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1364 Don't Let Your Horse Duck Into The Center of the Arena, by Omega Alpha Equine

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1364 Don't Let Your Horse Duck Into The Center of the Arena, by Omega Alpha Equine

"This is the Horse Radio Network greetings. Everyone coach Jan here. And thanks for tuning into horse tip daily episode thirteen sixty four where Christie land. Where and Terry Williams talk about dealing with a horse who likes to duck into the center of the Arena? A favorite among crafty school horses. This tip is an expert from the monthly certified Horsemanship Association episode on Horses in the morning. And it's brought to you today by Omega Alpha Omega Alpha specializes in natural formulations for enhancing equine health and performance and they know how much personality and behavior can factor in the quality of our relationship whether we're an Olympic level competitor or modest weekend warrior. That's why they've created three different all natural formulas to help us get the most out of our horse to human relationship. Chill liquid formulated especially for horses. With pre-performance jitters chill ultra paste with the added benefits of B one and magnesium and premier the hormone balancer for which he mayors. And you know who you are. Look for all of Omega Alpha's all natural formulas at your local tack and feed supplier or you can visit them online at Omega Alpha Equine Dot Com. What do you specifically like to do to help those writers whose horses to drop their shoulders and dive into the middle of the arena? And I tell you I got one of those. It's called the lesson horse right. Let's go see the instructor in the center. I don't WanNa do this anymore. The Rail I think dropping your shoulder I mean I find that one of the easiest ones to correct. You know with the students that I've had Basically have to develop an inside leg for one thing When we start teaching riders tend to ride with the outside rein and we forget about the inside liked. Keep the horse on the rail and also by riding outside leg your predisposing him to drop in that shoulder So an instructor you know of students that have shown you always say ride your corners. Ride your corners. Well a lot of people. Don't define what that is the when the horse drops a He's putting all his weight on his inside shoulder and actually he can come in like decide which is another issue in itself. But we're just GONNA do withdrawing shoulder. I So usually if you watch the watch the rider riding Look at the horses that dropped their shoulders a lot of times. You'll see the rider dropped her shoulder so the writer off way too. So the fixed the rider first of all you have to step into the outside stirrup a little more in the corners. Make sure the inside legs on the corner and then to keep the horse from dropping the shoulder you just lifted inside rain and how I was taught what you think about listening towards her outside shoulder which is an extreme visual. It's not quite that far. It's more like an indirect brain and then you ride your corner so basically you're picking up a shoulder every time you come to the corner now the other problem that you said it's a separate problem the running into the centers because when we teach we tend to bring the horses the center when you're done So as an instructor you should be stopping them. Different places like even stop them on the rail at the end of the lesson that I'll put having them come in or if you're teaching where you have part of the class on the inside you know sitting in the inside that's just predisposing you to teach the horse to come in. 'cause they're hurting animal. They WANNA be with other horses. The when I teach in a group riding lessons I don't usually have my horses in the center. I have those horses on the rail and I had ryder that. I'm working with more individually riding on the inside. You might have three to four horses on the rail when person tracking onto inside the fix. The Problem. That people on the rail to but basically. It's a lack of that inside leg weather diving in. That's a wrap. Thank you again to Omega Alpha for sponsoring the show you can find them online at Omega Alpha Dot Com. You can find lots more tips at horse. Daily Dot Com go there. We have over thirteen hundred of them. This is coach. Jen and I will be back again soon with another tip so until then go ride your horse. The Horse Radio Network and the radio network hosts are not responsible for statements paid by guests on the horse tip daily. Please use your own judgment when listening to the tips on this show guys. Thanks for sticking around for the after the credits barn. Hack to keep your hose in the water trough. One of their favorite things to do is take it out. It seems you can tie it to the vertical post nearby. You can use a large spring. Clamp from the hardware store clamped to the side of the trough or to the fence. You can also tie a string betwixt the hose and a heavyweight which is submerged in said. Troughed try this one. Toss a few things that float into the water trough rubber duckie's come on some horses. Just WanNa play with something and my favorite one of all is try. Putting a recirculating fountain style pump made for small ponds in your water trough. I say small because they come in all sizes. And you don't want to have a Geyser. You just want to have the water moving around and perhaps with a gentle bubbling spring popping out over the top. Fyi keep an eye on your horses because there are a few horses in the universe that will positively refuse to drink out of a trough that has moving water but has been my experience that most horses actually prefer it. Best of luck.

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Episode 1: Cluttered

CounterClock

35:37 min | Last month

Episode 1: Cluttered

"Someone Fatally Stabs Stacy Stanton inside her apartment on February third. This was violent brutal. On February Third Nineteen Ninety someone brutally murdered twenty eight year old Stacey Stanton inside of her second story apartment in North Carolina. Then cleaned up and disappeared residents of manual have lived in fear. For Thirty Years Stanton's killer has had one face and one name North Carolina investigators in manual police. Believe that someone is Clifton Spencer. But his prejudice they absolutely have tunnel vision that it was the black man who killed the white woman keeping an innocent man convicted. They will know NASA old. Good old. Man there. And covering up more than one crime. For that guy I just really serves lake. Did. This is counterclockwise the investigation into the murder of. Stacey Stanton. I'm your host Delia Dan. A small speck of land floating along the Outer Banks of North Carolina called Roanoke Island is where my investigations stops to give you an idea of the area we're talking about roanoke island is really small. It's only about eight miles long from end to end and it's where I grew up. If you listen to season one, you'll know we're talking about a place about twenty five minutes from Kill Devil Hills and other towns in the outer banks like nags head in Kittyhawk. Highway US sixty four cuts through roanoke island and actually cuts it in half. It's the main road right through the center of the town of Mayo. The town's roughly fourteen hundred residents live on streets that for the most part branch off of sixty four most people live in the official township of Manlio or somewhere just outside the town limits. Like my family's home, for example, it's just outside the town limits but everything on this island is so close that if you live anywhere on the island, you just say your many. Oh, not from the beach not from the mainland just manigault. It can get boring being surrounded by water with the one saving grace is the downtown. Waterfront. This area is like the hub of everything. There's a few restaurants, bars, government buildings, shops, and of course, water access. Every street from the main road leading into downtown has a historic name. They're all associated with the islands claim to fame being the site of the first English colony in America. English settlers landed on the north end of Roanoke island in the fifteen hundreds and became known as what's called the lost colony because one day they just all disappeared and to this day, no one really knows what happened to them. Downtown streets are related to figures in that story. For example, there's Queen Elizabeth Street while we all know her then there Sir Walter, Raleigh Street named after the explorer and the settlers. Next is Anan is Dare Street that's named after the guy who fathered the first English child born in America. It's history that that draws a lot of people to the island every year, and with the Taurus comes the need for service industry workers. The parasail instructors, boat captains, bed, and breakfast operators, and of course, waiters and waitresses. In one thousand nine, hundred, Eighty, seven Elizabeth Stacey Stanton who everyone just called Stacey moved from Northfield New Jersey to the town of mania she was working as a waitress and part-time hairdresser. She was twenty five years old and knew the area. Well, she'd been vacationing on the outer banks since she was a kid and her family had some distant relatives who lived in Mankato. Stacey knew she can make good money waitressing in summertime enough that she probably wouldn't even have to work for a few months in the winter when things slowed down. That's how the industry sort of goes the outer banks. You make a ton of money when the weather's warm than everything closes from January to late March than it all starts up again in the spring. After. Leaving New Jersey Stacey moved into a second story two bedroom apartment at five, zero six and and I dare street in downtown. Some of our family friends rented the unit tour and it was the perfect spot because it was walking distance to the Duchess of Deir restaurant the diner she was working at. When I say you could walk for where Stacey live to the duchess literally you could and she often did her front door was seven minutes from the diner. The building where the diner used to be isn't standing anymore a businessman gutted and remodeled it into a wedding reception hall called One Zero Eight Buddy. that. Venue is now sort of a landmark in downtown. But back in nineteen ninety, the Walker family who built it was running the diner they hired stacy and they couldn't have been happier to have a working for them. To get a better idea of what it was like at the diner and what it was like working with. Stacy I got in touch with a man named Carl Walker. Well mother she owned the Duchess Dare and downtown man you. Eventually took it over and we will there for over fifty some years. From. The time his parents opened the diner in the Nineteen Thirties Carl says the duchess of dare was always a center point of downtown and he was the general manager in Nineteen Ninety. Anyone everyone hung out at the Duchess. Lot of locals. Coffee. Drinkers Mornings, and then we'd have a lot of locals come in for lunch. Course, we had the tourist. Carl says Stacey didn't stop working when January and February of nineteen ninety rolled around because local foot traffic and good tip money. made it worth it. Thanks Stacy had been there maybe a year. So maybe I can remember it's been so long. But I thank you. You know at least probably about a year. Stacey. Full of joy you know? Kinda. Work she never had a bad day she was always. Always happy. Just nice to be around. She was good to customers. You knew she knew had to do her job. She made good money. On Saturday February, Third Stacey was scheduled to work at one forty five in the afternoon. The weekend brench lunch crowd made Saturday. One of the best days to work. So by two o'clock, when stacy still hadn't shown up for her shift, her co workers began to notice. The first person to speak up about Stacy's tardiness was a woman named Terry Williams who was working as a part-time hostess after a few weeks of searching I found Terry's number I gave her a call. She answered, and for the next hour we spoke about the case she didn't want our interview to be recorded for the show and she specifically didn't want her voice recorded. But. She told me I could report everything we discussed because she quote wanted Stacy's family to finally have some closure and quote. I wasn't sure what she meant by that, but I agreed to just really her story here to you. Back, in nineteen ninety while she was a part-time hostess at the diner. Terry was also a fulltime dear county sheriff's deputy a job. She worked Monday through Friday. The Saturday Stacey was laid. Terry was like I said the first to notice. So maybe just call it cops instinct maybe had something with her having to do with being a deputy. Terry, says, she told another waitress named Tina to go check on stacy and see where she was after all everyone knew stacy only lived right around the block from the diner. Tina told Terry she would do it. She was wrapping up the end of her shift anyway. So it was no big deal. Tina Terry and Carl are all thinking at this point maybe stacy just over slept or stayed out late with friends who knows? You know we all enjoyed party and a little bit having a good time but I never thought she was. PORI too much. She was always shown up for work. Louis. Happy. So she did her job so she wasn't partying all that much. Terry says five minutes after Tina drove off to go to stacy's she returned to the diner. Hysterical. Tina told Terry that she'd gone into Stacey's apartment set her newspaper on a living room chair, and then looked over into the living room where she saw stacey on the floor bleeding all over. Tina's said, the lights were off and it was really dim and she couldn't be sure what she was really looking at. Terry says in Tina's upset State Tina couldn't provide much more detail. The only Tina said was quote I think stacy fell or his hurt there's blood everywhere and quote. Because Tina new that Terry was a sheriff's Deputy Tina told Terry to use the diners phone to call police. Officers over to Stacy's. Terry says she did that but instead of waiting at the diner her and Tina went back over to stacy's apartment. Now here is just the first of many critical errors you're going to hear with this case. Terry says when she and Tina got to stacy's apartment, no police had arrived yet. She says, she made Tina stay outside. And she walked up the outdoor staircase to the apartments porch door opened it, and then a few feet after that opened the unit actual front door. Terry says both of these doors were unlocked. As soon as Terri walks inside the apartment and turns the corner into the living room, she sees stacy's partially naked body sprawled out in the middle of the living room. She was laying near a small mattress on the floor. Terry said next, she walked over to stacy's body stood over at looking for any signs that maybe she was breathing or still alive but Terry says she made sure not to touch stacey or anything in the living room. She immediately noticed a lot of blood around Stacy's head and honor shirt and the blood was also soaking into the floor. It was obvious to terry that stacy was gone. Terry says she quickly backed up out of the crime scene and shut the front door. It's right. Then once back outside that, Terry says she sees the first manual police officer arriving on scene. That officer gets caught up to speed from Terry and then he goes inside but despite Terry telling him that stacy, is obviously dead. This officer wants to check it out for himself. Once he's gotten a look. He lets appear medic into the apartment behind him. That emt goes in and essentially does exactly what Terry just did stands in the living room looks at Stacy's body and tells the officer that Stacey is deceased and there's nothing you can do for. The next person on the scene according to Terry is colonel from the Dare County. Sheriff's Office, and he goes inside of Stacy's apartment to check the scene out too. Suggest a recap here according to Terry that's five people who have been in and out of the crime scene in less than ten minutes they've all walked on the carpet touched the doorknobs, climb the stairs everything. Jasper Williams, the colonel from the sheriff's Office is finally the one to make the call to close the crime scene down. He realizes they have a murder on their hands and the town of Mania police chief is going to need some help gaining control of the situation. Now at the time, the guy running the show at the town's small, very small police department was chief Steve Day. Steve had only been in his role as chief for five months and up until Stacy's murder, he'd never investigated a homicide in the town ever. Jasper. With the sheriff's office new pretty quickly that this scene was going to require the full attention of his deputies. So he alerts his boss, Sheriff Byrd Austin and it's all hands on deck from there. But. Here's the thing. Even the sheriff's Office in Nineteen Ninety wasn't equipped to investigate this kind of homicide at least not like the State Bureau of Investigation could. The SBA is a much bigger law enforcement entity that has special agents trained to investigate major crimes. Here's former Dare County Sheriff Bert Austin to explain why the FBI needs to come in on this case. I don't think anyone ever would have thought that would happen but the world was changing. This is one of the things that we started having to deal with not on a big out but we were getting into stuff like that. What was Dare County like in Nineteen Ninety It was growing. But. It was like a flower opening all of a sudden. The growth of the county and the area was just way ahead of US keeping ahead of it. What kind of crimes your agency was investigating mostly drugs very rarely did you have a major felony crime? Like a murder murder or rape or anything like that. That time Matteo's police department was a small police department. They did have the manpower, they did not have the equipment. The sheriff's office was a little bit larger and the Sheriff has jurisdiction anywhere in the county. So they ask us to assist them, and of course, we don't have or didn't have near the type of equipment that we would need to get into that. Immediately with consent of the town we asked the S B., I n, and that's pretty standard all over the state. Small towns especially. Burton getting FBI agents to the scene as fast as possible was paramount. If, you don't know what you're doing and you can mess it up in a didn't ever get court. We still weren't very large at time when I went an office I had thirteen deputies. And that was an eighty ten years. Later I'd have we had maybe. Twentieth the most I don't remember the exact but. It makes a big difference. You've got to have the manpower the people to do this. Bird put Jasper in charge of coordinating with the state agents who'd becoming from Greenville? North. Carolina. Several hours away. Burt knew that Jasper would make sure the SPIC forensic equipment lab techs multiple detectives. The whole nine yards would arrive as soon as possible Jasper put his whole heart his job. I've known him since he was born and he was the most capable, and at that time we had for the county he was thirty in line to the sheriff. Him being at the scene of murder would be pretty standard happening the county. Yes. Definitely the chief deputy both would probably have been very rarely involve. We were asked by the town to assist them. He was a man that we set. While they waited for the FBI to get their keeping. Stacy's apartment building clear of onlookers and securing it with the sheriff's Office top priority. But. By two thirty in the afternoon, the influx of so many police cars an even a few town commissioners at the crime scene got the small communities attention. Tina and Terri knew what was happening and word quickly spread eventually making its way back to the diner. Here's Carl Walker again. Everybody who say well couldn't believe it. We couldn't believe that that even happened you know grown up here in many I grew up here and. You very seldom seen anybody getting killed around. There was a few during my daddy but. It wasn't everyday thing or every week. So it was kind of shocking and to hear how bad it was. That's what was the shocking about it though how somebody? Could be so cruel to human being get into with the detour. Burt Austin and his deputies didn't want too much information about how stacey had been killed getting out to the public yet but just like in every small town, the rumor mill started turning. Firstly. Enjoy to do is got calmed down people. The situation with everybody thinking that I knew the answer to this and they've given you learn a lot listening to some of them. Pick up on stuff and everybody has their own answers to it in small tau or. Other areas too, but everybody speculates too much. This nearly focused speculation that is about to define the trajectory of the entire case. At four, forty, five in the afternoon on February third two and a half hours after stacy is found murdered the first two FBI. Agents arrived on scene. These detectives still had to wait for their crime scene forensics tech to arrive with special mobile crime lab with him. Still hours away they got to work questioning the first people at the scene. Terry and Tina. And, here's where things get strange. Terry gave the agents her full statement of what I've already recap for you. She explained it was Tina who I discovered stacy's body in the apartment had come back to the diner to report something was wrong. There are few discrepancies though with Tina and Terri statements when you look at them side by side particularly when it comes to the sequence of events about what they each did and win. For. Example Tina Toll Jasper Williams from the sheriff's Office that when she and Terry went to the apartment after calling police at the diner they both went inside and Terry turned on the light switch in the living room. Then they both retreated back outside. Now Terry statements say nothing about this. Terry is adamant that it was only her who went into the apartment after they left the diner Terry to this day says she did not turn on the light and Tina was not with her when she stood over Stacy's dead body. Now. This inconsistency may not seem that important right now, but you need to remember it because it would become important later. By the time investigators gathered these basic statements from Tina and Terri and they get their bearings on the crime scene, the S B I mobile APP arrives. It's seven thirty at night at this point and Stacey had been dead for hours still laying inside of her apartment. The man in charge of going through the crime scene taking photos and collecting evidence is Dennis Honeycutt. Some of you may remember his name from season one. He's the same guy who processed denise Johnson's crime scene. In the nineties Dennis was the North Carolina espy is go to forensic tech. By nighttime on February third, he starts his examination of Stacy's crime scene starting outside in the driveway of the apartment building. We have several crime scene photos that he took there on our website counter clock podcast, dot com I encourage you to go take a look at these photos because you'll get a better visual sense of the next part of this episode I'm GonNa take you through. For starters, it's important to understand where stacy's apartment building sits on anonymised dare street it set back off the road and a long driveway takes you to it. That driveway is situated between two houses that are closer to the street. The family that lived in one of those houses in nineteen. Ninety actually still owns the apartment building today it's all one big piece of property. I went by to get a better look last time I was in town. I'm standing in front of five or six hundred is dare street, and when you look at it, Stacey Stanton's apartment would have been on the far right and when you go up to it, it's just like it looks in the pictures from nineteen ninety there's a staircase on the side that leads up to a porch, and then at the top of the staircase, there's a door to a little porch area. It looks like the Porch looks exactly how it did in nineteen ninety. It's kind of off to the side of the entire building and looks like there's a new front door now for sure. So you go into this little porch area and then right through, there is the front door to the apartment. where I was standing was exactly where Dennis Honeycutt walked thirty years before beginning crime scene sweep. The first thing he notes in his report is that by the time he got there someone had groped off the staircase leading to the second story apartment. They finally cut people off from going inside of this apartment. Someone Alerts Dennis to a wash cloth that had been found out in the street and this wash cloth appeared to have blood on it. Dennis bags that and keeps going. He's just getting started at this point. As he makes his way up the stairs notices, a large floodlight turn on that's triggered by his motion. Obviously something that would have turned on if and when the killer walked in front of it. As Dennis heads up to the apartment he takes pictures of the staircase, the door frame everything. He notices that the first or he comes to at the top of the steps lets you into a small enclosed porch. He wrote in his report that this exterior door was in really bad shape. Several, horizontal pieces of glass on the door at that were designed to roll out to open cracks for lighter air were missing but there was no broken glass around the door or on the porch. Just, beyond these holes were glass should have been. There was a section of the screen on the door that had been pulled back in it appeared someone had tampered with the lock. Dennis realizing this is obviously important dust the lock area for fingerprints and picks up some. Next he observes stuff laying around in the enclosed porch. There were some broken beer bottles, beer cans, small dresser, and a cement block. Inside the top drawer of that dresser, he finds a crack pipe, which he took his evidence. He then continues to dust all of the surfaces and the door frame of the actual front door stacy's apartment. After doing that, the next thing he comes across is a small hallway leading from the front door into the apartment. We have a full diagram of the FBI sketch of the apartments lay out on our website, which I think will help you understand the layout of the scene. When is in the hallway he notices that the overhead by is on and there are several patches on the wall where the sheet rock was being repaired. As he turns and goes into the living room, that's where he sees stacy's body laying in the middle of the room on a small mattress. He makes a note that the light is on and so is the ceiling fan, which can we just stop here for a second I mean I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure it's never good practice to have a large selling fan blowing on a crime scene for hours before you can even process it, you could disturb a lot of evidence. Tina said Terry turned on the white in the living room before they backed out which might explain why the fan in lighter on but Terry again said she didn't do that. It's unclear though if Terri did this or perhaps some other person like a police officer might have. Either Way Dennis found that it was on before he even goes over to stacy's body. He takes pictures of the entire living room scene. then. He snaps a quick shot of a local newspaper that's wrapped in plastic delivery bag it sitting in a chair, the newspaper is dated for February third meaning. It was the newspaper for that day and had been delivered early that morning and then brought inside remember Tina told investigators that she was the one who brought it inside when she first found Stacey. As Dennis makes his way toward stacy's body. He observes a couple of other items scattered on the floor including old newspapers, a magazine and a match pack. Among these items he also notices a lot of other stuff cluttered in the room several cups, beer cans, cigarettes of different brands and Ashtrays a magazine spread open on the couch food wrappers, lots of just stuff. He bags all of it as evidence. Once he gets over to stacy's body. Dennis clearly seized that Stacey has been stabbed mostly in her neck and face her wounds are obvious. She's laying on her back partially on a small mattress and she doesn't have pants or a bra or any underwear on ener. Her Shirt is pushed up her breasts up to her neck. She had a gaping slash wound to one of her breasts and upon closer examination. Dennis notices more slash wounds to her genitals. There was no blood coming out of the wounds to her breasts and genitals though which Dennis noted met, they were likely made after she was killed, but we'll get back to that when we go through her full autopsy and a bit. In addition to her horrific wounds, Dennis notes that Stacy's body is positioned culinary almost like she was purposely staged. Her arms were over her head and her legs appeared to have been spread, open and bent at the knees. This gruesome posture was only made more disturbing by the massive amount of blood pooling around her. Blood. Was Soaked into the mattress a sheet nearby a pillowcase and splatters of it were on a couch TV small table and most of the walls. Laying around Stacey was the outfit she'd obviously been wearing when she was attacked. A pair of gray sweatpants underwear pink. And white tennis shoes all had blood on them. Dennis noted that one of the shoes was still tied and had blood drops and smears on it. The matching shoe had blood on the bottom of it almost like stacy had stepped in her own blood at some point. Her pants and underwear were towards her feet which to Dennis appeared like the killer undressed her after she was dead or undressed her while she was dying. Her clothing had bloodstains smears on them, but looking at it Dennis could tell the blood hat and soaked through from the inside out it appeared the bloodstains had dropped onto the pants and underwear and soak them from the outside in. Something else kind of strange was that stacy was still wearing gold stud earrings and two chain necklaces. There was a third gold chain necklace that was smeared with blood sitting on the floor by your head beneath the front of the couch. It had been broken at the class, but before falling to the ground had landed on the couch. Dennis took pictures of an imprint of blood that the necklace left on the couch cushion, which meant it was likely broken off Stacy's neck during a struggle and flew off onto the couch with blood on it after she started bleeding, then it fell on the floor. The fact that all of this gold jewellery was still with stacy means whoever killed her whatever mode if they had it probably wasn't robbery. Another strange clue was the position of the TV and some plants near Stacy's feet. The TV was nudged back on one side like someone had been standing in front of it and bumped into it, causing it to sit crooked. Then there were the several plants near it that were turned over again, all signs of a serious struggle. Now I. Know this is a lot of information I'm giving you to take in all at once. So again, I'd encourage you to check out our website because we have a diagram of the SBA sketch of this area. Very close to where Dennis the turnover plants and stacy's clothing. He notice cuts in the mattress that stacy was laying on. It had several deep slash marks in it at the bottom near her legs like someone had intentionally stabbed into it either to keep her from kicking them or just to be destructive. After almost five hours into his examination, it was now twelve fifteen in the morning on February fourth. It's been that men from a local funeral home were allowed to come in and remove stacy's body from the crime scene. They took her to the State Medical Examiners office and it would be there in the autopsy. The medical examiner would find something that would get investigators their biggest clearly yet. When the state medical examiner started his autopsy on Stacey. The first things he noticed were multiple stab wounds to her neck in total stacy's killer stabbed her roughly eighteen times in the neck throat chest and several places superficially on her body. The blade was thin and very sharp, most likely a razor blade or a box cutter type knife. Stacy had officially died from blood loss after the murderer severed her carotid artery, which is located in your neck. It's also sometimes called the jugular vein. The medical examiner noted that a lot of the other cuts on Stacey weren't very deep. They were made fast and indicated the person committing the crime was acting furiously. Drops and smears of her own blood had been transferred onto her torso legs and the bottom of one of her feet. The medical examiner explained that he believed the smudges of Stacy's own blood were likely left by the killer who was positioning her body after the attack. Stacey was also mutilated her killer had cut her right breast and slashed several times at her. Genitalia. And the medical examiner confirmed what Dennis Honeycutt it suspected back at the crime scene that based on the absence of blood flow from these wounds they were inflicted after stacy was already dead. They also performed a rape kit and that came back clear. There was no semen on stacy and there wasn't any other sign that she'd been sexually assaulted, which started to eliminate more motives, but it doesn't completely rule out a sexual motive. The doctor said in his report that the mutilation strongly indicated the attacker was displaying fetish tight behavior but that was it. He didn't go into any further detail. The only other major things noted in the report where that the doctor found and collected several small hairs on Stacy's body these here's were very short like the size of chest hair pubic hair. They were in stacy's mouth, the wounds that our chest and neck and honor fingertips and inner fingernails. Now, stations didn't have short hairs like. She had shoulder length hair. So whoever they belong to was likely killer. The SBA had a lot of interest in these hairs and they retrieved the samples right away and combined with all of the evidence from the apartment they planned on testing for DNA. But we're talking nineteen ninety here. DNA testing was still in its infancy. The SBA I knew they weren't going to get the results back for a while like probably a few months at least. So in the meantime, they had to come up with a suspect anyone they thought could be involved. To do that FBI focused heavily on the crime scene itself and not just the evidence found in the living room, but with the rest of the apartment was telling them. Dennis had found no traces of blood in either of the two bedrooms in Stacy's apartment, the rooms were messy with clothing strewn about but nothing showed there had been any kind of struggle in those areas. The only thing missing from Stacy's bedroom was your mattress with clearly she moved into the living room at some point. Investigators. New. Dennis. Had found bloodstains several fingerprints in the bathroom and kitchen these blood smears work at the top of the bathroom sink in the basin and they had dripped onto items in the trash can. Scattered among clutter and booze in the kitchen. He'd found blood on a table and on a paper towel in the trash can. It was clear. Whoever killed stacy had attempted to clean up both in the kitchen and in the bathroom they left smudges of blood wherever their hands or arms touched, which even included the doorframes. All of the clutter, the cups, the cigarettes, and various types of beer brands and vodka laying around indicated to the FBI that multiple people have been in Stacy's apartment in the last twenty four hours. Agents notice that stacy's pocketbook and wallet were sitting at the kitchen table again, not something that would still be around her killer wanted to rob her. Something else on that table, which seemed Erie was a bunch of construction tools, a hammer screwdriver pliers, and a ruler. The only thing missing from the collection was a knife. Just like in the hallway, the kitchen wall had a patch of missing sheet rock. It looked like work was in the middle of being done but had just stopped. Nowhere in the house was there any kind of thin knife or box cutter something you'd expect a sheet rock installer to us. Next. To these tools were some unpaid bills and strangely cards and mail addressed to a person named Mike Brandon. Now as far as police have been told up until this point, stacy lived alone. But this Mike Guy Receiving mail at her apartment only met one thing he had to know her and know her well. Police needed to talk with him but right when they head out to track him down, he actually comes to them. And points the finger at a completely unexpected suspect not to be ugly but we are in the south and he was pretty quickly picked as the only person that had nothing to back themselves up. They me questions. About stasis falls the last time I saw and I saw last night. Next time on counterclockwise. Be Sure to follow counter clock on social media and subscribe on Apple Podcasts spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Counter clock is an audio chuck. Show. Ashley Flowers is the executive producer and all reporting and hosting is done by me dealing your dam.

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Voice in Canada - Question: Can you Have 2 Devices with Different Wake Words?

Voice in Canada

02:19 min | 10 months ago

Voice in Canada - Question: Can you Have 2 Devices with Different Wake Words?

"Skills all right. Welcome to the first Sunday of twenty twenty and again. If you've been following along on Sundays I do my best to answer questions from the community. A lot of these questions. Come from Emails or messages that are sent to me directly and some of them come from questions that have been asked in the facebook group where. There's a lot of engagement as chose that. There's a lot of people that are interested in this question. Well today's comes from facebook group and by the way if you're not a member of our facebook group we are approaching two thousand people in that group and you can join at A. L. E. X. A in Canada dot ca slash community. The question comes from William Penny and he says my wife got got an echo dot for Christmas. I was wondering if she can call hers which is located in the bedroom a different name than the original one purchased. It is located relatively close to the bedroom. Is there a way to use two different wake words. And first of all as I love to recognize those mckinney. That helped out a number of people chimed in there with the response those include Terry Williams Jewel vandal and Patrick Doyle. So thank you all of you for your responses. The answer was answered very nicely by all of you. Basically the answer is yes you can. You can change the wake words but they're limited so you have to go in through your APP Your Theory Alexi App and you can choose between Green Lexi Alien. Say as we know but you can also set it to computer echo or Amazon. So if you have to devices that are in close proximity and you want I want to talk to one particular device that can be a nice way to do it. In theory Lexi the technology behind it should be able to distinguish which device you're closer to and be able to know that you are speaking to that particular device if you actually have the wake words the same devices but in practice. It doesn't always work as well. So if you want to. Set up a foolproof way. A fool proof way of doing that. That would be to what you just described William and that is to change awake words of the two devices. You can totally do that. And that's one way to solve the problem that you're suggesting there so there you go. Thank you very much for the question William. Thank you for all your answers as mentioned and I'll talk to you tomorrow. Brief cast dot F._M..

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How To Use "Kinda Like" Bridges With Your Hook

Marketing Secrets

09:25 min | 2 years ago

How To Use "Kinda Like" Bridges With Your Hook

"Good morning, everybody this Russell Brunson, welcome to the marketing secrets podcast. Today we are streaming from my closet. So the big question is this how we're on brewers like us, you didn't cheat and take on venture capital for spending money for own pockets, how we market in a way the lets us get our products and our services and the things that we believe in out to the world and yet still remain profitable. That is the question in this podcast, give you the answer. My name is awesome Brunson and welcome the marketing secrets. Everyone. All right. I'm littering claws are now trying to close for the day, and I totally want to wear minute squirrel shirt as don't know that shirt is. But when we did the bowl soccer vent and we launched the viral video, there's the whole joke from the gold prospector about lake paint. Nudes squirrels that is. And so we have painted nudes squirrels in our office everywhere. It's like this speak funny joke. And so we have these new squirrel t shirts, which was like my favorite shirt for my wife hates. We're watching a video last night from our trip to San Francisco, and I hadn't need squirrel show on the whole time statewide. He wear that shirt. I hate it like, oh, it's my favorite anyway. So I can't really wear, maybe hang up her a lot today. So all the default, something not is cool, but in the closet state because getting ready and I want to kill two birds one stone and share with you something I'm working on. So lawyers last year spoke of the. Connects event and we sold three million dollars ninety minutes what which is crazy and extra speaking and decided to slash nine thousand people who've had this year. Moving forward this supposed to be thirty five thousand shoes of it, which is completely nuts yet it is what it is. So we've got, it's going to be insane. I'm so excited. So we've got thirty five thousand people and I'm doing presentation case be twice and then two presentations. But I got kind of craft it for for the audience and make a difference not wanted to same presentation every year. So I'm trying to think like what's it going to be? And next weekend speaking, where my buddies events, I don't speak at many events anymore, but they're super awesome people in a circle members. They Justin Terry Williams, my favorite people and and so I agree speaking event. And so I'm doing kind of rebuilding presentation. 'cause there are people are all like real estate investors. So it's a little different market. It's very similar though. It's like grants to grants people attending events. So I'm going to be basically I'm Creighton's presentation and I'm going to be testing it out here, testing material, paying attention on talking about, let me testimony cereal. Podcast about that Spicer anyway, I just my material here for women be giving at the tax benefit works well, and so that's kind of what I'm doing. And so. Yesterday was got title for presentation. And literally it was like, I think I spent eight hours title so they can't figure undoing presentation Russell's rehired just know that even for me, I'll spend eight hours the title because that's like hints from slide five title. And so anyway, yes, we finally figured title and it was after going through a bunch of oxygen of Justin and he was talking about how he's like real estate. Investors are kind of in the stone-age. He's like, he's like this thing, you're showing them and give them all unfair advantage. We can like literally like come into the future before everybody else. And I was like, oh my gosh, that's that's the title it's unfair advantage. This is the unfair events. Cell phones are the unfair advantage. And so I started thinking through that way, so I just echo in the bathroom, walking back and forth, getting things ready. It was thinking about from unfair advantage. I'm like, okay, that's that's the direction. It's the hook. That's the angle. What is presentations going to be unfair advantage, and I started going deep by. Okay. What other things are unfair advantage of? What does that look like? Would it be. Because I'm trying to find a lot of like analogies hind lake bridges, like it's kind of like this is kind of like this, and this is how my brain works. I'm hearing this with guys out loud because hoping helpful for you guys who are trying to create presentations like what's the process Russell goes through? So so unfair advantage that's that's like the, that's the big thing, right? Like I'm going to be giving us sales funnels are the unfair advantage and sure thinking, what are stories, other stories we know about unfair advantages in first Nepad. My head was back the future right back the future. Where. Really back future parts you? Yes, parts used to parts. You biff gets the time machine right? And he sees it. And so he does. He goes to the story buys an almanac of all the sports scores of all the things in the future. So he gets that. And then he goes back in time and gives younger with the Allman actresses basically, here's all, here's the sports course next fifty years. You can go did all these teams and become the richest man in the world, right? By doing a gambling on him. So it does becomes hugely famous because he all he is unfair mentioned knows who's going to win every single game, you know, who's going to win, like from a betting standpoint. Like you're, you're, you're just gonna win everything. Right? And so that's kind of how was forbidden. It's like there's a story I'm going to be able to share like him giving his unfair advantage like about this. Mattel, the whole story about. About biff in about that. And that's kind of like what this is unions, unfair advantage. Right. It's funny when we were doing the the presentation for. We wanna call billers secrets and it was it was we went to the whole database and click finals and found all of the different. We found all of the what follows working the best, how they work and he'd hold presentation like breaking out of, here's the ones that the finals during the best. Like if you're trying to figure out what phone Bill that cure they are. This is where it all all the money in cyclic phones being made at these funnels. So sure that he was at like, and I was kind of like, what's what's kind of like, and I say, oh, it's kind of like if. If if if Larry and Sergei the founders, Google words like open them bay, hey, guys, just, you know, this is the actual algorithm like giving you the algorithm and my dad was like, it's me giving you the algorithm. That's what this presentation is all about. Right? Which people cited hooks them. So for you, it's like when you're doing like I spent eight hours or how long it takes really cool hook. And the first thing is thinking that kind of likes with what is this kind of like, okay, this is kind of like Larry and Sergei giving you the source coach, you know exactly what page one. Good wherever sometime that's what I'm doing today with these funds. Right. Or this unfair advantage, kind of like number back each, you were different back time. Got the almond on, came back in and all the sports going pin richest man on earth. That's this is kind of like like, I'm giving you guys is unfair advantage. We were able to go where you're here. Competitors will be there soon. Eventually many next year, five years, ten years. All your competitors doing this, but you're here today and your unfair advantage before everybody else because I can come. She can capitalize on that. Right. And so like. This is all about, like I figured presentation titled the hook, the English, what's the hook that it's like, what's the kind of like bridges and make it like, oh my gosh, this is what's this been learned getting right. I look at the tennis event last year. Right? And final Bill builder, secrets webinar. I started. I didn't start out by like, let me show you how to build the funnel. Talk about hook in into Roger Bannister informant mile and how the format was broken by him. It's kind of like this, like I, I'm going to break the format mile for yesterday. See it was possible and you'll be able to inside your market. Right? And I shared the whole Roger Bannister story, upfront case like that kind of like bridge that bridges thing favorite beginning like, that's, that's the key. So for me, this nice presentation is the unfair advantage and I'm pumped about it. I'm going to think about a million different kind of likes. It's like this like we've throughout this entire presentation. So that is kind of like bridges, you guys. I kind of like bridges every time. I try to each complicated concept or show the concept people like, what? What is he talking about? Oh, well, it's kind of like this. And you make simply kind of like back Cincinnati? No, but also this kind of bridges to to encourage excitement of the thing they're about to learn about, right. It's like here's overarching hood, boom, it's kind of like this people like, oh my gosh, sake. I see. I see the future. I see what's happening. I see how this is. This is exciting. His men that would be cool if biff Kim gave me the almanac of all the all the sports scores, that'd be amazing. Right? So if this is kind of like that, I'm pumped. I'm excited. I'm ready to raise if you're so all right. That's why guys, I'm gonna, go fish, getting ready for school. My little man, Aiden he won the award today or this week, so we're gonna assembling seen getting award for being a courteous student. So they gave a little man. He's being very courteous. I love them. The Clinton were pants today, instead of like his normally. Sweatpants, whatever real pants. He's a super upset. So hopefully he will come out and be happy because we so cute little ward onstage. I love him. All right, thanks. Everybody talk to you soon. Talk to you soon. Marketing secrets, if so, go get your copies and my two best selling books. Number one, it's called expert secrets. You can get a free copy and expert secrets dot com. And book number two is called dotcom secrets, and you get your free copy at dotcom secrets dot com. Inside these two books, you'll find my top thirty five secrets. We've used to become the fastest growing non visa back SAS startup company in the world.

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753: Proposals that Convert, with Adam Hempenstall

Accelerate!

00:00 sec | 8 months ago

753: Proposals that Convert, with Adam Hempenstall

"It's time to accelerate. Hey this is Andy. Welcome to episode. Seven hundred and fifty three of accelerate the sales podcast of record. Johnny my guest this week as Adam hemp install adams the CTO better proposals it's a UK based digital proposal platform. Now we're GONNA talk about how to build a puzzle that converts and Adams GonNa share a bunch of data driven insights that his company has gleaned from the experiences of their own customers topics. Get into today are why proposal still matter and sales why they're important for sellers while important to get right. Why proposals not meant to educate your prospect. If you're putting new information into the proposal that you've never exposed your your buyer Patou before generally not a good idea talk about which section should be in your proposal in what order and we'll talk about pricing in terms of how many different offers should put in for Bozell and how she do right. Those the word choice actually turns out to be very important value. You phrase your pricing offer. So it's all very interesting. We'll beginning that and much much more but before we get to Adam. I'm GonNa talk for a minute. With William Terry Williams the CMO of ring DNA. And we're gonNA talk about ring. Dina's sales madness bracket challenge. Now if you're longing for some non virus related madness march the checkout this bracket channel. Hey before he jumped in show have another session with my friend William tyree here sumo ring. Dna were talking about these sales madness. Bracket challenge blast last man standing for March madness. William I do. I did great Andy. How are you doing well so am for jumped on the show today? We just want to talk about some of the match ups we have is for. People may aren't familiar. Once you give us an overview the bracket challenges absolutely so the bracket challenges essentially. It's the hunger games seals leadership. We are actually seeing a lot of engagement. Lots or making their way over to ring dot com slash sales madness to create their bracket. Sixty four of the greatest. Let's do ring Dan Dot com ring. Dna DOT com slash sales madness sales madness. Okay Yup and were making very over there to vote for no classic sales books that banded career yes so the we're GonNa have brackets so let's start with sixty four teams just like March madness would have and work our way down In the same calendar schedule that they had to eventually get a final four and crown. A champion of the march madness bracket challenge. Beat a book. Which now the majority not majority. But some plurality. Let's that people voted for us. The most influential book in their lives absolutely Yup and along the way. We're GONNA win all kinds of goodies. So we're giving away free your audible set of apple air pods inside sales library. Lots of great like bringing a swag and hoodies sweatshirts and stuff like that. Very cool very cool. So if you haven't entered your bracket go to ringed in a dot com forward slash march madness or what salesman sales MADDA SUC cash rowdy may dot com for slash sales madness and enter your bracket. So I just want in the few minutes we have just wanted to cover some of the Matt sample match up. So we've got going on so our number one overall seed is how to win friends and influence people by Dale Carnegie. One of my all time. Favorite books matched up against number sixty four seed. Which is mastering your sales process by my friend. David Mass over sales off sales expert based over in Hungary. And so I think this is a tough match-up for David. I mean he's got a book that's very much worth reading but it seated against a personal class ever perennial classic a personal favorite of mine. He absolutely it's it's it's almost not fair but you know this you know the seeds are what they are in. Unfortunately I can see in the back and I can see the way. Things are trending so I would say that David's fans should get out and vote in droves. Because it's not going well at night. Yeah I can imagine I feel sorry for David but I reread how to win. Friends influence people for the ten. Th Time just a couple of years ago. So it's it's a book you keep coming back to Another one interesting is the number. Sixteen seed is seller BE SOLD BY GRANT? Cardin versus number forty nine seed the machine by Justin Ross March. Now I may be in a minority but my my business when he hasn't been close. I'm I think Justin RAF marshes as always are pushing the envelope in terms of with respect to how to organize. Sales teams audits the role of hyper specialized roles and sales I don't know I think that one to me has a lot more value. I thought the other book did for me. Well you know I think a lot of people might ferreting Andy There could be a upset in the making year. I you know seller Basil continues to be in the top fifty sales books on Amazon in terms of sales rankings. And it's really close right now. It's about fifty two percent to forty seven percent so there's a lot of room on that one between now and into voting for Radwan and listeners. Were Justin Ross Marsh back on the show in just a few weeks so you WanNa make sure you stay tuned for that I had one. I couldn't really couldn't vote on and this was a number seventeen seed new sale simplified by Mike Weinberg Burson forty-eight seed solution selling by Michael Bosworth aftermath. Osas really hard. I'd I'm Tanya people right now are putting on this one because I love both books serve equally. Will I think bows worth plowed? Some new ground with his For La published solution selling It's a classic worth reading again and again and Mike Weinberg good friend of mine has also done a fantastic job with that book. It's destined to become one of the all time classics sales books. People love it. Yeah what you read on the pages who Mike is side. I couldn't pick a favorite on that one yet. You Know I. I have to admit this is blind spot for me. Solution selling is an amazing book. I absolutely love it Weinberg's book is is something that I have to read and I mean judging by the amount of love it's getting voters I know. Now it's GonNa rise up to the top of my list so the interesting to see how far that actually goes. Yeah both Furhwirth well-known finally. Let's just talk This is interesting number. Eight seed was to sell US human by Dan. Pink and Mercer Number Sixty seven hundred fifty seven seed. Sales is an away game by Lance Tyson. Now is recently read sales as an away game with Lance and absolutely fell in love with his book I mean I think they're both excellent books. But but Yeah Pink's book is more about the broader overview sellings not really a sale book in my mind in terms of how to it's more whereas Lance's is very much a very practical sensible book. I think should been every salesperson's library yet I can. I can see that argument. I think that Dan Pink's book is is definitely a book that a lot of sellers love for obvious reasons. But you're right I think Salesman his game is definitely like right on the nose. You know like really a lot of great advice for people. Yeah all right. Well just a few of the match ups that we have will make back after the next round next week and talk about our sweet sixteen. It sounds great. Well thanks friends again. Thought your brackets dot com forward slash sales madness that's ringed in a dot com forward slash sales madness. Okay let's jump into Adam. Welcome to accelerate. Thank you and your joining us from Brighton. England right now. So we're where's it precisely? So I'm in a tackled shore which is enough for anybody that doesn't Brighton is directly south of London. So draw a line down There you are nice and a trite and you are a follower of Brighton. Hove Albion football. Team Right Sania. Don't admit it at the moment struggling a little bit this year struggle but this year. They're entertaining to watch the ones who stay up as long as we don't get relegated. Yeah all right. Well we as followers of the show on big soccer fan so we oftentimes get sidetrack sock but We'll spare people today. So you start a company better proposals and It's a very interesting process. So what was was the impetus to start start. This company runner WEBS ON AGENCY FOR TEN TWELVE FOURTEEN YEARS. Something lines And then we switched into running a software companies as accustomed company as we go in the consolidation and present a big solution The common theme through Bertha those different iterations of the business was presenting To Win Business Iron. No point during any of that was it fun. Easy quick Effective use of time. Anything along those lines but it was made the difference whether you want the job or whether you did so everybody else's said he comes to. Why won't dig into that for a second? So your experience was that you could have been chatting with people you know have multiple conversations interactions with a potential prospect or a prospect potential buyer and educating them. But you've got to the point. Rethought the proposal is GonNa make a difference so if you fully educated than what we're saying in your proposals that was gonna make a different different than what you had told them. Before as your sales process the question Surprised my mind. In order to do the proposal effectively I needed to ask good questions in the made. Jiang or in the discovery session as far as like some people would consider the proposal to be the document or the thing that you press. Send it to me in order to do that. Well I had to ask questions in the best price so to me. The proposal was asked questions about it and send it to them. That was that was to me what it was so forgot the questions wrong over there off. It's no good anyway To me they were kind of connected but yeah if I did a good job of asking the right questions and understood that business and I convey that well in the is Oh and then send it and do all of that in a timely fashion and give it to the way they wanted to consume at dot. That works perfectly. My question was perhaps a little bit different. This is and this is because I think proposals are used differently now than they've been in the past and so on but yes if I go into discovery and a salesperson goes of discovering the asking questions so the implication for salespeople as well. I'm going to answer those questions in our proposal to answer those questions in a big Presentation we do but increasingly you answer. The questions are on the spot because it's part of it's part of being able to ask the next question after that is to be able to provide an answer to the buyer to say okay. There are some context or answer to your question then based on that based on their answer. What's what's the next next question. I should be asking and so often that you serve and allow the questions. You're not saving up to answer your questions proposals but maybe the puzzles are just. I'm summarizing once again what we've committed to is that. Is that how he started yet as fast fast so I think if you are an experienced sows past oil you've been around the block bear. And what have you you? Kinda do flow of Question answering objection handling all that kind of stuff. Staring at you could mitigate debt and when you get really good you can actually bring things up the make some objects and then you can have Instead of is trying to brush under the carpet revoked them into bringing something up. And then you've got the Afrikaans That's what he can stop. Start with fire and get quite good but yeah there's always going to be an element especially in complex sows we sent intensify Baynes The value propositions quite clear is now you hungry yet but in complex sale or anything. That's kind of involved with something technical. Or what have you then? There's always going to be an element of trying to summarize what it is that one of the goals the problems I've had. You'll solution how you're GONNA do it. What makes you different stuff? That needs to be summed up and presented. Somehow you get that information back to otherwise. We're not going to feel hurt so I think it's a great point. We should should focus on for a second is because again this is. I see sellers that do sort of save stuff up for the proposal and and my belief is that proposals not really meant to be educational cheer point. Is there really a summary? A of the commitments you've made of the points you made of your proven warned saying to your last point you made about. They'll make sure they've been heard. I would phrase a slight difference. Is the customer wants to make sure that you understood that they were understood right and you convey that through your proposal. Yeah and I think extends beyond just the proposal. I think that's the if I had to make a point about any of this stuff it would be. I would be the only extends beyond that. You can't do a good job of the specifics of writing a proposal without having done a job of the discovery about that bit up. E- e- You ready you into guess what I call at that point. If you look that up you're fighting for second place and you don't know yeah. Yeah Yeah I think if there's any you take away their it's you know ask critical questions and Doug skimp on that Pau The proposal can be should be a somber either. Shouldn't if you've done everything. Ix done everything textbook there actually should be any surprises in the proposal. Point right you're not educating them as they're confirming what they thought they heard from you or your confirming in their minds what they thought they heard from you and that really important point is that you understood which is kind of why. I've always recommended the the introduction of the executive summary or the review or whatever it is that you want to cool the fast meaningful piece of taxed should always be about explaining to them will get across the point that you've understood what their issues are I by highlighting them but highlights them exactly so stating exactly what it is that the chief of the situation is now where things going wrong. What is his main if you don't do anything about it. What if you do rand? You know? His his a brief One sentence summary of exactly what waking today and the rest is it that they read that we know from the dates. I Li- anybody uses US. Afloat able to or any of this. Let's be able to see what is going on. Once people read the proposal. You'd see this is. This is true that people read that puffery in relation to have much Texas but a couple of minutes beating not Pau I de a good amount of time on the pressing page and the rest of it will be fatty skimmed over most the time right so and your your system. You can track specific time on page page of the proposal. Yes he'd split this thing up into sections you'd have kind of light your. I've had you'd have light yet. A breakdown of what you're GONNA get. You'd have your time scouse price saying oh you're about stuff you know that kind of stuff. I need you say okay. Interesting Eric. Adopt the red respite for a minute. Half in the the page four seconds and then closed it Okay sticker shock. And they didn't like it so they didn't bother reading. The rest wants interesting. Question though is but what you're describing are. Typical behavior is your data showing that you know if they only do that. They converted lower rates or if they if they do that but then they go back later and read it then. They converted higher rates. Or what's your to telling you on that on that individual so we done this sentence stuff that we look into some stuff that we died so that would be a private data to me Umbro the rules on ethics her to me that would be that would be kind of A. It's very very involved is no enough. That's trying to draw a conclusion. But you know it on individual case-by-case basis you could guide on how to look and see that is that is generally true conversion rates on that It's it's difficult but I would say gives sales person a fine chance to be able to follow up in an appropriate way Right but if somebody has read the fast bit for twenty seconds on a fine and you see the devices as well as you can have a pitchers what they're doing so they're gonna find a six CD evening and they read the Intro to the pricing page on the coast at the probably on the train and the way you know what I mean like you could start to build a little bit of a pitcher so you wouldn't call them immediate. Hey did you get it? It's like all right. Chill that they're out. You buy up to everything. They folded into six different people. It's forty minutes total looking through every little bear. Well now. They've gone for a major sensible decision tonight when you follow them. At that point you know dealing with a different stage. It just does it. Change the outcome. It's hard to say it just gives you a little bit more visibility. See Console Plan your attack. suspect aggressive. But you know what I mean kind of. Get your game plan to get you coming with a little. Bit more visibility. You done. Come at it from this kind of weak. Hey did you have proposed? It's a really weak position to come at it from just she just come across with a little bit more confidence. Low Bit more owning a little bit more. I think you're also make a case that if this is a good prospect Juban dealing with then you feel like you're in a strong position if you've gun the commitments to that point that you wanted to get in terms of moving forward in their commitment to the the The approach you WanNa take for solving the problems all that stuff that it's really just confirmation also a proposal they read the executive summary and look at the pricing oftentimes benefactors. Make sure it's the same as what they heard before it could be ready to go. Yeah that's true. I think that's that's the next thing is is already go will. What next was the next thing right and then I did a little like Youtube show while back done a thing. We just four seasons. We could've proposal breakdown what it was people. Send it through. Bill proposals some customers. Someone side quality was buried and it was really really staggering to me. How many people didn't put any next steps on that in the proposal in the proposal so just given the Info but now instructions? It's not guided toll. Which is what it should be. It should be like cooked so he was thing we discussed the knows this a noticeable details Oklahoma and as And this is how much it's GONNA cost. This is alice gunsight. And here's what you do next. You know here's what you saw in Dennis is going to happen. That's going to happen. Nessim Pool we'll just talk indictment Scott. It's like that's what it should be like right. Well that's when the values of doing an online proposal system as the. Yeah you integrate signature and even payment depending on the type of a bronx. You're selling your is actually ended. It was incredible to me was. Let's just pretend that you don't using fancy online proposal software and you're doing it with you know would and a pdf and say hi to the dinosaurs fully Sorry I had to go get that in their yard. Grab even if you are the old school way. Like still explains the next step Saul Bass Yukon again shot. They should be trying to figure out what the next phase right Chris. Friction you know people like to be told that's okay. You're at that point. Where yeah they won't be told what to do next and he doesn't have to be complicated like keep it simple light. You know. Print this out. Sign said about okay. That's better knowing oversee better if it was aligned digital signature fine but keep it simple dot have complicated stuff in. There was one proposal we reviewed and it was It was good. It was a list of expectations so I think the idea behind. It was quite good so it was like his. You can expect from US him weeks that's GONNA buy. The pro was the list of expectations this long. That was kind of the next steps part of it. It was like Oh Wanna go ahead. This is what we expect from a house like. Whoa there should be like three things that tops. Seventeen get rid of it. Oh yeah some it starts looking really complicated deal with it. I just try well easily inside. Yeah that's I long talked about one of the most important sales calls you ever make is is the first call you make after you sign the deal with the buyer because that that's when you really start dealing with expectations again it's because if you're if you're dealing with the buyer and they're talked to five different vendors potential vendors for a Solve their problem. Is I guarantee you that when they sign on the line with you. What's in their minds about what they're gonNA receive is some mix of all five products from five vendors. And so your job I call after they signed the order is called back your customer and say hey just want to review with you what you can expect to happen at this point and what you're gonNA receive when you're going to see that and so on and it's a beautiful way to start a relationship on a good foot otherwise that your prospects real confused when they after they sign so yeah. This is an interesting sorry. Just GONNA to say. It was an interesting story where one of our customers are. One of our Jack he embedded design agency in the Senate proposal to one of his clients. They didn't look the tons of conditions which includes his proposal Just a simple afraid obstacle drugs. Nothing heavy she didn't look out and she also did look at the hall where he explained what website was GonNa do so the features and stuff so she saw in debt and immediately. He's a standup rights. We pulled her off a bizarre. Hey I just wanted to check basically exactly what you said. I just run through re summarize and he was like. Wow we went through that fest page. We will models call sheets that we would get one thing. We were building another thing but she'd signed it so you could say you signed it today out there. That might be great cool. Is that good for relationship. Not really well or your reputation right. I mean she get on link dinner somewhere in trashy too and she would have fell heavily. Grave rose but she had a massive misunderstanding. Because you didn't bother rating yet. So he played a lot out with a few differences. I sold out resigned. The new proposal. She definitely read at this time. It was good and it was. It was interesting. He done that if he didn't know what she had read. So that was just like a PDF. That was just either saw. Yeah well that's interesting. That's a great point. You have a record of what people actually went through. They looked at but yeah I would say even in the case of as an online proposals system like better. Proposals are physical call call. The custody signed the order just walked spent ten minutes just walking through as you said. Hey this is what you told us you wanted. This is what we understood. This is why I propose this. And this is what you re getting and win. And so many sales people get frightened by that prospect. Cancel the order to your point. Yeah Jack Jack the order. Here's upfront with her and explained it. That's what happens people. Yeah always take us up so I wanted to go through some data that you had talked about some of your your articles. You've written it so on that. Those were interesting so was covered. But you'd said don't send a PDF. I think the data was you. Increase your chances by seventy eight percent. Was that conversion present if you don't send out a PDF versus Those are interactive online. This is tricky to to fully walkout but basically this was Whether people will print out a pdf on all Paso uh-huh spring style It was less chance of being destroyed. Silent which stands to reason because taken off line right so jeopardy WANNA keep online. Keep it where they can sign it. I think is the is the message here but generally. Pdf's as well designed as they can be. Even if I don't know who's the best is on the actual something instead of PDF bread and get away from the fact that it just looks like right whereas would depend something else a little bit more interesting a bit more engaging it just go that extra so feel of dealing with proper company Brian. Why you also say that based on your your studies the date of your customers users system that that-that fancied cover and cover. Art doesn't buy anything not so much the The main the most important part of the proposal is that introduction up that is the most important. It's always the pop read the most. It's always the A never published this in the In the reports we can put into shards but shrum best proposals afoot stash records so you can save a couple of years. Wealth reports that visual graphics of China data points data one of the things. We just reset Shaman decided not to include was a relationship between The amount of time people will not fess Hij- what would be the painting. What count to try to walk out a difference dad it it did start cop but we couldn't find a nice friendly way of portraying the data but it does hold true like the word count matches the the average rating stayed in Matched up with what was that whereas on some other pages selected at random it was quite the case so generally speaking so meaning that they read the intro page but they scan the rest thus cannon arrest and did you find an optical opt across her optimal sorry for my bad English to happen an optimal length for the introduction. We did look into it. We didn't get to getting a little bit complicated at that stage but opted would say this is just this is this is not to this pa. I would say you don't want it to be too matt is going to be very readable. I think Sacchi stock gun either two three paragraphs that's GonNa get pretty pretty heavy pretty quick so you know you're asking someone to do a very boring job. You're asking them to sit there and read a really boring document. That's that's what you're asking them today. It's it's not ready to have fun So if you make it engaging at if you include noise imagery does it really help with conversion no but it makes it a bit more readable. It's it's one of those things. It helps a little bit to kind of breakup of Bronx attacks. Make it a bit more. Engaging bullet points a great big moves attacks on good look at like basic readability skills are pretty important especially in like in dry if the document is quite dry in the subject matter dry than you need to make it. More interesting yeah. I'm a big Fan of bullet points in proposals and important documents more so than ever these days because again as you look at look at your inbox right. You're scanning your in boxes. Go through it methodically. Step by step by step or you know email by email. They serve treat their inbox like social feed. Scan what what catches your eye. And so if people ask you know people argue scanning the document then yeah the blocks of text. They all look like yeah solid chunks of ink supposed to Bullet points Calcott catch their attention. Yeah what they said that. Those interesting that runs against conventional wisdom was that in your proposal. You should only have one offer. And and there's books written saying that You know you need three offers in other. You need to offers and just interested in your perspective on how you've so I'll explain weather came from and that should give some context so in better proposals in uprising table. Bay Pricing you've been do things like Bolton options and you can do give people choice so Tape say that. Kinda thing What we found was The the conversion rate was higher. If you didn't give people options to just a single option so single option his would it is and that was it so if you didn't give people options and you didn't use those auctions than we found. Compassion might be slightly higher now caveat to this because of matured in the last couple of years since we started doing this kind of stuff. Obviously it's just one data point it's no cross reference with a ton of things. I take him with a pitcher so but there is an element of truth to it in the sense that maybe it's like if you all GonNa do. Package Office really thinks. I make sure that they all done with best practice because some people do is so. I came in a supermarket. And you're looking at the value brand the mid Range Ryan and store. You look at a business or something. I did the super high right the difference in price that is going to be a maximum of say three dollars and that isn't going to make any difference you life whatsoever given us ones but but it isn't. GonNa make a big difference. It's like which you just got fail. Unless dead Buzzer the impact of getting the wrong choice. Doesn't matter read it now. Scott Zeros Something Complex here. Something that somebody has right. There's something somebody has something at stake in the decision right. So that's exactly. This is my opinion on the data at trying to make sense of it but my theory on it was the sometimes people. Don't get the package office right. And because they set the Mao House of these great famous books suggest that you by framing one of the better deal edging them towards Assad what which is the whole point of selling in the first place now. If you do that correctly then I think he what Brittany I think. A lot of people will package. I is this one package be is one of Pakistan's this one at a genuine econ tell the difference between will counsel the difference. They combine a choice. Rugs have engineered decision out of. I think that's where people fall down what I think. Back to the whole philosophy of of the proposal. Type that the Jew talk about. Especially if it is a summary of what you've gone through before is in at least be sale of any circuit complexity. You shouldn't be getting to that point of the deal. You're saying well you know you could do a garden. Which which one do you want right? I mean as a salesperson. It's your job to have led them to. What is the choice of? What is the best approach? They should use to go forward and yet come on chrome across looking again by experience. Not based on tens of thousands based on hundreds of thousands of of deals like the customer wants to the you know. You're making the recommendation. What's best for them? It's the laptop thing it's the it's the white Take doctors approach to it. So it depends on positioning. It depends on your position if you're an order processing kind of silos Downplaying it but if that's you'll row than sometimes it can be a little bit difficult to play that consultant but if you're in a position where you can pay that could substitute row and you can't be trusted adviser Across the person that knows what they should do. Then yeah you should be guiding them to a solution. You should have already done that that point. It seems backwards to me that you would get so the pricing stage of a proposal. Just pretty fall through. The process remained initially speaking inside point. You're most at the end net. So which one do you want is almost like that should have happened? Three weeks ago will seven phone calls a guy that is. Just it's weird it's like tonight. You're almost home Delight why just got back out and I was like I was when I go out and you will done right. I think salespeople oftentimes panic with the single option because they think that's a single option. What if they don't like it? Well Buenos made earlier is. There's nothing you should say in a proposal. That's news to the prospect. They should know all of it. Something you've told them before he shared your work through before. Yeah if you come in and your pricing surprise that's that's an issue. That's probably yeah. Yeah doesn't massive point. I think that there is a way anyway that that could be a massive point. Is You should never ever ever send a proposal or a price to anybody and it be a surprise them. Dabbagh they should know within a range when I think a second points of allied with that is. I'm a huge believer that you just never send a proposal without having a meeting or online meeting call where you review it almost in real time with the buyer so decide just sent this to you hapless up on this call. Here's a link. Let's walk through. What a Lotta people do actually is really is really interesting especially with with things. Zoom in on this kind of stuff is They will build a proposal. Not send them the link then jump. Ponzi scheme screen share the proposal. So skip ahead skip ahead. But then they've got it ready on the Senate in another TAB And when they get to the point I think yeah this is good. This is there a press center that check your email and you can open the link and then you go inside. It does guide all the way through it handily objections and they got British Guy Free Coat. Check your email. Hurt US perfect there. It is tough nine. Scott Tong Grid. It's awesome really really good weather. They agree yeah. And and that's so just measure stood as you prepare the proposal but you review it with them first before you send it to him. Yeah excellent excellent all right so last last bit talk about and again interest data supporting this song. Because you're pretty about it. But as you say never label the pricing section pricing an idea of data that supports why. That's a bad idea are whether should do do talk about. Roi Or return on investment or investment or so on any data that supports that one or another circus. Yes so the. I'm just scrolling to repeal and funding for you yet the general idea is the obviously it depends selling. If you're selling a jerk out biscuits oil biscuits tastes good but Next royds but yeah the the way that we came to the conclusion with the with the pricing section and walking that out was we simply looks out which on we had a feeling it would be the best one that would be because it was built into our template swinging you. They have a heavyweight so we simply just looks through a Or conversion rate of proposals the used the investment on the on the patching buses Naming it bret with Espen bus is not on. The conversion rate was higher we publish the competitive rates But that was that was how we that was how he came to. Do you remember being quite significant? Akon exactly remember the numbers remember thinking. Yeah that doesn't surprise me. That is up. Surprises that I think that that's an important takeaway for people because a lot of people see that and say well come on just one word pricing investment. It's like a few using investment. The customer thinks you're trying to hide something but I think it's really just opposite. I think words do matter and for the most part in B. Two B. sales or customer and are making an investment in your solution your system. I think words matter. I think that that is a good choice. Added so you know even if all things are equal right. Wow what can I use? It doesn't it doesn't matter might as well use it 'cause someday to somewhere the suggests that it looks as if you're on the fence that you might as well but try you can always test these things and to your point as bad. We don't have data from millions of examples but the fact is the margin winning. Losing sales is so slight so small. I I tell people imagine that it's one percent difference between you and the next guy so if that's the case all these all these things are burt testing to try and see what works for you. Yeah I mean it's in this day and age a lot of people want this Golden Nugget Silver bullet conduct solution. And as as we've grown a better proposals in it's a decent sized company now I've kind of the the really isn't anything this number one thing that really moves the needle that much very rare. It's very very rare to find something. Genuine lie lottery wins style victory. Except maybe this podcast but yeah go ahead. Sorry yet There's very very few digs. Trudy MOVES THE NEEDLE DHANRAJ. Most everything is a of a fraction of a percentage. So you might as well take as many as you can. Yeah well and also given the have so. Many tools and technologies enable us to test these things out test out man. Test it out. See what works best for you for your customers. What's congruent with the way you sell Congruent the way the customers by yeah on all those things so all right Adam. We've run time. That's great talking with you and I really appreciate you. I think it's getting close to eleven o'clock at night for atom. So thank you for staying. Thank you for staying up to To talk with Israel really appreciate it. So how can people find out more about the better proposals on? How can they connect with you? So the best way to have anything to do with will do is follow block. That swear. I've right that's what I said my thoughts so that is Housed on a better proposals website. Which is better proposals Avenue you can find the block. Their sons books and things like that. I've written a feedback loop when people read some of the books. I've written over the years and then you reach a celebrity co written. But it's also the the security gauge with much. Yes it's Yeah for the for. The book's always Nice Okay. Excellent thanks very much for talking again. They take friends that was accelerate for the week. First of all as always I want to thank you for joining me and I WANNA thank my guest. Adam hemp installed. Now join me again next week. As guest we Brendan mcadam. Brennan's the author of a very good book titled Sales Craft Proven Tips Practices and ideas to advance your sales success. Good book full of just basic tips. That are great for beginners and excellent for experienced sellers like comeback in SAR. Refresh themselves a little bit so definitely check this out. Be Sure John Brennan next week for that conversation. I WanNa thank you again for joining this week on accelerate until next week. I'm your host and Paul good selling everyone.

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S2E6: Big Log

Digging Deep with Robert Plant

16:52 min | 11 months ago

S2E6: Big Log

"It's a sensitive delicate deal. Dragging brand new songs out of the sky trading ideas accepting some storing others. Maybe later bag moving on and along with hardly a planet during the ZIP years. I never imagined full-scale album project the other guys uneven less the idea of new writing partners but then since one thousand nine hundred eighty one. I've enjoyed many amazing exciting musicians in the sharing in the writing and production and engineering men and women who encouraged an enlightened introducing me to crazy curves. I could never have imagined this podcast on going to be picking up some songs from here and the ad on the way mixing constant ships and sounded intention from across this long time. There's a story in all of them. I'm Robert Pont. This is digging deep. Hello welcome coming sit down. This is episode twelve over of digging deep with Robert Plant. This is the last episode in this season. As you probably know in this podcast Robert Chooses a song one of his collaboration and he's worked on a track from one of these bands and tells the story of that songs creation. It's that simple. So we've tackled some big songs in this series bones of saints like I've never. I've Been Gone Ohio. Achilles stand all of which can be heard now if you go back to previous episodes but Robert has been waiting to talk about the song in this episode. I think you might have been waiting. Talk about it as well and and In this episode this Episode Consensus Song that that looms large in your legend. Shall we say what are we choosing. Well I didn't about looming large in my legend alliteration. Interational artful aid. But I think I'd like to just props visit big log from July. Nineteen eighty-three from the album. Principle of moments Josh Taylor coming I was desperately trying. Eighty one eighty two eighty three to write songs and move away from previous musical place and to get the story right many years before. Before I went to rockville studios monmouth and Dave Edmunds recording. I knew the bride when she used to rock and roll and all that stuff and he was he's contract I think with RCA was up. And I really really loved that sort of South Wales rock and roll stuff with It does seem to be a nest of almost sounded like sort of early Nashville rock and roll nights nine hundred sixty two sixty three three kind of stuff and Dave. Edmunds was at the helm of it. All he had a great group yet. Saint Nick Lowe. Terry Williams was far. Add stuff Pretty Leib Bremner not a footballer and So I went to rock field enjoyed the place fan. Dave got him to sign a Ah Swan Song records and just went about my business and he had some good success at a good time and I used to pass by Rockford quite often because the Welsh borders is my sort of manner and down that pretty beautiful country and then at the end of nine thousand nine hundred eighty. I had no place to go led. Zeppelin was over. John was gone and so formed. A group called honey drips and We used to play clubs around England for for no money and I played with great band. Really they were really good players and we used to play small clubs and and go around and the driver of our van whose name was big. Dave used to coat to the front door of the club and say who's playing tonight and if anybody mentioned me we'd just drive on so it has to be the honey drips and that was hit so then we could play Aw stuff you really did that. Yeah and so Roy. Blunt been an Andy Silvester when the two guitar players who were in this band and they were both extraordinary players and still a- and We gotten to the point where there's only so many times you can play Gene Vincent songs to thirteen people in the the limit club in Dhabi. So aw I thought I really want to know whether or not we can make a big sound. That sounds big without it being really really heavy and tough so we went. I went to rock `field and cheer went down to what is now called Mono Valley Studios and pull the group together with Cozy Powell and Poor Martinez Jesuit on keyboards Paul Playing Bass Robbie Blunt and actually Andy Silvester played bass to begin with I need. I knew Andy from a group called shades of blue who played around the black country with Christine perfect on piano. Christina mcphee I- fabulous groups PREETI. Great arm be stuff And so we put this band together and started writing songs and And they rolled out in the kind of haphazard way and he decided against the idea of going for it again so poor Martinez came in to play Bass and we went to Rockville and start a record and it was really interesting. Because it's the first time ever I'd been away from the kind of the crash of Zeppelin and and I really didn't realize just how much patience and concentration you really need in in a studio to get people to perform give you something really really important what you mean well because Zeppelin seemed to roll out in some kind of magical way and quite often we recorded in Locations with a mobile truck so so we might play one the beginnings of one song for say trampled underfoot on physical graffiti. And we just played until it became something that was it because it was open all hours. A studio was there. The mikes were up engineer was always there. And if you went to wake him up and Rhody the go-to get some cider and crash the car and all that sort of thing so being in the confines of a studio with an engineer who has to go home because he got to keep his ears is clear and all that it was a real new twist I see and I had to really bluffed my way through it because I didn't really know studio Jio Etiquette so after all that success in Zeppelin. I never really went behind the desk except for to push the focal effects on the contracts a bit more here in that so it was a real challenge so to try and create changes in music and patent and form. I had to try and distance myself and learn at the same time about all sorts of different approaches to recording to writing performance and I was helped absolutely admirably by Phil Collins who came along he was also on Atlantic records and he came along and he said so you said John Bonham was probably the most important influence in my life. He said I'll sit in that store for you. So he came down and we did on. Both pictures are eleven and principle of moments he. He was an absolute restraint. Powerhouse with enthusiasm you know unending energy and lots of humor. We had a really great fun. Then he came onto with us. He said I can take. I can do this for a month and that was when India tonight was just breaking. I didn't know he to me. Yeah he gave everybody a coat in every night on the bus for paying too slow hello and of course they smooth and cool. You could call the other guys but Phil was having none of it. It stand up on the drum riser. What he sticks in your hand and get it right come on? Let's go so we go all that sort of great tremolos thing going on and I needed to soften it up a bit so we turned on a t R eight drum machine which you must have remembered from the heady days yes still still still aged quite well. Yeah some of those what would we do without hand claps of tr eater eight and for me it was like this is Shite this sound and but somehow if you play the right way with it you know and of course I was into for a D.. And stuff that was going on with Jesus Mary chain on. There was loads and loads of music that I was interested in in that kind of almost darkened shadow of the music that time and so we powered up the eight hundred eight and Roy Blunt with his amazing eloquence on Qatar. Started playing this melody Eh and big log was born and it seemed like fallen off a log. Doug really just. It was just like just very very easy to write a road song. No Talk of Pensacola Call of Florida. Or you know scotts bluff or sadly no beautiful names like Newport Gwen to you know Bruce with you. Can't write them into a song. But when I saw Lucinda Williams the other night she was discussing her album. The car wheels on a gravel road and she was going through each song and she was talking about song. How how what could you do if you called New Orleans New Orleans? It wouldn't work in the song but you can actually mutate every name with Louisiana draw. Oh so I couldn't mention any names in big lock. I couldn't say where I was going. 'cause I was probably going to real but I could write about going and most of my time has been about coming and going they It it is interesting you can. You can watch artists relationship with some songs about with that song surfaces and performances and maybe fools out for tour too you can see them talking about and how that ebb and flow of like. Actually I really any. Don't WanNa hear that song ever again. It's fine ever want to hear it again to come in from the cold because yeah now I've had a bit of time away from you. You like an appreciate your good points as well as your bad points. And I guess you're always going to have something that we I mean with spaceships as we revisited it about three years ago And how was that great. Because we spent some time in Memphis and we'd been rented studio where Woody Mitchell's tools used to work producing. And so we'd been to where Al Green it cut his tough in a so we were talking about the Al Green Rhythm and how late is so we decided to have a block from Wolverhampton singing and green song and and and so it had another life. I don't know whether the guys from jaw wobble and casten attack wanted to go leading me on But anyway there's a song and another one of those sons and ironically after that on later run down the line I wrote a song called away. I feel that it's basically big long part. Two's Great Song with Doug Boyle Playing Guitar. It's not funny either. It's it's torrid horrid more targeted there you go. That's it that's the actual story of big log that connick track for once and for all. That's the story behind it. We hope you enjoyed. You're listening. This is actually the last in this series of digging deep with Robert Plant Thank you to everyone involved in making this happen. Not Least Robert for doing the interviews picking the songs and making very good capacity During the recording. We do appreciate that quite a lot. There is as we've talked about on previous shows. A new digging deep vinyl box set coming out collection of eight seven inch singles featuring some besides rarities and hits you can buy it comes in this beautiful bespoke book a glorious present for anyone in your life coming up to Christmas quite sued. Why not get it? Dot Com for more information on that. Because it is a thing of beauty. Hopefully we'll be back pretty soon. There are more stories to tell. There are more so talk about and there's plenty more where this series came from so until then it. Thank you very much for listening. This is a cup. A nuzzle production.

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1366 Get the Correct Lead, Canter and Lope Exercises by Wintec Saddles

Horse Tip Daily

00:00 sec | 6 months ago

1366 Get the Correct Lead, Canter and Lope Exercises by Wintec Saddles

"This is the Horse Radio Network greetings. Everyone coach Jen here. And thanks for tuning in to horse tip daily episode. Thirteen sixty six. An expert from the monthly certified Horsemanship Association episode on Horses in the morning. Where Christie Land? Where and Terry were Terry Williams. Offer some advice on training a horse and rider to be equally adept on both leads at the canter or Lope. This tip is brought to you today by win techs. And why don't we hear a little bit about what's happening over at when tech before we get to our tip available now. From leading retailers throughout North America the new and improved ranged from the world's favorite synthetic saddle brand combining hard wearing materials with best in class technology. The range of new and improved win Tech Saddles. Now has something for every discipline confirmation and budget. The new specialist confirmation saddle models include the wind tech two thousand highway. They're all purpose win tech two thousand wide all-purpose and the wind tech pro y dressage. And that's not all improved comfort for you and your horse with super soft panels that mold in and around your horses working muscles for a closer more stable fit plus the amazing new saddle flap that contours around your horse. Channeling your thigh to improve contact head out to your local retailer and have a sit. In one of the new and improved wind tek saddles or visit them online. At Win Tech Saddles that saddles plural dot. Us Win Tek Saddles Dot us. Well and sticking with that theme of you know her showing and things obviously is important to have to leads at the cancer or the low. Even if you throw a ride or don't horse show but it's really important if your show. So what do you do Terry? For riders who find their horses only have one lead at the CANTU or the Lope instead of two A lot of times it starts out with that that can be a rider problem too. I mean it could also be a horse issue Sometimes horses are stiffer one direction than the other. So you have to work on. Bending encounter abandoned help make them more flexible. Every horse should be out and move hips and shoulders as you ask So basically one thing to keep in mind that a lot of a lot of people out there other than writing. Most variety destructors understand. The concept is the lead comes from the Hind in and the horse. Judge when you're judging bid classes you know at. That wasn't set up right. If he didn't move his hind end over. I knew he was going to miss his lead before they took that first up. And that would help me you know spin around and catch the rest of them that Mr Lee Miss. Your lead. That's about twenty points off when you're thinking about it and you're not gonNA place in that class and as a judge that helps you knock down the class now. As an instructor you know and my daughter. She really had a hard time with us. I mean so her riding instructor to work on her to you know to get the worst. Listen to wait so basically you ask. The horse moves hips to the to the inside with your outside leg and when he gives so that in response to move that sits over. That's when you ask them to go forward with your outside. See and have your. You still had her outside leg behind the girth. Ask for a little bit more leg and you're inside leg. Is that the earth. Keep him on the rail and basically he will begin to learn to pick up that league correct but once again he has to be bending first. So you have to do the groundwork before you start asking. But once he's able to move and tip over he's usually going to get that lead and I had have another example. That's Kinda funny. My daughter used to laugh at me that She showed for eight from the time she was eight years old. And whenever you're in the warm of brain there's a lot of kids that don't have you know instructors that their parents have been helping teach them and they had problems in the warm up praying and I would constantly help people even though their daughters competition. That's what my daughter would think. It was funny actually. She wasn't upset because you know she's learned to ride for herself. Not for the competition So I would help people and one time. There was a girl at this big show. That was that the world press center when it used to be called Roberts and the girl missing or lead. The one lead in the warm-up brain and her mom was totally frustrated and Basically I just said hey you know I can help you. This is what my daughter learned not tell her I was a ride. Instructors just said I can help you. You know this is. My daughter has the same problem and tottered to move that. Horse's hip over and within ten minutes. She was getting relieved within eighty percent of the time just within ten minutes in. She could do that now. The funny part was she's like I've been taking lessons. You know for two years twice a week and her instructor jumping and she said well. Don't worry about the league. We're just not gonNA worry about delays and right there. I mean it sits in the horseshoe. She's not gonNA place if she misses that lead and so I mean basically with teaching her that and having the patience and our horse was already you know he was bending and everything. It's just a matter. It was pilot. Error is what I call it just encouraging our you know she did well at that. Show so sick my business card invented instructor. But I've never been in it for the money I've been in it for the joy of teaching if that makes them nervous because I needed to make money but you still do a lot of teaching on the side as a traveling trainer so I enjoy. I enjoy it so much. Well that about wraps it up. You can find links to today's guests and topics horse tip daily Dot Com. Make sure to have all of your favorite Horse Radio Network shows with you wherever you go by downloading the free horse radio network APP for your iphone or your android. Just go to your APP store and Search Horse Radio Network. It's free and easy to use. You can also subscribe tongue. I tunes or your favorite streaming APP. Thank you again to our sponsor. Today Win Tek saddles learn more about when Tech Saddles and the new models for high with horses and white horses at your local tax door or you can visit them online at one TEK SADDLES DOT com. That's saddles plural when TECH SADDLES DOT com. This is coach. Jen and I will be back again soon with another tip so until then Karai yours. The Horse Radio Network and the Horse Radio Network hosts are not responsible for statements made by guests on the horse tip daily. Please use your own judgment when listening to the tips on this show. 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BONUS: Equal Pay Day 2020

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42:35 min | 7 months ago

BONUS: Equal Pay Day 2020

"Truths Bresso episode Forty Bonus episode base. It we all would rather sleep in this morning. That's why God gave us Espresso to kick-start our Zombie corpses into hyper drive now. Giving your mind and soul the morning shot of truth craves this is truths Bresso with Daniel Mimic. Hello everyone this. Is Daniel Mimic your host of truths? Bresso and I thought that I would introduce a bonus episode for Tuesday March thirty first. So why would I introduce an extra bonus episode for Tuesday March thirty first well amid all of this corona virus pandemic frenzy and all the disruptions to the economy and businesses being forced to close their doors and either do online activities or restaurants needing to offer pickup and delivery? You may not realize that today. Tuesday March thirty first twenty twenty has been deemed by certain activists groups as equal pay day. Now what is equal payday? Well Equal Pay. Day is a specific date chosen every year that is represented and calculated by certain statistics by activists groups promoting the so-called gender pay gap or the gender wage gap. So what is this gender wage gaffe? Well this is the statistical calculation of how much men working full time on average may compared to women working full time on average it is an aggregate statistic and you see figures ranging from say seventy seven percent to eighty two percent that women allegedly well actually. Anyway there's no reason to dispute those statistics. The the facts of the facts. The numbers represent something about reality that women on average if you take an aggregate some of statistics representing women working a certain definition of full time and their annual salary reason you add up the total it ends up being anywhere from say seventy seven percent to eighty two percent of what the total the aggregate of what men on average make and so this is called the gender pay gap and the idea is that this is a crisis or some kind of level of a problem politically that needs to be rectified. That somehow society needs to iron out this imbalance and work toward getting those amounts to be closer to being equal with each other. And we're not seeing a whole lot about this. We you know. Because of the corona virus. You're not going to see a bunch of activists women gathering together in the streets and doing some more CH- or protest because we need to be practicing social distancing and a lot of states or municipalities. Have stay at home. Mandates and so You might see some cries about closing the gender pay gap on social media and in the news. But it's kind of drowned out by the global pandemic of the corona virus. But I WANNA give a little bit of voice to this issue and so I'm GonNa make this bonus episode for Equal Pay Day Twenty Twenty Tuesday March thirty first twenty twenty. Here's the episode about equal. Pay Day so I was looking at a column about the corona virus of course but how the corona virus pandemic relates to the gender pay gap. Because someone needs to be talking about this gender pay gap and so. There's this article that I was looking at. From the Star advertiser website STARADVERTIZER DOT COM and the column is entitled. Close gender pay gap especially now during the corona virus crisis and I will provide a link to this article in the show notes and so to quote the star adviser in this article quote. According to a U WS research on the gender pay gap the simple truth about the gender pay gap women make about eighty cents for every dollar pay to a man unquote and so. That's one of the statistics as I said earlier. It can range anywhere on the given year or the given metrics of the particular study can range from seventy seven often. Seventy eight percent to eighty two percent and a lot of Sites might round that to about eighty so on average women make about eighty cents for every dollar that a man makes and so the question of this is why does this mean that companies are actually paying women who do the exact same job as men eighty percent of what they pay the men to do the exact same work now. There are people who think that this is what the gender pay gap represents but even the ones the activists actually proposing and pushing the gender pay gap issue. They're not advocating. That's really what's going on. They're not saying that. This figure represents businesses paying women less to do the exact same work with the exact same experience as men with the same job title. That's not what they're saying and of course for obvious reasons. That would not be feasible because think about it. I mean the same people the same kind of leftist politics that would push this issue also believe that businesses are greedy that a lot of corporations lot of businesses. They like to cut costs as much as they can. If they can get away with it they can charge ext exorbitant prices for the goods or services. They sell they are greedy profiteering and so if they can get away with it they would pay their workers a penny a day but you know thanks to unions in the government and so on and so forth. They are forced to pay begrudgingly people. A little clue bit closer to what their Labor is actually worth but let's go back to the gender pay gap if businesses were actually paying women only eighty percent of what they were paying men if they were saving twenty percent as they pay women's salaries to do the exact same work as a male counterparts. Then why would they even pay men to begin with? I mean someone you'd think someone would have the brilliant idea and pitch it to the CEO of the business and say. Hey you know where we could really cut costs. Let's fire all the men and replace them with women because we could save twenty percent on wages that way and this would be a win win situation. I mean if we fired all the men and save on the cost of paying men you know the discrimination to be men and we like to pay men more but you know. Here's this bright idea. Just fire all the men and hire women to replace them and we would save a lot of money but we would also win in politics by saying that. We employ more women than any other firm. I mean how could they lose? Why has an anyone been smart enough to do that? If that were the case as I said there are some people who actually think that this is what's going on that's that women are being discriminated against and I would say that if businesses are as greedy as you they are they would give women all the jobs and save money so that's obviously not what's going on. They wouldn't be hiring men purely out of misogyny and paying them more just because they like to see men's faces so that's not what's going on. So what really is going on? Well if you take the aggregate which is what the gender wage gap is you would realize that these are quite the aggregates they. They don't really communicate a lot of specific information. I mean the whole full-time issue is working thirty five hours per week or more and that fills quite the range of work. I mean someone could be working eighty hours a week. And they're just lumped into those statistics with other people who have very flexible schedules. Were working thirty five hours a week. So how is that really a realistic figure? Even if the statistics are true they are truly mathematical statistics. You have the total here for women you have the total here for men you divide wanted to the other and you end up with eighty percent. That's the true figure. The question is what do these statistics actually mean when we aggregate them now to quote this article again close the gender pay gap especially now during the corona virus further down in the article toward the end quote. Finally the front line of the fight against Corona virus is mostly female or soon will be since twenty fifteen women have made up the majority of overall medical students across the country. According to the Association of American Medical Colleges in the nursing field women feel an overwhelming majority of the jobs at eighty seven percent in twenty eighteen according to research done by the Washington Center for equitable growth unquote. So the article correctly. Points out that there are far more female nurses than there are male nurses and nursing especially is in very high demand in these times with the corona virus and so you have a lot of women now as nurses risking their and their safety trying to care for all these people in the hospitals. Now I definitely get that believe me. I sincerely get that. There are truly more women nurses than men and I've seen some of my friends on social media talk about the situation who work as nurses and they're truly courageous and they have a a a very good heart to do what they do. My heart grieves for my friends. Who are nurses who I know from college who are in this situation? But did anyone force them to be nurses that is still the choices is still represented by the choices that they make and some of these women still desire to be nurses. They're they're fighting a battle and that's out of the heart that God gave them to be nurses. This is still the choice that these women made to become nurses so who is forcing all these women into the nursing profession or did they actually desire it and work hard to graduate and passed the exams to get these jobs now. Let's also consider another factor that goes into these jobs? Let's think of all the tools that nurses can use in their medical care. All think about all the advanced medical technology available think of all the hospital buildings and the electrical circuitry and equipment that these nurses us who designed all that who created all that think of the construction workers who built the hospital buildings. Think of the civil engineers who needed to design the plans for these buildings. Think of all the mechanical engineers needed for some of the equipment. The electrical engineers needed for the lights to work in the electricity to flow in these hospital buildings and think of the chemical engineers who designed a lot of the chemical related equipment. Now we're going to look at some statistics a little bit later in this episode. But can you guess who dominates the fields? That actually are involved in creating this so that nurses can do their jobs. Well these are mostly men who did this. So according to this article it is insisting that we close the gender pay gap and especially now during the krona virus crisis so we as citizens have an obligation to close this gap. How do we do this? Do we need to lobby our legislators to do something as it were about this injustice? Well could they do? What could we do? Do we intervene. In the choices. People make should the Government Force Lebron James to stop playing some amazing basketball and getting paid millions of dollars to work as a store clerk so we can help even the economic scales between men and women now if a wife desires the freedom that she and her husband agreed for her to be a housewife or to work part. Time to take care of kids in. Have a flexible minimized job schedule while her wealthy. Ceo Husband manages a business. Should the government force her to work a certain kind of full time? Job You know forced her to work more or a job demands more of from her and makes her less available for the kids. Should the government force that husband to resign from that company and even risk having the company shut? Its doors so that the husband can get a flexible secretarial job. Is this how we want to close the gender wage gap? I mean. That's one way to do it? But with the husband be better off with the wife the better off with the kids be better off. Would the economy be better off if we saw fewer businesses and fewer skills being allowed to work the way they've chosen to make ends meet and chosen to produce for the economy just for the sake of some kind of equality as I said? A lot of these differences are voluntary choices. Various men and women make as they view the future that they intend. What is one differentiating factor that can affect or that can contribute to this? Gender WAGE GAP. Well one of those factors is a choice of college major and career. Now this is not any kind of conspiracy. This is truth. People make choices and going to look at an article that actually loose. At lists tables of the top choices for careers of men and women and how different they are and how they are different on pay scales and you can probably figure out. Why is you look at the different career choices? So on average now of course you can always point out some of the people who are above average who are not quite average. You could say we'll that's not true. I know a woman who is a construction worker or works on an oil rig or who is an electrical engineer or things like that. Of course that's true. No one is belittling that. No one is saying. That's not a good thing. All I'm saying is let choices be choices. There's nothing suppressing or determining these choices. These are just the choices that people make choices have consequences and if you like the choice you deal with how your choice determines. The factors are now on average as I said I have to say those words. On average women are more child oriented and nurturing than men and so this personality trait often manifests itself on average in certain career choices according to an article called which majors have the highest concentrations of men verses women written by contributor Terry Williams for the website. Good Call Dot Com. I will provide a link to this one in the show notes. Terry Williams provides tables from a Georgetown University study. And we're going to look at these tables. So what are the top ten professions careers that are dominated by women so going in descending order from highest female concentration to lowest female concentration number one early childhood education ninety seven percent female and the average annual salary is thirty six thousand number two medical assisting services ninety six percent female average annual salary fifty-six six thousand number? Three's school student. Counseling Ninety FOUR PERCENT FEMALE ANNUAL SALARY. Fifty three thousand number four communication disorders sciences and Services Ninety four percent female forty thousand a year number five library science ninety three percent female fifty five thousand a year number six family and Consumer Sciences Ninety three percent female forty thousand dollars a year number seven nursing ninety two percent female sixty thousand a year number eight elementary education ninety one percent female forty thousand a year number nine nutrition sciences eighty nine percent female forty six thousand a year and number ten special needs education eighty eight percent female forty two thousand dollars a year so besides nursing nursing is the top earning of this list and I would definitely say that nursing is a very good profession that women go into that his in high demand and is highly skilled and technically skilled scientifically skilled. But you know it pays more than these other ones for good reason but notice. How many of these professions are geared toward caring for children? Now of course children need care. No one's knocking. No one is in any way saying that these professions are not needed. They are very much needed. There's a lot of need for teaching. Young children are elementary age. Children are special needs children. So why are they paid so low? Well because there are far more women who get into these careers then the demand actually require so you have a lot of women who go to college for these majors and then they struggle trying to get a job in these areas. Because there's so much competition to get employed in these professions because there are so many women vying for these jobs and when you have a huge supply of over of qualified candidates for these positions they bid down the prices. They bid down the salaries and so. I'm not saying that these professions don't involve hard work and don't involve a lot of care and don't involve a lot of heart they do. It's just a function of supply and demand and since so many women are vying for these jobs the ones who do get those jobs at get hired or the ones who are willing to work for less or work part time or or are willing to in turn finally to get a full time job in these positions. It's just a fact of economics. That is why these professions pay less they also except for nursing or different medical professions. That require you to study. A lot of medical terminology know how to care for people medically and technically a Lotta. These don't require a lot of high level math or analytical thinking in complex algorithms so now let's look at the table of male dominated professions. The top ten that are concentrated. Mostly male number one naval architecture and marine engineering ninety seven percent male. Eighty two thousand dollars a year number. Two Mechanical Engineering Related Technologies Ninety four percent male. Sixty four thousand dollars a year number. Three military technologies ninety three percent male and the salary is not listed in this table in this article number four construction services ninety two percent male seventy thousand dollars a year number five electrical and mechanical repairs and technologies ninety one percent male. Fifty seven thousand dollars a year number six nuclear engineering ninety one percent male one hundred and four thousand six hundred thirty dollars a year number seven industrial production technologies ninety one percent male sixty five thousand dollars a year number eight mechanical engineering ninety percent male eighty thousand dollars a year number nine mining and mineral engineering ninety percent male eighty thousand dollars a year and number ten electrical engineering technology ninety percent male sixty eight thousand dollars a year so there are two things that we can notice about this list of male dominated fields number one. They are highly technical and number two. They pay a lot more than most of the fields in the female dominated list. The only one that pays more from the female list is nursing than a few of these ones in the mail list. Now do you think this is just because businesses prefer to pay men more for the sake of being men? No those who work in these fields earn more because there are fewer of them and they exhibit technical skills to design products or provide services that are in high demand but low supply. Remember this is a function of supply and demand. These fields provide goods and services. That are vitally needed for our industrialized growing economy. But it's very difficult work and it requires a lot of mental strain and math skills to be able to succeed in these fields and proportionally. There are not as many people willing to go through the rigorous educational platform to graduate and practice in these fields as there are in something like early childhood education. Now what I'm saying. This is not a knock on women at all. This is not the patriarchy going on. This is simply supply and demand and market functions at work in the way things actually generate wealth and a lot of the women in the other professions. Make use of many of the things that are designed and built by mostly men in these technical professions. Think of the laptops powerpoint presentations all all the technology even that educational professions use and rely on to teach students. These are created by the technical professions. And I'm of course. I'm not cheerleading. Men here I WANNA make clear. I would love to have more women in technical professions if they're willing to do it but I mean just proportionately it's just the nature of the way a lot more women think more about family issues and nurturing children than for like studying complex math or algorithms algorithms or sitting in front of a computer typing out code. You know there are women you know. Of course these statistics show. There are women in those fields. And do you think that a woman working in nuclear engineering is going to get paid thirty thousand a year? Because she's a woman no she's GonNa get paid as much as the man is because because supply and demand dictate that so the choice of college major and career is a factor that differentiates the wages that people earn and women just happen to dominate based on their choices a lot. More lower paid professions and men based on their choices just so happen to dominate higher paying more technical professions but what is the biggest factor now in this gender wage gap? Well Marriage and children make a world of difference. According to the article by Terry Williams quote Dr Peggy Shaddock District Director of the Dallas County community. College Stem Institute adds quote. There is a complex cultural and social history associated with the roles of men and women in society that history is a major influence on our gender identities and therefore some of the decisions we make when we identify with a gender group Unquote from Shattuck. Now continuing the article according to shook these gender identification decisions are impacted by society's economic conditions religious traditions and other cultural factors quote from Peggy. Shook most of us who are in the world of higher education deal with the consequences of this and work to slowly make inroads toward changing the culture on quote she says Unquote from the article. So what is this article saying? It saying we choose to identify with a gender group and then history and culture have molded. Sir Nigel? Identity or gender groups earned those who identify with them to associate certain types of professions and so that's allegedly something that we can change just by political activism. But wait a minute shoes. Some of the decisions we make when we identify with the Gender Group you mean someone just decides to identify as a woman and then therefore by intentionally identifying that way then decides to go into early childhood education or gets pregnant is that with articles is suggesting I know this whole identity. Politics and critical theory and gender identity. Stuff has really taken off today but no one chooses to have the biology of of a woman that makes her get pregnant or the biology of a husband who works to take care of a wife who gets pregnant. This is not choosing to identify with a certain gender identity or gender group but let's consider one of the aspects of this Gender Group. How about the fact that pregnancy actually has economic impact notice from the article when we identify with Gender Group on quote yes part of quote unquote identifying with the Gender Group is when a couple decide to have kids. Let's give an example of how you know. Pregnancy effects things economically. Let me give really ridiculous. Example for example if a monster hailstorm destroys crops or a drought makes living more expensive. No one could just want a legal magic wand and make things easier for everyone. Someone will be working harder to make do with less production now. I'm not comparing pregnancy. You're caring for a baby with a drought or anything. I'm just making a point. Things can happen or even the choice to have. Children is a voluntary choice. That should recognize that you know. Pregnancy causes a break from the workforce necessarily. I mean you know no woman would should really want to give birth on the job and you know the point is obvious. Getting pregnant has its complications. Have morning sickness in easy to take care of your body to take care of the child in the womb and prepare for delivery in there's disruption to work now if women want to make as much as men on the aggregate on average then they could pursue careers in engineering and medical careers like surgery though they make a lot whether men male or female or software development and other highly scientific and technical fields and there are some who do this there are some women at even my work you do software development and I knew in college women who were in engineering and software development who were very smart and have successful careers as a result of that. It's possible but if you're willing if you want to bridge the wage gap. It's all a matter of personal choice. You shouldn't deny someone else their choice. Now so women could choose to go into these careers if they want to make as much as the typical man or you know on average that the typical man makes according to the statistics in which they dominate these careers. They could get into those fields and they could also vowed never to have children so problem solved right now. Of course we'd recognize that that would be a problem. Fewer children would mean that the next generation would suffer dramatically. And so we all recognize the need to have children and so to have children both men. Both women and men need to make the necessary sacrifices and accommodations to take care of the next generation. So consider this mere wages don't necessarily dictate individual benefit when a wife lives more at home while the husband works. It's not as if she is not earning anything all consider how this works economically. The husband is earning the money and he is essentially paying the wife with some of his earnings in this. The husband who is earning for the House has less of his own earnings at his disposal and much more of it can end up for the needs of his wife and children then even his own but that can often be y men pursue such difficult careers that can require a toll on their physical bodies. Our brains think of people who work in the trades that can have a toll on their physical body and they can work long hours but the trades make a lot of money and so a lot of men who think about having a family go for those trades and they can make a lot of money for their family and they work hard in those difficult dirty careers and then eventually they'll have enough money to save for their retirement or children's education or so that you know when the children are grown you know they and their wives can enjoy their golden years but it is in the nature of man to provide for others. So why stifle this or encourage them to provide less? So what about this? Aggregating those statistics we mention choices of careers. We mentioned the factor of marriage and family and having kids. And it's a biological fact that you can't wish away with a legal wand so here's an article by an analyst named Mark Perry entitled details in new. Bls report suggests that most of the gender earnings gap is explained by age marital status. Children hours worked. And this is from a I dot. Org will provide a link to this article in the show notes. So very quickly. This article takes apart those aggregates. Because if you don't diss aggregate the aggregate statistics provided by the gender wage gap politics. They don't really communicate the full truth. Your left coming to conclusions that you shouldn't come to so this aggregating those statistics according to Mark Perry and these statistics are provided by the Bureau of Labor and Statistics. They're not by some patriarchal think tank. They're provided by the government. So is anyone going to question those. I mean you know. Critics of the government might question them. But if you want to be as least biased as you can be toward polit- leftist political activists cite statistics provided by a bureau of the government. So according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics and Mark Perry desegregate statistics that are available from the Bureau of Labor Statistics? Report men on average work longer hours than women. So you mean if you work longer hours. And there's a certain pay rate per hour you're going to end up earning more total than if you worked fewer hours Say It isn't so but according to the statistics men on average work longer hours than women and of course there are reasons for that. Obviously one of the reasons is family children more than half. The gap is represented by the dynamics that marriage and children introduce so. That's biology not patriarchy so in conclusion. Let US consider this gender wage gap. Is this the Patriarchy at work? Am I as a critic of this gender wage gap movement a part of the patriarchy? No I believe that. Everyone has the freedom to work toward the career of their choice whether male or female and to plan for a family or no family as desired as long of course as you are not oppressing anyone or killing babies in the womb or harming children but wage gap activists act as if nature is oppression and that the government needs to intervene coercively in people's free choices and dispositions and talents just to make things equal. But what is the cost of this? So-called equality is this so-called equality even a prize to be won. Would society be better off if we forced such an equality to happen that these aggregates statistics for the total earnings of men and women working so called full-time at thirty five hours a week or more? If these statistics were equal would that make society better or would such coercion in the free choices of people by nature caused the economy to shrink living conditions to be lessened and would family? Well being sacrificed in the process and I'll let you decide that. Thank you for waking up with truths wrestle. Good Morning and God bless your day. Hey Friends Daniel Mimic year again. If you liked waking up to this episode of Truth Espresso I would really appreciate it. If you would rate it on apple podcasts stitcher or whatever application you used to listen to truths Bresso.

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WokeAF Daily 4.28.20 - What Are Seven Million Lives Worth?

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WokeAF Daily 4.28.20 - What Are Seven Million Lives Worth?

"Only good morning peeves and welcome to walk daily with meet your girl. Danielle Moody Right here. Live from the Long Island bunker it is Tuesday. I know that it is difficult for you. Guys to keep track of the days but it is Tuesday April twenty eighth if you can imagine that for those of us that are in an around the Tri State New York area. It is close to sixty days that we have been As Governor Cuomo will refer to it on pause this week. There are several states that are re opening for business. Texas being the latest to announced through Governor Abbot yesterday when he has said that he is opening up the state and opening up recreational areas and the goal here is that they will be opened at twenty five percent capacity in order to consistently work with social distancing and I guess the state of Texas is just open to being a petri dish. You know we'll see what happens right. The same thing is happening in Georgia and in a handful of states around the country. What is incredibly? How do I say this? What do you say you know at this time? Yesterday trump held A. I don't know what the fuck you call it right. It wasn't a fucking press conference right when you tout abundant executives and you sideline your health officials your scientists right and you decide instead to put executives front and center you know exactly where the priorities of this president and this administration is and it isn't in making sure that we don't sir pass the million infection rate in the United States. Now mind you that. The closest country behind the United States in terms of corona virus infections is in fact I believe. Hold on. Don't quote me on it. Let's let's let me look because it is either Spain or it is Italy and what is worldwide. Couldn't put it this way. Let let let's just. Let's just take a look at this worldwide? There are three million cases K with eight hundred. Seventy eight thousand eight hundred and thirteen people have recovered and two hundred and eight thousand one hundred and thirty one deaths in the country. Okay in the world. Excuse me in the world in the United States okay. This is according to recent Google News. The United States has in fact surpassed the one million corona virus cases okay. United States had surpassed that then next country who is not even close to where the United States has exploded in Spain at two hundred nineteen thousand seven hundred sixty four cases. It is incredibly devastating. What has happened in the United States? And what's even worse is that we have a president that doesn't give a fuck. He is either spending part of his time. You know just brainstorming out loud to the entire population of the Youtube of the United States saying things like we can use UV lights to you know inject in the body or maybe we can use disinfectant. Or maybe if we all stand on our heads and spin ten times that'll knock the virus out or hey maybe we'll use an ar fifteen and just shoot it out of our bodies. Every time that the President Miss Speaks or as I prefer to say talks a lot of hot shit the White House then comes out and says well. What are you crazy. It was just? He was just being sarcastic or he was just thinking. Or He's just questioning the loud. Let me tell you what time when it is okay for the president to question during his daily fucking presidential briefings. That are behind closed doors. Those are the times when you ask the questions. No matter how fucking stupid you ask them but you asked them of scientists and doctors and researchers not of the fucking my pillow guy. Or whoever else is stock that you own in the hydrochloric wine or in the tests that are being administered all of those executives yesterday got up in the fucking Rose Garden talking about the fact that Oh we can now do sixty thousand test a week. Do you know how many tests scientists have been telling us that? We need in order to be able to reopen safely. You're talking of upwards of two hundred thousand test a fucking day so tell me how sixty thousand tests in a week is helping us. It isn't what the trump administration and all these fucking sycophants in these assholes that are out in the streets protesting what they have seen. And I've gotten into many an argument about this. What they have seen and what they know is that they are not the ones that are infected that statistically it is black and Brown people that are dying at a rapid rate from this virus on top of the elderly. Now we already know that the elderly according to the Lieutenant Governor of Texas is expendable right. They should just give up their lives. You know so that. Their grandchildren can have a robust economy. Remember that conversation and then they look at black and Brown people and they say well. We didn't fuck and want you here any way and if slavery didn't kill your ancestors then hopefully maybe cove it will finish the job so they don't care. I have no doubt that if the statistics were that white people were dying at ten times the rate of black and Brown people. All we wouldn't be opening a fucking pack of Gum let alone a state so the things that we have to do in this moment is we're member. I am begging you all not to lose sight of what has been happening in this country since January up until now it will be may at the end of this week and what this president has. Purposefully turn a blind eye to so the latest reporting in the Washington Post. Let's let's let's go to the Washington Post Latest what we have learned what we have learned is that Intel agencies warned trump and the administration and whatever cabinet is actually full of the threat of the corona virus. This is according to Greg Miller and Alan Nakashima of the Washington Post. Let me tell you quote. Us Intelligence Agency agencies issued warnings about the novel Corona virus in more than a dozen classified briefings prepared for president trump in January and February months during which he continued to play down the threat according to current and former US officials. The repeated warnings were conveyed in issues of the President's daily brief PDP a sensitive report that is produced before dawn each day and designed to call the president's attention to the most significant global developments and security threats for weeks the PD be as the report is known. Trace the viruses spread around the globe made clear that China was suppressing information about contingents transmissibility and lethal toll and raise the prospect of dire political and economic consequences. This came to the president's attention to the cabinet members attention in fucking January in February. This president was still perpetuating lies calling it a hoax and downplaying the number of cases saying that. Oh we have fifteen and soon it will be down to zero well. I don't know how many Zeros he was talking about. But now we've hit this seven-figure mark at one million four thousand four hundred thirty five corona virus cases in the United States. Not One state. Not One state in this union has gotten things under control and yet now we no longer are going to be hearing from scarf lady or DR found she because they're being sidelined because the image that the trump administration wants to put forward. Is that your public health? Concerns are unnecessary. You don't need to worry about social distancing and you don't need to worry about masks and contagion and all of those you know uncomfortable non cheerleader things. You can focus in on Reopen America. Which is what the title was at his. Rose Garden briefing to teleprompters or to whatever it is computer screens that said reopening America. Now I've been saying for weeks now that the president can't reopen shit. He didn't fucking close. And what we have. Right now is a patchwork of guidelines a patchwork of reopenings enclosures and pauses and stops but nothing uniform. Nothing unified and now what we are. What we know is that this president doesn't fuck and read to begin with so we know that presidential briefings If it wasn't coming in the form of a segment on Fox News we can guarantee that he wasn't paying attention to it and in the time right. Just remember again folks. I am begging you. There is nothing more important than your memory. As we march towards November remember that when trump was receiving presidential daily briefings he d bees when he was receiving them and learning that China was suppressing. How deadly how contagious this virus was not only did trump ship seventeen tons of P. ES to China he also sang the praises of Zhang Ping. Okay the president who he was told by his own intelligence committees were lying lying to the world and lying to trump now. What else have we learned during this time because folks let us connect the fucking dots. Because I'm telling you if you look at the big picture of this I constantly say follow the money. Okay so let me take you on a walk ready. Trump gets a warning from intel agencies which he doesn't trust by the way because they're the same intel agencies that alerted us to the fact that he's a fucking cheater and tried to pressure the Ukraine also alerted us to the fact that William bar his. Us Attorney General also tried to pressure the Aussies in order to do their dirty work for them. So there's a reason why Intel intelligence agencies are not trusted with this administration. Because if you're a crook why would you trust people whose job it is to investigate criminals? You wouldn't okay. January February trump is getting presidential daily briefing six okay then the end of January beginning of February knowing that this virus is coming to our fucking shores seventeen tons of PPE's to China okay. We learned through politico last week. That guess who trump is in debt to for over two hundred million dollars not the United States trump guess who trump is in debt to according to politico. He's in debt to the US to the Bank of China the Bank of China which floated loans for his developments around the globe so pause for a second. Donald Trump is in debt. He doesn't have the money in order to pony up would is coming do which is over two hundred million dollars so to appease the Chinese sends them over medical supplies that we desperately we're going to need in a month's time in the United States and then in that same time is praising the president of China. Now that's only number one. That's only the first dot. Do you know what the other dot is? The other dot is the fuck and trade deal. That was being worked on between the United States and China. Now why is this important? Okay because trump has used the economy as the reason why he should be president of the United States why he should ride scot-free into a second term. What we know is that his trade deals or lack thereof have fucked American farmers and fucked production in the United States K then the Chinese put in a clause in the trade agreement that has to do with if in fact there is a global pandemic and production stops. The deal. You know won't fall apart right. Trump needs to sign this because he needs to tout success. But what do we know about? All of trump's successes that they are built on bullshit smeared on a deck of cards and it's only a matter of time before it all falls down and begins to stick bring us to the present moment. April twenty eighth over one million cases of the corona virus many hospitals at capacity governors forced to do negotiations on their own with foreign entities because the United States is in doing it on their behalf states having to fight for p. p. e. and ventilators no unified response and no acknowledgement of anything that any mistakes any slow to reaction on the part of this administration on top of which after last week's bleach comments. Multiple states were reporting calls into health hotlines at least thirty. People administered disinfectant on themselves in the state of New York. Lysol had to issue a statement clorox to issue a statement but when asked yesterday if the president bears any responsibility. What do you think that his fucking answer was he a responsible for a Goddamn thing? Right sounds about right so this president wants to take absolutely no responsible for a spike in poison control after his statements. This is what the daily beast is reporting on Monday. Trump claims no responsibility for the spike in calls to poison control centers after he suggested last week that ingesting disinfectants could be used as corona virus cure when asked about the rise and call specifically related household. Cleaner trump. Responded. I can't imagine why. How fucking dumb do? Republicans think that we are. I asked myself that on a day to day basis because when I see their base out with signs that read the blame Obama or spell words like open wrong you know. I understand why. They think that they can get away with so much because their basis dumb and I'm not afraid to say so. Hillary Clinton called them deplorable. I don't think that she went far enough. They're fucking stupid and in this particular case. Stupidity actually is dangerous and can potentially be contagious. You have multiple rallies that are taking place across the country with people white folks demanding with their ar fifteen strapped to their backs and Gas Max on their faces and waving their fucking American flag. That it's time to reopen. Because who believes in science who believes in the media. There are a bunch of mindless bulls followers sheep. That's where we are so the time line is very clear here and the more digging that will be done. The more we will learn right the more it will become apparent what is happened. What trump ignored and how his decision to ignore Intel from his own agencies cost American lives. Now you had a White House. Spokesperson of course dispute the Characterization. That trump was slow to respond in fact sports spokesman Hogan Gidley said this. President trump rose to fight the crisis head on by taking early aggressive historic action again. Is this a case of? Don't believe what you hear and don't believe what your eyes are telling you only believe the words that are coming out of my mouth that I can barely get out because I'm an incoherent blathering imbecile. That's in the fine print. So here we are. This is where we are and I wanna tell you every day. I want to tell you that things are going to get better and every day. If I were to actually say that to you I would be a liar and I actually believe in the truth. Unlike the president of the United States another piece by The Washington Post says this the warnings conveyed in the PD probably will be a focus of any future investigation of the trump administration's handling of the pandemic representative. Adam Schiff the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and the brilliant man that led us into the impeachment inquiry in early April called for the formation of an independent commission analogous to the one created to investigate the September eleventh two thousand and one attacks in response to that probe the George W Bush administration was pressured to Declassify Portions of the PD pee. Pee Dee be from August two thousand and one and a month before nine eleven warning that al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden was determined to strike the United States senior officials with direct knowledge of trump's intelligence briefing say that trump listens and ask questions during the sessions. We go in and he treats us with respect again. Do you think where dumb there isn't a fucking person that Donald trump treats with respect other than Donald Trump. What did Adam? Schiff tell us what feels like sixteen years ago. But we're only a handful of months ago when we were closing the door on impeachment. Donald Trump will always do what is best for DONALD TRUMP. So what is best for Donald Trump at this moment? Is it providing empathy to the American people? Is it providing leadership in a time of fear and anxiety? Is it pudding the health and well being of the most vulnerable among us first and figuring out the economy after no it is side lying scientists doctors researchers virologists and everyone essentially with a PhD or degree in order to push the economic reopening of America? Because they say the death party which is what I now will call the Republican Party. The death party because they sure it's fucking not the pro-life Party. The death party is willing to sacrifice two to three percent of the American population so that CEO's in shareholders can get you know they're just do that's what they're interested in. I WANNA look up. Just WanNa look up real quick folks. I can't possibly be right. You know they would be willing folks to sacrifice almost seven million people in this country. We're country of roughly three hundred and thirty million and what we know and what is true that two to three percent of people who get cove in nineteen who contract the corona virus will in fact die that means that if you look at the entirety of the United States should proximity three hundred and thirty million people. Two percent is six point. Six million people so the death party is willing to kill anywhere from six to eight million people in order to reopen the economy. How the fuck do you run on a message like that for reelection that people with preexisting health conditions people that are poor people that are first responders frontline workers grocery store attendant subway operators bus conductors? That you are willing to kill them in cold fucking blood. That is murder when asked yesterday one of the Varela Gis that goes on. Msnbc WHEN ASKED YESTERDAY. Is that acceptable? Is it acceptable? He said I am not an let me. I believe that his name is Joseph Fair. Joseph Fair said yesterday that he was not willing to accept that we would do nothing to protect two to three percent of the population. That doesn't have to die but that apparently Republicans are willing to sacrifice. She is a variety. Logist who spent his life dedicated to working on and a radical. A Bola for instance is not willing to say. Yeah you know we're just GONNA have to suck it up and bury six to eight million people in the United States in the next year but the depth party. Totally willing totally willing to do that. What does that say about them? What does that say about their character? About their sense of of more of just right and wrong. They are immoral lacking a heart. I can't I never fathomed in my life for as many things that I have said about. Republicans from when I got engaged in politics as a kid I could never imagine there would be a party of the United States that is willing to kill. Its own people for money for profit. That's where we are. You don't need to watch the hunger games you don't need to watch these SCI FI shows. You don't need to watch the hand hangman's headman stale. We're living it. Somebody said to me the other day Speaking of the handmaid's tale they said you know no one would ever think you know that something like that could happen in America would never happen and I wanna tell you it already has. Who the fuck do you think were nursing? Masters Babies Right during slavery whose children have been ripped literally ripped from knife by lynching mob from their bodies who do think was made to mate in captivity like fucking animals to provide field workers on plantations who lacked people black women all of this distortion shit that people get so wrapped up in black. Americans have already experienced the black diaspora around the world has already experienced the worst quote. Unquote nightmares. That are being written by Hollywood. All they have to do is look at history. Excuse me the parts of history that have been left on the cutting room floor because they don't make white. America looked to fucking good so the idea that the death party is willing to sacrifice black and brown people or those with pre existing conditions that they didn't want cover on health insurance anyway. Well that's no sweat off their back right. It's funny to me that but a handful of years ago. They were out in front of the Obama White House with their stupid picket fucking signs talking about death panels when Obama wanted to provide health care for every American. I wonder what would have happened if we had an actual robust healthcare system that the government was invested in. Making sure was sustainable. Right and that another administration couldn't just walk in and undo everything just close exchanges. Do you know the countries who are responding well to this. They actually take care of their citizens all of them their tax dollars actually do work for them because they have universal healthcare some have universal basic income or their government came out at the beginning of a pandemic instead. Don't you worry because we're GONNA be providing you and your family with at least two to three thousand dollars a month on top of stopping mortgages and rents? That's who's recovering and I said to my mother today you know. Why do you think that that's happening? She asks me. Why do you think that that's happening? And I said because when you have populations that are homogeneous right that are largely white like the Denmark's of the world and the New Zealand's then equity is a lot easier but see here in America when you could potentially be offering right if government were to say. Oh we're going to give universal healthcare. Well those white racist. Don't want those black lacy people over there to have universal healthcare so they would rather caught off their nose to spite their face just to make sure you don't get anything you see. All of this boils down to racism. Why don't we have these things because it means that there would be equity across the board and in our capitalistic racist structure that was built on the backs of slaves of enslaved African people? We don't believe in equity for all people we just believe in equity for some. That's why the corona virus has run amok in the United States. And that's why before this is all said and done. Millions of Americans will have perished. I am very excited to welcome to okay. F daily Terry Williams. She is the president and COO. An owner of one united bank the largest black owned bank in the country and supporter of the Hashtag Bank black and Hashtag by black movement. Hi Terry thank you so much for joining me. Thank you Danielle. Thanks for having me. I'm a big fan of you and your podcast. Thank you thank you so much. I'm so tell me a bit about one United Bank. I mean you know it. At one time I imagine that there were a ton of black odin banks and over the decades we have watched them dwindled down in size. So what does it mean to you on to be? One of the few that are that are that are left on yes so it. First of all it means a lot and We are happy to not only be alive actually to the growing and continuing to offer services To our community in a way that is unapologetically. Black so So that for us if great But we definitely do feel the loss of other black owned banks across the country on and do believe that You know as a community that there are opportunities for us to Continue to support black businesses. So that we don't see that loss and other businesses that we own. What is it you know for for so long I WANNA say? Probably since the beginning of banking that banks have been obstacles to the black community in terms of being able to achieve wealth right the basics the basis of the American dream is in home ownership right. That's where all all wealth grows from in this country and people. I don't really have a strong understanding of that fact. And so when you are you know great great great grandfather was denied loans and then your grant and then your great grandfather and then your grandfather and you know an all of these things and I use men because that was was getting loans back in those days. You're denied the ability to build generational wealth and so how does one united in understanding the the negative relationship that the black community has had With banking being redlined being denied loans for for homes or to start businesses How do you reconcile that? And how and how does one united actually move and operate differently Than Your your your other mainstream banks so the first thing we do is to acknowledge it because a lot of people still don't know That thanking has historically been racist Even today Only one to two percent of the home loan by National Bank. Go to black people even today. So it's just acknowledge that we actually have experienced red line which resulted in. Us having less wealth today and even today we struggle to get loans from national debt We you know we did a project or program with Nicole Hannah Jones in sixteen nineteen practice. Yes Yeah Oh yeah. No she's fabulous right. Yes But we felt that was really important for us to really get the understanding from our community that we in fact are the solution and not the problem And that we have in fact overcome tremendous hurdles to be where we are today so the first thing is to just acknowledge it But the second is also to really give our community a road map as to how to build generational wealth. Yes and yes. Yes I o one would like to do that very well. Yes so One of the things we make clear to everyone is that we've actually come a long way and as a family or if you look at. Us individually as families. You're only one chance action away from closing the. Racial Wealth Gap One transaction for some of us that transaction is buying a home. Yes for some of us that transaction is is starting a business for some of us that transaction is ensuring that our parents or grandparents or self has an insurance policy because many of us had destined our family and we inherit nothing and insurance is actually term life. Insurance is actually very reasonable. So we say to. Everyone focused on the one transaction. That's going to build generational wealth in your family. And you know there's a lot of talk about you know all kinds of policy changes that need to happen which is true right but as individuals we can only focus on our family and ourselves and so we say to everyone you're one transaction away. Look at what that transaction is for you and see how you can accomplish that one transaction so for us. We're we're big supporters of homeownership. First Time homebuyers programs where People can get up to seventy thousand dollars in down payment so we we're a big fan of those programs we also a big fan of multifamily property. You know we say if families could come together and by you know multifamily and have a family member sort of living each apartment. I mean you know we. We need to pool our funds together to figure out how we can build. Wealth in real estate was their idea on the one. First of all the idea that we are one transaction away From being able to close the wealth the racial wealth gap in our own families right like if we if we take that focus from the macro into into the micro than it does seem like we can manage something and I think that often times because we're taught about this. What is I believe it to be a fairy tale about rugged individualism because there is nothing that any American has ever done by themselves without community this idea of pooling resources right to buy real estate like you're saying that the family then shares right and that is about yes even insurance if you have parents and having all the siblings pay for the insurance of your parents. I mean there are just a lot of things that we can do individually to address this wealth gap and so we're always looking to educate our community. I mean one of the things that we also make clear are some of the myths. That are out there about like. There's this myth that you know we spend too much right right. Yeah I'm true it's like there's this myth that you know what we spend on. It's just not you know healthy. Also you know so the things that they would have us focus on is whether or not you should buy that cup of coffee or not is. Actually that won't make a difference in your family's wealth building what will make a difference are the items that I've talked about. And it's more important for us to focus on though than to focus on spending a little less or you know. Directing are spending in a certain way. I mean the reality is that we're not paid comparable to other people in the same job right. It's racism we're not making the income. It's not that we spend too much is that we are actually discriminated against and not paid to say if we were in fact it was a study done because if we were paid the same as other as white folks in the same job there would not be a racial wealth gap today so this this sort of myth that it's on us and that is something we're doing it's totally incorrect. So you know part of us is just getting the correct information out you know and when I think too about getting the information out there and education just in general I it has always baffled me Terry that we don't teach financial literacy in schools. It is it is always been an particularly in black and brown communities again. Not because I'm into this paternalistic idea like Oh Blackburn. People their hands need to be held but more so because of the obstacles that are purposefully put in our way that financial literacy should be something that we are teaching from a very young age. Absolutely in fact I wrote this book called Got Bank. My granddad taught me about money which is a focus on a young boy Who has saved money and his mother his brothers and his sister trying to spend the money and because that's another thing that we find in the black communities that typically if we're lucky there's one person on our family that's doing okay and then the rest of the family feels like you know that person can help them and that person is typically just sort of treading water. But it's it's a great story it's entertaining and educating our youth on everything they need to know about money. I say to you. If you read this book you will be wealthy in your life and you know and I say that not to you know. I'm not trying to pat myself on the back but the the the things that are actually Included in this book are all the things that I wish I knew growing up that I have now learned running back for twenty years. You know there was always a mystery to me like as a Kid. I you know we go on Sunday drives and I see all these beautiful homes and then come back to our apartment and try to figure out like my family. You know they work. They're smart like why was. Why was there this different and knowing what I know today? I'm like that shouldn't be a mystery. We should make it clear to our kids. You know what what they can do. And what families can do to build well so we have you know first of all. I wrote this book and it's now available free making it free and e book but we also have this financial literacy contest for kids. We have thousands of kids across the country. Participate that read my book or some other book because it is so important for us to educate our children about money and it is a shame that is no longer taught in school. Just you know. It just doesn't make a ton of sense that it you know that it's not That that that it isn't taught in school because I think that it's something that's so important and like you know I remember being. I'm trying to think about how old I was when I opened up my first savings account I probably was. I was definitely an elementary school. I'm just unclear about how old I was but I remember my parents saying to me that it was important to learn how to save right how to save and handle your money and your allowance right and I was fortunate because I grew up predominantly middle middle class where allowance was an actual thing and learning how to handle those funds. But then also you know what I what what else I think is important is investment. Which is what you're talking about like you need. It's not enough to just hold money in a savings account and don't touch it right like you should have some set-aside obviously particularly right now is we're living in a global pandemic and people are realizing that you know they haven't had the ability to even save because they're living paycheck to paycheck so the idea of being out of work for what looks like now months you know is going to send a lot of people down the unemployment line and so how do you teach people. What do you say to people that are looking to understand say how much they should be saving versus investing and and how? They can do that if they are in a boat where they are living paycheck to paycheck. So one of the things that I always recommend no matter how much you're making is that you set up what's called an automatic savings plan. We're money is taken from your account and move to a savings account automatically. I don't care if it's a dollar you know I don't care if it's five dollars you know it's whatever you believe you I don't WanNa say can afford what what I say is by making it automatic. You end up using the money that's left in your checking account And that automatic savings ends up building without you feeling it and that that's one of the things that wealthy people know you know. I remember when I got out of college. I you know I got. I actually work camp and I'd get a check and I cast a check and by the end of the week I would be out of money and I'd be like bag. I really need to get better at saving. And then the next week would go with the next week and I keep saying oh I need to get better at say what wealthy people know is that that is not how vase that the the way to save is to have the automatic savings account set up so that it's because no one has the discipline needed like no one has it so you're not gonNA save unless it's automatic so that's one of the things. I say to everyone that up an audit and again. I don't I don't give dollars a week. Whatever it is and you'll be surprised. How quickly that money grows with out you feeling it. That's the second thing. Yeah that's that's great. No no no keep going. That's that's fantastic. Yeah and then the other thing I say is buy real estate even if you have to buy in our community right now. I'm thinking by something again if you have to pull money with family and friends and buy something particularly in our community right now even if it's even if it's a piece of land even no matter what it is by real estate because real estate is the difference between black and white wealth is home equity the amount of equity that that they have in their homes versus. We have now the reason that they had it is because all these programs in the sixties that allow them to buy and the suburbs and build that wealth that we were not allowed. So it's not because they're much better at doing it is that the programs actually would but I'm saying today we have the benefit of being in communities that will end up building Real estate value over time in fact all these studies that have shown that a house in our community versus a white communities. Same House is going to be values less in our community. So if you live in the black community your house is going to be valued less now. One Hand that thing the other hand is a good thing because that means that you can buy today for a lower price then you can buy in the white community so I say look at our community and find a place again even if it's a high there's a land that you can buy as a family or as an individual because that property will appreciate substantially over the next five to ten years and I couldn't agree more. I think that ownership is where things start. And you're right. I think that we also have very lofty ideals right so it's like if I can't buy the big house right. That is the house of my dreams. Then I then I I'm not going to do. I'm not going to buy anything right if I can only afford The one bedroom studio or the the one bedroom or the studio. I'm not GONNA do that. Because how long am I going to live there and I think that that is not long term thinking right when we're when we're when we're not thinking about okay. Well if I get because and I will speak. This is my own experience. I was living in Washington. Dc before. I moved to New York back to New York about four years ago. Living in Washington. Dc over fifteen years. I never bought anything because in my mind I was always going to be moving to New York so wanna I and I was young and because my parents weren't as as as into real estate and understanding the value of real estate until much later it wasn't as if I was being taught in any way you know what we should buy this one bedroom place and whenever you leave either you rent it out and that is going to be the you know your continued wealth generation you rented out your pay the mortgage and you have some money in your pocket or you sell it and then you're able to get your next thing. Had I done that I would have come to New York in a very different way and I think that again because we're not because we're in our families not necessarily taught this because no one taught them and I feel like those are some of the keys that wealthy folks Do and white folks had because things have been passed down in that way. Literal real estate has been passed down and so they and that's how they move. Yes and I and I agree with you about our view if we can't find that ideal home and our concept of ideal is what we see on TV. You know I mean it's sort of interesting I always use the fresh prince of bel-air as an example like you know the the home that his uncle lived in a judge could not have poured. It Sat. Correct. I can tell you somebody. That's you know how this part time in la like that that Bel air home was not something a judge could have afforded. But that is that is our notion of you. Know a the good life and yet you know so when it comes to us wanting to buy something we look at what we see on TV and saying this just doesn't represent success but what we don't realize that it's it's really a stepping stone like getting in the market. You know that first step is the hardest. Once you're in once you own something you can build from there like you said you can rent it out or you can sell it and buy a better home but you have to be in and by renting all you're doing is building wealth somebody else your landlord. Yup Yup one hundred percent. One hundred percent You know one of the last questions that I want to ask you Terry. Is that you know. We're in the midst of this global pandemic that is also causing a economic pandemic. If you will. And there are lots of people namely black and Brown people who will be losing jobs who already lost jobs and people are going to be losing their livelihood. What is some advice that you can give to folks that one are receiving you know the the one time? Twelve hundred dollar stimulus paycheck Which for many is not GonNa do not going to go a long way. Twelve hundred dollars does not go a long way. It doesn't if you live in New York and I can't imagine imagine where you are In in Massachusetts or in La that that's going to go far either. What is some advice that you have to those people Who are going to be facing really tough. Tough tough economic times ahead. We actually did this If if people go to our website which one united United Dot Com We have a blog that shares a lot of Information including this thing we call five pips to deal with the Kobe. Nineteen economy and One of the first things we say and I know this is gonNA sound obvious that if you have a job keep your job and I say that because a of people out there that are actually leaving their job and that which is just crazy when you have twenty million people that voice so if you have a job keep your job unless you know staying in your job is really impacting your well. These you know whether that's physically and mentally you know. Keep your job for those. That have lost their job. there are a lot of great programs out there. There is unemployment insurance that has been extended there. You know other programs that are out there But we also say look for job. Essential business before the Kobe nineteen You know hit us this whole concept of an essential business. I I'd never heard of before I woke up one day and said Oh my gosh. We're in a central business. Thinking is an essential business. We're open we're fully and not only that but we're also growing and we're hiring and so there are essential businesses that are out there to look at those essential businesses for job because those businesses are in fact experiencing growth and they are good opportunity to look and I can look for a job and the jobs don't necessarily like banking. You don't have to be a banker. In fact we are one of our jobs that are available social media position so it doesn't have to you know banking but it's just that There are jobs in in a central businesses. And the other thing that we say is that it's really important that you not put your head in the sand and that you contact your creditors and go. She ate and it goes eight. I want to underline because creditors know that they could not get water out of a stone. Like if you don't have any income you you don't have the ability to pay whether or your mortgage or your or your credit card bills but you need to contact the creditors and say this is what I can and go. She ate with them because they they want to. Keep you as a customer but you. They're they're you know they need to hear from you. So that's the other thing that I you know I tell people And then the last thing I say it goes back to what we were talking about. Which is the WHO? Look at real estate Because there is going to be our our our community is going to become affordable again like gentrification has been stopped in his tracks you know then you cash buyers in our communities and be a whole lot less going on and so but we need to be patient so if you you know do have some resources again whether it's family resources or your own Just you know wait for another three to six months because there's GonNa be a huge decline and real estate values and what was unaffordable is going to become affordable in three to six months. He say okay. Okay we will. We're going to check back in with you. Because full disclosure. I have been in conversation with my own family About about purchasing some purchasing real estate whether we live in it or not in New York in on top of the home that we already that my parents already have what my sister and I can do together and I again just going back to the things that you're saying like that's absolutely you know to think about that. There will be people that are going to benefit from this. And if you do have the Po- If you have the if you do have the resources that in the next three to six months may be the time to tap into it and I think that that's absolutely right. I think that that's absolutely right. Terry thank you so much for joining Woking F daily. I appreciate your insights. Please tell us again how we stay in touch and up to date with all of the things that are happening at one united and also where we can get the book so again. Our website is one united united dot com. You can also follow us on facebook. Instagram and twitter Facebook is one united thanking Instagram and twitter. One United Handle You can also get the book and participate in the Financial Literacy and Essay Contest. That we have for kids by going one unite dot com last book. I you all the information to get the free e book and you can just download it for free And have you know? A lot of people are home-schooling their kids right now. Which is good for them to read and participate in essay contest essay and art and they could win. We're giving out ten one thousand dollar savings account. Yes Yeah Yes yes. We've been doing this as I pimp year. And it's just so fabulous. Read the essay. Look at the art. You can also go on our website and the last year's winners so you can look at the u s as an art and you probably look at it and say my kid can do that so you know I'm GonNa win that thousand dollars So again going to win I dot com slash book is where you can get information on on the contest. Wonderful Terry Williams. Thank you so much for all of the information and I hope to have you back on again soon to talk about our wealth and how we grow it. Thank you think happy. That is it for me today. Folks on woke F- daily as always. I will be back tomorrow. And a quick reminder folks. We have exciting news to share with you. This is the last week you can get woking F. My daily political. Talk Show here. You've been getting it if you've been listening to me you've been getting it in the mood feed for free. Starting next week woke a F- daily will be moving to Patriot on for five dollars a month but you will still get. Pm Mood Ever Free Week absolutely free so make sure that you follow me at d. Two cents to keep up with me and as always power to the people and to all the People Power get woke and stay wokers faulk and remain healthy and safe as fuck.

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"Back. This is the Horse Radio Network. Everyone coach Jen here, and thanks for tuning into horse tip daily episode thirteen, Seventy one where Roger from green flower botanical is going to talk about CBD oil and inflammation. And then our main tip. and. Then in our main tip. Christie land wear and Terry. Williams from these certified horsemanship association talk about helping horses who struggle with having both leads left and right you need them both folks. An Hour. Dr. Wendy. Yang speaks with Roger from green flower botanical 's a series. We call CBD OIL ONE OH one. Well in our continuing series about CBD OIL WE'RE GONNA discuss how do you see to treat some chronic inflammatory diseases like e pm lime and fibromyalgia Roger can see the oil help us with these problems. Again Wendy CD. Again, probably, one of his big claims to fame is its anti inflammatory properties. And Anti anxiety properties a lot of people know about that. So it can be very effective for the type of issues that you're talking about. But also along with that, some people don't really recognize that CBD or Connecticut I'll as becks the long long term name long-form then is a neuro protective, and so it works in with the central nervous system in the limit and Linda compare limbic system in the brain and can be used, and it's can be highly successful for all kinds of neuro degenerative conditions as well. Yeah like the FIBROMYALGIA and people and lyme disease and e pm that's all we think about those neuro diseases but also it's an inflammation of the nerves sex causing them to malfunction so. We need something more than just pain relief and CBD oil can help like you're saying to protect the nerves and cause them to be less to fire less aggressively I mean actually you know you're getting you know tacking from several several vantage points there but you know the interesting thing is that all those things that you're mentioning can really take people for a loop can be very difficult for them to find some kind of solution. So one of the things I would just say it's hey, it's really worth a try because we're seeing some incredible results out there with the kinds of things that you're mentioning and if you're. Struggling, you can't find anything and everything you're trying not working do yourself a favor and get a hold of CBD oil because it really could be a game changer for you? Well, that's great and how can people find out more about green flower botanical products? Sure just go to green flower botanical dot Com and all of our products are listed there on our website and the whole wealth of information as well and research to learn more about these things and and also make sure if you choose to try some of the products to use a special coupon code we have for. HR. In listeners just use coupon code HR. And that'll get you twenty percent off. If you show your horses please check with your federation legal use of see BDO. Well and sticking with that theme of you know her showing things. Obviously, it's important to have to leads at the canter or the low even if you throw ride or don't Hor show, but it's really important if you her show. So what do you do Terry for writers who find their horses only have one lead at the canter or the Lope instead of to a lot of times. It starts out with that that can be a rider problem too I mean it could also be a horses you Sometimes horses are stiffer one direction than the other. So you have to work on bending encounter bounden to help make them more flexible Every horse should be movies, hips in his shoulders as you ask. So basically, one thing to keep in mind that a lot of a lot of people out there other than riding instructors most bride and under starters understand the concept the lead comes from the hind end and as a horse judge when you're judging bid classes, you know at that horse wasn't set up right if he didn't move his hind end over, I knew he was going to miss this before they took that first step and that would help me you know spin around and. The rest of that Mr League 'cause you miss your lead. That's about twenty points off when you're thinking about it and you're not gonNA place in that class and as a judge that helps you knock down the class. Instructor you know and my daughter, she really had a hard time with us I mean her instructor, how to work on her to to get the horse listening to wait. So basically after the horse movies, hips to the to the inside with your outside leg when he gives to that in response to move that sits over that's when you ask them to go for your outside see and have your. You still had her outside like behind the garage you've been asked for a little bit more leg and you're inside legs at the earth keep him on the rail, and basically he will begin to learn to pick up that league. Correct. But once again, he has to be bending first. So you have to do the groundwork before you start asking, but once he's able to move his hip over. He's usually going get that lead and I had a have another example. That's Kinda funny. My daughter used to laugh at me that she showed for age from the time she was eight years. Old and whenever you're in the warm of brain, there's a lot of kids that don't have you know instructors that their parents have been helping teach them and they had problems in the warm-up rang and I would constantly help people even though there are my daughter's competition. That's what my daughter would think. It was funny actually I mean she wasn't upset because. She learned to ride for herself not for the competition. so I would help people at one time. There was this girl at the big show that was that the world press center when it used to be called Roberts. And the girl kept missing or lead the one lead in the warm-up Raina and her mom was totally frustrated and Basically I just said Hey. I, can help you. This is what my daughter learned. Not Tell her I was a ride instructors I said I can help you. You know this is how my daughter has the same problem and I taught her to move. That horse's hip over and within ten minutes, she was getting relieved with an eighty percent of the time just within ten minutes in she could do that. Now the funny part was she's like I've been taking lessons for two years twice a week and her instructor had her jumping and she said, well, don't worry about the League we're just not going to worry about delays. And right there. I mean kids going harsh. Oh, she's not gonNA play so she misses that lead and so I mean basically with teaching her that and having the patience in horse already you know he was bending and everything was just a matter it was pilot error is what I it but just encouraging our you know she did well at that show. So, since up my business card invented instructor, but I've never been in it for the money I've been in for the joy of teaching that makes them. And that about wraps it up. Everybody. This podcast is made possible through the generous support of green flower tentacles and listeners like you. 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Episode 2: Prime Suspect

CounterClock

43:56 min | Last month

Episode 2: Prime Suspect

"Someone Fatally Stabs Stacy Stanton. Inside her apartment on February third. This, was violent. Brutal. On February Third Nineteen Ninety someone brutally murdered twenty eight-year-old Stacey Stanton inside of her second story apartment in north. Carolina. Then cleaned up and disappeared the residents of Manziel have lived in fear. For thirty years, Stanton's killer has had one face and one name North Carolina investigators in Oh police. Believe that someone is Clifton Spencer. But his prejudice they absolutely have tunnel vision that it was the black man who killed the white woman keeping an innocent man convicted they will know Nassim of them will go. Good old. Man, in new there. In covering up more than one crime. For that guy I just really search league. This is counter clock the investigation into the murder of Stacey Stanton. I'm your host Delia Denver. Within hours of processing stacy's apartment, the SBA forensic team led by Dennis Honeycutt bagged and tagged a lot of evidence. He dusted nearly every surface lifting eighty-one fingerprints in total. Whether these prints belonged to just one person couple of people or even eighty one. They didn't know that but they knew there was potential that a lot of people had been in Stacey small. Rental Unit. But this didn't really surprise police because as the FBI agents got to the scene and began talking with people, they realized pretty quickly that stacy was a very social person. She had a lot of people in and out of place on a regular basis. In addition to her job as a waitress, she cut here in her apartment to make extra money on the side. So there were people coming and going from the unit all of the time. According to ESPN, is report all of the fingerprints were retrieved from surfaces like doorframes, tables, cups, stuff you would expect and none of the prints were impressions maiden, blood. So with so many fingerprints to work with they needed to figure out who belong to, but it was complicated because some of the prints were only partial. To start they at least wanted to talk with people who would have had a reason to be at Stacey's people that were close tour and were around the apartment on a regular basis people who probably had touched a lot of services in her house. They figured several prints were gonNA come back as being stacy's but they also had strong suspicions that some going to belong to a man named Norman. Brandon. Stacy's recent ex boyfriend. Now everyone knew Norman as Mike. So from here on out, we're GONNA call Norman Mike Brandon. Investigators were really interested in my because they've found mail address to him inside of Stacy's apartment that mail was a clear sign that he lived temporarily with her at some point. Conveniently for the FBI Mike? Had An extensive criminal history North Carolina and the State Department of Corrections already had his fingerprints on file P- the SBA I plan to compare his prince to some of the eighty one prince found the scene. What's interesting though is that Mike Actually beat them to the? Punch. At three thirty in the afternoon on February third, just an hour or so after stacy was found dead Mike came to the police. He said, he wanted to help because he thought he might have information on who stacey was with the night before. He showed up at the crime scene and given a handwritten statement to dare county sheriff's colonel. Jasper Williams? Mike wrote that the night before Friday February second he was at a downtown bar called the Green Dolphin pub. He said he saw stacy there but he wasn't with her he was with his new girlfriend patty who worked at the bar. Mike said everyone was drinking and stacey became upset that he was with new girl then she stormed off and left. Right around that time, she left Mike says a friend of his named Clifton Spencer walked into the bar. After Clifton came inside, he began talking with Mike. Mike said Clinton was causing problems in the pub with some guys over money at the pool table going missing and this interaction made Clifton eventually leave but he returned a little while later to tell Mike that he'd been at Stacey's. Clifton said that while he was there stacey asked him to go back to the bar and tell Mike to come see her. When Mike said, he wasn't GonNa, go see stacy because he didn't care to Clifton mentioned he was going back over to stacy's to see if she was all right because he was there before she'd been crying. After getting this statement from Mike Jasper, Williams began looking into it he wasn't exactly clearing my of any connection to the crime just yet but because Mike had been so forthcoming right away Jasper believed that what he'd said was relevant. Not long after getting my statement, the sheriff's Office decided to run a records check on Clifton Spencer Deputy Terry. Williams is the one ass to do that. Now if you remember, Terry is the same woman who found Stacy's body earlier in the afternoon with Tina. When she's asked to run a check on Clifton, she switched gears from being a part-time diner hostess in his back and law enforcement mode. Terry told me that in between the time Jasper took Mike statement at three thirty in the afternoon and before the SBA I began processing stacy's apartment she was asked to look into Clifton Spencer. She says, she sat in on a conversation in Jasper. Williams office with an FBI agent joining them and those men agreed that Clifton was already a suspect. It's at that. Point Jasper tells her to run an open warrant check on Clifton. Terry says she did, and after punching some parameters into a criminal records database, a result came back. Clifton Spencer a black blackmail from Columbia, North Carolina a town thirty minutes away from Mayo had an outstanding warrant for drug charges. The State of New Jersey had put the worn out on him and technically this meant he was a wanted man. I dug through a pile of old documents and was actually able to find that exact warrant print out from February third nineteen ninety the paper shows that at six o four pm on February third the printout landed on Jasper Williams desk. Now this means that just a few hours into their investigation before any physical proof was obtained showing Clifton even knew stacy investigators had him on their radar as someone of interest but not because of any physical evidence that placed him at the scene but because Mike Brandon had brought his name up the FBI agents in the manual police chief decided to re interview Mike again because so far he's the only one who brought up Clinton's name and it was possible he might have no more about him. At. Nine forty at night on February third, the police and Mike meet at the dare county courthouse in downtown. Again recapped his story of being at the Green Dolphin pub, the previous night, and he mentioned that he saw stacy and Clifton, but this time Mike. Went into more detail. He addressed right off the bat that he used to live with stacy in her apartment. But said that he moved out just two months earlier in December of nineteen, eighty, nine to me. That's a good way to explain why his fingerprints might be inside if investigators found any. Mike said after he and Stacey had broken up he started seeing his new girlfriend, a woman named Patty Roe. My. Tells the agents that Patty found out. She was pregnant with his child at the beginning of February but he wasn't sure if stacy knew that or not. He said when he got to the bar at six o'clock, he cashed his paycheck with the bartender and then met up with. Patti. Stacey was inside near the jukebox drinking wine coolers, and to avoid direct contact with his ex he started playing pool in another room. But Stacey kept making eye contact with them and eventually made your way over to. He. said that she asked him how he was doing and if he was ready to come home. That comment upset Patty and the Closer Stacey got to Mike the Worse the situation became. Mike says at one point. Stacey. was rubbing on his arms and told him that she still loved him and he said that he said the same thing back to her. Patty is pregnant girlfriend who is right there grew angrier and angrier with the drama and finally Mike just told stacy leave. So she did upset and crying. After that Mike says that Clifton walked into the bar and asked Mike if he wanted to smoke crack together and Mike dowse Clifton No. Then just like Mike and said, in his original written statement he says Clifton got into a verbal spat with some guys at the pool table over money going missing and then Clifton left. He says Clifton returned about a half hour later told Mike. He gone walking ran into Stacey in her driveway. Clifton tells Mike that Stacey was still crying and had asked Clifton to go back to the bar and tell Mike to come over to her apartment. Mike Tony Clifton that he wasn't gonNA leave the bar and said he would catch up with Stacey later. Mike says Clifton than asked him for money to go buy cocaine but Mike refused. Mike. said that night Clifton was broke and wanted drugs badly he'd gone around to a lot of people asking to bum off money. Mike said he in Clifton weren't exactly friends and that they just knew each other from work. At the time. Mike. Worked in construction and Clifton had once a delivery driver for a building supply company in Mankato they'd become friends and had a history of doing drugs together. Mike's us that Clifton new stacy because he'd been to her apartment several times to do cocaine. Mike says when Clifton left the bar for the second time, it was around eleven o'clock at night, and that was the last time he saw him. In his interview, Mike was very clear to establish his own alibi. He said that after a few hours of drinking, he and Patty left the bar with some friends and everyone went to that friends home in to stay the night. He says he was there the entire night and those people could vouch for him. But before questioning Mike, any further or confirming his alibi, the SBA I immediately ran with what Mike told them about, Clifton? Their top priority from that point forward was finding and questioning Clifton. Because they believed, he was the last person to see. Stacey alive. S. B. I. Agents Working Stacy's case we're able to track down Clifton in the small town of Columbia north. Carolina. Columbia is a thirty minute drive inland. From Mayo you have to pass through it if you're going to the outer banks from cities like Raleigh Charlotte, it's just over the dare county line in Tarot County. Less than a thousand people live there and in a stark contrast Emmanuel most of the residents Tarot County are African American Clifton has called Columbia home since he was born. I was just like any a young man who grew up in the sixties. You know we my friends. We all played a lot of sports. You know every day will play basketball or something Sambas we pay He graduated from Columbia High. School and was well known in the small community by the time turned eighteen. His family like everyone else there was poor and black but that didn't bother him. My Dad or very hard to provide for the family. My mother Lozo was a homemaker. And I think that you know I just said. To me. Normal small town upbringing. Did wear on him and other black families in. Columbia. Was the town's claim to fame the historic, somerset? Plantation Aka, an old rich white families home were three hundred black slaves lived and worked before the American civil. War. The biggest thing down in that area is. That plantation that everybody wanted to go and see. So historic marker, but the history is not a good history or anywh. This site is a nationally recognized tourist attraction and its roots of racism run deep in the small town. There is lands all over the place. Gerald County into the thirties Washington I'm sure they're count editors as well. then. It was almost like it's like a towel being such like when they when somebody. The railroad tracks that Clifton grew up playing around aren't far from Somerset. The railway was essential back in the day for transporting goods from the plantation. And it's along those same tracks on Sunday February fourth nineteen ninety that the terrel county sheriff pulls over his cruiser. Kerr he sees thirty one year old Clifton. Spencer. Walking alone. Here's quickens memory of that moment. Came up there and he said. She. Needed a tall to me. I came up with here. Is there a need for you to go? Come with me down to. The sense of Anita tel-aviv some I said okay. So there with him. When I got tear Think spoke will. SBA agent. Thank this sheriff's deputy sheriff from Derek. County. Clifton spent the next two hours willingly talking with Mantos police chief, Steve Day, and an espionage agent named Kent inskeep. Now They asked me questions. About Stacy last time I saw and I saw last night. Clifton explained to the men that he'd been in manual the Green Dolphin pub on Friday February. Second. He had no idea. Stacey had been murdered until they broke the news to him in a very bizarre way. Down there in the jail. They walked out and left. Me Sitting at a desk I think was the sheriff's this. It was too big pitchers land face down. On, the desk before I got there not even really. Noticed that they will get what he told with direct me to sit right here. So what those figures were. Pitches Stacey. Made me mad at me you did. Right, did just other. Despite this cruel way of telling him Stacey was dead Clifton still cooperated with investigators. He told them everything he remembered about that night. He said he started hitchhiking around six thirty at night and two white guys. He knew had given him a ride from Columbia demand you and then those men dropped him off at the Green Dolphin. POB around o'clock. When I I the Internet bar when I got there, I just walked up there and a particular time. People call really didn't go spend a lot of time. At night. Time to time I have been in day to day. I did see Stacy I came in. And apparently. Once, I came in she was. have. Some kind of disagreement for for. Boyfriend. So she took off ran out. Clifton got some bad vibes from two white guys at the bar who worked for the coastguard. He says, he got the impression that he wasn't welcome there because he was black he says, those guys accused him of stealing coins off of the pool table which he denied. At that point Clifton says he's over all of the tension and decided to just leave. He had plans to go to his friend win Moore's house anyway, and it was only about a fifteen minute walk from the bar. Headed to my friend's house. And I actually was walking fast. Apartment at least he was living at that particular time. And she. Has, been drinking but she saw me Schaal that man I I went to see. Was You wanting? So from there you know she. Pretty much asked me. If the I, didn't mind to go back and asked her boyfriend to. Come by the House. I went by Nass. And three too much. This went all. Decided reclined to Cook After Mike said, he didn't care to catch up with Stacey Clifton went back to Stacy's tell her Mike wasn't coming by. This was around eleven o'clock at night according to Clifton. He said after that second trip to Stacy's apartment. He and Stacey shared a few drinks vodka together inside of her kitchen and living room and she continued to lament over Mike. After. A while Stacey decided, she wanted to smoke crack. Now Clifton was down for this because at the time he admits he was a full blown drug addict who didn't have a steady job and nowhere to be since. He was technically homeless. About Lot ahead transparent up to that point before that particular date. I was in a point in my life where I wasn't it'll good space at all. I had started using drugs. And Take that from that point on. I've become a drug addict. You know I was just out there running around. Those function and drug. Hours working every day but yet I will go out to use drugs and. I say up to that day I used suggest chase. Fine people have wanted to go get hired I just hang with. A lot of the people that I come in contact with. Those manual was people that use drugs. At this point, it's important to note that along with Stacey and Clifton at her apartment there was another man who came by briefly. His name is Richard Fugate, and he's a guy who'd been at the Green Dolphin. Pub. On both trips, Clifton May to stacy's apartment to and from the Bar, He tells investigators that he richard and Stacy were inside the apartment together. But then eventually Richard Left. We'll get more into Richard story in a future episode but for now just keep that in the back of your mind. Clifton says after Richard Leaves, it's just him and Stacey. It's at that point that they decide they're going to smoke crack. Stacey has a little bit inside of a pipe in her bedroom, but by the time Clifton goes to get it and comes back to see. Stacey. Remind and didn't want any. So Clifton takes a hit by himself and uses it all up. A few minutes later stacey walks into the room and ask for some apparently she changed her mind again. But after Clifton took the hit, there wasn't any left for Clifton says, Stacey handsome thirty five to forty dollars in cash and asked him to go out and buy some more which he does. And this is the point where Clifton says, his memory gets really really fuzzy both during his interrogation with investigators in nineteen. And still to this day. He says, he knows he left Stacy's apartment and went to some areas around town where he thought he could score, but he never got any drugs. The details of how long that took him or any specific people he came across he can't remember. He says his memory is so bad because his brain was in a fog from drinking most of the night and being high. According to the SBA agents paperwork. On this case, they wrote down that Clifton said that at one point before he left to get drugs, he and stacy had laid down in her living room together on her mattress. The agents paperwork says that Clifton said he remembered at one point Stacey. Out of the mini skirt that she'd been wearing at the pub and put on gray sweatpants. The FBI agents also wrote that Clifton said that he thought he may have tried to be intimate with stacy laying down together but he knew nothing really happened because he had not been able to become aroused. But that's according to the SBA agents reports Clinton says he doesn't remember saying any of this. One thing he does know for sure is that after wandering in search of drugs for a bit, he returned to Stacy's apartment to give her her money back. But by the time he returned her door was locked. He told investigators he believed this was around one thirty or two in the morning. He couldn't be sure and he thought it was weird that the apartments inside door was locked because stacey was expecting him to come back with drugs. When he couldn't get in and no one answered the door. He just decided to keep the money and then he headed to his friend Wayne's house. Clifton made the short walk to Wayne's but he says when he got there, Wayne wasn't home. After making a few laps around his neighborhood and stumbling through a nearby convenience store parking lot. He returned to Wayne's between four and five in the morning knocked again and this time Wayne answered. Clifton Wayne, let him inside and within a few minutes he fell asleep on a recliner in his living room. The next morning he said he hitchhiked on US sixty four and manlio a white male pulled over and offered him a ride back to Columbia. As Chief Day in the FBI agent are listening to Clifton version of events they realize he's just given them a ton of information. There were several people they needed to verify his story with but I they him if he'd agree to take a polygraph the next day and Clifton said yes. Just to make sure that Clewiston Pinton, go anywhere the police acted on that outstanding warrant from New Jersey and arrested him Clifton was locked down for the time being Tarot, county. The next morning a few more FBI agents, their supervisor chief day, and Jasper Williams. From the sheriff's office in Dare County arrived to the sheriff's Office and Tarot County. They prepare Clifton for his polygraph and ask him to sign a release form. But at that point, he's not really feeling it anymore. Clinton had sobered up after spending the night in jail and he's thinking clearer. Now he tells the investigators he doesn't want to take the test without speaking to an attorney or to his father. I. By one o'clock that afternoon both of Clinton's parents had come to the jail and spoken with them, and after that Clifton decided, he would take the test. He said speaking with his parents convinced him that because he had nothing to hide, he should use this as a chance to prove he wasn't involved. They had me Sinden. Making. A whole lot of noise anytime. I see somebody just make a lot of noise. So every time it makes laws I look at it you know something like data so it was. Not. Accurate reading or give a reading. Maybe maybe I'm not I actually being truthful whatever. For three and a half hours in SBA agent grilled Clifton about his version of events and everything he said happened between him Stacey. I got a hold of some public documents that detailed is interrogation by the FBI and when you look at them, you can see that really a lot of the agents questions weren't really questions at all. They were more suggestive statements to Clifton to see if he would agree. There police as together and they're making. A story out of nothing. The. Sbi they didn't completely live. What they did was they made us a narrow with some things that I did say to make it saying like this is false. This is why at. The very end of the polygraph. They finally ask Clifton Three Direct questions. Did you cut stacy? Did you cut stacey in the apartment and were you there when stacy was cut? To of the FBI agents doing the interrogation grade, the results, and they gave Clifton core of negative twelve, which according to them meant he'd failed. Now at this point, Clifton is starting to figure out what's really going on. He is a murder suspect and there was no way he's going to continue to talk with them but they keep after him and that night the pressure only caught worse. By. Ten o'clock the S B I had gotten a judge to sign off on a search warrant which allowed the SBA to seize blood hair including from Clifton. He told them that the shirt he was wearing when they arrested him was the same one he worn on Friday night at the bar so they took that to. The warrant also allowed the SBA I dare Clinton's fingerprints to the ones collected from the crime scene but Clifton already told them he'd been inside Stacy's apartment. So is prints were probably going to be on a lot of surfaces. Avenue that you know whatever they took for me. You know like the fingerprints I know of fingerprints because that was him. Around midnight, Clifton was taken to chew on hospital just outside of Columbia, a doctor, their plucked out his hair and drew his blood and right away it went to Dennis Honeycutt. February sixth and seventh go by with Clifton still sitting in jail. But on Thursday, the eighth to FBI agents returned interrogate him once again. This time they confront him head on, and they suggest that he tried to put the moves on stacy while they were alone in her apartment and she rejected him things got ugly and she'd come at him with a knife and that's why he killed her Clifton denied all of that. He said that he couldn't remember a lot of what had happened that night because he was high and drunk but he knew he didn't kill anyone. He said he'd vaguely remembered laying down on the mattress next Stacey for a bit and maybe engaging in heavy petting but he's The have sex. After hours of telling the SBA, the same story over and over again, Clifton was exhausted and mentally drained. Do we were doing was. were, Ashley put me in a setting and filling in blanks. I like one a day just said. You will drink you're stays at the drinks yet drinks. Were did you ever use? Bathroom He. Didn't go to pacify left. US A bathroom. Why he did was he put me he wanted to put me in the bathroom. He did it and then he wrote a statement to say it admit to clean it up far-left left. Clifton never had a lawyer with him during any of these interogations on top of that none of the conversations between him and the s B. I were ever recorded. There was no recordings of any of those conversations that I have with. Not, a single one. It had been then people would say that saying the things that they said I said. Every conversation he had with police was slowly becoming his word against theirs. As they wore him down and said, he felt like he had no choice. But to cooperate the more, he resisted the more the point the finger at him and put words in his mouth. Finally, he felt the only way to clear his name was to do what they asked. At eight o'clock that night February Eighth SBA agents ask Clifton to go with Dimaggio they wanted him to show them the exact route he said he took from Stacy's apartment to Wayne's trailer. According to their own reports, the SBA transported Clinton from Columbia and drove him to manual. Now, this is wrong for one huge reason. They didn't have the authority to do that. The Sheriff of Tarot County never signed off on a prisoner transport order Clifton meaning the s I couldn't just take a terrible county prisoner and move them into another jurisdiction for an investigation that had nothing to do with the drug charges clicked was facing technically Clifton was a prisoner of Tarot county waiting to be extradited back to New Jersey. So, by removing him from Columbia and taking him to dare county for the murder investigation that violated protocol and violated the law. But these sa aren't following what you call standard procedure. At this point I mean, they've already interrogated the man multiple times without letting him contact an attorney and they're not recording any of the interviews they've had with him. Now they're taking him on a ride thirty minutes away to isolated. Lifton says that car ride made him nervous because he didn't know these. SB agents or what they were going to do. Even though he had a criminal history and Tarot County, he at least knew the sheriff there and there was familiarity up until this point, he said the Sheriff and Columbia had been really cool with him at the jail a made sure that he was comfortable entreated in like a normal person not a murder suspect. As the car pulls out of Columbia, Clifton is headed away from any law enforcement. He knows and he's going to dare county to try and convince the SBA agents that he's innocent. Once they arrive in Mankato he rides along with the FBI and shows them the path that he took on foot from the pub to stacy's apartment, and then to his friend Wayne's. I wanted to see this path for myself. So I took a trip up to manlio. Turn left onto. Queen. Elizabeth Avenue. Then turn left onto an-and is dare street. In a quarter mile destination will be on the left. It was important. I retrace Clinton steps so I could understand exactly what he told investigators. What I found was that the walk from the Green Dolphin pub to stacy's would have taken him only a few minutes seven at most the walk from Stacy's to Wayne's would have been longer more like fifteen minutes. The locations aren't super far apart, but it was easier for me to just drive there. Let's plug in the. Address to Wayne Morris as house. From here. So Wayne lived exactly point seven miles from face apartment on the ice gear street. OVER DOWN Just a little bit a two minute drive. Says Thirteen minute walk. Clifton told the FBI that as he walked to Wayne's he crossed over US sixty four head west Ananias dare street toward US sixty, four east then turn right onto us sixty, four west. Then he cut behind the Elizabethan in hotel went through some trees and ended up at the back of Wayne's trailer. The Elizabethan in is still operating today and the property looks almost exactly the same as it did in nineteen ninety. So he cut through the back, the Elizabeth and he could have gotten away is actually faster than the route were taking drive because we're taking the roads. But if you're on foot, you could cut back behind the end and then through a small little stretch of woods and clipped would've come right up to Wayne's trailer. Wayne says his trailer was trailer sixty, two on. Jackson Street which this is. All right. This is all like a trailer park neighborhood. So trailer sixty, two, trailers sixty, two there it is. A new family lives in Wayne's trailer now but seeing where it was located really was helpful for me. The area was right next to my old high school and a mile from my parents house it somewhere driven probably hundreds of times. So I started to think what had the SBA I agents in Clifton done at this point thirty years prior to me standing there what was their next move? If it were me I'd have taken Clifton back to Colombia and seen one of their leads I could follow up on but that wasn't what happened. Instead the agents took Clifton to a trailer a little ways up the road. It was an old building dare county used as an offsite drug investigations bureau. Inside the dingy trailer worth you chairs a table and more. FBI agents. And they took me to is also said I guess the undercover truck enforcement from the sheriff's department uses us either on airport, road. They took me in an office. and. ages, I didn't know never saw him. And they just sent me just kept talking about this. You'RE GONNA. Say this say I said that you know whatever our say. They would Ashley Trial and something to would have agents left me in the room. You know handcuffs saw and there was a rifle sitting right beside I don't know if bullets what I still they don't see for trying trying to send me up here. And I told them, I wanted to go back to Columbia. But, Clifton didn't go back to Colombia. He sat a not office and endured another interrogation that lasted four hours. The SBA I pushed him hard even bring up his criminal history from when he served in the army. You see Clifton had been charged and convicted of assaulting one of his former girlfriend's while stationed in Germany many years earlier. In that attack, he admitted to using a pair of scissors. The S. B. I hammered him about this detail and they suggested that he had attacked Stacey in a similar way except this time he used a knife. Again Clifton denied that, but the pressure was becoming overwhelming and he had nothing left. Day agent kept asking me same question over and over again. I said Man I don't toe you. Kept, telling I kept telling. Asked me they're saying question. Probably about the ten eleven time. I just didn't say anything. I just took a deep breath and just helmet he. Age and said, I, should be yes. The other agents said that he saw me. To, apparently, he must the same through the wall. said that I should be yeah I didn't do that. Say Thank you for what? Did. He said you know like count. Feel bad for what you know this when you come. At nonsense. The FBI agents wrote in their report that Clifton slumping his head in exhaustion was confirmation to them that he had nodded yes to what they were accusing him of, and that was as good as a confession. That's when they wrap up the interrogation and transport him back to Columbia around midnight. Finally on February ninth. Clifton father shows up to the jail with a local attorney from Columbia. This attorney, a man by the name of Charles Ogle tree talks with Clifton for a while and shuts down any more one on one interrogation with the FBI. But at that point, the damage had already been done a lot of damning information against Clifton information that they use to request an arrest warrant for first degree murder. They went to the district attorney on February ninth and explain to their case so far but the DA said no way he said there was not enough sufficient. To, arrest, Clifton for the crime and he pushed back saying that the FBI I needed to dig further and do actual detective work to prove their case not just keep interrogating Clifton. But while they had to wait for forensic evidence to be processed the pressure to make an arrest was mounting, and this is where the FBI and local investigators really dug their heels in. They wanted to find anything that supported Clifton was there man instead of going back and talking with witnesses like Terry, Williams and Tina and Mike Brandon, they visit Wayne Morris. The one man who is supposedly Clifton Alibi or at least someone who would have had direct contact with Clifton shortly after the murder. I found Wayne earlier this year and he still lives in a trailer in Mankato, but just not the same one as he did in nineteen ninety. And what he told me as we sat in his living room, blew my mind. Wayne Morris was the first person to see Clifton Spencer after he left Stacy's apartment. The FBI visited Wayne when they realized they needed more evidence in order for the DA to give them an arrest warrant for Clifton. This cop come combine my house. And said, he needed to talk to me that's talked to me about what? He said, are you new Clifton? Sea Cliff name and I say yes. He said what was he by Your House? It's time and I said, yes, he came by you know told a one time. These cops came in the house two of them. As I recall they talked to me for a long the guy asked me did I mind him walking around my house on new he won't run a house and he found his own knife or Lane there I had found I was GONNA clean up. Any show man and he's been idea for she probably a year maybe you know just been laying up on trailer he said Okay I'll put it about what was that The agents came inside and asked Wayne if you tell them what he remembered when Clifton came by so we did. From. My back door and I said, Oh man who is this a man's me cliff. Do I saw may be He'd been central geeked up you know he's mad at me craftsmen agrees. To do. 'cause it every night. Then trip withdraw by me in the crash. He had been out all night partying and will wanted to go to Columbia. So he has could crash Tilles ride. That's you know I'm going to go to work. When Clifton showed up, did he have any blood on him? No, he was just highs hair excuse me he would just. Goal, man knowing he no blood on. Who sitting in my recliner. Sleep when I live. And you want to save some blood this their head is nice. Little shirt and these genes. Oh Man, that's what I remember. So clearly Wayne still feels the same way as he did back then when I compared what he told me in our interview with transcripts from the conversation, he had with the S B I thirty years ago his story hasn't changed. It's almost word for word the same. He remembers clearly that Clifton got to his house between four and five in the morning. Any also remembers clearly what the SBA. I asked him to do after I came to his trailer as me what I wanted to take all live -tective. Let's say sure in took one at the ducal has closed down. But I took a lie detector test there. And Soon Mike Agreement I took a lie detector test twice. That's right. The S I had Wayne go to a motel and Manlio a place that's a dilapidated rat trap now, and they wanted him to undergo a polygraph and took the test them. No matter what are not gonna live. Why don't notice girl beat new cliff new girl on a new cliff or with party down here I. See I think they just wanted wanting to take that test because he told our. Trying, to hide some cliff maybe but I told it was man. Got Me taking this this test because the GonNa, try to lie for him but I told him. Amen the guy came by inquest at my house like he does all the. Wayne passed his polygraph with flying colors. The FBI found no signs of deception in anything that he'd said. And the fact that he'd been so open to talking with me about the case makes me believe he's telling the truth I mentioned to him. I'd found an SBA agents report in my research that claimed forensic tax had sprayed luminol in his living room and on his recliner to look for blood. I wanted to know if Wayne remembered that but his answer wasn't what I expected at all. At you. And that was it and then we'll come did new. Forensic. Not that man. That was a direct contradiction to what I read with my own eyes in the SBI's documents. So either Wayne is isn't remembering it right or the NC B. fudged this detail. But why why would they lie about that something so critical. And why haven't they looked at anyone else but clifton? Those another person I thought was on the radar that was never really. vetted. I? Need. The answers are next week on counterpart. All the tall seen. Never seen a trial like this. Be Sure to follow counterclockwise on social media and subscribe on Apple Podcasts spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Counter clock is an audio chuck original show. Ashley Flowers is the executive producer and all reporting in hosting is done by me dealing.

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FE2.7 - Kelp Worlds: Trophic Cascadia

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FE2.7 - Kelp Worlds: Trophic Cascadia

"You're listening to season two of future ecology. Milroy event took place in Alaska on the island of AMCHITKA. AMCHITKA was under consideration as supplemental site for the testing of high-yield comic devices. Alaska is a big state. This way, we can see just how big. At the height of the Cold War. Between one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, five and nineteen, seventy-one, the Atomic Energy Commission detonated three nuclear warheads underground on 'em. Chick Island in the middle of the Bering Sea halfway between Alaska and the USSR after World War Two AMCHITKA was largely forgotten. One Hundred Sixty Square miles of Barren Tundra bearing scars and decaying installations left by the thousands of American. Gi's who served here during the war years. Longshot reawakened the island. After decades testing in the Nevada desert, amchitka gave the eighty see a new lease on life. I long shot and then mill row. A, one megaton bomb detonated at four thousand feet below the surface. And that's when an unlikely figure enters the picture. Almost entirely by chance. I finished my master's degree in nineteen sixty nine show streaming Vietnam war and I thought I was going to probably get inducted and have to go into the army. But I feel the physical exam was just a fluke and so I fail the exam and there I was one of my professors at Washington state where I got my master's degree. was a consultant with the Atomic Energy Commission at the time. This is Dr Jim sat's. And I'm a retired now. Meredith Faculty here at UC. Santa Cruz and I. Worked for the Federal Government as a research scientist for most of my career, and then here for the last fifteen years or so. The purpose of the male Roy event was to test an island, not a weapon designed. Good contained underground nuclear test be conducted with no hazard to off island people, and within the constraints of the limited Nuclear-test-ban Treaty. These activities be conducted without serious adverse impact on the wildlife of the island. They had really not taken seriously the growing political and public concern over environmental assessment, and so when they did decided to go out to Pam Shikha Island, they went out with a very different mindset. Gyms contact at the ABC was a professor by the name of Vincent shots. He was a satirical ecologist and We we'd become very good friends. And he called me up and said the ADC is looking for somebody to go out to Amchitka island and work on yachters. Are you interested. Yeah. It's good to relax after a busy day. An average day, but a busy day. These fellows. Wearing the warm coats spent a good part of each day just searching for food. And in this scene at this point in time. It's becoming difficult to find enough food to go around. What things are looking up? As you will see. I was brought in mostly because the people who had been working on CR before they had not been happy with. I had no training at all in any of it before, but they wanted someone that would go out for a couple of years and spend time of becoming intimate with the system and with the species, and that's how I got into it. Gyms, assignment was strategic. While it's amusing to listen to these old propaganda reels. There's a reason why the was making films about theaters and flying young scientists up to study them. After the fallout from the mill road test, they were facing very real pressure at home and abroad to discontinue testing on 'em Jitka or anywhere really. and. They needed to convince the public that their activities were safe and beneficial to society. Especially, since they were gearing up for their biggest test yet in the late summer of Nineteen, seventy-one, final preparations were being made on amchitka island in the Aleutian island chain of Alaska for project on. Thousands of environmental activists stormed the transboundary peace arch in. British Columbia in opposition to catechin forming a coalition that would eventually result in the maiden voyage of a newly named organization called Greenpeace. Brothers and sisters in Greenpeace. You are supporting the first Greenpeace project sending a ship to check. To try to stop the testing of hydrogen bombs. Or anywhere. This was the context in which a young gymnasts! He's still wet behind. The ears cut a flight to amchitka island sight unseen to study theaters. And though a few short years after the detonation, the Atomic Energy Commission would be shuttered for good. Jim St would return again and again to the Aleutian archipelago for the rest of his career. What he discovered there would change the field of ecology forever, popularizing now familiar concepts like keystone species and reframing the relationships between predators, prey and their ecosystems. This month next on future apologies, we're diving into the cold nutrient, rich waters of the northern Pacific coast to lose ourselves alongside Seattle's in their kelp world's. From Baja to Kamchatka Kelp. Forests former a greenbelt that ties us all to one another. To our past present and future ideologies. Today we talked to Jim St's as part one of a three part series. This episode is called Trophic Cascadia. Broadcasting from the unseeded shared, and asserted territories of the Pinella. Who We'd some other hell keenum speaking peoples. This is future ecology. Where your hosts Adam Huggins and mental Skalski. Explore the shape of our road through ecology, design and sound. Hey. Mental Hey Adam what's up. What do you know about the Aleutian islands? They're like the. Like if Alaska melted while rocketing eastward. They're the little drips that fell off the western tip. That's actually a really good description. Thanks so the Aleutian islands are really the volcanic product of the North Pacific plate subduction zone so the North Pacific. Plate is moving northward. It's. Diving underneath whatever the players it's above it, and that creates this very thin layer of crust and welcome, and had Walton Ism. It's what you're GONNA rated. The Aleutian islands. It's a sub Arctic environment, treeless cool, but not bitter cold. It's very maritime, and so it's very stormy place you know. My initial impression was was A. Daunting into to land there for the first time and see this vast treeless area. You know I, suppose. My impression was on the one hand. It was exciting on the other hand. It was frightening. I for one would feel no small amount of trepidation if I had to show up for work at a nuclear testing zone. Just outside the Arctic Circle, yeah, but I mean. Sea otters mental Otters, how? How can you resist? How how could anyone resist theaters? Yeah, they are. They are cute and to explain the draw of working on seniors at the time I've got one more Atomic Energy Commission film real for you Oh nice now. Chick island is part of the Alaska Maritime National Wildlife Refuge and despite its history of military occupation. It's also teaming with life. But mode unique of all inhabitants in the frigid waters around these cheerless fall bound islands. The Sea Otter. An Aquatic Mammal. On, gaining and almost helpless ashore. In the C-. He has grace. And Style? Bristling silver. whiskers seem serious and wise. That is. Is Shy. And suspicious. Long. Time was when see. Numerous, as flocks of birds swam and fished the coastal waters of America. From the outer tip, the illusions on down into Mexico. But that was long ago. Perhaps the world's most luxurious for. Fine, dense and very valuable. Almost two centuries of hunters had roamed the Seas Decimating Sea Otter colonies and by the turn of the twentieth century. These pleasant playful creatures were on the verge of extinction. And they had only really survived in a couple of small populations in a couple of places and one of those places was Amchitka and the other nearby islands. In between nine hundred eleven, when the treaty that protected Seattle was signed and the late nineteen sixties that population had grown from just a handful of individuals to thousands of sea otters. But you know Seattle are cute and cuddly and people tend to be concerned about things that are cute and cuddly naturally so the idea of they had this beautiful remote island where they could set nuclear bombs underground. Unfortunately it's surrounded by the cutest and cuddly creatures on the planet. The most effective protesters imaginable exactly. Hence, they recorded some really wild footage like this showing that after the nuclear blast. Scientists found sea otters swimming out in her cages, eagerly awaiting their next meal of frozen soul. While the military is mainly concerned with the question of how setting off a nuclear bomb, underground affect sea otters. Yeah, just the the kind of practical scientific question. We all ask ourselves from time to time yet so JIM gets to work preparing for Kensington I worked there fairly intensively for two years, and when the test finally occurs a ton of CR die and Jim makes an estimate of the damage leading to this incredible New York Times headline, nine hundred deaths tied to atomic energy. Commission test. But in the meantime he's actually been working on his own questions. He's trying to figure out how the abundant kelp forests that the. Chicken lived in affected their behavior and morphology, but he hits a roadblock when his attempts to radio caller CR fails, and that's when in the summer of Nineteen, seventy-one, a researcher named Bob. Paine showed up on AMCHITKA. Now Bob was an ecologist and just a few short years previously, he introduced the idea of a keystone species into the scientific literature. Oh Hey I. know this story. can do this part are are. Are you going to explain a thing? Hell? Yeah, I'M GONNA. Explain thing we're bringing it back. Okay, so back in the sixties, ecology mostly evolved around studying how ecosystems affected individual species and their fitness. Like how plentiful is my food? And how does that affect me in ecology? We call this a bottom up approach. Who's doing the explaining here, sorry. So here comes pain and he's studying these super diverse, super dynamic intertidal communities on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington state. But. He's looking at something different. He's looking at how predators affect their ecosystems. We call this a top down approach. He's looking at starfish specifically. The beautiful purple and Orange starfish that were common on this coast before the sea star wasting disease hit I will. We'll touch on that later. and. He has this hunch, so he does. What see star. Wasting disease will actually do half a century later. He removes all the starfish from part of the INTERTIDAL zone, taking care to leave. Another area untouched as a control. Then he sits back and watches what happens. And it turns out in the area where he removed starfish. Species diversity starts to plummet. I acorn barnacles start to expand and take up all the available real estate crowding other species out. Later California muscles takeover. What's clear is that the starfish were effectively regulating the whole ecosystem keeping each of its choice prey species in check. Even though there are relatively few starfish compared to all the other species. They play this critical previously invisible role. To make this effect visible. He used the term keystone species, which is like a cool reference to the central stone in an arch. Without that stone the whole structure collapses. Keystone, species have this outsized impact on their ecosystem relative to their own numbers within it. This. Term has been applied to Beavers, elephants famously the wolves of yellowstone. But it all started with Bob Payne and his see stars. Thanks for explaining here. Welcome. It's been too long, so. Back to Jim. It's summer of Nineteen seventy-one and he doesn't know any of this yet after all, this research is hot off the presses. But Bob Paine plays a pivotal role in his story, so I met Bob during that trip, and we spoke the night before he left, and he asked me a little bit about what I was doing, and I was kind of didn't really know what I was doing. And he simply asked me the question. Did you ever think about looking at system? Not from the perspective of how the systems affecting offers, but from the perspective of how affecting the system, and this serendipitous conversation sets off a light in Jim's head. He writes in his book which is called. serendipity. That before this conversation, he had been trying to develop very challenging methods to answer not very interesting questions, but suddenly he realized he could ask a very interesting question with the simplest method imaginable, which is just direct comparison. I was very aware of something that he wasn't aware of that was a history of auditors in this sort of the spatial geographic history of waters across the illusions in the fact that they had simply not recovered at many of the islands, but had recovered quite a few others, so amchitka where I was working, the head recovered one hundred dollars off. There were some other islands where they hadn't recovered, but they had been abundant. We knew that from the for trade records. And the reason they hadn't recovered is because they're just not a very mobile species. They don't move around very much and sell some of these islands that where the population had been exterminated, they had not recovered. It had been probably two hundred years since auditors had been there and I thought my gosh, what a what the mazing natural experiment to go to some of these places where audits. Audits had once been, and simply look at it and see. Is it any different from the places that they have recovered this long chain of similar islands with dissimilar human legacies presented a perfect test case for the question. Jim wanted to ask so he convinces the Atomic Energy Commission to send him two hundred miles west to Shamir Island where sea otters had been absent for over a century. After getting clearance with the local colonel, he doesn't waste time. He puts on his wetsuit and dive right in. and. You know one instant of looking at that system. It became so obvious data that it was a big deal. As soon as I look at that system. Show me I recognized how different it was from the system and Shikha. There were no. Were lots of origins and there were no ours and it just all. Fit together that the auditors were having a big effect and I knew enough ecology at the time. You know what was going on. A. New Urgency Kelp. I would say that it happened in less than A. Millisecond I mean just a an instant school Hanson. It was clear what was going on. You know it took another probably ten or twenty years to convince a critical scientific community that we had all the processes right because it was just a comparison of two islands could have differed for many for all sorts of research I'll spare you the scientific due diligence that Jim undertook to prove the point. But the result is that Jim's work introduces the Urchin Otter Kelp Love Triangle to the world, a triad that many of our listeners are likely familiar with from the news or from Ecology WanNa one, but if you'll bear with me, I'd actually like to formally introduce these characters to help. Flush out this underwater drama. Because this story is about to get much more complex. Okay, let's do it. So I. WE HAVE KELP. Beautiful Languid Slimy Kelp while we refer to Kelp Ecosystems as forests, kelp aren't trees, or even what we commonly think of his plants. They're actually algae. Specifically Brown algae. There are distinct from green and red out and considerably more complex morphological, because they have this tough clawlike appendages called a hold fast that anchors them to the seabed followed by a stem like stipe, which supports the blade. And played which comes in all sorts of shapes. Some kelps like bulk are annuals, and they have inflatable gas bladders that hold them upright in the water column. Heather's like sugar kelp are perennial. Sway with the current. But taken together Kelp Ecosystems are incredibly productive and provide food, shelter and habitat complexity that supports an incredible array of species. I consider getting a little carried away with the photosynthetic life so. I'm just GONNA, but in here and introduce urgence alright. SEAR JAINS are spiny spectacle. Durham's that come in a wide variety of sizes, colors, and if we're being honest flavors. They've got this hardshell called a test with all the soft bits protected inside including their reproductive organs. which if you're hungry, human or a CR, you can scrape out and eat. The test has a mouth known as Aristotle's lantern at the south. Pole and anonymous otherwise known as Plato's portal that that's not true. That's at the North Pole. Sea. Basically roam the seabed voraciously consuming. Of things but especially. Algae and Kelp? They have these five sharp teeth that are perfect for severing the blade instead of a kelp from its hold fast setting the whole thing adrift. A herd of. Can easily clearcut and consume whole kelp forests. But thankfully. They happen to be the favorite food of Seattle. and. A raft of Otters can effectively keep a sea urchin population in check. This is the major finding of gyms early research in the Aleutians that sea otters effectively create the kelp ecosystem. They live in by controlling sea urchins. Remove the auditors and the KELP begins to disappear. Eventually resulting in an urgent baron, which is exactly what it sounds like a desert like seabed of. Koran algae and not much else as far as the eye can see. So Jim does a study to document this and write it all up and it's published in the very renowned journal. Science in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty four. This is basically textbook ecology now, but at the time many in the scientific community were skeptical at this point, though gyms work with the ABC on Amchitka was over, and he wasn't sure that he would make it back up to the Aleutians but in nineteen, seventy four, when I finished my degree, I was hired by the fish and Wildlife Service to go back to Alaska and worked for their research division, so he establishes term research program on another island at to. Where Sea otters have only recently re colonized, but haven't become numerous enough to seriously impact the urgent populations. and. He goes there almost every year for the next two decades document the system. Expecting that it will transition from primarily baron to primarily kelp forest as the CR population expands, that would be the prediction that sounds a lot like the marine science equivalent of. Watching paint dry science can be tedious for sure. But for for Jimmy it was really important to make sure that he had it right. That being said. There is an opportunity cost to all of that rigor. We so much time. Learning interesting things, but you know trying to make sure we're not wrong about things that were almost certainly not going to be law. So right now since long term, ecological research can be kind of dull. We're going to leave Jim on atoll in for the moment and take the opportunity to rewind it. Before catechin before mill row, and before even longshot before all these nuclear tests in the late nineteen sixties. Remember. All those film reels I. Played You that the produced about. How forget well the first one documented their attempt to transplant sea otters from Amchitka to other locations, sea otters don't actually disperse very well by themselves. Wraps of males sometimes venture out into the unknown, but it takes them many years to establish new populations, because the females tend to stay. Put near where they were born. Especially if they're geographic barriers at play, like for example, hundreds of kilometers of open ocean. Between neighboring islands exactly so the AC figured that AMCHITKA had enough otters. And they were about to bomb it right, so they took a liberty to capture dozens of waters and place them in these tiny little water closets I mean that's a bathroom you mean like. Glass boxes full of water. What would you call them? Water coffee water coffins. Yeah they're like. They're like like like tanks. Yeah, like little glass boxes full of water. Okay, and they load them up on seaplanes and essentially just dropped them off at locations. That seemed okay. They deposited a whole bunch in several locations in southeast, Alaska, which went on to establish thriving Seattle colonies, but they were also in a generous mood, so wait. Are you telling me this is how? Sea otters returned BBC totally. Their fluffy refugees of US nuclear testing like. Like their tiny little draft dodgers from north. Sea otters had been completely extirpated from ABC for trade yet. We're pretty much. The World Champs at depleting our own natural resources before anybody else so eighty nine C. are dropped off at the West Coast Vancouver Island at a place called checkless at bay. And that becomes Ground Zero if you will for Siato recolonisation of the BBC coast. That's wild so well. Jim is out on the island through the seventy s and eighty S. these populations expand and other scientists start studying them. I in southeastern Alaska, and then off the coast of Vancouver Island. Scientists are able to replicate gyms results. That was probably the most powerful. Affirmation that mechanisms or correct the mechanisms being a scientific term for the intricate web of causing effects mediated by sea otters that results in what is now known as a trophic cascade. Which is another term that Bob Paine coined in the nineteen eighties. You got into the guy. He really knew how to give a complicated idea, but snappy name he sure did and trophic cascade, the basic idea that that changes in the abundance of one species at one end of a food chain could have dramatic domino effects throughout the system has been around since at least Aldo Leopold's writing back in the forties, but Bob Paine Jim Steve's really put the concept on the map with their work in the North Pacific. And in the eighties and nineties, Jim and other scientists unraveled some of these other impacts of the Urgent Otter Kelp Trophic Cascade. Like, for example, when otters are absent and dominate the seabed, seagulls tend to eat shellfish, but when otters are abundant and kelps dominate, those same seagulls switch over to eating mostly fish neat. The simple presence or absence of large sea otter populations has been shown to have significant impacts on Kelp Forest Fishes Bald Eagles Sea Stars Muscles, and even Barnacles for as far as JIM was concerned by the early nineteen ninety s actually had had evolved to the point at. Where we're the more interesting question, almost anything affected. By these animals that live in this coastal system. That sounds like an impossible question to answer, but. At this point, it seems safe to assume that the answer is no. Right. More or less depending on where you are on the coast, but now we're going to return to Jim and his long-term study on at to island. Remember he's been working there every summer from the mid seventies to the early nineties trying to document in real time, the transformation of Urchin barrens into kelp forests as sea otters recall is the island. The only problem is. It never happens. The Sea. Otter population expands as predicted and the size of the urgency. Drop as the. Basically eat all the largest once I. But the KELP doesn't start to come back for decades. Meanwhile Jim and others are doing all this fascinating work. We've been discussing other places on other systems, but for some reason at two island just isn't being cooperative. And, that's because Jim later realizes. Of this really important concept called histories come again. History says Okay Walmart time, so history recess is basically a functional relationship that progresses along different pathways depending of under analogy. Okay, I'm still not getting it. Yeah, That was a very technical explanation. Basically Histories, this means that if you have two opposing stable states, say a Kelp forest on one hand and an urgent baron on the other. How you get from one to the other, isn't just a a gradual smooth line. It's not it's not the same going one way as it is going the other. Okay so there's like there's a bit of a nurse in the system, and what it Kinda wants to stay in one state. Yeah, once once it's in that state. It wants to stay there and to get from one stable state to the other. The system has to undergo something called a phase shift. which basically is like a major perturbation that causes dramatic changes in the forces, keeping the system in one state, or or in the other? Okay, like like sea otters returning. Yeah, just like that. So histories this means that there's this this lag time. That until the otter population reaches a critical threshold. This system just won't flip from being urgent dominated. dominated. And that's because it's an urgent baron has. The ability to self maintain. It's got its own kind of agency to a certain extent. Even under pressure. And, so does the Kelp forest in fact Jim, and his colleagues have shown that kelp forests can actually repel urchins on their own just interaction between the Kelp and the physical movement of the water that allows them to kind of beat off. The urgent attackers so that that that is important process, though in allowing the forest us to maintain itself. Once? It has become established even in the face of some moderate grazing pressure from outside so. Basically until you reach some crucial tipping point that shifts the system from one state to the other. It almost looks and feels like. Nothing's really happening and on to island. The just never quite reached that threshold. What happened? What indeed. So by the late nineteen eighties, Jim is feeling like his work. On is nearing its end. Heather researchers, many of whom were his students are working on Urchin Otter systems up and down. The coast, and his long-term study on to just wasn't panning out. But another chance meeting this time with a wildlife biologist name Don Sniff. Leads to both Jim and don heading back to 'em Shikha in the summer of Nineteen Ninety for one more project. To characterize demography and behavior of an Apex Predator at carrying capacity. Basically when the ecosystem can't support anymore, otters got funded. We went off to the Aleutians with all of these expectations about what we ought to see in contrasting populations that were down at low levels, versus those that were at carrying capacity and Chitra Island, was a route sight of a population that ought to be carrying capacity, and we went to Amchitka island. We all this work and nothing worked. You know nothing fell into line with what the expectations would be Nali that nothing really fell into line with what I knew they had been. A decade or two earlier because I worked at that time for example, Jim expected to be able to easily find Seattle carcasses washed up on the beach to study prior to that at MCI Guyland in places where the populations were carrying capacity to find hundreds of them every winter. You know they just be all over the place because they're starving to death. And so you get a lot of natural mortality in the situation, and those animals starve on the beaches, and you find the bones and carcasses and eagles feeding on and all that and that just that was one of the things that disappeared initially. It was like we couldn't find any carcasses and it just like come on, guys. Go Out and look I know there there I worked for a couple of years out there. You know I used to pick up dozens of these things by myself in day. And now we've walked the whole coastline of AMCHITKA and we have not found one. She oughta Carcass for Jim's colleagues and students. This didn't seem that strange, but for him. It was just night and day because he knew what it was like before. Talk about shifting baselines. Befuddled really I mean I just thought this is gotta be one of the. Monumental failures of I felt defeated and we left Amchitka island and he stops off at eight AC, island on the way and almost immediately gets offered a project studying there, so I decided to take the project, and we went out to attack, and things just got worse and worse in terms of. The befuddle you know the confusion and it used to be that we could go out and capture very easily. They became very hard to catch very wild and difficult to catch. Okay so. The sounds really confusing like Jiminez team were out there for a couple of years working and just. Not Getting the results they had expected, and it's during this study on eight AC when several other researchers on Jim's team start to see. Something really unusual was that. Killer whales are attacking eating Seattle's in the shallow coastal waters around eight AC. So metal. Sorry. To that. New. Over the course of a field season, they actually see this happened six times like they see it. Yeah, like they actually witness it Oh my God, and at about that time we started seeing killer whales, showing up in the coastal system in incredible numbers, compared what I ever seen in the past, and then we saw them start to eat some autres, and then our counts of auditors just continued to plummet and. The, question was. Could it be that the killer whales for some reason our drivers of this, and could it be that the reason that these populations are not behaving like we expected them to behave is because they're actually being driven down by another Predator. Okay wait. So. Killer whales actually eat the sea otters resident killer whales like those we know and love here in the sailor sea. Exclusively fish mostly mostly salmon, but transient killer whale populations, it mostly marine mammals, including seals and sea lions, and the like right. Okay, but those animals have tons of fat and energy right compared to A. Tiny CR. It's like a tic TAC to a killer whale. How many CR are we talking about here? How how big was the decline? One of Jim's colleagues calculated that about forty thousand animals would've had to have disappeared in the study area to cause the declines that they were seeing in the Ninety S. Oh, okay that. That seems like a lot of animals for just a few killer whales to to deal with. That's what Jim Thought at first. How in the world could show? Many authors get eaten. There aren't enough killer whales out thirty. Eat that many auditor, so that was initial expectation. And so I thought well. How can we address the question of how many would take and there were? was obvious, really pretty obvious with a little thinking one was how many? And to. How much of value is there to a killer whale? For eating an order, and it just so happens that Jim's wife Dr Terry. Williams had the tools to answer these questions. We were having breakfast one morning and we're talking about this and she's a physiologist and said you know how much is an honor worth? And she said well I'm not really sure, but you know we can terminate very easily. I'll just get some carcasses and we'll blom the carcasses. Y is so much of this episode of bombing things. What is that? Okay so gyms talking about like a bomb Kalorama here right. Yeah, okay so. That's basically a pressurized container that allows you to measure the heat energy given off. With some amount of biomass burns inside of it, so it's the same way that we determine how many calories are in food for all those handy nutritional facts labels, which is basically the equivalent of what they were going to do for the killer whales right? How many how many calories serving of seawater? We got a freshwater carcass from California. She's ended up to UC Davis. They've got. Got An animal grinder up there because they've got this big animal science lab, they grind up cows and sheep, and all kinds of stuff or nutritional at Alice's Senate up. The Davis knows a little right, but you know it was enough intact and ended up with an Undergrad student of worked in her lab here and they put this thing in this grinder and they turned it on. Actually actually. You kind of went into shock and I. Guess the sound just student of collapsed immediately. Just you know so grossed out by this thing, but anyway created a little water slurry brought the slurry back bombed it and so there we had the data on. What was there oh? Wow that that's kind of gross but kind of awesome to in the name of science. We knew how much each one of them was worth. We knew what the feel. Metabolic rate of a killer whale was, and so we simply ask. How much is a killer whale population getting from all those offers if they ate every one of them? And conversely, how many killer whales would it take to eat that many otters? Okay, so, what did they come up with well? Terry ran the numbers and she came in one morning and said I just did the numbers last night, and it's like three point. Two killer whales or something and I said that can't be, she said. I'm sure I've done it twice to make sure you've got a decimal point wrong somewhere. You know that can't be but those numbers. Right wait. Just three killer whales. That's if it was only three killer whales that kind of developed this taste for Otter and then only ate otter. If they only eight theaters occasionally like maybe even one percent of the time. It would've only taken three hundred killer whales across the illusions to drive the otters down like that. And there were definitely more than three hundred transient killer whales in the North Pacific, so what it basically tells you is that an animal like a killer whale of big metabolic active Predator like that can have an effect that is massive on the system. It was intuitively surprising. I suppose I think logically. There was nothing really all that complicated about what we did. The killer whale hypothesis also helped explain other observations Jim made like how they couldn't find any carcasses for all of these dead Otters, and how sea otter populations in the sheltered lagoon called Clam Lagoon. Which is inaccessible to killer? Whales hadn't declined it all well everywhere else across the Aleutians they had. I couldn't really quite put get. My head wrapped around the whole reason for it, but as we started getting onto the killer whale hypothesised for the decline of the OTTERS. It all this stuff started to fall in line. You know just started all make sense, and once you started all make sense. I think the only thing that I was worried about at that point is i. I have I gotten to a point where I'm trying to rationalize this now, or is this really objective? Is it really true and you know I spent a lot of time pondering that I spent a Lotta time asking critical colleagues I pretty much got to the point where I stopped worrying about that or how Jim learned to stop worrying and love the bomb Keller limiter. and not everybody loved this hypothesis. least of all the killer whale community. But it was the only game in town that made any sense and the evidence was reasonably strong. It was not definitive and never will be, but it was reasonably strong. That didn't stop the study from being published again in the Journal, science? Making international headlines and finding its way right back into those ecology textbooks. Okay, so I am? Bothered by one thing here. Yeah, where were all these killer whales back when Jim was doing his original studies on AMCHITKA and Adak in the seventies? Y Do they just start eating so many sea otters, all of a sudden in the eighties and nineties yeah. Jim Wanted to answer this question to. And this is where his work went from being provocative to being downright controversial Oh. Yeah, I won't go into all the details of the controversy because I think they say more about the scientific community than they do about actual science. But Jim took the notion of the church in Uttar, Kelp trophic cascade and just exploded its boundaries. What do you mean, so? Here's something okay. Killer, whales. Name is or Sinus ORCA. Are actually the largest members of the Dolphin family, yes. They are sedation 's along with other whales, but they're actually in this whole other family. The Delfina, day! which you know. As dolphins right so so, why are they called killer whales? I thought I knew why they I mean I previously presumed? That They are scary. Wales that kill, but the the way he posed. This question makes me think that maybe. I don't quite have that, right. This. Is GonNa? Blow your mind. All right so as far as I can tell. Kills comes from a mistranslation. Of the Spanish as Sina, heinous or Wale killers. Throughout the age of pre industrial whaling, sailors would witness killer whales, attacking and eating other whales often Wales that the whalers had killed, and we're just trying to reel in. So. Wailers we're having to fight off killer whales for the catch. Yes, it's mind blowing. My mind is blown. So killer whales eat. Wales killer whales. Eight Wales They might still do it occasionally, but there just. Aren't that many whales anymore. In the North Pacific in the Post Warrior at between the nineteen fifties seventies at least several hundred thousand great whales were harvested by industrialized fleets cheese. It makes forty thousand dollars seemed like nothing. Right like hundreds of thousands of Wales. So, so when Jim and his colleagues were trying to figure out why killer whales may have suddenly started eating lots of others in the ninety S. They looked back a couple of decades before the International Whaling Commission instituted a moratorium on whaling in nine, hundred, ninety, two, when great whales were nearly hunted out of existence. Okay, just like see honors. One Hundred Years earlier exactly and here's the thing. Imagine that great whales made up a significant portion of the transient killer whales overall Diet. If you take that away. These are big animals. They need other food sources, and it just so happens that in the subsequent decades, the eighties and nineties. Populations of harbor seals in the North Pacific plumbing. Followed shortly thereafter by heels. Then by sea lions and finally. By Sea. OTTERS are apotheosis was that it started with wailing? And one species of marine mammal prey after the next after the next. was subject to increase predation intensity because the killer whales simply didn't have the nutritional resource anymore to them, and they started praying on things like Steller Sea Lions and Harbor Seals and eventually sea otters at much higher intensities than they ever had in the past when they had this other Szuber, rich and productive abundant food resources out there that that's one heck of a set of dominoes, otherwise known as a trophic cascade that's incredible Jim, and his colleagues trace the whole cascade to postwar Wailing Yeah and they published this idea, hypothetically, of course because it was virtually untouchable. The primary merits of the idea are just it's elegant, and it explained so many things at once. And also the lack of definitive evidence for another explanation for all of these different declines. So. It's not perfect. And after the publication, things got A. Ugly Scientific Sense in that people started publishing papers that were critical in other journals, and then there were response papers and response papers to the response. Papers so caddy so. It'd a lot of these papers published for and against the Cypresses in the show notes for those who wished to dive in. It's actually fascinating. Suffice it to say what we've presented. Here is not settled science. You know I had we had. We had a battle with the the. Re Mammal community over whether killer whales ever even eight big quails. And if they didn't then, obviously, our hypothesis was totally wrong you. But. I think that is put to rest for some in the Marine Mammal community. That is the community of marine. Mammal researchers marine mammals. Declined to comment for this episode of Future Ecology. Why won't they get back to us? This and other questions may never be put to rest. Will probably never be sure whether gyms hypothesis, which is now known as the mega final collapse. Hypothesis is true I mean it wouldn't be the first time that mega-fauna collapse had massive impacts across ecosystems. When even be the first time on this podcast? But one thing is for sure. Sea Otter populations collapsed across the Aleutians in the Nineteen Ninety S. And they have yet to recover from those losses. Bone the nineties when the system fell apart when the towers collapsed, and when the Kelp forest shifted from being kelp system to an urgent system and we saw that happen, we were living on top of the system when it changed, it was a remarkable thing to see and happened very quickly over the course of a year or two. It's still that way. The numbers have continued to decline. There aren't very many of them They haven't declined much, but there has certainly not been any recovery. The system at least the last time I looked at it and my colleagues that have been up there, and it's been a couple. Years now was still urgency everywhere, no kelp. We hardly ever see killer whales anymore. As, it wasn't the beginning. My explanation for that is that there's no reason for them to be there anymore. There's nothing for them to eat. These transient killer whales authors gone the Pinna peds are on. Everything else has gone. Why show up? Why even come around? Feels like a completely different world. They used to be sea lions all over the place and authors all over the place, and there were a lot of seals around and all that's gone. And we have data to document these various patterns but unless you've seen it with your own eyes I think it's hard to be quite as impacted by it. you know. I was out there during a time when? All of these marine mammals were abundant were. Thousands of harbor seals at Amchitka island and tens or hundreds of thousands of stellar sea lions across Southwest Alaska. And lots of others, and so on, and so far the now all those things are gone i. mean there a few? You'll see seal here and there now. Sea Lion here and there you know. The Otter populations have declined a about two orders of magnitude. You know by about ninety. Ninety, eight ninety nine percent of what they were in the early nineteen eighties. We start working here, so it's hard. I think you can read those numbers, but unless you've seen it with your own eyes, it just doesn't quite have the impact. I mean it stunned me. Beyond. Any reasonable recount. Tragic. It's funny that you say that. because. Jim Doesn't see it that way. He knows these populations are capable of recovery. He's seen that, too. I don't see these as a tragedy. Except to the degree that it's been so difficult to get people to open their eyes as to the relevance to other systems too big animals in nature. I I read gyms name. The lead author of a paper, two thousand eleven from science called the trophy grading of planet earth. In it Jim in over two dozen co-authors layout examples of trophic cascades. They've documented in nature from around the world including the Kelp urgency orca cascade. And by trophic downgrading. They're referring to. What exactly. Let me. Try to explain it the way I did when I taught generally college, aged students and I would say imagine a world. That had nothing but plans. And the the physical environment was not limited to them. They were plenty of nutrients. There was plenty of sunlight plenty of water. Those are the main things that they need and there will be lots of plants. We have a green world. This is the world that I want to live in. That's not surprising. Now imagine a world where we have one more element. Burglar, things eat plants with nothing to limit them. Food they're eating. This is the world I actually live in on the Gulf islands. Under those circumstances, you you. At least conceivably and predictably have a world where the plants become very much less abundant. Now add a third trophic level predators on those. Conceivably that those predators on airborne will eliminate that Aurora effect, allowing the plants to become as abundant in the system as they would've been where they no other animals around. And you can take that logic as far up the food web as you want at another Predator and had another Predator and another Predator and it's going to cascade down all the way to the plants. And it's GonNa do so in a predictable way so that when there is an even number of trophic levels that is two or four or six or eight. You'RE GONNA have a world in which the herbal horse or limiting the plants, and when you have an odd number of trophic levels that is one. With just plants or three? Predators herb plans. You're going to have a world that is very much like one without any rewards involved. And so that's the basic theory. The author Urchin Kelch system is an example of a three trophy level system where you have the predatory waters influencing the. Urges. Influencing the plants, the KELP system. When the killer whales entered the system, they turned that three trophy level system into a four traffic level system by eating the IRS and it behaved exactly is that theory would predict that is that it became an even. Numbered ecosystem they are voice became abundant, and the plant became rare. So trophic downgrading than is. When there's a change up top. That cascades down the system. Affecting the plants negatively. In fact, the notion of perfect downgrading is a little more complicated than that could operate a number of different detailed ways. But it in every particular case. If you perturb. These higher trophic levels species expect to see big changes. Oh. You could say that we're seeing big changes. In the world today and Jim's work has been critical to understanding them at least here on the Pacific coast. There is a lot going on in this ecosystem. Yeah! But. What's amazing to me, is that? You made it through this entire episode spanning the whole, Oceanic food, Jane from toe tip. Without even once mentioning Abalone. I did did I. I. Guess We'd better fix that. Does next time in part two of our series on Kelp world's. Thanks for listening. This episode of Future Colleges was produced by me Adam Huggins and Mental Ski. In this episode, you heard Dr James SD's. Also Jim gets a huge amount of credit for all of this groundbreaking work. But as we spoke to him, he wanted us to make sure that we recognized all of the students, collaborators and researchers that made these discoveries possible and that we just couldn't include in this episode. We can't name them all but special. Thanks go to John Palmesano. Tim Tinker Dave Duggan's Jay Watson Bob. Paine Terry Williams Johnson off Vincent Schultz and Dan Doke. We'll be back next month on the second Wednesday with part two of the series. Please rate and review future colleges wherever podcast can be found. 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Pay cuts spread further down the ladder

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Pay cuts spread further down the ladder

"We are going to book the Program. Today with jobs. How many we don't have to start off. And what jobs mean at the end of the program in between small businesses workers and industries all try and cope from American public media. This is marketplace in Los Angeles. I'm Kai Resolve Thursday today. The second of April. Good as always to have you along. Everybody Viz is one of those economic crises. That at almost every turn turns out to be more serious than people had been guessing. Exhibit A. This morning's new report on new claims for unemployment insurance and almost unimaginable. Six point six million people double the already staggering three point three million from a week ago. Tomorrow we get a look back at the whole month of March which bad as that report might be and it is. GonNA BE BAD. Won't be the whole picture because it's based on surveys? That were done before. Things really went south one thing we can confidently predict though wage. Gains last month probably weren't much to write home about. They'd been math for the better part of a decade now and now that the recession is upon us that really matters as marketplace's Mitchell Hartman reports since early twenty nineteen wage gains have slowed down. Despite historically low on employment in fact the average workers wages have barely stayed ahead of inflation. And why you economist. Edward Wolff is an authority on household wealth in America. The wealth of the middle class is still down by about fifteen twenty percent. So are at the cusp of another recession and the middle class still hasn't recovered from the financial crisis. That's a familiar story for leanna right of Alexandria. Virginia she's forty six and until last August. She worked as an office manager at a nonprofit. She made a little over sixty thousand a year and with the high cost of living in northern Virginia. She struggled to make ends meet. I never really had a lot of savings in the first place. Then she got laid off. She's been temping job hunting and living off unemployment benefits in early March. She landed three-month Gig as an executive assistant which she can do from home. She's making twenty an hour and trying to catch back up financially. It was difficult trying to prioritize. What pay and things like that you know. I was really rocking the credit card that writes finances going into this economic crisis or typical of Middle Class. Americans and why use Edward Wolfe says back in two thousand seven. The median household could lose its income. But keep up. Its spending for one and a half months by twenty sixteen had fallen a lot. The average family in terms of income really hasn't much financial reserves to maintain its normal consumption for more than a couple of weeks further down the income scale the stories worse higher up. It's better terry. Williams is fifty four and works for a Roofing Company near Fort Lauderdale Florida. Her husband's a maintenance manager every year. He's getting an increase. I'm getting an increase. Both of them are still working. So what if their jobs and income Galloway will be okay I would say probably maybe three months. I really WANNA push it more than that. But at that point I'd have to reassess and then you start you know what bill don't I pay? Nyu's Edward Wolfe says? The top twenty percent of households have more than two years of money socked away to keep up their spending. I'm Mitchell Hartman. For marketplace staying with a theme here wages. Broadly speaking while unemployment rises some. Who ARE KEEPING. Their jobs are getting paid less. It started with top executives at Disney in Columbia sportswear lift and Marriott. Cutting their pay sometimes two zero. Now that's trickling down a companies like soul cycle and the medical device maker Boston scientific from the Workplace Culture Desk Marketplace's Megan McCarthy Carino. Has that one this week. La Copy Writer. Laura cone got a call from employer with some good news bad news. She could stay on but with fewer hours and about a thirty percent. Pay Cut few at least working a little bit and to have you know. Small amount of income coming in is better than nothing. Nothing is what her husband is getting after losing his job as an office manager so Cohn was glad. Her employer stopped at cutting. You're paying hours. They opted to keep people employed. So you know. Hey we're all in this together. Ucla management professor. David Lewin hopes more firms will take this approach. I before cutting jobs you can get to exactly the same. Labor cost reduction objective and the upside is workers keep their benefits while businesses have an easier time recovering when they avoid layoffs. The downside says Paul Davis at Cornell pay cuts can be worse for morale and productivity. However this time might be different. I think that workers are going to be a little more understanding a little more amenable right at least initially. But he says as pay-cut spread further down the ladder from the executive suite. They have a broader impact on the economy. Part of that is just the number of people affected and part of it is how hard pay cuts hit. Average working people copywriter. Laura cone doesn't have to worry about a roof over her head. She's staying rent-free with family but she has other bills coming due now that she's lost chunk of her paycheck that was basically our health insurance premium. Which she definitely doesn't WanNa skip in the middle of a pandemic. I'm Megan mccurdy Carino for Marketplace Wall Street ended to the upside. They even with that unemployment claims number. Yeah I don't know details numbers. You know the drill in the category of workers still headed out into the economy to work every day as opposed down to the basement or into a spare room. Those designated essential of course is gale. Harold choose a part time employee at a convenience store called royal farms in Ashburn Virginia. She's also one of the ten people we are profiling and our series about the American labor force called the United States of work I go. Hi Kay let me ask you first of all how you're doing in these very strange times. I'm doing fine. It's not a lot I can do to take one day at a time. You're still working right still working. Yes so that I guess helps. You can add a little bit but I don't you know I just worked two to three days a week. Yeah I know how are things at royal farms? Slow not very busy but people are buying a lot of gas and probably chicken through an lunch. Dinner Sell the chicken and of coffee in the morning. Yeah last time we talked. You told me about the chicken and I should come by and I guess I I will when I travel again by someone. We can travel know all these people who are buying gas. I wonder where they're going. You know I think the same thing. Do they think we're going to run out against something. You'd still have to go to work. Because they have a lot of construction workers landscape so some people are working you. You're you're in the essential worker category an inconvenience. But I do have to ask you. You are also in Do this without giving your age away too much. You're in you're in the high risk category. How do you feel getting out and in public? Every day already passed stopped but I mean I feel fine. I'm not scared. Work Gloves on. Wash my hands wear gloves. Typically those washed my hands at that. What I'm doing all right good last time. We spoke one of the things that really lit you up when we were chatting was how much you love to travel and in fact that's why you worked to have money to do things you love to do one of which is travel. You can't do that now. That must be that. Must be tough for. You probably need to be home up and cleaning out stuff stuff. You've been putting off doing but I you're right. Everything has taught except work. Red Hat no. Aarp so so red hat is the social group. You you the ladies you travel with and you spend time with. You can't do that now. And you are a really social person that's I keep coming back to that with you. That's your thing. Yeah I get to see people when I go to the store. I still talk to always still facebook. so what happens though? Gail this lasts and other. I don't know two months right. What are you GONNA do? I guess I'm going to walk the dogs every day off or I mean like I said t to three days a week but western need when we go to work now. If if we get stopped by the police we have a letter that we show them that we essential gail. Listen take care of yourself. Wash your hands Be Super careful out there. 'cause 'cause we don't want anything to happen to you okay. One quick thing to mention here about Gail and the other nine people. We are following following. The premise of this series was defined ten actual people who stand in for the one hundred and sixty four million of us in the American labor force and we started with this question. These are the people who make the economy work but is this economy working for them. Needless to say when we started back in February and told you we were going to follow this group for a year. This is not the way we thought the year was going to go. And it's not the way they thought it was going to go either of these ten people who we matched up against data from the Department of Labor so they are roughly representative of the workforce as a whole two of them have lost their jobs in the past month. In other words in our admittedly unscientific sample. The unemployment rate is already twenty percent smarts. Big Day for small businesses in this economy. They run pretty lean most of the time those businesses only enough cash on hand to get them through maybe a couple of weeks or rough times which a lot of places those couple of weeks are already up so tomorrow is opening day for those businesses to be able to apply for loans. Coming out of that government rescue package marketplace's Smithfield has that one. Disaster loans have always been around in some form or another but this is different is actually a a nominal phenomenal product and program? Michael Roth is managing partner at the advisory FIRM NEXT STREET. And he says the best part of these new loans is that they can be forgiven entirely. You take out a million dollar loan if your payroll costs plus your mortgage or rent. Immense and utility payments equals the million dollars. You don't have to pay anything back. Not One penny. Though to get the loan forgiven you have to use at least seventy five percent it to pay your employees. The federal government wants to get this money out quickly. All three hundred fifty billion of it but lenders aren't sure how that's GonNa work. Daniel Marsh is president and CEO of the National Development Council which lends to small businesses in underserved communities launching tomorrow. And we still have many questions open. That were awaiting SBA guidance that would allow lenders to really start lending with Any volume. He's worried about that holding up. Help that business owners desperately need now particularly in low income neighborhoods Cynthia Ward Wikstroem of Main Street? Alliance is worried about that. To the banks are saying that the people they will be able to approve quickly are the ones that they have existing long relationships with so that exacerbates the inequity that is is exists already exists in the system but for all of the issues and logistical challenges. This is the biggest source of support out there for small business owners. And if that's you Michael. Roth says his best advice is get ready to jump on this now tomorrow. I can't stress enough. How important it is if you have the resources to be the first one in the door and to bang on the door of your banker. You should be doing it for people who don't have those resources. It may be a long time before. They're able to get the help they need. If there's even any money left I'M SAMANTHA FIELDS FOR MARKETPLACE? Coming up there leading to give event. They're also trying to enter the now more than ever right. You got innovate first though. Let's do the numbers down four sixty nine today. Two Point two percent twenty one thousand four thirteen as picked up one hundred twenty six points. One point seven percent seventy four eighty seven five hundred fifty six points two point two percent. Twenty five and twenty six oil and gas stocks surged after president. Trump said he had spoken leaders of oil. Exporting Countries about production cuts member. We've been telling you about the glutton supply that's out there also falling demand hello. Exxon Mobil jumped seven point. Six percent today Chevron surged ten point nine percent Konica Phillips packed on fourteen percent general. Electric says it's plenty of the thousands of workers who make airplane engines because nobody's flying right shares down one point nine percent there. You're listening to marketplace Heo. It's three McRae's host of marketplace's podcast. This is uncomfortable and I'm here to tell you that we are back with a new season each week. We take a look at money. Influences everything from romantic relationships and friendships to our identities and the jobs we go after new episodes every Thursday. This is marketplace. I'm Kai resolve the more we learn about the nuts and bolts of how the rescue money from that two trillion dollar package Congress and the White House passed last week is supposed to get out into the economy. The more the haste is showing. Just one example. The rules for who exactly is eligible for those direct payments twelve hundred dollars to individuals that the law provides for those rules are going to miss a bunch of people any immigrant with a social security number provided they fall below the seventy five thousand dollar annual income threshold gets a check. The problem is that doesn't represent a whole lot of working immigrants in this country and as marketplace's Andy you'll reports thousands of them have lost their jobs up until about a month ago. Rossana who made between fifteen hundred and two thousand dollars a month cleaning houses in Miami but now our I hope they cancelled all my jobs and now I don't have money to pay the rent and I don't have money to pay the electricity bill. Ho says. She pays taxes on Oliver Earnings. But she doesn't have a social security number which means even if she's paying into the system she's not eligible for any public benefits no covert nineteen check from the government on top of that. She's worried about getting sick mutual Mitchell. I'm really scared because if I get sick I don't have health insurance. The trump administration has told immigrants that their status would not prohibit them from accessing any covert nineteen related healthcare but Sandra Feist an immigration attorney in Minneapolis. As many of her clients aren't buying it and other uncertainty. Many emigrants say. They're getting a lot of mixed messages about the pandemic from their employers particularly in agriculture. Stay at home. Orders in California have exempted farmworkers amend security stuff that you are an essential worker and yet we're not making sure that they're staying safe and it's not just undocumented people who could be left out the grand is a former. White House official who worked on immigration policy in the Obama Administration. You know you're a US citizen with a social security number on your tax return. You've got a spouse or a kid and They're undocumented the nobody in that household is. GonNa get a check. I assume that the logic is that the federal government didn't want payments to be going to unauthorized immigrants in the United States as Julia Lab at the Migration Policy Institute and Immigration. Think tank. She says this administration is nothing. If not consistent with its immigration policy president trump has maintained for years that illegal immigrants are strain on the social safety net undocumented folks paid more than twenty seven billion dollars in federal state and local taxes in two thousand seventeen according to the new American economy an Immigration Policy Group. Legal immigrants contribute even more almost three hundred eighty billion. I mean Euler for marketplace if ever there was a time for all of us to understand the economic fundamentals who boy this is it so good thing the marketplace morning report is here for you. David and the gang on the early shift have a project going. It's called ECON extra credit the basics but not in a you know like painful way there's a newsletter to Econ extra credit newsletter marketplace dot org slash. Newsletters is where you can go to subscribe are parts of this economy big parts of this economy. Actually that are being shut down because they have to. There are though some parts. That aren't being shut down because basically they don't have to but also fundamentally they've got schedules we are talking book publishing in particular right now. Even though some people might have extra reading time on their hands it can be tricky to get a hold of actual physical books between close retailers and Amazon delays. Right so we got Rachel deal on the phone. She is the news director at publishers. Weekly we've got her on the phone to talk publishing in this corona virus economy coming on. Thanks for having me. So is there a calendar question to be asked here and and look I will fess up at the beginning? This is naive question but couldn't publishing just put its calendar on hold for two and a half months and then when finally we can all come out of a quarantine. That's when you guys get back into action you know right. I mean it's a nice thought The reality of human. It's a nice thought. She says very gently. Yeah okay now it's it is and I I think you know for books that are publishing now If your publisher pushes that book to the fall you know. The fall is historically when the publishers released their biggest titles. That means you're GONNA be competing for attention and airtime with some of the biggest books that are going to publish all year so as bad as it is right now I mean. Will that be better for you road? We should remember here too that there's an insider ecosystem built around the pump date right. You've got author Book Tours and you've got literary conferences and yeah so there's that whole thing as well I mean it's so it's it's luck. It sucks right now. I mean there's no way of putting it it's it's all imprison events were cancelled tours or canceled. You know everything. They're moving to digital events. There's also trying to enter the and so you know let's say you have a novel coming out. You might be able to do off that about what? It's like. The publisher novel during the You know the current advisor even if nothing to do with a pandemic or anything that's kind of sucking up all the air time right now so big picture then right. Publishers HAVE THEIR PROBLEMS. Author certainly have their problems. What's the worrier? What are you hearing from independent and smaller and maybe even larger booksellers about the lasting effect of this thing because you could see Amazon gobbling up whatever market share it hasn't gobbled up yet and independent booksellers in and maybe bigger ones to just fundamentally going out of business in two to three months of this last right? I mean that that is the essential threat. I mean if it's a lot of independent booksellers go out of business. Which you know is again. I mean we'll see what the simulation package can provide. And then the big big concern is how if Barnes and noble can weather the storm. They're the biggest stopgap against Amazon. And then I think people always think of publishing in terms of you know the big corporate publishers that you know the big five but the reality is the industry. You know significant cornerstone of industry. You know independent booksellers to small independent publishers. There really important. And so you know if you lose a Lotta small publishers. It means that many fewer places publishing books and I you know that's really bad for authors and. I think it's bad for readers Rachel deal. She's at publishers. Weekly Rachel thanks a lot. I appreciate your time. Thanks so much for having this final note on the way out today coming full circle as opposed to the big picture economic news of the day that absolutely staggering unemployment claims number this morning six and a half million people this week at three three million from last week ten million people out of a job basically overnights thing is those jobs I mean they bring income sure and stability yes also though a sense of purpose and for a lot of people a sense of self worth about eight or ten years ago. I did an interview with Philip. Levine Levine was a poet who wrote about and won the Pulitzer Prize for in fact his poems about Working Class. Detroit including this one which I asked him to read for us on the air that day it is called. What work is we stand in the rain in a long line waiting at Ford Highland Park for work? You know work is if you're old enough to read this. You know what work is. Although you may not do it forget you. This is about waiting shifting from one foot to another feeling the light rain falling. Like missed into your hair. Blurring your vision to you. Think you see your own brother ahead of you. Maybe ten places you rub your glasses with your fingers and of course it's someone else's brother narrower across the shoulders than yours but with the same sad slow ch the grin that does not hide the stubbornness the sad refusal to give in to rain. The Hours wasted waiting to the knowledge. That somewhere hit a man is waiting. Who will say no? We're not hiring today for any reason he wants. You love you better now. Suddenly you can hardly stand the love flooding you for your brother. Who's not beside your behind or ahead. Because he's home trying to sleep off a miserable night shift at Cadillac so he can get up before noon to study. His German works eight hours a night so he can sing wagner the opera. You hate most the worst music ever invented. How long has it been since you told him you loved him? Held his wide. Shoulders opens your eyes wide and said those words and maybe kissed his cheek. You've never done something so simple so obvious. Not Because you're too young or too dumb not because you're jealous or even mean or incapable of crying in the presence of another man. No just because you don't know. Work is Philip. Levine on this program If I remember right just about during the financial crisis All right we gotta go down industrials up four sixty nine today. Two point two percent. The Nasdaq picked up. One hundred. Twenty six points one point seven percent yes and p five hundred fifty six points two point two percent there. Mir Be by John Buckley Eve Epstein. Riccar John Gordon are the marketplace editing staff? Betsy streisand is the managing editor. I'm Kai Ryssdal. We Will See tomorrow this is APN.

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Turn a Moment into a Movement

Up Or Out with Connie

33:33 min | 1 year ago

Turn a Moment into a Movement

"The. We're obsessed with the Connie five show. It's about a lifestyle shift to move up four out, Jay. Really? You. It's about opening a new door to live your dream. Get too early. It's about enjoying the journey. It's about keeping it real. Jamir years interviewing the did you were. It's all about you. I wanted to do stop taking shit. So seriously, the taking outrageous out life laugh, this these that Connie fife show, we really union Airdrie. Now, your host, Connie fife. Hey, it's kind of five the unstoppable diva. I'm also the founder of the talent concierge, very well known talen concierge around the globe. Today. You are. You're listening to the county five show. And remember we want y'all share in this video. We want to let folks know what we're doing. And the incredible guests that we bring onto our show because every week we have some amazing guests have some amazing giveaways and just like today. Our guest has an amazing giveaway for you. And I'm going to share that with you in just a little bit. But makes you that you're sharing. So you can get your hands off those giveaways, remember share share share. So again, we bring everybody here every week. We bring our guests to because they are sharing with you the skills the business assesses that you need to scale your business. Whether it's from a nonprofit association a corporation or even educate. Shen we are bringing you the tools and the chips and that secret sauce, so you can kill your business and keep moving up or moving on out. That's what we like to do. That's what we like to share. So our guest today, we're gonna be talking about how to turn that moment into a movement. And I just I love that. Because if you're if you're all me, I'm an activist for several organizations cancer, fighting cancer and also an activist for beyond me too. But this gal she she's she believes turn moments into movements the out her career accomplished career as a broadcast journalist oppress secretary or a US Senate candidate of philanthropists a lobbyist in the nonprofit executive. She has turned public and community service into an art. For him that has positively positively impacted millions our lives, and she continues to work as lobbyists for a nonprofit even today, and she is sharing today. Her fire starter formula to help you turn those moments in two movements and welcome to the show Kerry Williams dairy, Terry Brossard Williams, my say correctly, I am from Louisiana where vowel or different from every other part of the country. So he grew Dr Bruce Broussard, I should know that Bain from Louisville Kentucky myself. I guess I've been outta there far far removed. But I always say you can't take the country out of the Galp, you your background. And again, I I so could relate to this again myself being an executive of nonprofits over the years in a sal- the lobbying work that I've done and and development work that have even done at the US chamber of commerce. You talk about turning those moments into movements. So explain that a little bit more. So our listeners understand what it is that you're talking about actually kinda have to thank you for including me, part of your family the work that you have done buyers knee. And so it's exciting the share a little bit of my world with with your viewer listener. I come from a family that they're incredible human sadder built with faith in disease, and my grandparents solve my parents have all been servant leaders with just true heart of Gold Toe from an early age. I remember Bolland here with my mother and father, and even my grandparents in the story about how I knew that you can turn a moment into a movement, and it starts with my my family. And so my grandparents lived in a part of Louisiana in Lafayette, where they had a drive to go to church, so many families that live near that didn't have cars. So they were walking in the heat, and we have hurricanes and not know, Louisiana. But they had a walk just to sing a tune on Sunday. So they turn them Bom it into movement by building church, and and there was a place for many to worship. And then about a month after I got engaged that church burned down. And now, my family will say it was all my fault. Right. I finally got engaged to Hector. That's why. Really? My parents that term that moment into to rebuild the church from overseeing, the finances, so weeding the capital campaign, and my father was a top of it all and around that time he got ill and shortly after we celebrated the grand opening of the church and had a grand blessing. He passed away when we buried actually. Oh, so that legacy in that movement continue today for the many people that walk through those doors. And so when I looked toward my own experiences, both professionally and personally through community service their moments, so very many moment. Now have Dern into. Wow. While I always talk about that. When there's a need, and you just put it in such a special special way. And my my husband, I decide his conversation the the other day where he works at. And he was talking about some pieces of equipment. And he's like I cannot believe there is nowhere that I could find this piece of equipment. The nicer what there is a need create it, and there's so much of that out there. But I love how you you come across with that so much from the heart and you're sharing, and you're also you're also working towards that. And you talk about those fire starters that that really cause that movement to happen. But that fire serve that really happens within side of us. And I could hear you sharing that when the church burned down. That you father, your parents, you know, they really stepped up to lead that movement will leave that lead that charge because the church, and it is something. I never expected you to say church when you in you as saying. When you send people will walk in thinking, they got a bus. I mean, you wouldn't even larger as a friend of mine Maori says thank bigger and bigger you an even larger that reform Lee to say, no, we're not getting a buzz. We're going to build a church. How much more community impact? Can you get in that? Yeah. And like, you said definitely from the heart and learn that, you know, fire starters of people that see something that others ignore. And they do something about it big or small, so it can be you know, out as little starting a movement at a Starbucks, right right through the Starbucks. You pay for that drink for the person behind you that contagion begins and you've started movement that day, and I came from your heart or it could be something as big as making sure that a community has a place to worship in my company. They proud right. So what are what are some of the other things with people, and you know, leading with forty two leading with Grayson you mention servant leadership. And I. A true believer and servant leadership. I always say the people I I could work with people from the janitor to the boardroom every everyone to me is the same able when I worked at the US chamber some of the people that I was meeting with everybody. Oh my God. I can't believe you needing these, you know, Norman Lear big movie producer or Donald Trump at the time. And they say how can you do that? How can you hold yourself together? And I would say, you know, what we all put our pants on the same way in the morning. And it doesn't matter who that person is. I just want to know that I'm serving them the best that I can. And that's exactly what the the representation that your family in that year doing is leading with that forty two leading with that grace. So a mean that fire starter formula? So how we how do you help people embrace that within themselves. So they can find you know, what that is. That is missing and build on that. Yeah. Great question. So I have all which I called movement maker tried dot com. And I share many ways people are starting movements from within the business days. I'm told a story about a young couple who decided to start gift box shop within the heart of Detroit, which you know, an area that really needed to be rebuilt at one point of the last decade, and they are young and they're building that base in their own community. But I've also told the story of a young man named how many oh Brown whose mother was formerly incarcerated was was out of jail. Looking him play for to live, but could not find a place to live and his mother, Sherry was a fighter. She was someone that really learned her lesson and wanted to turn her life around well and Tony actually with worn into day. City council member of the city of Atlanta and the first ever are at the time, I should say openly gay person on council, and so she found that wire I he was helping others and that that led him wanting to have life of service. And so there you can find those type of stories are reading the stories of people that are starting on profit. But in each of the lessons, I try to break it down to what minute being to build that movement bitter small, but but I learn from each each time, I probably Jori really you have to have a cause, you know, what is that why right in why you fallen in love with it. And why it's important to you and your community, and then you really have to connect with people and build up that community of people that can help you get started my and then when you cannot fit then you'd communique. That would be the third death is to communicate with the public. People will start to join your movement, and they will want to be a part of something that is bigger than themselves in those people that you're communicating with you want them to have the same core. Value and say how the same energy desire for that? Because the changes that the hard part where the work begins fee, and so changes really that that law that a when you do the work and create it. So I take people through the for four season the fire. Started formula the things that are needed inside that movement within that is center of it all to have full movement through my blog in different ways. I I help them. Nice. So I'm gonna play devil's advocate here for mitt because I still I still get phone calls because I was in the nonprofit sector for so many years from the, you know, the chambers to the girl scouts. So I did a lot of consulting in the nonprofit area for a couple of years at I started my own business. So I did this program once and the program was about people wanting to start their nonprofit, and this is one gal. She kept talking to me. And we've followed up we had numerous conversations about it. And she did see a need. However, there were other groups doing the same thing that she wanted to be doing. And her struggle was starting that nonprofit going through that whole process van it turned into dramas as if she was competing with these other groups, so my suggestion to her why started new nonprofit since you already have two of the groups in your small community. Go to them pull them together rally them together and start one larger group, and that's actually what they ended up doing. And it's even been better for her because she's she's a mom, and she has children, and she's still as wrong company and business. So now that they growl and pull this all together. The folks from the other groups, they're actually more hands on and. Actually turned out to be the right thing to do. So I always I always talk to people when they say they want to start a nonprofit to say, let's talk about the reason why what's talk about. Let's evaluate and see if there's someone else in your community are already doing this. And the case of your parents. There was no clearly no church in your community. So I mean that really was a need there that they found that they stepped forward to take. But I do cautious everyone because and you could probably agree with me Terry that there are so many nonprofits. So just make sure the reason is right. Just like just like you've been sharing make sure it is coming from the heart be certain it is coming from from within. And that there is that need out there in the community because what I found is where have all of these different pockets doing the same thing the dollars become. Less. So I always look at it from that strategic point of view saying okay rehab. This one's when I was a girl scouts in Pennsylvania. And other councils were all going after the same organization for money, and they came back to us. And they said, you know, what we're not gonna give to each you. But if you come to us with one project than we will fund you right? Yeah. You started off saying you're playing devil's advocate. But I think we're speaking from the same playbook, and when that Banff all you're talking about nonprofit, I think that everyone is a leader that can start movement. Oh, yes. And there might be a larger room in unity. Right. Right. So even if we use your nonprofit example on nonprofits need many movement from within. We take we take a moment like girl scouts. So right now, they're many girls out on Unix and go out chapters that are in jeopardy of losing members. Because now admitting girl into their ranks. Right. So this is a great opportunity for someone who cares about girl and leadership up and say, what can I do to help the girl Kelsey come more strategic? They might start in the area in the girl. Scouts such Jen is a unit doesn't have been pergram. But boy scout, you know, does it might help them amplify that voice from within on. Or they might encourage them to go into an area where they haven't been before here in central Texas. They've taken troops beyond bars. So they look no way to go the special bond for girl whose mothers might be partner. And they can't have how a troop into they call the community troops. Right. And so you are the reader that immunity troop, you were a leader that at that moment entered into movement. Move. But don't have to be starting a brand new not right? It right amplifying the Wednesday. I mean that is perfect perfect. And that that is a movement maker like you said that could be at existing organization, but there is still a need. And I would say probably ninety nine point nine percent of all nonprofits need a movement maker. Always and to organizations all around, you know, again on my blog. I don't just highlight nonprofits, but I you know, people that are doing and being big and small and daring and their community. You know might be starting a business or today, I just highlight one for Earth Day salon and the Idaho right now take the foil from your hair and they resent. But there the first of their kind of there's started that is definitely I didn't even hear about that one. But yeah, definitely, I know I get those foils every month. I'll have to tell her hairdresser that by. Yeah. Good looking for taken from art. I do need to take a really quick break. We'll be right back. And then we time for straight dog. And there will be right back. Show us her everywhere, you can find the county show and most of your favorite networks. It's time to recognize it and our Jerry networks for all their support in. We have much business radio cease wing radio transformation radio on Brady. We also heard Google play apple radio. And I just can't keep up the ball. I hear unstoppable diva. Learn more about her, Jim. And now we can't work together at my vantage showing in website kind of play show dot com. I'll see you over there until then light my share share share back in the show. MG we're back and I'm Connie fife in. You're listening to the Connie five show. Our unstoppable guest today is Teri. And I knew say there, Terry Broussard bruised regard, Bruce are getting close because. Jerry, Broussard Williams, and she is sharing how you can turn a movement our moment into a movement, and there's so many opportunities out there to do that for non profit to profit to starting something and dismissing something forward where you see that need. Now, something people don't know about Jerry is teary, you you don't hear out of your left ear August jet dry, or you don't see now was that caused by accidents or burn. Wherever you're in on young and learning how to walk I fell into a coffee table and damage my nerves and so brawl of my life. I have not had left ear or less. I, but it's definitely something. I talked a lot my social media my blog about the and fortitude. And so, you know, when I think of what it takes to keep you from not excelling moving something forward as you highlighted earlier. Definitely fortitude. It hasn't been they allow the hinder me. Wow. I mean that was incredible. When I see that. I was like I was just in in all of you, even at that point that you again, you don't let it hinder. You you just keep moving moving through that. So now, it's time for some straight talk. So Tiriac you could finish the sentence for me. I am unstoppable. Because. Ooh. Because I am fairly and I'm determined to increase the good around me love that. I love that. So what? So what is your process? I know so many opportunities have to become a new way. So what is your process for evaluating opportunities? Oh, this is something that resonates with me right now. You know, we've been talking about the girl Galveston and just recently, the central Texas board asked me to join its ranks and to all real time straight. I was a twelve year scout and have the honor of being a part of their roster women at the think shin. When you think about board service or being a movement maker, you really have to think about where you are here. Like, and do you have the time to give you know? Do you have the skills that they need Ryan has aboard to help them succeed? And, you know, do you have the treasure disipline that board? And so I have to on my blog actually movement maker, try dot com. You can download that are mapped in valuation tool that can help you to Termine. If whatever comes before, you a committee opportunity, a nonprofit board opportunity or even starting your own movement as right for you. I've been going through that process on think about is this right for me and right now, and I think they just got a new CEO for central Florida are central Tecos rather plies, right? And I made dedicated. Woman because out of out of this reason health the current CEO. Do they have this just this rich history and leg the right, right right because years 'cause I still keep track of who's going where and I think you're central Texas. She just went to Charleston art now. No, yes. In that growth got off right national ghost office. Right. And in the other you neighboring one she's the one that went to Charleston. So couple of years snap goes in Texas have been moving. And that's what I that's what I knew of. That's I was aware of so interesting. What advice I can give you one Schutte Termine what you can offer which I believe is tremendous arrested wouldn't be asking you. It will be very rich for you train who part of the organization at once you there. They say that you start bleeding green. I think I still bleed rain. I was gonna see that. Yeah. I was on the board for many many years before I became a CEO. So yeah, I definitely. Yeah. That I'm spent twelve years that was my last corporate corporate gig. So yeah, I love I loved every minute of it really did. So the next the next straight talk. We have is never have I ever. This should it's going to sound like it's impossible. But never have I ever given up. When I first of all, I one core. Value are route belief I have is that there is always always away. There's always a way to happen. When I think about just my family, my grandparents, you know, who their parents pick cotton, and they did not finish high school. And they lived the good white. And they always figured it out. I I used Spiratou n-. But I also believe that you know, I have to uphold that that family value at standard. And so even at times where you know, men in the the marble halls of capital have gum in my handbag or have told me I couldn't pass a law. I never given up. This force me to double down. Yeah. I love that. I love that. We can go into a totally different conversation. They are on 'specially being a lobbyist. But like you said double down. In. I think that's been part of my my fortitude are where I was given the name on stoppable because if I seem something that wasn't going again, especially working at the US chamber. It was like, no, we're gonna work double down. We're gonna take to where we needed to go at it. Make sure Carter I know for me. It did just makes you work even harder for what it is that you want. So so what's next where do you go military? I'm just the person will probably always be involved in too much. And serving my community. You know, I have just the honor for the rest of this year to serve as a teaching fellow at the university of Pennsylvania, working on mugshot edgy. It has been so wonderful. And it's not only helped me, you know, my my day job as an lobbyist. But it's also really allowed me to see things differently. Am I writing my blog, and then coaching the people that that I do my everyone hook Lobi days. Oh, yeah. And my. And mine is coaching others than helping them with their there's planning project. I will continue to do that. And along the way learn from incredible and unstoppable, people like you. So you doing that virtually or are you in Philadelphia? Most of it is virtually all day time to hear it to Philly, which I'm going to love. Okay. I love Philly as you know, K me, by way of Pennsylvania. So love philan-. Yeah. It's just an awesome. Awesome chalmer. So well, I'll also you have a giveaway so talk about your giveaway at also let people know how they could find you. Oh, yeah. The fun part. I truly believe that leaders can moment and a movement. And so, you know, my block focuses a lot on the landscaping as we've been talking about and politics and movement building that move it or within. But I say on time people complain about Nancy Pelosi or when Paul Ryan was in power. You know, Paul Ryan was was also the the person they complain about. But really we have the power to create the change that we wanna see I love to say, I'm the speaker of my house, and so I would love to give away to your listeners viewers. Some of my speaker of my house, wag the mug and shirts and all kinds of things that were remind Ben that they they have the power to your moment's into movement. I know when on your website, I was like, oh, this is way. Cool. So. Ideas are really cool. So we'll have to talk about what we can get here. Autographed. So we I've never. I have to get a market or do those mugs t shirt? Yes. I'm autograph pieces yet. That's what we love. We love those autograph pieces that we get them out to everybody. So thank you for being here. Terry idle work that you are doing it. Just I'm proud to have you on the show. I really truly am. Well, thank you, actually that's not allowed to anyone yet. But Nate may I am going to be launching movement. Make your TV that you can sign Coon video on all of my social media. Okay, here go, which is carried so heroines that home. It was on Instagram, Twitter and movement maker tribal base. Look what love that room maker TV. I love that. I love the are you going around to different places interviewing people. How will you do? Not. I watched the first season right here in with some movie makers that I love. Okay. And I interviewed some activists someone from the mayor's office someone who works at a community foundation someone who fund raises just lobbyists just amazing people right here in all I love that. That would be so cool. I can't wait to see that. So we'll definitely have you had that we include that. That information, and our when we push the show out on love that love that again, thanks for being here. And that's all we have to. I would love to keep talking to you, which is running out of time. My production team will be like you talk to launch again. It's my fault. All right. Well, we'll just have to leave it there close at their. And that's all we have for today. I love our tribe. Our love our family are members. And thank you for continuing to follow us each week and remember to share. So we can get you. Some of those autograph mugs. Terry williams. I'm Connie fife, recovering C, suite executives CEO myself. I am but we are here. We are moving ideas forward. 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Are you a Movement Maker?

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Are you a Movement Maker?

"I was going on people. West Westchester from the correct mistaken podcast. If? You haven't heard about anchor. It is the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me count the ways. I and foremost is free. You know we say about life, right? All good things in life are free. They got these dote. Don't creation tools allow you to record Eddie. Your podcast. Right from your phone or your computer. Anchor will distribute. Let me say that one more time anchor will distribute your podcast for you, so it could be heard on spotify apple podcasts in many many more platforms. You can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. Think about it, no minimum. Come on, record. Listen to make money. Crazy as everything you need to make it podcast. Everything. You need to make a podcast in one place, Donald. A free anchor or go to dot F. M. to get started. Nevada show! Wrong. What is going on welcome to the PODCAST, the correctly mistaken podcast. Please, remember to rate review in. My really would appreciate that. today's a very We have special guest on. Appreciate her spend the time to come here and talk this for a little bit. She is robust in terms of her. Resume. She's an author. Of the Book Find Your Fire Stories and strategies to inspire the change maker inside of you. She's a speaker. Philanthropist and the host of the movement maker podcast and many more stuff I mean She is robust and does a lot of a lot of things. And his Terry Prue bussard Williams Terry. How you thank you for coming onto the show and I appreciate your time how you doing terry. Thank you so much I tell everyone. I'm Hashtag tag team too much. Much! Too much going on I made. You Ain't got a lot of downtown, so you'd be able to get stuff done you being able. Focus more because you know, they say the idol somebody say the idol mind is a was workshop. She knew. If. You're not careful Salah try to maintain. It gets done myself because it's important to stay active so I'm learning from you to stay active. So first and foremost I. WE REMINISCE Terry, not acts you in terms of what's going on in this country. The covert! How's everything family? Everybody Good I. Think you're down in Texas area. Is that. I live in Austin Texas from net will leasing Anna so. In a spicy. Yeah so I did have a Rod. People my family Louisiana. That did have Kobe on. Being Louisiana's thirty five percent, black and seventy percent of Cova cases were black, so my mother, my brother, my cousin, lots of people in my family have survived. And Harassed Austin. We are this week is for the July's. When you and I are reporting for those that are listening, but this week Austin became the number. One City in the country an increase cova cases, so I am hunker down and the house. Definitely washing my hands wearing my mass is really important. Do So, it's so it's. That's another podcast another day, but Matt where a mask please just wear masks in care. Others, you know you know. Take care of others in. A massive portal wash your hands and do all those things that you need to be doing so. I'm happy that your family's okay. I'm happy. Thanksgiving will stay hunkered down Austin. Is You know it's Kinda girl crazy down there with all those other states so I'm really happy that everything's good with you and yours now Terry. I WanNa talk to you because. When I saw your. Wassall of a quote that the county hit me, said leaders. Turn moments into movements. And I thought. Wow, you know I was even. It's funny I was talking to my boy of the day while onboard the other day and I told him he was like. Oh! That's good I said. Yeah you. Don't think about it, but there's moments that we have that we can. Maybe they could change to a movement. And I know we have a lot of movement that we do work a lot of ideas that we have in mind that we want to do, but a lot of times it doesn't get to the next steps and turn himself moving forward with the work and I thought you your. Your what you do with interesting because you help people get from the the moment or the thought making an accident movement on based on giving them the proper tools detains that thing to of movement, so I thought that was different. We always have ideas and we WANNA do stuff. Who are the people that help us with the LEGWORK, to get the ideas going to help us get the movement going, and that's exactly what you do so where where's the motivation? Where's the inspiration behind? Not Saying not being the ideal mega come show your ideal, make as well, but to be able to help the people with the idea to make the two movements. What would that inspiration from? That's a great question. So I'm going to. Take it back my family. Louisiana Nam so my grandparents helped build a black Catholic church in Louisiana quite some time ago, and they did not because they. They had a drive. I get five miles to church and. We're fortunate enough to have a car, but not everyone had a car in the neighborhood. They saw an opportunity to step up as leaders and to build a church that was closer to home, not just for their family, but others and that church became headquarters or just community epicenter in Truman. Louisiana, instruments and neighborhood in Lafayette. And then many years later, my mother and father they. They came together as well, and they started a youth group at that church so once again, hero, our leaders that are turning this moment into a movement at that you grew. Exists today. And many years ago about almost ten years ago at church down. and. My mother and father once again stepped up and they were the leaders that the church needed that moment bay they began sharing the capital campaign, and they also oversaw the operations of the rebuilds, and we buried my father in that church with my mom is still very active. Today. It so you know the stories and the examples that I have seen in learn from my family are those that inspires me and so through my work as a lobbyist in Atlanta as someone that has really been in these streets doing the word I I when I look at myself or those that are part of a movement truly is just one person that had say if not who within me, and who raised their hand to begin that that movement and so I think everyone. Can Be a leader that can turn a moment into a movement. And I never knew that. That particular phrase would resonates right now more than ever. I. I I. I was building my blog and my website, and just how I wanted to move in the world's. was like three almost four years ago when I began this journey, and when I look what is in front of us today as society, you know a country as a global unit Truly we need a lot of leaders and movements have to be big. They could be simply small as wearing a mask right now, know. You you can definitely be a leader in that way. As it s amazing, I thought you know always you know when you think about movements, they start, but sometimes the legwork. So when you say that you're helping people make. What goes into that in terms of him I WANNA make a movement and I to do X. Y. While I wanna make a mass moves. Let's say. How do you? What's the strategy process? How does that go? Having that making it into a movement. How does that work? Sure, we definitely talk about that Bindra. Prior got yes you. Me Out in a couple of weeks and I will begin to. Be Purchasing that I'll let you know that Jerry. I appreciate it. I was actually what when it went on. Amazon But so I talk about the fire starter formula. I believe that a beater turn moments into movements are fire starters. They are changed Baker's. They are movie makers here are the people that see something that others ignore, and they are called to to create change, and so therefore steps fire-starter formula. No matter what that movement is if it is a movement. To lead a rally, or if it's a movement, you know to secure gym balls at a school. Because school might not have. The fence needed athletic. Or even literally, if it's a movement to to get people to wear masks there four things that you have to do the first, you have to identify your calls and you have to make sure that that causes something that. Resonates within yourself? You're not passionate about an issue and you don't care about your own cost. Your movement is not moving. Nowhere! No, no array is not moving, and then the second piece of the fire starter formula is you have to find a collective? You need people that could sit at the table with you. And help you lay out a plan for that vision. It definitely needs to be people that also care about your loss, and that have the same values envision as. you know when you think about the civil rights movement in the sixties. Rather. They share core values. They had guiding purpose. So if you have one person that is is not of the same mindset again you're movement is not gonNA. Move because that person's gotTa take it off. Track the once you have your collective then you're gonNA WANNA. Start, communicating what are doing and you're y. that's really where you're going to put your Sewri work together. You're gonNA, really rain that mission to life and do it in a way. That inspires others to be part of that collective You're really gonNA communicate that you know to every person you see every personnel you come in contact and invite them to join. The law stabbed is is strange, so there are four sees in the firestarter formula, but the changes where you really get your hands dirty. That is when you will be in the streets. doing the work that is needed and what you have that framework Then you could use it out a lot further because every move. It requires different steps as part of that. Change. It's different if you're going to be working on a law than if you're going to be working on a rally or if you're going to be starting a nonprofit and. So in find your fire I really share stories about twelve different change makers who are fire starters who have either started supporting her amplified a movement and broke down exactly what was needed for each type of movement but also. You can go to my website, which is serious Williams. Dot Com and sign up for my newsletter. You'll get a downloadable worksheet that will help you with some of these steps in the fire, starter formula and help you begin story board right Yep. Wow. I tell you. What do you see in terms of a movement that you have? If you had today about a movement that you feel like you start I'm sure you've helped in sparked a lot of people in terms of making movements. What is the one that you would say I, can't I? Don't WanNa? Put you on the spot saying what you're most proud of, but one that she. Airplanes. I will take you back to Louisiana That is where my lobbying. Career began on this question. Okay, you get into it. Okay, go ahead, Yes, so. Actually. I will let you ask that question. I'll say that story out in Texas I moved to Texas in two thousand eight and part of the reason why I moved here, the organization that I was with really wanted to make all the restaurants in Texas smoke, free bars as well and so we went to the state legislature in tried to move a bill that would require all restaurants are smoke free and we couldn't get going. It was a movement that was not moving. In. Step back and said. I believe there's always always way you can ask anyone that works with me. We get stuck on my. No, there's a way there's always a way to do so hard to figure out. Yeah, we'll figure out what's that move? You outsmart rate. And so I, I said we city by city, and we empower cities to create their own laws. They will do what is right. At that time, you're only thirty. I've cities in Texas. That were smoke-free. All the major cities were included with the exception of Fort. Worth and I worked on. Some of those large cities. Do that went smoke free well, but. We wanted to start a movement, and so we went city by city in in a course of three years. In the team, I was part of at my organization we. We got it to one hundred thirty five cities, so we were able to start a movement by empowering people in their communities. To take the lead in truly that was rare as started to see firestarter formula. Come into play, because no matter what type of movement I've worked on If it's been changing, laws are bits been starting capital campaign for an organization or creating nonprofit, those four principles in the fire starter formula have always been tenants that are were to have when started. Wow. Something something in terms of you would from so be it with mark a grass roots situation so you Kinda whip from? Two City, just kind of like a campaign and I know you work in campaign in terms of really grassroots, and I never really understood as I've gotten older I have was a grassroots grassroots like get on the floor yet on the pavement and powder that pavement, but I really understanding how important! It is when you do that because people are moved by passions of other people sometimes and if you show. That you have and you're talking about we don't need. We don't need slogan here or we don't need you know smoke free wrestle. We need smoke free restaurants. Somebody who doesn't think about their May say well. Okay, maybe we do, but she's passionate about it. Maybe this is something we gotta get behind I. Think a lot of the passion that comes through like you said yet the obvious that like minded like you to have bashing to go forward to get something done so I really I thought that was That's. When I talk my thoughts, that's fascinating to me in in terms of grassroots, because I've always been fascinated with the grass. mindset, but it really show how important it is to get down to those those those the nitty gritty per. Se and they were to get something done based on what you're doing now. I want to get a lobbyist. You were lobbyists and I and I've always. You have always said. Lobbyists got DC lobbyists lobbyists. Where how did that being a lobbyist in that timeframe you? I think you lobbyist. I think it was. Was it sixteen years of said here from correctly. And I'm still lobbyists. Okay, you're still lobbyist. I should have put that to your robust lobbyists. Approaching in terms of your resume, but being lobbyist. How do you feel that correlates in terms of what you're doing as a fire starter as being starting to move in maker impressing? Senators and pressing policy makers to get things done. This was at a great. Influence on you in starting this movement yourself. Yes okay, yes, so. Our Bobby, at one Organization for Sixteen Years I've been Miami for about. The American. Heart Association excuse me go ahead. Yes but so I. There are different ways that you can start a movement right so. We'll have grass roots somewhat have grasped tops it just it just depends on what what it is that you want to to do. and so that's my always daylight. People who are fire starters people who see something that others ignore and bear can help. Call to take action. And so when you're working on movements. You might want to end. Homelessness would within that space. You're trying to change a whole system. There is a stomach problem in a systemic issue that you're trying to change. So within that movement to end homelessness. They're going to be a lot of different people that will be a part of it, so you might have someone that will be a fund raiser that will raise dollars for nonprofits that provide direct services for the homeless. You might have someone who. Might create a church environment for homeless people to go to debate have a place to worship or someone that is providing food. They're all different ways that you could get with. A one piece of having system system, systemic change or one piece of a movement is public policy. So a lot of lobbyists work. At local state and federal levels to create them page, so you can, you can help solve the problem by passing laws so for for me. I got my start in movement building Not Because I was a lobbyist, but actually before, but I do think to the point that you are trying to make the question that you asked. Being a lobbyist has helped me really refined my movement, making skills, the most because I'm having to influence lawmakers to do something and asking them to vote yes, or no on an issue, but a lot of times for the type of work that I did especially when I was at the American Heart Association. I would use grass. Grass tops so you know people that were incredibly influential in the community to also influence an advocate for those issues with the with the lawmakers I would also use grassroots, know people who who were everyday citizens, and they were constituents of those lawmakers and also ask them to advocate so there. There are so many different pieces to building movements so many ways that people can plug in. You know that's why I say everyone to be a leader that starts supports our amplifies leaflets. Now in the midst of the climate that we're in now with with the racial climate. You being a black woman. As well in this country, what? Do you feel like we're in a moment? Where moment you know I, think we are in a moment where we have an opportunity to really have a movement. So how do you feel? Do you really are we? In the moment? We have a moment. We you really some change happening. So do you see? Right now any about positive outcomes based on the movements that we have right now in terms of going forward with this d see that, and if you don't what moves, you fail means to be started, so we can see the change that we want. Right yeah. So. You're saying there's great work that's happening right now. if you care about. You know health disparities. There's a place for you in the responser recovery around covid nineteen. There's so many people that needed to help. That movement is really going to be rebuilding communities for quite some time. You know from making sure that people have access to adequate healthcare. To regular people have food that they need to eat. You know to rebuilding our economy. That work is GONNA. Be Your hot. You know, but we are in the middle of dual. You know because we. Re probably at the moment which could be greater than the civil rights movement of the sixties, right? We, we are now talking about systemic racism. We are now talking about police brutality, and so if you WANNA be a part of those movements. There's some great work out there so for each person. We just have to decide to be what to start a movement because we see something that might that there's a void that might be in our community. Do you want to support a movement that is already moving or do? Be Want to amplify someone's work so i. you know I always hesitate to tell people that will we're in the middle of something. This big data unique start some. Something clearly defined. There is clearly a boy in community because there's already great work happening you know, there are organizations that might. Be based in one city that might need to be skilled nationally, or there might be. Things are already happening nationally nationally. That might need to be taken to one city, so I would encourage for this particular moment in time for people to really identify what it is that they want to do within those two buckets, of movements that are happening at a large scale and decide how they might WanNa create. No so for me I really want to help train the people that to do the work. I want to inspire people but also. Now I've been writing a lie. From the diversity, equity and inclusion perspective on how people can change. Tastes the way Bay they see things at their workplace or in their community. are just I. Hope that I can tell some stories as a black woman of things that have happened to me that have been raised related. That might allow people to see that someone as educated as I am as an Ivy League graduate. With activates that I humbly have, but all these things I can still be on the other end of racism, and maybe they can They might be inspired to have changed in their own self and their community. Because of that so I gave you a different answer. Of those different questions, but there's so much opportunity right now that I think there's a way for everyone, a plug innova desire, but if someone truly sees a void in their community, but there's also space for them to start a movement to take action. Are you hopeful? I am I am. It's so easy to not be hopeful so easy to feel the heaviness. What's going on in the world around us? You know between? The death of George Floyd and the US video release Heavier Ambler who. Happened in my county in my city and some of. Those officers involved live in my neighborhood. And you know someone in my family went to high school. Middle School heavier. Between those two moments so easy for me to physically feel the heaviness of it and I did. But I'm hopeful because of the TECH PSYCHIC when people who've never ask questions before the emails I get people wanting to know where to get resources that the traffic on my blog I held A. Webinar last week ends for women who are members of the junior league. The junior league is in four countries has about one hundred thirty five members in three hundred chapters. In eighty six percent of its members are right women. In. Five hundred fifty women registered, and you know usually when you get a number like that the response rate of people who actually click the link to show up for seminars about ten percent so I was thinking that we would get ten percent of five hundred women. Three hundred twenty women showed up. For the conversation. And the conversation was all about raise I'm hopeful because this would have not days not WanNa be a part of the change within their community within themselves, so I also say sometimes the greatest movement is the movement from where they the movement that you need to show up differently in your community. In terms. What is your what how you can fill in these past month? You know being a black woman and and seen everything that's been going on really the racial relations really coming to a head when it started with George Floyd murder murder of Joyce for world back to a mile. Aubrey Brianna Taylor right. What is your feelings of it? In terms of being a black woman, how do you How do you see it? In terms of this moment, how do you see possibly play out a what a what steps that we can do to make positive outcome that we're looking for because I think we're at the time now, Terry, where? They. We are in a moment we are here at the time is now, but it's very interesting of the way we go with direction that we go will have a big affect on the positive outcome that we're looking for. So how would you feel in terms of? With been going on. In this moment in race relations in the country. were. You asked me you asked me a whole lot. They're. Breaking. Away maybe. First, you asked? How do I feel I've been doing this work for a long time so even though as a lobbyist. I represent an an organization. needs in 'cause. You're I have been burkey ing as a volunteer in the criminal justice space. Time promos five years the part of that movement so definitely when we need change. Also you know I found myself in space for the last five years where? I was either the only the first are the young against. Black. Woman at a teachable. You know. oftentimes I might be all three for that. And, in so when you're the, you're the only one at the table. Everyone often looks at you for the answer and I I knew the answer it's. Right I grew up in the perceive segregated sow. Perceived desegregate very segregated, but so a lot of things that I know that are inherent of things that I've seen but I actually went to school and got certified gotTa Graduate Certificate Diversity. Equity and inclusion because I wanted to have academic framework of when people ask questions to be able to help them so again past couple of months have really felt heavy because it's a lot, there's a lot of work to be done. A lot of people are asking for help, but but I also know I believe in the power of the universe. I mentioned that I'm the Catholics Mabille eightfold person I always say I. DO everything was imported? Because were to do what tells you that? Way Or And so you know, I am inspired by what is happening around and I feel like I was made for this moment I was made to be a part of the change. That's happening right now. you also ask what is needed you. You definitely asked as well. and. What is needed is everyone has to think about what is their role in this you know How can be a leader about his heart of the movement and I go back to sometimes the greatest thing that you can do for movement is do the work within yourself. You know so there is someone that is not of color. That's listening to your podcast. I really hope there is then what is that work that needs to be done inside. How can they learn about unconscious bias? Begin to have uncomfortable conversations and be comfortable with being uncomfortable. That's the movement from within. For those of us that are part of the movement that are actively doing the work We also got to take care of ourselves. You know we have to make sure that from a mental capacity, a mental standpoint that we are strong always now that we're getting sleep. That were have a friend. Who every time she calls me water, you know. Like. If you are doing a lot of this work, that water will help you. It'll make sure that you eat. It'll make sure that your sleep like water of drinking runner right now, but. Know if you want to be a person that amplifies supports or start movements. Figure out. 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We are back on the other side of the podcast correcting mistaken with Terry Prue Williams. I'm so thankful for her time. Talent indefinite treasure coming on in blessing the podcast how you Terry? At read to do she. Reintroduce yourself would come to the next semi for the people who just probably maybe just starting to tune in so like I said I appreciate her time. He's an author of the Book Find Your Fire. Stories strategies to spire. The change makers inside if you she's a speaker philanthropist, the host of the movement maker podcast and she is also a lobbyist she still. Doing the work like she said earlier, she's in those streets. Getting getting the work done like what you said earlier you were talking about people who are not of color to start having uncomfortable conversations on the other in the first segment because of the fact that I've kept saying all the time when it comes to racism when it comes to you know inequality. Weedon started. And we didn't meeting. Create it so a Lotta Times. We really and I wanted to see what you're asking. It was answered. I've always thought it's really hard for us to change something that we didn't create. We need the people who created there to help us. Make take a stop to it. Make stand. And Stop what is going on so I really do. Appreciate that because that's something I've been saying. And if people who are not of color can really come together and understand what is going on what needs to change I. Think then we can really start the change that we wanna see. And that's right. That's what I love. You, that's what I believe so. Now what is the role? Into you, you're allowed a nonprofit here. You do a lot of now. I worked at some nonprofits over the years. What do you think is a pivotal role? They can play. In this in this movement in terms of pushing forward the cause of equality. Yeah what! Certain, maybe maybe not on. A certain problem with what they can do that. Stanford I know. Lots of the cash-strapped is tough for them to do stuff. Sometimes, because you're not in the sector, make a prophet so in certain ways. But how does that work in terms of nonprofits? I think it's just a big question. He we're on zoom, so we can see each other. Not Grab my face though. Like all Is I grabbed my as because. It's a big. I mean big answer. The Rule of nonprofit is a really big rule. Most nonprofits this because again there was a void in the community and they're seeking to billboard so. There's so many ways to answer that question. You know. And the work around the stomach racism inequality it's. It's really large, so there's so much. The non-profit has to look at themselves from within who they have sitting at Sap table. Is The staff table diverse? They knew look at the table. Who is sitting at the board? The board table divers. Are you requiring people? To sit on your board and to make a very large get. If you are. That could be a hindrance to some people and it might not be reflective of the community that concerned, so you know. How are you really you know living the mission into ends then in the work of the nonprofit like the programmatic speed late. Again is, is the work really diverse or have you created systems within a system? That is you know Enabling the semi graces not exist in a community know for example. Are you requiring people to pick up food at a food pantry at ten am while? If you've got a job, ten am you'd be at work or if you got a buzz and then walked to the Pantry, you might not be able to get there at ten because that journey is fight long You know there's a there's a lot that you have to think about within that programmatic space to think about argue you know again, enabling some of the systemic issues that already exists then when it comes to. To Fund. I told the story just this week of a nonprofit that through a white party where you had to wear all white. Tickets were under fifty dollars each, so you had to have money, and it was not on June team. It was not to twenty twenty because there are no vets being on Wednesday. But the irony of a white hardy, where the majority of the people at the party our way on June TV you know and the tickets were expensive. So what are what are some of the right putting out? Think of it into ends. you know the tactical piece of it? You know there is a role that every nonprofit can play especially. If you look at the work around equality from into end, you will find at least one thing that you're nonprofit can do to to be a part of that even if it's not part of your. House grabbing my Fisher. But it was a great answer, and I think in terms of when it comes to the nonprofit. It really starts in your own backyard. Mostly non promises are within their communities so like you said if it's not the diversity within that process nonprofit in the first place. How can you really impact your community when it comes to racist Lauren quality where you don't have faces that look like you not say they all have to look like you buy could be that verse to have different viewpoints to how to get something accomplished now one more. He'd while let you go to get you out of here and put on. Make you plug your politics a little bit. What would you like to see in terms? I know interr- This presidential race Joe Biden He hasn't picked yet, but he's looking for a woman. Be Vice President United States so in your estimation. Who who do you see best to fit for that? In terms of helping, move this country forward. Can I've always said according to me, I believe whoever he picks. This vice president ends female. They WanNa push them in twenty, twenty four to be president. That's what I. That's what I've listened my thought process because you know Joe Biden being already. What's eighty years old? How I don't think he wants to win. This one in four years have the energy to to. To run for reelection. What do you think whoever he picks for this spot and his VP is going to be possibly the next president, or the or the first female president of the United States of America would be outstanding, so in terms of what he who who do you like to see the big list? But who would you like to see in their? That could really push the country forward come twenty, twenty four, or if he does run again twenty twenty-eight. Here's right out a pipe. and. My job and I like my. Answer that publicly. I can say There's so many conversations that are being had around this. So if someone is looking for information in they WANNA. Be a part of the conversation you know I would follow emerge, which is an all female progressive organization that is a part of this conversation she should is. is nonpartisan, but they've been lifting of women who are running for office and she the people she people's incredible resource that is for women of color and it's. Encouraging women to get involved in political space, so and there are plenty more, but you want insight on. Who should be your candidate? All of those organizations great organizations to follow because I'm GonNa, keep my patient. And I you know one day where me being you know. Learn this stuff learning that I didn't know that you're right. I want to keep your paychecks. I want to say. But you in some buying so I do appreciate to answer that like I, said sometimes, you gotTa keep that money coming in. Here. Movement movement in the fire started going Terry. Thank you so much This was outstanding. like I said here, correct station. I'm always looking to have great conversations. We even greater people and was something of Education for me. 'cause anybody, bring on. The I want to ask something to me, also my audience and education. That was here today. Something that we can all use going forward so terry so much for your time, and you become an on record mistaken. Thank you. You're fantastic. I'm so happy to be a small part of your movement. So then you probably appreciate that L. cluggy stuffing for you go get. Your author and you got going on down the pipeline anything. You want the audience to hear what you got going on. Yes, still find your fire. It's actually the advance reader copy is on my table. It will soon be on Amazon. So definitely. I would love for people to buy my book. You can get updates on win. The book will be released at Terry Williams. Dot Com, that is my website and I would love for everyone to follow me on Instagram at here he'd be. Williams helped me get my numbers up this right. I'm a I'm a I'm a follow I think I followed the movie moviemaker, but I gotta get to follow the table shot as well. Make sure you guys do that as well this important because she is making things happen. And she's doing it for the right causes doing it for the 'cause. She's a black woman as well and she's making sure that we all heard. On every level, so terry I appreciate you. Thank you so so much for coming on and anytime. You know you got some much. You WanNa. Talk about somebody that you want to. You know, get out there. You can always come crooked steak and get it out there so I appreciate. I appreciate you. Take you take care. And then she goes. Much much thanks to our guests Terry Bussard Williams for join us here on the correct mistaken podcast I do appreciate her time. Her treasure indefinitely her talent. She's a black woman. That is doing a lot of big thing communities. She told things within our state. She's with Dole things within the country in pushing change and getting the policy makers to make true change that we need so. She is somebody that people need to be knowing. We listening to I'm GonNa have our information on my show notes so you'll be able to go to her website. You'd be able to get her book. All that good stuff so I! Do appreciate her time. Appreciate her candor, and once again blessing the podcast in really educating us. In terms of how we can start movement at true change. So till next time. Love everybody. Hate no one. This is the correct mistaken podcast and I'm your host, Wes Cherry. blest. Piece.

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Detour To Neverland - Episode 169 | Michael Kay

Detour To Neverland

33:21 min | 7 months ago

Detour To Neverland - Episode 169 | Michael Kay

"Welcome to detour to Neverland your guide to Living Your Best Disney life through your hobby business. Here's your host Brendan and Catherine. Welcome back to detour. Neverland today is episode number one hundred and sixty nine happy Monday. We are happy to be here with you. And before we get started with today's episode we wanted to share something that we're participating in this summer. Ren Disney is doing a virtual run series and Brendan. I have decided to participate in it. Luckily they are just five ks. So nothing super crazy. We've learned our lesson at least for now but we are really excited to be participating in the races and if these races are something that you are also participating in we've set up a group. It's called Neverland. Outcast VIRTUAL RUN CLUB. And it's kind of a mouthful but Brendan. I set it up along with his brother in our friend. Grade who participate in Brennan's other podcasts kingdom outcast so we kind of combined the two podcasts and created one big group and we think it'll just be a fun way for us to share our training schedules costumes if you participate in dress up in wearing costumes to virtual run your local park and your local park. Yes so you might get a lot of funny looks but you get a medal at the end. So that's all that really matters and we just think it'll be a fun community a good way to connect with people And we're excited about it. Yeah so the link to that group is in our show notes or you can search for Neverland. Outcasts virtual run club to mouthful but it was the best name that we could come up with. But it shouldn't be fun. I if you don't know the themes for these three runs that take place over the summer. In June July and August will be space mountain haunted mansion and the Mad Tea Party. So should be a lot of fun. You could be a ghost dressed up running in near Park. That would be cool. It might be a little hot for that. You could do a tandem. Three people and you could be a cart and space mountain and that would be funny whatever it might be. We thought it'd be fun to have a place to share all the photos and share your experience as we go through those last thing of registration for those races opens up to Morrow March twenty fourth. So if you want to participate in just one or participate in all three and you can do that if you do three you get the challenge metal as well. Everybody loves an extra something right. So it'll be fun. Yeah non-competitive or just all having fun sharing it if you WANNA walk them to do whatever we have to do. Yeah should be fun. Let us know if you need the link to that group and we can send it to you as well so our episode. Today is an interview that we are so excited to share with you been in the works for a while and a lot of people have asked for this interview which is always a good sign. I know you guys love the work that Michael Kay does on his Youtube Channel and in his facebook group and on Instagram and everywhere else as well. So we're so excited to share with. You will let Michael. Introduce himself but we'll go ahead and play it and after that we will be back on Wednesday for our three Caballeros Grand Fiesta tour episode. So here is our interview with Michael. Caine thanks so much for having me. I really appreciate it. Yeah no I'm Michael K delighted to be able to share in the magic with you. I have loved Disney since before I was born in for those who may not know. I actually haven't gone to Disney While I was still yet to be born my mom brought me with her and the entire family. We'd go together on these adventures and I continued sharing that magic into my adulthood and love at each more and more each day. Yeah well that kind of opens up into our first question but we are so interested in hearing about your Disney story so kind of how it started with. Also how it's evolved over time. No I appreciate that. Yeah it has so I have loved Disney way back when actually grandparents on both sides of my family at my dad's parents at mom's parents and adds parents were in Florida. Mom's parents were in California and my mom's parents were some of the. I guess that they say some of the first. That's yet to be determined into Disneyland when it opened my mom. My Dad's parents moved to Florida to be closer to Disney. So it has been my family way way back when we have always loved it and for me it kind of creates that family connection which I really value so so much. And that's it evolved from there you know as a child at seal that have a lot of fun with family and then as I grew up I realized how much it really meant to me and I wanted to be able to share that with family and with friends and it just evolved into what it is now. Yeah so we're going to mention it probably quite a few times in this interview but I remember you Terry Wieland. Both our mutual friend wrote what the magic means. And you were featured in chapter one of that book. So what an honor there honor and you interior spoke a lot about how Disney is a multi generational thing for you. That a lot of your memories are going to the parks with your grandparents and seeing how they experienced things and and just having those fond memories so. I think a lot of people can relate to that. Yeah there's something special about it It ties back into you know who we are in the value of family. And I feel like that you know. It's it's tough to capture some time. In the day to day you're rushing around going to work. You know doing the day to day thing groceries. Whatever it is and you taking that time to all be together and you know you think about being disconnected. I love talking about being disconnected and Disney cruise. A good example of that but at Disneyworld you get a lot of that as well. You get to be with family. Just just enjoy it altogether. Which was Waltz Vision? We was his vision he said okay. Let's let's let's enjoy it together as a family. Every one gets in on the fun for sure so I think maybe a good place to start is rolling back I would say. Youtube is probably what you put the most effort into. I would assume you would agree with that. Prompted starting the channel. What was the first inspiration or the first conversation that took place where you decided? I'm going to go for this very good question. Actually all start on facebook even further back and I was. I was sharing in the magic with family. Just by taking some pictures remember I would go to Disney with my family all the time and it came to a point where we couldn't go as a family because of scheduling. Or you know. Some people can't go. Some people can or finance whatever it was and I realized that you know young adult. I've really still wanted to go and I ended up going by and I just take take trips all by myself. No one else was there and I took pictures. I took a camera always loved photography and I took a camera with me. Sorta take some pictures and bring them back for family. I love doing that and then one day I still believe that I was one of the first folks on facebook live it first launched and I was in in the NFC cod does a flower garden festival number. Forget it launched the you know what it came out that day was part of a Beta and he said you know what we try this. I mean let me see if David my brother will log. On and see if he'll watch with me from there it evolved. It started to grow and evolve night. Share these trips that I go on and then start to share my love of the magic through other you know livestream videos on facebook and then went to the sixtieth anniversary of Disneyland. Which was incredible and we had a few changes and I switched over to Youtube. And that's where things really started to change because I realized that there was a you know. There's a lot of friends out there who wanted to share in the magic together so I started to change up the styles. Play with my style of logs Play with style of informational video. And next thing you know I And moving to Florida and let me tell you. It is the best decision I ever made because I could not be happier with being. Close the magic. It's something that I've always wanted and I love sharing it with friends every single day. I'M GONNA get a little off of our scheduled questions because I think that moved to Orlando is really important and it kind of ties into all the other questions and things that we're GonNa talk about today. But what gave you that final push to move to Orlando went just like clicked and you just decided to go for it. It was actually a job thing. I was waiting for the right opportunity to come along. 'cause I wanted to keep the full-time job and be able to do what I WANNA do. As well at the same time at least for now and I finally found it took me a long time to find what I was looking for but I found it lined up with my skills and I was able to kind of transition in and smiling. Every day is awesome. I think that's something that allows people are probably waiting for. I can say even us that would be the dream right field to move down there. It took me years. I was searching for so many years. I've been thinking about it and thinking about it and for the longest time I said to myself. I'm not going to do this anytime soon. Right it's probably going to be a few more years few more years. Even I'm GonNa tell you weeks before I got got the notice that it was going. I would say a few more years at the minimum. It just kind of happened the right job at the right time and off we went. Did you ever get discouraged or thing that it wasn't going to happen? Like did you ever lose? Hope I don't think I left lost hope that it would never happen. I was hopeful that it would be sooner rather than later so there were times where I say. Well maybe I'll get a chance to move when I retire or something like that so I didn't think that it would be never but I did think it may take a little bit longer than what it took. There's got to be a study out there that we can conduct on grandparents that moved to Florida for Disney and probably in retirement and then like generations later to it. Because you mentioned you did that and unimagined. We might do that. Catherine your grandfather did that exact thing to go down there and work for Disney. Yeah when he retired. That'd be me flee decision these definitely look into it. You gotta get into it so your channel has evolved of course lately because of your move but historically you've done that combination of the park blog style but also the educational videos at home. Kind of how do you find the balance between those two different styles? Especially if you're limited and you can't get to the parks as much as you want and then I'll add onto that and say. Do you have a preference Pacific? If you're going to sit down and filled with something would you? Would you rather be flogged style or sitting in your office? Let me answer the second question. I I totally vary in terms of what I will What I like to video it just depends on me and I think when it comes to the blogs and how it all happened at first. I was going on trips and then. When I wasn't on that trip I would make an informational video and I didn't do it because you know it's it's the thing to do or things to to fill out. I really enjoy it. I genuinely enjoy doing that. Jerry hearing from friends what they think their opinions. I love it. I just love every part of it so for me. It was never amount of. Oh I've got to get this done. It was more of A. I want to share this with friends and so even when I wasn't in the parks and that was frequently when I didn't live in the area I would make those information ones based on trips that I've gone on or just information that read experiences that I had and it kind of evolved from there and then more trips would happen and then we would head on down and make more videos about those trips happened and continue the educational process from there. Yeah I think that's really cool and I think kind of in that same realm. We're in that same boat where we're not close and I think there's a lot of other content creators who are in that same situation. So what advice would you have for someone who lives far away but they still have that strong desire to create park related content? If it's park related I would just make sure that it's the part of the parks and part of the the experience that you really enjoy so for me. I really enjoy the filling process. I enjoyed the editing process. I enjoyed the travelling the the whole process to it and I've heard from other creators. Who have said that you know. They love the filming and the going but the editing sometimes gets to him and I can understand that I totally again. I just think that it comes down to what you enjoy. Most you have as long as you find the thing that you truly enjoy you. Just keep at it. The key is consistency. GotTa be consistent. GotTa think about what you enjoy most and then just never lack of it so speaking of consistency I think something that is somewhat unique to your channel is that you have so many different playlists or so many different types of videos that you so like you're back to the basics series you have your blog styles and then you have other types of videos is that kind of intentionally structured that way or again is it just something where you're falling your interest following. It's something that you want to create and then it falls into one of those different buckets. I would say slow both. Actually because you may recall Way Back when I used to create a playlist with just the actual name of the cruise. We'd go on and then you know that would be the entire playlist and I do that still from time to time but I focused less on it so it. It kind of varies sometimes. It's really specific. This is the Disney cruise is going to be about Star Wars at sea. It's going to be a whole playlist on that back to the basics just kind of came to me as I was walking around the park one day and there are more times that I I can. I can tell you where I go to the park. I have no idea what I'm GONNA film. I have no idea what the day is going to bring and I just kind of jump right in and I really liked that process quite a bit. And so that has really evolved for me. It used to be a lot more the planning especially for the educational ones. There is a lot more you know. The research and planning that goes into those the tips and tricks Back to the basics does have some of that as well but when it comes to the flaws when it comes to sharing what's in the park it there's no plan you just you just go and this is a nice mix so when it comes to choosing playlists. I let the winds take me there. Whatever feels right to me but some of them are structured makes a lot of sense and I think there's certainly a balanced that a creator has to find to make sure that you're holding yourself accountable and you're reaching that consistency but you're also not forcing anything that maybe you're not feeling the back to the basics type video this week in the all you know once it comes back that's when you can create it and have those creative juices flowing absolutely and I think it's important to experiment. I think that's really really important for sure. So something that has recently happened to you and as such a major accomplishment and I just want to say it shows through in the videos that you are just overly delighted and honored to be able to be part of that Disney media guest list so I think I mean well. Thank you for sharing it. But but congratulations on that accomplishment. I think so many creators. Maybe I'm I'm curious to know your thoughts on it. Do you think it's something that someone should put on their long-term goals to be able to access that or is it just something that's going to happen organically and naturally as you grow and become you know. Get to the place where you want to be. I really appreciated by way. Thank you for that I I was honored by. I really did not expect. It just came around all of a sudden and it was as you can tell. It's a great honor to be there to share in the opening day magic. Was it something that was on my mind? I had thought about it. I really had. I said to myself early honest. That would be great. I would that would really be great but I didn't let you know beat you know. Guide me the only way. This is not the only the only goal I feel like that there are small steps that are really important to so so thinking long term. I think is very good. I think thinking long-term always a good idea. You know what what do I want to do? Long term in even now have new goals. I have new thoughts about where I wanna go within the future in that so important to have those goals but the smaller steps kind of make make it easier to accomplish the accomplish the small ones. And then you're happily surprised by the big ones so yeah it was really a truly truly great honor to be a part of it and it never hurts. It never hurts to have those big big dreams. While doesn't himself said dream big and I love that because I think a lot of times. People don't want to admit that that's a goal or they are even scared to put out there because it is a big accomplishment like that's a huge accomplishment and I think that's a really good piece of advice to kind of put that out there and allow it to be a goal but also focused on kind of the stepping stones to get you there because you know it doesn't happen overnight for sure. It's so true implied. You touched on that because it should be noted that I've been doing this for like five years and you know if I had said from day one so I'm doing this for the media wouldn't happen so that's not. That's not why I do it. But it's a really. It's a great honor to be part of it so Michael. I have to tell you a while ago. It was probably months ago. We put a feeler out there to our audience and we said who would you like us to interview you? Were the number one name who people say we want to hear from Michael Case so the question then we followed up and said we'll what questions would you want to ask? Michael and an overwhelming number of people want to know that when things don't go right or things don't go how you planned. How do you stay so positive in radiate that to someone on the other side of a screen or even to the people that you're meeting in person just kind of I think people want to adopt that mindset that you're able to share so easily were very kind of of everyone? I really appreciate that I think for me. It comes down to seeing the bright side. I've I've always been one to to kind of see the bright side of everything and there's a you know a motto and Mantras and I guess you could say you know life is short appreciate all the little things. Although things and he has there are going to be moments in life. That are not as not as fun. Of course that's that's part of it but you have to continue to see the positive you have to you. Think About Walt Disney. This really gave me a lot of inspiration. He he had a tremendous number of these failures. Right in the he would. I'm sure he'd call them that. A failure bankruptcy whatever it was but he never let it stop him he never let it say you know this is. This is going to lead me into the future. This is what defines me now and it was amazing. What happened with me and I know we're GonNa get something like this but I you know there's a big failure that I had and sure enough. I I realized in a moment I feel almost felt like maybe well felt this way too. I realized in a moment that the failure was such a good thing because looking back on it it turned into what it is. Now turn into channel that it is now so they're all sorts of ups and downs. There's all sorts of positives negatives in life. That's how it works. It's how you look at it. It's your perspective of it and for me. I love to see the positive. It just makes me feel better. It makes me smile every day. It makes me look forward to what's in the future. I know you are bright. Spot on so many people's daily routine watching the videos and interacting with the social media. Enacting with you in person so I do think that is such an important role that you're playing for the community to be able to share that and to be able to brighten that up for other people so on that similar note I wanted to share with our listeners. A passage from what the magic means that you said Terry and you said doing what makes you. Happy is one of the most important things you can do in life to me. Being part of the magic and sharing the magic is something that makes me super happy so I think so many people listening Catherine I included are not. You know where we want to be that we know that we have something bigger in store for us or or something that we're building towards so and. I'm sure you'll say that you have many more accomplishments that you're going to accomplish down the road on year long term goals but what keeps you pushing forward and how can our listeners adopt some of those life lessons to accomplish their goals in keep building on what they are working on? It's a really good question. I think IT COMES DOWN TO THOSE SMALLER GOAL. So the the big goals are great for me. I'm GONNA use myself. As an example. I wanted to move to Florida. I want to move to Florida was a big thing for me. Didn't know how it was going to happen. I knew that I love Disney. I knew it was. It was the thing that really was a huge part of me so wanted Disney to become more part of my life and I tried many different things I really did but the key to it was never lost the the biggest part of me. Which was I love Disney? So the the other parts of it. Let's let's pretend let's say facebook livestream for a moment. I tried it. It didn't work as well. You know they didn't get in go through so I switched over but I never really lost sight of that big picture and I think that's a big part of it like the goals extremely important. Have those goals? Everyone's GonNa have goals and deadlines but when it comes to why you're doing it you've got you've got to do for the right reasons. He didn't you've got to not give up and once you have that right reason you don't give up. There's nothing that can stop you. You've got to have the right reasons and you've got to not give up. I think that's excellent advice and I think just from our personal experience sometimes. You don't always have the right reason. Nail down when you start sometimes. That's a living breathing kind of moving target that you have to get a handle on and then once you find it. Don't let go sometimes like I think we'd be the first one. It's that we got off track sometimes in our journey but once you've kind of find it and you remember it and you set your goals in line with that. That's when you're you can really get something special. No doubt about it. I think it's absolutely right and it never hurts to change. Those goals never hurts to. Change is the long-term plan for you awesome. Yeah absolutely well. This has been so enlightening much for answering these questions. I we're GONNA take a quick break here message from our partners and then we'll be back to play the fast paced round now that we've had the honor of interviewing Michael Kay in this episode. We featured three of the creators from Terry Williams Book. What the magic means along with Michael? We've had John Big Fat. Panda and also Serena from living by Disney. As many of you know Terry has been instrumental in helping us grow. Detour and a lot of that is contributed to the progress. We made from reading what the magic means. We highly encourage you to grab a copy for yourself on Amazon or at what the magic means dot com will put the link to both of those in our show notes below in you can get started today in unlocking what the magic means to. You could deal so we're back we're GONNA play the fast pass around so Michael. GonNa throw these topics therapy kind of share. The first thing that comes to your mind I'm ready okay. The first one easy one. It's just named the Disney parks that you have visited. I've visited Walt Disneyworld. I visited Disneyland in California Disney ally account as the park for a moment and the Disney cruise line which are mostly going to count as a park for the moment. But I know doesn't count of those individual parks. Which one is your favorite? And why I'm going to go between the two parks not cruiser Alana just for the purposes of this podcast. But I'm going to say my favorite is Disney world. It's where I grew up is just the thing that makes me smile every single day. It's a huge huge place. And I think that's a big part of it. I remember from what the magic means. You said that your individual park is always evolving today. What is your favorite magic kingdom? Today's whereas McCain I know it has switched. It switched several times. I was almost ready to Hollywood studios but I said today just because I'm so looking forward to getting back. Yeah Amen to that So thinking about future Disney trips. What would be your Disney bucket list? Trip bucket list trip would be a trip around the world and I. I was thinking about the overseas parks which I have never been to before but my hope in the one day bucket list would be to visit every single one That that Disney has created. And I'm still looking forward to it in the future. That's one of the goals that I have. That is an excellent call so of the Disney Resorts. Which one is your favorite and it doesn't necessarily have to be one you've stayed at. It's a good one. It's a very good question. I'm going to say Animal Kingdom Lodge Kettani village love. The music of the view of animals. Love the quiet the smell everything about it is just so magical. I always get them backwards. Ca Danny has sonata correct correct. Yes jumbo has boma okay. Yes we always get that midst up. It's easy to do. They're connected by that shuttle. This next one involves just a little bit strategy but if you could only fast one ride for the rest of your life which one would it be okay. I have a follow up question. Does the Virtual Queue Rosler assistance? Count here not yet okay. It doesn't count if it doesn't count that I'm going to say for now. Fled of passage. I'm a huge fan of that ride. I could ride it over and over again. See something new every time. But it's it's definitely one of Disney's best we need to. We need to amend that question. Some deal arise gets a follow up as a follow up there. Which ride or attraction in the parks do you think is due for an exit or refurbishment refurbishment for figments? I'm a big fan of figment. Add love to see a change made there just simply because it does feel a little bit older and they're working on epcot anyway so it'd be the time to just just update it not take away. Figment just updated. So are you in the camp to add inside out or do you want to bring back dream finder or to bring back dream finder? Even though I think that it's not as likely I would love to see dream. Finer comeback inside out wouldn't be bad not at all it just maybe a combination of the both reminder end inside out all the Ip -s throw it all just throw it all in there all of it though which land or just area within one of the parks brings you the most inspiration. You know I was. I was so thinking about star wars galaxies edge and it brings me a tremendous amount but for this question. I'm actually going to say Pandora. Somehow you walk around your transported. The sounds the colors the floating rocks. I'm not taking away from Star Wars galaxies edge but there is something very inspiring about up. Pandora it's just an incredible place. I can see that yeah. That's a good one next one. Our favorite section about food. What is your favorite snack or go to snack? I'm giving it to. Because he said snack or go to snack. Goto snack is the Dole. Whip favorite snack is the night blossom at in Pandora. We've not had that. Yeah goodness detriot. You've gotta try it. What is it it is an extremely sweet slush? Imagine just like a slushy extremely sweet the sweetest one you've ever had and there are. Boba pearls on top that are filled with different raspberry. It's extremely good. Need to have a sweet tooth for it but it's amazing and if you wanted to split when you can do that too mightily sweet tooth is not an issue over here you go. Yeah what would be your favorite table service in your favorite quick service restaurants today opposite today. I'm going to say it's going to be Sinatra for my favorite table service. It is just one of the best Yakin Yetis up there too in terms of quick service. There are couple of come to mind right off the bat. I'm going to say Columbia Harbor House. Not sure why I know you know there are a lot of other ones tempo. Cafe also good ones but Columbia just like that that easy fantastic food tastes like Disney. It's just it's I'm a big fan of it. Concurred retweets favorite two three okay. Well then there you go. So we'll cover some Disney favorites your favorite Disney movie. I'm going to say one classic and won a current terms of classes Hercules. The original Hercules. Really fantastic one in terms of a new or one There are so many good ones. It's hard to pick but for today. I'm going to say Thor Ragnarok big fan of that over excellent choice there he just thinks you think I saw the funniest today avow having a stay at home and it said something like you know first day of like self-isolation and it was like the were you know looking like the war day five and it was the store and it was made me laugh so hard. I thought it was hilarious. That that's very good for me. It's actually been good for my diet away from the parks which is sad but at the same time. It's not not eating as much food. Which is good for me yes. That's a good look at the positive. I'm telling Ya always the positive. So what would be your favorite Disney quote so many good ones. Oh my Gosh Oh my goodness I guess for today's podcast. Let's say everyone needs deadlines but part of me wants to say some other ones there. He's got some great quotes Let's go. Let's go with deadlines. Everyone needs deadlines today We've never heard that one before. Oh Yeah No. It's it's a good one. It's a he said it. I forgotten the context but everyone needs headlines. That's why I feel like they put that one on the construction walls ally. I'm serious all the time. Yes again Very last one. I know this will be a tough question for you. But your favorite Disney parks memory. Actually pretty I like this one. This is a good question I can think of it right now. We were as a family sitting at a Hana at the corner. Table is around table in the corner. I'll Ohana we were there on Christmas Eve as a family and we actually watched the fireworks as a family from the table at Ohana with our lays on around her neck polynesian music around and I think it was wishes was on at that point. It was just an unbelievable memory that I will never forget. I hold onto that one. That is a good one. And that's like a dream like the perfect setting and then you had the parks neckers in front of the. It was the bread pudding but it was just so good Nice Nice. That is a wonderful memory. Sometimes it's something that you know. Simple that bullet family. Yeah for sure. I think he wants to like the opening of Pandora. Mickey Minnie's runaway railway. But for today. Let's say that one. Yeah good deal so our very last question for you. Michael is something that we asked all of our guests. And it's if you have one piece of partying guidance that you can give to someone who's looking to jump into this community as Disney content creator or maybe they want to create their own products. What would be your advice to that person? One piece of advice is GonNa be simple one. Never give up. That's it just just do not give up. It doesn't mean don't try and restart it doesn't mean don't change. The goal doesn't mean don't change the strategy but never give up as my advice. Yeah I think that's really good in it kind of encompasses everything eh that you've shared with us today with your positive outlook and you know having those small steps to reach your bigger goals and everything like that. So I think that's great advice. Good deal so Michael. Thank you so much for that last thing if you can remind our listeners where they can connect with you online of course thank you so much on. Youtube Michael K. You can find my channel there with all sorts of fun family friendly content. All of it is on instagram. Disney with Michael Delighted to share with you. Thanks for again for having me. Yeah absolutely of course. We'll put the link to that down in our show notes. So thank you so much Michael. Thank you for listening to detour to never land. Subscribe to the show and leave a review to help people find us. Follow us on Instagram at detour to Neverland Score. Podcast to see are pictures from the park's see you real soon.

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On The Brighter Side With Russell (Part 1 of 4)

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On The Brighter Side With Russell (Part 1 of 4)

"Hey everybody this Russell Brunson welcome back to the marketing secrets podcast. I've got a special fun treat for you over the next four episodes. I'm really excited for so we've got a friend. Lives our neighborhood who just problem people where I just tell them that they should you launch businesses and podcasts and try to change the world. Because that's just how I view the whole world through and we had a chance to meet their family and and I told her I think you should start a podcast and unlike what most people like here that I'm like Oh yeah that'd be fun. She actually did it and show the podcast and had Because that one for first episodes I went on. I was one of a very I. Guess which is which was super cool. Monica Tanner and her podcast. It's called on the brighter side and so I did the interview with her and she was. She jokes that she was nervous. It was one of the first ones. The quality wasn't amazing but she didn't have you with me talking. Talk a lot about not so much like my my success. As like. Here's how Russell's more on the failure side and family side things like that. I thought was really interesting so that was really fun. podcast interview now fast forward. They two years later she asked my wife to be on the PODCAST. And so did a podcast episode with her kind of like the second half like looking at And at the same question not the same but similar questions that she asked me but through Klutz Lens now. She viewed the experiences and what we do that and so I asked Monica. She'd be okay with me publishing those four ski those two podcasts episodes here on the Marquis secret show and she said yes so. I'm excited for that. So we're going to break it up. And each one into into half so Baseless before episode series was going to be one with Russel Tooth Russell part three with collect part fourth collect Klutz interview just way better than mine and super proud of her. She's a great job is the only second podcast interview ever and so if you love it let her know Getting more and more used to this sharing ourself stories and it's just been fun watching here blossom and show these things some grateful for Monica also inviting Klett to be on her podcast as well so so with that said. I'm cute the theme song when we come back I will start part one of four on the brighter side On the brighter side series. So that Said said let's get started so the big question is this. How we're entrepreneurs like US didn't cheat and take on venture capital for spending money any flow own pockets market in a way that lets us get our products and our services and the things that we believe in out to the world and yet still remain profitable? That is the question in this podcast. Give you the answer. My name's offer Brunson and welcome the marketing secrets. Hello and welcome to on the brighter side. I'm your host Monica. Tanner and today. I have a super special treat. Beat free guys. My guest today is the husband of one of my very best friends in the whole wide world the data of some of my very favorite kids besides my own. He's our neighbor. Uh and friend in one of the kindest men I know over the past ten years. He's built a following of over a million entrepreneurs sold hundreds of thousands of copies of his books. Popularized the concept of sales funnels and CO founded a software company called Click funnels that helps tens of thousands of entrepreneurs quickly get their message out out to the marketplace. Please help me welcome my guests today. Russell Brunson Hi Russell Go. Thanks so much for joining us today. So my first question for you about your way because I moved percent. Yes because I'm dying to know how a goofy wrestler got a catch cold lead to marry him like what did you have to convince. That was actually funny. Famous break selling stuff now. Probably the hardest sell ever had was that fat because when we first met she sees five and a half years older than meam and a bunch of them. My roommates have crushes on earth. We always go as an apartment. Go hang out over there. Because they were all trying to date or something like that. And I didn't think that that was even impossibilities. is coming out. Said nothing else to do after awhile. He's like each other. And then that would be questions. Sounds like date someone older than me. She she actually like someone by event that was the other side of the question and then she said yes the first date and then okay so most people who know you know you as a fantastically successful businessman a marketer public speaker and author guy who can do every. I've been super excited to interviews and strategically place your interview after episode failure. Because I know that you haven't always been this successful. I know that you've had to overcome some things in even fail at a few other business endeavors before you got where you are so I was hoping you would start by telling us that that story. Yeah there's actually a lot of stories about my failures do you know it's funny because when I started my business since I was in college and he just marry just met Colette. And we're about to get married and and I was the first time I'm Erica. My Dad's like getting married and he was like well. How you GONNA support yourself and I was like well? You been supporting me. And he's like well when you get married. I don't do that anymore. I'm like oh I didn't get married. You're you're mad and you're on your own as like okay. I've got to figure out so that's the started this whole process. I started learning about how to you know Internet marketing and how to sell things and try to hold on to almost two years trying buying stuff. That didn't work so there's a whole slew failures in there but some of the bigger ones were after after started kind of figuring out like. Oh this is how this is how Internet marketing works. You create a product. He said a website you get people to come to learn. The basics started making some money and really quick hiring some people because I started getting overwhelming. Hire some of my friends and it's funny because this anybody who would ask me a question about higher because I was like. Oh you care about this higher you hang out with a talk to me because no one else knew what I was doing cared about you know and so I know hiring a bunch of my friends. MM started growing the company. And there's this really weird thing entrepreneurs you make money when you sell something and that's it employees get paid every two weeks whether you make money or not and so we started groans business and they'd want a paycheck like it's paid. I'm like we don't really money. Well we have to get paid so they go and try to put together something really quick to sell and that pay payroll and then like they're out of money again and then I knew you pay day was like in two weeks again so I literally ignore all my staff because I didn't have time to train. You wants to go make money so I could pay for them. They're sitting in the office. I just wondering what they should do while I was trying to make money to pay for them and it was this horrible thing and that was the first time it was about cruise at Christmas time and everything was basically ran out of money ran out of ideas and I was like I have to fire all my friends and family members and which is a scary scary thing as funny without like hanging Christmas lights up listening to an MP three of fake some somebody business ideas and someone had an idea. And I was like I could try that so I called them up and Mike. Hey guys you know this yet. But we're completely broke. I have no money for payroll or or Christmas but I think I just WanNa come try this thing out and they were kind of confused and then they all jumped in and we got together. We put together a new plan. And it's funny now. We'll talk about funnels a little bit but it was a fun we put together. I know we didn't call them that back in the day. Create this thing and we launched it and we made up money to cover everyone for Christmas and also built like a continuity business so we could actually have have money coming in so I was first time. We kind of almost collapsed the business but after I kind of figured out like Oh so it was. It was working again. Those are really big and grew the point. We had about one hundred and something employees employs and then one day overnight like that whole business loss over merchant account everything shut down zoom. The economy is changing and highly eighty people in one day. A lot of them are friends and family member number on all of them are friends family members as well and then over the next three and a half four years of my life. It was just like Lena more people and trying to keep the doors open and just almost going through bankruptcy twice almost looking sued by people who are trying to figure out payment was just. It was a really really dark paint form two and a half three years or so and we'll much irs and finally were able to work out of it but those are the to think back about the whole thing goes to the two big time that my business kind of crashed and it's funny after after the second the second big crash. I had all those people I had a chance to meet this guy who'd who'd made hundreds of millions of dollars superwealthy and he asked me tell my story so I told them like the highlight. Reel that most people hear about is if you ever failed and has like the reluctantly told him those stories about the failures and he was like okay good you cycled as like. What does that mean? He's like he's like okay. Like what does that mean he said did he said he's I'll never work entrepreneur hasn't cycled at least once he says if they're always successful they still believe their own bio buildings there in Kuwait. He's after you've built something and you've lost lost it. All then you cycle is then then. You're you're humble enough to actually be like your tax bill to work with you to actually create something really cool cycle twice as I could actually work with you. I remember thinking like that sounds so much better than failure. But it's so true true now lot hymns I work with people you see the first time they have success like they're they're going crazy much stuff's up's always like the decisions times super arrogant but they think it's them and you're right when you have big failures that's like oh you're not it's not you. There's a a lot of other people involved and there's there's there's timing there's inspiration from God and there's people there's so many things that happen in say forget about that like Lord humbles you and so ever since against the second crash. I've tried to be super aware that constantly. I'm not perfect but very aware of like okay. Who are all the people that are in charge? What are the inspiration? From God's coming this guided me on these things and try and be very very where those because I'm just scared if I'm not aware again so anyway so what would be your big takeaway. Would you say that instead of calling it failure. Maybe we wear recycling or I think so and I think people becoming okay with that like one of the biggest problems with entrepreneurs I work with. They're so scared of the potential of crashing that they don't they risk. Try things and I was home. I if you look at the founding fathers they gave us. This blessing is a gift from God. The bankruptcy laws my worst case scenario Hugo bankrupt. Like it's not it's not the end of the world right like it's it's a gift that we can reset and start over and that's what gives entrepreneurs of people the ability to risk and try things knowing that like worst case scenario there's a reset you can start over and so I was hoping it's not a it's okay to be two or anything is okay to fail to be prepared for it and just when I first started this journey I was listening to I'm Brian Tracy. He was doing interviews. Listen to and he said that one night he was watching. TV and there was this panel like millionaires. And it's like seventeen million on this panel and they're interviewing all of them and and one the host ask was like well. How many times did you guys each fail before? You're successful. And they didn't know the answers they'd cut commercial while counter then came back and he said like I think of the people up there the average they'd feel like on average fourteen times before they had. There's a success than Brian. Tracy said you think it's that they just got. They failed and it failed and eventually got lucky and they did it or do you think it's they failed that it didn't work and then they failed and got better and they got better ventures like they couldn't not be successful. I think it's the other way. Look like the failures. Okay because it's like protecting you from that thing again and he gets you closer and closer a to to To where you're out like I know that launched our company Click funnels. Ten years ago I would have bankrupted it four or five times by now right but all these things I learned going on this journey. Now it's it's like I'm hyper aware of like okay. There's a gap here. There's way can fail here. There's things that are happening and I'm able to protect myself because of that because of the failures failures are preparing you for whatever your bigger commissioner someday pitfalls I love that I love that so so my question is free personally like after the second crash where it was you were so close to the bottom. Why not not just get a regular job somewhere working for someone like what gave you the idea and the courage to start from just to do it over again? Actually remember Vividly remember laying in bed day thinking. I wished that I had a boss that he could fire me because it was like I want to like I would have loved to step away from that for me. The circumstances of the whole crash I wasn't able to. I had a bookkeeper who didn't pay. I didn't notice the time hadn't paid payroll taxes over a year and then we sold a whole bunch of coaching. We had a bunch of students. Who would who bought stuff that we have out saying liabilities to and so I woke up every morning for a two year period? Time knowing that if I don't pay the IRS back in time at payroll taxes not like they give you finally payroll taxes. They lock you up and go to jail so it was like if I don't pay the IRS. If I go to jail which is like really scary thing to think through right and I had I had sold sold stuff people I had a faquir fulfilling on it. And if I didn't fulfill on I would it would have destroyed my name and my reputation lost that forever to which is like to go to jail or lose nervous or both and I was like I can't quit you if I wanted to give it. Those are the two things are really the driving forces that kept me in it but then it's like I don't know and I just quit me me could have just said take me to jail reputation. I'M GONNA get a nine to five this too much stress. Yeah I guess you could have but I don't know there's something. I grew up as a wrestler and all all the good stuff in wrestling back of defeat. Like my junior high school is going to be. I thought it'd be state champ my very first match so I lost it lost. The Person Washed to my Dad Phil No match and watch a thousand times over and then in state finals actually restless guiding being in the finals and then I looked at like all all my big successes like American also they all came on the back of lake a bunch of failures. It was like okay. Here's in the states. Here's the problems is focused on that night. What are the tweaks and the changes? We gotta make to come back and do better next time. And he's more alike as painful as it was and how much I wanted to give up. It was more like okay. What's the what are the CIA? We saw work before. Like I've seen it before it. Seen Your company with hundred people generates a lot of revenue and helps a lot of people's lives able to see the fruits of it and I love that part of it and I think part of missed that part. I can't figure out how to get back to their. We're there once we've got to figure out the model and how to change weekend. Luckily for US eventually figured it out again. So do you credit wrestling with resilience. That just kept you in there and in the game and going and working hard hundred hundred percent. Yeah I think most athletes that I know do other things in life business. Not all of them. Some of them are done a lot of friends who are like train wrecks but for me one one hundred percent like it rustling in sports together. Teach you so much stuff right because most people in their life. They don't do sports like they don't ever fail. They are thinking with their studying. Their learning tasks asked to get his grade and those kind of things. They don't have a chance to fail where most sports especially for me. Because typical wrestling season thirty to forty matches is an off season. You got another one hundred matches a year so most of them win one hundred matches year you lose tons of those right and me. was that way. I lost so many times and I think losing such a good thing because you learn either you give up and you walk away and you throw hands or you're like okay. I'm going to be for me. It's like because especially when you see the person you know who they are in your next week. They're gonNA same tournament. Beat the sky next week makes you so frustrates tracy watched the match. figure out what they're doing practice so we can see Mcginn you try again the beginning you come back and you keep doing it until the end so it helps a lot. I'm certain understand your grandparents so I talk a lot on my blog and my podcast about finding your life's purpose. So what do you think is your life's purpose in doesn't include include making a whole bunch of millionaires. I love making millions office. Now we have a couple words cordray so we have like this. Hallway was the bathroom hallway and everyone makes a million dollars. Cyclones gets a big plaque and now the both sides the hallway foresee learfield now. The kitchen is completely failed L. to and we've got maybe thirty to forty days before like we have no more room in our office to hang up these plex ruins so no but for me to be honest. I didn't know for a long time. My mission was at all like I just. I was excited by this business. Sales and marketing got me excited. I always feel kinda shallow like what's the point of all this I don't know but I was learning it and side is doing it and honestly honestly wasn't probably to about a year ago. I think really started getting clarity on. What my vision was? I had a really good coach. Terry Williams I was working with at the time. And she's asking. Did you see the parallels like what you're doing I just try and make money and she's like do you need more money. I'm like no she's like why did he do in. This is like telling stories that people might okay like around a couple of quick stories that are fun like one is growing anti grace that works with us who she beat Alcohol Addiction. She can do through twelve step programs if you're an own way to drain books about it and years came to our program and she's like I want to change the world and she knows how to do it as well. I don't know how to help people alcohol addiction but your message out to bunch of people so we gave some tools and some training and she's helped in the last twelve months were fifty thousand. Women are not moving people. To overcome alcohol addiction got him KRISPIES CANCER DOT com. Who got the death sentence? Twenty seven twenty eight year old that he had cancer and decided sided not chemotherapy and thought you know myself. I don't know who started going trying to keep yourself and venue cures themselves naturally and decided I need this message out to people and so we've been given tools and systems seems to get that out and he's helped tens of thousands of people naturally curious of Cancer Pamela. waibel helps doctor's commit suicide. She said thousands of doctors from from suicide through our tools and our training. And like I saw all these people who have who have gifts. I don't have like I can't I can't help doctrine document suicidal councilman lose weight. I can't like I don't know those things but I have because of what I've done I've learned learned. How do they get someone? Whatever their business product of ships out to get some more people and so for me like I really think that's my mission? I was like how do I empower entrepreneurs actually change the world. And so ever since then. I I kind of got that like I become hyper obsessed with entrepreneurs and how can I help them. How can I give them the tools inspiration or whatever it is? Because I'm a huge believer that entrepreneurs only people that can actually change the world. I don't think politicians are GONNA do the government's going to do it like I see entrepreneurs who are snake obsessively compassionate about their their thing. They figured out that changes the world and so for me. It's just like if I can if I can empower each of them then then that's my mission to help them build change their world so that's kind of thoughts and I love it so so much and I love watching you work. So I've seen you speak at some live events and I know you get up there and you commander room with thousands of people in it but I asked him to you personally a. and socially I know you has really shy and reserved. I know you have other guy but I knew you'd rather hang out in the corner and observe observe. Then be out like working the room which was which is what people would think if they see you at these live events so which of these personalities comes more naturally to to you. I'm one hundred hundred Awkward Weird Kid. No it's funny because like two months ago spoken event had nine thousand people in the room and I was on stage and I loved every second of so much fun and then after that is in the hallway and someone came to talk to ask me a question and guys Dave Woodward. He told me he's like you. See your body language like you're onstage and your body's just like excited it's like scared to death and like and I think for sure that's definitely like more nationally lamb like my whole life. I was awkward nervous grown up. I didn't have a ton of friends. The one thing I had grown up was wrestling like that was things. I was friends with wrestlers but like starting my twenty year high school reunion this year and they're looking listed firms. Come in. I know anyone who's is coming like nonetheless our show and I don't even know anybody I didn't know anybody. I wasn't friends with anyone and went on a mission for our church and I was awkward number seven fact I respect with my mission president. Recently he told me he came to our last event he was like I had never in a million years would have pegged you to be one on stage that I'm like. Oh but it was funny. Because because I remember consciously when I made that decision to try to figure that out I've been selling things online behind the computer and I was comfortable there and I liked it. I went to my very first Internet Marketing Seminar and it was Atlanta Georgia. WHO's this guy named arm and more put it on and I remember? I wanted to go because I didn't know anybody else who's doing I was doing. I felt lonely and entrepreneurship. I think a lot of times lonely because you share you share. It is the people in Beijing. Look at you. Oh wow good luck with that. You know what I mean their eyes glaze over. So I'd have to talk about this whole thing and so I knew that there was this event entrepreneurs and comes up. I'm GONNA come in just a few people success and went there and I remember I don't know how events ran back then and back then the way that they were calm pitch where every speaker comes and they sell something. I didn't know that's what it was become. The first speaker gets on stage and he talked for like ninety minutes and then sell something. I was so confused. What these selling or something? I could understand what's happening by side in two thousand. The people jumping up into the back of the room. And we're looking back doing the math in two thousand four six eight ten of my hand me the eighty thousand dollars in an hour and I and then the next speaker he gets up and he was telling me five thousand or package and he sold it and the people running back as in the math one hundred and fifty thousand watches for three days speaker after speaker by the NFL. I have to learn how to do that. That like if someone could stand on a stage in our make more money I made an entire year or some people in entire lifetime like I have to learn that that art and how that works and it's funny because I didn't come naturally I someone the vitamins speaking in the seminar so I went the first time. And it's embarrassing. I had a shaved head back then and glasses and I was where suiting hikes thought. That's how businessperson and I went and I stood on stage and I was super nervous and awkward. I tried to sell something nobody bought and I was like I will never do this again and I did it for a long time but then I kept seeing this happening at other events. I've see stuff and I was. This is spending the next and almost ten years of my life. Doing that. About two and a half years I was. I was flying around the country speaking at events trying to learn the art of Trendy. Are you comfortable doing it. So scary and then two years in this. After we had the twins were born. I remember I was at the Boise Airport. That eleven thirty at night his own when the airport I was just miserable in like flying somewhere else to go speak as wanted to be home. I remember texting and I was like. Hey I'm retiring md.. That's how we make money. I know but I'll figure out some other way I'm done so we basically quit speaking and I went and how to replicate this on the Internet and so we started to Intel seminars back then and then webinars became how he kind of did stuff but I you know my comfort numbers on to learn it and became comfortable with it now teach thousands of entrepreneurs how to how to do that how to either do on a Webinar or on Intel Seminar on stage. And I think that having your own platform is the the best is the best way to get your message out there and actually change people's lives. It's hard to do it if you're going to be awkward introverted person and so for me I had to come out of that to be able to actually have the impact I really wanted. But there's still shot guy decide that in my in my last ward last church. Nobody knew what I did. No one ever asks it was kind of Nice and so it was fine and this award lakes someone found out they told people now. Now if you ask me questions so like I'm dying to know because it doesn't come naturally to you. I know that because I know you but is there something that you like. Do you have to like mentally prepare. Some how do you say something to yourself or like. How do you just prep yourself to go? So so far out of your conference play the rocky soundtrack. It's funny because I still super nervous every time people always say how do you get nervous you. Oh you do this all the time I might. I don't know but I am same way wrestling even and I was rushing. Someone who wasn't good. I would still get butter insane. Butterflies nervous and like all. That stuff is since. I've stepped on the man shake their hand hand. I instantly disappear in your zone and for me. It's the same way like I get so nervous and the biggest thing I've found is funny when my one of my friends employs. He's caught me the other day he always before I go find somewhere to go. Pray in bass pro like I'll be able to have thoughts my head to bill actually inspire people to do what they need to do. And that's like the biggest company muses print understanding this not me like I think a lot to be nervous this like this is a UH since they replaced on trial of like me not going to like me that freaks out and I I think of last year's I come and realization that I my job is not care if people like me. It's like can actually have the impact and change this person and so that's that's become more important to me so I was prayed for that and that gives me the helps calm my nerves but then it's just it's still scary. Get out there. And it's like even the smaller ones small rates so nervous in it and they introduce may come out and see everybody. That's like goes away. Excuse if you serve I can help and it's just so much so much fun so cool. Hey this Russell again and really quick wanted. Thank you so much for listening to the marketing secrets. podcasts hoping episode. 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181: REWIND: How To Start Charging For Your Expertise And Stop Doing Things For Free W/Sakita Holley

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181: REWIND: How To Start Charging For Your Expertise And Stop Doing Things For Free W/Sakita Holley

"You're listening to side hustle pro the podcast that teaches you build and grow your side. Hustle from passion project took profitable business and I'm your host and he Kayla Matthews a coma salons get started. Today's episode is brought to you by Gusto Gusto offers modern easy payroll benefits and HR to small businesses across the country. They were even named best online nine payroll by PC MAC and as a side hustle pro listener. You will get three months free when you run your first payroll to sign up and give it a try at Gusto Esto dot com slash s HP. That's GUSTO DOT COM SLASH S H. Hey Hey guys. Welcome back to the show. Oh three in the guest chair. We have the amazing S- Akita Holly the founder and CEO of House of Success Pr. And you'll hear why I call her amazing using during the episode. If you haven't heard of Kita yet please turn up the volume. Get Rid of whatever distraction you have going on because you need to know this woman since two thousand eleven SA- Keita's firm House of success. Pr has worked with a wide array of clients that include African Pride. Can he curly yacky heat. Free Hair Harlem Arts Festival and more in addition to her. Pr Work She also hosts a popular business podcast called Hashtags and stilettos which is is designed to help millennial women win at work in business and everywhere in between Sakina has also been featured by essence magazine like enterprise excellent Nicole and more for her PR and business expertise and in two thousand Seventeen Sakina was named as one of PR weeks. Forty under forty honorees honorees. And she's a proud graduate of Howard University so Sakina as you'll hear the episode played a special role in the beginning of of this side hustle pro podcast and this whole journey and I can't wait for you to hear why but she's also someone who just inspires me to keep it moving and it's always driven home to me. That done is better than perfect. And this episode. We are going to be breaking down how to start charging for your expertise and stop doing things for free because we are off that were going into twenty nineteen and we are charging for our expertise. You are going to start making money from your side Hustle and we're GONNA get rid of that intimidation and fear that can sometimes come with setting our rates in charging folks you'll also learn house. Akilah started her when Pr Company Company and the financial struggles that she faced after. You'll hear how she herself learn how to set her rates and of course we get into went to be flexible flexible and the nuances that come with this whole process. So let's jump right into the conversation and start learning so welcome to the guest chair. Sakina thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited to talk to you today. Thank you I am very excited to have you here and I don't know Oh if you know this. I don't know if I ever told you but not only I've always loved your content being very inspired by your journey but then when I was getting ready to start also pro. I was going through a lot of doubts I was like. Oh my really going to do this and I remember listening to your episode. It might have been your first one call done then is better than perfect. Yes and how you started your podcast with just I phone air buds and I was like yes. What am I waiting for? Why am my making excuses like the microphone or whatever stopped me so thank you for that? You're part of the reason this is so pro exists. Well your ear listeners. Should thank you for creating this in forgetting over the doubt. But what's so crazy about the episode. It was literally just seven minutes minutes in. I had to get over my own. Doubt to even create that in so many people have told me that that was the catalyst for them to say you know what if she can into it. which is that? I can hear anything like seeing in. It's like look at where you are now so imagine. If you didn't start we wouldn't have this right which resource that we have now so thank you for starting thank you. It's crazy and yeah I'm just I'm having a wonderful time so but now let's turn to you so tell us in your own words who is Kita in. How did you get to where you are today? That's a great question Just the start with the business. I Yeah I guess I am. I am the founder and CEO of House of Success PR in. I am also host of the popular business. PODCAST called Hashtag Does on a personal level under somebody who is really obsessed with how businesses in people become brands. And I've built my business career In a career that allows me to participate in that process from the ground up and I got to where I am today by one just having a vision for my life in who I wanted to become. I'm in what's funny. Is that that starting to change a little bit but to buy believing in myself enough to do what it takes to make that vision a reality every day. So that's it takes. It takes resilient sacrifice discipline in a whole lot of determination in. Even though I'm here now in you know I'm somebody that you deemed worthy uh-huh of an interview. I do feel like I'm just getting started. And what do you mean by that. Starting to change elabore so you know as we get older older. I've I've always wanted to be in an entrepreneur. Always wanted to have my own business in that peace will never go away. But as I'm getting older I'm thinking about other things that I WANNA do Outside of PR or beyond PR in just thinking about my journey any in even the story that you shared in how I have been able to help people yet. I'm just by sharing the things that I've learned along the way so I am really taking all of that into consideration in asking God's order my steps because I feel like there's so much more for me beyond what I'm doing now so I'm you know just trying to listen to the voice So that I can get that New Vision and then I'll follow that you know wherever it leads me. Yes I can relate to that now speaking of the vision and the path what was your career path before going out on your own as an entrepreneur. Were you working pr yes. I was I've always worked. NPR If we go back before the career when it was just jobs. I started working when I was fourteen so I worked a lot of different jobs or work then. Donald is my first travel work than a beauty supply store which is funny because I do pr. Now I've worked as a waitress so I've done a lot when I got into my career. I was always always. NPR In What's interesting about that is when I was in college. My Major was actually pre mid and my minor was PR. We are because I really was going to be this. Obgyn I just. I just knew I was GONNA be out here delivering babies but my minor was PR. Because I I want to be the kind of doctor that got cold in. All the magazines was this expert in like help people in their pregnancy And I knew I was going to have my own practice. SORTA like if you watch Mary to medicine you Dr Jackie Dr Simone in how people turn to them for different things like that the original vision and But then I don't know if it was that organic chemistry class I took. I'm not sure but I was like you know let me just switch this to Pr full-time fulltime. In a change. My minor into entrepreneurship in the rest. I guess you could say is history vessel funny that you had not many people have the vision. You're always thinking about brand in thoughts their girl and it's so funny. You mentioned married to medicine because I just randomly got hooked on that show like six years into it. I'm starting from season one. It's their series like ready for at for any venture. It's crazy it's really interesting so okay back to S- Akita now. What inspires your pivot? What what was your initial experience like when you were working where you had agency NC where you you know internal to a specific brand and then what inspires your pivot? That's a great question because I was working NPR. I I was in corporate America doing global communications in. It was great for an after college job but I wasn't really satisfied because like I said up always had this burning desire to be an entrepreneur and I actually started. I'm doing air quotes houses. Pr As a student at Howard University to supplement my internship experience but of course I was working for free like no money at all I I was just out here. Like I'm the C. Oh of his business and you know people were high higher again air quotes hiring to do you know press kits and just different things like that. But even so I wasn't making money. I was gaining a lot of experience so by the time. Graduation rolled around I was a prime candidate for pretty much. Any entry level job even and I was like oh I need to be above entry. Level Ray okay. All this work out here know me but you know I just always had this burning desire to know what that other side felt like so while I was working my corporate job it was in the finance industry and I wasn't really interested in that. My internship experience had been across the board but more so focused on lifestyle Sabas. Like if I quit in in really see if I can and do something with house a success pr. I just need to see if I can make it work and if I fail I I knew that I could get another job in here. We are about to be eight era in January. Well so how old were you when you quit twenty three girl and and you had so you had like a year of real corporate experience experience under your bed it was. It was about almost two years that I was there in but again because when I was an Undergrad I did about seven internships in winning insane saying I was also waitressing from time to time Was a student athlete. I was doing the most and then I was the CEO of this. This business business But I was anybody that knew me. Then if you talked to anybody they will always say like. She was focused on so So even though I was starting very very young I had a good beginner level of experience and I was just extremely confident and passionate sinead about Pr. So I felt like okay. I can go out here my manager brand let me let me help you out a little bit So I was just like nick. Let me let me just do it. Yes so what. Were those early days like walk us through for four. You quit had you landed you know a few clients. What was it that you did to sustain yourself in those early days and making sure that you could pay rent pay rent? I just posted something on twitter. Like you know when those same bills are due again they back we gotta do this all over origin So the early days were really really tough so I was able to get a couple of event based clients while I still had my job and people once I had a PR blog at this time. which eventually became Hashtag science delivers where I was sharing my expertise in industry which helped me attracts Prospective clients but people weren't going to hire me for long-term work knowing that Mike I was committed to a nine to five job especially for a service based business like Pr. So I when I quit I had zero clients and I had about a month. Swerve of money saved up for my expenses expenses so I was like starting from anything lower than zero if that exists. That's where I was starting. I had about thirty days to to try and find clients. I was cold calling. I was able to get A couple clients but it wasn't enough to cover my bills so those early days were extremely rough in. I know a lot of people talk about. You should never quit a job before you have another opportunity to lineup. And that's really great advice Sometimes it just. It doesn't always work out like that and I feel like I've definitely done things the hard way and it worked out for me but you have to. It takes a really really really really really tough person just To be able to do it because when I will look back at all that I endured because there were times I think it was like four months straight. I could not pay my rent. I I live in New York City. Yeah so what were you doing where are you. Did you go to like McDonald's what was happening. Oh like it. Literally Digress. A Guy that I did not get addicted in during those four months I had to do I had to. I had to my bill collectors at everybody. I had a service with. They knew me by first and last name because I was calling win them in. This is the thing that happens with. People when they are in a bind they kind of hide. I know I'm proactive. Like I call them like. Hey so I know you want your money right and I wanNA give it to you however Dow have it right now. One of the things I do was move all of my Bill L. Due dates to the last day of the month. Okay this way I'm not incurring late fees. I'm not getting unnecessary. Hits to my credit score in gives me the full month amount to generate income so that I can pay I took my car to my grandmother's house. This way I wouldn't have to pay for parking I deferred you can actually actually defer car note. I deferred my car note so they took whatever I owed that month and put it to the end of my car note. I was deferring my student loans at the the time I'm happy to say I no longer have student loans or carnot guide us. Today is good but like you see how I was being strategic maneuvering and and with the money that I was generating. I paid the bills that had the utmost priority which you would think it would be rent but the rent too high in New York. Okay I had to keep myself on and I had to keep my Internet on so that I could actually run my business so those were the bills that I pay I in then everything else I had had to deal with when I could So during that time it was an extreme struggle in when I go to the bank to say get a money order or get a check Ford Fort pay a Bill I was. It was the worst experience ever because you know those old black and white movies where they dropped the net on people. I just always felt like they were about the drop. The net will me me like girl one. You know you don't money like in here. There's nothing accounts this ensue. Do I just felt like every time I left my apartment. They was going to drop the net or I was gonna come back and it was gonna be listen. The locks will be changed. Somebody else will be walking walking away with my dog. I was stressed like it was a really really really really tough time and I did go and apply for jobs on because I had waitress in college in high school I was like okay cool I can go and get a waitressing job in. I will work on this dream at night. You know L.. Do whatever it takes to make this happen like I put my pride and my ego to this I. I don't care what it whatever it takes so I went in New York so I'm like of course I can get waitressing job so I go straight to times square applying. No we don't have any roles we don't have any positions or you're like overqualified so then penzone. ESPN zone is is where I worked When I was in college and I love that restaurant so I was like if I can get this? ESPN zone job. At least I can generate cash like but but they kept turning me away kept turning me away in then a few weeks at incidence processing me trying to get a job it was announced that all of the ESPN zones except the one in California California. Were shutting down so I was like okay. Got Are you talking to me and I couldn't like I am extremely crowded like I can wait as some tables okay. So I'm out here like I can't get a waitress job in New York City in Times Square any other neighborhood and then I got the core is also apply Fours Zara like overnight stock person or something in a call bet but every time I would try and go and do something other than what my dream was happen then every time I would I would think okay. I'm definitely about the hit rock bottom something else. What happened where I would get a client or I will get you know a project To work on to generate some income and I just kind of took that as God saying you. You are where you're supposed to be. It's should be easy but you're on the path that you're supposed to be on and you just GonNa have to sits high a little bit longer so that that's kind of how the beginning was like there were times where and I've said this before so if somebody has heard the story bill though no but there were times when my dog had more food than me man I will I will be looking at her dish. Like you know will be real cry. It does not like chicken and it was so funny when at when I I remember telling Talking about my business in those early days what. My best friend's parents And they were like you know you could call us. You Ain't got girl you need to eat like. Please call somebody but again I wasn't this. It was my choice that I made so I didn't feel like I should burn and anybody else base my decision. Obviously that's not the right way to think but at the time that's how I thought so I just suffered in silence like went through it But yeah those early days were tough well but speaking of the early days days and money and income now as you know the theme of this episode is how to start charging for your expertise and stopped doing things for free and I I WANNA say during this process did you ever were. You ever attempted to work with a big client for less than what you're worth or even free not even tempted. I A have not for free because at this point I mean I can't But I've reduced my rate for sure in I've had I've Raff had instances where I would be again. I started my business. I was twenty three years old. Yes saw I walking into offices or I'm having conversations with people to three times my age telling them look. I got what you need like. I know what you need. I got you you know and and I would get my expertise would get me in those rooms in the upcoming in wait. Who sent this baby this child so there was a lot of doubt when the other side of the negotiating table? If you will so I had a lot of instances where there was pushback back or people were like wait. We don't WanNa pay this But there were times where strategically I said. Okay I'll accept the lower rate because I'm thinking about the long term. Yes worn the relationship but also I know that I could kill this account or I could kill this opportunity in when people see the work. They're going to see the results. They're not going to see the what what they pay me in. That is more valuable than the short term sacrifice very smart very smart so when I pull people to see who would be this perfect person to talk about getting paid what you're worth earth and figuring out how to went to charge what to charge people you know they all said Sakina sell it. Shout out to them. Yes so let's break some things down a little bit now starting out. How did you determine your base rates and you know what those were going to be where you basing them on your former salary or what you saw your employers charge yes So because I did a number of internships before agency internships before I got on Corporate America. I worked at a boutique agency a work in a mid size agency. Anna worked at a global agency so I had a working knowledge of what these businesses Mrs were either charging clients what they were charging for my work and what I learned was crazy with global agencies. They were as an intern. They were billing me out to clients minds and ninety dollars an hour. Now ask yourself. Was I making ninety dollars an hour. I mean that. Show it over your choke. Listen no where near nowhere near but again that was a global agency so there get imitators like thirty thousand most sixty thousand a month now. Obviously when I'm starting now those that was numbers in either hieroglyphics. It's not even realistic. So I just kind of took the working knowledge ahead and did some research just into market rates in. I started at the very low end of that scale In then I had a you know grow and build up from there because every client in opportunity that I got it adds to one adds to our skill set but it also adds to the value in as time went on you. You know. There's an opportunity to expand your rates Based on experience in the work. That you that you do and where you creating per package rates per opportunity or a retainer package in the beginning there were some project clients. I mentioned I had a few like event clients And things like that. But I always always always always. Because I had the experience in agencies in corporate always lean toward retainer fees and I say that because this allows allows you to really understand how much money you'll be bringing in for the year or let's say the next six months and it gives you a little bit of peace of mind but also when so you have a service business survey's business like pr or even something similar. It's really difficult to try in offer rates rates. That are our car or piecemeal because people will always go for the cheapest piece of the Pie. Yeah E. N. in then that work doesn't necessarily mean we know they're getting what they actually need. So I have a lot of people that still to this day will call and say hey we need a press release written and then we want you to pitch the press press release but then I'm like but you're product not good. Oh man we could go about that like you need. Do you need need the whole package. Because I take your money. I could write a press release. That was sound really good. I could pitch it in. Nothing happened. So then you're mad at me when because we didn't really walk you through the process of what you actually need so leaning toward the retainer Clients it allows me to find people who are willing to invest in themselves and in their business so that they can actually get the results that they're looking for and so it kind of helps you weed beat out bad clients exactly and I wouldn't necessarily call him bad clients. It's with especially with what I do right. I'm not making something that you can physically see in once it's made as a here is a Mug or here is a any anything physical disarray. I get paid to thank get paid to be strategic. I get paid to be ahead of the game in really help. People see things that they cannot see Along this path to accomplishing blushes near goals. That's a harder sell than a physical product So they're not bad clients. It's just about educating people due process in then there are people who have the best ideas who are there in a good place but they just don't have the funds in in the beginning getting at took on mother. Teresa help everybody because it's like I'm somebody that I am. You've listened to my pockets. I uh-huh want people to win. I want them to succeed. I believe in people. Hey I was taking on that business but it's a detriment to you or anybody. That's that's a freelancer or as trying to build a business because you are now playing the quantity game in not quality because you have to take on a lot of those little clients or or little accounts in order to even generate. What you get from one longer-term Client so I had to start selectively Getting more selective also passing on those opportunities to other publicists or people. I know just starting out or people who are looking specifically to help That kind of business owner and you touching are really important point. How did you deal with family or friends who they're like? Well no KITA does this. She's he's really good at this. Who hit you up for that friends and family special? You know the The the great thing is I Love I love my friends and I know a lot of people who have businesses insist so it really wasn't so much them hitting me up it was I can help but give them advice or help but try and steer them in the right direction but again I had to become a little bit more selective with my time and energy in that realm as well because I had to actually focus the business so it wasn't so much the problem of family and friends coming to me for their own things or family friend discount but what I had to learn that because family and friends ends no what you do. They may sometimes refer people who are not the right fit who had to educate them about the types of brands uh-huh or businesses that I was looking to represent in in some cases. I had to tell them. Please don't don't refer. Oh Oh you worry about those emails or people hit you about the blue. Oh such as such as doing that. You two should talk Melissa and you know what I'm actually guilty of that too. I'm really good. We're introducing people who feel I know. Oh like Oh Yuck y'all get together Jaka kill it okay. But I had to. Because it's I've been on the receiving end of it. I've now gotten into the practice of. Let me talk to both party. Warm intro rather than the cold intro Yup right and even even when I do an email kind of break it down like hey this person and does this and this is why I give detail a NBA. y'All should talk but still giving people an opportunity to say yes or no. Yeah and seeing where the synergies could be so nice to get off on a tangent but that thing grinds my ears. Because I'm like what does this person want something like. Just tell me what they wanna talk about like right. That's right that's it okay back to how do we know what to charge though. So what would you say to people who are unsure what to charge for a service. Do do some some research you know when I was starting out and it makes me sound like one hundred years old but within the last ten years people are now talking about money more which is wonderful. So there's a lot more resources available now just across industries where you can find people talking talking about you know you can find income reports people talking about what they charge of what they're making in. Then you know. The Bureau of Labor Statistics is a good resource. But you can also check in your industry trade publications They'll usually published like the indy year salary financial report for firms or businesses in your sector. I know Pr Week. Does that But then another another way. Where if you you can't find any resources list out your services that you offer that you want to offer in look job positions with those same services listed it take that salary divided by twelve? And then you'll get a base level idea of what you can charge for a retainer rate but then you have to factor into other things so oh do you have staff or overhead cost you have vendor fees. Do you have any software that is essential to how you do your business. Then you can kind of factor in those Other things in you can come up with a pretty decent rate. Eight is Kayla here with a quick word from our sponsor breath. If you have a business or you know someone who does you probably know by now that small business owners we wear a lot of pets and some of those hats are mad fun. I'M NOT GONNA lie. But some of them like filing Texas and running payroll. They're not. That sounds great. That's where gusto comes in Nesto makes payroll taxes if HR actually easy for a small businesses. It's fast with with simple payroll processing benefits and expert. HR support all in one place Gusto automatically as and files your federal state and and local taxes. 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Yeah you when your bills come the data gives you all the college teams me can win with that piece of paper when when they call you and they know your whole old name okay. That'll give you the confidence that you need but in reality would tell a lot of people is because as we are all in when I say we I'm thinking of black women in particular which I know is a heavy demographic? Free podcasts are black people black women then we are undervaluing ourselves. So when I'm having these conversations privately I normally tell people without even before where we even get into the context of where you are in your business which are doing at five hundred dollars or a thousand dollars. Cra just add it. That's what you charge now. At the beginning of the Combo in there like what how what which means which talking about like because just added just write it down. See what see what that number number looks like and I had somebody do that exercise in once we got into the conversation. She told me all that she was doing for the penny that she was charging. It was warranted and then she said she went. She had a meeting in with this new rate. That was a thousand dollars higher. She was like Oh my God they say yes no pushback no nothing. Yes and so now that became her new going rate in. It's like sometimes now if if you know let me talk to. I'm not talking to everybody. But you know how they say somebody I need to hear everybody's not that great yet. You know you can practice. Excellence before you become excellent. I'm you're on your way so don't you know. Be Out here charging ten thousand dollars when you should be charging fifteen hundred but in a lot of cases you can add. Add more to the number in then go from there in as you continue to do your research as you continue to talk to other people in in your industry in nets where confidence come from if you can tell yourself that you are worse than number because a lot of times we won't even write a higher number down to ourselves here. We won't be talking to myself sometimes. I'm like I won't even say certain numbers but you have to. We have to get in the practice practice of writing it down and seeing it for ourselves because we always see for other people. Oh yes I will give her her coin. Ah For that podcast and the work. She does give her all her money. But then when it comes to what we do is like I don't know yeah sure that's true Assu. It's like how beyond ahead to develop Sasha fierce as an alter ego early in her career when she was nervous about saying that she just needed to show off that a part of her brain. Right if you need to develop a business alter ego where you're just out here getting though you know getting your bag here do that absolutely I totally. Yeah that is me all the way like. I'm quick to tell someone they're excellent this what that's what they offered. No No. We're not doing that right but then when it comes to you you can have those second second thoughts so that is such a great point and then when people do push back when clients pushback. Is it better to lose that client Orna Go. She ate the the best advice. I always keep top of mind is beyond reasonable be flexible. Be Reasonable Ba- flexible because you can have your number and you can be worth every penny of that number however you will find yourself in certain rooms in if you're not willing to be flexible you can miss out WanNa Opportunity of a lifetime. That's worth way more than a number in that contract and when we talked about this earlier I told you I've taken lower rate right When I wanted to start the beauty division from firm in now that's primarily eerily the type of business that we do I had an opportunity to work with his heritage brand and kind of bring them back into the conversation and it was prior prior to getting that call. I interviewed in pitched for a larger brand a more visible brand had been in the market. Doing things they Own this other brand that had been completely dormant so didn't get that the first opportunity but got a call for the second now most people with bank the bigger brand Is the better opportunity. But no I knew that if I can bring this brand back to life Oh game over in I did did that and I took a lower rate but doing that work. Put the industry my industry and other people that I wanna work with on notice. They watched it named paid attention in that. Got Me other business now. I don't have the cold call. People call me. Okay love that and and do you approach. Even though you have your right now people call you. Do you still approach serving a smaller business. A heritage brand versus a larger corporation. Who you know might have have a greater brand visibility? I'm I'm much more selective because of where I'm trying to take my business again. One of the things that I mentioned earlier is you could play the quantity game in business where you can have. Let's say fifty clients as smaller rates. Were you you can have ten clients at bigger rates in our rather. Play the quality game in really try and build My business and my business reputation reputation on working with these larger companies. Like my business is small. Matt Company is small but the work that we've been able to do is on a global scale and and I WANNA keep pushing in that direction because we're one we're opening up opportunities for anybody else. That comes behind me in wants to do the same work because a lot the times in especially in a multicultural beauty space. You know that work did not go to people that look like us or that looked like the customer that they're trying to market to so oh by me being successful in space it lets them know that. Oh we don't have to go with the other agency who yet. Yeah they have the pedigree again they have an army of people. That likely won't work on that count anyway but we should go with people that intimately know our business that intimately know our customer the Marin we can be successful and then so we've talked a bit about the aspect of charging what you're worth I WANNA get back to S- Akitas journey and understanding. How did you go from those early days to now where you are? Would you say people come to you. you know it you just have to do the work What's interesting is that a lot of people in so funny when you said some you know when you asked assist question people are like oh Scheme because a lot of people know and respect the work that I do but I'm not very visible In net is because four in January eight years that I've had my business for much of that time I literally just had to have my head down in the work in now I'm starting to peak out a little. Like hey guys but it's just it's just been an interesting journey into get there. Is You do the work you get the result out in the you. Keep going and you're able to show that yes you're able. You're able to demonstrate that but then you can go after bigger and bigger fish once you have case studies studies once you have all this work behind you because now you don't have to defend yourself as much you have the you're proven so that's that's how you you build and then were you also did you bring on staff. What stage did you bring on staff? If you do have so initially for years I I had a lot of contractors so it depends on like okay. Well what does this client doing. What kind of work are we doing with the client? Now and then I would staff contractors accordingly accordingly and. We still definitely do that. But we're still a team of less than four people still. And how does that affect when you're pitching your brand. Does that ever come into play where you feel like if I will comes into play that always comes into play because with the type of account and businesses that that we're going after they're used to teams of twelve fifteen coming onto the pitch so when I come in it's like okay. Wait a second but then you have to be that good. You have to be that good to get into the room. And that's what I mean by creating opportunity but it always comes up in the conversation. Can you handle do this king. Your team handled this. And it's always. Yes and then. I point to what we've done for other multi-million dollar brands in you know having bring that experience and again if I did not take that rate reduction for the first multimillion brand would have gotten the second one Now that you have this team though argue renting office space or you like bringing it completely slowly scaling it from like S- Akitas apartment to do. Here's the House of Success Peo- Yes we do have an office and I'm so grateful because for a long time for for a long time I was in my apartment was interested in. That's another thing I wanna go. I WANNA go back to the last question. Intel people listening. Don't be ashamed if issue tissue kiss if you are one person business. Look at how far you've come there. There's a Forbes article that lists like ten one person million dollar businesses are seven-figure businesses. Find that they can do it. Yeah because there's a lot of shame in net. Oh you've been in business for this amount of time in egregious tissue. Yeah it's working exactly you know or it's two people or three people it's like. Don't be ashamed of what you are business growth process looking for Dan coming back. Because that's that's really important as a lad. Shame in general in a lot of shame if if you got a job in. You didn't didn't quit yet but she's trying to build this business. You're not a real entrepreneur there so I mean there's a million different conversations we have around the shame so I just wanted to go back and say don't be ashamed. It's just you enamel care. How many years it's just been if you're still generating money if you're growing if you're in a better place today than you were yesterday as autumn matters To answer your question yes we are out of. My apartment is good. We've had office space for a little over a year now and it's been the best blessing Really just for my peace of mind mental health separating you know having a dedicated home space in a dedicated office space is the so important But that's another thing if you can't afford office space yet don't be ashamed of that either. Rate is fine because fire Wayne. It's it's so K.. You know a lot of people focused on the trappings of what success is supposed to look like. You Actually WanNa be success. Hello Hell Eh kid. Oh my God yes. People focus on what success is supposed to look like in the trappings of an. And what you're supposed to have. You WanNa actually be successful you WANNA and a half a little bit of money in your bank you WanNa have a little bit of cushion And there were times earlier where I could have gotten an office but I wasn't sure I be able to keep it. Yeah I I just have to stop you there because you know your touch you're hitting on Seoul many important points. I I know what you mean about that. Shame you know. I think last year at some point there was a mean going around around. About what kind of business do you have. And it was like quadrants. Are you doing everything yourself or have team this stuff. And there's all this shape shea around. Oh my gosh you a terrible business model if you are doing XYZ yourself. And I was just close the Internet for the day. Close it now. Yes Nancy. y'All because everyone has to start somewhere and you're right. They're million dollar businesses like every business is not the same and also that one in the trappings of success stuff. That will get you into debt. Because you know what's better than hiring a team have profit okay hello It haven't having the money to hire people as you need exactly period so in in that's it's just issue's important point. s what I want people to Kinda take away from the justice conversation. We're talking about money we're talking about what's a charge but the bigger conversation is wherever you are. It's okay Kennedy where you are absolutely and the final note before we head into the lightning round. I JUST WANNA know. How did you ensure your business? This would be profitable after you moved out of the apartment. Now that you're responsible for people salary what are you doing to kind of manage that balance of contracts issues all about again Being selective and strategic about the types of clients and business that you take on If you try to take on businesses that aren't fit just because you need the money or want the money you will always end up paying more. Maybe not in monetary monetary sense but in time and energy and aggravation than you would. If you just focus on the right type of business yes in terms of retainer but also in the client that actually believes in you will allow you to do your best work. Oh yes and on that. Yeah no let's jump into this lightning round. You know they'll deal just answer. The first thing that comes to mind. Are you ready. Okay number one. What is a resource that what has helped you in your business that you can share with a side hustle pro audience definitely G. Suite for Google I've been using it since twenty eleven when it was Google APPs for business. But let's just g mail calendar drive everything But the plug in that I use for my email that literally is God. Simmons called Boomerang and it gives you thirty seconds to unseat an email if you forgot things like an attachment or if you like let me just take one more look at it also allows you to schedule messages. And if you're like me you you kind of do a lot of work at night. You don't send messages at four. AM schedule them. So go out in the morning and the last thing that it does that I love is that it gives you read receipts which regular g mail does not This way it helps you be strategic on when you're following up with people yes all right number two. What's been the best business his book or a live event or podcast episode? That you've consumed this year A book that have revisited is the personal touch by Terry. Williams is rare that at our reread a book but hers is one that I wanted to pick up again. Terry is an icon of black women in appear world. She has represented Eddie Murphy. Miles Davis abyss so many people and she recently retired but her words in that book which came out in the nineties. Still Ring True. And it's really all about businesses personal no matter what anybody says businesses personal You need to treat it as such you need to treat your relationships in your interactions With people as if these are your friends friends and family love that I need to pick that up again. Actually so thank you for that number. Three who is a black woman entrepreneur. Who you would want trade places with four a day and why Can I name to yes. You can't okay so the first one I would say is a woman named. DSM'S DEA is way more under the radar that she should be but she's the president of combs enterprises so she runs all of these business ventures. She's been working with him for years in started as his assistant but she you know when you see him out here being successful he has women behind him that are making it happen. Been In. She's one of them so I would just need to see what that's like In the other one I would say Mona Scott Young because she's fascinating a lot of people don't really like her for many many reasons but she's somebody who worked in the entertainment. A music industry was able to get out as the industry three evolved and be successful in whole entirely new lane issues building in empire she is. She's creating wealth for tons of other people in the process. She showed his so. I just WanNa peek into her. Were stater now. That's that's a different world. I just want pizza. It just see what is like yes. Okay number four. What is a personal habit? That has helped Kita be significantly successful in her business I would say the personal habit is being committed to your personal development. If you become a better person your business will become. I'm better you will be more successful in just going back to what I said about business being personal working on myself and working on my soft skills in dealing with people and being able to regardless of the situation whether it's a disagreement whether we're at the negotiating table when I'm not getting what I want being able to take a step back gain perspective of the situation and make better decisions so my personal habit is constantly being reflective and self aware and saying. Okay what do I need to work on. What do I need to do to make things? Go better love that and finally. What is your parting advice for? Fellow women entrepreneurs who want to be their own boss but are worried about losing that steady paycheck. If you don't have to do things the hard way like I don't like you know I I've talked talked a little bit about my story but it was like we can joke about it now. It's funny now. Funniest hell now but it was not funny so you have to do things the hard way. Don't if you have a job in you have a business idea that allows you to kind of work on it in At night or whenever it on the weekends keep your job keep generating an income and so you built a cushion That will sustain you as you embark when that endeavor ever and it just goes back to what I was saying before. Don't let people shame you into doing something doesn't work for you. Yes and so finally before we go S- Akita a key to. What is the best way for people to connect with you? After this episode. They can find me on instagram or twitter at mystic sess. That's M. I. S. S. Success US and I look forward to hearing people thoughts all right guys and there you have it. Hey Hey thanks for listening semaine now stay connected in between episodes by Texting side-hustle pro to four four two two two. You'll get my weekly six bullets. 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GSMC Music Podcast Episode 137: Together, At Home

GSMC Music Podcast

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GSMC Music Podcast Episode 137: Together, At Home

"I want to know the latest and hottest music hitting the airwaves. Don't be left out. Listened to the Golden State media concepts music. Podcast issue on the loop with everything you need to know if top Florida and we'll throw in means of your favorite artists concert tour and so much more. Listen you're further because this is the gold standard in music cats. Thank you for listening to the G. S. M. C. Music podcast brought to you by the GMC podcast network. I'm your host Lee Brown. The Music Lover Constantly seeking me now. If you like with here be sure to subscribe to our show on your podcast platform and read a review. Those reviews do help the show. Now let's get into some music news this time. It's real last week reported that Donald Glover FDA formerly known as Childish Gambino released New Music to stream that only some people hurt before it was taken down by some. I mean not me now. The release is official and available on all music platforms. It's three fifteen twenty. So he actually is going by childish. Gambino and the album is three fifteen twenty three period fifteen period twenty now with the exception of previously released single Algal Algorithm Algorithm and time. His latest collaboration with Arana area on a Guerande The rest of Three fifteen twenty twelve tracks aren't named but mark with a time stamp instead. Now DONALD GLOVER PRESENTS DOT com no longer host the four panel cartoon. Strip that served as a project artwork in cover which I did not see either when I clicked on that link last week it does have linked to listen through the album along with a photo of handwritten text in notebook. The pages read as follows. I met with an Oracle on a friend's recommendation. She cleanse to me and told me three things someone would die. I had a star on my head. Stay close to God then. Someone died and my vision cleared but I could not touch them. I felt on my own which had before always been enough. I met with the Oracle again in a different form. She asked me. How long do you think people wait as long as they need to? They're not going to wait forever at the dining room table after lunch. My oldest asked. What are you looking for? As I stared at the mountain made of someone else. I told my brother dream where I asked Prince to see my father. Prince said he was fine. I told my brother the dream were all the people screamed and Claude at each other in the street and I knew of secret injury into a safe haven but could not remember where or why it was. I told my love the dream where my father held our unborn son hiding. Underground is I prepared for a fight. I knew I would lose. And how I woke up sobbing and how I felt deep shame and wanted to join where I imagined he was so yeah. That sounds pretty honestly. I don't understand it Not Quite sure how that office into place with the album Maybe you should go to Donald. Glover Dot Donald LOVER PRESENTS DOT COM and Kind of follow along with the notes as you listen to the album. And I'll talk more about that album in segment two but Taylor swift fans are uniting against Kanye West over New Leagues Video Clips of the Twenty sixteen phone call between the pop superstar and the rapper about his controversial controversal song. Famous on Saturday twitter lit up with the HASHTAG. Kanye West is over party after the new videos of conversation as reported by the New York Post seemingly proved that swift wasn't lying about giving West permission to use the lyric. I made that bitch. Famous in his song to refresh swift and West have been at odds for more than a decade. The feud started with West interrupting her acceptance speech at the two thousand nine MTV video music awards and it reached a fever. Pitch in two thousand sixteen. After the rapper dropped his music video for famous which features a naked wax figure depicting swift lying next next to west in bed in the song. He says I made that bitch. Famous witch fans of Ye would recite more in a dislike manner than a fund. Joking manner now in the phone call. He doesn't mention that line at all. In fact in the clip I saw she asked if the line is mean and he says No. I don't think it's mean. He kept trying to give premise before. Actually saying the actual line that he did recite then finally here recites to all myself side in word that know me best. I feel like Taylor swift my only sex so Taylor chuckles and says that's not mean but then goes on to say that she will think about tweeting the song out to her fans now. I only saw clips But not one of the clips I saw. Did he mention calling her a bitch and saying I made that bitch famous so her fans are upset. Some tweets say Taylor's with disappeared for two years because she thought the world hated her because Kanye West and Kim Kardashian painted her as a liar. Another tweeted four years on and the truth is out. She was honest all along. Another says Twitter Supreme Court finds the accused Konya Amari West guilty beyond reasonable doubt of not mentioning the specific line. I made that bitch. Famous a Taylor swift manipulation perjury gas. Lighting Framing T. S. Hashtag Taylor swift was right. So here's what Taylor. Haas's say she says On an idea story instead of answering those who are asking how I feel about the video footage leaked proving that I was telling the truth the whole time about that call. You know the one that was illegally recorded that somebody edited and manipulated in order to frame me and put me my family and fans through hell for four years. Swipe up to see what really matters. And she concluded linking to feeding America and World Health Organization donation page which are providing help to those affected the corona virus so on a positive no however twenty twenty. Kanu was not the Twenty Sixteen Connie from the recording twenty twenty conde has made donations to different charities in Chicago and Los Angeles amid the corona virus pandemic according to access Hollywood Konya. Donate it to we. Women empowered in his hometown empowering women after he took power after. Taylor are from Taylor swift interesting but also I guess you know it's women's month So that will enable charity to expand their services providing delivery to the elderly on Chicago's South Side. Where he says. Today I got our today. Won't I got a call that Kanye West wanted to help the elderly in Chicago? And he chose his home town in the south side. His old neighborhood. I was beyond words said Josephine Wade. Who Runs we women empowered in one phone call in an instance today? Our world was changed singer. Kenny Rogers died Friday night. According to a statement from representative Keith Hagen. He was eighty one. The statement said that Rogers died peacefully at home from natural causes under the care of hospice and surrounded by his family. The family is planning a small private service at this time out of concern for the National Kobe. Nineteen emergency. They look forward to celebrating. Kenny's life publicly with friends and fans at a later date are a frozen to still have not seen frozen one. I'll probably never watch any of them. Or maybe I will because I have so much time on my hands. Now but the frozen to sell track returns to the top ten on billboard two hundred chart for the first time in two months thanks to the film's early arrival to digital retail and rental services as well as the Disney plus streaming platform on March fourteenth mallows everts eternal take secures a second week at number one on billboard two hundred albums charts and last week. I talked about Cardi B. Cardi B. Cardi B. And the Corona Virus Remix that was going viral now she joked about releasing it as an actual song well in Haram produced by DJ. I Mar keys is aiming for a debut on the number of charts next week including the all John Laura Digital Song. Sales tally in rb hip hop digital song sales now according to initial sales reports to Nielsen Music in MRC data. The song has already sold more than three thousand downloads. In the U S on March Nineteenth Cardi B. who has helped promote DJ Marquees remakes to her social channels said she wants to donate proceeds from the sales and streams other remix to charity and Dj Marquees agreed tweeting Cardi. That was his original goal. Now Broadway legend Andrew Lloyd Webber pulled up to his piano during self isolation on Thursday to perform a version of all ask of you from his Phantom of the opera after asking his fans. His suggest attuned for him to play for them. I don't think I ever get such a response to this. Are Who says? I didn't think I'd ever get such response to this little tryout here I am in my own self isolation He wrote in a clip in which his dog interrupts him and he jokes. It's all right. It doesn't come from cats. The delightful instrumental which Weber revealed was in the wrong key because of his arthritic fingers can't play it. Otherwise wasn't the only gift Lloyd Webber shared the May STRO- or Maestro. The Maestro who turns seventy one on Sunday. Got An early birthday Greenie on Thursday from Hamilton's Lin Manuel Miranda who wrote it's almost your birthday and you give us gifts prompting Andrew Lloyd Webber to say thank you and Challenge Randy to a playoff well challenge accepted late Thursday night. Random took to his living room piano accented by a White Phantom mask to perform. Everything's alright from Jesus Christ superstar with a note asking fans his support. Broadway cares during this time when all of Broadway is shutdown due to the Kobe nineteen now Miranda and his performance with a challenge to Weber to seeing. You'll be back from Hamilton. Dj De Nice is doing his part to keep social sisters entertained during the corona virus. Pandemic on Saturday the Bronx Native. Whose row name is Derek. Cajones hosted an epic Virtual Dance Party on Instagram. That drew more than one hundred thousand viewers including celebrities like Michelle Obama Missy Elliott Gabrielle Union Joe Biden and Jada Pinkett Smith in many more Joe Pied. I never would have imagined that the best party I would create in. Dj would be from the comfort of my own home denies wrote on Instagram on Instagram. Following Saturday's crash tab club quarantine event where he reportedly spawned a hip hop in army jams for about ten hours. The amount of artists and friends that virtually partied with me far exceeded my expectations. I'm feeling nothing but gratitude. Thanks to all of you that support it. He added giving shutouts to Drake Jennifer Lopez diddy Jake Hallett. Ti Kelly Rowland marriage a blast usher ludicrous and dozens more now. Unfortunately as a colonel virus outbreak has spread a number of musicians haven't been immune to it So from Idris Elba to Andrew Watt. Here are the musicians who have tested positive for Corona Virus Brandon Hoover. The guitarist from crown the Empire Ocean Grove has announced that one of the Australian Band members has tested Positive Charlotte Lawrence. Who Song Jokes on. You appears on the birds of prey soundtrack. In Bon Jovi Keyboard is David Brian. How artists are playing sets from their homes. Tim Burgess is testing out a new idea. Twitter listening parties the Charlton singer round up some of his friends to each pick an album to listen to dissect with fans. He's starting on Monday with some friendly Friends offender Fernan ed will play their iconic self titled Album on Tuesday Blurs. Parklife is Wednesday's pick with tweets. By David rountree Thursday will be rides going blank again an Oasis Liam Gallagher and Paul Arthur cap off the week with a dis- dissection of definitely. Maybe each listening party is set to begin at ten PM they're assuming it's GMT time and by they I mean spin dot com though it's not explicitly explicitly stated so we'll take a break and return with new music and festival news. Thank you for listening to the G. S. M. C. Music podcast brought to you by the GMC podcast network. I'm your host key legal brown. The Music Lover Constantly seeking positive music. Now if you like what you hear. Show subscribe to our show on your preferred podcast platform and read a review. Those reviews do help the show. Now let's get into some music news this time. It's real last week. I reported that Donald Glover. Fda formerly known as Childish Gambino released New Music to stream that only some people heard before it was taken down and buy some. I mean not me now. The release is official and available on all music platforms. It's three fifteen twenty. So he actually is going by childish. Gambino and the album is three fifteen twenty three period fifteen period twenty now with the exception of previously released single Algal Algorithm Algorithm and time. His latest collaboration with Iran. Area `Grande The rest of three fifteen twenties. Twelve tracks aren't maimed but marked with a time stamp instead now Donald Glover presents dot com no longer host the four panel cartoon Strip that served as projects artwork in cover which I did not see either when I clicked on the link last week. It does have a link to listen through the album along with a photo of handwritten text in a notebook. The pages read as follows. I met with an Oracle on a friend's recommendation. She cleansed me and told me three things someone would die. I had a star on my head. Stay close to God then. Someone died and my vision cleared but I could not touch them. I felt on my own which had before always been enough. I met with the Oracle again in a different form. She asked me. How long do you think people wait as long as they need to? They're not going to wait forever at the dining room table after lunch. My oldest asked. What are you looking for? As I stared at the mountain made of someone else. I told my brother dream were asked prints to see my father in. Prince said he was fine. I told my brother dream where all the people screamed and Claude at each other in the street and I knew of secret injury into a safe haven but could not remember where or why was I told my love the dream where my father held our unborn son hiding under ground is prepared for a fight. I knew I would lose. And how I woke sobbing and how I felt deep shame and wanted to join where I imagined he was so yeah. That sounds pretty deep. Honestly I don't understand it Not Quite sure how that office into place with the album Yeah maybe you should go to Donald Glover doggone. Donald LOVER PRESENTS DOT COM and Kinda follow along with the notes as you listen to album it. I'll talk more about that album in segment two but Taylor swift fans are uniting against Connie West over new leaked video clips of the twenty sixth phone call between the pop superstar and the rapper about his controversial so controversial song. Famous on Saturday twitter lit up with the HASHTAG. Connie West is over party after the new video of the conversation as reported by the New York Post seemingly proved that swift wasn't lying about giving West permission to use the lyric. I made that bitch. Famous in his song to refresh swift and West have been at odds for more than a decade. The feud started with West interrupting her acceptance speech at the two thousand nine MTV video music awards and it reached a fever. Pitch in two thousand sixteen. After the rapper dropped his music video for famous which features a naked wax figure depicting swift lying next next to west in bed in the song who says I made that bitch famous which fans of Ye would recite more in a dislike manner than a fund. Joking manner now in the phone call. He doesn't mention that line at all. In fact in the clip I saw she asked if the line is mean and he says No. I don't think it's mean. He kept trying to give premise before. Actually saying the actual line that he did recite then finally here recites to all my south side in word that know me best i Taylor swift my only sex so Taylor chuckles and says that's not mean but then goes on to say that she will think about tweeting the song out to her fans now. I only saw clips But not one of the clips that I saw. Did he mention calling her a bitch and saying I made that bitch payments so her fans are upset some tweets say Taylor swift disappeared for two years because she thought the world hated her because Kanye West and Kim Kardashian painted her as a liar. Another tweeted four years on and the truth is out. She was honest all along. Another says Twitter Supreme Court finds the accused Konya Amari West guilty beyond reasonable doubt of not mentioning the specific line. I made that bitch. Famous Taylor swift manipulation perjury gas lighting framing T. S. HASHTAG. Taylor swift was right. So here's what Taylor. Haas's say she says On an a story instead of answering those who were asking how I feel about the video footage leaked proving that I was telling the truth. The whole time about that call. You know the one that was illegally record it that somebody edited and manipulated in order to frame me and put me my family and fans through hell for four years. Swipe up to see what really matters. And she concluded linking to feeding America and World Health Organization donation page which are providing help those affected by the Corona Virus. So on positive. No however twenty twenty. Connie was not the twenty sixteen Connie from the recording. What Twenty Twenty. Conde has made donations to two different charities in Chicago and Los Angeles amid the corona virus pandemic according to access Hollywood Carney donated to we women empowered in his hometown empowering women after he took power after Taylor from Taylor swift interesting but also I guess you know it's Women's month So that will enable the charity to expand their services of providing delivery to the elderly on. Chicago's south side. Where he says. Today I got are today when I got a call that I wanted to help the elderly in Chicago and he chose his hometown in the south side. His old neighborhood. I was beyond words said Josephine Wade. Who Runs we women empowered and in one phone call in an instance today? Our world was changed singer. Kenny Rogers died Friday night. According to a statement from representative Keith hanging. He was eighty one. The statements that Rogers died peacefully at home from natural causes under the care of hospice and surrounded by his family. The family is planning a small private service at this time Out of concern for the National Kobe. Nineteen emergency team. They look forward to celebrating. Kenny's live publicly with friends and fans at a later date irate frozen to I still have not seen frozen one probably never watch any of them or maybe I will because I have so much time on my hands but the frozen to Soundtrack returns to the top ten on billboard two hundred chart for the first time in two months thanks to the film early arrival to digital retail in rental services as well as the Disney plus streaming platform on March fourteenth mallows. Everts Eternal. Take secures a second week at number one on Billboard. Two hundred problems charts. And last week I talked about the Carvey Cardi B. And the Corona Virus Remix that was going viral now she joked about releasing it as an actual song well in Haram produced by DJ. I Mar keys is aiming for a debut on the number of charts next week including the all John Laura Digital Song. Sales tally rb hip hop digital song sales now according to initial sales reports in Nelson music in an RC data. The song has already sold more than three thousand downloads in the US on March Nineteenth Cardi B. Who has helped promote the DJ I- Marquees remakes through her social channels said she wants to donate proceeds from the sales and streams other remix charity and. Dj Marquees agreed tweeting Cardi. That was his original goal. Now Broadway legend Andrew Lloyd Webber pulled up to his piano during self isolation on Thursday to perform a version of all. I ask of you from his Phantom of the opera after asking his fans his suggest attuned for him to play for them. I don't think I ever get such a response to this. Are He says? I didn't think I'd ever get such a response to this little trail here. I am in my own self isolation He wrote in a clip in which his dog interrupts him and he jokes. It's all right. It doesn't come from cats. The delightful instrumental which Weber revealed was in the wrong key because of his arthritic fingers can't play. Otherwise wasn't the only gift Lloyd Webber shared. The May stroh Maestro. The Maestro who turns seventy one on Sunday got an early birthday greening on Thursday from Hamilton's Lin Manuel Miranda who wrote it's almost your birthday and you give us gifts prompting Andrew Lloyd Webber to say. Thank you and Challenge Randy to a playoff well. Challenge accepted late Thursday night. Miranda took to his living room piano accented by a White Phantom mask to perform. Everything's alright from Jesus Christ superstar with a note asking fan support. Broadway cares during this time when all of Broadway is shut down due to the cove in nineteen now Maranda in his performance with the challenge to Weber to sing. You'll be back from Hamilton. Dj De Nice is doing his part to keep social distance. Tres entertained during the corona virus pandemic on Saturday the Bronx native whose row name is Derek. Jones hosted an epic virtual dance party on Instagram. That drew more than one hundred thousand viewers including celebrities like Michelle Obama Missy Elliott Gabrielle Union Joe Biden and Jada Pinkett Smith in many more and show pied. I never would have imagined that the best party I would create in. Dj would be from the comfort of my own. Home denies wrote on Instagram on Instagram. Following Saturday's Hash Tab club quarantine who've it where he reportedly split hip hop army jams for about ten hours? The amount of artists and friends virtually partied with me far exceeded my expectations. I'm feeling nothing but gratitude. Thanks to all of you. That support it. He added giving shutouts to Drake Jennifer Lopez diddy. Dj called- Ti. Kelly Rowland Mary. J. Blige Usher Ludacris and dozens more now. Unfortunately as current virus outbreak has spread a number of musicians haven't been immune to it So from Idris Elba to Andrew Watt. Here are the musicians who have tested positive for Corona Virus Brandon Hoover. The guitarist from crown of the Empire Ocean Grove has announced that one of the Australian Band members has tested positive Charlotte Lawrence. Who Song Jokes on. You appears on the birds of prey soundtracks in Bon Jovi keyboard. Is David Brian Now? All artists are playing sets from their homes. Tim Burgess is testing out a new idea. Twitter listening parties. The Charlton singer round up some of his friends to each pick an album to listen to you and dissect with fans. He's starting on Monday with some friendly Friends offender for Fernan ed will play their iconic self-titled on Tuesday blurs. Parklife is Wednesday's pick with tweets. By David rountree Thursday will be rides going blank again an Oasis Liam Gallagher and Paul Arthur cap off the week with Dissection of definitely maybe each listening party is set to begin at ten PM they're assuming it's GMT time and by they. I mean Spin Dot Com. Though it's not explicitly explicitly stated so. We'll take a break and return with new music and festival news. Always the go but the day. Just be one without your Hollywood's golden state media concepts that are podcast. Take care that an all inclusive look pop culture. Well the matter since he means it podcast host illegal browsed so new album releases last week. I reported that pink had a new album called toothy but it was actually two feet and the album was called team. So my bag I would listen to it thinking. Oh like paint got a new album Gladys Ping sound like a man. This man is dope so that album Actually didn't I should talk about it in the next section. But I don't recall I don't think I have. I'm going to say now. The album is dope. It's like it's an alternative album. I looked them up on. I G he doesn't have very many posts so he's a newer dude or either he just is one of those people who cleared out all their post but he's has had lake had a lot of different vibes That's why it's alternative but like some Bluesy filiing some like idiom filling Some alternative I can't put him in a box but it was dope now the latest releases we have our childish. Gambino three fifteen twenty so looks like Donald Glover didn't drop his stage name. A J Galvin Colors Kelsey Ballerini Kelsey the weekend after hours Conan Gray Kid crow. Mac Miller circles deluxe troy man INSOMNIAC Lapsley through the water. Hot New singles. The weekend in your is childish. Gambino time and twelve. Thirty eight J Galvin are Marilo Kelsey Ballerini the other girl of featuring the Homie Housley. Why being non mirror two-seater featuring G. eazy offset tore lanes W Kevin Gates always be Gangsta Freestyle on tours and festival news so DJ denies is the only artist doing livestream concerts. Here's a list for today. Monday march twenty third. So this week marks And then also in addition to that list billboard has billboard live at home series and today they had Allan Stone Lauren do not know how to spell it. J. U. R. E. G. U. I. Madison Beer Allie X. And I'll give you the entire lineup for billboard live and then go on to tell you what is actually happening today. In addition to billboard live at home so for billboard live at home this week Tuesday at one. Pm Eastern Standard Time everything is eastern standard. Time it's Kiana letty three. Pm X Ambassadors Five PM. Skip Marley win one PM. Benny bin Saad Bansi five. Pm Lauren. That chick whose name. I can't pronounce Thursday one PM Allie x three PM. Richard Marx Five. Pm Hunter Hayes and Friday one PM Lukas Graham and three PM all-time low if you missed any today like Alan Stone actually a clip on billboard We'll take your straight to like the facebook page that it's on so also garth brooks has announced. He will play a concert on his weekly inside city. Oh Gee Foot. Facebook series tonight. Which is Monday at seven PM Eastern Standard Time? The show will be just Brooks and guitar and possibly why Tricia Earwood taking requests for up to an hour Sirius. Xm will also broadcast a show on the Garth Channel Channel Fifty Five Brooks Exclusive Sirius. Xm Channel Now Christine and the Queens will perform on their instagram live at eleven am Pacific Standard Time together at home who global citizens solitary sessions. Guess what is called. Years and years will perform on their instagram live at twelve. Am Civic Center time for together at home. That's all that whole session Picture will do the same picture this will perform on air. Instagram live at two pm for that same together at home Vance joy will perform on their instagram. Live at three. Pm Pacific Standard Time and In case you miss it Sunday. Miguel did ally Schrimm on issues that I got a glimpse of and that was all good in fund news We're going to go and just take a look at some of the council lesions set of happened so little. Big Town postponed the nightfall tour for later dates and August to October January. Twenty twenty one. This stormy has everything to us but amid the health concerns running our country. We feel like the only thing to do to protect the health of our fans band crew and families is supposed phone. The upcoming spring shows We are already counting down the weeks to be back on to be out there with you. All celebrating life love music and health with new and different appreciation previously purchased. Tickets will be honored for our schedule. Dates say safe and healthy and try to enjoy this unexpected time to spend with your loved ones. The Melbourne in Sydney sessions of Dolly. Parton hit musical nine to five. Is postponed wants receive governments advice. Regarding the re opening schedule for venues new dates can be secured. Existing ticket holders will be provided with an exclusive first option to secure the best seats Read the statement from. The organisation organizers iron. Madame postponed there may tour of Australia in Zeeland. Australians Australia's C. M. C. Rocks Q. Od is officially cancelled despite our very best efforts to C. M. C. Rocks Q. L. D. to a later on this year we've had to make the incredibly difficult decision to cancel the two thousand twenty event altogether reads a statement from poss- entertainment chug entertainment in frontier touring. Miranda Lambert was among the headliners for the country fest which was to take place March Eighteenth through the twenty second at Willow Bank Music Biz. Twenty twenty has been postponed due to uncertainty surrounding global health crisis. The annual industry conference was due to take place. This may in downtown national but will be pushed back to August all conference distraction in hotel. Reservations will be honored automatically transferred to new dates now set for August sixteenth through August nineteenth. Twenty twenty now. Bmi has postponed to both its pop awards and film TV and visual media. Awards which has been slated to take place in Los Angeles in May. The events will be rescheduled at a later. Date Alicia keys analysis that her more myself tour in Alicia album will be postponed but her upcoming book will also launch on March thirty first. Everyone's health and safety is the number one priority. She tweeted. Thank you for your deep love. I'll let you know about new date. Soon stay powerful. I Adore you. Chris Tomlin's fourth annual Good Friday Nashville originally scheduled for Friday April tenth at Burj Stone. Arena has been postponed Brooks and Dunn announced. Today that they're reboot twenty twenty. Two Zero tour is scheduled for this fall. The National Parks have announced a rescheduled date for their upcoming super blue musical festival. So set to occur at the. Utah'S OC TANNER. Ample theater the festival will now take place. Saturday August fifteenth with its lineup fully intact the Australian pop spectacular so POPs when he twenty has been canceled the sixth date arena tour had a lineup featuring pussycat dolls steps Jesse McCartney smashmouth and more. It was with a heavy heart. Frontier touring and arena touring announced that. So pop twenty twenty or no longer be taking place in Australia and New Zealand this April and May the Sydney Edition Fast Forward Twenty twenty is scrapped. Following the large scale event cancellations in Australia and around the world were sad to say that fast forward will not be taking place in Sydney and April. The conference was due to take place at studio three. A one. On April thirtieth through may burs. We are working on a plan to bring fast forward over again. In twenty twenty organizers for the Northern California bottle rocket vessel announced. This event will take place in October after careful consideration and in coordination with our local and state authorities instead of May Twenty second through the twenty fourth bottle. Rock NAPA is now scheduled to take place from October second through fourth after Nappy Valley. Napper nappy never rudes Napa Valley. Expo tool tool is postponing a chunk of their North American tour dates with their April Sixteenth. Through may fifth shows now on hold the ban wish everyone will during this difficult period and hope to see everyone again. Very soon Car seat. Headrest is rescheduling their mass M. O. CA performances on two September fourth. We honestly don't know yet whether letter later dates will be affected as well however we will make sure that anyone who buys a ticket will get a special experience with us and our music this year in form or another. They said in a statement. We got a lot of cancellations folks. We got the PUSSYCAT dolls. April's porn so much like over pope though pussycat dolls post honed their UK in Ireland tour By narrow will reschedule to September. Twenty four th through twenty seven twenty twenty laps in very festival has been cancelled. The Twenty Twenty Year Vision Song contest has been cancelled. And I'm sure that many of these artists festivals would use something creative to stream so toby to sad folks. Oh Gosh I was so much. I'm actually tired. You know you have this time like this social distancing. I feel like his made me more tired. But what have I been jamming actually a lot? Since I've had the time I've been on that Little Vert. Eternal take deluxe just like the original jams. I like to work out to it on Jay. Electronica written testimony. It's definitely vibe. It has a Jay Z. As has cheesy as the ultimate surprise he is on many of the tracks. Basically you should just say like Jay Z and Jay Electronica It's definitely hip hop in its purest. Form is not necessarily my style but I recognize quality when I hear it rich. The Kid Bosman is a Bob. My Standout Ray Charles sick featuring the baby not sorry featuring Nicki Menaj and Red Dawn tolliver heaven. Or Hell. I I heard of him in that. Travis Scott documentary on Netflix last year. But this is a solid album at jams all the way through. I gave the weekend after hours one spin. Not because it was bad. I gave late a lot of stuff that came out this weekend. Wants been 'cause I just didn't have the time and I was trying to get through them all but It's basically the weekend so you know it's going to be good and it's him talking about being a crappy boyfriend and just crappy lover Dude overall. But it's vibe I'm a fan of trae man since netflix rhythm and flow and his Prajit INSOMNIAC was pretty much what I expect it. He brought it. Some songs are stronger than others. don't know if. I have to listen to it multiple times and are probably won't but yeah he brought him. I haven't had a chance to get all the way through childish. Gambino or Lapsley but I was thinking what I heard and as far as childish. Gambino it's more experimental than anything. I've heard from him in the past. Not that like. I'm a huge fan of his early work but like the last two projects as far as Awaken love and Guava Island. Some stuff that he did on the Lion King Soundtrack There's hints of that on the album so we'll take a break and return with music history with Kenny Rogers. Searching the vast jungle of podcasts. Listen close and here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts podcast network is here nothing less than a podcast list with endless hours of podcast covered from news sports music fashion looking entertainment fantasy football so much more stop lurking around and go straight out to the golden state media concepts podcast network guaranteed to fill that podcast is whatever it may be visit us at. Www DOT JESUS MC podcast dot COM. Follow us on facebook and twitter and download us on. I tunes soundcloud and Google play. Welcome back to the GMC music podcasts. And let's get into music history with Kenny Rogers. According to ALL MUSIC DOT com. It took several tries before Kenny. Rogers became a star as a member of the new Christy minstrels. And the first edition. He earned a few hits. But in the late seventies begin charting with a series of well done middle other road songs featuring a country flavor rogers crested with Lucille Country Chart. Topper that earned song of the year honors for nine hundred. Seventy seven the arrest as they say is history award winning duets Dottie West and Dolly Parton. Another song of the year ward for the Gambler a parade of Subsquent Subsequent Smash Hits Coward of the country. We've got tonight crazy. And Lady the latter his first pop number one twelve TV specials and several made for TV movies based on his songs even during the post hit making years his name face. A music were instantly recognisable for his concerts specials films in even fast food restaurants like many countries superstars. Rogers came from humble roots born in Houston Texas Rogers and his seven siblings raise in one of the poorest sections of town nevertheless he progress through high school all the while learning how to play guitar and fiddle when he was a senior he played in the rockabilly band called the scholars who released three singles including King Juan which was written by Lucille. Parsons following his graduation here. Released two singles will always fall in love again and for you alone. The local independent label. Carlton that's what he released it. On the side of the first single the crazy filling was popular enough to earn him a slot on American bandstand. In nineteen fifty nine he briefly attended the University of Texas. You of a right across the street from my own. I'm honored Tsu Texas Southern University. But he soon drops out to play bass in the Jazz Combo. The bobby doyle three while he was with the group Rogers contained are continued to explore other musical venues and played bass on Mickey Gillies. Nineteen sixty single. Is it wrong? The bobby doyle three released one album and most us. I guess it's called any most unusual way before. Rogers left the group to play with the Kirby Stone Four. He didn't stay long with stone and soon landed a solo record contract with mercury. Rogers released a handful of singles on Mercury. All of which failed once mockery dropped a singer. He joined the new Christy minstrels in nineteen sixty six. He stayed with the folk group for a year leaving with several other band members. Mike Settle Terry Williams and film. Oh Lou comics in nineteen sixty seven to form the first edition adding Drummer Micky Jones. The first edition signed with reprise and recorded. Pop psychedelic single. Just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in. The single became a hit early in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight climbing to number five within a year. The group was billed as Kenny Rogers. And the first edition and in summer. Nineteen sixty-nine they had their second and final top ten hit Ruby. Don't take your love to town. The country overtones of the single hinted at the direction Rogers was taking. As did the minor hit. Follow up Ruben. James for the next two years the first edition bounce between country pop and mild psychedelia scoring their first big. Hit with Mac Davis. Something's burning in early. Nineteen seventeen by the end of nineteen seventy two. The group had its own syndicated. Television show but cells were drying up. They left reprise the following year signing two rogers new label jolly Rogers. None of their singles became major hits though version of Merle haggard. Today I started loving. You again reached the lower regions of the country charts. Late in nineteen seventy-three Rogers left the group in nineteen. Seventy four in. The band broke up the following year as the time at the time the band broke up. Rogers was severely in debt and Jolly. Rogers was out of business. In order to jump start his career he signed to United Artists in nineteen seventy five and with the help of producer Larry Butler he devised in assessable radio. Ready an immaculately crafted take on country pop that leaned toward adult contemporary pop. Not Country Love. Lifted ME HIS DEBUT. Single for the label was a minor hit early. Nineteen seventy six but it took a four year for Rogers to have a genuine breakthrough hit with Lucille climbing. To number one on One early nineteen seventy seven Lucille. Not only was a major country. Hit earning the country Music Association single of the Year award put an also was a huge crossover success. Peaking at number five on the pop charts for the next six years. Rogers had a steady string of top ten. Hits on both the country pop charts. His crossover success is important. His lush easy listening productions and smooth. Crohn's showed that country stars could conquer the conquer the pop audience if produced and marketed correctly during the late seventies and early eighties. Much of country. Radio was dominated either by urban cowboy or country pop in the vein of Roger's own singles between nine hundred. Seventy eight and nineteen eighty. He had five street number. One Country Singles love or something like it the gambler. She believes in me. You decorate it in my life and coward of the country most of which also reached the pop top ten. In addition to a solo hits. He had a series of tops in duets. With Dottie West including the number one hits every time two fools collide nineteen seventy-eight. All I ever need is you. Nineteen seventy nine. And what are we doing in love? Nineteen eighty-one not only did his single cell well but so did his albums with every record he released between nineteen seventy six Kenny Rogers in one thousand nine hundred eighty four's once upon a Christmas going gold or platinum by the beginning of one thousand nine hundred eighty s. Rogers audience was as much pop as it was country and single. His cover of Leno. Ritchie's lady confirmed that fact spending six weeks at the top of the pop charts. Rogers also began performing duets with pop. Singers like Kim. Kearns don't fall in love with a dreamer number three country number four pop nine thousand nine hundred eighty nobles all the stats for that song and Sheena Easton. We've got tonight which was one country and number six pop in nineteen eighty. Three Rogers also began making inroads into television and film appearing in a number of TV specials and made for TV movies including nineteen eighty. Two's six pack and two movies. Based on his songs the Gambler and coward of the country late in nineteen eighty three he left United Artists Liberty for RCA records releasing duet with Dolly Parton called islands in the stream as his first single for the label written by the BG's in produced by Berry Gabe. The record became one of his biggest hits spending two weeks on the top of both the country and pop charts and que get ahead. Roger stayed at for five years during which time he alternated between Mor adult contemporary pop and slick country pop. Some of these Jonah's I did not know existed or at least a titles. See the hits. They can come as often as they used to. And they were frequently competing with releases from liberties vaults but he managed to log five number one singles for the label in addition to islands in the Stream. Crazy nineteen eighty-four. Real love nineteen eighty-five warning desire nine hundred eighty five two of the own unknown love nineteen eighty six and the Ronney Millsap Duet. Make no mistake. She's mine nine hundred eighty seven. Despite his country success he no longer had pop crossover hits nevertheless Rogers concerts continue to be popular as it has made for. Tv movies still the lack of blockbuster records meant that RTL RCA failed to renew his contract when it expired in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. Rogers returned to his first label. Reprise where he had one major hit in? Nineteen eighty nine top ten. The vows go unbroken in parentheses. Always true to you take from the gold album taken from the gold albums something inside so strong okay so we had a gold album and he had a major hit from that wold album sounds good to me on before. His single started charting in the lower half of the top forties now throughout the late eighties and nineties. Rogers kept busy with charity. Work Concerts his fast. Food chain. Kenny Rogers roasters Didn't know about that television specials movie and Photography Publishing No less than two books. Kenny Rogers America and Kenny Rogers. Your friends and mine of his photos. Rogers continued to record releasing albums nearly every year but they failed to break beyond his large devoted fan base in only made a slight impact on the charts with nine hundred ninety eight Christmas from the heart. He established his own record label dream catcher. She rides wild horses followed a year later. And there you go again was issued in mid two thousands. A live by request appeared in two thousand one followed by back to the well in two thousand and three me and Bobby McGee in two thousand four and water and bridges in two thousand six at this point in his career in his career unable to hit the pop or country charts any longer. Rogers repositioned himself as a nostalgic brand in the middle releasing two thousand eleven's the love of God a collection of Gospel Hymns and inspirational songs. Only through cracker barrel locations. The album was released a year later by the gaither music group under the title. Amazing Grace in two thousand twelve. He issued an autobiography luck or something like it. A memoir and the following year he received the honor of an induction into the country. Music Hall of fame a new deal with Warner Brothers Nashville yielded. You can't make old friends. His first major label big budget release in seven years and he promoted it with a major tour and even appeared at England's legendary Glastonbury Festival. The album's October twenty thirteen release was preceded by the title track duet with longtime friend. Dolly PARTON IN LATE TWO THOUSAND FIFTEEN. Rogers returned to a familiar drawn. Laura releasing once again. It's Christmas his first holiday album in seventeen years. Rogers launched a farewell to or call the gamblers last deal in two thousand fifteen. It cumulated twenty seventeen with the final show held at Nashville's Bridgestone arena filled with guests including Leno Ritchie and Dolly Parton Man. So he was at it pretty much always had only twenty seventeen and then he died. Twenty twenty so up until his death like I mean. That's I I personally a know nothing about Kenny Rogers. I just knew his name in his face like that beard. His face was just like iconic So this was definitely a lesson for me. But it's really nice to hear that he had that Farrell tour And the title of the gamblers last deal and it went for two years and finalize it. 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Steelers Fathers Day Podcast: How can the Steelers make their 2020 season memorable?

Behind the Steel Curtain

48:46 min | 4 months ago

Steelers Fathers Day Podcast: How can the Steelers make their 2020 season memorable?

"Pittsburgh steeler fans welcome once again to the behind the steel curtain. PODCAST my name is Brian Anthony Davis you can call me bad today. Call Me Dad. It's father's day and I wish everybody out there. In our BTS's family. A Happy Father's Day. Your celebrating a father whether you're remembering a father whether your father on your own. That's it's a very special day to me and I'm very glad to have you all along with me today now. This is usually the spot for the homer. In the show Lance Williams is off today I requested that. And Lance requested then He. Take off for father's Day. He wanted me to do the same thing, but. My thing today. Is I want to honor all the fathers out there and with the Pittsburgh steelers? There's a deep tradition. Of Fatherhood and that's something we're going to talk about in a little bit, so no homer in the hater this week like landslides likes to call it. It's a cool whip type type show. It's going to be very fluffy so what I really want you to do. And we're going to WE'RE GONNA have a lot of fun today and we're going to talk about the joy of fatherhood, but also a Murray's. How you became a steeler fan and for me. A lot of that has to do with my dad introducing it to me, I wanNA. Thank everybody here. In the podcasts excuse me in the live chat, and I'm laughing because Mark Davison just wrote. Mark Davis in the a great fan of the show he he wrote mate. Here down under of course steeler nation Australia I'm in the House I want to go ahead and look. I want to recognize a few people in the live chat. Well Rodolfo, Hannah. Mark Gavison of course. The Stewart love. From Edinburgh Scotland the Stewart love NFO show. That's fantastic rhino tool another great contributor. The show thanks bad happy father's Day West Hickok our buddy West's. Going to be doing some writing maybe this fall, with the grades taking that. Of My play an once again mark. Davidson, having a few beers. I want you to share memories in a little bit about how you became. steeler fans will do that in a little bit. Thanks for everybody. WHO's joining us today and once again I wanNA. Do a shout out to might be TSE family. And members might be TSE family. Of course Dave Scofield the editor father UVA three lovely children. Dave a great dad. Lots of great dads here. Lance Williams. Might my partner here. On the homer and the haters show usually and throughout the week of Lance, wonderful father, rich scofield. Richardson Scofield Big Bro, Sco I know, it's not Richardson. I know it's not rich, Tiberius Scofield but Great father as well and fantastic family man I'm. Not Out to a few guys on the the website as well. The blog site Jeffrey Benedict, and if I missing anybody, who's a dad. Happy Father's Day and I'm sorry if I did miss, anybody. I feel like I'm at the Oscars giving my acceptance speech. But you very special day to me and this day really didn't mean much to me as a kid. You know your kid you just thinking of you. Get your dad gifts, and then you go play out in the art, but now it means so much more to me, and that's something I'll get into. A little bit, but the topic of the show you know. I forgot something another dad. I WANNA recognize. He's no longer with with the website behind the curtain on the PODCAST, but Jeff Hartmann fantastic dad. That five. He was kind of the Patriarch at behind the curtain for me even though he's. He's twelve years younger than me, but. He he helped me out a lot and helped me be able to get into podcasting here which I never had a chance to do so I want to say happy. Father's Jeff as well. So lots of great things to. Talk about here. But the thing that I'm going to talk about? steeler memories. We're going to win a little bit how you steeler Fan. But what kind of memories can twenty twenty steelers make? That's the big question. You're and how could they make? Twenty twenty more memorable. So, there's a lot of things now. Two Thousand Nineteen may have been one that we wanted to forget. You know it was a rough year. You get blown out in week. One against New England which you know. It was just a bad all around performance on that on Sunday night football. Then you turn around. And the next week you have your home opener. You'll. Authors Burger right before the second half Mason Rudolph comes out and looks pretty good in that game. Will what happens? They get horrible calls. And they blow it on defense. That leads to. A trade. Two days later and the trade for me. If it's Patrick coming in that helps shore up the defense. Look like well. Hey, the defense is going to be back. To Williams out also. And he had a lot to do with the His absence had a lot to do with the run game suffering as well. So you couple that with finally win against Cincinnati on Monday night football, then the big showdown against the Baltimore Ravens. It's a big one game at one. Bad call with Ola any horrible call. roughing the passer was terrible. You had Mason Rudolph just giving absolutely tattooed and out of the game duck hodges comes in rallies. The team and they're looking better than Juju. HAS THAT FUMBLE? And the fumble sunk it for him so that that was it was a pretty rough start to the season. Suddenly start putting together wins. It looks like they're going to go to the playoffs. The myles Garrett incident happens with Mason Rudolph. things kind of went downhill for Mason. Then then you're looking at the rest of the season three games to go. You just need to really many win one of those to get into the playoffs they don't. And it was just a rough year that you WANNA forget. But now twenty twenty comes around, and you feel like it's going to be so much better Ben's back James Connors Ryan Switzer. They're saying stuff like wow. He's really has zip on the ball he's. He's throwing better than ever. Bend says it's the first time. He's pen pain free in a long long long time. In Juju. Who had a rough year? You had James Connor who had another rough injury year. Those guys they have been working like mad. You have the defense that. Is Still Stout they had. They lost one Guy Giovane hargrave and we lost a few players, Mark Baron Anthony, Tikolo, but as far as starters they lost one starter, but they're able to fill in the blanks, and they have some depth on that on that defensive line, so there's some things to look out there that it's really could be a positive season. But how can they make this a memorable season? The reason I keep on saying memorable. It's going to go into the father's Day show. because. When you're talking to your dad when you're talking to your kids about the steelers, you one twenty twenty to be the one that you're really talking about, and and you're gonNA. Want remember watching it. With your loved ones, too so that that's a very important thing to me, so the first thing I and this is a no brainer. Everybody knows that this one. You gotta stay healthy. We talked about health. There's. You worry about those guys that. Always seem to end up with with injuries. In you worry about those guys that that have never been injured, and then they get their first one, and and a who is who's the bug hit this year and hopefully it doesn't hit them that hard. Holy paid their injury dues last year. That's that's the big hope. But that's the big thing staying injury free the other one, and this applies to most NFL teams as well. The other one to me would be. Simply. Getting lead going for the throat early the Pittsburgh. steelers don't seem to really go for the throat. That's thing. They get a lead. kind of sit on it. I were the Ravens so successful last year. They. Got Leads early. They got ahead a early. And then they got to go into. I don't want to say cruise control because, but they got to the point where they can still play their game, but knowing that knowing that anytime, somebody punch. counterpunch and that was that was a really big thing with them going thirteen and three last year, but remember this team's not that far away from being thirteen three season like they were in two thousand seventeen. If the planets align just right, they could be good another thing the steelers need to do. To make this a memorable season. Recently this. Play. Your a game. Against lower-grade opponents. There's lower-grade opponents on the schedule. This is actually for the AFC north. This is a very good schedule year. It's a week's schedule on. The Ravens have don't have tough slate. The steelers don't have a tough slate. The steelers say two thousand eight. When they won the Super Bowl last, they had the toughest schedule in the league. Still Win The super bowl one of the reasons the that they. Did so well in won the super bowl that year is. They felt like they had to have their a game. The entire tyler playing teams like the Dallas Cowboys at a conference they were playing some really tough Games of course Baltimore was a good team. At that year. They played them in the AFC championship game. You, there was of course you had you had New England out there. Even though Tom Brady went down, but you they that was a team that they had a full up their game to still beat even without Tom Brady. Actually game didn't start off well. With the Matt. Cassel Randy Moss running all over. The steelers put it together and ended up weapon, but here's the thing. They really need. To make sure that when you're playing a lower grade team. Like the jets like the bengals like the dolphins last year. Those can't be close games. What am I great memories of the steelers and I've been wall watching a lot of games on. On Youtube and on McMillan and wife Dot Com. If you've never check McMillan, and wife was really cool. It's a chance to a chance to. Look at old games. The broadcasts some of them. Have the have myron Cope Project Fleming in their. The they have the old broadcast or great in fact I'm watching. The playoffs from nineteen seventy eight right now, and it's a whole lot of fun. I haven't gotten through because I fall asleep at night when when I'm bring another aboard I'm just exhausted, but one thing that they did. They were crushing teams that been really. Live up to expectations of being a good team so lower grade team. They would go in in crush. Then, they might play tighter games against good teams, but you just don't want them. To play. Tight Games against. Bad opponents. We've seen it I mean. Dave scofield talks about the game a he went to He'll never forget the Tampa Bay game and Mike Glennon beating. You when Mike Glennon beat beat them back in two thousand fourteen. He was at that game and it still handsome. So You can't lose games like that. And so, that's one thing that they need to do again. Thaddeus, ask what said website. It's called Millon wife Dot Com. If you google search, McMillan and wife steelers. It's really cool when I did my series. Throwback Thursday. And when I do a throwback for a playoff game or or super bowl like I always like to do. Around that time the big thing for me. To the game and I report on it like I'm watching it for the first time. But here's the thing. When you look at. The steelers need to do. It's quite simple. Just get back to basics and be a bully. The steelers could be a bully this year. And I still play classy. So really they. That's those are the few adjustments they need to make a memorable season. When open up the live chat real quick, let me know what you think would make a memorable. Season for the steelers. Somebody out. There mentioned the fact that they need to get off to a faster start. You can't go when one EXP-. especially play the giants in week one. You don't WanNa go and one. You don't want to own three last. Year, I think that first quarter of the seasons probably very important this year as well and remember. This is going to be a strange year because. covid nineteen is definitely going to Kamarck on the twenty twenty season. Hopefully, not too much one so I'm gonNA. Go ahead and ask you to. Go ahead, throw in there. What you think would make a memorable season for the steelers. And, the most memorable thing would be of course winning the Super Bowl getting to the super bowl in winning it. I still think it's a window where they can go ahead and do it. Mark Davison says. AFC. North win is a must. Do you agree but yet? They definitely have to win the AFC north. But if they don't. They just got to get to the dance. Here's the thing this year. There's only one team with the by. That's a big deal to you. Know One team with the by. So towards the end of the season, just basically about getting in and getting pulled. But it's really getting Making sure that AFC north is competitive in not one sided with the Raymond's. It's okay if the Ravens win the north. Me For that, but the thing about it is. Make sure they know you're there. Make sure it's tight worth anybody's division between the steelers and the Ravens. That he's Kennedy says watching Ben Comeback from injury. And Win the Super Bowl if he wins. Do you think he'd retire? Actually think you would I. Think the next ring that he gets is going to be the Swan Song. You know it's very tough to repeat these days. Remember John. It finally got his I. You, know I mean. He came back for a second because they were strong coming back. It's a lot harder. I'm twenty two years later, so you know I would probably think that if Ben Rothlisberger gets gets that. Gets that ring. And if he gets that ring, I'm probably going to say he's going to be super bowl. MVP so that point you would go out on top. I would fully support him. Going out however. Thing about this. There's got. Another thirty million on the line if he comes back from one more year, so you know. I would not blame him if he's at all right I'll play one more season. In this Swansong and get all that money, so. Hard to turn down a lot of money like that as well. Grind O'Toole says by the Great Contributor Watt, getting wide defensive player of the year and the defense shutting down. Everyone all the way to the Super Bowl Hey. That's really something that I think can happen. I think TJ Watt. Is definitely the the one steeler that. The. Is a career steeler I think there's another one that's he will never be a career steeler because he started his career with the Miami Dolphins, but making Fitzpatrick needs to finish his career in Pittsburgh and be a career steeler that way and I really think that he is. US throw him in Fitzpatrick to excuse me and watch together. Still Have Cam for hopefully more years. Hopefully he's able to sign a contract and it Yo Devon Bush junior then. You're really looking pretty good. Mark Davidson says Boswell, number nine, not missing a kick. Hey, I, think Boswell's back in these showed it last year. very interesting. If you have not had a chance to check this out. We. We do a interviews from time to time as many as we can get in, they're usually steeler affiliated did one the other day with Morten Andersen Hall of Famer and the reason I did that is because I can tied into Gary Anderson like it paid into his thoughts on the steelers I can tell you about into Chris. Boswell in he. He talked about a lot of things and I was GONNA ask him this question. He entered for me. He said the long snapper and the long snapper in the holder or very important to guys game. And if you remember when he had a bad season, that might've been cameron candidates first year. There might have been a little bit of a disconnect, but there was also some injury involved there, so there's a lot of thing. West Hitchcock says juju needs to retire retires a steeler a he also believes he will retire as a a steeler that thinks. Not. Doesn't think he's going to, but there's so many things that will make this a memorable season, and it's just playing your game in being the Pittsburgh steelers. That's going to be the most important thing. Now I WANNA. Tradit- excuse me now I want to transition to father's day and like I mentioned, and before I do that I al- always want to thank anybody that puts a super chat. Dave Shipley no salary increase. It's our last year to win the Super Bowl. Do you agree? Here's the thing about the salary cap. Everybody's going to have a problem with the salary cap, not going up. I mean some less than others, but here's the deal with that. The NFL is GonNa have to do something to. Not decrease the salary cap. You really can't do that because there's going to be a lot of free agents and a lot of guys out of football, and that's probably Ba last thing that they want to do with the Union right now. Even though they have a new deal, so there's. You don't really. When a mess with the salary cap that much so I don't know if the salary cap. Is Not going to increase? The there's with Ovid with everything. You know you've gotTA. You've gotta make adjustments in the salary cap will greatly hindered the league if it doesn't go up. How can they do it? You Know I. They're. Away just like Omar. Khan always finds a way with the checkbook and Pittsburgh to find guys, but if you don't have the salary cap, I understand. So the. There's some things that they're going to have to do. So, what I want to do here is oh by the way Dave. Thank you for the five dollars. I appreciate that. If you, WANNA. Go ahead and get to the. Top of the queue can throw in a little bit in the tip jar as well so I want to transition over. To father's Day. And like I said Father's as a very special data me in the past. It didn't mean as much until I be. And I. WanNa. Tell you story about. One of the most meaningful father's Day in days in my life. It's two thousand three. And I was not a father at the time fact I had just gotten divorced. not only did I just get divorced. My ex was having a baby with somebody else and the baby was born a couple of months earlier so. It was one of those situations where. I went home hanging out with my parents on father's Day weekend to honor them, but I was really down thinking that I'm never going to be a dad. It's one of the most important things I've always wanted to be bad and. One of the most important things in my life that I wanted to do. I also was hiding a secret at the time. I had a The secret that I was hiding was that I had A. Very bad lump in a growth told one or two people out and I fear that it would be cancer and it ended up being cancer. But it was cancer. That I was able to get taken care of. and Seventeen years later I am cancer free so I'm very proud. After a couple surgeries to be a cancer survivor and Along those lines I do want to just digress real quick and a shoutout to Mrs, big BRASCO and Mrs Big Roscoe had a very diagnosis as far as being cancer free this week in daybreak that up on the show and I wanNA. Give a shout out to her to big part of our dealer family, but so I was hiding this this news 'cause I didn't want to worry my parents about it, and I didn't tell him that day, but it was. Horrible Father's Day for me because I just felt. Like at the age of thirty one. That it was over. You know not life, but it's just like my chances and where I had the cancer It was a situation where. I was probably never going to be able to have kids. That's what I was told. But. Here's the miracle that happened. They caught it early. In because I caught it early. I did not have to end up having radiation or Chemo, which meant that I was able to. Still conceive they They told me that that you'd have to work hard to conceive, and might take longer and I was like well. Hey, I have no problem with the had. That didn't happen I actually. was able to conceive quickly when I finally got a chance to, but. The reason that father's Day ends up being very memorable to me, is because of their with my dad and we were working outside. I was helping them out and you know. He knew I was down because of the other thing. And, he just He didn't stay after me. But, he just kept on making sure I was okay and. In talking to me and I just because in my personal life was really bringing me down, and he was just a dad guiding like he always has. Now. I WANNA. Give you another date in my life. December fifth nineteen, eighty two. My birthday is December third. I'm eleven years old. and. My Dad for my birthday says. We're GONNA the steelers chiefs games on game on Sunday birthday. Now when you're a kid. That's the most glorious thing in the World Finding out. You're stealing especially your first dealer. Because those guys demean were bigger than life. You know I'm watched Bradshaw. Stallworth I got to see them all in this game. You know I- Bradshaw threw a bomb to Stallworth. They glorious I got to see Franko in this game, you know. The fact that I was going to a game that I've watched on TV for a long time at that point because I've been watching since I was a kid. You Grow Johnston PA in the Seventies. You become a steeler fan, and if you don't you're. They think you're weird. So that took. Game in it was. It was just a beautiful experience. Mean Him. and. We talked about this game all the time. So on a flash forward to November twenty, second one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety two. Almost ten years later. And Twenty one years old actually I'm twenty. I'm almost twenty one. and. I was working for a Fox News station at the time. I ran the audio on on a little station in Johnstown PA Fox. Channel Eight. That's that was the Fox station in Johnston, who was a fairly new station in Iran the audio on the news, and I became friends with the sports director and he let me. No one was using. The press passes for that game, so we said here's a camera. Just go ahead and. Take the camera. Here's the press passes. You could have to press passes so. I'm taking my dad and I'm at college and I'm Living College, but and I had all these these buddies that wanted to go to the game with me like now I'm taking that. So, I take data the game. And it's nineteen ninety-two, so we go there with our press passes. We get to your park. Get great parking and. So then we go up to the game. and. We're near the press box. and. A, beautiful buffet, a beautifully catered buffet took my dad, too, so we're eating. We're getting ready for the game. And I have to go down to the field because I'm supposed to film and do a video packages for it, and we get to the press conference after the game so and bill cowers first year in I got to go to the bill. Cowher press conference, oh it was amazing. This was the game whitestone almost ran me over on the sidelines and I ran away like a little baby because. I had my fraternity jacket on. I knew my buddies were watching the game and I didn't want to just get crushed. Not I wasn't worried about getting hit as much as people see me, get hit and all over TV so. Dad, unlike dad. You've gotta stay up here. We go on the field together and so you go in the press box, so dad does goes and sits down and a couple people like asked her. What are you doing here and he's like I'm here to cover the game. I think there's a guy from beaver county times. Or whatever that said now he's he's good. He belongs here and gave my data. Pencil and My Dad starts taking notes then all of a sudden. The. At the end of the quarter they bring out all these stats. He's sitting back enjoying the game. He was great at halftime. They brought him food, they they. They at the time at three rivers. I don't know if they still do that. I have never been in the press box, but they brought them all this food. It was great I had a boxed lunch to the three rivers gave me a down Leah. I think it was in the visitors dugout three rivers of the time, and it was just like he got the star treatment that might was down there and. It was glorious because he still talks about that to this day as one of the greatest things in for me. The, the No, so special to me. Because ten years earlier, my dad took into my first game. I finally got to take my dad we game. And we got to do this a lot. My Buddy had season tickets I was living in West Virginia Johnstown he'd come up. We'd meet and I would take. I would take him to the Games so I had an opportunity to take him to fall I were. Maybe. Maybe more than that I took him to a lot of games and. In fact it ended up with I got to take him two more games than he took me and that was really special to me. So The reason I bring this up. Is You bake memories. Not because of what's really going on on the field. Stuff that goes on the field will never forget, but the stuff that goes on on the field is the stuff that you relive. With your the people you're watching the games with. And I wouldn't be a steeler fan was my dad's saying? Hey Watch the game with me. You didn't have all the options you have now. My kids don't watch the game with me. They're not interested. They might be. They might be interested later, but it's just really special to go ahead and have that bond. And enjoy it lets flash FLASH BACK TO A couple. About a month before together the game. I was a senior in college and. We. We would have an my fraternity house on Campus Fraternity House and we. We would all watch the games together in the steelers. Really good that year was cowards. First Year they go to the playoffs. They were hot and. So. A. Job Bad the called me back, then actually called me Fox because of my radio names. Brian Fox actually and. So they'd like Fox. Do you hanging out for the game? Here I'm like now I'm leaving you guys. What are you doing? I'm like. I'm trying my dad's so that was ten minutes away. I grabbed a couple subs. In we went is just mean dad watching the game together. Anga? I brought I brought on home for mom to. Leave him out, but mom didn't watch all the games with us. so data and I just sat there. Watching the steelers play the oilers. The oilers were really team that year in the. They beat them. They swept him that season and it was just I could have hung out with my buddies, but something more to watch the game with that and. Having to watch a game with dead for blessed two years. That's gotTa Change. I, really need to go to a super bowl with that. And I've never had a chance to go to a super bowl that in. That's his fault and. The reason I'm going to say it's his fault now I'm calling them out. So Sh-. Back in Nineteen, seventy nine. Actually nineteen eighty, it was right before super fourteen. The steelers were it was a Saturday night before they see championship game against the oilers. And My. My uncle may rest in peace. my mom's. My Mom's brother. He had season tickets to the game he had A. He had maybe eight to ten tickets. To the Super Bowl, Pasadena and He was kind of saying. My Dad is like. Hey, you WANNA go to the game I've got some extra. Knowing that. In his head that my mom wasn't let him go to the Super Bowl and So, my dad says one. We were entressen uncle Ralph's house in the he goes in to see. My mom mentioned today in comes back and says. Yeah. We'll take those tickets and he was like what. He's like yeah, we'll take A. There's no way my sister's going to let you go. It's like yeah. So so. My parents went to the game and I was mad. You know I mean yours Mike. How come I'm not going to the Super Bowl I want to go to the Super Bowl. They're like no. You're not going so. I actually. Don't take steeler card, but there was a part of me one of them to lose that game. The next day your age you know. Just. Didn't by parents to leave me and go to the Super Bowl because I was afraid of the game on the plane all this stuff, but they won the game in I got over it, and it was awesome and I still have the souvenirs. My Mom and dad brought me back. But why am I telling you that story so two years ago I have another opportunity. opportunity of a lifetime and invited dad. And it was to go to chantilly Virginia for an autograph signing with Terry Bradshaw. So. Harry Bradshaw that I. Mean took that down and he. He was thrilled to go. And we go there and I. There was a long line and I wasn't sure I didn't ask for a picture anything. My Dad took pictures of Terry, Williams signing and So. What happened we go up there? I thank him for all the memories Terry Bradshaw was very cordial very nice and my dad leans in. Madonna's. At Super Bowl fourteen. I'll never forget that. And Terry Bradshaw stops. Listen My dad and. Puts his hand on his chin. Goes. You know that was a tough one we won. That was a really tough game. And so here I chime in I'm like Yeah Terry Bradshaw yet. I he didn't take me. I'm still mad at him and he's like why. Why did he take you? And I said well because I was eight, and he took my mom and said instead. Terry looks at me. He goes well. I wouldn't have taken you either. And Shakes my dad's head and I said Yeah I'm. Adam, and which I'm not, you know you know deadline we're. We're always going to joke about that. Harry Bradshaw Leans into me and says some. Let me take something. Just, be glad you have. You know. I'll never never forget. Those words in I'm so glad. I'm so glad I have those memories with that it's it's the most important thing I'm going to see that today he's. He's probably watching this podcast right now. my nephew. No, my Godson, Noah who I loved dearly. He steadying up for dead, so he could watch it so I hope he gets a chance to watch it. Tear up I apologize. But The memories we have with our families watching these games. Are the most important things. I'm a steeler fan. Because of my Dad, my dad didn't he have? A father. He had he had a? Sperm donor. But he left when he was four. He made promises that he never kept. He's GonNa. Come back and. He'll take the movies in. My grandmother and four kids just in the lurch. I mean he had a guy that gave them life, but He didn't give him. A LIFE! And my dad had a choice when he had kids. And his choice was to. Not Do not put kids through the Paik. Kids through the pain that they that he was put through, and he's been in a main thing father to me for almost fifty eight years. I've forty eight and. So it means means a lot. I also talked about the fact that the you know, I'm a dad. It took a long time for me to be a dad. I mentioned no, I'm Godfather No. I have three kids my Stepson Stephan. He's a mayor aid fantastic career so proud of him. Connor WHO's. Almost thirteen. Jillian. WHO's just trying to love it? And They mean the world to me and. You see me you probably hear them on podcast yelling in the background being kids. One time I I mentioned that. They're going to be grounded for ruining my show. And I got a message from a great contributor. The show who? WHO. Is Definitely. Older generation me probably around the same age as my Dad Dennis Sheridan. That has a love. You're great. You're great contributor to the show. And he wrote me a note a private note that said bad. Let the kids be kids. Don't get him in trouble, they? They had colored the show. It was something like that and that that was really special, so. I'm looking at here. Everybody in the live chat. It's special to be a sports fan because. A lot of us, not all of us, but a lot of us. It was handed down from generations. And that's what makes it so sweet? Because I know, I could always talk. Steelers with my dad can talk a lot of stuff from bed, but we always go back to steelers. And it's something that we're always going happen. We're always going to have that bond. So. Real quick. Skill fifty eight. Thank you so much ten dollars. Given us a super sticker there in the live chat if you. Have something you want to say, go ahead, say it. Lots of support in the live chat and I'm sorry I'm breaking down I never emotional guy until I got married and had kids and now I'm an emotional guy, his. Lakes important to you. Now not everybody's blessed with the story that I was able to tell here. and. I understand that. But if you're not a dad, you can be a dad. You don't have to be blood to be a dad to somebody I feel like I'm a dad. Forty Scouts. That's something very special to me and there's one. There's one scout. Initials are bad. He was having a tough time at camp last year. Like Hey, we're the bad patrol together and. So if that's something, he's never forgotten. His HIS MOM and dad, they're. They're great people and they thanked me for that That I was able to help them out with that. You know it's just something that you can mean something in somebody's life. If you're even if you're not a dad, you can be that So what I to do in the next five minutes I Anybody has memories. Of How they became a steeler fan. And and. What they're steeler relationship is with her father. Whether you're male or female, you have that relationship. You know the show. This is us very steelers centric set in Pittsburgh You know the the kids were conceived as. During halftime of Super Bowl, the first seen he's. About a terrible POW. Very beautiful scene it's like episode for. A guy wants to go out on a date with a daughter I. Think your name's Kate in the show and. She's like I'm watching the game with my dad. In, the data passed away, you know. And what he realizes, she's watched the game with the earn, and because she always watched the game data and she still. Watch the game with. and. She was annoyed because he wanted to talk about. Other things have not the steelers. That's not what she did So you know we, we have. We have that bond with people. So! I want to bring up. West West is my dad, and I had a strange relation ship and hadn't spoken for two years when he died in two thousand eighteen. You know. That's A. I'm sorry. The you have that memory If. You have an opportunity I'm sure Westwood say if you have an opportunity to Even if you're having a situation where you haven't spoken for a long time. Might my goal is I hope somebody is able to pick up the phone and not. Have that situation where? We're you're not speaking I'm reading these. Somebody's on the fly. My Dad is Aussie says Mark Davis in for the last. Sixteen Years I teach my dad the NFL game every year, and he doesn't understand, but my dad's supports the black and gold regardless. Awesome hats off to you doc. Just says who broke out the love your brother, thank you love you to. West mentioned this damn right. Tell my uncle all the time. Happy Father's Day because he helped. Raise me. You have those people in Your Life That That can be. You're like I said. They don't have to be blood. Dave Shipley. I was five at the Immaculate Reception With My. Dad, Rivers we were getting a head start to leave when we heard the roar, and we missed the play, but you are still there. That's the thing you were still there near Winder. Dad at the game. West says again My point simply is let me pull this up. Don't let time go by when you have it because one day you won't. That's. My goal is. Sometimes that Make Man's. You know Any reach out, and if if somebody if somebody gets on the phone today and or get car and drives when planning to. See your. Dad I mean I lead to good today. Lifelong Fan oh seven. Says I, remember my dad and seeing that Subaru against the cowboys in nineteen seventy nine. So, that's the thing. The Games that I talked about the chiefs in eighty two. Yeah, I'm wasn't a game. That that oilers game the Colts Game I took my dad to the press box game talked about. They aren't memorable games when you talk about. When you talk about super bowls, but they re their member. Their memories to me I'm never gonNA. Let go. Dave Shipley says don't blink. It goes quickly. and. West Bad Not Afraid to put yourself your real self out there? That's why we love you, you know. We joke about the two am stories. Those two am stories. Not that guy anymore, but I love being Mr to M. be you know? Don't be afraid. Thank you for saying that you don't be afraid to put yourself out there because. We've all got hearts underneath the skin. No matter who we are what we look like. And a? We get up in were at the scene. Things may not go to work. We pray the the our family and our friends are safe, you know. We're all in. For the same things. Snowman says my dad has been gone for eleven years. I'm. Young I'm so sorry to hear that and I know father's Day could be tough for. Those that when Dad's not around and That, that's that's the thing, too. But the memories are most important thing and there's going to be a time when my dad's not here or. My first you know, but it's what we make now, and that's the best thing doc Apollo says. My son isn't my blood, but I'll never love him any less. You know. That's. That's true. You don't have to be blood yet, just have to. Be a family and we were family here behind the steel curtain dot com. And the thirty six, watching the live live chat right now. You're talking to me at nine thirty on father's Day. In the morning you're hanging out with me that. That feels like respect in. Man You make me feel good for doing this so when Lance told me. Earlier in the week and yesterday buddy take the day off. You. Don't have to have show and I was like you know what she did. Take the day off, but. I want to do this because. I want to talk about and I I I just want to. Spend, time with my other family. I'm GONNA spend plenty of time with my family, but being on with my. Family is very important. Light. Sorry Lifelong Seven sorry snowman. My Dad has also been gone for almost two years now. Yeah and I wasn't trying to bring everybody now. But We've got blessings in our life man. We've got blessings. And, there might be. Petty differences. You, know we we might have petty differences might have some differences that we can't. Get through, but you know what. Remember what's important to you and. Make you count? If you haven't seen somebody for a while when you have this disagreement. May Maybe A. Means enough to him. Men's but. I'm not here to preach I'm. Showing my love, and I just want to say everybody happy father's Day. No matter who you are. You don't have to be a dad to celebrate this day. Just celebrate this day, and it's a good one or two thousand twenty. Make this a great day, Dave! Shipley says. We are family with a heart. In. That's it. We are family in I love you all so. Happy Father's Day to all of you. Happy Father's Day to everybody se thanks for spending the last hour with. A guy crying. But they're tears of joy. And may you all have? Tears of joy in your life. I'll talk more on the preview. It's not going to be. Excuse me, not the preview. What am I saying? I'm on the Cuna with Tony. Del. I'll talk to you then. Until then thank you so much for spending the time with me. Happy Father's Day to all of you I. Love You all and. We continue to be family together. BE PSE forever.

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