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08:54 min | 1 year ago

"thomas chattering" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

"Thomas Chattered and Williams on July. 8th. Joining us now are a signatory of the Harpers letter that he organized new school professor Claire Potter author, among other things, of a new book called Political Junkies, from Talk Radio to Twitter. How alternative media hooked us on politics and broke our democracy. Maybe you heard her book interview on that and a signatory of the response letter. Malecki Jibali, a public policy attorney writer and activist who's writing has appeared in The Guardian essence Jacoby in the intercept Kind affairs. And elsewhere. So, Claire, welcome back. And Malika, Thanks so much for joining us. Welcome to WN my sick Thanks for having me very much and my like a since we played the Thomas Chatterton Williams clip as Prelude. Why don't you start out and say why you think the response letter was needed? I think it gets at what we are really trying to demonstrate, which is that there's hardly any analysis of power when we're talking about these inter personal grievances within quote, unquote cancel culture. And so I think it's important to frame this more broadly. In terms of what cultural institutions are we talking about? So we're talking about a media industry and a literary industry where over 80% of the publishing his life editorial rolls are nearly 80% white. You have conservative talk radio that has now kind of shifted into, um like YouTube and social media spaces, But In the early 2000 conservative radio 90% White and that was largely due to our laws and our policy that made it easier for conservative voices to be heard. And so now that we finally have some marginalized voices that are pushing back. That scene asked stories nous and so And my my view. Self defense is not since stories nous if you look at the actual or I would say the implied examples because they didn't provide very clear examples in the letter. If you look at what they were talking about either all defenses to people who where, for instance, stereotyping Mexicans and using the N word in a public space. These are things that deserve and open exchange of debate. Which is exactly what you know people on Twitter and activists and journalists are doing In fact, two to your point let me set you up for another answer, because your response letter was called a more specific letter on justice and open debate and your critique that the original did not get specific. Just dealt in generalities. You take some of those claims point by point. I will read the six points that you cite with question marks. So our letters, listeners get it. Number one editors are fired for running controversial pieces Question Mark. Two books are withdrawn for alleged authenticity. Journalists are barred from writing on certain topics. Professors are investigated for quote and works of literature in class. A researcher fired for circulating appear reviewed academic study The heads of organizations are ousted for what or sometimes just clumsy mistakes. So the question marks indicate, I guess Really? Those things were happening as trans. Would you like to take any one of those and say why you think the Harpers letter got the context wrong? Yes. Absolutely So. When we talk about editors of being fired for running controversial pieces that seemed to be talking about James Bennett, former as as the letter States, the former opinion editor of the New York Time And he wasn't fired. He resigned because black staffers roughs up. A lot of this was happening on Twitter. Which seems to be the the, uh, the point of ire for any of this. Signatory. So they rose up on twittering that actually, this defied certain journalistic standards and norms and so in the midst of a of a pandemic, unprecedented unemployment Brash police violence. And we have a problem with repression because you're seeing it every day in our lives and against journalists, activists, etcetera. Everything all of this happening. And so there's a call for more troops are more military presence in the cities where the protests are happening. That was the senator, the senator Tom Cotton emailed out The Times ran Correct. And so it wasn't just a problem that he is, You know, having this exchange of ideas beyond it, being violent, didn't editorial standards because Bennett said he didn't even read the piece and he resigned. And he didn't You know, get fired. We could talk about number few books are withdrawn for alleged an authenticity. That was because an author got a $7 million book deal. Apparently plagiarized a number of passages in the book. And on top of that she was serious having Mexican so a free exchange of ideas is one issue but the other is Are you actually doing your job? Chorley or not, And so people are doing their job poorly and they're having this information is, you know the free exchange of a false ideas, a plagiarized ideas then that deserve some Number Consequences, and she she didn't lose her. But Bill she just got ratio on Twitter. She has a $7 million book deal, And unfortunately, people like complete these experiences with some sort of slippery slope. Fascism that we're athletes hearing things on a daily basis. So Claire Paata new school historian, Why did you sign the Harpers letter? Give us your point of view. Well, I would like to start by saying that a lot of the things that I like that saying I absolutely agree with and support. Um I think one of the issues that the letter raises is that free speech norms, support people with power and actually can exclude marginalized people. I think that's absolutely true, and I think we always have to be talking about who has access to free speech and why, so that's very important. That being said one of the reasons I signed the letter. Is that I do not know a woman journalist today who does not Shy away from stories that are going to cause her to be harassed online. Jessica Valenti actually had to shut down all of her social media and leave her platform for a period of time because she was getting so many death threats. On DH, so many threats to her Children and her family online. So actually, the toxic quality online conversation is a huge problem for free speech. And I think Digital alternative media and social media, in particular, raised questions about barriers to free speech. But we really haven't dealt with as a community of journalists, auras intellectuals. We haven't dealt with the fact of what does it mean to call down trolls on people? And I would like to acknowledge that people who opposed to the Harpers letter some of them were viciously trolls, right? What do we do about the wild spread of misinformation by people who are actually committed to social justice, but have their facts wrong and have a kind of network that is going to put that misinformation. Out there two tons of people, so I actually thought it was very important for a group of us to stand up and say we are disturbed. I would also like to say that the non specific quality of the letter was very, very deliberate. I'm not surprised that people read themselves into it. But James Bennett is not the on ly editor who has been fired for an editorial misstep. Deadspin editor buried Chesky was fired in 2019 for an article that he published that was controversial. So actually the desire to sort of grabbed onto one powerful man and say all of these people are defending him is an assumption and it's It's a reasonable assumption. I'm sure given that it's been in the news. But actually, this is a much more pervasive phenomenon. So I want to talk to each other. A little bit more like a What were you thinking? As you were just listening to Claire. I think it's hard Tio dispute that unopened exchange of ideas and having democratic platform are Important and we wouldn't enter this field is as it has a wireless. If we did not think exchanging ideas on talking about the story of the marginalized were important..

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"thomas chattering" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

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01:45 min | 1 year ago

"thomas chattering" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

"Statues. A cz well as others, but including Confederate statues. Is that relevant to your letter? That is completely irrelevant. And someone like Donald Trump is not a good faith actor. He's not a good faith participant in the kind of debate that, um, speaking for myself. I was trying to participate in that I'd imagine any of the signatory is attempting to participate and Confederate monuments are not being canceled. There shouldn't be monuments in the United States of America to, um aside that fought against the country to two traders of the republic that But to me is false equivalency with the kind of thing that we're talking about here when Colin Katherine it cannot work for having a political opinion that he expressed freely when You have people like David Shore? Um, who get fired for sharing simply for tweeting or research? You know, that was one of the most egregious examples that happened recently, You have the chairman of the board and the president of the Poetry Foundation, forced to step down because their statement in support of black lives matter. In support. I stress was not Considered strong enough. They have lost their jobs for what was deemed to be too tepid of a response. You have the same situation on the board of the National Book Critics Circle. These are neither worrying examples of a kind of authoritarian ing on DH intolerant. Drift in our nation's cultural and media institutions. Thomas Chattered and Williams on July. 8th. Joining us now are a signatory of the Harpers letter that he organized new school professor Claire.

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"thomas chattering" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

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02:40 min | 1 year ago

"thomas chattering" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

"We're offering one last Brian Lehrer Show Summer Friday special on this Friday before Labor Day, the producers and I put together a few of our favorite recent interviews with guests, including Isabel Wilkerson, Robert P. Jones and Eddie Glaude Jr. At first this conversation about free speech, racism and the so called cancel culture sparked by competing open letters that were published in July. This is a dialogue between two guests a signatory of each of the two letters The original was called a letter on justice and open debate. It began by applauding what it caused the powerful protest for racial and social justice, leading to overdo demands for police reform, along with wider calls for greater equality and inclusion across our society. They praise that But then it object to what the letter calls forces of illiberal ism in a new set of moral attitudes that tend to weaken debate in favor of ideological conformity. The letter was signed by a long list of really well known people, including Gloria Steinem, Winton Marsalis, Noam Chomsky, Fareed Zakaria, Margaret Atwood, Salman Rushdie, Bill T. Jones, Michelle Goldberg, Andrew Solomon, Zephyr Teachout, Nell Irvin, Painter. J. K. Rowling and others. There are also some more conservative signatories like New York Times columnists David Brooks and Barry Weiss. Weiss resigned from the times alleging quote constant bullying by colleagues who disagree with my views unquote Among other issues, will touch on the Barry White Story. With our two guests as well. The open letter that came in response to the one in Harper's is called a more specific letter on justice and open debate. The response letter criticizes the first one for failing to deal with the problem of power. Who has it and who, just not the response letter. Signers are generally not famous, and they say that's part of the point. The respondent see the original letter as a caustic reaction to a diversifying industry, one that's starting to challenge institutional norms that have protected bigotry. It says. And it says the examples of censorship or being canceled, alluded to in the original letter, maybe real in some cases, but are not a trend now. The Harpers letter The original one was spearheaded by the writer Thomas Chattered in Williams, who was on this show July 8th mostly about something else, but we touch briefly on his letter. Here is two minutes of that exchange. We.

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05:44 min | 1 year ago

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"I think that is part of having a vibrant public square. I think it's important that we have a vibrant public square. And I think where I disagree with Thomas and where we sort of disappear with Thomas in the letter is that when voices that have been historically marginalized, say, Hey, I don't like this thing. It makes me feel unsafe. I think that's part of the conversation. And that's not censoring someone. That's just, you know, expressing how we feel. Some of compared gave cancel culture to boycotting in the civil rights movement. Is that fair? Second person. I wouldn't make that comparison. What would you say? It's I would rather say boycotting, And I think that's because cancel culture as it freeze has been sort of twisted and used by a variety of different folks in a variety of different ways, And I worry as we sort of, say, Cancel culture when you conflict, for example. Private citizens being fired in their jobs with a columnist like Barry Weiss resigning Then we sort of lose the meaning, and I don't want to suggest it folks that we should then compare, you know, protests and civil rights movement to cancel culture. Faith. What do you think of that comparison? Cancel culture to boycotting in the civil rights movement. Yes, I think it's definitely this conflation that cancel culture has with a variety of different terminology is can be problematic in to some extent, there has become a bit of a slippery slope. Where we kind of use individual incidents to make a case for a larger understanding of culture and the way that our society works. That might not actually be what's going on. So I'm going to be frank here and speak from experience on game. I want you to respond first to this, but I'd love to hear you alway in many people of color are exhausted and frustrated with hearing white people say They don't know any better, right? How can we actually balance this understandable frustration with allowing space for people to learn? Especially right now? I think it's it's hard. I'm tired. I'm tired, too. It's it's hard because you know, we say that we want to balance space for folks to learn and change. And yet It's not just ever one incident, right? It seems to be time and time again that incidents of racism happened that incidents of Transphobia happened in newsrooms that there are incidents where Folks just don't seem to prioritize diversifying their newsrooms, for example, and it's it's really exhausting to try to balance the conversation when you don't see any substantive change. From newsrooms, for example. I mean, I'm a journalist, So that's that's what I can speak to you, and it's tiring. Thomas. What is called in the discourse. Ah, person of color. You know, I have views that that differ from some other of my colleagues at the New York Times and other spaces that I work. So it's what I don't fully understand is how can we talk about there being a black point of view? Or Ah, Latino Point of view, or what have you this identity group Point of view when If you take our letter, it's a disingenuous conversation to say that this is a white letter. We have extreme identity and ideology. Diversity on our list. I still haven't heard Gaber o our faith or anybody that I've interacted with. Really Take apart. How Someone like the poet Reginald Wayne Bet comes at this from a white perspective, as opposed to coming from it from a deeply black perspective from the perspective of a 16 year old who carjacked a man and was sent to an adult prison. Did eight years where he educated himself oftentimes in solitary confinement and then studied his way through Yale law and says that he's interested in pushing back against the unforgiving culture and a culture of stigmatization. And that's why he signed the letter. I don't hear anybody talking about why people with fatwas currently Not just selling Rusty, but come. L doubt who lives in Iran. Algeria don't move to sign the letter. This is not about minorities finally being heard against white. Faith. Just 30 seconds here. I want you to weigh in on, you know the balance between being frustrated and allowing people to space to learn. Yes, I think that a lot of what's happening with cancel culture. I think that there is this kind of divisiveness about it is, I think the real question is is less about whether or not people should be cancelled and more about what Justice and accountability look like within the online and offline realms and really is online or public shaming in another self, a useful mode of holding people accountable to their actions. Only time left us to thank our guests. Faith day she specializes in data curation in African American studies at Purdue University, gave Schneider Washington correspondent for Men Post and Thomas Chattered in Williams, columnist at Harper's magazine. Thank you all. The tributes continue to pour in for John Lewis, with thoughts now turning on howto honor the legacy of the congressmen and civil rights icon who died at age 80 on Friday. Some would like to rename the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma, Alabama. That's where the then 25 year old John Lewis, and other protesters marching for voting rights were beaten by state troopers. So we'll end this hour hearing from the man himself from one of the interviews he gave to Diane Dream when I first came to Congress I came there when Tom Foley. Was a speaker. Tip. O'Neill was the AC one speaker. It was a different climate, a different environment. That people didn't meet. We did have bipartisan.

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"thomas chattering" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

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07:00 min | 1 year ago

"thomas chattering" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

"Thomas Chattering and Williams on this program last week. Joining us now are a signatory of the Harpers letter that he organized new school professor Claire Potter author, among other things, of a new book called Political Junkies, from Talk Radio to Twitter. How alternative media hooked us on politics and broke our democracy. Maybe you heard her book interview on that the other day and a signatory of the response letter. Malecki Jibali, a public policy attorney writer and activist who's writing has appeared in The Guardian essence Jacoby in the intercept Kind affairs. And elsewhere. So, Claire, welcome back. And Malika, Thanks so much for joining us. Welcome to WN. Thanks for having me very much and my like a since we played the Thomas Chatterton Williams clip as Prelude. Why don't you start out and say why you think the response letter was needed? I think it gets at what we are really trying to demonstrate, which is that there's hardly any analysis of power when we're talking about these inter personal grievances within quote, unquote cancel culture. And so I think it's important to frame this more broadly. In terms of what cultural institutions are we talking about? So we're talking about a media industry and a literary industry where over 80% of the publishing his life editorial rolls are nearly 80% white. You have conservative talk radio that has now kind of shifted into, um like YouTube and social media spaces, but In the early 2000 conservative radio 90% white and that was largely due to our laws and our policy that made it easier for conservative voices to be heard. And so now that we finally have some marginalized voices that are pushing back. That scene asked stories nous and so And my my view. Self defense is not since stories nous if you look at the actual or I would say the implied examples because they didn't provide very clear examples in the letter. If you look at what they were talking about either all defenses to people who where, for instance, stereotyping Mexicans and using the N word in a public space. These are things that deserve and open exchange of debate. Which is exactly what you know people on Twitter and activists and journalists are doing In fact, two to your point let me set you up for another answer, because your response letter was called a more specific letter on justice and open debate and your critique that the original did not get specific. Just dealt in generalities. You take some of those claims point by point. I will read the six points that you cite with question marks. So our letters, listeners get it. Number one editors are fired for running controversial pieces. Question Mark. Two books are withdrawn for alleged authenticity. Journalists are barred from writing on certain topics. Professors are investigated for quoting works of literature in class. A researcher fired for circulating appear reviewed academic study The heads of organizations are ousted for what or sometimes just clumsy mistakes. So the question marks indicate, I guess Really? Those things were happening as trans. Would you like to take any one of those and say why you think the Harpers letter got the context wrong? Yes. Absolutely So. When we talk about editors of being fired for running controversial pieces that seemed to be talking about James Bennett, former as as the letter States, the former opinion editor of the New York Time And he wasn't fired. He resigned because black staffers roughs up. A lot of this was happening on Twitter, which seems to be the the, uh, the point of ire for in any of the Signatory. Oh, they rose up on twittering that that actually this defied certain journalistic standards and norms and so in the midst of a of a pandemic, unprecedented unemployment Brash police violence. And we have a problem with repression because you're seeing it every day in our lives and against journalists, activists, etcetera. We're seeing all of this happening, and so there's a call for more troops. Are more military presence in the cities where the protests are happening. That was the senator, the senator Tom Cotton emailed out The Times ran Correct. And so it wasn't just a problem that he is, You know, having this exchange of ideas beyond it, being violent, didn't editorial standards because Bennett said he didn't even read the piece. He resigned and he didn't You know, get fired. We could talk about number two looks are withdrawn for alleged an authenticity. That was because an author got a $7 million book deal. Apparently plagiarized a number of passages in the book. And on top of that she was serious having Mexican so a free exchange of ideas is one issue but the other is Are you actually doing your job? Chorley or not, And so people are doing their job poorly and they're having this information is, you know the free exchange of a false ideas? A plagiarized ideas than that deserve some Number Consequences, and she she didn't lose her. But Bill she just got ratio on Twitter. She has a $7 million book deal, and unfortunately, people like complete these experiences with some sort of slippery slope. Fascism that we're athletes, fearing thing on a daily basis. We have had a report today that eight people were shot from by police officers, including journalists, and several active is 87 Police office accusing 87 protesters were erected and charging felonies. So these are the things that we should be focusing on. So Claire Potter new school historian. Why did you sign the Harpers letter? Give us your point of view. Well, I would like to start by saying that a lot of the things that I like that saying I absolutely agree with and support. I think one of the issues that the letter raises is that free speech norms, support people with power and actually can exclude marginalized people. I think that's absolutely true, and I think we always have to be talking about who has access to free speech and why, so that's very important. That being said one of the reasons I signed the letter. Is that I do not know a woman journalist today. Who does not. Shy away from stories that are going to cause her to be harassed online. Jessica Valenti actually had to shut down all of her social media and leave her platform for a period of time because she was getting so many death threats..

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"thomas chattering" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

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02:03 min | 1 year ago

"thomas chattering" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

"By the authoritarian right. There is a danger that the overcorrection can harden into a interest dogma that we have to I guess in the news the last few days has been Trump trying to identify with the critics of cancel culture by standing up for Confederate statues. A cz well as others, but including Confederate statues. Is that relevant to your letter? That is completely irrelevant. And someone like Donald Trump is not a good faith actor. He's not a good faith participant in the kind of debate that, um, speaking for myself. I was trying to participate in that I'd imagine any of the signatory is attempting to participate in Confederate monuments are not being canceled. There shouldn't be monuments in the United States of America to, um aside that fought against the country to two traders of the republic that That's um is false equivalency with the kind of thing that we're talking about here when? When Colin Katherine it cannot work for having a political opinion that he expressed freely when You have people like David Shore? Um, who get fired for sharing simply for tweeting research? You know, that was one of the most egregious examples that happened recently, You have the chairman of the board and the president of the Poetry Foundation, forced to step down because their statement in support of black lives matter. In support. I stress was not And if it's strong enough, they have lost their jobs for what was deemed to be to tap it of a response. You have the same situation on the board of the National Book Critics Circle. These are neither worrying examples of a kind of authoritarian ing on DH intolerant. Adrift in our nation's cultural and media institutions. Thomas Chattering and Williams on this program last week. Joining us now are a signatory of the Harpers letter that he organized new school professor Claire.

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"thomas chattering" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

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01:56 min | 1 year ago

"thomas chattering" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

"Listeners. We could make some phone calls with Thomas Chatterton Williams. You know, specifically, I wonder if anybody else Listening right now in the U. S. With ties to other countries or listeners and other countries with ties to the U. S. Want to chime in on this? How has your other country dealt with the pandemic? And what is the view on how the U. S has handled the pandemic? Expats, American citizens who moved away How do you explain? The U. S is aversion to masks are of course not Everybody, not even most people, but surprising number of people. Our inability to contain the virus had explained it to friends in your new home. And has being abroad. Given you new perspective on anything related, 646435 70 to 80 or if you just want to ask Thomas Chatter and Williams Question there. Ah, there in France 646435 70 to 86 46435 72. In the In the Let's see. There are so many questions I want to ask at the same time. I'm not even sure which which way to go. I'm going to go to the to the title of your article, which is Two Americans even know how badly they're doing. Do you think Americans You aren't even aware of how badly were doing relative to countries like France. Oh, did I lose you? Are you able to hear the question? I'm sorry. I you could I didn't hear the question. I'm sorry. My question was to the title of your article, which seemed to suggest that Americans don't even know how badly we're doing. Did you mean to say that explicitly? Well, the.

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