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Hour 1: Jeff Passan On Theo Epstein

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36:32 min | 7 months ago

Hour 1: Jeff Passan On Theo Epstein

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You should be worried why that your nixon charlotte seemed to be the ones interested in russell westbrook that that is when you look around in your allies. It's not a great thing when you're allies are the knicks and charlotte when it comes to Measuring the future of basketball players but because we are so obsessed in sports with the fantasy team with our own organization with the idea of being in control of the transaction being the architect of things. i find fascinating that theo epstein has now left the cubs. Because and it's got two reasons for it one if this stuff is as unscientific as i think it is. Well we give a whole lot of craig credit to ceo's and culture building and architects. You can form a pretty decent argument that no one in the history of making teams has the resume that theo epstein has that theo epstein managed The cubs would be a hundred and twenty something years one hundred ten years without a title. If not for theo epstein of the boston red sox ended in a two places. Like nobody's got that. Nobody's got the deal where they created a champion in a deeply caring about baseball or sports town For place that had gone decades as a loser. He's done it twice but you still question. No i'm not questioning here. I'm not questioning the ability to do it. I'm questioning his leaving now. I'm just wondering about it's not even. I'm not here to cry question what i believed to be at forty six years old the greatest architect in the history of sports. But another thing that i find interesting about it is after billy. Bean explored the market inefficiencies. And expose the market inefficiencies in a way that i wonder if he's got his own regrets about now because The what happened with the o. Epstein is he took all of the information in the wisdom and just said okay. I'll do what you do. And i'll do it with money i won't. I don't need coupons. I've got i've got two giant teams paying me and paying us a lot of money in order to build something and so now he's available and the thing i wonder about as i did with daryl morey and i wondered about it. Wrongs got s- because basically foretold what's happening with the houston rockets and that entire exodus when he said never mind. I'm out of here. And i really thought that daryl morey was the kind of person who would have other interests like You know that ridiculous musical that he told us about that. We will get the sound for on some of the lyrics basketball. It was a sexy basketball musical. I've thought daryl morey was leaving the houston rockets to go tackle greater pursuits. More interesting things than basketball. He was interested in philadelphia. Apparently he had evidently figured out there. Now with you. I thought the same by the way. I figured that he topped out. Whatever it is that was in. Houston he figures. Okay this big. I've tried a different ways. I've tried it by changing the way we play basketball taking more threes than any team in the league. I've tried it by making james harden into who is a player without scoring it i am. I'm trying something different with cappella. And then i'm going to go. Small ball never mind. I'm done here. I can't this is it. I've traded for people. I've moved and changed all of the furniture. This is the best that i can do in houston. Go give me embiid and simmons. And i'll work with them but i didn't think he was going to do that. I thought he was going to explore creative pursuits who we want to have sex with giants or know what's between four and six how to bring the parts into compliance. I just cannot grasp the mechanics. So that is daryl morey What happened. I thought you're on in the pursuit of daryl. Morey why is he not been on with us yet. I reached out to him. He asked me to go through the philadelphia seventy sixers. I have made that request through the sixers. I am waiting to hear back from you posted. I am curious how it all ended in houston in a way that made everyone want to get out. West broad cardon. Everybody wants out of houston. Look at the ownership. Is that it different different owner. They had The whole china thing that Affected the owner's business dealings also. I'd be super curious. I don't know whether they'll ever be honest about this. But i was so embarrassed. For james harden being sent out to do the owners bidding as the face the bearded face of that team on china and him just being ill equipped with the subject matter and just saying i like china like i not knowing how to deal with it. I wonder how much any of that had to do with james harden. Eventually being like never mind. Get me out of here. James harden doesn't have internet remember. That said he didn't know why he was wearing a thin blue line mask because he doesn't have internet with with theo epstein. I heard buster only on k. j. z. This morning and he was talking about theo. wants to. there's a potential chance for him to be part of an ownership team and that's where he wants to go. That's where he wants to keep moving up. Maybe the mets about that. There might be a lot more money and equity in that and that would make some sense if you're forty six years old and you've already achieved everything. There is to be achieved two places. Because you realize theo epstein has co. Theo epstein has on his resume though twice something that no one else has won like. He's done it two time. Maybe he's addicted to chasing that high. It's not just going somewhere with expectations. It's going somewhere with expectations. It hasn't done it in a while. You look at all of baseball. I can go to cleveland or the mets which are usually the biggest punchline in the sport but do you care much if he's part of your ownership team if he's not evaluating players in selecting the he's helping you build okay He's tall he's putting people in place that had his touch and his sort of sign on. I find many of those things to be subjective right because you can't know what a player is going to become student. Did you see. I don't know if you guys saw this last night. But it is one of the most unusual interviews that you will see of prospect coming into a job market. Where the number one prospect in america. Or somebody you know. He's he's a basketball player and his name. I don't have it on me right now but it was an espn interview that was going viral in that he said. I don't like Basketball so much and there are funny stories about this. I'm not that into basketball football. Evidently i love but he is extraordinary at basketball as well. I don't know how you judge. Whether josh rosen cares enough about football to be great at football or how you take. What looks like a high school or collegiate athleticism and figure out how to extrapolate into whether or not that will have success. But if indeed that isn't ability and that ability is in the margins. Theo epstein you can make the argument. Has it more than anybody. And so if you if you are fighting other teams competitive competitively for the fighting for the finding of talent Theo epstein also has all the money in the world. And so if you go from chicago from boston chicago if you say you see this mets ownership and i don't know is that who he's being linked to. The mets owner came out and demand. He won the press conference by saying all the things that arrogant new york loves to hear. I'm here spent. I'll be disappointed if we don't win. In three to five years. And then the first order of business is Theo epstein resigns from the chicago cubs. Because he wants to go do it at a third place because the mets even with a couple of titles. The mets are loveable laughing stock that gets storage safely. They're losers even though they have on their resume. One of the greatest sports miracles that we remember. I've just making the connection of you know he the cubs. The mets have a new owner. They're looking to round out that ownership group and he would be the perfect guy to have their ad. So i'm making a leap by no idea. But i would assume the mets are one of the teams would consider we will talk to jeff passan and find out what's going on with theo epstein. Thank you tony anthony. Edwards is the process. They he's got a bunch of questions around him. I don't know if it's true or not. Because i'm confused by the internet all the time i don't know if jimmy butlers actually dating selena gomez or if the internet trick me i don't know if it's true that anthony edwards is in a position where he is bringing his own food to benny hana's but it is said that he has been. I would like to have that verified. It would like for someone to verify for me whether the prospect anthony edwards thought that that was just a personal botchy. Plays that you bring your own stuff too and you just throw some shrimp at the chef and tell them to make it for you because it is something that has been reported about anthony edwards but it might be the internet just fully in the same way. Did with kawhi leonard. Just sitting around eating apples all the time. Stugatz here when you're looking for a new home. I'm sure you imagine yourself in every space. Do you wanna relax in that. Yar can use that every day. You wanna know the house fitch you but there's more to it the net with rocket mortgage. 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Passan will join us in fifteen minutes to talk about theo epstein. Please don't make him jeffrey epstein. I offer you know promises in that regard Williams is going to join us at eleven o'clock eastern a richard lewis my nemesis and our ohio state correspondent or will join us to laugh at Michigan big one against the hoosiers. This weekend that. I don't think that's ever been said before in football now know. Put that on the pole. Guillermo at lebatardshow has it ever been said in football. Big one against the hoosiers. This weekend. So i wanted to get into something with you. Stu gods because i find difficult sometimes These measurements right We do on quarterbacks. I don't know how much ryan tannehill has been affected by his left. Tackle going out but it would appear that he has been affected by that. Lamar jackson is playing with a lot of different pieces this year. Because of the health issues in that sport and now kansas city their offensive line is got some positive tests. I heard you talking during the break about selling negative tests. What were you talking about it. Not you personally selling negative test but you thought it was a good idea. Evidently you suspect in florida selling negative. I did say it was a good idea. I didn't say something. I wish i had thought of. Although now that i'm thinking about it wraps it is something i wished i thought i i'm saying that there's no doubt in my mind that somewhat in south florida is selling negative test. Thank okay yes. Put it on the pole. Guillermo at lebatardshow is someone in south. Florida selling negative test. Why are you laughing. Because you don't know good and well that's got sane damn such a good idea. I wish i had thought of it. Because now imagining stu gods going in your gus guys i want to get one of those negative covert tested selling illegally and you just hand you like a negative pregnancy tests. I like this is not the same. The we dealer that sells you oregano. That would be the negative but as we talk about like the measurements of these things stugatz and how difficult they can be and how much they're changing right. Because basically in football they've gotten so sophisticated with the precision and the accuracy that the running back is disposable. Because these short passes become the running game like they've just figured out how to how to neutralise david clowney gets there faster than all before players in the league but he's neutralize he gets no sacks because it's hard to get sacks and the thing that i wanted to ask you about when it comes to turnovers the analysis that i have said that is a bit of a fatal flaw as you've seen the sport evolve in josh allen. What you've seen the last couple of weeks from russell wilson. That is a bit confusing. And is why he is. Now you know lost some of his. Mvp sheen is because he's losing the football and turnovers sensu waited more than they ever have been. the best. quarterbacks are throwing up turnover rates that are under five like for a season. They just don't make mistakes like that and the staff that i want to look at as it relates to the quarterback position and recklessness isn't actually turnovers to god. It's something that pro. Football focus calls most turnover worthy plays. Don't you like that better as a stat like you look at a stat and you can see fumbles and interceptions. But don't you like better as a stat. The thing that takes the happenstance out of it that the quarterback made a decision that could have resulted in turnover but every once in a while or too often. The cornerback has frying pans for hands. And that's why he's not a wide receiver because all over the league every sunday. You see a bunch of guys dropping balls that are thrown right atom on defense right. Don't you want don't you prefer to take some of the happenstance on that. Or do you just want gimme interceptions and fumbles. That's all i want. Do we have it the other way where maybe a wide receiver ran the wrong route and russell makes a pass and therefore it gets intercepted as a work both ways. The people who are doing. These measurements troy aikman said of the russell wilson Interceptions last week while analyzing the game. He's like well. One of them came on fourth down and one of them came on third and long. So those aren't basically interceptions is what what he was saying. He's like they was a desperation. Play and you're just sort of punting and so that shouldn't count. The same stuff is measured by people who do it. But do you care the top four quarterbacks in the league or the worst four quarterbacks in the league when it comes to turn over worthy plays. Is that something that you wish to know where you because you're you're anti data. You're you're allergic. You don't want too much information until you start reading and then every time you do and you're like oh information is nice when i choose to consume it. That's why am toward on this one at its peak by curiosity. But if he didn't pick it off he didn't pick off you know like i don't care if it was almost an interception either accept it or you don't okay so that's what that's what about you mike. Do you have a preference in terms of how you're analyzing your quarterback do you just. He added because my quarterback was very unlucky last year i was grasping at straws to explain why he was so turnover prone last year. He was very unlucky in that regard. But mike so you care about balls that should have been intercept that warrant like you care about times that he's gonna care about goals that could've been caught but turned in interceptions. Well among the four worst game is in the sport. The very worst. Let's do this from the bottom Toward the worst. Let's go from And we've got four here so i need my fanfare here before we get to. Jeff passan's aiding to talk about theo epstein with fourteen according to pro football focus turnover worthy plays this season coming in at fourth on this list. Drew lock third on this list with fifteen turnover. Plays lamar jackson turnover. Worthy plays number. Seventeen turnover worthy plays josh allen and number one on the list with six more than josh allen. You got some guests. You got some guesses. Here were six worse than josh allen ago. Russell wilson we've got eight worse than lamar jackson is carson wentz. You went there. It's still got favorite time of the day at time. I also have an idea as to why you went there. That was all an effort to point out. Josh allen right i mean i was surprised that carson wentz was that bad. I was surprised really. Yeah because that's god's twenty-three ben roethlisberger was reckless a couple years ago jameis. Winston lost his job for recklessness. Twenty three turnovers. We're halfway through the season. It's actually not surprising watching them. He also can't hold onto the ball. Either it's just i don't know why they. Why would you drive jalen hurts. You already did the difficult thing in embarrassing carson wentz by digging a quarterback that high so pull the trigger. Hey it's your home e sorry. it's your home. I know you don't like it when i call myself your homie on so i have some favors to ask you. Could you get rid of a few chairs and living room. My floorboards are tired and other easy thing. Save money if you bundled your home and car insurance with geico one more thing. I know you love. Lavender scented candles but could be tried. he should vanilla. I think it would fit my better for bundling made easy. Go to geico dot com today. Donlevatar we just love laughing at losers stugatz arthoscopic try again orthoscopic. The are you gotta get the are sound in there for our or throw vs donlevatar on. Espn radio ricky williams to join us in about a half hour. Jeff passing it a join us right now. All guests on the dan lebatardshow appear via the shell. Pennzoil performance line pennzoil synthetics motor oils made from natural gas. It gives you unbeatable engine protection. The proof is in the pennzoil based on sequence for aware tests using sap. Five w dash. Thirty andre drummond has exercised the clause that pays him twenty eight point. Seven million dollars to play for the cleveland cavaliers. That was first reported by. Andre drummond on stupidity with stugatz got was venting yesterday. Why aren't these people giving me credit. Why isn't everyone saying as reported by stugatz. He was legitimately mad about that. Is that the greatest news break of your careers. Through god's andre drummond saying he's yes it is saying he's back in with the cleveland cavalier. I believed that it is yes I've never broken news before. I've broken any sense. So yep yep that's the biggest That's the biggest scoop of my career. All right very good. So he's still not getting credit but we will continue to give him credit around a year. Couple of dc sports blogs picked up on your random interview. Jay gruden while dan was out your news hound. Let you pass before we get to. Jeff passan though let's Finish up here with christine lisi And finally scotland votes the shortest commercial flight in the world. The flight goes between two islands in orkney scotland and just forty seven seconds speaking of being oddly proud of lasting just forty seven seconds. Stupak a cigarette the sandwich tacking on an extra twenty jeff. Passan with us on. Espn radio always enjoy his expertise and his professionalism. I can you please tell us jeff. Thank you for being on with us. The level of surprise. At what happened with theo epstein and chicago. That's say the level of surprised actually last thirty seconds. What would be your guest passing. What would be your guests over under. Where would you put to get. Even betting on stu gods over or under what on stugatz sensual escapades. I would. i'm not a bookmaker. Mind you but i'm taking way under on thirty seven seconds. Oh wow i'm definitely below them and does align all right very good Hasn't were you. Were you surprised. Nah no This has been telegraphed for a while. Now in not just by the oh epstein telling friends and and other confidants that you know this is gonna be the end of the road here coming up. But he has always said and i think a bill walsh. Maybe is the one who who originally said this that. There's a shelf life on staying in a particular place. And and i think he i think he thinks it applies not just sports but pretty much everywhere. Once you reach ten years they potentially start getting stale. And maybe you don't have the passion that you wanted. Maybe the excitement of the job isn't there a and especially. I think that goes if you've accomplished the things that you've wanted to. And despite the fact that the cubs with this extremely talented roster that they had won only one championship went. Theo epstein was there. They want a championship and that was something that they hadn't done in the previous century. So i i think him. leaving was was not surprising and It's just a question at this point. Where's he going to end up and as much as that. When is he going to do it. Is he actually going to be the executive. Who says i'm gonna take a year off to spend some time with my family and do things that i want to do and not end up in another job. Two weeks out of the well. Do you think what's next form. Obscene is somebody who is always looking for a challenge and and there's no question right now that the challenge of the new york mess is a big one I just. I don't know maybe i'm naive in thinking that he actually is gonna step away for a year. Because i think when you're in a job like president of baseball operations there like general man you know whatever that type of job is when you're in it and you're someone who is devoting all of that time and energy. Sometimes you just got to recharge your batteries and obscene is not like this this baseball You know there's this crazy baseball person who needs to sleep in his office and and eats breathes and lives baseball. He's got other interests and you know he's interested in politics and he's interested in music and he's interested in his children and he. He's a well rounded person and getting away for a year may not be a bad thing for him i think he's also and he spoke spoke to this yesterday. I think he's also interested in how baseball is not fun. Sometimes and i don't mean that like bat flipping or excitement. No the game is just boring a lot of times these days and he took some culpability of that saying that you know guys of my ilk who have been running teams have been so focused on trying to squeeze every last bit of value out of players and out of situations that the game has. It's gotten out of balance there too many strikeouts. You know theo. Os was the guy Really the driving force early on Behind the three batter minimum. Because he thought what are we doing just shuttling in relievers in and out slows the pace down the gay just things right now sometimes and so i think if he can work with commissioners office if he can work with the players if he can be some kind of conduit between the two of them so that they can actually get something accomplished and fix baseball a little bit. then he'd be doing a lot better for the game that he would be inside of a front office. The best three baseball architects ever. According to jeff passan history's greatest team. Builders go head and from the bottom up. I wanna see where theo epstein landseer if he lands somewhere for jeff passan number three according to jeff passan is. Oh my goodness. I know number one is a very good all right past it and that's fine. Let's do a year way. say it is almost. We'll get you out of here. Who's the number one he really wanted. I mean that's all we had to here for but now you've just you made it dirty now. We have to go. We can't even around anymore. We can't do this nice slow and leisurely we gotta go straight to number one because you don't want You know this thing to be slow. Rhythmic at the. That's a great point. I appreciate you giving me the heads up. You were going to ask me a question that requires The thought i came in completely. It requires expertise. I filibustered ask the question a little longer than i would. So you'd have time to think about it. It requires your level of perspective and knowledge. I'm sorry jeff. Dan puts you in a really tough spot. Dan your top five college baseball programs beginning with number five five college baseball university of texas. Usc university of miami the maine black bears. Yes and Rice just as i always like. I like my carb. So what do you got past number. Three pass in the third best baseball executive architect ever is why is that. Why why is it branch. Rickey wine talk talkie check a very nice man. Nice month said thank you my wife. I'm sorry my wife is horrified upstairs right now and she heard me doing the elmo voice. It's just what oh later passing. Thank you sir adage. It's your apartment. Speaking and i need some favors. When you're singing in the shower. Just try going up the key. You're trying to be an alto when really you're a soprano and if you could bundle your renters and car insurance with geico. It's easy to do online and we could save money. And then when you read your murder mysteries at night could you read out loud but skip the murder parts. Because i get scared. Gyco bundling made easy go to geico dot com today down liberal card. I don't respect your opinion gods Getting angry these donlevatar show on. Espn radio espn. Radio is presented by progressive insurance news from the dan. Le batard show nation. Someone is hit us up on the dr pepper twitter feed at underscore the swindler on twitter. Says i see why dan did that. Insanely boring segment. He will never get off that hill. He has died on. Say with me. Dan josh allen is good have an already said that i i already said he's about having these little creative clever ways to point out that maybe he's not as good as we think he is. That's all i was doing a segment about a turnover worthy plays and the measurements. And if we're going to make all of these. Theo epstein's these leaders who can build cultures wherever they go because they're better at evaluating the possibilities of the future for athletes. If we're gonna do that with these guys then. I think we should know something as fans and customers about the metrics being used and the measurements being used. Like if if you have the ability to be a smarter fan than you've ever been before and that's where we are in twenty twenty. You could choose not to be that you can make fun of people who treat their sports that way. But it's always going to be interesting to me but to the guy's point on twitter if you did four quarterbacks if josh allen was fifth would you have done five quarter i honest to god on that one. I understand that you guys think that. I want to go after josh allen. Even though he's had some bad games here recently. And i haven't said anything about him. But i was more interested in the fact that carson wentz is six turnover worse than what i believe to be the most reckless quarterback in the sport. Okay billy's got some opinions here before we got Before we get to ricky williams. And i think he just. I don't know what his opinion is on your beard. I just know that he's had Had some observations about your beard. Stugotz is stopped. Caring a long time ago. He's got beards in his ear. I do Because he just. He just stopped caring about the way that he looks. This is a playoff appear by the way okay. I promised by lacrosse team. Their undefeated we have one tournament laughed and promised them not shave it until the season's over so with that said billy go ahead. I have been fawning over stugatz his beard the last two days. Now we see him every day on zoom. But it's not like an hd camera. I don't know how everyone else sees got. Riches looks like it's normal stubble right yesterday. He recorded something for me on his iphone and set me the video and i was blown away by how long his beard actually is. It doesn't look that long over zoom on this video that he sent me. It looks absolutely incredible. I don't know why he hasn't had his beard longer. It looks like he's tim allen transforming into the santa claus. But it's such a good look. It looks great. And when he saying playoff beard. That's what it is. Now it's girls cross amateur whatever fifteen year old playoff. It's it's a strange thing to be having a playoff beard for. It looks incredible. Thank you eliza. My wife hates it but everyone else in my in. My life loves it now. Perhaps i should be more concerned about what she thinks. That everyone else in my life. But i'm not while you're not doing anything in the way of grooming it right. You don't have any beard experience. You're basically just letting it grow. Unruly it is climbing very high. Where wolf theun up on your face because it's covered your cheeks like you're not shaping and sculpting that thing but the hair goes all the way up to like my eyes remember what time i had a cut under my eye from shaving because that's how high the hair gusts right under my i But my taught me a lesson about just trimming some of that stuff off the top of my cheeks and really at the bottom of my neck. You gave me that lesson and so i feel like it looks a little cleaner than it did. In weeks past perhaps but well. It looks like you've had a bit of a radioactive with with the way just how quickly it is. Charged your the colors charred quickly. i did not realize and correct me if i'm wrong. I know that he's been playing the mischievous You know eleven year old around here for a long time. But i did not realize that stu gods had that much world weariness in a built into his graying hair. Yeah he's aged a little bit during the pandemic. But i mean who hasn't right. This is what clooney's beard would look like right. Yes exactly Yeah many are saying this because when is your season over this weekend after this week and yeah okay no it is. It's a door. Don't believe me because there's going to be another lacrosse mitzvah here in three weeks. Nobody believes you and by the way during the break. I saw it happened. Stu gods has indeed started a negative test company. He he sell you a negative virus on a street. Corner ricky williams.

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Local Hour: Samson On Kim Ng & Theo Epstein

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Local Hour: Samson On Kim Ng & Theo Epstein

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Here on this week's episode back again back to back enjoy whenever. Dan makes the time to join us here on. The david samson show david historic weekend. Not just for the miami marlins but for the sport of baseball there has named his michael hill replacement. And it's coming the first the first female. Gm of a major league baseball club and professional sports franchise here in the united states. Your takeaway from kim yang being named gm. I've had the worst struggle this week because the people at cbs. Were insistent that i that i talk about this because of my past with the marlins and so i did. I spent a lot of time. Nothing personal talking about it. And i came super close to explaining what really happened but i haven't gone all the way. Well this is the place to do it Because i can imagine you're conundrum right. This is being universally applauded This entire move. But i thought of fairly immediately. Because you've sort of been boxton anything that you say that questions whether or not this is a power position. He's literally rolling up. His sleeves rolled his rolling up his sleeves on a paint dress shirt. Because he's ready to give away the goods So explain this to us because it's hard for you to be in a position where you don't sound embittered or whatever or ax to grind if you have anything that questions of decision. That's being universally applauded across baseball sports and really of sports everywhere. So let's talk about the macro point here. The marlins made a great pr higher. That's the bottom line. And i'm really happy for kim. If she knows what she got herself into. I'm which she doesn't. I'm really happy for baseball. Because they get to use the narrative that there's now women gm and for people in the regular worlds like the national tv shows and the clintons chelsea clinton and everybody else get to say. Oh my god progress. I just wanted. Please understand one thing. And i don't normally caveat on this show. This is not about me saying that women should not be in a position of power in baseball because they should. This is not me saying that. I'm upset that woman was hired. Because i'm not. I think it's great. It's me trying to explain to your listeners. Something that they're not gonna get anywhere else. And i don't give a shit i'm going to say it. The higher by derek jeter was straight i wash bottom line and i'm if kim knows going in that i'm okay but if she was somehow bamboozled into thinking that she's going to have the power to actually be a baseball decision maker for a major league baseball team. She's just not. That team is run by derek. Jeter and gary denver. Oh period hard stop. Kim is really good administratively and can't do it and jeeter can't do it and this is not being bitter. This is a fact. This is what my kill. Did they fire a black guy and they bring in a woman and that makes baseball happy. It makes bruce sherman happy because he needs things from baseball like revenue sharing in two thousand and twenty one. Going forward lots of it. So there's a lot of layers to this onion that no one's ever willing to discuss dan and mike and why not tell your listeners. The truth well. We're going to discuss it here because that is something that people aren't gonna hear else and i would say it's probably going to end up being controversial just because you're not hearing any one question or ask any hard questions about this. Now she is credential okay. She has the resume to merit that position. But when you say it's eyewash And when you say if she knows what she has gotten herself into your uniquely qualified to know not just because you've worked in that job But my kill. What is a close friend of yours. So you know the job he just got out of so explain to us what she's gotten into. So if you have if your general manager several types of general managers out there these in baseball you know. There's president of baseball operations and general managers. Theo epstein is an example with the president of baseball operations. Jed hauer was his gm. And now theo's out jet has been promoted. What a president baseball operations does is lead scouting leads player. Development leads pro scouting leads international and leads. The major league team works closely with the owner informing the owner. Here's where a roster is. Here's what we're thinking about doing. In terms of call ups in terms of the draft in terms of where certain players are going to be at what level of the minor leagues here. The traits that were thinking to get to the payroll that you mr owner or mrs owner have given us on top of that. There's running the baseball business. That's a huge budget side of a company. That is the job of what you and everybody else says. Oh you're the gm that's what you do. But with the marlins that's not the case with the marlins gary denver oh is in charge of where every minor league player place. Gary dumbo is in charge of all of scouting all of pro scouting all of development and doesn't answer to the gm period. No matter what they tell you. Gary denver works directly with jeeter. What gary denver can't do is the business side of it. Which kim is incredibly qualified to do now. Kim was major league baseball for since two thousand eleven. Having her out of major league. Baseball central office is very good for baseball. Because what it means is that they have gotten a woman or any person of color comes into this category and when you are a woman or person of color in baseball there is a study. That's done for central baseball. That is a minority percentage workers. Study baseball is always looking to get better numbers because it's good. Pr they get to do. A press release. That says we've got forty percent women fifty percent people of color but they're also looking to cut expenses in. they're also looking to get people of color and women onto teams. Because that's the pr that you guys using the mainstream media you say look there's four black gm's there's two black head coaches or managers use those stats so getting came onto a team. Means they get to say there's another minority. Gm and that is a great pr. Even even though you're telling us she's not the gm she's going to be on. The business side table is gm so to the world. She's the gm that's why she's on good morning. America that's why she's getting all these interviews that and that's why baseball get to save my kale gets another job. Running one of these teams then. Baseball gets to say there's been an increase in the number of diverse candidates who are running teams because regular people who. Don't listen to the show of which there aren't many but regular people just look at the stats. That's given out in terms of the total number. Now please understand and you can edit this. Cut this however you want. This is not about kim. Kim has paid her dues. Kim has interviewed kamaz. Never been put in this position before. Of course she was going to take it because fifty years from now she goes down in history as the first woman. Gm but she happens to be working for particular team where she has no chance to actually be the defacto gm. So what was derek jeters pitch do you think was he transparent about what's going on there in the front office. According to david samson it took two seconds to make the pitch right. You go to kim and you and this is done in conjunction with major league baseball by the way. This is not something that derek jeter just. It fell from the sky. This was a totally calculated move. Which is what derek does. He's been doing calculated moves since he was a player in. This is not bitter this this. So if i'm derek's position i make the exact same higher. It is the perfect hire. I complimented him on nothing personal because it really is the perfect. Hire look at all the attention. The marlins are getting good attention. Rare rare good attention it say it again rare good. It is both rare and great is the perfect perfect hire. I just wanna make sure. And i've no way to know what kim was told. If kim spokesman my kill she she went eyes wide open. If kim spoke to anyone around baseball about how derek runs the marlins with gary than she went in eyes wide open. But if i'm kim. And i have the responsibility of all women that's been on my shoulders for the last twenty years. Of course i'm gonna take this job. Because i am able to then open the door. Hopefully for other women to be hired up the chain and grow into be gm's my geeta checkmated all of samson. Yeah he just checkmate him. Because there's no way no matter how logical it is no matter how fact-based what he's saying is it's going to be white. Executive criticizes higher is the only one to criticize higher. And you don't know just nine criticizing the higher explaining. I know. But what i'm telling you is what you know how these things work. David you call it. I watch like and you explained it with all the context that was necessary. And i know that you're informed on this and you tattered or qualifications and and you bent over backwards saying that. This is not about her. But you know how this stuff works. You know how this game works. I am. I'm not playing game. I'm trying to add value to your audience in on a platform that you're nice enough to give me every week in that. I'm nice enough to give you every week and just trying to inform the audience. This is great for women. There's no doubt about. It and kim is terrific by the way. Look how. She's handled all the pr she's done all the interviews but take a look at the things that she's doing she's she's playing that part which is exactly what the marlins wanted. It's what baseball needed. It's really good for baseball. And if you ask the commissioner and he doesn't lie to you he would say the album but david so it's so strange because your strategy your straddling the line with the facts that you're using on almost sounding like it's a token higher and your your the executive who formerly of the marlins mike. He's been checkmated here right. There's no the publicity of the move. There's no way to move around it. I think he's doing his best to explain. And i wanna jump off of that. You mentioned previously that. If she spoke to mike hill she'd go into this job with eyes wide open. While you explain in great detail. Mike hills possible frustration with the situation. Coming to an end with the. You've never really described what michael hill's absolute power was within the marlins you always mentioned. The jeeter wasn't whoever you would hire as a replacement because that was inevitable he wasn't really going to cede power would be increased power for derek. Jeter so what was the power dynamic with michael hill in that front office. So let's be clear on this. According to jeeter everything. Good that happened with the marlins was because of derek and gary and that may be true or false because there's no doubt they have moved a ton of money. There's no doubt that they have a great young pitching and they've got some position players who could end up great. They were over five hundred for the first time since two thousand nine. I spent the last three three more seven years of my career. Not being able to win eighty games and they won thirty-one games so whatever they do is currently working for the moment but according to derrick. It's all him. And not my kill. But i just happen to know differently. Which is off the transactions that were done were. Michael generated the ability to trade away money the way he did with stanton which by the way the greatest trading history the fact that he got stanton traded to the yankees will go down in history as franchise saving because of the money situation with the ownership but in terms of you are either jeeter's guy or you're not and jeeter did not ever ever embrace anyone or anything from the previous regime because he assumed they were all poisoned and they all didn't know what they were doing in this went on the business side and the baseball side so everybody felt they were outsiders. And so if you're not inside jeeter small tiny circle which is gary and caroline. Then you're simply not have. You're not in the room where it happens. I follow what you're saying. But i sort of wanna get down to brass tacks who has final say within that organization. Everything has to be run through derek. Jeter and what are brass tacks when we get down to brass tacks. Why are we getting down to the brass tacks. Because i've heard that expression before i have no idea why we'd be getting down to brass tacks but get down to him. I always picture them. Thumb tacks and i always picture that his painful. Why would you wanna get down onto brass tacks because it would hurt so i think it's a terrible expression. Actually final say though yes so finals. Say's jeeter endesa hard. Stop hard stop. And what can you tell us without betraying. Any confidence is about How frustrated my kill was about the power. Not really being real. When you've got a veto power above you. I think all gm's and presidents baseball ops that to a degree when you have an owner. I think that mike spin used to that because a lot of that happened with with the marlins as well under jeffrey. Jeffrey had people who he listened to. Far more. Than larry or mike or me. He had a group of people close to him Some who worked for the team. 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Can you help us understand when you talk about the stanton contract and you say it's the best Trade in the history of baseball. Explain to me what happens. Exactly if stanton can't be moved if that contract tampa removed. What are the ramifications. Let's just assume he's still on the team. Then he's at a payroll of thirty three million dollars. He's making thirty three thirty two million dollars and the team total payroll is sixty five or seventy and they have no chance to win thirty one hundred sixty games and by the way that's the threat. Michael used on giancarlo when he turned down the cardinals deal and the john steele equal giancarlo and said listen. You want to exercise your no trade clause which. I'm so regretful. Of giving the only one we ever gave an eighteen years. If you on a multi year deal if you don't accept the trade it's going to be you and twenty four first time minor league players making the minimum totally up to you but we're going to treat everyone you hang out with everyone and you're going to be sitting here as as a miserable because you have no chance. And that ruins the franchise because they just lose a lot because they lose a lot and they don't get what they have now which is in theory the beginning of momentum. Remember this next season. There's no more important season since. Two thousand twelve in marlins is the two thousand twenty one season because over one hundred and sixty two games if it turns out that twenty was just an asterisk an aberration because it was only sixty games. Then they're right back into the crap the way we used to be so tw- so this is critical. And if they still had stanton at thirty two million dollars they would have no chance to be winning all right so the etymology of brass tacks. There's a hardware store origin. That seems a little farfetched but like the ones from the old west. There's two so one possibility is there was a practice. In the nineteenth century were brass tacks were used to spell out the initials of the deceased on top of a coffin. I don't really understand how that context applies to use it but it seems pretty bad ass. Doesn't it dan and then there's another one because Brass could be easily polish and didn't russ that The practice of adorning ones gun stock with brass tacks. So when you get down to the brass tacks cleaning my god that was easy part but that was really the core of clean. I'm glad we got down to brass. That's really awesome when you think of someone like from the old west in movies. Who's the first person you think of right now. Sam elliott had. I think of kevin kline why that said wild wild west from one from the spider movie with wills man. That's why you have so little experience with westerns. That kevin kline from a terrible will smith spider vehicle. Mike's got a great story about that. Have you ever told sampson. The spider according to the The documentary the fan source documentary. That kevin smith was a part of that detailed the failed. Tim burton superman film. That would star. Nicolas gage as clark kent superman and it was a warner brothers. Movie executive would sign off on the film on and give it a massive but the budget required as long as there was a spider put in the movie. There was a big fight scene with the spider. You look at the canon of superman comics really isn't a spider villain to choose from so they would just create this villain to appease this hollywood exact that has a thing for spiders so that movie fails never gets off the ground. Wild wild west appears and there's a tentpole summer movie that needs a spider as a billion so can brana his villain. What did i forget ornaments or something. Whatever no i think. That's kevin clients either way the villain wild west while west has a giant mechanical spider. Even though that technology really doesn't seem to exist in the wild west. But that's why there's a confusing giant spider in that film. These these movie exempts man. They've got their weird proclivities David i think i've told you this. Before and one of the best books. I've ever read in terms of stunning me And i've got to find the title to the book because it's about how a couple of movie producers not built sony pictures out of many millions of dollars but the stories in there are unbelievable and one of them because movie executives in hollywood can be just super dopey. One of them involves man. I always get this confused whether it's a it's the sidekick of the owner of the golden state warriors who was also barbra streisand's and he became an executive producer in holly guber. I think that's the name. I read the book like twenty years ago. So forgive me for not having the details but Mike if you can find the title of that. I think the audience would like it to but one of the stories in that book that i'm just sitting there reading it with my mouth open. Was that guy gruber coming onto. Not the warriors owner though the whoever it is that the side kick was To these two producers visit hit and run I don't know all right. Forgive my. I mean dave. The title of the book is hit and run. How jon peterson peter. Guber took yes. Sony for ride in hollywood. That's it that's the book. Yes and in the book david one of the story. Paperback is david's. Going gonna want to read this book. For sure is interested in as he has in business. And hollywood. is you've got this guy this producer clown peter's coming onto the set of rainman And having seen some screenings and whatnot seeing portion of the movie and just like sorta clapping his hands and a great love. It love it entirely. But can we get the and then slurp for slow person to throw out the at the end of the movie The winning pitch at dodger stadium. Can we get know. Dustin hoffman's character at the end of the movie. Yes you're right. Yes that's correct. That's that's why you're gonna love the book david because of that stupid story things like that and there where you're like. How the hell. It's only give these guys money so obviously it didn't get in the movie by the way he didn't win. I just did a rainman seen on nothing personally yesterday. So it's pretty funny. You bring that up. Because i'm not sure you would have had time northern clinician nor the interest to take forty five minutes of your day. But i did. I recruited rainman seen with theo and trying to decide whether he wanted to spend a year playing in the sandbox with his children. And give up ten million dollars or run the mets and get an ownership piece under steve. Khan i appreciate the set of. Because i do want to ask you about the but i have one last question before we get there. What exactly is the nature of jeeter's contract. Because i think the end game here for derek. Jeter is always be a principal owner. What outs it does he have. He's not going to lose any money on this endeavor because he's he's an owner entitle really because he's he's paying himself salary which covers his investment in the franchise. What can you tell us about his future. With this franchise. This is year four coming up so he's got two years left on his deal. He is a five year. Deal to be the operator of the team and the question is will the board. Its own by by bruce sherman and then he's got a bunch of corners they have aboard. Are they satisfied with the direction of the team. Because the reason why jeter was in this position. Because bruce sherman simply just loved him literally genuflected at his general direction. Gave them a blank check. Do whatever you want didn't question. Anything wasn't involved nothing but the breast of the board when they get letters saying hey you gotta put more money in a. We gotta put more money in. Hey there's no naming rights. Hey there's no tv deal hey gotten. We're in trouble here The question is will they re signed jeeter and will he want to keep doing this job. It's not a particularly cushy job what jeeter does right. Running team is not all that fun. It's way more fun to own the team outright and then not have to come into the others run it have others do the bullshit the dirty stuff exactly so i just don't think i don't know if jeter's gonna wanna do it and by the way here's how the exit will go will not be that the board fires jeeter. It will not be the the pr of it will be very simple. Be jeeter looking at the camera insane. I want to spend more time with my family. I've got young kids. I wanna step aside but that narrative won't be true all right so i appreciate you getting that out of the way now. Let's talk about theo. Theo surprising to some not not to those that. Follow your good friend. Jeff passan Said this wasn't at all surprised the stepping down from his role with the chicago cubs. A lotta people. Sort of linking him to the mets Some people theorizing that he may actually indeed take a year off your spin. He's not gonna take a year off. I don't give up ten million dollars salary just because you're tired grumpy This was all planned all calculated. Theo epstein made a decision to leave the cubs that was completely premeditated. He's not going to leave ten million dollars on the table without a plan. And when steve cohen finished the transaction with the mets i. It became obvious that theo needed to get into the free agent. Game and ricketts family owner of the cubs were happy to get his salary off the books and bring up jed hoyer to do the job. No problem feo was happy to be a free agent quote unquote and whether he signs with the mets officially or not for this season so we can claim. I didn't lie. And i did take the year off. He will be intimately involved with. Wow so you're saying that ain't family. This is baseball and business. He saw that. There's a big. There's a out there who came in as a swing in dick and he's like i'm. I'm giving the good press conference and now all of a sudden. Theo saw that. And he's like i gotta get into free agency because if that guy's bidding with others. I'm going to get my salary up. It's cold it's not just salary. He wants ownership and then he wants to be after that commissioner like he's got a full plan in his life and he can't keep being with the cubs try worrying about hobby byas and kyle schwab already won the world series with the cubs. He could go to another team. Like the mets and have the trifecta and going to hall of fame as an executive mission. I hadn't heard that. Have you heard that mike no. I wanted to seize on mission. Finishes say he wants to be commissioner. Now one of the one of the rules is very simple. If you ever wanna be commissioner of baseball you do not let it be known to anybody that you have aspirations to be the commissioner baseball. You just don't do it. Well how. Because because i am excellent question mike good. That's right don't want anybody know. How does david samson now. There is no one who is on the inside of baseball who does not feel the same way except for the fact that no one talks about it publicly when you are around theo when you are around theo. It is just sort of one of those things. there's a bunch of executives in baseball who have said and have made it clear. The reason people sometimes do not survive baseball. Is that the commissioner says. Wow you wanna be commissioner seal. Later you're out of baseball. So if you take a look at executives who have left many of them have left because their path to commissionership has been snipped like a nine day old jewish young. Boy i would put Theo epstein as commissioner. Right now i would put i if i'm if i'm baseball. I don't know how that i don't know who would hire somebody to replace manfred or how that would work. But i would take him on as commissioner right now then. Would he do that though it pays. It would pay less than what he gets first of all pays less. That's funny powers. More and the powers and aphrodisiac in that position. But the fact is that if he could do a coup remember. How fay vincent used to be the commissioner of baseball. They've vincent got disappeared because the owners said. We don't want to be commissioner anymore. So they got together. Made bud ceiling the interim commissioner one of their owners so you can do a coup but you need twenty-three votes to do a cook. There are not twenty-three owners who had remove rob and install anybody. Forget theo anybody feels best. Chances to get an ownership piece. That's logical next. Step not to be commissioner. Become an a part owner of team get a world series with that team and then ten years from now. Start worrying about the next. It's interesting because you could absolutely see a path to it. It's harder to fire a an owner than it is a gm. The o- obscene is not one of these interchangeable parts that can just be replaced. And you're out of baseball. There's always going to be an owner. That wants to chase a title and it's going to bring in the best ever. Theo is rick pitino. Or larry brown is how he looked at within baseball. A mercenary i. That's that's a word that's it that's it. I that is such a pejorative connotation. I don't use that word for that. But that's what i think of. When i think of when i think of patino and larry brown I think of guys who are nomadic for a variety of different reasons. One of them can be impatient but their name. You hire if you want to immediately polish your stuff. So he's a pr mercenary. If you see. I would give the away more credit than that theo. Someone you hire when you want to win a world series and you promised your fans you're gonna win one within three to five years. But you know theo's not going to be there for five to ten years that fits exactly one major league baseball. The mets pay him. Do you imagine the meds. Because if he gives that press conference. I wonder if there's a direct correlation between feel watching that press conference and saying hey get my ass out of here like right now because i got an owner right here who would absolutely want to make the splash of hiring me for fifteen million dollars david. Now you're off dan. He knew this before. No one learned anything during the press. Conference of steve cohen. Except the fans. M- everyone knew. What steve steve. Cohen had made it clear throughout the process of buying the team that he was interested in a gm or president. Baseball ops like theo it was. This was not a secret within the industry by any stretch. Does theo press conferences. Saying oh my god. I've got the best. I like my way better. I like my way. I my way better resign right now. Look at the press conference. I'm resigning now. That's not how it actually works. In real life think he follows the jeeter template of have ownership percentage. But you'll pay me a salary that covers my investment. You better believe. It's that's interesting. Well let's say on the mets a little bit because robinson cano just got suspended for an entire season as a repeat offender violator of major league. Baseball's performance enhancing policy steve own fist-bump. Oh my god. Everyone's so happy with the mets organization. I'm doing a whole segment on today. She's nothing personal about this because it just. It's i want to do the dance. That was done and then talk about the statement that sandy alderson made which was such an absolute joke. Because the reality is they were thrilled robinson. Cano is so overpaid think about happy. Jere would be if way in chen had done steroids. That's the equivalent they save twenty four million dollars. It's not going to save it. So that's another mis misstatement statement. There's over twenty four. They get to reallocate the twenty four. That is the most important part of making the team better. I want to also ask you about the vaccine developments and major baseball's role in this. Everyone says it's going to go to first responders first and then essential workers Manfred obviously commissioners were on the call in the white house said look. I'm david betrayed skepticism. But i've never seen such profound skepticism on his face. He's not buying that one either. That's i had a eureka moment last night when watching adam. Silver get interviewed. Oh the league's are gonna get this i. I don't know about now. let let's not create yet early safe. I okay earlier that hey earlier than most before the sec before like i'm that's problematic. Pr crisis there. The league if the first person to get this is lebron james but if the first person is coming then we're good. God listen the power of sports as an economic driver in the us and as a way for our country to feel good is not to be underestimated. And the commissioners of the league's take that power out for a walk from time to time and what's what's going to happen here. It is critical for it's not it is critical for players to get vaccinated and their families and the support staff and anyone in contact with players. It's it's critical. It's critical for money reasons. It's not critical for humane and decent and moral reasons so dan. You're so smart you are. You imagine when decisions are made by a company for money reasons. What kind of company would ever do that. I know but the country isn't supposed to be company. I understand what's happened with corporate america and everything else in terms of running our government but the country is not supposed to be a company. I mean if it might play some some really nice music like from an from an ang lee movie like back mountain now royalty not royalty free music but you can do a lot of good with that money that they're gonna get from their network partners. Dan you do a lot of good. And the montage of how they brought america together at opening day is going to be amazing unbelievable. It's that crass. I guess it is that crash right if baseball is going to crawl to the finish line to get to its money. And it's mutated season. Then why not. Elevate the crassness to a place of i've got. I've got to make sure that people with money to make sure that hey gets his vaccine before. Grandma does into unbelievable. it's unbelievable. What's unbelievable to me. Is you acting like you've just had an epiphany. I'm like watching that. Press conference that theo epstein was watching that cohen gave unlike. I can't believe that the country is run like a company and then we're going to go out of our way to make sure that martin product gets vaccine before somebody else does now. he's retired. he's not really sure they're not gonna they're not gonna grandfather. They're not gonna give it to minor leaguers or people who have dedicated service just people who could play shortstop right now. Nick nick marquette's gets it before. North dakota apparently david. Let's get to your review this week every week. You do a review for us here on the local hour. Make sure to support david with his podcast. It's good podcast. Nothing personal what is on deck for this week. Hold on a second. So miguel. rojo's is going to get the vaccine before away. I the game. Now your that's why we're we're gonna keep trying to pull random names you can't you can't do it that way because it's not just don't by the way we have created an editor's dream during the show because you could screw me so hard but keep in mind. I'm entering into free agency here. So i'd ask you not to because i did not say that baseball players specifically are going to be only wants to get vaccines. That's what you're now. You say that you didn't say that but this is what's funny about. What just happened during this. Nothing personal and they're all great. I'm sorry not. It's nothing personal two point. Oh because what we're doing around here with david sampson. The information every time is is your mouth hangs open in terms of how good what we're talking about is and i want to get into this other stuff but you're actually relaxed around this. The earlier thirty minutes of this is as careful as i've ever heard you speak publicly like you. Were being cautious around a couple of the things but this is the one that's gonna get you in trouble. The one that you're laughing as as america gets sick well because there's going to be a headline fernando rodney gets vaccine before grandma now. He's a free agent. He estimates you're not going to get the vaccine if you're valuable free you. Just the main minor leaguers valuable are going to get it. that's because they're soci- with the team. Okay so matt joyce is gonna get it. Meant choice is going to have seen. Wait a minute on voice off the show is he just come up with match. He also because they're funny. That's the game me and microphoning. I'm presently upset. Kevin kouzmin off hasn't played in six years which was playing funny. Names the idea of being sick and needing the vaccine. And you look up. And it's prince fielder because he's still on contract with the brewers even though he doesn't played in three years but he's actually prince it's okay because he's having an it might be dangerous present. I gotta be honest. I haven't heard a word any of you to have said for the last three minutes. I'm just looking up random baseball names. There's so many there's so many my god you guys are funny. That's going to be good by the way it's nba two and nfl. Might i add so you can come up with a million. Nba players. john con cac. We'll have access will not. He's been retired for twenty years. Although that is also funny david. The the whole birth of this show. I would say mike. This is accurate is playing this game like just fooling around just trying to top each other with this particular game. It is the first seeds of this. Show let's review your movie here. Because i've got a million steroid questions i want to ask you. But we'll do that next week. Yeah we gotta talk about what happened with canal. I mean it's i just can't imagine how much interesting stuff you have there but mike. We don't have time. I was actually texan with with dan. We discuss him coming in. And i've had as my ripcord for several months. a wanna talk about the congressional hearings. The belco scandal with david samson is perspective as someone in baseball would have been fantastic but it keeps being a fascinating interview and i have many the follow with david. That's what happened here so next week. Just put steroids in the calendar. Because you never know there could be a second female. Gm and major league baseball then review your movie so we could get out of here. I just wanna tell people to watch his show. I touched on on yesterday's show on nothing personal. But i wanna repeated. It's a tv show. I've found called friends from college or red savage with key and with cobie smulders us. Who is the the beautiful woman from avengers. It is a very difficult show to watch because it is funny like out loud funny and it is tragic and sad not in terms of people getting run over by a car and all of a sudden died in a plane crash. It is what happens to a group of college friends when they some of them get married. Some of them are having affairs. Some of them know about it. Some of them don't know about it. And what can creep in to a very close units and it is written beautifully bali. It is a really great show and it does not get enough attention either. It's not one of those shows. That gets buzz. But it's it's an interesting watch for all the reasons david mentioned yes so i finished season one. The first four episodes of season two and season two gets quite a bit darker but not in terms of a sudden. Someone gets run over by car. In terms of the fallout when people discover what had been going on in their lives. It is very interesting. I still haven't figured out why it only had two seasons. It is sometimes hard to watch fred savage because for me. He's the wonder years for me he's princess bride but he's really good in this and i don't know that he made it as an adult actor. Although i guess by being in the show he actually has so if you have time friends from college. it's a thirty minute episodes. Eight per season. Well worth your time our library of stuff around here that is meant as a menu item. You should check out south beach sessions with mike. Sure on the subject of netflix's because david was just confused by why it is that there were only two seasons of that and netflix's doing some stuff with how they pour money into things where they are just trying to see what a demo is. It's not really for the value of the artistic content. Ozark is about to end here after a couple of seasons has been wildly successful popular shows. Leave netflix's because they get all the information that they need about the demographics of the show. According to mike sure Who's a big Hollywood showrunner ozark was canceled. Well it's got two seasons left but they're done with it. They've announced that they're done with it. And when i say two seasons it's actually going to be one season two seasons long but yes ozark was cancelled and that happens. A good amount with netflix. Popular shows also prefer this sort of way. Remember in the past. If there was a show that was popular would hang around for twenty years. I mean grey's anatomy is still going on and extra has coming back because they got the ending wrong. Yeah i mean. Sons of anarchy is another show. That was really good early on but then it was popular and just hung on a little too long. I like going into a series. Say this is really going to be two or three seasons max or even like miniseries to tell out onto the next project. I'm both happy and sad to hear. That sound works. Because if i knew in advance like with shits creek it's six seasons and ended on top and friends from college may do the same. I'm not upset with net flicks. I just wonder if they're not interested. What you said that bothered me is. They're not interested in the artistic quality of the show. They're interested in the information. They gleaned from david now now. Who's the naive one david. I'm naive because the country's company oh hollywood's not in it for the creativity. They're a business. It's not the fantasy world you shouldn't be speaking a member of the mafia. We should make one correction. They prefer the shows to be good because they like going to the parties and the awards the awards like words that. Get them into the party. Trashy hollywood baby. I'm despondent. that piffle sock. That's why i don't want to invest or be a part of making. Because i love them so much i don't wanna know that they're filmed out of order. I don't want to know that they're not real. And now you're telling me that netflix. A great content provider doesn't care about the content. It provides a level playing field because you take great joy in sucking out all of the the whimsical sports fan. That's what he does he is. That should be on your business. Cards whimsical fantasy destroyer. David samson you you danced around three pockets of land mines in this in this conversation.

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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 365: Theo Epstein Steps Down, Mike Clevinger Injury

GSMC Baseball Podcast

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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 365: Theo Epstein Steps Down, Mike Clevinger Injury

"Golden state concepts in baseball podcasts. We cover everything major league from spring trees through the world series. Got your favorite club. Cover from new york to boston to la. This is the golden state media concepts baseball. Podcast mr hello and welcome in new another edition of the gsm. See podcast brought to you by the g. m. c. podcast network. I'm your host kevin mahalick. It's thursday november nineteenth. I appreciate you guys listening in. We are officially one week away from the thanksgiving holiday. Hopefully everybody out. There is getting ready. Got their ingredients their recipes ready to go there cooking books. Whatever it is but hopefully everybody stay in safe and has plans to do so. I know things are getting crazy. Here in the northeast corona virus regulations or recommendations are popping up all over the place since we've now had an increase in cases and the kids are now back to learning. Virtually no longer in school. Daycares are still open. It's crazy here. And i know wherever you're listening. Things continue to evolve thinks continued to change almost on a day to day basis so with the holiday coming up. Please do your best to stay safe. Stay healthy while still getting together and enjoying yourselves and being thankful for everything that we have here in twenty twenty even though it's been a tough year. I'm sure there's still a lot for you. And i to be thankful for out there so we got a great show lined up for you here today right at the top. We're gonna talk theo epstein the chicago cubs. What does this mean moving forward well then transition into some recent surgeries that some big name guys have received here in the past week. Cody bellinger mike. Clemenger both going under the knife. What's that mean for. Twenty twenty one. Does this change any of our expectations predictions. What's the deal with that. And then we'll kind of wrap up today's episode getting into franscisco lindores trade conversation. I'll give you guys my my thoughts on where he's going to end up and possibly for what and then we'll touch on free agent chatter here in the fourth and final segment. So come on in with us here. We're gonna jump right in now once again. Thanks for listening to the mcc baseball. Podcast but theo epstein steps down as president of baseball operations for the cubbies he was there for the last nine seasons. He had one year remaining on his contract but decided this winter would be the ideal time to step down and a lot of people throughout baseball. And i myself. I talked to you guys about it on previous podcasts. That this offseason certainly made sense. In the timing of the franchise the team and just the direction that everything is headed so first off shoutout to theo epstein and amazing career in chicago over the course nine years. They made three national league championship series appearances. They have the one world series title and twenty sixteen. This of course ended a one hundred plus year drought and epstein coming over from the red sox where he ended that eighty six year drought. So epstein certainly issue in for hall of fame ending two of the three longest droughts in world series history. In a matter of i don't know twelve years is pretty insane to certainly think about. But what do i mean in regards to that. This offseason the timing for theo to step down just made sense compared to next year. Well this is because the cubbies have a ton of roster decisions to make both this off season and next off season and theo alluded to this in his press conference when he was talking about. What's next why the timing is right now. In the long short of it is john. Lester is a free agent. Kris bryant has one year left. Havi air bias. Has one year left. Anthony rizzo kyle schwarzer. They are all going to be free agents after the twenty twenty one season in all entering the final season of arbitration eligibility. So with this being said and all of these guys making really good on there's going to have to be decisions made on the future of these players and you would certainly look to start that rebuild process or that long term extension process this offseason compared to next offseason when each person would be testing free agency. And because of this basically. Theo is doing right by the cubbies. And saying hey. I'm not going to extend hobby air. By as you know. Four years eighty million dollars and then walk out the door in six months and say hey hopefully plays well or i'm not going to be negotiating because i'll just give him what he wants and i'm not going to be here to deal with the fallout or the repercussions. So you certainly have to respect theo. And his outlook and kind of understanding of business practice in what is best for the organization. So who is going to be making these decisions though. Who's taken over for. Theo epstein and that is a gentleman by the name of jed hoyer who is currently the general manager of the chicago cup. So he will be promoted to the president of baseball operations title. But jed has been with theo epstein for seventeen out of the last nineteen seasons. There were two years. The with jed was actually in san diego between the time of the red sox and the cubbies for theo. But for a guy to learn under theo epstein for seventeen at an eighteen years. When at least three world series championships. There can't be a better guy to take over and run your ball club. But again jed hoyer is going to be making the decisions on these guys and not theo epstein. Because theo's essentially going to step away. So what is next for theo epstein. Of course here myself you guys know. I'm in the greater philadelphia area. So everybody is going absolutely bananas trying to get the hill epstein in here as our president of baseball operations i mean twitter is full of blank check. Give him ownership. Give him whatever he wants to get him here in philadelphia. And personally i would love theo epstein to be the president of baseball ops for the phillies. I think it's a fantastic higher. If they're able to get him here. Like i mentioned the sixers recently having success now the phillies if they're able to bring in a name like theo epstein and the local sports market would just explode with enthusiasm. But here's the problem with connecting those dots and theo epstein sent out a letter a memo and email. Whatever you wanna call it To kind of friends and compadres within the baseball world and along short of it basically said that You know he will not be working in a ballpark this summer for the first time in thirty years so mentally right now. He's ready to count at checkout ready to recharge and take a break now. It doesn't say that. Hey i'm done i'm retiring. I'm riding into the sunset. I mean the guy is an even fifty years old so he certainly understands that this is it for the rest of his career but he just doesn't know what's next and his communication through the media and something that i found fascinating was just self awareness and self reflection where he stated basically what let me see. I wanna make sure. I get the quote right for you. He spoke about how he has best at building transforming and then shrimping and not so much at maintaining excellence or maintaining greatness. So again he's able to look in the mirror and kind of look at saying. Hey i like a rebuilding project. Starting something from the ground up more so than possibly coming into a l. a. dodgers or new york yankees where the machine just kind of churns and you're not trying to take it off the tracks. You're just trying to keep it going as quickly as possible. As opposed to the two potential opportunities that we have right now which are the philadelphia phillies and the new york mets. So the fact that the mets and the phillies where they are currently in their process of rebuilding not only with the team on the field but the minor league organizations the minor league depth the prospects that draft prospects how much they use analytics compared to old school scouting where everybody falls on that pendulum. There's a lot to be recreated here with the phillies and mets so. I don't think theo epstein is going to jump into something next week. Of course reports are in philadelphia that they are going to reach out to him. They are going to see if he is interested in. If i'm theo epstein. I'm having a conversation. So that's where i think. Fans out there of the mets of the phillies. If you see over the next week to two weeks that. Theo is taken a meeting. And he's talking with ownership. Don't immediately assume that a contract is going to be had and a decision will be made. Because i do think he is set and taking a summer off. I know you've seen it with coaches in the past. You've seen it with front. Ocoee front office executives they just need to recharge kinda get away and you know you don't think about it right now but still in the middle of a pandemic here so for a gentleman and his family to completely uproots move location kind of tried to establish life in any sort of normalcy. Just adds to the issues right now. I mean we see it in football free agents. Yes that's not a problem because again. That's only for a few weeks a month through the end of the year. This would obviously be a five seven nine year commitment type of move and again. Are you really going to have theo be like. Hey guys were moving to philadelphia right now when the kids can't be in school or anything like that so it'll be fascinating to kind of see how the health and safety affects potentially any move going forward but the phillies there in need of direction. They really don't you know within the entire organization. They've recently transitioned from old school to new school. But how far they flip going back and forth. And then the new york. Mets steve cohen of course new ownership willing to spend top dollar looking at top prospects. This theo go into the city of new york and try to compete with the yankees in that market and that media group in that fan base with his new money that would be available to him or does he go to the phillies. I don't see any of those happening this summer. What i think could happen this summer is he would get some sort of you know opportunity within the league office where he wouldn't have to go in every day he wouldn't have to be pressed and just kind of an adviser type of person who would be involved with labor negotiations and the talks. That will be taking place between now and the start of the twenty twenty one season. I think theo could be a great. You know m- mediators probably the word to use their middleman that type of thing. So that's another potential option for him. And then lastly something that. I've read or looked at here that you know the more i thought about is something that i think is going to happen and this is where i'm putting my money. It's probably a long shot right now. But i think the team's going to get involved in an expansion team. I think major league baseball with the corona virus with the economic losses of the pandemic is going to look to expand as soon as possible once a vaccine in any sort of normalization resets itself. And i think the team basically leading the expansion team fits directly into his conversation about building transforming and triumphing it also basically gives him no floor or no. Hey if you fail your failure type of thing and its expansion team. I mean if they do anything but fail. That's what people have expected so potentially team moving forward in the city of nashville is where rumors are starting to happen out west portland and discussions there as well so i think location have a big to do. But we've heard dave dombrowski could be involved in an expansion team and david. Theo know each other well. So i think that there is an outside shot in more there than meets the eye as theo potentially going to an expansion team moving forward. But jed hoyer like. We said he's got this to make with the chicago cubbies. This is why. Theo step down at this time john lester currently a free agent and then the some of brian by warrior all in the last year of arbitration all will be free agents after twenty twenty one and then communication around the league is saying that you darvish and kyle hendricks could be available via trade as well so they are in full blown. Repoed and the question is how many of those five guys are back. Next year and i do think john lester return cy. I think he gets two year deal. You know maybe twenty five thirty million dollars ten to fifteen a year. He's on the back nine of his career. And i think he takes a paycheck with the team that he's been with just to continue marching forward. You then have kris bryant to man. He's one that i would look to get rid of. But you're going to be selling so low on his price based on his performance in twenty twenty and his past performances that the conversation becomes was it just a down year and he's going to bounce back or is this the new trajectory in the new outlook for kris bryant moving forward so if he bounces back as anywhere near the mvp that he was in the past. What you're gonna get form on. The trade market isn't going to be worth that sort of value. But if this six hundred is what you're looking at moving forward you got to move on from this guy here sooner than later. The next one is obviously by as. I don't think there's a ton of chances that he moves this off season with the free agent market simmons gregorious simeon a couple of other guys available. And then of course the big fish francisco. Lynn door on the trade market and rumored not to be back in cleveland next year. Which will touch on here in future segments but with that many available options in free agency and on the market. I don't think by as would get you any value. Returning anthony. Rizzo you just picked up his option. So i think he will be back and then it comes down to Schwartzberg out in the outfield. Who i believe is the piece to move on from if you can. But there are options available out there. Jack petersen a couple other free agents that are very similar style of players so again. I don't think the value for warburg will be extremely high but i don't think you can bring everybody back out of the seven names. I mentioned i think you gotta make some sort of a move kyle. Schwarzer to me is the easy one to move on from next on the list be kris bryant and then really i think rizzo and buy as we'll be back no matter what in twenty twenty one but those are decisions. Those are trades that will be made by jed hoyer moving forward and not three ot epstein has once again. He has decided to step down here. As president of baseball operations for the cubbies so phillies fans want him. Mets fans want him. But i think he ends up in the league office and then possibly with an expansion team in a year or two once. We get on the other side of this. So hopefully it's affiliates. Give him ownership stake. Give him anything he wants. That's me as a fan talking. But i just don't think it's going to happen here. So that'll wrap things up for the first segments of the mc baseball podcast brought to you by the gs. Podcast network will pause now for a word from one of our sponsors and one of our sister shows but when we come back we'll get into some injury conversation colliding journ bellinger recently having surgery. Let's talk about it. We'll be right back. This is your ultimate staffer. Everything sports the golden state media concepts boards podcast. Should i say more from the nfl. Melby the nba to mma. It's all in here. Golden state media concept's sports podcast. Listen this back to today's episode of the gps mcc baseball podcast brought to you by the gsm. See podcast network. I'm your host kevin mullick. It's thursday november nineteenth. If you guys haven't done so yet please. Check us out on social media head to facebook. Instagram twitter check both the mc baseball podcast as well as the emcee podcast network. That goes a long way to helping us. Continue to grow. Continue to expand and bring you guys quality content day in and day out as well as rate and review the podcast. Wherever you're listening to this we really appreciate it but jumping back in here diving right into segment number two. We're talking about the recent injuries that have taken place across major league baseball. A couple of big names have undergone surgery recently and the first one to discuss of course is mike clubbing. Jer of the san diego padres and it was announced on the same day. That clemenger agreed to a two year. Eleven and a half million dollar contract with the san diego padres and with that same announcement. They announced that he would miss the entire twenty twenty one season due to tommy john surgery. And let's see clemenger made four point one million dollars this past year or would have of course it was pro rated over the course of sixty games but he had two years of arbitration remaining. And that's basically what the padres bought out for a total of eleven and a half million. Which i think is kind of right on points with where he would have been this past year this upcoming year he would been probably around that six or seven mark and then the following season right around the same due to missing the year with an injury so Maybe they got a couple of million dollar discount on clubbing jerry. But overall if you're mike you're not upset with eleven and a half million dollars. Come in your way over the next two seasons and they were able to set up his contract that he'll make about three to four million dollars next year and the following season make that seven to eight million dollars with a couple of escalators based on number of starts so this could very easily become a two year. Twelve million dollar agreement with clubbing during the padres but This is the second time that climbing is going to be going under for. Tommy john surgery. He missed all of twenty twelve back when he was in the minor leagues with this injury. So the second time it's happening for this individual that's never a good sign but honestly as we get further out and these are becoming more and more common. We are learning that. There is a bit of a shelf life when it comes to tommy john surgery and competitive innings and remaining in baseball. If you know you get it on the tail end of your career like verlander or some of those those other guys when you get into retirement. Obviously everything is fine. But if you're continuing to pitch at a high level We're looking at Seven ten twelve fifteen years with these surgeries before they have to go in there again. So hopefully everything goes well for my clubbing. Jer- i'm going to miss watching him. Pitch and twenty twenty one. The guy is full of energy out there. He's a ton of fun to watch but unfortunately for padres fans they're going to be looking in a different direction for the top of their rotation next year. You know that parlays into kind of the follow up conversation is you know. Where do the padres go from here. Of course they made those deals at the deadline to try to make a push not only this past year but in the next couple of seasons but now with the loss of clubbing jury. You know has a hole at the top of their rotation and you know yes they will have the nelson lament zach davies. Chris paddock as the one. Two three heading into twenty twenty one and they do have a number of young arms within the organization already They could look to start. Mackenzie gore although he could use some seasoning potentially in the minor leagues. You have ryan. Weather's joey lou. Chessy adrian morgan Of a couple other internal candidates that could potentially fill this role. But of course glenn scherr was looked at us. Potentially being the ace being the number one or number two at the top of this rotation. And if you're gonna fill that with a weather's or a gore the drop their from a number one to a number five is certainly something that you were not anticipating as a padres fan. So where does that leave you heading into free agency. Of course the top arm on the market is trevor. Bauer and i don't think with his price range and with the future outlook of the padres. That's an avenue that they're going to be involved in. I mean we've all heard the names for trevor bauer. We'll get into that in our fourth and final segment a little bit more when we touch on free agency. But i don't see the padres being in the bauer sweepstakes so the next tier that you're looking at is kind of that more reasonably priced here such as tajon walker or jayco or even a mike minor potentially coming off a down year looking at that free agency pool at the top of the list. You know i could see them being in on the walker sweepstakes potentially onoda rizzi. I don't think they're going to go long. Term once again with any of these contracts to tie themselves into anything but with that being said when you look at the payroll for twenty twenty. If it was a regular season the opening day payroll was one hundred and fifty one million for the padres and as of right now for twenty twenty one. They currently have one hundred thirty. Three million portrayed to everybody on the team so they have eighteen million less tied up in contracts this year as opposed to last year and of course quite a bit of room until the luxury tax kicks in so they do have money if they are looking to spend it and if that's the avenue they looked to go. The potential other solution could be the trade market. I mean you're looking at Names that we've discussed such as lance lynn from the rangers or a trevor williams joe. Musk grove from the heart from the pirates. Excuse me potentially blake. Snell is out there or collars carrasco for the indian so the starting market there are people available but having just given up assets to bring in mike clemenger and a few other individuals at the trade deadline you know how many prospects with the padres be willing to give up to kind of fill that hole. It almost becomes a two for one this year. We're making two different trades only for one pitcher on your return on investment and then you begin your full bang for your buck until the twenty twenty two season when of course climbing jers able to come back and at that point he would be one year away from free agency so he kinda begins to be looked at like a rental almost in that aspect so the padres are in a tough spot. I think they go middle tier free agency market. I don't anticipate them giving up additional aspect. That's or additional prospects in regards to a trade for a lance lynn. Or somebody along those lines. So i certainly see them in the Charlie morton sweepstakes the tajon walker and the jayco derision conversation to try to fill the hole left by mike. Clemenger but Cody bellinger was the other player to undergo surgery over the past couple of days in this one is different than clubbing jerry. Because this was cody. Bellinger's right shoulder and he actually separated it celebrating his game. Seven and lcs home run so he hit a home run rounded the bases came back and was celebrating with kiki hernandez and they went for the forearm bash. In apparently cody went a little too strong and his shoulder popped out of place so he underwent surgery over the past couple of days. He's looking at a week rehab. So we're looking at two to three months here. And of course that aligns with Spring training early word out of dodgers camp is that they anticipate him being ready to go when it comes to spring training so belly. Journalists is non throwing shoulder so that is a positive if you are a dodgers fan but the injuries certainly hindered bellinger's performance in the world series He was only three for twenty two with one home. Run and three. Rbi's he had four r. b. is in the divisional round. I believe it was five. Rb is in the nfl cbs. So you saw his performance dip in the world series and the injury to his shoulder was certainly a big explanation as to why that took place but no lingering concerns into twenty twenty one so this is a bit of a different conversation than the one we had about mike jer. I don't anticipate any subsequent or follow up moves in regards to reaction to this injury. I believe they just rehab him and try to get him healthy as possible to come back and be back to that. Mvp caliber that. He was a couple of years ago because overall twenty twenty was a bit of a down year. for cody. bellinger house so he will look to bounce back here very shortly. But cody bellinger's injury got me thinking and just a bit of an outside of the box couple of minutes here wrapping up segment number two. I wanted to look at other major league baseball players who have injured themselves celebrating because the first one that comes to mind obviously is within the nfl and martin gramatica showing my age years. A millennial in my thirties but gramatica celebrated a field goal for the cardinals. Back in the day jumped up and down celebrated and tore his acl when he landed and basically that ended all field goal celebrations or are big time celebrations in the nfl. So i thought to myself. Has this ever happened in baseball. Are we looking at any circumstances. Are instances where somebody is injured themselves. You know celebrating similarly to bellinger. And i was able to find five names over the past ten. Fifteen years are so in different circumstances that injured themselves. So i wrote down the list here and of course number one everybody remembers. I can't believe it was ten eleven years ago now at this point but starting out at number five we have ramon ramirez not a lot of people. Remember this name with the new york mets back. In the day he actually pulled a hamstring jumping out in celebrating from the dugout when johan santana threw the first no hitter in mets history. So this is actually a common theme here. It seems to be when pitchers throw a no hitter. Perfect game people jump out sprint out of the dugout and celebration and unfortunately ramon ramirez his manager even said he didn't even get to the dog pile he didn't even jump on the. It was before that when the hamstring popped in cost him a A couple of months in that unfortunate situation so similarly to that one. Let's see here chris. Congressman of the miami. Marlins back in the day injured his knee. He had to miss about a month because he was celebrating a walk off home. Run so another instance where he was coming out of the dugout celebrating with the guys at home plate got caught up in a bit of a tussle ultimately injured his knee to where he had to miss some time moving forward but these top three or are the ones that i remembered. Most those last couple of names not big names. So i didn't remember those instances but number three back in two thousand twelve. Aubrey huff injured his knee when he was celebrating matt canes perfect game so similarly to ramon ramirez huff coming out of the dugout at the end of the game trying to get to the mound mob matt cain and he twisted his knee goddess. Foot going over. The railing fell awkwardly and had to miss some time due to an injured knee and ultimately aubrey huff after. That was Really never the same player in kind of an unfortunate circumstance led to his knee injury. There number two this one man i i. I can't believe this one. This one's a really outside of the box. In two thousand and six on hell guthman injured derrek lee by giving him neck spasms after hitting him too hard in the head following a walk off home. Run and again. This takes me back to my football days. Where i remember a couple of times we had a running back through the whole he got hit. He had a bit of a concussion and it was a long run so our center came down to pick them up and smack him on the top of the head. You know nice runway to go not knowing. Of course that is was feeling a little funky at the time and didn't need to be padded so essentially same situation here derek lee. It's a walk off home run. He's rounding the bases from third heading home and he's getting mobbed by his teammates and this was back when people used to rough each other up i. I never really understood that fad of the walk off. It started as a celebration. And then it evolved into basically a beatdown of the guy who won the game. You know they'd rip is jersey. Punch him throw stuff. On and essentially this led to a neck spasm injured neck with derek liaison held guzman came out in too hard ultimately forcing him to miss some time. So the the most popular one the one that everybody remembers here. A number one on the list was in twenty ten when kendra rallies hit a walk off grand slam for the la angels rounding the bases. He came into home plate. Did the high jump came down with both feet and broke his leg up on landing on home plate so kendrick morales around juvenile and then the moment he lands hey just collapses down and is unable to walk miss the remainder of the season of course but a broken leg for kendra morale's so it's happened a handful of times out there where players have injured themselves celebrating now. None of these other five circumstances were in the postseason. This is the first time. I think on record. Where we've had somebody injure themselves in the playoffs via the celebration and like we said bellinger was able to remain for the world series but certainly did not perform up to the level of his satisfaction. So bellinger wrapping this up here. We'll be good to go for twenty twenty one. He'll be back for spring training so nothing to worry about for you dodgers fans out there but conversely the padres they take a big loss to the top of that rotation with the news of mike. Clever jer having to go under undergo. Tommy john surgery for the second time and Eight years here so it'll be interesting to see how the padres react. What they're move is now here in free agency. Or if they make a trade or even stand pat and go with some internal resources to fill that hole but That'll do it here for the second segments of the mc baseball podcast brought to you by gsm. 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He will not be back with the cleveland indians for twenty twenty one he is projected to land just about twenty one million dollars in the final year of arbitration before he hits the market and Basically cleveland's come out and said we don't wanna pay him twenty one million and we're not going to give him a long term extension so come at us with your best offers knowing that potentially this could be a rental situation similarly to mookie betts last offseason essentially are especially if linda doesn't end up in the market to which he is looking for. I know bets being in. La that's obviously market one one a and major league baseball so when you get traded there with the Finances and the resources they have. You're looking to sign long term. And that's something that. I think lynn door will be looking at as well here with potential destinations but We've heard upwards of ten teams. You know across baseball here in regards to reaching out within the industry. Who's here in what what's going on and nobody really knows i mean. Of course you hear the standard names. The big market teams yankees dodgers angels. mets phillies. Then you have some people like the the reds or the braves even the blue jays being mentioned as a possible destination for lindores. So i have about eight or nine teams here on run down potential deals. That could be offered furlan door. I know of course there are a ton of prospects one through thirty and based on what they're looking for what they need. Each team is going to have different offers but just aren't surface level ultimately what could potentially offered furlan door here moving forward. And we'll start out with the new york yankees. A huge name is available. You have to go right to new york. You have to go right to la and figure out if they have the resources can they get it done. Would they be willing to give it up. Just for a rental and honestly with the yankees. Of course they would get lynn door. But you're looking at potentially giving up an outfielder you know. The indians need somebody in the outfield to come in and play right away for them. So a lot of these deals are going to include a major league ready outfielder as well as a couple of prospects to kind of offset you know. Now as well as the future for cleveland so from new york side of things. You're probably looking at moving. Clint frazier and then heading into the prospects. Contraire as peraza a couple of other different options available out there as well. Miguel angie har- louis skill alberta. You are all names in the top prospect list that we've heard potential suitors. Albert bray is the yankees twelfth rated prospect Handed pitcher luis gil is their rated prospect. So you're probably looking at a couple of top fifteen prospects internally plus a major league ready contributor to start the conversation here with the cleveland indians so the yankees have the goods i. It's just a matter of ultimately who would make the move here. And if you're getting frazier or and you are two of the biggest shifts at the yankees. Have i think this is a conversation that ultimately could continue. If you're a yankees fan so next up. We have the la dodgers as a potential destination. And of course depending on what l. as willing to give up some people have them talking about joe i agree or edwin rio s- potentially catcher kia burt ruiz involved in the deal. You know and honestly. I don't know if that's going to get it. I think you're looking at somebody. Like dustin may at the top of that prospect list. Tony gosselin i think the in the ends are going to have to get somebody who can come in and contribute right away this year but obviously still be under a solid contractor arbitration. Because they're not gonna look to pay somebody top dollar when they're giving up lynn door for the same reason so i think you're looking at dustin may potentially cody thomas from the outfield prospects. Mad badie is a prospect. Greg in rio would be prospect. So it's just a matter of how high on that prospect list l. a. is looking to go and if the indians think that the likes of dustin may would be more of a return than an andrew hard and day Clint frazier from the new york. Yankees side of things. So how high is l. a. Willing to go because on the surface level of those two i think the yankees have a bit more depth than a few more candidates for the indians to kind of go through when it comes to the prospect pool and what the team would be willing to give up so the top two are obviously the the dodgers and the conversation. But then you get to kind of that next level you know. You're looking now in the in the northeast. Here with the new york. Mets philadelphia phillies. So both of these teams are potentially looking to make a big splash in free agency. Jt rio mutoko. George springer trevor bauer or linked to these squads moving forward so of course you have to throw francisco lynn door into that conversation and again. It's just a matter of what could potentially be offered. You know from new york mets perspective. I think you'd start with outfield first. Baseman dominic smith. Once again the indians looking for people ready to contribute right now. Dominic smith coming off a very nice twenty. Twenty season would come in and fit that mold right away. Then you get into the prospect mold potentially short stopera. I'm ed rosario. Relief pitcher franklin colom. You know you're also looking at a shortstop andrei him that's know and then you get into recent draft pick signing this past first rounder pete. Crowe armstrong top outfield highschool pick. He he slots in as the mets number five pick. So if you're going with armstrong you could probably keep dominic smith out of the trade concept or a a riley gill gilliam. Who's the twenty fifth best prospect as a relief pitcher. So you're gonna have to give up either. Dominic smith or jeff mcneil plus some top end talent and with armstrong. Being so far away from big-league contributions could potentially see a few other names involved in. When you get to that top prospect level you start to get into four five. Six player deals as opposed to a one for two or one for three type of deal. You get into that too for four style of action moving forward. But i let's see when you're looking at the philadelphia phillies. Philadelphia are clamoring for them to put together a nice offer for francisco lynn door shortstop is a position of need for the phillies pairing lynn door with bryce harper alongside the top end of the rotation with nola wheeler howard. And that's where the conversation starts right because our the phillies willing to include somebody like alec bomb or spencer howard in the conversation and alec bomb is a non starter. A no go. He's the third baseman first basement of the future for the phillies. But potentially right hander. Spencer howard who is the twenty eighth overall prospect in baseball and certainly the phillies number. One or number two would be of interest for cleveland and having recently traded clemenger. They traded bauer two years ago. They're certainly looking to add people into that. Rotation in that pitching staff moving forward but again the phillies really. Don't have any. you know. Big league level arm. So potentially you could throw in the likes of roman quinn out in centerfield somebody who could come in and play right away. Adam hastily recently atop a picture. The phillies has kind of shown himself to be a fourth outfielder. Needs more at bats so he could be an option for the indians. But i think they're looking at potentially a bomb howard or a bryson stott who was a recent first round pick for the phillies a shortstop at a unlv. He's a major league baseball as eighty two overall prospect so he's a top five phillies prospect for sure so few throw adam hastily. Bryson stott you know. Mix in a francisco morales or another relief pitcher. The conversation is there for the indians and phillies to start having some trade dialogue. It's just a matter of what price are the phillies no longer willing to pay out bomb in howard and at that point you're going to have to put in start early and another top prospect arm to even have the conversation. Continue to the point. Where i think deal could be made. So we have the The yankees dodgers the phillies and mets. I believe are the top four options. But now you're starting to look into that second tier and a name. We always hear or you know people in the market loved it. Here is the cincinnati reds. People are saying that lindores could stay in state probably wouldn't even have to trade or changes driver's license if that were the option so what could the reds give up in a potential deal. I mean again. Infielder outfielder nick sensible a recent first round pick. The indians would love somebody like that they also have right handed pitcher hunter green who they could potentially dangle and hundred green was a top five pick a few years back high-velocity right handed pitcher just have some control issues. Some health issues is he's looking to get going but again green number two overall. He's said tommy. John already in his big league career in sensors atop ten prospect. So those two right. There is where the conversation starts and those two would be better than anybody else. I've read in regards to prospect combination so central. I would have to go if you could potentially get hundred green if you're not willing to give up hundred green if you're the reds you're looking at shortstop jose garcia to fill the shortstop void. He's six rated prospect for the reds or outfielder austin hendrick. Who's atop prospect on major league baseball's pool and it could get interesting from there so if the reds throw in hunter green i think that could make them the team to beat along with the nixon. So it's just a matter of if they'd be willing to put in all of that prospect and if that's what they're looking for here moving forward that would be certainly very very interesting so another team we're hearing is the la angels. The team out in la could put together an offer this one. I'm not sure as of the the level of everybody else we've discussed you know. They don't really have the depth in the prospect pool. But they're certainly looking to go for it here so i believe they could be an option. I mean brandon marsh jeremiah jackson at the top of the list followed by pitchers garrett stallings as an option for them to fill out that bullpen. There and cleveland so the angels. I don't think have the immunization to be able to hang with the big boys here when it comes to potential offers and then a few outside candidates three of them here that i've heard but haven't really looked into exactly what they'd have to give up but The blue jays suitor looking to get that super infield there with the other prospects shet vlad junior and everybody so they'd have to give up l. out in the outfield once again. And then you're looking at Alejandro kirk behind the dish. Their number six rated prospect. Kevin smith potentially up for a deal. But i don't think that would be enough to sway the indians to trade him just across the river there and keep him in state. Another team is the st louis cardinals. The cardinals are certainly going to be in on the conversation They would have to give up. Let's see tommy edman. Infielder outfielder big level harrison batter. And then you get to their their prospects johanna daviel potentially on hell run down but men that would certainly be a tough sell and the last team here. I've seen on the list. But i don't anticipate any true. Conversation is the atlanta braves. Potentially trying to make a move to get over the hump the team. That's won the nfl. The last three five and looking into the future the next three to five years staring at the dodgers and padres look into at another superstar to the mix to potentially again get over that hump and win the national league up. The yankees. dodgers of course are going to be in the conversation until until indoor is dealt. But i do like the mets phillies. I believe they have the most ambition to possibly get a deal done. But i do see the cincinnati reds as having the most ammunition and the most willingness to part with their prospects in potentially getting a deal so i would look at the reds is getting value out there on the gambling market for the trade market but ultimately i think that the new york mets should be the leader in the clubhouse. Everything that steve cohen has been communicating. Everything that he's been saying is that he's going to spend money. He's going to be pushing the envelope and in an off season where everybody's looking at economic pushback trying to cut pennies wherever they can to have an owner come in and essentially say the opposite. You know. hey we're going to spend we're going to go for it. I love this team. I love this city. You have to put them in the driver's seat for any of these big time. 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Podcasts listen thanks again for listening and welcome back to the fourth and final segments of the mcc baseball podcast brought to you by the mc podcast network. We've had a great show for you today. Started out talking about theo epstein. What's next for him. After his decision to step down from the chicago cubs president of baseball operations. He had a salad nine year. Run with chicago three trips to the nfc s in of course ending that drought in two thousand sixteen. So jed hoyer takes over for him. He'll have some big decisions to make chris bryan. Baya's anthony rizzo and schwab all up here for arbitration slash free agency in a year. What do they do with those guys. And then what's next for theo. Who knows i think he ends up in the league office and then with an expansion team in the next couple of years thinking outside the box but within talked about mike. Clubbing cody bellinger. The latest on their injury and surgery with levinger having to undergo. Tommy john and missed the twenty twenty one season and then just last segment. I talked to you guys about potential trade candidates for francisco. Lynn door what the teams would have to give up and ultimately where they end up and that brings us here to the fourth and final segments. Where we're talking about free agency. A couple of guys have signed not too many out there and none of the big fish. But i did want to keep you guys updated on everything that's going on and it looks like there have been about ten players who have signed contracts for the twenty twenty one season already starting out with kevin gaas men and marcus stroman who accepted their one year. Eighteen point nine million dollar qualifying offer like we talked about last episode. So those guys are locked in here but a handful of others have signed. The mariners resigned starting pitcher kendall grave men for a one year. One point two five million dollar deal so he'll be back with the mariners next year as well. Josh harrison resigned as a second baseman with the nationals. He signed on a one year. One million dollar deal harrison was with the phillies in previous years has now latched on. What the nationals. And is looking to get one more year in washington moving forward. You have jose peraza who side a minor league deal with the mets. After his time in boston robbie ray signed a deal to return to the blue jays. After he was traded to toronto he signed a one year. Eight million dollar deal. So he'll be back in toronto next year and their rotation malik smith. He signed a minor league deal with the new york. Mets speedy centerfielder. Recently of the seattle mariners will now be with the mets next season on a minor league. Deal and we'll look to make that team and then the last couple of signings. The atlanta braves resigned. Josh tomlin a relief pitcher to a one year one million dollar deal and then they were busy. Adding a veteran to the rotation with cole hamels no longer under contract and he battled a bunch of injuries. Last year they left handed veteran in the rotation. Well atlanta clearly thought that they needed that same type of ingredient. They went out inside drew smiley. Formerly of the san francisco giants he was with the philadelphia phillies the year prior to that. But he signed a one year eleven million dollar deal with the atlanta braves and this This surprise me this number of eleven million dollars because everything we've heard from the market. Is that the top end. Talent is going to get their money but that second tier mid level low level. Free agent isn't going to see the dollars that they have seen in the past. Well i would've put through smiley firmly in that category. I would have put him as somebody get in two three four million dollars as a fill into the rotation after the rest of free agency kinda filters itself out and man eleven million dollars. I know it's one year in atlanta. They really want that left. Handed veteran pitcher in the rotation to help out with these kids. But fifteen years for coal or fifteen million for one year cole. Hamels last year and now drew smiley for one year. I just think that is a stretch for atlanta. Now it's a one year contract so no harm no foul. They're not tied into anything in the future. But again eleven million drew smiley if you're currently sitting on the free agent market as a player you're certainly us in that contract as leverage for yourself in what you're looking for here in the market moving forward and let's talk about the top free agents now wrapping things up here of the final ten minutes or so. There's a lot of mid level to your free agents. And i don't want to canada project or predict what they would get because based off like i said drew smiley. I'm going to be way off on those types of predictions or conversation. So let's jump into kind of like the top ten guys here going down the list in any order really. I mean you guys know the top five or so out there and then after that you know it certainly up for debate or conversation into which direction you're looking to go but The top guy on the list. We'll start out on the mound. Trevor bauer everybody knows the cy young award winner one seven three era this year. He only allowed five point. One hits per nine that best in the major leagues as well. So i see going to sign a one year deal and try to get paid next year when the pandemic you know rights itself in the money seems to be back where it is but you know honestly based on his age. I think he's looking at that kind of bridge deal. You know. i don't see the five million dollar yu darvish or excuse me the five year yu darvish or five year tanaka deal. That pitchers have been signing here over the past couple of years. I certainly don't see the garrett cole seven year deal. But i do see of that jake arrietta three year contract conversation certainly being hat and when you're looking at value it's anywhere from twenty five to thirty million dollars a year. Get up to possibly thirty five here over the next couple of years. So where does bauer put himself. I think he certainly looking at trying to get one hundred million dollars but if you look at that three year pact. That's really on the high end of what you're looking at getting. I think you're gonna look right around three years ninety million dollars potentially a fourth year option gets him up to you. Know one fifteen one twenty four times thirty type of conversation starter mounted go twenty five thirty thirty five and that's where you're looking at ninety million dollars over the course of three years. Now who's going to give him that type of money. I don't believe it will be the phillies. I know the dodgers and again the yankees. All the top guys will be in the conversation but again based on everything. We're hearing based on everything i'm reading. I think the new york. Mets are going to be at the top of the list. Because even after marcus stroman accepts his qualifying offer. That's only a one year commitment. So i don't think the the price tag over the course of two to three to four years will hinder steve cohen's aggressiveness and trying to go. After the top guy so does he go after lynn door. And bauer know that's a conversation. I'm not so sure. But i think just due to monetary concerns. You're looking at trevor bauer. Being the leader for the new york. Mets and again if they don't wanna trade and give up assets for lynn door and they're only giving up twenty five million bucks this year two. Trevor bauer the way. The contract is structured. They could be in conversation with these next two guys. I'm in the next to the top. Two bats on the market. Everybody as disgust is jt. Real mutel he's the the best catcher in baseball of course over the last three years. He's i in war. I made back to back all star teams and eighteen and nineteen. I had a really good offensive year. Here in twenty twenty in a shortened season throughout a major league high. Almost forty seven percent of base stealers. But you know offensively behind the dish and to be the best defensive catcher in baseball really kind of puts you in that standard level of outfield production and this is where a position in value from position. Become a conversation when offering. Jt rio mute so a contract because if you're paying him for his offense than you could spend that money more effectively elsewhere. Because if you're looking at george springer and real mutual offensively compared i believe. It's an edge to george springer now if you look at the entirety of the game calling the game. Genie pitching staff throwing out. Baserunners security behind the dish increases real mute value. Now now how much does it do that right. What is it potential. Deal that he's looking at and he's looking to try to get to that twenty five thirty million dollar a year. Let's see twenty. Three million per year was the salary held by joe mauer words of twenty five a year. I believe real mutya would jump on that to set the record for catching positions contracts. If you're looking at twenty five a year the conversation then becomes four five or six years and this is where the bidding more may start. Because i think you're going to have multiple teams in for jt. Rio mutoko at four years. One hundred million dollars. So do you get to five years. One twenty five to six in one fifty is that where teams are willing to go and then you know based on age in decline and t make makeup. Is this really the best avenue. If you're the philadelphia phillies. Are you really going to lock yourself in for five years for catcher behind the dish. I'm not so sure. And there are a couple of other options out there. I know wilson ramos for the mets. They're looking to upgrade over him. You got Gary sanchez on standing ground with the yankees. The yankees spin on jt. Real mutel person. Only once again. I think the new york. Mets should be seen as the leader in the clubhouse. I think they'd be willing to go to that five six year. Mark and that hundred and fifty million dollar kind of threshold. So i'd be looking at five years one forty for jd. If you're the mets six years one fifty if you want to limit you know the average annual value but still give him that top dollar which is what happened to kind of The bryce harper situation they added years to lower the yearly cost but certainly are now tied into the player even further. So if real mute does go into the mets bowers go into the mets. That leaves francisco lynn door. I think once again the reds or the outside leader there but next step we got george springer. And where does george springer end up. I certainly have the phillies directly in the conversation for george springer especially if they miss out on jt real. Till i think springer's looking for that twenty to twenty five million dollars a year as well. He'll be looking at four to five years. So you're looking at five one twenty five as kind of the baseline for springer him being an outfielder of course less wear and tear on the body and you know only thirty one years old. He certainly young enough to wear five years Doesn't seem to be like that will be out of You his career decline so to speak so five hundred twenty five five and one thirty. I think the phillies are the leader in the clubhouse for him but also hearing that the white sox could be involved and potentially the blue jays could be out there looking for some upgrades if they potentially make a move for lynn door and move on from some outfield help. They could replenish that by transition. In right to george springer and not having a lot of downtime so rounding out the next couple of free agents let's see. Dj lemay hugh. Where does he end up. He's looking at probably about twenty million a year. Three to four years for dj. Does he look at three at sixty year. Four at eighty. I think you're looking at closer to that. Four at eighty mark nelson. Who's paying the mayhew. I think his best fit is back with the yankees but if they make some moves. I some bigger fish i think. Of course the domino's continued to fall and we see him leave. New york next on the list is marcelo. I think he's right there in that conversation as well. He was right at that. Eighteen million dollar mark next year. He's looking for a raise. So you're looking at twenty to twenty five frozen so you're looking at three in seventy three and seventy five frozen yeah. I don't know if you want to go to that fourth year. But i think if you're the braves and what you saw offensively him in that lineup from the right side really could be a difference maker and i think you're looking to pull the trigger if you're the braves and bring back osuna next up on the list. Charlie morton is recent option was declined by the raise. He had a four seven. Four era in nine starts was obviously much better in the playoffs. So he'll be looking to go year to year. Let's see the. The race are rumored to be offering eight to twelve down from that fifteen but i think he could get fifteen to twenty from a lotta different contenders out there. On the market. I think the phillies would be interested. The yankees dodgers like. I said the race trying to bring him back that cardinals. Anybody who's in playoff consideration. Looking to add a veteran with the playoff pedigree of charlie martin is certainly going to be in conversation here so round and things out nelson cruz Looks like he'll be back with minnesota. They've been communicating back and forth justin turner. He looks to be back in la but if not he could potentially end up in washington a lot of people have made that connection and then the top relief pitcher liam hendriks. He had a fantastic year last year. One seven eighty ra. So it'll be in high demand a lot of people looking for relief help to phillies. But the dodgers name to To look at here as a potential move. I don't think they make any huge choices this off season so bringing him in on a short term deal i think could work but Lastly we have hung song. Kim who's coming over from korea. He's twenty five years old. He's been with the key womb heroes to ninety four over the last seven years one hundred and thirty three homers hundred and thirty four steals so does a little bit of everything offensively speed power and You know it is a heavy shortstop market here for free agency but adding kim to the mix you know he's looking at possibly getting you know eight ten million plus a posting fee so four years forty five million four years forty million for kim and a lot of those guys tend. End up on the west coast. So let's go. I don't know seattle. la san francisco. Somebody out there. I believe will add kim and add some pop into speed to their offense for twenty twenty one. So where do you guys think everybody ends up. Let me know in the comments here. Leva while you're rating in reviewing the podcast put your thoughts. Words lemay hugo bauer rio mute. So all those guys. I'm looking forward to hearing from you guys. 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Jed Hoyer

Off The Mound with Ryan Dempster

20:07 min | 6 months ago

Jed Hoyer

"It's time for the off. The mound with ryan dempster podcast presented by sloan. I'm your host ryan dempster. Today i'm joined by new president of baseball operations for your chicago cubs. Jed hoyer it'd be great to sit down with jad but i i've got to tell you about sloan's no touch handwashing technology. It's state of the art and second-to-none come at a better time so we want to thank them for providing that technology to people out there so we can all wash our hands and stay safe. Well he's been a part of the organization changed the culture with theo epstein and his good friend step down as president and he stepped right in in a well deserved honor so without further ado. Let's get to it and go off the moun- jed hoyer my friend. Mike powell my colleague. How are you buddy. Damn great man. how you doing. I'm good yeah. It's been a weird offseason for sure. How's it feel now when you have that title president of baseball operations so well deserved. Congratulations does it feel any different. Yeah you know. I come into an office virtually empty every day. You know we have three or four people that come in but we're still staying away and I still haven't move. Theo stuff out of the office next door so i'm still nice same office so on a day to day basis feels the same. But i'm excited. You know one of the best parts of this opportunity that we have a great staff and with that You know having this transition build some continuity so an idea day basis it feels the same. I'm working with the same people on the same goals Maybe when i switch offices and finally get the guitars and stuff out of their. It'll feel a little bit more more more like a promotion curious. Is this your first president of anything. I've never been the president of of anything so You know like the president of the club at school or anything off the off the field away from the field. I don't think so. I think i lost every fifth and sixth grade election. So this is. This is my first time with this. Title is kind of wild. And i'll be honest. Messed it up. Thousand times can take me a long time to get used to and speaking of offices. If you move is that was so who's going go in there. The new general manager will go and your all old office. Yeah they'll come in here. I have to figure out what exactly. I'm gonna run the search. I am going to go outside the organization to hire gm. I think finding someone with new ideas and That can bring a real different perspective. I think is very valuable But i have to three the right time to do a proper search. It's really hard to do a surge during during cova you know we talk in ill on zoom or on skype or whatever it might be and we don't get chance to To sit down face to face. I want to figure out the right time to do it. But i am excited at some point to run that surge to find someone to complement me incompetent of the rest of the really good people. We have in the office. If you don't find general manager anytime soon you could always use that office for a special assistant space to be able to put their stuff that that's always a good viable option too. I've got closet. Space all your costumes and everything so we should be good your vision as the president of the cubs you know. Obviously i feel. I mean you guys were like core skin brothers. You know you were intertwined and everything together. But now that he's gone. What is what is your vision for the club going forward. Yeah that's a great question. And i'm really proud of what we accomplished over the last. Nine years You know they make the playoffs five. The last six years is really impressive. And wherever you don't make the playoffs whenever you do make the playoffs and you don't win. People are frustrated but ultimately. That's gotta be the goal right. You take as many shots on goal as you can and if you can if you can do that eventually i think you're gonna wind up having parades and having wonderful october's and that's still. The goal is stained success to build a team that can make the playoffs year in year. Out I'm really excited. We kind of raised expectations here. So that is an expectation. But that's what we want. continue Right now we're an interesting period in the history of the team that we've made the playoffs five six years but this amazing group. That helped us to do that. Is getting toward the end of their of their service. Poc with us. We have a lot of guys have one more year or two more years of control and so as that happens. I think we're actively going to try to win the big league level but we're also going to have to be mindful of what the future looks like so there's a balance there that we always have to strike but the goals haven't changed the goals have to beat a run amazing organization. That is cutting edge with everything that we do and into scout and develop and have the best technology and to ultimately build an organization that is able to produce a playoff caliber team every single year. I think like for me. You know watching you guys in learning what goes on on this side of it on the on the baseball ops versus in between the white lines. That's what i knew. I would just marveled at how hard you guys work. The diligence you guys put in you know it never stops. It's twenty four seven three sixty five. How do we make the team better. And you alluded to it when you're answering. That question was about the expectations. How amazing has been to see that change because if you would've said ten years ago to every cub fan out there. Hey listen if you sign this petition. We're gonna win the world series but the side effect is that we're only going to win a few division titles after that we're going to make it to the we're going to go the playoffs every year but one year will use sign this. There'd be a line down. Clark street to downtown for every fan to sign that and now the expectation has changed and everybody wants winning. How excited are you to have that energy wrigley field. The owner talked about ton. That's why things were most proud of. Is that this was a lovable losers. Now this is a group that you know people could recite the playoff teams like their kids. Birthdays eighty four and eighty nine and ninety eight in. Oh three and you can't do that anymore because there's every year and i think that's what we're proud of that we've gotten past that you'll make the playoffs every ten or twelve years or so and be excited about it and now it's it's expected and that's wonderful that you want those high expectations and and i think that the ricketts family is a huge part of that with you. Know we've had significant resources. And i and. I also think that the fan base being patient with us while we Executed a plan. That was painful. We lost one hundred one games and ninety six games and had some lean seasons to build this and so the fans were patient the rick and supported it. And i think as a result we were able to run a plan process that ended up. You know Changing those expectations. You go through that process that plan and like you said eventually players get two points where years closer to free agency You try to sign guys and maybe that doesn't work out so then you have to explore different options. We just had the winter meetings recently. So much different. What was that like. Because when you don't have the person to person contact and you're doing it over zoom and you can't get that personal attention. Hey come to the sweet. We're gonna have a conversation you know how much different were the winter meetings than any other year you've ever seen. It was really hard. I mean even even yeah all joking aside like we always love up in our during games is a constant conversation about baseball. You know it whether it's you know you popping up there in the past david ross will come up there. We'd have our office staff and is so much Good ideas and good energy up. They're talking about baseball talking about ideas and our future and all those things and watching minor league games. And i miss that so much during the course of this year and i really also missed a ton. The interaction with players. This is by far the year that had at least contact with a players of any year. My career you know that we. We tried to stay away as much as we as we could. We were in tier to the players are in tier one and so now we tested every four days. They were tested. Every two days and last thing we wanted to do is put anyone at risk and so we talked to rossi every day multiple times but we really didn't get that same player interaction and that's part of what we love about the job and think part of running an organization know your players and to care about the people and it was much harder to do that this year without being able to go down there and chat or watch batting practice or just You know catch in the lunchroom Prior to to a workout or something like that so Unexcited to get back to that because it really did take away something and we all really enjoy about the game. Well this here was definitely crazy. It was nuts obviously the weirdest year that a lot of us have ever seen. But jed we've talked about a little bit but feel i'm you guys are such great friends. he leaves. And now it's your job to create your own identity and you're going to do a great job at you've been in this business forever. What are the things that you're gonna take away from what he taught you as you go about kind of leading your way along the baseball path here. Here's the president of baseball operations. Yeah it's a good question you know spicy. I go back so far. I i was there the night he got the job In boston is twenty. Eight years old and were jumping around and l. excited as twenty eight year olds and so i've really watched him grow up mature in the job and i think i take a lot from that because you realize that people are are ever changing and evolving and they're not static and i think that i've watched how he's grown and i i i i'll do the same thing in this role that you know you're not gonna always have the same mantra style. Same leadership style. You'll have to adapt. Based on what moments you ran as organization but ultimately is been like. I said a lot of fun and really gratifying to watch how he's evolved for me. The work ethic is number one You can't leave an organization you can't You can't expect people to follow you unless you're willing to be in the trenches all the time and really you know work your butt off and show that This is your main priority. And i think they're like if the own. I've always worked incredibly hard. We've always been in the office all the time and you have to be willing to to work. Incredibly hard in theo was that i think was brilliant getting along with everyone in different parts of the organization and so his ability to to go down and talk to the man's or talk to the players. You know talk to scouts. Talk to coaches talk to owners. I think that that's a big part of this. Role is being able to communicate and identify with each each group this organization you people focus so much on the tip of the iceberg of this job. Which is the the major league players like. They're the talent right but there's so many other people at that go into making a great organization to to be effective with his job. You have to think about every aspect of the organization. Not just you know what you see on the field. The most important part. Obviously that's why people pay money to come watch us play but there's so many things that lead into to that product. I think it was amazing. That I mean i'll miss them. Yeah i my press conference and we've been together for so long this but at the same time You know i. I felt like i was racist job. Ten years ago. In san diego A came to to chicago theo. Because you know we always talked about breaking a second curson and joining forces in doing that together. And i stayed here because i love chicago. I love the city. I love this organization. And i'm excited that For theo's next chapter and i'm excited for to slide into that role and to keep things going on and to To can continue to to do great things here on the north side. And you will do that. I not a question in my mind. Just watching how hard you work and everything everything you put into the job. It's it's quite understandable. Why you'd be the next guy in line because you deserve it so super happy for you and happy to take over for him. Can't wait to see we. We should throw some sort of party in his office afterwards. Just just for fun. You know like and not invite him. Why won't be the first repaint the walls. Whatever we wanna do. It won't be the won't be the first party that'd be good. Other guys in charge speaking is in charge. I'm david ross. First year as manager. Joe when is his separate ways and went to anaheim and that job became available for david to take over as manager Talk about like the job. He did incredible job this year of of managing especially given all the circumstances with with covid amazing adding spectacular first year. I think we've always known need. This is what he's meant to do is born to do. He's a leader of people. People gravitate towards them tremendous presence and really an amazing ability to be a friend. But also hold people accountable. And that's not an easy thing to do. But i thought given the challenges that were in front of him in the first year like having all the cogan protocols having to do deal with to spring training having deals expectations i thought he was. He was perfect in that role and one of my favorite things about him is. I thought he was so brilliant this year. As there's so many games you come in and he would be self-critical. I'll i'll get better this. I'll do that better. I know i'll see that in the future. I think that's what great leaders are. all about. I think part of being a great leader as knowing you're constantly learning having that intellectual curiosity to get better and rossi has that he's been working all winter with our team to continue to further his growth and i think that's what ultimately is going to make him. One of the best managers in the game is that he has that desired. Getting better isn't thinking does it. All and he's not ashamed to admit that he doesn't know it all so Is such an appealing part of his job. Knowing that we have an excellent man now in a manager that i think will just continue to grow and get better and better at. It is a hard thing to find an and we have one so. I think that that's fantastic. Thought it would have been great. A factor the manager of the year awards came out and he didn't win it. You should call them and been like. Hey listen You know we really appreciate everything but we only we guys win manager of the year. So we're gonna go a different direction. We think you're good for six games but not really one sixty two so talking about speaking about underperformed underperformed in any way whatsoever but some of the guys on the team last year didn't have years that a that most importantly they would consider acceptable and we wouldn't right because we're used to something out of them. How much do you think not having. Fans affected certain guys on the team. Because they feed off of that energy and especially at a ballpark by wrigley field. It's a good question. I mean i came in any of the games and sat there. It was really weird. Commands a weird environment. I think we used to playing in front of that. Many fans at wrigley. We really struggled offensively wrigley. It does make you wonder a little bit of why we struggled so badly but you know we played sixty games and sixty games. Usually the number. We play on june tenth or so and no one looks at the stats on june tenth. And says this is all that meaningful. You've got your good start. This time left and i just think that you know that was all we have sixty games and our guys happen to struggle in sixty games. I also think that. On top of just being you know until june tenth or so. Normally i think a lot of guys started to to really become concerned about their numbers by halfway through the season because they realized they only had twenty twenty five. Thirty games left to to have a good year. And so i think those pants that of set in when guys realize like the back of their baseball card point twenty was not going to be were they expect and so the last year is a really hard mental year. That reason and i also think it was just a really short sample. And so i think we have to do a good job of remembering that what we just saw it was real but it also was very short and you know we can't talk about small samples and talk about not reading too much into small samples on one hand and on the other hand over value. What we just saw in twenty twenty. And i think this is something we have to remember every single day. It was a very unusual season and speaking of that too. So now you have these teams that are knowing that there's possible. I don't even know what the right word is transition mode or or whatever it is or now these teams are like sharks in the water. And they're like well we want this player but he didn't have a good year in twenty twenty. It's like cool. But he's still an all-star he's still mvp he's still a really great player. How do you navigate dot with other teams and dealing with that. Yeah i mean. I think we have to remember we. We know what those players are. Lost these guys some sailor in the minor leagues in the draft. And i think that we've seen them perform over years. And i think with with all of the guys that we had that struggled you know. They've had sixty game schedule sections of their of their seasons where they struggle like this but they also have more time to make up for it. So i think this is going to be the nature of of Of twenty twenty one. I think it will be players that had down years last year. That bounce back and people are going to be surprised that they bounced back or they're going to call it a bounceback season and in reality they're not gonna give enough weight to the fact that twenty twenty one A representative amount of innings or plate. Appearances so. I just think we have to remember that. What we saw was a was a season But it wasn't a normal season. There's a reason we play all summer long because there's a lot of luck involved in baseball. There's a lot of ups and downs and we played for six months for a reason. We play every day for a reason and we didn't do that. We just forget that That reason that we play every day is because a small sample doesn't really work in baseball. Yeah well whatever happens. I know you're gonna you know. Do all the hard work that needs to be done to continue to make the cubs success like they are. Thanks so much. For stopping. By off the mound. Best everything this holiday season to you in maryland and the kids. I know this time of year when you have little kids. It's crazy. they're they're running on sugar and and the adrenaline of The big guy come and so you know best of luck. Thanks thanks for coming off. The mound could couldn't say thanks enough depth. I enjoyed it. I'll talk to you soon. Have a great christmas well as you. You can see folks the cubs. They're in good hands with that man right there. So great to catch up the jed hoyer to hear more conversations like the one you just heard. Please download and subscribe to the mound with line. Dempster podcast on apple podcasts. Or spotify and it's all presented by our good friends at sloan behalf. Everyone here it off. The mound have a very happy holiday season.

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Hour 2: No Longer "Lovable" Losers

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Hour 2: No Longer "Lovable" Losers

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Welcome to Spain. And fits the podcast. It's Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the espionage app and Sirius XM channel any fits still hanging out with golick and wingo suggested Goff is in with me for a couple more days. ESPN radio's presented by progressive insurance. Let's out to the shell Pennzoil performance line where ESPN's meaning Himes joins us. Thanks for making time for us. Meena? I was enjoying watching you on HQ today on mute. I had no idea what you were saying, but you were all with all of the videos involving animals as as one always as she always looks like she's having a fun time. Which is good. Not always on. Poppy gets her. I can assure you I was saying something, very smart. I don't know what it was. But it well how was that show? I'm sure it was the kind of intellectual insight one can be expected when poppy is taking his shirt off right next to let's talk about this big trade. By the way, I love that our producer Vince, just put on the screen flacco, Elway keenum because he's like all right? Let's get to the point here. Just in case you forgot about the topic of the day. What do you make of this? A lot of people don't seem to even think it's much of an upgrade. I would agree. I think you know, there's not a ton of riskier, right? And I kinda see why Elway did it. So he's had a John Elway has had a really hard time finding quarterback. That's no secret. Not just in terms of you know, keenum free agent. But also drafting and developing his record has been really bad since Peyton Manning, which most people say will does Peyton Manning, not exactly, you know, executives year material right there. Although at the time, I will say, you know, people questioned him because age and coming off the injury. But that says the last two years have not gone what on well. So in some way, kind of understand why he sought going with flacco who has he he doesn't have a high ceiling, but he doesn't have a low floor, perhaps always mine, although it's very good of a less two years him thinking. Okay. Well, at least we can get some stability as a position a guy who can come in run the offense the way want to you know, traditional pocket passer under center and. I get that. What I don't like about it aside from the fact that I don't sneak Laco was the best quarterback available is that they're now committing like twenty eight at least million dollars in resources to quarterback position. And they don't wanna have a quarterback, right? No matter what they do is keenum's. They're going to have to eat like ten million dollars. Even if they you know, they cut him. And I think they're going to try to train them. Good luck with that. So from a financial perspective from resource allocation perspective, it just doesn't make a ton of sense to me who is the best quarterback available that NFL owners were allowed to play football right now. I think it's next. She. I was like you started asking the question. I was like, okay. Okay. Talking about Nick foles. They. This is the problem is Nick will. I mean, you know, he is I my podcast today. A show featuring Lenny wish a patio. I said he's maybe the highest variance quarterback of the last ten years. And you know, the crazy Nick foles it. It's not like he was awesome for one game. And wow that committed over like he's been good for breeding long stretches under to Kelly that amazing season. Even this year. His physics were pretty good. Although he tailed off it at the end and started the greater rightly, but there's also been years where he's an awful, we need the Ramseyer, which people say we'll throw out the window. But it wasn't just that. So you don't really know what you get with him. But I actually think he's been pretty good in recent years, and he's certainly been better than flacco talking to you can follow me on Twitter. Yeah. It sounds like a keenum will just be sort of floating figure out what they can do with him flacco. We'll get the nod Jew. Think there's even a chance for us to see what flag. Goes still has with a team like the Broncos that doesn't have a ton of weapons. And that's that's the problem. Right. Because they don't, you know, part of the reason keenum struggled. He wasn't terrible last year. But part of the reason it wasn't great. Was that offensive line is just a real problem in Denver in when you spend twenty million dollars quarterbacks that limits. Your ability upgrade the offensive line. I think that it's been reported that it was a force rounder for, you know, flacco, which which isn't a big deal and actually have to force. I believe and but you know, they've got a lot of work to do. And you remember they traded Thomas who also was released recently. So they could bring him back, and they know Sanders tore his achilles. So the whole offense needs to be upgraded. And again, they just devoted a lot of resources to a quarterback who went imagined eats. A lot of help we talked to Jeff flake wall earlier, and he talked about it being a three year mistake when you don't find a quarterback in the draft. So is John we're going to be allowed to make another three mistake. He made one with Paxton Lynch. How? How many swings is he going to get it this quarterback position for the Denver? Broncos shouldn't be allowed. Your question. I mean, one of the most wild things this off season guys that we had all these coaching firings, right, including an in Denver was mass Joseph, and somehow all these GM skated, and it's kind of perplexing because you look at teams like Denver, you get things like Arizona or whatnot. And you see a lot of teams where the GM didn't exactly put the coaches in a position, and I would include Denver there. You know, always taking a bunch of swings at these things and obviously winning a Super Bowl in the NFL tends to buy more time. But quarterback is the most important position. I it's crazy groundbreaking analysis from me. Vision and Elway has not succeeded at it, you know, the career that John wants to maintain his legacy in Denver quarterback, passive which as a joke. But at this point the evidence does not support his ability to find and identify and develop talent talking to peons meaning that Spain in golf Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio ESPN app and Sirius XM channel eighty let's change gears from here Antonio Brown. Asking out the seemed inevitable, but as we discussed intentional landing spots. Some of us seem to sort of disagree as to whether or not it's a positive if you add someone like AB to a team with a young quarterback that young quarterback now has an incredibly gifted wide receiver. But also, potentially a headache and someone who could have issues in terms of development. What do you think about that? Should I should I be wanting him to come to my bears? I would either telling you Brown. He's still one of these five best quarterbacks in the NFL. I will say this, and I just don't around him years ago. So I know little bit the he's had need issue that he's having team in terms. Like the interpersonal stuff. That's not surprising. What is the rising is like the idea of showing up this? He was the Horace working player for so long. You heard this so much told you about in college. He's showing up before everyone else. He's working out working every person he had a tough upbringing. I think he can get back to that. And you know, get back to his desire to play because here's the thing. Pittsburgh, the toxic atmosphere environment. It wasn't just Antonio Brown. Right. I mean, the number of stories it's funny because you really have situation where three most talented players are dramatic and dealing, but they say thousand cells there, and it's the kind of thing where yes, I. Do believe he he deserves. I think a lot of the blame for how it played out. But so do a lot of other people there, and I and I really think with the fresh start with the right organization actually think it's less about the quarterback four about the coach, you know, he can get back to being the best one of the best wide receivers in the NFL. And I would absolutely if I mean pretty much any team, I think should leap at his contract, which steel would rude awakening will the Pittsburgh Steelers come under if they have. No, I'm Bill. They have no Antonio Brown. I like James Connor and juju Smith Schuster as much as the next guy, but they aren't those two players and a lot being on. Ben Rothlisberger is played after he's turned the ball over the way he has the last couple of years. This might be the closing of a window very very soon here for the Pittsburgh Steelers. No, I I'm with you. I think a lot of it just rests on how much bed rothlisburger regressive. They still got a really great offensive line. Obviously after Connor and it's James Washington stepped up to the number two receiver potentially. Do you? Just miss. The Shuster is fantastic. But letting on valid Antonio Brown our generation. Channel talent. Right. And if the quarterback continues or takes another step back, then I think you're in serious trouble. So it really to me. It all depends on Ben I will say this about Pittsburgh guys that team can find wide receivers. Like, no other team in the NFL. So I'd be curious to see what they do in the graph to replace him talking to on the shell Pennzoil performance line. You can check out. The latest meantime podcast posted just an hour ago. It's Munico show, featuring Lenny everywhere, you get your podcasts. Thanks for the time. Meena always good to hang out with you. Thanks, guys. Don't get got by poppy. Don't. Coming up on Spain and bit spring training is getting started. And the cubs are not focusing on the field. We'll tell you why next benefits Spain and Fitz. Yeah, if you are going to just ask us as sports fans to accept the fact that pretty universally players with domestic violence incidents are going to be given second chances and in some case third chances, then the next step is to stop just being enraged, which we are. We're at a base level enraged often by this and to take the next step forward, which is okay. Then what are we demanding of league's players and teams to trust that they're going to get this, right? That they can that they can prove to us that this person was deserving, and they can be trusted for it not to happen again. And that's sort of where Matt now I'm beyond just that. This should never happen. Because that doesn't seem to matter when fans and media say, this is not the way things should go teams aren't really listening. If if the bottom line is winning in these players are talented enough. It's Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the espionage. Sirius XM channel eighty Sarah Spain and Jason golf temper straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless. Best phones, best networks, no contracts. And yeah. As as the off season for training for the cubs as pitchers and catchers report and spring training. So it's getting going the cubs are going to be spending a whole lot of time talking about things that have nothing to do with how they're gonna fair on the field this year, whether it's emails sent by the very rich father who helped fund his kids buying the team owning it or it's Addison Russell being welcome back to the team despite a suspension for domestic violence or the partnership with the controversial Sinclair television for the new cubs television network. One of my missing here. Oh, you Darvish that deal. Right. I mean, I guess that's technically real baseball. But at this point what's fascinating to me golf is that this team would lovable loser. Lovable loser for the longest time. Then THEO Epstein arrives. They put into place a plan that works. They break the longest. Out in the history of sports. They are endearing and lovable winners. Despite her all this Chapman coming in felt like a wrench. There were it was tainted. And there was a lot of people that were not into that. But it was quick right. He was in. They won. He was out and everyone went back to thinking. Okay. This is a team I can roof Oregon, and they have in no short order alienated any number of fans over a bunch of different issues and went from the top of the mountain to instead of us talking about how they should still be in that winning window being really really a challenging team for people to root for every once in a while, sir. True. Sam gets dropped into your situation. And you have to ask yourself questions a fan. What am I willing to put up with what am I willing to deal with now it changes for everybody? You know, if you if if you're not. Bothered by Slama phobic, and and an anti semitic comments, and all the other things that were talked about bandied about in those emails than it might be easy for you. And as you mentioned, the erode is Chapman situation when that you immediately became the the team that no longer could cozy up to being the lovable losers and go cubs go and and the seventh inning stretch in Wrigley field and the smell of peanuts and popcorn in the air anymore. You now or not a mercenary? Yeah. You are now Yankees mid west. You know, you and now dodgers mid west and bringing over the UFC, and you knew there was a plan in place into execute that plan if you really looked at his history. I mean, he's he's required guys before Julio Lugo and some guys who have stepped outside of the law, and winning you you've been thrust into all of a sudden, a winning culture. And I think the the problem that that we have and not the problem, but I'm happy the conversation is is now Morphing into straight cancelled culture to redemption, culture and ask. Asking yourself if this wouldn't have happened to your team. How would you feel about it? Now, it's happening to everyone team right before it was like the raiders of the bad, boys. The Yankees don't care because they can spend all the money in the Cowboys exactly cowboy everybody's doing dope on the Cowboys though. You know, how can they be America's team now is your team, and it's your team and it's the Browns, and it's the cubs, and it's the Kansas City Chiefs. And it, you know, so now you have to ask yourself these questions about your squad. The issues that I may have may not be had with from anybody else. But I could talk real with you about this because I learned a lot from you when it comes to just the nuance. And also the the subtleties of the terminology when it comes to the Addison Russell situation, and how the Epstein went about it. And THEO Epstein is an oratory that we should all, you know, hope to be one day when it comes to addressing tough subjects when it comes to dress addressing subjects that you don't think should be so tough like equality for all. But I think the blueprint I it's it's kind of gross to me and not from him. But I think the blueprint has been laid out to okay, if something happens, this is how you go about it. This is what you say and people might get over it a little bit quicker. And I'm not saying that it's wrong to think he did that. No, no. I think what was most notable is that he didn't just roll out the same thing we always hear what has happened. And it certainly wasn't the same thing. They said about her all this Chapman. They handled this way differently than when they tried to force her all this Chapman on got the blow. I'm back that they weren't expecting because their managers seemed a little insensitive. I was I was one of the people who tried to chalk things up to translate. Exactly, right. Exactly. I was sleeping through it. See I'm not saying that feel Epstein went through the the motions I'm talking about. He might have laid out the blueprint who how you go about to get people to get over. And even if you don't mean see Quin that sounds cynical. That sounds like what he said was only valuable in terms of convincing people to get over it. I think. Yeah. I was four if you are going to demand fans to continue watching and to accept things like this layout, y and he did it's not just about him. It's about Melissa. The victim in about children in abusive relationships, and we're donating money and working with the organization we have a twenty year history with on on creating a culture word making our entire staff. Everybody from the baseball players to the people who work at Wrigley field undergo domestic violence training to me. This is not a blueprint in a cynical way. It's a blueprint in the right way. What I'm saying is fi web Stein. Could mean and feel every one of those words, which I do think he meant and felt everyone of those words what I'm saying is, and listen, I I know we all want to live in a perfect world. But we also have to comment on the world we live in. I know they're bunch of fans, and maybe some organizations out there who looked at that and said, okay, this is how you do it. And even if and as far as the rigorous training, right? Like only THEO Epstein knows until we get these these questions asked by local reporters, but only THEO Epstein knows for now what the rigorous. Training will be for domestic violence and battery are concerned that every employee will have to undergo. But I also know that there are fans out there. Hell we saw with the Baltimore Ravens situation where days after there were people wearing Ray rice jerseys. We we seen it with the Cleveland Browns situation where you see all bunch of people tweeting about how hey, I don't care. My team got better. There are people who are only concerned with the team. And I feel like an whether it'd be cynical and not I feel like this is now another layer to it another level to it all vote, the Omay be he may be dead on spot on and he may be sensitive to all these things which I think he is because having you know, when you hear people talk about other things, you kind of get a sense of who they truly are when the bad stuff happens, right and hate he is very measured and very understanding a very thoughtful in all his answers, and he may be a a dense or boring interview to some. But from the things that I've heard just strictly baseball. He's he's a thoughtful, dude. So this didn't surprise me the way he went about this. And I think he will he will put his money whereas mouth is so to speak when it comes. To you know, implicating implementing but exacting these rules implementing these these things but going forward, I think also there are a lot of people who don't wanna care or don't wanna feel bad about these things the strictly I just want to get away for two and a half hours. Yeah. Those people in a gross manner to me we'll be let off because. Okay. This is the blueprint I, but I hope it's a blueprint positive way that they actually put it into action, Sean copycatting because they see that it works at least then they're doing the right things. Because as I said on outside the lines today I saw in THEO Epstein. And in the way, he has talked about this since day one and understanding an education about the issue before stepping to a microphone to speak about it. I don't think he's just smart enough to fool us. I think does care. I think cares. Convinced us with his words that it's about therapy and continual development, it's about an entire staff getting training, it's about working with family rescue and the house of good shepherd. It's about checking in and saying it doesn't matter. We said before you'd be ready. If you aren't it's not gonna matter. And that's what matters to me. This is brought to you by straight talk wireless, nationwide coverage on America's largest and most dependable four G LT networks more on the cubs coming up is there a better path for them to take in our fans still backing THEO and this team despite recent events Jason Goff infra fits Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio Spain and Fitz. Geico presents eyewitness interviews with inanimate objects. This is Brian Bruno live on the scene of a recent windstorm here to describe the event a chest of drawers, there's a storm howling outside. So I thought I'd stay in and watch around com. Five minutes into the flick, a tree branch slams through the window. 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Let's it out to the shell Pennzoil performance line where Sahata Sharma athletic cubs reporter joins us. He's two. He's got a good face. He's got everything. We we were just talking about how absurd it is. That the cubs have managed to somehow almost entirely destroyed the goodwill they earned by finally winning a World Series. Can you explain for people who aren't local to Chicago? How much I guess consternation and disappointment there is with this cubs team right now, it's it's really remarkable. I've been talking about it a little bit. I it's been especially as all season, very negative off-season. Obviously the season ended in disappointment achievement time speculations eliminated in the world can of losing the division and the I mean that's just on the field. Wait before that Addison. Russell was suspended for domestic violence as you still hasn't spoken to us. It sounds like he's ready to admit what happened, but but he's denied it for over a year. Now, it's been denials. There's been a lot of follow for that. I have to say to you abstain smoke eloquently. Eloquently yesterday about the situation that student center it solely on Addison Russell, which is a big problem in sports far too often. It's athlete that the story is centered on, but you know, there is a victim in here Melissa radio his ex wife. There's there's big race the fans who live suffered through domestic violence, how the organization handles it. I think the odor the great job there. But it's still there's negative story after negative story until Ricketts Email weeks racist, and there's. Through emails that you know, they tell Renta's may not be on the board of trustees the one making all this ascensions. But this is a man who fronted the money. His family the purchaser team. It's unclear. He makes any money from the team. But there's an association there in the sense that it's the time we entered in a struggle to distinguish between the two so it's frustrating in and it's hurtful to a lot of fan. And of course, you know, the deal with Sinclair that is going to be hugely polarizing for the fans. You know in a very liberal say Chicago Sinclair as a mouthpiece for this. The trooper administration. Wildly plus rating fans, and and and people that just want to escape in baseball can't do that in. And of course, you know, the stick to sports thing is always been rooms. You can't just stick to sports because they're so politics is intertwined with sports, whether it's labor relations, whether it's in Cranston that, you know, everything about sports, there's a lot of politics involved, but still when the games or happening you'd like to be able to get about the real world. It's it's become an impossibility. Would've Tom Ricketts? Have to say we hurt the team talk. What does Tom Ricketts have to say to address all these issues, including his father's emails. Yeah. We're going to have to win to rarely hear what he has to say because he'll he'll speak to us next week. That's interesting because I basically wrote at that, you know, feel if seen as a great is a great face for this organization. But now we need to hear from Tom Ricketts, and we need to hear from Addison Dipper, also or the two people that matter we know you can talk. We can he can say the right thing is people are who into from and make sure that they can say the right thing. And then that their actions match their words Thomas is done the radio rounds earlier that was before to reconvene. Nicotine. So he he was just talking about. You know, why the team wasn't spending? I didn't even get to that the negative the negative aspect of this team. Not spending more in an offseason after this. A you know, yes wins. Yes. To play off appearance. But there are high expectations for cops. Nowadays in the cubs students have passed their they have pension. So of the Red Sox and the Yankees they need to win every year and they need to go deep into the playoffs. Otherwise, it's a disappointment. So there's layers here of questions that have to be asked the Tom leykis. They're serious ones without his father's emails, and perhaps serious ones. But once at Dan's want answers to about why the budget is so restrictive Spain hits sarahspain Spain indecent Goff talking to Sahadi Sharma. You can follow him on Twitter at Sahadi Sharma. What are the actual expectations baseball wise because not I mean, technically they made the postseason last year. But this felt like this window should be bigger in terms of competing with the best teams. And and they are not predicted to be top the division or even in the postseason by a lot of expert. Yeah. No. I mean, look at projection systems, they very I mean, obviously. Perspective sympa coda right now the coast protective for wins that seems low to me personally. But it's even look at that and other stuff it's how much higher than eight eighty nine wins. That may Linda division it in a very competitive division. If everybody's eating each other. I would I would think I look at this team. I look at us roster. They say healthy, obviously, a big question every year. But if you look at them, I think they have the talent to win this division. It's a ridiculously talented division to everyone got better. There's the from top to bottom. I it's gonna be tough. I think the cuts are towns enough to make the playoffs. If you if you press me right now, I probably say no just won't make the plans because it's such a tough division. And and they didn't make enough moves to really put them over the edge. Everyone else did improve the growers are better teams on paper. The cardinals better team on paper. I expect to bills to teams who really pushed it accounts. I think the cardinals have a little. A bit of a chip on their shoulder after missing the playoffs for the last few years and the cuffs Mason cleaning conning themselves chance of the division of half of us. Even though they win it last year. They kind of act in a walk around like that own this division, and and then they shoot that type of confidence. But if the cardinals health to be inching to to take the cubs on this year, and and really take over this division. And a forget the brewers adding grin does have been deal behind the plate. And that offense that do the way they use their pitching staff. I it's unique is something that's really becoming a trend in baseball two teams that you just cannot town out. An arguably Benjamin the cubs on paper, everyone in this clubhouse that you talked to them the past couple of days since spring training started. They're not they're not relinquishing anything in once the big show up like Anthony raise Chris practice showed up today. Didn't talk I'm senators that'd be a lot of confidence. And they're going to be a certain edge. That was lacking that's going to be here. A lot about that about a sense of urgency on edge with the team. You're going to be hearing a lot about that from the cubs. And I did you'll also hear a different way of how they addressed into. Did. They lose a game. It's not going to be like there's another one tomorrow. There's they wanna put their foot on the throat of the competition. I sure we're going to hear them talk differently about hankins. If you if you if you were betting main because I don't know you that well side of I feel I love you. But if you betting man, Joe Madden is he the cubs manager after next to you know, if I if I'm betting this strongly defend against that. I don't think it has anything to do with whether he's a good manager manager. I think it's just you know, I mean read the writing on the wall, not being extended you couldn't they can trying to flip this as much as they want and say, let's focus on two thousand nineteen I've talked to people around baseball. And and anyone and everyone says. On. Let's let's look it. As rationally if invited them around it extends him, I it does either the win at all. Or he's likely not coming back. Let that's fair. Now, we could debate forever. Obviously one of the best bandages a couple of ever had. I just don't show if if the relationship is where needs to be I'm not saying, it's a strain or a bad relationship. But clearly something isn't really to the not on the same page, otherwise he would have been extended. I if this perfect relationship they would be in. He he be here beyond two thousand nineteen. I think even if he does win all there's a chance that he made he may not be brought back as we just discussed who knows those shot bones are author long that they can win on. Oh, what the cubs would give to have. Whether Joe Madden will be extended be the biggest of their worries again as it was just a few months ago. Hey, thanks for your time. Sahata? Appreciate it see out near Zona. All right. Thanks for having me on. Sharma of the athletic. Hey, guys, the NBA is on ESPN radio. You can tune in tonight as the warriors go on the road to take on the blazers presented by indeed coverage begins at ten PM eastern on most ESPN radio stations coming up on Spain. And fits the things that make us cry. You know like Garfield cartoons. It's coming up next painting fits Spain. And fits all this jam. Okay. Hey, hey. 'cause this man it's Spain in pits in radio, the espionage and Sirius XM channel eighty Spain and Jason gov with you hit that notes here. If you really put your your home, I really didn't like dive deep in Asia. Ooh, I can pitchy from me. We were talking in the commercial break about orange sodas. And I'm enrolled rushes Goff is team Fanta. So I put it up on the one eight hundred flowers dot com Twitter feed at Spain and Fitz at sarahspain at Jason one golf you really didn't though and I didn't do what you use. What's better? I didn't do that. I said what's better orange crush Fanta? And as I suspected sixty seven percent of people said orange crush road because a lot of people were wrong. There are a lot of time consuming. Sunkissed should have been involved in the will. I disagree should be drawn and quarter. This gentleman came up with an idea that I have never heard of an IM down. He said put some vanilla ice cream and glass, crush tastes like a cream sickle Fanta tastes like a cheap copy. I've never thought about that. And I want to do it immediately after the show. I just had that. I'm gonna say minutes. I just had that conversation on my g live the other day. When somebody asked me if root beer of Rubio float is good or awful leaving. I'm I'm not a fan. I've had one in my life. I don't need soda and ice cream to ever meet on any point in time. You think of root beer soda? What is it? It's a beer from route. Their news remaining. Then that is the kind of analysis that gets you the title of the commission that gets in and out of Cornell. Right. The commission spoken commission. You all SAS Parrilla route. You messed up the poll you didn't put orange Fanta on there. There's. Nebulous fence. Great Nov actually here. The fact that your phantom needs some sort of additional nomenclature to identify which Fanta is you're speaking of them, I guess says all you need to know the college basketball season is heating up. And that means it's time for the Wendy's wooden watch the John r wooden men's player of the year award presented by Wendy's is the most prestigious individual honor in college basketball, awarded to the country's most outstanding player who's also making progress towards earning a degree, go to ESPN dot com. And search wooden watch for the list of the wooden award late season top twenty nominees to watch as this season. Rolls on were, of course, watching dukes. RJ Barrett enzyme Williamson brought to you by Wendy's proud sponsor of the two thousand nineteen John r wooden player of the year my favorite fast food spot. Wendy's. That's by far get yourself in Friday's hasty wouldn't wouldn't award. You get yourself a hot tasty, Wendy Slough. It get yourself on as wouldn't award. Keep it together. Man. I was so many go on rose weird. Be careful out there. So last night as I was staying up too late is always watching TV, and you know, skimming Twitter getting into fights and whatnot was too late. I saw I mean just too late for like I need to wake up and go to meetings and stuff and I own so like one forty five. Plus, I don't have a child. So. Wake up be responsible. So I stay up to. But I was scanning and I saw this fellow Jacob Margolis thread, and he's a science reporter. And I'll read you a tiny bit of what he wrote sad news Mars Rover opportunity is probably done sometime tonight. A team at NASA will make their final attempt to contact opportunity. If they can't they'll likely call the missing mission. Here's what happened. She. So now, it's been anthropomorphized. So now, it's it's a thing that has a gender. And so now, I'm starting to think of it as like something with is in a face in a heart. She was bouncing along doing well until a massive dust storm engulfed all of Mars in June two thousand eighteen knocking out communications with the team on earth. They haven't heard from her sense. It's unclear exactly what happened. The last message. They received was basically my battery is low and it's getting dark they hoped that the windy season would clear dust off, the solar panels. If that was the problem since then they've been picking her again. And again every way they knew as far as I can tell this is the last image opportu. Unity took and it's just it's just a dark dark dark dark scene. Winter is coming some Wendy season which runs from November to January. It's come to an end bad news for opportunity, it'll be dark intense could reach minus one hundred celsius one key way. She stays warm is by moving around. If components haven't broken already, the extreme cold will likely serve the final blow. So anyway, it goes on and on and on. And then it talks about how great it is that she was only supposed to survive for ninety days and she thrived for fifteen plus years driving over twenty eight miles on Mars by this point. I'm crying about a Rover on Mars, which is not surprising because I cry about a lot of inanimate objects. And then somebody sent me a poem by John Updike in the New Yorker that is about the spirit Rover an opportunity Rover spending time together, and it ends with. Let's rove my love and meet before we die. Now, I'm crying more. No wondering if other people cry about inanimate objects and Susana put on by the way, ladies tells is one hundred percent real she's really in her crying bag when it comes to admit objects is one hundred percent serious. So then before the show I was telling the guys behind the glass, but how is crying about the opportunity Rover and one of them Mike happen to bring up the giving tree which is my favorite book of all time and merely talking about it made me cry actual full on tears before the show started. I think I need help or I'm just like a really empathetic person who who feels deeply. That's the bright side of it. No doubt. I listen. You make me feel like a worse person every time I talked to you not only because of your barbs. But because if you're your humanity, I know that I've been taught to stifle and push those things way down until toxic macula, masculinity strikes. Again, I don't know don't know. We'll we'll come into the Jason golden, but not I. I cry about I want to say because it would be dismissed if I said real things, but I cry other things. I don't do that. Here to make sure you don't cry about, you know, robots and low key sounds like the robot kind of goes to the scientists to me I like it sounds like that's totally fair. Maybe there's like Mars version of NASA that Scott him better body. No doubt, maybe can cook a little bit better on. It's like. No, you're not doing it for me anymore. Nasa you upgrade every once in a while. You know, you don't have to tell everybody every time you upgrade. It sounds like maybe there was something on the other side of them. What was it again opportunity was thirsty because you know, they're not sure if he can find water. Hey, and this is no is no coincidence. Right. That it happened right before Valentine's Day on. Oh, man. Wow. You've really taken my Senator. I'm enjoying it into. Maybe she just upgraded every time herself word the right? Kind of got a new boo Jimmy Hossan up all year long Christmas, just past new years. You ain't tell you when it is face force. Like, listen, or we don't need war up appear on Mars. Can we just need? Love hated you ever sit in Raleigh because I still have not seen it because I'm going to cry. I violently skip. It every time. That's not this me. Why are you skipping it? Well, it's a long story. My son just got the term animated movies because I can say it into the control, and it brings up all the animated movies that he likes anytime. I hit animated movies. Wally is one of the first ones that comes up, and I'm like, no, we're not watching Wiley one. I know it said in to appeal to a two year old is not enough singing dancing. None of bright colors. And this is that a Pixar flick. Pixar joints are made to make you feel awful. I literally just watched a short. I think it was. Pixar that was actually demonstrating toxic Machias masculine in the workplace, and there was a bunch of dude broS and then this ball of yarn shows up because she gets a job. They're starting to. I was crying about a ball of yarn. Listen, if you put eyes and a mouth on literally anything why we'll get sad about it, a toaster toast. It doesn't even have to be a cartoon of that thing that tees was not a joke. I cried about a Garfield nor tuned once because he forgot how to eat ice cream and stuck it in his forehead instead of his mouth, and it's sad. Sad. I don't know if I want your life, or I wanna stay as far from your life as every other segment, I'm like, she's living an awesome life. And then you tell me these things, and I think about I'm looking at a listener right now, the things that people cry about the notebook is in they're dreaming. Those are getting ready for school failure commonalities features. Thing. Do that coming up who's doing? 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Epstein Departure, Legacy, MACtion picks: The Chris Hrabe Show Ep. 31

Scoops with Danny Mac

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Epstein Departure, Legacy, MACtion picks: The Chris Hrabe Show Ep. 31

"After should've chris show on scoops with danny mac dot com a little bit of a pivot today and late this morning. Right around lunchtime news out. Theo epstein stepping down as the president of baseball operations for the cubs effective immediately and kind of an interesting big picture. Question thought discussion that popped in my head about leadership and leadership in sports and what it means and where we go and how long and how long things do and should last so going to visit in. Just a moment with rob fisher guy from memphis memphis. Grizzlies broadcasts grind city media as well. He hosts a podcast the odds couple every week. Maybe he'll give some action pics as well. But i just enjoy shooting the ball with fish about anything we used to host an afternoon. Drive show together at memphis so we can get him on the horn and just one second. Don't forget to subscribe chris. Rabi show by subscribing to the scoops with danny mac. Podcast wherever you listen to your podcasts. Follow me on twitter at hr ab. Follow scoops with danny mac. Danny will be with me on. Thursday can always email me chris at scoops dating back dot com. I rob fisher. Joins us on the chris rabies show and was planning on talking about a variety of things with fish. But we got some news in the last couple of hours that theo epstein is stepping down from the chicago cubs. He sent a letter to the cubs organization to announce That he is going to step down as the president of baseball operations. Jed hoyer cubs. Gm will be succeeding him. And i think some interesting big picture angles to look at as it comes to theo and the cubs and leadership in sports fish. Going on man you are not. You don't have any announcements about stepping down from anywhere effective today. Do you know in fact. I can't wait to start working again. It's weird been weird. Eight eight months Of course for everybody but it'll be nice let the nba gets cooking again. Yeah it's fun to get some big sports news Here it's you know now that the games are just down to college football in the national football league. Although it's great having college football now playing on tuesdays and wednesdays so you do get something every single night. That's great but now to get some baseball news out some action no doubt about it got some baseball news. A lot of nba news already leading up to the draft into free agency so Yeah it's a pretty active time. Camp starts on december first The season starts december twenty second. The is wednesday night free agencies friday. I mean it's it it. It scares me. Chris because you know when the nba decided to go in the bubble and everyone wondered. Why are they waiting so long to start their games. They made their decision. They're coming back. Why are they waiting so long. Because they waited like a month and a half before even starting their camps and everyone wondered why they waited and my answer was very simple. It's because there are so many unknowns and during this time of covid when it comes to sports you know one question you can answer but it leads to another three questions in the nba wanted to have all their ducks in a row and is dotted t.'s crossed and and they did a wonderful job. As we saw the success of the bubble it was incredible but now we see what happens in football. We see what happened. You know in baseball at times. It's tough to the bubble work because you were in a bubble. It's tough to quarantine all human beings because if you run the restaurant or you're under the gas station. Are you run to the grocery store or anything you come in contact with people somewhere. There's a chance with that number of people someone's going to get it the bubble work because that wasn't the case the nba. It's scary because we're coming back so soon we don't even have a schedule yet for the nba. There's no schedule and we're two weeks from training camp. Preseason games are in four weeks and we don't. We don't know who who's playing. who yet. i understand that they right and it sounds right. Preseason games you don't know the season's going to be compacted into seventy two games. They won i understand. They wanna get back and scheduled. I understand it has a lot. Well do television money as well. I understand those things. I'm concerned because although they've been working for months since the bubble started they've been working on coming up with protocols and what will work and how they can make it successful but as we've seen in every sport there's no true answer because there's no true answer to this thing so i'm just concerned because in football you miss three or four guys. You can play basketball. You missed three or four guys. Well you don't have enough to feel the team and then how long do you have to quarantine. And how many games dimissed those up and you know none of that's been discussed and i know i always had faith in the nba. Always believe in adam. Silver i believe then. It'll work out. But i'm really concerned about it just because you haven't heard anything yet and It concerns me about the nba. Getting do so much so fast with right now not a lot of answers. Anything you know. I think the other thing fish that maybe fans don't take into account or if you're not super plugged in if you're not a part of the organization or the coverage broadcasts like you are is the mental toll that the last few months that you know get any seasons in probably and almost certainly had to take on the players some of them have spoken very openly about it. But whether you were completely bubbled like the nba or the nhl or you're in a major league baseball and you were walking essentially a tight rope act and maybe even part of a quarantine or a team that was forced to stop play like that's a lot to consider and sometimes it's fans we just say. When are they going to get started. We think about the physical implications of an off-season guys getting ready to go again physically but mentally. You know you're flipping a switch again. And you're going into another season with a lot of unknowns. You're going into another season not necessarily knowing how ol- impact your family. That's something that i'm sure is is being considered. It's something that's weighed heavily on. A lot of these guys fans fans may laugh at this but the bottom line is professional athletes of all sports mentally. It's very tough and like normal human beans. Even when you're not in a bubble even drive in pre pandemic right exactly and and just you know. The percentage of human beings who go through mental struggles. That's there and we heard players even come out about it. Paul george came out about it. John miranda hobbes even mentioned that it was you know in the bubble. It really got depressing because you were alone in you. You couldn't go anywhere and it just the games and you know what was going on with your family. I mean just so much was on their minds. It was a mental struggle in. So i think it's mentally this this year and it's been mentally hard on everybody they whether you're an athlete or not an athlete doesn't matter it. It's been tough the human race this last year and and it's been very difficult i think mentally for a lot of people What it comes down. It's the same thing that comes down to and baseball. It's the same thing that it's gonna come down to for the next year. There's really no arguing it. Here's the deal we can start here and you'll make this much money or we can start here and you can make this much money. Which one do you want to do. And the players agreed to start december. Twenty second play seventy two games. I mean it was a no brainer. Because of the money that the league that money generated by the league what they would lose by starting a month later was just such a huge amount of money that the players were going to take a hit. And i think right. Now it's this is gonna suck the off seasons been so short free agencies just a week before camp starts we gotta play seventy two games. The schedule is going to be nuts. We can't you know we kind of have to quarantine. i mean. This is going to be miserable. But everything's miserable right now. Nothing is normal right now. So if it means we're gonna make this much money or that much money. Okay fine will ply i mean and you just gotta deal with it. Everybody's dealing with something right now. You know some that. Don't have jobs you know. We want to go to that extreme. But everybody's dealing with stuff through and through this pandemic that you know. Sometimes you just gotta you got you're gonna have to suck it up and and try to try to do things that you you don't feel comfortable doing or you know just you know it's it's tough it's just really tough and you have to make difficult decisions right now and sometimes you have to make the decisions that it's just best free financially and i think that's what the players did prompt fisher hanging out. It's a tuesday on the chris. Rabi sean scoops with danny mac. As i mentioned fish we get some big news in the baseball offseason today. Really the first offseason domino to fall. Although it's not a player it's theo epstein who step aside as the cubs president of baseball operations jed hoyer the gm will succeed him epstein saying that you know this was always in the plans. He was planning on this happening next year after ten years but With everything and a lot of what you just mentioned over the last few months heading into this off season for a variety of reasons including decisions that will impact the future. The franchisee thought this was the right time. And i remember actually being in memphis. At our former radio stations sports fifty-six. I was watching television when epstein was introduced as the cubs general manager at the time and he made a comment that he believed in and he references again today. The bill walsh philosophy in terms of running team. Or i guess even running a company you know really the fact that if you're in a leadership role but especially in the sports industry a change in leadership after a decade can be beneficial for the organization with the individual and epstein once again steps away not necessarily focused solely on theo epstein. But when when you hear that and and that philosophy and when you see how different organizations have navigated maybe is staying too long. Maybe leaving a little too early. What comes to mind you think epsteins is sound here with all the uncertainty. That is in the air for baseball and sports over the next couple of months. I think some of us were content. Where we're at and we would be there forever. You know the job holds on. The money's right would stay there forever theo epstein different. He's like he's like a lot of college football coaches he knows he's great. He's proven it almost like a mercenary. He's he's ended to curses in baseball his last two jobs. I mean that that this he's a hall of famer biggest curses in sports. Yes he's a hall of famer but he's a guy and like i said it's like college football coaches it's about being challenged and it's about that next challenge already done that with the cubs and right now you know things are kinda with the cubs and it's like okay. So do i need to do it again or do i take on the next challenge already. Accomplished it here. I wanna world series for the chicago cubs for crying out loud i. I'm pretty satisfied with the job that i did. Where can my next challenge me. And i think that's the that's the interesting question now. Which team is that team. That's just been questioned the for years and they just can't get there and maybe the texas rangers something like that. Just go get a team and turn them into champion the new york yankees the. Why not the yankees. I brian cashman could follow the same philosophy that nothing good lasts forever. You know yeah nokia. No kidding i i think epsteins just a guy who loves champ being challenged and and frankly has lived up to those challenges. But you know in the same token sometimes. You're just there a long time and it just gets stale and you need need new voices and new faces. We see that in coaching. I think a lot you know. An example close to here is a national with jeff fisher. Things we're miserable at saint louis but in nashville got them to the super bowl. Got them to afc championship games. Got them division. Titles they want a lot of games even in their bag years. They were still winning a game. Seven games the last couple years. We're kind bad. And it. Just got to the point where it was just time to move on marty schottenheimer. The guy you know great success one of the all successful coaches except in the postseason and sometimes it's just time to move on mark richt at the university of georgia was just time to move on. You know. I mean. Look at the success. Mark richt pat and it was just you know. It's it's mac brown at texas mack brown texas. No question about it. bobby bowden at florida state. Those are the toughest when you just need to. You need to move on from a legend. I mean those are the moment when the lead when the legend wants to hang on. you know. sometimes it's just you gotta let him go but but you see those decisions. Go both ways. Joe man with the tampa bay rays. I mean you know that next challenge that next big job i mean did all he could with them and then goes to chicago and wins the title. So yeah i. I think sometimes it gets sale even even madden with the cubs. Right even met dubs because because he could be in the same boat as epstein like what was he going to do and anything would be compared to the world series and anything would be compared to that year and and anything short of that he was like i was driving around last year last summer so the last summer. That man was managing the cubs in chicago and listening to sports. Talk radio you would think that this guy had never won a game as the manager cups. No no doubt about it. I mean it was amazing because the success that they're having now. I mean theo in joe did that together. And they're their winning still winning divisions and making the play offs now. That's not good enough for the cubs holy cow. That's crazy. I mean you could even argue. I guess mike metheny in saint. Louis you know had great head great success but just just got to the point where some to move on you know just head to make a change so yes there are. There are a lot of those and it comes management or it comes from the individual themselves. They just feel like it's time to go move on the today but yes staleness can be a problem in sports because then you're just stuck in neutral and it's it's tough to get good draft picks up to make big trades. Just you're kind of stuck in the middle and something's got to change. Maybe he ends up In la with joe maddon with the angels. They don't have a general manager in their president of baseball operations Has been there for over a decade. And they've certainly struggled but he'll be connected to the matt said the phillies and he's be great. Yeah and you know a team that's been living in the dodgers shadow and has been spending a ton of money but not doing it. The right way kind of like the cubs maybe under jim hendry player and has and has the best player in the game. Yeah how how. How big challenges. How big of a challenge is the mets. The challenge is the angels. That's the challenge. Yeah because of not only you know the issues that they've had in again living in the shadow of the dodgers and all that but just like they've pretty much tried everything and it hasn't worked so yeah he says. Take this year off. But i agree with you man. I think so often to. It is easy for fans to say well. I can't believe that this guy would leave there. And he would walk away from this amount of money or he would leave. Like you know a cushy job. I wonder when it will happen for nick. Sabin like but it's hard to understand these guys motivations some point it probably will happen for saving. You know like i imagine. At some point he will want the next challenge. And i don't know when it will come. It might come in two years or five years or ten years but some point you you you get a little twitchy. If you don't then it's probably bad for everyone we've all been in that situation at work man. I mean we've all been in that situation where it can just get a little comfortable. You're going on autopilot. And for the sake of everyone involved. You've got to do something different or else you're not going to enjoy what you're doing profession. You're not going to be passionate about it and you're not going to bring your best every day. I believe say saban's biggest challenge. I believe is going to be figuring out when it's enough because you don't want to out like bobby bowden went out you know and i think sabin big enough of a competitor that he'd go out on top but while you're on top it looked nephews. Good up there. And you have the number one recruiting class coming back. So it's like all right. Well why not do it again in another year so i think his biggest challenge is going to be decided when he's done. I mean he's old. I don't know if he can go to. I mean what. What's a better challenge in college. Football alabama none. I won't get hired in the pros at this. Point is career so his biggest challenge is going to be deciding when to hang it up. And i think for some. That's a that's a very difficult decision. But what he's done it can hanging up whenever he wants. I mean he's he's got a lifetime contract in alabama at this point but soda pop soda. Bobby bowden. yeah. Yeah same with bill belichick right like if the patriots are indeed in the midst of a rebuild and not even maybe leaving the organization but at some point does he want to focus on being the general manager and building. The team does he need to be on the sidelines. Does he need to be involved in every aspect is the challenge for him bringing someone in to do that. And overseeing the football operations at some point if you're robert kraft the patriots depending on how the next year two goes you know. This is the future of the franchise. This is the next maybe decade or two decades. What happens over the next couple of years as you depart from brady and bringing a new Just a a new organizational philosophy perhaps so at what point is it time to move in a different direction for everyone involved. Does bill check. Does he have a does. He have another job. It does yes he is he like. I don't know like like does bella checked his popovich. Like right and pop. Popovich is a great one to and and and belichick. I wonder. I don't know. I mean if bill belichick decided you know what time in new england. It's been amazing. It's just it's it's time we move on and we part ways he go. Coach dallas cowboys. I don't know man. I don't know we'll and if he decides it's time to no longer be the head coach. Would it be enough of a challenge for him to run the club and not be on the sidelines. Yeah i don't know. I mean that's that's like sabin where you have to make the decision of am i ready to make a change. You know chapter change in my life not just changed jobs and take on a new challenge. This is this change profession basically and and take on that job. Could you imagine bella. Check sabin package deal somewhere. That'd be fun. Bellichik runs the team team because the things sabin was bad at the. Nfl was the personnel stuff like famously. Didn't he choose dante. Culpepper over drew brees. yes yeah. So yeah he. Because he wasn't recruiting anymore. It was these were. These were grown players who who already had experience in the nfl. He didn't eat. It really have much of knowledge of that at that point but I don't know. I i don't i don't think sabin oh coach anywhere other then alabama The rest of his career. I think i think bill. I think bill belichick coach somewhere else. I think bill belichick decided to part ways with new england. Whether it's this year or next year he'd be on everybody's list. Absolutely i mean he's one of the greatest of all time and i just wonder what sort of challenge bill belichick would want because you know in the nfl. Jerry sloan head coach hall of famer the late jerry. Sloan of the utah jazz. One of the greatest coaches and nba history of at once asked him about mark veroni. Who was the grizzlies coach. For a short period of time and i've only played under sloan in the league and i asked what he thought of. I've only as a coach. He just looked at me. The crust the old man that he was and said you can't win the kentucky derby with a jackass son jerry. Sloan owns a great one to that. That's a great example. Also yes no question. No doubt about jerry. Sloan is a great example of a guy that just it. It was time to move on and change coaches and one of the greatest of all time and one of the crusty men of all time. But that's the deal so if you're taking another job in the nfl. Is bill belichick. You'd better go somewhere that you think they got a chance to win in one hundred percent. I mean we we here in basketball to mike. Schakowsky has been connected to jobs. Tom izzo how many times it's connected to jobs. He saw john beeline leave. A good thing in michigan go you know kind of manda. Titanic for a bit with the cleveland cavaliers until ended and he'll he'll get another job in college basketball but i don't know man who sometimes the grass isn't always greener but other times like the and you can go and turn a couple of different franchises around. I guess it's different when you know. Just the jump from college to the professional level in basketball or football is just such a drastic drastic drastic difference. And we don't really ever see anyone from collegiate baseball. You know get plucked into a major league baseball organization. It's all kind of guys that have come up in baseball. And whether it's a front office job or job in the dugout of the coaching staff. That's how it works. But i guess just the reason. It doesn't work or the reason. There are so many examples of it. Not working from college to the pros is that it's really really really really hard. Well not only that but again if if if you're getting that job you're taking over a crappy team. I mean they're not they're not just firing a guy to you know for fun you know. It's it's it's very rare. I mean you might have a coach. Who leaves you know. And and it's the end of his career you know he's he's retired in any like tony. Larussa leaves a great organization because he's not going to be a manager anymore and you know my machine gets that job and it happens in football where you have the great coach. You want bob stoops. Who leaves lincoln. Riley gets that job but but as far as making that transit. Billy donovan is a great example. And billy donovan did a heck of a job i mean. He's he's. He's taking over a pretty good team but dealing with a lot of issues for a team that was done in transition. Yes it's it's it's very rare that you have the ability donovan's of the world. But because more likely you. Have steve spurrier who goes to a terrible. A washington team you have you have a i mean and basketball lon kruger. Who went to a terrible hawks team. Jerry arcadian terrible spurs team. I mean normally coaches aren't getting fired when the teams good so a lot of times. You know you might take that gamble on the college coach but you don't win within three years you're going to get fired and you know it's it's it's tough to do because if you're a college coach and you get that opportunity it's tough to turn it down. But the odds are you're not gonna have a lot of success. I think guy this year who just got heart matt ruled on carolina panthers that's an organization that's they they weren't that bad. You know that ron rivera. Another great example. It was just it was. It was time to move on from ron rivera. Despite having great success with the carolina panthers it was just time to move on and they move on and they go get matt rule. I think he could have success in the nfl because he's not taken over a team. That's the dumps. He's taken over a team. That's pretty decent. And if he can coach he can make them more decent at least so. But it's like jerry. Sloan said it's about having players man and if you don't have the players it's very difficult and it makes the job extremely extremely difficult rob fisher joining us on the chris. Rock show on scoops. With danny mac dot com about some action tonight. You fired up for some action. I am fired up for some sports betting his legal in the state of tennessee and So i've been on the app enjoying action five zero in my match in place over the last two weeks. Oh can you tease us with a little. Can you give the people a little action action right now. In the show it'd be both games can stay and buffalo tonight. Take both take kent state. They're akron and bowling green. Or both two of the worst teams in the mac and they're both planned tonight. Huge huge lines but give the points take buffalo and take Kent state tonight. And if you'd like the under in the kent state game. I liked that a little bit. I like that a little bit. But i like the big point spreads on the other two. How's how's that sound man. I'm just giving out plays. Let's see kent state and buffalo. Okay check out my podcast. The odds couple weekly talking. Sec football in the national football league the couple wherever you subscribe to your podcasts. The odds couple of course part of grind city media can't stay dry and buffalo and that's the six o'clock game seven o'clock oh ohio and miami were cancelled tonight. Those camps yeah was canceled. That's give the people what they want to shane. Kent state lane twenty six and a half buffalo lane. Thirty one and a half. Wow all right. we're doing this. Those are your take both favorites. Those are your ten star triple platinum. Lock it up rolex on the wrist locks. I like those both favorites. Well how how about how about this. Okay i i go buy a one two three star. Play just one. Two three are my stars fish. That's that's a system. That's a poor system to us because then you can't you know ten twenty. Ten times is confident for people. When you make your picks. Should i go five. Ten twenty for matching. You know five ten for action okay. Last week my ten star plays last week in college football seven and one just one no on my twenty star play last week. Which was the florida. Gators you're telling me that. I could have accumulated ninety total stars last week if i had taken your plays and hundred. That's not even counting the first heart. Oh shit what was the five star record. It was like eleven and nine. Okay well throughout the nine losses. That's fifty five more points. Where at a hundred and forty five points stars not points stars starts starts gave him away units units. We're going units. I'm calling mute. Do you classify buffalo and kent state as Where are we look up into the sky. Gimme a little astrology. They're both star players right both both star place tonight. Lock it up throwing to ten throwing up. I'm so hot right now on the mac. I'm so hot right now. On the mac. Thrown out to ten star. Plays right now tonight. On tuesday coming up after the break feel epstein to kent state why it might make sense for baseball man to pick up a pigskin in mac country that's next also would the. Us be better at soccer. If lebron james played soccer growing up that's my take because the. Us apparently played panama. And they did. Could you imagine lebron striker just in our country. We don't soccer at the take right there. Someone is talking about that somewhere on sports radio this year or today no doubt about no doubt especially this weekend i mean this weekend you might even get a pete rose hall of fame discussion native american mascots maybe by they still around should our best athletes go to the olympics to play golf next summer. Not worth it. I'm focused on the domestic product. I used to host national radio on weekend for six hours. That's hard six six our show not taking called just talking about stuff well. Let's preview the college football championship right now. Tommy tied from the roll tide. Times joins us. Tommy alabama by. How many and would alabama beat. The cleveland browns. How many rob fisher. We've got twenty stars on the line tonight. Buffalo and kent state. What is your thanks. Thanks man man anytime from you. See pro scott assign let's research.

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Hour 1: Duke Basketball

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

34:51 min | 2 years ago

Hour 1: Duke Basketball

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Switch to Joel check OJ UL. Dot com slash sports. If you don't smoke Vate don't start warning. This product contains nicotine nicotine is an addictive chemical. The Dan lebatardshow with this to got spot casts. I do not want to hyperventilate. I do not want to be prisoner of the moment. But walked in here today and his good morning was simply to say, oh, we were wore shipping. You know? We are. It was it felt a little roster and felt it felt a little wonderful and it felt a little high. So statement Gundy's in with us, and I've never seen. John Calipari Kentucky looked like that. I've never seen a team of his look like that get that kind of overwhelmed by talent discrepancy Kentucky was out there last night. I mean Duke has all of the players. It is one game. There are weird results at the start of a season. All the time all the time. But STAN what the hell was that last night? Because it looks like Duke is going to go ahead and do this fab five thing, except they're three guys are going to be better than all of the fab five. I don't know about that being better than all of the fab five. But yeah, they've got an incredible amount of talent. I think you know, it is early. But based on one game. I mean, I think you're going to be able to say even right now that they've got the most talent in the country that doesn't mean they'll end up the best team. But but they definitely have the most talent. Well, what what I've seen though, here's what I would say is what I saw last night. And I don't know what to do with this stand because they're young they're going to grow. They're gonna Volve and it's just a one game sample, but that's the best collection of young talent. I've seen now. I don't know if it's real, but them them making coach cow looked like that them taking the coach cow model doing what you know. The Red Sox have done by learning the moneyball stuff and then throwing money at it. They've done they're doing the cow stuff. And now they're throwing the Duke at it. And what it allow it will make them out? Obama like if they if they keep getting the the top three guys if if Duke is going to get their hands dirty in the academics game and just and be okay. With the idea of hey, we've got to compete with Cao. They can throw the Alabama stuff at college basketball. And what do you do with it? If they don't have the higher academic standards and keep them there in a way that doesn't allow everybody to get in you enjoy it you embrace it. You watch it because last night was fun, Dan. I haven't had excited for an opening game of the college basketball season. I can't even remember the last time. And when I watched last night was super exciting. I'm what do you do with it? I don't know you just embrace it. Like, what are you going to? It's a little bit different right with football. You can almost guarantee yourself some success. I don't know if that's the same with one in Duns in college basketball. I don't know if you can guarantee yourself the level of talent that I'm looking at yesterday where Zion Williamson cannot be stopped. And he's there third-best recruit. He's he is he is considered the third best pro prospect. What are you seeing? First of all dukes got everything. Right. Because STAN they've got the America's team stuff where they're annoying and their hated. And they they are a national team. They're not original team. No matter who plays for them. But they've never done this where. Okay freshman, here's the ball. Now. All of a sudden stand they got Calipari talking about experience. They got him babbling about experience how he's got the experience players because he doesn't have the talented ones aren't those. Well, look, though Duke has been doing this for a while. I mean, I granted the talent levels even higher, but they won the national championship with Okafor and Winslow. When all of those guys were freshmen so dukes been on this path and been competing with teams like Kentucky for players for the one in Duns for a while. Look, they're no different academically than anybody else. They're not superior. Let's drop all of that. That Duke is about winning basketball games period. And they're very good at it. But I do agree with. Stugatz. You're not going to get a dynasty with one and done players. I mean, remember now people said that was what was going to happen at Kentucky. You know? This is going to be a dynasty. He's getting all these you can't build a program that's going to win year after year after year with one and done. It's just too volatile in terms of who you get. It's not going to be like Alabama who you know, who they've got coming back every year. It's not going to be like Alabama football. But dukes, always good. And they'll always be talented. There's no doubt about that. Have you been following this college basketball trial because I'd like you to help us understand when Dan Wetzel comes on with us and he's covering these trials and he's saying that under sworn testimony. You're basically getting the idea that Creighton has to spend one hundred thousand dollars of you know, not legal money. To get a starter. That's the going rate in college basketball through these sneakers systems and whatnot. How was Duke getting the top three guys? And how can you say that anyone in this sport is clean when one hundred thousand dollars is what it costs, according to testimony for Creighton to have a starter yet. Look, I have been following it closely and. I'm not going to get on here. And accuse anybody because I don't know you can read between the lines. If that's what's happening in college basketball that all of these players are getting paid and certain schools have the best players. I mean, you you sort of figure it out on your on your own on on. What's happening? Look, I it's just the way the game is played now. And I don't have any problem with the players getting paid what I've had problems with in this whole trial is that some of the assistant coaches who will actually now go on trial after the first of the year. One of the things they're charged with is taking money to funnel players to certain agents. I've got a problem with that. Because these players should be out looking for the best representation possible. And when you're just basically selling them out to put money in your own pockets. I've got. A problem with that? But the rest of this. None of it is surprising, except to the pollyannish people out there who want to think that their school or all of college athletics. Is this clean amateur basketball? You now model I it's absolutely ridiculous. This is how the game is played. It has been for a long long long time. And I don't think anything that comes up in these trials is going to change anything if it were up to stand those two guys he's told us this before he would just burn down the NCAA. What would you do? Then I give you all the power in the world and tell you to sweep it over college sports. How are you changing it? Well, the ideal to change it would be to get sports out of the colleges and and do the European model. Like, you have sports clubs soccer, basketball, whatever go play there. And then if you also want an education do that why we tie the two together. I'm not really sure. But in our. System. I actually will actually like my brother's idea, which is, you know, just go ahead and let the kids play at Duke. And if they wanna go to school on the side, they can but they're basically just playing for Duke. And if they don't want to go to class, they don't go to class, and if you wanna pay him pay him, whatever you think is is fair. I mean, you know, just go ahead. Whatever you want to pay him. You wanna pay a guy quarter of a million dollars, raise it from your boosters? Go ahead, and do it let let's just put it all look when things are like this to me. Let's just bring it out in the open, and we can publicize guys salaries, and and the whole thing and they can go out and play. That's what I would do is all of this going to come apart because you say trials aren't going to do it. When guys start going to college and start explaining to us. I can't take the pay cut to go to the G league. Oh, look, there's no question. I mean, one of the things with the whole G league things they can go for a hundred and twenty five thousand so you can take one hundred twenty five thousand go play for a year in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. Okay. In front of marginal crowds, or you can take that much or more and go to a major college and play in front of twenty thousand people that really care about the results and stuff like that. I don't I don't think too many kids are going to choose the the G league. And the idea of that they can get paid as if they're not getting paid in in college is pretty, but I loved the idea of a guy choosing a school and then announcing addict. Yeah, their offer was fifty thousand dollars better than the one. I had from the G league. What I like even more. Dan is them announcing you know, it came down to these two schools and school a offered me fifty thousand dollars. And they they offer. Daddy attractor. That's what's happening. So let's just let's just be honest about it. If you're a smoker, you know, switching isn't easy. You've tried vapes. Andy six they just didn't deliver the satisfaction you expected but jewel is different. It's not an e cigarette it's vapor product that actually satisfies plus Julie simple to use. And there's no cigarette. 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But please tell me that it's true because I've never seen that happen to coach cow where it gets buried quite like that. But Mike and stugatz yours is the more interesting conversation that you were having explained to me the the websites that you were looking at. And what it is that you guys are tracking. We were just tracking the Duke rosters. See Duke does coach K. It's it's really it's genius. And the magic trick is he'll always have a couple of guys on the roster who looked like they're actually there for academics there for school. They don't look like they belong. And this year's guys it is Jack white and Alex O'Connell. I mean, they don't look like they belong on that team is they're they're gonna four jarring. Jarring say what you want. Are. We talking about white staffs. Are you cues ING Duke bench of littering itself with white stiffs in order to give off more amateurs, Jack white? He's Australian so he's kind of good. He played a lot. But I don't know if he played a lot because it was a huge blow out, but he actually logged thirty minutes, which is an insane amount considering you know, what he looks like compared to everybody else on the team. However O'Connell played eleven minutes. I'm not sure we can count on that consistently and the lower you go down the down. The listen this box score the more you can kind of figure out there's a pattern here. Okay. Has stand van Cundy noticed that had earned at the end of the Duke bench. A bunch of guys who let's just say don't look like Zaylon learning. There's not anybody that looks like Zion. Very very unique. Physical specimen and a very unique player. So nobody looks like him. But no, I haven't noticed that at the end of their bench. What I noticed with them is got a heck of a lot of talent you not notice. Okay. That all came there, by the way, every one of them came there because of the Duke education, Mike, what would the website? What was? I watched the training show on ESPN pause called earn everything. It's a hard knock Sal show and like hard knocks. They try to concentrate on some of the interesting end to the bench characters people that might get cut or not. So you can get investing care all of these children because that's what they look like children aren't going to play at all. It's so obvious because they're standing in team photos and guarding people like Zion and RJ Barrett in practice and I'm scared for them legitimately. Stan. I remember, okay. Keep in mind when when I was in college a million years ago, the university of Miami never lost a home football game. While I was there and I walked into the locker room as a student, and I'm saving their, you know, Jerome Brown and Alonzo Highsmith, and I'm like, wait a minute. These are not my peer in any way. I am I have. Pimple on my face. All these are these are men. But because it was my first college experience, I'm like, okay. This is what college players looked like then Miami went on probation and I walked into the locker room, and I'm like, oh, okay. This is more like it. I can make this wait a minute later. Okay. These are college students, and what do is out there right now, if I put that in professional uniforms, if I if I just told you STAN if I took what what they were putting out there, and I put let's say the kings uniforms on them. And I throw them out there against the pistons, you think fit just physically, I know the skills are on what not but just physically those look like man, those don't look like kids. There's no question. Yeah. Physically they would definitely fit in the NBA. But you're talking about about guys that are going to be you know, high lottery picks next year. So you've only got a year to wait before they are playing in the NBA. They're physically ready, they're athletic and very very good players. I mean, the chances are bare it Williamson. I mean, those guys are going to be, you know, playing in producing next year in the NBA very well. So we're only year away from that. Speaking of the kings, a very bad year for them to be good. They're not going to be that good. They're not going to be maybe right at the bottom. They'll show some improvement. But but don't worry about that, Stu guy. I mean, if you're worried about the kings being good, and it's gonna cost them. I I would say that's not anything that should keep you up at night. They're not going to be that guy hates McCain aides. You can get him on this king's bandwagon, San reddish Williamson and RJ Barish at the very least those are three of the top four picks in the NBA draft lottery. If I put them on an NBA team right now, how long before they get maybe changing chip level good. If I can keep them all together. Well, you mean the three of them. Yeah. Yeah. The same take Duke basketball right now. And I say this is an NBA team. What does that look like right now in the NBA how many years before they get fully online to the point that they can maybe compete for Jason with O'Connell? I'm white no way. They're going to be the worst team in the league coming out of the box initially, but they have arguably three top picks in this NBA draft playing for their team right now. Like, if he would have kept together that Kentucky Rosser, you would have had boogie cousins, Anthony Davis and so on and so forth. So we saw them together last year, by the way, they were not championship level. Yeah. So so so there's a point. I it's way too early to tell Mike and understand your point. And and it's a good one. If you can get three guys who are really high draft picks and keep them together. You've got a chance of being very very good. But let let's let these guys play a few more game. No. So we decided wreath and. Oh, look, there's a lot of good players columnists. And I'm not taking these guys down in. But they're going to play against other good people. They're not winning every game by thirty. Now. You are not a good enough gas bag yet. You're not in midseason for. You're not understanding dad is right, though, the winning by forty see yesterday, we talked to somebody who said it was Reese, David. I'm like why is Duke number four? Why is do come before responses? I'd like to see them play a game. I have now seen them play that game. I stand I wish for you to proclaim them the best team we've ever seen and stop with. There's tap the breaks, and we can wait and see we all know, we can wait and see STAN let's go inflame the rhetoric now that's not what I do. I mean, look I mean it's one game. It was a great game. They've got great talent. But a lot can go on over the next few months in including they're gonna play against other good players coaches will will be able to gain. Mm plan for them better. You know, the more they see them a lot of things are going to change. It doesn't mean they're not going to be really good. Clearly, they are. But they're not going to be that much above everyone else. And before we put them in the best team ever category. Let's let's let them go through a season. None defeat out just cut off his mind. You know, I want him Marvin. Just shut up. This gambling shut up. Just be quiet chopping. Had our dose of nuance. And somehow the Celtics are going to get all four of those guys. I don't know how they got peg stashed away somewhere or they're going to get a couple of these guys. I think all four and I'm including O'Connell donlevatar aby cousin big dog. I got pups bigger than airbud are you aware? But why I'm not at practice? I'm a need seventeen because twenty six is a savage. Stugatz. Say the franchise should be enough. Pockets of professor klump. Let me get back to my day. I can't keep showing buddy. Love these live at our show with stugatz on ESPN radio. I miss breaking. Ben do put it on the poll. You miss you, miss breaking bad whenever I binge something. I think breaking bad. It's like my first love, it's my it was the first thing that I've binged on the watch better call Saul does that sort of scratch, your rich at all couldn't get into it. Now, it wasn't as well done. Even after the first couple of episodes. We're well. Done. They weren't that kind of well-done though. Stan Van Gundy in with us as he is Wednesdays during basketball season, he loves his baseball. And I wanted to get into this story involving THEO Epstein and Joe Madden, THEO obscene. It can be argued is one of the best sports executives ever. He did a couple of things before the age of forty that. No one had done with the Red Sox and the cubs and Joe Madden is by all accounts except for stugatz. Who always makes fun of Joe Joe Madden is considered a pioneer and exceptional CEO type an exceptional manager of people and personalities he's considered ahead of the game in terms of data and just management style. Very smart, dude. And now THEO Epstein, these are too smart dudes at the top of that particular organization and organization that under their watch is better than it's ever been. And he is saying to Joe Madden, you're entering the fifth and final year of your deal. And this is the quote from Epstein, we're really focused on digging in and finding ways to get the absolute most of two thousand nineteen Joe understood the only concern expressed is it could be a bit of a distraction at some point. I decided the best thing was to get that news out now. So THEO Epstein has decided in November. Hey, we're not extending Madden. And he's hoping that it goes away before spring training. What do you make of that? Stan is someone who's been in both positions as president and coach. Well, well, first of all he he's living in fantasy land. The story's not going away. It will be v story day one of spring training next year, and it will continue all year if they get off to a good start. They're going to wonder why they don't extend him if they get off to a bad start. It'll be mad. On the hot seat. I mean, we can all see the stories coming. So will it be a distraction? Of course, it will. But these things happen all the time. I mean, the tension between front offices and coaches in this case managers is there all the time. And there are some organizations. I would cite the Celtics in our league, certainly San Antonio people like that who really are all on the same page moving forward. But there's those situations are rare in most cases, there's a fight between the front office in in managers coaches, whatever depending on the sport, he's three eighty seven and two sixty one and he's won the World Series. As as the cubs manager. You surprised at THEO is noncommittal the Joe, Matt? And that seems odd. I'm I do think it's weird. I I'm not clear on what the play is other than okay? These are our new. Cubs standards. We are playing for the title every single year period. Are you doing radio are you actually taking the side of Joe Madden and the Suge? No, I'm not taking the side of Joe Madden. But I'm the only dope who've used Joe Madden. The way. I've you Joe Madden. I'm surprised. Theo Epstein agrees with me. Sure, he agrees with you. But things like he does that. Well, maybe but but here's the thing. You gotta understand. So the steel Epsteins the general manager Madden works for him. But the teens other job obviously is to acquire players and all of those guys wants you to believe that they have the best team. So THEO Epstein thought is I've put the best team on the field. Geez. We should win the World Series. And we didn't. So it's gotta be Joe Madden's fault. Because certainly not my fault as the GM that maybe my roster had holes. Now can't be that. And so you get to hang the coach out to dry and in most situations, the general managers allowed at least three or four head coaches or managers before he's ever accountable for what's going on there. And that's the part quite honestly that that coaches have to deal with all the time because these GM's, of course, you got the players. Of course, you. You think they're good? And they are good. But maybe they're not the best roster. That might be a possibility that the St. might have to look at it should be noted. Yes. Stands done both jobs. But when he was president his coach was him. So I think he was his coach stunk and when he was coach his president stunk. And actually I'd agree with both of those. That's why I'm sitting here. Talking to you. I wanted to ask you as I'm gonna make that slightly worse out. There was a time that I believe that STAN Van Gundy could have aggressively put his hat in the Golden State ring instead of the Detroit ring, but he wanted to go with Detroit at least in part because he felt very comfortable with their ownership with Detroit ownership, and so he didn't really pursue the Golden State job that became what it became. And with that as the context, and I ask you this. If Jerry Jones fires Jason Garrett is that a job that you look at and say, that's a coveted job being a coach for that kind of owner. You know, what I would think? So, and I would only say that I would only say it from this standpoint there has been stability here lately. It's not like Jason Garrick came in there. And we're getting rid of him in one year or two years. You know, they stood behind him. And I think all coaches know, at some point, you know, the results are going to have to be there. It's not a matter of whether it's your fault or not. It's just that if the results aren't there, you know, you're going to go that's just part of the business. But this is an this wouldn't be a quick cook. In Dallas, it's a job with a lot of resources. So I think it would be a very coveted job. Jacquin chatting time for some ads. You wouldn't like to work for an owner. Like that stand. You would not that's not something. You would enjoy doing meddlesome owner is not something that I think STAN van Gundy's and join a whole lot. I don't know about that. It all depends on I don't know enough about Jerry Jones. But it seems to me public comments. He's been very supportive guy. But a guy just wanting to be there all the time and be around. I don't have any. No, it's not it's wrong. What he says that it's press conferences after games and he questioned a fourth down. Call the other day after a loss loss. Well, listen. I mean, there's always going to be some things. I don't care. There's always going to be some things you don't like like, and that's true in every boss everywhere. But there's no doubt about that. But I look the thing you have to understand as a coach all the time. Is it's his team. It's not your team. This guy is idea that some coaches have listened my team in the owner should stay out of the way. I mean, that's ridiculous. It's his team. And he decides what he's going to do. And that's every boss everywhere. So I don't think he's necessarily doing anything wrong as far as whether you enjoy it or not I'm going to guess that with Jerry Jones are some parts you really enjoy like the great financial support that he gives the Johnny Walker blue Johnny Walker blue, right? The paychecks since stuff you probably don't like, but I don't think that makes him different than anybody else. Support for the day lebatardshow podcast comes friends at rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans. Let's talk about buying a home for a minute because of rising interest rates. There's a lot of unpredictability when it comes to buying a home these days, it's causing a lot of anxiety and stress for a lot of people. Well, our friends at Quicken Loans or doing something about that. They're calling it the power buying process. Here's how it works. Wicked lows will verify your income your as. 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Live at our show with they're still God's on ESPN radio. So we've been talking about Duke basketball on morning and Bomani Jones is gonna join us at eleven o'clock eastern because something that is very good for college basketball. Even in the middle of this trial is that particular team having the Kentucky players and then doing that to John Calipari yesterday, which I don't believe any of us have seen right is that I haven't looked at any of the numbers. If you guys looked up the numbers on this game. And and whether or not indeed, it's true that Kentucky because I don't I that seems hard to believe Stu gods that that Kentucky hadn't allowed that kind of point total in the first and second half since nineteen eighty nine just taking that step from someone who sent it to me. I haven't been able to verify look it up, and the fact that they lost by that much. I'm guessing that hasn't happened in a while either. So STAN gun he wants to be the first to tell you the tap the breaks, even if you're just arriving now. Out to this story. And just learned that Duke slaughtered Kentucky last night. Stan Van Gundy wants to plant his flag on let's go ahead and take a closer look at this over many many games because and it is correct early in seasons. The results in college basketball can be weird when they start playing those Hawaii games or whatever, and or the Bahamas games, and nobody nobody why you don't know who out. There was wrong. I was a fairly recent year after Kentucky one and NC double a championship under Calipari twenty twelve twenty thirteen season they actually played in the and they had a loss to Tennessee by thirty points. It wasn't fist scoring total. But they weren't good. I get why standards. Ain't tap the breaks on this particular team. I don't think anyone really cares about the team that much stand. What happened is I n has banned YouTube sensation forever. And you saw them play against a really good Kentucky team. It's really not about do because we all know these kids are going to be there for a year. It's really about these guys. Nobody that all of it those gods because it's not just that. You've got the three three best players. You've also got one of them who happens to be a circus. Freak who STAN Van Gundy is telling you, wait a minute. I've never seen someone physically who can do those things. But I think fan saw that last night with their own eyes. And so some of that talk the mystique was validated. And so they're excited Zion play for Duke, but also excited to see that point ask you this stand because I'm all for the idea of what's happening out. According to sports net stats on Twitter, Kentucky's loss to do quite thirty four points. It's the largest margin defeat in cal- cars NCWA coaching career. Previous Mark was thirty three points in eighty nine. Okay. So his entire career. Not just the Kentucky career his entire career. And what I would ask you this stand. I understand perspective is good. Don't be prisoner the moment don't hyperventilate. But when they've got the circus freak they got the fab five element of attitude. They've got a historic program that. People love and people love to hate when you look at what's happening here. What would they have had to do last night for you to say, you know, what I I don't want to apply perspective here. I'm going to hyperventilate how much more impressive. Would you have liked them to be STAN Van Gundy? Discerning critic tap, the breaker guy. Well, no, I mean, they couldn't have done anymore. That's as impressive performance as you'll see all season long and probably have seen in a long time. I mean, putting it in perspective. It was a it was a great great performance. But are those three guys going to be able to perform at that level all of them in the same game on any kind of consistent basis? We we have no idea on that certainly hitting on all cylinders like they were last night. Those three guys were really really impressive. And that was an incredibly impressive game. So I'm not downplaying that. But you gotta do it over. Thirty five games over. The course that's fine. But I would love to see this team get off undefeated Stu gods because that's what I would love to see in college sports a phenomenon. Something man. I miss those fab five days, I missed the electricity. The personality people hating on a team so hard w undefeated headed into ACC play. I mean, keep in mind. What's going to happen next? Yeah. That's off game against Kentucky. And then it's army eastern, Michigan San Diego State in. I wanted them to get off to one of these starts that feels like UNLV of Larry Johnson all those years ago because it'll be they'll be cognitive dissonance on seeing Duke doing that coming at you with thundering athleticism con man, there Leitner there slapped the court there grace Allen there JJ Radic. I was shocked to find out the Grayson Allen is no longer playing for Duke last night. Whoa. Whoa, jr. Played for them and slap the court. And now look at what's happened Mamani Jones hyperventilate s- with us next. My name is Lauren. I'm thirty three. I didn't want my identity to be this smoking mom my first experience with jewel. I do remember being like distance good. It's it's it's like a cigarette. But not I don't miss smoking at all Mike, I can officially say it grosses me out jewel is the tobacco alternative that delivers nicotine satisfaction without cigarette. Ashra lingering odor make the switch and J dot com slash sports. Warning. This team nicotine is an addictive chemical.

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Starting 9 Episode 211 - Shane Bieber

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Starting 9 Episode 211 - Shane Bieber

"Welcome back to starting gall who eleven. Oh shit to eleven. We got a burglary in progress. Steel reserve not the official sponsor a to eleven but drake up folks a always making it about stockton. Wow what a show we have for you guys today. Some baseball news. We've got an interview with shane. Bieber the young award. I don't know if you know this he did What's the word some bitch. you unanimous. Yup he everyone was like yeah pretty much like if you if you were to be in the room. When the votes were submitted and then counted they were just like bbb bbb. How many times can you say bieber route fucking it up. Beer be like to be bieber. Bieber b b b b bbb berbie That's a hell of a run. That's a good run and that's what the voting looked like when all the al cy young awards were counted. Which is awesome that he's going to be on the show today. we've got some. We've got some news to discuss and a little teaser for a show down the road. I mean as you know if you remember the grounds crew. You know that we have an interview with jock. Peterson in the bank already. You've got pete fairbanks. We just finished our interview with pete fairbanks of the tampa bay rays and that interview was fucking great. I'm gonna tell you right now. I want to do nothing but slam beers and repeaters g. men and i were to be stranded on a desert island with a member of the race. I would have g. men. Choi drop me and pete fairbanks off on that island. Yeah p fairbanks is. He's guy that's a dude right there. He we went for an hour. So that'll probably what next next week's interview but just so that you know. The first question was about his eyes and his his inability to blink. When he's on the mound. And i told him prior to the interview at some point during this hour. Long sit down. I will be challenging you to a staring contest and it will be zero seconds of a heads up. Just be prepared that it's coming. You don't know when it's coming. And i threw down the challenge. And you'll have to tune in next week to find out who won. It was incredible. Don't it'll tell you this. Don't read everything you see on the internet because those could be those could be. It could be fake news. That's what we call. Bait will switch bait and switch. The cubs will be switching directors of operations. What is going on koran. Is this a matter. Does looking on the other side of the fence and going you know what grass looks slow greater over there. I don't know about that so let's boil it down to this. Let's go let's go way back. Let's go back to the red sox days with the o- obscene in boston. Two things happened to one thing was done. Another thing was said during theo. Epstein's tenure as general manager with the boston red sox. The first thing that i want to bring up is in two thousand and six lot of people forget this. The red sox were going in a direction. Larry lucchino john henry. There was a power struggle with with these individuals. And maybe they were telling theo to do things that he didn't necessarily wanna do as the general manager and theo's one of those guys dallas is one of those guys. You can't tell me what to do. I'm fucking. I'm not fucking if you're gonna hire me to do a job. I'm going to do the job you're telling me to do otherwise. Find someone else to fucking do it. And that's what did they were trying to do. All these certain things and theo. That's not how. I want to run or build this team. If i'm going to attach my name to the results at the end of the year than this is going to be my team my decisions. My people my personnel my players across the board. Well the red sox tested him on that and he was like you know what i'm fucking out of here. That's where the gorilla suit came in. He he left. Fenway and a gorilla suits that no one could track them down and ask him questions and he had this period where he was gone in the off. Season of two thousand. And six. and you you might recall this kind of changed course of red sox history forever because the scene was on the record as saying i'm never going to trade hanley ramirez. He's our top prospect. We fucking love hanley. That's my guy. Hanley ramirez in the whatever. It was month or two months that the scene was on leave of absence from the organization bench sherrington and jed hoyer takeover and general managers of the red sox. They take hanley ramirez an animal sanchez. And turn that into josh beckett and michael the and world series. Mvp for the boston. Red sox in two and seven hanley ramirez about hanley ramirez goes on to have a nice little career with the marlins but the red sox get themselves a championship during that time. Where theo is on the record. Saying no i would not have made that move but it resulted in a championship. The other thing that i want to bring up with stein is during his time at the at the latter years with boston. He said everybody in this in this business in this industry has a shelf life. He talked about managers having a shelf. Life this was towards the end of the terry francona era in boston. He was referring to himself. Yes i came here dan. Do cats fingerprints were all over that championship in two thousand four. Two thousand seven now as me that was me and then it kinda got ugly at the end there. Two thousand eleven with the collapse so theo was out and then he went to chicago and remember the the magazine cover. I don't remember which magazine it was. But it was an image of theo epstein walking on water you epstein is going to be savior here in chicago and he was twenty six teams took. It took a few years of some really shitty cubs teams and losing but he said by into the process. We're going to make the chicago cubs a drafting and development machine. We're going to supplement those pieces with international free agents. We're going to supplement that with free agent signings some of those free agent signings than work but from the drafting and development machine aspect of things. It's hard to argue that his model did not work it. did they wanna title. But then from there. We don't know what happened. The wheels fell off. And and i think i've mentioned this quotes you dallas on the show before it got swept under the rug for whatever reason. I don't remember if it was after seventeen or eighteen. I think it might have been eighteen. John lester paraphrasing here. He kind of called out his teammates in implied that there was some complacency like. Hey we won in sixteen. But like i want another one like we can't just fall back on sixteen and be like another first round exit. We didn't we made the playoffs. We didn't quite you know it's a crapshoot. Once you get there who knows. I mean that's you're talking to a guy that already had two rings before he got to chicago this guy that you know. He was a big piece of thousand sixteen but that was his third ring he wanted a fourth. He wanted a fifth in the cubs. Were talented enough to get those fourth and fifth for john. Lester the second. And the third for the theo epstein era in chicago and when he said everyone has a shelf life it was about ten years and he got there in a in two thousand twelve. The end of the arrows. In twenty eleven in boston he gets there and twenty twelve. And it's been about it's about it's about that shelf-life that he referred to. Everybody has a shelf life. But that's why. I brought up the whole exiting boston in two thousand and six thing when things are going a certain way that theo epstein doesn't approve of or he doesn't like and he feels like he's losing control. Guess what that's a guy that's just going to like all right fuck you. I'm outta here. So it was a combination of the two. You're coming up on the shelf life and it sounds like to me. Dallas a situation had been presenting itself in chicago. Where theo epstein was like. Listen i am not a fan of the direction that you want me to steer this club in. I'm here to win championships. Plural if you're going to instruct me to make decisions that go in the opposite direction of winning a championship. Then again. Just like i said to john henry and larry lucchino in two thousand and six and in two thousand eleven. Fuck you. i'm outta here. And he is out of their done. And and i think i think a lot of this has to do with the complacency and you touched on that everything that you said about his past with the red sox and him identifying that shelf lives are very real. They're not only very real in baseball there. Real in all sports when the turnover can be so quick because the the distance between the peak of success and the valley of despair is not as great as you think it would be. Because from here to here you could be. You could be in the basement or you could be the homeowner on top of that mountain that i'm talking about so when you're talking about a century's worth of lack of success lack of championships and you scratch one out and you give that organization you give that entire city something to be excited about well. It's almost like twenty seventeen. Was exactly what we all think it could be a time and it was the hangover right but the hangover didn't stop and it hasn't stopped. It's almost like that day. You turn thirty. And you're like. Oh my god. Is this a hangover thirty. The hangover's twenty-eight no fucking problem see you there at eight thirty in the morning. Put another linemen that corona before noon. Let's get this sum bitch cracking. You turn thirty and like no pedialyte. Please gallon of water. Get and that's what it feels like happened with. The cubs is during that moment of time. We're john lester is trying to get folks to rebound and realized he look the conversation. We're having right. Now is a twenty sixteen conversation and it's two thousand seventeen. it's two thousand eighteen. We can't be having those conversations now and it's almost like the decision makers were the ones potentially resting on their laurels or enjoying. What had just happened whether they're not paying much attention to building to the future. And now you've got a team who inside those walls as you pointed out with leicester being vocal about it. That might not have that burning desire. That was there in years past leading up to two thousand sixteen. So do you find yourself as the chicago cubs. Who for the last three plus years have just been really excited about what happened three years ago as opposed to remembering. Hey you know what. We're still a pretty damn good cloth for the pretty damn good core here. And why are we winning. What is going on and it has. It's been a combination of lack of performance from the stars from the from the pillars of success. And now when you start talking about the guy who's brought people in extended people created the culture of this organization walking away. The only thing that i can think is the power and the authority that he was given to bring the club that we have now to. Fruition is being threatened or is being taken away to some degree because he now no longer feels confident in his to go out and secure guy maybe release a guy make moves whatever it may be and it very well could be him being forced to make decisions that he just wouldn't otherwise make and that's where i talked about the managers in this game being given to lists of decisions that they could make you make one from this list list. A tells you you can make this decision and you won't get fired. 'cause it's coming from the front office list be is the list of decisions you can make that you know would be supported by your gut. Instinct would be supported by your experience but isn't really factoring in the front office calculations and algorithms that. They're putting forth so theo. What decision do you wanna make list a. Were no matter how it works out. You keep your job or list. Be go with your gut but if it doesn't work your name on the bottom ticker says you've been fired and it doesn't say that we've parted ways. Yeah the you don't play that shit. If if he's going to leave the cubs organization it's going to be on his terms and everything that has come across. The dashboard has been the. Ufc and has stepped down has resigned at hasn't been he's fired. He didn't keep up his end of the bargain. And we can go if we wanna take a deep dive on it. We can talk about some of the the misfires that have happened in the era in chicago. But i don't think that there's a cubs fan on planet earth. Today that is sitting there being like thank god. The os gone not take. You're taking all those misfires. You're taking every one of those misfires because you have what you didn't have. You had what your grandpa didn't have right and you got to see all of that happened. So you're you're happy you're happy that's on the way how and it's i mean i'm not trying to like ring the fire alarm here in chicago but like all the channel stuff that we keep hearing about what's going on in chicago it's not great. I mean the direction that wants to go in right now again is not in the direction of a win. now type mentality. it's just not and that's what the scene is not there to do. He's not there to take steps back so that he can take steps forward later there's been individuals that have worked within that organization and have served Multiple different roles individuals. That i that i know and over the past year and a half maybe two years or so. I've seen these individuals leave this place and it's kind of been head-scratching for me. Because knowing when they entered that realm how they were brought in to that organization. The things that were done for them to further their professional careers to further their credentials. So that they can continue to pursue work within the industry. It feels like that is changing. It feels like acknowledging that you can receive benefits by having people in place that work with your athletes that might not be forward-facing. You're not going to see a lot of these individuals but the work that they're doing on a daily basis cannot be discredited. You cannot just scoff at that in sweep that under the rug. So guys who were working with. These athletes daily not only invisible preparation but mental preparation alike. Those individuals are no longer there. And i don't want to say that they're leaving with frequency. It's happening a lot. Yeah i mean and now jed hoyer is gonna step into the spot that the once occupied but if you follow the trail here i mean jed hoyer has gone wherever theo epstein has gone for the last two decades I mean maybe this is his home. Maybe maybe jed wants to be there and he's not gonna follow the line in a year from now wherever he's going but i wouldn't be surprised if by the way one big thing to note here. I know a lot of mets fans. Listen to starting nine. Shout out to st cohen. A lot of people are saying well. Now is theo epstein gonna hop over to the mets is going to hop over to the phillies. Theo epstein has said that he is going to take this next year off. So if if you're the mets and you're thinking everything's falling into place we're going to get the messiah. We're going to get the end of world series droughts. Theo epstein is coming to queens. If that is the landing spot then you're gonna have to wait a year and by then there probably will be someone in place that maybe a little bit more of a permanent option. I'm not. I'm not ruling out theo epstein to the mets in a year. But it's not going to be now so if that is your hope and your dream in your wish that you're going to get on top of getting steve cohen. And whatever else francisco dorchester bauer. I know the mets fans are super excited. Right now for the future as you should be as you should be cool. Things are happening right now. But the o- epstein queens right now is not one of those things. What about an entire season of courtship. What about an entire season worth of back and forth and exchanges between cohen and a theo epstein. Like here's where you guys are at. Here's where i think you guys can be. We'll circle back after a few months all evaluate some of the decisions that your front office has made. We can bounce things off each other. And who knows steve. Maybe if the if the offers right maybe if all things considered jed hoyer likes to like the idea of planting his flag in chicago and theo has finally gotten to not finally got to a point. But theo is at a point where he can say jed my brother. We've been riding together for a long time. This isn't us writing off into the sunset. This is simply you becoming the sheriff of this town here and this is me. Pack it up my horse and that's all this is. Yeah that's all this is. You're still my friend. Were still buddies. were still. we're still the boys here. i'm just going a different route. And maybe that's because theo's not the guy like we know him to not be just take shit from people. He's going to do things his way. It's going to go down his way. And if you're a mets fan. I think you have to tease yourself. You have to think about why would you not you and i mean like thinking about it this way. Like if you're jed hoyer and you're now president of baseball operations for the chicago cubs and you can't really go up from there unless you're like president of the fucking team so wherever if you continue to follow theo epstein wherever he goes you're never gonna be the guy and like maybe that's not what he wants. Maybe he wants to be rose guy. Like we don't know mean he was the guy in san diego. Everyone forgets that before. Jed hoyer could join theo epstein in chicago he made a stop is as gm in san diego. I which was how the whole anthony rizzo thing happened. But i think. I think it's time for jed to be like. Hey i know some shit too like i've been. I've been in the league along time. I've been part of winning organizations for a long time. I would like to put stamp on an organization without being in theo epstein shadow. Fine but as it pertains to wear. Theo's next stop is. Why wouldn't you pick the mets. I guess i guess like philly is intriguing but like philly has already made their big splash with bryce harper. And maybe there are more splashes to be made in philly because obviously you look at what they did this year and just completely shitting the bed at the end and their bullpen. Being a fucking joke. So i think theo would probably like to sink his teeth into a team. Where like the red sox and in two thousand and two to two thousand three. It's like there are very key pieces. That are already here. Let me get you the supplemental pieces and then we'll win a championship. But with the mets. It's like that's that's that would be the most enticing organization for me to jump to for a couple of reasons not only because of the perceived financial flexibility and power that you would have with uncle stevie taking over but if what where are you at as a as an executive and what is your wheelhouse and then are you willing to challenge yourself. Are you interested in challenging yourself and those are the questions that you ask. If it's a philly or new york decision to be made right philly would represent the. Let me challenge myself I'm clearly going to be under constraints. That i would not be under if i was leading the new york mets. So well what does the philly doesn't have money to spend when you drop three thirty on. Bryce that's great but we're talking about a new guy in town and that's why i said perceived financial power and flexibility perceived. that is. What intrigues you. You don't know about it yet. On the whole so you are perceiving this power to be great to be superior to anybody else around and that is part of the decision making is all right. Just how much more cheese does uncle steve have as opposed to. What's going on in philly. And do i wanna use that cheese or do i wanna use my brain power and really roll up the sleeves here. And though i don't have all that financial flexibility. I i still do have the ability to go and get a guy or two if i need all. Let me ask you this dallas. Maybe you can't say. What is the update over there in oakland with dean joining forces with john henry and whether or not he'll be able to maintain his duties as a baseball executive in oakland. Because before you answer. If i'm theo epstein a i've won championships with two organizations. That had very long. Droughts eighty six years in boston. One hundred eight years in chicago. But i had. I had some money to burn on the way to winning those championships. What's the next challenge. If you're just like this you're chasing the high. It's like why ended the curse in boston. I ended the drought in chicago. What's the next big challenge. Because i feel like the mets. I mean you could put anyone in that spot. And i feel like the mets at least have a shot at winning a title and the next three to five years. Whatever it is that window but the oakland as a team that issues a challenge to i mean we just saw tampa payroll doesn't matter you get to that world series but the oakland a.'s. I mean if you've watched moneyball if you read the book if you've just watched baseball over the last few years the oakland a.'s are a team where it's like. Were fucking good. But we're not get over the hump good. How do we get over the. Oh oh there's there's there's a guy out there who is an expert in getting over the hump and his name is theo epstein. He doesn't have a job right now. And typically when you have jobs there's a financial compensation so you think you think the as can't even afford he'll to kim not sane journey. I'm not telling you try. You can't even afford the guy who can't afford the guys it's a when you think about challenging yourself. If you're theo that would be tantamount in my mind to sitting down for eating contest. What are we eating. We're eating rice. Okay got one problem here. And i'm and. I'm speaking theo here right. And i'm sitting on a panel with the other people on competing against. Let's say twenty nine. Other contestants up problem is all twenty. Nine of those guys have fucking spoons that they're eating this rice with that's great. You just threw thehill fucking chopstick. Chopstick not a set of chopsticks. That would make this easier on him. You've given him off fucking chopstick and said go for it compete that. That's the reality of the oakland a.'s. Whether it comes to player personnel coaching personnel whatever. Gm whatever's cry style. That's just how shit has gone. So that's why said depending on where you're at gm and how you want to challenge yourself. The philly idea represents a challenge compared to the new york mets idea or situation strictly because of again. The perceived financial flexibility. I think from an ego perspective. Though don't you think. Theo epstein would love the opportunity. Not just to win a championship in oakland given their restraints. But what do it within the first two or three and watch billy go how you got Billy gets all the love for money ball where it's like. Oh this guy revolutionized how we do this and theo epstein kind of took over from there like he adopted moneyball probably he was probably one of the first guys to look at what billy was doing and implement that in some form or fashion to what the red sox were doing but to go to oakland immediately like be the guy after the guy and and win in oakland like with those same restraints. I think that that's like if your ego chasing if you're like the next high i've done it. I've ended it in boston. I've ended it in chicago now. I'm gonna fucking win right after billy. Being in oakland there would be. What did you places that you would go to to do that. One or two places and that would be tampa. But even taylor that would be like i mean tampa's at least known as the smart revolutionary organization. Where it's like people. Don't talk about oakland that way anymore. Because they might have invented moneyball but now everyone's doing it so now it's not like cool but so so that and that's what's crazy. Oh it's not cool anymore. That's literally do anymore. What understood. so isn't it weird. How tampa is viewed as the brain organization. The thoughtful the forward thinking organization yet the team who essentially started this whole fucking thing is now looked at as a stagnant dinosaur because they haven't experienced the same success that the tampa bay rays have since implementing. This i mean they went to the postseason. They've had postseason victories. So sure they haven't been to the world series. I mean it's but you know. I don't know that i would these are. These are the times that i miss j. Because i'd be like can we really compared the as postseason success to the raise postseason success in the last call it since two thousand eight really since two thousand eight. How many times have you been to the postseason four offhand. But they've been to the world series twice as what was it two thousand twelve. They went to the us fourteen. One of those twelve fourteen. That was the fucking one and out year off. Because the wildcard the suspect trade anyways we're getting sidetracked i want. I just want to say this. Because i'm sure we're gonna have plenty of time to talk about where theo epstein is going to end up because like you said it's going to be a fucking year before we know the answer to that question. I want to give cubs. Fans that are like their heads are about to explode like what is becoming of my organization. What's the answer to that question. Dallas where do they go from here does is it over. Is the window closed. Is this a whole is this can. Can jed hoyer pick up where theo epstein left off and things can kind of continue where it's like. We're still the best team in this division and we're still going to go back to the postseason give ourselves a shot or is this book market. This is a completely new era. It's a completely different. Yeah absolutely absolutely. It's a completely different vibe. Because if two guys who are continually in the room walk into the room and feels the one giving you the business. He's the one creating the culture. He's the one creating that vibe. The next time those two guys are supposed to walk into the room and the oh doesn't walk into that room and it's just yet everybody takes a look and goes and you make a decision in that moment in time you make your decision to i. Treat him with the same respect. Do i regard his opinion as highly. Does he carry the same cachet. And the the two out of the three of those is no and so then the team meeting. That happens right after. That meeting is of paramount just so so big. It matters so much because whatever he's going to say to that group is going to be regurgitated. Broken doubt analyzed by the players. Would you guys think when he said this. Do you think he believes that shit is the guy that can go to bat for us is the pipeline to rickets or. Does it stop with him. How do we feel about this. Dude what does he done in the past to show us that he will go to bat for us. Does he listen to us. Does he care or was he. Just theo's popping. Those are the questions that come up. And those are the conversations that are had so the minute those dudes are supposed to walk into the room and it's only one of those dudes. The next five minutes are going to be very very so in honor of j. Hey i've got some some spicy hot tasty nuggets for you. Since two thousand eight rays have been to the postseason six times the as have been to the postseason six times but the last time that the as have been to the al csv two thousand and six and over that span in the postseason razor twenty seven and twenty nine since two thousand eight in the postseason. The as seven and thirteen. So we're seeing we're seeing sub five hundred records here but it looks like the rays of games in the postseason. So i mean we're gonna we're gonna have to keep an eye on this. I would imagine that there's this is not the end of the fallout from this This news broke at the time of this recording hour ago because somebody had to make a decision to cause the otago hold on what someone said something did something made it abundantly clear that this is the direction that they wanted to go and it was so egregious that theo decided to leave town. Yeah going to be more fallout. It's going to be a lot of follow. there's going to be more also just like i could be wrong. I'm i have boston brain so like usually when shit like this happens. It's it's months of anonymous sources in everyone just slinging shit at each other. I don't know that that's the vibe in chicago. It doesn't appear to be. But i would imagine that you know that much power and that much success and turn over jobwise. Someone's going to say something. And i feel like we're going to get more details on this before it's all said and done and we close that chapter once and for all could be a case where the'll could eventually be seen as drunk with power and couldn't be couldn't be rationalized with couldn't be reckoned with over some decisions i don't i don't i'm not trying to put him and i don't mind the stubborn don't because the only thing i go back to the hanley decision right and if if maybe a group of people were like hey look you know the last time you dug your hills in this dude There was a decision made that kind of work down. So we're asking you to do is consider this. And maybe if he just throws his arms up just like no not having. Don't want to hear someone like who you know i. I don't want to sound playing devil's advocate but for as much clout as the has as much respect as he's absolutely earned four. What he's done in this game. I always liked to leave. Open the possibility that your angel might not have the halo you think they have. And and that's just being real and being like trying to be open and honest about this scenario because it's not like it was just the other side that pissed the aloft. There could be something where theo wasn't willing to give and that could have been in. Who knows all. I know is that i'd take a bullet for abstain. I really would. I remember like my facebook profile. And mike two thousand five like where it said like like political views that i put like the epstein for president like. There's a video me in high school doing like a fake interview. At the like i was i like created the fake backdrop it looked like the backdrop that he was in and i took clips from one of his interviews and then made it look like i was asking him the questions. I gotta go find that video. I know it's there somewhere. Jesus i'm excited. I'm excited for the next chapter with the. 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S i is in this exchange but this individual says i do believe out of tv writing and radio. The radio is the hardest gig of the three. But you said that you think your is as hard as trevor bowers. Do you stand by that statement. Mad dog said to do it right. Absolutely here's the better way to say. I do my job better than trevor. Bauer does his. Trevor bauer is not as good of a pitcher as i am a talk show host and then bauer tweeted. One may ask the question. Did i simultaneously do my job and your job better than you this year. I guess you're i guess when your job is to say stupid shit on radio you end up looking stupid. Tough look for mad dog unleashed and then he. He had like the exchange and then. It's a screenshot. Trevor bauer young award and it shows him hitting over one hundred thousand subscribers on youtube channel. So i love. I love the petty nature. Because i do shit like that too like i definitely keep receipts on anyone. That's ever said a bad thing about me. Just so i can dunk on you. Rub my balls on your forehead. So i appreciate the pettiness and the timing and waiting biding your time. Proving people wrong and then calling people out like not letting people get away with shitty takes or You know thumping your chest a little bit too soon so again. Congratulations to trevor bauer. Who is a cy young award winner. And he also hit over one hundred thousand subscribers on his youtube channel this year. It's pretty big deal an undertaker award winner and an undertaker. Just burying maddock. You and i both have a lot of respect and love a lot of those dudes on on. it'll be network on all of 'em book and it is. It is just so unfortunate to watch that. Turn into state tv me. It has and with guys like like like like it's a we know who pays for the channel and we know who Who props it up. And i know especially talking to those guys. I know how difficult it is at times to not be able to say this shit. You wanna say because of where you're working because of what you're doing and so would it just. It sucks like he got that kind of you got that dude. Who's carrying water for that brand for that company and we understand who he appeals to but yeah i don't know it's just left a bad taste for awhile. I know the tweeted about mad dog. Show of you times. And i've had player like a tweet a bag and watch that shit and the answer. That is simple very rarely. Do i agree with him. I don't really like the tone or just like the preachy. Nece or the. I know more than you stuff but i will say as baseball content creator myself that when people say outlandish shit it gets it it creates no. He's he's doing outlandish on purpose to say things in response to it that also kind of garners attention so i don't care if you wanna say dumb shit like you're a better talk show hosts and trevor bauer as a pitcher. It's like that's fine. But you're gonna you're gonna wear it later and you're also going to give us fodder to talk about on the podcast. Which is exactly what's happening right now. So i don't know i just like that. That's just attention that i don't need to pay. I know why you're saying we all know why saying yet. entertain it. Those guys those guys go away. They sure do. We're going to go away for a little bit. Because we're kicking it over to this fucking shane bieber interview that we did with the ernest. Cy young award winner in the american league shane bieber. We are here with the unanimous. Miss cy young award winner in the american league. You already know the cell. so good. Is shane bieber city. The unanimous winner in the american league. His name is shane bieber. I'm arouse and it's what have you been up to. Whatever you up to the whole Cy young award thing. Not man just still trying to recover It was a good time obviously Just awesome yeah. Thank you guys rejoining. that was. That was a fun time for sure on but yeah just just kinda acting and enjoying it. you know. Been getting back to work over the last couple of weeks And lost a little bit of progress that night but just trying to regain that and get back to where i need to be a before and honestly look on next season feeling. You call it a night before midnight. I feel like you couldn't have been that bad. Yeah but remember the apps on the on the range and the only thing that could fix. It was a screwdriver and like ten. Am so we started pretty early. Yeah day it was a long day. What do you remember most from that day. If anything i think honestly I it was really special to me. Just have so many people there from from different backgrounds and and obviously people that are very close to me in you guys joining us and and my agents. My family friends everybody. Just everybody had a really good time. It was obviously you know the the i was great and it just meant a lot to me That everybody was just enjoying the day. Join each other and Like you said it went swimmingly. What one thing. I noticed in and this has happened. This happened to me like a fucking wedding season hits. You're talking to everybody. You're going to all these different weddings teammates wedding shit like that. You really find out a lot about the life and the love of the bride and groom by speaking to people who were there and by witnessing their interaction and how they interact with each other right and sometimes it seamless another time. You're like yo they fucking. Hey this bids. They can't write a. But that was what i took away from. Dude was even from from the minute we separate on the range to the minute that we set our goodbyes. Like speaking to everybody there. You could just feel how much love how much support and how proud they were honestly of you but i think what was cooler is more so like themselves like there were collective like high fives like y'all are boy puck and did it didn't like and and the fact that we're even here. He thinks that we played a role in it. You know like your brother your agent. Everybody everybody the guys from from the companies who support you in and you endorse who obviously endorse everything. You're about so. That's why when i asked you. Have you now had time to step back and take stock of not only the acknowledgement but all the fucking dirt collected under your collective spikes as a family. Has that started to fucking seeking yet. Yeah definitely like. I mean you guys know it's it's a it's a collective effort like There's so much that goes into it not just for individual season but when you're looking at it entire career how'd you get there and The people that we are all able to share that day with are the ones that got me. You know to to where i needed to be and into where it was. That day are where. I am right now and It truly means the world. I know i said this a few times. But it's because i mean it like it's it's an incredible opportunity. Just have everybody there After everything needed alden through throughout the last year and It's absolutely a collective effort so it was amazing to see You know people get recognition that they deserve and the you know. They're the ones that have made all this possible. My my parents my brother My girlfriend my agents Everybody man i. I know i said a couple times i. I can't thank them enough. So it's it's nice to be able to kind of reflect on that. And i know that they're doing the same thing and it's nice for them to do that because they deserve a lot of people were actually and i don't want to take the credit here. A lot of people were giving me credit for like. I had an awesome seat for the announcement and i gave it up so that your girlfriend could sit there and i don't need you to hear this right. Yeah originally she. She was off to the side and like i was sitting pretty close to that seat on your right there and i was like you know what she's here and like that's fine. Deal one of the best or coolest moments for me though being there and i don't know if you've gone back and watched like the tape of the announcement but when you get named cy young award winner your parents like held hands behind your back. They were like. Hey we fucking dead it. That was like for me like when i think back to the announcement. That's what i think about like that was the cool. I don't know if you saw that or felt it. Because i'm sure your brain was numb at that point. That was totally fucking cool. Yeah i was all over the place. I'm going to have to go back and watch the i. I had no idea but that is a special moment. Edges speaks volumes to sacrifice so so much to you know not only themselves to this point. But they've helped me get myself to this point and like i said they absolutely deserve it. They deserve much more. And hopefully there's more to come but that special. I'll go back and look at dead. Yeah i'll ask him about. It was really cool. And i. I mean again. I might have been over served. I remember our. You're absolutely over served. No one celebrates other people's pinnacle achievements. Harder than i do guy. Just that's the one thing that you can count on me for him. You do something awesome. I'm gonna fuck and celebrate it. But i remember asking you like. Hey cy young award like what's what's the gift that you're gonna give to yourself and i think you answered but i have no idea what you says. Yeah me neither. I know i answered though but i guess i don't know we're moving into this house in a couple of days Got time to think Obviously that can be an expensive process and elena p. one but so we're going to see where the budgets at You know yeah. I think i think some some sorts of bonuses. I'm still on a rookie contract. Sell those matter everything. Everything adds up and allah. I'll reassess and hopefully get ourselves something. Nice yeah threat. Yeah if i can offer my expertise in any what are we. What are we getting the backstops. what are we getting. The suggestion boxes has that been thought. Because obviously obviously there's other folks to take care of you know has been something you've ever been to open to suggestions privately because they absolutely you know. That's another group of people that Have a lot to do with with everything and I like i. i mentioned In that you know live interview Those guys are the best truly believe that we have the best catching corps In league and i've been fortunate to have been with these guys for since i've came up so The their incredible. They teach me so much on a day by day basis and they absolutely should be included in the celebration. I thought that was cool. You took the time in your moment to show them out by name. It wasn't even just like yeah. There's so many people that i wanna thank. But like i'm caught in the moment. And i can't think of names it's like no you're like bam bam bam just like naming off like sandy and perez and those dudes but and it's one of those things like Rambling diarrhea him out. And so so. The first name came out in the back of my head. I'm like well i got. I got a goal. Everybody so i i went down the list in I'm glad i did i. I was in shock. Obviously kinda like you said but Those guys absolutely deserve to be shouted out. Who's the one person that was like really cool that they reached out after you weren't expecting to hear from them like maybe like a like a high school teammate. Or like someone that you haven't heard from him forever. It was like hey man congrats and you were just like oh shit. That's fucking cool that they reached out There's there was a lot man. There was a lot on. There's some very special people And obviously people on on extreme close to clubs sent me a an awesome text message and marley from revolution. My voice at revolution saw so many other guys on a bunch of slipping from from my memory but does displays. One name at the top. I appreciate everybody that reached out that you said you're moving into this new house and whenever it has three days hopefully have you scouted because this is important. This is important. This is like a statement piece. Have you scouted out. Wear the cy young award is going to go in your new home. yeah We got we got a spot. I know i'm gonna have a don't know hopefully like a talking link about this right like a game room memorabilia. Just a dude room and it's going go somewhere in there and it's going to be front and center You know maybe. Above or below the ted williams bat. But i'm going to have to establish a real nice security system before i put all that stuff up for not sure. Yeah we're not. We're not letting anyone just like watch walk and put their hands on it like are you a memorabilia. Guy like are there. Are there pieces that you have like from this season that you kept like hat's like spikes or what's the significance behind any those. Yeah absolutely. there's there's a stuff unfortunate to be able to put aside a bunch of stuff you know. And that's one of those things that i trust other guys that have been there and done that especially our head clubhouse manager tony amato all the all these guys that know. What what. I'm supposed to do. Because i'm you know my brain's going a thousand miles a minute Women some of this stuff happened so like. Hey gimme gimme a cloud this now. We're gonna authentic give And just give you the option. And so i appreciate denver. That truly pros pros. And so there's there's a few a few options to run through to be able to display some nice things and obviously throughout the the process of a major league career You get the opportunity to play with some special special people that will have their names engraved in the game for a long time so the goal is to continue to Meet dan talk to them and you know maybe collects memorabilia from them as well so Hopefully by the end of the playing career that it's going to be a nice big wall full of you special special items. You're you're you're you're well on your way my friends i wanna know. I'm curious because you are. You are such a competitor and you are so driven. And i think at times. Because you're such a nice dude as well and your authentic that the the ferocity with which you approach getting better and succeeding with can kind of get lost. I'm not saying you're soft moc on you saw test bitch. I'm just saying you're nice dude. But how how do you put all that shit aside that we just talked about and get right back to work. How do you go about that. Honestly man like it comes kind of natural for me. I feel like it always has like. I've always felt that chip on my shoulder and wanted to continue to to prove people wrong and to continue to get better at the end of the day this this was all great to to celebrate and reflect on but we didn't last game of the season so there's always a chance to get to get better there's always another milestone to look forward to work towards in that sweat a started to do over the past week or so and you know it's like what's your next goal. What's what's most important to you. And i think any player would would answer that question with window world series championship so They need to continue to get better in Continue to put in the work and trust talking work out and You know hopefully it will knowing knowing that you play obviously a big part in what happened this year for your team. We talked about the amount of starts that you made how many times you're team won in those starts. Those conversations aren't the same over one sixty two. How do you identify what you need to do specifically to get better because you only have so much say in quote unquote winning that last game of the season. So what if anything have you identified about your work from this past season that you say to yourself look beeps if we're going to get better if we want another one of these little fiestas after the season on top of winning that last game this is what we gotta do. Let's go to work. What is yeah. It's it's it's tough to identify. Sometimes but i think that's what you you're able to use your resources around you and there's people within the the indians organization people. You know my trainer back home and My friends my buddies that are in pro ball and You know my teammates is. It's what you communicate about like. Hey where can i get better. What can i use to work on my back leg load in this net like obviously you always wanna get bigger faster stronger And then that's that's an aspect that you can put put to the side right now. That's what you're building up. That will always be a progression and then looking forward to next year. It's like Wouldn't want wanna do with my slot editor. What i wanna do you know. Do i want to change his shape. How do i improve efficiency or consistency with it. And that's one of the things that i'm going to try and work on this offseason because it kind of it was good at points But i i never felt too comfortable with. It obviously relied heavily on on a curve ball and that's scary in but Yeah but like if you ask You know when i came up in eighteen everybody's like oh it's a slider. It's slider obviously my curb out. Continue to develop which is great. Put that in the back pocket and and and focus on how i can best compliment that pitch in how i can get something that looks similar but to go a different way There's there's a million ways to continue to get better. It's just a matter of identifying them and going after them there was a There's an snl skit a few years ago about like the five timers club. Where i think like it was justin timberlake's fifth time hosting snl and he walks into like everyone that's ever hosted five times in their with their smoking jackets and their whiskey. If if there were a similar room that you could walk in with every single cy young award winner and now you have access to this room. You can go in there. And it's an exclusive club. Who's the first guy you're going up to and in chattanooga could be dead or alive. They're alive well. I'm gonna get some camera time. So i'll probably go up to trevor. Bauer has just to get nice and comfortable. Maybe go to the bar and get some juice in me and then get comfortable. And then i'll go to my heroes and guys it you've watched i watch pitch growing up so I guess that would be the easy. Answers Who's the non trevor. Bauer guy probably pedro It's obvious answer. But it's i feel have you have you ever met him before I haven't well. Yeah i did over Over an interview with with. Mlb network is awesome. He's hilarious and you know. Hopefully many more conversations was that was that you he was interviewing when he was like shit. I i won the all star game. Mvp and they didn't give me a truck like hook them up with a truck. I yeah it was. It was i. Oh you guys are so. I got three on my on my these. These awards are getting expensive for you. My friend yeah some point. Yeah i was like the mvp of the most iconic game of this generation. I'll eat you absolutely deserted to sidestep silverado but It's it's funny. Sandy said the same thing to me. Like what i can't say exactly what he said. But he's like the. Go ahead homer in cleveland but there will fired up so that at all i would say like now that you're in this. Exclusive club like your. Your name goes on the same lists as a pedro martinez. But like i. I was trying to get you to say something all fucking morning like the morning of the announcement was like. Just just say like. You're just like no no. That's not me. And i'm like dude like it's not a matter of if you're going to win or not. It's a matter of if it's unanimous and then are being unanimous but like you stuck till you're like honestly like i'm just. I'm just happy to be considered ball blah. How how who'll was it here. The word yet unanimous. That's that's what we want to know. Yeah that was special. That was like the only word. I could get back out of my mouth. 'cause it was it was. It was a weird set up. Like i had my airpods in because they didn't want to hear any echoes and i'm like we'll have our the people around me gonna really here. You know what's going on. So when they said when they announced it and said you're twenty board winner from the cleveland indians. And so that's when. I took a step back a little bit and i i put my hands on my mom and emma girlfriend cares legs and then like still. Nobody really knew what was going on. I just go like wow has speech it. It was awkward for a second. And then i was like we did it. And then i said unanimous. Oh yeah the only thing. I could get out Because that's one of the words that wild they were still talking in my ear. And i was freaking out Those words that resonated with me. So i repeat it but obviously it's it's special Jill incredible will be able to look back on and you know everybody that keeps reaching out Which i i truly appreciate the They always include the unanimous. So it's it's pretty special on what that means. Yeah absolutely that means you call it a feather in your cap. Whatever it is look. I had some amazing conversations with with padre babes in madrid and that was one of the things that that your mom really really hit on and really touched on and really drove home was like like i don't know of people understand how hard this kid works and and how much he loves what he does but how much he puts in to what he does and how serious he is about that. And that's why. I i give you the shit that i do because you are. You're you're crazy dude. You're a great time great to hang out with you. Treat everybody around you with the utmost respect and at times that can be perceived differently because not. Everybody is in the gym with you. Not everybody can can spot you and not. Everybody sees the sweat. And here's the energy you know. So i know that that unanimous means something because it's almost a reflection of all that shit right right. And i i look back on the time in quarantine where everybody's like. Hey i'm going home and we don't know when the season's gonna start if we're going to have a season i mean that when it first all happened in unraveled and they said are springing canceled. I know opening day was supposed to be in like five days or something but Y'all go home and be safe and we'll update you and in my mind. I'm like okay. Like two three four weeks. Maybe i don't know I'll just go back and stay ready and being a hell of a lot longer than that. But went back to santa barbara in and all we had to do was work. You know that's right That's how you build your day and there are so many people that that went into that as well we had a tremendous group I know i mentioned it to a few people. I forget if i mentioned it to you guys. But nobody's back in santa barbara that pro ball. Well we all jacked up together and just grinding it out man and just waited and play the waiting game in. It was extremely special. Because some of those guys That you know we all push each other in the end they push push me. They knew they weren't going to have a season in the minor leagues and But there there grinding and pushing each other and push me just because what else are you gonna do man. You're going to put the work in to get better for this season next season. Whatever it may be. And that's kind of what i just think back on. I feel like that. Put me in a good position to kinda hit the ground running going into the season. Are we here right now. If that doesn't happen if you make that investment and it's not a monetary investment it's a dedication investment and you're lucky enough to have other dudes who are thinking along the same lines as you were getting better regardless of. We're going to cash out this year. Not our boys didn't like we're all here driven same focus. Are we having this conversation. If you don't make like to say yes because that's kinda like our focus in the offseason as well. but if if you know all circumstances Stay in the same with quarantine and all that stuff if we don't if we don't do that than probably not i can't say for sure It would be you know. It could have been a different outcome. And but that's that's kinda how i feel like an athlete best operates it's not I guess it's like how are you going to steer away from failure. How are you going to continue to Be successful and It wasn't about trying to reach a specific goal. It was more about you. Continue to climb upwards whether that's From a strength aspect from a pitching aspect from athleticism. Whatever it may be just continue to get better and you'll put yourself in a good spot. So i don't know if you knew this but Dallas through a. He threw a perfect game in major league baseball. And you're i've i've asked him. You know like at what point are you kind of looking up at the scoreboard and realizing what's going on like eventually it hits you at some point some guys earlier some guys later on the same. It's a broader spectrum here. But i was there any point during the course of the season where you're like. I got a shot at the cy young award like. I'm not just having a good year. This could be young year. Yeah there there's a few points but then that's where like that dallas might say soft ass bitch but that's that's where that switch in my head was like it doesn't it doesn't matter you know like you gotta continue to go forward And so if you get caught up in thinking about what you've done or or what you're looking forward to or what could potentially be waiting for you in the future. I think at least in my opinion for me That doesn't help me. And so that's when. I kinda just shut that little light off and i just continued to giant focus on each game you know. I know it's cliche and shit. But i true how relieved that makes an athlete or at least to makes me better. How many starts talking because wasn't like five starts in you'd like set the record for most strikeouts through five starts breaking records every three innings done deal fixed now. I don't know. I mean in such a short season. Obviously it's a different time. When i was getting even twitter posts and all that regardless of the length of the season when they start like most strikeouts through five starts. It doesn't matter. How long season is like everyone starts out. The stephen getting five starts like you're breaking records regardless of how long the season was so. Are you seeing that on social. Are you a are you a turn it off social media guide during the season or are you kind of like inbetween starts like looking at what's being said. I'll i'll like go through a kind of a little bit. Ocd saw get rid of my notifications and stuff. But i don't look too far into bitter like read the comments or like search my name or not then on. I was like kind of a a weirdo. My roommate's can attest this in college. Like i wouldn't i went from You know reading everything and being like consumed in that right like my freshman year to our. I realize you know in with some like ten reviews. A teachings like this is not that it doesn't matter you know and so i went kinda like total end like even mention anything Kinda to the point. Where i was i was being deck or something but now i feel like i found that happy medium and It's it's always a growing process and especially in the major leagues. There's so many things thrown at you. So i'm continuing to learn and develop with it but I kind of found that happy medium. So i don't pay too much attention to it but i'm i'm in tune i just. I just wanna point out for the for the young books that are listening to this. The young athletes. That are listening to what what you just said right now. Shane about turning that light bulb off and not allowing that to affect you baseball specifically because it's so long and it is that marathon it's not that sprint. Those are the things that that that's a prime example of staying even keeled. You're going to hear your coaches and shit talk about that. Don't get too high emotionally. Don't get too low emotionally and though you started out on the hot streak you're on it would have been very easy to get caught up in that and what that could mean especially in a condensed season because yeah everybody makes their first five starts but if we're looking at the calendar you only got about six or seven more than some bitch. So we're we're making some headway here quickly to be able to and i would've loved loved to been able to perform that way. That's not who i was. I was emotional. And i had to go that route so that i could go out there and compete with the guys who were just so much better than i was and i think. Every athletes strives to find that mind space to find that head space. That brought a smile to my face to hear that. Because you have such a natural comprehension of how important that is so. I just wanted to point that out because the young kids who are listening to this who want to celebrate their four for five and then like would you know cut their grandmothers oxygen court if they went over for the next day. You can't live life like you can't live in this game like that so to hear that. Come from the mouth of a twenty five year old. Cy young winner is so refreshing. Yeah i appreciate it. But also to your point i think there are so much benefit to being able to play with. Emotion thrive off that you know so that's not to say that that's not the way to go and i continued to try to like get more into certain moments in the game and i feel like i. I've continued to show a little bit more emotion each and every star in each year because that absolutely helps that absolutely helps athletes as well. But i think it's that that point where things are going well in the season and you're getting with social media the way it is not as you can get tagged and stuff left and right and it's like being able to look at it and like. Yeah that's that's or whatever. But i you know i gotta continue to move forward that that happened already and what i do next is either gonna make that better or worse. So i'm going to focus on what what's next so you win the cy young award at like call at four four thirty. And then you have a few hours to celebrate with your friends and your family and your girlfriend your agents four hours after that trevor. Bauer walks through the door. How cool is it to like. You know you have your moment. You get to celebrate like that's your moment and then after you have some time to let that breathe then. The icing on the cake is like. Hey my friend my former teammate. A guy that has taught me things and take me under his wing like now. He's here and he's got the same piece of hardware that i do is not like. We're we're celebrating this achievement together now like how. How cool is that to be able to have that moment on top of everything else that you got to have that day. Yeah it was is extremely special in just to kinda like inter connect the last two things we talked about like trevor's a guy that operates a little bit differently. He's like a that. I'm gonna go get that you know. He's not afraid to talk about it. Which is great. So that being said like to each their own but it was extremely special to share that moment with trevor. I know how hard he's just. He's worked in how much he's put into this And just like you know you guys do as well and He's extremely deserving not just because of how he performs on the field but how he is not afraid to help grow the game and help other people around the league and other pitchers on opposite teams With their delivery or whatever it may be you know he's not afraid to Be a positive influence on the game of baseball. And i think that's special. And the obviously he he puts in a work and he puts the work on the field and that showed this year. And you know it's going to continue to show so it was special for him to be able to come join us even for a brief moment. I know i enjoyed that as well as you. Guys i just. I think he walks in the door. And i i was. I walked right up to him just like hugged him. Yeah it does. It goes to show. It goes to show the kind of relationship that you guys had developed. And that i think we like to see permeate throughout the game. The though older individual taking care of the younger individuals who are asking questions who possessed the tools just want the knowledge and when you combine those you get you get what i got to witness what we all got to in this. That's kinda how i looked at it. Just as as a guy who's no longer playing having played for while. But i get to see an older guy like trevor. How the impact. He's had on you and to think that we're in the same room. Celebrate celebrating and acknowledging the successful transfer of that knowledge. and those believes. That's kind of how i looked at it like young dude tools. Dominating older guy tools dominating. They've had a direct impact on each other and we're hearing that same moment celebrating at all. So yeah i was. I was very awesome. Do on the morning of the announcement. I put the odds at minus one. Ten that john congratulate. You didn't which disappointed me greatly. I thought like a done deal that he was gonna at least out twitter or something Was there was there any type of celebrity or like a athlete in a different sport. Like some on that likes shouted you or your fucking yeah. Couple of guys. baker One of them i. Obviously i said those revolution guys but really just people that I'm i'm close with and That that means the world and that's really what's most important is people that have helped get me here and You know relationships that have developed over the past few years and knowing that they played apartment in it so and it was cool to just have those Hometown cleveland guys reach out as well. That's always special so Be going to browns game here pretty soon. Hopefully so that so that was going to be. That was going to be my last question for you. Is your card carrying member. You know what. I mean your card carrying member of a very special if that card could get you into anywhere into anything the audience of anybody whatever it is when you play on that card and to get what ace app just to go to frigging man like for sure as everything being shutdown obviously for good reason but I just been thinking over the last couple of weeks. I'm like man. I'm jones in to go to a concert or something. I just enjoy some live music. Maybe if i'm being specific i'd love to go to red rocks. Sure that's my number one So hopefully we'll we'll make that happen sometime to. Maybe we'll do it together. How yeah i love that. We're going gonna let you get out of here. I'm sure you've got a million other fucking interviews to do on. The new house congrats on the cy young award. Thank you again for having us there. I don't know when the video is going to drop. But i heard it's coming along pretty nicely. And they re bad us. I'm excited for you. See that But again congratulations. And we'll we'll be in touch our people talk to your people. I appreciate it guys. I'm fired up video to Thanks for having three. Three timer. On the podcast. Wow oh you guys got to tex who's Who's leading in appearances. And then we'll we'll get to work. It's yellowy yell a five timer. He's borderline correspondent at. this does. yeah. We got some ground to make up time to work. Get big shout out to shane bieber for coming on the podcast again. That is what his third. He's a three time her three timer. I love that show but also we gotta give a little shout out to the national highway traffic safety administration. We've got a. We've got a big time big time coming up. It's holiday season time. Holiday season comes festivities. That can you know cloud our judgment at times. Well we got to be better than that. And from november sixteenth. Twenty nine th this year. 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Was he mentioned the text exchange that he had with club and obviously mike clemenger is in the news as well this week. Because of the the double whammy and obviously. If you're a baseball fan you know you know what the double whammy is so. I texted him. And i was like. I don't know whether to say congrats or fuck like i i. It was so weird to see the padres in the same tweet. It was the same tweet. Oh by the way. Two year extension for mike cleven. This is awesome. Oh by the way he's forgetting. Tommy john surgery. It's like how do you put the same tweet like why don't you spread that news out. I let me help you. Let me help you look at it. This you to look at it. It's a second one. Okay not a fan of that now. But they're taking care of them he. So you're you're happy about that. They're taking care of him and that is them identifying not only a guy that they feel like they can. they can obviously use. But he's a decent enough dude that they're more than willing to go that route with him and and it's a guy that you want to keep happy then you'll look at the fact that having already been through one before feeling what he was feeling for him to say. You know what. I think a more confident in getting this taken care of right now because i know will be able to come back. I know what i have ahead of me. You'll know who. I am. As far as how i work and how i prepare so there's no question about that. Let's get that done. So that makes me if i'm looking to be optimistic about this if i want my glass to be more than half full when i'm looking at that tweet right there. These are the things that i want to remind myself of. If i'm a padres fan is okay. They committed to pay him for year. That he's not going to pitch. Why because he's going to be good for us that second year. Okay sounds great There obviously confident in it because they've made that commitment he's made the commitment to himself in his career by making the decision early enough to say we're not going to try to rehab through this and see what it feels like and well no. They've made their commitment to me. I can make a commitment to them through rehab and getting back so that i could perform so while digesting. That tweet is a lot. Because it's like okay. He's under team but really is easy. For how long does it mean. We're only going to get him for a year in or happy. Look like right. So there's there's all of that there's all of that but if you boil it all down think about twenty five plus starts that you're going to have mike levinger for and you hope it's going to be of impact and by all accounts it should be. It should matter so look. I enjoy him being a shiny cheerleader for twenty twenty one and enjoy him being the water. That would go out on his shield for you in twenty twenty two. That's who you're getting. That's what you're getting so free you. You've you've had your fair share of whether it be you or friends of yours that have had surgeries and injuries of that nature. One of the things like the first thing that i thought of when i saw the news that he was getting. Tj who is how he came back to pitch in the postseason. We were told that he could not do any further damage in doing so like it was a pain tolerance thing. That doesn't feel right to me today because if you knew the damage was done to where like this guy needs tj first of all. The season ended three weeks ago. So why the announcement now if you knew back then what. The injury was that he needed. Tj back then. Why wouldn't you just not have him start and then get him on the operating table back then in october and it just leads me to believe that the whole like oh he if he goes out there now he can't do any further damage. Like i feel like that can't be true. Well that's probably why they're going through that process of seeing what it feels like going through the rehabilitation because if it's you know a great one strain grade to strain greed three strain great three complete and full tear. These two portions of the ligament are no longer connected whatsoever going to tie these voters back together. Like shoelace. great to hanging on by a thread grade. One there's some tears there some fishers if you will. There's some fraying and we're going to try to strengthen around it and depending on your pain. Tolerance is through. All three of those levels of stream is where you're goin' like. That's how you grade this out. So when a guy tells you that he's not hurting or he feels like he can give you what you're getting and not hurt himself anymore them trying to see if he can work through it. That could be something that that might tell you. Hey you know what. Maybe it wasn't hurt as bad. But if you look at it from the other angle you could say i wonder. I wonder if the padres are so quick to pay for that year of rehab knowing. They're not going to get him because maybe they didn't nail that assessment then he couldn't do any more harm to himself and so they're like look you know what hindsight we we don't want to say we feel bad about that but wasn't ideal didn't out for everyone the way we would have liked it too so we have no problem paying for the rehab. We have no problem bringing you back year deal whatever that could be a thing to the only thing you have to consider is might clovinger is a part of the conversation. When they're telling him this is where your arms at. This is where damage could be done. This is where damage couldn't be done. And only he would know one if that conversation was had and to how. That conversation went because he just like a former teammate of his in trevor bauer could probably bleeding out on the mound from his hand from his pitching hand. And look at you ago. I'll fucking fine leave me. It could get done trevor. There's not right. Well i'm and i'm talking about bauer to right. Is the whole bullshit toronto. Yeah yeah he's he's like dying on the. You're getting ready to pass out guy you can't look. Stay out of your fucking fry. You should write on five. I'll be totally like so depending on how that conversation went with club and the training staff and and what they settled on. That's where your answer lies on whether or not the damage that could have been done was going to lead to this or if they were already here and it was something that they felt later down the road like at this point they could work around and maybe they tried to do that and they have arrived on the answer that that wasn't going to get done either so collectively we've put our heads together again and we're getting this taken care of. Yeah i mean. Obviously i hope for the best Speedy recovery kloof. It just fucking socks because you know the whole hype around the trevor. Bauer free agent pursuit being like. Hey go to san diego link back up a club and it's like well now that's that's not going to be a thing especially i mean i still shifting back to. I don't actually think bowers to sign a one year logical but positive spin. Here's your positive spin trevor. Bauer gives the world what they want and has to get his ball. Shot off with a paintball gun because he signed a multi year deal in san diego to reunite with clev- year two. And that's going to be one of the first three or four years. That trevor spins in san diego come ought to pull a fast one and be like i think he's going to sign a one year deal in then like agreed to an extension like halfway through the season. So it's like no. I said if i said i wouldn't sign a multi year deal as a free agent. I was not a free agent. I feel like that's that motherfucker is going to do. I can see that. I could absolutely see that happening. And then and then go okay. Well you know what he shows up with a Like a pd bag full of balls. Go ahead fire away. Yeah no no no. No no no no. I bought these receipt. These are my bosses are my balls. Shoot them as much as you'd like to have at an empty that hopper Man cbd md though. Like that was something that i needed to reach for when i saw the club. News wasn't happy about it. 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We can place where we think they're going to go but we'll tell you what the predictions were for years and jt real. We got a number one here and it's five years one ten. I think he stays in philly these days in philly and i think that's not the best fit and i said this yesterday i think the mets that's the best fit. That's exactly where. I was going to say but i don't know like i think if you're the mets you're right now you're you're probably honed in on bauer. You are knocking on the door of potentially a francisco door trade and that's not a slight at jt realmuto. I just feel like those. Are the top two priorities for the mets. And i think that that will. And i think if you're a team that's interested in his services you might be reading the writing on the wall here being like well it just kind of makes sense to go back to philly. They have the need. They have bryce harper campaigning for it. You don't want to piss him off. They have the money to do it. And they can't afford after the year that they just had to take a step backwards. So i have them going back to philly but it would make sense if the mets ponied up to get him. Yeah i would love. Is i would like to see him. Go to new york. Just because i think i mean going anywhere. Sure stroman is only there on a year But i think there's plenty of reason to be excited. Steve cohen there. And i think that it almost feels like the mets are like you know what y'all felt our window closed when it came to the cachet of arms that we had. We weren't able to capitalize. What's your matt. Harvey thing of the past steven matt's is what he is. What's without wheeler yeah wheeler So it's a different. It's obviously a different group. But with maybe some money to spend maybe an attack plan and some guys coming up that they'd like to secure or the that. I think any team would like to secure than yeah. Jt jt. realmuto fits because not only what he does offensively but then him behind the plate with that staff but i'm with you again on the entire vibe. Of what message are we sending the guy we just gave thirteen years two or whatever. They gave bryce right thirteen years. And we've told him that we're here to win. We've told him that will. It was the other way around. I think bryce harper told you. I'm here to win with all like the deferred payments. Oh i just mean by making that commitment because we made and that was part of that was part of the point that i made with tracking bryce harper down. And him telling you bro trade. Don't need it. I want you to know what i'm all about. Don't need the no trade. And i don't need the money right now. You go and get us what we're going to need so that that message was very clear from bryson's standpoint from the onset now i think the phillies have to consider what they look like. Or what sort of what. They're doing to the relationship if they aren't making a move like this knowing that their guy made that kind of commitment to them they're guy being bryce are so moral. The story is the phillies. Don't necessarily have to sign. Jt but they have to make an honest effort fair. Yes i mean. It's funny to say this. But they would at least have to make the effort that the nats in rizzo made for harper eleven fifty nine pm. Here's three hundred mil. Take it or leave it. What do you got live if they do that jerry. They made an effort. But the real question here is over under five years. One ten who cares where lands over under five years one ten. What do you got i. I like five years. I think he can maybe squeeze out a couple more dollars for the sake of k. Yeah i don't know if it gets the twenty-five but av right now twenty two. I can see him getting like twenty three and a half like it's going to be in the same neighborhood but i think what it's going to boil down to. He's going to create this bidding war and a you know because there are teams like the phillies. Earn a position where it's like. We can't we can't just like not. We cannot make an effort here to bring him back. And then you've got the big bad mets now. Who have all this money to play with. And they have the need at the position. And i'm sure that they could use another bat and that lineup. So that an and you're talking about Two teams in the same division. Where you don't want the other guy to get better than you because there would you agree that going into each other's wear yeah. They're kind of an on this in the same tier of talent or ability to compete. So yeah so it's almost it's almost a twofold twofold acquisition. Yeah one you get better by virtue of you. Getting better with that guy specifically that other team has gotten work. Yeah yeah so. That's gonna be interesting to see what that is trevor bauer. The prediction is three years. Eighty seven million. That has an av of twenty nine million. So we're not talking garrett cole money i guess for me. If if it's not one year for an average annual value that's north of what garrett cole is making if it's not one thing it's gonna five. I don't know why he would sign for three. Well here's the deal we in anytime we're talking about these like even on the mute deal five years he can have an out after your two for sure right and same thing for bauer so three years. He could have an out after after the first book in right and and so i think the negotiate whichever bauer is look. I'm not going to give you that out at least until year three. Then that means we've got a five year entertainment offer. And i think if. Trevor bauer is as staunch in his stance in not signing a multi year deal lip-service. Don't believe trust. I don't i don't think that that's where his head is ari. Now it's all about look dude. He he has to. You have to talk the talk and then you have to walk the walk because in this day and age very rarely. Are you given that opportunity to walk before you show anybody anything. So he has ran his mouth about how good he will be. He has been that good and has delivered on it. Now if you're talking about locking that do down for multiple years and if he can understand the value. And i think he's someone who if he wants the championship if he wants the ring he's going to have to. You'll have to approach it. Water two ways. Sure you could be that that rogue lone wolf hunting the contender every other year. So opting out and blah blah blah blah or you could be a foundational piece. You could be a guy that creates some stabilization. That allows the team to go out and bring other stabilizing forces to join you. Who do you want to be. How do you want to go about it. I think i think a four year offer. Does it for trevor bauer. I'm gonna tell you right now what's going to happen. It just fucking slapped me right in the head and make like to understand what's going to happen you have to put yourself in trevor bowers head and that's a scary place to be here me out. Here's where i think. Here's what here. I don't know if this is going to happen. Here's what makes a lot of sense to me. What if what if. Trevor bauer signs for seven years with an opt out after every year. Well they seal so because so all. Here's my logic. Well i thought about this too but we're getting into the weeds with opt outs. After every year like like who is who is signing that deal. Who's creating that deal like. Is that something that that's gonna be offered. That's going to go down like i think. So here's here's happens. Jared now the whole free agent market completely shifts completely shifts. It changes everything. Because now you're creating another tier almost of guys who are worth that option or that sort of structure nominee guide to say. Hey this is what. I one you kind of have to honor that if you want the player like coming off a cy young award is that's a big deal like johnny slapstick and be like. Hey i want an opt out after here and they're like google talk yourself but what that does now is. The player holds the team hostage in terms of loss restructure moving and teams tea. What i'm saying is i don't know that teams collectively 'cause journal mount saying that they've colluded in the past but i'm saying that owners are really good at figuring out what each other thinks and figuring out what the best move further group would be and typically outing on that. Here's my logic. So if he signs let's just call it seven years. Whatever av of twenty nine thirty right. If if he opts out then that means that he just performed really well for you and you just got your money's worth because now he thinks he can make more somewhere else or maybe with you. So you're getting bang for your buck and now you're not on the hook for the later years that maybe he's not worth twenty nine million four years from now but you have to pay him because you want you gave him the seven year deal because you wanted him on your team at that point it. Also trevor bauer agent of chaos. Here you cannot sit there and tell me that he does not love the idea of being courted as a free agent this offseason and also if he's not going to be a free agent he's going to love every off season. The conversation of will trevor. Bauer become available. He has the option. If you would like to become available he can be so even. If you're not a free agent you can still make deter. You can still create the dialogue if it's towards the end of the year and he's creeping up on another. Cy young award is trevor. But we're going to opt out is going to opt out. Where's he going if he does. He might this year like he's going to love to create that dialog. Sure but you've got to perform in order to get there and you wanna know what happens the first time that trevor. Bauer doesn't perform so seven years. Let's see ops. Seven years he finishes top five in the cy young voting next year. And is he going gonna out or no. No no no no see. Let's play the game the way you're planning. He obviously ops out. Not not what do you mean does. Is it obvious up. Because he just was worth his money and he was he was actually. Let's be real top five young. He probably outperformed his contract. And if that's the case why is he gonna around to allow an option to kick in. That's not compensating him. Fully the way. A top-five cy young finish would then signs and posts a five or a four and a half nowhere near the top twenty in cy. Young voting does that guy command the next four year contract with four opt outs that point. If he's coming off the season that you just said where it's like a top five and then the four and a half. it's like okay so like maybe it's an aberration. I would say that the larger sample over the last couple of years here as has been better than what we saw last year. Maybe maybe there's an injury that we didn't know about. Maybe there's an explanation for this. Let's talk to him. And i don't know i'm not saying that that's what's going to happen. I'm just trying to put myself in his head and think of what is the most. Trevor bauer contract that we see. And it's it's that it's that so you got so you're obviously takes or you taking the over the over on the years and multiple opt-outs. It may not be every year. I think that that's a little crazy but just yeah just a little crazy But yeah i think it could be anywhere from five to seven years with. I'm taking the over on two and a half opt-outs. Yeah i've got i've got i've got this contract being greater than where'd you got old is he. He's how old is twenty nine thirty. Yeah i've got i've got. I liked my four year deal. He is twenty nine. He will be thirty in january. Yeah i like my four year deal. Maybe there's some vesting options in there. Yeah it's gonna be interesting either way. And that's what i see happening is the the performance award like the performance bonuses and investing options. Because that's how i would counter the trevor. Bauer agent of chaos. Oh yeah you that fucking good show me your all about. I'll put my money. Where my mouth is you do what you think you're going to do. I'll backup the trump where you got him go. Don't do what you fucking ball stylus. Well that's why. I dropped the san diego comment on you is because the san diego. Acquisition clever for two years is really a second half twenty twenty two acquisition. And they've got that money spoken for that money's taken care of. They're going to make that money up so bringing in. Trevor bauer because they identified clove as the guy that was going to be a very complementary piece to what they've got going on in their rotation. Now you bring a guy like bauer in kind of serves that same purpose does not share does. And i've been i've been ryden hard on the power to san diego conversation and why it makes so much sense but i think ultimately and what makes even more sense is not san diego. It's the dodgers. That'd be nice to. I think he goes to dodgers because then that would help them with Well that help them figure out what they wanna do with. Dustin may or maybe them figuring out what they want to do with. Dustin may could help that end financially. I mean you're gonna have to make some decisions like cory. Seager is coming up next year. You're going to have to pay bellinger at some point i will now. That's where the options deal comes into price or the opt-outs come into place like i could give. Trevor bauer a three year. Deal with opt out your to guy i saw. I saw bellinger when we were in arizona. And i asked him about like the fucking the shoulder pop thing. Apparently he's done like three times. Yes so book station. If you sub luck state you've you've been there before you know what that feels like. It sucks does happen. You knew exactly what the fuck avenue is good to see him. Though george springer five years one ten. I think that's spot on the exact figure that i've got him going. I feel like this team's gonna come up a lot. I know. I know that this fan base is aiming higher but i think he goes to the mets. So you you like it right out. So you're not over under bush. Yeah i think he. I think he goes five. One ten to the mat-su five years. One twenty two the mets. Oh see. I had held a sprayer twenty nine as well. He's thirty he might even be like fucking thirty one. A guy like springer. He is oddly enough. he's going to be. He's thirty one guy like sheep timber like he's had some he's had some hammy issues. He said some ankle issues. And i'm not saying that he needs to entertain this now but is there any thought to later in their career him becoming a d. h. I'm sure yeah. Yeah he plays. He plays a really good centerfield. Hey he does. But he's he's not he's no spring chicken. He's on the wrong side of thirty. Yeah i i don't know i think again i don't know i'm settling on four. I feel like four is just number. I have in my head. So maybe the fifth years vesting sure Maybe maybe the fifth years vesting based on a combined number of plate appearances from years. Three and four. What about the giants. Would you wanna go there. If you're george springer in the mets are an option like i are the giants. Yeah i would say that there would have to be especially with taxes not that new york taxes or any better but i don't think that the giants are an attractive option to someone who also has the mets on the table. No like right now. Like the mets team. Where like it's going to be exciting to go there. There is a draw to the mets right. Now i'm taking every bit of every bit of that over the san francisco giants so you got them going to the mets. You selected the mets. If you don't have already got two out of three. I fucking guys here. Go to the mets who. I got fucking. Gt going back to philly. I got bored with the dodgers got springer with the mess. I thought i. I got to Yes i do. I don't know. I really don't know i mean just because there's so much i maybe i'm putting too much emphasis on the d. h. And whether probably going back ten. What's that by the back. End of springer's deal. The national league will probably have the d. h. What we still don't know if it's going down this year not right or next year. I mean. I don't think i don't think it's stupid. I don't think they're going to have it next year. But i think after that. Because it's all it's all going to be part of the fucking. Cb oh george springer wanna play left field minnesota minnesota damn. No you got him. Like shannon stewart. I don't know who who they lose the got. What kepler know tillerson right. Sorry you Minnesota he want him in minnesota george of minnesota. That is a wild take. That is a wild take. I just don't know. That's why i said the giants. Because they're locking up fucking gossiping or not locking up he. He took the offered him his deal. He signs his deal right. Yeah who else do they have. I don't see the giants like yeah. Why not she's as christ all right. Sure sure if if you wanna get nuts. Let's get nuts. Let's get nuts. Let's get nuts fucking. Dj lemay hugh. There's three suitors here. I think it's very easy to power rank them. The prediction here is three years. Forty two million. I think the cash is going to be higher. I think he probably goes for three like with a fourth year option. I could yeah. I think he gets more than three years. Maybe the fourth year is an option and fourteen. A year. I think he gets more than that too. I think he probably gets like eighteen over four. Whatever that fucking math is. Let's see i think the yankees make him very comfortable. Eighteen over for seventy two. That seems kind of high but whatever. Maybe it's sixteen maybe it's sixteen over four. Yeah i i think it's going to be very very difficult to convince. Dj lemay mayhew to play anywhere. But the bronx for the next few years. And i know i mean if you're three team it's it's the yankees the mets and the red sox and very rarely. Do you see a player. Who's still good going from the yankees. The red sox doesn't fucking happen because the yankees. Don't let guys go. I think that the yankees also know that he was their most valuable player in in this year and last year. They're not yeah. they're under no circumstances. Could i see. Dj lemay hugh. Not being in pinstripes. I would. It would utterly shock me if if he went anywhere else. Yeah i i. Don't see their shopping. Gary sanchez there. There once again going to really hope that judge in and stanton can play a season healthy together. And there's a guy that kinda put your mind at ease when you're looking up and down that lineup and dj lemay dj lemay. Hugh is that. Yeah i think that's the shortest conversation that we need to have like. I i think anything if you say anything but the fucking yankees i feel like. That's a hot take marcello suna. The prediction is four years. Seventy million for seventeen and a half per year. I have i have an interesting but yet make sense place that he could end up. Where's the nats now. I mean the astros are gonna need somebody. When george springer leaves you can get zona for half the price of springer basically that. does that tickle. The ball's if you're the astros You're okay with put him out there in left field Putting osuna in the. I mean 'cause one could argue depending on how you to get less to roam around out there so what i was just gonna says depending on how you have your deepen set up. If you're center is a guy that can go and get it and can move laterally and cover that Cover that little area. Where the crawford boxes kick out. Then maybe but zuzana is just not a guy that you want to rely on every day defensively. He's just he's not so so. Yeah if you wanna put them out there in left field and tell them to stay in to feed off the track and just keep it in front of you then sure. But if you're losing george springer you're not replacing anybody with ozone like you're now asking whoever's going to be stepping into centerfield there to do to do a job and also take care of osuna out there in left field and hey fucking watch out for the guy to 'cause he's not small fucking put he'll turn into an oil slur do you like him going You know who also has a dark horse who it would be. Awesome to like. See him in this line up with some other like righty bash grows and he would have the benefit of the d. h. here as well where toronto toll rondo. I'd like him a lot in toronto as a fault that you could probably help. You might be able to help. Some of those young guys What about colorado. I mean you're going to put them in that fucking outfield with no d. h. No chance no the probably the worst place to put them. That's why the d. h. This shit matters to me. I hate doing shit like this. Because you don't know you eliminate fifteen teams automatically. Well for now. I think like if you're i don't know who i don't know if you're like the phillies or something like that. It's like we can we can. We can hide them. We can absorb this for a little for one year knowing that we're probably going to get the d. h. In twenty twenty. Two if you're the rockies you're like there's no fucking place to hide the sky like can we sign him and just like bench him for a year and then we'll figure it out that ain't now at all what about the what about the halos. What about the. I mean at some point if you're the angels you can't keep throwing money at your offense and hoping that fixes your pitching. That's just not they're going to spend money on fucking pichit. How long does how long does upton have left on his contract. That's what i would want to know too probably along. Yeah the angels. I mean look we. We thought that same thing. And they signed rundown. Yeah we need. A pitcher has a fucking third baseman for two hundred and something million sound. You love it. You do. Awesome book it. Yeah and then the the makeup there was doing bundy. Well he was good. Oh no doubt no doubt. Where do you got him. Going commute team Seems another place that would be good too. But what about cincinnati. I mean would make sense. I mean they kind of just like hey what position. You play doesn't matter all right. Can you hit for sure. We'll find a spot for you out there. You can play by play. Second base l. filled with him and cost the auto. My god i just put it in the air. Just here Late their base before son. I don't know like like. I just keep i don't want to just keep throwing teams out there. I'll settle on. Know who who i say initially said in colorado i know but i said the nats very early when you asked me that question. I said then answer. I'm going to say the new. Like i'm in dc okay. That'd be cool to see him with soto that would be quite the combo. Marcus simeon marcus. Simeon three years at fifty one. Seventeen per where do you have your boy marcus simeon. Because it ain't oakland don't don't be so quick. Oh to send that ship out to siam. Don't don't be so quick pretty quick. there's a lot. There's a lot that plays into the hands of the oakland a.'s. A lot. yeah. He should have made him a qualifying offer. I think yes if you had intentions of locking him up or had intentions of entertaining him for an extended period of time. Then yeah off make him. That was a fucking. Mvp finalists one year ago and now it's like well where are we gonna put it on. Who owns this guy. Like i feel like if you know if he was a free agent after twenty nineteen. This conversation is wildly different. Yeah he he just I don't know why everyone so down on simeon after one year. Well exactly. They're down on him after the year that he had to. That's what's crazy is it's not like he's just trying to win whole home home home home home and no. He had a phenomenal. Yeah and he has only gotten better throughout his career but again he's no spring chicken. I know right The hometown discount the fact that his entire family he and his wife's family are right there. That's gonna help. That's going to help a lot. The taxes do not help. You are correct in the fact that the last big deal. The as signed was a six years. Sixty six million dollar deal for eric chavez and that that doesn't necessarily bode in favor of margaret semi now i mean when when the guy who's the highest paid player in team history his peak was at a point where he was on the cover of a video game in two thousand into. I believe. yeah it's been a little bit since they've since show that so. Let's let's move on from the ace because that's just not that's not where he's going to end up. I saw i feel like people think he ended up with the angels. And the angels would trade. Andrew jackson simmons and i'm going to go a different route because there is another team. I got that is gonna be trading their short stuff and they are going to need a shortstop because they have just traded their shortstop. So i mean if if the demand is out there why not why not bring him to cleveland. Why not have him be the guy that at. Least if you're if you're i know that the owners don't give a fuck about like the fan perception or anything but if you're going to trade francisco door the face of your franchise you're gonna piss off whatever remaining fans that you have left but at least you can try and save face a little bit being like well. This guy was an mvp finalist two years ago. It's not like we traded lind door and replace them with some slouch like this guy was an mvp finalist a year ago. So i i think it makes sense. Do i think that the indians do it. No do i think that they should. Yeah even if it's on a one year deal whatever. Yeah i go back You know where. I think i mean simian what about simeon in cincinnati. A who they have fucking jose iglesias. Where was he last year. And he's in baltimore. Yeah he was not in a They they have. They have nobody. Maybe yeah that'd be cool and you plug human that lineup with. Because he's got he's got thirty. Pump potentia casinos. Mussa janos bado. Who the focus by short for the reds this year while my buying on that young guy fuck. I'm not even going to pretend to fucking knows. Name fucking galves for yellows could have been. He started every game. And i could. You could be correct and you could tell me that galvez retired for years. I mean i know freddy galveston earlier this year right. I know so. But yeah. I know whatever. Yeah i i got semi into the indians based on logic. Some indian near you gotta you gotta go on the reds. Now where did i. Where did i originally thought. I thought you had fucking going back to oakland. Which is not fees. no no no no no no. I said there were reasons to not count out the oakland as as a viable suitor than the angels. That's all i said. You said the angels and the reds so i'll take the reds what about detroit short for detroit nico could mean anyone can play the Right now he makes you go detroit cool liam hendriks projected to get thirty six over three. That's twelve million bucks a year so that is out of the oakland a.'s. price ring. No no no no no no no no no no no no yeah so. The obvious shift been shifted consideration. Shared cool So the obvious answer here is the phillies. I mean you take a look at the top free agent relievers out there you take a look at the worst bullpen and major league baseball. I think i think this might has. The potential to not work out is if the phillies are so honed in on rim. Yudo that that like liam hendriks has identified where he wants to go a team. That's talking numbers with them and know seem satisfactory. I think the potential is decent for hendrix to sign before rio does and if that's the case then it's like well can you blame the phillies. Yes you can because you fucking need. And i understand that. Jt is a big piece of what you've got going on there but you need to identify your greatest weakness and it doesn't fucking blind person can be like hey philly use some bullpen. Help liam hendriks. You can help me out back there. He's a fucking animal. Go get this guy. But yeah i understand on both sides you. You're going to prioritize. Jt dude that's going to on a day to day basis being making the greater impact but identify your greatest weakness. It is the bullpen and they should very much say. Hey liam what's it gonna take. We gotta talk. What if the white sox had that kind of stopper yeah. They're also like another team. That's not really known for shell out big bucks. But i guess like thirty. Six three isn't crazy They would need to call me crochet. We never really got an update on crochet. Every like bomber. I mean yeah. I mean they could use another guy. They could use another guy back there. I don't know if my eyes be able to adjust to watching liam hendriks in a houston astros. Oh no the heart. That would really hurt the heart. Because if there's one thing that you saw from the houston astros was they probably could have it. Could use that. I mean the second osuna went down. It was like they were trotting out absolute bombs. I mean and and they had guys from able who were starting and relieving and trying to figure it out who did very well very well. All things considered the lack of experience in being just thrust into that moment. Pretty damn good job that being said not a good to have you have a fucking like liam and four. What score is where. Do you want me pitch faith finicky. Fuck ball mates back. It comes one hundred bucks. Do be nice if they're a guy like that to know. Hey wait good news is you guys. Do have a manager deal. So you're you're slow. We put together. I mean credit to me. I don't. I don't really talk about the red sox on this show. I don't i say i i leave the bias at the door when i liked him hendrix on my team because the only human being that breathes air that you will even acknowledge as a managerial figure was not the manager of the team. The team probably could have not real dad. Ron probably could've sent out pawtucket and nobody. Nobody in baseball would have noticed. And it wouldn't have mattered. I mean we've also been doing this show for like four or five years now so i don't think it's just like twenty twenty and it's like the only sample but anyways yes i would like to have liam hendriks but i do think that philly makes the most sense masahiro tanaka. He's not going anywhere agree. No oh tanaka. He's staying put. Yeah i do is that because the is that because the yankees don't want to let him go or i don't think i mean like you're not you're not going to bring back paxton jordan. Montgomery was a disappointment. J. coming back. They can't afford to lose like fucking three four-fifths after coal. If you let tanaka walk plus you. You saw the picture. You saw the luis severino will come back share. But you saw the picture fucking right after the season was over. Who was masahiro tanaka at dinner with garrett cole. That's all you need to see. That's all you need to know. Wrap it up. And they'll figure out the numbers you got money coming off the books because of the other guy. You're the option didn't vest for hap- you're not going to bring back paxton. It's a no-brainer. Tanaka is not going anywhere. Yeah the minute that. I saw that photo. Yes just like the deal is already done. Just waiting to announce expect exactly welcome k. That's that's a no-brainer. michael brantley. Three years forty five million. That's fifteen million per year is the prediction. I've seen. I've seen george springer linked to the red sox a lot. And i have him going to the mets. I think if you actually google george springer aim like it auto fills red sox. I've got michael brantley coming to boston. I do wow. I've got michael brantley coming to boston. And that's not a homer pick that is like a. Let's call it an educated guess. And i'm not saying like is michael. Brantley is coming to boston. Like he's already agreed on it. I've just heard through back channels that he wants to come to boston whether or not he does do that. Don't know i don't even know if the red sox have reached out to michael braley. No clue but i have heard that. He has interest in coming to boston. So how old is he. He's gonna be thirty three. I was gonna say thirty to thirty three. Michael brantley is thirty. Three years old. He'll be thirty. Four on may fifteenth so three years. I got. I'm i'm taking the under on the deal two years. Yeah two year peace peace. yeah two year apiece. And why can't oh michael. Brandt go play Can he go play in toronto. But it's gonna be hard for you know they're going to have marcello zuma so yes you got your boy zuni. But they've got because what would that look like. Who's out there. Task hernandez Grischuk randall grit chick. Little league legend randall critic. Who else is out there. What what about what you call it. fucking girls brother lord of the florida's brielle isn't he kind of like but he he's a he's a hybrid guy. He's like tyrian. Yeah yeah look at sin. Mahgoub relative toronto with a young boys. Now i'm not even strongly advocating for brantley. I just me fucking something dude. Like christ All right so those the top ten free agents where we think they're going to go and the predictions for what they're gonna make. The two thousand twenty hall of fame ballot was released and the top returning vote. Getters curt schilling uncle kurt. Seventy percent ninth year on the ballot. Second to last. This'll be the year. That uncle kirk gets and shame on me for not beating him rock paper scissors because the wager was if i beat him he would give me a shout out and his hall of fame speech. I blew it. I didn't win the rocket. Clemens sixty one percent is also his ninth year on the ballot. Barry bonds you the man barry barry lamar sixty point seven percent. This is also his ninth year on the ballot. And we talked about this. Funny funny that we We had this conversation in spring training on our bites. And i called it the asshole class and i don't mean it that way like i love project you know that you know i love berry and you know. I love uncle kurt. But i'm saying the general perception. Whatever kurtz fucking twitter account. The steroid performance enhancing drug allegations against rocket and berry. So we'll get to the new players that are on the ballot for the first time in just a second but no one. No one from the first year guys are making the hall of fame this year. It's not happening so if you would like to have a year and then the other the other person would be omar vizquel fifty two point six percent. He's not going to be able to make that leap. But if you wanted to vote omar being in this group. He's in like the tier below like these are no aassir standpoint. From an opinion standpoint from a perception standpoint you've got curt schilling. Roger clemens barry bonds and then omar still like one of the most widely and liley regarded and respected and beloved players in the game but in terms of. Like if you're gonna group it in terms of at the percentages that they were at last year who can make the jump to get in this year. Omar vizquel will fall short of that. He you can't make the jump in one year. That omar needs to make to get into the hall of fame. I think he will get into the hall of fame but those guys schilling bonds clemens. Those guys that are looking at the whole class do you think that i mean shillings getting in. So he's he's getting it. Seventy five percent seventy five percent so shillings getting in and do you think that if you're a voter that they're buying into this logic that if you're going to put these guys in like i understand making them sweat it out the full ten years so that they've absolutely bet on the ballot waiting as long as you possibly can before you can get in but if you also want to create a scenario where it's like all right we're not we're not gonna put like a derek jeeter up there with bonds and clemens and schilling like there's no there's no golden boy that you have to have this you know whatever people want to call it a day baseball history you can just have those three individuals get together with nobody else. And you're not like grouping in someone else to ruin their big day and like be asked. Well how does it feel to go in with. You know being overshadowed by guys like that like you can just put those three guys in together. Get it over with in year nine verses making them sweat it out for ten years. Do you think dallas. Do you have the fucking paul's today. November seventeenth and our lord's year of twenty twenty to say that bonds clemens and schilling will become hall of famers together in this next hall of fame class dallas. Do you have the fucking balls to say that no no you don't think so thinks schillings getting his own day. I don't i don't know feelings getting it. Don't even start is you. Don't get to seventy and then just halt dude. One thing that has helped. Is that some of the old dogs. Some of the old guard have moved on from their post and had had that vote taken right and with the new voter has come a fresh perspective and sort of a In a men's that has been made or a we've all come to terms with with what has gone on. And i'm speaking when i say we all i mean the new age voter and hey yes steroids. Whatever but you know what it's a museum it's gonna tell the story of the game. Let's put them in there. May maybe that happens. But i also think that for this for a lot of the reasons that uncle kurt no longer worked at espn and continues to put himself in the light that he does publicly. Whether you like it or not whether you agree with it or not. If that's going to have an impact or if that stuff's going to matter and factor into the voting what he's got going on is is not helping him if you feel that. His outspokenness has prevented him from having his day. It has because it's not the it's not the steroids and it's not anything like that. You know anything that is quote unquote marred the game or given the game of black. I if it's not that and it's just him as a person and how he's behaving or how he's behaved in the past like the most your most recent taste of uncle kurt in your mouth probably isn't swaying you to forget some things and lean a different way if you haven't been given him his flowers to this day so i i don't know man i don't know i just because i don't know i don't know where the voters are willing to draw the line. You know because you have to ask yourself. If you're telling that story about a guy do i. Do i want to be perceived as somebody who doesn't care about the human being and just wants his personal performance to be acknowledged and blah blah blah blah blah like. Do i want to hear people crush me for twenty thirty years about how he's treated people in bubble and do i always want to just go. I don't fucking care. He was a phenomenal postseason. Threat was a god like. That's what i'm talking about. I'm talking about the baseball player like so he kicked puppies. Do you think. I kicked puppies bad person because i voted for the really good baseball player. Who kicks puppies. No but if in your head. I'm the puppy kicker. Right along with him. The problem is with you not me. I'm not kidding fucking puppies on voting for really good baseball players. And that's who you know. Maybe not so great human being is he's a really good baseball player. Yeah i agree so that goes for everybody that goes for everybody in the game. Everybody in whatever game you're talking about like that's why i said the hall of fame museum telling the story of our game. If it was ever about character you'd have to shut the fuck indoors on that place. You would never be able to will allow people in to hear the stories you just would because we have to start with knowledge that an entire race of people races of people just weren't allowed to play that game for one and you mean to tell me that's a warm and fuzzy story. That's a warm and fuzzy part of the history of the game that you're okay with being around but all this guy was a bad apple so let's not get the what is branch rickey in the hall of fame beliefs is he. He is okay. Well actually watch. I watched forty two on the way to arizona on the plane shirt where it's great shirt. It's great yeah. So i think that's my hope and it makes the most sense. They're going to get it in eventually. And it's like fucking chilling deserves to a hall of famer like it's like you can say whatever you want about him as a person like dallas just said if you kept people out based on character you you wouldn't have very many people still in the hall of fame a we'd have a wall. We'd have a wall of that and it wouldn't be the whole it'd be the and i know people often cite the postseason heroics of curt schilling but it's like that. Under the postseason. Narrative should be included one thousand percent but it kind of like undermines what a great baseball career he had like the regular season. It's like he wasn't just a postseason legend. He was fucking great pitcher. And when you when you look at some of these newcomers on the ballot this year like a barry zito like tim hudson burly and get him in you. Compare those three guys these first timers on the you say these are very good. These are very good pitchers. And i'm not going to close the door on mark burleigh becoming a hall of famer someday Maybe even a tim hudson early might be. I have no idea what burley's like like career numbers would stack up and how they would stack. What's his career war. I think he averaged a four and a half over like his like a ten year. Stretch so like. Oh you don't need to tell me about this. Do jared jared. There was one corrobos one one year one year. Jared let me say that again one year in this dude's career that he didn't pump out two hundred eighty one ninety seven or whatever the fuck it was one yes probably is. Don't want to one nine thousand eight. It was yeah one year one. But when i was going to say was you know you look at these guys. Like zito and The fuck was i just saying. Yeah burly you look at those three guys and you stack them up against each other. It's interesting to have the debate of who had the better career out of these potential hall of fame candidates these guys it will be on the ballot for the first time and then you take those three guys who have somewhat similar numbers in depending on what your numbers that you're looking at and then you stack them up. At least when you're looking at their peaks they had very different careers but like when you look at their peaks you can see a lot of similarities but when you take those three guys and you stack them up against curt schilling. You're like well fuck like this guy is on a completely different level. Like why are we talking about curt schilling in the ninth on the fucking ballot. When it's like this guy's a slam dunk hall of famer. He's not in the hall of fame because it was goddamn twitter. And he can't shut his fucking mouth and i've told them to the twos fucking phase. Kurt shut the fuck up. Just for one year please. I'm begging you won't do. Who's do it. And if we're being honest man the only reason and it sucks terribly because there's a guy named aubrey. Oh god we're going with this. Know who will listen. I'll tell you he he. He's he's kind of echoed the same sentiment not about the hall of fame but about being accepted or liked by his teammates or excuse me his former teammates former fans you know whatever and he knows what impact he had on that team. He knows what really played in winning the world series he. He knows that his teammates know that and the fans know that. And i believe he felt like that was going to be enough for him to not be a part of the celebration. You know what that wasn't enough. It wasn't enough and it matters that he was not invited. It matters that he was cut out of the celebration. And that's celebrating a championship right a lifelong memory. That's just one team. One year that will forever live on with curt schilling. We're talking about the culmination of a career in its entirety from start to finish from the first day you got signed up to go play little league with a snotty nose and your uniform on all fucked up to dominating in the world series as the greatest one two punch the postseasons ever seen. And you're not going to be celebrated and your effort on the baseball field. Is it going to be celebrated and acknowledged the way it should be. Because you won't get out of your own way that will affect you the day that you don't get into the hall and it will affect you each and every day you spend having to justify to yourself why you didn't get in so i would. I would do what you have done. Jerrod i would. I would ask him to just give yourself five good minutes in the mirror and figure out how important your legacy really is to you to your family. Because i know what kind of stories you want to be able to tell to your grandchildren. And i know they're not about what could have been what should have been. That's not the conversations you wanna hang by the fire wire chasing your forty eight fucking chickens. Absolute gonna take. We'll see but yeah. The hall of fame. Discussion is always an interesting one and we will be continuing that discussion as the weeks. Go on during the offseason. We get closer to voting time. Which i believe is january when they released the ballot. I i love baseball hall of fame season. And i think this particular ballot will be very much discussed and digested and talked about and reacted too. Because you know we do. Have the personal relationship with uncle. Kurt and we do love ourselves. Some barry lamar bonds and the rocket clemens It's something that i feel very strongly and passionately about and i. You know what. I'm gonna put out some fucking bonds shirts fuck. It just made that decision right now. i'm going gonna. I'm going to have them. Put out some fucking barry shirts. And i'll wear it every day. I wear it every day until you get the fucking hall him do. We need to put on a shirt that just has your how you hit them on twitter on the front and the how i hit him on the back. Yeah you just put you the man berry on the front. And then we'll just put berry lamar bonds on the back. We got to put out a whole line. I want i want to like make chicken shirts chicken shirts. I'm gonna make barry. Bonds belongs in the hall of fame. There's we're going to put out a whole fucking bunch of shit. 'cause uncle uncle kurt has flown. The yeah i i gotta tell you. When hall of fame season comes around. I had this debate with myself on whether or not i want to just absolutely skewer. The asshole ballots that. Come through the ones that you know are just complete asshole. Hurry and. I don't know that i ever land on a definitive like yeah. I'm just going to crush this. This vote or if. I'm just gonna leave it alone because you don't want to give the individual any more attention because you know that's exactly what they've just done if they've they. They've tweeted this out and they've cast their vote this way so that they could potentially land a a segment on. Mlb network they want to. They want someone to interview him and ask him. What the hell were you thinking so i. I don't know. I don't know which me is going to to win that battle. Well we'll find out sustained tuned for that Stay tuned for probably. We've got fairbanks next week. We know pete fairbanks of the tampa bay. Rays will be on the show next week. Preciado you listening to this episode. It was i mean we. We started getting everything. Today at noon is now the sun is down in. My my studio sun was up when i got in here so it was a heavy days. Starting nine we appreciate you guys for all the support. We're trying to bring you as many interviews as we can and trying to keep you guys connected to baseball as we all navigate the offseason and try to figure out what the fuck we're going to do with no baseball so we tried to bring you as much baseball into your life as as possible during this time with no baseball so again shot to the grounds crew. We appreciate you guys. Dallas any final thoughts here if you guys have any ugly sweater ideas. Oh yeah fire those off far. Hit me up been been in the lab. We'll see if Maybe there's just something. I feel like i feel like maybe this design. We'll finally get us a j. okay. I can't wait for that then. So stay tuned.

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"AH WELCOME BACK TO STARTING Nine John Episode One thirty two. We got teams Clinton left and right we get teams Clinton left and right we have we could go pick a hand left the right right. Oh okay so we're going with the cubs. Having having one of the worst colossal failures in history of September Baseball Theo Epstein by the way has said that he stained early. She said there's no merit to the reports. He said he doesn't he's. I don't plan on going anywhere. Sometimes Plans Change Dallas. You know like like sometimes you can. You can adjust on the fly and sometimes you know things that you You didn't plan originally. Hey you're going to completely different route in life I I mean it makes sense and I mean. Has it been linked. He's been leaked back to the Red Sox hasn't he. I think so yeah yeah there was a story out there on a Barstool sports dot Combo now you know how he could maybe find his way back to the red SOx which I don't know if he used to be the general manager of the Red Sox so this is this is familiar territory and I just I just thought that I thought there was a connection there because you were talking about you know people having plans and in plans changing the red SOx probably could fit into that box in this year and so that I can absolutely see why Rocco Ball Deli excuse me lightweight lightweight Theo Epstein is is somebody that's on the brain of the Boston red so I could see why he's on that radar for sure from speaking to be on on the brain. I mean Rocco Ball delays on brain. I mean I I love Rocco Ball Deli. I feel like we are that was the one that I wanted to grab. Obviously if it's first spring training when we went down there you had to run home because you're about to be a two-time sex champion and I I saw Rocco got to talk to him and the twins clubhouse in spring training when it's your first spring as a as a big league manager you've got shit to do you wish your time digging around with guys like me so Rocco Ball Deli very happy for him. The Minnesota twins have officially clinched as of last night with the Cleveland Indians loss against the White Sox so for the first time since two thousand ten the Minnesota Twins are champions of the Al Central this was. I don't think many people had the Minnesota twins and I don't think many people have the Minnesota twins winning the AL central before the season started. Maybe some people jumped on the bandwagon along the way. Maybe some people got on earlier than others. Maybe some people got on earlier than others but I will say a lot of people in this was this was a slam dunk for the Indians. It was the Indians Division to lose. They've been the kings of the Ale central since twenty thirteen. They've been on this run yeah but you know what happens to run Jerry O. J. I R. J. J. Pop in you have to remember. I put everybody on notice early on telling you the addition of Nellie the addition of the boom stick. It is going to pay dividends in a way that the Minnesota twins. They don't even know it yet. They haven't even seen it coming. They haven't felt it. They're they're gonNA. They're GONNA and they did they absolutely did I talked about this being a point in time shifting of the power of balance in this division vision where the Cleveland Indians seemingly have gone from having a stranglehold on this division to now looking up potentially taking in October from the couch like I said and that was not the thought heading into the season this was once again going to be about the tribe and how close maybe the twins were. We're getting to being able to make noise well that song and dance has been Sung and the Jig is up and it doesn't involve does not involve all the tribal it involves career years from guys like Max Kepler Rosario Escobar. I mean come on they fucking desert but that bullpens been ridiculous as well I mean I don't want to say I saw coming but I do want to let you know that I told you this was going to happen. You're you're on early. You're on early. none of us had them before the season two but j there are war games remaining in the season for their one and a half gains back it could happen. I I mean they could in theory they could get in. I'd be devastated if they didn't like. I want trust me. I want Indians as now Walker Walk Card game more than anybody I mean the rays have had themselves a nice little lysol season here but I mean if we're going to have to pick between venues of the Coliseum or Tropicana Field's for a Home Field Advantage fucking playoff game I I think I think I would rather tie an anchor to my penis. We're going to call it the diehard wildcard because that's diehard walk diehard wildcard because that's the only way you can appreciate baseball at either. One of those venues is if you're a fucking die hard hard and we all know earliest I do and I think you guys can understand why teams you don't WanNa come to Oakland you. Don't I want to come to Oakland. Doesn't WANNA COME TO OAKLAND the players Tampa Bay at fucking dingy dungeon. Nobody wants to go there either. It's going to look at this goes down in Oakland. which I foresee going down in then I like our chances hours being the as I did play for them once in a five game set or getting to that five games set but there's there's still ball games left so going to play these ball all games just left Anaheim Anaheim by the skin of their teeth did the Oakland A.'s so when when games like that happen the Indians though you're all but down and out you you know we still going to play the game yeah you do you really do but that's that's going to be an absolute Shicho of wildcard game regardless of where it is? I mean give me your confidence level like the shot last night. It's well last night. Was I think the turning point the window. was there the athletics at one point. We're going to lose I mean we're losing the game before Matt Chapman came through in the biggest way possible the rays were against the Yankees you would think that the Yankees would be able to take one of these games from them. that's turned out not to be the case and the Indians lost what should have been a winnable game against the team that is trying like any other real major league baseball team tries but has been eliminated for functionally two months three months four months. Yeah it's over like I said I said last night like we can make it as complicated as we want. The the Ark of the season has been extremely interesting for the Indians but to me it goes back to the fact that like this team is going to miss out on the postseason by something like one to two games games and the decisions they made going back to this offseason are absolutely in the range of one two three four wins worth of value. They may have made a difference with the division but the idea of not choosing to bring back Michael Brantley not paying fair money for a good player at a position action where you didn't have any good players in in a year where you're squarely in your championship contention window. You haven't won since one thousand nine hundred forty eight eight all of that you made the decision not bring him back and you're gonNA miss out on the postseason by a game or to Rent Lease War J. O. Oh I think I'd lean look but I know a four one player. I was going to say four. That's the point I mean like yes. It's never only about one player but it is about like the mindset and the decision making that was had this offseason that was I think overly confident in terms of the gap between them the twins and everybody else and injuries played a part for sure but that's part of the baseball season and as we said before if you choose not to invest in the depth in the roster didn't win the injuries happen and you don't have the adequate people to step up an and fill the void then that's that's so let me ask you this. Let let me ask you this. Is it fair to categorize this and what the Indians have gone through as a collapse of sorts or or is it because 'cause you you and I were talking about this and there are some things that factor in to what to be described as a collapse okay and definition of one the definition of the word the definition of the of the word collapse starts with a C. and ends with an ABS. That's that's the definition of collapse but with the Cleveland Indians have done they've they've played decent baseball but the folks around them the people that they're trying to keep pace with the Joneses if view will wearing green and gold wearing whatever fucking off colored blue and whatever off-colored green the fucking raise call that I don't know but when you're trying to keep up with them and they are playing baseball at plus five hundred almost six hundred clip that makes it very tough for you just estate performance that doesn't include some of the talent that you're talking about missing J. so while I think it's fair to call what the Chicago cubs have experienced and endured as a collapse are we are we borderline collapse on the Indians. Wh what is it. I mean they're going to win. Ninety four ninety ninety five ninety three games and I mean the cubs have lost eight straight games. That's a collapse. Their odds have essentially evaporated in the span of eight days. The Indians postseason odds evaporating over the course of a month and a half is just definition not a collapse like they are going to have a good season by any real standard and this is a credit to the twins first and foremost for winning. I mean maybe a hundred ball games this year and to so the athletics and raise secondarily who have just played at a higher level and really more consistently throughout start to finish on the season than the Indians have and that's to me it to me. It is not a collapse at all it you can blame the team you can like. You can blame the way it was put together but they're they're playing winning baseball down the stretch for the most part. It's just not winning enough. Do you have any regrets about trading Trevor Bauer. Oh no no I don't I haven't honestly man and I have not thought about the fact that this team does not have Trevor Bauer like one time since the week of the trading him being objectively terrible role for the for the red since the trade. I think helps that but there's definitely like a butterfly effect there like I don't think that he pitches pitches as poorly if he stays in because he wasn't pitching with the Indians though like his Yara was over four with the Indians I don't. I don't think that trade like I still like the assets that they picked up for him on this team moving forward. It didn't propel the team. I think it's safe to say eh but they have played well. They have played well since the deadline again. Just not well enough not as not as well as the teams that they're competing directly cle- against and that's a huge problem in sports when you finish with fewer wins than the teams that you need to finish with more wins than yeah. That's not a good recipe. No no no not not good at all another team that clinched last night the Milwaukee brewers. They're head back to October by the away Christian Yelich on the podcast. Today we talked about a number of things we talked about tasteful nudes. We talked about his injury. We talked about the experience during and after it we talked about his his mbps's and last year his potential MVP told his face as I I was looking at the numbers before I was looking at the numbers I didn't think that you are the MVP and then up. It's crazy actually do research and you have a different or better opinion and Christian Yelich should probably still win the MVP. We'll see well. He's the guest on today's show. The Milwaukee brewers are headed back to walk Tober. They have clinched a playoff berth the division. Obviously that's all. There's not enough time I bet you if the season played out another month that the brewers would win the fucking central. I bet you if there's another month left but when there's three days left it's just not not as tasty. We'll the tough to to make up that ground there but for whatever anybody feels about the brewers chances in the playoffs. It's not really important. It's really more about the journey to get there. I think that's also really worried about the job because the journey we've all witnessed to the journey. I need to know what's going to happen. After the after we arrived after we get out of the car and kick off the dust us to travel. We've shown up to the postseason what's going down. What's the plan? I don't know that the plan is extremely a positive for the Milwaukee brewers like Sir. Yeah Yeah Yeah I am. I think I'm sure about that I look in all due respect Zak. ABC All due respect to chase and it's all due respect to the rest of that starting staff all due respect to the Milwaukee brewers as a whole to the to to the Yellow Bruise. He was not out in the trenches. You're you're part of it part of your roller sleeves with it. I just don't know who do you compete with. I don't know that there's a team that you jen that. You genuinely compete like I I I. I'm taking the cardinals over the crew. I'm taken uptaken the nats over the crew. I'm taking Clinton one game. I think so if if the crew out lighting up who are you lining up against either one of those those three from Washington I mean everybody I mean that's that's Brew Crew Baseball. We throw everybody at you. Strike out twenty times we hit five homers and you're GONNA see every one of Var pitchers in that nine and expand just to fuck with you. You're not gonNA see. There's no turnover lineups here in Milwaukee. It's banned Davies. Can you just it's you could have a situation in this wildcard game because of strategy where you legitimately seven different pitchers. I think that's how it's going to go. I think think they're gonNA bullpen the shit out of that game in the wildcard game because they know they're going up against Sherzer. They do not have an ace to counteract him. I I will put the over under hundred six and a half pitchers that will appear in that game for the Milwaukee brewers and I I'm sorry I just don't see that being a good recipe recipe to to to win one game in one game I mean it's not the best recipe. The best recipe is having an ace. The brewers don't have one but if you're you're GonNa Confuse the lineup and just throw the kitchen sink at them for one game in a game seven hundred zero. There's there's a ton of stock that gets put into that and I'm almost tired of it. I'm almost tired of Oh. I'm going to start writing to get them to switch lineup. I'm GonNa let's remember something. These are fucking big leaders. Okay Eh these are big leaguers and a fund manager writing out the lineup and I've got somebody in that lineup coming to me going. Hey look they've got the righty starting. Are you sure you want you know what you should probably pack your Shit and get out of here right now anyway. You're not a guy I need the lineup. I don't know that many guys like that exist in the big leagues jeered nobody's knocking on their managers door asking asking for the day off because of WHO's on the mound unless you guys might catch him you know catch a little back strain or might catch a little or no intercostal where they've got the left on left power matchup one that they could do without but come postseason time I don't care what side of the player hitting from and I don't care what side of the plate that baseball's coming to or coming from you have to be ready to fucking play and the manipulation of a pitching approach by virtue of trying to get the other teams best hitters in and out of the lineup early on like that just for me that starting to fall on deputies I mean there. There is something to be said about what pitchers numbers are when they see a lineup for the third time. I mean like they're they're not good. I just wanted to but I I understand the Washington nationals will be favored in a wildcard game against the Milwaukee brewers especially especially if that game is played in DC. I'm just saying that for one game. If the brewers I mean one the brewers decide to bullpen the nats to death that I don't hate their chances if they they can hit and guess what Sherzer he gives up some homers the brew crew do they like to hit homers. They strike out a lot shirts or easily could could end up going like five and a third four earned ten strikeouts. I mean that could happen and then you get into that bullpen and you see what happens and once they get into the nationals bullpen. That's where I like the blue the Bruce Chances that's where I like their chances so I mean and if if that's where it ends in the division series they run into a into a dodgers team that just beats them into the ground. That's okay because no one expected them to even be in the wall. Oh Card game if they can get past Max Scherzer and in a wildcard game on the road. Is there something written down that says the nationals can't go sherzer Corbin. Is there something written why would you why would you waste two of your aces. When you've got the dodgers coming up well for every reason that you just mentioned if the the nats realize that user is their savior and there's not much after that and you have to win this game who guess what I'm GonNa need my best options and if if I'm if I'm debbie I'm Dave Martinez? I'm thinking about how I might be able to deploy one or two. Maybe two of these starters if I'm that concerned with the bullpen and there's nothing that says that can't happen in either now I get it. You got to think about the next day right thing about the next series thinking about the next okay but you can't think about that next series if you don't win the game today so that's that's always an option considering what you're talking about a team running out their entire bullpen. There's no reason that a Washington nationals channels team could be completely honest with themselves and say guys. I feel like this might be our best option to win this nine inning Ballgame J. cared away in in on brewers nats wildcard game. I just plain out I think they're gonNA bullpen it too. I think it's GONNA WE'RE GONNA see a lot like what the Yankees did. I agree with that. I think it's going to be I mean obviously any team can win a wildcard game and I would always go with the signature ace. I think the would be should be favored in a head to head matchup against burs. That's fair and they will be and I. I don't object to that whatsoever. I'm just saying don't sleep on the crew. No I wouldn't dare don't sleep on the crew eight much bruin further crewe dot what yeah ain't much bruin just the fucking best record in baseball this month just fucking absolutely bulldozing everyone in their path not a big deal feel sorry about it. speaking of the nationals they obviously clinched as well Bryan Dosier the new team mascot. He's dancing around. He's naked. He's got his titties out. got the nationals. Do you think do you think this was a despite making it to the wildcard. Game was disappointing season for the nationals after going out and consigning Patrick Corbin. Do you think that that should have been the move. There was no brainer they they win the east. I don't know if it's a move that's the no brainer puts them over the Hump type deal. I mean if you look at that rotation you tell me that's not division champion. No I mean that's yes Y- you're thinking but was that the one move that you thought solidified those odds heads or like guaranteed them that I think it's a move that absolutely bolster their opportunity. There's no denying that but with the with the Atlanta braves came on last year and what they had the potential to continue to do this year there is no way that you could just have handed that division to the nets it was going to be heated and that's why I think we were all excited about the NFL because when the phillies stock up the way that they did and the nats are featuring the rotation that they're featuring and the baby bravo's are turning into the big bad bravo's. You're pretty fucking stoked about what that's GonNa. Look like at the end of the year and I think for the most part you got the performance you were looking for from the Atlanta Lanta braves you are disappointed by the Philadelphia phillies understanding the injuries and things that they've dealt with but then also with the nats you kind of kind of had some left to be desired there with the lackluster performance from the bullpen I mean Anthony Don has done a magnificent ignificant job of hogging the spotlight and taking some attention off of some of the other voids one Soto has been tremendous in that regard it is well. I think that's even just the word tremendous is still like downplaying how great a season he had. It's great man it even how old he is. What the expectation take everyone's like? Oh we lose Bryce Harper this and that I mean once Soto has I haven't looked at it side by side but at the top of my head I would say that the season that wants Soto auto hat in two thousand nineteen would be Bryce Harper second best season ever. It's your I actually did take a look at because remember I was. I was very very vocal about one Soto. Being guy who could absolutely ease the pain lawn Soto could ease the pain. Is he going to to jump right in and become Bryce Harper two point oh I was. I was leery about the prospects of that well. I feel like that has happened. I feel like who wants Soto is now to the nets is who bryce Harper was the nats after a few years after the shine kind of wore off of bryce being who bryce was in in Washington after the you know spotty performances. I guess when I say spotty I mean you know the the great homer surged average numbers and then that kind of goes down one Soto has been a sustainable peace of excitement for the nets fan base yeah and I feel like he's still under appreciated by the the casual baseball fan I feel like you know one soda burst onto the scene and he was hitting these moon shots and Yankee Stadium and you know those are going viral because of the distance and it's like this isn't just like like a a home run hitter. That's GonNa hit these majestic home runs. This is a complete player this. This is the guy that's GonNa be a difference maker in DC and quite frankly he's going to be the reason why nationals fans alike bryce opera who the folks that we got Juan Soto. I mean anyone that would Sherpur Nash if I were nationals fan in someone's shirt me about bryce harper leaving. It'd be like yeah one subtle yeah yeah so what New Amsterdam Vodka we just had launch party for the the pink Whitney's. 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Fuck off because can you believe the audacity Daffy of this guy actually asking if I would have time to come over and refreshes ice packs since we since we live in the same neighbor. Would I be able to come over uh-huh and help him if he needs something from the are you fucking kidding me or you are the Bulls on that guy yeah. Mvp I fucking get it pal. I killer your podcast Dallas. You can't no no. I'm not chasing your balls in the cage. I'm not fetching you a brew from the Bucket Fritsch. No Oh God take these guys down for you absolutely name me left. Testicles got your name all over it pal. I appreciate that. What about Jay would you do for J? I've done it for J. I have bled for that man. I have bled for him in the halls walls of the four letter network. I stripped bare my soul to him. Oh my God I was so easy on you without further ado here's five-time starting nine guests Christian Yelich I five times wow of five timer Christine five times you knew because I remember I remember when we were in Cleveland for the All Star game and then there's some chick came up and she was like Oh my God jared nobler now Christian Yelich right there. I know like he's been on a lot and I was like Christian. How many times you've been on you like four before now? You're five timers. This is yeah so. I'm trying to remember all of them. It's either it's either four or five number five then or call because I mean I don't know how many you've done on solo because you did do one did one what Shah Yeah you did one with Shah an themes. I think he's right to three so maybe that's why I'm telling you. I think it's might be four or five with you but I don't know how. This might be three cells four or five so we're here. This is my first time Milwaukee Yeah and you've been you've been hyping this place out for a long time. I would say that I mean for even like talking to you and and having it be like hyped up I think it exceeded my expectations. I told you this place a pretty cool. Yes special place for for baseball and especially this time of the year when our teams in Mitten and you know the cows really shown up and getting into it every night yeah I mean like this is I mean when I was looking out here because you you I was asking you your strategy and BP like one of those guys that like sprays the ball. Mike works on different type of stuff but you're trying to hit homers the right kind of home. There's a right way to do it the right way. You just want to try and backspin like you. Don't WanNa Hook Topspin stuff. I got that from each euro. Show always like he showed hit poolside homers Mars I every swing in batting practice and I always ask them. Why did it and I he told me because I like it and then he came up to be like in you know a couple of minutes later? It was like now if I hit the right way and it's back-spun that's what he thought his best swing was and it makes a lot of sense if you you pull all the right way and it's backfiring hooking staying true then I think that's a pretty clean sling just something I feel comfortable with. It's not suffer everybody by any means but it's what I do remember when everyone was like if h Rwanda hit more home runs he. Could you believe yeah. Why wouldn't you then? I don't get that. I don't know you'd have to ask him. I mean I think just from playing with them. I think he was just he really liked to getting his getting on base and his spots for sure he would try and now clip somebody but you know if the home run Derby and stuff. I think he would have dominated that if he ever did it. I know a lot of people have said that but I would see it. I saw it every day. Is it really was every swing he he hit a homer. If you really wanted to see you're supposed to do the Homerun Derby this year where you would have had vladi right in the first round yeah. How do you think that would it went? I think it would have been pretty close. I really do I mean I know he hit twenty nine. You put on a show and all that but I really do think I would have given him a run for his money anybody that was that was fun to watch. CNN person I definitely wouldn't have been hitting them as far as he was. Those are some absolute bombs he was hitting but I really think it would have been close. Next year is dodger stadium yeah. Are you GONNA do next year. I if it all works out I I'd like to yeah they'll have me and if I'm healthy enough to do it and then a spotlight why not I'm I'm not one of those guys who's shies away from your doesn't want to do it so if I capable of doing it body everything cooperates than to be pretty cool to do a homerun Derby the stadium that I grew up going to baseball games that is true that in a kind of all work out. We'll see those kind of meant to be that way because I do this year. I've probably wouldn't have done it next year right. Just what if you one would you defended your crown. That probably be like one of the only ways I would have really done because the dodgers stadium is Kinda just as friendly to let teases the righties I I mean. I think everyone's GonNa WanNa do that one. La Dodger Stadium Yeah it's GonNa be like a you know Hollywood red carpet event and those lexus SOC- behind the plate. How awkward was that Red Carpet for the All Star game it wasn't it wasn't that bad really mine was pretty structured? Though I had places I had to be yeah like talk to Harold Grey all known those guys for a while so mine was easy it was to say hey we're doing this interview and then sell them and they keep you rolling pretty good. Just things you gotta get to. It just looked like a bunch of guys got rolled out on the red carpet and they're like. I don't know where the fuck to go like. I Dunno where I'm supposed to be going right now. who is like one dude like oh you got to talk to at the All Star game that you never got to like pick their brain trying to think. Is You just know all those guys from playing against them or you if you haven't actually had a chance to really sit down and talk to him you still talk to them right trying to think I mean I guess like we got not not a little bit just because he was. He's a rookie yeah. This is the first time he just seem like a kid. He's a great guy. This loves hitting homers yeah and how can you not love that I mean this guy. This loves hitting homers. He loved the show Homerun Derby really cool to get to know he's all he's about the right things and great for the game. the Roxanne Walk Up to me how that happened. was that something that like how did that. Process Begin begin right for those who don't know what she is because you did the the body MAG body. Yes you did the body issue and then she was saying how like you know it was like a bad luck or something yeah well. I mean I knew Roxanne so before I did the thing I knew people weren't going to like it. Like why. Are you do something. It's just how it works you're going to there's going to be people who like if people who don't like it but when I did it I didn't really care like I know because I wanted to get Kim Kardashian thing where you're just like putting on instagram like your own nudes like you took in the bathroom like the body issue is something that comes out every single year right and the peop. Everyone only does it. They you face the same prison every year yeah how it is especially being in pro sports that people are just always going to have a problem with no matter what they're going to find something about you. They don't like them. I don't care is a few like me great if you don't I wanted to do that because of the thought it was a really cool opportunity something. I never thought I would get it to do something I've never done before and I'm going to do this and how did they. How did that come together though like did you say that you want to do it or they came to you and asks you if you're interested or yeah I mean it's it? It took a while for it to actually materialized into all right. You can do this if you want to. Actually I said I took a few days to think about. It wasn't like hey you can do this. If you want okay cool yeah it took a while and then I finally did it and to be honest. I had a ton of fun. It was awesome I. I don't know if I could do something like that. That's what I was. I was always in that same boat because I play with Stan when he did it like there's no way I'd ever be able to do this for a few years and here I am going on slipping slide button making how room when you're taking those pictures twenty twenty-five probably just like Dick out the whole time the four hours four hours and never I dunno whatever I I'm just not like I. I don't think I would ever be in a position where I'd be like. I'd say I'm in pretty tough shape right now but I would say around like twenty four hours in prime shape even. I don't think so. That's the thing too is I as the middle this season I I didn't really ask to prepare for it or did you said you didn't work out during the season right fucking I do certain things but not like if I knew I was going to be doing that and I had the offseason to do it then I would have been able to you know prepare a little bit better but yeah during the season. It's all about winning and you don't want to do something that's going to hits you heard out there right just for her naked magazine so yeah so she ended up having a problem with it. I guess along now back to the original storyline the I s she didn't like the fact that toes naked for whatever reason and I understand it I it's not like I don't understand what is there to. I mean like I. I don't understand it. Yeah your dollars. it is what it is if I if like I said if it was like a leaked picture or you're doing it like it's more than just posing make. There's like a better message behind the whole thing yeah and I realized that when I was actually doing the shoot it's just like athletes. It's like you're not everybody is six six and Jack Right. I mean it's just not how athletes aren't you flip through that magazine and you can see there's all different heights shapes sizes right. It's just about embracing yourself as as an athlete in which you are in and that message is translated to the general public as far as just be comfortable with who you are and what you what you do and yeah. That's kind of an odd so that's and I didn't really think what I said it was going to go viral getting on me and I really just said hey like relax yeah. It's going to be fine. I mean now everything it goes. Viral like I feel like you're like selective about what you tweet and when you tweet now so when you do speak up I feel like most of your tweets do big numbers now yeah. I don't really sweet much so yes when I do tweet like I don't know before I tweet. It's always like everybody really needs to be like going to breakfast. Yeah had a great night. I don't ever drink win for the cruise. Never I don't ever do that so yeah I'm not. I'm not really post a ton of things on social media so you Utah worked out sent out the tweet relax to Roxanne and then you walk out to that song the next night was was that you going to the DJ or the DJ just took that now. I told them to do that but yeah forgot who brought. It was like I I can't solely say with my yeah I kinda thought of it but then ran by a few guys and just do it. They wanted me to do with the whole game but I was acknowledged at one time. Yeah that's a wrap and you know we got a good laugh at it. Everybody seemed to enjoy it and one of those fun things throughout the year. It's such a long season. Hey Hey let's have fun and you're in a playoff race relaxed a little bit and they're having an MVP season was now you are well. Did you know that you like sat out for like ten Sundays and then took the lead in the batting title not really I haven't been on it yeah yeah you you like moved into first first place for the batting title like while you were sitting yeah you can't really in this hour with it is what it is. You can't help your case hurt your case yeah. you know so it's new to your face. It's your hands yeah. You're just kinda chilling and I think the other thing about you too 'cause like I I knew when you were with the Marlins is that you're just the same dude and I said it's the Mousse I was like. I don't think he he knows he's good but I don't think he knows how good is. Why is that like what is it about you? The I mean you could go out winning. MVP follow it up with another season. That's definitely worthy of a back to back. MVP and you're just like same laid back guy. You've always the matter. Is that the Kellyanne you probably a Scott how always been no one likes anyone area enter Cocky Yeah I. That's just not not you though not outwardly I have definitely believe in myself and my abilities and I sure do I'll pop off some Moose or somebody okay. I'll say things to him that I would never say like on camera year. let anybody know but it's it's in there but it's because baseball such a humbling game man. It doesn't matter how good you are what kind of years you have. It's GonNa Knock you on your ass at some point. During season I just GonNa you're gonNA suck for a awhile. it'll find a way to humble. You and that's why it's different than other sports. You know you can't be as boisterous or cock years doubt going because you're just gonNA struggle yeah. I'm always on like I don't ever let myself relax or let myself think that I've got it figured out or I'm GonNa just keep doing this because I'm going to keep doing this that you have to have that drive and that edge and you can't let yourself become complacent and that's just how always looked at it and at the end of the year like I look up been like all right. This is what I did but while I'm going through it I don't ever think about all this is like I'm doing it right now. I don't even look at it like I couldn't tell you what my I don't during the season most time I won't be able to tell you any of my stats. You know I might be able to you homers or something. It was rattling off. Some of your stats the other day and you're in you didn't even know what half of a meant right. I don't know uh-huh now that it's all said and done like mine mine are going to be what they are now. I'm yeah you're GONNA play again but during it like I guess the day I got hurt. If you ask me like what my my Sasser I wouldn't I wouldn't have been I'll tell you what I was hitting or anything like that. How difficult is that like when you're walking up to the plate in your stats are right in front of you on the big board? Look at that ever I'll go out of my way to not look at the scoreboard and that's why like here because they don't show like your batting average or anything here. It's all your yeah yeah yeah which is probably better anyway you look at. UPS and that doesn't that you can see rope. Es doesn't tell you anything else right now what you're on base percentages you only what you're slugging combined there but you don't know what the exact numbers are right. I hate it. When I see like Fox gently see what I'm hitting or something like I get pissed? I don't WanNa see it. I mean it usually looks pretty good so I don't know you don't want to see it because it just takes your focus and concentration away from what it needs to be on yeah even subconsciously you. Just don't WanNa know whatever reason that's just how I've always been Mississippi tractor because he just doesn't okay cool. I'm hitting putting thirty June. Whatever that doesn't mean you're going to be hitting three thirty? It's at the end of September right. your guy that cares a lot though because we were talking to Murph yesterday and he's like there's some guys that it helps them to just not give shit and I brought up manny as an example. I was like manny just he's just floating along and he was one of the best hitters of all time you care a why. Do you think that that helps you more or sometimes hurts you more depending on the time like the I talked to him about the coal at Bat I was like I've never seen yellowy overmatched before and then I saw him go up against Garrett Cole and it was just ninety seven ninety eight ninety nine up in on you out of the Strike Zone overmatched act like do you take that into the next batter. Can you just can you just wash that and come up the next time you like now. I'm going to get him there and say overmach ever it was maybe chased or expanded ended it was I mean he's Colville three hundred strikeouts incredible stuff yeah for sure yeah. No I get. I get pissed all the time. There's a there's a side of me that really nobody really knows about yeah. Competitive Sidon see this easy going like happy go lucky right right this mellow dude yeah and then when the game turns on like and that starts a whole different yeah. There's a whole different side of their you can even ask like missile. Tell you about it too. I it's not the same then yeah. I don't know I'm confident I what I can do on the baseball field and like I know my ability so if I'm doing things that hinder that I get mad at myself when I'm don't do what I'm supposed to I do like I'll do something stupid watching to do that. That's why I don't get mad. If I strike out there that's going to happen but when I do some stupid and I know it's stupid stupid and I'm not mad at myself. I asked Moose what's your favorite yellowy story and he was like he came out of the cage one day and he was like I'm getting no hits. Today was horrible in the cage and now that you hit for the cycle that was rose really bad. They thought the exact same thing everybody everybody that was in there was like yeah you're right. It wasn't like Oh you're doing good. How often what does that actually translate though if you have like you know like a bad day in the cage you had like a bad day like Durham? BP How often that actually translate to the game because I know that like some pitchers it'd be like I normally have shitty bullpens and then like those are when I have my best starts it's hit or Miss I get some at the end of the day doesn't really mean anything gray great batting practice or your take mangled one right. It doesn't really matter and like no matter what you if I have a terrible batting practice. I will think that I found it but before the game starts. Let's head all right. Yeah I got this again. I found it could be completely wrong. There's some games up there. You're an absolute zoo. Yes acid disaster right now and it might look exactly the same to someone who's watching the game and I'm just I guess it's not like hopefully I walk yeah hopefully they don't know I feel terrible. got a couple of blocks or something we gotta talk about the injury yeah first of all. ESPN be be better be better ESPN. What was that? I was absolute trash. There's no pity party. No I mean I felt terrible that my C- over I don't get help these guys in a playoff push and so many people work so hard not just like I saw that I the whole team works hard to be in a position. We are right now and to their credit right done amazing. These guys have played out of their minds and thirteen really stepped up and yeah I've been on an incredible run and this is a credit to the talent of the guys that we have in the room. I'm like hey like we're gonNA be fine and the next man up type deal but yeah I mean I mean who wouldn't be bombed that you know that that's how you end your season right. There's something you've done a lot of times and the night it happened. I was pretty pissed off and upset and then once I found found out what my what the deal was what the exact diagnosis and we'll be going on it was all about just getting better and trying to be around these guys and support them any way you can hope that make a playoff push for them to go with that headline news it that was I get it like it's just how we are how how athletes are are treated. You say a phrase or something that is going to get people's attention and get clicks and that's usually what happens to you but I I just didn't like it because like out of everything it was. It was probably a fifteen minute neil media session and all the things that are so that's the one I picked but hey it's not going to be the last time it happens. It's just like I just don't want it. I just didn't want people to think our just self centered and Folk Sam because it wasn't it just wasn't like that and I felt like that's how it was being portrayed. Our is like the headline is pity party and first time ever injured like all right. That's not exactly how this went down yeah one. The most bad ass things though is that you somehow walked off the field after that went down so tell me 'cause I've heard the story but I think it's absolutely Cillian saying so you know you follow the ball off your knee and then what happens physically to you like obviously there's there's the fracture in the knee but like physically like what happened. What were you feeling yeah well? It took my breath. I couldn't breathe. I was taking depressed. I it's hard to catch my breath after I get hurt so bad and then my face arms and hands and everything went numb and start tingling like you took like a pre workout and then some it was it was I hadn't nfl anything like that. That's that's Kinda went. It scared me a little bit like something might actually be wrong 'cause he's foul balls off yourself all the time and they hurt and I found balls off my knees stuff before and I it hurts for sure but this was just like this was a different level of like pain yeah. I don't ever like to just sit there on a baseball field. Just not get up I get up and and I was like I need a second. I need to get up but I can't I just I need to I need to chill here for for a little while and now once I got up and start standing on it hurt. I felt like I couldn't really the only reason I came out of the game is because like I felt like I couldn't. I wasn't real stable on it if I if I the GO-TO swing right here. I don't know if I'm just GONNA follow down box as I just need to. I'd just need a second and you know I don't really ever come out of the game for just a foul. Oh ball do this. This is hurting and I got up got on it. I was like all right. I can stand cool and then I just walked and walk down the steps and then I need help to get up but yeah. I don't know why I was able to do that. I don't know if it was just like the shocker just being so pissed pissed off the fact that he's had a foul off yourself and your come out of the game but I didn't think it was going to be broken I didn't I just thought it was really bad foul ball that hurt pretty bad and I don't recommend it. I wouldn't suggest that you do that. because it's definitely doesn't feel good but I was a little surprised one. the x rays came back and you said it was a fracture but I was gonNA say like walking down the steps. You're not thinking like shit my season's over like most likely I mean and especially once we did tests and stuff. I was like all right. Oh I think I'm going to be good like once. The initial pain of the foul ball were off. I was like all right him. I'm doing better. I guess it hasn't really like you want it to be before. The X ray results came came back. You're talking about being in the lineup the next day seeing if I could you know I was like maybe not but I definitely didn't think I definitely when I was actually going to the X. Ray Room Room. I didn't think it was going to be broken deaf. It hurt for sure but thousands cool. I didn't know if breaking a bone fell aches I hadn't done. I haven't done it before but yeah this now that I think back on it it was definitely it's definitely different and it was weird and out of the norm for What a foul ball off your leg usually feels alright sucks but yeah it is happens and it does have I mean? I think you've got a pretty pretty good attitude about it like I think yeah you can't do anything about it now. It's out of your control like Shit happens. I mean it sucks that it you know it would have have happened in September right before a run but it's like you have essentially a full season in the books which could be like a back to back. MVP type season. I we've shot up. This is statistically we've already discussed this. What is what's the right now? It is September Timber Twenty second and I said if the season ended today that you would be the National League. MVP once again we'll see how that plays out but the numbers I would say that you would be the MVP again. What what are you? What memories would you look back on for? This campaign like you know we're coming into this year because I know that you know I think one was twenty twenty seventeen. You might have cam in or no. It was the beginning of eighteen when you have the oblique yeah right yeah. You're on the you're on the isle at the Oblique and you know you're talking about like getting acclimated to Milwaukee and and you know like when if you're if you're on like like a little bit of a cold streak and people boone you it's like dude like we're trying to get hits out here like that Christian Yelich at the beginning of twenty eighteen. He didn't know what was coming in twenty eighteen after one. MVP season going into nineteen did you did you have any doubts that you could duplicate okay what you did the year before it. was there anything like Oh shit like. I hope that's not like a like a you know a spike year. I hope like you know or is it like I found something. There were some changes tonight. I believe that they were real and I felt like I was going to be able to repeat them. I felt confident for sure. I didn't think this was just like a little bit of a hot streak in wrote it out for an extended period time I really believe that the things that I you know they weren't major adjustments by any means the adjustments that I made I felt confident asking to be able to keep them and honestly it was a big motivating factor coming into the season as far as can you do it again yeah. You just got lucky. You'RE GONNA go back to being the guy that you were when he played in Miami. oh the ballpark you play that goes back to the side that I was talking to you about it but I'll never let anybody know right. I know those things it's me off for that. I use it to drive me but it does and it did and and it was just one of those things where I felt coffin that I could do it over a full season. So many things have to go things kind of go well for you to do that. You gotta stay to stay healthy. you know it. Just things have to go right and you you know to be able to back it up and do that. It was just it was a good feeling and you wanted to help your team and you wanted to show people that just a a fluke thing yeah it was just it was a big motivating factor going into the year. Do you feel validated and and that now like looking back on your twenty nine teen being like twenty eighteen wasn't a fluke like what I just didn't twenty nine yeah. I guess you know really the the end of the day like take care about only a few things that my family thinks I care about what my teenage thing. That's that's you know I. I can't say that you know people say doesn't really if people say you're great doesn't really mean thing. They say you suck it doesn't really mean when you have to do it on the field just because people talk about it at the end of the day if you really think about it doesn't mean anything not only personal goals but for team goals and is what we talked about spring training just just because people say we're going to be good. We're going to get back to the playoffs doesn't mean we are or if they say we suck and we're not going to be able to repeat what we did. Last year doesn't mean we can't it. Just you have to go play the Games. You have to do it so it goes for individuals and teams all the hype scrape all the scrape we comes along with the territory playing professional baseball the end of the day. You actually have to go out there. We're talking earlier about the attendance in Milwaukee this year. They're going to hit two point nine like just come up. Shy Three Million Ryan three millions usually the mark that that most teams really shoot for in terms of ticket sales. How cool is it to know that like you're one of the biggest the reasons why they're they're going to close three million while has to do with the team to the bruiser winning but I mean people pay? There's there's there's certain guys in the League that you pay money to see and like you're one of them. Like how does that feel That's it's cool. I never really would look at it like that or ever like step back and think about that. I think you're so consumed in the just the daily grinder I'm aware of I'm aware of everything that goes on. I'm I am not like oblivious. I go so naive that fact I get it for sure I didn't really take a step back. I realized how cool this ah I always really appreciate it at Milwaukee and all that and I didn't know how awesome the fan base where there was until I got hurt yeah and saw the support and maybe it makes me feel good and yeah. It's an unbelievable place to play. I love it here. The fans are amazing and that is because there are certain athletes were it's like no I love the fans and I love the city and it's all like lip service like you genuinely love Milwaukee like you've been talking placed up to me for like a year now yeah and I came out here and like I said it's exceeded the height because it was just different. I don't know how to really describe it but the thing that you're talking about with the packers I love sports. I Love Sports. Here's a great sports city. and I've always appreciated that yeah but it's so hard when you're in the middle of the grind and you're in the middle of the game you don't ever have a chance to step back and observe it right since I've been hurt and I just watch the Games now and don't really have any impact on them. I get a setback back in really appreciate how great the fan base is and not much care and I got to see that from the support from what I heard just I really appreciate all the well wishes and all the love that they showed so you obviously didn't go back to California or You're sticking around with the team. You're getting treatments still here walkie. You're not traveling with the team. But how was that your choice like how important was it for you to to want to stay around the guys you know as they sort of it was never an option to to leave They never even gave me that choice but I wouldn't have done it anyway yeah it's like I'm GonNa get get a pretty good base should get this thing pretty squared away by the time we wrap up and it all just be about getting my strength back. As far as you know you know it's yeah I'll be fine by hopefully halloween ish yeah you know the only reason I'm not playing ran out of time basically but yeah as it'll be pretty pretty much good to go by by that and that's our whole goal was just to try and knock out as much as late as a base and get it squared anyway as much as we could before our season wraps up whenever that is that's why I wanted to stick around and obviously be around the guy and see this thing through and just be there with them. It's such a great clubhouse that we have that I would never wanna just isolate myself or just not be a part of it injury anything you want to say the Kassy's mom. I'm going to send you home of the gifts okay home with a gift. I can't wait a little something so so. Usually I mean like we have a guest on its. We asked like you know if you could go back in time to win this anymore. In baseball history what would be I. We've never had someone on five time so I don't know what the question is for five times. I'm just going to have to like make something up yeah. We've already down that I mean we like. I don't even have to do you. Just you know I I all right. You know what if you're on five times the question that we're going to ask to all of our five-time guests is What is your go-to Karaoke Song? Oh ooh. I don't even know the last time I've done Karaoke probably when I was I wanted to put on a show like put on a show What did I sing for trying to remember the last time I did Karaoke you rookie in do singers song but I don't even remember what I sang on? They're definitely like I know I definitely got booed off off the Mike for sure so karaoke is not my strong suit but the thing that I've learned with this is you've got to pick a the song that everybody's GonNa sing along right as they can carry you. That's the key so it doesn't really matter what you like. Oh it's one then yeah sure we you can go with that one. You can go with friends in low places everyone that one out of balance not really original but that's the keys you gotta find some of that. Everybody knows everybody. Everybody wants to sing along with and then it gets you off the hook. Because you know ended up singing anyway everybody else has and you kind of just become a hype man here hyping up the crowd all the guys that do that it has rookies. They end up killing yeah that tries to you know you better be able to really sing which there's not too many baseball players that can really sing so yeah. I go something like that. I think my sign off when I had you on in September of two thousand eighteen was thank you to the soon to be nationally again be so I'm going to take you Christian Yelich the all soon to be back to back National League. Mvp We'll see big thanks to Christian Yelich the five timer the twenty eighteen mvp the soon to be twenty nineteen MVP. That's a guy that at the end of the day. I don't think that there's a bad thing anybody can. I'd say about not a teammate not opponent not a media member. Not even an ex girlfriend could say something bad about Christian y'all. She's just a good fucking dude. That's it's really good at baseball so we appreciate him taking the time I mean that's what I said to him. I was like I appreciate you making the time. I got nothing else to do. I I actually I was heading somewhere. That got canceled on me too. I'm really Kinda immobile. I really kind of rely on other people to get me around right now. You quartered me so yeah. Fuck it. I got nothing to deal yeah. I was basically so long story short this is this how cool yellow is we all know the backstory we applied for credentials to go to Milwaukee and they denied us and then and the tweeting about it we have a conversation with PR and now we're going but it's super last minute. I think that was on like a I think that that happened on a Wednesday and we flew out on Thursday so the flights are more expensive because it's so last minute so because it's last minute I call Dave Portnoy and I'm like Hey Dave you know. the brewers want us to come narrow wants to come this weekend. it's either that or we'd have to go to Cincinnati but the reds don't like us so like is it possible and he's like how much of the flights tell them. How most flights are these? Who are you going to be able to get and I was like criminal all right fine you can go so like I didn't ask Christian Yelich to do anything like I think I I probab I? I asked a couple of guys like asked him stockists at the All Star game. I was like yeah I'm GonNa come out some point we can do something he was down Bob Euchre kind of fell into into my lap not literally but so so on Friday get their Christians there. He's walking out on the crutches Chesney. Everything and I was like hey can I talked to you in the tunnel for a second like yeah. We crutches US over there. He thinks like I'm about to tell him that like. I'm about to die or something like so listen this trip got cancelled and now it's back on so the the flights are a lowell expensive and I promise Dave that I get an interview with you to justify the cost of the trip and he was like oh no problem talk like literally just ten minutes of your time is currency like it pays for this trip so I mean he didn't give ten million gave us a half an hour which which I mean we could've gone longer but like even me can I get ten minutes and then not now tripling that like I already felt bad enough as it is but when you start talking to the guy the conversation nation just flows in and he's always good so thank you Christian Yelich for essentially paying for my trip to Milwaukee with your vocal chords well. That's that's what an and and like all joking aside. That's like an and I think you saw this with with cleven Baylor right you guys in a scenario Correo and you start to talk about things that they're passionate about or you just make them comfortable right and they know that you're not here for or any malice. You're here to have a good time and I think yellow obviously knows and I think the word is getting out. Look like sure we'd love to be your friend love to hang out whatever but we're really here to make sure everybody knows how cool of dude you are good at the game of baseball you are and if there's an opportunity maturity to kind of put that on display and give fans a consistent taste of that of who you are that only bodes well for you as a player and I think guys are guys are really starting to get that and it's tough in the game of baseball because for every Christian Yelich you have you have another superstar who doesn't even want you to know that he might have spent like eighty thousand dollars on a vehicle right right like he he lives the most modest life so it's it's always hit or miss with those guys but as we continue to grow the podcast and has guys continue continue to make themselves available. I think they're starting to see the fruit of the accessibility and Jelly one of those dudes. I mean we honestly could be talking to ten people or or to a million people and yelling would take the time hundred percent. He's great great guy. I mean there could but it ended would've for those that don't know like the backstory's go. Why are you Bruce Fan? Why do you root for the brewers? It was Travis Shaw was in Boston. He goes the brewers yelling and I I mean Christian Yelich which has been for a long time. It's not just like Oh Christian Yelich won the MVP and now he's doing these media tours because he's a big name now i`Eli and I we started talking back in like fifteen or sixteen back on. I mean no one I mean people that pay attention to baseball. Obviously who Christian Yelich was but I mean this. This guy probably had I mean like my mom probably has more twitter followers now then what Christian Yelich had when we started falling each other yeah so this is a guy that comes from humble beginnings and it's it's really cool to see how successful he's become an in the type of player that he's become in Milwaukee because I mean you know for as good as he was in Miami I don't know that very many people had him as being like a potentially a back to back MVP in this league and since we're since we're kind of opening up the opening up the honesty chest here. I'll also this started popping off in Miami like you'll get the fuck out of here. I was like okay you're not you're not standing right right right. You're you're not stanton like I get it because remember again. Pat Myself on the back I I. I knew all this coming but I was like really Yelich getting in on this okay all right. Maybe this is a little insight to who this dude is and it was because he's just because he's got a nice smile and can be soft spoken at times doesn't mean he's not looking at things going. You know what I'm fucking way better than this funk right Outta town and put me in a situation so I can glow hello there. There's a part in that interview. If you go back where I was talking about at that that he had against Garrett Cole and I said I've never seen you really get overmatched before and I'm talking about an at bat where Garrett Cole just peppers fastball fastball fastball. They're all up in and he punches out and he didn't like that. I said that he got overmatched. I mean even even even in a situation where I mean you could watch that a bat back at Verdy but it's like hey you no he's. He's got him a few times because if you look at Christian Yelich numbers historically Garrett Cole. He's got like four homers often like he's. He's got his number number so I mean if I if there's a guy that I've torched in my career and then someone wants to point out the one at bat where maybe got the best thing. I'm like fuck. You do look at all the other times times I took him to the mood like that's quite attitude about that. It's like he's not GonNa Brag to you but you will for sure like stand his ground. It'd be like no no no no like I is it. There's a difference between being a Dick and asserting the situation and that's what he did whole lawn. No no no no that that may have not worked out for me then but can you go check the history on some of those other. ABC's and see how those unfolded 'cause go fuck yourself corrobos. I did not get overmatched and and and that's the kind of mentality Talapity you want your star. You want any player frankly taken out there to the field. It's it's it's. It's just so cool that he's is one of our guys also cool safe sex dallas. You should try it sometime. 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It's only gonNA work so I go to work. Doc need that opportunity. Some of US capitalize on Tuesday. We were doing a show-me some love of segment where we hit on every single one of your teams and it's we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA get a little. I'm sure there'll be some tasty nuggets in there. Because you have the whole season of work with Jay kitchen the smoke alarm almighty gasol be what you want you wearing nothing but an apron and a smile yeah it's GonNa be. There's GonNa be some Sausage Cook and let's just say that J. You had you had a couple of guys you WANNA show some love to today before for the show-me some love extravaganza and so two themes here sonny gray huge bounceback season he cut his era by more than two runs four nine zero two two eight seven we all know his streak of consecutive games allowing six or fewer hits all that good stuff love and Jayco Torrisi three point five one era. That's nearly a run lower than it was last year. it would be the best Mark Eric He's put up since two thousand fifteen with the raise three three seven V to boot the reason why and a career best out rate the reason why I bring these two up is because because like all season we've been paying attention to the two other pitchers in their rotation who are a little bit sexier in the way they get things done Jose Barea for the twins and rightfully so these other guys have had good seasons Jose barea the twins and Luis Castillo of the reds well barring some late change change. It's actually going to be sunny gray and Jayco to Rizzi who lead their teams in wins above replacement for pitchers. They're going to beat out those other guys is custodio talked about as an early season cy young candidate all that kind of stuff he's going to finish is thirteenth in the NFL in wins above replacement right now sonny gray is ninth with Sonny Gray is putting up a top ten and L. Pitcher season right now after essentially being giveaway fodder in the off season and for the Yankees previous offseason in the Al.. It's the same sort of deal with Jako already he is he ranks seventh in the A. L. J. Coder izzy rank seventh in the AL and wins above replacement and Jose burritos is is admittedly eighth but nevertheless still kind of a cool thing to guys who. I don't think many people were expecting a whole lot of stuff out of to kind of their best seasons arguably of their careers Yup. I wonder which one of us saw that Lewis Custodio slide out of the CY young contention. I don't remember you saying that one time. I honestly think that Dallas just like drops. These sometimes that we know it Yeah Oh hold on are you are are are both of you right now trying to tell me that jared started standing Louise Custodio and I said Nope he will not be in the CY young conversation at the end of the year. You're telling me that didn't happen. Is that what so you're telling me bullet I do. I can guarantee it and number. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA need you to go ahead and pull ladder pulled up. I'm just not remembering it because he's being cy young winner dislike with such a like a basic bitch. Take for me like I. I didn't even write it down as one of those things that we'd revisit nope Yup hey well so I guess this is me holding you guys account. I'M GONNA have to get the intern on through the tapes and listening to all those podcasts to try and find that seven second snippet from late June were Dow's mentioned Louis Kostya yeah no no when Dallas told the two who were trying to jump on trying to build a custodial win bag and hey you might want to shut that down baggage game or a better way bagging. It's very different than a bandwagon aware tag into something that has zero integrity to it. Which is why it didn't work? You guys trying to put together. A fucking went back and not GonNa not gonNA happen. BACK AIN'T GONNA make it to fucking feet down on the road. You think you know when bag in it's just wheels fall off. It's tough really dollars. Casio is going to be there at the end of the year Eh but Dallas would you also like to take another victory lap on Old Pedro Alonzo. I sure would sure who how no nobody wants that you want to hear that this is just shit. I gotTa have to edit out later this. No actually I'm GonNa need some answers when are we. When are we going to get to those book reports guys well? The season asked to end the season as to end because who knows what bellinger could do over these next couple games not the Mike Foul magically heal and come back I I do. I know I know neither one of those user hitting fifth. We didn't do our normal recording time today which means that we're coming up around like noon Eastern. That's usually the first black buffalo of the day. Usually I wake up. Actually that's not even true. I'll probably do like wake up nine. 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It's a little different because you have have the reinforcements there to cushion the blow in the area that you would be most affected which is bullpen which is arms pitching. Obviously you have had to cover fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen innings. That's a shitload of outs to go out and get and you're going to need some arms to do that so so it definitely affects it. One thing that happens during the regular season that I I've talked about that. People really don't give much thought to is extra inning games can change the course of an individual's entire career so a guy who might just have options left that can be sent down. He might be a casualty of an extra inning game. He might go down to triple A. Things might not work out well for him down there he might start to scuffle and now over the next two months because he got sit down the night of that extended game because he pitched four innings and they're not gonna be able to use them for a while. He finds himself back in triple eight. Just purely based on the numbers shaking out the way they did and some bad things happen and he might never find his way back to the big leagues and that's how a big of an impact an extra inning game can have so while the fans at home are bitching about staying up late and didn't get to watch their favorite team finish a ball game or finish off a big nick. W There's other folks that are going while about life was fun. What do I do now chapter two as a pitcher? What would you want to have a better strike out swinging or looking swinging fastball as sexual experience? I mean I I mean I. I think it's a different feeling it's kind of like A. BJ versus vaginal penetration like if I if I if I punch someone I'm on out on a heater. That's like but if I if I if I strike you are looking on a hook. It's like you know what I mean. We yeah there's a big difference between the Oh and those are two very different releases. Yes very very different way. Hey I'm all about the psychology of it so I like to know that you had absolutely no shot from the minute that ball of my hand meeting you could have been lying to yourself telling yourself that you're getting a fastball and here comes that nasty changeup and you missed it by four feet. That's cool. That's great but to actually freeze you to paralyze you to render you. Ineffective you bring a bad up there for a reason because the motherfucker done swing itself going to need did you to get involved and when you can't you're looking out there at the man on the mound going yeah bro you're filthy and that man is me favorite Ben and Jerry's flavor one love next question. Is there even other flavors. It's what what love it's one love or you'll have bait or you go half-baked fro Yo which is nice into a lighter dessert treat later option dude from Benjamin Gerald but Been Jerry One love Bob Marley special edition released one week before April twentieth is without a doubt the premier goto flavor for benefits for those who are not intimately familiar with Ben and Jerry's flavours one love is banana ice cream with caramel. L. And Graham crackers soils and fudge peace signs pretty good not the not the best but pretty good better what I'm going to jared. Do you have a better answer. Sir I have never had been Jerry's before what is going on a killing editor at something man you should get yourself a pint tonight and just sit back and relax maybe throw on an episode of Law and order. Svu instead of the Red Sox game and just Kinda go to town on that pint of Ben and Jerry's I got to play I got two options for you Haute of this world but brown sugar ice cream with fudge flakes and oatmeal cinnamon cookie swirls who oh boy really and that sounds like ice cream that needs to be heated up that's gross now so good and the other option urban bourbon burnt caramel ice cream with almonds fudge flakes and Bourbon Caramel swirls Um so so what we take away from this j a massive Fudge Flake Guy I love texture in my scream and I love variety of flavor. That's key. I'm very I'm like something you might not know about me. I'm very deep in the ice cream game. Yeah you know I worked there. As a youngster. I worked in a creamery toiling away. It's it's been a passion of mine. I've Sanford lots of ice creams. Give to walk into to watch walking to a diner and C. J. Dressed up like a fifties or sixties. Multiple boy outfit got the nice little paper white hat on tilted ever so slightly off the side of his brow. How ask ask if people that good old that nineteen fifties drive in experience Jay and he responds with swell? Yeah it's like it's like the old school version of the CHICK-FIL-A employees. Why does whoever run this account hate the nationals? Eh Ozzy runs the account he does as far as I know. He doesn't care about the nationals any more or less than any of the other teams. I don't really understand what that question's coming from but I did see it and I had to pull it. I think we've we've addressed national sufficiently your you need to get out of your own head person. I don't know there's no hate. There's there's nothing there. I feel like there's no hate for any teams like there's no teams. They were like. Oh fuck that team yeah the the amount of hate like as far as the account goes. The amount of hate is just directly related to the number of highlights that your team produces uses like does your team exciting. Things probably going to make the account. I guess that's probably editorial process their thoughts. This is something we did not touch on. So if you guys have any thoughts here's the time thoughts on the Andy Green firing and if you have any options as to who should take his place yeah it felt to me like this was this was a decision where we have young exciting players were looking to take the next step and we're trying to cut ties with a generation of losing padres baseball to you take us into the next era of winning padres baseball and it might just be because the interview that did drew Pomeranz I which was on section ten so there's a red sox spin on it. I said what were the big differences between John Farrell role and Alex Cora as your manager and he said he spoke about a sees ability to communicate with his players and and he said it was unlike anything that ever experienced in any of the teams that I played for so that would also be green so I don't it's. It's you know it's another Eric we talked to Pat Murphy About About You know comparing coaching college you know. ASC Asu and then comparing that to big leaguers is in you. GotTa talk to them differently now. It's like the the things that I used to be able to do I can't do anymore and if you can sort of look at your manager and be like well it I used to work. There's a reason why your big league manager. It just doesn't work right now. It's just not GonNa work with this group. Then you have to make a decision and and the padres made that decision the end I don't I don't know if it was totally similar to the Rickman to reassess scenario Chicago more of an extended holdover if you will but I think that's what this was the whole time was. Let's get our feet underneath us. I mean because there was a point in time where they tried to make moves. They tried to make splashes but I think for the most part it was about seeing this organization through the acquisition of some talent and the development development of some players until all of those intersected and the San Diego padres were then ready to start trying to make some noise and maybe that's where they feel the rat right now is they're on the precipice of being able to make some noise. I mean this is to me that we've seen this thousands of times Andy Green was this guy before the guy I mean he. He was the guy that too because the job was less attractive when he took it then the job is right now so they can get at somebody better they think presumably even though it's not as historic as his two thousand eighteen cy young season. Is it fair to say that the mets wasting two grams two two thousand nineteen season is way worse when coupled with Alonzo's incredible rookie campaign. What do people want him to do? Who No it's not? I'm not taking that question is anything to do with two grams fault but like like it's a commentary on the mets absolutely but at what point in time or you just like fuck man like the other players have to play to other guys have to do other shit too before you are just continually wasting guy's performance. That's what happens really good players find themselves on teams that aren't a position to compete at times they have really good seasons and that can happen a couple of years in a row and so so unless you're starting to starting to get interaction and starting to get offers on earth moving players and earthmoving acquisitions good players having good seasons on teams that aren't good or aren't competing is a real real thing and like I feel like this question comes up a ton and when it's regarding the mets would answer are you you really looking for what are you. Do you think you're going to get a sane answer. Why don't they get trained? Why well why didn't they? Are you looking for an answer. They're not going to get one because they thought they believed because they believed. That's why that's why they're wasting grams outings because they believe does that answer. Suffice does that make you feel better is what it is. Your does suck though to the point of the question like you get Alonzo Zone Jack in fifty plus bombs degrom having a Samsung season again and you don't even make the playoffs and and it's not even like it's not it's not even like those are the only two contributors I mean Conforto got thirty plus bombs. Johnny Davis had a breakout year this year Jeff McNeil was hitting three forty at one point. That's a good team and like like row most was hitting like three forty in the second half He. He's been a monster offensively. that's a good team and I'm just not sure where the mets go from here. Obviously you build on it. I don't think that this is like they missed the playoffs. It's going to be even more of a downward trend. I do think that if they're smart maybe they throw some money at rundown free agency. It seems like a good fit if they're able to do that you know they're only missing the playoffs by Gamer to its could not be the difference maker. Maybe then you get in see what happens but you know if they're still GonNa let me talk about trading Noah syndergaard in the off-season than you have to replace that and they were talking about trading Zack Wheeler you have to replace that you're at a row for the Ted. It's fucking these conversations have been have. That's why when I hear that question for me. That's just like that's. That's a tired lazy question. That's tired lazy. Ask of why the mets aren't in the postseason. That's really what that question is veiled as in in my opinion like are are. We wasting seem to rob yet. Here's a newsflash about everybody. That has the pitcher that performs the way the degrom has or close to it and doesn't find their way into the postseason feels like it's a season of performance performance wasted. You're not the only one and I understand you feel like it's happened multiple times in a row because it has that's that's reality though that is reality and to jerks point. You're getting the production. You're getting out of other guys in that lineup so it's it's really it's the Same Age Asia question you've been asking. Probably your entire mets life. Why are they wasting these performances final thoughts final thoughts damn all season comes to an end before our next podcast so it's a bittersweet moment because it's kind of one of those well it's that that moment and Titanic Nick where where she stands up tall? It's like well you can still see her. She's about to go all the way down. That's October. Are you talking about that scene in the were cates in the car on top elite. That's a that's a that's a different I was different different go into okay yup different scene so the foggy windows but this is it regular season in the books. This is our third season together. There's like there's like yesterday does one of these days we're we're going to record a podcast in the same room together but overrated overrated people all these people that mandate you know like being physically around each other to have to perform and just laugh at those people yeah babies as long as we stay out of the Barstool Studios. This is smooth silk. Maybe he didn't like like all seriousness. That's Hilarious to me what they've never had a podcast in studio before no that that's not funny funny to me or ought to be at all. What's funny to me is that the best shows tend to flow as far as reception goes is when we are not at our Oh yeah hundred million dollar valued Internet company when I stay Home Dallas is is in his bungalow Anglo and as I mean Jay is a very mysterious man I dunno where Jay is right now? The sheriff a fucking Norwalk where and we usually have the best reception that way but that's it twenty nine thousand nine seasons in the books the post season he's in is upon us. I really don't know like what content wise we're going to be doing. I Know Dallas is going to be tied to the as I don't know if I'm going to be anchored to the Yankees or what you know I've said this before but everyone's all you gotta do what hubs did you lash the dunce cap and it's like hubs lost a bet. I didn't lose shit so didn't hubs and hubs also fucked up a meet and greet yeah. That's what it was is he. He he organized a meet and greet at a bar and advertise a Barstool is going to be there. He didn't go and then a bunch of like a random bar made a bunch of money thinking that they were GonNa do like a bar still meet and greet when there was no barstool affiliation so we Kinda just like helped out a bar for no reason so that was hubs punishment was that he had to follow me around until the red talks were eliminated and then they won the world series so that was that's why he did the dunce cap. I will be following around the Yankees just because they're here Wolman New York but I think dependent on other series like I definitely if if the brewers can get to a wildcard game and have a home field they can be in Milwaukee for that. I'd love to go to that the as wildcard game. I'd love to go to that so yeah. Maybe maybe there is some travel that we're doing here because it makes no sense to have me in the electric chair. I mean I'm not I'm not electric chair material this October that'll just hubs but I do want to travel if if the F. The astros and Yankees lineup. I definitely want to go to Houston Dallas. You said you know the fucking train conductor. Do Bog is my homeboy. I'd I want to get it on that. fucking train Chew Chew Chew Mama Fuck Bobby Dynamites the man no the man no one eight down so it's all on the table by the way I oh by the way not not that I'm in in the position to be giving content ideas to the Barstool main in office these days but you actually should if the brewers nationals strap in I can't think of anything more riveting than a wildcard electric chair share featuring jared corrobos and nate or God that would get that would get dozens of yours. I think think I think a lot of people tune in to see that needs breakout performance well. That's it any any thoughts on on our third. Season in the budgets are best yeah and I WANNA say I'm sorry to see the season. Come to the end. It has come to for you guys. I know I know sometimes guys can check out when their fate has been determined. You guys have not done that that is appreciated. yeah yeah really just a total team effort from all of us this year yeah first year with a first year with double pods the whole season right. That's right double-barreled for for that ASS YUP first year with a guest every single week yeah it's going to be oh I would say to the listeners. We're we're GONNA be trying to get you podcasts during the postseason when they make the most sense suggest if it's not out first thing on Tuesdays and Thursdays that's just because we're trying to wait. Wait for resolutions to games or whatever and get you stuff. That's timely and relevant and and won't won't be irrelevant. The second drops of the the the quantity the of content will be the same in the postseason. Just just be on the lookout. Fuck Yeah I we'll

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Mets Talk, Rangers/Isles, NBA

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Mets Talk, Rangers/Isles, NBA

"The views expressed in the following program. Do not necessarily represent those of the staff. Banishment owners of wg bb from the gbd's studios in new york. Your that's right everybody. Our two or suck twelve forty. Thanks for sticking around on this cold sunday night here on long island as it's a just five after nine here on january twenty four twenty twenty one and sports up to new york coming at you right here w. g. b. sports Don't forget that you can follow us at act. Wgn sports talk on twitter. Check us out. You can follow me. At kramer new york on twitter and follow our next goat. A guest at timothy healy on twitter. If you want to know your mets us and with that. Like to welcome to the program tonight. Tim how're you doing tonight. I am excellent thank you. How are you Very well very well. Thank you just get my fill of football today. Have you been checking out. Any of the games i i as a new englander natively i watched the buccaneers and tom brady very closely today so it's been football day for sure so you root for brady as a new englander i am i am. I'll be honest. I know. Maybe i should have that feeling. I just can't find it in me to be angry about it. So i joined this playoff good for them. Good for them. I agree i agree. Especially brady's give you guys so much joy over the years if he could get one last one with tampa bay. I'd be reformed to there. You go exactly. And i'm a jets fan and i have no animosity towards tom brady at all. So let's probably probably leaves you in the minority. Does i definitely catch a lot. Of flack from my jet fan friends for i'm one of i just can't hate greatness. You're good with brady. One of the best of all time but you know. I just like to thank you for for joining tonight. I'm a big fan of your work absolutely absolutely and I'm sure being a mets beat writer. There's there's never a dull moment seems to always be something popping up for this team. I mean all these shenanigans of the last few years with the wilpon and you know there's always something going on. That fans are complaining about and thought that we got this shining light and stevie cohen. That came here. And i think he's definitely done a really great job of putting a new face on this team and everything but then unfortunately it seems like the mets are snake bit and again as they have to let go of jared porter after this pitchers controversy and everything like that pops up What are your thoughts on how. The mets handled the jared porter controversy and with how quickly they dealt with it and got rid of him. I thought they handled it well. There really was only one decision to make it easy. Decisions made it quickly and they fire correct as soon as that story came out on. Espn late monday night. Last week he he was cooked no they could possibly keep him. Especially in the context of steve cohen has faced some sex discrimination and stopped in his hedge fund their employees You know litigating that right now. so The mets had no choice but the fire jarred quarter and they did it quickly and alderson. His news conference a few hours later and he said basically all right things. I think You know bad situation like that so ms wise it's over lists. I think if you're the cubs who employ jared border. At the time he conducted himself this way. Or if the diamondbacks perhaps who hired him a couple of months later than maybe you're doing a little more soul-searching about Your culture and things like that mets wise you know made from here on out say improve their vetting process in some way But that'll be another verse across actually make another big higher which they are not going to right now. Okay well that was my next questions. So you think the mets are just gonna stay pat. Do you think that that. Sandy is taken the brunt of the gm responsibilities right now. Yeah that's that's pretty much the way it's gonna work Sandy alderson signed up to be team president. Which in effect is the job. That jeff wilpon had previously And the plan was for sandy to hire a president of baseball operations to work under him. And then general manager who worked under both of them going to have to top baseball executives And now he has neither of those things so sandia stuck doing the job that he didn't exactly sign up for when agreed to join. Steve cohen in this endeavor But that's the job he has now. Zac scott who was hired as assistant. Gm the week after the mets hired quarter. He is in sandy's inner circle So he's you know the assisting pile but fix to said he'll be taking out some responsibility now that there's no actual. Gm no doubt about it. No doubt about it now now. They're going to run it this way for the twenty twenty one season. But you see. I mean i know a lotta met. Fans are very hopeful. And even before they hired jared porter there was a lot of whispers. That feel epstein. Now do you think that maybe with porter being out do you think if they you know. I know i've seen had spoken about wanted to take twenty one off for his family and spent some time self reflection and everything on those lines. But you think maybe in october twenty twenty one after this season closes at a and the mets are looking for a new front office personnel. Do you think that is a chance. Theo epstein Gets a call from the mets. I think there is close to zero percent chance. That often comes to work for the mets and You know i. I think that'd be a lot of fun to cover as a reporter. I think it would be great for mets fans if that did happen but that's just it just doesn't line up Theo said he wants to take twenty. Twenty one off he just got hired by the commissioners office who is going to be working for. Mlb for the next year at least you know. I guess we'll see how that role develops over the course of time But if if the oh does get back into the king side of things the expectation is that he'll want a of ownership and i don't think steve cohen interested in giving up any piece of the team that he just worked so hard to buy And then the other thing too. Is that the oh and sandy are basically peers on the same level right Theo ran the show in the way. Sandy does for the mets and for theater. Then take a job with the mess. That's basically less than the job he had with the cubs would just the. It's it's kind of a setback for him So while i think every team's goal to be the higher ufc I don't see it happening for the mets. Never mind the fact that when jared quarter you know was harassing that report jar quarter was harassing the reporter A few years ago he was working under. Cf seen so. It'll be investigates yard. Quarter you know. Perhaps we'll learn more about who do who did not know what the cubs back then. Very true very true and it does reflect poorly on Theo epstein and the ship that he was running their In chicago at the time but Yeah you know. I i totally agree with you that That it would be a long shot to say the least for for theo. Coming to new york but you know to to get on on the field side they before. Puerto was dismissed. Pulled off this francisco. Madore trade they picked up one door and carrasco What are your thoughts on on this trade and like i know a lot of fans have especially now i can't believe it. I'm actually seeing mixed feelings on twitter. Because a lot of people wanted springer and to be honest. If i choose i choose landover springer. But what are your thoughts about that Lindo over springer. No doubt easy easy answer even though linda oral probably get twice the contract that springer dot from the blue jays Spring is perfectly good player. You know. I've been a fan of his since tuesday yukon You know in out on the draft in two thousand eleven when he went to the astros in the first round. So you know. I have anything bad to say about george springer but francisco endorsed players just under different The trade alone pasco to the best this month ways. I i think one You know it's right up there with johan santana mike piazza gary carter keith hernandez it's that level. No data van. If and win the mets sign one door to an extension which you know. It's no sure thing. But i pretty confident that that's going to happen If he continues the progression in his career that he said he's had over the first six or seven years. That you're talking about a guy who might be going into the hall of fame with pat. That's how big a trade it is for the man that's how good of a player francisco's indoor is You know never mind. The fact that the mets didn't have to give up all too much to get them. Carlos collazo who is the definite second season the trade. And don't don't sleep on him either. He's the exact kind of sergeant mess needed to add to the top or middle of their facing You know alongside the groundwork and so two really good pieces there and one of the best players and all the baseball and glendower. I couldn't agree more. And you know one of the things that people always talk about is culture and the culture of the clubhouse the culture the culture that you bring it into guys that coming from a winning culture. They're coming from one of the best managers in baseball Terry francona and when you're looking at two guys like you know lindores no for that smile and infectious happiness that he brings to clubhouse and then you see a guy like carlos carrasco who the entire clubhouse has to respect for his battle with illness in coming back and winning comeback player of the year and how he performed this season. You know those are two guys that can come in and immediately step into leadership roles in this clubhouse a very positive impact on this team. Yeah i agree with that. Tandy's talked a big gain the last couple of months about hiring good people and building a good culture and all those sorts of corporate buzzwords that you hear and fanned if there's more than buzzwords for the Then that involves doing things like firing chart quarter very quickly when you learned about that sort of thing and it means adding players who are not only on the field but Our people off the field. And you know. Obviously carlos caracas very impressive person fighting cancer and not only fighting cancer but beating cancer in returning to pitch in the same season so And you mentioned lindores to i. I've heard a lot of good things about him and just his demeanor his personality is just the way you conduct yourself around the team and in the community so You know it's it's you know i. It's sports winning matters most but it is good to to have good people in the clubhouse absolutely no doubt about it no doubt about it and i think the mets are doing a good job of keeping those good people in house. And you know you. You mentioned the puerto thing again and i just wanna touch on that real quick. Where how do you feel. Do you think that That steve cohen set a like he really set. The course of how this organization is going to handle things and really set a precedence for if anything like that happens under my watch you know. We're not gonna have any tolerance for that. And i feel like i don't wanna throw the wilpon under the bus because i know a lot of met fans take pleasure in doing that but i feel like i don't know if it would have been handled as quickly or as properly if they were still calling the shots. What do you think about that. Yeah i thought about that too and the the juxtaposition was stark. Because they're completely different things but you can't help but compare them last year when they were deciding whether or not the fire carlos beltran being attached so closely to one of the biggest cheating scandals in the history of the sport. They took four days to decide what to do with that And eventually parted ways with him whereas this one was more black and white and the mets means easy decision very quickly so you get credits You know i guess. It sends a message to the rest of the organization that you can't act that way and expect to be able to work for the mets But i i mean they giving people too much credit. But i would hope that that's already know that you know that that that's not an okay thing to do And if you do that you're putting your reputation and your job and other things that writ. Yeah exactly exactly. You'd like to think that people just kind of would understand the between the things you should do and things you shouldn't do especially as but you know since things fall through the cracks or some people i guess but right yeah exactly. Just don't act like a psycho he okay. I totally agree. And it's good to see the mets. Finally you know get getting credit for for handling something that the proper way to be honest and like you said we all knew what had to be done and you know so. Just keep looking at the mets year. I know they just pulled off a trade a couple of days ago for lefty joey lucchessi coming from the san diego padres nine. Oh the mets. Have you know decent starting rotation now. We mentioned carrasco go. They got a syndergaard. Coming out of rehab for tommy john surgery. Obviously the lock is jacob degrom and strowman coming back at just under nineteen mill So how do you think the back into this rotation looks. Do you think stephen matt's is really fighting tooth and nail. Do you think who do you think has the leg up between these two at the back. End of this rotation stephen matches definitely question-mark right now and whatever. His role ends up being. He's probably going to have to earn it right at the top of the rotation. It's pretty easy to pencil in the ground. Corralito stroman then. Probably david peterson solid rookie year. Last year you probably want to see more from the twenty twenty one. And then that leaves. Stephen matt's joey lucchessi for came over from the padres last week as you mentioned Maybe says lugo if they decide on that but it really sounds like he's gonna be reliever. Which is the method. Probably better off leaving into the bullpen. I if it's a matter if it's a matter of even matt versus jobe lucozzi for the starter role. Then that sounds like a good old fashioned spring training competition to me You know. I i i the those are those can be one of course. Lessen the guys go at it. Grapefruit league season but notably matt's has dabbled in the bullpen and a couple of years. It's only been a small handful of outings total. But it's something the have gotten a look at They don't currently have a left-hander locked into their bullpens. Us syria to clean option and lucchessi does not have to be. In the major the major league roster he has minor league options. Aaa aaa syracuse. Excuse me if they need or want to. So there's flexibility there that was part of the -til of o'casey Because they don't have to carry them he is good solid starter. Gets right let let. Let's say mass wins the fifth starter job. In luke as he starts out not in the rotation bouquets he would be your next man up and any starts that he get are starts that You know corey. All's well would have gotten or in the past walker lock. It would've got right. That's sort of upgrade. you know. it's not a huge attention. Grabbing trade or upgrade but it it matters and the mets last couple of years really lacks that depth and got a lot of innings from pitchers who probably didn't belong. And they're not going to try to do less of that which will make them better overall. Yeah i definitely agree with that. I think You know it's kind of like one of the mission statements that sandy said right out of the gate when he was first introduced as team president. that you know. He really wanted to upgrade the the death of this team as a whole. And i think that's one of the things that a lot of met fans complained about over the years. Because you know you see on the other side of town the yankees when they have injuries boy they just plug guys in like luke voight and he becomes a homerun. You know threaten you know they have all these guys that they just pull out of seemingly nowhere that just come up big for them and the mets really don't have that i think maybe the only comparisons guy like mcneil who you really wouldn't have bet on and just came on the scene as a big time player but i mean other than that. The death really hasn't been there outside of their top tier talent. So it's good to see them starting to add to the ranks a little bit. Yeah totally totally greed When you think about the mets and what they might be under steve cohen. And the idea is they're going to do the this market big payroll lots of talent. The yankees dodgers. Those are the models part of what makes the yankees and dodgers successful. Is finding players like luke voice for example who is pretty much a nobody in saint louis came over and a minor trade and then he leads. The league in home runs last year or or fours dodgers. They picked up. Max muncie is also a scrub and then he turns into a multi in all star or gate hernandez who plays a million physicians. Now the free agent casting with the red sox but with a terrific player for the dodgers for years so you know as much as doors. The lindores of the world are going to you know lead the way media coverage in statistics. All those things being able to identify under-valued players elsewhere is very important and the mets are and have to do that. Find some diamonds in the rough so to speak if they want to be the kind of team that they wanna be your. You know one of those guys. That i was really intrigued by to that what it was i think he was the first actual signing That the mets made in the official steve cohen era of was same mcwilliams. And yeah. I really didn't know much about him but the more i looked into him after i heard about the signing i was very. I was thrilled just to see that they were going out and you know it might have been a little bit of a high guarantee they gave him. But it's worth it. Especially if your team like the mets now that are playing in the deep end of the pool. Yeah yeah apple sam. Williams was a super interesting sign. And you're right that he's a good answer to a trivia question was the first player to receive and then sign a major contract from the steve cohen methods williams who is an complete unknown to most people. He has never pitched in the majors. Despite having received a major league contract from the mets november But he is. A big dude is done. A lot of data driven work to try to get the most out of his body and his ability and he growth heart. Upper nineties touches a hundred. It sounds like the mets are gonna look at it as a reliever even though he has mostly been a starter in the raise organization in the past so That's you're exactly right. That's a great example of what the mets should be trying to do in finding these virtual unknown players who maybe can become big time. Contributors only time will tell. San williams is one of those but sounds interesting enough that it's worth a shot. Yeah you're right and you know even if they go out and sign. You know ten guys. Like sam nick. You know mcwilliams. If two or three of those guys hit then you're having. Yes that makes a big difference in depth end potentially future on your major league roster yup yup and if they signed ten kinda those guys through three that's a massive difference They can make all the difference between a an okay team in a playoff team or a playoff team in legit championship. Contender so That's the sort of stuff. I i'll expect him to be continuing to do more indefinitely and just on a on a regular basis constant basis just looking out for those sorts of additions. Absolutely and tim. I wanna thank you so much for taking time on on your sunday night during championship sunday to talk a little baseball at me here but before i let you go i just want your answer on to mess things real quick. Do you think that The mets go after. Jackie bradley jr. in centerfield and brad hand in the bullpen. What do you think both those guys realistic. And you know. Do you think they get done. bradley is absolutely an option I don't know what he's looking at pricewise. What market is exactly. But the mets need to center fielder. Jackie bradley jr. is a very good center fielder. Yes he left handed just like a bunch of the other mets hitters. Somebody's not ideal but of these into the biggest Piece of the center field equation for the match if you can sign a good defensive center fielder and then moved demo to last. We're good defensively. Then that's upgrading to positions and then you know let's center fielder hit nine you know. What does it really matter. That much to the mets should have a pretty good lineup So whether or not rather somebody else expect. A good defensive center fielder grabbed hand would have been a good addition for the match. I thought i was on that bandwagon all season but It looks like he's signing with the national according to a few prominent national reporters tonight so In the mets won't have grad hands. But it sounds like they'll see plenty of twenty twenty one okay. Okay must have missed that. When i was coming in tonight. That's good to know the you know the nationals did make it some moves this year. Picking up You know the the pirates first baseman at first base. So that's a it's definitely a team that is reloading instead of trying to rebuild. Yep it's going to be a heck of a top division again for them at the no doubt about it. Well tim thanks again but before ligo. Who's your super bowl. pick. And i'll i'll try not to hold their gains. If you pick brady are gonna take the bucks over whoever comes out of this. probably not. okay okay. I totally get that you. You can't go wrong. Picking the greatest of all time. Exactly all right. Thanks again tim for spending a few minutes us tonight and have a great week. Can we do to read everything you've got coming at us and twenty twenty one. Thank you appreciate it all right. Have a good one. That's a ten healy. You can follow him on twitter at ten. Be healy just a one of the great. Mets beat writers out there. Sagay you could follow for all your mets info and everything like that. So thanks again. And joan for sticking with me here on sunday night as had three great interviews tonight. So if you've missed anything you don't forget to check out our podcast versions on stitcher apple in spotify and everywhere else can podcasts. Check those out I'll be up in the league last half hour the last leg of sports talk new york right here and i'll check it out on the side of this. 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Get your buster. Today you're listening to sports dove new york on long island. Wgn now back to the show phrase ladies and gentlemen the final half hour of sports duck. Twelve forty right. Now you're as you're listening to me. Rub kramer on this twenty this two hour block right now. Eight to ten. Thanks for writing out and sticking with me here as three really great guests that we've had we kicked off the show. If you didn't hear you can go back and check it out you know. We kicked off the show ken. O'brien really just want to thank you for coming on. He was fantastic. Such a great guest The championship games today in the nfl talking about old times in his career and his feelings under the current jet situation. Everything so a lot of fun with kenny. If you want to go back and check that out. Then after that we had on pat leonard From new york daily news. Just a lot of fun talking with pat talking all the nfl stuff today Championship games like we like. We mentioned we talked about the the jets and the giants future plans. He gives us a super bowl prediction. So a lot of fun in that first hour go back and check it out if you haven't had the chance yet. everything will be out tomorrow On a podcast platforms that you'd like to check it out if you want. Follow us on twitter to just to keep up tickets out on. Wgn sports talk and if you want to follow the station at the mu gb radio and just like if you've been listening to this this full hour right now. I just ended up having a great talk with the mets. Beat writer tim healy. You can follow him on twitter at tim. be healy. and if you wanna follow pat leonard. Tika file pat leonard at p. leonard n. y. d. n. New york news. So please check that out right now as both those guys have a lot of great things to offer to any of their audiences especially social media and you know those guys are great so please check them out and right now as i sit here in the studio i see that. The chiefs have taken control of this championship game. Thirty one fifteen. The bills just look like they're they're offenses is sputtering. It doesn't look You know like we've seen the bills drought just about fifty points earlier. This postseason so They they really have had their offense role in like a freight train. It just could not get going today. the the chiefs are just you know a hell of a team l. team so they're going to be going potentially as long as they hold on to their second consecutive super bowl and That's going to be a lot of fun to see. Patrick mahomes and tom brady this time. Not competing in an afc championship game. Like they did a couple of years ago they will be competing in a super bowl on the grandest stage of the mall. So going to be a real interesting thing to to take a look at the super bowl net with one of the greatest of all time. Probably the greatest of all time. And tom brady going up against the best up and coming quarterback around right now. Patrick mahomes as everybody knows. He's established himself now the chiefs this year. Just being in this game alone Have rpm and their third consecutive afc title game appearance so they already have proven beyond doubt that they're one of the elite teams in the league and have been for quite a few years now and You know coach andy reid. You couldn't be more happy for andy reid as this is a guy who just seemed to be snake bitten and championship games in the past. It seemed like it even followed him to kansas city at first as kansas city. Got the title game. Couple of years ago they lost. They got there wasn't for d ford like we talked to To pat leonard. He said that earlier in in the show last hour he. He mentioned how you know. Just him flinching Ford that is a really cost them potentially if they win today three straight super bowl appearances which would be the first time that's happened in a long time the at least since the s when the bills did it The bills went to four straight not appeared in three straight since then the patriots have appeared in two to three and three hundred four and back to back. But they've never done three straight in this run so a lot of fun things to think about if you wanna give me a call right now On i'm just going to be chatting with you for the next half hour so no guests for for this for this part so if you want to give me a ring you can call me up at five one. Six six to three twelve forty. That's five one six six to three. Twelve forty gimme your thoughts about j. sunday. The mets the yankees. Anything else. you've got on your mind would love to hear it You know. I just had the the ranger game on early two. I'm going back and forth here in the w. g. w. gb studios as the rangers just took a tough loss. Three two against the pittsburgh You know they're up and down. Start to the season continues. Lost three two elite goal under two minutes remaining in the game. It's like a flashback. To a year or two ago when the rangers had that happening all the time. But you know. The rangers have a very young team and a team that You know they have twenty. They have guys the seven guys on the roster. They're twenty two and under. They actually hit eight of them dressed tonight. As had colin blackwell make his Nhl debut and he came out and scored a the first game of the of the The the first goal of the evening but the putting a rangers up one nothing He put that in the back of the net from fox and houten and You know they they really look good Early in the game they were flying the eight guys twenty two and under on this team right now. You know especially with two rookies in. They're actually three if you include. Iglesias jerkin for the rangers goal. 'cause he still retains his rookie status even though he only because he only played in twelve games last year So he's still rookie. You got you know you know one of the most. Well known rookies in laughing airplane. Then you have key. Andre miller now now blackwell and there's actually four rookies. They just keep multiplying. You got another nineteen year old kid. Kako it it's the oldest of them is just jerkin. Who's twenty four. He's only played thirteen games now. So this is a team. That's really going to have to take time to ran into form you know last year remember. This was not a playoff team of i. Forty games of the nfl season last year until they finally started committing to defense and finally started. Come together and then it all came together when they brought up eager in january and went on that ten and two run. And you know that's something that the rangers really have to learn from They get really lazy defensively. Sometimes and you know this type of thing happens where you will to a very late goal. You should at least to take this game to overtime and get get a victory out of it You know when you look on the other side of town you have one of the better teams in hockey the the islanders to look at and you know the the the rangers as such a young team. You have to learn to play defense like that share. The islanders went out and lost to nothing. Today to the devils. They didn't have a good day. But the islanders are a very good team You know definitely stanley cup contender. Definitely one of the more defensively responsive responsible teams in hockey and to to think that You know the rangers can play this high brand of skill hockey and and win and win. Eddie constant you know pace. It's very tough to do that very tough to do that. You have to play defensive and a responsible brand of hockey to win in this league and it's something that took look at the capital's they had such great teams for so long. It took that team until they finally hired. Barry trotz not coincidentally the islanders head coach currently to come in and teach that team everything that they know about hockey throughout the window. Everything starts with defense play defense and the offense will come and you will win when you have offensively skilled players. You have to hammer defense into them. That's a barry trotz date in washington and that's what barry trotz to date in In new york to with the islanders. That's why the islanders weren't hurt. That much from the loss of john. Devaras going to toronto. Because barry trotz if the come in and say i don't care about a big time you know goalscoring center. That doesn't play defense and you know doesn't get back in isn't defensively responsible and you know john of ours is obviously good player but the islanders probably lucked out letting him walk because letting him take that much money in a cat world and you know not playing defensively or defensive hockey you know i. I'm sure though. If barry trotz coached him he would have get him to he. He would have got him to buy. Eventually he did for ovechkin but it takes time and right now as you see in toronto right now. He's still they. They're not you know winning so much more than the islanders. The islanders went and played to game six of the of the eastern conference finals last year. That's that's pretty much as far as you can go without actually getting stanley cup final. Okay there could have pushed it one more game for the game seven but lost in overtime in game six. So you know. The islanders are still one of the the teams in hockey. That if you look at it that you say okay. That team has a chance to win the stanley cup. The rangers aren't that yet but they can be with the amount of talent they have and you know a lot of rangers hating head coach. David quinn for the way he's been handling the lineup The way that you know. Have they've been using jack johnson. Oh man and you can't hear rangers fans complain enough about jack johnson. Jack johnson jack johnson. Look i'm not a fan of jack johnson But i also think judge hudson is the worst thing in the world. The guy is you know a decent. Nhl player is better than brandon. Smith i don't know i don't know that's a close one i'd probably rather have the Mean streak of brennan smith in the lineup at this point over the A defense of of jack johnson. But he hasn't looked to great on the penalty. Kill the me so far. He's getting a lot of his time on the penalty. Kill so i just hope that he He keeps playing Or he keeps getting better because right now he doesn't look that great but i'm not killing him yet. Either but brendan smith also to. He's had one one good game one bad game so far so you just gotta kinda hope that he figures his game out to one thing to people really have to keep in mind about these early. Nhl games. i mean you have one game where the islanders look like world leaders. You have one game with the islanders. You know they beat the rangers four nothing. They lose five nothing rangers and the same thing that the rangers rangers go out there. They blow the doors off the islanders. After looking terrible on opening night they go out. Blow the doors off the islanders five. Nothing now rangers fans of beside themselves. Saying i okay. This team's going to the playoffs. They're doing this. They're doing that and they come out. And they lay two eggs against a very good pittsburgh team. Now that's frustrating as you can imagine i mean the you know especially when they have You know you have the the rangers go out there. They built a three one. Lead on friday It seems like it's a slam dunk that they're going to win. A you know as long as just air holes up there. They get a break mega three to next thing you know. It's three three the all sudden. You're losing in overtime. So okay you take solace in the fact that you've got a point you learn from it you try to better yourself from it and the next in you come out three inches. Were up to one in this game too. Don't forget that then they blow that so it's to two and then with a minute left in regulation you know era fifty six game season where every single point matters and you lose this game in this fashion Very disappointing for rangers. It's a you know you have to finish in the top four in the division. If you wanna make the playoffs and you know a couple of weeks ago. I had dave maloney on really great interview with him. If you want to check that out its archives check it out on sports New york W gb sports saga. You can find your links there and everything and check it out on the w. g. b. b. website You know we have. I spoke to dave bologna. Radio man is on msg And he was even saying that to be in that top four to make the playoffs. There's definitely a road there but it's not an easy one as you know you look at the other teams in division. I mentioned the islanders. Elite team You have obviously the philadelphia flyers. Were one of the better teams in hockey at the moment You have like we just mentioned the. What's it called the pittsburgh penguins you know the this is a very deep division and to think that You eat even the devils beat. The rangers too by the way You know the devils are team that that is on the rise. Especially it really. Looks like a jack hughes took this the next step forward which is what a lot of ranger fans are hoping that we get a cavaco as well But jack us looks like he's difference maker now because he was all over the ice again. They played against the rangers. A tough four three loss for the rangers to the devils Last week but you know mad jack. Us just was playing out of his mind playing great hockey. He was a justice. Foresee reckon with he was the reason. Why the devils won that game and while the rangers were pretty much playing. Catch up that entire game as well. So definitely tiffany of cap to jackie's us as he's put on weight put on muscle and really made himself into a You know elite player. It looks at this point. I mean you know. It's not a hundred percent yet. It's only a couple of games in. Let's see if he can make this less through the full season but It looks like jackie is taken that next step into the upper echelon type players and that's music to every devils fans ears. No doubt about it as as i do a quick check in right now with the afc championship game and the chiefs are leading the bills. Thirty eight to twenty one with just over four minutes remaining regulation the bills have the ball but As down by seventeen not looking too good right now. so But thanks for choosing to listen to me here on this sunday night as i really appreciate it we've had a lot of fun tonight and You know the the championship. Sundays always a great day to get on. It's one of my favorite days to do radio and t. talk breakdown. Football especially with a great guy like pat leonard and even kennel brian. What great insight ken. O'brien was talking to him earlier. Tonight you could check that out in the archives if you'd like to But you know just to really We talk about one. ns gt when. I talked about the other. What a stark difference. It's vin in the knicks this year as they surprisingly of one of the better defensive teams in basketball I really have gotten a kick outta watching. The knicks play this year. It's been such a long time. Since i could say that they've been such a disappointing team. But when you go out last week and okay. They had a tough loss and a back to back to sacramento on friday night but they went out. They hammered boston. One five seventy five lists sunday then they come out on a back to back at home and beat orlando ninety one eighty four and they get two days off and headed to golden state and pounded the warriors won nineteen one. Oh four now. Is that the same warrior team from a couple years ago. No no durant there. You know a couple of guys hurt but they still have dream on and they still have steph curry and the knicks. Still put a hurting on them. They looked good. Rj barrett looks like. He's starting around into that number. Three pick form you know. We had to number three picks in the last couple of years in this This league actually Actually we have three really think about it. Because we had our j barrack pick number three. We had sam darnold pick number three in two thousand eighteen. And we'd quinn. Williams get picked number three in twenty nineteen so we got a bunch of number three picture that the fan bases of these teams are really starting to to warm up to now. Sam darnold's still jet fans really don't know where they stand on him. But quinn and williams really rounded into after looking like a first year bust. A lot of people said it You know. I still thought it was twenty one. The kid was twenty one years old. You gotta give them a little bit of time a little bit of rope especially on a bad team. We had no help but this year he really looked like he ran into a top notch. Nfl defensive lineman it looks like on the basketball side of things. Rj barrett is doing the same thing he's consistently Dropping twenty plus points. A game is getting a lot of rebounds He's really taken his game to the next level. Rj barrett is showing me. That you know. There's a reason why there was a lot of hype. Bet and coming at duke There's a reason why. Rj barrett was picked number three And he and he's just proven it right now. You know one guy. That's really made a big difference on. This team is You know the What's it called the. Obviously you have the the head coach. It's all it all. It all starts from the top no doubt about it. You can't say anything else. But tom thibodeau has really. This has been a little bit of a theme today. We've mentioned this name again with this word again. Culture as he's really changed the next culture in the locker room They really Their gritty team. That the defense. They're they lead in in offensive rebounds. I i've seen before but also when you look at a guy like Julian randle or a joined. Julius randle He's really taking his game the next level and he was never really an assist guy before but he's averaging over six assists a game this year. He's every twenty plus points ten plus So randall as the he should be taken his game level. He's the highest. Paid nick right now. A lot of fans were hoping they dumped him in a salary dump this year but he's a big reason. Why this team is playing well right now and you know you you look at him and say to yourself okay You know lake. When i see it a him elfriede peyton i think is a guy that kind of flies under the radar a little bit. You know we mentioned Rj mitchell robinson obviously is a defensive force Noel the big center. They got right now. He's a big defensive force to kevin. Knox has shown a real knack for hitting the three. So i'm really really hoping that he can round into a guy that can play twenty plus minutes a night and be a real constant threat at least from beyond the the perimeter You know the the knicks have a bunch of guys that they recently signed. Taj gibson to for you know little veteran leadership in that locker room to very very young team The kit quickly got the first round rivers has looked good at times You know burks. He got hurt but he he's looked well And tap into their number one pick this year number eight overall pick. I'm i've been a big fan with what i've seen at an ob You know they have a lot of Being the star wars references. And they're on the knicks twitter and everything with obi wan. Ob this'll be so. It's been a lot of fun for social media. It's been a lot of fun for fans to see And obi topped by the way to was one of the people one of these kids especially that really showed a lot against Golden state and late in the game. His minute started going up because he really started getting comfortable and really started making plays so as a lot of fun to obi top and do his thing and You know that's a. That's something that you really have to take consideration that. Tom tivo is molding. These kids into good young defensive players and just like i was saying about with the rangers in the islanders earlier. He showing them that defensive. Responsibility leads the offense now when you look at the knicks. They're definitely not one of the better offensive teams in basketball. But they're playing such good defense that their offense has been enough to be around a five hundred team now. You know if you would've told a nick fan. Twenty years ago that the knicks. Be five hundred team right now. They wouldn't be very happy about it. You know they would definitely you know have to wonder what happened to turn this into just a five hundred team but if you tell the knick fan what three years ago four years ago that this team is a five hundred team they probably think you were lying because team has consistently one anywhere between seventeen and twenty five games of the last years. They've the which is very very bad. When you're playing eighty two game seasons so you really have to look and see that. Okay if they could keep this up there eight and nine right now. They're actually starting in a couple of minutes at ten o'clock in portland and if you know they can keep this up right now and end up being between a thirty five and forty one teen digging to be in playoff contention in the nba. No doubt about it. The eastern conference is not a stack conference like the the west we could even get teams that are over five hundred missing the playoffs out in the west in the east. Usually there's a team or two that's under five hundred that makes the playoffs. that could be the knicks. Now you're facing the number one seed so you're is a pretty good chance you're going to have a quick exit but you know what i think. Just like the rangers this this past summer where you had a lot of these young guys kako fox You know a lot of these young guys even chess jerkin gun for for a game. When you see these kids getting shot in the playoffs it it takes it up a notch. It lets them know what's on the inside is no longer a mystery. Oh gee what's it gonna be like. When i play my first playoff game going to be like when i do this that they've already experienced it so now you get those nerves out of the way. They've got their first playoff game. They know what it feels like. The noticed smells like they know what it's been like The only thing difference especially for the rangers is hopefully the next time make. The playoffs is going to be fans in the stands But you know with the next it all comes down to just making sure that there defensively responsible and if they if they do have a chance to make the playoffs this year with this very very young squad It'll be a lot of fun to watch and it might be a blow out in that first round who who knows it could be one of those rounds where you know who knows who the number one seed in the east is going to be Maybe it'll be the nets. Maybe it'll be a knicks nets first round one eight matchup. Which really you know the last time. Those two teams met in the playoffs. It was a it was a net sweep. does another knicks under five hundred team that made the playoffs in two thousand and four At a one two three four sweep exit by by out the door in the first round the playoffs that year but the knicks were in a different spot. Back then it was. That was more of an older team. that was just trying to add a big star and get themselves to the playoffs. And take that that next step and everything but this is completely different. This is a young team. That really just wants to You know get themselves to the make their mark and make their name and get in the playoffs and You know if they can have a big time series with the with you know with the nets right now That would be a lot of fun. It might not be a lotta competition because you know you've got a three really great players over there in brooklyn as the nets went out. And just recently acquired harden. They stuck them with kyrie. Who was a big factor in the nets comeback win the other night and kevin durant. Obviously who is a first ballot hall of famer. So there's a lot of stuff to unpack when it comes to the nets That's one thing. I'm keeping my eye on. I mean i don't know boston could be the number one seed There could be a lot of different number one seeds in the east right now but I think the nets are at least a decent shot and it would be a lot of fun to see a mix nets playoff game for the first time or or or playoff series. I'm sorry for the first time since two thousand four i mean. We haven't seen a rangers islanders playoff series since nineteen ninety four. So it'd be nice to start seeing some of the the the teams around here start meeting in the playoffs again. Who knows maybe a couple years down the line. We'll have another subway series It only took fifty years last time. Maybe it'll take a little bit less than that this time around. So we went from with the dodgers and the yankees meeting and fifty six in the world series to the mets and the yankees meeting in two thousand so k. Was forty four years a little less than fifty. So who knows. It's been twenty or eighty so we're halfway there hopefully Hopefully they could change that sooner rather than later. Because god knows the the mets need a break and the yankees due to the yankees. I haven't been to a world series since two thousand nine. The mets two dozen fifteen but the yankees won that world series in two thousand nine whereas the mets haven't won one since nineteen eighty six and You know lease gentlemen Just want to thank you for sticking around with me on this sunday night as i had a lot of fun here on sports. Talk new york Talked to a lot of guys tonight. Kenny o'brien at eight o'clock. Thank you so much pat leonard cohen. In after that. Thank you so much talking. Football at him Tim healy thank you so much given a call in like i said earlier if you want to follow those guys on twitter you can follow pat leonard at p. leonard New york daily news y. d. n. So please follow him enough for your nfl. Updates and tim be healy at ten. Be healy on twitter. Check that out. You can check me out to at kramer new york. My last name c. r. a. m. e. r. n. y. Check me out there and also on twitter check out. This great shows. Sports tough new york at w. g. b. sportstalk thanks to brian. Last being the best in the biz and helping me out today. Thanks to ross towel for having me on tonight thanks everybody for listening and come out of affectionate time enjoy this. The views expressed in the previous program did not necessarily represent those of the staff management or owners of w gb.

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"Wednesday edition of the chris. Rock show on scoops. With danny mac dot com happy wednesday t the november eighteenth twenty twenty addition of the program. We are a week away from thanksgiving aka. Dan mclachlan's eighty seventh favorite holiday behind flag day. Arbor day halloween. Which checked in at number two and his power rankings but thanksgiving a week away looking forward to chatting with dan tomorrow but today on the show looking forward to having jim hayes our buddy the cat in studio. We're gonna visit with jim talk. Who knows what coming up in. Just a couple of minutes. Also rick game it will be with us in the second segment preview. The rsm pretty good field on the pga tour this week after augusta and ripple talk dfs with us so a big show for you today. Remember to subscribe to the scoops. Danny podcast wherever you listen to podcasts. Leave review take screen shot and send it over to be on twitter at c. h. r. a. b. or at scoops at danny mac on twitter. And we'll send you a hat. We've already been sending some swag out so subscribe leave review and send us a screenshot are. Let's get to it in dive right in because there's a lot to talk about with one of my favorite people. Jim hayes from fox is a treat for me is a treat for the listeners. Can't imagine what it's like for you because it's a treat we haven't we haven't been able to. We haven't been able to crack wise and speaking of treats treats tweet send any tweets from press box. We haven't done anything. No one has done anything. But i gotta say it's. It's a nice to be in here with you we are. We are socially distanced and we are staying safe. But you just can't stop the takes and we gotta get. We gotta get some offer chess boy. Oh boy with the us better at soccer. If lebron had grown up playing soccer your take. I got a better one. And i tweeted this out. I was shocked to find out. You know we're we're in an age. Now we're looking at big tech big pharma who's out to take over society. I got one for you. Big toffee. did you know that. Crunch and munch and fiddle-faddle are actually owned by the same company. Hashtag big toffee. You are a young as candy references. Yeah i think people still. I mean crunch and much people still like it. And he's not like hey. Hey billy crackerjack it's not. It's not like that. I'm surprised that Well maybe it's not big dental. Maybe it's big filling. That's keeping those toffee based candies and business because you know by the way thirty four years old here. Let me just Your knuckles into the microphone. Let me just lean back in spin a yarn here. This is going to impress. You never had a cavity. That's good never once. Is it because of dental hygiene or genetics. You know Because some people just have better team. It's like if you ask mike trout. Is it because of hard workers because of genetics. Yeah i mean are you flopping after every meal of course not. What kind of maniac floss apple. Do some people bring a toothbrush and i. I always expect their the people with less. Cavities see. i don't and you know it's kinda like ken. Griffey junior used to say does does a cheetah stretch before it catches its prey. I feel like if you do too much then. You don't let your body do. Its work actually being completely serious. I feel like the reason that i do not get sick. I know a lot of people. say that. But legitimately is because i grew up in large family. And you're just you build up a little toughness. You build up a little a little natural armor two things around you and maybe that's like my teeth. Sorry all you weirdos who are renton with rc. Cola but no cavities for this guy. That's unbelievable now. We didn't have a big family but are dead. Did enroll us in toddler fight club so we we had some toughness. You don't talk about toddler fi club but it's out there. How many punches have you take. Easy strike me as someone who no pun intended. I know that you've you've been known to scrap. You'll step to someone. Well i'm fifty seven now. I'm an adult. I mean right now just a few the last one that i actually had and i'll share the story because it's very humbling. I had to be late thirties. Playing pick up basketball in the local gym with buddies of mine. And i would talk back then. I was in shape. I was a decent athlete. And so i would talk some smack and apparently one guy built up this rage against me because i would talk so much and i showed up one day and he said he wanted to fight me on the court over. Right there in front anna. I said we're two grown man's you waiting outside. Yeah and it was like a residential area. I said we're we're we're two grown men in gym shorts came at me. He came at me. And so we're rolling around on someone's front lawn next to the gym and i thought to myself this can never happen again. This maybe i have to examine my on court demeanor. And and maybe i need to show more sportsmanship i have. I have a son now. I didn't have one back then. So i wouldn't do that. I'm trying to teach him sportsmanship. But i would talk smack. One guy took it the wrong way and we ended up and the truth. Is you know when you have two old guys fighting. Nobody wins society but he did as we're rolling around bloody nose and i. I did point once things settled down. I said okay. Paul go wipe your nose. You're bleeding a little mets on him into another rate. Is there anything worse than pickup basketball guy. Who is acting like he's a somehow in an open tryout for an nba team and be like. I'm an we all know the drill. There's a reason that we're playing pickup basketball. You don't need to be throw in the elbows you don't need to be Fouling hard and then taking offense to everything like the over zealous pickup basketball guy is one of the worst sports guys. You can come across. Note to self ray. Just the way but i wasn't when i was but i tried. You know like i wouldn't. I'm not saying. Don't try saying the guy who literally will like throw an elbow into your calls every foul like man like we're all just trying to get through this you know i'm the guy after six minutes time. I wanna play half court having a hard time. Getting up and down. Boys i can. I can say this the one of the good things about getting old is. You're forced to outgrow some of those bad behaviors and and the other great thing is if you wanna eat dinner at five you you can like no looks down so there are. There are things that nature puts in place to make you gradually gracefully grow old and those are some of the bonuses to Talk about baseball in a moment. But one more Pickup basketball take. So i lived in memphis for three and a half years and a couple of buddies had signed up for a rec league Like a church league on tuesday nights and there were three levels of the league. A-league be league and league so we into the sea league because obviously we just wanted to play. We didn't want to take it super super seriously and memphis like saint louis. A great basketball seen a lot of great high school players in college players. So in the seelig we found out that there were a couple of teams whether by shifting or ignorance thought that see was the best league and we ended up playing against in our first game. Our first game a team of former university of memphis players like this is. That's not ceiling. You know they have the basketball tournament now where they play for a million dollars. These guys were throwing like alley. Oop dunks off the backboard. That was my first and only game. And then i transitioned to coach of the team and i did not participate on how badly they beat you. Oh they were triple digits. We probably had twenty to thirty points. It was one hundred twenty-five legitimately they were in the wrong league and they kept playing like guys like we could just either not play. You guys could not be jackasses about this but yeah we got We got waxed pretty good. We could use your boy you know to to throw a couple of punches and maybe Startled a little scrum. Maybe go ron our test into the crowd. My most deflating moment adult league or wreck basketball We we played a team that brought in a ringer. She was a point guard in the wnba and she was not tall. I was taller than her. And i can't remember name. But i did look her up after. She was a bona fide. Professional player and I mean i couldn't i. She's just crossed. New overthrowing nola scored thirty points without breaking a sweat. And if there's ever like you ever have fantasies that you could play or maybe if it was this or maybe nope nope i mean. I don't know how she hooked up with this team. And i think she was just filling in for someone but it was just like a different game and even the best players in our team couldn't even come close to even trying to stop this. I was going to fantasy camp in florida couple years ago. You think in you watch baseball. And i say that i will never consider anything routine anymore because i was playing first base when ankle was hitting and you know we had a pretty good guy pitching. I think he pitched a little bit of college. Maybe an ankle hit about six or seven foul balls just pulled him down the first baseline right by my head and i saw my life flash before my eyes with every single one like if there have been people in the stands with no netting roger dean they would have been killed and just just to watch that too to play in the outfield and see the way a big leaguer like ankle or tyler. Green one of those guys Lost to them in the chip but to see the way that they hit a fly ball. It's like oh my god every even even if you think hey i could probably coach or manage like my kid got pitching lessons from a couple of legitimate pitching instructors and i realized as long as i've been around the game and think i know a lot even though people that see my reporting realized i don't but i i realize like in the first two minutes like there is so much more. Oh yeah you guys are doing. Then i had a and this is teaching fundamentals to a kid. You know so. Yeah i mean every once in a while you gotta eat a hunk of humble pie and maybe reassess the and don't fight in gym shorts someone long on someone's lawn. The cat is with us. You know yesterday. Theo epstein announces his resignation from the cubs and general managers. Now it's president of baseball operations. Whoever is leading team you know that they come under an incredible amount of fire them and the manager because baseball. It's so much a part of being a fan to second guess. And i'm curious your thoughts as we watched theo win a world series with the red sox leave and essentially site the same bill walsh philosophy that he sided with the cubs that ten years with an organization is about the right amount of time. He rebuilds the cubs. We were there in in two thousand fifteen for a miserable and lds where we are just sitting and waiting for things to be over. The cubs are celebrating. And kicking off the apex of of the franchise. They win a world series now. He departs albeit a year. Early your thoughts on just someone like the o. Doing something like he did and then saying listen. My plan all along was to come here Do what i did move on. I'm ready for a new challenge. Whatever it might be. I feel like organization needs to be And some different hands this off season What do you make of that. Because we don't necessarily see that. I feel like we see the guy. Stay too long way more than we see the guy leave either a little bit earlier at the right time. I don't think one size fits all i. I think the fact that if you have an organization where people stay. I think the fact that you have that sort of consistency is a plus for an organization. It's working if it's not and you're running through a bunch of different guys. That's actually the opposite direction. But someone like theo to me is like he sort of like the property brothers of baseball management like the one with the tool belt. I don't really know but you know if you're a married guy then you have to watch a lot of hgtv and there's like a thousand of these home renovation shows. And that's what i think of. Theo is like he wants to come in. Find a house and say all right. This is not a load bearing wall will tear it down. I want an open floor plan. These people are going to do a lot of entertaining. We need outdoor space and we need nice crown molding and then he gets it done. Get rid of the popcorn ceiling and the people move in and they love it and then he's ready for the reynaud flips it. That's what he is kind of like. he's kind of like a mercenary. Yeah but we don't see that that often in sports you know like i said i one size doesn't fit all. I don't know everyone could do what he does. Now part of what he does is now. He has a resume where he's trusted to do that. so i think he gets free rein to do is renovation project. The he might say. We need a splash of colour. On this wall over here and in other organizations they would say no. We don't do that. We tile or whatever but since he's got you know the track record he wants he wants to put maroon on that wall instead of tile. They're going to let them do guys. I need an extra fifty grand or we're going to have to choose between the basement and the garage. Greenwich always a wrinkle right. There's always and it always comes at like the forty one minute mark after that commercial like you know that it. It's not just going to go swimming and they always like like the form and comes in all dejected to you know who's ever hosting the show and they go. I've got some bad bad news. What is it. The upstairs plumbing thrusted out. How much is that going to cost. Sixteen thousand dollars ripe right before the commercial. It's like answers his phone what happened. I'll be there in a second and that was like we need to trade for jose tana right and and with theo though there's never there's always endless supply money so it's not really a plot twist he'll end up getting whatever he wants to do to fix up that particular teams house so he leaves and the cubs now who had become You know from fifteen through the last year or two right now One of the forces in major league baseball and certainly in the national league central they will be run by jed hoyer. Dan kanter fits as their director of scouting he could be in the mix for the general manager position and it's interesting to watch what the cubs did and how they did it and compare it to the cardinals. Because there's been some talk of you know. Is it time. I know was asked you know should fans wonder. If there's going to be a rebuild you know we use that word. The cubs the astros certain teams. They did a complete tear down lose draft then supplements from frigid parts. You have a team like the cardinals who has been in contention and tried to compete every year for the last however many years decades and you know now do have i believe some some promising Prospects from not just the pitching but a position side but certainly some some areas. They need to strengthen you've got team like the reds who's kind of done a little bit of both like they've sold pieces. They've added pieces team. Like the brewers just kind of done a little bit been of both. They've been running a trade show up there. It's a swap meet right. But like trading away like great players like they traded away jay bruce and they traded away rolled is chapman is and then they started trading for all these guys. So how would you describe kind of the landscape of the division right now especially as we head into an off season with a lot of unknowns is it wide open does that affect or does the cubs plans or the brewers plans perhaps affect how the cardinals look at the landscape of things. Do you think. I just think that twenty twenty while there was some good and some bad for each team. I don't know how you really can assess it so to me. Teams are looking ahead not really sure if what they saw either a bad performance in front in a season from a guy or a good is real and also not knowing financially. What happens in the future. And i think the difference with the cardinals is and they take some heat for it because cardinals always say they don't think just about next year when their fans want him to go all in to win which i understand and i don't necessarily disagree with that sentiment but they're always thinking about the future so to me that's why we haven't seen a rebuilt and we're the cardinals are right now. They need offense but they have pitching even with the injuries that they've had they have pitching. They have defense. What they need is offense. If you have two thirds of you know of the recipe. You're not going to tear down. And i think that's why we haven't seen the cardinals have to do that because they're always planning for next year but two three four years down the road we see him. Make move sometimes just to restock the miners because they think they need an additional pitching prospect. Because the right because they realize as that rotation goes through they might hit a soft spot at some point. So you know to me. I'm glad i don't have to run a majorly ballclub. What we saw you know from from From some of the guys this year. Is it an anomaly. Because i'm talking about a bad performance. Because they were locked down or had covert and they didn't respond. You don't really know what you're looking at. How much slack do you give a guy who had an off year last year. I do know this based on everything. You can't change my mind about it. The one certainty for the cardinals is they need more often. And ed been criticized for obviously player evaluation and any team like i. I did a couple of weeks ago. On the show with dan where i i made a list of every team in the national league central and since two thousand fifteen the players that they have lost via either trading them away or letting them walk the fridge and you could create a couple of all star teams. You know. this isn't just the cardinals. But it's an interesting point and theo epstein. When asked about this. I believe yesterday talking to the media. And this is from Hannah kaiser from yahoo sports She said was interested in baseball job. That allows him to help address some of the more existential threats to the game so i asked him what he thinks. Those are and listen to this and give me a response. The oh says it's the greatest game in the world but there are some threats to it because of the way the game is evolving and i take some responsibility for that because the executives like me who spent a lotta time using analytics and other measures to try to optimize individual and team performance have unwitted have unwittingly had a negative impact on the aesthetic value of the game and the entertainment value of the game. I mean clearly. You know the strikeout rates a little bit out of control. We need to find a way to get more action in the game. Get the ball and play more often allow players to show their athleticism some more and give fans more of what they want. It's gonna the first time i've heard someone who has been at the forefront of this new type of front office say maybe we've gotten a little bit lost in in in the woods here and and maybe i don't wanna misconstrue his comments. Everybody just said we've been a little too focused sometimes on things that are numbers in metrics. Tell us which i think. I think you agree on. Dan agrees because at fox midwest. Like there's a place for everything the more information you have the better but sometimes you just need to realize that there needs to be two sides of the coin i guess the i i look at it as a piece of the puzzle you analytics or a piece. But there's also a human side Human side and and who. This person is as as a an athlete. Showed randy was really damn good every level in the minor leagues. And i don't first off Sorry we went twenty minutes before He who shall not be named was named I understand you know. Every team goes through a cycle where guys they parted company with. They're doing well but a lot have come around now. And the key is the cardinals. Haven't been hitting you know. They have no offense so it underscores so i totally get. Why why people look at that. But i i think as you evaluate talent certainly. The metrics are a key part of it but it was looked at as. It's it's a piece of the puzzle. They're human elements that also impact. How will player will eventually perform given a shot at the big league. Some guys have all the numbers never able to do it. I think there's a human element. And i think one of the biggest problems in major league baseball aside from strikeout rates and everything and I think bauer has said this to one of the things. Mlb hasn't done that. Other leaks have is let their players be the selling point. Let the players be the marketing point. You know howard younger kids going to get involved with by stars. Stars have star power and i don't think baseball puts its product. The key players the best players front and center as much as they should at least as well as other leaks tried to do that. I feel like the nba is is the model for that right and they're so good especially because a lot of the nba's social media driven which. I feel like baseball can be too. It's kind of a shared communal experience. Some people are watching games at night and tweeting about them or whatever but they're so good at getting content but getting their players into the hands in the lives of of their consumers who want their product. and especially. If you want young people. Mike my kids. Eleven he doesn't watch. Tv except cardinal or blues game is on he gets everything off his phone And yeah i think other leagues have done better at mlb as to being at the forefront of that and finding its way into the into the menus of of people is your kid. Play a to k. Yeah he does. He plays Two k. basketball. Yeah he does a little baseball so to say plays a lot of fortnight. Hey you gotta drop in. It's interesting because i feel like the two k. Model and. When i talked i lived in memphis and would go to grizzlies games. And when the and part of this had to do with memphis not having an nba team until you know whatever fifteen years ago but you know the cabs would come to town. You'd see just a ton of lebron. Jerseys lakers had come to town. There'd be a shitload a kobe. Jerseys like in the stands and i feel like the nba. It's model but especially with two k. And with the way the young people connect via their phones taking things almost alicarte. You're almost getting fans of individual players as much as fans of teams. I don't know if that will happen in baseball. Because baseball so parochial and you watch your team every single day you watch you and danny you know every single day all summer but i think with that happens fantasy football. I've got buddies who aren't friends. That are huge. Nfl aren't fr- fans of a team are fans of players into their fantasy teams. And i wonder how that will continue to shape and change the way you know. Sports content is delivered. Here's the thing i like about. Because i'm listening and everything i was thinking. Well what about me. Bring this discussion back to me. So well the thing i like. Hello my baby. The thing i like about. Nba two k. And i play with my kid a little bit. I bet you are very good but we know but you can pick like all time all star Squash him so. I'll i want my kid to know about like my favorite player of all. Time is earl monroe. So i pick him. Pete mayor vich some guys john havlicek. Now there's a hairdresser. You could set your watch. But i want so my kid you know. We'll get all his stores and we play and then he'll ask me about these other players and you know i'm i'm just throwing up. You know i have elgin baylor thrown up three point or whatever and then he'll ask me about him we'll look video or whatever and then he now over the years knows who some of these former. Nba guys. You know that that. I hold in high regard so you know. It's passed along to him. Which i said all along which is what makes saint louis great because kids know who bob gibson is lou brock because their grandfather told their dad and their dad told them. And i don't think that goes on as much in other cities And i think that's what makes saint louis so special and as rightsholder glad i could bring the conversation all the way back. The cardinal baseball show tunes time has no business like show. The nba's great at though and whether it's to k. Or the old games that are out or the programming that they put out. I'm not to namedrop drop Jack flirty pitches for cardinals. He's your guy right. Yeah we were doing. We're just texting back and forth about a. We're drafting All time nba teams in stipulation. Was you had to get one player from each decade starting seventies eighties nineties. Two thousand two thousand ten's and then one player from right now like a sixth man and We put them up on twitter at one point and i think everyone is just kissing jackass in voting for his team. But it's so cool to go through an and you could use a baseball too but especially nba with game has evolved. It's so-called like look at the different pieces and the different eras and look at like you know speaking of bob gibson the bill russell. You know the rules were changed for him. It's just i. I love that. I'm i'm baffled with not to get into the whole. Nba college thing but baffled with people that that don't at least appreciate the nba and just the level of play like because that's obviously where the best college players go. And the fact that there are these different ariza's different guys in these different styles of play that all kind of complement each other. I i i love it the way the game of like that. I just think the athleticism the ucla displayed nba unbelievable. I think the difference with college and this is my awful. Take but just from what i know about basketball. Any coach will tell you their job. Offensively is to try to get. The highest percentage shut. Okay in the nba. Where you now have. Three stars on each team may be too but most right. Everyone has the three star system. You don't need five passes. Your guy can get fifty five percent by going one on one and so i think that sort of changes the way. The game is played compared to college college. You gotta pass five or six times at trying to get that. High percentage shot nba. You have these gifted athletes who could really go one on three and still score or befouled. But i do appreciate the athleticism and i think these guys have played now where you could say. They don't have free throws they. They don't make the outlet. Pass like wes unseld used to. That may be true. But i think the physical gifts of these guys the huge guys that can play point guard now. Unlike anything we handle. All i mean no offense to bob cousy but i watched your video. He's dribbling all right handed through. I don't know down. I don't know if that if that plays. Today i do think there's nba players from the past. Who could play today. I just think the talent level has has gone up and up and up enough and you've got the nba draft tonight. I didn't even know that. Lonzo ball no lamelo ball the third ball who could end up on my chicago bulls. Someone said they would have the worst defensive backcourt in nba history. But that was just a tweet. That i read somewhere. I don't you know it's pretty good. You know i'm an next fan and it's been unrelenting. I mean unrelenting so it almost soured me. I'm from from watching it. But i i'll still turn on a game with my kid last year. They thought they were going to get katie. And zaylon no one. No one wants to go there because they have a track record of being awful got a brutal owner one of the worst makes you so grateful for like build the wet times good job. i'm in chicago. Sorry won't say that. I do think I do think what they need is in the nba. The like the knicks need theo. They need someone to be the property brothers to come in there and revamp that team coming up after the break after conquering curses in baseball could theo epstein beheaded to the big apple but on the hardwood nice. That's next i like that. Also is golf a sport. Of course of course not taking and we'll break down next year's jaguars schedule could they get to eight wins. I just see on twitter like i. you know. I do cargo shorts and pro cargo shirts and do Puffy pictures one of your one of your staunches stance is one hundred percent cargo shorts. Yeah i Do birthdays cardinal birthdays and then season a little news nugget. Here maybe a stat but Mostly cardinal stuff. But i just think just think. Twitter is has become so angry. What's up with the new. Like twitter story thing what. What's up on the t. Have you seen this fleets. That's what twitter. They call it fleet. So they're just copying instagram. And i'm not going to use it. I'm not. I can barely tweet you know. Did you see jack. Dorsey mark zuckerberg in the hearings. Yesterday i did. Someone tweeted that. It looked like a marooned lighthouse keeper and the robot butler that he built to keep them coming. Yeah i i don't really that's twitter's great see. I just think yeah. Twitter has a lot. I just like. Oh it's so negative and if you you can't say anything positive because then the mob will come after you. I tweeted look. I never do politics on their. Because let's face it who wants your. We go wants to hear you know from from a past his prime sideline reporter that suddenly. I have all the answers. Guess what. I don't even know the questions. But i tweeted as divided as we seem. I can't help but think about the fact that we should all be grateful that we live in this country. Something along those lines which isn't part of it's hardly a controversial take and guess what you know and it was like i give up because people are you know killing this country like somehow i'm responsible for for some of the wrongs of the past and i thought to myself. Just let that go. You know if. I if. I always say this like if you think you want a twitter argument you didn't because the other guy thought he won like nobody wins in a twitter argument. There's nothing better than tweeting out like at an accurate cardinals thing. And then the two guys start arguing underneath you fellas right. And then you're in for like you know what i was saying. I want to be tagged in this. I say gentlemen please take it outside. That's what i say. And then sometimes. I'll i'll lawn in the gym short sometimes. I'll tweet some so dumb. That i find amusing that i know others won't i don't care. I'm going to do it anyway. Well i can't wait to You know start team backup. Whenever we can watch sports again and tag-team benoa as bad as his and flee buddy. We're not. we're not just tweeting. We're fleeting. I'm not i'm not i'm not. We might have to send out our first fleet. I don't even know what it is. But i do think as as terrible it is right now on a lot of people are going through the worst medications coming and i am hopeful that at some point we can all get through this together and be back or at least close. There's probably a lot of things we learned along but at least get close to how we normally are. I think it's perfectly said yet. Some clown will still find a way to yell at you for that completely optimistic and necessary opinion. Jeff you just can't just can't worry about that. I guess jim hayes the cat on fox where you can watch him fleet and watch him tweet but mostly fleet thanks buddy. Thanks for having me in. Regain joins us. We'll talk a little. Rsm classic our guy who helps us fill out our golf dfs lineups and make some pics. Every week joins us next on the chris. Rabi show on scoops with de amac dot com sh- nooks rewards one more reason to love sh- nukes get the app that gets you. Sh- nooks rewards the chinooks rewards app allows you earn points every time you shop for money off your next purchase but there's so much more in the app to simplify shopping. For instance you can get exclusive digital savings including over one hundred new digital coupons every week. 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The masters played well at the masters last week and can coming off of that tournament as you said we are Into the swing season. And it's great to see you know. Number of guys in a number of guys who i think are interesting case studies because we can talk about weather. They will have a hangover themselves from augusta whether they will build on what they did last week whether they will rebound of a chip on their shoulder after smut. Finish business last week or all the above. Yeah there's there's so many great storylines guys that obviously you got close last week but You know might have been in contention for their first major For the first time in their career ak like a in webb simpson headlines. This yielders through so many great storylines and then also you know the full display of how deep the pga tour is and how good the young players are. All those guys are in this field too. So i it should be really fun. Really cool when it comes to form and as we look at the field this week. Do you factor last week at augusta. Any differently than you would any other typical tournament either. Positively negatively Just because of the challenge that augusta is despite the conditions just a different type of tournament and obviously an incredible incredible field. How does last week factor into how you evaluate guys performances. Yeah so i'm a big quantitative guy right. I like the numbers. I like to be able to look at it on a spreadsheet and say what the trans now obvious see. I know for some of these guys for grueling days at augusta national or two i guess depending on how long how long you lasted could be troublesome it could be a negative sunjay. M is the is the perfect use case for this. Here's a guy who's young who plays a lot of golf. But that was his first time probably feeling like he was really in a major championship. Finished second how much does that take out of him. for me chris. I don't usually way it. Because i think it's going to be different for each and every golfer in this field right sunjay and might feel revitalized by finding himself near the top of the leaderboard in a major championship. But now he thinks he's a world beater But dylan for telling might be like. Oh my gosh i'm exhausted. That took everything out of me. This week's going to be difficult and without them telling us it's going to be really difficult to try to determine for each player in the field of how they're actually handling those four rounds last week do you view a missed cut last week any differently. Whether it's tyrel hatton someone like chasing coke. Kevin kisner guys. That just missed the cut. Do you hold that against them or not. Necessarily i. i usually don't especially the you know the heart of the course the deeper the field i usually don't i'm much more apt to forgive him. Forget you know what i mean like. If you missed the cut in a major championship it happens. There's a lot going on. It's a weird week also For the first time ever we can grind some. We can grind some film this week. Chris you know we can go back and we can watch every one terrel hatton shots last week and see what went wrong and if it if it was just a missed putts or if it was you know sprang it all over the place Usually we don't get the benefit like maybe football guys zoo where they have the all twenty two view in every place on last week we actually do have every shot so we can go look and see how they played and steve. That scott was a big deal or not by the way that was unbelievable. And i'm not sure it can be overstated. How incredible the masters app is what they've done over the last few years. I know the criticism for so long. Was that you know. Espn's coverage when espn took over the first couple of days. I don't know what was it. Maybe a decade ago like it didn't start until one or two o'clock in the afternoon and even though the television coverage although this year with the delays and stuff being pushed back it was pretty much around the clock even the television coverage still is in that vein. You can watch every shot of every single golfer on the course. It's unbelievable that. I don't think there's anything in sports to compare to it. It's amazing it's amazing because it's so different than what we get on a regular basis and i'm a firm believer that that this is where we're headed you know. They tried to do this at the players championship last year before that event was cancelled after one round. And like i just firmly believe this is where we're going. I think it's probably gonna take awhile to get there but there is. There's a thirst for this. There is a demand for this. There's a market for being able to see every single shot and once the logistics figured out in the cost of it is because that's really the big thing you know gusts addtional. Money is no object and it's one course one event once a year that they have to worry about for this to be rolled out on a event by event basis. You have to get buy in from all every course and you know every every state that you go to and and the pga tour do this. You know in full full spectrum so it's a difficult task i understand it. I think it's where we're headed. But i wish it would happen a bit faster. Yeah and even that can happen. Can we get rick game and damn shot link on every course people okay. This is my biggest thing. Could you imagine. Imagine this. Chris we say okay. Tom brady threw thirty five touchdowns last year. But hold on. I don't have stats for these four games. Would you imagine take word. That's the equivalent of what we get on the pga tour they don't have shuttling data for like you know i don't want to twenty five percent called fifteen percent of the events. It's mind boggling. And i can spend an hour on my soapbox about well with that being said giving opportunity but will also tied into the sm two courses and we're going to see Each of the courses thursday. Friday right and then we'll see the same track over the weekend. I heard you on the first cut podcast earlier this week with gregg point out that there will be some guys play the same course. Three days in a row there will be only one of the courses with shot link a little bit different but we'll get to see a couple of tracks we'll get c. Couple of tracks at a lot of the guys in the field are familiar with. Because they're seond boys. Oh that's certainly true. There is the mafia. There is a contingent of professional golfers from this area. We're always playing here for this home game but yeah the two course things interesting. It's a similar model. What they're gonna do this week to what they do when the tour comes here to southern california for torrey pines they use both the north and the south course this week and they're gonna use the seaside course and the plantation course now. The seaside course will be the host course so. Each golfer will play the seaside in the plantation. Either thursday or friday. Whichever one they played thursday they'll play the opposite on friday. And then they'll make the cut and you'll go to the seaside course for the final two rounds so three total rounds at seaside one at plantation. And they're kinda wanna say they're different. The very short courses but plantation is a par seventy two. That is usually the much easier course. Now you can get some weather in the seaside courses of course by the c. You can get some wind. Things can change here but generally speaking don't freak out. If you're offers are only three. Under at the seaside course on thursday there are gonna be licking their jobs to get over to the plantation course and match everything up. So don't don't fret. Let two rounds played out to see where you guys are. Actually in the standings of this tournament regain is with us. Rick run good dot com. That's the website run. Good dot com. That's where you go and get set for the rsm this weekend. At sea island webb simpson is at the top of the board. He's about eight and a half to one. I've seen shortest odds and eleven thousand two hundred dollars the highest draft king salary. What do you make of web coming off. A masters where he looked really good at times and again like you alluded to a bit shorter course. It probably suits Is all around game as as well as anyone in the field rick. Certainly this price. The his odds are are well deserved. You know even at augusta national last week playing longer than it usually does play wet and soggy webb simpson fines away to finish inside the top ten. It's a testament to how far his game has come and how good he is no matter the course we used to only play webb simpson for five times. A year at courses that fit the mold for him No longer you can play him anywhere but this one just does happen to fit. If it's really good. In fact he's had so many close calls here finished runner up in last year. He finished third year before he hasn't won this event. But he's been all over the top of the leaderboard. He is clearly the best player in this field. And i rarely do this. I rarely says happy to pay full price on webb simpson. Yes full price and also you project him on the cheat sheet at rick run good dot com to be owned right now by about thirty percent but with a guy who you feel is potentially head and shoulders above the field or at least has a better chance. If not as good a chance of winning as any single guy in this field do you mind that ownership projection or do you not pay attention to it because of of what you expect from web. So i don't care about the ownership for one single golfer When you start putting six together in a lineup now i start to care a lot more. So if i if i put webb simpson in my lineup and i think that thirty percent of my closest friends are also going to be doing it. i can differentiate in other places right. I don't have to take the sixth most popular golfers in kind of make the past victory for myself. So incredibly narrow. I can take web. And then when i get further down into you know maybe the eight thousand seven thousand seven thousand dollar range. That's where i can differentiate myself. So i'm never gonna let one single golfer dictate my decision making i'm going to let his projected ownership kind of dictate my six offers as a whole all right. So let's say that we like web give us an idea of maybe how you start to go down that path. A couple of is then that you like a little bit further down the board and an idea of how and why you're building your roster the way that you are yes so let's let's stick with this web model. So we're going to have to differentiate a little bit so the next natural landing spot. Probably if you pay the full eleven thousand. Two hundred is somewhere in the low eight. That's probably your second man in so popular options in that range or guys that i really like like doc redmond who i think is is is very much underpriced this week but we need to differentiate a little bit. So how about ian poulter in pollsters eighty three hundred dollars i project him to be about half of the ownership. That doc redman is is. These are two really short. Courses one's a par seventy seven thousand yards the other ones seventy two seven thousand yards. That's right. oh pollsters alley and then a lotta times. You've got to be probably at least twenty under par to win. Missing the average score under par. The last five years is nineteen point. Six strokes under par. You're gonna make a lot of birdies and seen pulse or ride that hot putter so many times over the course of his career now. I'm starting now get two guys in my lineup. i've got web. i've got poulter. i have a purpose. I've two guys that i think are gonna fit this and i've already fixed the situation about web being one of the most popular golfers on the slate. Yeah poulter not just the putter. That's how he's in fantastic form right now. Yeah you know what. he's he's sneaky. Good right twelve at twelve th cj cup. Top twenty five at the masters. And i'm not sure. I would've known that right. If it wasn't it wasn't in the spreadsheet if it wasn't on the cheat sheet because we don't we haven't seen a lot of him but yet he has been playing well and those are two really eat fields that he's that he's popping up all so if we start with web and poulter maybe give us one value. Play a guy towards the bottom of the board rick that you like as we're building our rosters also maybe an under the radar. Pick if you have one from an odd standpoint that you think could make a little noise if web's the odds on favorite and we give him a very very healthy shot of winning this thing of win expectancy if you're gonna throw a dart. Is there anyone from an odd stamp point that you throw a dart at. Yeah so i'll give you a couple of here so one from the from the bedding side. So danny mccarthy eighty five to one i. I'm just so sold on the trajectory of danny mccarthy game right now he is he is already the best butter in the world. I'm i'm not kidding he's lead. He's led the field of the tour in strokes gain putting each of the last two years. The only only two years he's been on the tour he's a phenomenal putter but the rest of his game is approach game as ball striking was objectively. Pretty bad now. He got a new coach about nine starts ago at the three m open and it's been a completely different version of danny. Mccarthy is slightly better than tour average now on his approaches. Which doesn't sound great. Chris but when you were one of the worst guys and now you're slightly better than average now you can match that with being the best putter on tour. It goes a long way. I think he is absolutely trending towards victory. And if you really need like a value option for the f. d. f. s. purposes David hearn is kind of interesting. The canadian Coming off of a missed cut at houston but his start before that was an eighth place. Finish up bermuda. He has a fourteenth place. Finish at safeway. That's still this season. So he's popped up a couple of times on the first page of the leaderboard this season. He's sixty six hundred dollars and his last four starts in thailand. He went thirtieth last year. Fifteenth seventeenth ninth. I mean you're talking about a guy if you just gave me that average finish right now. Twenty twentieth something at sixty six hundred dollars and you offered it to me right now. I would run all the way to the bank with that and be absolutely thrilled with it. I love it. Let's ride with david. Hearn have run good dot com. Rick a ramp up with this. We've talked so much about the schedule. And for so long we were having tournament after tournament. We were looking ahead towards the master's we were getting set for an unprecedented masters. Now the masters will be the next major but as you mentioned we've got some interesting fields and we'll have a little bit more play before we actually wraparound to twenty twenty one and that will start with dustin johnson as i guess he will make his way. What down to my koba next week. We've got some again intriguing. I think field potential here over the next couple of weeks as we Make our way towards the new year. I'm excited man. I'm more excited than i would any other year. Dj might be four to one next week. Like obviously the. The field does not have to be set until friday the week before so we won't know until this friday who's actually in the field with dustin johnson has already committed so we expect him to show up whole be. They're coming off of a historic masters. I can't imagine what is price is going to be. Or what is odds are going to be interesting to see how that turns out. And then you're going to get like you get the shortest off season in sports chris. It's like three weeks three weeks off. And then we roll right into tournament of champions. The sony will be there be into farmers insurance open season and will be at the waste management. And just like before you know it. We're gonna have all these great events we we've been so You know fortunate with the return of golf that we ought with basically field being the strongest field. It's ever had. It's just an unbelievable run of and now. I don't think it's gonna stop anytime soon. Yeah i hope not. And i guess the question will be what happens next year especially with fans what happens as we try to return to a little bit more normal but at least dustin and maybe pauline are making their way down to playa del carmen. They keep the party rolling next week. And you bet your ass. We'll be breaking down the makoba a week from today with rick game and rick run. Good dot com is the website. Rick run good dot com. Check out the cheat sheet for all the information. Check out the previews. you've got to be looking your chops to rick at at some of these tournaments some of these fields coming up. Because you've got to feel like from a quantitative standpoint you've got an edge I know the master's is one thing. When you've got as much data that you can aggregate but you know especially moving forward if there's you know shout out to david hearn guys like that that we can take advantage of. You've gotta be excited of Everything that's up at run good dot com and and how. It's going to help us the next few weeks. There are certainly weeks. I'm excited about every major. You know the players championship. These marquee events are louis fund with the ones that tends to return. The most dollars are the fields that have a lot of names that people don't know if you're if you're paying close attention if you have the data if you're following along and you know these golfers you at a significant advantage so yes these these are the ones. I certainly do my chops at and and get super excited about from a financial standpoint rick game at checkout rick run good dot com sign up and we can all get excited from a financial standpoint. Appreciated man enjoy the weekend. And we'll talk to you before dustin and pulling ahead south next week thanks brother love it. Thanks chris ryan kelly. The home loan expert is one of the great sponsors of the program and scoops with danny mac dot com and right now is a perfect time to learn about a home loan refinance. You hear the word all the time but maybe you don't even know what you're doing essentially you're redoing your loan so in terms of your first mortgage your retooling your loan. The home loan expert is paying off your current loan and giving you a brand new loan. You can decide the term thirty years you can go shorter. Give them a call. Look at your current mortgage and ask the home. Loan expert ryan kelly. 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The Theo Epstein Era comes to an end

Cubs Weekly Podcast

33:26 min | 7 months ago

The Theo Epstein Era comes to an end

"I hey welcome back to the weekly podcast by wintrust proud legacy partner of the chicago cubs an exclusive home to cubs checking online today at wintrust dot com slash cuts. Now of course unless you've been living under a rock the news that came down and approximately eleven o'clock eastern time on tuesday that the epstein has stepped down as the president of baseball operations for the chicago cubs at effectively opens the door for jed hoyer who is the new president of baseball ops to fill said roland. Joining me on the podcast. Today it'll be bruce. Levine are marquee sports network contributor and the voice of the chicago cubs lancaster out. Len when you first heard the news. We knew that there were some rumblings and could be foregone conclusion. But what was your initial reaction whenever you hear news like this and it's momentous news that really shut the baseball world there is shock no question about it coal but as you go back now and you ponder what he said in his news conference following the cubs exit from the postseason He was hinting at this being a real possibility. We knew he had a ten year plan in mind. We knew that he had been talking to the chairman. Tom ricketts about a transition. We knew the jed hoyer was most likely to be his successor as the cubs president of baseball operations and we knew that the latest that that would probably occur would be october or november of twenty twenty one but i have to believe that this pandemic shortened very challenging twenty twenty season a very uncertain winter coming up for the chicago cubs and the ball club in general being at a transition point. It was obvious. Theo wanted to allow jed to make a lot of what i believe will be very big decisions coming up over the next few months so all in all after listening to theo today described his emotions and thoughts. I don't think it's a very big surprise. And in fact this plan had probably been in place now for months for my perspective. Obviously i agree with len here on on a lot of different levels. First of all i today. I saw a stress free video epstein for the first time since he took this job over on october twenty. First of two thousand and eleven. You can see it in his face. You can see it. In his expressions you can see it in his gratitude. Comrades backed down through the organization or the success came here and one thing that really resonates very strongly with me is that there's no way that anybody can say he was pushed out of this job and that the ricketts family rejected what theo was doing now and what the organization was doing because jed hoyer is the new president so from that perspective of he has to feel very good about the fact that there will be continuing work going on that he put in place here and the people that he put in place. We'll be doing all of that hard work to try to win the next world championship here with the chicago cubs so from that. I think there's a lot of contentedness about the epstein going out the door a winner and a guy that wasn't pushed but rather knew that when you ahead of time was time for him to lead so essentially the breaking up the band theo epstein in jed hoyer. They've been in lockstep together for quite some time now with the chicago cubs just days apart when they were hired. It's been nine years in the making. And now jed hoyer of course is the new president of baseball operations for the chicago cubs but Let's get the feeling from the man himself. The former president of baseball operations for the chicago cubs in theory. I don't know what to call you. Nowadays i guess it's just the epsteins not when it came to you making the decision to step away as the president of baseball ops for the chicago cubs. How did you and tom. Marie jack and drew more importantly come to that decision. You know. i've always had this belief that i should be around in any one job for about ten years and because already been talking to tom about a possible transition and he was just wonderful dealing with it over the last couple of years trying to pick a time in a manner that would be best for the cubs and also good for me and you know this summer when when kovic hit and then it became clear that we were gonna be dealing with a lot of long term decisions as an organization decisions that would have consequences and impacts. That would last many years. It just started to become clear that the right thing to do would be to turn things over to jed and let him since he's invested here for a long time going to be here for a long time in more than ready. Let him take the reins and as a family. We'd already started started to come to terms with transition and looking forward to that freedom of a little bit more family time and having the option to try a lot of different things together as a family so it was tough to leave because this is such a special place and the experiences and the people have made such an impact on me and things that i'll cherish forever in any anytime you move on from that it it can be you know. Create some sadness but that's just because it was such a such a rewarding time and the people are so meaningful like i. I know this is the right call. Look forward and excited about the future. Both the cubs in my own covering you for the nine years intensely and also peripherally other part of your career. The one thing. I used to kid you about and you kinda chide away from it was your killer instinct and the fact that you never would accept defeat and i compared you to lombardy at one time and you really fact away from that but the reality that i never saw you waver once as far as your passion your commitment that has to be a testament to you and something that you're pretty proud of but going out Is there any one that you wish you luck. The cubs a little bit stronger at or better at leaving this job on the twenty. I appreciate you meant you. Bring up that issue competitiveness. Some s really important in this game. That's what i love about. Baseball is the togetherness the fact that everything we do it's not as an individual. It's as a collaboration with the whole front office the entire organization. And then the competitiveness the fact that we get daily referendum on how. Well we're doing in the standings so we did accomplish. Our goals are to to build a foundation for sustained. Success would get us in the playoffs on a regular basis. You we've been in the postseason five of the last six years and then the other goal together and overtime to to build a team that went to world championship. I've obviously we've done that but yet you know looking back things. I wish had gone differently. Clearly i wish that we would have performed. Better down the stretch in the postseason. The last the last three seasons. I thought it was a calling card for group to really play play well and dominate when our backs were against the wall. We did it in fifteen sixteen seventeen to a large extent and then that hasn't been the case the last three years so we have to own that too and i wish i had done a better job putting us in a position where we could have played our best baseball in october. The oh congratulations It's a bittersweet day. But i'm very happy for you professionally and personally and Just thanks for nine years. I know it's all about winning and losing and you know when you win. it's great. It's amazing when you lose. It's the worst thing in the world but a big part of what you've done over the basically the entirety of your adult life is signed players make trades. Can you talk about the adrenaline rush. You get from making a big move knowing that you're not going to know the answer to the question maybe for a few weeks or maybe a year or two but when you hang up that phone and you've made a big blockbuster four for four trade or a three team deal we don't know if you're ever gonna make that kind of move ever again the rest of your life. Can you let a fan know what it's like to make a move like that in your position. Sure yeah well. I certainly hope. I'll be in a position to make those kinds of decisions again. Going forward and some in some form or another but yet it's special and i think There is a big rush of adrenaline. There is a tremendous amount of responsibility. And there's more than anything an embrace of the unknown right because you can. You can have the world's greatest process and look at the best information and analyze it. The best way of the best possible scouts no matter what in some in some fashion. You're betting on future human performance and because of that there's gonna be a broad range of possible outcomes. There's there's going to be randomness involved. You're not necessarily going to get the result. You deserve for better for worse so all you can do guarantee the excellence of the process. You can't always guarantee the excellence of the result. And because of that. I think the greatest reward is really the work to get up to the point of making the deal. The countless people involved in long journeys to see players all the experiences that put them in a position to make a grad of great evaluation the research and development that we do come up with breakthroughs on a better way to analyze the player's performance or attributes the understanding of where we are as an organization. And how the fit might work with that player going forward and you know the resources that the business side has provided for us to to be able to go out and sign the john lesser ben zobrist and then the ultimate culmination of that with the decision. Knowing you're the one making that final call and the impact on on the hopes and dreams of so many ultimately win a world series. It's a it's a great responsibility had just throw myself into the process and don't try not to get too much of my ego wrapped up in it and look at it. More as organizational process based approach now failed that ten year threshold has seemingly bent your line of demarcation when it comes to you and other positions you've held as well as cubs position. Now you said you would like your third chapter in baseball to be somewhere down the road but when it comes to another chapter potentially a first chapter we see that happening in another sport is it on television is it may be in major league baseball front office. What's next for you yet. I'm open to all kinds of ideas. I know clearly. I wanna spend more time with my family. And i wanna try a number of different things. I think you know having clocked in for work at major ballparks. For the last twenty nine summers it'll be liberating to have some freedom to to embrace different pursuits. But i i wanna stay connected to the game. I'd love to find a way to give back to the game. Serve the game in some form or another. If that takes the form of being part of the conversation on some industry issues or trying to help solve some problems we face as an industry. That'd be great but Yeah i'm gonna dive into some other areas to work with nonprofits that i've been affiliated with and open to work outside of baseball but i'll the game always be part of. I am going to stray too too far away from it. You know. Theo you of all people in baseball always said never say never there are no untouchables and taking it to the next level my good friend. Vito corleone always said we can make him an offer he can't refuse. Is there an offer that you can't refuse out there if a philadelphia phillies owner or somebody of that. Nature came to you with the ultimate deal. Would you sit down with your wife and two sons and try to digest that and move forward more quickly than you might anticipate right now. I can tell you absolutely that is that is not the plan but life is funny. I i'll have more time to answer the phone. And if it rains i'm going to answer. But there are certain elements of life besides running team twenty four seven that i've been looking forward to my family's been looking forward to so it would have to be something that just blew us away and made sense for us in ways that certainly transcend just like money or opportunity. You would have to make sense as a lifestyle too and we're gonna take it as it comes rocking russian anything. Chicago's our home now for the for the near future at least and Lucky to have the support of great wife and two great sons and we're looking forward to a future together not exactly sure where it's going to lead the all. Wanna take the baseball out of it asking more of a cultural question and you kinda hit on a chicago is your home. Your kids have grown up here. You have established some very deep roots in terms of the community with your foundation And there are a lot of interesting parallels between boston and chicago some kind of bouncing all over the place. But i remember jason kendall one said and he spent like three months he said every player should be a cub at least one time in his career. Can you just speak to the bigger cultural aspects of cubs baseball and living in chicago. And kind of paralleling. What you had in boston. Yeah it is really different here. I mean the cubs are such a special place. I think the best way to describe it as that. The lines are blurred between fans players front office. Everyone associated with the team in ways. That just don't happen elsewhere. It's a collective journey. It's a huge part of what it means to to live in chicago. Part of the rhythm of the springtime summertime the fall. It connects families that connects groups of friends is just so intertwined in the in the fabric of chicago. It's truly special. There's an intimacy involved in the relationship between the fans and the team and the players. That is just priceless and makes it so unique. Now they're elements of that with the red sox too. I think if i had to contrast i'd say the biggest difference between the boston red sox experience in the cubs experiences just probably reflects the different sensibilities and the different parts of the country. You know boston. And i say this. Because i grew up there. But it's get calvin est roots and there's sort of a natural scepticism or cynicism pessimism so growing up going to games there. You'd have a three run lead but if the reliever came in the seventh and eighth for the red sox and through ball one. You'd hear this like his. Go through the crowd ball to forget about it. The sky was falling and and with the cubs who was different. Like even even the lean times or even when you're losing or even the relievers coming in throws eighth straight balls. They're still under the sun having a great time at wrigley enjoying themselves. Isn't there's a buzz to the crowd and I think that just you know. Kind of reflects the midwestern sensibility. A little bit about a little bit that the outcome wasn't the most important thing kind of the experience and sharing it with people was and in boston like we were really outcome based and determine if so it's great i am more boston. Chicago said grew up there. But i appreciate both sensibilities and has been good for me to to be able to kick back and enjoy the experience. Even on the outcomes aren't always great and that made it so much more rewarding when we did win here to be able to reward the fans who were so patient for so long now as we stroll down the primrose path of your nine years at the helm for chicago cubs. Was there ever a time where you doubted where you looked around and said during these lean years said you know what i don't know if i'll be able to turn this franchise around or were you always confident in what you were able to bring the table incompetent in yourself. You know there were a couple of moments when we all looked at each other. You know the inner circle in baseball operations when you know a player that we had hoped to trade to get some key young players. Back as part of the part of the rebuild if that player got hurt and we weren't able to trade them or a deal fell through where all the rule changes restricting the ability to go out and acquire young players that that happened right as we got here. There are some times we look at the board and we say like yeah great we. We drafted chris. Bryan redrafted kyle schwab traded for for rizzo traded for hendrix and area. But there's not enough drafts. there's not enough trade deadline's. Where are we going to acquire all the talent that we need to fill out a championship. Roster it's a long way from just acquiring a few key young players championship roster and we knew we needed to do it quickly. We didn't want a long drawn out process and we're frustrated by the limits on being transactional not enough opportunities to make trades not enough ability to spend in the draft not enough ability to be aggressive internationally and so there are some moments we look at each other and say wow just about everything asked to go right for us to start winning within a couple of years here a few years and we as an organization we had a pretty pretty high hit rate at the time with all those moves we made and it came together allowed us to start being competitive and fifteen but there are some moments we looked at each other and just didn't think it'd be able to happen quickly enough. What has been being chicago in. Open like for you and your family. And what has been the greatest feeling about your son's growing up in the mid west in a great city like chicago. yeah. I say being chicago in for me. I can't think of another city where i'd be able to to walk to and from work the way i do and i'll give you a good example like after batting practice for night. Games is usually about an hour of dead time and you know in any other city. Probably just have to sit on my desk and return emails or something and here soon as batting practice is over. I could walk home with my wife and two sons. Be part of the start of the bedtime routine and connect for the day and then walk back and Get into my seat. Right in time i pattern feel the you know the the buzz around the ballpark in the excitement of forty thousand fans getting ready for for cubs baseball wrigley field. So that's pretty special. Always be grateful to have had that experience here in chicago and the best part for my son's has been you know getting a getting a drop washing games or big field Singing the seventh inning. Stretch my youngest expecting every pitch to result in the foul ball that lands gently in his lap My oldest sitting next to me for game. Seven of the world series in cleveland and me get new experience that through his eyes and then both boys yet. It'd be part of the parade and yeah. They're chicago ins. They loved the city. They love the cubs. And it's made it even more meaningful having my family by my side going through this journey for sure we gotta go back to that night. You just mentioned game seven. I often ask fans. Would you rather have had the cubs win thirteen to one and maybe score seven in the first inning and put your feet up a crack open a beverage and everything is good or to have it play out exactly the way it did for me. I would not take it back. I think it was perfectly poetic. You can write a book about that night alone. I'm guessing you wouldn't have said this necessarily in the eighth inning. But can you say now that played out exactly the way it should have. Yes i would not have said that. Took me a while to overcome everything. We all went through that night. But absolutely because i think we all can rely on that night in some form or another Understanding that even when things look like they're falling apart there's still there's still Some hope if you If you've put in the work And you're prepared and you're connected. I'll never forget to me. The most memorable part of that night was during the rain. Delay running down to the clubhouse because had to meet with the commissioner with the indians about the rain situation and getting a glimpse of our players altogether connected in the weight room instead of sitting out their lockers as individuals. They came together as a group because they had put the work in the bond and connect and they knew they needed to be there for each other. When they're out there moment of greatest vulnerability and they were. They picked each other up. They cried together. They support each other and they they talked about going out and winning that game for one another and they took the field without kennesaw solidarity and determination and like seventeen months later. they Got the single the tag up and and the double to to give us a lead and ultimately win the world series so That's something. I'll never forget that when when things look really really bleak not to focus on what is what is seemingly being taken away from you but instead to rely on the people who are important in your life the connections that you have and Face that adversity together. And when you do that it's amazing what you can overcome the. Oh thanks so much for the time first. Foremost for meteo. Thanks so much for the memories. Appreciate it thank you guys. Look forward to seeing you at the ballpark. Thanks once again to theo epstein for taking time out of his busy schedules a successful ron for the cubs under theo epstein. We all remember two thousand sixteen. That was the first world series title for the franchise since nineteen o eight bringing that one hundred eight year curse to a close the the actually also oversaw five postseason teams including three. That went on to win the division. The national league. Central some bruce. We just gave the rundown of all theo's accomplishments during his nine years on the north side. And when you think of that lasting impression his legacy in the second city what will it be winning and winning the world series making the chicago cubs into a world champion for the first time in one hundred and eight years but also changing the mentality of hoping to win into expecting to win. And you see that among the fans you see that among the organization now even transcending into the jed era the idea that chicago cubs expect to win. Now they don't hope to win and that is the legacy that he has both here in chicago and boston. And we'll take into the hall of fame some day as being that accomplished executive. Of course bruce you're exactly right ultimately it's about onfield success and winning the world series and without that and that's kind of the quantitative success for theo in chicago but i want to also talk about the qualitative success of theo. He's an executive. Unlike any we've been around and may ever see again field accountability. The ability to make unpopular moves that he knew would help the franchise firing ricky renteria after just one year knowing that joe madden was available to manage the club in two thousand fifteen. He acquired a role chapman who had been suspended earlier. That season for an off field incident chapman would ultimately be the closer routine. That won the world series. The way he very deftly handled the addison russell a situation not only. Did he acknowledge how difficult those situations were. But he also wanted to make things better as a result of the publicity of those incidents the way he was with the media I know bruce can can attest to this. I always felt like. I learned something new about baseball or leadership everytime theo epstein spent a half hour Speaking to the local media. That's a very rare thing to have and being around theo behind the curtain and knowing how much time do you need just go speak to the fans for three or four minutes and we're good twenty five minutes later the entire crowd was that's that's the own a nutshell he always under promised over delivered as you take a look at what the was able to bring to. The chicago cubs just a world series title in two thousand sixteen. He was a great executive but even more importantly he's a great person. Yeah he's a pretty good guitar player to have had the chance to to be on stage and backstage with him a few times. And maybe the smartest person i've ever been around as we said earlier in the show. I think there's a lot of self awareness there and you know i'm just thinking about when he got hired because you know it's all about me right so often you say you don't quite appreciate something great until it's gone. I think i speak for a lot of cubs fans. I think they knew. And theo god here just how special an executive he was. He said he wanted to win. The world series within five years. He accomplished that goal. Bruce said earlier in the show he will be in the hall of fame. There's no question about it. And he'll go down as one of the great executives in the history of the sport. He's forty six years old guys. He's got a few more chapters to right and as a bystander. I'm very curious to see what he has in store next. The intensity and tenacity of theo epstein is something. I'll always remember because he was aggressive from day. One all the way through today when he resigned as president of the chicago cubs effective november twentieth. And that he'll bring with him everywhere. He goes whether it's in politics whether it's sports whether it's lessons to his children whether conversations with his wife he is totally in the moment and always has been and that i think is gonna be the challenge for the organisation. Moving forward is to have that still that type of feeling that you know. Winning is great. Winning is what we do once we win. The next thing we need to do is win again and that is something that i think maybe missed but i know that jed hoyer and the people up behind are going to pick that ball up and try to run with it. That's their challenge. Because nobody has done that. Better than theo epstein. Both in boston and here. Well like len said selfishly. I've been lucky enough to be able to work alongside. Theo in some capacity when i was in boston and now with the chicago cubs what he's been able to do for both franchises to be able to pretty much exercise. Both of those curses and get rid of those demons and keep them at arm's length and make the chicago cubs as well as the boston. Red sox perennial winners. Will that certainly a feather in his cap. And when you look at jed hoyer he's been with the cubs since twenty eleven. He's an expert in his field. So when it comes to expectation surrounding jed we hope to see for well typically when you have a successor like this. It would be an assistant who had never run an organization. This will actually be the third baseball department. Jed hoyer has run. Remember at one time when theo had stepped aside in boston for that. One off season and ben sherrington where the coat general manager at the time and then in san diego. He ran of that department as well. I think he's a very worthy successor. As theo said earlier today he is his own person. He has his ideas of how an organization should be run. But it speaks very highly of jed that the i think the did when he got here was. He wrestled him away from san diego. Gotten no jed very well. And i think a lot of organizations would be thrilled to have him as their team president. Well getting to know jeddah. Voyeur happened instantly. After theo epstein was named president of baseball operations back in two thousand and eleven. I asked or get together with jed and he said yes sure. Let's have lunch. And within two days we sat down at sluggers and had lunch for two hours. Just getting to know each other. He has an easy way with people. This communication skills are great. He's a perpetually happy guy that puts out a lot of positive energy while theo hit his real personality a little bit because it's different than Jets jet is a guy that has tremendous capacity for talking and dealing with people on a daily basis and he was used in that capacity to a great degree. I feel with a lot of success and going on his own way. I think he will be doing the same thing with just a little bit more freedom reporting to only mr ricketts from here on out bruce as we look forward to the next season. What's going to be in store for. Jed hoyer because we know that there are some big time names that have some big time features that may not involve chicago cubs. Well coal the doors wide open now for jed hoyer to make some big moves and to look toward the future Certainly the cubs one win every year. But it's incumbent upon him to identify with mr ricketts who the players are that they're going to sign and if they can't sign them trade them and i really don't think it matters whether it's buyers bryant rizzo or schwarzer it's incumbent upon them to add to that young group that's coming up from the minor leagues the davis's the fires. The people like that marquez. Who will be the part of chicago future. And if you need to. And i think they may trade some of these great all-star veterans or two or three young players to add to a new mix of young bulls for david. Ross to manage going forward. And that's the charge. I think that toyota has to face right now. Yes they'd like to win this year but rebuilding that farm system through trades. Pretty much like they did back in two thousand twelve thirteen and fourteen is what they must do to be able to be a championship caliber team again over the next two or three years. A couple of things to add to what bruce said. They're coming off a division title. I think everyone agrees. Probably one big move needs to be made just to kind of change. The dynamic potentially other at least to a rotation spots that should be available along those lines advert ally. Remember that name. He could be very key. Guy had to really good appearances to end the regular season and could possibly be a bottom of the rotation of peace. I expect john lester to be back. be surprised if he's not But the other part of this guys you have outside factors not only pandemic but you have an industry that is uncertain in terms of when we might start the season. We gonna play one hundred sixty two next year. We'll be fans in the stands. Will there be a d. h. Again in the national league. So i think there are a few more domino's it's still have to fall. The cubs are going to have in my opinion a big and an eventful off season. I just don't know if it'll be early or if it'll be late and they may have to wait a little bit just to see how some of those other things shake out. So we bid farewell to the and best of luck to jed hoyer. And that's going to do it for this edition of the weekly podcast brought to you by wintrust. Don't forget. Remember the download and subscribe to the podcast today by or apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your pod. So until next time they get see that.

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"Hot Stove Cubs Talk with Ryan Dempster" - Episode 037

The Sportscaster and Her Son

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"Hot Stove Cubs Talk with Ryan Dempster" - Episode 037

"The sports caster and her son is brought to you by foot first. Podiatrist painful bunions. That it's time to get your bunion fixed with foot first. Podiatrist exclusive sklar on your neck to me. No scars no cast no crutches. no kidding for more information about the sklar on your neck to me visit foot. I dot com and by elektra flex a global leader in electrical conduit for over sixty years makers of liquid tight flexible conduit electrically connecting our world. Hello everybody and welcome to the sports caster and her son were sports. Bridges the gap between the generations host. Peggy kozinski twelve time. Emmy award winning sports caster at nbc chicago for seventeen years. I'm the baby. Boomer jason commander a freshman at ut. Austin i am on air talent for two years. Tv sports editor for go. Joe bruin and i m generation z. Now you know we don't always get along. We are mother and son but we do bolt share a love of sports and that always brings us closer together in this episode the cubs is the window still open. Or is there a rebuild in sight feel epstein walks away. What's next. Who's next jason. And we will go off the mound with former cub ryan dempster for his perspective on his former team as well as his late night. Talk show career all right jason before we can even get to theo abson len kasper our love. I love it so latest in a long line of sports broadcasters who have who will have called games for both teams absolutely love it. Why do you like it so much. Well first of all it's more of a moral victory for the white sox considering that they took the voice of the chicago cubs away and knew nothing against lancaster but they aren't even putting him in the same role. They're putting him in what people some people might view as a lesser role going from tv to radio Obviously will end up doing tv student. Twenty five games in twenty twenty one and will likely become their fulltime play by play guy. at twenty twenty two. But i love the move for the white sox first of all because now you can argue that they have to the top five voices and baseball in the organization with jason bonetti and obviously casper For the cubs. It's a it's it's to put it very blunt embarrassing. It's embarrassing when you when you have found yourself in financial position and obviously it wasn't all financial len kasper. I've made the decision consciously but you have to think with with the way that things have went with the cubs organization especially in the past few months and whether they have spent or lack thereof few years. It's just another. It's just another episode in a long line of regression since winning the world series in twenty sixteen. I don't think it's embarrassing for them. I think it's just business and it happens you know. Listen there's a pandemic going on and and you don't have butts in the ballpark that pays for a lot of the salaries and you can't have extra seeds. So i just i don't think it's i think it was. It opened up across town. They were smart. They approached him They some security. He's got a young family. So yeah i don't think it's embarrassing so much for the comes. I think that that's just that's the world of baseball right now. That a lot of teams. Just don't have the money coming in and they're going to have to cut right right. I'd be at the same time. Though you to think. In the history of sports and sports media being the voice of the chicago cubs is one of the most sacred roles in all of baseball jack. Brickhouse harry carey. Lancaster looked to be the next in line of these legendary cubs broadcasters and to see him go across go cross town before even spending fifteen years at the team is incredible to me and i love it for the white sox so much and i'm just i'm i i've said you before i'm gonna listen to more sox games on the radio than i ever have because lancaster's voices so recognizable and he's just he's. He's one of my favorites in the game. And i'm so glad that he's on our side. No okay one of the big news items with the hot stove. Baseball is kris bryant. A lot of talk about the nationals. A lot of talk that it was projected last year really upset kris bryant that everybody was talking about him moving on because he said that he had never expressed that kind of interest but it seemed like a natural. And if you look at a team and you have to get some value in return. He's one of the most valuable items on people hate to call players in people items but he's one of the most valuable things they could actually get something in return. I would say that you don't think so who who has more valuable for well. First of all brian to rental. He's got one more year left on his contract coming off of far and away the worst year of his career he did set the bar really high himself with his. Mvp season but when you look at every year since then not only have. His numbers went down but the advanced metrics of went down. He's not hitting. The ball is hard of hearing. Been getting as much luck with the batting average on balls in play so kris bryant. I guess he is valuable player because he is a name brand player. But when you look at him defensively he's not a guy that you can plug and play across a field. He's third base or subpar corner outfielder which leads me to believe he'd fit better in the american league Again he has had strikeout problems. He is not the timely hitter that he was on. The cubs won the world series. I think that the cubs really screwed up by not maximizing his value in trading him last winter when they had a clear replacement in nico horner david bodey and they held onto him and brian came back and had one of while easily the worst season of his career. So if you're looking at the cubs roster right now. They are sort of in the same position that they were before the initial rebuild where they have a bunch of guys who have had great seasons with the team without the team but are at a point in their careers whether it be with their contracts or their production or they're just not as valuable as they used to be so. I guess that's the way baseball goes when you look at bryant and baya's and rizzo and look at their peak value would have made no sense for the cubs to trade them at that time. So maybe it's bad luck. Maybe it's Poor player development career development But right now when you look at the cubs roster wilson chairs and hobby buys or the two guys that they could get the most for but at the same time. Those are the two guys that it would be the wisest for them to lock up and spend the money on because you don't get a power hitting catcher at every day and you don't get somebody that is so skillful with the glove and such a good timely hitter power hitter at shortstop his hobby bias so the cubs lock those guys up or maybe another full rebuilds in store especially with the financial situation not surprising that they did not tender contracts. Tha albert amora junior. But kyle schwimmer man not to get anything in return. The year after they won the world series would've been the highest value that they could have gotten something else wherever. And that's a shame when you don't get something in return. The problem with shorter is he's such a one dimensional player and with the national league likely not having the designated here in twenty twenty one short would have been stuck in left field. He is one of the worst offenders in baseball. No matter what cubs fan say. She's not too bad but defender every metric. He is a subpar founder Big strike he. He's one of the most copy and paste players in baseball and mean that in strikeout through outcomes strikeout walk home run and you can get that anywhere so wars value is not high. That's why he has not signed yet. They would not have gotten anything in return him. Being non tendered made a ton of sense to me l. More made a little less sense to me. Because he's a top ten defender in baseball. His hitting has regressed every single year. Since his rookie year bought elmore they could have at least given a contract to and then gotten something for instead of having to sign a veteran outfielder to one year deal because when you look at the cubs pharmacists and they do not have guys that are major league ready. They don't have any more blue chip prospects that they had back in two thousand thirteen fourteen. So i'm just. I'm the things like this things like these. Make me so thankful to be a white sox fan. Obviously the cubs do still have some veterans. Have these players that have shown that they can put together all star seasons. If they do the cubs will still be a force to be reckoned with. But with the way that the organization is going and the players are playing and the careers have regressed. I don't like it all what i'm seeing on the north side theo epstein. Not a surprise. He hinted that he would not overstay his welcome. He has left. The cubs also hinted that he will not be in baseball this coming season so that he will take time to measure what his next step is going to be. So jed hoyer has quite the job ahead of him Do you a think that theo epstein will be back in baseball. Does he go to. The bears does he. Go to the blackhawks. Does he go to another sport. Does jed hoyer have what it takes to be a successful team. President epstein f seen is absolutely returning to baseball. He's taking this year off strategically in my opinion because there are a couple of openings. Just make too much sense. People were talking about the phillies while they just hired. Dave dombrowski the other day. So that won't be happening. San diego padres make a whole lot of sense. That is a team that has rebuilt for the past. Few years have had one of the top. Five farm systems in baseball for the past. Five years made the playoffs for the first time in over a decade last year. And have some of the best young players in all of baseball feel epstein will make perfect sense in san diego. New york could also make sense. Sandy alderson beyond his way out. Which would leave an opening four theo epstein with the matt's Yeah there are few is going to go to a big market Whether it be on the east coast or west coast. I don't know. But i could just about guarantee that he will be back in baseball in two thousand twenty two and he will be in a same or similar role that he was in with the boston. Red sox and chicago cubs Prior to him taking a break this upcoming year. Hey jason have you checked out off the mound marquee sports network yet. So i did when you told me that we were going to have ryan dempster on the show. 'cause obviously i am a white sox fan so have not found myself on marquis yet but From what i saw it seems like sort of like a sports spin off on a late night. Talk show which. I absolutely love. And i wish that the white sox were to have some sort of equivalent to that to be completely honest. The cubs are lucky because they have ryan dempster and who knew that he wanted to be the next johnny carson. But this is late night. Sports talk you know there was late night. Sports talk when i was growing up in it was on the radio and it was like less grab sting. So we're not talking that kind of late night. Sports talk here. We're talking more of a jimmy. Kimmel jimmy fallon sports guests kind of way. And guess what ryan dempster is joining us. Now on the podcast. Hi ryan how are you. I'm great. i'm doing really really well. Thanks so much for having the only my god. Let's start with. I had no idea that you were a johnny carson fan. I used to have every single one of his episodes and beck on vhs when they would sell them. In the whole i grew up. I loved johnny carson. Yeah i was lucky you know i had I parents you were Who were a little bit lenient. When it came to tv comedy so long as it was something light and funny i was allowed to watch it and my dad would always you know kinda let me late night on the you know the friday night or something and occasionally on a thursday night on the couch and watch johnny carson with them. I just i just loved it. I just he. He was funny and entertaining the guests that he had on there. And just just come. Robbery with ed mcmahon and you know just just all of it and i just couldn't wait you know we. We lived in a world back then. We didn't know what was coming next. We didn't know we just waited in anticipation that would have fun. So i always end up waiting hoping. Burt reynolds coming on so Yeah definitely passion my comedy and laughing with of mind and And glad i'm getting an opportunity to do some of this stuff. Yeah i love that. You're mixing it up. Like i said a jimmy fallon jimmy kimmel kind of way where you have comedy involved and there's sometimes little skits type of things like that. How tell me how you really kind of went after the com- angle after your baseball career did i see that you start. You went to do improv and stuff like that. You actually trained. Yeah so you know kind of my my career anyways. I was always that player. Like if you have teammates play with me back with you know coming up with the marlins. In my first few years i was always enjoying that clubhouse camaraderie that we would have and trying to make people laugh and and do those extra things and you know hundred hundred and sixty two games over one hundred and eighty something days along seton so i try to keep it fresh and then that really took effect even later on in my career even more so where i really pride and trying to be a clubhouse leader and those kind of thinks well when i got done playing and then retired i started doing the the the cubs convention show which was on the variety. Show the live show and i thought man. This is a lot of fun. And i really had visions of kind of doing this before. So then i enrolled at improv olympic. i started doing some writing started doing A little bit of work even at second city and just learning about that craft and then also started doing stand up comedy around chicago. I did stand up comedy new jersey new york And then hopefully we'll get back to that when we get on the other side of quarantine tiredness and time and get up there doing clubs again but i just love it. It's not easy. I know i got a long way to go. But i'm willing to working for yes. Well i gotta tell you doing standup. I did a little bit in college. And that is really putting yourself out there that is. I am impressed that you did this. I mean that is scary. Not always been he. I bombed so many times It's funny i You know you can have a really great night's guy did this one place New jersey bar and grill and stand up comedy night. Every tuesday night i think it is and incited a friend of mine who i work with an. It'll be network. he's a stand up. Comedian goes well easily. Try it and i killed it. And there's only eight people in there in seven of them. Were other comedians soya. Cigarette good at gotham comedy club. The laugh factory or something like why didn't have to be here but it was You know it was. It was great to do. And you know it's it's a learning process you know you have if you haven't failed multiple times you're probably not doing a enough or be you know not not trying new material so hopefully i'll get there. I really really enjoy the journal in russia's not being on the mound close second Who's been your favorite guests so far. Wow abor guests. So far i would probably say i really love having rookie junior on I just thought it was great. You know he's a pretty quiet and reserved guy and to have them on talking about his dad and his relationship with dad in the big leagues and being a parent now and historian about racing cars. All over the world. But you really really confident here and being a kid grew up in the pacific northwest. No it was. It was awesome to interview. Somebody that you kinda idolize. Litter became teammates with them. And you know. I tried to take gig at him one time. I was teammates with them. In cincinnati and i caught a a home run ball practice that he hit Opposite field kingdom. And so so. I was like hey junior. I got a ball from years old. I i caught when a little kid came to a game. You know and he just went over means like nam. Not all i was just in the big leagues in eighteen renewing. God and you win you win again. God it's great to question here. Give me your dream guest baseball. Wise and the non sportswise I think non sportswise. Wow i talked to somebody. I think it was a talk between Will farrell down. I would love to have him. George w bush. Ooh love that Extra extra owner of baseball team. Obviously everybody knows him as the president but You know. I had a chance to meet him before. He's he's so much fun to talk to talk baseball with him and he didn't use them what baseball was like. And what it's like now and so maybe we'll get there at some point. Baseballwise man ricky henderson How many times. He refers to himself as ricky while. I saw you talk to jonathan exactly. That's what i was gonna say. You think that he would catch onto it and would appreciate the humor that maybe maybe at this point when he when he was the i remember my best friend growing up with the anderson family john norris ricky henderson so i was a young guy. He was Coming off feel. We were planning meth. And i just. I wanted to ask for an autograph and so i just went over and i you can ask you question. His what's up. And i said can you. Can you sound a ball for me please. And nieces man. Ricky don't sign and i said i for a birthday present for my best friend. You can personally to adam happy birthday. And he looked at me kind of respect he shakes his head he goes fine but ricochet signing the sweet spot. Oh my gosh. I loved it and he signed the ball my best friend day. Great that's hysterical of all of your shows live. The ones who did at the event centers were at the convention. What's been the funniest moment so far that you just loved. Wow i sean casey. At the vic theater was he was next level. You know it was funny. 'cause people in chicago baseball fans they knew him from the reds. And that'll be network of these things. And we are around sean. He he is one of the greatest storytellers when it comes to baseball events and then and you like that all the time i go in his office at mlb network. And i'm just gonna drop off like you know a sandwich that brought in that i've passed next thing you know we're a thirty minute. Conversations were now almost feed myself laughing so hard and and he is so many people came up to me and we you know we had rizzo. Wait till he would've had again. They're like sean. He needs to be a guest every time they laughed back much. He's just a who i mean. The guy when back in two thousand four when the cincinnati reds came in here they were the where the last week in the season. We were battling for a playoff spot. They beat three or four so basically eliminated as we need to sweep the braves on laugh. It he was so excited that we got the bus driver to pull over on. Addison and go into guthrie's tavern and yell at all the cubs fans that same wait till next year yeah losers home and and then all of a sudden he realized oh boy. There's no reds fan than here. I'm in trouble. you know. And he jumped back on the bus. The bus drivers pulling away the doors closing and all of these fans ran after him. And that's junket. He's just such a huge so he was two innings. I had him down there in arizona We had ham and eddie better on at the same time and he. He's just too so he. He took it up another level when you get sort of crowd. So you're you're pretty hands on in booking your gas site now like a lot of us in the media. it's you have producers. You have people who help you do your research but it sounds like you are pretty hands on and you know you have good insight onto who you think might be a good gas. Is that true. Yeah so far for every show. I looked them all. So if anybody's looking for talent booker. I serving part time as a i. Every guess yeah Through personal relationships through friends that have connected me and And it's been great They've been very responsive to be able to do it We've had a lot of fun and You know it is. It's important paying like you're saying like you know sure the big names are great and people wanna hear stories. But sometimes there's people who that i've played with or against or know that have incredible stories and there's so much fun and they're and they're great interviews and that he is just as important as the name of the guests and having those people on is vital to the show except because yes my idea and it and we're working on it but at the end of the day the guests or who makes the interview and so that's what i'm trying to hone those skills and a lotta fun doing it and you know you're gonna have some of those letterman moments when the guest isn't as good as you thought they would be or something's not going right in the interview and it's all that's where you're improv comes in where it's how how do you handle it. How is it going to go from here. And sometimes those end up being the best shows. Yeah absolutely you know like today. I mentioned the burt reynolds the beginning when he walks out that episode of carson and the tonight show and he's got the whipped cream. And next thing you know they start going back and forth at each other appointed down each other shirts and then you know janis taking the whip cream down his pants and i'm just like you know they didn't talk about that before that just happened and i'm not saying i'm breaking whipped cream out on any of these guys. I called the show. They when they come on the show. But now you're exactly right. That's what makes it fun the the Authenticity and the kind of organic ness a an interview. Where you just keep going. Don't don't prep anybody. I think. I'd like maybe two people on questions i've asked it's like i don't know what my dad he looks to find out and see where it takes us. Flip the switch to some cubs. Talk here last week big news feo epstein stepping down off give me some baseline thoughts on just the state of the cubs organization right now because this seems like after the big window of opportunity all the national league championship appearances world series in two thousand sixteen. It seems like they're kind of in a flocks for the first time in a long time. So what are your thoughts on the state of the cubs especially office. I think it's really really awesome for the chicago cubs cubs fan that we're at a point. Now where when they win the division. We're in flux. It's really really from from the days of curses in the lovable. Losers and you know never gonna win at yada. Yada yada that the expectation has changed this point of we have to win and i think that is just so and i and i know that you know you're getting to this point now and you talk about that kind of that window of winning and what happens is you have all these control. Talent now becomes very expensive. And you have to figure out how to navigate that. But i was with. Somebody said something like if you would've told us at the beginning of twenty sixty come fans. I'm a fan. You know people in chicago cubs fans all over the world that hey listen. We gotta sign up for this petition and on this petition. It says you win the world series this year but for the next few years. All you're going to do is go to the playoffs or wind billions or possibly go the analyst. Yes you're not going to get another world here for the next five years. Maybe not the next. Every cubs fan in the world would would line up outside the signed addition absolutely. I'll sign it. And i just think that's so great. E oh and again and everybody involved in all the front office guys. They've done their part to change the dynamic of what it's like so for me. I'm excited i feel like they got a great man. I feel like yeah. There might be some change but that doesn't mean the other pieces that they won't be able to go out there and win another division and compete to have a chance to maybe make a move at a deadline to go back to the you know the playoffs and content for world series again so people out there might see it as windows over. I don't see it that way. I see it as you always have a chance to win. no matter who's on the field i think payroll doesn't matter we've seen that And no no more evident than this past world series so I like where they're at. And i and i'm so happy. Forget that he has this opportunity to leadership climbing. You played for the cubs in two thousand and five. And i cannot help but ask. Do you think that any of the pressure that is put on the cubs whether by the media or by the fans. Do you think any of that is caused by the white sox because you see the white sox where when the cubs were winning all all the all the divisions and making a deep in the playoffs white sox were so bad and now on the other side of town the other teams finally getting really good and young and doing exactly what the cubs did back in two thousand sixteen. Do you think that that adds any pressure to like. Obviously it adds pressure from fans standpoint but from a front office standpoint and from a player's standpoint does it add any pressure especially speaking from experience. Two thousand five. I think from a player's standpoint. It only had pressure when the other team. You're playing really good and then you're only feel the pressure not for so from a player's standpoint. We actually love it when the white sox were good because those games for fun like when they were good and we were good. You know even two thousand five. We weren't getting two thousand six two thousand seventeen. Those were fun series. You're talking you know with the barrett incident brzezinski at home plate. Yeah the worst moment the closer in my in my career giving up that home run. Aj present yet at wrigley field. I wanted to go out by somebody afterward. Comparably a white sox fan you know it was. It was just so much fun. So i think as a front office is probably a little harder because you don't want to be playing second fiddle to the other team in town You wanna make sure that you put their competitive field but there's nothing better. I love with the white sox are good now like there was nobody in the fa in no fans but i got the call know white sox game that's fine that that when both teams are good both teams are near the top of the division. That's citing so I i hope that that's the case You know for for the next few years because you're right. The white sox are turning. The corner is the cubs team to be kind of flat lining. But you never know what can happen. 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I m pain free so ladies and guys don't walk around in pain like i did for years visit foot. I dot com and now back to our conversation with ryan dempster. The cubs didn't make a lot of moves the last year. So i'm curious with whether or not you think jed is going to take that big step you know listen feel leaves and he leaves the team intact that everybody loved but is this going to be now jets going to be the fall guy when he if he gets rid of one of the big names will. Jed never picked up dinner anytime. So i'm gonna he's gonna be on load and some salary know. I think that you know. There's obviously gotta be recreated strategy in order to the same success and you except for the future you can't just keep paying everybody on your team. Twenty five million dollars. A year doesn't work that way. I mean eventually you might win like the dodgers did but with a long and they're paying every year you know just going out and signing players doesn't guarantee anything it's phillies fan. grace harper. Three hundred million dollars. They might win a world series at some point here but it doesn't mean you're just all of a sudden you know. Be the team and so you have to have some decisions. I think gen has some very hard decisions. And you know there's been talk about possible raf roster turnover out there. But it's not that easy and everybody's like oh she's trade this guy or trade that guide your the rumors about kris bryant. You know hard that is trade kris bryant do business aside like making a making the right decision for the future of the club and yada yada yada all that aside this guy who drafted by wanna rookie of the year won. An mvp won a world series. Multiple all star games has been a model citizen that needs family. He feels like family and you know he is family him and his wife jefferson. There little baby like so. It's not as easy as going well. Hey thanks thanks for everything. No this guy helped be a part of changing the dynamic so every time you sit there and say man i gotta deal that i just. I don't know like can. He's almost like a son and so i don't envy up position as they gotta be in with a lot of those guys but at the same time we see the economics of the game. They're changing they change. This past cured might change again next year so he might be payroll. He might be keeping it the same. I don't know maneuvering around. But he's proven throughout his career that he's capable of making any deal. That makes this team better. I don't see that changing anytime soon. And you're still close enough to guys on that roster. Is that something that the players actually talk about. Is that something. That's kind of you know when no one's around they're sitting around. Did they talk about the possibility of guys leaving. Yeah i think this year they really talked about it. Just because as you get closer to that last year arbitration or guys getting free agency. You start to see the possibility of that happening. So i think they really did. And it was evident throughout your. They played really hard for each other. And then they just down the stretch it was. It was hard to maintain. And we're able to be you know the marlins and three injuries which you know. I'm not a huge fan. 'cause anybody can win a best of three at any point during the season going against the best pitcher so i think they really did have those conversations we you know. It's been an incredible run for those guys for john lester to not have the ability to have swan song and get the tip of the cats the fans throughout the season and say thank you to chicago you know the way he wanted to other than buying forty seven thousand dollars where the beer i just wanna say. I completely agree about not liking the three game series. I think full chicago teams got absolutely ripped off of a deep playoff run now with that being said how do you think that the pandemic is going to impact the cubs mode of operation. This offseason do think that because we've seen in the previous years of the cubs because they spent so much money on these guys and they need to save the money to lock up guys that are arbitration-eligible and that are going to be due for an extension. Do you think that the that the pandemic skin affect that even more and make them their pockets. Even do you think that we're gonna see like a completely different way of going about business. This offseason from the cubs. I think that you know the whole landscape of major league baseball. I think you're gonna see possible. Payroll cuts t. you know. I think you're gonna see players on pender that you didn't think whatever it'd be. Non tendered I think that there's going to be three agencies that are hoping to get break the bank and they're not going to break the bank. You know. I think pretty much every team. You see what teams they're laying off people making sixty thousand dollars a year league wide. I don't see them going. Oh but let's go give a player one hundred million. You know there might be that case. But i just i don't see them saying hey look player. One hundred million over five years. I just see because of the impact of what happened with with kobe. And no pants fans in the you know the projection of what do you do with no fans or limited again next year. Yeah i think it's very very real thing in a possibility that A lot of teams and maybe put the cubs in there. I don't know a lot of teams could possibly have impact as far as you know the type of payroll that they that they threw out there obviously the cubs of a gm opening so. Let's say that you get thrown into the fire and year. The new gymnasts kogyo cubs. What is your offseason blueprint Yeah try to build off you know last year. I think that you know you really really focus on the positives of last year and say well where are areas of strength. Okay let's build up those things Obviously the focus on what. Your weaknesses were And then you know you build your you build your pyramid of of roster destruction controllability When you look around the league like and even talking about the doctor sure they went. Got mukhi bets and these guys but clayton kershaw walker bueller Julio year yes cory seager cody. Bellinger will smith. They're all they're all homegrown young guys that have come up through the system same with tampa bay and you go down the list of all the players and the company did it when they want to. The answer isn't to just go by all the players. The days of the yankees doing that or over because the yankees did that on an unlevel playing field they could go out and spend all this money and they know other teams can do that now other teams they can afford it a little bit more of a b. Everything's kind of it's harder to cut the differences everybody's been the analytical world. They all got the same numbers. Everybody understands everything the same almost. And so you have to hit like your trade and if you make a trade you have to hit but those young players but you have to be able to have control players definitely make offers to be able to try and sign players to keep me deals although players don't wanna do it you know it's up to the player you ultimately you can try and make that effort right can control players so that you have an understanding of what next year looks like in the year after year after that you can keep these cycles of ups and downs to more just like by how little waves with you know big huge spikes where you can go out there and know that for three or four years. You've got a chance really have a chance to win. A world series of stories about theo's how much he he loved to celebrate the big moments and during his tenure here with the cubs. Have you gone out. And celebrated yet with him. His announcement of leaving the team. And i can only imagine if that was a four. Am five am or still going on party. In theo's it's in the works. I joking. I was joking with a friend. I said i don't know what do we need a higher crude action to put this together. Or what are we to do not. Oh definitely like the Let loose you know i. I think that's a byproduct of of working so hard. I watched this guidance for years. Both jed worked tirelessly tirelessly like they don't they don't stop. It is twenty four seven whatever they can do to try and make him better and so in return when you get these moments and satisfaction a relief. Even if their brief he definitely likes to enjoy them you know and that was evident in the in the playoff round twenty sixteen and afterwards and celebrating that. So we're trying to figure out a way to do some to celebrate all the great work that he did here on the north side and and change the culture and and just hope that. I'm i make the bed by the by the next night you know. I know that that nice knocked acid. But yeah right. Hey you can check out. Ryan dempster on twitter at dempster forty six or on instagram dempster. Forty six forty six. Check out off the mound marquee sports network new episodes every friday. Who do you have coming up ryan. tabatha you coming up on this. So who when you talked about grades yes. He was one of my favorite easy. You know playing against them. There's so much on you know. He's he's bigger than life person in many look at him but underneath all that. Is this giant lovable. Petty the great teammate. Brent husband grandfather great man in the community and forward sit down with him. sounds awesome checkout off the mound on marquee sports network also on instagram and twitter. They also have the web page off the mound dot com ryan. Thank you so much for taking the time to join us. This has been a blast. A great pitching guys. Thanks so much for having me on. Thanks ryan take care. you know. I'm not surprised ryan. Dempster is hosting a talk show. You could talk to him forever and he has the right personality as well. That was really fun. Okay jason. We need some predictions you Three predictions okay for my first prediction. Everyone knows i'm big college. Basketball guides have been very exciting first couple of weeks. So i'm just going to say right now by the start of twenty twenty one texas longhorns. They will be a top five team in the country of loved. Everything that i've seen homer hall home prediction right. They are their game against baylor got cancelled. I thought that they had everything that it could take two poff upset against the number two team in the country. Some top ten teams have fallen with kentucky. Fall completely off the face of the earth. Duke doesn't look good at all to the point where coach k. Decide to cancel the rest of their non conference schedule so the doors wide open. For the longhorns of sneak in. We're basketball school now With the way the football season is went. So i really am just totally ryan the waiver now for my second prediction The nba's starting up very soon and i'm going to say that while it has been it's been very quiet on the nba front even though we are a week away from the season starting. There's this great christmas slate. I'm going to have sort of a double sided prediction. I'm going to say that either. Two of the top ten stars and basketball get injured early in the season because of the short layovers okay right or those two of the top ten stars and basketball opt out for the first month. That was that had been rumored by lebron. James by anthony davis by stars in the nba. They fought the turnaround Trauma yup from september october. All the way to december was two quick. So i think that while it's a nice at the nba's back so quick. I don't think that is going to be a smooth transition to the twenty twenty one season and four my final prediction college. Football playoff is upon us. It is coming up soon. I'm going to say that the four teams are Clemson alabama and then. I'd go to predict that notre dame gets absolutely crushed in the acc championship game so they will fall out of the playoff. That leaves ohio state as the number three and number four texas ena. So that's my fourteen college football playoff. I'm big vanity insanity of whatever the craziest law committees and notre dame getting killed a lot of people including myself happy. And i think that it would be very nice to see them. Not be a part of the playoff okay. Two months ago. I reached out to jeannie morris author of brian picolo book which in turn inspired the movie. Bryan song gale. Sayers had died. And i wanted to talk to her about sayers. The man the football player the one half of the nfl's first interracial roommates. Gd was in chicago at the time. This was october. Two thousand twenty. She told me she was in town for cancer treatment. I was sad to hear that and told her not worry. She didn't have to do our silly podcasts but she insisted she would make time so. I heard she had a dinner party the night that we were taping our podcast and in the middle of the dinner party. She threw up her hands and said oh my gosh. I forgot about peggy's podcasts. I have to record it and one of the people at the dinner party was television producer. And he was laughing saying genie. It's a podcast. it's not the news. It doesn't start at a certain time. You could just call her at any time. In any event genie called and we recorded the show about gale sayers. She took that time despite knowing she wasn't always feeling great. She was in the final months of her life. Jeannie and i were fairly new friends when the ring lardner. Awards honored her. As the first woman recipient she had found out. i was instrumental in pushing for her to be the honoree. She wanted to meet me. She did homework on me. We had dinner. It became a mutual admiration for each other and the pats that we took thirty years apart. She was smart. Very talented writer determined supported other women. Oh true women's libber from the fifties and sixties it would be misleading to think that she was mrs johnny morris because she was so much more she was a political activist working on the kennedy campaigns in the sixties. She spoke out for women's rights. She traveled the world and she made history. The first woman sports caster to report live from the super bowl. The first woman sports caster in chicago's great sports history. Genie opened the door for dozens of women who have worked in chicago. Sports and i am eternally grateful to have finally met her befriended her and to be able to thank her in her final days. And tell her thank you for all she did for me. And all the women who came after johnny morris died this week at the age of eighty five. Thank you jeanie for doing it. 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NBA Draft With Ryen Russillo, The Bears Suck, And Guys On Chicks

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NBA Draft With Ryen Russillo, The Bears Suck, And Guys On Chicks

"On today's part of my take we have our good friend. Ryan russillo back on the pod. Been awhile almost an hour ryan talking. Nba draft and we veer into some weird shit with billion him talking about lifting. We got it all. We're going to do some hot. See cool thrown. We have guys on chicks. The bears are fucking terrible. We will talk about all of its and we're brought to you by our friends at the cash app. Not eggs always brought to you by the cash app. Not only is the easiest place in money to your friends. It's the safest go download it right now. Use the code so you get ten dollars for free. Ten dollars the aspca. The cash app is the best. they're also sponsoring so on friday. 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Free ten dollars to the aspca. Today is wednesday november eighteenth and the chicago. Bears fucking suck. I was one of the most boring games that have ever seen. I wish i want the bears to be bad but fun bad or good. I would root for the bears. If they were good. I would get behind you up to a certain point where it would break your heart most deeply. But they're not. They're not fun bad. They had one hundred. Forty nine yards of offense. Is that correct. Pf t their leading. That's impossible to do their their longest run in the last two games has been by a fucking linebacker in punt return. The only they've they've scored seven points offensively. This year in the third quarter doesn't count the third quarter because it was kick return. They are so fucking bad. I it's painful. It's painful to watch like the play calling. I actually think now matt nagy like that was a very nice subtle way for him when he pushes the play calling to bill laser. He's essentially saying. Hey everyone is not the play calling. It's a fact. Ryan pace has shit for brains and he has completely ruined this roster because offense of line was a problem going in it. Sucks you you knew that like the quarterback situation was not good. You went and got nick foles. Who look philly loves nick. Foles nick foles one super bowl. I i don't know what. His injury was shoulder rib. Whatever we'll get to that later. He's not good. He's not good at playing football like he's not good at being a quarterback it just objectively. He's just he's just found himself in a couple of good situation horst clearest he's reading incredible heights he's had incredible moments but like game to game he is not a consistent starter in the nfl. Yeah i mean it is basically a a real easy way for matt nagy to be like this is not my issue. I it doesn't matter who's calling plays it could be Andy reid himself. Calling the plays. It could be any office corner in the league. But when you have nick foles and then when you have the offense line injuries that we have and to be fair. They are banged up football team. It is it's everyone it's it's not great and it's so fucking boring to watch it's just don't even the most exciting part of any bears game should be cornell patterson getting ball because it's cool to see a big ass wide receiver playing running back every now and again even that's boring because i've seen it so much it's usually not effective and even said that like he's i think steve levy said last night like he's got so fat that he's basically also a fullback. Yeah and the bears are so bad offensively that they were down six points and they returned a punt to like the forty five yard line at the vikings and there was zero percent chance that we're going to score and everyone knew it and then on like third out. I don't. it's insane that you can have a team. Mike zimmer is great coach. Mike zimmer was blitzing every third down and no one realized i'd like it was it was clockwork every third down. Bring the pressure. Nick foles runs for his life. Nothing happens let's throw in a like they ran that one fucking pass. It was like second six and they ran a pass like four yards. Behind the line of scrimmage. They're just so bad in the incompetent and terrible. And i hate ryan pace and i hate to do this because mitch trubisky's a very nice guy. It's not his fault but this is what happens. These are the repercussions of missing. When you take a swing for the fences on a quarterback in the first round and you miss you feel it for decades going forward like the bears will be catch. We'll be chasing that mistake for a very long time. I just think that's remarkable. That matt nagy found somebody that shares his exact brain when it comes to play calling that he could give playcalling too. Yeah because there was actually no difference last night watching the the stuff bill. Laser came up with as opposed to what matt nagy. He's so there's yeah there's no good you know you can take take solace in though the defense. The defense is still somehow playing very hard. Also did you see looks good. Did you see what happened. When key mix got hurt most important plains. A little bit more players started. The vikings were able to run the ball. Very easy changed a little bit but still the defense is good. I think the bears defense i. It's still oh it's very good defense that you could definitely win super bowl with if you had an above average offense and everything broke the exact right way but you don't and it stinks and we're going to have to watch the bears in primetime again. It's and that's gonna stink. Flaxseed they start flexing. I have to flex that they can't do this anymore. i can't. that's the worst part about watching the game. The bears in a standalone game is the amount of tweets of like. How do you do this. And i don't know it's miserable. It's so it's so fucking terrible to watch is so dysfunctional. And i like nothing. Works in all sucks and they suck. And i know people were like well. They're frauds no if you listen to what i said from day one. I was not apologizing for five and one. Because i was trying to enjoy the ride but i knew this is a house of cards. I was realistic. That this wasn't going to hold up. I thought maybe with a five and one start. You can look into a playoff spot. Because you've already you know what i mean like. If you are five and one you can reasonably finish the season four and six and maybe get in the playoffs at nine and seven. That's what i was but now what chance you also want to many games. Yes and now you're going to be all fuck fuck. You're not going to be able to get somebody good so i don't know who's going to be available in the off. Season is a free agent. But yeah you guys are fucked. Yeah here's just valley suck and twenty four. They said you can start flexing starting in week. Five however twelve days notice so twelve days for this weekend knows that this weekend isn't that record or by we. Yeah that's which is actually break for your. Has it been like today. It's so perfect there on a bi week because that will give me just enough time to forget what happened last night and be like the bears could beat the packers. They're not gonna flex it because it's bears pack earn rogers and they wanna see us. They wanted pain. They don't wanna see you happy. Big cat What else. I mean kirk cousins. Let's give him some credit. You wanna monday night football game. Yeah great job the great job kirk. We've got Adam theline look pretty good. Justin jefferson baby bron. I can't decide which ones baby brown versus. We should do a baby brown of the week. Yes just whoever's good at that point we'll claim them for lebron james so he doesn't have to worry about it. Yeah so that game socked and then obviously we're now on tuesday so you're gonna listen to us on wednesday. You watch the game. Two nights ago and then theo epstein resigned. So everything's falling apart for me. I knew that we. I think everyone knew it was going to happen because he was. He's always said. I'm not i'm ten years and i'm out this year nine so he it's a year early but it was. There was some rumors out there that he was thinking about. It feel have seen might be the best guy at his job like ever in sports. I don't i mean there's in terms of gm's there's not many up there like he is exceptional all the parade if you get the red sox and the cubs world series titles like no probably do the fucking mets there no more kingdoms if he gets the mets yeah then switch over to football get the jets. It's it's sad to wa- like see. He wants to politics if he if he could get the red sox the cubs don't get into end the messy. Oh don't ruin it and then if you were to make the democrats take the senate. Those are like the foremost impossible things world. He he Yeah he deserves all the credit or you know all the credit For what he did in chicago and it sucks put it also. I understand he. He's ten year guy. He said that from day one So i i think he'll be the next commissioner. He should be than i think. Manfred gotta be nervous. Because theo epstein's a fucking genius and everything he does turns into being great and yeah the cubs are in a great spot right now. But who the fuck cares. Flags fly forever. Listen there's there's nothing epstein could do that would make him a worse. Commissioner rob manfred spent so all you have to do is apologise for his brother's acts. That's right jay out of the island for you. Know that's actually. He's not related to okay so for the record are we shared a record. One hundred percent sure. Further record not related is the goat. I love them forever and He spends a lot of a lot of time scouting teenagers. she had jed hoyer. Now the The head of the operations also. Theo back salary. Well i don't know it's technically giving back via quit. Now that's just quitting that you're gonna take but he could have easily alleged when you quit a job then they don't have to pay you afterwards right. You'd get fired. He could have done something he got himself fired. He was getting paid us. Going to get paid ten million dollars next year He could've easily mailed that in. You think he's going to go. The mets because i don't think no no he says you're all quit and then go to the mets. No he says you're off. But i'm saying that like he could have easily just cash that check. Yeah so he deserves at least a little credit for that. I guess so and cubs have had to fire a bunch of people on their staff because a covert so You know isn rich enough but yeah that's sucked so that's pretty much. Everything's going on in the sports world. Everything sucks anything else before. We thought. See cool thrown. Us soccer's back. They went sixty two. We did against who panama. That doesn't count i eight. We'll take it up every now and then maybe even tobago. Maybe we can be both those teams again. You know what. let's do. You're tired idea now because we'll do guys on chicks after russillo. Okay so my tired idea is actually. It's a it's a good hot seat. Tired idea is revolving around twitter. So twitter came out with fleets today. We instagram stories for your after instagram copied stories from snapchat stories So now you can send. You can post a story on instagram. And then you can see who looked at it but you can't see in order of who you follow looked at it and then people can reply to your fleet. Wait on twitter or on twitter. You fluid you fleet. You are then and then where does it go. It goes at the top. I haven't seen one you. Haven't you haven't got an updated. Yes why should i. It's update naturally updated naturally for me. Heat updating yeah. It's the worst so tired. Idea is just an app that copies whatever. The last iteration of the most popular social media was and then lets people use that so for example. Everyone's mad about instagram right because instagram also change layout you. Just come out with a product. That's instagram but just the last one that they had and you just keep updating go one further you go one behind him and then everyone goes to the old version. It's always the most immediate old version that i liked that water. We don't like change. Well we don't change and it does feel like this is everyone. Just chasing the heyday of mine. Just bring back vine vine it was the most perfect app that's ever been invented vision. Was everything that tiktok and instagram stories and fleets always wanted to be Fine was the perfect app. Six seconds it also vine was like the greatest because tiktok anyone. Anyone can do anything because it's like. Is it unlimited. Time on tiktok is it now. Okay well how much time a minute. Okay a minutes longtime happened to be funny in six seconds or less is very hard to do. So i feel like annual vine was was the perfect app where it was dictated sex. Yes i was a great fine. These are all like i still remember. Vines like yes. It was amazing. You remember like maybe a year ago. Twitter said subdued. Okay guess what we're going to give you the ability to send an audio tweet. What the fuck was that about. Yeah who the fuck uses audio tweets does the stupidest shit ever you ever send you a text message audio texas. Those are the worst. I always just assume it's there but rubber yasser by accident. Yes those are fucking terror with a tweet it. Everyone says it. Just give us an edit button for the record. I don't want an editor. No i live my life by the seat of my pants. Just fire off a fire and forget. I don't wanna have to go back and edit ship. Everyone says give me. I'm team not edit button. But no literally. No one was asking for an audio tweet and fleets and fleets fleets has kind of grown on me. Because it just seems like a cool. What is it. Sam for fleet. I dunno two. Boats is a giant boat. It's no it's not. It's a group of boats. Would fly is blake zoom tweets. But it's not a group of ships sailing together engage in the same fleet is yeah got it. I don't know. I don't know what it's going to be great though that we joked about that but in ten years people will be like fleet is boats. What are you talking about. So the reason. No it's the. It's the twitter videos. The reason i know. It's not gonna work because it doesn't even work for hornets guy you can't you can't really creep on people and see who's creeping on you if you're a horny person on it that's the only way to make any sort of new social media app work is if there's an ability to get real horned up on it. Yeah billy really. Oh you wonder if there was a apt to find other horny people other f- liters in a proximity. Okay anyway go on. He's talking about his app. Oh about your ad. Mark cuban okay. There's nothing to do with fleet though pointing us All right should we do Either way fleets. Just i feel like this is just the way for twitter. I think we've said this before but twitter does this every so often just so people can complain about twitter which gets twitter back in the news. it very mad. It usually happens when a week and a half in isolation on a beach building campfire. from self. Meditating you're right and then he comes back. I've got a great idea. I unlocked a secret to the universe. We're just gonna copy graham stories. Yes yes fleets all right. Let's get to hotseat cool thrown hoc- cool thrown is brought to you by friends. At bud light on the cool thrown ugly sweater specifically the sweaters re collapsed with but light seltzer on available now on barstool shop. Speaking of ugly sweaters. Bud light seltzer has a released. 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Yes he The other day on twitter asks the world who wanted a. Ps five insinuating. Who's give away a ps five or to to really excited. And then there was a bunch of rumors about him. Getting treated any deleted his twitter. Oh sorta he get hacked. Delete your account fan. No i think. I think he had like a very like sub tweet like. Don't worry about other people's opinions like thousands last tweet. And then he deleted his account too much drama. This league that guys too much trump. What happens can you bring it back. You can bring it back right. Yeah i'm other hotseat. Let's kind of like a show. That's enough disrespect on my name. Y'all be reminded. Peace sign emoji. Those great way to leap. Then we'll win got arrested today for firearms gonna jump fifteen years but he endorsed trump. Who can now pardoned him for. Wayne's got to be like thinking to himself. I've got what sixty days. Yeah yeah or you can conceding. I not officially okay So yeah i mean. Can't i hope. I hope he gets out. Can't cannot low weight behind mark fifteen years so did he get like his house raided or what happened all i think it was something like that is one of those things where he he was. Shot himself when he was way younger like he picked up a gun. Actally shot himself then. He got arrested a few years ago. The gun wasn't even loaded and then in today's arrest he because he's a felony allowed to have guns but he had guns but in the report it's like we knew he wasn't going to use them. Bulloch sounds like he's just a bad gun owner license your gone right in there. He's a convicted felon sleep in the report. They're like it. Seems like you've never going to use them. You never has used them but he can't have them so you arrested so it's like he's just you know a terrible gun owner just loves having guns around right. Can't stop right got it and then my cool thrown is people who like my dog boehner big cat. I guess triggs. I'm gonna send you guys picture. Triggs i walks boehner. I've i've stopped tweeting about your dogs. Boehner you have made me look at your dogs boehner. You have now brought your dogs boehner back into this show why i mean after it was brought on in the first place by you buy me who then tricks this movie Now can we laugh about your dogs boehner again or no the cartoon version. Yeah okay the cartoon team. Yeah so voted to the enormous adventure. We're going to tweet it out. it's on sale. If you wanna buy poster by pollster probably the holiday gift of the season so eight so now. You're you're making money off of your dogs boehner. But i was wrong the tweeted. I never said you're wrong until your cats addicted. Second serving time timeshare. No want you're giving your dog to starring role in boehner dogs. Puerto talks to yet. Okay got it okay. Change up some of the actors in there so if you have the firstborn dogs post or you to get the second one up to just think it's a little suspect mcconnell walberg sandler. I've been accused of liking. Hangs dog's penis too much and now we're selling march. It's i mean it. It's a it's one hundred hands are tied. Yeah you're very hip order on your own. Dogs peanut absolutely not. I was the one that wants to see you guys in the first place. Why did you guys see in the first place. Oh you're meaning that okay. Good take at least we got there after you tried to shame me now. I did not shame you. I felt i was loving my life not knowing how enormous your dog's penis was and then you showed up and showed me and my wife has never been the same. These dogs dick constant. I just don't like it because it looks like it hurts. It looks like he's sick always paying it. Looks like he's got intestines falling out of corona chinese. A lot of pain. Yeah right. Billy does look like he's got. He's got a hernia hernias got sports hernia. Is that it heck. Yeah said i have another one. But i don't know go ahead. No no no. No no selfish. It's it's no. Hey this is you know. It's the guy who has not it's fine. I don't want you podcasts. About us cast about friendship. Go ahead art. Thursday big cats playing double header insult. Npf's i told you. I didn't want to. They can't electric matchday. Efg lost today. So you guys. The entire broadcast pick has playing twice fifties playing Third started. Two o'clock pixel play borislav now two thousand dollars. Great all right cool. I didn't wanna do that. I really didn't want anything else. Fancy factory anything becoming fancy factory says make sure you go listen. I'll give wanted jake to go. Listen to benchmark podcast on thursday. Yeah you're listening to podcasts. Podcast called basketball. And jake's gonna cuss on the podcast if enough subscribers. That's nice we one week from today. Oh see this is so stupid you got now. See the one i post. What the hell. We're actually really going to like fleets. I'm guaranteeing like gimme. Gimme a month. They'll be addicted to fleet so be. Oh i just don't think like. I'm pretty sure and i'm not like a huge nerd of this stuff but i'm pretty sure like you know instagram. When he put up stories add like converts. You put up a story. We like go by this shirt. A lot of people do that on instagram stories. Right but on twitter when you tweet software like hey go like by this merge whatever. The the whatever people don't really do it. The conversion rate is very low. If if if if that's the same with fleets like there's no point can you swipe up on a fleet. I don't know that. That is what i'll be interested in. If it's one of those things where it's like you know fleets are popoff. People used to pay off on fleets out about fifty. What trump. My hot seat is masters ratings and then by extension michael thrown is nfl ratings so This is like the it's the. It's the sleep to be to make jumping rash conclusions about everything goes ratings. Come right so Masters yeah yeah who got woken golf recently. didn't they. Just let condoleeza rice five years ago. And how does how does. I don't want to say their name because they love whenever there mentioned but how do the readings police spin this one. When it's been every sport across the board has been down in ratings because they're all being played at weird times but then they only pick one league. That's got got woking. We'll also politics. The election coverage ratings. Were way down. Which is people are sick of all politics politics. How do you spend that it's like. Yeah there's really no way to spend it. But actually i do admire the way that fox managed suspend their numbers because fox. They lucked into this one because they had huge ratings on. Nfl football 'cause they said a seventy one percent increase over the last season then. Eighteen million viewers most watch nfl regional window on fox since two thousand nine just completely leaving out the fact that they got all the game games from cbs. That were also on various fox regional network. The readings wars all about spinning it. I mean we we've been in it you just you. Just pretend that you puff out your chest. You pretend you're fucking peacock remember when we had our one tv show. We had to be like. Well what does this mean well to streaming numbers and all that. Yeah everyone to use the clock every like seventy percent people that usually watch jimmy fallon watched us. Tonight is like the big thing that we've got to claim readings people salk. They are the worst and also the especially the first twenty four hours after the ratings. Come out that's when you know everyone's wrong dot to break the fourth wall but if if someone is talking about how big their show is like constantly probably not yes if they constantly can't stop talking about the growth of their show probably not as big as they say because you can't play the percentage game forever correct and you can't act eventually. You are which are also not necessarily the size. The show billy police laughing. They saying you just say bill. I always something about golf. No i was gonna say anything about golf to stewart and save say but woke me. I think watching golf is kinda like watching c. span. oh that's just reversal I you know what i think. Ever since they stopped letting people call in and report their own rules violations. I feel like it's less. It's less less of sport for me to watch at home. I golf coverage they'll never figure it out though like there were times i was watching it. I watch pretty much every every second masters and there were times when you just couldn't k. I wanna watch brooks live No we're going to go this fucking loser there too many rules about about who you're allowed to watch and at what time it's just. How does golf not have an option. Just give me everything. It's very simple. Just put one drone that follows every single group. So even if they're not on the main tv cameras you can at least watch them via drone right right all right. You're cool throw. Does my hot seat. Hot seat was the masters ratings by cool thrown was the fox. Nfl doubleheader ratings. All right my hot seats. Is sean payton for medical malpractice. Because after the game on sunday After he heard me say the juries actually had shoulder injury he went and punctured drew. Brees is long so broke two more and more ribs so that then everyone could dunk. No but seriously. I got that very very wrong. He still has a shoulder injury but he did dot. He has a real rib injury. I'm i'm here ready to admit that i was wrong. I fucked up. I took a back okafor. It was very it sucked because if you look at adam schefters tweet of being drew brees punctured lung and had to rib injuries. Just scroll it. I think i was tagged seven thousand times. You were very very ad. I still got to work for. I am adamant that's fine. We listen we all jump to conclusions. sometimes Took my shot missed. Took a shot. If you've if you've been right than you would look really really smart. His shoulder still Put his ribs are very four four broken ribs five broken ribs i was very raw punctured lung. He went he. He looks at long drew. That was running up the score on. He looks like he's gonna puke to field. He just say yeah well. He didn't need to come out with that. You didn't need to puncture as long to really dunk on me like i would have been fine with just. The five ribs confirmed broken. I would have been idiot. But the punctured lung made me both an idiot and insensitive idiot so a punctured lung. Seems like there's been a lot of that going around recently. Is that one of those things where whenever you break a rib too badly and ensure long a little bit or does your lung actually deflate bill. You probably know hunkered. Yes heard so. Does it deflate yet. Well you have a whole. How do you re seal the hole. They actually i think the i don't know the exact procedure but they closed of yeah. Yeah flex seal. That's the slap it on. Me's not billy bates. But junked are billy mays mike taylor. Next year. after he comes back from his punch that would be he would actually be a perfect brown. Bears quarterback. Yeah he yeah he would. He would actually maybe score some points. I don't even wanna think about the bears anymore. It's just so fucking bad All right my cool thrown. I actually don't have a to run. Billy my heart had one for you. Go i stupid. Fucking people talk about twitter. So maybe not that stupid like they hand. Make like the trump. This'll this has been contested. Whatever oh yes that's that's that's Very hot in the streets false information. I have not seen a single one of those. That has been funny. She's once i saw on under the can't lose parlay. Oh mr cool. Thrown my spreadsheet. These guys do know. I will defend this. 'cause i have the writing had the right. Did you say the polacks own five correct. Yeah the spreadsheet was that you bet the other side too so if it goes own five you hit that five parlay on the other side. Papillion their indus- you go positives or up. Thirty two dollars early. How would you wrote all you on twitter. Good amount how many. I'm kind of embarrassed about it. No just saints signed bertie forecast. Thank you. Jake likes embarrassing x. Listen to the podcast. All those people that didn't get to hear the podcast are didn't don't follow twitter. Get screwed no but it one actually go check it out because i put it how one in action proved it for next week actually is kind of really fun. Communal thing. yeah ab- crowdsource cool thrown my My parlay system Hot seat is it possible to. Is it possible to lose all your money in your parlays. No you can't lose all of it. It's impossible impossible to lose. All of you can lose some of it. You can win a lot more but you can't lose all of it or you could just bet on the games and probably not lose money. There's a chance you lose all but if you bet on every day i just do this to budget to be financially responsible because like that's good responsible responsible gambling like all right. I'm helping people be responsible. Sorry what's your what's your hot seat. Baby yoda committed genocide in other cool. Thrown ben rockies. Don't ruin hill ben. Rothlisberger asked mike tomlin if he could do the corona virus practice schedule again this week when he doesn't have which i say. Yeah dude like. I think that worked last week again. He basically got two days off work because he hung out next to someone allegedly that he thought might have self reported. He's suffering. he should hang out with. Who's the guy from. Brazil boston arrow. He's the president. Brazil keeps getting corona virus jets venture just traveled to brazil on monday. And then fly back. It'd be like. I gotta sit out for the next couple of days. Oh ben he's the best he's the absolute best all right. 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I'm told you talked to a lot of guys around the league. Is that true. How many guys like on a weekly basis. Would you say you talk to Oh yeah probably. I don't know it's probably around five a week. But i mean some weeks. You just don't wanna talk to anybody. Either and i'm sure there's plenty of times they don't wanna talk to me but now the funny thing is is you can talk and talk and talk and even guys that do this for living work for teams like you'll think something on especially in a week like this. You'll think something last week and there's multiple things that are already changed my mind on based on information so guys get paid for it and have the pressure actually having a hit send on getting stuff right way more pressure than a guy like me or anybody that just talks to people. And you're like yeah. This could be something that's happening. You know so we get off easy but it sucks when you get stuff wrong. It's yes yes. I agree drew brees. He does have a broken rip Gordon i wasn't going to bring that up on the show gonna let beforehand way. Did you guys have a breeze. Insider he had. No i was. I was woke on him. I thought his shoulder was hurt. And then they. And then sean payton further broke theresa's long to really stick it to me to make me look like an asshole. It was one of those things that take. That big cat thought sounded where it at the time. And i do those all the time so. I'm not in any position to judge. But at the time i was i think i think you might be over the skis on this shoulders. He used her shoulder. Still hurt All right let's by the way. No i'm going to interrupt you here though. Because i just i loved it. There's certain guys and i'm not even criticizing it but there are guys that are like the quickest go. Something's wrong with this dude. Like all the time. So i feel like i'm the anti like how do you know just by watching a guy that you think he's heard all the time like it happens in basketball time up. Something's wrong with this guy. Then you know he's fine. He just missed a million shots and we call that that so russell. Wilson has gotten into that territory now. It's the steph curry territory. We're steph curry so beloved. That if he has a bad game. Everyone's like well as ankle. Must be hurt russell wilson when he's starting to play bad everyone's like there's something wrong with him. You did it though you sit something wrong with joe i know he just he just kinda sucks right now as well. Yeah i think it has more to do with his defense. We had deal for on monday. And i go. What do you see and he goes. He just knows he has to chuck it up all the time because defense is so bad so all right now i see what you're doing. I'm onto it by the way you said recurring guests longtime. It's almost controversial long. How long has it been like a year over over year. Well about that you had. I'm not sure if it's When you said that the thing you said big ben's no longer elite and we're like what the fuck dude you're off the show. Big ben be cova by the way to the radar had so he came into work one day and he was. I think. I think i heard somebody sneeze at the gym on the low literally is ricky bobby. He just didn't wanna practice. Yeah he's ricky. Bobby getting stabbed in the leg when he pretends that he's paralyzed and then being like dude. You're not hurt. it's like no. I am really irt tomlin forever if there were ever an athlete. That's like you guys. Don't have home kit test kits. Yeah what like among kits acute tip in some candle wax. It got tested positive. When i'm good yeah what. nba draft. So does this draft suck or is it that we didn't have march madness and the top picks are played in australia. Guy played for shitty georgia team. A guy who got suspended from memphis and ain't no stopping obi topping and an israeli dude which one is right. You're on it the israeli dude. Yeah it's a bad draft of the top in. Maybe historically bad and i know the closer we get to this. It happens every year where it'll be a bad draft and i remember a gm telling the longtime ago. He goes drafts or like spring weddings. Where the closer you get to it the more. You're this is actually gonna be awesome. Where the entire time leading up to it. You're kind of dreading is going to be good. I don't know. I mean. I'm not big on the wedding game so i didn't fully understand the analogy but i got the point that the closer you get to every single draft the more and more people start to talk themselves into it so this has become the you know what it's not great at the top and there's a ton of depth. There's a ton of players all over the place. And i really think if you look at historically those picks and you're seeing gm says give these things away now but the picks in the late first twenty on if you get a rotation guy. That's a huge hit. There's so many misses so maybe it ends up being better draft because there's more depth than there some guys that make rotations and end up getting second third contracts which is really a lot for somebody that's outside of the lottery. That's a huge win. As much as you fall in love your guy that's picked at twenty two top. You always hope every year. There's maybe one or two guys that can really impact a franchise and i'm not saying a handful of players that are in the league. Now that truly author who you are as a team because there's not that many guys there's not there's not ten players and lead completely change your yards a team and they're certainly not even close to as many as we think there on the draft but this one has a chance to have zero. I can talk myself in and out of every one of the top. I like wiseman i've seen him play three games in college. Yeah okay that's ridiculous. That i like them much but i like them this much in comparison everybody else lamelo. I can see six seven. Six eight sees the floor really athletic. Great handle but when. I watched the twelve games that he played in the australian league. It's impressive slash gross. All the time because of his approach of the game and then even anthony edwards who we understand physically how impressive he is. You're like okay so wait. What did he do. He took eight threes a game for team. That lost all the time and didn't make any of them. So i want to actually ask questions about that because this is this might make me like a hot take old guy. But how much do you put into being on like not being able to win at college. Like anthony. edward. Like ben simmons. The lsu team didn't go to the tournament marquel full that washington team washington team was bad. Is it wrong of me to be like yo dude. If you're like the number one pick or number one number two. You should be good enough to win. Some more games in the sec. Or is that unfair. It's part of it. But i still think it's unfair. Think about mellow. When mellow came out he was the ultimate winner. Weight and houston. Still is the fucking. Check the fucking gold medals dude. You know what. I wanna hear one time when a guy's up for the hall of fame. They're like silver medallist. 'cause you know my my longstanding like the sooner you have to mention somebody a gold medal in the olympics. Their argument to make the hall of fame the worst their chances of getting the fame except art where everybody gets into the basketball hall of fame. So it's not. It's not great. But like the ben simmons stuff. I thought was always kind of weird because he was lazy right and it's not that he was lazy. That team was a mess. They had like four guys at all thought. They were an option. I don't know the coaches that great. All the time and here he was supposedly lazy and he was double digits rebounds in an sec place so if you're lazy you're not gonna rebound like that. So the edwards par is. I'm more worried about a shooting. I think the weirdest thing if you wanted to go old guy is because of steph shot range in. What's acceptable shop for him. The same thing with lillard harden even trae young. He makes a lot of those. You know from far out enough like you can keep taking because he makes enough of them. There's this entire generation of younger players seen guys pull up from thirty feet transition and they don't even care if it goes in they. Just pull up. Yeah i mean. Lamelo was twenty five percent on seven attempts per game in the twelve games. He played in australia. I can't believe there wasn't a vet. That beat him up in the locker room at halftime at one of these games i guess they were just all cool. They apparently bought the team buying it. So that might have been part of it but there's a whole there's a whole movement now of young guys like it used to be getting matter if the last second shot went in you just had to take it. Because that's what kobe did now. It's become. I'll just pull up from thirty because that's awesome doesn't go in like. Yeah but it's pretty sweet. It looks like the next iteration is gonna be a guy who can draw fouls like james harden but absolutely sucks it free throws it gets to the line like forty times. A game with with lamelo isn't a little strange to you. That lavar ball has just been completely silent for what seems like the last year and a half. Where is he is somebody is. He tied up in a basement somewhere. What's going on with that. I think he's trying to get those big baller brand orders out that haven't been fulfilled house. Yeah yeah off. Route eight and a half again. You know what i actually think. Part of it is. He probably crossed the line and a couple of things that he said were. Today's climate like some people probably didn't want to book them at least from the espn experience. He was becoming a bigger and bigger pain in the ass for the stuff he was asking for like he would call up and be like i want this car and then it was like no. I want this car and they'd get them that car and it's like i want milk and cookies. I heard a story about a milk and cookies. Requests or there. Like i fuck off like gimme a break. I was milk and cookies. That's the only thing. I would offer him to come on. Come back on pissed you guys to me recently. We've got pitched us as soon as espn stopped having them on and we were kind of. I don't think he liked snow. I think we just kept on anybody really. We kept on calling the small ball all right so in the edwards. I actually. i don't. I don't actually put that much stock into like your college team sucked. That's more of a old guy. So here's the other old guy thing by the way washington's a great call because all they ended up with all the five star skies with the fruit and they suck. I watched him all they have to. Guys that are first rounders again in jaden za five star kids six nine perimeter player. And then you watch him and you're like what happens when you go to washington. Yeah it's crazy it's that we it's the weird camera angle that always fucks me up. No seriously that's the weirdest camera angle in all sports. The water pac twelve angles that they have a weird one in football too. So here's the other old guy. Take or trying to figure this out. How much stock do you put into the difference between a nineteen year old and a twenty two year old. Because i love this. Like obi top and he's old he's twenty two and then You know who's the four steak kit williams. Right patrick william williams who probably would be a bull. He just turned nineteen in august. So he's got to go up the boards because he just turned nineteen. Do you really fall into like what month you were born matters that much i do i do. There's just enough information that backs it up. You know. I remember like the old vic by draft night when he was still on the draft. You will get super mad when keith bogans doesn't go higher because keith bogans have been around for a while and keith. Bogans is is a bad example for my point but like he stuck around for a little while a nice player. But it's like whenever anybody would get drafted older and then produced people say you know what's wrong with just take a guy that was around for a bunch of years and now you know exactly what you're getting but based on projections and the the rate of like oh. You're this young. The expected improvement. It's it's really not even debatable. Like yes there are exceptions. And that's what. I hate when people argue the exceptions but the younger you are as a prospect in this league is especially in the drop. It's so hard we've been over this many times. It's so hard and free agency. It's so hard trades that that's why you'll see teams go like. Yeah maybe i could take the twenty one or twenty two year old in. Maybe he makes my seventh or eighth slot in the rotation. And maybe i know exactly what i get. But it's so hard to add any next level talent. i'll take the younger guy and hope it works out. Yes there are tons of butts all over the place but if you look at it historically becoming the guys draft when they're younger and i remember one time. Stern was got super pissed which is rare when he was being interviewed after the playoffs. And i think it was. An international airport was like what would you say about the product. All these high school kids out there running around. He's like what like garnett. Koby lebron like on and on and on and basically stern just totally owned him by naming ten guys. That were the best players in the league. So so ryan. Wh how young is too young for you. Fifteen's young you're saying sixteen is okay. Yeah for well. Big guys fifteen. Maybe but outside perimeter players. Yeah that's your into sixteen year olds. What are you doing. Well you know a lot of times you gotta worry about the you gonna worry about the international rights which is always a problem child trafficking yup issue but then you last like i heard the new taken gonna be taken for point guards Yes yes yes isn't it. Wouldn't there be a difference between taking like an older guy who is like four or five as opposed to a younger guy who plays a different position like is there any different expected rate of improvement by position that you play i got. Are we back on the draft. Sort of i'm no. I'm talking about talking about basketball players. look i just knowing how how teams like when honest drafted. Okay when you watch. John us from the international video that you had it was like okay. He's pretty athletic. And it's cool but it looks like he was beating the shit out of junior high kids. Jim sucked. I think there was one game. I watch with renault seats now. Like i can't believe this guy is going to be in the draft. And like i don't know what to do and then there's another kid named post polka shatskikh. Whose like seven one. I think he weighs like one fifteen. Which is definitely thin. And he's playing these games. That are horrible. But with the honest. When you'd ask me milwaukee be like what did you see in the fifteenth. pick like. we could've taken somebody who's in college for a few years and known exactly we're gonna get but we just figured out you know we'll see what happens and it worked out and i love the fact that the guys that took him dan. It was jon hamm and it was with orlando now is they weren't patting themselves on the back like they did a good job. They scouted him. They were like okay. We're on this. But they still were. They didn't expect this. And i can't imagine what they saw on some of the video because the video that i had in greenwich they went to see him in person. That kind of stuff. I'm okay with teams totally screwing it up for the high ceiling guy as opposed to taking something that you absolutely no because this league is so hard add talent so you bring up jaanus. Let's go off the draft for a second. Are the boxers doing the thing that the cavs did where they're trying to Build for the future for being like. Hey we put a contender around you and then you honest is still gonna leave in a year and a half and then they basically mortgaged their entire future to try to get a guy to stay for no reason what the bucks are doing is apparently what everybody's doing now. I said at the top. Like i thought the first round picks late were little overrated. Just exciting it's exciting when it's your favorite team and it's draft night you're like oh man we got this guy at twenty four. Like what did he do. We transfer virginia tech. I bradley and then he's gone even up his third year option but now i think because teams are kind of figured out. Those picks don't mean a ton now they're just handing them out. And when you look at the box and say wait in twenty twenty seven part of that drew. Holiday deal is a twenty-seven unprotected. Pick that to me is insane slash irresponsible sports. How many times have you thought you knew. Exactly who the next team was going to be for the next five years and then all of a sudden you go wait what happened. Remember when they were the new thing. I mean it happens in every single sport but with basketball the think here. We are seven seven drafts from now. There's this pick that's completely unprotected that pick by itself could somehow ended up being worth what drew holiday is at sceptres to other picks that are unprotected and then two other swaps so they clearly went all in with us and i know i sound naive and i'm not because you clearly keeping you. Honest is the most important thing but what would be wrong with the honest going. Hey i actually do want to stay. Don't give fi. I for a guy that you have one year of control of right. It feels like they're doing the desperation thing when you just sit down and i've heard you talk about this before in the bronx did this to the cavs where he let left them in limbo and left them being like well. We don't really know what to plan for here because lebron leave. You could stay leave like it's weird that no teams. Just sit down and like jaanus. Are you leaving. are you staying. And if you're staying we're gonna do. We're gonna trade five i to convince you or we could just talk about it right now. Lebron would never talk to anybody about it ever. I mean if you're management and you think lebron's going to tell you anything he has on his own and he will gladly let you trade for a million contracts and then he will bounce what it has worked out for the bronze so i'm not even knocking him for but this. This league has become the opposite of any kind of collaboration whatsoever. And so you have a ton of gm's especially now. With so few sellers you have a lot of gm's overpaying because of the seller buyer ratio and the fact that so many guys are operating fear like i. I was surprised that people knocked phoenix forgiving as much as they did. And i'm like well first of all they get off rubio's money they get chris paul. And if you're a stale franchise it gets differ for every franchise if you're a team like phoenix real like okay. We've got booker aid in. Those guys might be really good but the logger. We not making the playoffs. One of them like it pissed off. And maybe it'll be booker. Which i mentioned a couple of weeks ago and then you're like all right. We'll do we really like. We get pro chris paul all of a sudden we matt away. We haven't mattered in years. So let's just go ahead and do it makes more sense but i really for some of these organizations that have this gun to their head to overpay for all the stuff when all they had to do was of be more on the same page with the guys decision. Like a janas it. Just if i were honest be like wait. So what happens if three years. We don't have any picks to trade and i resigned. Got rid of all the pics and now we have less than trade deadline. We can't move a first for somebody because we gave him away through two thousand twenty seven. I don't understand why people think this is normal. If if the if the idea was to make these trade to keep you honest. Long-term it actually is counterintuitive. Liana should not stay now. Long-term in milwaukee should be happy that they're trying to win right now but long term it should be like no we don't have any assets or it could just been like almost from a pr standpoint. The team shows that they're willing to make this big little they with the broadway knowing that john might leave at the end of his contract and then they're like look. We did everything that we could. Yeah to keep him around. We even tried to make our alternate jerseys. Look like the miami heat jersey so who was playing built a whole new stadium. Yeah we built it on the water so he thought we tricked him until told him to the atlantic ocean. So yeah i could be like a pr move. But i question for you about. Because i think you and i have the same. Take about james watt. Even though you know a lot more about basketball than i do which is he. Looks awesome when he dunks. He looked just when he was playing in those three games. His dunks were like that. That's a dude that could be dunking on people that are at least six inches taller than they are on that. Same court And then obviously he's you know he could be positioned be picked by the warriors But do you think that the warriors are even going to take everything that he's going to be put on the move. I don't know that the trades every minnesota's pick was apparently salable golden state's was apparently available. And i think a lot of the outside always say oh. Why don't they just traded the pick the pick like okay for who and what and who's available bradley beal number one in bad draft gets done for bradley beal. And then you have to worry about is bradley beal. Because that's the other part is that we could sit here named guys. It's like okay but if you trade for somebody who then has immediately go. I don't want to be here and you're just inheriting somebody else's problem. But why has been the thing i like about him is yes the size and all that stuff he catches everything so i if he's this big guy that can stay on the floor at the end of games which is what you need now especially out west. And if were golden state would think it would almost make sense roster wise but it's still asking a lot of acute who played three games at memphis to be closing playoff games in the western conference but the league small and then it got big again. I mean you have to figure out a way to deal with anthony davis and that size in the bron- basically is bigger than every other wing like. It's a real problem and it was basically hopeless. Thought from the miami heat with the way they were bill even with those injuries. I didn't really think they had enough in that front line. But wise also has another level. That i don't know if he's going to get to but he'll show it with his handle. He'll show a really soft touch almost had some of these offensive. Small forward skills. You start to get really really excited about the downside of it is there'll be moments where you can see. It's not natural like you'll have the ball and then we'll think through all the different things that you could potentially do. It's almost like a slow download speed and you're like all right so i've caught myself probably too many times like strom. All swift is my all timer was like this guy is going to be nasty. And then you're like rather dunks are nasty. But he's not great at the basketball part of this and it doesn't. It doesn't really work out tyrus. Thomas big cat knows through the roof just on and then he liked to bring the ball up at lsu like he started showing all these perimeter skills you go. Oh my god and people loved him. He was a late riser and it was just like look. He's got perimeter skills this insane. He's a tier one. Nba athlete as soon as he's in the league. But i try to catch myself and go okay. But how good is he at basketball like he could at the basketball part like patrick williams at florida state. He looks incredible until you watch him. Dribbler shoe which are big deals. So maybe somebody figures it out and that's why this still is so hard so any of these guys at the top if we were sitting here in five years ago. Hey why's men's the tenth guy on a team and he never figured it out. I'm not going to be shocked by that either. And that's why the top of this is different. Whereas i on comes in the only thing was ever gonna hold zion back his own conditioning in health because of science healthy he's going to dominate in this league. We just it was so much more obvious. A guy like that compared to anyone here at the top. Yeah see wiseman should just get fat. He should intentionally get fat. I've been arguing for a while. We need dude with a a big like shack. Ask body to just eat up. Space back people down. Because you don't have to be as good at basketball if you're seven foot one and three hundred pounds so this post play. Is that what you're saying. This post play. I missed the nineties days. Back when you had you had guys like akeem olajuwon that knew how to do a skyhook and you how to use a pivot foot nowadays just all three pointers and dunks for me. Said you're terrific terrific post player terrific up. Put that up against anybody but then. Yesterday i was telling big cats guys hitting on me at hoops trying to ask me to play with him was weird. 'cause you back down too hard. They're sending the wrong signal now. Just say they saw me shooting around a little bit. And i was trying to be kobe's safe so i didn't really want to play pick up with anybody anyway but i just want to get some shots up a little sweat in and i think they were high as faulk they. They've been. I think one guy was playing at sandals but he was really nice but then he was. They were asking me how much i weighed. They had bet on it. Which i thought was kind of cool and complementary it so i was like i don't know what to tell you so i told my and they got excited and then it just immediately went into you. Want to join you. Want to join my buddies and a text thread and we can. We can pick. And i like no. I actually don't want to give you my cell phone number. Just be around. You basically just met the west coast. Billy football because that's something billy. Football would absolutely say like yoga. How much she way like. I'm looking at you right now. You look pretty solid. I don't know what's up with billy. Football's arms. I thought he said question ryan so he joined to. He doesn't have his he doesn't have had joined a team. And then he cut his sleeves off and then he chose you only guy in the office that is bigger arms scenario. Looks like he's got a little earthworms hang from. He hasn't done curls in days. It's bad he s set your arms. Billy russillo allow bench you. One hundred percent you mentioned out is once you get out of high school. You don't max a ton. I'm out of college. Max knowing bench more than me you probably chen man i saw. I don't know what do you. What are you max will right now. I'm probably hovering around two eighty five. Max brag about that was fucking put up three fifteen three times a day fucking around a couple of years. Sir you probably short arm guts man. No not a short arm guy. Got this now the part but my posting six. It's stupid thing is. I'm sure that right actually knows exactly. What his wingspan yes. Those tactics got a new fighter chart on his wall. That's in the draft. Notice six six wingspan. It's stupid silly. Stri can't believe you're at two eighty five numbers now. Yeah my squad was my best. Lift your squad. Numbers over four forty cast. Great man some chocolate. When you're forty five okay to anyway to eighty five. I didn't know bench guy who was no. But to eighty-five don't go was ways. Now night confident. I assumed you were gonna say like three sixty five or something like that. Not come go out in public. You represent us and you're telling people you bench to eighty five. That's embarrassing do well now. I mean i'm not like. I dropped like you guys make fun of me for being fat so i don't like i my body weights lower so i like shoe forty like benching more but then everyone's oh bowie football talk. I gotta drop weight. I'll be honest. i don't care how fat you are if you can throw up three plates. Then i'm fine with that. I've been in the past. I'm just. I'm disappointed with that in rhyme. Just being like i was fucking around this morning and throughout three fifteen. He wasn't even bitching serious dude. He was warming up having a laugh. Anyway plus live with billy by the way. Don't let them get clearly. They're getting your head. Don't worry about the big big is in. Yeah well yeah. But this is a different work dynamic. I think we can all agree on that and by the way when when big cat says you represent us. Van pelt said that to me one night scolded the shit out of me and it sucked to hear but it also wasn't a lie. Yeah and then later on. I was like hey then but later on you become your own person you go. I don't wanna hear that. Well what did you do to have him. Say he bench to seventy five to eighty five. I told them i told somebody. Fuck off the longtime. I could maybe hit three hundred. Yeah the excuses are coming right ryan. What'd you say but you told me to fuck off. I tell somebody to fuck off one night and he. He didn't really love it. So whatever as long story. But it was fair starring but it was fair. But yeah billy seriously man. You're you're you do have long arms your arms from this angle look better. I'm trying to build you up a little bit. But you can't if you can't put up three fifteen right now. Do you shouldn't start like step into other guys about max now. Billy's you already knew this. You already knew this bill. I love you guy ryan. I know you've you've probably had those guys in in at espn. So dion wants told us it was a very apt thing like about the locker room dynamic. He's like there's at least two guys in every locker room. That's an. I love you guy where you have to check in with him and be like. Hey man i love you like straight up. I love you just so that they don't go crazy. That's billy no no guy by any means. It sounds like you did. Your mom tom brady is making love to the in tonio brown to keep playing football keeping living in his house. He's the ultimate. I love you guys youtube. This is awesome because every time it sounds like big cats gonna complement billy. It's not not. And then every now. And then i might be podcasting. I love you guys know philly for real dot caster world. I mean hank cut cut this part. I love you dude. I don't believe that. Yeah i love you for real anyway. I do like billy though i do. He's got a big influence on me when i was eighteen and we came to. Espn he doesn't wanna hear that. Oh bill because now the the copley looked up to only bitch to eighty-five five. What was the big influence. Well i just like we went to his show and who like really like big firm house like it was like i was. It was so cool to see like what was going on. It was like a big moment in my okay. You're leaving. you're leaving out a very important part. You didn't know who i was. I i. i'm i was eight. I don't listen to the radio eighteen. But now i'm like i got into that world like wow like like podcasting is a gateway drug to radio. Yeah this is what is your best in. Show it's sting or no zulehner sting is one of my heroes. I don't really listen to. I was like wow. This is really cool out of be like this. When did you bring fifty. When did you like really start. When did your bench. I'm gonna right. I'm gonna look understand how i'm gonna tell you the story right now. Perfect keep this in. I can't believe we ended up on. This whatever i was skinny skinny skinny. Okay like and that's why. I always think it's ridiculous that like if you call somebody fat. That's like hey you shouldn't do that too. Fat people were the skinny rights where getting people rights like. No one ever thought about skinny people. I got. I mean. I hadn't happened to grow like a specialist at some point. I was so skinny. And that's also another thing that's happened where they're still guys in college. College fill out a little bit like one. Eighty five one ninety towards the end but my friends get so mad when everybody thinks i'm like this epoch tough guy now because i'm big and i don't smile which is probably just all because i don't have hair and it's all sort of some way to compensate. It's some connection but one guy in an email. Thread got super mad. When somebody was talking about how tough i was. He's like. I'm so fucking sick of hearing about this like you were nothing in college and i'm like i'm not saying it. I'm admitting it like none of us. We went to vermont. No one ever kicked any of our asses. It didn't matter because there was no one there so the point is is that i got sick of that to the point where i was like is this is it and i feel that at like twenty six and then for whatever reason there was one day and never forget boston. Sports club watertown. I put onto twenty five. Which i can only do a few times and then i asked the guy for spot and i did it thirteen times for an and the guy thought. I was messing with them. Because i was like. Hey can i get a spot. He's like how many we'll just see how it goes. I'm like hopefully a few good ones and it. Just i don't know it was like some magic trick where all came together so for the people out there. That don't have that strength right now. Sometimes everybody's late. I was a super late bloomer. In every reason like right at twenty eight it was an all. My man's strength happened and then it was. Just you know off the charts now. I'm heard all the time. But that's just because i don't want to lose any so it was just that one day or from that point on you you like that point on body. It was so weird from that point on it was never. It was never the same. Wasn't like the next time. It was a fluke. I couldn't it so weird. And i'll never forget the guy looked at me. Like what are you fucking with me like you need a spot. 'cause i was just like no no. Don't touch it and i was like. Oh my god. It was like the eighties movie. Just awesome all of a sudden so right now. Billy's too polite to be asking this question. But i can see the wheels turning on his head. Yup billy wants to ask you what type of steroids you took before you hit the gym. That day he's not gonna ask schizophrenics your nipples where was very correlation with The hair loss. No it started coming out in o-on in was the first time a buddy did like there was a weird angle at a house party and he was like is one of those guys. His hair was thinning. I was at that point. The guy in the group. I was always a young guy in the group and then i magically became the old guy into group which happens i guess but he was like whoa zillow russillo hold on hold on hold on and i'm like what like what did i do. And it was front of everybody at the party in like he had me sit down at a bar stool by the kitchen. Island started examining it from up. Top was like dude. You're going to go ball. And i was like no. I'm not and i remember. There was a hairdresser that i would go to a. Hey sometimes i feel like it's fallen out like what's going on back there. She's like she's like you just have really thin hair. It's not a big deal. And then the girl i was seeing at the time was already like of prospecting a bit like a gold mine. She's like what do you think you would do if you did like. You probably get it fixed right. You'd probably get plugs or something on. I was like yeah definitely and then for whatever reason. I didn't try to get propecia from a doctor in boston. And it was like the best combo i was like. Hey my shoulders kind of messed up. I'd like to start training differently. And i also like propecia. He's like no no. And then i lost all my hair. Have you thought about becoming the whig guy yet. you pay. I would love to have a toupee. I just can't believe there's never been a pro whig face ever right right. Have you been there. Hasn't been like you know. Hey remember when we were in the late nineties every ryan. Because i think everybody's waiting for someone brave enough to be the first guy to do it. I want to do it. I want to go bald. So i can have it. You pay and like dare ponce bring it up. No seriously. I want people to be like you got you pay. What the fuck you talking about you. This all real what. You showed up backwards. Yeah i warned. Dare people could say something. Dude say something about my to pay. I know you're have you ever called somebody out for a toupee noticing them. Yeah no but local ravage you call ravaged bill self lewke the ball guys now days like they give off low key like vibes which russillo. I feel like. I've never taken steroids by the way data. Billy you don't have to. You don't have to take steroids. I never did so. You want to be on his podcast by the way i like. Billy billy's podcast is literally who's taking steroids. That's the name of the podcast. And you just guess who's taking. Steroids comes out every day. He looks at the most recent shirtless pictures of guys like athletes that came out and he examines the nipples. Your phillies onto something. Because know the next the next asshole. That goes how i got ripped during the pandemic and it's like on hollywood reporter and men's health and all this stuff and you're like you just did a fucking cycle. Yeah it's such a bad. It's such a bad like oh would you. Venture got ripped in the last two weeks and you just like you know what it's totally unfair to the rest of us. That are all natural and it just planting guys like billy. It's in his it his head constantly need to be looking at at at hawkeye's lattes yeah standing standing up for your blues that guy recently who got ripped on their mind. Ron coleman no mike tyson. Yeah i sent my of mike tyson billy. Last night i was like check out his nips. Let me know what you see. And he's like well. He did steroids back in the nineties. Well he's always talking about how steroids don't make boxers. Good it's all scales again. Steroids could make it good. Yeah i'll tell you what it puts. It makes you get in really good shape pretty quickly if you're about to fight. 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It's anthony edwards because edwards is bigger and very athletic and all that kind of stuff but rj worry about being out of shape. His high school numbers are insane. He reclassified so you're out earlier. I got to talk to him. He he told us on the pod. He's like you know what i was going to go to kansas. Which i thought was pretty interesting because he caught a ton of heat from duke fans. I think do fans got more mad about it than anybody else. Where is if we were doing. Seating of sixty four types of people would would have one seed be adult who goes after recruits on facebook when they turned down their school one seed. that's a strong to seed. I think for me the number one. He's always going to be adult male seekers that and then so that's that's come with the luggage. And then sometimes they'll make kids run up to the yards and try to get the autographs one seed in the east. I think one seed in the mid west is dude who updates his team's record in his twitter bile or the twitter handle on ironically. Almost it say if you have a teams record in your your your handle or the more emojis the worst the content. It really is amazing. Aries moon fire thumbs up and be like okay. You're on top of every piece of breaking news. You always have stuff to say about that. Have you guys ever had to deal with autograph. Seekers it only selfies. Do we wondered on almost all selfish which are not bad. Because you know that the person just wants a picture with you right if it's an autograph secret which you see at the super bowl sometimes and these guys are just like the slimy weird. I don't know what they crawl out of. But they're just really strange guys that you absolutely know at some point did a bid for some weird shit and they're just like sitting there with their stack of merchandise senator little minions out to runners from like their oliver twist orphans creeps me out. You know what that's a cousin of now that it's pop in my head that's cousin of dad. Who has his kid take a picture with the cheerleaders with clearly for him to look at later. Yeah see that happening. You're like whoa. I'm sure they're wondering why the hooters waitress like. Hey tommy go ahead take a quick picture real quick like it's just a little eight year old with with all these cheerleaders. Then he's going home and he's looking at that picture he hasn't figured out this. Mr skin exists. Yeah no that's a good one. Like i remember coming home. Sometimes when i was younger. I turned the tv on be like wise club. Mtv on what's what's her name brooke. Whatever with e. wild on wild on terroristic. Yeah but also brooke something fuck. Brooke burke park yup. What about legend. What about guys that re tweet porn onto the timeline Like see see like a ten second clip porn. I gotta share this on. Their favorite porn stars amazon wishes. You'll never i gotta say born cat fishing right now on both Instagram twitter or out of control. They pick up around the holiday season. You help somebody who's been by himself for quite a while. I've had moments where. I was like all right like catfish right now. Like all right. And then. I got one on christmas rush. Limbaugh and i was like on christmas christmas. You had to do this. But what i love when you'll see like okay. Who followed by like okay. This seven different people here and all the pictures are posted in the last thirty minutes. And then i'll see like they follow you and pf. And then craig kilborn will be follow or something like that and then you'll see one of the dudes follow back up. Horn horny alert there. There are a handful of guys that we work with here in the office that no matter. What if there is if there. If there's a girl that tweets at you and you go to a profile. They're always followed by one of its. Instagram is in the hot chick. It's always glenn e balls like this picture. Yeah i actually less off likes it just like a problem with. I think there's times when you're like this seems a tad sketchy that this guy. That's a very important decision maker is following every weathergirl in new mexico The gambler needs to know what what is gonna look like on saturday amid talent and talent evaluation you know how is the best part about art like our job where everything is out in the open and we can't really like. Espn if you caught. I don't know if you caught. Svp following a porn star. People like holy shit. It's like i fall porn stars. People try to get me every now. And i'm like yeah dude. I follow them like yeah. Yeah you guys have. There's no one can come in you guys with any of that stuff just like brand. It's kind of liberating to have a combination of expectations be so very low but also just like all our dirt in the open you you can't you can't use her five years ago. What who still do sweet. Yeah that was good familiar. Wait right my biggest question. I have for you. Is there any stopping. Ob topping the only stop and be top himself. Probably right god you fucked that up father. Time ain't no stopping obi topping i. How much do you put into a team needing to They're they're the blogger who covers them needing to sell t shirts how much you put that into draft stock because i really just want obi topping on the bull so i can sell. Ain't no stopping top shirts. You could probably still sell them you go. Rj hamptons dad. Which i believe the story goes that whenever there was a chance he was gonna sign with a team his dad would show up with. Rj hampton on a t shirt with that team's name on it and then sell them so we sell them to like duke and memphis in kansas. And that makes me that to me is not a red flag. That's a smart smart. This is he's gonna have some of that. Dna and pick everything out. Obi beat on college kids and yes. He's a little bit older but the way he would post and destroy people and the transition dunks when you watch him and it's it's unbelievable but he's somebody who i worry about a little bit of like all right how much of this transfers over the nba and defensively when you start to hear all. He was bored and he was just getting ready for the professional i can. It's definitely like well. I would have would have liked to see him. Be less bored in some of these games. So he's all over the place and that's kind of the story the top of the draft. You had me. I do i take solo for a week not a week. A week would be a long time where i could be sitting in a different suit on either side like trashing a guy or totally building a guy up and that's just how wild the top of this is that actually sounds like a great show. I would watch all right so then. Give us your top five. Give us your top five like just straight guy. Well let me pull up my files here now. The urge ryan this is different from mock draft. Correct so you can't ever be checked on this because it's just all the t. Wolves are going to do this. It's literally if you had one through five. How would you rank by the way when we put this clip out having knock on the graph yeah. Pa different. You know what. I'm going to give you my top four and then my fifth one is going to be no one else's top five and i'm just going to say because i like him that much i kinda can't understand why not all right so it's been it's edwards. It's halliburton and i'm gonna put lamelo in there just because of the ceiling and the chance that this. This could actually work out. I think congo should be mentioned with this group. I do like danny. i love cairo. lewis from alabama. Okay so he's number five. I'm gonna put him five just to be So we a few years. If i kill it with this you'd be like oh my gosh. I can't believe russillo call that more often than not. It'll get forgotten whether or not it works. I mean let's be honest. This interview the biggest takeaways. Billy benches to eighty five. That's what everyone's going to remember. That's what we're talking about over three hundred four now. You set the term limits being right now when you ask ryan how much the benches right. Now you could say you could give us all your hot takes. There's only one thing that's leading this interview. I two eighty five. I was trying to avoid. Try to avoid it. And then it's like it's embarrassing billy. By burying branching like five hundred also likes to discuss all right. so we'd so james watson and then i also encourage mba. Are you like if is james harden really going to go to. The nets is that the most hated team on paper of all time. I love durant. I wish he didn't like kyrie but even the people that liked durant were like. I hope it happens because he already like to me. He and kyrie hit it off some nba weekends and there were like. Let's go do this. And i still can't wait. I don't want that to be disturbed to watch that. Also not work because kyri. It's so perfect. The people that stick up for him or the people that he hasn't played for right so it's like who who knows it better. The people that were in and i don't care that he left boston. I care that he handled it as unprofessional as you could have. And i'm not even talking about lying to an arena full of people before the season starts saying if you'll have me back. There's another way to do it besides if you'll have me back i'd love to stay here but towards the end. He was like boston's actually done a really good job. Not letting all the negative stuff getting out. Because i think the celtics franchise don't want to be seen as the guys that are just dumping on somebody being petty because then they don't wanna make it be like. Oh that's how they treat their players after they leave but if harden were to go there because there is so much anti katie stuff because he went to the warriors. Even though i love him. That doesn't bother me as much. I get it the kyri stuff. You've already been over and harden who think about this everything houston did was because of you. They ran a style. That made you one of the most prolific players in the history of this game. But i also think houston style is almost the best instagram filter. Maybe billy can help us with this. I don't know what it is. Is it gingham where when you go play in houston system when it's hard and you're twenty five percent you just are like they. I mean think about all the guys that are like me and austin rivers is pretty good. Look daniel house disguise. Sick covington looks like a terrific player. All of a sudden. I don't even know what compels gonna look like not being with a guy like harden and so they go and get chris paul daryl. Moore's trying anything he can't he's got this system. it's working at least from a regular season standpoint. They went sixty games two years ago. He realizes he doesn't wanna play with paul. Paul van exactly really wanna play with him. They trade him for westbrook they give up all of these picks in the future to take on russell westbrook and his extra money even though polls the better player and yes. He's older shorter money and they do that for them. And just because they didn't let hardened chime in on the silas hiring which is hilarious too. Because there's these reports that both west and heart have been super. Respectful of stephen silas is hiring except for where they won't talk to them and they both want out. Okay cool yeah other than that. It's been awesome. And so they do. This westbrook deal which is clearly not going to work in is a bad financial investment and now harden is to the point where he's like. Yeah i want out. But i only want to go to one team. The only reason. I want to have it happen. It's it's twofold. I can't wait to see what it is in brooklyn because you still. It's still about acquiring talent so everybody would probably do it. Especially if you're giving up the pieces that brooklyn will reportedly giving up. But then i wanna see houston fans that have come at me for seven six seven years i would say maybe five not eight but for a really long time arguing as i've said hey i don't like watching this. I don't think it works. It actually came very close. So i give them credit for that but harden is propped up probably about like twenty five thirty percent which is absurd usage rates. Do you realize it hard and last year of all the players in the nba of every offensive. houston possession. He had the ball in his hands for just over fifty percent of the time so every time houston was on offense. The ball was physically in his hands for over fifty percent of the time. Now you could say well that's great. Look at what all the production all the stuff that he put up. But i'm not even sit like he's terrific. he's awesome. he's healthy he. He plays every game he gets to the rim. He's got this body that holds up. He can make incredible shots. But it's very clear. At least to me and i don't i don't know i'm more people say this. The you almost have to shave off like twenty five percent of it so to then see what he'll be like with two other guys kyri who needs the ball durant. Who doesn't can do everything because we saw it in golden state. I actually kind of want to see it happen now. Even though i can't believe like harden. Mike get his way by saying i won out after i helped create this thing. I'm part of the shortcomings. Thanks for all the pics you move. Hey good luck on having westbrook at forty seven million a couple of years. I want to leave. But i only want to be traded to one team. So i've also destroyed the fucking trade market right. So what about mike d'antoni because he's on that coaching staff out there presumably he would be on board with that but he would also know firsthand all this stuff about james harden his fit in houston like what why would it make sense for him to want in theory to bring hard into to brooklyn because if there's one thing that's been constant about this league is that every time you have a chance to add a special player a top ten player even the worst the most anti hard person. You can't put this guy outside like the top seven or eight. I just when you start saying he's more productive than jordan. You're like okay. Relax with daryl. Morey he's argued in the past which. I doubt argue. Now that it's not tweeting about the rockets all time. But why wouldn't you wanna be with d'antoni like what if dantonio hooked him up in twenty. Let them do whatever he wanted no. I don't see where that would be a problem from the other end like dantonio. Tony doesn't matter. He's a relevant. He's irrelevant in this thing. He's he's an assistant coach. And you add the player and you worry about it later and they've been times where you go and this may not work you add the player because it's already get these players and then you go. Hey didn't work after year. Now we're gonna go ahead and trade somebody else which is why i'm wondering if kyrenia signing off on this because you would i mean i can never forget trying to figure out kyrie but i could actually see him not loving it at all because now all of a sudden he's he's going to be off the ball a lot more. Yeah it's if it happens. It's the most leichhardt the rockets and then harden demanding a trade to the nets would be the most this league like everyone freaking out and then i saw hardened did the D- do instagram story. last night. We took off the no cap which is just this league yet. Boom boom autumn a sponsored post for body armor. Oh he turned down. Fifty million dollars Sponsored back smart. Guy mike actually in there. Well what's the strip club situation. Like in in brooklyn i think is that great nude new york is a terrible strip club. Town disease scores yet. Just hard even know that someone should tell them. I don't hang out in brooklyn very often. I went to go visit. Big cat wants and we walked around to a couple different bars and none of them had. Tv's i'd heard of any of the beers. I think one had drapes over the windows. And i just went this brooke. Is this what it's like in brooklyn. Yeah couldn't tell who was bartending. And who was there. I always tell people. I have more. I have more taliban in my home than any bar in brooklyn as it's not a lie. Yeah remember that that that. Snl skit were feral. And it's that that play called red ships of spain. No no this is probably too old for you guys. They had this thing where it was like. They did an ad for this musical and it was called red ships of spain and then it was stupid but it was still working in what killed it. Was they started doing reviews. They were reading out the reviews. The new yorker says i just went up on stage and walked around and nobody even cares. That's what it feels like in some of those spots in brooklyn you're like am i. Am i actually on for the next hour. What's going on here. Yeah all right last question for me. the final questions brought to you by cross country mortgage america's crazy good mortgage company go to lens dot com slash. Take to learn more about your future. Home by experience or refinancing needs equal housing opportunity. Craziest thing that you see happening or you're hearing so this is actually based on fact. Not just like who i like like. Who's going to be the big mover. Give me something. Give me some juice. Give us some juice that people can go pawn it off and pretend it's there Inside source have burned so many times on this. Because i'll just casually kind of something you're hearing we just do one. That's horrible and see if it happens. Okay do it. I'm hearing the celtics. Going to sign larry bird with their mid level. Okay could happen. A little corner. Threes winning attitude understands. The franchise understands the culture Okay that one. john works. What who the ball's gonna take for real. They're gonna take the floors heard. I've heard that's where patrick william starts. Yeah part of me really wants to watch. Zach levine. Lamelo ball play together now. That would be interesting. And i would be cool with. Ob top and just so. I could say it are you. Are you a kobe. White guy or is it just based on hope. 'cause already it's funny. How lee kind of talks about him is accepted like he's not really point he's really more of a backup which is not what you want to hear. Yeah i'm a the whole bowls. Rosser sucks guy. I'm pretty much like get rid of everyone. Except one carter reum outlawry. I'm out on him. I still hold out so much. Hope for wendell. It's prophetic yeah. Keep him in the get rid of everyone else. I've got a dump. Take you tell me why this dumb i. I was watching some film today of halliburton. He looks like he stinks at shooting but they go in. What's up with that. That's exactly what i said. Everybody it looks terrible. He doesn't get off the ground. It's the shot put off the front of the shoulder and it goes in. It's forty one percent. Albert's are really really nice player. The problem is back to that. Original rule is if you're up high in the draft. You go man we could probably plug this guy and play right away and he makes a ton of sense like look at golden state golden state. Halliburton would probably fit in better with them tomorrow than any other player in the draft. But if they decided to say we're just going with anthony edwards because he projects to be what he is with that size and all this thing we can fix a shooting and he's going to have a million open shots like that's why i don't get on the gm's there's some things that all of us will be critical of. But that was the times where i go. Okay yeah i'm inside with you even if you get wrong. I completely understand the rational. The rationale of deciding to take a guy like that over halliburton who fits in with them. Halliburton can play with the ball. And off the ball. Probably better than any of these other gardens. It's also nice for the job security as a general manager not going to be an issue but just like taking a guy that is like right off the bat you know he's a development guy so you can't really be judged on that draft pick for another three years and then you've got three years to maybe luck out on another pick so you just hope that he dropped like thirty. One time in the middle of february. Never gonna be like see. He's improving. That's one of the many reasons why so many people hated hanky and philadelphia. Because you talk to a guy that'd be like okay so let me get this straight like i'm gonna lose my job. I don't make the playoffs this year. Because i've had injuries for a couple of years in this motherfucker fuckers going. Hey in years six figure it out. Yeah so i mean there was not. There is not a lot of co workers on that one going. Yeah i really respect this whole thing like you know there's taking and then there's having i think they had six different hoyas on that bad hoyas team on the roster at one point. That's always the only time. I'll allow the would kentucky beat dot dot dot that sixers team that i think one ten games and had eight or nine guys play. That never played in league ever again. Might be the only time like when kentucky was loaded with lottery picks that it's even it's even worth having a conversation about sam hanky special special person i Ryan thank you. We know you're busy. Ever listen to ryen russillo podcast. You probably already do. And we gotta get you and billy to lift together at some point soon. Absolutely i I'm i'm not down billy. I've never been more up there. We go. I think billy just needs to maybe just to see somebody else be able to lift more than And then he'll realize. Maybe i can do it too. Yeah exactly. today's the first day of the rest of your life billy air. 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If there's like the girlfriend or boyfriend you know like a hampton understand with saying you. Gotta you gotta go to clamp down on when your girlfriends there's definitely you know the the guy who always has a girlfriend of the girl who has a boyfriend there's the opposite and that's what you are and that's a dangerous spot to be in because you're just always like the third wheel on every single date. That's that's kind of an awkward spot. It's also just never a good idea. If you never have anybody to report back to about anything turned loose on the world yes yes. Everyone needs a little bit of an anchor from time to time yes hello. Pmt squad but especially may be billy question mark. I'm a college freshman in my school. Is virtual this year. There's a really cute guy in one of my classes. So do you have any tips slash pickup lines. They can use to slide into zoomed. Dm's thank you very much in love. The show Best way is to just go. Jeff toobin just get caught playing the tuba just spending the dj track. Who is asked. Yeah yeah flicking the bean real quick on the zoom meeting. Zoom zoom will relate to this but zoom classes sucked because during class. You're not looking at everyone's faces all time but on zoom class. You're seeing everybody's face so you can't really get away with anything zones always seeing. Yeah can't pick your nose. Yeah can actually jack off. It's terrible that does suck billy legit. I haven't even thought about how much it must suck to have to take classes. Really hurry classes. Going actually really well. Yeah i'm gonna notice when you're talking to silly like college. I'm about to be You said that you're out. I still in college still in college. Oh god i will make sure boy. Gradual grades might be a little too good and that's why are not able to bench anymore. that's actually. You're turning into a nerd. Maybe what are you for your graduation party. How else you. Something said yeah. Let's do something really sick. Maybe we all go to heading to petting zoo in vain. You guys fuck you guys. If we get a petting zoo for billy's birthday even though i wanted to petting zoo a my birthday for the first four years we superbowl graduate. One fucking petting zoo in our birthday. Yeah that'd be we're thirty three. It'd be sick you can make twenty six. Hey supple especially dad cat. Every time i get on social media seems like another girl. I know has accidentally got pregnant. During covert and quarantining. My pregnancy anxiety is out of fucking control. The past five months. I've had five periods and i'm still absolutely paranoid about being pregnant. I'm almost twenty six so in theory. It won't be a huge scandal. But i'm also having but also having baby would ruin my life. How do i make pregnancy anxiety. Go away any tips for how to avoid pregnancy other than abstinence because congrats to me on having sex blowjobs get pregnant. And you won't be anxious about whether you're going to get pregnant. I would say you can't have but babies Doesn't exist prego anxiety. I so i'm kind of the same way. Even though i'm thirty six years old almost if i if i see somebody on facebook that i went to high school with and they've been married to their boyfriend or girlfriend for the last eight years and they're pregnant by one of my first reaction is like. Oh my god did that. Was that an accident or they. What are they going to do with it. And it's like no we've been trying to get pregnant for five years and five. Did we spent ten thousand dollars getting a therapist and figure out how not aged in the last ten years. Yeah i mean a lot of people pay shit load of money for that type of surgery. That's true you should start selling it on instagram. Swipe up some be like. Here's my anti-aging cream. It's pretty sweet are two more. Hey big cat. Pf hank and jake started dating my boyfriend last year near seniors in high school. He was the star quarterback in the football team which was really cool and recruited to play college. But he just told me. His coach asked him to switch wide receiver. being wide. receivers girlfriend is much less appealing than being quarterback's girlfriend. How long do i have to dump him without it being obvious. It's not about him being quarterback in him doing now do it now. 'cause you know what he's actually love him said he's got them. He's a wide receiver. But he's really just gonna get on a couple of random special teams players. Like what else has he been hiding from you at that point. You can't really trust them. Or maybe maybe it's just stay close to him and maybe he'll get drafted by the patriots and then they'll use one trick lake. I last one Sub hank big daddy cat and taller than average dad of the goodest boy leroy my twenty one year old boyfriend won't stop talking my wanting to buy crocs cool but i think they're the worst pairs of shoes to ever be made. Every time i talk badly about crocks get so pissed off and wants to buy them even more if he buys them. I'll be so turned off. What are you guys. Thoughts cannell crocs are sick cross. Might be making a comeback now. We we got sent crocks. I think it was burdock. Send us some over the summer. And i wore them for the entire summer. I really. they're really good taste. I mean i wasn't really. I was at the beach. They're gonna run outside real quick for something you're grilling and you just want to put something onto from your kitchen. It's outside or if you're in a hurry or whatever to do something but I took a picture one time in my crocks and i posted. I think it was on instagram. And some people are like oh dude you. you're rocking them in sport mode. Like where you flip the heal thing. And then he goes from what casual than slides. Yeah so the back when you have the back of it in portland because you're driving an audi. Yes exactly where when you hit that on the open highway. You're fuck the gas mileage. Those buttons always. They're not really. they don't do anything. Although i was driving silverado around and i hit one of those random buttons and it was like lowering trailer now and i was like probably did do so on the silverado. They actually every other car does. Have you ever been in a saab. And then there's all kinds of random buttons and don't do shit in one thousand nine hundred volvo one time and it was like you want to enter into into sport. Traction was like fuck. Yes i do. And i drove thirty five miles an hour of school right. So that's i liked it. I liked crocs true sport they do. Yeah we a rockin crocks sport mode great for two. It is all right. Those would be the most normal pair of shoes. That you own. Billy between your. Oh you are wear normal shoes but yeah timberlands wi fi wise guys on chicks just roast billy. Every week it's not those nothing about you all right. Let's finish up with the numbers but let's all go around. Say some nice about billy. No billy go check on my spreadsheet can win. You might say something. Nice about. Billy this is can you think of anything stride got one already. I got one to Billy finally went on monday night. Football game they were. Go billy i think one of your parley it was. We'll hit this weekend. Eighty 'cause they're all supposed to win in then it's supposed to add up to. I'm happier than anyone else. As of now install string. Your season ended. Today you're the babe ron of part of my take bill. You're smarter than you come across. Thank you That sixty nine is the number. I want you only one. That guesses the same number every time. No that's not true. I guess eight cop out one hundred eighty bill silent jenga thank you. I just go with glasses. Acres saying eight come on hundred sixteen rolled again just for freebies a freebie role freebie wrote. I don't want. I don't wanna free because it'll be thinking numbers county second sixteen seconds twenty second pitch not even the phrase around seventy four okay. We're never going to get one of bingo. It makes no sense. Luckily gramma and seventy five grandpa because of the last two numbers. I learned it on a cruise. Would you billy give us a bingos. Five a racing pigeon sold for one point nine million dollars at auction to chinese A nano slur. I forgot word for two years taught young core And it's pardon. My take presented by barstool sports.

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41:49 min | 8 months ago

Boxing Analogies

"Baseball tonight, the PODCAST. This is baseball tonight podcast for Tuesday October six, two, thousand, twenty, producing from his home studio in the foothills of Connecticut, his Taylor Shrink on buster only working from my home studio in New York yesterday before the playoffs began the division series that everybody's been talking about Theo. Epstein. Head of baseball operations for the Chicago cubs talked about a transition in his role with the cubs. He just reiterated his longstanding belief that about a decade of service time. For an organization might be enough for him and he signal major changes to come for the cubs on the field. We'll be talking about that with David Schoenfield in Paul and Bikinis General Manager David Stearns of the Milwaukee brewers says the Milwaukee brewers payroll might have to be trimmed. We've been talking about the fallout from having no fans in the stands this year. Now, some teams may be pulling their payroll back under baseball's new financial landscape keep in mind that the brewers payroll. Payroll in two thousand, twenty was about one hundred, ten, million dollars twenty-fourth in the majors. So for David, stearns, the suggest now that the payroll might have to come down tells you how for the brewers and probably a lot of other teams major concerns ahead, the raise in the Yankees began their division series yesterday, and before all that started the raise announced that Austin Meadows who was on the injured list for an oblique issue has was added back onto the roster. He'd been on the injured list in September eighteenth with a grade two left oblique strain the first game of the day yesterday, Astros in the athletics Chris Bassett versus Lance mccullers junior, and right away we got the theme for the day. SWAYING IN A. Fly Ball that one is deep to right bill backing up Tucker backing up and kiss it goodbye. That's gone. Chris Davis that was on Q. Jim as he blasts a two run homer and there's the walk and the big fly the way the as do it Dave O'Brien. Espn Radio Alex Bregman went answer back four Houston in the top of the fourth. To swang a hung that one, a high fly ball left field deep Grossman's back to the track leaps can't get it that ball is gone homerun for Alex Bregman. On, a hanger and he knocked it out of here put the Astros on the scoreboard then makes it three to one Oakland in the fourth inning. Houston's rally would continue the pitch. Swing at a high fly ball he jacked that one deep to center. That's way back back. It Goes Gone Homerun Carlos. Correa, he has tied the ballgame. Man is at flying here today in a southern California heat, and this is a three three game second home runs in the inning for Houston. There would be another home run in the end, the bottom of the fourth. Wing at a high fly ball into center field that's well hit carrying springer's back back to the wall and it is gone homerun. Another one leaves the yard. Olson who had fourteen during the regular season? The as didn't like trailing at all and they're back in front four, three on another. Gets out of the ballpark dodger? Stadium. Oakland had the lead in the top of the sixth inning but a an error by Marcus. Simeon extended the Houston inning and then inevitably this is what happened. An to one twelve. Swaying a line drive to left field down for a base hit another in up and GonNa Grossman here's the throw home and not in time. And a big big hit off the bat of Jose Altuve. As he jumped all over it. and. He has put them in front with a two run single. In the top of the seventh inning Carlos Correa applied the coup. Gras. One one swing at a high fly ball centerfield deep Laureano back at the track leaping God homerun another one for Correa his second of the day that's his fourteenth playoff home run at the age of twenty six. That's a record. And the Astros bolster their lead now eight to five over the as in the seventh inning and they go on and win ten to five Houston leading now that best of five series one. Oh, after the game Carlos Correa talked about his day. You know throughout throughout the year I was I was trying to find my my my power stroke and I couldn't seem to find it. I was looking back a BDO two, thousand seventeen, and then when we were in the Rangers. Seen Thrown Tommy. Let's look at two thousand fifteen when you got in in the in the big leagues and you were. Doing. Great. That's all right. So you know we saw things on the BDO my hand position, the way, my body and it was completely different to what I was doing throughout this year get working on it came today do it to homer and? A. Feels great to have a guy like in Tron next to you. Paying attention to every single detail in our free to succeed out there. So I'm very grateful to have announced my hidden coaches his great. Last Evening Yankees and raise game of their series. You got a feel for how this game is going to go right in the first inning with Dj. Lemay. You opened up with a nine pitch at bat before singling to start the game, the Yankees took a lead but on the bottom of the first, any Garrett Cole on the mound for the Yankees, the raise fought back to Oh, all the way in a fastball to Arosa rain. Israel to center field. Well, hit Hicks going back Hick set a wall. Arosa Rada with a home run to straight center field and the rays have tied it at one. Dan Schulman on ESPN radio now Aaron Boone the manager of the Yankees had to make a decision. Do you start Clint Frazier? Do you start Brett Gardner? Do you start the veterans and you start to the young guy with the lightning-quick bat? Well on the top of the third inning clint frazier justified Aaron, Boone's decision to start him. But one OH, two frazier. The Yankee Lynnfield he swings and hammers want to left field. He got on top of a high fastball and hit it a mile up into the second deck for a home run to give the Yankees. A two to one lead what a swing that was he absolutely hammered it later blake snow would face frazier with the bases loaded. Snell nods in agreement with Zunino and now straightens up and come set and the two two on the way and a swing in a mask. Got Him on a slide or up at the bell to strike him out. Maybe a mistake pitch by Snell, but he gets away it and the Yankees will leave the bases-loaded. Snell would require eighty four pitches over five high stress innings and he was out of the game in over the last four innings. The Yankees hitters would see ninety two pitches well in the bottom of the fourth inning. This really weird dynamic be between one of the race hitters and Garrett. Cole played out somebody who does a ton of damage against Garrett? Cole. Is Not going into one one, a fastball to Choy, and it is well hit left center field and here is gone. What a shot by Choi. His fourth career home run off Garrett Cole and the raise take a three to two rain. Jeanne choices beats up on Garrett Cole and I read a note from ESPN, stats and information today that choice home runs have come on different pitches. He's got a home run off a a fastball. He's got homerun off the curb. All he's got a home run off of Gary Cole- slider, Garrett Cole, probably wondering what the heck is going on. Well, Kohl's personal catcher backed him in the top of the fit. One fastball that he hits well left field and it is going to go. Off The facing of the second deck, a no doubt or for Higashi Yoka, and he's tied the game three. Two batters later, Aaron judge came to the plate. Now judge gets a hanging breaking ball hits. It's left in Garland. A line drive over the head of a Rosa Raina into the third row of seats another home run for the Yankees and it is four three New York. The raise would rally in the bottom of the fifth inning loading the bases with two outs. Set and the ones who right back to the high fastball triple digits from coal. One hundred miles an hours he gets him swinging and the rays will leave the bases loaded. And the score would hold it for three into the top of the night. But Aaron Hicks added. Insurance. One two and a swing laced into right center for base. Higashi Ohka around third the throw to the plate is not in time. Oh, I was close but Higashi Yoka, slides in safely to make it five to three. Next to the plate Giancarlo Stanton. To two. And Stanton lifts a fly ball center field t fan conned. Grand Slam for Stanton. And that'll blow it open here in the ninth inning. The Yankees now lead nine to three. And that would be the final score stanton with a home run in each of the Yankees. Three postseason games so far this year after the game boone. Giancarlo Stanton talked about the day. It's one game. We win three We know we've got a we nother. There are great team and a great opponent, and we know we got to play our best to beat them. So I don't think there's any statements or anything like that. We gotTa Win Two more and and that's going to be a challenge in and we're excited for that challenge though. That allows us? To come out like we did on this just where wearing their pitchers down The whole game in. Game Two of the American League Division series will be played later today we also we're going to have the first game of the dodgers and padres series the marlins against the cubs and Max freed who starts for the braves today talked about getting the ball in game one person clubhouse the intensity brings every day. but for me, I just knew that I had to go out there and just win games. I knew that when I had to take the mound that. you know it was we had to try to win that game. So that was kind of mentality from it I try not to do too much because obviously you can try to you know. You, know Push the boundaries and Kinda tried to get outside of yourself. But for me, it was a lot about. Staying within myself being confident and just going out there and just trying to win a game when I when I, take the ball that day my only plan is to what do I have to do to win this game? Kind Kinda just took that mentality for each start. In Arlington the dodgers and padres start their series city Walker Bueller will be on the mound for the dodgers. Anther to elegance some. So it wasn't wasn't super fun for me, but you know obviously there are some there's some intensity in in those games and. You. Know we enjoy that we've played in some big games in the past few years and and that intensities always a good thing I think you know those are obviously to really talented players they got over there but. You know they're going to get team. I. Don't think you can just trying to beat. And know let the other seven guys run wild or whatever. So Important to to not let those guys beat you. But at the same time they they've got some other guys over there they can. They can do some damage before we get to Dave show on field and Paulin Makita check out the latest episode of the cfpb e pod Herbie pollock into Gandhi recap we five and talk about Georgia playing with an edge. Tennessee's continued improvement. Florida's offense a vintage Michalik letdown Oklahoma's loss to Iowa state and if Tom Herman. In Texas, are feeling the pressure download and subscribe to the FBI pod wherever, you get your podcast. Before, we continue we need to mention our friends at Shell. Here's a fact for you. 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That's code bt only draftkings make it rain minimum five dollar deposit required eligibility restrictions apply see Dr King's Dot Com for details. Welcome to the show. Welcome to the show show. Show. Show. Show. Welcome to the show maybe you're in the show with TV show and. David. Schofield covers baseball free, SPN and certainly now that means talking about the division series. We're going to do that in a second but. I I was fascinated and yet nothing that was said was surprising to hear from Theo Epstein head of baseball operations for the cubs about what's to come you know not only did he make it clear that they're going to be major changes for next year I as we sit here today I don't think Carl's whoever will be on the team next year I think they have. A really difficult decision with Chris. Bryant's you know after talking with folks with other teams, they wonder how much trade value he would have or even might even incredibly be non tender candidate given the where his Pero where his salary is and and we're payrolls going around baseball But the also signaling that you know he's he's in the twilight of his tenure with the cubs. Sounds like he has one year left on his contract. Same is a Bryant Rizzo Schwarzer. Happier biased. So they all might be free agents after next year. Yeah you know you read between the lines in it certainly sounded like he's suggesting twenty twenty one will be his last year with the cubs. I'm curious about some of the onfield moves the. You think that they might do did a piece over the weekend talking with people with other teams about the cubs young players in how? The fact is they really haven't gotten better since winning the world series in two thousand, sixteen up and down offensive performance What's your gut feel on Bryant who made seventeen and a half million dollars? He's eligible for arbitration again as someone noted me the other day and evaluated with another team, can you imagine if he had won that grievance that he had against the cubs and he had actually been able to be eligible for free agency this fall he wouldn't have been in position to command some big walker contract in fact. A little bit more so Uzun a- and have to take a one year deal based off you know and again we're not I don't think a lot of teams would take what happened in two, thousand, twenty at face value but his performance was so bad that it would raise questions. Like you're right is only thirty four games but yet tool six, four home runs a terrible strikeout-to-walk ratio look all four of those guys were terrible this year. I don't know how much trade value. Any of them have it makes it a really difficult decision for what the cubs are going to do this winter. It seems pretty clear. They gotTA I don't WanNa. Say Blow things up they act to make some changes You know so most likely like you said you, you try to get something for Schwab he at one eighty, eight Bryant as you just alluded to very little trade value higher by as I. Guess you, WanNa try to re sign him but he had to three with seventy five strikeouts and seven walks. That's not sustainable as a quality major league hitter in on Anthony. Originals did the oldest of the group know he'll be thirty one next year he hit two, twenty, two I don't know what you do with any four those guys you don't. WanNa throw out two, hundred, million dollars of hobby or by as do so. Theo in Jed, hoyer, really, really difficult off-season i. also thought it was telling the David Stearns in speaking with reporters yesterday said, well, the the brewers might have to bring payroll back. My experience is one GM say might they've already made the decision to do that or I should say the decision has been made over their heads to bring down the payroll? Yeah. You're not gonNA say that if it's not gonNA happen right and. I. Think the brewers everyone would agree probably in two thousand, nineteen in this year had certainly pushed their payroll up to its upper limit you know and to their credit they went all out. They've made the playoffs. I mean this year you know because of the expanded news of teams so that wouldn't shock me and they're in a tough position. They're really not a very good team and it certainly will help next year Christian Yelich bounces back and they do have a couple of big starters and Brandon Woodruff and corporate burns and Josh Hader millions in the bullpen but no depth on that team one of the lowest rank farm systems. I think the brewers are probably for a little bit of a you know sit tight year and Maybe try to build up some depth for a couple seasons. All right. Let's Spinoff to the division series that began yesterday. The Yankees they've scored thirty one runs and three. In this postseason they're hitting home runs all over the place and it's remarkable because you know ten days left two weeks left in the regular season. We're we're talking about the slumping Yankees and are they in trouble? Will they've got all their stars back now and it looks like they've gone back to that old Yankee formula wearing down pitching. They, beat some really good pitching in their three wins. Giancarlo Stanton of course is homered in in all three playoff games i. think that's huge. Could you know Dj Lemay was going to hit you know Aaron judge even if he's not hitting home runs is going to draw his walks but to have stanton, you know I don't WanNa say locked in just yet but looking good that's that is huge for that lineup. And just makes it hard to get through that top five or six hitters. We're GONNA be using some boxing analogies today because they always seem to apply. When we talk about a big market team going up against a small market team watching this game last night it did feel like a very successful middleweight going up against a heavyweight because of the star power. Tampa Bay is good as they are. You're right buster. You know they don't really have a star Lake Snell on a sign a couple years ago but he hasn't been back to that level. Tyler Lasmo might be developing star Beer. You look at the lineup it's there. It's depth. You know there's some good player, but there's no stars in that lineup. And I don't know what you thought about Kevin Cash I'd I think he's my manager of the year I didn't agree with his decision to you John Curtis in the ninth inning rather than one of his top. Three. Right. Handed relievers, the game was still up for grabs at that point me let it get away from him but on the other hand yeah. All all topper LEMURS available for today's game. Yeah. I got some notes on that too from staffers with other teams they were wondering tear down Iran. It's a short series five games. You can't concede anything why not use one of your main guys in the way that I answered back was well, these are the raise and they have to believe in those guys like John Curtis. Probably a lot of teams kind of guy you know twenty seven years old Just just now emerging and yet if you're the raise that your whole team. It feels like they have to rely on guys like that. Yeah, and to be fair Curtis was really good in the regular season at the same time. He was a guy a year ago was let go by the angels and Phillies so and he hasn't been used that often at high leverage situations but I get an cash it after the game you. Know he didn't want to use Anderson or casteel or pete their bags in that situation didn't work out that happens I. I also fell. I'm watching that game DJ Lemay who opens up the game with the nine pitch at bat against Snell and singles to open up your like up. Here we go. Yeah I thought the same thing and DJ Lemay Hugh. He's just incredible. Incredible I mean. Jose Abreu Braver Shane. Re probably win the MVP in mate you though Fiat Miss. Time in all. By the been right up there but he's just turned into an amazing baseball player just such a tough out. What did you think of Aaron? Boone's decision for today to have day Garcia starting for them and that way they lineup Tanaka potentially in game three and Jay. HAP- You know he could start in game four if they decide to go that route or he could have happened in relief today behind Garcia. Interest I don't think Aaron Boone said this. But if you read between the lines, all you know Garrett Cole is going to go fairly deep and gained one six or seven innings So you know you don't need. You weren't GonNa Overuse Your Bullpen and game. So Garcia probably isn't gonNA go deep. So that gives them a chance to bird through their tire bullpen in game two. Then Eagle back to Tanaka who I know he didn't pitch well against Cleveland but historically as been a good postseason pitcher. Hope he can go a little deeper in game three. Way To sort of balance how and when he's using that bullpen according to research by ESPN stats and information the only other twenty one year old to make a postseason start for the Yankees. Was Whitey Ford in game for the nineteen. Fifty. World series. So Davey Garcia today doing something we haven't seen very often and I would I would like to say this you know a lot of times. If you know a player says something untoward, he'll get a lot of attention. He'll get some criticism from US I got a tip of. The KAFFIR for J. Half you know it's clear that he really believes that the Yankees have manipulated his inning. So he's not going to raise reach his vesting option and his Aaron Boone Knowledge. Yesterday he has been a pro you know the quote from from Boone was he'll be ready he's going to be. He's going to play a big role for us like a pro like you say it'll all this year has answered the bell every time whether he's been disappointed or whatever it hasn't obviously affected his pitching, I it's well said to me. Yeah, no absolutely, and you know he was really key during their hot stretches during the season. So look, the series is not going to be a sweet I think we'll see happen game for right. It does seem like the Houston Astros who beat Oakland yesterday they're Kinda freed up mentally like, okay. WE'RE VILLAINS GO AHEAD. We're just going to go out and play Carlos Graham particularly particular looks great day. You know that. I picked Oakland. That serious because I kept looking at the regular season numbers Houston on the average two point five runs per game, against Oakland in their ten meetings and they laid it on the as bullpen last yesterday. Again, I don't think Bob Melvin anything. Wrong. He went to the early with the lead. It was the best an MLB during the season. They just got lit up and you know if bregman encourage neither of whom are that great in the regular season get locked in George Springer Lawley seems locked in October and even out to make came through yesterday. So yeah that looked a lot like the two, thousand, seventeen or two, thousand, eighteen or two, thousand, and Nineteen Astros lineup. George Springer thrown out four hits yesterday and the Houston. Bullpen I think this is one of the more remarkable things we've seen this year because you remember those first days when they started the sixty game season where it felt like every day we get an update on the Astros and there'd be another relief pitcher who was going down. You know somebody else was being put on the injured list with Roberta was soon error whoever according to the? No we got overnight from ESPN stats information after five scoreless innings on Monday the Astros Bullpen. Now, fourteen in two thirds scoreless innings in three postseason games as of allowed three hits struck out fifteen and walked six. Yeah, that's been the key I mean I. Remember that two point I know they had twelve rookie relievers on their roster early in the season and they're still six or seven on the postseason roster. But as we saw yesterday, even the guys we've never heard of Noli parades. These guys have great arms and then you got Ryan Presley's a pretty good closer lockdown the night So it Houston I know they were under five hundred but this does not look like a five hundred team right now. So this is kind of a fun interesting thing to think about the Astros and the athletics are staying in the same hotel. Can. You imagine what it would be like if Mike Fires would've bump into some of the Astros players what what do you think would look like right there. So you're telling me if they're in line at starbucks in the morning then. Carlos create is not buying a Mike Fires in ice. Law. Yeah I, and I think that they're all aware of the fact the astros probably know that if if somebody got really upset and started throwing punches that would probably get much more attention that they really want. I. Suspect that if this happens if they're if they happened to bump into each other it would kinda be staredown. That would be my guess. Yeah I don't think you're gonNA have a whole lot of a lot of words. You. Know I know you wrote about it I wrote about some of the bad blood in the playoffs, but teens are pretty good about. Not Losing their cool. These big games I don't think we're going to see any don Zimmer Martinez incidents this year, maybe not in that series but I do think we are going to see some stuff. I kind of wonder about the padres and dodgers in part because the padres search. CELEBRATES, overtly but somebody's GonNa get trapped at some point I asked him yesterday in the podcast ranked the four division series in terms of Animus a as you mentioned you at that article yesterday talking about the history how would you rank them? All I put as Astros number one but I think you're right it it seems like you know the tension has may be cool a little bit there. Yeah look there's no doubt. Now with a couple of the incidents from the regular season that trained Grisham, the home run he hit off Kershaw. Stared at it. That obviously rubbed the dodgers the wrong way not so much kershaw. He never said anything at the time but certainly day roberts in the players were not happy with showing up Kershaw and you know we've seen how Fernando tat tastes I love him. He gets excited but he'll flip that bad no flip it a long ways and the dodgers are not that kind of team. They don't do that kind of stuff. So you know and there's a lot of pressure La. So thank start going south for them and the hundreds are remedied in their faces I. Think you might see a few high in tight pitches for. Sure I think that's the series that or that's the that's the match that I'm most interested to see the dodgers pitching to Fernando Tattoos. Junior. We've talked all year about how he plays with such amazing energy, and if you look at the numbers that the dodgers have a pitching has against them this year, they've held him in check and I kind of wonder if they will do that in you know let's face. It did play last week. But now you're talking about division series it's the dodgers it's the postseason there's more hype there's more energy and maybe try to use that against him by getting into expand the strike zone. I agree to a five against them like this is the series you know we were contemplating how this bracket might lineup back at the end of September I'm with you tattoos he's not a big hacker he's not Almere by his but he will chase he does have some swing and mess. So with you certainly early on in these games I think they're going to see if they can get him to chase why throw a strike you know even though he struggled a little bit September, we saw once he gets locked in against the cardinals he can carry this team for five game so make them. Chase, absolutely last one for you. What are you looking for in the other series the Marlins against the braves? Well, you know it's all about the starting pitching for the Marlins if they're going to win this because they don't have a great lineup, the bullpens. Okay So you know those three guys that are starting one two and three are really going to have to pitch. Well, I love that game to match up with the Anderson six dol-. Sanchez, I think that's going to be the key game in that series. All right sir. Well, enjoy today four games that should be a lot of fun it will. Jumping into the numbers. Matthew evaluated millions of leases data in the night the runarounds Cincinnati by two hundred. Five last. This is Hembo knows ambos. Research Espn. WHO's a hunch on the show get up Mike Greenberg tells us is because he is a wild party or Hembo We'll start with this before we get into some of the playoff series going on we just we're talking about the question of what Theo Epstein said yesterday what it really means about major changes with the cubs. In I've had conversations with evaluators with other teams who think that the Charles Schwab is a serious candidate to be non tendered going into two thousand, twenty one especially in light of the financial landscape and where that might go and I actually had some high-ranking folks. The other team, Saint Chris Brian is someone that they're going to have to look at either to dump the contract getting little in return or a possible non tender tell me about those two players and how you would handle it. So with swore I, think a non tender is a very reasonable and legitimate. We're talking about a player who has who has Not, grown hardly at all as a player that's only produced five wins above replacement is an entire career I think in the minds of some fans is this awesome hitter because of know what we remember during the two thousand, sixteen postseason when he came back from injury but buster, you know as well as I do that's just not the player he is anymore and given salary that he's likely to earn next season I'm not so sure that he has almost any value there and I think he'd probably get a good shot playing somewhere else because there's you know you you can always use a left handed, our bat but. He's a part of the cubs future for as Kris Bryant. He is a player. This was the first year of his career when she was not at least twenty percent above average is hitter at least as measured by ups close his defensive metrics issue are pretty good. Now, he had a terrible season he drove in almost no runs the entire year until the final weekend and he along with Anthony Rizzo and Harvey are bias have not hit a lick not a lick in the playoffs since winning the world series. And that twenty, five, million dollars salary, which is something close to what I think he can expect to make next season is a daunting task for steam. If they're not first of all, they don't think they can compete or if he's not a potentially part of their future have seen no of the animosity as it relates to hit he in the front office because they held the handled manipulated his service line but lie, yes is that you could eat you that you could pay his his arbitration salary next. Year and pursue e-trade, and there there would be a handful of things I would guess out there that would be willing to pay at least fifty or sixty cents on the dollar for Kris, Bryant with a proven track record as a two way player. All right Let's talk about previews for series. It start today would he got marlins and braves? Agree that the braves have far superior lineup to the Marlins in a better pitching staff top to bottom. But Miami can steal this series buster on the base paths. The marlins led the National League with fifty one steals during the regular season converted at a seventy nine percent. Heels went three for three in the two games against the couple. Of course. Now, the braves, the allowed forty two steals their on forty seven chances during the regular season. That's an eighty nine percent clip that was the worst of any team in the National League that of course includes allowing twelve steals in thirteen attempts against the Marlins, which is to say if this actually becomes a nationally series Marlin, generated more ground ball hits than any team during the. Regular season the the marlins are a sort of a higher contact rate tight team. My guess is that they're going to do the best. They can to avoid the three run homer and they're gonNA play this way, and the way they've all season I'm not gonna I'm not GonNa bet against them even though the braves are a clear favourite in my mind. All right. What about the padres dodgers? Well, the dodgers can pitch with anybody but their fate in this. Series could be decided by a pair of left handed hitters with postseason ghosts, those of course being cody bellinger and cory seager buster amongst five hundred, twenty, five players with at least seven, seventy, five postseason plate appearances, bellinger strikeout rate ranks five hundred, and twenty fourth stand once in every two point trips to the plate in the playoffs and the time we hit well, that's evaded seger during his postseason career secrets four for thirty, nine with runners in scoring. Position, and for his last thirteen it into the twenty seventeen world series against Houston when combining the numbers for bellinger and Seger. In those circumstances you get eight, four, seventy, four with thirty strikeouts against four walks. Now, the dodgers might be good enough to beat the padres even guys don't hit but it would make it a whole lot easier if every once in a while either of them came up with the time, we get last night, the Yankees Take A. Series against the raise what he got. Well, two things obviously stood out to the first of which was it's Aaron Judge Giancarlo Stanton they're gonNA hit like this. This team is the world series saver. In fact, Caesar Sportsbook by William Hill Bear oddsmaker may installed the Yankees ABC favorite to win the world series this morning for the first time in several months. So they see it the way that we do the Yankees are now ten and three and everything six and a half runs a game in the postseason when both judge and Stanton are in the lineup, you can't expect them to homer every game of course but just Their mere presence clearly makes a considerable difference. A second thing is that even when gear a cold doesn't have his best stuff, he can still shut buster. He is twenty one strikeouts in the postseason. Now, twenty of them are swinging strikeouts he at eight more last night, he struck out three of the last four batters in that game with one, hundred, ninety, nine, ninety, nine, this guy's the best pitcher in the world I don't WanNa hear otherwise and so long as he's throwing like that and they sit up the rotation appropriately I don't see I. don't see a way in which the Yankees or stop before they reach the. World series, in which they would most likely play the dodgers in my judgment. Well, they would have to go through the winner of the series between the Astros in Oakland Houston wins yesterday when he got well, Houston is now score ten of its seventeen postseason runs with two outs and I think that probably speaks in some sense to the experience that these guys have accumulated over the last few seasons and clearly they were doing a. Really good job sort of internalizing all the anger and vitriol directed towards them and and producing good results on the field. As a result I was actually very critical of the dusty Baker higher you might recall, but it seems like the temperament of this team and the way they're going about their business right now is exactly how they should be as bullpen was the best baseball during the regular season and they couldn't hold it together yesterday. The the Astros are doing exactly what you need to in the playoff they're bullpens. Bats and they're getting time we hits I'm not going to bet against those guys either. But I still think the as are a better team to stick with that tech and they'll pull it out and before you go I'm curious about how you being philly's fan how you feel about what's going on with that organization McClintock the general manager steps away John Middleton will be looking at candidates new general manager candidates. What would you like to have that type of guy who liked to have what? Would you like another young analytics person or would you like an old school general manager a guy like Brian Sabin who of course, led the giants to their dynasty you know maybe Dave Dombrowski what type of person would you like to see? So I would favor actually splitting the difference if I could I know for certain but I don't what they've Dombrowski just because Because ev every word he's left at least the last few places buster. It's been ugly even though he has one in fairness to him but that's the last thing that the families need right now considering all the financial obligations that they have at present that's not the person I want, and I think McClintock skip necklace acts gonna mean the phillies probably. Zag. Away. From that young analytic site, the person I want the person I want to stat. Levin. Now, they'd have to offer him the president of baseball ops title to get them away. Who knows that you would consider doing that obviously, we're living during pandemic right now and there's there are a lot of complicating factors but I think he's the best person for the job because. Ultimately. What matters most phillies sort of realign this program they can spend money with everybody else. But as we know as we talk about his pockets, many times you in May that doesn't come anywhere close to guaranteeing any sort of results we've seen that with the angels we've seen it with the phillies. The needs some need a general manager who can put a staff in place for player development for scouting, and also you know sort of balance that perfectly with the analytics type. So that's the person I want or the kind of person I want someone who has a track record and doing some both that's probably pie in the sky. That's what I got for you. All right and both. Thank you. Boys. Bleacher tweets. Already bleacher tweets for Tuesday, I up our friend Amy Chapman at amy are Chapman rates with all the talk about hinch and core potentially managing again perhaps as soon as next season why hasn't Carlos Beltran been part of the conversation do you see him getting another chance? Yeah Amy I'm curious about that. You know I remember talking to Carlos during the postseason last year before he had really been connected with the mets and he was very specific about how it felt like I needed to be exactly the right job for him to manage. The fact is you know he's lived in New York he's played in new. York, he played for the mets played for the Yankees and I think that was part of the attraction form. I can't say that my sense was that yeah. If he got an offer say manage the the Marlins or manage some small market team some sometime down the road that that would be something to he'd be interested. In and you know unlike hitching Cora Carlos Beltran I mean he's he certainly someone who career is broader because of what he did is is a player he has You know things that he does off the field I'm not sure if he's GonNa WanNa manage again especially given the experience this time next one up we got Steve Miller at Steve Dot Miller writes in what is your best guess when Major League Baseball expand a thirty two teams in what two cities will have to new teams and this generated a little bit of talk on twitter yesterday and I know you're gonNA say Nashville. So what other location would you pick? I think look at the divisions they need a team out west to balance out the divisions, which is why and I think people talk about Portland I don't know if baseball's view on Las Vegas has changed with what's going on with the raiders So I think Portland. For sure I hear Charlotte mentioned from time to time but I mean nationals the big one. The interesting thing too is I think for years, the perception was Major League baseball needed to take care of the Tampa Bay and Oakland ballpark situations before they go into the expansion conversation but given all the money that they've lost this year I kind of wonder if the expansion conversation might be accelerated where you'd have owner say boy if we Could sell an expansion team for an I'm pulling a number of the air one, point, five, billion or one point two billion that we can split among the teams that will offset some of the losses we've had. Oh, that is quite intriguing. All right. Good stuff for things right in everyone should bleacher tweets on twitter please subscribe to rate and review this podcast wherever you listen to podcasts and enjoy the games four of them today. Very exciting. But let's be clear here. Nashville would be awesome and I'm biased having lived there for eight years having gone to school there. 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Wrapping up the 2020 Winter Meetings with Jed Hoyer

Cubs Weekly Podcast

19:42 min | 6 months ago

Wrapping up the 2020 Winter Meetings with Jed Hoyer

"It's time for another edition of the cubs weekly podcast presented by wintrust proud legacy partner of the chicago cubs and exclusive home of cubs checking open online today at wintrust dot com slash cubs. Policemen occur here alongside cubs contributor. Bruce levine an analyst. sean. Marshall there's a lot to get to maybe relatively quiet off season. Compared to other years for the cubs there has been some action. Maybe not all on the field but it was on the field that the cubs were eliminated from the postseason. That's when their off season started now then. The first big news of the offseason season. October thirty first john leicester's option making him a free agent will decline it so that made him a free agent that november seventeenth cubs history theo. Xt announced. He was stepping down. Jed hoyer the new president of baseball operations than just last week the cubs non tendered. Kyle schwab were making him a agent and then this week. The winter meetings. Of course going on wrapping up tomorrow so then bruce. I'm going to start with you. I just mentioned a lot. That's going on with the cubs. And just what kind of intrigued you the most when you see and hear everything that's happening. What mostly It's slow because you have to wait until the tender date. So december second was really the jump off point four teams to see what new players were going to be out there and that nobody wanted to make a rash move when they didn't know the full free agency. There's an extra fifty guys out there now that we're now tendered and you know certainly was one of them with the cubs but the reality is that Things get a little bit slower right now and there's tentativeness also because we don't know about two thousand twenty one very well right now. Yeah no doubt. And as far as it moves yes. There hasn't been layer transaction. We saw the big schwab remove now. More was non tendered but the big exclamation point is the changing of the guard. Theo epstein steps down jed hoyer fills obssession as the president of baseball operations and that sets up. What i think is going to be a flurry of different mood. Very impactful moves going forward. Where theo's not responsible for the cubs and the new changing of the guard is going to move these big pieces some of these core players and then the is not really the pink fingers being pointed there so jed hoyer coming as president of baseball ops is the big move of the cubs. This offseason so far and i believe there will be very impactful moves here going forward. Yeah no doubt that has to be one of the more surprising moves. You could say this offseason with the cubs. And then bruce. I wanna talk to you because you even mentioned it. Non tendering kyle shore. So he's no longer in a cubs uniform of course a hero in the postseason for the cubs but this past season down near for him just hitting one eighty eight sixty six strikeouts in sixty games when you know the guys also on the list to the cubs have to make decisions about like baya's bryant and rizzo non tendering schwab or was at the right. Move to you. Well i think it was for the team weird sad right now and you have to understand that. They are in the middle of deciding whether they're going to compete for two thousand and twenty one or be looking at the big picture. I think the big picture is where it's at and nine million real dollars that they were gonna put towards ever remember last year before he becomes a free agent is probably better spent somewhere else. That doesn't mean schwab is not worth the money or that. He won't get a long term deal from somebody else and make as much money but for the chicago cubs purposes right now. I don't believe that was wrong. I think it's the right move. Because the fact that they are in a transmission transition mode right now not knowing for sure what took two thousand twenty one and beyond is at this moment. Yeah even said he'll keep the phones open for. It may not necessarily be this permanent goodbye but of course they are trying to shake things up. And sean with that could mean that kris bryant days in a cubs uniform are numbered as well and when we talk about trade. We just kind of throw it out there right like this. Maybe he won't be here. Maybe he will but it comes down to also as a person and this is life and he doesn't know you know. Bruce has been saying all the uncertainties with not just this past season but the upcoming season. I know you actually had to live this as well. You were a part of the trade from the cubs to the reds a few days before the holidays even just talk about that. When we talk about brian how you can kind of relate to a situation the moves of last week or so with the changing of the guard. The new gm gm was with the cubs. With was jim. henry. And jim hendry permit. Promise myself and my family. That was one of the safe players. Like one of the untouchable players. The soon as the changing of the guard came in and the rebuild for the chicago cubs happened around two thousand twelve. I was one of the first players to be traded. I never was pictured in trade rumors. I thought it was safe. But i had caught wind that maybe i was going to be on the move to. Aol team or an nfl team. So you feel in your gut a little bit. So if you're k b at this point you have to realize that baseball other players have chicago cubs as well. Baseball is a business okay. It's important to leave it all in between the lines in spring training. Do the right things in practice. Do the right things off the field to leave impressions. Good impressions carry you very far in this game and in life so yes to trade talks. They're they're they're always there for most players. And no one's really actually safe in this game. And bruce will probably test that as well. You're kind of pawns to the puzzle. You puzzle pieces ponds like chest and you can be moved at any time. It could be life changing moves so with the changing of the guard. Nobody's really safe in my opinion but the cubs are looking to the future in this miniature. Maybe metro rebuilt here going forward. Yeah they always say those phone lines are open and air open to those conversations and sean you mentioned. It was jet in theo as tom. Ricketts has even signed over these past years. It has been jenin. Theo like it has been one word now. The changing of the guard that you also mentioned that has happened with the cubs and that we welcome in jeddah new president of baseball operations. Jad thank you so much for joining us today on cubs live. Of course thank you. I'll start off a new president of baseball ops. I mention not an unfamiliar role for you but new with the cubs. So i just wanna ask how everything's going here especially in twenty twenty and with you taking over in this role that means the gm spot is still open so just the progress on that search as well. Yeah i'm sitting in the office and there's probably three or four come in every day but really the offices closed So it's mostly zoom calls like this all day long to to communicate with people. Immigrate part is we have so many good employees in Theo i helped hire these people in so we totally trust them. And i feel like. I have great help now as for the gm surge. I haven't started yet been really busy trying to decide. Exactly when the right time to start that but Luckily like. I said i've got plenty of help here. Nothing is is the cracks and I think ross can start. Jessica you and i in twelve other guys that do my job or normally standing right now in a strange city in a strange hotel room during the winter meetings. How hot is it not to be winter meetings now and taking it. A step further Is there the same type of phone activity in text activity. We normally see this time of year. Yeah i can't say i miss it. That much Isn't exhausting four days. You feel like you get probably a total of twelve hours sleep in four days. And i think i've had my last twenty birthdays at the winter meetings so it was nice. Actually see my kids and my wife on my birthday this year. So don't miss it. But i do miss being with the scouts and being in the same room in in having an chance to to bounce ideas off each other easier As far as phone and text activity it's been A pretty active week. I don't think that has anything to do with though virtual meetings. I think that has everything to do with the fact that A couple of weeks out from christmas and things start to heat up this time of year. Normally there's kind of a big rush right up to christmas and then things die out for a week to ten days. So i think it'll be busy from now Until right before. Christmas and then we'll get Get some time where is not quite as busy so now it's active just like it would be if we were in a hotel somewhere. I doing jet. Sean marshall here. Congratulations on promotion of president of baseball. Ops talking lakeside. What's the state of the mlb in general the minor leagues and especially the cubs farm system at this point. Well today we if you guess invitations i call it to To four affiliates. So yeah i wa- tennessee south bend in myrtle beach and now we're fortunate as they Kinda redo the minor leagues reconfigure it. We're super fortunate. We have awesome affiliates. Am i was happy. That eugene The emeralds end up going with the giants for for high of thrilled today. Land in a good spot so We're really fortunate that was today's news and we'll continue to find out more information about the set up of the league's As we go forward South benz now going to be high. A myrtle beach is going to be low. Way which is kind of one. Change you as for the minor leagues. We really overhauled our player development system a year ago and we were so excited to get going into to see the progress and i feel like internally. We saw a lot of progress Whether it was at the site and instructs or just working remotely with guys but unfortunately the public sees very little. that's so Really excited for next year. I know we're going to have a minor league season of some sort of some lane. I think that will be able to see sort of the proof of proof of concept of what we're trying to do. I think our system is Is certainly on the rise. And i think next year will be a big turning point for it. I wanna ask you about another change. There was a report earlier this week. That the designated hitter would not becoming to the national league. So i'm curious even what you've heard in regards to the d. h. And just how. That's impacting how you approach this offseason. Yeah we've been told that we should operate under the assumption that there would not be a d. agent so that's the the way we're operating Who knows what will happen as they finalize these rules. But there's some uncertainty with What's happening you know. We don't know about it. We don't really know About roster sizes yet. We all know about picture limits Don't know how long a season's going to be your when we're gonna start. And so there is some uncertainty but every team is dealing with the same things and I just think we have to. You know go forward and and assume that the two sides will get together. It'll be for the for the good of the game so it's uncertainty but it's nothing we're not used to dealing with jeddah a two-parter for me here number one You and theo always had the rule that there were no untouchables chicago cubs. There are plenty of people you would not want to trade. But they would have to listen to everybody about every player. Is that still in place under you and two if people come to you with or big names like a darvish or contrarius an offer you three or four players. How do you balance whether that would be good for the cubs now in the future as compared to wanting to win in two thousand and twenty one. Well i think that philosophy. I think that's what you have to have. I mean i think that unless you have the very best player in the game and the most Desirable asset in the game. I think you always have to listen. And i never quite understand why people get upset by that. All you're doing is listening. And talking and i don't think there's a single player on our roster that some team hasn't called about at some point and if we were just a shutdown discussions immediately it wouldn't wouldn't do us any good you know they know which players would be really hard for us to trade and teams kinda act accordingly. So that's always the rule of thumb. I've never operated differently. Nine twenty years. I will continue to do that. And think you're always balancing the present and the future that that's a big part of this job and I think we've been heavily focused on the president for last three or four years. You know Getting into a winning window like this is rare and we should take it for granted. And i don't. I don't think we have taken it for granted and so But proud of the winning. We've done proud of what was happened but at the same time We are getting close to the end of that of that group of players that we've been brought up in you look at the fact that you know rizzo and bryant. Vyas guys are controllable for one more year obviously shore was was in the same boat We have to think about that. In some point we have to really focus on that. The next wave of guys that can They can be just like those guys worth it for this organization so The president is super important. You know we just want a division. We have an excellent team But of course we have to think about the future because there's gonna be baseball wrigley field long after a new twenty twenty one following up on that You have a manager now. That has a year under his belt. How essentially he to the decisions you make on personnel going forward into to rely on him as much as you do. Somebody your top Vice president and assistant general managers rossi's got A hard job anything. He has to He's got a lot on his plate. Always so i try to. You know with our guys here. We try to take the the player personnel stuff in and take off his plate. Obviously we ask his input Talked to rossi every day But ultimately i think we have to get the input from you know from rossi from our pitching coaches were are hitting coaches. We want their their input. We want their evaluations And then we try to talk upstairs here and try to put everything in the right context but rossi's been on the game longtime he's got great feel And i think he's got a good understanding of exactly what we're trying to do. Sometimes managers are focused on the next day the next game rossi does a really good job of having feel for for the big picture so we're fortunate. We have a guy as a manager that has a chance to be a star He's already and he's only going to get better. And is good in my chair to know that we have that guy and We can be partners the other and rely on each other. And i'm excited about that jed. You're busy during the winter meetings week. Thanks so much for joining us in between all those zoom calls that you have going on so thanks again for joining us comes live. Awesome anytime guys. thank you so much. Welcome back to this edition of the cubs. Weekly podcast brought to you by wintrust. You darvish was the runner up for the cy young award but found his way to the all. Mlb first team for pitchers he was joined by. Twenty twenty cy young winners trevor. Bauer and shane bieber. As well as jacob degrom and max free to the. I team relief pitchers nick anderson and liam hendriks how about the bats salvador perez first team for catcher the infield. So you've got freddie freeman at first dj lemay view at second and their pair of padres on the left side manny machado and fernando. Tatis junior in the outfield. No surprise mike trout. Mookie betts one. Soto marcelo zuma is the i team designated hitter and with fat. We welcome back. In bruce levine. And sean marshall to talk about this all mlb team and of course you darvish. First team is sean marshall. No surprise posted swing a one day this season at one point seven. He won seven straight starts. What did you see from him. This season as it all just seemed to click. Congratulations you darvish. On making this elite team was a tough season. The protocols the empty stadiums the difference from normal nece was all there but you darvish was just terrific since the back end of two thousand and nine thousand nine. He has been on a roll way. He can manipulate the baseball control. The game navigate a lineup. And just a pure stuff you can make the ball move in so many different directions. His demeanor out there. He's calm and composed look at the numbers eight and three with a two point. Oh one he was my pick for cy young. Yes bauer was really good but man you darvish was also great. You talk about your pick for. Its cy young. You guys did have a chance to pick. We're not gonna just have the mlb out the awards writer mlb and the maui up to you guys do it too. We're not gonna let you get off of this so easy bros. Going to start with you. Give me your. Mlb up your mlb well. My team is very similar to the regular one. But i have kershaw instead of freed three. Didn't pitch the whole season. I have williams in there as well instead of anderson but all in all a great team. It's going to compete. The shortstop and third baseman or different were mirrors trai turner. Great players. i cheated. I took osuna from d. h. To the outfield. I bumped mike trout. Because oh sooner blew him away and mike trout its worst. Opie s plus season of his entire career was still a great year for normal person. But not for mike trout. I starting rotation right. I pick max freed. I love the overhand curveball. That big twelve six koerbel. So i threw him some love there for that. But i picked devin williams yeah. He's the milwaukee brewer but man. His numbers were incredible this year. He gave up one run on one home. Run in the whole season. He was terrific but my starting lineup. A lot of doubters there freddie freeman spray and it was a toss up between him and abrego lemay no brainer. There bet soto trout. All of them left center. Right fielders right there. A terrific as well but i picked jose ramirez and cory seager. I got those wrong. But i pick seager in particular because of his postseason. Eight home runs in a postseason bed. Four hundred in the world series. It was really good leading the the dodgers the much needed world series championship. Those guys up there. Yeah sean. i'm surprised you and throw kirschstein there too. You know another big leftie curve and you're lucky to rooster looking at the end of the show because you know my child's not a normal person. Let's just they're so relative to his ears. Sure but i can't believe you elective off your teeth that'll do it for this edition of the cubs weekly podcast brought to you by wintrust. 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Hour 1: Bye Bye Cubs

Izzy and Spain

35:20 min | 2 years ago

Hour 1: Bye Bye Cubs

"Great news. There's a quick way you can save money, switch to Geico Geico could help you get great coverage at a great price, and it only takes fifteen minutes to see if you could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance go to Geico dot com today and see how much you could save welcome to Spain and fits the podcast. It was a rocky night for the cubs, see what I did there. And now the question is what comes next. It's pain and Fitz on ESPN radio, the ESPN app siriusxm channel eighty Jason bids hanging out with Nicole Briscoe in Nicole Zimper Sarah and there's no cubs sweatshirt. Tonight I'm keeping an arm's length distance, the wind sweatshirt, though that that we've gone from that to that talks to where you are in the recovery process. It was a very long night for you last night, and it's raised a million questions for the cubs as they move forward from a loss to the Rockies. The Rockies advancing cubs season comes to close, and it really sort of becomes a bad news day for the cubs because on top of the season ending now. Have Addison Russell that's been suspended, so so you're looking at a situation where the the news today feels particularly bad for the cubs and the future feels particularly head-scratching at this point. Can we take it separately? Yes. The Addison Russell thing is an entirely separate issue. And of course, I don't think that had anything to do with the game last night. I mean, I don't even have to be a cubs fan to look at that season and be like it's disappointing given the fact that they have so much talent on the roster. They've so much talent there and they had forty games this season tied with the Orioles that lost one hundred and fifteen games. The oils that just had to release Buck Showalter today. Like we're done like they scored one run forty games this season with that roster was Kris Bryant with Wilson controllers with Baya's that had a hundred eleven RBI. Okay, go. That's going to take us to the question. We're going to be asking a lot tonight. Who's that on? I mean, when you look at forty one run one run games over the course of the season, then we have to start to ask the question, who's fault is that because the rumor mill churning already today, the Joel Madden and I don't want that. I don't want that. I'm not in that camp. I, I think it's really hard to say. You look at the guy that got you your first championship in a one hundred years. Two years ago, it was two years ago, and the problem is it's a problem because cubs fans have suddenly got, we've gotten spoiled, right? We were trying to have our team make it back to the NFC s. four straight years before this little streak. The cubs had made it like three times since nineteen sixty-nine. And we were trying to get back again this year. We like I play on the team, but do you know what I mean? Again, I think I, I want mad in there. I think he does provide some leadership. I have some. Problems with the way that that game played out last night, and I sort of blame him for that. But I think you've got the hitting coach start there. You look at Chris, Brighton, Kris Bryant, swing water Peres. We'll tell you there's something going on there like it's it's needs to be tweaked. He is not the same guy that we saw two years ago, but so last night watching the game, I had like shades of game seven of the World Series watching Madden. 'cause I don't think anyone will disagree with me when they say Madam was out managed in game seven of the World Series by Tony Francona Terry. What am I doing? Yeah. I, I don't. I don't think anyone's going to disagree with me with that, but. Last night when he pulled John, les star was like, wait, again, you're not letting your eyes speak for you. You're going with analytics and you're, you're not using your eyeballs. You're not listening to the eye test because your eyeballs work and what is wrong with him. Keep him in the game, give let him go one more because it wasn't the pitching. That was the problem when he pulled him. It was the bats, and then I get why in the eight you had to make you had to make a move to score, but you pulled Anthony Rizzo like your most reliable that also somebody that has a pretty stellar glove. You pulled him in the eight and that game went to thirteen. At the end of the game, the cubs of us twenty three players. The most in major league baseball, postseason history. They use every single player on the bench. The problem was at the end of the game, the best players available to the Chicago Cubs, they weren't there. They were already pulled. One of our questions we had going into the game was what was not going to mean to that game. And when you talk about the number of players. Used. It's sort of a head scratching moment we are by the way leading you in the AL wildcard game tonight as Yankees gets underway at seven thirty pm eastern on ESPN radio, so Spain and Fitz. We'll take you all the way up to that game. Jason Fitz Nicole Briscoe. Nicole's them for Sarah now. Speculation was running rampant earlier on Madden's future, but it was addressed clearly by club president, THEO Epstein check out what he said. Joe's status remains unchanged. She's the manager of this team. I'm very happy about that. I, you know, I know there was sort of high profile report this morning that was not accurate. I know that. Read the whole thing, but saw on there that you know there were some claims that that he and I had personal friction, not true at all. You know, we have a terrific working relationship. We don't agree all the time about baseball shoes, and that's the way it should be. I don't wanna. Yes, man as the manager and I don't want. I don't want it. Working as a as a, yes, man relationship. The other way either. I think there should be. Dischord and and and debate and healthy trusting relationships where you can work together to to make the organization better. And that's, that's the way it is. I enjoy having Joe around personally and I and I like having him as the manager of this club, and I really like having the most wins in baseball. The last four years, I don't like going home the first day of October. That's not on Joe. That is still up seen talking about it talking about Joel Madden and his future on Spain and fits Nicole Briscoe in for Sarah. I'm Jason Fitz and it's interesting the last piece of that Nicole. He's had Joe, Joe, who is it on? And that's, that's a fair question for cubs fans to be asking today because either your managers maximizing your talent or your talent isn't maximize -able there's no. When you're at the level that the cubs are at, there is no sort of. Oh, okay. Well, this went well. So when you look at it, you say earlier, maybe it's a hitting coach issue, but when you look at it and you hear what the obscene said, I mean, does that really give you? The warm fuzzies is repeating the same cycle next year gonna make you happy. Yeah, I was still still, I'm still stuck in that they have all the potential in the world, and I don't see why they can't with this solid group of people like get back to where they were two years ago. You know, maybe they make a few tweaks here and there maybe they have to improve their bullpen. Maybe a little less nauseous every time the story goes out in the bullpen guy comes in, but you know what I mean? Like it the core, the core seems okay. It's just that the for the last two years they had the World Series hangover. And then this year they just never really got into a pattern of, again, hitting is not actually optional in baseball. If you hit the ball, you're probably gonna win games after the after the eighth inning. They tied that game in the eighth inning. Do you not the bullpen for the Rockies did to them? They didn't allow a hit nothing. They got the bat on the ball in the air. Once in five innings that followed the tying run in eighth like you are the Chicago Cubs. Again, you need me to go through your lineup, go through your roster, you. You should be hitting at least a home run a game. I love inspirational quotes in in locker rooms. I think we're gonna make a whole series of the damn ball hitting nickel, Nicole Briscoes hitting is not optional in baseball. There we go. The this is not obviously the only piece of news for the the cubs. We do want to make sure we knowledge here to that. Addison Russell has been suspended forty games. My major league baseball, obviously, Cup shortstop a. was is, is facing domestic violence allegations. He's been suspended forty games after major league baseball did their own investigation joint. The domestic violence, sexual assault and child abuse policy. Rob Manfred is the Commissioner of MLB came out and aknowledged. This is the quote, my office is completed its investigation into the allegations that Addison Russell violated major league baseball, joint domestic violence, sexual assault and child abuse policy. Having reviewed all of the available evidence. I've concluded that Mr. Russell violated the policy and should be subject to discipline in the form of an unpaid suspension that will cover forty games. The fact you should know also detail wise here is that this is wro- retroactive to September twenty first and Addison Russell will not appeal as part of the ruling. So Addison Russell, this is this is a, we expected some. Sort of a statement for major league baseball. They make that statement of forty games. I mean, it's it's hard. It's hard. I mean, you look at your team and I had a hard time a couple years ago in the cubs brought in aroldis Chapman. You know, and it's like, what are you willing to have on your roster to win a title? And it's hard because as a person, you sort of have this zero tolerance policy against these things. And I was appalled when when the Astros brought in Osun a- as as their closer well, sort of the the investigation has been released. And I'd like to find out a little bit more in a situation like this, their kids involved, and I just hope that they're ok, that's the, that's the most difficult part of this is there's a human side to it, and we and into these sports world more and more and more fans are having to deal with what it's like to root for a team that sometimes uses to bring on players that are hard to root for. It's not an easy piece of this today, and it's just another piece of sort of the negative news for the cubs and a very important piece. Moving forward could owes two major league baseball for coming out swiftly and making a decision ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance guests on the shell Pennzoil performance line, straight ahead. It's been. To season since a cubs World Series win. How do explications from a team change after winning championship? We'll tell you next its benefits to call Briscoe in for Sarah on ESPN, radio, Spain, and Fitz when you fail and you and you don't reach your goal. Yeah, it's great to talk about making something positive about it, but it starts with with self awareness and self reflection and and accountability. And so I'll be the first to admit that offseason moves we made last year did not lead to immediate productivity on those contracts this year. And it put us in a little bit of a whole early with their starting pitching that we all had to work hard to overcome. And so we have to own that, and I have to own that and and and find a way to to be better with those decisions and how how certain things worked out. Cubs GM THEO. Epstein talking about what happened last night and taken the blame on his very broad shoulders. At this point deal I've seen is a brand above and beyond the cubs is GM and let's face it. He has the the shoulders to to take it. But it raises an interesting question about perspective of what this season was Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio, the SPN app siriusxm channel eighty Jason Fitz hanging out with Nicole Briscoe who's in for Sarah would leading you in the AL wildcard game as Yankees tonight. Seven thirty PM eastern on ESPN radio, and this is an important conversation about the cubs because it also plays forward to the Yankees tonight. I mean there there's a, there's sort of a certain. There's a group of teams major league baseball that have a certain level of expectation. What we just heard was the oab Stein Nicole saying it wasn't good enough and I've got to do better. We've got to do better, but I've got to do better when you look at it was this season at this point now, is it a failure? Yes, it is. And it's hard to say that because the cubs won ninety five. Games this season. There were ninety five games in finish the season with the second best record in the National League. Like we're one game away from this, not even being a conversation because if they had beaten the brewers in game, one sixty three, we're not sitting here right now having this conversation because at least they're in the NL DS. But when two years ago you won the World Series and you won the World Series. What is arguably a year or two ahead of schedule. The expectation is, will you are ahead of schedule then why can't this just continue, but doesn't at some point context matter to the way the season played out. You said last night forty, five games and forty three days or something in that effect and and you're talking about really all again after a hundred sixty. Two games just came down to two games. This came down to two games. They lost two games in the worst ones. I, it's going to be the bad memory and everybody's mind. But realistically does that make a failure? It does make it a failure for the exact reason to me, at least that THEO brought up. We made changes to the roster that failed. They. Cutting you Darvish and you Darvish has been an utter failure like they've poured money into him that they're never going to get back. And I'm not sure they're ever going to get anything out of him as a pitcher. And then you look at what the cubs did. I started the brewers, the brewers. They got Christian yelich who I mean was what to RBI in a home run or the other way around away from the triple crown. In the National League, he won the National League batting title they brought in Lorenzo Cain that lineup was capable of doing things at the cubs Glenn up should have been capable of doing without them making any changes at all, and the cubs were always trying to keep up with the brewers were doing, and it shouldn't have been that way. I, it's such an interesting piece to me that success in I understand success, but that success is so relative to only one thing in the championship or or bust. And that's what we've, we've gotten winning a title every year, not realistic, but that's the expectation be closer and I was to. Proximity to. The NFL championship series your your last year? They were. They were swept. They were nyah lated in LCS by the dodgers and that was a bit disappointing because I felt like they didn't show up, but at least they got back to the s this year. They like they gave up the division title in the closing days. And yes, I realized that they played those forty five games in forty three days to close out the season, but they had the lead in the NL central and they squandered it that lineup, squandered it and it. And now you, you go into the two games in a row at home as well at home, and you lose both of them and now you're done. You can't even make it out of the wild wildcard game. Yeah, that's a failure. You're listening to failure. You're listening to Spain on ESPN radio ESPN. Radio presented by progressive insurance, commercial insurance to progressive protect your business and your dream choose from over thirty coverage options at progressivecommercial dot com. Jason Fitz hanging out with Nicole Briscoe Nicole. In for Sarah, we'll do you think that because Aaron Boone is in his first year as the manager of the New York Yankees. Right. And if you take the Yankees, you win one hundred games. You take the Yankees to the places that the Buni has this year, but he's the manager of the Yankees. I feel like it's the same conversation, but slightly different context because it's the Yankees. You put them up on a pedestal. What if the Yankees Luis tonight? I thought it was maddening that the Yankees fired their manager last year, right. I thought that was maddening and I look at this continually. I'll go back to two years ago when my beloved raiders lost their car at the end of the year, and they've finished twelve and four. They were out in one playoff game. I did not view that as Villier. I viewed that as a really fun to watch our view that even if they had lost with car, you look at that it was like, maybe we went twelve one four. That's pretty sticking. Awesome. I'm looking around the world of major league baseball right now. The Red Sox. The Yankees. I would argue the Indians the Astros all all of those other than let's say, the Braves who were obviously had us. Most people didn't think the Braves we're going to be where the Braves are this year outside of that and the brewers. There are a lot of teams right now that I'm looking at saying, they lose in their fan base is going to look at it and say, well, this whole thing stunk and that that's such a weird sentiment. My mind and in really this is I'm sort of preaching to Lakers fans already because the preseason MBA is started LeBron scores three points and all of other members log that's to be so great. Like you have some. Yes. I'm sorta stuck in like the weird Kobe fan. That's like, how are you going to earn my respect LeBron and sort of like that. Kobe fan who isn't expecting greatness. You have to deliver the greatness for me to respect your greatness. No, see, I think I think you're right. They're like deliver it LeBron, but they're also coming in with it. You know what LeBron you better get us to, you know, we'd better be at three seed in the west or you stink. And I expect that from you. I'm going to watch it like Lakers fans have a weird mindset, many of them when their team's going to be you mentioned Aaron Boone earlier in the pressure. Around the Yankees. He's talked about the pressure. He feels leading. The prince stripes is what he said. When you put this uniform on that goes with the territory. And again, I I used that pressure as a privilege and we'll all embrace that and look to apply that to to our opponent. And yeah, we, we've had a great season to this point, but that's now behind us and the real season starts. Now, our guys will be ready and I look forward to watching them go out and do their thing tomorrow night. It's cool as a cucumber. Yeah, is really is like, you know, those people like in this business, we, we work around people in athletes and things like that. You may have watched as a as a canon. I did just season of Sunday night baseball and Boonie was in the booth. Right? And it's like now I look at it and it's like, dude, like I, that's like somebody that I am a bell fairly good acquaintances with. He's the manager of the Yankees. Like there are certain organizations you're like tickets. I haven't asked, oh, come on Prisco. Are you not asking for Yankees tickets? Good Lord. I really wanted cubs tickets out for guy. I mean, we think air move feel pressure. You're feeling pressure, backs against the wall. You forgot about the birthday or anniversary, it's just as way. Don't worry. You can trust that one, eight hundred flowers dot com. They got you cover to order twenty four multicolored roses for just twenty nine ninety. Nine. All you got to do is go to one eight hundred flowers dot com. Slash ESPN straight ahead. Having those expectations means most of the time you're going to be unhappy as a fan. So I wanna know what fan base is most happy regardless of what record their team ends with what sport. Because we've been arguing about this all afternoon, what sport is looking at it in their fan base is just getting the most enjoyment no matter what happens. Triple eight. Say ESPN eight eight eight seven two nine three, seven, seven six happy fan base is want to hear from you next Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio, Spain, and Fitz technology. Truth brought to you by code. Truth, teenagers can communicate entirely in emojis. Why? Dob birthday party pizza slice kitten, soccer ball, pineapple truth. It's so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. Why are you talking about. Paperclips shoulder shrug, high, five wizard hat what go. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percents or more. Welcome to Spain and fits the podcast, Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio, the ESPN app and Sirius XM channel eighty Jason Fitz Nicole Briscoe Nicole in per se, or we're going to lead you into the AL wildcard game as Yankees. Seven thirty PM eastern on ESPN radio, Golic and wingo. Don't forget. They're going to be live from Columbus. This Friday covering Indiana, Ohio State. I tried to convince most of you last weekend that game's not going to be trash. I can't lie to you anymore. Part of ESPN radio's fall football tour. The party though is going to be spectacular. Brought to you by ice cold. Dr Pepper. The official drink of fans Ville and go. Go, see the guys. It'd be better than the game. That's all I'm saying golden lingo will be better than the game. And she just say, yesterday that that could be I'm just trying to trying reaching I was trying to and I thought about it after I left and I thought, you know what? I don't feel good about that. Hot. Take Tuesday. I've given you. That's what happens. I had too much Dr Pepper while I was listening to will Cain. And suddenly I had a case of the hot takes. That's what happens. You drink Dr Pepper and listen to what can you got the hot takes triple eight. Say ESPN eight eight eight seven, two, nine, three, seven, seven, six to take your call on the shell Pennzoil performance line. I want to know about happy fan bases, and this isn't just about teams is about like this port in gender? Yeah, it's about the sport in general because thinking about it, like baseball guy, you got like half your league that was a relevant by mid season, and then the other half that it feels like. Now, as we identified earlier, like the Red Sox, the Astros the cubs, the Yankees, the list goes on of teams. It will feel sort of like the the season was a waste. If they lose and you think about hockey guy, hockey guys, gonna watch the NHL care so drops. The puck tonight starts, they're seeking sees. They're going to watch this whole long season tire, long season, and then they're going to get to the playoffs and hot goalie wins the Stanley Cup. So everybody's gonna think they have a chain. It's everybody's going to be disappointed, right? Like there's this this moment of like disappointment rears its ugly head. We were talking yesterday about what the legacy of Andy. Rita's because he doesn't win in the playoffs. Like there's just reason for Fram fan bases everywhere to be disenfranchised. That's why I think NBA guy. NBA guy is the happiest because he knows his team's probably not going to win it all and he's just going to watch the highlights. No, but I think that that's that says something about the NBA fan because if NBA fan is happy or okay with the fact that his team is awful and they're out of it, whatever then the NBA fan is is probably not actually a fan of the team. There are a fan of the players and so they're going to watch. We'll just stick with Milwaukee here. Right? They're going to be honest. Right. And if you just playing the Timberwolves than you get you on us and Karl Anthony towns and Andrew Wiggins and maybe perhaps possibly maybe Jimmy Butler. You did get to see Jimmy Butler. So like now you're not necessarily a fan of the team. You're a fan of the players and the experience. Him happy. I think so. I think, yeah, I think NBN guys just taking day one in the world one day at a time. So that's like a fan of the game, the team though, and there, but there are some fan bases out there also that are just incredibly happy. I, you know, I guess Justin in Ohio. Thanks for calling Justin. Tell me who's happy. Alien are hugely Atlanta. Braves. Fan of has a baseball guide grinding out nine, three seasons of ninety loss ninety losses to turn around to ninety one season Ronaldo Tiggy he's just absolute stud and the best. The most excited guy on that team has got to be FREDDY Freeman after all those seasons of tough losses come into the playoffs. He's super excited. Thank guys. I agree Justin. Thanks for the call. Braves, fans are happy right now, but right. Contacts like we're happy now because we were so bad the last couple of years you've given me a bone and I like this bone. So I'm gonna. I'm gonna run with it. You know you've stole that bone from the doghouse that used to belong to the cubs. Once once you have a couple of good years in a row. I mean when I lived in Nashville, I can't tell you how long how often you'd hear Braves fans just lamenting their inability to win the World Series, how good they work through the nineties see and I think to what what makes I think sometimes when you are a fan of a team that plays a lot. So like baseball, you play one hundred sixty two games a season bonus. One hundred sixty three if you're lucky, right? It's sort of. Right. Sorry, it's sort of easy to lose track of your team for a couple of days you go on vacation. You're not really paying attention to the scores, and you come back and you're like, oh, my team won four straight like a lot can happen in just a couple of days because of that schedule. So you kind of don't get caught up in the it's it's a marathon, not a sprint. So it in the NFL if my team loses will you can only lose a couple of times as season. So I hang on the NFL loss more than a hang on that one baseball, loss of coin thing with the NBA. I mean, simple math. There's sixteen NFL games. There's one hundred sixty two baseball games. I constantly say this. That makes one raiders chiefs game as important as ten straight between the Yankees and the Red Sox. So am I happier football fan or am I happier baseball fan? Because I'm confusing myself. That's a good point. And also I have haven't thought much at the end of the year. Baseball fans just not always happy now, Mike and Detroit's got his pulse on one fan base that I, I've got this sport fan in mine. And when I'm talking about this because there's one group of fans, I think are happy. Mike, what do you got. I think college football fans are the happiest of everybody. I mean, don't you think have to college football teams in the nation, win their last game after a bowl? Yeah, absolutely. Mind, thanks for the call. I think Mike wins the argument, I think not only the poles, but like think about this if you are Virginia Tech this year, you're not thinking you didn't come into the, you're thinking national championship might. Maybe he came into the you're thinking ACC might be able to win the big east, like if you're be Dame. Yeah, get the rivalry game, right? If you're if you're sitting in there, I if you're Kentucky, you don't Kentucky football right now, which by the way you guys should be paying more attention to Kentucky? Yes. Clearly the second best team in the east and if Georgia doesn't get things in line, Kentucky is going to knock on that door at some point. If you're Kentucky, you don't think you gotta shout it to the national championship, but just being relevant in the SEC east makes Kentucky fan happy. So different layers of happy there. Do you agree though that college football sort of the college football? The fan. I think most college football fans don't start out fans of the game. I think they sort out fans of the environment, and then it turned into a fan of the game thing over time. Like you're at school and your buddies go to the game, and it's a tailgate in its party, and it's the environment, and it's the cool thing to do to go to the game and back your school. And then because of that, you fall in love with the game, but you still falling in love with the environment and being a part of your Ohio State beat Penn Stater. We gotta have the game against Michigan. It's that part of it. So that's why I think who was that a Matt, Matt. No, I don't know what his name was, but the college football and I haven't slept much memories. There is some also think again, there's there's some of their are relative successes. Oh my God, we qualified for a bowl. If you're vandy would qualify for a bowl, you hold on. Hold on. I'm in the camp. There are too many bulls. If you qualify for a bowl, that means you played college football, that might be the way you approach it. But I'll tell you when van de qualifies for Paul game, all three of vanities fans are like, qualify for throwing a little shade Advani, but you know, I love you guys Matt in Houston with the really interesting take on this map. What do you got. Yeah, you know, I'm I'm actually from Colorado, so I wanted to chime in talk about Colorado sports fans. I feel like we're the happiest fanbase, always relevant Broncos. You know, we have our ups and downs, but we're doing okay. Joe Rockies were hanging in there. We got rock Tober going on, but we've had our bad years, but we still keep coming out our tennis record or ten pin numbers are always up. And then he talked about the Colorado Avalanche always relevant. They'll we're hanging in there. We have our ups and downs, but we keep going keep coming back, Matt, thanks for the call. That's a that's actually a spoilt. Well, that that's also like you live in Denver. You got a lot of reasons to be happy plus, even when you're not happy, you're still happy. You're in Denver, thank you. This is a whole bunch of happiness. All around that. That is that is true. A Denver Broncos fans have been happy for most of my life, which is why I cry so many Sundays. You can keep your thoughts coming on the one, eight hundred flowers dot com. Twitter feed at Jason Fitz at a Rb underscore m. r. s. at memorize. I do remember as I feel pretty good. Look if you're old like me get cramps all the time to experience relief from muscle cramps in your legs and feet got an easy solution used theraworx relief, fast, acting foam, get theraworx relief today in the pain relief. I login local pharmacy or or at their works relief dot com. Straight ahead. It might be the biggest case of dropping the ball ever. And we mean ever tell you about it next pain and Fitz on ESPN radio, Spain, and Fitz on ESPN radio. The ESPN app and Sirius XM channel eighty tastes Vince hanging out with Nicole Briscoe who's in for Sarah, we're going to get you all the way to the AL wildcard game as Yankees. Seven thirty PM eastern on ESPN radio. And even that that I mean, those sweet sounds even make Nicole dance on a on a day of sadness today of sadness, ideal of a long season, freedom sleep deprived and depressed. Well, that's that's sleep last night. I don't believe it was worth it though. Right? You're gonna loss. I can't even try. I tried. I tried to find PA, Polly positive out of it. ESPN radio presenter. By progressive insurance. We're going to be talking about the annual NBA GM survey coming up shortly. Some some interesting pieces in that, but we gotta start with a little bit of shoe action here. Okay, and I know that sounds crazy, but de'andre Eytan number one, big overall playing with the Suns. Monday, put up twenty four points. Nine rebounds in his first thirty minutes of NBA action. There's speculations big expectations. He is a man child. No, he's just, yeah, he's he's a big boy. He's a big boy. Apparently. He's so big boy that it's creating some problems because he's a Puma athlete. All right. And he wasn't wearing his 'Pumas. He's a size eighteen and he came into the game instead wearing Nike Kobe AD shoes with the Nike logo over like like he put some tape over the logo like that really tells any shoe fanatic like, oh, those aren't the Nikes like opened the Swoosh was covered. So this is this is insane to me that Puma who announced the signing right away. And it was a very big deal, hasn't been able to get a shoe ready for Andrei eight. And yet I realized you can't see my face right now because this is radio. I'm dumbfounded, you know, Taylor, twelve minutes after the US failed to make the World Cup and he's like, what are we doing? What are you doing? Isn't like, what's ours are Shaq's shoes shock wears the twenty two or war a twenty two. I don't know. They might be shrinking in old age. The Andre went through a gr. Growth spurt and went from it eighteen to twenty two. And it happened overnight. Like I could get why Puma couldn't be ready for this. But what? What your shoe company? Right? And you know, they obviously he was a by the way Marvin Bagley. The third also, Puma athlete was was facing off against him and was wearing Puma. So apparently Puma was cool with this. I, I don't understand how we got to this point for me if you don't have the shoe ready if you don't know exactly what you're doing, why announce the deal in the first place? Because this only creates a weird conversation around Puma and realistically, NBA players in the shoe deals, they signed are significant to NBA fans. We were talking earlier fans at how happy most of them are. Well, one thing that they pay attention to is what should their favorite guy is wearing and when you've got the Andre eight and giving you any highlights at all in non Bouma's. I mean, lavar ball was able to get a streaming. Just wondering when Lonzo made his debut last year, what shoe was he wearing? It wasn't long. Before it was the big baller brand. I mean, lavar was able to get a Shumate fast in the pool McCain. All right, but lavar output, I should Puma. I'm not sure how I feel about this. I feel dirty. Apparently in Tuesday's practice eight and was testing out the plumas. I just don't understand why this process has an argument, like what else did Puma have on their calendar that they were worried about like they, they made it a big deal that they sign these two guys made it a big deal as part of, hey, we are going to compete with the big boys. We're going to get out there. We are going to be a brand like the big boys they really came in and they put all of their eggs in this basket been working on Puma. Like was your summer busy at the pool. What you've been doing? This is a major. We dropped the ball and less. He's gonna come out for game one of the regular season, and he's going to roll out something amazing. And that's what's going to take our minds off of all of this. Do you think that's possibly what they're doing? I guess. I mean, but even at that, like, you know, maybe maybe that's the conspiracy theater theory in it by not wearing poom is now we're talking about it and then we'll be paying more attention to his shoes came one. I mean, is that where we're supposed to be with fellow games, we felt we felt we fell for it until I fall victim to like. This fallen? Yeah, I don't know. Like I'm still thinking they're developing some sort of like new like maybe there's like jump technology and like little springs or something makes him jump higher. Why would Bagley have shoes and eight and not. Foot sons agents got bigger fee. It can't be that much different. Maybe they have don't want what's funny about this is my brother is remember. There's not abnormally large, but he wears like a size, fourteen shoe whenever you start with like when you put not abnormally in the like like now, all of a sudden I'm picturing your brother is being like, just remember Lenny, the warrant Warner Brothers like the old like I'm gonna love him and hug him and call him George. Like that's what I'm picturing your brother now not have normally lawns, but he's like, he's got a standard Cornfed midwestern kid, right? And he wears a size like fourteen Gish shoe. What's funny about that. Oh, well play. That is how is not? Well, he wears like this, the shoe, the standard like he can't go and buy Nikes or can can go into store and buy Dita's like they don't carry them in stock in that size. But where can he go? Every Puma store he's ever walked into has had his shoe size. And again, I just think that's weird. 'cause the guy us leave of it, I just a little bit bigger, but Tyler Manzke is not going to give you much credit, but Deandra probably will look. I have a cast that was made like a plaster cast. It was made of shacks. I shoot, I size twenty twos did a charity event years ago in shack was on the board of the charity. And so all of us have participated in got that that plaster of his shoe. And I understand how large they are like I understand, but that's a size twenty two. And that's like twenty years ago if they've been able to figure that out twenty years ago, right? This is just a weird look from a brand that was trying to make a a bold statement. I think we felt for something. I, I don't know though I'm still I'm stuck on shoebox in the fourteenth size, fourteen shoes. I mean, that's just sort of won't get you Bachan and tying. So let's we just bring that in throughout the course of the show. I went to a bowling alley recently with two of my closest friends, and I was like, slows Monin half my buddies like, yeah, I'm size ten like fine. And then my other buddy was like size, thirteen in the whole room just looked at him. So I like I'm impressed with your brother straight ahead. We're going to stop talking about shoes. I swear before it gets any more awkward. The question is, does the Yankee season get more awkward tonight? We'll head to the Bronx next Spain and Fitz Nicole. Briscoe in for Sarah. We're on ESPN radio, and there's always, you know, we're hanging out on the ESPN app. Thanks for listening to the Spain and Fitz podcast. 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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 480: Opening Day Recap and Players Who Could Be Traded

GSMC Baseball Podcast

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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 480: Opening Day Recap and Players Who Could Be Traded

"Golden concept in baseball podcast. We cover everything major league from spring training who the world theory. Got your favorite club. Cover from new york. Combatant to elan is the golden state media content. Baseball podcast hello. Everyone and welcome back to the gmc. Baseball podcast brought to you by the gmc podcast network. I'm your host jack ridenour and it's officially. The season opening day was sensational. It was a joy watching all of these games. And it's been even better having baseball every day since april. I hope everyone is doing and staying safe. My folks actually just left town and now it's back to the grind. It was great having them in town. But i will say i'm excited for things to slowly start to open up around here in pittsburgh because they've actually just started allowing a max capacity of seventy five percent in establishments so it'll be nice to go out and do things obviously be safe about it but good to get out of the house and go do stuff since we've been cooped up for most of the last year or so but anyway spokes. Let's get into today show. I want to get into a little opening day. Recap some trade talks and everything in between so i get right into any of the latest news going around the league to fill everybody in on since there have been some big developments would say in the baseball world of then get into a recap from opening day and discussed the different games and just my thoughts from the first day of the season and then later on in the third segment. I'll get into a prediction of who i could see being in first place in each of the divisions by the all star break this year and then make sure as always that you stick around for the final segment. Today as i get into which players we could see being on the move and on the trading block come trade deadline so we've got a jammed pack. Show a really really good one. But i wanna get right into the latest news. That comes from the mets camp as they now have signed francisco. Lindor to a whopping ten year. Three hundred forty one million dollar deal ten years three hundred and forty one million dollars. That is a large sum of money and he wanted the deal done. I remember i remember. I had come on the show before we mentioned this. He wanted the deal done before april first because he did not want to have any contract negotiations in the season and during the season he said it wouldn't have been fair to teammates. Wouldn't have been fair to him and he would have had to reserve everything for after the season and so it was good that they again. I mean hey they cut it really really close. But it's good that they were able to settle on something both parties were both very happy from what it seems like. And steve cohen is the new owner. I mean hey he's he. I think he is really whipping this this team into shape. I mean he's really did a nice job at training this team around this whole franchise like i mentioned you know going out and hiring the law firm to kind of could kandara investigate. The conduct that goes on internally. You go out. Now you've got this franchise player with you. You make a bunch of moves in the offseason. Hey i mean. Things are on the up. And up for the mets. I would think and pete alonso actually kind of joked on social media and he said that he hoped that the mets would give him like four hundred million or something like that but i mean kind of close right not terribly close but much closer than it would be if there was one hundred fifty million right but this is the third largest deal in. Mlb history behind. Mike trout and mukhi beds so a large large contract and the contract includes limited are. The contract is limited to a no trade clause. That's what includes and then zero opt-outs as well so making lindores a met for life. I mean ties him up in new york. But i think he wanted to be there for the long extended period of time and now this could be the richest contract and mlb history for a shortstop by one million dollars over taty so literally just one more million dollars that that lindores signed for is the difference between having the largest contract for shortstop. 'cause totti's had a before and now lindores has it and it's going to be. I think a huge couple of years in new york. I think linda will be the center piece in the face of this team for many years. And quite frankly i think in the next ten years the mets win a world series at least get to the world series. I don't know if they'll necessarily you know when two or three or four. But i could see them winning at least one. You would think they would win. At least one would hope. At least. But i want to get into this other piece of news. It's a very interesting concept and as we all here no baseball's trying to revolutionize itself right baseball is trying to do anything and everything it can to become more action packed. Become more exciting. There's more action in the field. They're trying to reduce the strikeout rates in the walk rates. And it's actually this concept of. I'm going to get into. I heard it. I on pardon the interruption with michael wilbon and tony kornheiser and it's an idea that could be revolutionary to the game and it involves moving the mound back a foot or so to increase the percentage of balls in play and decrease the exponential number of strikeouts. That occur so right now and it's been like this for many many many many many years. Sixty feet six inches is the distance in which the pitching mound is to the plate. Now theo epstein the Former executive for the cubs. He has been kind of on the forefront working with the mlb of wanting to change the game and bring more action to baseball because again. Many people are kind of annoyed with house. Slow baseball is how baseball is just kind of turned into a his game and many of the players have especially hitters of come out and said that it's kind of annoying how they have such little time to react pitches and the guys are getting even better and bigger and stronger and throwing even harder and the game has not necessarily adjusted to those pitchers and epstein doesn't want major major changes. He doesn't want to completely change baseball. He just wants subtle ones. That will kind of gradually get implemented over time and then as a result people will become a little bit more used to it and it will also start kind of go along with the development of baseball as a whole and the issue that people are having is that there's just no action there's zero action not to mention. The strikeout rate is at an all time. High in nineteen ninety. The strikeout rate was at fifteen percent. It's almost two twenty five percent now. That's a ten percent jump in twenty thirty years. That's a pretty sizable jump. If you ask me and he says moving the about the mound back would actually allow these hitters to have more response time to hitting and it also balances out the strikeout rate so we got does a multitude of things and i think that is what's really good about kind of epsteins mentality is that he's looking to try and better baseball. He's not necessarily trying to completely change it. He's not trying to completely alter it. He's trying to revolutionize and change it in a way in which people are going to be more excited to watch it and those just general fans not those die hard fans but those general fans are going to want to stick around and watch games and maybe become the die hard fans that are out. There and pitchers have started again to develop quicker with the short mound velocity on basketball. I mean there again an all time. High from two thousand and eight to two thousand and twenty. The average speed of four seam fastball all fastballs combined breaking balls combined all off speed pitchers combined increased by one and a half to two miles an hour so again another instance to show. That pitchers has started to really. I would say advanced started to advance quicker than the game of baseball has and we've and this is something that has happened in sports. Many many years. And i don't mean to draw sports correlations but i'm gonna do it will chamberlain was such a force down low in basketball that they had to change the lane for him. They had to change the size of the lane. They had to implement three seconds. They had to do something because he was just too dominant and it was not enjoyable to watch. It's the same thing here. We have pictures that are just dominant. We've got guys like coal. We've got guys like justin verlander or josh hader or whomever it might be. That are pumping ninety seven ninety eight ninety nine. And then you've got guys like aroldis. Chapman that are pumping hundred miles. An hour and the reaction time is minimal. It's it's literally no time to react and then you also have to admit or at least a acknowledge that pictures are much taller. Nowadays pitchers are much taller. They've got longer arms got longer released points bigger hands so as a result when they're actually releasing the ball they're not even the ball is not necessarily coming from sixty feet. Six inches is actually coming about fifty four and a half feet from the plate. So that's it. I mean it gets six inches less of reaction time for for hitters and as a result of ball's gonna becoming much quicker than it would if the mount had been moved back maybe a foot or so now. I don't really know if the mound being moved back is necessarily the exact thing that they need to do because if they do that are they going to extend the base paths or are they going to move that back for. If you're gonna do that you're going to have to do it for everything right. You're going to have to. You're going to have to completely don't want to completely overhaul which are going to have to completely revitalizing revamp. Everything in baseball field. Because it's going to have to stay tailored to wear the pitching mound. Is i feel but that's just me. But the biggest argument that the game needs to adjust to the players. And just how how. It's how it's how it is today right. I mean players have increasingly develop their skill but they've also gotten bigger. There's been an more emphasis on strength and weightlifting. And as a result pitchers are going to be at a much higher point than they were probably in the nineteen sixties in the nineteen seventies again. This would be a very interesting thing to have happened. I don't know if that's necessarily because i think that there are more rules that need to be implemented. But there's also a fine line and theo epstein even talked about in the article i was reading. He said that he doesn't want to hendra baseball's development. He doesn't wanna harm the game. He doesn't want to implement too many changes. That would maybe deter or detract fans in general but also those die hard fans because of just the overhaul in rules and so you have to go about this in a very calculated way and if not you again you could lose a lot of people's interest in the sport and that's already starting to happen and i'm going to get into it in a minute here because a really i think a lot of this boils down to is an age thing. It's an age. We have right now right. People that are in my age range. Though eighteen to thirty five they are more looking for the action. They want the high powered offense. I mean get into it but on opening day there was the rangers and the royals combined for twenty four runs. People want to see that. Now i personally am not a fan of winning seventeen fifteen or what. I'm not a huge fan of that. I do like it. It is very action packed. But i don't think of it as baseball. I think of that as like a low scoring football game. You know a defensive grind in the football game. I i would like to see games at are like in the maybe nine to seven range. The ten to eight range the six to seven range. Something like that when you're scoring still combined double digit runs. But it's not nearing thirty. Total runs between two teams. But there's also fans that are a little bit older an older age range so from forty to sixty that like baseball the way it is. They like the slower pace. They like the inactive nece on the base paths and so on and so forth and a lot of these rules are being implemented again in the minor leagues. You see where the base paths are starting to shrink. Just because they're increasing the size of the basis you've got robotic a umpires calling balls and strikes all of the and they're limiting the amount of shifts that you can have all of these things are trying to work itself into baseball in a way to make the game a little bit more fascinating a little bit more interesting. And i'm glad that this year they're sticking with the man on second starting in the extra extra innings. I think that is a very interesting. And i personally think that's going to make games a lot more exciting. And it's also because you know love and eighteen a game. I really do. So i don't fall in this classification but there are people that don't like that that are board after the twelve inning. They're like okay. let's get on with it. Somebody win and let's get home. I get that. I really do and theo epstein. Even in the article he understood why people might have a pushback on some of this stuff. He completely understood that. And i think that is another thing that because he's so in tuned with what people want. He loves the game of baseball and he's got a great relationship with players. I think that he's going to figure something out. That's going to help this game along and and help this game again kind of develop in advance and evolve if you will into the future because you know let's face it. There's a lot of things that are going on in baseball. Now that did not happen in the sixties and one of them is. I'm to get into admit is statistics and analytics. And i'm gonna wrap up the first segment here with this this article i read. It's about a little pole that the athletic conducted for fans and discussed what fans like and dislike from baseball in recent years. So again going back to the rules thing what they do. And don't like and the survey found that ninety percent of avid fans and percent of all fans feel analytics have started to take over baseball. You know i hate to. I hate to say this. But i i completely agree. I think that there is a certain point where analytics does overdrive and kind of overpower the sport. And i feel like that's what happened and you see it in other sports right when they when they call it kind of. You're playing the numbers game. That's the big thing. Nowadays playing the numbers eight. And it means that you're you're doing something or you're you're putting somebody in in play you're putting somebody on the field on the court wherever that you're doing it based off of a statistic or number that somebody ran and it comes out in a in a positive fashion and something. That intrigues you. And you're not doing it based on the sheer talent and who is able to perform at that level right. That's kind of the the. The biggest thing is that a lot of this deals with the dichotomy. It's kind of this. And i get it. I mean you have somebody. That is specializing analytics. And they say this guy is going to be your guy that you want the eighth inning. Because he does x. y. and z. In the eighth inning. But then you've got this other guy on your team. That's actually a really good pitcher. He hasn't been pitching great but his numbers are not like that in the eighth inning. You put the guy that got great numbers in the eighth inning and he implodes in the first three times. You put them in the eighth inning in three different games. All of a sudden you're kind of looking at the analytics guy like what happened. And that's the issue when the analytics is wrong. I don't know if there's really an answer for why it was wrong. And that's i think what would be the most frustrating thing for me as a coach as a manager. Having to understand that you're going to have to deal with the analytics being wrong. And that's that. I don't think the analytics should have the last final word so i do fall in that ninety percent of of avid fans that would like analytics to take a little step back. Because they're guys that are going to step up and be clutch and get locked in because again at that point. It's not necessarily about analytics. It's just about a mentality that players will have. Are they capable of handling the pressure in that high power high pressure situation. It stuff like that. it's not necessarily. Oh in this guy you know our is his number like this for this statistic in this situation of the game that we can put him in. It's not like that. It should be okay. This guy is great in this pivotal situation. We need to have him in in in in play at some point and then the the survey went on to say over half of mlb fans actually find the pace of game to be just fine and only twenty three twenty eight percent said it was slow so some people might not want them to be moved back. Some people might be okay with where it's at right now and sixty six percent of the fans feel the. It'll be shouldn't make any more changes. So although analytic seems to be overpowering baseball people don't want the rules to change. And i think that there has to be some sort of hand in hand change with the rules within also with just the general analytics things because i think analytics is forcing the game to change or vice versa. They're kind of helping each other along. And so i feel that if analytics takes a step back then we might see a stepping back of rules being implemented but who knows and again it just comes down to a generational divide. Older fans want the game to stay the same younger fans. They want the the the the big time change. They want rules to be revolutionized and revitalized and so as a result you kind of have the split and it goes back to new. And i think there's a lot of people that would like to see baseball. Have some sort of new rules even if it is those older range fans. I do think though at the same time that there's some things about the game of baseball that are unique. That need to stay the way they are. Because it's a unique sport. And i think that if you start messing with it too much that's when you're going against start deterring people for wanting to do that and for you know changing the game and deterring people from watching right and and who knows i mean the. Mlb might overstepped a boundary. They might try illicit too much change epstein had said that. He doesn't want that to happen and he does worried that there could be too much change but that could happen. You know if you don't take your foot off the gas a little bit and kind of slow down and realize okay. What do we have here. What's in front of us right now. Do we have everything that we need to change this game or are we not quite. Are we trying to rush the process. Are we trying to skip steps. One through six and go to steps seven through ten. It's very very hard thing to do. I couldn't imagine having to change the rules of a sport in this far along in the game of the sport right. I mean the game of baseball. It's been around since the eighteen hundreds and we're in the two thousand and twenty so right there literally america's pastime right. It's literally that's what it's called so i if something's upstate state unique some things i think should change. It's going to find that balance. And if they can find that balance phillips epstein can figure out that balance. I think they'll be just fine. I really really do. But we'll have to see anyways anyways folks that's gonna do it for us in our first segment but don't go anywhere. Because when i get back from the commercial break i'll get into an opening day. Recap and share my thoughts from the games around the league on the first day of the season folks stay right there. We'll be right back here on the. Gmc baseball podcasts. This ultimate suffer everything. Sports golden state media concepts or podcast. Should i say more from the nfl. Mlb nba to 'em all in here. Golden state media concepts sports podcast. Listen welcome back to the gmc baseball. Podcast where i know with you all an inner verse segment. I dot into the latest news going around the league and touched on quite a bit on the potential rule changes. That are going to happen or could happen in baseball. But make sure you stick around for the final few minutes of the show today as all get into discussing which players could be dealt and on the move and trades. Come the trade deadline this year. I want to get into and give a little hole opening day breakdown. If you will in recap and just discuss some things i saw from the games i watch but also from around the league so i only was able to watch because i just have kind of the typical cable package. I was only able to watch the blue jays and the yankees. And then i got to see the dodgers in the rockies. I obviously local. Tv got to see the pirates and the cubs a little bit. But i did see a couple innings of the as an astros game and then i wound up going to bed but i did watch quite a bit of baseball. I have to say it was probably the most baseball that i have watched since probably the season so i'll jump right into the first game. Toronto and the yankees and losing yankees was actually a really good game to watch. It was a solid picture. I would say early on high engine review came out. I mean really really humming early on. I mean he is a very good pitcher. I did not. I forgot how good of a pitcher he was. Because i'm so used to him being on the dodgers and whatnot and now that he's on the blue jays kind of forget about him but he's such a talented pitcher. He's got such a wide range of pitches that he uses and not to mention. He had a great defense behind him. I mean marcus. Simeon had an incredible play at one point or another having. Bijou had a huge web. Jim play as well but the blue jays were aggressive. Offensively early on from what i noticed. And i could just tell with how they they seem to just attack garrett cole and they did not have any fear oscar hernandez had a humongous home run. Round up tying the game up at two. Because gary sanchez had a really big home. Run himself that were that was able to put the yankees ahead two to one. The blue jays scored early on a little bit. Got a little bit all over garrett cole but then he was able to settle down gear call actually had seven case through four innings so he he pitched very well. I mean he pitched really really well. And i think people i think people expect him to be kind of this lights out guy and he is a lights out guy. I mean i would say he's a lights out guy and when he's not performing at the level that i think people expect them to i think they automatically think he's not good and i don't know why that is because he's a great pitcher. He's a phenomenal pitcher. I mean he had a couple of rising fastballs that were touching ninety. Seven ninety eight into the fourth and fifth inning. I mean he was going further and again we. They haven't been playing baseball for a couple of months. Now so and and i remember hearing some of the guys on tv. I think it was awarded. Perez worked him kirch and one of the two and they mentioned. Don't be shocked if you're gonna see a lot of just five inning outings. The first couple first couple games for some of these pitchers that are still trying to work themselves back into a one hundred and sixty two game grind. They don't wanna burn themselves out at this point. That's the problem. That is the issue. And i think that is a smart thing to do because guys are their arms are not adjusted to going back to what it was before the pandemic. And you don't wanna have. Somebody have a stress fracture or a stress injury by june so having five innings inning outings early on a very smart move but again back into the game. I got gary sanchez. a lot of credit. 'cause he from what i hear. He's lost a lot of weight. Changed his catching. His is catching crouch his catching position and a huge home run. And i mean that was really the main action right to ask hernandez homerun and quite frankly. I really hope that kiosk or has another really big year. I think it's a great thing that he started out with a home. Run early on in the season I think that you know what he had a great year. A season ago he was actually one of my favorite players from twenty twenty. That really kind of blew up and burst on the scene. I hope he can continue that on into twenty twenty one. He's got a great swing. Quick swing lots of power generates a ton of power actually behind it. But i was kind of concerned for the blue jays wants jin ryu exited the game because and it was a great point. I can't remember if at eduardo perez. Or tim curtin said it but they said that the main issue and it's very true the main issue the blue jays have right now is who they're going to rely on pitching wise when it's review to were you. So when they go from the top of the rotation with review and then back to review those four other starters who are they gonna go to. Who's going to be there reliable arm. That's going to save them. I think last night or yes on opening day their bullpen save them. The bullpen was huge for both teams. I mean i gotta give a lot of credit to o'day for the yankees. He had a great outing when he was in. Gotta give a lot of credit to marry weather for. The blue jays had a great inning. Gotham of the bottom nine. He was actually in a huge bottom nine jam and he was able to get out of it forced extra inning situation randall. Grischuk wound up doubling in the top of the tenth score. the score. the kind of deciding run if you will made it three two two but a win behind the blue jays bullpen. I've got to give a lot of credit to them. They came in arm after arm held their own. Whether it was the top the middle or the bottom of the lineup. They were not fazed at all. And that's going to be something. That is a question mark. I think this blue jays team is what the rest of their starting pitching can do. Because we can't do it all and what their bullpen can do. because they've taken some hits with their bullpen. George springer unfortunately out for about ten days i believe with an oblique strain so he was not able to play so we didn't get to see him in his in his blue jays debut but nonetheless a great win for the blue jays but then getting into the dodgers and rockies game this was an interesting game a very interesting game and i don't know if it was the weather or what but the dodgers did not play. Well they just did not play well at all i. I can't say that they did a whole lot of really good. I mean they did some good things but there was some things that they did. That were a little questionable and one of them was this. So this is in the third inning. Right top of the third. And you you you know by the time this comes out. You've probably already seen this but bellinger hits a home run and raimondo's hoppy actually had it in his glove. He drops it because when he went up to rob the home run his hands his his glove hand hit the top part of the fence and it and it knocked the ball lose and as a result it was a home run. Bellenger saw it as a home run. Justin turner already on base and so he was running and he saw the top. You had or what he had assumed caught it so he immediately turns around and starts running back to first base but he crossed paths with cody bellinger. And so as a result. It nullify cody. Bellinger's homerun justin turner was able to score. But cody bellinger was actually called out and so it was a massive just miss miscue on the dodgers part and especially on justin turner's part i again i at first when you see this. You're kind of like one of the world how to somebody that experience that kind of mistake. Well it's colorado so the ball carries so i mean cody bellinger a far far far far away and when you're on the base path and you look and you see somebody that seems to have caught it. Yeah your first. Initial reaction is to make it back. Because you don't want to kind of think. Oh he must have dropped it and he didn't act. i mean. imagine if he had actually not dropped and he just kept running and how foolish she would've looked in. You know. I mean he was he was being. I will say he was being heads up and i mean he probably should've watched it through the entire way and you should probably have also listened to cody. Bellinger because cody bellinger was literally waving him forcing. It's a home run. It's a home run. But there's nothing you can really do in that situation but the rockies. They must have smelled blood after that. I don't know what they jumped all over the dodgers after that next inning. It was a huge huge safety squeeze from garrett hamson scored owings always had actually stand up triple in the bottom of the third and so only put down a nice squeeze bunt. It was beautiful rain kind of no man's land on the right side of the field kind of in between the pitcher's mound and the first baseman and it was a tough play. I mean it was a hard play to make was not made gary hamson put down beautiful bundy. He was actually safe to so as a result. A join norma's a jain normal run for the rockies to get things going and they just kept piling on the runs after that for for clayton kershaw. He gave up ten ten hits. He gave up ten hits in his outing and all over him right. I mean they. They had four runs in five innings off of kershaw. He did not get great support. An air by seeger. That scored run not the greatest runs or not the greatest defense behind him but at the same time. Kershaw did not pitch great. I mean you can't really put it all on the defense. i mean. He did not pitch that well at all and bottom six kershaw lit up three straight singles. Right back up the middle each time at the one after another after another back to back to back singles and they were all in the same spot. They were pitches that were in the same spot and the rockies hitters. They put them right back on the line. Right back at him and it was kind of interesting. The rockies look very good and very aggressive which is shocking but was more shocking was they seem to have been looking for more contact hits and not really swing for the fences and i wonder if we're starting to slowly see the changing in kind of hitting mentality or the hitting approach for hitters right now bright because of all the changes with the baseball and this that and the other there might now be more and we might start seeing it more more singles. We might start seeing guys trying to just you know be good contact hitters and not really swinging for the fences anymore and so i wonder if again this is kind of the first signs of this picture of this of this hitting approach kind of changing rockies wound up in bases loaded jam and the top of the ninth. They were able to get out of it and again fifteen hits for the dodgers only five runs so not very good production out of them not good production at all in again. That would quite frankly frighten me. I mean again. I know this is opening day. So you can't really get that all up in arms about things and i do understand that but at the same time you don't want to start the season on the wrong foot right and kershaw did not look very good in his season debut at all the dodgers as a whole did not look that great at all couple airs like i mentioned again the rockies. They just they just jumped all over them. That was really all it was. They just jumped all over them. They were aggressive from the plate. Pretty solid base running again. That big base running miscue by justin turner did not help the rockies. They wound up winning. I mean they and a solid eight five game. Actually it was. It was a fun game to watch. It was actually probably my favorite game to watch during the day because of all the different things that happened and then i would say probably. The blue jays yankees for a close second was shocked by the pirates. I'll give them the pirates and a little bit but it was very shocked by the pirates. But now i wanna get into the houston oakland game from what. I watched a couple innings. Pretty quiet through the first three innings. I was actually a big pitching duel. I would say chris. Bassett only gave up one hit through two innings grank. He retired the first eight batters. He faced grandkids somehow really effective still. I don't know. I don't know how he does it. Because his fastball velocity is at an all time. Low the air from twenty nineteen years an all time. Low eighty eight miles an hour compared it in two thousand and ten when it was ninety four and what was interesting was i mean we have to remind ourselves. Cranky came into the league as a hard-throwing fastball pitcher. And now he's kind of developed into these kind of evolved and he's and he's been able to adjust with the game into more of an off speed many pitching kind of arsenal if he will kind of pitcher right and he not to mention. I mean he's got a great changeups got one of the best changeups in baseball. Probably and how good he is with that. Change of i think is what's keeping him around relevant. Even though he's getting way up in age but again it was a solid good solid pitching duel early on which was always fun to watch and all of a sudden though the astros they woke up. The bats later on. I mean two runs in the top of the sixty two runs on the top of the eighth and then three in the top of the ninth wound up beating the as eight to one so a huge opening day win for the athletic for the astros. But if you're the athletics would not get too hung up on it. Same thing with the dodgers. Same thing with the yankees. It's the first day of the season. It was the first game. So you've got a hundred and sixty one more to go or one hundred however many more to go but just getting in some other notes highlights from around the league from opening day ago. Cabrera actually hit the first home run of e two thousand and twenty one season. It's four hundred and eighty career home. Run so that's going to be a milestone and i'm gonna do that segment in a couple of weeks from now milestones to watch this year. There are a lot of milestones to watch. I know i believe sure or Sherzer is seven ks away from two thousand career case. I could be wrong on that. But again i would have to i. I'm gonna do a little bit more of a deep dive later on but it's a milestone to watch and cabrera going to five hundred home runs. That's a big milestone to watch. But shane bieber in the tigers. Indians game got absolutely lit up by the tigers. I mean he gave up four runs in an inning. Which he's never. He never did that last year. And this and again. That's an opening day but he does become the first ever pitcher. I'm sorry the second pitcher in indians. History behind bob feller to ever have ten plus k's in consecutive day starts so again remember. Last year he had thirteen fourteen k's will he did the same exact thing on opening day too but it was again exciting to see. Miguel cabrera off swinging and being aggressive. I mean hey. I know i said he should. Maybe we're tired after this year. You five hundred home runs. I don't know that would probably give me kind of a an idea or a clue. Like hey maybe. I should just walk away from the game now. But that's just me so again really excited to see what cabrera's going to do this year but then going to the pirates came to bryan hayes. He looked sensational. I mean sensational. Great swing powerful swing great glove at third base. I mean listen living in pittsburgh right. You're around a lot of pittsburgh fan. I've got all of my friends are pittsburgh fans. My girlfriend's dad is a giant enormous. Pittsburgh fan bleeds black and gold. And all you hear nowadays if you bring up the pirates around the first thing that comes out of their mouth ke bryan hayes. Ke bryan hayes. It's the first thing they say it's incredible. It's unbelievable how much impact this player has had on a franchise and he's literally played like maybe fifty games. I'm not looking at it right now. But maybe fifty career. I could be wrong on that. But there is so much promise and i now i see it because before i you know i obviously saw but i mean he really came out strong against the cubs had a two run homer in the first inning dot things going for the buck owes cubs did answer right back. I mean they've knocked around chad cool and i think that's gonna be the problem with the pirates all year long that in a multitude of other things but they're pitching is going to be atrocious. And i think that. Brian reynolds and bryan. Hayes are going to be the saviors of this team and again. I don't think they're going to be doing a whole lot of saving. I mean i have a running joke with my friends right. Now that i think the pirates can can get sixty two wins this year. I really do because some people i think. The caesar's sports betting book had them at fifty eight and a half as the over under. I'm good. I really hit that over. I think that they could get sixty two. But it wouldn't be much over the over the over if you will. But i think that they again. I mean fielding was not very good either. They were throwing the ball around the infield. They're just a mess. They are and and i hate to say that because and i am a huge brewers fan so as a result it's like well you know i'm glad i don't have to worry about them and it's always nice when the brewers coming into town because now my friends and i will go to the game. And i'm the one brewers fan and everyone's like oh boy or with the brewers fan but at the same time i think he bryan hayes is going to be a centerpiece for this pirates team. Unless they decide to unload him too. I think that would be the worst move that they could possibly do if they are smart. They build this team around. Bryan hayes for the future and if they're smart in the offseason or whenever he's up for arbitration or whenever his contract is up they sit him down and say we are going to build the team around you. You were going to be the center of this team because the guy has that much potential and he's got that much talent. I really do believe that. He's a very very good player. And what's also interesting and it's again another issue. The pilots are gonna have the pirates had two men on and no outs for the first five innings each of the first five innings and they still only amassed four runs out of that. They wound up winning five three. But i mean that's leaving home. Any runners on base. And that's a huge pet peeve of mine in baseball is when teams leave runners on base. I really can't stand that. And i don't think that should ever happen. Especially if you have two or three men on and it's no outs you should be able to drive in one of those runs unless you're going up against a pitcher that is just not missing his spots that day at the end of the day though the pirates they got the win. They got the opening day win. And i think it's going to be one of the few that they're gonna have a hate to say that but it was a nice promising sign on the first day of the season that they got him the w again. I don't root for the pirates but always hoped they do well because they don't necessarily challenge my team as much now if they were challenging my team. Yeah i would not want them to do well at all but again right now where they're ad i kinda just. I'd like them to do. I'd like them to be on the positive side of things not the negative side things but then just running through some other things in the league. Royals and rangers combining for ten or a. Excuse me Twenty four total runs. They combined for ten runs and eleven hits in just the first inning. So there's kind of an example of very different hitting approaches or at least just just just great offense on both sides for the rangers and the royals with the braves phillies pablo sandoval. Had two home runs bomb for the braves. I mean where did he come from right. I mean i forgot. I remember vaguely when i did my Segment on which players should retire. After the season. I remember same. Pablo sandoval and maybe he should. Maybe he should stick around because that might be an interesting Pickup and interesting player for the braves. Then getting in some other in that. Same game Gene cigar one of walking off for the phillies. And then into the brewers game. I want to touch on this briefly. Bergeford down most the game against the twins. Getting the bottom of the ninth. Travis shaw who i think this is a huge redemption year for him because he's struggled the last few years in the in the mlb both with the blue jays. And with the brewers. This is a great start for him to out or excuse me i think it was a run a one out double double scores two runs ties the game up at five in the bottom ninth and then they wind up winning. The top of the earned the bottom of the tenth orlando arcia. Hit this really hard. Hit high ground off. The edge of the plate bounces up. Second baseman comes charging in kane slides beautiful slide by kane. Might you know what i mean. Completely avoided tag slid on the outside half. The plate was in safe. They won on that fielder's choice so it was a normal star win them and then getting into the padres and diamondbacks game putters did wind up winning. Darvish gave up a ton of runs. And he i mean. The diamondbacks had four homers in the fifth inning. Couple off of him so a really really big day for the padres but a huge for the diamondbacks in terms of just confidence booster four homers and a in an in an inning. That's a lot that's pretty hard to do. But all in all a great day of opening day baseball and it was great over the weekend. Sunday night baseball. And we've just got it from here on out the rest of the way. So i'm really excited for that folks that's gonna close things out here for us on our second segment and the gmc baseball podcast. 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Follow us on facebook and twitter and download on itunes soundcloud and google play. Welcome back to the kids. Baseball pot has great to have you here still with me today jack. Right now again in the previous segment. I got right into discussing recap and a breakdown of the opening day games and i shared what i saw from the first day of games on the first day of the season and i wanna get into predicting which teams i could see being in first place of their respective divisions by the all star break and who could be the early leaders in their division. So i'll go through each division. And i'll discuss. Why think that team will be in the first place by the all-star break but i don't necessarily think they'll be in first place by the end of the season so in the al eased. I personally think the yankees will be in first place by that point. They've i think they're a team that will start out very strong know that they kind of started off a little bit slow but again. I think they'll pick things up. It's very very good team gary sanchez. Guebre torres both lost considerable amount of weight. And they look like they've got their swings back in shape gary sanchez again with that opening day. I'm sure that's really kind of got his his confidence up at a very high level. Right now i will say yankees need to have hitters perform the way they should. I do fear that this yankees team at times will underperform judge. Stanton give me this feeling of. They're very hot and cold. They are very. Oh yeah. they're hitting really well today and then the next day hitting well at all though either go for four four four for four with two doubles and the next day. They'll go over five with three strikeouts right. And i will say. I think that. I mean it's a toss up on who i think is a better hitter. I think they're both very compatible hitters. I just one. I that they're they're going to be under performing at some point this year. I think that some of these teams and again. This is something to watch for all teams. They all are going to be pretty much gas. Probably by the all star break. So could we start seeing fatigue. Really start to set in by the middle part of the season and the latter half of the season. It's just kind of a big mess because players are not used to playing one hundred and sixty two games in the last two years. So i do kind of worry if the yankees will underperform due to that they do have a lot of guys on their team. That are coming off a big time. Injuries and again have not really been playing in the majors. Much like corey kluber jameson. Couple of guys on the mound. And i do worry about that a little bit their bullpen. Though i have been very impressed with so i think that their their offensive capabilities which again are very high. Because they've got a lot of guys that can hit. I mean glider. Tories can hit. you've got. go your shoah. who could hit. You've got giancarlo stanton. Who can hit. Clinton frazier can hit. Aaron judge can hit gary sanchez. Luke boyd the list goes on and on and on they all can hit there. It's a very good team. And i think that their bullpen was kind of a big time. It was a pleasant surprise. I worry about their rotational. Because again it's a little banged up and just worried that they're going to be under performers and the blue cheese really went toe to toe with them. I mean the blues. I think are going to give them a run for their money the raise. I don't know what to think of them again. They're a team. That i think they just rely too much on defense. They rely too much on pitching. They rely too much on the bullpen. And they don't really emphasize the offense. I mean they beat the marlins on opening day. One nothing off a homer that was about it. That was really like the only serious offense and so that's why worry if the rays are going to give them a run for their money. But i think the bluejays are going to definitely pushed the envelope. A little bit and really be nipping at the heels of the yankees. But i think by the all star break the yankees will be in first place. I don't think it will be a large margin. I think it'll be a very very close close kind of difference between them. And who've whomever is going to be in second but we have the kind of just monitor how these teams that are coming off of and again the the yankees played further along into the year than most teams did lash because they were in the playoffs but at the same time that means a shorter offseason. So could we see fatigue that in earlier. We'll have to see. But i do have them being in first place by the all star break for the central. I'm going to go with the twins even though they fell on opening day to the brewers i still was very impressed with just their overall lineup. Lewis are is great player nelson cruz. Great player angleton. Simmons had a couple Hits in his at twins debut. This is a team. This is a very very good team. And i think that the white sox are going to suffer without eloy jimenez. I think not having. Eli jimenez in. the lineup. is definitely going to be a problematic thing for them. I really do believe that. Because he brings so much offense for them. And you have to hope that you'll want moncada is going to bring that same offense and replace it a little bit because he really lacked in that offensive category last year. And so i think the twins they can start out strong and again the twins or a first-half team. Let's reminders of this twins. Team they will come storming out of the gates but then come august september they really start to plateau so this is a team that i think will have probably one of the stronger starts out of the teams that i think are going to be in first place by the all-star break but i do think that they're going to be one of the few teams that winds of either plateauing or faltering towards the end of the year not necessarily doing their first place foothold but i could see them being set by the white sox again eli jimenez. Being out does do a lot of things to that. They still have jose abreu. They still have nick madrigal. Still have tim anderson. They still have all the pitching that they have. Lucas giolito dallas kaikal lance lynn. They've got money grondahl. I mean they've got a lot of guys. That are going to do a lot of things. And i know that it's just one player but he does have a big impact but it's just one player. We have to remind ourselves of that. And i have to say the twins of also improved the bullpen pitching. They lost a lot of is in free agency. I know that randy dobnak came out of the bullpen. And wound up getting the loss against the brewers. But you know what i think. They've got a lot of guys that can play really really well. I think they've got a lot of guys that can perform. And i think that it's a team that is just one one piece away or they're they're one game away or they're they're always just they're always the bridesmaid but never the bride. They're they're right there but they're never getting the finish line and i wanna to see them get to that finish line. I want to see them get over that hump in really take that jump of development and say. Hey we're gonna we're gonna win this division this year and we're going to get out of the first round of the playoffs so i do have them being in first place by the all-star break but again by the end of the year. I don't know if that's going to happen now. Getting the al west. I'm going to say the astros are going to be in first place but this is another one that i don't really know how confident i am in this. Because i think the angels are going to challenge them significantly. I think that what healthy show attorney for the angels. It does a lot of different things. And now you have jose iglesias. Now you have and again. You have anthony rundown. You obviously also have mike trout. And i think you know in the. The pitching has gotten a little bit better too. I think that this angels team will challenge teams like the astros and the as and then not to mention the as i mean. They've got all of the pieces that they have right. I mean they do have a couple of guys that are on the injured list right now. But they're pitching has been strong and always strong matt chapman matt olsen. They might be one of the most feared three four hitters in all of baseball. And i mean this is the the apple argetine but the astros have impressed me. I will say i again. Continue to get very impressed with them because their offense is still very strong. I mean beating up on the as eight one on opening day. I mean that's a perfect example. And they do they. They did resign. Some guys lance mccullers. They did resign. Michael brantley. I just wonder about this team. Because i think that there is. I think it's there's one there's one thing that could really kind of opole full kind of a tablecloth off the table. If you will have the go flying. And i it's just one one player getting traded from that. I think they're one player. Being traded away or off that team away from having that happen. Where whether it's carlos correa whether it's hozeal tubay whether it's zach ranki whether it's whomever i think what the what's going to happen this i think the answers are going to start strong and then at some point they're going to start filling out. I think that they're gonna wind up struggling and they're gonna wind up having to unload some guys just to get any sort of pieces for the future and try and get some incentive back guys like carlos correa is up at the end of the year now the other aspect of it is i could see them maybe to saying hey. We're going to band together. One last run. Let's show everybody that we can win without cheating. And let's get to the world series and so maybe there might be a little bit more of a sense of urgency out of this team. That time is ticking. And they are against the clock because carlos correa. He's been saying he doesn't really know if he's going to resign from what i've heard and what i've read contract negotiations and contract extension with him those conversations. I have not been going in the direction that the astros won so as a result i do think that the astros they might have a little bit of an issue on their hands if they don't go far this year if they don't go to the world series so i think that they might start realizing that and as a result you know the the players can start playing with a little bit of more of a sense of urgency like i said but i definitely think that this is a year where other teams talent is to rival the astras. I don't wanna say it's the exact same but it's starting to creep up closer and closer to them and they're starting to make a little bit more headway if you will. I do have the astros being in first place by the all star break. But i'm not not confident on that but i'm gonna i'm gonna go ahead with them so over the nfl. Now we'll get in the the east in particular the new york mets and i mean what is there to say. This is who i think is going to be in first place by the all star. Break the mets of the mets. They're a great team. They're a great team and at least on paper right. I mean at least on paper. They're a great team in so i do. That's the one thing. I do wonder if they're going to underperform like the yankees. What i don't think so. I think because they've got so much talent and they're so they're so balance between hitting and pitching and they're so balanced talent and they're so deep with talent with that same mixture of talent that i really find it hard for them to vaulter to to have any sort of struggles really because of just how deep they are as a team. I do think that the braves can push them. I do think that the phillies could. I do think the national could. The mets are gonna have the most competition out of any team in the mlb in fighting for first place. There's no question about that. They will not have the comp. No other conference will have or no no other. Division will have any sort of a competition like the mets. Have nobody not one person. And so i do wonder if if the mets will be challenged and if they will wind up being in first place. I do think that they will be by come. All-star break but. I'm not totally sure on that. So getting into now the central personally have the cubs. I know that kind of sound shocking. A tough start to the season but having the chicago cubs at first place eight does sound likely because very similar to the astros. They've got a lot of guys on that team. That again are still from two thousand sixteen team but at the same time time is ticking. They've got guys that are going to be free agents these guys. They're going to have their contracts up soon. Time is checking and so as a result. You don't really know what's going to happen or whatever right. I mean you have no idea what's going to happen. So as a result i i do think that they could have also sense of urgency. They could have kind of this Want to try and make a last run at it and try and make a last push towards it because they still have. Rizzo have bias. They still have as they still have all the guys that they have. I do worry about their pitching. And if that can hold up really because they got rid of darvish. And i mean yeah. They've got zack. Davies and he does a good job. But i mean they need to have a little bit more right. They need to have a little bit more and kyle handwritten kala hendrix. Doesn't alright job. I will give him that. He's he's a pitcher. But i do think that the cubs will also be push by the cardinals. I think they'll also be pushed by the brewers. And i honestly my second team that i could see being in first place by the all star break is the cardinals and the cardinals started off very strong. I've got to give them a lot of credit. I think that they're going to be a very good team this year. Some big time ads as we know in the offseason but the cubs are coming a tough year. So that's going to be really hard for them to bounce back from but again you could use that as kind of leverage or kind of motivation to really try and push board and push into you know the playoffs and in the world series and so on and so forth so getting into last team in the last division that i'm predicting to be in first place by the all star break the no west. Call me crazy. I'm going with the padres. Honestly the padres in the dot in the dodgers both did not look great on opening day. They did not look that great. Darvish got rocked. Clayton kershaw got rocked. And i mean the diamondbacks pushed the padres a little bit in the rockies. Beat the dodgers. So maybe we'll see other teams getting more involved again. It's the first couple of days of the season so you don't want to kind of come swing out with all sorts of just speculation or whatever so i think that the i think the padres are definitely going to be a team that continues to or at least build their way up a strong team the first half of last year. They came out really strong. Fernando tatis came out really strong. And i think there are kind of similar to the twins where they're starting out very strong and i do wonder if they're going to plateau at some point but like the mets. They've got so much talent and they're so deep and they've got such a wide range of talent in such a huge balance of talent and so. I do wonder if this this padres team. They're going to a great season. They go to the playoffs and they don't know what to do now. They do have playoff experience somewhat from last year so that is a good thing but i mean i think that if you watch how the padres kind of trend forward for the rest of this year. It's going to be an interesting watch. It's going to be an interesting thing to see because they've got so much talent. It's very young. They don't have necessarily a bunch of players that are i would say in tuned with with going deep into the playoffs. They don't have anybody really on their team. That has that kind of experience. So you have to assume that you know if they're thinking they're going to win. Now i don't know i think that maybe winning in the next two or three years is more realistic to get a little bit more experience under their belt. And again their franchise player has not even technically played a full one hundred and sixty two game season. He hasn't even played that in the in parts of two seasons so as a result you have to kind of give them a little bit of leeway here and i think that maybe time there's some unfair kind of I don't wanna say pressure but some unfair kind of ideas or just Expectations if you will for this team so i do think that there will be in first place by the all star break. I think that they're gonna make a big run. I think they're going to have a strong start. But i do think the dodgers they're they're creeping right there and i could see the dodgers being in first place by the all star break. So those are the teams. I have being in first place in the all star break the padres and then the cubs and then also the mets astros twins and yankees. But we'll have to see that guy is going to stay true not only to the all star break but for the rest of the season. So they'll do it for this segment. Folks thanks again for sticking around. Stay right there. We'll be right back after this commercial break for the final segment today. We're all discussed which players that could be on the trading block and on new teams. Come to the truck come trade deadline. Time don't go anywhere everyone because we've got one last segment here on the gmc baseball podcast. Want to know the latest thing knocker than listen to the golden state media concepts soccer podcast from m. l. at the world and the premier li. We've got you covered the latest update as matches news on the league's top player at the golden state media concept soccer. Podcast lift them now. Hey everyone and welcome back for the here on the gmc baseball podcasts. Jack ridenour still with you. In the previous segment got into sharing who i could see sitting in first place by the midway point of the year in each respective division and which teams could see some of the strongest starts in twenty twenty one. I want to wrap up today. Show discussing which players i could see being on the move and being traded by the trade deadline this year in which teams they could potentially land on. Actually so i'm gonna run through a couple of players. And some of these names have constantly appeared in trade talks and i would honestly see them being traded earlier than leader i player kris bryant and i know i just got out of his segment talking about the cubs and thinking that they're gonna make a last hurrah run. Well if that's not the case i could see kris. Bryant being traded. It's an idea that has not been far-fetched at all and it's actually an idea that goes back further than just this past off season. I mean a couple years ago. They've constantly had trade talks with kris bryant in the mix and possibly having him dealt. I remember last year during the during the trade line. There was discussion of them. Trading kris bryant over the red sox but something went wrong so he's constantly in trade talks. He's a free agent after the season had a terrible year in two thousand twenty two to six but again he's a former. Mvp a three time all star. He's a guy that had a lot of success right. He's a guy that has a ton of power a ton of talent and he's a very very very good hitter and so as a result i do wonder if you know if the cubs wind up trading him. What are they going to get for him. I think they're going to get a lot. I think they would get a ton actually for him. And i do wonder if they're gonna go in the route of getting prospects or they're going the route of getting another player not really short but i do think that if he doesn't perform well then they might try and get rid of him sooner rather than later you know. Try and get rid of him. Get as much as they can get the best that they can for him before he has. His value starts to deteriorate with his talent. But i don't think that's going to happen. I mean the guy's got a lot of ability and he's he's yeah he's coming off a tough year but you know what there's a lot of players that had tough years last year. There was a ton of players. It was a constant theme. It was a tough year in general and so as a result. I really think that this'll be a different year for him. I think this'll be a different season for them. And i do think that he will get traded. Where i don't know but the two teams i could see him. Maybe getting traded to. And i'm going to have one team on this list for a lot because this team is losing along the off season and i could see them being enormous buyers in. It's the giants. I really could see the giants being a team that go after kris bryant. Put him at third. Put him in the outfield. Put them somewhere because this team. I'm going to a couple of players are on this list. Actually that could get traded brandon bell jeff samara Brian are Brandon crawford i mean all of these guys that are going to be free agent. Soon their contracts are up soon they could be dealt before just so they don't have to worry about resigning or you know whatever it might be and they can actually get something in exchange for them instead of just letting them walk in free agency and not really getting anything getting anything for them so the giants could see but then also the braves the braves getting him i th. I think the braves they wanted the braves wanna go all in this year and if the brace wind up challenging the mets first place come trade deadline. I could see the braves making a move like that. In order to push themselves over the top and maybe push themselves in the world series. They are just literally one player. I think away from really solidifying that because they've got a lot of talent as it is and that's the thing they already had talent. The method did it. The mets had to go out and get a bunch of talent started developing talent as time went on but the brace have had talent for quite some time. I think the braves are due for getting somebody like chris bryant now they would have to unload quite a bit and i don't know what they'd be willing to give up and i mean maybe you get rid of dance be swanson. Maybe you get rid of a prospect or two maybe you get rid of catcher. I don't know. I mean it would be interesting to see what they would trade for but i think kris bryant is going to be on the move before we know it and i would love to see where he's gonna wind up because he's very talented player. And he's quite frankly going to probably improve any teams roster a tenfold wherever he lands so the next player. Wanna get into brandon belt another player. I think that app again. He'll be a free agent after this year he might not. You might not get as much four. Say chris bryant obviously but he brings experience. He brings the leadership. I mean a ten year veteran. He's been around the league for while he's coming off a pretty strong year. He's been an all-star before so he's accomplished that three oh nine last season and a one point one five o. Ps highs and yeah it was shortened season. He played forty fifty games but still he. He was able to put together a very strong outing for an entire season. And i think that someone that he sees somebody that gets decades dealt sooner rather than later because let's face it right. You don't wanna have a player like that walking free agency and you wind up not getting anything for them and they kind of just like yeah. That's it because let's face it right. The guys the guys talented. He's talented but he's all. He's getting older. He's he's an aging star and as a result. You don't want to have that aging star leave and you don't get any compensation back and you don't get any incentive for your future so i don't know where he would maybe land maybe land with the twins. I don't know. I mean that would be kind of an interesting place for him to go. I'm trying to think of some other teams that he could potentially land on. I mean yeah i mean. I don't really think that any. There's not many teams. I think are on the mass of market for a player like belt. I mean maybe he goes to team like the race as a little bit of Experience and added a little bit of of he was part of those some of those world series team so he brings some experience he brings some leadership and i think that's something that the rays are missing right now is an experience new leader for them to guy for them to be guided by. But i really don't know where he would get dealt to the twins and the raises would be interesting obviously and just would be another curious court case of of what they would get in return. What those teams were getting return and then getting into brandon crawford his infield mate. Another another player. That's going to be a free agent in two years though in two years. And he's a little bit older than than brain belt and so i do wonder if the giant start seeing him deteriorate quicker. They tried to get rid of him faster. So they don't have to have him walk in free agency and they're stuck paying him for this year next year and he doesn't perform for them right. He's thirty four years old so by the time he's off contract he'll be thirty six and he batted two fifty six last year but the season before he batted two twenty eight and that was a season he played in full. You know a full-scale season. He didn't play in all sixty two games but he played in one hundred and forty of them. And so you know. You're you're playing in eighty percent of the games you're adding to eight. It's not really a great sign but two years before that he had batted two fifty and above for about three consecutive seasons. So as a result you know he's an average hitter. He's a good glove. he's got experience. He comes from the world series winning giants teams from the early. Two thousand ten's he's just got average power but through fifty four hands last year. I will say he had eight home. Runs and twenty nine thousand nine hundred eleven home runs in one hundred and forty seven game so he was on a pretty good pace last year. I mean hey if he was only three homers shy of his season-high the year before and he was again only fifty four games in maj if he had played a whole season. So maybe he's gonna start playing. Well maybe he's on an uptick. He had a career high last year. And opiates plus one seventeen so brings a quick bat. I personally could see the indians trading for him because again they need somebody to fill that spot over short. I they have a moderate dario right now. But let's face it right. They're gonna want somebody they're gonna want. They're gonna want somebody with experience they're going to want somebody with some sort of experience they could move over the second or something and i could also see me the rockies. A team that is going to have. I would say trevor story off their team. Sooner rather than later. I think that he's going to be a free agent. I think he will walk after the season. And as a result. I do wonder if You know with the rockies are going to want to go out and get somebody that's experienced no. He's not going to be at the height of his career. What you never know you know you never know. So i could see brandon crawford going to those teams but now getting into trevor story. Speaking of terror story he's going to be a huge named follow in next two free agency jain nor misnamed to verse players and teams to follow. I mean he could be one of the bigger players that is on the move at some point or another and if anyone trades for him they are going to be. I think in a big win. Now you have to be right. I mean the guy's got so much power. He had thirty five plus homers in two thousand eighteen. And twenty nine hundred for raid glove. He's a hard hitting shortstop. I mean he could be traded for major pieces or just tons of prospects. Honestly one of the do you could get a lot for him and this rockies team they ha they have a depleted farm system right now so they can maybe wanna go out and get some pieces that are going to bolster that and try and change that and try and help that out a little bit. Because let's face it right. The rockies are not that great of a team. I know they played well against the dodgers. But they're not that great of a team and so you have to think that our we should just get rid of story. We don't want to have to pay him. We don't want to have him walk in free agency and we don't get anything for this really talented player. So let's trade him by the trade deadline deal him off to somebody else and again it would be a team. That's in a win now moat. It's a team that is going to try and go all in this year. Literally this year so teams. That would be wanting to go all in this year. If you're looking at them the reds and the reason why pick the reds is this i think they missed out on their mark last year and i think that they know that they i think they blew their chance now if they go out and get a guy like trevor story. It's like okay. They're back into the swing of things they're back in the mix a little bit. They've already got good pitching the got strong pitching even trevor. Bauer left their pitching still strong. It's a matter of the rest of their hitting in. I do wonder about that. Because mustafa's can be hot and cold. Gusty honest can be average and then he can skyrocket and then he can be average again. I think they need somebody to keep everything consistent and at a high level and i think story will do that. They would have to unload law. They would have to unload a ton probably but i could also see him. Maybe going to the race. I mean this would be kind of a real harebrained idea. But i could see that happening because they have so many prospects to offer up and as a result you know i can see them. Maybe wanting to offer up a prospect or two and getting trevor story and trying to go in a win now mood but at the same time. I don't know if trevor story is going to be that guy that takes them to the promised land. I don't know if it's just him that's going to do it. I think they might need more than just him and they do have a and the race to have the number one overall prospect on in their farm. System wonder franco. He is a shortstop so that would be interesting but at the same time. I don't know if the rock is gonna do that because the rockies there just an oddly ran team in management. Personally i think but then i also think the giants i mean again. The giants are going to be on this list quite a bit mainly because they're going to need a stop one point or another and again. They've got a lot of guys that are going to be up for free agency. They got a lot of guys that are going to be up for all off their contract and so as a result i could see them going. After some shortstops in this free agents market knocked dimension. They're going to have a lot of room to do that so they consigned somebody big. So don't be shocked at that winds up happening now. The next player and i hate to say this. But he's always in trade trades talk similar to to kris bryant josh hader and he could be used as a huge piece in a big transaction. I mean this brewers team. They're in an interesting spot. They're in a very very interesting spot. They've got a lot of talented players. They made a couple of pretty solid moves. I would say in the offseason. And if they go out and use hater as a trade peace well they could get a play. there really pushes them into. Maybe i don't wanna say world series contention. That might be a little aggressive. But you know a deeper playoff run kind of team right now. I think that there are team that could fight for playoffs and could make it will. Do i think that they could go. Deep maybe maybe but at the same time if they went on and got somebody josh hader that was it was another bad and then like a solid relief. Guy i mean. Hey this could be a really good brewers team of i mean because they're starting pitching solid. I think that they're starting pitching across. The board is good brand. Woodruff is good corbin burns. Good they've had some good arms that have performed well for them the last few years i know they don't have jeremy jeffress anymore and he was a great piece for them coming out of the bullpen in two thousand eighteen. But i mean let's face it right. His numbers have been outstanding. So josh hader is a very attractive player for a lot of teams thirty seven saves in two thousand nineteen hit a career high in in three point seven year last year so not a great era for his standards but before that is era was never at three was never above three and he's a hard thrower again. Somebody that's going to jack up a lot of case at one hundred thirty eight days in two thousand nine hundred nine one hundred and forty three and twenty eighteen. I could see him going to the blue jays the blue jays saying. Hey we've got a little bit of. What the brewers want maybe an extra bat here and there you know maybe they go out and get somebody like junior for first base. Who knows and you trade josh hader and now this blue jeans and a totally different ballpark. Because essentially they haven't really not that well their bullpen impressed me. But they're closing gates isn't there. He's going to be injured the entire year. So them getting josh. Hader i think makes them such a world series contender it would make sense and the phillies. Obviously because let's face it. The phillies had one of the worst bullpens in the last nine years a season ago. So they're gonna definitely want something and they've got players that they could offer up to the brewers as well. It'd be interesting. I don't know josh haters gonna actually get traded. But if he does. I would love to see what he gets traded for so my last players. I'm going to get into jose ramirez first and then carlos correa ramirez. I think he could get dealt. Because i think the indians are just a big rebuild mode right now and i think that having ramirez of his time. It's a waste of the of the indians time they're having to pay him and we saw it with door. I think that was kind of the beginning to the end of this indian team. They're going to start unloading is i think ramirez the next to go. I mean he had a great year last year he was an. Mvp candidate shoe ninety two batting average seventeen homers fifty eight games he played in. He's had three straight years of twenty plus homers in each of the last three seasons prior to twenty twenty. He's a two time all star and again they can get a law for him. I mean his home. Run percentage was at an all time high last year over percent. So he's he's on a good uptick in his career. And again i could going to the giants. I could see him. Actually go into the angels. Oddly enough i can see the angels saying you know what let's get one more piece. Let's try and make some big trade some big transaction and get somebody that is going to really push us over the edge and make us compete with the astros and the athletics and i think premieres do just that for the angels and the cardinals and the reason why i picked. The cardinals is this. I think the cardinals are assuming that goldschmidt and aeronautic going to take them to the promised. Land and i think they're gonna find out very quickly that you can't just rely on two players. Look at team like the yankees. They initially were trying to rely on stanton and judge while it didn't really work so i had to go out and other players and it's still not working. They still haven't made to the world series so that doesn't necessarily guarantee you anything but at the same time. I think that the cardinals would benefit greatly amongst the other you know other competitors in the division if they got ramirez i mean that would separate them. I think a little bit in some regards. I just think that the indians are on a rebuild mode and it would be wise for them to get rid of ramirez sooner rather than later and especially if he's having a good year you can get a lot for him and you can try and rebuild that farm system a little bit. You can try and rebuild this team a little bit. So i could see him on the move and then carlos correa. He's going to be an interesting one and the reason why is because he does not seem like he will resign after this year. I mean he's mentioned it in on infre- on social media he's mentioned in interviews you know he's kind of just letting it ride out and see what happens and so. I wonder that. I wonder if he's kind of it's a try. It's an unofficial trial for the astros to see. Korea wants to stick around more if they perform well if they go far. Yeah i could see maybe resigning because he's already seen brantley resigned. He's seen mccullers resign. And i know that. George springer didn't resign but at the same time korea could say you know what that's one less person i have to compete with the low in the batting line-up i can still stick around and i can be part of this really good team. That if they go far if they don't do very well. I would get rid of korea sooner rather than later again. You want to get rid of guys that are going to be free agents at the end of the year if either. They're not playing well or if you're not playing well because it's like. Hey we either get rid of him now and get something for him. Or he walks in free agency. And we get absolutely jackson jack diddly and you don't wanna get jack diddly for a player that's really really good and so i do think that at the end of the day korea could be dealt. I don't know what the chances are of that. I think that they have the probably play it out. And see how things go in june and july but come the middle of july pay very close attention to what career is going to do. And what the what. The the astros are going to do with korea. And where. I could see him going. We'll again the giants right. I'm he's a guy that had twenty plus homers in four of his first five years in the his first three years in the mlb one twenty plus now his numbers have not been that great the last two years. He's kind of struggled a little bit here and there. He's got a great glove too and he's a really good playoff hitter. That's the thing. That's what's intriguing about him. He's a very good playoff bat and a team that wants to go all in and at that point of the trade deadline. It's kind of make or break. It's either we go all in or we wait until next year and so teams might wanna go all in and try and make their final run. I see them going. After korean again the giants would be very likely landing spot for him. I would not be shocked if he went there. i don't i don't want a guarantee that and i don't think the giants are in a win now mode. They're not necessarily we. We have to win right now. You know maybe the cardinals right. I mean the cone walnut there anymore. You know somebody to play alongside paul dejong. Maybe maybe who knows but it's going to be very interesting. I think that there could be a lot of shakeups. Come trade deadline but folks as always. It's been a pleasure and that's going to wrap it up for us here today. Thank you again for listening to the gmc baseball. 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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 390: Phillies and Mets Hire GMs, Rule 5 Draft Results, Minor League Update

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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 390: Phillies and Mets Hire GMs, Rule 5 Draft Results, Minor League Update

"Golden state concepts in baseball podcasts. We cover everything major league from spring training through the world series. Got your favorite club. Cover from new york to boston to la. This is the golden state media. Concepts baseball podcast. Hello and welcome in to another edition of gsm baseball. Podcast brought to you. By the mc podcast network. I'm your host kevin mahalick. It's monday december fourteenth. Hopefully guys had a fantastic weekend out there here. In the greater philadelphia area the weather was excellent creeping up towards the high fifties able to get outside and enjoy ourselves one last time here. It seems because jack frost and winter is coming right around the corner for the first time this season. It looks like we're going to get about a foot of snow around these parts. So i know in the north east boston kind of the new england area. They've gotten a bit of snow the past couple of storms. But we were lucky around here that it was still warm enough. It was rain but not anymore so about a foot of snow that should stick around for christmas. Make it a white christmas and Who's going to argue with that. I mean certainly not myself but wherever you're listening to this hopefully you guys had a fantastic weekend get in your holiday shopping going here since we are less than two weeks away from the big day. Or if you're in the hanukkah season. I know that has just begun so whatever you're celebrating out there hopefully your holiday seasons off to a fantastic start and i appreciate you guys. Listening in today's episode is gonna have a bit of a national league east flavor to it. Dave dombrowski was hired by the phillies. The mets made a higher of jared porter at general manager. We're going to talk about the rule five draft and then get into an update on the minor league system here today so we got a great show for you. Let's jump right into it here. Right up the top of the show. This is the first time i'm really going to be speaking about my philadelphia phillies here in great detail and yes of course i'm a fan of the phillies but wanna remain professional during all of this it and discuss what exactly is taking place here but the phillies have hired dave dombrowski as president of baseball operations and this became a bit of a surprising higher just due to the fact that dombrowski his name came up right when the the position initially became available but he had communicated that he wasn't interested and he was kind of looking into mlb expansion in what is taking place there well over the course of the past couple of weeks the phillies dad. Levine's names ben involved. They've had michael hill involved in over the past couple of weeks apparently. The commissioner's office reached out to dombrowski and told them that the time line on expansion has been pushed back a handful of years because of the corona virus issues going on. They want to make sure everything kind of stabilizes before they go into expanding into a new team. And i think these conversations manifested themselves because of Theo epstein out in chicago stepping down. I think one of the only ways to get him back into the game. This this upcoming season was to work in nashville with dombrowski on that expansion team. But if that team's not coming into fruition. Over the next couple of years dombrowski now found himself back in the job market. Because you know you didn't want to be sitting in quote unquote retirement for the next couple of seasons. So john middleton of the phillies called him up apparently over the course of twenty four forty eight hours a deal was discussed and more or less agreed to and now dombrowski is taken over the fills. And what does this mean. Are they going to hire gm. Under dave dombrowski. I mean for this upcoming season. Everybody's reporting and all the conversation is no he is going to take that title but as the president of baseball operations you can have a general manager underneath us so well they be keeping current acting. Gm ned rice in a similar role under dombrowski that is yet to be determined but ultimately middleton during his press. Conference came out in disgust.