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Shooting Erupts at Anti-Israel Demonstration
"The Palestinian health ministry says a Palestinian protest up was killed and others wounded when gun shots rang out as a large demonstration in the occupied west bank hundreds of protesters had gathered on the outskirts of Ramallah to protest against Israel's actions in Gaza and Jerusalem burning tires and hurling stones at the Israeli troops who fired tear gas back at them at one point seven shots run out but it was unclear where they came from Israeli soldiers on the hill side opposite the protests could be seen taking cover behind mounds of sandbags tensions are soaring over the latest Gaza war as well as recent clashes in Jerusalem and cities across Israel I'm Charles Taylor this month
Gina Brown on the Invisibility of Women Living With HIV
"Jump right in so you found out that you were living with hiv about twenty seven years ago and at that time how much did you know about. Or how familiar were you with hiv. My knowledge of hiv was gay guys. I remember watching the evening news talking about it even before. They had a name for it and they were calling in grid and gay plague and but it only impacted gay people right so you wind. Gay you okay. I'm good or even if if you were a lesbian. They weren't talking about hiv and lesbians. They were talking about hiv engaged. Men so you still feel like you good. No one was talking about it with women only knew what i saw on the evening news. I remember once watching the guys go up to capitol hill and they on stretchers wheelchairs. And i'll walk. I was so scared. And they had a sign and the sign says silence was dead and stay with me although she is. Do you mind telling the story of when you were told about your diagnosis. Because i think it's an amazing example of what not to do. Oh my goodness dad. Day is seared in my mind. I think if i got alzheimer's i remember that day. I i got the phone call it. And then she'll phone call on april fools day. Hey prefers and to answer the phone. Lady a mask with jean. O'brien i said speaking. And she said hey. This is miss lonzo from charity hospital. And i laughed and i laughed because it was april fool's day and i thought it was one of my friends clam joke this lady. She finally convinced me that she was really from the hospital. And she said we need you to come in. We need to talk to you about one of your test results. And i said okay and and when i went the door was open. Scientists took my hand in untapped on the door and She said come in and when she commenced should never looked down never looked out and then finally sheets of paper. She put him in front of her face. And she said while you have aids and you're gonna die
Parler Returns to the App Store
"After several major tech companies effectively blocked the social media app parlor earlier this year. It's now back in apple's app store and users are once again able to use their iphones to log in for more on this. I'm joined by our tech reporter. Sara adelman hey sarah thanks for joining me. My pleasure okay. So it's been a while since we've talked about parlor. Can you remind us what this platform is and why all these various tech platforms blocked parlor is a social media service. That bills itself as an unbiased free speech alternative to the more mainstream platforms like facebook and twitter. It has a lot looser. Policies content moderation and. It's attracted many high-profile conservative media personalities. Such as fox. News host sean hannity supporters of former president trump and even people who've been banned by other large social networks like the right Far-right talk show host. A conspiracy theorist alex jones and the reason parlor was taken down by the app store and google play and why amazon stopped providing cloud hosting services to it is because of the kind of content that appeared on parlour especially in the days leading up to the capitol hill riots. There were a lot of calls for violence and rhetoric. That just didn't fly with those companies rules. Okay so where has parlor ben since. Then what's been going on behind the scenes for parlor basically went dark. You couldn't get to it on the internet in terms like a website and you couldn't get to its apps in february resumed operations on websites and also on android devices. The company has a new web hosting service. So it's not using amazon anymore. It said that it's not planning to make an effort to get onto google. Play being that you can access the app through android versions of the platform. Anyway google does power the android operating system but that is distinct from google play. And so that's when it resumed in at that point they said they had about twenty million users up from fifty million prior to when it went dark and then since then parlor has been trying to regain access to apple's app store and that has happened now.
Parler Returns to the Apple App Store
"After several major tech companies effectively blocked the social media app parlor earlier this year. It's now back in apple's app store and users are once again able to use their iphones to log in for more on this. I'm joined by our tech reporter. Sara adelman hey sarah thanks for joining me. My pleasure okay. So it's been a while since we've talked about parlor. Can you remind us what this platform is and why all these various tech platforms blocked parlor is a social media service. That bills itself as an unbiased free speech alternative to the more mainstream platforms like facebook and twitter. It has a lot looser. Policies content moderation and. It's attracted many high-profile conservative media personalities. Such as fox. News host sean hannity supporters of former president trump and even people who've been banned by other large social networks like the right Far-right talk show host. A conspiracy theorist alex jones and the reason parlor was taken down by the app store and google play and why amazon stopped providing cloud hosting services to it is because of the kind of content that appeared on parlour especially in the days leading up to the capitol hill riots. There were a lot of calls for violence and rhetoric. That just didn't fly with those companies
Biden Admin Has 'Communicated' With Israel After It Destroyed Media Building
"U. S response to today's Israeli air strike that destroyed a building in Gaza, where the Associated Press And other journalists in the region were located. A P officials say the location was evacuated just beforehand. They were nearly avoiding. Ah, loss of life. Their ABC is chief national correspondent Matt Gutman is near Tel Aviv as Hamas vows not to back down in Gaza buildings pulverized bulldozers clearing little hills of rubble. On the conflict widening in Jordan. Hundreds of pro Palestinian protesters spilling out towards the border with Israel, warning shots fired to keep them from crossing and along another border, with Lebanon, protestors setting a fire and actually penetrating the border fence. One person killed in those clashes. White House press secretary Jen Psaki Ripper recorded it that the United States has communicated directly with the Israelis to ensure the safety and security of journalist and independent media. And that is their paramount responsibility, and that's the latest
City Of Columbus To Pay $10 Million In Settlement With Family Of Andre Hill
"Settlement with the family of Andre Hill, who was shot to death over the winter by now, former police officer Adam Coy, civil rights attorney Benjamin Crump said. Document this historic day. We think They say that leadership for saying that operate here. Life matters. Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost wants the state to
Fully Vaccinated People Can Shed Their Masks in Most Places
"Major turning point I can breathe again. I think that's fantastic. I think that's what everyone was waiting to hear the CDC saying fully vaccinated people no longer need to wear masks or practice social distancing indoors. In most places. I feel like a sense of freedom. Right now. I've already planned a mass burning party. So President Biden entering his Rose Garden briefing mask list, the White House confirming vaccinated staffers are no longer required to wear them said great milestone. Great day. Has been made possible. The extraordinary success we've had vaccinated so many Americans so quickly on Capitol Hill. Some senators mid vote when the news came down, gleefully taking off their masks. But there are exceptions, the CDC saying fully vaccinated people should still wear masks in hospitals on Busses, trains, planes and, if required by a state county employer or business in California, L. A county officials will not immediately follow the relaxed rules in Massachusetts, the masked man Date is staying in place for now. And there are still questions about what this means for places like schools, one of the nation's largest teachers unions planning to follow the guidance if everyone is vaccinated. In a classroom then it sounds like Everybody in that classroom could go massless, but you have to make sure everybody's vaccinated and you also have to make sure everybody's comfortable with it.
Columbus Reaches $10M Settlement for Family of Andre Hill
"The city of Columbus Ohio will pay a ten million dollar settlement to the family of a black man who was fatally shot by police in December forty seven year old entree kill was fatally shot just days before Christmas as he emerged from a friend's garage holding only a cellphone then officer Adam Corey who has since been fired and charged with murder was investigating a nonemergency complaint about a car in addition to the ten million dollar settlement Jim frequented by hill will be renamed in his honor attorney Ben Crump says the family is applauding city leadership for demonstrating that hill's life matters but the police department remains under scrutiny for other fatal shootings including last month's death of sixteen year old macarthur Bryant I'm Jackie Quinn
COVID Mask Guidelines From CDC Just Eased Up
"States across the US air lifting coronavirus mask mandates following new guidance from the CDC. A major turning point I can breathe again. I think that's fantastic. I think that's what everyone was waiting to hear the CDC saying fully vaccinated people no longer need to wear masks or practice social distancing indoors. In most places. I feel like a sense of freedom right now. I've already planned a mask burning party. So President Biden entering his Rose Garden briefing mask list, the White House confirming vaccinated staffers are no longer required to wear them A great milestone. Great day. Has been made possible. The extraordinary success we've had in vaccinated so many Americans so quickly on Capitol Hill. Some senators mid vote when the news came down, gleefully taking off their masks. But there are exceptions, the CDC saying fully vaccinated people should still wear masks in hospitals on Busses, trains, planes and if required by a state county employer or business in California. L. A County officials will not immediately follow the relaxed rules in Massachusetts. The mask mandate is staying in place for now. And there are still questions about what this means for places like schools, one of the nation's largest teachers unions planning to follow the guidance if everyone is vaccinated. In a classroom, Ben. It sounds like Everybody in that classroom could go massless, but you have to make sure everybody's vaccinated and you also have to make sure everybody's comfortable with it. The union representing retailing grocery store workers, saying in a statement it's confusing and fails to consider how it will impact essential workers who face frequent exposure to individuals who are not vaccinated and refused to wear masks. Kroger, the nation's second largest grocery chain, will continue to require everyone in their stores to wear a mask. Indoor mass mandates should go At some point, but not right away. We should just wait a little longer for more people to get vaccinated, also raising concerns news of a so called breakthrough outbreak among the New York Yankees at least eight fully vaccinated members, including Star shortstop Glaber Torrez testing
Columbus, Ohio, Agrees to Pay $10 Million Settlement to Family of Andre Hill
"It's the largest settlement in the history of the city of Columbus. $10 million for the family of Andre Hill, who was fatally shot by a Columbus police officer in December As Hill emerged from a garage holding the cell phone. The officer involved Adam Koi was fired in his blood not guilty to murder charges in the case. Those family calling this settlements and important and necessary step in the right direction. State and federal prosecutors and the FBI have also launched investigations into the case Boxes. Jeff Man, also an associate of Florida Congressman Matt Gates, may be
Lightning strike may have killed 18 wild elephants in India
"Said. They believe lightning may have killed her of asia elephants. Eighteen elephants were discovered dead in a protected forest reserve. On top of a hill. Veterinarians are conducting autopsies to determine the cause of death. Local indian officials have ordered an inquiry on. Korva
Alex Padilla, From California To Capitol Hill
"Senator. I'm actually going to ask you if you wouldn't mind if you can go back to the young person that you were in college when prop one eighty-seven was happening in california in the early nineteen ninety s. I remember proposition. What any eighty seven per pretty damn will in here's the stage for it Growing up in coma. California in proud working class community north san fernando valley watching my father robert but seem like every single day as cook. Watch my mom. Were cleaning houses why it was important to them that my brother my sister i get a good education. That was the key to a better future. Attending what many people would consider not the best of schools earning admission to the massachusetts institute of technology. And then i get home because graduated from college in nineteen ninety four so i get home that summer trying to figure out my career path bat fall. And what do i see on television. I see ads featuring the governor of california basically saying california's going down hip and it's the fault of families like yours and it's the fault of people like your parents. They keep coming back to million illegal immigrants in california. The federal government won't stop them at the border yet requires us to pay billions to take care of them for people who Were in california. At the time they remember the ads they keep coming. The grainy images of people crossing the border in san you and just coming home from college him earned my degree paying tribute to my parents. Their struggle their sacrifices their hardware They're paying taxes and you know buying hometown live the american dream. And they're being scapegoated. No way and i'll tell you one of the the moment that the light bulb went off in my might participating in that historic march from the east side of los angeles those to downtown los angeles seeing hundreds of thousands of primarily let the march against prop one eighty seven.
Judge Dismisses NRA Bankruptcy Case in Blow to Gun Group
"A Texas judge has dismissed a bankruptcy filing by the national rifle association disrupting the group's plans to relocate to Texas federal judge Harlon hill says he's dismissing the NRA's bankruptcy case after eleven days of testimony because he believes it was not filed in good faith judge Hale writes it appears the bankruptcy was filed to gain an unfair advantage in litigation or to avoid a regulatory scheme the ruling leaves the NRA registered in New York facing a lawsuit from the state Attorney General which alleges financial abuses by its top leaders with the goal of putting the NRA out of business the group's embattled top executive Wayne lapierre says he's disappointed by the ruling but vows to continue fighting for gun owners rights I'm Jackie Quinn
Jennifer Lopez & Ben Affleck's Montana Vacation Photos Leaked
"Get out those magnifying glasses. Honey because we're about to zoom in real post gene and been. They were spotted driving to the airport in montana after a week. Long vacation. sources originally insisted they were spending time together as friends but now we can confirm because we are e and we know everybody. It's more than that now. In this photo you can see in the driver's seat and j.lo's looking a little serious probably because he's a bad driver and in another photo it almost looks like they were holding hands and getting on that ej. I saw these photos. And you got your your investigative dissect these what did you think. Okay so i said this yesterday. And i'm gonna stick by this. I think that when celebrities do not want to be seen they go on scene when you have two people of this starpower jennifer lopez and ben affleck if they wanted to keep this more private have especially with the. Pj you land under the cloak of knights three thirty in the morning when nobody is at that airport. You control the private plane. That's the whole point flying. You writing a driver. Seven hours is but you know this was very much like gabe that where they stayed at his home in yellow but the yellowstone club. I looked this up. There's only eight hundred and sixty four members of the club so it's not like they went like you said yesterday to the beverly hills hotel. It's a small place it's very private. it's very exclusive. So now we know why there were no photos of them while they were staying on his way. But i think to kind of just jump in your suv in the middle of the day under sunlight and get snapped
Meet the Brain Behind Facebook's Oversight Board
"I want to tell you a story about a friend and a colleague of mine. His name is noah feldman one afternoon. Back in twenty. Eighteen noah was taking a bike ride in the hills around palo alto california. He was visiting from the east coast. The bike ride was a little break from seeing friends. And doing is meetings. But no is not your average mountain biker. He's a constitutional law professor at harvard and one of the country's best he even helped to draft iraq's interim constitution so as no was cranking around the hills of old honda road he was thinking about a company with its headquarters nearby. Maybe you can guess. He was thinking about facebook. I happen to be staying with my friend. Sheryl sandberg who. I went to college with her. And she's the co or facebook but not for anything to do with facebook. I was just out there and it was nice to see her. No was thinking a lot about the relationship between his field constitutional law and the struggle that platforms have keeping people safe online. Think about the social media companies the more they grow the more content their users post not all the content is going to be so nice and friendly and when you get more content. You're bound to get more hateful speech as well. It's just really hard to keep all the bad stuff off the platforms. It's always an uphill battle for these social media companies and not unlike the uphill battle that noah found himself on during his bike that it was much too hard for me. And i had that you know oxygen deprivation field that you get when you're trying to climb hills too hard for you and i was sort of in my mind and one part of that was trying to figure out how the social media companies were themselves dealing with the challenges. A free speech. It's not the question of how governments were dealing with them and free speech but how they were thinking about it internally no hyperventilating about to give and sure enough it worked and i had an idea and the idea that came into my mind was that facebook content moderation supreme court all day. Oh yea whoa. I wrote it up in a you know twelve or thirteen hundred word document. I thought maybe i can publish. It isn't bad and showed it to charlotte because she was my host and she said to me. Actually you know what before you go and publish this. Let me send it to mark and see what he thinks about it as it turned out facebook. Ceo mark sanford love. Noah's idea others were not so sure could affor- profit company bill. They court many people in an outside facebook dot. The whole idea was more than a little crazy. One of those people was knee.
The Chinese Immigrants Who Built America
"Workers did not come sir haphazardly. From around the entire country of china they came ninety percent maybe even more from a relatively small area four counties in southern china near hong kong near macau in the early eighteen hundreds. This area was rife with conflict civil wars between different ethnic groups. The opium wars waged by the british. People could even watch the battles on sea. Between the chinese and british forces from the shoreline and in this war-torn region word began to spread about an opportunity in a particular region of the united states notion of california being go mountain became embedded and became legendary. They heard the glorious stories of wealth from just going over there and picking up gold nuggets in the streams of california soon. Many young men from this region set out for california a lot of them intended to one day. Come home sometimes. They were married. Just before say ritz. Leave because their parents wanted to make sure that they return but once they got to california there were some who were very eager and homesick and wanted to return. They had wise or sweethearts back in china and they wanted to be with them or with their parents. Others were much not so philly hill. And i so conventional but liked the money that they got in the united states the latitude or freedom. Young men van -joyed in the wild west there is lots of opium there is prostitution and there was work to be had including prospecting for gold. Which though ching notes it's draped in romanticism. Now was difficult dangerous. Work it involved moving earth using explosives and when the gold rush was winding down. Many chinese immigrants use that experience to find other work opportunities irrigation systems road systems acquiesced systems said a lot of infrastructure work and when it comes to infrastructure work there was no bigger project at the time than the transcontinental railroad. Maybe no bigger project
Rep. Stefanik Supports Recounting of 2020 Election Ballots in Arizona
"Liz Cheney in the House GOP leadership. Has spoken out for the first time since being endorsed by Key Republicans. W T. O P S Capitol Hill correspondent Mitchell Miller today on the Hill, New York Congresswoman Elise Stefanik breaks with Cheney, who has urged Republicans not to continue former President Trump's efforts to undermine the 2020 election results. Asked on Steve Bannon's radio show what she thinks of the audit in Arizona Stefanik had this response. I police support the audit in Arizona. We want transparency and answers for the American people. What are the Democrats? So Afraid of. As for her vision of the party, Stanek says she wants to continue to run with the support of Donald Trump and his coalition. This is also about being one team right now. The GOP team has some very different game plans on Capitol Hill, Mitchell Miller
Facebook's Oversight Board Orders Review of Trump Ban
"Facebook's independent oversight board has ruled that the company was justified in banning then president donald trump for his part in the january sixth riots on capitol hill but the board criticized facebook over how would enforce its rules for example in keeping trump off its platform indefinitely with no criteria for when or if his account would be restored. Here's oversight board. Co-chair michael mcconnell we're not cops ranging over the realm of social media and solving the world's ills. Our sole job is to hold this extremely powerful corporation facebook accountable for making clear consistent and transparent decisions showing neither fear or favor toward persons of political influence. The board is holding today. That facebook's treatment of mr trump's future posting privileges did not meet these standards and cannot continue without a sober and comprehensive review applying the same rules to mr trump neither better nor worse as applied everyone else. We are giving facebook six months to conduct. This review
"the hill" Discussed on Down The Hill: The Delphi Murders
"We know that this is about power to you and you want to know what we know one day. You will question to you. What will those closest to you think of? They find out that you brutally murdered two little girls to children. Only a coward do such a thing. We are confident that you have told someone what you have done. Or at the very least they know because of how different you are since the murders. This was the moment I think a lot of people thought. Whoa this was the moment that I thought man. It's like something out of a movie. Usually don't hear that it was chilling and his intensity. You felt that the minute he got up to that podium. You felt the intensity of what he was about to say so. Let's put all of the stuff that we've just talked about and all the stuff we've learned in context and perspective here when we look at the information out of this news conference with the benefit of hindsight that information isn't really new. That's all information. They had in February of twenty seventeen early on investigation. Not for them right and that kind of goes to what share of lesson be said about. This was planned be so. When did this come into being was plan B? Always there was this something that they had kind of had in their back pocket from day. One we don't know the decision to release this information now. Why now by April of Twenty nineteen? A lot of people thought that because of some of the religious things that Superintendent Carter said in the press conference because this movie yet the movie the movie right he also. This was announced on Good Friday and they made sure to invite the public. The press conference happens day after Easter. So is the Easter Holiday significant? Is that why they planned this? They they don't say and in addition to the date and Easter holiday we had already been in communication with the Patty family and had an interview setup for right after this press conference and then Superintendent Carter Says No interviews for two weeks weeks. They don't say exactly my own. Guess is just. They wanted the words that they used to be. What was reported what was in the media for two weeks? They didn't want the family's reaction to it to become the headline. That's my take on it. They haven't said whether that's true or not from an investigative standpoint. This is the end of the line. This is it all. The cards are on the table from the investigators and for the last seven chapters. We've been working through this story outlining this case and by now you likely have your own theories at home and so next time. We're actually GONNA start outlining hours down. The Hill is written and produced by Barbara McDonald. Dan Semedo Vich and me. Andrew with original music scoring Shuo Sir and production support from associate producers. Michael Dudley and Kaylene Chassis Sherry. Selby's is our senior production manager. If you WANNA see the people places and things we've been talking about visit our website down the hill. Podcast DOT COM. Brian Bell is senior director of programming and Tyler Moody is the vice president of the Warner media. Podcast network especial thanks to the people of Delphi and the members of law enforcement who are in charge of solving this crime and most important of all a big thank you. We appreciate you listening..
"the hill" Discussed on Down The Hill: The Delphi Murders
"That was intense. I was there and I thought for sure Carter was coming off of that stage after somebody. When he ended his sentence and he was done he walked away from that podium like he owned it and I thought Oh my Gosh Bridge Guy was dumb enough to show up here. He's GonNa go choke somebody out. That's actually what I thought and everybody gasped because it was pretty unreal. Barb let's go to April Twenty Second U. N. Susan Hendricks from H Allen. Who's with us here? In the writer's room get a text message. You walk us through or learning about April twenty. Second yes so I was working on another show. I don't even remember what story I was doing that day. But I get a text message from one of my sources in Delphi. Saying can't tell you why but you need to be here. Monday and so we went triggers back to the room. What was what was the feeling. What was the VIBE? What was the was their tensions kind of walk us through. You know it was interesting because before the press conference began it was Very calm People were talking. People weren't particularly nervous people. I think we're excited about whatever was going to be said. And then Carter comes out and his tone is very serious. He's passionate. He's intense and the room just went quiet when he was speaking you. Could you could literally hear a pin drop in there. What stood out to me when my stomach dropped was seeing the unveiling of the new sketch there was an armed guards standing near it and when they took off what was covering the sketch. I was taken aback because sketched the person looked so young. I've gone back in this in my mind. I don't know if there was an audible gasp in the room when that happened but I felt a gasp. Like if people weren't gasping that was certainly got sucked out of the room for just a second when that happens. We had so much time because the family was being briefed. We were able to notice our surroundings and really take a look and I did notice officer standing by the covered sketch so he wanted no one to come even near that to bump it accidentally but when it was unveiled thought looks like a kid. Yeah even though Superintendent Carter had said you know. He could be as young as eighteen to see the sketch and to see a young face. That is was shocking. I thought did he know these girls was he their friend. That's how young he left and vastly different from the original completely. Afraid when you watch the news conference you can only see what's in the frame but you guys were in the room and I'm curious when especially when he said to the killer who may be in this room. What was the feeling inside the room? Especially at that moment from me. We couldn't get any closer Barbara and I were sitting right on the carpeting. The from your on the floor in the for on the floor right in the front. It was a packed room media outlets armed police officers everywhere. I did notice that and it was packed. We were in the front row and I thought in my head in this room it took a while for it to really resonate with me thinking. Oh my gosh he could be in. This room. Took me a while for me to process exactly what he was saying. And there were a lot of people who when Superintendent Carter. Sheriff listen be walk off and they leave. They left that room. You didn't see them after that. I certainly thought they're going to get the guy like they are jumping in their cars right now and they are going to wherever this person is and they're making that arrest a photo journalist with CNN. Who was there with US said to me? Once I stood up and walked back in this room in this here in this what is going on in this room. They were shocked and they see a lot in here a lot and they were thinking he is here looking for me. They disrupted everything that day. This press conference just turned everything upside down. I thought what you thought that when he left there on arrest someone because a mention of that car also stood out to me without the making the model and obviously there is a wall of silence that we've experienced there because they don't want false. Confessions that that silence also allows for a lot of speculation so coupled with the the new sketch. You've got the new audio. Did you notice during the press conference? How Much Superintendent Carter prefaced. It's the same voice. Keep that in mind. It is the same voice because they sound so different they do an. I think. The guys sounds very young completely different than down. The Hill. Sounds like two different voices. He said it's one. I use guys all the time in a casual manner to me. It says friendly speak. We also don't know just because they added guys just before down the hill. We don't know if that is said in any particular order. They haven't given us any indication of that. We know that that all of that was said on the video that libby made. But we don't know where in the video how far apart it might be. That was another element of the press conference. It was a little unusual invited the public but they also took everyone's name as you walked in and it was interesting because I thought okay if you really think he's going to be here when maybe ask her an idea. They weren't doing that but they sure they knew. You had to sign him so that was an interesting part of the process. You don't normally sign in to something like that unless you're you're there for the president or someplace that you need a security clearance to get into. That wasn't the case but they definitely were taken everyone's name and looking back now in hindsight when you say something like that he could be in this room. He's from Delphi. Or He's worked here. He's been hiding in plain sight the next morning. That was the cover of the newspaper hiding in plain sight and his sketch. When you say something like that speculation of course is going to start right away. Why were they signing in? Did you look at each door? Did you look behind you? What did you hear what did you think? And then nothing and no arrest so the reactions of this news event are obviously fast and furious all through the community. They start with the families. Here's a little bit of what they said about that. Well it was a shock about everybody's mouths were hanging on the ground you know like at first there was. There was anger because the first thing that goes through your mind is. Are you kidney we have just spent two years pushing this guy you know when they first said okay? There's a new sketch. It took a little while but after you think about it after we thought about it and they had talked to some and he think about it and it's like well at least we know something's happening something has happened. There's they've gotten some information or something that has changed where they're going and to bring out this sketch so we know at least or closer than what we were because they have to have something to switch everything up. So that's the only thing that I can hang my hat on but if you look. She really listened to it as like a different almost like a different demeanor of the person. Meaning guys and then it can become a little more directive down the hill and it's almost like the markets. Hey guys what's going on today? Know now I'll give you a directive down the hill the person changed from being social to a directive. That's all. That's the only difference that I really hearing that. And when they changed from saying it was somebody perhaps forty to fifty years old to somebody who could be as young as eighteen. Would you think about that? I don't know the information again that they have that they're basing that on and I'm hoping that they have information that substantiate what they have said which is eighteen forty but I think they left us such a wide range because they don't ever want to get back into the corner per se saying okay. You said he was twenty five to forty five in this guy's twenty three when it happened. Therefore there's not going to do that. I think they're gonNA leave such a wide range. In Age there for that purpose Diana.
"the hill" Discussed on Down The Hill: The Delphi Murders
"Part. One gas stations in grocery stores looking at everybody in thinking about that sketch in your head. I think all of us here have that first drawing burned into our minds in so anywhere you go. You're always thinking about okay. Could that be that person? Five months after this horrible crime. We finally see the face of the man police are looking for. A composite. Sketch was released in mid-july without much fanfare. They sent it out via press release and this is really where the rampant speculation picks up about. Who may have done this here? Sergeant Kim Riley remember. He's the spokesperson for the Indiana State. Police we feel. This is very important because it actually gives a better view of the the per person in the picture that you see down below Shows a little more facial features. Gives you a little more information on what's We're looking at who the suspect might be and that's why we feel. It is a very important of his pictures out there at this time. When he says a better view of the person you see down below physically when he was speaking to the media the picture on the floor beneath the sketch was the picture of the man on the bridge. Right so they are linking the man on the bridge to the sketch and obvious connection. Yes so now that you have the context of this release. Let's talk about what the sketch actually looks like. Because it's detailed it is. It's pretty DJ. We heard superintendent. Carter say at the beginning of this chapter. That sketches not a photograph but the sketch. Kinda looks like a photograph. It's not in color but you see a a white man who appears to be in his forties or maybe a little bit older. He's wearing a cap that has been described. As what a newsboy cab or even perhaps a Greek fishing cab one of those flatter hat. Yeah and he's got some scruffy hair that sticks out underneath that CAP. He's also got a goatee. He's not clean shaven. He's wearing what appears to be a brown Hoodie and he looks like he has darker is do. We know as far as the sketches concerned how sketch came to be. They say that it came from information from tips that they had received and from people who were in the area of the bridge around the time the girls were there so they don't actually call them witnesses but it certainly houses. That's what we're dealing with here. So this sketch. What it did was as you mentioned set off a flurry of speculation flurry of conversation. And you know at the center of all this. You still have to families who are also looking at the sketch trying to figure out what it means. It was really interesting to see a face with the body that we had. You probably recognize Kelsey Germans voice. She's libby sister. We knew what his walk kind of looked. I can what he looked like physically but we didn't know what his face looks like. And so putting a face with it was very eye-opening Emmett really real and it made it so that there was a person we had to look for rather than a voice that we had to look for. Did you recognize face? I didn't recognize it although I do think there are a lot of similarities in them In the face it did look a lot familiar. A lot of the characteristics in it you can see them in half the people you walk by street so when I look at it and like oh it could be this person or it could be that person but really it could be anybody so that was kind of something. I was struggling with trying to figure out Who This person could be in why it looks familiar to me. Remember Pastor Todd Lad. He leads Delphi's United Methodist Church. I've not sketch. Oh that could be. The other thing is the reality is it could be half the white males and Carroll County and so I don't get ahead this sense of dread or I'll say here's who it is but there's also the acknowledgement that you look around and that's that's half the white males in Carroll County of a certain age that could look that way Diane Erskine Abby Williams. Grandmother looks at the face in the sketch and tries really really tries to make some sense of what happened out there. New Study that phase. And you look at the schedule and you look try to think about how old they are and and you know trying to make try and make some connection. I you know what's the the first lesson you learn in science for every action. There's an equal opposite reaction so off. That's our I think. Our in our makeup is human beings. Were trying to justify to rationalize. Well this happened so this what is the cause. What's what's over here. What's the action that caused you? That doesn't work with evil. It just doesn't There is no justification. There is no rationalization for this act. I don't know what the motivation is if there even was a motivation. I I don't know because it's evil. It's and it's deceiving and it's comes to kill and steal and destroy and so there's just it's not a it's not a mindset that we have but as humans we want to know what caused it. Do you think he's local? I don't honestly do not have opinion about that. It's hard enough to go to the gas station in the grocery store and and drive down the road. You see him walking by the road and look at them in wonder but anywhere in wonder I don I honestly I don't have a thought did they. Are they are not asleep? I really don't for sadie malady. Remember she lives cousin. The release of the sketch for the first time made this killer not just a killer but a person a person that might live down the street from her. So when the sketches? The first sketch came out. Did you recognize that face still to this day on phone okay? Rain here Still to this day. It makes me sick to my stomach. I get a not in my throat when I hear the voice or see the picture or I just I don't know why just that's what happens face of evil. Yeah the first four or five months I had to have. My husband walked me to the car every morning. I wouldn't go outside when it was dark outside just in fear but a in the back of my mind. I don't think it would happen at night. This was something that happened during the day but I was just so scared. It's changed a lot of people here. not only in our family circle but the whole town they were in fear. This would never happen here. I mean there's three stoplights in town but it then so now we all have changed not just one person. We have all changed for Becky. Patty Libya's grandmother. She had for the first time someone to look for in town a real actual live face. There's been times that you see somebody. It just looks a lot like this sketch and I can't stop myself. Tara and I were at a stop light one time and both of us and the person felt uncomfortable and I mean how new Feld it a steering so hard they turned and looked at is. But we couldn't help you can't help yourself he stare. You look you skiing or room. You scan anywhere you are you go to a restaurant you're sitting there and you're looking while you're carrying on your conversation. You're looking at work. We're on the road you look I keep thinking I I have a job that I'm out and about a lot and you think oh only if only I could see him. What would you do heavy a tough one? Well I WANNA make sure we get the right person so I definitely call nine one one. I would not be Palin. I really thought it was the person I'd be calling nine one. One Sheriff Tobe Lazenby. Has Anybody walked into your office to say. I look like the sketch. I want to clear my name. Here's my DNA that has occurred. A lot is a lesson five times that I remember but yeah it has happened and by the same token have there been people that you've gone to check out and said give us some DNA in their leg. I'll pass this about that. And then that's where our our investigators pursue a research work there are prosecutor presented that way legally says anybody wanted DNA from that. You haven't gotten it. No one comes to mind eventually..
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"Part three between here and there so now you have a good chunk of the picture over these last few hours. You've heard what happened. You've heard the information. The police want you to know in some of what they probably don't. We've given you the lay of the land and brought to the trails themselves. You know what it's like to stand on that bridge from here on out. It's all about the puzzle. There are a lot of theories and speculation that begin to work their way into this story because of the geography who came and went from where and how a lot of that has to do with the places we've already shown you and talked about in the places where about to bring you now. This is important though. None of this theorising or speculating is coming from the police. It's from everyone and everywhere else. Family friends locals journalists the Internet for drew and Dan Their first time exploring the area brought many many questions. It probably has for you to. Let's get back in the car and work through some of them when I was GONNA ask is. Do we know if there's any thought to where the perpetrator began to walk on the trail? That's the million dollar question. Nobody knows where he came from and nobody knows where he went to when he was done. All we know is that he was on the bridge because we have video of that. Nobody knows where he came from where he left to. And there are so many possibilities. Did he walk here? Did he come from one of these properties and simply walk? Was he a trucker who perhaps stopped on the hoosier highway and found a way into the trails from there? Was He parked at this abandoned? Cps building and out for a walk. Apparently that was an area that people would sometimes leave their car if they were out here. Walking closer to the actual crime saver. Yes so it's fifty yards from here from this. Pr fifty yards Towards the Creek if the maps lineup. It should be this far line of the cemetery here. Should match up if you were able to do a straight line down. Fifty Yard shuts down here. So it's down there yes. Zero has always been there. I believe it happens and you can see if you did go this way. This would not necessarily be an easy walk out enough to hear them right with their sensing. Just also I mean the. The forest is very thick. Here of the ground is very uneven. There's trees it a fall lenders ravines that was also the problem that the searchers have their out here at night this area would be relevant as his point of Egress. Perhaps well one theory is that if this is a person who's local who knows this area. Well a lot of people come here and hunt and fish and he may know multiple ways in and out of this area. I think one theory early on was that perhaps it was somebody who had access to Ron. Logan's property since the girls were found on his property and that maybe it was somebody from there who went down. Apparently Ron Logan has horses and is kind of known in town is a guy who lets people come and hang out on his property and ride his horses. Perhaps let's people hunt on his property that kind of thing so there. There are young guys who come to his property on a regular basis and everybody in these farms and like in those silos and grain silos over their employees all been questioned as far as we know there is also somewhere over to our right west of east rather of where we're located there is a meat packing facility and apparently cops went there and checked everybody out there because also one of the theories. Is THAT THE VIDEO? That libby took with her phone. The man is wearing a blue jacket. Did some people say looks like a Work Jacket? Especially if you work in a plant where there's cold storage and right back you give me etc right. And some people believe. He was dressed too heavily for the day because the weather was rather warm and he's in a appears to be a heavy jacket with a hoodie underneath. Some people also think that perhaps he was just hiding things in his clothing. Perhaps kill kit for weapons of some sort gropes. Whatever he thought he might have. This is the direction that Jerick drove to come and pick up the girls. And there's a bridge just a few minutes down here and that's where he was when he made the first call at three eleven to say almost there at liberty did not answer. You can see bits of the creek down here you can see how steep some areas of this are there are areas that flattens out A lot of people have asked about the area where the man sat down the hill and how steep is that what police have told me that it was walkable. It's a little on the steep side but it's not something that you would have fallen down at something. You could have locked down. Trump's thirty video two you're fishing we don't know they're probably were I know that searchers and family members have said that they came to begin searching. They did see people who were just out enjoying the day. Hiking walking. Taking pictures was warm. It was warm day of the winter. Right people want to get outside and yes it was sunny. The Sun was out. People were excited about spring and wanting to get out and deer creek from what I understand is a very popular place to fish very popular. Game Other Bridge. Yes which which virtually walking we started. It is tough to tell. The belief is that when libby took the video that she was on the far end. The South Eastern end of the bridge entered nurturing which walking away from where they came in of yes and that that part of the bridge is the Well as Kelsey says. She thinks that he knew they were trapped there that once. They're on the far end of the bridge. There's very few places to go. It's it's not the same as on the the front end of the bridge. That's part of the official walking trail the far end of the bridge. There's no trail there. There's no path you're supposed to turn around and come back. He directed them down the hill..
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"Police are also examining this snapchat photo. It was taken just before both girls disappeared the announcement that the girls have been found to a good end. We are investigating this as a crime scene. We suspect foul play. Law Enforcement is saying that one of the girls actually took video on her iphone. They say it was right before she was murdered. We have we have a still photograph. We have sound on this person's it could be half the white males and Carroll County to the killer who made in this room. We likely have interviewed you. We know that this is about power to you and you want to know what we know. In one day you will come down the hill the Delphi murders. I'm Barbara McDonald along with Andrew Aydin. We just ran down the major details up to this point in time line it adds up to what simultaneously seems like a lot and practically nothing in our last chapter. We learn new details about the crime scene and the picture is gained a little more focus from this point forward. With a few very notable exceptions the police circle the wagons and goes silent for a while. There's a lot to put together here. The pieces can fit in a number of ways to get a sense of the what though it's essential to understand the where place matters here a lot. I want you to feel that too so in this chapter. We're taking you to Delphi to the woods to the bridge. Part One. We caught up Wouldn't trade small community life right anything except for the day that this happened? T just look in the eyes and that was the only thing that this community talked about. And now whenever you Google doll far just punch in the first thing that comes up and now that's part of our community and it is a part of who we are now Delphi. Indiana is about an hour and a half north west of Indianapolis it's the Carroll County seat and an easy drive to Chicago two hours your up for a cubs game. It's a small northeast neighbor to Lafayette there. The home of purdue the boilermakers downtown is divided by Washington and main streets and a beautiful old stone marble. Courthouse sits where the two intersect up and down. Main Street you'll find plenty of beautiful buildings hosting Delphi's shops and restaurants and books. This is a Carnegie Library. I mean this is a library that was built in the early nineteen hundreds and has seen a lot of expansion and It's a great place for kids to come. I brought my kids here. You know when they were little for puppet shows and story time Julia he is the Executive Director of the Carroll County Chamber of Commerce. Here in Delphi. It's her job to get people to come to town. She's lived here her entire life and as a good person to give us the lay of the land. Delphi is a quaint Small community that has a lot of interesting things to do You're so close to the bigger cities. I think people like to to live here visit here because it's at small town slower pace you know and you can escape the hustle and bustle the bigger cities. But you're so close. If you need those big city amenities what are some of the big landmarks for places? Some of the landmarks here Were home with the Wabash and Erie Canal so there is a one mile section where you can actually take a canal. Boat Ride Kinda live like you did in the eighteen hundreds And that was entirely built by volunteers. The center of the park. The trail system Another thing that was more recent about six years ago. Was the Delphi Opera House. And so that's been interesting for people to come and see Performances back in the early nineteen hundreds with James whitcomb Riley. What are the people of Delphi like people? Adelphi are friendly. You know it's. It's not unusual to walk down the streets. They hide it to people. Greet you that way. And I'm sure you have found that to wave. They say hello. If you look lost. They're going to stop and say what. Can we help you with We're close community Is how I would describe us. Do you think that people outside of this area connect Delphi with this crime? How do you mean is that something you come up against as you're promoting this area when you say I'm yes from Delphi? Yes what do people say exactly so for months on end when I would travel and go to conferences and things like that and they want to know where he came from. I would say well my I live and work in Delphi in it was an immediate reaction and even to this day. It doesn't happen as often but people like. Oh Yeah I remember what happened there and Delphi and even from a tourism point of view when when you Google doubtfire you google things to do. I mean that's what's coming up. You know it's sad that we're known for that now And I hope to people realize that there's so much more here and you can come here enjoy a lot of things but also still know that you're in a in a place where people remember fondly You know about these girls. So it's It sounds like there's a resiliency to the town. Yeah that's a good. That's a good point. I think people here are strong. The kids were strong. You know my niece was the same age and it. Just they've come through this. You know. It's sad that they all had to grow up so quickly that day and You see them people close you know. People are closer together I think you're willing to help your neighbors out even more than what you ever were before But there's still this. People are just more cautious more suspicious. They look over their shoulders which people probably already do and bigger cities. But here we didn't. We didn't have to lock your door. You didn't have to worry about that and now stuff didn't happen here. No it doesn't happen here and it's like we caught up to the rest of the world in the most perfect way possible now. That Julia's given us an idea of what Delphi's like let's get out into the county and look around with all the pictures and video. You may have seen of where the crime happened. The trails the woods the bridge. It's easy to assume all that is in a remote area far away from everything. It's actually a short drive from downtown. It's only about five minutes or so. We got in the car and headed that way so we are approaching the parking lot now. Four in fact right here. This sign indicates is the parking lot for the MON high bridge. Three hundred north is a narrow country road and as far as the story of the DELPHI. Murders concerned it's our main backdrop and we're that day in February two thousand seventeen began so keep going on this road. And what's GonNa Happen is we're going to go under the hoosier highway here and then the water tower should be up on the list. Wants to come out from under here and we're going to be making a right. Turn at the Stop. Sign so yeah. They're water towers right there to the last week. Oh right. That's Barbara giving us many tour of the area she'd been here twice before as part of Hr Lens reporting team. I'm driving and Dan producer sitting in the back now. This is three hundred north this road. Yes and so over here on left. This is the mirrors farm. This is where a lot of the law enforcement and even the families came and parked here Because this was the entrance. So here's the red gate you can see it now up on the right. There's not much of a parking lot here. Which is why it was a drop off spot and not really a place where people part so right here. This is exactly where the girls went into the trail and walked just a few minutes down there and to the left and then walked down in these trees that were seen to the right of us now. I don't know if these are soybeans growing here what this is This is big agriculture area and as we go further up where those trees are. That should be where the cemetery is. An cemetery is one of the landmarks because it indicates the crime scene crime scene was just down from the cemetery closer to the creek. So we're also approaching Ron lukens property correct on the other side of the cemeteries where his land begins and then he owns quite a bit of land down by the Creek as well? Now as we're looking to the right that is where the bridge and the creek and where the girls swear this. Ron's house here. It's pretty obvious. Old House yeah. He's lived there for a long time and he owns quite a bit of land back here. I don't know how many total acres but it's a lot. Let's talk about Ron Logan. If you've done any googling about this case you've probably seen his name in just about every complicated high profile murder. There are inevitably people who become part of the story because of circumstance. That's Ron the killer left Abbey and Libyan. A piece of his land and a whole world of attention landed on him. We've attempted to reach him several times and invited him to be on the show but he wasn't interested back in February of two thousand seventeen though he gave plenty of interviews guided tours and looks at the freshly cleared. Crime scene to journalists are show. Horn was a producer for H. Eleven then and got the full Ron Logan tour to. Here's a little bit of that. So where's the hybrids with these off area or the girls were found. Know I can get down here. Was this this deep? So how because of that? How what are the entry points like? How would someone actually? So this is the only way you can mark here you okay you got it somewhere the area the girls were found. I'm not sure what location they actually laying a family of German girl. Cain here the other day and put some flowers down there and a particular spot. So we're about probably so other than coming through your property though. How can you review begins in the big.
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"Robert is gives us a lot to process here perspective about the crime new details about the scene and he makes it clear. He's no expert on the mind of a serial killer if that in fact is what we're dealing with so we found someone who is Mary. Ellen O'Toole spent twenty eight years at the FBI and over half of that time was in their behavior analysis unit. You probably recognize the names. Ted Kaczynski the unabomber Gary Ridgway the Green River killer. She worked on both of those and many others. So mary-ellen one of the things that we specifically wanted to talk to. You is about signatures. Can you tell us what signatures are in a general sense? Certainly signature behavior is behavior that the offender engages in a crime scene that is over and beyond what is necessary to complete the crime and a generally is behavior that is satisfying to the offender whether it's psychologically satisfying or sexually satisfying behavior. The interesting thing about signature behavior. Especially if you're talking about a series of crimes is that the offender will generally attempt to repeat the signature behavior not the IMO. The Motor stop around die. That's something different but the offender will tend to repeat the signature behaviors. Because that's why he's committing crime in the first place. I'm curious from your research and your expertise. Is it common to have multiple signatures you know is that is that normal? Well it's certainly possible to have multiple signatures at a crime scene again if we go back to the definition it is unnecessary behavior at a crime scene. Generally when you Have multiple signatures. It's because you have a series of crimes and so at this point what we have is double homicide whether or not there are other crimes out there. It's still unclear but if there is behavior at that scene that is not necessary to the crime itself so it could be sexual behavior. It could be postmortem activity but if there are signature behaviors. Yes you can have. More one or two signature behaviors are signatures typically things that happen after the murder or is there a a typical time that the signature would happen in my experience? Signature can happen at any point before or during or after the crime. So for example predatory behavior in some crimes can be a signature post mortem after the murders can also be a signature. So it could. It could occur anywhere within that temporal timeframe of crime in our chat with the prosecutor described it as odd and he also said that there was a lot of physical evidence. And I know that that's kind of a broad term but I'm curious from your standpoint as somebody who's been to you know hundreds of these kinds of scenes in what does a lot of physical evidence mean what does odd mean so. I wouldn't know what his definition of odd is odd to be an odd to this prosecutor can be two different things so let me give you a few ideas of what maybe Odd behaviors might be. It could be Again Post mortem mutilation. What's done to the victims? After they've died after they've been murdered it could include a redressing. The victims it could include dismemberment it could include insertion of foreign objects. It could be the placement and the replacement of the victim's bodies so it could be any along that continuum basically could be almost anything it could be the infliction of damage to the victims both before death or after death it could be again engaging with victims in in a certain way that is considered odd so it could be a wide variety of behaviors. You talk a little bit about how wire win a killer would stages seen would that be considered a signature well it depends on what you mean by staging a crime scene so staging crime scene in in the world that I live in means that the offender is making crime. Look like something that it's not because they want to point investigators into a totally different direction because they're concerned that they could be identified as a suspect so some people may say use that term staging to mean that the offender manipulated the bodies. Put them in a pose. That was maybe sexually arousing for him a manipulated the bodies several times sort of go along with whatever his sexual fantasies are. That's that's different than the traditional staging of a crime scene. Staging tends to be done most often by someone who knows the victims. But if you're talking about a scene where. The offender spins time there interacts with the victim postmortem and engages in behavior for his own sexual gratification. Or pleasure I wouldn't refer to that as staging that's postmortem activity.
"the hill" Discussed on Down The Hill: The Delphi Murders
"Part. One two or three things. I'm H. Orleans. Andrew Aydin along with Barbara McDonald in two thousand seventeen. After the discovery of the bodies of Agian Libby there was as we know a flurry of law enforcement activity. Crime Scene Techs police deputies. Fbi But there was also a man by the name of Robert Ives who stood at the edge of the crime scene taking it all in at the time was the prosecuting attorney of Carroll County and the man responsible for the prosecution but that changed at the end of two thousand seventeen. Robert is retired and handed the reins over to the current prosecuting attorney Nick. Mcclellan we've made attempts to speak to McClellan but he hasn't responded to our requests for an interview so Robert Ives. He's a middle aged man. Salt and pepper hair glasses. His family has lived Delphi for a long time like civil war long. We met him at a beautiful three story house. That's been a part of his family for a century. He let us to the kitchen where we all sat in creaky wooden chairs in front of a brick fireplace and hearth as we listen to is recount. His story our conversation led the places we really didn't anticipate and we had lots to follow up on the plane. We had went out the window. That's why you'll hear questions for me. Barbara and a third off. Mike Voice our producer. Dan ovatch from ives perspective crime scenes and Carroll County are generally routine. He says it's usually pretty clear from the jump. Who did what. But that's not the case. Here you were quoted as saying that the evidence or the crime scene was odd. What do you mean by odd? Well in in one sense any murder scene is probably odd but again this is where I have difficulty. I'm not sure what all's been released. There were a variety of things at the scene of the crime. Where I guess I would ask you to talk to the state police about that. They have to decide what's going to be released and what's not going to be released. It was just not. It was just not your normal. A person was killed here crime scene. That's all I can say about it. Maybe you could answer that. In a more general way without being specific to this this crime scene we have our ideas. About what a typical crime scene is person was shot in the head. The bullet casings here. In general to you they unusual on crime scene. I follow along with your example. Very first case I handled as a prosecutor attorney back in nineteen eighty seventy nine thousand nine hundred eight. A fellow shot his wife in Deer Creek Indiana and he picked her up against the refrigerator. Shot in the back of the head. She fell on the floor. He shot her twice in the chest. So you had a dead person with three bullets in them. They were dead He was seeing at the scene. You know things like that all I can say about situations Agian. Libya's that there was a lot more physical evidence than that at the crime scene. And it's probably not what you would imagine where people think that I'm talking about it. Probably not and so because of unique circumstances which all unique circumstances of a crime or sort of signature. You think well this unusual fact might lead somebody or that unusual fact might lead to somebody and I wish I could tell you but again. That's up to the state police. There was nothing that seemed similarly identical that you think well this is modus operandi. I know you're familiar with the term modus operandi where sometimes criminals will use a commit a crime in such a way that it so distinct axes sort of signature for them. Was there a signature in his crime? Would you characterize off against A signature like without congress. What it is I would say there were two or three things that I'd say at least three. We asked me barts question a different way. Even if there are any of cases out there that you could say at. This is like this. Are there any like just generally famous famous cases or famous murderers that you compare this to? Yeah I'm not the best history of serial murders person but I will say this. Initially I thought I think most people thought and I still think that it was probably somebody local because it's just not a tourist spot. It's just not somewhere where would be lurking. It's such an unlikely place to be. You've all been there. It's not that famous. It's not like people come there and hang out. We'll maybe I'll catch two girls here by themselves. I tend to think it was a local. I still tend to think it's a local but a pardon me also as other people. Speculating think maybe it was a random murder. Maybe it is a a serial killer and it's a horrible thing but part of me hopes. Well they'll catch somebody committing some other crime or having committed some other crime and as as sometimes happened in the past. She'll serial killers. They'll confess to this crime people. Ask Me do. I think it'd be solved and I do think it'll be solved because it's so odd. So unusual and people are so compelled to talk about the terrible things they do. I think that either this person will talk about to someone or alternatively they will commit another crime and get caught and hopefully confessed to this one either because they want the fame or alternatively because they're trying to make a deal. I don't know I'm not an expert on the investigation of serial killers. Could if this person does act again. That is something that Superintendent Carter ask at press conferences. Who's next he has himself that all the time. Do you think those signature items would still. I think potentially that that one or two of those things could pop up again. Yes if you've seen the video yes what we've been told by by Shirk Lesbian Kim Riley. They haven't told us how long it was. They haven't solved two inch about what's on it but they've told us what it was like for them to watch their current relationship. You know they still go back to what. How would you describe your thoughts about well? There's two things about it and I think this is pretty. Well understood now but in the early days people would always question. Why don't they enhance this and I would explain to people. It's a still frame from video on a cell phone camera where he's not fully in the frame so there's very few pixels making up the video of this fellow. That's why it's so blurry the best people I I'm aware of did their best but there's only so much. Do you only have so much data? The audio is unbelievably good. Considering the circumstances you're outdoors and people are fairly far away though. He's pretty close probably when they got that audio. There's there's just there's less additional information.
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"Burst in than puts together the sound with the photo of the man on the bridge. It's on an Easel in front of them. Next to two large photos of Abbey Libby the image that you see there of the suspect that came from liberties phone. I think many of you had speculated that before we weren't prepared to discuss the time we have more video we're not releasing it it's Germane to our investigation and it's important that we spread that person's voice far and wide for somebody that will recognize who that is and we'll call us and tell us I talked to a while back audio forensics expert about these words specifically and my question was what can someone who does what he does. Glean from hearing that you know. Is there an accent? Is there kind of a regional dialect? I mean it's tough because there's only three words and basically he said to me especially with a sample size this short. There's basically not a lot that you can get out of it and I think law enforcement knows that and that's why they loop it and play it three or four times so you are hearing. What sounds like a longer clip in theory but it is still just those three words that we have to work with at this point in the investigation and there is a tip line that the FBI takes over. There is a website. There's an email address that people can send in tips. There's a lot of different ways. That law enforcement are asking for the public to deliver that help that they've been begging for since this crime happened the other thing. That's important to note here. Is that Dave Burston. Who's kind of the chief spokesperson for the Indiana State Police? He says that they're not sharing everything. Obviously the question is how much more is there? Well it sounds like there's a pretty significant amount. What other stuff is on that phone and what they're going to tell us now also in the this press conference there is a QNA session. That happens right after and oftentimes. That's usually when the TV cameras sort of leave and go back to their regular programming but this one was kind of interesting there were a couple of wow moments. Let's start going through those sort of one at a time. Is there any specific information that says the person has local or far away? No could this be a stranger crime. That's a possibility this be somebody that knew that the girls are going to be there that time. That's a possibility. Nothing is off the table. The rest of these are tough to hear so we'll read them for you question. How long after Liberty Posted Social Media? Did this crime happened to the murders happened immediately. After or was there time for someone to see them on social media and then meet them Metro as as we know that they're going to be lots of questions that we specifically cannot answer because there are things that we do not want to tip our hand to the person responsible for this that kind of information. We're keeping close to ourselves. Is it reasonable to think that that's an area who wanna two things happen? That was a chance encounter. That's possible I don't think it's likely but it's possible or that person knew that they were going to be there. That's possible as well. Those are things that we're looking to question over here. Dave Burston is saying in that last question that it's possible the killer new. Those girls were out there. It was a moment that when we played this bag we all stopped and went. Wait a minute why at and so I reached out today Burston. He's no longer with the Indiana state. Police he retired in twenty nineteen and now is the chief communications officer for the Department of Corrections in Indiana so he still in the area but he reminded me. He is no longer part of this investigation. I asked him for some clarity on this statement. Did he mean to imply that? It's more likely that these girls were targeted. And that isn't what he's saying he's saying at this point in the investigation in February of two thousand seventeen. They are looking at all options. It basically comes down to what you'll hear. Investigators call target and target of opportunity. Those are two different things. Correct target being a PERP goes with the intention of killing a person by the name of whatever and then a target of opportunity. Being the person's goal is to commit a killing or murder coup. Those people are who they kill is irrelevant right. Perhaps he went there to commit this crime and then Abbey in libby stumbled upon him question based upon what you have it what other investigators have scene of this crime. Do you believe this individual has killed before? And what makes you believe he will do it again? There has been no indication right now that that this is part of a a serial Murderer if that's what your question is So As of the facts that we have collected at this point in time we have not tied to any other Known Homicides Barb. It is inevitable around such a high profile murder. It is inevitable that someone's going to ask the question. Is this a serial killer? It's important to note that while that question is obviously one of the first ones that's asked not every murder is at the hands of a serial killer however in this story the circumstances surrounding the murders because they are so different. It would lead you to believe that. Perhaps this was not the first time this was done. But that is certainly something that is looked at when you have a high profile murder like you said and the circumstances are different you look at other cases they obviously have not linked it to another homicide that they know of but Superintendent Carter Asks. Who's WHO's next worse. Central Logging Radio Show We. We have other information that we're not sharing and specific to your question Raphael. Keep in mind that they're likely the possibility of more than one person We're we're not saying that the person that the voice that you heard is the same as this person here. This is all very complicated very involved and as much as we would like to tell you everything. More importantly we want to solve the crime But again rest assured we're using our resources to put the person or persons murdered liberty German Abigail Williams into our jail here in Carroll County. That was a lot that just got delivered and the people of Delphi are now dealing with a very different story. Everything has changed for them. This is also where we start hearing multiple instances of them saying the person or persons always struck me interesting. Yeah so they don't say they're only looking for one person or they may be looking for Tube. They leave open up possibility that we're not sure how many people were dealing with yet law enforcement as a general rule. I think oftentimes has to hedge. Things has to leave the door open and they do that here. But sometimes that's not the case. Sometimes they save things for a specific reason. Unfortunately we are left to wonder. Is this hedging themselves? Is this a specific reason?.
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Get ten percent off their first month with Discount Code. D T H. That's better help dot com slash D T H. Why not get help? Better help dot com slash t t h partout sight. And sound the the down. The hell do you. Do you believe you know what hill that was that they went down right down there and is that a steep hill is at a walkable hill was pretty rough terrain. We're about to hear from the FBI as well and they are in this from the beginning helping to process evidence found at the scene and also helping to put together a profile of what kind of person might have done this the FBI's initial involvement in this case was sort of by happenstance and agent happened to be in town visiting family and decided to go and participate in the search for the girls. First night heard the call for volunteers and went out and so the FBI was certainly aware of what was going on very early. Nine days ago. we had an agent that was participating in the search for the missing victims. And from that moment until this morning we have stood shoulder to shoulder with our law enforcement partners here the FBI plays an important support role in this investigation joint investigation. And I'd like I'd like to community to to go back to the afternoon of February thirteenth Monday February thirteenth. And just think if you had an interaction with an individual who inexplicably cancelled an appointment that you had had together or An individual called into work sick and cancelled the out and out an important appointment or social engagement and at the time gave what would have been a plausible explanation myself own broker. I had a flat tire on my car. But in retrospect that excuse no longer holds water that may be that may be important. Just a note he's about to say may thirteenth. He clearly means February likely. So our behavioral indicators that this individual may have exhibited since the afternoon of May thirteenth did this individual travel unexpectedly. Did they change their appearance today? Shave their beard cut their hair change the color of their hair. The Superintendent mentioned the close at this individuals wearing in the photo. Did they did? They changed the way they dress. Did their behavior change their sleep. Pattern is different now. Did they start abusing a drugs or alcohol where whereas they would not have been anxious nervous? Irritable have they followed this case and the media's putting out With a with a sense. That is not normal. have they had ongoing discussions regarding Their their whereabouts on that afternoon or thereafter and so while Superintendent Carter starts a dialogue with the killer. This is more of an appeal to the killers friends and family because he probably does have friends and loved ones who may already be wondering. What's what's up what's going on and all of this while there are billboards going up all over the country states including I saw one here in Atlanta. There's a public service announcement that goes out to all of the Indiana radio outlets. I'm sorry. Tony Slocum Indiana State police at approximately twelve fifteen pm February fourteenth two thousand seventeen the bodies of Abigail Jay Williams. Thirteen and Liberty Rose Lynn German. Fourteen both from Delphi Indiana found in the wooded area near the Delphi historic trails. East to Delphi Indiana. Okay let's get back to the press conference at this time. I would like to invite Captain Day. Burston Chief Public Information Officer for Indiana State Police to the podium for the last seventeen minutes of this briefing authorities have been giving shape to the evidence that's been released normally oppressor like this is largely routine with a lot of procedural questions. There are rarely surprises. But when Dave Burston top spokesman with the Indiana state police comes to the microphone. There is a brand new headline. Thank you we do. Have some new information for you today. It's in the form of audio file from the cellphone. The Liberty German had with her at the time. We're not going to play everything that we have but liberty had the presence of mind to turn on video camera again. We're not going to be able to share everything with you but we are going to share this audio clip with you momentarily with the hope that somebody will recognize this voice. I want to be very clear that what you're about to hear is just four short words. Excuse me three words down the hill. You're going to hear this played four times. The audio quality is not superb. But there's enough there that somebody could recognize this person's voice and a Superintendent Carter said not to rationalize away if you hear this today and you think my God that sounds like fill in the blank. Call US. Make an anonymous tip. Tell us who you think. It is. Let us investigate it. If it's not the right person they'll just be out a little bit of time and they'll be weird they can go on and they'll never know that you call that you may tell us who the right person was and you could be the person that helps us to solve this horrible crime. Mica play the clip. Please.
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"To get a look at the people in places we're talking about in this show and to find out how you can call or email in a tip. Visit our website down the hill. Podcast DOT com when you hear the clip down the hill. What does that do to? You makes me sick literally. Hate those words hate those words and Crazy three works can just really disrupt thirty minutes. That's all it will take to disrupt this case and everything we know about the information we're about to get. It's not a lot but it's the most police have ever released about what happened out there that day. It will make this murder case unique. We're about to get a brief glimpse into abby and Libya's final moments to imagine what they saw and what they felt that's different. That's what separates this one from all the others. What happened before and after that small look has hatched thousands of theories. One thing. Everyone can agree on though. Is the fact that on this day. February twenty-second two thousand seventeen thirty minutes. We'll set the tone for everything to come.
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"When you look at the time line of this case there are multiple blips on that time. Line of really significant events in February sixteenth. Eighteenth at dusk the search of this home outside of town which we just heard Kim Riley talking about I'm trying to imagine Agean Delphi resident and hear that there is a swarm of law enforcement on how you must think that this is it. We're GONNA get this solved. This is the end of it and that's not what happened. They were there for several hours. We saw boxes coming out. The media had gathered. I mean it was a big spectacle spectacle on the edge town. You know this is two days after the murders and I'm sure there had to be some feeling amongst the folks in town because as we've mentioned this is a small town so law enforcement activity of that scale on a house outside of town within in our everyone in town knows that this is happening there has to be a feeling of optimism. And hope that there's going to be some new information new answers searchers. The most optimistic being. We're going to wrap this thing up and figure it out right. That's what it looks like. This is the first big police response. We're seeing other than them out at the scene and I'm sure a lot of people did feel that way but that's not what happened. And instead the prosecutor Robert Ives takes to facebook page that night and this is what he wrote according to the Lafayette Journal and Courier and he wrote. Please do not harass bother or accuse anyone. There are no charges pending against anyone as a result of the pending investigation. No one at the home search is suspected of committing any crime. MM please please leave these people alone and let the police work. And at the time that the newspaper quoted that facebook post they said it had already been shared like six hundred time. So you have this huge response. But then you have this message from the officials that Nothing came of that Tom but it still leaves a question. Because we heard Kim Riley say a just a moment ago he said we had probable cause also go into the house and do a search on it in order to get a search warrant. You have to have probable cause so with Bravo. 'cause we don't know so who knows about probable cause us attorney right so we have one bread Semedo Vich. If the last name sounds familiar it is also the last name of our producer. Dan Summits Ovacik the brothers. Brad thanks for joining us. He's been on the phone many days many a times for us as we've kind of picked his legal brain. How are you today man? I'm doing well. How are you guys doing doing? Well doing well. Thanks for joining us. We call Brett all the time when we have questions just the first time. We're doing it with my correct. 'cause we've talked a lot about the legal side of this case you know. Obviously there's a lot of kind of criminal investigation stuff but you know at some point. We're GONNA hit some sort of legal phase so we've talked about a lot about this but Brett. I'm curious can you Kinda give us. Some understanding of what a search warrant entails what is probable. Cause give it to us in Layman's terms for the people that don't deal with US everyday. Sure it won't Layman's terms. Probably caused means that the police have a a reasonable belief that there is evidence of a crime in a place to be searched That's boiling away down of course but ultimately to get a search warrant As a former prosecutor I can tell you this my from my own experiences. What would happen? Is that a police officer or detective would come into our office. They would have an affidavit That would be a sworn statement in support of not only their experience but also why they believe that this property needs to be searched. And what they're looking for and if it meant that probable cause standard that there is a good faith basis to believe that there's evidence that the crime on this property or place to be searched. Then that would go to the judge. The judge reviewed for accuracy sufficiency. And if there is enough probable cause the judge would sign off on that search worn. Then it's off to the races for the police specific. Do they need to be in that statement. Do they need to say we're looking for a gun or we're looking for bloody clothes. Do they need to be that specific they should be. CBS specific as they possibly can because a search warrant needs to be limited in scope. And by that I mean you can't say I'm GONNA the entire state of Indiana right. You have to say I'm searching this house this property for this reason. And here's what I'm looking for. But more importantly why am I looking for there. You can't just say I picked this Random House I wanNA search. It has to be supported by competent evidence. And by that I mean this the police have to say well we have a tip from someone. We saw a bloody pretty shoes from across the way. And there it is we want to go in and get it right. There has to be more than just a wild goose chase. It has to be supported by competent evidence. And if you you don't have that you're not going to have probable cause to grant that search and what is your experience with how high this bar is for judges when they're looking at these. The statements is at a really high bar. They have to prove that they have reason to believe. This evidence exists there or is it a low bar because this this is just a search warrant. Well it's a high burden that's placed on the judges and on the on the police. I should say and it should be because you're trying to have the police enter your private property to search for something. There's a relatively high burden that being said there's no defendant. That's arguing against why the police should not be able to go in there. The person who's the subject of the search doesn't have the ability to contest a search warrant at the outset so it's a one sided game in that regards but you still have to have enough to reach that that probably 'cause Threshold so Brent. You're saying that there's there's generally a high bar that has to be cleared in terms of probable cause there has to be a narrow scope of what you're looking for this search specifically on this property two days after these girls are murdered. Is it unusual to you that asserts. There's like this ended with nothing this soon after the crime yes generally speaking of course in my experience. If you're getting a search warrant that is really close to the crime then usually or should be supported by competent evidence. There's a reason that you're looking so quickly and you feel like it's necessary to get a search warrant within a couple of days for that property information in theory of crime is still fresh right all. That's happening really quickly. If you're getting a search warrant maybe a couple of years after crime occurred and you're trying to go back and piece things together. Well No. It's a little bit more common. The ERA GONNA strike out for lack of better term but when it's so close in time to the crime I yes I think it is surprising and usually usually pretty rare that you're just gonNA come up at the end. That's interesting real interesting bread cemetery. Thanks for joining US man. We really really appreciate it. Thank you for having me Sabar. I know that Robert is the prosecutor in Delphi. In Carroll County at the time said as you mentioned known at the home searched the suspected of committing any crime. That doesn't mean that law enforcement can't then revisit later right. But it's been three years. We've had a recent conversations with Kim Riley from the Indiana state police and he says bet search is not as significant to the investigation now as it seemed that night to them and that they went to that property they thought there could be somebody at that property. who was was the suspect and apparently the investigation revealed that wasn't the case and he also told us it's not as important of an asset set as it was that night so the property in that search warrant it would appear as it stands now? They've moved on but for the people of Delphi for property to be searched and combed over and picked through with the vigor that this police force was using using had to been some optimism. Thinking that they're going to be making an arrest but this is also part of what they're doing is they're are also trying to figure out where their attention is not needed. They're looking at people out there looking at evidence they're looking at all the different things that are coming their way and figuring out what matters letters to this investigation and what doesn't and it certainly looks like right now. That search is not a big part of this investigation and it should also be mentioned. You know we tried to get the paperwork related to that search warrant but as the ISP or any law enforcement agency will do in an ongoing going investigation that is their their justification for denying the request documents so we did did do our due diligence but unfortunately they were not stories and also because ruling out in a Lotta ways is just as important as ruling it in our next chapter. I have trouble saying those words. It's I eighty here. It would. He really remembers but that very very first time that that recording was played couldn't really understand what he was saying. It was all like computerized computerised sounding and then they were able to clean it up and suddenly it was D. T. H.. And it was like is he saying like why and I remember thinking. It doesn't even sound like urgent. He's not yelling he. He's so calm down. The Hill is written and produced by Dan San Mateo Vich Andrew Ayden and me Barbara McDonald old with original music and scoring by shoe. Sir Michael Dudley and Calen- chassis are associate producers. If you WANNA see the people places and things were talking about visit our website down the hill. PODCAST DOT COM Sherry. Selby's is H. L. N.. Senior production manager manager. Brian Bell is H. L. N.. Senior director of programming and Tyler Moody is the vice president of the Warner media. PODCAST network a special thanks to the people of Delphi and the members of law enforcement who are in charge of solving this crime and most important of all a big thank you to you. Of Of course we appreciate your listening..
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"Barbara. I think the story is stuck out. I think there's a couple of different elements. It's a small town. Bits considered a safe place and then something really terrible happen there in broad daylight and then it only got more more bizarre from there right. I mean if this happened up the road in Chicago or an Indianapolis it wouldn't necessarily be the lead on every single news channel and I think the other thing. Is You know the media in a town like this. The story that they were coming to cover it wasn't necessarily the sore there. We're going to get or that. They're going to because of the twists and turns that continue to take place. Exactly IT'S A. It's a bizarre story. We generally know how these things are going to end and in this one. Nobody could have anticipated where we are today in a lot of that at at this point is falling on the shoulders of one man in that sargent came Riley from the Indiana state police. When did this release? Start this case. Start to really get the media attention outside of this area. I'M GONNA say late late that night or early. The next morning we started to get believe it or not we had the BBC showed up out of New York. Had A couple of the reporters. Here I was getting phone on calls from other countries. It was just starting to snowball. I mean I've dealt with national news on other another things but not to the way this this was and it was just a whole new experience for me and it was time to call in some help for me and I had some great other. Just they came in and assisted me and backed me up where I would do. One thing that we'd be doing something else behind the scenes so it was. It was nice to know that I had that kind of help. NOPE For the first month or so it just it just continued and the interest just kept rolling and growing. Why do you think there's that interest? I think once we kind of got out of what happened and the information that we did put out there. I know at first. We didn't put a whole lot and it was. There's reasons three aces on the ground. When you're looking for the fourth one in a card game and you know that's kind of what we're trying to do is hold all the information and we could But yet yet still feed the media as much as we could and I know there's a fine line between those two and it was and there was a couple of times I probably said something I should have not aww said but it was one of those things that it was just. It was hard to hold back and I always conferred with my lead detectives Both in the sheriff's department harm and and our guys and with the FBI when we did do news conferences or when we did when they knew I was getting this information was getting ready to put it out. I always ran up by them before. For most of the time before there was time I could not do that but ninety percent of the time I tried to run everything by them before I talk to the media because I didn't want to say something that was going to jeopardize or hurt the investigation. So it was. It was a fine line on what we were doing. But we try to do the best we could with the information we could put out there while Kim Riley is managing the onslaught of media the appeal for tips and leads at yesterday's press conference is clearly being answered. Hundreds of of them have already come in and while that's happening sheriff. Tobe Lazenby is managing his team of investigators in a community dealing with a sudden influx of. Well everyone is that sudden swarming. If you will that occurred in our our community were down by law enforcement media the governor himself you know coming on board. It's just the over initial overwhelming feeling on every yet You know where we currently are now. The DELPHI city building thing. It's like watching a little beehive. Oh main with all these investigators in and out the door all the time with a file in their hand and going to follow end window. Whomever I remember seeing that first couple days around the you know once? We were organized round the clock. I mean there were million million nights I was up there till maybe one or two in the morning and still seeing guys and now the door all the time following in things those those things they were following up on would lead them to a property on the southwest side of Carroll County. Here's h anchor. Gene Cassara is again with Lindsay eaten. She's a reporter based out of Indianapolis. We do have information to report. The state police are serving a search warrant at a home and Delphi. This is in in response to information. That police received through tips and through interviews giving probable cause to search the home. No word on whether there have been any arrests at this hour we do want to begin tonight with Lindsay eaten she is a reporter for CBS. Four Fox fifty nine in Indianapolis a Lindsey. You are at the seeing tonight. Tell us what you have seen with executing of this search warrant at a home correct correct. We've been out here for about an hour Eight phillies did service search warrant at his home within the past hour some of the authorities have left there is still quite a large presence of authorities out here we have been detected if is bringing them boxes from this home. There's a field next door to this home. We called detectives with flashlights looking through the field. at this point the the latest we have heard. No arrests have been made troopers are stored Riley actually just pulled us about an hour ago. That they don't anticipate any arrest to be made aid. This was sort of following up on a tip that they received in the he said. This is just another piece of the puzzle. They're following up at each. And every Lindsey. I want some more detail here. How many boxes have you seen a forties takeout tonight? Have they taken anything. Other than boxes. Any carpeting any mattresses Taurus's anything we have not we have not we saw. Maybe just a couple like I said we got here around seven o'clock we saw maybe a couple of boxes taken from the home. I can tell you there. There's no crime tape around the house There are a few authorities still out here. They were searching field next door. We saw them going around the house. Ah In and out of the door and asked about it at this point minutes later on the same show Kim Riley called in from the scene of that search. Okay so you went to a judge and judge signed off on this warrant. Why did you select this home and Delphi.
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"You should know the day. Okay after is an important benchmark in this case. It's where for the first time we see actual evidence. There are two snapchat photo circulating articulating. One of them shows Abbey on the bridge shortly before she went missing and before we get to the photos. There are a couple of things about the MON on hybrids. So you need to know. It's more than a century old and it stretches more than eight hundred feet long and Deer Creek is seventy feet below. It hasn't been used by train since the nineteen eighties. So the railroad ties are in pretty rough shape. There are large gaps in between. It's a tough walk and I can tell you from experience. It is not doc for those with a fear of heights in the snapchat picture of Abbey from February thirteenth. She's looking down as anyone who walks this bridge does and should in her hands appear to be in her pockets. She's wearing blue jeans. A Red t shirt with a gray hoodie and sneakers her hair is in a messy bun. She's already already crossed the portion of the bridge going over the creek and the photo appears to have been taken from one of the small platforms that extend from the side of the bridge. wjr Here's Erica Gibson. Again Abbey was Happy you can't really see it like she's trying to get like across the bridge in era little terrified looking down now. She's like you can tell that they would have gone there and stuff unless they wanted to. I don't know if he's ever been on the bridge before But it could have been abused first time. She gets a little scared sometimes so when she's well she probably wouldn't have walked across the bridge so at that point. She was probably scared but I I mean. She was probably excited after she got off herself. I'm guessing if she's never been on it and they were having fun. Maybe was taking photos like I said and Avenue is being a little model. The second snapchat photo is a black and white picture of just the bridge disappearing into the woods. There's no one in front one of her and we don't know what's happening behind her. Which of these two photos was taken? I we don't know that either but we do know the the timing here is significant. Now explain for me. I don't use snapchat. So when Libby took these two pictures she uploaded them which meant that all of her friends or whatever? Her privacy setting was all those people could see it. Yes everyone her privacy settings depending but then once they see it it's supposed to disappear. Is that right. I've twenty four hours. Okay unless you screen shot it unless you screen chart yes and then you can keep it on your device. Okay and does it automatically have the time stamp when libby out does it automatically to snapchat that if the date and time. It doesn't but If I'm thinking right now I screen shotted it when it said three hours and then I looked at the time I screen shot at. It was like I don't want to get this wrong but I forget what time but it was like eighty the math on that until when I gave my phone. They're like okay so you took the photo at this time and it said this many hours ago so my time say instead like to ten when I think it was like two seven so like they're just trying to see wherever he took it to try to get proximate time that it was posted. We talk about imagery in this case and it's important to the investigation. These two snapchat photos are the first clues that help establish a timeline and investigators need to get their hands on them. The FBI came to our school super nice people like I mean. They came a few times. The office people knew them really. Nice people I'd never met anybody the F. B. I. N.. From my experience with them they good people he called us and he was like listen. I got your name from either last student that you you may have the screen shy or that. You may be able to help us. He's a you don't have to say anything. You can walk out of here right now. But that wasn't what I'm here for. I'm not here to not give them what I know. The FBI is continuing to interview. Students and authorities authorities are getting ready to talk to the media. It's the first press conference since yesterday's announcement that the bodies were found.
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"Becky Patty and her husband? Mike are heading home to wait for the rest of their family without libby and at that point in time I was thinking how it happen just she was gone. I guess your mind doesn't go past that for a while while you don't even think ask questions for just a little bit. You just know that she's by here. Could I think it was shortly after that. I was that day even that they did come out and say that they suspected foul play. So that's it starts hitting. Oh my gosh they were killed. They were killed. You have to let that one seek in a little bit because it's one thing if they fall that it's another thing that this this this isn't right. Take a little blurry to me is. We're still in a state of disbelief. You know this is excuse me happening this. Come on guys this. This is not just not happening. Not here not now not us together. Obviously uh-huh and the law enforcement the police they. They did what they're supposed to do name. They're trying to gather and collect much information so they can get in on top of this quick as they can be i. I mean I do remember going in and talk to the police. Just Kinda put one foot in from the other somebody many holidays or calls and then we go here go there. Becky put up very well. It was almost like a out of body kind of experience. You're watching everything. Go on. You're like me. I'm not even a part of this in. It's it's happening and what's going on. Somebody explain this but it was very very difficult to explain it. There's no words to that. I can think of any way to explain..
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"Basically we're going to make this is going to be short sweet. We don't have that much at this point in time basically while we've got We have found two bodies in deer creek about a mile east of town. We are investigating this. As as a Francine. We suspect foul play. We have not made positive any indication of the two bodies so we're not going to be releasing any information on them at this point in time we've got the Indiana state places assisting the Carroll County Sheriff's Department and the Delphi City Police Department and the investigation here we also have the FBI Crime Scene Investigation Group here out of Indianapolis and one thing they family asked us to do is to thank all the communities around Delphi and the people you're adult by or assisting in attempting to locate these. The two young children that were missing earlier they just wanted to say thank you to those people and thank you just wanted to express express their gratitude toward the hard work was done in helping search these children surgeon Kim. Riley doesn't say that girls names names in that press conference but everyone knows and as the announcement makes its way across town. Abby and Libya's friends and teachers are in class they're about to find out Todd lad learning. His services are needed there to receive a phone call from the school corporation. Asking for me to have my staff come over and help with. The school responsible is in session on Tuesday schools day. They had been out when the girls went. Missing but on Tuesday was a normal day with school just hover on that day I am so I responded to that. I can't be there. I'm with families right now but also my staff over a interestingly enough my staff had already gone over it altogether at the Middle School Library and will interestingly enough. Because we're small close knit town. Many other councillors were already there. Many of the pastors were already there at the school. Talk with kids and encourage them so that was the next step to make sure that that piece was covered. The other piece was a bit of care for the media as well the point in time. Where do we have a press conference? What do we do so we talked about having that downstairs in the city building help ensure with the media? Here's why you'll setup here's where the police will set and is just kind of things are happening. All at once. Erica Gibson. You'll remember is good friends with both abby and Libby and if you saw Erica in Libya together you'd swear they were twins on the afternoon of the fourteenth. She sitting in class waiting for news. Who pulled did you class? Our counselor pulled us out of class to tell us that they found them. And what did they. What did the Counselor Stadium? She didn't say anything She pulled us out. We are in health class six hour. She pulled us out and we walked into the office and my dad's standing there like because he was on the search party eighty he was standing there on his clothes. And then her mom was in her scrubs and we just now they d they didn't even have to say anything like we just now and so then. They took us to the principal's office to calm us down. And what did that feel like for you heartbroken. It was terrible. It will something thing I never wish on anybody at all especially like after route we went into the library and A bunch of the kids in our grade were there and they were just sobbing and we're having a circle talking to pastors and stuff like that already and like some of the kids. I like boys. I've never seen show show any emotion. They were distraught and it was really sad. Really Bad Hauer the adults or did they seem as heartbroken as you yes One of my favorite teachers came in a little bit after she after I got called out of her class in stuff she actually asked if someone could watch her class so she could be in the library with us. 'cause she was our eighth grade teacher at the end zone but she was the math bowl coach too so she was also close to run that way in she's came in we just all sat in Hugger and I mean it was terrible. The next few days really bad dogs come in and that was nice and you mean like comfort animals. Yes we had the support at the school. We really did No one had specifically told me I just kind of figured it out based on clues around the hallway when kids were crying. Cynthia Rossi is also a friend of Abby and libby. We met her in the last chapter. And when you talk to today it's clear she had to grow up quickly and this is where it starts. They had started Taking kids in putting them into the librarian they had counselors there and and I knew when I saw like all the different visitor passes in like people crying school officials walking around all over the place I knew that It probably hadn't ended well and did you ask anybody what was happening or what happened next for you. I didn't ask anybody because I just kind kind of had this feeling and then I went into the library with my friends in. We just talked with some of our teachers about them or their pastors actors. There at the moon. Yeah so what's going through your mind finding out that your friends are missing. Now they've been found and it's not good. I think it was just a type of person where I WANNA be there for other people so I was just mostly like consoling my friends in making sure that they are okay in I kind of regret. Correct that because it's like the analogy that if you keep like if you have a cup full of water and you just keep pouring to other people you don't have any left for yourself so I I was so worried about other people and I wish I would have taken that time to you. Know sit down and ask myself are you okay. Are you ready to deal with this. Rather than just talking to people like that whole night I stayed up in talk to friends in their family members in my family members where I wish that I would just let myself self deal with it and just take some time away from my phone away from social media away from everyone in just decompress and let myself I self deal with it and I said listen your babies and you don't know how to deal with this 'cause I don't know how to deal with this. That's Christine Lang. She's one of Abbey. And Abe's teachers and she's dealt with a lot of things in her classroom but never this. I said absolutely no one. You don't you don't have a class in college that talks about what you you do want student passes away from from any reason and you and I both know it's just out of order we. We shouldn't bury our babies or our grand babies and so everyone was mrs trying to love each other. The detects that you got that they had been found was that. Did you get the notification that they had passed ast from something horrific or was that. They've been found they passed away It was just. She was out there. I think a family member of hers was helping and no and I will say. I don't think we really knew nor do we know all the details and I don't want to and that's not my business But then I think by the time people were gathering in the library that it had come to be known that there was some wrongdoing. I don't know that the kids or even I. I was aware that day of how horrible.
"the hill" Discussed on Down The Hill: The Delphi Murders
"Them. At that point. They've been found but because again we had some friends that actually we're in a search party that found him and I talked to him a little bed and they've been found is it's almost like disbelief belief in all. You don't want to believe this. I remember getting Becky and saying okay. Let's snow good for us here. I remember relieving number stopping seeing friends of mine who are in search parties just lined up along the road and then when I talked to buddy of mine. WHO's in the search party? You found something horrible had happened. I mean that at the same time time share of Carroll County gets the news So when you heard they were found what did you. How did your mind process that? What did you think must have happened? Well being yeah. You're you're right. I mean being that. Close A to a a stream that can be unpredictable sometimes You know not having those initial answers in our thinking they gave que did they. Did they drown you. Know where where specifically were they found. You know all those types of questions questions had been answered at that point it all and of course being law enforcement we had to at least in our own minds have thought run through our our minds Okay were they you know was was our criminal activity occurred here so yeah. They're just a large amount of various on unanswered questions at that stage. And when did you find out that this looks like foul playing. It wasn't long after in that initial call actually say within as I recall within the hour of getting the initial one and Put all different twist on the whole scenario for Sobat stage. And what does that do to these men gathered at the firehouse. You said that with that I call it. You could hear a pin drop as it becomes known that this is looking like a crime. Is it still quiet as I recall. Yes I think that again that first hour to to allow it to to set in like that first hour. Yes there was for me. It was disbelief but eventually Not long after that then our our instincts in our training kicked in and we went into investigative mode it quickly it becomes clear. This is different. This will need more experience more tools and more expertise in Carroll County has and I know that if if I put out the caller even Doug Carter even the FBI or to put out that call. Hey we need you know this this and this The someone's going respond to us because that's that's where profession works. Doug Carter at the start of each chapter of this podcast. You'll hear his voice because he's one of the key the people in this case. He's the superintendent of the Indiana state. Police and his part of the story really starts here. He's about to launch a full-scale double murder investigation allegation. And it's clear when you talk to him that this is the case he will solve it. It's a mission. He's hell bent on finishing. I just received a phone call. Aw that we believe we believe. We found the two bodies of two girls. We didn't know who they were exactly at the time I immediately left left. I mean left downtown Indianapolis in drove to to Delphi to the crime scene and we had a significant response. Rate Aviation assets on the way everything every kind of specialty the ISP has to offer to the local community. So we responded with all we had also leaving. Indianapolis is Sergeant Kim Riley. He's a state police spokesman and in a few hours will be giving the first press briefing on the way up. I was making calls to some of our investigators gators trying to find out what they knew and basically most of them hadn't even got to the scene. Either when you realize the state police post is about thirty minutes away from Matt Location I realize most of them probably were running with lights assigned to get up there as soon as possible because it was an emergency situation. I mean it was something here. We got two young young girls have been murdered. We didn't know how we know. Why would we hit? It didn't have any answers at that point.
"the hill" Discussed on Down The Hill: The Delphi Murders
"So it's been absolutely sleepless night for these families. Some of them went home to try. Try to get a few hours of sleep other state out at the scene to continue searching but nobody got any rest at night. No and you know. We've we've seen enough missing children's stories and you always hear parents talk about when the sun goes down and going to sleep not knowing where your children are and how horrible that is and so at this point in this story. You've got a number of people who are all feeling that way absolute and then you know when you look at the time line in this case the search picks up again the next morning morning but I remember looking at the time to talk to you about it and saying why did they start at ten. Am that's a little bit late. Absolutely and they didn't have much of a choice. There was fog in the area they had requested. QUESTED A helicopter from Indiana state police. It couldn't even take off because of the weather conditions so the official search delayed. But still there's people out there looking looking for these girls during that time and that's when the fire chief gets a really important phone call from the police chief Dirty and and I think it was six o'clock five thirty. I don't know things were kind of fuzzy my phone and it was chief moans loans and he said chief we have about three hundred volunteers coming to help search and we're using your fire station as a command post. I came back in started today. I had a couple people from my work. Come in to do nothing but registered Bolan tears. I know three hundred and the people that free lance and don't check in so we had the people and people.