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"thirty plus pages" Discussed on Reality TV RHAP-ups: Reality TV Podcasts
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The Voicebot Podcast
"thirty plus pages" Discussed on The Voicebot Podcast
"They'll spend an hour or sometimes more talking about what they've done what they're doing to move the voice a industry forward. Sometimes we take a quick version have book authors that have done the deep research about a specific aspect of the industry last week. That brought you. Professor joseph tura discussing his new book about the downside. Risks of how some boise ai. Technologies are being used today today. I have another author brad stone. He's the bloomberg news editor that recently published his second book about amazon. And there's a chapter devoted to the rise of amazon alexa. We get into that story today. And how this seminal. Product is shaped consumer expectations and research for the entire industry. It seems fitting that. We're talking about the origins of amazon echo smart speakers in today's episode because this week voiced by research introduced to new reports about smart speaker adoption than the uk germany. Each report includes over thirty charts hundreds of data points and thirty plus pages of analysis. They represent the most in-depth analysis of smart speaker adoption. Does the uk germany and in each we compare the results to the us adoption from voice parts reports from twenty eighteen through twenty twenty one. So a couple of top line findings. Germany has filed the us adoption pattern very closely but about two years behind however there are several differences related to the frequency of use in the top use cases. Gerbils preferred through the devices so that's interesting and uk. The big news is that the adoption rate leapt past the us twenty twenty. Yes that's true hired option raid the uk. Did you us. Even though smart speakers were introduced two years after the us and the uk. so there's also a lot of different uses patterns in the uk as well many insights about how smart speakers are really going to be used going forward. So i definitely recommend you check that out. You can access the reports at research voice by data i. that's research dot voiced by day. I that's not the voice that i- website. It's a separate sub domain website that we have just for our research. We have a couple of articles in voiced by that ai and the findings so one item to look for is consumer privacy sentiment across the three countries. The results are quite a bit different than what most people have suggested. So another finding the type of abuse cases their favourite and how the us is maybe falling behind. Invoice voice commerce. So i hope you take a look. This is some pretty hefty research and offers insight into smart speakers that also has larger implications for the expectations and use patterns voice. I across smartphones. Car and elsewhere see can learn.
Science FAIL! Why it's good to do
"We've all made mistakes right. But sometimes i can make us fundamentally confront who we are and who we want to bay beck in twenty four eighteen neuroscientist. Dr been to has had a damn good reason to be excited. It was it was such a shalit's basically there was years of work at prestigious scientific journal current biology had just accepted a paper by humidity supervisors based on his phd project but not without rigorous peer review. I of course reviews as good and tough questions and lots of extra analyses. I did when finally the email arrived and said yes. The paper is accepted. it was just. It was a very happy moment. A piper in a high impact journal. That's a big deal for. Young scientist then investigates how we perceive the world visually. So as your brain stitches together sane in front of you what you see is rematch spatially. Onto a part of your cortex at wrinkly atalaya of brian. So if you think of the cortex is old crumbled up that if you would flatten it out like a sheet could see on this flat surface neighboring points on the critical surf representing neighboring points in the visual field in the scene in front of us then put people in an mariah scanner to see what happened to the map when he distracted them using different visual cues. He came up with a k. For design for study and think we scan a total of twenty seven people which was at the time by far the largest study using this type of method and the method was kind of knew. He said there was a lot to figure out. It was computational so there were some analyses that literally took weeks every weekend machine would run through that stuff when it crashed it would send me an email which is a dangerous thing to do because when you get an e mail on sunday saying oh your coaches crashed in your very tempted to go back to the office and start to fix it. That lots of careful data crunching and analysis lighter and he'd found something significant and surprising this aspect of the brain of the visual brain which part of the scene a given neuronal population of marin response to seem to be more malleable than we thought and it was surprising that it seemed to change with attention. Just through your attending a given power to seen more than an condition. There's a lot to this week but the shorter the long of it is. This was a robust finding worthy of journal. So fast four now to six years later it's june twenty twenty and bins running his lab and tame remotely in the middle of a pandemic lockdown in germany. He's home is three. Kids is a lot going on right and he gets an email. I received that email. And i have to say at i. If i'm honest i i. Wasn't that worried that something was wrong. Really wrong only been didn't understand what yet and he would have to make a career defining choice about what to do next today on science fiction. Something we can all relate to filing and why it's good to do especially in science but also wants wrapped up in a whole lot of stigma and shame again especially in science you know great successes are trumpeted and things. That are not successes. You don't want people to know about however failure is so normal to the day to day working of science we need to move towards a culture where we are actively embracing failure. We all know that air is human and assigned as you know we have to ask why and behalf to ask how and way we fe often leads to the next question we are asking and so does this theory much part of scientific process. It's very great suits of inspiration in many ways the into no signs. That's not the way it looks and sounds in science when a journal pulls or retracts a paper the stuff of nightmares for scientists. But he's angst about scientific integrity scandals scaring scientists away from talking more openly about making mistakes back to that email bend has received at the uselessly. Big university in giessen. It was from susanna stole. Who is doing pay at university college. London under the supervision of professor sam schwarzkopf. Now sam had been a post doc in the lab been had done his pitch in and susanna was building on original. Study when i first read and paper thought. The design. They've chosen was really beautiful and was impressed. Ben included a very extensive stepney mandatory material conducting analyses infect around thirty pages of supplementary data for just a two page paper. Susannah was impressed with half farah was but then she went to do her on experiments and she noticed something odd she was getting. The same results has been even with different experimental conditions. And that shouldn't be high s-. I really had no clue
Shut Up I Love It
"thirty plus pages" Discussed on Shut Up I Love It
"Good nine. Because sometimes i'm like i don't know dude but like still really solid show so as much as i like not like out there looking for hollywood stories to watch. This is working. Great shows there about human condition and how sad it is to be a human paul water bottle to moments. I think one is the main my wrapping up speech. The tom selleck moment when he calls her. Or we think we don't actually know not. It's the only time in series where she didn't have it on speakerphone. So we're not quite sure. And then there's a late reveal about her character that kind of changes your perspective which she was a girl who grew up with a back brace and that kind of changes do they can. What kind of person would maybe that teen girl turn out to be easily one yet that you need to. You need to change as incredible. That is incredible moment. Yeah do i have to use the curb scale. You don't you can put anything you want on scale. You can throw a bunch of share. You can do curb teen being how to with john wilson nice. Wow i just thought pilot very good. Very good wakes okay. Yeah that's all other conversation. We could talk twenty two to join. Joe got excited because he recommended me that i watched it chain being. How with john wilson. I'm gonna say this is a nine one season one is nine okay. This isn't too. What about is into season. Two of the comeback is a bit of a different type of tone. I think because the distance of the character and time. It's a little bit different. But i'm gonna give the original standalone season one nine out of john wilson's look. You can throw curb on it as well. 'cause i'm curious to hear. Curb lives outside. probably an eight out of cope. Wow credible wow great and borak horsemen. Do you watch it at all. Or it's not. I do but i i hate the opening. Credits of budget horsemen skip. Skip intro every time. I think there's some magic but it goes on a bit too long The the magic should have been a bit shorter. Everything i've only watched to columbus sides did not really care for all right guys as hard as a person who just ridden animation pilot and my manager did not love it. I'm telling you hear. Animation is hard but oh my god. What a great discussion i. I'm really pumped. Because i i'm really grateful paul utah. I'm grateful i'm grateful ungrateful as a yoga person that i am. You told us to watch comback. It gave me so much joy and and it made me feel all the pain of the world watching it. So i thank you for that. I feel like we killed the comedy out of the show. Yeah i don't know if we actually made exciting for people to lie to watch. Like i don't i don't think so. I mean we probably turned off some people from watch but that was not our intention. What do you think all right. Well paul is there anything we should know about. People can find you or is it all. Is it all secret secret life. You live in the place that i don't know about. There's no secret. hi. I'm just launching long form improv. Launching a long form improv school in south africa in the next couple of months plan to do it last year but covert of course all of that And as much as i like improvising online. It's not quite the same. It's not the same as forming a human connection with someone. So i'm using the chance to really look farther foundations and understand what i want to build When we come out of this 'cause it will screen and it's a great time to take it and then hopefully when the world comes back to normal just put it all out and create stuff again. Joel what about you. What are you got going Check out my patriot. Pitcher on dot com slash. Joe bail my first issue of my new horror. Comic bottoms up. So even if you're who a dollar subscribe on pay trump for a dollar a month you get a thirty plus page comic book plus all my other stuff. It's actually stupid. What you get for the price stupid. It's it's a little ridiculous but it's there so check it out you don't wanna subscribe. There's also you know my gum boards store which will have all my comics as well if you wanna pay more for the comics. Check it out guys. You should check it out as happy subscriber person who actually does read all the stuff that joe sense i am. I'm very pleased. Very pleased with makes makes my day a lot of times. I'm happy to hear that. And i'm going to start teaching. Tv writing a script anatomy. The best. I think you need riding school in the universe but it's the classes are not open yet for me but i will let you know when they do. Well well thank you guys. They watch all for thank you Keep the base going dude. A thank you joe for hosting twenty twenty one twenty twenty one yard having a year. Thanks you elizabeth salute for artwork. Thank you as i walk away. Thank you thank you. I walk for this amazing..
The Big Story
Google And Facebook Under The Mistletoe?
"Here to go over the google lawsuit with us is alison schiff. Whose coming down the chimney as we speak to drop some under our tree even though she's jewish elo alison. Hello and emphasis on the ish part of that honestly. So there's a lot of juice in the the texas ag lead lawsuit but before we get to that let's talk header bidding. What did we learn about. How google responded to the threat of header bidding Years ago right so in in an attempt to reinject competition into the marketplace just as just a quick scene setter in a publisher's devised a new at the time innovation called header bidding which is a trend that ad exchanger covered the absolute bejesus out of And then by two thousand sixteen something. Like seventy percent of all major publishers had already adopted header bidding so google realized right quick that header bidding posed a threat to the dominance or sorry the alleged dominance of its ad exchange and also the The information advantage of being able to trade on non public information from one side of the market the other because they're both controlled by google and there are actually internal google communications. Apparently that are cited in the suit in which google makes it pretty apparent. Pretty clear that it's aware that header bidding is a threat so what you did in response to that threat. According to the suit is they allowed publishers to use its ad server to route inventory to more than one exchange at a time so you know a a unified auction but all the while they were secretly letting their own exchange win even if it hadn't necessarily submitted the highest bid and someone over google must really love star wars by the way because the code name for that program was djeddai and the code name was redacted in the public suit. But there's a wall street journal story that's out from From last week and it's They got their hands on and unredacted draft of the suit before it went public so there are some interesting nuggets in there. Like the code names for things. I'm glad you mentioned how addicts ginger covered the jesus out of header bidding. Because as we all know. But jesus says the reason for the season sorry tat. Now please please bring. Actually you actually mentioned the unredacted lawsuit that the wall street journal gotten actually. That's something that really struck you. I think when you were recording or new reporting initially on the publicly filed lawsuit a so many reductions what what did you make of. That was that was that. Was that striking to you. I mean it was annoying because a details that you'd like to to read as someone who's poured a cup of coffee and sat down to core over a hundred and thirty page document I mean it was the first couple of actions to be honest. Ooh this is. This is official. This is sort of exciting. It got annoying because over these massive blocks text at you couldn't read but apparently it's it's really not uncommon given the sensitive nature of a case like this to redact things that are considered a proprietary. So i mean there was a lot of redaction. It's a long suit though it's annoying but it's not anything. That's super weird.
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How are changes to sexual harassment rules working in schools
"In May, the Department of Education made sweeping changes to title nine regulations Peter Medlin with W J reports on how colleges and universities are coming to terms with new policies. Many advocates in school officials say will chill reporting the new regulations changed the definition of what qualifies as sexual harassment under title nine to meet. The new standard harassment must be quote severe pervasive and objectively offensive. She Wa Patel is the Director of justice for students survivors at the National Women's law center. So these rules kind of in total really just turn title nine on its head as a civil rights law says they raised. The threshold of what schools can choose to ignore, and it's a departure from guidance that's been in place for wrong twenty years if a student isn't being outright denied equal access to a program or activity that might not be enough. So that means some substance would be forced to endure repeated an escalating levels of abuse before they can get help. The new rules also require institutions of higher learning to dismiss reports of harassment the happened off campus. Now, they'd had to put together a separate sexual misconduct policy to apply to those situations. This has ramifications for online harassment especially as many schools move to. More virtual instruction during the pandemic faith Ferber is a student engagement organizer with no your nine. She says, if someone's harassing you in a class zoom meeting that would be covered but if someone is sexually harassing you over facebook and then you have to see them in the zoom classroom that wouldn't necessarily be covered a northern Illinois University. Title Nine Coordinator. Sarah Gardner says they do have procedures to help students. We had the opportunity to see okay even though it doesn't reach this level of conduct how we address it as university but as faith ferber says the problem is that places like and I You could ignore those cases that they choose to, and she says, the Education Department isn't there to protect students either we can't count on our schools can't count on the government. So all we can count on is students and student power to really make a difference in holders schools accountable at a you students held protests last year on the basis of the university was mishandling investigations and the process was slow and apathetic. The university hired another coordinator and Garner says, they're much better equipped to handle their case load. Now, the new regulations are over two thousand pages two, thousand, thirty three to be exact and. The policies themselves fit into the last thirty pages or so the reason the document is so long as so that the Department of Education headed by Betsy Devos is trying to justify why the chains are needed and respond to public comments. She Wally catalysis says there were more than a hundred thousand comments mostly opposing the new rules they were school principal. There were mental health experts over nine hundred trauma specialists joined a letter and raised concern about the rule. So the significant opposition and yet they continue to move forward Sir Garner A, you were one of the many schools that Senate comets harshly not. Many concerns made it into the final regulations. Patel says, the provisions were largely unchanged from what was proposed, but there were also a few changes that weren't even in the proposed rule. So they didn't have a chance to comment. One example is that colleges and universities are now barred from dealing with complaints by people who aren't actively participating in an education program that means a school won't be allowed to investigate a complaint of sexual harassment if the survivor already graduated or they transferred or let's say they dropped out of school because they were sexually assaulted and they don't plan to re enroll and colleges. Could dismiss cases when the respondent who's being accused isn't enrolled or employed by the school but tell that could include professor who retires or who resigns after abuse comes to light. Another chain that wasn't included originally reiterates that the department's guidelines supersede any state law and some of the new title and changes are in conflict with Illinois. State Law one forces those going through an investigation to undergo cross-examination in a live hearing and as Sarah garnered I says, we have a state law that says, you cannot cross examiner one another. This is the price sexual violence and Higher Education Act however now, the federal. Regulations. You must cross examine each other in public comment. It stated that this quote turn educational centers into courts of law and allow for parties to be subjected to quote demeaning inappropriate, and irrelevant probing there waiting for the Illinois Attorney General. Kwami Raoul away in he along with seventeen other attorneys. General is suing the Education Department to block the final rules from going into effect. Garner says they'll find out if they have to proceed with the guidance on August fourteenth there are countless other issues advocates say make the process more difficult for the people involved and for the school conducting the investigation and Peter Mullen.
Big tech CEOs testify before Congress
"So, this hearing just going to say it, it was six hours of chaos. So. So many things like individual moments of pure chaos happened this hearing. But because every member of Congress was only given five minutes to ask the questions in and they moved on, no one could process the moments of cash. So here are some things that happened during this hearing. Jeff. bezos just started eating nuts on his call. That was just a thing that you started snacking for the first ninety minutes. It appears that basis had tech issues was operating in some kind of delay. So we didn't hear from him. They just answer any questions and they'd take a ten minute break Jeff. bezos could fix his computer. Amazing. Jim Jordan, who McKenna pointed out. On the show last week is always sort of chaos element. Try to talk over several members of Congress got yelled to put his mass back on floated. Just elaborate conspiracy theories. was when I say was chaos I. Don't know if there's any other way to describe it. I. Think that led a lot of people to think the hearing itself didn't accomplish its goals, but I think in many ways it did. But Kennedy you WanNa Kinda go through what the committee was trying to accomplish the themes they were pointed at in. How hearing played out, right. So okay. First off. Harkening back to last week I mentioned Jim. Jordan's mountain dew obsession. Definitely drink a handful those throughout the hearing I took notes in screen shots. So, I, called it. But regardless of their pores soda choices, there were a lot of lawmakers who definitely did their homework and I think that was really apparent throughout the entire hearing and when I look at. The picture that they tried to paint I think that became really clear in chairman Sicily's opening statements. So this is the guy who liked. And spearheaded the entire investigation from the beginning, and in those opening statements, he pointed out that yeah Apple Amazon Google facebook. There are different in a lot of ways and they exhibit anticompetitive behaviors potentially allegedly and a lot of different ways. But what they tried to pull together and was a story, and it's really hard to tell a story and five minute fragments. But what happened yesterday was Sicily. Ni, and a lot of the Democrats on the Committee wanted to point out that these companies they become bottlenecks for distribution whether that's information or just like APP stores marketplace's they control what gets distributed in how what was really key to the investigation was how? How they survey competitors. If you have so much control dominance over a market or a specific part of the tech industry, you have a lot of insight into your competitors and you can do a lot of dangerous things with that, and then lastly, after that dominance has gained, it's how they abuse it. Right? How they abuse it to make harder for small businesses in competitors and I think that's exactly what Cellini pointed out in the beginning and I think they did a poor job that storytelling throughout the process. But I think that's also our job. Right is to pull that evidence together and tell that story for them in a way that isn't like. Yes, no yelling at CEOS and like stopping them and I think by getting that in the evidentiary record doing all this questioning, I think they really did achieve their goal in the end. Yeah. I mean, I think the thing that happened sort of next to the hearing was that they released a bunch of documents from these one point, three, million documents of clutch. Over the past year, they released pretty targeted selection documents for every company showing some of this stuff, Casey, I wrote a story about. facebook. INSTAGRAM. My I'm going to frame this email or mark Zuckerberg. Literally one sentence, no period. The Andrew says I need to figure out. I'M GONNA buy instagram like I would love to just be in a place were sending that email like super casually like I got this thing to figure out and it's not like am I gonNa buy the model of the car. It's like instagram. I've been thinking of the text messages where so and so says that Mark Zuckerberg's didn't go destroy mode on instagram ever since they got that up. Case she this to Kevin and right that text was. Yes. Well, it was Kevin. System was talking to an investor and Kevin said to the investor. If we don't sell well, mark, go into destroy mode on us and the investor side probably. Of course, stray casual. So there's just a lot of documents and I think one of the functions of hearing was to get those documents into the official congressional record to make the CEO's account for them. That did not seem very successful to me. Is like a takeaway people should have from this hearing, right? No. I think a lot of people that go into these hearings are expecting like these big Gotcha moments and expecting like a lot of news and all this stuff. But it really, it wasn't oversight hearing. You know it wasn't. They didn't come. They came at this like in a report last earlier this week that they came out at as investigators. They didn't come at it to make a big show horse and pony show out of it, and yet I think the CEO's didn't. The record well enough to the extent that they could have. But there was definitely, I was expecting them to do a lot less evasion and I expected a lot less room probation with the documents, but it's just the process of a Congressional hearing. It's. It's hard to do that in a congressional hearing. But if you put those documents out there, you get the CEO's on the record a little bit who does excite this excites the FTC. J, and that's who can take this next and then it's also congress. You know they can't break up a tech company, but they can regulate going forward and it's those three key themes that I pointed out earlier that they could regulate. You know what I mean. They could legislate to forbid companies from surveying competitors and things like that, and that's where this goes. So the format of the hearing, every member and five minute chunks, it seemed very clear that the Democrats had some sort of coordinated evidentiary strategy, they would start and. And they would say, I, want to read this email to you. What did you mean by this email and then Jeff bezos would say something like I have. No idea is on works. I. Was real pattern that developed was basis really not doing or claiming he definitely knows claiming not really no way Wayne is under the thing they did or they would ask sooner Pichai about the very granular add deal google made by an ad product, and soon I, would say I'll get back to you, which is basically all responses. So the Democrats seemed like they were coordinated to move through their documents. The Republicans seem to be doing something else that also seem coordinated intentional, but what was their focus because that seemed clear split my takeaway from Jim Jordan who? We got into earlier, he he was interviewing. As if they were all Jack Dorsey. And as we talked about like, yeah, he invited Jack Dorsey to testify, but he doesn't sit on the antidote subcommittees. Anything. He says, it just doesn't matter. So it sounded to me as if he prepared questions Jack Dorsey and then it was like, oh, he's not coming I'll ask Tim Cook the same questions. Another completely crazy moment that happened just seen by and five minute chunks is that. Represented Sensenbrenner from Wisconsin Dear Sweet Wisconsin. Definitely. Asked Mark Zuckerberg why the Donald Junior was banned from twitter and mark. Zuckerberg was happening on twitter facebook and there was just like a moment of confused silence, and then he tried to move on and that just sort of floated by in the river of chaos to tell you how much chaos there was kneeling. When you started to tell that story, I thought you were going to tell the story about when Jim Jordan asked him cook if the famous one, thousand, nine, hundred, four, Apple Super Bowl, AD was actually about twenty twenty cancel culture, which is another thing that really happened. I think that's out of context. He didn't ask him. He said clearly, this is. That's definitely what Steve Jobs was thinking IBM is canceled culture and Apple's going to break it with hammer and Jeff. Bezos said that social media is a nuance destruction machine and all this crazy stuff from that. It was a wild will that that particular question when Jim Jordan asked, do you support the cancel culture mov, you could see the CEOS like. 'cause they went in order. He asks them all in order. So First Tim Cook just like basically muttered nothing. Here's like I don't. I support speech whatever. The iphone a keyboard like that was his answer. Sooner per child also, just like muttered, right? He's like Google has always supported free expression Zuckerberg like saw the opportunity and took it and the forces of liberalism I rising I, and then basis was like I cannot. I cannot do in like went for it, and that was just totally insane moment. But it also seems like the Republicans were intentional to try to create their own moments where they were yelling at CEOS about bias on platforms is obviously something cover a. At. You were paying a lot of attention that case you're paying a lot of attention to it. Do you think that was effective in creating because you know there's like a parallel conservative Universe Jim? Jordan was on Tucker. Carlson. Last night like was that effective or d think that the CEO's were able to sort of tamp down on interesting the Tucker Carlson pointed out that Google and other companies are all big donors to Jim Jordan another folks. So that is a weird side, but I think it was actually besides the moment where they mixed up twitter with facebook I. Think this was much more effective off. Off Topic yelling about technology than we usually see like are genuinely issues that like they are upset about that, they could point to largely around like cove nineteen misinformation and they could at least like pick those topics and stick to them rather than kind of asking vague questions about like, why is my phone listening to me? Well, they're definitely asked questions about why are my campaign emails getting filtered by G mail? Yes. I should. I should mention that they have really and they have all of these cases where they ask about extremely specific one off incidents that anyone who has used social media knows happens constantly. And, then turn them into a sinister pattern. But I think they managed to come off as sounding more like they understood what they were talking about the unusual. I think that was a real theme of the hearing, Casey. What did you think of this sort of bias side show that occurred? Well, I mean the the idea that conservative voices are being suppressed is foundational to the conservative movement and is behind the rise of conservative talk radio. It was behind the rise of Fox News. Now that social media exists, we have seen it in this new form, but it is sort of being presented as extra, sinister and worthy of. Some sort of legislative intervention what frustrates me about it is that much more than newspapers or or cable news like Mark Zuckerberg Dorsey. These people benefit hugely from having all possible voices on their platform. None of them is incentivized to drive conservatives off their platform. What they are incentivized to do is have rules that make the place safe and welcoming. So that people want to hang out there and so to the extent that there are issues on the platform, they've largely come because these platforms have rules. And you know you would think that a bunch of free marketeers would realize that the alternative to the system that they're so mad about would be creating a new system, but they don't seem at all interested in doing that. So I just sort of dismissed all of them as charlatans I actually thought it was interesting that the opposite track came up, which was the Stop Hey for profit campaign I kind of wasn't expecting that. The representative Raskin I believe asked facebook. Basically, why aren't you kicking more hate speech off. I forget who else asked like look is the point that you're so big. You don't care about advertiser boycotts I. Mean, you know it will here. Here is a fact that the number one complaint that facebook gets from its users, the thing that users. About. FACEBOOK is that it removes too much content and so if you're running the place, you do have to take these complaints seriously in a way. Right? It might not be you know that you shadow band conservative whatever that even means on social network in twenty twenty. But the fact that you're removing content is really upsetting people. So you can't dismiss that idea entirely, but I still don't feel like we're having that intellectually honest conversation about it. So this was definitely I feel like you can connect the you control distribution. We're GONNA show the abuses of power narrative. We got other. Democrats. With the you control distribution. You're banning conservatives right like I. Think what's Sensenbrenner Again, cups and conservatives are consumers to is that people don't realize that like fifty percent of the population in many ways. But facebook has like famous conservatives working its highest levels Kevin. We last week, we're talking about Kevin Roose keeps sharing the list. List of the most engaged content from crowd tangle. It's all conservative content, and that's so problematic for facebook that they're. They're pushing back with other metrics and graphs of their own, making the facts just aren't there, but it doesn't seem to be convincing. Brett Kevin is being asked to recuse himself from facebook case because he's like best friends with facebook I, AP I wrote a column almost two years ago. Now, arguing that conservatives were trying to redefine. Any conservative identified person having any unwanted outcome on a social network, right? So bias is your name was higher than mine in search results. Bias is used suggested that I follow a Democrat and not a Republican right, and if you take action on your policies that apply to everyone against me a conservative that is biased against conservatives, right. So and by the way I have to say this has been hugely successful because we've talked about it. How many minutes now and the longer that these discussions. Discussions. Go on. They just sort of refi people's minds. The idea that there really is a vast conspiracy to silence conservative speech because he's networks are so big millions of conservatives are having experiences like this every day, and now there is an ideology that is basically a religion for them to attach to, which is although Silicon Valley liberals are out to get. Reason I wanted to talk about the conservative side show, which in many ways was a circus is it feels like the notion that we should be punitive to the companies or mad at the company's. Bipartisan, right we were. We were not looking at a hearing where the Democrats were on the attack. Republicans are saying we love. Apple. We're looking at hearing where they were. Everyone was mad. There are a couple of exceptions to that. There were a couple of I think sensenbrenner and a few other folks were like look we want to be clear. Big is not bad. We just WANNA make sure we're not punishing you for your success, but you were like almost entirely, right? Yeah. I. Mean I. think that's it's important to. To capture that mood like Jeff Bezos Mark Zuckerberg, Tim, Cook soon. Darpa, try they usually get to finish whatever sentence they start saying. Right. They're not used to being interrupted. Their thoughts are usually like you know they get to live in complete sentences and people take them seriously here in five in intervals, they were interrupted almost every time they started speaking to be told that they were wrong that they were filibuster at one point Sicily said stop thinking is for the questions. We can just assume they're all good questions. They. Were getting yelled at and they're going yell that about a variety of things that were pretty specific. So you kind of in your kind of structure here. The first one was controlling distribution. What did you hear as a hearing went on the indicated to that? The committee had a case here? I think the apple's APP store is one thing you know charging thirty percent cuts on certain things is just controlling an APP store. It's the same thing with Amazon's marketplace. They can inherently in control what gets placed and what gets sold and you know if they want to play with search results on Amazon, they can do that, and then on facebook and Google, it's not just like products and software that's information. And it could be information when it's like Google. Google. Stealing yelps, texture views right in putting those in its little info boxes in search queries in facebook if facebook is just like an. Mation, distribution platform and. It can decide Algorithm Mickley. Knowingly. What people get to see this bution was very keen to the committee's hearing yesterday and they pointed out different aspects in which you know each company exhibited that kind of behavior. So the one that will you bring up apple? We wrote about this, say there's much emails. Apples document production is just one hundred and thirty pages of unrelated emails and whatever order see it's like scan through it. So there's a lot of little stories in there. There's one about right to repair and apple realizing it needed to repair. By watching PR people operate by reading their emails journalists. Very entertaining. They're like we had a break like here's our strategy. Here's we're GONNA. That's all in there. You can look at it, but there's a lot about the APP store itself and how they're going to use the mechanics of the APP store to control their platform, and it started at the beginning like the first emails in this production from twenty, ten there. From Phil, Schiller Steve Jobs saying, are we GONNA? Let Amazon Sell Books in the kindle store. Store, it felt like I saw an Amazon ad was hard to watch this hard to watch this ad where a person's reading a book on an iphone in the kindle APP in the pick up an android phone keep reading. He's like literally like it was hard to watch like Schiller's at home like pain what a customer is having an experience that good it really just. Heart and so he's like it was hard to watch. You fours Steve Jobs. They're like we gotta shut it down jobs is the bookstore will be the only bookstore on the APP. Store. That's the way it's going to be everyone's gotta used to it. We know that restricting payments will hurt other things, but that's what we're doing and they started there in two thousand ten and they pulled it out, and then that ladders up into everything that we've seen with, hey, ladders up into the analysis group showing up to. Apple, can pay them to say that there's independent study has revealed. Everybody has a thirty percent cut. It has landed up into Tim Cook, forwarding. He gets a letters from developers that are in this direction. It's like apples breaking my heart and he just like Ford's it. Tim, Cook forwards that email to filter credit eighty, just as thoughts like amazing like they are constantly thinking about the APP store as a mechanism of control for the platform in the leverage and other deals. So the other one was apple is this Amazon one which I have very mixed feelings on saying that this is bad or legal I'm curious for all of your thoughts famously. Did, not have the prime video APP on the Apple TV and all these other places apple, Amazon came to a deal. There's an entire presentation in this production like the slide deck of how the deal is going to work. Apple got to be the preferred seller of its own product. So third parties cancel. Apple. Products, Amazon pages, they got. They have a custom by flow. They've custom product pages, all the stuff in return. Amazon got a lower commission on the APP store and gets to Selatan products which no. No like you can rent a movie from the Amazon APP on the Apple TV, no one else gets to it in one world. This is just pure platform collision, right? Apple cut VIP deal for big companies because it wanted something and you could say this is legal in another world. It's like this is how deals work apple something valuable. Amazon s something valuable and they came to a conclusion wherever made more money and quite frankly the consumer experience platform has got better. How do you read that? Casey? That is good and fair analysis of it. I. Think I did read slightly more scandalous. Tones into it in part because apple would never acknowledge that some developers are more important to it than others even though if you assume that that's true, I think maybe one of the things that's frustrating about it is there is no transparency accountability around which developers get sweetheart deals is that once you hit a certain threshold of revenue will cut your price. Why couldn't they extend that deal to everyone right? Or is it just if we withhold something that seems particularly valuable, we can eventually drag you to the table. Table, which is sort of what seems like happened here. I think in all cases, what I'm always looking for is the accountability, right like and some sense of of equitable treatment of developers and I understand the guys are always going to get the best treatment, but it can that be publicly visible. Can it be acknowledged and there'd be routes for others to achieve that same level of success and treatment, and that I'll just seems missing here. Did you buy Tim Co? He said it twice. It was obviously A. Glimmer, of sympathy for all four CEOS. There is a lot of reporting that they had spent months preparing for this hearing like being grilled there, they'd hire outside law firms. They. Practiced they all clearly had soundbites memorized in none of them. Got To say him because it kept getting interrupted. Tim Cook had this one where he is like if we're the gatekeepers, the gates are open wider than ever. We've gone from five hundred. APPS to one point seven, he said like. A whole speech. and. The thing is there's fierce competition for developers. They don't like our store can do for android the windows. For xbox and PS. Four. Which I was like the idea that adobe is going to be like we don't want to be on the IPAD. Here's PS. Four Photoshop is insanity to me. I'm going to build a spreadsheet. APP. For the five. That's how frustrated with Tim Cook. To that ring. True to you I. Mean, there's no, it does not ring true. There is a, there is a duopoly. In the United States when it comes to smartphones, iphones have majority share in the United States and you can't say, well, you know there's there's a rogue fork of android in Malaysia that you could go develop for if you really wanted to and have that come across as a credible argument to Americans. Right it is. Natural for any monopolist to spend most of its time, arguing that it is much smaller and much less consequential as as you think it is and they're essentially always asking you to ignore what is in front of your face, which is that they are the giant. They are in control. What they say goes, and it doesn't matter which small businesses get hurt along the. The. Way I would point out that the contact and we're gonNA talk about earnings eventually. But the context for that is apple had its biggest third quarter ever this month, their revenues went up eleven percent year over year, they're making obviously making billions of dollars in their services revenue, which is a lot of the narrative around the APP stores increasing that services line. Also went up. I think it was thirteen billion. So you're right. They're very big in their earnings the day after the hearing did nothing. To reduce that impression. I want to switch to Amazon a little bit McKenna. You really focused Amazon was basis first time up there. They came at him a lot about marketplace. How did you think that went I think it went pretty good. I. Think. John Paul specifically was just like killer her questions with breakout star. Yeah. She was just like killer and she's the representative for. SEATTLE. So this is where Amazon is right. So she just like killed it and. And I think there were a couple of instances in the documents and in questioning yesterday that really pulled important things out there was like testimony from one bookseller who was like, yeah. We just can't sell a category of books and we don't know why Amazon doesn't let us do that just like testimony like that or even when it comes to like acquisitions, the ring acquisition especially, I wrote about that today through the documents and how. They said, this is for market position. This is a for technology, your talent or anything. We just bought this and that's something that base said again, yesterday he was just very clear. It's like, yeah, we do buy things market position, which is like so insane just here like the richest person in the world. But like, yeah, we're buying market position. It's just what happens. That's another one I have mixed feelings right, and by the way, people should read McKenna story because those documents have just a very funny breakdown like the pros and cons of buying. Buying ring in many of the cons like what if this turns into nest, which if you're just the verge cast listeners like it's just like the Keyword Bingo, but it's fine to say, we're buying market position like this isn't the best product out there, but it's the category of video. doorbells is not huge, right? So to by the the market leader in video doorbells is maybe the most rational use of the money. What is the problem that you think the committee was trying to show an address sense of we're just going to market position. Pointing out, they can just do whatever they want and how casual it is, and there really isn't. It's really funny to read an email like that, and we could buy it or we could just copy it or are. We could just watch. You know that was one of the emails that base from someone. Those are just three options you know and it's like just pick and choose you know. Pointed out like a lot. Just that email itself really pointed out just how easy it is for them. They used a lot of that time history to talk about copycat behaviors and to talk about just like you know buying up competitors and it just seeing that all in one little e mail having to do with the ring was like really i. think it was really kind of I opening and especially like useful for the committee. So Amazon got hit a lot for the data collection side of it of copying competitors. bezos did not seem to have great answers there. Right. So that's the. The thing they got in trouble with this. There is that Wall Street. Journal article from like April where employees were literally like, yeah. We dip into data and we use that to guide our own private label products and everybody was like Whoa and Amazon basins. Yesterday said, well, we do have a policy that bans that but giant pointed out yesterday. It's like, okay. So what's your enforcement look like you can have the policy, but like if you don't enforce it, then it's like meaningless. And then yesterday I. Think Paul was like, can you give me a yes or no answer? Do you dip into data and he's like I can't I can't give you. Yes or no, and we're just like we're looking into it. The story had anonymous sources. So that isn't very helpful to us. You know what I mean. So that was one of the main things and that Wall Street Journal article and I think it's the same kind of examples in the committee's documents. They point out specific examples like car trunk, organizers of all things. It's like weird little products like Amazon's like this is a little hot. Maybe we should do that. So I, I think. I, think they made a good case yesterday. Yesterday on that. Yeah. I mean bezos brought up that Wall Street Journal, Article himself twice, and he was like, well, your policy against it. But I can't guarantee never happened. Then there is a strange just didn't come across clear I. Think I know what the committee was trying to get at their like US aggregate seller data when there's only three sellers and then only to sellers? Yes, I. Think what they're getting at is when you're down to the aggregate data of two companies, you heard effectively looking at individual data. What is the problem? They're like the I get what you're doing. You're just reducing the denominator to get to one, but like it, why is that particular problem? Right? Well, none of these. Dipping into individual seller data and looking at aggregate data. That's not a legal. There is no law. This is all voluntary of Amazon. So they have a voluntary policy where like we can't do individual seller data, but they say nothing against aggregate and aggregate what you're getting at eight. Here you is. Does the same thing if it's just like some goofy little product they. They bring up pop stock. It's all the time before pop tops in a moment. Right? There's only like one pop. So company like you know pop soggy, it was kind of an innovative product. It's like well, if there's only two of them and use the aggregate data, you you you have everything you need to know you know about that product line looking aggregate. If that's what you decide to qualify as do you as you're looking through the other Amazon documents and other stuff. So anything jump out at you is something the committee was trying to prove or get at. The questioning seemed very focused on. Like are you using the state at a copy products? Are you buying things? You shouldn't buy. There's one question which I did not understand why came up about DMC. Take downs on twitch and Jeff as just had this look of panic in his eyes. He's like I don't know man I bought Wedge because my kids want to. Do something like that was like the side show stuff, but the real focus here, it just seemed like it was definitely in the marketplace, right? Amazon, everyone came at Amazon for the marketplace. That's what everybody knows him as like they have all these little sides. They got rain. They got Alexa Alexa was one thing too. That was kind of interesting. It's like. Are you buying things like ring to put Alexa into and dislike expand your like Titan Ism as like an Internet Internet connected home. Thing and make that more closed off and walled gardening. That was one thing. But no, it was just focusing on how much power they have to kind of change. What happens in the marketplace to kind of decide what companies in what products are able to come up on the first page of results. You know that's also something that they dug into Google and in something that one of those like themes that kind of ties everything together. We should say they all spend a lot of time talking about counterfeit goods, and why is it Amazon removed? Fake stuff from the platform and how much is it profiting off of you know selling pick rolexes? Is it surprising? The whole foods didn't show up at all they're. Like that is a really massive thing. Amazon owns that. Is it moving into a huge new product category? I think whole foods is not an online marketplace, which was the title of the hearing, not that that restricted anybody from doing anything except that, one of the things Amazon says is we have lots of competition from offline marketplaces, right? Brought up kroger a lot I mean, this is the case he's point. They all made. It seem like they were beset at any moment. They could be crushed by the likes of stop and Shop Right? Like I think the point though was really on the. Digital. Experience Consumers have and like I, don't know Ho-. Foods fits. Into that narrative, especially, because it is itself not dominant like they bought it because you needed to grow in their. Good at that at my question for you on the Amazon stuff was when you think about, we talk about two thirty a lot right like you and I in particular spent a lot time to thirty, which regulates with the platform can do with content. There's not really an equivalent of two thirty for goods on store. Right like there's some case is out there saying like you're liable for what what happens on your online store page, but Amazon doesn't have that like second order of like Messi nece around it that twitter and facebook to with two thirty, I. Mean, it gets invoked a lot for marketplace's, but it's way messier. Well, I just wanted to like this question at counterfeits question about ranking the store like they are even more free than any twitter is to to sort tweets algorithm. Algorithm clear to modern like it just their store. Do you think that they're like that Algorithm transparency? Your wire things ranked. Did you catch a sense that that's where the regulation is GonNa go. So much of the conversation around Amazon really felt like it was individuals sellers being wronged for reasons of Amazon being unresponsive or stealing. It's data. So I don't know it didn't. It didn't seem like a really big focus of the hearing, but it is a huge deal. Yeah. The, digital marketplace frame of this, which is where we have talked to. Cellini. That's where he's going right like facebook and Google very digital. They have like they don't do physical goods. Really. Apple is the APP store. It's all digital goods. Amazon is the one where it's. Front to a lot of physical things, and that is the only place where I can see this regulation needing to make some sort of like major meaningful distinction in I. Didn't see it in the hearing, but I was curious of you caught a glimmer of it. I'm not positive that they have to make a huge distinction there like depending on what they come up with because. So much of this is about their companies and whatever product they produced. The issue is more or less whether or not they're being surveilled and unfairly by targeted and crushed by that data surveillance. All right. We have gone for forty minutes. We should take a quick break. I said I wasn't going to go by company and it happens. So we should come back and talk with facebook Ango. We'll be right back. This is advertiser content. When I say utopia what comes to mind. Birds Chirping lush natural beauty dialed up and vibrant technicolor. Is it within reach. Your world world. World. explained. You are an essential part of the perfect social body. Every Body Matt Place. Everybody happy now while the peacock original series, brave new world takes place in a scientific futuristic utopia. A concept is nothing new Sir Thomas more. I introduced the theory five hundred years ago. 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Yeah. But you said something to me yesterday was interesting, which is everyone else's problems are forward looking and it feels like facebook's problems are actually in the past break for people explain what you mean. Yeah. So when Congress is looking at any trust with respect to these four companies for three of them, it's It's sort of about the marketplaces that their operating right now with facebook, the question is much more about should we have allowed it to buy serum? Should we have allowed it to buy WHATSAPP and most of the antitrust conversation that was around facebook yesterday was all about that. What did Mark Zuckerberg know about Instagram, and when did he know it? We wrote a story based on some documents that the house released yesterday. In which facebook has clearly identified instagram as a competitor. In at least some ways and wants to go after it and knock it off the table, and so that's kind of where the focuses their facebook and Burke did get a lot of other questions yesterday, but it tended to be much more about content moderation and things that don't have a lot to do with antitrust. So there was weird section where they asked the face. Face Research APP in the novel, Vpn? Any kind of got lost well, explain what happened and I'm curious reactions. Yeah. So facebook has a bunch of nifty tech tools to figure out what's trending which APPs or the kids using, and so that can essentially have an early warning system if it needs to consider acquiring something or more likely in these days, go out clone it. and. So Zuckerberg was asked about the way that the company uses these systems and if they are anti competitive I, think you know traditional antitrust law probably would not say copying an APP feature is anti competitive, but could lobby written in the future about it shirt I. Think the one that caught me was I mean, this is what I'm. McKenna's points from earlier is like one of the themes here is, are you so dominant that you can collect data that's unfair and then use that to crush or killer competitors, and definitely bought the Inaba VPN to do it. That's true. Now, when I've asked executives at facebook about this, what they'll say is they don't get surprised anymore. When you have three point, one billion people using your apps around the world. You know what links they're sharing, you know what they're talking about. And so you're not going to need some kind of specialized tool to know that WHATSAPP is really taking off. Right. So they would argue that, yes, these tools were useful to them, but you know at their scale, they know what's popular now, which doesn't really seem like addresses, the problem is reached. The fact that we're so big that we're all knowing is maybe not the defense that they sometimes presented as so here's what I didn't get. I thought, Zuckerberg I want to the instagram. What's about who's issues, but on the facebook research front, the data front, they him about this APP facebook research, which you were giving to teens. They were deploying with an enterprise certificate that story broke apple revoke the certificate, and all of facebook's internal APPs went dark, and this is a scandal story after story about it, they went on for two days. So I can I, don't recall that APP? Just how he you know, he remembers the day that all facebook's internal APPS went down and people couldn't go to the cafeteria. I would agree I found that answer. Extremely, ed? Persuasive. that. Do you think that was like actually strategic for him to be like, I, don't know and then come back later and correct the record I do remember when that happened I. Mean. I really don't know I mean also you know during a six hour hearing, it's also possible that you just you get flustered or you miss here something or or something because. Yeah. As as you say, I'm sure he remembers the day that apple turned off their internal APPS I mean. Honestly. Seems like an opportunity to talk about apple's market power, and the fact that you know a day of work canceled at facebook because apple got mad. But I think most of the CEO's didn't go into yesterday a wanted to pick fights with each other. It was kind of sad that they didn't. I was Kinda hoping that Tim Cook take a shot at soccer burger. Point that the other two APP platforms I was expecting it. It was there. It was. There was all there. So cellini ended and he ended the whole meeting with closing statement. He said, some of these companies didn't get broken out. They all need to get regulated in the off too much power that some of them I. don't these breaking up apple. What sort of break. Right like. The division get sent into the corner thing about what it's done. Right. Does should spin out the finder team I've always wanted to. A clean is always that they want to. They want the APP store to be separate from the IPHONE. Basically, that's the thing I always hear. Can't break I. Think you can write some strong regulations but not playing you're on store, right. But like Elizabeth Warren's point was it's cleaner if it's two companies, but it's still a gigantic remedy that I don't think there's a lot of like like consumer or public opinion is going to walk into an Apple Cup I think you'll radio at marketplace. It seems very clear that we says some of them she broken up he is talking about facebook. I have a twenty percent conference level. He might be talking with Google and Youtube as well. But if he's going to say some of the need to get broken up like it's facebook, did you hear anything yesterday that supported that conclusion or Saudi stocks I? MEAN HE I don't remember which Republican it was, but he was like the Obama FTC looked at this and they said it was minding love. Obama. Right. Like. Why would we go back in time to relook at I? Mean, there is a belief and I mean. Somebody who thinks there could be a lot of benefit in instagram and WHATSAPP being different companies from facebook. And the reason you ask. So many questions about that acquisition as you're making the case that it never should have been approved in the first place, and so now you need to remedy it. So that was actually like the entire thrust of the argument against facebook yesterday. I think, you could probably make just as good a case that Amazon after spin out aws, but lawmakers chose not to make that case. Yeah. I think that also gets into. Politics of the acquisition of the time. To his credit is like nobody knew instagram would actually be a success like we made it a success. It didn't happen by itself. I, don't know if the lawmakers. By award, these guys said, but I don't know that he actually made that case very persuasively. and. Who knows I mean? That's like anything could have happened. Right? Cram could've stayed independent and rapidly grown and overtaken facebook like that's something that could have happened. It could have kind settled into a middle zone like snapchat or twitter seems more likely to me although I think probably would have been bigger than those two but. You're never going to know I mean it is true that facebook gave Mike and Kevin it instagram enormous resources. A lot of the reasons why Mike and Kevin sold was because running tiny startup that's blowing up is absolutely exhausting Mike. Krieger. was dragging his laptop all around San. Francisco. Because the servers were melting at all times of the day whenever Justin Bieber. Posted like the site stopped working and they really we need help. Finding a person who can quickly fix this? So we don't have to like that is the reason that they were entertaining these offers and wanted to sell it. So that is also thing that happened. Do you think that that same kind of argument or approach can apply to what's up? What's up basically did not come up yesterday and all the focus on Instagram, but that's the other one, right? Yeah, and we know weirdly a lot less about that acquisition I. Think it's because people in America just have so much less love for what's APP generally. That, it's never seemed as important. What happened to WHATSAPP as what happens to instagram even though WHATSAPP, is used, you know way more, it probably has way more engagement even than instagram does so I don't know why that didn't come up as often. We know there was a competitive bidding war for that as well. Goule. Wanted it as well. You know Mark Zuckerberg made them an offer, they can't refuse. Do you think everyday Google's we should've spent more money on what's whatsapp like this could have been solved. Should have, but Google has been placed under an ancient curse that prevents them from ever making the right decision about any social product. So it was doomed never to happen. It's fun looking through the documents and watching them casually say they should buy facebook dot com. Yeah, that. Point. That is how they talk like the window into these executives just casually being like we should just this thing or maybe not, or we should just copied ourselves and kill it before it gets any traction like it's repeated over and over again last facebook question. This one is like harder to parse because I. There's a chance, it's October is just joking around but. But. He's in many of these emails. He's like the thing about startups, as you can always buy them, which I think the committee thinks is a smoking gun, right? Like facebook's entire plan is to buy the competition to get the data from wherever they get it to say, oh, man, this apps popping, we just buy it and kill it before it competes with us. I. Think he actually said at one point. That's a joke. Yes, he did and I believe that you know it was two thousand, twelve, right? He was probably still in his mid twenties. At that point, the company was a lot smaller like people were joking around like there's more loose talk when companies are younger and I do think. It was it was part of that. I think the more interesting question becomes. Let's say facebook is telling the truth about everything. Let's say they thought it was going to be a successful acquisition, but they never knew it was gonna big as it became today and they invested in it and it got super big. Okay. Well, now, it's as big as it is. Should they be allowed to keep? Keep it or should they be forced to spend it out and if you're GONNA force them to spin it out. What's the argument that you'RE GONNA. Make about why one question that I have a lot is clearly the referral they're gonNa make, and it seems like if you don't have some other reason, we've heard hints that there's some other reason, the FTC scrutinize this that will eventually be revealed. But what you're saying is the antitrust standard at the time, the Consumer Hartman stand, which is still our standard. Says, you have to prove prices will go up both products for free. You're screwed. Right? There's nothing to review because you're not gonNA prove prove that free products are gonNA get more expensive. I think it's pretty unfair if you change the standard and you go back in time and say you missed that standard. So I think there has to be something else there. Well, what was the standard by which at and T. was broken up? Right? Like presumably at and T. didn't used to be that big, and then it just got really big and then they broke it up at least. That's the thumbnail understanding I have of that break-up. Well, yeah. But then reformed itself. Right. But because of lax antitrust regulation, right? Like it wasn't a naturally occurring phenomenon that all those APPS got back to the other or was that just sort of like inattention to capitalism It's like in the seventies and eighties. This is Tim moves book the cursive bigness in the seventies and eighties Robert Bork I can't talk about Robert on this podcast. Are we doing this right now. Robert was very influential judge Appellate Judge Federal Appellate? Judge. And basically moved the antitrust law to the consumer harm standard as part of a movement called and economics. A whole thing Robert. Bork. Mostly famous because he was not appointed. He was nominated Supreme Court by Reagan but they leaked video tape rental history, and then he didn't get nominated and that is where the expression getting bork's comes from. This is all true Netflix's still has to abide by videotape data privacy act is a whole. This is all true when facebook and Netflix had some partners, Nansen? Partnership. To. Automatically share your net flicks, watch history to facebook. They're like pending the change of this law which we are working on Robert Bork. He haunts us all. I'm sorry, I can't believe this much. Yeah I. think that's just like the law changed in the in the seventies and eighties, the standard change. The conversation right now is a very much about changing it back months and months ago, pre pandemic, we had an economist from I. Think it was Nyu Thomas Philippon came on the show, and he was like look you have this natural ab test going on in the world where the European Union when it formed was like, how do we get an economy like America's? So, we'll just take their competition policies pretty good, and at the same time we changed consumer harm standard. So everything you're seeing the EU is basically our old competition antitrust standard in. You can see how active they are in everything. Here's a new consumer welfare standard. Whether you believe, this is actually a functional Ab test given. The state of both governments is up for debate, but that was his point I thought. It was spare can say.
The Big Story
Whats the next disaster we need to prepare for now?
"This came out of nowhere. You may not in fact be shocked when I tell you that. Lots of people predicted this from scientists to doctors to past presidents who even prepared for it to billionaire philanthropists who gave Ted talks and science fiction writers who wrote books a lot of people predicted a pandemic but the United States. And if we're being fair about a lot of countries including US still weren't ready the pandemic we're living through right. New is one of a number of scenarios that worry analysts and scientists. It's a low probability high consequence event that means it probably won't happen in any given year but over years and decades it gets far more likely and if we're not ready just like we weren't ready for this one. It can be devastating. So what exactly are the threats that we should be preparing for now as we deal with the pandemic what worries the giant intelligence apparatus to the south of US and other intelligence agencies around the world? I mean look. It's been a few months of nonstop virus anxiety so we figured we should maybe find you something new to worry about your welcome. I'm Jordan Heath Rawlings and this is the big story. Garrett graff is a writer with politico who put together a very interesting list hi Garrett I think for having me no problem we uh we. We realized that had been a while since we checked in with our neighbors to the south and a as soon as we did we say you guys are fretting about a lot of things but just first of all I mean. How are you guys doing these days? I think the mood in the nation is darkening. I think there is both a sense of. This is not going to be a short crisis. Either in terms of the public health aspect or the economic aspect and that the government is not rising to the occasion in the way that we are used to as Americans seeing our government rise to the occasion that Such as we have found bright lights and hope in leadership here it has been largely at the local level and at the state level and that the federal government still seems dramatically outclass by the scale of handle. That's unfolding right now. I mean I will tell you. There is a ton of discussion amongst our political leaders up here To simply ask the federal government to please keep the border closed because I think that the general populace is is. Frankly worried about you folks. Yeah and Vermont is Where I live is actually in very good shape in that. We are one of just three states right now. That is actually has Qisas moving in the right direction and We are beginning to reopen But you know when you look at all of the states surrounding us. They they are still in the midst of really terrifying outbreaks. And the reason. We're calling you today because we wanted to kind of get a sense of what's going on the states and what you guys are thinking about. And what comes next and you put together A very interesting and somewhat depressing piece for politico about something called the domestic threat assessment. So why don't you tell me I what is it? And how did you make it ashore? So an annual tradition in the United States for the last dozen or so years is that each winter the director of national intelligence here the person who oversees the seventeen different intelligence agencies that make up the US intelligence community issues what they call basically a collective worldwide threat assessment It's twenty or thirty page.
Covert Nerd Podcast
Middle Earth Minute: The Numenoreans
"I'm going to be talking about. The Newman orients the new minorities. Were that race of men. If you remember in the movie airborne was a new minority in. They had a long life and they got their start. After the downfall of more goth sirens master Saharan fled but the gods the allies what they're called rewarded the men a group of men for helping in the defeat of Serotonin more goth and gave him this island. I king of the Newman orients was l Ross. And he had a brother named L. Ronde as we know from the movies they were half Elven so they could pick either the immortality of the elves or the mortality of the men so l. Ross chose to be one of the men but also the land that they got from the valor. They also gave them long life as we know in the movie airborne was seventy six seventy eight. I think if I remember correctly so they gave these men. The Newman orients extended life. They typically lived around four hundred years of age sometimes a little longer later on. They didn't live quite as long. But we'll get that in the later on this island really good. They loved the valor on the Gods and everything good but slowly but surely they started to decline. They wanted not only a long life. They wanted immortality like the elves became jealous of the elves and wanted immortality. They were told that they can never visit the West. If you remember in the movies the end Bilbo and Frodo and Gandalf and some of the others went on a ship and went to the West. They went to this place called the undying land. The deal the valor made with the new minorities was that you can have long life but you can never go to. The undying land will later on generations later thousands of years later in fact they said No. No we're not going to be banned from that. They call it the ban. R- actually going to go to the undying land anyway. And so sorry. Ron Shows up on the scene later. On the Newman Guide extremely wealthy and very arrogant. And that's why they decided to say you know what we're going to them dying land anyway. We don't care we're better. We know better and sarin help feed that. In fact he came to the island as a prisoner and faked being captured by one of the minority and kings. And that's where all this got started. And the Valor said. We're not having any of that. As soon as one of the kings went to the undying land he destroyed the army and sunk the island. And so basically. This is tokens version of Atlantis. But as we know some of airborne's relatives he still door remember. He was from new minore. They left the island before it sank and established colonies in middle earth. And there's where we get gone door fascinating fascinating story. I definitely don't do it. Justice but the whole story has a lot of intrigue and you can find a detailed story of this in the Sylmar million towards the back. It's called the Cala Bath and it's only about thirty pages long and goes into much more detail of the capturing of SAR on and the deception. He gives the king and how he moves. The Newman orients down that dark dark path to the point that they start doing human sacrifices as well. Then there's another book called. The Tales of new Minora and middle earth has even more little short stories about the different kings of new minore and how they had shifted over the years and started getting more evil also in the return of the king. If you remember there's those a pen nixes in the back there's one in there called Appendix B. That gives you an outline a time line. Excuse me of the second age which is when this whole Numidian. Time-line took place and it gives an outline of the second age and talks about how they started. And how you can see there that they slowly disintegrated down to basically evil so you get little tidbits of the new minority ans even in the Lord of the rings books the Cala Bath and the other. The unfinished tales of numerous men are numerous middle. Earth just gives you more detail. One of the quotes from the tales of numerous middle earth is this. They turn their play into great matters and great matters into play. I thought that was just a fun quote from the book and that one details of middle earth is written by Tolkien but edited by his son. Just like the Iranian Christopher Tolkien so what Christopher Tolkien did in a nutshell is take little stories that his dad wrote but never finished and kind of put them together. In a more cohesive matter. Not The best as you know by. The million is very disjointed. But that's the best he could do so he might find a couple of paragraphs about the new minority in kings over here and he finds another two three or four pages about the numerous Newman. Orients over here and put them all into one book? And that's what he did definitely check out the bath in the back of the sylmar million or tales of new minore in middle earth or both good and the Cala bath is very short so you can probably sit down and read those thirty pages very quickly and it's just a fun read. I just but I'm also a token nerd so take that with a grain of
Review R.L. Stine's Broken Hearts
"Today we are discussing are all signs broken hearts. I believe a super ill the hash. Our streets super chiller makes sense because it's more violent. Yeah Dot Ori Violent and more stuff happens like it's longer a little longer so I'll just go ahead and read the back of the book please. The additional tagline is roses are red corpses are blue on Valentine's Day. You'll die to those really good. Yeah it's pretty good one not too bad. There's someone out there. Someone who kills on Valentine's Day Josie and Melissa are scared especially when they received threatening Valentine's then the murders begin who's sending these horrible Valentine's to the Girls Shady side high and who will be the next to die that's not alive but very misleading. Yes oud very misleading need. It was funny because I was lit early. Just looking up horseback riding really her myself. Yeah 'cause I was like I want to start riding horses. I've done it a little bit in my past and I wanted to do more Frequently like weekly. Maybe oh cool and I wanted to like become like a horse girl and then I it opens a horse accident and I was like Signed from but I might just do it anyway Yeah but I mean. This is a pretty specific. I mean what am I not GonNa Fall in love? People do that in this book to. What am I not going to celebrate? Valentine's Day eating ring also like the date people outside their circle very much. It is a bad idea to stay. In this particular circle it is a toxic. Yeah Poison Yeah Circle. Can I see your Weird Weird Buck? Kelly got one of those like re prints I likes. It is still all the same saizen font though. That's fun and it is a better. It's a much higher quality reprints up that cover Yeah I remember that horrible cheerleader saga. When I got it was like it. It looked so fucking grainy and yeah yeah rid of it. You didn't actually think I sent it to a listener. This book was interesting. I guess it was. It did not follow any tropes outside of bunch of red herring boys right but what was happening was not typical of these books. No and I'm GonNa tell you something I'm going to be real yup. Did I read this book on a plane? Yes So all you. That's where you live. Here's the thing I live on planes. Now yes if you guys don't know I'm doing that show Super Punch on. Tbs which is on Friday nights TBS is located in Atlanta to be s. Very funny very funny Turner Turner sports which is in Atlanta. That means I have to fly back and forth from Atlanta every week. That's fucking crazy. So I'm on planes a lot. Now and congratulations to you. That's crazy. Yeah y'all tune in if you want to it's twitch it's like an hour on twitch and our on TBS in an hour on twitch and It starts at eleven PM Eastern. So that's eight PM AFFEC- I think Pacific and Monday through Thursdays we have Sorry so L H is playing okay so she has this fish toy. It's a very cute. It's cute she grooms and like it's her baby. She has this Little Fish. H It has kind of inside if occurred. She likes to groom. It plays for acute shoe sweet girl And Monday through Thursdays Is going to be on twitch if he way is hosting and I will be on those every once in a while so I will tweet about it. You should he posted. Its refund. Show It's about video games as variety. We do a lot of crazy things you know like it's just you know people having fun so check it out and this is pop culture gaming show. Yeah Yeah So. I'm really excited about that. So please tune in it would be nice to see some like representation of people that like like me in the chat like you know. You never know what's going to happen and we do see twitch chat still. I believe even on TBS so get not chat room. Let's get some via positive force for good. Yeah please because like you know either twitch China in the world yeah you know what the Internet is like. You know s nightmare. I used to love seeing y'all in my in my stream when I was doing solo stream. So it's GonNa be great to hopefully see you when when I'm doing the show So right on a plane. Read it on the plane and I WANNA say this isn't me sad Thirty pages left did not know who did it. And I and I sat there and thought about and I was like. Hey Erica. Know 'cause there were a couple of moments where we were in Erica's head and one that I still think is a little misleading. But it was never ally. This was not a fear street. Saga okay but it was like it was a Erica. Looks at Luke and wondered. Could he have set sent his her sister that horrible. Valentine Bitch. If you're thinking about killing your sister wiry so like a gas about the Valentine there was another instance where Rachel was like. I Hate Josie. I hate her and Eric was like. You shouldn't hate Rachel. That was like yeah. Um She's playing. She's but like technically you have lying to us now. Like if you're if you're a hateful awful person you can still say to Rachel Rachel. You shouldn't hate people. Meanwhile you're like I'm GonNa go stab that
Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
Anneke Lucas, Recovering From Unimaginable Evil
"Thank you so much for joining me. Welcome to skeptic. Oh let's talk about yoga. Yes thank you for having me on. I guess anyone's journey inward journey into the nature of reality would lead to the question of evil and ice evil very much in the way that it is described in the Yoga scriptures. That is to say I see evil as ignorance ignorance of the south. You know I totally get that. And I've had those kind of conversations before because a mentioned just a few minutes few seconds. We chatted before the interview that I haven't really talked about yoga on this show. And that's true for the most part. I'm an APP. Four hundred shows. Most of them are on science in parapsychology and near death experience and extended consciousness and things like that that people can kind of approach the question of consciousness from more of a like. I said Connor more of a Guy Khanna scientists point but the things I deal with this people who wanna deny there is this extended consciousness out there like yogis accept that as a given. I mean it's part and parcel of what the Yoga tradition is. And if you read like autobiography of a Yogi I mean th anyone who's ever read that book within the first thirty pages there's shape shifting animals teleportation telepathy all this stuff is just kinda given so. I think there's a confusion when we talk about evil in its reduced down to a confusion or You know in the Buddhist sense just kind of A misunderstanding I mean. That's kind of like step. Three step one is it does exist in. I guess I I WANNA Kinda circle back to that. I mean evil right. Well there's a lot of that's to say that in our realm we all have it. We all are ignorant herself where we wouldn't even have to be here so it. It's all a matter of degree. Straighten everything is relative in our in our realm in this realm of duality. Everything's relative. Would I tried to kind of bring this back? It exists and you cannot use yoga or spirituality to bypass the reality of what happened here on Earth End. I experienced what I think of as some of the darkest experiences having to do with those who have the most power in the world who are literally ruling the world. And what is actually going on in those Strata Society? Because you're talking about that. You're almost jumping ahead to a fantastic part of the story you want to. Do you want me to tell your your audience. What happened to me? Not Not right yet because I think I feel so. It feels so Yucky that you have to go and you know bear witness to it in that way so. Let me continue with us. We're just having a chat here when when you frame it in that way. I feel like you're jumping to the healing part of the story which is a magnificent part of your story is your healing journey and and the deeper understanding that you've come to Regarding the transformation that you went through into the horrors that you endured and how you overcame those in were victorious over those but I guess the answers that this yielded this thirty year journey inward the answers. This yielded as to how to move forward and to change the power paradigm to move out of this very darkly separate right now.
AP News Radio
FBI tightening up wiretap protocols after watchdog report
"Hi Mike Rossio reporting the F. B. I. is tightening up wire tap protocols in response to a critical watchdog report responding to a harshly critical justice department inspector general report the F. B. I.'s making changes to how it conducts electronic surveillance in national security cases in a thirty page filing with the secret of foreign intelligence surveillance court the F. B. I. laid out new protocols and said there will also be additional training for personnel last month a report from the inspector general detailed short comings in the F. B. I.'s applications for eavesdropping permissions during the investigation into ties between the twenty sixteen trump presidential campaign and Russia the chief judge of the surveillance court ordered the FBI to see how it would make corrections
The Frankie Boyer Show
A young author's first book dives into...
"Boyer. And joining us. Now is the author of a brand new book, it's called the Dutch wife, and what a story Ellen Keith. Welcome to the program. Hi, thank you very much for having me Ellen is this a fictional or non fictional historical portrait. It is definitely a fictional novel. But it is rooted in actual fact events that I did uncovered that happened during World War Two and the holocaust. So tell us a little bit about the premise of the book in and what some of the horrific things that happen to women during this time. Okay. So that that's rife is my first book and it set during World War Two the main character is a Dutchwoman merica, and she and her husband are deported to the concentration camps from their home in Amsterdam because of their work in the system. And in her effort to find him. Again. My face is a really terrible choice, even by concentration standards. She's asked whether or not she will volunteer to become a prostitute in the concentration camp brothels. So women were really put in that compromising position in order to survive. Yeah. I mean, it didn't happen. Super often, but it was happening at a number of camps during nineteen forty three onwards. Himmler decided that he would try to boost the economic productivity of the camps labor force by introducing a reward system so prisoners if they were to be behaving while they could have a chance ever awards such as a visit to the camp cinema taking books out of the library or the top. Reward was visit to these prisoners brothels. It's unbelievable. The book is getting rave reviews. It. Yeah. It's been a bit surreal to me as I said, this is my first book, and I went into a little unexpected. It won a contest. True my university. It was actually started out as my thesis and. Arba Collins in Canada put on a contest. But that you could enter with a full manuscript written. And I was really sitting there till the one minute before the deadline at minute at midnight. How man Han? Hi over whether or not I thought my manuscript in good enough shape to submit. I was really hesitant and the whole everything that's happened since then how things have been pulled. It have been a huge surprise. And it really depends on my dreams. So how is how is life going to change? Now. Well, right now, I'm based in Amsterdam. So I've been working as a at a day job at a nonprofit, and I'm trying to balance side with writing. And I think with the success of this book, hopefully, I can focus my attention on writing. I'm just starting to sketch out some ideas for a second novel. So we'll see where that goes. And are you going to do another historical theme or? Yeah. Definitely I think this next one will have a bit Marvin American focus. I think I'm going to set it in New York City in the nineteen fifties. Oh, how fun how fun? So this this. When you when you sat down to write the book. Did you think this was just a one time thing or did you hope that this would become your new future? I've always really wanted to be a writer. But I think it was one of those things that you have as a dreamy don't really know how realistic it is just like saying, oh, I think I want to become an actress in Hollywood, it was something that I thought I will give myself a few years and tying invest everything I have into reading a book because otherwise, I it would always just be something that stayed on the sidelines writing a few pages here, and there I really tried to focus with the hope that something would come of it. But I really had no idea what it would be too. And here you are. Now, how exciting and the the new book is getting rave reviews. It's it's the Dutch wife. And Ellen is they're going to be a sequel, or is it a standalone. Well, I initially when I had written a novel. I actually tried to cram a lot more material into then the book could hog. So I have material that type potentially work as a sequel, but it's really at this point meant as a standalone novel. Okay. And the the second novel. I mean, are you do you have all of these books in your head now? And do you wake up and have a notebook by your bed and just start the madness of writing down, and creating all of these opportunities. I do try to keep a notebook with me at all time. Sometimes I find the best inspiration comes if I'm out cycling to work or if I'm out for a run or some things, I sometimes I have to stop in the middle of a run and just recorded voice memo. But I don't know that anything is fully formed yet. It just ideas that come here and there, and sometimes I think that happens it down and think how can I bring these altogether. Because I mean at this point, you're still a very you're still very young and with so much future. How exciting though to have all of these opportunities opening up for you. Yeah. I'm really thrilled by everything that's happened. Here. It's like I said, I couldn't have imagined. How things unfold, and we'll see I really hope that I can make writing a bigger part of my life. And I'm so excited to start on the next novel. I think sometimes you get so caught up in the editing process and the logistics. Putting together a book. But now, it's really nice to sit down and actually just. Dive back into my imagination. Yes. I bet. I bet. When when did you first start writing Ellen? Always been a bit of a writer. I remember when I was nine ten my parents app, an old typewriter in our basement playroom, and I would sneak down there early on Saturday mornings and try to come pose some sort of story and was always my favorite class English class whenever we were allowed to write a story. Instead of writing more academic essay always jumped at the opportunities. So you've been doing this for a long time now. Yeah, I think throughout high school and elementary school. I was always trying to write one novel not there, and they were always historical fiction. So that's always been my passion. But I always only got about thirty pages in and then lost interest. I thought that I had matured in some way or another and needed to write about a different subject. So this is the first novel that I really wrote from start to finish how long did it take you to write this? It took about three years. And I think most of that was a lot of research. I wrote the first draft in one year, and then after that it required a lot of revision from the first after the second draft. I ended up putting a hundred and fifty pages. That's because I as I said I'd almost tried to write two novels in one. So I had a lot of story line about what happened to certain characters several decades later after the war, and I cut most of that because they're just couldn't all fit in one novel. Yeah. And so at this point now, you have the next book ready to go and do you have like three or four more in your head? Bay rough idea. I has some things I thought, oh, this this could maybe go somewhere, but not fully formed characters or plots or anything yet. Just just for this first one that's coming up. Like, I said I'm in the middle of writing. And I'm sorry. I'm still trying to see exactly what would happen in the book how things would come together logically. And then hopefully in the next week or two sit down and start writing. And how did you come? When did the title come right away? You mean in general or for the Dutch wife in particular for this book for the Dutch wife, actually, when I first started out, I had a very different title in mind. It was for me a very symbolic title. But ended up founding a bit too much like a horror thriller novel was originally called blood road. When I submitted it to this contest. But it wasn't a good match. But the the feel of the book, and it I think would have not worked in attracting readers to pick it up because it had very different field than what the book was actually about. Well, we wish you the best of luck on this book. And the book is available wherever books are sold. Yes. As far as I know, I'm basing candidates. I've yet to see it in book store in the United States that from what I hear you can find it pretty much anywhere. And it must be very exciting to see your book in the shelves of bookstores. Yes. I have yet to tire of it. And I'm sure I'm sure well, we wish you the best of luck on this wonderful journey you're on Ellen Keith. And thanks for being with us. Thank you so much for having me. Okay. And we'll be back in just a moment. This is Frankie Boyer. And you're listening to us on biz talk radio and checkout, Frankie, Boyer dot com. And by the way, the cabbage show is just growing and
Trump sets tariffs on $50 billion in Chinese goods; Beijing strikes back
"Genucel dot com that's jenna sal dot com president trump pushed ahead with hefty tariffs on fifty billion dollars worth of chinese imports didn't take long for beijing to strike back saying goodwood respond with tariffs of the same scale and strength adding any previous trade deals with trump were invalid items seized from president trump's longtime personal lawyer michael cohen during a raid in april had been listed in a court filing today is correspondent athena jones reports are still working on getting into one of two blackberries but they have been able to reconstruct some sixteen pages of documents that had been found in a shredding machine they also obtain some seven hundred thirty pages of messages and call logs from encrypted apps like whatsapp and signal former nfl tight end kellen winslow junior has been jailed without bail after pleading not guilty to multiple charges of kidnapping rape and others the thirty four year old was ordered to return to san diego county superior court june twentyfifth for preliminary hearing i'm robert kusak now a lot of people want me to stop with these annoying commercials for the cloudy tonight overnight lows seventy two degrees for tomorrow partly sunny with a high of ninety three mostly clear tomorrow night a low again seventy two could deal sunshine on sunday high eighty nine one day a mixture of clouds and sunshine that could be a shower thunder at spots monday afternoon high eightyeight clouds and occasional sunshine tuesday in again of eightyeight intervals of clouds and sunshine wednesday chance for shower thunderstorm high eighty eight of accuweather meteorologist bob larsen walter m sterling from sterling on sunday.
Remembering Frank Sinatra 20 years after his death
"Well you know a lot of my radio life has been playing frank sinatra on the radio on w w and of course remember i did this of course the saturday nights sinatra show and it's twenty years believe it or not since we lost frank sinatra the music is still out there and the family led by tina sinatra has been putting out some great stuff unreleased stuff never before heard stuff this of new three cd sets called standingroomonly it's just come out three magnificent concerts rare photos thirty page booklet it's digital or it's a cd i would get the cd because you want the booklet and on the line is tina sinatra tina how you doing i'm good mark good morning how are you very good i love this i you know i actually got two copies of it because i forgot i ordered it twice from amazon i love it but it's on that standing room only at three there's a concert from the sixties the sands count basie there's a nineteen seventy four and philadelphia so far my favorite is the dallas concert eightyseven because that's got some rare stuff on things he did for years but never recorded when joanna loved me and maybe this time did you did you actually go through a lot of concerts to pick this out.