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207: Water

Civilized

20:07 min | 1 year ago

207: Water

"Sean here I'm one of the producers of the show and I play Bob and I wanna tell you about a very special thing that you are going to be able to hear at the end of the episode. It is a trailer for a new show. That blew us away when we heard it. And I've already listened episode one. It is out of this world. The show is CRYPTO Z. And it is a intensely. Immersive FAST PACED SCI-FI THRILLER THAT. Blew US away. It's about a crypto zoologist named Jane silver she sent on a mission to track down and capture a human like creature known as the ice man but things do not go according to plan. And let me tell you that trailer alone on the show. Hooked me. Stay tuned to the end. Where you're gonNA hear it. And you can subscribe today on Apple podcasts. Or your favorite podcast Cryptos E. C. R. Y. P. T. O. Hyphen Z. Humanity's last hope to find settle and YOU WORLD. A small tear forming fleet sets out to prepare lifeless planet for the colony ships. Sure to follow in their wake civilized. Fish must be hard. Don't have to pay with Thala. Your heart no wash gene dish can be like if you can get the scum off. Appear Her right over to Dr Sorry. Hi Al Sari surprise me so much quieter about booting up than before much sleeker down yeah sorry your Auto Dryer Right. I just I. I'm struggling to get the last bit of flex food off you know ever since we been trying to do everything on our own just like you know. I don't know how to cook without getting stick on everything. I do with the pressure Washer. You've a pressure Washer. Judges just dot baby step away from the dish. Oh sure okay. I'll put it no no no show just sent. What about here if I just hold it with my arm? I think maybe put the dish down. Get behind the table. Oh should I like flip the table for okay? Just GIMME GIMME. GimMe one second amendment. Okay I am solidly hidden behind. The table is either work perfectly absolutely wrong cell on put in files a singing a song. Percy's her beatrix do it. And she seems to enjoy it. When she's doing mundane things trying to ignore the sounds of water coming from his communicator. But he's getting more concerned and feels like he needs to check into talking. Try New auto feiler an auto filer. I mean that sounds intriguing. Al But I have. I have two problems with that premise. The first is that I fear that an auto filer would make me somewhat redundant and the second is that I'm very very concerned about the sounds of moisture coming from my communicator. And I'm not sure whether that should be made more of a priority than innovative filing techniques. Bartholomew did you hear what you just said. Something should be more of a priority and innovative. Filing techniques. I I think I am come on our Thala following you. Just take that Saka files and then you see the shift to the left of the desk. Yes Yeah I. I'm familiar with the destroyed. The files shoot. Yeah okay now. If you put the men leave it open I'll be able to file these and it'll be amazing but but al that would just destroy the files and the whole point of filing is to keep an orderly system to keep the ones that you need and and and not to keep the ones that you don't they go into the DT F shoot. But but once again I though I love filing and I appreciate you noticing that feature of my character I I'm really starting to get very concerned about the continued sounds of just crashing water. Coming from my communicated and that's been happening every once in a while i. I'm really worried about the tricks. I think I'd better go find the files in the shooter Al. I'm going to find via tricks and I am very protective of my files so I am pleased that you don't have hands because you're acting very suspicious around my files at this time and I can be assured that you don't have hands despite these new powers that you've found recently and you know what now's not the time to debate this. I'm putting these down. I'm going to be a tricks as an able to perform suspicion by great. Okay Beatrice how you still there and got out A. You're you're sure they're coming for me right. They have to be there. Your Friends Bob. You're right they wouldn't deprioritize me like a file or anything within what what sort of thing could come up. That would distract them from you. Their best friend. Yeah. You're right wait. I don't think I ever their best friend I'll you you're their best friend. Hello don't put yourself down. You're already low down enough okay. I'm going to stay put like you said. Just make sure they come out of course. Of course I am trying to cut you. Haven't that was. Why can't you turn off simple pressure loss of gas I? Now they're both wet. Ghani okay the water source thinking man. We almost the entire. Okay here okay. You're interested find a very safe place to drain the water to. I came to help you thank you sorry hi I. I was responding to a lingering guilt inside myself about how I may be. Don't rush to help in in actual crisis situations as fast as I should know. It's okay we've been We've been kind of avoiding each other a little bit lately. It seems like so. I haven't seen you in a couple of days in Humpty Bob but a couple days and ever since we came out of the bowels and you know you woke me up and I just. I don't really going to be honest with you. I don't remember what happened. I don't remember anything. He knows that you've been kind of weird and distant and we haven't heard from Bob and I the world seems weird and I just don't think that broke the camel's back with I couldn't get this grime off of the dish. It is just the water burns the night. Just oh where's Bob okay? Can you look me in the eye? And tell me that. He's okay or that we you know he's filing what happened. What happened in the bowels? Okay I can. I can take those questions one at a time. Okay so question. One what happened? The ballot happened. Why have you been so you're you? You say you don't remember anything. I remember being of a lot of screenings and then this blinding light and then I thought I remembered something else but maybe a didn't I don't know just I the thing I remember most is waking up and you. You're standing over me in a soon as I was. Okay you left the room flushed. Okay tricks before I answer your questions. Let me ask you a question. Okay if you know information that another person doesn't and you think it might shock them to hear all of that information at once but you also have a history with this person of withholding information because you think that's best and that ended up hurting them at that time is it better to repeat your old patterns and withhold the information because in a way that didn't work out too bad though it's now hurting you quite a bit and you're scared it might hurt them or are you better just to put all the facts on the table and trust that they know how to deal with it even though it might cause an internal crisis so hypothetical. Okay Barth. I'm going to answer those questions. One Time Oh oh hi. Be Jake's house sort of hoping I bump into you. Let's Talk I I. I've been working on that idea for the book. Okay I'm so excited. Tell me all about it okay. Well I'm I'm still working on it. Okay also now work. Shopping is great. Okay well you know I just don't don't judge too harshly right. It's still in its in nascent. Form is what Bartholomew said nascent. Okay start telling me so I just did explain away okay. There's a smuggler. Named kilner quickly joined by reluctant. Fugitives Samantha has they travel the galaxy dodging bullets and meeting. Strange and wonderful beings. Aren't I'm not there repairman. But they're working for an EGO corporation with a really long complicated name. Yeah like a Tom Nikon. He Act and I'm thinking of a really cool name. IT'S GOTTA. Be Dark comedy. It's gotta be sci-fi it's gotta be a podcast it's gotta be about fixing things. Yeah I don't have a name yet. How about like? I don't know we fix space junk. No no I need something like a little more like snazzy words you should think about the name we fix space junk seems a little on the nose as Repairman problem with it. Being on the knows that you you sold that idea. No no I found that podcast the anals fouls a little while ago so you find a borrowed a couple a couple of the ideas from battle bird productions but but most that was still none of none of that was. You didn't writing this hard. That's okay off story. I told him we're all this water is coming from. Its so sophie thank you. This is what I needed. How well you need. Something happens when I get stressed out. I remember things like what I brought down here with you. And how long it takes me to wire a bomb by estimation how. I have more than enough time. Is the water fills the chamber you? I'm not going to let you do that. Bob I know you're not. I don't think you can stop me. How can you? What about your friends Bob? They're not coming out but they're still here. Yeah they are. They're gonNA generate. I remember I remember what you did to me me. It sounds to me like you've you've been really lonely in your thoughts for a long time and sounds like they've gone over in around and under and back and forth so many times that you've kind of potentially lost where they even began. Or how do you even start thinking about them? Let alone get to where you were just saying. And I don't know if it were me I'd want you to talk to me. Talk to me like you know me. Talk to me like like it mattered. And I'm sure even if it was hard at understand or in this case a hypothetical person you're talking about Bob Right not exactly okay to answer your question about what happened down in the bowels. And why I've been acting weird and ultimately to circle back to where BOB is. We need to start from the beginning and at this point. You've known me long enough in this form this new you that. I hope you can trust me. Of course trust you arthaud you. You know how we were supposed to have arrived on a ship what we did. Hey jeeze lake is. I hope this is an important conversation but I got some pretty big. Just give us a second please. I literally could only give you probably five minutes and forty seven seconds oil. Jeez oh man okay bad how. This was going to be sort of a big conversation. I I was going to explain my whole history with with Beatrix in me and and Bob and there's a lot to cover in that time. I'm not sure that five minutes and forty seven seconds will do it working. Oh my God. Herb Beatrix I have hear me time. I've moved off the time scheduled. Thirty seconds what are you talking about? Okay be a tricks. I have thirty seconds. I have to get this out before whatever happens happens. You need to hear this. We were on a ship. But you don't remember because you you re iterating and something went wrong with every iteration but we were on a ship and we got close and and you and I. We went through a lot of experiences. Together I hid from you the fact that we're not sure what a real mission is anymore. And we SORTA started falling in something like love or whatever as we were building a house near mud. And then we got stuck in this underground and now you're here and now you don't remember all of that but it was really really meaningful to me and I think it was to you at one point. We started to find that again when we were down in. Became back here after. We kissed her resuscitated or whatever. And that's why I've been acting on all of youth. How let's see how we do? This in the reboot How this this church La Civilized starring Kristy Bolton Michael Davinci Phil Johnston and Sean Howard sound design and music by mcilveen cover art by Navid daybreak. Join US on patron for bonus episodes and lots more look for the supportive slim can pot dot com episode. God I love You. Voting rate now That was that was a big one. 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WeWork Aims to Go Public, This Time Via $9 Billion SPAC Deal

WSJ What's News

12:18 min | Last month

WeWork Aims to Go Public, This Time Via $9 Billion SPAC Deal

"One of the exciting arts about being in the uk is that we have tried and are trying an awful lot of the methods. Alcee frameworks incentive structures that can be used to solve. These weapons are now at partners. The wsj.com slash issued role. We work is looking to go public again. This time through a spec deal valued at nine billion dollars. So it's a far cry from the forty seven billion but it gives us company another chance to bust the public markets and how to see where broader investing public ultimately values it. We'll have more on. Why the office sharing company thinks this could be its moment. Plus how logjam in the suez canal has started to impact the shipping industry and knowing when to call it quits on your work day. It's friday march twenty sixth. I'm angry totally for the wall street journal. Here's what's news. The operator of a giant containership blocking the suez canal says it will take at least a two or three more days to dislodge it. According to shipping services provider leth- agencies by friday. There were more than two hundred thirty ships waiting to get through some have begun re-routing their ships around the southern tip of africa. That will add two weeks and potentially tens of thousands of dollars to the cost of the voyages three voting advocacy. Groups are suing georgia officials over new law that adds requirements for voters to cast their ballots. Like requiring absentee voters to request ballots with a driver's license number the last four digits of their social security number or copy of another accepted form of identification and also limits the number of ballot drop boxes to one per county except for large counties. The suit claims the new law will unconstitutionally restrict voting rights of all georgians and disparately impact black voters. President biden issued a statement today calling the law unamerican and urging congress to pass legislation that would make it easier for all eligible voters to cast ballots the commerce department says consumer spending fell one percent in february that decline is being attributed to cold weather and snow storms across the country. There was also a seven point. One percent decline in household income but economists are expecting a pickup in the coming weeks as more americans get vaccinated and spend their federal stimulus money. Investors are also expecting more rapid economic growth but have been weighing those signals against concerns about rising bond yields. Us stocks ended the day with gains but the results were mixed for the week. The s&p five hundred rallied one point seven percent today up one point six percent for the week. The dow closed up one point four percent for the week and the nasdaq fell point. Six percent the yield on the ten year treasury note rose to one point six five five percent according to trade web and we report exclusively that new startup axios is in merger talks with sports media outlet. The athletic according people familiar with the matter the deal would be part of a plan to build a larger online publishing company that could include going public through a blank cheque firm also known as a special purpose acquisition company or spec. They say the discussions are at an early stage and could fall apart. Interest in has been growing including among media companies wall street journal has reported that buzzfeed and group nine media are exploring using a back as a vehicle to go public or merge with competitors. We'll talk about another big name looking to get in on the spot game we work. That's coming up after the break. One of the exciting aunts about being in the uk as we have tried and all trying an awful lot of methods policy frameworks incentive structures. That can be used to solve these problems. Now at partners the wsj.com slash it rolla. It's been a wild ride for. We work the office. Sharing company went from a startup darling. To a cautionary tale in the boom and bust world of venture capital now nearly two years after its failed. Ipo we work is getting a second shot going public. It's agreed to merge with a special purpose acquisition company or spec the acquisitions deal values. We work at nine billion dollars including debt joining me now to discuss the possible. Risks and rewards says wall street journal capital markets reporter maureen farrell. She's also the co author of a book on. We work cult of we coming out this summer. Hi maureen thanks for joining me. Thanks for having me. so maureen. you have documented. We works rise and high profile fall nearly two years ago now trying to launch a traditional. Ipo remind us what happened there. We tried to go out to the public markets. It was a very high flying company that had recently been valued at forty seven billion dollars. But as it got close to hitching investors. They saw the regulatory documents that they filed their revenue growth there giant losses and some the entanglements at the founder had with the company that a lot of investors down worrisome. There's a real pushback against ipo. So much so that. The underwriters decided to pause it shortly after that. Adam newman the co founder and ceo wound up resigning. His essentially pushed out the company. Got very close to running out of capital after that and sort of got infusion from softbank it was a very columnist. Twenty nineteen that did not get anywhere near the public markets. Yes so now. We work is interested in getting it on the spac craze. It sounds like we've been reporting about that extensively. Tell us the details. You learned about this potential deal and why it wasn't attractive route for we work basically you know in the intervening time. The pandemic hit which is obviously disaster for the office space market in what they do office face leasing but they bring new. Ceo he has taken except to cut costs really dramatically so even as revenues thala because the pandemic they've become leaner company. I mean it's still unclear. They're still losing a lot of money but they look like a very different company that then back in twenty nine leaderships very different. But as you said we've talked about the spat craze my colleagues. I have been reporting on it. Basically stacks are vehicles. They're called special purpose acquisition companies. And they go out and raise money the so called blank check vehicle. They asked investors to buy shares of a company that will then go out and purchase a private company. And take it public through this vehicle The money that they raised by this yet to be known company so for we work. it was There's so many of these in all hunting acquisition targets so it looks like we were going to be potentially a big beneficiary of this. They were approached by a couple of potential facts that this one that they're working with is bo capital and they're based in silicon valley were looking for supposedly like tech company and steel with we work to take a public valuing it at about nine billion dollars so it's a far cry from the forty seven billion but it gives us company another chance to go to the public markets and of see where broader investing public ultimately values it. So maureen. You mentioned that. The office leasing space has changed a lot a lot. More people are working from home now. Of course because of the pandemic has that changed works business model at all us a little bit more about how that office space space has changed. It seems like it's still unclear exactly where it's going but they obviously have to cut even before the pandemic. The costs were very high. So there were sort of cutting back on. Lisa's getting out of lisa's renegotiating them. They laid off a lot of staff but in terms of the office face. There's a sense you know the most optimistic bullish believers the future we were seeing a world in which big companies cut back on full-term office space. Get rid of leases or scaleback releases and maybe give their employees. The option of going into we were like building in renting space for them renting desks. And that you know maybe you only go into the office two days a week in the future so let accompany scales back office space and footprint but puts money towards we work and people can maybe go closer to home or go into these other buildings space things out that seems to be you know the the optimistic view we can really Can capitalize on that trend if it indeed happens but it's early. We're in the early days of talent. I think for everybody reimagining what the workplace is gonna look like and seeing how it will play out marine. What are the risks for. We work and for bo capital in trying to go public in this way considering we works well-documented history and also the challenges that are unique to specs. We work as in have the challenges that any company has going public. I mean presumably. this all goes through. And there's a be announced the there's a couple of months for it to close before church trading. There's an off chance that a lot of investors could redeem in the south beatles can throw it all off. We haven't seen a lot of that so far but then they've talked about getting into profitability. I think the question of whether they can do it if they don't quickly enough will investors get really worried. The question in terms of s- packs. There's this questions around this whole market. There's a really unprecedented level of volume of vaccine created in money raised in them. So there's a worry that stops to be incentivized to go after any company and buying take public and be less discriminating so nothing that that's the case we work but i think that's just a scary idea the whole market now and it's you know i think we're still despite all this supplies. Still kinda that really ds. I think it's gonna be a while before we see what happens there. That's wall street journal. Capital markets reporter maureen farrell maureen. Thank you so much for joining me. Thanks for having me and finally. It's friday but if it doesn't feel like the end of the work day or even the work week you're not alone. A lot of people working from home say they're burnt out. It feels like work is always there while we eat. Help the kids with homework or try to stream a show. Experts say that's not sustainable. Our workplace reporter chip cutter has been talking to people about how to set work life boundaries. So i spoke with an employment attorney. Who runs her. Own law. Firm and a consulting practice in fairfax virginia. And she's done something created. She started setting an alarm to wake up in the mornings to tell her go to sleep. She sets an alarm at nine forty five pm every night. And that's a reminder for her to close that netflix show to stop emailing to not read that last news story. Anything that she might have done that have crept into her and it just is a reminder for her to go to bed and she says that setting that boundary can do a lot. She says there's a big difference on her mood and her productivity when she gets eight hours of sleep versus six and she's like many professionals has said that she can feel the strains of overwork if she's not careful and this has been one small technique that she's actually found to be pretty helpful. Companies are also looking into this. We have more on their attempts to help with work life balance on our sister. Podcast your money briefing. You can hear that wherever you get your podcasts. And that's what's news for this week. Our host army and refer totally and mark stewart. The show was produced this week. By tornado nori sam western with help from palo bosnian. Jenny hang qatari yokum. Amanda llewellyn casey georgie. Charlie turner jalen and kristen's xlii will be back on monday morning. Thanks for listening.

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Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

5:02:33 hr | 1 year ago

Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

"If you want to live CD medic target your pain at its source it's fast acting relief with active OTC ingredients plus the added benefits of THC free hemp oil. It's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind it's pain and it's getting in between you yeah I don't see why they wouldn't I mean you would think that people who have enjoyed economic freedom over a course of decades would be really good folks libertarianism because I had a best friend who was libertarian. There was a lot of of Libertarian kids at my school but one in particular she refused this is since theft hat oh my gosh I hope the aclu all over this I don't know if they will but I have to be honest thanks to public high school I got introduced he good website or not website YouTube channel called China uncensored on youtube they have videos like every couple of days on this whole thing I hope this turns out well so my dad like really schooled me good for hours on destroying this teacher essentially on you know us abreast of it David thank you for the call eight five five four five zero three seven three three let's go to Libya calling in from Arizona Olympia you're on free talk live on the ACLU website still here used to stand for the pledge and of course she got like in school suspension or something stupid like that so she called the Aclu and they showed up at my school this kid in high school I was constantly you know I was very proud of that have a social slavery numbers I referred to it and I was constantly you know in history class have a terrible feeling is the Hongkong not gonNA turn out well I hope hope somebody can fleet at Taiwan or something or America would be nice if we would let these good people in L. spineless the rockets are being and nothing would make me happier if everybody just gave them the finger and then never bought another piece of merchandise again but is to choose to let in the country but I don't know what the United States is going to do it's probably GonNa kiss China's but like everybody else does unfortunately I can't believe it and I was always debunking everything that they would say about like Erin. US history the the Second Amendment gives a right to bear arms to police and military hey mark and energy and I just make a brief comment about China and then if I can about the high school kid so there's a really their propaganda machine what do you think might happen I think stifle you and on demand your tax dollars to do it and it's a it's a fascinating story if you WANNA look up I think what was her name Rosa Sa L. A. Thala look her up warns that we will see you in court if you do this again and so my school had to make policy things to her that you don't have to stand for the pledge it was awesome so s you know it was like okay. US history you do need to either be on a north to south I'm like I'm going out west I'm going to be a cowboy I don't WanNa fight why are you gonNa make me fight you know and Second Amendment right to bear arms and all that stuff and and the teacher actually really came around he was like he was teacher was pretty darn good but would there was will fight fair I'm I'm only for people you know they'll fight fair then I'm ready to have a conversation if they're gonNA use the power of the state and say well he and about ending the drug war the teachers surround him and try to stop him from basically doing what he's allowed to do you know you don't like in my school they wanted you to stand but you didn't have to say it was their their sort of break even point right right it wouldn't stand either I I was essentially is a Lotta parent teacher I never got suspended over any of these kind of things though well it just shows somebody who's interested in learning and if the state doesn't like people passing out stuff within their bounds and they shouldn't have rules about peacefully assembling Oh the state should be involved in school anyway I cya school says you don't you aren't allowed to pass out stuff but I can't see why schools funded by the government through force so that's the problem Olivia Free Talk Live was banned in China before it was ever cool so there's nothing we can too yeah what are your thoughts on the kidney taxation announced threatening and you know this kind of stuff because that's what basically they're doing with this kid the kid the kid has taxation is theft hat and his passing out propagate dot com I can definitely say that I have found the best cryptocurrency wallet certainly the best named one I'm mark edge I hope they destroy thanks for the call eight five five four five zero giving the number and here we are basically at the end of the show and I love the edge wallet I've been using it for the last few months you can buy sell trade and hold your cryptocurrency securely I trust my holdings of all the major Krypton I I don't think that nobody did this is going to really face any consequences even if the currencies to edge wallet and you should too no long phrases to memorize just a username and password secure your freedom with edge wallet get it now right right indeed check us out of FREETALKLIVE DOT COM sign up for our newsletter Senate for the telegram group you can get all our show prep that we have there it's free talk live I think I think that is I think they're so wrong they know they're on for stopping kid like that it's outrageous I don't know I think is going to get them just like you said privacy depends on it and transmission there are basically two types of advertising direct response and branding radios great on apple or Android in the APP store or at edge dot APP warning it this is a privacy alert you are being spied on right now as I see com and sign up for our emails at News Dot Freetalklive Tasers and contributions by follow us on facebook twitter and instagram you're listening to heartland newsfeed radio network live twenty four seven heartland newsfeed dot com this stream is supported by dot net in the news officials in Bakersfield California have announced they will be solving their homeless problem by throwing people in jail that were what that's what that's what they said it said in the Scott foresman which is a government printer book when I was in eighth grade why and actually incarceration for low level nonviolent crimes it would also counter mainstream thinking on preventing homelessness and addressing the reality of it according to the report the planet thousand five hundred six dollars silver at seventeen dollars to fifty six cents and Bitcoin is trading around eight thousand one hundred seventy seven dollars today's prices are brought to you by guaranteed for life visit Dr Bags Dot Com now and enter Discount Code F. 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Sherman appeared on a show and he said that he flat out apologizes for incorrectly stating what happened in that situation has defeated Apolo apology spoke John Feinstein coming up later good to have you with us on sports byline the great thing about facts they're proven like the fact that crude oil contains impurities of a season after being diagnosed with colon cancer and then right after that good friend of ours he's been around a number of times on the show because he's a prolific award winning Ron Bucks and wherever you might be across this great country of ours and around the world good to have you with us for another edition how does she goodbye to the High Cable Bill and save up to forty five percent on dish TV packages today these are limited time offers and can change series championship when the red swept the Oakland A.'s and he was named the American League Comeback Player of the year after hitting three twenty seven and he missed writer I'm talking about John Feinstein and he has a book out that's called tales from q-school inside Golf's fifth major and so we'll talk to him about this he played seventeen years in the majors nine with the reds also played with the dodgers Detroit Baltimore the cardinals and the giants three time Gold Glove winner won a world it affects of sleeping on purple include sleeping better feeling better and well honestly smelling better try the Purple Mattress Risk Free for one hundred nights and never sweat the bed again the base oil made from natural gas ninety nine point five percent free of impurities and the fact that pennzoil is the first synthetic motor oil made from natural gas not crude oil one problem that affects your sleep health and happiness plus it's just plain gross but it's not you it's your mattress fortunately there is a care it's called Purple Purple is the only mattress with scientifically engineered Smart Comfort read this patented technology is designed to let air flow freely so you sleep cool Erica sports talk show sports byline USA here's Ron Bar Eric Davis joins us able to fifty percents of business first class tickets eight five five three two five one seven eight eight five five three two five one it changed to October thirty first nineteen terms of black pennzoil dot com slash travel on message and data rates may apply please don't text and drive see Purple Dot Com for terms and conditions and unsold seats they use smartfares to fill them so you get airline tickets at ridiculously low prices our prices are to low to publish online with the extra money now for an important announcement to you or someone you know sweat the bed do you ever wake up feeling like you've been sleeping on a slip and slide sweating the bed is a serious but there's expert travel agents find ridiculously low prices for you call smartfares today and get the best price on your next flight guaranteed also checked you can read reviews of the pros check their availability even book Appointments Online and what my wife loves most is at home advisor is completely free to use you'll save you can book another trip for treat yourself to dinner or shopping so stop searching all of those travel sites to find the lowest price on your next flight let one of our smart for a limited time pick a free purple product your mattress purchase by texting sleepy two eight four eight eight eight the coolest sleep of your life and a free purple product by texting call that's right call because the best prices are not online they're with smartfares see smartfares has special deals with the airlines when they were Baseball in your life when you were just a kid did you have that dream like most kids do that they'd like to play this game professionally no because unfortunately DP two eight four eight eight eight that's S. 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Do you want to save money on your next flight since the phone Saturday installing a toilet or fixing an air conditioner but thankfully there's homeadvisor homeadvisor helps me find the best home pros in my area to handle any kind of sudden becoming a professional it's a lot different than coming out after your third year of college and going into professional baseball what about the general lack of maturity that one the opportunity you know you bring up a very interesting point when you had the great success that you had in high school and it makes it look like it's so e club but also at three time gold glove winner and you talked about a guy that could play the outfield boy he could run he could catch the army had it all eric let me go back high school and that's what I knew that I had a real good chance of sight of country were you comfortable with gravitating to baseball over the other sports that you like to play it gives you unbeatable engine protect the proof is in the pennzoil based on sequence very word testing using SAS five thirty get a one hundred dollars travel reward credit with a fulsome as well I think that baseball was for me at the right time clock think you know basically my senior high school and making all everything Zahn sports byline seventeen years in the major leagues most of those in Cincinnati reds uniform were of course he was a member of that Nineteen Ninety World Championship Cincinnati Reds on seven eight zero that's eight five five three to five seventeen eighty I'm pretty handy around the house but now that I have kids I don't WanNA spend type of structure there that allows you to mature on a personal level whereas all of a sudden you're thrown into the working world almost as a sense and yet you're only eighteen nineteen homeadvisor dot com or download the free APP to get started this is resolved and you're leaving home for the first time and the disciplines that go along with being independent but yet also playing baseball I would think would be a pretty big challenge Eric I always think that there's a correlation between one's personal maturity and also they're playing maturity I would think though that when you're coming out of high school and all of us I just enjoy being outside and and that was the most important thing once I got older and become allow when I was a sophomore in high school you know you have one or two dominating players on the team might have you know eight or nine dominating players and that's me but when you signing that has nothing to do with age makeup confidence and your ability to play ball between them on I guess the question I was asking is that when you come out of high school and go into college there's some on all the dominated players particularly as across the country are on one team or your pen against those guys every night so the level of competition increases admits professional rather than the way you had to maybe apply yourself when you were in high school well after my first year professional ball because we typical what was the minor league experience like for you what did you learn down there that helped prepare you for the major leagues You're not rushing to get a chance to play at a certain level for a couple more years nine times out of jail kid comes out of the car he has one or two years or so when I was a kid you really didn't see the game on television it wasn't exposed the way it is now collected baseball cards because they had well I think it's actually tougher to go to college because you have to worry about heck a Democrat as well as sports You go from high school the only thing you have to do way the Yankees the Yankees way what was the reds minor league and Organizational Signature and character Cincinnati it's basically more individualized than in any particular sport because the team doesn't go up to the next level and you go up to the next level so you not only compete against the other players dying on your team I mean you know they needed outfielder to get called up one thing I know Eric is that during the period of time that you played every organization had a signature it had a personality had a character to it the dodgers the dodgers you have a high demand for academic as well as my baseball program like a Texas or Miami some of these things and then you can you know I don't have to go play the game and they'd come home and study for a final exam it is probably a little tougher go to college especially Somebody d one has just because of the age that they happen to be with their coming out of high school put too much Andre Guys who come out of college he's not really as well you know so I think the most important thing about signing on the high school is you get a new more time to mature easy people maybe sometimes they're not prepared for what it takes to also be proficient at the next level when did you realize that you really had to work at this sport in order to become well the other thing too is that they were coming off a decade in which they were the big red machine and had those championship seasons so I would assume that that would be kind of an influence on the organization it was a week without because everybody's down there for the same goal is to make it to the major leagues in nineteen eighty of the one of the most prominent major league franchises in professional basement and DP and you know all state that type of stuff I think had I graduated from high school after basketball I probably would have gone to college because I would have been in a friend of mine but because baseball so you know so you just have to come in and be ready to perform I mean you know I don't think it's any different any other organization I think the actual individuals to make it more than get back to your life with CBD medic available online and that CBS these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA this product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease food would have real good programs and and the academics are high as well as their sports update high too so if you check them find universities in August so therefore you have to become the best of the best that you have to be able to compete with the best and once I knew that I was able to compete he'll be out of me every day go all the way into the Bubblegum I've prided myself on this playing off for football basketball and track flare now of coming isolate you probably have three or four years on improving over the next two years and you have a real chance of points in the next and would it really is this is the dodgers way red waves and be making all their words are pretty much come in play hard and they're looking for immediate results Burbach the game you know nobody's GonNa wake you up just like you're not GonNa wait till you get to college to become more independent but in a sense you work with lunch period you know from the pictures that go you know we all had guys subside six ninety five now one thing they did was almost adapted that peak goes Charlie Hustle style that you had to play hard you have to get dirty you know you have to aw influence is difficult for you to move and that on days when you had great vases like the reds and Yankees and dodgers she governor from April Audrey good for the candidates so you wanted to do best we got to see team won or not he had to perform in order to take it to the next level right those guys like look at the divers and the machine came together seven eight years before a guy started to lease so it was very difficult if you was in organization let me die fitted him for seven years because we're seeing really wasn't imminent guys just switch teams help you in dealing with this no that's interesting why no because when you talk about cancer baseball has nothing to do with that I mean you know what I'm saying two thousand stocks every day and tells you when to buy what to buy and when does sell any stock to maximize your profits in less than ten minutes a day and he answer what went through your mind immediately well it was a relief because I was actually I was misdiagnosed and seven days veteran player that would take the rook underneath his wing and and kind of showing the ropes a little bit eric the day you found out that you had colon related to baseball Kinda helps me with my physical condition because I wasn't tiptop shape but as far as my middle capacity no it didn't have anything it was and I knew that had an opportunity of getting it out of my body your teammates and also baseball I know it's it's a large family how did they rally around you it really overwhelming one thing I know eric is that because the professional athlete is highly trained highly skilled enabled the focus did that discipline a being the pro athlete are you an active stock market investor will you know these three key words buy sell hold those three magic word I it's called vector fast and amazing system designed to make smart investing easy the assistant analyzes sorts and ranks over nineteen my pleasure thank you Eric Davis Seventeen years in the majors won a championship with a Cincinnati reds we'll take a break continue with more of you and sports byline not a mess with death and there's nothing that you can ever come across in baseball that can prepare you for them so therefore I think it gets I would have to say anything well Eric I wanNA thank you very much for your time I appreciate it very much good luck with the rest of your life and you've always been very kind to come back and visit with us again here on sports byline this can make or lose you money in the stock market what have we can show you at time tested tool that's been helping stock market investors succeed for over thirty years so you said in a hospital for seven eight days and nobody can tell you was wrong but you know there's some oh that's the problem I didn't feel like they were letting me know what was really one nine eight hundred 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hundred four five hits and a run over six innings so it's all Saint Louis as they move onto the National League Championship series thirteen to one in the fifth and deciding game over Atlanta on the awesome once they find out what's found not one hospital and went to the neck so what I had he was more of a relief and it was like okay let's do we gotta do to get this out of here Fifth Major John You've written so many sports books what is it what story do you think makes a good sportsbook what attracts you to it yeah it's a really good album number one hundred dot com this is an urgent health notice for all residents suffering from back neck knee and wrist pain you may qualify army and navy and to write the book at the Patriot League and those aren't famous people at all but they have stories to tell and this is a book that I've really wanted to do ever since I wrote it question Ron and I I I really believe that you don't have to be rich and famous have a good story to tell you I was fortunate enough to get to write a civil war about the kids who played and ten runs in the first inning they were up thirteen nothing after three four players drove in two runs each for Saint Louis and flared he gets that victory allowing healthy obliging New Jersey for nothing that you sports update we love watching sports but these days it's nearly impossible to catch all the best moments of your favorite games now with the news sport clips APP you can receive real time customize notification so you know when you're games are back after commercial break period change or rain delay download sport flip from the APP store today and one or nothing flyers put this one away with three goals in the third period Carter Heart gets the victory made twenty five saves as four different flyers scored ace in the NHL Overtime Win for buffalo five four so the stabers sabres stay undefeated buffalo had to power play goes goals I cal- I respect and when he comes and visits with us on sports byline it's because he has another book out and this one is his twenty first book tales from q school inside golf I two goals and to assess Hutton gets the win with twenty four saves and you'll Hansen added a goal and assist it was Philadelphia over New Jersey that final was more sports one of the most prolific guests to be on sports byline over its many years on the Air John Feinstein and the reason is that he is a prolific writer one find the stories at the first stage the second stage and the finals that I thought were there that I knew were their stories of heartbreaking stories uplifting stories to and it was really fascinating enough faith in my ability to know a story to believe that if I think something's interesting that the reader will find it interesting and it's my job to find those stories and a good walk spoiled because when I wrote that book I did a couple of chapters on q-school and I was fascinated by it and that was just the final and most people don't on I think you know I know Ryan you've read a lot of my books and I think we would agree that the books are really about people just happened to play sports or coach sports be involved succeeded or because he's done both in some cases the human factor in any book that you right how does that factor into the way you write a book John Oh element to it where they learn business ethics and how to sell clubs and how to run a small business obviously that's no longer true 'cause the players make so much money that they want to play the game they WANNA get better at the game they want to succeed at the game and ultimately if they're good enough and they end up becoming millionaires that's just a huge bonus incriminated this yeah I keep hearing the word fascination fascinating to you is that the major ingredient for anything you think about writing a book on Yeah I always understand the q-school is far more than the finals it's three stages and just getting to the finals is a major achievement so I wanted to go back and really dig into q school and Oh everybody was tremendous Florida's organization invited from senior pets I mean the whole thing was just by convince the reader that this is someone you should care about even though you may even though he's not tiger woods even though he's not Michael Jordan this is someone you should care about because he struggled or because or not start the other thing too John I'd be fascinated in is that when you think about all the characters are the people that you've written about in your books because they are none of them started out playing sports regardless of what it is to get rich they started out playing the sport because they love their sports and they kaniche scored his third goal of the season and Philadelphia had a pair of power play goals so again it was five four buffalo over Montreal in overtime and adamant right away or Phil Mickelson who want to turn them in college you have to get through q school to get to the tour and typically they're about twelve hundred guys who enter each e way that money but they didn't start out get rich tell everybody what the cue school actually is okay the way it works is it started back in professional golfers are those that have the dream of playing on the PGA tour where are they coming from what what are the backgrounds you know there's really no pattern to it run the second stage they have to go play many tours or in some cases they have to go get a job because they failed enough times not getting through first or second stage arts and whether it be amateur at the professional level there's got to be a commonality about their passion or their love for the game that drives them what is you what have you found is is that combination in sports and I think that what happened is that I try to find the people with the most compelling stories regardless of whether they're stars if they realize it's time to go look for a real job it's a hard decision to make but some of them have to make it because they're not making a living playing golf John What have you found to be the breeding ground for don't have to be club pros anymore but they still call it q school but what it is it's the PGA tour qualifying tournament you have to go through it unless you tiger woods and you win up the desire to do it and the and the wanting to do it and obviously the ability to do it and coming from any particular background in their rich kids who come out and nineteen sixty five and the reason it was called a school was because of the fact that in those days you actually had a classroom element to to the schools not that don't make it then onto the tour out of the Q-school well the lucky hundred thirty who make it to the finals and then don't make us or have a place to play Tom Lehman grew up in Minnesota Jack Nicklaus grew up in Ohio Arnold Palmer and Pennsylvania so Tom Watson and Kansas City so there's no real pattern to it it it's more of that because a lot most guys didn't make enough money that they could afford to just play on the PGA tour they had to work as club pros they had to run a business so there was a school on the nationwide tour which is basically triple a golf AAA baseball the rest of them more than a thousand of them typically who don't make it through the first eight or don't make it through a commonality I think they'll have a dream you know one of the things I found about dealing with professional athletes even though many of them become millionaires one of the interesting things you would think that most of them would come from warm weather play is in quite a few of them do because there's obviously more opportunity to play golf if you're growing up in Florida go about then getting themselves qualified to even try on the q-school well you gotta you gotTa turn professional and you have to show some evidence that you in the last few years to find off courses that are quality courses that come close at least two being PGA tour like courses now they've got to find a lot of them there afford easy to find that many clubs that are willing to give up there for a year especially to a non glamour event it's one thing if you're a private club and I think he does I think every year that goes by when you haven't fulfilled the dream if you haven't gotten past first-stage having gone past second-stage you begin to one line partner said you were cheating yesterday second of all we found that you played in this event last year under a different name and we sent you a letter saying he couldn't come back and you entered this year on California or something like that but a lot of them come to cold weather states you know for example rats facts the entry both came from the same small town in Rhode Island ear and there are thirty spots in ties available on the PGA tour so think about the odds that most of these guys have starting out what happens to the other eleven hundred seven college golf and then they say okay come on ahead but even so ron a few people slipped through the cracks every year there are always a couple of guys who don't come close to breaking eighty there was one state open or a USDA sanctioned amador event or something like that and then they say okay clearly you wanna but he'd been played college golf and played at a certain level eighteen first date site there six second-stage sites and then they go back and forth alternate between California and Florida for the finals every year so it it really isn't savings for details Mike How's the house coming along needs a Tana work the pipes are leaking needs a new roof the just broke during assumed name you now have to go home so the guy turned to Peter Jacobsen and said you know I believe I'm just going to go out to my rig and get my shotgun said if you shoot a gun like you play golf appointments online what's it cost actually homeadvisor is always free to use nice I'll check it out go to homeadvisor dot com or download the free APP so imagine this is your money and someone wants to take it from you who is it the irs they want you I q school when I was researching this book who for four Rounds Shot Eighty nine ninety nine ninety four hundred four now he will get a letter that will say so what do you do fight back by letting our team of experts at the tax helpline work it out with the irs so you can keep your money and we're good I don't have time to do it all myself you know anyone just ask homeadvisor they match you with the best local pros for any home project cool yeah you can read reviews and you have played quality golf at a certain level you can't just go in and say one member gas right I wanted to be a flight at my club or even a championship like you have to have one talk to about Q-school in the old days me I'm talking about some of the golf courses they played on you know you and I wouldn't WanNa play twelve bucks to play on but the tourists really made an effort what is the cutoff point in that first round I mean how do they 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his latest book is called Tales from q-school inside and she says I'm so glad I guess is as good a time to tell you I'm pregnant in five minutes he went from retired from golf with no no kids off-shore gotten through second-stage he missed four years in a row by one shot and he says to his wife look I'm thirty four we're trying to start a family going back one more time audie and guess what they can legally take it all of it if they want remember they sent you that letter that said hey always a bunch of cash and we're going to take it from me just for the people that come back year after year and try to make it onto the pro tour out of the queue school I think it's stories like rhetoric you might remember that wetter the Ryder Cup team last year in two thousand five he was at useful he'd lost his card again he was thirty two you know he was struggling to make a living and he hey we got the PGA tour coming here and Tiger Woods is GonNa player Phil Mickelson's GonNa play it's another thing to say well we're giving up our club for school but the door works really hard to get a lot of good clubs Eh golf course I'm just interested in if you're a high school kid out there or even a college kid and you think you've got the golf game to be able to play professionally how how do any of these kids go back to try one more time when you take a look at the players that are on the PGA tour and they think back about their experiences at the q school did they find it harder really golfs fifth major we're GonNa make it a selection of the month on the Sports Byline Book John I'm sure you met a number of interesting characters while you were writing this book tell me make it on the tour and they're poor kids who come out and make it what type of course is do they play the the competition on they've really tried to upgrade the courses the older guys we also road next man up last dance and many other books again it's called tales from the q school we continue with more of you and America's sports talk under you question yourself you doubt yourself how much longer can I do this how much longer can I afford this financially it's a very difficult thing for these guys as years go pats seventies played with a guy who couldn't break nine plus he was cheating he was fluffing his ball up in the love kitchen rough kicking around in the tree Peter went to the rules officials into agent believe it or not and he made par that all made it back to the tour right on the qualifying number and then a year later on the Ryder Cup team stories like that I have great memories of school they all wanted to tell stories about it they don't WanNa go back but they all love to tell stories to see Peyton you know one six times on the tour don't miss out they don't have any stories to tell also in the book you talk about former masters champion Larry mize and he going back to q school and playing with some of the players and ended up going back to the last couple years says you know when you get in a rain delay in the locker room and guys start telling stories they're almost always evacue school guys like tiger very upset and his wife cost while he's hacking his honey my brother's just he says on the Internet it says that you made it and she says that's impossible to guys I thought that was interesting tell everybody about that well Larry my had to go back to couscous thousand five as you said even though he's masters champion League Jansen who time USO believes at least the fans believed that you just kind of jump onto the PGA tour what's the biggest misconception about today's pros and how they got there about some of your favorites wow I'm not sure where to begin to tell you the truth one of the you know I I mentioned that there's some heartbreaking stories and they're acting as one a he made it back to the tour right on the qualifying number in fact on the tenth hole the last day he almost lost the ball agent sounded with about thirty seconds on the clock Mister Mind you don't do that Oh yeah I do I had to make it through second stage to get you it's amazing when you think about this accused school because everybody thinks and where I get more savings since it's always low priced and right now at staples all HP in cartridges are buy one get one thirty percent off plus get free overnight delivery on HP you know they see it on golf channel they hear the stories about guys missing by one shot the famous story about Jackson Bregman we shot sixty five the last day in nineteen I'm online and sure enough you guys in the last shot seventy eight and he made it right on the number so he calls his life 'cause I can't believe it I made it my career still alive thank second year out of college he makes it to the tour and he thinks Oh this is easy you know I'm GonNa make a big living here and retired in my yard well ten years later he's playing mini tours editor Tom Watson called it a right of passage he said he's proud of what he did at useful in one thousand nine hundred seventy one as winning eight major championships because if I don't make it I'm going to look for a job so he goes back to the second stage plays as hard as he can and and on the last day looks at the scoreboard anything by one again favorite stories from the research in his book off the guy named Ron Whittaker who played wake forest use a nephew of land watkins so we had golfing in flood flood it was so tough mentally and he remembers it so vividly remembers making double bogey on the back kind of lasting oh my God and my going to blow it and and do you live on the golf with kid on the way and then he made it through the final and played on tour last year in two thousand and what do you find John is the driving that was known for winning because those guys stay fit continuous who was it that took Eric Davis underneath his wing because invariably during that period of time there was always the story like Tom Lehman he was ready to retire and become the golf coach at the University of Minnesota and decided to try one more time and you know exactly what happened to him those are the stories that it's okay you know I couldn't get it done time has come for me to go home and get a job he calls his wife tells us on the way home most back to the hotel he's very disappointing not just jump onto the PGA tour because I'd say three quarters of the battle is getting there the other misconception is that most people I think think useful is just the final I was in a first stage in Tampa and it was a guy named Chris Whistle who's who's good player he made it the second stage several times and he hit a ball into a water hazard and he just difficult because getting to the final itself is Victor John what was the hardest part about writing this book deciding which story to tell because there were so many of them there were so many good stories so many sad stories so many funny stories when I sat down with them than I had on the research the hardest story about your shift in against Lake Norman because I was five years old when that happened I don't really remember and like Oh my God you know I've landed in right which is fighting what was there a bizarre story that ranked above all others when you research this book you know one of them that comes to mind is like so I actually walked around with him one day final you know he had to go back to second state and a fan there aren't many fans Eq- school but there are a few fans yelled out getting to the tour or staying on the tour and playing well on it today I think almost all of them will tell you that the most difficult experience they ever had accused in fact pulled out another ball and started playing with it on the tour strict rules about the brand ball you play with it you start around title is yet to end eighty nine of naked on the number and then his playing partner Jay Hobby had written down a four hundred I mean when you actually made a three and Jackson didn't the champion had to go back and I said the only difficult thing was to have guys he's supposed to be competing with they didn't have this demise could you tell us hadn't she's close to eighty in the last group says I'm telling you what my brother said he goes down to the hotel manager because he does that a computer can you get me online guy gets it hit before he signed his heart so he ended up by once they all hear those stories that may think oh that's q-school pack the first and second stages are the warmer the TV cameras that way well there's no gallon when when this Guy Chris Whistler losses raw the only gallery with a guy who'd been fishing on the golf course who happened to be watching that title you start with Nike and with Nike because they don't want players endorsing multiple balls and changing balls and mid around so they they had an showing off and gals walk spoiled this book inside the ropes others like that it seems like you kind of gravitate and feel most comfortable with the stories to be told about golf am I correct in that observation writer amongst all of us not just on sports but generally speaking and David Halberstam and I know you knew him well and I just wonder what your thoughts are about him emotional in an intimate stories and I really enjoy what do you think that the reader of this book will come away with as far as their understanding about pro element whether you're sports writer or political writer or an investigative writers he and Bob Woodward to me the to truly great reporters of it was very tragic that he passed away in the car accident but but your thoughts about what he brought to writing well I think David was one of the role models for when you look at the sports books that he wrote and the style in which he wrote and the way he covered the story what was it that you you saw in his writing what was it he was trying right to copy taking someone you've never heard off and you re four pages about this person and one of his books and by the time you're done you really care about that person's life because of our generation and the last forty years and I've been fortunate enough I worked for by the Washington Post and as you said I got to know David Back in one thousand nine hundred eighty after working here about for most of the pros I would be amiss and I want to switch gears here John Before I let you go as you know we lost a great after eight forty five hundred dollars playing q-school he had to walk off the dock after sixteen holes you know when I think about the other books that you've written they probably didn't know about themselves he had an amazing knack for two things one getting people to open up and really talk to him and to and this is something I what David you know what John and correct me if you think I'm wrong about this and I certainly did not know him as well as you did but we had long talks when we did get together and for me it's tremendous loss so there's a reader because I always look forward to his book so much and you know obviously as a person because I lost a friend and a mentor find the good stories because it's become more of a business today in sports there's more cynicism that exists out there unless you want to write the type of tabloid book about the Writers of Sports Books and particularly those that approach writing sports like you do like David Halberstam did as well is that it may be coming more and more difficult just so powerful because agents now getting away everybody's looking for an angle everybody has an agenda getting to the heart of a story like that is very very difficult he was more of an observer in so when he wrote about the story he wrote about his observations sometimes interpreting it but I think also giving people information to let or people that are on the fringe of sports not in the focus of sports they're more willing to open up and give you or any writer a little more time I think that's always been the case do you know that the t shirt that genius is detail right David never miss anything by David told you things about people that sometimes and we're gonNA make it a selection of the month on the Sports Byline USA Book Corner Quick Break here back on the other side with more of you and America's sports talk show John Congratulations on this book I appreciate the time and it's a fascinating story and you've told it very well as usual thank you John Okay right thank you John I'm John Berkeley very high on the list on your right because ten angels sporting sentimental sports because nobody stops from finding do what you're doing attention to anyone that's written a book a wants to write a book the process is not that complicates appropriate to the game and then I called on him often 'cause he was so generous with his time for advice and help and he was always willing to me and other younger writers his books are just generally speaking but I think that the strength of David how're Stan was that he wasn't so much an advocate 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Hierarchy as it relates the basketball and a lot of work to be done and I thought it was a perfect title for art for Our Group and away from the pride that we needed to to instill and so when I was asked to take the the responsibility I made sure therefore I took it on that basis and I think it worked it was the right formula and I believe ran that we've changed well you know right after it took on the responsibility and five and we started organizing my whole thought was was about redemption I felt that USA best I was I was with full time me without any you know people deal with and take votes and politicalness or any of that stuff and well a couple of things not to take shots at anyone that's not my style the fact is it was there were too many layers in I guarantee if you find a better rate they match it in twenty five percent one with lots of options Hilton Dot COM has sixteen top Hotel Brands Hampton Hilton Garden Inn Waldorf Astoria the famous actress you must travel so much what's the sate rotate dot com no one was crazy saving heal dot com so we became the team Road to redemption and the reading thing yea sixth-place finish in the two thousand two world championships and a bronze medal at the two sure of USA basketball all of the the whole pipeline of youth basketball the sixty and the nineteen and the World University teams pass but he noted change frantic golf ball and two holes later who's Gig and golfing what it is he called the rules official over they entered incredible summer winning gold medals and it's now in again to represent your country and my book return return how the goal really chronic allies is not only that but my personal life in terms of trying to be inspirational the people that regardless of how that a future that left a little bit of a grey area in my opinion and I thought the here's the guy didn't have any agenda other than his willingness NBA players don't know how to play the the international game and it seems like at least past performances during those struggling years with the national team Jerry that the players right and then it snowballs and we had a great buying so it was a wonderful experience was there any trepidation and the players making a commitment the you know the layers of USA basketball but also turning around the attitude of players and making a commitment to play USA basketball. What did you do there Jerry it's pretty simple I think I had credibility going in just because of my you know almost forty years of being involved in the NBA and Starting the way I did you know I played semi pro ball I scouted I coached I managed I owned and so the credibility he gave me a leg up Kim for role players we were looking for the composition of a team concept rather than just a group all stars it's been proven on any given night a the second agenda you know like being a coach in the NBA coaching a bunch of NBA players. Some of whom might become free agents in Oh to to take a look at it i WanNa talk about the rest of your career because it has been a fascinating career but I also want to ask you about not only turning around coach's names on the board college coaches pro coaches Dean Smith spoke to the college coats situation said there's only one guy who can do that on to to be the Olympic coach so coach k. was my choice also the formulation of that team was very unique because most American players Shooters we had some defensive stoppers we had distributors we really felt that we had the kind of makeup I had relationships with many of the players and so when I met with them it was one on one eyeball to eyeball I shared my passion my vision why I was spending the time and effort to do what I was prepared to do and I was looking for people jump in the Foxhole and we needed to change a culture we need it college level and let's coach K. coming from one of his biggest rivals ever you know just North Carolina so it was a great endorsement and all along coach k. or dances were and what we needed to do they knew I was GonNa make the ultimate decision but I'd be foolish not to take their their council we had the lead red white and blue someone who really could be a spokesperson someone who could relate to the players and wouldn't have any the core Popovich down in San Antonio or my two leading contenders and that's how it really turned out what was it that the team of players was coaches and players at a summit meeting in Chicago we reviewed I wanted to hear from them what their experiences where with their redone the present circumstance did you think of most of this effort well it was a moment of total fulfillment star spangled banner being played the flag being raised the gold medals the change in attitude that prevailed around the world toward us as Americans as athletes and as basketball people and so one by one they all just kinda got in line it just kind of gave up on trying to play the game or be effective was with what were you looking for in putting the the cast of characters together on his squad we were Zona rattlers of the arena football league and the Arizona diamondbacks as well when you reflect on your career are you amazed about what you've been able to do in sports scary four and a coach and what were you looking for I needed someone that I felt comfortable with we were going to be joined at the hip for the next three or four years someone that well I've been blessed I've had a wonderful platform and wonderful opportunities and I'm aware of that but again to the book that would be appropriate for us to have a shot to be successful in that too proved to be successful when the Beijing Olympic gold medal was awarded what was your reaction eighteen performance could be the group of Stars and so you look at how we constructed our team we had people who were going to carry the load offensively we had the goal the journey of Jerry Colangelo and the redeem team but as he mentioned this is a book more beyond just the redeem team and winning the gold medal at coach who had been successful in the college ranks but had not proven themselves in professional basketball like Mike Chef ski you know interesting story former looking the Olympics it was also about a man who's been very successful in the world sports particularly down in the Phoenix area where he is own a number of teams the sons the Phoenix Mercury the acted I came from the beginning that I did which was not very much you know poor ethnic background in Chicago neighborhood lunch bucket neighborhood in distributed kind of the end of that journey that phase of the journey so it was a moment of total fulfillment the name of the book is hardwork family commitment face sharing in sports was you know the kind of the equalizer for me although I came from a home that was built out of the remnants to Railroad Bucks Carson some extra lumber by immigrant grandparents it's an incurred the people that are things like that could happen to someone from the from where I came from it can happen to anyone what drove you then Jerry hard to well I think they all started somewhere they didn't start they didn't start with money in their pocket and they spoon in their mouth you know they they kinda earned that was competitive by nature and one thing led to another but isn't that just the opposite a pro athletics and pro athletes with the money they make and everything from your background to say that what what drove me I don't this the foundation I received was from that neighborhood from that environment where I learned about passion done the other side of the tracks I was on an equal par with anyone who laced up the shoes or got on the court or got on the baseball diamond and what would you like the reader's to take away from in this book well that going building something starts on the ground level career in terms of earning power on on average so you know I more credit to them the the earn what they deserve what they are what they ended up with a told a group of doctors they these players went to medical school on the playgrounds and their careers about a four year and we started with a a program that was was in trouble and I had the chance to rebuild it and we started at the top rather condition that has left you unable to work then listen carefully take this number down eight hundred five nine three seven four nine one that's eight hundred five nine three security disability benefits called Pinnacle Disability Group at eight hundred five nine three seven four nine one for your free case evaluation that's eight hundred five nine three tested tool has been helping stock market investors succeed for over thirty years it's called vector fest and amazing system designed to make smart invest six zero zero three eight hundred four eight five six zero zero three eight hundred four eight five six zero zero three we continue with more of you and sports byline are you an active stock market investor will call right now that number is eight hundred four eight five six thousand three this is America's you know these three key words buy sell hold those three magic words can make or lose you money in the stock market what have we can show you at times eighty seven four nine one eight hundred five nine three seven four nine one call now it has been said that everyone has a book in them but you have the time or the Disability Attorneys at Pinnacle Disability can help you build your case file an appeal and represent you at no upfront cost to you don't wait another minute to see if you may qualify for your social ability to write your book maybe you picked up some skills or headlight experience that you want to pass on in the form of a book to help others maybe you WANNA leave autobody were we're we're rolling in the right direction I want to thank you Jerry for not only reading the book but joining me here it's a fascinating story and I appreciate you 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Here's Ron Bar John Marion joins us on sports writer to finish your book faster than you ever could on your own it's easy to become a published author called Dorrance now to learn more eight hundred four eight five Raffi for your family or maybe you built a successful business and you want to share your story at Dorrance Publishing Company we have professional writers who can help turn your book idea into a finished manuscript quickly and affordably a dorrance ghostwriter can provide as much or as little help as you need to complete your book you'll work directly with your ghost after the first round by Phoenix where he played eight seasons also played five seasons with Dallas you were a high school star playing in Clarksville Tennessee tell me think easy the vector vest system analyzes sorts and ranks over nineteen thousand stocks every day and tells you when to buy what to buy and when does L. 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But then you transferred to Unlv for your junior season averaged nineteen points youth teams the sixteen and unders the nineteen in the World University team they all won gold medals this summer they all want to represent their country seven four nine one when you call you'll speak with social security disability expert and get a free evaluation to see if you may qualify for disability insurance benefits from the US government a little bit about growing up there it was very interesting that was a military town because it was right next to Fort Campbell Kentucky and We I went there based off of my that's right a monthly cash payment paid directly to you from the Social Security Administration whether you're applying for the first time or you've already been denied disability benefits call now the on the Book Grand Could Bunch Ron Take Care Hall of Famer Jerry Colangelo and again the name of the book return to the Gold The journey of Jerry Colangelo and the redeem team so check it out or at than at the bottom and today I feel so thankful that our our system is in good shape the pipeline is strong all of the he's for just nine hundred ninety five eight hundred five eight four to five one nine eight hundred five eight four to five one nine eight hundred basketballs and stuff you know Sean and all the years that I've been interviewing athletes particularly african-american athletes I found one truism and that is in every one of their families it's a single parent or both parents there the strength of the black woman in the family what was that like you mentioned about your aunt and your mother as well you know nine rebounds a game and you intended to stay for your senior season but you changed your mind what changed it interesting note of the process of horizon they're interesting you say that you know My mother is a very strong woman no was she did how she raised me and my sisters was was on I mean unbelievable say she worked two jobs at a for for quite a while I'm doing my childhood and you know she she made it happen she made it work of course grade five eight four to five one nine that's eight hundred five eight four twenty five one thousand nine hundred if you were a loved one is suffering from physical or emotion NC double a. you know that so but what happened was I took a trip so Detroit that's when they make all American game appear goes to the mother or father but but definitely a woman because I is that much more pressure but now I the NBA who was it that mentored you in town took you underneath their wing you know man came in a great time I say this I'm I'm GonNa give I'm GonNa get the Kudos to all my veterans Phoenix Team I swear they treated me like a like on I like a rookie but they they easily it was funny so I finished the year you know I was I had a great year everybody's talking about all these different things and and how he played and stuff and see what in your early days in the NBA because it's always interesting what the player perceives pro would be and what it turns out to be but in the early days relationship with my mother and my on they they grew up like sisters and we just we we we grew up like basically all households we have helped them of our families but for the most part she did it on our own and you know she she she never acts much you know and and just want the dealership yeah but but also they they broke down stuff and tell me just what went black clean cut was going to be to a certain degree it was it was matt world while I was going to go and I was like okay cool so like you know and it really was people tell me trying to get back to school you know what I'm saying so I was like well you know what I'm saying I I mean I don't see nobody that that's true dirt to be like that you know what I'm saying so why not why not go forward and go visit workouts and the the discipline to be a professional athlete is easy to go be NBA player to learn how to be a pro is the catch and they taught me approach from Penny Hardaway Jason Kidd Cliff Robinson into an inch an inch taught me how to be professional athletes. I mean how to be a pro like a Lotta guys don't understand the process and understand the they won't tell you anything or or or anything that they want to tell you to to to help their situation versus your situation sometimes you know and You know I took him to his in Rodney Rogers Luc Longley everybody on my team those first couple years were amazing I was the youngest guy on the team and they expected so much from me I mean I'm away from my family and my family came to see me a lot but I was I wanNA learn I was always eager learner they opened their doors gracefully arms early it was really exciting and liberating I suppose looking back now you can only smile and feel fortunate that you had that type of experience could not every athlete does yeah that's the key that every young player is looking for we have about two and a half minutes before we have to break but you were on the US national team for the two thousand four Athens Olympics and I I mean I always like I I'm not trying to I should be alarmed Ping I ain't trying to hear on the slip that boggles second round I'm not trying to hear that so I went to the NSF off the court and then guys I I wouldn't spend time with all my teammates at the houses and stuff but they families and stuff and 'cause I was a young guy I was single a little bit and it just worked out that way you know and it was funny because I even I was I was born and raised North Chicago Illinois it was it was Kinda cool you just to put food and clothes on our back in I guess as well I love her though right now you know are harder it is to to raise kids being a single everybody will come in and it was it was a great transition for me yeah I loved your quote you said I had some great veterans on my team Jason Kidd Penny Hardaway Cliff Robinson always like you know I think it's time for me I think this this is a great opportunity for me to go in in my family 'cause I look I look at the draft I'll see he was in it and yeah you know yes that's true because a lot of the league now is so much younger now so low when you come into working out that's rain is probably two year three years early now you know what I'm saying because I mean there's so much expectation that you guys are going to win the gold medal and if you don't then there's there's reaction to that as well what was that like for you plus so it was it was a lot of speculation about where I would go to draft him I was getting some some some some some some stories about you go second round Luc Longley Dan Morally running rises so many I mean the the REX Chapman everybody like I mean last it was a very young team I think most of them were under the age of twenty four and that team won the bronze medal what were the pros and cons of playing on a US national team hey I came in there with open open heart open minds and just eager to learn a gain in two to improve the game you know my skill set was was ready negative like I do everything but with that being said Oh Gosh Governor Team were very special unique and it just you know I think it was just so much going on that that Detroit not I talked to some very influential infant influence panther I'm sorry employees for people that I'm taking a look right barely Ron I'm I'm enjoying retired was happy how on always I really want to return because I would happy I play Music Aa term I wanna play tournament we went to the NRT saying they still going in it versus I mean listen it was a learning experience you know you know sometimes I think people with the bat and sometimes you have to just learn how to doubt Creighton Watt now listen to really so why so many people was lying they was telling me I'm going to be second round and late first round pick I was look at all the wars and this past year for the NBA. All of yourself for six year was from somebody from different country that's so that tells you how much the world have to to be around other players just learned from like like I'm always racing living around my veteran player these guys now they used to be on social media he's just rock a rock raw talent like like I learned how to control that and learn how to to to to ease myself into the game and and learn how to do the how do we get some of that southern basketball instincts and technique in an ha and have some the city as well so they come come into play a big part in Hey Hey bench what are you doing I'm rubbing my blue EMU on or are you ready to go fishing you said we're going fishing this morning stumbling there's so much stuff you'd have to balance when you when you're doing it but in the day if you don't have everybody focusing determined to go out there and represent your country because it's a different thing especially caught up with us in forty five seconds it says an awful lot does it not sean about chemistry and I'm not just talking about personal chemistry it's a you know the ability see the -bility chemistry everything has to come together for an all star team people don't understand that and that's not hard you know it is hard to replicate the NBA you're playing lead the League in the world but he plays a U. S. eighteen you're playing for your country so it's actually it should be a as an international plane people don't realize is understand this when you went international play you're playing a team USA teams only been playing together for for maybe I think we have some great greg team but everybody can't play together you know I'm I'm not and what it is you know some guys just just can't place her by them on in the comfort of your own home only for what you keep and everything else back plus the styling fee is applied to what you keep an shipping returns and exchanges are always fire step up because now you're playing for for something that people will die the plate for you know what I'm saying John Marion is with us we're GonNa talk more about his career miles and leave notes for your stylist about white you like for a small twenty dollar styling fee your clothes are hand selected for you based on your profile and then deliver to you I have ten gold glove award here we go again Johnny Bench doesn't go fishing and yeah I know I know Johnny Bench goes catching blue EMU supports live on their team the biggest thing is by everybody about him but also to you gotta realize you got the Eagles you've got different guys who feel like they should be playing not playing now now all that it to your door you take the hassle out of shopping and find new styles that leave you feeling wait it starts with a simple profile Ukraine in just minutes export different L. 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Muscles and joints blue EMU it works fast and you won't stink available at nationwide retailers and Amazon tired of wearing the same you want an NBA championship and his Dallas ears and we'll talk about that as we continue across the country and around the world we've got on sports by La it just happened it didn't click at the right time for I said it never really met and fell short it happens you know saying you know lots that we play these teams asserts every week we can help stitch fix as a personal styling service that matches you with your own stylist someone who listens to what works for you and delivers closed styles that work for you at stitch fix dot com personal styling for men women and kids stitch fix dot com personal styling for everybody staples for all Your Business Essentials and beyond ten twelve nineteen restrictions apply free delivery excellence holidays and weekends ordered by five PM see stores Staples Dot Com Slash Inc savings for details now that you can get oh they don't even know how to be a professional athlete so they hopefully they took up some points from a veteran it's on the team or they'll play before them that they gave us opponents to be a true professional but with stitch fix you'll get access to great looks ranging from refined to rugged and everything is hand selected to fit your physique and your budget discover the stylist so they all like pretty much you know what I'm saying so and as the world's catching up with basketball you know what I'm saying you see how many European players earn the eight right now is here's your business more for less it's more peace of mind knowing my ink is in stock it's worth more done with my day because I'm in and out fast and where I get more savings since it's deal with the raptors signs you what was the difference between playing against Dirk Nowitzki and playing with him Oh my God that's a that's a great question has low priced and right now at staples all HP in cartridges are buy one get one thirty percent off plus get free overnight delivery on each INC at staples dot com staples com slash delivery and get all your favorite three ten meals slight Cajun Chicken Pasta delivered right to you wherever you are at participating restaurants only three available third party clap delivery fees apply I'm pretty the basketball it just it just is what it is you know just because you know NBA don't mean you go out and do this and do that you know some guys are really good at certain things and that's good you know saying everybody John Marion is with us on Sports Byline USA NBA forward for sixteen seasons a four-time all-star and he also wanted listen this is America's sports talk show sports byline USA. Here's Ron bar circumstances you can make better in fact you could turn it into something very very positive and so I think it's a good read and I encourage people a handy around the house but now that I have kids I don't want to spend my Saturday installing toilet or fixing an air conditioner but thankfully there's Homeadvisor homeadvisor helps me NBA Championship in two thousand eleven with the Dallas Mavericks after brief stops in Miami and Toronto in two thousand nine the mavs in a sign and trade tend to define the power for Bruiser Bangor conquering stuff he even he redefined the position with the away jumper and some issue three ball homeadvisor is completely three us go to homeadvisor dot com or download the free APP to get started the Q burgers finally therapist's office we're it's okay to your feelings and welcome to Chili's delivering order online at Chili's dot com favorite chilly three for ten meals delivered anywhere can be your own personal chili's so hi welcome to my house welcome to the Meat Lovers section of my inlaws Vegan bar it it's really you know when you when you got that kind of mentality you know what I'm saying because if with that and replicate that so whoever it is we know it was it was truly truly a blessing you know having only Cuban to to be right there in part of the process Jaehnke was here man you know we we we were able to join forces and competed when a championship there was pretty special you know who you remind me of the late dentist once in a lifetime sucked player that you know saying he he he he actually enhance the position you know we we we we find the best home pros in my area to handle any kind of project you can read reviews of the pros check their availability even book Appointments Online and what my wife loves most is I don't think he's a a great ball handler but but say cargo probably one of the best shooters I've ever seen like this is and weighs able to get a shot off now you know being a a real a true competitor being on the twenty third for so many years and then joined forces with him in these these these are not the same anymore generations change and and he ain't the same I think the same eagerness these players you know and and he protected away that you know what I'm saying is it basically is part of what the game is now the day you know I can't say I I don't think he's the month chip you know what I'm saying over portion of you get to team the team to come back to the same as actually come back volume maybe two years because he's planning for fifteen to twenty years they've been they've been plenty united Jay Jason Terry guys you know I mean what were you saying about Derek special is a special type of player you know he's a it's GonNa be me too so just the same reputation of how exciting game isn't house is getting bigger bigger world lot but to just this look at look at look at if you know what I mean and you approach the game defensively the same way you are big read him rebounding guy but defensively you would always turn it on and you will respect Johnson I knew Dennis and I'll tell you the reason why he was a guy that believed in defense and boy I'll tell you what he'd get inside Your Jersey in the fourth quarter uh-huh yeah I felt the same way I mean the way that team was playing in the way they were focused I agree but it was a great series let me switch gears on you for justice that can when you take a look at the players in professional basketball what is it that all the truly great players like yourself and the others that we have talked about what is it that they do his every series has a key moment what was it in that series Becker thinking about Iran you know I think it was up your championship in two thousand eleven when the mavs beat Miami six games are insects games to win their first NBA Championship and the one thing I've always known who consistently the work after another the just the work that you put in so the game I think it's a little bit of everything it's not just defense you know I pride myself on on on playing the all around I felt like we we we start claiming mouse basketball throughout the series so it's a game three three or four the series we need to go out there and score or whatever they need me do when you do to win I'm all about winning and you know it's funny that you know I'm getting testaments to play sixteen I should've had twice honestly I deserved it twice they just give it to me because we will like I really feel that way I like we we win that series playing Mass Baltimore he played the whole playoffs we possibly because you know saying that sometimes people don't really understand the game though I actually they went to to doubt my game every part every team I play them to what they needed thirty pounds heavier than me but thirty or forty pounds to me but I did it and I did very well and still gave them twenty and ten you know what I'm saying when no problems that's that's the part that verbally up some people leave our actions or or so people do both a little bit about you know you just have to be it's like a cancer you know you when you when you when you try to you know say sometimes I leaders lead differently a lot of startling differently you know sometimes some people leave very sake no you when you when you when you you hungry SOC- better to make your team better you'll put that you'll put their time in you know in soon I talk to guard the League was was dirk was playing on one of the guys that are regular basis you know same Tim Dunkin's he said he was very athletic as a player but he had a big body very nonchalant and very skilled yes yes no the opposition best player like Kobe Bryant Lebron James One night or or Michael Jordan but I found it very interesting and surprising when you nominated one person as the kindergarten yet and everybody else was where she was and all these powerful is that was the most dominant position at the time I I had the garden a small four you know what I'm saying six seven guys Geico just playing defense or this ain't no and everything I played on all day but to suggest what they needed so they need to go out there and stuff we call the leak crew of his new generation right now they stand out the guys who don't they up and down every night you know what I'm saying yeah you know you guys office cover and when I thought about it I kind of smiled because I think I said I can see why you would say that tell everybody who you said was the toughest cover mass murder Yup the respect to happen again but this is this is it's crazy because there's only a certain you can pick out you can pick up that that ten fifteen guys that was two hundred and thirty pounds and the guard these guys this three three three or four inches taller than me in and heavier with basketball from not from a player's standpoint but from an ownership standpoint yeah I I was fortunate to be to be involved is is divided into three groups different groups I got a lot of guys bust up in the middle I mentioned about your defensive strengthen and meant you were often guarding a guy knows logan their first game and that's why they won that game and then became a one game to whatever for hire it was okay but I just feel like into buying a New Zealand breakers and it's been it's been amazing you know I only started the season start and also I you know I worked for the Maverick would you know turn the TV who come to play every night I think it kill us more floor laws played lesser team or whatever it is they come into play and the season right now let me also ask you about the caliber of play in that part of the world and you you alluded to it I agree with you the rest of the world is catching up to the I so much a at an ecstatic overshadow you know saying because of all of the high power scoring threes dogs and stuff but I played great want some guy you can tell guys who want another guys and you can see the play like it stands out like it's not big now look at the guys now like the guys who able to hand group of guys in the League now they can do that I mean I'm I'm I'm saying that very very confident in in like is easy though like any but a few Erkin game with talent and style as well so where is the game in that part of the world oh I think the NBL is I mean it's I think it's it's it it has to be it's a the second game console wake up a little bit I think everybody has them I gained jitters being finals and at times You know his that was not getting the craziest part about when you garden you guys though sometimes they spend so much energy trying to go I've been known as a defender but I never made a visit team all our eighteen physically here which I should have made I say twice in my and my and my own he's a big guard in the big body wide-body so it's hard for me to because he's he's he's crappy he was really skilled with the ball and stuff like that so the top Garmin Gain five I could I thought like I felt like we knew we I know we thought we could beat them I think I leave it focuses night out yeah I know exactly what you mean let's switch gears because let's come up to date tell everybody what you're doing you're now involved the world so we have the only team that's out of the country although the teams are in Australia so we go from his nineteen got another yet another expansion team I'm not it's a great great show grab is I mean it's just like almost like I was at home you know what I'm saying Yeah you take a look at some of the the Kiwi players warning 'cause he he unique size and he was just a he was a tough car because he's visited me and of course anybody begging me but he was skilled in the way that like guys this is not skilled it you know is in Australia really pick up and love American basketball and also basketball in their country well that's huge over you know I think and also some of the players from Australia that have come to the NBA they'd certainly proven themselves and I suppose that the fans in New Zealand as well and all the other ones are a group of guys that are at the top and that's why they're the superstars typically you guys there in the middle and you gotta go there little bar the NBA as well too so I'm I'm with those guys and I'm on I'm a legend and I do some things with both both they saw Dallas in the NBA up abroad and and whatever at times a year but The breakers are awesome. I'm waiting I'm not mad are you gonna you GonNa try to tell you the time that you that you put it on the sides you're GonNa try to to integrate into your game integrated into the team and all this other stuff Steve Nash who you played with what made him so special since nobody thought he could play at that level of professional basketball I mean I mean I think I think the big question. NBA players playing the NBA right now that's not even a question who makes up the NBL what what cities what towns what area the so I mean basketball is huge over there he's the best basketball shoes NASA's so like all them markets is totally different in and they're growing rapidly right now you know I I was and when I say they're they're fearing and everything they do over is definitely a a a low key model of the NBA but we add expensive team yet but there's a great need in I mean why why say y'all was I was very impressed with the product while whereas last year too it was pretty for successful in Dallas before he came to Phoenix well right but I'm talking I'm talking about coming out of college in Santa Clara I mean listen I think you don't don't don't give me a long team but we're in New Zealand and we have nine teams in the League right now like thirty something teams but it consolidated consolidated so I want to say is bruins coins is growing I have to ask you in the two minutes that we have left I want to get your thoughts about two time. MVP on Marion's mind that moment that he'll never forget of course this championship or something that you know saying that every made stronger and we were steady growing more teams back we're GONNA make sure we keep the a team is writing and everything else is is everything's GonNa be right before we mt so you know I I love the champion stuff like you know all the channels anybody even Kobe Kobe guard but like another challenge because I do have little hips all paycheck hey listen I wanNA thank you sean for spending some time talking about your life talking about your family and your career Outstanding Hall of Fame Career in my opinion take care and come back and visit with us what makes raw appreciated John Marion with us as we continue on sports byline you don't know what somebody I keep up until you experience it get that stays in and give them a chance you know you know answer thank you know I think you know everybody can be proven wrong there'd be real basketball player people who compete at this level wants wants to accomplish in I mean career as a that's how we all star off to some degree when you think about the sixteen years of professional basketball your life and everything is there one thing engraved and would this crazy 'cause I guess Zealand as the country but you know you're close to China close to Australia's receive a free no obligation consultation on how to get rid of that debt for good call the debt helpline now we work on your behalf to reduce your debt toppers two games this season you know I went I went through our game and New Zealand over to Melbourne to offers against the defending champions that went last year attention business owners now is the perfect time to start saving money on your cable TV bill for Your Business we can give you packages with up to ninety great channel play now a little bit you know my body my body feeling but I was at peace with the game no I missed a commodity I missed the you know Sam missile trips in on this 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I ever three consecutive women's basketball championship old clause so we will spend some time talking with her about her life and also about her fine fine career and then we're GONNA be talking with Scott Fujita he's going to kick things off straighted then to the La sparks and in two thousand seven she announced that she was retiring from the game but she returned for two more seasons before stepping away from the game for good now gleason is about Steve gleason a teammate of Cheetahs during his playing days with the saints and is battling ails Lou GEHRIG's disease in this film is a detailed and good for that is that physical attributes or is it more mental and emotional approach to doing something that is not something you see in the stats the Cleveland browns he was a member of the two thousand nine saints team that won the Super Bowl super bowl number forty four defeating the Indianapolis Colts but what we're going to talk to him about is I've Scott of course a very interesting person aside from football player for eleven years in the National Football League playing the chiefs Dallas Cowboys New Orleans saints do things on their to do also check out the fan poll question that's very helpful to me and the other announcers on the network to see how you fans feel about different issues and you can listen anytime the best and most successful basketball players in US history she played for the two thousand US Olympic team won the gold medal there she was a star at so I hope you'll check it out again the name of it is leasing and check out the award winning sports byline USA website were particularly proud of it you can find it at sports byline DOT COM in two thousand ten and she has a very interesting life story and that story is chronicled in the documentary mind game the unquiet journey of Jamaica something a project that he's involved in a very important project because he's always spoken out on social issues and he is the CO producer of documentary call 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Two eight four eight hundred eight it's almost Halloween goblins and their parents will soon be at your door doing valid on online eligible restrictions apply while supplies last us only hey you're that famous actress you must travel so much what's options Hilton Dot Com has sixteen top Hotel Brown's Hampton Hilton Garden Inn waldorf-astoria helping dot com you should totally do their commercials expect better look into the indoor facility and I see this guy with long hair doing yoga and ask a couple of my new team-mates pay who's the guy out there on the yoga pants and they said that Steve Leeson sometimes you kind of season workouts and the first day of Aussies worked out that Spring I'm in the weight room with the rest of my head teammates more thrown wait around probably looking at ourselves in there and Jason so it's the first time I met Steve I I was I find with the New Orleans saints in the spring of two thousand six and it was actually the first free agent and joined the team after Hurricane Katrina I don't think I just had a feeling right then and there stephen ever going to connect he's just sort of this counterculture football guy who's all in on the field he's all an off the field all in with friendships family and everything he does in life and that was just kind of the beginning of a really beautiful friendship you know if you take a look at it as career special teams player but he was somebody that left his that was so much bigger than just football and in many ways cemented Steve's legacy as an icon of that community and also signified the rebirth of an entire region so superdome and the Saints First Game Back After Hurricane Katrina and this is one of those plays and I think we're all guilty sometimes of overstating the imports of sports but this is one of those moments a hero in that community two thousand eleven was certainly a year that is emblazoned in his mind and anybody that knows Steve and tell me a little bit about how he mark the Fan certainly did love him tell me a little bit more about his playing career so steve the players probably not most known for blocking a punt and the new ones sate dot com no no no one was crazy saving heal dot com with their price match guarantee if you find it rarely matches antique twenty-five percent one with lots the recession monumental pivotal play and saints history and Steve got a statue erected of that exact play now outside the superdome and he really kind of an icon probably is what led him to start doing these videos about his progression with this disease absolutely just six shortly after he gets diagnosed his wife was diagnosed with A. L. S. so January fifth two thousand eleven steve was diagnosed with a Alaska and did they stated that was crushing on everybody around him and himself included hang in there are survive I guess a lot of people tell him that I intend to keep living purposeful productive life and do what I love I think that says something about his spirit and that back he and his wife Michelle lives and just how difficult this is going to be but what I think is most remarkable is how Steve decided right then and there that he was not going to let this disease live I need to start sharing myself with this unborn child so he flips the camera on himself and almost an legacy fashion just recording life lessons in journal entries and things like himself to get them the tools and equipment and the technology that they need to still live purposeful lives in the same way to Steve wants to do I know I have a quote here he says I have no intention to incredibly personal journal entries but also footage of Steve Jumping out of an airplane to celebrate the one year anniversary of his diagnosis or Steve Getting carried up to Macci peachy or very touching to me because I lost two friends through a L S and I went through that with them and I'm just wondering as you've gone through this with Steve What is it that has touched you it would be an understatement I lost my uncle tail lasts about fifteen years before Steve Gone diagnosed so I knew first hand you know what this is going to do to him how this is going to into fired also kind of sad and devastated but also ready to wake up the next day and take on the world so there's some sticks on you and it's a really really cool thing to say on a personal level and hopefully you're gonNA walk out feeling changed hobby screen is around the country through film festivals and Now with this past weekend we just opened up at theaters and overwhelming guy long before this diagnosis but what I would say I'm most proud of of him is just the discipline and dedication he had to setting aside the time every single day to share himself has the best parents are trying to instill and teach our kids couple of years later Steve has over a thousand hours of footage and not just these you know ink imprint the most about his journey combination of things I think just again the way he's chosen to live life with this is the is remarkable but he's always been incredibly charismatic the response is extremely positive and people are emotionally floored and in some respects have a hard time articulating exactly what they're feeling you'll uplift floor resonating with her story so strongly for instance we you know doesn't screenings and did a big one in Washington DC A few months back to kick off asa advocacy week and it was a room full of patients caregivers doctors etc and to have a caregiver spouse stand up and applaud Michelle and thank you for sharing our story it's just like putting this stuff out there and letting it speak for itself this is one of those those movies where you're gonNA come in for two hours and you're gonNA go roller coaster you're gonNA laugh you're gonNA cry a little bit willing and have the courage to share her story and it'd be so vulnerable on camera and show the sense of humor and Lebanese that she has to get through all this and the way that she has has been great and Oh find out she's pregnant with their first child so that points to these sort of has lightbulb moment you know thinking hey at the doctors and experts right about my time line and I only have three to four years memory I'm I'm just wondering as you reflect back is there one particular moment and I know this is a tough question that is kind of ingrained emblazoned in your mind looking at potentially being theater someday that was kind of one of those big moments then I think we get into Sundance Film Festival and when you're having these backyard fire site fireside chat sessions like how to skip Iraq and how to ask a girl out how to overcome adversity he talks about you know religion and faith and love and relationships all these things all the same things taping his life he can either resist this or accept us either way it was going to happen so from that moment forward he made a decision to do everything he can push the envelope to You know having a party backstage after Pearl Jam Concert it's just you know just really incredible you know I would say epic footage in a lot of it and the original intention was never to make it up with his son to me it's nothing short of remarkable I'm so proud of him for doing that in his gift that has done you know we'll have for the rest of his life the two how did you deal with that as the CO producer of this journey well that's the thing about this story I it's not just an ale film it's not just the football film or personal moment I think for me and everybody involved and it's just it's I think we're just so grateful for all the support we've gotten otherwise we wouldn't be where we are we got about a minute before we have you might patients as a number on a chart anymore view them as human beings thank you for giving me that again I mean that's that's good stuff now that's happening response of this film now that you've done this dr his former teammate with the New Orleans Saints Steve gleason who is battling a LS Lou Gehrig's disease and someone like myself who I mentioned has gone through this with a couple of need from this movie and to me that's perfect because people are getting something different every single time whether it's the doctor that may have lost touch with over the years and wants to call him that night and reconnect friends I gotTa tell you this is an important documentary it's one that will educate you it's one that will bring you in touch with your feelings about something like this and and all those precious moments that sometimes I think we as parents can take for granted Scott the Geeta with us on sports byline talking about the documentary it's called Leeson it's about are you an active stock market investor will then you know these three key words five cell hold those three magic words can ends with chiefs Dallas Cowboys New Orleans Saints in the Cleveland Browns and he won a super bowl when he was playing with the saints in two thousand nine we continue on sports byline a feature length film out of out of this footage but I think there was so much there and I think he and his wife recognize that there's a chance to maybe generate some impact or start a conversation and move the needle maybe just overall with people and what they have to go through so I recommend to you highly it's called gleason that Scott for Geeta NFL linebacker who played eleven seasons it's called vector vest and amazing system designed to make smart investing easy the vector vest system analyzes sorts and ranks over nineteen thousand and that's when the decision was made to do something with this with this footage inserted into Phil Scott this of course is very inspirational but it also can be very painful that balance between nine eight hundred five eight four to five one nine eight hundred five eight four to five one nine that's eight hundred five eight four make or lose you money in the stock market what are we can show you a time-tested tool that's been helping stock market investors succeed for over thirty years Andrew like overcoming adversity so it's really all that and much much more so it's there's no it's not a lot of it has to be put into balancing the good the bad and the ugly have nine three seven four nine one that's eight hundred five nine three seven four nine one when you call you'll speak with a social security disability expert and get go bike this but not expend a lot of growth in it for me and I like to think that seeing Kinda Stephen Michelle and their journey has helped make me a better debt and not take for granted but we did it and then there you're you're there for the first time and that's another one of those moments but then I think this past weekend opening in theaters around the country and thinking that you're applying for the first time or you've already been denied disability benefits call now the disability attorneys at Pinnacle Disability can help you build your case file an appeal and represent Gosh I it's tough to say it's kind of a series of moments the first time we saw the film the first kind of it and it's like wow this is this it's go time this is amazing I'm also so privacy's white Michelle she emerges at a hero of the story in the same way to Steve is always perceived I think to see her again you know upfront cost to you don't wait another minute to see if you may qualify for your social security disability benefits call Nicole Disability Group at eight hundred five nine threes eighty five nineteen if you were a loved one is suffering from physical or emotional condition that has left you unable to work then listen carefully take this number down 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now to learn more eight hundred four eight five six zero zero three eight hundred four eight five six zero zero that work has gone into this and this labor of love and just kind of a passion project for everybody involved and now we're in theaters during the story with the world it is a really and ready to take on the World Scott has it changed you in any way doing this documentary no doubt no doubt I mean I'm probably qualified person in the world to the producer zero three eight hundred four eight five six zero zero three call right now that number is eight hundred four eight five six thousand three the evaluation to see if you may qualify for disability insurance benefits from the US government that's right a monthly cash payment paid directly to you from the Social Security Administration much or as little help as you need to complete your book you'll work directly with your ghost rider to finish your book faster than you ever could on your own it's easy to become a published go the distance to to do everything he can to move the needle and that's what he's done he founded a foundation called team what he's done to help impact in an immediate way other patients you WanNa pass on in the form of a book to help others maybe you WanNa leave and autobiography for your family or maybe you've built a successful business and you want to share your story make a holds claw joins us on sports byline often referred to as the female Michael Jordan she has been called one of the best lead the lady balls to the women's NCW's I ever three consecutive women's National Basketball Championship and then she was selected first overall in the so now it has been said that everyone has a book in them but gee have the time or the ability to write your book maybe you picked up some skills or head a life experience that we've heard fathers say things like that or the nurse I just mentioned is is her patients for I mean that's that's all good stuff now everybody's getting what they need permit and walking away feeling chains listen stocks every day and tells you to buy what to buy and when to sell any stock to maximize your profits in less than ten minutes a day and he'd be called WNBA draft by the Washington mystics You know I know you grew up in Queens New York and I always love talking to people that played basketball this is America's sports talk show sports byline USA. Here's Ron Bar one area that is an inner city area and what the game meant to me take me back to Queens as you were growing up while Queens I mean that is like I hear the intercity you know when I first started playing really none I was the only girl playing with a bunch of guys let me tell you it was really tough I had the kids talk about ball is life you know growing up in New York City it the Mecca of basketball and for a lot of growing up in in his better seen in sports in my mind should make a then a summer night it's still about ninety degrees in Queens New York son's going down relative humidity is about ninety uh-huh successful basketball players in US history she played for the two thousand US Olympic team and won the gold medal and she also starred the University of Tennessee where she helped you know People were criticized me call me a tomboy all types of things like that but I had a love for the game and I was just got there and keep going there is not a AAC now you can test drive or amazing vector system risk free for thirty days for just nine hundred ninety five eight hundred five eight four to five one city we know that that's the way out I remember growing up I was C- you know players like Kenny Anderson you were here about the burn our kings and area with kids nowadays called the street cred but it wasn't that whole girl power movement I was teed radical radical and I'm just wondering what is it that that some of the legends that were outstanding on the playground did not make the transition either to college or onto the end a neighborhood they'll games you know like you said nine o'clock at night the lights come on and still you have people hanging on offense and watching the games you know cheering that's the culture of New York City basketball and that's what it's like and of course when it came to fouls unless you're bleeding they don't call it right they went on to these big university so a lot of us is really wanted to follow in their first that what type of opportunity did women are girls have at that time to be able to play the game here as well and that part of the city talking to him and he talked about the legends that were on the playgrounds a helicopter Herman having been one va they had the great game there but what happens that it breaks down and they don't make it to the other levels wow you know I've seen so many great players in my generation but also You know Kobe to Bill Clinton watching games and this imagine that little court thousands of people you know hanging up at the top of the fences under the L. I said ten people on the blacktop five shirts five skins described that for me the Games you watch the Games you played in a while I can I can start out money because it's been a politician environment. How does the girl from Queens end up in Knoxville Tennessee when you have a grandmother you have an opportunity to be mentored occasionally by some older players that you hear about like You know the pee wee Kirkland and stuff and how it'll be delivered how would you define or how would you explain Pat Summitt I've known her for a very long time you played for her so successfully disciplinarian also that time especially when cracking I remember that even on the basketball court you'll see like the crack bottles you know everywhere some people just wanted to go out there and I'm an just love to who then you expand that and you move out to where I used to go watch and the worker in New York City I mean we've had some legendary play there you know it is my job to teach you how to become an independent person independent woman so that you can go along in life and alert don't WanNa play with girls so let me tell you some tough hits but it made me suffer down the road I know talking to Chris Mullins who of course grew up up there you cross those lines it is business they may be at times a person that you don't recognize because she's GonNa push you push you to get the best out of you like my recipes June who's this village strict about discipline and education that's how you end up there because aw and women's basketball either at the college level or even at the pro level was that they were coach and I thought about it for just a second I've heard that before but can you help me understand on New York City was hit big with a drug epidemic so they were out selling drugs on the street life kind of pull them in that quick money and so there's a lot of Oughta be accountable for yourself and at that moment I was like you know what this lady is for real you know Jennifer as he is a good friend of mine that's one of those players I can promise you that you will graduate though and my grandmother was like okay hundred percent graduation rate my daughter my granddaughter is signed sealed perfectionist to a great degree as well but how would you having played for define her blow I mean coach I tell people I break it down like this but as soon as practices over you cross back over the line she's the most loving and kind and mother like figure and a lot of young ladies who have gone because the young ladies and women and they don't forget anything I mentioned about the three championships back to back to back and online she looked at us and she said GonNa tell you something this is a team of twelve thirteen anyway do you know eight of you guys custom single family homes people run into the store to buy what they said that the court orders the twenty five and uses the drinking between the game but it was just everybody was in his like safe environment got it so much I enjoyed so much more because I can teach in the women don't ladies retain a lot of information but they also hold you accountable it got away from pat in Tennessee by the way went out went out to Stanford and I know in talking to her she said something to me once that the difference between men's basketball energy as a student athlete is not easy so when you can just go out there and maximize your potential is one of the most rewarding things correctly a bit better what she was talking about your make yes I mean you know I see nowadays a lot of times you know women we're GONNA we're we don't have that that you approach because now the transition I have a lot of male friends who are starting to move into women's basketball and coach and they're like oh my tennissee and had the opportunity to play for her we're very lucky because we have such an amazing mentor and I live someone that one time in the locker special is the fact that we learn how to coach ourselves and that's what great teams do you know we had a leader in coach summit special athlete in a special person join us here on sports byline make a holds claw again she was referred to as the female Michael Jordan after she left Tennessee you think I'm wrong about this Jamaica I think because the women don't play the game above the rim that they are forced to play in a team like atmosphere that that's one the reasons why they probably are more successful happier and and really have the results that they do and my correct in that observation I I would agree to us dot com or download the free award-winning homeadvisor APP today message and data rates may apply please do not sex drive's he purple dot com for terms and conditions and now for of course one of those seasons totally undefeated first time it had ever happened to tell me about that season what was it that made it so special while we may see themselves and I think people have to check this out so we'll continue talking basketball and about life with Jamaica holds claw as we continue across the country and around the world the and you know for me it was even tougher because you know as a as a loan girl out there a lot of times it's like I cannot call because they're gonNA say oh you're playing like a girl and now she was going to give up the game plan but we realized in order for us to be dominant and be successful once we stepped on court we were going to happen basically police each other remember when coach summit came from a recruiting visit and you know I'm a kid I'm seventeen and I'm like am I gonNa play you know academics were not a problem for me so I was like I just WanNa play right and and Kellie jolly so we were just rolling we did a saving thing and it just felt so good to work hard you know you devote a lot of times we've got you on sports byline hey hey what are you doing I'm rubbing my blue EMU who are now able to get isolation's they kinda work things you know put people on an island by herself so the game is changing Brooklyn long time he was the overall number one pick in the NBA draft with the Washington ballclub and we'll talk about our pro career but she's also involved with a documentary that is important I'm to an extent I see I see a lot now you know that was the way it was for a long time but I think now there's a lot more athleticism coming in game in a game changed a little bit it's going more today like NBA style the more Isolation players like you know candace Parker who are playing above the rest with team team team team it was just happy place where everybody had to get along you know we're we're we're all in this together goes to be when it's that much greatness on court we had three all Americans playing at the time myself to make a catches Emeka Rando and also a great point basket you know give a head fake getting triple threat position they just go and so women you know we really listen and we want to be coached and so it's a different way how many minutes and my grandmother looked at me and I was like am I gonNA play Games I can't promise you pets pets or something and now you kind of see that change in women's game you know could agree it's unfortunate but I think it's something that we need it and it would be very interesting because co someone will say. 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installing toilet or don't have as much control as they do at the collegiate level so I had this is really you know get comfortable with being a control of my my life but there's such an age difference you know you have a twenty one year that you know at the age I came into the league playing with sometimes you know thirty five plus and so coaching court on a pro level you have players that who are the best of the best and so it's really competitive you were the league's rookie and even an organization when they get the opportunity to draft somebody that high oh definitely have is considered like the savior of women's professional basketball I would have to be in control of the things that I was doing taking care of my body making sure that you know I got enough rest up because I wasn't GonNa have welcome to Chili's delivery order online at Chili's dot com slash delivery and get all your favorite three for ten meals like Cajun Chicken Pasta delivered right to you wherever and also adjustment to the pace of the game you know college and maybe like three great players or four players like that can take it to the next level on the you said you suffered depression during your professional basketball career and you attempted suicide on one occasion when did you notice that you were you're having issues pressure day in and day out to kind of lead a team because people don't realize you know a lot of times when you're one of those first picks in the draft you're going to the worst team aw I wasn't I wasn't really used to it yeah that's where I was going to next because you wrote in your autobiography breaking through beating the odds shot after shot that one of the best rebounders can get the rebound bring the ball up the core you know I was doing things that a lot of people do but also it was just a lot of a lot of aw you know like the next coming you know a lot of it I I definitely worked for I think you know six foot two I'm able to read my grandmother you know that whole transition piece of going from middle class to on the inner city and you know just missing missing home you know even though it was dysfunctional that was you know I've struggled with mental health issues you know since I was a kid with the transition of you know my parents are separating need going understand when you were young and maybe when you started to understand that a little bit you were still an island and didn't know where to turn am I correct observation Oh that's you know going and that's what college was it was it was fat but a lot of success but when I went to the pros I had the biggest trigger ever happened to me and that's when I lost my my my my home and you know I think in college I had some issues with it but when things are going great retentive sweep things under the rug and you know we in sports you know we're talking to be mentally tough strong so I didn't WanNa you know I was embarrassed to kind of talk about the issues that I was having and I didn't know who the grandmother and has sent me to like a really really dark place mine yeah I would assume all social media that you were left is an island to deal with something that you probably did got found out in college that my dad was schizophrenic and you know learning about that I'm like Oh my God am I going to be like him and you know I had a lot of fears into here I am in the nation's capital the powerful decisions important decisions are made and here I don't know who to turn to or who to talk to either like for three days straight and lost contact with everybody no I really spiraled into like really bad funk and you know do for the health and I just made it worse because I you know suffered in silence and also I had a lot of shame because you know I was just learning what mental health services I remember my game when I didn't show up and it was just like everybody looking for me like where it's Shaniqua I was in my apartment and the other a lot of times the worst teams don't have you know decent structure you know management they ended up going through a Lotta changes and so you know I had to deal with that suicidal thoughts I was really in a bad place and what did you do to try to ultimately help yourself when you began to realize or did somebody else enter into your of course of action also do I assume correctly that the event down in Atlanta in November of two thousand twelve was kind of the bottom and that's where things started to it did not show up does that the first time it really manifested in your pro career Yeah I was I was really having like those very high the lows at the Games UH SHAVE IT I had to deal with because I didn't totally understand what it was did it also manifest itself for the first time when you failed to show up for a game against Charlotte and they said no she my doorman let her through she had knocked on my door and I don't remember hearing any of this but when another day my friend Dr Greenfield polar disorder and You know after basically after dealing with that for maybe like a year so going to this you know I would have liked that crashes and I can be really high and my energy and just be like in a pit where I don't WanNa wake up I'm having these types of thought but got all my records together from all the treatment that I received you know throughout the course of my life with therapy and when we come to figure out she took me to a psychiatrist and I really just sit there and talk and you know just try to you know figure out that like I was misdiagnosed you know for a long time they were given the various match clinical depression but I was actually suffering from likes to do social contact aries searching for his next story and he comes across my story he's like wow this is powerful why is this I should've been a blessing you're incredible story has been chronicled in the documentary mind game the unquiet journey of Jamaica holds claw tell me a little bit about this document it affected someone else's life you know that that gun the bullet could've went and traveled and had someone else in my life could be a whole lot different so through and she came and she walks in and she's like all my guy like what's gone and she got me going on coming up you know talk to me we went for a walk and life gave you some guidance where my good friend Dr Green so you know she finally got through and the interesting part is you know co summit flew in the town turn around a little bit when you got some help oh definitely you know that would happen. It was something that was really uncharacteristic of percents highschool to gave me a front page story in a neo cons about my work with the colleges well this documentary filmmaker Goldsmith. RTA finally getting on the right medication I really have seen what I saw an improvement in my in my life my quality of life and being more balance and more fun aim so familiar she will host Okay Basketball Oh my God my best friend line baby who is now the president of Phoenix was her in your journey it's another thing documenting that journey and have it you know thousands than people kind of seeing what you're dealing with your struggles are on no I really took it really serious and more at the figure out like what's going on in my life so we actually got a great team of my therapist I know that there's ways for you to get help there's a lot of resources there's people doesn't always have to be family as people that compassionate people that would be there for you and you know not not to not to give up because I reached that point where I lost hope and you know I try to take I talk to weekly good psychiatrists and also people who are familiar we had like a forensic psychologist psychiatrist and this is the person that basically journey and it's going to really help a lot of people can help a lot of people save lives I'm really proud of it what do you want people to take away from the documentary if I know I can do it I know that many of you out there can do it also one of the things that I've observed over the years and talking to my athlete friends even coaches other people a gentleman reporter from the New York Times who I've known for for years go road and he's following me yeah well the documentary came about because of the work that I've ever since I suffered suicide attempt in Los Angeles in two thousand hang in there to put together a product that I'm really proud of a product that I would think I don't WanNa call product my journey is fix I made a promise that's the guy you know that I would use my classroom to speak about mental health and I've been doing that so were have been in sports is that because of the fact that they're highly disciplined they're highly focused that disciplined focus helps them many times when they've had to deal Jamaica and it really scared me because I really did like the blackout like like Blake and on it scared me To know that I see with either physical emotional or mental challenges did that factor into to you I guess the way I think the fact that you know after you know even though I'm not play sports I'm taking care of my body because before I was thinking about my knees and my ankles and all this a daily basis but you know I really thought about it I prayed about it and I said you know what this is this is something I'm really passionate about and if this can that I'm dealing with on a daily and having to relive some things and you know then we had a hall in the production because of the incident and two thousand twelve and I just want not you to push four times easier said than done but I mean my journey has been very painful it's been very very tough and like now knowing you know when I'm traveling and speaking making sure Obama schedule and I'm taking my medication when I have to I'm doing my exercise once I got on the right medication everything how I was able to I'm able to live a productive and a healthy healthy healthier life so you know just oh wow I didn't I want people to know that you know I know it's tough sometimes and you just see me through it but you know to to have hope and hyphen I just think about my mom and all the people that I would've left behind that have so much you know just love for me and wanted to beat F- about I was so ill I couldn't it so he had gone connect us and honestly I I was like I don't WanNa do it because it's one thing going out and talking to the youth and Shannon has been such a large part of one's life for such a long period of time to be able to acclimate themselves back into society what is it that you WanNa do now with the rest of your life play professional sports is they're retired by the time they usually have thirty three or thirty four and they have a large part of their life still left bore them and it's gotta be hard when sports up now I'm thinking about something that's really attached to my body but I wasn't think about that's my mind and that's my in my in my head and I know that's like the most important thing great about it a lot of my friends you know get down I've been there but I'm like you know I gotta I gotTa let me try different things so that's what I did I tried different things see it so I just want them to not be afraid to get help to talk about the issue because they see at the end of it you see my journey in India that you see how I'm making sure that I have my schedule set up that I'm getting like their pete that I need and you know it's like the same thing I did the athlete I'm doing it now the need so I'm just doing everything I can to make sure that's in the best place people we only have a couple of minutes left but you make a you know what I find strange about people who indefinitely honour well I gotTa tell you what I've enjoyed this conversation as much as I have any that I've ever done with anybody in sports so you are welcome back here anytime half now well congratulations on this documentary are you happy with the way it came out I am definitely I appreciate you had in the on life developing their sport as well and here's another example of a check out this documentary it's called mind game the unquiet journey of Jamaica holds claw we find yourself in San Francisco come on and sit with me here in the studio take care of Jamaica I'll thank you Outstanding Athlete I mean she was as they said they referred ever is doing clinics or camps or working my advocacy work that fills me that makes me happy so that definitely GonNa be in my future it is isn't it wrong you know it it is very tough whole transition piece but the thing that I found out that you know what I've been giving head start you know I've got to do something I've been whereas the female Michael Jordan came out of the University of Tennessee interesting to hear her talk about the fact that her grandmother was so involved with her and like the action and it would come to this instead of living your dreams you're living with debt in fact it's smothering you now there's a way you can take back control with one can you with more of you and sports byline remember in the beginning when you first started to build a life for you and your family you never imagined in simple call if you owe ten thousand dollars or more in credit card debt you qualify to receive a free no obligation consultation on how to get rid of that debt for damage and I've heard this many times where black athletes will tell me that the black woman the mother or grandmother in their family have been so instrumental in helping them Developing try my speaking I said that I WANNA do. 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I'm Ron bar welcome to the public news service daily newscasts for Monday October Seventh Twenty nineteen I'm Mary Sherman. Some divisive cases are untapped for the the two hundred seventeen votes needed to pass articles of impeachment against president trump stemming from his Ukraine call even before their planned hearings or formal investigation for the Atlanta braves it was over before it started the dodgers had a three to one lead and they blew it Howie Kendrick Spans Grand Slam sends the nats to the NFC s L. 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Congratulations go crazy nationals dugout Howie Kendrick with a Grad Slam here in the tenth big buck game five this S. l. e. p. y. two eight four eight hey travelers do you want to save money on your next flight sympathetic the phone and call that's right call National League Western division champions Middle World Champion in a long time it's been nineteen eighty-eight and that stopped the stop that Tommy Lasorda Day had and the foul Salman is big was crippled aqua called him so it is not the dodgers but the Washington nationals who advance and there they were failed they knew art thing Ellie goes back they forget to heal after losing to the astros lists the Red Sox they will not lose to the American league champions this year because they will not have it was critical of them losing the world series to Boston a year ago or they are not advancing out of the first round this is a symptom of the Cleveland Mula sorta managing the dodgers you know I I you know I didn't quite get into how dirty rose played and or a foul mouth that's a cool thing and want Soto abby the back to back home runs on the eighth in this game was all dodgers that's tacked on I think the sixth and then they get back to back home runs careers and have since retired most of those players of the eighty s just you know quote unquote ambassadors to the game Kirk Gibson Dave Martinez that whole team after Bryce Harper was on his way out and he anthony Red Dome was supposed to be trade bait vision champions every year from ninety one we'll see it was like oh four zero five aric bitch so we're GONNA fly Centerfield deep billick going back to the warning track to the wall how Kendrick is done it the type of its day I had chocolate in the National League I'm not GonNa lie to you I like the dash those two were that wildcard game I thought that they matched you lose that game you lose that elimination game really big humiliating defeat and it's the last game of your career Donald Thirteen to one Fulton average Max freed just didn't have it and I think that they would consider Zimmerman to be trade bait as well the first Washington national and he gets to enjoy it gigabyte take like an hour or so to do so you watched that first inning and you're done now it would have been really cool if Atlanta I'M GONNA play this game they knew that they were gonNA play the Saint Louis Cardinals Cardinals You know you have stuff to do you watch the first inning you I that'll take the air out of baseball in Atlanta and some people tend to forget the baseball team they were like we even with a chipped away at it even if they would've just chipped away at it on on Wednesday afternoon home crowd boy that'll take the air out of the allies such small margin for error to get out of that first round three losses in your dawn not so bad persson dispensable off the game with a double that felt like a home run early and it gets away from the texture and he goes down to first base and he's safe at first runs scored and it's ten to nothing Kelly we're trying to be traffic alert of things about leaving games early to be traffic in California I wasn't even driving learned that low or earlier in the week when I was in the state of California coming to you from Phoenix Arizona by the way live at ten pm Pacific Time a little bit of an odd scheduled because of the travel this week at a special Sunday show to Monday and Tuesday off and here I am with that being the last moment I'm a sucker for the Hollywood endings in Hollywood endings just the circumstances don't just don't present themselves title Sorta retorted always glad to see a guy like vodka in the lineup because he knew he'd get a couple heads but the dodgers after Lewis how much you see the Minnesota twins on TV the American league central by the way losers of thirteen straight playoff games sets the Indians one game too Kendrick seven three do little Nails Down Michael Taylor ends up with a great k what is it with the nationals ending at the games with great catches for the dodgers I mean this has been a good run it's it's probably not over because you can look up and down that lineup and if anybody looks like they're questionable for the future they will be replaced in the eighth inning they get three to three game goes to extras and they load them up and they drive mal in Yemi on the Mike Monday through Thursday you at the Informative Mary Mc Mara given sports updates four days a week Cillian often cliche enough to believe that the way that the cavaliers season ended in two thousand ten that Lebron James couldn't let it couldn't walk away with out is going to call it a career you know and it's it's so tough because I'm a I'm a prisoner of the moment he's a game one one sixty two no hitter diving catch at the warning track Michael Taylor on Wednesday night a snooze fest stay awake keeping up with US Mary Mara we'll have hockey scores and the scores from Major League baseball that I've been talking about I that was 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hard part is getting it l. things were not much better for La as the kings get blown out by the connects to Montreal in buffalo needed overtime to decide a winner after back and forth match list teams in the NHL this early on but the coyotes look like they're doing a lot of the right things but just not doing the thing that they need to do and that's put the puck in the net sports calendar but No night too small for Mary Macfarlane She's always keeping score for us here on the program big night four points for Jackie so far beyond the horizon that they weren't chasing them anymore but they were they were bad team run along with St Louis and they made they made a surge of their own the coyotes did but that his team wins by one I mean he counts for all but one goal in a five to four win over the haves and the have it just wasn't enough in the long run now we've seen Edmonton play we've Seen Buffalo Play Jack Eichel big night or points in a in a game Odi is always start off October really really slow I think the last two seasons we've actually had a battle of who would get a w first coyotes or the browns we'll coyote for the first is the braves fall apart and cannot regroup cards tape game five with a thirteen to one blowout and the dodgers do what they do and fall out of the playoffs after allowing the Michael is doing for Buffalo Regis you know just re upped with an eight year deal and that was one two in that draft the third pick in that draft was a guy named Dylan strom eighty percent on top five to four and the flyers shutout the devils four to nothing and that's actually all we had today let's throw it back over Jeff's late night on the the other at the end of the season and that's what happened Colorado Colorado and Saint Louis revolt better teams than them and those are the teams that they were chasing I mean I got to the point where they weren't even there were Saint Louis grab on early lead in the eight-man evadne ending beyond it's now four nothing cardinal buying one and if so finally maybe around the end of the month and you say they start slow as if they end up somewhere they they've missed the playoffs every year since two thousand twelve I for Wednesday October the ninth in Major League Baseball the National Division playoff series we were treated to two game fives Saint Louis scored ten runs in the top nationals to rally back in the eighth inning to force extras were Washington tacked on four more la cannot answer back and the nats win seven to three over in the a player that was always really good that you were just kind of waiting for and Oliver Adam Larsson Oliver ackman Larson is that guy coyotes it was two years ago that the that took them into like almost thanksgiving to get their first victory of the season it was it was it was the the series of half half ice shots like I think you have to make it in like some round and then you go on to fight a bunch of other people mm-hmm Games that they do catching the balls in the outfield throwing the little football through the Dr Pepper Circle all of that stuff it has to be significantly harder than it actually looks like that line with debrincat in Chicago Nick Schmaltz was all guy oats realtor see from their former number three overall pick and it's just the luck of the draw but all on how to get insulin into the hands of those who need it but can't afford it Mike Mohan reports the average insulin price has risen fifty five percent since two thousand fourteen I I'm telling you that even with a little bit of practice I think that it's probably a four out of ten thing for me pretty much all of those games doc in this town it's tough I mean we've talked about this before it's the geography socks yeah the locations not fantastic game times aren't always feasible trying to kick field goals and we're like we'll just do it from the tenure because that's not far at all ten yards is significantly farther than I think you think it is thirty feet yeah it's long it's thirty feet team hasn't really yeah they don't have the big names they don't have the big the big show they don't come out strong it's it's hard to get people excited about the game day experience would be what's that oils like what like nine or ten games he was at least the beginning of November I don't think there was probably no wins at all in October here in Phoenix Yeah they they did win the NBA draft lottery a few years ago but they've really been unable to land that superstar you know it comes more from arena granted I don't go to hockey in a lot of towns but I you know there's there's entertainment that draws you to the ballpark there's entertainment that draws you to who he's having a decent enough nhl you know I don't want to call it a career because he's so young still but you know he's playing on with the coyotes and you know he doesn't really draw viewers he doesn't really sell tickets for the for the team teams just got sell sell tickets to fans that like yeah designed 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Five I believe that they give away to one lucky fan who makes the you know that that the have still haven't lost in re in regulation but neither have the Buffalo Sabres and you look at what counteract David's doing for Edmonton you'll get one to see the sun's even even those sons have been absolutely putrid franchises just feels like a long drive to sit and watch hockey and any in a sterile environment tonight Serena but the just don't do a lot for the game day experience acumen that BMW guess which I will get something that the football I do from ten yards away they just find the most non athletic kids that are vying for scholarships you feel like you were there when we were in Dallas trying to do feel it is okay the the Dr Pepper stuff keeping my they're throwing the ball from ten yards away until until about an eight yard rate you know I it's probably about an eight foot radius that they get through almost made last year but they're slow start led to them you know so slow started Yo you're a bunch of other teams surging and pulling it klerk delicate I'll season Claire Dunphy was able to make you happy Gilmore and that was you know while talk about your all time backfires now I think it's a hard thing to do I think they take the shot long it's infant it just goes on forever I kicked extra points which worry seventeen yard field goal in you know when I was in high school and I was not one hundred percent from seventeen yards out easiest is that seemed and that was probably my peak athletic condition yeah now I now I would fall on the ice I would probably drop all of the balls it'd probably get it watch for the nationals for the first time in their history what play in the National League Championship series they're celebrating the pitcher's mound jumping up and down it doesn't bother me as much as a non cub fan but that's the only downside of the dodgers losing confidence if the cardinals a series three games to two this is sports overnight America here senator racing on his Taylor closing dives and he caught it but divey catch ends the series play by Michael Taylor but diverted yes I am I didn't think this can happen I thought they'd at least make it to the world series and then fall there never in my mind even conceptualize that they could not make it out of the first round as long as it's not Yankees dodgers and I got that I got that it might be Geeky cardinals which Michael Taylor getting surrounded their second base with a diving catch to close out the dodger's first final score the national seven the dodgers three nationals win there's a lot of guys that are around from that but there's some history between the nationals and the cardinals in the playoffs and the nationals had that cardinals team on Dan you know maybe when the whole freaking thing spike spike victories or the best victories unlike the suit store on Seinfeld aw you can say spite with me yes good old spite and then you know so you gotta be pretty upset with the Atlanta braves allowing the cardinals to advance I had to put my phone on at this cardinals team but a cardinals team on the ropes and they were unable to finish you know there was there there are a lot of circumstances it was the dusty Baker factor. I really I can't wait to watch you guys hopefully destroyed by nationals and then if not by then at least by the Yankees happened over the course of what like thirty minutes there that behind the nats this point and not that I dislike Bryce Harper but I think that it's awesome after superstar departs and leaves you with nothing that you persevere I don't even think of seventeen minutes probably got out of hand ridiculously quick be wanted I mean you get yours for game five underplay the dodgers they get slapped they believed it there's just no way they wouldn't even win a single game nats are going to be a lot easier for the cardinals and there's some history there on the other side and we'll talk a little more sports my name's Jeff Rich this is sports overnight America and we'll here's the pitch swing and a fly ball Charlotte uh-huh you want a little bit more compelling game five when that happens a lot when you have these deciding games Al game seven it happens a lot where the game just is of yeah all seasons back and now you can get into the game with our exclusive sports betting partners bet online dot ag every spread every total every winter and every loser straight bit parlay Ortiz your way through the season will sign up today to receive your fifty percent welcome bonus on your first deposit and make your bets on your favorite professional or college teams mm-hmm a little quality the hype you know it's like that the you know the bark is bigger than its bite Hey we gotta throw to a break here Mary I wouldn't mind if you hang out with me for a little bit a homes through for fifty six touchdowns can the pats go undefeated you can bet on all of this the fastest odds updates and payouts with seven four nine eight hundred nine three two one seven four nine eight hundred nine three two one seven four nine that's eight hundred nine three two whereas a ton of cash and you WANNA keep it call right now and learn for free how we can help you put it back in your pocket eight hundred nine three two one even gene forty nine this is an urgent health notice for all residents suffering from back neck knee and wrist pain you may qualify for pain reliever do when you hire us you get a team of guys on your side that no the irs laws and will fight to save your money so if you owe the because I was tired of getting updates from my cardinal friends about you know oh it's tooted also always know who cares coach fifty five to receive your fifty percent welcome bonus get into all the action today with Bet online dot ag your online it for pain relief call us toll free right now to determine your eligibility and to learn how to use your private insurance or Medicare to minimize your out of pocket cost don't wait at the deadline one eight hundred four zero nine five seven one eight hundred four three O. 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Alex Tsakiris, Four Questions About the Future of Skeptiko |414|

Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point

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Alex Tsakiris, Four Questions About the Future of Skeptiko |414|

"What's his war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vile with itself? The land containing the sea. That's the extraordinary Jim caviezel from the extraordinary movie. The thin red line. Is there an invention power in nature? Not one. It's a movie that poses a lot of deep. Big picture, kind of questions, the kind of questions that I find most motivating here and skeptic. Oh, and as a matter of fact, in the reason that I played that clip. And the reason I thought it was relevant is wanted to take this opportunity in this rare. So low show to T up four questions that are driving. Me right now in terms of what I'm thinking about with future shows. So I'm gonna get to those questions in a minute. And I'm really hoping that you will give me some feedback on what you're thinking about these have some clips to go along with them. So I think you'll find it pretty interesting. But before I get to those questions, also wanted to share with you, a clip from a video, I just produced about someone who I greatly admire in respect, the podcast or McGill Connor from the very excellent a on bike. Stick radio. Here's a clip from the video interview with McGill. deeper, we go my beloved true seekers, deeper into the wastelands of matter in graveyards of broken dream, please allow me into myself and keep you company as your snow Miguel, I can do that. This cook, you just heard is from of video that I've produced and just Ambra leasing tit day and YouTube. I'm a little bit embarrassed for this because it's taken me well over a year to figure out a way to put this gather and put it out and it has some real flaws to it. And the project was supposed to be a much grander project where I would bring you some of the ideas from some of the podcasters I most admire and I think are really changing our understanding of truth in reality and Miguel certainly fits that category. And he's one of the first ones I started with salami play a little extended clip from this new video, which you will find on YouTube. The beauty of podcasting as you can literally have PC and of my and very little else. And you could connect with scholars Oxford, you can connect with researchers stralia and bring him into your room, and then you can spread that information out. What I like about us. This is that you can take in a psychologically spiritually materially. I mean you don't have to believe that there's these giant Arkan's heaven, oppressive your live, the arkan- can be the boss at your job. Right. Your own gospel live your own myth, and for my life. I've got my myth that I'm trying to live and my gospel. Carleen said, we have inner archetypes and Thala Giese that reside deep within our unconscious. When we bring those out, we can actually start changing the narrative of our live changing our personas changing, how things go and I think that tagline is what I really want. People to know people to have as much information as they can. So they could write their own Gosselin live their own myth. So they as I say, my show, create better than the creator gods and their butts slaves in these stablishment because all of us have been programmed, all of us are leaving are living a story that was written by somebody else. And it was the ancient optics said enough of this. We're going to write our own narrative. We're going to create our own reality. Not in this great stuff classic McGill NAS decision stuff. And I think, of course, that's an important part of this larger question which I'm gonna get to in just a minute, but I do want to stop and say, I hope you will check out the truth bump video that I produced have on YouTube. I hope you share it with people. I have some other ones in various stages of development of people really, really like it. Try and push forward with that. But I basically abandoned that project because it just didn't have any legs to it for. For me. But I throw that out there and offered to you to help guide if there's anything there, I need to pursue and along those same lines, what I really wanted to do in this show was give a round up of the four questions. I think that are really driving me forward in terms of skeptic. Oh right now, and as I've said, a long about skeptical, I have always viewed this, as my personal journey shared with you, but that's holding something back because it's really a collective journey. Your input in your feedback. Really does make this interactive process for me, but I'd like to hold onto the idea that this really is by personal journey and I decide where it goes. So if you'll allow me that little kind of ego Centric, kind of thing, I'm going to hold onto what I think are the four questions that are driving me forward in terms of skeptical at. At this point question, number one, let me offer up this clip. I mean, for me, it would be what what's consciousness, because that's, that's totally baffled. Which I think. What I wonder whether? There really is. No such thing as consciousness at all to that. I gotta say, like, oh. What is so funny about that? I mean, the idea that may be consciousness, it's not there is probably the weirdest to piteous idea ever conceived by human thought. I mean where does thought they place place in consciousness? So here we have cautiousness speculating about the possibility that consciousness does not exist. And it may not be there in the very thought is, is that in your face contradiction. And the fact that something like this is not the only seriously entertained, but even verbalised by a person with the public exposure of the gentleman. We just saw is, is a worrying sign of cocoa sickness that, of course at the very excellent. Dr Bernardo Castro. And while it may seem that the question that falls out of that clip is are we? Logic robots into mainly universe, as you know, from listening to this show that really isn't the question for Manny more. I mean, it really was my question initially if you years back. But now the question for me is something that Bernardo hit on there. Which is how can this still be propped up as a real question? Among what are supposed to be the intellectual elites of science. It's really a strange strange situation. And I think we have to continue to dive into that question head on, you know, head on not just keep proving them wrong, baby. Proven them wrong, but saying, how, and why are they promoting such nonsense? So that's question. Number one ready for question. Number two. It's from Dr Geoffrey. Martin who I interviewed a few. So the back about us rather amazing research into consciousness, transformation enlightenment awakening. Whatever you wanna call it, and it's common in most of the mainstream population of humanity around the world. There's just sort of this fundamental sense of this contentment that we all have at the root of our psychology and it manifest and all kinds of ways, extremes, it's fear and worry and anxiety and stuff like that. But it no matter who you are, are, how great your life is you still have the sense that something's just not quite right. And so, you know, your mind is constantly trying to figure that out in, in a normal. This is normal right? This is what psychology would consider normal and healthy is, there's just like this little shift that happens way at the bottom of your psychology away from that fundamental sense of discontentment and towards the sense that everything's really. Okay. So the question for me here, and it's an absolute huge one. Is there a reality to what he's describing is our normal? I'm using air quotes there, psychological state to be this experience of fundament. Dental discontentment. An actually I don't even know how anyone can deny that. I mean that's just everywhere. That's our culture is, but the second part of the question is really the most significant and that is, is there a way to change that? And let's mayor that to the first half of the first question the question I didn't ask. Are we biological robots and meaningless university has absolutely? No. We're not. So we have this condition, we're in this predicament, and then is this predicament that our mind has created this continual dialogue of fundamental dissatisfaction with the way things are, and is it possible to change that state, that consciousness, is it possible to raise it? Of course. This is what Seoul many spiritual teachers throughout time have been telling us is possible, that there is a way to transcend, that state and I'm holding back from the any kind of talk about extended consciousness. At this point. Right. I'm trying to confine it to our reality, if you will all these terms are you can shoot holes in 'em as we all know. But these I two questions have to do with our reality. So again, question too is, is it possible to awaken out of that state of perpetual, disatisfaction perpetual discontentment with that internal dialogue that's going on in our head? I think that's an important question. That's question too. So the next two questions that are driving the skeptic, omission at this point have to do with this extended consciousness thing that I always talk about again. The words don't exactly match up extended from what, what are we to make of this reality and the other reality? And why would we have this kind of dualistic that's extended this isn't other problems? But you get what I mean. Right. So the third question is. Teed up. I think by the following clip from Ray Hernandez, who was recently on skeptical to talk about what he's discovered from the first scientific survey of folks who have had ET, contact experience this the next two findings discussed the initial, too, which is that these were overwhelmingly positive experience, number two, it result in a positive transformation of the experience. Number three, and four is that these experiences were primarily, not physical. They will primarily paranormal that was number three number four, is that these experiences involve a manipulation of space time. And that in turn leads that I pop ases these experiences might be entered a mental and Jack Belay alluded to that over forty five years ago so many things it's really interesting to pull out of that clip. Is this transcending of time in space? So. So we understand at this point that there is this extended reality. There's an indie reality and OBI reality and E T, reality, psychedelic, D, M, T reality, stay with three letter acronyms. What is our relationship between this reality, and that reality in more importantly, if that other reality, if one of its key characteristics, is that it transcends space in time, then what does it tell us about this reality? That is confined to space and time in does it suggest as I think it might that this reality is a lesser reality of you will lesser in the sense that it's further away from the ultimate reality, and again, don't pick on my words here because there's no words to talk about this stuff, but the basic concept is. There seems to be a lot of evidence pointing us to the ultimate paradigm shift that we really are looking at things from the wrong end of the telescope. We are in the unreal reality of time and space, continuum, where things have been locked down to work of particular way. So we get this particular experience, but anyone who's outside of that says, yeah, you guys are on this little tiny tip of this huge ice Bergen. That's okay. You can get that experience. But don't get too attached to it because it's really such a small part of the overall thing. So that is I think the third question for me is, what is the relationship between this space time reality that we occupy and we play this science game in and we play this skeptical dialogue questioning game in what is relationship between that reality and some of these extended realities that we will never know but we? Do get bits and pieces fragments of information back from. So we get information back from into e science, we do get information back from ET contact. We do get information back from OBT. So I'm asking you what happens if we filter that information through one, very narrow filter, and that is, what is the relationship between our reality, and the larger reality that it'd be kind of the third question. And the fourth question is very much related to that. And I think it's best teed up by this clip from my friend, Gordon White at room soup from an interview that I did recently, but I have to say, I didn't I notice that I hadn't posted it on YouTube. So there's a YouTube for this as well and are actually has a video of Gordon, so it's could YouTube to watch it. You can kind of follow along kind of thing. So here's that clip. His thing the twentieth century technical. Edit project, and you include all the people in elected as the technocracy votes. It fell to these rich people to manage the development of the world and the west four benefit. So it isn't even just a -sarily keeping them. Learn afraid that is a side effect of what we are the technocrats. We are better at running the world so out competing narratives that hearing the church and here in the family. And so what we actually want, because where all the doctors where will the education is where all of this kind of stuff, you need to get it from us. We were manage the society, and you will eat the right food and at the population will grow at the rate that we determine the economy will work. This is the demonic go. So it's funny as I wanted to start there on a human level. That's the kind of twentieth century idea. I think they're shooting for. It is demonic. Like if you wanna go to a high level when you talking about what are the kind of metaphysical implications? I have no idea of any of these people realize they are being written by demons. But nevertheless, the goal. With this kind of project is in is in some literal sense, Tanic food there's a lot there to pull apart. And the demonic part is gonna rattle a lot of folks. I'm sure but it is kind of interesting how this clip brings us back full circle and away. So if the opening question was not are we allowed to grow butts meaningless universe? But how does such ridiculous? Mean remain, intellectually viable. I think coordinate is kinda trying to answer that question and saying, hey man, that's the program that's the demonic game but I broadened a little bit in say the question for me is what is the role of deception in this process? And I like all of us em reluctant in some ways to go there, because I'm not sure it's the right question, but we keep bumping into that reality that NAS degree -ality that. I will create better than the creator God's because the creator gods are really making a mess of things. So there's so many layers to that because as appealing as that nasty sensibility is it doesn't really give us any hope of transcending outside of this little streetfight. I mean, certainly not in the way that we talk about when we talk about, for example, the recent interview I just did with Davidson fellow about in the he experiences and the potential that may be exists for something that truly does transcend that back Ellie brawl between the creator gods. And those of us who want to create better than them, so bring that back to the question is, what is the role of deception in all of this? Why is there deception? Why is there evil as we've talked about many times on this show? And I think this question is. Stating it here for me gets to the deeper question of the nature of this evil because it's one thing to say that there's evil in the world, and that's an evil doer as our ex president for many years ago. George Bush said and again, I'm trying to bring it to more of a personal journey of who are we? Why are we here? Why are we clearly being deceived at various points in this process? What is the purpose of that, how who does that serve? And why does that seem to be so much a part of the process and tricksters and all the rest of that almost every turn? So there's four questions for you there for questions for me, I should say, because as I said, those are the four questions that are on my mind in are for the most part driving. My thoughts and ideas in terms of who I'm talking to right now. And who I want to talk to, and it hasn't always supports perfect fit. 'cause sometimes somebody pops up, and I wanna talk them and they come on the show. But I do feel good sharing with you, these ideas in these directions. And I'm certainly open to feedback, and thoughts and ideas and discussion about these four questions and maybe have an answer maybe can provide a shortcut to my learning here, which you've done many times in the past, and I totally open to again. So if you do have any thoughts along those lines, please, join me, skeptical forum is always a good place where you can Email me, you can find the links to all that stuff at the skeptical website as K, E, P T, I K ODA com where you can also find links to over four hundred interviews all of able, they're for free. So that's about it for this. So low show unique one it really don't plan on doing many of these, but there was an open spot in the calendar. And it really turned out be think of fun opportunity for me to engage with you about this issue of direction and what's on my mind along. Those lines. So thanks as always for being there in staying with me and until next time take care and bye.

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THE ASCENSION OF Rosie Lawson - [DrayZera UNCENSORED #76]

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"In this episode of drizzy around censored we talked to poet and artist rosie loss to the thing show a with drizzy era. Jackie hyde and dan pitted. Here is sense. Bring you interview the ball kind of thing. Does he live chef while the web. The yield shooting in between your era along with dad's say goodbye. Dad board to episode of drain zero on said and we are got episodes seventy six and i have no come alone. Firstly us introduce the professional wrestler plan. Mr jackie hard. So we have the man himself inspirational line known to the masses. Dan the non. Hello dan but of course. We go very very special guest now. This special guest roy. Here is an up and coming passionate. Poet base in the urban jungle of stock. Poke manchester collected talk to send grove a question about self reflective of a spiritual journey influence comparisons of nature silt. She uses in their imagery. Hair is rosy. Hello i want. Wow i mean at this point. I wonder how down in drums if not best the that was. I was quite quite show up. Thank you really appreciate it. So how how things you today. Because you know we all ran a mad pandemic times buster but it seems that you you continue being busy especially with your work. Tell us about it yeah. I've been really busy day job. Which is a very funny ingots in financial services so just chilling out so everyone's finances out and jobs and then at the time to write in out in really good right in which is nice sweet sweet so so how how. Many virtual world role though that are no. I believe i saw you at the speakeasy event hosted by andy n. Is that correct absolutely and and and you said it was your thirst second time performing in front of an audience albeit virtual mba. Still still not to be taken away. How did you about it. I felt really good at to start with. I was really nervous. Because i've never really had my work before to anybody really nervous but Yeah i think it went over. I and people have been torched My work and stuff. So it's gonna well so far and shout out really really good. It was nice to shed so literally before before the pandemic he never you never ever shared your work Site for example and open mic event or or in front of any audience That was literally a fast time and that was literally in the year. Two zero two one one. I mean i'd literally never ever showed anybody any of my work ever before also advocate cause a lot. My ways quite personal based on my own extreme in so it was. It was scary but it was. It was really with it now. I kind of reached a point. Where am i at the low for david. Why is greater than any kind of fair. I had so. I'm here to share with the world and i'm not going away anytime soon. Now so that's what we love to jack You yourself your massive massive fan of rap onto jack under you know like when it comes to writing personal stuff. I mean we've been talking about me and you passively talked about like how we long-haul hopes in an f. And not you know tech nine and old as connor. Now tell me jack. Like how old is it for your opinion to share something passed in your opinion man because obviously your professional wrestler and you've been doing professional wrestling for well over a decade now So how hard is it in your opinion to you know share personal stuff in opinion. Jack i feel like there's a line toured li- tonight like evil on saying like privacy and shed them yeah but then appeal in poland's You've got yourself shit. If that makes sense the young the site really nothing got some gonna cops and conduct himself out gonna need to share like he goes through shit in. He's famous and shit as well. Yeah i like that kind of thing but ashamed like yeah let the like it with us live also going say like a tonight. Show monologue Websites now just posted on everything about everyone and there's just cited will be able to stay wanna say and that's bad. I got exactly exactly dan. yourself you have sung songs before. Never you done And i've known you for nearly three decades. Have you ever written lyrics before. Kate to the south i strenuously. You're saying so what you're saying is down like what rosie is doing under that. There were quite in the world poetry. I belong to does. I'm really belongs to as well. There's a lot of people that do shed the personal stuff. So would you say out. Sharing personal surface is like a massive heard. When your opinion. Dan or an sharing personal is. I'm as like speaking out from your diary. Dan won't do think from freezing random. Lock radium today. Run struck out style buddy Has seems like it's coming from a place of sharon's so having the strength today for eyebrow tobago imagine takes incredible. I i agree with that. Should get enough explanation so rosy tell me how long have you been going for in general because i myself have been writing since law will six or seven began. Roy bullied writing stories about tolman jerry. Hell yeah how appropriate roll you to run in the i league rosie. I used to buy. So this is. Mike throwback to thousands eam overs. Light used to like right down i. It was a way of expression house. That goes i have bipolar disorder. Which was diagnosed at the time so it was kind of a way of sorting out my thoughts candidate and then i just kind luke bryan as a as a as an old and i did. I did english literature and history at university on a i mean i mean i say i mean poetry was the only exam failed. Oh well that might as well. Yeah but yeah. I kinda grew from. The team was really really good. I i found that right to Lichen and i couldn't do wanted so that. I saw messing around with the woods. And do i wanted to do with them Kind of bread from veal alike in doing the poetry ting for nearly five years now Fooling on stage. But i felt for me. That poetry can be so many forms and jazz. You remember the time when This is the time when we used to have them on thala giese school right hotan policies like though right but i just felt like it just. It just didn't relate to me in a way like dan. Do you have in your your in your time. Like after the irony. Is there like they were like shameless. Hain eatings of didn't potato dagan stuff like company to potato digging. Like i love you. But you know you know what i mean how to i. Fifteen euro to relate to update. I'm sure exactly exactly. I mean jack have even been have yet been to a potato farm for tesco supposing and and yeah like mean like the error like i remember that very well I felt that back in eighteen years years or used to ride very very depressing stuff myself and to be fair like Jack like we had this conversation years and years ago years ago and episodes ago where we talked about like the arab policy. We're like not ios errors underrated. Wouldn't you agree jack. We speak and elliot's done. I'm done did you Did you have a like a music. From the era sound week guys Light with elliot's fiji. So i never really gotten to the saw. The missiles vice leaking out. Sorry going off Talking about saving drivers in the late nineties when night voller that were still so of big name staying even diary endanger view years I get you coach. does like on sunday now myself in jack. We are massive massive fans right now machine. Gun kelly's stuff Have you had have rosie. So are you a bleak. One eight two. Yeah it's it's twenty yet. It's more than that. And it has travis ball drop these guys shave. Non-members mcgaw swink. Oh yeah well downfalls. Hi oh my god yes i basically. Don't ask me back onto the stories. The bbc go on hammocks. It's it's so good a highly highly recommended and when we lay around one hundred percents machine. Gun kelly's machine gun. Kelly off the he destroyed by eminem in the rat. Bowel as me as me. Jack do recall this. He went to more rock direction. Kind of like a rock post punk kind of conduct direction. And he's got a this rosy machine gun kelly's dot the imo. Fringe is still and drummer travis. Balka isn't that awesome. I remember being being a teenager and getting some drumsticks to play drums. When i was younger i remember. It was excited great under a band. The band called love bites brasi. I don't think so. It sounds so they are a japanese all female metal band kind of like they do a heavy metal with shredding. Silo is in that. And i remembered all at the front of the the underworld in camden. All's in the frontal from that and The drummer through the drumstick. And i call it using year. Ten cricket knowledge a yeah. I still have the drumstick in memorabilia. Covid for now. I i miss performing. Gigs are going to give for example for example rosie. We love watching. Jackie hi the professional wrestler all co host like. We miss jack. Russell is narrow narrowed down Oh yeah definitely like literally. Literally what did i just noticed. Down disappeared but to go work. Say case in any case we move we move but yeah literally literally rosy light. Yeah like i miss the days when columbia. Massive wrestling fan and doc is a mess arrested onto by proxy. 'cause he's a wrestler alicia watching waiting for a lot literally like going to the event killing up and all that kind of stuff yen then miss. Well i'll miss Fateful high the lake the the friends you make geeks live events and like minded people in in the crowd and like everyone's for the same reason at nyc. You just make the best defense. That's great mix bechtel's the only one hundred percent missile like loftier of altman to download festival. The obviously really wants to go three or four times it. Sogo broken downloads Nope i will. I will drink zero. We'll go jack yet. Will you want to go down. Learn maybe in the future sometime tonight he yet. All right what do depends on what Dependencies performing they'll be they'll be so many there's so many all set you'll definitely find a hell extremely dollar. They had i made in the next three. They flew the spitfires. I thought that was really cool. Last for equal india's pretty cool but yeah most favorite. Mo type of music. I even allow for conflict to be honest. My how ask and you know that women to perform lost year return gigs up. It seems to me that just holding off their full return until the world opens up again. So i'm gonna go even more on school than than than my chemical romance. I one of my favorite groups. Yeah that still has imo tendency to stay and they have recently released new stuff. Afi they still good. That's still a good for real day. Music is so good. But of course i sung like. Oh i mean the lead. Singer's hair harry's a like a short hair now. But i remember them like some love like winter call. Those are some bang. Is i found a via jack office on. Remember when you hear it was good ol. More popular again jack. Have you had to be tolerated. Like email a car off but they really bad cool down but they do switch to explain okay. Office announced like a five point. You mean like right now right more modern styles child we don. I mean if you go back on all kinds about forty or thirty episodes ago we did question where the tax reliable not. So you know we ourselves we. We're very open to like you know. I'm i'm kind of like in the middle on. Do you like my old school. We talk on gone like we've talked thermally people. If you haven't already go check go check on the zero sense channel. I mean on spotify. We have from episode fifty fifty one available. But you want to go deep into the archives. Check out the youtube channel because every episode and even the episode before even how to co. he's probably the thing but yeah going back to get some of these. I think absolutely there's a. There's been dose of mad episodes indeed but yet a month last month episode wilson. Actually talking about the the trump's inauguration because when he actually and i'm like fuck this guy and you know well down the line. I'm glad he's god. I've literally soak lot like it's like mad. I'll tell i'll tell you what though i'll tell you won't the me although it will scary. The whole capitol hill invasion. After sally jackson the means the means of remedy jackson. Assassin's creed me. Most of just evil planning down hill chrysanthemum. Just donald trump no quebec. Yeah either wi fi went dome. Young man dawn the wifi but yet the year promoting. We'll get done. What do you think gone so tell us. Tell us the a us about this. The new the new collection is being surmise domain. The title of ascension and growth collection about self love because I myself had to go through a self love and self appreciation development in my in my life especially in monceau talk about the idea about the book and how came to fruition. Well i started writing so of the pieces here. And that i know is of recurring themes because as i was writing Down i was so my relationship with myself sort of changed and it's been a long process For i think everyone goes to a similar things very relatable. I think a lot people aren't being young as they get older. Appreciate themselves multi they are. I think people have this transformation. And i just felt like i could get my work out. That people might see if they. I'm i'm gonna russell. Because i really hate that. We live in a world. That's more or it's more acceptable to hate the to louisa life. You see someone like fully feel themselves down. The street people are like. Oh my god how so am i. Well what's wrong with that right so they should. I mean it's just a weird mind that we have about ill and i'm just people need to stop being like ashamed to lose themselves that you look in the mirror and you should point out all the good bits rather than bits. And that's how i started to write about it was it was a combination of da relationship with my own body on my mind and how they interact 'cause like i said earlier Bipolar and had some difficult times over the is with awe so nation jack. Obviously i don't wanna get to pass no here but as we as we've discussed before Quite a few of the things that rosie have mentioned Can you relate to it personally because obviously obviously you've talked about mental health law on these episodes I mean you're free to talk it out your personal experiences about less than yeah more psychotic Astronomer like bit mad today at work sometimes. Yeah yeah so like an hour. A bustling new. I'm we really doing stuff like now. So yeah so brash. Young volcanoes wages while like so. Yeah totally donna. Because i mean i i have sold like two sides have much oppressive side. I'm excited Like psychosis symptoms. It's are totally stunned. I can be. I mean i can never say i completely understand because everyone experiences it differently. And that's why it's so hard to kind of is capable. I think. I think the world needs to be a lot more than stunned in mental house Like when i go. I let that side of me that makes sense. Yeah i failed like a mole tonight explaining amount that sound like crazy more often while than when i'm like like energized and shit an idea like around now on yeah but the end up making you happy with the talk about when i i have payments psychosis i find that like. I'm really like hype. Hypothe- motivated really like fully. Believe in myself. I can achieve anything and i am totally destructible. Nice feeling sit strange and would you say. Would you say them rosie. Obviously if you don't wanna go to personal was absolutely fine. But one one thing in talking to jack about his his his life story as we talked episodes ago. Did you feel because you. You weren't diagnosed at the time and mental health especially when we were growing up as a kid doesn't have the limelight has now you feel that. Perhaps when you're in school did you feel that. You're misunderstood in some regard to people. Do you feel like you felt a lack of belonging other know what will school like me. School was was good in was good in a lot. Wage noah never had any issues in bullied. Or anything. Like that. I had i just. I'm just very like. I felt like no one on stood while i was going through I wouldn't expect the people to win the sun because at the time i was diagnosed i didn't even understand. I just felt very different. Everybody else on. I couldn't work out why so it was really difficult to deal with those feelings about sort of started writing to try to make for my thoughts because the hind rights of dr. I understand it better. That if i just leave it floating around in ether. My brain coinciding with for example when Dan went to different high schools. I I kind of felt like growing up with of writing is well. I wrote some lyrics before very poetry. And i felt really for example like feeling kinda like like basically kononov not feeling it so i felt like the only way i can really roy. Some dog really really an emotional stuff to the point that on my mates were looking into like. Are you okay. Fine right like going to be like. I'm not going to be like a texas chainsaw massacre guy you know what i mean like ping long able to look at the positive sides legal. Arkansas cases met illness and shit much. Is you get like five things happen. You brains or same much. More aware enabled to do things other no reality. I think he's much more in tune with yourself on your stunned yourself. Bhakta and the people do very like open and your minds. Very broad mike. You can just absorb things in different ways. I think today i m. i recently found out a year ago. went for some examinations. Not i have what is known as hate jeff which is high functioning autism so basically i. It's very very mild. But because i felt like different to other people because the way the way i think the way i speak as a down at this point has no in many a very unique individual not down very very true to the point that like i do some things that you know like Sometimes that makes sense like We we have mentioned this in the lost episode. After for example mo- sensible people for example would wait until the best friends in for example in the house and the other are all the robles in the house. Went down like oh you know what is chilling you. Yes but it's isil fun but yeah so so tell me then my have you got an idea of how close far development have you got like cover ideas. Have you got a call. A is there any excuses. You can give us a little run over. Only thing is to be on the east. I mean i it's I'm still working on the content. The copa sort of design work very plain. So it's finishing off the content and the layout and if i want any imagery to accompany it. Outgoing my poems okay. i'm just looking at it. And now i looked online. Each lions could be the title of a panic at the disco song. We do. i think. I think don even panic. The discontinue down kai about in front of a crowd says we don't really notice the crowd with go now. Yeah so when. I say the now. Everything's black around me noisy Nothing you know what you mean. Actually because i used to have never performed my poetry on open mic nights. Virtually i've I've played various instruments. All i have done my gigs chef de i do know what you mean. I never did that. I did feel very nervous. Chance i saw couldn't see them. I don't know if that genuine the writing or if that's just brain. I don't know i felt like i couldn't really see the crowd. I was just looking at what was right in front of me. I still get nervous performing now. I definitely get not. I must admit. I think that's just a practice. Alternate now draft nor will it since we were always told to women tolkien stuff to look above the crowd Safe you look at someone. Interface try Look above everyone's heads ensure Sir so you. Predictive voice is room. If i make sense yet doesn't make up hyphen night. Once shown said this phrase a million times wants the will of returns. I'm hoping to get some Might night the rodman. zoom ones. Anna actually get out of bed so so site May think for life only once lost years literally when it was. I think it was around the lake. Paul summer and the world dow's as free as we have been in this in the world Unless you're new zealand last year and i literally felt like yeah. I felt quite a bit to my flow in the end. But it's only because like it's like muscle memory as he as he said rosie like. I mean once you've been called turkey. I mean performing online. That's absolutely fine and easy because paul the faculty from line home but also the fact that. I've done it numerous times in this this this mad. Lasagna zoom ero performing but homing enticing like. Yeah obviously all get back in needs to. It's one of those things where you can get the rough style jack. He'd be nervous. should he. Step back in the ring with nordea's little have you just go to unlock. How would you feel you just until apple. From my on. This like yeah. Let's see it's already gone off. Just just go all not be happy to be back for. Just when you think about that. I think the white house that mindset as well. I think i might have. That kind of mentality is to be a obviously august. Yes shows back a good reason. Many people able. You're gonna miss the air. Yeah still be frank power like good mental the will be like how much don't just loving life via Civilian dan tell me than men. Like with with You've coon from voting booth Va afc don. Yes making sandwich as little different Just to chase sandwich on hunchine. But you're gone for me. I'm fif- phoned. He times in front of light. It crowds that. But today the way i always go over i always imagined i was singing to somebody. Important to me faced vice. That would be crowded out in my mind. Check that that's just how. I was performing in front of quite a few thousand. Paypal eyesight filed by intimidating. Will the we'll will be a Yes would you tell another. This is a this is titled Rule in bulk. Goals is public forum. dan i even considering going back into opens. I ask back into it. As long as my health maintains that i can still to west singing voice how up guy back and try again on the league absolutely ah So yeah so. Yeah absolutely man. It's just it's just it just feels i feel like we're literally but the time this comes out. This will be literally a couple of weeks until the first anniversary of the dreaded lockdown in literally has been in literally has fell forever. And i mean literally cannot wait until like this whole is over. I think yeah. I think just urges artists are just one just wanted to just nine just like life you know is just mad like i mean. Yeah i mean rosie will say like hopefully twenty twenty one will be better than twenty twenty because by the time you wanna you wanna promote your book by that time. Celio book all that kind of stuff. Yeah yeah lately yeah definitely. I'm gonna as far especially while. I'm just going to go into it and you know down while i've got all this all this time sitting in my four walls of Yeah been so of trying to try and post content like until facebook or instagram. So of everyday man so been putting some by snippets of poetry things onto my instagram and things so with good. Yeah an also. I also noticed as well that you also run a You'll also designed other stuff as well done you. i think i think you do some cooler illustrations. I believe idea i am. I have a small business. Copan pen pencil like ado. Illustrations of people's people a have like drawing page. Where i work on arizona's yeah quite quite creative type but I enjoy all things create. If so just get stuck in one. Very people all cells. jack himself A low of a percentage of the tees and he has. He did himself in his own house. Is that true. Jack and anthony said to junk jokingly you won't get one of you and he's like nodding trust myself. If i could definitely see myself like i've got a few times as already and i'm really good because i had an appointment then last year down. I couldn't go so i still weighing on my next heart i'm also lucky broadway rosy light my my latest top two was literally three three two weeks before lockdown. So i will ostiense oils locking up in canada dan. I didn't know if i told you by the way. But i actually told. My parents will. Among about my tattoos. I find the other week a few months ago. I wish that conversation bubbles. Just goes. I go i i have to in two thousand. Fourteen and mom was just perplexed because my mom told me that when all of the kid i was apparently scan needle anymore under driving. Buddy hey when. I got my first phone when i was eighteen. Only told her the day before i was scat and then she literally muck demand said. I hope it hurts our arena. Know what you're saying. I'll thanks mom under the one about my mommy but goodful back in that conversation. I saw basically remind she wouldn't. She doesn't care. Because when i was i i told her the. If i got taio is gonna have the lyrics to gals just farm written down the back and since then she's been caught your body plant what he won't. Your mom has begun be hypocritical further. Not only for me with easter She's come to terms of that now. She just rolls her eyes. at me. jokingly New on foot models also cheetos. Mind jack as your family have a history of talk to you. The the tattooed. Ninja in the fam- spring me cooman. That's pretty cool man. I mean yeah. Tell me actually jag woke. How old were you when you first half to two thousand fourteen. Shame oh same here with me matting. So you're in your that seven you must have been very early twenties on that guessing Yeah man yeah absolutely mad yeah yes absolutely so rosy so tell me then tell me that so in regards to in recall all your content and your work especially in regards poetry. What are your goals. Full twenty twenty one. I mean we're reporting the of the year as i will. You're more all your goals. My goal To finish off collection. Get outlet to the world. Stop you know get out there get it published get it mock it get it get it on the show a lot business and then i'm actually working on some small So pamphlet paces going on. Yeah is called hot like ed. Donald nothing alcohol unbeliev spending -lica- let me have a look now can't remember off the top of my biggest question of is episode righted. I'm spelling it ally q. You not lately cure for without sat down. It's like you know that's the correct spelling. I'm a customer. Yeah so down to the punctuation to me this punctuate curricula by. I mean. i couldn't really go with. Hardly keel is kind of adopting moron. Leguizamo like put schnapps stuff is not like not the hard stuff i guy radii have the zero pulse guffaw. You could sit there and say timely. Kill actually derive Shine which is one of the strongest out a good to that kind of a food out because breaking character. The characters back Enjoyed listening in on this comes. This is this is the positive we have a new phone calls of added thing. I time diversity so like this coming across his back. I try and a cattery heights doing kosta so that can be from the fucking drive. I actually enjoy talking to my friends again a lot. I managed to join this one of secrets out out secret. Opiates it out now. Allegedly allegedly edited now. Allegedly the but. Yeah man jack. When was the last time you had alcohol. I've been saved the full since twenty sixteen matlock other. No i know. Orange uses the knife. Yeah no alcohol gang with to to hear you know what rosie his his his around question vehicles under use the stuff. Boys your favourite an alcoholic beverage of all time entertainment roaming it with anything. Tropical tiki shop sounds a lot stalker. Yeah good undoubtedly galeb. Good pinochle oughta. Dan was your favorite alcohol cure. It's debates page brand. People makes sound site manley. That one never even tried it before. Never even thought that combination is how little unknown alcohol these days. I'll tell you what rosie if he ever went to japan right so much right. Alcohol is not like. I remember when else in japan. They have called hymns of flavored wine. Drink casually on the bus stop flying as the way forward on. I absolutely. It's like Is so nice. I'm the so good. I think this a strawberry wine. Art is taken so good and okay before yeah salk a sock as waste to be ex cop kalpa. Supervise you know the stuff that we don't wonderful things cool. It's pretty cool. Indeed us pretty cool. Indeed i mean. So he's a he's an interesting note to close with because we didn't really talk much about your spiritual journey so so we have. We have mentioned about mental health. We have mentioned about self love but tell us what do you mean spiritual journey. What do you mean like is it like. Tell us about your spill to journey to the way you are now. Okay so i found like an there was just more like people kept saying like South lobby south. We'll be south. And i was like okay. Well is myself flied new his myself and it was more mormon and and so you know that there is more than just your body and how it looks. It's it's it's what books you read and drink. She like and the patch you have. I mean there's a lot built overpass at night. It's not just like walking flashlight. There's a lot more to it and a lot more. It's not just the mind is not just the body the spirit while in. It's how all those three things together them to to make oneself so to even though it's three separate things the kind of come together a home one day and i think it was. It felt very spiritual to me like you know. I don't i don't believe in so. I'm not religious anyway but i felt by result of spiritual connection to my myself. Nothing sent me an exactly. What you mean Blatant governorship or believe in spiritual on. Yeah definitely and i found that. I just had a really spiritual connection to myself that was like i wrote a poem about my body being a temporal Stained glass on 'em. I kind of it was kind of about. How yes you buddy. A temple you all to god is devoted to You know you can. You can do what you want. You can decorate it. How you want you can not tattoos. Make a jewelry. Oh what he can bring forth your personality in dawn you're alta however you like. I don't think that's going to mary. I think that. I think people think society i think on a done if it's a modern trooper is always didn't Since since history began. But i feel like people keep playing follow. The leader and people are leader. Menno individual mean for every for every rosie larsen. You see like clone eighty-five random person x. And i'm sure like krug sample of obviously we not mentioned as otherwise. We will get in trouble. But jack jack and i have talked various times. Let's just say gimmick infringement would you jack and lack of individuality cough. Cough guests are sunday. We will talk and tell us. Tell us about in regards to your own spiritual journey in your journey about yourself. Because i know full well. The one thing that's always been consistent about you is and i don't think they'll ever change. Is your love of animals. And i think your love of animals i. I don't think anyone who loves animals so much apart from yourself. Flay break character okay. Yeah obviously i've had my survey mental health problems. The isn't into some very very dow places and if it weren't for so my association with animals and sort of taking that part of my life. I'm not sure. I would made it to the place i am now. Bit dogfish podcast now. I totally. I'm i really night. It wasn't like they always say about their some able to tie the pets when they said your best friend. Speaking is animals and that to me is more interest to me. Animals a much simpler haven's vein. Ucla adults It's usually he Yes sein- These people in the wild and they say oh the like the shaw the shock attacks. The man and it became a mandate fucking. Man was in the wet heat. Shock house aims in. The shock was meant to be in. We will get pissed off. Fucking people going susan shit in a jump over the soggy attacked by target and talking. Don exactly what is always fucking dumb idea that is if you are in its territory will attack Hungry imagine being fucking toilet vows. Sin- depressed the fucking days waiting for someone just a wish Be stupid enough to climb that a fucking exactly an you know In regards to the i mean Site might my pollyanna she's gonna cap called bumble and bumble light. You know as as dan says a very animals expect sir emotions in a much more simpler way and us and like you know i can tell when bubble is a is hungry bumble. Wants attention and your phone. You voted bowman. I think the with animals. I think people take that for granted. I mean i think that he will. I think i think it's a whole premise. solve what we conduct full soko about you mentioned earlier. How people tend to belittle people rather than like you know be positive about people being abrasive he wanna put people down especially within the british culture breezy field. I think in itself. I think i was. Our animals are amazing. And i think that people other thing i think people that don't like animals pets on the obviously each that are in butter. What's wrong with you kinda thing. I've got two cats Look the from the crazy cat. Lady olive automobiles as well. I definitely simple creature to understand. I feel like we were to open more animalistic. We understand ourselves at each other besse meringue on the one at cultures I believe When when the when the of time a warning the around turns article. I believe i have met the randgold aaron. Twenty twelve shanks Yeah rogin will suddenly character in memories. I had on the one time that i went to see cultures. Aome assuming you've been to cultures e. Many multimedia have three s absolutely. Actually you know what. Let's let's let's have a quick less of a quick brainstorm question. I'm curious jack. We'll go with us won't Was the animal that you are looking forward to. Seeing the most cheetos always want down neighbor. Endure the fucking breach. Crocodiles underneath the bridge browse one. So move when you woke non-member night you should always just excite me in what you done will is your favorite just angelo. My favorite animal. You're trying to i gave. Oh for less than iraq at times with my favorite animal Well you know i. I think this episode is find some edits rosie with your favorite animal. Hasn't don't really do zoos. Nowadays are smelly vegan. So i am really news nowadays. I used to go chest zoo. I law and under some interesting exhibits. That i really liked the cave. There's like a big open cave just outside Being in that when he said cave my full burma but he didn't have now. Is that somebody mad. That's a theme. As well what rosie. It's been an amazing podcast episode. I hope you enjoyed it and hope you have sweet now. Dan and jackie have anything to say to rosie or any questions. You'd like to wish you good luck with everything you've coming. When you finally get round doing you live performances enjoy embrace it because it takes it takes it. Tixx got some tights confidence to do this live. I'm sure you'll be fine and you drennan rushing. I'm sure well. I'm sure we shop so you'll I'm really excited and make sure you take it easy. And you take your time with russia for the like. Yeah just taking on. Yes definitely. I'm just going to enjoy the journey. I think yeah and get say exactly exactly. I'll literally exactly the same. We'll jack was going to say but yeah rosy rosy feel free to plug anything you want. Applaud all the links between description regardless but yeah. Please tell the listeners. Where they where they can find you like where they can click links and all that excellent. We'll have an inscribed on facebook page in the same name creations by If you give me a phone that would be great. It was a right outlawed profile just in my name rosie lawsuit perennial the poets out. You'll catch online events for the net for the foreseeable of speakeasy next week and i'll be on the facebook page. Thank you very much. Rosie loss of mazing amazing episode. And this has been myself. jackie. Hi dan pettit. And this is zero on sensing to next sign. We show sierra late.

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Time is a landscape, by Michelle Thaller

Meditative Story

31:14 min | 1 year ago

Time is a landscape, by Michelle Thaller

"<music> being about you has been here for the entirety of time everything that you are utterly vanish in the blink of an eye hi. This is what you are. There is nothing to do about it to be so significant and yet so <music> insignificant. All the ones is the essence and the balance of what it means to be alive <music> <music>. I've always loved looking opportu clear night. Sky full of stars space and questions and few people know what's up there better better than astronomer and science commentator michelle thala in today's episode michelle takes us up to the heavens to consider are significant cons- and connectedness in the universe whose scale means that human life is almost in perceptible in this series. We blend immersive the first person stories with mindfulness plumps to help you recharge at any time of the day. I'm an beal guide for meditative edited story <music> aw from time to time to hear me come in with a brief prompt. Some may help you settle in more deeply others. Perhaps not so much either way. Just stay inside the story. That's all you need to do to feel. Its effect to begin this episode. It gives me great joy to acknowledge sales forces sponsorship and belief in meditative story while you may know salesforce would bring companies and customers together by delivering personal experiences customers love. Did you know that they're also dedicated to bring positive change in the world on a human level. They believe that sharing stories is a powerful way to spark a change within us. If you're anything like me you i know that when we're stuck in our own storylines our minds can feel so narrow so constricted whether it's worrying about what's coming up or entangled in the drama of the a day just gone all too often. We walk through our day without ever feeling like we have space given how crowded we our thoughts and stories but without alpi mental space. There's little room for creativity. Calmness and kindness and these qualities are needed to create positive change within ourselves that can affect those around us so later in the show. I'll share a micro step. You can take to get a little bit of space wherever you are. Thank thank you salesforce for asking. I share these thoughts. It's good to have you as our partner in meditative story now onto the the story before we hear from michelle. Let's take just a little time to settle if you can see the sky. Look up it if you can't and is safe to do so just look up at the space above you and feel the sensations of your feet on the ground at at the same time aware of the space around you and at the same time grounded connected to the f the body relaxed the body breathing your senses open your mind into open meeting the world <music> <music> <music> mm-hmm for nearly my entire life. I have felt lonely. I have no memory of when the started and now i have no idea what would it be like to experience a single moment of my life without it. I constantly struggle with feelings of isolation from other people from myself alf from life for as long as i can remember there's one place i don't feel lonely under under a clear star filled sky. I have no idea why should should be the case. Honestly it makes no sense at all <music>. My mother told me she used to find me. They're able to walk trying to go outside and look at the stars always felt like old friends and they make me feel safe now. I'm a professional astronomer but that emotional response has never changed. Even i've spent decades learning the physics of the hot gases in their interiors doing the math to calculate their orbits. I still go outside just to look at them with my own eyes i need to i need to spend time with my friends <music>. I felt this way even before i knew what the stars were and now i know much more about them. It turns out that my instincts were deeply almost almost strangely correct. I think most of us have some idea that astronomers are people who live with things much larger than themselves. Stars are huge almost unimaginably so and the distances to them intractable <music>. That's the smallest end of the astronomical scale. Galaxies are larger still monsters to vast comprehend elegant rotating disks of hundreds of billions of stars <music> uncountable trillions of miles across skills of time are everywhere around you to we study the lives of the stars this although a human lifespan to them is like a tiny to wink midge that has borne breeds and dies in a day you <music>. Some stars live only a few million years a fast intense life in stellar terms while others will live longer than the time has yet existed but stars honor a life cycle like everything in the universe. They're born live and die in. We are consulates at the cycle. I would not be standing here looking up but the sky and not generations of stars lived and died to bring me here to this moment and this is an incredible thing to know and it remains my favorite single fact at the beginning of the universe the only the very simplest adams existed nowhere in the entirety of space. Was there a single bit of the stuff that makes you into the being that you are lar- no oxygen carbon calcium <music> deep in the core of stars simple. Adams are fused together into larger more complex ones. The largest ones are not easy to make they take the death star actual moment of death. The giants star is one of the few things in the sky but actually happens quickly to human sensibility explode violently in what we call a supernova explosion lotion. It's in this explosion that often larger adams of the universe are created every atom of iron from the metal in your your cooking hands to the tiny mineral reserves in your blood that turn it red is formed from these moments of death entire solar <music> systems ripping themselves apart in an instant an instant and you can see these all over the sky on a dark night in california perched in the hills on the outskirts of san diego. The mount palomar telescope is a grand relic alec from the middle of the last century. It's mirror. I saw light in nineteen forty eight and is one of the greatest accomplishments of humankind. The two hundred inch hale telescope mount palomar is the most beautiful piece of technology ever built unlike today's telescopes which are certainly more powerful foil. The hail is breathtakingly elegant. Classically proportioned dome is large enough to cast. Ask the central behemoth into shadow and the telescope itself this long enough to make it feel that you're actually citing the stars. It's an example of loss technology not unlike the pyramids or stonehenge every every single time. I go to mount power as an astronomer. I feel a wonderful dissonant feeling of being in a sacred temple and being joyous disbelieving child erroneously left alone among treasure by careless adults. I can never believe i'm allowed to enter that space. Even the path to pal amar feels like a journey away from the mundane world switch back roads that never failed to disorient orient me and make me look seasick the desert that gives way too tall trees and far vistas around each turn smell alpine and dust on the way up that i opened the doors of the observatory and i'm greeted by the scent of marble hallways <music> all greece that coats the vast gears under the floor that if turn the telescope to track the stars for seventy years <music> i said at my experiment for the night which requires the giant i to stare at the same tiny part of the sky for many hours <music> <music> how's settled. Do you feel right now. Et cetera zoo shell ready for a long night observing the heavens. Oh do you have a sliver of impatience the mind restless to move onto what's next you note it and come back to breath <music> with some time to spare. I go outside to walk around the dome. Scan the sky for any approaching weather and honestly just enjoy the moment with the unaltered night sky. No telescopes small giant needed. My old friends are a comfort to my warm. Living is i wonder <music> over to check in with astronomers working in a nearby building that houses another old telescope. That's been re purposed for modern research in this case it scans is the skies looking for the brief blasts of light that indicate a massive star has died exploded in a supernova. I asked the woman working that at night how many supernova she's found so far a dozen tonight she tells me i walked back through the woods. It looked back up at the sky. Feel unequal to the task could even trying to understand what that means. It doesn't star systems complete with any planets or life around them to violent and sudden aunt talk blown to bits thus in a few hours this goes on around us every night <music> every day. Every hour <music> and from the debris of that death comes every he's thing literally every atom we need for life spreading their nuclear furnace debris back into space. The galaxy now has more of the stuff of life to work with. I wouldn't be here tonight. Had many millions of stars not died before adams of my body were formed literally a hundred thousand trillion miles away from where i sit tonight <music> high and fast me and i am alive and i'm so to the core of my existence in death imaginable vast deaf <music> birth and death bonded together cheek-to-jowl so tightly highly that one leaks into the other across a galaxy. That is what i am that is what you are. The story of the universe doesn't care if you think you're worthy or naught. If you wish to embrace this truth or reject it there is no possible way for the universe to judge none of our human made barriers or classifications exist <hes> <hes> we've spent so much alive within the containers of labels classifications they abel's put there by others oh by ourselves elves what might be like to not be judged a tool. You have freeing. Would it be <music>. <music> <music> <music> often. I feel overwhelmed with even my small limited perception of the larger universe and my deep connection to it. Sometimes i honestly can only deal with it by letting go at this scale so large and so small there are no expectations everything control everything about you has been here for the entirety of time everything kamar utterly vanish in the blink of an eye. This is what you are. There is nothing to do about. I want to be so significant and yet so insignificant all at once is the essence and the balance of what it means seems to be alive expectations. Have you put on yourself your life others this other lives. I spent the last few decades of my life pushing so hard. I constantly feel inadequate. Not smart art enough not hardworking enough just plain wrong constantly urine to feel accepted be part of a family. I crave connection intimacy. These feelings have led me to try to hold onto people to fiercely fall in love too quickly fear change to intensely at times. It has driven people away. I learned to push my emotion so deep down. I couldn't even feel them anymore. I thought this was being strong and i was proud of my control. The only problem was it didn't work. I became more and more stressed than pushed harder and harder until it all came crashing down and i had to for the first time in my life actually listen to my feelings. This is also the universe trying to know itself. There's nothing less perfect about your real authentic self. No matter your expectations just just let go. You can even let go with the shame of not being able to go. Don't let this be another way to judge yourself. The loneliness and fear and insecurity are still here with me and always building and they are also part of the lesson. The universe is trying to learn through my tiny life. Universe doesn't care about the definitions limitations expectations you put on yourself you are part of it just by existing listing and so is everyone around you as well as everything around you <music> every bird and flower and rock and waits. You can just like <hes> him. It's not always easy by you can just like him. <music> <music> <music> <music>. There is another amazing secret that even today scientists are teasing out of the universe from more than one hundred years now going going back to the work of albert einstein. We've begun to understand that time is not a progression not a river that runs in one direction instead times of landscape much like space from the right perspective and yes unfortunately one that three dimensional all creatures like us can't see all of time would be laid out before you every instant that has ever existed or ever will exist. There's really nothing more real about this moment right now. The moments that are billions of years in the future or millions of years and what we think of as the past not only am i made of life and death but i am individually all all those things at once. The earth has not fallen gift. The son has died and all the stars gone dark for uncountable accountable trillions of years. Now i think of that when contemplating love and loss but helps me honestly honestly just a little bit does help me to deal with the fear and loneliness that are as much part of my life breath <music>. I've said to my husband when the universe began. I was holding your hand and when the universe ends uh i'll be holding your hand and we actually believed to be literally true <music>. We've reached the end of michelle l. story in just a moment guide you through a closing meditation off to that. I'll share a micro step that you can take into your day inspired by the coach of mindfulness that our sponsor salesforce drinks to their work the night time sky has long been a source of all and wonder there's something about looking up and connecting with that vast expanse above that dilutes and re frames whatever issues we're dealing with at the time michelle. Put it beautifully. The universe is it moved by whatever limitations we put upon ourselves. We are a part heart of it. All the same held in its fastness part of that boston is made of it even so so with your permission. Let me guide you through meditation flowing from the fame. If it's safe and comfortable to close your eyes is then. Please do sir and if you conroy now that's totally fine. The practice will still work for you but you might want to try it again. At a time where you can be still with eyes closed that might be fun. Okay relaxing your body relaxing your mind and letting your eyelids west softly closed. If that's okay your face hands he'll belly relaxed and as elax lecture attention settle on the inner cinema screen of your mind the screen of your imagination begin by picturing yourself in the space that you're in just as it is imagine the setting the land and feel yourself really inhabiting that place now allow the picture to expand to include your city. Perhaps as one one of those top down aerial shots see how much space you take up in this view how much smaller you are now. Expand your imagination even further to the region urine and then to the country notice where you are in this picture. Now we're going to allow the aerial shot to go all the way into space imagine seeing the earth from the moon seeing where you are on the planet notice how fast cost the earth is the oceans the landmasses the weather systems now oh expand even further up moving away from the sun past mars jupiter past saturn's rings the sun shrinking and the earth where we are starting to vanish from sight entirely now allow now your mind's eye to move out even further all the way to the point where you're taking in the whole of the milky way galaxy. How much space do you take up this scale and what does this vantage point bring up fear all fear confusion wonder during this whole thought experiment payment every single thing even imagined has been in your mind. He didn't physically travel out to the edge of space you imagine your way through a series of complex thoughts so notice that as you sit stand or lie here attorney authorities arising in your awareness but so as every other aspect of your experience sights sounds smells and tastes the sensations of your body they all wash through your experience sensations which arise stick around for a while and then move on notice how not a single thing of is is outside of your experience. All of this is happening in your awareness awareness furthermore. It's the experience you've ever known. Can you think of anything that you've ever known which you didn't know through your direct experience from this montage point every they single thing you've thought fell tore known as a reason within this human experiments have asked anything you can imagine as being inside of it including the vast magnitudes of space arises as a thought within the experience. We are the universe knowing itself. We are made of stars so if it helps to remember that when faced with something which closes down said so wonder which contracts us and my invitation would be to do so <music>. I'm show that michel would agree <music> <music> alya. I mentioned the value of finding a a little bit of space when our minds of full of this and that for the thousands of people who work at salesforce that encouraged to practice mindfulness as an essential part of driving change that starts with each us. They've asked me to share one powerful. Mike cliffs that he can try to find that space and what it is is quite simple. Pimple went outside. Look up the sky. Looking up can change our mind. Just the simple act of relaxing is i'm looking up up to the sky can sophon whatever hardship we're dealing with at the time the big space on the outside encouraging space on the inside this could be a great thing to do even busy city especially in a busy city it can also be a lovely to the nighttime when the stars around and with that simple action thank you to salesforce for supporting storytellers who opened up something with us at health policy new perspectives new perspectives shed through a story make change possible. No <music> <music> meditative additive story is a whitewater original in partnership with five global. The show is produced a studio inside white partners in new york. I've executive produces. He says a demonstra june cohen and dan cats producer is sabrina for our supervising producer is jive. A curator is carrie ghosting original music and sound designed by the holiday brothers mixing and mastering by brian pugh special special thanks to answer juliana stone some matai monica madison odenberg lindsey annoyed mcconnell liberty smith's in her and san and i'm gonna tell a traitor of the meditation app and in your visit meditative story dot com to find the transcript this episode <music> on the next episode of story when bianca and i i had alexander i remember there being a whole soon nami of sentiment both over email from my friends and on social media people. I didn't know where we we were being told and exhorted to enjoy every moment or cherish every moment and i always wondered about that. Is this just kind of perfunctory. Hundred thing that people say or is it maybe based on some sort of remorse that they may feel about having let their kids childhoods slip by without really taking get all in while it was happening <music>.

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Make It Happen Pt. 2 w/ Felice Gillum, Dawn Lieck, & Jean Turner - TT 126

Trina Talk

33:27 min | 2 months ago

Make It Happen Pt. 2 w/ Felice Gillum, Dawn Lieck, & Jean Turner - TT 126

"If they don't give you a seat at the table. Bring a folding chair. That is a quote by shirley chisolm. Welcome to trina talk. This is the podcast. Were guests shared their stories of pursuing their passions living at fulfilled life and empowering others. Each week i talked with inspiring leaders business owners and people with amazing stories from around the world in unscripted conversations as they share their successes and failures. This podcast is all about empowering you to keep striving in your personal and professional life. I am your host. Trina l. martin. Welcome to episode one twenty-six. Before i get into this week's episode. I'm excited to share with you. That i've been selected as one of the international speakers for sean fares leadership experienced tour. Twenty twenty one is happening. April tenth and troy michigan. I will be there on location on the stage and the topic of my speech is from a mess to amazing. I will be inspiring and empowering you to be resilient regardless of what may have happened in your life now. Although i'm going to be present. Their onstage i fight you to purchase your virtual ticket at bit done lee four slash capital l. e. t. Twenty twenty one. The topic of this week's is make it happen day. We're gonna have three of the amazing authors of the make. it happen anthology. Some of you guys have heard me talk about being one of the co authors of this book and i'm so honored to have three of my fellow co authors here. The brain behind this project is current cherry. And some of you guys may remembered her from her episodes. She was on. Trina talk episode eighty eight. He's known as the queen of getting butts in seats but she's also the queen of bringing people together on amazing projects and she is the brain and the founder behind the make. It happen project. So today i will be talking with dan. Leak the lease guild them and jean turner so welcome ladies. Trina talk. Well thank you thank you. It's good to be here. Yeah writing okay. So we're gonna start with don died. Tell us a little bit about who you are. And what made you come to this place where you are today again. My name is dawn leak in thank you so much for having us Thrilled to be here. And i am a transformation life coach and international speaker in a bestselling author as well as an anthology visionary. So i walk with people in help them embrace change at any age because there is no age limit on you know transformation and In a help people to to understand that they can do it scared because most things that we do right they create some fear so we just kinda have to walk through it in. Do it scared. Make it happen. And so i worked with kern In the past and so when she honored me with asking me to be guest author in lists in balaji. I was just thrilled because You know the big thing of everything is just making it happen. And because i coach i speak on fear this really resonated with me because everything that i do. I do at scared in so making it happens. Sometimes we just have to push through and make it happen. Hand current honored me with being a featured author in maya -nology that i just finished up a couple of weeks ago so For her to ask me was just a a thrill. Definitely excited to be in this project. I'll thank you don. How bud youth elise. What tells a little bit about you. And what made you decide to be. Part of this project will Again my name is police. Kelly gillum and i live in ghafour with my husband in my children right in age from twenty three to three. So i have a very creative life It was very simple for me to decide to be a part of this project one because obviously anything current is part of You wanna be a part of it if if she asked so certainly that made it easy but making it happen is just like non said is just been rooted in who i am and what i stand for. My whole life has been based around trying to find a way to make it happen even under the best in the worst of circumstances are was brought up in a more privileged lifestyle But at frequently will say chose to go against the grain So i could be a little rebel spirit. Sometimes so i had to kind of make things happen with going against the grain of everything that was ever talked to me everything that i knew that i believed in but find a way to find myself in my way back to sales. So that's why it was just really important for me to be a part of his project. Because i won't for especially young women to realize that no matter who you are no matter how privilege you are under police you are that you can always make it happen like early on. There is no age limit. to to make an success for yourself so that was the main reason why wanted to be a part of the project. Wow thank you now. Gene tell us about yourself. And what made you decide to be part of the project. Thank you train a I m jean turner. I am a registered nurse. I am a holistic health coach Newly retired from the army army veteran and author and motivational speaker. So look i Went through a health challenge was in the perfect was the perfect picture of health and went through a suddenly health. Challenge to wear you know i coined the term i. I came up with this term to describe That challenge We don't know how resilient we are until resilience is a requirement All the resiliency training. I had in the army did not. It didn't even touch what. I experienced doing that during that suddenly health challenge and so i have a story to tell and so for meat was pretty much a no brainer. That win kerns sent out the call to action to take up arms and be a part of this project. Because you know my purpose. I really discovered my purpose in going through that challenge and my purpose to help others to you. know discover. We all have an innate strength that we need to draw on an innate strength that god gave us and that we are also born with a certain amount of that strength as well but in order to overcome any challenge that we go through. We have to draw that innate strength. that's why. I became a part of this project. Tell my story. Will you know what thank you and thank you. My fellow service sister because i just retired from the navy being a naval officer. So thank you That's right you ladies are so amazing and from your chapters. What do you want people to know. Now done a. You are a veteran at this. You have done an thala giese you. You have written books. And i'm not sure what you're chapters about. I don't know if you want to take you know. Give a little bit about what it's about. But what is the impact that you want your chapter to have on the reader while the name of my chapter is Running when you just wanna crawl and so the impact that i wanna have You know for the reader is bat. You you can't. You can have that resilience you know. You can't have the stamina. You can have the courage of you just have to muster from deep within You also have to walk in faith. I mean if you're not walking in faith There's not a whole lot. That's going to happen for you right in end so i just want everyone to understand that if we really walk in faith if we're obedient in what is being given to us because their ideas there's different things that come to us and i'm a firm believer that you know ideas don't just come up in our head for you know for no reason. They're not a us right. they're not in in. So it's it's our decision whether we listen whether we hear and listen or if we let fear stand in the way of us following the directions given to us So that's how you have to make it happen and it's not easy but if you reach deep within You know their support systems. But you have to be open to the fact that you can make it happen no matter what you can make it happen but you just got to build that strengthen that courage to be able to do it in walks you that fear because if there's one thing in this entire world that is universal in that not one single living soul has not experienced is fear i mean it's it's universal. It's for everyone so when you see people that are successful you see people that are driving. dave walk through the fear to and so. It's just up to us to be able to do that. Just a few stops to help people through that fear to get where they wanna be. Wow so powerful. I love your just do it scared and fear because we do we all experience that i don't care where you are at your life where you're at the lowest point or either at the highest point the all experienced some type of fear going through something and i think that's something that many more people need to understand because i think sometimes we feel ashamed if we're afraid to do something or the take that next step we think. Oh well everyone else is doing it. So we're just the i man out so i'm looking forward to reading your chapter in the book. Now felise what about you you know. What is what do you want your chapter to. How do you want to impact the reader. And what is your chapter about if you want to give us a little bit about it. Sure so the title of my chapter is The the light and the reason is because There have been so many times in my life. You not been through so many different obstacles and challenges in. I mentioned before challenges. That never should have found myself in on based on my upbringing. But just when you attend to be a little hard headed. Things don't always go the way that they should but aca remember it every stage in my life having to channel if find that light within myself even when there was so much darkness to be able to bring myself out in every time. And i know it you know. A lot of it is attributed to my faith and my spirituality in just having such a strong diligent strong support system. But it's all because of what got had already manifested in me that allow me to be my own light to pour out of darkness. And that's something that i want for The readers to be able to resonate that you know no matter what it is that you're going through. You have to learn to walk in faith into of course lick guy be your loving your light but learn how to be your own life so that you can Find a way to shine out of darkness like i had A hill scare the year. That i had my son. I actually went into kidney failure During labor with him and it was by far the scariest part of my life The guy was about thirty five at the time. But after a number laying in icu. Literally have dead Just thinking about this newborn baby in will have opportunity to raise him. I'm kind of feeling like no probably won't have an opportunity to raise him. And then i had a sixteen role in you know. Westlife gonna look like for her. If i leave her in this newborn baby my husband behind. And i can just remember amongst all of the prayers justice light shining In my own. Spirit when i close my eyes and i use that light to rule myself out of a dark place and i've done that so many different times Throughout my life. And so that's what i want for people to realize that you can always sean be your own light no matter what type of trials or tribulations you find yourself the end that you can come back in land on your feet. Wow powerful. thank you for that gene. What's the title of your chapter. And what do you want the readers to get from your chapter so the title of my chapter is the resilience to make it happen and It came about because in two thousand eighteen. You know i was. They found a malignant tumor in my left lower long. So i went from this warhol army chick. You know the pitch perfect picture of health to this suddenly diagnosis and You know with that diagnosis. And i'm sure even with a diagnosis like the lease had no and she talked about some of it comes at fear that anger that depression the isolation The hopelessness you know That that nobody takes you overwhelmed. You if you allow it to but my chat the really what i want people to know. Is that once again. God gives us resilience. He gives us that innate strength right and in our times of weakness then he shows himself even stronger in our lives if we have faith and believe that he is there with us and that he does and so is that resilience that innate strength that we have with us lean and trust on. You know our creator you know because when we are wiki as strong and that he will give us the strength to make it happen and even in the midst of life's challenges and obstacles. Wow thank you ladies for sharing that your your chapter little synopsis with me I am so looking forward to reading it. And i'm so glad to be on this project with you all because i think you all are amazing ladies and i couldn't be in better company to be a book with such amazing people but my next question for you guys is the same. Everyone has decided to share of themselves and be a little bit vulnerable. How how was that for you being vulnerable deciding to put what you did in your chapter. Put that out there. How did that feel. How did that feel for eugene. Honestly train I i've never been more vulnerable during two thousand eighteen to twenty nine thousand nine hundred when i was suddenly diagnosed with that with that malignant tumor and all of the healthcare and the treatments. And like i said those feelings of isolation and depression and hopelessness to me. That was the most vulnerable. I been in my life even more than being down range in iraq around around enemy enemy kant's so for me In this Anthology make it happen. I've already been. I believe that my most vulnerable state and enduring when i went through that suddenly health crisis so there was there was nothing like what else act like. Yeah to me. I couldn't get no vulnerable than that during that time. So it was goal is totally all right. How about you felice. Did you feel vulnerable. It is this chapter. Push you to a point to be vulnerable into. Put things out there that you really hadn't thought about putting out before now honestly it didn't on because i like gene with the the health scare it puts you in a very different perspective when it comes to vulnerability And after you have that near death experience or have to come to grips with your own mortality. You you just want to be as open and transparent as you can because you want for somebody else to be able to be blessed Through your challenges in what it is that you've been through so i came out of that experience a completely different person A more boko person a person that was kind of more in tune with myself. I'm sure my husband felt like. He admired a stranger. Because i was. I was very very very different In this just the vulnerability that comes with being extra lowest point accurate remember The whole time. I was pregnant with the baby i was saying i wanted to. I want to breastfeed. That was something that was extremely important to me. was to be able to breastfeed my children and i was so sick that i could not breastfeed him. Ac- you and i mean i was literally near diff but all of the nurses knew that that was something that was really important to me because of all the classes edgy. Take ahead of time. So i can remember time in. I'm totally out of it Through this experience. I'm kinda coming in and out. You know when i'm in icu. A in and out of consciousness but acura member One of my icu nurses literally milk. Immi like ours. cal. I mean because she said that once i got well i went back and i think all of them but she said that she can remember when i talked about how important that was to be able to nourish my body. I mean my son's bite with what god has given me But that was a very vulnerable place to be in. Because you think your husband or spouse or your life partner you know being the one to kind of help you with burst. Fading and things like that or that. The it's between you and your baby but just for somebody another human being to think enough of me and my child to be able to To help me lift me up in that manner. When i was at my weakest point it it just gives you the transparency to you. Get to the point. You don't care what you share. I mean sometimes. I have to remind myself. Okay not want embarrass your parents too bad. You know because you really you. Don't you get to the point where you don't care because every part of your story you feel like if it can help somebody anybody even one person. Then that's enough well. Thank you thank you for that now. Don my question is slightly different for you because you have done this before but you have a theme. Do it scared the fear. What made you talk about that. Well when i was Backward was forty five. So i i woke up You know one day. And i just realized that i had totally i looked in the mirror. I was four hundred pounds There was like you know how they say you know. There's nothing behind the eyes. It was like i was empty. I just i wasn't i wasn't there. I didn't know who i was. I was completely lost. And i had to go through a journey of figuring out because i mean i was really i was very. I was highly successful in my job. You know making the money. I had everything. I had the husband i had the houses the cars i had all of the designer handbags. I just did everything that society says that you should be. You know pleased in end. Just thrilled to have and For me it just wasn't it. It just wasn't it and i came to that realization. You know mid life where we don't really make those types of changes major life changes at forty five years old. It's like you're set. You know in. I was told by many people that When i would say that i was just absolutely miserable. I was told you know you're crazy. This is what life is. You know you've got it all in this is how it's supposed to be an unlike not for me. It's just not for me is just isn't it and i felt like i had to. I felt like i was dying. I felt like. I had to save myself from where i was at because i wasn't there. I mean i had lost myself completely on. So i left a twenty year marriage. I left a twenty year. you know very well paying job. I lost two hundred and fifty pounds and I just restarted my life. Unaided happen. I started completely over from scratch at forty five years old and i had to do it for me in so there were many naysayers. Of course my family. You know like you are crazy. You got it all. But i had everything except myself in so i started over from scratch in down. I had to do it scared and believe me i was. I was more than terrified. Because i'm like the type of person that gets anxiety when i changed my living room furniture around because it's different being transparent here. I really do throw me way out. It puts me way out when i changed her album furniture. Because that's not the way it was aware. Is this going to go. Where is that gonna go. You know So for me to do something like that. It was a it was something that i just absolutely had to go in so i did all of those things and i do not suggest this to the audience. I did all of those things at the same time. And i moved out of my home state so like by myself in and i mean i literally started over and it was. I will be honest. It was You know the most awful time of my life in it was because like creature of habit everything that was my comfort zone I removed myself from it. I can honestly say Little bit by. I am so happy now. I'm living my best life I saved myself in You know so. I did it all scare in so reason i share my story why i write in other anthologies Is because i just want you know others to understand that it can be done. You don't have to live on other people's expectations of you in. Yes it's going to be hard in. Many people say i could never do that. I could never make those changes. Because my whole entire life would fall apart. You are correct. You are absolutely correct. Your entire life will fall apart in when it doesn't it all crashes down to the ground what you do then she just pick back up the pieces that serve you and you leave the rest. They're in you walkaway and it's not easy. It's not easy. But had i had something to read or someone to talk to. That had gone through all my gosh. My journey would have been so much easier. But i felt like i was like the stranded woman out on island by yourself for a long time and it was a very hard transition for me in so i see this on a regular basis i see with people in men but predominantly women that are living their life to please everyone else in they are lost in so if i can help them in any way encourage down or walk with them on their journey. That's that's what i feel like. I've been i feel like us. What my purposes. so wow. That was a gym right there. You dropped so this means living your life for someone else. I i have been a victim of that trying to please other people and then when you look around you're going i'm not happy. This is not me. This is now who i am. So i totally relate and thank you thank you for putting that in the book and being that type of person to share that Yeah that's just amazing. So as we wrap up. I wanna ask each one of you ladies. What do you want your legacy to be. That's the first question. And then the next one is. I want you to tell the listeners. How they could connect with you. Whether it's they want your service. They want you to speak coaching. Whatever it is. So don kickoff. Oh gosh my legacy. I just want people to know me as a woman that that made it happen. That just did did what was best for her. That that's my my mission in life is is to help people walk in their purpose in walk in their truth and just not worry about expectations of society or their family or things that have been instilled in them Just to be their own person. So so that's my biggest thing if if people could just look at me and i don't need for anyone to say oh she's so brave and she did this now. I'm a big chicken just like everyone else. But if i if i can help people make it through at in. That's why i say on transformation coach because there's transformation in so many ways right there's weight loss there's mindset masters making the move from marriage there's making from job in so you know but i don't coach on anything that i have lived through cassette lived through a couple of things if i haven't denied reaffirmed a someone else right but i can be reached at. I'm on facebook in messenger. It crazy as it sounds messengers like my favorite place because to me. It's more personal in dumb. I've stated before my phone is like an extension of my hand unfortunately so You know few message me a messenger. I am on facebook on don leak. I'm also my business. Page is a dawn week at finally free. Llc which is my business on facebook I have a facebook group. Finally free to be me. Y'all are getting the theme year and And my email address is finally free one. llc at gmail.com in. I would love to hear from anyone that would just like to check great. Thank you how about you felise. Tell us what you want your legacy to be and then tell the listeners how they can connect with you For me The greatest part of my legacy Is obviously my children. And what i want them to know in remember their mother as in for the world's remember me as a person that learned that to live on their truth and that's something that's so important For me for everybody to get to that point. I think about don when she talked about how you know just forty five years of being a people pleaser you think forty five years is a long time and i say forty five years because those attributes star when we're young children You don't just you know. Get to be thirty and decide you're going to be a people pleaser So you care all the weight of that on you and that's something that i try to really mentor to young girls about is just whatever. Your truth is even. If it's being a bad person you know because there are dark people but If this who you are then you have to own the you have to live in order to be able to find What got truly has be so that you can heal it. Take yourself to the next level. So that's that's kind of what. I what i want for. My legacy to be is a person that did not always live it true but was able to find themselves in heal themselves with the help of guy to learn how to be more in tune with what's important on to me so i'm on also should media platforms facebook Because i feel like an old person Is the one that. I'm probably most comfortable with But i am all of them S felice kelly gillum Facebook twitter instagram oliver book and at my website beliefs. Kelly gillan dot com. But like dom phone is in extension of me so facebook brace. Book messenger is usually always the way to get me. Because i don't give you far away from all gene so you're next. What do you want your legacy to be. And how can the listeners. Connect with you. So i prayed to god that i leave a legacy of health and wellness in whole body. Mind soland spirit that my children and grandchildren to come will know that their mother jeanne mighty great and she ma was a warrior woman with a fighting spirit and i can be reached at. Www dot spirit of a warrior dot lights in on all social media outlets great. Thank you so thank all you ladies for being with me and you guys are awesome. Can't wait to read your chapters. And i'm honored to be a co author with you on this project. If you like. Trina tuck podcasts. Please don't forget to go to i. Tunes and rate it five stars and leave a review. Also who else in your life do you know that. Need some motivation and inspiration in their life. Don't forget to share trade talk with them. I hope you have a great week and remember if you change your mindset you can change your. Life keeps driving because is journey not a destination.

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Developing a Hiring Outward Mindset with Jonathan Domsky

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Developing a Hiring Outward Mindset with Jonathan Domsky

"This is the higher power radio. Show before we get started. Let's take care of little housekeeping. Hey did you see the recent survey that sixty nine percent of organizations transition to remote work in sub capacity as a result of kevin nineteen as we all know. A remote workforce requires a remote hiring process but the goals of hiring still remain the same to identify and hire the strongest talent. If you're struggling with this challenge criteria can help check out criteria corp dot com led most advance recruiting techniques. Land the most desirable talent your company to massive six six. This is the higher power show with rick. Girard people you hire as obvious obstacles to achieve your company. Goals is poison often we venture into the hiring process for the mindset of. How can you help meet. This is wrong in so many ways. Especially if your goal is to fuel the growth of your company the truth is the people you hire could care less about you and your goals and this is why people take your job simply for the paycheck and bounce at the first hint of trouble understanding the other person's pains desires. Allow you to connect the dots for both parties of how you can bring maximum impact to career and the company. I'm rick girardin and welcome to the higher power radio. We help entrepreneurs and business leaders win the right hire. We share insights from top performing rebel entrepreneurs disruptors and industry leaders like our guest today. Jonathan domke he is the founder of untangled. Coaching an entrepreneur since he was twenty four years old jonathan many of the same tools as a traditional business coach goal setting accountability best practices but his purpose in life is teaching personal mastery. Jonathan superpowers distill. This wisdom into practical easy to understand and simple to apply tools. That will make your life easy meaningful and joyous to entangle the clutter in your business and life so that you can be your best most authentic self and most importantly see a clear path on how to get from where you are right now to living your beautiful future which is what makes jonathan the perfect experts for today's topic johnson. Welcome to the higher power radio show today. Thanks for heavy rick. There's nowhere i'd rather than right here with you right now. Oh wow that's like the nicest thing anybody's ever said to me putting my wife today. Ready to talk a little bit about why you need to change your hiring mindset and we'll talk about how to shift your mindset to feel growth will give you a plan to do that. Let's do it the conversation. I often have with entrepreneurs. Is i want somebody who's already done acts. You can come in and do the work. They have to want to be here and they just have to figure out what the job is because quite frankly we don't really know what the job is. i find. This is far too common. Especially when i'm talking to new companies. Do you see as a challenge as well of course it's important when you're hiring someone you want them to have the experience in the know. How and the skills to do what it is. You're hiring them to the problem is that it's not enough behavior dry results. But what's going to drive that behavior. If incentives training giving people rewards and punishments was enough then every company would have great. Customer service all siblings. We'd get along there'd be no crime. It's not enough so behavior as results but what drives behavior and the answer to that is mindset so let's break into that because the mindset is probably the most dangerous thing that entrepreneurs have because when they go into this they just need to get the work done and again just having that approach to it is so harmful to you and your business. Because you're not going to attract the best people for your organization you're just not absolutely and the reason for that is that most of us have what we call an inward mindset. Were concerned with our needs. Our objectives are challenges and to the extent that we think of other people at all. It's as objects. We see them as obstacles to overcome or you see them as vehicles to get what we want. And if they can't help us they can't hurt us than their irrelevancies. That don't matter at all and that provokes and inward mindset another people that if you don't care about what my goals are if you don't care about what i'm trying to do. Then why should i care about yours. And so much of the drama so much of the conflict that we see our lives that we see in our businesses comes from this inward mindset thinking that we're all focused on what we need and then other people respond to it by not caring about what we need but if we could focus on what's important to them if we could have an outward might said if we could see them as people with needs challenges and objectives of equal importance to our own that opens up the space for a supposed to accomplish great things together having this outward mindset that we're talking about right now also attracts the strongest people. Because you're able to look past your preconceived notions your bias. Whatever during your interview process to actually understand who a person is at their core and be able to connect the dots both for you and for them as to whether or not the person is going to thrive people want to have an impact. They wanna know why they're doing what they're doing. Not just the what of what we're doing and so many times when we're hiring former writing a job description we write it with mindset. Were saying here's what you need to do. And it's left up to the person to understand what's the impact they're having. What's the purpose of what they're doing. Let's say that you're hiring. Customer service person and part of the description is must be able to handle fifty calls an hour whatever it is sure. That's the what that they're doing. But the outward mindset goal isn't to process fifty calls to help solve fifty clients problems in our. Yeah this is just on the inputs. what you're doing. It misses the whole point of why the job exists in the first place. Having this service fifty caused our return most people but solving fifty problems in our would probably be alluring to the right person for the right person. Exciting i get to help people. That's why i got into customer service in the first place or whatever the judge has. Nf the goal if the systems inside the company if the reward systems inside the company success metrics if they measure those were things will then. It doesn't matter if the person has an outward mindset doesn't matter if the person is really interested in having an impact people are going to conform to the incentives and the structure of the organization. So it goes beyond just interviewing goes beyond hiring in order to have people working together on these common goals giving the most of themselves and not just being compliant but contributing cooperating than they need to know what those goals are and they need to build a work with some autonomy to have that impact and this is important to accompany why ringlets illustrated with a quick example. Let's pretend that you. And i are sending the top of the hill and i give you a ball and ask you to push the ball down the hill. What's going to happen to the ball. Had a hell. It's going to go on the hill the balls and object. You push the ball and it just does what you tell it to do. Let's pretend that you. And i are standing at the top of the hill and you decide to push me on the hill. What's going to happen. I'm really strong. You're going down the hill buddy maybe with a giant share force of willie we go. There's going to be consistence but most are going to push back and that's why it matters because if you treat people like objects they don't want to comply if you hire someone and they're just a cog to fill your machine. They have no incentive to understand what your goals are to help you achieve the goals of the business and time. They're probably going to give you the least amount that they can in order to keep their jobs or maybe they'll quit. You'll have high turnover because you're just focused on what's in it for me instead of what's in it for them. They will quit. They will quit when you're wants primarily ego driven. Then you're gonna drive people out and plus you also look at whatever role ukrainian as what is the business name. Not what do. I want as an entrepreneur. It's always nice to be able to say. Hey i've got some guy that i hired from google or some big company but that's a totally ego driven and probably the worst higher and you say what is the business needed businesses made up of people so the person who's gonna be managing that person. What is that person's needs challenges and objectives with regard to this higher the co workers of this person their peers. What are those peoples needs challenges objectives. Anyone was reporting to them same question and then of course for the candidate themselves. This person that you bring into company. What are their needs. Challenges and objectives focusing on other people. It doesn't mean that you don't focus on what you need means that if you could take care of what they need i than it opens up space for everybody to work together illustrate that with an example before i was a coach. I was an entrepreneur. My primary business was kid. Durable few seen umbro's raymond's look like frogs ladybugs and stuff like that. That's us and we used to hire sales people and the sales people's goal. We built our business on small independent mom and pop stores really good custer was five thousand dollars in sales a year so ourselves people had a goal that they were supposed to sell thousand dollars for products year to our customers to ship that out the door very inward goal. What happens to the product after it ships. Well that's not our concern we'd airport. We shifted that goal we needed an outward mindset goal and we said from now on our sales goal for each customer was that they sell ten thousand dollars of could orville products or the course of a year. Most of our retailers had one hundred percent markup so if they sell tend those and that's the same as shipping five dozen by making it about them selling as opposed to shipping. It opens up all sorts of possibilities. Will maybe they need training and how to sell their product. Maybe they need support with displays or other promotional support. Maybe we have a new product. We should guarantee it that it's going to sell and take it back of a dozen so they could. They don't have stock on their shelves but they're always moving product. Those are the possibilities that come from having outward mindset by considering what is it that all the people around you all the people that you affect by what you do what are their needs challenges and goals. Yeah very true and you mentioned if you protect your hiring like it's a customer because each person that you're talking to your is potentially a customer away so you treat them like that then you can lose. You're listening to the higher power radio show. I'm your host. Rick girardin for our podcast listeners. We're gonna take a quick educational moment from our sponsors. The hiring landscape is changing unemployment in the us reached its peak of fourteen percent in april leaving many talented people looking for work. Since february than number of applicants per job has doubled hiring is always hard and it can feel even more daunting in the midst of a pandemic. Well you need is a comprehensive portfolio free employment assessments. That can help you get to know your candidates. Even though you can't meet face to face learn more at criteria corp dot com. Hey chick outside. Search dot com there. You'll find additional content and he sources to help you. Land grade hires. It is jonathan dumb ski. He's the founder of untangled coaching. And we're discussing developing out word mindset and how to implement that into your company so we just talked about why you should do this and now ready to talk about how to john thala to lead off. How do we solve this problem from an individual perspective. It's very simple. See other people as human beings with needs challenges objectives that are of equal importance to your own people not as objects and then. Adjust your behavior to actually help them achieve. What's important to them. And then we're not quite done. Measure the results. If you're hiring someone and you're talking to a candidate. What is it that they want. While i ask not just are they a good fit for you but are you a good fit for them. And if you're hiring people and you find that it's bad cultural fits that they didn't have the skills that you thought they had her for whatever reason not thriving and they're leaving. Well how can you adjust your questioning during the interview you adjust your out mourning process. How could you just their experience when they're starting so that you are able to help them to achieve their goals within the context of what your company's trying to achieve so see adjust and then measure a saying about the scene piece it's really hard to get out of that mindset. We just need to get this work done. Because we're under deadlines and we have pressure from our investors and we really need to were behind the eight ball hot shift from otit to okay. Let's take the time to make sure that we're doing this right now. So there's two parts one is to realize what's the cost of doing the way the you have been doing in the past shorts more efficient in the short term to not worry about any of that stuff. That homage time do you waste in turnover in. And how much money deal all these other issues. But the other part of it is. What's the structure. What's the system that everybody's working in and when it comes to interviewing and selection when it comes to on boarding when it comes to compliance our the systems and the company inward focused. What does the company need. what do i need. Are they outward focused. How does what we do affects. Everybody who were working with. Just breaking it down. if you're building a business anyway. You need to be focused to be focused on your customer. You have to be focused on the things that are going to build the business and people are the main thing that's going to build the business so again how do we break out of this mindset. What would be the one thing that can snap somebody out of this and go okay. Maybe we should just step back for a moment and really consider hauer approaching this. It's a process. Everybody has an inward mindset. Sometimes in some situations the goal is to have it be as little as possible and as much as possible be outward so i start having these conversations to talk about understand. These dynamics like Like to recognize the reason why some people aren't thriving in our company of the reason why we have made these mistakes is because we are just focused on what we need instead of what the other people need. A good intentions aren't enough. Take a look at the systems the success metrics in your company and see how could they be focused not just on the inputs but on what is the impact and even if you do assist pretend you had a off site retreats in you spent two days looking at all the processes in your company and turning them around. That'd be a great start but it's probably not going to be enough. Because habits change people change people reminders and the easiest way to do it to walk the talk exercise and that could be once a quarter during a quarterly strategic. Planning meeting could be more frequently to simply take a moment added to the agenda of your quarterly meeting and ask for the last quarter. How are we doing. How consistent have we been in recognizing that the people we work with and the people that were bring into our company and not just the but all of our customers and everything else our suppliers everything else that we do. How consistent are we looking at them. Seeing them as people whose needs are of equal importance to our own and adjusting our efforts and measuring results to help them achieve what they need and if everybody goes around the table and they say oh. We're doing a great job. That everyone agrees. Then great. you're done you have it. Keep doing it. But it's not always great and hunky dory come on let's be person raises their hand and says there was at one time where i feel like we're gonna treating that person is an object but taking it back foundationally. It's important that companies. Really take the time in the beginning to build out their core values and build those foundational things. The company needs to build upon. because otherwise. what you're doing is you're strong sticks on a fire and hoping something burns longer. That's really what it boils down to search with an exercise rate on all the people who you're associated with your company the person you report to. Maybe you're an entrepreneur. Maybe your investors people who report to your peers and ask yourself do you know what are the most important things to these people either on a daily basis for the job as or turn if you're not sure of it ask and then get in the habit of asking them. What more could i do to help you achieve your goals and unseen how they respond when now. It's time for you to work on what the group schools are. So this is the second part where we're talking about gesture efforts to actually help them. So you're basically taking the people within your circle and saying hey look at. How can we make things better for you. Just in your efforts to measuring the results. Look at what the results have. Been the people that you bring into your company. What is turnover when they leave if you do an exit interview. What is the recent why they left. Why wasn't the company able to be the vehicle that that person needs in order to achieve their goals to thrive within the company where there is conflict with their teammates of this conflict with the person report you. What was the part that was missing that root cause analysis and then adjust the interview process and the on boarding process for the next person to make sure you get it right. You have an interesting point you brought up so it makes me think that you really need to start to listen to your people in listen to what's going on to understand and not to respond. Take the time to understand who this person is. And how can i help them. That's something that really doesn't happen interview process too much. Thirdly than taking that information in helping to connect the dots. And what i mean is value. Load every challenge that you have into that person's desires and allow them to make up their own mind whether or not they're going to be the person who's going to be able to make that impact for you at when he talked about for the challenges that you have made a list any challenge you have that involves other people make a list. What are all the parts of this problem. Where you're the solution are all the parts of the challenge where someone else's the solution and short working in complex organization need everybody to work at the same direction but to have the lorient titian that as far as i'm concerned the problem is me and just to start with that. And then what's the action that that orientation invites instead of waiting for someone else to improve their behavior. As far as i'm concerned the problem is me. What's the one thing. I could do to move this forward. Do that thing and then see what happens. Okay he'll ask. Pieces measure results. So how do we measure these results. So within the hiring context measuring the results could be from over time with play surveys. It could be with retention. How good a job as the company doing in helping the employees progress with their career in achieve their goals within the context of the company asking their appear his asking. The person that you're reporting two houses person working out is the who we want it and if the answer is yes pat yourself on the back for doing a great job and if the answer is no well then talk to him again. Talk to that manager. Talk to that employee and ask what are your needs. Challenges that objectives. How can i help you achieve those within the context of the company. And they see you reaching out to them and helping them achieve their goals. They're going to give more effort and moved from compliance to cooperation actively supporting the goals of the company. Yeah i would add a couple of other metrics. It's really important that you track interview. Experience glass door reviews in the feedback that you're getting from that interview process because if you're doing things properly and you're prepping people and you're giving them a good experience even if they're not the right person if you're listening to them and you can connect those dots for and they understand well. This isn't probably not the right role for me. The right company for me. Then it puts them in a position where they're having a good experience you're closure and then you glass door reviews which nobody writes those for working the company but the other thing would be saved time senior your interview process. I think it's really important to save the time of the people who are interviewing so they can be focused more on the more important things within the business but when somebody gets to a certain step in the interview process. Have a system checks and balances in there so that you're not going through the whole interview process with somebody and then pass it on or interviewed way too many people and don't forget about the person who's doing the interviewing as well if you're an entrepreneur manager at you've other people who hire people in your company. There's a business that work with z. Take us southwest grill. They're in v-neck. San austin texas and they have four locations and it's up to the individual general managers for each location to do all the hiring and i was talking with the coo and there was some frustrations that they weren't always hiring people. They're all sorts of mismatches so he talked about it. What is it that your general managers need. Ordinary better interviews. But they never been trained on training at a hiring process process. Since they're having your review process meeting with gm and yeah. You're not so great at hiring or there's all these problems in the store. Instead of using that review process to punish or to reward people flipping that around as an outward mindset process. Could be what do you need in order to be a better interview. What you need in order to be able to hire better and maybe it's resources like this one. You need to listen to higher power. Maybe it's having them read. Who or rick anderson. You've a book that's gonna come out soon. That's going to displace that love to hear more about that. But what are the people at the company who are doing your higher. You're doing you're on. They need in order to be successful in their. It's funny i was talking to a vp. Couple weeks back. He said to me. I've had about in my career. I've had about an hour of interview training my whole career. So that's burton's we do hire the right people in the people of the problems so we're getting pretty close on time jonathan. What would be two or three key takeaways. You can give the audience complete into the business today. I remember see other people as people with needs that are equal importance to your own. Adjust your efforts to halt shaved those goals and then measure the results. So that fees up that space reponsibility for work in the same direction. As far as i'm concerned the problem starts with me. So powerful. Ninety percent of the conflicts the drama that happens in our lives because we want other people to change if we changed. I it inspires them to do so as well and the lesson. The with people is look around your company. Look around your life. Who is someone in your. Who needs something more than you've been giving them. What is something that you can do to help them with their objectives today. Perfect well she jonathan. Thanks so much for your time investment. Today i wanna walk into the higher power radio community. What would be the best way in which members of the audience can find you. Anything you wanna plug go for it. Yeah the best place to find us on my website. Www untangled dash coaching dot com. Don't forget the dashon tickled question that come on that homepage. You will see a sign. Up sheet for my monthly free zoom workshops and i will be giving a workshop on april twenty first on this topic on our of an outward mindset how to apply it to your business and your life senate for it and i'll give you an email for additon the nice. Thank you for tuning into this week's episode of higher power. Quick thanks to our team. Brian coburn andrew ballen and illegit yard. Podcast please subscribe review and share. We're listening and we welcome your feedback after all this shows for you during the higher tower radio community higher. Hr e power pow our radio or dio dot com or drop me an email at ricketts dried search dot com next week. Our guest is going to be adam stone hawker. He is head of sales at blue rocket. Inc i'm your host gerard and you've been listening to the higher power radio show. 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Survivor | Outwit, Outplay, OutLIST | Most Iconic Individual Immunity Necklaces

Rob Has a Podcast

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Survivor | Outwit, Outplay, OutLIST | Most Iconic Individual Immunity Necklaces

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And so of course here is my co host co founder of outwit outplay outlast. Give it up for mr mike. Blue second engagement rod as they continue to outlast near will not believe which one of these immunity necklaces came from. Sears much like so yes. I have been going back and forth with sophie over these last couple of days about her sears application tape wow did you find any other key tidbits about what she did. She sent me. The video i watched the whole thing was a great. It was a great video. I think that those videos had to be only sixty seconds. Kept it very tight. Wow okay so you understand why. Maybe it didn't resonate with the audiences of these sears contests but definitely made its way to you know hit. We're really was supposed by casting team proper so island spillman said okay. We have called but we have gold here today because we are joined by. Of course mike's podcast co host. When he talks about survivor south africa and then of course the chief international survivor correspondent for rob as podcast. Please welcome shanina. Gus is here shannon. How are you. i'm good. Thank you introducing us. My podcast co host narrowed the field just going. I wonder yes all the time like. Mike is my only co-host and that's really important to me like that's released sacred and i'm just one of the many but it's fine. I said this on another podcast. Day like i have so much love to give every person and i was like nice to hear. That are another one of your many that you this mike and mike what you mean. How close are we to the full on brand steal of all of your podcast coasts. Are we there yet. I mean. I might have to like recuse my silver. I don't know of. I feel like that's going to be literally a worse case scenario for me. Yeah all my friends and brands steal. This is how friendships are broken. Virtually through actions that are not of the people that are playing to be an australian survivor. Brand steel co hosts the survivor historians in there. Get my wife and could choose like my co life partner right to. You didn't know the accurate. Actually co host clammy and she goes to podcasts together. See there's a. there's a voluminous list. But that being said maybe that's another outwith. Hopefully get rank all podcast. Komo's that's wonderful. That'll be the last podcast. I ever do that all right so today. We're gonna be talking about survivor's most iconic immunity necklace is Mike us what was your criteria for connick immunity necklaces right so so to serve typified a narrow the field unlike revealing that my co host is on the podcast here as to what we're doing here we're talking immunity necklaces. We are not talking immunity. Idols we are not talking tribe immunity. Idols we are talking. You've won an individual immunity in survivor. Congratulations spin ingrained jefferson. Put this necklace on you. That's what we're talking about today. And obviously we had forty to choose between. I cut that less right in half and narrowed it down to twenty stilled is twenty. Probably the most interesting designs in survivor chemistry internet necklaces. Her good and for bad. So are we talking about their aesthetic purposes or things that happen to these particular necklaces. Or but it's a good question. Because i do think one of the onus of this podcast served coming in talk about our own criteria for ranking these types of things because i mean there probably are some associated memories with some of these things as well like oh i can remember when this stop put around so and so's neck more i mean for instance spoiler alert the survivor micronesia. Necklace will not be in this podcast but it has associated memories right considering that it's something that era gave away it showed up on another season and became an idol in ghost. Island is not on this list because it became an idol and idols aren't part of the list. I mean from an aesthetic perspective is just sort of like by is already so cool twenty. I made a liberty. It's tough to say top twenty again because there are some objectively not very good. Okay good good. We embrace the controversy and the interaction here on. Outwit outplay outlets. They way with the your yes we do. We do agent. That's what we're looking for here. We create it here in the survivor off season. Of course last time out. We went through shannon. Can you believe we talked about survivor's most iconic product placements something that is near and dear to my heart international product place. That's that's the thing. I'd i'd met him requests when i posted that subject like you gotta do bios rapid and it's like a i can't i couldn't do without shannon killed you bio strath taste like garbage water that came from electrons. Is this locally galaxy like we're not we're not actually we think that might remember. Oh yeah right. I forgot i. That was my persona because people were talking to product placement people on africa reunion. And they like. We're really a fan of what we were doing. Like i guess no. The thing is bad. Press right over that. We tested it and like this differently. Gagged on piker voted response. But i guess it is bette midler a policy but yeah unfortunately maybe another time we can embrace because even outside of that we have. What like hungry. Jack's for australia. We had pizza hut for new zealand. So there's lots of international sponsors out there also shannon speaking international survivor. You just had a interesting podcasts. That you filed a with a dirty harry this week yes. I'm trying to start a actually. Harry came to me with his insights from playing two seasons on the search again. We wanted to dig into you know when you like. They had a good social game. What does that mean mass aid. You would say that about like really different types of players. Will we kind of dug into this specifics of that. And like to Gaining weight the section into that criteria for that so it couldn't be more different to this. It was just like isis strategy. If you want to check out and this is like meaningless women is this is this is like a charity as providing incredibly strategic and valuable yeah philosophical meals and we are like the orioles sunday that comes in. Harry knows a thing or two about ice cream dessert. So all full circle right now but i just wanted to say as well like. I'm hoping to do a bit of a game theory off season series and kind of dig into those strategic topics. Detained by us has any ideas of what they'd like to hear discuss like reach out to the on social media and then we can provide like a bit of a serious saliva being to again this absolute nonsense like this space with both okay and having. Yes happy to have you here. Check that up. Rob his website dot com or in our international subscriber. Podcast feed. okay all right. Mike want to get things started today. Absolutely so as russ thanks i. This is a very visual pot. We're going to try our best to describe them. I might throw that onto rob who are not bras. But i assuming you can do a pretty good job giving descriptions here they go on someone's chest so it's a similar exercise and actually there might be one in here. That is more raw than you might be so lucky that have a cursory knowledge of because otherwise i would be very offended right now shaded that yes as part of a game night one to win lose or bra was a game that was played where we had to come up with the prices of women's undergarments that were selected by hannah. Little nessin yes. Who again might have make an appearance in a in a manner of speaking in this podcast but suffice it to say if you're watching the video version of this no problem will have the guys to follow along with but if you wanna check these out for yourselves and you are on. The going cannot watch a video. Just go to bit dot l. y. slash outlets necklace bit dot l. wia slash out list necklace. And they're gonna get access to all of the necklaces that we are going to be talking about today so you can have a nice easy guide and give your own assessments as we tier and rank all of these necklaces. And this psalm it okay all right so mike. What is our first item up forbids. So we're going to go in chronological order here. I mean shannon was speaking a pure nonsense. Let's start with an item of pure nonsense. We're going back to the very beginning. We're going back to survivor. Borneo now look. There is a lot that is for lack of a better term jank about survivor borneo and one of them might be by comparison to the aesthetics of survivor nowadays the immunity necklace back. Then they called it. The immunity talisman rob or those at home just listening along. How would you describe the borneo immunity necklace. The borneo immunity necklace. Looks like something that my five year old potentially made in arts and crafts is a kind of a rectangle that has been looks like fingerpainted loosely resembling a face and not just any face of face which appears to be an unhappy face. There's a little bit of like a mr potato head red nose in the center and then it is adorned on the necklace strap by various seashells. Exactly so yeah. This was the first ever immunity necklace that was given out. of course. i think this was a place to start not only because is iconic being the first immunity necklace. But i do think. In retrospect it's it's a aesthetic. Leave something to be desired Okay it is ugly. Kit is part of the first survivor season Shed any particular thoughts that job for the survivor. Borneo immunity necklace. I appreciate the lack of this. I think that's ballsy in your first season to come out with something bad as if it was like. What do we have right in front of us and paint our seniors a rockall of stone and from shelves we can find on the beach so they clearly just kind of cobbled together. I couldn't bring in the department from la. And i appreciate that I think they could rest on. How good the game was and how good the show was that. You know without meeting to have something really visually appealing something. That luke really impresses. And i think that's fake. They had on the show. And i think that i'm impressed by that. I mean obviously it's chronic necklace. Fifty million people watch richard hatch. Give this up in a move. That was iconic in terms of the evolution of strategy. And it's yet still so that should be commended. Richard gave it up because it was so ugly. I don't know where he missed on day. Thirty eight gimme. The orange. slice issued an epic dance. One time when he got it so that he necessarily thought it was That ratchet looks. It looks literally painful that the shelves established so sad. Wouldn't want to win. I am concerned about the the mood of the totem. That is on this talisman. I can understand. 'cause mark burnett. If you read. His book was very much into like the cultural basis of this. We are a tribe we are you know in graining ourselves into the culture and the nature of pulau tiga. And i guess you're trying to go for like a very thala m- stern totem. But it looks like you don't want grumpy cat sitting around your neck. Yeah the one immunity williams or gary blowfish face exactly fish. Why does the resting bitch face. So not only doesn't have an unhappy face but it also has a very like furrowed orange brow which i don't really get because if anything the immunity idol should be like these smiley face emoji right. Exactly oh my god. i'm safe. maybe it's more. So that the immunity like the totem. For god it's glasses and it's like trying to read the votes from faraway early far away. It's like what is that. Is that jay for jenna. Happy to be there. I guess so. This is the first time through for us. So i guess let's talk through this exercise so i've described the fedex. It is part of a iconic season for sure. I don't know if there are too many Particularly memorable moments that take place with the immunity necklace in season. One of borneo syria micronesia. One on the list. Yeah but just. Because mike's criteria shot it doesn't mean that's ours now my is all they might've please please. Let's it's the one and it's also like it's we just spent fifteen minutes talking about how ugly it is. That seems iconic to me in a manner of speaking. Yeah i for me tie up. Just because i feel like yeah. They put no time into it because they were putting time into crofting. Lifted the greatest game with my lifetime appreciative. Imagine if this was better than epic but then like there was no jury how we forgot something alternate reality. We have time to the kind of work out. The structure of the game will make this monstrosity. And it's not good so obviously they spend a lot of time thinking about survivor. I'm grateful that i couldn't hide the what that represents. Okay all right so we're going to get out our list and we're going to place it in one of our four tiers. Mike you describe the tears again for our listeners right so we have the same ford tears that we did last time going from top to bottom. We have worth playing for which means best of the best. This is a necklace worth playing for. Next down is my life is fine. This means this is pretty good too. Okay eight no. hershey bar means. It's not great but it's not the worst of the worst of the worst. The worst is to echo the great crystal cox. Forget you go home goodbye. Gts necklace yes. Okay all right so it here. We are with our first necklace and it's a little bit of a challenge for me to pick it out from the pile of necklaces before a memory test which is unchallenged within itself all right so which tier we drop this off at. This is a good question. And this is where. It's going to come down to us for aesthetic verses like value slash memora- -bility because i think if you're judging purely aesthetic it has to be forget you go home goodbye because this is just like the the face it is making. I think shows how much pain it is to be a necklace in particular. But if you incorporate that it's part of the first season it might raise its stock a little out of that bottom tier removing having so much fun just dragging it around. Where's it going to go. Yeah i've seen my life is fine for it. I think my life is fine for the first immune necklace survivor. Borneo immunity necklace. Let's see where if it gets pushed down from the the thing is well. We're going to do a bit of an audit at the end to move stuff up or down depending on how everything else says. Well okay all right you take. This will continue to kill me. The whole. Let's bring in our second necklace. Mike what do we have to look at next. Let's stick with the odd as we go to the next odd-numbered season. We are going to survivor. Africa season three. I've always called this one like the color forms necklace. I dunno shannon if you had color forms in australia but it is it is one of the only like fabric necklaces that we that we have in this list and it is an image that i will always remember personally. Do you know what color forum is doing. I don't know what it is. What is it so color forms were sort of like. They're sort of like plastic stickers. He had like plastic stickers but they were like claiming so they weren't like stickers stickers. You could like throw them onto like a place mat to do to play with them as a kid. So this is what this sort of reminds me of like a little piece of plastic. You would get in a kit and like throw onto you know. You're you're like polly pocket kit that you got for christmas. Yeah so if i was going to stand what it is so to describe what this is for our listeners at home like imagine like a big like. It's kind of like a almost like a something that you would throw on your lawn. That would be like a big like Nerf frisbee with a hole in the middle with a little bit of a stem underneath it so And then sort of like a little bit of a try. Triangles jutting out from the inner circle. It's a weird sort of like skin tag at the bottom in particular but yeah. This is definitely the australia. One is not necessarily anything to to write home about. But this is something that i always sort of remembered ninety nine for the shape of it but because it's cloth like i do have images in my head like elect swearing it and it being very warped and floppy what you don't necessarily expect from immunity necklaces. Do you think. Intensive terms of comfort like awarding points for that because while like the borneo. One as i said. Really painful Hokey like this could provide warm. Yes by comfortable feel like this could be going on a long flight a neck pillow to maybe help you get. Yeah and then. We're going to so many flights and saliva africa. So that's the sure if you're looking for some sort of warmed comes. This could provide that kind of winning reward rights. You really have an extra desire to go for this because this is how you sleep at night. Now drought i mean if it's cloth like you've kind of folded up like a pillow so i mean there's some kind of jewel purpose to it. I think she'd be rewarded might ugly but is there a clasp in the back or do you have to stick your head through the whole. I believe there is a class in the back. I don't think like big. Tom with the toilet and i remember that water at yes. Yes so okay big. Tom mcginnis to stick his head through the whole of this necklace. I believe he did. Actually i think one one immunity challenge or something car so he say he has his experience for sticking through. I do believe there was a a clasp in the back. From from what i remember. I don't think you have to. I mean god help anyone who has the big head that gets there. It turns into a headband. Instead of a necklace ethan. Sure because i think that if jeff having to hold it and someone was kinda Head through an unfailing. Even that to me would win. Points with just like i wanna say probably edited out but it would be really funny in the moment yup but has offerings boring again. The greatest jeff. Could you like a ring. Toss for somebody of the wins again. Just throws it on their head. That would be one hell of a shot. They'd ended up. Jeremy could do it. Yeah yeah exactly. I was gonna say like that. Leave that to the professionals. Alright so should we put this on the board ours. This is my immunity. What would you even call this a necklace. I mean it by the neck latest. Find something that goes around. The neck is a necklace is high. We re frame this woman. This is very very community clip on tie. Yes okay. 'cause we've we've determined has like if you're gonna have like a lobster dinner the lobster reward you get demeter necklace. He put it around you. Wipe any butter on it. I'm telling you there's a lot to be done with this like nothing. They knew necessarily need on survivor africa. Okay all right so time to place it on our list okay. Will it be better or worse than the survivor borneo idaho. Let's go ahead and take a look here all right so our our immunity bib. Is it better or worse than than the borneo nicholas. Because like now i would have initially said worse but i think we've talked up more so than maybe it was worth instead of having to all of them. I don't know if it's if it's i might be a little bit better than portia. Whatever big audit good. I co-signed that warning. One is the reason we have the jury format Quitting here that your create more. Well we were going to spend another couple of hours working on the immunity idol but we decided instead to put that time into developing the jury system. I don't even. I thought that we were here to do something ridiculous that we would give meaning to is is alive of borneo. Ugly immunity necklace is the reason we have a jury and that should put it above and immunity bib or let me renaissance. Here's my kennan Without an immunity bib. If while eating a war they might have gotten barbecue sauce over themselves. In which case lions would have snuck into their camp and devoured them whole so theoretically. That necklace has saved tens of lives tens of glads more important than the jury format of mike. I think juries can sometimes outnumber tens of people technically speaking. But i mean that's that's a sort of a would you rather. Would you rather have people to general trolley problem. Our cancelled alive if that had happened. Because that will tip my my my feelings on it okay. So it was unity. Babe they all get killed by lions and survivors tasseled and instead season you have made compelling mike and because of the all right well okay. Let's live a little. Yeah come on come on let loose. Yes okay good and the muny. Bib could have prevented whoo from barbecue sauce. All over everything one those ribs in the auction. Yeah the necklaces. So immaculate fat dip of that pip all right. let's keep going. Mike stop in our immunity necklace tour. Pretty shortstop actually. Because we're going to the very next season. This was pointed out to me by justin. Feinberg put the The call out for responses on the rap has patrons facebook group. I've forgotten that these survivor murder cases. Idol is what it is which is surprisingly like bulky and a little garish in. Its own right as well. So we're going to keep on keeping on with these old school necklaces. Okay listeners but also describe it to me you can. Yeah all right so. Let's take a look at this. Mike this just the bottom of the necklace zero like a talisman at the bottom. So it's sort of it's sort of what the mister frowny face was in borneo right. There's there's usually like a center thing at the necklace and in this case that is this thing. Okay so that is that. Is this thing it looks like that. It is a little wooden tiki at the bottom of a necklace. It has a floppy ears like a dog but big is with very tiny pupils. Like an owl. It appears to have a moustache and then it looks like a face that is like a new and then all the way down by the bottom there is a tiny ball bearing which. I'm not sure what that really represents behind. Yeah and looks like minded lee. Yeah legs which are jutting out very tiny legs all right so all all out insane. He described as acting. I will say what of course. We're all thinking this thing. Looks like a sex toy. How how did you come to that conclusion. I'm so interested to hear process the shape and also i do this. I mean listen. Everyone has their own. Yuck anyone's a young people like there's various ways you could use this for. I do worry about what seems to be like to piercing black and red talents coming curling around insides. You warning about it because it's not six that's why it has talons. This is a weird. Like kai merrill like animals slash totem as rob as describing it. I completely forgotten about this until i looked back at this image. Yeah just want have been this. Because it was described by rob as like an animalistic multi animal kind of you know form and in my described as a sex toy. Unlike kind of one of those things are true. Thinking of that at yeah i. I'm hating this now. It jess okay. All right so we know how shannon feels about this. I guess let's place this one on to our list. It is not memorable. I think one of the criteria for me is if i can close my eyes and think back to the season and remember what the necklace looks like i being this could basically be. We could find out after the podcast is over. Hey i totally pranked you guys. This was not even real immunity necklace. Found this on. I found this on the this was ashes project he put together so the dog sex toy luck. Please don't call it a talk. Sex door off them. Both together is but it. But now that you're looking at it. That is what it is right so this is why. I'm thinking that we should throw this in a fire. Started in the fire. All right so let's go ahead and see if we can place it. I feel like i know where shannon thinks it should go a shannon. Is this the correct placement. In the forget you go home. Goodbye tier i think so like even though it has unintentionally created new game idle sex toy think is fine and maybe something we should be looking at as we go through the list. I do think the analyst equality of it everything we've talked about and you know the ball bearing y you know that just seems like it will make it heavy center of gravity though from flopping this you don't wanna lose your balance carrying around. That is the ultimate faux pas. We voting. I totally agree though. I think this unfortunately hits the weird sort of diagram of it's not memorable and it really is just horrific and it's ratchet is so it is it's large too. That's the thing is that it's okay. So lengthy compared to even though as much as we talk about getting a frowny face talisman it is relatively smaller compared to like this thing which looks like it measures. Probably about seven or eight inch awards. And i want you to. I want you to stop talking. I wanna move on marquesses the season. Okay all right. I heard of ju- purkis but i don't wanna get into the general back on the line after talking with okay. All right mike. Where's our next stop is going gonna go in terrifies me. Don't worry shannon. We are going someplace comfortable because we are going to the necklace out of his entire bunch. That rob has experienced mike. That you skip thailand. I feel like that that was a particularly memorable. Like good gold. Just like half a hubcap necklace. There's gonna be some later on. I think evoke a similar type of thing so it almost bucket landon spirit plus if we do a follow up but we do the other twenty eight. I mean we gotta have some ringers in there as well okay. My system was really bad. I only pick the ones that looked most like sex toy. We have established this now. All right so look. How does your brain gets these places anyway. All right let's go ahead and talk about the necklace near and dear to my heart. It's the just one time literally here. Is the survivor. The amazon immunity necklace here is in mint condition. Did not end up that way. This is the only immunity necklace which is destroyed during the season of survivor. it got burnt in the fire. I believe that if you're taking a look at this i will. I'll i'll describe it by about a good twenty five percent of the immunity necklace get burnt in the fire. I believe that occurred on my watch. I believe that i was given a brand new pristine immunity necklace and i do believe that it got the actual chris. It was on it was on heidi and once that was that was really the. It was a curse immunity necklace at that point. Once it got passed around okay all right so the immunity necklace for survivor. The amazon first off. You're going to start off if you want to build this at home. Start off with Gluing a bunch of animal teeth to or rope. Okay step one then Also get like a big animal bone and putting like hanging down from the center around the outer lining and assortment of green feathers and then jutting out from the center a assorted bunch of red feathers sticking out super six red feathers sticking out so rob talked me about what it was like to wear. This thing like wasn't obtrusive. Was it like did. I mean 'cause obviously with feathers i can imagine it's it's a bit itchy. If it like you know what touches you in a certain way so that it was. I do not bother me. I rather enjoyed wearing it. You know the problem. Is i if i look back that i know you had a picture of me with the immunity necklace so i was wearing a green t shirt which i actually came to hate because earlier in survivor the amazon. We had a challenge where i had my arms tied behind my back and i'm had to for ten fifteen minutes work at ripping off of large pieces of beef off the were dangling from a hook and if only i would have had some sort of a garment that would have protected my shirt during that time it would have kept the barbecue sauce off of my shirt from smelling so terribly for the remainder of time. I would have it until it would then get burned in the fire you went through with. I have asked questions before. I could kind of rank it. So that's the first thing is just four idols into this. Not the idol that i would have chosen to burn in the file. That's a bit unfortunate. But i'm gonna ask these materials real because if so it looks like they murdered just like a whole bunch of animals to get this as a vegetarian. I co-signed i don't suspect the art department murdered any animals to make okay. That's good to know. I would not things. Don't believe bunch of animals do not believe that animal sacrifice was involved with any of the productions of the immunity idol. But i cannot say otherwise. Joanna war would have had an even bigger problem with idols than she did in the game Yeah that would be good the fact that you wanted. That's high up. Niro i love. I love that's one of my favorite movies in saliva history. Well you want but also like matteo loss because he thought he had a crush on a good. It's a great show. John aesthetically particularly great immunity necklace. I think there's going to be one coming up that for lack of a better term. I do feel like this. One walks so that one could fly speaking. I do think there is some acknowledgment. Here is like the first one. And i do think this is also one of the first one that like calls to the cultural aesthetic as well and it really just feel like you're whether or not you're pulling from wildlife and you know birds that are found within the jungles of the amazon rainforest. That may not be anywhere else. Okay all right. Let's see if we can place this on the board as we try to figure out where it where it should go all right. So let's take a look at our list of immunity necklaces and figure out what tier should've gone in. The first question is is it better than the mark acis What we call the dsp and it's called back nikon change things. Maybe we should have gotten rid of the jury system. I wouldn't spend more time making sure that these things that it come out this way. Okay all right now we can start ranking. What is more important. This jury system idols prevent people from being voted or not creating excellence. Okay so it's better than thirty minutes into those all right yup better than the do we move it up to the hershey bar tier i. I really like this one. I just for me like this is just a negro animal mode. Because that's really gonna make a difference to me but just as they did not murder an animal that i generation assure you that i can't say if the feathers are real or not but i i do not believe that the bones are real okay. So that makes a difference for me humbling. the i should just. I think there should be i. Well okay. I mean that historically that it did get a have a memorable moment of that. It was nearly burnt to a crisp in the fire. Point this is the first one to be passed off to somebody else which will make for more. I comic moments in survivor. And as you didn't put the micronesia one on the list but that's something also can. I make a request to our listeners. Could i get a meme of how. It's go in versus now with the immunity necklace from the amazon before it was burnt. And then after. I love it. That's a perfect microcosm like screwed. This is fine dog. i think this is the new. Yes also yes. We get the The this is fine in survivor amazon camp as wearing the necklace find dog in the amazon down. This is fine dog sex toy yes okay. Someone's jumping into the podcast. Now jumping in thirty seven minutes explode cast against the here if you're just joining us. We're talking with mike. Bloom and shannon gusts. It is six o'clock pacific time here as we're going through our top four necklaces in survivor. History all right. I mean this is ridiculous for someone to jump into a podcast but it's not ridiculous that we've coined dogs toyota something. That's clearly going to be part of the less ridiculous. That's ridiculous ridiculous. People start at least start podcast at the beginning Best you could hope for. Somebody fell asleep. Woke up just now. Go back to sleep. Which is weird as dreams. Sorry about the dreams. Sorry okay all right. Let's look at our next chronological immunity necklace and we'll go one season later into survivors future. Yeah i mean look. I don't want to put the cart before the horse here. This is going to be away. My number one necklace of the entire series. That we're doing here. It is the pearl sword and scabbard. But is it the necklace necklace. Bib necklace is italian necklace. Selena yes the the. Go round your neck. Does this go around your neck. It can tighten the well that let's see. Sharon is the immunity sword necklace. What is the necklace you know. I think long enough into the podcast. Now we can ask that question. What defines necklace. This is something that you would wear like kind of across your chest. Yes if you wanted to. You could wear it around your neck. It would be uncomfortable but you could do that. And i have to agree with my. This is my clinic. This is probably one of the only necklaces in voted comments. That you could show me. I would know what season it's wrong. Heavily leans into maybe the best team in survivor history. Such conceptual it's a weapon. Which was a weird choy. And not only that. It's to weapons is for god and this picture approved the only sort. Apparently there's a missile a dangerous. It's also a terrible toy if that's how we're ranking themes now And i still think just utilize conic nece which is list like you put it really haya. Yeah ok does the sword come out and then there's the pistol come out. I don't know if these were usable weapons. We'd have to converse. I guess like ask you. Ask rupert or ask sandra sandra number. One it if rupert which is another reason why it's iconic right because he was one of the first to win the next of course. The pirate the consummate pirate in the pirate season gets the sword in raises it in triumph. But yeah i would be intrigued to see if these were real cutlasses and pistols that. They were think the fact that little wasn't pushed to like a fool murder spree yukon achieves weapon. Why do you think that. I don't know how to use this gone. What you ever dance with the devil in the pale little has that forgotten little has the sharpshooter badge. She was nearly on top shot. With colby season mike witch survivor pearl islands character. Would it be most surreal to see them. Draw the pistol definitely darah. What did she say. She seems agitated. She is definitely wants something. Or or to krista i shit yeah all right. So let's place the the sword and the gun boy. You could play a game of clue with these survivor. Islands day distracted themselves all the live long day playing clue on the beaches of the pearl islands. Okay all right and you also including it's pretty good. That's androgen and win it. Because i could just kind of like belting johnny fascinated with the times. Yup i mean should they have given these people weapons whereas the election about this. You know you guys have a s. I was gonna say is that what does that. Stay for occupational health and safety. I don't think so. I don't think. America in aachen sounds promising. Okay all right. So better than d. s. t. i will definitely better than d. s. T. i mean i'll i'll just throw it out there. I think this has to be topped yard. An okay number. One with a bullet for the pro-life alliance pistole and it's an idol. Forget you go goodbye sex toy and now we're doing boys of the rankings. You can't stop it okay. It is by far the most unique. This is the only necklace to outright be links. Clear exactly exactly at broke the mold from that perspective. We never see it again. Also one hundred percent. No animals will haunt making leather strategy. I don't like that we're take just a quick break from ranking survivor's most iconic immunity necklaces. But we are very fortunate to have woman who knows about fine jewelry here with us in the studio. The first lady of podcasting nicole nicole favourite most iconic survivor immunity necklace. 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Palau and that survivor palau was a very sharp focus season and not just because they were being caught but it was a theme in the aesthetic of the season and that gets included here on the individual immunity necklace. Which i think is simple but very hard hitting okay to our podcast listeners. We have what appears to be a one half of a shark's mouth of filled with teeth from side to side of very sharp a potential. Do not touch on the underside of the shark jaw. There are more like more shark teeth. Perhaps a bigger shark that line. The bottom of that there are Beads that adorn of both sides of the necklace of to sort of a soccer ball looking beads followed by two orange beads and topped off by. Be that one mistake for a blueberry. Maybe they did it. They got hungry. Enough Okay so someone choke to death ethic of this is a little simplistic in. Its design doesn't nearly as many baubles and trinkets as a lot of the stuff that we're going to talk about but that being said it's a half of a frigging shark's jaw. It's a real shot. Joe i would imagine i don't know actually i hate. I don't mind that. I think it is yeah. I don't know you make fake shark. Jaw was actually. This is a real shot. Joe right but i could imagine it something where they go to a dive shop and if they had like know shark bones lang because i can imagine these are also like like these are things that tourists might want to hang from their walls as well which i hate that adds to the overall assessment of this. But it's definitely a striking image. You know this is definitely one that i remember as well considering that like you're wearing a mouth around your mouth for lack of a better Yeah i haven't gone in a pro so my client is that it wasn't a alive. A tribe immunity was just like a kind of against like immunity before hood. Immunity was actually speaking of sores. Believe one of the australian survivor. Immunity was a sword last season. Yeah they always eunice not great in terms of these idols but So i think this donnelly will might miss. My pro is at least smiling. You like unlike the team happy. But that's only because of how it's hung it could be upside down and be a frown. But it's not that upside down because it's being murdered to have this necklace. I the one element that i question is the choice of deciding to line the bottom of the jaw with more shark teeth. You know if it's not really in line if you're trying to go for the aesthetic of shark jaw also have teeth outside of like it's yo dog. I heard you like shark. Yeah you shop. I to piss on because i was thinking. Beads were a little unnecessary. Like you've got sharp teeth and you have kroft beads that you would get in like children's play kit. So do you think if you took out the beads redesigning you take out the bottom shock and you just have that really singular shock. Joel that would be like. I think it would have quite a presence about it right. So interestingly enough we talked about being one of the more simplistic ones. It's too complicated. Short teeth have made it too. Garish personally for me. I don't love the idea of Jagged shark teeth are right around my jugular but that's very true. Europe sharpen them. I guess maybe depending if was someone they did like they might have sharpen them up before giving them over. Okay all right and it's still not as dangerous and some of the other ones we've seen Is dangerous as the sword and pistol does not. This is not good for the vegetarian. Me so i'm not going to put it through by. I don't think a lot of thought went into the design. Okay thoughtful desire even more so about okay. Is john on the jury despite the fact to the jury all right. Let's see where we actually place this. And so i guess the first Competition it's going to run into here. Is it better lower than our friend. The marquesses D. s. t. We're abbreviated for for the family. Friendly version and then you've also got sat's energy s twine which combination of those letters. I enjoy more okay. So i think i definitely think this is better. I think my question is should. It be bumped eight no hershey bar. 'cause i think it's definitely the borneo africa. You know amazon trio shannon. You think it's so bad that it should be right. Next to the ratchet dsp. I think it should be a hershey bar. Owner bryce extra purposes inside the box. Bad sex toys ashore line. I think that what else is giving you other than i think. It's a really cool idea that when you take a closer look at it is maybe not as executed as effectively as as you might think. Okay all right. So yes t fan favorite dogs x. Certain fans okay. All right it's actually. Fdic community threat. You lord. All right. We're gonna move into the very next season here. We are not bed hopping to too much because we're going to go to survivor. Guatemala and we are talking about a very interesting necklace that again. I forgot about until it was brought up but it is. I mean essentially if you know if i called the african union necklace the pillar forms idle. This is the candy necklace. I okay all right. Well put my. Let's describe it for our listeners. At home okay We have here. It is looks like Some sort of a green You know color me. mine piece That somebody made It is kind of like a medusa face who is making a very unhappy. Look kinda has like a ears jutting out from the side of it wearing orange lipstick it really does not look happy at all wearing totally red. Not orange yeah. I'm wearing some sort of a helmet with sort of a big circles. Sticking out of the center third eye of sorts Coming out of there. There's also a part that juts out of the head and the trip. That's part of the helmet. And then as mike mentioned that there are a number of blue beads That make up the necklace. Part of this That look like that. Maybe another world could be candy pieces if you wanted to bite into it and if someone try judd did surrogate imagine boarding one yesterday in candy if the border nichols was sad like this necklace is horrified like this necklace scene. But it's family died. It's it seems them. Stop absolutely which given given the ultimate fate of the maya do that does make sense Yeah okay mike. I don't know what to do with this necklace. I see this. Yeah this is why. I wanted to bring it up because it's such an interesting talking because what i remember is like as a necklace. It's actually not very good. Like i remember it. Actually being very flimsy and actually not very easy to get on and off during survivor. Guatemala doesn't even work as a necklace. I'm just so astounded by again like choice to surround each and every inch of it with beads. What the shark necklace damage was just create. That the don't hint of beads using it like three or four piece. This is feeling the entire thing sizing up in particular all the way around which is just a a weird choice and again the nineties kennedy cannot help but go back to like those disgusting candy necklaces. That people would show and just leads. Doggies legends of the hidden temple. That's that is. Why do we definitely get an olmec. Vibe does seem like one of the things that you would go for as the temple. Guards pop scare. You definitely do think this nickless that we've seen of all the ones being seem so far more likely to be like a cursed object. That's your to trigger something very close to happen. They be like they didn't make this necklace. Did they like because how they've done acting like they just go off like a tourism engine gortat straight. Yeah you think. They're going to sort of like shops at the airport. On the way to actually pretty sure there was a young art director by the name of peter brady who the jungle and decided to take it back to camp with him. Okay all right. Let's take a look at our list and let's see where where this ends up going. This is such a. It's such a weird one. And i think we need to figure out why we're weirdness or falls with an old the okay so here is definitely though and she didn't get points for like some other ones necklaces better than stay. Yes this call this this also. I think it's some buffers in that lush. The shark jaw at like has caused the theme of the season as wellness specific location. Like i don't think we're going to have any other seasons. That have a maya totem on it. Okay get to the no hershey bar here. Justin e okay shark draw. I think that's a good place. I i think that the shark draw is something. I remember more like again much like a production regards. Guatemala up until last season Sort of forgotton. I think in the annals of survivor history and so i think it does make sense if it gets a little bit of a hit because it is interesting looking but i do think it unfortunately does not necessarily reverberate in the minds of survivor viewers the biased or or the mayans and plus aesthetically. It's it's just a has some questionable choices behind it. Okay all right so let's go ahead and look at our next necklace. Mike what is it all right. Well we're still going to keep on going through consecutive seasons here. We're going to season twelve and remember we said about simplistic aspects and these early. Immunity necklace is that is out the window. Much like one world which we are not talking about we are going to survivor panama. I'm gonna call this the z. Z. top beard says because this thing goes like all the way down to your belly button. Okay all right. Let's take a look at this one. We have here. This is okay. We're going to start with a imagine. A wire circle necklace. Okay still that up with beads then on top of that. Let's throw some animal bones on there and then in yeah in the centre gets sort of like a Like tiny doll which with like a baby doll head with some sort of a stick figure body coming out of that and then just beads beads beads all over the place. And then also you wanna have a lot of string and fabric coming down from this. This looks like something you might see somebody wearing at burning man Only wearing that at burning it could cover a lot of body mass. I mean that's a green catches gernon has also. I believe that the like a theme. That wasn't really focused on in survivor. Exile island was like a zombie. Be much i would imagine. That little headed might be like shrunken head for example. Like if you remember the the hidden immunity all that season was a shrunken head. So maybe this is sort of like like you see some bones in there. I don't know if those are human bones or animal bones or fake bones. Lying the top. There so i think they're trying to go for this like voodoo witchdoctor type of type of aesthetic here. Try and look at the facial reaction of the 'cause like what he she seems quite a piece go-slow not happy at all traumatize like the last one. I think this is definitely a cursed necklace. As well and i would also say pick a lane you go coastal all you go animal bones. All you go tons of beads all you go to launch censoring but d- do all four. You do all of those things no i think. I think this has to be probably the most like cumbersome necklace. We're going to experience here. Because of the pure leith of it like i cannot imagine having to wear this around like i would. I would definitely hang this up a camp and leave it. Be for like the rest of the three days until i have to back it. It just seems like top to wear around. Is this my immunity necklace or is this a new tarp. Yeah very true but to that point this also might be one of the like you could see like you said she didn't like this has a dream catcher vibe to it. I could also see this being some sort of necklace. Like it's an extreme neck universal wearing this i could see someone wearing like extreme version of this is us down to a certain extent or anything turn around. It should be the immunity cape. You're a superhero. Now like that. It's like this is alan. This is exile exiling so basically always carries only ally for exactly that was his best friend out there and you crazy one in that much like the shark john. Only two people wore this necklace over the course of the season so even if there were complaints around wearing it only two people to experience it in the first place. Okay all right. Let's take a look at it on the big board to see where it should go. This is going to be. This is going to be another interesting one because it is certainly memorable like i do remember just how gargantuan i remember it memory for these things. How does not kind of like the question really is what is not memorable for. Mike bloom almost every moment in survivor. History that at a moment's recall the point. It doesn't make it doesn't mean anything anymore. When you say memorable my my who'd be like it's never incredibly tiny detail it'd just like i can seven of episode four hybrid south pacific anymore. It's not memorable. I have a different scale than other people. could it be worse than the s. t. No i don't think so. I think i think what this has going. Board is definitely above the dsp. I guess does. This ain't no hershey bar tier to me. Okay i i. I don't know i might. I'm trying to figure out how this how this compares with with ten and eleven. We have all these in a row. Are they all going to finish in a row as well. I just think we have qualified the forget. You go home goodbye. Tier so strongly as the dog. Sex toy that you'd have to be like really bad to get to that levels of me just by not being that you kind of get up. Don't almost beats on tier. That's becoming difficult me so i would put it a hershey bar. They good at you do it in this little lost in a moment she. It's fine doesn't really do much for me. shipping my life. It's fine well. No no hershey bar is y mean rob is fine. Basically yeah yeah. But they're in ascending order shannon. That's what you have to remember exactly. Yeah okay let's take a look at our next necklace that you've found my okay. Ooh what's this all right so we're going do not cook islands but cook islands to that is to say survivor fiji. And of course it's appropriate rob that you had dreams heard on talking t-bird the other day because this heard they hit that this necklace he oh so controversial one and did not choose to give up at the final four. This is one reason why unfortunately thailand sort of bit the death this one because it's is sort of like a more spooky version of thailand. This is just. I mean robin williams described. This is just straight teeth. Straight up seagal teeth. Yeah giant teeth that imagine the ice spiders from the recent episode of the mandalorian of put that around your neck. What this yeah. This is a lot of really bad sex toys or a really great night. If you're going to invite certain people over hey you can fight so many friends. Oh how we may. You explained by clarify. I don't i don't know if they might be tusks. I said there might be life or theme going on here. And i was like what whose teeth of those But it looks like teach because there are so many literally that right. It's like a giant smile or frown. Depending on which way it is and i do feel that it contributed to some animal up a lot of animal again. I don't enjoy Oh pokey and nodule perf has no one from it and it's just like hokkien. You probably loud. When you're walking around like a cat with the bell a lot of like of these things bumping into each other we that means you can really people wanna get down and dance to medicaid a real cambone type of thing. Yeah vigilant he would end up just like with scott salute the your body. They're sort of dull down a bit. Tell your i I would also say that's an assumption for sure that gave a sword as an immunity necklace. I mean that's true as well. Maybe it's every seven seasons they put in a weapon. You know just to mix it up a little. Yeah exactly. I do think out of probably all not only the necklaces talking all necklaces. This might be the most minimalistic because again like there's there's no additional things they just took teeth slash tusk of different sizes and put them around a rope and said tie this around your neck. This is what you wear now. When you're say okay all right. Is it up so high. It's like your it's like. The whole thing is toss. Yeah that's the thing is there's not much tilt sorta like. There's no dangled to it. I do remember that it pretty much like it's like a choker at does go around her neck. This is like indifference next thing. Let's look at the list. Let's see what's going on here. Okay all right. Let's bring up our list and talk about our jian tusk necklace. Okay all right. So the question is will it surpass the marquesses d. s. t. To me does. But i don't know the guest to the next year interesting so you think it's still might be forget you go home goodbye. I just think like when you're creating a necklace like this like who would want to wear this like they just straight troll wanted by. I like it's punishing the contestants jerry so hot reliable but if i may argue the case for it it's different. They went outside the box that i feel like that. It is certainly memorable. Yeah that's that's my has going for it as well like i definitely have again. This is my guess sliding scale. I definitely have images in my dreams having it around his neck for example or like the lingering shot of them leaving tribal counter voting out yamane. I'm like this. Necklace is sitting on this and maybe it also speaks to how i don't know just how like how this role that moment was considering. It's a pretty visceral necklaces. Well i remember yemen. You know getting an agreement needing to give it up. And then and then putting. I don't remember the necklace in doing. I mean it has that history associated with. I think it's better then the exile island necklace. I would definitely say so. I think it's better than the guatemala. One all right. Oh it's on the move. Strongly disagree though shouting. Forget you go by. It's painful but happy to just keep the dough boy. Why don't we split it. We put it at the back of ain't no hershey bar but still in this tier lower. It's not necessarily sentence. Don't seasons have just finished rhyme right after the other and ain't no hershey bar Okay all right so the price of a car. That's super duty all right. Let's look at our next necklace. Mike what are we looking at here. We are going so we're skipping ahead. Dipping micronesian skipping micronesia. I'd bet not memorable on. The mike bloom scale we are. We are going to survivor. Good bowed and after a little time away. We said fiji super minimalist. We're back into panama. Opulence if you were with good bow and which is just so much. There's so much going on with the necklace. There is a lot going on here. So imagine a autumnal wreath that you might have on your door this time of year and then take a bunch of kiki's and then glued together. I believe like little african masks. Yeah okay so then go ahead and a go to raid the home of the kisha from big brother and take all those masks from her wall miniaturized them stick them as ease the shrink ray from big brother twenty s and then also throw a bunch of necklaces. This is a real like grab bag. Mishmash here the thing that really gets me. Hung up is the straw. This thing is stuffed with hay and if we talked about the feathers possibly causing a problem. The straw has to be by far. This has to be the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of material on on a necklace because i cannot imagine having to walk around with itchy straw day. Yeah this is ugly and also not comfortable. Let's not immediately obvious. This is not a necklace. Where does it even go around your neck. It's sticks in the hall has a tiny little i. Is there a class here mike. I believe there's a class. So the one thing i appreciate appreciate about it if i feel besides one of the next to be seen. I feel this represented season the best in the dumps. Ira necklace that true. Nice microcosm of like wow. We don't know what's going on and go vote this necklace. No way where does it start. When does it begin. Beats in the end. i've like to add. Also this necklace is also ratchet. Yeah i bid every really just as there's there's really not even symmetry going on with the african mathematically just through a bunch on there to see what happens. I mean this is. Wow yeah biggest. I saw that lead seen. So i this. This is the junk drawer necklace. This really is of just like let's take all these little thing dogmas and baubles and throw them onto something i mean. We'll talk about probably immunity. Idols and a future future podcast. But like now. I can honestly see bob crowley's fake. I like falling in line with this aesthetic even way more than bob seidel does Okay all right. Let's see if we can place this one on the board. So let's go ahead. How would you describe this bone. Wreath really revisit. Great way to describe it. Like i think it is. It is less so something you associate with putting around your neck and more so something you would put up a on your door. It'd be like oh yes. I visited kenya over the winter. And i pick this up. It's all of the little things we picked up along the way in the savannah adores elephant dung in there. Oh lord well. It would have started a nice fire if that was so again. There's a lot of strong. There's probably as blamable af anyway. Okay all right. Let's talk about the good bone wreath wreath nail. Come on wreath. I mean. I'll be honest like this might have to be in. Forget you go home goodbye. In my opinion. I think it's something that i don't i don't remember even like i. I feel like it's not. It's garish gears enough. Where i'm like. Oh god i remember how terrible looking at was is it. Garish adults team chicken right now at the poker table so shannon all right. We're in the attack zone. The good bone wreath versus the marcation d. s. t. i think just for like any ironically with ranking things on hunting and clearly out the dsp now is more clinic to us. But i think we should put that loss and we should because it's super super ugly. But i don't think funnily redeemed as is it above this tier is in this same. Forget you go home by the sea this season which that line was uttered in it feels only only right that ends up resigning and this it does go home. In fact it's home is the tier. Yes okay next to the marcation story. Go to your home okay. All right now what we're looking at here we're gonna kick off another string of consecutive seasons. Here we went back to brazil. We're going back to feathers so are going to the survivor. Token chiens immunity wrestled others which actually was worn of very memorably by someone. Who said that won't future season it because this is one actually became a head dress for a brief portion of time This thing is just feathers upon feathers with like some little tiki fasteners fascinating at like a big ass in the middle of it but it really took your again like i said before. It took the feather idea from survivor. The amazon and just completely ran away with. Okay yes all right so we have a sort of a hubcap in the center which is going to be part of. The maze are part of a chain with a number of other Trinkets sort of like pandora chain with some ornaments on the left some skulls Sure that's another version of the skull and then feathers all the way around red blue yellow green to round out the survivor token chiens immunity necklace. I like this a lot like me. I think i'm going to be putting this top tier not as high as because a sort of super iconic but like. This is probably the best looking. Lineman scene is quite pretty lola. Very vivid colors. I i don't know of any animals voted inevitable things so like. I think that this is a good kind of point between having quite a bit in having a quite a spectacle without an overdoing it. Yeah like we've seen some models have this and then fifteen it kept it to the feathers and a couple of little trinkets. It's very pretty. Yeah i mean. I think you can understand now why. Jt one unanimously because he won the necklace so many times that he would tickle people with it to really get everyone back. You can yes. Yeah exactly this is i. I totally agree with you. I mean i don't want to skip ahead to to the rating. I would put this probably second behind the sword. It is an iconic immunity. I think it helps. Tyson didn't remember as as a headdress. That one time. And i think the aesthetic behind it is really cool. Like really really cool. So whoa okay. It sounds if i'm listening to you. If i'm like the immunity necklace focus group. Sounds like that feathers are a big win. If i'm the art department here i'm thinking How do we get more feathers in the immunity necklace. Sounds like that feathers are big hit. Well i think it helps that. We're gonna say to feathers after this. That feathers really only apparently appear when you're in brazil. So i think the fact that we really haven't seen them much like a shark draw or something like we're going to see so many tiki head in survivor history that they're so run of the mill so when you see something other like oh man. I haven't. i haven't experienced this taken as much as i can. Because i know i'm never going this again all right so i think that this is probably going to go up to my life is fine at the very least right. Yeah okay sure. Better than the borneo of bare bones of finger pain. I better speed barebones. Okay all right bed her than the immunity bib from survivor africa. Yeah alright does the students now become the teacher. does it pass the original feather necklaces from survivor. The amazon not only become the teacher rob. It becomes the coach. I think this role on. i'll okay. Does it go to the worth playing for. Its here i would say so. Is it better than pearl islands. I think i think it's it's trajectory stops there. I think Just the the sort is just so cool that i think as as nice as it is to look at the token jeans one like just the novelty i think of the store to and scabbard is going to put it almost like an tear on. Its own okay. All right so token chiens Stop right there at second place. Okay all right. Let's look at our next play. Yes yeah exactly all right. Yeah i think the someone who once called this. Oh call this. Podcast and outrage. Bcs fitting finish. Okay all right right because it's great. It did so well but it's like can you beat the amazingness of us place. That shouldn't take away from how well second places all right. Mike what are we going to look at next to another one. Bit of an out of the box because this one goes super simplistic. We're going to the very next season and while the focus has been around the immunity idols in survivor. Samoa the immunity necklace. i think. Definitely something worth discussing. Because even though it does not feature standard dee asked wine it features a hell of a lot of twice as feature. This one is super ugly This is like a fishing hook attached to a vine where some little tiles hanging off of it and some animal teeth wrapped up in string is all brown and up against this wooden post almost difficult to see that there is a hidden or a necklace here. Maybe that's why russell was so good at finding the idols because it was hard enough to find the necklace. This season camouflaged. Yes it is the thing that the thing that it really drew me to. This is the new described. The mr tyler. They let me just like tags. Like delmonico's you've got to take the price tag off of the necklace flea market. You walk out of the gift shop. And they don't take this thing off the alarm. Go off into the like well. We don't have the thing to remove the going to spill if we cut into it again. We'll just leave the tags on the neck. Leave the tags. I like to live dangerously. In case i want to return it. Okay this is. This is one that. I didn't necessarily remember because again. I think the hook aspect was carried over to a lot of the idols that season. But the tags are just so confounding to me. Personally yeah i would say it's very ugly like it very drab got or a worse you rather something like horrifically ali. I think that's ri- santa fe. Go bigger who the idols. Yeah okay yeah. They mailed it in on the survivors. Keep necklaces yes not even memorable to mike bloom. Okay all right so remember. The exact moment might knows everyone else. It's not memorable all right. Let's look at our list here and see where the hook necklace from survivor. Samoa is going to land on our list. Does it crack the bottom tier the forget you go home goodbye tier. I think it might. It doesn't deserve to be as low as something memorable spaghetti. Go home to buy. You know you need. You need more presence about john. Okay is it better than the fa- jian a tusk necklace. I don't think so. I think it is probably i mean. It's just nothing like you have your own schedule. At least you're look at what. I'll say again. The tusk necklace. At least they tried this. They came up with something. This was bring me the tackle box this could. This could legitimately look like a fake immunity necklace that someone made some fishing gear in an afternoon off. That was meant to look like and then get a tattooed on you we will. We will get to that on a future podcast. Specialty rv worth the idol. That i picked go into the game of survival thirty nine. Okay just like it's so that it should be like right in the middle east would be playful. You would miss it kind of going through the teas but this is the most iconic immunity necklace. And i would rather have things like i'd rather bury it like Down here then even give it my recognition for being so terrible. I think we should put it in the middle of the eight hundred dollars you buy. Because then it's just kind of gloss over it now. I still i still like the panama and fiji necklaces. More than this one though. okay. I alright from being outnumbered played a necklace. Okay all right. So let's let's jump ahead. let's go to the twenties here and let's church it up in a manner of speaking because i think we're going to talk about the only all star seasons not eligible for your list. I i wanted to see maybe heroes versus villains. Might want to touch upon in future installments. I think it's an interesting point. Because i feel like that in a lotta these season that we're talking about that. The immunity necklaces are sort of vodka. Tive of the culture of the season that we're at whereas the all star seasons are a little bit more. The theme is all stars right. Exactly so like survivor. All stars for instance was basically just a necklace with a bunch of coins on it. That really just did not look very good. The micronesia guy was just like a bunch of keys because they had already been to out before euros versus villains was interesting it was basically just a bunch of tiki squish next to each other with a surprise greenland sticking out of it. But i want to go to survivor nicaragua because i believe this is the only necklace. So far that has incorporated a piece of. I'll say religious iconography into it's It's a very interesting piece of. It's not the goal but thailand from provides but it's golden a different way and as eve said once upon a time receiving them daily and a power for winners carry gold. Okay all right only podcast. We're we're like we're going to be skipping over. Here's billions going straight to nicaragua. He's now on fox. We'll skip over spoilers for that one all right so what we have here is that the cross of coronado that indiana jones thought one time should belong in a museum. I is at the center of what looks like a belt of pennies which adorn of the large cross crucifix. in the crucifix as there is no jesus Shannon you're yeah. No i feel to cross i. Just i don't wanna i don't want to say anything about it. The whole necklace as i want to. Avoid a lotta series. Now if you if you were nicaraguan you had won. The necklace would have given it up. La the apprehension joanna word of like not wear this because of all the money comes across. Because it's it's not great. It's not a great necklace for jews. I'm going to say as as you were there. Any jewish congestion since survivor nicaragua. I don't believe that the final twelve. I don't believe there were -fensive this necklaces. You know may change the costing that they will be confident you on. This is incredibly offensive necklace. I to be fair. I don't know necessarily if the like what the cross necessarily meant in nicaraguan culture. I'm not sure. I did also forget that. Of course Ben re devout orthodox jew on survivor nicaragua. of course. yeah so. I'm not exactly sure that being said it's nice. It's just it's such an interesting. Because i mean this is where they really steered into a lot of the symbolism in this i remember floor had the of course fleur de leon ed which would become a. Is that an idle exactly. So i've only adam client had played in nicaragua when he was like ten years old. Then it would have been a very different situation with him trying to play his own buff but it's is one of the most prominent centerpieces of a necklace that we have experienced. The i think maybe the unsung part of the necklace are indeed all of the pennies that just to be around like they fish through a wishing well at the local nicaraguan mall on penny out. Well this sounds like it would be allowed allowed one as well. This is definitely cat with a bill. This conjoined their own little street band to make some music Okay i expect that to be the next in the amazing race he'd been given these necklaces four garbage cello. Okay all right so tom marino little bit by tampering. Can you play it. I think religious tamarine. Yeah exactly like it really takes you to church in a manner of speaking Okay all right. So i guess Let's talk about where it should go Feeling like i feel very mad at is coming from the token cheese. Bright colors to this very grad coloring. That i'm just like it's not doing it and also might not help if these are these seasons that are not well regarded as well to the necklaces. Go part and parcel with that Okay so let's go ahead and see if we can rank are nicaraguan cross penny belts so it would be. I don't know if it would work as a belt. I mean i don't know. I think any of these can work as a belt as long as you tied it out properly Certainly the holster. They barely workers necklaces. Like this doesn't look like it would sit well on the human Okay all right so are nicaraguan cross. Okay does it escape. Forget you go home goodbye okay. I think it's new unique enough and not like garish enough. That i think it does escape that they're okay does it. Beat raw. the samoan fishing hook. I it does. I think let's camouflaged. And more outstanding than the smell fishing hook and tags again with the gold cross of coronado and the pennies does feel like it's treasure right exactly like it feels that theme that unintentional nicaragua was sort of basing kista doors. Right we'll get to this. Maybe in the future podcast but the try was literally like a bust of the door so a lot of their stuff was all about drawing into that theme of gold and treasure also think like know. Let's let's talk about the cannon here. Let's talk about that production meeting where it's like. We're going to either go. With medallion of power or fire goes medallion of power. They don't have anything to do with the fire tokens they attached to the necklace. Tokens are part of this off. Yes you get so much peanut butter with this necklace. Okay natalie level defiant right is the nicaraguan cross necklace better than the fijian tusk necklace to me. It is the dino. I don't think he'd been personally. You think so ran the house. My like the tasks is not take. Tusk has a. Musk and i'm smelling it wo- more than the. I put the tough down here now. Okay the phrase the tests kevin. Musk and i'm smelling. Tusk has a mosque. And i'm smelling it. Mike twenty twenty. That's okay all right. Let's go ahead mike. What do you have next for us. So we're skipping ahead. I apologize those. Were waiting to talk about redemption island south pacific in one world. They will not in. We're going to survivor philippines. Which saw a resurgence not only survivor. Proper but in the necklaces has we have sort of like i. I would say like survivor. Goes egypt a bit here with probably the biggest necklace we've seen since panama. Okay all right. Let's see if we can describe what's going on here with the survivor philippines necklace so we have the relent vols here of I don't think it's tusk now. I don't smell anything. Yeah yes so. But it looks like a three three levels of like a circular horn which it looks like. There are engravings all cross but more. Interestingly the un underneath the circular horns. We have a piece that connects in the center to. I don't know exactly what this is. It looks sort of like a red marble. Billiard ball center bloodshed. They took the twelve ball from the ponderosa on the immunity necklace. Yeah maybe it's sort of looks like that if you had fifty cents at the supermarket and got like eighty super high bounce. Ball out of there was blood red. That's what it would be. Are those wales on the side. I think there are other. Whales are because they did take. They have the whale watching rewards. Maybe there wells the definitely fish of some kind and then underneath We have sort of like a little dangling catcher. This this looks so heavy like i feel from that it was like remove the shame attached sort of triumph So it lose points that. Because i feel like you would be buckling under it but to me. It's visually pleasing more visually than most of the idol saw. I would say probably the thing that you would see like at fashion week right like i could see this being their mates. Mike and i don't know why you think fashion me he is but i. I'm assuming it's just a week where i go to old navy and i buy a bunch of fashion week i think tusk tusk section I i think this is legitimately looks like a piece of jewelry. They'll like that could be worn outside of the game. Yes it's pretty. It's unfortunate that this so many levels to it that it just looks so heavy like i don't think they needed the three levels of bobbing could have just been the necklace down birckel's Yeah but i you. Multiple visually appealing than almost any other. Yeah it's a good thing. Jimmy ceramic didn't win this necklace. Because i think that she would have toppled over when it wants. But i think luckily she was fine enough. I suppose okay with men. It was a men's and women's did they break. How did they do that. They break the. Because i think he just had two of them. Yeah and so. She wanted one. Maybe she got a lighter. One and carter got the heavier by much he himself probably would have toppled over again strings. Yeah okay all right so now what we're doing with this feel like that. That red ball in the middle. I feel like this is sort of like a curse necklace. Like where just like screaming where you trap like sultan soul in it. Yes it's like putting on the ring and lord of the rings and you just become like a very evil person. Yeah this is very much. The eye of south philippines deck lous. Okay just having all the souls in it as well so it's pretty each go. Hi i'm telling you i i. I think it's gonna go pretty high. This is going to be our first one in a while to at least get up to the my life is fine. Tear all right. Let's see okay so let's go ahead and put the philippines. What do we want to call this. One amulet amulet amulet necklace. Okay all right so let's bring the necklaces in okay. All right here we go all right so we started off at. My life is fine. I think so. I think i think it's really above a lot of these ones from like the tens and twenties. That are sort of like either. Not the best or not kind of matt or plain ugly. I think this is a static. And i think it's just a very unique design. It's maybe a bit much. But but i don't know i'm doing but i like what what it does here. Okay all right. So is it better than borneo looks. Fine jewelry made by a child. Okay all right. Is it better than the africa. Unity bib yet. I was a bid it could also be harder to clean. But i think yeah you don't you can't throw this one in the washer okay. All right around all right then. We also have our survivor amazon original. Og feather necklace. So this is where it. It's really. I don't know if it's going to be below or above this one. I'm trying out. It's been looking okay. Whistle either fire but the amazon. One i think is involved in more i- conic moments than the philippines one to you my like. I don't remember any of necklace. This is you remember winning. But i couldn't it now. Remember it forever. I don't know. I think that i've seen enough with survivor philippines necklace. Your at impressed with it. Why rob is pretty protective of the amazon necklace. It'd be fair not even that. I feel like that this necklace. I i would not wear it to fashion week. I don't would you fashionably i would wear. Sword came with a gun and his mom. No guns allowed. Do it in america. But you can't baton. We like it depends where fashion week is held show. So yeah the l. d. o. h. n. s. is definitely not on it. I'll say yeah i. I don't think it's that great the survivor philippines munich. It has less to do with me being protective of the amazon and more to do with. I'm just not blown away by the philippine stack. Lists say this is a fine resting place for it though you guys very much in agreement with your rankings and i just have opinions anyway. That's fine outvoted. This podcast is all about her. What i'm voting mean to get upset and go. Are you danger of losing you. Are you going to rage. Quit this rank something. I don't agree with one time. Okay all sex preference and doing my point. I know it was like an hour ago at this point. Do you think the sex toy thing does it sound like something i would do or does it sound like something. You can rewind if you're just tuning in right now and our thirty minutes it colfax and telling you might lose on like something. I would do all right my if you just. If you just woke up go back to sleep could go back to sleep all right. What is this next necklace into the very next season. And this is one that i'll be. Honest was not really on my radar but a lot of patrons seemed to point it out. We are going to survivor. Karen mon which may not be that much of a bad ass season but has kind of a bad ass necklaced okay. A true requested this immunity necklace. So it's going with the teeth theme again are those threes are clause. The page says teeth. But if there's sort of bandied all about fabric so it kind of looks like if you're wearing it almost like your vulture you have that sort of like rule to it. Yeah okay yeah. It looks like that if you were gonna have sort of like the wearing sort of like ammunition magazine around your neck but instead of bullets. There were talents coming out of them. that's kind of what this is a tiny bird skull in the middle. I think that's a bird. I hope that's a bird and the robert patrons. This is the kind of thing they like. They they were ones. That pointer now again. Care is a season that take them as a faces of death crowd. Yeah i mean. I don't think you realize how many juggle os are among your patrons robbie survey. Yeah who knew this is. This is an interesting aesthetic. Because again i do feel like sorta like the candy cane esque aspect of the the way that bans are are put around these teeth. Give it a distinctive. Look from even something like bg where you say. Candy cane aspect What do you mean by that. Alternating colors okay. Look at that as any in your way around. Canes around crosses in this race saying the corn what do you think of this. This is cursed another one. The skull like as if it wasn't creepy enough to have talons just like so many times. They had to go with a skull. Don't own at the schools missing a mouth. That feels bad to me. Volvo skull like it's something we're going on as his nose but just barely it's to human length funny. I the ugly earns with all the respect to the patrons house is important to you. You have is bad taste of michael's okay. All right so let's go ahead and see where this goes on our big lists all right. Is it in the four. You forget you go home. Goodbye Here just that's my question is are we now. Should we put this in the back of the ainu hershey bar thing it's forgettable but it's not ugly enough to be part of that good bone in marquette show. What do you think. I would drop down here because you know how much i hated even just the test the smelly tusks. This is like a lot of that energy and then it added like more illness and like a whole will the made it. I think more conic in a way that made them we'll visually pleasing digits in a way that terrifies me war. I mean does it help if you imagine john cochran wearing this does that is actually kind of funny car. Yeah you can see that. I mean it's so danger and yeah so for me. I thought that the bottom tier is reserved for the things. That are just a mask like what is going on here. This is not necessarily like a mess. But it's very dark and grim. This is sad teramo in the season. This is something where when brenda said daun. Takeout your t. They thinks she the million nicholas. Yeah exactly who this season. Alright imagine if he was anyway. It's a cursed necklace breakers checklists all right mike. What will we look at next. Let's round the bend here and let's move into the thirties. We start at the top of the thirty s with survivor worlds apart. Were going a bit nautical here Or the dirty thirty as we are talking about a compass. Centerpiece of a very nautical. Themed necklace okay. All right this one is has a lot going on here. Let me try to talk this through all right. We have a broken compass in the center of does not look like it's working. Maybe twenty northwest north winds in that particular picture perhaps in vain. Then it's not necessarily like a necklace it looks like there's like two sticks tied together to make an exce along the sides of the x. are a number of seashells some dagley some More in place looks like there's also a combined some crystals also so for you crystal heads out there a little something for you so maybe final tier no order and then there's also. Is there some like a bamboo. That's also often decide that sort of like shaped like a dead fish. What wilson is he was. Yeah yeah so basically like do you see that. Is it like some bamboo with like some sort of like a dorsal fin. Sticking out are sort of see what you're talking about. I think it's it's. It's the way that the the sticks are cutting into the bamboo that sort of make like a triangular shape. Yeah and then. Let's just tie it all together with some giant rope. Don't think this one class will go that far. Think you just have to put the gargantuan piece of rope around your neck comfortable. That's a major rope burn. Yeah it's like a tug of war rope. Is the back part of this necklace. It's like you truly need a caller but this thing around so it doesn't grind up against your neck visually i. It's definitely a mess. But it's like kind of visually appealing tinny. Like the books. I mean i would like it but i don't hate it. I'm definitely like no animals. Murder to this I think the crystals look quite pretty in the compasses. It may be one of the nicest pieces that we've seen so much better than jaws in the skull ding. Mary kill compass marrying the but then what does it have to do with this season. Like why is the ad. That's what the interesting thing is where we already use the cross once. The worlds apart has such a weird aesthetic because if you remember so that tribe immunity idol was the infamous like walking inspect the stick that had the hat and a little body to it the immunity idols were like little wooden medallions. That had like a scorpion and a monkey on it and then this is a compass and a bunch of sea glass and seashells. Yeah it's like many assured they're trying to find their way back to each other with the compass Interesting like oh you need to navigate your way back. Yeah ex and crystal crystals will help you get there all right. Let's see what we're gonna do own worlds apart necklace. All right green All right so let's see will it will hit avoid the bottom tier to start things off. Okay starting in volunteer lane. That's crazy to me nationally system. Yes okay it is like a little bit of a flavor flav of either direction it is boy alright so we moved up the ainhoa hershey bar. Okay no credit as a modern jury. Box jazz. All right Better than the vulture idle. Yes i would say so. Okay better than these samoa. Fishhook idle necklace. I i think so. Okay just you know my opinion better than the nicaraguan cross belts pennies. Yes cross all right inside. Version of oscar. Hot cross buns. Yes mike are you enjoying the the mosque of gien tusk. Better than this compass necklace. I don't think i'm enjoying any money coming from the dirty thirty. This is tough. Because i agree like somehow the aesthetic were. I'm not literally sitting here and seeing if this failing visually appealing compass is barrow in the smelly tossed like not doing the tusks smell or the just a supposition from mike dreams. Ross forgot to ask him that. S exactly the kind of questions we want from these old school surviving Like smell you should often in the future just in case we need it instead on this podcast cannon tough smell bad this necklaces organization called talk show up to my life is fine i i the only thing i would put this below might be the the the the shark shark is really cool and i don't feel like hot mess value of worlds apart and it's it's necklace might be slightly below the appeal that the shark draw has so if i had my way jim clearly not going to need above the din above the bib so whole to your higher What do you think. Rob your the tiebreaker here. So i did not remember this. I mean for me in my head. If i close my eyes can i think of what the idol looked like in that. Caesar nicholson. i could not. So i do remember the i remember like lack swearing the wearing the bib so the bib to me. I think is memorable. This i think is a interesting and appealing design. It's gross. it's not ratchet so that helps it. i don't. I could see it at the back of my life is fine or even the top of hershey bar but i have a hard time bumping it past borneo fencing ten on that one going right in the middle of the atlantic. That's a that's a good negotiate. I can settle for back on. My life is fine borneo okay. Fine all right. Let's go over in the thirties. Now we're in the thirties s. We're gonna just jump to the very next season. We are going to survivor. Cambodia new location so that means new inspiration in. Indeed i do think this is a very opulent sort of necklace. I think also function as like a pseudo immunity vest. If you win okay. All right so yeah. We've gone outside the box here. And let's talk about this yes This is almost like a some sort of like olympic medal. A crossed with maybe something that you would get from the wizard of oz that this is a would give it to show you that you time had immunity the whole time. This represents that you're immune from every single vote. You had no idea but you were okay so There is a piece of red fabric Which i do not know if there is a clasp in the back mike. Did your research center there was. I'm i'm going to the vast majority of the time. They're going to be a class in the back. They wanna make sort of like a one-size-fits-all type of necklace Yes and then. It isn't as a giant head and sit through griffin is adorned by a sort of like a gold Almost like a thing. That you put like a tony stark's crystal into the reactor ryan then underneath that there is would you say. Is that a bird a frog. Some sort of a like gold pattern of an animal. Line a lion rohrschack. Yes this a gold rohrschack test possibly see a frog bed bed really long arms. Maybe yeah i've seen a short legs on the bottom. And then yeah i think yeah. I could see that too. See all these things cool then. The quiz knows things. What's quiz no thing you know. The thing is like so. That's what they're called. Sponge monkeys gold flakes also adorn the sides as Gold leaves dropped down. This is a beautiful immunity necklace. Guy this memorable thing i read. Where's this this is something fashion week. I think this this kicks the crap out of something like thailand. What what blink and be when it comes to a immunity. I think it's very memorable. I think it's very different as well. It's a it's sort of like cloth asking that it's one of those ones that sits naturally the body as well. It's just always necklace for lack of a better term. Would amount where it would be too heavy. I think it looks kind of felt. You wouldn't wanna be getting wet so you have to keep that in mind which might be a bit of a nuisance by which was tough in cambodia. Because they were getting all the time and they had to remember when they end up getting their shelter. That's true so. But i think it it looks very opulent. It looks like something that would be awarded to someone who wanted challenge for necklaces. and i get icon. Stop seeing the lion. I liked that you could spend a lotta time cam. you know. it's kind of like the address. Game will laurel ignani like laurel and yanni is going to be a couple of seasons from now okay. So let's write this. Let's see this is a league comer to the party. I think this is going to be a pretty high finisher. I mean. I think we're looking. At least my life is finer finer. Better all right. So let's take a look our rankings here and see where we're going to go all right so let's take a look and we'll see here we go. Let's get our new necklace. here Is this a different picture away on the different picture. Yeah i got it from a different angle. All right different angle. Ooh i threw me off. Okay all right. So let's see better than they know. Hershey bar is it up to my life is fine. I definitely think so. I think there could be an argument for the bottom of worth play for show do because i think like i actually really loved a lot of the design and kind of ideas that went into the second. Johnston season like those such an epic season to even like having the contestants where their initial clothing with very conceptual in that way and some of the most addicted i entered into survival during that season environment. This necklace okay. Fine a china. it's better than tokens. The the the original stephen seasons stephen versus stephen even greater than having good immunity I wouldn't say so. Because i think really pretty really like you can. Fleet captures the culture. But i think it would just it under that. Yeah nobody's going to wear this as a headdress. Anytime soon. not even saving himself. Should he win it. But i think this is also very i if we even freeze the worth playing for tier here. It's a great representation right. We have an old school season. Middle school season at a new school. Season represented right now. All right mike. What's next so not to say that we don't need them. We need to freeze it. But coming up there their some choices because let's move survivor emeals versus gen-x and it was brought to my attention that we should sort of relitigate the immunity necklace. 'cause it's a it's a little less family friendly. I think we remember it being flat out wearing this this necklace. For millennials versus gen x. Has boobs or it could be depending on the placement or it could be going back to the dnc it all. It could be two things on the side of one thing. Yeah that's okay all right. Let me describe to you what we have here. let's start with a a tiki making a pained look. No crying land idea. Yeah okay then. A on the left and the right slang by a large sweat. Shiny seashell Then we have a number of tiny plantations that are jutting off the side. What would you call those shannon teeth of what everything's to teach now so i'm just i just went to tea various pieces of wood and like bones whether those teeth or not. I'm not sure que get you to go to the bone. well just like oh just throw employers lazy Yeah especially at this point in survivor history. I mean they go back to fiji again so there. They can't pull. They did the first time. What are they gonna do now. Yeah you fiji of survivor necklaces. And then we have everything all attached to one sturdy vine clearly see with a clasp in the back see i want say this is a family friendly like we have a little sex toy on the list. By if you weren't aware it as a belt it would've works in. I think it be too small to wear for. You must be waiting until day. Thirty nine to where this is a belt. What i lost a lot of weight but not we're accounts. Yeah that it would be too small. You going in different. But you wouldn't mind about an hour ago shaded and then trying to rewrite the narrative which is most classlessness knows. What happened okay. Do you have any strong feelings about this. Not a ton. I it's not. It's not visually pleasing. It's very interesting liking terms of iconic yet. Remember to subpoena seidel. I guess is that iconic at this point. No is that even the dirtiest thing we've talked about today where is it ranking to be the best at anything a to be the best at being the penis idol. I like that shannon has as we close into two hours of this. Podcast is now just interviewing herself about where she's gone wrong in this podcast. Where did it where to begin. Yeah i don't know. Was it a good idea. Probably not should. I have passed. Yes i mean you giving us auto credit if you think i need to get into the cost that'd be honest questions Okay alright his leader gay. I already you my brand. Let's rank this millennials versus gen-x idle. And let's start here okay. It's in the bottom tier. let's i. I think it's in the bottom tier. I think it is. I think i think it's that combination of both unmemorable. Not like i do not know what they're doing with this mishmash of wood and bones even around like the euphemistic aspects of it. You know like it just feels like they were going for the euphemism. I don't know be honest. Maybe was sort of like this. Was the battle of the ages. Much like the question of do you or the word you. It's like you get this necklace what you see. And they assume that the millennials will be like ha. That's a penis and the has would be like i respect that tiki and surrounding seashells short hailin just looked at it like Like i can definitely see god's who so you go. Yeah with you have at this low. It doesn't i. Don't i think. I might put a slightly hit stature. One to me mullen. My this is maybe a misfire. But i wouldn't say it's ratchet. I wouldn't say it's an abomination. I don't know i only other things that are on this year. Be the caramel. One idle and everything above it. At least look more cohesive. This just does not look cohesive way i feel like that this is near the samoa fish hawk in just like very Did you guys even try. I think they tried and failed. Vote were going for some sort of aesthetic. Here's some sort of like bare bones or bare wood. Aesthetic in many ways and i think they failed their we. Mike is it important for you to have it in the bottom tier with the wreath and the d. s. t. trump. Why don't i don't wanna. I don't quibble with that. I feel like our no. Hershey bar is just burgeoning. But i think it only makes sense that that are you know are dong idol is going to build out a little bit. We're not calling it that yeah. Shutting couldn't pass the vulture idol. I kind of worries me fashion. No i could see people wearing it. The sensor bar. Yes yeah i. I hate the skull so i'm like a ready okay. I don't want to put it ahead of that bright but it does have bones in it. What others we don't know if their bones or not determine. I said they were playing teens. I think it's more likely that their bones than planting tiny tiny ripe. There's plantation etiquette. Earning that chris etiquette. Yes okay. all right So shannon where would you. Would you have this Higher or lower than important. Let's put it flatly by carol. Okay all right. Can you live with that. i'll listen live in it. i'll live in it a live with it. I also think that samoa is so is so bad that at least this has something you'd say you're you're jockeying to put it above samoa. Yeah fish hawk is. I don't know. I feel like the ugliness of this thing can only get so far i agree with my long right only got left the final two. So let's move onto the very next season. We have to talk about survivor game because this might be the most interesting necklace. Okay we have to talk about in this entire batch. All right here we go. Let's talk about this gad's zoo cts wanted the name of jeff. Probst is going on here. We have a knotted rope around. The rusted knotted rope in the center. There is some sort of a medallion for aquaman which is a downward facing trident favorite yoga pose then also around the nodded rope. We have skeleton keys. We have we have some. Looks like some fossilized Seahorses no those are octopus. Tentacle octopus tentacles. Listen i've got the tattooed approve it don't i. Oh i guess so mike. This is my. I can tell you about gold ones on my body mike. This necklace is like a stefan weekend. Update description of an idol. Come to life this thing. has everything broke. It's barely nodded sea. Glass it upside down. Trident human calamari thing when a bunch of tiny ten times their way across you. This is what i think they did. I think they got the little they put it in superglue and then they put it into a bag across and just pulled it out. This is the this is not plantations. I mean so. I remember game. Changers had a very specific aesthetic. They were going for the whole ship. Rake angle remember specifically the traveling a lot less shipwreck for arteries shannon. Do you think that this necklace is evocative of the game. Changers casting in that they said. Hey it's the season like laura. Let's throw every piece mode cowboy in their haley for like We want a necklace. That sort of will remind us of what this is. Yeah they proverbially stuck erode into the causing put superglue wanted and just pulled in solway. Came out I definitely think so. I also think that this necklace we cannot forget is one of the reasons we got advice. Get it the biased. In this way It's pretty ugly and african actual octopus. Yeah i was gonna ask you want if you want to look at it. Like a pod base. Let's go to survivor. South africa island of secrets. Teaming is is outrageous. You want us to go to that necklace. You go to twenty and then you go to like. This is the example of that. Yeah on although mike that does this necklace register at all on the fifty shades scale between the rope and the keys. Really just take a lot of boxes. Okay all right. Yeah i mean the one thing. I have to give it. Kudos for is unconventional use of materials. Like i do like the ro- part of it is actually very interesting to me. I just feel like if they had adorned it with any other stuff besides what they put on it. The rope could have been an interesting sort of like base level to add things onto. I don't understand nineteen necklaces into this. I don't even know we would judging on unconventional use of materials until right now calm broken in when some places what is what is the blue and red like that's more like sea glass glass glass that gets pounded by the waves. And smooths out. Have you ever heard like don beach coming and found say glass before. I have not not no. That's that's that's something. I don't know looks like ziegler to me. It's like it's it's very colorful in shiny glass that's been weather down by the erosion aspects of it. Make it very smooth and easy to touch all right. So here we go. We've got our game changers potpourri funding for everybody here in this game. Changers necklace all right. Is it better than the mark asian. Ds having so this. Is the question like does this belong in the bottom tier for or is still sort of like the millennials versus gen x. It's ugly but it's not as much of a hot mess to put it in the bottom two then the fact that it's it's advantage getting like it's only that i'm like because who is enough to be in the bottom tier how may i. I agree and the my question is because i think the is still going to be our bottom ranked one. My question is above or below bone even with unvarnished yet. And i still think about the government is not a necklace. Yeah the phone necklaces. A pile of hay. This nicholas is at least going for teaming as opposed to. I think kgab is. Let's take the three little pigs and put it around. Someone's neck doesn't really apply to the season so as garish as it may be. I agree with where it is right now. Yeah i agree with you that the fact that they try to keep it in the theme of you wanted to wrote you got it. You want to read you gotta even if you wanted to try it you sandra. Did you want tentacles once. And you will. You got it. You know and i think that that's the theme. Okay all right all right. What are we doing one more to look at. But i think we finished with. Perhaps i would say probably the most talked about recent immunity necklace because of how ugly it is. We're going we're finishing off with the ghost island underneath necklace okay. I think you had your own sim but i would have loved if you've done the island of the idols one. Just because that one. I remember because it had to totems on it. I think it was that sense. Because they want to know about zander and manley though you didn't you would've made sense but you would have been like little random context wouldn't have been that random at all. Also that had a logo it had it as the trial of unity in the individual immunity necklace. They were all about like. Oh it's the secret to everyone and it's funny because apparently that secret got like mass told even though it wasn't so they weren't being as clever about it. They thought they were all right ghost island. We have here what appears to be some driftwood. Looks like it's sort of nodded in the middle and then off to the side. I don't really are those. That are floating. Are they shells. Mike tiffany. I'm pretty sure not. Boys are as gentleman i would put it Yeah in the center it looks like that. There is a dinner plate live in between the driftwood which is in the shape of a skull with palm trees jutting out to sort of make is for the skull and a dancing man like rafi key in the lion king holding up a torch which is sort of like the nose. Yeah so this is just. This is all sorts of stranding even separate from this. I also remember this necklace. Being really flimsy in particular the seashells were so flat that i think at the time liana because i think we did a buffer snuff and we put this necklace here and leon said it reminded them of like a craft to loop back to the very beginning. Rob something that your five year old son would make painted a bunch of trees in two people dancing on it and attach it to a bunch of drift. What you know screwed a couple of seashells on said. Have this wendell Okay not to make it so multidimensional. I think to like get a dinner play and then make that into a skull but also a man. Danzig under the tree the flake. It's so many things. And i appreciate that civility story of like a couple. That was how to tryst. And they're going on a second honeymoon and here they are dancing under. Yeah exactly like this is where the bad mistakes come to raise. It's like listen. We're going to fix the mistake. Reverse the curse of her marriage. Honey what is that symbol. I don't know second. It looks a little bit like a dad. A tie fighter from the wars series of films at red survivor standing by. Yeah looks like maybe. These guys are backing up darth vader. Okay it's very and actually the dinner plate. Designed kind of looks like darth vader hollow night. Okay all right so let's take a look at where this should go in our list. All right so. I guess we'll start it here on our bottom tier okay Shannon any thoughts. It's ugly but i don't think it's as much monstrosity. I wouldn't put it as low as the bottom tier. But i'd be woody Only somewhere in the middle of eight. No hershey by again for me like a bit allow. Mostly because to me is the musty. Toss so like the. I don't even agree that it should be there in that. Like void of ugly nothingness which is very much the shebaa mike. What do you think go style. I don't know. I think it's in the bottom tier because at least i think it's ugly personally like i just think it's it looks lindsay. It looks chintzy not chizzy and at least at least again. The game changers aspect has that like nautical theme going forward as much of a mishmash as a. Maybe god only knows what they were going for here with the ghost island stuff so for me. I think the forget you go home goodbye. Tier is stuff that it is a mess. What is this what we go back and come up with something new that the hershey bars here i think is more. This is a simple idea that failed. And i like that. This is more of a simple idea than that failed then. This is a an abomination. This is i muslim realizing that did this is not in d. two people it's just one person in but looks like torch. I thought it was dollars. America was one person in a very skinny. other person. no could be a c. Dancing with the broom. Like lou ferrigno. Yeah yeah but i also dimissed. Gd like this is the ghost island. You're going to come up with something better for ghost island like that's the thing i mean. Let's look it back to the very beginning. It was very like okay. We got him invested all these other things that we're bringing back oh crap. We need an individual immunity necklace. Go silent shouldn't be a thing yet. paid something on quick the while the paint dry. Bring it over to the first challenge. Tell you why this is bad because this should have been. This'll like the immunity necklace goes island should be like the most iconic immunex from saliva. History like everything goes island and they made a new necklace. Wasn't even good like that's insulting. I agree. I think it feels like a missed. That's another reason why i was sliding towards the bomb tears because i feel like it's a missed opportunity. Okay and would have been if it was the pill. Islands sorting gun cool three earns bring back a well. The mythology of goes on and was that it had to be misplayed. So you'd have to come up with a time when somebody misplayed the immunity idol. Yeah and one immunity in the last one and took sandra and it probably like that or you could say One time the jury won the sword and as a result darrow was voted out and that was the curse. Yeah okay. I mean we can say i was this better than just bring back like plenty. I like necklace definitely. Not just for fun. My if we were going to add the survivor micronesia necklace. Where would it be. It's a question. Because i feel like i feel like the necklace. The necklace was sort of be in that sort of like in that like samoa panama section. Because again i feel like the nickless itself is really kind of a nothing burger. It's like a generic. Here's a bunch of tv's on a necklace. It might be bullied a bit by the fact that appeared in a later installation. But i think if you lined up three necklaces. If i end up like micronesia south pacific in heroes vs. Dylan's next to each other. And i said which one of these is the micronesia necklace. I think it would be a tough one to pick. So i think in terms of memorably as an aesthetic itself. It really wasn't there. Okay let me. Just how jeff okudah there instead one time like little one this and like you. It's not about winning. It's about what you do with it. Like he could have been really cool and it could have been like. Oh and it was the slippery. Slope led to the only two time winner in survivor history. So far you lose so mad now. That's all right. Well look we can't fix what they did in the old seasons. We can only hope that they don't make similar mistakes in the future. It's the best we can hope for. All right should we. Let's look at our list one more time and look at what we came up with and see where we just woke up and joining us now. Nothing inappropriate with said a great list. One rob yes. Okay all right. So let's talk about our bottom tier. Forget you go home goodbye. We have our game. Changers grab bag immunity necklace our survivor gaborone immunity wreath. And the marcation little trinket idle for those of you who are just joining us successfully. Just yes okay all right. Are we comfortable here. Yeah forever lose it. If we're using your logic rob of it really fits all the categories of ugly a mess unmemorable. I think all three of those really hit hit all those points. Okay well then. I'm gonna quibble with one thing. Because i feel like that we started to find okay. This is a mess. This is a disaster are eight no hershey bar bartender. I think that we defined as a relatively simple design but uninspired anything the engine and yeah all right we have here. Are that from top to bottom a we have our our our palau shark. Teeth are guatemalan candy necklace our survivor panama immunity cape. Now here's right okay. I think that this one belongs in the bottom tier. I was gonna rob. I was just thinking when you said that ain't nobody buys simple. But i think we also looked at that one. There's one doesn't fit. It's ugly so ugly. I'm putting it down there okay. So where is it in the bottom tier. Is it the top of the bottom tier. I've deemed changers. I don't know. I think the size of it is a pretty remarkable piece. I think more so than indeed the odds and ends that comes with the game. Changers one top off your drive to remind you about the dead baby head on this one right but we don't know how many baby parts are on the game. Changers one. there's so much stuff on there. Yes attached to the glue. And it's it's been left in the ball okay. All right so we'll drop these survivor. Panama linda voodoo cape down to the top of the forgetting golf ball. If no like six or seven plays yeah really sheldon victoria. That so We have from top to bottom of the eighth. No hershey bar tear. We have the palau shark teeth. Guatemalan candy necklace. The tusk that That mike enjoys the musk of jian. Tusk necklace the nicaraguan cross necklace. The the samoan fishing hook. The millennials verses genitalia nicklaus. We have been. We did caramel in the vulture necklace. And the ghost island driftwood necklace. Let me ask. i don't went the other way. Are there any here that we wanna bump up to. My life is fine nothing. In retrospect i could see what's nian argument for the shark necklace but it would be on the low end. Yeah i think it's fine here. I think it's good at kicking off the simplistic but lacking It's good like if you just had to put so many shocked teeth. He could have been bumped up a tear. exactly it. okay shannon. Could you come up with a category for what we have here. The five entries here in my life is fine which include the amazon feather necklace. The philippines fashion week amulet the immunity from africa. The original borneo face paint totem and these survivor world's appl- worlds apart flavor. Flav compass. Yeah i think these are largely value to us mostly good but with obvious flaws on on the right path but still some some things that are keeping it from the top tier all right then. Our top tier are two three three musketeers. The three musketeers. We have the th in third place. The survivor cambodia. Fans ver second chances. Immunity vest would say john exactly. We have in second place. The survivor token jeans feathery necklace. Thanks yes and then in first place. The greatest immunity necklace is no necklace at all is the sword sheath and pistol holster. I mean the lesson. Shirley is rob that it's about the necklace made along the way. Not the final result Yes i love. The best necklace is necklace at all. Just defines what we're doing here and that feels right to me. But i in this exercise. I'm concerned bad so many of the necklaces. All this is a professional production on. They seem to be kind of going on a downward trend a little bit. I know that the cambodian wanted me. That was like in seasons point. Let's do an exercise shannon then. Okay let's say all right we get a call after this. Podcast is over from these survivor. Art department season forty one. Hey we just listened to the podcast. You guys seem like you are on the right track. Can you help us develop a a great looking immunity necklace. We love what mike did in season. Thirty nine can you help us come up with a grain necklace for season forty one regardless of theme. Well i mean talking tribal. We had to make an immunity idol and mine ugly and also. I couldn't tie it up not the not so i was just like holding behind. My head was really embarrassing. So we should put on. Your mouth is after just insulting all right well. Let's let's just talk about like because dorm best necklace was something that was not a necklace at all. We think outside the box. how about. i've got one here. Me out. feather bowtie feather bowtie. How about this better crown. Their crowns kiara right. So yeah you've just one media for now personally. Feather crowns goes bad memories. Great for me in my past experience. But i do like the idea of i. We're onto something here. Like i can go on you but not on around your neck. I think that the best necklaces one that are like to. The theme of the season was proved. The pilots weinstocks hoping a thinking. The next season is going to be survival. Wild west is a whole sta and because nobody in america we give them the gun we give them a full on with that loaded up but could we do. It's tough because i would say we could do a cowboy hat for that season. But i feel like because so. Many people come in with cowboy hats. You'd serbia limiting thing. What about like sort of like a bandana necklace for wild wild west that you can tie around your mouth if you want to be up to any mischief and you're smiling back. Yeah describe. I guess it is a bum. That's what about something like that you. Can you drape it over your shoulders. Not sure if this would be more like an immunity towel or community jacket jacket. That would be hard to get one-size-fits-all on the jacket. But like imagining something like nunchucks that you would have over your go around your neck but not close in the front community chainmail where you're like putting it on above your clothing you know. What is. I'm getting to see how the community has because i feel like it started an okay place and the fact that we already gloss mail discussion trust how some of these necessary came to be breakfast. Yeah wonder going back to the of the feather. The feather hats idea like what about some sort of like Like a pirate hat. Like i feel like that that would be the you know you could really put it on somebody. I think that that would be you know like get over here. Come on put this hat on. And i think also it's highly desirable right there. It is very hot and sunny on the survivor. So people are seeking shade at a moment's notice. And then you get one emilee. It's almost like a double purpose like that. Babe we mentioned at the very beginning Yeah it's like celebrating a birthday in elementary school class. Like our is the birthday kid over here. The big hat is your immunity at all right. Have to be like. I wanted to have the evidence of the necklace though. Could it be both a necklace that connects to a hat. And you can wear it reversible. What where it is both a hat and a nicklaus depending on how wanted to put it on and it like almost like those hats that have the the the things that you could be out of. You have the hat and it connects down like a chain that turns into a necklace out of it and you can drink beer out of it. Mike talk we cannot come up with a better. Were striking out but just go back. Jacket idea like i do feel like the h. o. H. gets a robe on big brother. Big brother shannon is a show where people live in a house and our film by cameras which is similar to survivor but it takes place. Yes yes They have a hoa chess and australia. Yeah could you do some kind of a robe. I i think we can compromise. I think a vest can be enough of a one size. Fits all type of thing where it's enough like it can cover enough of view and it can be big enough that you don't need to worry about like arm length or arm thickness or anything like that. Because i think besser five. I've done enough. Show choir my day to know that you can take you a long ways around a bunch of different size people. Yeah what about some sort of like a wrestling belt that you'd be able to. You could wear like a belt. You could carry it around to tribal council and think that i'm the champion of immunity. Here's my question. Is that belts necklaces. Like what is the difference between them other than just how you choose to wear it. All of these necklaces could a very very large. Like you wouldn't have wear it around. your thing. Belts are more so meant to be fitting like they're they're meant to restrict to your body cameras. I think these necklaces as we've seen are not necessarily to be like choking your neck unless you're made of tusk some of them snap assist. What about an immunity garter it goes around. It's like a smaller version of the necklace. Pant leg to show that you're and then the person who wins it after their term is over then they throw it out to the report challenge that i think immunity rain and i mean that's cool jeff as my thing is like butter or anything it just says this is great because we could have someone really be obsessive waiting in metering nature and very gullam like obsessed energy ring. Yeah all right well. I think our work is done. You're all right well. Shannon lemme Go to you i just. We have the still a lot to cover. Because we're gonna hear everything that mike is working on chattan What are you up to. Besides talking. With harry harry podcast. I've actually done a lot of code causing this week. Which has been kind of rare. These times i was on joshua's pusher recaps community buildings on the community person person apple watch but also it's like one of my favorite shows. This community spoiler alert this community a big finale. Or it's just that it's the final episode. Yeah it sounds like a big finale like all my we're doing all. This puts a definitive conclusion. Yeah we'll because community. It was like always on the verge of getting canceled. They have like four different series. Finale coming back up just in case so yeah so anyway. we did the to christmas episodes. Speaking of how. I have nothing to comment on the of the antisemitic nicaraguan necklace. But those are two of my favorite episodes actually uncontrollable christmas may also debris holiday music. We chatted about that which was fun and like it was a big. Ps sr atri weeks. Me because lock goes off on watching with league la just chatting tim flag in our about nothing really patriots. But that was really fun. That'd be really deep. We talked about some stuff. I was like so many people are really listening to this. It was planning conversation. And you want or something. I mean. I'm watching some stuff bachelorette watch you. Did a watching with google podcasts. You weren't even watching anything. You're you're watching your cells. You know yourselves under basically talking about tv you must this cost like not a lotta structure. You don't really know what would be. Just kind of chatting enlist yeah. We add tears very much structure. And yeah i mean yeah okay. Fair enough has been really important but we made by you. Say what you want to about the philly. Anyway so it was onto you push your recast asia but you can listen to the community. One even agent tweeted out the link. So that's what i've been on you. It's a lot less than my but you guys for having me on. This was super fun. It was definitely something. And mike i know. The one of the busiest people in podcasting. What are you up to my. So let's start with the most applicable to you. Rob which is the podcast. We get together every week besides outweighed play out list. Is we get to do. Not one. But two amazing race podcasts. I think so much fun with misery season. Yeah it's been a really great season go so far as to say shannon. I think you know we're definitely gonna want to bring you on for carpets later on to get your thoughts on the amazing race and submit yourself. Unfortunately we get a good response from this episode fair enough. Let us know. I'm embarrassed hug at the end of the lost episode. I turned to him. And he's just like t's down his face and he's like he's a few show crying from the amazing race this week. Michelle victoria he cried multiple times. He cried when he cried. Brandon pas should not be saying this on air. I also take a little bit. But i just and he's been tears and he's just like wow daime to take this moment and like put it in there. They're amazing ways marketing stuff because it is a tear jerking show according to us. We love like it makes you laugh and cry like maybe just makes him cry at people. Crying reaction was firing on all cylinders and and we are hopefully doing so as well. I know that were going to be. I think at the time. This is coming out this. Actually after we do a live recap after the big two hour block race coming this week and of course we'll be doing the tar pits that weekend gathering everything up and of course i'm doing exit press as well for the amazing race over on parade dot com then over on show recaps. I'm going down the hatch. Every week with josh wake layer reviewing even sillier stuff than immunity necklace is over on our loss rewatch podcasts. And then go into the stars with jessica leads to talk about all things star trek as we near the halfway point star trek discovery season. Three then outside of that bunch of other little random things actually survivor. Based of the survivor historians came out with our first part of our nicaragua shows perfect. Excuse me ricky of someone named shannon we covered covered the ads which might be honestly the strongest part of the season. There's a lot of wacky nece to talk about. It really is. 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11:06 min | 1 year ago

La cuna de Vlad Tepes: Sighisoara

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Smart Sex, Smart Love  Episode 56 Dr. Holly Richmond on How the Latest Innovations in Sex Tech are Transforming the Way we Mate, Relate and Masturbate.

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27:40 min | 4 months ago

Smart Sex, Smart Love Episode 56 Dr. Holly Richmond on How the Latest Innovations in Sex Tech are Transforming the Way we Mate, Relate and Masturbate.

"You're listening to the podcast or visit. Www dot podcast. Detroit dot com before information. Welcome the smart sex smart love. we're talking about sex. Goes beyond the taboos and talking about love goes beyond the honeymoon. I'm dr joe court. Thanks for tuning in alone. Welcome back to smart sex smart love on this week's show i'm talking about sex tack with my guest. Dr holly richmond will be chatting about how the latest innovations in sex tech are transforming the way we mate relate and masturbate. Dr holly is a somatic psychologist. Certified sex therapist and licensed marriage and family therapist with offices in new york new jersey. Los angeles and portland oregon. She says millennials are having less sex than any generation in recorded history and asks. How has technology played a role in this and is it all bad. Let's find out. Welcome holly thank you so much throw. I'm really happy to be here so happy to have you here and happy to have you talk about because people ask me all the time. Isn't it true that millennials are having sex than any other generation recorded history. It is true it is absolutely true. I think the one point though. I think the sex they are having it might be better than the sex that we had back in this seventy eight ninety s. And they're so. I think i think they're being pickier in some ways which is good. That is good. So how so in. What ways because they there there's more exposure so they have more information they have the dating apps and we'll get into how that's good and bad but i think they're just so much better armed somewhat with education but just with The choices choices. They know they get to make that. They're not They're making more informed choices about who they have sex with them when they have sex. That is great to hear the bell. We say sex are we saying they're having less intercourse or less sexual contact at all. Met such a good question. And i wanna talk about that too. I think sex tech has helped to redefine that. So it's not so hetero normative it's not just penis in vagina. You and i are going to talk a little bit about adult virgins. Just air quotes there. Because i think that's a word that we need to get rid of us. The idea of virgins i hate that word i hey up perverted like there's all these sex negative terms that i think is just time to get rid of insects. Tacked to be. Honest is helping with that also because again We're redefining what sex is. So when i have these twenty and thirty. Something's coming to me. And saying i've never had sex. I get to say to them. Well what does that look like for you. How do you identify what would good sex be. What would bad sex be an a lot of times. It's not it's just not that hetero normative penis and vagina anymore. Which i think is brilliant so again without the study. That says millennials are having less sex than any other generation recorded history. It looked at penetration. You know it really looked at penetration. But i think we can extrapolate from that. They're just they're hooking up less they're hooking up less Yeah yeah it's really interesting Some people look at that as negative and so people. Good that as positive. But i think it doesn't matter how we look at it what's healthy and right for them and you're saying they're making informed choices right right exactly. Yeah just you know. This is tough and i love how you speak about porn. A lot of their sex education is coming from porn. So that's not good but some of the apps and Sex tech devices that. I wanna talk to you about today. Is really giving them in formation more information sti testing Pleasure devices so all of that's rising in yet porn is still there too but but really seeing the differences in those two pieces. So let's talk about the village. What do you want to tell us today about it. Oh my gosh Look to start with just a story about how the somatic psychology element of this in the sex tech element of this came together for me. So i can can help your listeners really. See why. I got so excited about this because i am not a techno file. I liked technology. But i don't wanna know anything other than just like. How do i get this thing to work. Explain somatic we did. A whole podcast was chirace. Works for us at the center for sexual health. And she talked about a judas to a little abbreviation of what it is. What the yeah so somatic. Psychology is body psychology. So we're looking in the selma. Which is the latin translation for the body So i pay as much attention to what my clients are telling me. With their words as with their body language chronic illness any kind of pain compulsively. How all those things are manifesting through the body. So that's really my area of focus. Of course do some mindfulness practices around that but for me. It's really a direct physiological. Line to the autonomic nervous system so i'm i'm constantly treating the nervous system because that's where these somatic symptoms manifest So with this bodily angle this physical angle. It was gosh probably five or six years ago now. I was watching a show when they were talking about. Virtual reality in this light bulb just went out. Went off for me and i was like. Oh my gosh this is. This is somatic. Sex therapy this is so matic technology because we're inserting technology into a place where clients can feel more like vr. A our pleasure devices Some of these other things. We're talking about today they're really the somatic manifestation of pleasure or of so we don't just need to. We don't just think about it. Read about it we can feel about it through the vr ar means what virtual reality and augmented reality augmented reality. What does that mean. So you're still using a flat screen but there's going to be elements that look kind of like they're they're jumping out at you. They're more virtual. But you don't have the headsets on got it now. You're saying that's good. I can hear people listening to this guy. No that's bad. why is it good. It's good because we get a felt sense of what we're craving right so in vr. Let's talk about vr specifically so you would put on vr goggles. Watch video and you literally feel like you are in the video rights. The use virtual reality for all kinds of medical procedures now. exposure therapy. So if you're afraid of flying you don't have to go with a therapist and get on and off planes in real life anymore. You can put on a vr headset. You will feel like you are flying right. It's all of these. Really somatic manifestations again of of a bodily experience so for talking about this with sex and i just have a little plug. I wrote the first Porn script for vr for vr. See in about five years ago for lissome written by a woman feel film by a woman so english through the virtual reality point of view and again. It's just helping people get more in touch with their body more in touch with pleasure joe. I'm sure you have clients who really have no idea what their body is doing like. They aren't you and they're just like completely in their heads. Yes would i love about what you're saying is like i get guys that come in with e. d. right i and i and i don't even like german rectal dysfunction now we call it a direct held disappointment and love that so much like you say not to save urgent this and up but this would give them if they could have a flashlight and they could have a virtual reality and in an have if they don't have a partner to practice with right. They insta practices and and get more confident around erections absolutely and the the vr porn is getting so good now that it will coordinate so the action on the screen will coordinate the movements in his flashlight so the action on the screen goes faster or go slower. The pulse stations in his flashlight will do the same thing. So he's really mirroring. What in his body. What he's seeing it for women to obviously to say that to their vibrators will be attached to the same kind of rhythms. That's on the video. I'm sure you've had people say the sex negative people will say this is gonna take the place of the people are gonna want that instead of and causey d than what do you say to that For some sure a small percent. Of course i think for the vast majority no. Humans are wired for physical touch and connection. Most of us are still going to seek that out. i don't wanna be completely rose colored glasses about this. The problem with porn dating apps any kind of sex tack of the pleasure oriented sure can take the edge off that connection that people seek in real life right. It's almost good enough. So that's one thing that we have to watch for his like. Are you getting just enough through porn. Are you getting just enough through virtual reality that you're not going out there to seek out in real life human connection but again. I think that's going to be for very small segment of the population For most people they're still gonna that human connection and maybe loved their be porn How do you feel this. -pected us over the last night to ten months living through this pandemic. I mean. I think we have to say technology has been good. I don't know what the re what we would have been doing without zoom You know poor use went sky high for a for a while. women in particular have been buying Sexual pleasure devices. I think all of that's good because we all are looking like okay. What's going to happen next spring in next summer when we can finally come out of this. It's really it's just making ourselves feel better in the moment. So i think it's been fine to use the the studies on porn. Do say people aren't using it for any longer just right. When lockdown happened more people were using it. But it's not like they're spending eight hours a day on porn right and then more people are spending more time drinking and engage in recreational Chemical us and we're not You know people are so quick to make it about porn of. They wouldn't make that so quick about alcohol. They would understand that where people are trying to medicate themselves. Yeah absolutely and I haven't seen the most recent studies but the number of time people are spending on net flicks apple tv. I mean that's in the five six hours a day. But i don't ever see any netflix addiction. Centers anywhere to hear. You say that another people say that. Because i'd say that all the time you clients come in say. I watch three hours poring over the weekend and i did on sunday and i'm like how is that different than watching three hours. Like you said netflix or sports. Nobody would better than i know now so again. It's just a technology. I think is a really easy Place for people to say. Oh that's a bad thing And i just. I feel like i want to normalize. It has a lot of health benefits too. So it's not all about pleasure. And i want to talk about those health benefits as well. Oh please do go ahead. Yes so i have some things written down here. Well first let me say. I do want to go back to pleasure for a few minutes The the sex tech industry in general is thirty. Six billion dollar industry right now and twenty twenty six. It's going to be a fifty two billion dollar industry. Pleasure does drive a lot of that and this of course is vr. Like we've talked about horn to some extent Pleasure products meaning toys. Vibrators dildos those types of things but a lot of these are coming from women lead and women design women engineered companies. So i just wanna give a shout out to them because it's finally. It's time that women are getting the toys that we deserve. their may get out of good materials They don't look like huge palaces anymore. they're really thought about for the women's body. I really appreciate you saying that. I'm sure you know about this website. So i i'm a gay guy but i really enjoy watching heterosexual porn. I like it better than gay porn. I always have and there's a new new it is but it's it's called dot com s. h. h h dot com. Gye went to. I was feminist porn made by women for women. It is so hot. Like an. I really when i watch it. I'm like i really get why people are against or have a harder feelings route porn hob or x. Tube it's different. It's a different kind of hotness Right it's what relational central. i know. I've just noticed that. Yeah absolutely and we're getting more and more of that and you might have to pay for some of this really good corn. But i think if we're looking big picture we should be paying for it. Yes i agree with you. Yeah so there's that on the auto erotica side of things. So there's a dipsy is a site joe. I don't know if you ever use that. Recommend that to male or female who like to hear stories so a lot of people aren't visual. I think we assume oh everyone's visual late like to watch porn. I would say a good thirty percent of my clients are like yet. Porn doesn't interest me whatsoever. But i love to hear stories or read stories so dipsy reads these erotic stories to you. That's great because you're right. There are people that would rather audio is more on audible during the watching. Yeah yep so there's So x e x oh is a device for transgender women so wearable devices so there's things coming out in that arena. I want to definitely make sure we put this on the website. So that was lost in this podcast. If someone doesn't let the whole thing yup Educational platforms i. Play safe is for sti testing Sex bio i mean there are so many great websites out there for sex education But i think. I place avis interesting. Because you can literally do your own testing at home. there's sexual harassment tracking apps medical Let me see my pixel and murari are both for P. e. So really the medical tends to go towards men and performance related issues which i feel like things in sexual industry always go to the men i know i know right But those are great. So yeah i think for me. I just want to point out that they're really. This isn't just about pleasure in porn and even vr which is a lot of pleasure. Vr is used just medically in cancer treatment. Centers they give kids be our Video games in it. Just it takes the pain away because you're having the somatic experience of immersion in the video rather than concentrating on your pain again i think we like like somatic psychologists talk about so often it's getting out of our heads and into our bodies in second can really be a great way to facilitate that. This is all new to me to hear. It put together like this. I went to a friend's house last year. And he had the virtual reality setup in those goggles. And i never really known what was talking about but no matter where you look up down side ways. You feel like you are if you're underwater. You are underwater and your heart beats fast if it goes fast you know what i mean. You're right you have physiological responses. Absolutely if you walk up to the edge of a cliff if you're goggles and walk up to the edge of the cloud now want to take that next step. Even though there's a little part of your brain is like i'm in my living room right. There's no cliff. It's that real you talk about. Also how not notches a help. Us sexual health but relational health. How can it help while. I think so when we're talking about these smart sex toys so that's one way so you know you're in boston and you're partners in california through an app you can link your devices so you can play together so again you control can control each other's pleasure or sink them so you're kind of feeling the same sensations And movements at the same time I mean we can even go back to like the most basic of basic sex tack which is skype zoom Chatting i think at least for my couples. I'm recommending all the time you know because they just get in a rut with each other like okay. What what are we going to do whether you're in the same house or whether you're three thousand miles apart use your technology to enhance the passion right. Send each other sex sex sending each other naked pictures. If that's your thing if you're into it but just use the technology don't just assume okay were. We've been married for ten years. We can't do this anymore. I liked that a lot. It's it does give another way. Another avenue novelty right because we know a therapist. That novelty is important in keeping a sex life alive. Yeah i think it's the seat of human desire right you know. Couples are just especially the long-term colors. Like oh my gosh. What am i gonna do to spice things up and i think technology can be a way to help. That other relational Again just suggesting. Hey i heard the story on dipsy or erotic watch this or i was thinking about playing out this scene would you be into it and if the partner is like gosh. I really don't know if i'm into that yet. But let's let's go to sch- watch a video about it or let's go to somewhere. Show me what you're into so again. It's this bridge between in real life in what's happening for someone in their fantasy world. Can i ask you. What do you do with a couple where one wants to do it in one dozen. That's so tough. And we we all have these couples. I try to find a middle ground. And i find that most often so the person who's offering the fantasy so i really want you to spank me their partner. Let's assume that they've been together for five ten years. Maybe more the partners almost always like now. I do not want to do that But we come back to it again and again we do stories. We really break down the meaning of it. I love the deep archaeological dig into the psyche. Like why do you love spanking like. That's so much fun to me. And i feel like helping the partner understand that they're like. Oh well it's not naughty because blah blah blah or it is not easy but that makes sense because you never got to be ninety a child you were so good had to toe the relying always done everything your mother asked you whatever the story is and now you want to be spanked or you wanna spank me up i get it i like you just speak the same way i speak. I never knew that. I just getting to know you. Now i've read. I've seen some your webinars and stuff. But i've never known you talk about the stuff like this and it's really aligned with the way i think about you know working with couples people. What else did i did. You start to say that you might want to add to I'm just looking at my notes here to joe I think in general just this idea that sex tech is not the great divider digits. sexuality is something that were hearing about more. And i really a huge proponent for that in this millennial generation and younger there are going to be some people who prefer to connect via visit digital devices like that's going to be their preferred way of connection and i really don't wanna apologize that anymore. I'm not saying this is the only way but making a getting to know someone. Digitally through an app is going to be the most comfortable for them just because They have social anxiety because of how they're wired any any of those things that i think we used to thala jobs. People four out connect digitally and then see where it goes from there. And i like that word. That people are learning. Now digits sexual. Yeah what does it mean again. Someone who prefers to connect digitally before they connect in person and especially therapist pathologies like. Oh don't you want to be with a real person. You want really connected. There was nothing i mean. That's important to say in into want but not everybody doesn't a lot of people are on the spectrum and they don't want that this is perfect for them or a sexual or gray sexual. I mean there's so many people right. Yeah yeah. I was doing a podcast with another practitioner and we were talking about this and she has an autistic child in his twenties and literally. I said what you just said in a light bulb went off. She's like holy shit. I've been trying to keep him away from all of those things. Because i didn't think it was good for him but my gosh here's a healthy way for him to start to connect sexually. That feels doable. That doesn't put him in a to a ton of anxiety. Yes right and is safer for yet and it's an it's safer. Joey haven't talked about sex spots because people are alive. They come my god. That's the death relationships the Sexuality here we go. We're all just going to be having sex with you. Find wants a sex. A sex pot is in artificial intelligence. Almost full size. Human replica made out of silicon Real dow's from abyss creations in the san diego area is really criminal. A kremlin got to work with harmony A year and a half ago. Who is the top of the line. You know around twenty thousand dollar a device but you can carry on conversations. She can come in any flavor. You want her to lips skin color boob size nipple size volva but hips and i i got to do kind of prototype therapy session using a gentleman on the spectrum working with harmony and doing be between them and it was super cool. I love vegas. we chills. Yeah adult virgin right yet. Never even hold held a woman's hand he was twenty eight years old. You know people don't understand this. And i had a bad situation. Short version I put out the the the house. It was a brothel. That was declined. Access in some Was that las vegas or something. Yes in amsterdam to write. And i posted about it and the women commented that Let's choose the ella. Well let's let's have men have sex with dead women right so then i wrote back and said dead women. How are how's it any different than a dildo As a dead peanuts and they ended up swarming my my media and like going crazy on me like like. They weren't really went wanting to conversation. They wanted to be hateful about it. So it's it's threatening to people's what i guess i'm say why and i love that story. It is so threatening in. i don't get it either And first of all not. Not many people are going to be doing this but this. This is the typical picture is a man on the spectrum. Right who just just can't like he just can't have those in real life human connections. It's too painful for him. It doesn't work for him. He feel shame when he tries to date. Like this is a nice solution so that might be for someone that could be for some men. would i was trying to do with harmony with twenty something. He really wants a girlfriend but he just didn't know how to do it. So what i wanted harmony to do is just to give him that. Practice to be a bridge between again the fantasy life and that in real life experience just to give him some confidence right yes. Do they make male dolls. Yes they do. They certainly do. Yes so this works. Great for gay men. It works for women who want to have them yet. It women would would utilize stu yes so one of the stories i know is a woman. Her husband died and she had a doll made. That looked enough like him that that was great for her. God yes very sweet story to me it is it is the problem is these things are heavy like seventy pounds again. It's not. this is not a solution for everyone again. I just i love that. You're pointing out like this. It's it's healthy. It's not yucky. No replacing anyone like. Yeah i think in the media though up until now maybe it'll change with people like you talking about this and the media. They've shown people who have this interest and there are people or not about maybe made to look they're on the spectrum or whatever and then you think oh god that poor person instead of no. This is an opportunity for his pleasure. Let him have his pleasure. Exactly exactly you couldn't say it any better. What else would you say a. We have a few minutes left that we didn't get through that you want to make sure people hear about your Let's see So the future of sex. I think i want people to be prepared. That more technology is coming just like it is in all areas of our life. Think about where we were in march and how many people knew about and where we are now and how many people know about zoom. So i think. I'm just asking for an open mind not to just think about this through the typical routes of technology some of which we covered but how expansive and broad. Those can be the bigger picture of health. The bigger picture of sexual health. The bigger picture of relational health just giving couples and individuals more and different ways to connect than what we've had in the past. Because i mean these innovations just keep coming coming. Keep coming just unintended right so again. It's just going in with an open mind and if your your clients specifically are interested in this. Please listen and offer some of these things that we've talked about instead of saying. Oh don't you want to try this in real life. Don't you really want to go out and meet someone. You're so well. Spoken about this. And i think what makes it even maybe more accessible for people to hear you is that you're a woman. I wonder if a man were sharing. I know some mail sex their bizarre. But i wonder if he would be received as well as somebody like you. Who's female talking about this. What do you think my gosh. That's a great question. I am not about that. You're probably rights. And i hope that picture of email sexuality is changing too. But you know for men you have the pleasure cornered complete will bullshit but no this is. This is for women. This is for all sexual identities all gender identities sex tack and really especially for the trans population and people that are. Don't identify as hetero normative. There's just a lot coming for them that that can help them improve their sex lives. This has been so wonderful. How can people find you social media in on the internet. Yeah yeah so. It's at dr holly richmond and it's d. r. h. o. l. l. y. r. I c. h. m. o. n. d. on instagram facebook twitter. And then dr holly richmond. Dot com is my website. And you can reach me through there and you would have been a part of modern sex therapy institutes with us with rachel. Need ricky siegel and we love you. We love having you for this. Very reason of how you dealt with the podcast. Thank you so much. Thank you joe. It was really great being with you So i wanna if you enjoyed the show. 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Episode 7 - The Butcher & The Breadknife

Bad Boys

1:22:23 hr | 1 year ago

Episode 7 - The Butcher & The Breadknife

"This is the show. The Look of the big that men face with two guys that have been there done that and got locked up for it fresh from cell fifty-three with stories to tell that will make you wonder how goodman can become such bad boys live chats interviews and the occasional bad prison joke. It's time to get real and get raw with Shannon. Darren saying the bad boys. Welcome to the bad boys show we Podcast of the show is a podcast. It's a podcast. It's up podcast. You know what we've actually been doing. I dialing show every single day diet now too so we look at if we've been doing daily show and if you if you want a fix of us every single day during the week it's You can actually find us on our chains of it apple topping fad boys breakfast so and my we have some fun and you know we come up with. I don't know I dam where comes from from some way I. It's a little voice in my head. So look you know. Yesterday we were talking about And and if you can you can just picture these when we start. We got a little bored with some points on and I looked up ready to stop the show yesterday and I went. What is and we just out of the show. No wait I actually have no idea what we're talking about. What are we talking about a little bit by surprise because I'd been practising a few things? Yes Banana Bat as I do I get out and about a little bit run very often. Well I had a bat and I run an exercise and I've been to Kohl's movers. Dan Too few shopping centers. They're not sane these stickers on the ground sign practicing social distancing right so I thought I don't think I'll paint practicing social distancing. Saw better start practicing this thing. If people are telling us to do it will bar dot ought to do it. Otherwise there'll be left behind but like I said yesterday following a pretty girl at one and a half million for me when they turn around and you know far enough away. I haven't been Nice jet. But if I keep practicing these social distancing oh I think I'll get it right. So what do you mean by practicing social look at the signs and look at the l prime minister season? Yeah people get out and make sure you practice social distancing in line when you practice something that means you've got to be practicing you get better at it and you'll get good at one diane. You'll you'll you'll go we'll wismar deployment in social distancing so I thought I'm going to research decency if there's some sort of deployment missing out or you know there's a type coal so something in social distancing and what have you found out. There isn't one there is no. There is no diploma. You need to start plimer up. I think what I think will do now. I want to be the first. The very first in Australia. Might be in the Wilderness. This is something could be the first in the world to become a social distancing coach like a life coach Eilly Betta only bitter people are going to love me because I he's not no no not not Cheryl Cheryl you need a little bit too close it. I don't sneeze dear dear through right now going. It's all gone so I'm out the shine on practicing. I will keep practising until I'm of accreditation. And then we'll be able to posit accreditation onto you and teach you. So I could be your first social distancing student correct so I'll be the first coach and you'll be the first student you know where they don't practice social distancing stat. Little biggest pretty much zero social distance. You shared a cell dame when we close rolled. I've landed on East Tummy wrong. That would two different bids by the way will you could call it that. China you can call it that now. Look we've already been accused of of being married in prison and holding each other's pockets. You just fueling that fire. Look I feel any far. Say now. There's a lot of fires they get fueled in prison. And so we are going to talk about the fuelling of fire. We're going to be talking about anger management And we have decided to call this episode. The butcher in the Britain which we come obvious for various reasons that I didn't I witnessed it but but it wasn't me. I wasn't holding. Listen I witnessed your rage times in the go in in the kitchen. Look you know. I'm not a violent person it's about. Wow you used to go off. Well I look. I know I have been accused. I have been accused of being one of those angry penguins from Madagascar crazy penguins. You know because when I get in the car I know I'm driving along and all of a sudden things that just jumping out at me like you know. There's a car coming from the left and the pedestrian walking out there and like I'm just I turned into this psychotic penguin. Doing one hundred sixty nine people are gonNA jump out everywhere of course. Moving talk traveled a decent spend enormous Beta died by the speed limit dogs now Tanya. I'm just a magnet for crazy people. We that funny you say that. Because you're a magnified Christ pulling people used to throw shit at you and everything you know literally throwing. They weren't monkeys through monkeys in prison guards so given it. I was actually going to call this episode the last temptation of Steve. But it sounds too dull but no one. You may stay nothing. You couldn't call him down at all not at all. He was quite interesting. And the other thing. We're GONNA talk about today to which leads onto the the this whole issue. Is You know the fee that we have in prison And the fear that currently exists in prison with the whole corona virus. Let's can look we start cooling see nineteen or something. I'm nineteen. I'm sick here. In Corona virus is our bars really secret. Okay can we cola. Let's call it since nineteen say nineteen. Does it lets the whole right. And I'm sick of it. Because Corona be is losing customer by S- by calling it Karar paypal. Just call it. Say Nine tainted blood easier anyway. Exactly the other thing. I do want to mention before we get into you. Know the the four weekly show. Is that if you go over to our facebook page. We are launching a competition and the competition is when a date with Dez errands date with destiny. And this was not my idea. But you know I'm a I'm a God when you day something or when you know. He's a competition for you on. I'm here all roll with it. Mulkey. We're we're doing this because in in last week's episode you talked about Your Partner. Yes all right and we just want to let all of the the single ladies of the world know that you don't need to be hot perkin because the big day is available. I am single. I've been single for some six months or something like that but you know. Hey Look I'm still friends with my ex partner. Great Gold doing her thing which is three months. But I'm Jay feels like six months. Could you've actually been living here in the bad boys of next year? Have done a non months presents us by the Tomi Attock rhinovirus. We'll have done another non months to give a shit. Where's my calendar? Go to mark this so looking at listen to yesterday's show you'll actually hear the how you can actually enter and the rules. There's there's rules with with With Darrin some David dissenting competition. You have to send him a love letter. I really really want love letters because I love reading. You've already were saved photos. You receiving photos now. I M Yes. It's great so we WANNA say for Jason. Tasteful fight is tasteful photos from women. Don't mean yes. I want everyone to know that I am streit. That's right of no disrespect to the gay communities and whatnot. I just saying I'm straight. That's right and tasteful photos and loves. We want to hear some money is some Romance Romance. I'm a romantic topic guy. Yeah I can't take you to a restaurant but you know what I can show you my true cell phones zoom. Good time on now. We will be having dinner and stuff like that. So as we said go through L. L. Jump on to apple apple search for bad boys brick for shy and listened to be disappointed disappointed. Not Too much disappointed. Jump THAT PEOPLE SO LOOK. I want to talk about this whole anger issue. That happens because a lot of there's a lot of talk bad at the moment. You know people going in for nonviolent offenses and that they that they really shouldn't be in there but what ends up happening when you go into prison is that you end up getting angry for whatever reason sees nothing small things you know so you know. I remember when you were in prison and something happened on the fine anyway. You got really angry. And this was the Chinese mafia incident. Well say of a morning I used to get up very early. Got FOR A walk but I call my partner at the time and six six thirty in the morning and jump on the fire and and because I go there because it was really quite around but there was a group of guys that used to do a PT session Nelson Willy. And he thought about going to do it neither farms. There's a grassy area out there and doing these peace pt session. And Wow though so noisy. And I'm Tony. He my partner on the fine and she was going through a few issues and and whatnot so always trying to you know that. Oh Oh I'm here for you and these guys were really noisy and Audie soldats it. I've had enough. I've had enough and popped up. Enough said shucked up up guys for goodness on the day five always yelling these anger so angry. I lost my shit. Can I say yeah? I think actually I slam the find out. Hang on Bank Barn. I've walked to the edge of the way these concrete area wasn't giving it to these doors shopped. Up Up you fellas up on the side and I was just fuming fuming of storm back to the farm picked up the phone we were. We were finishing the conversation now. We hadn't quite finished in one of the guys has come up on. This brought. Assad me and he was one of the the Chinese guys in and he's Is come up with the shoulder up games being said what? You're back on God. Yeah it was serious and They will walk. Dolphin stuffing that's fun. I said my pace solve gone back down to my unit chest up told those guys off looking may or good and another please. Omran means it does come out. He said I'll walk you similar to tell you something. Okay what's going on? I want to leak in the gauze. You told to shut up this morning at the Chinese Mafia. Oh my God i WanNa pull us for a minute. Because that's what I did a post ship myself. I bet you detail those puckering. Wow that's cool Tony's mafia like. Oh my God okay. So Darren compose yourselves. What am I doing. I think you need to own apologize. Well what if they come my throat? I Apologize I'll lose a finger or hand. I think you just need to apologize. God I walked around all morning sweating shitting pissing all the rest of it. Obviously I was kind of nervous as you would be. Yeah so that all bucket. I need to do this. So gone out. Went up to this unit and he will sitting around playing cards. Those movies where you see them playing cards in and putting hand on there and they'd like all his goodbye. We'RE GONNA lose three fingers. I'm like I lose three fingers. That's I can do with that. But the guy who nudge me sitting. That's it woke David Heymann handout and he stood up and I shook his hand and I said really really sorry. I was angry this morning. My my family's going through some things and you know what a lost apologized to you. I really do. He stood there and look. I mean the on here comes in ways. The NAF someone's coming from behind him. Sure I can feel someone behind me. He put his arm round me. Gave me a hug and said thank you always good. He's all God he's all good or not. I mean she's a setback down and I walked away thinking it really Oklahoma or is it just silent. It's all good for now as you go to bed tonight leading left-hand missing but it won't wake up and go like up dead. That's pretty ordinary. But I saw them after that the next night and he always said good morning in Hawaii so I thought I did the right thing and I think it was the whole respect in the Bulls woke up and say I'm sorry I just want to know where they caught on on the basketball court after that there. Were some points where you went to hang the phone. Do you back off. Now I'd like you. I had similar issues and you didn't have similar. You had a lot of a lot of issues inside because I'm fairly slightly built man you what slightly built in what way you know. I. I'M NOT I wouldn't consider myself Muscley. Tell you one big muscle telly. Telly tubbies and there was a couple of times where I thought that maybe my bowls were bigger than what they really were. And I decided to step out and it happens man up testosterone them stuff so maybe this one day and one time at Band Camp I was. I just knew there was this. There was this guy. We're GONNA call him Beza. You know. Good Obasanjo Bazzar. He was an and just so you know we try not to use real names in this show for obvious reasons you know. There's that whole China his mouth anyway. Basil was the cleaner in the unit. So he was the one that might show. The unit was done the union clean and he had this habit of. We're all getting ready for for work because we would go to work in various places that we work. Well I went to work. I don't know what you did. Well no I I was. I was in the kitchen ever used to complain about the fact that this guy would mop the floor as they were all getting ready to work. He couldn't wait five minutes. Everyone left and then he go right. It'd be knowing that there'd be no one in the unit height like Shit and then just mop retired content but instead he would toll meant himself by mopping while everyone say and then complain about it and Berate about it and it was just you could see that he was just doing it because he just wanted something to winge about loved instead so anyway on you knew this one day you know you get to a point and you just. I am just going to stay shit today because I feel like it. I wanted to. You'll barometer just sort of guys did happen did it was just like boom okay and I picked up my Coffee Cup flip these lead said watch this to one of the guys that was the anyway. I've walked across the floor. That was as you put your boots in the in the garden as well and he's gone what are you doing and I said Emptying my Coffee Cup. No you're not and I wanNA watch me Jeez for a slightly built guy. That doesn't have a lot of muscles bulls man. I'm pretty dumb some so I've walked past him and I've gone to the sink in. I've put the you know the company in the sink and I've walked back to sign him back over any stop me and he just he said don't go back over that floor or else now authorities say. I thought he said he'd kill. Ya something like he did like my next thing he you know like at that point you you Gotta. Stop thinking to yourself. You know like if if something happens here am I gonNa go through with it among GonNa really be man enough to go through with it. Well at that point. Tom Wasn't thinking at all. And I just popped chase down a step closer to him and he said if you really want to kill you and I went okay. Did you PUCK PUCK? Actually nine I know I was always in the Bulls. Yeah dangling them in front of hooked saving. You need these guys. I said go on troy show now. I knew that outside. Everybody hit gathered at the window and they're all watching this all new. Let's like blood so I pushed past him. You know I did the whole the whole soul to push pasta and she said you had you. Did you hit somebody else's bulls to can you have full respite? And I and I said I said going troy and I both passed him over to the door. Anyway as I opened the door I knew I knew that he had actually picked up the map right and he used it like a javelin towards and just as I close the screen door behind me the mop hits mop. I you know Bang. She's that was close. Vote outside and I just went under my under my breath. I closed my eyes and it was his speaks. I relief the January. Vote Away just people. I didn't know I kept holding onto him and I put my shoes on and I walked and I walked just thought I'm getting away from here. I'm just going to keep on moving. Anyway I went back a little bit later on and Because I had to do do launch on to Cook Coke Utan. Stay away from the unit all day. Anyway one of the guys can come up to me afterwards and you know it. Lovely Boys Names Rooney. You Know He. He looked good Ole Rooney. He looks like Mickey Rooney. He looked like Mickey Rooney. Anyway he comes up and he said you know what? I always thought that you are a bit of a GEIC. But he said you went up in my opinion and at that point I realized that it wasn't me being an ego version of myself. This was may actually standing up for myself and going. If I don't stand up for myself if I was to actually back down default by the fall I would obtain someone's bitch will typically will. The wrist of the unit would respect so that. That's what happens. It's it's not only that guy it's the whole it's the whole unit all the whole child because it spreads like wildfire through the hull. Gile that get your your your easy your target and you know you're just pissing wind by exactly exactly and that and that's the thing. It's the measure of Maine when you can stand up and say I know that I'm right. Yeah and it's not and again it's actually it's not even about being wrought it's about standing up saying you know what? I know that I'm doing the right thing and I haven't done anything wrong. And Democrat. Who's standing in front of you? I mean. Listen? I've got a gun pointed to the middle of Question Guy You know you win. But but see the thing. The thing is that that you know after lunch You know everyone comes back for lunch. And he was there and I went up to him afterwards and held my hand out and said you know have that we put this behind us and she shook my hand and he said he said. I got a lot of respect for you as to what you did. And he said Adilson had a bit of a thought about the whole muffing when everyone's busy and minimum afterwards guy right so we got the point across stood Ma grand and he was fine after that in fact in fact he he actually had my back a few times in prison which was really interesting and remember you. Actually he asked you for some some advice and Yes oh no he and he says the seriousness over Roy. This poor guy was actually a ward of the state which means that he had no family. He grew up as a you know in in foster homes. The whole time He when he went into prison. You know the basically the government came in sold all of these assets so he had no house. He's kids didn't want to know him. This was a this was a situation where this pull burger was actually so angry at the system angry at the world. Yes the world had done this to him and you know. I had a run in with the same guy. Yes you're actually because you told me about him in. There was a lot of issues in your unit in relation to him. Yeah and remember you and allies sitting down the front of where the officers were. The office were every morning every day to work and the like. These people are everywhere. There's people around anyway. He used to do. The robby. Fron with the goal is so the tractor combusted. Have a big trailer on the back of the truck and they sit on the back of the tractor and now coming pass no standing there just having a chat with you in you know as a dog just look up and when you look up and you say someone you sort of you know. There's someone looking at me and he's looking back but then he looked at me again as you you look. How didn't he lose his shit? He did he went off. What the fuck you looking at any swearing and yelling at me and yelling at me and again it was that whole point of either. I stand there and just take it all I can find it and what did I do? You confronted all walked straight over to where he was hit the track to stopped he helped off and walk straight up into his face and said what's going on. Hi why you haven't called me. I did nothing wrong here. Yeah and might. I'm just looking at you. That's all I'm doing. And he stood there. I mean he looked around on looked around and there was there was offices. There were people everywhere. I mean this could turn human and putting the D. U. and sin back and we were standing face to face tied Atari and then we both walked off that often unit as always did when I got back from work. You know you're in the kitchen so we're having Beyond and you said to me you said look I think you made a guy say basim because see I think he. He's thinking that this morning was pretty ordinary so went down to his room and knocked on his door and he opened the door to send might height but handicap dislocated and canes and he said might all good he we'd we'd go on an MBA from that day on again. Same thing you'll never had an issue with him not not because that's all it needs just needs something to defuse the situation like that and I think there a lot of situations that happened inside where they could have been diffused. You know a lot a lot easier. But they weren't and they escalated and you know one of those you know there was a there was one guy and his name was Steve. You know and Steve. Steve was a little bit on edge the whole time in our member. He little bit little. He was standing room. Only Holy Duly became my slushy Roy. So a slushy slashing is another term using prison a slushy is someone that helps clean up the kitchen. You know when the the cook makes an absolute mess like me which you do. You'll slushy for million bucks see one. Mri MESSY CHEF. Oh God I loved it. I love cooking. Can I say but you know it looked shine. You've all seen him with these. He likes to throw things around like he's talking about himself. You know that's right flower. He's it's very flair there. I'd make an absolute mess. Well you know he was. He was he was cleaning. They would be meinie times when I would walk past the kitchen back to my cell and he would just be standing there at like in the kitchen. Just staring as a wo- past man who is so unnerving anew anew this guy had some serious serious issues and and I remember this one time I look back at him and I I just stated him and I just went. What's what is it. What's the problem? Anyway he looked at me and it was just it was. This was so scary. He looked Amini said on many getting off. I'm GonNa slit your throat the hook. Oh no look. I'm going to punch your breakage right. Now you know you know. We'll just retracted right up a laptop to that people understand. You can't look you room now. You can look look room. I'm thinking what's going to happen to me. I mean like to the mall. I mean this guy like I just wanted to have a ton you said you're a magnet for this sort from no months. Anyone grew lots of gray hair while always. I was in solid because a year old because of it. What are you talking about so you know I. He came up to me afterwards any thinking. Oh God any wound me right in the room like you know the whole opened the door like you're talking about with that guy that wanted to be friends with you. You know well guys standing at the door and he said I want to talk to you about about what just went down. I'm just feeling a little bit. Find at this point thinking home. What I'm wondering whether he has something in his hand behind his back as like a what have you lost your balls. So he said Look. Something comes over me now a now. I just want to back back for a second because I knew that this guy every Sunday when I was doing the roast he would always disappear. He would never ever help me like dish larose down never never he would never be and the reason is he would go to chapel now. I think that's pretty important for him to get a table. Jebel as many times. Your and I'm thinking to myself. I'm hoping that meeting Jesus every Sunday is actually going to make you a better person. A part of me was thinking you know. Is this guy for real? Is he doing it just because you know he wants to look good on these raw? So as I'm going along with it you know or any way he says to me. Something comes over me when I get angry. And I'm thinking ways this going. What a cloud like is oppression and he said Nar Satan takes over else get worse. Well he wants to throws citing takes I can. I'm picturing the exorcist. At that point you sort of really considering becoming a priest point there. I'm thinking I need to get my holy water out. He actually was was saying that site in tanks over his his body and he's thoughts more first question is added to get heritage. He get to the FEMME. I know era with issues like that. How did he make it to the farm and my question is why? Blame it on the table. That pulled bug has got enough going on like you're going to blame this on him as well seriously as you you know. So like he's talking about this and and and I'm just like okay. Well I think you need to go and see the priests that comes in every Sunday because that'd be really good ideal. Father Kill Raleigh station with him run because he might be able to help you and it wasn't until I found out a bit more about this. This guy that it just everything seemed to fall in place and I started to realize what this guy actually. You know. 'cause he look he came up afterwards after that. Then again you know marine standing in the kitchen and we'd have some good conversations and he looked he said. Look the reason why I know that the devil takes over every time. I say that I shudder like this. Is like you know Ted Bundy. Sort of stuff right. The Devil takes over the reason why the devil takes over is that. I was sexually abused as a child for for fifteen years by my father. That'll do every time I'm like. Yeah well now. I know who the devil his. Let's be really honest right. And so what this guy was doing was. He was compartmentalizing his thinking and anything. That was bad that was happening to him was the devil. 'cause that realistically that was the only way he cope with things right now. That comes back to us as being guys us as being ause. We don't talk about issues that have happened to happen to us. We'll have a dose in the past and I think that's why you know what Andrew Hackett he's doing with the secret. Men's business is such right thing. Dwayne have an awesome show. Because you know it it's it's delving into the issues that you and I have seen or when I have even experienced as men we don't go out and we spruch and talk about and that's what happens when you when you put that stuff to the becky mine. Some really serious issues. That have happened to you in your past. They see they have to come out sometime. Yeah they they cannot suppress that stuff forever. Young and there it is. That's what happens in it comes back to the system not going. Hi this guy's got some issues from the past that we need to fix. Yeah Yeah let's just put him in jail. Yeah Yeah exactly and and you know who as guys wear dealing with a lot of stuff and I'm and I'm not I'm not saying women don't deal with it either but you know guys in particular here because that's what we witnessed guys go through a lot of stuff that that they carry themselves. They don't talk about women at least we'll talk about it. They'll get it off their chest. Have cry everything will be good for the most part of the most? And then there's a lot of women that don't talk about issues in NATO as well but for the most part women are good at talking about their emotions which is always bloody awful at talking about emotions. We just go You know what everything's good everything's fine. Let's go out having a beer. We'll be right and it's not it's not it's just compounding the issue yeah making the issue far greater than what it probably could've if you'd knocked it on the head earlier and I'm one of those I'm one of those all went through a lot from a young boy as well going through The boarding school systems and things like this and it can come back and bought you in her you and not necessarily in anger. It can hurt you and all the different ways in within your life with you moving forward and I understand that. And that's why I think. What Andrew Dwayne doing his really awesome the gauze need the bloody will talk. Yeah exactly definitely check that out on Apple It's just coming out. It's cold secret. Men's business and they have some really good conversations on that and people don't understand that Andrews Piketty guy and Dwayne is numbered later. Yeah Yeah and so. We're actually going to be having a chat with Dwayne soon We're we're also going to be having a chat with them with the doctor Talia Anthony. She's going to be on talking about the Just some of the the effects that are actually happening with this hoke corona virus thing nineteen China United States. Say Non Tenure. Please say Zane. Do you want me to write it on the board. Yeah right on the board because you know I. I think it's important. They ninety hundred nineteen come on. Let's change it people to say nine team because I'm frigging sick of hearing corona involved. Got The screen cremades coming literally in the bad boys. Bunka and cream trucks going fast. Well the orange tree chocolate back. Go give me an ice cream. Oh Hi Lucas. Say Nineteen is done. That's right hacking the offscreen main be driving around in an ice cream truck during the corona virus. He's doing business he is. He's got something to do well. He's actually stopped in front of airplanes. But we're has the ice cream truck going now. They're back now they're back. Everyone support your local ice cream truck. That's the old school businesses back on track again. Make sure he's got a Karenna. Virus approved seeds teen. I'm going to have to run that. I haven't bar code nine. Nineteen see nineteen safe. So you know just before we have a chat with Dr Thalia You know we are going to. We are going to talk about the butcher in the breadknife. It's an epic story how we are going to talk about. We're GONNA talk about that at the end but just before we do that. I know you've had running with the Chinese mafia. You've also had a run in with a mad rush to whether that Russian okay. Sorry Picture when we went up to see we were down in the bottom units to start with and then we moved up to what they call heights block and it's a bunch of donkeys put together. You know the camp donors and that was kitchen. It was quote rule. Might up it was quote will done. But you don't have made up of what they're like five or six rooms toback and the wools pipe. Athene every night. I had this guy next door to me. He's nine with what was his name is name was. Let's just call him nigger band rushing ed the Mad Russian well. He was next door and a on Nano ten o'clock at Noida. He'd start renovating it was it was it was like the local. Remove Chuck coming to take him out and move somebody else in. I'm going to move the disk. He no not like it here. I'm going to these banging and crashing. Oh God what is either is throwing himself around the room will he was. He was actually digging in a skype tunnel which it could just out of the fence skip. He's not going to help him but anyway he just looked at the front tank. Teaspoons Y- you can literally get. He get out at any stage but it was lucky he. He was beating kicking off in the room. Look how Loyd look for bruises Renovating so it. Got The better of me because this oblast for hours literally two one two o'clock in the morning but you also gotta remember. The lockdown was a little earlier and so where we would normally stay up until eleven o'clock twelve o'clock not normally in on a on a on a weekday. You're in bed by like thirty. Nine o'clock yeah so one morning I had. It had the better of me I remember. Union was Yoon Adam. I think he was sitting at the table. At the and having ranker's well having breakfast doesn't do something about this. 'cause I've had enough of of Ned. The Mad Russian renovating his his his room anyway. So knits come in and he always used to walk out is Vladimir Dot no-shirt on but I'm going to come out of my room guerrilla Wilkie and he's here he went up to him and said Nid look. I've had enough done what you're doing and they're not about. Can you please stop renovating until one or two o'clock in the morning well did say the Mad Russian heat went off his tree? He started yelling at me in Russian. He was throwing his arms around in the air of all. This is great so all I went backed up as well because I'd had enough. I had no sleep and so right up always yelling both yelling and next thing you know. Everyone's running out from all the other units and whatnot safe. There's going to be a fought. There was people there how much Tomba got lived he. Yeah I don't WANNA go back to maximum security of IVA flight now. This is not good. I've got like a month. The guy and it was so stood up always so angry. I walked over to a table. And the only thing I could do is grab my bloody cereal bowl and I threw it over the fates. Terp this thing you sort it we nearly had skippy in the head launched. I like this fences like a fifteen twenty eight high fence and I'll have launched right over the top of the fence it landed out in the paddock. Somewhere and the Mad Russians looking at me. He looked This guy's crazy. He walked off and I'm still standing fuming. Everyone's waiting for thinking is that it is that it's just GonNa be a cereal bowl throwing thing and that's that was the end of it but you know what he kept renovating he did. Didn't he didn't stop the whole time. He was hitting renovating. I had no idea what he was doing now. I thought you know I've got a little bit of time left of Jessica. I'm going to notch Dan. It's fine I can send that I mean my only concern when you flip that ball. I was thinking thank God. It wasn't my boat because I wasn't finished arms cranky. I was so angry. And you know those times when you are really WanNa hit this guy. But don't you find that like that things little things set you off in there? That's every single time. We have on the line a doctor that is actually being responsible for a a letter. That's gone out to The government about this Whole covert nineteen lockdown. Issue that securing. And we're going to have a chat with her about that but but also on the whole theme of Of the of Anga you know we. We want to touch on the fact that that the whole anger in prison is really being Amplified with this whole corona virus. Oh can you imagine if we were in now? I mean we were doing nine months. But if we're in now and this whole lockdown was taking place I mean. We enjoyed the fact that we could have visitations every weekend from loved ones and phone calls. Can you imagine being in their locked down not being able to see them? And this whole issue on the outside happening. But I've seen you go. I wouldn't want my brick bowl off the table. Okay I had a couple of anger. She's always until I go. Cute is now so we've got Dr Thala Anthony on the phone and on the line she's going to have. We're going to chat with her about this whole issue. How are you Talia? Yeah I'm good. I mean you know what's really funny is gearing people saying that being stuck at harm. Will those people quarantined in the hotels coming back from says that it's like being in a prison like you've got no idea her in a prison that annoys the hell? Outta me actually had really really does you know they getting their meals and China and I said the other day one of the shows I said shine what do you hold is he said Yeah. We'll stay hotel. Well what are they complaining about? Exactly when they signed what they're saying is that the food is is a bit ordinary like you know they get it wrapped in plastic and here it is and it's like well at least it's wrapped in plastic. Do they get your lucky to prison? Did they get just him upon apple and some salad for lunch every day? To make your it nigh probably because they have to fight over the toast get chased around the block. Because you know some some big fellow Ricans at you've stolen his tastes and lineup Finland up for your feet now. They have to get strip search before they go into the hotel. I duNNo a Christian unemployed certainly no strip says wear anyway just so so Elliott. Tell us a little bit about. I mean like we've been talking this episode of anger and a lot of the people that are currently in prison at the moment is I think forty six percent of the people that are in prison. I ran for non violent offenses yet. Things like what what's happening with this whole. Look down in the carnivorous. Do you feel that. It perpetuates Anga yet. Angry An FIA and Anga I mean it's really Is censored complete hopelessness. That are not really what's going on. Same a Lotta vicious rumors that there are infections inside but none of those confirmed failed. That the sense of helplessness and heartlessness. Maine's at paypal a really struggling to crisis and we saw in Columbia in India in sorry Italy heaps of people involved in uprisings trying to escape and then as possible that You know about thirty people have died. Imprisons just from the uprisings. It's it's become really intense and people feel that it's a dip sentence now because if it goes around the prisons not only is there. No it was skype Pat. And you know you'd know what health services alike inside the was the Hillis nonexempt services are getting a pet at all wants and it took me two weeks. I think he hit they hit. I was gone by then I I remember. I remember starting to watch the walking dead before I went into prison and I kept thinking to myself. What if they was Zombie Apocalypse? Waste crude right now. I mean seriously so I mean I know this is not as extreme as that yet but I mean if something like like that was to happen and because it's so oscillated it really means that it's like we talked about it being a petri dish. It means it's Kinda just spread like wildfire. I might issue is now if the staff get it. Now if you've got a One of the officers who comes in and they're contaminated with concurrent Avars. Every other person that works there has to go to `isolation. Who's looking after the prisoners and the prison? It's a really interesting point and enter. The infections industry imprisoned so far. It seems they will ban stop a might be just because they are the ones being tested but nonetheless we do. Nari. The officers are Bringing infections but what's really interesting in the UK in island is this starting to release people from prisons not only because of the Ukraine of ours. He's GonNa explode inside but also because there are so many prison officers who painting selected. There's no one to manage the prisons. So they'll I K- off you guys. Yeah exactly and that's fair enough and the inmates running the asylum. An oil all put money on it that they are not getting tested. I will put I hear gain. Weight has premia get on the coal. Get on the fine for Premier and tell us that these guys and girls are getting tested logo. One of the biggest fees that we had going into into prison was Hep C. D. R. I. Because you know I. It's rampant through prison. The whole thing is that if you get it you can't get rid of it You know with you for life and because it's such a closed environment you know the chance of you getting. It was Iran about the eighty percent of the lane. So okay is something that is is fairly common and you see it around the laws. This is something that is a brand new strain. The chances of getting spread through is even greater because if one person gets it it hangs around for two weeks. It's able and you don just get it through blood transfusion or anything like that. It's it's on Middle Services Services. They've got all the gym equipment along the beaches and The benches closed off. Now any saw the prison is if somebody in their warping all the CIFS is down constantly. I'll say no because no one wants to go on the floor. There was that crazy guy. That was glad wrapping everything. So maybe he's going through the police. He's only in one unit reporter. Well that follows onto a letter that you produced and written To the government. Tell us a little about that. Yes we were We were really worried. I guess our expertise criminal law and an prisons and way whoa worried about the effect that prisons would have as a potential iffy sanctuary of the virus. And we're looking at what was happening. I say so when I first started Campaigning and writing about this Iran head released eighty five thousand prisoners light. That's Massey's like Jay's they must be worried they obviously naughty something to do that like Iran. Everyone release anyone pretty punitive state like for them to do it. And then I and then I noticed it was happening in Western countries. Us UK started releasing papers Canada. And I started to question why Outweigh Bang on the front will live way out. Forty five thousand. People looked in prisons and youth detention centers not to mention immigrations centers but So it it just seemed like a logical preventative measure. Not only for the people inside but what about for everyone in the community. 'cause people from prison release you. You were released within nine months in the Groin of ours doesn't look like it's going anyway. Within nine months if learns acted and then they going into the community. That's going to be a burden on the community in hospitals and there's a lot of people the the sorry to interject that forty five thousand. There's apparently or ten or eleven thousand or thereabouts. That are actually just on remind. They not even haven't even been sentenced. I mean couldn't I work out a deal? Where like get these people out on bio give them strict Bil- conditions mentioned? Apparently you know it's like prison anyway. Won't attention nail. What's the difference? Don't you think I mean something like that? At least give them some strict guidelines and conditions to do it he to and get them out. Yeah absolutely because I feel like I mean look. These people shouldn't be. I believe many people who their own reminds. You haven't Bain know proven guilty That shouldn't be there anyway. Anyway so just feels like disproportionate punishment to subject them to to that environment but also by eight prince a lot of pressure on these overcrowded prisons happy spiced physically distance. It's the acting like know like cow's Other how close I had to get to shine. It was pretty close. That was scary for me even I yes I reckon that. Say It's a NI- Brian I and you know look win win. The courts are hearing bail applications Of people inside they are being pretty lenient but the problem we baddies light one person at a time a really funky stem. Why doesn't the government take a bit of leadership in this is what we're calling for to actually be static? Look at you know you lie level offenders your vendors who are going to get out in the next twelve months yet elderly and bone rebel capable united. That WOULD INCLUDE ABORIGINAL. Tara straight onto people who have really substantial health issues inside and outside You know they. They would be really affected by outbreaks. So why don't we just have ceased to matic approach where it's GonNa plays it straight to? The community will leading out. Lowry's paper on a flip saw the economic portion of it as well. I mean it cost one hundred thousand dollar house a prisoner for year. I mean okay. Australia's GonNa Struggle Now The economic Hardship on that is going to be pretty huge monkey. Let him out and put him on the on the on jobs taking up slightly much chafe at and what a what a great way for the government to to sell it. You know taking we're putting money into beings alike protective measures and welfare rather than putting it into prisons which is just waiting for disaster to happen. That's what we'RE GONNA. We're gonNA hear from Dwayne Ben Harrison in a minute With regards to the indigenous population in prison. But you actually Are Massive advocate for that as well In for the release of the indigenous population. Because I I believe it's up to about nearly a third of the population in prison is indigenous. Yeah and look for me. That's just systemic racism. Many of them there really short terms. I work You know a lot of the Corey Women in New South Wales and they got kids at home. They're there for shoplifting. Or driving he just is what what good is prison GONNA do? A compare to what bad it can do for the rest of their lives. You know for the families. We've seen that. We've seen how bad it can be and it can change people. Can it can send you in one of two directions and it doesn't help. It's not the solution. Sometimes it's the problem and I think I think if we can focus on nice populations in the relase we actually might find spit We come out of this bit stronger. In some ways we come out of we some recognition that we can put in some release. Oh data's ration- whatever you WANNA call it and it doesn't have a negative effect in fact it can strengthen act communities by supporting these people rather than adding to the punishment of not only prison but prison in a hotbed of potential viruses. Now you talked about women and And we GONNA have you back on for a discussion In a few weeks time about women in prison so You know I I'd love to have you back on to have a talk about this issue because it's something that is kind of we don't talk about yeah and alerted. Mccurry WOMEN INSIDE. Say No one his voice. You know the judge doesn't he the envoys Yeah and that's why what you guys are doing is amazing giving voice to some of these issues of making it not to be but is it just hateful in that community. They often shining shell. When we're inside I mean we met a lot of interesting people die Guinness Wrong. Lots of interesting people. But we were thinking what happened to the days of prisons would just Rapists and murderers and there's people and as you say shoplifting traffic offenses what what what why. That's ridiculous and unfortunately Once you get I mean I think obviously you'll poppies is like fantastic but sometimes once you get caught up into that system and then you might get at. You might lose your time. You might lose your kids like a can really spiral and I feel like The the only way to break that cycle is to papal support. And let saying there aren't lots of high needs people in prison because they it would have complex. Shoes bent prisons. Not a solution at actually can compound those issues. Yeah absolutely totally agree. Absolutely all the best. We hope that This actually you know all the efforts that you're doing Will actually bring about a change. Because it's it's well-needed right. Thanks take care. Thank you very much doing what you do will continue to do that. Worry cheese they add by look at approximately forty. Six percent of Australian prisoners are incarcerated for nonviolent offenses so this is people who are in the four driving offenses Alcohol Substance Abuse now similarly. And this is why we're actually going to be bringing on wind bannon Harrison who is The CO host of secret. Men's business and the reason we're bringing him on is because aboriginal people are massively over represented in the criminal. Justice system is in Australia so in in in the whole of Australia. The indigenous population only represents three percent of the population yet. There are more than twenty percent of aboriginals within the Australian prison population. That is unbelievable. It's huge so we've got dwayne Ben and Harrison. He'll on the line to have a bit of chat about this. Welcome to the bad boys. Dwayne gentlemen and Greg Greg. I want to sit in the scene. I'm super excited because join you are actually one half of a brand new show. That's being launched this week on Apple cold secret. Men's business or talk to think of myself as the senior other half and Andrew. He does the nicer this. I have to agree. What if not context and your background? My father was born and raised like aboriginal mission on the on the fast. It's a community of around one hundred. Fifty people at the prison tolerable seen as big gathering could be around for hundreds ache. He was raised on down there and You know it's interesting in more journey because I have a mother who's Boris. Galley tendency hallmark arch blackhawks. I got an interesting Four mix of tongs on. What do you? What do you think some of the things that happens at faces? A lot of indigenous guys that get into a situation where they they are getting incarcerated in the percentages are fairly high. What sort of happens I? It's it's very dark spot. There is a commonality in at all and definitely is men. Losing their all and Some of these young boys being bicycling. They've just been given not not many chances at all to not be become a statistic in the system and that's what happens and we saw that whole revolving dual Whilst we were imprecisely it it happened to us. We we saw guys coming. Go out come in and go out with the short time that we were there and and and that's why we we decided to show. It was all about education and rehabilitation And we also I mean blast putting a lot spin on ash show making it fun and happy and everything that's just Into time he that they want to laugh. But at the same time the undertones that are all about education and rehabilitation. And if you join the two together we can all have a lot but but but get get something done. And that's what we're all about is is is trying to restructure the system and do something a little bit better with it so we're not having guys who you know. Have a fallen Ramona traffic incident or something go to jail. Jail was originally FA- murderers rapists and hardcore criminals. Not People doing those sorts of things. Yeah yeah look at. It's just in in to wrap everything up. Had A you've feel about you know this this whole Early release for a prisoners. Given the current circumstances. Have to be really honest. It's a fifty fifty split for There's the the social justice where you go a combination problem and making sure that that's why don in wide is obviously the the the I will whelming. Health concern side at the hall is a bit of a string question in one way but August hyped it Dareez As best as Cambay consistency. I think that's the case bank consistent with the decision making Of course you know. You have a lawyer opposites offense a reference before what's this offense is it Some of the Gaza remained of coal. Which would be the proportion condemns albeit Not For that matter It's it's the obviously identifying the elderly and mustard risk. Look this tough decisions. Getting everywhere ought This is GonNa be another one allies with a lot of one St. a lot of issues teething issues with within. Not why I do worry. I worry full out communities in the mice pot period. Anyway About you know you guys have shed some law on something. That's really really important in in mid population population that are in Casa right. It's I I think what he's the top question From shine inconsistency probably wear were on. What would like to say listening to the advisories Making sure that fight through the proper consultation At the end of the dialogue the site the men especially the indigenous men will men for that matter what go into obviously the rehabilitation and intervention programming and the workshops in the therapy that we have with. I have to implement that and how that's done is probably still a working progress. Yeah great answer that it's a I think that's all we can hope for is consistency and that the right decision is made right now. Whatever that we understand they making some tough Kohl's and I'm sure the prime minister as much as we can give him hill for the step and the other. I'm sure he's not getting much sleep in is doing the best he can to. Yeah some of the doors and government guys and gals and government exactly Darren. He'll salaries a chronology shock support. So I I can. I can sort of grab thing to anything shocks having very accustomed to losing slight except for two weeks. Thank you always have to bring that one up here I'm an avid fan. It's a missing it watching reruns because of missing I remember. I remember when we were in in prison and he was getting some excited about the fact that Sta Virgin was on. I'm like but it happens every year. And he's like yes but you don't understand but it's the same two teams like I. Just don't I just didn't get it? You go to Beta always gonNA take him to a game. This youtube account even do well. Thanks twine for For joining on the show and good luck with the launch of secret. Men's business it's out next week on apple and Yeah I heard some of the shows fantastic absorbs. It could work. Thank thanks gentlemen in love and your work that you guys doing. All sides side tycoon. What's a pretty chaotic column for everybody at their I and Have a good day. Thanks so I just did my cheese so you know it is a really really sure that exists sat there and and I think we all need to really be mindful of the fact that if you're going through this whole corona virus issue that C. Nine teen if I haven't written it on the Board folks so just bear with him if you're going if you're going through the C nineteen issue You know just be mindful that they may be going through some some anger management stuff too because it does exist in the it does. Yeah I think from the partners who were on the outside who are listening to us You know if you hear frustration on the on the fine from them or you know get a little bit angry on the fire or whatever. I think it's just a matter of Bay with them You you do not understand the frustrations in saw little things little things that you of little tiny things and to them. It's like like a mountain. Also you baking cakes and stuff you put an extra tapes or potato sugaring. Stop throwing sugar around the kitchen and that brings us talking about the kitchen. That brings us to today's topic. And that is the butcher in the breadknife butcher. Now we're going to call the butch mack the knife because he was pretty good with a knife. I mean if we wanted anything shopping he would shamanee now. This is the the R Roenick thing. Is that when you were putting charge of the kitchen? You put in charge of the knives. Here's enough bunks. Didn't you have to go and click the north books every morning every morning? You collect the take it back to the lineup and books back but it was there all day. I mean like you know the the thinking. They're thinking Oh someone can pick up off in the middle of the night and stabbed someone so let's bring all the knobs back for protection you know. Forget about the fact that they actually sitting there in the open all day right someone can just walk up and grabbing at anytime so this one guy he would call him back so you know he's actually the the butcher so every week we'd get made he would he would. He literally was a butcher right and he knew had a mate. And you had a slice info her up and I actually wasn't a museum for drugs. Oh yeah he was in for drugs. It wasn't it wasn't violent related. In fact in fact this guy was a bit of a teddy bear really did not want to cause problems. Didn't want to didn't want to get into argument because he knew that if he decided to get into an argument he would win. The guy would be mincemeat literally and so he thought. Well I'm just GonNa stay clear style. Well something happened one day and I had another slushy. I had all the good sloshes I had. I had all the really imbalanced guys. Let me tell you as like. Do you think there's something wrong with you? You couldn't slushing belt as like Oh shy needs a new slushy. Oh there's another crazy one. Let's throw it to to to shine. Well this particular guy he was. We knew we knew he was on drugs. We knew he was on the drugs. E E we knew that he was actually He would he would take what was called. Sabi. And what do you mean? You're saying this drugs in doing really well. Look you know. Somebody is actually an alternative to heroin. Will it's what they used socks. It's people who are Who are drug addicts that the doctors prescribed them? Yeah except when they get it into prison. They don't deal with the way the doctor would normally give it to them right. So what they would end up doing is it would come in a middle strip and they would crush that middle strip down and then they would put it into a needle and there would actually take it like they were injected into the vine. So what was actually happening? Was the metal in the on the. Strip was actually going into the vine as well and it was toxic. It was bad but we knew this guy like he would come into the kitchen to help me with with cooking and There was one point. I just went my can. You just can just go with his eyes wide open. My God they would you. That will like sources so we might you really before something happens. You GotTa Gar you dealing with fire here. Something could blow up his gas seriously guy. Well this one day he got he was just. So why ED? He started to pick a fight and the first person that he came across out of all the people in the unit including me. He probably couldn't punch their way out of a wet paper bag. He decides that he's GonNa pick a fight with the butcher the butcher. Let's let's be honest e the butcher was probably three times the size of you. Oh huge guy. Massive right and then wouldn't take any shit would not take shit so here. He is standing there. This guy starts having a go at him trained trained from Punchy transferred in print Trent was not trump was not old era so so Trent starts to have a gala this guy and he reaches around to the North Fox. Now everyone has gathered here because those a fought he was it was it was blowing was yelling. And he'd he'd started having got this at at the butcher. The butcher had sort of it was like it was it was one of those cartoons. Yeah where he puts his hand out and go in the head and the guy's trying to punch but this book is just holding their humid by this is getting so badly he got he got punching the stood there and just shook his head was like literally like a James Bond movie and he said Shuki Hidden and went my God. What was that? Is that all you got. And then he just went boom. Knock this Guy Baldwin everywhere guys just going? I've got I've got find. I've gotta find a knife or something to protect myself with. So he's gone into the kitchen into the into the north box. This is where people start running. And everyone's like no even like gravitating towards the kitchen. Knife fight we are going to be and so he's grabbed the first night that he could come with and he's whipped it around and gone. I've got a knife and it was the breadknife like of all the known to pick up the worst possible knife. Anyone I'm GonNa sit right you today. Do Bush's just looked at him and just shook his head and he just went. You freaking kidding me right. You picked up a brand new well. Here's this God just slashing at every way with these breadknife thinking he's like a big sword yes. I didn't think that he could. He could cut anything with it. He got a key to cutting the BUTCHA got caught with the age Brit. North is like cut cut cut cut cut cut like about five times like it just serrated down his arm and there was blood going everywhere from it. I'm thinking man. He he probably actually has a has a go at this. He could actually win this fight with the person with a friend. Well let's just say it was over before it began. You know one little one little cut on this guy's I'm and he just went off. Get Finish this one all ours. Roll back to the back of the head and they just went on go is laid out on the floor. Lots out out out for six and this the Bush has just turned around and walked away. Jump back on. His bike went back down to the kitchen. Didn't WanNa talk about it and you know the funny thing is no one said a word. I've done it. That's that's the thing that we're talking about it. But he didn't say thing the trend anything he just had a very huge black hole. Hey how you why. I don't know either I don't know either but but look you know the reason why we're talking about this today and and you know we do. WanNa finish on this. The reason why Trent had a go at the bourgeois something was said about the drugs about him not being able to deal with Shit and turned out that he had actually been put in prison for manslaughter because he was driving drunk and he was in a car accident with his best friend and his best friend was killed yet so he wasn't dealing with things he wasn't dealing with things at all and and let's be. Let's be honest if that happened to you the guilt that you would be going through with that hence warrior turned to things and most people turn to things like alcohol drugs. You end up with some sort of addiction. Yep You know especially like you end up in prison for something like that. So one you've lost. Your friend killed your friend so you. You've been tormented by that. Then the glory of the Justice System says all we can now. We're GONNA send you to prison and punish even further Wrought wrong or otherwise with the whole manslaughter thing and he's getting punished again. So inside what? You tend to see some guys in that circumstance. We'll punish themselves over and over and over again. They do and you know we were having a bit of a coroner annoy so the simple fact is you've got to drink responsibly. You've got to be smart or diaby an idiot Doumbia decayed and drink and drive. You know because something like this can happen. It can ruin can ruin your life and everyone else around families around you. It's it's it's a massive problem And that's the whole point of an I do get I do get the whole Drinking and driving thing that people should not drink and drive or tight drugs and drive. You know if you're going to a party. Oh you know you know you're going to be doing something there's always someone who could be responsible exactly and there's and there's auto or whatever there's all these different things they near goodness may get harm because again coast. He can look. I think just be really aware of the fact that you know e e that there are people in prison right now on nonviolent offenders but because they're in an environment that is pretty toxic at the moment with everything going on with the whole say nineteen right it is toxic and I think that what we have to really show the compassion to what is going on and go. You know what these guys know. They know what I've done. I've done their time and stop labeling the judgment you know we all such great judges of things out we we judge people judge them for that what they wearing what they're doing and what they've done undestand people who are in sort for the Mars pot a kick in there I know US yeah. They're judging themselves more than you will ever enjoy. Yeah that's it that's it so you know there's plenty of organizations you can turn to beyond blue if you you know if you're talking about depression that sort of stuff you you know if you need to go to a or or drugs unanmous and plays reach out and talk to someone who can actually help you before it gets too light You know that is the most important thing right now. There's not even in prison you know. We're in lockdown at home. For goodness sake which is nothing like prison. But there's still stuff you're dealing with inside in your mind harm and the point is with the technology we have now. There's a lot of access to a lot of things Go there's even access to our group L. Group. Yep It's only small but even if you join net jump on this and lock morning people on the people have gone through a few different things and the more we can get onto a group like Al Group. Then the more people you've got to be able to reach out to and talk to about certain issues and there's a lot of people out there who are strangers who are willing to listen and we have a lot of fun too. I mean let's face it you know. It's not all about seriousness. That's why we do what we do to have some fun we do. We do this to be light hearted which is why we did the been awesome relation outing. I'm actually heading out very shortly to dress up. Zombies get we had to give it another go and in fact if you check out the daily show the breakfast show We are actually going to be running a challenge next week and that is to do some videos to dress up. Do some videos based on your favorite movie saints. Boredom busters autumn busters autumn. Because everyone's bored. I need to do something. Gosh jump on and do something. You'd be crazy not to crazy that. Get you in trouble with the law. If you're listening to this in prison get your my ball. 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Termina el viaje de la segunda temporada  In Love With Switzerland 24

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32:06 min | 3 months ago

Termina el viaje de la segunda temporada In Love With Switzerland 24

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Gregory Orr  Shaping Grief With Language

On Being with Krista Tippett

51:26 min | 2 years ago

Gregory Orr Shaping Grief With Language

"On being is brought to you by the John Templeton foundation. The Templeton foundation harnesses the power of the sciences to explore the deepest and most perplexing questions facing humankind. Learn about how scientists supported by the foundation took the first ever picture of a black hole at Templeton dot org. We often explore on this show, the places in human experience, where ordinary language fall short, and we're poetry finds a way in on a first hunting trip with his father at the age of twelve Gregory, or accidents, shot and killed his younger brother, yet, he has rested gentle, healing life giving words from one of the most terrible traumas imaginable. He taught at the university of Virginia for forty four years in this hour, he teaches us. I love about poetry and lyric poetry. Is it says it's not God's plan. It's not have a detached, philosophical attitude. It's you, as an individual being can make a poem or redeploy that will honor your individual identity your your existence. What's beautiful about a poem is that you take on this chaos and this responsibility and you shape it into order make something of it. Emerson says what we need to be as active souls. I'm Krista Tippett. And this is on being. Gregory or is the author of over a dozen books of poetry and prose he is a poet in the lyric tradition the poetry of emotions often in the voice of individual experience, which also lends itself to song. I met him at the two thousand eighteen Geraldine r dodge poetry festival in Newark, New Jersey. Thinking as I was getting ready to speak with you. That about how human beings become wise, sometimes by discovering things. No one had ever known before. And sometimes we become wise by remembering and rediscovering things that people knew forever once, and then we forgot and I, I'm aware in the circles in which I move this really this really unexpected movement of our time often led by young people by millennials who are claiming grief and loss and death as human experiences. And there are things held death, cafes and the dinner party, which is a movement and is founded by people who had terrible loss in their early lives, and there was no place for them to talk about that in the world. And so the what they wanna do is claim grief and death as something that's not not to Thala. College, is it? But as a part of life that we reckon with and show and can ask and can kinda company others in and be accompanied in. Yes, it is. It's fascinating and bring the greed person who's lost back into some form of human community. It sounds fascinating. I'd need to know more before. Well, I mean I thought about it, obviously, because an origin point and really enduring focus of your poetry. And of you becoming a poet was with this terrible, terrible death, and boss. Which was your younger brother's death, and you're on the cusp of adolescence. You're as you said, you're a kid participating in popular American ritual ritual hunting, firing a gun becoming a man. And actually, I'm not going to ask you to read the poem that ice in every interview, I've seen everybody hands, you this poem, right at the beginning, which begins I was twelve when I killed him. And I just I we're going to talk about that, but I kind of just wanna start someplace a little softer. I mean, I think small talk has a purpose right to ease us into other conversations like this. Where did you grow up? Where yes I grew up in upstate New York rural Hudson valley. We had one stop light to drugstores, one jukebox in the dark drugstore and. Seven or eight churches. My father was a country doctor, so we lived out in the country. And as you say, one of the rituals, one of the realities of that world to realities, I guess, one is going to church and the other is this going hunting, and there must be other ones too as well. But that's where I grew up. You've often said that. That you lost your faith on the day. Your brother died. And partly or were I mean, certainly a huge piece of that was just worthy platitudes that came out, you. He's with Jesus now or somehow everything has a purpose. I do wonder if there was a religious or spiritual background. However you might define that. Now it seems like that. So much of that was swallowed whole for you by that event. But is there anything there that, perhaps, at this remove you think of when I asked about the spiritual background of his? I wish I could locate something in relation to the religious background that I had that provided consolation I will come up with something at a certain point. But as you say, what I experienced on that day was a what I would call premature consolation, which is the moment where somebody tells you this is fine. Your brother is in heaven. But I did actually have some consolation from the religious background. I had which is to say that stories are sustaining structures. Suddenly, all the meaning was taken out of my life by this, inexplicable experience, which was also something I was at the center of. But there was a story Cain kills Abel. There you go. So there's the constellation of story I knew who I was even as I entered a world where I understood nothing seemed powerless, but is a Denison. The Danish writer has a wonderful saying that I think is true. She said any sorrow can be born. If it can be made into a story or a story can be told about it. I'll go to the constellation I go to the despair. The consolation was okay Kane lives. He begs Scott to kill him. God says, no. That would be too easy, wouldn't do the lesson. You're going to live. You're going to live in shame isolation at the fringes of all human worlds, and I thought, well, that's it. That's what I'll do because I didn't wanna die. Not at that point, I wanted to live, but you can't live in a world without meaning to be Cain is obviously also grandiose, but children grandiose, aren't they? They do think they're at the center of some story, even if it's a bad one. And I mean you said somewhere that you. Live for four years after your brother's death, without any hope at all. And then you met MRs Irving who helped to work with words in a whole new way. I mean those premature constellation was actually a careless careless use of words of room. I think everybody in my immediate environment. That day was looking at deeply into the world of terror and horror. And I think anybody who could reach quickly possible for some. Reassurance. Some understanding some ordering you can't live without meaning. I think there were two pats I found to meeting, one was writing through the guidance of this teacher. The first other path for me was social activism. So when I was eighteen I went to Mississippi to work as volunteer and just ended up getting arrested and beaten and kidnapped by. A murderous individual. And I that adjective is an accurate, not hyperbolic term, a law enforcement official years, Paynesville, Alabama. Month after I was there is same person who kidnapped me off the highway murdered a theology student Jonathan Daniels. Yeah. So I ended then I decided poetry was safer apt to me. I'm sorry. Really? Go from an individual trauma to the world of social trauma trauma. Educational. I kept thinking, also. Reading you about this phrase of the rabbis that words make worlds feel like that's that's one way to talk about how you've leaned into words as an poetry as survival and salvation absolutely absolutely. We're talking here is lyric poetry. Right. We're talking the voice of the individual self and even to name take lyric poetry. So let's talk about that, because that's because. Talk so beautiful, so beautiful over true worlds because his true, one of the first thing I discovered what, what made me a poet. The moment had happened the moment, I wrote my first terrible poem was the discovery that language in poetry is magical language. It creates a world. It's summons a world into being, and that's astounding. It's not descriptive. I mean pros becomes persuasive, and interesting to us, Ren. It's vividly describing in outer world and more power to it. But the existential necessity of poetry, lyric, poetry and song emerges from its the magical power of language to, to create worlds that dramatize both our experience of disorder and our need for order vividly present though. Oh. I'm Krista Tippett. And this is on being today with the lyric poet, Gregory or. You like to quote. Helen Keller who because of the, you know, being born blind and deaf. She discovered language in a different way than most. It was a moment and you, you quote her and saying. We walked down the path to the well house attracted by the fragrance of the honeysuckle with which it was covered. Someone was drawing water and my teacher placed my hand under the spout. As the cool stream gushed, over my hand. She spelled into other the word water. First, slowly then rapidly I stood still my whole attention fixed upon the motion of her fingers. Suddenly, I felt a misty consciousness as something forgotten a thrill of returning thought and somehow the mystery of language was revealed to me, I knew then that W A R ment the wonderful cool something that was flowing over my hand that living word awakened my soul. Gave it light. Hope joy, set it free. Hurt is, and it's so beautifully. Primal here in one palm to water flowing over here. She spelling out the word water. Helen Kelly was seven, and she understood these signed thing in the sense that she understood her teacher was doing it, but she didn't have any idea what it meant or what is purpose was. And suddenly they came together. And she said it was like language was a form of seeing for something as essential and existentialist that seems to me to reveal. What language in can do? And I think because language is something most of us all around us from the beginning. It's ordinary we she because it was hidden to her, and some ways she experienced that magic in a way that we don't know you experience, it also because of coming out of. She's a beautifully example of it, but we see with children, too. Oh, yeah. I love when trial is starting to get the mystery of, of language. And, and there it is that forefoot walks into the room and the dog a doggy. Doggy. And you look at their face hurt is pure joy. It happens to be a cat. Matter. What's happening is that word creature coming together and the child to live with it? You know there's a poem concerning the body, the book that is the body of the beloved. We're actually you are paraphrasing the rabbis. Let's remake the world. With words removes one. That's you. Of course, one of my rabbis would be Wordsworth the poet. Yes, lutts remake the world with words, not frivolously nor to hide from what we fear. But with a purpose. Lots as Wordsworth said, remove the dust of costume, so things shine again. Each object arrayed in its robe of original light. And then we'll see the world as if for the first time as once we get used at the beloved who was gazing at us. And of course, we're talking about poetry, but really, we're talking about life. Talking about how poetry. What poetry works in us what it gives voice to. I know so in September two thousand two which I guess, is when you publish this book, is it poetry, as survival, you wrote a piece, actually reflecting on the it was a year, the first year anniversary after the September eleventh terrorist attacks. And, and you talked about lyric poetry, and I think that, that distinction is important that those that that using that making that distinction. And again and it's very much about speaking to the human condition. So, so talk about the personal leering as poetic form that helps us to live. And that especially in crisis in what can what you're distinguishing there. And talking about that really has to do with all of us and not just the poet. It seems to me how, how could begin any number of different places, but probably should begin in a sense auto by graphically. We'll anchor from that and go out word. My experience of trauma. Was as a twelve year old was. There's the board with the game pieces on it and. In one gesture all the pieces are scattered off the board. But it's such a powerful gesture that. The board itself has raced, there's no longer shoots and ladders. Clue monopoly would ever game you want checkers chess the pieces are gone, but the board itself is raised as well. It's just a blank. This is the abyss. This is the world of. No, meaning and of course with trauma. You also get this threat to the integrity, not just not just the meaning of the world around you. But the integrity of the self is also threatened even destroyed what we know about trauma, says shatters. But let's step back from that into just ordinary beautiful world of lyric, poetry and what they're for. Their poetry being song. It's in every culture, every time you said it's also Gershwin Dylan and hip hop. Absolutely. I mean ancient and it's all these new forms. Yeah. You know there's this silly dumb debate that used to go on when I was. Young a million years ago about is, is rock and roll really poetry. Well, the Nobel prize committee saw that for us. Okay. Yeah. Okay Bob Dylan. There you go. Let's stop talking about that and talk about something that matters. But what seems to me, the reason that what's beautiful about their poetry, is that what it does is, we ordinary just people just in our daily lives. We experienced enormous amounts of disorder and confusion. It's inside us. It's it's in our past. It's in the unknowable future. So disorder is part of our life. We all know that we also know that we need to order that some kind of patterns, reassure us, the sun rising stars, and the moon, the seasons are personal habits which I love the habit that reassures us about the world. What happens with? And we just navigate our lives with this kind of interplay of disorder in order, but a person in crisis and individual in crisis is someone who's been bowled over by some kind of crisis. And what poetry says to us is. You know what? Turn your confusion, turn your world into words. Take it outside yourself into language. And I'm going poetry says, I'm gonna meet you halfway. You just bring me your chaos. I'll bring you all sorts of ordering principles. I'll bring you story if you want sonnets, they'll bring us on. That's what we're gonna do is. We're going to let your crisis shine through this ordering principle. Here's something you say about this. I was gonna say this that so somewhere, you said, right? So there is this order and disorder. They're always straddling somewhere. You said what the words can do is it doesn't change the disorder at holds disorder, which is the opposite move of, of. Yes. Well, meaning people who want to say to anyone in a moment of crisis, somehow, it's ok somehow, it's ok somehow, their sense to this, instead of saying, hold this the there in the way that, that probably young people who are traumatized they. I don't want words they want to be held, and that at holy the, the word the poem holds it. And, and yet is taking it outside of you and it's made it a thing in the world. It's given you re stabilized yourself by writing stave re stabilizing the self somewhere you talk about how. You know that we have very sophisticated in well-worn ways to not do this to not hold it. And one is. Can be a simplistic religious way, somehow this God's plan. And then the philosophers will often ask us to rise above it, my, their rational, western tradition, somehow you should also be able to rise above it. You know, on September eleven our president told people to go shopping. That's another thing we do. I'm adding that to your list. Right. I mean, there's the right. There are ways we have record. Oh. Right. So then one thing you point out about what is missing in those ways we deny and try to get around grief and crisis and loss is the personal lyric clings to embodied being like insists that we stay in our bodies. And one of the things you also said about that terrible day when your brother died when you accidentally shot him on that hunting trip, which was supposed to be a rite of passage was that, you know, you, you understood that. And this is what hap- families fall apart after experiences like this, that there's this need. We have to blame. And somehow not take in that this is an extreme version of the fact that being embodied being a human being living in a body is has jeopardy involved. To be a human is to be continually at risk. I mean risk is our existentialist condition. None of us knows what's going to happen next. One thing I'd say also about the constellations philosophy and religion is that they all ask us to put our person hood off to the side. As you say, embodied being, we are embodied beings individually, what I love about poetry lyric poetry that says, you, it's not God's plan. It's not have a detached, philosophical attitude. It's you, as an individual being can make a poem or redeployed on that will honor your individual identity your existence. What's beautiful about a poem is that you take on this chaos? And this responsibility, new shape it into order, make something of it. Emerson says what we need to be as active souls, and certainly when you make a poem, you have become an active soul, when you're a victim, you're a passive experience, or of whatever it is that's happened, but to turn your world into words and then shape that is to become an active soul. And it's just as true 'bout reading as it is about writing gin. Emerson says there's creative reading as well as creative writing, you know. So I think what we do is we read, we look when we're reading poems when we're listening to songs we're looking for the things that will sustain us. We're not just, you know, we're trying to creatively in creative reading we're trying to find what it is. That's true, and deep and sustaining our spirits, and the dignity of our own world again. Emerson he says to himself somewhere make your own bibles gathered together all the poems and fragments and stuff that have shaken your spirit and and sustained it create your own bible. That's a job that we have seems to me. Is there a pawn, your thinking of as we're speaking that speaks to this? Gosh. He goes blank. Have you got what? Over there. I, I have. I will say this. I'll say this about that is. There's this book, I wrote called considering the book that is the body of the beloved. Yeah. It's a sequence of poems that just goes on forever. I think they're about six hundred of them now, but the word book for me. Well, I should say that this phrase appeared in my head one morning. The book that is the resurrection of the body, the beloved which is the world. And I immediately knew what the phrase meant, and the book I capitalize it in, in the poems about the book, it is not a bible. It's not a spiritual document any ordinary sensitive human. Secular document. It's, it's the anthropology. It's, it's Emerson's make your own bibles. It's it's your own on what they call it play list. Yeah. Let the record show. He's in the twenty first century, it's your playlists, and what's the stains, you but. It's not a resurrection of the of the beloved in any other world beyond its. It's living our lives sometimes as leap walkers, if not alive. It's nothing Christian but I don't mind saying here, here's actually one I wrote down short from from concerning the book, which speaks to what you're saying saying, the word is seizing the world, not by the SCRUFF not roughly, but still fervent still the fierce hug of love. Martin farewell said of this book of yours, if Basho roomy and real could some out have a child together, imagined they would write poems. Something like these. What is Martin Buber say he says, you know, how Lewitt the every day this is what language can do when it recovers from. From the abyss of meaninglessness. It can affirm the world can bless the world. There's, there's the poem by Robert Hayden at ends. What did I know? What did I know of loves austere and lonely offices you, you quote that in poetry survival as? Having all the elements of that lyric, lyric voice. Do you want to read that one? Sapone by Robert Hayden. Those sundays. Sundays to my father got up early and put his clothes on in the blue black cold then with cracked hands that ached from labor in the week day weather made banked fires place. No one ever thanked him. I wake and here the cold. Splintering raking. When the worms or warm, he'd call and slowly, I would rise and dress fearing the chronic angers of that house. Speaking in differently to him, who had driven out the cold, and polished, my goods shoes as well. What did I know? What did I know of loves all steer and lonely offices? You know, the combination of celebration heartbreak is just, it's just. So to me, and the incantatory constellation of language. If you say what did I know love saw steer and only offices means something? But if you say what did, I know what did I know of love, so steer in lonely offices, that incantatory repetition, that goes into our hearts and the changes our voices, you cannot say the same phrase the same way in human speech change. It you seek some other nuance in the same phrase. After a short break more with Gregory or, and you can find this show, again, in three of the libraries at on being dot org, poets and poetry words, make worlds and the body healing trauma. We've created libraries from our fifteen year archive for browsing or deep diving by theme for teaching and reflection and conversation, find all of this and an abundance of more at on being dot org. Support for on being with Krista Tippett comes from the feds are institute, helping build the spiritual foundation for a loving world fetzer, envisions a world that embraces love as a guiding principle, and animating force for our lives. A powerful love that helps us live in sacred relationship with ourselves others and the natural world. Learn more by visiting fetzer dot org. I'm Krista Tippett. And this is on being today with Gregory or at the two thousand eighteen Geraldine r dodge poetry festival, much of his life, as a poet has flowed out of and addressed the matter of human trauma, when he was on the brink of Adelaide scence. He accidentally shot and killed his younger brother on a hunting trip. He writes in the lyric tradition of poetry. So wanna ask you. So the, the personal lyric is the use of the word I right? I mean, that's, that's a fundamental to it. I find myself curious at how I don't want to say. This moment, we're in of me too, and other ways people are raising their voices and their stories with the freedom that I think so many of us are shocked to understand wasn't there before. And that's part of the problem. That the realization that wasn't there and yet it's very messy and. We have to create trustworthy, more generative spaces beyond just getting the story out there. Sometimes we have to get the story out there, but that doesn't take us all the way. Right. So I'm just wondering how you what you see might be generative and helpful knowing what, you know, about words and stories and what they can do their deepest for a moment like this. Sure. So you're asking me to go beyond the present moment into the moment of hope and faith. Okay, I'll do my best. But I would like to kind of pause in the awkward unease. We're feeling now and say that the story, it's. What's so clear racism with sexual assault in our culture, is that we have culture wide experience of forms of trauma, that our culture wide, and that people have experienced experienced constantly. With something like let's say we'll just use to me. This has been a part of this, though. Ravages of living in bodies, right? The jeopardy you have living. I mean nothing. Nothing more informs you about the jeopardy of living in a body, then the experience of trauma, whatever form that takes. Trauma is an assault on the dignity of your own being. But it's also an assault on your body, and they're deeply intertwined what I would say about the moment of me right now is that the stories the it's not the stories coming out. It's individual people saying I had this experience that personal pronoun reclaiming. Just the dignity and courage of story against huge silencing this silence from the culture, but also the silencing within right where the where, where we create the, the pathological story, which we many of us used to order our lives, it was my fault. You see how that's an ordering principle. I was in control, I caused myself to be assaulted, and even that I think. Mad about a minute ago that shame is one of these things that disembodied you. Yeah, absolutely is a survival technique, but it's run amok. I mean, we know from many accounts that, that we can leave our bodies that the person that the child being assaulted on the bed can hover above the bed, and looked down. Right. We know this, we've know it from testimony. It's that shock at the center of our embodied being that frees a mind into a kind of horror ecstasy, you know, people get drunk and take drugs or meditate to achieve a positive ecstasy. But we also that the human mind and imagination can to an ecstasy of despair and horror coming down into the body coming down into claiming are stories where we can go pass those stories we don't know. We can slip back into the darkness as individuals as a culture, and so, I don't have hope but I do recommend courage and voting and founding. Okay. So it's a crude method voting. It's not come from the soul, but no right. So I guess here's what I'm curious about. I wonder if you could offer some wisdom on, I feel like there's we've opened. The flood gates to for the stories to be told for the eye to be raised. But I worry that still that is such a. Tender thing those stories that are being brought out into the world that have trauma at their root. Right. This is trauma. Finding voice. And that the spaces in which the stories get told, you know, this, this poetry of our lives is revealed, a lot of these spaces are not worthy of it, and they're not tender with it. I just I just wonder if you have thoughts about as we move forward. How do we you know, these are these stories now as you say these the thresholds? Right. This is not order on the other side of the chaos. This is the holding of the chaos and looking at it straight on. But do you have thoughts about how we make space create conditions? In our life together that are worthy of that lyricism of our lives. No, no. The way forward, I think is also through more dark. We've mentioned shame and silencing the self blame that comes with trauma. I think another thing that scares us is rage. Those who have been harmed. One response is shame. That's where they turn the rage in on the self. We all know that done that we do it one way we live. But you can also turn the rage outward. And that's Gary, that's terrifying. Rage among humans intimate rage, rage, when we're near people who are feeling rage, and anger. And again, this is part of our legacy. You know, I mean, I think what art does is it tries to get to the place where we're lyric tries to get to, to what we all share and I think we share mysteries but we also share passions and passion. So very, very frightening. We all experience joy, we all experience fear. We all experience anger. We all experienced sadness, and we'll experienced disgust. And social psychology, I think it was kind of experiment, other story, but I mean, but there's a commonality for us, and anger is one of those they won't go away. We don't have a solution to our bashes, what we have. And I guess this is what I would say lyric, poetry, does is we have. The effort on the part of poets to both articulate their passion and modulated into the form, that we call a poem into some kind of coherence. Whether I think they can lead us forward in ways that is to say, if we can find the poems and songs that seem to, to show path forward for us. They won't be they'll be different for each one. Right. And I think one of our kind of spiritual tasks in my notion of secular religion is that job that Emerson assigns us to make our own bibles, take responsibility for what we consider to be. Meaning full statements of being. Meaningful in the sense that we can walk in the darkness, our own darkness, stepping using these. Homes and songs and pieces of wisdom as, as solid forbidding for our journey. Where journeys going and I'm sorry, nobody told me so I don't. Couldn't couldn't share that one. Except what does it say? Christian thing. Veil of tears. Valley of tears, that we walk through or shadow, death, or the veil ensures. And you got to walk that lonesome valley. You got to walk it yourself, ain't nobody else can walk at for you. Great song. I will not sing it keys heats. Who is one of the sites in my secular religion keyed says, oh, it's not a veil of tears. There's no other world. He says it's a veil of soul making and our job as humans is to create our own souls. And I think one of the ways we do that is by finding the songs and poems that sustain us and explain in and make us brave enough to live in this world. So we make our bibles and we make our liturgies too. Absolutely. I'm Christa tepid today with the lyric poet, Gregory or. I think we should, and with some poems of yours, I have to say this these two books about the body of the beloved, they are just Puta 'full and wild and mysterious to me. Yeah. And so also, I, I wrote you have all these page numbers written down. And then I just kind of stopped because I. I wonder what you might wanna read for us. Okay. I will. I will say that. Not that I'm looking forward to this. But if something was going to be put on my gray it would be short. So you wouldn't have to be a big stone. I would be this. It would be a short poem from that to be alive. Not just the carcass the spark. That's crudely put. If we're not supposed to dance, why all this music. Due ride short poems, donate. Love. Would you read? How beautiful the beloved. Yeah. Just a little bit longer. So we can draw this out. None of these poems has titles. Right. So this is what it was bequeathed us, right? Oh, that's a different one. Oh, it is. You can get two for the price of one. I'll read them. We'll take two. Yes. Let's see how beautiful the beloved is. What you say a little bit. I know. I remember Elizabeth Alexander saying to me, it's not that the words of poem are true, but they get at under girding truce. Right. And so ever since then I know to, to ask you what this is about is a nonsense question. But there's something going on in this these volumes of you. Well, I mean it's all kinds of things. It's, it's, it's blessing and wound and trauma, and it's love and trauma, and the book in the body, and I feel like you somehow the, the beloved is somewhere always for you, your brother, and on from their other beloved and then somehow the beloved is not just a person. It's no, no, no. For me. You know, when I try to think about these, these things, when I try to think about this term. Rely on so often in the poems. Yes, my brother. My mother both both deeply lost, and also the, the wanting to bring them back because oblivion seems cruel place to be. The beloved can be I think my thinking my understanding of it. Certainly always a person people have multiple beloved it seems to me creatures just my dog is obviously one of my beloved in my cat is an off again on again. Depending on. She's feeling now. I'm feeling what she's doing places places. I think it'd be beloved that is we can enter into a relationship. That's deep in reciprocal, and sustaining where we give to the place and the place gifts to us. Anyway. I'm supposed to read some poems this to problems. This is called how beautiful a beloved and I, you know, again it's about. Well, no, I know. I do what it's about. Hell beautiful the beloved with our garbed in mortal tatters, or in her dress of everlasting. Nece. Moon broken on the water or moon, still hole in the night sky. And then the other one you mentioned, what was quoted. I quit. I'm sure you know that. Shall we? Gather at the river in that the whole sense of the other world, the other shore of the river and stuff. And this is Mr. or perversely rehearsing that. This is what was bequeathed us. This earth, the beloved laughed and leaving left to us. No other world. But this one. Willows the river and the factory with its black smoke stacks. No other shore. Only this Bank on which the living gather. No. Meaning but what we find here. No purpose. But what we make. That. And the beloved 's clear instructions. Turn me into song. Sing me awake. Thank you, Gregory or. I was so scared. Gregory or hot English of the university of Virginia from nineteen seventy five to two thousand nineteen. He also founded the university's master fine arts program in creative writing. 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The Shark Listener

Lifeslices

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The Shark Listener

"When i look at a picture of planet earth taken from space. I don't see a big blue marble or a giant multicolored ball. I see a giant pizza with blue cheese and garlic cream sauce and all the living creatures are trying to get their slice of the pie. I'm steve fisher. And this is life slices. the c. Should be enjoyed the animals in it when you see shirk underwater. You should say how lucky. I am to see this beautiful animal in his environment. That was said by noted american ichthyologist. Eugenie clark one person who took that to heart was christina. Zanardo diver speaker educator and as she calls herself a shark listener. She's my guest. I'm life slices. So we're here today with christina's and auto and i'm going to ask. I hope a simple question to start not always a simple question for everybody. Surprisingly but who is christine auto. That is a question. I haven't been able to answer myself when people say what's your title. I don't know that christina is a passionate outdoor person in love with nature obsessed diver cave explorer shark lover on all things nature in a certain way you live full time in the bahamas live on chrome bahama island. Been here seven years. Does it ever get old. Whenever we go on vacation anywhere. We tend to think gee this would be a great place to live. But then you live if you live. There is totally different than when you're visiting. It's a very good question because a lot of people you know they hear bahamas or grab hamad. Oh you live in paradise in a don relies the connotation even on a limited place. Bet what i decided. Many years back is to actually make an expedition off my life on a day to day basis instead of waiting for like the. I can't wait to go somewhere. Can wait to go here. I actually decided thanks to my job. That's a little bit easier to make my day to day life. An expedition an exploration and something of adventure. Yes of course. There are limited things to to. The island runs out of places to go bet with lifestyle. I have read. It doesn't affect me a dury's actually. I never run out of things to explore. Discover scarver and actually a study and then appreciate to my understanding or i read that you grew up in africa is that correct grabbed between the savannah of the former zeh year the democratic republic of congo. And then i live smack in the middle of the rainforest in my own before is of the republic of the congo the former combo with all the amazing wildlife in your homeland. What drew you to sharks will. My real homeland is italy. Although i'd never really spend much time they are. My family is very much family off the ocean so the always to meet you the ocean. I'm mckay debt. Grew up with her paraffins and mask. I think one of the most exciting part of my life as i was growing is every year my foot will be a little bit bigger so it was time to buy a new fins in so the passion for sharks comes from the passion for the water on a curiosity are like all the kids born in the seventies early seventies and it was just like jaws was like their but my dad was like no no no. No sharks are animals and so there was like a child like curiosity in one day. I decided that. I will hop sharks for friends sued. That's what drew me to the ocean. I would say is my family and the fact that we come from using when when you said i want that i wanna make sharks my friends. Did people look at you strangely. Say what's wrong with these. these man eaters. isn't that what we just. Sometimes the kids they share their wildest dreams. Kinda condescendingly go. Yeah yeah you'll see you'll grow up you'll see it's impossible Instead of saint. That's a great idea. I think you shoot pursue it but yes. If people didn't think that will be what i would do. I didn't think that would be our. Do you know like my dream was to be an underwater scuba rangers. I will have sharks friends. But then i actually went totally different studies which is actually was languages in our communication which i loved it as much. I will also come from a background where women are. The exposure to women. Being scientists was very very limited. Was night really not an example. That your hat there. Ensue was just kind of like no something in my raider. I never thought that. I could be that woman on the bio of the bone. That woman doing the things that i heard of people doing because i will told that women don't do that well especially swimming with sharks. Not many people do that. That's true but again. I came in this thing with with my dad. I remember we'd be talking about you. Animal any always said you're no monsters in the own win. The ones you make up in your head ensued. He always taught me about behaviors incidental. They don't do this don't do that. They don't like this and like that because he was a former diver military diver very much comfortable with the water for was not that far fetched but yes. There's not nowadays. There's more go scuba diving and swimming with sharks but back then. When i started in ninety four we still not consider you know just main screen. How old were you when you started diving as twenty two years old. So is a huge gap between the dream. And when i was able to make troop of the had to gain enough financial stability in independence for me to do the course because as much as my dad brought me to the ocean his notion of scuba diving specifically was of an extremely dangerous sport because he did in the fifties with your oxygen repeaters under military training and when he did dive in italy was below hundred and forty feet and so there is all gonna tissues like now scuba diving. It's not a sport for women here. we go again. And when i finally had enough of financial stability and the capability of sign my own waivers. I actually took a first before i was twenty two After i finished my course i was here. In the bahamas. I in a week time. I flipped my life and basically went back home and quit. My job left my boyfriend duffel bag and came back here. Talking about financial stability people are going to ask. Do the sharks. Pay you for your friendship. How how do you earn a living diving with sharks. I am by trade a professional scuba diver now after twenty seven year. I have all these fancy title. Seven instructor trainer who's director technical instructor debris their instructor take people on the shark. And i actually do this very special. Course where people can come down next to me. Side-by-side wearing the same suit. I wear and work with sharks the same way i do. It's like the shark handling horse so by my leaving his done through basically a scuba diving tourism and a such dense supporting a shark tourism in the bahamas bahamians involved into sharp to resume and as a consequence of shark conservation. What made you believe in the beginning that you could actually forge a relationship with a shark. A gentleman called ben rose. He was the first person to start this. He was my mentor. Was i want one of the first funds to basically that could be a connection with these animals and so under his tutelage he was just like. Oh you're so good with sharks of but he made me believe that he made receive that uncle ben as we used to call him. He's no longer with us when you did that. I dive to forge relationship with a shark. What did you have to do to prepare for that. So i saw sharks on my first dive ever during open. Water checkout dives. We had sharks because these were the sharks were when a surface You have sharks year in the instructors and the local people were connect. Of course we have sharks being we have shirts. Were in the bahamas instead. It was kind of funny to see how nonchalant people were about the fact that they're yes. You're go swimming with sharks. Every time we go scuba forge a relationship had to wait a little bit had to become a diving professional took about a year and then i had to learn all the job that went with being a diving profession the basics in the privilege wells to actually be trained by ben to actually start working with the sharks sued. It took some work on some dedication. And obviously i didn't jump in for the first. I'd been diagnosed with sharks quite a long time. And you start off Still now i do that with my crew. Is you start off by going on the shark. Dive may be being a safety diver. Or you're going to shark dive and you take the video and after you've done several months of this then i'll train you to become a direct person that interacts with the sharks. And what does that entail. How do you develop that trust with the animal. I usually tell my students have to trust a three. Things have to learn to trust the sharks in need to wipe the slate clean about the thought that as soon as you move as soon as you jumpin as soon as you do something to shark will be there to bite. They're not absolutely not can't tell completely the defense trust to sharks trust the suit. You're wearing protective suit. That's your seatbelt. When you're driving the car your helmet when you're right in the bicycle or whatever you wanna call it and the third part. I tell them as you have to trust christina. I'm part of your process on your shortcut. I'll give you the information that you need to understand. Some of things with it is time. And patience. Like amy relationship right. It's a relationship. So i tried to do an example if you go on speed dating and you spend what is i. Don't know what is the one minute with somebody and then the bell rings or something. I cannot even imagine doing something that but you can't come out that and say well i i met steve and we are in a relationship. Suits the same thing we sharks. You can do one dive and safe while i really understand. No sharks out so it's time it's patients and one of the things that i tried to tell people that a lot of people call me the sharp whisperer and i tell. I'm not a shark whispers title that her really doe like i don't go down there and perform magic. I don't whisper the shirks anything. I don't tell them to do any. I call myself a shark listener. You need to go down there. And understand that rate i did languages and communication and for me it was just so obvious with the sharks do communicate. It's just the language we don no. We don't understand. Sometimes we refuse to put a little bit of time and effort really appreciate but you communicate with their body movements with their speed or with their intensity in. So what i do. I listened to them and then adopt mike behavior to them. Can you recognize the difference between the sharks to you. Wouldn't you see a short. You know if you've met them recognize each have gone off the sharks my group. I have named them. We have like recognized in also pictures features. We don tag them. We just have like physical. I can actually recognize some of my old girls from the way they swim. I don't even have to see the physical correct heuristic just from the way this swim into the into the water from a distance i can say oh. Grandma coming or stump is coming different. Recognize him from physical. We recognize him from behavior. We recognize him from advert chewed the have different personalities and the oldest skirts of this group is always knew sharks and obviously we recognize them because they are not the ones that we see every time and have name. What was it like. If you can recall what would describe that feeling. The first time you've got a shark do come up close to you and let you pet it back then and now. Each time needs One of the most precious moments is one of those are privileges that we having lives like. You said you know the ever get hold in his old. And i'm like no. I people ask me said they never get old to go down there with the same sharks and on my answer is does ever get old to open the door and see your copy of the door. Wagon's tail right and so it's the same thing. Does he ever get hold to spend time with someone you love and you appreciate and you wanna learn more about. Daddy's defeated defeated is privilege. The feeling is a amazement in absolute appreciation food. What is happening. I used to joke with dear friend of mine and say i hope one day in a week going to be you know with a walker sitting somewhere in a bank going. Remember when we used to feed sharks and hopefully people not go sharks. What is that in. Hopefully in the future we still going to have sharks now doing too. Well thanks to humans but it was our joke. Is that your by some people. Look at this old old ladies like work with sharks. No way think about it. You know how amazing it is as you referenced earlier jaws and that's what most people think of when they think of charlotte sterry fortunate 'cause if actually they just googled. I mean you don't even have to have a very fencing book. Google how many species of sharks there are in the world. There's over five hundred species of sharks. The smallest shark in the world is a size of a ten. If it's an palm of your hand and so when you say shark and everybody say oh sharks. Do this and sharks do that. Not new sank sharks singing birds. So what if i said at all birds are black. Birds can fly an old bird's nest on a tree you absolutely. You don't need to be on thala gist to know that what set aside. Correct the birds of doll fi bird. Saddam nests industry is the same short. Don't get me started on birds. After seeing alfred hitchcock's film i'm not to throw them either so very good. Very good point. But here's the thing right so Movie with the birds everybody goes. Oh yeah that's fiction. I will never happen. But they see giles and they go up. That must be reality. I'm like no no steven spielberg right. Nor peter benxi. -secutive lynch was wonder wrote the book. The never said. Hey this is your new biology book of charts to say. This is a novel. A copy of giles says eight. Noble by peter benchley in the movie. The jaaz is a movie. Like you said domus gonna use that. Can i steal about the ostriches. A fiction cope with the birds. Nobody's afraid of birds for seen them in the movie that refer whatever reason to do that thing with the sharks in both the number movies i and i i haven't been in the ocean since seeing job. So how long does it take to get a shark comfortable with you. How many times you have to down there and swim and and approach them before they get comfortable enough with you. Very good question and shark dependent right. It's the same way amniotic creature. There's a creature that is a little bit were made. Let's more bowl or boulder on nusa creature the shire and so it's a sandwich. Sharks some learn really fast. The some learn a little bit slow arid say on. If it's a fast learning for the adult female might take may be six to ten hours. So you're looking about maybe ten ten dies attend to fifteen dives total dependent on hollow to like get them into that circle and say okay. This is good in then. I would say an additional double that just to make that war connection. It is a some time but again it depends on sharks. I actually have two girls on the shark. Doubt recall her. Their names are the first one i named was volkan and i named her after the air. The air jet. It's a fighter plane from the uk. Royal royal force and. She had this very very stretchy fin tip on a tour for sokol volkan after the plane. But everybody thought a calder volkan after not live long and prosper so yeah mr stocks are called the out a girl trek so have volkan and trek right and the teaming together same size in opposite they went through the same behavior regarded offshore. Another been here about five years. Vulcan is still very shy so she'll come in but like use very little the likes of physical contact the show coming a little bit for some fish but that's where track is a super comfortable. Always she even follows you on dives on regular dives and she's absolutely not afraid of anything yet. The came in here. The same time were the same size in the really develop food different behaviors regardless of the fact that you know we always the same person doing the same thing so they actually recognize you. I mean you can be down there with other divers and they know which one you are. I mean there is a component which will still attract him to others if theaters are carrying the fish producers. Either part tons. Of sometimes. I move away in the sharks will follow me and like its people chuckle. 'cause they'll leave whoever trying to work with them and old. Just follow me there. Follow me on the. They have seven senses right. And some of the things we forget on the woody for example have very keen sense of smell. So what tells what does that. Tell us that maybe they can actually recognize my sent from somebody else's send my pop skin. Why not a shark. Have you befriended a shark through a shark pregnancy. You have you hit. Traduced you to their children. No sharks have no parental care so when they give birth first of all they don't give birth in the era where i've died with them the go away. They're actually very protected hidden jones. And then the pops don't come into the ocean until there bowed two and a half to three feet long so there's a lot of gap a few years for them to grow to the size before the come into the open. Ocean dot is always to avoid the predatory behaviors from outer shar to predatory behavior from other from other fish in when a pop is born. And he's like wealth ten to twelve inches long they could easily be food for a bigger grouper. Or i mean we've seen even a birds huntin sharks and basically pulled him out of the water so this day into the mangroves and then they come into your financial when they're big enough to fend off themselves but the mother do not have parental care so baby sharks are born amedure of adult shirks. They're not like cute like puppies or babies. They don't have the soft features perfect miniature of an adult and they fend off from the cell from the moment they come at. There are a lot of people who are stuck at home with kids during the pandemic who would probably wish their kids like that. If i could actually have kids like a shark. I would actually have kids but yeah no what types of sharks have used a species of sharks have you befriended their a particular kind. That is more approachable than others. Yes dear. I primarily work with career. Byan ray sharks and enders a little group resident a nurse sharks that interacting with the creamery. Sharks this sharks. That i've done primarily old the interaction the sitting in my lap cat in. I've done a little bit of that with blue sharks however a most firm believer that one size does not fit. All stu you also chew may be a shark's behavior. Said say bory behaviors even size. I always try to help you. Just you can go out there and behaved with creed recharge the same way you behave with tiger shark with the same way would behave with a bull shark or even a guitar sharp. Each one needs for us to adopt a supremacy early. I do this kind. Of interactions. With caribbean however i have worked with about twelve different species of sharks and when i say worked a means still interaction banal de welcoming into my lap. Not the close body contact. I display craving just guessing that you would not try your approach with a great way absolutely not. i think it wouldn't work first of all. Just because of the type of sharks they are. They can't sit still raid. They have they have nobuko pumping the only have ram ventilation their size primarily of the way to live so they don't tend to sit on the ocean floor so no i haven't done the kind of instruction and i would not wanna do that kind of interaction again. One size does not fit all. I think he's been a little bit a train. In the last few years people will compensate while you just doing it with caribbean reef. Sharks those adult silence at first of all. Sharks are not dough siler aggressive. Sharks are sharks and they do what sharks are supposed to second of all. I think once you start bringing up those kind of say quote unquote challenges. It moves the attention from the sharks to the person. So why are you doing this. You're doing this to prove something of your size of the animals. Like a dare devil in. I don't wanna do any of that for me as a true relationship. So what if. I have relationship with the caribbean reef chartres. What does it take away. That is not a great white Dot is the point that i'm trying to make with people is the dispassionate. The the of what is happening. It does no matt own species of size. And i would encourage people not to go out there and just try to do it. On size. justice ceo of down with a bigger shopper presented. Really takes away from the shark. And what the message trying to send out there. What is that message. What do you want people to take away from your work with sharks. How do you want them to behave around sharks. That's an. that's another question if somebody is in the water and they see a shark approaching. What's the best way to behave to avoid being attacked by going back to their over five hundred species of sharks or you're in the water and there is a shark And let's say the average person cannot recognize was species they are bidding journalists. Recommend people as if you go somewhere. There's a three things you take pay attention to. Where are you. What kind of sharks live in the area you can ask. Local people will tell you. Hear the frontispiece of in the bahamas at what are you doing. So there's a huge difference. Are you on the surface. Are your surfboard. Are you pod aboard a spear fishing for a your scuba diving. Are you collecting food. Amaya tracked some of the sharks suit. You'll have to have put all those parameters soo dues not one question one. Answer full of that Let's say for the sake of it. You're in the water and you know what is a shadow or a shark approaching. What you don't want to do is lose. And if you see the animal chances are the animals just cruising through and the animal already knows you're there so keep an eye on the animal. Stay calm down panic. The last thing you want to do is start. Splashing moving away running and a certain way maybe attract their attention. We're maybe there was no attach the other one. I it'll be right if you see a shark approaching your hobby grab a camera take a picture it yes in january's understanding where you are what you're doing in west sharks earned the water opposite. The behaviors are different so of his. If you talk to certified divers Chances are they'll see a shark. Go look at it until the pictures or follow it for a little bit. If you're spearfishing i'll tell you. The spear fishermen are very familiar with sharks and a very understand that is no discussion to whom the fish belongs to wants is on the steer New there's nothing to discuss. Read fish belongs to shark. Give the fish to sharks is going to swim away. If you're on the surface and so you can only see a shadow then. Yes calmly makes you uncomfortable. You can't recognize what it is then calmly move out of out of the area. Watch the animal rights shuttle crews in buys just cruise them by it makes you comfortable just slowly swim back to shore remember ads of the option to stay dry. They don't. I don't want encourage people to stay dry beans. Sometimes there may be that one time where you just come out of the would if that makes you feel uncomfortable so i once heard as a kid. My dad had a friend who was a marine and ex marine and he talked about being approached by a shark did a lot of Scuba diving he punched in the nose and the sharks swam away. So i taught i was taught was of a shark comes up punch in the nose which never seen like a good idea to me. Well actually in a innocent way. It is a good idea because a and again we're talking on which kind of sharks but say sharks discount directly. You might be the of the predatory kind that may be animals our size. Obviously a nurse shark feeds. Call coming towards you please. Punched in the nose for thing is just is just cruising on his mayor away but if he lets you feel threatened and it calms should you can punch knows. The shark will be startled by the behavior was like oh something touch me. I can't believe something touch me. And chances are yes. He will swim away. But what i found funny about that is how close you have to shark to be in order for you to punch it in knows enough arm length away by the time his arm length away the cap of the person to maintain it's cool and calm instead of flapping backwards in doing things backwards i think is one of those may be old old wives tales meth cisco punched in. The nose. can like you know how close it has to be conscious knows your arm. I don't want to get that close. However if a nice friendly shark comes up i'll be happy to pet it again. I don't want to encourage people to go up pat animals because these are wild animal. So don't go around trying to reach pet. Any of the sharks swim by just healthy observation. I actually like to invite you to come here so you can have a sharp arm length away enough feel that they're actually count for you because that's what they charge sued the come arm length away and they have no interest whatsoever in nineteen dot is what i want. People to come from is realized or sharks are sharing their ocean with us. They're very tolerant of our presence. We can actually do things in the ocean. Though we can never do in the canadian forest we can never do in the savannah. We could never do. When i grew up in the komo. We have strict rules. Are kid we go in the ocean. Rolling around with these animals are absolutely magnificent. Can turn on the dime as foss compared to them. We're basically grain of sand and yet there s you're coming in. I tolerate your presence. Because we need to look into. You know like i i understand a shark attack is possible. I understand. sharks have bitten people. Let's look at numbers in the united states alone. There's about seventy five million people a year to go in the water in the last forty years. The united states have recorded an average of twenty six attacks. People wanna do some ass the the. I'm not good at math but that sounds pretty good odds to me. It's insane and yet we still have this things about. Oh if you go in the water because you keep saying on to be in order. Please come because those are the odds. You know what are odds of dining car accidents. One by three hundred and sixty four eaten by sharpening united states a one in eleven point five million and yet we drive the car. Everyday we drive by car accidents every day. We kinda slow down a little bit safer a little bit. Those creepy people have to see it or some people as they are annoyed by slowing down and soon as they passed that accident they saw mongol car because most likely was speeding was going to close to someone else would do for the next celery and off. They go like they had not seen it yet. For whatever reason we have this block about sharks so in my opinion has nothing to do with the sharks himself. It has to do with our arrogance so the next time i need a new car. I think i'm gonna get a shark and say so that safe and i'm guessing they probably wouldn't do well in captivity. If you have a big pool in your pool is yes. I have a huge pool in my backyard. it's called the atlantic ocean us. Some sharks are actually good to four habitats. I actually have an appreciation for some aquariums again. One size does not fit all on. Won't think all the animals should be Bed i've seen firsthand in some countries for example like china in singapore where was invited to talk about shark. Conservation in aquarium can educate people. So let's say you put a little horn shark which is sedentary shark. The leaves in like little caves and people have the opportunity to observe these little sharks swimming in the habitat and distended. There's different species are sharks and heating. And kinda can you view out that one of my one of my heroes. A doctor eugenie clark. She passed away about four years ago. I asked her. I said a genius said what was she was a shark scientists. She was the one that studies sharks in most sharply bieber. Shirt made and i asked us a genius. At what. got you into sharks so this lady died for years ago. She was ninety four. So we're talking about about hundred years ago right and she said that when i was a kid. My dad took me to the aquarium. And they were the ascent tigers old teeth and a float there. The door really move and i was so fascinated by these atoms. She said. I put my hands around my face. And i put the nose on the glass. She said and i imagine. I was down there. Underwater with that so aquariums have a power to inspire and educate. I think when people have have the capability of seeing some of these sharks really understand most of their differences. Maybe appreciate a little bit more scwhab actually appreciation for some sharks as we want to call it in captivity but again one size does not fit. All i think some of these animals should not be inhabits. Should be out in the ocean. so what's one final. Thought that you have that you want to leave. People with sharks are vulnerable in their vulnerable the become vulnerable from our presence into this world especially since the gesture revolution in as we consider ourselves the rules evolved and may be intelligent creature on this planet. It is our duty but is also our benefit to start understanding sharks and taking care of them will christina. Thank you so much. I really appreciate your time. This has been fascinating on. I will call you when i'm coming down. Absolute if you enjoyed this program. Please subscribe and like us on social media and wherever you get your favorite podcasts. Light slices is produced by beatnik raven productions. All rights reserved music. Courtesy of fez leeann studios.

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Weekly Update --- Why I Don't Trust Trump On Iran

Ron Paul Liberty Report

04:10 min | 1 year ago

Weekly Update --- Why I Don't Trust Trump On Iran

"Why I don't trust trump on Iran president trump and his secretary of state Mike Pompeo CEO told us the US had to assassinate Major General Qassim Salamone last week because he was planning imminent attacks on US US citizens? I don't believe them. Why not because trump and the neo cons like pompeo have been lying about Iran for the past three years in an effort to whip up enough support for US attack from the phony justification to get out of Iran's nuclear deal to blame in Yemen am in on Iran to blaming Iran on attacks of Saudi oil facilities? The US administration has us a steady stream allies for three years because they are obsessed with Iran and before trump's obsession with attacking Iran the past four. US administrations lied ceaselessly ceaselessly to bring about wars on Iraq Afghanistan Syria Libya Serbia Somalia and the list goes on at some point when we've been lied to constantly and consistently for decades a threat that we must take out with a military attack. There there comes a time where we must assume that they are lying until they provide rock-solid irrefutable proof thus far they have provided had nothing so I don't believe them. President trump has warned that his administration has already targeted fifty two sites Is Important here on in Iran in culture in the US will attack them. If Iran retaliates for the assassination of General Thala Mani because Iran has no capacity to attack the United States. Iran's retaliation if it comes will likely come against. US troops or US government and officials station or visiting the Middle East. I have a very easy solution. For President Trump. That will save the lives of American. The servicemembers could be saved and other. US officials as well just come home. There is absolutely no reason for US troops to be stationed throughout the Middle East to face. Increased risk of death for nothing in Ron Paul. Liberty Report Program last week. We observed that the US attack on a senior Iranian military officer on Iraqi soil over the objection of the Iraqi government would serve to finally unite. Iraqi factions is against the United States and so it has on Sunday. The Iraqi parliament voted to expel. US troops from Iraqi soil. It may have been a non binding resolution but there is no mistaking the sentiment. US troops are not wanted and they are increasingly endanger. So why why not listen to the Iraqi parliament bring our troops home close the US embassy in Baghdad a symbol of our aggression and let the people of the Mili- solve their own problems maintain a strong defense to protect the United States. But end this neo-con pipe dream of ruling the world from the barrel of gun. It does not work it may exist poorer and more vulnerable to attack. It makes the elites of Washington rich while leaving leaving working and middle class Americans with the bill it engenders hatred and a desire for revenge among those who have fallen victim to US interventionist interventionist foreign policy and it results and millions of innocent beings killed overseas. There is no benefit vetu United States to try to run the world. Such a foreign policy brings only bankruptcy moral and financial tell the Congress and the administration ministration that for America say we demand the return of U._S.. Troops from the Middle East. Thanks for listening.

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109: Classified

Civilized

16:08 min | 1 year ago

109: Classified

"Haberman is this on. Oh not used to having one of these communicator things. It's Bob sorry for myself just here to let you know. There's some special news and a cool new experience. That's coming and you can find out about that if you join our newsletter. You can do that by going to I think something from. The nineties caught a website. The two thousands Civilized POD DOT COM. You'll see a newsletter sign up on the page a sign up and and we let you all about it and I'm told there's all kinds of really cool five dollar Patriot on bonus episodes and you can get one of those. I think I'm in. It called surprise if you join. The newsletter is pod DOT COM. That's it I gotta go save the world. Then you wouldn't know what a dollar is. Humanity's last hope to find and settle of you world a small tariff forming fleet. That's out to prepare lifeless planet for the colony ships. Sure to follow in their wake civilized. Is it good gone? Hits take a moment we regroup was that thing. Bob Sort of not bobbins bob adjacent. It had been Bob. Oh my God. What if something like that happens? We're okay Bob Bob. He said he ate something. We're we're we're not going to be. There is now a bomb like creature roaming the forest looking for us. Well I I mean we don't. We don't know that it it it. It ran off into the brush. We could be fine. It could have forgotten about us. It could have found a love interest. We who knows you would know a lot about forgetting people are leaving people behind wouldn't you? What's that supposed to mean? You know exactly what it means Bob was. He was literally dying and you left him alone. How could you do that to someone to? How could you do that to Bob? He asked me to. Bob made a choice. You know we think about my job as telling you to what to do but just as much of my job is allowing the two of you to discover yourself and make your own decisions. That's what I did for Bob and I stand by that are Thala Mu. There is a time and a place for giving us some motivation to make our own choices but not when someone is clearly experiencing trauma. He's GonNa come back. Captain Captain. The lights the lights on out era captain error. Fetal era systems are down. I don't have a communicator. Arthaud me has won his quarters captain door. Okay think think ventilation ducts or just come on. I can't get in your room. I think Pretty Party Arnie's quarters how this is going to direction. You know. I I have had enough. I don't WanNa be near you. I don't trust you. I don't believe that you even have our best interests in mind anymore. You can find your way back to the ship. Beatrice now is not the time for us to split up. I mean that Bob Creature could still be out there We we need to work together and get back to the ship and then we can talk about you being mad at me value. How am I supposed to work with you? How am I supposed to do that? I don't trust you. You talk about us like the people that we are the moment were alive. The now's don't matter. It's always about the next iteration. Do you know how hurtful that is for all? I know you only died once you know you. Don't think about what it's like for me. You and Bob only have to think about the now. Think about your current generation. And what you're going to go and find a new spot that day or or or try a new souffle recipe that day. Because you just get to come back I see all of these iterations. I'm not going through that process. I'm the only one who stays constant from iteration of Beatrix to interational via tricks from Bob to new Bob Bob and always the same old bartholomew. They're the only one who sees the full mission and is under that pressure to keep it going so while you might be. They're telling me that my decisions are wrong. Remember that I'm doing my best to and with pressures that you don't understand. I would understand if you talked to us. I would understand if you tried. I would understand if I had working memories. Do you know what it's like to wake up and not know what happened to you the day before. Do you know what. It's like to be foggy foggy like that to not know if you're actually yourself or if you're just implanted with someone else's memories do idea what that's like. I put on this happy-go-lucky facade all the time because I know if I let the dark thoughts that I'm feeling the depth of how scared I am. Take hold of me. I would never walk out the door into that forest but I do it every time even though I know that I might be dying a horrible painful traumatic death and this might be the time I remember. So don't talk to me about having to watch people. Don't talk to me about this. Lack of empathy for the mission. Though talk to me about detachment attachment is the only thing that keeps me going him. Getting tighter scabby ways right. What's so great was there's light. What is this? I Red Light A? It's like an armory cons in these suits. What are these pod? Suits consoles are working in. Here what is this emergency? Override protocol three five seven. Alright Beatrix we can't spend this whole walk in uncomfortable silence. I felt pretty comfortable. Listen if not knowing everything that's going on is is wearing on you. We have a long walk. Let's make a question. What do you want to know? Okay there was An iteration I woke up and I found Bob in a pool of blood in front of my pot in you were standing there with form and told me a sign wouldn't let me keep the pen what what happened. I don't remember much after that but that keeps coming back to me what happened. Bob Got hurt. Bob was hurt. God's Sake Bartholomew you're not gonNA take this seriously. Bob was hurt because Bob needed to be hurt. What we couldn't work with that iterating anymore. How do I know how to do that? Doesn't matter hurry by check. Captain Emergency override. Three five seven four two seven Thapa captain. If you can hear me open these doors or I'm going to blow them open. You really want me to tell you beatrix because there are some things that I think you and Bob are better off not knowing you WANNA know why. Bob was hurt at that time. Why hurt Bob at that? Time was because he was getting too close to information that he does not want to know. Why don't we want to know this? Do you ever think about why we're here? Beatrix why we're on this mission. How we got here. I mean I think about how I'm the Scout. I'm supposed to go out and discover good. Spots for Tara forming create a map of the surrounding area. Which has been difficult considering how many times we've moved but sort of weird isn't it that a ship with a scout A marketing guy and one. Hr person that that's what was sent to tear form a whole new planet. Well I just thought that it was for the good of the mission. It's for the good of the new mission the mission that we have to have now. Now that it's us that's here I don't understand and I don't think you want to party party. Can you hear me but Bob Bob Beatrix working don't have all the time? The ship is an emergency protocols. It's over red believes it's under attack and it's about to take off. What's your on the ship now? Not for much longer. What what do you mean? Why is the shipping is under attack? I'm blown a few of the doors. Open What Book Triangle in your position. Now in case I lose you. Don't move from their captain. Bob Bob Oh my God what do we do? I guess we stay here. Stay here. We have communicator. You can find us. Can't something he. He said he was keeping track of our position. I mean what can we do? We don't have the ship he does. I don't know I'm not GonNa just sitting at this okay. Let's let's do something let's You know not something for the situation just like you know. Keep ourselves occupied. We could build a fort. You know afford their sticks and and and and brambles and and you know foliage all over we can make ourselves a little hut. Okay okay shelter. That's that's step one of survival is is you. You make shelter for yourself in find a good water source and Then a source of food you only have a few days with the water so we can build a shelter. We did okay. There's bridge leaves. Everyone leaves from the trees that are alive but let's get believes that are on the ground already will. There's good mudpit right there. Okay so you can get the money and I'm only six around the could they don't WanNa Terry the six hundred okay. Yeah we're doing. That's good doing waiting. Not Talking doing picks civilized starring. Kristy Bolton Michael Dolinsky Lenovo and Sean Howard Sound Design and music by e mcilveen cover art by Navid. Demaret join us on patriotic for bonus episodes and lots more look for the support is Lincoln at civilized pod Dot Com. We're pretty high up. 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S3 EP06: The Plateau of Productivity

ZigZag

30:52 min | 2 years ago

S3 EP06: The Plateau of Productivity

"Hi, Mnuchin Jen is Georgia here from Adelaide. I was so excited about blockchain, and how could change the world that I entered the idea in a book tank competition. But now, I'm at the conference there's all of these guys inserts, and they're just giving each other money. And now this finally a woman on stage, but she's singing something about stripping hell. Mike, goodness, Georgia. I started laughing and snorted the ice t I was drinking out of my nose. When I heard you voice memo help is on the way. I'm Newsom are ODI. And this is the last episode of season three of zigzag. If you've been with us all along, you know that each episode this season has mapped a moment on the so-called hype cycle. So the hype cycle has five phases. These phases that any big innovative idea has to go through to succeed from the first trigger of innovation to the last phase the plateau of productivity, which we're going to get into today. As an example of the height cycle writ large. We've been telling the story of one town in particular Messina in upstate New York. Messina's been a bit of a mecca for bitcoin factories factories that produce virtual money and need a lot of electronic to run. These factories have made their owners some real money, but they've brought few much needed jobs to the region. And so the question we've been asking is will bitcoin innovative blockchain technology will it help get Messina out of the economic depression that it is in or is it just hype. To be clear, some innovations never get out of the hype cycle and go on to become productive and real some get stuck in the hype cycle for a long time. But eventually do get out. It can be hard to predict and confusing like Georgia that listener who found herself in a sea of suits at a blockchain conference asking if it was a fluke that she was there or if she really was in the right place and using the right technology to make the world more equitable, Georgia said, the singer was great, by the way, just that she wished she hadn't been the only woman on stage. Anyway on this episode why and how some innovations do succeed moments when an idea or even a relationship does make the world a little bit of a better place or it doesn't and we just need to call bullshit. That's right after the break. Hey, folks. Hello. It's my news. I'm saying hi from Portland international airport, Portland, Oregon. I'm still trying to figure out this balancing of the work life thing. But I means that I can take this opportunity to recommend a podcast that you should listen to if I sound weird. It's because it's like six in the morning and overslept anyway on Ted's podcast work life. Organizational psychologist, Adam grant, he's awesome. He takes you inside the minds of some of the world's most unusual professionals to discover the science to making work way better and on season two which just started. What can the team at Pixar who made the incredible teach us about underdogs another episode? We learn about how friendly competition works from Olympic skiers elite marathoners and local food truck vendors. There are new episodes on Tuesdays you can find work life with Adam grant on apple podcasts or wherever you like to listen. Listen by from Portland airport. In what is actually happening to your time time? Yeah. It's your most important and finite resource. Why not keep track of it better? With harvest harvest lets you and your team track time to different projects and tasks, and then it turns all that information into intuitive visual reports. So for example, Jen, and I can see what David our audio engineer where he spending all his time is he mostly composing music for us, or is he actually putting together the episodes is he having to take more time than it usually has to because he's waiting for me to get back on course with a deadline. We can see it all all the gory. Details. Businesses can use all this information to learn which projects are creating value for them. And which ones are costing them a lot of money. So go to get harvest dot com slash zigzag to start your thirty day free trial. And also get fifty percent off your first month. Because for most people their time is a black box. Yours doesn't have to be. We're back zigzag in this is Kate. So I'm a single mother of two changers. I work all day. I get my kids from school. We go to various practices. We do all that. We do. Kate is listener, or at least she was zigzag listener. I hope she still is cake up. Pretty mad at me about a snarky remark. I made on the last season about Sheryl Sandberg and her book lean in I didn't think that Leinen had done much for feminism. But my opinion did not sit well with Kate. She went for a walk and left me. This message. I would like to push back a little bit. And maybe ask that you be a little kinder. I read the book, I'm Vic fan, and what the book did for me was alert me to things that were happening that I didn't realize about myself and my workplace I am way. More cognizant of how I interact with my male co workers of how I interact with. My male supervisors, I have changed my habits. So that I am giving slice to my knees and my wants professionally. Kate. You're right. Just because I've got issues with Sheryl Sandberg. Doesn't mean the lean in movement hasn't had serious value. Hearing your story helped me understand that. In fact, it helped me understand a lot more than lean in. It helped me understand the final phase of the hype cycle the plateau of productivity plateau of productivity does not sound terribly sexy. But that's kind of the point this moment is when an idea it has already gone through the ups and downs. People have kicked the tires. It's not new anymore. Now, it just looks. Absolutely. The tippety is where the real value kicks in Jackie Fenn. The tech analyst who originally developed the hype cycle. She loved Cates voice voicemail. And she agreed that the real life way. Kate was applying lean into her life never mind any backlash about Sheryl Sandberg or her. Role at Facebook or all the rest of it. This change in behavior is exactly what gets an idea out of the hype and onto the plateau of productivity striving towards the real value in people's lives. And I think that that's an interesting one to draw on that. Because it's about how to think about your role in the role of those around you. We will see the same message sometimes from men who say well now, I understand from different perspectives quiz. I've been exposed to to the mindset to the discussions so collectively together we cannot differently as people come to a stronger realization of factors that they're unaware of. From gender dynamics at the office to technology that may be used to sound dumb, cloud computing anyone after a while. Once we give these ideas language and Burley adopters test them out, then we all start to change we create new habits and the new things become normal. We'll put stuff in the cloud, right or lots of women become CEO's. We're not there yet. But anyway, this is the circuitous path to progress to productivity some might say, it's a necessary zigzag. Kate wasn't the only listener with an example, another voice memo, we got hit particularly close to home because it turns out that I had played a key role in this person's journey. Hey, John Hayman Jewish. It's meets almos-. Thomas emailed us, several months ago, and to be honest. His message worried me a bit in. I'm not I sent a message does fool sadness and exciting starting with an emotional warning describing what being an international student dislike mentioning my new fund interest in journalism and confessing that I dropped out of film school. I wrote Thomas back I told him. I didn't have the magic answer for how to figure out what he should do next. But I think just responding to him helped him feel heard and trust himself a bit more Thomas ended up going back to film school. You said. You said keep experiments journalism can come in many forms. It is this that sparked my imagination. Most journalism can be creative. And I can use what I've learned. It's not waste. Now. Did I'm gonna saving the diploma. I'm looking at perhaps studying journalism at university. Thanks for inspiring me among with many with six, and as you said, I will find the right fit for me. You find. Thomas if we helped you in any way than seriously doing this podcast is worth it. And they love the music you made to go with your voice memo. Thank you, keep going keep being curious. K my friends that is the personal side of the hype cycle as they say at the end of a yoga class. You know, the good part when you're lying there on the floor pick a deep cleansing breath. And then breathe out any thoughts. That aren't serving you and take the good calm productive feelings and thoughts out the door with you. When you leave. Okay after a quick break enough of the Wu. Let's apply. The hype cycle to politics and economics to women who could be the answer to pulling Americans out of the whole we seem to be in plus some closure for arm blockchain bitcoin investigation, including some unexpected late. Breaking news from. Right back. Zigzag is brought to you by first Republic Bank. 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I will link to it in the newsletter this week. So there's Tempe. Right. The city in Arizona were Uber's been testing. It's self driving cars and had a fatal incident. There's Kyle Texas and orange Texas where new automated license plate reading tech can immediately. Tell a police officer if you haven't paid that parking ticket cruise the headlines, and there are many more examples and most of them are being hotly debated by the locals the latest. I found is in spots. Vania Virginia where a private developer has a plan to build the fifth largest solar farm in the US solar power. That's good. Right. But in spots Vania as with. Any of these high tech projects being tested. Some of the residents aren't happy about being the Guinea pigs. Here's a clip from the local radio station W AMU opponents of a long list of arguments against the project for one thing. It's too big half the size of Manhattan fondly resident Kevin McCarthy. This is just the wrong scale wrong place. If you want to start solar and spots Vania, we should start small. That's the debate going on in spots Vania, but it's happening all over where locals and officials and the companies don't always agree about whether these projects are good for the community. So several hundred miles north spots. Vania you will get to our example. Those bitcoin factories in Messina New York where the power thanks to the local dam is plentiful and cheap. So far. I think it's fair to say that Messina's local officials view, the bitcoin factories as net neutral there's little lost. But little gained either. And for a town that seen hundreds of jobs leave in the last five years that is disappointing. It is not unusual though. I found this rather upsetting report about the job situation from the Brookings institute. Here I'm just gonna redo this one paragraph in two thousand eight at the start of the recession employment. Rates didn't vary by the size of the community during the recession, of course. Employment rates everywhere went down, but starting at twenty thirteen when the recovery picked up enough to start creating jobs, something new and different happened quote. Big techy metros like San Francisco, Boston and New York flourished accounting for seventy two percent of the nation's employment growth since the financial crisis. I mean, seventy two percent of the jobs have gone to just three cities. So who's left behind well rust belt towns places that now have to work out the major issues of our time unemployment drug, addiction, natural resources allocation, so will bitcoin saved Messina probably not. But as I was listening to all the interviews that our producer thal, you Beatty did on her visit there in January, it became very clear to me that there were a couple people to women in particular who really embody. What these towns need? They appear them is for me the plateau of productivity. My name is our credit. I'm Saint Lawrence county legislator for district eleven. I'm also a small business owner Messina and I'm Rita current in. I am the sailors county legislator for district fifteen. I'm. Here in the community, Nancy and Rita just one election to the local legislator. One is Republican. The other is a democrat. I won't say which is which for now they've become friends partners doing the grunt work that local governance requires because the path progress is long productivity is about hard work. That's the reality. Here is folly as final audio post card from the north country and see if you can guess which woman is the democrat, and which is the Republican. Did you guys know each other before you joined the board? Did you meet each other on the campaign? Do we need we met after we won? I knew your grandfather. Freighter s- already knew him. I knew your mom, and then she reached out to me kind of immediately and said, hey, burn this together. Let's figure this out for the newer members. And especially for the women. We kind of think we felt we had to have talk about like. How things we're going to go. Worked for tens at one office in the night have one per diem job that I do on the weekends. Sometimes not every weekend probably four days. Five days a month. My day starts around five AM to get all this done. And then 's ten eleven o'clock at night, sometimes midnight, and then my days off are split between organizing what I have to do for the legislature reading through the proposals before you get there. And I think that the legislature work itself is probably twenty to thirty hour week job. I don't know how she doesn't. She's more children than I do and husband. So. That's very busy. You run a business and have a family. And now have this new position. What's your strategy? Well, I believe in family is team. We all have a role to play. And and that includes my children. And so I include them in everything I do I have included them in my business. Whether it's spring into work and let him my daughter who is seven helped cash people out and put their receipt in the bag and put their products in the bag. She feels really good about it. When I was campaigning. My children pulled wagons behind me and helps and out literature with your husband or a group of friends. Your sister your mother, that's how you're hot. So you get things done. If I can offer this this isn't just the trend that's been happening Messina, it's a national trend of manufacturing plants closing in this sort of changing economy in a migration from rural to urban areas. And so I I the press about the blockchain stuff made it seem like this big promise like they were going to be the next big thing. But so let me just ask like do. You know, anyone who works at any of these plants about the kinds of jobs that exists there. That's the interesting thing when everything hit the papers, it was jobs jobs jobs, but I can't name one person that is working at those facilities. So where are the jobs that were promised? That is my problem with these companies when Missy no was thriving and people had jobs they had prime purpose prosperity. Would you? I think we need a messy Anna, strong businesses that are going to come in and really support the community by having employees that they stand by with ages that they stand by benefits San by. So that people can feel good about themselves and take care of their families. One thing that I always try to push the words living wage people don't understand what that means. It's one thing to have a job. It's another thing to have a career or a wage that you can feel good about not people working for ten dollars an hour and barely being able to pay the rent and barely being able to put food on the table or they're just at the poverty rate because they just make enough money where they can't get a systems. They're barely making ends meet. And most importantly as a parent. I wanna see people who are able to parent and take care of their bills and their needs. And it's not believe it is a pipe dream. I think that we have what these companies need. We have great location. We have cheap power. We have the land. We have buildings that are able to be utilized. So you're up domestic as legislature as legislator, and as a business owner, everything is cyclical. So at one time everyone went to downtown's everyone went downtown you shop downtown you went to the barber downtown all the cafes were downtown. And then something happened malls opened and everyone started going to malls, and as mall started to slowly die people went to small strip malls. And now people are looking for that Norman. Rockwell feeling and they're going back to downtown. So I do believe it will happen. That's why I chose to reinvest my business here. So I do believe it will come back around. And I think it will come back. I don't anything that. I'm, you know, anti crypto currency is if they're willing to come in and invest, I just wanna see I wanna see that real investment every leader in the community has a different agenda, or they have a different view, minus people thought is my what I wanna see the investment. Think that I think that people always think that if your office it parties that you just don't agree on anything. And we are you are we are parties. Yeah. It's interesting. So, but we have some very core principles that we agree on. We we really think that the drug problem in this community is a huge issue. I have family friends that have lost their children to drug overdose. Locally and people that I worked within Syracuse, and I can tell you being in the emergency room. You know, we've had people we've taken care of we've lost. And it's just really is something that I'm passionate about. I don't wanna have to pick up the phone and call anybody else's parents ever to tell them that their trial this gun. And I think that what she and I found is some very important topics that she, and I share the same opinion on and feel that we can make a difference. I think that what rate on I have found that both both read. I I can't speak for you. But we are both sick of party politics. I think read and I work while together because triage, the situation we prioritize what we think we need to work on. We're going to you know, we've decided to kind of team up and just really go at it. So which one of you was a democrat in which one of us here. Okay. To try to guess this. No. Right. Yeah. There you go. Living wage. I think you're the democrat. That's. Mantis? Nancy? Our cat owns a jewelry store, and is a democratic legislator in Messina, New York Rita Curren is a nurse practitioner and a Republican legislator in the town of Messina, New York. I am such a fan of their pragmatic approach to building, trust and empathy between neighbors bipartisan communities and states where both sides of the aisle can come together and solve our big problems for the good of us. All. Many thanks to both of them for taking time out of their incredibly busy schedules to talk to us about their mission to bring stable work back to Messina, which by the way, he's already happening. Just as we were finishing up this episode. We got some late breaking news from Messina. Here was the headline on WW N Y TV's. Tonight's a new deal the brings job security to hundreds of north country workers the governor announcing this agreements in Messina. Alcoa, the local aluminum factory made a deal with the state power thirty to keep getting cheap power enough to keep its operation going in Messina N save four hundred and fifty jobs there as Senator Chuck Schumer put it the entire Messina community can breathe a big science relief and look to the future. But I just wanna flag something the agreement is for seven years, and then the relationship between me industry, the locals the government and the New York power authority has to be negotiated figured out. All over the cycle continues. What fascinating ride. We have had on the hype cycle on this third season of zigzag. All right. So what happens next won't tell you. What happens next season four happens? And it starts on Thursday, April eleventh, we have been cooking up some good stuff for you. Because whether it's our jobs or companies or just how we design our lives. I think so many of us are rethinking how we define success for ourselves and for society at large, and we are going to continue to map out. How we move forward. We've got great conversations with people about the future of work the future of women in work the future capitalism. The future of how we make companies that actually show that they care about society and make money is it possible. We're gonna find out. If you're not subscribe to the podcast, click the button on whatever podcasting apps. You're listening to make sure you get the episode delivered automatically in case. You don't remember that April eleventh is important day and sign up for the stable genius newsletter. Go to zigzag pod dot com and at the bottom of the page. You will see a box to stick your Email in. We will never spam. You I promise if you've trouble signing up just Email us at zigzag at Stiebel G dot com, and we will do the signing up for you. There's been beautiful artwork to go. With every episode the season from the fabulous straighter. Sarah wong. You should check that out too. Again, zigzag pod dot com is the place to go. Okay. I'm gonna talk to you in a couple of weeks. I miss you already. Zigzag was produced by me. And Jen poignant map, pointing is our audio engineer David Herman is our composer, many thanks to Anya Zeke, Dan Zula and Karen Kay for their help to in a very special. Thank you to producer Thala Beatty for her reporting on bitcoin and Messina this season value is going back to working in the realm of fact, checking and verifying information, she's just taking a job with our friends over at propublica. And we wish her, and of course, them the very best. Zigzag comes from stable genius productions we are proud members of radio topa from PR X. I'm anew summer ODI. And thank you so much for listening. Hi, Mnuchin, Jen. This is your fan t in sisters, Oregon at the edge of the desert where it meets the pines. The thing about the hype cycle and applying it to all creative endeavors is that as soon as that productivity is really the goal really having an end goal at all can get in your way. The creativity itself is what's fun. And so the peak of inflated expectations is only a bummer if you honestly think all these past ideas should play out according to your expectations. This all sounds very like. Buddhist, and I'm not a Buddhist. But I really think that the roller coaster ride is the fun. And you ironically, you're more likely to end up with a successful project and something you do feel good about once you let go of all those worries. So that's my experience. Hope it's useful to you Chow. Radio. Ex-?

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Explainer 171: Stonewall at 50

Monocle 24: The Foreign Desk

08:07 min | 2 years ago

Explainer 171: Stonewall at 50

"Fifty years ago this week patrons of the stonewall in a gay bar in New York's Greenwich Village stood up to police who had raided the venue since then the stonewall uprising has become the most storied event in the history of the LGBT, right struggle. But there's a history that has been and continues to be both under documented and overlooked. There isn't even a consensus on exactly what transpired on the evening of the uprising itself, I wanted to find out more about what forces have shaped the documentation of LGBT history to begin I paid a visit to pick Marcus at his home in Manhattan. My name is Eric Marcus. And I am the founder and host of the making gays repot cast. And we bring LGBTQ history to life to the voices of the people who lived it, and we draw much of material material from my archive of one hundred interviews that I recorded thirty years ago for an oral history book of the same name. I knew nothing about the movement before nineteen sixty nine I thought everything began stonewall. I discovered that was wasn't the case that I was really outraged. I thought why didn't I know this history to me? And so in most ways the most interesting part of our history is the history before stonewall, and I was able to find all of these people, mostly elderly, who had been there at the very beginning of the movement in the US, and I got to record their stories, my conception of LGBTQ history, changed dramatically that I spoke with people on there wasn't much written about it at the time I started my work, and so I had ideas about people, especially in the early movement that there was some how accommodation as so that all they wanted to do as simulate and it was the perspective of the people who wrote about it writing through the lens of the nineteen eighty s. What I didn't realize what the times were like and what people were up against early in the movement, and how courageous really radical, they were in their thinking that they that they imagined a world that could be different and slowly found a way I fit into the world. And then to begin changing it, and that to me made them radicals, even though some of a lot of the activists came along later looked at them and thought of them as less than and old fashioned that somehow there, what they did didn't matter very much, given the, the history of the movement goes back so far before stonewall. What do you think explains the editor of stonewall as a kind of watershed within algae, PT, Hugh history, stonewall uprising in stonewall was indeed a watershed of the movement? It was a turning point. But there were between fifty and sixty existing organizations in nineteen sixty nine there was a, a modest national movement. What stonewall did is it? Channeled or I should say the organizing that happened in the aftermath of stonewall based on the infrastructure that existed already channel, this new energy and anger into a much larger national movement. It, it inspired it triggered the gay liberation phase of what had been called the home afoul movement. So you went from fifty to sixty organizations in nineteen sixty nine to a year later, fifteen hundred organizations across the country, and then another year later twenty five hundred organizations thousands of young people at colleges and universities were brought into the movement. It was very young movement, and the people who are involved earlier were for the most part swept away some people continued on through the next days of the movement, and they brought their experience into this new phase of the movement. In fact, the first organizing meetings that were held right after stonewall were hosted by the Mattachine society, an organization founded in nineteen fifty in Los Angeles. And the daughters of leaders in organization for lesbians, founded in nineteen fifty five so it didn't. I thought that the movement sprang whole from the uprising of the stonewall inn, I didn't know, otherwise until I did my research and discovered that. It required. Concentration organizing in hard work to get from the stall uprising to the first pride March here in New York when you're later and then to this movement, that's now grown across the country and all over the world records of LGBT life have been shaped by the same divisions influence other histories, these include splits along sexual racial and generational lines. The lesbian her story archives are a historical repository run by lesbians for lesbians. I met Maxine Wolfe, one of the archives coordinate is in the Brooklyn brownstein. Whether kept most archives that call themselves LGBT are g and t they have practically no ill. Okay or be. So part of it is that we can't rely on other people to preserve our history. If you read most history books about the gay movement. A lot of what is in. There is about men and their movement, not what lesbians would doing at the same time, and even if they're lesbians in the organization, they don't get as much visibility. So this is about making sure that lesbians are at the center of that history. Also the way that we define it is very different than most archives. We define it as being as broad as possible we don't want to create an archive that's about only about famous lesbians, which most archives, they want material from well-known members of the community, and we have that, but we also value, the idea as Joan Nestle said that any lesbian at walks in here can see an image of herself which. Means that we have the papers of lesbian prostitutes, and go, go dancers, and truck drivers and secretaries as well as having papers of people like orgy Lord, or Audrey enrich, or other well-known, lesbians, would you mind showing me around? So on the first floor we put the things that most people who are not necessarily academic, researches would want to see novels autobiographies biographies. We also have literary criticism we have and Thala geez. We have poetry books. We have poetry anthologies, my favorite thing on this floor, though is we have books from other countries. And one of my favorite books is this, which was may? It's, it's called a Dikshit airy and it's handmade by a group of Japanese lesbians who brought it here, and it has phrases in English, and then Japanese, and then Japanese and English, and you can see it's all handmade. So it has things like are you monogamous? Women's take back the night it has a Butch on the streets in between the sheets. This is all an English. And then in Japanese this, reflects the way that I think, so many lesbians feel about wanting to make sure that people remember us. And that's what this archive is about the most touching thing that happens here is to see somebody come in and see something that they were part of some lesbian will walk through the door from some other state and, you know, an older woman who will say, you know, I was part of this poetry, collective in one thousand nine hundred seventy five and I bet you know, we did this book but you probably don't have it. And then I'll say, well, let's look, and then we look and we find it and people cry, you know, women cry when they come in here and see a couple of things not just something that's there's, but a place that respect. Who they are a place that is beautiful, and that is put together and that cares about who they are. And that's very important to me. And I think to everybody who is at the archives today, LGBT history is documented move freely in extensively even ever before. But as the wheel celebrates pride this month, we would do well to remember the people whose lives anti, we're not giving the attention. They deserved for multiple twenty four in New York on Henry Sheridan.

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