him out on the edge of the defense rolling him out to his right to get him away from whatever schmuck playing left tackle a and I think the key with him really honestly is to keep things fast so he can't stop and think because I think we're he really gets himself into trouble is when he's thinking when he's not sure what he's supposed to do with football it seems like there are times where he's rolling to his right and he's almost thinking about what has worked needs to be to get rid of the ball instead of just playing and reacting and. I think almost all of his problems are about him being afraid to miss about him being afraid to get his foot work wrong and I think that's why he can look mechanical sometimes almost robotic so I think they can smooth some of that out and just tell them hey look we believe in you. We drafted you. Were building around your your our guy like we're not looking to replace you. Just go out and prove right. Just go out and make plays do do what you've been doing your whole life. Get out on the edge of the defense be athletic. Make those plays with your arm make those throws because you can make all those throws. Don't think about it so much and I think that will help quite a bit with him. Then you know. We talked about some of the manufacturer touches some of the different types of screens. They can run. I think you're GONNA see a lot of concepts like what What Baltimore did with with Lamar Jackson? This year I think they're going to try to establish the run. He's very effective out of play action. So I think they're going to do a lot of play with him. I think what you're going to see is a lot of attempts to challenge the seams of the defense. I think the more he can throw to to to weapons into targets that are more or less right in front of him. The more effective he is and the more he has to push it. Outside of the perimeter. It's not that he doesn't have the armed do it. It's it for whatever reason. He looks mechanical doing it. So if they can kind of narrow that field and key players right in front of him where he's throwing the ball. I think he's going to be a lot more effective early on and then obviously as he goes on and as he develops they're going to have to use more of the field but I think they can get away with you know some of those rollout passes that Baltimore did with The Jackson this year you know. Bring somebody from across the field kind of being underneath the roll out to the right just dump it off it winds up being a throw outside the hash mark but it's really just an extension of the running play things like that opportunities to just get him out. Get Him in the space get playmakers into space and get the ball on their hands as quickly as possible. So that he's not being asked to stand in the pocket and diagnosed through you know progress through four or five six progressions. I don't think that's going to help him right now. Yeah and I think Oregon's aligned in a lot of favors. There's a lot of time and I think once he was here in that third read four three to five seconds six seconds of started to all speed up way to fast and get a little panicky. I also see a lot of misdirection here too. You know with the receivers that they got especially this fifth round pick which will talk about. I think there's a lot of opportunities to do that. And kind of with the RPO and the misdirection. Some jet sweeps we can reverses the bubble screen. You're talking about. There's a lot of stuff they can do with Herbert. And I think this coming season we're going to see what Steichen is worth because we don't know that he can catering offense to Herbert strength. We don't know what kind of offensive coordinator he's he really is. And now he's got a whole project this this quarterback bill from the ground up. So it'll be interesting to see if he can really tailor. Make this offense towards thurbers strengths yet. I'm not sure how much of Herbert we're going to see on the field this year. I just the feeling that they're going to really try to lean on tyrod as long as they can as long as he's not hurt and he's not costing the Games are going to ride tyrod as deep into the season as they can but tyrod herber or similar a lot of ways they have a lot of the same skill sets they have a lot of the same limitations or not limitations but they have a lot of the same things that they don't do as well as you would like to see them do So I think we'll get an idea of what's Daikin's building in terms of an offense this year by what they're having tyrod do. 'cause Robert can do a lot of those same things and I think they really gave us a window into what? They're trying to do what they're planning to build by what they did on day. Three of the draft with three of those four picks which we're going to get into here in a minute. Yeah but that's exactly right even if Herbert doesn't see the field they're still going to be doing that. Same type of offense. Yeah tyrod Taylor. So so. We'll get a look at that pretty quickly with Steichen. Let's go ahead and move on to the second pick which happened in the first round. The chargers traded their second and third round picks to trade out for the Oklahoma linebacker. Kenneth Murray and he is a rangy athletic linebacker. He's a powerful tackler displays. Good tackle technique. He's really enforced from the middle of the field. He's got one gear showed progression ever year in college which is great watched a bunch of him over the weekend a his movement silence sideline probably up there with some of the best of this linebacker class. He looked so good. Go and sideline to sideline also an excellent blitzer at the position. We saw a little bit of that Oklahoma. Hopefully we see that with the chargers with things that were a little worrisome lacks awareness zone coverage while wasn't asked to run and cover much his instinct. Leave a lot to be desired. He was also really productive in college. He had three hundred twenty. Five total tackles thirty six and a half tackles for loss nine and a half sacks to me. There wasn't a ton of splash plays no interceptions only one force fumble but a ton of tackles you and I talked earlier. You had mentioned a Lotta tackles near behind line of scrimmage so Kenneth Murray will be the probably the will next to drew tranquil where he's going to be really good as run-defender use quickness defend that short passing game. I think there's some versatility there he. I think he could play. Auto Mike or will depending on the package chargers just banked on the second most athletic linebacker in this draft behind. Isaiah Simmons and they traded up to get a Murray had the elite score of nine point. Nine out of ten so Soup breath letting explosive. The tools are exciting. Some of that short cutting shortcomings look like they can come with time. He's athletic enough to cover. He just isn't there yet. He's physical but he doesn't really take on. Blockers Atlanta scrimmage with regularity so well. He doesn't do it he certainly capable of it. He's the athlete to do it. So the potential there for Kenneth Murray I think the development is going to be crucial. You might see kind of an abbreviated. Roll your one. You might be a first and second down linebacker to begin. The year might take them off in third down passing situations. Hide him a little bit. Have the DEZ. King Drew Tranquil. Package there on third down nickel and dime but Murray's exciting. He's athletic and they definitely got an upgrade and they're running. Thomas Davis out there last year so without a doubt this linebacker core got better by drafting. Kenneth Murray Yeah. I think we're all a little surprised when they traded up it was a linebacker and it wasn't queen and it wasn't queen. Yeah and then. It wasn't an offensive lineman make a lot of people. Were probably expecting offensive Lineman. They're I wasn't necessarily but a lot of people were Yeah I mean you said it. He's he's a great athlete. He is a triggers quickly. He he diagnosis and triggers extremely quickly. He flies down. Hill does a great job of shooting gap. You can see him. He's got short area quickness to avoid and slip by tacklers when tacklers able to square up. Which doesn't happen that often. He does kind of stick to them but he's got the length and the strength. I think to be able to learn how to shed those guys as he learns some hand technique and things like that He is able to range sideline to sideline one thing. That I noticed is that when he's ranging sideline to sideline he can be a little overeager. Maybe even a little undisciplined in his pursuit angles are a little shallow. And he actually winds up getting beat to spot and not making a play should have made because he's underestimating. He's either underestimating the other player. Or He's overestimate he's he's just overeager just a little bit undisciplined I think those are things that hopefully you can coach out of him. Get Him to be a little bit more patient and take a little bit better routes. He'll make better plays A byproduct of some of those you know overly aggressive routes is he winds reaching for people and tackling making arm tackles and some cases even grabbing guys by the shoulder pads or by the back of their their naked swinging him down he winds up hitting guys too hard so. I think he's GonNa have to learn to take better angles that he's not reaching not grabbing a guys like that and I also think he's going to have to learn to guys more below the chest because if he's hitting guy up around the neck like that in the NFL GonNa get flagged a lot and that could be an issue. You mentioned the issues with coverage. He really wasn't asked to cover a whole lot. I did see him do a little bit. A man to man coverage underneath taking backs out of the backfield. He's able to cover ground. He's able to mirror I saw him pick up. Some tight ends every once in a while underneath he was able to hang with. Those guys really didn't see him he really wasn't asked to to carry wide receivers or tight ends down the middle of the field in a deepening meet areas. So we don't really know what that's going to look like and it's probably GonNa take some time for him to get comfortable with it. One thing I did notice and they didn't do. I wish I wish Oklahoma a lot more of it but I noticed. He's not just a blitzer. I think he's a pass rusher He's able to come off the edge and beat tackles. He's very flexible. He's very quick. You see him. Dip Underneath tackles hands and get home quickly He doesn't have any real hand technique to speak of as a pass rusher. No counters or anything like that but I think that's something that Grow Smith can help develop with him And actually turn him into a legitimate pass. Rusher on this defense so You know not having Third Round. Pick in a year where they had so much depth that they had to acquire hurt. But I do think this is good football player and I definitely did not give him enough credit for being the athlete that he is when we did the livestream. My initial reaction was Oh. He's a slightly better athlete than Denzel Paramount. I think he's a much better athlete than Denzel Perryman and he's a much better fit for the modern day. Nfl THAN I think any of US really gave him credit for on the livestream when we talked about it at the time that he was picked. Yeah Denzel Perryman comment was pretty hot when you made it on draft day but I made I made a comment about Murray being enrolled school linebacker and I got some heat for an well. Obviously there weren't any old school linebackers that were the type of athlete. The Kenneth Murray was my comment was regarding his play style. He's thumper he's a run game specialist but wasn't asked to cover much in college. That's the old school linebacker mentality. Physical big downhill. That's kind of what Murray game is and again like I mentioned. It's not that he can't cover. He just didn't and the instincts were there because he wasn't asked to do it a lot. So obviously he's got the athleticism to succeed if they can coach him up. And obviously he can shed more blocks scrimmage if it gets more physical but he just didn't do it in college so while he's got some of those old school linebacker tendencies he can obviously succeed in today's NFL. If chargers can coach them up. So let's go ahead and move on. Because the chargers traded their second round pick and third round pick so they were quiet all day to go on a date three and they select a running back. It's the UCLA running back. Joshua Kelly Kelly is a guy who ran a four four nine forty at the combine I wouldn't necessarily say he plays to that speed on film He's more of A. I guess you could call a power back. He's more plotter He's going to pick up six seven eight nine yards here and there. He's not a guy who's going to break a lot of really long runs. I don't think unless guys are missing. Tackles he kinda runs to contact? He will run through contact. But he's not overly lucid Catches the ball reasonably well from what I saw on. Tape didn't do a lot of it but can't catch the ball and he's a good pass. Protector They need another running back on the roster. No doubt about it. I think Kelly has the ability to contribute to this offense I think I questioned the value of taking a running back in the fourth round. I personally would not have done it before. Fifth might have even considered waiting until the sixth Just because I think well I think Kelly is a solid player. I think you can get guys like him later. And with the success. The chargers in particular have had with. Udf running backs. I think taking a guy like that in the fourth who doesn't really do anything exceptionally well and doesn't really have any particular skill sets that really stand out. In my opinion I think you're you're kind of overdraft him a little bit but I think he will contribute. He'll probably contribute some on special teams Probably help them take off the field on special teams for sure and I'm sure he will have a role in pass protection on third down and he will probably get. I don't know maybe somewhere around ten touches a game so I think you know they gotta find player. I I just wasn't real pleased with taking a back where they took them when they had so many other holes to fill this is client host of the show. Podcast in two thousand fifteen is what he was most afraid of a pandemic respiratory flu. He told me we're living in his nightmare now so I had him back on the show to ask him. What has he learned. What do all of us need to learn? How far are we from a vaccine? And what does he hope for society on the other side of this crisis? What do we need to do to build better in its aftermath our whole conversation but subscribing to Klein? Show wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everyone it's Jimmy model on the hosts feed run a new show on qube produced by the team at Polygon. Speed run gives you your daily dose of the biggest gaming and entertainment news every weekday we'll give analysis of the latest video games and highlight. Some of the best of the gaming community will cover everything from the twenty year evolution of action role. Playing Games to the breakout success of riots new Valentine's for stories like this and much more download the qube apt to watch new episodes of speed run every weekday. Yeah I think the players find the value. There is questionable. I would probably say the same thing about Murray but to a much lesser extent. I mean he's a much better player but trading up for an awful linebacker a little bit questionable but I agree here I mean. Just from Kelly's fine. He's a downhill power back frame. Strong lower-half he's more of a straight line runner with a positive vision. He's patient his whole quickly. Ucla didn't utilize him a lot. Out of the backfield. Like you mentioned you. Only have thirty eight total receptions in two years at the Bruins he transferred from. Uc Davis was a walk on a UCLA. Uc Davis. He returns kick so well. The team has guys there now. Kelly does have returner experience. He also did fumble. The ball is the kid who just puts his head down Russell. Two hands on the football Very good ball security so well. Kelly is kind of just a whole-home athlete in lacks the long speed. He's GonNa fill in as power back behind that cler Jackson. He's a tough tackle. Has the ball security so you can see him on some short third and shorts. Those gold go situations outside of that. You probably see Kellyanne. Special Teams for sure The kid loves to initiate contact. Anyways a runner so why not do it on coverage teams to so perfect fit there? You can take clear off and probably Justin Jackson who played some special teams last year so they basically did that with all of their day. Three picks is just kind of added a special team. So I'm Kelly a guy that can definitely contribute on coverage teams and. Yeah maybe you see him get five or ten touches a game not really a guy that's gonna be the bell cow. You've got to split time with Justin Jackson an awesome but they got their power back. They needed it. This running back group now has something different going for them. They didn't have that guy could grind out the short yardage Josh. Kelly can so they definitely got somebody different added? I grew. Yeah like you said. He's a power back he's going to help grind out yardage maybe you see more of him hopefully in the fourth quarter with. Leeds where they're trying to bleed. The clock can grind people down After they've already built lead But like I said. I don't think he's a guy I don't think he's anything particularly special. I don't think he's somebody that I'm overly excited about. I think you'll help. Contribute on special teams. He'll he'll make contributions on offense. He'll help them be that more. Kinda run heavy Scheme that they've been wanting to get to for a while as they're rotating backs through and helps the play action and that's kind of what you're looking for at this point. Yeah Yeah so then they go in round five with wide receiver. Joe Read Out of Virginia. He played wide receiver running back kick returner and even some safety at Virginia which was surprising when I went back and watched finished with over. Twenty one hundred yards thirty touchdowns read holes. Virginia's career yards per return with twenty eight point. Seven also broke the school record for yards per return last season with thirty three point two so obviously we know that he was versatile weapon in college. He's got good size. Really good body control when the balls in the air followed that up with really reliable hands and some pretty good open-field speed he's not really a burner but he's a tough guy to bring down so he's got a little bit long speed and he's got that lateral agility to is route. Running is fantastic especially at the beginning of top routes. Which makes him really dangerous at that. Underneath and that Downfield Threat Popper Daniel. Popper had made a comparison and a few others have to the jewelry could be the charters deebo Samuel he could. I could see it. He can line up in the backfield. Steichen can maybe manufacturer five sevenish touches. Get the ball in his hands. Just tell them to make a play. A certain wherever ginny did they just gave Joe Reno's volume touches and he may play so definitely be beneficial for him to do with the chargers offense outside of that he's gotta be returner. For the chargers he'll compete with various jennings for that job and a another guy that they drafted and he'll be competing for that wide receiver. Three with that other guy that we'll talk about a little bit later so that's GonNa be competition for Joe. Read and then the South Round. Pick but a lot of versatility here. Joe Read Fun Athlete. And kind of a nice gimmick piece here for this offense. Yeah you could almost see him playing that Jalen Red Kinda role in Oregon. Offense that that digestion. Herbert had the last few years that we were talking earlier about. The manufacturer touches getting the ball out of hand quickly with the bubble screens and the hitches and the tunnel screens and all that kind of stuff certainly can do that now. You could see Joe redoing that I think you could also see him being a deep threat. he does have the speed to get vertical. He's not you know Travis Benjamin fast but catches the ball. Yeah so I'll take that trade off every day of the week. Yep He's a tough kid you know. He steps through tackles. He's got great vision in the open field. He actually a lot of people have said he runs. Like a running back in the open field kind of weaves through traffic and find fines open spaces Catch the slant seen catch the screens. Unfortunately for him his quarterback the last couple years was frigging awful. Bryce Perkins couldn't throw the ball more than twenty yards without throwing it straight up into the sky. He was difficult insulting to other quarterbacks. Refer to him as a quarterback. Yeah he's gotTa be the worst. I mean we've seen some bad college quarterbacks he's gotTa be the worst one you've seen since wide receiver playing quarterback seriously that's literally a wide receiver playing. Hugh so I saw him. Through a one twenty touchdown pass to to read. That looked like he threw the ball. I mean yeah the apex be fifty feet high straight up and straight down and read literally had to stop and reach back over his shoulder with one hand catch it so he basically threw impove flies. Every time the past attempt it was like field in the field and pop flies in the outfield off. The jugs machine. That's basically what he was what he was throwing him. It was so bad so yeah I think we could be a very valuable piece in the offense you give them like you said five six seven touches a game. Maybe take a shot or two game with him down the field. See if you can stretch the field to take the top off the defense I think there's an opportunity there from to be effective in the offense and obviously he's a legitimate kick returner. You'd figure he's probably probably the odds on favorite to win the KIP. Return job coming into camp. Just based on the fact that I think I saw one of one of five kick returners in F. B. S. history to finish his for your career with at least three thousand yards in returns and I think he had. Would you say ten five five kick return touchdowns five correa? I think he's going to be a nice for them. Kind of like you said a gimmick a gadget kind of weapon. Exactly what they wanna Travis Benjamin to be the last couple of years except read isn't afraid of contact so a lot of fun to watch all right so let's move onto round where we at six year six with a low high. Gilman the safety at a Notre Dame. I mean obviously. They drafted Gilman to be a special teams player They may be see him as being kind of a nickel dime linebacker in the future Gilman was not a guy who overly impressive on his college tape. I think I watched four of his games They I heard Thom. Tillis go referred to him as hammer which at this point has to be a kiss of death for any charters traffic. I don't see that personally. I mean he makes a lot of tackles. But he's not really like a knockdown drag down kind of tackler. He's more of like a white guests dragged. Down is the best way to put it. I saw him blow up a couple of guys. There was one play. I don't remember game. It was that I saw him trigger straight downhill from the free safety position. Headed running back dead in the chest and take him down but most of the tackles that I saw him make. He bent over at the waist ducked his head and looked to grab the thigh or the lower leg. He's kind of ankle biter Not terribly strong. I don't think he's terribly fluid as an athlete. You don't want him at free safety. They talked about him. Maybe being German James's backup strong safety Like I said also playing that nickel or dime linebacker role. I just he to me. He's a one direction straight downhill. He does diagnosed quickly. But he's not a guy is going to change directions and even though he kind of technically flows from sideline to sideline he usually just winds up chasing guys down from behind five or ten yards downfield. When he's long sideline sideline. He's not making plays. He's just making tackles he and allow a lot of respects. It kind of reminds me of a and a die or even a A Manto not really impressive than athlete. Just kind of gobbling tackles after the player offenses already made a play. Yeah I mean it feels like the more. I watched him the thing that got him. All of his tackles was motor yet kid. That didn't quit and he put so much effort that he'd eventually gonNA tackle. He's a kid that transfer from Navy Notre Dame two thousand sixteen start. Every game was team. Captain Two thousand nineteen which plus go said was very important. Notre Dame has a deep safety in the box. He's definitely shouldn't be a deep safety in the NFL much better. When it's closer line of scrimmage He's physical likes to knock alignment in the box. I think he's got pretty good instincts. You talked about diagnosing. Pretty well showed some short area quickness but I think what holds them back is that he knows what's happening but he lacks the athleticism and I think the quickness and the get off to make any place so while he sees what's happening he's just not getting there in time and I think he's got some coverage limitations to he makes up for with that physicality and the motor. But you know. I think that these kind of held back a little bit. Just because he's kind of an average athlete. He flashes good tackling times. But the more you watch gilman the more you see him. Lunging a ball carriers like you mentioned you see him kind of lunging feet a lot trying to ankle by. He's going to compete for an extra role in that nickel dime packages to replace the whole to Asia fell plus Aziz offseason. Does King theoretically supposed to man that spot in Camp. Gilman provides depth there and also at strong safety and he'll definitely be a special teams contributor right away. He's going to be a special teams player whether it gets on the field or not is probably not going to happen. Twenty major injuries but definitely going to be a contributor on special teams. 'cause that guy. They love his special teams tenacity and motor there on covers teams. You think he makes the roster. That's a good question who is going to beat out. I think he'd beat Roger Teamer. That's the safest bet I mean if you look if you look at the safety position assuming they moved as to that safety nickel linebacker. Kinda role that gives them five safeties on the roster already and teamers the fifth which makes Gilman the sixth which means he's probably going to have to beat one if not two guys to make the roster and at that point you wanNA keep five safeties. Do you WANNA keep four. I don't know I just feel like I'm sure he'll probably win and making the roster because he was a draft pick I just feel like they might have put themselves in a position where they almost have to keep him to justify it. Because I don't think anything special I don't think he's ever going to be a guy who's on the field on defense a whole lot unless he's backing somebody up and they get hurt so unless he beats out teamer. I think he's got an uphill battle to make the roster. Yeah or they move like a necessarily corner or something. Yeah that too all right so then. Charges wrap up the draft with an exciting one is the wide receiver. K J Hill at Ohio State. He's prime to be the chargers receiver in the slot. He's got an advanced route tree as the Buckeyes slot receiver. He's got real good. Feel for finding that soft zone and sitting in the open area over the middle of the field. Put a big numbers. Two hundred twenty three hundred yards twenty touchdowns in his college career. He holds the Ohio State. Record for receptions once he gets the ball in his hands. He's elusive he's got good agility. To make is Miss Hill was also a kick and punt return. College had eight career. Kickoff returns so like we mentioned earlier. He's going to be competing with read for that. Returner role and Jennings's well K. J. Hill is not a high in athlete. In fact the year to three point one relative athletic score with poor explosion. So I kinda surprising because let's go likes these high end. Athletes K J hill is not one of those but he just makes plays. He fell to the south because of the slow forty. He ran a four six two. And there's also some rumblings about an attitude problem so I guess he must have slipped because of combination of the two. He's going to compete for that wide receiver three slot with the chargers fifth round. Pick Joe read to also battle out with Darius Jennings a real possibility Keenan Allen and Mike Williams outside Caja Hill playing the slot jewelry becomes gadget player like we mentioned that kind of receiver and running back out of the backfield. This is a really good pick. I mean the value is unreal. Here a guy that a Lotta people saw going at the beginning of day three falls all the way down to the end of the draft and chargers get him very productive player ton upside here and a big swing. They really needed to make here in route seventy K. J. Hill at a local boy too. He grew up in. La So Yeah I I think you think about. Where could he have landed to be in perfect position to succeed? You gotta think landing with the chargers where he can work alongside Keenan Allen. Further developed those route running skills. He says he mirrors is game after Keenan Allen which is something you love to hear because of how good Keenan is in terms of running his routes You mentioned I mean look. We talked earlier about the idea of working in the middle of the field. Creating wide open passing lanes making things easy on Justin Herbert. And what better way to do that than somebody. Who can run routes the way Caja Hilda's He's not fast. He's probably not going to be a deep threat. But if you're looking to take chunk plays in that ten to twenty yard range in the middle of the field up the seem that's the guy you want running routes against safeties and corners in the middle safeties and linebackers in the middle of the field. So you have him in the middle of the field. I'm sure they'll have keenan in the middle of the field of times you've got Henry in the middle of the field. There are opportunities there to create some pretty big passing windows and Make Make Very Quick Easy Reeds for Justin. Herbert and I think he kind of see what they're looking for. In terms of long term offensive scheme with some of these late day three picks in terms of the offense I. I think they obviously have a plan. It's not like I think the her pick would have been a lot more difficult to swallow. If you're looking at it and saying well they're gonNA run the exact same offense and they're going to have him make seven step drop every time diagnosed with the line you know. Hold the ball for seven seconds and try to get rid of the ball. That's not where Herbert's GonNa succeed. They clearly have a plan for him and they're trying to make him as comfortable as possible and build the offense around him instead of trying to fit him into an offense and I think that is smart and I think they're already ahead of the game in terms of doing that. Yeah Yeah I mean. They definitely gave him the pieces. We think that they could have added more. Obviously they have a lot of whole still left on the roster. They didn't address offensive tackle. We had talked about how important that was this off season while getting Brian. Balogh is important. The left tackle now for a rookie is kind of up. In the air you've got tray pins he got Sam Tevi which plus had mentioned even the possibility of having four slant playing left tackle. I mean that's all not ideal for a rookie quarterback on his blindside unless they signed Jason Peters or something like that this is again kind of last year in the last couple of years just kind of an a gross overstatement of what they've got on their offense line because this is going to be really tough there moving Justin Herbert around. That makes things a little bit easier but still passing down. We've got to stay in the pocket. You've got somebody like trae. Pipkins manning that left side. That's going to be a little tough. Yeah talking to Daniel Popper during the draft. He told me that he feels like the chargers. Think that tabby command left tackle at least for year They think he's athletic enough to do it. And they think they can help him out by rolling the quarterback to the right which would explain why they spent resources bringing in trae Turner and bring in. Brian Laga if they're going to be moving the quarterback to the right and creating those design rollouts you want people who can block for them so maybe they feel like they can hide Tevi or pipkins. Whoever wins that job by running away from them I think defensive eventually catch up to that but I think really what they're trying to do at this point. I think they're trying to buy trip a year. They know he's not ready to start this year. So we're going to try to piece it together this year. They're kind of throwing bodies at it. Kind of like what? They did with linebacker last year until they find a combination that works and they'll probably going to next offseason looking for a left tackle but it just seems like they're you know they want they want to get pipkins every chance to succeed every chance to prove them right so to speak and the best way to do that right now is to piece it together this year and hopefully he develops and by the end of the year. He's ready to be a starter and twenty twenty one because right now he's not so office attack. It was a big league on the draft. We talked about cornerback outside of Casey Hayward who is going to be cornerback to they didn't go and draft a cornerback eagerness draft what. What are your feelings on the depth chart of having Michael Davis Braden face-on maybe even a literally as that cornerback to I'd Kinda like to see Adalina competition at cornerback. To to be honest with you I have seen enough of Mike Davis. I don't really think face on belongs out there. Starting corner my opinion. He's a much better tackler Davis but I don't think he's very good in coverage so I'd like to see actually get a chance to compete in that role I think they probably went in not realizing how many how many how many draft resources teams like the chiefs in the raiders and the Broncos WE'RE GONNA spend on speed in their wide receiver groups and they didn't I guess they stuck with their plan. They weren't react reactionary and they didn't draft a bunch of corners trying to match speed with those guys. But now they're in a position where they they have one of the slower defensive backfield's in in the division and the division got a whole lot faster on offense so I think they're gonNA find out pretty quick that they help a corner. They're not very deep there. If one guy gets hurt. They're screwed and now you're looking at Casey Hayward he's what thirty two He could be a CAP casualty at the end at the end of twenty twenty depending on how he plays this year. Mike Davis is on a one year. Deal face on is not very good They just don't have a lot of depth there and they could be in a position where they're looking for two new starting corners next year as opposed to just one because they didn't anticipate the need and address it this year. Yeah Chris Harris getting up there in age too it's an aging group a somewhat slower group -serily not having the experience of playing corner since his first two years in college so You know there's there's a lot of question marks there and the fact that there was no corners drafted another another questionable move and then to me. The other one is interior defensive line. I mean you know they. They've got their three tax and tillery and just Jones court has brought. I Know Jones place on one tack last season but right now it's basically invol- Bell Joseph who's the true won. Tek and I mean to me that leaves three pretty big holes and they weren't able they doubled up on their wide receivers. They doubled up quote unquote on their linebackers. If you want to include Gilman as a nickel dime linebacker in that role but didn't end up getting three big positions of need going to this draft. They didn't address it at all. Yeah I think you would have at least expected them to address the interior offensive line. I didn't really think they'd take tackle early. And I wasn't terribly surprised and take one at all just because I think like I said they just signed a Laga and they believe in Pipkins so that I don't think they were motivated to replace pipkins yet But they definitely needed some depth in on the interior line for sure you know. You're looking at pouncey being hurt. There's uncertainty surrounding there's uncertainty surrounding Fini you don't know what they think of. Scott Quezon Berry so you would have thought they take at least one lineman if not tackle than somebody on the interior and then missing out on the Interior Defensive Line. I think they just looked at it. I'd be really surprised if we don't see They mean square comeback and the next couple of weeks. I think he'll be the guy they bring back on a cheap one year. Deal to plug a hole and provide a little bit of veteran depth and some leadership And then the corner position we talked about. I think it's a problem. I think they're gonNA come back to bite them a lot like the offensive line. Did last year survivor Williams. Another name. I like. He he played pretty good for them. Last year could be a possible death piece on the Interior. But yeah I mean you know. Can't fill every hole. Clearly I mean they only had seven picks but you know I liked some of the stuff they didn't they three Getting better at the linebacker Kenneth Murray was good. They got their quarterback not the one we wanted but they got one and there was some some good things. They got their power back. We talked about how they should have done that. Maybe a little bit earlier than we wanted. But how were you grading this twenty twenty draft class as your sprinklers? Kick on obviously as we're about to wrap this up. How do you grade this draft? I think when you look at the draft as a whole and you look at the things. They did already in the in the first draft where they draft. Justin Herbert to help him and make things easier on him I think they had A. They had a really good draft not a great draft but a really good draft and I think the failure to address the interior defensive line in the offensive line is kind of what holds back from being a great draft. So I'm going to save from a grade standpoint. You know bringing Herbert in bringing a couple of long-term weapons around him. Things didn't help him feel comfortable and making feel at home. I'm going to say I give the draft a solid b I think it was like I said a very good draft. I think they did a good job of trying to put her in a position to succeed. And I I do like the Marie pick after going back and looking at it. I think Murray was a solid pick. I think he's going to really help them. He was the most experienced linebacker in the draft class. Second most athletic linebacker in the draft class. And he's big physical and he's going to be a banger in the middle of that defense so I'll give it a solid be really only held back by the fact that they didn't address either line at all in a in an offseason thought to address both in some way. Yeah I think if the chargers and finding an offensive tackle or interior defensive Lineman or another corner this greg. It's boosted up. Because they've got a fallback plan which is great but looking at it a day after the draft. There's a lot a whole still that. They didn't end up filling in terms of the draft. They got their quarterback. They didn't trade out forum and he was one of their top six players the fact that they needed a quarterback got one that high since they had the six overall pick was good. It was the right move. Wasn't quite the quarterback we wanted but I understand it getting these wide receivers a helps him out and what he can do. Getting power back helps out. You're running back group Being able to upgrade your your linebacker core the second level Ken Kenneth Murray is good. I'm not a fan of trading up for a linebacker I just don't think it's as important of a position group to surrender a third round. Pick for it especially when you have all these other holes in the roster so I'm not that bad but still not the way I would go. I would probably give it a C plus. There's a lot of just. These are good players. Not Kenneth Murray is really good but Herbert's find me Kelly's find me the wide receivers. I like Gilman is just whatever to me so to me. There wasn't something that was so much fun that gave it just above above average to A. B. so I'm in the C plus minus range. Now if they can make some moves and bring out some veterans and fill some of these holes we can bump that up for me is a C plus get that. I think you know. You're drafting a big or not. You're grading a big unknown and Herbert. Without really Oh yeah. We don't really have the full picture right now. We think we know what they're gonNA do with them but we really don't and he's ultimately going to be the one who determines how how this draft works out for the team. Yeah and that might not and it's not be Herbert's fault. Steichen can just revert back to his game plan. He gave for two thousand nineteen inches. Give Herbert that book I. It sounds like they're going to different row they've talked about rollouts and some RPO's and stuff but you know hopefully Steichen can do that and they can cater to him and that offense and so yeah. It's it's hard to tell what quarterback Warren Again. Because you know it depends on what kind of system they're gonNA install with him right right. I think we have a pretty good idea of what they're gonNA do but we have to see them actually do it. Will they commit to it right all right? Well that's going to do it for US guys. I don't know if we'll do another podcast. Maybe some other time. Maybe some big news breaks or we feel like it but because of the current circumstances we have the time so recording. Our Second. Podcast when we said. We're pretty much done so. Thank you everybody for listening. I am at Garissa stay on twitter. Jamie at lightning underscore round. We will see next time thanks everybody.

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Talking Panthers needs and Curtis Samuel

"I just wanted to see if there's one two three four he tweeted me seven times in a row in about a three hour span. Like a spiral next from? Yeah. Yeah. I guess they're all spread out. And I didn't say anything to any of these like is just like three hours ago one hour ago. One hour one hour one hour, forty minutes. Thirty seven minutes, sixteen minutes, and I didn't apply to any of it. He just kept tweeting at me. And then and then he'll go back and delete them later. For he gets drunk. You're his year his like guilty. Text pleasure. That's that's why screen shot at it. Because the last time when he was really when he was really funny drunk tweeting near whatever he deleted it like the next day, and I was real disappointed. Three. Just. That's cute. Will. Hello and welcome to the twenty nine teen inaugural kind of season. Three hod cast of heap sounding this is Brian joined by our regular contributor, John and a special guest in Billy Marshall, our resident draft guru and film specialists. Billy, how're you doing tonight? Unto pretty well. Thanks for having me on. Oh, yeah. You'll be on plenty don't worry. And I'm sure John Heinz not gonna bother to ask them. You'll be back. If you do good job the night, no pressure. Hopefully, there's no crazy initiation. I have to go through here. Oh, don't worry. There's a lot a lot of initiation here. So yeah, we haven't really been on for a bit took a little bit of a hiatus after the. Train wreck of the end of twenty eighteen season. When the Panthers lost several games in knock themselves out of the playoffs. That was that was fun all the fun thing to go through. But now we're here talking about free agency the NFL draft the twenty nineteen season where this is the time where everything's great because every team starts out zero zero every team could potentially draft the next hall of Famer. So here we are. And the big the big news. We do have hope this is the best time of the year because we always have hope. There is hope abound on this one. So the Panthers. Let's start this off with the biggest news the week. The Panthers re-signed Eric read to a three year deal totalling about twenty two million or so gonna end up being about seven seven point seven million a year, plus incentives. So yeah, the Panthers down there starting strong safety since Billy is our newest guests what tell us what you think about that sighting. It's I think on the surface a lot of people got little up in arms about the length of the deal went of the total value of it. But I I'm usually caution against that. Because you should the full structure of the contract comes out about twenty four to forty eight hours later looking now, it looks like it's essentially a one year like eight million eight nine million dollar deal, which seems like it's a pretty low risk. You know for the team at the same time if he proves himself soon be a reliable safety in the back end than he has more incentives to raise his game. Wow. A calculated measured. Take of Eric read. I haven't seen a lot of those this week. I mean. Yeah. I mean. I think there's a lot of misconceptions like going around right now. Like, I know it all like doing this guy credence. But there was someone like Fox Sports claiming that read was like an overpaying all this stuff. But like looking at it as even those metrics on pro football, focus of like terrible. You know, I think safety play in general the league last year was relatively like like, really good. I a lot of above average, safeties graded pretty highly end and read was about me above average average area. So which makes sense like he doesn't really play like a flashy position. Like, there's a. Get a lot of make a lot of game changing plays like interceptions or forced fumbles. You know, some of the other safeties league do but at the same time. I think he has proven to be pretty reliable guy after gonna be transitioning into defense or implementing new schemes on defense. I should say I think he makes a lot of sense before I get to John's take on it. I just wanna point out that he f- f- had Eric read great in as the highest granted Panthers secondary player in two thousand eighteen. But you know, he's bad. He doesn't deserve that kind of money. So John, what do you think of this re-signing? Are you a? Union in defiance of it. Okay. Like every basically ability said getting up in arms in making a big deal about the contract. When it's just when you just get two years in total value is not. Very savvy of like, how NFL contracts work 'cause they're all basically Shams like his less than half of his contract is guaranteed. So it's really a three year like three year one year two year ten million dollar deal. And if he sucks he's gone, and we don't have like a big commitment to Ed. We know he works here as the better, the the beach, you know, because even if he's not the best safety. We know he's not terrible. And we've see what happens with other safeties. We try to sign that aren't we don't think we'll be terrible like promise to who comes in. And is also very terrible. So I think he's a good move. It's also good that he's not like, you know, seventy five and a half years old as a safety. Yeah. As under under age thirty five like, that's a that's a start might be getting some. I was just gonna say that. Chris Bryan, let the lead the. This is way over you know, you're fine. Go talk. Well, no, so like on ODI area. So. Of as you call last year read made a lot of like tackles like some offensive tackles. But also has rump stock percentage within this up almanac. Those are like like run stop percentage out those are tackles at you should constitute a loss for the offense. That's how up PF to find it. And he was in the top half league in that regarding higher than guys like Derwin James Arison Smith T J McDonald air Guadeloupe guys who you consider to be top. Even Theron Matthew two guys who considered to be like best safeties. So like each sound like it sucks like Chiapas. He does things like really well. And I think that's pretty valuable. I wonder thing he playing with a like a limp shoulder for like the last half of the season. He was here. So and you get that made it very obvious impact on some of his tackles like you could see where he was just not able to wrap up with his left arm for awhile. And so that that he's out of every sound tackler by any means. But that definitely didn't help. Needs to be considered. And what Billy said kind of leads into something. I wanted to make a point of before we move on. So a lot of people are taking what he's making money wise and comparing him to other safeties in the league in they're kinda like just looking at the average salary, but a lot of the names that Billy named were either on rookie contracts or they're actually making more this season. Like, a good example, Eric Weddell making eight point six million. He's like what forty five years old? You know, there's guys like Eric berry guys like Harrison Smith where they're making like three to four million extra this year. Where it's there's more to it than just what you're paying them from a year to year basis in like a average part of it. Like what I've been what I was arguing on on Cass crash reader was that you gotta look at this contract. In the context of that safety. Value is going to go up because this is free agency and players who players get paid. They they make a lot more money than they sometimes they should. But that's just the way the free market works. You let a guy get out into the open in the open market. Teams are out there. Offers pushes up other offers, and eventually and other one team makes the offer that breaks the Bank, but it's usually higher and Panthers fans are mad because he's making like seven point seven million per year. But we're going to see contracts out there for like probably around nine to ten million year to year for a lot of these guys were taking free agency. Just because that's how free agency works has a pay top dollar for these guys. And also there is the whole thing where the cap goes up every single year. So there's naturally with that is going to be inflation in the contracts late. We'll see what the quarterbacks every time like every the next quarterback to sign. A new contract is always a highest paid quarterback of all time because of the, you know, the they're always they're taking a breath with the same amount of cap as like previous like free agent signings. There's just the caps higher. So the values the contract in a vacuum is higher. Like, of course, agreed getting in twenty nine hundred Eric Reid's contract is going to be bigger than contract another safety comparable safety signed in twenty sixteen. That's just how it works. So I'm not trying to troll here. But like. The falcons their first round pick for two thousand sixteen other safety. Kennedy L he's offered extension this here and island does a really good job of taking care of their employers. Like, you know, usually like when they're up for extension sized him. He'll get one. And like let's say he gets like nine or ten million dollars per year. Like ADL basis is guaranteed money like bills like two two and a half years. Like, are we sure like he's that much better than Eric greed? Like ozzy's a great player. I'll give you wrong. I just a little confused like why people think like redoes is like a replacement level player. I don't know what nails. He kneeled, dammit. Excuse me. Well, yeah. That Trump has certainly one. Even that like, I I think the Panthers like they're kind of like omniscient of the fact that they be like be marketed outside of Carolina. I know some people were skeptical, but I think it was last year where there were like a bunch of safeties who didn't get signed for like weeks like trae Boston didn't get signed to like training camp. Kenny Vaccaro hitting its until like week one or something. So I think this is probably like the safety market just correcting itself after no. Pretty poor. Contracts of for them into eighteen. I also think. The other thing I think Eric Reed was the reason for the safety market last year. Like, nobody wanted to be the team to sign Eric read because you know, all the the off the field stuff. And then nobody wanted to be the team that gave like would suffer the PR hit that came with signing a lesser safety. When Eric Reed was marketing in how every time a team signed a backup quarterback. And everybody's like, oh, they signed they signed Nathan Peterman, but Colin Kaepernick still out there. And that I don't think teams wanted to be like, oh, they signed this replacement level safety. Eric Reid's out there? See the NFL's colluding. So they're just like a no, it's just we just don't want to safety. We were just fine at safety. Everybody in the league is fine. It's because. Look at too is just that Tyron Matthew coming off of a major injury got seven million in the free agent market. So I imagine that had a lot to do with how the negotiations went because they were like, well this guy, you know, may not ever play at the level. He played out again. But he got seven million. So what am I gonna get? And obviously like trae Boston probably not worth that. But, you know, go head Billy. What were you gonna say? I mean trade Boston to be fair to him two thousand seventeen he came off like a really productive year for the chargers here like seven or eight interceptions. But still I think that greed was certainly like the cream of the crop is far as free agents go and was his name the guy Kerr Coleman like two days after he was released. He signed with the saints, which I just found a little odd. Because like they already have like it influx. An influx of safeties on their team. It really helps them this year that much either. Tell. Like, it wouldn't shock me. I know Thomas Davis like alluded to the fact that you might play. But like is this a suits like videos like it went shopping at all to goes to New Orleans up in love. Former panther players. Yes. He does. He is a huge fan. So obviously we talked a bit about Eric Green. That was a huge need for the Panthers. They needed safeties. I mean, they're they're starting safeties afford this signing were Dinara Searcy aka the walking talking concussion and respond golden who really didn't prove to be worth anything in his rookie year. So that was a big need. They address Nabi Asli. I will go on. I will go out there and say I felt that the Panthers biggest need going into the draft was going to be safety they addresses somewhat so far. So I'd be I I still think they might spend the higher draft pick on safeties. But looking at the draft. Now, let's just let's just you know, wipe away free agency for a bit because we don't know how it's going to happen with the defensive end and offensive tackle market looking at the draft. What do we think is the biggest the biggest priority as far as like what the Panthers address we spent all of last week going over that Billy? I know you weren't really a part of that. So give us your opinion on that. All well for me. I think it goes into different directions. Obviously we have to see how they build the roster in agency off by for right now the draft for tomorrow. I would say that offensive line is innate specifically left guard in center. And the reason I say that is because I I wrote it in my scalp report today that I published on a general Williams is that when Cam has like a clean interior Hockett like he's such more effective because you know, despite what people want to think of him like he does do a really good job of navigating. It's stepping up to the pocket like maybe it's not like Brady or Pete manager breeze. But it's you know, definitely like top of the, and so you saw in two thousand fifteen when he had Orwell Khalil who was playing opera level, and obviously trade Turner, and they had frigging Mike remers Michael oher their tackles like, yeah. Like a blue over their faces Super Bowl, but not gonna play von Miller every week. But at the same time, you just look at it. Look at the talent that they faced leading up to that game. They faced the cardinals with clay's Campbell on. You know, their interior hand. I would take for the most part that those three guys specifically norwell Khalil and Turner hubbub for like the majority of the season. And so that really helped Cam in my opinion, become like, a lethal pastern. I think if he has declared interior like the offense can go up another level. I'd agree there. I think that that van Roden is a high level backup for sure and possibly a starter. But they could definitely upgraded the left guard position, obviously center is a problem. John. What are your thoughts? Get I think it's kind of a tie right now between the offensive line and defensive end because both were major problems last year at night. Like I could be convinced either way into one like you need to protect Cam especially coming off as injury. And also our defense is always going to be terrible. If our pass rushes anemic as it was last year, and we're only getting older on that front. So there's not like, I know there is Markey's Hanes we took last year. But I don't know what his, you know. I mean, he's what was a fifth round pick. Like, I don't know what his long term potential isn't on everybody loves FAO badeah, but he's a long way from being consistent contributor, and if Mario Addison, and if that combination plus Mario Addison are starting defensive ends next year. We'll have some problems. I would agree there. I think you're both right in the sense. And obviously one thing we haven't discussed and one thing I really don't want to discuss as Mattiello's contract. But you're you're you're banking on a lot here with Matt Kalil being healthy enough to play left tackle with Panthers. Because obviously right now, it seems like they're probably going to let Daryl Williams walk because he's gonna have a market regardless of his injury. I mean, you got teams out there who have like a hundred million caps days. They might take a chance on him. So. Now, you have Taylor Moton, and maybe Mackel as you left tackle. So that's definitely a need for sure on the. Offensive tackle side. And obviously the left side of the line fell apart. Once was you know, Frank Clark at or excuse me. Chris Clark and Kyle van Roten and Ryan Kalil his on the last bit of or Greg van Roten's sorry and Ryan Kalil on the last legs is career at center. So that's that's definitely a problem. But as far as the front seven goes to I mean this team is really defined by the front seven pass rush the front seven stopping the run. So it's kind of a difficult situation. Be in an looking at free agency. Which will let's jump into that the defensive end markets seems to be pretty good. But there's also a lot of doubt as far as what guys gonna make it to March and be free agent. So Billy, why don't you give me your run down? A who you think the Panthers could potentially go after in free agency at fence fence? Do you think that offense tackles the biggest need in the draft? Well, a couple of things to add to that in. What when I was. So what whatever tune in the past couple of weeks gonna continue doing if another week or so is because Rivera has taken control of the defense in some respects, and he's going to be calling it. I would back to two thousand ten you know, how he was calling game this afford the chargers in any even to just check to see if those same principles schematic. Plo movements are going to be similar to what he did. When he was in charge of the defense, the final games here. And you know, he's been doing some radio every other every would like a teammate on his suggesting that they're gonna be multiple burning on even fronts, which means three four four three people have been suggesting that what I noticed was. He does blitz quite a bit. He to use us a lot of overload blitzes. And now that that was interesting to me because like young his S d'etre service in two thousand ten at the chargers where someone like Antwan Applewhite who played here for like a season to cut. The other guy's name. Sean volumes are not sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Sean Phillips was want. But there was another guy named Antoine as well after the last name anyway, like our point is he did it with lesser pass rushers. But he did a lot of like disguise overlooked blitzes, which means that he would have like two linebackers. You know, head up on a center than both dropping than they would bring like nickel corner. Blessing from the end chose just a confused defensive so unthinking that. I'm not saying they are going to pass like unaddressed shirt altogether. Like a couple of guys at piqued my interest right now or Preston Smith. I'd like them coming out of the draft two thousand fifteen while he played the past four years in Washington if they wanna take a look at him. I think he'll be probably commanding somewhere in this Sunday billion dollar range. Carolina surrounds academies for the end of the top guys. I just don't think they're gonna Ford the recital. Two guys. Frank clarkin DeMarcus Lawrence silent really them admitting the market, but I got like presence would make a lot of sense. But again, you're competing with other teams who have former cap space too. So Ryan, yes, that's why I'm just not sure they're going to be able to find that different making edge rusher in the. Infrequency? I think you're just gonna have to find like will level, but guys who probably the same talent as maybe younger guys, obviously, like a west important type or Mario Addison type. That I mean, I don't really know. I said the fish market too much for the groceries that I think that's the direction they might have to go in and amid the good there is this draft is pretty rusher. So they should be able to get a good one in the second round. Hopefully doesn't. That they find a guy who can actually contribute though, goes drafted that guy from Texas figures ago. He's already off the team. Much Shawn hall, much to the dismay of many many people. Because even in the league anymore. He was saw him make a special teams tackle for the eagles in the playoffs. A place for the eagles long. Yeah. So yeah. He'd moving up in the world. On september. First. He's laid by the Panthers. He was signed to the forty Niners practice squad in a week later. He was into the Texans off of foreign is practice squad later that month, and then was waived a month later, and then the eagles signed him in December. So we we we really we really miss the boat on that one. I mean, maybe we will eventually, but. I remember that draft because I wanted in address really badly and like a couple of picks before we selected the guy really one jerk reverse will also has kind of been anonymous that's career. I think he was drafted by the patriots. I think that fourth Carolina to just breach for address relation to be reaching for. In X amount. They played across from Garrett. You know? To. No, I saw some H. This guy was like actually creating like more opportunity for Myles Garrett later Bagley Myles Garrett but went for DeJean hall. Yeah. Exactly. Shot hall think all that double teams healthcare. Yeah. Then Myles Garrett is getting like sixteen sacks as a second year player. The other guys barely in the league. It they're gonna as one career sack. So he's doing pretty well. Looking at the free agent market. There's two names. The I am looking at with twice as many songs as John Hall. Sorry to interrupt. But so he's yeah. We did. We definitely miss that. One. Yep. We miss out on that one. Yeah. There's two names. I'm looking at that. I think could be brought in. But I feel like Panthers fans are going to be mad if they do because they're going to get aid more than they this this arbitrary market value that we like to argue about. The two guys are Brandon Graham and Derek Morgan. Grande is you know, what thirty at this point and Oregon has. And Derrick Morgan hasn't really been. He was pretty good. The last two years of the titans. But it took him a really long time to even get to that kind of place where you could say, oh he's productive. So I think that maybe they will go the go that route and get because my my theory with is. I don't think Ron Rivera will go to the draft not having some kind of backup plan. It just doesn't doesn't seem to fit his coaching philosophy to be like, okay. We have Mario Addison. We have these two scrubs. We're gonna find our edge rusher in in the draft. It just doesn't strike me as something in Ron rare would do I would think he'd be more likely to convince mardi Harney to take a chance on the safety or secondary positions than or even the offensive tackle positions than to take a chance on the defensive line. So I think those are two guys to watch because they could fill in as at worst to down to down starters for the Panthers. What which would still put them in position to draft? The guy. But I think those are two guys to watch in free agency myself. So the gentleman who helped us with the help Brad with the Michael. Cap applications article who I here, we know. Now, I'm not printing up Khalil upbringing those article that you wrote Jason FitzGerald from over the cap, he. An article about the potential for address her, and there are some pretty intriguing names. And once again like when you son guys get caught that doesn't factor into the conflict. So and the most important thing as Panthers fans dumping. That's that's that's what I lived for. That's what I live for. So I would give my first born son for with round pick pick. Brian. You mentioned Vinny curry a couple of names that kind of piqued my interest this list. Here are Olivier Vernon Andre branch who I don't. I don't think Prentiss very good. But love you Vernon Robert Cohen in Justin, Houston, he mentioned Seau's. I'm assuming those three guys will get caught because it does seem like their respective teams. Take pretty good Nimitz. Save a ton of money if they cut those guys. So I wouldn't be surprised by the Justin Houston there that they're going to be a trumpet Ford, and they say fifty million dollars if they cut Houston seems like a no brainer. Houston's making a metric crap ton of money. If I if I remember correctly. Yeah. Makes sense. I mean, so. Yeah. So the Houston Quinn. I mean, they they're certainly like on the wrong age. Are there certainly like pretty old? But if he's like one or two on track with like the first year like pretty. Highly guaranteed. I think they they could be convinced Carolina, especially Quinn. He he's from those Carolina. And he went to will is he girl. I know you went to school North Carolina. But sounds like I I wanna say he's. Yeah. I mean, he obviously he's in sounds like a North Carolina name. South carolina. Okay. I don't want to spread into fake news here. But he's still only twenty eight years old, which is kind of remarkable. Because like I remember when he was in the league the Rams, but yet like Olivier Vernon and proper Quinn would probably be like two guys. I would look very closely at should they be Cup of their team. Just to to get what you guys are saying that Justin Houston, his cap it for twenty nine teen is twenty one point one million dollars and they'll save holy Shiite. It'll say fourteen million dollars if they cut them outright. So seems like a note writer. Yeah. May I like the be? Clint name yet living furniture will be. Yeah. He on gives you send that huge deal into those sixteen and mobility issue with him as he hasn't really been healthy. And. Danta Jason mentioned this article or excuse me as less, but he's I think is sold pretty capable player. But the only issue with him are will issue. I think is that he's probably gonna come in, you know, somewhere north like ten million dollars per year. But he's released. But because I mean right now he makes like Bosa fifty or sixty million which is very high. Yeah. Is is salary guide him up right now to his salary his base salary. This twenty nineteen twenty twenty s fifteen million dollars, and is captured is nineteen point five. But he made the Pro Bowl. I guess is what I'm saying. I don't know. So that's. Yeah. Well, it's got a little Astro twenty lines. Pro football reference Bauge says selected approachable. In the best shape of his life. So, you know. But yeah, I we have basically enough money to sign like one or two good players in free agency. I can't imagine. We don't sign somebody at defensive end. Just because like Brian said, there's I I I really hope we learned our lesson with just saying like we'll just draft a guy to fill in the rotate to fill out the rotation and go from there because we try that what defensive tackle back in two thousand eleven try that with cornerback in two thousand sixteen and it just doesn't really say also do not have a propensity to trade back accumulate more picks. I I the all forward if they actually like it down from there from like pick into picked up a couple of day two picks. But I just don't see them doing that. Well, it's also ever really done that. Updated last year. But it was in the late rounds. It wasn't. Yeah. It was. He wants from the third to the fourth and you picked up an extra fifth, which he used that fifth to move back up to pick up markes hands. So eventually, it can be a point. I am. I I know what trade down land looks like it's place with lots of ferris wheels. And. Yeah. Believe on there. I'll believe that they trade down what they tried down for right now. I'm just gonna say that they're going to pick at six at all. I also don't see them trading up, by the way, I think that's not doesn't unless it's for Nick Boza like he falls like to the eighth hick. I just don't see any reason to trade up on that in LA reason, he actually falls is. He did something off the field fielder. Someone's submit some type of is similar to the Larry Tunsil went through. Maybe we need to get to work on that what's going on that what's get on. That guy's. It's crazy like donor. Remember, the people who are trying to disparage Lael Collins like about how he was involved in a murder. He like went undrafted crazy because he was a target ahead for the Panthers. You know? Third round. Yes. Something like that. Because they were picking pretty high that year like twenty so I consider them up to the target. But then. Obviously that was like a year the hardy stuff, but he wouldn't even like ever suspect either. It was just like, oh, he's a person of interest because he like knew the person like the victim. And it was like, oh, yeah. It was okay. We can't have this guy on our team who knows murder victims. Can I those character concerns in this locker room? Meanwhile. Meanwhile, the Panthers draft a guy like Bowe sandland in the seventh round is the guy who might have character concerns like Collins, you know, classic Panthers right there. You know who both last played for Packers, right? I could've swore. Maybe I know. I know Scott Simonsen I could've sworn I saw picked up by undermine. Now. He wants to the cardinals. Gotta Steve Wilks. I haven't said is what the giants thing. Yes, I'm as I was thinking of science. Dave Gettleman bought one of his old. Pet projects one of his old guys on speed. Dial. F course of potential cuts that you see. Make it. Yeah. I think I was projecting Motherland's Torrey Smith baby done poll. Brian Lee phrase that was very funny. Why I don't think captain's gonna make it? Yeah. It does. Captain dislike adversity right now. We'll try to. I don't know of any. He's on. He's gonna be able to pull it out pull out of it. Now, let's see at least what two million by Saint by cutting captain. Yet. I'm looking through us off track right now. I know with Tori, s will save five million for you cut him because I've been being told that the last year and a half by Panthers fans. Just the day. We traded for him. You we've been told that we can say five million dollars by cutting him. Shack. I feel like there's a lower that this gear. They're gonna let you cut out a little bit. You're you're a bit muffled. Can you hear me? Yes. Yes. I was what else is I think they might actually extend him and that way they can lower the cap number this year because if you look at their future like capital into twenty two twenty one it's like runoff twenty perfect. Sixty five million dollars in the cap and two thousand twenty one hundred nine million though, like from my perspective. I just think it makes a lot more physical sense to. Potentially like resigned or excuse me extent, shot cops him while also lowering that cop number for two thousand nineteen obviously like get it. Like he has put up to make all those questions about whether up to droughts us. I think he's been fine. But what same with Davis gone now? I think that you probably to have Thompson entertainment. I don't expect him to mand lots of money. Probably like, I don't know maybe an average per year Sunday million dollars. Yeah. Even if he's a good player. He hasn't. He doesn't have anything. He can point to say. This is why I've earned more money than that. I mean, who's Yuccas. He's he was he was stuck by slaying. Oh, he was not playing over a guy who's like sixty six years old. So yeah. It doesn't have any leverage. And like, and I'm on the. I don't want. I think I'm one of those people not that check Thompsons bad. I think there's an issue where it's kinda hard to separate shack Thompson's abilities effectiveness as a player from you know, how little value we got of him as a first round pick just because we picked a position like the deep. We picked the player that was playing the deepest position on the team. And it just has had limited opportunities as far. So I think it's hard to separate all like production from ability type thing to this point. It's not his fault that he shouldn't have been. I think what. I think what really brought up was actually a good point though. Because James Bradbury is on the docket to Greenwich. They're going to have to resign him next year unless they side the let him go, which I think would be a poor choice. It would be a mistake. Well, is that Healy has a nine hundred thousand dollars it for two thousand. I will action else. Get a one point two for two thousand nineteen. I think you can work on an extension after free agency in the draft that way you don't type recap Rome in the beginning of free agency. I think that just makes a lot more sense. But yeah, I mean right now like. I'm curious. What you guys think you guys like I would potentially cut if our the Panthers. I would save about. Let's see. I don't want to north Thursday jareth right loss cockerel, captain, Marlin Torrey, Smith and done Tari PO which still open for interpretation you save at least two million dollars even dead cap is around six million. But the only name I will I will stand on. There is a Jerry's right only because that was the one. I really didn't. I just don't. But. Yeah, he's this argument. I will keep him. He's been the best thing since Jericho Khatri. But I think there's arguments made to be cut to cut literally everybody else on your list. I mean Searcy hasn't done shits into Kim the Carolina, and that's not entirely his fault because he's been injured. But at the same time, it's a business. It's also kind of fault because he can't tackle. Right. And that's why he concussions. So there's some of the blame. There is both of the conditions. I remember I'm getting this year. He it was because he'd just torpedoed. Another guy's head's Ross Cockrel is and Billy you, and I I know you looked over the cornerback will almanac. I bought to begin last season and calm. Yeah. He's like a perfect fit for what Ron Rivera wants to do. He's perfect off corner zone guy. I think he would be an awesome v. Carolina. I think he'd be perfect this year. If they don't address the cornerback position. Let Dante Jackson kick inside or nickel on those three cornerback situations. But at the same time. I mean, if you think that maybe Cornell there is the guy you nickel. They've been talking that whole Luke guy every preseason talk up guys like that all the time. I mean, Lorenzo Doss those kind of. Lorenzo Doss, the all pro as far as CS Argos. But I think rose were pulling onto, but I don't know if he's not expendable, I guess is the best way to put it as a perk. I got you. Yeah. He's a perfect fit for this system. But at the same time there's a lot of corners out there who can play pretty much exclusively zone and B O M B O K as well. So because that's why he didn't make with dealers, and that's why he didn't make the giants each just could only really play zone. So anyway, John what were you saying? The I mean, the only reason I say that is because. I don't know when he'll be able to return from his injury. I mean because he had surgery in like August. Really now, you know. Early in that. Well, number July thirty there was when he got hurt. Yeah. He I remember the I was actually in. I was in Europe. When the news broke that he suffered a. He fractured. His fibula. I mean. Fortunate. I get it. But I don't know. I just feel like. It's a question about whether he can come back to full strength. But. I think we're both in agreement that captain at Torrey Smith, probably two guys who are definitely odds. Especially how little we use toys Smith at the end of the year wasn't. He wants. Yeah. But he came back in. Because he came back. I want to say with like four or five games left by plenty of season left. And we're just like now, we're DJ more on Curtis Samuel. Here's right. So her two Samuel. That's that's when we gotta talk about four hundred podcast. Speaking of guys, we can keep me speaking as we can cut and save money, right? Same cheese. Yes. It's so funny. How my Curtis Samuel is. And I know Billy Billy I talked. We we message a little bit about it. And I'm not loving you into this Billy? But like there are people where I say Curtis Samuel is fine. And they're like, why do you hate Curtis Samuel so much? Like, I didn't say he was bad. I said he was bad as. Yeah. He certainly wasn't good as a rookie. I don't think anyone would deny that people denied that a lot of people denied that. They add. Yup. Yeah. That's fair. That's fair. I just think that I don't think he's injury prone. I think that the injury that even suffering injury like a heart like heart problem. A minor Harpo. He had a ham. He was on the injury report with a hamstring injury for a couple of weeks at the end of the year. Any miss some of camp before the heart murmur with a hamstring back or something and last year he had a couple of injuries. So he's had like a various different ailments and he's had a couple of different hamstring problems in the twos. He's been here. Yeah. I'm you know. Yeah. I guess it's tough because with receivers they play like a such a technical. Game. And it's difficult to kind of be anything guys that you see that barely ever get her like, Larry, FitzGerald or. Way those bigger type receivers even funchess. He's dealt with his fair share of injuries throughout his career. I just think that. In for the position that he plays. A lot of quick movement into the lunch scrimmage in kind of making decisive shifts cuts. Yeah. I don't know. I'm I'm obviously, I don't I think he showed enough last year that you know, he could be a potential like long-term ex if he shows it does your too, I just I'm a little hesitant to all injury prone right now if he shows if he does have the same type of injuries next year, I might be on board with that. I'm just a just not there yet. We have to remember John. John hate. Yes. Stan with every fiber of his being the after member that when make these every single one of those fibers. But it's just it's so funny because like. I think he's been you know, if you're looking at it from so far LA's, I think it's too early to say like definitely for his career. He's injury prone. But like so far he's been injury prone up to this point. In like, it's too early to say if that's just bad luck. Or if that's a, you know, just one of these just one of those people who just has, you know, his body doesn't hold up, and I still, and I agree that he does have potential to be a good contributor because he's been very good on is the deep balls and stuff which I said when I wrote about like what he's done to this point. Like, he's I've been very impressed with his ability to kinda almost be like Tyler Lockett -i Tyler Lockett, liken respect where he's not very big. But he's he's very good. At tracking the ball deep in winning the depot. So he definitely has used their I've been and so I I don't think he's been bad. I just don't think he's been as it's just it's weird. I just think it's a weird. A little thing. The the hype has match what he's done so far. I guess I'm not understanding who is like hyping it like like who are these people? Some there's some people on Twitter and a lot of people in comments sections. Your buddy Marxist best receive around the Panthers team. Well, I don't think that's too hot of a tick right now. I think that more it's still kind of learning a lot of things I didn't mean to be an asshole. I was. Yeah. No. I think that he goes a little too far when he says that like Samuel reminds him of Steph on. That's like I do agree that stem cells release in does is very similar to stuff on. I just think that does a lot more as a receiver that doesn't really get noticed by him. But like let me let me. While I'm actually looking at out that two thousand seventeen utter super classes, actually, quite impressive. The what? Which two thousand seventeen wide receiver Kloss. The one that. Yeah. I mean, obviously Samuel was you know, a pretty high second round pick. But. The other guy who had drafted the first top ten down Ross. He's been really disappointing. Why? But anyway, so like I think a couple of your when the when you mentioned like the production. I think that's fair. But I also think that a lot of that has to do with Rhonda viral like someone would ever coach like holding it back for whatever reason. I don't think they played a face. Like there was there was one point. Like, I think after the giants are eagles game where he had like six touchdowns on like twenty inches like. Would you like of that? At one point Samuel was pacing a touchdown every four touches. Yeah. So I don't know. I just feel like he obviously didn't see him out of breath said he probably should be sing for good reason. I guess if he was coming off injury on. And then you obviously saw starting to put it all together. Later in the year like the touchdown. He had against Detroit. Like that was so good like the way he was able to release interest get up feel all I love that play. I. I hate it. I hate it. It was the worst thing I've ever seen. I that that Detroit gave was like one of the biggest optimism type games for me because I saw DJ more basically just juke Darius slay out of his fucking cleats with his hip turn on that one touchdown pass in the end zone and Curtis Samuel just beat a guy right off the right off the line of scrimmage caught a pass. And I was like damn these guys could be really good if they can be consisted like that. So. And if you remember like Gettleman, you know, his draft he drafted funchess than. And Benjamin which never made much sense to me at you guys know, Mike Lombardi is on Twitter. He his podcast with the ringer to. Like, what are the things that he preaches on I guess because he worked with bell chug is probably something that you have taught him any work would they actually cited from Al Davis. It's like you said that your receiver that wide receiver or it'd be like a starting five in basketball. So you should have guys do different things and would Samuel I think that the brains element of like fertile separation and opening up the fields and with more. He's more like a short intermediate guy. We can pick up yards after catch. I think funchess last year was a guy that. It was almost like like their center. He would you know? To like the short in breaking routes, but he also of be bled upon the red zone to and by all -cations. It seems like the going to. They're not going to resign him. So they had to find that guy next year. And then a guy like Jerry Astrid is probably like, you're reliable like shooting guard small forward guy, can can I click utility guy just gets open when you need him in certain moments a complaint about his snaps or anything so Bill you brought you actually segue into the perfect part of the last point. I wanted to bring up for odd cast, which is Devon punches. So obvious out of here. Yeah. He's definitely out of here. This point doesn't really seem like they have any reason to bring him back. Otherwise, you probably would have played more snaps at the end of the year. So my question is do we think the wide receiver core is okay? The way it is. Or do we think airline is going to try and find a? You know replacement for funches, Billy. You can go ahead and start off at that. I actually I might be in the minority. I would not be opposed to them bringing funds of all I think. I just I mean, the wide receiver core the crop of bridging talents. Does at release a billing? But if they wanted to find a guy in the drought. Fourth-round would be okay with that guy. Similar to funchess as far as like a big body guy can kinda separate in Ron a diverse route tree, AVI cooled that. But I mean by all the -cations like after he was. You know place after he didn't even sued him up for weeks of tea. I just think is pretty much out the door. Yeah. It doesn't seem like they have any. There hasn't been really any indication. They're going to bring him back. I mean, there hasn't been a articles from the Charlotte observer talking about negotiations. I mean, really all heard his that funchess wants to back dot dot dot. And that's it. So. I think Carolina needs to have that kind of like vertical? Guy who can win in one on one mismatches. But at the same time, if they think that ROY Olson or even Tom or even Ian Thomas is that guy. I mean, maybe they invest that capital somewhere else. That much is would be very productive. If they bring him back. I mean twenty seventeen he played in the way way worse. Receiving core was productive. I think maybe he just had a bad year. Maybe he had a couple of steps back. But at the same time, you would expect a guy like funchess after twenty seventeen to step forward. And he just reverted back to what we saw in his first two years. So it's a really tough question to ask as to whether they should actually bring funches back or, you know, find his replacement, but I think Carolina needs that dimension to their offense. And if they're comfortable with Greg Olsen were Thomas, they're fine. If not I think they do need to try and pursue that at least for Cam. Because he needs a guy like that. I think I wouldn't like I think they they should do something. I'm sure they'll try to target some sort of bigger wide receiver e whether that be fraying funchess back or like Billy said somewhere later like in the middle late part of the drafter if they're all in the know who the free ages are to some low level free agent. But. I think the the core of bright more in Samuel isn't amaze. Not great by any means. But it's probably better than we've had for a lot of the last few years. I know it MRs that like tall vertical? Spacing the vertical target in terms of vertical like, height wise. But all three of them have their different ways. Like Billy was saying complementing each other getting open in different parts of the field and stuff. So I it's not flashier, you know, big name by any means. But I think it would work well enough, especially if cams arm is strong enough to utilize Samuel as deep threat. I mean, we saw Cam Newton put up the best quarterback numbers. He's ever had with Philly Brown, Ted Ginn, essentially, taking the lion's share of the staff. So I agree. I think there's receiver core is better than that group. I mean, Ted Ginn had the dimension of being a really hard to cover deep threat. But other than that. I mean, like, skillset wise these guys are the same. If not way better than a lot of the things he had there. So really the the x factor there, then is a guy like Greg Olsen like a security blanket. And I think Jerry's right. Can be that guy. If if Newton shoulder is healthy. But again Cam's been very productive when he's had a guy who can he can kind of throw the ball up to in the end zone. Let the guy make a play on. I don't know if they have anybody like that aside from Greg Olsen right now. Yeah. But like I said like DJ more is better after the catch will McCaffrey to meta after the catch than anybody ever had than Carolina with Emden would even argue Curtis Samuel to despite. Before he could. And he's been very good like as a balk area. Just for some reason he hasn't been able to translate that to the same place where he catches passes. But he did that touchdown against the giants. Which was that the that was a rough now. No, it was a screen. Actually, right. Yeah. I I saw the to you. I think that you might have an like I watched it. And I've read about it was the one where he broke four tackles getting in the end zone. Yeah. More. Yeah. They faked the screen one more became more of that would be good. But yeah. And then he's better than Ted Ginn is in terms of his hands, especially on deep passes. So like there's like if we if we were good with with that receiving core. Cam can be good with digit more Curtis Samuel jarash, right because jazz rights, basically, courtesy our is basically the same zero Khatri Samuels a better Ted Ginn and DJ Moore's Philly Brown way better than Philly Brown. Philly a- catch the ball or fall down every time. I catch it Brown. I dare say he is basically like many Steve Smith is his career DJ more after the catch for sure. Yeah. That that man is is bad running people over in fit. Great. I love it. I love watching DJ more play for that reason. Just watching them plow through a safety. Like we had nothing that I love after mocking. I watched that plague Billy I forgot about that play. We're Curtis Samuel Burke eighteen tackles for his first career touchdown more of that would be nice. He said our here. Here's a here's our conundrum though. What did you rather have those routes Goto DJ more? Yes. Yeah. And then you probably want Samuel to continue to run like those in breaking route fifteen at twenty yard depth. But also, I guess contributing in some areas with screen passes slant routes, whatever just feel like. I you can really differ suffi- the route tree of each player if you just play to their strengths in my opinion. Honestly, though, like I think that having two guys that similar like they catch the ball. They could score type skill set is good. And I don't think you really need to relegate one guy to being one one guy being another type route runner like that makes defensive coordinators scared because you have to guys where unemployed they could run the ball or the catch the ball. And they could beat your defense in score. Like, I think Carolina's a really good place right now as far as like. Guys can punch it in on any given play. What I worry about is those guys who can move the chains. I think Jerry's right is good for that. But I feel like they need to have another big body guy who can win on those on one. I'm throwing the ball up and you're going to catch it type plays. And that's why I am worried about not having punches round. But I think as you said they could find a guy like that in the draft maybe in Thomas or maybe even even him. Yes. Correct. Or Greg Olsen if his if his two feet or not, you know like Greg Olsen both eat. Yeah. Yeah. And he's not walking on gravel. Internally. Oh. All right. Well, do we have anything else who want to cover on this podcast me? I know we had a lot to cover. Now going to the draft and afterwards. So we we've we've made it to like an hour. Plenty long enough people don't need your more of a set in believe him wanting more. Yep. They always gotta be yearning for more of us. Billy, do you have anything else? You want to bring up or anything else? You wanna talk about for we sign off tonight. Yeah. I mean, if if anyone was really interested in following the draft notes during a pickup. These next few weeks. Via the combine is next week. I believe the drill start that Friday. So I think a ABC show this with. Often watch keep track of some of their favorite prospects. Should check that out. Because now, it's my favorite events. The both cycle heats up here. Gotta love how three what Rives a guy up the draft boards. And you really what better? Do you have to watch at eleven o'clock in the morning on Thursday. Very well. Anyway from all of us here at the keep sounding podcast. We will be breaking down a hell of a lot more with Billy. Thanks again for joining us, and he will be around for the draft. And even hopefully after that. So we will be breaking down the wrath. Regency everything pants related here. Probably at least once a week for the next few weeks. 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The Career Changers

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The Career Changers

"Hello, welcome to the financial times. Create changes podcast with me. Emma Jacobs. And the final podcast of the series we take up Janati to catch up with our five brave career changes to see how they getting on and then you professions. My name is can be Davenport and are used to work saints breeze. I'm was there for twenty two years before being made redundant. Last June. I was them marketing and PR manager for biz wines and spirits since leaving saints Sainsbury's. I've set up my own business call Doug import drinks consulting, and I offer a range of services to the drinks industry PR services. And I also run events and tastings. I let out follow Koga trainee solicitor and previously as ten years is that her mother. Mother. Had a very interesting times. It's my career change, very different things work in the city every day. That's being key off to the house and the children, but it's been a very positive move for me. My name is Thomas Davis from Alaska was. So I let three businesses there. So I found a temple eighteen months ago. In short, we help executive and shit teams sustain and develop high performing cultures. Hey, so I am apnea Rhonda known before I went through this career change. I was a musician touring for about five or six years. We're still actually putting out music and recording and writing, but it just slowed down a lot. So that's why I decided to do this whole change thing. So basically I went through APPA kademi which is a three month coding bootcamp. So right now I'm working for Sada which is digital marketing company. I'm a, I'm an engineer a software developer there. We also spoke to ready. He left. How can financed this? You love of costume designer Rawda. She told us about how recent projects following graduate. I had a secure two jobs. One was for an interactive play or event at the Babacan was about how we design our future in terms of sustainability and ecological impacts and things like that and have been producing hundred bags out of EKO canvas, recycled canvas linen, hem, all kinds of natural materials. I used even recycled threat for that that were used by audience and performers in that play. It's been awhile since we spoke to everyone. We've heard about the new and exciting world career changes from themselves. But what twists and turns have decorate Jenny's entailed. I'm currently doing a big job for a major retailer which is very nice to have annoy have several wine tastings gin tasting and comb aching session in the calendar of the coming weeks Assam. Busy. Every job I've onto taken so far has been thankfully hugely successful up at a particular job a left maps lately, buzzing, I was asked to run wine tasting full, a highly successful CEO any senior management team, and I was told that they will really knew their wine, and that's the CEO himself had three thousand bottles in his private seller, which slightly terrified me. So I was rather worried about which wines I should choose. I was given a two thousand pound budget for wine and boy did I really enjoy spending all of that anyway, the evening could not have gone better, and I was really delighted with the way when they were thrilled with their evening and with wind choices and my knowledge. So all the stress and worry at had beforehand hadn't been necessary. The enterpreneurial route seems to being a success not only for Kimberly, but also for Thomas's tech company, temporal, the summer too. Thousand eighteen is probably the busiest. I can remember on record. We've got a enterprise software platform, an incredible team by wooden zero scientists and technologists. We do not for about eighteen months now. So all going really well having huge amount of fun. If I start to think about the work that we've racked up and delivering right now, it's been an incredible crescendo at a time when a lot of people being recharging. So we've added new clients. We've just launched on your website. We've been developing a major product, the last twelve months that is launching this week. We've just taking for the first time outside investment, which is a huge milestone as well as adding a couple of really super board members to temporal. Last time we had from collect, she had exchanged role is a stay at home. Mom to wacky in law passed months, have kept tone, her toes. Let's be very busy over the summer. We've been number of really interesting deals and spin a very exciting time for me to be working quite high intense team virement. I'm working very long hours, but also to be doing something that's of such significance and the bigger world. I really enjoyed that. Just got back from holiday had week. It works my summer holiday, and I'm now preparing to move in three weeks time to the second of my four, six months seats as trainee. The last six months I've been in corporate law. I moving structured finance, which is one of the capital markets groups of the foam and that be a new challenge camera looking forward to, I've found the courage change very positive on a personal level. It's. Really good to feel. Able to truly be who I am and to use all the schools. But I have an over the aspects of my personality in way them when I was just as a mother, I say Justice, not just that was very hard work very rewarding. But as children get older, I think that Tara my life. I'm needed different way now and I've really enjoyed the new challenge Antony. He's continued to develop his knowledge of software development following a course at the app academy, and he's pretty much more confident in his nudie hone skills since we've spoke last, I guess I feel a lot more comfortable as software developer. I'm still not, you know, obviously the top of where I'd like to be, but I definitely feel a lot more comfortable. I've been doing it for about eight months now professionally, and I feel way more comfortable with with what I'm doing my under. Standing of it and how it relates to the app is a whole instead of, you know, just what I learned coming out of APPA kademi. So basically just developing new features and just strengthening what I've learned and just continuing to learn and grow as software developer, which is a new career for me. So the way I'm feeling about this new career is actually love it. I think it's it's great. It definitely fits my personality. You know, I like to create stuff. I like to build things. I like to feel that I have ownership over what I'm doing in software development or at least offer development of Presario. Definitely give me that we understand what we have to build. We're, we're kinda told the demands of the business, and then we're kind of giving the freedom to Bill that and design it how how we see fit while also working on a team. So it's it's, it's a lot of things that I that I enjoy. It's it's the design aspect. It's the architect dress Specht. It's the. The team oriented. It's problem solving. It's it's just figuring a lot of things out. It's challenging. I'm learning a lot. So it's been, it's been incredible and well, rainy, sad tiff left rudder. She's excited to be in Henny working world. Of course, you have a lot of people working with with you on place. It's not only costume, but also construction, scenic, arts and stage manages and actors, of course. So to leave that behind was said, but then I'm not a student anymore. I am looking forward to be actually part of this this world and get some money for it rather than paying. Everyone seems to be on the right track, but completely changing. Your career is in Deasy. Kimberly felt the pressure, but by she and Thomas have high hopes for the future only say much challenging time came at the beginning of the pretty much had no work from mid January to the NFL Jerry and I really started to stress and thought to myself, this is it on not gonna make it, but all of a sudden the job's came rolling in and thankfully I haven't stopped since in terms of the future. I am really hoping to be given the contract to organize several portfolio tastings for an amazing Moines business of met with them a couple of times, and I really loved the vibe that that company has. So it'd be fantastic to work with them. Think is going to be a hugely exciting through four months ahead start thinking about two thousand nineteen, but I think about what we want to achieve to now and the end of the year with making. Huge in Rosa think we moving into I kinda proper office space at the beginning of ember. And for the first time we've announced a partnership program. I think that fails with huge amounts of optimism about the three things that we can have really says strategy. The first was amazing people in the business to help on everything from product design, to Klein discussions to our methodology, build the platform to bring it all to life, frankly, to win to help us can assign new clients. And then the third element of that is around partnership. So really working with a small number of a world class partners to help can amplify multiply everything we're looking to do well, gang straight into a new job is one create change. Path came back to education can be the right direction for those. He feel the need to develop their skills, Rennie decided on this option. But admits she found being an older graduate, somewhat challenging. I basically applied to everything that came in front of my nose. And it was a mixed Joe of work experience which technically illegal after you're finished studies. But in film they then call it momentary work. It's the first step to get into film. It's usually unpaid, but I didn't get any of those didn't even get a reply. And there were few other supervising jobs I didn't get reply was I tend to think it's a bit down to my age. People look at my CV and think, oh my God, this woman is ancient probably not as 'obedient as freshly graduated twenty something. So we rather go for the twenty something the career changing process while challenging has its benefit. But what would I changes have done differently? Snow about myself and my family, the word work through the crew change for myself. It's being really good snow. I can still function on eleven and still have energy to what card and keep that level going. He wasn't very times about my family's really good to know that we're still up tweets and some two weeks, and it was really nice to know that we so function so well as a group, we still know each other. So well, still interested in each other doing and enjoy each other's company and shared interests. And it was sort of slight concern about the create change was with a, I would feel mortis tint from my family by spending less time at home, and that hasn't really happened. I made a conscious effort to do what I can't be sure it hasn't happened, but also it's really nice to know that that relationship, those relationships is still there and still strong. I guess the main thing I've learned about career changes that it's definitely not an easy thing. So if you are gonna change your career, make sure that it's something that you definitely want to do or at least do as much research as possible to try to ensure that it's something that you wanna do the. I mean, it's it's very hard, it's it's you're, you're switching gears so it's a lot to learn. It's a lot to it's a lot of time to invest if you really wanna change your career because you know you're on one path. There's just a lot to learn. It's it's a lot of new skills that you'd have flirted depending on what you're switching your career, but this is a pretty drastic change. You know, I've never worked in the development world. I never worked in technology really. So it was a very drastic change from you. So that's something that I personally had to do just really make sure that it was something that I wanted to do because I guess to go through three months of an intensive program and then. Getting put into a feel that I'm not that I didn't come from. You know, the is a huge learning curve. So I just. I'm glad that I made sure that this is something that I wanted to do because I think if it wasn't absolutely something that I that I was enjoying it would have been extremely difficult to invest the time that I had to invest. Yeah. The main thing I've learned about career change is you've just gotta guy for it, eights old, nothing. You have to throw yourself into it really wholeheartedly and just give it a try for look back at the last eighteen months in totality. It just still amazes me that people are so willing to give the gift of advice and free bike. If you awesome into really nice y. authentic fashion. It also everything takes longer than you think just when you think, okay, we're gonna get something landed by the Friday. It almost always takes longer, and that's probably just down to resolve Radi. The cost is just the resource and was had a huge amount of gonna fight song identity and branding and important for us to get things right. I think that's something I'm learning about myself is probably just to take a little bit of extra time until of planning cycles because it just takes longer than you think. One of the one of the things I believed in ima whole career is a great vision is great, but it's I need is good as the strategy, the executes, the vision, and I see the same having a great strategy news what you execute and the last eighteen months. I think what is particularly potent about how I see the next one, two years moving yet we'll always adopt a strategy of cools that's ongoing, but we're moving into execution and execution demands. Great people. We have attractive incredibly strong people think will continue to do that. So the last eighteen months told me a huge amount and all of all be taking into two thousand nineteen ninety thousand twenty performing. So I think as a summary, I've ever been happy. I think a massive part of that is because on new learning curve, we want hire people who already cure in curious and courageous. And the curiosity think reruns through the whole business. Hopefully myself included a definite, never been happy because I'm learning new things every day. It works well and people are very happy with my work. And you have worked with me that toget- convince the others who haven't worked with made to. Try. That's the difficult thing is in in this industry. It seems that people go for the cheap option and they're always think of course, young people are the the cheaper option even. So in terms of experience be the cheap tune as well to the, I wouldn't really matter. It's easier than most people think at just requires stunt one brave step to do it. Hell will not break loose if you resigned from your job and do something else. It's something I would do again. I actually wish done anything differently. I just wish I'd done it sooner looking back. I think I was roll the wound down by life on the treadmill, but I just didn't realize it at the time. So my biggest regret is that I should have done this. She is ago. It's been. In a very positive experience and the hasn't been a great deal that I would have done differently. It's made me much more confident person to begin out work. I've possibly less patience for spending lots of time on things that actually. That much time. I don't really think I wish I done anything different. I think I went about this really good way for me personally, you know, I have the savings to go through this program. I worked as hard as I could have to to get through the program and to get a job and all that kind of stuff. Maybe the one thing I wish I may be coated a little bit more before the program, but I mean, I feel like I still prepared enough to go through the program and everything. So there's not really too much that I wish I did different. I think again, personally, I think I followed a good path for for myself. I, I'm not looking back to the financial industry at all ten regret the step of taken a feel actually quad liberated when I am at my and graduate exhibition. Few of my former colleagues came to see the exhibition. I don't envy them still were. Working, whether working needless to say, changing job little to your days from the moment your alarm goes off to when you lay your head on the pillar again, one area which some people worry about is the changes that it might bring to their personal life. To what extent have our career changes felt that professional shift impact the way they spend that time outside of work? I'm currently training full, a charity marathon walk through the streets of London overnight. It's been great, fun training with my friends through the Hampshire countryside. We've all final twenty two mile this weekend. And again, this is something I never would have undertaken in my previous life as I just didn't have the time. So wish me luck outside my work. I still active home looking forward to starting to plan Christmases iota progresses. And of course, Halloween always fun times children's birthdays from c. y. defamatory of Christmas, which takes planning. A very big family, very international family things oppose. If looking forward to the next challenges of my neck seat, I've actually had a lot more time to paint. So I've been painting a lot which has been really cool. It's been great. You know, I've also had more time we've been writing and recording a little bit more. So we actually just released a new song, I guess in my personal life outside of work, I've had a little bit more time to do some of those things. Again, I'm actually a lot more motivated to do some of those things. Again, I guess at work programming all day, it's definitely flexing some of that creative muscles. So then when I come home, you know, I just want to keep that going with the writing and recording and painting and stuff. So I feel go balance in my life. So young working very, very hard to work at the weekends for few as each of those days. But I am to choose when and how I do things and in water. So I think you know, my create change is something that I'd never swap back to what I had before. All I enjoyed it massively, but I'm just massive exciting out about what lies ahead and the people I can hopefully persuade to come and work around temples, cyclops circuit. So there you have it first time. Pre career changes a thriving and smiling, despite the various challenges and unknowns they've had to face over the pulse months. If you'd like to read about it, please visit outside to act t. dot com. Career changes. That's it. For this series of the financial times, create changes poker many, thanks to our contributors and to you. 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"Today's show is brought to you by direct T._v. could use N._F._l.. Fans Direct T._V. has expanded N._F._l.. Sunday ticket this season you littering area were directing services not available cable. You can now get N._F._l.. Sunday ticket without the satellite see if you're eligible go online to N._F._l.. Sunday ticket DOT TV stream every N._F._l.. Sunday ticket game this season to follow follow your favorite team. No matter where you live is Promo Code bringer at Checkout Save fifteen percents exclusive student discounts also build and welcome those show up Robert mays joy as always by Kevin Clark Kevin how you doing buddy. I'm on the side of a highway away in Knoxville Tennessee. I just drove by the KNOXVILLE sons fear if you're a simpsons fan. You know what that means if you're not it's a big son Spear Knoxville thanks bill. Thanks for clarifying yeah. I I am on my way to the hall of fame game very soon. I am somewhere south of you've. I don't know exactly what town I am in a hotel room. That's all I have to report. I know more specifics than that. I don't know what city I've yeah well. That's that's very common the camp tour let me ask you a question. Are there towns to jump out to you where you say. I'm just going to move here because it's a very the camp Tori F. Seven eight hour drives you get tired you kinda. Just you know your your mind wanders. What's the city where you're like? This is this is this is where I'm I'm just GONNA move. I've always felt that way about Minneapolis. I really blessed in the summer. It's beautiful. It's to me the most underrated food and drink city in America. Yeah I think I think they just have a great scene there and just the overall sights and scenes there in this time of the year a beautiful and I had never been to latrobe before and I went there yesterday and I was just blown away by the scenery I mean it is gorgeous there. It's a picture kind of backdrop. I have a bit bit of a skewed vision of a lot of these places. You're from Midwest Midwest. Are you sort of understand this. I've only been to Ohio in the summer months and I've only been a to Michigan in the summer months so I think these places some of the nice spices in the world always seventy five and breezy and and I've never seen a winter so I'm all win on like Cleveland and Erie P._A.. Latrobe latrobe was gorgeous. I so I made this observation on my way from Green Bates and Minnesota and I have a lot of love for the State of Wisconsin. I think that there are a lot of places I've enjoyed my time I think but walking super underrated yet but there is a clear shift when when you're driving across Wisconsin when you get into what is more or less Minnesota and it is essentially when you hit oh claire on that highway and it's like Oh there are trees now at the dairy farms are gone. This is beautiful and that pretty much means. You're in Minnesota or about to be so that's that's definitely clear shifts so latrobe is Arnold Palmer's from Arnold Palmer's also from Orlando because he lived there and he created a golf tournament there and so when I I got there some latrobe rivalry here between people so here's what happened is that I was like <hes> I checked into the hotel and it was a huge mural of arnold palmer there okay and I was like Oh that's that's nice. I'm from Orlando. That's where that's where he's from three lives and this Monroe Palmer was still with us and the a woman at the hotel said no sir he lives here and I said No. I'm pretty sure he lives in Orlando and then the woman Kinda got mad at me and and and then I was palmer jostling as kind of like am I gonNa get in a fight over this like am I gonNa get a huge blow up over where Arnold Palmer lives and you know we just left. It left it off to the side there. I don't WanNA finish that <hes> and I you know ended the check in process so we're GonNa do the same thing we did last time. We're going GONNA give a couple tidbits from camps that we've been seeing unfortunately because we recorded two days ago. We have not been so many camps so there's not as much to report especially compared to the last show but we're so you do that. I feel like it's a good idea. We're GONNA hit some news. We're also going to talk about the names that will define the N._F._l.. Season this this year just the guys that we think will have have a massive impact whether it's coaches players and beyond that we're gonNA break down that list but let's start with a little bit of news. A couple of things have happened since we recorded last Michael Michael. Thomas became the richest wide receiver in the history of the N._F._l.. Good friends is one of those deals that it happens and somebody asked what your responses and it's like sure sure. Did we expect any different Michael. Thomas been the one of the if the if not the most productive receiver through his first few seasons the history of the N._F._l.. And when that is the case and your contract comes up you will likely become the highest paid player in the history of your position and that is what happened yet. Yep I mean I it's it's hard to separate Michael Thomas's efficiency from drew brees but sure from where I'm standing. You don't want to be the team that finds out you know. Do you know what I'm saying you don't want to be the teammate is last year was eighty five percent. <hes> which I believe is the best in history or close to it at one point. He was training to be the best in history. I don't know how he finished exactly <hes> so he's worth a lot of money especially for the next what two years that that drew brees will probably be around that we know of and so I I just think if you're GONNA try to go all in as the saints are perpetually all in <hes>. This is the move you had to make. I understand you know look eventually. They're going to have have to start paying a lot of their guys because they hit on a lot of the draft picks is what we talk about all the time. This is the cowboys problem this was you know in the old C._B._S.. Detroit lions problem and said they didn't have the money for it and so. I just think that this is the first in a lot of big contracts. Saints have to give out but I think their hands are tied. They just gotTa do it. It's the tax you pay for having some really good players and so his base salary next year is eleven million which yeah I'm sure by next July that will be converted so two million and base salary and they will move the rest into a signing bonus and start kicking the can down the road again the saints. The saints are just going to start signing everybody that Bobby Baena contract where they're just. They're just paying these guys like twenty sixty. We're GONNA have like Micheal Thomas and Alvin Kamara Day every time they get a million dollars when and we're all like seventy five years old. I'm honestly shocked that there are no years at the end of the deal that just void in order to move the signing bonus money into that year which the saints do and no one else in the N._F._l.. Does because they're just living like the most Yolo world possible and I really respect it. You know I've said a lot. I've joked around about how the the Saints Behavior Mirrors Banks that caused a financial crisis and I'm. I'm now are moving that as a joke. It's one hundred percent sure oh yeah. It's not a joke anymore. That's absolutely the problem is the saints are trying to operate in the maybe they would just be enough money later that it won't matter and I kinda respect it like you're have drew brees and you have a forty year old quarterback the idea that after this who gives a shit anyway is actually kind of a good way to build your team when a factor it's like when you factor in your your blackjack winnings when you're in Vegas yes. Do you know what I'm saying like when you're there and you're like oh I'm gonna I'm GonNa get more money. In two thousand the seven we might as well just burn this dinner and it's going to be fine because I'm GonNa go in a heater later and then the heater never comes anyway Saints Win Zero next year so they might they're very good roster. I understand him doing this. It's not surprising in any way Julio Jones will probably get more than this. Let's talk so you mentioned the cowboys and I WANNA WANNA do this very briefly so Amari Cooper said that he hopes the Michael Thomas negotiations affect his contract which yet like. I don't know I'm trying to think think of a good comparison when Stephen a Smith science his next D- what E._S._p._N.. I hope it affects my contract to but this is a different conversation nation like Micheal Thomas. Amari Cooper are two different tiers insiders. Who does this compare to Steven naismith Michael Thomas Okay? I know I just wanted. Make sure we track there. So you're Amari Cooper situation yeah. Just I'm saying that we're in the same business but I don't necessarily think his contract negotiations should impact mine and I think it'd be Kinda. Suspended from Amari Cooper takes that's probably fair. I think Mario Cooper is a good player but I don't think Amari Cooper should be looking at Michael. Thomas contract me like Yup Yup. That's it good slow Newsday guest so I I'm with you on that. Although I will say this Amari Cooper looked like an elite player the second half of last year and I cannot figure it out. I cannot figure out if that was just he works well with the cowboys I mean the the raiders he was trending in the wrong direction with the raiders and and that's why I thought that the trade was a really really bad idea <hes>. I probably think they they still could have gotten him. I'm for less <hes> if they had just held steady at play. I guess the Eagles had it offered something like that to answer. I guess a second was the report for the Eagles but I I think that he he should not get Michael Thomas money but he shouldn't get you know John Brown money. No I agree I mean I think you should get a nice contract contract but yeah I don't think he should be looking at the top of the wide receiver market and think yeah. That's what I deserve to get paid. <hes> no I I would say I would say a little bit under that is whereas negotiation start also by the way Jerry Jones just loves paying people sure but let's all right. Let's address that very quickly because I want to talk about what Steven Jones said yesterday Saturday <hes>. He said that he does not think the cowboys should be in the business of being market setters any position. That's and I understand him saying that because if I'm looking at the cowboys right now I agree with him and I feel like some people kind of bristled at that comment as it related to Ezekiel. Oh Elliott if we're talking if Ezekiel Elliott's people are coming to the cowboys and saying we want to reset the running back market which is above fourteen million dollars a year. The Todd Todd Gurley got under no circumstances. Should the cowboys do that. It might crazy here. I feel like he's completely in the right with that that stance because I don't think if you if the two options are we must sign ezekial Elliot Todd Gurley contracts. Are we must Ezekiel Elliott walk ask you let him walk a hundred times out of one hundred. Is that off base. I agree no. It's not off base. I think we're getting into a really interesting conversation about Zeke Elliott. which which is how much the draft capital is affecting is affecting the immensely impactful right and so I I am really interested the psychology Jordan Howard in the second round or whatever not fourth-round whatever it was <hes> or taken any running back in the second round my curiosity is is how well is that pick age in general if this is the end of Zeke Elliott if this if he plays one more year with the cowboys and then that's it but we always knew new this. Excuse me if I if I said at the time but if you only played five years with the cowboys. How do you view that pick? It's a failure and we knew that at at the time this is not a revision thing if you want to be at twenty fifth even in two thousand sixteen as he was having that season it was it was hard by the way the I pod we ever did was US kind of saying they should take enjoy Jalen. Ramsey was in day after the draft it was in a hotel room in Chicago and right and we we both said they should not have taken Zeke Elliott unless they were maximizing for the short term which at that point was Tony Romo. I just <hes> this entire conversation to me is so skewed because yeah as it relates to Mauve and Gordon even you Josina Anderson reported today that his Asian has asked for trade and right now. There's an impasse because they've offered him reportedly ten million dollars a year on his extension. We don't know the guarantees and everything else and that's a huge thing but if it's ten million a year that's that's coming in below todd Gurley Levian David Johnson and above devante Freeman that is more than fair. I wouldn't pay Melvin Gordon ten million million dollars a year so the fact that he's demanding trade when that's the offer on the table reportedly I just I don't know this is a tough spot for these teams to be and we've had this discussion before but as the actual financial numbers start coming out and as Steven Jones says stuff like we don't want to reset the market and we actually know what the Ballpark is with this. I completely the understand where these teams sit yeah. I think we're just GONNA keep getting these warning back value arguments for the rest of their lives. I know that's probably true. I'm sorry that I brought it up again and Jones and everyone in the cowboys organization has said something in the last couple of days and he's a big name it. I think it's something to address. I agree all right one more bit of Personnel News The New York jets yeah have coaxed Ryan Kalil out of retirement what's going on there. He's a bigger name than he is a player at this this point you know he was definitely on the downside shades of <hes> shades of Jeff Saturday in Green Bay yeah I mean injuries have taken a massive toll on him but I also think that position position at Brandon Thorn was pointing this out on twitter and I completely agree with him. That position is as much about stabilization and there's about physical talent have somebody that can help you with Kohl's holes. If you have somebody that can really be a calming influence on the rest of your offensive line. I think that matters. I think this is good for them. This is one of those deals where he's making make an eight million this year. That was the first report for one year. I'm sure it's incentive laden. It's a huge overpay for his actual skill set right now but the jets have a ton of salary cap space in who the hell cares cares. I mean if you think it's going to help your offense in your second year quarterback than I understand doing it so it's matters you know. This is definitely if you look at their roster. If you look at the offense especially actually you know maybe the biggest remaining whole will see what happens for them or right tackle but it's a spot they probably needed to address. They address it with a smart veteran player and I think they're better off for it even even if the value isn't necessarily they're just going to be any good so I wrote about that today for the heat it up for you. I just think that they believe they're going to be good and when you have a rare that's a rarity this time of year but I mean when you spend the most money of any team it's the expectations that come with that are real and whether or not deserve it. I think is the biggest question I think they could be decent because I'm a big darnold believer lever. I just think he's going to really good quarterback and I like the skill set of the players. They have catching the football and that's a big thing to me. I just think that the pieces fit together you know we talk about complementary receivers and how they all play off each other and I think with crowder in the Slot Robbie Anderson being a field structure pitcher noon lobbying that kind of physical presence on the other side Herndon being able to just really be mismatch guy against linebackers which I think he is and bell as arguably the best pass catching running back in the entire league. That's nice to me and there are questions all over the roster. They have holes. I mean they're not perfect but I do think that they're much better. They were a year ago. I think that they can go nine seven. I think that they could be a dark horse wildcard contender but I think a lot of things would have to go right yeah. I it's true wish they had Joe Douglas pick the players. The problem is that this is such a weird kind of slaps together organization where the player. There's no coherent plan and that's that's always a problem to me but I do think that they're better than they were six months ago and is there ceiling defined because of how much money they spent yes but the players here's on the roster are better than they were at the end of lassie's. There's no design that sure yeah. I mean you've been there. I have not been there but I <hes> I I agree. They've got they've got enough talent. I wouldn't be actually wouldn't be surprised with anything kind of in the six to ten win ranch yeah. That's pretty much where I would put them. I think that they're they have enough whole kind of be on the low side of that but if Donald is really good I think that they can be in double digit wins and push to get a wildcard spot. I think that's their ceiling dealing with this team and I think that they've really hampered themselves in terms of resources for the long term so it's not there's no clear path them getting much better than that with this current roster construction or over the next three or four years I think right now they can absolutely hit that spot all right. Let's get to our training camp tidbits again not many of them. I've only been to two separate teams. I got there near the tail end of steelers practice because I went straight from Cleveland has had to talk to a couple of guys after practice ended so I really only have some takeaways from Cleveland. Why don't you start art though let's stay in that division? Why don't you tell me what really jumped out to you at Ravens Camp Well Earl Thomas? What do we call it? Is it a pick six. If it's we're were not really hitting sure it can be bad. I mean really like eighty percent of it is just the desire to run to the end zone once you get the interception but let's let's not. Let's not as a Harnett Earl. Thomas looks really good. That's the bottom line without story is Earl Thomas if he stays healthy is probably assigning. We're not talking nearly enough about do they overweigh do they overpay sure they did <hes> do they give to it even if they did considering all if you market right but what I'm saying is for as far as just the other bidders he had and he was gonna go to he was going to go to Kansas City on approved deal <hes> if he hadn't and that that's that's a whole different what if I mean good Lord she would have weird sliding door without us but <hes> you know I think that in general he's he's assigning there. We're not talking about. How do I think that they you know they lose Moseley? They lose a couple of those guys team. Got Really Young and Thomas Helps. There's a couple of veterans in that secondary where that's Brandon car where that's Tony Jefferson but I was looking around yesterday at their their depth chart. It's a pretty young team and earl. Thomas is a huge huge <hes> name name there. They're all Lamar Jackson. Lamar looked pretty good trez Paler at the at Yahoo had really good piece today on just how all in they are <hes> and and and I think that he's crushing at this camp. Throw that out there. He's doing really good work. I've always loved her as his stuff but I think he's done a really good job Lamar. I was like Oh dr they both are to resume Lamar Terresa Lamar <hes> doing great work so I think in general <hes> I think the Ravens are right up there in the A._F._C. North I don't I know there's so many questions for me. Whether it's Baltimore Pittsburgh Cleveland I with the exception of Cincinnati. I'm for anything in the A._F._C.. North Yeah Yeah I am Jim. Harbach Jim Harbaugh. John Harbach came out today and said that they really want to revolutionize offense. I don't know whether he said today but a couple of times assistance assistance that to me is well like basically like we keep you know I I had an assistant. Tell me I'll alright at some point that basically they they want to reverse the running game trend and people they want in two years people to be writing that the ravens change the way we look running backs and and just the running game in general. I am excited to watch it. I don't know if it's the right plan. I don't have a ton of faith in this. It's the right plan. If you have Lamar Jackson team building team in this way like what is the I mean the whole lesson of Bill Belichick these last twenty years is to build the team build the best version of the team you have and as soon as they drafted Lamar Jackson the correct route absolutely. I mean if you're going to go if you have a completely different plan. That's just in a laboratory Tori. Would it be different from my perspective yes but they've done. They've built the best team round Lamar Jackson. They could probably have built at this point in the in the curve. I totally agree okay all right. Let's talk about the trip to the browns a little bit of a couple of things I want to report first of all I mentioned this in the ringers like today. It was very funny moment. I was standing there on the sideline. Watching Eleven on eleven baker rolled out and whip the ball to the pylon that David Yoku dropped and he ran right past us and it hit a cameraman so I was looking to the cameraman was okay and Baker ran past me he snatched my water bottle out of my hand and that as he was running just flipped it behind him without looking thing and it just landed right in my palm. I was like well this guy. I don't know there's something about this guy. He just that's his essential demeanor all the time and that jumps out when you're there is that he just really owns those practices he has a presence. There was some reports yesterday about him kind of getting in his receivers two years. He's doing that a lot and I think that they respect it and understand it. I talked to a couple of his teammates yesterday just kind of about the way that he's kind of controlled everything about the the climate there and it's been notable and I think that it's a good thing for them also just in regards to him every time I'm there. I don't want to overstate it it now it may seem like recency bias but watching him throw footballs is different than most people you know. There were a couple of guys mahomes Rogers when you see them do it and said wow that's just a different thing but baker. It's just this combination of how the ball explodes off his hand and how beautifully he places it drew brees is unbelievably accurate but he doesn't have that like explosive arm strength that Baker seems to have and watching it up close and just how pinpoint some of the throws are. It's really impressive so those are things that jumped out and the other thing I had really long conversation with Todd Mahnken today and he said a lot of fascinating stuff off. I'M GONNA write about it a little bit later but he said to me that when he was trying to decide whether or not to take the browns job whether or not he was going to call plays was way down what has priority list for what Geeky one just based on the fact that he's had so many jobs in different levels and in different capacities and he's pretty much told me is like you know when you're the wide receivers coach your scoring thirty five points a game. It's fun as hell when you're the head coach Colin plays and you're scoring ten. I don't care to be that guy because it's it's not enjoyable so he more or less. I want to go work for the browns because I think it'll be a good time and I respect that because I feel like that's kind of everyone's Up this team so I came away from my couple of days here and I'm GonNa go back tomorrow. Being can't in any way just more confident than I was even going in. I loved what what I saw from them on pretty much every single level in every single capacity I lost my Internet connection. As soon as you started that story it went away for a long time I am and I got it right back as you finish that story and you never noticed and I'm on texting with Craig Right now freezer Craig and he wanted to see if I could pull it off to get back on on before you finish your story and I did you did and I the audio quality is different. Did you hear about my Baker Mayfield water bottle story. I told you I heard it in slack earlier earlier audio quantities differently because my actions gone so I had to do a column by phone. Do you have any response to the water bottle thing or no. No Baker Baker Mayfield walks around with a Lotta swag. Yes yes he does. Hey I heard a funny story my guys from German TV those resume dudes so did you see them playing rock paper scissors or Stefan digs. No I did not see that I was interviewing people. I might have been talking to coordinators that point eight they. They told me a story that I I'm. I'm now all in on Stefan digs that so their whole thing is at the end of the interview they put an N._F._l.. Starting to play rock paper scissors with them and he told me that at the end of the interview <hes> before Stefan Digs is going to do rock paper scissors he yells I use paper and then it totally Lee psyched out. Everybody and Stefan days wins every time and he doesn't he does use paper. That's incredible I he calls his shot and then they over think think and you kind of panic and he just wins using paper I mean that's like next level shit. I love that well you can only use it once spellcheck right. You can only use that on a person but you're GonNa win when you do it yeah yeah wow okay. It's like it's a nuclear option but it works so I won't talk the Panthers I was there today. I'M GONNA write it out. <hes> sat down with Greg Olsen had an amazing time with him. <hes> Greg Olsen is not a secret to television executives but television executives. If you're listening to this <hes> pay the man his money he is as smart a player is there is <hes> breakdown the game in the N._F._l.. I I mean there's a handful of guys who when you talk football with them you just understand you can see them in a broadcast booth and there's a lot of guys like this you know I mean I'd say that you know one of my favorite interviews Pasco Cam Tours Mike Daniels now now <hes> having just departed green bay somebody like that who can just talk about the game in a different way. Greg Olsen is on that list from me and we sat down and I asked him we talked about a bunch of different stuff <hes> non-football football whatever and one of the things that we talked about was just the the fact that this entire season depends on health and I and I talked to a lot of the beat writers when I was watching practice and they were like you know it's it's Kinda quiet not a lot going on here and thinking you know I think the panthers have a different perspective than most teams because a- pretty much everything is whether or not they're healthy like Cam your Golsen all these guys you know they added a bunch of pieces Gerald McCoy. I mean their defense has to come together in a certain way but it could definitely do that but as long as cameras healthy and a lot of a lot as long as a couple of other guys are healthy like that they're going to have a good season. They're going to win double digit games and so I'm intrigued to see see and that's the segue into our next segment. I think Cam Newton is one of the most fascinating people in football in two thousand nineteen because I think we've kind of forgotten about the panthers way too quickly I haven't they're my favorite super bowl but I've said this for the past month. I one hundred percents. I'm I'm in. I'm with you everything. You just said. I am lockstep with you. I think that if he is healthy there are double digit win team if that's the case them being sixty to one to win the super bowl and him being like sixty to one to win m._v._p.. Or nuts Christian McCaffrey is really good. They got some good players dude. I love what they've done. Personnel Wise I love their off-season Ma- paradise bringing it back to her Williams them just getting trae Boston right now and just having him be a piece to drop into the secondary sorry for three million dollars and you can never have enough safeties in twenty nineteen the amount of big nickel packages and they use that Buffalo position that Thomas era that check check Thompson used play now. He's a fulltime linebacker because Davis has gone so you need somebody else there. That is a spot where depth is so important right now and to just be able to bring him in right now is is massive for them because Rashaad Golsen is that his name Rashad Gold Rashawn Golden. Oh I'm okay Shaun Golsen. That's I thought you were talking about Golsen. I was like what the Hell we're shown golden but it's J. U.. L. D._A._M.. That was tough. I'm sorry I got confused with the names names but he was going to be the starting free safety now Boston most likely will be and that DEP is really important. I just think that they crushed everything. They did this off season. I agree. It's one of the kind kind of funny things to me was Thomas Davis apparently was a huge trash soccer practice and he brought a lot of energy because of that and I think those guys are valuable and they haven't had anybody like that and Cam Newton actually kind of jokingly complained about it today just like no one's talking to me and so one of the things from what what I understand is that Trey Boston fills that role quite well from what I from what I know and so that just like those little tiny things that actually matter to to a team and I'm sure that when they were signing him or when they sai like at least in cams mind when that happened he's like Oh good. Somebody is going to be that for me like those thoughts also roles. I feel like our so underrated. It's also one of those things where if you explain that like if that was just on football twitter or whatever people would just get really upset like out tomorrow tomorrow and was like if I sign trae Boston for this much money for a million bucks because he yells at Cam Newton like that's not the whole reason you sign on Blake. If you explain that to to the outside world you'd sound crazy but it actually yes within the locker room. It's like Oh of course we would do that. Yes even like yesterday. The the the Browns camp they you did a athletic trainer race at the end is where like they were betting on them like resources and bakers guy lost and he's like slow. He literally early slung his helmet across the field. He was so mad. I just like little stuff like that. That matters man these things are long. These are long practices. It's hottest l tiny little things to Kinda. Just have a little bit of fun that should is so important yeah I mean and also comes back to just the competitive aspect of it. I mean that's like the whole thing one of the most fascinating things that are heard about with regards to that is drew brees who will challenge this most of the Wall Street Journal and I talked a lot the guys around him but basically he challenges guys to these crazy competitions like whether it's trick shot competitions or kind of off the field paddle board races or whatever and he does he all he does challenges back quarterbacks and I remember asking a couple of his backups Ryan Griffin at the time Doug flutie that that kind of thing as why does he do that and they said because you cannot push drew brees on the football field and the way he's to the way he's going to get those competitive juices going against you is to find something that you can compete with him against and and that's where he gets his edge is just okay. I'm not GonNa who is he. Oh I guess it's Teddy Right now. Teddy Bridgewater is not as good as drew brees. We Love Teddy Bridgewater but maybe if they're playing a different dame ribbons even even if it's xbox whatever it is ping pong right even if you can do that even even if you have a competitive ping pong game against drew brees who will get pissed off and then feel feel like he's got a competition and so guys look for that and we don't think about that enough all right. Let's keep going with our list here the first guy in my list. I may be a little bit weird but to me. It's Al Riverine because I interference rule is going to be a huge stories is the head of officiating brought up to me unprompted yeah. I just think that it's going to be a really big storyline early in the season and I think they're going to be a lot of eyeballs on on the officiating world in the N._F._l.. And I think that he's the mouthpiece for that and I think that a lot of people are going to be looking at what happens with it. I think that it's going to be at the helm rule and is going to be like five games in the preseason that are just outrageous and then maybe like week one. It'll something big will happen and then we'll just it'll just stop like there's probably these rules panics they tend to they tend to accelerate really quickly and then they just by like October. Nobody cares about them so I think it'll just work itself out. They'll have some like adjustment period unlike September twentieth and everything will be fine. I agree I think at the beginning of the season it will be a story. Oh someone's GONNA lose a game over absolutely yeah all right. What's your excellent <hes> Steve Spagnolo? I mean that's some that was on my list. It's something we've talked about a lot but you know it was funny to me the other day I was writing about the chiefs and I said you know they really did. Have you seen the numbers for Patrick. Mahomes in losses losses. I mean he crushed every game last year basically and if that defense get solved again A._F._C.'s over if that defense is is is I'm not saying they're going to be top down but if that defense was legitimately good with all the traditions A._F._C. Izzo. I know we talked about this last week but it bears repeating the switch from three of the four three is important. I have my doubts about St sp technologist from his history <hes> recent history obviously he's has incredible the pedigree of going back a long time but I just haven't seen a lot maybe last few years so if he can be the defensive coordinator of the chief need him to be the A._F._C. is is over if they can't. That's when the Patriots come in. That's when the colts come in. That's when you know one of those A._F._C.. North teams comes in and so that's that's the fascinating the thing for me is can the chiefs be a complete team and the question within that kept you signal will be a great if it's coordinator. How good is that defense need to be like? Let's talk about Devi. Give you a Finnish. Where do they manage for them to be clearly the best team in the N._F._l.? Like by four the best team in the League where would they need to finish like twelfth. I that's exactly the number I had my head at Yeah I'm with you. I think that's the level they need to be just above average because the offense for all the regression talk everything else. We're talking about regression. We're talking about fifty touchdowns to thirty eight touchdowns forty eight yeah. I was GONNA say I was I was I was gonna say forty eight yeah. It's the regression. It's not regressing from good to bad. Let's say that okay. That's graduating hall historic to merely great. I'll say he might not regress breasts. Who cares like I'm just saying that maybe I it's obviously statistically that seems to be the model but who the hell knows? Patrick mahomes really And I just think that if you look at the colts off season they really outside of Justin Houston didn't spend a lot of money on their defense that wasn't on in players previously on their roster. They really had a lot of faith in some of these guys you know your day sears and beyond rewarding some of these guys financially financially. They didn't replace many of them so I think that I was having a conversation or colts camp with somebody who would know a couple days ago and we were just talking about Mike Daniels and whether they'd been interested in the answer was yes but they look at a guy like Niko autry like Niko Autry can play like we don't need to bolster that position with somebody expensive because we believe in the players players that we have so they're really banking on guys like Clayton gathered so they re <hes> retained purity seer who they retained Kenny Moore who was an excellent player last year. Just one of those guys that this is how you go from not being very good to being very quickly is dude like any more who you got on waivers becoming stars and they're really banking on that collection of talent and I think that kind of connected to that they're banking on what Matt Ebro Foods did as a coordinator last season. I think he's excellent. I'm biased biased because he was a coach of my Missouri Tigers when I was there and I thought he was great in that role and I just feel like the game plan he had against Houston really shows shows that they're flexible their game plan oriented. They're able to kind of switch things up on the fly. I've a lot of faith in them but they clearly have a lot of faith in him as well and we're GonNa see it's warranted yeah I mean I think that again the colts. I'm still work shopping my role pick but I'm still thinking I'm still thinking. The colts have a real good chance I mean there's as a real clear. WHO's your Rushmore A._F._C.? Contenders right now I it's the cold it's the Patriots it's the chiefs. It's chargers and that charge probably the list. Yeah I would agree with that. Where would you put within that realm? Browse the browser here just below that if not in it. How did you know I was Gonna ask that I mean because that's the clear team a lot E._S._p.? Here going on here. This is quite a connection. We've got going on today. <hes> <hes> maybe it's the new phone line that I got there were connected into each other's brains <hes> Yeah I. I think the Brad Lebron's probably a year away right yeah. That may be true. I don't know they're they're. It's one of those things where like you know I've done todd's people and and there's a lot of really smart people who were like they have among the most complete rosters in the N._F._l.. And at some point do that becomes a real real real thing yes. I'm one guy one more kind of down the list but probably on the list guy throughout their name. I threw out there is Greg Robinson. I think Robinson woke kind of come to define on the season in a certain way because if you're looking at that browns roster that is the one area where you would have concerns is what's going to happen on that. Offensive Line Can Austin Corbett come come in and start can't Greg Robinson Functionality Austin by the Austin Corbett was my original when I pitched his idea to you I said I mentioned Austin Corbett as one of the the most important people not because he's you know Tom Brady here but because if he's good that answers a lot of questions yeah and I think that that line is a huge question for them and kind of in that same vein if we're sticking on this conversation another guy I had on my list you kind of raise your eyebrow at the chargers Pat Meyer the chargers offensive line coach. It's going to be a huge factor in what happens in the A._F._C. Because the report that came out today about Russell Kun possibly missing the first six weeks of this. That's a huge deal because this offensive line is far away with with him in the lineup so now you're bringing in who third round rookie trae Pipkins to be your left tackle you have forest lamp coming in as a starter for the first time after being hundred for majority of his career to this this point and I absolutely think they need to make a trade at that position if it's going to be out for that long this is a team that could win the Super Bowl. You have a thirty seven year old old quarterback. This is not to be fucked with the you absolutely need to do everything you can to solidify that position right now Robert I love you. I love doing this podcast us with you. I've got employees out of <hes> chargers. Offensive Line. Coach is most important person in the league and give you Tom Brady thank you that's fine. Tom Brady's employees way either. Tom Brady's important player is going to go Carson Wentz there but now I just we gotta get so famous after that then I'm upgrading trading. I just think any quarterback who is in his forties. We've done this for four years now. At some point it's going to fall off what what does that look like when it does Peyton manning fell off the won the super bowl because of the pieces around him and at least something to do with maybe his intellect a little bit and his ability to get the ball were needed to be okay but on the other hand someone most those passwords ducks. What does Tom Brady's decline? Look like when it comes. I don't know Ron. Rivera told me that he bought the T._B.. Twelve twelve book and just got signed by Tom Brady. That's how much respect there is for Tom Brady and how he's aged in this in this week and so rodgers told told me that everyone just looks at him and how does it influence every single person Yup. <hes> Rogers had a great. I think it was breer. Somebody did it last year. Where are they basically said? That Rogers has adapted even though he's not in Foxborough you know working with with those guys. He's basically adapted the T._B.. Twelve method that is the default N._F._l.. Method method for aging and it's <hes> it's it's really interesting to watch so I'm done. I've never really shorted Tom Brady but I'm done shorting Tom Brady if if I was ever done <hes> and so I just think that his ability to reinvent an offense it's him and ballot check and Josh mcdaniels to you know I think they're probably GonNa go a little heavier this year. They don't really we don't know on a report to kill. Harry dot four passes in practice yeah <hes> so there's no so John Does Know Josh Gordon Right now no update from leaks spokesperson on on his <hes> his potential suspension being lifted or whatever so where'd did the Patriots go from here where it is Tom Brady go from here to they use James Devlin as a default defacto second tight end. Do they run the ball today's as is kind of a zig zagging kind of thing do they just keep throwing. You're running backs for twenty games this year. Instead of you know the tail end of the season. Last year is Sony Michelle the playoff guy I can you carry that into the season so Tom Brady at the center of a new innovative patriots offense is fascinating. Yeah I'm with you. I I watching what they do. In kind of how they evolve year to year is one of the coolest things about football so I don't disagree with that. I'll stick with a pretty big name here. At the next guy on my list is John Lodge. I think that now the forty niners you could throw out a bunch of different names as it relates to be Jimmy Garoppolo it could be but I just feel like like this is a huge season for whether or not he retains that job because the moves they made and you know getting D. Ford everything else you know hopefully they were enough but this team is in win now mode. Maybe more than any other team in the N._F._l.. Just in how much urgency they have so we'll see we'll I'll see if the moves worked and if I'm not sure how the heads roll their what ends up happening yeah agree I mean there's a lot of pressure for a team that lost starting quarterback last year. <hes> I think they overpaid a little bit but you know from what I hear they went with a model that is probably more common than you think around the League which is when they want a guy and that's sort of where you see some of the free agency decisions and what I'll say is we spend so much time talking about the eagles and the Patriots and like all these ruthless salary cap managers and there's there's a lot of that on league but most teams are dislike wow war but the salary cap later. I'm not saying the niners doing that. I'm saying that we <hes> they're there're a more traditional team than maybe I thought as far as <hes> some of the free agency overpays on that I saw yeah all right. Who's your next one? Oh last last one Carson Wentz I was actually I flip it too <hes> if he stays healthy that's if he stays healthy and is the quarterback when they gives. That's you're probably probably fifty champion. You're surrounded by good line soccer's alshon Jeffery to Sean Jackson who still got it. You know nate sub Feld. I'm I'm willing to bet is not nick foles. I think they like nate's. Outfield is a reason they let nick foles walk and didn't try to get anything for him. <hes> disenfranchise them all that that defense is the stacked those Mo Mowlam Jackson move is a type of move you win a super bowl with vinny curry's back for cheap. They got a lot of pieces there and it comes down to whether or not Carson Wentz can play sixteen games plus the playoffs yeah. I think that he's a he could win the M._v._p.. If he stays healthy and we've talked about almost did it rosters yeah yeah. We've talked about how loaded that roster is. We're in complete agreement there. My last one is a tough one for me. It's Mitchell trubisky. I the the feeling around bears camp with so interesting so many times over the last few years there have been all these questions you know. What is this GonNa be like? How's this GonNa go in there? Just aren't that many questions about the bears. We know what the offense is. We know what it's GonNa. Look like we know what the skill position talent is like. They brought back everyone. The defense offense for all the moving parts is going to be very good again can Mitchell trubisky get better is the only question that matters about this team. It's it just it's all that matters. Is he going to be better in twenty nine thousand nine. Hey and if the robber no then there are nine win team. If the answer is yes then who knows what they could be ages it seems so simple and I know it's probably reductionist the people on the outside but that is what matters here and in terms of my enjoyments and my happiness Mr football season. It's really all that has any. It's the only thing that has any Barry Hey Robert. I thought of another question sure he can make a kick. I mean sure when you can throw that out there but I feel like the kicking is going to be fine. It's getting enough. You're GONNA be fine. They kick the the vacillation and kind of the I don't know the difference in how good or bad the kicking can be. I feel like it's going to be in a pretty narrow range inch that. You're bisky thing is far more important to me. That's it I'm done. I got my kicker dig in. Thank you buddy. I really appreciate that all right. That's all we got. I'm having the fame game tonight. We will be back at several more camps. I actually probably will not be so I may not be in any camps by next time we record what I actually will be at home this weekend. You'll have you have hall of fame. You Have Hall of fame observations. That's true that is true. I will have that that's pretty much all have for the next show but we will get back twice next week as we will be for the rest of the preseason and the rest of

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The Lightning Round Podcast #203: Its time to start evaluating guys

Bolts from the Blue

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The Lightning Round Podcast #203: Its time to start evaluating guys

"Uh-huh in this is the lightning round podcast with your host. Garrett's this the NJ legal charges go. Thanks for joining us here on the podcast for Jamie. Who is add lightning underscore round on twitter? I am at Garissa. Sti and the chargers find and yet another way to lose ballgame. And we'll talk about it but first let's give a big thank you to our boy Sam so we got a very generous donation from Sam Gilbert. So thank Husam and Samson a little note. He says this is not for the alcohol this week but for next week specifically when on the final drive rivers throws a pair a prayer resulting in an interception option and fans complained that mild contact didn't result in DPI. I of course shelby the loudest these voices and looking forward to it eagerly but thought I should compensate and say you guys now very nice to look in the future and predict how the chargers will lose the and but I would add to that that you know on twitter. Everybody will defend rivers blamed the offensive line yet and won't talk about reverse on that interception late though blame the play call and say he's got the worst offensive of line league and it's not his fault he doesn't believe in the line because they never protect him. And what choice did he have but to throw it to the defense because there was no other option so yeah no exactly exactly. It's GonNa have. Well thank you sir. We appreciate it so coming off the bye week. The chargers made some minor tweaks. We're GONNA talk talk about that. We'll talk about what happened during the game and to the lineup to make some changes One of them. Of course we can talk about just jump in here was special teams teams so the big change was after the bye week. Troymaine pope took over the returning duties returning punts in place it has king who had his family issues last game and and of course pope then fumbles in his starting duty. Yeah that was a perfect adjustment to make hindsight hindsight insight being what it is. Of course. We're all getting a little annoyed. With the way desmond king was handling punt returns. You know running with his back to the field trying to catch the ball as he's running towards the end zone fumbling balls muffing balls. He was not making good decisions Clearly and it was something that was making most of us very uncomfortable and and it was something that needed to be addressed but maybe we could have addressed it with talk During practice or in a one on one with linen king instead of benching the guy who is still your best punt returner and pudding or one two three four string running back on the on the field return punts. I'm just saying you know that. It seems like maybe a little. Bit of an overreaction. Okay a lot of an overreaction trying to mix things up trying to make a play I get it but your fourth string running back instead of your return man have a talk with them. Reinforce what you want him to do. take some of his freedom away on the field if you have to you but don't take them off the field. I mean it was just a gross overreaction to for a guy who had not yet cost them the game even though it seemed like he might at some point do that I think it was something you could correct. Without pulling them off the field yeah Also felt misguided and misplaced because out of all the changes you can make after the bye week. You're going on special teams and take does out. I mean I hated that. They did that I think. The chargers have not had an electric returner in a while. And we've talked about for years and does king was always providing a spark and I know you know he was like you were talking about. He muffed a couple of months. We got kind of overlook. Look that he made some bad choices running backwards doing a lot of dancing but I mean it just seems like there are focused on the wrong thing. King is the best what they have you got to deploy him MS returner because this team has nothing going on either side of the ball if you can get some sparkling special teams. That's great turning to troy main pope after the bye week. The focus is completely raw. There's so many changes you can make on offense and defense when you WANNA switch up with an extra week to work with switching up your punt returner made. No sense is a costume. Yeah we've been preaching holding people accountable and I get that and while I on the one hand applaud them for trying to hold somebody accountable. He had had not yet done anything that really warranted holding them accountable to that degree. Like I said you WanNa pull him aside and talk to them. Great you WanNa take him off the field for a COUPLA LA punt returns during a specific game great you know you want to reinforce what you WanNa do on the field and take some the freedoms away fantastic but don't pull them off the field entirely for a game came when you're you know you're back against the wall and you feel like your only chance to make the playoffs and make some noise. This season is to run the table. And you're pulling your best retirement off the field. It was the wrong guy to hold accountable for sure. Now there are a lot of different ways. They could've gone to hold people accountable and we'll talk about some of that here moving forward. I'm sure but Dez was the wrong choice. It was an overreaction and it was a guy who it just seemed like like you said it was out of place it wasn't needed wasn't necessary one move that is on the other side of this and that was actually pretty nice as we saw tranquil getting a lot more Starting time here in Kaiser white getting a little bit more playing time Scaling back who snaps at Sam this week. Yes so a tranquil start at middle linebacker on Sunday and looked really good. He finished second on. The team in tackles had three tackles for loss at a couple. Real Nice plays where he. He read screens early in the play. And made those tacos. Behind the scrimmage scrimmage to break up screenplays he was all over the field and was very active in the run game looked very very good and white played a lot a little surprising. At least for me. I know they've done it throughout the season. Little surprising. That white is playing Sam at his eyes. You'd think he'd be playing. Will we all kind of assume they had drafted him into play the well position a couple years ago and now you know he's it seems like he's surpassed their second round Sam Zoo on on the depth chart for whatever reason and and do not really getting the plane time in pass rush situations aside from starting at Sam so some some interesting decisions but I thought tranquil really good like I said made some plays very active in the running game and Kaiser had a couple of really nice flashes particularly in in pass defense Almost pick on an early drive early in the first quarter and then broke up a throw into the end zone to save touchdown later on I think in the same drive so it looked very very good. He only had three tackles but he played twenty-seven snaps. And that was. I believe it was the fourth most snaps. He's played from a defensive standpoint all season so nice to see him starting to get some more snaps although would like to see new also getting on the field somewhere at some point. Even if it's not Sam Yeah Yeah and like we talked about when he took over for. Leo Melvin Ingram was out he he was great so to to not get him in more snaps is a pass. Rusher is a little concerning but I think the move to tranquilize was a starter and moving your white with some more playing time was a good move. You talked about the past. Break up on On the almost interception from White Pass break up I I know a fan in the end zone. There are a lot of very good place from why tranquil second team tackles. This season is a lost. It's now and playing. Thomas Davis at this rate is beyond pointless so I don't know why you'd keep playing Davis when he's not your linebacker for the foreseeable future so he's been a big negative as it is but getting more time for white and tranquil is very important from going forward here on out and I ah I thought Whiten tranquil did a beautiful job taking the middle field. A you talked about in pass defense. I counted because I was watching tranquil and white Both of them combined retargeted seven seven times there was two catches and they gave up a total of seven yards so very good Not only covering backs out of the backfield but also in the middle of the field seven yards on on Seven targets is is very good so you know we know with Thomas Davis has done all year. He gave up a pretty important third down. Pass late night game You know I it's it's time to start evaluating for the future in real game action. Get Kaiser what more time kids you tranquil. More Time Tranquil has earned his time even though he had that boneheaded own headed special teams player ran into the into the owner. But it's now time to give Kaiser white his because he flashlight on Sunday. Yeah I totally agree. I think you know you think they want their second round pick on the field as much as possible. Whether it's Leo are as a situational rusher or at Sam I think you know. They're obviously concerned about his ability to cover or he'd be on the field more at the San Position and they liked the fact that Kaiser can turn and run with tight end like no fan which is no easy task so so Definitely getting those two on the field and makes them more athletic Helps them cover against the pass. Both of them are capable coming downhill and making tackles in the running game It just gives you options that makes you faster. makes him more athletic. Makes you more explosive. In the middle of the field. Lousy to cover sideline to sideline allows allows you to cover deep early you know deep intermediate with your linebackers and it just opens up with able to do on the field with the middle of that defense and and you know I agree with you. It doesn't seem like Davis is or at least should be part of the future. I know he signed a two year. Deal Hopefully this one year experiment is over and they find a way to get Kaiser on the field as a as a Will next year and maybe get maybe get new also on. The field is a SAM next year but definitely time start evaluating especially at that linebacker position. They've had so many issues over the last three or four years to be really get those young guys on the field see how they hold up coverage see how they hold up against the run. Maybe even see if you can get something out of them as Blitzer is It's all positive at this point to be uh-huh Lavallee wait those things And you can't do that as well with Davis on the field and I mean you know. Look at Denzel Perriman. He was I find a little hard to believe he was the highest highest rated charters linebacker and I believe is the highest rated defender in the League by F F this this week which is a little hard to believe but he only played seventeen eighteen snaps and he had a pick and three tackles was better than you know. He was rated higher and better than than Davis and limited snaps. So all three of those guys outperformed Davis and Davis probably played every single defensive snapper at least you know the vast majority of them right because he went down with that knee injury that that looked ugly for a second second but he was right back in there. So then we saw the return of a two starters that we've been waiting all year for Adrian Phillips Derwin. James made their return on Sunday. Both had four tackles Derwin had a tackle for loss which was really nice seeing the run game but seems like both were a little bit tentative a not just because they didn't really make a a big impact but it kind of felt like they were getting their feet under them a little bit Phillips got deked in the hole in the run game in that second quarter. I believe that Derwin ran himself out of a running play as well also. It was pretty apparent that both guys. We're kind of just adjusting as the game was going along. I think we'll see more of an impact from those two. I'm sure as the season goes on which isn't going to help the tank. But you know kind of a quiet day for James and Phillips but as you can Kinda see when you're keeping your eyes on Derwin thirty one and thirty three that they were kind of thinking a little bit and kind of just getting used to that game action. I thought I thought Phillips Played Pretty. Well he did get that he did miss that one tackle in the hole in the run game. I think he was already out out of the play. By the time the running back was coming through the hole but he had the first third down. Stop at the game. He had a couple of really big hits and coverage where he cut somebody down before they could turn turn the ball upfield and pick up a first down so he looked pretty good. I thought Derwin they were running away from him most of the game trying to keep him from having huge impact so he he did not have a huge tackle total but I think just having him on the field. The having that leadership is huge for the team so like you said not GonNa help the tank but what makes them makes defense more fun to watch at least yeah. Yeah definitely and not to say that they play bad at all but not the impact that everybody had expected in this game they thought they would take pretty easily on Sunday in Denver. Let's go ahead and move on We saw Michael Davis was serving his suspension. So that meant that they played brand face on the second quarter so They ended up going with face on on the outside. Yeah I was a a little surprised that they did that just because I thought they might want to try to get Jaylen Watkins and King on the field the same time whether that was walk ins playing the outside and king playing inside or vice versa. It just seems like those are the two best players at those positions in some combination so to to take Watkins off off the field and played face on out. There was a little disappointing because it just seemed like they missed an opportunity there to get one of their more energetic. Better defenders on the field More more frequently. The face on didn't necessarily hurt them in that game Surprisingly it was Casey Hayward that hurt them more than anyone in coverage but You know I think face on is kind of a weak link and somebody who could get exposed if he continues to be out there. So hopefully they wrote walk they rotate Watkins in there at that the slot corner and they may give king a chance to play outside a little bit just to continue getting their best players on the field to see what they have in walk ins evaluate elliot him for next year and not get burned by having face on out there. Because I still don't see what so. Many people see him early in the year. He was awful but you know as much as we bagged on him. I thought he played pretty. Good on Sunday He made a really good red zone. Tackle the run game. wasn't a liability at all which is a positive. Obviously so I thought it looked pretty good as a run defender. I was really surprised because that eight kind of looks like a zero so I always thought it was Dez. king-making those tackles but a couple of times brandon face on so it didn't hurt the team like you mentioned Casey Hayward who was on the other side which was surprising. But you know not having Jaylen Watkins out there I mean I get you got to start evaluating guys now. Oh and having Jaylen Watkins would be nice but I. I'm sure the team wants to still evaluate face on because they had high hopes for him going into this year and obviously it didn't work out early out out of the year and they want to get an extended look on that second year player. So you know I understand it from that standpoint. I don't hate it could go either way with it but I know that if you're gonNA leave Brenna face on at at some point he's going to start getting picked on because they didn't really throw his way that often and he wasn't a liability because of that but listen if they started going after face on it's going to be a bad time because it wasn't very good start the year. Yeah I mean I think moving forward it makes sense to play face on and as much as I don't necessarily WANNA see him out there but I thought going into that game where you still had a very slim chance to make the playoffs and you need to run the table. You'd WanNa have your best players on the field and they didn't really do that man now now at four and eight you know like we're talking about evaluating white evaluating tranquil I think he wanted the same thing with With face on so hopefully they figure out what they have in him. And maybe upgrade the position in the off season but I I am for one shocked that when the chargers needed to go all in that they did not and it didn't go with their best players on the field and decided to just go with what they had the best players right. So why wouldn't they do at this time. They always put their best just one forward. They had a win. They had to go win out the rest of the year rather than playing their best players. They're just GONNA go business as usual. Status quo baby all the way the last year. Let's just keep doing the same thing. It's going to work eventually. Keep doing it work one of these times. Let's talk about Let's talk about Jerry. Tillery he had seventy yeah. I think we do because that. You and I- dogged on and I think Gotcha we can take a little victory lap already. I know we can't do that. It's not even this his first year but obviously his snaps declining. I mean seven this week. PF has grade tillery Korea the worst defensive tackle in football. He's the worst graded first round pink according. Pf We talked about how you know. Maybe that Perryman gray was a little shaky so take this with a grain assault. But that's obviously not good in terms of grading. But you know I think I think Hillary probably needs to get some more snatch because now we're going to Yvonne Mode and you gotTa let's see what you got and tillery and so far. It is not looking good so I think at some point. You've got to start going forward. The Brandon me being experiment is done a without. It was done. Essentially when they picked him up free agency we hated that move. You and I both did. And then they sent him again and he's got two more years and I think an experiment is done. I I think you know. I'd also like to add that. Justin Jones breakout season Has Yet to come. That's been a complete flop. He had a good game. Aim and a half this year and then got hurt. A flash got hurt and in fact that whole interior defensive line has been promo year but You know look the the breakout your Justin Johnson's of working out get Jerry. Tillery is your first round pick. You think he's pretty good and then you hear. Did you hear the comment from just from Anthony. Lynn today saying saying that pressure is more important than sacks. Yeah yeah that's bullshit. Can you believe that I mean what does that even mean. It means. He's trying to build the confidence of a player. WHO's playing well? In what world is the pressure more important than a sack. It's not it's not. I mean I guess you could make the argument that sometimes if view don't quite make the sack but you pressure the quarterback enough in the right way he might throw a pick is over. But you know you've got to take context into account and clarify which which pressures are better than sacks. Yeah and so far. I can't think of one Jerry tillery pressure that would would have been better than a sack Zach. Can you know a sack is what a pressure strives to be. And that's what you WanNa do is so you're not even there that makes no sense. It's bullshit I hate pressures. I hate that whole mentality of at least. It's getting pressure on the quarterback. Yeah it's great when you know forcing them into bad throws and stuff but if you're just in their face I mean you want to sack him every time ten ten times that makes no sense and how quickly is the pressure getting there because most of Hillary's pressures whereafter like four or five seconds in the pocket where the quarterbacks already found his target and somebody's open and he's just getting ready to the ball so yeah like I said context matters in all things context matters and no Jerry tillery pressures are not better than sacks and it's disappointing to hear Lynn. Try to sell that. That's ridiculous I mean. That's that's McCoy ish. I mean that is. He's starting to creep into that. Our best fifty three and all that bullshit shit because now that is so empty his pressures. He's getting a lot of Is He is he getting pressures. I don't think so man and even if he is sexy. Saks is going to be better than pressures every day. I think he's had like seven pressures all season. Something like that very low number and the other thing with him to is. They're not even using him in past situations they're not using him like on obvious third down passing situations as much as they should be. They drafted him because they thought he would. Collapse APPS the pocket and get after the quarterback inside his one strength although questionable in college was rushing the passer and they're not using them in pass rushing situations. Since he's you know he's getting he's losing playing time to guys like square and Rochelle. Who would admittedly Rochelle is pretty good in those situations but I mean what did you pick the guy for you? Don't want him on the field against the run that's not as forte. Because you can't go on his feet and now you don't want him on the field to rush the passer when that was supposed to be the thing that he was bringing me I i. Just don't I don't know anymore. Yeah it was. The athleticism is going to win on on the inside their speed. And you blow up plays and be disruptive and change plays in. I'm still waiting for it. Yeah I mean there's still I hope we haven't given up on him but boy it sure looks like what we said it was. I mean he just told you so we we do not Komo well. It'd be the fun in that. I mean you know we. We talked about the lack of counters. We talked about the PAD level concerns turns. We talked about the frame because he's very long and lean. He's not the short compact in interior defensive. Linemen that you normally want and every. He's basically live down Oliver Expectations and granted. It's his first season and he's still learning and some people like to point out. That defensive tackles never make an impact in their rookie season while. I'm pretty sure that's not entirely true. So obviously being the worst defensive tackle in football according to pf not it's not. I don't think it's the worst. I don't think it's the worst I think it was third or fourth. I think one twenty six out of one twenty nine. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit. You are He's he's great as the one hundred and twenty six out of one hundred twenty six qualifying defensive tackle. I knew was one twenty six but I thought it was twenty six twenty nine so talking about an impact just anything I mean I get. Maybe rookies have tough. And it's it's hardly inside going against those big bodies in the offensive line but The worst the worst. Yeah for a first round player by a lot. I'm sure yeah I mean the first round the last guy on their board award with a first round grade the last guy with a first round grade and he can't get on the field tackle right. He gets pressures. Yeah Yeah No I. I haven't watched the other one hundred twenty. How many defensive tackles two hundred and twenty three to one hundred and twenty other defensive tackles but I would say that's not very very good according to PF? I'm just saying I haven't. I don't know because I've watched every other defoe tackle but I would say that Jerry Taylor that sounds maybe about right He. He hasn't played very good. He's not played very well. He spent a lot of time on the ground on his ass. Getting run over balances and good pad level isn't good. There's no no technique there's no no counters. Nothing so congratulations on wonderful rookie season Jerry. I didn't think we'd go down as is Robert here. We are that kind of loss will do that to Ya. This episode is brought to you by. CBS Sports HQ so much sports TV TV nowadays is full of made up trauma. It's a bunch of hot takes from people who don't even believe what they're saying just beating the same topics into the ground but CBS sports H.. Q. 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Start because you know. The chargers have yet to score a touchdown on their opening drive. Have they scored nine total points on opening drives this season. I looked it up. And they've lost every game in which there are trailing after the first quarter so they'll they haven't won a lot of games this year once they dig themselves at a whole they can never survive it. They didn't again. This is the second time against Denver to They were down big against Denver in the first quarter last time in La so this is a team. That's having not only problems when they get in the red zone and fishing games but they're not doing good when they start the games either. So they're not starting well. They're not performing well in the middle of the game and they're not finishing well right. Sounds like a winning recipe right. Follow me here. It's good I ran the stats on that. And that's no boy Eh. That's bad okay. Yeah that's bad. Yeah lots of problems and in that whole game. I don't know if you've got the same feeling. We were talking about this on on tax attacks earlier today but I felt like watching that whole game. They were just sitting sitting back and waiting for drew. Lock to make a mistake was alright locks gonNA throw pick. He's GonNa turn it over. He's going to give a chance to win the game. Just stay close. Just hang around. And and lock will lose the game for for the for the broncos and they got the one took the one turnover they got they got it in the fourth quarter. They got it in prime position to score points and take advantage of it and they didn't even get a yard on the possession after the turnover. you just think that a team that's back back against the wall. It would be a little bit more desperate on offense and be taking more chances and they just didn't although I did like the way they are able to run the ball down the broncos throat in the second half that's pretty good defensive front seven and they had a lot of success worrying that ball from about the middle of the second quarter through the end of the game Just didn't run on enough seven carries for fifty five yards for Gordon and not enough touches in my opinion for Gordon in the second half of that game with the way he was running the ball or when it mattered on that last drive when it was third one and they threw a short of the executed Allen. Yeah so let's let's just let them pack a couple of things here. Oh you're you're starting to Piss me off your gift set again. I didn't play the game. I didn't make that throw I running short on the Knicks. So let let's back it up a little bit and let's talk about the way Anthony. Lynn managed or chose not to manage the clock at the end of the first half. Now I know. They scored a touchdown prior to halftime. We'll say hey man at worked so he knew what he was doing. No so the the broncos get the ball back with I think to thirty left on the clock at the end of the at the end of the first half. The chargers have all three timeouts and they have done nothing offensively. They have three points. They're down fourteen at this point and there is no desperation they go. I think they three now on the previous possession and Anthony Eland sits there and lets the broncos run one play and run the clock all the way down and the two minutes and then he goes the rest of that drive the rest of that possession. I think without calling a timeout. I'm out if I'm not mistaken. I don't think they call a timeout on that possession so I think the chargers get the ball back with like a minute. Twelve something like that on the clock doc and three timeouts and they score quickly so they didn't have to use their timeouts. They had a busted coverage on Mike Williams they had a busted coverage on on an awesome on beautiful play designed by the way that was probably the best play that touchdown to Ecuador was part of the best play they designed. Maybe I'll season certainly the entire game. Yeah Yeah but he basically made a decision there that he was okay with not getting the ball back at the end of the half that he was okay. With the broncos running the clock down it happened to work out in his favor but let's not pretend like that was a wise decision that he was managing the clock properly. He basically told his offense. I don't believe in you so we don't need to get the ball back at the end of the half and that's not a real good message to be sending your veteran quarterback of a team that you think still has a chance to make the playoffs. I mean that's not a huge vote of confidence there to say the least no it was the. Hey let's go to halftime and not make any adjustments. And of course they get lucky. Because has a couple of defenders collide and Mike Williams that Nix that fifty two yard catch and then a couple of plays later makes that that nice touchdown catch on the wheel route but that it does not mean that they manage that situation properly There are some real real big concerns about anti cloud management and in game decisions in that game that had been kind of festering over the last several games but it really reared its ugly head twice. I thought in that game what did you think. Yeah no definitely and and for the last drive. I was pretty disappointed in the third down. Play call that was too key now and which made him shorter the sticks. I thought they should've ran the ball on third down and I thought that was four down territory there. I thought they should've gone and tried to win the game there because Anthony Lens been trying to do is win win the game at the end of games. He's he did it all last year We talked about the balls took to go for two and Kansas City. There was a lot of games where he went. Went for the kill and got it and this year they've been on the ugly side of all that of these close games but I thought the call was and I just assumed they were just going to run around third down. Get that first down if you don't it's four down territory. Let's drive down. We're close enough to score here anyway so to then decide. Decide that we're going to throw it sticks on one shorter sticks right which makes no sense but okay great. Play by. Doesn't Simmons by the way a AH awesome close and closed there on that play but definitely should have got the first on Din so what maybe half yard short at that point inches. They were really close. Decide to kick the field goal and tie it rather than try to run as the success that they've had other than that Ostanek ler play that they tried late the game but Trying to run it on third down would have made sense if not there. Why not trying to force down and try to go for the win? I mean you gotTa Start Winning Games here and so- kicking a game on the road in Denver in the altitude just didn't really make a ton of sense to me. And when they did it it was it was fine. Badgley made his kick and they were tied. I wasn't I'm very happy with it. And then of course the last play with a pass interference was just awful. Yes and that whole sequence to end the to end. The chargers final drive was just frustrating. strating I believe that was the same drive where Gordon look like. He picked up a first down on a pass and they marked in a yard short and Anthony Lynn and did not challenge it or they didn't review in the booth at least I think Gordon if I recall correctly Gordon caught a pass on the left side of the line. Nine ran towards the first down. Marker turned his back and tried to back way into a first down instead of running over defender and looked like he got the first down. The announcer said Oh. I down chargers and the ball was marked a yard short and it was never reviewed anthony. Lynn didn't even seem to question it. They just went right. Along ran a play right away. Didn't even give the boot the chance to review it and then they throw it short of the sticks on third down which I will never understand. That's it's about the softest decision to play caller make the NFL And when they did that my my assumption was Oh for territory I was already thinking it was four territory but when you throw it shorter the sticks on third down. You're assuming you're going to go for it on fourth down no matter what so. I was pretty shocked that they that they brought the well. I went for that. We're going to go for it. Fake that never fools anybody no wasted time burner timeout and then they kick the field goal. Just a horrible sequence of events there I agree look. Where's the desperation right? We've seen Anthony Lynn with his back against against the wall. Go forward in those situations. We saw him do it in Kansas City last year. Go for two in the win instead of going to overtime because he didn't like the chances of winning in overtime This is virtually the same situation. That was a two point conversion from the two yard line. This is fourth in one inside the twenty yard line so why not go before give it to give it to To Watch or give it to Gorden run behind. What do whatever you have to pick up that first down? Keep the clock running. Try to put the ball in the end zone. Maybe take a couple shots at the end zone. Even take a shot at the end zone on third down run a play fake and run it through it down the field instead of throwing it behind the sticks on third and one which I just. I don't get it. Are you trying to win. Are you not trying to win. Do you WanNa make the playoffs or are we trying to tank. I mean if you're trying to just tell me a good job good job. Try to take but I don't think that's the case. It seemed like they were going to go for it if recall. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think they initially. The offense was out there. Go for it and Lynn freaked out and call a timeout out and called them back then they sent them out for the fake. Yes so they're gonNA go for Linden like it. He calls him back so now like okay. They're not going for it. Then he sends them out again to fake go for it. Which of course didn't fall anybody? It's just a just so frustrating. Just a waste of time a waste of effort when they should be lining up and running the ball down their throat with a running back. WHO's averaging at yards a carry in the second half? I just I don't get it. Yeah no me neither and And so the last play play the game that well the kick was last week game but that pass interference man. Do you think it was pass interference or no. I know everybody's going back and forth on twitter. I've got a different reaction after watching it so I've watched it a few times after the game. My initial reaction was. I don't think that's a call that should be made in that situation. I think you could make make an argument either way which is why I think it probably should not have been pass interference. I think there's a lot going on their first of all Casey. Let's Camp Sutton or not Camp Sutton Portland set and get behind him. which in that situation is unforgivable? Then he recovers. He cuts him off so already he's obstructing his route to the ball and there's contact so I can see initially at full speed where the official might think that's pass interference. But in my opinion Casey was turning his head to make a play on the ball. He initiated the contact with Sutton tried to run through them. I don't think it should have been opie I for sure. I'm kind of fifty fifty on whether it was pass interference I get it. I just didn't like it in that situation and I think the real problem here is unlike college where that pass. Interference is a fifteen yard penalty l. d. and the NFL to spot fell. So that's part of the problem there if it's a fifteen yard penalty it doesn't matter but because it's a spot foul it's a killer and it completely -pletely changes the game so I didn't care for it. I can see an argument either way I it seemed like Casey initiated the contact but but Sutton leaned into it in my opinion he tried to run through Casey. So I think that's one of the. The official has to sit on his sit on the flag in my opinion watching it live. It sucks because you think why why why throw a flag. That's too important of a time in a play to do that but well rewatching it. There's a lot going on I think. Hey we're definitely initiated the contact he jumped into Sutton but from the end zone angle drew lock made a bad. Yeah throw that throw was supposed to be between the two defenders that was into your head so the so the ball. So Casey Hayworth. Got The sideline Cameron Sutton Jenkins running with them. So they basically bracketed cameras. But racial wasn't close enough. Casey had the silent and drew locks throw was bad add. We're supposed to split the two defenders but it sailed to the sideline so virk. Yeah so the way it went over Casey Hayward's head and because hayward jump trump he impeded the path. The Cameron to now you got me saying cameras to two sons. Pass the ball. Going to the going to the sideline so as ref in that ankle you see certain tried to run towards the ball and hayward is then jumping into them to block his path at that point I understand it. He's interrupting pat of the ball. That's an awful play from Casey Hayward he shouldn't let him run by him the only play they have and Casey were should've known it gushes. I should've let them know on the sideline. Everybody knows what's going to happen at that play. That's just an awful play by hayward cost the chargers the game he was on the end of the other two touchdowns too so so He he he had a terrible game rewatching it from the end zone angle. You can kind of see that because the ban throw because of the angles trying to take and because was Hayworth's running with sudden and then turns his head and jumps into him at the last minute it kind of all look bad and the cost of the penalty so to me. It was a penalty. But you don't don't want a rift a call at that moment. You hate to see that happen. I guess my question and I said this at the time and I still feel it after watching it. was that a catchable achievable ball. That had even land inbounds it did. Yeah Atlanta's downs. Based on where Sutton was and based on where Hayward was. I don't know that Sutton could have got to that ball. Aw I don't throw I don't think he could have got under it but it was like in the vicinity and in the in inside the boundaries. So I guess that's the judgment but no watching because you watch it a million times because it's the it's the play the cost of the game but there's no way he could Iran under that got that in time. Yeah I I. Don't I think that was a good like five ten yards away from where he was on the field at the time even if it was inbounds it was such a bad throat and was so far outside that even even if he gets through Casey and leaves his feet like jumps for it delays out for it I don't even think he gets to it. No then Casey's Casey's taken a lot a flak for the way he played in that game I would say you know the first touchdown which I believe was the diving touchdown mistaken. That was a hell of a catch. Oh yeah yeah elvis him but locked put that were only sutton could catch it and he caught that one armed There are some people saying they thought the ball moved. And that it should have been touchdown questionable. I guess but man. He made a hell of an acrobatic. Catch out of that So you gotTa Give Sutton Credit for making a play block for making the throw. Casey gets beat but he recovered and he was right there. He just couldn't get to the ball based on where it was so that one you know it's hard to get too upset with him. I'm for that the second one I mean Sutton's wide open. He just completely lost. Looks like everybody's confused. I don't know if it was Casey or the safety or somebody else who was supposed to drop back and pick that up. But that's just a bad all the way around and Sutton seem like he was open all day every anytime they needed a play from him. It seemed like he was there and most did them. Were Against Casey. So certainly a rough day for Casey During a week of course where he's talking about being the best corn league getting any love and he goes out and gets roasted by a second year wide receiver so not a good look tough game. I definitely don't put that. I touch on case hayward he was maybe a step step behind him but he dovan on. I thought he might have got a fingertip on it but he was close enough. I wouldn't put that on hayward that was just a great throw great catch but The the second touchdown and then of course that that penalty at the end were tough but That will do it. We're done today. Appreciate you guys listening. I'm accuracy on twitter. Jamie emme lightning round and we will see next time that's already.

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GSMC Fantasy Football Podcast Episode 293: Chiefs/Texans Recap, DFS Selections, Start/Sit, Weekly Rankings

GSMC Fantasy Football Podcast

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GSMC Fantasy Football Podcast Episode 293: Chiefs/Texans Recap, DFS Selections, Start/Sit, Weekly Rankings

"Golden state media concepts fantasy football podcast is your one stop shop for fantasy football news and advice decided rooted draft first round cowing Gaga and out a lot of your team. Got You covered additionally designer Steve Lee he arlene I. DP. Even daily, fantasy. Football League, Joanna's we break down all the questions of fantasy football. It's the golden state media concepts, fantasy football podcasts. What's going on everybody? Welcome to the GSM see fantasy football podcast brought to you by the GMC podcast network. I'm your host Emmett, Wineman Ladies and Gentlemen Week One is finally underway. We just had the Texas and the chiefs kick off last night and. Game from an entertainment perspective, we all chiefs we're going to win that game Texans. They just don't have the firepower to match up with the chiefs Why don't we just dive right into it? I'm ready to go guys this week. One is here. It's here. It's not tomorrow it's not next week. It's actually it is tomorrow. But. It's here. It's here. You don't have to wait anymore no more draft is on more mock drafts boring stuff's gone guys aren't the boring stuff is gone. We have a great great show today We'll about the game and low bit but we got some great stuff coming up. Later we're going to get into a betting segment later. All right daily fantasy picks for the week DFS. You guys love draftkings fan like playing that stuff in your twenty five dollar pools even though I don't think that's going to make any money. Heck I give you some pics for some entertainment and that will also give one spread pick out in the NFL. I like. later, we're going to start him sit him again. try to tie it in with the DFS 'cause there's some guys on. That I also would start and Those are probably my picks in terms of just find the best value because that's what it's about the end of the day when it comes to China bet but. We'll get into the DFS. Later we have top ten rankings this week we're GONNA. Go over quarterback running back receiver tight in defense I'll give out a couple I like and then a kicker doesn't really matter guys. Don't have to her. That's all my I mean I know draft is over for ninety percent of you but. Do. Not Draft to kick her. All right. Kickers are just you can go by the week it doesn't really matter You don't know what she it's really hard to project. So again, into that rankings later get into stardom system and defense, but let's break down this game first of all. Did I tell you guys David Johnson is a beast David. Johnson is back. He's back baby that two thousand sixteen David. Johnson with the cardinals. Oh. Boy. That man just came back to our damage came back I mean he did look good last night I mean I told you guys to huge problem with him. Then the reasoning getting a lot of injuries is because the cardinals offensive line is absolute dog crap. All right. When you when you give a running back, bad offensive line, what do you think's going to happen? He's just going to get bottled up in the backfield and he's going to get hurt and that's exactly what happened to David Johnson after that season in two thousand and sixteen where he led the league in all purpose yards I mean once Jimmy wants team saw that it's like all right. We gotTa Stop David Johnson Larry Fitzgerald's thirty, thirty five years old by now at least he's been in the League over ten years. So it's he's if we're going to cover him easily. Sell, out for David Johnson, and that's all they've been doing for against a car offense for the past three years and you know that's why I just been written off but now. With Houston I've been saying this guys he's the best weapon they have on offense. That's clear. That was absolutely clear last night. How'd How? About those Texas receivers let's break them down will fuller look good I I really think he looked good he could have done little bit more but on a couple of targets he got he looked good Randall Cobb he'd black I mean I saw Randall Cobb last year at the cowboys I thought he was a good players at three but in this offense he's going to have to step up a little bit more from the bunny he's make I mean. I'll take Randall Cobb on a five mil one yield one year deal. I'll take that all day but Radel COBB on ten year. No. Thanks. So Texans I don't know if they got a good signing out of that brandin cooks barely saw them last night i. mean it just felt like he wasn't in the game a lot. Maybe it was due to the fact that. He's injury prone or. I don't know maybe he's not high on the depth chart. But he was definitely definitely could have been better stills was the worst receiver out there. He couldn't keep it. There was like two three balls dropped. He dropped them back shoulder fade earlier in the game. I mean, he's probably the worst set of entire core but the point is none of those guys are better than David. Johnson in terms of skill. None of those David Johnson, you call crazy David Johnson might be able to step in as a receiver and be one of the top two receivers on that team. Darren, fails. So I think it was a sneaky giant player Now maybe I'm thinking of a different way. I got to be thinking. Easy giants, a raiders he was a backup. They cut him now he's a big time player in Houston. Now I mean the Shawn Watson you know getting a ballgame open in the middle because he's the only tight end they got but it just proves the sell like they got nobody on this receiving core is tight end course. So they're causing problems for Watson all day because number one it was I mean last night especially, it was bad because you have Chris, Jones and Chris Jones just causes absolute havoc in the middle He's really the only player that could stop mahomes and he just impacts game a different way he saw that early on so. Going into that, you're going to know Watson going to have to move around a lot and somebody's just gotta get open and there's a lot of times last night where I think Watson. He wasn't. He didn't see a lot of open men. I mean if you're GONNA send pressure is way and you're gonNA leave everybody men usually guys gonna come on top and for most of the gap that game that didn't really happen. He saw towards the end Texans really started. A tempt to rally back if you WANNA call it that but. Really it was just I. I'd say. Cheese were playing prevent defense. So when you're when you're thirty, one seven and you only the fourth quarter to go, your enemy is not the Texas it's the clock. So we talked I've talked about I feel like I have probably none of this podcast but. From fantasy perspective once your guy. I mean. If you'd like David Johnson I knew he wasn't going to get any points after that happened in the only points he was going to get is receiving and we'll talk about that after this but. With. Hugh Houston I mean they just they were just airing it out by the time. They were down by twenty one point. So that's why mistake starting to happen. They just had no shot and winning that game I mean once the chiefs really get a lead on you they're good at keeping a week. They could really rushed a passer They could play the same game you're playing just better. It's hard to beat them when you start shooting them out what I did say though. Is If you want to win the game versus chiefs I mean Bill O'Brien really has to get David Johnson involved and. David Johnson it just you have to use him to control the clock. It's. Something that detectives don't really do. I haven't really seen that with O'Brien. Partly, O'Brien's never really had a great running back until Johnson and in my opinion I mean he's had. What you call he's had airing foster, and then he kind of went with a bunch of guys before he got really a replacement for him and that's Johnson I. Mean he went and Carlos Hyde can't play through Johnson who was the game last night he looked horrible than ended up getting hurt he can't play either. So I mean this is the best running back. He's had and I just can't believe. That he didn't get him involved more in the receiving game and just use him. Here number one weapon I've been saying this and I'm not being biased I. Promise you guys who was a better weapon on that Texans offense and David Johnson. There's nobody. Nobody. Okay. Like. You can't tell me that will follow. Be Your number one part in a game plan over David Johnson. You can't. All right. David nonsense the only one on that team has proven to literally carry an entire offense. None of those guys can those are all secondary pieces so We'll see how the Texans little receiver by committee approach gets going I. Mean I listen. Here's my advice to O'Brien next week. Get Johnson Twenty touches again. All right he got about. Fifteen. Ish. Last night he got about ten ten carries I think and he got about two only two or three catches. He needs to get at least five catches and probably thirteen carries so. Get, going about Brian but he's he's GonNa have a lot of trouble coming up on at least he has a good quarterback so they have to shot, but it's not looking good for her Houston were really really flat last night. on the other side of the ball we'll talk about, Clyde, Edwards Larry I mean. Talk about fled he was the opposite of that. He was lightning. Very shifty running back. Obviously you see. I. Mean on the replay you see. Five Compact compact frame. Just have this ability to just sift through. linebackers just guys can't tackle. He's really hard to tackle and. It's it's hard to tackle a guy. Just, going off. Gravity, I mean, if you have low center of gravity Y- easy to balance yourself so. With him being so low. And on his cuts and stuff, I mean these big time linebackers and defensive Lineman have absolutely no shot to tackle them in terms of just elusiveness looseness this is going to break free, and then by the time he gets to defensive back could power them. If he has to the only thing, I'd say with Clyde. He's he's not really a power back I just I mean he could power a defensive back obviously because it's defensive. BET But. you saw them try to give it to them on goal line and he wasn't really that good. That could change over time. He could develop some more muscle. I don't know but he wasn't that good early on and go line and they didn't give they gave him zero catches. Zero. Mahomes not throw into him. Maybe they didn't call the place but Andy Come. You need to get that guy though those guys the ball in the passing game. I've been. I said this last podcast aren't we talked about four debt you need running backs that packed the passing game so when I'm talking about. Alvin Kamara zeke would sets those guys apart they're phenomenal in the passing game Johnson is phenomenal in the passing game to you saw that Zona. Clyde you saw that at Lsu so Get. Those guys involved because then the linebackers are going to start thinking their mind is GonNa. Spin. All right. If they see the running back, open their naturally they know that running back and impact the passing game they're going to go sprinting out to go cover that guy and their belief an open tight over the middle or if your quarterback mobile. So for guys like Watson Dak Mahomes is mobile I consider him mobile route Wilson. Leave a wide open hole for them to just take off up the middle for ten fifteen yards so. Stuff. Like that could really just be a whole other dynamic to the offense that I think these are missing out on especially with the guys that can really really do it and those are two guys so. I don't know. But in terms of points, they were awesome. Clyde was good debut for Clyde. He got a touchdown he had over one hundred yards. So you can't really complain if you had him same what David Johnson He had a hundred, all purpose. And we talked about how that matters I mean it's purpose guys is not hundred rushing is not just about rushing maybe in a standard but still I mean, I'm in a standard right now and those through three yards for thirty three, three catches for thirty. Excuse me those helped out a lot. So that's an extra three point PR. He was excellent for you. I mean, if you're running back gets one hundred, all purpose touchdown, you can't complain that's over fifteen point you can't complain. I had David Johnson projected at ten and standard The Computer Espn headed at eleven and he got sixteen can't complain. All right. So hopefully drafted him in your lease I was really really Driving. The boat in terms of or I should say driving the train in terms of the. David Johnson Fan Fan Club or whatever have you want to call it? But I really think he's got a bright future in that offense seem Clyde so I'm really looking forward to what those to do. And we guys we're GONNA get into break. We got a lot coming up. So I want to save some time to go over rankings and Deif eggnog but. we'll get into start sits. Because I WANNA run through those real quick. We did. We did a good amass starts sits last podcast by wanting run through some more and make sure you guys are having the lineup optimal peak for this Sunday and we'll get into the DFS and rankings coming up after the break. All right we'll be right back with some GMC in a second but first, we have to talk about our good friends from dollarshaveclub. If you haven't heard a dollar shave club has great razors. Let me be the first to welcome you into the club stop buying expensive razors out of the habit and start thinking about joining dollarshaveclub today right now throughout dollar Shave Club. Shave starter set for a one time trial offer of only five bucks plus shipping. After that you can continue to get an unimaginably smooth shave as raises refill ship at regular prices to your door as often as you want they'll shave club ultimate shave starter set comes with the six blade razor with a trimmer edge to refill cartridges in a one ounce tube of PREP SCRUB SHAVE BUTTER IN POST Shave. 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They got you covered that's GMC podcast, dot com slash footfall dash podcast, get updates, college rivalries, key insights, and much much more. It's football talk the way you want it this show each sleeps and breathes football. Don't forget to link on facebook and follow them on twitter visit. Yes. M. C. PODCASTS DOT COM for more INFO. and. All right welcome back to the GMC fancy football podcast. We are going to get into start since segment. Now we went over some of these guys I. Remember we went over last week but. I want to go through a more thorough list this week just to. Really try to give roundup of the guys with the best match ups versus guys that don't have good matchups, which is basically what starts is based around Now, when I say I mean a lot of people think start said they take it too literal aware. If say they have They have a good quarterback they have back. All right. Now my first start at quarterback as Mr Bisky. Now, if you have deck that doesn't mean you bench him and go get Mitch trubisky making your starter no use some commonsense guys. All right. If you have a middle of the line quarterback, say you have I dunno Josh Allen Baker something like a middle middle pack quarterback right then maybe you consider it. But if you've got a top guy, you don't have to take him out to go get a guy in the waivers. All right. It's all using commonsense guys you got. That's something I can't teach you, I mean you either have common sense you know but you guys should get the point of this. And we'll we'll go over trubisky down that I mentioned his name and who is he playing guys Ma- Patricia slow defense that defense stinks they were the worst defense in the league except for the giants and the giants are just on a whole `nother level but I mean the lines were horrible defensively they couldn't put any pressure on the quarterback their secondary was abysmal. I mean. Any secondary is going to be abysmal team can't rush the passer, but they were just even. Every receiver could easily get audrey guards on them. The quarterbacks had career days. Jameis. Winston had like five touchdowns in zero zero picks on that Defense Jamison Winston. Did you guys see as he's now with third team quarterback on the saints? He can't even beat out Tyson Tyson I keep calling of Tyson Tyson Hill for second team job. He couldn't even beat that guy he can't throw a football. Or so what does that say about James I mean James done he's washed up at this point but he has five touchdowns and zero picks or it was four or five touchdown on the defense I believe last year was zero interceptions. Okay and that defense barely improved they lost area sleigh May Got Jeff Okuda is that really a big change? Is it really a big change? I. Mean Is Jeff Okuda going to go out here and you know be even of Jeff Okuda's jalen Ramsey sanders you can't make up for all the holes they have more defense. All right. You just can't. It's way like their lines thinks all right I. Know they signed the Patriots got but. Matt, Patricia you've got like Bill Belichick doesn't go out and sign these big time players. You gotta develop these guys. You've got to coach Amok come on man, but it's I don't think that stuff is going to change and I. Definitely. Don't expect a lions defense to come out here and just start Rockin trubisky. Now, this is going to be. Very slow game, and that's what you're bisky needs. He needs there he can't anticipate throw. So he needs quarterbacks you can't anticipate roast any very slow defenses defenses that are going to pressure them defenses that you could just sit back and you can go okay one guy's not open he's not open he's but you get the ball out but that I mean the elite quarterback sticking make those rates in a matter milliseconds trubisky can't do that. So the only way he's going to do that is if he has a slow defense and that's exactly what the lines are so listen. I know the Bologna reports coming out. Oh. Geeze improved his foot work is in no leadership up. That's Baloney come on wease same player. You just made a bad pick Ryan pace to stop with all this nonsense. He's thinks all right, but he's going to do over the lies because everybody does. So that's why he's the start. Next guy big bag same I mean Big Ben I love this week in terms of a start just due to the fact same thing he's going up against the slow defense the giants can't cover anybody. All right. They just cut their first round pick who got arrested for some house invasion or something but. I mean they cut him. They have a kid who they drafted in the supplemental draft. Go to I are they brought in I don't know his name but I mean, they finally got rid the Jack Rabbit who needed a he was horrible but still the giants they are horrible on. Defense. Horrible. All right. Big Bend First Game Back. He I think he's going to do pretty well at home. Give me Big Ben all day. And then my final start, which is probably my favorite. Cam Newton. Cam Newton versus the Miami Dolphins and another Miami Dolphins we said they have Byron Jones now to go xavien Howard. That's a really good cornerback do well, they brought in Van Noy they brought in Another drafted Defensive Lineman. So they're they're slowly but surely trying to make some big moves and improve that team We're here's the thing. WHO's their head coach? Bryan flory's all right. He's a ballot check disciple. All right bill bill checks getting to know everything about the defense he knows everything. The entire playbook because it's the same thing as his so. I'm very confident that. The page that Newton. is going to be able to relay the information that bill checks get to tell them about. Brian Floors his defense and I think he's GonNa Excel I know the connection may not be there this early with Cam Newton receivers but let me I'm telling you guys don't think the Patriots are going to go eight, nine seven. That's not. That's not. I'm I'll tell you right now cam. Newton. is going to be better this year than Tom Brady was last year. So what does that say? That means New England can keep that defense up that. They had last year they keep that going they're not losing. So. From cancer perspective I think he's going to be very well prepared I. Think the guys are GonNa. Really, WANNA. Play for him. And as a flyer I think he's an excellent pick-up verse Miami. MIAMI. They can cover but they can't rush as well. So I don't think that he's GonNa be a big time problem and stars or just maybe throwing turnovers following the ball they some people might expect but I think it's terms of a flyer. He's a great option. Guys to sit Danny Jones guys don't start dating. Jones, versus dealers. That's commonsense. Baker Mayfield. I don't like his matchup either he's playing Baltimore. I know he's got Odell I know he's got landry. Gives me sick to death every time I got. Both the winsome games all this talent. House all this talent you guys are GonNa find eleven six and ten, eighty eight. We're super bowl. Where's the championships all this down on all his town come on. Game gets to the playoffs. I mean I. Don't WanNa hear about that stuff anymore or else we would've seen some winning games last year but we didn't. So I don't think there's the Ravens Division rival I mean obviously the Ravens are going to come in this season with a vengeance they thought they should have won super bowl last year this year with an improved I've even improved roster and. Man They're coming for revenge on everybody. Especially, the browns self I just don't think bakers matchup is good at all that defenses stacked I mean. Their lines good. Their linebackers are good. They have a lot of versatile corners and. I know they're safety cut arl but still. GonNa miss a beat. I can trust as Defense I. Love Don. Martindale. As defensive coordinator. So always trust their defense. and molasses collar Murray talked about him. I had him and Mitch and my League I'm starting Mitch over him just in the fact that I don't think other Murray matches up wilburs the forty niners. Those are big time pass rushers. These guys can cause a lot of trouble for set cardinals. Offensive Line Murray is going to do a lot of scrambling and I just don't think it's going to be a good result so I'm GonNa, stay away from him Let's move into running backs now. I Guy Number one start looking into Josh Jacobs. Josh Jacobs going up against the Carolina Panthers the worst rush defense in the NFL last year defense that only got they got actually a little bit better than the off season but they have some losses as well. Obviously the retirement of Luke, going GonNa Tell my God is going to set them back a whole `nother level losing guys like McCoy Dante Repo. They lost. Thomas Davis. Their corners are. Got Apple playing corner for them so Yikes, but in terms of rush defense know they drafted some guys like Derek Brown gross mottos but they're rookies I. Don't think they're gonNA come in and just start tearing it up. So Jacobs I love I love this week I'll trust the raiders offensive line over the Carolina. Panthers D.. Line all day. I think Jacobs is he's projected for a top ten finish easily this year I just love him this week Sanders. I was. Just read something about a medical on Sanders Song to hold off on his name Oh for now to recall him. He's a name that you have to take a look at I think he's he's owned by lease. I checked the number this morning at least eighty percent of the league's have to recall in this week But if easily if you if he's you know I, don't know I don't think there's a leak that he's a free agent but if he is pick them up and starting this week guys. Is Not playing. Collins at receiving backing you know he's not GonNa go in there and do the dirty work but still I mean he's going to have the opportunities we talked about cutty it's about the. The volume, he's going to get the volume. So you take a chance on him this week and then one of my other favorites, Jonathan Taylor. I know Taylor is going to be a backup. He's playing the Jaguars. Jaguars. So when the colts go up twenty, four, nothing twenty, one nothing. Scores because that's going to happen I mean, let's be honest Jaguars. They got no defense got no offense. They have nothing. So Philip rivers can easily pick that team apart no pressure on the quarterback good offensive line, Marla Mexican, and probably good game too so. Once they establish that lead what do you think break ranks going to do? He's going to run the ball. He's going to run the clock out. Get the heck out of there go home I mean that's all these guys WanNa do anything there's no. And a time we're covert and all this nonsense exists I just read it also read a headline to they're trying to postpone. They're trying to postpone the Dallas game due to a possible fire that could affect the air quality. Are you kidding me like you can't make this stuff up I? Mean if the teams are going to run that when they get deleted or run the ball Gig, let the clock run out go home I. Mean they're not trying to you know waste time. So I am holy heartedly expect Taylor to get a lot of burn. I really do and I know he's going to be the two but I'm telling you I'd be shocked if he doesn't get ten carries this game. At least ten. All right and I think ten will be enough to show what he can do and heck if he gets even more has like one hundred something yard game, he's going to be the starter next week guy. So you haven't as your as a fantasy owner like me you stash them for this week well, actually. I have on my bench this week because I I told you about my ridiculous team. I Have Levy on David Johnson and Saquon I mean come on I can't. Let me I. GotTa Start Those guys, right. So if you if you have like a regular team, you don't play idiots like me and you have Taylor's running back three start. I, take a chance on him and start him in terms of guys I'm going to sit this week Chimera, his my number one guy I'd sit commensurate he just I know the bucks I mean they're kind of black on defense but I just don't I don't think. They're going to allow him to really breakdown have that big game I. Think it's going to be a lot of Lot of just aired out back and forth aired is the game is going to be focused around breeze Brady Brady's Brady's. So I think it's going to be a lot of vertical passing going on. I don't expect it to be a ground and pound game. Tampa's defense. Is Black, by camera I just don't see. Actually be totally wrong but I just don't see I definitely see him getting receiving volume but and turns running volume I just don't see for him this week. So I'm going to leave him out on sit obviously. It's going be harder similar feature number one back. So don't send them if that's the case but. Antarctica Maybe A. I don't know maybe DFS or something like that. I would assume that that way. So Kenyan drake, another one he is playing the forty niners I talked about the forty niners in his bad bad defensive lineman upfront not align. I'd want to go up against especially with drake is very injury prone. So sit him down saquon Barkley going up against the steelers. No thank you. I'll sit him if I have to I'm probably not going to be honest just because he sake one again. This kinda ties into my example of what I was saying in the beginning of the second. guys sit but like sit because they're matchup stinks so. If there's some way where you have Win On your team and Taylor you have to consider a guys you have to consider it over maybe Kenyan drake I don't know you just have to consider but last guy net guys do not start him. I. Don't care who you got. He's the one guy that you want a sit get his butt on the bench as for away from the starting lineup as possible, and he honestly should be on your waivers. He really should. So that's all I have a running backs We'll try to speed through these receivers and tight ends. Crunching on time here at times just flying. Number one receiver to start Mike Tom I the bucks nobody's GonNa cover him. That's an easy start number two jillion Ataman I think Julian Edelman? Verse Miami I know they have those corners but he's going to match up well versus them in a way where you know Byron Xavi and those are big six one pressman corners Julian elements a slot receiver so I definitely see him getting open verse that Defense I don't see guys like Patriots So SUNUNU Nikiel, Harry, they're going to have trouble they're not going to get open for so skies but. I could definitely see Cam Newton checking it down underneath a lot element in this game especially with those two press corn on the outside so we'll have him to McLaren three I think the eagles we all know the Eagles Stinky Corner they just cut Sidney Jones who can't play or I R- second round pick a couple years ago. Ronald Darby burnt-out they let him go received. Douglas. Burgum, let him go. Got I. Mean Eagles picked out they're slaves they're number one guy you kidding me the income Terry McLaren, he's way too fast. So I take Lauren this week all day especially with McLaren here's the interesting while i Kim so much he has his quarterback within. All right. If I don't know if you guys noticed. But DWAYNE Haskins was Terry maclaurin quarterback in. College. So they have a great connection that was already established before these two were drafted to the same team. So the fact, they have both of them on a second season man I really learned this week a lot. Especially versity eagles who. Allen. Robinson's my fourth guy against lying slow defense probably to have the rookie a code on him and I think Robinson. We'll get the best of him because he's a rookie rookie gonNA need a lot more time to learn especially in the league when no offseason and then probably the sleep. Brad to the entire group in my last one on Start Deontay Jackson. Deontay is I think versa, giants They're gonNA have a lot of attention to Juju which you'd expect. So I don't think anybody on that giants, the giants defense they're not going to put to on the say I'm very confident saying that they're going to say all right. He's going to have to beat us and I think this is chassis can because the Chinese are very thin at corner and safety so Is very good match for the. especially with his quarterback. Big. Ben Back in the lineup. So. I definitely take a chance on neck is a flex, maybe a wide receiver to if you got. Now to get no couple sits Jamison crowder is my number one sit he's playing the buffalo bills tra- Davis white is going to be shadowing him because he's the best receiver Davis is one of the best corners in the league. So I crowded is not going to do anything and my opinion if Davis, white on him all game crowder's to me really like for number three receiver and the jets are using them as one that's not gonNA work. It's going to work in volume but versus bills that won't work. So I hold that on crowder this week also hold out on Cantagalo Day. He's GonNa get a lot of attention with him being really the only reliable receiver for the Lions Marvin Jones is inconsistent. Hodgkinson's really gonNA, ask to step up this week. We'll talk about him later on the but. Gao dates me he's GonNa get a lot of attention versus really good defense. So I say shy away from him as well. tight ends will speak through these guys Mark Andrews if you're looking at, you have him start him it's obvious to Browns can't cover a tight end save the life Hayden hearst is another guy falcons are playing the seahawks seahawks bottom three in fantasy points allowed to tight ends They just have trouble covering titans army. Since Well, they still have wagging I forget the other guy's name but ever since he left vapors absolutely horrible. Safety of forget his name Chancellor, he wasn't known for coverage, but he cover some tight ends and especially if you saw him, the Super Bowl Gronk, he really did a good job at being physical with tight ends in Seattle. They just haven't replaced that. Now Jamal Adams it could be they could replace that but I'm not going to bank on it. So I think I I think he has really high upside this week especially Harris now on an offense where he's not really. Viewed as number one, pick number one eight, and there's no they're looking at Falcons looking guy starter but you know, heck he's not our number one or number one Julio our number twos Ridley. So let's see this guy get there. They're playing loose with him. I like him this week and then. I also like no offence. broncos are to be taking on the. Edges forgot. broncos playing this week. The plane Tennessee so The plan that you're. GonNa be down with them on Monday night. I like fan because Sutton stocking to play. Right. He had Judy Rookie Hamlet. He's out with a hamstring I just read. So he's an experienced guy that got I mean no more married. Thomas. No. More manual sanders guys. I mean, no fans the most experienced receiver. They have the number one pick in the second year that guy's back the big game from him I. Mean He's got to step up they WANNA prove himself. He's the number one pick. A couple of tight ends a shy away from this week. Austin Hooper I. I don't trust. Any browns players this week verse Baltimore's Defense. So I just stay away from him in Chris harmed on guys don't. Stay away from jets players stay away from browns players this week those two they're not going to be good to right the Ravens and the bills I think are going to have their way with those two teams and that's about it defense is more on the defense because they're both the same defenses that like this week. But I WANNA get into a break guys we've been going for a while. Please stay tuned because. The daily fantasy picks are coming up after this. This is one of my favorite segments I'm going to implement for the entire week, and then in the final segment, I'm giving you my rankings for this week top ten running back, stop ten receivers topside quarterbacks and top ten tight end. So stick around guys will be right back. Check out the show that's built on the m a from UFC two extreme cage by them. They got the fights covered check out the GS MC MMA podcast, get the latest news on past or upcoming fights join us as we've talked to and about some of the biggest names in the. Past present and future. When it's the fight game, there's just one show to checkout. GSM See podcasts Dot Com backslash Mi E. Dash podcast. Don't forget to leg them on facebook and follow them on twitter visit GSM see podcasts dot com for more INFO. took. Nov.. Welcome back everybody says GSM see fantasy football podcast. We're going to get into some DFS selections for the weeks and plays that I like I don't have the value on these guys written down. So I'm just going to give you the names. I mean listen I. Know Every website draftkings van will have different prices on these players but I'm just gonNA. Tell you guys that I like guys I think I've value make a play. Space lead a spin off of the second from last segment because starts it has a lot of tie INS to DFS plays because usually the guys that you want to start. Are The guys that are. Good DFS election because the objection. Or said the objection the objective in daily fantasy sports is to basically fine. Players that are being underpriced and can produce out produce their expectations because if you have. A, lot of players that outperformed our expectations that are under league priced, you'RE GONNA win. Because you. WanNa find guys. You WanNa find guys that are contrary to what everybody's playing. Because everybody's playing saint players and. The not going to stand out from the competition. You have to have guys that stand out from the competition that's going to give you a boost and so it's more complicated, but it's very similar to the stock analogy that I I brought up when trying to find a player stock, you gotta find the guys that are low that will eventually sell high. So it's the same thing for daily fantasy sports but. Let's get into this affects go through quarterback running back receiver tight end, and I'll give you some defenses at like. quarterback off. Mattie Ice Mattie is I just think is a very solid play just a rock-solid play Seattle they can't cover it. All right because the Griffin brothers So their corners are done. Obviously. Nobody from the boom is still there. I mean, their their corners are very thin. I mean they just don't have a lot of guys. You know they have atoms now, but it's not gonna be the same that it was and I think they're very easy team to pass against and that's all the Falcons WanNa do on offense they have girly but believe they don't want to ruin them for they want to air it out. So I just think Maddie is I that defense I was they were pretty low I mean james having over four hundred yards for defense. So the fact that that that was happening that just proves that their past defense is very bad. So I expect is to have never really solid Davis that defense. Another. rock-solid pick drew brees I mean why? Not at home for Stampa? Usually a play I mean if I don't know. I, know a couple of years ago the saints lost at Tampa to begin the season and those the year they ended up winning like ten in a row or something but I mean they were. Going to do well at home. I mean it's hard to hard. Not to I mean. Know, they're not gonNA HAVE ANY FANS WHICH Stadium like that you know having fantasy huge homefield advantage because everything echoes but. I mean to get him an adult with good conditions, good receivers and versus defense that can't really cover the past. I think breezes had very solid play especially week one. You give him all time to prepare for you. I think he's going to do the job. So those are my two plays a quarterback I think Iraq Salad. guys that are a little bit lower down the list you trying to look at value I think Carson Wentz? I, mean I know it's kind of. Thing but I'm telling you verse the Redskins not right pretty cheap price i. think he's got regular coming back this week officially. I'll stash him my fantasy team but. For Week one half in Jackson Jeffrey okay. We're in a tight end Dow's goatherd. I mean not bad for the eagles they got to stay healthy. I mean the eagles are good. They just got to stay healthy they can't, and that starts at the quarterback. So with once, I think we want he's going to come out and he's going to do really well offensively. And especially I mean this is a similar game last year I expect that I mean, maybe the redskins jump don't jump out this time for the redskins jumped out last time eagles had come roaring back on offense which they did I expect the I mean I'm not going to be a problem but I still expect them to do really well, offensively I and redskins defense that's getting their upfront they're really doing good upfront but they still have a lot of work doing secondary. But Basically My value for for the week, quarterback is going to be Newton. I think is just. The, the with a price you're getting. Versus the team in the knowledge that he's going to have on that defense with a better coach. I think you're GONNA have to take a Bruce Miami I expect a big day out of Cam brushing passing I think he's he's got a lot of people to prove man. He's got a lot of people he wants to prove to shut them up essentially for criticizing him in the off season. So I really expect them to come out and have a good week. I haven't quarterback housing running back. Mike Expensive play but I think he's just going to do really well, this week Austin are charters are taken on the Bengals I think. That that's just a great match up from the Bengals have been horrible past three years defending run Gino. Atkins is great but I mean, he's a little bit older now. So he's just not used to be and they really don't have anybody else i. mean they were trying to draft some guys up front and just really hasn't worked out for them and I just think they have a while ago in terms of both in that defense to what it wants was under Marvin Lewis and Mike Zimmer but. Right now I think I can easily have a really good game that defense he's going to get a lot of production receiving and rushing so. He's an expensive place. A lot of people are going to have them but I understand that he's GonNa do really well this week another expensive play that I I mean I like them. But I don't know how much I like him in Dalvin. Cook I. If I were to play DFS I'd say don't pick him but I liked the matchup a lot I think green bay. They. The only there their statistics say they were good at defending the rush I think they were i. just thought they were going to defend in a rush because teams go behind them a lot and they weren't able to run the ball the ad aired out to come back. So I just think Cook is he's GonNa come out strong one verse screening girly to I mean listen. Talked about Al, Mattie ice likes throw and this and that but I expect them to use girly especially on the goal line or definitely GonNa get him involved and I definitely maybe going for two touchdowns and some yardage. No, probably not a lot. But I mean if he scorn scorn, he's GonNa make up for it. That's why. That's why I didn't want to draft fantasy because I just don't know what to expect with him and that often so I much rather take a chance on a guy like David Johnson or this guy who I think is the best running back play of the week, and again it's the best running back play the week I'm talking about the most value right? It's all this is about value your valuable play. Is Jonathan Taylor I mean He can burst through that Jacksonville. Defense easily with coach offensive line I just think the only thing that Taylor it's a matter of volume if they get him the ball on Sunday, he will do good. I am confident saying that so I think he's an excellent place pretty cheap. So if you want to pick them up as a flex, I'm with to be honest with you Let's move into receivers now obviously expensive play but I mean, how can you not like Michael Thomas this week of me I know everybody's GonNa Have Thomas. So I understand you don't WanNA. Pick him but I mean nobody tamp is gonNA cover him he's at home he's got drew brees I mean what else could you want from Michael Thomas I? mean he's GonNa. Here's a great up expecting easily get one hundred yards. and. About seventy catches so I'll write him off Davante Adams to I, mean, I love his matchup Minnesota, they're horrible versus the pass. They just got the governor's Avian Roads. There quarter DEP is really thin this year from Minnesota side just don't see how they match up with atoms. Well, Allen lazard might be a good play To have lazard, come in and be the number two I think he could. I don't really know what to expect that of him. I mean, that's why. Maybe be cheap option. I'd like it just because I don't think the Vikings Corner death is going to stretch but I don't know what to expect arts I. I might stay away from him but I keep a cool people look efforts. Yeah we looks DJ. Shark. Goltz same thing can't call it. They don't really have any good cover corners. They're trying to improve that area a little bit that drafted a couple of kids last year but I think DJ sharks is solid play week one obviously going to get a ton of volume. So I expect him to get a touchdown and maybe fifty sixty yards. I think he's his prices relatively cheap. So the amount of volume you're going to get thrown his way why not take a shot on it cheaper guys that I really liked. Rob Anderson. I. Think he's He's not bad. He's boomer bust, but he's not bad I like, Edelman. Probably my favorite name this week though at the entire list is a guy mentioned last segment but I think he's just GonNa do Austin this week the Johnson I mean the giants are horrible at Corner. I mean, they just got their first round pick guys I mean that's says a lot. It'd be. They can't cut their first round in the third round picks a corner who aren't on the team they have no corner depth absolutely none whatsoever they're going to double Ju. Ju and they're going to be. The deonte she's to kill him I really think the answer is going to do. Well, he's very cheap on drafting so I'd pick them up. I really wouldn't pick them up this week if you're GONNA if you're going to pick up A. A Mike columnist devante Adams go ahead and get the autopay for cheap price to try to. Balance it out a little bit if you know what I mean so. Those are all my guys I like I like Rick Lawrence too. But I mean he's a little bit too high in price. With Alan Robson. But well, to stick to those three four names try to speed this up a little bit. Finish office and. Tight ends. Tight ends Agassi. The big guys are all going to do? Well, Kelsey did well, last night, George Gidel I expect them to do well, Mark Andrews I think he's probably your best play this week versa brown I mean the browns can't cover nobody titan. They had no linebackers whatsoever that any any worth. Eddie good coverage so I don't think they're gonNA have a lot of trouble with Andrus Zakar. It's too I. Think the Redskins are going to have trouble with him but again he is doubt Goater dowse goatherd on his back. So I don't think he's going to be the volume. Get Your lucky was before. Hayden hearst very good play I mean I think I mean we talked about the seahawks being bottom three team in points allowed to titans last year and fantasy. So I expect him to come out as option do some really good things he has lost approved to i. mean he wasn't number one pick another guy at the lots of proved I. Think you. Do Pretty well, this week we talked about Noah fan but how about his buddy in in the first round Tj? All right I mean, the bears are gonNA come out obviously you're GONNA pay attention to go day the number one threat. How can since gotTA GET GOING I? Mean we know Stafford license tight ends it's weather. Front office keeps investing high picks in tight ends. Problem is he's causing working out for him, but I mean Hodgkinson's to get going and I think Hopkinson for. I think you'll have a good game. You saw last year when he was doing pretty well, with Stafford, before staffer got hurt I expect it's a really continue especially after An entire offseason together. So those are those are the titans, this week and the F. S.. Defenses real quick. I liked the bills defense they're expensive steelers. Defense is expensive as well. steelers is probably the best choice this week in terms of value. I probably say Ravens just because I'm not I just don't like the browns I just don't think the browns as. Well as everyone think they are I don't know maybe they come out score thirty but if you're looking for value, I have to pick the Ravens on. If I to do an optimal lineup I, know I don't know the the prices for the budget but if I had to get his move much value out of a lineup by probably go Cam Newton at quarterback I go John Taylor running back with another run an expensive running back. So maybe like an large, you can afford that. My receivers would be Johnson and probably maybe Thomas by no, he's going to be expensive. So maybe Johnson and chart I duNNo. A deathly Deontay Titan put in. Hurston for for value. Kicker doesn't matter defense pick the ravens or steelers and you should be good but. Before we get out of here I, WanNa, give out one spread pick We'll do one spread pick a week. Hopefully. The goal is to go sixteen or no right. So we'RE GONNA do sixteen weeks of football her seventeen weeks football. Excuse me so but we'll give us. Yes, a seventeen excuse me. That's the goal that go seventeen and we'll give out one spread, pick a week and pick this week is going to be the Pittsburgh steelers minus six. All right. I know it's not a betting show but I'm GONNA. Take Isis. The giants Stink I'm from New Jersey, the practice facilities forty five minutes an stink. Garbage ear. Easily take the steelers at home. Big Ben's back defensive roaring the giants thing. Slammed steelers might six. Now, we're going to get into break guys coming up the top ten fantasy rankings, all the positions quarterback running back receiver tight in you got it final segment coming. 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I can do everything everywhere coverage at somebody. So if you guys ever play chess. Basically, your chances of winning the game without the Queen are. Not. Too Good. If you haven't played chess I don't know how else to explain it. Maybe. By saying. Car was no engine I don't know. But I mean that's the jets defenses. There, I don't really trust them at all. I expect Allen to come out here put out some rushing production as well. I think he he suggests pretty easily. So I'll take him a number ten. Number nine Aaron. Rodgers Minnesota. We talked about Minnesota how they can't cover the pass Rogers's career history verse. The Vikings has been outstanding. He's had some really could gain I them Zimmer's defense I mean I like it. He's got a couple of injuries week one. Obviously, he's without Neil Hunter. So I think that's a huge impact on their pass rush obviously without griffin relying on guy like Nagoya. Second rusher to Daniel Hunter. But without hundred I mean I think. A number nine, number, eight drew brees we talked about them all on the DFS segment. Great. Great match of Tampa mean if you we'd one. Puts out good numbers for Tampa consistently nothing to not like about that. A. Number seven, we're gonNA move into excuse. Yeah number seven we're GonNa Take Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan. Seattle good matchup. We talked about that earlier as well how Seattle's past defense is very weak. They allow a lot of points receivers inside. So Matt, Ryan is GonNa get a lot of those points as well. number six. We're GONNA talk about the Shawn Watson even though the game already went off so we'll skip him by I mean Great Massive Irs Kansas City defense obviously I wrote these yesterday. So a couple of, I. Mean Obviously Mahomes well, who've already played. Four or five down. The ramp service I mean aside from Jalen Ramsey and Aaron Donald. What do they have I don't think they have a lot. I just think they're limited. In terms of depth and I just don't think the rams are gonNA. Tell, you man rams ain't to be able to handle them. So I'll put back in the top five easily number four. This is probably the big shocker, but I told you guys I love Cam. Newton this week I love Josh Allen. You, had cam. Newton. Please start him this week police starting this week I. Think he's going to do outstanding GonNa know a lot about that defense and he's GonNa take advantage and really you know come out strong. We want this statement Tom Brady Brady. He's In a dome that's the saints. have. Really Limited in the secondary side Lattimore Lattimore I. Just don't they really find that second third corner that they need. A lot of Moore's good. But having one good corner in today's NFL doesn't really mean anything that's why I have the rams. Have Jalen Ramsey. Taylor Ramsey's one plus cevers. He can cover one at a time just like any other human. So. Great and just a bunch of black corners because defenses quarterbacks, we'll take it. Take advantage of that defense picking on the back corner so. That's what's going to happen I. Mean They have a lot of. Gronk Godwin Evans I mean. There's going to be a lot of spots de. Lattimore added soon, we'll be flip flopping between Godwin in Evans but hey, I think tom her I mean I think. Brady's just going to pick apart the corner who isn't marshawn more. So I expect them to have a good day opening up in Tampa number two homes. It's pretty obvious. He saw that last night and that number one Lamar. Lamar number one just after respect I expect them to come out. Strong one is long and send a message to League that Hey, I'm still the MVP. So we'll move along here two running backs number ten. We're GONNA go with Todd Gurley. girly versus e Hawks I. The only thing with him is I don't know the volume. The volume, but I'm pretty see what he can do. Still be productive that goal line. which is something of outcomes really struggle that last year. I expect them to be. Prudent. Game. In the passing game I think he can be productive. I. Just don't know how many looks he's GonNa get but I feel like he'll do well for Seattle defense. So put him at ten number nine just Jacobs. I. Love Him this week Jacobson. Panthers they've improved declined, but the panthers rusty fences the worst in the NFL, last year not too late Jacobs behind a good line. Number eight James, Connor absolutely garbage on defense. We talked about that earlier. That's why. The giants are just horrible. So any steelers players I'd starting this week period number seven. Kenyan drake. Drake I mean I know in the volume is going to be there that's why you have to put them in your lineup. I mean it was really hard to put a list together for Ryan vaccine because this like guys like. They got a good matchup or they got good volume. So it's really hard to sit somebody's class but with drake. Going that fears forty niners defense that I still think it's GonNa be in the top defense. Then he say he's GonNa Win Your Fantasy League. So Hey, we'll live up to his word beg about number seven, number six, thousand coke. I just can't trust album but I mean I think he's going to do over the packers their run defense is suspect to me defense the whole suspect. So I, expect him to. Abuse Henry. There's GONNA use them. I mean with the high altitude, they're just GONNA use him or louts I should say there I think he gets at least twenty to twenty five Kerry's just from a volume perspective, you have to start him. Zeke. You another running back. You just have to start every week Saquon Barkley. Ver- steeler. Number two Chimera I'd put Kamara over Zeke in Bartlett just do the fact that he has better matchup with Tampa. The only thing cameras I talked about earlier. What's he going to get as a rusher? What's it? What is he gonNA get his a rusher Murray is a rusher than the Chimera, they're using a lot in the passing game. So He's definitely still viable starter and should do well regardless. But I'm sorry about how much Bernie Goetz and the number one McCaffrey versus the raiders were slow on defense. How can you not like that matchup easily the best running back of the of the fantasy year last year so you have to just give him the respect of being number one Now, we'll go through some receivers top ten, number ten, we're going to go with Allen Robinson Detroit. Lions we talked about Robinson earlier they can't cover anybody. So Start Robinson if you actors or they're also a team that can't really cover anybody. So even though feelings number one, he's going to get a lot of attention nobody on Green Bay can match up with him. So I think he's going to have a really good game on the secondary they've had that reoccurring issue McLaren. Burnham. Last year I expect them to get at least ten points. In on Sunday Tyreek at number six tyreek is. Already, played his game but still he had touchdown he went through. I believe. So over ten points for him number five Dj more Dj more he's going against the raiders defense. It's got a lot of corner death issues are nets not going to be playing for him I forget the other corner they have but I mean Dj more expect them to do really well with some injuries on the raiders defense if you haven't because it doesn't matter who his quarterback is hill produce. That's why I like them. Number. Calvin really is a little bit higher, but I'll tell you what cal release going to smoke or whoever is because we all know the game plan for instance south. GotTa Take Julio Out Right. So if you take the about how thick Seattle's guys going GonNa, cover. Ridley. One on once I can see definitely see released. I. Put Adams Just as we know Minnesota can't cover. We know they've always had. Godwin Eh three I talked about how saints have that issue in corners gonNA probably put Lattimore on Evans. Excuse me Evans isn't playing I. Forgot about that has actually been ruled out. If lattimore is going to be on Godwin, that might be a little bit more difficult, but from volume and the top three. And then number two, we're GONNA go with Julio. Julio and over one Mike Tom Those Story let's get some site ends and then we'll get out of here I'll go. We'll just go I didn't give you ten tight ends without Portland Sidon I. Mean He's the most established target that drew lock has. So I expect him to step up a good game for Tennessee number nine, Evan Ingram same such that team at tightness some of these titans the most experience in a quarterback's best friend is not a running game. It's usually a tight end. So that's why you gotta take a chance on some of these guys never. quarterback that likes to check down the tight end. So I definitely see him being productive. And burst in Saudi who prize if he has a big game for him, Number Seven Rob Gronkowski I think New Orleans is to I don't think they're gonNA account for him as much as they used to you what I mean Gronk is. Last podcast. He's the guy who was sitting on Fox Sports Chih Chen remoteness CBD. Brain a decent amount versus that saints defense that they. They're pretty if they'd gotten better but they still, pretty EFI. But let's not forget man. But I'm just GONNA put on my seven. He's a total wild card. He's one of the players I really excited to see we looks number six, TJ Hopkinson I'm GonNa, Go Hawkins said over Garages because I think you know it's time for it's really Hopkinson time last year week he had an outstanding game I think that's going to be the same situation. The key to that is mass staffer being healthy them having the off season I've picked up. Late round flyer, stash them I I'd like Aachen I really do so I just if you're a first round top down Hopkinson this week number five, Darren Waller Waller the ball man himself explained. Panthers one of the worst defense in the league why not write their cars best friend. Eagles Redskins so Zach Ertz. The only thing with arts is we'll see the volume US versus Cleveland probably one of the best places week for DFS addresses just cleaned my backers can't cover anybody so. I, just think it's going to liberate them drives Kelsey already played. We saw he added touchdown he did his thing. And the number one George Kill I mean George last year he had like a three touchdown game I think. Maybe, maybe I think he had like two or three touchdown game first and last year, but he was really killing them. kickers like Joey sly I think he's he's the waiver wire pickup for kickers. I'm going to have him on my team this week just do the fact that I think the panthers are GonNa they're gonNA get down and field goal possession lot versus the raiders but I don't think they're going to be able to punch it in just due to the. Fact that they're not really explosive on offense offense, but they'll definitely be able to move the ball. So I can see a lot of field goal attempts coming Joey sly, which is over looking for because I know he'll put him in Then defense is we talked about earlier the bills, the steelers, and the Ravens are my top defense for this week but guys. That is all for this week on GMC fancy football podcast. Brought to you by the GMC podcast network, I'm your host Wyman. I really appreciate you guys listening to the entire show. Please follow the show on twitter G. S. MC underscore football G. S. MC underscore F- football on twitter, follow GMC on his court football for all your football news ethan does a great job with that podcast over there. 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That's I think that's even more likely. John Wong here on. On the road. Let's do it. I think we already are doing. Let's rock and roll. This is the keep sounding podcast. This is Brian joined by Brad, and John John. How are you doing tonight? Pretty good Brian. Thanks fasting. How are you? Brian. No problem. I'm good. I definitely not doing drugs right now. Why would you be? That's a random thing. Dare taught me not to do that the Raynham of. That's a random thing to say whatsoever. You're gonna fuck me over and take that out. Bitch. Wasn't gonna put it in there. I thought the second would be fine now. We'll see we'll see. Okay. See I see what's going on here. John is okay with Brian being the drug user, but not John. I work in the investment field. I've seen the wolf of wall. It is more believable. Squeaky clean image to maintain here. I didn't know you had an image. That's shocked. Weekly. Squeaky clean and non existent or not the same thing. Okay. Brad. How're you doing tonight? I am wonderful Brian. How are you? Definitely sober hundred percent hanging out here after this lines game that totally doesn't make me want to do drugs. Let's talk about that not drugs. I mean, the lines. So the Panthers lost shock. I don't think any of us are shocked by that. By the way, at this point. I was anybody shocked a little but not that surprise light. No, I'm not. The Panthers are gonna win. So when they didn't win. I was like well that wasn't what expected it wasn't like. Wow. I can't believe Panthers would lay on the road things about team. If you know what I mean? Right. It was not expected but not shocking. Yeah. I think like. I'm kind of numb to it. After just the way this stupid season's gone. And of course, they came out and went and made that I drive look really good and really promising. We all know how that goes to the Carolina Panthers when they're playing important games. Start the game off really all all cylinders firing score touchdown and then just fall apart after that. Yeah. I can name on two hands. Probably the number of times that I've seen that happen with the stupid team. So. The two thousand eight divisional round presentable. That's that's one of those last week. It's the Steelers the last. The carbon copy of the Steelers of the game on. Yeah. For a while. Like, we did the defense wasn't as terrible, which there's no way they could be used arable, especially in the lions worse than the Steelers. Relative to the competition. They're just terrible. So basically the same game. Yeah. This one thing overlooking if Detroit or any better than they actually are this isn't a twenty two nineteen law sits like forty two nineteen like it's I've seen remember as you Brad or like Billy or somebody in our side chat was like. This is the exact same game that we played against the Steelers. This the lines aren't as good as the Steelers. I think that might have been Billy. But I'm gonna take credit for it. Because that sounds smarts. It was definitely. Yeah. It's actually true though. I mean, you know, if it wasn't for the fact that carry on Johnson got hurt. I mean, they would have probably scored at least two more touchdowns. He he was on pace for anywhere between one hundred and fifty and two hundred yards. They they absolutely had no intentions of tackling him at all. And you know, him getting hurt early in the second half that that's the only thing that kept the game close play where they may toss it till the gambling and Leuke three random down remember thinking if that's kerryon Johnson. He's still running right now. I'm saying that right now here Andrew still running at this point is career runs like a five to forty. So the defense able to get out there. But there was acres of space to run to us. Not terribly slow. Yeah. The side from kerryon Johnson who ran for fifteen carries for eighty seven yards and five point eight average, the winds handed it to two other running backs who had a solid eight carries for one yard. It's pretty good. Via riddick's never been a good runner and legare. No, he's he's pass catcher out of the backfield. I don't even know why the hand off to Elliot one's really bad at this point. I think he was averaging like two point something you come into the game. So so slowing him down. Is by no means a noteworthy achievement. Down at this. Kind of pissed me off is that Asraf didn't really show up either. I mean, we that's not really surprising at this point in the NFL season, but Julius peppers had the team's only sack and he's forty five years old. I think we're at the point where we have to say, we don't actually have a pass rush. Because we've said, you know, at least the last three or four times we've done this show that the past Russ rushed in show up. So it's it's getting to the point where we don't even have one. Like, it's going to be a surprise if they do show up, and I don't know if it's I don't know if it's because like you said, Julius peppers is is fifty two years old or. You know, they're just not good enough. Dante repo has been invisible which is almost impossible considering he wastes six hundred five pounds. Mario Addison hasn't been himself. K one short has been invisible is just the whole front seven has been existent. And I don't know if it scheme. I don't know if it's they aren't buying in Ono fits coaching problem. I don't know if it's a talent problem. I don't know. Like, it's it's awed. You know? We we're not used to seeing that kind of problem with with this team. All right is wild bet. Like, I told you guys we talked about those stats for the Panthers pass. Rush rating is really good basil ideas Fiennes that. So I don't know if it just like we getting one pass rusher free consistently. But everybody else is so bad that is easy for quarterbacks to maneuver away from it, or if just the way we cover on the back end is giving quarterbacks easy outlets. Whenever someone does to the backfield. I think it's probably a little bit of both. Yeah. It looks like all you have to do to be a quarterback in meet us is to just find your. I I read and if he's there just throw it. He's going to catch it because he's going to have at least five or six yards of space because for whatever reason are corners will not play pressman to to save their lives for no reason at all they give those ten to twelve yard cushions every snap. And it's you know, five yards at a time. It doesn't take that long to matriculate Paul down the field and score. And I think John I think you said this in the slack chat a couple of days ago. Been but don't break defense is great. If you're good at stopping them from actually scoring when they get into the red zone. The Panthers however are not and it's one of the worst red zone defenses in the league. And at this point. It's like, you know, let's maybe I don't try something different. Because what we've been doing clearly isn't working because I think that Rutgers University could probably hang thirty points on on this defense that thank you for giving me credit. Well, another thing that I noticed when I was rewatching the game was that they also make Luke Keithly and Thomas Davis play like ten yards off the line of scrimmage at linebacker. So there's like nobody there's nobody there underneath for like those five to six yard routes. Like, I don't understand how you expect. I get it Leuke good. But like how can you expect him to cover that and cover behind him for the deep middle like that's just too much to put on those guys? Yeah. And plus, you know, everybody gets free releases fucking tight ends get free releases. If it's like as if it's going out of fucking style against this defense like. Drives me out the back office that we do it so consistently that it's easy to prepare for on a plate of play basis. And then also we don't attack after we do spot drop, and is part of the reason we give up some run after the catch like at least we did on Sunday because we're so far away from people in catch the ball that we're we have a lot of ground to cover. We tackle. Yeah. They have to three yards to to get their feet said and make a move, and there's very few NFL quality players that can't take advantage of that situation. Like, you, you know, you don't have to be, you know, Greg Olson where he just catches the ball in the media goes down. You know, when you have that much space you're gonna get yards after the catch pretty much every single time. The other issue too for me that I been seen consistently at this point is bradberry is almost always like in what I would call good coverage when the ball gets thrown out, but he has to cover a lot of space just to get to the catch point. And by then if he's playing solid receiver then catch it almost every time. They may not go very far afterwards if he's like all over them. But like do they he has to cover so much space. It's not like he's fast or not fast as far as corners, go. I just don't understand it like you have to pretty good physical corners that you just refuse to let press like. Is just got clown on Sunday too. I don't remember which receiver. It was all day. Basically the ball one of his hands. He had an interception golladay just took it golladay is very good at that though. So I'm not he he's very good. Yes. Yeah. Golladay is amazing at catch. Thinking about the defense will more boy move on anything else. I know the talent is it like other worldly. But I feel like we've had good defenses with less Jalan. Brayton florence. Yeah. That we've had defenses with less talent. I know the past hasn't been as good as we've had in the past. But the secondary should be better than we've ever had early in recent memory. And in the land is still the best in the NFL the defensive tackles, theoretically should be one of the better groups the NFL that should be enough to have like to not be hemorrhaging yards and points over the several weeks stretch. Yeah. Well, that's kind of how the NFL nowadays. Let's look back at the most successful season. We've ever had. We went to the Super Bowl with Charles Tillman. Josh Norman Roman Harper and Kirk colon as our starting secondary. I mean, Charles Tillman is great. But he was basically playing on his last leg literally because he got hurt. Roman Harper's like seventy five years old, Kirk Holman isn't very good. You know, we had back up players in the secondary like. Robert MacLean, Orland finicky. We brought four we brought Cortlandt Finnegan in off the street because I'm desperate and Robert McLean. We had like, you know. Yeah. We had Jared Allen. It's. We we were good. We weren't like the the two thousand ravens defense, but we weren't awful. And it's mostly the same guys like we've gotten better in some spots. So you would think that we would be better. But we're not. No part of it is that this NFL. This NFL is more tailored to scoring and these old school defenses that allow receivers to get free releases. They just don't work as often in the NFL these days. Lampe was last night. I said it going the during the chiefs game like the last two drives they played they played cover. They cover one with the single high safety and got two picks. When most when Ron Rivera wouldn't playing frigging prevent defense in the third quarter like. Nuts yet NFL teams. And I don't have it obviously brought to be, but I'm sure the arts per tempt hasn't changed much over the last several decades, the completion percentage has gone way up which means the opera completion is way down and the NFL teams are totally content. Just completing short passes the USA like people, get smarter. And I know a lot of people say it's the rules. But I do think there's to an extent off. It's getting ahead of the defense in terms of. Just being smart and planning well is like defenses like ours are getting exploited by the creativity. That a lot of teams are running on offense. Yeah. I think the rule have a small part in though because like you can you can't even hit the quarterback anymore. So yeah, you know, kind of they're kind of laying back a little bit. And I think that's as a whole that might be like twenty percent of the problem. But I do agree with you. I think that that offense is are just better now. Well, part of it is that I was just going to say. Day. There's an emphasis now on calling throwing flags on defenders for early contact. But the NFL hasn't done anything about the pick plays. And you see those work all the time. Broth like. It's ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. They do the autism get away with that a lot. But there's dropping back into to solve zones used to work when every team was running like deeper routes for their past plays and not throwing the ball to running back as running backs up for running. Yeah. And now with running backs and tight ends getting so involved at fast games. It's it's it's it's putting too much of a strain on the way we offend in the spot dropping and stuff. And quarterbacks got better or backs are too good to just sit in a spot. And wait for them to throw it in run to it. This is arguably the best group of like quarterbacks in the NFL as a whole they've had in a long time. Ever. It's absolutely. It's the best group of quarterbacks. The NFL has ever had. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of good quarterback. My five years ago, you have guys like Vinny testaverde's Bernie Kosar in Doug Flutie playing quarterback. So I mean, you know, those guys they can't compete with with guys like Cam Newton Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers you name it it just doesn't compare. Especially now that that you can't beat them up like they could back then either. Yes. Being of Cam Newton Cam. Yeah. It's true. If you as long as. As long as you're not trying to rip his face mask off. And like punch him in the way, you can do. You can do that too. Because I'm sure he deserved it. Stamm Smirke, Scott. So looking at the offense. LL? Yeah. I don't know if I wanna get into the bad or good. I feel like we've been talking a lot of shit. Let's talk about good stuff. Good. Well. Yeah. Let's do the good. I because there's there's way less of it. Yeah. Cam Newton, obviously. Had a pretty solid passing game minus that one throat the end of the game. We'll talk about that later. Hundred fifty seven yards off of twenty five completions in thirty seven attempts three touchdowns. A lot of that went to DJ more to who had another really good solid outing. He caught seven passes for a hundred and fifty seven yards, including an average of twenty two point four along with a touchdown. How however the big thing to me was that he actually got eight targets, which is not bad. I mean, it was tied for the top with Christian McCaffrey of God. Devin, funchess course. So I mean more seems like. More seems like he's he's starting to emerge into a guy that they can trust to be on the field. Like every step for the receivers. He's pretty good. Yeah. Like, he reminded me a lot of Steve Smith. I don't know if you guys saw my little brief rundown of what I saw rewatching the game. But I felt the Curtis Samuel and DJ more both really showed off their route running skills touchdowns when DJ more caught the touchdown. That would have been helping to go ahead of the lions he worked guy inside and just smoked him on the outside route. Like it looked a lot like a Steve Smith route getting himself open in the end zone. And he just made dare he may it's yeah. Yeah. It was slain, I know slave got beat bad by Curtis Samuel. I know for a fact that was him Curtis. Samuel did something similar where he just like work the guy inside. And then the broke hard outs outside get wide. Open score another touchdown. Like, those two have looked very promising against NFL caliber receivers, I was actually expecting more to take a little longer to be having a hundred and fifty are games for this team. Especially the struggles they've had on offense with the big plays. Really good. Nothing about Curtis Samuel. He got half George a one play to be fair. Yeah. He did to be fair. He did make that play. That is true account. He would have scored at punches blocked form down the field to. Did you watch? I haven't been able to see what funches did because I don't watch said himself that he should have blocked say. But if he would've. If he would have blocked slay slay would have been slowed down enough that he wouldn't have been able to make up the ground that he made up to catch more and tackle him. Got additional block because that's what I didn't see that. What what the what the critics what the criticism was was that? He could he didn't run like didn't finish the play sensually like after the the passes completed. He kinda just trotted where if he had like went all into block downfield like he apparently should have on that play. He would have easily blocked. It would have been a touchdown. But he just like you. They had like a graphic of all the people running after DJ more and sponges looked like he was jogging for a bit of it. So. Yeah. Poor effort play. Far as rushing the ball goes. See I watch it right now. Hold on real quick. Go ahead. I haven't I haven't on right now. And he goes off camera. But from what I can see. So he runs a comeback out. Like BJ did these caught it in him and slayer both watching and it would be broke free sleigh took off and funches never comes back into the picture. So so he could have locked him in. Like slice audited, fun of them. But it's hard to tell like what like if he started running that way earlier if you could have gotten their front slowdown. But Devin funchess of his bad days. He had yesterday as often as looks like he doesn't put in a lot of effort. It's it's not a good look for him. To say, yeah. Could probably blocks away on that made a touchdown. Is it just me or state like you have generally like days deposition disposition? He does he does. If you don't focus as much time trying to catch the damn ball as he does on blaming everybody else for his problems. We wouldn't have lost yesterday. Or whatever. He also referred himself in the third person. Which is a big red flag. Yes, you're not good enough to call yourself, funchess or funds or whatever you said. You know, you can't do that yet. I don't. As far as effort goes. I feel like he was just having a really bad game. And that caught up to obviously, you wanna see somebody like that bounce back, especially when they're supposed to be your top receiver. But I don't know if it's I I wouldn't call him like the next Kelvin Benjamin. As far as effort goes. I think he was had a really bad game. I mean dropped five passes like, that's that's bad and immoral activities receiver. Nobody's called digit effort was but no except for he's not he's not that bad. Yeah. Kelvin Benjamin is a whole 'nother level of don't give shit. But there are plays rice Devon, he like he looks like he could a maybe throw a block, and he just kinda watches or he's he's always these slowest person I've ever seen getting back to huddles and things like that. And does it typically matter a lot? But when you play for lia's he did on Sunday that gets kind of defied a little bit fair. Not. Yeah. That's fair. Yeah. If he if he didn't if he didn't drop five passes and scored a touchdown or caught an important. I down conversion we're not talking about him not blocking Darius like like, nobody gives a shit. Correct. Is it? Sorry voices. Not very good. All those just seems to have no Bill. Sure, you'll see that. There's no little ground with a bunch of stuff. He sees the play. Well, he's good attacking the football and making Contessa catches or he can't catch anything. Yeah. There's there's no dislike at okay gate, hunches was number one receiver or funchess's human garbage. We cut right now. He is the perfect embodiment of the Carolina Panthers. Because that's exactly what the whole team. Does there either? Hey, they could win the Super Bowl or hey, they're going to get a top five draft pick. There's never any inbetween. Very true. Yeah. Maybe he's the problem. There were a couple times. There were couple times on Sunday where I felt the Camden and make the right choice at the football. I don't think it was his fault that they lost at all. Obviously, he's the reason they even stayed in it, but I'm starting to see more of him like not taking what the defense is giving him and trying to force stuff down the field. I saw three different situations where he had a wide open guy on third short who could have easily caught the pass and just fallen forward for the first down. And he instead threw it into double coverage Curtis Samuel at one point. Or took a sack like it. I'm worried that. I'm not I'm worried that. I'm not sure if that's if that's normal. That's Cam because we saw Cam doing exactly the opposite of that to begin the season where he wasn't pushing a ball the ball down the field often. But it was still working for them. So seem to be a little bit. Yes, you depress. A little bit on Sunday. I don't know if it was just frustration with how the team was playing after Pittsburgh and then struggling against a really bad lions team. But I mean the end result turned out. Okay. Yeah. Even through Curtis Samuel. I mean, not that he should have caught it. But I think if he makes it better plant the ball on it or something. Yeah. And then the big big with too. Right. Yeah. That was that was the big talking point of this past week was why did Ron Rivera go for it? When they have when they had the chance and I loved I loved the aggression there. And obviously it was it looked to me like it was the right call. I mean, Jerry's right. Was the guy who was reading. He was open Cam was able to make throw and he just he just flat out missed that. That's on Cam. Unfortunately, like, I don't think he should have been in that position considering the fact that go miss two kicks for them. And the defense obviously sucked for. Yeah. I three quarters. But I felt it was the right? Call. Yeah. I do too. There's a lot of nuance there because like. There's a lot done pack here. Okay. If Graham going to is a league average kicker they don't even have to do it. Like, you said, he shanked an extra point. And he shanked to thirty four yard field goal in a dome mind you. So that's four points that were left on the field. Okay. But because no is below league average. We had to go to and we didn't actually have to go to wrong could have put no back out there. He could've kicked the extra point or at least attempted the extra point and tried to tie the game with a minute like a minute nine minute in nineteen something like that left in the game. The way I look at it. And I also I loved the aggression. I loved Ron Rivera actually, saying, hey, I trust you Cam Newton to get this two point conversion because going up twenty one to twenty you know, there's a counter argument to this that. Our deputy assistant editor Walker shared in our slack chat. That you know, you go for the tie because then Detroit will be conservative in that last minute and they'll play for overtime, and then anything can happen. Well to me Detroit was kicking a field goal. No matter what. You know, we haven't stopped them all day. They have a minute on the clock. They have timeouts they have Matthew Stafford and they only have to get to about the forty ish yard line. Because Prater is a is a good kicker and he's in a dome, and he's at home. So. Detroit was probably winning that game. So to me, I would rather go for it. Get the extra two point conversion go up twenty one twenty and then forced Detroit to go into they absolutely have to be aggressive mode because then you can force Matt Stafford into making a mistake and the defense hasn't been playing well all day, but there anything can happen. There's a chance that Stafford throws it right into the arms of Mike Adams. You know, you never know. But I was glad that Ron Rivera actually did something other than settle. I do not like the play call. I thought it was a terrible play call because Jerry's right? He even said this post game. He actually just improvised his route. He got cut short, and he just turned around and went the other direction. He wasn't even supposed to be where he was. The bootleg rollout. Play action. The Christian McCaffrey with Greg Olsen wide open in the end zone. Play works every single time. They do it. I don't know why they didn't run that play. Again. It would you run it one hundred times in a row, and it would work a hundred times. But all that being said Cam choked. There's absolutely no excuse for him to overthrow Jerry's right in the end zone. And there's absolutely no reason why we shouldn't have had twenty one points. And then all that like all that just I like playing sports the win sports. Yeah. I did too. I don't wanna play Tai. Like you. Don't the goal isn't to tie. The goal is to win. Like when people got on the Frank Reich for going for the fourth down Texans guy, you should as potted. So you went loose. It's like, no, I don't care like if you lose try to win a will. That's the point is sports is to try to win not try to like not to try to not lose. You know what I mean? Like, I you don't hope to the stadium. Like, let's go there not lose this game, boys. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So I like try to win not to say we like to one in overtime afterwards. If they made the point, but you have a chance to white in front of you to win the game. Why not try to win it right there because he will not get that chance again. The exactly and I firmly believe that if they do that exact same play ten more times, they get it the other nine like, I think that was a nine percent chance of actually scoring and they just got the one that didn't score because Cam overthrew the ball like it. It wasn't a good play. Call. It wasn't a good play design in there were probably three or four things. They could have done that would have been better. But it was still there. And right was still open and campus overthrew him the last, and I hope that this doesn't turn their back into a conservative shelled himself. I hope this doesn't mean he'll turn the John FOX never take another risk again. You know, I said on Twitter before they ran the play. I said I'd love this play this play call. I love this aggression. You know, fortune favors the bold you play to win the game. So I hope they keep doing that. The last thing I want to say about that is there's a lot of criticism on Cam for not running. I think people forget that he'd broke his ankle and half. It seemed like not too long before that. I have no idea how even came into the game. I don't blame him for not any had run it all on Sunday prior to that point. Warn Perry for few yards or something like that. Yeah. That was early in the game after he got hurt. It was like we space scrapped Cam basically turned Tom Brady. I wasn't running. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, you know, none of this even is necessary if Graham Gano makes two kicks that literally every NFL kicker is paid to make. Lake if Ford field wasn't open air stadium. I kinda understand it because the weather was supposedly terrible. It was snow and wind and all that. But you were in don't like there's there's no wind. There's no pressure. There's no, no rain. No snow note. None of that. Just you're thirty four yards away. It's literally an extra point just just make it. That's all you have to do. You know, drop the ball on under percent. And so did Devin funchess because Devin funchess block if Devin funchess draw if he blocked area sleigh Graham Gano doesn't even miss the field goal because we score touchdown. I mean, he may have missed the extra point. But we get six points instead of zero points. Indefinite. Funchess. I don't know. What happened? I don't know if he left his hands at home if it was nerves because he was playing in front of his hometown crowd. I don't know. But he picked he had a bad day to have a bad day. 'cause he couldn't catch anything. I even made the joke slack chat while the game was going on. They won't throw a flag for pass interference on funchess. Because it's an uncatchable ball like. Even matter because he's not going to catch it as a great show at allege Joe to my dad, and he laughed like it was funny thing of life. Fellow dad respects gotta love it. So let's see oaks. Let's talk about Seahawks. Oh. So truth be told I don't know a whole lot about this team defense. I know that that I kind of figured. I know Bobby Wagner Wagner's pretty good. I know cagey writes pretty good Frank Clark's. Pretty good. But it doesn't seem like this defense is going to be nearly the problem that Carolina's seen in the past. Yeah. I mean, they're not legion of boom anymore, but they're still pretty decent. I would imagine that at worse. They're like middle of the pack. Yeah. So that could be a problem because this team has not done a great job protecting Cam Newton over the last few weeks. The Panthers do have the benefit of playing at home or they haven't been completely atrocious. But they can't make they have this. This has this seems like a must win for them like their offense needs to go up. They need to score points. It. It's an unpopular. It's an unpopular opinion. If we don't win we're tied with the Seahawks. And or losing the tiebreaker in the wild card race, the division is over the saints are gonna win it. I know that sucks. Everybody hates the saints because they suck. But they're gonna win the division. They they haven't mathematically clinched it, but they all have mathematically clinched it. They are far and away the best team in the in the division and arguably foreign away the best team in the NFC. So that's over. So we absolutely have to win this game on Sunday. And we're looking at seven and nine or eight instead of eleven and five like we thought and also if that's us up because the team's immediately outside of the playoffs right now for the Seahawks. The Cowboys we'll have the tiebreakers over both of them. Yes. It's it's really. It's the most important game of the year, the two games against do Orleans or important, just if we want to screw them up and calls them to be the number two seed or even a number three seed or something like that. But. This game is more important than any other game. We're gonna play all year. At least in the regular season. Yes. And it doesn't help that Seattle has the number one rushing offense in the NFL. Yeah. And they have three running back all three of the running backs our djing reform out of yards per carry. And they don't they're not stubborn about Chris Carson number one guy. And then it's shop penny. Then it's like Davis. It's it's whoever is running. Well, we'll keep getting touches. Yep. So when one of. I said this last week in the lions almost did it were not for the injury to carry on Johnson. But I feel like a team that can commits to running the ball against the there's gonna easily rush for over one hundred fifty yards against them. They're just not stopping the. Yep. They absolutely will. It's just a matter of which one is going to be is it is it this is a game where if they're gonna stop the run if if there's any game where they can stop where they they need their linebackers to show up. They need on Terry pota- show. They need cable on short show. It's this one they have to get after they have to stop the run. They have to get to contain Russell Wilson. And that's very very optimistic and probably unlikely. I have a feeling it's gonna be a shootout. This is the first game. I think written all season in the defensive preview that we need to stop the run. Yeah. If John thinks we need to stop the run, then we need to stop the run. I mean that. This will like his for most of the we were good at stopping the run. And this the Seahawks. I'm working visit to it than anybody. And. We've been pretty bad last couple of weeks. They were alright against Pittsburgh last week. We were real bad. Yup. And it doesn't help that was one bright ought against. Pittsburgh is that we didn't let James Connor rush for two hundred yards. Yeah. It the other thing that doesn't help this team's chances. Either is the fact that their secondary is not at least playing in a way where like they they're gonna shut down Tyler Lockett and Baldwin because. If there if there's any game where they want. They let Dante Jackson be aggressive. Impress lock it. It's this one. If there's any game where they let James bradberry plan Baldwin's face. It's this one because those guys could easily blow the doors off this defense whether the rushing game is there or not? Like, the I think they actually back well physically against those too. But I worry that they're gonna continue to give them ten yard cushions because Baldwin have alive. I'm very concerned about lock it. These very fast. He's very little. He's very fast. He's better at the catch at the catch point that you would expect for someone his size. They said he's at eight catches this year. Think evolves. Went over thirty hours in the air. That's a lot. Yeah. I think it's probably more than our entire team shoe. Yeah. I mean, most of the long passes have come from DJ more Curtis Samuel or Christian McCaffrey taken it to the house. Not Cam fling down the field to them. Scary scary stuff. Yes. Also, their defense is surprisingly good. Yeah. Coming into this year the Seahawks. Legion of boom is dead. Seahawks. Are dead defense is dead. And they're not dead. Very not dead. Do you have numbers on where they rank? Until yards. They are eleven. And scoring. They are actually not that early eighth. I think that you see better because remember like in before they were they say. They say when they had the legion of boom they used to be like a top five scoring defense in the mean. Yeah. And I'm pulling up there. It's it's like we say Leuke Cleese bad. But literally every other team is like, no, we'll take Leuke clover are linebacker right now because we're used to being so much better. Like lewke has a game where everybody's like what is wrong with Luque's terrible now. And almost every other NFL team would be as a good game. He only missed one tackle. He was around all the places pretty good. He missed a tackle. What is wrong with him? Yeah. Exactly. Loot? Doesn't miss tackles Seattle. According to delay is ten on the offense. So. Okay. So they're pretty much mediocre average. Yeah. There's still like there's been a good. They're not elite. Yeah. But coming into the season, I think in myself, and I'm sure most people thought they were going to be. You know, like bad bad like how our defenses. Yeah. Yeah. Twenty fifth Frankie. It almost makes me wonder why they're five. Lot. Also, not very good. Let's take a look at their schedule in results and see why they're they're five and five. Oh. Yeah. They lost. The rams. They've already play. They've already played the Rams twice. So that that explains to them. They also the chargers who are very good. They also the bears are very good. And they also the Broncos aren't that? Good. Shit happens. Wasn't it? And it was. Yeah. All sorts of lots of one. The one thing that we do have going for us. Maybe are I feel pass rush will at least look good on Sunday. Because Russell Wilson just holds the ball eight seconds every pathway, and then he started running around whether he needs to or not said looks like there's defensive lineman getting pressure. So we have that look forward to. Yeah. And then he'll he'll just heave up a prayer that looks like it's going to go out of bounds. And then lock it will catch it for a seventy five yard gain. Yeah. On four is going to run under Julius peppers legs in backflip out of like a Cohen short sack. And then he's just a a ball. Somehow Tyler lock is running wide. Open sixty hours on the field for a touchdown. Exactly. And that's going to happen at least three times. But at least the bass wish will look good. At least the past Rocha, look good. And I don't know about you guys. But I just hope that Cam Newton remembers to wear a tie. On in case, you forgot are are friendly Panthers fans. In case you forgot last time. We played the Seahawks was eight when Derek Anderson started because Cam Newton did not wear a tie on the team bus. And I think Derek Anderson through a pick six the first play of the game. He did pick six was a pig. Yeah. It was a pick to Mike because he threw the ball to Mike Tolbert. Yep. The bad throw. I mean, my Tober probably should've caught it. But that you get China. Mike tober? And what you get for starting your backup quarterback in an important game. Yeah. I wanna know what? Like how long Derek candor is going to be in the game. Heading out on interception on the first play. Like it was at a one play thing. Or was it a one drive thing? I bet you it was a one drive thing. I don't think Ron would do at one play thing. I think you're under estimating there. No. That is true. To bench player for not wearing a tie on the team bus so team plan or whatever when it's the second game of a little road trip where we didn't even come all in the week between the game as well. It slide is it's an unusual situation because you're Camden. Yeah. Or anybody? Who cares? Nobody even see them when they were there ties on the team slant. The team does though he's got to set a good example. Campbell leader. I get it that Ron wants to stab a professional environment. But I I would understand it. If Cam showed up in sweat pants and a t shirt. But I mean, I'm sure he was dressed nice. You just didn't have on tie. Yeah. I thought he will like turtleneck in a sport coat or something that yeah, he wore a turtleneck and a sport coat. That's should that's professional. I mean, at least it wasn't a Dickey. Like, you know, it could have been worse. But what he has are you as down on the Panthers this week because of the last two weeks or does being absolutely well the other thing. Good, man. What scares me is? I was watching. I was going through the games they played. And they didn't lose a lot to the Rams most times, and they did beat the lines most of their most of their losses have been very close. Like they haven't been beaten badly. Like the Panthers have at least once this year. I think that the fact that they were able to hang with a team like the Rams who is probably in the conversation of the top three teams in the NFL right now top the bottom. That's that's kind of scary because it means they know they can show up and they showed up against teams away as well where like Carolina always plays better home. But it concerns me that this team hasn't had a game where like team came in and punched him in the mouth and beat him badly when they're not as talented as they used to be. Yeah. They they've lost two three. Maybe the Packers Lasley. They did get down. Pretty good too. The packers. Pretty sure came back. No, no, they did it, but they were fourteen to three in the first quarter. The. They've shown bounce back of the Panthers jump out and the Packers. Aren't there will? Yeah. I mean to me the the Seahawks are five and five team that probably should be seven and three or even eight to the Panthers or a six and four team who should be foreign six or three and seven. I know people hate my opinion. But we we depended on sixty three or field goal from Graeme gonna beat the giants. They felt they fall in what two games. Four. Okay. Yeah. Forty Niners buccaneers making that last second win that we shouldn't have had to steal look even better. But we should've lost that game. Because you can't depend on sixty three or field goals. All the time to steal winds from the jaws of defeat. I know they still won. I see that. I watched the game but process over results the process was bad. They should've lost. They lost to a bad Washington team to be fair. Washington will look worse than it did at the time because Alex Smith Joe thighs -ment is leg on Sunday. And they're about to get really bad. But we should have won that game. Because we allegedly were better team. Philadelphia choked in the fourth quarter. There's no reason we had any business winning that game. Yes, we did. But that was more of Doug Peterson turning into Ron Rivera than the Panthers doing. Anything special? We've know what happened to to us when we played Pittsburgh. We were out class now number by much better team, and we just lost to the lines. So I just wanna want, but you goals are bad. He was eagles. Are the eagles are bad. They are not the Super Bowl winning team that we saw last year they are a bad team. It's because they're not starting nickel. But. They barely beat the. They barely beat the falcons oblique one. Late touchdown to win that it barely beat the colts in week three after losing to the buccaneers. They did a late touchdown to win that. And I think the colts scored to win it. Beat the giants job and be barely the Jaguars also robot then forty forty-one points at the saints. And what kind of team loses a game that bad, right? Yeah. Exactly. Nobody. But yeah, I'm not very confident that the Panthers are going to beat the Seahawks of despite the fact that this is a probably. The game that will decide who wins one of the two wild card spots in the NFC off game. I believe for playoff game. I mean, that's as much of a playoff game as you can't have in week twelve. I think you know, looking ahead. I think we've got at least two wins on the schedule. I think we're good enough to beat the buccaneers. And I think we're good enough to beat the Browns. Although it being in Cleveland in December kind of worries me because there's no telling how dog shit, the weather's going to be in literally anything can happen. So I think we could also lose that game. And I think we can beat Atlanta at home because I think it land has given up. But I don't think we're going to beat the saints. So that's two losses. So like we said earlier this is our playoff game. This is our Super Bowl. This is it. And because of that we're going to come out, and we're going to look like we don't belong on the same field. Because that's what happens every we're going to show up and we're going to the first drive. We're gonna score on the first drive and look really crisp and drop them off from there. If the Panthers movers gripe to lead in. Yeah, we'll jump out to a seven nothing lead. And then we'll lose thirty one to ten. Yeah. That's our brand. That is our brand. If the Panthers score on the first drive they are in trouble. You can hate me. You can call me a hater. You can think I'm stupid. You can call for me to be fired. You can do any damn thing you want, and I will stick my thumbs in my ear and say, LA, LA, LA, LA, LA. Also, John, and I can't fire him that's part of it. That is true berm may. Deep down. You know? I'm right listener. So with that. Making this game. I bet I can guess what you're going to pick. John John tell us. They I'm gonna. They I'm gonna I'm gonna pick the Panthers split or not. I'm gonna score with. Twenty four to nineteen. Twenty four twenty one. We're not gonna force field goals that are going to score touchdowns. Get close Twenty-one Brad. What your score prediction? Seahawks. Thirty one Panthers ten. That's that's that's going to run for two hundred fifty yards. We we can't tackle. And they are they're very good at running the ball. Russell Wilson is very good at maneuvering out of a clear cut sack like the the referees refused to blow the whistle when they would for any other quarterback. And he's gonna find Tyler Lockett down the field for a touchdown. That shouldn't be a touchdown. I'm going with twenty. This will be after we and nothing, by the way, we're gonna bulletin nothing. Lead. Fuck thirty one St. points to Jesus. Twenty twenty one to sixteen Seahawks for me. I think the Panthers will show up for a bit. But they just haven't shown enough consistency. For me to think they're going to beat a team like Seattle that actually has very realistic chance of going to the playoffs and potentially beating a good team. So. Yeah, that's my prediction is I think Seattle will beat them. So right now, Carol. Yeah. I mean, and it wouldn't surprise being released for us to come out and blow the doors off of them and win and then beat Tampa. And then beat Cleveland and then lose out and finish nine and seven and not make the playoffs. Like that wouldn't surprise me at all. They is has the Panthers is three and a half point favorites. So they're half point favorite home team. There have be able to I guess they're half point better than they have field event. And over owners, forty seven and a half. So that makes the score twenty five and a half twenty two. Be the the scored add up to that. And ESPN. Whatever it's called matchup. Predictor thing has the Panthers at a sixty percent chance of winning. So Panthers win. But in the books. All that adds up to us looking like asks and getting beat civil. That's our brand we do to be fair. That's furniture. Wasn't. We played the buccaneers beat them. So. We have the buccaneers. Yeah. We didn't it often. There is there has been a week where we did what we were supposed to do. There've been a few. Maybe Torrey Smith. Oh comeback. They've had a lot more wins. When he's when he's on the field. To say that he get hurt. The eagles game. Yeah. He got hurt in they go into place to to doesn't. Maybe maybe courtesy Mulas bet that you we'll say that he's not worth five million dollars. I'll take my two extra wins. God, dammit. Bet opinion still out there. I don't understand it's five million dollars. I mean, it's not like we're paying nineteen million. It's not like we're giving him Antonio Brown money or OBI money. It's five million dollars. And you know, another thing is it's not your money. Like, you don't have to pay him. Like it. You don't get charged your debit card doesn't get charge every month. Like just enjoy it. Let the man play. He's a veteran. It's also. It's not. It's absolutely not. It's not keeping us from doing a damn thing. And we don't win the eagles game without Torrey Smith. We don't like to me the contracts worth talking about one is off season time, and you're talking about we're pointlessly discussing roster moves talking about his contract. We're talking about how the game is going makes no sense is not like we get like he scores. A touchdown. Do some math. And it's like that your points per dollar is four since you're so expensive deducted two points for value. It didn't matter. Yeah. Does not even if the Panthers cut it. Let's like if they cut him tomorrow. He still gets paid like he still gets those five million dollars. Like, he he doesn't give it back. I mean, so it doesn't really matter. Yeah. Yep. Why you hate on a guy trying to make money? I mean. Let let secure the bag you. This learn do it. Yep. I mean, he's a free agent in. This is the last year of his deal is not like we're going to sign him better not say this. It's. A five year if million dollar contract. God damn breaking news skirling Panthers. Extend Torrey Smith five year, sixty five million dollars, general manager Maury. Hernia. This is a great boo for both the player and the franchise is an important part to our offense of game plan. Meanwhile, Curtis Samuel is asked to be traded. It is kind of insane. The courtesy played fifteen snaps and got targeted seven times them. If you guys knew that. Yes. The argument that is if he plays twenty-five snaps he probably still targeted seven times true. Okay. However, however, he should play twenty-five snaps and get targeted twelve times. Good things happen when you throw the ball. It happened. When you throw the ball to Curtis for consortium. Despite what John says don't care, how bad do you think? He is John good things happen when they throw the ball. He scores every four times. He touches the ball. Yes. That is pretty good. It's literally hall of fame push on your math pipe and smoke. It. Plus, she also has the correct opinion about dogs not being saying, which is stratum. Had to go there. So yeah, we anything else about this game. Or are we just gonna kinda enjoy our thanksgiving and hope that we don't get sick? Watching the Panthers play. That part that thing. Yeah. That that part. I mean, you know, people probably think I don't like the Panthers are that I hate them. But I don't hate them. I just I just don't think the good. I don't want them to be bad. I would like to see them win. Because I know that makes people happy, you know, and I won't people to be happy. But do you though, I just don't think they're going to. Yes. Okay. Except for okay. I was gonna say. Yeah. I mean, we're not here to sit here and tell people how good the Panthers are all the time where here to tell you like it is. And how we see it. I think for the most part we don't go down to that. We've called alleged love we we we got them to side are free. So they they listen to us very objective here. So what I what what are we thankful for as Panthers fans because I'm thankful for Eric Reed. And I'm thankful that they signed him because. That made us look so good. He by us. You mean like us as a show, right? Just thinking about that selfishly. No. As as show. That's why said we we all we all contribute. But we we use the Royal. We when we talk about the Panthers a lot. I I. But you guys do maybe you should fan. That's no that's not how you analyse team. If I say, we suck that doesn't sound like, I'm analyzing anything. It just makes me sound like I'm angry. Even though we do suck. You are. Well. From all of us here from all of us here at the podcast, keep sounding this is Brian John. And Brad, wishing you a very happy. Thanksgiving don't go kill anybody on black Friday. And hopefully, we have a game we can actually enjoy this week. It's been several weeks at least three since we could have enjoyed good football. But just let's just see Panthers win for once. 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