20 Episode results for "Tex Watson"

Sharon Tate

Death of a Film Star

31:09 min | 2 months ago

Sharon Tate

"Hello i'm alan coming. And i have a new podcast called an incoming shelves you see. I have quite a few shells in my host. That are sort of a museum of each episode. I'm going to take an item off my shelves. Tell you why it's there in the first place then starts talk about my memories of it and then i chat with a friend who's involved in those memories. I've spoken to in mckellen about the bracelet that he bought me on a nudist beach. Visted together cindy lauper by a pair of white leather gloves. I won't on broadway and even get to hear geri halliwell talk about my spice girls lunchbox and that is not a euphemism. I have some really amazing guests coming onto chat. So i just hope you will join me. I know you have to do to do that is to search allen. Cummings shelves whatever you get your podcasts from season. This is a crowd podcast okay. There's things you need to know about this story the places it's going to take you the things you'll see in your head the staff you won't be able to forget there's no happy endings with sharon tate. No logic silver linings. No here not with. This story is many things what you're about to hear. It's the death of a young woman of a mother a week or two giving birth the murder of film star wife and a daughter but so much more to it's madness come to la la land. It's a cult leader gone crazy. It's bad drugs. And mr pie is and exploitation and carnage. It's darkness descending over a town that's meant to be all sunshine and dreams come true it might be the end of the sixties to a few months left in a decade but all its optimism and promise smashed and broken a nightmare to smother the technicolor daydream. And there's all these famous people mixed up in it. The beautiful people film directors film stars like steve mcqueen rockstars the beach boys the birds the beatles. So where do we start where it all ends with this twisted tale a big house up in the canyons above la in august nineteen nine a quiet road that leads nowhere else. There's a high gate a low fence fairy lights up on the wire like it's christmas like there's something enchanted about it all. There's a curved drive up to the main house. A small guesthouse hidden beyond. That may be sixty odds down. The garden is cooler up here above the city. You sleep with your windows open. You want the breeze in an la summer. it's just after midnight. Most people are embed but people hear things over the road down the canyon about half a mile away. There's some girls from local school there camping out there all asleep. It's the teacher wondering around the tents. Who has the scream. Who thinks he has a man shouting. Oh god no please. Don't that's what he thinks he is. He can't be sure it's over suddenly. There's another couple in the house of the road. It's their dogs going crazy. That wakes them up. Hunting dogs trained to respond to the sound of gunfire. But it's the cleaner the next morning. Who finds it all who walks up to. The gate looks up at the telegraph poles and thinks all those wires have been caught. Who pushes open the back door and wonders why there's red paint all over. The walls smeared all over the floors. Who takes another step and sees the first body his what the cups find when they arrive. A few minutes later on the drive is a white car. There's a kid inside company more than eighteen. He's been shot and stopped on the lawn. A man in flares and the purple shirt. Line like he's been dropped from the stars a mess of limbs and blood and great gaping wounds twenty feet on this young woman brown hair white. Tonight shut turned dark red with dried blood dead from multiple stab wounds. They approached front door. Is something written on the would word smeared in blood pig. Guns are now held in both hands out in front of them into the lounge. Another body a man multiple stab wounds. A white nylon rope around his neck tied to something on the couch. Someone and they don't see her until they look over the back cushions to the front and this year's flowery bikini talk and pants long blonde hair long limbs. It's sharon tate twenty six years old eight and a half months pregnant. Stabbed shot brutalized a mother a week or two from giving birth film star a wife daughter but this stuff we need to know stuff. We need to talk about how these people have got here. What's happened this wound sticky night. How this nightmare has taken over the city of sunshine. Why the devil is in the city of angels. Ooh this is shown takes house. It belongs to a record producer and his actress. Wife remember them. We'll come back to them. She's renting it this young woman with her husband. Who is he roman. Polanski film director. Maverick sort of a superstar himself. He's thirty three years old polanski. A long way from post war poland where he grew up from auschwitz where his mother died in the gas chambers. He's been making films in english for a few years now. Trashy ones dark ones rosemary's baby about woman pregnant with the devil's child him. Sharon meets on a real stink over film is called fearless vampire killers. He directs it. She barely speaks looks blonde. mainly that's all they want but there's a spark between them the skinny model from texas this brooding man from film school. He wants her in his films. She wants better roles than she has. So it sort of works and they get married in chelsea in west. London and they could late sixties. He's in a velvet edwardian suit with a big white to rough around his neck. Austin powers basically. She's a white mini dress. That straight blond hair. Big lips long eyelashes. It's all perfect on the surface. The beautiful people moving the world on a new way of living a new way to be. But sharon's a woman in the sixty s. She's expected to look nice and say little just like in her films roman can screw around. She's meant to shrug and smile. She says we have a good arrangement. Roman leisa me. And i pretend to believe him how films she started one called valley of the dolls. There's a line. Her character says i have no talent. All i have is a buddy. So that's where they are these two they go back to the states and hang around in la. Hang around with a will. Produce a cool terry melcher. He's the son of doris. Day is produced. The birds. Mr tambourine man. The mamas and papas is dating another actress candice. Bergen beautiful people. They've got this cool house up in canyons above the city always hosting big parties loads of people around superstars hangers-on sixties weirdos. Sharon and roman needs somewhere to live so they rented for twelve hundred dollars a month and they keep hosting parties and strangers. Keep showing up when roman goes back to you for a few weeks. He asked some friends. Stay over with sharon keep company. He just wants to be sure right now. We need to talk about someone else charles. Manson things are never normal. We've charles manson. When he's nine years old he says his school on friar only when he gets sent to a place teenage troublemakers. He's not around by the priests who run it. When he goes to reform school he runs away eighteen times. Why because he's raped. Say the rumors. Because he's beaten up there finitely. how does he cope. He does something. He calls the insane game screens waves his arms about pretends to be going mad until they leave him alone so he's in and out of prison all the time but the time he's thirty two he spent more than half his life and institutions. He tells the authorities prisons mark. I want to stay here. But they let him out in march nineteen sixty seven and he goes to san francisco where is peace and love and he pees and acid and it's all begins he can manipulate people. Manson get them to do what he wants. He finds one girl moves into place moves another girl in then another soon. There's manson the first girl and seventeen others now. He's not charles manson ex-con he's a guru a mystic. He's a long brown curling around his face and bid his eyes stare at you into you now. He tells his followers that they're the manson family. Now he's telling them he's jesus or something similar he's the second coming he's the truth. And the light. They buy an old yellow school bus. Fifty outwith rugs and cushions do these epic road trips out into the desert taking acid listening to manson as he sits around the campfires and talks and pleads the next connection. Dennis wilson's drama in the beach boys. He's out in a desert to driving to la high on booze and lsd big bid on him sunkissed here. He picks up a couple of the manson family. Young girls takes them back to his house. Finds charles manson there. The next day treating him like a god kissing his bare feet so they hang out. Then it snows terry melcher. They worked together so manson meets meltsa and says musician. You're gonna record me now. it gets. We are dr manson's round. Dennis wilson's house all the time so other girls. There's the two men twenty goals and a lot of drugs. The men record music. The beach boys released a manson track as a b side. The girls are treated like servants. The house is treated like a squat. The landlord kicks them out. So now mansa moves again. There's an old deserted ranch across town sorts of falling down used to be a movie set for westerns is owned by a half blind eight year old. Manson says we'll stay with you and my followers will sleep with you for rent. Year is hair that manson starts telling them stories is prophecy. What's it called helter skelter. And his the next thing you need to know manson's obsessed with the beatles. He doesn't just listen to them. He thinks they're listening to him. He listens to the white album just and every song he thinks they're singing about was in his head about his visions about what he thinks is going to play out. Helter skelter is a different kind of song seriously. Heavy distorted guitars crashing drums. It might be the first heavy metal song ever. it's about the fairground ride. Is paul mccartney doing his little richard screen. It's john lennon wigging out ringo shouting about blisters on his fingers but not to munson when he's around the campfire at the ranch. Tolkien preaching pushing the drugs hell to scouts. Uh war it's revolution and this coming down fast. His what he says. There's a racial apocalypse coming. He's going to release an album full of hidden messages. Just like the beatles. It's young white women. Run away from home. It'll make black men attack white men it'll make white men attack other white men and black men until there's no one left just manson and his family hiding out in a secret city under the desert out in death valley. The lost white people enough rolling left a new. Jesus your own personal savior. So he works on songs. Manson and his followers the album. That's going to trigger it all. They listen to help skeletal all the time because he says there's a secret code. They're telling them the way to his secret. Underground city takes the songs. Terry melcher the producer and melcher. He wants nothing to do with it. No recall deal. No production manson manson stews. Manson wants revenge on the streets on the beautiful people. On away on terry melcher. There's a kid from the south who joins the family. The call him a tex watson. he listens when manson says helter. Skelter is coming. He waits for his role he's ready. They're all ready. What sharon tate got to deal with all this nothing as the point. She just lives in terry militias house. Charles manson hates terry melcher and he knows exactly where the house is. So it's a wound sticky august night up in the canyons. Maybe the hottest nights of the year takes us home. There's three others with her. Jc bring an ex-boyfriend famous. Hairdresser does not trough. Paul newman steve mcqueen wearing flares purple tongues took. There's abigail soldier heiress to a coffee empire. Twenty five years old brown hair brown eyes this her boyfriend for chick for hausky. Police playboy mates with roman polanski. Sharon's husband blonde hair. Blue eyes thirty two years old. There's others invited mcqueen music producer. Quincy jones they cry off. There's always other things to do in la on a saturday night so the four them eat dinner play music some of them smoke weed. They don't think about a murder that happened the week before. A music teacher killed out in malibu across town stabbed to death a message in blood left smeared on the wall political piggy. They don't know the main suspect lives on the old raunch with manson with the family. Why would they. And they don't know there's four members of the family walking towards their house rights now tex watson susan atkins linda ca sabia patricia krenwinkel. They don't know what manson's told them to do but he told them to go to. The house told them to totally destroy everyone. There that's the phrase he uses totally destroy the other thing he says. Do it as gruesome as you can. It's just midnight tex watson climbs telegraph paul outside. The house cost the wires he will to the gates with the others. They think it might be alarmed. So they jumped over a little gross embankments instead into the grounds. There's a car coming towards them up the drive. it's the teenager. Visiting his friend in the guesthouse are back. Nothing to do with anyone else with any of this and what's in stand in front of the car and pulls out a revolver. He stops him. I this innocent kid slashes. His hands seven tendons rips off his watch then he shoos him four times chest stomach chest stomach now. What's in to the house opened the window climbs in opens the front door from the inside less the others. It's for cow ski who eggs. I polish playboy shouts. What the hell are you doing here. And tex watson looks at him and says. I'm the devil and i'm here to do the devil's business. That's how it begins the poetry they find see bring the hairdresser. They find soldier the heiress they find sharon tate. You don't want the details. You don't want those images in your head so just this c- bring is stabbed. Seven times. Folder is stabbed twenty eight times in the house by the pool as she tries to crawl away. She cries out. look doing. i'm already dead for county is stabbed fifty one times in the lounge on the porch on the loan shan. Tate's she begs to live long enough to have her child to be a hostage so her child can live. They stop her sixteen times. She dies on the couch trying to cover her abdomen. And that's when they dip their had it. How blood walk back to the front door and smith a single word on the polished white paint. You had enough. We have but not manson the next night he takes the form. Murderers out in a car brings to other fuller was with him tells them they panicked before tells them he's going to show them how to do it properly. This time as a house next to one they used party at to people they don't know never met a guy who runs a supermarket a woman who runs address shop. They break in tie. The two victims up put pillowcases over their heads. Tie them on with lamp cords. This time they kill them with a bayonet stopped him twelve times. Stop forty one times. Use a knife to carve another word into his mutilated stomach war blood on the floor on the ceiling word smeared on the walls. Rise death to pigs something else on the door of the fridge helter skelter so none of it makes sense unless you're charles manson. Unless you're playing his insane game unless you're lost inside his nightmare lost in the lsd far from the lights far from the angels and nothing is the same again for anyone polanski. Sharon tate's husband the man who lost a wife or child. He's in london when he finds out russia's home goes to the house allows himself to be photographed by the front door by the word pig written in sharon tate. Sp- ludd tells life magazine. they can publish those photos. Hollywood panics of course it does. This drugs found in the house. We'd cocaine md ama but there's drugs to be found at everyone's house. The stars begin to hide to live behind high fences electrified. Walls behind bodyguards. No more open doors. No more open houses. No more sunshine and light instead paranoia and darkness panic fear. It takes a while for the murderers to be cool. There's a month before the police began to work it out before the papers stop talking about sex parties and satanic rituals and the sins of the beautiful people and when they go on trial it's manson on a stage of his choosing who shaves his head and trims his bid to appoint who tells reporters. I am the devil and the devil always has a bald head. Five of them are convicted sentenced to life in prison. Spare the electric chair by a supreme court ruling in an unrelated case an sharon tate. The young woman the actress the mother to be the wife the daughter this perfect sixties girl becomes eulogy for decade of hope for its excess for things that were never fought and should never have touched her. It's a boy child when they find him. He died twenty minutes off the his mother still in her. Woo still with her hands. Tried to cover him and charles manson. He lives on. He stays in prison where he says he always wanted to be. He writes prophecies and sends letters and messages young women on the outside and carves recess marks on his own forehead with homemade knives. This something else. He says at the trial something else. You can't forget in this story that takes you to so many places you don't want to go. He says the music speaks to you every day. But you are two deaf dumb and blind to even listen to the music. It is not my conspiracy. It's not my music. I hear what it relates. It says rise it says kill. Why blame it for me. I didn't write the music. This episode of death of film star was written by tom. Ford is and performed by me elroy. Spoon face powell spoon. The voice guy. It was edited by phil brown. The music we used is from our partners. Bmg production music for research. We read helter skelter. The true story of the manson murders by vincent bugliosi and curt gentry and my life with charles manson by pull watson we also use the archives of the los angeles times new york times rolling stone and the bbc watched several documentaries and really watched the quentin tarantino movie. Once upon a time. In hollywood if this is your first episode go back and listen to our episode about the last days of marilyn monroe and if you want another series to listen to check out death of a rockstar which tells the stories of john lennon elvis and more defined it search for deaf of a rope star in your podcast app. Thanks for listening crowd network. A place you belong. Hello i'm coming. And i have a new podcast called an incoming shelves you see. I have quite a few shells in my house. That are sort of a museum of my life in each episode. I'm going to take an item off my shelves. Tell you why it's there in the first place. Then start talk about my memories of it. And then i chat with a friend who's involved in those memories. I've spoken to in mckellen about ham bracelet. He bought me on a nudist beach. We visited together. Cindy lauper by a pair of leather gloves. I won't on broadway and even here geri halliwell talk about my spice girls lunchbox and that is not a euphemism. I have some really amazing. Guess coming onto chat. So i just hope you will join me and all you have to do that is to search for allen. Cummings shelves whatever you get your podcasts from season.

manson terry melcher charles manson tex watson sharon tate Manson la rockstars the beach boys the b steve mcqueen Dennis wilson Sharon cindy lauper Roman leisa Mr tambourine geri halliwell nudist beach mckellen meltsa
Charles Manson Pt. 2: Helter Skelter

Crimes of Passion

56:28 min | 2 years ago

Charles Manson Pt. 2: Helter Skelter

"Due to the graphic nature of these crimes listener discretion is advised this episode includes discussions of murder sexual assault drug drug use and violence that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under the age of thirteen when Suzanne struthers fifteen year old brother call to tell her. Nobody was answering the door at their mother and stepfather's house. She didn't believe him at first. It was after nine P._M.. And they weren't the type to go out carousing late at night but he insisted she come over. Suzanne told herself. It was probably nothing one of his jokes that she didn't understand but she couldn't shake her rattled nerves she. He took her boyfriend Joe to go investigate. When Suzanne arrived at her parents house she retrieved the spare key and unlocked the back door? Joe suggested that she she weighed in the kitchen while he checked the living room as she waited. Suzanne looked around and spotted a pile of watermelon rinds in the sink. The site of the mess us in her mother's normally meet kitchen gave Suzanne chill a moment later Joe hurried back into the kitchen seeing his face Suzanne's museum worry turned to panic. He wouldn't tell her what he saw in the living room only that they had to leave right now as Joe Joe guided her to the back door. Suzanne glanced at the refrigerator startled scrawled on the door and red paint was a strange message coach helter skelter hi I'm Lena hops and this is crimes of passion apar- cast original the legal definition of a crime of passion is a violent crime that occurs in the throes of extreme emotion leaving no time to reflect on the consequences but in this show we explore passionate crimes primes how does a marriage progress from husband and wife to killer and victim or killer and co-conspirator if there's visit them mind between love and hate what manipulates our relationships and a deadly results last week we explorer Charles Manson's troubled troubled childhood in and out of juvenile facilities as an adult. He spent another ten years in prison but despite his criminal tendencies Charles had an amazing talent for manipulating people when he was released from prison in nineteen sixty seven Charles used this power of manipulation addition to attract a following of lost vulnerable people who were desperate for love and guidance he called his group of two dozen disciples the family family under Charles Guidance they spent their day squatting at Spahn ranch and seamy valley taking drugs participating in group sex and listening to Charles Lecture about a coming race war which he called helter skelter but by July of nineteen sixty nine Charles's thoughts and actions were turning increasingly violent after a dispute with a drug dealer named lots of Papa Charles went to lots of poppas apartment can't shot him and left him for dead but this shooting was only the start of the brutality Charles perpetuated that summer in this episode we'll talk about how Charles directed his followers to kill for him how the group began to splinter in the aftermath of the violence and how the family family was finally brought to justice. This episode is part of our casts summer of Sixty Nine Event July twenty second through August night. All your favorite podcast shows are teaming up to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary of a landmark summer in American history. The summer of nineteen eighteen sixty nine from the Manson murders to the moon landing. We're diving deep into the summer. America hit a boiling point with twenty three special special episodes across sixteen different podcast originals will be digging into the fallout of emo KS assassination a wide reaching l._S._d.. Cold Old and rumors of a Kennedy family cover up you can find these specials and more all in our new park has presents feed on spotify or anywhere you listen to podcasts at podcast. We are grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach reach out on facebook and Instagram podcast and twitter at podcast network several of you have asked how to help us if you enjoy today's episode the best way to assist to leave a five star review where ever you're listening it really does help the last week we explored Charles Manson's troubled childhood in and out of juvenile facilities as an adult. He spent another another ten years in prison but despite his criminal tendencies Charles had an amazing talent for manipulating people when he was released from prison in nineteen sixty seven Charles used his power of manipulation to attract a following of lost vulnerable people who were desperate for love love and guidance he called his group of two dozen disciples the family under Charles's guidance they spent their day squatting at spahn ranch in Seamy Amy Valley taking drugs participating in group sex and listening to Charles Lecture about a coming race war which he called helter skelter but by July of nineteen sixty nine Charles thoughts and actions were turning increasingly violent after dispute with a drug dealer her name Martha Papa Charles went to lots of poppas apartment shot him and left him for dead but this shooting was only the start of the brutality Liberty Charles perpetuated that summer in this episode we'll talk about how Charles directed his followers to kill for him how the group began to splinter in in the aftermath of the violence and how the family was finally brought to justice after Charles gunned down on lots of Papa in July of nineteen sixty nine he bragged to his followers about the shooting but he wrongly believed lots of Papa was affiliated with the Black Panthers Panthers and worried that the panthers might come after the family and Revenge Charles became fixated on his plan to flee death valley and Wade out helter authors kilter in isolated safety there Charles said they would hide in a pit until the world returned to order but before they could make take their trip to the desert the family needed to raise some funds Charles Thaad one potential source of income might be thirty four year old music teacher and drug dealer dealer Gary Henman and men was friendly with the family sometimes letting them crash at his house but Charles was an interested in the man's friendship <music> with Henman as with all Charles's relationships Charles only cared about how he could use the other person to benefit himself this. This was also how Charles felt about twenty one year old musician Bobby beausoleil bobby wasn't an official member of the family but he hung out at the ranch frequently frequently listen to Charles Lectures about helter skelter and was romantically involved with some of the family women in July of nineteen sixty nine nine Charles learned that the two men were in the midst of an argument Bobby Beausoleil had purchased a thousand tabs of Mescaline from Gary Hinman but he then claimed name but the drugs were tainted. Bobby wanted his money back. Charles figured that as long as bobby was asking for a refund he should demand some extra cash to to help fund the families 'cause in exchange Charleston over a few family members to Henman's house to put pressure on him. Charles knew that Henman Bliss particularly attracted to Manson family member eligible Bailey so he suggested she go along to help her swayed Henman but L. A. Joe asked to be excused from duty. Perhaps she guests at the visit might become violent. She later said that she witnessed the family members arguing over which guns and weapons they would bring the Henman's apartment instead Charleston family members Bruce Davis Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner to act as enforcers they he held the drug dealer up at gunpoint while the spurn Bobby Beausoleil beat him senseless eventually henman agreed to sign over the pink slips to his two vehicles goals as payment but when bobby called Charles to let him know he wasn't satisfied he was sure Henman must have money stashed away for the next two days Bobby Mary Brenner and Susan Atkins held Gary Hinman hostage in his home. They continue to make demands demands for money while bobby relentlessly beat him when Henman told them he'd go to the police bobby was spooked. He might go to prison for what he done. He called Charles. Who said you know what to do? Bobby took that as a command to silence Henman by killing him before I continue with Bobby Psychology please note that I am not a licenced psychiatrist or psychologist but I have done a lot of research for the show. The American Psychological Association has expressed skepticism that people can be brainwashed into acting violently but some psychologists his point to countless examples of people falling under a violent Colt influence and going on to do the unthinkable licensed mental health counselor stephen in Hassen use the rise about Keta and other terrorist groups as modern examples of how people can be indoctrinated into committing murder these extremist extremist groups have radicalized individuals through isolation limiting access to outside information and instilling an US versus them mentality polity Charles Manson uses same tactics family members look to Charles as their only source of wisdom and guidance some even thought he he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ Charles exploited their trust to make them believe they had to take a stand against the rich and powerful pigs news of the outside world. The family wasn't just willing to kill for their God Charles. They were proud to do it. So when Charles Girls gave the word bobby readily obeyed he stabbed Henman then dipped his hand and the dying man's blood head to draw on the wall he wrote political piggy and then painted pawprint Charles had instructed bobby to leave evidence incriminating the Black Panthers he hoped Henman's death would heighten racial tensions and help kick off helter skelter then then the group left taking Henman's cars with them back at spahn ranch. Susan Atkins boasted to the other women about the murder but not all the family members were impressed. Ella Jo Bailey felt sick to her stomach. She couldn't believe that the people she saw every day. People she loved could casually admit to murder she had heard about Charlie early shooting and Black Panther a few weeks before but that hadn't hit her the same way. She figured it was just Charlie. Protecting the family hearing about Henman's death was different. She knew Henman she had been invited into his home l.. A. Joe wondered what might have happened if she hadn't refused to go back. Perhaps she could have done something to help. Henman now it was too late and she felt paralyzed. Paralyzed with guilt eligible reflected on her time with the Family Charlie had been the center of her life for nearly two years she she had once thought she'd be happy to follow Charlie's lead for the rest of her life but now she admitted that she felt differently. Perhaps it had started when Bill Vance joined the group bill was special and at some point after he arrived L. A. Joe had begun to think of him as her boyfriend but Charlie discouraged the family from forming attachments he told them that everyone belong to everyone else. Falling in love with bill was eligible first act of disobedience against Charlie now in the wake of Henman's death. L. Joe began to steal herself up for another her larger rebellion as soon as she could Bobby beausoleil decided to flee to San Francisco driving the car he had stolen from Henman but the car broke down midway there when highway highway patrol stopped to help they realized that an all points bulletin had been issued for the stolen car the officers discovered the knife bobby had used to stab hinman stashed in the cars well later they matched his fingerprints to a thumbprint left and Gary Henman's house. The officers arrested Bobby Lobby and he was charged with murder. When Charles heard about the arrest he was worried bobby? Mike confessed to everything implicating the family in the murder murder but he was also upset. The Henman's murder had it made more of an impact he had hoped to spark a media frenzy thou would initiate the coming race war so as family discussed how to deal with Bobby's of rest Charles began to work out a new plan he wanted to stage an even and more brutal murder one so shocking it would make headlines around the country Charles was sure that such an event would be enough to trigger helter skelter and as a bonus it might help bobby beausoleil. The family thought if more murders were committed while bobby was in in custody it would prove that the police had arrested the wrong man and he would be let go on the night of August eighth nineteen sixty nine Charles took family member Tex Watson aside and told him what needed to be done a year earlier when Charles was cozying up to every music industry contact attack that would tolerate him. He had pursued a relationship with music producer Terry Melcher at the time Melcher lived in a secluded house on Cielo drive live even though Melcher had moved out of the house some months before Charles reason that whoever lived there now must also be rich and famous anyone anyone who lived in a place like that must be the kind of high profile person whose death would make national news according to Charles's plan tax and a few of the family women would go to Cielo drive break into the house and murder them in his research. Stephen Harrison stated that in the most destructive colts psychological influence seeks to disrupt an individual's identity personal behavior thoughts emotions and reconstructed in the image of the leader Tex Watson win later say that he accepted Charles's plan without an argument because Manson slaw law was greater than his own conscience Charles recruited more followers to help tax twenty one year old Susan Atkins Twenty one year old Pat Krenwinkel and twenty year old Linda Ca Sabin he instructed them to obey any command techs gave but didn't tell them the goal of the mission as they got into the car. Charles called out do something witchy it was a code to replicate Gary Henman's murder and the political piggy Hegi message bobby had scrawled on the wall just after midnight on August ninth nineteen sixty nine the family arrived at the House on Cielo Drive Dr Texts instructed the women to climb over the fence once they were on the grounds techs told them the plan kill anyone they found inside coming up. We'll talk about the infamous murder spree of August ninth eighth and Tenth Nineteen Sixty nine. Have you heard about Fab fit fun. It's a women's lifestyle subscription option box filled with full-size premium beauty lifestyle fitness home and tech products and it sent right to your door with the seasonal must haves. You need need when my first facet fun box arrived. It felt like a friend had sent me a Christmas gift. All of the items are wrapped beautifully and you get to see what each product is like like based on the magazine that is included in the box. It's all full sized products of items. I would never think to buy for myself. That's why I love fat fun and now some of the items are customizable so if you want you can curate the box to your specific interests or domed and be surprised but I always look forward to the day my fat that fund box arrives the fact that fund box is a seasonal subscription box that retails for forty nine ninety nine nine but always has a value over two hundred dollars. It's full of full-sized beauty fitness fashion and lifestyle products use a Coupon Code Code C._O._P.. For Ten dollars off your first box at fat that Fund Dot Com. That's ten dollars off your first box when you use Coupon Code C Z. O. P. AT FAB FUND DOT com. They seem like a friend or even family family. You trust them with your life but behind the promises of fame success and riches beyond your wildest dreams. It's just another another scammer trying to cheat you out of your life savings every week. The new podcast original con artists dived into the psychology the of hustlers swindlers and fraudsters to share with you the greatest cons of all time con artists come from different walks of life and we cover cover all of them. They're no founder and C._E._O.. Elizabeth Holmes grew her company to a value of nine billion dollars. Despite the fact that its its flagship technology did not work Jordan Belfort also known as the wolf of Wall Street partied hard and made millions while engaging and stock doc market manipulation and Bernie Madoff Atop Wall Street market maker who operated one of the biggest Ponzi schemes of all time conning thousands of clients out of almost sixty five billion dollars spot the con- before it finds you listened to con artists search for and subscribe to con artist on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts or visit podcast dot com slash con artists to listen now and be sure to stick around after this show to hear a clip of the first episode of Con Artists Now back to the story story just after midnight on August Ninth Nineteen sixty-nine Tex Watson Season Atkins Pat Krenwinkel and Linda Kosabe Ian drove through Benedict Canyon until they reached the house at one. Oh Five Oh Cielo drive once they got their techs gave the women the order he had received from Charles Charles Manson they were to break in and kill everyone inside after Melchior moved out thirty five year old director Roman Polanski and his wife Twenty six year old actress Sharon Tate rented the House that night Polanski was not home he was filming filming a movie in Europe but pregnant tate just two weeks away from her due date had stayed behind in Los Angeles another couple also resided the house a longtime friend of Polanski's thirty two year old Vojtech Frankowski and his girlfriend twenty five year old Abigail soldier the pair had moved in to keep sharing company before the birth on that August night Sharon had another visitor her close friend and hairstylists thirty five year old J. C. bring in addition to the main house. The property also had a smaller guest cottage. The property caretaker nineteen year old William Garretson lived in the cottage that night he had a friend over eighteen year old student. Steve Parent parent was just leaving the property around twelve fifteen a m on August ninth. When the family members heard Steve Parents car coming toward them down the driveway they hid in some bushes but as a car stopped at the front gate techs emerged holding his gun the teenager implored please? Please don't hurt me. I'm I'm your friend. I won't tell TEX ignored him. He sliced parents arm with a knife and then shot him for times. Steve Parents slumped over in the front seat dead the group pause to see if the gunfire had alerted the residents of the home but the surrounding canyons muffled the sound Texan the women continued on to the main house techs found in open window leading into the Frans Hall after slicing open the screen he told Linda to stay and keep lookout while the rest went inside in the Living Room Tex Susan in an pat found boy tech break Hausky asleep on the couch. Frankowski woke up and ask them what they wanted. Techs replied. I'm the the devil and I'm here to do the devil's business then he kicked by house-key in the head rendering him barely conscious textile the women to check the rest of the house. They found Abigail folder Sharon tate and J. C.. Bring in the bedrooms brandishing their knives. They ordered everyone to the living room. Once their tax tied up the men Jay and the still dazed for a house-key <music> Sharon tate started to cry J. shouted. Can't you see she's pregnant. As soon as Jay spoke techs tax shot him in the abdomen text demanded all the money the hostages had folder revealed that she had about seventy dollars in her purse. It's about five hundred dollars today. Tate explained that she didn't have any money in the house but she could get some knowing that Charles would be upset that if they returned to spawn ranch without much cash tex became angry J._c.. Bring grown in writhe on the floor from his gunshot that wound Tex world on him and stabbed him until he died when tate and folger's screamed in Horror Vojtech for Hausky awoke from his stupor and struggle to untie his own hands Susan Atkins leapt at him and stabbed his legs tex turned the gun on him and began to shoot but he somehow managed to break free and limped outside techs quickly caught up with him. Frankowski died with two bullet wounds Jones and fifty one stab wounds Linda. K._C._B._S. was still outside keeping lookout when they had set out that evening she thought they were going on another another creepy crawling mission not a murder spree as soon as she saw tax shoot Steve Parent she had entered a state of shock. Now she made an attempt to end the gory scene she shouted. Please make it stop people are coming but nobody was coming and tax did not stop Linda gave up she decided to hop the fence. Get away from the property and wait by their car. As for a house-key died on the Front Lawn Abigail soldier tried to break away she also tried to escape across the yard but Pat Krenwinkel in lingle caught up with her and stabbed her when tex trotted over he pointed path towards the guest cottage and told her to look inside and kill anyone one there at seemed shaken after stabbing Bolger and she only pretended to check the guest cottage telling tax at the house was empty. If the caretaker William Garretson was awake he didn't give any sign to reveal himself techs. Meanwhile continued stabbing Abigail folder later. He claimed she told him as she died. I give up. You've got me finally the murderers turned into pregnant Sharon Tate Tate Beg them to spare her. She pleaded with them to kidnap her and keep her alive just long enough to deliver her baby. The family ignored her. Susan Atkins held the sobbing woman while Tex stabbed her sixteen times when she was dead. Susan dipped a towel in her blood and wrote the worth Hig on the front door with their mission accomplished. The group left the property techs. Susan and Pat Join Linda a car and drove away when they got back to the ranch inch Charles was eager to hear about the crime in fact he wanted to see it for himself to make sure it was gruesome enough to attract media attention then he drew back to the House himself that night and made small adjustments wanting to make the crime scene as bizarre and shocking as possible he placed the towel over Jaycee brings head. He draped an American flag over Sharon Tate's body. He moved a pair of glasses to the living room when when he was finished he drove back to spahn ranch and went to bed the next Lisa also found a number of recreational drugs in the House M._D._a.. A- sheesh and marijuana perhaps the murders were the result of a drug deal L. gone bad back at spahn ranch. Susan Techs and Pat Watch the news and basked in the attention. Their crimes had received Charles wasn't satisfied. None of the reports blamed the deaths on the Black Panthers nor do they link the debts to Gary Henman's murder. The tate murders wouldn't clear Bobby Beausoleil. 's name nor would they begin helter skelter so Charles decided that more people had to the die this time it wouldn't simply issue orders from the ranch. He intended to oversee the killings himself. Charles gathered rather the same group he'd sent to Ceelo Dr Techs Susan Pat and Linda no one had told Charles that Linda ran away during during the previous night's murders and she was too afraid to object when Charles selected her for a second journey Charles also brought Nineteen Year Roll Leslie Van Houten an eighteen year old clem Grogan the group dressed in dark clothes and gathered their knives then they set out into the tonight Charles directed them to a neighborhood in Los Feliz and told them to stop next door to a house the family had been to before for parties. He's but the friend had moved out the previous fall and no one was sure why Charles pick this target he in Tex- gone out of the car and entered entered through an unlocked back door inside forty four year old Lino Lobby Yongfu and his wife thirty eight year old rosemary were asleep Lino you know in Rosemary were not rich celebrities. He ran a chain of grocery stores and she owned a dress shop. They were a well liked upper middle class couple. They had no connections to Manson or the family. When Charles Tex went into the house they found Lino Asleep on the couch? When he awoke Charles Order a text to tie the man's hands behind his back with some leather ropes he brought from the ranch Charles went into the bedroom brought out Rosemary Harry and sat her next to her husband then he retrieved pat and Leslie from the car he told techs make sure everybody he does something before? Leaving Charles Stole Rosemary's Wallet Techs put a pillowcase over Leena La Bianca as head and wrapped a lamp record around the man's neck and mouth he instructed pat and Leslie to take Rosemary into the bedroom and do the same thing to her when when they were out of sight Tech Stab Lino with a bayonet from the bedroom rosemary screamed. What are you doing to my husband? She tried to run to Lino but the lamp cords wrapped around her neck or still plugged into the wall as Rosemary strained against the cords. Pat Pat stabbed her with a kitchen knife. Then Tex came in to complete the job with his bayonet when Rosemary was dead tax return to the Living Room stabbed Lino a few more times and carved the word war into the man's stomach pat stuck an ivory handled carving fork fork in his body. They went back to the bedroom. Were techs instructed Leslie to Stab Rosemary's body following Charlie's command that everyone participate when they were finished they use blood to write messages on the wall in the living room they wrote wrote rise and death to pigs in the kitchen on the refrigerator door. Pat wrote helter skelter misspelled spelled H. E. A. L. T. R. AS TEX PAT and Leslie followed followed Charles's orders Charles led the rest of the Women Linda Clem and Susan to a denny's restaurant instill mar he told Linda Delete Rosemary's wallet and the restaurant bathroom he expected a black woman to find the wallet steal the credit cards inside and then be blamed for the law Bianca's murderer's then Charles asked them who else they might kill Charles recalled Linda telling him about a Lebanese actor named salad natter whom she met while panhandling Linda had gone back to the actors home in Santa Monica to have sex Charles asked if Linda remembered the building where the actor lived windass said yes but when Charles handed her a knife and told her she was going to find matter and slit his throat. Linda balked the bloody events of the previous night had sickened her and she did not want to be a part of more violence. She said I'm not you Charlie. Dan Charles ignored her. He needed as many notorious deaths as possible to ignite helter skelter he dropped the family members off in front front of the actor's apartment and told Linda to lead Susan and Clem to the actors door where they would kill him. Then Charles drove away way back to spawn ranch. Linda pretended to obey Charles but she purposefully took Susan and Clem to the wrong unit when a stranger answered the door. Linda backed away and told the family that she didn't remember where natter lived the group hitchhiked back to spawn on and nobody discussed what had happened. The following evening Rosemary Labianca fifteen year old son frank came home. I'm from staying at a friend's house when his mother and stepfather didn't answer the door. Frank called his twenty one year old sister Suzanne and Suzanne's boyfriend Joe Dorgan the three entered the house where they found Rosemary and Lino Bianca dead the immediately called the police when journalists I got a hold of the story they noticed the similarities between the crime scene at Cielo drive and the Law Bianca residents police however were skeptical optical Leena La Bianca had some gambling debts and investigators thought he might build some money to members of the mafia although it seemed as if if the family had gotten away with murder Charles worried about Bobby Beausoleil who was still being held for Gary Henman's death and who might confess and point like the police to Charles at any moment the week after the murders Charleston Linda Kosabe into visit Bobby in jail and give him a message to stay quiet quiet. Linda happily took her assignment Linda K._C._B._S. in skin crawl the she thought about her naievety say she had left an unhappy marriage to join the family because she thought she might find higher love with Charlie and his women she felt disgusted gusted by what she knew now the family had nothing to do with love they were just mindless robots controlled by a Madman Linda would give anything to Undo the Knights of August ninth and tenth but her only option was to move forward she had had to get out only one thing was stopping Linda from deserting the family and never looking back her young daughter. Tanya UH lived at spahn ranch to limit desperately trying to think of a way to take Tanya without raising Charlie suspicions but it it was hopeless she knew Charlie would never let them leave together. If she tried Charlie might kill her and then Tanya would be stuck with the family family forever. Leaving Tanya was the hardest thing Linda had ever done but she knew that it was the only way to get help she had had to do it to save them. Both with her decision made Linda borrowed a car and meet a show of leaving to visit Bobby at the Los Angeles Louis County jail but instead of driving south she went east. Her heart broke as the mile stretched between her and Tanya but she she willed herself to keep going. She had to reach her husband Bob in New Mexico then she would tell him everything. After after Linda reunited with her husband she told him about the murderers but she was too afraid to go to the police worried the family might hurt her daughter. She was anxious to that. The family might try to come after her but by then Charles was too busy to pursue an insubordinate family member he was hard at work preparing his followers further move to the desert coming coming up. We'll talk about the fracturing of the family in Death Valley and how the groups breakdown helped investigators and prosecutors make their case against Charles Manson now the conclusion of the story in late August of nineteen sixty nine Charles Manson decided it was time for helter skelter to begin he ordered some of his most loyal followers to carry out a series of brutal murders on August ninth and tenth killing seven people not long after the murders spawn ranch was raided by police. It had nothing to do with the tate or lobby on the murders. Police suspected the group was operating an auto theft ring on the property they had been stealing Dune buggies and motorcycles our cycles in preparation for their trek to the desert and had actually previously been rated for similar suspicions. Police took some of the family members into to custody but the charges were dropped within days for lack of evidence. Although they released the adult family members they placed the family children including Linda CA sapiens daughter Tanya into foster care when Lyndon discovered this she returned to l._a.. County to regain custody over the girl but she did not reveal anything about the murders back at the ranch Charles remained anxious about the police's raid he thought it might be a signal that someone was spilling family secrets. He blamed Donald Shorty Shea an employee of the ranch owner short he didn't care for the families presence at at the ranch and he often advised his boss to kick them out given his animosity towards Charles Short. He made a convenience ape goat some night in late August about two weeks. After the Tate Murders Charles Bruce Davis and Clem Grogan took shorty shea out into into the desert and killed him with a Stun Charles decided it was time to retreat to Death Valley National Park hundreds of miles away from civilization to wait out the coming race Horse Charles most ardent followers were thrilled that they were finally going to escape into the pit Charles had prophesied they believed that once they were inside the pit they would go through metamorphosis and take whatever form they desired but they had to locate the pit before this could happen when they reached the desert. Charles ordered them to go on daily excursions in search of the whole that would lead them to the pit each night when they returned from day of searching exhausted they would gather around a fire her take hits of acid and listen to Charles preaching about helter skelter and their new life Sharon Kay Farber a counselor with a p._H._d.. In in social work said that colts prey upon the tendency of many to rely on magical thinking which reinforces the tendency to endow the leader with omnipotent patent and magical powers the member can readily come to believe that the leader can read his mind or hear conversations at a distance many many of Charles's followers were desperate for Charles's predictions to come true they had joined Charles in the first place to escape their empty lives and now they wanted to escape from reality itself but for the family members who were not quite sold on Charles is apocalyptic predictions life even death valley was a difficult adjustment. There was no electricity or telephones they were constantly running low on food and supplies and the daily expeditions to find the pit or brutal in the desert heat as morale dropped Tex Watson grew frustrated every day. The Group failed to find the pit techs grew more doubtful of Charles claims confused and depressed. He began to fervently Ervin. Lee wished that he could erase his life with the family. After a few weeks he left the Wchs Department these suspicions lead Park Rangers and the California Highway Patrol to pay the family visit they found stolen cars including in makeshift armored vehicles with scampered to hold weapons. The officer suspicions of the Strange Group deepened on October tenth the park service a highway patrol and Inyo County Sheriff's department raided the property authorities made over a dozen arrests but they did not locate Charles by by chance he had gone back to Los Angeles a day before to try to raise some extra money and replenish their food stash Charles returned to death valley as soon as she heard about the raid perhaps panicked at the thought of his followers in custody and what they might be telling the gleese he wanted to be physically close to <unk> them while he figured out how to regain control immediately after Charles's return. The authorities raided the desert ranch again this time as California Highway Patrolman James Pursell meet a sweep inside the House he found a lit candle flickering on the table and he knew that someone must must be home herself searched the bathroom right before his eyes the door of a small cabinet by the sinks Longo been and Charles Charles Manson emerged herself said if you make one false move I'll blow your head off to which Charles replied applied. I Charles was arrested and brought to a jail in Inyo county along with the rest of the family. Once serious interogations began everything started to unravel twenty year old kitty lead singer who was pregnant with Bobby Beausoleil as baby and frustrated that she was being kept in the dark told the police everything she heard about Gary Henman's murder she also told them she had heard Susan Atkins bragging being about stabbing a man in the legs she assumed Susan was talking about Henman but he hadn't been stabbed in the legs the attack she described fit another crime better the murder of Vojtech Reich Hausky at Sharon Tate's house investigators questioned Susan who corroborated the story story admitting that she had been present for Henman's murder. Susan was subsequently booked for murder and moved to a women's prison and Los Angeles County any Susan spend the next few weeks bragging to other inmates that she had been part of the Tate Murders John R Schaffer a behavioral analyst list for the F._B._i.. Says this behavior is common stating when criminals commit crimes they feel an overwhelming need to tell someone what they dead especially if the crime required skill and cunning criminals crave recognition for their nefarious deeds Susan's fellow uh-huh inmates reported her statements to authorities while investigators were linking the family to the tate and Hinman murderers they also discovered evidence of Charles's is involvement in the lobby bianca murders the leather material of Charles's deer skin suit matched the leather ropes used to tie the hands of Rosemary and Lino Lino Lubyanka in the previous months police had conducted three separate murder investigations without seeing a link between them now <hes> with the Manson family in custody. The connections between the Tate Labianca and Henman murders were staring them in the face now that the police had found the perpetrators of the murders prosecutor Vinson Bouillaud see began to build his case against Charles he would have to rely on witness MS testimony and for this he would need to convince some of the family members to let go of their devotion to and fear of their leader breaking breaking Charles's hold over the family was a difficult process psychologist and cold expert. Margaret Singer stated that the idea of leaving a colt is often unbearable for participants. She says there is a psychological bond that becomes most difficult to sever. Perhaps Charles Charles's most bonded and devout follower was Susan Atkins who had been present for all the bloody crimes. Susan Atkins ends. I'd the prosecutors sitting across from her. He was trying to question her but it was hard to focus on him. She had to stay alert and case Charlie. We tried to send a message to her. The lawyers kept telling her that Charlie was far away in jail in Inyo County but Susan knew that Charlie was everywhere he was watching her now. You would know if Susan betrayed him. Her lawyer told her that the prosecutors accusers wanted her to testify against Charlie. He told her that if she didn't cooperate prosecutors would push for the death penalty but Susan understood what her lawyers did not death was meaningless. Only the spirit mattered and the spirit lived forever. That's what Charlie had taught her. Susan Atkins belief in Charles was unwavering but she seemed to enjoy talking about the murderers lawyers convinced her to testify in front of a grand jury in Los Angeles. Susan explained how Charles had programmed the family to do things and gave detailed descriptions of their crimes. Susan didn't seem to realize that she was incriminating Charles. She saw her her testimony. As an opportunity to proselytize about Charles's godlike powers the grand jury panel issued indictments on seven counts of murder her and one count of conspiracy to commit murder against Charles Manson Tex Watson Susan Atkins Linda Ca Sapien and Patricia Krenwinkel Leslie Van Houten was indicted on two counts of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder. The trial began in the summer of nineteen seventy although she had testified in front of the Grand Jury Susan Atkins Refuse to testify for the prosecution at trial now now she claimed that Charles was innocent and that the family had acted alone without his help or influence but prosecutors had other witnesses to counter counter this they arranged deal with Linda Kosabe Ian who had accompanied the family on the murder missions but refused to kill anyone. Linda was granted granted immunity in exchange for her testimony. The prosecutors also secured the testimony of former family member Barbara Hoyt who had walked sixteen hours through the desert to escape them testifying against a family proved to be risky prior to the trial a family member approach Barbara era pretending to renew their friendship but then proceeded to poison Barbara with ten tabs of L._S._D.. When Barbara recovered from the overdose she was more determined than ever to testify although prosecutors manage to turn some family members into cooperative witnesses most of them remained under Charles's spell fame social psychologist Leon festinger studied similar behavior in nineteen fifties UFL Colt festinger linger noted that when the Colt Leaders Doomsday Prophesy failed the cult members became more committed rather than less festinger attributed this to cognitive dissonance writing that a person can distort her perception and the information about the world around her in order to protect her convictions during the Manson trial several of the family women gathered outside the courthouse every day singing and chanting for crowds of onlookers inside the courtroom courtroom Charles tried to disrupt the trial with a variety of antics including carving a small X. in his forehead just above his eyebrows he arrange for a family member to pass out a written statement outside the courthouse it read I have exed myself from your world? No Man or lawyer lawyer is speaking for me. I speak for myself. I am not allowed to speak with words so I have spoken with the Mark I will be wearing on my forehead forehead after he did this. The family woman appeared at the courthouse with X.'s gouged into their foreheads but the trial move forward as scheduled on March twenty ninth nineteen seventy one the jury returned a guilty verdict Charles Manson and Susan Atkins at Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten were sentenced to die in the Gas Chamber Tex Watson had a separate retrial was convicted in October of nineteen seventy one and also sentenced to death but before these sentences were carried readout California's Supreme Court voted to abolish the death penalty in nineteen seventy two Charles remained infamous in prison attracting attracting notoriety in part due to the devotion of his followers in nineteen seventy five family member Lynette squeaky Kief Romi attempted to assassinate President Gerald Ford Secret Service tackled her before she could shoot Charles might not have ordered himself but many speculate that Lynette did it to impress him. She was sentenced to life in prison for the assassination attempt and paroled in two two thousand nine in recent two thousand nineteen interview. She confessed that she was still in love with Manson other followers. I did not remain faithful. Susan Atkins eventually renounced Charles and converted to Christianity. She died of cancer in two thousand eight after nearly three decades in prison Tex Watson Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten have also expressed the repudiation of Charles Charles they remain in prison today and have so far been denied parole. Charles Manson died in prison and two thousand thousand seventeen at the age of eighty three but fifty years after the Manson families crimes people remain fascinated by the colts legacy. The Manson family came together at the height of a counterculture movement that encourage young people to reject convention question authority and an embrace the ideals of peace and love Charles Manson's brutal crimes effectively destroyed the spirit of the sixties as a world came came to associate the hippie lifestyle with the wave of crime and violence but if Charles Life shows anything it's that he did not need a Hippie ideology ideology or political agenda to inspire him to violence his militias behavior began long before the nineteen sixties Charles's cousin Joanne told the following story six years old first grade. He talked the girls in his class into to beating up other boys. He doesn't like then when the principal comes to ask Charlie. Why did you do that Charlie's responses? It wasn't me they were doing what they wanted. You can't blame me for that. Thirty years later he'd use the same defense with a new group of girls. Thanks again N. for tuning into our crimes of passion summer of sixty nine special if you enjoyed this episode checkout podcasts continued retrospective into the summer of Sixty Jeanine from July twenty second through August ninth the summer of Sixty Nine will feature twenty three special episodes across sixteen different podcasts covering everything from Vietnam War protests to the Zodiac killer. We'll be back with a new episode of crimes of passion next week. If you're interested in learning more about the summer of sixty nine be sure to check out our new are cast presents feed on spotify or anywhere you listen to podcasts several of you have ask how to help us if you enjoy the show. The best way to help is still leave a five star review and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at podcast cast and twitter at podcast network. We'll see you next time when true love meets to crime crimes of passion was created by Max Cutler is a production of cutler media in this part of the podcast network. It is produced by Maxon Ron Cutler with sound design by Russell Nash Production Assistance by Ron Shapiro and Paul Moller additional production assistance by Maggie admire and Freddie Beckley crimes of passion is written by Christina Panties. I'm leaning Hobbs now that this episode has finished. Here's the clip of our first episode of the park cast original con artists. It's about Bernie madoff a top Wall Street market maker who operated an elaborate Ponzi scheme and conned thousands of clients out of almost sixty five billion dollars search for and subscribe to con artist on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts or visit podcast dot com slash con artists to listen

Martha Papa Charles Charles Manson Tex Watson Susa Gary Hinman murder Susan Atkins Gary Henman Charles Tex Linda Bobby Beausoleil Charles Charlie Sharon Tate Bobby beausoleil bobby Charles Lecture Charles Charles Charles Stole Rosemary Charles Guidance Leslie Van Houten
S05 Episode 5 Extra: Coming Down Fast

Unexplained

13:43 min | 8 months ago

S05 Episode 5 Extra: Coming Down Fast

"Welcome to unexplained extra with being richard mclean smith with of the weeks. In between episodes. We look at stories and ideas that for one reason or other didn't make it into the previous show in the last episode. When love breaks down we followed two young women onto very different paths albeit ones that were destined eventually to collide in devastating and tragic circumstances with all the conflicting testimonies. It isn't known exactly what took place inside. The main house of one hundred fifty cielo drive on the night of august eighth nineteen sixty nine what is known. However is that sometime. Around midnight. Susan atkins patricia krenwinkel and charles tex watson entered the property uninvited while linda sabian remained outside on lookout by the time they left sharon tate. Eight months pregnant at the time. Jc bring abigail forger and vojtech fry kofsky. who was staying with sharon dot night and steven parent. Who'd been visiting the property's caretaker. William garretson in the guesthouse had all been murdered. Though at first tex watson attempted to take responsibility for the murders it was made clear in the subsequent trial that although he may have taken the lead he was far from acting alone. Reports vary as to whether tex murdered sharon tate handedly or whether in fact she was also staffed by susan collins. The killing spree continues the following. Night when watson krenwinkel joined this time by then nineteen year old van houten were ordered by charles manson to kill rosemary lino labianca at the home in las villas in los angeles the tate labianca murders perpetrated by some of the members of the manson family as they have since come to be known occupy a complicated place in the annals of twentieth century culture occurring as they did within the context of the counterculture movement of the time and at the center of it. All of course was charles manson. Although manson didn't take part physically in the killings he was through the influence he exerted on his followers judged by law to have been equally responsible for them. It wasn't a particularly controversial ruling. And certainly few would argue against it. Much less defend manson for his involvement manson has been described as both a psychopath and a sociopath to void of any empathy. For those who harmed whose sole intention was to manipulate and control people for his own deluded ends nonetheless. We are still left. With rather thorny issue of trying to decipher what it was exactly that encouraged so many seemingly ordinary young men and women to perpetrate murder on his behalf it would certainly be faulty to dismiss them. The simply drug adult drifters with psychological problems. Central to manson's power was the landscape and era in which he was operating. The term hippie is largely a pejorative one the goes back to the beat generation a term itself coined by jack kerouac in nineteen forty. Eight as a way to describe the growing anti-conformist creative scene in new york the time as the scene developed and became widely dispersed into mainstream culture. Many of the early beat generation became scornful of the sudden influx of people. Trying to participate in the problem. Being that since the scene was no longer underground it could no longer be anti-conformist. Those who arrived late to the party were in effect deemed to be merely mimicking beat sensibilities as opposed to really embodying. What made the seed in the first place. Hippie was coined by the beach generation to describe anyone who wasn't considered hip enough. Ironically this term later be used by more conservative elements of society as a pejorative to describe anyone they took to be a member of the new. Anti conformist creative movement of the nineteen sixties in effect completely reversing. Its meaning hippie quickly. Became shorthand virtually anyone who didn't readily adopt conservative values and fashion styles. However anyone who might genuinely have considered themselves part of the counterculture movement would rarely use the term preferring instead to describe themselves as freaks or children of love. The central tenet of that counterculture fostered in the commune's and collectives haight-ashbury and panga canyon was the rejection of the stale richard norms of society. It encouraged people to be open to who or what they could be and to remove all inhibitions and worries about how others might perceive them but also not to be coerced into having to be a certain way just for the comfort of others. It was a movement that also rejected notions of property and possession where everyone and everything was free and equal such things. They believed encouraged depression and competition and ultimately violence things that destroyed humanity rather than enriched it with manson actually believed the things he said was merely exploiting the philosophies of the culture much what he said and claim to stand for it could be argued wasn't wholly reprehensible to all intents and purposes anyone traveling to san francisco to take part in the summer of love would have struggled to i two separate man's ideas from the real thing by way of example manson's testimony at his trial makes for some uncomfortable reading as he said. Then i never went to school. So i never growed up to read and write too good so i have stayed in jail and i've have stupid and i stayed at child while i've watched your world grow up and then i look at the things you do and i don't understand you eat meat and you kill things the top better than you are and then you say how bad and even kill is your children. Are you made your children what they are these children. Come at you with knives there your children you taught them. I didn't teach them. I just try to help them. Stand up most of the people at the ranch that you call the family which just people that you did not want. much of. Man's proselytizing was directed towards society at large. And it's inherent hypocrisies. How was it. He reasoned that he could be branded a murderer. While someone like president. Nixon with free to lead the most powerful country in the world while simultaneously. Be sending america's children off to die in vietnam for caused at many to not support therefore also contributing to the deaths of hundreds and thousands of vietnamese or as manson said. I know this the ten your hearts and your souls. You are as much responsible for the vietnam war as i am the killing these people. I can't judge any of you. I have no malice against you know ribbons for you. But i think that it is high time that you all start looking at yourselves. And judging the lie that you live in none of which is by any means an attempt to justify what manson and his followers did but rather to ask what is one guilty of that. The other is not imbedded. Also manson's words is another uncomfortable truth about just what it means to be human to human is to be both love and hate good and evil whatever we take those terms to mean whether or not we consider ourselves to be practitioners of nefarious deeds. We cannot escape the reality that we ought to consider ourselves part of a collective human species we have to also accept that any action perpetrated by human being is in a sense perpetrated by us. We cannot pick and choose what we do and don't want to be considered human within that is perversely a logical extension of the peace and love philosophy of sixties counterculture. In which we are encouraged to look beyond the boundary of ego and self in order to recognize the tweets all one and the same with everything in the universe. It is precisely this idea. Catalyzed by the use of hallucinogenic drugs like lsd. That led manson's followers into a state whereby they no longer recognize the people they were murdering as being individuals. Since i was one and the ego and self which has delusions what is left to actually kill for many. It is this that is the ultimate horror of the manson family murders for the true horror of having to confront any kind of such fanatical reasoning for that matter for if that person no longer occupies the same reality that you do. There is no knowing. Just watt they might be capable of bad screaming for help. And here's going for help. And then texts came and helped me and i was left to sit and watch her and take at about that time i can remember syms people scattering in different places and running into complex and obviously sitting with eight and she was talking to me and i remember that i had absolutely i could have. I felt i felt absolutely nothing for her. She for her life for the last three baby. And i remember when we first went in. What are the people said. Who are texan on the devil on here to do the devil's business. I remember that in my conscience. It's so alive me from just recalling. I remember that. I had gone so far. There's no turn back. Even if i had wanted to run even if i wanted delete i couldn't i was like oh caught in something that i had no control over. I'd absolutely no say so as to what was happening now was just like cool hands. I can put it. If you enjoy unexplained him would like to help support his. You can now do so far. A patriot to receive access to add free episodes discount on merchandise as well as brand new video and audio content exclusive to patriot members. Just go to patron dot com forward slash unexplained pot to sign up. Or if you'd like to make a one time donation you can go to unexplained podcasts dot com forward slash support all donations no matter how large or small a great appreciated unexplained the book and audio book featuring ten stories took never before being covered on. The show is now available to buy worldwide. You can purchase through amazon bonds and noble and waterstones among other bookstores all elements of unexplained including the show's music produced by me. Richard mclean smith. Please subscribe and the show wherever you listen to podcasts. And feel free to get in touch with any thoughts or ideas regarding the stories you've heard on the show. Perhaps you have an explanation of your own. You'd like to share. You can reach us. Online at unexplained podcast dot com or twitter at unexplained pot and facebook at facebookcom forward slash unexplained. Podcast do you need something to listen to next. We'll check out this other show from cast media. Hi everyone i'm christine. And and where the coast of and that's why we drink. If you like spooky ghost stories called cases alien abductions serial killers conspiracy theories or even boxed wine than you are gonna love. And that's why we drink we cover stories like the black eyed kids. Jeffrey dahmer the amityville house in also some very demonic dolls that we're not going to name here because they will actually make you ill if you hear their names plus we have a slew of characters who have become mascots for a show that you will fall deeply in love with just like i have or fall deeply in hatred with like i have One of them is literally dehydrated. Lemon that we found an airbnb and now all of our listeners absolutely bonkers for this goddamn lemon download. And that's why we drink wherever you get your podcasts. The world is a scary place. And that's why we drink.

manson tex watson William garretson sharon tate richard mclean Susan atkins patricia krenwinkel linda sabian abigail forger vojtech fry kofsky steven parent watson krenwinkel nineteen year rosemary lino labianca las villas tate labianca panga canyon van houten susan collins Eight months
AHB Returns With An Upgrade!

Rap It Out

48:45 min | Last month

AHB Returns With An Upgrade!

"Hey everybody it's good to see you all again. This segment is just to candlelight. You guys know what is going on episode. So in this episode there is a situation Towards the and or anywhere in this episode there is a blank the me. There's no sound coming in the episode and you might think is your hall. That is my fault. You can blame me. Say it was my fault. Because that is editing problem. And that's because of recording recording for them at us if that happens to be in the in the episode events in it Where you need to do is just disregarded. don't worry about it. continues leg. That rig considering like a break considerate lake. We're taking a five minute break. Ferret like that so we now no need to worry. Sure you guys enjoyed the episode enjoy. What's in it and y'all have a good one and joy really enjoy it and half fun. Please disregard the blank america. the breaks up guys enjoys. Thank you guys. Were understanding every cooperation. Hey everybody gets to see again array of a today maybe a sweet and nice link that got a guest. I had a while back. he's back. Hp backout they hang low there another time another day You know. I'm as lasted. I've seen so time for our Cpr introduction guy rap name. Is hp my real name h. Be i mean. I'm stupid and my real name's anthony. I've been using that name for so long. I literally now say that. I may be but i'm thirteen now. The last time we did a thing. I was eleven on the on law. You need to know about me. Is that i'm one of those represent comando like i go on break because unusually going breaks usually in from family like the reason why went off like a week or two ago because my dog passed away in a lot of kobe of I found out that. I shouldn't be leaving route pad because rap is how i relax in. It's just time or you just lot. So i just one think. Now look at your wall. Most of the time he someone tex watson's stupid crap don't focus on it just like like. Oh okay nothing bumping against it's something against me but i can deal with it if it's something where they're going a little too far then you might want to like take a chill thing right now. I'm not saying the bracelet. Chill type of home. How would put a chill relaxed time for like an hour. Think about so what is it like. Think about what is this guy gaining from saying this. If he's gaining nothing in egypt saying it then just don't worry about it. he's gaining. it's because he wants to give upper hand in in your mind then. Okay but i've not the one that makes the decisions for you but for me. That's what i'd be doing as nice science. Eleborate said all right. Let's see and try and Talking like this of a Since you've been away i gotta access for. Do you have any new projects in the way. Like exactly working on musical is right now. Well i'm just going to say there. There is My album which comes out soon soon I'm there's one. I'm releasing that when i feel like time is right but you can actually go on my thing right now in. Just look at it these. I have a couple of tracks on honor and then walked but five more tracks will be hired to their soon. There's another album. Coming out soon. But i will not go into the named the release date or when or win. I will arm. Keller about it like so far. Let's just say that it's gonna be very lyrical and very overwhelming. I say very bad for you. I'm so apparent who keep be up to grind line. I mean look to embraced have It's called for only been on the site for way too long. You learn some new tricks. being. I've been over ear This year will have to and it's very shocking to even think about a almost two years while is flew by its greatly spile Aside from the Let's talk about Just before we get to music issuing a rep padded cell. 'cause like allow charles happening to you while you were there. So how is this year. America different from the first time you joined it last year. Have trolls a lot more trolls. I walked trolls. They're nice very nice. They give me a warm feeling inside like they just. They can say whatever they want. I'm just going to say i love you too. Because that's what they're saying saying that they are gonna talk trash because they know they know you're good or they're trying to gain something by mashing up your day like how i said before and then and then what my other thing not. Many people are putting in the work on the on the lyrical side. When i i look at several reps more time i see people just rhyming in. That's it driving good. If you're just starting out inauguration okay rhyming is the but if you've been there for ono like a year you're not you're just rining. I think you should put in more effort in your lyrics. I totally agree. And every day. I give feedback on music so i definitely feel you in that whole thing all right. Let's move aside. Ratpac is giving me a sick feeling. Okay can you blame me though. I can't being very year sometimes. The website gives you just a sick feeling like you. Just wanna leave 'cause really annoying and it's really just sick. I i can agree. I love about the grind. And i love during the side project because it helps me feel better just like how makes you. This is he feel better. I love it for asking my brother. I'm freaking matt in. We'll talking about this. He makes me feel more comfortable talking about the rap Fees that's what will i don't. I don't really talk about the pension because of reasons. I've been through a lot on the site just to see that people have no heart very hard to see it and that people are being that are acting stupid. And don't know what like well you gonna dinner what's going to happen. You're gonna make the other person angry. And then they're gonna get in your the feud either going to become like a see they're gonna go to extent where where you guys are ruining each other's lives and which is not to the want that but you're forcing the happen and the other thing is going to the extent worship might die. Yeah against. I blame delivery. I to kill autism s- going to talker on trying to get my head straight. Let's see let's say let's say alabama this new strategy by the way Silence doing this Let's see I don't know i had to before. And it's kinda hard to think of a question. 'cause like i i have you before and i kind of already know about you in the only i can't think of anything Twist me anything but see. They're not gonna do that are you. Know there's always a quiet. There's always questions what is also always answers While i'm trying to think of something let me go with this that anything. You want your There to know about you anything else. He wants to without incident by you or your music or anything like that. Don't be a troll I call them. Gen z babies because the people that are mature and stuff are called the gen z mature of gen z adults while the people that act stupid retarded are the gen z babies. I call them icing I've never heard that long. That's name okay. Thanks you like Rap like that I also wanna go into your music. You're one of the wires i love. You know we collaborated in awhile. Back is nice. And i got feedback from you and i get you bag and but i wanna kind go to your music. A little deeper of Is a new thing. I'm gonna go inside your head just a few things about your music. And your insight introspective by the so on. How would you like what's process like. Listen to other options. I just listen to other rap songs. I like think about what single only be like an extra ramp me in. I think about the tempo of the song. I'm like if i do i i like it. He what the sun in. If i don't like it then i will go to another song. But if i like the song i will keep with the song and then i go with does have a good beat. Was it in if it does. I'll try like recreate it is. I've been making a lot of beats recently and recreating them like. I did on a form which that wrap will come soon on. And then i go through the process of where i where the process of. What should my lyrics be. So i can sit in my tune shit here to train. Just think about like. I'm like i'm rapping in my head in the just thinking about what rhymes with bars. I want to say. I had following the. How got the music that you create rope. I've been through a lot of stages recently one my first stage ones like an. Nf type thing on my second stage. Was i'm like i kamikaze type of stuff. I didn't like that stage at all. I it's not. I don't fit there. I'm sorry i can make discharge. I don't fit in that. Kamikaze tempo where i go. After every single person that said something and i just say i shouldn't be doing that music to saying i'm desperate and i'm giving all the gen z babies. What they want and And then i went through the. I'm gonna do a little bit of both where i do. Both like an f. in like kamikaze style tried that and then now the stage. I'm going through right now is like just going back to. Nf style in hat putting a little bit of busta rhymes in little wing type of stuff All right i see. I see all right. Let's see okay. I think he talked about those. Ob you're doing cooperation. Well now it's different definitely. I'm a different one. I can do rap in on realize to realize from rely phone court Now i pick option in. I started again in hops in a little bit over my own breaks enough. Because i've been with i've been i used his style a lot in my rat. In i feel like that. I we would actually relate a little bit but we're not relatable but we can be reliable and then we cannot be reliable in certain aspects and then on rap pant. I really don't have any more. I've already been through. Who i wanted to be with great record like you in on age. E i've been through several crab collaborations and then a lot of Make because i i. I rather forget them you. I didn't like them at all. They weren't my type of style I am on the bridge club with the old ones you clog with again. You get you a collaboration soon. Adhd and i are making a song next week and Another one will come out with one of my friends very soon slave sleep. That's good to hear. I had killed this up and other access in you may or may not have a good answer but Can you free style. This isn't opinion question. This is not gonna lead to. Anything doesn't opinion question of because i i when i'm not thinking about it i i think about it herself. I think i'm sound like biden. Right now but i think about it in first off i think of a beat that i would like dada dada dada and then i try to get on tempo in i just like mumble it over my lip This what i'm saying off with. Barnes style bar style. It's okay in. Ann rimes i can. I'm gonna sound like an absolute idiot trying to say like one of the dying like then i'm just gonna be like They thought you said i'm gonna try this Contacts them thing though the game the game. And it's a free game i played this some rappers that free throw but the one. Because i'm going to give you a wear a you gotta phrase thou making who say day or thing for me. Think appreciates distinctive instrumental. But this game is to while rappers can freestyles of getting. You wanna come to my birthday party. But you're not no cardi but you want to work you need like you're gonna ruin. You gave me one of those words that because every single ryan has to be like birth birthday. And i'm not saying everyone will day bomb also have to think about where i can. Just what brand with burson than what. You're thinking okay tough. Let me have another I know adventure. Want you get ready. Okay your whole life is adventure when he goes through me. It's like a d life launcher but you keep going through the rhymes when he came even fit like a boston her. My god yup. I'm not that it's a. It's always when i think about it but it's weird. It's very weird. What i do. It's like i think about the instrumental. And then i'm like than a than another a and then my in. Why speak it out loud. I just don't eat when i. I'm like mumbling. It actually sounds right in the correctly. We'll wind feeling I can't say. I can't say i don't agree because i've met people in that time at people like that. Four people i can name. That can freecell a lot better than me by pot again that joan. I'm working on it. That's good that's good. We'll stop the game. Let's see back to the actual action. Hey ever gone. Through a writer's block times two times one was recently. But that's fixed these that song out right now and The other one was like the other. The other recent one was about like a month and i would dispatch insular. You're still running districts. Don't change my old when someone talk some trash about me and my dog. It's kind of not right so i agree with you. I mean you remember the this tag human. Kate rally that allow a h o mean cade Valley orient him. And i are fine. That's i'm fine with him. he's a g. were both jesus. And i have so much respect for him. He gives me hope you. We shared a lot of similar aspects of each other so very similar you guys could will be like siblings almost you and the other one we Other on your way. That's on my pad. Yeah he could be your by the to. Y'all could be like that. I'm having beef with hunters so far. That's too i'm having the visas for been having this be for like i don't know how long it's been a while. Part the reason. Why not any other. I went my friend my other i just had a rep had died. Get only of zoom. He she invited me to zoom call. And i think that for a little bit talked and then i had to go to my friends. Washable when my flesh on donna come back and then i see more messages about number. One one of the national was. I m h o which i don't know she's like in she said in he or she. I don't even know if it's actually him. But having the i'm still having discussion with him and then he saying that in an e saying that ally don't know i don't know he's acting very Very suspicious i wanna know and then they seen Name before in now. And then. I saw that reach be is a liar liar that his dog did not die. He is making a lot so in a lot of other stuff. And i i could that i was gonna release his song that day in that just ruined my day. I didn't wanna see that. And then when i did that day was i made an instrumental which is on there and then i may cover just in case this is just in case. This is him in then. If it's not him than i will not release the track but right now. It's paul going to happen if he doesn't admit it it's going to happen. But if he swears it's not a real a zoom meeting. Then not release it. I see. i'm saying hate these thieves areso. I have been having fused for a while. I think he's been like three months months. Aw terrible same feud it's the last one was copying people in i should i. That was one thousand life stage. Where i didn't like that stage and i was my fault for bringing up that leaf but this phone is a little different. When you're talking about my deceased dog that i walked die in a room. That's not right. Totally can see why that this was deserve. All right all right from that has rarely getting in the way workplace. We gotta deal with it. Probably the dog place on the web. No offence to anyone but it might be the darkest. I can't think of anything more toxic than that corey okay. Discord is not. It's not going to the only server servers in. I've been an active lines. I'm in deadlines. There's several that is a lot of dead one three now still and i would. I want more rap pads servers They're dying quickly. I just really enjoy Talking with other rappers and giving their opinion and then learning new things like the. Bi will be server on thinking about becoming a rapper. That soon. Because i feel like i can do goodson against that and it's all about learning so when you weren't go through that process i go through the process and then you get into it and then you just think to yourself. Which should i do hear what. What would be good to wrap route if i do right than on good but still a lot of things if i do wrong. I'm just learning from the mistake that i just made. I see speaking be wildly really. Want to be about a wrapper unreal. I i'm thinking about it now right now at this second. He's not in that loaded right now. Oh i will say. I'm thinking about doing it like in the next three months Got me excited. So you wanna battle w. fighting right time for some more fun this time it actually the thing even thinking about remember last time where you have to do something special at the end. I don't know if i even did anything young. Well you'll have to do it again. Another fs Rappers a singer. The musicians and producers gannex option in rapid is a free style. Or whatever freecell teaser version. You made than i say from wine enough one of my phone say you guys are not styling again. Make another fool out of myself night it. Okay so we're online. Say faster from not to remix with me and young. Show your adhd on. This is my most pop song in like the twelfth fish song on rat pads so far in on very happy that this is larry in. But it's not all about the themes novel taller is about how good how good you are in how much time you put in. Do you like doing what you're doing. So here's my lyrics. This is the first part My throat is like having worlds as we're gonna work Rapid for you put that penicillin in me. Like you'll benadryl put me sleep. Like a villain. Hope choking like he was a game. Do it like the big ten years. We claim that twenty twenty one will be the year campaign but we need to realize the game. Wolverine put through the x. Files like projectile this rapid like a missile motion. Sorry about running your vision like it was a nixon. it was like a watergate. Chardonnay it was like chucky asking one or play tampa on day. This like a dj just on display someday not today will obey koby like it was midway but the decay under the ridgeway. Like how one time betray be onsite. When will it be as time. Oh now i can. Yes that's just a little line there. But i have more which i'm gonna do right now. I'm just saying that lying. There was this part of their up. You thought you thought that he thought that was it. My little pony When you like horny when you're forty you said that was all for me. no For freaky she. Three mafia placebo would think that i copied from track the white or i'm trapped in a hole. It'd be called the misfit. If it was like a one time comes out with a track. The dish would miss. And we'll do it faster than your dick height alright. It was like a fight that lit up the night. Like fake crip. Nick one off me it. Five smith since smells like woke from smells fly ball. Clean it up with some lysol into some of the nihil when you say stuff. They're not insightful. All it is the cycle his rifle in the title. Not bad not bad. There's a lot of bars there that a lot of people are like some people understand like trump. He will play tampon date. Like i'm gonna explain that one on that one is actually tampa bay buccaneers. We won the super bowl. I live in tampa bay and Chucky back in two thousand and two they won the super bowl and truckee was the coaches but as the nickname for him. But you bust on not bad. Not bad bad at the long as we collaborated year. It's been like a year or seven months one of those in a while we should be your show I should have to songs by next week on me in a club and then my friend will club with me and then i'll do one with you in over the weekend right. Now i'm gonna do like what did frigging mix tape where i have several rappers on on track instead of just myself. I also that on. I can't always always. Sometimes you have to ask for help when you need it but sometimes you don't need to because you're just not putting in work to wanna learn it. You just say. I need help in. They're just gonna help you with in life. It's not like you earned it I'm joe biden to the max right now holy crap and not trying to be politics care but how. He speaks stuttering thing. I have shuddering problem as well. I had a problem back when i was in pre k. A massive item massive thing. I have a list. I had a whisper as well but I still have it to this day. But it's better than it was. I just have to get better on it so not like you like. It may manage social include. Done this before you can see other. This is a new thing doing since the last night over here on june I'm doing on the end credits. Where this is your chance to shadow. Riding while last words Any advice to give out young lucifer No young shady xia. We've been through a couple of things with them. That one dish track that. I don't feel like should've been good. You know it's on three of seven. Which i'm now a part of because on what might be like you're stupid. You join something that you literally dish but the problem is i didn't like out there at the time and that's why this them because i like the people there that they weren't they were good rappers. A Were not good and then they were acting like a fool in that message that i sent from the district was just you need to get your on acquiring better because you don't wanna deal with trolls in your clan but i'm no part of it and i'm actually happy because i'm back where i started in that's were i really did really good when i was right or i wanted to be on the other thing is i will be back. I'll be manek's track will be next week on wednesday wednesday or thursday in shutouts to buy last member each. I hope you'll look at this in that we can have a talk about what's been going on recently between you and i i kind of want settle this but we want to also if we do if you say sorry a lot of things about what you said then i won't release it I can just release it so we can have like a fun battle instead of like a serious serious battle and that's all well there. Well day antibody that to said y'all there you know. Get show spells media all day today. Or it's all just is google podcasts. And rapid out them off doing that. Why is it. Sounds like it's seinfeld episode. But the is if in seinfeld like that rosie was decades ago. So that's a decade ago. I watched that now on on thirteen in people like your old man old man. Frigging watching seinfeld. I enjoy. i'd like the laughter. It makes me night that there's something that's actually relaxed in not crazy. The say never watched that even multiple times but never got a chance to watch Just yeah i will tend to it after i go through my long list. Which by the way for my other episode. i. I have a long list. Every artists had told me their inspiration. They told me go train collab- and all the artists. I gotta check out. I didn't even have to do any of that. Because that's already been done. Is this the first. Rerun re person reappearing of a person. This i think i watched one word. Another person reappeared. What yeah ubt leaper of. No you be deeper. He he was in the In the first episode we did where we did like a lot of people and then he came back there supper. Lemme to report suggested g. Don't mess with that. How no good rappers. And he's one of them or good one some jacker. Jcs how i call him. Don't him either. Like don't don't mess with geez because you're gonna get absolutely smacked by them and then you're going to be like what how you salk. You'll you're bad but really you're the one that's not you for your the one that's bad and then you need to learn. That don't mean people that are higher head. It's like don't mess. Don't hurt elders or don't mess with elders. Respect your elders specter hours and so being very aggressive. Yusaku your old rapper. You don't know what you're doing. Well i swat knowing the reality. They know what they're doing. It's you don't know what you're doing it. That's what i did back in my first week. I may distract on gac. And you didn't respond. I just felt like a fool. Because i'm still at that point. I was really stupid. And i acted like how people would be like now. It's got the best idea to act like that. And even on. Jackie also made by the parent. Says i don't know if you saw i've been keeping up with this inspire humanity abides i. I'm i'm like inspired by the lot because this man been you've been on rap passing for a long long time. Sorry to youtube been. He made some fire fire and then he still makes them trucks now everything. He is the beat lineup. The instrumental lineup the call where he has cover art. It just like an actual rapper. But he is one. And that's what i like. Is that people what he's putting in the work to be actual rapper and trying his hardest to do every all this stuff. That's what i feel like own. He's going to probably be the next on minez. Immunex those to organize be the next big record. Maybe not because he's very active any didn't have the may music For like a year now but have you heard debut ayob Chance doing you know why. Why is unexcused adopt. Because i hate. It says that so much has happened. I never got time to. I can send you latte like it's who he's been he's he's keeping up he just hasn't been on making Like what jaycees. Doing in my opinion if xy started doing that i think a lot happen in rapid community In my opinion. I think would skyrocket if we have so many people that are actually trying in. They're actually doing their hardest. Doing what they love in actually being like trying in not being like certain other people that are just leaving it alone. Not doing anything about it and just be like. Oh i'm a rapper. Even though i don't make any music or anything. I can be on this rep head website. Do best i can. I am the best rapper ever on this thing. No you're not your whole the whole point of a lot of this. Is you to be that rapper. Change everything to change. That's the person that changes everything in. That's what makes that person would probably best of all time thanks. I stay revolutionaries in you'll like stalin. You know all these other russian no. I mean revolutionaries as in good revolutionaries and revolutionaries totally agree with your point on boy. I think he is returning in and give a big thanks to you for coming back and taking your time to do these to do this. Saturdays are always the day. Were i literally nothing because i need a relax and take a chill pill after flicking eighth grade. It's saying totally p. One hundred percent needs a break sometimes. Fine got more about you and you richard. Since the last time you know as eleven known not two years and that's very good change just lot of speaking still happening but that's mostly because of more covert recently. It's very hard to speak about. Certain stuff i will speak about anyway. It's like ptsd but now you can you. Can you can live with it. You just have to deal with more yup and until next time. Y'all and i'm going to say music for elbow all's He's gonna go the house he's going to no. I never said that no now. He said that. Whoever doesn't surf music he's go. He's going to you nets exactly exactly what a great what a great ending of this just just gain inches on a gain and we need the game but either way i will come bill in. They will come abedin's but this is us. Ms ferraro on fair. Scientists do amazing any needs to revenue make revenue authorised e. Count zero cents. A pound than yeah. That's a great revenue zero cents a pound like every every follow. I gained zero sent in. That is very a lot you know. How much is in my bank. Account you sense. Oh god payments. I'm old but anyways so next time they ain't gonna returning it. See you guys very thin piece.

tex watson Eleborate Ratpac dada dada Ann rimes america corey okay Keller burson anthony cardi Hp hp egypt autism charles alabama biden matt Barnes
Charles Manson Pt. 1: Killer Charisma

Crimes of Passion

50:49 min | 2 years ago

Charles Manson Pt. 1: Killer Charisma

"Due to the graphic nature of this families crimes listener discretion is advised this episode includes discussions of murder sexual assault drug use and violence that some people may find offensive. We we advise extreme caution for children under the age of thirteen most days Tex Watson didn't have a care in the world he had Charlie to tell him what to do and Charlie knew everything everything so texts never had a worry about whether he was making the right choice or of a wrong one techs also had access to a steady stream of marijuana and l._S._d.. Charlie encouraged it which meant that at the drugs or good but techs had curiosities about heavier things too so and it was offered by Charlie he readily swallowed a chunk of Bella Donna route but the trip didn't relax him or open his mind mind instead he felt unhinged filled with panic paranoia and anger all of his senses seem distorted. He couldn't be sure of what he was seeing or feeling. It was the middle of the day darkness enveloped him. It was us if a malevolent evil was trying to warm its way into his body techs. Let the evil in there was nothing he could do to resist it. He began to lose consciousness. He could only hope that when he woke up it would feel normal again but it was a dim. Hope Tech suspected that he had changed himself. Irrevocably the evil was part of him. Now Hi I'm Lena Hobbs and this is crimes of passion apar- cast past original the legal definition of a crime of passion is a violent crime that occurs in the throes of extreme emotion leaving no time to reflect on the consequences but in this show we explore passionate crimes how does a marriage progress from husband and wife to killer and victim or killer and Co Conspirator. If there's a thin line between love and hate what manipulates our relationships and a deadly results in this episode will explore how Charles Created the group known as the Manson family how they began as a strange but seemingly benign group of outcasts and how they transformed into a ruthless band of criminals next week we'll discuss the infamous murders the group carried out the police investigations and the trials that follow their crime spree. This episode is art of Park has summer of sixty nine event July twenty the second through August ninth. All your favorite park cash shows are teaming up to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary of a landmark summer in American history. The summer of Nineteen sixty-nine from the Manson murders to the moon landing ending where diving deep into the summer America hit a boiling point with twenty three special episodes across sixteen different are cast originals. We'll be digging into the fallout of M._l._K.'s assassination a wide eight reaching l._S._d.. Colt and rumors of a Kennedy family cover up you can find these specials and more all in our new parkas presents feed on spotify or anywhere you listen to podcasts at podcast. We are grateful eightfold for you our listeners you allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing. Reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at Park has network several of you have asked how to help us if you enjoy today's episode US owed the best way to help us to leave a five star review where ever you're listening it really does help few names in history carry the as much notoriety as Charles Manson's when he died in two thousand seventeen after spending nearly fifty years in prison news of his passing made international headlines from what we know about Manson. That's that's exactly what he would've wanted. From the time he was a young man. Charles Manson creeped fame and attention initially he believed his celebrity would come from being the world's biggest rockstar Baker than his idols. The the Beatles instead he was notorious for orchestrating some of the most heinous murders in American history but it wasn't just his crimes that drew infamy it was his ability to attract a loyal cult of followers. I who were so devoted they were willing to kill for him. Charles Mills Manson born in November of nineteen thirty four was without a family for most of his life in many ways. The creation of his cult following was determined many years before he found his way to Haight Ashbury his mother fifteen year old Kathleen Maddix was never married to Charles is biological father any me subsequent relationships didn't last for long Charles was shuttled between his grandmother and his aunt as Kathleen tried to find her footing. When Charles was only five Kathleen was sent to prison for stealing a car and and he was into live with family and McMechan West Virginia his aunt and Uncle Glenna and Bill Thomas Remember Charles is three year? Stay as difficult time for their family. Charles was impervious to punishment his uncle. Go Bill said that he acted however he wanted and no threat of a whipping could make him behave before a continue with Charles's psychology. Please note that I am not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist but they have done a lot of research for this show. The Thomas's memories of Charles reveal a pattern of antisocial behavior often used to diagnose conduct disorders in children. The diagnostic and statistical manual of of mental disorders notes that problem behaviors may start as young as the age of three these children often show defiance towards adults lay mothers for things that have gone wrong and provoke others Charles displayed did all of these tendencies during his time in McMechan. Perhaps most frightening was Charles's obsession with knives. His cousin Joanne recalled a terrifying instance when she was left in charge of seven year old Charles Girls he was pestering Joanne as she cleaned the house so she sent him outside moments later she looked up to see Charles standing on the other side of the screen door wielding a sickle he'd found in the yard slashing being at the screen. His expression was so deranged Joanne thought he might have killed her if our parents had an returned just then to stop him when Charles is mother Kathleen was paroled in nineteen forty to the Thomas's were glad to return seven-year-old Charles tour but his defiant behavior continued Charles skip school shoplifted and light about it he was never ashamed and never repented for his bad behavior the D._S._M.. Five noted that between the ages of Seven and eleven antisocial behaviors intensify in children with conduct disorders at this age the children are more prone to lying stealing langer and rule-breaking as they gain more independence from their caretakers. Kathleen hoped a firmer hand might straighten Charles out so in nineteen forty seven when Charles was twelve Kathleen sent him to the ball school. Oh for boys a boarding school for male delinquent and Terre Haute Indiana he ran away from Jabal the next year in nineteen forty eight within weeks he was caught burglarizing stores in Indianapolis the Annapolis and was sent to a juvenile facility in Omaha Nebraska. It started a pattern of incarceration escape and reincarceration throughout nineteen forty seven and nineteen fifty four Charles was placed Austin and escaped from a reform school in Indiana the National Training School for boys in Washington D._C.. And finally a maximum security prison and chillicothe the Ohio he was always recaptured as a result of escalating criminal behavior such a stealing cars and armed robbery Charles fits the textbook pattern of antisocial behaviors typical of childhood conduct disorders the D._S._M. Five states that adolescents are likely to intensify their rule breaking through truancy running away assault robbery vandalism and stealing cars medical professionals note that a high proportion of children and young people with conduct disorders grow up to be antisocial adults Charles was by no means reformed but he managed to get his worst impulses under control at chillicothe -I he was released in the spring of Nineteen fifty four at the age of nineteen. Surprisingly he returned to McMechan West Virginia to live with his aunt uncle and grandmother his mother Kathleen had remarried and Charles didn't like her new husband and his grandmother's request Charles regularly attended church he wasn't a believer but he enjoyed several Bible passages especially in the book of revelation and he committed many to memory but his time outside of institutions was short-lived in nineteen fifty five Charles Stole a car and drove to Los Angeles to see Kathleen he was promptly arrested by police officer who suspicions were raised by the out out of state license plate in April of Nineteen fifty six Charles was sentenced to serve three years at San Pedro's Terminal Island Penitentiary in Los Angeles Harbor in Prison Charles encountered all types of lawbreakers but he seemed most enamored with the pimps he was enthralled by their stories of seducing young vulnerable women and turning them into obedience sex workers they explain how to pick out women with low self esteem separate them from friends and family and finally alternate between showing the women affection and violence this combination of love and fear where powerful tools to exercise control over their victims Charles like the idea of exert control over people. This may be why he enrolled in a prison course based on Dale Carnegie's bestselling book had a win friends and influence people Charles had never shown shown any aptitude for education before but he excelled in a class that affirmed his instincts for manipulation the most important lesson he gleaned from the course was held a make someone do what you wanted. The trick was to make them think it was their own idea. The research of cognitive psychologists Elizabeth Loftus suggested that it is relatively easy to implant an idea and another person's mind simply asking leading questions can shape another person's response and even create false memories of events Charles was thrilled to learn how susceptible the human mind was to outside influence and how easily he could exploit that twenty-three-year-old Charles was released in September nineteen fifty eight with few job prospects he decided to become a pimp he seduced nineteen year old Leona Ray Musser with the aim of convincing her to intersects work. Art Leona eager to please win along with it until his probation officer caught on Charles was soon back in federal court facing charges but he had Leona by his side. We only had never met anyone like Charlie. When he spoke to her he acted as if she were the only thing that mattered and told her that she was the prettiest girl he'd ever seen? He trusted her and he needed her to look out up for him just like he did for her. How could she not love someone who meet her feel so special and desirable she would do anything for Charlie? Now was her chance to prove it. She thought about what she was going to say to the judge if she could strike the right tone and get the judge on her side she would keep Charlie out of prison and they could stay together and be happy. The courtroom was quiet and everyone was watching her the lawyers the parole officers and Charlie Leona lead Outta quavering cy and began to talk about how she and Charlie were in love and how they were going to get married and then she told the judge that she was pregnant with Charlie's baby. It was a lie but she didn't feel guilty. She was only helping Charlie as she wrapped up her speech Leona. Let here's wall from her is she began to Saab. Charlie said that if she made herself look helpless the judge would take Pity Charlie was right Leonis plaintiffs speech before the court work and the Judge Place Charles on probation rather than sending him back to prison but Charles continued forging checks and pimping out Leona in June of Nineteen Sixty Twenty six-year-old Charles was sentenced to another another ten years in prison during this stint he discovered scientology. He may have been drawn to the way the scientology leaders convince converts to surrender individuality and completely given to the ideology with the explosive arrival of the Beatles in nineteen sixty four Charles also became obsessed with music. He was fascinated by beetle mania more than anything King Charles wanted a legion of admirers to love him as much as the Beatles he had always love listening to the radio as a child. It had an ear for plunking out songs on his aunts piano. He convinced his mother to has sent him. A guitar took music lessons from fellow inmates and performed in prison variety shows other inmates gave lackluster praise calling him a decent singer capable of playing a few cords but Charles was convinced minced he was a genius prison staff encouraged his devotion to music as distracted him from causing trouble on March twenty first nineteen sixty seven thirty two year old Charles Manson was released early from prison but he felt aimless without the constant supervision he'd grown accustomed to after twenty years in and out of various institutions while he mold over his future. He asked his parole officer here for permission to leave Los Angeles he wandered north to Berkeley California in the nineteen sixties. College campuses were exploding in protests against the war racial inequality and social injustice U._C.. Berkeley was at the center of radical protests after nineteen sixty four when students staged free speech demonstration that resulted in nearly eight hundred arrests and attracted the scorn of California Governor Ronald Reagan again at the same time the Haight Ashbury neighborhood and San Francisco was the epicenter of the counterculture movement a place where hippies experimented with drugs free love and communal life both the revolutionaries of Berkeley and the Flower Children of San Francisco received national attention young people everywhere were drawn to the unconventional lifestyle they'd seen on the news or read about in magazines by nineteen sixty seven the bay area was packed with Gurus fractures and revolutionaries and there was no shortage of impressionable young people ready to fall under the influence of an inspiring leader and so when Charles Manson arrived having trained under pimps and scientologists alike is future followers where ripe for the picking. We'll see how Charles collected his first family Lee members after this now back to the story when thirty two year old Charles Manson arrived in San Francisco in nineteen sixty seven the summer of love was in full swing. Everyone who migrated to the city had come with one purpose to learn how to think in a new way Charles was happy to educate them twenty-three-year-old Mary. Brunner was like thousands of other young people who flocked to California for a chance at an exciting new life she worked in the U._C.. Berkeley Library and met Charles while he was hanging out around campus playing guitar. Mary had only recently moved to Berkeley from Wisconsin and she hadn't it yet made any friends upon their first meeting Charles teased her trying to get a rise out of her. Her temper flared until she realized he was purposely trying to goat her then she laughed and Dan dropped her guard Charles coaxed his way into her home and essentially became her freeloading houseguests. Their relationship wasn't immediately sexual but Charles would sometimes bring other women back to her apartment went to sleep with them. Eventually she became jealous of the other women in order to compete for Charles's affections. Mary began to sleep with him to Charles was happy to take Mary to bed though he didn't stop collecting. Electing other women like eighteen year old Lynette Foamy Lynette had a troubled history of drug abuse and self harm. She ran away from home after an argument with her father. Charles was naturally drawn to vulnerable people all he could manipulate women who were desperate to be loved when Charles Sullen net crying on the boardwalk. He stopped and told her she looked like she needed a friend. He easily persuaded her to come back with him to Berkeley Charles now had his second follower. He didn't stop there. Charles picked up another woman Pat Krenwinkel after enticing her away from the home she shared with her drug addicted sister. Then he added twenty year old Susan Atkins whose life had taken a rough turns and she lost her mother to cancer five years prior. The women were thrilled to be part of Charles's grew hat wrote a letter to where father stating that for for the very first time in my like I've found contentment and inner peace Mary Lynette Hat and Susan all projected vulnerabilities that made them susceptible to Charles's influence. Nearly all of them had troubled relationships with their families and Charles validated the anger they felt about their unhappy home lives telling them they were correct to rebel against their parents. Nearly all of them had self esteem issues and Charles told them that they were pretty and desirable. These were women searching for comfort and Charles gave it but their attraction to Charles wasn't just about their own weaknesses as it was also about his magnetism he knew how to turn on the charm and his followers love the way he showered them with compliments. Charles was also older than most of these women by a decade. He used his age as the advantage or training himself as an experienced sage. It was extra flattering to these women that someone they perceived to be so wise was willing to pay attention to them. Charles Philosophies were not particularly really original but he was so charismatic when spouting out a jumble of ideas drawn from the Bible Scientology and Beatles lyrics that people couldn't help listen he spoke with the confidence and authority ready that discouraged anyone from questioning him Charles also had the self-awareness tied some of his negative attributes for example he was vehemently racist but he did not reveal the extent of his racism to the women in his group as far as they could tell Charles's way of life was all about feeling good letting go of inhibitions and pershing bad feelings. Charles told the women in his thrall that no matter what may have happened happened to them before they were special beautiful and blameless innocence. They loved hearing this and they loved him still win. Charles lost his temper are he became violent when he wasn't pleased with the women he might punch them or pool their hair but like many abusers he always knew how to sweet talk them into forgiveness a classic perpetuation of the cycle love abuse this was only heightened by their isolation from other relationships and their dependence on him in the study from Translational Psychiatry Journal Antisocial personality disorder is found in forty two seventy ninety percent of prison populations in Cortex studies review psychologists. John Burke notes that many Colt leaders at the diagnostic criteria for antisocial personality disorder two of the most recognizable traits up the disorder are the desire to control others in a tendency towards a crash in a cult leader revealed these treats by demanding loyalty from followers and by doling out physical punishments to transgressors in the same article Burke described evidence of dependent personality disorder among followers. These individuals are more likely to exhibit depression anxiety and feelings of powerlessness that make them all the more likely to fall under the spell of an authority figure. These dynamics were certainly found within Charles Manson's burgeoning colts in late nineteen sixty seven bolstered by his flock of admirers Charles decided it was time to pursue his is larger ambition of becoming Rockstar. Mary Brunner gave up her apartment in the bay area and the group decided to move to Los Angeles Charles packed his followers into a V._W.. Minibus and set out to become famous in Los Angeles. The group stayed in a home known as the spiral staircase the owner of the house enjoyed being surrounded by interesting transients and he allowed many artists and eccentrics aboard they're here. The group continued to expand they met fourteen year old Diane Lake lived in a nearby commune with her parents. Diane leader wrote that becoming part of the Manson's was like a raindrop joining joining a puddle. I blended in easily my loneliness disappearing Charles used his existing followers to draw in more people were more willing to listen to his ideas. When they saw the he was already surrounded by an enraptured crowd the group swelled to around twenty members mostly women and a few men they increase their numbers and other ways to Mary? Brunner got pregnant and in April of nineteen sixty the eight gave birth to a son Valentine Michael Manson Susan Atkins also became pregnant she would give birth and the fall of that year during the same period the country. Country Roiled with discord be at Phnom War protests dominated the news president Lyndon Johnson announced that he would not seek reelection be assassination of Dr Martin Luther King Junior triggered riots and over one hundred cities but no matter what was happening around him Charles Manson remain myopically fixated on his own destiny his plans got an injection of energy when two of his followers met Beach Boys Drummer Summer Dennis Wilson in Hollywood Wilson invited the young women to his house for milk and cookies and they spent an innocuous afternoon together after their snap Wilson excused himself to go to a recording session and the women left but Charles was thrilled when he heard about the encounter he demanded the women's show him the way back to Wilson's house. When Wilson returned he found Charles and his flock partying in his house Wilson was not WanNa turn down a good time so he let them stay over the next few days Wilson let Charles philosophize to him and found some of his ideas profound mike the Women Charles collected Dennis Wilson struggled with feelings of emptiness and loneliness he had previously sought meaning and transcendental meditation but he was open to anyone who might have some answers and Charles Charles was an expert at convincing people he had wisdom to share for Charles is followers Wilson welcoming them into his home was just another example of their leaders? Magic Charles told them that he could make good things happen just by envisioning them he wanted a music career and a famous musician came into his life in reality he was just manipulating easy targets like Wilson into giving him the things he wanted but to Charles is disciples. It really seemed like he was conjuring. Good fortune out of nothing they saw an almost god-like power and it only made them clean Charles Moore that's summer Wilson introduced Charles goes to some of his industry contacts talent Scout Greg Jacobson and producer Terry Melcher Charles trying to get in there good graces by encouraging them to sleep with their pick of his followers. None of the women men objected as if they had much of choice one of Charles's rules probably borrowed from the pimps was at each woman had to let go of all her inhibitions and have sex with whomever Charles told her a two if she couldn't do that he wasn't interested in keeping her around. If any of the women ever wavered Charles used other pimp tactics he'd guilt them into obeying questioning whether they really he loved him while also instilling fear with the threat of a slap or beating Charles's manipulation tactics worked on both ends Wilson and his frequent visitors Greg Jacobson and Terry Melcher. We're enticed by the offer of unlimited rule free sex and for the next few weeks the family became Wilson semi-permanent Guests Jacobson even flirted with the idea of making documentary film about the group Pope while riding up a film proposal he referred to the group as the Family Charles like the label and the group adopted it Charles now had the attention of a wealthy benefactor and several music music and film industry contacts but as a summer of nineteen sixty eight stretched on Charles still didn't have what he wanted a recording contract Melcher seemed to have the most clout in this area so Charles kept trying to get closer to him he knew Melcher lived in a secluded house on Ceelo drive and he often tried to score an invitation. The melcher always resisted keeping him at arm's length Melcher found Charles Charles off putting he wasn't the kind of person who searched for spiritual advice or metaphysical answers but the Gregarious Dennis Wilson introduced Charles to plenty of other less self-assured people who found Charles Dell's captivating Wilson liked to invite all kinds of people to come hang out at his house even strangers he barely knew twenty one year old Charles Watson was one of these guests Watson was thrilled to be welcomed into the home of a famous musician like Dennis Wilson but he was even more impressed by Charles Manson and his Legion of Obedient Women. The family accepted the young man into their cohort and gave him the nickname techs wchs by the end of the Summer Wilson was tired of financially supporting the family. When the lease on his house ended he moved out and the family had to find new lodgings but family members sandy good had another suggestion for where they could stay? She had a friend who lived on a ranch and seamy valley. The property had once been used as a set and T._v.. Westerns but it was falling into disrepair. Charles convinced the ranch owner Charles Spawn to let his group moved there in exchange for helping the old man with cleaning taking care of horses and whatever upkeep the property required and at the sprawling ranch the family continued to grow the Fall Charles came up with new strict rules to keep them in line for example he forbade the women from carrying money he didn't allow them to read books and he banned watches walks and calendars but his followers were willing to put up with the rigid policies because the family gave them unconditional love and acceptance that they could never find in the harsh outside world and if they didn't follow Charles's rules they'd be kicked out of the family ripped away from that supports stem daily use of drugs like L._S._d.. Also helped keep them docile. David Smith was a physician and addiction expert who founded the Haight Ashbury Free Clinic in northern California in the nineteen sixties Smith met Charles Manson and his followers in nineteen sixty seven while they were in the bay area two years later Smith studied the family at Spahn ranch and even wrote a paper paper on the group in the Journal of Psychedelic drugs prior to the families murder spree in recent years reflecting on the Manson family. Smith has written that we now know that drug infused mind control is a very real phenomenon phenomenon amongst acceptable youths Charles needed to us every tool he had to keep the group's focus and loyalty by the end of nineteen sixty eight he began to see ominous signs all around him his his followers noticed the change in him it had always been a regular ritual for Charles to preach to them through lectures or songs but that winter is daily sermons became less about love and more about the violent downfall of civilization now many of his lectures involved coming race war and which black people would rise up and kill the white population according to Charles it was black people's turn to be in power after years of oppression with these visions of violence Charles instill fear and his followers encouraging them to withdraw further from society and closer to him. The family had already found isolation at spawn ranch thirty five miles from downtown Los Angeles but Charles wanted to retreat even further away from civilization. One of the family members mentioned a place her grandparents owned owned and Death Valley called the Barker Ranch Charles thought this sounded like the perfect place to hide out during the coming Apocalypse Diane Lee was afraid she had joined the family at the age a fourteen because she wanted to be treated as an adult but to her that meant becoming Charlie's lover not as warrior still according to Charlie let shed was inevitable and they had to prepare for it. Diane didn't know what to make his latest rantings about race wars and uprisings. They were terrifying to be sure but Diane was certain that Charlie could protect them from whatever lay ahead head what frightened her Moore was at Charlie was acting differently. Just a few months earlier he'd been affectionate and playful. He showed love to all the women but Diana had believed he loved her best now. She no longer felt like a favorite Charlie had withdrawn when she tried to bring out that warm side of Charlie he looked at her with contempt that more and more often erupted into violence points and beatings only one thing seemed to improve Charlie's mood the thought of fleeing to the Desert Diane hope the change of scenery would fix things after all if it was what Charlie wanted wanted it must be the right move. The whole family tracked out to Death Valley in October of nineteen sixty eight to scope out the property Charles got permission from the ranch owner to stay there but he soon realized that the group wasn't prepared for settlement they needed to stock. I'll food drugs knives and guns in order to make the ranch a suitable fortress Charles left a few members at the Barker ranch to keep watch while the rest of the family returned to spawn ranch and seamew valley over the next few months they started collecting whatever weapons they could get their hands on they stole Dune buggies and motorcycles from car lots and made alterations nations on the vehicles adding extra armor and welding on Scabbard to hold firearms throughout all these preparations music still dominated Charles thoughts. If he had any misgivings about his chaotic visions of the future future they were put to rest November of nineteen sixty eight. When the Beatles released their latest album featuring their song helter skelter Charles seemed to think the music was speaking directly to him all all of it confirmed his dark predictions of annihilation coming up we'll talk about Charles's interpretation of the white album and his increasingly erratic man's to his followers? I now back to the story after his release from prison. In the fall of nineteen sixty seven thirty two year old Charles Manson used his charismatic personality and is masterful ability to manipulate people to amass a loyal cold following dubbed the family but by the fall of nineteen sixty eight Charles seemed to be steadily losing whatever grip he had on reality as the group squatted at the Spun Ranch and Seamy Valley early Charles lectured his disciples about the apocalypse and the family made preparations for the coming race wars Charleston that the black population would rise up to kill or enslave the White Race Charles told his followers that he planned to take them into a desert where they would crawl into a whole and hide from the violence during that time he said black people would hold all the power but Charles a white supremacist. I didn't think black people would be capable of ruling the world so he predicted once they realized they did not have the skills to lead the family could emerge from hiding and be recognized as the rightful rulers of the planet. In it share delusions are rare but when shared delusional disorder does occur it usually happens among people who live close together often in isolation and with an intimate emotional connection Dr Ernest Charlotte Zeh was the first to identify the phenomenon he labeled fully ado which translates to the madness shared by two and fully famille or the madness shared by the family Dr La's egg said that the inducer creates delusions and imposes them on a passive individual who was not necessarily psychotic themselves but who is overly trusting and naive the the family accepted Charles's prophecy not only because they deferred to his word on everything but Charles also seemed to have proof he pointed to the Beatles release of the white album in November of nineteen sixty eight mm-hmm Charles said the lyrics song titles confirmed everything he predicted about the future blackbird was about black people rising against oppression hickeys referred to the corrupt people in power who deserve the extermination coming to them. Helter skelter was the term for the chaotic events that would ignite the race or and signal the end of the world beyond searching for greater truths and prophecies and the white album Charles thought that the songs gave him more immediate practical advice in the song I will Charles took the lyrics your song will fill the air seeing it loud so I can hear you to mean saying that he should not give up on his goal of becoming a musician Charles had kept up his relationship with music producer Terry Melcher as best he could melchior wasn't interested in indulging Charles's musical ambitions nations but he enjoyed visiting the women at Spun Ranch and he recognized that even if Charles talents as a musician were middling there was something compelling about him that might warrant closer look so in March of nineteen sixty nine Melchior agreed to come out to on ranch to hear Charles. Play Charles was fanatical in the days leading up to the visit he and the women he chose as backup singers rehearsed endlessly he had them perform strip show to accompany the music Charles usually taught his disciples not to care about close or personal appearances but before Melchior's arrival instructed his his followers to buy material and hand so him a fringed buckskin suit the family cleaned the ranch the best they could normally the family scrounged up meals from the dumpsters of grocery stores taking home any misshapen deepened produce or food past cell by date they could find in the trash but for Melcher Charles had the women whip up fresh baked goods and treats the group eagerly anticipated Melchior's arrival but on the agreed agreed upon date Melcher didn't show Charles was furious in addition to his antisocial behavior he often demonstrated traits of typical narcissism including including a fear of losing face. My sense counselor Suzanne degs white stated that narcissist is not able to tolerate any kind of public humiliation. Their egos can't handle the prospect a failure for the next few weeks Charles pulled away from the rest of the group and went on walks alone in the wilderness he had taught his followers to believe he was infallible. He hated for them to see him stumble. If they started to doubt his ability to become a great musician the might begin to doubt everything and then they might leave him. Charles couldn't bear the thought in addition shinned Meltzer's blow a month later. Police raided the spun ranch. They'd been tipped off that the group was in possession of stolen vehicles. Some of the family members were arrested. The charges were dropped within days because has police could improve who had committed the thefts. Even so Charles was rattled by the thought of the law interfering with his family a few days after the raid family member Tex Watson had a powerful negative reaction to some Hallucinogenic Bella Donna route during this episode he wandered around Van Nuys sometimes crawling on his hands and knees and emitting high pitched beeps until Oh police arrested him for public intoxication when he returned to spawn ranch after his release be other members of the family noted that he seemed different the twenty one year old had been a friendly mellow addition to the group after his bad trip he became snap ish and edgy some studies indicate that hallucinogens can cause long-term or even permanent personality changes however most people reported positive changes as such as decreased anxiety but techs felt like the drugs made him paranoid and destructive after the succession of dark events. The family was granted a new ray of hope Terry Melcher made another another promise to come and see Charles Perform on me team. Nineteen sixty-nine Melcher came to Spawn Ranch Charles let on the best show he could military true listened politely after it was over he gave Charles the name of a friend who recorded tribal music. He thought the friend Might Find Charles is music more interesting than he handed Charles Fifty dollars and left the audition was over in wasn't exactly a brush off but it wasn't a recording contract either still Charles would not give his followers any reason to doubt his success to save save face. He told them that the fifty dollars was a signing bonus rather than the act of charity it likely was but the rejection clearly stung and Charles's moods turn darker he began to contemplate played how we might take revenge on Melchior. It was also around this time that Charles sent his followers on excursions. He called creepy crawling dressed in black. The family snuck into random house's late at night while the occupants slept there they would misplace items and rearrange the furniture. It was a power trip thinking about how the homeowners would wake up and realize the intrusion had taken place <music> without them. Knowing Charles did not direct the group to commit acts of violence during these creepy crawling missions but he did ask them to carry knives at all times. These missions were all part of the group's training he wanted them to overcome their fears of getting caught and to learn to move around silently and without detection this would be important. He told them once helter skelter began they also started preparing to returned to Barker ranch and Death Valley but Charles was still worried about a food in weapon shortage. They needed to raise some fast cash. Tex Watson had a plan to do so he would pretend to be a drug dealer and arrange range to sell twenty five kilos of marijuana to a perspective buyer text didn't actually have the drugs but he had a buyer willing to give him the money upfront tax figured he could get the money and then disappear before the buyer fire realized he'd been cheated but the buyer who went by the nickname lots of papa easily trace text back to the spawn ranch and the family when lots of Papa called demanding demanding his drugs Charles told him that he didn't know where techs was lots of Papa replied that he was a member of the Black Panthers and if he didn't get his drugs or his money back he and his comrades would come come to the spawn ranch and murder the family motto. Papa wasn't actually a Black Panther but Charles believed the threat. He asked one of the male members of the Family Thomas T._J.. Wallman to accompany him do lots of Papas apartment. Charles grabbed a twenty two caliber revolver to take with them and gave T._J.. Specific instructions Charles would stuff the gun in the back of his pants and T._J.. Would enter the apartment behind him. When Charles gave the signal he expected T._J.? To grab the gun and shoot lots of Papa once they were in the apartment teaching locked eyes with Charlie. He knew that he he was supposed to grab the gun but he couldn't help hesitating. He thought lots of Papa would be alone instead. He had two guys with him T._J.. Like things to be simple and hear things were becoming complicated but Charlie wasn't phased by the extra men. He ignored them and nodded at T._J.. The signal for him to shoot T._J.'s hand twitched. He knew that when Charlie he gave an order he had to obey that was the deal he'd signed up for. When he joined the family he had surrendered his individual to the greater whole he truly believed that he was no longer his own person and that his body was under Charlie's control when Charlie wilt him to shoot T._J.? Expected is body to comply but to T._J.'s horror he didn't shoot. He froze when T._J.. Failed to shoot lots of Papa Charlie grabbed the gun himself and shot the drug dealer in the chest. Lots of Papa elapsed as T._J.. And Charles fled they returned to spawn ranch where Charles brought to every one that he just taken down a Black Panther. He explained that he had done it for their sakes to protect them. Meanwhile teaching was so terrified by his failure to obey Charles that he fled the ranch fearing for his life. It was a signal to all of them Charlie had shown them what it meant to be a member of the family if they wanted to remain part of the grew they had ought to be ready to kill in the coming weeks many of them what prove how ready they were to comply thanks again for tuning into our crimes of passion summer of sixty nine special we will be back Wednesday with part two of the Manson family story we'll discuss the the infamous murders that took place on August eighth and ninth nineteen sixty nine as well as the police investigations and trials that followed. If you enjoy this episode checkout Parkas continued retrospective into the summer of sixty-nine from July twenty second through August ninth the summer of sixty nine will feature twenty-three special episodes across sixteen different podcasts covering everything from Vietnam War protests to the Zodiac killer be we should check it out on our new are cast presents feed on spotify or anywhere you listen to podcasts several of you have asked how to help us if you enjoy the show. The best way to help is to leave a five star review and don't forget to follow us on on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. We'll see you next time when true love meat true crime crimes of passion was created by Max Cutler as a production of cutler media.

Charles Charles Charles Manson Charles Papa Charlie Tex Watson Charles Mills Manson Charles Moore Charles Philosophies Charles Sullen Terry Melcher Charles Terry Melcher Los Angeles Charles Spawn Charles Fifty Charles Dell Charles philosophize Manson family Mary Manson Beatles
SHARON TATE: Manson Murder Mystery

Death by Misadventure: True Paranormal Mystery

52:40 min | 2 years ago

SHARON TATE: Manson Murder Mystery

"Our episodes deal with serious and often distressing incidents. I may not be suitable for children. If you struggle with addiction feel depressed or suicidal foods and you need support. Please contact your local crisis center or reach out to a friend to ask for help on the evening of August the eighth nineteen sixty nine actress Sharon tate who was eight and a half months pregnant go to dinner at El Coyote with her three friends Jay sebring. I'll be L. folder and what's check for Kofsky author turning to Tate's home on Cielo drive full cult members of the Charles Manson family would arrive at her estate. Just after midnight <music> concerned the gate might have security alarm Tex Watson would cut the telephone lines before climbing brushing bank meant to enter the estate grounds and the Manson gang would find an open window in the main house and tax cut the screen out and climbed through the window once inside he quietly unlocked locked the front door and let the other two girls then what would happen next to the four unsuspecting friends would be a chaotic scene straight out of a horror movie after telling them up Tex would tell them you are all going to die. The nineteen sixties summer of love would come to an abrupt and bloody end on the morning of August the ninth when Charles Manson's family murdered Sharon Tate and her three friends join awesome a supernatural journey as we explore the glamorous life of Hollywood actress Sharon Tate we investigate the story behind a chilling death explored the mystical facts until the haunting tale of the Manson cult. This is death by misadventure <music> <music> Sharon Tate was born on January twenty fourth nineteen forty-three under the Zodiac sign of Aquarius and Dallas Texas. She was the oldest of three girls and her father colonel. Paul Tait was the United States army officer and her mother a housewife was named Doris. She was an adorable rebel child and at six months old chair and won her first beauty pageant the Miss Tiny tot of Dallas. It was her first taste at stardom but her parents had had no idea she would one day grow up to be a movie star. Dorsey and Paul were very young when Sharon was born and since her father was away from home frequently due to military duty doors his life revolved around little Sharon for a decade until her other two daughters were born at the age of nine and her parents welcomed Deborah in Nineteen fifty two and later Patricia in Nineteen fifty seven though her family described Sharon his shy and noted voted her difficulty creating or maintaining friendships she was a different young lady when she went onstage Sharon went on to be crowned Miss Richland Ashland Nineteen fifty nine and the queen of the tri-city auto realme the same year her father was transferred to northern Italy and Sharon was enrolled in high school goal. She adopted quickly was a model student. She played on the basketball team was a cheerleader served on student council starred as Juliette and the school's Rendition of Romeo and Juliet and she was elected her homecoming and senior Prom Queen. It was during her senior year in high school. That Sharon Sherin received her first acting break while in Italy she and her friends discovered that a movie named Hemingway's adventures of young man was filming on Location Acacia nearby it starred Richard Beamer Paul Newman and Susan Strasberg and the girls one parts as extras on the movie the bid part Hardt also led to a new romance for Sharon while on set she caught the attention of actor Richard Beamer he was smitten and they quickly became a couple and dated throughout the shoot. It was a turning point for the young budding actress and beamer encouraged her to pursue a career in Hollywood. After she finished filming adventure the Young Man Sharon went on to work as an extra in several more films and even went to Hollywood to pursue an acting career her protective mother doors Chris Worried about Sharon on a daily basis she had read Hollywood horror stories about the casting couch and feared her daughter would be taken advantage of <music> soon. Sharing streams would be sidelined when her mother Doris had a nervous breakdown guilt stricken she returned to Italy to take care of her mother other and ease her worries fortunately for Sharon in nineteen sixty two the family would return stateside to San Pedro California when she was nineteen years old when she returned to Los Angeles her boyfriend Richard Beamer introduced her to his agent and the young actress would get another shot at stardom stardom. Her big break came after an audition for petticoat junction she was discovered by film waste producer Martin Rancho Hoff who I said to her baby. We're GONNA make you a star at the age of twenty sharing signed a seven year contract with M._G._M.. and was groomed to be a movie star for three years. She was on a rigorous circuit of acting acting voice singing and bodybuilding classes. I've had no personal lives. Sharon said in an interview in nineteen sixty six before she was cast in her first major role sheeran started locking down small parts in nineteen sixties hits like the beverly hillbillies and Mister Ed however her manager at the time was quite controlling and would often refuse to give her bigger roles in films including big-name projects like the Cincinnati Kid. It was Steve McQueen because he felt she was too shy and couldn't carry the role. During this time Sharon met the French actor Philippe Phuket and Begin Jenner relationship with him in nineteen sixty three they became engaged but the relationship was volatile and they frequently argued career pressures drove them apart art and they broke up the following year nineteen sixty four soon thereafter Sharon met J._C.. Bring a former sailor who is now a leading hair stylist in Hollywood would the to started dating and J fell madly in love with her and eventually proposed marriage Sharon decline because she wanted to focus on career and the two decided to remain close friends after paying her dues for three years in nineteen sixty five Martin finally cash sharing the lead role in the occult Thriller Eye of the Devil Sharon had waited a long time to be cast in her first breakout role and she was excited to have the starring role as a temptress switch she even travelled to London to do research and met with a Wiccan high priest and Priestess Alex and maxine sanders others to prepare for her part later in her autobiography fire child Maxine Sanders would later claim that Sharon was fascinated by quickest rituals and became a follower next Sharon was cast in the role of Jennifer North in the Valley of the dolls. The film based on the book written by Jacqueline Susann takes place in New York City. The story spends twenty years and focuses on the lives of three women. Who've become roommates? I am friends together. They find fame get married and take lovers and turn to drugs to cope with problems the encounter along the way the role was perfect for Sharon tate. The character Jennifer North was based on Marilyn Monroe and Carole. Landis both who died at a young age rich and many believe their beauty and sex appeal turned out to be more of a curse than a blessing tate told look magazine in nineteen sixty seven that that when people look at her all they see is sexy thing. People are very critical on me. It makes me tense even when I lay down I'm tense. I've got an enormous immagination. I imagine kinds of things like that. I'm all washed up. I'm finished. I think sometimes that people don't want me around. I don't like being alone alone. Though when I'm alone my imagination gets all creepy in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven playboy published an article claiming that nineteen sixty sixty seven was the year that Sharon Tate happens although valley of the dolls was released a harsh reviews. It's still managed to do well at the box office and Sharon would be nominated for a golden globe as promising new actress in film however her life would take a deadly turn when she's introduced to dashing young director Roman Polanski aw in most cocktails there's usually one person who plays matchmaker and these complicated love affairs in this case Martin Rancho Hoff was responsible for introducing Sharon tate to her future husband Roman Polanski by coincidence the to happen to live around the corner from each other in London they met over dinner arranged by the film producer who wanted to help share and land a role in his upcoming film the Fearless Vampire killers however the first two dates were difficult to to say the least Polanski even refused to speak to share during the first dinner however after the second meeting you took her back to his apartment for a nightcap to get to know her better having left Sharon alone for several minutes Polanski reappeared wearing a Frankenstein's monster mask frightened she let <music> out a blood curdling scream and that reaction convinced him he should cast her as the lead in his new horror comedy the fearless vampire killers and to become his new lover Sharon an Aquarius was a mystical creature most men founder enchanting exciting and unpredictable. She was a free thinker and her Venus and Aquarius meant she was attracted to men who would stimulated intellectually and most likely she found Polanski's behavior interesting interesting with that said she had a mysterious aura about her and at first people would find her aloof. However men were mesmerized by her beauty but in the eyes of her friends she had a quiet charm about her and they found her to be sweet and kind for the Polish playboy his first impression of Sharon Sharon was that she was just another Hollywood actress with all beauty and no brains Polanski a proud Leo was the polar opposite of Sharon and at first he he wasn't interested but he had a change of heart when they met the second time and they emotionally connected on a deeper level his moon and cancer made the director actor Moody Insensitive and he had to feel a connection? I was Sharon before he decided to consider her for a role in his film. However as a lover he would find a tragic romance that would soon scar his life forever? People magazine would write Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski quickly fell in love and got married on January Twentieth Nineteen Sixty eight in London. The honeymoon was short lived and soon their marriage was riddled with wild rumors ranging from infidelity to forced threesomes Sharon was deeply in love with her husband who was nine years her senior but also extremely intimidated by him him she had a taste for dominant men and it seemed like Polanski fit the bill completely he had power both on the professional and personal front that Sharon was deeply attracted to but it soon introduced her to his kinky sexual tendencies that included drugs or Jeez and even home sex sex videos that he shared with his friends in the book Sharon Tate Alive One of her friends. Joanna said Polanski had a high level of control over rivers wife. He told her address what makeup he liked what he didn't like and he preferred Rumors are true Sharon. An interview was quoted as saying we have a good arrangement Roman lies to me and I pretend to believe him. In February of nineteen sixty nine Polanski's wife would move into a nineteen forty two French country style home located on three acres in Benedict Canyon at one zero zero five zero ceelo drive they rented the home from Rudolf Altobelli a music and film talent manager whose former famous residents of the estate included cary grant and Diane Canon Henry Fonda Paul Revere and the raiders and Samantha Eggar the last couple of lived there before the Polanski's Danske smoothed in we're candice Bergen and her boyfriend music producer Terri Melker the son of actress Doris Day Sharon adored the nineteen forty two hugh home and dubbed it the Love House. She knew that this was the home she wanted to nest in and welcome her baby boy in August however little did she know it would be a choice that would have deadly consequences Sharon tate eight months pregnant would pay one final visit to her family on July twentieth nineteen sixty nine together. They watched the moon landing and discussed the pending arrival of their new family. Member Sharon was excited to be among the night of the moon landing the Virgo Moon was conjuncture and Pluto and set the tone for their final evening together dreams visions or psychic impressions are often extremely vivid and profound during this time period and just a few weeks later showed made a fateful decision that would change the lives of her family forever three souls would escape the unexpected nightmare that awaited the beautiful actress and France on August ninth nineteen sixty nine Sharon who was born with the life path number six vibration represents someone who radiates inner wisdom and his clairvoyant they magnetically attract others to them and are genuinely loved by their friends and family however the six vibration can also be a double edged sword and bring great sorrow with Karmic debts to pay this energy was intensified by the the fact that her husband Roman Polanski also had the life path number six and they lived in a home with a six vibration together it equal to the number six six six six and is referred to as the number of the beast in the Bible a few weeks later on the afternoon of August eighth nineteen sixty nine chance to little sisters Debra and Patty called ask if they could have a sleepover at her home Sharon who was tired politely declined until the girls she had dinner plans with friends but promise they could come visit soon later that evening Sharon's good friend Eva Roosevelt was at her agent home when she received a phone call from the actress inviting her to dinner at El Coyote but she had to decline the offer eva had made plans to meet with German producer for dinner and had booked a commercial shoot at universal reversal studios the following morning. However Sharon insisted her friend swing by your home after dinner around ten thirty pm for a drink and Abba agreed according to friends Sharon was depressed that evening and in a funk her husband Roman Polanski was in London filming the day of the Dolphin so we asked their close pals whoa chick for Caskey and folger's coffee errors Abigail folder to stay at his house with Sharon until he flew back to L._A.? Play on August twelfth. He didn't feel comfortable leaving his pregnant wife alone to escape the baby. Blues Sharon headed to L. Coyote with her the three friends Jay sebring enter to house guests abigail chick after waiting fifteen minutes in the bar the four were seated and annoyingly would share last meal together before leaving the restaurant around nine forty five pm as they headed back to seal yo drive after arriving home around ten thirty thirty P._M.. We'll check fell asleep on the couch. Abigail retired to a room to read a book and Jay and Sharon were in her bedroom talking at eleven and I'm forty five P._M.. Jumped in her car to head over to Sheri- home for a nightcap when suddenly her nineteen fifty five Silver Don's gas gauge began began to flicker eva concerned her Rolls Royce might breakdown. She decided to return home at the time she had no idea her car troubles at just saved Tur- from meaning a gruesome fate Manson who was uneducated needed but highly intelligent had phenomenal ability to gain control over other people and get them to do terrible things he even convinced his followers that he was the second coming Christ and the devil all wrapped up in the same person however revenge is what fueled Manson sick sick mind the most a wannabe Rockstar who had tried unsuccessfully to get a record deal from Melcher and now he wanted a karmic debt to be paid by anyone anyone who currently lived at the home when the group arrived at the entrance to the Property Tex Watson who had been to the House on at least one other occasion and climbed a telephone pole near the entrance gate and cut the phone line to the home the group back their car to the bottom of the hill that led to the estate parked and walked back to the house thinking the gate might be electrified or equipped with an alarm they climbed up brushing embankment to the right of the gate eight and entered the grounds. Linda CA sapien remained behind the wheel as a lookout just then headlights in distance drove towards the three Manson followers techs ordered the women to hide in the bushes and stepped out into the driveway and ordered the approaching car to all eighteen year old students Steven Parent had been visiting the property's caretaker William Garretson who lived in the guesthouse as Tex a twenty two caliber revolver apparent the frightened teen begged for his life claiming that he would not say anything text lunged at parent with a knife giving him a defensive slash wound on the palm of his hand then shot him four times in the chest and abdomen killing him <music> after walking across the front lawn the Manson gang found an open window in the main house and tax cut the screen out and climbed through it once inside inside he quietly unlocked the front door and let Susan and Patricia in tech stormed into the living room startling whoa check who was sleeping sleeping on the couch confused by the unexpected intruder he asked who tex was and what he was doing there and he responded Stadion on the devil. Oh and I'm here to do the devil's business and kicked him in the head. The chaotic scene at the Benedict Canyon Hong was straight out of a horror film. You are all going to die techs told him after tying all of them up with rope and forcing the other guests into the living room Sharon tate and Jay sebring had nooses around their necks and texting the rope over the ceiling beams when j protested the rough treatment of his pregnant friend Tex shot and killed him Abigail in wochit manage to free themselves and flee the house but both were chased down the hill and killed by Texan Patricia on the Front Lawn Sharon frighten sat helplessly as she heard her two friends cries for help as they were attacked by these deranged lunatics begging for her unborn sons life. She offered to be a hostage so the Manson followers could escape instead. She was stabbed to death by Susan Atkins as she cried out for her mother before dying Linda Kosabe Ian who was still in the car heard the horrifying sounds and ran up to the front door in effort to halt massacre. She banged on on the door telling the others someone was coming and they needed to leave texts. Susan and Patricia ran out of the home but stopped and wrote the word pig on the wall and blood as they drove off Zabi and took the weapons wipe them clean and drop them in a ravine. ooh What's even stranger is the fact that the police were never contacted by concern neighbors next door at one zero zero seven zero C._e._o.. MR AND MRS COD had already gone to bed tech dinner guests having left at about midnight when Mrs Kat heard enclosed sequence Equi- what sounded like three or four gunshots they seem to have come from the direction of the gate of one zero zero five zero hearing nothing further. Mrs Kat went to sleep about three quarters of a mile directly down the road from one zero zero five zero Celia Dr Tim Ireland one of five councillors supervising overnight campout for some thirty five children at the Westlake School for Girls. The other counselors had gone to sleep but Ireland had volunteered to stay up through the night at approximately twelve forty. Am He heard from what seemed a long distance away alone alone male voice screaming. Oh God no please don't Oh God no don't don't don't however there was one lone security guard Robert Bullington who was parked in front of two one seven five summit Ridge drive with his window down when he heard what sounded like gunshots space the few seconds apart he contacted Erik Carlsson who's working the desk at patrol headquarters who who called the L. a. p. d. and passed on the report. The officer who took the call remarked. I hope we don't have a murder. We just had a woman screaming call in that area area but hours later the police still had not patrol the area to find out if any crime had been committed in the book helter skelter it said Sharon Tate's housekeeper when a Fred Chapman got off the bus at the intersection of Santa Monica and Canyon drive on the morning of August ninth length late for work she saw a man she had once worked with and he gave her a ride to the gate of Sharon Tate's house when she opened the door. You're just after eight PM. She knew instantly something was wrong. There appeared to be blood on the floor and onto towels in the entryway. She couldn't see the entire living room along couch cut off the area in front of the fireplace but everywhere she could see she saw the red splashes. The front door was slightly lightly open looking out she saw several pools of blood on the flagstone porch and on the lawn she saw a body screaming screaming. She turned ran through the house leaving the same way she had come in and ran down the driveway in doing so she passed on the opposite side of the white rambler seeing for the first time that there was a dead body inside the car to once outside the gate she ran down the hill to the first house one zero zero zero seven zero ringing the bell and pounding on the door when the cops didn't answer she ran to the next house one zero zero nine zero you banging on that door screaming murder death bodies blood <music> <music> Sharon Tate's neighbor fifteen year old Jim a sin was outside and Saturday Saturday morning warming up the family car. He was a member of the law enforcement unit eight hundred of the boy scouts of America and he was waiting for his While waiting for the police Jim and his father walked to the gate of the Polanski's home they noticed several telephone wires were down and they appeared to be cut not returning back to their house. Jim called the police a second time and some minutes later a third. Finally one hour later the police survived to the Benedict Canyon home to investigate a possible homicide when the officers from the robbery homicide division arrived at the scene according to the police report they found Stephen Parents bodies slumped in the driver's seat of his rambler. It appeared that he had been shot in the face left arm and chest the next body found outside the home was that of Whoa check for Caskey and his girlfriend Abigail culture lay dead in the front yard. The police entered the main home and found Sharon Tate's lifeless body inside the living room and J._C.. Bring was found approximately four feet away from her located behind the estate was a small guest house that was not part of the Polanski lease. It was used by the owner when he was in town and a young caretaker named William Garretson lived there also the police report noted that Roman and Sharon Polansky moved into the home on February Fifteenth Nineteen sixty-nine. We found that date quite compelling because of its mystical significance and the date equal to the number six vibration the same life path number is Sharon and Roman and the street address one zero zero five zero ceelo drive the six six six energy continued to to be a dark force behind the gruesome murders. The police appeared to be very interested in the connection between for Calcium Polanski. The report noted the two were close friends and they were both from a small town in Poland and Frankowski father was responsible for financing Polanski's first film since that first film Polanski had become quite successful in the movie industry and had felt deeply indebted to his friend he invited for Caskey and his girlfriend Abigail folder to share his home while he was in London working on a film and asked them to keep an eye on his pregnant wife Sharon not knowing the a deadly nightmare that awaited his friends and family during April May June and the first part of July. The police report stated that Cow Ski Kim folder had many wild parties an open invitation policy existed at the House and drug use was rampant at the time of the initial investigation when they believe the murders might somehow be drug related. What perplexed the police the most is how William Garretson who was home the night of the murders gave vague big answers to questions about his observations of what happened that tragic evening suspicious the police placed him under arrest and transported him to the station nation to be interrogated for murder Garretson at the police station continued to provide vague answers? Cops weren't sure if he was too high hi to remember what happened or he was trying to hide his guilt. At some point he was informed of his rights and told that he was under arrest for murder. The cops continued to ask about his activities. The previous night Garretson said that although he had remained up all night writing letters and listening to records he had neither <music> hurt nor seen anything his highly unlikely alibi his vague answers and his confused identification of the bodies led the arresting arresting officers to conclude that he was lying five murders four them probably occurring less than one hundred feet away and Garretson had heard nothing it was the investigators opinion that he was under the residual effects of some type of narcotic during the entire time he was in custody. It's possible but not probable. They thought that he had no real knowledge of the crime. However due to lack of evidence he was released from custody? Two who days later in the best selling book helter skelter it stated the police summoned Roman Polanski's manager William Tenant to come to the Benedict Canyon home to identify the bodies it was like he was being led through a nightmare as has he was taken first to one body then to the next shaken by what he had just seen he ran outside vomited upon leaving reporters reporters gathered by the gate as tenant pushed through the crowd clutching his stomach and sobbing the reporter's questions. Adam is Sharon dead. Were are they murdered. Has Anyone inform Roman Polanski. He ignored them but they all could read. That death was written on his face L._A._P._D.. We notified Sharon Tate's family see brings parents and Abigail folger's father Peter. Her father was chairman of the Board of Folder Coffee Company who lived in Woodside her mother. I knez villager in San Francisco. However Abigail mother wasn't home that visiting friends and her ex-husband Wchs has been contacted her to deliver the horrible news eerily she had spoken to her daughter the night before at ten pm just a few hours before her death breath Abigail had made plans with her mom to fly to San Francisco the following morning to celebrate her twenty sixth birthday when tenant finally arrived home he had to make one of the most difficult 'cause of his life and tell Polanski that his pregnant wife was not only dead but she had been murdered? Polanski and several associates were going over scene in the script of the day of the Dolphin when the telephone rang Tenet told him there had been a disaster at his at home and Roman confused ask which house he was then told the horrific news that his wife Sharon and his friends whoa check doc abigail and Jay were all dead Polanski screamed and yelled it must be a mistake but tenants sobbing confirmed it was true he had gone to the House himself and had identified the bodies Roman hysterical started pounding the walls then his head with his fists as he repeatedly repeatedly cried out. Did she know how much I loved her. Did she know how much I loved her. The news spread quickly and with it many wild rumors rumors Rudi altobelli owner of the Benedict Canyon home and business manager for a number of showbiz personalities was in Rome one of his clients a young actress called and told him that Sharon and four others had been murdered in his house and that Garretson the caretaker he had hired had confessed to the murder but it wasn't true upon hearing of the tragic death actor Steve McQueen longtime friend of J. C.. Bring suggested that the hairstylists helm home should be rid of narcotics to protect his family and business though McQueen did not himself participate in the house cleaning by the time the L._A._p._d.. Got Around to searching searching see brings residents. Anything embarrassing have been removed. However one person survived that horrific evening in a fortunate twist of fate for Sharon's good friend Eva Roosevelt who would have been the Manson's families sixth victim? If it weren't for her car troubles AH Roman devastated by the loss of his wife and son allowed funeral arrangements to be made by Sharon's family however he did choose a special name for his unborn child Paul Richard Polanski which was was the combination of Sharon's father's first name and Romans father's first name Colonel Paul tait would spend the night before the funeral sitting beside Sharon's casket casket to watch over his daughter one last time he wanted to take one last look at her as she lay peacefully in her favourite Puccini Dress Roman had picked out and his grandson Paul who's tech safely under her arm he then quietly said a prayer before saying his final goodbye to his oldest daughter. The memorial service was on August Thirteenth Nineteen sixty-nine and was attended by Hollywood elite including Peter Seller Kirk Douglas James Coburn and even Warren Beatty who flew in from London to attend the funeral Polanski sat in the front row of the Church along with Sharon's parents and her sisters Patricia and Deborah Sharon Smart retainer composure until the Reverend Pedo O'Reilly said the by Sharon and may the angels welcome you you to Heaven and the Martyr's Guide your way at that point she broke into sobs and Polanski helped her walk out of the chapel afterward Sharon and her baby boy were buried together at Holy Cross cemetery a few days later Roman Polanski gave away all of his possessions unable to bear bear any reminders of his life was Sharon that he called the happiest I ever was in my life. Polanski would later state in an interview that in the months following the murders I he suspected various friends and associates and his paranoia subsided only when the killers were finally arrested <music> who was Charles Manson and what Karmic fate did he share with his murder victims and could any of the senseless killings been prevented. Should we believe Manson who had several planets in Scorpio in his astrology chart had a hypnotic hold over his followers he intuitively we knew how to pick out emotionally broken men and women and manipulate them into doing his evil deeds C._N._N.. Would report during his childhood Manson's smother sold them for a pitcher of beer to a woman who wanted to have children his uncle had to find the woman so he could get his nephew back. He later would take his stepfather stepfather William Manson's last name according to the California Parole Board Manson had a history of manipulation controlling behavior and a mental illnesses which includes schizophrenia and paranoid delusional behavior <music> early nineteen sixty eight Manson would meet Gary Hinman a music teacher who introduced him to Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys Manson had an intense charm and attracted a group of followers and misfits together his family moved to the Spahn ranch. Just outside of Chatsworth California later Dennis Wilson would introduce Manson to record producer Terry Melcher but after initially showing interest in Manson's music Melcher declined to work with him further and it set off an emotional time bomb that would soon go off in July nineteen sixty nine Manson had become more irrational and instructed Bobby Bo Salil accompanied by Mary Brunner and Susan Atkins to kill his friend Gary Hinman because of a dispute over money any property on August tenth nineteen sixty nine one day after Sharon Tate's murders Manson displeased at the sloppiness of the crime scene decided the followers should kill again and they were on the hunt for new victims after several hours. The group arrived at the home of Supermarket Executive Leno N._O.. La Bianca and his wife Rosemary and the couple were brutally murdered in October nineteen sixty-nine officers rated Barker Ranch wjr in a remote area south of Death Valley National Monument Twenty four members of the Manson family were arrested including Charles Manson and Susan Atkins on charges of arson and grand theft at the time they had no idea they were responsible for Sharon Tate's murder Atkins was housed most at dormitory eight thousand in Los Angeles and became friends with another inmate for Jimmy Graham she bragged about the grisly murder Sharon tate and the other victims victims futile cries for help she expressed no remorse over the killings and seemed to enjoy reliving their final moments she even told Graham they had a Sinatra about the same time the L. Sheriff's detectives interviewed Al Springer a member of the Gang Street Satan's biker group that Manson had tried to recruit into the family and he told the police that Manson told him about the killings just days after the murders based on the account of Atkins Jailhouse Confession and interviews conducted with L.. Springer and various Manson family members the L._A._p._D.. Were able to identify the five persons who participated in the actual actual tate labianca murders Susan Atkins Patricia Krenwinkel Leslie Van Houten Linda Kosabe Ian and Charles Tex Watson send the trial began June Fifteenth Nineteen Seventy the prosecution's nations main witness was Linda Ca Sabin who along with Manson Atkins Krenwinkel had been charged with seven counts of murder and one of conspiracy since Kosabe by all accounts had not participated in the killings she was granted immunity in exchange for testimony the detailed the night of the horrific crimes comes after a seven-month trial the jury would find all the defendants guilty of murder on January twenty fifth nineteen seventy one and they would all receive receive the death penalty however in Nineteen seventy two the death penalty would be abolished in California and the sentences for the Manson family members. There's were commuted to life in prison in the end. It's a story that still baffles. Linda Deutsch journalists would tell L._A.. Times she had covered the Manson Manson case for the Associated Press and said Manson had a streak of pure evil she noted it's as if the curse has not disappeared and it hangs over everyone line who was ever involved with him. After the death of his family Roman Polanski Lansky returned to Europe and eventually continued directing he made Macbeth in nineteen seventy one in England and back in Hollywood Chinatown in nineteen seventy four which was nominated for Eleven Academy Awards however trouble continued to follow him like a ghost and he could not escape the Manson's curse in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven Polanski was arrested and charged with drugging and raping a thirteen year old girl he subsequently pled guilty to the lesser offense of unlawful awful sex with a minor after spending forty two days undergoing psychiatric evaluation in prison and preparation for sentencing Polanski who had it expected to be put on probation fled to Paris after learning that the judge plan to imprison him in Europe Polanski continued to make films including tests in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine starring Dasa Kinski it one Francis Cesar Awards for Best Picture and Best Director and received three Oscars he later produced and directed the pianist a drama about a Jewish Polish musician escaping Nazi persecution. The Film Won Three Academy Awards including best director along with numerous international awards polinsky tried to explain his anguish after the murder of his wife and unborn son in his nineteen eighty-four autobiography Roman by Polanski saying since Sharon's death and despite appearances to the contrary my enjoyment of life has has been incomplete in moments of unbearable personal tragedy. Some people find solace in religion in my case the opposite happen any religious religious faith I had was shattered by Sharon's murder. It reinforced my faith in the absurd in July two thousand five Polanski successfully sued Vanity Fair magazine for libel after it alleged that he tried to seduce the woman on the way to his wife's funeral among the witnesses who testified on his behalf. We're we're Debra Tate and MIA farrow describing Polanski immediately after Sharon's death Phero testified of this I can be sure of his frame frame of mind when we were there of what he talked about of his utter sense of loss of despair and bewilderment and shock and love a love that he he had lost at the conclusion of the case Polinsky read a statement saying in part the memory of my late wife Sharon Tate was at the forefront of my mind signed in bringing this action however Polanski has subsequently been accused of sexual assault by multiple other women and was expelled from from the Academy of Motion Picture Arts in two thousand eighteen the mansion Asian on one zero zero five zero ceelo drive where Sharon tate died was torn down in nineteen ninety four and a new home was built by David Omen five years later. Omens father purchased a nearby plot for forty thousand dollars and together. They built a house on it he would tell L._A.. Weekly in an interview that during construction a worker told omen he heard voices and footsteps coming from the top floor and had a spooky feeling he wasn't alone however on further inspection he saw that nobody was there other coworkers heard footsteps and voices and also felt a cold breeze on the back of their necks. Then in July two thousand four omen woke up from a deep sleep at two A._M.. To find a full body operation at the bottom of his bed pointing towards the the driveway which leads to the Manson murders site the ghost never spoke but gesture towards the driveway three times and then just disappeared fascinated and curious he went to the L._A._p._d.. To See if items from the murder had been left on the ones vacant land that held his house if a bloody a piece of clothing or knife-carrying the victim's DNA had been on this property that might somehow serve as a connection he thought that's when he saw a photo of J. C.. Bring Bring Sharon Tate's close friend and hairdresser also brutally murdered on that horrible night see bring born eery resemblance to the figure he had seen at his bedside guide paranormal activity at the house became something of an obsession for Oman in the last decade he's allowed access to dozens of paranormal normal investigative teams who brought instruments to measure electro-magnetic activity in the air which is thought to be a sign of the spirit world Amman says has the very first person to document the paranormal activities was world renowned parapsychologist buried taff who said in over four thousand cases. He's investigated instigated. This house had the highest consistent I._M._F.. Readings seen he called it the Mount Everest of haunted houses and the Disneyland for the dead <music> <music> however after the actress was brutally killed by the Charles Manson followers Sharon tate became the face of victims rights and her family became her voice a decade after her murder the actress's mother doors Tate in response to the growing cult status of the killers and the possibility of them being granted parole organized a public campaign that resulted in amendments to the California Criminal Law Law. She helped get the victim rights bill which allowed for victim impact statements passed in California in Nineteen eighty-two all fifty states now allow victims victims to speak either written or orally at certain phases of the legal process according to the National Center for victims of Crime Tate's mother went on to say that the law would help transform Sharon's legacy from murder victim to assemble of victims rights in one thousand nine hundred ninety two doors was one of several volunteer workers recognized by President George H W Bush the ceremony during which doors and her family were honored by the president for their work in in promoting victims rights marked her final public appearance she died later that year at the age of sixty eight on June third two thousand sadly sadly Patricia Tate would lose her battle with breast cancer and was buried next to her sister Sharon and her mother in two thousand five Paul Tait died of congestive justice heart failure at the age of eighty two to this day debra tate continues to appear at the parole hearings of the Manson cult members on behalf of her family in two thousand fourteen she released the book Sharon Tate Recollection to celebrate the memory of her sister in two thousand seventeen she was was diagnosed with breast cancer and lives with her family in southern California. The murders committed by the Manson family have been described by social commentators commentators as one of the defining moments of the nineteen sixties Joan diddy and wrote many people I know in Los Angeles believe that the sixties ended abruptly on on August ninth nineteen sixty nine at the exact moment when word of the murders traveled like brushfire through the community and in a sense this is true attention attention broke that day the paranoia was fulfilled <music> just before her death Sharon tate would stay in an interview. I think something more powerful than we are decides our fate it for us on my whole life has been decided by fate even her husband Roman Polanski had a sense of foreboding the last time he saw his pregnant wife in July

Sharon tate Doris Day Sharon Paul Richard Polanski Charles Manson Manson Sharon Roman Polanski murder Deborah Sharon London Abigail folger Hollywood Sharon Sherin Benedict Canyon producer Tex Watson Polanski Lansky Jay sebring Sharon Polansky
Ep. 633

The Fighter And The Kid

2:02:54 hr | 7 months ago

Ep. 633

"Total wine has thousands of wines to save her and pairings for every flavor spirits line. The shelves gifts are easy with helpful. Elves a wonderland to explore total wine and more responsibly. Be twenty one Kids t k put a seat on in britain. Everybody playing this game with the kids can put on the dance of who needs new phone. He does he got on seven hundred. Gotta i got a black man right. Gangsters use black bays guys who surreal all crackdown shoes. I was thinking about writing my boy my district on black beard. Drink juice the right on black on blackberry channel. Dog like like gangsters and cartels us Back face 'cause there's no cloud. It's hard to trace. Ooh the bm's yep you senator. Yeah well yeah what. How did they still use the flip phones. They'll move as the flip phones. Do law gangsters dana white. Still use a flip phone. He's having iphone has raise it. Yup are you adding him as thug. No corporate corporate doug you see what. You're sure dougie okay. Okay i mean. I get it when you get to a certain status as i. You can't just trust is have an iphone like that. I get it. But that's why that's why people love iphones because the security show good so you know like let's say we didn't knows but chin was a serial killer and like how we know let's aims killing bitches on the weekend and they found is Phone day like iphone won't let them crack into the phone like it's completely against really like they won't do it for anyone like they've caught isis guys with iphones. They don't crack into their phones like they refused to like bend and break security. And that's how crazy their security is like are like i can't get into the phones so so so when we facetime right. Let's say you remember that. I have your laptop a you have recorded. You know that. Green little circle they. Fbi agents looking. They look at those. Yeah but that's not that's not. That's not iphone iphone security. Yeah that's the cameras and shit. They say they can see all that shit. Like if you have like cameras like if you don't have a strong pasco people in watch it These big nuts swinging around the house. Like what you're gonna watch you watch me drinking whisky watson. love island didn't know they did that though. Yeah they can they get so. Wait like if you're on your computer southern naked. Well they say like the the they can listen. They can listen and record stuff like from the camera. That's why a lot of people like what's his name. It's not doesn't have that shipments house you know like he doesn't have like on his laptop. Who is covers the camera like you blocked it it my dad. My dad has duct tape around like that. It was at alexa. My girls dag us. That like three christmas girl on the greyhound house because people can they pick up on what you ask for and like what you say. It goes to a database. We'll hold on can listen to your conversation. It doesn't on the iphone because you bro. Yeah the have conversational you'll fall talking about for all want these jordan's gene poppin. Yes so like to the land rover dealer to look at shit. I don't know how they made me location. And then when. I got home just on my unlike my youtube as popular videos of the car i was looking at what. Yeah like bringing offender one ten videos. Like what the fuck do they know. Yeah but it must because a location on your maps and they just always at land rover but the how they know too much to my their tiktok videos about that were girls will take their boyfriends phone and say engagement ring engagement ring. Engagement ring johnson mars. Yeah that's really smart. So then yeah so. All their feed will be like tiffany and company so funny shouts those ladies man. Shot out to the ring on grandma got engaged. No related real estate guy. I think he likes linden to her. Dm's during an g live. He said she was cute and they just started dating. Fourteen stuck out cute. Who who's this issue has type like skinny like a white guys. you remember. Remember judge the way these look like. Just got out of rehab off. She does happy they look. They look like brother and sister. They look identical first of all. Oh my god yeah. They were like brothers yes. She does kind of look like this why she has a lot to. She just covers up a lot. Small ones a lot of little tattoos but then she wears clothes usually covered up. She's arena di boots is a lot of tattoos. He makes a lot of money for him. I don't know if he makes a lot of money but he does real estate in la. You got a ton of money shooter. Hasn't instagram actually tried to work on him yesterday. And what. I found in who she was engaged for saying here. Stay here. yeah i'll do is going to be coming here. Know everyone's afraid of covid. My grandparents are at risk now. So everyone's out in june Pretty much hanging out with my girlfriend just on christmas day because you went. I'm also moved my stuff to you. Jim movin who've an owner. You're staying here. Everyone's out here my birthday lewin's day so we all just ocean and we had a show on was that do you do all of dato data putting together a mini birthday party for you here. Okay birth open. This look who. Who's all coming in. I don what the fuck is up. Are you talking about the referee. The battle of i post a little awkward if you want to see them go. I don't think he research a lot of people. You what the problem is is eminem. Dropped his kind of right there. Just drop the street layers. Who is a big challenge. Pictionary people's he saw that is big super fucking. Funny raleigh's ain't ready. Listen this this white guy mexican put you better. Go in bro. Backtrack is pretty much finished. So the faz ryan they tag me in every big bigshot posts and you'll give it up. Mallets gonna kill you on happy honest. You did pretty well against dumbfounded. I can be a nightmare. Actually do wasn't ready at all so you beffa doubts when i booked him. I don't think he was gonna prepare himself to wrap by any means like maybe talk about it a little bit all night right off the top. Anyway it was. It was all about a spit my written game over. He got a little sexual you to give old blizzard rebuttal. He came with the rolex. And the cortes town go to rep. The gay district is coming out like man shit. Give me head off the top kit in mountain. Please don't stop you get. I love the reactions of y'all i started rapid. I didn't see video clip and really goes. I thought dumbfounded light. You fuck up cowboy whatever you said. You went down his little war taste as puerto of such beef okay. Because i'm not a big freestyle rap. Fan disadvant-. I love that. I love the world. Yeah i'm not in that world. But then i went down the dumbfounded world god dams. He goes to me fee new dude. I wish she prepare to leno soap. If you just let the fuck bringing The knicks gish. In always know compared. 'cause i'm studying the next time we have a rap battle guy on. He better be ready. He's gonna be ready. I bet he's going to be awful. Your views seen as a who. Who unseated right. He's a kid from wiley great. Yeah he's like big sean. Hi sorry i guess he's ready for you who you would come in ready dumbfounded like retired. Basically trying to see what he he's What enough. They say when he do that he likes earbuds. No have you guys been watching. love island seen as six. How far in season six saved for the road Should i well how far you start doing same way to. He wanted this. I can't get enough of it. How are you in season six Dan whatever sort of a new new girl just came so the twin got booted. Thank you for that one of oklahoma and tell you which twin i guess and then a new girl sitting at least pry fifteen up so then no or eleven or twelve. Thirty five sees deep. Oh you're d sound good so crazy this fit the episodes. It's not it's not. How big an fucking england it was. Oh big reality. Stars won't get that big out here. They used to when it was like flavor and love or go to these cats social media but definitely on million but even some the see some people. Even as i see some people complain say to. They just booked like instagram thoughts and dudes that have instagram fallings. Following people like online was saying. Because i was trying to find the best i and like season. Two three or the purifier. Yeah some people like some people hate it and then Season for everybody hates. They say it's so boring and so people like to three and five the best One they say is all right and for everybody should six six says anybody six. Well they're all just a real nice to each other. They're all like friends who season five when you get when you get thirty five episodes in. There's a moment in their dude where i was like. I'm not gonna cry in a reality show. My girl was crying. I promise you. I started laughing. Are you going to spoil four. And we got them talking. Got done i this the best reality show of all time. All it's fuck you're right about the casting though one. Stv's ex-girlfriend got casted for love island. She did the auditions around found I think she was auditioning for america when they first started. Why is you have different case. So good and they own the rights of the music so if you notice that music is on point they play like actual leg song. I i think i may the uk they just the brits and the scottish not like so much more fun. I feel like well. Let's go hang out with them. You haven't they seem so fix twenty twenty one and we'll see your boy tommy fury in straight up love. He allied line a elbaum. A love you love you. That's braveheart surprised that he With that girl. When the ringo came in i was like oh i do. But he didn't wait for it to get so good. It's good you go into it. That's my thing. I can't just be half in like diets dude. I have to be so strict. They can't be like you can have a cheap day one out there can be no cheat cheat cheat how you doing right now on it. You know i raised. I had three sandwiches on saturday. Takes cat because there's one in pasadena now and so we drove down. The kiddos can only get it from postmates. So you gotta wait and park. Postmates picks up hands. It off can stupid when we walked to a park. Eight fucking hell and race and then i got extra sale just because i like him when they're cold so that night and then the next day i had one to see three c. Three hot jalan ray sandwiches off this stomach. Was you know not bad getting his. I only fucks with the hot only with this. How i get into stuff. So i'd say once or twice a year i revisit the charles manson shit. I love the charles manson so this is kept talking about spawn ranch and i never knew i. I don't know why. I never looked it up and never knew where it was that and so The pas looking Listening to my bike ride. They said spahn ranch and then they said area chatsworth. And i'm like chatsworth. Oh mc wish to have. I heard of that. I know where the fuck that's at. It's not too far from the house so so then on my bike on their other up spahn ranch like oh fuck. It's only like eleven miles from me. So i bike. I'd rode my bike to spawn red son so on ranches where charles manson in the family. Like all the girls. They lived there for two years. So that's where supposedly we can get into that so posey. That's where he came up with the plan to Helter skelter shit. Kill sharon tate That's where he'd write. Songs is music and all that all the girls were. that's where like the music pretty sued visit the ranch and seem plays tunes and shit so you go the little area but it the and so he only rolled he only had a bunch of girls. No more guys like muscle but a lot of guys like didn't really fuck with them like they thought he was weird. The only reason anyone kind of with because those girls he's like they can have whatever they want with. Yeah so like terry melcher and like the like the the beach boys guy. Who's really into him. Who can help them out. And they chill at the beach. Boys house In the hills he would only because he had all these hot girl. Yeah he could fuck girls and then they really do anything who or did beach. The beach beach guy. The guy he fucked the girls. But that's it that's keith. thought charles. Manson had talent and then charles manson wrote a song and then he took the that song and it on the beach boys album and gave charles manson no credit. Oh charles manson vision. He was good. He was just like undisciplined so when they put them in a studio so that beach. Boy terry melcher hold them up and put them in studios to get him. Path like sony universal. But he'd get to the like the with the were they like audition is what you you get to the sound stage. And then he'd fight with the like control guy because the guy by try this try this and he like pulled a knife on law so like you can't have you can't do and he didn't have the town like undeniable drake's fucker pulls an iphone like all right man. Fuck out of here is. He wasn't really anything no at the time he was. You know he's like this his from here. But i think he's not he's not from here. But what's what's weird about. Charles manson's i you know with like the fake news and like the current affair and everybody the russia fake news and like the media. Now's like right. They just they they they get views and hits off. Fear like some people fair. That's that's what they do but this was real a little bit but like even back then like they were doing the same ship. charles mets. Like like tom o'neil who wrote Chaos and he gets into about the cia and working with the cia. Yeah doing all this shit in Haight ashbury in san francisco like the whole helter. Skelter thing in like the whole like. He uses mastermind all this like thousand narrative that the media created like charles manson is like what the fuck the be they did catch is on because it was like finger. The narrative gets the most infamous. Yeah see stay. Calm a syracuse. Doom accent sola date. He's the most infamous circular of our time Like that whole narrative was kind of it was out of the helter skelter book that the that the wrote like that whole narrative. The prosecution kind of made up to pitch to the courts and then the news got a hold of it. You know you and they said he's gonna try killing steve mcqueen l. john all the record super famous people. So i can't remember. You told me this was someone told me. Did they like lsd. Yeah they ask elstein haight ashbury like oh in prison and he would go to those in so the feds or i would fads or da would have houses were they give like johns. As they called the g- get them in with girls. Now's the hills haight ashbury and tim cisco so they give all this lsd and then all the ship then you know in that. You're talk about like they would. They knew we're charles. Manson was at and they like the cops. Were going to go get him by keys on. Don't touch him. Yeah like he got away so many times like parole officer never fucked like they'd let him like travel when he shouldn't get super suspect so you think they set him up. No i think he's crazy. I think he's do. I just don't buy the narrative but he also like she like yeah. He told like maybe the narrative see told those people kill everybody but then it's like he's not a killer. You know what i'm saying like the real killers tex watson who's is muscle y- and tex watson. His he did an interview and those tapes has never been released adler because he didn't go into the narrative that helter skelter helter skelter from helter smeal. Yeah hell his song from the beatles. Helter skelter is a famous rollercoaster in england. So not like he will is sounds spot. Helter skelter because because we associate with charles manson. Yeah feels like bits. That's a roller coaster six flags. Yeah yeah it's just like yeah that right it's all right if you call it. Magic mountain or splash mountain. Yes it's weird dude you look into it. It's interesting but then and then like you know it's the ride is to die for and the reason wondering got caught. It's cause that Susan atkins she was. She got picked up for something else and she was in prison. She start bragging about the murders. Won the Her cellmates was like i got to tell someone about this and then when they killed sharon tate like it was just how bit killer dude so to you talk about it. I mean yeah. Let's get into social so let me look at me. So share share tate. Who is going to be pretty famous right. Pretty famous supercautious sharon tate and then The folder daughter who you know the the coffee the coffee top billing and senior and then there's like two other people in the house. One one was so two girls to guys sharon tate. Yes now that old house. She's be terry melcher house. He owns it but he rented out to them to polanski. Who was sharon. Tate's husband roman. Roman but terry melcher was the owner. Also terry melcher was the guy who could give charles manson's record contract so charles. Manson tex watson went to that house year before way before. We're having parties. He did go the parties and he was the guy who is the key to his success. Keith he going to be the beatles he's going to be like charles manson. He's is gonna be like jim. Morrison and soul fantasizing. Be like jim morrison. Oh so they thought so when they just were like fuck it. You're not gonna record deal nothing like that. That's when he was like fuck these people. These rich people are taking us. We're gonna kill the rich so he went to the house not knowing sharon tate or folger's in there. They just knew that somebody rich was in that. It wasn't like wasn't like. Oh well i went to the house previously to talk to terry melcher. And they're like terry melcher done live here. This is rome plants. He's house and like oh and then. Sharon tate walked out and he saw her damn. She's hot and then left. Didn't think anything of it. And then when he came up with the plan to kill everybody he sent them there in. The three girls sent them. They're just kill the rich people. Make it look real gory. So sharon tate was pregnant as faulk. They killed her. They stabbed the baby. They stabbed her a shit ton The do they stand like a gillian fucking times like to. How much is it. Time techs walk like tex watson's did almost all the killing gnarly shit dude as she just happened to be there. They're just they're kill the rich yet. Kill the rich and then then those mad at the record labels. Yeah because he thought it was like going through the record lose their way what he wanted to see thought roman polanski lived there s a house. They got up for sale. Now for this is while is wild. She was different back then. A complex but but but then when you watch all of charles manson's like interviews which i've watched a ton of them. He's never admitted like he's like i didn't kill those people. He's like this whole like hippie thing and family. I don't know what the fuck people talking about. And then he goes. You not tried shave him for the interview but they want me look crazy so i have to leave my hair long and have this. So silent crazy plays a swastika on his eighth he had to in imprison had to side with the nation so they would protect them. He's everyone to kill him so he had the sole all link up with aaron nation. So that's when he did all that. Shit dave protected them that makes sense because he wanted us also he there was. I think the call the straight satan was a motorcycle gang and the he used to hang out at the ranch. Fuck all the girls and he tried like getting them to jump on board with them and they're the fuck out here like no one took him. Siri one's consume scott was just child so you know what else surprise charles. Manson is five. Four here's a little dude. Tiny dude was he beat he so he didn't. He didn't touch anybody. Well the might have shot a guy but now he's like he like you get in a fight but he didn't do any of those murders he did tie up the family in los angeles. Nope he left he was there and then bigger then the sharon they murdered and then the sharon tate family wants texts came back to the ranch was like we kill his five five to bomb wikipedia. Five two so he's probably he's cincinnati. That's where white. Mike is from my see victims nine but the family says they killed thirty five. What does that mean. killed by proxy. He didn't do it himself. He had someone else do it. Oh god it like so many like it. Man it'd be like saying a mafia boss is a serial killer because he orders the killing but he's got them off he guy You never call a like you know gambino or any of these high level gaudio serial killer but they still way more people. The narratives weird. It's all it's all super weird him you. What but when when he did that like. La was freakin. The fuck out so all of famous people had private security. you can buy any german shepherds. Guns went walk because everyone thought like this killer on the loose. It took them forever to catch them by the way. Oh to catch what else. So they so. They stories critical. It's nuts so they kill a guy into panga hughes a music instructor they killed him. They killed a shantallow family. Then the next day they killed The family in los feeless. The stupid fucking cop stint put any of it together. They're working individual cases. They didn't they didn't think it was. It was associated with it was it was a never put it together till after so took forever so two question so when it the the triangle you say it took a minute to put it together and he was talking about those feeless yeah. La lapd pinkas paying your different jurisdiction ex. Yeah but don't the police reach out to these jerseys back then no it was like now they do 'cause like even like the golden state killer so he would kill all up and down the coast. You kill them one jurisdiction kill here. They never put it together so back then they'd have to call mccain have used. That's yeah not now now. It's all over like jeffrey dahmer. Hot sector really hot second so back then. Killing was like easy to get away with ways. You're thinking about no cameras can now. There's a streak camera everywhere everywhere everywhere. People don't even know nothing. That's so an what charles manson do is. He would get these girls who like broken families like lost and he'd be just like kill them with kindness and then give them all these drugs like lsd. And if you're part of the family you can There's no alcohol. He didn't believe in drinking. You could do a bunch of light. Lsd in acid and shit marijuana but no no drinking water and so then turn up lsd but then huegill real high and light spit all the shit out of all this knowledge so they thought he was like saying coming fucking. Jesus christ oh so. This is like he had colt out. Do it was a colt. Then he called his family. Yeah someone else game that name the family. They did an article in rolling stones. They gave the name of family that he never referred himself as a colour family. It's sou- branched is kind of weird to me text. This is where it all it. All relies on tex watson's his texts tax tattoos from x. Aga tax like on tex watson hughes on. He was the muscle. he's on all the murdering. He was a fucking brutal was he. Can you tired huge. But it all what if you want to know. We'll see what happens. Those tapes of they've never released them. Those are the tha those tapes will tell us. What's going on. is he still alive. I don't know he's in prison for sixty two not that big not small though she especially you're thinking about the people there is still in jail. I still jail you on that with computer. But he's in san diego you to go drive down say. Hey what's your sided two story. Does he would love to hear because because they say they won't release because his narrative on like the the killings isn't the helter skelter he's like what no we're killing fuck. That's not only did we. We were trying to start a race war that stuff but they mess with the like you said the media the skelter book which is one of the best books of all time It was that that painted that narrative. Exa- helter skelter. Got a lot of is like you said the tip shit ton. What did you say twenty fourteen. This is a timber twenty fourteen. They feel like it looks young. Got his life to get right. What the fuck prison. I liked that but people didn't want to kill him. He didn't get linked up with the area nation. Known fuck you. He was going. He did all that did all the killing all the killing this guy. He's the bad guy. No one talks about. Maybe just want his credit. That's why he charles manson like they. If you watch a geraldo rivera did interview with him. And he's like people think you're a killer and stuff he's like fuck you talkin about. He's like the family he's not a call and then he's like well. You seem crazies. I want you be pissed if you've been locked for eighteen years and people keep paying this narrative your this fucking monster all the time he's like you guys are scared of me. He's like me he goes into the first. One is fake news and he's like this narrative payment is that real and then he goes to prison and they want to kick his ass gets with aaron as an errand nation and then he had such control the girls when he was on trial he shaved his head. They all shaved their head. He put an x. Hair they put an x. There crazy shit did but that susan atkins a piece of shit she she la. You know she. The one that stabbed tate stomach had no remorse for alive. Well she looks crazy. She's a real shit too. She got a pimple on. What is bliss cold sore. Std's because the whole family like someone get it. They don't all get it because he's to sleep with everybody she so she's the one that killed sharon tate. She says it's tex watson later down leaders after but years later. But it's interesting well in lighter. News talk ranch is interesting because you can go down there. See where they are all chilling like some there rusted out lake shits on the ground where where they were hiding out in their their story to shits. I'm sure they should someone that what you were saying like rust. We rusted shit. So that susan atkins person died in two thousand nine or rs. She didn't This whole this whole thing seems exhausting. It's super interesting. especially redecked. Chaos book where it goes into like no all. They did see so exhausted lazy to think about like what what would have happened. If they would've gave charles manson record contract. None of this would happen if they show at here. Dude play music. There's no murder well. he also could've went independent. What the fuck back. Then there was no independent jumped on soundcloud sixty nine sixty nine august sixty nine so fucking if that's what i'm saying usually go. Independent had some talent if like the beach. Boys guide fucked with a mysterious with them. Like you're doing something. And then he. He jammed out in That beach boys house. In with. Neil young and neil young was like damn dude. You can play so you must win. Pretty fucking touted. We heard his music. Member up sagging. It was actually say realize your old. He's year pretty good here. We you guys like this creepy is that sounds. I mean probably. Yeah you know talented. This town wouldn't expect to be that good. I think that's the main thing because good but he was good. He wasn't drinking bulky folk music. That's what it was back you know. Oh yes we listen to country while your mom no. Let's take a little break from the shenanigans because guess what holiday season is hair and people are coming around and make sure you give them good food. I'm talking about omaha steaks right now. You can get mouth-watering steakhouse caliber packages and exclusive price. Just for the t. fat z. listeners. It's called the deluxe griller. The statement just saying the name makes my mouth water. Because i'm fat. Listen for one hundred twenty nine ninety nine. You'll get four tender cut. Filet mignons eight boneless chicken breasts four juicy steak burgers for jumbo franks four rap scout potato. Say what four made from. Scratch caramel apples tartlets. Are we what this is crazy. This package awesome goods the free digital meat thermometer so no in your meats ready to go and four free omaha steak burgers go to omaha. Steaks dot com. Enter the code fighter into the search bar in order this package today. Plus you get the free burgers end digital meat thermometer. So you know when you're meets ready get off the grill this holiday stay home in san unforgettable gifts and eat great with the best steak of your life guaranteed go to omaha steaks dot com type fighter in the search bar in order today. That's omaha steaks dot com keyword fighter. All right kids. Listen you've heard me. Chen praise craig ice cream before every. Stand up gig before every podcasts. I swear by and here is some crate them. And the reason why we've taken so long to get some credit them on the show is because you've got to trust them has to be ashby in-house a small operation not outsource renewable stuff. You can trust. We talking about them. We talk about you want integrity crate them That's really good in this company. Prides themselves on doing things the right way without cutting corners. safety is number one when it comes to this crate him. They do not outsource manufacturing timeout super spiezio. Shut all right and you're gonna get the best them on the market. It's what i takes. What chen takes. I swear by i went. I went push something in your face. That i didn't trust just like anything. I do supplements fricking merch. Cbd be trusted. It's third party lab tested right. You only want the good stuff It's only natural ingredients and they just do it right man so i swear by these guys all right again. You want something pure man and if you've never heard of them it's a herbal supplement like cbd but instead of coming from the cannabis plant. It's from something closer to coffee tree. People use them every day including myself chin People use up for to get relief from pain energy. Support all right kind of like a substitute for coffee. You're pre-workout a man stress. Zip for focus. I swear by crater my stay on it and yeah man superspy. Chioce is the cradle for you guys if you wanna try to out. This is the best way to start because it safe. And they're often guys twenty percents off go to get super leaf dot com again. That's get super leaf dot com that super leaf super l. e. f. dot com. Enter the promo code fighter for twenty percent off. That's get super leaf. Dot com promo code fighter. Oh guess what. I listen to country while law. Your mom no chris stapleton. Wow legend i yeah i. I was thoroughly impressed. So i've just cycled his music. I can't remember was living. Which one is your favorite Specifics just let it ride. Because it was just that good. I guess some good chance. He's got some really good jam. Cruise around jeep. Listen that no no interest bump it not yet okay. You're not to warm up. You're not there yet. i'm not there. Yes back in your home and your privacy your privacy my home. Let me get comfortable there first and then then what you take the streets. He's he's really good. Qatar planes great. Yeah amazing siblings. Doing that did this. Song with Justin timberlake to. Yeah that i'm giving up on you know. No it's not him. I say something with drake in timberlake christel justin timberlake dude. So he's wrong because he's he's tennessee. Oh tennessee yeah. I don't know the. Yeah that's what. I looked up to country. Music's the only guys get away with wearing baseball caps at fucking. I know major like chose just like the undertaker worth some amy. This isn't that. I respect it all the way that just gave me chills when he opened that video. Say something ridiculous. Yeah like his voice. I dunno angel. It's a powerful dirty angel angel says and that's what i call things country dirty angels great. Yeah know komo won't sink resolve right man. His solo album was it justified Knows just sell title ra called justified and he thought it was still title. What was this. Might be puckers town. Yeah so for real for real. Did that whole album. Yup bit produced. It actually was for prince right. No jackie i'm jay. Wow like in so gave it to timberlake timberlake fucking senior. Come come on now. You ever seen it. What's it called. Yes was justified josh bell. Did you ever seen him live anything. Justin timberlake no. But i would go. I'd be front row. Say fuck and road. He comes on buying the tickets. Let's do it. I'm with justice hubbell's maybe he said doubleday double to day to double coming double dickey down. He's a good actor to. Let's not go to newzitcom your fucking hater. Djamil true stores a two story missing even a mortgage not whereas don't just get in the life for that. That's i didn't know that was a long fucked me up believe you don't Like i love my heat. Now he was. I didn't like them at all. Honestly a piece of shit you ship come home and says he actor yeah. He's great and bad teacher. He's finding he said cameron diaz made the made like no cameron diaz democ the movie the the the redhead because own sheets the apple. She's not superman. No right here. It was on the phone. i am a teacher. That's a different actress. Oh you're talking about you had the girl from Easy the know. Emma stone stone though no lucy john deere is jamie squirrel lucy punch she fusion ella enchanted okay but she was in something else as well. She's in a lot of free hot. She's a british actor career. There's good ceo makes the movie. I like when when he's taking shit he's like you know. This is not the time. close out daily. This is not actually his acting. You don't fuck with justin timberlake's acting he's not good on your promise coming at you. Coming up big sean. Justin timberlake talking about two guys who are cemented in there fucking got argues it. J. t. is cemented in music. Acting no big. Sean is submitted and having a record deal music. No so i want you to. I want you to understand your craziest trauma just timberlake. Also the voice of the head troll. One of the biggest animations of all time call trolls. Not biggest animation is. One of trolls is big. He's the voice. Trolls i can you can. You can do voice over voice over. Like i'm i there on a set movie said this weekend and i know what it takes a movie set or commercial with yet to say that to say yes. Commercials on alpha alpha. I didn't know the social network. Social networking way says added into own us space Napster napster. I guarantee you see justin timberlake acting in like any kind of movie. But oh i gotta go see it now. That's all i'm saying and the fans agree with me on this. What do you mean. I think he's good. He's okay but alpha body coulda did who you compare you. Are you the hater online. You're the kid who can't get into the club. Hate on the people in the club waiting in line to roxbury shit did bra you why you hear that guy. Look at me now. Let's just say. I can't even good. He's i call on hold. Miami's what are you. What are you saying. What's the podcast or comic talk. Twenty thousand followers got is growing. Thank you i'm saying. okay. I'm saying i didn't like them. Alpha dog okay. I'm just saying it don't matter driven crazy. Oh he's a was. It wasn't as i. I don't know god. He was getting up dude. That's crazy that it's a true story breaking the guy from what's the girl next door Email he he's act guys. Good actor just saying what was this i roll. It said something. It just made it onto a lot. He was a disney kid. Though i'm in ryan gosling yeah. They beers and do his first go here. That boycott credit read. It adds up since he was a kid. Malik well hold in time moves good. He's at the music thing. So let's not as a main character in time in time with With the time. Amanda ciphered was in it again. Okay the wonderful world of disney jason. The simpsons was voiced long. Shot that he was a valley q. I remember john give me something. Good you his music videos alpha zippers major. First major all after his like low album. He didn't know he was doing. I get it. They said this went straight to video. Release edison oak. After that he was he was in black mole. Shutout two samuel jackson. Oh that one yeah remember. I forget he's this right. He was saying no. He's not seeing on that. He's a voice on shrek. he's the prince the lonely island dick in them up to love the love guru again a box. He got credits. Oh yeah he did a lot on a snl to what he did. A lot of sketches on a snl friends with benefits will benefit. Yes he know. She's married to ashton kutcher and they came out seventy other there on the seventy show but that same year they had another like friends with benefits. Movers just go. Wait no natalie portman. Yeah forgotten what that one was called. It's were actually good. Yeah that's so funny in. Tom was so great. I was with demi moore for a minute the mode women baby is that much is did. They have a huge gap. Yeah yeah huge. Vessel inspire me. Yes yeah her daughters us seventy no as inspired me to go to mind. Sixty sixty eight a. You can't just sit here when you hate on. Just really can't do that. You can't do you. can you almost fire me. i'm trying to think. What beanie siegel said to To charlemagne oh would that. He's like you don't he's not qualified qualify. He's like you're not qualified. He's is not qualify. He gets so heated. That looks crazy in when you think lashawn be quiet match. Which is the incident that occurred. Like i said you know buying a right mind wants name streak confronting goto the last minute of it. That's the way it gets real heated right in personality that come from my world. Now i don't know the mouth. Don't stop running fucking shit dangerous. It's dangerous no doubt you told me literally. He's not even scared. And that accused of murder during the height of my loves paying. Your job is to play d. Be me shouldn't be sif me. Don't play with me. And he said i know it's working because we adjust your seat because you're not swallow. Not qualified climbing from world remember sticky fingers. Got into your google's be i i did. I googled his he was he was right what they will go in there because charlemagne sticky you know sticky fingers is right now is he. The cross argued or no sticky fingers is get the ball head guy. He was in a lot of movies. Just rapper is well onyx. Charlemagne oh god threatened so many fucking video. I love trolls. Is he a troll or is he just like he's just a no bullshit. Type of people are uncomfortable asking because his boy in his group is crawford. Oh you talking about process now or cockeyed. Coffee is doing what they want. Don't do always looking like donal. Rollins Was my man named in the middle. Yeah always thought came his name. They will kill you know. I don't think he's a troll out of these troll now like what would think he just ask uncomfortable. Questions of course is that no one fucking. You ain't wants to be as i watched schultz special. Oh you finally watch is very Yeah i it's not like i think if people are tuning like comics it's not coming special. That's more of a comedy it's more like monologue like like current events daily news with with good dude. He does really good jokes crushes. Yeah it's really good. I really actual special yet twenty one. Yeah yeah. I think it's just a i mean if people haven't washed this it's just a good eye opener when it comes all the shit that's like costly going on this fucking told us can be hard for you when to come after him because everybody gets it. Everybody gives everybody white chinese. Yeah i love it. Don't think like that. They just think for one one fucking oh did you watch it. I watched the first one. I got i got through more. I was busy filming this week. Four mccall was jt onset. No time for that it's much. Jt on some commercial is performed at the super bowl halftime. Show show pity. I'm damage l. So disrespectful now guys what happened ahead of xbox hitting fly me to the super bowl. I just wanted to show the super bowl. That's who talks. No we're not in talks. But here's the thing. I'll wait for mayor during the super bowl. It makes justin timberlake to go to the focusing. They have to pay him. Know the super bowl. Yeah true well. If xbox commercials premiering the dating i don't know if they're gonna fan february. Yes was the subaru this year or next gen. They sent somewhere. I should know but We're gonna be saying also the direct is eddie. I hate when people. Because i was walking around set cocky. Why oh 'cause. I was fighting a different outlook well. Here's the thing you know how i got it. I don't want to expose people. But i was like you know. I'm not producing something and i'm in my shits walking around. There's a hey trailers right here. I say better be right so i'll get to the train. Horrible me well anyway. So but i'm very professional guy on set. So i was like. Hey i was wish it. What do you want to call you. I said call me rb right. He was okay. We'll call you rb because the character name was. Gb gamer boy outing now. I'm not a game boy. Discount or be really boy right so say they'll call me or you've had a relic for one week. I said i'll two months okay. So he goes. I'm gonna fight in the kids with the z. Here's oh yeah. yeah yeah. is that with a british ob. I'm i know brennan shop. He's from colorado right. I was like denver. Here's a yeah What's is point. He'll a point something the auto box. Where's the out of box capital. He was saying like pots outer bucks. Capital auto auto bus transformers outer there. colorado company. Yeah where would the headquarters the see. Because he say i'll get to. The next rookie is in issues. That that's where jay went to school. I'm glad you brought that up. So he was like. I grew up for college all my life. I know those guys they See as us. I want to see you want to see us you. Yes she's the shitty called. Okay so he said. I know british mike powder. I know. i'm not trying to be in your xbox justin timberlake and the guy said he said he's a big fan. Kim gone he's like l. british off. He knows me okay. Cool and i sent you to group and you ask them. I said my. I say britain. Has he knows you know his name is. Mike is mike who and now. i said. His last name britney says are cloudy. Move doing a thumbs down with both hands. Mcdonagh gone sake. Say because i was like oh she was right next to me. I was like well. Yeah do i'm bad with me. I'd have to see him. Yes no not. At all said he'd been to the show at wise guys really. Yes there is. No last year did you. Did you perform last year. I'd have to see him. If i see my i know okay. Well he's not interest back. Yeah i'm still trying to be in that commercial. Last big deal is premieres during the bowl to be on a super bowl commercial. I'm the leap. I'm the co star. She's australian. don't worry about her. I had no right. Yeah well told her. So you'll pick up the temple. Yeah told me do. So yes was. She's been doing real. You've been on right this cream dude. You had a boxing role in to your actually your robert deniro percent out of mitch. Chancellor why you fucking mountain pass boxer. Yeah good fucking job long boxer botch and gonna fight with the other coast. Yeah well you know what your problem. The problem onset say that that's going to be a stain on something not a problem with south belt. I wore masks her heads. The other guy. Shit them. I i am a problem all set because i post a picture of The at me like behind the scenes can't have it. I bro it's because it's a big release that they're going to surprise the world and you didn't know that i also sat on a mclearn. This guy had that was crazy. The puck he sat on a mclaren and the dealer is what the fuck i got up real fast doing callao. Malik you brought on yourself. You wanna talking all this shit i. I don't be chugging actor notes you can set the same for you by the way. I'm the lead. She's number two on the call. She goes malik. Be number one. She's number two but still to commercial. You know it's not like you're in fucking avatar thirty three all your fun. You know what i'm saying. Vin diesel the rock. You know this this is going to propel me to other things. So i'm saying i'm taking this series. How this attitude taking it serious. I'm like yo you want. Listen mike laws no british shop. He loves me as well. I'm telling her i'm listening. We try to kill it. Seen duyet delivery allows like this. How long has she been doing it though. She says she's acting like her life. You know so. What are you going to give it. You've been that convert three minutes. You gotta you gotta you gotta get but these. She's australia and i was like listen. I think she hot issues. Here's that they she was. She was tall tune. Australia's so tall. Y'all think australia. Nah just dime piece walking everywhere as she's been australia everywhere it's like. They just stay out that she taught me australian. Actually say you gotta like. They talked to their nasal mostly. So you just like instead of san. They don't move their lips a lot so instead of cena late you know we move our lips Just talk to you. And i saw bloody how like that. Kinda know. he's offer the worst. Putty would ever smoke smoke. Yeah so he said Let me just tell you how to sing. Want people to act like over xbox for home the commercial drops in the ball right. You're about the job you're about to lose an xbox what's the director's name. Who knows me. Mike mike now. Let's talk him of there. Don't do that. Descend also premieres super bowl. Which i'll let you on. And we do a pickup shoop nj where now they love me so much comeback for pickup shoe. I mean again that means like they want to reshoot For like so. Let's say the special because there's a lot of special effects. John let's say the guy was like i do do do a pickup shoot and re-shoot so thick shoot is a good thing. It's a great thing and you get paid this. Yeah that's almost an xbox xbox one they gave it to him. Can i show you can you. The pitcher have you been playing it. You in your life playing it no not. I've been busy. I had to record what you can talk about all right like your because i'm getting trouble. They do the pitcher posted. They was like bro. Take that down. Because there's a reveal of you know better than that is reveal for video game is going to be so. Don't she said no. I don't think think he knows what. And how you just now about when peter you know who makes a highlight highlighting since the team like. What do you guys think he posted before me. Fox anyone goes out. It's great at the time did do that i did do i did today. You paying him through. The whole lot can't cannot be fair. That was a mouthful. Peter texts me and he goes on song he said. What songs should i hold on jan. I'm saying it's a mayor dropping. Okay got airdrop down. I don't know if he does he. Does he got all right. Let's see gene. Are there you go. Oh there you go so they gave. They gave us all this product. He not posting shit. Sure sure your house played ex-wife's pay fifteen years this clip the batty yes experience. I don't know like makes it like ohio phones here. You're like playing like the hand of six figure queen. Do people already have this xbox a couple the isn't that you sure you can post that. Listen we're not the reveal is something else is the game or something. Yeah got okay. Okay i was asked by the hard-won gives the ps five. Right and like impossible for me me me. Give me for my birthday off Your next book. Psi psi all videos and the xbox commercial he campaign. How does you wrote me a lot. Better apple yeah. You know what. I do on xbox. Yeah you'd rather have that day i'm comfortable. I have a great christmas now now. Ps five has travis scott xbox as you. Yeah so which. I'm sharing the marketing dollars for ps five. Feel like we're a little steeper. What they have michel much money got made twenty. Got one hundred mil one hundred hundred mil. Mcdonald's mcdonald's nike grab and this th the and not including the thing he did for that game fortnight on an saying that's in the night playstation mcdonald's and then his nike club hundred mil hundred this year. Easy saying sales on t. sign on. Mcdonald's went through the fucking roof for mcdonalds. Yeah because of his ready mcdonalds mcdonalds. Sorry poppet bro. Donald's don't even need to make my house you get when you get off the highway. Yeah kill off. All the fucking with me just built a just open. Chick-fil-a is so easy. Like you just like okay. Attorney but chick-fil-a rats guy be like distaste abu dhabi getting pretty healthy. It can't what what what's healthy world. Chicken nuggets chicken city. He would eat the kale salad. Fuck on my face i to do this feels chick-fil-a and get the kale salads like just make your own kale salad because of wiping temperature so fuck kale killers trash. Do go a little bit chick-fil-a nuggets kill lot. Look the drive drive. throughs always crump is fuck. It is always drive to chick-fil-a is way shorter than drive through in and out every now pass by and out. It's always pay dude. And i'm like what is the three long before three blocks from my house in and out between there's panda and the right off my exit fucking chick-fil-a just the big man upstairs going dude stay fat lord gotta move damn got him walk in and out for. I'm not like well you keybase everyday. Jesus i've been holding strong. Maybe i'll inspire you army's the cast of a violent everyone's shredder by sri imagine five children in the pool. Go fuck is sort above. The knee love their fashion the fashion of their fashion. But i could never dress that way down. Whatever you want you to. Where you i could do whatever i want but i can never their them. Boys like these. These are super baggy pants and love island. They dude when they wear like lit up in american row winning those but they ll cool in their pants are so. I'm really well fashioned. Well wonder if the no no they they don't give them a budget for clothing. They have to bring your own clothes. Oh so easily. Your fashion goes. Europe starts the trend. Then it gets to new york and then it gets we get it last. Then he goes to la. Really get the trends last so like in new york dicky's for fucking twenty years. Yeah But then in japan's fusion fashion so japan kicks their cloudy sky. And the best. Denham comes from japan. Korea has have doled fascists. They do japan then. Europe especially england influences all a bit. Then he gets to new york and then makes it way through the midwest than they gets to us. Grease that futuristic shit. Yeah and it's also very like a ambiguous email s you guys can just sort of feminine print lay my son my son was watching bt s and he was daddy are are those girls and it's a good question career few struggle with the pronouns. For sure i look at that. The is the it's just different. Is they had that kind of. But i feel like that. That won't hit here to like later. Nine years from now he played playboy card. He dresses like that really fast. But also fashion shinji. I realized the interesting needs to make money. So they're not gonna make money just put out the same shit so someone's influence all the time. Yeah and then that goes out so they stopped making baggy than tight. Jeans are in then that goes away than baggy comes back like it. Just them killing us in guinness to spend our money. I didn't get sal exam. Mcqueen eric owens until like already and ice rocky song like a rock jackie off now. So you'll be you'll be careful. What is the early as brock. Do off back with riyan tripping. I don't give a fuck. I wasn't they. I just said to me the other day. Well it's also it's to note though like oh you know he likes guys too. Well i just like i just interest. Just note he's just noting it yes just like. Oh yeah. i'm just saying something. I thought something happened in sweden jail with him and i was like. Oh that's what he was giving me this whole conspiracy there. Yeah he wasn't even that long him. What are you talking about you. have you been to jail. Jail heard about it. You heard about robocup. Come with fans told me there's nothing to play with is different over there. That's why they won. Here is not there was begging bad. It will tweeden. Prison is horrible. Listen h. like celebrity. He laid with donahue we. That's a swedish jail a university sweden's known for being pretty Talking about the fans don't allow bill. Why are you listening to fans online. Don't know what the fuck that. I gotta stop look renamed. I'm saying listen. He came of jail. He was in. Can we both can. We both agree. It's a holiday. We all agree. Then he came out more feminine when he lets. I is always feminine. You think so always. He didn't he didn't paint his nails and stuff like that so he started getting like all his like your high. No but that doesn't mean they're gay out think he's by but he says he's by that's not meet fucking he did wait. Did someone get mad. That he can't his home he got mad he Is they were or something like that. Didn't i think someone's as he was like. Drake is upset because take drake's in love with riana. I don't know about that a little room. Oh everyone's in love with riyan fair ca team riano goat she is. She's a fucking goat. She just whatever she wants. I know right. You're talking about someone. Come in quarantine. Ariana came up this year. She's a she's a makeup makeup. Kill the yachts all online. That's all online though ochre. But you say travis scott point. He did it outside everything. Okay he was hustling issue dam and dropping music to android music features. I was about to say just features. Lana hasn't come up with michael jordan. So he's slowing with. Mike joins house hub boss yet. The beat. shoot a video of michael jordan. Now you got to be signed by the chicago house Yes for sale by the way is also i wanna talk about sports but must okay cool lamelo ball the youngest one. I didn't see you do well bro. He's killing right now. he's a at. Can i send to you know. Just look it up. I think it's on barstool right. It's everywhere you'll fees we looped it. Here's the thing though. Those doubts don't miss that. I mean if they're saying he's that good he must be fucking grow. The middle brother got cut right lavar window. He that trash yes good now like debris spill rookie doing this minutes die. Are you serious. And let 'em clutch moment. They played against the tears. Ross did he. He was. I think he was in. Its preseason that was filthy. That was not only did or ninety more than that did. Put a pointer i mean he they. They say he will more for tim game. But it doesn't matter. Twelve assists one for ten pass was do wartime allies. He has more allies. Oh did you see the tunnel harding. Toronto deliver not deliver today. No i swear to. God for law mayor gets yet some foot jamal. Murray a couple of draft picks and we'll board. Is he going to happen where they talked and talked to be the first one. You're jersey dote. Are you what you like. That the get funded. Yeah that's not him. The joker a the week. Oh and you got goin' sizzler. You've got you've got puerto junior. Who's like a superstar. Hardy souls the ball down. He sells office. Yeah i wanted to go to brooklyn. You've got boy. Oh boy oh no. That's not label brooklyn scary this year. Listen was right about brooklyn slim reaper. I never been worried. But lebron plan your tires fucking mcivor. You good together. They killing like baby. They blew off. Boston wasn't even a game. I worry about the trade rumors. I heard hardiman cisco boston. Toronto with what. Yesterday was boston and toronto. Nowadays today must move so fast they just they get listen and i want to get off this harding. Feel like you you. You've been astle like i mean that organization cater to all much. Yes they did everything for a hard and effect. He is just not just not working but now they have a new coach and this guy he's been put his time in the first black. Oh we're minorities right. The black coaches won't get a lot of opportunities. I'm saying like blackhawks minorities and basketball with care. Okay cool as owners. Yeah not an mba coaches though is it's a few black coaches writer and he has a superstar like james harden demarcus cousins and john wall and hardly like now won't play. That's kinda fucked up now. What are you talking catered to it. I wonder whether it's been there for years. He's done not. They got rid of the coach because he was not working. My way antonio wanted to start fresh. The organization did it built around cater to men bad. I don't have a problem with it. 'cause they soon as soon as he starts to slack they get rid of them. So like when i give you. Is it so guy so throat. I give you that your boy for the eagles to start with the white guy. Let's talk about forget close. Jail jalen hurts ball. Come on man. They still lost and they sucked but he put up to three hundred passing yards and rushed for four hundred now Murray had four hundred. Oh sh they were boring it for him okay. Mike owes you was now. That's college white. My key He's supposed drop off tomorrow. Actually i live with the make. Sure it has come over there. But i'll went once an awful all year. But here's the problem. Is i see. This is sports. So wentz remember before he got hurt he's gonna. Mvp that year gets hurt. The foles comes in. They win the super bowl that year. They pay wentz out the aso. Although organizations money goes into wentz he sucks now but they're tied up in this huge contract can't signing base because all their money's in wets p went. No dare you boy. Nope so so then. He's not playing well but all their money's in him so but they drafted jalen hurts in the second round. I think and he came from. Oklahoma played for alabama about everybody goes. He's a winner so finally to give them a shot. Because once it's been shitty all season the human shot he out it'd be the saints laws out but down once there was like they're gonna have to train them they get rid rhythm because he's i'm not a backup sheet back you play like By the way come to the omo go to the broncos. Listen must say ma. Portes drew brees. Please retire him. Like eliza would you rather have you talk about drew. Brees the guy who can't pay a perfect bullet for thirty yards. That guy out you want in all this shit that drew brees has done for the new orleans saints roll out of you hardly ever can we. We want you want Homeboy from the winston. I rather have him wasting over him. You say i'd rather have hailed rule breach jokes hill in the playoffs last year. The playoffs last year drew brees like we was playing terrible. But i'm guessing being the chiefs. What did i doesn't in the nfc though super bowl we get their guy medal. These great. i'm sam talk with sports features. I'm talking about i. I'm pretty sure even if he's older he's older now. Listen like tom brady hill though. Everyone hates on hill. I like he was bowling. Listen you put them in a game. They should let them in. He's sean payton. You should be fired yesterday. Oh yes okay. i'm hike. I'll tom brady's ball and now they were losing. They came back. I love it. I like him better and belichick. I don't like bill chuck. You know i really. I like but i was. I was route cam newton. He's who he was not he don't have any he doesn't he doesn't have that. Defense is solid but oh he's got enough people to back them up. He like no that row to julian elements hurt like they don't have any weapons nothing about and then they're blaming cam newton. He's like i have no one to throw to receiver. I'm the whole fucking ram my my team. My teams the broncos. They sucked watch ranch because on every fucking day in la but they lost the jets. Yep rams gonna fuck round lose that first. Big ma not jacksonville. Jacksonville forgot about jacksonville. By the way. They got jaguar ravens. Also how did you watch the canal. Fight this week. Oh yeah dominated. Well my fa- my girls from canals hometown guadalajara. Okay fights have these big parties at my house but my mama's born and raised in england. So i root for all english fighters fears my favorite fighter manchester root for all english fighters. So i was ruined for smith. He just told you. I'm ons from there but i think found the best fighter on the planet by my hands down barn on best fighter on the planet. I gotta i gotta disagree kennel. I gotta do but right now. Yup palmful pal yup tears crawford. He has a rape resume to list all really who. Who's last few facts go okay. He didn't fight any. I'm quite big earl. Space guy named his last four fights they were busy fighting a fatal. Almost fatal accident and cup tastes in. Reading danny garcia. That actually means nothing even the tuna fight. It doesn't matter dane. Dan garcia older so he beat a smaller garcia smaller smaller. What's away for the last four or five days also older savy danny. Then he beat up a tiny. You might be canales doing four division world champion. I give me. He goes to their strands. Yes so you know so. You don't smell these undefeated. twenty six. no also he six three thousand five eight. Exactly you come some of us height. He does use his. I was even a competition though. Listen i give you a canellas obese. I wanna i wanna see a very dimitrios andre. I want to fight One of the twins. I wanna see him. Fight triple g again. I want to see if i can give me some contests. Give me i respect. You stop by. Here's last by s- a lot of english dues because you know and then and then he went to middleweight and fought the rushing cat. What's his name. Man at. The roger raja already took his soul. You talking about suck coppola cova now. Now he took his soul to put to know smaller dropped. Knocked them out. Okay okay fight. Charlie fi kayla plant fi some heavy fighting even david ben. Evita's some guys. Billy joe saunders gonna this useless to fight billy joe saunders billy joel b beat okay you think billy joel is top what mentally. I'm charles village owners easy even even with the steroid even said even with him in kenosha was to fight but then he posted this. Yes taste videos and how to beat up a girl -tan but they were supposed to fight. I know just honors a bad motherfucker. Get past the mitch's andreotti billy though. That's a great. I'm glad we got them. You hate on english fighters today. Weights on big sean. My name was an english fighters. But but then you're gonna watch our shit. You know what. I liked to watch love island america. Are you calling you steal in our culture to come down as like our jesus tight you like all right. I'll come back. He gives roddy a little bit. Damp of english filers. Noah's been here. Nobody even with joshua no was being tyson. Joshua joshua's english gets to bronco. Noah's beat tyson fury. We both agree that. I think the world agrees but i'm saying as far as cannella and all jokes aside. I think he should. He's not the best and here's the other thing. Think how long he's been doing. He's thirty years old. He's been doing it along. I give you the his only loss. Whatever a trip to the go his only loss to the grace all time when he was twenty one years. Old down yeah. But he was not ready. That's why that's why didn't we both can agree. That the floyd he became floyd. He's started picking up like floyd tennessee's in his style but i'm saying this. He fights like a real mexican to it comes forward defense. But i'm saying jimmy like a with a ever fight again who no not floyd owen. Now boards the whole. Floyd like canals in his prime. While we'll coit fight cannella for a lot of money week. If i jake paul for payday he's mci. Yeah that's why he's doing tweeted me. People don't understand that y y floyd's fight like paul and the it happening. Why is it have to making money. And it's no threat to yeah. He's tons of views. What wide go figure that out right people. I said almost as long hallway two hundred. He's way big. I told to my boy He's like floyd mayweather cousin. Dewan he was like floyd is in shape though like people joys always in shape. He's he's all these mcdonald all damp time east mcdonalds a ton all the time. All you know raising cane's as well you pull up his fucking phantom and gets Mickey d's easily. He's horrible drink coke drink. Like i'm like god daily beast. Really yeah brent. Pc no diet. Are you just training so much so monster. Yeah that's all you gotta do. I think he's gifted man. He so yet genetics. Like i'm i'm a muslim. I'm like a bigger person. Yeah what's what's the further. You always wanted to actually. What's the further. You bite thirty something house. Like thirty four thirty four. That's that's a long hollow two hours two and a half when you do the san fran top of the year to train january. I could do it now. you can do now. i can do it now through. I'll be your era. What do you call it your helper. Like when people are doing marathons and have their lugging water now. They have someone that runs within. Hell with their pacing spot right. Is that what it's called or not. But he got you. Fan told me that one side come back next time and fans that run okay. So this is submitted by havi underscored nasr on instagram forbes. Released their list ten youtubers making the most money in this year at number one is ryan toy reviews. He made thirty million this year and during his career. I do not know how long he's been on youtube for but he's brought in two hundred million dollars. I wonder he has new from his toy from his toy line. Hold up his way. Line is his youtube. He has his own video game. My son subscribes to all the way it works. So he'll get on there and like milk only nine mill. Not now he's like nineteen. Don't allow radio. he's night. I looked it up yesterday. nine year. old he's a night my thinking you to once a week either. On saturday sunny picks for two hours. But the thing is is he'll get on their slow fucker ryan but the toys toy the toy companies will send him like the new shit and so hope like play with him. He'll show like on the bananas reviews. Yeah and then my son. Mike dad look into that. Can you get me. This fucking ryan's s now. Here's pairs can't such as money right. Because i know dad's all type of labor laws that hollywood hollywood if you're under the age of eighteen and you make money goes into an account that you can activate once you become a legal adult calls. No one else can touch it. It's all your mind youtube youtube. There isn't really like A child labor laws twos when the Setup the camp when he said youtube account like the money from the kid. When i created it i'd to give them a bank account to fund the money into the kids when he started friday four or five so his dad set up. All the bank account sent my skin deposited. Despite count you did ooh vacated drooled our money our money and i got. He's all judea. Gas heared rich well. Hey rich what's also. oh shit. that's how great so okay. I guess that makes sense. Like 'cause i mean youtube videos made. They just makes it so they can't have family started that channel. When he was really young he was just like a kid. Unboxing stuff in his parents would record him put on youtube. He got a huge following. I think he currently has twenty seven. How old is he. He get a show on nickelodeon to old on nine. Nine go to images would make up the gold. Say well us nickelodeon. He looks like i mean. We can't tell which one's the one you're just go to youtube channel or not a where my own waynesville tigers nine entirely is gonna look so much older than i was. He might just be one of those kids holding his. His parents opened the video or this she was She went to jail for some sort of fraud or something. I forgot what it was. Parents have said in videos before that they set aside a lot of money. So you can go to college like he has or what if he wants to go to college. She's nine hall. You mean the one month salary in youtube would pay for college. The god be. I call you my fucking murder house hill. Count him just like set up. We started college win for ryan. He's like bitch. One video paid for call right and so what. I'm going to college for what yeah community he wants. You ought to call career watson actors from harry potter. She stopped acting because she wanted to go to. Brown wanted to receive an education. They're actors like twelve cover. The future i mean if my kid was making sixty million the fucking way. I mean you want to go to college up fun. You know he wants to do that. Just your crazy about this is he. He's still gets to be a kid. Yeah which is cool. You don't like he doesn't have to worry about fame. Yeah he's the most we'll talk about like the act of these shows. Yeah they can't go to regular can't come home after school and knock out one of these video. He's playing with toys like what a kid does and sixteen hours or toys and buys monroe search. Here's his whole mario his his his whole lines in bars. Merch saw shirt look pretty hard. How much is this much. Wazzan target and walmart. This making who money. They've talked about his Virtual dental youtube don't make an adults. You can limits their advertising on kids videos. The youtube limits the advertiser kids videos. I think they're strict. We're with what Is qualified as a like kids content. Because before as long as you check to certain box and said you were making contact for kids. they let you have advertising whatever. Now why am seeing products jerry. More than two hundred million. Yeah again god it too early. Oh fuck we gotta go you to his. Translate you to college same college on. What your cost difference. Good for them his family right. He lived in texas texas so not paying taxes either. Oh he's getting all that money s- parents his parents. You just assume his parents are shady. What if you don't know you're pretty defensive with this kid cat us like shit on the. I'm not sure i don't. I don't trust them not trespass now making forty million dollars a year. You're making money off of. Who would you take his money. Let tiger make those videos. I'm gonna put my kid cannot like them so already. I'm questioned their ethics. Already when you're when you're out in video. And then he's on nickelodeon the dads on the loading. I'm just saying we've seen this story. How many times in hollywood it doesn't it. That's a fair. i think that's fair. I dad can you set up the set so we crank out these videos. You've he wanted to cast their building an empire though not working you. Art shout out to rhyme. I don't know how story ends for know. Hopefully well hopefully well. Oh yeah macaulay culkin doing great. He's doing as good as he can be. Think greats all relative my man. His parents still like all his. That's when that law came right. Yeah where your parents get. Britney spears get known. Her dad owned by britney britney. Start as a kid. Yeah but i'm saying steel. Tuesday yes i think. The court made some Decision with regarding the father he he owns everything. Everything high-power power but you can't see your kids I don't know what's going on. Well fuck your bitch she. I don't know we don't know what she's doing the thing we know she's not doing great but we don't know the severity of the law. Give the father power turning in the kids and the whole thing golf. It must be really bad he there. There's just not gonna do razia say like oh people only know service level of the story and we just know no social media all these people think like oh. This is what it is like. She's getting over. But i know we know her. She went crazy for a little bit. She's not normal even right now. It's hard to watch what she does. It's like she's just they're like like a vessel. Everyone around her. Is you know having a do stuff. And that's in before these childhood akwesasne being a game for mental. Hopefully it works out for ryan though. Yeah i hope so. He's not child actor. We kind of is yes sean. Nicholas his in that life. You know famous move. Glad on move to la at thirty one years old. I can't imagine being imagine in the youngest shoes Justin bieber is where he grew up in front of the camera. He seems good now. Yeah because god. I mean just saying fucking song. How terribles childhood was. It's a great song lonely yet. The videos good parents museum didn't the guy finally stats kind of a piece of schilling. The guy had ordered relationship because our guys starting starting his only video shooting the white guy just like him in good guys and good guys. Hopefully in room used the little boy in room when brie larson. Oh it says always be I think you can get on any like streaming pot for me to talk to man i she. Yeah she's a. He's a great actor but he was he was. I didn't realize talented. I thought his parents his parents. I believe you're really young. They weren't really stable then he kinda popped off and separated so it kinda affected him. Who's getting famous. Yeah good boys boys. Yeah there's a lot he's a beast by the. He's amazing he's acted. Would you gonna handle justin timberlake. Because he's a good he's in good boys. Yeah that's what i was saying. Good boys and us in dr sleep by the way movie wasn't that bad he's gonna hate on. Jt him on rue in room though. So good. I am at the western with you. Get your okay. So i guess the last few weeks tick tock has been doing this weep on their platform where any creature that has their onlyfans linked in their bio has been their account has been suspended or deleted. Then you see a discrepancy with the people who are having their accounts taken out because bigger creators. Like bella thorne. She's on tiktok now. She hasn't linked to her onlyfans by her account is still bear so it seems like they're only getting rid of accounts with an onlyfans link if you're a smaller creator who is in bring in as much revenue. They're kind of like picking and choosing who gets to have their only fans link up and a lot of people have been appealing because a lot of these sex workers are on very clean but just happened to have their onlyfans lincoln. We and tiktok has said that it's because they want to minimize the amount of people logging off of their app. They're only picking and choosing certain ones eared because like The big readers had mojo jig. Paul's fake wife or whatever. She still has her tiktok up and has her onlyfans lane. We're medically i think still does as well. But here's the privately owned companies like being the fuck they want So if you haven't only fans you can't be on tiktok day suspend your account for a while because they say that your account has somehow breached the like sexuality and nudity rule but then on the ad there are also a lot of very underage girls dancing very skimpy outfits. So does that's why a lot of people criticized because a lot of those younger girls. Doing those dances are the bigger People on that platform and so they get to keep their videos up. Because that's what the kids are coming to see. So it's almost like they're picking and choosing who they get to take down and they're just complaining about that he's corporate scum Wow that's very punk of you. Think about it all the time fucking people. Hopefully they can come on instagram. Though i would us yet and this. I just thought it was cool. I was listening to bill. Burr and birt's podcast yesterday and they mentioned that action bronson had lost a lot of weight. Because you've got to weightlifting and look at him. He looks great now. How much do he says. One hundred forty pounds down from three seventy two. He was so how he was big. Big looks great. Now this is the inspiration. You guys need. I'm root for him bronson. Can you say she's still going to shoot. This show is fucking delicious. Yeah because he lost so big. Oh my gosh look. Like non kito epa lido man. Look at them. God damn go. That went up is that that has the top right with someone actually sounds but say to profit him shuttle. He was so good for him. I'm so happy. I this cool. Just show us something. Didn't you show something much like natural reaction. Your today is day you know. I think we should play that. We're gonna have the listening party for him though no right. I love stuff like that. I believe in your. I think y'all can go down. Just dedicate a day. We're not action bronson big bro. I mean we're not like to be inspire you big can do get transformation. I look all of bean was a seven minute mile right now. It's all fun and games not inspiration out of shape very fat. I'm not fat stick with all right. I'll show you have seen this video by now. A hospital worker haven't seen texas will supposed to be given on air october. Nineteen vaccine shot. And then if you look at it the there's like the thing was already depressed. The syringe are depressed and you just touches like that and he takes it out. So i'll just show you the put in his own mother who mother already already down seemed that nothing i was on twitter matters here. Wanna look at one more time are so what are you saying that the vaccines even shake to wanna take brennan. I don't understand what have. Oh that needle inserted anything into him. Nothing they they didn't want to waste on that guy guy no gasket that rubber gasket. It's already depressed all the way down actually injecting things. Do you not think you gotta see this shit dude and on top of it. The double double down. But they're saying oh he did get some of it and then we finished it later on when it's obvious that mine the other we all why well yeah just use the umc admitted one of its workers didn't receive the entire vaccine and that a second shot was administered to around to erase any doubt but it was so they issued to five nurses for the five. Got it. and this guy. Just gonna sketch sketch you. That i guess i don't know maybe it could be them all freaking out and you know there's cameras everyone's watching the guy just didn't put the vaccine. I don't know but for them to say that he got some of it in the got the rest. Later is also weird. Yeah bro we trash retrial for the longest vaccines vaccine. It's fe josh five. Nothing's easy trash. Oh bro kid just never satisfied never satisfied right we touched. Oh man okay. Do you guys have heard Watch that show on. I think it was on. Abc fresh off the boat. I love that show. They browse their version of blackish right. I mean i never seen either. No no it's not committed a black man. It was dope. It's basically rogin. We his life us like the executive producer. Something but then they changed entirely. It was pissed off anyways the way the child eddy the black. So it's based off his life memoir Change it up allowance to the network. Of course he changed it so this guy wanted the stars he. He's now daw was huge. You know that he's like damn near six feet right now. He's a cow long the wrong road. Here's ryan swept up. Shot into them and dad won't see dead people he looks like you got really big for while. And he looked like mcilhenny. What's the philadelphia. Show a doctor. He played a character on that. Need him in mclean actually looked like do i let me see his mom's filming this as kids. An actor who just got accepted to harvard a applied on my phone. Okay oh my god i love is do yeah forward. The community has admitted the harvard classics. Twenty twenty old is he played twenty twenty five some four years. Yeah part draw. He's hit early program to he's super. He's smart. I gotta go to ball pool that guy. That's like an asian parents time the lawn and social. This would be the number one gift accurate average if my parents really. Yeah it's like this are becoming a dog. Yeah hard for white black or asian parents. Home airline just knows harvey live in bausch and faulk yeah. Buses dope sucks in the winter. Though the town harbor would be insane That's crazy big fan of i wrote the book. Your date theme song. I never saw his show cameron. Do it I think it'd be another season. Remember it made news because the girl was like oh man. It's gonna go on again. She wanted to do other things. The main woman. Oh yeah heels it by the way you know. She didn't want to sign on again but then renewed she got pissed off and people went off on her because she was like. You've got renewed for a hitch. Show because she wanted. She wanted to own thing want. He said that she got another project lined up if it didn't show dinning continue so she was just bummed out by. She couldn't do another because that was like right after Crazy rich asians. So rose yeah. She's the main girl crazy she gets. It's any sort of kinda romcom. it's good. I mean if you want to see wrong. She she's stripper movie. Yes she's also in hustler's with a girl named jaylo ask kiki palmer. That's we are amazing now. The child star did you. Did you see that I was on social media that the kid whose dad passed away from cancer and the kid turned twenty one. He didn't know it but the dad left the the sister and the mom ten dollars so the kid could bias first beer. He's the guy won't be there but here's ten dollars for bear bear b. e. r. That's shit up. That's pretty cool. Though is the dow's i can't be there but i want you to buy your first and then budweiser cinema. Whole fucking a hundred thousand beers or something. We don't even drink on passed away from cancer. Just dad leaves No son ten dollars do there there. It is where this one from indian express is the kid twenty. Just just don't i'm i'm asking you say he loved them. Play the up almost six years ago before my dad passed. Get my sister this ten dollar bill to give me on my twenty first birthday birthday so he could buy me my first beer cheers pop. That's so sweet. And and scroll down. Chen other from canada and then Iser bush then. I'm like shit on a beer. It's just means that but that's pretty cool right. I just very sad. What did you read. This is done my newsfeed and twitter. All right ed. Someone kept tagging us in this. And i don't know i don't know who was but then it just shows us incredibly thick bear. Oh wow that's the action bronson this real or i mean my god exhausted or might be pregnant. Could be a female prego but even so that is just gigantic severely. Fake you abuse eaten alive exactly. I mean it's just so and round the beer super. It almost does like you wanna like this question. Be tough in nature to get that. Fat cubans are leaving like crazy food for overnight. Thank you this neighborhood or garbage. How can make this though. Because i think it's fake i. I don't know how to get that way no way. I've never seen anything like this. No you said he might be pregnant. Even the pregnancy is a number. Thank o.'neil all my. They can't be far bottom right politics to everything boston. So thick wait big. Bears do exist. Will they get real fat for the winter. Because they're not they here but dan. Let's say this adorable. Oh irregular bayer through. Those things will go. Beers are fucking scary. Scary they go to montana. You're sania grizzly bear. The went not once the so. There's been a few brown show. I don't talk about me. My girl took the family to helen. Raised and we went to pasadena. Eat it on the lawn. And i was sitting these short god shorts on the short shorts and i was like eating my. I guess my girl goes. You're not you're hanging nawab. He he is. You know what's sad is. I can't touch them because how race. That's just you don't wanna put your light. He's just say posted up louisville burris that reminds. There's this This this guy's house burned down colorado guy losses home right. And he's he's he's on the front. I'm never he's on the front page of the denver post which is like ellie times. It's like the new york post you've ever poses the big magazine denver. And he's all sad and he's like all he has left is like this little like this bag and he's like like despire times like this poor guy and no one notices and they take a picture and his house burnt down behind. All sad be has cut off. Jean shorts on the front covers newspaper. His nuts are hanging out the send. Ripostes man's hang out the front. Is that a big deal. Oh the biggest deal. They had to pull. The newspapers is so funny. I think he sued. 'em hopefully bought a house with the money. Oh so testicles. Hang out right. Yeah that's a conspiracy. Nuts denver post with. We can look forward to please let this be still around Yeah if we just got google with right thing Denver post for sure pretty sure that a rocky mountain news. Those is all judy. Colorado just do colorado newspaper man's testicles hangs out. yeah obviously it only really look it up jay. We know he's a home fire. Right is a home fire. He lost everything front cover all but he sued the newspaper. Yeah he got money so you got a new house. Maybe maybe so if anyone that can find it police send and he said to the front still funny nuts. Hey i mean you're talking about front page in newspapers or newspapers. It's like in the ninety day. Just he's all san fran is nuts in. Nobody noticed that someone just missed it a lot of racist humor. you know. it's probably midnight. It was like finally cemented like sand. Well he'll be back to fall river on a box and this whole Sure you type type type in Front page newspaper man's not there. We have to find it. You put nuts really dolls. Bulls wall st nuts. I there it is that this is actual guy is rocky mountain way. He's what is your forum. Yeah well this is coming. I wonder if they have actually. It says maybe too old to be available. the image. that sucks. Well let me google search on the front page. Rock that tesco. Let's do this. Oh there goes oh man. That's where he'll back anybody. Remember this unfortunate guide. The story was nuts out on this one but they have a link to the story. Yes there you go. Yeah i can't see it though. That's a bad picture somewhere here. Though no you you can see there. It's not you can snatch his. That's all it's all year eighteen years rocky mountain news. This shitty scan doesn't do the that ball justice. I'm telling me is clear days. Nuts them sitting on the thing. If you want me like cool man the let's get the cabinet. Hey steer off that way into the sunset sold bitch is this superset story really is a big deal in colorado man. So i'm sure we have five isn't that name was fred flu. Can anyone see this name. It's so blurry rare here red fin no not today would be to blur blurry. All right well. We know it's the rocky mountain. That's crazy house regular house in the ashes down but not out. I must do our job fired. What if you wanted to quit. He's been great. Yeah i'm gonna go out balls up. I'm just going to do it all in his boots and shit just lost sir. Just when thinks get any worse. Let me try one more thing. June twenty fourth two thousand two. I don't know man how. How can we saw a good picture there. The if you type in rocky mountain news man's nuts right pretty cute sales pitch man man's notes hanging out now only that same one. what what. Okay okay. okay the rocky mountain news rest in peace. There's somebody's many here. let's see there. We go let's go. I'll mansi yes you can see nut hanging out to you. Say a little bit later. Clear day it's stuck on style like a battling. It's that's hilarious. That buddy video fucking funny this a big cool This is from just ran. This is instagram so some some neighbor guy was choke on steak and then he went to his other neighbour. Who's a female woman. And then she was able to get the steak lodged. Knock on the door. You're panicking. oh he's joking. he's joking. Sure how long it takes to show. What where's she at. Get you back into a girl. He knows that ambulance was going to be expensive own. Call now how breathe. i'm good. is that crazy. That was weird. He was called nine one one. She jumped in action. She was like boom right away. Would i would be like what's going to someone doors all right. I'm good thank you choked before. Which would you say. Thank to choke for me. It's rice is how how down in rice. And then if i like swallow too much you feel it right here. Oh damn close to joke wall water but if it doesn't go all the way through you can feel the energy jilin there your whole damn take down the total off rice. I'm gonna fucking piece of steak today. That much. Each not rice or steak will do how god i can't believe everybody. I stayed quiet. You choked to put down. I don't know. I don't know he's going to be savage cat. I was like. I wanna eat fish. Sometimes if you swallow bone and gets stuck right here salmon salmon catfish bit children on long utah. What i'm really trying to take you down. We don't do what do you. What does this big long salon right on. No trying to slow de. Well hold on who not a lot today. Okay one more to follow big things what. I don't know what this is exactly but this is all these for life. And then i just saw this on my own an account old life underscore but i mean so i thought it was old people but i guess it's oldies jam so i can't really play music but this is an old dude break dancing and check out check. How good is seen this. There's oh full this. Leonardo dicaprio like twenty years break dance. He kills news younger. Did you see wolf wolf good movie. Everybody's not freaking out unknown. They just like big bitches. Like whatever larry right yeah he probably do this. Okay sean. he might just say this all the time and he smooths fog tall to full. Is that got you your word fire. You know used to fall back and fuck i own little bit dope all right man. Is that a chin. That's it all right. Did you take off at harvard. What you did this stuff everything. I didn't have to take it second. We were just talking official. I'm gonna catch delivered. Thank you yes this. This crew will be in west palm beach. All shows sold out palm beach florida. Get your tan is there. I'm just general. Admission is left. Vip sold out. That is december thirty first through january. Second and then. This crew will also be in texas to shows on friday to shows on saturday january twenty ninth through the thirtieth san marcos texas right outside of austin right outside san antonio kind in the middle there san marcos texas. Get your mind right. That show will sell out. We had a very special guest there as well. The san marcos texas january nine hundred thirtieth t k dot com for tickets thick boy smiley gear just dropped. Get it while it's hot. Gooding smiley hoodies. tease hats. We got it all their the hoodie. I'm wearing right now. is available. Tee shirts sweats. We have think. Boy sweats there as well and we restock the tide. I and the leave hoodies as well. And the hats thick boy dot com that it fellas dope we out talk a fine. Kate put a seat on the everybody on him. Personally with the kids and the kids the put his own zone dance video. Chia seed kei and put up on. If you're looking for the new squad this is a boy is malik. Be chef pell in the thick boy worked shift. Malik with into motivated always going are like chapelle in the next episode. Already come on patient army. And we still with the fighter and tif occa- put his seat on the amber everybody going and wake up early in the morning presley. Let's because we rock in with the fighter rain. He rolling with the kids. Kate put his own of the fighter and the kids. Tracing lee began. Today's meditation with the few sipping exercises to remind us. A little treat can go a long way so pick up your mcafee. Iced coffees close. Your eyes and deep deep satisfaction out a treat retreat at mcdonald's right now mcafee iced coffee and any size and any flavor for just ninety nine cents until eleven am price. Participation may vary lee began. Today's meditation with the few sipping exercises to remind us. A little treat can go a long way so pick up your mcafee. Iced coffees close. Your eyes and deep deep satisfaction out a treat retreat at mcdonald's right now mcafee iced coffee and any size and any flavor for just ninety nine cents. Tell them fm am price of participation may vary.

charles manson terry melcher sharon tate tex watson Susan atkins justin timberlake Manson omaha charles Jim movin beffa chatsworth elbaum spahn ranch Boys house The beach beach sony universal charles mets tom o
Helter Skelter Special Part 1

Cherry Avenue True Crime Podcast

38:52 min | 10 months ago

Helter Skelter Special Part 1

"Today's episode is brought to you by Romer skincare based out of Chicago Romer launched a work-from-home Clean Skin Care line that covers all your skin needs. They proved that you don't need a million serums and eye creams to get better skin why we love them clean ingredients and effective results with just a simple three-step routine that you and even your partner can share off right now Romer skincare is offering our listeners 15% off and a gift with your first purchase by using the code listener fifteen that's code. Listener 15 on their website Romer skincare.com. No stress no clutter. Just happy skin. Welcome back to Cherry Avenue True Crime podcast. We now have more goodies available on patreon for as little as $1 a month. You can Garner some of these fun goodies such as stickers pins and magnets as well as a shout out on the show. You can also go to the website and my dog One-time donation via Paypal at Cherry Avenue True Crime. Shout out to Texas. You have beat out California as the state with my most listeners. Love. You may come on, California, Florida, Illinois. And Ohio you all are in my top five. My home state of Michigan is number 7, but at least you are final in the top ten now Love U, Michigan go Red Wings. Shout out to Ontario Brighton and Hove Berlin Glasgow City and Manitoba as the top five cities outside of the US. Love you guys so much. This is a true crime podcast. This episode contains details of extreme violence and murders listener discretion is strongly advised. This is part one of a two-part episode on Helter Skelter. The Manson Murders the details on everyone involved what led up to it. What happened afterward? This was a truly horrific murder spree. Sometimes I think the humanity of the victims is really lost in all the Charles Manson and craziness humans are always looking to belong looking for their people looking for people like themselves craving a connection of some kind Manson played into this at one of the easiest times in history. Pull it off. He didn't even know what type of world he was walking out into when he was released from prison in nineteen sixty-seven, but he was good at adapting quickly after years of trying to survive abusive care from relatives and then people in the reform schools and boys homes and the prisons. He came out with his pimp knowledge and his Dale Carnegie's how to make friends and influence people education along with his gift of being able to turn into or seem like what people wanted. He didn't change into what he wanted until they were well well ensnared, The family was not allowed to read anything. But the Bible once they were they're part of the family. The girls were subjected to knowing that they didn't question Charlie. They were not to talk about their pasts off their lives started when they met Charlie Charlie could talk about his past about prison about what he had gone through to get where they were to lead them but they didn't have pass one woman that was brought to the ranch recruited by another male family member was introduced to Charlie when he was naked Charlie did not put on clothes and he stood up bowed to her wage everything out there and swinging and said welcome Madam. She did not respond. So he said something about her being one of those women who made men afraid to show their pecker told them now he was just being rude. He asked her if her papa taught her to be polite. She told him her papa told her not to put up with men like him doing what he was doing. He told the guy who brought her to take her away. She didn't belong while they walked away. He told them to move quicker as he didn't want to see any more of her piggy face off. He would make comments about the girls having tiny female brains that couldn't comprehend if they ever dared question him about anything used all he learned in prison on how to get them to be devoted to a gym. I want to start with a brief account of the victims from the first night the people who are so mercilessly slaughtered and we will go into more detail later Sharon Tate and Jay-Z ring were by all accounts two of the nicest people in Show Business Sharon and Jay had once been engaged but we're now just good friends Sharon having married the very famous director of the time Roman Polanski and being eight months pregnant with their son. J was the hair stylist to the stars and had close friends and Paul Newman and Steve McQueen among many others voytek. Frykowski was a friend of Roman polanski's from Poland. They've met while in school. He was a writer and helped produce Romans first movie Abigail Folger was a Harris to the Folger Coffee Fortune. She was also a social worker. She invited we're seeing each other Steven parent was just an eighteen-year-old boy who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. As I said, we will get into more detail on all of them. They were so much more than just what happened to them that one night. The initial TV news reports went along these lines a movie actress and four of her friends were murdered. This was at the home of movie director Roman Polanski. It was his wife eight months pregnant who was one of the victims the others were a male hairdresser the heiress to a g Fortune a writer and a boy barely out of high school. Different news outlets said things such as bodies were scattered inside on the lawn and on the driveway in all my years. I have never seen anything like this is done the city and shock the world. Winifred Chapman arrived to the main house to work at 8:30 a.m. August 9th where she found bodies she called the police two bodies were found inside the house one in a vehicle on the driveway and two of them on the lawn. Now, let's go back to the beginning before this happened. What happened that led up to this horrible Carnage and heartbreak? Charles Manson was born November 12th. Nineteen thirty-four in benwood McGuckin, West Virginia a small Mill mining town. It is said that there are a lot of stories that Charles Manson made up about his childhood. There were some crazy interviews from prison and some of the stories he told were true and some were not he told a lot of stories which have been discounted somehow or another. It was true though that his uncle did in fact make him go to school in a dress at age five in first grade. It was also true that his mother was not a great caregiver and patient. In fact go to jail for strong arm robbery when he was for. Charlie's grandmother was fundamental Christian and raised her kids under the strict guidelines. You had to go to church every Sunday. There was no going to the movies. No dancing Etc off Kathleen. Charlie's mother rebelled and went dancing in the town across the river from hers Kathleen got pregnant by a married man Colonel Scott. He was not a military man off his given name Colonel they met at a dance hall. She came home pregnant and unwed in the nineteen thirties and belonged to a fundamentalist Christian family. She was only sixteen that was not good. She was the example in the family of bad things that happened if you don't follow the rules, William Eugene Manson had met Kathleen at one of these dance halls as well. He married Kathleen before Charlie was born and he was well aware that she was pregnant with another man's child. They were married on the 21st of August 1934 and Charles was born on November 12th. Nineteen thirty-four. He was named Charles Manson in honor of his deceased wage grandfather. William Manson divorce Kathleen for being unfaithful when Charlie was 2 and 1/2 Kathleen often went on drunken adventures with her brother Luther. William Manson alleged gross neglect of Duty for the divorce in nineteen thirty-seven Kathleen then did an armed robbery with her brother Luther who held up a man with a ketchup bottle to the back of his neck and said it was a gun the guy didn't believe him so Luther struck him over the head with the bottle and then he and Kathleen fled with the man's wallet. They were arrested August 4th. 1939. Charlie had to go live with his Aunt Glenna and Uncle Bill. It was his uncle that took him to visit his mother in prison. She was behind the wall behind a thick glass repetition and that scared the four and half year old boy who cried to get to her his uncle did not like that. He had to be tough even at 4 or going on five and not cry because he was a boy Uncle Bill was a Stern disciplinarian and apparently had no empathy. Then in first grade, he had a horrible teacher who was mean two boys in particular and she put him in the back of the class with kids. She determined to be the dummies. He came home crying about this and his uncle decided then to humiliate him with address. He basically said if he was going to cry like a little girl he had to dress like one. He was just a little boy whose mom was in prison. Imagine how horrible School in life was for him after that. He had a horrible nasty teacher for first grade and then was made to wear a dress to school this storm one of the worst. He was taken to church and this is where he learned the Bible the Nazarene way the Bible would feature in much of the commune cult that he wanted. He heard about women being subservient to them and he heard about the Book of Revelations. He had an incredible memory. He was like a sponge. His mom got out of prison after 3 years into her five-year sentence because of good behavior. She took Charlie back moved to another small town and got a job at a grocery store. I wouldn't stay in school and often left school after she dropped him off he would turn up at her work or a truant officer would come to her work and tell her that Charlie had left school. Eventually, she turned him over to a boys school gibault school for boys ran by Catholic priests punishment for even a small infraction was beatings with a wooden paddle or leather strap he gave away from gibault and spent Christmas with his mother and then she took him back to the boys home and turned him back in less than a year later. He ran away to Indianapolis and he did some petty crime there and was eventually caught a judge sent him to Boystown a juvenile hall in Omaha, Nebraska. He lasted for days there and got some other boys together and they stole a car that belonged to a priest. There is no doubt that his childhood was a sad one. I don't wish that on any child a neighbor and fellow Sunday school attendee who knew him when he was little spoke about how sad his childhood dream was. She said she always thought that a little of a little understanding might have made a difference. He was sent to the Indiana boys school the state reform school and he didn't do well there either he was always on the smaller side and he was picked on and even sadder was sexually abused in a rush out and ended up an increasingly tougher and worse schools. This is where he eventually developed the wild crazy look that would protect him. He looked so scary so much like a lunatic that it was taken that he could do anything. You just didn't know and most guys would back off. His last place was a maximum security detention facility in Chillicothe. This was a last-ditch effort place where they put kids that were problems to the extent that they just needed a place to keep them until they were Twenty-One this time though. He behaved he tried hard in school and he was given the honor award which they apparently did not give out very often. He got out went back to mcmaken and he got a job. He got married just a few months after Rosalie. Charlie's wife worked at a grocery store and they moved into a little house in mcmechen home neighbor said that when she went to the reception Charles was the happiest she had ever seen him but then his wife got pregnant and there were medical bills Charlie took a second job, but it was not enough and he went on to steal cars at this time. His mother had moved to California with her new husband Charlie convinced his pregnant wife to go with him to California. He stole a car to drive them there instead of getting rid of the car when they got there. He drove it around and eventually got pulled over. He was apprehended when police took note of his out-of-state plates and called on them finding out it was stolen. His wife had a baby boy while in prison Jeff guinn author of Manson The Life and Times of Charles Manson was interviewed in the epics documentary. He said he talked to psychologists on why he would make such mistakes deep down. He always wanted to be in prison that he felt safe there and subconsciously doing these dumb things so he could get back to where he felt secure wage. In prison, he learned to play guitar from a famous gangster era killer Alvin creepy karpis. He learned just enough from the sales person's Bible How to Win Friends and Influence People the day Carnegie course that they were offering in California prisons. He also learned about pimping from real pimps in jail. The main points he picked up there was how to control the women how to make them dependent upon you and the final learning he found beneficial in the growing of this cult family was from some of the teachings of Scientology some of the things ideas from Dale Carnegie's Concourse that Charlie especially liked were these how to get the best of an argument is not to get into one. In the epics documentary Helter Skelter of former inmate who is in with Charlie told a story of how Charlie was playing his guitar outside in the yard a guard told him Charlie. He can't play your guitar over here. You have to go over there and play it Charlie just kept playing anyway, then the guard said, you know, you ain't get ever getting out of here. Charlie just said out of where man. Don't give them anything to tear into in the guitar playing example. Charlie did not argue and he did not give him anything to tear into what is there to say two out of where I am. And I know people who lived argue argue about anything practically. I think we all know someone or more than one person like that. If you give those type of people any real response, they will use whatever it is there to argue with you. If you give them a response like Charlie did they got nothing now that works for those type of people but it also works for normal people who want to question things. That's probably the main way that Charlie used it when he got out of prison. Always let the other guy think the idea is his he would drop hints usually with one of the girls and then she would say I have an idea it was dropping a seed off when he left terminal Island the prison he had a goal in mind of being a pimp. He listened to the pimps in prison. They told him how to find the right girls find young women who are bent but not broken off emotionally disturbed but not completely gone. Then you have to make them depend on you. You have to keep them from talking to family or friends. Keep them from outside influences. You control every aspect of their lives. You have to be the only person they can turn to He ended up back in prison before he could make much of a go of pimping he tried it but didn't make enough money or at least as much as he wanted and he had to do other illegal things which landed him back in prison off. But this time it was in Mcneil Island around Seattle. This is where Manson met Alvin creepy karpis. He plays steel guitar and Manson got lessons from him. This is also where Manson learns about scientology Manson is particularly interested in the theory that your body is a vessel that you are temporarily in and greater. Things are always possible. You have the opportunity to be this great Glory as being and you have probably seen this before and it's just a matter of accepting your nature. Charlie gets out in 1967 and he grows his hair long and he sees what's going on. He heads out to Berkeley. He looks like he fits in except he didn't care about Vietnam War and he didn't care about the other causes of equality. He saw with free love that he was going to have to revamp his ideas about being a pimp again. The thing he can work with is the fact that young people are feeling alienated like they don't belong Mary Brunner is a librarian in Berkeley when she meets Charles Manson, she's from the Midwest and she is dressed like a librarian not a hippie. He met her when she was walking her dog and he used the dog something to talk about use the Dale Carnegie techniques. They become quick friends and Manson tells her that he doesn't have a place to stay at the moment Mary offers to let him stay at her place for a few nights off they start to sleep together and it becomes more like a relationship. She goes to work and Charlie goes out to work on his music. Then he starts bringing other girls back with him. He uses the free-love ideas of days to convince her that this is okay and she eventually comes to terms with sharing him. Gurus were a big thing. Then there were many philosophers speaking to the kids in Golden Gate Park in San Francisco. Charlie hangs around the park and listens to them. He gradually started his own little group Mary Brunner a wholesome looking blonde then Lynette Fromme who was a runaway and what time Known as squeaky with a short red hair pixie cut Patricia krenwinkel long medium brown hair and sturdy and Susan Atkins who had long dark hair and quite a background Charlie still wanted a music career. So they moved they went from San Francisco down to La they picked up another girl there Diane who was only fourteen or fifteen at the same time and she would have sex with Charlie that very night. She said she was already sexually active at this point, but he made love to her that night and it was magic Paul Watkins met the girl when he bought some weed off them. He became Manson's Chief recruiter for young women Bobby beausoleil entered the picture not long after that. He was nicknamed cupid is all the girls liked him. He was a troubled kid who had gone to reform school, and he wanted to be a musician like Manson there were more and more young people joining the family. They soon found Spahn Ranch and they moved right in and took over. Some of the girls were hitchhiking one day and got picked up by Dennis Wilson the drummer for The Beach Boys. He met Charlie and somehow hit it off. And then Charlie in a group of the girls were practically living at Dennis box house out in the Pacific Palisades for a while. Dennis was the one that got Terry Melcher to come out and listen to Charlie's music this gave Charlie a lot of Hope for his music career Charlie wrote his own songs and performed them for all of them. Dennis was generous to the people. He tried to help Dennis has friends at the time said that people would come and listen to Charlie to humor Dennis Wilson had a sort of habit of finding this fits in wage and trying to help them in some way Charles Tex Watson is picked up hitchhiking by Dennis Wilson and Dennis takes him back to his house where Charlie and the girls are he was from a small town in Texas and the people back there. I thought he would be one to grow up and do great things his dad had a gas station there and he would help out. He went off to college and discovered drugs. He left college and ended up in California where he met the family. He was enchanted by the girls and Charlie. When the Beach Boys went off to tour Dennis left Charlie and the girls at his house come to find out there were huge bills of things that they were charging to his accounts and having delivered. For example one bill was around $500 for Dairy Delivery Wilson, finally saw he was being taken advantage of they moved back to spawn Ranch. The upheaval from 67 to 69 as well covered in Helter Skelter documentary on Epix. It's a new documentary and very well done interesting and informative. There were protests and riots Charlie thought that black people were inferior. But he was also afraid of them. The Beatles White Album was one he would play over and over for the family package. This is where he got the idea to tell everyone that the helter-skelter apocalypse was coming Charlie played it over and over in the members of the family listened to the keywords blackbirds piggyback Piggies were the rich or well-off white people. According to Charlie there is debate as to whether Charlie really believed any of this was going to happen or if you just used it as as Guru prophecy lhasa fee to keep the kids enthralled and with a purpose of some kind there were race riots in every major city. So Manson translating the Helter Skelter song to mean this is happening was his way of projecting something that he could show them was true unlike the music career. They were along the lines that God was ready to end this chapter and to start it again with his chosen people. He told them how the black man would take over but would find they didn't know how to rule so they would come to him to them and they would help them roll. They would hide in the desert and thought it was over. They would be waiting to roll because he claimed the black people wouldn't know how to do. So without a white person and they would go to the only way people left which would be the family package automatically Charlie. For the move to Death Valley, they met a girl whose grandparents had a place out there. This went with Charlie's thing that the bottomless pit that they should be in while the race war would be out there with bottomless pit was mentioned in the Book of Revelations the Charlie Red, he told them that they would move into this bottomless pit when the real race wars were going on. He convinced them that they were all going to rule the world. Some former family members were interviewed and they said that Charlie was convinced that the Beatles were sending him subliminal messages and that he became obsessed with it. Charlie was still trying to make it into music though. He went back to LA to try one more time. Some say Melcher had left it off that he would be in touch but wasn't others say he had already told Charlie that it wasn't going to happen. But Charlie couldn't let go Charlie told them that all the people in Hollywood did not value their word and that where he was from prison. If you didn't value your word you may die. He then put it all into the race horses and living in Death Valley until that happened. It was all about money to live out there after that. They went out there and checked it out, but they didn't move out there yet off. There was an issue with the drug dealer called lots of Papa and tex Watson Bernard Crow was his real name lots of Papa. He gave text the money for a significant amount of drugs, but never got the drugs Bernard kro, started to make threats including killing everyone at the ranch Charlie actually took a twenty-two and shot Bernard kro in the gut kro survive, but Charlie didn't know that a newspaper report came out around that time saying that the body of a black panther had been found and Charlie thought that meant Bernard Crow was a black panther and that he was who he shot Charlie became much more paranoid and anxious after that. He was convinced the Black Panthers were going to kill everyone on the ranch. He tried to get enough weapons for the family and he posted Lookouts he gave them all six inch buck. Knives and showed them how to throw them. Apparently, he was very accurate with his throw. He also showed them how to stick the knife in and make sure to move it around to get as many organs as possible dead. Charlie's personality changed. He was aggravated all the time. Not the free spirit that they thought he had been he became very serious about protection and being armed is when Danny DeCarlo in the straight Satan's motorcycle club came into it. They had visited recently in Charlie asked them to come stay on the ranch for protection. They brought a lot of guns and other weapons wage restarted the family kids on a creepy-crawly missions where they were dressed up in Black clothing. They snuck into people's homes and moved furniture or other items around Charlie said, this was Tong instill fear. One of the girls Diane talked about this time and she said they were seeing the other side of Charlie. He was getting violent having hit some of the girls on different occasions one time. She noticed that he was Disturbed and she asked him if he was okay if there was anything that she could do for him and he just turned around and slapped her. On another night. She was feeling like she hadn't been with Charlie in a long time. And so she came on to him. He took her out to a trailer or a caravan and she said instead of being magical like it was the first time I met them. It was brutal. He roughly sodomized her and it was horrible. She was bleeding afterwards and she went to the creek and just sat in it. She said she was really lost after that. He did indeed get them to depend on him. She was so lost and sad that she seriously thought about taking her own life and jumping off the cliff behind Spahn Ranch Bobby busel. I tried to get party drugs for the straight Satan's motorcycle club. One of the things he got was mescaline and they didn't like it because it didn't mix well with the other stuff that they were on they wanted their money back Bobby to get it Bobby went over with Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner to Gary hinman's house. Gary Hinman had just been doing him a favor by hooking him up with the mescaline and didn't have the money to give back to him. One of the girls called Charlie and said that it had all gotten out of control and that they couldn't get the money back from Gary Charlie came over and just slashed Gary in the face with a knife. He told Bobby he did it to teach him how to be a man. Bobby stayed with Gary and tried to take care of the wound. He stayed the whole next day becoming increasingly desperate. He didn't want to take Gary to the hospital because he would be going to prison Gary home actually insisted on it. Bobby called Charlie and told him he didn't know what to do Charlie told him. He did know what to do, and he knew it just as well as he did. He ended up stabbing to death. Someone wrote with blood on the wall, but Bobby didn't remember doing it. It could have been Susan or Mary or Bobby. They wrote political piggy. This was July 26th. Nineteen sixty nine thirteen days until the murders at Sharon Tate's home. Gary's body wasn't found until almost a week later on July 31st. Charlie went on a road trip to esalen Institute near Big Sur on August 4th. He took his guitar and went to show them his musical Talent. He was not happy when they were not impressed. They drove back down the coast towards La August 8th. Nineteen sixty nine. He got back and told them it was time for Helter Skelter. He gathered together Susan Atkins Tex Watson, Linda Kasabian and Patricia krenwinkel. They were told to get a change of clothing knife and driver's license. He told the girls to do whatever text said text was told to take a knife a gun and a change of clothes text said give an exact orders including what to write on the walls. Manson told Susan Watkins to leave a sign something witchy Atkins said she and texted some cocaine was something else mixed in and she said it was basically speed off Atkins said they drove to the house with instructions to kill everyone in the house. Sharon Tate was not only an incredibly beautiful actress. She was also a very nice person by all accounts Roman her husband said all of you know how beautiful she was but only few of you know, how good she was the last few months the last few years that I spent with her were the only time of true happiness in my life. Sharon was a regular in fashion magazines as a model and cover girl and she had small parts on T before moving into movies. She played Jennifer North in the 1967 cult classic Valley of the Dolls. The movie is interesting and Sharon does a good job with the character. The book Valley of the Dolls is a must-read in my opinion. She was nominated for a Golden Globe award for Valley of the Dolls. She was also in the nineteen sixty-six I of the devil and nineteen sixty-seven The Fearless Vampire Killers, which was directed by Roman Polanski her future husband. She was in this 1968 The Wrecking Crew with Dean Martin. Sharon Murray Tate was born on January 24th 1943 in Dallas, Texas. She was the first born of three girls. Her dad was a US Army Officer and the family moved a lot. She had thought she would go to school to study Psychiatry, but eventually ended up in the entertainment industry. Jay Sebring was literally a hairdresser to the male Stars he cut hair for Henry Fonda Steve McQueen and Paul Newman. He made a great deal of money doing this like Sharon. He was said to be very personable a very nice person. Everyone liked him. He and Sharon had been previously engaged and they had lived together for three years by all accounts. He was still hung up on her. She obviously scared a great deal for him and she spent a lot of time with him and they were together in their last moments J was born Thomas John Coomer on October 10th, 1933 and was known professionally as JC bring he was born in Alabama, but grew up in the middle class suburbs of Southfield, Michigan Sebring served in the Navy for four years and fought in the Korean War. He moved to Los Angeles and started using the name Jay Sebring J for the first initial of his middle name and Sebring for the famous Florida car race. At a time when Barbers charged a dollar to $2 for a haircut Sebring charged $50 or more he flew to Las Vegas. Every three weeks to cut the hair of Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis jr. He later designed the doors. Jim Morrison's free-flowing style when you're good. You're good voytek. Frykowski was born in Poland and December twenty second nineteen thirty-six thousand and skiing frykowski met at a school dance Polanski serving as the doorman for the dance that night wouldn't let Frank house key into the venue. He knew he had a rough reputation. They almost got into a brawl but instead had drinks together and became good friends beneath his tough exterior Boychuk was good-natured soft-hearted to the point of sentimentality and utterly loyal Polanski later wrote of his dear friend. A year after they moved to Los Angeles frykowski and Folger house at 4 Polanski at 10050 Cielo Drive the to watch the house while plans can't a truck in London, but Polanski was so busy with his next film project that it was decided Tate who was eight months pregnant would go back to stay with Frank house key and Folger at their house until their baby arrived. Abigail Folger was born on August 11th. Nineteen forty three and would die just two days before her 26th birthday born into a wealthy family the heiress to the Folger Coffee Fortune. She graduated from Wofford University with an art history degree. She worked as a social worker in New York and then LA on August 8th. Nineteen sixty nine Tate had been home for three weeks after visiting Polanski who was directing a film in London Tate was 8 and 1/2 months pregnant and her husband asked for a Kowski and Folger to stay at the house with her until he returned home. Steven Earl parent was born on February 12th. Nineteen fifty-one the firstborn child of Wilfred and Juanita parent Steven graduated from Arroyo High School in June of 1969 planning to attend Citrus Junior College in Azusa. So in September, he was working two jobs to save up money for his tuition in Late. July Steven picked up a page her name William Garrison Garretson was the summer caretaker for the property located at 10050 Cielo drive when he dropped Garretson off at the property the caretaker Steven to feel free to drop by any time. On Friday evening, August 8th 1969 Stephen headed to Cielo Drive Stephen had a Sony AM FM digit Matic clock radio. He wanted to try to sell to William Garretson home. He arrived on the property around 11:45 p.m. Garretson declined by the clock radio, but gave Stephen a can of beer before he left Steven used the guest house phone to call a UCF student by the name of John Friedman. He was building freedom in a stereo. It was roughly around 12:15 a.m. When Steven left the guest house and headed for his car his father's white 1966 Nash Ambassador, which was in the driveway. There would have been no reason for anyone in the house at the top of Cielo drive to be afraid of any dangerous Intruders. The house was at the top of a series of winding roads. Nice nice area increasingly higher and nicer homes sprinkled about not as many homes as there are now on the road that leads up to clo. The house had a gate at the end of its driveway. There were four people in the house with Sharon that night. I'm sure she felt safe. I doubt anyone imagined someone coming in to harm them let alone a group of people. As The Killers went in a car was driving towards them. It was eighteen year old Steven parent Watson had a 22 caliber Buntline revolver that had a nine inch barrel text shot. The gun four times. Steven parent was killed. Watson went in through the dining room window which was cracked open. He pushed it up as far as it could go took the screen off and then climbed in through their he then went around to the front door and let Adkins a chemical in they both had knives text told them to go to the back of the house and see if anyone else was there. They passed Abigail Folger reading in bed in her room Abigail looked up at them most likely thinking they were guests of Sharon's and waved. Text found voytek frykowski on the couch wojtek said to him, who are you text told him? I'm the devil and I'm here to do the devil's business. Everyone in the house was then gathered up and brought into the living room Watson hit JC bring in the face with the butt of the gun. He was shot and then stabbed seven times Abigail Folger ran. Wow out of the back of the house krenwinkel chased her with a knife and left a fingerprint on the shutters of the back door krenwinkel chased her to the front yard and jumped on top of her and stabbed her repeatedly. She was stabbed a total of 28 times wojciech frykowski tried to run out of the house and text chased him out the front door and stabbed him repeatedly. He was hit 13 times with the butt of the gun. He was shot several times. He was stabbed a total of 51 times. Atkins was holding Sharon Tate at knifepoint through all of this Sharon was begging her to please not kill her that she just wanted to have her baby. Susan Atkins said look, bitch you might as well face it now you are going to die. Susan Atkins testified that she got sick of listening to share and repeatedly beg for her life and for the life of her baby, so she stabbed her. Watson through a long rope over the high beam right there in the living room. He tied one end of the Rope around JC brings neck and the other around Sharon snack. Susan Atkins used a towel to dip into Sharon's blood and then write Pig on the front door the next morning. There was a body in a car in the driveway that you could see through the front gate off. The Manson members heard the news the next day that it was famous people that they had murdered. This is the end of part one tune back in for part two we go on to the next night with further Bloodshed in the lobby. Anka murders the search for The Killers the crazy trial with more of death during the trial and more information that comes out as well as details on the killers backgrounds. Please check out our sponsor at Romer skincare.com and visit our website at Cherry Avenue True Crime, for a link to the $5 meal plan that I think back to like. Thank you again for listening. Please remember to hit subscribe so you don't miss part two of this episode. I will have it out by Thursday of next week, but I may have it out earlier for you. So please hit subscribe it's free and that way you won't miss part 2 or any of the other episodes. Thank you again. And as always be safe.

Charlie Charlie William Eugene Manson Charles Manson Sharon Murray Tate Susan Atkins Manson Abigail Folger Helter Skelter Roman Polanski California Texas wojciech frykowski Steven Earl Susan Atkins Tex Watson Mary Brunner Los Angeles Dale Carnegie Charlie Red Michigan
Summer of 69: The Passion Behind The Family Pt. 2

Parcast Presents: Summer of '69

53:12 min | 2 years ago

Summer of 69: The Passion Behind The Family Pt. 2

"Due to the graphic nature of these crimes listener discretion is advised this episode includes discussions of murder sexual assault drug use and violence that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme extreme caution for children under the age of thirteen when Suzanne struthers fifteen year old brother call to tell her. Nobody was answering the door at their mother and stepfather's house. She didn't believe him at first. It was after nine P._M.. And they weren't the type to go out carousing late at night but he insisted she come over. Suzanne told herself. It was probably nothing one of his jokes that she she didn't understand but she couldn't shake her rattled nerves. She took her boyfriend Joe to go investigate. When Susan arrived at her parents house she retrieved the spare key and unlocked the back door? Joe suggested that she she weighed in the kitchen while he checked the living room as she waited. Suzanne looked around and spotted a pile of Watermelon Ryan's in the sink. The site of the mess in her mother's normally meet kitchen gave Suzanne chill a a moment later Joe hurried back into the kitchen seeing his face Suzanne's worry turn to panic. He wouldn't tell her what he saw in the living room only that they had to leave right now as Joe Joe guided her to the back door. Suzanne glanced at the refrigerator startled scrawled on the door and red paint was a strange message helter skelter. Hi I'm leany hops and this is crimes of passion apar- cast original illegal definition of crimes of passion is a violent crime that occurs in the throes of extreme emotion leaving no time to reflect on the consequences but in this show we explore passionate crimes how does a marriage progress from husband and wife to killer her and victim or killer and co-conspirator if there's then mind between love and hate what manipulates our relationships and a deadly results last week we explored Charles Manson's troubled troubled childhood in and out of juvenile facilities as an adult he spent another ten years in prison but despite his criminal tendencies Charles had an amazing talent for manipulating people when he was released from prison in nineteen sixty seven Charles used this power of manipulation to attract a following of lost vulnerable people who were desperate for love and guidance he called his group of two dozen disciples the family family under Charles Guidance they spent their day squatting at spun ranch and Seamy Valley taking drugs participating in group sex and listening to Charles Lecture about a coming race war which he called called helter skelter but by July of nineteen sixty nine Charles thoughts and actions were turning increasingly violent after dispute with a drug dealer named lots of Papa Charles went to lots of Papas apartment went shot him and left for dead but this shooting was only the start of the brutality Charles perpetuated that summer in this episode we'll talk about how Charles directed his followers to kill for him how the group began to splinter in the aftermath of the violence and how the family was finally brought to justice. This episode is part of our casts summer of Sixty Nine Event July twenty second through August night. All your favorite podcast shows are teaming up to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary of a landmark summer in American history. The summer of nineteen sixty nine from the Manson murders to the moon landing. We're diving diving deep into the summer. America hit a boiling point with twenty three special episodes across sixteen different podcast originals will be digging into the fallout of emo KS assassination a wide reaching l._S._d.. Cold Old and rumors of a Kennedy family cover up you can find these specials and more all in our new parkas presents feed on spotify or anywhere you listen to podcasts at podcast. We are grateful for you. Oh our listeners you allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network several of you have asked how to help us. If you enjoy today's episode the best way down assist to leave a five star review where ever you're listening. It really does help last week we explored Charles. Manson's troubled childhood voted in and out of juvenile facilities as an adult. He spent another ten years in prison but despite his criminal tendencies Charles had an amazing talent from Manipur meeting people when he was released from prison in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven Charles used his power of manipulation to attract the following of lost vulnerable people who were desperate for love and guidance he called his group of two dozen disciples the family under Charles's guidance they spent their day squatting at spawn ranch in Seamy Valley taking drugs participating in group sex and listening to Charles Lecture about a coming race war which he called helter skelter but by July of nineteen sixty nine Charles thoughts and actions were turning increasingly violent after dispute with the drug dealer named lots of Papa Charles went to lots of Papas apartment shot him and left him for dead but this shooting was only the start of the brutality Charles perpetuated that summer in this episode we'll talk about how Charles directed his followers to kill for him how the group began to splinter in in the aftermath of the violence and how the family was finally brought to justice after Charles gunned down lots of Papa in July nineteen sixty nine he bragged to his followers about the shooting shooting but he wrongly believed lots of Papa was affiliated with the Black Panthers and worried that the panthers might come after the family and Revenge Charles became fixated on his plan to flee to death valley and Wade out helter author skelter in isolated safety there Charles said they would hide in a pit until the world returned to order but before they could make their trip to the desert the family needed to raise some funds Charles Thaad one potential source of income might be thirty four year old music teacher and drug dealer Gary Henman Henman was friendly with the family sometimes letting them crash at his house but Charles was an interested in the man's friendship uh with Henman as with all of Charles's relationships Charles only cared about how he could use the other person to benefit himself. This was also Charles felt about twenty one year old musician Bobby beausoleil bobby wasn't an official member of the family but he hung out at the ranch frequently listened to Charles's lectures about helter skelter and was romantically involved with some of the family women in July of nineteen sixty nine nine Charles learned that the two men were in the midst of an argument Bobby Beausoleil had purchased a thousand taps mescaline from Gary Henman but he then claimed that the drugs were tainted. Bobby wanted his money back Charles figure that as long as bobby was asking for refund he should demand some extra cash to help fund. The families 'cause in exchange Charleston over a few family members to Henman's house to put pressure on him. Charles knew that Henman Bliss particularly attracted to Manson family member L. Joe Bayly so he suggested she go along to help her swayed Henman but L. A. Joe asked to be excused from duty. Perhaps she guests at the visit might become violent. She later said that she witnessed the family. Members arguing over which guns and weapons they would bring Henman's apartment instead Charleston family members Bruce Davis Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner to act as enforcers they he held the drug dealer up at gunpoint while the spurn Bobby Beausoleil beat him senseless eventually Henman agreed to sign over the pink slips to his two vehicles as payment but when bobby called Charles to let him know he wasn't satisfied Aspide he was sure and men must have money stashed away for the next two days Bobby Mary Brenner and Susan Atkins held Gary Henman hostage in his home. They continue to make demands for money while bobby relentlessly beat him when Henman told them he go to the police bobby was spooked. He might go to prison for what he done. He called Charles. Who said you know what to do? You Bobby took that as a command to silence Henman by killing him before I continue with Bobby Psychology please note that I am not a license psychiatrist or psychologists but I have done a lot of research for the show. The American Psychological Association has expressed skepticism that people can be brainwashed into acting violently but some psychologists point to countless examples of people falling under a violent cult influence and going on to do the unthinkable licensed mental health counselor. Stephen Hasson used the rise about al Qaeda and other terrorist groups as modern examples of how people can be indoctrinated into committing murder these extremist extremist groups have radicalized individuals through isolation limiting access to outside information and instilling an US versus then mentality Charles Manson uses same tactics family members looked at Charles as they're only source of wisdom and guidance some even thought he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ Charles exploited their trust to make them believe they had to take a stand against the rich and powerful pigs news of the outside world. The family wasn't just willing to kill for their God Charles. They were proud to do it. So when Charles gave the word bobby readily obeyed he stabbed Henman than dipped his hand and the dying man's blood to draw on the wall he wrote a little piggy and then painted pawprint Charles had instructed bobby to leave evidence incriminating the Black Panthers he hoped Henman's death would heighten racial tensions and help kickoff helter skelter then the group left taking Henman's cars with them back. It gets on ranch. Susan Atkins boasted to the other women about the murder but not all the family members were impressed l.. A. Joe Bayly felt sick to her stomach. She couldn't believe that the people she saw every day. People she loved could casually admit to murder she had heard about Charlie shooting at Black Panther a few weeks before but that hadn't hit her the same. I'm way she figured it was just Charlie. Protecting the family hearing about Henman's death was different. She knew Henman she had been invited into his home. Eligible wondered what might have happened if she hadn't refused to go back. Perhaps she could have done something to help. Henman now it was too late and she felt paralyzed with guilt. Eligible reflected on her time with a Family Charlie had been the center of her life for nearly two years she had once thought she'd be happy to follow Charlie's lead for the rest of her life but now she admitted that she felt differently. Perhaps it had started. When Bill Vance joined the group bill was special and at some point after he arrived L. A. Joe had begun to think of him as her boyfriend but Charlie discourage the family from forming attachments? He told them that everyone belonged to everyone else. Falling in love with bill was L.. Joe's I act of disobedience against Charlie now in the wake of Henman's death. Ellen show began to steal herself up for another her larger rebellion as soon as she could she would find Bill Vance then they would flee spawned ranch together on July twenty eighth nineteen sixty nine eligible Bailey and Bill Vance escaped the family for good three days later the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department discovered Gary Henman's body afraid the police would connect them to the death. Bobby beausoleil decided to flee to San Francisco driving the car he had stolen from Henman but the car broke down midway there when highway patrol stopped to help they realized that an all points bulletin had been issued for the stolen car. The officers discovered the knife bobby had used to stab henman stashed in the cars well later. They matched his fingerprints to a thumbprint left in Gary Henman's house the officers arrested Bobby Hobby and he was charged with murder. When Charles heard about the arrest he was worried bobby? Mike confessed to everything implicating the family in the murder but he was also upset. The Henman's murder had it made more we have an impact he had hoped to spark a media frenzy though it initiate the coming race war so as a family discussed how to deal with Bobby's arrest trials began to work out a new plan he wanted to stage in even and more brutal murder one so shocking it would make headlines around the country Charles was sure that such an event would be enough to trigger helter skelter and as a bonus it might help Bobby Beausoleil. The family thought if more murders were committed while bobby was in custody it would prove that the police had arrested the wrong man and he would be let go on the night of August eighth nineteen sixty nine Charles took family member Tex Watson aside and told him what needed to be done a year earlier when Charles was cozying up to every music industry contact that would tolerate him. He had pursued a relationship with music producer Terry Melchor at the time Melchior lived in a secluded house on ceelo drive. Even though Melcher had moved out of the house some months before Charles reason that whoever lived there now must also be rich and famous anyone anyone who lived in a place like that must be the kind of high profile person whose death would make national news according to Charles's plan techs and a few of the family women would go to Ceelo drive break into the house else and murder them in his research. Stephen Hasson stated that in the most destructive colts psychological influence seeks to disrupt an individual's identity personal behavior thoughts emotions and reconstructed in the image of the leader Tex Watson win later say that he accepted Charles's plan without an argument because Manson slaw was greater than his own conscience Charles recruited more followers. I help tax twenty one year old Susan Atkins Twenty one year old Pat Krenwinkel and twenty year old Linda Kosabe Ian he instructed them to obey any command techs gave but didn't tell them the goal of the mission as they got into the car. Charles called out do something which he it was a code to replicate Gary Henman's murder and the political piggy message bobby had scrawled on the wall just after midnight on August August ninth nine thousand nine hundred sixty nine the family arrived at the House on Ceelo drive techs instructed the women to climb over the fence once they were on the grounds techs told them the plan kill anyone they found inside coming up. We'll talk about the infamous murder spree of August ninth and Tenth Nineteen sixty-nine either if you enjoy this episode on the Manson Family Search crimes of passion on spotify and give us a follow to find more episodes now back to the story just after midnight on August Ninth Nineteen sixty-nine Tex Watson Season Atkins Pat Krenwinkel and Linda Kosabe Ian drove through Benedict Canyon until they reach the house at one Oh five Oh ceelo drive once they got their techs escape the women the order he had received from Charles Manson they were to break in and kill everyone inside after Melcher moved out thirty five year old director Roman Polanski and his wife Twenty six year old actress Sharon Tate rented the House that night Polanski was not home he was filming a movie in Europe but a pregnant tate just two weeks away from her due date had stayed behind in Los Angeles another couple also resided in the house a longtime friend of Polanski's thirty two year old Vojtech Frankowski and his girlfriend twenty five year old Abigail soldier the pair had moved into keep sharing company before the birth on that August night Sharon had another visitor her close friend and hairstylists thirty five year old J. C. bring in addition to the main house. The property also had a smaller guest cottage the property property caretaker nineteen year old William Garretson lived in the cottage that night. He had a friend over eighteen year old student. Steve Parent parent was just leaving the property around Twelve Fifteen A._M.. On August ninth breath when the family members heard Steve Parents car coming toward them down the driveway they hid in some bushes but as a car stopped at the front gate techs emerged holding his gun the teenager implored please days. Please don't hurt me. I'm your friend. I won't tell techs ignored him. He sliced parents arm with a knife and then shot him for times. Steve Parents slumped over in the Front front-seat dead the group pause to see if the gunfire had alerted the residents of the home but the surrounding canyons had muffled the sound Texan the women continued onto the main house attacks found in open window leading into the Front Hall after slicing open the screen he told Linda to stay and keep lookout while the rest when inside in the Living Room Techs Susan and pack found Vojtech Break Hausky asleep sleep on the couch for cousy woke up and ask them what they wanted techs replied. I'm the devil and I'm here to do the devils business then he kicked for Hausky in the head rendering during him barely conscious textile the women to check the rest of the house they found Abigail folder Sharon tate and J. C.. Bring in the bedrooms brandishing their knives. They ordered everyone to the living room. Rome once their tax tied up the men Jay and the still dazed for Hausky Sharon tate started to cry J. shouted. Can't you see she's pregnant. As as soon as J spoke techs shot him in the abdomen text demanded all the money the hostages had full Joe revealed that she had about seventy dollars in her purse about five hundred dollars today tate explained that she didn't have any money in the house but she could get some knowing the Charles would be upset if they returned to spawn ranch without much cash techs became angry J._c.. Bring grown in writing on the floor from his gunshot wound techs world on him and stabbed him until he died when tate and folger's screamed in Horror Vojtech for Hausky awoke from his Stupor and struggled to untie his own. I'm hands Susan Atkins leapt at him and stabbed his legs techs. Turn the gun on him and began to shoot but he somehow managed to break free and limped outside techs quickly caught up with him. Frankowski died with two bullet wounds and fifty-one stab wounds. Linda kosabe Ian was still outside keeping lookout when they had sent out that evening she thought they were going on another creepy crawling mission not a murder spree as soon as she saw tax shoot Steve Parent she had entered a state of shock. Now she meet an attempt to end the gory scene she shouted. Please make it sop people are coming but nobody was coming and techs did not stop Linda gave up she decided to hunt the fence. Get away from the property and wait by their car. As for Caskey died on the Front John Abigail soldier tried to break away she also tried to escape across the yard but Pat Krenwinkel caught up with her and stabbed her when techs trotted over he pointed path towards the guest cottage and told told her to look inside and kill anyone there at seemed shaken after stabbing Bolger and she only pretended to check the guest cottage telling tax at the house was empty. If the caretaker William Garretson was awake back he didn't give any sign to reveal himself techs. Meanwhile continued stabbing Abigail folder later. He claimed she told him as she died. I give up. You've got me finally the murderers turn to pregnant Sharon. Tate Tate begged them despair her. She pleaded with them to kidnap her and keep her alive just long enough to deliver her baby. The family ignored her. Susan Atkins held the sobbing woman while Tex stabbed her sixteen times when she was dead. Susan dipped Ital- in her blood and wrote the worth Hig on the front door with their mission accomplished. The group left the property tax. Susan and Pat Join Linda a car and drove away when they got back to the ranch. Charles was eager to hear about the crime came in fact he wanted to see it for himself to make sure it was gruesome enough to attract media attention he drew back to the House himself at night and made small adjustments wanting to make the crime scene as bizarre Dr and Chongqing as possible. He placed the towel over J._C.. BRINGS HEAD HE DRAPED IN AMERICAN FLAG OVER SHARON TATE's body. He moved a pair of glasses till the living room when he was finished. He drove back to spawn ranch and went to bed the next morning around eight A._M.. A housekeeper discovered the bodies inside the House on Ceelo drive. Her screams alerted neighbors who called the police police question the caretaker William Garretson. He claimed that he had been asleep on night. The police didn't believe him and arrested Garretson. Police also found a number of recreational drugs the House M._d.. Ama A- sheesh and marijuana perhaps the murders were the result of a drug deal gone bad back at Spahn ranch. Susan Techs and Pat Watch the news and basked in the attention engine. Their crimes had received a Charles wasn't satisfied. None of their reports blamed the debts on the Black Panthers nor did they link the debts to Gary Henman's murder the tate murderers wouldn't clear Bobby Bhosle his name nor would they begin helter skelter so Charles decided that more people had to die this time it wouldn't simply issue orders from the ranch. He intended to oversee the killings. Links himself Charles gathered the same group he'd sent to Ceelo Drive Techs Susan Pat and Linda no one had told Charles that Linda ran away during the previous nights murders and she was too afraid to object when Charles selected her for a second journey Charles also brought nineteen year old Leslie Van Houten an eighteen year old clem broke in the group dressed in dark clothes and gathered their knives then they set out into the night Charles directed them to a neighborhood in Los feeless and hold them to stop next door to a house the family had been to before for parties but the friend had moved out the previous devious fall and no one was sure why Charles pick this target he in Tex- got out of the car and entered through an unlock back door inside forty four year old Lino Labianca and his wife thirty eight year old rosemary were asleep Lino and rosemary were not rich celebrities. He ran a chain of grocery stores and she owned address shop. They were a well liked upper-middle-class couple. They had no connections to Manson or the family. When Charles text went into the house they found Lino Asleep on the couch? When he awoke Charles Order text tie the man's hands behind his back with some leather ropes he brought from the ranch Charles went went into the bedroom brought out rosemary and sat her next to her husband then he retrieved pat and Leslie from the car he told techs make sure everybody does something before leaving Charles Stole Rosemary's Wallet Techs put a pillow case over Lino lobbying as head and wrapped a lamp cord around the man's neck in mouth he instructed pat and Leslie to take Rosemary into the bedroom and do the same same thing to her when they were out of sight tech Stab Lino with a bayonet from the bedroom rosemary screamed? What are you doing to my husband? She tried to run to Lino but the lamp courts wrapped around her neck or still plugged into the wall as Rosemary strained against the cords Pat stabbed her with the kitchen knife. Then techs came in to complete the job with his bayonet. When Rosemary was dead tax return to the Living Room Stab Lino a few more times and carve the word war into the man stomach had stuck an ivory handled carving fork in his body? They went back to the a bedroom. were tax instructed Leslie to Stab Rosemary's body following Charlie's command that everyone participate when they were finished they used blood to write messages on the wall in the living room. They wrote rise and death to pigs in the kitchen on the refrigerator door. Pat wrote helter skelter misspelled H. E. A. L. L. T. E. R. AS TECHS PAT and Leslie Follow Charles Orders Charles led the rest of the Women Linda Clem and Susan to a Denny's restaurant instill Elmar he told Linda Lee Rosemary's wallet and the restaurant bathroom he expected a black woman to find the wallet steal the credit cards inside and then be blamed for the law Bianca's murders then Charles asked them who else they might kill Charles were called Linda telling him about a Lebanese actor named Salad and natter whom she met while panhandling Linda had gone back to the actors home in Santa Monica to have sex Charles asked if Linda remembered the building where the actor lived Linda said yes but when Charles handed her a knife and told her she was going to find matter and slit his throat. Linda balked the bloody events of the previous night I took sick and her and she did not want to be a part of more violence. She said I'm not you. Charlie Charles ignored her he needed as many notorious deaths as possible to ignite helter skelter he dropped the family members off in front of the actors apartment and told Linda to lead Susan and Clem to the actors door where they would kill him. Then Charles drove away back to spawn ranch. Linda pretended to obey Charles but she purposefully took Susan and Clem to the wrong unit when a stranger answered the door. Linda backed away and told the family that she didn't remember were natter lived. The group hitchhiked back to spawn and nobody discussed what had happened. The following evening Rosemary Labianca fifteen year old son frank came home from staying at a friend's house when his mother and stepfather didn't answer the door frank called his twenty one year old sister Suzanne and Suzanne's boyfriend Joe Dorgan the three entered the house where they found Rosemary and Lino Law Bianca dead the immediately called call the police when journalist Got Ahold of the story they noticed similarities between the crime scene at Ceelo drive and the lobby on residence police however were skeptical Lino Law Bianca had some gambling debts and investigators thought he might build some money to members of the mafia although it seemed as if the family had gotten away with murder Charles worried about Bobby Beausoleil who was still being held for Gerry Henman's death breath and who might confess and point the police to Charles at any moment the week after the murders Charleston Linda Kosabe into visit Bobby in jail and give him a message to stay quiet. Linda happily took occur assignment Linda COSC- bian skin crawl the she thought about her naievety she had left an unhappy marriage to join the family because she thought she might find a higher love with Charlie and his women. She felt disgusted by what she knew. Now the family had nothing to do with love. They were just mindless. Robots controlled by a Madman Linda would give anything to when do the Knights of August ninth and tenth but her only option was to move forward. She had to get out only one thing was stopping Linda from deserting the family and never looking back back her young daughter. Tanya lived at spawn ranch to Linda desperately trying to think of a way to take Tanya without raising Charlie suspicions but it was hopeless she knew Charlie would never let them leave together if she tried Charlie might kill her and then Tanya would be stuck with the family forever. Leaving Tanya was the hardest thing Linda had ever done but she knew that it was the only only way to get help she had to do it to save them both with her decision made when the borrowed a car and meet a show of leaving visit Bobby at the Los Angeles County jail but instead of driving having south she went east her heart broke as the mile stretched between her and Tanya but she willed herself to keep going. She had to reach her husband Bob in New Mexico then she would tell l. him everything. After Linda reunited with her husband she told him about the murderers but she was too afraid to go to the police worried the family might hurt her daughter. She was anxious to that. The family might trying to come after her but by then Charles was too busy to pursue an insubordinate family member he was hard at work preparing his followers further move to the desert coming up. We'll talk about the fracturing of the family in Death Valley and how the group's breakdown help investigators and prosecutors make their case against Charles Manson now the conclusion of the story in late August of nineteen sixty nine Charles Manson decided it was time for helter skelter to begin. He ordered some of his most loyal followers to carry we out a series of brutal murders on August ninth and tenth killing seven people not long after the murders spun ranch was rated by police. It had nothing to do with the tate or lobby on the murders. Police suspected the group was operating an auto theft during on the property they had been stealing Dune buggies and motorcycles in preparation for their trek to the desert and had actually previously been rated for similar suspicions. Police took some of the family members into custody but the chargers were dropped within days for lack of evidence. Although they released the adult family members they placed the family children including Linda CA sapiens daughter Tanya into foster care when Lyndon discovered this she returned l._a.. County to regain custody over the girl but she did not reveal anything about the murders back at the ranch. Charles remained anxious about the police's raid he thought it might be a signal that someone was spilling family secrets. He blamed Donald Shorty Shea an employee of the ranch owner short he didn't care for the families presence at the ranch and he often advised his boss to kick them out given his animosity towards Charles Short. He made a convenience Abe goat some night in late August about two weeks. After the tape murders Charles Bruce Davis and Clem Grogan again took shorty shea out into the desert and killed him with this done Charles decided it was time to retreat to Death Valley National Park hundreds of miles away from civilization. Listen to wait out the coming ray source Charles is most ardent followers were thrilled that they were finally going to escape into the pit Charles had prophesied they believed that once they were inside the pit they would go through a metamorphosis -morphosis and take whatever form the desired but they had to locate the pit before this could happen when they reached the desert. Charles ordered them to go on daily excursions in search of the whole that would lead them to the pit and each night when they returned from day of searching exhausted they would gather around the fire take hits of acid and listen to Charles preaching about helter skelter and their new life Sharon K. Farber harbor a counselor with a p._H._d.. In social work said that colts prey upon the tendency of many to rely on magical thinking which reinforces the tendency to endow the leader with omnipotent and magical powers the member our can readily come to believe the leader can read his mind or here conversations at a distance. Many of Charles is followers were desperate for Charles's predictions to come true. They had joined Charles in the first place to escape their empty lives and now they wanted to escape from reality itself but for the family members who were not quite sold on Charles's apocalyptic predictions life and death valley was a difficult adjustment there was no electricity or telephones they were constantly running low on food and supplies and the daily expeditions define the pit or brutal in the desert heat as morale dropped Tex X.. Watson grew frustrated every day. The Group failed to find the pit techs grew more doubtful of Charles Claims Confused and oppressed. He began to fervently wish that he could erase his life with the family family. After a few weeks he left the desert to return to his parents in Texas. Tech's wasn't the only one to disappear family members Barbara Hoyt and seamy Valley Sherry were frightened by the violence they heard about about one night. They slipped away and want sixteen hours through the desert until they were able to stop a car and hitchhiked back to Los Angeles. Besides the blow of losing members Charles also had to contend. Contend with the attention of Park Rangers who correctly suspected the group had set fire to equipment belonging to the Parks Department these suspicions lead Park Rangers and the California Highway Patrol to pay the family of visit they found stolen cars including makeshift armored vehicles with scampered to hold weapons. The officers suspicions of the Strange Group deepened on October tenth the Park Service Highway Patrol and Inyo County Sheriff's department it meant rated the property authorities made over a dozen arrests but they did not locate Charles by chance he had gone back to Los Angeles a day before to try to raise some extra money and replenish their food stash Charles returned to death valley as soon as he heard about the raid. Perhaps he panicked at the thought of his followers in custody and what they might be telling the gleese he wanted to be physically close to them while he figured out how to regain control role immediately after Charles's return. The authorities raided the desert ranch again this time as California Highway Patrolman James Pursell meet a sweep inside the house he found a lit- candle flickering on the table and he knew that someone must be home herself searched the bathroom right before his is the door of a small cabinet by the sinks Longo been and Charles Manson emerged herself said if you make one false move I'll blow your head off to which Charles replied I Charles was arrested and brought to a jail in Inyo county along with the rest of the family. Once serious interogations began everything started to unravel twenty year old kitty loot singer who was pregnant with Bobby Beausoleil as baby and frustrated that she was being kept in the dark told the police police everything she heard about Gary Henman's murder she also told them she had heard Susan Atkins bragging about stabbing a man in the legs she assumed Susan was talking about Henman but he hadn't been stabbed in legs the attack she described at another crime better the murder of Vojtech Frankowski at Sharon Tate's house investigators questioned Susan who corroborated the story admitting that she had been present for Henman's murder. Susan was subsequently booked for murder and moved to a women's prison in Los Angeles County. Susan spent the next few weeks bragging to other inmates that she had been part of the tape murders. John Are Schaefer a behavioral analyst for the F._B._i.. Says this behavior is common stating when criminals commit crimes they feel an overwhelming need to tell someone what they did especially if the crime required hard skill and cunning criminals crave recognition for their nefarious deeds Susan's fellow inmates reported her statements to authorities while investigators were linking the family to the tate and Hinman murderers they also discovered evidence of Charles involvement in the lobby Janka murders the leather material of Charles is deer skin suit match the leather robes used to tie the hands of Rosemary and Lino Law Bianca in the previous months police had conducted three separate murder investigations without seeing a link between them now with the Manson family in custody. The connections between the Tate Labianca and Henman murders were staring them in the face. Now the police had found the perpetrators of the murders prosecutor Vinson Bull Yosi began to build his case against Charles he would have to rely on witness testimony and for this he would. I need to convince some of the family members to let go of their devotion to and fear of their leader Breaking Charles is hold over the family was a difficult process psychologist and cold expert. Margaret Singer stated stated that the idea of leaving a colt is often unbearable for participants. She says there is a psychological bond that becomes most difficult to sever. Perhaps Charles is most bonded and devout follower was Susan Atkins who had been present for all the bloody crimes. Susan Atkins I the prosecutors sitting across from her he was trying to question her but it was hard to focus on him she he had to stay alert and case. Charlie tried to send a message tour. The lawyers kept telling her that Charlie was far away in jail in Inyo County but Susan knew that Charlie was everywhere he he was watching her now. You would know if Susan betrayed him. Her lawyer told her that the prosecutors wanted her to testify against Charlie. He told her that if she didn't cooperate prosecutors would push for the death penalty but Susan understood what her lawyers did not death was meaningless. Only the spirit mattered and the spirit lived forever. That's with Charlie had taught her. Susan Atkins belief in Charles was unwavering but she seemed to enjoy talking about the murderers lawyers convinced her to testify in front of a grand jury in Los Angeles. Susan Susan explained how Charles had program the family to do things and gave detailed descriptions of their crimes. Susan didn't seem to realize that she was incriminating Charles. She saw her testimony as an opportunity to proselytize solidifies about Charles's god-like powers the grand jury panel issued indictments on seven counts of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder against Charles Manson Tex Watson. Susan Atkins Linda Because Sapien and Patricia Krenwinkel Leslie Van Houten was indicted onto counts of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder. The trial began in the summer of nineteen seventy. Although she yeah testified in front of the Grand Jury Susan Atkins Refuse to testify for the prosecution at trial now she claimed that Charles was innocent and that the family had acted alone without his helper influence but but prosecutors had other witnesses to counter this they arranged a deal with Linda Kosabe Ian who had accompanied the family on the murder missions but refused to kill anyone Linda was granted immunity and exchange for her testimony Simoni. The prosecutors also secured the testimony a former family member Barbara Hoyt who had walked sixteen hours through the desert to escape them testifying against a family proved to be risky cya to the trial trial a family member approach Barbara pretending to renew their friendship but then proceeded to poison Barbara with ten tabs of L._S._D.. When Barbara recovered from the overdose she was more determined than ever to testify justify although prosecutors manage to turn some family members into cooperative witnesses most of them remained under Charles a spell fame social psychologist Leon festinger studied similar behavior in Nineteen Fifties U._F._o.? Colt festinger noted that when the Colt Leaders Doomsday Prophesy failed the cult members became more committed rather than less festinger attributed this to cognitive dissonance writing that a person can distort her perception and the information about the world around her in order to protect her convictions during the Manson trial several of the family women gathered outside the courthouse every day singing enchanting crowds of onlookers lookers inside the courtroom Charles tried to disrupt the trial with a variety of antics including carving a small X. in his forehead just above his eyebrows he arranged for a family member to pass out a written statement went outside the courthouse it read I have xt myself from your world. No Man or lawyer is speaking for me. I speak for myself. I am not allowed to speak with words. So I have spoken again with the Mark I will be wearing on my forehead after he did this. The family woman appeared at the courthouse with X.'s gouged into their foreheads but the trial moved forward as scheduled hold on March Twenty Ninth Nineteen seventy-one the jury returned to guilty verdict Charles Manson Susan Atkins at Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten were sentenced to die in the Gas Chamber Tex Watson had separate trial was convicted in October of nineteen seventy-one and also sentenced to death but before these sentences were carried out California Supreme Court voted to abolish the death penalty in one thousand nine hundred seventy two Charles remained infamous in prison attracting notoriety in part due to the devotion of his followers in nineteen seventy five family member Lynette squeaky foamy attempted to assassinate President Gerald Ford Secret Service tackled her before she could shoot Charles might not have ordered the hid himself but many speculate that Lynette did it to impress him. She was sentenced to life in prison for the assassination attempt and paroled in two thousand nine in recent two thousand nineteen interview. She confessed that she was still in love with Manson in other followers did not remain faithful. Susan Atkins eventually renounced Charles and converted to Christianity. She died of cancer in two thousand eight after nearly three decades in prison Tex Watson Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten have also expressed repudiation of Charles they remain in prison today and have so far been denied parole. Charles Manson died in prison and two thousand seventeen at the age of eighty three but fifty years after the Manson families crimes people remain fascinated by the colts legacy. The Manson family came together at the high of a counterculture movement that encourage young people to reject convention question authority and embrace the ideals of peace and love Charles Manson's brutal crimes effectively destroyed the spirit the sixties as the world came to associate the hippie lifestyle with the wave of crime violence but if Charles has life shows anything it's that he did not need a Hippie ideology or political agenda to to inspire him to violence his militias behavior began long before the nineteen sixties Charles Cousin Joanne told the following story six years old first grade. He talked the girls in his class into beating up other boys. He doesn't like then when the principal comes to Ash Charlie. Why did you do that Charlie's responses? It wasn't me they were doing what they wanted. You can't blame me for that. Thirty years later he'd used the same defense with the new group of girls. Thanks again for tuning into our crimes of passion summer of sixty nine special. If you enjoy this episode checkout podcast continued retrospective into the summer of sixty-nine from July twenty second through August his ninth the summer of sixty-nine won't feature twenty-three special episodes across sixteen different podcasts covering everything from Vietnam War protests to the Zodiac killer. We'll be back with a new episode of crimes of passion next next week. If you're interested in learning more about the summer of sixty nine be sure to check out our new are cast presents feed on spotify or anywhere you listen to podcasts several of you have asked how to help us if you enjoy the show. The best way to help is to leave a five star review and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. We'll see you next time when true love meets true crime.

Charlie Charles Charles Manson murder Charles Gary Henman Henman Susan Atkins Linda Susan Atkins Susan Susan Bobby beausoleil bobby Bobby Beausoleil Sharon tate Manson Charles Lecture Tex Watson Charles Stole Rosemary L. A. Joe Charles Guidance Charles Orders Charles
August 9, 2020: The Manson Family Murders

Today in True Crime

14:43 min | 1 year ago

August 9, 2020: The Manson Family Murders

"Sharon tate the Manson family and the murders that made headlines around the world. If you want to hear more episodes like this, one out season, two of par cast presents infamous where we descend into histories. True crime stories find episodes on the Oklahoma City, bombing El, Chapo, Richard Ramirez, and more all throughout August search podcast presents on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. Today is Sunday August ninth twenty twenty on this day in nineteen, sixty, nine, four members of the Manson family had broken into the house of Sharon tate and Roman Polanski just after midnight they murdered tate and her house guests. Welcome to today and true crime apart cast original due to the graphic nature of today's crimes. Listener discretion is advised extreme caution is advised for listeners under thirteen. Today recovering covering the Manson family murders. These grisly murders were so shocking and vile. There said to of ended the peace and love spirit of the sixties ushering in an era of violence and political upheaval. Let's go back to Los Angeles California. Our story begins after dark on August eighth and into the wee hours of August ninth nineteen, sixty nine. Charles Manson had never told them to kill anybody not explicitly anyway but that was how Charlie talked most times. He just had a way of saying things without saying anything at all. That night he'd allegedly stuck his head in the car and said to his followers if you're going to do something, do it well and leave something witchy. Those words had rattled around in twenty year old Linda Ca, Sabians head during the long drive down from Spahn ranch. She sat in the driver's seat next to twenty-three-year-old Tex Watson who seemed to know exactly where they were going in the back seat, Patricia Krenwinkel and Susan. Atkins were jittery with anticipation. Eventually they pulled into the long driveway at one zero, zero, five, Zero Cielo drive techs pulled over a ways back from house and told the three girls to pile out of the car. He sent Linda to the back of the house to be a lookout while Tex Susan, and Patricia Snuck Around Front? Inside Sharon, Tate was mixing cocktails for her three houseguests, Jay Sebring, Abigail folder, and Vojtech for Hausky taint. Herself wasn't drinking being eight months pregnant at the time. She was happy with her big belly ready to meet her baby and glad to have her friends surrounding her the four of them had spent the day enjoying one another's company. In fact, they were so busy having fun. None of them noticed when Tex Watson's stepped through the sliding door and into the living room gun drawn. Nor. When Susan and Patricia appeared behind him it wasn't until Tex whispered to Susan that Vojtech realized someone else was in the house when he demanded to know what was going on texts spat I'm the devil and I'm here to do the devil's business. Sharon and her friends on to one another hoping these invaders would rob them and leave but that hope quickly faded when text growled you're all going to die. From her vantage point in the backyard Linda Kosabe Ian couldn't see much it was a peaceful summer night. She heard the Canyon wins the crickets, and then a blood curdling scream cut through the air followed by three gunshots. Panicked Linda ran toward the house toward the sliding door connecting the living room to the backyard. What she saw made her blood run cold inside the house tax was on top Vojtech for Caskey repeatedly pistol whipping him over the head a few feet from him J. C. bring crawled toward the sliding door blood pouring from a gunshot wound in his stomach before he could get very far tax poundstone him stabbing him over and over until texts was drenched in. Blood. Meanwhile. Susan Atkins. Tackled Sharon tate who was begging for her life as Sharon screamed Susan stabbed her pregnant belly and chest Sharon tried to crawl out from under this mad woman. But Susan was relentless plunging a knife into Sharon's back. The only person Linda couldn't see was Patricia Krenwinkel. Just, then Abigail folder came bursting out a side door and into the Back Yard Patricia tackled her folder screamed as Patricia cut into her twenty eight times. The sound of the knife ripping at folger's flesh may Linda Sick Linda turned away from the massacre ready to heave. But she stopped short standing before her was a bloodied beaten for. Hausky. Miraculously still alive he'd been shot twice and beaten over the head with a gun yet. Somehow he managed to crawl his way out of the living room and into the backyard the to stared at one another for a moment then for cow ski staggered past her and collapsed on the grass. As he lay dying techs shot out of the House and jumped on top of him decidedly finishing the job stabbing him fifty one times. Once Sharon and her guests were dead. The four Manson family members fled the scene as the foursome sped back to spawn ranch. The sound of that blood curdling scream rang in Linda's ears. She closed her eyes nauseous from the smell of warm blood filling the car. In a moment, the aftermath of one of the most infamous murders in the American cannon. With. So much out of our control many of us have had to start new routines. But one thing that doesn't need to change is control over our beauty routine whether it's virtual date night or getting ready for a hot night on the town with Schick Hydro Silk Razors you're always in control hydro silk offers a full portfolio of products that deliver high performance solutions ideal for any hair removal zone, the hydro silk. For sensitive razor has five curve sensing blades to give you your closest shave. It features a water activated Hydra boost Sierra with Shea, butter that moisturizes up to two hours after shaving and the hydro. Silk Trims Style is the only two in one product featuring a hydrating razor on one end and a waterproof bikini trimmer on the other be in control of your beauty learn more at schick dot com slash hydro silk. Now back to the story. On the night of August eighth and into the early hours of August ninth nineteen, sixty, nine, four of Charles Manson's followers murdered Sharon tate and her friends supposedly in an attempt to kick start a race war which they nicknamed helter skelter but actually, it's more likely that the murder was to cover up their other crimes. To understand why Charles Manson would unleash his family on an innocent pregnant actress and her friends you have to understand Manson himself. He was above all else broken a child of emotional and physical abuse. He grew up feeling unloved and unwanted his life followed familiar trajectory petty theft assaults prison, and a constant need for validation. By the time, he began collecting his followers in nineteen sixty seven Manson exhibited troubling behavior consistent with narcissism and he seemed incapable of empathy. He preyed on women half his age building his own private harum. He sexually manipulated his followers and kept them high on D. slowly brainwashing them into thinking he was a deity he isolated his followers on spawn ranch and old movie set in the mountains side of La he scared the Manson family into believing that the apocalyptic race war was coming in his estimation. The white man had oppressed the black community for far too long and it was their turn to take over while most of the white race would die Manson and his followers would survive through his guidance. But he also taught the Manson family that while the black community would seize power, they wouldn't know what to do with it after the race war which Manson called helter skelter because of secret messages he claimed to here in the Beatles Song, the inhabitants of spawn ranch would be in charge. On the night of August eighth nineteen, sixty, nine Manson sent his four most faithful followers to a house. In Beverly Hills were record producer had once promised. Manson. Fame and fortune with Manson's musical dreams in ruins and his paranoia increasing he likely thought of the House as a symbol of the entertainment industry that had rejected him by this point. However, the House on Ceelo drive belonged to Sharon tate and Roman Polanski though Polanski was out of town. Manson's followers murdered Sharon Tate Afterward Susan Atkins Patricia Krenwinkel and Tex Watson wrote what they thought looked like black panther rhetoric on the living room walls using their victims blood as inc.. The idea was to blame the murders on the Black Panthers in the hopes of both covering up the crime and Manson claimed jumpstarting helter skelter. When Susan Patricia texts and Linda arrived back at the ranch Manson was in a celebratory mood. He figured that by morning there would be riots in the streets he assumed Los Angeles would be set on fire. So naturally, he was disappointed when the southern skyline never filled with black smoke, it seemed La was yet to burn. The Night of August tenth he sent the same forum sealants on another mission. This time they were joined by Charles Manson himself and the two youngest members of the Manson family nineteen year olds Clem grow gin and Leslie Van Houten together day murdered two more people lino and Rosemary Labianca who had been chosen seemingly at random. An autopsy would later show that Rosemary had been stabbed forty one times and Lino Twenty six times plus repeated punctures from a fork. Again, they tried to stage the crime scene in a way that made the Black Panthers look. Responsible The Manson family crimes never sparked a race war, but that's not to say, they didn't leave a lasting mark on American culture at the time counterculture movement was gaining momentum peaceful protests against racial injustice and the Vietnam War captured full new cycles. But once the Manson family was connected to the tate labianca murders in late nineteen, sixty nine, the country was quick to demonize all hippies. Granted Manson never considered himself a hippie but the Manson families flower child aesthetic was enough for the mainstream media to vilify the entire counterculture. The once peaceful protests against the Vietnam War grew violent. The Kent State shootings marked a turning point in the free love roots of the Hippie Movement. By the time, the murders went to trial. The spirit of the sixties was dead of Bino victim of Charles Manson. Thanks for listening today in true crime. I'm Vanessa Richardson. If you'd like the full story of the Manson family murders checkout are episodes of female criminals and crimes of passion that dive deeper into the story today in true crime is a podcast original. You can find more episodes of today in true crime and all other park has originals for free on spotify that only does spotify already. Have all of your favorite news. But now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like today and true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream today in true crime on spotify just open the APP and type today in true crime in the search bar, we'll be back with a brand new episode tomorrow in true crime. Today in true crime was created by Max Cobbler and is podcast studios original. It is executive produced by Max. Cutler sound designed by one Boorda with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Carly Madden Joshua Kern. This episode of today in true crime was written by Aaron Land with writing assistance by Maggie Admire I'm Vanessa. Richardson.

Charles Manson Sharon tate Linda Patricia Krenwinkel Tex Susan Susan Atkins Tex Watson murder spotify Los Angeles Black Panthers Back Yard Patricia California Schick Hydro Silk Razors Linda Kosabe Ian Vojtech Roman Polanski Linda Ca
The End of Jay-Z, the Omnipresence of Drake, and East Coast vs. West Coast Rap With Wosny Lambre

The Watch

59:49 min | Last month

The End of Jay-Z, the Omnipresence of Drake, and East Coast vs. West Coast Rap With Wosny Lambre

"From reviews to rankings at the big picture is all things movies from in depth analysis of the latest flick to sit down interviews with some of the biggest movie stars. And filmmakers on the planet. Sean fantasy and amanda dobbins have got covered. Check out the big picture on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. This episode of the watch is brought to you by square you may know square for their cool looking registers but did you know they also help. Businesses get online with square. You get more than a website. You get a set of tools to help you sell products book appointments and take orders online fast. Learn how square can make your business and online business at square dot com slash. Go slash the watch. This episode is brought to you by heineken. the summer of can is here with heineken. Gosh where's my favorite place to crush a heineken. Like obviously i'm trying to keep it still mostly outdoors so the barbecue is really the spot. But like the one thing that i've been really enjoying is people who show the ingenuity and the foresight and honestly that can do spirit to get a tv showing outside so that we can watch basketball playoffs basketball. We can watch golf. Whatever it is while we're also cooking out and have an ionic and pick up a packer get delivered and put the can back into summer. Must be twenty one years of age to purchase please drink responsibly. Now hello and welcome to watch. My name is chris. I am an editor at the rear dot com and joining me on the other line from arkham asylum where he has checked himself in andy greenwald. Just kidding eddie. Couldn't make it today. Yes we were both disappointed about how assets basketball game worked out but Eddie you had a day off today. And i just wanted to. I just wanted to pie with somebody different today. Some me me. Labor talked about a lot of different stuff. Mostly about radin zick so probably not like the usual pod for the watch but i wanted to just chat with was about a bunch of different things. We talked about hacks we talked about. Jay z. Talked about regionalism we talked about nostalgia a wide ranging conversation that i think anybody who is interested in pop culture will enjoy andy and i will be back on thursday night friday morning to top chef and loki until then have a great week everybody and check out my conversation with was now joining for the first time on the watched pot by my buddy wasi lambert. Who joined the ringer a couple like a month ago. Right yes about like six weeks. Now you've been like getting up though because like now. You're like on the pads all the time i wanted to have you on. Just because i don't think you and i have gotten a chance to talk about like pop culture culture stuff in a while and you know i initially texted you tex watson but like you wanna you wanna talk about. I think you wrote back just hacks is that because that's how much what you have time for when it's nba season it's postseason and there's like six to eight hours of basketball at night so there's just like i can watch a half hour show baby or is it like. Do you usually go like for like one show at a time like that. No really what is christmas that. I'm a tv snob in a way. And i don't like all the shit that everybody else likes right like a lot of my friends. God bless him then. Wash it snowfall. I can't do it. There was like sodomy in the first second episode during a drug deal. I'm out i can't do. It is to like surreal for me. So i'm kinda pick like tvs. Definitely my favorite of the visual mediums. But i'm kind of picky about it. Right i find myself gravitating towards the hbo stuff because it seems to be the most curated it has that feel in. So that's why. I'm not watching a lot of tv at a time. Because this is a lot of dope stuff out in my opinion like i got peacock jessa walker watch law and order the oh g. Yeah episodes yeah as we get it. That's the popular one. That's the one that people tweeting about. All the time is that the perception is become the people's champion that law and orders for like your uncle or something like that. Yeah absolutely and for me. S view is this a little trashy. I just just. That's just my opinion. Like i'm the jack mccoy i'm lennie briscoe. That's my law and order. I don't do some of example of you. Know the my snobbish. As it pertains to tv i was watching svu last night with my wife and we watched one that was just basically the plot of hustlers of a trio of women who drug a rich tech rose in your. And it's like it's like. I love that show so much but every once in a while they will they will throw in the one liner where you're just like that's inappropriate appropriate to have like a sick comeback when this is happening right. Yeah and and look. I don't wanna say as views terrible abc. Just say like as it compares to you know even dennis farina era law and order original. I just don't think the writing the acting. Anything is as good as that right. And i think that's the standard that i've kinda held the law and order franchise to was so. I ignored now. You feel me. But i. But i understand that people are entertained by it and whatever they can have it. Do you wind up times on this. Were like kind of chasing whatever's next and chasing the show the debuted on friday or the show. That's on on sundays right now. Do you feel like free of that pressure. As just as are you kind of like i'll watch what i wanna watch and that show might be from two thousand and two or might be from nine hundred ninety six or it might be right now but like do a internal pressure that you ever put on yourself to keep up with. Tv necessarily know. Because i'm in a constant conversation about tv with a lot of the people in my life right and so there's a few of my friends who understand the stuff that i'm going to be super into and so we talk about it amongst ourselves right So like for instance like industry. When i watched that show. That were two of my homies. Who i literally had to call. I'm like listen there. Finance rose doing drugs. they're having sex. This is our show. and so. that's what ends up happening right and to be quite honest. I depend on you and andy to put me onto to what i should be watching or you know. I'm a big fan of what they do over at vulture right sure i. I'm i'm dependent on people like what we do at the ring or people that the vulture got keep up with the quote unquote experts right when it comes to what i need to be watching. Tv wise but isn't that people in my life was passionate about tv. As i am. And so i count on them right like the actually. The last thing. I watched that wasn't hacks or mayor of the town was the High on the hog joint On netflix. because obviously i'm i'm heavy into food content months. She's bon apetite. Rest in peace not came back as woke up at t. You know the original sauce original recipe shutout claire. She came on to watch once. Yeah salutes eclair. Molly bez still all over your instagram. So i'm super into food carter. It's was like oh you should watch the high on the hog joint and the first episode was set in benin which is in africa which was one of the outpost during the transatlantic slave trade. Right and as a haitian we actually trace our roots back to benin the congo and nigeria. Those are the three main places. I feel kind of connected to it as a first generation haitian american so that was something that i kinda had to watch right so stuff like that will come to come to my play in our watch it but yeah realistically up. Calendar you chris. I know because. I wanted to talk a little bit music stuff with you but i remember really i kinda like around when there was like the napster lime wire wave and it started to become that you could just get anything for free but i don't think it had the same kind of feel that it does now with shout spotify but like also like with apple music in the way that within music. You can sample anything you be like. I'm going to check it out on the skim through this. I will either add it to my library or not. And i'm already in the they are. They're taking their fifteen a month from me or whatever it is and so everything is just kinda going to be. It's it's like flipping through the stacks and a record store but you're actually you just you just you're just pulling everything out and listening to and i think that that changed the way people interact with music a lot because it took out the i have. I have a finite amount of money and time to spend listening to in purchasing music. So it's an active participation in it's a choice it's like i have to choose this record over that record and now you don't have to do that if you pay your monthly fee. You can just basically like mess around with anything. I feel like that's a little bit. Where tv is going where i think that there used to be a reliance on people to tell other people cage. Check out this show. There's an underrated show. That's on this or this show has gotten much better in the second season. If you can rent the dvd's or catch up with the show. Catch up a friday night lights and now it's kind of like i find more often than not people are just like their own animals. When it comes out they watch. Tv and a lot of the times. It's like yeah. I turn on netflix at the end of the night. And i just let it rock. And sometimes i watched like six bake offs or i watch a scandinavian mystery. Show but it doesn't seem to be like basically a veasley water cooler conversations around these shows. Do you feel like that. That is something that attracts you. Tv process where it's like. You're you get to talk like you said you talk about. Industry with friends is important to have something that's shared. You know. i used to think that i that it was and then the insufferable of people online behind the last season. A game of thrones convinced. Me that i no longer need to participate in group settings with something that i'm really enjoying because people try their hardest to absolutely ruin. The last season of game of thrones like they the the level of bitching that went on the internet. Like i will never. I will not soon forget to the program. I think there's still a stink off. Game of thrones. You probably the most legendary piece of tv content that we're ever going to fucking see people found a way to ruin it because benny off your weiss's like you are dedicated like ten years this shit and i kind of the last. I'm over it. I get it. I completely understand how why it was handled the way it was just like yeah with birthed out. You know it's over and we know that the source material like the amount of time that gets Gets put into the logistics of the show for me to be a genius about writing it to. It's a it's a heavy lift. It's a lot to ask and bottom line is like the red wedding that happened as an experience as a tv watcher. Like you know hard home all of these amazing moments. That game of thrones delivered over the course of the duration of that show. Those things happened whether you like that last season or not. So i did it. Everybody shat on it. I'm just like you know what. I don't need it. I don't need the conversation anymore. Y'all y'all participate. I even if people are having it. I'm going to ignore it. Do you think that that it kind of mir's sometimes what it's like to to especially during the postseason to the nba. When you're watching sports if you spend a lot of time online which you and. I both do whether we like it or not. You start to get into a real like everybody is like an armchair quarterback or backseat driver for coaches especially where. I can't believe this guy didn't do this. I can't believe this guy didn't make this adjustment that i would have made and oftentimes. I'm sure i'm sure like what ninety percent of the time. There's some element of it that we don't understand that goes on behind the scenes that we're not privy to the same thing can be said for the way that we engage with a lot of like especially tv where i think people are like this is how i would have done it or i can't believe this up in this way but it doesn't seem to necessarily doesn't that that kind of criticism doesn't always for me go that far because i like i prefer to think about things more in terms of aesthetics turn. How does this show make me feel. How did they would is show trying to tell us about what it means to be alive. And then when it comes to the sports stuff. It's like yeah. I like second-guessed doc. Rivers until i have laryngitis. But like there's like bigger issues at play rather than whether or not one guy played seven minutes and another guy played twelve or thirteen minutes. You know what i mean. Yeah and the thing about the armchair quarterbacking and to bring it back to thrones. Because i think it's an amazing example of this is like people killed the show runners for how they manage the final season. And i'm like yo you man. You're a hero. George r r martin has been working on that last damn book for how long now. I don't think it's the last book to more. Okay so there you go so this dude has been working on that for how long he still can't put it out. He's on every single. Speaking engagement he living high on the host. Bob blogging man. So your hero. If it was so easy to been put these damn books out. The idea to reduce was supposed to have this amazing turnaround. It delivered this flawless products for you entitled pricks. This is insane to me right and so just the idea that people could say all this sucks. It's like bro. come on man like have some self awareness here like these people are doing their best. Let's cut him some slack. So what's the thing that you're an entitled prick about what is like is. It is jay z. Albums i'm so because such a jay z fanatic. Like i can literally like probably wrap all the volume two and three to you right now front to back. His new stuff is wack to me. I'm sorry lake. I know what this guy sounds like when he's trying his absolute hardest at wrapping. And this ain't it he's been mailing it in for basically i want to say basically since after watch the throne and as the last dope. Jc project from start to finish. I remember when meg mccarter. Holy grail came out. I'm like yo guys. This is terrible. Like i like to the standard that jay z is at where you from my money. He's pound for pound. Probably the first. The second best rapper. Ever so when. That's the standard. And i listened to you know some of the newer stuff and i'm just saying it. You know so. I know some people. There's different this strange home whole fans. There's people who are just grateful to have any new material. They love him so much in his people. Like me. And i'm just like now. The highs ridge is too high for me to settle for this. You know milquetoasts mailed-in you know soccer dad. Jay z. i just can't do it. No we're talking about. If you're talking about thrones and you're talking about endings j. j. had the perfect ending. You know i mean like. I think that there's been an album that i was as obsessed with as black album just in terms of like the the premise of the whole project the s dot carter mix tape kind of preceded it the actual record being like it's just these. What was a ten eleven tracks. Yeah and it was like with the ten eleven best producers right. And i think i m the only guest right if i remember probably the only guests versa and it was like the perfect closing statement. And it's like it's it literally is art versus congress. I mean like. I'm sure that he wanted to keep wrapping. I'm sure that there are other things that he wanted to do. The want it to be a different person and maybe the blackout ends of certain like cycle of his mic characters. But at the same time it's like what we want is like a fan or as a participant in the culture of rap music or tv or whatever where like we want we want close to close chapters and we want that to be the end of the book and then that's it is often not what works for an artist or for human being wants to just like keeping participant in this stuff but blackout for me was like you can't do it any better than that. You couldn't put a cap a career any better than that. And i don't know what i really ever expected for him after that a. Oh it's like. I guess i was just like with what i think it would be. The ideal execution would have been. Can you do three or four. More watch the thrones of like these sort of like inventive event. Albums with a collaborator. Yeah and i think that's what the joint with his wife beyond say was it was an attempt at recreating that but you know and illustrate my point. I'm gonna use jay z's words himself right. He had a piazza. An interview at soho beach house with elliot and be dot of rap radar fame and obviously elliott worked for title etc. Whatever Embiid dot was like. Yo you know. These people saying that The flow was kinda gone right like. Did you you wrapping off. Beat at times when was pretty much like recently recess. Okay yeah this interview is. It was around the time. When he came out with four album it was interviewing support of that album. And jay said. Look this thomas. I'm in the studio. I'm with dion. I'm just letting the beat play. And i don't have headphones on. I'm just literally talking to the beat. And then he says goalless in the marcy the flow is there and he's any. He said he said the beat. I'll never forget these said. Listen i'm the most on time. Rapper that you probably ever heard like you've never heard a person flow like me before. Yeah i'm on time on every single. Beat you know that. So if i'm offbeat is intentional right. So that's all i need to hear is. He's not trying like the last song on the album. Marcy is oh. This is the vintage this is jay z flora here. This is what. I came to see. And he does it at the end of the album. Yeah could still do it. I just don't. I'm not going to settle for that. I'm good. do you find yourself endlessly engaged with him though. Like do you still like or are you kind of like. I wish we could put this in the rear view and he just be an executive and like the music wasn't so much apart with it. Do you feel like you always like answer. The call when like this. I don't think i've ever said this in public before. But like the way that i engage with jay now is a bit of. I don't want to call it. disgust name. No it's like because like i've gotten older. My politics have become more sophisticated like jay. Z's hooper uber capitalist persona and like self image is so off putting to me and that's how i find myself engaging with him now as public persona is like the stuff that we used to think was cool about home. I'm not a businessman. I'm a businessman me hit my business damn like that's the kind of stuff that we used to think was amazing about. J you know are so rockaway for two hundred mil let did this blah like so extremely off. Putting in a time of record inequality in america. so that's how i find myself engaging with jay z. Now it's like damn bro. How much money is enough to do you find though that that affects the classic records factor in no right. I actually had. I think when i was really getting into jay and really starting to like kind of grappling with him i was i was sorta like there's parts of like the the coldness with which he raps about certain things that i find like a little bit. I don't know if i would like off. Just sorta like like yes. More personal reaction to the point of view the head and then as i think it was around three volume three where i was like. If you don't recognize guys pound for pound the best rapper pobably ever and formerly the most inventive and the most kind of like flawless and like tears align it has three meanings it completely sets up the next four lines and then the fifth line goes back as like a call back to something i said in the first line which is in fact a reference to something else like. You're just like this guy. And he's not writing it down and he actually found a sound that perfectly matched his flow with the especially when blueprint came out where it was just like you. Just you like salt rat unlocked it. Yeah and you know so the thing about it too. About the capitalists. The sort of you know impersonal nature of so much of hopes catalog is. This is where i get into problems with backpackers. I was explaining to a backpack of what sounds like. Yo you fuckers front on b. I g in real time. This is what you were hating on in real time be g. Are you shitting me bro. Right and so. That's why whatever but part of the critique of j has always been about the materialism in the excess and all of that but what i would say to that is rat better you. I looked better than you. I'm gonna take your girl. Xyz that's foundational to the form. Yeah the very first wraps ever that was the subject matter. So the braggadocio to the audacity. The basically coming at you. Like i'm better than you. That is absolutely foundational rap music from its inception. That's that's what the attitude was always has been so the idea that we could seek god for leaning into that. It's like are you. Call yourself pure hip hop this. This is about as pure as it gets. Yes i know. I know the message. Yes i know that you know what k- arrest came in and and Chuck chaldean and afterwards. I understand the concept of conscious rap in j. He's been very self consciously not a conscious rapper for most of his kuffour alliance sheriff his career right. But as you said like just the form of rapping of lyricism of like you said dublin triple autonomous and again the flow. Like i know it sounds cliche but yes as far as using your voice as an instrument on the record this guy is the best evidence so yeah when i listened to reasonable doubt. And he's talking about you. Know drug dealers in vegas not having enough as much money as him at a craps table. I'm like yes. That's what i did. You always have an emotional attachment to him no I was way more emotionally invested in nas and prodigy. So his thing. So i'm gonna put my age out the i'm thirty four years old. I'm forty three. Yeah so in. Nineteen ninety-five as eight-year-old when basically becoming conscious of what the music is that i like and the culture and the clothes and the way we talk in it is becoming conscious that i'm a hip hop person right and i'm living in brooklyn in east flatbush brooklyn at the time and bad boy is not just ascended they are just dominant. They are everything everything you cannot. You can talk to people about bad boy specifically what big was doing He was like is. I can't even explain it to you. The amount of emotion that was attached to big every body was emotionally attached to what he was doing in brooklyn like. He felt like he was hours. Just did so. Of course he passes away and there was a void like nonce was always there but there was clearly a void of like who is going to be that person for new york city. Yeah we're not always like the keen observer. Like i think everybody eight. I think nas admitted it himself. He's he's the guy who is sort of standing off to the side of watching everything and noticing the details that nobody else not- notice when you listen to shoot outs or you listen to like somebody has story songs were. He's obviously recording things from pieces of conversation. That was pretty much unparalleled from that time. One hundred percent naza. Somebody who was self consciously not commercial lighting. He went out of his way to not be commercially. He did what he did on. It was written on the second album. And all of the backpackers had a big connection doing songs and that everybody felt away about it. But that was kind of the big willy stuff. He did it one time and he moved on so somebody was had to sort of step into that. Void and jay z came out with volume one and it sold a million records. But he hadn't sort of did it yet. It didn't happen. Until can i get a hard knock life value to what really really really is when when he kinda just took his stint put his stamp on on the guy here. Now is gigolo. What's my name. Which is his own song on the first rough riders out. He's not fridays. No statue was so big that rough riders even was not jaycees album and i tell people this all the time i think that song is the most bombed on per play from fourth legs. Probably of my lifetime late. You know whatever this is new york city dockery stuff inside baseball stuff like funk flex like that bomb dropped when he when he pushed the button on a new song that he was trying to explain to the city. Like this or this guy or this is what's happening. He would do the flex thing. Running back play twenty times in a row play. A once offered fifteen minutes like performance are almost in that song specifically was like the moment that jay was like i. It's me now. I still remember being in a budget. Rent a van. I think i was moving and he inflex was debut in. Psa and i figure. I remember being like whatever the drive across brooklyn was to stopping my car the van and then just sitting in the van and it probably took like forty five minutes to get through. The entire song could flesh. Just stop it drop bombs and then he would just be like get focused. Be clear this is happening. And i actually was just like. I've no idea how long this song is if it is actually forty five minutes. I don't care it's like that's that is one of those songs it's like if you wanna make a forty minute version of psa. I would listen to it. One hundred percent and so yes so basically from that time. Well because i was at somebody in ninety six like jay was one hundred percent and niche thing. There were people. He had a very loyal following. There were people who were on it from the first one when he heard it and it was like i have never heard somebody rat like this but one hundred percent he was he was not some important figure. They would just people who are really tapping because he was speaking a language specifically about hustling selling drugs. That only certain people understood what he was saying. It was so deeply coated what he was saying that not. Everybody caught it right away. And then of course he comes out with the second album. Very so consciously. China co crossover. The the black st joint puffs on the album. He did the whole thing. He did this famously. They do to sunshine video and sunshine a great record by the way for the record. That's a great fucking song. I don't know why people pillory it so much but the video is a little goofy and cheesy and famously dame was like you know what we're done with this. We're going back to what we know. Put south streets is watching slash. Where i'm from video bulletproof vest in the video like this is what we do and i think that laid the groundwork for what was gonna happen if value to where he sells a bunch of records he you know he does. He does the groundbreaking hard. Knock life tour. Which is like the first sort of stadium tour of like everything happens afterwards but like it didn't happen right away so i wasn't on board right away it wasn't till value to i can admit that i went back and i started listening to reasonable and all of that stuff but i became a fan when he took over i was a bandwagon. I was for me. It wasn't until three. I think i think there was probably some late. And backpacker ship for me but there was also like a more of a deeply like i felt like more personally attached to reign ghost and nas mob deep of from that era and also like dow is also like a point. Where like coming out of wu tang and those first half dozen solo records we put out. It was kind of like this is the this. Is the whole world banned in anything else that's happening outside of routing was like was peripheral noise and you could be good but for me it was just like i can't think about anything but cuban linx or supreme clientele or or whatever. Now i was curious about. Do you think you'll ever love rapper. The way you love jay or do you think you'll ever have as deep relationship with rapper. The way you look like have with jay and we're obviously there's an age difference. But i do wonder whether there there is a guy that your guy there is a show that show or era of shows that your show arab shows maybe era movies that you're aware of movies and at a certain point you're kind of playing catch up or doing your do diligence to figure it out but you're never gonna love something that where you love that particular thing so i used to think the answer was no but then i want to say by the time. If you're reading this it's too late came out. I was like not only am. I super obsessed with the music that drake puts out. But like i'm a drake head like period like this guy might have surpassed j. for me and my head. As far as the music that phil super duper attached to write like is to be the drake thing right now. And i think it's different his difference between my attachment to j. in my attachment to drake. What he's doing when i was twelve years old and me and my homies on saturdays with chilling in my man's basement his parents just listened to wraps of running back. It'd be like yo. did you said in play. Lloyd banks rams back and forth for whatever that's all. We were kind of the music right when i was listening to jay when i remember when my man loaded freaking blueprint offer 'em irc labor day. Weekend in two thousand. And one and i went to his crib and we sat there and listened to this album together. That's kind of how we interacted with his music. The thing about drake and his music now is that. It's part of what i do in life. Meaning when i'm pre game to go out with the homeys we're playing it. We have to cook out. It's playing when i met delilah. It's playing when. I'm at the gym. It's playing when we're in the car it's playing like his music follows me throughout my life in a way where it was different. My interaction with the music. That i was listening to when i was fourteen years old. It was kind of we. Were kinda just dorking out if fanning out whereas this shit is part of a lifestyle now right like the music that that this guy's making is part of what i do in most specifically like i want to be jay z right. I wanted to wear as dots i wanted to. I did have hard collar button. Ups with jay z. Got rid of jersey. I did beg my mom. The body iceberg from century. Twenty one. I wanted to be jay z. I wanted to be fab. I wanted to be these guys when i was younger. Now i just interact with drake's music in on a level that is just integral to my lifestyle. And how i live but like when i was listening to jay would like a dynasty abba came out and flexes played you me him in her. A trillion times on radio is a different interaction. That i had with the music like i wasn't living my life. I was a kid. Yeah film me whereas now like drake album come out. I know wherever. I'm at that weekend. It's going to be playing. Do you think that that's conscious on the part of drake to permeate listeners. Life like you want wanted to be more the music. Does he want it to be like the soundtrack to your life. One hundred percent. He's tapped into it Just just just watch when certified love what comes out next month. I heard that his dropping on the twenty third. Don't quote me on that. But that's what i heard. That's where everybody comes to the watch to find out about. Drake drop dates for people who may not know. I think he is conscious of that stuff. He's conscious of the internet. Very coaches of how the internet sort of works in watch when drake's album comes out every single woman's instagram catching is going to be a line from the album. It's automatically one hundred percent but to get back to to get back to what you were saying. Is you know at my relationship with drake and his music is never going to be the same as hope because again. I don't want to be like him but like even somebody like young thug who i think slam language to. That's been my most played album so far this year that in the cold probably but slightly young thug is one of my favorite artists ever. No i'm not. I don't model my life after young. Doug right like i. I couldn't very few people could probably but like it's the same thing it's like slime languages what i'm playing what i have people over when we're making dinner when we're doing whatever we're doing like these are the guys that i'm listening to these newer kids. It is him it is traffic. It is even somebody like a baby keen. Who i'm really into right now. It is those guys even kodak black. Who's now like sort of problematic. It's he's a haitian. And i want to support him. But he's got some fucked up things going on in his life but it is those younger guys. Because i'm i'm not yet living a lifestyle of being in the crib taking my kids to school etc etc and so what. They put out more lines with how i'm living in. What i'm doing. This episode is brought to you by v. Eight plus energy in every eight ounce can of va plus energy. You're getting a combined serving of fruits and vegetables. you'll also get vitamin c and an excellent source of b. vitamins. All deliciously blended with fruits and veggies plant powered energy means that it's eighty milligrams of natural. Caffeine are made from tea with no added sugar and one v eight plus energy has only half the sugar of leading energy cars. The power plants with va plus energy power up. This episode is brought to you by the all new infiniti q x fifty five. The all new infiniti q x fifty five is a car that defies genres and expectations challenge the status quo with the only infiniti. Q x fifty five. This crossover coupe is made exclusively for the nonconformists. Those who know exactly what they like and aren't afraid to show it from the dramatic. Silhouette to the eyecatching two tone leather appointed interior and sleek dual screen infotainment system. This is a car that sure to turn heads lead the way. Let the world catch up learn more at infinity. Usa dot com and find your q. X fifty five today. This episode is brought to you by bank of america. You're ready to get back into yoga. So you ordered the essential a nasl. The yoga blocks to keep balance and an exercise ball. Andrew used bank of america customized cash rewards credit card choosing to earn three percent cash back on online shopping and up to five point two five percent as a preferred rewards member which you look toward your most essential yoga beer. Noise cancelling headphones apply for yours. At bank of america dot com slash more rewarding copyright twenty twenty one bank of america corporation. Wraps been a place where it's hard to age gracefully right. Like i think drake drake's actually one of the best ever do it in terms of like figuring out a way to stay relevant for such a long period of time like i remember. I remember going to see him at. Sob's god they must have been before so far gone came out like nine. Yeah it was. I went with with john kerry monica. We went to sob's and drake came on. And did i mean he did a lot of the songs that would wind up on so far gone but it was like it was kinda like obviously that this was going to be a really big deal when you saw and you saw also like people's reaction to songs that were not even officially released yet like you realize like stews really got it. But like the way that he's adapted to wave music has changed both in terms of its sonics but also in terms of the way people get it like for somebody who is pretty talented together an album. He has become like really adept off cycle song. Dropper you know. And i think it keeps him in the mix like you have to kind of like. I don't know the jays ever done that. I think jay probably jay is probably pass the sell by date anyway but it's really difficult to imagine. Jbl again here's three songs. I'll come back and four months with two more. Yeah and the people are gonna hate here in this because whatever drake has its detractors. There's never been anything like this. The idea that dude will go ten years straight for ten years. Drake is relevant song out period. Ten straight years and in the crazy thing is it can be argued that jay z was actually never the biggest rapper in the game at any point in his career. I mean even with black album. When i think he's probably as good as anyone ever wrapped is black album. But like i don't even know. I think black album in some ways was looked at as like a personal art exercise. Not as like a mass. There's hits on it for sure. I'm just saying i don't think those hits encore. Yeah like i don't know like. I don't think that those those songs were like blockbusters. No it could argued throughout the course of the whole thing when you talk about even ninety eight. Which is his breakthrough yet. That's the next came out. Yeah and those in d. was insane south. We'll tell you d mexico's more beloved that he was yeah insanely huge and then of course the eminem thing and then of course the fifty cent thing it goes on and on like at no point this it can be argued that he was at no point. The absolute apex biggest as far as most popular most commercially sold artists of his time. Right but we still just recognize him for his greatness. Drake has been the biggest rapper in the game for ten years just period. That's what it's been. And that's not to knock obviously coli kendrick and travis and you know even the chance moment which i'm pretty happy as over like even like those guys had like a big moments and near big. They're insanely huge in their own right. But like drake has been it for ten years like straight. There's a song out at any given moment pick a time in the last ten years dribs of relevant soil. Like nobody's ever done like you said in rat with longevity is it's almost unrealistic to even launch aim for that right like most people get to a point where it's like. Look i'm able to do my tourism. Be able to go to europe australia. Asia kit paper till the day that i die. And i'm fine i don't need to be at the forefront of this culture in this music that rat race and that churn but drake his did it. He's done it. It's impossible to to nail being too prolific versus being too scarce. The way he has like like you talk about somebody like kendrick and kendrick pretty much vanished. You know what i mean like. I think very consciously decided dick step back. There was like a buzz there for a second. When there is a td td like is like an album from td coming and then everybody can trigger some kendrick and then there was pretty definitively quickly like been like do bergonzi kendrick for a minute do you. Somebody like kendrick. Leaves leaves the stage. Cold like for that for too long like it runs counter to like their ability to develop any momentum. Artistically or creatively release. They're in their relationship with their audience. I think they very smartly crafted marketed. A self image of kendrick of being this album artists of him being sort of above the logistics in the mechanics of modern music. Me little bit reclusive. Right he's crafted that for himself. He's known as an album artist. Right so i think the public expects him to do bodies of work. He's conditioned the public to expect his work to come in a certain radiohead. Yeah right drake on the has done the opposite. He's like who's this rapper. You've never heard of blackboard. J. b. from memphis. Yeah i'm gonna do a song with him and it's not going to be affiliated with anything officially drink it is. I'm going to do it right. Who's this kid. Blue from mobile alabama. Webbie's from the marcus cousin passed me is tape in recorded a first to it. I'm gonna put it out right like drake is done. He's like i'll get on anything damn there like. He broke little baby. Who is now basically after the colds. The kendricks drake's little babies basically the fourth-biggest rapper. In the game. Probably right now. Drake broke that kid with that record right. Not that he didn't have a buzz in atlanta and all of that stuff he broke. Migos sachi drake lake. He's had the opportunity. It sort of molin. Of course you know people say oh that's drake they say he's he's always hopping artists waves. And all of that. And you go ask those artists with that did for their careers. Let them hop. On my way down changed. They changed my exchange project. Do you go in much nostalgia stuff like right now. I can't help but really liked the tyler song lumberjack which basically sounds like a mid arts gangster girls track and obviously and i've talked a lot before about about freely really liking griselda because brazil sounds like the music that we fell in love with when we were first getting into rap. Do you have like a nostalgic touch point or do you prefer stuff that turns the page so i definitely had a job where i thought i was passed it. I definitely did because again. I've been so like a lot of people would be like man. You go to a lot of these kids. And i'm like i kind of it's like a language that you have to learn right. Young thugs music is like it's an acquired taste like you have to really learn how to listen to what this dude makes and i got so tapped into that but at the same time when drake will put out something like six. Pm in new york. I'm like yeah this is it. This is hip hop back. It's crazy 'cause last year during the pilot decided like star and bucket to save time. But you said last year i had never been into freddie. Gibbs never really gave it a chance. If for whatever reason i was like let me throw on. His gangsta gives quick. He was going on and it became one of my favorite things to listen to him. Freddie gibbs us somebody who is. He's doing the thing that you're talking about doing that. Traditional sort of boom bap if you will type of rap does beads sipe dirty soil samples with mad lib who is like a legend in the field of sampling etc. Of course alchemists. Like if you do back to back albums with alchemy samantha. You're a certain type of record right right. I mean so. I found myself getting into. Of course i'm into. What the zelda guys do i think conway is like one of the most genius rap is ever. Her is my favorite resulted in. He's insane yeah he is insane. Lee good at raby. I'm so yes still. I'm still a sucker for. That's the that's the old head in me for sure. Definitely two thousand and one. Dj clue mixed tape listening to shells and telling everybody else. Shells is the next one is about the takeover the game eighteen. I'd say like. I'm definitely i feel like i'm always going to be tapped into that but i do definitely gravitate to the new stuff for sure. How did your music tastes change when you move us. You know it's crazy. 'cause i think right before i moved to los angeles i was getting into the house. Music wave because i was going to more festivals and I remember the first time in philly. And i just thought jay in them was genius for marrying the house. Edm for lack of a better word side with the rap side like it was like it was like a eureka moment for me whereas like yo. I'm really into the house now. Like i really really fuck. With calvin harris like just a pop stuff that he does that goes crazy by the sort of deeper deep house routes stuff that he gets into. This is fine. Like i really messed with disclosure so moving out here. That type of music is definitely more conducive to driving through the freaky laurel canyon. Yeah understand what. I'm saying it's different. You know this of the two. I do get like wack nostalgic corny chills. Every time i drive over the williamsburg bridge into downtown manhattan into les his. Like wow what a city. Yeah you know about that feeling for sure but i think house music specifically the vibrations that you get off of that are definitely more. La censure to me right like it's just more it's just happier. And so i found myself listened to a lot of that more that i'm here on the west coast for sure and i think i like stuff like bay area in la rap music more now. Yeah that i mean. That definitely happens when you move out here. It's like there's this weird thing. Especially like i think for our generation growing up there was still a pretty decided regionalism to the extent that he took me a while to get in to atlanta stuff and it took me a while to get into like same houston like it. Just even if i could respect you g k. It was like took me a minute to be like. Oh this is why is like maybe one of the top five rappers ever likes it. It just doesn't there's certain parts of it that don't quite connect with the east coast metropolis brain. Sometimes but when i moved out here i think a lot of it became oriented around driving. You know what i mean like. It's interesting to hear you say that's off about house music because i think so much of it is contextual like i remember in the early two thousands i was interviewing these dudes james murphy and tim goldsworthy who is an lcd sound system. And they had this. Production duo called. Dfa death from above so they were day. Basically had a studio and throw dance nights. And i was interviewing them about all these records that they were producing at the time like the rapture and stuff like that and goldsworthy was basically like the problem with america's you guys have never ecstasy revolution. I don't know people in america. Take ecstasy and he was like an england in the nineties came and everybody started dance and just the most square dude in england is still taking a pill on a friday night and dancing until five in the morning and it's like a completely normal part of like english social culture. I couldn't be man. I just say listen to the funk rock and everything is real hill nervy dances put that did change in new york at that time when then like this. This kind of postponed disco feel came in and then the house stuff really exploded. But when you move out here yeah it's like if you you either go to clubs or you drive around a lot. You do both. Maybe but like it's like when you drive. It really changes your relationship to your music because it's not like oh man it's just like me and five people in an apartment living room just like right vibing out. You're your traffic and it's going to be this this for a while and you know what's important about that home he said to you right is being here. Sometimes for a certain type of music you have to see it within its own ecosystem to fully grasp it like the first time i went to oakland and i heard bay area music being played amongst bay area people and watch that reactions like it gives you a much better understanding of how the music works. Works have functioned. Same thing with a festival like you might have your own ideas about what. Edm music is house. Music is or whatever but once you see it in that environment and you see how people are reacting to it you get an understanding for what the power of the actual music is right. And i think that's the same thing for me from moving out to the west coast right like like i literally like you said would sit in a basement with five other dudes listen to rap music and have formal discussions about the lines in the music. The nerdy is is thing possible. Whereas like if you go to a kickback out. Here in la and it's outside and it's february and it's seventy two degrees and this is the music that's playing you get a better feel for. I could have on the frequent subway at six forty five in the morning when he's eighteen degrees and you're you're waiting for the train outside. I and it's freezing rain sideways. Exactly it's a little different right so your interaction with the music becomes different once you see it in its proper element as somebody who basically professionally talks for a living. Do you find yourself. Do you think that pods wind up competing for the space that music would normally have for you or do. They compete with the space that you would spend watching tv movies. I think for me is definitely competing with the pods in the sense that for with the music like the pods compete with music. Yeah since that. I listen to so many podcast not just for entertainment but like literally for work right. It's like i need to consume this shit so that i can do so. I can repurpose it for myself. I know. I know. I know what i mean. So it's like it's part of the job is to listen to people talk about the nba. Like for me. I feel like as part of my job to be like. I am thinking this way island. I wanna he has to say about x. y. and z. Right like it becomes part of your job as somebody who works in this field but like even people who don't when i talked to me like. Yeah i'm at the gym and listen to a podcast. When i'm in the car. I'm playing podcast when cooking in the crib playing a podcast. So even people who are doing this for living like you and i are are finding themselves playing. Todd's rather than music one hundred percent case music winds up changing the it's like it's like the emotional thermostat. It's like if you sometimes you wanted to change the temperature and sometimes it just changes the temperature without asking you like. I will just beyond like a picking up food run and if i put on a. Tom waits ballad or like a maguire song. I might just wind up like being kinda shattered. I'm going to pick up a pizza. And i have no intention to and god bless russillo. He doesn't necessarily do that to me. You know like russillo is just gonna be like yelling about about ben simmons for twenty minutes and then on like dan bet i got the pizza and i come back and i'm the same move that i was when i left the house. That's the thing that music really does. Is it really does have a tendency to shape. Whatever like emotional color palette. You're working with whether you like it or not. Yeah it's funny. It's funny you would say that 'cause you know some of my favorite stuff is when you're out at a social event and seeing people react to a dj who knows what the hell he's doing like what what a dj is doing emotionally manipulating crowd. That's what's happening like. He's eliciting feelings at his fingertips with what he plays next or how. He combines a transition or a blend or whatever like that's exactly what it is it's like you're inciting emotion from people whereas like when. I'm listening to dan harley cartons hardcore history on nine high laughing every case to drop not exactly so that is part of it. You know the emotional part of music is. That's not quite the same as podcasts. Literally just trying to learn about why joe mansion refuses to vote to get rid of the filibuster. Right like really. There's no diplo remix for that. Exactly yeah you know when you go out and you hear people play records in a really really everything lines up it. It is one of the singular experience man like the the tension between basically the expected. And the unexpected. It's like you have the thing that you know. This person eventually is going to play and when he plays it at the right moment. It's going to just completely blow the room up versus the. I can't believe this guy picked this out of the stacks to surprise me or like change. The mood of the night is just. It's so great. I haven't done it obviously like in a while but i used to go to shortstop which is bar on sunset near dodger stadium. They had some really great night's like that. What else do we have before we go. Do you want to just sing the praises hacks before let go axes axis dope in the sense of like. The show is so aware that it's a comedy show. And i i find it to be kind of charming right like i think. That's it's got heart but it is aware that we're supposed to be trying to make you laugh in between which can appreciate but i do appreciate the more delicate moments of the show to right like you could like doing good stuff with like the overbearing mom and the trifling sister who steals the husband and the underachieving daughter and like they're doing the delicate interpersonal stuff really well and also trying to make us which i can appreciate so i'd like it. You know it gets heavier. And then i'll even the second. Half of the season is a lot heavier than the first half for sure. Yeah i'm even ready for. But i'm i'm into the show i think of episode seven right now i'm looking forward to. I've been slowly. You know unscrewing it. Because i'm like look. I know i'm not gonna have anything else to watch after i'm done with this but i've really been enjoying it. Do you like look forward to win the nba. Season's over you're gonna have like. I'm gonna go get into like a three or four season-long show i'm gonna go get like a project going one hundred ten. What's on the wishlist. What's on the the wise like the summer projects men you know. I'm not really sure. I don't i don't really have a list. I just know. I can browse the vary streamers that we all now have right whether be hulu. Netflix aches picot. Hbo like the library is so dense and so rich. Like i didn't watch friends in real time. I might give it a try. You know. I'm like do i really want to watch this show with absolutely zero black. Feel like doing this. But it's like you know it's cultural phenomenon. Sometimes you want to do your own sort of research right like i watched the graduate for the first time two hearing about this for the first time. This movie has come up throughout my life on consuming content dedicated to the history of film. Right like this movies constantly coming up. Let me watch this thing. I was like the concept. This dude this awful would have both of these beautiful insanely beautiful women. Smart women would want him really and he's like five foot one. Come on bro. Come on sledding. Dustin hoffman yet when you go back and watch like older movies like that. Do they play for you though. Yeah for sure for sure for sure. I could still play for me. And some of these guys have frigging genius is right like hbo. Max is has been good at your reading their there'd be library. The lot of the classic movies catalogs watching al pacino in serpico. And i'm like oh this guy while you know pretty good actor dave good. Yeah all right man. We'll have to have you back on after the nba season. Once you've you've embarked on watching project and you're going to keep you abreast at the list develops and yeah. We'll get something going for sure all right. You can catch on group chat. Every week you'll be hearing a lot more of him as the summer goes on as we get into the fall. A lot of cool projects come up. Thank you so much for joining me. On the watchman of course. Thanks for having me. I'm officially a baranowski.

jay z drake jay basketball heineken Sean fantasy amanda dobbins andy greenwald radin zick wasi lambert tex watson jessa walker jack mccoy lennie briscoe benin Molly bez brooklyn netflix George r r martin
Charles Manson And The Family

Let's Start A Cult

47:51 min | Last month

Charles Manson And The Family

"Sarah do some prior fidis. Two lads raw improved for their pocos coca. Cola's comedy quite owners. The up never listened to 'cause it sounds like i. Why tell you is that my show. Ought he's audits. Tax is one of the segments and that is an absolute creaky barn. You call miss out on the hell thome. You meant to promote our show. Not slagging off a couldn't care less smart you should. you're on the podcast. Yeah how 'bout gratitude malka right vast greet accepted giving it to you with the pristine. Sorry listen to my show. Cooler comedy onapple fi amateur councils. The cost rises. Hi fred. my name is josh show host of the. Let's call podcast. The podcast banned from tiktok for speaking against and on. That's right tiktok confirmed hyun on supporter and that is definitely not a conspiracy theory. Let me introduce to my guests. This episode they are from the dark and informative true crime podcast crime compulsion from serial killers to unsolved mysteries. This amazing husband and wife do tackle. Please welcome to the podcast care and then how you guys doing today. We're doing good amazing. Wow that's awesome. I think was describing us that way. How would you did i did. I miss anything. That's way better than i could on perfect in today's episode of let's start a cult. We will be talking about charles. Manson and the horrific murder spree that he orchestrated arguably one of the most infamous cult leaders of all time the things that he ordered his family to do forever shattered the sense of safety and security that the american public enjoyed now. So so this episode actually came together much differently than any of my other episodes. Usually i just surprised my guests with the cult. Mostly because i enjoy the fear that you don't know what's coming you guys actually requested to do the manson family together. So i have to ask off the bat. What is it about the manson family. That made you come on the show. You i answer that or do you want me to go ben. Karen is obsessed with that case. That's what made us want to do it. He tries tries to be like. Oh he's this. Big real hippy guy. But he's like a sociopath tribute or right like he just he wanted to be a rockstar. He was a con man. And he's not this hippy. Guy yeah he does come off for trade a lot in the media as just as hippie probably because of the drugs mostly and the long hair yeah. He does fit the narrative a lot but he is way smarter than i think. The public gives them credit for and much more devious. I think than a hippie. Oh yeah definitely. Most hippies don't orchestrate Mass murderer say they're just hugging trees and smoking weed. Smokin trees damage. This is why. I have you on bed. It sounds like you have some some knowledge on the topic. So if i miss anything hopefully you can jump in and correct me or throw something in ben. I'm mostly here for your quick quips and we'll go from there onto let you down. We're gonna start off with the early years of charles born on november twelfth nineteen thirty four in cincinnati ohio charles. Manson was the son of a sixteen year old prostitute named kathleen who often started and ended the day with a bottle of liquor which nowadays is pretty common but back in the days not so much the typical friday night. yeah exactly it's it's pandemic. it's fun. She christened her son. Charles mills mattocks eventually changing his surname to the now infamous manson. When she married a local man named william eugene manson who worked at a dry cleaning business from the get-go kathleen showed little interest in being a mother to her son. During one instance. She took him to a cafe where a waitress who found. Young charles adorable. Joey asked if she could buy him in response. Kathleen said that her son could be changed for a pitcher of alcohol after finishing this she got up left him at the cafe and never looked back. It took charles uncle several days of frantically searching for him throughout the entire town before he managed to locate the waitress So you to our parents. I don't know. Have you ever come into someone asking you to buy your kid. That seems a little weird not yet. Maybe we just having enough places with him. Kids just aren't better door to god. My question is. I hope that that bottle was like a good one then at least some top shelf liquor that was offered for. I'm gonna guess it wasn't. It was at a cafe like this is what we have under the counter. This is. This is what i brought into work today. So here you go. Yeah so pretty terrible. Start to his childhood already. You can clearly see where some of his repressed emotions come one. Hundred percent due to. His mother's indifference charles was instead shipped off to various relatives. All of whom failed to provide them with the warmth and welcoming home that he so badly craved for instance. Grandmother was a religious nut. Well one of his uncles frequently ridiculed his feminine nature. Another uncle committed suicide. Upon learning. That has properties would be seized even though he had been his nephews. Primary guardian at the time living with relatives did nothing for charles and so he attempted to reconcile with his mother in the hopes that she had discovered her maternal instincts during their time apart he was sorely disappointed though. Kathleen remained uninterested in playing the part of a mother to him overlooked by relatives and ignored by his own mother. Nine year old charles began to seek attention elsewhere. His shoplifting antics landed him at the guild School for boys in tara hoedt indiana. It wasn't long before here. This gave from the facility. Despite its strict security measures very wily. He's nine years old and he's shoplifting and getting i like escaping from basically prison which is pretty impressive. I'll give it to him. It's already showing that criminal mind very true. Yeah he's showing that he's smarter than the average hippy. Someone that we covered was at that same boy. School was lipstick killer. Bam think so interesting. What i have to. We have to go on this. What did the lipstick killers. So he was connected to the three murderers debatable. John douglas the fbi guy the mind hunter guy actually like backtracked not too long ago and said that he is convinced that william higher ends actually was not the killer. Very interesting and a supposedly. He murdered three women and that's why they call them the lipstick killer because he birdied widow. What was second murder. He either took like a tuba lipstick from the victim or apparently brought his own and wrote a message on the wall. Saying something like in just of you need to stop me now. I can't stop myself and that's how we get dubbed the lipstick killer okay. That's an interesting case. Definitely go check that out. It's kind of funny. How how they name killers back in the day. They're just like oh you use lipstick to write this one time. He's the lipstick killer now. Even though it sounded like he was crying for help so yes did not wanna kill. Yeah exactly so. After charles escaped. He was intercepted by authorities and sent back. However this was only the beginning in childhood filled with one youth reform school and when escape after another the year that charleston seventeen saw him arrested after being caught driving a stolen car across state lines. This wouldn't be his last time in federal prison and when he was released for the last time on march twenty first nineteen sixty seven he had already acquired a rap sheet. That was a mile long filled to the brim with various charges. Related to auto theft assault and petty larceny vinyl prisons involved a seven year. Old seven year sentence at mcneil island penitentiary per get sound where he was taken. After being convicted of crossing state lines with intent of prostitution and while inside he began flirting with the idea of scientology and also began considering a career in music at pawn. Getting out charles did try to it as a musician after his release however he instead became famous for something else entirely. I think we all know that is but It is kind of cool that he actually on not cool. I that word but he flirted with the idea of scientology which is very interesting. Also crazy about that so he took like one hundred and thirty hours of like scientology classes in prison dishes. Sounds a little too crazy for me but not for tom cruise. Tom cruise danny said that. Sounds like my cup of tea on this couch right. Yeah so. I haven't done scientology. I keep flirting with the idea of that as well. So no man your last episode. Oh that'll be fun. I'll make it a five part series just to go there you go in inflames. Yeah well. I'm in canada. Maybe they can't reach me after prison. Charles headed off to san francisco california with only a guitar and a bag of hallucinogenic drugs to his name. Which is the best way to head to san francisco because any other way to go to california absolutely should they stop at the state border and make sure that you have at least those two items. Yeah they're like sir. Where's your guitar in your bag drums. He found the city's the city's bohemian and young atmosphere. Incredibly appealing believing it to be the perfect source of inspiration for his music. Thanks to his innate charisma to attract a small group of young adults who shared his interests and beliefs among them was twenty. two year old. Mary brunner a will wisconsin native. Who worked as a librarian. At the university of california's berkeley campus charles was a older mary. However this huge age gap didn't stop her from quickly falling in love with him enticed by the life he offered which was a far cry from the monotonous existence that she'd been leading he introduced her to hallucinate genyk drugs and her usage increase. Sodas her obsession with them. Yeah i mean being a librarian is definitely the monotonous pirates. Someone offers you drugs. You're going to probably go with just to get some spark in your life. Typically when you do more drugs you need more drugs. Yeah exactly who knows if she was actually into him or just the drugs and the drought for a lot of our something. That's very true. Actually after moving in together. Mary quitter cushy job and began preaching to others about charles ideologies and the life that he could provide them with with her persuasive words and his magnetism. They quickly amassed a small following by nineteen sixty eight thirty four year old charles had become the leader of a group that he referred to as the family it consisted of a like minded group youth who found themselves enthralled with sinister prophecies and religious teachings which combines science fiction with the occult and fringe psychology. So you know scientology basically. It's there's a lot of overlap. I think considering you took so many courses in particular charles sold them. On the idea that an apocalyptic war would soon lay waste to the united states paving the way for the family to gain fame. Power and dominance. He claimed to have experienced visions of the scene. Although experts would later claim that he'd been merely suffering from delusions. Which i think we probably could have all cast experts for that the beatles all about god and the beatles were talking directly through him. We can thought that the white album like that was his message to him. The helter skelter. Yeah the actually. That's the next next paragraph so here you're right on track. I should just let you take care of what i was gonna say. So how helter skelter lake. He thought he was convinced. That was the message to him about this crazy like coming like race war but honestly i think he just confused like the black power movement and he was like really high and he just wanted power and he was also mad that he wasn't a rockstar is a racist a huge as well. Yeah yeah yeah. You're exactly right with that. He he believed that the song helter skelter spoke to him and predicted an interracial war. That would take place in the summer of sixty nine. In which black. Americans would rise in slaughter every single white american they laid there is on in revenge for what they and their ancestors had been put through which. If we're being honest i wouldn't hundred. Yeah exactly yeah hard to tell if these racist or if he just truly believed it from the drugs. It's it's hard to tell a little bit of both. You're probably right actually. Yeah yeah as terrifying. His vision was charles told his family that his prophecy had shown that they would survive the massacre if they managed to hide in the underground city of gold in the heart death valley. Charles delivered these sermons while high on a mix of lsd magic mushrooms and other hallucinogenic drugs. Given as a nate charisma and passionate speeches. it was easy for him to convince followers what he was saying. It was the truth. I mean. I think if you're going to try and convince people being high is probably the best way to do it. It takes away all your stage fright. You just immediately picture them all as insects or whatever. I don't sound like you're speaking from experience. I do every single episode high on loosening. I can't even speak so all the drugs. You guys are just exactly also helps the. He was a rule that his followers also had to do lsd. So it also helps when your audience just incredibly high as well absolutely i. It's it makes what watching terrible content that much more enjoyable. Which i think most people watching netflix can confirm on. They drank bella. Donna t all the time to you. So they weren't really fucked up. Yeah yeah they had my next sentence here the they were also high on drugs. The members of the family saw their leader as a figure akin to jesus christ a prophet. Whose words should be followed if they wanted a chance at life. So you could see how much they revered him. As you said whether it be off the drugs or or actually believing. His charisma charles enjoyed his status as the head of the family. He continued to harbour dreams of his music career. This let him to approach one of his friends. A music teacher named gary heinemann. Who in turn introduce them to dennis. Wilson one of the co founding members of the popular nineteen sixties rock band. The beach boys. Dennis loved the song that charles had come up with even going so far as to record one of them under the title never learn not to love he also arranged a meeting with the renowned producer. Terry melcher however this amounted to nothing and the disappointed charles returned to his family So kind of in the same arc is Hitler in a little bit here. Not to compare the two. They're buried different levels of terrible. But hitler applied to go to art school and got rejected. And you know under that's like it harbors a certain amount of anger. And and i think that begins to come after this as we'll probably see it's like that's where it took a turn for like darker more frenetic energy for him. Yeah white men are fragile and when when we are disappointed it doesn't go well in in history which is a very sad What was crazy about him meeting the meeting. Dennis from the beach boys as he moved in with dennis for months. Yeah him and his whole family and part of the reason that dennis really liked him was not because of his music because yeah mike basically treated them as sex slaves and made them have sex with whoever whenever they wanted so that he could do so charles could do whatever he wanted. Do we have to cancel the beach. Boys especially those and like the actual mansion that they moved into denis's mentioned so he was renting it after her few months get sick of them and tried to kick them out but they just refused to leave and so ben is literally just moved out himself and the deal with it. Oh my god that's that is terrible on like just what a way to treat people and crazy to think. He had so much success with the beach boys after all this. Yeah that that's that's sad and we're going to start a hashtag canceled beach boys even though i don't know if any of them are alive anymore. Yeah that's true. After deciding that they and their ambitions had outgrown san francisco. The family relocated to the abandon span ranch which was situated south west of san fernando valley. It been in a popular filming location during the nineteen forties and nineteen fifties playing a role in many thrillers and westerns. At the time it also proved to be the perfect place for the family who turned the property into a compound reserve only for them in the belief that this was the first step. In surviving the apocalyptic racial war. Just saying that is ridiculous title. Not everything went to plan. Though when the summer of nineteen sixty nine came and went without a single black americans seeking revenge. The family decided to take matters into their own hands to kick start the conflict. They murdered gary heinemann charles long time acquaintance on july twenty fifth nineteen sixty nine. It'd be like oh the race were happen. Let's start our own like what a what we'll make the prophecy come true. It's i don't some backwards logic. But i guess that's every culture and that no follows This does not seem right then. Yeah the prophecy didn't come true. Guys yes i guess at that point for in your that baden. You're like have. I wasted my life and time just following this guy It's it's hard. Maybe face that reality so you convince yourself of anything else. I guess so. This is the time when his followers started dropping off because of that reason nothing pushed him to created himself yet. Which is a good point as well to help keep some kind of control over everything for sure. Charles told his followers that gary's death was for the public good a- privately. He had been under the impression that his friend had inherited approximately twenty thousand dollars which have gone a long way in sustaining them at the relatively remote span ranch with the promise of a big payout. He ordered his most loyal followers. Bobby oli susan atkins and mary brunner to carry out the murder. But despite the trio's best effort at torturing gary heinemann he refused to budge and continue to hurt that there was no money in this home frustrated. Charles slices ear and cheek with a samurai sword that he had brought with nice all. If you're going to a murder you might as well bring sam rice else bring. it's every nerds dream. They get finally use it unsurprisingly. This left a huge mess and twenty two year. old bobby. Soley was given the sorted task of cleaning everything up however he panicked and send ended up killing gary. This turned out for the best though with charles deciding that they would use the body of his old friend. To spark the apocalyptic interracial war that they had claimed would happen so always glass half full with charles day dipping their fingers into gary's blood bobby and the two girls wrote the words political pig on the wall of their victims home to further convince the authorities that it had been a racially motivated crime. They also drew appropriate which implied that the murder was committed by the controversial african american organization. The black panthers. I don't know if they thought that entirely. I guess their thinking on the fly here. But like why would the black panthers in like mark. The wall like to let everyone know that they did it. I don't think that accomplishes much worst way to try to frame them. Yeah be a little bit more subtle about. The police weren't convinced that gary had been killed by the black panthers obviously and a few days after the murder. They arrested bobby batali whom they found sleeping inside the victims car still in the bloody clark that he still in the bloody clothes. It's like you could've been anywhere else. You know what i mean. Basically should've just waited by the dead body. Just for them exactly yeah. He should've just waited and said i did. It was definitely not the black. Panthers arrest me now. So essentially what he did. He also attempted to conceal the knife that he had used in his trunk truck tire quickly and covered too so clearly. A mastermind In the end. Bobby was convicted of murder and sentenced with the death penalty which was later commuted to life. Imprisonment is the rest however came only a few days before the family committed the horrific massacres that they would eventually become known for. Yes so that's a. That's a heavy one hobby. It's tough because i know he comes out later on in life talking about how he felt he was influenced very strongly and like it. He can be blamed for the murders necessarily but yeah definitely not the smartest move to sleep in the car and not even try to get away with it unless these a hell of a drug man. That's true that's true. Whatever the tea was that. You mentioned on august ninth nine thousand nine hundred sixty nine charles. Manson ordered for members of his family. Ted watson suzanne atkins linden sabina and patricia krenwinkel to head up to eleven five zero to leo drive in los angeles where they were murdered. The people inside this property belonged to the music producer. Terry melcher who had once looked down on charles and his dreams of music career. At the time though the home had been leased to the actress sharon tate who was married to the world renowned film director roman polanski roman was away working on a movie set in europe though and his heavily. Pregnant wife was being visited by your friends. Jc bring wood jr inskeep. You cousy and abigail fuller fuller. Older folger's bolger family does the coffee. Oh yes she's the air to the are was damn. There's so many like cool little tidbits of facts in this story. Like 'cause i guess it is in hollywood right so everyone's related to someone and one of the guys that was there was her ex fiance was her was her ex fiance. Oh was sharon tasteless ex-fiancee. All four of them were inside the home on ceelo drive when the family broken upon which the put up a valiant struggle in a bid to save their lives however they were no match for charles followers who arm themselves to the teeth with guns and knives and probably very high so they just do not get shit if we assume anything from the past many years as well sharon did all she could to save the life of her unborn child even going so far as to beg the family to allow her to give birth living room. Her pleas went unheeded. Though and ultimately every single person in the house was found with multiple horrific stab wounds. Jc bring had seven abigail folder. Had over twenty eight so they clearly didn't like the coffee terrible joke for ski suffered fifty one and sharon tate had sixteen. Besides these four. The family also killed a man named steven parent who unluckily enough had decided to stop by the property as he was the caretaker charles had ordered his family to leave behind a witchy signed and so susan atkins in a horrifying echo of the first murder. You sharon tate's blood to write the word pig on the front door. I don't know he clearly didn't learn from the first buying into it. Yeah the pigs. Like what is that gonna do. Also the nest. What the black panthers referred to police and then you're gonna name these high profile white people as pigs like what they would have done anyway. Yeah we'll exactly an- and add on top of it. You're connecting it to the very last murder where the guy who's very heavily involved in your group killed someone it obviously going to. It's going to lead to you guys very clearly. It's not there masterminds geniuses. Maybe ben is right. This guy is just a dumping now. This actually happened like three or four days before woodstock okay. They could have been like getting high and listening to music and make their voyage but instead there were off killing people could have been enjoying the beach. Boys probably connected well. Everyone inside that ceelo drive home. Had been slain. Turn of events was far from what charles had originally envisioned in particular the panic that the victims experience as well as abigail folger's near successful escape attempt disgusted him his desire to clean the crime scene. So no cd guy for murders. I think though he's he's also apparently like really mad that they didn't steal more like money and items for money no too because apparently this time that they were like extremely hungry and like incredibly broke. They were highest shit. Like you're going to ask a bunch of young kids on lsd to actually do shit properly. Come on yeah exactly. They're they're just a bunch of as a bunch of hippies. How do you expect them to perform a clean. Cut murder and get away unscathed in. I mean fair enough. They should definitely took more money. Because what do they really get it from this murder. They get this false sense of they're going to frame the black panther movement like i don't understand really what they're getting from all of this. You know. I think some of them really were psychopaths and sociopaths. And they would at some point on something terrible regardless because susan brad to her jailmate about the murders and. She said that she was planning on cutting out. Tate's baby out of her belly but she just didn't have enough time to do it while cheeses can't we also don't stab someone. Fifty fifty one towns fifty seven times if order not enjoying it and then somebody got step twenty seven times like yeah they clearly were either overly enthusiastic or they got pleasure out of it. Yeah that point. It's like you've almost stabbed a total of. I dunno quick matt. it's over eighty times. Probably a in total. That's pretty crazy. I don't know what would you inskeep. sorry yeah kerr. Winkler karma so weird. Yeah it is very weird name. I don't know why they decided to stab them for fifty one times be. She was getting back more. I don't i don't know but there yeah as you said. That is clearly some sort of enjoyment out of the entire thing where they probably could have stabbed him five times and finished the job and then got the money wrote pig on the door because they needed to and then gotten out of there but clearly not masterminds in any sense of the word again. He was frustrated by his family's to correctly. Carry out his orders. Which was why the following day on august. Ten t ordered them to drive out from spain ranch once more this time. He increased the band of murderers by including two more of his loyal followers. Leslie van houghton and clem grogan. He also accompanied the group in order to show them how to properly and neatly murder people. Because what better way to. They get hands on experience from your teacher. My right accords. The family headed to thirty three. Oh one waverly drive where the supermarket executive leno labianca and his wife rosemary lived there. They bound the couple and cover their heads with pillowcases which they secured in place using a lamp cord that they had found in the living room. Tex watson the de facto leader of the group ordered the woman to take rosemary into the bedroom before proceeding to stab leno. With a bayonet his final thrust went straight through the businessman's throat a fatal blow. That undoubtably ended his life. However the women were less successful with rosemary who fought them off by viciously swinging the lamp tied around her neck. Even though the pillowcase obscure vision tex watson had to be called inside the room where he stabbed her with the bayonet that have been used killer. Husband leslie van. Houghton later stabbed her as well. So yeah kind of is a sad ending. But i mean kudos to rosemary for fighting off lately. Yeah getting the lamp tied around her neck instability. Just going just going to town fighting off a group of people. That's yeah that is bad as if we should remember any name it sir. Hers leaving the property. The family again sought to leave behind their mark. Because you can't do it right to stick with leno's abdomen. Tex watson carved the word war while patricia wrote rise and death to pigs on the wall of the box using their blood and on the couple's refrigerator door she also misspelled put a misspelled version of helter skelter in reference to the inner racial war that they were trying to start. She had one job job. Hilter sir she. She had to rise and death to pigs as well as much as she can remember correctly she got hit in the head with a lamp. You want from her just trying so hard to start this race war and it's clearly not only debt the pigs but you haven't killed any like actual pigs murder you're killing like high profile white people in then really old white people like them on. Yeah i have no doubt if they tried to kill anyone even remotely trained that they would have gone on this long. Yeah immediately and not to say like like rosemary fought off and tried her best and it is a terrible thing that happened to these people but definitely picking on people. Who are there in ev. More vulnerable state like a pregnant woman and old people you know. It's not easy prey. Yeah exactly and it's kind of disgusting. The murder on waverly drive may have been much cleaner than the one on. Ceo drive but it was no less horrific medical examiner later. Found out that lino blue-blocker Stab wounds while his wife's body board forty one. She's any of which have been done post mortem so as you said it's it's very clear that they enjoy it all of this kind of disgusting oh and susan atkins the same one. She defecated like in the house. Not in the restroom but like on a staircase on the way out just to like further. Add insult to injury. And we didn't have dna stuff back then. So i guess it was probably harder to identify but that is a next level sociopath psychopath. I don't even know what you classify that as. I'm just trying to picture like putting myself in their situation. You've just murdered a bunch people and you're still at the crime scene. There's no way. I could defecate when you gotta go. You gotta go. That's true that's true. I guess i'm going before. I'm like tex-mex shit. Hi fred future josh here realizing after the fact that he forgot to record a terrible intro for his advertisements and the companies that support me demand them. So imagine that. I had said you know who doesn't stab people forty one times. Oh jesus no. That's that's dark. You know who doesn't give the youth of america hallucinogenic drugs. No no what drunk company sponsors me. Oh you know who doesn't wanna start a race war the products and services. That support this podcast. Please enjoy some ads. Today's episode is brought to you by a meal. A meal is a travel booking platform. That makes planning a journey in europe. North america effortless. Just enter your travel deals and amelia will magically give you all the train bus fleet and barry options for your journey. It's never been similar to book your first real vacation for twenty twenty one best of all using o. Mio saves you time and money. That's a win win. And our books omya wants to help you leave your house to summer by offering five percent off your next booking just had to me dot com and use the code listener five at checkout valid until the thirtieth of june for new users on all modes of transportation. It's just the pick me up. Twenty twenty one needs a meal plan book and loved the journey terms and conditions apply. It took the local authorities several months to determine who was behind the tragic murders but in december one thousand nine hundred sixty nine. They finally caught up to charles. Manson and the family a few months later on july twenty fourth nineteen seventy. Their trial began. There was no doubt that charles had orchestrated the murders however that didn't stop several members of his family from continuing to support him. In fact. kathy. Gillis kitty lead singer sandy. Good and brendan mccain. All kept a vigil throughout the entire trial kneeling on the hot sidewalk outside the los angeles hall of justice with their shaved heads bowed in solidarity some carve xs into their forehead like they were still doing literally whatever he told them or did they just do it so they saw him do it and then they did the same thing and then they turn because it's his started as an act before it became a swastika so they were describing him. That's not great that is usually you. What kind of power and manipulation. He had over them that even after he's arrested not even telling them anything they're still just following blindly and they shaved their heads and carter xs on their him. So what was the whole deal was shaving. Their heads like why. Why did they do that. Maybe it's just way too hot off gets you man i honestly i'm not sure why they shaved their heads. I don't think they even knew. Yeah it could've just been at that point. You're probably going crazy from the heat. The defense put up a good fight but the evidence was just too overwhelming and impossible to refute. They also had to deal with the sentiment of horrified american public. Who couldn't stomach the idea how much a bunch of wealthy people living in a huge gated mansion was brutally killed by a group whom they perceived to be mere drugged up hippies which is fair No all the parents that are like telling their kids hall. You can't do drugs. You don't wanna be a hippy. You're gonna turn out to this and they're like man we're just about peace and love and then this happens and the parents like odd told you. Yeah i going to be honest. I think this this had a huge influence on on america when it comes to like drug legalization i think then nixon got elected so yeah like it. Both of these rightback are back to back. Why were the state that we're in today. You guys taxing drugs for years and you'd be it'd be great right. I never murdered anyone high on that you remember i remember. That's true. Are there pawprint sir or any any bloodstains your house. She tried to say that our kids drawn on. The walls didn't look like crown. All of those involved in the tate labianca massacre were ultimately found guilty on june twenty-fifth nineteen seventy-one charles. Manson was convicted of first degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder which landed him. The death penalty capital punishment however was by the california supreme court the following year which was why his sentence was commuted to life imprisonment. Which if there's anyone who probably deserved the death penalty might have been him. My you might have deserved it. During his incarceration charles reportedly received more mail than any other prisoner in the united states. Most of these containing questions regarding his motivations given that he apparently had no personal connection with any of the victims and the tate labianca murder they also asked how he managed to turn a group of liberal peace loving and free thinking use into mass murders cruel enough to kill a pregnant woman which are fair questions drugs drugs. Yeah well that's a lot of people do assume there's more to that. But that's a lot of conspiracy With the fbi and right mind control and probably bullshit but you never know alyce alone is not going to make you murder walnut all but it makes them very very susceptible to bullshit preaching from somebody that they think is the son of god. Yeah i guess my only push back to that would be that. I've i've covered quite a few call to this point and someone can control young people without drugs. There's a lot of those as well. I think the drugs definitely maybe worked quicker into him controlling them and maybe took it to a further extent than most other calls that i've covered but for younger people. They are just mostly looking for some sort of answer to life's questions. They're not getting it from from life. I and so they go. Searching and a lot of them find like charismatic leaders and start to follow them. And so i i would say i would argue. It probably wasn't just. The drugs probably played a part but like these young girls like he knew exactly who he was. Preying on most of them had like huge abandonment. Issues were incredibly young. They didn't have the best relationship with their families and things patty said in one of her interviews was that you know she joined the group and then she immediately slept with manson and he was the first person to ever even tell her that she was beautiful and she says from that moment on like he literally could do no wrong in her eyes. Yeah that and that's what it is. It's it's young people who don't necessarily know any better and eastbound along. Yeah yeah and belong in a group that that will be welcome you. And it's not like he just not like as susie creatively ruby was like are we hate. Black people like boiling a frog in water. You slowly raise the temperature and before long the frogs dead. That's a morbid description by that's basically what it is they eases them into it. And then gets all these young and vulnerable people into group and then slowly raises the temperature of of the circumstances. And what the groups about so. I know a lot of them. A lot of the followers in interviews said that he just had this uncanny ability to make you feel like the most special person on earth. Just that alone. If you're you know and then you seek out vulnerable people that are coming from broken families or you know broke situation. Just that in in and of itself will make you that person forever. That's exactly yeah. However he also received letters from people claiming to be his fans as well as from women who expressed their deep affection for him besides praising his work they also declared their staunch belief in his ideologies and his sermons. Charles attempted to be granted parole multiple times throughout the years however olives applications were unsurprisingly. Rejected the massacre that he had ordered his family to carry out had shattered the sense of safety and security that the american public enjoyed and so the authorities were more than reluctant to let them back out on the streets which is fair. I mean i would have done the same. Yeah we i think we all would. It said that after nine hundred and sixty nine no one in the united states felt truly safe inside their homes ever again. Bit of a bit of a stretch charles. Manson lived out the rest of his days inside prison. Dying of natural causes on november nineteenth two thousand seventeen. He was eighty three years old given the brutal chain of events that charles manson integrated. It isn't surprising at all that he became an object of fascination for psychologists around the world many have diagnosed him with antisocial personality disorder due to how he exploited others without displaying. An ounce of remorse he has also been identified as a sociopath who thrived on manipulating and controlling others. This seems to be in line. Given how he managed to get his family to kill eight people simply by informing them of an apocalypse that was allegedly about to happen. Psychological studies into charles manson and his family continued to this day. However there's a chance that we will never know the true depths of is evil and that is the manson family before we move on. Is there anything. I missed any any big things. I know. you're an expert karen. I want to hear if there was anything big. I missed anything major that we overlooked at shorties death because that's the only person that manson actually ever interesting when the police i rated their ranch. They weren't even there because of the murders police hadn't even connected that yet so they were actually there. Because of stolen dune buggies and shit and manson convinced the family that shorty shea who was a drug dealer that he had tipped the police about the stolen cars so ham. Bruce davis and tex watson went over to his place and manson shot him. So when everyone says manson's never actually killed anyone. It's actually not true because he did. Okay he just very interesting. Yeah he just wasn't involved in the big sensationalized martyrs. Well so now. I have so many more questions so he used a gun to murder shorter. You said right yeah. He shot him. Why was that not a thing later on like why they should not used guns to make it cleaner quicker. Does anyone know. Oh that's because if i'm charles like he's like oh i like clean so easy. Yeah like i've done this already. I know i know how easy it is like. Why not just continue that or like the black. Panthers is definitely had guns. I don't know if he's trying to connect the two. It wouldn't make a difference that way. Yeah that's weird. That's a very i apologize for Looking over that one. They're just so much with this with this call to. There's a lot of information. So about those doom buggies. Oh so the apocalyptic interracial war. That was coming. He preached that they were going to survive it in that city so according to his his preaching not the city was at the bottom of a huge pit in the middle of the desert yet death valley so apparently like every day he would make two of his followers hopping on dune buggies and like right around the desert looking for that it is a waste of ties. Run round the desert aimlessly looking for house. Bit okay so. I just looked it up real quick and i was wrong. He was not shot. He was stabbed. Okay that makes more sense. Dan corrected my memories. Shit no no. That's no problem makes more sense. That's in line with the murders. I was like how. Why would he just shoot him. And then not shoot anyone else but that was like. Hey google and google news. Google knows everything. That's watching us right now. Or what do you think is it. They they yeah true now before we end off the show we have to do my favorite segment that we do after every cult cult critiques. Basically my guests. And i take a look at the cult we just discussed and we give it a rating out of five stars If you're writing something on yelp and we give comments on why we gave them that rating or you guys ready to rate the manson family. Let's dare went awesome Ben do you wanna go first. I me stars. you give them the manson family. I'm gonna give it three and a half that's solid. Why why three and a half come there for a good time but then you leave hungry. And his a murderer. It's like it's like every every every music festival. I've been every music festival. Yeah exactly yeah. It's like every music festival ever you go in and have a good time and then come out with the worst hangover karen. You're you're up. How many stars. Even i want to say one. But i'm gonna be honest and i'm going to give the manson cold a five first-class mary. She's like. I wrote many letters to manson now. So i am a reformed hippie and a lot of music festival laying and searching my former years so had i been alive in nineteen sixty nine. When manson was collecting family members. I can see why they joined the coal. I can see why. I would have been on the beetle buzz that they had. Yeah then you would have been traveling around the district. And i would be in prison after without signing up for that but i don't think you would have actually gone and committed the murder. You like. This is where a piece out. Squeaky squeaky never like. She wasn't involved in the murders but than she likes still stuck by him like went to court every day. And i feel with your with your obsession of true crime. You'd be there at every crime scene with the notebook. Just jotting it all what you did wrong this time guys. We can do the so much better. I've written out everything we town share. And you really shouldn't the bed here that's awesome. I love those reviews. Those perfect. I'd like to thank everyone for listening karen ben. If you don't mind please let my listeners. Know where they can find your podcast. You can hit us up on apple. Podcasts google podcasts. Spotify anywhere you get a podcast you can find us on. Our website is chronic abortion dot com. Awesome well i appreciate you guys coming out. So thank you fred for listening and we will see you guys next time thank you.

charles tiktok manson Manson susan atkins Mary brunner gary heinemann panthers tex watson Terry melcher ben Charles sharon tate charles born Charles mills mattocks william eugene manson Young charles adorable charles uncle guild School for boys gary
409: Emil Amos

Duncan Trussell Family Hour

1:49:42 hr | 8 months ago

409: Emil Amos

"Greetings my darling friends. Thank you for joining us. If this is your first time listening my name is duncan trussell used to be a divorce lawyer was hit by a micro meteorite right at the nape of my neck and became enlightened and now i lead spiritual orgies in lexington kentucky in a very small warehouse. It's kind of hard right now because of covid. But we've got some work arounds full latex suits and we all wear masks it's the light you can find the link to sign up for one of these orgies at duncan trussell dot com. My dear friend. Eam aim is the great musician. Attornal outsider brilliant philosopher. Somebody who. I was friends with in college. I'm so lucky that i ran into this guy and that he derailed me from whatever boring ass tracks. My train was chugging down. He's here with us today. And we cover some of my favorite topics on earth. The occult colts satan black magic the aluminum and much much more. But before you listen to the podcast do yourself a favor and your future incarnations a favor and head over to thrill jockey dot com pick up emails new album the holy sons raw disfigured. If you're gonna get into a cult getting a good one and emails cult is the best. Call out their emails musical scrub off. All those sad barnacles crude on your poor soul. You'll feel like some kind of happy inmate in gothic lunatic asylum. Who's getting spanked by beautiful fucking nurse. You deserve it. We all do so check it out. It's on thrill jockey records also france if you were looking for commercial free episodes of the h if you want to join your sweet family. We wait for you at patriotic dot com slash h. We've got a group meditation every tuesday. We got a book club. The next book is going to be grist for the mill. And i think we either start that this week or next week you can find out patriot dot com slash d t f h then of course every friday. We joined together for our wonderful family. Gatherings i invite you to join us and to support the over patriotair dot com for slash h. we also have shop located at duncan trussell dot com. Right now the links not up there so we work out a few minor technical problems but once we figure it out we will be back so you can check that out at dougy. Trussell dot com. Now everybody please welcome to the daca trestle family. Our podcast email amos. Email welcome back. It's been too long and we both have I don't know like what. What do you call. Covert refugees like we both. We both moved to north carolina. No i didn't see that one app. You probably really didn't see that one. I didn't see it happen. And no man. I really didn't. That was one thing that i did not see in my future did you. Was it always kind in the back of your mind that maybe you go back to chapel hill. I had dreams. Yeah i think early on after we live together in la. I got up to courtland. It was just such a rough rough time. That i remember looking at my window and just thinking a lot about how much fun everybody was having back home. And and how they were supportive of each other in terms of life music scene. And i didn't have that in portland. I was just felt. Like i was against the world and i think it's safe to say you were probably feeling pretty similar like right. After i moved out of the apartment in l. a. imagining you felt pretty doomed for a while or were you having a ball now. I don't think i was having. I think that when you left that was the beginning of a pretty brutal time. 'cause i had to learn how to do comedy and you know like live in uncertainty for a really long time. I think was grinding my teeth at night and stuff. I was so stressed out. Because you just like. God was so crazy to think are trying to get a and so part of you. That like there was a part of you. That truly didn't even want to do it right. You just knew that you had to get to the other side of that that initiation process. Yeah i think so man Yeah just like it was crazy. It was just weird you know and then the more you realize. It's a possibility the more you it's like for me. That seemed like a really nice kind of job. I mean i think we both share a kind of like sense that we have a real feeling that getting stuck in like a weird fucking job with a weird boss is like one of the levels of how right. Well i think kids listening or or or maybe longtime listeners. Probably assume they came to us when we were like in their minds. You know we had been established or something. I just using that term loosely. But but there was never an early parallel between us in terms of careerism or anything. There was just this idea at school that i had to play music whether i liked it or not. And then and you are still deciding what you want to but we know we never knew that we would go off in these different directions and then in weird ways the same thing would happen to us on the we'd kinda curve back to this extremely similar place which is extremely a very rare place where you can produce your own art straight from your house and sort of sell it to the world as a business that that was never in the cards. There was no plan for that. No plan we could. We couldn't even imagined that that would be some kind of possibility like is the technology didn't exist. I mean that was the the grim thing about coming up during the time we did like the the basically like the we were like one of the last generations to not have access to the internet and so when they were telling about the possibilities for our future in school there was no there was no internet so it was a possibilities. Were pretty like a lot of those things. They were telling us we should go. And do i don't even know if those jobs even exist anymore. In certainly not in the same way i did. You have to take coal cursive when you were in school. Oh yeah ticket. All but typing dude. Yeah typing and i remember being in typing class and just nat- naturally thinking like god. This is what the future looks like. This is the world like you gotta learn type one of these stupid fucking things like this is the world you need to remember that you need to learn how to type a certain number of words per minute. Wpn remember that. Yeah it was. It was actually the one thing i could do. Well the typing. But so what i think is almost impossible to explain to post internet person. Is that the keeping system was so rigorously set up an arm. My question for you is that when i left. La you know. We don't ever talk about this time that much partially because it was misery. Walk but I'm fascinated with that time because that was that. Was that period in your twenties. Where you just basically have to like. You were saying that that you have to swim in these waters of insert t. That has no end really insight. Yeah and you're kind of just perpetually sinking your head's not even above water and and did you face did you come into contact with a very palpable sense of gatekeepers in l. a. I mean there's moments in your career where someone might have taken you aside backstage. And i wish i could watch the movie of of your life like nc moments where someone took you side after. You said you're no good man like you're not gonna win you know yeah. Did you face the gatekeeper. I mean it's ironic because you got hired to be the the talent agent at the comedy store. So that's really ironic that you got put in that position. Yeah and certainly helped but like you must have. Did you come face to face with the keepers at some point. Sure a. yeah because you have to because back then you would have to. You know the gatekeepers. Were you know cobble of people who worked at clubs or people who worked at networks and would listen to pitches because that was the way in as you would have to come up with some idea of show and then you bring it in and you pitch it and then if they like it then you get to make a show that if you make a show it gives you this kind of weird credibility and then you know what i mean and then from there you. You're you get into this trajectory of success. But until then yeah you gotta go through all these people and like. It's not just the obvious ones who are like legitimate. Like business people trying to find good ideas because they have to generate content. But it's like those people are surrounded by other people and that's where it gets weird. You know that's where all these like parasitic goblins beer like people who not only don't really have any power at all but like have designed to kind of dark life around pretending to have power scooping people who've arrived into town you know what i mean and then like Essentially like ms guiding them. Giving them terrible advice you ever run into that like bitter my god yes dater people just bitter people giving you rotten advice of how you're supposed to like get ahead and y- you look back. God that some of the shit they told me was just completely wrong. Right and their milk king what they may see your unconsciously. No is a appear active sense of self loathing inside of you because you you have to believe at that point that these people might help or there is some kind of like you know traction in the law to get out of this sort of bottomless hit and so they they use that piece of yourself. That doesn't believe you're good enough and they use it on you until you can one day finally figured out that they actually have really no power and the whole time you you know you are essentially right. You're just started doing what you're needing to do. And that's all you do need to do is just do what you need to do. And follow your. Yeah good and so that that moment when the gatekeeper falls and you realize that they were a symbol. You're projecting and nothing that was actually there that you even needed. That's like one of the more depressing moments too. Because that thing you looked up at that parental entity the older brother or the father figure just sort of looked so small and sad and pathetic. You thought you needed them. You invested so much mental energy into them and then bam all of a sudden you realize you're the adult. That's such a sad moment. Did we ever talk about like when. I ended up like briefly and jeff. Conway's orbit. yeah. I was gonna ask if you want to remember. I'd come through town and you'd always be in like no discredit to you at all like you'd always be like on your your current like scheme to get the fuck out of the bottomless pit. Yeah and and i would be to the years were so. La and mine portland had no. There wasn't really much traction. There was just a lot of just intense competition between musicians and then there was no real ladder outback than so. It's kind of. I was just miserable and you but you were like you had like sort of palpable situations that you are trying to work with. And so every time i come through you'd be like yeah so i'm writing a script with the guy who wrote water were and i was like well. I don't know where that's gonna lead. I mean it's not not a most of a very respected phil but you wait. No i know you're talking about wasn't why wasn't i. Don't think as water all it was. Actually it was so yeah. That was some fielder battlefield earth so i got jd shapiro. He's he's very cool guy not a gatekeeper. Really funny he. He got in a fight in the cafeteria of the scientology building. Getting a fist fight with somebody in the cafeteria scrappy guy but like that. That was yeah. You're always doing something like that. I one of those things was somehow because like you always. There's always someone who's like. Hey man i'm working on something with jeff conaway and some you know celebrity from a long time ago but because like who the fuck ima- i have like. Maybe two and a half minutes of unfunny jokes that i do every sunday. You'll take anything you can get and suddenly you're in like this. You're up in the hollywood hills in this weird mansion with jeff conaway in this strange orbit of people around him and the mansion has been foreclosed on and he's smoking herbal cigarettes. And he's like talking about how he has an idea for a scene in this pilot script that you've been working on with all these people that are portraying themselves as being very like la and berry six already successful like in my mind. I'm like this is when you're just completely. Abbott is sleeping on a mattress on the floor and like cheese in the fridge. It's wow. I have cheese or if you if you fill your gas tank all the way up it's like holy fuck. I just filled it all the way up. Things are on the up and up for me now in like like remember him saying this. I think at the time. He's really struggling with addiction. It was really sad. He he would go to. I went to the dentist office with him once. I'm just remembering this now. And he will bring head shots of himself. Give him dude and like and it was weird and i remember he man. I remember he idea for the script to is. Someone is robbing it's about. I think it's about some people running upon shop. And someone comes into rob the pawnshop. Jeff conaway runs the pawnshop. Someone comes into the pawnshop and jeff conaway converts him to christ. That's the pilot now. This is the dude. The of the that was taxing right. Yeah okay i remember. That was another face. Sorry i i have many times. Parties confused waterworld and battlefield earth. For some reason he lend together. But you tell me what about you man in the music world or their versions of that like how does that look in the music world yet. There's definitely versions of. I share when i mean we were in the same exact position right. You're just trying to get essentially booked on a stage which is like kinda my nightmare i. That's not what i wanted to do in any way. So i'm finding myself you know following the advice of older people since i was little saying you know you gotta make a name for yourself before people by records you know which is the equivalent of your podcast which eventually we just basic redid. We did what we wanted to do in the first place without following that same trajectory and somehow we we won and i think it does have a lot to do a technology. The thing that you are you are really on. The cusp of i wasn't paying attention about you. Taught me pretty much everything. I knew in the beginning. You gave me my first drum machine. Did you know that you can now. I sound forge. Yeah you give a drum machine. I did the client west with all that stuff. Yes and it was reversed because you just went. Might you already interested in electronic music. I was you know had no interest in anything electronic but once you were showing me basically recording programs. I was like oh. I can repair my my four track. According eventually begrudgingly moved onto the computer which was a big deal for me and only what has taken like in that way you. You're the you're the older brother or something that that kind of put it in front of me for long enough. So i realized i needed it but Yeah i mean we have so many stories. You are a purist you know you. You had a very strict ethic regarding music at that time and definitely electric music was not part of what you are interested in at all. And i really l- i always think about that. I still love that. I love what you still do. You had this this kind of like man kind of like transcendent. Simplicity in the way that you were making stuff that was like like really rigorous. You what i mean and and from forced a really beautiful style of music you know because like all the normal distractions you know so easy at all this extra shit to anything. You're making that you just don't need and in that you know in that. Constant of like completely unnecessary flourishes. Whatever the fuck you're trying to make in the beginning just kind of get suffocated under all the icing. Yeah you know what i mean by the end. There's nothing there you know like whatever you that initial impulse gets so diluted by like for me it's just insecurity always know whatever i'm making. Isn't that good if i suddenly like star adding a lot of effects to it or something. You're totally you're totally right. But like you know about me that i don't remember or or did notice and then i'll i'll be able to remember things about you so it's interesting. I didn't really have technology In front of me in the beginning so there wasn't this idea that i could have just picked up all these plug ins. You know friends. There's something interfering with your happiness or preventing you from achieving goals. Like i don't know maybe you're on global pandemic where every time you go outside. You wonder if you're gonna suffocate to death better help. We'll assess your needs match you with your own license. Professional therapist start communicating in under forty eight hours. It's not a crisis line. it's not help. It's professional counseling done securely online. There's a broad range of expertise available which may not be locally available to you in many areas. Can log into your account anytime and send a message to your counselor. You don't have to sit anymore and some uncomfortable waiting room where the cop sounds like. Somebody threw a stick of dynamite into a cane. Better help committed to facilitating great matches. So they make it easy for you to change counselors needed and it's way more affordable than traditional outline counseling. Financial aid is available better. How wants you to start living a happy life today. Visit their website read their many great testimonials posted there daily and check them out. Then go to better help dot com slash dunkin. That's better h. E. l. p. and join the over one million people taking charge their mental health with the help experienced professional in fact so many people have been using better help. You're recruiting additional counselors in all fifty states. So any of y'all you're might say therapists out there. Maybe finding job special offer for the listeners. Ten percent off your first month. Better help dot com slash dumping. Thank you better help Dude wait let me tell you a story about you. I remember playing house music for you on. And i and i was excited to play for you. And i'm like listen to this. And i played it for you and i'm sure it was a terrible song. Like you knows what it was like prodigy yourself. I've had to two very powerful experiences that i needed where people are respected rejected. The music that i liked and one of them was when i played smith for joe stupidest thing to do in the look on his face of like just not. I don't look was so funny because it was a look like sympathy and confusion. Because he's in and his response just like you shouldn't listen to this and then when i played whatever it was and what i know it couldn't have been a good song. I know how i had it. Or what medium it was stored on. What do you think you know when you're excited about a certain style of music. Play it for someone you respect. And they don't like it hurt. But i remember i played it feeling. What do you think and you just kind of like shook your head and you said it just makes me feel cold. Well you gotta remember like I started really really early right. So so when i was even maybe than a eleven or twelve i was already here and things like gaza which everything about the guys who was like no. They didn't want light. Show ryan vin. Today when i go play in sweden with home europeans. Always come to you guys. You should really get a light show. And i don't know what to say because coming from that world back then. There's nothing wrong with that but like coming from that world becton where you didn't even have access to the idea lights or or computer programs. There was this idea that like if all you had was a guitar in the stairwell where recorded in my dorm that you extensively had to go climb up in the caves like through star. Something just figure it out. Yeah i know. And because we have the beatles as sort of the base jumping off point of basically all rock music in terms of you know expansion curiosity like exploration i just you know you see a picture of john lennon's sitting at a piano or or all mccartney sitting at a piano when they sat down piano that meant it's time to listen closely. Something serious is going to happen right right. You're not thinking about no one thinks about plug ins or you know. Electric music symbolized a lot of kind of silly equipment and clothing and culture stuff to me at the time so at being that i was in the very middle of that seat where i was. I all visit guitar. And i was in a room and once i walked out of that room and showed the world what i've been working on for years and years and years it just it had to be legitimate. It had to be good so that was just like a code. I was trying to crack. So then you walk with like the the culture of electronic music at the time and no offense to anybody. i know it's been re scripted as a very fashionable thing but the fashion of it was so embarrassing. Do you know what i mean. Yeah i know you clock in mean you mean those big ass pants. We are all wearing in the pacify fires at the time in my asheville and just candy alice's in close and stuff and was no rains up there so when i see people trying to echo. Something they know is going on in the big city in small towns. I always feel kinda bad for alike. I mean that's you're right. You know to wear those pants and the little lake. You know wife beater shirt and like dance. Around with your headband. In between classes in the lobby of the you know like it just look so fucking tongue and they were all in the muppet babies. I'm just saying like the aesthetic. i remember you know. I'll tell you this though to me. The thing about that aesthetic that in the thing about the small town rave scene and the thing about it is i don't i to this day i have never encountered anything more satanic then looking at someone dressed like you know a toddler wearing like a muppet babies t shirt covered in glitter painted. Fingernails glows sting. How vegas vips. what's it called the vape. Vicks vapor rub. You know what. I mean you look. You're like one of these raves before he became anything i in one of these raves. You're high as a fucking kite on some kind of crazy drug and you look over. And there's someone dressed like a toddler whose eyes have rolled completely back in their head on basically a seizure. 'cause they're on so much ecstasy and they're in like a cuddle puddle candy necklaces. The wafting sin old men ship. People used to rub on their chest when they add a cold rising up from these like weird vignettes of people dressed like babies so high. Where where this crazy. Fucking music coming out of giants. Wall war bob this day. I've never seen anything is like more like weirdly satanic. You know what. I mean because it was and i don't know if that was the intention if it's like look we're going to dress babies but we're going to be so fucking insanely you're you're right it's like you're i hope nobody listening just thinks like trying to mutilate a culture fashion. It's not about thou. You're basically seeing tex watson. The moment after manson. I convinced in to drop everything. You know what it means because like once once somebody sees that. There's this like the older brother that's doing this cooler thing. And then they go out and buy the outfit. There's a moment of inflation where they think they know everything and really. They're just in this really dangerous like you're saying these dangerous waters of kind of vague conformism. That are. it's such a static moment. We all experience it and we all remember the clothes that we bought. We all remember the fucking hairstyle. We were totally diluted but at that moment that kid doesn't get it and they think they're onto this thing and you don't you don't get it and you're like i mean you're kind of feeling so bad yourself in them finding yourself in world and i come of hard core in an hardcore. It was late in punk. You know the entire structure of punk socially like the the sentiment of punk with all about like let's get back to what's real and then the entire world of the subculture was a bunch of people posing as tougher or more real but like no one person really felt that way so there was this intense competition trying to embody this sense of punk. So you've got this entry level kind of conformism just running rampant and already wrestled with that with all my high school buddies in our in our first heartland so so by the time. I'm getting a college. I mean i kind of seen these patterns and you have to understand. The pain of competing with other little boys like when you're in high. School is so deep. it's such a deep cut because inside. I just thought like why. Wanna do this thing you know. I believe in the power of art. I believe in the songs of the ability. This open horizon of creativity but in order to perform that creativity tip to practice it. You're taught that you have to have a band in the in the guys beatles and you have to go to the music store and you have to buy all the stuff and i was like now i just want to do the thing the pure thing but like everybody around me just agreeing on what data practice. What time. they're like someone getting mad because someone else's girlfriend is there like someone's ample not working someone having just like the the manusha of the struggle to make the thing was so laborious annoying. And every i mean the problem was everybody's ego. Everybody feels that they are the star no matter if they're just the fucking tambourine player right. There's always this sense that you've got to wrestle with. Everybody says they're really the superstar. Yeah and so from ninth grade. I was already just like dude. Just let me do the thing i want to do. Like i don't care if even fucking works out. Just like yeah. Why do i have to go through this process. An older people were telling me. I gotta get up on stage at the local club. You got to like make make some buzz happened. You got to start getting people your shows and then eventually you know someone might credit recognize the fuck off shit. I'm not going to do all the shit. And so by the time that i met you. I was just like hard core in my private feet. You know trying to crack this code and so kids walking through that. We're just sort of a column converters like people who have just taken on a whole thing and then taken on to strong. There's this old friend of mine skirl in portland. Who had just started dating one of these guys and he had gotten in his head in one weekend that he was going to be part of the portland bike messenger culture. You know like something that's been lampooned. The quite a bit but like that was a really tough guy punk sometimes crust punk stance in this guy had went out bought the outfit and he went into this bar that was known for being like an underground bike messenger. Par and he saw a suv of like subtle. I mean i guess they were frat boys. I don't know what they were weren't really anything but they. He identified them as the enemy because the night before he'd been anointed in his mind as the special warrior. This special message or so. He just slashed their tires. Why because they were in his mind the enemy and they just walk out see him slash brutally destroyed completely. Beat him to death and like yes. Go to hospital. And what's he's just lying on that bed. You know thinking like that kind of jihad righteousness only wanna mean sure. Yeah that's the converter. That's the converters. A inflation the ego inflation. That happens right a few join a club like that. He added the man. It's so curious how regardless of where it shows up in these little clicks and clocks this hierarchy appears you get neophytes who feel somehow with somewhere if they could just get far enough up that hierarchy that they'll a great mystery will be revealed you know or like like it's like the whatever the particular click is somehow. It represents the possibility of escape from the oppressive mundanity day to day wife and it somehow in there they will get you know the taste of whatever. The thing is no matter. How like these things. Show up everywhere. It's crazy to think of obviously with music. Obviously with comedy but bike messengers. I never would have even thought it community existed around that but it but it shows up and it's like within wherever there's that kind of hierarchy aggression appears and it's the to me that's the part that's like always the same or you know what i mean. That's the no matter. That's the water and the particular form as the ice cube tray but you always see like this aggressive thing. That appears just what you're talking about. And that's the embar that's embarrassing. It's an embarrassing thing. When you see someone trying to bully their way through or upper into a thing take it over become in sometimes like the aggression. I'm sure you've seen this. Sometimes all the all the aggression becomes the primary like whatever the original thing was that goes away and then it's just all the really embraced is the politics the navigating and then that's why sometimes you'll see in a variety of different art forms people who seemingly have risen to the top. But you just don't it doesn't make sense. You know what i mean. But it's like oh no. They did the right steps they. Didn't you know what i'm talking about like there wasn't really a like anything more than that. You know they just. I mean you're talking about teaser near you're talking about ahead of nixon. The pizza let just jump through like a certain amount of hoops. And then it at that point i mean he'd never even really claimed to be spiritual character but people made him into one. Yeah you know what. I mean harry halts everywhere you look that back in the nineties when you are sort of weaver both really interested in colts. It wasn't a thing that must people talked about back. Then but i think maybe we were. Just there's a lot of double meanings in there. But i think we will probably fascinated with this kind of induction like thinking errors The leap of faith all the different things that come along with with Thinking but like you. You're not believe this blake back in portland. We also had this called that was based around. Worshiping the partridge family. Oh yes yes yes. And they were violent. I think they came up from. La maybe actually but they actually beat the shit out of people celebrate they will see symbolism like is it smacker where they're talking about papa murphy's like hitler and that's murph is a secret nazi call. I mean it's like the cults are everywhere you look in to look at us now. Twenty twenty. It's the age of the rebirth of the call. Like pe- people are staying crazy. Colt nonsense everywhere. You look. it's amazing. Oh you mean cunanan. Yeah on in like is like the perfect. It's the perfect formula for colt. Because you have such a first of all what's really brilliant about cunanan as far as cult schick as is like. It's it seems to be fairly decentralized in the sense like they have a mystery leader who just sweets ambiguous shit puts out q. Drops as they're called and then these are up for interpretation. But there's some kind of weird like grapevine of these people where they you know trade ideas. The all seemed be like based on the idea that the elites of the world are worshiping a babylonian god right. This is it. They worship babylonian god this the never went away like the worship of malik. It didn't go away. It just went underground. And so you know the whole thing of like eating babies or whatever turned into the consumption of adrenal chrome which apparently reverses the aging process and the the whole structure. It sounds like things thought. When i've been having a really terrible trip you know when you're having the great paranoid trip and you start looking around and you're like oh my god it's the world of the devil. It's the world everything's me everything satanic. Everybody why are there. Pentagram on cop cars why would they pentagram on god. That's the funny. You say that because like you know the old saying that like no matter if you're completely not religious earth you if you're weakened to like a really intense extent that you'll start praying that idea. It's like that's what you're talking about like the spirit of these. People has become so insanely weakened right that they're starting to see symbols everywhere. It's almost like they're like it's they're dying or something it's like they're they're they're immune system their spine so deteriorated that they're reaching out for hands to follow in any direction and getting scooped up by a pyramid scam. Yeah but are in. And also i mean this is the isn't it or i think like in that were like in that world in the world of any colt in general. But in a world where you've sort of you you get gifts from a coal. The first gift is the gift of discovery. You know like you become an initiate. You feel like you have hidden knowledge and that's very powerful feeling right like i know something that the world doesn't know and it's something so incredible it will transform anyone who years if they believe. That's you know that's huge. Now this is it's essentially like remember. I think curb your enthusiasm. I had episode that made fun of this phenomena but there was a period when people be like. Hey my friend has a brother. He's in the cia and he said get out of la for a couple of weeks or whatever like something's going down. This was post september eleventh. Everybody would have secret information. And you'd hear it and you might fuck. I should get a town. It was a version of. What would happen when i was in elementary school. I remember one day. Somebody came and said there. Pastor said today the world would end at noon. But you know what i mean but it's like so that's the first gift of the coal is the secret data. Like the you feel like you have and that you share with the voters of the colt and then the second. I guess gift of the call. Is this kind of like hope in the sense that the world has meaning so you get this delicious sense of like. Oh my god all makes sense all the suffering of the world. I get it now. The reason things are so fucked up is because of this babylonian death cult consisting of billionaires and trillionaires who were extracting the life energy from the sheep. Oh and using it to maintain eternal use. And you know what i mean. So it's like that then in in that version of reality is grim as it. Is i guess for some people. It's a little less grim. Then you know what. I've heard which is like. Oh no just you're dealing with like rolling forms of chaos energy that are being adapted to by various kabul's of people with completely disparate intent. You know what i mean. There's no world dominance. there's no there's no one way that because that's the hope right. I mean is kind of the dream. The rich people the world the super elite like finally getting the great chamber where they're like rubbing drina chrome on their tits or whatever they do and they see on the like yes yes. There is a plan. Yes we have it all under control instead instead with reality which is like you run into most of these people and they're like i have no idea what's happening. They legitimately or confused or they're just trying to get laid. You know what i mean. There isn't anything there more than that. Exactly yeah i mean. It's funny because i feel like i don't want say that we Bear some responsibility for for pointing. Kids in the direction of occult thinking. This episode of the dt f. h is sponsored by my friends at blue chips. You guys remember the days when you were always ready to go. You remember those days and snap your fingers and bam. Oh you can Now you increase your performance and get that extra confidence in bed. Listen not blue dot com. That's blue the color. Blue blue shoe brings you the first chewable with the same. Fda approved active ingredients as viagra and cialis. You take them anytime day or night even on a full stomach so you can be ready whenever an opportunity arises. You could benefit from more confidence where it counts bluetooth. Is the fast easy way to enhance your performance. Blue shoe it's prescribed online by license positions. You don't have to go to the doctor's office or wait in line at the pharmacy and it ships right to your door and a discreet package. Plus it's made in the suite. Usa and since glitchy prepares and ships direct cheaper than pharmacy. No awkwardness you. Don't have to ask. I don't know why people feel awkward about having to use medicine of this nature. I don't care. I'm not embarrassed about it. I've got scoliosis. I'm forty six years old in the middle of a pandemic where some of my best friends have gotten sucked into some kind of bizarre death cold. It's not exactly an erotic time period in human history. Thank god for right now. We've got a special deal for our listeners. Visit baluchi dot com and get your ver- shipment free when you use our special promo code you just pay five dollars shipping again that's b. l. e. to dot com promo code duncan. Try it free blue chew. It's the better cheaper choice and we thank them for sponsoring this podcast and remember when you support our sponsors. You can help make this podcast possible. Please refer to use our promo code. Dunkin lucia dot com and also. I think it's pretty hot. That i might be given some of y'all out there. Great night's sweep powerful. Thanks to you Back when you gave me bill behold a pale horse yeah this would be nineteen ninety-six or something back when we were playing in the in the waters of you know we. We want to know everything about the we could about satan and that that was just latent fewer curiosity just just mere curiosity like we just wanted to know everything right there was no starting focus on it was never any talk between you and i about joining a call now. There was never any point where we said. Let's go see if we can get in the masons appear in the window of the masonic temple and we creep away like being freaked out. You know an acid or whatever but like there was never any talk of lake trying to join something and when you get back to that tex watson moment you're talking about people who need a family so bad or unita structure are they deeply desire some sort of structuralism common swoop in and take away their independent. You know the responsibilities and that will take care of them whisk them away and we just never had any of that impulse or instincts. I mean in terms of like looking for a family or anything and now you fast forward to now in light. This talk of call and stuff. It's done by people who have more of an agenda. It's not just rock curiosity. You see people talking online. Yeah they're they're playing with it for reasons. You know what i mean. Yeah so. I feel like along the way. Maybe i wrote. The song called things you do while waiting for the apocalypse and like i've had kids on a facebook walls like saying like how did you know about the the the patterns that we're going to take over and twenty twenty because if you read the lyrics it sounds it. Sounds like conspiracy theory but there was. That's not what i meant. You know and i'm sure you've you've sort of sort of nudged people often to to like exploring new territory but here we are talking now. Like refuting a lot of this shit. I mean we know for a fact from from the comments underneath year podcasts. That people think that you are like in the cia or they think you're in these cult like they believe that. And i was i mean. Have you ever actually refuted that. Have you ever said. I'm not involved with any of the stuff i mean. Have you ever had people come up to you a person or pursue well. Yeah i mean you know this is what the what's interesting about like all specifically like the cia. Which i am most sir. If i'm a fucking member of the cia. They owe me some money. Don't gotten a paycheck. You know what i'd be like. I'm working for free over here. Come on but i think that the the the the problem of like because the has is like a is its own secret. Society has to function in secret as to function in you know compartment has to compartmentalize itself for just like any other corporation and within those compartments. God fucking knows what's happening. Go to the website. You can apply for a job if you really want like demystify the their shitty website. Why does this have such a shitty website but they also have an archive of all the just everything they just put it all out there and you look at it and it's like oh wow man y'all are like definitely just trying to like vacuum up all that like what we were doing you know and and vague like the cia doesn't care where it's coming from. They just wanna know what. These colts and little subterranean groupings of people are up. They want to protect you. Know the the united states right but somewhere in there things go crazy. Because it's a thing. It's where it's philip k dick where the thing starts invest like investigating itself and then you get these ridiculous feedback. Loops happening With the cia. I i guess. I mean who the fuck knows but you know i applied. I did apply when i was super stoned to the web. Because it was funny to me is because the first thing it says in the way people should. I'm not my goddamn as the first thing on the cia website when you're trying to apply. Don't tell anybody you're applying. That's what's cool about it like you apply and then we'll find you mean that's what there's no like you literally have to apply. You don't know what's going to happen. i guess. Maybe you're just walking down the street and somebody comes up like hey. mo get in the car. it's time for your job interview. You know what. I mean then you become part of the cia. Have you ever met a cia agent. I don't think i've even ever met one. That i'm aware of you know i've met people who have tried to trick me and just that experience in itself me usually it was like you know some sort of roving criminal a grateful dead parking lot or something those those people day split you when you're at your most high moment as the creepiest thing. Yes that usually comes to my memory but no i. yeah. I've never met any of these people we're insignificant to them like like i would be interested to get your freedom of information act. That would be interesting to see if there's any sort of anyone that's ever watched you just because you i mean you've left the country and you sort of like speak to a big group of people i don't know you know once i went to get the thing or you don't have to stand in line at the airport. I can't remember what it's called like trusted flyer you'd have to go to. Lax and get interrogated by somebody. And then you don't have to go like basically you don't have to go through the same bullshit screening process Other people have to go through and not everybody does it. Because you have to pay for it and it's a fucking pain in the ass drive to lax. And you're not flying anywhere. But i remember sitting with this. This guy security agent for my interrogation. Which i've been looking forward to all day because i'm like what the fuck is he going to ask me. And he's like to had something on the screen and he said to me so you like to make fun of the president. He did say that. Oh totally said that. That's amazing. I don't know what whether it was because like it said that i was. I was a comedian or because like something popped up like that somewhere online. I made fun of a like trump per bomb. I don't know but it was a really chilling moment. Where i'm like. Oh my god like that's so what the fuck like you know what the fuck what are you looking at. I should've asked him like. Is that on there. But i got to. It's like you know. I got to travel. I mean i don't look. I think you know more than likely there's if you have any kind of like voice at all you've someone's probably looked into you know what i mean. I just want to find out what like i'm like. I also thought the only worked in other countries. I thought they didn't invest. I thought they were foreign like. Fbi investigators. The fbi investigates domestic people. The cia investigate shit the or the people who like this to me. The really thrilling. You don't sound like you're in the cia. You sound like you don't even know anything about government structures. No i'm not. i mean. honestly. I went on rogan was like i was talking about how i got stoned and applied to the cia. And we're just laughing about it. And then i'm on my on my red sub reddit. Someone who is clearly very smart. Wrote this thing about. Hey i just want to say. I know dunkin was talking about the joe rogan. A lotta. they were saying is completely wrong. And i just wanted to put out here. More of what this is about. I was looking at like. Oh my god that's the ca and they're recruiting like it was like it was so funny because as and it was really intelligent boring dry. You know what. I mean a long list of shit about other countries and i skimmed. It was bored with it and like seconds and i thought. Oh that's that's definitely the they're fucking boring. And i never in a million years want to be involved in that shit because i think most of them are just like you know surveilling like like sex and colts of like extremists and other countries and it just sounds really boring and not just not fun like it's not like bourne identity shed. It just seems like you just have to sit in front of a computer and like like listen to people's phone calls and it's probably just incredibly boring. Yeah there's probably people listening that don't know that there's people out there that really think some sort of underworld's like evil king or some It's the i've seen it. I've seen these kids right to shit my dear friends. We have a wonderful new sponsor mud water. You thinking about getting out the old copy trainees sick porn that dark black demonic down at your insides leaving your insides goofed up splattered and acidified leaving your your your spinal cord trembling like a worm in the rain. Is you fallen in various mile paranoid. Anxiety induced delirium. Your hands clutched tight trembling on your steering wheel if you think about death wondering why you drink four cups of coffee then. Mud water is for you. That's dim u. T. w. t. r. dot com water company coffee alternative with four medicinal mushrooms and herbs. It's got one seventh. The caffeine of a cup of coffee. That's just fourteen milligrams of seeking energy without the anxiety jitters dark hell crash of coffee. He's agree and was that it for a purpose could cow and mood and energy lion's mane for focus court steps for physical performance chagas and rightey for immune stress turmeric for inflammation in sentiment to help suppress sugar cravings and since the company was founded. They've taken percents. Their sales and donated to maps multidisciplinary association for psychedelic studies an organization that develops medicinal legal and cultural context for people to benefit from careful use out. Quitting coffee might not only reduce your anxiety but contribute to the resolution of another. You just makes this wonderful stop. And you can mix it with anything mope milk at some honey. Use the awesome frother. The mud water frother transforms your drink into this delightful frothy healthy brew and it's a hundred percent. Usda organic non gmo gluten free vegan. Whole thirty and kosher doesn't get better than that. Go to mud. Water dot com and use code aziz t f h for fifteen percent off at checkout. That's mud w. t. r. dot com for slash d. T h. Thank you much water. I can only speculate that you know. The mainstream is like this huge cruise ship and like they just stepped off the ship at on some like hard core salvia trip or something that stepped off the mainstream boat. And the first thing they do you know in a paranoid delusion. Is they start. You know trying to decode the different things out there in the world that that may symbolize something some sort of greater allegiance to be a call which you unclearly like most things in life. You're projecting all the shipman and like they the somehow because you're playing in the waters these these waters you're talking about basically like off the off the beaten path spirituality. They just. they're suspicious of you. I guess and it just seems really entry level and misguided but people take the stuff really fucking seriously and it seems irresponsible not to make fun of those people i mean. Yeah it's like. I think like the what i what what sweet is that. The peop- is number one. That you step off the cruise ship. That's a nice thing. Even if you are not smoking. Salvia which i recommend sure at all but i think like where where a lot of people get confused. Is that they they. They're they're looking at human organizations. You know it's like you know the the cia. Fbi the who the cdc all these little stupid little like clusters of business people The cdc stupid but you know they're looking. They're trying it's again. It's one of the things that's going to happen. I think in a world where people are getting increasingly distanced from any kind of connection with a mystical as they start idolizing the state and like you know what it means to the idolatry the way it forms either like a a strange and embarrassing respect for the office of the president or supreme court or whatever the you know what i mean like strange thing that is more than just like yeah you know i really loved it. It's so great that firefighters put out fires. Thank god there's people who are willing to risk their lives to go into buildings and put out fucking fires. I wouldn't want do it. Thank god. that's that's good. You should respect firefighters. But there's this fetishistic thing quickly turns into a kind of bizarre form of boot-licking so like you see it in the pundits from the left and from there right where they're just like going on and on about the glories of the presidency or something and it's really bizarre when you realize like oh my god that is a fanatic of a religion that consists of the state the state and the apparatus of the state. And it's really sad because its idolatry and so but you know. I love like alex. Grey's idea visionary art and. I love the idea that a lot of saxon. And certainly anybody who's like actual like mistake has which is like. Oh no these. Little temporary manifestations of human intent that form as corporations or you know positions of power and all of this these these all just follow way. These are really nothing. And if you go looking for god in these things you all you're gonna find his confusion but you know. I think we probably both agree that i don't know. I think we both agree. That inspiration may be a dozen as it's not really it doesn't come from the from. I think i think a lot of my inspiration. It comes from the realm of the cold and a lot of my great inspiration. In a lot of the things that drive me and excite me are like contact that i've made with entities that aren't necessarily embodied in that aren't malefic at all but rather Seemed to really want to help the world and recognize the suffering of the world. and like. There's something really exciting and delightful about the idea that there is There is like there. Are things out there. That don't go to offices in the pentagon you know what i mean but that have like made contact with our species and really do want to up shift the consciousness of the planet and i think that's scares people because they're like no. That's the devil. The devil wants to shift the gardeners of the plant. That bug in devil wants the planet to be flourishing. The devil wants to go back to the days where people were dancing and fields. Having orgies devil wants you to take mushrooms. The devil wants to speak for the earth. you know. that's what they think when it's like really it's the devil that's made the the devil is the thing. That's making them scare. The you know the devils making the q. On people obsessed with like you know tech autocratic elite people molesting children somehow completely ignoring the fact of the catholic church is like the pope's have actively protected files. You know what i mean like. You don't hear them talking about that as much. It's that people worshipping molecule. Meanwhile there's an fucking entire world. Religion has prese class an entire swath of them. That are in. Many of them are in jail for fucking kids. You know so to me. I i do. I don't mind that people identify me as having some a colt. like in. I love the occult when people assu i get. I get really defensive when people start trying to throw witches and satanists under the bus because my encounter with them. If they're always sweet that you know what i mean so so i do understand why people think i just think where people are confused. They think that like that. I'm like you know burning fucking weird oils or something muttering chance and shit. They probably think that about you too because people have generally like the. I'm sorry i've gone onto the ramp but the reality is like if you want it like understand this steph. You're you're not. You need to find it yourself and look into it yourself not try to find it and other people like you need to get in there yourself and try to reach out to it and see if if it talks to you and then if it does how does it talk what language is speed and what is it saying to you and if for me most of the time i run into anything that's telling me to shut up i know i've encountered actual evil but anytime i run into a thing that's like telling you know. See go sing about love or since like wait. Don't be afraid that's another thing you when angels make contact with people in the bible. They always say. Don't be afraid so if you run into anything that saying be afraid you're probably in the presence of something that is an angelic. Seems like you've you prescribed the fact that the world's suffering from the ultimate disease of a fear but on another level i think that that stepping on the cruise ship. I think there's like an instant. Ego inflation the second. You you know you start being curious the near the nature of being invulnerable right you get yourself vulnerable to let something in. And that's the bone of true beauty because you're sacrificing yourself. Potentially you're not guarding yourself. Yeah and so when you open up and then you learn something you take in information. That is a pure process. You're not you're not tainting with confirmation bias. then then after the lessons learned like something new is learned. I think there's a pattern sort of like two steps forward. One step back or something. I think there's a pattern of ego. Inflation happens where people as soon as they learn something. Wanna stop to be in this new superiority feeling right. Yeah right right. And that's incredibly powerful. Pattern is so powerful that somebody stepping off this cruise. Ship of the mainstream into your podcast. They're starting to play with concepts. That are new. And then they kind of dig their heels back. Shutdown put up their guard and say no. I'm an expert on this. I i can tell that. You're you have an allegiance to the dark lord and you're working against us yeah. Well that's not remaining vulnerable. That's not staying open. That's not sure. Yes. that's being lustful towards the logical conclusion of something. You've already decided before you even became vulnerable. That's falling prey to the games fear and that's not pursuing this great creative positive thing that we are after you know so i find it really amazing. You can meet very very intelligent. People that fall prey to these patterns. All of insidious weird. How did that just you know. Seek to use views and make money off of you as an underlying but like very smart people fall into these whirlpools of idiocy. Yeah yeah it's so weird and it's so sad to it's like i mean you know the i interest it's like to me. I love the version of satanism. That is depicted in those chick tracts. Those that's love them. Love them and that version of satanism. It's such a delight in the sense that it definitely presents a way out of suffering which is like really you have to do. Some ridiculous like aligning yourself with this. You know being that for whatever reason just wants you to burn forever. And how like like you know like the a a real basic bitch like that version of satan is just like so boring and basic. It's wants to deceive you trick you but also during that deceiving tricking process you're going to be on some great drugs. You're gonna be fucking so many people and your band going gonna take off. You're going to have a little pentagram tattoos on your or whatever then like your your band's van goes off a sea cliff and as your plunging into the sea. The devil appears and it's like i got you. It's so stupid it's so basic weird and like and what really sucks about it. The part to me. Where like it's malicious. It is so against art. It's just as the most oppressive thing and you know what i mean. It's like the gatekeepers. The very worst kind of person. I know you've encountered. This man is a person who once you've achieved. Any kind of success takes credit for it when they really had nothing to do with it. You know what i mean. That's the worst piece of shit. Is the person who fantasizes that they gave you like. If not for them. You wouldn't be. I've been around people like that man and they're it's like when you i've been around people who are so noxious narcissistic that you begin to g- rock. They think you're lucky that you're around them. You know what i mean. And then they start doing these like weird. They think they're doing some kind of subtle teaching to you to improve you or something like that. It's the exact opposite anytime you run into someone like you or anybody. Who's like at legitimately cool is legitimately cool people. They don't care. You know what i mean. It's not like they don't care about you but they're not they're ego is an engaged in your personal evolution. You know what i mean. But you run into the vampiric narcissist and like you realize like oh my god like no one's really friends with everyone just kinda enters into your fucking stupid mr. He school we were you like. You're you're you're sort of downplayed yet rather obvious sort of Observations on popular culture. Maybe they have like a you know maybe that maybe we may have a deep understanding of some style of music or some style of like film or whatever but you just start realizing like you think. Oh my god you think you're like some high priest and you think you're sharing with me some fucking great data. Meanwhile you know what i mean. They're all puffed up talking about like the three. Stooges is the peak of comedy. Totally you a jewelry. Take like you know. A hits liquid steam. Go out on the football field with some kid like that and then they start leaking like you know that term that like like serial killers and super liars. They leak information accidentally like they start leaking like this insane reverberation of like cure sad loneliness and like you know. They start like muttering stuff about how they really need to get their hands on some money or like just like really crazy week. You know tenants start coming out of them because they spent so much time deluding. You're in it's in those moments where the older brother dies or the or the print entity does your like. I spent all this time. Look up to these people my whole life. I've wasted so much of my time to the point where some people don't even want to look back. They just wanna keep putting stock into it because of their own weakness that they think this is the only ladder. There is climb that independence and the beauty of exploring on your own will lead to some sort of powerful trophy. But that's what we're trying to say. Leave leave the scottsdale scaffolding. Leave the structuralism. Go away and you will find the same beautiful thing that the buddha found. You'll it's bear for you but don't fall prey to these fucking idiots man man 'cause they get i mean it's like that's the thing like i think it's it would be dishonest to say there isn't some like weird pleasure that comes when you realize that someone thinks you're in the cia. You know what i mean. It's funny you know but would also like it's like you know they're inside of me you know. There's like a i i really do. Decentralisation is is like is one of the more important things right now and the you know the more like you gotta watch out because you know you number one you can't do phony unholy ramdas talks about which is like if you don't recognize that you like everybody in on the planet has something to offer people around them their community like gifts you can give and like ways that you can help people feel better you just y- some people pretend they don't have that and then because of that. They reduce themselves and become very unhelpful. But the other side of that is when like you realize like people are recognizing like you were saying earlier that the insecurity of folks who really just want a family is so profound that they begin to centralize people like that around them. You know what i mean and you know this like for me like the example of the way it should look is like those those ramdas retreats like you could say with centralized people like being around. I'm done so it was great. He would like go out into the ocean and like rainbows would appear over his head. I thought it was insane. It was beautiful but rom. Dos was never trying to take credit for anything. You know what i mean. He was never like this because of me. This is this is me. He was always talking about his guru and guru has never trying to take credit for anything like their stories of name crowly baba where people were what try to write little bibles about stuff that was happening. You ever heard that story like somebody who have been writing everything. He said down in a book and he made them throw it away he like. It's it's ironic that you know that the guru has to def- rag the idea of the guru constantly but there's gotta be it's people's need to congregate right. It's not maybe always wanting to find something to follow so they can stay as a child but maybe they're just naturally trying to buzz around something that they think is beautiful and good. So then that thing. Being around us has to lake constantly you know basically fracture and demystify and deconstruct the guru paradigm. Just so they can stay on their own altogether here and we're focused our eyes on the prize. Doodo look at me yet. yeah right. Yeah that's that's the did i did. I tell you the thing ramdas. When asked view is my guru. Yeah i think so but so again he has. Yeah but now. What i'm and and you know like there's this brilliant buddhist colored him bob thurman who at one of these ramda's retrievers the funniest thing he gets on stage in front of these. Many people have come because of ramadan beer now and the first thing he says beer now. What does that mean. That doesn't mean anything beer. Now be here now. I don't know what that means. And it was the best 'cause he bros. He broke the idol. That's that's the thing is like it's good to do that because we you know we just like what you're saying it's like if we get too caught up in one person one i whatever. It's the ten pole structure anytime. There's a tent pole. It's fucked because when the temple goes away the whole thing falls apart so y- you know what i mean like i love. I really really love certain musicians. They're amazing and i'm lucky. I feel lucky that like they create a situation where we can go and white for lack of a better word worship there. Are you know what. I mean like i love you. Y'all put yourself on a stage and you fucking put out like incredible music and we all get a chance to adore what you're doing and you and that's okay. You know what i mean. That's that's fine. That's like a joy. You know what i mean fandom and all that and all. That's wonderful but it's like the erase it's irresponsible to then try to get people to think that because of this certain thing you're like holy person or a saint or any of that you know because yeah then then you just it ends up being a mass and all you're going to do is disappoint people like. That's the main thing just going to disappoint. People are just going to get disappointed when they realized like god man. You're you're you stay. Your body stinks. You know what. I mean totally the you can always feel that. Somebody's trying to protect their brand by like not opening up that kind of conversation and just trying to maintain the idea that they are some sort of holy entity. You can always feel that energy. And i feel like like podcasting for example i was never supposed to podcast because like cool musicians. Don't do that you know. You don't see the cool musicians. Like opening up for him hours of improv. Because it's ugly and ideas to actually dima theology is some of this stuff and get into what is ugly in and actually tell a true story. The thing that's the most redeeming you know is not to not to build brand continually make money off people and stay in the distance just like the wizard of oz and just like what you were talking about before with kiana not to hide its to its to reveal yourself you know the actual redeeming thing that we're all after the thing that you know. I feel like the beatles are pulling you towards this thing of goodness inside yourself and the stones are just there to essentially review and steal your wallet. You know like there's like it's just it's just reverberating there for you but if you get caught up in that same old capitalist system if you get caught up in that same old game you can. You can see people. They will leak at their mission is to hide though leak that their mission is to never reveal themselves because they're terrified to and it's not even to say that you are vulnerable we've had you know countless heroes and like rom dos. We've looked up to them and asked if they were google. But it's really important to get to that phase where you become so depressed because you realize it's not gonna work that way it's not gonna work out you have to get to that phase. That's totally deflating that you know you won't get to stay a child and you will have to become the adult and you will have to live in the world with consequences and responsibility that you'll never be able to hide away in this fucking fantasy thing telling you and selling you. God forbid man. Did i tell you that story about the buddha when he goes and meets brahmin. Have you ever heard that story. Tell me again. He meets god basically the synopsis. The buddha through meditation meets god. God's around all the other gods demi gods it's brahmin and so then god sins buddha back and then shows up and then grove and says look. I sent you away because re brutal is going to god because to find out i like take away the sorrows of humanity and brahmin says look man i these other gods think i'm god just because i was the first one here. I have no idea who made any of this. And i and i'm letting them believe on their daddy just because you know. They need me. But i don't know who made any of this. I don't know how to do the human stop human suffering. Can you help me figure it out into that. That's the best story of the disillusioned like like imagine getting the god. The god being like no. I have no idea. This shit's older than me. I don't know no idea. I'm sorry you know like that. That is the best. Because the moment that happens to you you've been given all your projection back you've been given the now it's like now you are a participant you know and instead of instead of somebody like doing what show him. Trump impishly called spiritual hitchhiking. You know what. I mean now. You're now you're in your own car your participate you're in it for real and that's beautiful. That's not in communities of people who are doing. That are lovely. You know what. I mean because in the community. It's the interfacing between people is where the guru shows up. You know and that's incredible. That's that's what i loved about those retreats man. That's where the real magic would happen. Where like once meeting somebody there who was the first time they calm and like i was just chatting with her and then we went and sat at a table and all of a sudden the Her in the prison. she's talking to they. They both realize that they both have just lost children like within the last year. You know what i mean like you know and then they both start crying because they're comforting each other. It's that you know what. I mean that whatever the fuck that is that's to me that's the guru that's it and you can't put that in a bottle you can't capture. You can't wrap it up in something and control it because it comes when it comes in and sometimes it's there sometimes. It's not in that. that's what i love. Which is why. It's so dastardly. When some mother fucker pretends he or she is that thing like. It's dastardly to do that to people. It's it's fucked up to do that to people you know that's really really i think as an actual sin is to do that to people and it doesn't just happen with spiritual communities. It happens just like you're saying with bike messengers. It happens with anytime you run into that motherfucker. Who's hot potato. You know what i mean. It's the worst thing. Internet culture saved me. You and i hate to give it so much credit but the internet like it gave us a way to just reverberate what we're doing our at home through this. You know narrow window out into the world but along with the rise of the internet came the rise of the know it all and now we live in. You know this alternate hater culture but there is it the know it all. Oh totally been what. What is the know it. All the nodal is someone who wants to shut the conversation down at every turn as efficiently as possible to prove. Have the last laugh. But that's what you're going back to. The people saying they'd lost children. It's that the healing the the creativity in that field as they bond it's that vulnerability it's remaining open it like there's no knowing all presence in between them the walls kind of lowered so it it's just as we take two steps forward into two and one step back in the sense that we have this ego inflation upon learning we also once we get we learned from like the vulnerability learning from pain. We then tried to set up a whole fortress again so the will never get hurt again. It's idiocy after we just learned from pain. You know so. I think there's this constant kind of sense of like well. I get it now so i'm done with the process right. I think that the the know. It all wants to say they're done with the process. Which obviously we know never happens but remaining vulnerable. That's i mean that's what a great artist and what you were talking about neo call like remaining your own unconscious to like let it speak to you to let the world to engage with the world. Those that's the way of you know just like lowering the walls. Yeah it's like. Yeah 'cause really whatever the fucking thing is that you're like you know you you you can your whatever. The metals are that you're their jingle and on your little bike messengers shirt or whatever whatever you give yourself metals for their. That's over now like you might have gotten a million awards. Those are gone now. I mean that was like what was always so awesome about. Stand up comedy saying like you're only as good as your last set. You don't even whatever the fuck happened before this it's gone and you. I know what you mean that that instinct to like hold on anything. God damnit please just give me one little place so like this is a guy here and it's also i think there is something to be said for a little basking. You know what i mean. It's cool to like basque for a second. But then sure as fuck that basking turns into like tanning and the tanning turns into like some cancerous activity. That's giving you a metronome because you've been laying under some dumb fucking little heating white that your ego invented because like you know what i mean like. Whatever it is. It's really quite depressing when you run it and think it's like i don't think basketball is the is the word for like ceiling. Good about your connection to the universe. I think it's not. I don't think that's what you are saying. But like i think that what feels good is true spiritual confidence like knowing that you are in touch with something and feeling that like even after you know some sort of match or set or concert or something that like if you had to go back out there and do it again you could do it even better. You know what i mean like. There's never any sense of being tired. There's never any sense that you wanna give in and give up and mike cash it. In and and basque. It's really the the the feeling like victory is is just really actually knowing that you can perform at your best and being in touch with your skills and not being you know tired in kind of ready to sell it all to some sort of you know brand pursuit or making money off of people. It's like about getting back in the ring. That's that i live. Yeah man that's it that is that is what you in that thing once. Got that because it doesn't hurt when that goes away when you get lost in the bean counting and then you're just like your your music. I don't this. Maybe something that happened to you but like for me. That's one of the most grim things is when i'm like you know like right now. I'm in a good place. Creatively in like anytime. I walk into my studio and i look at like my sense or the mobike my microphone. I'm excited you know 'cause like oh man i'm gonna make. I don't know what i'm gonna make make something you know and it's a joy but when like 'cause you know that's it you weren't. You're not gonna get anything better than that you won't. There's nothing in the world is for. It's gonna re going to replace that. Certainly not fucking money. you know. it's not because that's that's why i was talking about the angels because it's like that thing is bigger than the world it cuts through the world. It's the world rests on it or the ground of all things and it's like i don't mean that in a pretentious wailing in contact with the ground things. There's nothing special about it. You know it's like my my also my two year old is in contact with the ground of all things you know like you when he's playing in the creek. He's fully absorbed in the water in the creek. And that's it. He's not thinking. Like if i do a good job in the creek. I'm going to get. Maybe i'll get a raise toddler as you know it's like the yankees in the creek and he loves it and he's playing and then he goes and that's it. You know that that that to me that relationship that connection cuts through all the bullshit and cuts through all of it. I think it's very difficult for all. These mother. fuckers these seductive little fucking vampire. Charismatic sat there who have like a sad colt of like you know depressed. Record collectors around them or whatever the fuck they're into you know what be i. I think like once you make that contact your immune system won't tolerate that shit you know. That's what i'm talking about like that thing. When i was a kid which was like man. Maybe i can boy. I sure. Hope i get a smile from jeanne. Whoever the coolest person in your mind was that's that's gone. Now that's mostly gone. Not like you know. If if like there's still like i have idols. I idolize stephen king. You know what i mean. I saw idols. But it's mostly gone now. Only i mean. I think the the truest purest form of actual deflation actual sadnesses. When you walk into your room your life look at your instruments things like that and you look at your life and you. You realize you kind of too tired. You don't want to be present for it. You don't wanna participate in your own life right. Yeah and it's at that point you know you can. You can wait in those waters for a bit. But then it's time to to do whatever it takes. Whatever ritual whatever you know sacrificial task it takes to get back to that place where you actually wanna live your life again. That's you know. That's you're obligated to find that way to value this thing because it's not going to be going much longer. You know that i mean. Yeah it's like exactly that's it that's it and that's rebellion and that's the thing where you just shake off all the or whatever it is that's this is why i love like like christianity's why i love buddhism's where i love these things because not not because like some symbolic figure or anything but because they really do fly in the face of all hierarchical power structures that want to give you a sense that you're trapped. I love that man that to me is just such a joy. Even if you don't know how to get out of whatever your specific condition is it's like just that like sparkling knowledge that there is a way out it won't last you will. There is like you're going to see the shore that is that i don't know how to express it but to me. That's just a delight because it really fucks up the whole game of people who are like depending on you thinking that that you're a necessary component in their path to happiness true. It's like Just christian him is when it sank. You know when it's sang it reverberates in a church. The feeling bet your i feel like is intended is inclusion. Come into the house you know. You're you deserve to be like we. We include you and you can you know step into this dimension of love which is the opposite of everybody trying to exclude you out in the world in the cold. Hard capitalist world. Everybody's trying to push you out the door right. Yeah so yeah. That's that's not sane spirit you know there is good. I mean both of us dabbled with things all sorts of things. But you know we're lucky to to feel that we know the past back to that place. Yeah yeah that place that place and that is that. That is what god was. I was just reading this great quote. I can't remember who said it. Maybe the dalai lama some famous buddhist. But it was saying like no matter what the religion is no matter. What if like a christian is like through christianity experiencing like transcendent bliss. That's buddha that's buddhism. Buddhism isn't a thing like you know what i mean. It's not like a brand. It's like a state of consciousness. It's this like it's the. I know it's like when you're you know some like just when you're hanging out with people you love and you feel like you're warming your hand on like a fire. It's she is jolly it's cheery. It's that that it's not some austere thing. I used to think it's not you know what i mean. It's like it's not a. It's not a big deal anymore than it's a big deal to be like enjoying a nice day with your friends. You know what i'm saying. It's like it's the that's another thing that these motherfuckers do as they produced this path. That's long and arduous. And maybe it is but like basically the keith rainier like god jesus christ that guy created like a maze of initiation. It ended with him branding his initials on your pussy. Like you know what i mean like. He created like thousand stupid initiate tori rituals that just ended up exactly where any basic boring horny fucking dude. He's like no little fucking sick. Would be you know. My dream would be to shave girls pussy and just put my initials on. It is not even the saddest weirdest redneck on the beach and just like the ultimate possible trophy at the fuck. Was that holy shit. It's this foes thing like like that's why that's what i've heard with scientology's at the last thing. Is you get a briefcase. They opened up in the briefcase. It's like some weird shit our on hubbard wrote. It's like doesn't make any sense in it like either but by then you've spent so much money that you make it work so it's like when they're getting branded and the exactly like you said it's like they're just they're no different than somebody who like signed a release for girls gone wild. You know what i mean. It's like your yeah you just basically ended up and key through. New year's version of girls gone wild vanguard was really just a doodoo is like hey do keeler shots three way. Your brain is like what but what but you. You're the you're my you're my what do they call them. My thing. yeah you're my vanguard. They had other names for. What did he call my keith keith. Nece or something. It's so gross. My anyway the point is like yeah and who do you have to blame when you when you do. You have to blame when you find yourself feeling a brand with keith rainier initials going over your pussy. Who do you have to blame when your girlfriend who you got into the call or your wife comes back home with a bandage on. It's key through nears initials. is it. Keith rainier you have to blame or is it. The fact that you decided to be an dollar you decide. I don't think there's a single moment in either of those documentaries where any of those people take responsibility. I can't remember single moment. Where any of them. Say your fucked up. It's insane the whole the documentary the vow and seduced. Have you seen seduced. You know you'll just be screaming at the television every five minutes. The whole thing is based on. How like they were just duped. They were trent and yet they are also acting as masters to their own slaves. All play innocent in. It's so so sad. I mean it's a testament to people's deep lust to escape their own responsibility in life to get underneath someone else. That will be responsible for everything. It's so fucking sick. But i couldn't turn away because i guess i just wanted to angry that to me. That's like the part where they like. That's the main thing like these mother fuckers. It's not just that they were like vacuumed up into a colt is they also let themselves be little mini cult leaders and had their own to radical bullshit and then weird way. Some of them are replicating. It's still you know what i mean. That's the weird thing is like. There's now they're like turning themselves into like survivors of colt. But i mean oh xactly th. There's there's even shots that nikki girl outside of the courthouse now where she looks just like the manson girls. She still follows keith. She still outside the prison dancing around. Have seen this new video where the the followers that still exist are dancing outside of keith. Prison window that true. Yeah look it up there like fucking video that they published of themselves like frolicking through the prison parking lot. God that's i. some duty. Halfpenny show is so popular because a lot of people didn't grow up. Maybe quite obsessed with the manson families we were but like that was such a big deal back then man like helter skelter being in your high school library was like that was that what. What are you going to check out over that. That's the book you're gonna go check out of the library man to. I don't know why people are are unable to just say yeah. I got like completely tricked. Like i got taken. I was dumb like i. I just like you know. I just wanted to meet god you know and like i was lazy so i let this guy be god for a second really gross and then you what i mean like that to me is like would be such a wonderful moment to see some of these fucking like trump idolaters to see like one of these imagine if one night tucker carlson was like oh you guys i just fell for it. I can't believe it i felt for. I decided like some real estate dude was like abraham lincoln and has a mistake. That'd be such a delight. You know what i mean. It would make them so much more powerful to you would be like what it gets the they it's structured so that people are are put in a position to try to prey on each other right like your friend isn't gonna come to you and say like jadu. I tried the publishers. Clearinghouse with ed mcmahon on the front and stuff and like. He didn't work out for me like nobody's does that. They try to sell you the avon stuff they try to sell you the shit. Yeah yeah it's weird right like yeah. It's so bizarre. I mean just like you can end up in a shitty relationship and you can be like yeah. I just made a mistake. That i thought that i was just i didn't i was too. I didn't really see what was happening there. And it just kept going on and on and but somehow with colts man people just don't want to just don't wanna give i get it though i get it. I mean god. Damn it. I get it is there. Is something really sad. When you realize you've just there's not much of a difference between you and like a dog that you see humping someone's lag a party but that but that status moment is like the essential pivot point into adulthood. Like you hide you let down like that. You can't remain in that place that basically the government or everybody's trying to put you in their trend you know you can't kill your neighbor in the ghetto because your votes so frustrated you have to help lift each other. There's like this really pathetic video. Game that i play when i'm bored and if you're in a fast car and you drive away from all the people chasing you there's a point which though i'll just turn on each other until each other because they're so frustrated they can't get to you. What game that's awesome. I don't wanna serve. But but i mean that is definitely a metaphor for a level of like a game from howard right. It's it's. it's the obsession with winning right. Yeah and like at some point you have to just let it go. You know you just have to let someone else fucking win. And like not keep clawing at the man next to you ask to try to get ahead. And that is yeah. That's going to be a moment of great sadness but you need to go there. Man bears day of the rest of your fucking life embarrassment to an embarrassment. You you like you know man. Sometimes like i'll just ended up in the woods with with my kid and you just realize like yeah. This is pretty much it like this is this is a billion times. Better than anything that that you're going to get from white like being a careerist or from anything like this. You're not gonna get nothing's going to surpass like taking a walk and then you go and when walking in a creek with this two year old you know what i mean and as for me like that's a that's a weird moment because you're like well i could have done this earlier. I tend to sooner. You know like labor. That's okay you can. That's where you should bask. Maybe there is a basking in that because that you are being here now. You're finally letting yourself be there you know. Yeah but i think a lot of people. That's that's really. I think that could be a little bit a dismay even though it's nothing special it's like the same shea year all the time out. Alan watts talks about it. All the time dowd aging talks about it all the time pretty much everybody talks about it which is like. Oh yeah you go ahead and do all the human pursuit stuff. But you're not gonna do better than nature you you could become like the great emperor of planet earth and you could have like a fuck fanny pack full of drina chrome or whatever the fuck slurpy back into the whole. The nations of the world are bowing to you. But you're not going to do better than river. You can't become more noble than like a basic pine tree. You know what. I mean no matter how much silk or whatever the fuck you're wearing the great and he cries leader and it isn't that the ultimate frustration of those people you know like when you look at trump or when you look at any autocrat or when you look at anybody. They all seem kind of collapsed in because they know the great secret. That's the problem right. They know the great secret. They know that they are not that great. And that that's the ultimate conspiracy because they have all these fucking people worshiping them it. Do you think. I can the core of it like when yes doesn't win load when they pull the curtain back on the wizard of oz see particularly. Does he have a look of kind of sadness. Yeah it's i mean keith keith. Ranieri he didn't even he didn't even plan out like his vices. He didn't even seem like he knew he was like arbitrary. This one seems like she'll let me put her in a cage. He didn't even seem like he was actually experiencing that much crime secret joy. You know no no he just was kind of like you know he just. He reminds me of like a horny like sort of dude. You played it in a like in. Who was in band in high school or something and then like made a couple of really into star craft. Yeah yeah just kind of like and then just somehow got caught in a bizarre updraft and didn't let it stop. Tsa thing man. If i'm at somebody's house and they have a leg hump and dog. It's already annoying. But i recall a time when i was at someone's house may let the dog hump their way like they didn't stop it. They let it go on too long. And you know you got like. That's that's bestiality like the dog. You push the dog away. Like don't know you don't sit there with your leg outstretched letting some dogs fuck your leg until it has some like canine orgasm. And that's what these ladies do. An alternate metaphor. Don't let your leg like you know 'cause like you're you're not helping yourself. You're going to get dog. Come all of your jeans and you're sure it's fucked and i opened. The dog deserves to fuck something more than a leg. you know. i think that's the main thing is like you should always be pushing people off. Your great moral is podcast is. Don't let them hope your leg. No i think you know. I is usually get into pretty like emotional circle stuff but today i think as important to there's like a social service to like just saying like like some of this this new independent thinking this new breed of people who are doing their research and essentially just like a affirming their confirmation bias and living off means main. There's just we have a responsibility to as now the elder kids or whatever just call out some of the bullshit so it just seemed like to do over two hours of just like rican textual izing instead of just people being able to make someone like you into anything they want and give you some allegiance. You don't have a mean. I just think it's really clear that you're really just fighting for love and something very simple. Something very positive. Yeah and i and if anyone listening to this is in the cia. i'm not opposed to joining. How do you not troll troll. I would join the fuck it. What's the big deal. I'm forty six. Man i like to. I wanna see a thing. They would. yeah they would. What's the big benefit of of inducting. You into cia yet. I don't think there's any it be really bad for the cia. I'm happy be able to keep a secret like you think i'd be able to not talk about like an alien artifact the stuck day you you've had too many sienese you're just giving away everything. Yeah there's no fucking way that like. I could find out about alien artifacts or anything like that of that nature. I guess if i was under the threat of death i guess. If they're look you want to see it. It's an alien casket we found arizona ago. Ill advocates. we can't figure it out. I don't know if you tell anybody about this. I'm going to kill you and your family. I would not tell you like you wouldn't get past the first in relation of your first joy. You'd be like craziest thing you're right you know. Why would see you. And i'd be like ema. Turn your phone off. Saw fucking alien artifact. I'm in the cia. And that's the last thing i would say before you see a red dot on my forehead. He my love you man. Thanks for doing the show. It's been too long. Yeah yeah for sure. We'll do it sooner maybe next week. Yeah yeah dude. I can't wait to see it. You'll be here soon. By latvia email amos everybody make sure you pick up his new album raw and disfigured from thrill jockey records and a big thank you to our sponsors for supporting the dt f h and thank you for listening. I'll see you soon how.

Jeff conaway portland duncan trussell Eam aim Trussell cia tex watson jd shapiro cunanan forty eight hours la ryan vin courtland colt chapel hill amos hollywood hills lexington one day papa murphy
S11: Infamous: The Manson Family Murders

Parcast Presents

13:41 min | 1 year ago

S11: Infamous: The Manson Family Murders

"The year was nineteen, sixty, nine, and Hollywood starlet Sharon tate was on top of the world. She had love a successful film career and a baby on the way. Then everything changed if you enjoy today's episode and want to hear more of history's most detestable true crime events subscribed today in true crime episodes released daily free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Today is Sunday August ninth twenty twenty on this day in nineteen, sixty, nine, four members of the Manson family had broken into the house of Sharon Tate and Roman. Polanski just after midnight they murdered tate and her house guests. Welcome. To today in true crime apar- cast original due to the graphic nature of today's crimes. Listener discretion is advised extreme caution is advised for listeners under thirteen. Today were covering the Manson family murders. These grisly murders were so shocking and vile there said to have ended the peace and love spirit of the sixties ushering in an era of violence and political upheaval. Let's go back to Los. Angeles. California our story begins after dark on the eighth and into the wee hours of August ninth nine, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, nine. Charles Manson had never told them to kill anybody not explicitly anyway but that was how Charlie talked most times. He just had a way of saying things without saying anything at all. That night he'd allegedly stuck his head in the car and said to his followers if you're going to do something, do it well and leave something witchy. Those words had rattled around in twenty year old Linda Ca Sabians head during the long drive down from spawn ranch she sat in the driver's seat next to twenty-three-year-old Tex Watson, who seemed to know exactly where they were going in the backseat Patricia Krenwinkel and Susan Atkins were jittery with anticipation. Eventually, they pulled into the long driveway at one zero, zero, five, zero, Cielo drive techs pulled over a ways back from the house and told the three girls to pile out of the car. He sent Linda to the back of the house to be lookout while Tex Susan and Patricia. Snuck. Around Front. Inside Sharon, Tate was mixing cocktails for her three Houseguests J. C.. Bring Abigail folder and Vojtech for Hausky taint herself wasn't drinking being eight months pregnant at the time. She was happy with her big belly ready to meet her baby and glad to have her friends surrounding her the four of them had spent the day enjoying one another's company. In fact, they were so busy having fun. None of them noticed when Tex Watson's stepped through the sliding door and into the living room gun drawn. Nor when Susan Patricia appeared behind him it wasn't until texts whispered to Susan that Vojtech realized someone else was in the house when he demanded to know what was going on texts spat I'm the devil and I'm here to do the devil's business. Sharon and her friends held onto one another hoping these invaders would rob them and leave but that hope quickly faded when text growled you're all going to die. From her vantage point in the backyard Linda Kosabe couldn't see much. It was a peaceful summer night. She heard the Canyon wins the crickets, and then a blood curdling scream cut through the air followed by three gunshots. Panicked Linda ran toward the house toward the sliding door connecting the living room to the backyard what she saw made her blood run cold. Inside. The House tax was on top of Vojtech for Hausky repeatedly pistol-whipping him over the head a few feet from him. JC bring crawl toward the sliding door blood pouring from a gunshot wound in his stomach before he could get very far tax pounced on him, stabbing him over and over until texts was drenched in Jay's Vlade. Meanwhile Susan Atkins tackled Sharon tate who was begging for her life as Sharon and screamed Susan stabbed her pregnant belly and. Sharon tried to crawl out from under this mad woman but Susan was relentless plunging a knife into Sharon's back. The only person Linda couldn't see was Patricia. Krenwinkel. Just then Abigail folder came bursting outside door and into the Back Yard Patricia tackled her folder screamed as Patricia cut into her twenty eight times. The sound of the knife ripping at folger's flesh may Linda. Sick. Linda turned away from the massacre ready to heave but she stopped short standing before her was a bloodied beaten Freak Hausky miraculously still alive he'd been shot twice and beaten over the head with a gun yet. Somehow he managed to crawl his way out of the living room and into the back yard the to stared at one another for a moment then for cow ski staggered past her and collapsed on the grass. As he lay dying texts shot out of the House and jumped on top of him decidedly finishing the job stabbing him fifty one times. Once. Sharon and her guests were dead. The four Manson family members fled the scene as the foursome sped back to spahn ranch. The sound of that blood curdling scream rang in Linda's ears. She closed her eyes nauseous from the smell of warm blood filling the car. In a moment the aftermath of one of the most infamous murders in the American cannon now back to the story. On the night of August eighth and into the early hours of August ninth nineteen, sixty, nine, four of Charles Manson's followers murdered Sharon tate, and her friends supposedly in an attempt to kickstart a race war which they nicknamed helter skelter. But actually, it's more likely that the murder was to cover up their other crimes. To understand why Charles Manson would unleash his family on an innocent pregnant actress and her friends you have to understand Manson himself. He was above all else broken a child of emotional and physical abuse. He grew up feeling unloved and unwanted. His life followed a familiar trajectory petty theft assaults prison, and a constant need for validation. By the time, he began collecting his followers in nineteen, sixty, seven Manson exhibited troubling behavior consistent with narcissism and he seemed incapable of empathy. He preyed on women half his age building his own private. Harem he sexually manipulated his followers and kept them high on LSD, slowly brainwashing them into thinking he was a deity he isolated his followers on spawn ranch an old movie set in the mountains outside of La, he scared the Manson family into believing that the apocalyptic race war was coming in his estimation. The white man had oppressed the black community for far too long and it was their turn to take over while most of the white race would die Manson, and his followers would survive through his guidance. But he also taught the Manson family that while the black community would seize power they wouldn't know what to do with it after the race war which Manson called helter skelter because of secret messages he claimed to here in the Beatles Song, the inhabitants of spawn ranch would be in charge. On the night of August eighth nine, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, nine, Manson sent his four most faithful followers to a house in Beverly Hills were record producer had once promised Manson fame and fortune with Manson's musical dreams in ruins and his paranoia increasing he likely thought of the House as a symbol of the entertainment industry that had rejected him by this point however, the House on Cielo drive belonged to Sharon tate and Roman Polanski though Polanski was out of town. Manson's followers murdered Sharon tate. Afterward. Susan Atkins Patricia Krenwinkel and Tex Watson wrote what they thought looked like black panther rhetoric on the living room walls using their victims blood as inc.. The idea was to blame the murders on the Black Panthers in the hopes of both covering up the crime and Manson claimed jumpstarting helter skelter. When Susan Patricia Texan Linda arrived back at the ranch Manson was in a celebratory mood. He figured that Bhai morning there would be riots in the streets. He assumed Los Angeles would be set on fire. So naturally, he was disappointed when the southern skyline never filled with black smoke, it seemed La was yet to burn. The Night of August tenth, he sent the same four silence on another mission. This time they were joined by Charles Manson himself and the two youngest members of the Manson family nineteen year olds, Clem Grogan and Leslie Van Houten together. They murdered two more people lino and Rosemary Lobby Janka who had been chosen seemingly at random. An autopsy would later show that Rosemary had been stabbed forty one times and Lino Twenty six times plus repeated punctures from a fork. Again, they tried to stage the crime scene in a way that made the Black Panthers. Look. Responsible. The Manson family crimes never sparked a race war, but that's not to say they didn't leave a lasting mark on American culture at the time the counterculture movement was gaining momentum peaceful protests against racial injustice and the Vietnam War captured full cycles. But once the Manson family was connected to the tate labianca murders in late nineteen, sixty, nine, the country was quick to demonize all hippies. Granted Manson never considered himself a Hippie, but the Manson families flower child aesthetic was enough for the mainstream media to vilify the entire counterculture. The once peaceful protests against the Vietnam War grew violent the Kent state shootings marked turning point in the free love roots of the Hippie movement by the time, the murders went to trial. The spirit of the sixties was dead of vinyl victim of Charles, Manson. Thanks for listening today in true crime I'm Vanessa Richardson, if you'd like the full story of the Manson family murders, checkout are episodes of female criminals and crimes of passion that dive deeper into the story today in true crime is a podcast original. You can find more episodes of today in true crime and all other park has originals for free on spotify that only does spotify already. Have all of your favorite music. But now spotify is making it easy for you. Enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals liked today and true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream today in true crime on spotify just open the APP and type today in true crime in the search bar will be back with a brand new episode tomorrow in True Crime. Today in true crime was created by Max Cobbler and is a park cast studios original. It is executive produced by Max Cutler Sound Design by Juan Boorda with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Carly, Madden, and Joshua Kern this episode of today in true crime was written by Aaron Land with writing assistance by Maggie admire I'm Vanessa Richardson.

Charles Manson Sharon tate Susan Patricia Texan Linda Susan Atkins Patricia Krenwinkel Tex Susan Tex Watson Susan Patricia spotify Vojtech murder Black Panthers Roman Polanski Linda Kosabe Back Yard Patricia Linda Ca Sabians Hollywood La Hausky
Ep. 666

The Fighter And The Kid

1:34:26 hr | 4 months ago

Ep. 666

"Ufc two sixty. Is this fricken saturday. Steep bay francis the rematch. We've all been waiting for for the heavyweight championship. Make money with draftking sportsbook official sports betting partner of the ufc. And here's a parley. I personally picked. Just you guys can make bank bro. Sent luke gay sean. O'malley and francis gano if they all win their fight you make money so all new users download the top draftking sportsbook. Now use the promo code fighter when you sign up. Bet on my parlay of fighters to win saturday night for uc to sixty again to get the parlay to boost the odds. You gotta bet on vint vincit the center luc shomali and francine donal of all three win. You make bank all right. That's this saturday. Uc to sixty take advantage of my special odds parley. Busse promo code fighter. Only at draftking sportsbook must be twenty one and older new jersey pennsylvania indiana michigan virginia only restrictions apply see draftkings dot com for full details gambling. Problem call one eight hundred gambler or an indiana one. Eight hundred nine with it or in virginia eight five three two thousand five hundred again. Draftking sportsbook promo code fighter. Bat on my parlay lupe o'malley francis gano. You're welcome kids k. Put a seat on the in britain. Everybody wake up early and play in this with the kids. The kids put own dance of jews. Skinny does not wearing hoodies guinea though diet channel now you an appendix out. Oh yeah a bro. You about to lose weight now. Half the wall as the gym that dude. Yeah he came. I was opening for trevor wallis in san jose bear. Who was in lighter. Funny i'll say oh thanks to. He's just chilling agreement. Had no clue about bring it up. Say taking a shit and start. I'll be right back star. We turn the middle book and google. Right now tim. He's ruptured says. did he. Like i know. I know the songs i'd have to see him. You'd never seen him of okay like for a hot minute you. He data jordin sparks for data. Right now he had like a beef going over his girl nil fighting and he had an apology. It's apologized lincoln part looking public kim. That i kind of guess. Who's the rapper. Don't wanna song remix. Ooh yeah yeah. I don't think so. I think you think illegal part with jc hard. They wake doing spokane broad. Those lincoln park toyin the billy mountain. My son was like oh. You got toys cool off and broke the boxes open. I look over. And he's taking going. Those are my toys. How does he got me surprised. Adam like no. And then. I looked down like oh you got my toys sam. He's madison one's pretty cool. Yeah i wanna bring in here before he ruined. I'll probably try and bring it wednesday for the already opened it. Yeah they're good in the in the little. I know well. They're worth money. I guess you've leaving the bucks. We missed you for a second. We didn't think we would need you was telling and then we needed you. How well can you never in. Quarterlane idaho right. Hey when he talked about it because they want keep it a secret or besson secret. No legs dope though And so we did we. We played spokane comedy club. But we didn't stay in spokane because we don't do math so then we stayed in core lane which is like thirty minutes forty minutes thirty forty minutes ron. That lake little cabin with the though that places you love that you get a fish right off the right off the dow fishing. I want to go there before it. But then it was snowing so would only be ice fishing. Not this like so. It was lake house straight up quarterly and there are people fishing chihuahua. It would've been cool. You've been alaska for fishing. No that's another dream mind. Yeah my my dopp folk side. My grandpa he clam heavy. You know what. I'm trying to say they go. They do like a fishing trip to alaska images birds. I i think like every year. That's beautiful you're going to go do so much. It was it was nice weather. Kortelainen knows. i mean there's only rainy a little bit. You know it was only warmer. We got in and then like the rest of the on. Saturday was in bed saturday. Morning was great. But about we're bundled up though we've cut him. I was watching that. Oj should yeah. You don't know the oj story so watching. Yeah obviously i know the fucking surface level shit. I got my master's degree and then you got your math. He's got his master's in oj. Through the whole i saw because yeah they completely changed the house. He's talking about where she was murdered. Yes yeah the townhouse. I drove by it. You drove by on his anniversary drill by addresses. Chain nicole kidman as an address change. The residents is different. Who knocked it all down. Because they don't want dumb ass is a to drive by all the time. Because that's what was happening. I guess like he was such a fucking taurus hit. It's we ring. Those murder citation charleston. Kate killing what's the point. We'll because i reached i don't know why do i read so much about it. I want to visually see like the darkness that went down so like when i drove sharon. Tate's house it's creepy man. Because i know 'cause i studied it so much i know exactly where tex watson park the car i know the walk. They made so he can read about it when you. When you're there you can park where he parked here. then like what. It's just weird. you like. put it all together. They are they parked yet into the hill. They walked uphill here. Burda chair tate and the full journey. The rest of you feel like a pi missing brew. I get scared like it's creepiest. Fuck man it is really all this. I don't know wrote that book on the plane that the night stalker book. It's like the balls. Deep in the night stalker they get into like the murders and him in prison. And all this stuff. What was weird with that night. Stalker stuff the murders of show. Intends is so scary. I wouldn't read it on my own. Like i get scared sometimes. It's so graphic. I put the book. I'm a fuck. Why did i read this but down and like an hour go by the might let me see this shit only have fifty pages left but it's scary man when you're reading it when we were on the Come from cleveland. Yeah that starting. Cleveland almost done with it now smoking because i only read every at home kids right. Get the fuck out here. Only read on planes but dan. What's about him like gets busted clearly. He's the murder. There's evidence all over from a shoeprint. His dna because he raped them. So there's avenue is all over the place and his family like there's no way he did this so is fairly come visit him. And he's like they're framing me. they're framing. this is ridiculous. I didn't do this. There's trying to put on a poor mexican kit. His families like yeah. That's right like what the fuck like louis look it off. And then he would murder people for you know jewelry and cast for murdered them then you take that jewelry rings bracelets necklaces that are specific to that person. They murdered and send a sister so they went to. His sister's house has has the night sarker guinea jewelry and she was like. Yeah and like let us see so. They opened up. All the people have been murdered jewelry. She's like i don't believe he did it. Are you out of your fucking mind that just so by the oblivious because their brother he's like the little brother now like there's no way he did it then even when he was in prison he was like i'm just gonna say guilty and then i know you've got to fight this because you're innocent and you could tell he was like yeah. There's going to frame you. So i'm fucked either way. He's an guilty can. Obviously he's guilty and yet so many host come after so many hoes like they said the warden's like the the security of the prison. We've never seen anything like this. So many girls wanted to fuck. They thought it was so like you. So hanthropy buffers they no conjugal visits. He can talk to him on the phone. And like you got like die hard like ryder die bitches so weird. Right is weird that you read. It was at the house when when cows our house a new book came says why are people so in love with serial killers. I'm trying to figure there's a book about that. Yeah i got the brendan. Why is infatuated with syria. I hear you. I hear you but dr enough to people. This is about this six six. I saying you wanted to go to that fucking hotel again. You talking about him but again. Here's what's interesting i seat. J was a lot of people emailed firing the kid Shop at gmail.com lot of people even with the you can't you can't go there. I was not able to book anything. So i don't know what's happening. You said people who deem deeming means saying you only tell off main now that i'll stay on main change the name it'd been fun to do it but man it's just when you look more into it did he. You wanna talk about terrible fucking. What about that girl at the water tower mental health shout out better help dot com promo code shop. That's all she's shoes on. She was on med. Well that's the thing they're kind of like you know. Look at that story. It's like people want to say she was like demonized and stuff like crazy man. Like meanwhile her folks. We're sitting here saying no. She really look conspiracies. Way more fun. Here's what actually happened. Is shoes on medication. Didn't take her meds. She had crazy episodic things happened before they find it under beds terrified thing. Somebody's chasing her. She decides to take a truck in journey down in california goes to all these spots. Yeah stop taking medication. She's just happens to be at that. Creepy hotel didn't take your meds wonders off climbs in the water tower. They didn't look the fuck and water. Tower they crazy s and their de. Que saw yeah they were. There was someone that broke down. They were like it's so easy to get into that water tower yesterday. They literally had only getting sued for. It shouldn't be that easy and then they're like well. Why was the top closed when they found her. How would a person drown the closed top and then the janitor was well. I was checking on i. Opened it salt freaked out closed it. He's a case all closed it. People i know you did it. Goes against ghost. Ghost demon is. I'm like man mental health man. Yeah it's crazy. All right say kay saw people really believe in that stuff though. It's so fun. I love it. It's so fun charles. Manson one even the charles manson wants to meet certain the most strange case there is because he's doing using experiment with the cia with d. and in aspirations about that he had he was out on parole. He would violate his all. The time and people came in charles manson's right daily he. He violated all these goal. Rest of and every cobb county by now like higher. We're not allowed to fuck with them. Why weren't they foot. Why why can't they fuck with them. It's just that charles. Manson fucking a weird case. Dude fury chaos by forget the author. It it really. You think i'm gonna read these books. It'd be damn hotel. Yeah definitely dom. After i read. What when you watch the documentary night. Stocker it kinda gives you just how bad he is there. It is that that's the best circular book in the world. Tom serial killer book. It's it's the most interesting book you will ever read. Ever as far as charles manson best book of all time It's it's it's i couldn't put it down. It's fucking captivating. So see a had their hands on told you can touch up. All the did get this out of five. His parole officer in san francisco like helped them out and they'd let it just. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make it all doesn't make sense and they're all like the whole narrative that the the real famous what came out that a pool on pelosi. Jesus christ i forget the guy who wrote Helter skelter out. His helter skelter was the book that the prosecutor Vince The vincent Book buccio ceelo locie. He wrote it and this was also his defense saying that you know. He started race war and into the beatles and he did it to create all this race stuff and then charles manson. I like the beatles. The beach guy see. I don't listen to fucking beatles he's like you're gonna make sense so like paying this whole narrator that he's crazy inning launches race warnings like what you swastikas. It just looked crazy. 'cause he there's a point when he was on trial he's on never giving up. Some skills leaned into the crazy shit. Also try to make him look crazy because he had you see him in those. Those videos has really long hair and the beard. He's like. I asked shave. So i looked like a fucking normal person they want. They let me 'cause they knew. I like fucking crazy. You ball stephen king question other. This might be a weird question. Let me ask you flag dolly whose the best serial killer in your mind because that s a weird question because he's balls bt k. Killer fucking pretty gruesome he he. He didn't forever but the number the best as far as if you weren't say bass like mo most deaths was this guy who worked in old folks home and hospital because you know old people they die but he would be like oh cool and then just like someone's grandma cover the nose the mouth kill them like oh manch best way. This is so sad. And then he came out was like they vanished. You'd like eighty grandma anyway. Yeah he's he's like the most success week. He was so hard to track. Can't they tell though no so tell. You can't like because they were there on ventilators like breathing because issues breathing already. So he look at this. This whore fifty is a campus. You go to different nursing homes. Take their man. My grandma's hundred hundred y- patients care with total number is two hundred fifty people. They team they can figure out. Your grandma goes there and she's like on our last leg and stay less and then just fucking kill him boy. He looked like he was on his lasley this month. Check into it because they're just old people so you got away with it for this was in the uk count. He was just kill person. Does torture kilgore's creepiest. Bound tortured killer. He looked normal. Head like fan was he. Was he executed way. That guy from always sunny in philadelphia. Pa don't you dare compare. Danny devito how dare you he. He he veto gift. He was off you. What was this deal now. Torture kill so he would. He would Tie the people up. And while while he's raping yes that's one of his victims. He put massgov shit. He'd wear weird shit but he was married and so you like he would kill and then his wife suspected so he went on a break was he was like five years later. Bad bad dude piece of shit. Wow yeah that is weird is it. Was he a cup be. Because he's him down there on the right no Sorry right there in the middle right there. It looked like maybe it's not him. Maybe that's the person that caught him now. That doesn't dark. was he a cup. What is what is health bind torture. Kill ten people. Wichita kansas and around this is in the ninety s now. Sp eighties eighties at the bottom. Oh is that guy did hopefully real piece of shit. I never heard of these Killers right creepy stuff. What's weirs the narrative that Ted bundy's like this handsome serial killer. Ted bundy was smart like he. He really handsome. Not compare to this where to say. But not compared to Ramirez handsome for the time and like where he was killing like gandhi areas like he was good looking. Like you know how there's like a la and then like a which. He's a cleveland. all seven in cleveland. He he cleveland utah. He got it. He went places but he was handsome. Warm goes into this guy. Looks like he's shown me. Yeah you're gonna change chin. Dropped his grade them. If you will. I don't think ted buddies that handsome but he's like zach. Ephron played him in the movie on netflix. Zach inferences timepiece. He's he's he's here to. Richard ramirez richard ramirez those blue eyes dude richer ramez that long hair. Cry richard ramirez. Oh no compared. Oh come on hold on the. It's the hair he's good looking. Do the guy from american horse. Who's that girl. He's added him in as a character using the nineteen seventies. One what does the first american in the last one was on. That was just kidding. But as far as like goodly and serial killers. He's numeral who knows son some girls that he raped they didn't kill. They went describe that he was a very good looking. Latino guy way when get his teeth fix while he was in precisely thought he was hot with bad teeth but they said he was very attractive to open his mouth. And that's that's one of the ones he got caught. He had like all these. Cavities and his teeth were all fucked up and he. He went to dent in koreatown shorts to come back so they had cops wait in there and pretend they were waiting but he never he was privy to it. He thought to it so never came back but like he's gonna have to figure out its teeth because he's in so much pain look what he what. He was a big rock band so before murders he'd listen to. Acdc highway to hell and he had a dope acdc hat and then he killed one. Person's hatfill off brendan cycled pedia for the book. These people infatuated with serial killers having started. It is interesting. You're the only person like now like these fucking murder mystery. Docs on fucking netflix's are like so fucking pop you. Meanwhile i have no in the number one podcast. Eight rogin ain't fucking fine. Kidding king's name ain't bad friends not crystallize. It's it's crime. Murder mystery is like cereal the apology. Line the biggest demo. Do you have all like housewives and shit. Listen to it not just eighteen. Three six bros. Like there's so many more. Like just. I thought i thought it was a lot of females. That like listen to do like my mom. My mom knows in type in because my mom was into she. Watch dateline and shit. Well when i was like a kid. I'd watch my mom. Let me watch freddy krueger and like goodfellas killing us but again like you meet people like brennan my mom. You would never suspect that their income my mom wash snap religiously like early. Episodes like snap is like women who like snap in house miller husband are. Why keep watching this series now. It's not scripted. it's real. Why is it like the movie enough. And but she she's leading up loser to turn for bisciotti's two weeks and then she's like put on month and you might be everybody's you wanna go. She's stitches all so people can learn a lot of. She had a right hand on realistic. She'd been like are you added. Check it out. it's going to. I've had enough of you cheating on your diet. Let's talk about cheating on my diet. Like probably looking a lot slimmer. Let's talk about it though he. Actually i had a fucking sticky bone about him and jay. Go to breakfast with malik. You you just street and jason he goes. These sticky buns are ridiculous specifically touch. Don't let chapelle eat those no-one comedy back. Nothing and then later in the green room jay chapelle. Peter told you. I told you told me you had the mcdonalds cookies. Mcdonald's cookie jerry. So i thought he doesn't mean to because someone delivered postmates. Donald trump says you like sixty cookies and a happy meal while he's say one is mike to have. I love those mcdonagh cookies. Warm and i saw. Does this sound like had the cookies bro. Cat this sound like a trap. Someone's just magically delivers us while britain is on stage. Yeah three chicken sandwiches to mcdonald's and thirty eight thirty chocolate chip cookies and three lauch fries and a diet cohen. And thank to add that. I don't think your to blame. Because steve told me the entire week. It was hard to get food so it's not like it. Was that area where you could get something healthy quickly. So that's the only thing you have contracts matter really capping didn't have any co you your back. They were still there. I support in the rise of the chicken and rice. No study those make you feel guilty. Don't don't do that kind of lock. It up man. It's tough when you're three weekends. Listen and i've been doing fine and then you would've wanted to have one. Sticky buns had one cookie ready. You know i had a. I had a pieces to. Dan gets missed the workout this morning. Work and what you do and what did you do you. would he workout talking about. Hey man i'm not gonna make. I'm going to breakfast. That is true for brick spinach. Like i always do. That's a good breath. Yeah thank you. Very much sean. Buying you buy it. You know what. I'll do what you have. Would you have to knew it. I it exit spinach every girl get okay. Why does it seem. Did you guys split just a little cinema or something. Yeah sticky buns doubt. I know you which i mean. What do we have has a protein. Drink and almond butter day. You went to gentle. Oh yeah he was. Zillow mark leftist. I'm i'm seeing my family affair. You can see your family on the weekend. Mark mark you know are scheduled. Doodo the fucking scares trainer just dips out z. My momma know. We're gone thursday through fuck and sons so his his schedule revolve around your schedule. Now's i'll tell you what i thought. I don't have any coke. If i did done it yesterday we had a seven. Am flight got zero. Sleep got about three hours of sleep landed around nine thirty. Got home at ted. My girls like oh tiger surf. Best friend's birthday party staley. Oh so now. I'm with boston tiger at this fucking birthday party having parents we. I'm glad we kept do. We were on the plane. We had yesterday from Spokane fucking over view and it was one of those fucking allergy any any. You know it's to see so chapelle chapelle always want the windows seat. I'm like is not enough room for japan. I'd be leaning. gabby i'm but it was. It was pretty wild. Never been on the plane from portland. L. regularly propeller one was pretty funny. Is taking that flight. The flight to miami's punk now this week thursday three weeks. It's too much man too much at the end of february. No know that's what he means to workout. And that's just wanted to spend a little time with my girl. Is that fun. That's cool looking slimmer. Though i saw the pitchy again and say yes. I do it every day old me what else you hold me. Hold me hold me. Told me he right all right. You hear me her me. Yeah i post that picture me go like this three sold out shows in one day and the whoever has the best caption give two tickets on miami so goes like this in the best capturing goes that's how many pounds brennan's lessons start at zoo. That is a little bit pictures of the beggar. Jair man johnny picked a winner the winner but how many more inches is stevie than you. Who three do i really liked. A dot com. Okay was probably my favorite crowd so my favorite crowds were great. I love spokane. I mean i'm glad we didn't stay out there. You know because we pulled up and it was yeah flip and right every fucking with the gold chain on that was when we just gotta fucking warren said just like the ringworm reading. Someone is created him as the reading. Go to go to justin bill. Like the reading. Where his head round head justice pitcher. But you gotta go when he has the glasses on his ready does yeah go to justice profile. It's just just laughing so hard. Oh my god. That's fucking hilarious. Just justin could. We would just saying you know gone. They've gone away man. I need i need to get back. Get back on all never started. He's so skinny. He's right there. Looks like the reading worm their quick which one hundred tom right off. Fill out the reading. Feels i mean you you just in the exact same and y'all eat. what do you like. Hey why justin put. Temp improv was magical last night. Has jack never stopped. Hashtag urged never stop what stands take a motivational. Won't stop. can't stop hashtag motivation. I got this no hitter sale of the mark harley man as way no actually just eats worse than you just not. That much just needs like my son tiger. He loses apple juice lemonade. Chicken tenders champs for taking chips. He bought chips. Somebody read what else he. Yeah and i'll be like damn. Do i thought you were working on. Your dis hamdan. Starting next week always said that last week watching them the gym because he wasn't really doing anything he didn't know what to do he didn't know the peak of a dumbbell like this was on the leg machine. Just sitting there hill. He became what man. I need to get back on a last night. He was like man. Might have swallow your whole sometimes being elected smallest in the clip. He he would he yeah he could get like shredded with his body type like because he's an active more for sure he shredded. You think he right and just got lane. He looked dope man. He looks like when he played basketball in college. Things is there any pictures. Why are you looking at me. Because you know i- pitches in cali. Do you have pictures playing basketball in college. Beaches union college. I've never seen any other. I'm pitches and conway. Oh i didn't know you don't believe me really what college college. Okay what you definitely want. Some proof caused now probably on facebook. But i'm not about to go through that now bring him in. I'd love to see. What was your favorite subject you know. Communications interesting stopped buying it man. And that's fine. Have you ever heard anyone say communicated you know talking was my favorite to communicate communication. Your oh communication with every athletes is the easiest one. That wasn't yours. no no. i was business sociology. Your business miles communications related to me. Calendar cat kitty. Cats coming to miami with lamb. You've never been before. I've never been stomping grounds yup stomping grounds back when he use to look like a. Guido is like miami days. Experience recognize pauly d. here. Here's a ferrari some thin ass eyebrows. Look like the same person wouldn't be friends with them back like the biggest tool. That was the thing that was the thing that was the jersey shore it does. He look like ronnie from jersey like blonde cousin. He looks like the situation security. He was jacked and weird eyebrows. Security going yeah. He was big though. Same hi steve is case stevie as a kid who if anyone should have mental illness as well as talking about we're chilling the cabin over coffee. If anyone should have a mental illness should be stevie. Yeah shady pants do i. Owe shady pants had straight up cancer at seventeen seventeen year. Old with can't for that got ran over broke. Both his legs ran over by car in wheelchair. wheelchair forrest. Gump stop wheelchair lieutenant. Dan lieutenant dan legs your new legs and then fucking cancer at seventeen. His mom would just drop them off or chewing. Drop them off at all chemo and then he was a seventy year. Old in the grownups. Hostile nuts childhood. It's such a shame. He does look like a jersey. Shore cast member to who i kid you could. Just tell by the keychain wallet chain while ajay hill yes fargo shorts. Hank these tv so gets dropped off for chemotherapy. Chemotherapies there with all people who basically dying like. Everyone has cancer chemo yuppie the for eight hours a day his parents would be like dude where the or the doctor where the fuck your parents may. So he's there by himself at seventeen facing cancer then to get the home. Do we make fun of them. But the reason the homework dat do is he'd watch simpsons on an ipad because like she'll talk these old people's what simpson's all the time i was like. How are you normal now. Stevie normal says. I don't know i think when you go to shit like that you just fine piece because you like or not or not or you find yourself in a water tower to prison to in prison. So this loyal steve's wife focus tv when my house was broken into with people with guns. Well i had to leave to go on tour australia. Stevie does never my girl before tiger was four months old stevie came over and while we mentioned australia for two weeks slept on my couch every night. I didn't ask them to do that really. Yep yep ready bratty. Come on back. Y'all come on back. Come and get on. Blu is waiting for you in this crazy. My no my girl would show. Hey how's it going john Shoot yeah he is a pretty peaceful guy. You don't really see him. Get like fucking dr ever. He's very chill. Yeah yeah i. I mean it's just people serve people that go through shit. Once they find that piece. I go to prison. And he's like man. I got into no shit. Oh yeah he can always tell me he didn't do shit. I guess you could probably tell by the way they talk. If you've been through it you know like what's he in for smuggling drugs. I notice like hanging around people been prison day. The last thing they want to talk about is prison they never have like. No mouth will talk about that because they libraries so much wasted all my life away. Actually yes dad. I mean. he'll talk about it with me. It's just i mean. I think it's just for us like it's something to talk about. He just he's like. Yeah of course. This is where. I was at exactly what he expresses. You know what. I mean. I think was stevie you know talk about it. He'll talk about it but he's not. I'll tell you what steve going to prison doesn't sound that bad. Pick pay station this. Yeah what does he say you're saying. How terrible for me at the federal prison as my home either a day. He's like if you could just have girls in there like i would have stayed. He's like no powers. You can't talk to any girls. Nothing's they just with the boys but it's good friends. I eat together. Hang out talk sleep. Wake up was at miami pick Pre prison yes pretty. President met like twenty one. I wonder if he knows. The jersey shore cast now a picture of him the situation. I think he ran into club but like i don't know where he looks just like to fuck. He looks so ridiculous. Etl gtl run new jersey fan. Yeah detail to this day taylor taylor. He looks so much better now. Faced lewke wants to go tanning for miami. Actually we should any every now and then if he's going somewhere where it's going to be hot. He wants to pretend he doesn't burn when he gets there again. That's something like dvd's grew on the road. I mean girls right. Jesus christ st blue eyes. You put some respect. I look like shit do formless. Get away shred. I see them in a mirror. Sometimes just call me as a british grown his hair like yours house which do with your hair man. Now have all the products. He has grown it. Yeah many use them. Cornrows be dope. Would you do this weekend chin. Oh i was going to see me real quick. What would you say you did this weekend. Show e bike riding in e bike. Ride all he by love now to easy though i know. So we put on zero pedal assists and then just one. It's like really hard. We'll put on some pedals mostly so far. Do you guys go. I wanna went on a forty five minute ride down a trail trail. What was this should we wrote in utah. That was an e bike. No hell no. I wasn't e- by buzz. Mice wasilla e-bikes easier to control or something. Hey go back. Go back to the first picture. I said no pitcher by the way how your leave me out of it. Blazing through spoken with my big row. J. is too big road. Reason focus tv looking like brennan he labeled you as in the squad. Scott jalen swaggie. That's malik jacket. By the way that's all you can fit in. Because means they are the same size. Ooh trees two hundred forty says jason demons on his just a bad dream or something like that year. What they call that dream is demons on your chest. Paralyze we go to st playing guitar. Fucker can can. Has he played live. Plays everything the morning This the looking that toll is great jamming on jammed together. We haven't because you can believe that could talk to. Yeah i don't know. I don't know why we never like officially maybe once charleston jam out man when he sees you playing guitar with ten in the studio invites me. I'm sorry i'll show cookie steve day now get a team adjusted into almost like a fighter and the kids urban legend. He's an urban legend reading where we're because the him balladur podcast together and people always talk shit to not talk shit to him but i liked to mainly his looks. They make fun of pretty much like the way you just did say like the solar city like franklin the turtle franklin the turtle on i said frankly i if we get him on the phone. John tins franklin the turtle captured on his idea on the phone. Always asked where the money you say. Answer the calls because it might be. The chair has shag. Motivation has to better stop. I love his captioned. Brian leary's is nothing but a word. What's up kids is taking a little break from the squad because ufc two sixty. Is this fricken. Saturday steep a francis the rematch. We've all been waiting for for the heavyweight championship. You're gotta watch the fights and make money with draftking sportsbook official sports betting partner the ufc. It's putting you in the center of the action with a special odds boost for all the final kid listeners. So here's a parley. I personally pig. Just you guys can make bank bro. Percent luquet sean. O'malley and francis gano if they all win their fight. You make money alright just head to the app now find brennan jobs. Picks under the odds boost tab. You'll see it there. My name's there doesn't matter if you're new or existing customer bet on it. Get your boosted odds and ride along with your thick boy here. Plus don't forget the be tons of college basketball march madness of course so all new users download the top rated draftking sportsbook. Now use the promo code fighter when he signed up. Bet on my parlay of fighters to win saturday night for uc to sixty again to get the parlay to boost the odds. Bet on vince. Vincit this day. Lucas sean. o'malley in france and ghana of all three win. You make bank all right. That's this saturday. Uc to sixty take advantage of my special odds parlay busse. That's promo code fighter Sportsbook must be twenty one and older new jersey. Pennsylvania indiana michigan and virginia only restrictions apply see draftkings dot com for full details gambling. Problem call one eight hundred gambler or an indiana one. Eight hundred nine with it or in virginia. Eight eight five three to thirty five hundred again. That's drafting sportsbook. Promo code fighter back on my parlay. Luke o'malley francis gano. You're welcome. that's why biden. Yes oh shit. Trump would get if you would have done this. Trump's missed a step like stumbled comes up. Ozzy beats it up the stairs and it was like news all over now with biden off. Sepia ring funding but cnn eight run no stories on this. They have you seen this. I haven't seen such rattle old man. He's eighty one right he is i think. Seventy eight but like close to eighty two. He was on his way up air force one and you couldn't get up the first time the second time or third time. He finally got up trying to procrastinate. Home god did you see what putin said roast. What does he call putin a killer. Who do do out. That's the leader of the free world. Who fell. Where's oprah overfill on buster. Is the keys all. Yeah all americans see on the other side raises you know. He called putin killer. Poon said takes no one and then putin goes. Hey man if you gonna have a debate. We can have a discussion because you know he can't really speak. Wanna have open dialog. Let's do it bubba de silence on other america's like we don't want him talking and let let record show he's the only president hasn't had a press conference not not getting the first one hundred one hundred days. They struggle speaking to a problem. So the leader of the free world. We're gonna go to my communication class. So does shawn watson. Has thirteen lawsuits. Alleging sexual misconduct. After more. women came fleet massage therapist. Yes they're all monitoring happy ending. I like it when you would call them. This is what the report report is. He come to the house and then they would set the table. Come out naked. And they put on some pants or seemed. Like i get hot but i know a lot of people that get massages naked. That's just what they do. You know with sound like keep flipping over and it's like dayquil dealer. Also your the starting quarterback for the houston. Texans why are you harassing these massage therapist. Like dude you could just send out a dm. Like lonely wants netflix. And chill you get ted of the baddest bitches in houston texas. Come through you do all of this with massage. it's about massage majority. There's some other ones that come on now. I think fewer massage therapist and then the other women were. i don't think they had any affiliation with like going to his house. And being employed do these women and those ten others they're talking to so there's so that'd be twenty two. Here's my thing. Let's say half of them are just making shit up. You still had a laugh in. Let's say ninety percent are making it up. You still got a few cases on your hand. It's just inching right. Because he's holding out with the houston texans and he's like fine. I'm not gonna play. And then we're the conspiracy comes from. Is this lawyer lives in the same neighborhood as the owner so the lord came out. I know people. we're speculating. Like the the houston texans shitting on the shawn watson. Because i know i've never met the owner. I wouldn't know what he looked. Like if i saw him and he's base saying we're both rich so we live in this specific neighborhood in houston. But i don't know the fucking guy we're just both rich white guys and we live in the same neighborhood any fasten and the promise. This lawyer is not like a hype. East he's like a legitimate lawyer. Now i've got a question for you because you was in I was in the league as much as anyone in here was league but yet okay so years. We had a debate. You said he's not gonna like play the two thousand three once. He's not a chance in two thousand twenty one. There's no way but he didn't wanna play for the texas now. He has no choice. What would we see the shawn watson and if you had to guess what else comes out it depends it depends on what we're we're this court goes because they're pressing charges now so they are. Yeah i think so. It's a lawsuit. Oh yeah he was. Six woman claims watson. Grab jenner's tried to force her to perform oral sex. During separate instance. June august last year do not allegations in the six. The pandemic in six lawsuits filed monday. Large echo those have been detailed remainder in litigation by the women alleged that watson exposed himself to them during a massage For those women also claim me touch them with this generals during the incident. Can't custom when i don't get to shawn watson top five quarterback in the league good looking dude a hundred and twenty five million dollars contract. Are you harassing these men in houston. There's so many baddies in houston. What the tweet out. Losing man outta showed up what who do rub maps that it's a site we can go to where it shows you places with happy endings. How do you know that. I'm on the street now. What is this the only massages. You don't fuck fuck happy. Unions only being touched. They get off me. Ooh that's like j. I love music. I love and you know i. I don't know what happened if he's forcing to do stuff like that's a problem dude. Yeah one hundred percent. Thinki- plays i think so you twenty twenty one even with with all that because the promise is like now society show woke the. Nfl would look so bad if they let them play even though he's so talented. But let me let you finish. I gotta comedy. Yeah you're saying he wanted to sit out. Yeah so but you. You fucked up right because the problem now wanted to sit out. So if you're houston. Texans right guy. He's not gonna play. Let's see if he'll really sit out with sit out this year but now his worth ain't shit okay so go to the patriots the patriots pick him up now hate anymore. Now we know you you tell me countless times. Instagram social media. Everything is not correct. Okay cool underneath. This all is the law is all right. So the lowest twenty two women are okay okay. The lawyer and everyone is represented by that lawyer. This lawyer in pass has pass allegations that he had a billboard like in the past. Get this sean out of houston so you already hates. Doesn't like him he doesn't that matter. Here's the problem. Not only does not like him but now here's a reason to get them out of houston and now. Here's the problem if terrible lawyer by good luck with that you're not legit bulldog lawyer. He's legitimacy get. It'd be like johnny johnny cochran taking on these women like oh fuck you screw but why now why. Why now called either. I'm not big conspiracy guy. But i don't know i don't know is it. Because he's because he's sitting out and he's being difficult and people few sort of like what the fuck new women are like really dude you wanna sit out and you just sign a hundred million dollar contract all right and then they come like some pissed. These women s insane it is. I don't think the lawyers colwyn k. Do you know does shawn problems. I don't think twenty two is gonna be some yes. i mean. that's a lot and this lawyer is like making a point get. He's not trying to get him out of houston he's basically trying to ruin. Sean one hundred meal he he has a lawyer didn't like him at all. He been wanting to get the shot now. China's put like. I'm not playing at all. Then he comes out and then. There's a report that the owner of houston technology. And i heard the lawyer said but you'll see think they know each other on the. Hey you know. He says he doesn't know he's look it up. I have no interaction guy. He's like if that guy was in the lineup. I can pick him up. He's like i don't know who he is now. I don't know who knows. Yeah i'm with you. It's very very twenty twenty two so let's say eighteen over line just the four. If they're telling the truth you let s four dude even if one out of the twenty two is telling the truth. He's fucked twenty russia and twenty twenty. One do this is different time like you just allegations. Look at my friends. I know there's lawsuits against the dog to shawn watson in twenty twenty one what teams gonna sign like especially with the media like do. They're going to go. Come from his force had team once that negative pr now the patriots. I dunno new. Twenty twenty one. It's fucking tough man. But dan so he he got me. What happened at this is so weird. That's all houston texas superfood money money honey. Give them all that money and he gets money. I'd c. j. thinks he does i well. I think i'm with. You is somewhere in a contract. They're gonna get like he's getting all that money but you can't but he but he he got money back from aaron hernandez and did you kill two people. Give money but feel. Pa will jay was the case. Is that the vick case. So now you had that guarantee you can't go back and can take it back. There's no way you can in the listen the lawyers in the nfl that reps nfl. In the houston. Texans are show fucking smart you know weekend accused of twenty two sexual assault cases and still get full pension. There's no way fuck way. So they took vicks money after he went to jail when he went to ten rightfully so dude rightfully so you kill fucking hundreds of dogs. We can't market you do we can't sell your jerseys. You completely fucked the program over. Why would we continue to pay the same salary. Yeah i agree with like is never going to happen. But let's say chin gets accused of sexual assaults said this is my example. Hypothetically hypothetically he gets accused twenty sexual assaults chins values. Fuck dude he. He ruined the show. I can't continue patron same salary. But we know that that's why we're no the disperses more lenient towards the nfl used to be that. We're in a different time. Yes but people have been fucking for way less year. But i have friends who've been fucked over away less okay so with the lawsuit though that. That's that's the thing it goes to court. Yeah he has been used in. Who knows what evidence they have. We don't know we do know. They have tax of shawn. Watson by case so i made you feel uncomfortable. Have you ever take the therapist that massager sorry. I made you feel uncomfortable. I would you send them dan. We didn't know about that. We have tax after massage. Thurbers left case got too aggressive deadly. That's how he post that. So i i'm trying to. It's all singing. Twenty twenty one even with the contract and others the vic rule but it led to register. I'm not defending if he did these things. I'm not defending nova. Dr shave questions. Yeah he's holding out. Now you do this. This is how the lawyer. I'm pretty sure when he said that he let me get them. You know i mean twins. That's what's scary. Is that wages. Let's get them legit bulldog lawyer. This hype lawyer like it's yelled level lawyer. This guy is worth major case correct. So let's get him. He'd been in trouble video houston texas. There's so so many questions you know what i mean. Yeah how did he get an offset this what happened. I have no fucking offended the sean. I'm defend those women. I have no clue That came out in the full of shit. So who knows and then there's also really bad guys out there. I don't know what happens but didn't he. You just say to yourself. If you this shawn watson what did. He just broke up to that. Thank you have your voice. He's a good looking. Dude he did you see his girlfriend. She's been you don't need bro. Have one of your boys mandy. Sean horny can you any put a story i said. Hey look at that. Oh initiate a turn hukou. Her name is julia gr- she had to turn her comments off. Because everyone mike this girl for last couple of years and now sh- nike. She's a smoke show. She turned comments off because everyone was just rushing over her with negativity. I really have anything to do with them. But again you know do. Cheese is a ten man more than the ten again backs in the league. That's crazy man. It's a shame this crazy. What else you smoke. Show okay Have you seen anything about this. The nc delay apologized recently because a tiktok went viral of i believe she plays on the oregon women's basketball team and she recorded what the girls weight lifting room look like versus the guy's weightlifting room and it started a lot of controversy because on one hand there are people like steph curry called out the nc. Double ncwa saying that it's wrong it's unequal and then there's people like swaggie nikki on coming out saying well you're the jv league like you don't bring in the type of money that boys partners actors and then ncwa came out and said that they apologized for what happened in that. The girls didn't have space in their facility to hold that type of equipment. She made update tiktok saying we have more than enough space. Oh she lied. No no no no so for. Nc them late march madness the biggest tournament in college basketball for women. This is our weight room. All the men's weight room now are we got released versus the men's inside out with a statement saying that it wasn't money it was space. That was a problem. Let me show y'all something else. Here's on practice court right. And then here's weight room and then this extra space upset about this problem that you're part of it. I got a question. Here's where we go on. Because i do me a favor. How many people watch women's march madness last year then shouldn't be. They shouldn't have gym like a dope. Jim hall hold on. Let's call i. It's easy to say. How are they going to have the same dope jim. Let's say you're running. Ncw okay. You're on cwa. No march man slasher due to nineteen viewership. Two thousand also but there was no men right two thousand and nineteen it. Is i think a big issue with this. I saw somebody talk about this on twitter in the nc double a. Rules men and women regardless of how much money they bring in have to have the same unrealistic. Hey so go. So seven point three million. now go to the mets. How many people watch the men's march madness the title game between nineteen six sure. Ten point nine was three seven seven. Said it's not important high to promise to be fair Somebody releases statistic of how much it costs to fund the women's team every single year and it was a few million versus how much they brought in barely. It was a fraction of what they actually bring in whereas the men's was very profitable so you do have a point there. We're talking about south not that this should be equal. This should definitely have a weight room notably fuck. Yeah but if. I'm running a business so if i'm running a business let's say let's say. My business was based off the instagram followers. Cat and chin and can't has ten thousand followers in japan has a million and i'm a business and i'm running ads chins bring in a million dollars a month. Okay catherine ten thousand dollars a month and catcalls. I wanna car chingos. I want a car. I'm probably gonna give chen a better car. Because he's bringing in money so it makes sense to give the better car pose a cat even though she's a woman not a fact that she's a woman he's a man fact that he brings one hundred off now she brings in. Yeah but we make it this this sex thing you know women deserve this and it's like i'm not even saying wnba you're mad. How many people watch how many people watch your game. Now that is is that a is that who's promised that what why do people prefer to watch benz. Nba them women's wmba. 'cause will get i. I hate the the knack that they say women. women's basketball is more skilled. But it's not true but you. That's the narrative they put out there but again men's basketball is entertaining. But but again if i'm a business yes it brings it. How many viewers the women what is the wnba bringing. The biggest games are the final. If you eight thousand nineteen finals but their finals are not fair. Because they're on their findings are the same time that the nba finals. It's no there's there's a later knows a little bit. Donald house after september so seven hundred fifty thousand viewers firearms. Five hundred. seventy thousand. Okay now. good The man's nba to twenty finals. Point million Says fifteen fifty million average was high was fifty so the women's high was what five hundred five hundred seventy thousand men's was fifteen million. What do you. what do you want to do. Advertisers pay whoever was afternoon give man or woman just want eyeballs so after not going there because a women. We don't wanna work with them. They go no. We won't be in front of fifty people. Yeah so it's tough now granted. Ncwa fucked up. Women should have a proper facility. That's all i'm saying. I'm like why can't they like now. At least be the silliest. The men have a lab a joint like when it was at least something. Better have those dumbbells. That's just insult those dumb bill from the liquidity daughter. I'd be fucking furious. Yeah look i'm not talking about like the viewership or anything like that. I'm just saying like a fucking way facility that is least like you know proper and accommodating better see this is what's weird goes from what i've been shown appears swag bags for the men receive are much more substantial than the women's as well again more there's more revenue there's more ads so they have the ability to put up the money for that. Yeah so it's not a man or woman thing it's a money thing i know i know a couple of so basically the ncwa has this budget like okay. Here's our budget for this. And that's how they map it out it. I know a couple of waste app that can give viewers to watch the nba now. Tread lightly bubba. Okay what did you say. I know a couple of ways a lot of people say lord rim and all that but lower through you know what is it what is st is the same as it has to be lord of rim gambler lord around coudl derivative britney brittany. You know you're gonna have more. Fights is going to be entertaining. His no more lay upset that jim in salty. It is dumbbells like now you got this you kind of ladies fucking try a little bringing the same money. But jesus christ man. That's legit there. What they gave them. Yeah that's what i'm saying. I'm like you gotta be a little less obvious. And twelve yoga mats. This won't stay data honestly viewership stats blah blah blah. Saw girl. he's here's the here's the other argument to. It's like you know those universities make so much fucking money with men or women they make so much money. You could give them a better job. Yeah like being cheerleaders we were allowed to use. You know 'c you're doing not say what do you say what just i'd be good. Sorry go ahead. Chillers get equal rights. Do you guys have to drink from a separate fountain. I gave you waited though. Like we would use the same jitters. After they were death. Last name is with what i'm saying like we get their gatorade finished alone like eighty dollars. Colorado the broker cheerleaders would use the gym. But it'd be like a licensed colleges are dope his lifetime Oklahoma state cowboys to texas tech gays. Just watch they made so much money they could definitely apply. Why couldn't they even do that. dude ncwa's the biggest fucking scam in the walmart. Corrupt this marlboro kids overnight. Nothing nothing nothing and take all the money all the money and then they go education fucking the ball games. Do you think athletes should be paid. S tim tebow. And he's playing at the number one selling jersey over lebron james. He made for that zero. They went all the way he was in college. Yes he was famous. You're not much money. Got zero floors jersey. Lord took all had his name. Yeah this thing really well. There's talk about video games. He had his face on video games. You'll get money as much. But now there's a license deal with again some percentage but not because it 'cause they're thing is free call you've got a free education bitchy. Made me major in communications. Yeah as it. I'm using communicating exactly. It's all fucked up affect when oklahoma or how it goes though bowl game. Okay i get like forty million dollars. Schools school it goes back to the so of a team that why. Why do you think college was like frantic about figuring out how to play during cove. 'cause they make so much so much fucking football a football and corrupt and that's why the pac twelve sparked is most because they were big Because they were the only one plane yes over transferring and now they don't have money so they're cutting stanford wrestling even though they have a national champion like they don't have money because these fucking morons with the only conference like that it's business on in the world dam and they have women's basketball and the style and it cleared. Those women should have a better course. That's a businessman. I'm like all right. let's take out. Don't don't don't don't don't you should able to that but the same thing if i'm owner of the nba wmba team. I'm going through taxes. And i don't know men or woman. I'm like what the fox going on here. I don't want to be part of that. No don't get to a locker room. You know those women. Like i don't care all i care about is my bottom dollar. That's how that's what they're thinking and involves a businessman. I say lord the rim tired of watching skillful layups get. Don't do sorry now with you. Okay it is currently spring break season. So i believe last weekend It was mayhem in florida specifically south beach and it was so bad to the point where the mayor of miami had to come out. And say that there's gonna be a curfew upcoming week for south beach. Where this shutdown. Yeah this upcoming week. Starting from saturday for at least seventy two hours. There's going to be an eight pm curfew only my shows because my props non-south but yeah it's on south beach. Fine is just getting to and from this area is going to be tricky after eight pm. Little just about to say i understand but god damn i want to be in the middle. What are they singing. We can't there's a bunch of white people kicking a police car. You see that. Video where the fellas. I'm just spilling spitball ideas here. I don't see a lot of white people because they bought the swag surf lit pretty black. I've never been in my metropolitan area. It's pretty dumb. Latin his green bay spring white people go to miami for spring break and but spring break for black people freed knicks. You ever heard of that is a freak me that you don't know about free. Nick no oh you heard about it to educate off tin now. What is a freaknik type. So we don't want to stay. You guys are staying south beach things about idea so what. We're supposed to wonder if we should get out of there. Me a nightmare in and out of there and everything shut down for two. Linda's we'll be able to do it is primarily. You go out in miami and stay away from that south beach area. You're gonna be fine because it's just south beach. South beach is not big is listening to south beach. Nothing to do exactly so as long as you go out to other parts of miami. You're fine. We'll sell the miami besides south beach south beach by far the biggest. Yes and so you can't won't be an open laka. He's said what does she do open open for. Maybe could open a high school. Says you know. Tell all street in miami open locker and what you say did i want to do co. massive you know but lockers. Thank you thank you my stomach. I wasn't out of you. Know alaka mike. We stay open lock. You go there. Dade county like ooh lock. We might want to get a airbnb outside south beach though too man. I got a job out. Sweet taste makes sense though because no one's there like you can stay here. Yeah sure even before announcing yesterday dow so that you don't wanna be not be able to get out and do too. I mean i can't. I don't know we're gonna figure it out Booked everything already so. I'm sure i'm sure you do. The i need my fucking money back and we could just say and save your money in going the airbnb with us. We'll just get a job airbnb airbnb. Oh that's too bad. I got people. I'm mad at you. You you go up to miami. I wanna know alsaud the same which new beside soulsby staying open. I thought you said cut open lock. Which i don't wanna take part security is i think what is what these fucking parents taught me not to fight him if i was there. Oh rabbi fucked up right. So a father and his child went to the san diego zoo just a day out together as a family and what he decided to do was to take his son. A young child like he's basically. He's like a kid kid like tiger kid. He took his child snuck through the barriers of the elephant exhibit got inside to see an elephant as they were walking in kind of looking around. I haven't seen this one has. Yes they raise Can we guess this game. Go ahead actually done. How either your video. it's all over. it's got i think barstool has it. It's basically what happens. Is an elephant sees them starts charging at them and they get out of there just in time they say the elephant knew it was a kid. So that's why he didn't like what the fuck like why. He drops his kate as he's trying to run through a little barrier. Making fun of is a twenty five year. Old father during this what What's his name guy James said the elephant was not harmed released. A andrew james the spokesman okay can they release his info or no allocators even younger than i thought it was to fuck. Play stupid games when stupid prices jumping. We're watching this weekend but like wide but like bad accidents and what was the country when they do. Send us your elephants dump on you to death. You know we're watching that year thailand. There's someplace where. I stopped like it. Used to be like an execution execution will look elephant. Yes so do you understand you jumping. Evola pinch cages converse for a selfie. I fucking black guy. It was shows biker. Why because the name was james. His name's not james. The zoo guy's name names wanted us in the picture. Look like okay. let's see. I think i heard him say. Open locker minds jose exactly. Oh let's see what it looks like jose. Okay there what he looks like. You got rescue magazine guy. I was gonna say mexico's definitely mexican. Brian no black people jumping into. But we don't we don't care about that. We don't know used to be fair. Use your white person do a black people a lot of asians fall off cliffs. Take himself. he's yes. That is news. Like the selfie stick to phoenix. The you know they just fall off the dial. We will die for asia's on here. Dying awful mount issue that's usually dies but fees. Yeah anything like photo related asian. I feel like then. Usually animals is why Why people love. I love animals. Don't like birds without a kid. Would you sneak into an exhibit to them never great squeezes strong but whatever. So what knows your. Oh the wrestler. Yeah you're right here tag me. Some pill void flu dover can any other two hundred by powder this flip a friend. Who's to seventy six. No when you started the but you still doing flips to see what do they do. Not seventy six doing a flip heart but you you want to ask you Did wrestlers sue bath leading. Soubra athletic wrestlers were like the easiest to teach when it came to back clearly. It's yeah arden. Whatever life do backflips. You can do it. You can teach in a heartbeat. Who i'd love that utah. Ben i would do state and whatnot. I can do it too. You know you do it. And i'm like man what you doing literally teach anyone to do. We have older. I don't wanna get hurt my net. You'll have to but it's literally the easiest thing you said once you see. Your feet is automatic paranoid. You're figure out of baffling. Do you really want to learn. That'd be sick. I'll it's easy ya don't you like help them like do like that. Just give him a bumper that we could do that guy on stage on stage. I don't want to fall. You won't respond to you. Sit you've got to commit you big boy boy. Bollocking told does great british later that we have all year like stage for time guys silo bird. He's looking get you over. There is go over your said something somebody get the reading. Does he have thirty off. Quick see big. Roll off to st louis off. His sport is us trying to drag. It doesn't ooh ooh. Cbs or la actually sound. Funny guys seen mike bibby. He's shredded me. That's very suddenly. He's always been destroyed. Yeah did you know about it. Yeah that's insane. Did you see the video him. Chuck and mike bibby choose during the game the way it was funny. That's why that's why she comes. She said hey. Dwayne i bet you shut shoe now. Bag different was a baller to. He's zona is kid him in miles simon right boy. Dot is that his son to the next one. I think he's just somebody shoots he. Has he does logo. Expert helix fake boys jack. It was a shame to him. Chris webber cannot get over. Met him him and gary payton at a garryowen show. I'm gary pain in a boxing match. He's he's so nice. Yeah he's so funny so not such a beast. Yes the glove glove jordan. Say oh you say. I let me start laughing when he was like. If i had just gordon mike the first three games. I guarantee you been a different. He's the funniest joke glove nike's their lack all and is the white glove is logan. Payton's glove nike shoe. So it's like they're right there. The second one is black ones appear pippen. Have shoes issues was move. Here's pretty no. I didn't never well one really fucked. I wanted these by having a money. Wells barnett j. so people. The fucking iverson's jordan's obviously kobe kipps chantal berries. The jason kidd fucking jason kidd's unified with the star buried it this you servers ones. Those were big. Those are those were he had. Some weird one gets runs. There's the shattuck's shacks segment showed me. Good money off those shoes. Those franchise had a collab- with a deed is think is a big deal. Kobe's koby Data's and then the shoe now like in this generation of the was the hoop would indicate these. Pg's put the katie has dope shoes. Yeah he is really good actually play the pill via this is terrible news but a twenty two year old surfer. A top. El salvador surfer was struck by lightning and died in the water. That's how crazy is that mean so many questions so he gets judgy. She's girl getting struck by lightning. Donald training she died in the water. She died from the life. They couldn't reviver after you after the strikes on where we go with that such wasn't crazy. No there's plenty more present piece. Lamar odom get serious now. He actually knocked out a partner in sparring. I'm not mad at you saw this. I'm the i'm not mad. His fans tag mad at this jazz music because the trainer is a guy trains kevin. He'd like to play. Jazz is that is that the terror punching with the way he. I don't know what he's like. Duck in and out stare looked fake to so terrible. He's probably just let nick carter. No eight or his timing was like a little bit battered as terrible douglas. It does look weird. Like dance hispanics. Because he's so tall tall tomorrow. Six eleven six eleven there. Yeah super bowl so yeah. I don't know his career. God clippers clippers lakers. He wanted. How lakers to kobe. Got him to super bowl kobe. He's bad ass on the two thousand eleven man of the year year. Kim piece sixteen. What was the clippers jersey man. You did the clippers used oji. Elton brand it was up there to bring he was a small fort. A handle like a fucking small game. It's a shame what happened now He's fighting here and save you. Girl gastric bypass depressing. No this is funny. I saw this on barcelo. Oh she thought this could blue spayed. Fuck the placement terrorized. Why would why is it up there on the cliff. She grabbed it. she's going down. Yeah it was lifts to some more stuff. I saw this school two years old. Cue to fries pizza fries the fastest pizza the slowdown fries. Ego pizza front. I can't believe it too. Euro could do something like that. Look the door for the best going. Yeah one guy says yo ex game mo killed it that was dope chanting thinking for that one. You know those rumors. Once the parks in anaheim disneyland. All those places wants to open up your together. There's a report that you can scream anymore because yet but apparently those are fall sports. Oh yeah scream anyway. Yeah you're going to stop people who was screaming. We saw pitchy. Your mouth is open and when they opened up you can only be a california resident. You can't be from out of town yeah me. Less crowded wailers crowded out of go to check this dude out. This guy look at his training. He's about the fighter. That's the heavyweight light heavyweight. Say who's about to fight I can't think michael hunter. I'm trying to think that famous there's a guy loma cheng-kuo that already built you a restaurant and does this be sports leader aviv. Twenty one twenty one dollars all knockouts. Knockout twenty one. I don't know what his record is. Mistake walnuts russian right. he's a beast as a deputy. Not that one. I think that's pretty much current events crafts. Good man all right he goes. You didn't go work out after this honey bun pale. Sticky bump elliott sweet sticky buns say. I'm looking slimmer. I appreciate it. Because i am working my ass. I keep looking at my fucking before picture now on the playoffs play dog. I tried to repeat immolate imitate any i look over. And he's just staring at the. Keep you motivated. I think about all the time. And i can't wait to show people that good huge right getting lower though. I'm crazy but look good now to stay away from the sticky buns anymore hiccups. I had one. You gotta keep on other cookie. It's okay back to back days to saints cookie me while i'm eating great the rest of the time you shemale dave chicken tenders off my plate any order and then you did have biscuits and gravy me. There's more fucking eat. Doritos late at night had seven doritos. That's your whole cookie. Did you notice all crazy. I love are. You're on the road. You'll be so strict diet. They all cheat. You cheated this l. first couple of times. It was great the whole art because we didn't have well. We didn't go to whole foods we went to. There's what's hopefully we're tired though we have to get going we'll do better. Miami hopes speaking miami will be miami this weekend. The march twenty fifth or twenty seven thursday friday. Saturday miami improv. Game show motherfucking tickets now. Back in florida april fifteenth seventeenth naples florida. Never been there where it's apple. You'll see me there. And then just doubts austin texas april twenty second through twenty fourth at the vulcan. Gas theater is awesome. Texas right off six street there. I'm in austin. Texas baby squads their f k z dot com for tickets miami. See this weekend route kids policy on every body personally with the kids. Kate footsie on the dance video fact. Km put his opponent. If you're looking for the new squad boy is malik. Be chef boy putting birth shift. Common hot malik with occur day so motivated. Uk stop going hard next episode. Already come on. Patient army came and we still with the fighter and t k put a seat on the brennan malik. Everybody going wake up early in the morning. Playing getting the fighter he rolling with the kids s. Zee on dance. I don't cheapest case do.

francis gano richard ramirez charles manson shawn watson cleveland spokane stevie miami Steep bay francis luke gay sean luc shomali francine donal trevor wallis billy mountain indiana spokane comedy club houston Kortelainen tex watson park Burda chair tate
#264:  Summer 2019 Movie Talk

The Double Dropkick Show

33:11 min | 2 years ago

#264: Summer 2019 Movie Talk

"Yellow russell with championship wrestling with a big week. Join us right now. Hey everybody welcome to the double. Drop kick show uh-huh. He's mollica mark whitman. This is the wrestling podcast we talk about the wrestling with the rest of you need to watch now and stuff today. <hes> this episodes coming out toward the end of summer school is starting summer. Movie season is kinda rapid down but we want to talk about some movies and by the time this episode comes out. We may have already seen some of these movies but we just want to talk about. We actually did an episode one time. I think the summer movie with but i want to talk about some of the movies from this summer. What have you seen what have i seen gene and kind of compare some notes and talk about what we're looking forward to <hes> in the fall and so we we've heard from a lot of our fans a lot of our listeners they like these episodes where we're not necessarily talking about wrestling to talk about other matter of fact we got so people that only listen to wrestling and so people that don't listen to any of the wrestling <hes> so yeah you came in today you tell me you just saw once upon a time in hollywood <hes> <hes>. What do you think how how was it. That's a it's a it's hard to. I don't want to spoil it for you. You know how feel okay so uh. I guess i'll talk about it and you know because this episode now if you're a patron spoiler alert if you're not a patron this episodes coming out probably two or three weeks after the movie's release so she wanted to see if you've seen it by now did see where our patron jason blackburn <hes> solid and then went win and checked out the book about the manson murders helter skelter. No it was a different one. Maybe it's been called the manson murders good food. I read. I've read helter skelter. I read it last year. Saw the movie. I saw the movie to actually watch the movie. After <hes> after i read the book <hes> thoughts on this movie though quinn can't tarantino's take it was <hes> it was an interesting movie it was it's like all the stuff that most people cut out of the movie but that was the movie like brad pitt driving around listening to music ah yeah just driving in the car and it would you know and it was and <hes> it's the least tarantino of all of tarantino's really that not that there's not good dialogue ed right because there's some real good snappy dialogue <hes> but it's not they dialogue heavy film okay so many of his other movies are which where it's all about two people sitting there having a conversation yeah it is like an opportunity for dicaprio to to act in different sink they would show scenes from what he would be filming and he would be acting the scene out. Why is this kind of a weird structure for the movie and we kind of go into the scene and you get wrapped up in the scene and then it would come out. It's all right cut out and it would be would flood is lines ends and then they would show the fallout from just like these minor flubs where they would have started like one time not like he couldn't. He delayed production for three hours. All man. I'm sorry i screwed that and then they would do the scene again and he would nailed it but the self loathing that he would have when he was alone about ruining a scene. Oh oh really wow you're not getting it right was good. The brad pitt stuff was he's awesome and brad pitt's awesome in this movie. There's a great scene <hes> and it was in the trailer so so it's not stolen anything there again. If you wanted to see that you've probably seen it where he's talking to bruce lee on the set of the green hornet. I'm bruce lee. Does this thing where he says if i if we got in a fight in q. legit i will go to jail because my hands are registered as lethal weapons and brad pitt goes if anybody it gets in a fight and kill somebody they'll go to jail. It's manslaughter so there's stuff like the you know and brad. Pitt's character fights brutally yeah because you have to establish the he's the he's a tough guy so he fights brutally and he handles pretty well how much of the because i didn't know until i saw one of the final trailers that the manson steph was even in any of the we'll see originally it was it was when it first was housed it was tarantino's making a film about the manson murders bert okay <hes> but in actuality it all lead up to the manson murders the movie was building up to the manson murders because has decaf row plays the the guy who is <hes> had been save chuck connors on the rifleman he had been that character. You're in a in a fictitious western t._v. Show but he had reached that other stage of his career like the hulk hogan stage where he played the baby face for some and the show was over so now they're bringing him into guest stars the bad guy on all these western t._v. Show yeah so that the good guy could beat him. Yeah <hes> and it would help establish list the new good guys. It was interesting that there was tarantino. All of us became fans of his between the ages of eighteen and twenty five so he may he finally now that we're all reaching that forty five to fifty age. He made a movie about guys who are going through that midlife crisis <hes> type stuff yeah but but brad pitt places stunt double who is nile really not a stunt double as much as he is just a personal assistant. Yes <hes> caprio can't drive because he's got a bunch of you is so brad pitt drives them around and he just kinda takes pieces guy he's gal friday yeah he takes care of all of this stuff uh but they live on cielo drive next door to <hes> to share take roman polanski and and you've seen inglorious bastards yeah so you know that it it was a revenge fantasy film yeah that <hes> it took a real story went another direction and the direction spoiler alert spoiler. There's this is the moment that you don't want to know about. If you really want to enjoy this family. Yeah sure you wanna tell you they don't go to share and tate and roman polanski's lansky sows they wind up going to cape raves house and brad pitt's layer and we've established brad pitt is a tough guy and text walks in the door. Tex watson walks in the door and pulls his gun out and says. I'm the devil and i'm here to do. The devil's business which is apps is what he said yeah <hes> in in the tate murders and <hes> brad pitt laughs at him and he looks at his pit bull on the couch it gives them the iggy and the pit bull attacks tex watson brad pitt speaks to slop out of him. <hes> they torch one the leonardo had used the flame thrower one of his movies and they had it left torched <hes> which one was one of the two girls i can't and even remember which one it was not they torched her and then <hes> the dog attacked or just nodded the pieces and then they torture with the flame thrower it was it was always it was it was artistically violet. It was just this violent violent to these people who had who had in real life committed this atrocity if you've ever read that all right and seen seen some of the details of what they did to to not just them but to the lobby on because his way <hes> a few days later it was awful awful awful stuff they did to the people in that house and it was the end of that peaceful eleven generation that ended that summer love ended did with those murders and <hes> and you know they just did a. Let's turn the tables on these guys. They went into the wrong house else and so the manson murders never happened plaza. He never developed. He never got the fame and and whatever and then <hes> j._c. Bring who was in the tate house who also got murdered came out and saw the man. I can't believe he talked to leonardo. Di caprio what he's like man. We love your show. It's awesome that you it's awesome that you live next door to us. Did y'all have something happen like what happened the other day and they start talking about it and then share and take gets on the thing and says hey do you wanna come up have drinks with us so he goes up and it's <hes> relaunches his career <hes> so like there's this happy ending but you know that happens all the characters guarantee. That's a it's a really kind of a cool moment. When sharon tate comes over the yeah the thing thank because she was such a she was beautiful and she really was a rising star in hollywood probably would have been a big star <hes> and just the way her life got snuffed out because she was pregnant. They stronger up. It's it's brutal. I won't sales but if you've never read helter skelter all through you wanna know more about it. It is evil is here t- <hes> the <hes> yeah you know. I like stuff like that. Man different way in any kind of get to it was almost comedic. Watch these people just destroyed. I mean they spent fifteen minutes destroy in these people who had done this horrible thing and desecrating the memory <music> of of people that don't deserve to be remembered through by history right susan atkins. That's the girl they burn with the gotcha <hes> listen and then you saw lion king yeah. I very rarely along all sorts. I am the king of segue style. I had thank you for picking up the slack so we were down some friends. <hes> a couple of weeks weeks ago <hes> they have five kids. We got i got three kids and we went and sea lion king and <hes>. I'm looking forward to the day you know. Couple of kids fell asleep <hes>. I don't know i had seen some reviews. I'd actually seen an article that said hey don't go see any of the disney live action movies because you are basically paying being them to be lazy and it didn't say hey what the movie wouldn't good it. You said it because the person had not seen it <hes> there's like they've already made this movie. This is not a live. There's no they've already made it better verse right. John fabric said there's one live shot right in this movie. He snuck it in there. <hes> i would say most of the criticisms that i'd read about this movie in some of that red afterward out agree with i was the entertained is not something i would pay see again. I watched the cartoon lion king who knows how many times right to me is something people should go see yes. It's it's it's cool but it doesn't recapture your childhood and i certainly don't think kids at least the kids i saw all this movie with. They're not going to look back on it the same way we look back on the i. I don't think it's going to recapture my childhood anyway. I wouldn't a child when the first lady came how that's probably right. We'd probably teens yeah yeah. We were probably out of high school by that point or ah close to it <hes> i. I have an affection for because ethan like rhino. We watched it right the toy story we watch both of those right on yeah it had it's had has its moments. It has lot lot of laughs in it <hes> so yeah hobson shaw that. I guess that we're recording this august. I technically comes out august second but <hes> you know movies release on thursday nights now. That's what i want to see and i have no expectations. I know exactly what i'm gonna yeah. I i can't wait. <hes> is going to be going to be a spot fast and the movie exactly and that's what i want is what i want. I'm not going into that one expecting the godfather. I know what i'm getting. I even watched listen if the rocks in alga seat. I watch rampage. Skyscraper was awesome i. I didn't think it was all i did. I loved it but i knew i wasn't watching the godfather right. The pitch of that movie is as a dwayne johnson the rock and die hard except the hotels all fire and he's only got one leg. Go tell me that you don't wanna see that move pretty pretty brilliant and i love jason state. Oh yeah yeah sal his house and so no. I don't think we saw any celebrities. I did see some some of the milwaukee bucks. Were there okay. The who's honest or something like that yes he was there but i didn't see him but there are two brothers who play in the n._b._a. The lopez his brother rick and robin lopez they were there and i did see one of the <hes> he was walking right in front of what were they doing. They're just hanging around at disney disneyland awesome a lot. I saw johnny gargano candice laureate up a saw prince albert universal to wonder if <hes> like jason tatum was inside. I think that was with any of that guy. His reputation precedes him. I'm trying to think what other movies are <hes>. There's not a lot that came out this summer that i was super excited. Yeah no <hes> i just saw <hes> <hes> the the <hes> trailer for irishman looks fantastic. Have you seen the trailer for maverick. Have it looks pretty good looks. I'm put that on my calendar yeah. I'm telling you if we're being honest. If i'm being honest this is just a waiting game till star. Wars is a waiting game for a lot of stuff. They just cleared up the <hes> the mad max lawsuits. I didn't know with george miller and warner brothers and all that i think it was warner brothers. They have been some lawsuits over who owned what properties and they said there i think now moving forward with with some fury road sequels which if you've never seen fury road as i could make it through are you kidding me could make that movie is incredibly turned. It off didn't like really yeah. Just i don't know if it was the day i'll try listen because i appreciate shea european so much. That's probably movie. I'll try to watch. I mean if you don't like it. You don't walk it but i don't understand that has also movie you. You probably didn't like sneakers. You might be right. I remember seeing sneakers and thinking okay move but i don't remember anything. She didn't watch it. A hundred times got got no. I did not <hes> star wars. What is it rise of skywalker something like that. You think anikin is gonna show. You think that's the skywalker that's going to rise. I don't know about that the knights of rendering who i don't even the who they are i think he's going to be i'm hearing i mean so far. The buzz has been positive well. That's good you. They needed it but i'm gonna tell you. I think we have come to a point where there thirties no middle ground love love it or hate. It and i just decided yeah. I mean i am not going to hate the star wars i am not getting people hated the last yet i i am not gonna hate. Hey the last jedi. There were things i didn't care. It wasn't my favorite of the movies you know right and there were some stuff that i didn't lie but i didn't understand all the hateful. I am not gonna hate eight dollar melissa. I hated superman. Retires wise man got me to understand the appreciation. I should've had for that movie now. I didn't see dark phoenix. I didn't think i sure will when it comes out on d._v._d. So <hes> in gamers released the week week. Record in this game was released on digital. I bought it down. Why is it that lasts forty five minutes as a good it manager that battle that wouldn't i the part i forgot his hulk laying on the ground and the shadow of the sheep yeah comes. I skip the middle our. I wonder if i our skip the middle our wise the last forty five minutes. I get the <hes> i'm looking for. There was the announcement used. I think he might tag me on twitter and i was working that day but <hes> the two new halloween move how wing kills halloween and coming out in twenty and twenty twenty one yeah that looking forward to that. It's nice to know like somebody evidently they had written this entire story anyway what i had heard that kind of the whole story been written alrighty <hes> they just did the first film to see if it works right and then it made it made money so <hes> marvel vol- at a comic con released <hes> there are lots of their slater of movies were getting authority four gardens galaxy three <hes> the next <hes> dodger strays they announced. There's some new movies coming out <hes> x. Men is is is going to be in there somewhere. Fantastic four probably going to be in there somewhere but also man marvel's really branching off from that first the first phase or whatever phase they just ended with disney plus which is a sign me up the day it comes yeah yeah. I'll be getting there <hes> definitely beginning disney so if you enjoyed all those marvel movies a lot of those really secondary characters uh-huh they're going to flesh a lot of that out which is going to be <hes> i think really really good and have have we ever. This is where we're at and entertainment. What we could get is those netflix marvel characters now rolled into movies piece and we've got the ones that were in the movies now rolled into series and we're we're just in a completely different age of entertainment area you. I really hope that they make another season to the punisher and daredevil yeah. I'd like to see that but i don't know john barren tho if even if whatever whatever they do with the punisher please keep john barren tho- as the i don't know that i ever i think i watched the first episode i gotta go back. I mean you gave it rave. Everybody gave it rave reviews. Side need to go back and <hes> i need to go back and watch <hes> watch that that first i seasons incredible second seasons. Good was not as good as the first sees. Are we <hes>. It seems to me i used to be it's all about multiple streams of income and disney that you got deb debbie debbie multiple streams of income disney same thing man. They've they've done so well with movies but people just aren't these he's is going to get you. Hey you wanna travel somewhere. We got you covered. Hey you wanna go to the movie these boom we got. I got a book at home yeah of adventures by disney. Yeah you can go anywhere in the world. I've got and they they do it all for you there. You're traveling. Yeah you show all you have to do is get on a plane. Get there. Yeah that's on yeah but once like when you go to paris everything they put you on a bus. They've already got the hotel they take you to the hotel. They wake you up in the morning and take you to the eiffel tower then they take you to a restaurant for lines you you don't have to do anything you just pay for the euro disney you well. It's <hes> disneyland paris. You can add that if you want to. They do trips to <hes> <hes> because we're looking at a couple of them out in the but what makes this disney trip. If it's adventure you by disney nothing it's not a elstein disney travel agent. Oh yeah i'm in the you just pay them and they they land they have they. They have the tenor areas already laid out where your you can go to alaska. I'll go to <hes> the grand can't see i would won't delight lease. Give me some mouse years or something they do like <hes> one of them like they were making mickey waffles or something i mean you know little uh hints of disney thrown in there but it's not a you're not going to a park. You're going on vacation. Hey if you're a trip to new york trip to boston if you you are listening to this episode hey if you like disney go back a few episodes. Mark talks about his <hes> trip to disneyland in california very much a must listen to very informative. <hes> probably late october early november beginning my definitive top ten ranking of my favorite disney attractions yeah <hes> i'm not there yet you know. We may add a day. We may figure out how to add a park. I don't know which one i tried to do universal studios but at this point it'd be easier to add a disney park ribs. We're staying on disney probably goes to park the car and leave it. That's my goal. You don't think you have to do it is doable <hes> but it's not always the most proficient officiant way of doing man i if the buses are running good is not bad like when we were at last time the buses says we're not running we stay. We waited for like an hour for a bus one day and then once we got on the bus there was traffic and then aren't they developing these gondolas but ain't gonna be where you're staying really. You're staying where pop century you're going to be. Where you're i'm just telling you. They may be. I don't i don't i think they might be going to art animation but i'm sure you're staying. Stay in value resort. Yes those gondolas ain't running through the middle of pop century. Okay okay well. No i mean it's just they're not running through the middle of the contemporary either it's not there's just like two or three hotels that they're going. It'd be going pa- how gotcha okay all right but like some of them the other like you know polynesian and contemporary of the monorail run through them so they don't need the gablers the but they are being put in for the higher end so we talked about movies. We're looking forward to trip for looking forward to. I couldn't tell you is is seth. Rollins wrestling brought listener summer slam. I am female. I think by the time we record again they will have had that. I am looking forward to <hes>. I'm so uninterested in w._w._e. Putting the same show on. I'm very i'm very much looking matter of fact by five five weeks of wins august eighteenth and had i known about all out which is labor day weekend. I would have had a known about that six months ago i i would've figured something out to be gone and go to that and go to star cast three and go to to all out and be gone that sunday which probably man no. It's not doable at all but but i definitely would have done that just looks like a great show. They've created this bob five but here's the thing man how how many of those things is you mom gonna pay for you to go to every year and and and realistically <hes> you know taking the the mom joke out of the frame right realistically. How many times are you going to pay right to go to that. I know there are people that follow w._w._e. Eero yeah and i'm sure they'll have their fans that do go but man realistically. How many of those big events can you go to a year right especially if you i add like if they do four pay per views a year. There's a star cast it every single one of actually the star cast becomes just like all the other convention once. You've met right chris jericho three times right. Are you really really gonna pay to meet chris jericho again. I looked into his crews hours trying to figure out trying to make that work in but it ain't that ain't no work in the budget right. Can you imagine heath milliken by himself going so load jerry crow crews. How awkward would that be that would it'd be a sight to see. They don't need a designated driver on the boat. You could probably do that. They needed one one on that exxon valdez but <hes> google that kids. There's your history lesson for today. I used to know this this older gentleman back when when that happened he was like an environmentalist and he had a shirt that said exxon changing the change in the face of of wildlife <hes> <hes> environmentally speaking or something. I remember that shirt game having it was a knock on exxon valdez thing oh that's funny man <hes> so right before we go today the month of august. We got something special going for you. <hes> for our patrons patriotic dot com double drop kick for zillow dollar month. You can become a patron and support the show <hes> we're doing some giveaway so now but between between now we're recording this on august first or whenever you're listening to this and august twenty nine two thousand nineteen <hes> if every anybody becomes a patron trinh at any level <hes>. We're going to give you a free month of s._o._s. Custom wrestling network and we're gonna send you double drop kick show <hes> sticker. If you become a patron to one dollar level this includes our current patrons as well. They're going to get all this <hes>. If you're one dollars patron gonna do a drawing for an autograph terry funk funk <hes> picture. If you're five dollar patron. We're gonna do a drawing for the good bosch versus mitsuhiro massawa three this d._v._d. Set and if your ten dollar patron turn above it. We're gonna do a give away. The kabashi signed free by rob shimmer burger. I don't i don't know his name was randy. Savage and randy savage d._v._d.'s that'll be for the ten dollars and up as well and you could add you too can have the great state wrestling memorabilia collection and hey this is you are not going to get you're not going to get into but you can't go to the local high school or armory armory and gets you a cantu. Kabashi outright can't go to the local if you listen if you have not gotten a live terry funk autographed by now. It is not not happening probably because he's not he's not doing well held. His wife just passed away. He cancelled the the his appearance at the upcoming <hes> <music> gathering <hes>. I got material right there. I gotta hang up my harley race. Thing i gotta finish decorating in here guessing things a guy do <hes> but we have come to the point in time. We've given you some really good content. Today we recorded three episodes going to give you a peek behind on the curtain but we're getting to the main event in our patrons in our private facebook group. They're going to get to see the demolition and because as we walk into the k._f._c. buffet today all the workers there that music gonna hit here comes. The axe here comes the smasher asher. We're demolition walking disaster. We're going in. We're gonna kill that buffet. We're gonna try. The new mountain dew were guest chitose aim which is going to be absolutely incredible. I have not managed my expectations for this. They are through the roof so we're getting we're gonna eat the buffet yeah yeah and then we're going to get the sandwich and the dues bring them back here and do or the taste test reviews. Can't we legally go to the campsie and not yet. I have getting the buffy right. I'm not waste maybe we maybe we get the cheetos sandwich and <hes> gets bring some bones back for the kids they. It's evolved the children in our chicanery. That always turns out. Yes yes yes it does so way follows on twitter. We're also instagram marketer on instagram or twitter at the d. h. Heath malkin look in google. He's also view the double dropkick show wherever you're listening to this. Maybe you found this on youtube. Hey we're on i._t. Spotify blah blah blah. All of that double drop kick. Dot com is the homebase for all of that so make sure you go there. You're just waiting to wrap. Its thing i'm just a this is what i love doing. I love teasing and wrap up the ring all all but as always for the drop kick show. I'm he's malecki whitman this week lands. He's so long for now yeah yeah.

disney brad pitt manson brad pitt wrestling tarantino sharon tate twitter mark whitman hollywood John fabric google bruce lee Di caprio jason blackburn Tex watson milwaukee bucks brad susan atkins disneyland
"How to Become the Millennial Millionaire Next Door Through Financial Investing"

Run The Jewelz Show

58:52 min | 3 weeks ago

"How to Become the Millennial Millionaire Next Door Through Financial Investing"

"I we are back back again like we never left. What another special edition. You heard the introduction That's a song called caves birds by toby new wig. We and also ah now from their originals album. He's a a christian a rapper. Also a hip hop artists are out of houston texas. Shot out to town. He's doing some major wounds. You'll be hearing a lot about toby If you're going to one music fest here in atlanta in the fall of but a we cannot be caged as cage birds. If you are an entrepreneur or entrepreneurship spirited You are going to have to fly events in these. Though a shout out to those that will be tuning in for another edition of run. The jews been cast podcast series. I believe we are on episode thirty six. I'm have to change this the title. We've been doing a lot of work. This month of eeking sir entrepreneurs of from all different walks of life from people that are active in the community as influencers all the way down onto others. That are but my ancho influencers like show guest today and so we. We are in store for a very big treat of those that are tuning in watching. The replay of this is episode. Thirty six of the run. The jewish bid cast series on talking about black entrepreneurship in the financial impact. On that you need to have is a black entrepreneur. This is my special guest. Mr andre agassi. Listen can you introduce yourself rights. Everyone this evening. Yeah yeah of course a hello. Everyone aso john. Thanks so much. We show man appreciate this time by some wheel gold topics. I'm proud that got going on and those who don't know me. My name's andre all button. And i am a financial coach in money influence. Oh so what. That is based on my fitness coach. But for your money now like kylie jenner buffet money instead. So that's what i do. Enjoy like paseo to has been entreprenuer. Help could be combined with the finances redefining waffle themselves absolutely. So y'all y'all wanna tune in and hear from a brother andre. He's gonna be dropping lot jews this evening the financial aspect of being entrepreneur. Because we know that a lot of folks. They may want to get into entrepreneurship for the financial side. But as drag will tell you all you don't have proper financial education or know about finance finances period than you will not be entrepreneur for long in very much so you wanna tune in if you have any questions for a andrei feel free to list them in the comments section and we're going to go ahead and dive in thank you for those. That are tuning in for episode. Thirty six of the run. The jews bid cast podcast series with our very special guest with a financial influenced Based out of atlanta here. But i'll let him tell you a little bit more about his background. We are on the line. With andre albertson andrey tell them a little bit about where you're from where you born. Tell them a little bit about. How did you get into garnett. Okay so yeah. I was born in ways in orlando florida. I went to school at florida. Am university no one of the schools on the highest Seville's as a fun experience. I got my business administration degree there. And i jade in twenty eleven manso. Since then i would have been an insurance mainly and foam tallahassee. I moved back to atlanta for a little bit moved back to atlanta. Got married moved out to taos like a yield. Two and the fun thing about dallas is really hot there. Nobody s- is no public at all in doubt. Yeah i gotta get outta the strange place so ended up moving back down into but what happened in dallas was As kinda sick and tired of insurance the let me try to find something new. Because if you don't know about for insurance they always need. People says a lot of good job security massive. I can just go back and get a job. If i want to write my wife's friends. She was studying for her certified financial. Poignant in saudi kind of down this rabbit hole. As far as what this is as i was being my money and reading about money we knew about businesses so when i loaned that people went to pay you to tell them what to do with the money i blew my mind man so i started doing that. Not a financial show foam up in saint springs. Oklahoma helped plea much menas the wealth full retirees so these people piling by age fifty and i know my passion is helping people keep their wealth is helping people build up the wealth. Instead so from that point i started again. Another mindset out stood on my instagram. hey dot blog a little bit in the past had to put on hold at that. John only luckily enough or unluckily up. My position was game phased now so they got phase out in july but i found a job sooner and i thought man i was made because the job paid more stoke in the financial world more importantly they said it was okay to half my side hustle on the side. Okay with it but now they did not delay due diligence like the day they end up saying. Hey you can't have your side hustle tex watson. Hey if i leave. This is like my first day last day there. I stole a highlight. I took a state blow lucia. Some type of payment wrote so by since then because that's about last year actually a twenty eighteen like around june or july. So that's almost talking mostly. It's about business. I stayed home for low bit. I worked at. Ups at the same time continuing to side hustles business and a whole issue behind it. All i got to this point. Yeah in this man Who you all hearing from this evening. He's a mover and shaker. A definitely a man that's On the grind and screen speak about his financial influence here in atlanta also by way of orlando or where he's originally from florida. Shutouts all the floridians on that will be an hour on the line episode. Thirty six with andre albritton He is a financial influencer indefinitely. Entrepreneur that's going to be dropping major jews about Y you need to be studying and also knowing your finances and knowing the financial education side of business before you go into business for yourself and why it's important especially when it comes to black entrepreneurship so a you want to pay tune up hearing the jews. That dre is going to drop this evening. I forgot to do a quick shout out My in andre actually met each other in a great oganization. Nanto for young professionals are is hosted by the The national league cy young professionals chapter of atlanta. They're a great organization. Doing major moves here in atlanta area. If you're not familiar with young professional associations out highly suggest a looking up our after here in atlanta for the national urban league so shout outs Y p of atlanta chapter undoing. Some major things here. That's how myself and andrei connected. And so if you're not loved in two other young professional orkney you'll not get the chance or the privilege to meet other successful. Young professionals like mr andrei. Who's on the line is my special guest. This evening so Dray tell us a little bit about why you got into the financial side are those that may be interested in going into a career or even starting up a financial Of business like why did you engaged ties with that So you know full by myself. I've been left money only so tons. I i'm just very cheap. So it is of a signal like i was at the businesses also about money and to me. I always found that money and track my money. Setting goals was aiming paying down debt. That is kind of came naturally to me. My real passion is. We'll just helping people helping people through insurance as far as Good policies coverages for them. But i just winless. Shift that passion from helping people in insurance last wednesday to finance instead. You know that. Feel like i get a little bit more. I guess have his faction so anytime. Someone says me like low note to say. Hey i will take this one step. You mentioned a very helpful. That's kind of keeps me going. Looming more on a base level. Been the has been pass moment selfies. East get some small undesired. It makes my whole day man and you know as boston. This a financial feeling. General is so many ways. Joe intimate us. Oh homey the sales side. It wasn't much will be there. I found myself long financial planning side just because it's not to sales even if you want. I mean who will take care of. Insulin amounts to help bout with debt budgeting saving so. That's been much everything on that point. Really okay no no doubt in a it comes dray to Especially knowing a financial education as entrepreneur like what are some some tips you would tell the entrepeneurship just getting started on getting their llc or even wanting to go legit and go through the secretary of state like what are some tips you and tell them when it comes to their dances before they start their business. Yeah you know. I must say does know what you're getting into afeni. We all got to know the statistics. I mean four out of five are going be forced to you the next year another five those same businesses that made it. They're gonna fail as well. So that's one thing you want. Keep in mind Not same honestly. Are you ready to take that. Leap just liking. It's not a bad thing to advice. Do my nine to five job. It won't make enough for me to survive. I think if you have to survive off of it is gonna be a sink or swim by me. Personally i wanna to be able to still flow nice link does. My business came with show nicely as well. So it's not feeling to. I'm not as rushing party south just to get paid of still focusing on the value. So that's my major does knowing what to get into another one of course get your fun and you know. You mentioned see fanatic bobby about three to six months of your average expenses and if you are an entrepreneur. You're not married. You have no of the streams of income. They know that's something really want playing full as far as possibly having six seven months of expenses you know some months on be high up in the bay the other two months. I might lie down here as room and spike because like a bank. I did some back in april and the amount of money i've made from that one. Some was all the money i made last year. So i mean that's like so many ups and downs. So i can imagine if i would have depend on business just because they have nothing. I might not make it to the last one. I mentioned to is streams of inca so the average millionaire has about seven different streams of income almost suggests for any entrepreneur. You need to have as many as possible in always say if you drive a vehicle and you live in the city of no reason to be both now you can do. You can do list. You can pick up skills. Drop off food. Though so many side hustles. That can pretty much compliment. You'll entrepreneur shit and that way you can still tie both in. I'm gonna say one quick story man got so you know when i got into off and the driver tell me about some music so yeah do any type of museum. The i'm good. I'm easygoing outlays. Play the radio. Something he has a plane is makes tape forming eight. That is the perfect example of how you can tie in you'll side-hustle into your lifestyle is a plan that make take four nice kid about it as this guy he has gone on. I ended up buying the mix tape of course because the united states. I'm pretty good taken. Advantage is just like this. When i was doing boob. I'll try make sure i ask everyone what they do and if they look like they won't millennial look have the funds for me. I'll pass them a business called and know something simple as that. No that's us. They would that point right near drake because up. Note tuning in a really quick shot out. A justin shouts a carlo. Shot out the alana shattuck mighty j. I saw tuning in in anyone that made me watching are currently is going to watch the replay. Were on the line. With financial influence or andrei albritton who is here locally in atlanta but based on of orlando florida or he's talking about why it's important entrepreneur to be financially educated and also financially down when it comes to knowing your business also just knowing financial education there so you will want to tune in He is entrepreneur and also a financial influence here in atlanta He's dedicated to teaching millennials in generations. Years about how to make their finances work for themselves to start a side hustle or actual legit business. And so he'll be dropping a lot of jews. This evening's of stay tuned in right. I know you left off on just now. Talking about The side hustles in lee on one of the conferences that we went to that partnered with the ones. Amd a in nba yet nba nba chapter of young professionals in atlanta with our urban league or young professionals in a you did a session at the conference. Titled the art of the side hustle. Talk about a why. It's important even if you're not entrepreneur but even a young professional to have a side hustle. Talk a little bit about that port. So you know. I will say going back to the old seven crash in america. Us millennials had a different perspective from it based off while pants so they went through it as phosphine laid off on the job. I'm being they're going to be laid off on the job. Saying author retirement funds skilled down. So from us i might be a little bit traumatic honestly and that's i think a lot of the gig economy does so well is because we simply been traumatize. Rosie of painless through something. So awed is a while being mean having different streams of income. That's it needs to come down to so now if you have one job as it could be secured but that job goes in you. Don't have anything else deadly savings. You know you're gonna fall like a domino effect to know if you lose the job. What else are you going to lose. The car are used the house. Are you lose all the debt you have. I keep going back in today. Keep creating more debt free credit cards best of course of having a stream of income as far as more than one just because you never know which one is going to go. And that's a good stuff and even when it comes to like the amount of streams especially for those that are single bursted of being married of having two incomes a hopefully car into the household like we're singled a how how many streams of income would you suggest especially for those that have the knowns or especially car payments credit card or healthcare debt. Like i'm gonna streams would you suggest and also what are some easy ways that they can start side hustles to have those groups of so you're going to remind me for the second question as falls a number. I think two to three is good. Say to the second. One needs to be strong stream of income. Not something that says like you know you can put money to bank. A a decent interest rate by about two point two percent nowadays and that can be another string of income. It's not very good one stream of income. I'm like either driving similar around. You walk on your business. Your businesses action making money. It's not just a hobby so you said that two to three give give or take them posting. I think you should try and do more and aside house kind of go in seasons sometimes it's going to be up and sometimes it's going to be down my survive light six seven potential side hustles. Ooh i don't do boy anymore. I don't really george anymore. Because he's been going down focused on my other side hustle up even more but just having that amount. There's always good and your buttons gidel Ought to the question. I was saying of those that are single versus married. Like what would you give or advise those that are laissez. Even married about may be living off two incomes. Or maybe one spouse may be working like what would you suggest are some easing side. Hustles that someone can get into forgetting north. A about seventy five different side. Someone can do so usually for side-hustle especially if you. Mary kind of have a little bit more relax with it. You know yes nelson income in so it's not too much pressure bouba liberals like the easiest ones to get into just because those so popular between must have to figure out what type of scheduling wanadoo on the main places. You wanna mess with Another good one. I would say actually brand ambassadors. Have you been one of the festivals in atlanta which which ones drown anyone. Willie of course so you know when he goes one of those vendors. I love Mcdonald's and some handle feed coupon infobahn an actual. Mcdonald's they are brand ambassador. So that's what i did. Once upon a time out for companies like yellow pages of the gills. Yoga thing does pass now for yoga. Fulda gig paid about eighty dollars per hour allow is not bad money. It's not a bad side hustle at all the random and Eliana that's alright money. Now i that's good portion of my wedding would do those types of events so one day you spend maybe six hours at a festival and you bring him by. Maybe one twenty easy. That's another good one and then on the last mention is focus groups surveys so a focus group is simitis obey. But that's looking for something more detail so full this one. I just got done doing one looking for business. Owners that use instagram. I signed up for it. I got it paid a hundred and twenty five dollars and a online visa gone awol. Sometimes they'll give you a check sometimes. Give you a debit card just to us. And then this one was kinda. My first one is just like online. 'cause know my body ale fire about some presence but it's the type of money coming in the house and you know these still take maybe one hour two hours. Yeah i'm applying. She got her for some out the back. Some still kinda upset about that. It takes it takes a while for me to get some vazza. She guess she's getting two hundred dollars our own. This is some easy things out there. That people really don't want to do. And so easy side hustles out. Always recommend like driest day. And i've done many focus. Groups have also a research studies on different allergy medications. When i used to have allergies before our plant based vegan. Don't have those anymore. But i used to. I used to be plugged in like dreyer saying you. You got so many different websites which we're gonna list andres website in a second so that you can go look at some of his side hustles. He recommends but you have to stay plugged in stay tuned in different of income that you can bring in as multiple is a must dre. What's your website. Really quick listed for those that are tuning in and weber catches the replay can. Yeah it's w. w. w. dot a. g. us of tango 'em as millennials and as a next diaz and dole finance dot com. Okay t. m. next door or t m and d okay. Finance dot com. Okay perfect so those are tuning him. A world allow with my special guest. Andrei albritton who the financial influence. There definitely go check. While his website is listed in the comments section he has multiple of things revolving or evolving around a financial education. And also for millennials young professionals in generations years onto get more in tune with their financial education in their finances for business purposes. And so you will want to go and check out His his website that were listening in the comments section. So drake talk talk to them a little bit about. How did you come up with the name of the millennials on next door concept in why so passionate about the millennial. Generation duncan said. You know the name. My wife kind of helped out with it. I i suppose she helped out with it. I guess so. One favors bugs. I win in kind of change. My mindset about money was the mole the millionaire next door. so the millennials. Thanks just a playoff woods. At the time. When i granted i can twenty six team. I was supposed to be in on it. So that's why. Like the millennials guts. Is i wanna be a part of it going. He's got a precedent despite despite. Yeah no doubt. That's how the name came about in the. You know the buck itself just talked about you know of some. That's always very deep within me. As far as the definition of wealth us of enlist the definition of wealth is just gonna say an abundance of resources or money is not necessarily being specific about anything not saying you need. This amount of money is not saying that you need valuable jewels to be wealthy. A county couldn't muster up to interpretation when i think about what about. Okay what do i find valuable. I find my time very valuable. Something can't get back. So if i can create more time for myself than i feel wealthy in that sense says okay. I just want to have more nice. 'cause that's not cool so that can help them feel wealthy as well and we'll kind of what ties into my passion about this. As into my passion to just as the media we believe in one way of well oiled believe on one way to become wealthy and we know how it kinda lesson. The media sense run isn't necessarily mean that you know you don't have to go into bake house spent all the time with your mom's house if you want and that's cool i would it but that's cool. So as to help millennials Differently so no knowing what you want truly wanted to live how to obtain it and then you know setting a list task to get you that absolutely no as far as why. I chose molina's just. Because i feel plus molina's says i am a millennial zor and i have some major problems coming down the little one thing. That retirement is gonna be scared for us right because you know we'll live longer and we might not be tired at any time. According to the statistics so far right they would they would put right there. T. breakers of course we do have a lot of young professionals in also on generations years that that do watch The podcast been cast theories of run. The they're wanting to learn more about forecasting of the future for whether it's entrepreneurs or even young professionals life where do you see. Some of the trends of millennials like going when it comes to retirement planning or even The the income debt ratio all the way to even student loans like little bit about your financial background aware where you see the future or where do you see the future going when it comes to host things. Yeah say to me. I see the future's going to be mojo wealth gap. Obviously so. i'm a little bit down so stop if i go too much bergara dropped. The jews does pay my second game a monopoly as monopoly. The only way to win is someone all the pieces. All the bothering. We are getting close to that point one percent on everything and you know the game and when someone says okay. I'm done playing but we don't have that option run we'll life capitalistic. Society woke kind again a little bit towards the end of the game when it comes to the wealth. Gap i see. Why didn't he just because you automation. As far as Truck's being driven by themselves can take a good amount of people out Just making causing general. A lot of jobs are going to be going away and basically those don't type of uniforms of income for us is going to be a very sad live so i mean granted. You can't start a business by the end of the day unfortunately was not gonna be successful with the business. That's us the statistic. Someone has to do this not to do that. Some people get to do the business side of it. So another side i see to. It is us taking care of our own parents house. Say for the best they can do for. The child is not necessary. The student loans but just a stay healthy mentally physically and financially the most important things anything can get to. The children know. Healthcare costs outrageous in this country. So when you have a millennial as a wedding debt from student loans in debt or just by nine hundred homes still paying equity anywhere. I'll be full going on their own retirement planning kind of top on taking care of a payment s very expensive this question so i've been saying while the outgoing now i'm seeing the goes on before we know the average posting cans own stomach one thousand dollar emergency thousand eight is the importance of net to drake because we have a couple of financial influencers and also especially goes that are in the credit credit area. Talk about the importance of the emergency part about a thousand dollars so pretty much much fun. It's just a cushion life pushes you down right. So when you fall you're going to get pushed out on the concrete. No-one wants to get us on concrete. If you haven't emergency fund you at least have a cushion for you but to fall on now. Granted emergency fund that by take care of everything. Okay so if you have like an old thousand. Golly matzec fun and you need to buy a new car. It's not gonna take care of everything but cushions you can get up a little bit quicker faster. I notice hitting the concrete. And you'll just kind of hold on the full. No i actually fall in my head with a cushion is a nice soft landing. just say. Hey it's okay. Yeah a little bit of help is going to be better right and talk and talk about right even on that point like why do you think. A lot of us millennials especially generations the additional coming up in a game. Some of them are just straight out of college in the workforce. But why is it important. You are would tell. What would you tell millennials to have an emergency firm a wide you. A lot of us do not have emergency. That's a very good question. Man one thing for my experiences of being money influence on. That's the people that job to me for questions. The people come to my events number. This is like an entree facts of you know. Take it with a grain of salt but his back eighty percent of women that show up to all these events. Ask all these money questions and ozzy all my clients on nothing but women lot to. I'm a good looking guy. But i'm not that good looking. I'm not so with that. I see that men of we must not taking the help when i ask him for help. So it's kinda still going a little bit blindly sometimes discern. How i'm a man. I got this all the marshalls stuff. So i see that as a big canvas for males in general now simply put for african american females. I think they do amazing. I think they're gonna take over riley lately takeover by. I think them to save up to one thousand dollars. Emergency that much trouble. Who's compare the men just because you know especially with dating especially in that lane from what i hear is expensive. Know that's one thing. The on top of it may like to be flashing explosive in the big cities drive a nascar dodge challenger that seems to be like the main guilty nowadays. Everybody has out your other saw pizza now. Those are they all know why inches weight so is as a whole taking time off of that one right or just in general maybe some is really can't save as a whole is us because we have so many expenses so one went is the long lies so naturally the baby was they would have bought a house by now but keep in mind. We have student loans the debt to income ratio to get a house. And you might be paying five hundred dollars a month for houston loans. Naturally i'll nasa just to get a house if you still trying to get by on a daily basis in piece of it to talk. Talk to that point to dry. Because i was on your i. G was yesterday or today and when it comes to being house for on talking especially from even african american or black perspective all the way to general perspective like why why are so. Many millennials are trying to basically keep with their parents in buying the house straight out of college even though they're up to their eyeballs in over one hundred thousand dollars in debt before they buy the house and then now they're thinking that this is going to be a valuable asset but their house or talk about what is in why You see a lot of millennials becoming house for nowadays man. I ain't she. Tv ads like that. So yeah no closing. Don't know house. Sport is basically what you buy a big house and you basically don't have enough money to survive so you any of those are granite. Kitchen countertops yucky living. Good everything else. Life is not that good. So you know. I think a lot of them wealthy. I mentioned tuesday. No come out of college. I see a lot of people. buying homes. One thing is peeled. Pasha run with a social media has tons into a whole different animal for our payments. They had to keep up with the joneses but when the joneses side the house you'll have to see the joneses anymore. We keep up on ashes right social media. We got them offense on instruments. Be a god. Estrogen showing up about the highlight. Reel so we want the same thing so often comes down to the point where we can paint on chat to five to someone. That's chapter ted. They got a house. I'm getting a house now too. That's unfortunately sometimes and that's that's a major part when it comes to especially here in atlanta dre talk out of those that are diving headfirst into. Let's say the real estate market or even taken out loans or whether it's business loans even though they haven't taken care of their own financial bet like talk about Bat that Big conundrum especially for young millennials like ourselves and why they need to be focusing on eliminating dippers. Yeah so now it's just a domino effect. That's what it comes down to so if you have one domino business. Donald less student loan another donald credit card. Knowledge is being based off of one job so once you lose one job that you're done things coming down like that s is a dangerous game you know just similar to how you invest your money you want to diversify your income as well and as far as when it comes to pay down debt so i do believe that such thing as good versus bad day. Look as bad debt in was debt so when the pay down the debt i usually don't recommend become debt free just because to pay down student loans. You'll give him a good amount of time for your opportunity. Costs statistically for the house market. The pisces have never been lower. So who knows when they might go back up and this test to on the debt as well you know i would say hey. Offer consumer debt in the dead. albie you auto loans. I be anything like a payday loan. Please pay the payday loans off people right. Yeah man those. The interest is astronomical so yet those type of loans. You got credit cards. Those awesome the as we want to focus on focus and then Hey why do you want to become debt. Free and we have a serious conversation. So it'll come on this conversation with themselves asking. So why do you wanna be debt free. So if it's something. That's what i just want to just feel free on won't pay any more debt than yeah. That's the out for you. If you say just because i saw an article on and then i might not be the best route you take the high interest debt and then from they'll kind of evaluate so once he credit card out the way out the way payday loans out the way myself guy now have enough breathing with him to actually buy a house to buy a new business love by business business loan. You create that breathing for yourself or you can do on campaign down del. All on keep invest most of income. Right in talk and talk a little bit more draped too. Because i know of being denture in the finance field in you are a young king like myself that this happened to be an american. A person of color like talk about are the stigma or to stereotype or even a lot of times. The the The thing that's passed down for our community in saying that i'm gonna die with debt. The debt is is basically not going to hold me back from living my best life and being able to really Believe in that concept that they should not be taken care of their debt. And they're gonna take your debt to the grave on. What would those those family members or even those people that actually believe in that say no is actually like that so we no time pay down more deaths. She's i don't want about your student. Loan debt get paid down one day. You know which is the minimum. You'll get paid out. People is one of the math. Some google a debt calculating you can see how much extra amount of interest you'll pay so exercise for my lifestyle. Que les won the mantelpiece credit card. What happens if you pay the minimum for the west of the loan for better god and that interest now. That might be six thousand dollars. Why justin interest. You're paying money to borrow someone else's money So they asked plaza. Hey for that six thousand dollars. What would you rather do with that money. And then the whole idea come out. Oh how -cation or rather the new investment but down on down payment so trying to illustration does he wanna stay on that. The interest you paint that is really still. You'll money and it can't be. Your money was after off a little bit. Quaker final station helps out a lot more nowadays. You know with the debt side of it all and that's that's a huge thing You know especially in our community when it to a not eliminating debt so that you can live the life like no one else. I actually teach up on its eastern university. Dave ramsey's campout sacrificing your time your energy your income now so that you can pay off debt so that later on you can live and or like no one else. And so she's not out to all of those millennials that are taking care of their debt and not playing. Yes or no know. A lot of comes as financial literacy. Who doesn't all that is. That's basically where john owns. Ten dollars comes wide allowed. He spends twenty dollars acid. That's financing literacy. Full maya belief. I believe this caused by three main things. One is lack of mindset of resources. The third one is lack of knowledge. Now to be quite honest. Resources and knowledge is not an excuse anymore. Just as we have google abbas much information on your phone that we kinda take selfies win. Roman this solve all your problems right always saying no ninety percent of the is truly just the mindset. You don't get into the mindset game while the white group people no bozo a feather flock together right. Yeah nine bucks fans again. You'll be in the test all that good stuff. That's what comes down to is with that. Put to a drako's i know. I'm sure you hear a lot from your clients. Just like i hear from a lot of my students in financial peace university classes that They want to do big things and dream. Big things But they feel. That debt is like suffocating. Them and that they are so constricted with the bills and and not being able to on food on the table let alone keep the lights on or being house board. This mentioned a lot of a lot of folks are like talk about why it's important for us. As african americans are people of african descent to get out of debt so that we can apply that money elsewhere to actually go after our dreams or business. Yeah i mean at the end the day comes down to what you actually walk for yourself in life so you know when it comes down to the debt thing about the day is taking money out of your pocket every month ruling about. I'm paying eighty dollars per month. What would i rather be doing. Eighty dollars. I'll give that eighty dollars is something wanted to do like this go party with. I don't care what you wanna do but just trying to take some of your power back so you know see what comes down to the opportunity cost of it up in any cost versus you know. I'm spending two dollars on my student. Loan debt what else could Be doing for me and winning the thinking about the long term impact on me no compound wealth is the eighth wonder of the wall So let me get started the more well down the road and hopefully be able to be much break poverty or some families audience very generational run ramose bona in poverty. The daughter who is the next daughters the next artist. And that's it just keeps going into some of this is to break it and you know of that is the debt side too. So if you're in debt you don't have money options so vast that's my whole piece on it honestly man no. It's not what you want going after it and getting the mindset right and that's that's good A good point just even vivid as we get ready to wind down shortly bro. Talk about like what are some of the dreams a. Let's say your clients that are coming to you for your financial advisor in your financial consulting or your financial coaching. And they're telling you Extremes they're telling you what they really a when they do get out of debt or when they are able to receive the ultimate streams of income like a little bit about the importance of dreaming big but also having a plan to get out of there. S going first off with the plan a plan. You just won't kick kind of going. Aimlessly of al is some adjusted. Like a business for myself out of this business are you. Are you doing good. Brian was just basically Being able to tell people why Be dreaming big and all having a plan to get out get out of debt so they live there for. Yeah and mellow potus. O of mainly two different types dreams usually like in the main categories. They wouldn't want to help you want pay. Some type of generational wealth premiums children have to pay for the student loan homes. We them at the head start. Something they didn't have the people have no children. The other side of it is basically any type of millennials. Want breathing room. So they feel like they are being bogged down by the debt bogged down by the mice that they might not be as dance like the next twenty years so they just awesome breed them just a live freely. Track the money because a lot of people ask ourselves the same question at the end of the month. Kinda ask the healthy. My money go right. That's one of the main concerns us. Okay i know a lot of money. But i don't know where my money is right. Question right in an s important like you would just saying in tracking the money in which would a good segue as we wind down like talk about why. It's important for entrepreneurs especially that are looking for. They're going to business or they're already entrepreneurs talk about the importance of budgeting or tracking your money each month and also why. It's important to have a financial coach account an accountability partner or financial advisor to help track. Yeah so as positive of dragging now again my own personal example for it. So i think last year also playing around the business attract watch so when i wanted to go back last year. I said okay andre. What did you do ask you as alcohol bill. You didn't try nothing way. You don't know what to go full this year a lot. Better this you'll thank god good that's helps me to say okay. Product or service a is working part of being. That's not walking as well so let me focus more on a no. I mentioned identity. Did the event and i made more money than it did last you sometime. It's not gonna be that obvious for meals. A no brainer was someone else you might need to track everything and also in fact time how much time on this What type of resources on top of expenses in overall track your goals business. So you know the product a decent gang you anyone in your goals. That's something that you want to stop withdrawn from the public and myself. The coaching aspect of it is odd on taking away on twenty twenty or twenty twenty. One now is doing well by doing long term for the business absolutely absolutely in which leads to the final question bro before we allow you to give your Your final jill of of wisdom evening talk about In our community like where do you see The wave of black entrepreneurship going. No you talked about That there are a lotta of black wings that are on the rise of asking the financial questions wanting to be a financial seminar of it even when it comes to both men and women within the black community like. Where do you see the wave of entrepreneurship going especially even here in atlanta. Since we're both in tokyo gotcha So i'm not sure if it's a good thing and i want to detail for that so i see it going into three. Different one is freelancing job as job at here. I was talking to that outside businesses to find freelancers as well just because this little bit cheaper fallen more efficient. So i think that's a big trend the other two. I see his real estate in truck driving so the very profitable. I think the only downside with is monthly truck driving. I know automation's gonna be playing a big part in it. And i don't know too much about trout so i'm still. Qc alaska out a play apple. Some people if you have a family whose afghan-american they own six strauss the making money now but this coming down the well will they be able to afford the automated. Trucks will buy them all up. I'll know ainhoa the same goes for the real estate side. I always say for real. Estate is a good investment by no It's not the best. Investments sometimes citing investments when. Jay z became a billionaire. They bogged down his wealth and how he made it all his money. I'm gonna say five. To seven percent of his wealth is real estate and the same is actually the same for the one percent so when i wasn't the financial phone to this day i can't think of any of our clients who had more than one house ron and you'd have to think of all expenses all the taxes you left really consider if you actually make that money from real estate in the financial phone. They will invest into real estate investment. Trust so's we must top of investment for invest into real estate properties by positive tangible product. I'm really seem to do that at all last. It struck me as kind of weird. But i know in our community was a real estate. Do will stay everybody in. It is as real estate drake and sadness. Because i think for our home is going to turn out well enough to go make some money. Last commanded to decide just focus on the list. I wanna do that right. And that's an suv man especially here in atlanta as grace that everyone is seeing a will buy your house Signs on their corners or their highway there highways when they're getting off and we know how many people come in canvas from g. t. v. celebrities all the way down to regular invested in shout out to all of those that are making money in real estate. But you heard ray say even jazy who just became a billionaire on the forbes list he only has five to seven percent of his well coming out of real estate. Property is so dray man. We know we're getting down to the wire you know. We always allow our special guests to leave a final jewel of wisdom. Okay final thought that you want to leave with people that made me watching and so to that person. That's a millennial or that person that's a generation the or even to that person that may be a baby boomer that made tuning in or watching the replay when it comes to their financial education and also their financial wealth and why They need to be taking it. Serious what would you tell them. So i the same advice beautiful intentions man and you know this goes fall. The inside discuss for new aside simply just get started so fame bout of just one small thing every day financially so whether as checking your bank account checking your best one credit karma to saving five dollars just to something small one time per day and i promise you know you can become so financially conscious that the next time you. I've been thinking about one to the club. You're gonna say to use a binding to go to club. Tonight will lax at home or god is opaque about quick studio or something right. I think that's the biggest thing about anyone is. We have to get started. You know we gotta get stuck in the researching phase. It was moma recess bowl. We never get out of the phase in. Break it down to like when people go to a conference. These andrei numbers against a grain of salt by one hundred people. Go to a conference in the greatest speech ever and off of it you'll have about. Eighty people are going to go home. Get the whole thing. The twenty people that number might go down to about ten people actually keep falling through with it past the first way rival empty. We might have two people who had actually start to do something tangible and produced some type of result whether that's ghetto bad mile advice as always just to get started google. Something want something on you to anything to get you moving on the goals that you have for yourself absolutely best draze final jupiter. This evening he hit hit it on the head. Oh i actually laugh. A lot of times when i see clients or potential clients that i work with that they want. The information dislike as i'm sure you see drain in. They want to hear information. But the likelihood that they're writing it down and retaining it is slim to none and so consider those to just be people that love to hear information but don't love to actually digest it because if you don't have a notepad or notebook Even those people that go to church and are listening to the pastor's preaches but don't take notes always laughing at those individuals because it's like their heroes of the world but they're not going to be able to digest the words doers of the word. So yeah always I would leave the final ju- stop listening in also a stop on just listening to those that may be not knowing what the heck they are talking about and start listening to people like andrei others who you're seeing on segments this month and also throughout the month of february going to the end of this year that are doing things. They're not just talking about it. They're actually act on. Yeah actually action oriented. They're playing in the game. They're not on the sidelines listening not on the sidelines just researching. They're failing they're going. They're going through the entrepreneurship especially but they're out here on a mission in must of mission if you are wanting to be wealthy and also get out of debt and if you don't start somewhere like dray said of and you're going to end up looking like else which is basically a part of the system in my final jew. I'll make sure you get out in are doing something for your financial education especially when it comes to wealth building and wealth management Myself and andrei our resources for you and melissa links that you can definitely happen to of your locally here in atlanta if you're interested in getting out of debt and also taking some courses You can definitely plug in up to some opportunities that drain myself who have knowing on but Drain how can they out to you grow. If they want to still touch base with you come to events workshop summits or even console have your consulting or services so i know in a two millennial fashion. I was concerned. Guy says to follow me on instagram alone. At the millennials nextdoor angel and put in the comments website can go through these scam as. Yeah won't be doing some investing events a puzzle finding summit coming up a summation everyone does stay tuned interested in that. If you have any consulting questions showed me a dam the slide in the dm suomi. Evan be good. I love it i love it. Y'all definitely reach out to andre. Shoot 'em at dm. He's he's personable Easier in atlanta dislike myself. So he can. He can definitely answer any questions. You may have or comments but sure you're playing the game to win on my my final thought. Play the game to win. And don't just play the game to watch We are finished with episode. Thirty five or the run. The jews cast podcast series on the financial impact especially when it comes to black entrepreneurship grandma. Quick prayer on you grow number. Let you enjoy the rest of your nightmare. Father got. I just wanna thank you for allowing andrei to take the time to share his impractical principles and also His business Advice when it comes to dealing with finances and financial education We thank you for his mission and his talents and gifts that you have given him a we thank you for his heart of helping people get out of debt and also to learn more about their own financial education. And we thank you up what you are doing In the season for him fray that you will bless his hands and bless everything he touches open up new doors new opportunities and even new clients. That will come pouring his way in. May you continue to guide him as a father as king and also as a as a man of the people in asked all of this. And this jesus christ name Thanks man thanks for having me on xiaobo bro. you know. we're going to have you back soon. Man it's been linda dishing on financial impact for the black entrepreneurship segment. This is mr andrei albritton definitely reach out to his brother. He's doing a major moves and even list are a. Y p Urban league chapter so that you can get plugged into andre. He's a mover. Shake the rise. You will want to stay in touch with this man. I big drive. we're gonna talk soon. Mass than a pleasant serving. Which you bro. I'm in a good even you too so just as the final wrap up. Thank you all for tuning in tomorrow. we're gonna try to have our segment with anthony night I know some some of our guests. They're not facebook sound so we try to still have missed the anthony night on a four another edition on community activism in also on the community influence Thursday we have for sure confirmed on. Natalie annoys that Who's going to be speaking again from the financial influence perspective on the importance of credit when it comes to entrepreneurship and why you need to as a black entrepreneur. Be taking your credit serious and so stay tuned this week if you are interested as a final plug for getting out of debt again. I'm going to be listing. Some comments in the section of this video interview to get plugged into financial peace university classes. I teach fear in atlanta locally with my church victory world church in also as independent of financial coach and instructor. And so if you are interested we have july classes coming up here in marietta and also we're going to be doing online classes for f you so free to get plugged in making an investment in yourself and also make a choice to get out of debt so that you can live right now like no one else for that later on you can live in give like no one else. It's been a pleasure serving which you all stay tuned for tomorrow also thursday segment and make sure you pay attention to follow the jews king jews julian smart ripple signing off. I'll see awesome piece.

atlanta florida orlando Mr andre agassi aso john kylie jenner andre andre albertson manso saint springs toby tex watson andre albritton nba Nanto mr andrei drake afeni andrei albritton
The podcasters who earn the most

podnews

03:28 min | 1 year ago

The podcasters who earn the most

"The latest from newsletter pod News Dot net. Joe Rogan's earning thirty million dollars from his podcast. That's according to a a story in Forbes today my favorite murder and fifteen million dollars in two thousand nineteen and Dave Ramsey's at number three it's ten million dollars you'll find a link to that in our show notes. It's an unused letter today and a link to this a survey that Westwood one would like you to fill out. If you've got ten minutes it's on topics like podcast attribution measurement and dynamic ad insertion and your insights and recommendations will be very gratefully received so music entertainment and something else serve announced a new podcast venture working in the UK and the US on new podcasting opportunities. Something else who's already the. UK's leading independent audio producer bus sprouts proud has unveiled advanced. PODCASTS statistics Kostov has added the ability for all their users to create private podcasts. And Omni Studio have been busy to building. A dynamic and manager publishes adding transcription tools enhanced analytics fully translated web players and a method of delivering ad. Free diversions of PODCASTS for subscribers. If you've wondered how many subscribers your podcast has some podcast platforms keep data on that reports service switch. Aggregate Information has gone live today on product. Hunt Maestra new transcription tool for podcasters. It comes with the first thirty minutes free. Music Company has announced a settlement to their court litigation with US radio companies and the new music. Agreements includes podcasts. A hey not so fast says media lawyer David Oxford clarifying that. BMI controls only a portion of the rights necessary to use music in podcastone. The Blue Gary has been named Executive Vice President of Biz Talk Radio. USA Radio Company was a co-founder of podcast movements. And and one of the first one hundred podcasters and what is a podcast again. David Maguire from stable asks a number of podcasting experts on stables blog. Doc I'd say blog it doesn't have an RSS fade therefore perhaps it isn't a blog after all focused news. If you're a fan of true crime and a fan live TV game shows and you want to inexplicably put these two hitherto unrelated genres together. You'll love killer knowledge question number fourteen. What family early member reportedly said? I'm here to do the devil's business before they began killing people a Susan. Atkins be Eh Tex Watson Greg a Susan Atkins pet is incorrect. Oh my goodness goodness killer. Knowledge is new from podcast. A spotify company scrupulous impartiality expected from the BBC could lead to boring podcast. Who knew that's the claim of BBC? Journalist John on Sopo before promising that America's his new podcast with fellow BBC journalist. Emily meatless will be surprising and thoughtful and presumably not boring and bbcnews Brazil race. Its first podcast cold water story featuring some of the BBC's biggest stories and there's plenty more and older the accent on on news Neta subscribe at Pod new stunt.

BBC UK US Joe Rogan Susan Atkins Dave Ramsey Westwood Forbes BMI murder spotify Omni Studio Music Company USA Radio Company Hunt Maestra David Maguire David Oxford Executive Vice President Emily podcastone
Summer of 69: The Passion Behind The Family Pt. 1

Parcast Presents: Summer of '69

51:02 min | 2 years ago

Summer of 69: The Passion Behind The Family Pt. 1

"Due to the graphic nature of this families crimes listener discretion is advised this episode includes discussions of murder sexual assault drug use and violence that some people may find offensive. We we advise extreme caution for children under the age of thirteen most days Tex Watson didn't have a care in the world he had Charlie to tell him what to do and Charlie knew everything everything so texts never had to worry about whether he was making the right choice or of a wrong one techs also had access to a steady stream of marijuana and l._S._d.. Charlie encouraged it which meant that the drugs or good but tex had curiosities about heavier things too so and it was offered by Charlie he readily swallowed a chunk of Bella Donna route but the trip didn't relax him or open his mind mind instead he felt unhinged filled with panic paranoia and anger all of his senses seem distorted. He couldn't be sure of what he was seeing or feeling. It was the middle of the day darkness enveloped him. It was as if a malevolent evil was trying to warm its way into his body techs. Let the evil in there was nothing he could do to resist it. He began to lose consciousness. He could only hope that when he woke up he would feel normal again but it was a dim. Hope Tech suspected that he had changed himself. Irrevocably the evil was part of him. Now Hi I'm Lena Hobbs and this is crimes of passion apar- cast past original the legal definition of a crime of passion is a violent crime that occurs in the throes of extreme emotion leaving no time to reflect on the consequences but in this show we explore passionate crimes how does a marriage progress from husband and wife to killer and victim or killer and Co conspirator if there's a thin line between love and hate what manipulates our relationships and a deadly results and this episode will explore how Charles Created the group known as the Manson family how they began as a strange but seemingly benign group of outcasts and how they transformed into a ruthless band of criminals next week we'll discuss the infamous murders the group carried out the police investigations and the trials that followed their crime spree. This episode is art of Park has summer of sixty nine event July twenty the second through August ninth. All your favorite podcast shows are teaming up to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary of a landmark summer in American history. The summer of Nineteen sixty-nine from the Manson murders to the moon landing ending where diving deep into the summer America hit a boiling point with twenty three special episodes across sixteen different are cast originals. We'll be digging into the fallout of M._l._K.'s assassination a wide eight reaching l._S._d.. Colt and rumors of a Kennedy family cover up you can find these specials and more all in our new parkas presents feed on spotify or anywhere you listen to podcasts at podcast. We are grateful eightfold for you our listeners you allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing. Reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at Park has network several of you have asked how to help us. If you enjoy today's episode assode the best way to help us to leave a five star review where ever you're listening it really does help few names in history carry the as much notoriety as Charles Manson's when he died in two thousand seventeen after spending nearly fifty years in prison news of his passing made international headlines from what we know about Manson. That's that's exactly what he would have wanted from the time he was a young man. Charles Manson creeped fame and attention initially he believed his celebrity would come from being the world's biggest rockstar Baker than his idols. The the Beatles instead he was notorious for orchestrating some of the most heinous murders in American history but it wasn't just his crimes that drew infamy it was his ability to attract a loyal cult of followers. I who were so devoted they were willing to kill for him. Charles Mills Manson born in November of nineteen thirty four was without a family for most of his life in many ways. The creation of his cult following was determined many years before he found his way to Haight Ashbury his mother fifteen-year-old Kathleen Maddox was never married to Charles is biological father any me subsequent relationships didn't last for long Charles was shuttled between his grandmother and his aunt as Kathleen tried to find her footing. When Charles was only five Kathleen was sent to prison for stealing a car and and he was into live with family and McMechan West Virginia his aunt and Uncle Glenna and Bill Thomas Remember Charles is three year? Stay as a difficult time for their family. Charles was impervious to punishment his uncle. Go Bill said that he acted however he wanted and no threat of a whipping could make him behave before I continue with Charles's psychology please note that I am not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist but they have done a lot of research for this show the thomases memories of Charles reveal a pattern of antisocial behavior often used to diagnose conduct disorders in children. The diagnostic and statistical manual of of mental disorders notes that problem behaviors may start as young as the age of three these children often show defiance towards adults blame others for things that have gone wrong and provoke others Charles displayed did all of these tendencies during his time in McMechan. Perhaps most frightening was Charles's obsession with knives. His cousin Joanne recalled a terrifying instance when she was left in charge of seven year old Charles Dell's he was pestering Joanne as she cleaned the house so she sent him outside moments later she looked up to see Charles standing on the other side of the screen door wielding a sickle he'd found in the yard slashing being at the screen. His expression was so deranged Joanne thought he might have killed her if our parents had an returned just then to stop him when Charles's mother Kathleen was paroled in nineteen forty two the thomases were glad to return seven year old Charles tour but his defiant behavior continued Charles skip school shoplifted and lied about it he was never ashamed and never repented for his bad behavior the D._S._M.. Five noted that between the ages of Seven and eleven antisocial behaviors intensify in children with conduct disorders at this age the children are more prone to lying stealing Lang and rule-breaking as they gain more independence from their caretakers. Kathleen hoped a firmer hand might straighten Charles out so in nineteen forty seven when Charles was twelve Kathleen sent him to the Jew Ball School. Oh for boys a boarding school for male delinquent and Terre Haute Indiana he ran away from Jabal the next year in nineteen forty eight within weeks he was caught burglarizing stores in Indianapolis the Annapolis and was sent to a juvenile facility in Omaha Nebraska. It started a pattern of incarceration escape and reincarceration throughout nineteen forty seven and nineteen fifty. Four Charles was placed Austin and escaped from a reform school in Indiana the National Training School for boys in Washington D._C.. And finally a maximum security prison in chillicothe the Ohio he was always recaptured as a result of escalating criminal behavior such as stealing cars and armed robbery Charles fits the textbook pattern of antisocial behaviors typical of childhood conduct disorders the D._S._M. Five states that adolescents are likely to intensify their rule breaking through truancy running away assault robbery vandalism and stealing cars medical professionals note that a high proportion of children and Young People <unk> with conduct disorders grow up to be antisocial adults Charles was by no means reformed but he managed to get his worst impulses under control at chillicothe -I he was released in the spring of Nineteen fifty four at the age of nineteen. Surprisingly he returned to McMechan West Virginia to live with his aunt uncle and grandmother his mother Kathleen had remarried and Charles didn't like her new husband and his grandmother's request Charles regularly attended church he wasn't a believer but he enjoyed several Bible passages especially in the book of revelation and he committed many to memory but his time outside of institutions was short lived in nineteen fifty five Charles Stole a car and drove to Las Angeles to see Kathleen he was promptly arrested by police officer who suspicions were raised by the out out of state license plate in April of Nineteen fifty six Charles was sentenced to serve three years at San Pedro's Terminal Island Penitentiary in Los Angeles Harbor in Prison Charles encountered all types of lawbreakers but he seemed most enamored with the pimps he was enthralled by their stories of seducing young vulnerable women and turning them into obedience sex workers they explain how to pick out women with low self esteem separate them from friends and family and finally alternate between showing the women affection and violence this combination of love and fear where powerful tools to exercise control over their victims Charles like the idea of exerting control over people. This may be why he enrolled in a prison course based on Dale Carnegie's Bestselling Book How to win friends and influence people Charles had never shown shown any aptitude for education before but he excelled in a class that affirmed his instincts for manipulation the most important lesson he gleaned from the course was held a make someone do what you wanted. The trick was to make them think it was their own idea. The research of cognitive psychologist Elizabeth Loftus suggested that it is relatively easy to implant an idea and another person's mind simply asking leading questions can shape another person's response and even create false memories of events Charles was thrilled to learn how susceptible the human mind was to outside influence and how easily he could exploit that twenty three year old Charles was released in September of Nineteen fifty eight with few job prospects. He decided to become a pimp he seduced nineteen year old Leona Ray Musser with the aim of convincing her to enter sex work art Leona eager to please win along with it until his probation officer caught on Charles was soon back in federal court facing charges but he had Leona by his side. We own a had never met anyone like Charlie. When he spoke to her he acted as if she were the only thing that mattered and told her that she was the prettiest girl he'd ever seen? He trusted her and he needed her to look out opt for him just like he did for her. How could she not love someone who meet her feel so special and desirable she would do anything for Charlie? Now was her chance to prove it. She thought about what she was going to say to the judge if she could strike the right tone and get the judge on her side she would keep Charlie out of prison and they could stay together and be happy. The courtroom was quiet and everyone was watching her the lawyers the parole officers and Charlie Leona let out a quavering cy and began to talk about how she and Charlie were in love and how they were going to get married and then she told the judge that she was pregnant with Charlie's baby. It was a lie but she didn't feel guilty. She was only helping Charlie as she wrapped up her speech Leona. Let here's fall from her. is she began to SOB. Charlie said that if she made herself look helpless the judge would take Pity Charlie was right Leonis plaintiff's speech before the court work and the Judge Place Charles on probation rather than sending him back to prison but Charles continued forging checks and pimping out Leona in June of nineteen sixty twenty six year old Charles was sentenced to another another ten years in prison during this stint he discovered scientology. He may have been drawn to the way the scientology leaders convince converts to surrender individuality and completely give into the ideology with the explosive arrival of the Beatles in nineteen sixty four Charles also became obsessed with music. He was fascinated by beatle mania more than anything King Charles wanted a legion of admirers to love him as much as the Beatles he had always loved listening to the radio as a child. It had an ear for punking out songs on his aunts piano. He convinced his mother to has sent him. A guitar took music lessons from fellow inmates and performed in prison variety shows other inmates gave lackluster praise calling him a decent singer capable of playing a few chords but Charles was convinced minced he was a genius prison staff encouraged his devotion to music as a distracted him from causing trouble on March twenty first nineteen sixty seven thirty two year old Charles Manson was released early from prison but he felt aimless without the constant supervision he'd grown accustomed to after twenty years in and out of various institutions while he mold over his future. He asked his parole officer her for permission to leave Los Angeles he wandered north to Berkeley California in the nineteen sixties. College campuses were exploding in protests against the war racial inequality and social injustice U._C.. Berkeley was at the center of radical protests after nineteen sixty four when students staged free speech demonstration that resulted in nearly eight hundred arrests and attracted the scorn of California Governor Ronald Reagan again at the same time the Haight Ashbury neighborhood in San Francisco was the epicenter of the counterculture movement a place where hippies experimented with drugs free love and communal life both the. Revolutionaries of Berkeley and the Flower Children of San Francisco received national attention young people everywhere were drawn to the unconventional lifestyle they'd seen on the news or read about in magazines by nineteen sixty seven the bay area was packed with Gurus fractures and revolutionaries and there was no shortage of impressionable young people ready to fall under the influence of an inspiring leader and so when Charles Manson arrived having trained under pimps and scientologists alike is future followers where ripe for the picking. We'll see how Charles collected his first family remembers after this either if you enjoy this episode on the Manson Family Search crimes of passion on spotify and give us a follow to find more episodes now back back to the story when thirty two year old Charles Manson arrived in San Francisco in nineteen sixty seven the summer of love was in full swing. Everyone who migrated to the city had come with one purpose to learn how to think in a new way Charles was happy to educate them twenty-three-year-old Mary. Brunner was like thousands of other young people who flocked to California for a chance at an exciting new life she worked in the U._C.. Berkeley Library and met Charles while he was hanging out around campus playing guitar. Mary had only recently moved to Berkeley from Wisconsin and she hadn't yet made any friends upon their first smeeting. Charles teased her trying to get a rise out of her. Her temper flared until she realized he was purposely trying to goad her then she laughed and dropped her guard Charles coaxed his way into her home and essentially became her freeloading houseguests very relationship wasn't immediately sexual but Charles would sometimes bring other women back to her apartment to sleep with them eventually they she became jealous of the other women in order to compete for Charles's affections. Mary began to sleep with him to Charles was happy to take Mary to bed though he didn't stop collecting other women like eighteen year world Lynette foamy linnet had a troubled history of drug abuse and self harm. She ran away from home after an argument with her father. Charles was naturally drawn to vulnerable people he could manipulate women who were desperate desperate to be loved when Charles Sullen net crying on the boardwalk. He stopped and told her she looked like she needed a friend. He easily persuaded her to come back with him to Berkeley Charles now had his second follower. He didn't stop there. Charles picked up another woman Pat Krenwinkel after enticing her away from the home she shared with her drug addicted sister. Then he added twenty year old Susan Atkins whose his life had taken a rough turns and she lost her mother to cancer five years prior. The women were thrilled to be part of Charles's grew hat wrote a letter to her father stating that for the very first time in my life I've I found contentment and peace Mary Lynette hat and Susan all projected vulnerabilities that made them susceptible to Charles's influence. Nearly all of them had troubled relationships Russian ships with their families and Charles validated the anger they felt about their unhappy home lives telling them they were correct to rebel against their parents. Nearly all of them had self esteem issues and Charles told them that they were pretty and desirable. These were women searching for comfort and Charles gave it but their attraction to Charles wasn't just about their own weaknesses. It was also about his magnetism Tim he knew how to turn on the charm and his followers loved the way he showered them with compliments. Charles was also older than most of these women by a decade. He used his age as an advantage or training himself as an experience sage. It was extra flattering to these women that someone they perceived to be so wise was willing to pay attention to them. Charles Philosophies were not particularly original but he was so charismatic rasmatic when spouting out a jumble of ideas drawn from the Bible Scientology and Beatles lyrics that people couldn't help listen he spoke with the confidence and authority that discouraged anyone from questioning him Charles also had the self awareness to hide some of his negative attributes for example. He was vehemently racist but he did not reveal the extent of his racism to the women in his group as far mistake. Tell Charles's way of life was all about feeling good letting go of inhibitions and purging bad feelings Charles told the women in his thrall that no matter what may have happened to them before they were special beautiful and blameless innocence. They loved hearing this and they loved him still win. Charles lost his temper he became violent when he wasn't pleased with the women he might punch them or pull their hair but like many abusers he always knew how to sweet talk them into forgiveness a classic perpetuation of the cycle of abuse this was only the heightened by their isolation from other relationships and their dependence on him in the study from Translational Psychiatry Journal Antisocial personality disorder is found in forty to seventy percent of prison populations in Cortex studies review psychologist. John Burke notes that many Colt leaders at the diagnostic criteria for antisocial personality disorder. Two of the most recognizable traits of the disorder are the desire to control others others in a tendency towards crash in a cult leader revealed these treats by demanding loyalty from followers and by doling out physical punishments to transgressors in the same article Burke described evidence of dependent didn't personality disorder among followers. These individuals are more likely to exhibit depression anxiety and feelings of powerlessness that makes them all the more likely to fall under the spell of an authority figure these these dynamics were certainly found within Charles Manson's burgeoning colts in late nineteen sixty seven bolstered by his flock of admirers Charles decided it was time to pursue his larger ambition of becoming a Rockstar Dr. Mary Brunner gave up her apartment in the bay area and the group decided to move to Los Angeles. Charles packed his followers into a V._W.. Minibus and set out to become famous in Los Angeles. The group stayed in a home known as the spiral staircase the owner of the house enjoyed being surrounded by interesting transients and he allowed many artists and eccentrics aboard their here. The group continued to to expand they met fourteen year old Diane Lake and lived in a nearby commune with her parents Diane Leader wrote that becoming part of the Manson's was like a raindrop joining puddle. I blended in easily. We my loneliness disappearing Charles used his existing followers to draw in more people were more willing to listen to his ideas. When they saw the he was already surrounded by an enraptured crowd the group group swelled to around twenty members mostly women and a few men they increase their numbers and other ways to Mary? Brunner got pregnant and in April of nineteen sixty eight gave birth to a son Valentine. Valentine Michael Manson Susan Atkins also became pregnant she would give birth and the fall of that year during the same period the country royal with discord Vietnam. Tom were protests dominated. The News President Lyndon Johnson announced that he would not seek reelection be assassination of Dr Martin Luther King Junior triggered riots and over one hundred cities but no matter matter what was happening around him Charles Manson remain myopically fixated on his own destiny his plans got an injection of energy when two of his followers met Beach Boys Drummer Dennis Wilson in Hollywood Wilson invited the young women to his house for milk and cookies and they spent an innocuous afternoon together after their snap Wilson excused himself to go to a recording session and the women left but Charles. I was thrilled when he heard about the encounter he demanded the women's show him the way back to Wilson's house. When Wilson returned he found Charles and his flock harding in his house Wilson was not one to turn down a good time so he let them stay over the next few days Wilson let Charles philosophize to him and found some of his ideas profound mike the Women Charles collected Dennis Wilson struggled struggled with feelings of emptiness and loneliness he had previously sought meaning and transcendental meditation but he was open to anyone who might have some answers and Charles was an expert at convincing people all he had wisdom to share for Charles's followers Wilson welcoming them into his home was just another example of their leaders? Magic Charles told them that he could make good things happen just by envisioning them he wanted a music career and a famous musician came into his life in reality he was just manipulating easy targets like Wilson into giving him the things he wanted but Charles is disciples. It really really seem like he was conjuring. Good fortune out of nothing they saw almost godlike power and it only made them clean Charles Moore that's summer Wilson introduced Charles to some of his industry contacts talent silence Gout Greg Jacobsen and producer Terry Melcher Charles trying to get in their good graces by encouraging them to sleep with their pick of his followers. None of the women objected as if they had much of a choice ace one of Charles's rules probably borrowed from the pence was that each woman had to let go of all her inhibitions and have sex with whomever Charles told her to if she couldn't do that he wasn't interested in keeping her around. If any of the women ever wavered Charles used other him tactics he'd guilt them into obeying questioning whether they really loved him while also instilling fear ear with the threat of a slap or beating Charles's manipulation tactics worked on both ends Wilson and his frequent visitors Greg Jacobsen and Terry Melcher were enticed by the offer of unlimited rule rule free sex and for the next few weeks the family became Wilson Semi Permanent Guests Jacobson even flirted with the idea of making a documentary film about the group while riding up a film proposal Eve referred to the group as the Family Charles like the label and the group adopted it Charles now had the attention of a wealthy benefactor and several music and film industry contacts but as the summer of nineteen sixty eight stretched on Charles still didn't have what he wanted a recording contract melcher seemed to have the most clout in this area so Charles kept trying to get closer to him he knew Melcher true lived in a secluded house on yellow drive and he often tried to score an invitation. The melcher always resisted keeping him at arm's length Melcher found Charles off pudding. He wasn't the kind kind of person who searched for spiritual advice or metaphysical answers but the Gregarious Dennis Wilson introduced Charles to plenty of other less self-assured people who found Charles Captivating Wilson like to invite all kinds of people to come hang out at his house even strangers he barely knew twenty one year old Charles Watson was one of these guests Watson was thrilled to be welcomed into the home of a famous musician like Dennis yes Wilson but he was even more impressed by Charles Manson and his Legion of Obedient women. The family accepted the young man into their cohort and gave him the nickname tex by the end of the summer. Wilson Wilson was tired of financially supporting the family. When the lease on his house ended he moved out and the family had to find new lodgings but family members sandy good had another suggestion for where they could stay? She had a friend who lived on a ranch in seamy valley. The property had once been used as a set and TV westerns but it was falling into disrepair. Charles convinced the ranch owner Charles Spawn to let his group moved there in in exchange for helping the old man with cleaning taking care of horses and whatever upkeep the property required and at the sprawling ranch the family continued to grow that Fall Charles came up with new strict strict rules to keep them in line for example he forbade the women from carrying money he didn't allow them to read books and he banned watches clocks and calendars but his followers were willing to put up with the rigid policies because the family gave them unconditional love and acceptance that they could never find the harsh outside world and if they didn't follow Charles's rules they'd be kicked out of the family ripped away from that supports system daily use of drugs like L._S._d.. Also help keep them docile. David Smith was a physician and addiction expert who founded the Haight Ashbury Free Clinic in northern California in the nineteen sixties Smith met Charles Manson and his followers in nineteen sixty seven while they were in the bay area two years later Smith studied the family at Spahn ranch and he even wrote a paper on the group in the Journal of Psychedelic drugs hugs prior to the families murder spree in recent years reflecting on the Manson family. Smith has written that we now know that drug infused mind control is a very real phenomenon amongst -ceptable youths Charles needed to use every tool he had to keep the groups focus and loyalty by the end of nineteen sixty eight he began to see ominous signs all around him. His followers noticed a change in him it it had always been a regular ritual Charles to preach to them through lectures or songs but that winter is daily sermons became less about love and more about the violent downfall of civilization now many of his lectures involved a coming race war and which black people would rise up and kill the white population according to Charles it was black people's turned to be in power after years of oppression Russian with these visions of violence Charles instill fear in his followers encouraging them to withdraw further from society and closer to him. The family had already found isolation at Spahn on ranch thirty five miles from downtown Los Angeles but Charles wanted to retreat even further away from civilization. One of the family members mentioned a place her grandparents owned and Death Valley called the Barker ranch. Charles thought this sounded like the perfect place to hide out during the coming Apocalypse Diane Lee was afraid she had joined the family at the age of fourteen because she wanted to be treated needed as an adult but to her that meant becoming Charlie's lover not as warrior still according to Charlie let shed was inevitable and they had to prepare for it. Don didn't know what to make of this latest rantings about race wars and uprisings. They were terrifying to be sure but Diane was certain that Charlie could protect them from whatever lay ahead what frightened her Moore was was that Charlie was acting differently. Just a few months earlier he'd been affectionate and playful. He showed love to all the women but Diana had believed he loved her best now. She no longer felt like a favorite favorite Charlie had withdrawn when she tried to bring out that warm side of Charlie he looked at her with contempt that more and more often erupted into violence and beatings only one thing seemed to improve Charlie's mood the thought of fleeing to the Desert Diane hope the change of scenery would fix things after all if it was what Charlie wanted it must be the right move. The whole family tracked out to Death Valley in October of nineteen sixty eight to scope out the property Charles got permission from the ranch owner to stay there but he soon realized that the group wasn't prepared for settlement they needed to stockpile food drugs knives and guns in order to make the ranch a suitable fortress Charles left a few members at the Barker ranch to keep watch while the rest of the family returned to Spahn ranch in Simi Valley over the next few months they started collecting whatever weapons they could get their hands on they stole Dune buggies and motorcycles from car lots and made alterations on the vehicles adding extra armor Moore and welding on Scabbard to hold firearms throughout all these preparations music still dominated Charles Dots. If he had any misgivings about his chaotic visions of the future they were put to rest in November. We're of nineteen sixty eight. When the Beatles released their latest album featuring their song helter skelter Charles seem to think the music was speaking directly to him all of it confirmed his dark predictions of of annihilation coming up we'll talk about Charles's interpretation of the white album and his increasingly erratic man's to his followers now back to the story after his release from prison in the fall of nineteen sixty seven thirty two year old Charles Manson used his charismatic personality and his masterful ability to manipulate people to amass a loyal cult following dubbed the family but by the fall of nineteen sixty eight charnel seemed to be steadily losing whatever grip he had on reality as the group squatted at the spahn ranch in Simi Valley Charles lectured his disciples about out the apocalypse and the family made preparations for the coming race wars Charleston that the black population would rise up to kill or enslave the White Race Charles told his followers that he planned to take them into a desert where they would crawl into a hole and hide from the violence during that time he said black people would hold all the power materials a white supremacist didn't think black people would be capable all of ruling the world so he predicted once they realized they did not have the skills to lead the family could emerge from hiding and be recognized as the rightful rulers of the planet shared delusions are rare her but when a shared delusional disorder does occur it usually happens among people who live close together often in isolation and with an intimate emotional connection Dr Ernest Charlotte xay was the first to identify the phenomenon he labeled fully ado which translates to the madness shared by two and fully famille or the madness shared by the family doctor La- zag sent that the inducer juicer creates delusions and imposes them on a passive individual who was not necessarily psychotic themselves but who is overly trusting and naive the family accepted Charles Prophecy not not only because they deferred to his word on everything but Charles also seemed to have proof he pointed to the Beatles release of the white album in November of nineteen sixty eight Charles said the lyrics and song titles was confirmed everything he predicted about the future blackbird was about black people rising against oppression hickeys referred to the corrupt people in power who deserve the extermination coming to them? Helter alter skelter was the term for the chaotic events that would ignite the race or and signal the end of the world beyond searching for greater truths and prophecies and the white album Charles thought that the songs wchs gave him more immediate practical advice in the song I will Charles took the lyrics your song will fill the air sing it loud so I can hear you to mean that he should not give up on his goal of becoming coming. A musician Charles had kept up his relationship with music producer Terry Melcher as best he could Melcher wasn't interested and indulging Charles's musical ambitions but he enjoyed visiting the Women Ed Spahn ranch and he recognized that even if Charles talents as a musician were middling there was something compelling about him that might warrant closer look so in March of nineteen sixty nine nine Melcher agreed to come out to on ranch to hear Charles. Play Charles was fanatical in the days leading up to the visit he and the woman he chose as backup singers rehearsed endlessly he had them perform a strip show to accompany the music trolls usually taught his disciples not to care about clothes or personal appearances but before Melchior's arrival he instructed his followers to buy material and Hanso oh him a fringed buckskin suit the family cleaned the ranch the best they could normally the family scrounged up meals from the dumpsters of grocery stores taking home any misshapen produce or food past the sell by date they could find in the trash but for Melcher Charles had the women whip up fresh baked goods and treats the group eagerly anticipated Melchior's arrival but on the agreed upon date Melcher didn't inch show Charles was furious in addition to his antisocial behavior he often demonstrated traits of typical narcissism including a fear of losing face licensed counselor Susanne degs white stated that narcissist is not able to tolerate any kind of public humiliation. Their egos can't handle the prospect of failure for the next few weeks weeks. Charles pulled away from the rest of the group and went on walks alone in the wilderness he had taught his followers to believe he was infallible. He hated for them to see him stumble. If they started to doubt his ability to become <hes> a great musician the might begin to doubt everything and then they might leave him. Charles couldn't bear the thought in addition to Meltzer's blow a month later police. Police raided the spahn ranch. They'd been tipped off that the group was in possession of stolen vehicles. Some of the family members were arrested. The charges were dropped within days because police could improve who had committed the thefts Jeff's even so Charles was rattled by the thought of the law interfering with his family a few days after the raid family member Tex Watson had a powerful negative reaction to some Hallucinogenic Bella Donna route during this episode he wandered around Van Nuys sometimes crawling on his hands and knees and emitting high pitched beeps until police arrested him for public intoxication when he returned to Spahn ranch after his release be other members of the family noted that he seemed different the twenty one year old had been a friendly mellow addition to the group after his bad trip he he became snap ish and edgy some studies indicate that hallucinogens can cause long-term or even permanent personality changes however most people reported positive changes such as decreasing Zaidi but tex felt like the drugs made him paranoid and destructive after the succession of dark events the family was granted a new ray of hope Terry Melcher made another promise to come and see Charles perform on May Eighteenth Nineteen sixty-nine Melcher came to spahn Ranch Charles. Let on the best show he could military listened politely after it was over he gave Charles name a friend who recorded tribal music. He thought the friend Might Find Charles is music more interesting than he handed Charles Fifty dollars and left the audition was over. Uh It wasn't exactly a brush off but it wasn't a recording contract. Either Still Charles would not give his followers any reason to doubt his success to save face. He told them that the fifty dollars was a signing bonus rather than the act of charity it likely was but the rejection clearly stung and Charles's moods turn darker he began to contemplate how we might take revenge on Melchor. It was also around this time that Charles sent his followers on excursions. He called creepy crawling dressed in black. The family snuck into random house's late at night while the occupants slept there they would misplace items and rearrange the furniture. It was a power trip thinking about how the homeowners would wake up and realize the intrusion had taken place without them knowing Charles Charles did not direct the group to commit acts of violence during these creepy crawling missions but he did ask them to carry knives at all times. These missions were all part of the group's training he wanted them to overcome their fears of of getting caught and to learn to move around silently and without detection this would be important. He told them once helter skelter began they also started preparing to return to Barker ranch in death valley but Charles was still worried about food and weapon shortage. They needed to raise some fast cash. Tex Watson had a plan to do so he would pretend to be a drug dealer and arranged to sell twenty five kilos of marijuana to a perspective buyer tex didn't actually have the drugs but he had a buyer willing to give him the money up front tax figured he could get the money and then disappear before the buyer realized he'd been cheated but the buyer who went by the nickname lots of papa easily traced text back to the Spahn ranch and the family when lots of Papa called demanding his drugs Charles told him that he didn't know where tax was lots of Papa replied that he was a member of the Black Panthers and if he didn't get his drugs or his money back he and his comrades would come to the Spahn ranch and murder the family family lots of Papa wasn't actually a Black Panther but Charles believed the threat. He asked one of the male members of the Family Thomas T._J.. Wallman to accompany him to lots of poppas apartment. Charles grabbed a twenty two caliber revolver to take with them and gave T._J.. Specific instructions Charles would stuff the gun in the back of his pants and T._J.. Would enter the apartment behind him. When Charles gave the signal he expected T._J.? To grab the gun and shoot lots of Papa once they were in the apartment teaching locked eyes with Charlie. He knew that he was supposed to grab the gun but he couldn't didn't help hesitating. He thought lots of Papa would be alone instead. He had two guys with him T._J.. Like things to be simple and hear things were becoming complicated but Charlie wasn't phased by the extra men. He ignored them and nodded at T._J.. The signal for him to shoot T._J.'s hand twitched. He knew that when Charlie gave an order he had to obey that was the deal he'd signed up for when he joined the family he had surrendered his individual to the greater whole he truly believed that he was no longer his own person and that his body was under Charlie's control when Charlie wilt him to shoot T._J.. Expected is body to comply but to T._J.'s horror he didn't shoot. He froze when T._J.. Failed to shoot lots of Papa Napa Charlie grabbed the gun himself and shot the drug dealer in the chest. Lots of Papa elapsed as T._J.. And Charles fled they returned to spawn ranch where Charles bragged everyone that he just taken down a Black Panther. He explained that he had done it for their sakes to protect them. Meanwhile T._J.. was so terrified by his failure to obey Charles that he fled the ranch fearing for his life life. It was a signal to all of them. Charlie had shown them what it meant to be a member of the family if they wanted to remain part of the grew they had to be ready to kill in the coming weeks. Many of them would prove how ready they were to comply. Thanks again for tuning into our crimes of passion summer of sixty nine special. We will be back Wednesday with part two of the Manson family story. We'll discuss the infamous murders that took place on August eighth an night one thousand nine hundred sixty nine as well as the police investigations and trials that followed if you enjoyed this episode checkout park has continued retrospective into the summer of sixty nine from July twenty second through August ninth the summer of Sixty Nine will feature twenty three special episodes across sixteen different podcasts covering everything from Vietnam War protests to the Zodiac killer be sure to check it out on our new podcast presents feet on spotify or anywhere you listen to podcasts several of you have asked how to help us if you enjoy the show. The best way to help is to leave a five star review and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at podcast and and twitter at podcast network. We'll see you next time when true love meets true crime crimes of passion was created by Max Color as a production of cutler media and is part of the podcast network.

Melcher Charles Charles Manson Charles Papa Napa Charlie Charles Moore Charles Mills Manson Tex Watson Charles Philosophies Charles Sullen Charles Dell Terry Melcher Charles spahn Ranch Charles Las Angeles Charles Fifty Charles Spawn Charles Captivating Wilson Charles Dots Charles Prophecy spotify Spahn ranch
Helter Skelter Special Part 2

Cherry Avenue True Crime Podcast

31:59 min | 9 months ago

Helter Skelter Special Part 2

"Today's podcast is presented by pod go bad go is the easiest way for you to monetize your podcast providing podcasters with a flat rate for ad space. So you always know how much you get home you include an ad from pod go apply today to become a member and immediately be connected with advertisers that fit your audience that spot go home and be sure to add our podcast in the how did you hear about pug go section of the application? Welcome back to Cherry Avenue True Crime podcast. This is part two of a two-part episode helter-skelter Special. Today's episode contains details of extremely violent murders and other assaults listener discretion is strongly advised. The day after the murders on Cielo drive a couple of people from the family were watching the news on T in a trailer. They saw the people that were murdered the night before were famous. People Van Houten asked Patricia krenwinkel to tell her more about it. Van Houten said in an interview many years later to think that she was strong enough in her belief to be able to go and kill em, she said she wanted to do it to the next day man. Some gathered a larger group Tex Watson Susan Atkins Patricia, krenwinkel, Leslie Van Houten Steve Grogan, who was then she called Clem and Linda Kasabian Charlie went with them and he told them where to go Manson went up to the door of the labiancas house with a gun. He forced his way in and tied up the labiancas off telling them. It was just a robbery and he wasn't going to hurt them Charlie went back to the car and told them to go in and do what text told them to be then spoke to tax and told him to make sure dead. Everybody did something. Watson krenwinkel and Van Houten went in Friendly go went into the kitchen and got knives for her and Van Houten Watson was armed with a Bayonet. Text all the girls to take mrs. Labianca into the bedroom Van Houten took a pillowcase from the bed and put it over Rosemary's head. She unplugged the lamp next to the bed and wrapped the cord around the pillowcase Rosemary could hear Leno crying out in the living room as he was getting stabbed. The lamp was still attached to the court and rosemary swung the lamp cord with the lamp in Leslie's direction of an outage knocked the lamp out of her hands and rustled her down krenwinkel stabbed her but hit the collarbone the knife blade bent. Van Houten ran out into the hallway to call Tex Watson went into the bedroom and both he and Van Houten stabbed Rosemary. Labianca, Rosemary. Labianca was stabbed 41,000. Meanwhile krenwinkel was out in the living room stabbing Leno in the abdomen with the carving Fort seven times. Then she stabbed him twelve times with a knife. She was the one to carve War into his abdomen Watson and krenwinkel took showers at the labianca house after the murders. Van Houten drink chocolate milk from out of the refrigerator Helter Skelter was written on the refrigerator with blood but it was misspelled Hilter Skelter h a t a l t e r Leno had a pillowcase over his head as well when the coroner's office took the pillowcase off. They found he had a knife stuck in his neck that went completely through the handle sticking out of one side and the blade out of the other. In the news and on T. The labianca murders were at first being called the copycat murders Hollywood was buying firearms and other forms of production such as guard dogs after first-choice murders and then the lobby Bianca murders Leno labianca was a well-respected family man. He had been married before Rose and had a daughter from that marriage still his daughter Louise said she was a good man and a good father pasqualino Antonio labianca was born in Los Angeles California to Italian immigrant parents. He was called Leno by his family his father Antonio owned to grocery businesses Gateway Ranch markets and state Wholesale grocery company Leno graduated from Franklin High School a year early. He was also a star on his school track team earning him the nickname flash Leno served in the Army and fought in World War Two in nineteen fifty-one. Leno was elected to the board of directors and was named vice president job. Gateway markets and state Wholesale grocery company after his divorce Leno decided to sell the wholesale business that he had inherited from his father and focus on the expansion of Gateway markets. He also graduated from USC with a degree in finance in nineteen fifty-eight labianca met Rosemary while she was working as a waitress the two fell in love and were married in nineteen sixty in Carmel, California Rosemary. Labianca was Leno second wife it seemed they had a special marriage. She was pretty and stylish his daughter from his first marriage said that she thought Rose and her dad were very good friends Rosemary labianca was born in Arizona her birth name was Ruth Katherine Elliott after her parents divorced Rosemary's mother found. She couldn't support her children and they were placed in a home and put up for adoption Ruth was adopted at age eight by a couple who had lost their daughter to an illness. They changed Roost name to Rosemary, which had birth First daughter's name Rosemary was married once before Leno and had two children from her first marriage. August 16th 1969 LA County Sheriff rated spawn Ranch at 6 a.m. They had a warrant to investigate auto theft Manson was the last person arrested him hiding in a crawl space under a building. They took everyone in but eventually all were released because they could not determine who was responsible for the two cars stolen that they had a warrant for. The authorities did not die together the labianca murders with the tape Murders At First and they did not tie Gary hinman's murder to either of them. A detective on the Hinman murder case called the LAPD to tell them he had a murder that he was investigating in Topanga Canyon and he thought there were similarities. He pointed out that Gary Hinman had been killed and then a little piggy had been written in blood at the crime scene. They apparently didn't want to hear it or thought it was unlikely that it was related. Speculation had gone crazy on the Cielo Drive murders. It was incredibly odd to have seemingly random murders committed in such a brutal way in exclusive neighborhood then add in how many people were murdered. This wasn't all by gunshots were one or two Intruders would come in and just shoot them. All these people were viciously murdered up close with knives and other weapons. He would think it would take more than one or most probably more than two to do this. There were many theories that they would have to consider. Because of the horror movie that Roman Polanski did called Rosemary's Baby there was even a theory it was devil worshippers looking at how horrific the crime scene was that wasn't some far-fetched idea the newspaper and TV news theories were endless. Of course, the news was speculation of murders being related to drugs as these were movie people and famous people and even a Harris Roman gave a news conference to try and put an end to the speculation. He said Sharon did not do drugs drink or even smoke cigarettes. He was very hurt by the horrible things written about his wife Roman became a detective in his grief. He wanted to know who was responsible for his wife's and his baby's death after the rated spawn Ranch. The family went back out to the desert a pull up. The girls started sharing what they had done. They told the stories as if proud for what they had done for Charlie Susan Atkins told them how share and had begged for the life of her baby. The other girls did not know about this and they were shocked they were shocked how easily they talked about doing it. They didn't seem bothered that they had done such violent horrendous murders. They told the birth family members they did it for Charlie. Charlie told them to some who thought about leaving before this were now afraid to leave knowing what they knew two of the girls did decide to go though. This wasn't the loving Gangnam that they had signed up for they laid down to sleep further away from everyone. So no one would hear them after they went to sleep. They waited to be sure everyone was asleep and then started walking dead. They headed up to the top of a wash and walked along there about an hour into their walk. They saw that the dune buggies had been started up and they were out looking for the girls and June buggies couldn't go up to the top of the wash, but they were still very scared. They were eventually able to find a road and got lucky when the sheriff was driving by. At some point in the desert during this time text had left no one knew where he had gone. In interviews in the documentary helter-skelter on Epix. One of the other girls said she had wanted to leave but there was nowhere to go for her. Two other male family members left with the gold miner at first the minor was just staying at a small cabin on the ranch in the desert and he hired the two guys from the family to help him go out mining each day while they were out mining this minor talked to them about the craziness of what they were believing and eventually they were ready to go with him instead of Charlie. That was their way out. Not too long after these followers went away the sheriff descended on their hide out in the desert. They loaded up the ones that were left in the pickup trucks. Charlie again was one of the last found hiding in a small van a cabinet under a bathroom sink. They were under arrest for burning the road grader that was out in the desert and had blocked their way. Susan was at first in jail with all the other girls, but then it was discovered. She had a warrant out for her arrest and she was moved to l a while until she gets talking to one of her cellmates song ends up telling her all about the Tate murders and that she was there this led to all of those involved being investigated. It starts to come out in the news how Manson is the leader and most likely The Mastermind in the killings Atkins was indicted in her picture was everywhere in the news as she was the first to tell the story and she readily admitted. She participated in the murders took a lawyer put out a statement that she was hypnotized. She often looked like she was enjoying the attention of the cameras. She smiled at the news men and women and had some indiscernible quips. Authorities were at the ranch looking for evidence of other murders. They thought the family might be involved in. One was Donald shorty Shea a movie stuntman who had met them when he was filming at the ranch. He had a disagreement with Manson and he was missing turns out Charlie thought that she had been the way to turn them in for car theft for which they had all been arrested. The first time the word was that he had been killed and then buried out in the desert Leslie Van Houten and Patricia krenwinkel were also offer dated along with Manson and tex Watson Linda Kasabian was five months pregnant at the time of the indictments. Tex Watson was born Charles Watson Manson gave him the nickname tax tax was well-liked in his small Hometown in Texas. He played High School football and taught Sunday school at copeville Methodist Church. Everyone thought he would do. Well when he grew up Watson was born in Farmersville, Texas on December 2nd, nineteen forty-five and grew up in nearby home till he was the youngest of three children in high school. He was an honor student and an athlete. He also worked as the editor on the school paper in 1964. He attended the University of North Texas where he became a member of Pi Kappa Alpha fraternity. He discovered drugs and college and eventually left without completing his education. Patricia krenwinkel was born on December 3rd 1947 in Los Angeles, California to an insurance salesman father and a homemaker mother. She attended University High School and then went to Westchester High School both in the Los Angeles area. Patricia was often bullied at school by other students suffering from low self-esteem and was frequently teased for being a wait after graduating high school. She considered becoming a nun she decided to attend a Jesuit college, but within one semester Patricia dropped out and moved back to California. She met Charles Manson in Manhattan Beach in nineteen sixty-seven along with Lynette Fromme and Mary Brunner in later interviews, krenwinkel stated that she had sex with Manson the first night she met and that he was the first person who told her she was beautiful Susan Denise Adkins was born on May 7th 1948 in San Gabriel, California. She was the second of three children by her parents were alcoholics her mother died when she was fifteen and her father then abandoned the family she dropped out of high school to support herself and moved by herself to San Francisco in early 1967 while staying with friends Susan Atkins met Charles Manson and by summer they were all on a road trip. Leslie Van Houten was born on August 23rd 1949 in the Los Angeles suburb of Alta Dena. She grew up in a middle-class church-going family along with an older brother and two adopted siblings her mother and father divorced when she was fourteen at Seventeen. She became pregnant and was forced by her mother to undergo an abortion Manhattan's mother years later informed her that the procedure could not be called an abortion as the fetus was too mature. She instructed the girl to bury the late-term aborted baby in their backyard. Van Houten said after the she felt very distant with her mother and Harvard intense anger toward her. Authorities were looking for the bloody clothes that the family members were wearing that night after the murders Manson had told them to take the clothes to change into and they had done that. News reporters found the bloody clothes laying down the hill where the killers had thrown them out the window of the car as they were driving away a gun was also found but months after the killing off wasn't linked to The Killing until many months after it was found. A journalist went out to spawn Ranch and talked to some of the family members who were still there. He got the story about the race Wars and the supposed message from the Beatles about Helter Skelter. He wrote a book called 5 to die and got it out. Just a few months before the trial then in the trial the motive for the killings was said to be the upcoming race horse that Charlie was predicting and that he got the idea from the Beatles album The prosecution did not have to prove what the motive was for the killings just that they did it. Manson during trial and in days leading up to the trial interacted with the press and made quips to them whenever he was being led to and from Court rooms and the cameras were on him. He carved an x on his forehead and had the scab scar during all of this a lawyer said it was a symbolic gesture to say that he had except himself out of society at Large. Some of the girls also X their own foreheads and sat outside the Hall of Justice in support of Charlie. Some said that Charlie was The Puppetmaster even in jail. He had Sandy good and Squeaky Fromme talking for home saying all the good things about him. Ivor Davis journalist who wrote the book five to die was there on the first day of trial and he saw a Squeaky Fromme and she knew who he was and that he had written the book which did not say good things about Charlie. He said that she asked him. Do you know what it feels like to have a sharp knife slipped down your throat. He went right into the courthouse and called his wife and told her to take his one-year-old daughter and leaves house until further notice Linda Kasabian testified against Charlie in his trial. She said she was a lookout during the murders. She was only Twenty-One and already a mother of two. She had only been with the family about a month before the murders the prosecution give her a tentative offer of immunity if she would say on the stand and tell everything that she knew God by this time Susan Atkins had withdrew her previous testimony and denied everything she said before so there was no one from inside the group testifying against Charlie or the others. Linda Kasabian testified to being eyewitness to two of the murders. She said that she and three of the others had just climbed over the fence of the house on Cielo drive when Tex Watson shot a man in a car who was driving out of the driveway. She stayed outside and the rest went into the house. She heard screams coming from inside the house and saw people running out. She stated that was all unbelievably horribly terrible. She saw Watson stabbing one man on the lawn near the house. She also saw Patricia krenwinkel with a knife chasing a woman across the lawn Kasabian change when shown a photo of Stephen parent the teenager who had been shot in his car Kasabian said he had begged not to be hurt. Barbara void left the Barker Ranch sometime after the murders after the family learned that she was going to testify she got death threats from Gypsy and Sandy squeaky and Clem almost daily with Barbara Boyd testified that Susan Atkins had said Sharon Tate came out and said what's going on here or something like that and Susan said back to her. Shut up woman Barbara also said that Sharon was the last to die and had to watch the others go first. Tex Watson had managed to avoid extradition from Texas to California for nearly a year. His lawyer said he couldn't get a fair trial California eventually did have to come back to California for trial but it was after Manson and the girls were tried Gypsy real name Catherine share with Charlie told her to go to Beverly Hills Hotel and to intimidate the lead prosecutor who was staying there. She stood outside his hotel room window with a king snake wrapped around her when he came out. She asked him if he wanted to pet her snake. The defendants in the Manson trial had to be removed from the courtroom repeatedly and put in a room with speakers so they could still hear the trial going on. Manson himself had a complete meltdown and jumped up on the table in front of the judge while wielding a sharp and number two pencil. He told the judge somebody ought to cut your head off man. He started out by injecting the opening testimony saying to the judge you are trying to use this courtroom to kill me. You want me dead the judge told Manson to be quiet. He ordered him to be quiet or he would have him removed. The minute I see you are going to kill me. You know, what I'm going to do said Manson the judge said know, what are you going to do? Manson jumped up on the council table with a pencil and yelled. Mm. How about this? How about his head should be cut off and then he said I will have you removed if you don't stop I have a little system of my own said Manson, he then hurled himself in the money towards the judge the bailiff tackled him in mid-air. The judge said let the record reflect that mister Manson has made a lunge for the bench and is now being subdued by the deputies Manson and the girls were moved to another room with a loud speaker. So they could look up the trial as it continued. The prosecutor had other Witnesses who had been at Spahn Ranch come in to testify they talked about Helter Skelter & Charlie's prophecy that there would be a race war Terry Melcher testified wage. He was the one who had rented the house before Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski. He thought Manson was looking for him and sent the killers to that house for him. He testified that he never offered Manson a recording contract and had thought the music was just average. Brooks Poston and Paul Watkins had left the family while in the desert and started to work for the Gold Miner they both testified for the prosecution as well. While still under Charlie spell Brooks had been told by Charlie to sneak into the sheriff's home and cut his throat post and said that he did not do as Charlie wished. Paul Watkins testified about hearing Charlie talked often about killing Rich whites in the suburbs and making it look like blacks had done it Diane Lake a former family member was scared to testify life scared. She would hear Charlie and he would intimidate her but she was okay and she didn't see him the way that she used to anymore. Manson address the court for 1 hour without notes. The jury was not present. It was said to be like a dissertation about his life. He did say at one point that he had killed no one and that he had ordered. No one to be killed. After this the judge said they would bring in the jury and said maybe Manson wanted to say something to them. He said he had already said it he was not going to testify and he told the girls not to testify off right after the prosecution and the defense rested their case Leslie Van Houten. Lawyer. Ron Hughes disappeared. He had been heard to say that maybe Leslie's caves should be separated from the rest of the families now Manson and the girls were having their trial together, but Tex Watson was not there yet. They were still trying to extradite him. So it was just Manson girls But when Manson heard about the separating of Leslie's case, he became angry Leslie had not been at both murder scenes. She was only at the labianca murder and there was some debate as to how much she participated in those murders four months after Ronald Hughes disappeared. His body was found in a river the attorney who went in to take his place was going to go in and ask for a mistrial for Van Houten when Court opened though a scuffle took place between the girls and the matrons Leslie Van Houten was refusing to have the new guy as her attorney. She refused to sit down in the courtroom and she hit the bailiffs Manson attorney Irving generic went on talking for five days with his summation to the jury. It was 42 hours of deliberation before the jury gave the verdict. Susan Atkins, Patricia, krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten smiled and talked to each other Charles Manson smiled. Then the verdicts were read California conspiracy off. Any member of a conspiracy was equally guilty of any crimes committed by his co-conspirators. Charlie was the obvious head of the conspiracy and that is how he was found guilty on all counts of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder. The girls were all found guilty as well. The jurors then had to continue to be sequestered for the penalty phase of trial to decide life or death sentences in nineteen seventy. There was still a death penalty in California Los Manson shaved his head and then the girls shaved their heads Manson also turned the X on his forehead into a swastika. Charlie gave the girls emission they were going to testify and confess and say that Charlie had nothing to do with it Gypsy Catherine share was in jail at the time and one of the girls from the family when a visit her. She put a piece of paper up to the glass and said that she needed to testify and this is what she needed to say. It said read every word. Charlie is going to be in the courtroom not listening to every word you dig Charlie always used to say to them you dig. In the testimonies from the three convicted girls during the penalty phase. They changed their stories from what really happened to blame each other and themselves, but not Charlie so that they could save his life dead. The jury decided on the death penalty the judge gave Charles Manson Susan Atkins Patricia krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten. The sentences. He said for seven senseless deaths some members from the family went to visit Charlie squeaky was one of them squeaky gave asset to the group that was left and told them that Charlie wanted them to show the world how much they loved him. They started around the area of whisky a go-go The Whisky a go-go is an iconic nightclub where many famous rock band started out its near West Hollywood. They crawled all the way from San Diego go to the courthouse. There is film footage of the five of them on the Epix documentary helter-skelter twenty-twenty. They were crawling on the sidewalks and the people all around them looking at them or pointing to them. Catherine shares the police just checked them to see if they had Warren's she was glad she had warrants out for traffic tickets and they took her and Mary Brunner in but the other dog had to keep crawling on. She said that it was okay at first with the acid kicking in but then it became excruciating physically and to be crawling on that cement and four so far. The Manson family was most definitely a cult the kids thought they were in love and peace type family or commune but it was ran like a cult and the people in it had the cult-like devotion. They have loved and complete acceptance at first the love and acceptance from the leader is not conditional like it is in the outside world. At least at first then there is isolation from the outside world. No news or media type influence. Just the leaders influence. No books, except the Bible Charlie goes over the Bible with them. So they know how to interpret it according to him then after a long while there's a period of being treated badly by the leader weather forced sexual encounters belittling someone or physically hurting someone so then the individual is thinking whether consciously or not that they want to get back to that place where they were getting the unconditional acceptance and feelings of love that they were getting before so they are desperate for it and are willing to do anything to get that back to get back to that Tex Watson was eventually tried and was found guilty of seven counts of Murder in the first degree and conspiracy to commit murder. He was sentenced to death dead. All in prison. He became an ordained minister. Bobby bussola was convicted of murder in the first-degree for killing of Gary heinemann and sentenced to death. In 1972, California Supreme Court ruled that the death penalty was unconstitutional. Stephen Grogan Clem was convicted of murder in the first-degree for the death of Donald shorty Shea in nineteen seventy-seven. He told authorities where Shorty's body was. He was released from prison in nineteen eighty five five. Mary Brunner got immunity for the involvement in Gary Hinman Murder By becoming a witness for the prosecution Patricia krenwinkel is still in prison. Susan Atkins died in prison in 2009 Leslie Van Houten had a retrial and was given Seven Years to Life on January 30th 2019 during her second parole hearing van hit Van Houten was recommended for parole for the third time. But in June 2019 Governor Gavin Newsom overruled the parole board's recommendation claiming the sixty nine year old Van Houten was still a danger to society and had potential for future violence. She appealed the decision in 2020. She was denied parole again. Charles Manson died in prison in 2017 in the early 1980s Steven K who had worked for the prosecution in the trial teamed up with Sharon Tate's mom Doris long as he Van Houten had somehow managed to get over nine hundred signatures on a petition for her parole together Steven K and Sharon Tate's mom Doris collected over three hundred and fifty thousand signatures supporting them denial of Perl Dora state became a vocal advocate for victims rights for the rest of her life. She campaigned against the parole of each of the Manson killers. Roman Polanski gave away all of his possessions after the murders unable to Bear any reminders of the. That. He called the happiest I ever was in my life took remained in Los Angeles until the killers were arrested in 1979. His film tests was dedicated to Sharon. A quote from Polanski since Sharon's death and despite appearances to the contrary. My enjoyment of life has been incomplete in moments of unbearable personal tragedy some people find Solace and religion in my case. The opposite happened any religious faith. I had was shattered by Sharon's murder it reinforced my faith in the Absurd bird. A separate note. I am aware of the controversy in Roman polanski's Life years after this happened, but I feel it has no place here. I wanted to represent the people as who they were were then when this happened as well as soon after or at least as best as I could based on the information I was able to attain The main sources for this two-part episode are as follows. The main source was the brand new Helter Skelter episode documentary that came out in 2020. It's available on Xbox FX. I'm not sure if it'll be available somewhere else sometime soon, but it's definitely worth watching. It's I believe it's six parts. So it's very long and there's a lot of detail and it really took brings you back to that time. What was going on and a lot of interesting information? Another one was Wikipedia, of course always using Wikipedia for lots of different fact. All that's interesting. Com slash authors Gina tomorrow all that's interesting. Com. Will Jack Folk House Key by Natasha. All that's interesting., Gary Hinman by Katie, Serena. And Jeff guinn author of Manson The Life and Times of Charles Manson mainly as he was interviewed in the epics documentary. Thank you for listening and always be safe.

Charles Watson Manson Van Houten Charlie murder Manson Charlie Susan Atkins Patricia krenwinkel Tex Watson Sharon Tate Gary hinman Rosemary labianca California Leslie Van Houten Steve Grogan Van Houten Los Angeles California Van Houten Watson Roman Polanski Leno Linda Kasabian spawn Ranch