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2002 Week 01: Steelers @ Patriots

Patriots Dynasty Podcast

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2002 Week 01: Steelers @ Patriots

"This is Christine Brown and while I have to listen to this podcast. As my motherly duty, you have the choice not to my son's sometimes say some naughty things where they're trying to be funny, but really they're just being stupid. You still want to listen. Go right ahead I am not your mother. Welcome back! Loyal listeners. Keep listening. Keep doing this and now we're doing a second season. This is the two thousand two NFL season and we're starting here week. One Patriots Banner Night's. Opening their new stadium with a skip debris, season or what? Did you wash a preseason? I watched every game. On kmby, grow Han. Davies Future. Let. Let's back a little bit because we could talk about some offseason stuff censuses week one. There were some there was some big changes in the off season. The biggest one being drew bledsoe is no longer a New England patriots. and has gotten traded to the bills. Light Up Green your don't. Going up north to the buffalo is an Orchard Park. New York Yep wider pastures. Of Greenery happening up, there don't think but I'm sure we'll see him. A in future episodes, but yeah, let's talk about S-. Off Season what happens, there was. Some interesting. There wasn't really anybody else who got. Glenn CEO Ida. Off to the packers which we talked about the office in our. Last season with the the bi week deep dive Atari Gwen. We're actually. And not well on the packers I don't think but then. We'll get back to his normal. Productive self when he would reconnect with bill. parcells on the cowboys Andrew Buds triplets as well. Yes, he would, also you yeah, they would all get back together gang. Also big loss Rod Rutledge the was he the leading tight end. In two thousand one I think he may have. Deals because he was the only tied achy colony until the playoffs. Role True, then our boy. Way Germain wigand. What does he do connery now. is He still on the radio? Hey. I think? I know I. Don't think it's on radio. I think he's on the wait. Is Wigan on math I thought he was on like one of those late nights. He knows on Boston side I think he was on the morning. Show took over for Who is the racist Tahhan? Yeah. Yeah I think he took over for him at races. Talk show host in Boston yeah. They brought in. They got well as him and whoever the other guy was. Who was always Minahan? Yeah, I liked million. He to. he got old fast for me. He was a good interview he was. He was a really good interviewer though I mean he did not pull any punches. It didn't matter who they were interviewing. He he was. He was pretty solid. Yeah! He left to start his own podcast on Barstool so now it's They got the guy from Af. The morning shows Naef. Greg Hill Yeah Greg Greg. I'll just keep doing your job Andy Iskoe. This is this is what we do we. I I haven't listened to. The Guy just haven't listened to much IAE. Lately. Like the guy then. The bosses talk talking all. It's fucking worst awful it so much better. What he says that in North Carolina, it's hilarious. Elect the hurricanes dropped another one, but you know they'll get next game. All right, not just because they're negative about a different team. They're just less negative in general. Oh Yeah. Yeah last native across the boy, they even like make fun of Boston sports daily segment of like his off Mawson's warts radio. It's hilarious. We should do that and just have connor on. Two Bills Bills Radio is pretty good too You Got Brendon. Obviously, I have to hear you know. Ricochet Bills Radio from time to time and. God the Depression in their voices. And and and the lack of optimism. Fell draft? Tragedy born. I know joked about doing a browns on Brown's podcast, but I think that'd be really interesting just to hear how. Cleveland Sports. Is there Cleveland Sport Soccer Radio. Court sure there is yeah. You think you're going to have it just like. At this point now browns hardcore. Just like bill like Buffalo Sports Radio. You know you know sneaky depressed Detroit. I don't think that's very sneaky. Detroit Cleveland Right there. That little pocket who voice pocketed sadness rust, belt. What else we got from the off season. The draft who draft yeah. I know. Connor has thoughts about this draft. Does, he want couldn't wait to share why INCR- earlier. What an incredible draft I mean! Out Row Han, Davey or anti and Antoine Roma Womack. And I mean that just looking at knowing what we know now and seeing their careers. Incompletion. Daniel Graham, Jarvis, Green Dion branch, and then David Givens in the seventh. Yeah, that's. Was He'll. Pick, she. Yeah, he. Thing! How many he had so many big catches for than those the two thousand and three in two thousand four season, but yeah, what a what a steal! You're just Mr Reliable Tom. Who's the guy that moved the chains? Every time ahead is Jersey. David Given searcy Yep. Rail any hasn't. Heard! Like, never played again. Your Fault Yeah Yeah. and. And even like Jarvis Green, he was. He was never a superstar, but he was solid for years and he was. Just is a really really really good draft, obviously beyond being the highlight dion branch being the highlight. As true I think the the newspapers were were big on. The Patriots drafting their drew bledsoe replacement in Rohan, Davey. They were big fucking Van Hab. Yeah or ANAHUAC at arm. Yeah I I! Remember people were gushing Ram. Jamaican! Born in Jamaica. Really Wow got a roster quarterback. Arena. Arena League legend to. Was He I think he played a couple of years. I'm surprised at how many people were discovering who? Spent time in the NFL. And now we got to bring it back corner. Have you heard of the L. A.? Okay, so? Andy told me one of you guys doing like a spotlight. On it after your interview with Matt Chatham House. Them Chatham Matt Chatham. You're not from around here. Asked. Kid All right. Chatham. Sorry about that pojects no I really I I have no idea I have no idea anything about it I. didn't even look into it. I figured you guys. We're going to talk about it. You have to listen to the episode that comes out. We cap for two hours. Fire Season of the show. I watched ten episodes. Of like. A hard knocks version of for arena football. Team sponsored by. The Rock. Band is that what it is that what it is. Is it like a scene similar oh. Okay. Okay I think I could get behind I think. I could get behind this race electric. Highly recommend speaking of Titans Kiss has some tight end though. Some other. In Free Agency the Patriots seem to want to address the tight end position this year since I didn't have one the year before brought in Cam Cleland from the saints. And our all our altering Christian foyer from the seahawks. You start on the Seahawks, isn't he? Now, it's not worth it. Yeah I remember I remember. Looking at briefly and he didn't do much. Oh fucking hell. He played on the seahawks fire since ninety five to two thousand and one Jesus Christ. I thought he was younger than that when he came to the Patriots, not. Only he's not Christian. He's Jewish. Seven years with the seahawks. Seven touchdowns four years with the Patriots. He caught thirteen, so remember that time that he was suspended from. For Making Fun of Don Yee I do remember that. Speaking via. I. Mean that that's kind of what happens. Is that the sports agent is it. Is They Don. YIKES! Worry. I have a trivia question for yes. Alright who caught more balls in yards? Cam, Cleland and this year or the costs in the past year. Oh Fuck Cam Cleland Damn clue. He already catch like two balls in the first game. Yeah. He had six catches. I, think this game. He ends up with sixteen grabs for one hundred twelve yards. Damn. About as much as any came, its titans combined now. Lacrosse one hundred thirty one yards in your face cam. showed him. You're supposed to be like legit right like Cleveland. or Did he get her he did he get hurt. He came out of the gate with six catches. I mean it was only forty yards, but he. Said you six targets six options first game. I wonder if he got hurt or if they just. I have no idea. So he does get a touchdown I. Actually had a note about this. He gets touchdown in this game I. Believe Right this game I don't think. Oreo the touchdown I'm working at his. Kapadia and says when he was a rookie with the saints, he was struck in the eye by a teammate with a sock filled with coins during a hazing incident. What the early lost is i. in addition to suffering, a broken is socket and broken nose. The injury permanently affected his eyesight. Lord. while. I might. Be Incognito. One of the referenced articles. That is. A WILD Wild Story. I mean sock Philly, you can now compared. Yeah, compared to like pc culture now I mean. Someone did that in today's game and. You know they didn't rape. It's not raped or beaten up kids, so they'd probably like suspend them for a year. Say hit someone in the eye with. sock filled with coins. It's probably what does he joining a gang well? How good the guy who hit him was probably I'll do some research and let you know right if you. Could that'd be great. We'll do a deep dive on now. VISIT WHOLE LA Times article on it. Is, that's kind of the big changes for the off-season The wasn't a ton of turnover really. On this patriots team other then. Drew Blood Tone Terry Glenn. Brian Cox on the saints. Which? You didn't play much down the stretch. Did. He not play much at the end of two thousand one. Not really he broke his leg middle the season and then came back and played on it. But was not the same guy, so couldn't really couldn't. Much, so he was, he was like a just a run stopper on short yardage down. Yeah, I liked. I liked old man i. think what are you wear, number, ninety, two or ninety, five or something like that? I like Brian Cox. He. FOR THE SAINTS I don't and then he got into coaching and coached a match Adam when he went to the jets, they were didn't see eye to eye when they're on the Patriots if I recall. And the opponents, tonight was the Pittsburgh steelers who also really hadn't changed much. Their team was basically the same as well. And commentators actually mentioned that were basically. Almost exact rematch of the AFC championship game the year before because both teams were the same. Except even though the steelers defense was the same. They struggled a lot. First dealers. Even thank. The same divas finished sixteenth in points allowed. which is what mill the table? And seven yards allowed. It's not bad, but they gave a shit ton of passing yards of rushing touchdowns for some reason which actually saw. Kind of in this game with the patients decided they weren't gonna run the ball and just spread them out. and. Just gasoline desk, so we ranked actually twentieth in passing yards, allowed and twentieth in rushing touchdowns allowed so. There's a blueprint warily. Their. Secondary must have must have just been abysmal because that's maybe the best linebacking core. I've ever seen in my entire life. There's a big news the steelers. Jason Guild in. Ferrier. Remember Hendro Joey Porter Kindle Bell. Kendra bell was so many second year. Yeah James Harrison. Dot. The heiress another year, yeah! No. Wasn't really yeah. He's undrafted. Undrawn. fucking and they also have wary foot Larry foote was no slouch. Either Larry had some good years in the league. I mean this was a linebacker. Mike couldn't crack, and now he's starting on the Patriots and winning Super Bowls building. Yeah! He was the only one that did any of this game. I think, but I mean having settled at the the steelers could get almost no pass. Rush in this game. Whatsoever he this is the first two drives all time sack leader in the steelers and still is. Who is killed ill? Yeah, he was a monster. Affair. Fair, he was also the only one still celebrating. Down Three touchdowns in the fourth quarter when he makes a tackle for a loss. GotTa style that that steelers Eve Eso. Case. Ahead not go ahead. How you? GonNa say there. There dealing wasn't bad either Casey Hampton I remember all these names like Hagan's Chemo Chemo. Yeah I mean defense. Never seen. Classic Football Name Right there. Cuando from. Two of those linebackers guild and imported would actually make the pro bowl along with hines ward. Who is still hate to this day and anchor their guard I? Of course, you do because you're an asshole, too. Good. Your it Asshole to Steve. You got it right. I think is compete level. Yeah, because you're an asshole. Yeah, that's true on both counts transit of property. I think that works so recognize real. And, the the the new face on this offense was Antwan, randle El, also Fanta, but mostly a return man. The season well is Swiss army knife. Was Yeah. He was there brown according to John Madden. A college quarterback right? was that, was it not it wasn't. It wasn't I almost said V tack, but that can't be right. I can't remember where he went to school. I got you. Thanks. Would Act Guy. You went to Indiana. Back. Yeah. Maybe not elegant I'll get back to you on that. There was a who is the seals by? That threw a touchdown pass in the Super Bowl. Most positive. It's Randall against the seahawks. I thought it was. His Fun Farry and then they and they talked right, and they talked about him playing quarterback in college I sort of goodness. Yeah He. Yeah, he was the first player in division wind history to pass for forty touchdowns and score forty career rushing touchdowns. He also played. For the Indiana basketball team. Which? Like. Italy program wait dual sported at Indiana under coach Bob Knight. What a monster! That's impressive does pretty sick. Yeah? See like I can eat a dick. Though yeah, he almost didn't get it yet to sit out a year before going Indiana. Because of low sat scores No. Dominant. Sat's don't translate football, but what was community service still? You know well rounded applicant. So we actually saw Kordell Stewart again this game. But he would not last long. On the season he got benched week four because he couldn't stop throwing interceptions. started doing. From the Gecko in this game, you WANNA get into it. Let's be really didn't stop doing that. Right through two picks to close out the AFC championship game comes right back goes over three to I. Was Sure To pick on his first three passes. Both of those two were actually back to back, so he threw interception came right back in his added one wasn't enough in through another one immediately. To to Mike Cradle of all people, which is hard to do. That He. Didn't see him like he go. That was bad. But I have to say he can. He can Hukou football deep from any body position like he's running sideways and diagonally backwards and just like just slings at like he's. Skipping rocks, and it goes sixty yards. You y'all. Remember his nickname rate. Slash. A YEAH! I don't know. Why didn't he play a bunch of positions to? quarterback in mind receiver. Yet running back and all that shit about to get. A Randall. He got drafted to for Major League Baseball. What, about Kordell Stewart I dunno too deep into Randall l right now. So but I wanted to touch on somebody who I. I found fascinating. This was doing my research and that was the guy who took over. Fair Kordell, Stewart. And that was my boy Tommy Maddox. Pittsburgh legend Tommy maddox apparently. He played in the AFL. Just like everybody else new. Jersey red dogs. did okay and also played out the original xfl if you remember that with, he hate me. and. Was the league MVP for that one? He actually got drafted by the broncos. He was supposed to be always replacement, and then you know. Obviously wasn't. Is a first round pick. By back, only mathematics was a first round tech. By the broncos though so. L.! We had a hand in it I I always thought he was just like a journeyman. I never realized that he had. Career before like I. Remember him coming there. Be Like Oh. Yeah! I played xfl in that. I didn't realize that you already had an NFL career. Yeah he he had he'd been around the game for awhile. Because he from he was already a journeyman. He played for Denver for two years. The rams and the giants. And then took what six years off. To play for the XFL and the AFL and then came back to the NFL because he was the xfl league MVP, the steelers picked him up and now he was backing up Kordell Stewart. And then he came in, and all he did was I don't know which game it was. It was one of his earlier games. He set the. Week ten against the Falcons. He set the steelers record for passing yards in a game. With four, hundred, seventy three. In game of the steelers would go onto Thai. Thirty four, thirty four, which has got to be like. The worst tie in NFL history. That's that's probably worse than like a three three shootout that ends in a tie juice. Blue Ball SORTA. Come on, right. And then the week after. Against the Titans He. Got Hit. As. He was throwing tripped over somebody at apparently they hit, left him briefly paralyzed, and he was taken to the hospital on a stretcher. Yeah right, but then came back in time for the playoffs, the playoffs to the Ravens. Now sorry to the titans actually went lost the titans again. In a shootout thirty, one thirty four. Lost in overtime, so he is one of the more fascinating stories that I had no idea about because. The only reason I recognize the name Tommy. Maddox is because I'm pretty sure. I had his rookie card. Is Football Card back in the day. Nineteen ninety-two Gallia. We were collecting football God's bag. That was I nine. Peak, football cards and it. Wasn't just that? twinkle in your father's I in nineteen, ninety, two, I was three years old four years old. Sounds about right. Yeah I was five I. Don't remember Shit from nineteen. Ninety two. I was not I barely remember except for my time. Matic's UCLA. Rookie Guard. Probably that would have been worth money now. If I knew was going to be next, a felon would have it. But you know easy. Come easy go new. Jersey, red dogs is a pretty sick name. I wonder if that's related to the beer. I. If it wasn't. They missed a great opportunity? Did, talk about branding. That's. Like free giveaways at the game. All the beers cost money except for red dogs. which you can get as many as you want. They live mascots ship as the whole time. There's a lot to do that. He's got the Tucher gummy. Just shoot now Kansas read, Doug Apparently able. Deo is another way Alway la extreme, the xfl right. Yes, yeah. Did. He have a nickname. Tommy maddox! Yeah, remember he's. Yeah. He's been nicknamed in the back of their jerseys. Dude Yeah. TM twelve. Yeah, I mean. He is pretty white, so he probably just went with Maddix. Probably Tommy! That's the guy is. Don't go by Tommy like you're if you're a grown man like Gandhi. I'm Andrew Thank you very much. How dare you call me hated? Reserved for my mother, stop it. Greg, Greg don't. By Gregory. NY. Sounds pretty tired. That parenting is with that is. Thomas Alfred medics. And he goes by Tony White. is human ever go by Tom Bud? Alfred though. Alfred. Sure as gone by Ta Matic's. Right and TA Matic's. He's a fucking. Writer of short stories. Luckily we didn't have to. We didn't have to see Ta Matic's plan this game. It was all Cordell and. He was generous. I thought. Even starting from his first driving through an interception by our friend Terrell Buckley. who was on my favorite back in the day before we get too far? Should we talk about a banner raising the opening ceremony? It's Gillette game. Here yes I! have notes about about that all right here. Well I I don't WanNa go I mean. Did everyone get to watch any of it like the? G G guys see the Dennis Hopper opener. Yeah do what was it? Run US through. So Dennis Hopper you know I think would. Like US was the first game of the NFL season I think there was the first televised game of or was. That is right, wasn't it? Wasn't that at first televised? Damon that season? There's a Sunday night game, so is the first so they're. A primetime game it was a Monday it was. It was a Monday? I got it yeah. Yeah it was it was a Monday night game and. Dennis, hopper is just like. You know recapping the Patriots Miracle Season from the year before talking about the young kid Tom Brady, and then he gets into the snowball game with the Tuck, rule any like. Is just like the abominable snowman with like. White Paper Confetti. Fake Snow like it was the coordinating is. It was the corneas thing I've ever seen. And I thought I was going to be the thing that the thing that pissed me off the most, but no Nick Nick Carter from the backstreet boys. On the shoulder. To sing the national anthem for the fucking banner raising night for the Patriots me off so bad knitted. Carter I was disgusted. I love it I love. It's like I like the backstreet boys. Kinda, but I was I was just appalled seeing that. Was An odd choice, but they also coming back from commercial one of the. Like the the coming back into it things. They had nickelback song onto. Caught up. NICKELBACK? Maybe getting nick. Maybe getting Nick Carter to sing. The national anthem in thousand into is like. A huge deal and I just don't realize it, but. From around here, Nick Carter. Local. Boy I Nick Atta I. Feel like you'd want somebody who's like Moran here. No He's telling nationally televised game. The Boston Globe is pretty pissed off about it to. Jeff Jeff, Wagon Heim. One of his best and worse was Ah Backstreet boy singing in quotations the aunt. And then in parentheses, wasn't it past bedtime for Teeny boppers question Oh shit. Come. That's old. Man Yells at ground I mean. I'm going to throw. Connor category do? I? Mean it's a song. We can't have like a singer Swansong before a game. What's wrong with that? I. I don't know if I. You would just think that they could find someone. More impressive all. Night. Nick Nick. Nick. Carter is nick. Carter is from New York I don I. Don't know it just again. It is old man that yells at Cloud I. was watching the game. fucking eighteen years later today. And I was just like what is this? I can see both sides of it on one hand. Again. Nick Carter Thousand Two pretty fucking famous Yup? Probably that's probably the flip flipside is you haven't as guy with frosted tips. That also matched Lonnie Paxton's new. And like is that really the tone you want to be setting with your football team for the season John Madden was all about giving tax and shit for what happened to his hair. Fell into his hair. Was Dick euless. which probably talking about John Madden, too? Because this was his. First game on the ABC. And it's risky with Al Right now. Michael, Yeah Yeah. That was. Wasn't, he said it was the first time since one thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, nine had there wasn't an NFC team involved in the game us calm. Shit. Time Yeah, because all. It used to be on Fox and. See Exactly. So he did have one mess up. Well one of many. Of the second quarter. As like replaying screen, and there's three defenders on the screen and he's like this guy right here. Do you circles? And two of. Other guy. The Not, circling the guy you're supposed to watch. And then there was the play where they were replaying. Troy Brown's toe tap catch. And was going to replay and I called it a catch, so bill cower tried to challenge it, and then the overruled it and called me complete so ballot challenge it. And Madden seemed to think it was blatantly not a catch, so he decided to go on a tangent. While they kept replaying, it was obviously a catch and it was going to get overturned to catch. And it took them a good five minutes like of a couple of different stores before somebody must attacked him on the show and be like. Hey, by the way by talking about this because it's, it's going to be a catch. Is Oh. Look at this. You guys see what I'm saying, yes. Yep Jeff Wagon Heim from Boston. Globe comment on that as well. Let's hear. Apparently, the rats said that Brown drug, his other foot inbounds rather than dragged, said Jeff said that was. The worst drug test of the game. Guys like Greg Easter big. The Internet. Typical Jeff Wagon Hyman my right. I wonder if he's still doing things. Now, it doesn't Seem Racist Jeff Wagoner Jeff Wagon high on twitter. He doesn't know how to use it. When you come to a fork in the road, take it. Yeah, that's. That's his quotas by Yogi. BERRA's him. Oh Man What's your favorite Yogi? Bear quote, nobody goes or already it's too crowded. Yes, my favorite to. Gets laid out there early. To. Speak an early. If. We're talking about the crowd and his game. There was a thing in the Boston Globe about how great the traffic flow was. fucking right. Now at at. And the they're only praise was that they were planning on opening? The the stadium an extra hour early at four PM for this. What nine o'clock game? Time, it started. Nine o'clock but because people had arrived so early, the traffic was starting back, so they opened it at three thirty. Just let everybody in early enough to get super fucking drunk. And they. They felt drunk to me well, never gone to a few games over the years like this. This crowd was fucking rowdy. They started a madden chance at the end like atom. Monday night football. You just come off a super bowl raising a banner brand new stadium. I flew. Will. They didn't know that. I battled little bigger. They don't fucking not the last one, and then you'd better meeting innovate and all a world war. What until the second one happened? Surprisingly there? They were underdogs. The pats going in yeah, they were three point dogs, which I found surprising for this was They show the first time since eighty three that the champs were underdogs in their season opener. Yeah Shit Stop. Thompson Book Bullshit L. Teacher Yeah. We should stay. Say The final score. What was it? Thirty four. Pack which we'll get to. That close wasn't even nearly because we were in that. It was thirty to seven really. We'll get to that during the. Alley in this game. This is officially Gillette by this point right? Yeah, yes, yeah, it was no longer. We don't know what happened. Nobody ever said what happened from CNN. I feel to Gillette, but they announced. Gillette field well. I I read an article in the Hartford current about it. As you, do yeah. Stock. was like the hottest thing in the street. As. Recently as January, two thousand. One, hundred sixty three dollars a share. And then. By off. Yeah well. It was that in nine eleven I guess. Yeah. I think nine eleven kind of like the DOT com bubble happened, and then nine eleven happened just kind of like crushed any. Anything that was left of right there. On the stock market so when everything? There was no money out there for them. But went from one hundred sixty three dollars, a share to forty cents a share in like a year now gone. So. Lost, a shit load of mine. got. That's brutal well. That explains I. Don't have the. The rights to the naming of the stadium I guess Yup. She's E, take stock. Paying ten million dollars a year for the rights. That's reasonable. This stay in business perspective yeah. Yeah. I wonder if you have to sign a multi year thing though. It was one fourteen for fifteen years. Wow, but then the stadium itself only costs three twenty five. So you're getting a good chunk of money back. Wonder wonderful has to be paid up front I. He isn't the raiders. Stadium or the Rams, stadium and billion. Bra All that money's like all inflate and everything anyway nowadays. At the time, it was at the time as a ridiculous amount of money to spend on a stadium on top of the money that he spent on the team itself right. Out We'll, we'll do a deep dive on our 'cause. That's or we got talking about. I had to feed my dog. Stadium. Yeah sorry, sorry, I cool Bray I remember when it first when. It wasn't a Brag I'm sorry he's. Itchy? anyways, you guys like that open concept. I wouldn't I yeah I. DO I don't know if it's still the allure from when I was younger and like the. That, big archway with the open concept seems like it was pretty. Cutting Edge, not cutting edge like a new. A new design at that time. Going on what eighteen years now that thing being what is so for an eighteen year old stadium? Greg? I duNNo. I go back and forth. Like I like it because of you think that Murray. But I I. I don't think it has anything to do with. How the stadiums designed. To me, it's Kinda like me. I think stadiums fine the coal experience with the route one. Really her right and you go to other stadiums around like this stadium like way better. Whole Process of everything. Redskins Games a great it. In time. ENSKILDA, sweet or like Seattle. Stay thing because. Do, you think it's because. Our tailgate is so blah that you walk into the stadium, not feeling. And Yeah fired because after after bills tailgate I. Don't walk in and I. Know It's a Shithole walk in and I'm like God places Shithole I'm all pumped because there's just. Like the best tailgate on my life whereas Gillette. Everyone is just kinda like. I don't know maybe in two thousand, one or two thousand and two people were had a little more pep in their step, but. Going back and recent these past these past couple years. It's just people are just sitting around like. A, Steph, where the best like Guy I. Don't you know I'll maybe you know exactly? I think even just watching I remember the feeling washing games back then compared to now, and I felt it again recently, when Brady was suspended for the first four games of whatever season was eighteen. and. You would go into the game his first game back. No, no those first four games. Just. Right yeah, and you go into them and it had a completely different feeling because. I realized that. Over the years you'd go into the game expecting the Patriots to win, and now you have this the stress of them living up to your expectations, and if they didn't you get all this wagon, all pissy. Because an all playing like that, they can sort of thing whereas when you had Jimmy G. and there was like. Hey, maybe they'll win this. Maybe they won't, but at least exciting. Let's find out and I think. That part of it I think it's probably what's missing from. Patriots tailgating these days. Yeah I mean. You don't really even care I don't WanNa. Say don't care about you. Don't really even care about the Games until the playoffs. This pet, these path like you. The winds the Wednesday meeting. Nobody! Just such A. Win that started. I I would say probably from like the two thousand seven season on. Right I think when we were pre one. Those first three were still Kinda spunky. You know spunky fan base like we still have like. You know we're finally starting to success with the socks you know. We're like the miserable Boston Fan. It's just it was. It was groomed in red sox misery, so we brought that like chip on it. We brought that chip on our shoulder like over into football season, and with our patriots fans And then we just became like just hockey and didn't really get up for games probably I smell like as soon as. As soon as Brady, took over his offense and and became. Elite at what he was doing like. You said in two thousand. You've made even two thousand six. He was dragging the team along with them. And, so you just never felt like you're actually out of any game and you kind of expected him to win it every time. Though it came with this expectation of if they don't do it. You're disappointed and Tom Brady because he didn't do what he normally does. I hope they win this game and like a unique way that I remember. Yeah, exactly you have many. In browns and bills fans. You're pissing off right now. Because fucking Patriots podcast literally earlier today I had about Lions Fan. Try to tell me is talking himself into Matt Stafford. As League MVP. On Lake six thousand plus thousand. He's like yeah man. It's like she not a bad bet. I was like okay. Let me know how. Who are they throwing to go? I could even she's. Got A nicotrol. GRONK did anything that's his. He's like this is my cycle. You know I'm at the point right now. Where like shipment? Anything's possible exactly? What's most possible that they're like twenty five year like playoff streak continues. Yeah I think that is. What part of July is really nice? Though is, they're drunk tank. Yeah. Explained to me under the well. I actually don't know where it is. Or you don't remember where that's correct. Very cavernous, though so I thought it was under the stadium, but I'm not positive with very roomy looking. Yeah, yeah! All, right that's that's nice any any accoutrements. I was in there with another kid. Didn't like me. was that. I don't know, don't remember. Was the game on. Baying on the window, I tell me the score and there were no. Jesus Christ. Name. Kelly's learn about your brothers me up. With your in laws. That's correct. Can't, MR early days to. God blessing God and they're still stuck around. Yep. I mean. In In Gillette! Securities Defense you are insufferable. Yes, absolutely black with once you. Once you get past that level you are you're you're pretty insufferable? In terms of I mean I personally love it because it's usually directed at. Bills Fans. We go to build things together so and that's always fun. you've certainly gotten some RV tires slashed. Do to you. Oh, yeah! It could have been wrong. Get rocks throwing. Rocks thrown at us. Rocks thrown at us, yeah. Greg Pierce rights you, didn't you? When you're sitting on top of the hour of. Give it? That's annual. That's commonplace dislike. Jesus and we we, we're GONNA get into this game, but I wanNA talk about it I'll just to say well. We've been talking. Kordell Stewart just hundred inception. You're probably talk about that, so yeah I was GonNa talk about you WanNa, talk about Cordell. Go ahead. You have the floor. I was just GonNa I. I was just GonNa say that. With all the offseason, talk about like. You know Tom Brady. Was This just a fluke. Israel Davey GONNA. You know up, settle, you know. Take the starting job at some point. and. Defending Brady and Yeah Big Dick Tawny. HAD HIMSELF A game. I mean I wanted. He sixty seven percent completion percentage AC- hair under three hundred yards, no picks three TV's just came out there and was just laying. Yeah, obviously. Our tending to run the ball. No. No our defense granted and great spots all throughout the game. There's just Tana turnovers What a statement from Tom. I thought. He function new faces to I mean Dionne branch had a huge game six receptions that Cam Cleland I mean he was. Throwing at all over the field resilience of drops in the bucket. Pork, because the steelers pick. They turned into nothing. Go three and out. Of Line Field Yeah. They got touchdown on. That was the first ever points scored in the new Gillette. Stadium Christopher Little! Trivia! Thing, yeah Christian for you. And outgoing, but even that drive was only because the seals have committing penalties on third down defensive holding. Jumping off sides on sorts of bullshit. steelers got some they a going right. They had that bullshit. Pass fearance on time. Tile Gregor W watch his game 'cause law. This is an you know what I'm actually. A little pissed that you didn't get to see his game because. This I thought you were going to actually join me on the dark side because the reason. The pass interference calls. We're getting called on. Thailand was because hines ward was flopping all over the place and any time. You wasn't gonNA. Catch the ball. He just kinda like flopped over onto ground, antilock getting called for Bass happened twice once the end zone. He he was. The that's literally Hines Ward's. He was the best in the league that he was known. You, so he's doing that and yeah, he's like starting fights after after turnovers and stuff and he's just like. He's obviously known for his his. We'll call them. Generally, his borderline blocks crack back blocks on people who is injured and stuff. Just, not a fan of them although to be fair. He not an team eleven. Money is oh. Yeah and. In his defense. There's a lot of people looking to get their shots in on him. So even if you caught the ball went to ground, nobody like tagged him down. They fucking jumped on him like helmet, I! And especially law Malloy, who was just going and heavy literally every time he was even close to the ball, and he just like pop back up. He's like yeah. I get it. gave the guy on the button title the next play that was like elite Thai law years too, and he still had a game. Today. He had like ten tackles. Back. Hindsight added that one touchdown on him. He got him pretty good. Getting over on the defense in the motion. You've been a pretty clean. But that. On that first drive the second half for water. Or they call too Pi's Ontai. Bullshit. So see the ball first and goal from the one. They fall fuck apart with the REX call a false start, which was also bullshit, which wasn't there. Yeah, that was a bad call, and then Chris Mata Ma follow like had the ball knocked away from him by lawyer someone after the play. It's personal foul. Then they kicking a field goal, and they have a false start. He's named. Paul. And then it cuts hours. Face a baby. was. It was like it was the bill. Cower faces up there. I think on the Pantheon of. Annoyed phases. Manning brothers! Yeah, he's definitely like that kind of that. That jaw whereas mouth almost becomes like non existent, and it's all bottom chin. Is Extends passes knows it's ridiculous. It's fantastic, yeah. And that was that was peak. Because yeah, they did. I actually wrote it down because they get a first down. I like you, said I and go from the one and then. They get backed up on penalties. And then they complete a pass on third down to fool Mata Maa follow one bad ma, follow exactly so he gets tackled at the one or the two right so chip shot field goal, but then lawyer Malloy does is bullshit like the. From? Mafele tries to reach the house like knocks out of hand. And so he gets up and pushes malloy in the chest and gets a fifteen yard penalties. Now they kick it from the fifteen. which still makeable Phil Goal, but then they they do a false start, which moved them back another even further back and then they missed the field goal. Wide left the take all back down and hit the exact same field goal from Ventura. Exactly. And Jeff Jeff Wagon Heim, said that that was the best bus stop. There was a lot of bus stops. I. Don't know if that's the best one. There was one that I think. It was Willie mcginest. Just came off the edge and the bus tried to do was like it wasn't. Even a sweepers just like out are off tackles thing. And just random over like he was. UH playing football back in the day where I was like a foot taller than all of you and tackle, you will like whatever angle. It didn't matter if you had the The momentum or anything like you're just hit me and you just fall over and it looked J. I don't remember this at all that either. Of course you don't. It's all the concussions I gave you. Open up half to with the. Donald Hays touchdown. Actually a really nice turn after you get the ball in the awesome blocked by Dionne Doll Hayes who we saw. At the end of last season, regular season, playing for the panthers, and he's the one that had a couple of football's come off his hands that were returned for Hutch downs. And they were like like what by St there? Let's this guy exactly. I, this sparked my thought this Cam Cleland I was like what are the skill position players that we've got in? That haven't touched down because they'll know that list of Brady touchdown passes. It's on Donald. Hayes and CAM CLEVELAND, or on it like who couldn't crack that group. I couldn't find them. People who've played more than eight games of Brady and still couldn't catch A. Td I. Will Actually you know you? Weird one Stephen Bradley. That's true. Yeah, he never caught a touchdown pass. Yeah, you didn't really catch to watch though still. Had like four years as a starting tailback. We get one in there some point you would think some screeners. Yeah, so you can you guys named the top five. Receivers Ranch Welker, Prong Maas Welker. Ranch. Yeah so it's Gronk Element Moss. welker James White. Sake. And then the branches six. Number seven. Theoretical question for Connor. WHO's a bigger? Data Pan or branch. who was what who's like more legendary Patriots Blair. Branch or patent. Oh God I the only the only huge branch. I remember more legendary. David Patten catches the one in the back of the end zone. was that the one from drew bledsoe in the back of Enzo Andrew had the step and are. They able branch I. Yeah, but Brandt. Branch also won a super bowl MVP. That's a tough one. I remember more legendary catches probably. In, those Especially the first in will branch wasn't there. Two Thousand One David Patten at a bunch of catches throughout the playoffs in snow. Branch Branch was better patent. I Dunno sticks out more in terms of catches. Is Our analysis to yeah. I think it was patented, had the the more memorable catches because he also had that game where he ran paths, passed and caught a touchdown to. Dan's best, YEP, receiver! We've ever drafted in developed. There's a hot take. Right. Era Yeah. Either way they're like one eight one B right James White. America. You can put him on there. He's fifth on his team and touchdown catches. The radio. Jamie Blanco. That's fascinating. He's going to move to wide receiver this year. I'm calling right now interesting. Where though we're GONNA put them in the slot. They play. They play him out wide receiver all the time anyway, so they might as well. They play. Everybody Watches Evil Oh. Yeah, exactly. I mean the Patriots aren't afraid to throw a tight end up. They're not tight end. fullback out there. All the way back to the Mark Edward Days this game. Actually Trust me on the film review. I don't trust that. No. We have A. we have like a top three tight fullback this year, Danny, by towers. Can Cash. yeah, he's. What do you think about him the? Articles Oh boy. Justin in roar Wasser. Guess. He can kick it a country mile. I think it was one of those classic like he knew exactly what Tattoo was and. was just coasting until. It came up I. was draft and Now. He's crying on social media. Saying he's getting covered up. It's a classic. The story is all this time. Held. His name translates to. Justin pipe water. Does. Pass on Rodrigue. blankenship for in tap water. I just I can't believe I wanted. I wanted rod so bad. Agree easiest a fucking legend. Those glasses man that kid from Georgia yeah with with the REX becks yeah yeah, yeah. He's like a rapper like hangs out with all the whole. God really yeah. Yeah. He's awesome. His name's Rodriguez blankenship. Come on. As a kicker. You got half the sign that guy. Yeah Yeah, the colts got them right. Yeah. You went undrafted and signed. Will all right speaking of kickers though. Connors boy adamant Terry. Had himself some kickoff problems in this game all? Decided to. Write the in the third quarter kicking out of bounds. Kickoff fucking idiot timed. Time to hit the panic button. Where do you think kind so? Yeah? I think we should probably cut them in draft to. Draft the kicker in the third round. Maybe someone more accurate. Preferably somebody more accurate would be good. Yeah, but we'll statistically speaking. So well, Connor. I I want to bring this up. I wanted to bring this up to you. Because just to hammer my point of like you. Just you select the memory we were watching the. AFC Championship game from last year against the steelers right fate. The Patriots are up seven. And they're driving with like I. Don't know what to men's left something like that. He and they get a forty five yard field goal to basically win the game. It's GonNa. Make ten point game. Pushed it. gave the steelers another chance still interception, but if the steelers go down and score there, that's a whole different. A whole different perception on what Adam Vinatieri's career is. It was real yeah. Okay that's fair. COULDA WOULDA. The only it was the only field goal he missed. like I said I big teen on. Yet but guess what. We won the game, so no one remembers that you remember. But then I, defense won the game, so no one gives a shit about what the kicker did. When? PEOPLE REMEMBER IT When it loses. God I'm not. All right I have. To my questions. I. Pose your question. which which player has like the most catches, but no touchdowns from Tom Brady. Okay, Ooh, what era I? Guess it. Maybe probably not. Play two thousand seven to two thousand ten forty seven games. What position did you play? Running back. Ben Jarvis Green Ellis, no, he's on here though he did not catch one. Ben Jarvis had. Twenty six catches. Forty nine forty nine catches, no touchdowns. From the running back spot now, woodhead right, nope! Now, he's scored on the Gary. No? Must have one on. Damn. You I think he does actually. Ridley for reference had twenty three catches. Wow double that almost. FUCKING Really has the most games fifty two games that sense tell us four. Did I catch us? No, no, no, no, don't tell us just yet. That was more time to Google. Sanjay. Connor gotta saying more Hale. Did. Google really is a fucking wonder. DO IS I. I. Thought I heard Alexina Becker okay well. Well there is a there is other running backs to choose from on their besides. I almost asked if you were going like. If you're being coy and it was actually a fullback, but he's called them a running back just to throw us off. Because I almost said Heath Evans, but that would have been lie I think he's caught on James Devlin, never did. He did but it was in the playoffs James Stephenson. One, it was, it was one of those blows against the best. Just regular bluntly has one though against. Jacoby Myers is on this list. Myers, well yeah okay. I mean that's Sony Michel. Is A lot. Of people that have one though. Hollister twenty three Games Antonio Brown. He's got one Mr. big chest himself as many touchdowns as Matt. Mulligan does. I Miss Open for that matter. I miss him, too. I wish you still Antonio Brown. This sort of been a whole different season if we'd had in out Brown. Could've masks a lot, I mean not. That? We probably had to what the worst production from the tight end position in the history maybe in league history this year. just two thousand one patriots of probably argue. If. They probably give that a run for their money. It we just determined came. Cleveland was worse. But he wasn't the started. Daniel Graham. Who? Intents Berbers looks like a fucking wagon. I. Don't know how he didn't work out. Because that's a big man who moves quick, include a while while in the league and he didn't not workout. Wasn't. The GRONKOWSKI that. He looks like he should be. The looks like he has that same like speeding. And smoothness to his route running and stuff but. Ten years. Did. He play where you go to the saints. DENVER. DENVER, that's what it was hit. Watching. Yeah, yeah, what sounds good? One of these new graphics will be a good. Watching could he was a specimen coming out of college? I thought he was going to be I thought he was going to be. When I remember when we I think it was what Gaza and four when we drafted Watson. I thought he was going to be dominant. You so fast. He was kind of like. He's the one that ran down champion for Vernon. Yeah he did run. That was an incredible. That's. I'll never forget that by. Yeah no, it's Brenda rated speed of underrated. We talk about this fourth quarter. Fourth quarters under rated by the way it's overrated. Because this point, it's thirty seven Patriots. steelers have given up literally. What this has my best play in this? Does it yes. Okay! Let's hear. It actually didn't count. Going to be my best actually, my boy Roman Phifer. Willie, the other Willie mcginest. Wrecking plays. Bodies Kordell Stewart CINK. Kordell Stewart Rolls Out and decides to pump fake. To give themselves some more time and Willie mcginest doesn't take that Bait. And just lights him the fuck. Perfectly clean tackle and like interview. It wasn't a fumble right. Cordell Kinda held it until. Metal at the grand growl immediately shot out. So look like fumble in real time. So. Yeah Roman Phifer returned it to the house right yeah. But if you watch the replay of that. Willie mcginest gets up to go to recover the fumble and I think realizes that Pfeiffer is probably has the better angle, so he peels off blocks. Whoever the running back or the? Of the steelers running after. Yeah and that's what sprung in for the touchdown, but like you said it, it got overturned. The lady absolutely bodied him. It was that that was he really mcginest and ended up at thirty eight. We scored. We should another six seven on top of that yeah yeah. But yeah. It did also set up a third and thirty four which the steelers couldn't. Convert after this look. So Good Oh yeah underrated. A great name to. Pifer yeah. Also, way late in this when they're scraping for content. They cut to this guy in the Patriots booth called Bucko Kilroy. Which? Absolutely an amazing name who had spent like sixty years in the league or something I when I did a little research on him, because like what an amazing name, and lies in the pages booth, and I've never heard of this guy. He was the founder of the draft. Fuck Shit. He's shaped the modern super bowl as we know it now. He's. He's generally like the like the game 'cause. A championship. Tell Old sky was. he's generally known as the dirtiest player ever. Even John the broadcast calls him that. He is a Patriot scouting assistant and the reason he stopped is because he died. Oh, shit, he was. In the eighties. In his head out in the two thousands when we drafted Brady and Richard Seymour all these guys fucking hell. Bucko Bucko Kilroy Yeah. God Damn. SCUZ- a legend US, instrumental in drafting Roger Staubach yeah. He played for the Philadelphia Eagles. Awkward to team that they made it when they combined the steelers and the eagles. Yeah? I caught that name like there's gotTa. Be some story behind wise steelers. Emmy Eagles combined ads awesome. Can Kilroy. About the Beanie Steel I. Ne- I. Need A fucking. Kilroy Struggles Jersey. Prime Major. Just know when the player NFL history. Absolutely, yeah, they were. They were definitely a grasping at straws in terms of like content because they were focusing in on the Like the tray of all the medical equipment. Yeah. Yeah, talking about how they didn't know what any of it was. and John Madden to jokes. Something about what was it? Civil Mamata Airlines or thermometer airways is what it said. Sounds like a terrible box to open, but which I didn't know, he was afraid of flying. Clearly he must be. and. That's why they always had like that stupid trailer at all. That he would do right. Eat the Turkey after Thanksgiving from it. They put the player in the game. He had a fear. Flying Heyday was definitely a full-fledged like diagnosed phobia. Battery wouldn't fit in the seat. I. Mean you remember that part of the plan the? Remember that Boston, the little giant remember when he made his cameo in the little giants like Bruce Smith and A. Me! That's a fucking deep. Cut Right there God do. which there's actually content on the field to like we had really bodied people. and. The steelers scored a last second absolute garbage time td oh. My God this was fucking brutal was a super mad. This is shades of when the Patriots of blowing out the colts last year. The colts kept calling time outs. They get the ball back and then they threw in their backup quarterback. Felt like yeah. There was literally no reasons go down. Thirty to seven. Under two minutes left and they're just like. Pulling out all the stops. If they're running, trick plays. They're running no huddle. They're like desperate to get in the end zone and Cordell. Scores a touchdown because he can't figure out to the ball across the plane instead of his feet. and. Tedy Bruschi was fucking livid about it. Like he had to get pulled off of the referee by multiple players. It was kind of like that. Bills gained. Thirty one nothing book and year. Yeah those are kind of driving down there on that game I totally understood the bills motivation. There was like yeah right. Lose that same score you beat us on week. One like I I was not like. What are you doing? Bills ears waste Cyrus. This was a lot more. Like what do you do in steelers? You wasting everyone's time? Yeah, they were. And so to the point where they scored one second left and the referees like what we're going to run. The clock offers not whereas doing. Latin, we'll go home is. Only about that last second. It's. No big deal so I think that brings us to best and worst Greg, did you? Did you have any best from your boy Jeff Wackenheim? He's got A. He's got a ton of Mir. Give me wagon hines. That's his best yeah. Just give you the to corneas ones. He's left on. The the worst impression, an impersonation of Terry Glenn. Christian for a number eighty eight in your program actually made onto the field, caught a TD pass and didn't get hurt. Shit. That's the bucket fire God Dale. And then worst superiority complex the steelers of claim, their AFC championship game losses a fluke. And that they were the better football team. Based upon their tackling last night. Maybe they meant best touch football team. Jeff Wagon Heim fire flames, just roessler. A week. More like touchable Baugh. How many more these do you have Greg Thirty? He has like no twelve fifteen the whole season here. and. I bet we can find them. Yeah, I definitely have. Some Jeff Waghorn and. Keep I got more of them for Future Games. Are Caught let's hear your best and worst MS game okay. I'll be. I got some good ones here So fast, here's here's. Here's a fun staff for you. Tom Brady was incredible. He had three touchdown passes, which matched his total for the last eight games of the two thousand one season. Regular eight in the last eight regular season, Games which we won all of Phnom Brady had a total of three touchdowns across those eight games, so he came out. I think he shot up a lot of the media. Pundits pundits. He probably shut up a lot of fan to were wondering if it was a fluke, he was awesome. you was Terrell Buckley Terrell Buckley was so underrated. You know being in that secondary with lawyer, Malloy and ty law. DROPE lucky luckily and even to Bucky Joan. He was just really solid and I think he had a five or six, maybe seven interceptions this year, maybe five or six, the only had three the before, so he had to two picks this game. and my third star. I'm just GONNA. Do Losers and winners started on my? my third star probably goes. It's it's tough to say I'd have to go get the Dion first game as a rookie coming out with I. Think he had like seven or eight catches. He's eighty five yards. with the Kentucky to the exact kind of like. Long player and by long I mean just like the stretches, the field runs a lot on those like deep posts and and fade routes. I. Think it was just what the offense was made need need. That was sweet. Biggest losers, bombs or things that sucked Kendra bowel I think. Getting injured in I. I think it was the first quarter. He was defensive rookie of the year last year. He was supposed to be I'm not going to say they would have won I. do think it Kinda changed. definitely did the trajectory of the game Jerome Stinks. What a big fat load! All he did was I I I? Think he had like six hundred rushing yards this season. He just don't I mean granted he. Punched it in nine times, but drum bettas. Blah. And then obviously? Any of the fumble yet which led diving and led to the branch td. and then the third biggest loser is I. GOTTA GO BACK TO BILL I go back to Bill Towers face, and then terrible mentioned is. Honorable Mention is what's his face the quarterback. Kordell Stewart He. He. After being. Offensive Player of the year in two thousand one. All pro he he was like he was I think he was the AFC MVP our offensive player of the year the year before he came out and. showed he still had the APPs from the AFC championship. Game it was not? And he would last two and a half more games after this so. Yeah. Slash yeah. I'LL BET HI Steve. Your best wars. I. I have. The every run is a hold. Note it. All caps yeah I. don't think the beaches couldn't run. The ball is like literally every time they did. That whole the county. I mean they didn't exactly try. They had four runs in the first half. Or a quarter runs. They had like four holding penalty to. Ron would that's true, but most of the most of the they had twenty three consecutive passing place between the Abdal Jacobs. Look if you can't run a ball out gut molding at him to throw it anyways. Yeah, but it just went five wives fucking five wad just gases evens. So I had a couple Bella check bests. Good. They talked about the. T shirt. He gave everybody in the organization. Like, all the standards are zero. The everybody's standing on the back. It was at zero. Yeah, fucking Belgian move! Can confirm that he's been keeping the replay sock or the replay flag in his socks since Oh two. Yup, yeah, I didn't see that in the first year. I think they had buzzers last year. They did and. Now at the the flag. So he's like that's always been. His spot is sock. I've always found hilariously endearing I'm curious why the sock and went onto pocket. And then they were talking about Scott Paoli called them the son-in-law. And, how he's married to bill's daughter, and I was like what I didn't know that like ballot. Check and Scott Baio that. Google that and is not. They were talking about bill parcells. Oh, that's right yet. Not Scott purely. Is Bill parcells son-in-law the pair incestuous same with What's his name and Tom Brady's sister? In Brady's sister. It's all sorts of cross pollination like that all right. With his chin. Good in the post game. Boy. That that's just spread it out and threw the ball. Hope we get to do more of that. I have the audio here. Let me see if I can actually. Honestly because I have it I, also like. Toxic bursts and we didn't lose this one. We got whipped. After the game as it should be. With Melissa. Out when we talk to Tom Brady yesterday or actually on Saturday, said we are going to kick their butts. Tom, how'd you know that? Yeah well. We you know I think we had a good game plan I think we all, and you know what Israel time for me to practice, though good to come out on our own statement our as a good way to open this thing up. The title steelers defense was ranked number one in the NFL last season. How were you able to exploit them so well? You're right. They do have a great defense. Just a Charlie Weis came over the great plan and I think we we We are in the first game. We run a lot of a lot of huddle. Stuff is tough on a defense conditioning. Wise and you know we kind of got him a Guy Guys Donald Hays. Made an awesome play on the curl out when He. Kinda hooked ran a branch and Christian. Three guys. Are GonNa have came up? The very women. How does anyone love Haredi? He's the fucking short. Love Him, but he's. fucking back these. Realize. Sticks out on that interview is like he didn't say hi mom. That's really didn't soul. Always. My parents. They're like yeah, but he sounded just like. Sounds like networking a little bit here style. I'm just using that as an example to show how awesome Guy Tom Brady is when my thought is like men. He's also usually very gracious to his parents as well. I miss him already. God I miss them. I miss him so much. Yeah, ever not miss him. Worse Brown the fact that you Miss Tom Brady. or Worse I I mean. Everyone. Being holding penalty was my worse. Alright. What the hell is going on, Connor dogs still hungry. My roommates are talking in the kitchen. My audio has been fantastic I'll tell you what Andy Year audio cut out a couple of times. You know here a little. Ricochet knows my roommate telling us. Should he story I'm sorry? Did sound like a good story charge. Yeah that'd be. Maybe we'll get him on the podcasts instead. What what what what are yours? Andy Aren't my best. Was the referee cam? Yeah cameras on the the middle referee, the guy behind like in the middle of the defense like behind the linebacker's which of seeing college they don't have that is. Because College for sure. And One and that. One Thousand two. I can see. They never done it before, but you did it. It was so good it was just looks like chaos when you're in the middle of it. Like the fact that anybody understand what they're supposed to be doing is beyond me when you look at it from that angle was fantastic. I'm a hundred percent and like the college version is cool Shit, you NFL version only be cooler because it only quicker and faster right. Yeah, it'd be great so. That was one of my best the best The fullback from the steelers when no during introductions Dan Creator. UNH Alum. How about that? Oh Awesome, the most famous UNH football player! No we say that gang. Jerry Zuma. Oh, yeah, all right all right. Yeah I'll give you. That also is going to play for the rams. There's an. cornerback yeah, and and Kyle Kyle What's his name, Kyle? Bears two. He picked off manning in a big game. I remember to me Jimmy something. Ravens. Yeah Shimmy, Smith. Kanye's not him. I. Definitely yeah. Zuma was one of them. You're right. But I don't know who this new guy is talking about. Horny Dram. Calling dice yes. I, Know Kyle Corey. I don't even have to. Use Google. there. WAS A. Was Zuma the wide receiver. you tell me you're on Google dot so a debate. Bacterium yes. Now those David Ball, who? WAS A. He broke Jerry Rice's touchdown record touch catch record. When I was there. And then who broke that record in the chip? Kelly days. I don't know who broke. That record is in the NFL right now. He's a white shames. Jeff. Cooper COP. Ship Cooper. Set The college football touchdown receiving record. Was bards maybe. UNDRAFTED free agent who played for the bears, well signed by the bears on the Corey Graham played twelve years in the league. Yeah, he's really good. Yeah, I recognize name. A UNH guy. How `bout that represent about 'em wildcats into the third round pick in Nineteen eighty-two there you go. and my worst was basically the steelers. They had six turnovers and thirteen penalties in their season opener. When they had an entire off season to prepare for the team that knocked them out of the playoffs the year before that silly, just hot fucking mess. and. Off of that, my favorite quote was Because this is the beginning of the new division alignments does the the first year of the AFC North that the? And even with this lost, they were still tied for first place in Madden. His quote was luckily. They're in a bad decision. Because it was the browns and the Ravens were falling apart to. And we'll start division. Redskins. undermined. I did. Turn. When they're when. They're like. 'cause again. They're scraping for content and they're talking about the NFC east. For some reason because that's what John Madden was stuck. On kitting of Bengals I've ear was was the dark time for the bengals and the browser that out because it's the browns. But yeah, and using the steelers would get their doors blown off here. Finish ten, five and one and still. When those people talking Shit we sit on the steelers, being recognized as as one of the. Greatest Just teams and Franchises, we have incredible win loss record against them. I, think we need them like? Like twelve like we won twelve, they've won I mean at some preposterous number. We've always had their number bill. Has Oh I mean it was an easy game plan. Like oh you have all these huge linebackers. Okay, we'll just go no huddle and catch you in the wrong scheme, and just you the fuck out you know it was. Bill Kaur was always always Out Coach by bowel check that's for sure so the Patriots against the steelers and the ballot check our our twelve and four. All of the information is available on Patriots. Dynasty DOT INFO Exactly. That's where I'm getting from fifty four to three thirty eight. and. If you want to. Actually I had a quick before we end. A quick trivia question because I know how much you boy like that. So the Patriots have played the steelers three times open the season. Never lost their three, no and actually average a score of thirty thirteen, which is very close to this one. But there's one team that they played four times to open the season. Do. You guys know who that is the dolphins. No Baltimore. The chiefs notes. Soon as an AFC team. Navy's yes, they play the bills four times. They've lost once and I can guarantee you all I guarantee remember the winds though because I. Sure don't. I'm looking forward to where you're watching that game that I am but. It is. Because I know how the season ends, you know. That's true it. Amen Easier to watch though. So Yeah, Oh and we have a new thing before we go you can actually now leave reviews for our podcast. You don't tell him that. Yeah, no, I WANNA get some feedback so I think. Maybe we'll put together for the second season will put together something where the best or our favorite review gets. A Free T, shirt or something? But if you go to rape podcast, dot, com slash pats pod. You can rate on your podcast listener of choice. They should probably give that. You should give that pitch in the first fifteen seconds when people are still listening. Instead of you know the last minute of the okay. No I I want I. Want I want to know what they really think. I'll have suffered all the way. I won't. 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2001 Week 9: Patriots vs Bills

Patriots Dynasty Podcast

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2001 Week 9: Patriots vs Bills

"This is Christine Brown. And while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty. You have the choice. Not My sons and of course Michael sometimes say some naughty things trying to be funny but really just being stupid. You still want to listen. Go RIGHT AHEAD. I am not your mother welcome back. I'm sure you've all been listening all the way through to the Patriots Dicey podcast. This week is two thousand one week nine with the the buffalo bills coming to Foxborough stadium. Not Gillette stadium although the gratuitous shots of Gillette Stadium in the background. Yeah yes thank you. Gi Field as we've already talked about what were they. They were the the ask. Jeeves of the early two. Thousands isn't that we discovered something like that. Yes Sir something like that. Yeah so just for some context while we might sound a little dour this week. We are recording this the week after the ending of the two thousand nineteen patriots season. Some would say that well a lot of media would say that. I'm not ready to call it quite yet. Because they've been saying that for the past what would you say? Ten Years Up. The Dynasty is ended. It's over I like that. A playoff appearance after three super bowls is the end. That's season while battling through a platitude of injuries house that's true. He sold his house. Guerrero sold his too. Didn't he read Anne's a free agent? You'll know move to dedicate Bella check eight. Some it's physically impossible for him to come back. I'm pretty sure now. You know play devil's advocate here isn't it would be a little bit interesting to see. Brady go somewhere else just to kind of add to that bar. Conversation of like who's better ballot check Brady. Who needed who or I mean. Obviously the different conversation because he's older teams are different. Whatever it's Kinda stupid but could be fun to talk about. It'd be interesting. Yeah Flake Brady wins. Won the Nobel number wins another one. That's pretty embarrassing. Ch- my money would be on the other way round. I doubt that's what I'd be more likely for the coach. The coach until he's eighty five and sneak one in there at least yeah but brady brings the fucking tighten to the super bowl. It's not bad. You put him on the colts or something. Yeah isn't the chargers of the the leads spa? I don't get that man. They're terrible. And the raiders right. I'm sure Belcher I with his name. Not Al Davis Son with a bowl. Cut Fox's name Oh that Guy Al Davis Junior yes is issue please? He's a where a all I know is the chances of the Patriots leading Brady go is miniscule. Because I don't know if you guys know but there's a thirteen million dollar cap it if he leaves and that's a huge amount of money to be sitting around for nothing so but we don't talk about that. Nope we're here to talk about two thousand one week nine the the one in five buffing introductions before getting sidetracked. Nice Yup. I mean this point. Do we even need introductions? Everybody's here the whole damn crew your who we are by. Now you can google it you. Google Google Steve Brown until areas. It's like a Yo Yo champion amount to do is legit. I'm actually looking that up right now so I think your master. He is your guys. He's like an og. Yoyo seeing this guy. Guys stay tuned. I said a Google alert trailer Andrew Brown so every time name comes up in like a new Google Story. I get notified. There is a a defensive line for the Cincinnati Bengals name Brown and also a whole lot of guys who've done a whole bunch of blows you say a lot of victims and murderers all kinds of weird things out there. You know what this Yoyo Guy Looks. Awesome yeah his. Beard is sex. Forget the Yoyos I dunno asser on point he makes walking the dog look cool. Sheep the mood speaking of great beards. I guess as a Segue a buffalo bills head coach Gregg Williams. Does he have a beard? I don't think fuck it. Sounds like a cool fro though? Yeah something like that. He's got to. Oh yeah this is Greg. Jeez he's very square head. I feel like I will say about Greg Williams Because this pops up in the broadcast and I thought it was very cool. He was talking to a team or talking about his team and he says his team is too young not talented enough to overcome penalties in the states. I thought that was pretty well. This is the the same Greg Williams. Who was the interim? Browns head coach twenty eighteen after Hugh Jackson was fired because he was his more of a defensive coordinator. I think yeah. That's that's usually what he is. He's been in the league since ninety seven Moses Defensive Coordinator but he got a couple of shots at head coach This of course was the a one through three with the bills where he went the seventeen and thirty one and then the year with Cleveland had eight games during went five and three but they didn't bring him back to the head coach because I think he seems like a bit of a loose cannon from the way he talks about gay guy is yeah right. Yeah so he's a did you watch the hard knocks with him in it. No which was that. Oh the last year the browns now. I didn't actually see it easily. Old School you know grumpy kind Canada you how do you feel about the about? I don't know I mean I think it's it's like whatever they're trying to hurt each other anyway. It's football that's what I thought I mean. It's kind of weird to put a dollar a amalgamate. Somebody's head but at the same time they're all trying to kill each other so rain saying go hurt him. Go hit him as hard as you can right right. I think you like the money thing was just like them. You Know Again. Not right the optics. It doesn't pass the optics task. But they're just you know it wasn't like this whole infrastructure to lie decimate people. I don't think right it's it. It felt like the the actual punishments that came down. Like Sean Payton being spending for year and all that crap like that over the top. Yeah yeah I mean it was? It was definitely like an optics thing. You don't want a brutal sport to be mired by things like that but Yeah like Greg said. He's an old school guy doesn't excuse his actions though. Save that So in his head coaching career. He has faced ballot check six times. I'll coaching the buffalo bills. He lost five of them. Can any view name the one win? I am but I I teed it and I look. Was it the thirty one nothing? It was. Yeah it was game week. One was his only win against the New England Patriots and Bill Bill Ballot check. Yeah what a win. Yeah and then they They they finished that season pretty strong to believe by coming back to. I don't remember which one was wear but playing the Patriots again last week of the season and in the perfect book and losing thirty one. Nothing the first game was in Buffalo. The last game in New England. And that's what I thought. Yeah that seems right from the visuals that have been burned into my memory. Paying ends on your. Because they had the second-string until the the bill started driving right at the end and then they put the first string defense back in and help them to keep it thirty one. Nothing it's beautiful. I WANNA know this. Ron Is Greg Williams got in trouble for the bountygate thing. How COME SEAN? Payton doesn't get in trouble for bringing light east carrying around one hundred thousand dollars or something a cash enticing players to win again. This isn't that promote betting living in New Jersey. Yeah you can you bet like if you're on an NFL team or against or for whatever probably not exactly exactly so you know. What isn't Sean? Payton trump should just get suspended every year. How about that? Go off king all right speaking of terrible. Though the bills this year would finish the season three and thirteen after coming into this at one in the six that would qualify for fifth in the AFC. East out of five teams back. When that was still a thing They wouldn't actually win more than one game. In a row this season they had losing streaks of four which to start season and then another six after winning coming out of there by and this is a game that we're we're catching them now is part of that. Six game losing streak. Let's see other notable coaches literally. Nobody this team was so bad that Nobody else ever got a job in the NFL. Afterwards as a head coach anyway. I don't know if they replaced replaced on the bills who replaced Williams replaced these BS. Famous guy it was leading a flutie ROB JOHNSON FIASCO. Give a hint. Oh no that wasn't It's not a MARV Levy. Now Wade Phillips I feel like I feel like I can use those two guys way. Phillips is is that like defensive coordinator every once in a while. Get the shot to. Isn't it yeah? So that's that's kind of is a bum phillips. Yeah Yeah why? Are they related son a bomb bomb Ned Salon? Actually read some excerpts out of it in preparation for this podcast really. I hope he fell into the flutie. Rob Johnson radical. It was it was quite a rabbit hole. They was Here's a whole bunch of shit that went on. It is ridiculous. Yeah I mean that deep. Yeah so we can get into that now if you only because the next thing is the starting quarterback as we've made aware as Rob Johnson. He was the replacement for Doug. Flutie really right. Yep Yeah now I remember the game. We touched on this like anything. Go deeper than that. You want me to get into it. I got time. Yeah here. He's a fourth round draft. Pick Johnson for the bench in Jacksonville. Jaguars right he plays three years. He starts one game. Played His ass off in that one game. If you remember this this came up with the like the Mac Castle Conversation. He gave up a first and fourth round. Pick the trade. Wow so they brought him in Flutie in in Nineteen Ninety eight believes and He sucks he starts season them. One in three and I'm flutie takes over when he gets turned the season around. They make the playoffs. Rudy goes to the pro bowl. Everything's Dandy right. The next year they go eleven and five. This is this is where it all like blew up so flutie started fifteen games at year right right or making the playoffs. He sits out week seventeen because they couldn't change their playoff seeding. Johnson comes in slings. All of the field plays his ass off and then starts Johnson City Miracle Right. Yeah forgot. That's how it went down. Yeah which turned out to be the music city miracle yes. Yeah so then they. They lost obviously to lacking and then the next year they split time. Flutie went form wine. Rob Johnson went four and seven and at the end of that year. That decision. Wade Phillips said I think it would rob Johnson. Wow flutie yeah. 'cause I don't I don't I think it's just me and Mike. That did the chargers game but because they trade him to the chargers yoke flutie and at the time I think. The charges were undefeated in the bills. Were winless yes so food deliveries like tearing a bit. They were one in fifteen the year before and then he actually played. They played each other that year. And Woody was born to like turn around the chargers and then there was a dramatic. Like game ending scrambled touchdown rudy. Add to win. It dargis aptly happening because everyone was like dude. Fuck Ron Johnson. I guess that's what happens at your trade a first round pick for them. O's actually two weeks before this game. I think yeah it was. Yeah his there week. Seven Rob Johnson like breaks his collarbone in this game spoiler alert and he basically was never the same kind of was though the one forever off. That was it. Wow thank you for that. I forgot about all that. Yeah down in like. There was so many instances throughout this whole thing of like. Oh Yeah Rob. Johnson started game. There were losing he. You know gets a concussion. Fluid comes in scored twenty four unanswered points in. They win. Like I read that like four different times so similar to the Tom Brady. Drew was the exact same situation in Michigan. Just want Rob Johnson. It'd be good just put in the backup to clean things up again. Yeah see I thought he was like a high draft pick so did off first and fourth like that's where that line reputation came from like. We gotta use them because we technically it was a high draft pick. Just not by the Jacks Fuck. Yeah and they rolled with Rob Johnson and Alex Van Pelt of people the season green eight to had to finish this game and then the rest of the season. 'cause Rob Johnson who I think that was also another knock on Ron. Johnson says he can never say healthy to use injured and then so after that music city Miracle Ethnic it took him twenty years to get back to the playoffs. Yeah curse I went. Did flutie make the playoffs in those when he is on the Patriots team? So you must have. Yeah so not as guarded me all right curse Doug Flutie I love it. And they still haven't won a playoff game since then right 'cause they lost us here too so tough. Is these the the Babe Ruth of Buffalo? I think they've since the year they lost four super bowl in a row. Think you're 'cause they lost in the In both those years I was looking at the ninety eight ninety nine. Does it compare to the Tokyo Brown curse? Got The raiders steelers in Patriots Eddie included Buffalo. While he was proud of you know every team being out in the same week so we gotta sign that Man. Immediately on the PODCAST. I think he'd be down like we. Do Watch his music video. Get hyped it for him. I liked share ready. I think once was whole lot of money. Awesome Auto tuned enough. I'll auto tune in post that I do well. So actually the The last Buffalo playoff win was the year after they lost their last week. One in the wildcard against the dolphins. If we're living to the steelers in around Nineteen ninety-five. Maybe backtrack her. It's been a couple of years. Hey other teams. That are worse off so they should be happy. Yeah sure barely yes. We're going to do their selves until next year. Speaking dynasties the bills wide receivers Eric Moulds imperialist. Price talk duo. Both of them really Eric. Volz La Sierra lists though what a great me yeah. That's yeah that's great. I think if we're if we're going with great names running back starting running back Travis. Henry was always my favorite because I remember playing him in Madden and calling him big Hen and my college roommate. At the time I use Travis Henry to to such great Travis Henry and drew bledsoe such great effect that he couldn't beat me and suck speaking to me. I know I know drew bledsoe forever at anyone else. Go into the Travis January Rabbit Hole Ravenhill now. It either ocean though is there. Oh boy let's hear it though. I mean it was so good. Your lender He has some seed. We'll say that always he. Dave Meggett style. Oh No Antonio Cromartie on the all time. Best Athlete or illegitimate Oh really your than Cromartie Yup standard-bearer Cromartie twelve kids with eight women. Wow Wow eleven with ten. Wow paying so in own nine court for child support end. They said that he was bang. Hundred seventy thousand dollars a year in jail. God well now. That's why I was in court. This is all before he was already yet allow. Yeah so. He ended up getting some jail time. I believe for getting arrested for multi-kilogram cocaine transaction. Oops well he's trying to do what he could to help. Out His kids I will in the plot thickens. They asked him like child support. Amass where it all went and he said Oh I spend it on my three cars and two hundred fifty thousand dollars in jewelry. Oh my God well I mean. Think about it though. The kids give return on investment until they're at least forty so I mean why. Not ZIPP ARANDA. Coup has a three of them sound cookie. I saw that Antonio Brown's Video Guy Travis Henry. Oh we should. I feel like I heard a quote from him when they ask somebody. And he's like there's nothing to do in buffalo except at Fuck Great Shawn McCoy it might have been Willis mcgahee by God boy. They've got some quality running back on a buffalo and wrote down some mode. Oj Simpson Thurman. Thomas what were you going to say? Gee I said I wrote. There's a lot of the people that have a ton of kids or like really famous to like names you'd know hair down saw some stats here. Cromartie twelve they Muhammad Ali. Nine with five Sean. From the Supersonics. Seven six vendor holyfield eleven with six while Wide Guerrero. Eight with five one Audible return investment is like in the MLB vladi junior. That's one out of thirty of my favorite. The God fearing man himself. Ray Lewis six but four way. Wait now you're leaving out Benjamin Watson who has ignited with one so let's give that man round of applause who's GonNa fill rivers and say he's got like eleven right some stupid himself a whole football team man for Mama. Them at noted float like a butterfly come. Legal Horse Clipper used to promote this podcast. You're right we could make that Asharq Greg. But I don't know anybody who would wear that in public speaking lake coming like a horse. The only pro bowl are on. This team was the one the only Larry centers the fullback love Larry. Yup who was third in receiving yards on the team and fourth in rushing yards is a lot of names. I recognize that defense even even got the defense. The only other name that I had for offense was tight. End Jay remers Riemersma thinking. Oh Yeah Yeah. That's a great fucking name and he looks like a poor man's Rob Gronkowski which we can talk about later. If you want but Seattle the defense. This was yeah. There was some pretty big name on this defense. Defensive Backs Nate Clements and Antoine Winfield. We'll solid yeah Linebackers I don't really recognize any of these names brandon spoon which is another great name who had to pick sixes on the year. Which for linebacker. I feel like a lot the rookie. Too Yeah Jay Foreman who led the team with one hundred one tackles. Don't remember him or Keith. Newman wells the door. Member Defensive Line though you'll know these both these names. I'm sure that's fan. Aaron Schobul Schoebel Yep. Who had the his? This is his rookie area. Two sacks of Brady on the day would actually finish with. We talked about before I remember when he is the person with the most sacks of. Tom Brady embraced area. And he's got like fourteen Aaron schoeberl. That's a that's a great little trivia for you and trouble where was Jason Taylor on that list. I WANNA say it was like second second. Yeah stop like he's sacked Brady shitload. Yeah and then America's thing. Oh Mike I think that was the the dolphins game that we did the first one. Greg Actually Watch but talked about two weeks later. Avidsson cise learn the bills pats in? Oh four I have in my hand a Game Day Program from that Game Nice. Well we'll get there in probably five and a half years so hang onto that for so no worries. Yeah wait a minute Andy. Did we go to Brady. Game was at us in Buffalo. Yes that's right I ask visit. We'll have to talk about that when that POPs up. Yeah yeah that'll be good. Go speaking of fat bastards. The last name on defense was Pat Williams was legit. Yeah that wasn't paros was it. That was a different Williams. Those called who is he broncos. Yeah I thought his name was William Sue. Wasn't it what about the tractor trailer? I don't think he was on this team. At this point I think just left there. Like owes the lost his buddy. Yes yeah yeah. Let's Look Always Buddy Antwan Smith like no no as ought to the big fat guy on defense that he used to play it right next to Ted Washington. Oh Yeah what are your thoughts on the commentators Andy Do you want to get to that now? I mean we can't because I got what guys I try not to bring this up because I feel stupid in that I don't know so much. A Bridge started football. Not Football at every time this guy POPs up by Ken Escape and I have to write three or four things because you could use the hell out of me so I mean yeah we can get into it if you guys want to help you out by I. Don't I feel dumb bringing this up but this guy just brings it out. Think we can dive right if you WANNA even though. We haven't talked about the game at all yet. I mean this could help the listeners and understanding the game a little bit better as we unravel all right. I mean you may as well. We're talking about comedy. Let's do all right. Yeah Brent Jones Goes Johnson's all right. He toes the line but Jones or something else and so the first one would be. Sometimes that ball is slippery when you get that pump going. Didn't Kinda it can be definitely did and I don't understand. It could usually football not football sunny game to. Why would it be slippery idea? I give you pump it up enough. You don't get like super. Yeah it's it's like the opposite of deflate gate and the ball gets super. Yeah you can't grip it as well so kind of like an Aaron Rodgers Gay. Yes yeah okay. So that's what you guys think. It's like a a air being completely honest. I don't actually know what the fuck he said it. I swear I'm Jerry did. I don't know if he knew what he was talking about. All right so if anybody out there is listening to this you can fill us it on ordnance that'd be ideal next one. Is Tom Brady able to step up into the pocket and put some juice on football? I think that's football Because the pocket. I think we may have talked about before is is what the automatic we have now all right. So that's what offensive line tries to create around Tom. Brady keep it the the the defenders off of him I shaped. Yeah no what do they call it a wall. It's called the pocket because it's curbs so they have to call it a podcast. You don't put things in walls right. So what is putting juice on the pocket and I think the juice was about the football and how hard he threw it. Because Tom Brady can fucking huck football back in two thousand one. There's kind of like the high cheese and baseball identity bridge. Ot to that. I don't know which impose aby okay sent make sense a step up in the pocket and puts them juice on it. Okay Yeah This one is talking about Rob Johnson. I don't know anything about Rob Johnson and I don't know if it pertains to this but he said about six inches he has it. I don't know anything about him. Dick cinches are well. I don't think it was the I don't know where it is. A right. What dies. I don't know what we're talking about. I mean makes a big difference singers to game adventure right so I think yeah. Big Men on that field right. If wonder is important like how you use that one in six inches has got to be pretty good above average. I would think so so. That's a football thing. Yeah okay the last one and this was the most confusing for me. He was under pressure and had to get it off. Never been under pressure to get it off. Mike I've never played football like this is not fun of fifty thousand people. I don't think you hit the garage door opening. You're like oh no oh. I grabbed gross. How `bout collapsing? I believe it's now or never scenario but I was watching. I think it was. Mtv programming my room. I heard footsteps so all right. Well thanks guys. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA try to understand a little bit better. But Brent Jones He. He's he's a man of words. News is just a Brent Jones thing or Gus Johnson would never say these things. How dare you? I mean it hasn't just been a hasn't just no but he seems to bring out the best in these questions he did. Start this whole thing because it seems like everything he says is multilayered emmys a little bit more intelligent than I am. So yeah he also Got Super excited when they're showing CMG. I stadium that he was like you know what my favorite part of that stadium is Canadian. Blue Steel all right. Yeah I'm guessing Brent Jones Canadian stat check you gotTa Greg. Yeah I got come. Johnston doesn't say anything like this. He's from Santa Clara California stock in Canadian Steel Kitchen Brent Jones. An email about this 'cause maybe I wonder if we're GONNA have brench do it and I'm going to try to understand everything that he says what. He's all the podcast. Because I might have to go back. Listen to decipher ask you. Yes he has some possible political aspirations. He's in new that back to ten A. C. Interesting. There's a lot of tape on what this man said. I don't know tight end Mike. What does that make you think That he played a position on offense. Okay you get confused easily so I don't know. Oh Yeah. No that's fair that's fair. I'M NOT GONNA. I'M NOT GONNA go against that. Sometimes you get dumb it down for you. Yeah right yeah all right we can have a tight ends I don't think the Patriots have any. Do they then had the pathway tight ends? We're all yes right. Wiggins had one catch because I remember it 'cause he tried to Ge- Agai and he jumped and got his feet caught and Lenin Square on his face and had to come off immediately. Oh that's right it was. It was one of those hits where the whole when he hit the ground. The like everybody in the crowd went. Oh and you wonder if he's going to get up because he is a not an agile fella. That one wasn't there like a rutledge was reality. I think that was. I think that may have been two thousand. I want to spend. Yeah Wiggins yeah he yeah he. He didn't do enough for me to put any notes and the only the only tight end in this game. It got notes from me where it's was Jay Riemersma. Six five to fifty. Two fucker doesn't wear gloves. His definitely Harto and he was also holder on the Buffalo Bills Field Goal Thames. You caught up. So fuck yeah. That's pretty awesome. Yeah what are your thoughts on? The tight end progression for the Patriots is a win interesting like it was like nothing. They went to that. Too tight ends with Gronk in now looks like they're coming back out with like the not theory again while I think well bell checks always consistently drafted tight ends. He just hasn't he didn't have any success until the just Mendez Gronkowski. Yeah because I mean. He drafted Watson. He drafted Daniel. Graham for Ya like. He's he's been drafted tight ends for his whole career was a trade. I may have been by. Yeah he he likes them. Say I use them wiggins for whatever reason no such a weapon when they had Hernandez grog together. Oh God yeah. That's the one time I remember thinking like there's there's nothing people can do to stop this. You can't because they can do whatever they want elite. Well it hasn't really been replicated sense so you'd think that somebody would give it a shot but I think finding no pun positions hard to do sorry got her own. Brand Jones up. That was pretty great. I mean Gronkowski's his own thing right. So yeah I mean that was what it was. I don't know man. I the games changing to where like now with the game. I think there's like three dominant tight ends. They're all super fast. Agile and Mike. You don't really steer about it with anybody else and with teams I Baltimore. You know they got like a whole different system So yeah I don't know I mean obviously the chiefs have a good one Bengals you know off and on but you don't really hear about it too much more for some reasons the ravens you can do in this year. Where there have more catches than their wide receivers. Oh really I didn't know that in their rotate. Like three of them in there. Yeah Yeah Yeah I think it is. I mean the NFL cyclical anyway. So it's a matter of time. You're actually starting to see the resurgence of fullbacks. Come back to you. Know with the forty niners as well as the Ravens and things like that. It'd be like just a personnel thing. Here right yeah I can but I think those all those sorts of positions are now being asked to do more so you have to have a full back who can catch now although I suppose if you're looking at two thousand one you've got Mark Edwards who is like through the first three or four weeks was like the weapon that they kept going about Sam. Gash remember him you. Yeah he was kind of a one trick pony he was. I thought it was good for a passer in that. Yeah but so is Brian Cox so I mean trump. What are the guy in the Patriots. Say Say A. C. motherfuckers. I hit him or something. A run through a motherfucker offense defense special teams Barack for one yard. A sorry speaking to players they hear speaking of two way players though Elsie the Terrell Buckley was playing wide receiver again. This game. That really. That's way and they keep chucking bombs soon because that was brady's interception in this game was They they decide to take a shot and then he threw a pick. But that shot was Terrell Buckley again very strange I was like watching in and out and then I came back to that. Play dishonored two of them like jumping up for jump on a Mug. What the Hell's going on? Here's why is he number? Twenty seven that makes it seem like a bad ball to or bad decision. Obviously yeah I mean I I think it was one of those designed because I wanna say the pages just got the ball back but I think they'd just gotten like Can't find it my got it back the next day. Yeah yes so yeah bills. The bills went through. Oh the Patriots scored the touchdown to fog the falk off of Troy Brown's Nice punt return. When are we getting ahead of ourselves here? No so this first quarter and then the bills went three and out and so then like the the first play off of the next punt return braves. He took that shot on the first play. Gotcha I think they're trying to put the game away. You know didn't work no but I thought Troy Brown. I thought the the Patriots Special Teams in general had a pretty good game. Well actually I don't think anybody really had a good game in this now. Thirty yard punt return the first quarter. That was pretty awesome right on twenty eight yard punt which we'll get it to the punting 'cause that was pretty cool let's do it. Let's do it by give it to me. Can we Brian Moorman? Yeah Man. I'm going to say this is almost like the best moment of the game for me But I would say the best play. The game is Brian. Moorman Bills Ponder got a twenty yard punt from the what his own twenty yard line to the forty that play which is pretty sweet Akeem Akbar actually touches the ball accidentally and the revenue misset so the Patriots should of loss ball. They caught a break. So that play in. General was amazing. Twenty Yard Punt Midfield yeah that that balance backwards like it hit the Hit like the forty five and bounce backwards to the forty. Yeah that that would be topped by another punt from Brian. Moorman from his from the fifty yard line and made it to the thirty. Five fifty is pretty awesome. He averaged his his yards per punt. On the day he averaged. Twenty seven point two yards per bridged. That is amazing. What was wrong with most of the punts were into the way? Lagos a super windy game and so it seemed like all of his punts where towards the open end of the stadium and like they were all really really bad because because the first one he did he did a line drive one and it went twenty eight yards in Troy Bram. Return it for thirty two or something like that. So he didn't try it again but he kicked them straight up. They just hung O' Brien Yup not not great five punts hundred thirty six yards averaged. Twenty seven point two. You know. That's what happens in six seasons. You know yeah I mean. I'm going into the wind as they stay up. You'd think that they would try some kind of different technique. I'm thinking of it that it was pretty every time but they just kept going for. It wasn't wasn't great. I but I mean the kicking game in general was awful. They showed some stat about Adam. Unitary King and against the bills and how bad he is. He was like a seventy or eighty percent kicker normally but in this game against the bills he was like fifty something percent field goal percentage which is kind of strange. Viteri is four hundred fifty four for seventy nine point. Six percents almost eighty percent on field goal attempts which he was on at this point that but says his one week has been the bills against whom he's managed only fifty eight point three percents field goal percentage and he missed another one in this game. He missed to miss both of his field goals so over. Two field goals. Hit all three extra points. I think he just blame the wind. In general I look like a couple of deep balls hung to and did some weird shit so this was one of those old foxborough games where the wind actually mattered as opposed to appear. Now where they say it matters but you never really see it actually thanked. You're absolutely right like most everyone had a crap game. I'm looking at Brady's numbers. And here's fifteen for twenty one which isn't bad. For one hundred seven yards touchdown interception. Kevin Faulk was the leading receiver with twenty nine yards. He did good. Yeah the run game was solid for one hundred two touchdowns. That's that's what you want. It is but I think that was also skewed by the run at the end. The big was at forty seven yard. Run that has left off yards to you. Know like great tackles. Oh yeah well. Because that's the thing. Let's talk about Antoine's too because he was a former buffalo bill and in ninety eight. He'd actually run for eleven hundred yards and eight touchdowns and then they got a new think. Offensive Coordinator head coaches that whole new system and basically they said. The commentators were saying that The the new the new coaches basically didn't like him so just stopped playing him so then he ran for six hundred yards and then in ninety nine three hundred yards in two thousand who was Rob Johnson blowing in that front office and we got influenced knit. Both studs is that a football question or football question Brag with both BMI he spent. I Anton Smith. Bend it like the entire week before. And all the the postgame San how. This wasn't like a revenge game. He's angered anybody because the people that gave up on him weren't even there anymore. Like coach wise and stuff but he still was running like he was pissed off. I think this is the hardest. I've seen him run so far this season and he's still got like clearly got a ton left in the tank too. I mean Oh yeah we know that now but why would you give up on a guy like the same reason you give up? Doug Flutie I mean and imagine. You're you're taking over a team. You kind of want you to put your stamp on like a lot of guys wanted to distance themselves from like anybody that the GM put in place beforehand. So it's probably a situation where you just wanted his own guys and to prove a point. Whatever yeah that's a good point with that bullshit? Oh Yeah Yeah I mean yeah. Play to the talent that you have. I mean. Look at what they've done with the the ravens this year like right You have a running quarterback that can do things like build system around much ego numbers even riding the bench like they weren't horrible so I mean to your point. They probably should've trusted them with the football more. We should be coaches. I think so. I'll I mean I'm I'm in line for the ballot check physician whenever he wants to give that up. -sition will coach again. Might you know well. I don't know I mean I'm I'm willing to give it a shot but I'm not frigging waiting around. Twenty years takes up the job. Believe me this. Strike me as punters coach. Joe Joe Judge Special Teams Guy Giant. See so there is an avid through there. Guys Mike Mike. How are you going to be a coach when he don't even know what's football not you're right speaking of not knowing their football I've thought like we're talking about everybody not having a great game Brady's play at the end. We're talking about the end already van. I mean there's just like a lot of shit football every quarter. I don't know if you've noticed but we are all over the fucking place this week so yeah may jumps again and we can jump back later. Don't worry fair enough because I wanted to point out. Brady's kind of very UN Brady like rookie mistake at the end. There pats up by two scores. And they're running the ball with relative ease and for some reason the past start calling like play action passes when they have no reason to so brady takes play action roles to his right. And there's a defender like in his face and he tries to like. I wanted to say he was trying to Juke. But if you've seen TOM BRADY TO RUN. You can kind of imagine what that looks like. And so he doesn't and the the. The defensive end is kind of slaps the ball out of his hand. And then kicks it twenty yards backwards and the bills and up recovering it and scoring a touchdown two plays later to make the game uncomfortably close. Yeah let's say it was a learning experience for Brady game because it was pretty awful throughout but I don't know if it's entirely his fault because there was I think six sacks on them by the time the fourth quarter started yep so and I think in the by half he was sacked like four or five times so. I don't think he's been pressured like that on this season. Yeah well other than the the Miami Dolphins Game Yup had that almost exact play where Brady fumbled the snap. And then the was the right guard. The beautiful backheel to kick back twenty yards at the dolphins occur for touchdown. He was sacked seven times in this game. Seven man and yeah. He fumbled twice here. The Tech Your bill decisions. Sorta backs were sacked five times so this was not an offense of the split by any stretch of the imagination right and every year and sacked dropback ratio. I guess who did Rob Johnson? I can see it and the Brady's decisions at the end though like you were saying i. I wouldn't say this game was a blowout because they were up by. It was like fourteen. Whatever it was like less than two touchdowns fourteen three forty three and then after that play. Yeah peerless. Price got a touchdown so as fourteen eleven after two point conversion so yeah that that one decision made it a close game. Even though it shouldn't have been to your point they. They couldn't just run the time. I'll never know why they were all cute. Fancy but yeah. That's that's what I was wondering is like I mean you still on a rookie quarterback who's been sacked seven times. Well probably six times. I suppose that bright count the sack fumble. Why you having him roll out on a bootleg right and the bills they went for ticking almost gotten it was recovered by our very own. Mike Vrabel yes sore. Spot right there by The APP they almost got the onside kick so if they got it this would have been potentially a different game. And Yeah. We're not even at this point. I don't think we were used to seeing a brady. Make these these decisions so was And and it was interesting to. I'm sure you saw some of this. But it reading some of the articles because now there is about fifty thousand articles written every game that we have to sift through During this time but they were talking to him about it he did say that it was a learning experience it was. I think the first time where he was coming off a little bit more humble than like confident. Which was I think? Probably good for this moment of the season. Yeah the quote that I wrote down with. You'd like to play great every Tom Brady talking. You'd like to play great every week but I'm finding out that's not always the case in this league. Yeah so that was a little different than what we've heard. Before and then in that same article with a quote yesterday certainly wasn't education in adversity for the second year novice. He learned. He could overcome a rash of misadventures. He Completed Fifteen of twenty one passes but travel only one hundred seven yards. His longest connection was a thirty eight yard to Antoine Winfield of Buffalo. That's pretty rough. It's it's pretty amazing though that stuck with him because I don't know I mean we saw with you know he throws one pick six and you know he replays again True you know and and this is right around the time that BLEDSOE was starting to come back. I think they were expecting it to be ready the next week. So the fact that Brady one that a mazes me look back on it. Yeah I'm I'm a little. It almost makes you feel like the situation is different. I mean I don't know if things would've been different if say Jimmy. Garoppolo had stayed healthy for those first four games a few years ago if he had won all four of those games. If you would have seen something similar I don't I don't know. Wow because it feels like a similar situation where you knew that the start is coming back but if the the guy that plays those first four games gets here this point. I mean obviously this more than four games. But if he gets his point I think at that point. Garoppolo was playing better than before he got hurt. Then Brady was playing here so I I. I'm not quite sure how that would work out. But yeah you're right BLEDSOE It was announced he was cleared by the medical staff to play this. The the following care against the rams coming up. So I'm assuming that's GonNa be the whole next week of blitz articles who had started a terrible year. Yeah yeah that's true I mean and it was. It wasn't that guy picks as usual. Since you know. I think I think the whole thing was that like the only thing that team had offensive. Would YOU BLEDSOE? And he dragged him to five and eleven right. I mean Bella check though I. He's a decision making guy right so Brady Brady make sound decisions for the most part. Great gay manager at this point. That makes a lot of mistakes by I mean. Obviously you know he references Brady. Now's conic in Boston for the Patriots while Bledsoe was pretty iconic as well at the time so I don't know if it was the easiest decision again it obviously helps because it was parcells guy in his own right but yet to your point I mean I wonder what would have happened with the Garoppolo thing I mean obviously. Luckily it happened way too that happened. They've made another three super bowls by That's a good point. I don't know how would have played out if percent that jumped in there So any fan. Anybody else have anything they want to touch on this game Other than that. It was Absolute Crap Yeah. It was a bit of a slog to get through a good thing. I didn't watch it then. Break the Fourth Wall Steve. I know thanks Anne case. Way Way Way Way Way way did you end up watching the highlights. At least not nothing. Not even did not good for you. Okay you know what the I actually found highlights because well I assumed Greg wouldn't watch game so He proved me wrong. So thanks Greg I watched. I think oh But the highlights. I found were actually. Nfl Primetime Highlights Watch those. Yeah I love those I will say what are the on top of the bad play. Obviously there were so many flags on the bills and patriots. It was almost painful to sit through the announcers. Were getting away a little antsy too but obviously not you know the ballot check type of and what we're used to buy so many on both sides. Obviously the referees were shit or something yeah. They weren't great. I don't know that was rough. I think like it'd be interesting to touch on some of the stuff that was going on around this game as well Some of the notes he had. And the on Terry Glenn. I thought were pretty interesting. round yeah Here we go so. This is still in the peak. Terry Glenn Saga of will he ever play for the Patriots again? And the the story that came out in the aftermath of last week's game on on on Tuesday the Boston Globe was that Terry Glenn has depression and It was the quotas. Glenn confirmed that. Chronic depression is the physical disability cited as the reason the receiver was unable to take his mandated drug tests at the appointed time during the offseason that tardiness earned Glenn A four-game suspension. At the start of the season that is not to be confused with the season. Long Banishment. Bella. Trek tried to impose Glenn Bolted from training camp because he felt the team wasn't being supportive enough in his protests of the League's sentence. Right into like the whole like housewives of Orange County. Early agree with that. You Bitch I could tell your voice I give it to me. Give me your side of this. I don't know it's tough because I feel like for that that the talking about depression that was like almost like ahead of its time because you. I. I didn't really hear this kind of stuff. Being talked about. Sort of taboo back then An for us to hear this. I mean obviously he's putting it out there at the time but for us they hear this without like social media. There's definitely a stigma attached to it now. Does he advance that. You know lessening of the stigma. I don't know because I don't know if he was using it to justify his you know his actions to provide an excuse or if he was actually dealing with this but we do know that he had substance issues. We see a little bit of that with Josh Gordon and I you know he hasn't necessarily describe depression but I know that it can. You know it it. There's a lot of things that go into addiction depression anxiety and we're finding out a little bit more about that now even guys like. Antonio Brown where where? We're not quite sure what's going on. He seems like he's just Kinda showed you is. There could be something a little bit deeper a little bit of depression. Who KNOWS But we do know that with Terry Lamp. It manifested at substance abuse. So maybe the way that he went about doing it wasn't the right way but feel like the infrastructure was in place for sure back then to help a guy who's dealing with like problems at like maybe off base and maybe he was sort of like using that as a crutch or wake a reason to get because it was also a dispute where the Patriots had paid him. I think eleven million dollars worth holding eight million dollars of a signing bonus because of all this and you know that was sort of his reasoning for trying to combat that so again. Is it the Antonio Brown thing where it's like? Hey I'm going to blame everybody else. I'M GONNA put my blames this or that and I want my money back or is it that he was actually dealing with that and it just seems like an excuse because we didn't really hear that kind of stuff back that right and I think that's a criticism is not that whether or not he has chronic depression or anything like that which I mean looking back on it now and kind of the tragic way that he ended. It's probably pretty obvious that. Yeah he had at least something whether it was craft pressure or something even more than that. I think is is pretty obvious that there was something going on with him but yeah the criticism was that this came out however many months after the fact and now lives this coming all of a sudden. When is protracted legal battle right like at the time I widen it? Come out at the time and and like my whole the reason for my comment about like you know. Housewives of Orange County was just the whole reason why of Glen like basically leaving training camp. Because the team wasn't being supportive of him. Sorta thing right. I mean you know. Obviously I'm giving you shit but To your point it. It's just tough to assess that situation especially without knowing what was going on without social media. So it's just what we know. Based on what Terry Glenn told us and the timing of it. All right is that it is. He's just leave. Yup thanks all right. Do we have left. Is Greg so here. No he left to. She's awesome way to go guys. You know we knew Greg Insert right way to let them my viewers now but anyways to wrap that up. I mean I don't have to go after. Go Fuck Outta here. Why did he? Where does a Chad by the viewers man and then I interrupted you twice? Which is awesome. Reviewers cutting this whole thing out. We're just GONNA play it off like ro though this is we've it there man let it be. Massey will see very messy all right man. Good chatting later. I think you should leave out there because this is life. And whoever's listening this point yes it is and speaking out that the best of The Terry Glenn Situation So yeah to your point he. It did seem like he you know he did some things like he missed them drug tests for whatever reason at the time and then yeah months later. He said that it was because of that. Now it doesn't it doesn't mean that he's not dealing with that maybe is using that to justify later as a like. Lee Away but I just thought it was interesting because I didn't. I didn't really remember this going on. Maybe I was a little bit too young to understand but I think it is an interesting thing because a lot of the articles that you had put up that I was looking over. It was like they were interviewing doctors and trying to figure out from psychiatrists if you know how how this manifest itself at by people that really know how to deal with the mental health aspect of athletics. Yeah back that. I don't think we're at the point. Where we we know how to handle that now no I. Yeah I mean this was before. Cte was even like a thought could a possibility. But Yeah I think you're even in the articles they all all the. Even the explanations from these doctors felt a simplistic. Yes Yup you could. You could almost tell that there hasn't really been a lot of emphasis on on that side of things but it wasn't even just the the the depression and stuff because there was another article to focus specifically focusing on a tarragon mental health and the quote that I pulled from that one was The Norfolk County district. Attorney's office dismissed. The felony intimidation of a witness charge against the Glenn stemming from May sixteen incident which he allegedly assaulted. Kimberly combs the mother six year. Old Son Right. I saw that and I remember that happening either so again. I don't know if this was like public knowledge or maybe paying attention to it. 'cause I doubt I was reading newspapers and like you know around this time but I mean obviously we would hear about it more with the social media aspect of today but I just thought it was interesting. I mean and it's also I don't know it's a tough thing to talk about because it is a very real thing. I think that now a lot of people understand what it is Or at least experience it a little bit more. No willing to talk about it Is it fair? That was using the way that he did it again. Probably not because it doesn't necessarily advance The study of understanding of depression and anxiety. And all these things that you know I think is very much in play today but it was very interesting to to hear that. And obviously you know if you're dealing with depression anxiety. You're trying to get help. That also doesn't excuse behavior like what he was accused of You know it doesn't help that situation either and getting that discussion going by. I do think it's interesting because nowadays and I think social media has a lot to do with it but we see a lot of athletes dealing with this and people in their everyday life and now we're starting to talk about those things and try to figure out as a society how to deal with it but right can you imagine like twenty years ago dealing with it in fact was I don't know I mean he's he was definitely on something whether whatever it is were turned out to be which is it feels like shades of even like an Aaron Hernandez or like Antonio Brown like. There's there's just things going on like this this. This does feel very similar like the more that we get into it. It feels very similar to Antonio Brown's Which you know. Hopefully the league is a little bit different. Because I don't I'm not seeing anything Substance wise with him on at the moment but there is like a lot of the legal stuff up in the air. And you know hopefully I mean. He said he's talking to therapist. I don't know if Terry lead was at the time but then again I I don't know if this is an interesting For anybody listening or not. But I'm fascinated by this stuff because also if you're a football player what's your Terry Glenn You and parcells was already like on a little bit for being soft and this and that. That's not necessarily the environment that promotes you to share your feelings or at least explain that like you know things don't feel right and I don't know it must have been tough and like you said Aaron Hernandez you know. There's a documentary. That's coming out. I don't know what it's about. By the time this is released. It will have been out but based on what I've read on him. I mean he lived a sort of life that as a football player and as a tough guy but then he had other feelings as well. And it's like if you don't have an outlet for that That it's gotta be extremely tough again. It doesn't excuse his behavior or how he acted. You know deal with certain situations but I. It's gotta be tough. Yeah Yeah I think the fact that it's becoming more talked about these days is probably Heading in the right direction Both to it just was then people just trying to deal with on on their own right. So as much as we give Terry Glenn Shit and talk about. How much circuses? I think. There's definitely some deep veins of some sad shit that that the runs through all of this. And if I'm being honest I don't actually remember how this ends. The whole tagline thing because I don't remember him ever playing again but I remember. He obviously went to the cowboys with their bledsoe and parcels reunion. It's not like he played any of these playoff games or like super bowls than I that I remember. 'cause I those those games pretty vividly and he wasn't Parham so I don't know what happens with Terry Glenn this year. I think we're GONNA have have to. They will probably stumble across that together as we go here. That is the interesting thing about looking back at these things. Just kind of like understand what was going on behind the scenes that we didn't quite understanding for. Yeah because I think especially with with these positive football seasons the things you remember all the the the the good things you know welcome Lavar. Yeah well I mean I I mean what negative stuff did you remember about the two thousand one season before we start to two thousand one now? That's what I mean. It's all pretty exciting. Yeah I mean when it comes to sports I think you remember the Good Bits. And then for the most part unless there's some really heart wrenching thing like the helmet catcher something right. I don't really remember the bad stuff. Yeah that's true. I mean I'm also wondering on this time obviously Ballot check was establishing this culture right and it might not be the easiest thing to deal with when a player is sort of acting up or acting differently. They don't you know he's not telling the land for whatever reason and you know as a coach you obviously was like. We're going to do it this way. And I don't want to be distracted so it's not necessarily the most encouraging environment anyway but I also understand that because you're trying to implement this sort of structure at this like you know what this is going to become at would be came but we also see like outside of like mental health. Or you know you know sitting Terry Gland making those decisions. But he doesn't play the rest of the year. I don't know Or like you said you don't see them show up in any game so I mean maybe that was a ballot. Check thing to just try. Try Point I mean there were articles about how he was already screwing around with the injury. Report is at one point eighteen players on it or something like that so he got reprimanded with on the air here. The bell check was asked if he had issues. If issued such a lengthy injury report at the behest of the League office sometimes questions such reports. When few injuries are listed four-times bowel check was asked if the eighteen men list was a result of such a reprimand. His replies were as follows. No nope no not. That I'm aware of. He was definitely playing games with that. Whole injury. Report thing even back in two thousand one right so I mean I think all of these things coming to play. I obviously I think. He's he softened over the years. Because with the Josh Gordon Situation. I think they were a little bit more while lot. More ACCOMMODATING YEAH. I feel like the Corey Dillon's and the rainy mosses kind of softened him to to bring it in those 'cause he see that it can work as long as the the player has the right mindset. Right right I agree. Yeah so anyways I mean it'll be interesting to see how it plays out and I'm just interested as I get older as well as society progresses in whatever way it's going it's interesting to look back in You know I'm sure there's GonNa be other situation where we get a little bit more insight like. Oh okay yeah you know. Maybe there's something more going on. Yeah absolutely yeah. I don't know if anybody wants to listen to this stuff. So there you now's great stuff Plus I wrap this up. We've talked for quite a bit about all sorts of today Even some Some bills game. You want to start your best worst. Yeah I mean the obvious best which I wanted to avoid picking this. But it was the best. What is the ants? On Smith's touchdown that sealed the the game. I think it was one fifty seven left on the clock. they're trying to kill time and then Antoine Smith blows through pretty much. Everybody that was trying to tackle them gets a monster. Forty two yard run made the score. Twenty one eleven and pre which seals the deal Before that to show how bad this game was my best play was a Patrick Pass. Kickoff return that was fumbled picked up. He runs across the field. Bounces off a few guys for one thousand nine hundred third Returns that was my best play before that I mean it was exciting. Sure the Troy Brown and around that got called back from holding the reverse. Yeah Yeah that was one of my notes about Gus Johnson Brett Jones. That's not a fucking reverse right around right. I did write a note that though I love. Brady's hand off because he timed it perfectly held it long enough to make the plate. Work obviously didn't know what was your worst the game. Well the worst I would say is just any offensive line Play that allowed a sack and even like the hurries. I'd say I'll tell them the EH. The offensive line was terrible wasn't good. Yeah which I saw another article that they were talking about. Oh well maybe Bledsoe was better. You know because he would have been better if he had a better offensive line or whatever they were talking about how the offensive line play was a little bit better in You Know Brady's ten year two thousand one not Mike. I think they were the same. It's just sort of the decision making and whatever that comes with it. No you're right but I did like the quote from that Article In nineteen ninety nine. Let's play behind a line from which only one player remains. When I say that I don't mean still remains in New England. I mean still remains in pro football all right well. That's that's a major point right there by asa so not great I mean. I don't think this is head and shoulders better than the night but I was ninety nine was was. This is what I'm talking about when I'm talking about drew bledsoe correcting this team to victories. Is that's what he was dealing with right And I will say that I also wanted to touch on. This was so bad I wanted to get the other guys on here and see what they thought but when they put up put up all of posts like there's the NFL dot com one Yeah where this time. The Patriots were finally mentioned the first time all year that the the coal for NFL dot com actually referenced the Patriots Yup I have it here it was what has been the most surprising aspect of the two thousand one season thus far and the first option is emerging. Tom Brady where shrimp Jones picks up exactly so the New England but actually it was just because he's a new England right if you know if anybody has listened to some of these Bill now that there's a bunch of these dot com polls. They have nothing to do with the Patriots. Even though they're serving the Patriots game But then the the best thing that I thought they put up there was they. Were talking about Ted Johnson's favourite a ceiling. No go for it. Go for it. Go all right. That's a great segue. Yeah no my best actually had to Talking about Ted Johnson being an avid reader. Like you said it turns out. His favorite book is the notebook by Nicholas sparks. Apparently it's so good which those of you who have or are currently dating. Somebody got turned into a movie with Ryan. Gosling and it was fantastic. Yes and we'll make your significant other very matt you afterwards after watching it because you're not a nicholas sparks character from well when I will. I will admit that I watched that movie on my own at like three. Am by myself marriage to know what it was about and by the end. 'cause I think it's a horror film and nobody wants to talk about that but it is horror film and by the end. I think I cried by myself for at least five minutes. Not Out of like the love story but out of sheer fear. Because that's like a positive. I mean yeah that's fair but yeah that that that graphic that you're talking about they actually put up the graphic habit here I took a screen shot of it so I wouldn't forget it. Ted Johnson's favourite authors Deepak Chopra Nelson Nelson Mill. I believe it's pronounced John Grisham which Okay Great Robert Ludlum. Of course M Scott Peck who? I don't actually know. And then and then the aforementioned Nicholas Sparks. That is so funny though. They've avid reader for for especially for a run stopping linebacker. Who from the picture? They showed necks of this. These names of authors. His neck is actually wider than his head shaped. Remember that about. Yeah and so yeah just not something expects and my actually had another favorite and this is just a small thing but the Patriots ran a direct snap to Kevin Faulk on third and twelve. Play remember. Yeah it was It's halfway through the second quarter and they they didn't convert or anything so it didn't really work but I think I got like eight yards but On the direct. Snap to Faulk Tom. Brady's play fake was amazing. He literally act like he caught the ball and like was was doing his whole dropback and like looking looking across. Oh yeah now. Remember the announcers. Were talking about that too. Yeah it was amazing. It was so like rookie. Tom Brady like making sure everything is is exactly how it should be a Harto. Oh Yeah I don't even call him a hard all day. Well all all season. I guess I didn't know. Jj Watt is a Harto so no rookie. Tom Brady's Super Harto amazing And then my worst lots of pick from I think We'll go back to the kicking game. Kicker in this game is Jake Arians. He would not last the entire season with the buffalo bills. They would eventually replace him with Patriot. Legend Shane Graham Butts THEY. They mentioned in his first field goal attempts. I think it was Was in the second quarter. They talked about how this was the first or his the the fact that his last two field goal attempts have been blocked before kicking off one. So this is the first time in three kicks that he didn't have blocked and he made it pretty good. Yeah that was what kind of game this was. It was one of those so I think that does it for for this week. What do we have to look forward to Mr Mellow? I don't know but don't ruin it for me either because again. I'm experiencing this season as if I I think you will know this one. Don't you dare? The greatest show on turf is coming to town next week. One of the Games you remember. I'm sure I remember all of them. Okay I'm just trying not to so I don't think you you don't remember any of these games but everybody remembers. I Rams Game. Because that's when she got serious sell. Join US next episode when the Saint Louis Rams come to town face a new England patriots the currently five and four New England patriots. 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Local Hour: Life Hack Attack

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

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Local Hour: Life Hack Attack

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It's the shipping container and with you on Wednesday. Yeah, I think in the podcasters going to start with the first one, I just ruined it because we're talking about the laughing. You're supposed to sound like a bad as. Really east sabotage. I don't want to do your shine. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. All right. I'll take it from here. The shipping container rocking with you on a Wednesday. Yeah. Nice. What did you guys read? What was said yesterday, I don't know whether the information I've got on the heat is public or not. What was said yesterday, tell us what you tell us what you heard and we'll tell you if we read that, that that the Dion waiters rehab has been like really inconsistent. It hasn't been terribly professional organizations not not in a great place with the fact that like this isn't a botched turt- surgery situation. This is Dion waiters are the feeling is that this is Dion waiters reverting back into Dion waiters as soon as he signed he had those details are lacking. We just know that it's not going well. We don't know whose fault we haven't really heard reports that that his rehabbing has gone. Well, he's separate from the team. He hasn't been cleared for basketball. It hasn't been. I'm not even talking about professional by their standards because the Miami Heat is a professional organization. They behave professionally. I'm talking about by professional standards by anybody's standards like. Dion waiters has been a bit of a mystery and Dwayne Wade is told that he's coming back and not only told you coming back. He's gotta do the waiters role now, even though he's not in shape either. I mean, certainly better shape because the the little that I've seen from Dion waiters and how he's looking physically off of his Instagram. It's not the same looking dude from two years ago, understood to a certain degree because of the ankle surgery and whatnot. But this seems like a really bad situation. It seems as though the mind he got got got, got, and they got got by guy who many are just pointing and laughing at us. Of course, you're going to get caught by Dion waiters. That's who deal waiters. This is. This is what's funny about this conversation is a everyone around the country thinking that the Miami Heat are relying on Dion waiters is laughing at you, but Dion waiters is important to this team. They need a shot creator of fearless shot creator so much that they're going with Wade at this age, and he's going to be the guy still last ten minutes of the game. He's going to still be the guy. We saw a tremendous need for Dion waiters while we didn't have Dwayne. Wade on this scene. That's why the trade for twain Wade was so desperately needed because you needed somebody with that skill set someone who could create their own shot. Someone you could go to at the very end of games and hit someone could depend on and it just sort sort of sad that the person that you have to depend on in those situations is either someone you can't depend on Dion waiters or someone who's playing their last NBA season in Dwayne Wade, logjam at this position to, they've got a really weird Rosser construction, the Miami Heat really bizarre way. It's going to be that guy even if waiters is here now, like, are we? Are we saying that Wade is brought back because this waiters thing is question Mark. Chris, we when we were questioning what's taking, Dwayne so long and after a ten minute video, it seems as quite honestly was struggling with the decision, but they were starting to be reports that we all knew what the money was. There was something else at Wayne maybe wanted something more than just money. And maybe that was a defined role. Maybe no more coming off this bench stuff. Maybe don't put me behind Dion waiters in your plans type stuff. I don't know how to do the measurements on this because to any other human being, somebody would look Dwayne Wade and say, clearly he's in shape. Anybody would look at him and say that, but the Miami Heat have wrestled with him for a while about getting his weight down because they think as a player ages that you know, they were telling lebrons to get his weight down. They just don't want to be carrying that kind of weight. And I don't know what you do with the fact that Dwayne Wade. So I, I should correct that by saying, Dwayne Wade's not in shape. He's not in shaped by the standards of the Miami Heat that they always have for him. He's not wandering around with a pot belly, but I don't know what kind of shape Dion waiters is in its round. Shape is round him in. I mean, it could just, you could see it in his face and Dion has one of those faces that even when he's in shape, sort of like a Dan face. Right. Even when you were pretty spelt Dan, I your face. You couldn't tell. Oh, so his face is gotten a bit rounder when he was in shape. He was posing shirtless all the time by his pool, the Sturt has remained on. There's a lot of fortnight on the Instagram. Sorry, I'm just going off of what I know because the waiters is a relative mystery to everybody, and it seems as always a mystery to the Miami Heat at the moment. I think I saw a video of him. He posted a photo of himself on a court from far away with a baggy t. shirt on and I was like, okay, he's he's on a court, and that's good a minute. Is this like. I remember my childhood. I never understood in the heart videos why the lead singer was always sort of hiding in the shadows behind curtains and stuff, and it's because they were trying to conceal that she was heavy. I didn't realize that until after the fact is that what the waiters is doing on Instagram, he's like, he's he's making videos where he's hiding behind billowing curtains. So people can't see that he's bloated. I know that move. So do I, it takes two to no one. It's way recognize it. It's very hard to hide fat people. So what do they do? Because this team has shown a pretty remarkable inability to trade bad contracts. Everyone says, oh, those are going to be hard contract to treat. No, I'll tell you what they're doing. Mike, I'll tell you what they're doing. They are. They are preparing for two thousand twenty like this is the chance that this team as is will get because everything that they were offered force them to put value on something. Everything that they were offered, they tried to get in on the stuff they tried. That's not a surprise just they, they didn't have what San Antonio wanted. And San Antonio didn't wanna go three teams, four teams, five teams Antonio just wanted to go wanting. It's just frustrating me because you see the NBA Timothy MAs gov gets traded like seventeen times. Lual. Dang that contracts off the Lakers books that appears Noah's. To be off the books at some point, all these other teams, some of them bad teams are figuring out ways to get rid of bad com. Wait a minute then was bought out, wasn't it? Yeah, and he's going to have a cap number, but the damage is limited. What I'm saying is I'm seeing a lot of bad teams around the NBA, find a way to pull off something that Pat Riley isn't, which is sort of disheartening to me. I understand. He doesn't want to take such a loss. On a return of his investment, but other teams are doing it and they're getting sort of instant relief. And I understand twenty twenties in the picture. But this is they have not gotten up from the swing and a miss on Kevin Durant. They have not gotten up from there and the plan now is to go with this unit. It's not to be trading. People go at this with this unit for a year and see if they can win anything and then regroup for two thousand twenty who are the free agents to trial dream on who else is into freak is a part of that class. I mean, look at twenty twenty class boat. Here we are again, this is this appointing because we've done this for the, but that's where this is where it is. I haven't unpopular question. How long can you continue to tell your fan base like, oh, we're all in in twenty seventeen. We're all in two thousand eighteen. No, no, we're planning for twenty twenty lake. It just seems like every season they're waiting for the offseason that's coming up or the following off season, and then nothing ends up happening and in their weight. For two more off-seasons from then, well, what if they bought themselves with you? Because they've been really good for twenty years about flipping it over and turning it over and making the transitions from Glen Rice to Alonzo Mourning. They've always made the transition to Tim Hardaway to Jamal Mashburn to regrouping with Dwayne, Wade to making it Wade, LeBron Bosch like your spe-. I understand why you're you're frustrated by the last couple of seasons, but look, what happened in Atlanta. Follow me on this first. Second following in Atlanta boot and holder winds coach of the year, look at them. Now Chicago was winning sixty games. Derrick rose league. MVP look them. Now the Miami Heat have been playoff relevant saved for a couple of years for twenty seasons, and I understand your frustration. I understand your impatience. You're right. The fan wants something better than this, but are you okay with them, trading, bam, and Richardson. I wins load. That's that's over. Like Winslow can can can be the negro dolla somewhere. But like the idea of the their shirts over what they thought that when when Boston was trying to trade up to get him. What what they thought Winslow Mike, be something better than Jaylen Brown. Yeah, understood. So that was a big mistake not taking that offer for Justice window right now that he'd have a decision to make right when it comes to just in Justice Winslow and locking them up by the way twenty twenty eight in class has headlined by quiet Leonard and Kyrie Irving. Draymond green is also in that class. Kevin Durant is in that class and in twenty twenty one. That's when Greek freak and Damian Lillard hit the free agent market. It's just with basketball. It seems like these free agents now are just going to a place, not like the location where they wanna play, where there's a friend of theirs or where they can, you know, contend against the warriors are against, you know, the Lakers if the Lakers build something or the cats and what is their down here that's drawing people to come here. Well, this is what I would say to you and it's not a relevant. Okay. Because we were having these conversations when the Lakers were getting buried by the Kobe contract, Dwayne wanted a contract. Act that was for several years in Kerry deep into his thirties, late thirties, the heat would not give it. They wouldn't make the trade of. We are keeping Dwayne Wade by any measure necessary, and they let him go. And now what they get is in this purgatory year, what they get is the Kobe, Brian, farewell tour. That's what they're paying Dwayne. Wade for he'll play the last ten minutes. They'll be a decent team, but this is Dwayne Wade season. This is the farewell tour. This is the Kobe, Brian thing. This is Duane getting the send off. He deserves from Miami. So when you asked me, what does does the fan want? Well, you can go out and celebrate the greatest athlete, south Florida has ever had that because this is the by you get forty one more in the playoffs and the last ten minutes of these games. You're, you're going to want to like that. That would be my selling point if I were the Miami, he okay. For clarification contracts like James Johnson Dion, waiters, Kelly, Olympic. They come off the Miami Heat's books at the end of the twenty twenty twenty twenty one season in that summer Lillard Anthony Davis, Gordon Hayward, Victor Ola depot. All become available on the free agent market Greek as well. So now it's twenty twenty one we're waiting. Yeah, it's after the twenty to twenty twenty one season. But what you were saying about their selling that this year I'm buying. I'm more excited about this season than I have any of the recent seasons like this is exciting. I'm I'm jealous. I was jealous watching that Koby. I wonder if I wonder if Miami will show the proper appreciation like Los Angeles showed for Kobe Bryant because he is our Kobe Bryant. I've told you before that the numbers -gistically. I mean, I was asking a bunch of people about this and they're like, yeah, Dwayne Wade's best was better than Kobe's best. Kobe just did it longer, but Dwayne Wade's best. The high end of Dwayne Wade beat the high end of Kobe. And I hope Miami appreciates that because this season is about celebrate, but nationally is he on the level of code Bryant? Like if he goes, if we go to Milwaukee, are they gonna do a whole presentation before the game. Thanks. So I think they might. They might. What do you guys think though maybe they won't maybe because. I believe this is the rocking chair to a right Kareem is is the first one who did it. And I do believe that you're going to have the gift giving tour who was it? Oh, Trevor Hoffman now, was it Trevor how somebody gave him a surfboard and he's like, he couldn't get it on the plane. He's like, what am I supposed to do with this? Like some of these gifts just get left behind in the locker Maryono sandcastle there's no real way to put that in your your suit, the tour that he didn't want is the one we're going on. Yeah. Yeah. The one that he's been quoted maybe if he does know if he doesn't want it, then maybe maybe teams won't do it. He wanted. Video anyone's time for the video. Can I can I raise a real concern here with the Miami Heat and Pat Riley. I'm going to do it because LeBron James is out of the east. Okay, Philadelphia. That was a tough series better right now. Obviously Boston better right now, obviously, but this isn't the Gulf that was there when Cleveland was sitting atop the conference with kyri and LeBron James, it's to be had if you make a move, I don't think he doesn't wanna make. Philadelphia. Good deal better than we're five seat. Oh yes, because LeBron's gone it. You don't know who's going to win the east. You're, you're not accounting for the idea that Boston Philadelphia's players are young and are going to get better and and and Boston didn't even what Boston did last year without those two guys crazy. Like they don't the the Miami Heat. Anytime they step on the floor with those two teams, they've got the third best player each each of those teams. They're going up against Philadelphia and Boston have to better players than anyone on the Heat's Ross. Yes, and they're ascending and we're appear to be descending. But every time those teams play Boston against Miami Philadelphia against Miami games, a close, their compelling, the Miami. He play Boston really well, like grinds doing the though the Homer, the games are close thing. Again, we would've eliminated the Sixers if that was just a a series plate of first half only come on now make a move donlevatar. Okay, John. Yeah, that's a good question. I was going to ask is everything okay. Oh cough, neither allergies, so it makes me okay. No problems to God's. You'll get. Yeah, yo que Jeff yoga's. All right. How about you? I'm thanks for your concern. Never had anyone I've ever met this concerned over the house. I appreciate it. I'm a big fan. Now I'm not. Okay. You don't care how I'm doing anyway. More really. So true. Our show with the stugatz on the ticket. It's the shipping container and with you on a Wednesday. This is exciting. We're going to do what life hack attack. If you've ever heard it before. It's a fund segment, we all go around the room. We give a life hack that some that makes your day a little easier and then the callers will judge who the winner is. We have a very complicated system on how we judge this call in right now. Seven eight, six, four, five, six, four, eight, three, seven, Philip the lines we will open up all the lines at the end of the life, ACA tack, and we will judge based on applause. Do I have that right? Billy is the not at all the New South and set up? No, no, no, no, no. We have very expensive machine. So this is how it works. Seven eight, six, four, five, six, four, eight, three, seven. If you wanna call in and clap for which life hack you think was the best or you like the best or whatever, whatever your way of determining which life hack wins. You're gonna applause. However, are machine is. Offensive, but can't tell the difference between clapping and Hoon and hollering and noisemaking and moving and hissing. So when you hear the life that you wanna vote for you clap and that's it. Now, guys, I've told you this before we have caller ID and if you do anything except clap, you're gonna get banned for life at every week. I don't know why that's people, but every week someone gets excited and they start whistling or cheering or just forming some sort of ruckus McConnell. And you know, then the person gets disqualified, and I've been disqualified twice already and I like to win today. So please stop making noise other than clapping. And that's not the only thing that's bad about it. Not just your disqualification, what's it takes a long time to repair the machine after someone breaks it with something other than claps. We'd like to do this segment. It's actually got a bit of traction despite it not really having any sense of order. I'm going to tell you right. Now, one our engineer has told us stop doing this segment every time you do it, you mess up our machine. He has to come all the way over here from Coral, Gables to recalibrate things he doesn't like it. So please guys don't make one's life difficult and just clap. That's it. Show one and the game, some respect, Chris. Would you like to do the honors? It is time for the life. Exciting. I'm really good at this game. I should have won both times. You've done it three times twice. I should want every this is always appointed attention. The very start because someone wants to lead it off aways and someone thinks her chances are better winning if they go at the end. You invented this game? Yes. So you go ahead and decide who goes first? Well, I've always gone, I and I do feel like it's in disadvantage because the callers aren't even up yet. So they're not listening. It's also a disadvantage for you because your life hack attacks are amazing, no sense whatsoever. No, go. I go border callers already guys. So. So everyone is going to hear it. So if you go first, you don't have to worry about someone not being on the line, Chris, you, you decide to go first. ROY. All right, I right. So you know the holes that are in the handles your pots and pans the not just made for hanging the pans above your stove, or above your kitchen or not? No, you can actually put the tinsels that you're using the cook with inside. Why. Why. When you're putting them down to do something else? Yes, exactly. So a spatula, I can just set it inside their. Yup, because sometimes you set the spatula on the counter in counters. Got germs. You gotta take out a paper towel and put the spatula in the paper towel. It's good paper towel. Exactly. Wow, wow. But I mean, there is a chance at the handle, make sure the handle extends out over the stove, right? Yeah, you don't want to knock the handle, then. Utensil poems out this. You'll want that this is an incredible life hack. Yeah, you go, Mike, I go next. Okay. Well, I mean, this isn't much of a surprise because I, I've mentioned this before, but I have terrible nipples. I was a fat kid really stretched out my nipples to the point now I've lost a lot of weight recently, but I still look that in certain types of t shirts, you know, assured that you could look at in right away by the material sideline. Poa polos are no Gulf shirts, terrible for me. Even heap court culture shirts, a bit of a problem. Despite the large often often large print on it still makes men nipples look pretty wack. So a couple weeks ago I bought something called Mr. nipple, which on the surface is like a sticker for your nipple, but it's so much more than that. I mean, this thing uses nanotechnology and Chris, I looked at my shirt the other day when I was wearing Mr. nipple and you couldn't even tell could not tell that I was wearing Mr. nipple. What does that mean? It uses. Nanotechnology, and that's something that you saying no one really understands nanotechnology. So it's something that you say to make something seem impressive. It's changed my life. My posture when I go out has improved. I'm going out with all this confidence. I'm wearing shirts that I wouldn't normally wear. So Mr. nipple. I thank you. You're my life. Hack attack your life. Your life back is just the product. It's a product. Is there a way to work out your nipples? That's a great. Well, here's what I do before I put on the Mr. nipple. I usually do it right away in the morning because it's a little cold in my house in the nipples are a little hard that way. If you put the Mr. nipple on right away, it actually holds that shape weight. It holds the shape, boat wrecks nipple. It holds a shape. Nipple little texture on the nipple. Billy go ahead. All right. I'm between two. So I'm kind of in the same. I'm kind of in the same boat. Yeah, I still like right now don't know which one I'm going to choose one. All right. I'm between two. So these are the two know these are the to play with. That's going to complicate the voting. We have a complicated another voting system that out. Don't worry, we'll that'll sort itself out. Okay. He's going in with to all right, first one, this is what I saw on the internet. So this one is just kind of like a throwaway one. So I saw if you need to hang something right and use exact holes, and you're always they're like measuring like, don't know how to do it. If you make a copy of the thing, and then you put that copy on the wall. You just drill through the copy and the holes would be precise. So like if you're going to hang a picture frame or something, make a copy of the picture frame, but the copy on the wall, and then you just drill the hole right through where the picture frame would go. And then it'll lineup, this would require a mighty small picture frame copy of it, just you would just need something that would need holes like eight and a half or eleven inches apart. What's your next? Yeah. Go. Why. Why did you even let's is that one as good as the other one, the other one's more route the other ones. Like if you're in an elevator or you know if there's people near you. A lot of these actually have a third one. If you want the third elevator one, the other one is if there's people that are too close to you. I know that I gave you the one before if you're at a bar people or too close to you, poor drink on the seat so that it's wet and no one will sit there because it's a what he wants to sit on. What see this one is more personal space thing, but it's the same kind of thing because lots of places you go and people don't respect personal space, and I don't understand that in elevators in particular, they'll get it right up, you know, in your business and people will try to cram in safety hazard on top of everything else because those elevators can only hold a certain amount of weight. So if people get right, nice and close to you is what you start doing. Okay. We're, we're finally getting you start coughing or sneezing really loud. And you start making a whole thing and then no one's gonna wanna get sick, so they'll stay away from you. They'll give you a nice little bubble about one or two feet around. You start doing that and then people think you're shaking. They're not gonna want to be close. There's a common thread throughout all his life hacks. Have you noticed this? It's just people get the hell away from and they're also all things Billy would actually never do. Never do have the confidence pull this up. I did that in an elevator. Know another thing. I did it in an elevator because I was on a cruise, and there was too many people like coming in. And there was this person that like the elevators very clearly full, and there was that little bubble around me or in front of me, went around someone in a wheelchair around a person in a stroller, like instead of just waiting two minutes for the next elevator. There's like eight elevators on this cruise and put themselves in the back of the thing. They're only going up like a floor, so they then have to go round and then are talking like super loud to somebody else. So then I just started talking a lot or Mike, what what? And I just start talking even louder. I still have no idea what your life egg is. Well, there's again, it's okay. If you're in an elevator crowded, they can six minute. Okay. Start coughing if you don't want people around you elevator. Sorry, we'll get to your third wanna. Hang something. You just make a copy of it two dollars and then you you hang it up. All right. My turn to go last. I forgot the third one. I was going to give it to you. This list shame you guys ever set out on a long road trip. You're driving across the state, maybe going to a theme park. Remember the third one quick. Now, if you don't want to be bound by anything, don't sign your actual name on stuff. Sign a fake name. Glad we got to that. I mean. You're taking a long trip across the state driving somewhere you ever get about four or five hours away and you think yourself then I locked my front door man. That is the worst feeling. Yep, is nodding yes, that has happened to all of us. Here's the life AC do something unusual when locking the door before long trip to remember, you've definitely done it. Maybe do a little wave thing with your arms. Maybe maybe do a couple of claps, maybe sing a little song, so you can think back, you know what? I definitely locked the door because I sang that song as I was doing the door. Did a handstand. Exactly. This is actually pretty helpful, I think. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's pretty terrific. I mean, it's a great idea. I think I definitely one this. The problem with that idea is what you start to. You know, you start thinking about two hours in his whether or not you clapped or not. That's that's the problem. Yeah. No, but this is just for long trips. Right. So it's something that you specially reserved for long trip, right? That way really sticks out because how often are you going on long trip? Don't do this daily and it just becomes geic. Two white noise I take a long trip every single day. All right. This is voting time Bill. You wanna you the listeners. All right guys, one more time. We'll go through the rules. We have machine. It only measures applause. Don't whistle. Don't boo. Don't move. Don't hiss. We have caller ID. I'm seeing you to a one, two, five one, six. Oh, nine. I see all your phone numbers here. So I'm just telling you those aren't. Those are just the area coach, just so that you're aware that I see your numbers here. You will be banned for life because we can tell who's making noise aside from clapping. All right for the audience, we should review one last time. Everyone's life hacks. All right. Mine was Mr. nipple. If he's go over your nipples to give you all sorts of confidence and make your nipples look, read ROY. Mine was putting your utensils in the whole of the handles of your pots and pans. Yeah, mine was if you're in a crowded elevator, you cough or sneeze to keep people away from you and if you're hanging something you make a copy so you could just drill the holes. And if you don't. Want to be bound to anything. Legally, don't sign your actual name. Just sign a fake name. Mine was if you're driving on a long road trip and you don't remember whether you locked your door or not do something wacky as you're locking your door to really drive home that you definitely did it. Okay. I'm nervous about this. All right, bye sound of applause and applause only. I'll much do you like Roy's life hack. Decent turnout, right by a sound of applause and applause. Only how much do you like my life back. Disqualified collar worn, and we have to recalibrate the machine the whole block them for life. They are blocked the horn. All right. Let's move on. We have to keep moving okay by Senate applause and applause only. I would just tell her showing. So what's talking in the background. Hey, hey. Oh my gosh, could block hang up on them. Hang up on them. By applause applause. Only. How do you like Billy's life? Heck. He did have three. Yeah, did have three absurd. You should have been disqualified. I'm disqualified. All right. And by a sound of applause applause, only Chris cody's life hack. And this one's tough. I clearly would have one bad horn. Close? Yeah, it's it's close, I think between Billy and Chris. All right. So I've been disqualified one more time applause, and applause only four Billy's life hacks. Applause and applause only for Chris cody's life hacks. Thank me Chris Cody. This was the life hack attack. Donlevatar hall of Famer, Tony Burrows peas in their show. Hall of Famer. Andre Dawson does not stugatz. That is the news that I bring you. I'm a journalist, this is Dr show with the stugatz on the ticket. We've really been remiss this is a rare rare thing. I think perhaps the first time this has ever happened in the history of our show where we get to Wednesday without having properly made fun of Stu gods for his jets, losing that adult, God says, escaped to God's came out of the box forty eight point. He he went from all offseason, questioning Sam, darnold, not understanding why they didn't keep teddy Bridgewater does he's the talent evaluator of all talent evaluators? Could he used them Sunday? And then he immediately turned on Sam darnold turned towards him darnold after forty eight points and now turns away again from Sam. Darnold, but the Miami dolphin fan. Are you in or are you dolphin or you doll fout us. You're like. Your dolphin right now? Yeah, because to and to know, are you as dolphin? Is the Bengals her dolphin, wait. What. I think you are actually. Yeah, I think you're as dolphin as as Bengal fans. I think anyone who's to it. Oh, dolphin. You're, you're super excited because you're playing the raiders and their fans are grew out, knock route in. I may three stared at you right in the face then three know. I mean he wants the last time the dollar the we're told you, Chris Cody told you just like he told you, who did you was it? Was it Brinson or was it someone else that you told us how to pitch Lewis? Brinson? It was Brinson. You told us you told us the scouting report, Chris Cody told you the dolphins would start three now outside of? No, not really. He said two and one two one, but he refused to give the order of how that was going to happen. So if you're keeping track at home, will you guys actually made me specifically pick them losing to the raiders? Actually two and two because I haven't listened to Pat steel. I had it favored to win according to ESPN taking account times a and they actually won the division if they win on Sunday. This'll be the latest in the season. They've been sole possession of first place in the AFC. Since two thousand and five. No damn team. Oh, are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? It's been thirteen years that they've been in first place in week three. Well, after week, three count our chickens before they hatch, but keep keep in mind if they win this game against the the, the Oakland Raiders look listless and look like they're trying to find their way three, you know, headed into game with the New England, Patriots. Did you guys see the video by the way after trading Khalil Mack, the guy who replaced him in Oakland? Have you guys seen the video? His name is escaping me right now, but in the last drive, he's playing defense in the two minute drive for Denver to win the game. And that guy wasn't trying at all like he was just running around very slowly. And what was clear is that he wasn't in shape like he was totally. Gas wasn't expecting play this much. The replacement for Khalil Mack was I've got you gotta find this video. You guys got a Google search it because it's funny. He's just running around out there and he's not doing any thing. He just running sideways. He's just exhausted. I don't even know why. I don't know why he didn't ask how to the game. I'm looking for the video. A name would help. Yeah, I know. I'm sorry. Some post that tank Carradine was supposed to be colo- max replacement, but I'm not finding any videos of tin kerosene actually. No, that's not the guy I was thinking of. I'm sorry, I sent you on this goose chase. Like would you know the name if we would? I know. And I know that wasn't the name? Yes, Bruce Irving is it raiders depth chart. Here we go. Arden key think it might be Bruce Irvin keep going. I think it is Bruce Irvin Bruce Irvin Bruce Irvin video search. This is how you get your dolphin coverage here during the local hour here on a Wednesday in my, we are on the precipice of sue gates of seeing the full spectrum of jets fan in just three weeks because he was so sure that he found the quarterback after that Monday night blowout win at Detroit. I mean Detroit team. I do wonder about this help me out here guys because Detroit's getting well. That's what you think. One added into Monday night football. They're obviously not because he beat them. It is Bruce Irvin I'm watching the video right now. Describe it to the people because it's not in front of me, but do I have it accurately described and he looks like you running? Yeah, I mean, that's you top speed, but for an NFL player. This is pretty disappointing. Yeah. So I want to ask you guys this question though, because the dolphins have been entirely retool. They got rid of all the names that you know, they got rid of pouncey in sue and Landry and Jay Ajayi j. and when they get rid of everybody, Adam gaces telling you because some of the some of them were puzzling. Jay Ajayi to all of us was like, well, wait a minute. What why would you do that? Why would you trade that? So he's now going with the voiceless faceless, nameless route of, I'm going to do it with my guys, the guys who will do it my way all of these, you know, an occasional fast Albert, but these are the guys that are that are gonna do it my way. And, and here's the thing about that. With ten hill healthy. This is a team that can win ten games. We know that and it's gone. What's going to happen is it's going to get what's going to get the credit when the dolphins are. If the dolphins win ten games is that Adam gays shook it up and change the culture, but what they will be the same team that they were two years ago when they made the playoffs and then immediately lost but didn't have ten to tannehill didn't play in that game that he actually got her towards the tail end of the season more and make that sort at Pittsburgh. It's an interesting thing though, because they've got all of these guys that now are not j. j. where the obvious talent is there for all to see. But the dolphins didn't like some of that. That culture stuff. And this one's interesting to me and it's always interesting to me. I imagine we'll talk about it nationally, but there's a new book out on Tom Brady now. And one of the things in the book is the patriots. Don't believe that Tom Brady is a special as the rest of us do. The patriots believe. They're the reason, Tom Brady is that kind of special. And I'm always worried when ego like that gets in the way. Does Adam gays think that he can mix and match his way with? No, Jay Ajayi ease with no Jarvis Landry with just his guys his way anonymous guys does he think he can mix and match his way that JJ doesn't fit his system, but the system is what matters and he's going to get the guys who run his system. Jarvis Landry wasn't happy with how he was using this system even want a bunch of short caches. He wanted to be used down the field and what did Adam gay said? You're not worth that much. Get outta here. He's gone and Adam gazes to it. Oh, I mean. I think, yeah, I think of course, Adam games believes that it's got to be my type of guy, my player who fits my system and if I have those guys, then yes, we can win bold though to do at his age with no pedigree, no head, coaching pedigree. That's a pretty bold thing to do after your first bad season. Like everything was gold in the first season. The second sees all of a sudden becomes on case, isn't that special and it's not even his fault. All that was his tannehill got hurt like this for all the work and culture around this football team. It all comes down to is your quarterback healthy. And if he is, you'll get the couple of bounces. Maybe you went ten and if he's not, you go seven to nine and unless you're the patriots and Brady's after the entire season, you go eleven five. They roll. I agree with you on. I think you're just talking kind of offensively. The defense is the real thing where they could take the next step like they held the jets to forty two rushing yards to create a bunch of turnovers. The defense is the wildcard here that if the defense is a little better than it was last year, the team is going to be better than how could it be without endemic into seriously. I asked this question seriously. How could this defense since it's still got Kiko Alonzo in coverage. How could this defense be better? Because if it's going to be better, it's going to be better largely on guys that I mean, you could say, minkah Fitzpatrick is a huge difference maker. They didn't know his name on PTI. They did not know his name, Michael wilbon. Tony Kornheiser did not know about the name Minka Fitzpatrick, and that guy's going to be like he's going to be a very good player. I mean, su- by all accounts is destructive force, but Detroit not really missing in Dhamma consume probably have more success without him Miami in the early going, having some success without Donna consume. Maybe he's just one of those weird players that pops out Paul, it's weird. It's not him. It's football. That's weird. It doesn't make any sense that dominates who you can always have him on your team and still somehow your defense is never good like that makes no sense. Their best player might be saving how Howard too, like they have some names Reshad Jones. The defense is better than I think people Joe Jones's Jones's the playmaker Jones's around the football. I can't. I'm trying to think of the last safety man. The dolphin fan has had some frustrations with the safety position over the years. Going back to Louis Oliver big hitting Lewis, Oliver, who always got there just a little too late. But when he got there, man, yes, he brought. He brought lumber with him. He added to my four on his shoulder when he got there, but very often he did not get there. He got there on time. Whoa, playmaking Brock Marion now, Brock Marion, you know, wait a minute, Brock, Mary, and they had him returning kicks. You didn't make plays. He wasn't fast. Oh, he made plays. I think you re. I think it took went to the house. I think we, I think you're right about that. Brock marion. We could. We could have fun. We can have fun to got one day, just taking calls on people. Naming the dolphin defensive backs that they've been frustrated with over the. Goes back aways. It goes back to bleeping livered hobbling like every Hemi, right. I mean, this is like, yeah, it's not even Terrell Buckley. It's way back way back in the way back machine to lifted Hopley. Brian Walker, ooh, play make a ball hawks Marion and Walker. I don't think they've had a playmaker safety my wrong about this and my forgetting someone. Why now. People like they like your mind Bill because he was you win. Why bell yet? Well, he went why bell because he didn't know his first name. Exactly.

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Tiki Barber

Huddle Up with Gus

1:14:31 hr | 7 months ago

Tiki Barber

"Welcome everyone to huddle with Gus. I'm your host Gusts Ferrat. I played quarterback in the NFL for fifteen years and have lots of stories to share. I'm joined by longtime friend and Co's Dave Hager David. I talked to our guests. About how scorch shape their success in life? We are radio DOT COM original podcasts. And you can catch on the new radio DOT COM APP or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast. You can also find us under the big top at the sports circus hosted by Sal. The ringmaster look for us on MTV DOT COM. That's a MP TV DOT com the next time you stay in hotels across America. I hope you enjoy your show and let us know what you think by going to our website up with gusts dot com. Please like and subscribe. Now let's get into with today's guest. Hello everyone thank you for joining us on another episode of huddled with gas. I'm here with my longtime friend and Co host. Dave I guess and Today Jay we're joined by a very special guest had an amazing athletic career and continuous career on many different areas So it proves that athletes can do type things and You know he's one of the smartest guys but a valid tournaments. High School graduates top honors at Virginia. So this guy has just the epitome of what athletes can do. I think and today joining us in Honolulu former New York giant tiki barber so Tiki. Thank you for joining us today. And we're glad that you're in a huddle with us. I appreciate you gus. Good to see day seeing you so cheeky tells about played against both you. And your brother Ron Day. You never intercepted me but he has so. I like you a lot more. So I'm the nicer twin girls. Yeah yeah it's kind of like the bean twin. He's beats the alter ego. I'm the good guy. Yeah but but where it is when you came out of the womb. You're the fiery one right. The fire island right. Yeah so you know but you guys have similar careers both athleticism brains. Just do amazing things but what was the first time that you can remember back to when you were a kid growing up that you fell in love with sports. Yeah you know. It started playing soccer. Interestingly enough and remember hating the sport because it was cold it goes in the fall and also freezing and yet we're shorts and a t-shirt shirt. Our coach wanted to make us tough. Overdue is running around. I didn't get the sport as they've been doing he would. Just run it out but I loved running and so the next year my spots are friends started playing football we were like ten years old and me and Ronnie don't WanNa be left out so we decided to join the football team and because we were so fast we got like the mark positions and so the coaches all right. Just take it and go run. You know there. And we'd run around the end and Had Success really early because of our natural athleticism and it made me Love Sport I. It was a way to be accepted and to achieve something you didn't you don't realize because you're having fun when your kid. But over time it became our way to differentiate and be unique in a way TIKI. Did you like as a kid growing up. Did you play a lot of sports with kids in your neighborhood like would you guys have never heard pick up and stuff like that? Yeah no doubt I mean I kind of miss that you know raising my kids now. They're isolated. They stay inside playing video games and make their own sports teams. But it's not as free as it used to be when I was a kid. I I'm getting on my bike and just leaving in writing and being out for five six hours out of a whole day. My mom not really worrying me. She probably was worried. But that like I would worry. It might. Kids left at least twelve years old and was gone for five hours on chains. A little bit in that that freedom of play is gone so much more structured the these days. I don't know if that's a good thing or bad thing But it just is what it is But you know I think I think that unstructured plays would kind of made me. I don't know it it it. It made me do so many different things. It's why I love playing. You know football. It's why love baseball I love wrestling Because I we were always doing all those things with a new. The No riffing and no coaching truly help people develop their interpersonal skills and stuff to disorder bombs yourself you. You didn't have a graph to break it up. You'd figure it was going to fight. You better figure it out to help you out like orbital picking teams or like. Hey Hey hey I lost my baseball. Okay what ball do you have? We got a football all right. Let's go play football. Figure it out and make the rules up as we go. Dave and I talk about wiffle ball a lot like there's always rules for wiffle ball that you make in whatever environment you're in you might have a big yard a small yard. Whatever it is you just make the rules as you go and I. I think I do think kids miss that today now. I think you're right. I mean it's it's almost it's like they're catered to those all the time like if we as parents and it's our fault as well telling our kids what they should be doing and how they should be doing it instead of letting them figure it out themselves so that natural curiosity that was. I think important. You know this well. It was important to help you get through tough times when you're in high school or an earn earn college and you can't quite figure it out you have this intuitive miss that you learned when you were ten or twelve years old that help you. Nowadays kids hit problems and they. They often can't figure out how to get out of them and it derails them. Sometimes I've gone through a lot of things in my career as a lot of people know and all those tough times that I've gone through growing up living out in the country. I can remember a time where I came home crying. I don't know I've maybe. Eight years old or something and and these two older kids that maybe were twelve thirteen or something stole my bike and I went home and like they wouldn't give it back and I went home and told my dad. He's working in the garden after work. You know you just worked in eight hour shift and he goes. That's your bike. Don't come home to you have it again. Yeah go get it right. Go get it and I'm like I love you man I go dead. But how am I gonNA he goes. You got to figure that out you got to figure out how to get that bike back and so walking around the neighborhood for eight hours trying to figure out. This thing then realized that these kids put in the highest tree that they could find. I got my buddy and we went and took the bike back and I went back home. It was almost time for the whistle blow. I knew if I didn't have my bike I was late. I was really going to be in trouble but I don't know I'm the same way my kids didn't go through anything like that and I wish I would`ve. Yeah you know it's because it fills a toughness and know. Now they get it in by playing sports but it happens later in sometimes it takes adversity later in life. And you know I. I know they're going to be okay because you know the end of the day just trying to raise the kids and and it's more important when people say your kids a good kid as opposed to. He's a good athlete and my two older ones are at that point in the seventeen and fifteen are playing football up in Greenwich and They've they've been really good as athletes but I get more joy at parents telling me your kids a good kid but I also want them to be successful right. It's because I know what it was like for me To go through life as a successful athlete and the doors that open right it just it just the world becomes your voice your especially if you take advantage of it and you play the game the right way. Yes did you and your brother play every sport together or were there you played in different. Look I grew up with a single mom. My Mom and dad were divorced when I was young. Two years older so and so my mom would tell all the sports leagues. They better be on the same team. Who wasn't there not play it up to two practices Yeah we were always always together. went to school together as a gusts. Dave at University of Virginia felt like there was a chance like a really small chance. Come drafty that rounding. After I got picked the second round to go through the giants that rendezvous was picked to come with the giants two in the third round but the Took them about to pick before the giants at a shot The only time. We've really got the play together again was in the pro bowls. It's it's wide love my last three years like I didn't get good like pro bowl good until the end of my career And and oats four five and six and those last three years for eight hours able to play in Hawaii with my brother back. My last game was by a teammate of my brother which was Kinda also brought it full hunting. Oh Yeah I'm sure that that had to be very difficult after all those years playing on the same team being together weight room. You Guys Roommate College Roommates at home for ugly. That's right and then all the sudden you can you imagine if you get to the pros and and you're you're growing up separately. Well they're playing also in the same time zone. Two one o'clock start so it's kind of hard to watch each other. You know I never got to see it. I'd always call. What have I could see the score? Because they have all the scores on the you know in the stadium so I could see him either winner. Loss of that guy what happened. Hey picked off ron again. A lot of people. Your brother's really really on now in high school. So we learn you're playing soccer and football now heist needed you play multiple sports in high school. Well I stopped soccer after like twelve years because I hated being cold But what we did. Do we try out for the basketball team? And we didn't make it because we didn't know how to dribble like it was a skill we never developed so we didn't make the basketball team coach. Come back next year though. You're good athlete. No worker the skill and come back next year instead. We went out for the wrestling team so we didn't make the basketball team as we wrestle and we're really good at wrestling In fact we both went to district and worked district champions at our weight respectively. Classes in eighth grade ninth grade until basketball never came back into the picture and I kind of still basketball's one sport. I never really really really took up but wrestling and then obviously football and in track and field were the things that we did During high school and track was great because it developed my speed. Allowed me to be an agile. A runner which served me well as a football player. Obviously an interesting you though wrestling was probably more important because you. I learned so much about my body like how to manipulate other other bodies and how to take kit. How fall like all these things that are important in football? I learned from being a wrestler and so We did that up until Tenth Grade. And then we stopped and we just ran. Football Played football and ran track But I loved it. I loved being an athlete. And I I. I missed those. Those high school athletic competitions. Because they're just kind of pure you know like not worried about being the best in the nation. Nowadays kids are but back. Then you just worried about being the best in your neighborhood or invest in your in the end the town maybe the best in the state it wasn't weren't like getting on twitter or whatever and looking where my ranked in the whatever the battle or whatever. You're doing those things like you do now. Do you find yourself like for me. Sometimes I'll smell something that brings back like an instant memory like I can play baseball. Glove smelled like and so sometimes you smell leather. It'll smell like that so wrestling. There's a lot of smells going on and wrestling. You don't WanNa remind you may not want to remember the. Did you say that because so my my football coach junior high was also the wrestling coach. Steve Spangler the ultimately went to the high schools always my high school coach to and then a couple years after we left highschool principal. He's the principal is to and he was great but he was like. I mean he was tough so wrestling they. It's not like at least ours wasn't an open gym. It was a little tiny room right. He would shut in. It was all padded like every of walls were padded And he would shut the door and it was like a sauna in there for two hours of practice and you talk about like smells and like more like sensations so there is a a door in like a like a utility door in the back right corner of the wrestling room and we'd be doing. Are things whatever wrestling you know running around just running losing weight and we'd probably get break but you couldn't leave the room so everybody would clamor for this like this little door. It was like little tiny door and there was a slit about that. Fett dig underneath it. And everybody's trying to get areas like church turns us like trying to get some cool air on your face. Legal ever forget that because it was so intense like wrestling is so intense that little half of cool air with like make your day so I know what you mean. You never forget those things. Well I mean. I've coached football after I played and kids that were wrestlers. I've seen them go. Talk about learning your body. Wrestling is going to teach you more about your body and your stamina and how far take than anything because I had kids who just played football and they would run. They think they're going to pass out in. The wrestlers are just like. Yeah whatever. And they're just running back out size. It teaches you such a mentality. My discipline standpoint. So Harry my wife's father. My wife's father was My High School football coach and he recently just passed. His favorite players. Were always wrestlers. Yeah they're this and there's also like a like a adaptability to their game so they could almost do whatever you want because you know. They're small strong Jones. Really strong like this stupid unexplainable strength They're they`re. They're often like the smartest guys because it's all tactical when you're in an individual sport and it's like literally man against man. It's not like boxing where you're just striking. It's you're grappling with someone you're trying to. How can I get your body leverage Off of off kilter so that I can gain an advantage. And it's like it's really hand to hand combat. It's important in football because especially if you're you know a blocker has some capacity It's all about finding the right leverage in wrestlers. Just have that intuitively And they have to do it on a regular basis so I mean I tried to get my kids to wrestle. They don't need is just not the same in the northeast like it was in the south or like it is out out west but maybe maybe one of these days one may one of my younger kids are in college now and gunner. I remember the first time we put a single on. He came out and say dad. I can't wear this after wrestling. You have to wear this. He goes I know. But they were wrestling tournaments. A lot of people were there and he's like that I'm just I can't get over like this and everybody seeing it. I'm like Dude Arisen Hannity Air. Nastiest thing can't care you tell us about your high school football career then. When did you really start to become good in these started did know things? Maybe they'll go beyond high school. Yes Oh for for us. High School. Football didn't start temporary so my freshman year. I was still into junior high So my tenth grade year which was my first year in high school. Ten eleven twelve is our high school Me and Ronnie joined the team and we were so good In Our I think because my coach knew me from junior high told you at junior high coach with my high school coach well He said if you can earn starting jobs than than I'm GonNa give it to you and so are running back. I started running back. Was this guy is names Twain whip and he was draped but because my camp went so well they moved him to quarterback and I ended up starting running back as a sophomore And that's kind of what I knew that I had had it. Whatever that intangible is Was My was my sophomore year. Rhonda didn't he didn't. It ended in ended up having for him till the next year but once he became the starter he because like all district came on best players in the state. And so we've kind of always done this thing. He staggers me by a year so get into the NFL. I start as a as a rookie for the giants. He kinda didn't play all almost out of the League at where he sees But then the very next year he becomes one of the best defensive backs in the national football same thing happened in College. I started or played at least a lot as a freshman first years we call it at. Uva He didn't do anything is next year which was his richer freshman year he was the ACC rookie of the year. Like so we've always like used each other's successes To help Appel one another forward and It started I started high school now. The problem is that cave spring. We weren't very good. I think we have a two guys who ended up being multiple your bowlers in the NFL. I think we won. Most the most in one season one was five games. Like we just didn't have a good team But we have fun. Mike like guard was as big as he was like. We were small. We get pushed around. We played some bigger bigger teams of. We had a ton of fun and I learned a lot about success achievement from some of the failures that I would do in high school. I tell people all the time. It doesn't matter where you go to school. If you're good and you work hard you have heart and determination they're gonna find you right now especially now especially yes you with colleges absolutely and it's so much more. I heard this the other day because you know my son is my oldest is seventeen and we're starting to go through this process and you know like a lot of people WanNa talk about stats right. Hey How many. How many touchdowns did you have a yard? You report ultimately that matters but probably like that much talk about. What kind of kid are you? Are you GonNa into our program? Are you going to work hard? How do you deal with with failure and And disappointments and you know. I had this conversation with my seventeen year old about a week and a half ago. Two weeks ago because I was reading about the NFL draft at Hell. You know these. These scouts now are looking back it with these kids did in high school like the parent of getting ready for the NFL. We'll say like a highschool so I said to my my my oldest son. Ej said ask you a question. I don't want you to answer just about it right if if if if someone went and ask you you know what? What are you best debt? Or what your best trae for? How do you deal with success? How do you deal affiliate? How do you deal with disappointment? Would you have an answer? And he said yes I would. I said okay. Now what if they ask your teammates and your coaches that same question? What would they say about you? And he's like you know I got to think about that one. And but but that's that's really what matters because ultimately you can thank you the greatest and you're doing all all things the right way but if you're if you're not a good teammate. If you don't work the right way from your coaches that's the perception that ultimately will rail you when you go to the next levels start your day sunny side up at the Westin Bonaventure Hotel and suites and enjoy breakfast for two on us. No matter how you plan to spend your trip to Los Angeles start every day with a hearty meal to kick start your morning. Enjoy breakfast for two on us for each day. You stay for reservations bishop that Promo Code S. for be appears in the Promo Code box when making your online reservations at Marriott Dot Com backslash lax VW. Or call one eight hundred two two eight ninety to ninety and ask for Promotional Code S. Four B. Yeah no I completely agree with that and I think that feedback is the most important thing. You can get a lot of times. Friends don't give you feedback. I think you had you had such a special relationship with your brother. You probably will give you another feedback when you felt like. Shit said about you. You were terrible right. Yeah you look at your terrible but it was also you know that that's kind of I needed it right especially when I got to new I mean I was you get. You can't help but get overconfident about you. Know successfully when you come to when you do it in a place like New York and so to have my brother that I keep it real with such an important part of I think my success. What was the recruiting process with you and your brother? Four College. Yes we we were. We're like really good athletes in state weren't like five star athletes. We had stars Backpedal L. I don't remember what the process was like But Virginia Tech looked at us. Because that's where my mom and dad went to school and my dad was football. Star there The local school clemson was one of the Schools that we looked at Penn state was interested. But then Jim Caldwell who was recruiting us left and went to wake forest to be the head coach. Nobody picked US up. So we're getting letters here and there At we only took two visits one was Virginia. Obviously the other one was We were really interested in going to Michigan Because of the academic a prestigious university even those a long way away and I remember we got a call from running back coach. Jim Something or another. I can't remember his name but he gave us a call right before visit instead. Unfortunately we had to cancel your trip because we're snowed in. It was like all right. We're good gloss. You can't get into and out of it. Snowed in. Like sodas like this place and then we can finish up Virginia like two days later. Did it turned out to be the best. It does the best situation for US I was. I was a geek going growing up. I was Geek all through college and I wanted to be an astronaut football or something I was. I was also really good at in. Virginia was the right academic environment for me to to to grow and become a man that I that I ultimately came along the way I got good at some bump my my second third year An ASS Kinda just an average guy. And then I got an opportunity to start against Michigan in pigskin classic and had a hundred and eighty yards and the rest was culpable or at least Virginia. Football History in that propelled me to the NFL. But I wanted to work for or Microsoft or something like that Football kind of interrupted my my actual dream with you right. We think over guests for joining us here on how to walk. You know they can find us on radio DOT COM or they can find is under the big top. As was sal the ringmaster and the sport circus and on MTV so we're here talking with Tiki Barber. Were moving into your college days. Your you and your brother Roommates. Is it feel like Hey. We need to leave home. Where together we're doing this thing. We're going after the world together. I mean that'd be such a feeling it was it was it was comforting cause. Uva An intimidating place like intimidating academic environment. They care about sports and obviously as of late really started to do well with the major sports. We've always been good at the Like the non professional sports like Lacrosse and announced that isn't professional analysis with the P L L Soccer. We were always great at diving track and field baseball with recently. Got Really good at the last new decade or so But it like state you you know what I mean. It was celebrated athletic or athletic success but it was really like all right well. What are you majoring in? And you get a grant to this but the other thing in. Are you going to work on the hill And so it was a little bit intimidating for us so to have You know my twin with me like literally every step of the way we took all the same classes as first years there And and and walk the same path so to speak if it made it comfortable and made it made it easy for us And then football once. Football started to take off and we became comfortable. There and coach Welch was amazing Challenged US being great We we were able to fulfil. I think a lot of people's expectations for us. Who's the better student between you to question I was I just worked? Hard at rendezvous smart. I mean he is smart but he didn't want to be the smartest he just. He was good being smart. I was I wanted to be the smartest And to this day like my wife and friends they call me fun fact Tiki. Because I studied stupid things that don't make any sense But it's just things that are interesting to me an interesting. I think that helped me become a better football player. You because you know this is not always the biggest guy. Strongest is not. That wasn't me right. I was hundred ninety five thousand. I was the first year it can be and but I knew like about like physics and I knew about how dems from wrestling and other things how to take contact and how to stay on my feet and healthy helped me become a successful player ups right so I want to ask is why why did you did you. WanNa be at NASA. Were you a kid and Virginia looked up at the stars on all the time. Saying it's just I. It's you know your New York City. You probably don't see any stars in New York not at all. I mean we're out in Jersey now so sometimes we care but you'll remember this. Gus was a challenge of baby so when I was eleven years old This the space shuttle Challenger blew up and I remember we were in school at Oak Grove. Elementary and all the teachers were like sitting around us. We were sitting in a circle watching the TV of of the. Tv's because Sandra McCullough was on the space shuttle She was a teacher and it blew like we're sitting school in this thing blows up and it was in all the teachers. Leave the room. Everybody's emotional like it was like an indelible moment my life that I'll just never forget and not too soon. After that like NASA became a really interesting in the world because of that disaster. But then what they were doing going. Forward and space camps became huge. Unless you remember this era into like the late eighties. Space can't became big a big deal and it was all the rage in media But we couldn't afford it right on. My friends would go to space camp in the summer but we couldn't because my mom did make up space in the my dream became to be an Asha Lingo space fans. But you know what? I'M GOING TO BE AN ASTRONAUT. And my mom would always tell me you can be an astronaut you've got you've got to be the best student in the school and that's drove me to to to make straight and make a beast from eighth grade on And finished as one of our Valedictorians at a case break high school. And so like I chose you. I looked at Michigan because they had a great engineering school Virginia Tech obviously is a is a A great of Polytechnic Institute as well as the actual name is Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Ultimately was UVA because they're Engineering Program there the e school. Which is what I entered as And so I went to the east school at Uva and it was challenging ends. Because I had to take all my classes early in the morning because football was in the afternoon and then labs I would have to wait in the evening after football practice and so my life was inundated with stuff and but I fell in love with computers right. It was the first time I've ever interacted with the computer. I mean I had a commodore sixty four but like our full cuter At UVA in writing these programs became like English was so easy to me. This was really intuitive. And so I. I unfortunately left my dream of being an astronaut and went into commerce school the business school and studied database design in management in the mcintire School of Commerce as in S. Major And that became my dream because right about that time. Guess what happened in? Nineteen ninety three or four The Internet started to blow up into programming. an html and creating these like these. I don't these these pages that were kind of pointless like I had I had created by old page of the Tiki Tiki Barber. Page mad once like Hawaiian. Tease right on the front page and yet to do an H. Map reference to find one to get in so I created this like only one of them will let you into page and I had like pictures from cal from my college games and stuff like that but you picked the wrong wide. You get diverted somewhere else. So I don't know I spent my. I was such a Geek. Is it my entire like nights sitting in the Computer Lab Again these things will never. I'll never they'll never leave my mind right. A. Because like nineteen ninety five. A game was created Dum because remember this so doom took over use computer labs like people stopped working in would play the stupid video game. One of the first first person shooters A. They played video games for hours. And that's about two or three on public six or seven. How for play this stupid game? Doom to the point that they had to ban it from the computer lab because people who didn't have computers in their like apartments like I did could give work itself. You know we have to learn how to switch. You quickly. Switched from like playing doom. Whatever program you're just you're getting so that was my distance fantasy. Football's big part of my life. But it was. It was also a small part of it. I really wish I would have learned more about computers because actually did the first. All sports live interview on the Internet for them. Yes so when? I was playing for the Redskins. Jimmy Lin who was head of AOL. Sports came to my house and we did an interview. Member Davey was telling us that that a he put everything out there and he goes yet. You're the first one we've ever done. He like are my house from from. Their headquarters was a mile away. So as right at the time. I'm like no how special that was until later on your by the lake and I do more with them. But you don't some people if you don't know you don't know yeah that's right and that's the that's it a lot of people just don't aren't aware where where it's going but I think because of y two K like the potential of Y2K. We all remember this When we thought the world was going to shut down all because some of these a lot of computer programs are built on these old systems. you know like Like like cobol. Earning some of these other programming languages. The didn't have four spaces like four slot spaces for for the date. The only have two spaces like data points for for the date. And they're like. Oh what happens when we get two thousand? We can't just briefly eight. Eighty eight or seventy five or ninety nine as the world's GonNa Love Winning Right Act up you have like actually fifty years. Because they were computer programming started. It was probably fifty. You still had like twenty fifty before yet. Duplicate records and things go haywire but like took over like like school. It took over like how like lessons were designed. It was it was crazy. It was insane. It was exciting and scary thing about miscarrying. We're talking about a computer. Potential Computer Bug was like most terrifying thing. Now we're talking about corona virus and things of that nature so it's just a different world news well set more straightforward why to cast playing for the Detroit Lions. We were going to play Minnesota team us. Take all of our family with US. Because that was the weekend it was gonNA turn and like we said okay. If we're all going down we want you to be with your family and the whole team we took over. I had my wife the kids everybody there and it's like okay like they could it is. That's crazy we. Everybody had their whole family. You know tell them. I remember like after midnight when it's switched. I remember turning on the TV. Being like clicking. Going I mean it seems wait. Honey seems normal. One one thing happened. Everybody's computer still working. We still played the game like the. Nfl's not going to shut down the whole world could be ending but the NFL gotta go on those worries word. That really worrisome. Right exactly exactly. So you and your brother going through. You have incredible college careers now. It's time to Kinda being recognized by the NFL. You guys scouts come see you and then all of a sudden you go to the combine and go and get into the draft. I mean you're doing this all together. It had to be just a dream come true. Such a surreal moment for you and Rhonda. It tells monk Dave yes. It was a surreal dream in Ron Day. Actually 'cause I mentioned he. Richard be at an extra year but the eligibility but he said you know his so. He's like you're not going to be here of already. Graduated with the heck are going to stay at school so he came out early In a lot of people didn't they said will you`re? You're making a mistake because your draft status is lower than it could be if you stayed for another year. Think about that. That's how they used to say this year because you know improve your draft status. Now see all the way around. It was like get out early because your second contract. You're going to be too old if you stay till food. It's crazy like how it's all flip So yes we went through this process. I remember like we were fast. Track athletes like we knew how to run. We know how to do all the things that good football players do but that was that was right after the the whole Mike Mobile limping. Remember this Mike Moolah who trained for the combine and specifically for the combine and crushes. You know getting drafted really high. Nobody Eagles that's right and so My Age we hired like had us go out there and trains accountant. I'm like why are we going to train combat? I know how to run a forty like I know how to like bench but I know how to do all these things but it was. It was actually really cool because me and Rondo displaced from like this world that we had known for four years at Uva where like across the country Arizona training for the combine. We got we got. I mean we've always been tight but it was was being grown up tight. If that makes sense yeah type take to leave school and go dares Zona and then like start the pair for the NFL draft made us grownup tight. It was neat as unique because we were kind of on our own. Like you're on your own college but it's like a structure there when you're halfway across the country on your own time. It's kind of cool Draft Day was interesting. We decided to play golf. Went to Third World Country Club which is also Virginia. It's the University of Virginia Right Own Home Course for for the golf team and you know it was like we weren't good at golf. Who were just Kinda out messing around and hacking around expecting the phone call. It did come until at least for me until a whole seventeen. So we're almost done and I remember Pat Gamblin who was still the the the the information's for formation guy. They're called me and said hey where we're going to put you on the phone with coach fossil and we're going to take the next pick and it was the sixth pick in the second round and to be honest with you like coach fossils his first year. So I'm like the heck is awesome but I didn't know it took me a few minutes to figure out what Steve was draft but it but it was neat. You know it wasn't any fanfare. It's kind of like congrats. Brother gave you a hug. We finished up around. That went Went to a bar at beers of dinner with waited for him to get picked. What's happened about two hours later? So that's pretty amazing story. Though the two brothers get picked same day I mean how? How did your mom doing all that she loved it? Jus there seems to dinner with us. we'd spent the morning by ourselves playing golf and but we knew it was. We knew it was happening We knew for the first time in our lives we were going to be separated And it was it was bittersweet. It was awesome because we were entering the state and following this dream that we had wanted for so long but at the same time we knew that for the first time in our existence we were not going to be under the same roof and doing the same thing But it was. I mean it's it's it's it's drinking. I'd like it's I can't I can't explain the emotion That that we felt exiled as well. I mean our phone wheel at first year because back then you had to pay for your cell phone. Bill was ridiculous I mean we talk every night like what's going on. That wasn't we weren't married. We'd Kinda I'm in I'm in Jersey are slash New York He's down at Tampa just like you've just weird but it was. We figured it out. We always do yeah. I'm sure well it's nice. You had each other in a lean on. I was married after my first year. So my wife and I've been closed for a long long time so I always had to lean on so I can imagine what you guys went through the first time being a part that had to be definitely difficult but exciting that has to be the point of the Lowest Loki draft story that we've heard for someone that's projected high. You know what I mean. Yeah I mean you guys just guys out on the golf course. We had no idea back then. You don't really. You didn't really know like I was projected anywhere from you. Know top of middle of the first round so the third round like I think belt. Kuyper had four traffic. Then Hutt I came to find out because fossil actually wanted to take the number seven overall But they I then Jim skipper running back coach. She that he would tell me sometime later. He's like that coffee some money. I was like what do you mean he's like? Jim Wanted to take you number seven. But but he also wanted Ike Hilliard and he and he told Jim told Jim. Skipper told Jim Fossil. If you take Tiki seven you're not going to get in the second round. If you take I at seven you might still get Tiki in the second round and in fell all the way back to the second round and It worked out you know I almost interestingly got picked by Tampa Bay buccaneers. They chose work done at the end of the first round. And and I've subsequently had this conversation with rich McKay who's now the vice president president not the vice president. The president of the Atlanta Falcons. He said we had conversation about you for work done. Interestingly me and work done so pro stats are almost identical right Any one US over with work was at. He went to Florida state and they were in temple. Who had been in Pittsburgh or something? I could've been. I could've been a bucket. Yeah right well. Do you think they draft you? Do you think they would still drafted your brother? I you know. I don't know they have a need. Both positions probably the giants also had a need at both positions Because Jason Seahorn was in his third year I believe until they were like it was give to that point where they had to either. Try to replace Jason or sign into long term contract. They ultimately signed up twelve on contract. Mc Two years later So like it was. It was a couple instances where we almost on draft day. We almost ended up on the same team. But it didn't happen. And then you guys both play with the same team your careers yet. Which is why I mean very I played ten and I was lucky to stay because They tried to replace me. Early often. Because I got hurt and then I was ineffective they brought in Gary Brown and they drafted Joe Montgomery from Ohio State. Right Sean Bennett. They brought in from three ring went to school but he was a he was a good player. Then they drafted Ron Dane in two thousand. Who was the heisman trophy winner and the all time leading rusher in college football history and so often Tiki is going to be done but at that point. That's that's the year that it hit for me in two thousand four out of your head in the NFL. Things just slowed down for me. Sean Payton with office coordinator changed the scheme. To fit fit me it was. He wanted to use me a lot. Like Marshall Faulk issues with the with the Rams In an excel. It took my career took off restaurant thousand yards the first time we went to the Super Bowl. I signed an extension and the rest is history. A valet stay and play your next getaway to Los Angeles. The Western Bonaventure Hotel. Suites offers effortless access to all the city of angels has to offer whether you're hoping to catch a concert or sporting events are hotels just moments from all the action and accessible to Hollywood beaches museums and theme parks. The package includes a guest room and valet parking reservations. Use Promo Code. Psf In the code box making your online reservation or call one two one three six two four thousand and Ashworth Promo Code Esa. What a crazy amazing story and I think that what you guys have gone through such a great story to tell. Even though there's a lot of information out there about you and your brother but I feel like that what we wanna do is really bring that out in the way that you have is that you know we all have these different transitions in life and you guys had to make a tough one for each of you and it works out. You know a lot of people. Don't think that because I have to get a new job or move to something else or go wherever it's not gonNa work out and you guys ultimately proved that it does look. I think life is. Life is a constant process of reinvention. And if you get stuck in doing or thinking that you have to be who you were you're never gonNA move forward. You can never dance like you always have to evolve and I think having a twin and having Someone to live vicariously through my life through for all for all really my whole life forty four years. Almost forty five now has helped me manage that. So I've been lucky so you go through your you have an amazing career. I mean pro bowls. Y'All most of you went to the Super Bowl right but then you left. Thank you retired. The next year is that when x year which is crazy. You're probably like okay. I could have just stayed on. I want to whoever and done whatever but you know it's funny. I was telling me that the year that you guys lost to the Ravens in the Super Bowl. I played them the first playoff game in Baltimore. Because I was the quarterback for the broncos. That's right and we played in Baltimore in rain and that Defense Talk. Good did they were. They were unbelievable. It was a scheme. That Sam Adams and Tony Siracusa and as three hundred pound really like three hundred. Thirty pound. D- tackles so there was no way to block rate Lewis. Right is that at the seasons that he had when that when that front four was established as it was you can block them so he could go. Muniz athletic enough. It's fast enough physical enough. But there was no impediment from implant sideline to sideline and so we met them. It was I mean they punted. They kicked us off into like the twelve fourteen yard line. We never got out of our like until the second half it was. It was rough sledding. Thirteen that had played pretty well. We've played well up until that point. I think that's like overall for total yardage lowest in Super Bowl History. Probably the combined total yardage was like yes warning. Fda returned it was back to that. Kickoff returns like they scored points. But it wasn't because you know they dominated They had that one big play Were Jason on. It wasn't really seat. More play with really safeties play seahorn. Kinda covered up for him with that was really it? I mean they go round the ball to in Jamal Lewis And then play great defense like they had a great game plan in invested us when we played. You couldn't make a Pastel. Filthy sat on everything because the front. The Evan was so good. You didn't hear any time in the pocket you had to get rid of the Balso guys their corners. Never there were just like glue on adding Rod McKee and then we had a decent running game. It's just like Oh man we just because they could shut down the run game. They could and did a good enough job to manage the game. I remember he threw one. Terrell Buckley went to pick it off his hands. Shannon Sharpe was tight end. Grab it runs down the side. There's only score. We lost seven to three and but they were they. Were really really good. That you're you're right so unless you could bike. Lock them up for success seconds. Three seven five seconds so that you could throw a deep pass yet no chance it was easier said than will and then you had to have somebody fast enough to get behind right. We'll know I was going to say back in two. I think it was like forty mile. An hour wind also honest. But so you have an amazing career pro bowls. I'm not sure if I've read this right this right. He said that you were NFL player of the year. Right where you in that low? I made an all pro team at but it was. It wasn't like the. Nfl's play the like the like one of the magazines like APR or Sports. Not Maybe maybe. Those sports illustrated the sporting news. Or something like that Back in two thousand five. Which was one of my my better years. I have two hundred three two hundred yard games that year to mayor and Bob Tisch. Both passed away in It had an impact of strong impact on my life Obviously football season but my life like I remember coach. Koffler telling us that we were the team of record for bothering in Wellington. Because we knew that they might pass away and having had the relationship that I had with them. It every game was meaningful to me that season Including you know that. The REDSKINS GAME RIGHT AFTER WELLINGTON. Pass away where restaurant two hundred eleven yards and have a touchdown and That was three quarters. And we we we blew. We blew skins out. That means thirty six enough and But it was it was meaningful to me because it was the only way to pay for me to pay tribute to one of the greats of the sport certainly. Nfl and in particular the New York giants right. So I think what it says. There's that when you can play the game with tons of emotion and passion. You reach that you didn't think you could reach and I think that's what the game of football is all about when you see teams. That are really good. They're planning for a cause for reason. And just just like you did in two thousand five you can't you can't discount that right and it's their feels tangible. It sounds wishy washy But you know this. Gus like football players live by these stupid cliches like. I gotta get one hundred ten percent actually. Do you know what I'm right. Take Time you actually do because you caught. You know thinking about mistakes or even the successes from previous iterations of the game then you end up being paralyzed like we live by these things because they're real on the Lousy Nasty Tiki bug retirement. How do you go about you left? You still some miles left. You could have gone. You know like you chose to leave at a time where you are still very good wear. What was the thinking process and that it was. It was twofold one physically. My body was just starting to breakdown. I could feel it. It didn't show itself because I because of the prep But I could feel myself slowing a little bit. Like fifty yard touchdown runs turning into you. Know Twenty five yard runs Or you know of the contact that I use in maps feel Now said Mike. I can't get out of bed for three days until like physically. I was starting to deteriorate but I think more more importantly the opportunities that came my way by being a New Yorker or unexplained. But just I found myself often saying why am I doing here? I'll give you a couple examples. One I met Shimon Peres. Who was the vice premier of Israel in a restaurant and tau on fifty Seventh Street in New York City? Any invited me to Israel until I went to Israel as a guest of the premiere of Israel I remember sitting in the Knesset which is part of it and having like a state meeting to chairs like Cameron. People me and I'm like what am I doing here? Like I've made my brother wrote children's books ultimately twelve of them assignment and Shuster's my editor was like grow was a woman by the name of Paulo. Wiseman she was all still. Dick Cheney's wife. So Lynne Cheney's editor as well so I ended up five myself. This like Simon and Schuster dinner sitting next to Lynch Cheney and she invites me to the vice president's Christmas party until three weeks later I'm in DC shaking hands vice president. Dick Cheney in you know hobnobbing with Lieutenant General Obiero At at a bar who was secretary of State Rice's military adviser you fast forward a year later. Having a conversation with Tony Snow I knew from my Fox News days. Who USED TO BE White House? Press Secretary who had was having conversations with Secretary of state rice and he says to me you know who really wants to Secretary of State Rice. I'm like get out of here week later. I get a call from Secretary Secretary. They set up a meeting. I'm having lunch in the State Department with Condoleeza Rice and I'm like what am I doing here right so these things kept happening to me like over and over and over and football while still a big part of my life became like less interesting. If that makes sense they backup thirty minutes ago. I'm a geek. Like I love information. I love like absorbing new experiences and at thirty years old thirty one years old. I could feel myself being more interested in all of these other things that I was doing. You know going to work out. Joe Carini my trainer squatting six hundred pounds and dead lift and five hundred pounds and and building myself up physically for game that I could feel myself slowing down. So it's complicated and like people look at it and they get cynical or they get like snarky about it. The giants won a super bowl the following year. But I like. I wasn't willing to commit what I used to commit to be as great as I was and I knew it and so I walked away. It's hard for people understand that but that's my reality now. I think that's an amazing explanation because you had other opportunities coming at you that we're we're bringing interest rate me you've done football for so long is pretty cocaine. I'm going to go do the same thing again. You know what you have to do but you gotta do it to get on the field and compete against the top athletes in the world. All of a sudden you have other realms coming at you that you wonder about wondering out government and broadcasting and you're meeting all these people that are and I can imagine why I can see why that would be interesting to say okay. I've had opportunities. This has given me those. I'm GonNa go chase 'em now. I'm getting excited again. That's right and try and would winning of soup. I I often think about this people. Ask me all the time you regret. You know leaving for the desktop super bowl and I think. Im now in my life. And the things that I've that I've done doing a national radio show and having a couple of businesses. I've started the kids and like I try to think if I if I had a championship would it change like my life more? I am right now. The answer is probably no like maybe perceptually in New York it would. But what would I be doing anything differently? And the answer is no and so I don't regret it because it didn't negatively affect me by not being on a championship team that makes sense like I. I think there's some people who define themselves by by sport. Maybe it would but that was never me. That wasn't me when I was fifteen years old. It's certainly about me when I'm forty four. So you've gone through a lot of things that you've retired live in life like everybody else's living now as everybody says you now we're in the real world and we're doing normal things but so give us a kind of a quick history of everything that you've done for yourself personally in business wise and and really what you're doing now that you have a vision and a passionate about that you want to speak to. Yeah so I mean again. It's like sport is. There's some success some failures the first thing I did actually when I retired to start a In an affordable housing World with Steve Ross. Who's the owner of the dolphins? He had he's looking at a portfolio. It was based out of my home town so why partnered with them and the timing ended up being terrible because the market corrected itself it. Oh eight and you know tax credit accurately. Which was how refinancing this deal. Went from ninety six cents on the dollar To about sixty seven cents on the dollar so we couldn't finance the deal and obviously that was on the equity side on the debt side. Nobody was lending in two thousand eight. Either by defaulting on this big deal that we were getting into luckily Steve. Who's a mental man? Let us out of that deal. He personally guaranteed it and it turned around for him You fast forward. A couple of years later he ends up becoming The initial investor seed investor for a company that started called Physio which is an event coming And Media Company. That is split into two things. One is a influential marketing. Company called Julius Enthusiasm. We do events in about eight different markets across the country soon to be hopefully twenty markets around country with with retired athletes and entertainers in membership based type of type of Environment Is Fun. And it's growing at its. It's engaging keeps you busy. We're so we realized when we started the company that everyone is an enthusiast of something And so like the Sushi at one point zero I WANNA go to dinner with gusts right war on a play basketball with whatever John starts now with Enron Day. Yeah exactly like you. We created a marketplace. Where that were that transaction can happen. The hard part about it was that we ultimately were touching every transaction. And when you have to touch every transaction it's not scalable and so we shifted The the business a little bit too of the demand side as supposed to supply side is when you're working on the supply side. You're essentially an agent right. We didn't want to be an agent. We wanted to find demand and service that the man right. That's why we split to two companies one does events for financial advisers or others who are entertaining clients with our without our network and then wanted influencer marketing company. So that brand's we're looking for the perfect influence for their their Their campaign confined to us Until it's been it's been great obviously have been doing. Cbs Sports Radio for eight years. Now me and Brandon Tierney national show. That's that's on from now three to six eastern Noon to three Pacific. And that's great because Keith. Meat and engaged and touching the world of sports which. I still love even not involved in it as an athlete anymore. So what do you think that Joe Judge has to do to continue what the New York giants have built all these years with Jim Fossil and and Tom Coughlin and everybody else that has been a coach there and the players that have come you know he just hired Jayson Gears offense coordinator? What do you think yeah? I do too because I think it will help. Joe But what do you think Joe has to do to to keep that that giant just? Hey we're the best in this business. What I listened to his in his introductory press conference. He said something that really resonated with me that he wanted to bring like the blue collar back to this New York giants team. This this this Northeast Air New Jersey. New York Connecticut allowed blue-collar giants fans here. And it's all about work. It's not about being flashy. It's not about you know. Look at me. It's about doing doing your job being accountable for your job. And if there's one thing that he needs to bring back it's that right it's not about you know my success about our success In He's got the right coaching staff around him to start do that. Another bret. Bielema is also involved. Now's the linebacker coach Jason Garrett who have ton of respect for. He was a teammate of mine. Back for us. That year we went to the Super Bowl. We talked about and was really integral. In helping Kerry Collins became a quarterback that he ultimately became for us And so it's it's it's building right staff which he's done because young coach who doesn't have head coaching experience. But he's got coaching former head coaches on staff. And then now it's about putting the right talent together in like the giants have always had a philosophy. It's about character right. It's not about you have the best potential. It's about character. Michael Strahan was drafted. He wasn't like the consist number. One overall defensive lineman deep Russian in his draft. Amani toomer certainly wasn't bad. I wasn't that but we were we. We became great because of the work effort at work that we committed to and I think The giants players like that. They do have a few of them right now. I think especially with Saquon who is as humble of players. I've ever seen the spike amidst talent. And if you keep building that way then I think Joe Judge will be on the right path Tiki. Being on the radio you have to follow all sports and have you always been like that of you always followed Major League baseball. Only one that I didn't like have the deep dive in was bit was baseball. But I'm lucky because Brandon Tierney my co host. He played baseball at marriage and he. He loves the sport and so over the last like seven years. Seven and a half years. I've learned like the inside In like the like the inner workings of what? Baseball's all about now and it's been fun right because we we get the have these conversations about spend raid and you know Ship the shift and these issues that are affecting that game And have a conversation about it in basketball always loved How how that game has changed over the last? You know really ten years even over the last five now. is fascinating. I'm always talking with Brandon about the rockets. He doesn't believe they can win. But just to watch them play and they're so small They're all like linebackers. Two though like all thick like defenders to you try to switch onto a smaller guy doesn't matter right because eight. They switched the pick and roll. And like they just pound you submission. They're willing to give up point things like they did against the Knicks. They lost his game but A couple of days ago the gave up I think the point paint differential was negative. Twenty eight combat it by being so positive in the three point rates and the free point of plus minus and so sometimes it will work. Sometimes it won't but just think about that like we were going up watching whoever the next of whoever like it was a dump it down to a big man back into this. It's GonNa make the the dream shake right and Houston like he had these post moves. It were ridiculous. Who has a post move anymore? You know what I mean. No I got my spot on the wing. I don't care if you don't care. Who's trying to get get my spot? I'm GONNA take right until it's like the game is involved instead of talk about it on a daily basis is it's fun you and I'm sure you've learned a lot. I mean I just wonder if you would talk about all these different point differentials and all these different things if you weren't doing a sports show now right now but now that you're in there because I know how you are with data and analytics I bet you just dive head first. And you've learned that you've learned about sports that you would have never thought that you would have had an. It's you know what it is. Gus Informs me like because I understand where the data's coming from it at force me about what I'm actually seeing him on the court And it's fun and I got an opportunity of last Two years to do some College Football Games compass media on the radio and so like being live at a game In an like taking all these data points in trying to discuss it like like Explain it to an audience. Something that I didn't think that I would enjoy but I started to love it and it was nothing like being in a live game. I did a couple of Alabama Games over the last couple of years and that environment at Bryant Denny Stadium is I mean that's like football like you'd never believe Intel that's been to. I've enjoyed the evolution of my professional career awesome. So now we're going to get into our last segment here really quick. No huddle couple minutes here but we want to thank everybody listening. You can join us on radio DOT COM and also radio DOT COM sports and find this under the big top was sal the ringmaster and Sports Circus and MTV. So now we're going to get into the no huddle segment. Dave always runs the show here so David Away or a tiki. If we're talking. Uva Mount Rushmore. And he can't put presidents on you have to put athletes. What what for athletes would you put on Mount Rushmore? Is this all sports? This is all sports though Ralph Sampson for sure Herman Moore gotta be hard not to put showing more on there as well Claudio Yo Raina. Does he want championships with soccer and Lacrosse player? I know this but I I'm GonNa say Thomas Jones just to put my boy on their record. We won't tell Chris long you left them off of their. Yeah I will. What is your biggest pet peeve? My biggest pet peeves sports pet peeves. We're talking about any pet peeve. Mine is people that left lane when you're driving what I think. My biggest pet peeve obviously is as People who drive behind you with their high beams on right. This happens to me like literally every day and they don't know it and so I'm trying to tell them I don't tell them. Your High Beam drawing gives off. But it doesn't do it. I think he's just like all people who drive with the high beams on visit. Flynt's me me thinking my high beams are on and they're not on yet frustrated. Man I love going back at maybe. Let me tell you cop down the road. But that's that's supposed to be turning off and on Thursday what's the biggest difference between the NFL today in when you retired Contact it's like they've legislated contact out of the game and in some ways that's a good thing because of of how physical game has as always been in the dangers. That come from outlying. Yup repeated head trauma and that's when we talk about I mean the joint damage and things of that. Nature is knee replacements. I think it's the contact That that is not being administered as it used to be. What's your worst habit? My worst habit. No you know you got worse stat. Wife will tell you because I put my clothes inside out when I put him in the laundry. I don't I don't I don't turn the right way. You know like everybody else and just throw them all in there and hopefully come out okay. Yeah exactly TIKI. If you could trade places with anyone in the world at any time in history who would that be just for dame has to be like a real person? It could be whoever you'd like to give you a fictional person. Sure if I could trade places with anyone I'd WanNa be the doctor. I'm a doctor. Who Fan Dr? Where the world anywhere? Time or space. That's good who's the most famous by the way doctor. Strange or your doctor. Strange right. He's a doctor. He's in all of the darker straight. He's he is doc Dr Hoopoe. It's not the same doesn't they don't they? Don't make the connection but doctor strange's Dr Hill drank so we're flipping through your phone and you know a lot of people who's the most famous person and TV's phone right now That's a good question. Who's the most famous person? I mentioned some really good day. I'll say I'll say Alex Rodriguez only because of who is dated you soon to be marrying right. I'm going to go back to another Mount Rushmore Question. But this time for the giants who would be. Obviously he's GonNa. I'm not on the Mount Rushmore. The giants Lt Is there. Frank Gifford Wellington clearly Was a great owner. Probably Georgiana aim in In change like the feel of the team after That whole that fumble F- of Herm Edwards Fumble returned it. That's what Czanka right. I'd say those four. That's good Mount Rushmore. For the giants. Okay two more mine. Is Your Favorite Sports Movie Sports? Moving maybe the SANDLOT. It's a good one. The bad news bears what I remember watching the most allows a kid is related to some of those kids right just wanted to go be a part of something and just everybody was terrible. I so relate to that to dave last one. It he lost one. If you could give advice to a young Tiki Bar Barber for ten seconds. What would that advice wide by two young TIKI barber like a young Tiki barber like twelve or young Tiki Barber? Like eighteen will whenever you think he needs advice or give both might be an interesting a surprise you I would. I would tell Tiki Barber before he went to college. Pursue the technical career that you wanted not the NFL. Wow I often I often think about this like an audit athletes. You noticed gust because you see this with Europe. Some here former teammates they get lost and they think balls over and it's like man with doing now and I'm not lost by any stretch. I had a very full life. My wife is fantastic. My kids a grade. My careers is exactly where I wanted to be but I often think back to ninety seven when I graduated it was the dawn of the Internet like it was it was about to happen and I love I mean I can't I mean I loved it more football. I'm not joking and I often think what if I had chosen to actually go work for Oracle or Microsoft Right Not that I could have because obviously that point you're expected go the NFL. Would I have been like what would what would I be a billionaire now? What right what? What changed like country world changing technology? Could I have developed Just and I don't know like if I take that if I take him. The same work ethic made successful as an NFL player and applied it to that world. That computer design world. What would I? I knew you wouldn't you wouldn't have been squatting. Six hundred pounds now. What he thought about running around. I have athlete. Right slaps. Yeah you've just been using a lot more up here that's for sure. Yeah Yeah sometimes. I regret not using more earlier. I'm sure you use it a lot more than you think. Yeah Yeah I got you. I got you well. It was awesome. Thank you for spent so much time with us and sharing your story with our fans and and joining a dave in the whole we really appreciate your time. Tiki Bar Pledge Gusts. Think they are. 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2001 Week 10: Patriots vs Rams

Patriots Dynasty Podcast

1:23:51 hr | 7 months ago

2001 Week 10: Patriots vs Rams

"This is Christine Brown. And while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty. You have the choice. Not My sons and of course Michael sometimes say some naughty things trying to be funny but really just being stupid. You still want to listen. Go right ahead. I am not your rocking back. All he still with us and welcome for the first time if this is your first episode if it is that's kind of weird that you starting a week ten but we forgive you Like I said this is week. Ten of the two thousand one. Nfl season bestowed upon us by our Lord and Savior. Thomas Patrick Edward Brady junior that I get that right. I can never remember the order of the middle. I think so I feel you should be the third. It just sounds better. Yeah some third. Wasn't there a player. Who's WHO's the second. Yeah Garden. Chew the second and Philipp Diller set right. I thought he was the third. I think he's in third which makes sense but you don't often see the second but parents because It's not his father's aims his grandfather's name so he's technically not a junior but he is the second best on the block. Yes that's right learning from so if you all are more about Gartner Flint men shows at right mill named Flint. Angry Brown Bros sports dot com and read. Gregory's perusing about it but today we're going to be talking about what I'm going to pause it as the most important loss of the Patriots Dynasty show. That's a bold statement. A Damn Cohen. Shoot hot boys. Why do you say that now because this game we haven't introducing against where the greatest show on turf visited old? Foxboro stadium coming in red hot eight and one against the pats who just over five hundred at five and four. This was the game. I think that gave the Patriots. The confidence that they could compete at a high level. Even though they didn't win the game I think away from it that they were able to hang with the elite of the NFL. You Disagree Greg. Why is not you? Don't lose games and be like data good loss what set in the world the the after the post game locker room stuff by definitely not congratulating them for losing this game but like Greg. Do you remember the Kansas City? Where the team Basically lost their spirit. And then that lasts drive or rock out a touchdown and whatnot. Turn the whole season around because bowel check said that he saw fire on the team. That was a good loss. The were onto Cincinnati game. That's a good one two off bullshit. Okay I agree. But what's what's given to listeners. Okay well I'd say you know 'cause there's plenty of teams over the years that are lost terribly. Okay fine sucks. Jesus Christ forget about story. Every last sucks. Oh you are rare mood good good. I told you Sarah guys do. I had a mute button for Mike. I do okay just checking. You should use it for today I might. Let's talk about the rams then who I will still. I'm going to stick with my take The Ba- I think this was a positive in the long run in terms of the direction of the Patriots Dynasty. Put them on the right direction. What I take to your tickets. Nobody really cares what I like. The story of it. But Greg over every loss blows the no that can come from ever. What about People lose in life. Yeah they're losers was the Two Thousand Four. Oh actually here's a better one. The Patriots lose in. Oh six in the game to the colts and that opens a opens. The Eyes of the coaching staff that Brady Needs Help. And they go out and get welker. Moss and lightly gunfire was nothing at the same time. Well I wouldn't say none of us exactly everything sour start there see again. Scratch this from the podcast man. I'm just going to delete your entire audio from this guy back and drink maram do it. So yes big on the rams they will finish the season fourteen and two I in the NFC west. Obviously they're only only losses this season where to the seven and nine saints randomly week seven and then against the nine and seven bucks and week eleven which is directly after this game. So I think this also led to the Lost DIRECTLY AFTER THIS THIS GAME. Just how hard it was played in. How close it was. I'm sticking with you. I'll give you that that makes sense to me unless Greg I'm sure why does divisional games with division? Where they in? Nfc West because that was before the realignment. Because like I don't know why I always think they're in the same division as the talking so that. Nfc West back. Then was rams. Forty niners Saints Falcons Panthers and so the final standings rams obviously fourteen to like we said forty niners twelve and four. Then nobody else about five hundred saints. Seven Nine Falcon seventy nine panthers one in fifteen which we will see them later in the podcast. Yeah Yep so. This was like we touched on before. Part of the greatest show on turf era and the offense would score five hundred three points this year which was seventh most all time at the time which was more impressive because this was before the explosion of offensive production. You can see you know rookie. Quarterback's throw fifty touchdowns but back then that was unheard of so but as part of this greatest show on turf. The reason was called is because the year before this they put up five hundred and forty points which was third all time at the time and the year before that Ninety Ninety five hundred twenty six points which was fourth all time at the time. So they're putting up top ten all time scoring numbers every year for three years in a row and as part of that in this it was looted by one of the commentators that the rams had scored coming into this game thirty one touchdowns and they only punted twenty three times on the season coming into the game and so I went down a bit of a route whole today at lunch and forgot to eat lunch because of it but I decided that I would look up How many times teams have finished with more touchdowns than punts on a season and there was more there. Were thirty four of them. Believe it or not and I'm pretty sure you could probably name. Maybe half off the top of your head. But in terms of the punt differential punt touchdown differential if you will how many more touchdowns than punts there were Who would you guess would be the top of that list with the most Poncet at least amount? Now the the most More touchdowns in punts like the biggest positive difference Patriots. Seven yeah correct. That is correct. They had seventy five touchdowns which is second all-time to that was twenty team. Broncos was it Yeah Twenty Thirteen. Broncos had seventy six touchdown on the air the Oh seven. Pats seventy five but the difference in punting was that that. Broncos team punted sixty six times that year so they're only plus ten the Patriots and seven hundred forty five times so they were plus thirty on the season in terms of touchdowns to punt my thoughts on planters. I Love Them. I'm so I'm I'm just enjoying my. Oh Clark Rum and listening to this fabulous conversation about beautiful beautiful that free plug it can be. I mean we work it out about it does it goes you can SIP IT. You can chug it if you really want to. I would recommend that and you know you find it for like ten twelve bucks. Does that help? Ease the pain. It's making the show a lot better boy you said. Now we're not even halfway done. I don't in in ten years that were that. Number's going to skyrocket more teams in the NFL than not will have more touchdowns upon so yes. You're right because to that point Of the top four To those were this were the last. Two years came to last year with a plus twenty six and Baltimore this year. Plus twenty three. The analytic say you shouldn't buy Yup. Yeah because I think Way More infrequently than they do yeah actually both teams in this upcoming super bowl the chiefs and the forty niners are both on this this list. Now this will not be upcoming by the time you listen to this. Y'All so if we say anything stupider inaccurate while tweet at us if we have a twitter than we do sweet yeah I'm going you're going to Super Bowl Miami. Well that's almost cool. I mean I was Gonna say your Big Ball because the super bowl tickets are going for like nine grant. At the moment we got the AIRBNB like around the time of Antonio Brown being signed bull quite workout but no round trip flight for a hundred fifty bucks. Muslims phone weekend sounds pretty good loving the office. That's plan but they would be but they're not but that would that would have been a whole more expensive because You can't go down there and not go to the Super Bowl second mortgage. It's all. It's all good. Yeah exactly Andy was one of the teams. That you're mentioning the Peyton Manning's colts. Because I remember one year they that it was a running gag without punter. Just never did anything you remember. There are the culture on here a couple of times fourteen with a plus twelve in two thousand four and then we're else Twenty and twenty nine back seasons. Oh seven Oh six. They're both plus two. Oh also thirty second with a plus one. So they're on here. A Bunch Yeah. They they definitely scored more touchdowns and punts often. That's putting pumps. I'm glad you boys found that fascinating as I did. Those definitely worth a a lunch break. Cool well I can t any. You can what you can tell. You didn't eat lunch. Oh thanks I said I enjoyed it. Thank you very much for sharing man. You're very welcome. I I know how much you like Punters and punts debt. So just for you I loved it every minute of every second of it for all the people that are still listening about that. All F I you can tweet US. At pats dynasty Info on twitter sexy especially the Hanso part. Come get us. Yeah all right Ran The architect of this greatest show on Turf Mike Martz. He was pretty good. It was six seasons as head coach from two thousand two thousand five. He wasn't really the architect this. I guess now I'm saying that because this was already in place when he took over it wasn't it so that's great He was He kinda like drove his team at the ground a little bit so he was fired after week. Five in two thousand five so he didn't make it through the full season I can add to that Probably a reason why he petered out because I wrote down that. He got a comment that they haven't The Rams hadn't faced a team like the Patriots with as speedy receivers as they have and I love Troy Brown David Patten. By if if that's what you're putting out into the world it makes sense that you might be out of a job so yeah I mean that's that's a great point he yeah he wasn't But was that something that he said. I thought that was More on the defensive coordinator. Oh I thought it was him. I take back everything I just said. It was the defensive coordinator every got so that down. As a Lovey Smith quote. No no no I say Martz said they had. I was kind of half paying attention so I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure Greg. Well look that up please. It was the quote was patriots. Wide Receivers present the biggest challenge of the season according to Lovey Smith. And this is the quote that I had was that they hadn't faced a team with receivers like the Patriots. Yeah Yeah Yeah I think that was the continuation of the quote and how fast they were. Incenting okay maybe they set it. Maybe neither of them said it. Maybe we will lie to you by Joe Theismann. I mean yeah. You don't where they go find it. I'm looking Google. The following quote only notable coaches. I think there was Kensington. Peasy he was only really. He was the wide receiver coach. Only really notable in air quotes. Because he is the son of the former Patriots offensive coordinator earnings and peasy back in ninety eight ninety nine so I don't know how much of an effect you had on that although commentators all about this this wide receiving corps. The Rams happened Greg's time and if Andy's go on is looking weekly rant about the Commentators I like you know what I think. It's this is a rarity but I don't have a football or not football because I think I got everything that they were talking about. Yeah I was. It was Mike Patrick Palm Aguire and Joe Theismann and I'm Joe thighs in was the original. Tony Romo like is points. Point point things out before they happened little fine. Yep Yeah US having a good time with people. That's what that's what makes it. Good commentator is just having fun yeah also knowing the game to like I. It's not listening. Dan De la. Carte can't understand why they're throwing a flag like Joe. Theismann action knew the rules and could explain them to you in real time is happening. Is that a twenty minutes later. When he's been told by whatever research staffy has the Greg Brownsville. The world's main The only thing I had was that he sticks him right between the two and the eight and I kind of figured what that pretty quickly did you like the the comment about the the. The referee having those east. German surplus microphones. That working again. No I missed that. What's going on Did you not hear the referees? Because neither did anybody else. Because they're out that's right. Yeah bledsoe throws more catchable ball. How do you feel about that as a bledsoe stand? Well I mean they also said this so we can debate how good they actually were because one of the quotes was brady just ripped off and I say ripped off because he looked like he was actually running those like a ten yard. Run for a stamp and one of the announcer says. That's one element that Brady adds to the offense that you see you game first downs running the football statement allies. Is that a shot for getting injured instead of getting a first down and oh I should have added. That's some shade that is beyond me. In retrospect now that we know that. In retrospect pretty alerts hell. Yeah so who WanNa talk about the presentation? This is really the first Prime Time Game of of the Patriots Dynasty and it was the first appearance of the yellow. I outline yeah and you. You basically took my best of the game. Because I didn't even know that I wrote down. Is this the first time we've actually seen this? I wasn't sure but I guess it is with these patriots. Yeah because apparently it was owned by I think. Espn actually put it together. I have quote here somewhere. Yeah so this is. Here is oh. Cbs rally excuse me you immediately. It wasn't the usual third or fourth string. Afc telecasts on CBS when the ball was spotted after the play and the yellow first and ten line appeared for the first time this season on the telecasts of Patriots game. It's usually reserved for the key National Games because of the twenty five thousand dollar per game. Expense some foresight. Yes so there's been twenty-five Geez for lime but now everybody uses it now. How do you feel about because I love that yellow line because I'm a Lazy River But implicit creates a great conversations in bars in at friends homes but How does it compare with the remember? The hockey puck that you select glow and it was like Meyer. Why did that never stick because his like you know hockey fans are like macho like hockey off the casual fan ru hockey fans aid there? I don't think they're already had casual hockey fans as the problem. It's like casual across fans. That's not a thing. They were offended by the the glowing. Pocket them so but yeah I mean on that no touch. Let Watching Games now. I realized the things that I think when they first came out I used to hate but I don't anymore like when they actually put the down and distance like they displayed on the field with Arrow below the where they'll live and I kind of miss that because I can never quite find it in time on these telecasts because they only show like before the game goes away when the play happens on like this I look up to find out like what down that was already forgotten because I have. Add and I have no idea what down a distance it is. That doesn't happen to me. That sounds like a personal problem. Watch the Games though. Oh shots fired there. But let's go back to the issue here and I'm watching. I know it's you might get to the end of the game by the time they finish the podcast. We'll see three but that that is also something to talk about. Maybe for another time but you throw around. Add is this what you mean by that? Is it a flippant remark? Or are you talking about actual problems here because if that's the case then we're good but if not don't throw that shit around Andy? It's both I can say because I have it. Okay can joke about it because I am one all right now. Your tone makes me feel bad so because I abuse prescription drugs not prescribed. Oh all right Well this one. Yeah it's just my head. What do you think about if they were to like? Come up with technology to make that lime visible to the players so I will. I'll run with this question. I know here you go. Here's what you need to do. It can't just be because I think if it's going to be asking me like lasers and Shit right so that yeah so if you're going to be doing laser show on the field. You May as well just get rid of the the sticks and just like laser measure like yeah put a chip in the ball or some bullshit like that and then have both the The line of scrimmage be laser etched on the field or whatever and the or laser display products. Etching anything but then also the first down is exactly ten yards away to the millimeter and so when they put the ball down as long as as long as low. Cut You off the first down. You can't talk about this now because referees. No no no with commentators dude got under wraps and this is why I want you to patent this idea. I don't know how to do all that. Shit but you just do it when you go into shining and then you pitch this shit and then you license it okay. That's what would they tell me is. I've been recently our need a name for this company though It's gotta be something hip. Yeah could also be translated to like classrooms but with no vowels or like a Hashtag Laser L. C. R. L. Y. N. Do all done so. Don't don't Patten this really fucking idea. 'cause I mean we're we're we're talking about this probably six months in the past when people listening. But I'm pretty sure I wanNA patent it by by then what about like. Here's another idea. It's a little field but maybe maybe it works out of it. What if the you get tackled? The ball hits the ground and then the grass like self paints itself. So that like I got this line gets painted real time on the field from pass any like paint itself green again. You need a lot of need for this idea but like it seems more reasonable. What about let? Let's let's play off of that then If instead of the grass pending itself. Because I feel like that a lot of effort to ass on we just hire like homeless children with paint rollers to run out and just paint lines every time. The first down Thought Missile Homeless Housing tariffication. I don't know where this is going to hell. And have basket exists tennis. And they do that. Zoom in the area and then we got like old dudes carrying chains. Billion Dollar League probably tennis yards apart as long as kinks in the chain and in long as straight and as long as it's put down in the correct spot initially pretty basic system. We bring this up but did you think it adds to the intrigue. Old Timey charm just like wearing hats in their stirrups or whatever that shit is like they're they're baseball players have got lost right. All right I'll go ahead what. There is a certain skill to it like as far as can the player see some players do have that like internal. I know where the line is like Kevin Fox where the catch it not fall for exactly where they need to true they don't have that skill And as Andy pointed out. Let's do not have that skill that was that was Your quote but did I don't know what has been said so far but I will say this. They mentioned that Half of the blood in his body. My worst yeah got it all back in back in the day later scrape it off the grass and all the youth his blood. I I just I just were belichick saying you might be out for like one or two weeks. Yep He was out a little bit longer than that. That's okay man. Half the blood in his body. That's fantastic modern medicine. Yeah also actually Speaking of BLEDSOE's injury they had an article in the globe this this week before it talking. About what the injury actually was and the quotas. What he did have was a sheared blood vessel that lead to a condition known as Hema Thorax in which blood not air enters the lungs. Jesus fucking Christ in due time. The blood was removed via tube from the lungs and redirected back into his system. Honestly the things you can learn. That's insane Fisher. A little bit like like breathing. Blood as opposed to air some Superhero Shit. Yeah so I mean. I'm assuming it's only happening one of his lungs right. I was our maybe it was both well. I mean look it up with backcheck art fish syndrome. Fishes fit long so and on top of that. I know we talked about at the beginning about like when it happened. We're talking about whether or not he had a concussion. And there was another quote in this same article talking about that probably did said The BLEDSOE cases interesting because demonstrates the limited ability of even the most trained doctors to make accurate judgments in a hurry. Dr Sarah aarons was their doctor at the time was standing. Just a few feet away from where Bledsoe was hit. He examined Bledsoe immediately for any signs of inflation and decided there were none it continues but bledsoe did last just one more seed before. Belgium's pulled him when it was obvious he wasn't in full command of his faculties. I had communication with some of my teammates and based on that they went to bill and said maybe I should go out. Let's explain what concerned his teammates. Damon humor to mark. Edwards was that their quarterback and didn't really know what plays he was running a that that the doctor who literally was standing a few feet away from when he gotta hit couldn't diagnose correctly Bowron. Yeah I will say this. I will say this and I don't want to bring the move down but it has to be addressed because just released and people listening to this. We'll have a little bit more time to take it in But in talking about getting your Bell Rung which we've all seen concussions and whatever in our playing days previous listeners will know my playing days All three of them right But they were mean as Backslash slash linebacker. Don't get me started but with concussions becoming a bigger thing there was the Aaron Hernandez documentary which I think a lot of it is already common knowledge But we also see the Antonio Brown stuff kind of escalating pretty quickly us in the last few episodes and then also in one of the articles that you posted is talking about Leeann Gray. Who kind of you know. Yeah withered away and passed in his. Like which I think. He was in his forties And there were some suspicions about what led to that There's another player who passed homeless On the street by himself and that was looking at an article on Tokyo Brown steelers there was like You know a holiday centre Forget his name but he Pass sort of homeless and had problems and they were They were just the teams Kinda turned their back on them. So what do you think about all that? I mean and seeing something like that happened a bledsoe that could have probably you know or at least like you could have changed his life about like it did. I think I ran What do you think about because I think we've talked about concussions? A little bit In this season alone it kind of seemed like it was already popping up a little bit more frequent. Yeah I think you're right and I think I noticed even in this game I think they 'cause they flash up a list of all the injuries that had happened in this game to the rams alone and I believe Aeneas Williams was on that list as having suffered a concussion but then like a few plays later. Who's in there making the tackle Houston on the blitz putting his his helmet in Tom. Brady's chest out that's right. Yeah Yeah So. He's still out there leading with his head. Even after he had been diagnosed with a concussion they let him back in there to continue playing it like just looking back at it now from what we know is going on these days with the with the information that we have and like how much more research has been put into especially seeing and everything it does have a different tone to it then just like you know rub some dirt on it and get back out. There seems like that's what it used to be. I'll definitely was. I'm wondering I mean. Obviously they're taking steps to kind of prevent some of the stuff I maybe this year. They're talking about removing kickoffs altogether and whatnot. And you know I don't know if that's good or bad but the data just prevalent to this. I know it's like guys banging their heads against each other but why I hear like soccer players have so. Is it like inherently a sports thing or do you think is primarily like and obviously we don't know at the moment but yeah? I think I mean obviously I'm just making shit up now. I think that is probably prevalent in the majority of Sports. Because like they say you can get this like they're seeing. Cg In soccer players from heading the ball and shit like that which is a big part of soccer. But I think that you're I've I feel that sports like football and probably to a certain extent. Maybe like rugby and things like that. Those collision sports hockey those sorts of things. I think you'll see it worse. Cases of of C. T. in the future by. I think you'll see in in all sports but it will be more severe in the ones where there's like collisions. All the time. Like I've offense defense line. That's kind of what they do. Every play the bash heads with each other so I don't know how you fix it either because hitting is part of the game and it's not like it has to be these big hits each day quits. All the hits. That kind of pile up is what seems to be where the researches is going with this right. You're up to solve it but you you can do. Things like give the players. Lifetime health insurance rang. Yup true that moment make. You're not doing that right now. Especially with with the money that they're making hand over Fist Ford it deems. They'll give shit. They cut up so make. That require them to give them health insurance. We sacrificing their bodyg- all that money like that's an easy solution that doesn't take any doctors or research. Earning raise true and continues the sport too because I think it shows the players yet but I I I mean I think there's I don't know how true it is or what the numbers are but there's been stories out there. How Youth football and participation is declining rapidly. So does it get to a point where you just don't have the same pool of players who choose from. Yeah I mean. I think there is something to that I mean. Obviously it's always gonNA offer an opportunity for anybody who doesn't have any other way to wake make an income or make a big splash like that and kind of provide opportunities but yeah. I think it does affect. I mean. That's a good idea. I've always been in the camp of light. We probably know this info years past. But you know that banging your head against somebody else's not the greatest thing inherently but it's their choice but Like Greg set. Maybe that would fix something. Obviously these people are putting their body through the wringer in their minds by you know. I think a lot of do that for their families. And it's a conscious decision but at least make it a little bit more humane while we're trying to clean it up a little bit We'll see how it goes. I don't know for anybody WHO's listening. We didn't solve shit that conversation and I don't want to hear it so you can tweet at Mike. No twitter thank. You know twitter social media all right. So yeah I was GONNA try. Drew bledsoe quote out of my thing but the only comment I have Andrea blood cells that he put out half the blood in his body. All right. Well that's not true So we'll get to it in a little bit but What did you? What were your kind of initial thoughts on this game? Because Mike I know you are a bit more down on it. I was talking to you before we started this right. I mean it was interesting because I thought that the first half you know overall speaking we can get into it but the first half. Kinda seem light a little bit more competitive defense. Was you know holding their own And then sort of in the second half Which I still understand why they would be encouraged after this loss allegedly but it kind of seemed like it became Marshall Faulk show and it was just running down their throats every single play at the time. Yeah so let's just touch on a little bit so first quarter Pages ON THEIR FIRST DRIVE. Brady throws a new section deep zone territory. Basically Hits Falk in the hands come falk in the hands with a heater and bounces off and he gets picked off the rams start. Unlike inside the twenty and score a touchdown three plays later and I will say it started off pretty well because the game open with two batted balls that Kurt Warner through. And then all of a sudden the third plays a thirty five yard pass Isaac Bruce and it was really well covered by Taiwa So even though it's a good start for the because they stopped them on that drive i. Sledding though again yeah but I think that the pets difference definitely gave Warner trouble. I think this this game especially was one that the Patriots brought pressure more than I can ever remember which against a team with this firepower. Seems Really Ballsy to me but they were. It seemed like they were bringing at least five or six guys. Every defensive play from all is to talk. We haven't gone over the the roster usually have but gesture looking at Torry Holt Isaac Bruce Ricky parole trunk candidate which was like Super Fast Marshall. Faulk and that's by offense but defense agree blind Williams London Fletcher Leonard. Little like this team was stack. Yeah they had some some big fucking names And Like all those people you just mentioned wins the proble. Kurt Warner auditory. Hold Isaac Bruce Marshall Faulk they're all pro bowlers Falcon. Kurt Warner were first team. All Pros And Marshall Faulk was basically a video game at this point what was this the year he was on the cover madden was around this time maybe like ninety nine to probably the curse usually gets you so so yes this probably on two thousand. Be My guess Greg Statue but this was talking about pumps versus. Td's this is another rabbit hole. I went down Marshall Faulk in this season outscored the kicker one hundred twenty eight points at one twenty seven which is hard to do. Because the kicker get you know appoint every time you grow touchdown plus all the field goals all that jazz so the out of the top twenty scores of all time in the league. Fifteen of those are kickers lot. Which doesn't seem right and I would tell you who they were if this page will load but it doesn't maddened heifers. Yeah but yeah. So the only top twenty. The only players who aren't kickers are actually running back surprisingly so Ladainian Thomason in terms of points in a single season points scored Ladainian Tomlinson. First Place in two thousand and six thousand had thirty one rushing touchdowns wasn't rushing touchdown author all Russian. Yeah but So he's got one hundred eighty six points such as he's second two thousand five with one hundred sixty eight points. So he's a distant second. He's got twenty eight touchdowns and that it's kickers David Akers Gary Anderson. Jeff Wilkins priests homes in six place. He's scored twenty seven touchdowns Mark Moseley. Who actually know what the fuck is? He doesn't have a position marked here. He is also kicker. What's what's that one out and just like pretend that research them. Pretend we knew what we were talking about the eighty three Washington redskins. So there. You go was that Moseley. Yeah Mark. Obviously yeah you know him. He was Sixty to sixty three on field goals on extra points. Arc Mosaic sorry but then In eighth place was this year's Marshall Faulk with one hundred sixty points which is out of control. Lee's pretty good. Yeah he like you said I mean this is why he the second half looked like the Marshall Faulk show because the whole season was the Marshall. Faulk show yeah. I also like may the note and I don't know if there's any correlation but the way that Marshall Faulk was used in this game it's sort of very much beat up the Patriots. This was before the Patriots Incorporated back So pretty much just like run up the middle run up the middle kind of people down. Do you think that playing a guy like Marshall? Faulk sort of changed his philosophy because I feel like as the years continued the Patriots now is sort of known for those like flex backs That million things Verena all the way to James so you think had yep exactly so do you think that like a second about it am. I did this game. Maybe introduce that into his mind or at least like facing them a couple of times. Maybe it was a little bit. I think they already had Kevin Falk on the team now but he was like. I think yeah. I think this was a and I think this happened with not just the Patriots. Where because you know it's a copycat league in now. I think people started to make their wide receivers be more of a receiving threat but having said that I mean the Patriots from week one have been splitting their fullback out wide five wide receiver sets. Yes it's true. I mean right. I mean I feel like that's more gimmick than anything but it is the start of something I mean so is Who's the originator of that? Does it go back to? I don't know why be West. Coast offense where it was instilled in like who started that like SCAP acting. That's a great question. I don't know all right again. We're GONNA pause at our information straight. Come absolutely we'll just we'll have Our our listeners. Tell us on twitter. 'cause nobody loves to tell you when you're wrong like twitter does so okay if you know the answer tweet APP. Mike Mellow twitter men. That's how I I that's how I escaped this bullshit. No social media so well. Here's what we're going to do so you can. You can tweet at our pets dynasty Info but but make sure it's it's made out to Mike Mellow. Yeah well we'll read it to you so don't worry about it it's cool. I won't listen. I'm barely paying attention now. So Live Actions Library Act and maybe eventually we will be live. And maybe I'll I'll give a damn. Maybe if somebody calls it eventually we get that whole thing set up. Maybe that's human contact technology. All right. We'll do that just for you. So then Cleveland come live shows if we get Johnson on which you would you. Would you listen to him? You know I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I I was a big big fan way back. I mean. His career started before I was born. I was still a fan I was in the womb kind of forty for the so. I bet you I would be. I would be into having my conversation going trying mustard sauce. That was him right. I think so I can remember that can. Walter is one of the punters even a pages punter at remember sausage to you all right so yeah so. I think you're right about the this. Being a game of two halves. The Patriots hung in the first half because they had two interceptions in the first quarter. Off Of Warner a pick six by Terrell Buckley which. I don't know why I didn't remember that. Play happening. But it was a legit legit play. It was definitely the highlight of the game. I thought seven seven at that point because they lost. I'm having an effect. I have way more distinct memories of wins. Oh yes it's so tragic. If you put it out of your mind you move on recent and I probably didn't watch any highlights. Their team loses you. Just ignore it. Yeah you don't you don't watch. The pats fifth quarter or anything like that. You just kind of turn. Tv off walkway. I've noticed that a few. Yeah Yeah me too. Although I going back to the shit on any episode from a few weeks ago I think this is one of the first games that I think I was still at home for either. I come home for Christmas break or I had stayed home for Christmas so so I do remember watching this game. I will say that the the pick six is that you're talking about. I mean Warner through one to throw both like you said and then the next five one or through a picks to tedy Bruschi at like the rams forty see I think that would be a defining moment but it was not yet. I think just because it's early it's like watching the Falcons Pat Super Bowl like the the rams were driving up and down the field. The entire time almost like the colts game earlier and this will both colts games earlier in the season where manning and the colts could drive all up and down the field. But then they'd stall and missed field goals or gopher foot down and not get it sort of thing and I think that was happening in the first half Because yeah the the rams through two picks in the first quarter punted once in the first on their opening drive missed field goal in the second quarter but then pat they missed field goal past drive down inside the five going to to take a seventeen seven lead instead. Antoine Smith fumbled. The ball ran the ball in their own was at three are lines that two three yard line with two minutes left in the half and drive ninety seven yards for touchdown. Averaging like yeah. That was incredible. That like I mean. That's one everything obviously employer Antwan Smith. Time it sucks by that. Two minute drill was flawless. It was nasty. It didn't even look like they were trying. They were huddling up between plays and shit and taking time out at random times but they still. It didn't matter. It just felt like the Patriots had done so well up until this point with how much pressure they were getting on Warner and as soon two minute warning hit. They backed off and wanted is carved into pieces well. I think that the the announcers could sense that because I wrote a couple of things like around this time that they were kind of bringing up and one is. They went into this whole story about Antoine Smith. And how Nice Guy is. It is pretty crazy. Story apparently turned down a scholarship to Auburn. Put Off College for three years to take care of his parents. His grandfather at chancers frame of there was going up dialysis and he worked at a factory for three years. Doing this put everything off and then got a scholarship to Houston and continued on its path about. That's pretty crazy. Yeah Yeah it's kind of similar to the Troy Brown has kind of a similar story and also David Pat News. Actually mentioned this game. They mentioned a few games checking around bags of coffee. Beans sachse coffee beans. I want I choose to remember. Antone Smith in this game for his loving heart and not the fumble and then I thought this was pretty hilarious but there is a there they were talking about. How Brady was the first Patriot quarterback to have over sixty five percent completion passing in four straight games? So in the hit. The Patriots never out of quarterback over sixty five percent in four straight games that ballooning including drew bledsoe. Who was the savior of the franchise right? That's fair that like to those games. He was like seventy something percent and the other two. He wasn't right right so that it's funny. I mean the Guy Played. What six or seven games at this point? He's already in some kind of records. I also thought around this time it was funny bledsoe but hey he did it to himself. The Ninety so from ninety three to two thousand seven games and he The Patriots one in six without him. He asks you thousand one with Brady. At this point they were five and two. That's pretty amazing. It is. Can you name the one win and the the one in six? You named the quarterback I wanNA say Zolak believe it was and it was like he was like pointing to the gods and I think having it up forty niners maybe. Was this bledsoe finger. Zolak that around that time. What the Finger. Yes like a broken finger or something like that. Oh bledsoe played through broken finger. Okay I don't remember but I do remember this. Game was like freaking out and lacks a bit of a nutcase. Did that one game set up for like the rest of his career as anyway. I think we'll just being a backup to drew bledsoe. I think we'll be sick. You did have won the game. He's got that win an NFL wind under his belt. Which is more than any of us can say so. I'll give it to him scare the second half. I thought third quarter was actually okay patriots still in it And ended seventeen ten rams and it was fourteen ten at the half saw. The RAMS got a field goal. There was out of eight drives. No one really went anywhere. It was kind of sloppy. That Warner had the fumbled snap near midfields. He just dropped the snap and the Patriots recovered the very next play. Tom Brady under pressure off his back. Foot chuxing interception to the Middle Linebacker. Whoever the hell that was again I'm surprised that bill bill but again yes. It is yeah. Well yeah. Well we'll get to that in a second because I have some thoughts on that So yeah so but going into the fourth quarter. The Rams have the ball driving into the third and the fourth and They basically just walk down the field. And score that Touchdown Warner they wanted was getting no pressure on him at this point. I think the defense is a big gassed building. Feel so long. And he threw a touchdown to his fullback which was the fullbacks. First tiny right out his name. Because I didn't care at this point so that makes it twenty four ten rams and at this point you thinking it's over but Brady immediately responds with. I think they all six plays where passing plays like just spread it out wide five wide and just chopping the ball over the yard and Brady drives him down with Touchdown to patent in the back of the endzone which Kinda had a feel of that same touchdown a patented who throw in the Super Bowl Kind of that back of the end zone. Fehb at the other corner this time But then like now. The next ranch drive was the last drive of the game because I think they they got the ball back with six minutes left. And we've been getting into that though. I feel like the announcer such on this and it was to be fair. The first time that the patriots sort of opened up the playbook a little bit and allowed Brady to throw more than like a five yard test So in in getting his first opportunity to sort of do that even after like you know his interceptions. Whatever I'm pretty impressive. Drive very quick and it was. It felt very brady asked what you know of him. Now where some of the earlier mistakes like the interceptions thrown feel like the guy that we know and love at this point they put up the stat where it was like you know to prove that point where they had no big plays because they were drinking dunking you know maybe it was Plays of over ten yards is unlike that the rams had twenty two. I think in the Patriots had four yup halfway through the before this fourth quarter drive by Brady any. I think almost all the plate. Will THAT DRIVE? All six of them. Were over ten yards for the most part. Yeah so it was interesting. Yeah well you said renting the ball back and the pages defense just can't get off the field on third down. Iran's converted like three or four maybe on the drive and just kept the ball for the last six minutes of the game six seven and a half almost emitted been even longer than that. Yeah I have the the log here. Let's see when they got the ball back with seven and a half minutes left seven thirty seven and it was brutal? Yeah let's Marshall. Faulk seven yard run Marshall Faulk four yard run trunk candidate one yard run Kurt Warner to Marshall Faulk for two yards. Kurt Marshall Faulk for eighteen yards. Marshall faulk run for eight yards. Mayes one yards nine yards. Kurt Warner runs for game. Fumbles it but recovered by candidate. Andy listeners to sleep hauls twelve was about two and a half watching. This game couldn't get off the field and I think the backbreaker was third and four to twenty two left Like you still have the two minute warning to stop you. Stop the clock. You can get the ball back third and four Marshall. Faulk up the middle for six yards game over twenty four seventeen so yeah say it was still touchdown lead but I mean all the Rams doppler field goal range cooker kicked a field goal. True true took three knees and that was the game is definitely a different defensive approach than the Super Bowl. Yeah and I think that's that's kind of goes back to my point that I started with the what the Patriots learn from this game as well being able to one kind of judge what they're getting themselves into to know that they can kind of keep pace with this team and and give Kurt Warner problems because all the stats. They were showing with that This offense production was way under what it it it usually is. All the averages were were way. Lower playing this page defense pages even see that they can hang in there and it's just up to the Brady and the offense stop making these mistakes up fumbling it with inside the five so you felt like you were kind of right there on the doorstep but you also were able to figure out what else you you needed to do to to stop things like Marshall Faulk off. I don't know I think I kind of feel differently. I think it shows that I think the rams made a lot of mistakes made turnovers in this game could have been a blowout on there like will try some a different if we're GONNA end that's at home on the grass which slowing down yet. A Minute Orleans they said are let we slow down these The thing by hitting them getting up in the receivers face online like like actually slow down. I think I mean I'm sure we'll get to it when we get to the rule but I feel like I remember three games a glorious. I'm like that where they talk about the first game. They're defensive. Game Plan was to get pressure on Kurt Warner and and throw off his timing that way and then when they realized that wasn't GonNa work because they couldn't get to him the second half of this game and he started carbon obits. It was to disrupt the timing by hitting the receivers instead and Chipping Marshall. Faulk wherever he went and making sure. There's somebody there to take away outlet to legislate. Yeah this is the first. This is the first half of that. But you're right because they did show a stat where this Greatest show on TURF TURF is actually a big part of that because the offense as a whole is actually a TD worse a touchdown wars in production Because they averaged this. I mean the average thirty five points per game on turf like since ninety nine. And they're only averaging twenty eight points per game on grass which impact on our. That'd be nasty. Diesel Awesome God. That'd be unfair. I think by me wasn't fair. This quarter seventy five touchdowns I will say. I thought this isn't good. Bill is They're talking about that. You know leading up to this game and I'm sure after that Bill Scout team face you know when when they're facing each other the receivers were lining up at Three yards ahead of the ball just to give to spot and that sort of speed that they don't have on a pass to replicate that but that was funny that he's thinking that far ahead where he's reading these like weird remedies with the scout team. Yeah that was pretty cool. Yeah I that's just one of those stories. You always hear it makes you realize that bell check is just like further ahead than his coaching counterparts. I think because he does he tries make his feeling tries to make his starters practice at a disadvantage so that when they actually get to the game they're either prepared for it or it comes easier to them because they've implied such disadvantage all week. Make Sense Principle. Surprised that more coaches are like. It occurred on things I mean. Made the don't here about it it just because this is you know checks being here for so long and so all these stories finally come out after guys retired. Sort of thing. You know affability successes like cultured driven riot. Mvsa genius like after being a good coach is getting player by took this on basically setting yourself up future success. No you absolutely I mess still think there is a genius in there. I mean he's got his but I think a lot of genius may not make 'cause they have won two years. Yes yeah I I think it's a difference of being a really good like offense or defensive coordinator and being a really good head coach because head coach. You have to build that that whole system of a team as well instead of just focusing on one or the other. Yeah probably a good owner. That like is he already make decision. Kind of hit on radio late a draft bread and other be jam at my or Russell Wilson something. Yeah and that those things one. There's something to be said for him being genius because along with the culture You know he cheats and there does it. Does it. In a way that actually brilliant because he'll cheap for many years until it doesn't work anymore and then he'll get caught and you think oh my God these guys again but then if you look at it. The next year by a motivates the crap out of the team because it's not against the world so the guy uses cheating and then gets caught and uses it again. That's fucking once he's done with these like yeah. We can get caught doing this right. It's great. It helped him beat the bengals year. Send a film crew. The bengals game dude. He was meeting Alex. Cora I I don't know if it's as big a deal in the future when you guys listen to this you you'll you can chime in. We'll just leave it at that man. That's that's a hot take. I like it baby. Nice bullets have Anything else you want to touch on anybody else you WanNa talk about well. I mean we never really talked about Kurt Warner at all. No I mean. He's a pretty pretty amazing story. It's genuine share that story because I do think it's pretty pretty bad asked. Yeah I mean. He was bagging groceries. Or five fifteen hour and then like six years later he's like running the best offense in the NFL. I gotta say though even in. Nfl uniform he still has that like grocery bagger looked to him. Yeah he did like. I don't want to offend me. Grocery bags out there. So can you elaborate on that please? I don't like his stance or posture. Or just the way he moves but he doesn't look like a world class athlete to me. Maybe the fact that he has no Chin and he tries aware that like tiny little chinstrap that Brett farve used to wear. You know what I'm talking about. It's like it's just like a piece of a flap of leather underneath. I duNno be sure. He does not look like an athletic dude. Just recall there. Isn't Jack Lummus Vacher like athletes? Like Sam Bradford Cool True Y- cool cool and but also like yeah. He is is bagging groceries. Is You know arena football years. Nfl Europe when that was the thing and all that stuff but triggering doesn't go down with an injury. Same thing there's no Kurt Warner. So that's crazy and I was like okay. There's no there's no patriots superbowl theory so we thought the nine eleven back started the dynasty but it might have been trained green. It might have been mouth fucking about talking to you guys. We're always learning wasn't Rodney Harrison. That hurt Trent Green was it. Oh I don't know we gotta look that one up all right now. This is great radio It was in nineteen ninety nine. According to rule here we go nights nine. Nine Green was slated to be the starter for the rams but suffered a gruesome season ending knee injury in a preseason game on a hit by Rodney Harrison of the chargers wife says dirtiest player in the League attacking. Well what about Bernard Not fucking Hell? Yes this is whipped. So Rodney Harrison started the Patriots Dynasty. Wow tweet out to him. Because that's unbelievable. I'm La you do it. Because I'm scared of shitter on Harrison. Dare I say God bless you what you like to say what. What COMMERCIAL MISSED IT? Well you Lazy River. You wanted it drilling Mike to win now. You'RE GONNA have to post that for us to show. That sounds amazing. Imagine if Ronnie knocked the ball out of you know you know. A wedge between the hand and a helmet would be the greatest. Yeah that's for another day brought on the Rod pod. Excuse you what is in this commercial. Jesus are you gonNA have? Oh you're right. Yeah Yeah I know what you're talking about. I build zone little man cave and he calls it the hot. Oh you're right so they're both players man. Well that would make sense. That Kurt Warner would be hanging out with them. Mike Football not football broad pod Rod pod. I actually easier for me because I I did see the commercial and what he's talking about is like you know with the money that he has. He created this environment where it's kind of like a man kings. So it's the Rod hot rod in this situation. The ride is It's Rodney it's running his nickname. Oh okay all right. That occur joke about a hall of fame jacket or something and eat chips or something. I don't know man it's definitely it's definitely footballer and not. It's whatever will terry was. That wire does the think he does the Monday night. Radio call or does sell lifer like Westwood one or something right. Yeah I've heard. I've come across a randomly every once in a while. He better than the guys running. Espn broadcast and he seems to be a patriots. Fan Marshall Faulk and those guys that were part of that team so I can respect them. That's true too often. Yes but this is a great segue for this speaking of Douche bags on the rams. How about Leonard? Little pretty good right. Did either of you go down the rabbit hole? I did doing so. Little is great bag on even kind of let's say a less successful tyreek. Hill but worse off of domestic violence with pregnant girlfriends and beating kids and threatening worse. Oh Wow so Shame on you. Kansas City by the way shame on him. Yeah so when he was A rookie his rookie season letter little. He went out. I forgave everybody out some thing and he was drinking and was driving home. Drunk and Collided with another car of a mother who was going to pick up her son from a a concert and killed her. Oh yeah drunk driving And the quote that I found of him talking about it at the time said It was the family's deepest wish that little twenty twenty four year old rookie be taken away to prison for a substantial period of time. It didn't seem an outrageous. Wish this was a man who according to the police report with so indifferent at the time of the accident that he said of Susan Gut Wyler. The lady that he killed. The expletive ran a yellow light. And hit me wrecking my forty five thousand dollar expletive car. Yellow light is all right. That's pretty deuce bagging looking So he do we. Should we have like an episode? Where we're just like outing every fucking Douche bag so that like it's off the record that they are giant pieces of sheds and we don't support them whatsoever is that's how long we'll do that during the bye week. I've been looking for a bye week topic so there it is so here you go so for that. How much time do you think he served base? Little pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter and was sentenced to ninety days in the city. Workhouse four years probation and a thousand hours of community service kind of like sound a little bit like Dante stalwarts issue. I mean obviously. I don't think douchebag but I mean yeah I mean similar truck. Driving drunk driving is sadly A common occurrence in America for a variety of reasons. But I think just the fact that you're not tried about it. I think is is not great but the other part of this is that this is not his only drunk driving offense backtrack you save forty? Five thousand dollars are yeah. Yes fencing. No it was some massive. Suv is all. It was like a Lincoln summer there. so yeah and he has Blood alcohol content was point. One nine well over the point. Oh eight in the state of Missouri. So yeah he was suspended for eight games in that nineteen ninety nine season and then other things that he He had on his record on January. Eighteenth two thousand. Three according wikipedia was charged with communicating threats and making harassing calls to his former girlfriend's after The girlfriend ended their relationship and on April twenty. Four two thousand four. He was arrested again for surprise. Surprise driving while intoxicated after being stopped by the police driving. Seventy eight hundred fifty five at the time. He had red eyes smelled of alcohol and failed three roadside sobriety tests. He later admitted that he drank alcohol. To the police but He was convicted of a misdemeanor speeding but acquitted of Dui basically because the police screw something up in those loophole but he was prohibited from drinking any sort of alcoholic beverage for his probation. How long has this probation Two years no chance no absolutely not sell it. So we've the week go through four forty five thousand dollar car wherever whatever that means he can get a driver. I mean Kala Cab. Over so the The article that I found was interviewing the the debt bomb son. And that's basically what he said he's like. Why the fuck aren't you just renting a limo? Every time you go out can you at that were you and you know what? I'm realizing realizing that. In talking about football there's a lot of dark moments on this on chess but art them properly and and speak on it but we're not authorities on this. You don't know Shit. I think I can spot a piece of shit when I see him but you never know. Yep so on. I Dunno if a lighter note right term but on a KARMIC note In the aforementioned list of rams players got injured on there was Leonard Litter Leonard More Time Leonard. Little who had sprained his. Mci In this game. So Patriots are Karma for that ship driving with a sprain. Mc L. Bitch. You all right when I see right. I was just on your passion Greg so I mean we can take it again. You start it just anything. Make you feel little walk. He's a fucking piece of shit. Sure have oh. I felt pretty good about that. Yeah you sound like you feel pretty. Good all right I think it's about time wrap this up. Does any of YOU WANNA do your best and worse suppress I will say my worst and usually I love this but it was a little silly in this game Tedy. Bruschi was just throwing his body around for the hell of it. Even it wasn't near the football so there's like one play where Marshall Faulk is you cutting back into run or whatever and Bruschi is just seeing watching him offscreen flash of way off to the corner. Yeah legos Tedy Bruschi. Some of those that great. I'm in the best for me. It was seeing the silver painted head. Fan Guy Oh yes and somebody had written on the top of his head like coming up next Monday night countdown. And something like that. I didn't see that came back from a commercial and it was like just showing the top of his head and said sketchy look on his face. Yeah yeah another guy's name but props to you unless he's a piece shit and then I take that back pictures mugshot. What ways that actually him. The head. Where Mugshot man see? I knew it. I can't pull for anybody anymore. Yes he's got a patriots helmet like tattooed on his head to his both at the same guy though. I don't know well we're talking about the guy that painted Holyhead silver. They let it wasn't a kind of similar. Might be lucky. I'll make the statement. I don't know him. I don't agree with anything that he's ever done is life. I've seen before in games and it was. It was nice to see him again. Yeah it was a blast from the past all right. That's Great Greg. So you say you don't have a best somewhere if you're not gonNA pull out of your ass. Now that you guys mentioned fans there was one like I don't want a bloody shame I'll be guy in his head was just day. One of those little like old school not like white. Leather Helmet was the no Yup L. scores space into the stand. That it just can't soak giggle so look like Bennis Burger or know who was it. That Not not the duck dude with the the other quarterback they started this year knocked. Yeah where he got the concussion and they had to take his face mask off and he had that that had like you had to pour into the helmet in the first place. I just looked. I don't stand by anything that's being said right now. That's fun. Nobody cares little bit. I'm going to cut that out that you said that anyway. So don't worry about it. Look Down Greg. I say if it was like the situations route off but it was big Ben and face like spilling out of the helmet. Oh all right My best for this game was the Live interactive polls on the challenges. Did you see this? There's a coach's challenge you know. They show the referee like watching the game. They do the like the shots of both head coaches and stuff but then when they came back from the challenge they I guess you could like texting or something. It doesn't actually say but it was the viewer's votes of let the play. Stand or overturn it and it would show you. The percentage like how people voted so for. I think this was the screen shot that I have is of the the Antwan Smith Fumble and out of thirty nine thousand six votes fifty seven percents that overturn. It and forty three percent said let the play stand and why the fuck that isn't still thing is amazing to me. Definitely still right. 'cause oh you could get so much like sports talk fodder out of that especially if they get something agreed. Justly wrong like Last year's NFC championship game where it should have been passed that SORTA. I let them make the call. Jackie that voting should be what results in the actual plan. I mean remember the show playmakers how it was out for a season in the NFL squash that and then there was a NFL blitz video game or like you know you can do all kinds of messed up shit that and now we even in Matt and like they. They're pretty tight on things of maybe for that reason. Actually you know what I'm GonNa Make Your Referees. Look Bet you might be right point all right so that was my best And my worst was Our our old friend Shank Dan Shaughnessy the after the game as real immediate. Just firing that. Qb controversy machine. I'm GONNA leave you with this quote from Dan Shaughnessy. Well then I'm Gonna I'M GONNA piggyback on this quotas. Well leave the Cadillac in the garage. The Toyota takes you around town and it gets better gas. Mileage talking about Brady immerses leaving drew bledsoe on the sidelines in a close game against not who who is he who in that drew bledsoe is the Cadillac Shakes Center fucking year again. So maybe we'll tweet this Adam to place we'll stand by this you fucking moron well to piggyback on that. I thought I was kind of let down by this but you not like Brady even throughout most of this opportunity. He's been very confident. Everything he says is like basically. I'm the Best I learned from this at whatever so Bledsoe He had a quote. Where you just talking about you know what happens with playing time or whatever and he says. I tend to make it very hard for Brady to stay on the field. Because he's playing better than I am. He'll keep playing. I was like all right. I'm not GONNA go crazy. Shit is that like I love that. That's exactly what prevents me that you have the time. Don't play. Pc PC. He'll keep playing. I thought it's don't say that you'd say I'm GonNa get the job. I'm out now a greg. What I'm with Andy? It's he's being realistic. Yeah all right. So like not shitting. Tom Brady to see. Here's the thing. All right. My uncle told me this this once and I don't know if it's true but it doesn't matter it's still my point. Does this soccer player one time? He kicked a goal from midfield. Right and then he did it again. He did to the he shot. Goals from midfield won the game master. The game they said. Hey man like how did that happen and then he said you know it was lock. It can happen to anybody. Ain't know who that guy was. You know one knows because no one fucking remembers them so you've got to have it up baby. Pr That's typical Portuguese. Like the story. Don't bring into it. Okay true what is that Greg Greg Sad again? It's very Portuguese. I'm right your raw alright. Whatever man I'm American baby so I'm happy to see next week guys. It's always a pleasure even when it's not a love it thanks for. Thanks for walking us out what we look forward to next week. Mike tell me about it. They're the Patriots are playing this team and that team is the guns are out and they're just firing on also so. If that's the teaser for you. I don't know what his marching in. If that helps shirt saints are coming marching into Foxborough stadium right right right the only team so far this year to beaten the rams that we just lost two so we'll have that look forward to next week on the episode of the Patriots. Podcast Greg what. This is the last time that the Patriots have lost to the rams alley that was worth stopping it and now for the fourth attempt at exiting this podcast. Great Hearing Guys Love Ya take it easy bye.

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2002 Week 9: Patriots at Bills

Patriots Dynasty Podcast

1:29:25 hr | 2 months ago

2002 Week 9: Patriots at Bills

"This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my mother Judy, you have the choice not to my son's sometimes say some naughty things were the trying to be funny but really just being stupid you still want to listen go right ahead I am not your. Back, everybody. Especially, the two brothers Nice to see you guys again. Andy we've been here this entire time. You don't you don't go away after we finish now. I. Feel like we've been on every episode for a while there is a bit there but we miss the. Bunch. Yeah. Early on basically pre Cova. You boys had lives and podcast wasn't. Older brother was not as important as it is. Greg that will it will revert back to that once. You know I have better cooler friends to hang out with you guys. If It reverts. If it does just stuck with you to trump's. Honestly take my own life. Good to see you to. This is. Two thousand two, week nine. In Orchard Park. New. York. It's not technically buffalo. Is it? Else. Fuck of Buffalo are the Bill Stadium in Buffalo bore it is in the suburbs like. You just driving past houses. House is slow a city. I. Think so. I think. It's buffalo a city. According to W. Dot Com. Buffalo. City in western New York in the seat of very county located on the eastern shores of Lake. Where fucking? Idea I hate excel much. Of China like I took like two years off from Syria when they invented it and I was like. Technologies, not there yet I'll come back and I think it will be and I came back and it still blows I'm not a big talker to technology greg. How you feel when you ask series something. Similar feeling we get when we say, Hey, stat check. Shall we start Greg Siri. Well we work on him the from what? We come grocery. The differences when you insult me like you just did, you can see my reaction and get some satisfaction knowing that you hurt me on the inside right right theory is just like please don't say that. Our want to be offended. Exactly. I've been on alert. She's a Goddamn. Batch. Speaking of batches. This is the game that I don't even remember what? Channel was that broadcasting this, but they deem this the blood Zobel. because. Your blood. SO ANY REVENGE GAME Against a team, the trade him in the division. After giving him a ten year, hundred, million dollar contract is so bold. And he was doing well so far this season they were let them one offense, right? they were up there I know plus himself was second NFL in passing yards per game and touchdown passes coming into this. I feel like the commentators said they were the number one offense. I mean. Eric Moulds. Travis Henry over unders forty seven and a half. So yeah pretty high. There were a Lot of points to I don't think they're defensive play very well because they're rising games like. Forty two, forty, three and overtime I. Think the first few games on to overtime. They came into this game at five and three on a three game win streak. There were one game behind. The. AFC East. Leading Miami Dolphins I think we're five and two. They beat the Texans Dolphins in lions coming in so I have a confession to make A. Well like I. Kept myself intentionally in the dark on the slide was going to end. You know they were talking about the new. This was the longest losing streak of the Patriots Dynasty. and. No. I was Gonna end but then I saw bills and I was like, wow. Tom Brady's twenty, two, three against the bills and I know exact-. I can like list off all three losses. So He's definitely going to win this game. Yeah. So I can I came into it kind of a similar feeling except I knew at the score was a because I have to just put the show together throw it out there. Would you want to do the honors? Remember. SHITLOAD NOTHING Thirty, eight, seven final. Shocking. I think thirty eight was actually probably higher than. Out of Bills Fan stadium. For the. Pats fans there though Yup good amount which the both announcers seemed surprised by. Not taking into account that Buffalo's drivable from New England but they did but they. Throughout a bunch of creditors, bills, Mafia. I mean you have to consider it is drivable book. Why would anybody want to go there because they're cheaper tickets than Fox? Where this point though sauce lost four in a row, you know like This is like the Patriots tickets we know and eight it's the city of Buffalo like you go there you go to the game then you go home, you're not going to the nightlife and also catching a game yep. Well. That's why you dear you would go but casino in what's it I gue- false. Yeah. I I in the filth though know. I don't think. jetsetter. Love like grimy dirty time where I live, I believe the phrase is picking Shit. Yes. Yeah. Happy. Isn't they can. Should I believe in the entire phrase which Maria, perfectly Yes. So the Patriots, the Patriots punted once this game. I don't know I. I. enjoyed that the announcers called out and they showed some bills fans in the stadium. Like like Dorothy from wizard vase like on wasn't a vase gone is good to know that like bills Mafia is pre social media. Oh. Yeah. Even. This out you can. You can tell that those mafias not doing it for the social media fame. Maybe it's like supercharged little bit but it's always been there. That's that's been my take about this. Yeah, and that's like the huge difference between like the. Whatever the twelve man that Seattle. Whatever the the twelve. That's the big difference right? Really passionate fan base but they are so fucking corny enforced and like you can tell they're doing gluck. Hey, look at me whereas Buffalo it's the most authentic. Ridiculous Dan based ever had. To. And I, hope they never change and part of me thinks that they aren't like. On social media so they'll never even. Realize have this fall we haven't got the Internet a Buffalo. Hopefully, they don't listen to this podcast. We just got now in New Hampshire. So get next ten years or so. Yeah, there were some So actually. Yeah. Let's let's do this. Let's give watch ability score. Greg, you don't have to because you didn't watch architecture but. We'll watch it Greg. Now, I watched the highlights. WanNa, come I give it like three E.. Are these and one as he championship. As a competitive game, not very competitive but nothing like snap in the slide by absolutely berry and the bills is added agree with you. was. Going into this. Like we've been doing a month patriots losses on this podcast record once a week and the last four weeks have been. Like more and more brutal losses is that it was only four games in a row they lost. Count. That's the longest losing streak in Patriots history is four games in a row. Now you made it how do you feel? Vindicated. Appreciation breath was four dance. Those Abiodun can we can we take a moment and appreciate that? The longest losing streak is four games right and we almost stop during the podcast because of. The lions lost all sixteen year. That's insanity. Didn't the Tampa Bay Bucks lose twenty something over two seasons Almost went two full seasons before when the first football game can. I. Can't wrap my head around being. A fan of team is so bad. Well Because, like we were patriots fans when we were little kids but little kids. Can't imagine being a thirty year old man and being like, yeah. Well, the lions are going to Suck Dick Again. A bunch of Dump Front Office Moose and we're GONNA draft the wide receiver in the first round. That's just what we do. The Celtics are Kinda dog shift for a while there. Through. Early early pierced early. Into Pearson. Antoine. Were Fun to watch nine. Playoff game against Indiana at which we enjoyed. and. Then they pulled it yet at the end of it. Ruins here though. Like. been competitive like all the Boston teams have been like on and off competitive at least some point. been a few years here and they're like the Bobby Valentine. Red Sox year the Celtics rebuild. That avid team the awful for super duper long especially if your favorite team as can be so tough. True. Give the other sports like you. Because closed minded. I just. I. WanNa like again I watch this game and I felt very Sense of appreciation. I. This is the worst the had to deal with for the next eighteen years. Right. But that's what I'm saying it's like. This game was kind of sports. A. Equivalent of. Like going on a really long car ride say to Buffalo New York and getting out like how Boston having a Piss and taking that piss and it just like the relief in the feeling of it. Or? You know, I'm sure there's other examples that we won't get into but. Shaving, your half beard off. Are you. Feeling lightness well. Is that I mean I got feeling a deep sense of regret or. Immediate regret. I'll be on a bills fan. Every morning Grech or going camping for a week when you look at yourself in the mirror and you feel shame. You're talking about. Being a Bishop Sh. Go, camping a week and you know you get all super dirty, never clean and come home and take a shower. Exactly. You sleep in your your clean bed that first night. That's what this football game felt like to me I agree and I'm not discounting that put us only four games. Only. This is the longest losing three we've had to endure and we'll. We've had to like think about all the other. People we've had on this podcast and we will have on the podcast of like. God just. CLEVELAND Browns, fans. Lion so like expectations to. It doesn't feel that bad when you're. Not Coming off super bowl when you expected to lose right. Still I think. We get like an odd bone here and there was an occasional win. You're like four twelve. Yeah. But you're you're playing yeah. You're playing not to have a good season but to have good games within a season. Yeah but this game fell like I've played soccer teams. There are some Cleveland browns fans out there who would love to do the same sort of podcast idea of ray watching every Cleveland browns game from two thousand and one but they're like actually we absolutely below the entire. Cross their mind because. They have had any success. Why would you anybody socks to them as we're going to do form browns right browns while. Rows Brown's. Brown Brown's. Don't think I have looked up how many players named Brown started for the Cleveland browns over the years. How many? There are two stat. Eight. Eight. Gorny Brown's and Jim Courtney. Do this Yep. Jim. Jim Brown Jim Brown Courtney Browne. You'll know. because. I know. The Patriots more recent more recent Courtney. Brown. Defensive Lineman. Malcolm, Brown bill like a Square Malcolm Brown. Felt like US where? Brown. I got nothing Oh. Sorry dumping somebody else. quarterback for Philly for a long time. Crisper. Malcolm. No. Shel-, Sheldon Brown. Sheldon Brown Courtney Browne Lomas Brown. WAS A. Tackle. Remember. Thinking, of Sheldon tune in this Sunday for young. That's got any of those sports. Booking Young Sheldon commercials I. Am I have been surprised by how often they're pushing the fantasy football angle. Yeah it started to me in my head fan didn't start until like Randy Moss. The CBS one to which I think is a yeah. But like it's strange see like in two thousand and one and even to them like. NFL DOT COM. AOL KEYWORD NFL DOT COM. Fantasy. How early they're pushing it? Yes it's true. Three one talk about these bills. I guess. So I just want to set the scene for me watching game yeah. I made it into ill event. Myself a bath pours. Wine. Let some candles really. Took, no notes just. And have a bathtub in your house yet, Dave. Not often but yes. I would like to save it up weeks the network that I. Can Fasih taking. Yeah epsom salt. Scenario. Sometimes a bath bomb. The Bass. That is, it's always like decreasing returns right? The best part is getting in when it super hot and then it gets worse and worse. So I don't really like bass that he's got to keep the hot water running. Kelly. told me that's genius idea. Yeah. But my problem with baptism too big for him. So I can never like you're underwater. The head floats. Float and in the top sticks out cold. Dick won't fit in the top. Call. US. Yeah Oh Lordy. This yeah. This was take baths see watching. The bath on the dictates about? Once a yeah I usually shower after I'll take a bath addict bath. Shit. I didn't think the bills were super stacked on offense. Bad drew bledsoe who was still legit as fuck back then you don't. This was his best year. Up until this point was they had. To sick receivers. Eric. Molin hairless price who's a third receiver that was also super good. A rookie Josh replay pretty well. Yeah, Josh Writers. Jay Riemersma. A Alzheimer's. Time and yeah. Travis Henry. Greg isn't your number one hall of fame of Kids Right? He's got very good seed. Don't know is like fifteen children by twelve women. Antonio Commodity Ear. They ask about it and he's like all the. Buffalo Fuck. Him Or will get he one of the two. I thought it was. So, your offense was like legitimately stacks. bledsoe threw for. Three hundred yards and twenty four touchdowns. Travis Henry went for fourteen, hundred yards on the ground at thirteenth does sounds. Eric Mold had hundred catches appeals fight at ninety four and I do my. Can I do my notes right now 'cause kind of kind of relevant to their Ross you have so go. So this whole page of notes that you see here. Is All Chris? Berman nicknames. I have maybe like seven or A. Berman nicknames, and then I gave a gave a run myself that making the bills. Okay. To be a new thing to grade my Berman nicknames. Well, how about how about you? I'm actually. Excited for this how about you give us big name we tell you who came up with it Ooh I like that. Okay. Okay. That makes them up. Ruben Extra Coleslaw Brown. Have you. Gone though it was like Ruben drones somewhat wasn't it was. was. To have the Bourbon nickname as well or US coming up with random nicknames. Basically, they're all going to be me for the bills because I went through their roster and use that. I'll give you a couple of my favorite ones. Yeah. Strong Salle it's not your Best Greg O.. Was My best. About this on. Coy Wire Go. Don't play coy with me wire. Alex Van Beaver Pelt. Oh Here. Department that's. Larry centers of attention not bad. Not Bad. Now, the good one. David Dinkins donuts. It. Steve really like that one. Oh. Yeah. With the fuck position to play them because like who the fuck that is. He was a injured reserve quarterback. That explains why is that Burma's name for? This one Desha poke a dotted bikini. That I could see. That one. I think that's that's all ones that. I came up with I'll give you some of Berman's wants because I went down that rabbit well would actually got me down to the Robin. Always Christian euphoria which adopted goods. Actually. Can't help but think that in my head when he's Tashaun. Andre, bad moon rising. That's on here. So apparently. I watched an interview with Berman and he was saying that's one of his favorites and apparently Andre Reisen has a tattoo that just says bad moon on. I. was like there's no way he's cleaning crew what clearwater revival like you got that from me. which is like potted percent. True. So that was. An interview with rich Eisen and rich zych. Thanks for me and he's like rich Lucy in the sky with is. Off the top of the dull I. think it thought of it before because he had like four or five? Don't. Let C. J. Touchy feely. That's like. This one. This one's might favorite natron refried means. Author Data Natron Business. John. Kit and caboodle. Hardy Har Hard Nickerson On the buccaneers to. At a million better. Yeah. Eric Sleeping with the enemy that's a cloud. Up, and here's actually another Buffalo Bill One peerless actual retail price. And He's the best. He's the best. Thing is not prolems. Shampoos his way for a first down I'm ricky. Position. Things of nicknames like how does he come up with them? Yeah. So they kind of asked him about that. There were like. Where did this come from? Why did you start doing this and he was like l. a lot people thought to just like. Arrow be corny but he was like. Back when sportscenter started like he was like I'd be like aren't at two am reading like a box score in the summer from Mike, a five three royals Indians game like they didn't even have highlights for it. So I just be like reading a box score live and he's like I have to do something to just be ridiculous but this hedges out all beautiful things start. I'm bored. Let's. Do. something. Up and let's be honest. It's how this started Exactly like what is Dan to? Notes have this game. Well I guess they can get into the game and Greg. Go the inner something. I'll talk next week. Thanks coming on her I got a couple of fun fact before we get into the missed the drew revenge game. Drew BLEDSOE's a second leading rusher on this team. He finished the season with sixty seven yards. Travis notes. All tribes entry, all fourteen, hundred of them Nobel's any. But blood. Drives Henry did the team. COED team with eleven fumbles each. Him and Travis Henry both fumbled eleven times each. Who Yeah? But as A Bat was ending record. They started five three. We got hit with the old robot voice. By the way. Is Lag. Nine and seven. So what is lag by the way? Explain like I'm five. I do that with. Greg. Greg guests their ending record say not in seven eight and eight came in fourth. Place. Now Greg reading the shown up some. The Chinese I knew that. Can't read the show because. For me even though at. The. Super Chubby. It's actually called. Lag Andy. You'll get one day. Is that any better? Better. Than asked regular act? All. I can throw it on the UH spot. Chocolate Chili who. Some Yeah. It's pretty good recipe. Chocolate Chili makes. Air makes it tastes like. But. Quite rich. face to. You also went through gay but sex phase, but we didn't judge you on that. Indie but. It we. You Back Steve. I'm still here I'm. Over to my house part I heard him giggle. Hey TV he. Any better. 'cause the videos the best part. Turn off again, the video because I like to see you guys Agri. Eight okay Andy, can you please say you like the video because he like to look at us? I'll take that as confirmation. Shave your chest Greg. A scissor MANIP- hair what about your armpit here I shave my armpits. Like Razor your armpit hair down approach in the here, a scissor as low as they can get it. got. Really Handy because I don't like when the hair he's come through here you know. Like I don't know it's one things. started. Church. We have our air. Why do we have it? Same about Hair Greg. To filter. What am I getting a lot of fucking poop. My fucking armpits to track the fucking molecules of stink. Stank. Stinky boy. Greg. What do you think if your first name had to Jeez? Like. Greg Williams I think it's a dickhead move. And I was reading a boat like Greg Williams and bountygate and like one of his most critical. Like one of the most critical journalists on them was another guy named Greg with two GS in it. I was like, what is this world coming to everybody? I. Think it was him. From New Orleans newspaper like Jesus Christ Weight And Hey, I have a question is it like Gregory? Gregory. Correct. But is it like Gregory with two GS? Or were they like names in their birth certificates Greg with two? Geez. It's avowed question Andy. I don't know. Here's what I'm GONNA. Do. You the fact for me. Williams is I. Think it's just Greg Jeez. Yeah because of the pro football reference. What about what could be? They should have their full man we yeah, we could. Use uses. For can we also talk about whatever vange game? This was for Antoine Smith? How about we do one time? Do we want to talk about game because that Greg Williams Let's talk about. Actually, did put that together but you're right he was what? Offense coordinator for them. No. He was the defensive oriented like Dec was his thing. While he was not very good at it. Clearly 'cause fucking hunk thirty, eight on. Well he was the head coach for the bills right and we can also dovetailed listened to Antoine. Smith's revenge game we will. Because anti-us maytag what a hundred yards running in to screen pass catching touchdowns look at their got bump. You fucking yeah. She's a steep trying to shit on Greg Williams a lot ruined. Let's let's talk about him first, and then we'll show it on. I'm going to build them up. He was. The bills head coach a one throw three. Went Seventeen and thirty one, his head coach. MISSA. Seventeen to thirty one They're three, fifty, four winning percentage. So, not great and then he started a defensive coordinator for you. This this is I head coach job. Okay, did you go well a one two or three him, and then back to defensive coordinating with The Washington? For a bunch of years Jacksonville New Orleans and Oh, nine, ten and eleven. And then. The road happened but the quote I pulled was on March second thousand twelve NFL announced that it had evidence that defensive coordinator Greg Williams, who created the program soon after his arrival in two thousand nine. An alleged that between twenty two and twenty seven saints players were involved Williams and the players pooled their own money to pay a performance bonuses. So I know what's his name coach? PEYTON got suspended for a year. Greg Williams actually got suspended indefinitely. Yeah. That would eventually get overturned the next year This had this like it almost forced. tagliabue's to resign right. Didn't have a lot to do with his retirement and that's how we got goodell. Well, what the Fuck Greg there's I think I think I heard them say that I was watching a video about it s crazy. But like he's clearly doing that everywhere else he went to it wasn't like he was quite to the saints is like you know what? I think your program. I think Paul Tag Tagliabue was like the the mediator or something. Okay. Between the League and the saints because like the saints filed some. Greens the saints players were suspended. But former commissioner Paul tagliabue overturned all sanctions against the players in December after finding that despite the players being very much involved the coaches and the saints, Organization were primarily responsible for scandal. Where's he at now you was. Cleveland right and then he was their interim coach. Yeah. Exactly. What he was used that Cleveland. Defensive Coordinator and then was there interim head coach after? What's his name? The guy that went owned Jackson? Jackson got fired. And he finished the season five and three and everybody like all the browns fans wanted them how Greg Williams, the head coaching job and they went no. They all want the other guy yet it and they gave it to him and he gets onto your kitchen. Right right. Well, I think it was. Out to Jeez. To Jeez can't plan these and they were on. Hard knocks at here. And he was like openly like shitting on. He Jackson. Came off as a Prek. Well clearly, he's county and I mean you can't take that bills roster and tournament to nothing. Last year, he was the defensive coordinator for your New York jets. I love that didn't know that. Oh Wow it comes full circle ag Greg. The Jesse had sucked. Tavon added is like the Fuck Outta here. It's amazing. Wouldn't pay them and allow other people. So. This whole podcast thing is that more than just for that? Back Greg Williams like everyone's like, oh, Sam darnold sucks. But like low key, their defense should be way better than it could be because the talent on there and like all the town on there's like at the here. Joe. The face of that. Elaborate Oh. Yes, shopping. Case. The Oh bills head coach the. United get. Fit. That's true yeah. Yeah. The. Yeah. The the Patriots Against Greg Williams Buffalo. Bills Team are five and one. Capably loss in the three years. I bet you know the lost. Thirty one. Thousand Nine. Does nothing to do Chris Williams that was. Bill Belichick. Greg Williams quotes from bountygate that are. Really well. I I actually have an admission myself I was like. I was like Oh. Yeah. Like bountygate. I've never really read much by it at the time I thanked. Me I was like you know what? I'm going to revisit this in likes see what all the details were. 'cause like in my mind I was like you know what? Rebound it's already. Like a super violent sport. And like to going out there to hurt people regardless, right you're trying to hit people's hearts you want like being aggressive in football especially in the defensive side of the ball is like a legitimate strategy, right? Let me give you a quote that that touches on that exactly now they're talking about drew bledsoe and. Willie mcginest in how good friends there were enough and they showed pre-game Willie mcginest coming up and given drew a bear hug from behind before the game. And then. The quote was from mcguinness I like them but I wanna hit them. Yeah. That's a good guys with and you. Play that's always existed. So I'm going to I'm. Interested to learn how you can set a bounty and a money system to like make that. Right and even like. Paying players, fines I almost like I can weigh my hand at it and be like whatever you know because it's like you want to be aggressive. You don't want to go out there and play with like some. Being, timid and shit like that. But then the. More got into it a say so they were filming a document. This is how it all came out as filming a documentary in the Locker Room. Of. Like an NFC championship game around that time. And one of the filmmakers caught is like hype speech the night before the game. and this is against San Francisco back in with the Alex Smith Days. I. Just read you some of the quotes from this. Boy It's going to be dad. Yeah. Kill the head and the body will die kill the head and the body will die. We've got to do everything in the world to make sure we kill Frank Gore's head. We want him running sideways. We want his head sideways. So. Pretty aggressive. But you know he's not explicitly. Explain it away, right? Yeah. He's the. One Stop, he goes on. Every single one of you before you get off, get off the pile, affect the head early effect the head continue touch and hit the head. Football. Just. So they had a wide receiver. Kyle Williams that had like concussion stuff coming out of college sounds. The little wide receiver number ten about his concussion. We need to fuck and put a lock on him right now he needs to decide he needs to fuck in decide. Michael Crabtree. crabtree wants to be a fake ASS PRIMA DONA, which is Larry. Or if he was to be a tough guy, we need to find it out. He becomes human. He becomes human when we fuck in take out that outside acl. Cheese. Christ we need to decide on how many times we can beat Frank. Gore's head. Billion Psychopathic we did decide how many times we can bowl rush and we can fuck put Vernon Davis his ankles over the pile. Oh. So yeah. He there's a line between like I. Want you guys to play aggressive football shirt and like I don't I don't want you to feel bad about playing hard and then there's like this guy's head concussions in the past hit him in the head hit him in the head hit him in the fucking head. On your is. Go Gopher ACL, because It's commodity. And real his Frank Gore, who is like an absolute tank It's like real up. Veteran could punch that the Abrahams. Take your fists and one Abrams. Abrahams go up there and just like just like beat on it with. It. I. Don't want you to come off the field had but at that Silva. That Greg. It's way more fucked up than that. Bridge cognitive. Shit? Yeah for sure way like. I just he's been ship in that. That's just. Real and Even or fucked up in anything the pages of I ever caught for. Right by bountygate whatever. bountygate it. Should is like he's literally. Telling people to tear ACL's give people concussions. Lasting you needed to work. Volunteers not yeah. It's worse than the actual bounty though in my back there were there were visor thousand dollars. Guys that are making it's like it's like doing one of those like when you're at work and they're like. Guests the day your coworkers baby arrives like no one gives a shit. Numbers. And competitive share guys in the locker like. Culture, right? It's not just that sort of unlike the they're betting on. If you score touched this this week I'll give you a thousand bucks you know. Exactly what extent? Injuries to yeah, it was like. Yeah of damage swept up yeah. I'm glad we beat his bitch ass in this fucking game then all other games. Crazy still like pretty prominent to right yeah. Back in the league housing blacklisted from that crazy well I mean just look at the redskins. Things to that's still going. Although extricate today. So we'll see we should put on this redskins while I shouldn't post article came out July sixteen twenty twenty. They're still called the redskins. They're technically not. Do you see that statement he released like he said redskins Fifty Times A. slider. Yeah. Realize I I live from redskins or something else so. The redskins town. Team so proud of redskins history redskins are definitely. GonNa. Make the best decision for the REDSKINS. Seventy. Everybody. Hates redskins. which what would your name change being? The DC defenders just pay the xfl franchise like everybody. And just like let's just rebooted as that. I. Really liked that. that. S Fishing I have two two things. They're. Either end of the spectrum one is the washing ball motherfucking eagles. Okay and the other is the Washington. Cox. Because all politicians are Cox. I think you have to play the politician angle think. The ship England calling the London redcoats called. Red Coats now I. Love it. Love it. That's earliest. Washington doesn't. Should they didn't Snyder doesn't deserve a team. That's what I mean. They area Kata does I mean of course it does well, they have one. Well we we had the DC defenders for like. Eight weeks. We're crushing XFL UP. Here. The capitals get great crowds like the nats do whenever it like a good team work rooting for who nobody gives a fuck about the wizards. Into bullets. Fishes. Them. Saying. They should go back to the bullets. If it was ever, they don't the ever got to the NBA Finals I have so many people call out. Even the capture a little bit that way but there's some definitely like Cap sans by her. I didn't know you were a Cap San Wow that Jersey looks really new. Wizards. Worse. Even like a billion the I've met one was abandoned here for fifteen years. I've met one guy who's like I'm a wizard San and the gotTa respected some. Players. Yeah John Walls like John Wall Bradley Beal Marsin. That gained seven. Kelly Linnet game. I washed that. Hidden. Traded. Olympic. Oh. Yeah. He saw soft. I fucking hated. That one game you super bowl. Doubt I watched that. was. sped. was distraught it's. We're in Bermuda on a cruise, and we like we found some bar in Bermuda to watch gained seven Celtics Wizards because you're both the it like. He's like. What? Do. I Hate Kelly Olympic to tell you. SO NEXT UP ON A. Celtics Dynasty podcast. You bought her andy because we're talking about something other than the Patriots. On the Patriots Day his. I'm just GONNA. Cut All this anyway. That, he does have that power. Give me. One Steve. I'M GONNA get to at that. I was going to. Make you talk about Anton Smith wealthy we got. Like. I'm back baby. You missed are talking about. Antoine, Smith. Not, I love. Antoine. All out in this game. I will I was GonNa talk about him with Greg Greg, and watch the Games. He has no idea what happened. Yeah sorry fresh. We're ready to go. All right. Waiting Greg to figure that technology. So Antoine signed last year the first to bill gains I guess we're his revenge game. Yeah I. think There was A. Every time he did. He said it wasn't. But I feel I still feel like there is so much hype in this game leading up to. The drew bledsoe revenge game that Anton might have been what about me? A. Little. Bit. I think you've had his because this wasn't his like this is blood cells first time back in sheriff. Been Back to buffalo twice already, but it was a different antoine in this game. I think part of it was a yeah he had. He had a game he had twenty nine carried hundred eleven yards rushing touchdown. That's classic Thuan but have you had five catches for thirty one yards and two touchdowns? Five catches all last year. So they actually. Museum. Find that there was a a know about so. In the first eight games of his career. He had one touchdown catch. And in this game alone he had to. Yeah. He's like it'd be like, Sony Michelle like catching three touchdowns. In a game. Or even to like. When no Sony's in there it's clearly a run. On third. Same thing they did the same thing to the the bills they screen them to death with Antwan. So that was the day. I, think that was more what it was and it was Antwan Smith revenge game. It was. For A. Greg Williams defensive trade or what but. His defense couldn't recognize the screen to save their fucking life. So yeah, well, Charlie Weis found something that worked on the screen and just well did the old. Doing, taking stop it and they never actually never. Yeah So I think did they had a fourth down conversion screen passes to Antwan Smith. Loss and five catches. He had a couple touchdowns which she milital wiggle onto but like It was fourth down and like one and the screen pass at the. Angeles. Believe. It was four three. Yeah Yeah. Crazy from the buffalo thirty five, but they didn't want to kick a field goals like fucking. But I also like. So yeah. So the all Brady's touchdowns where two running backs the screen to Antoine, on the. The. Action true screen to Antwon in the second quarter. Screen Antwon in the fourth quarter. And then he had what was the busiest swing past to come faulk. It was. That play was ruled. A. Run not a pass. That doesn't count. So that forty five yard yes. Swing pass to Kevin Faulk was Kevin Fox long Russia his career. on a on a swing path which acidic Kevin Faulk. The both Kevin Faulk fact it's as longest touchdown ever. If you watch that play I have notes about it is like Kevin faulk played that play perfectly because the bills were in the worst defense possible for the screen pass were they blitzing off the right side where it's going to left on the offense? Yeah. Kevin Faulk like bl- picked up the block or even like block the dude, and then I pulled off and caught the pass and has gone well I don't know if you saw the the replay that CBS talked about where the Linebacker I think they said London Fletcher was supposed to be covering him. So he was on the same side and when he came over to cover Kevin Faulk. Won The offensive Lineman just ran out there and just like their doctors. And so forth was wide open. Receivers blogs to yes. I wanted say it was troy. Brown of course, round one defender into the other and knock them Volkova. bonkers walked in. His seat. You'll be able to find that replay on. Patriots downs. You. Know I. Bet you don't have on Patriots Dynasty is my play the game. Greg got to play the game. We can go first since he didn't watch it at tiles interception. New. Coming. Obviously, which do you WanNa, talk about that did you see the end of it? I don't know if they showed it on the highlights. I don't think I did was he doing the dance? No but the end of it because he got pushed out of bounds and the first guy come up to them to congratulate him and slab on the head and it was like screaming Adam. Ill Bell check. I believe. Two Thousand and two bill check way or am an animated by the bill. But this is like the most ever seen him. Yell at like yelling at him. Slapping him on the head like fired up. I've never seen well according to Mike. He sells his soul at some point and then rose the fire. It's going to be pretty soon. Think Andy. Play the game. Let me see. I do it was I I have a few but I'll we'll go this one. It was a pass to Troy Brown. BLEDSOE. Brady was on the run. and He. A. Brown was even open. But. He managed to fit Louis like inches away from the defenders has and Tori Brown caught a falling over I'm watching date it and I'm literally yelling like there's no way he caught that and he gets up and again I've never seen anybody as animators troy was that on that play he's Jawing at people you like doing I down dances. What is going on something about buffalo that? Rallies Boys Up. I'm pretty sure that offender like I can just a touch on it and may guy the tip of his finger on it on when it was going does aunts for pretty also had a couple of those like he's zinged that on the move but he had to one was like a shot put that he did. Might be the only chef of past ever seen very throw. It wasn't pretty Any convert another third down early where he Like look like he was gonNA. Lit Up but right at the last second, he just like chuck into the the running back was in the middle of this falk. Yeah and converted that and no one thought to govern on like third in like fifteen. Yeah, he converted. Radio, pretty, good stats twenty, two, twenty, six to sixty five. Essentially four touchdowns. touchdowns are just literally screen pass. said a paid one single game completion percentage record in this game. makes. Broke his own record of last season of eighty percent. This was eighty five point one percent completion pood- BLEDSOE's stats are so bledsoe to twenty eight of forty, five for three hundred, two yards one touchdown one pick for Saks Limos light. So stat line ever. Let's if you WANNA get so blood. So On, the first drive of the game, the bills drive straight down the field. They. Pages couldn't stop a kick return. So they cut the kick return to their own thirty eight may throwing forty. In two places at the Patriots Twenty Five. And then on third down sack for fourteen yards because he's A free is algorithms they run backwards they get sacked, and then they missed field goal short by two yards. On that is I'm surprised he didn't Hook. It, up. I was little surprising throw back over shoulder. THOSE SANDS WE'RE HIGH BLOOD SOLO Huge. Standing when he shut up Yep as as you would expect. Here is awesome quarterback at that time. He could carry a team I, what did they? The the announcers said something about. There were calling him. Pasta sauce or something like that. Because he covered over the imperfections on the team. and. If you put enough pasta sauce on anything, you know it'll take eventually. Maybe we'll just leave the nicknames to Chris Berman Bills. Those kickers Zach though he that field goal which was like just barely short dose of Bledsoe had thrown away deathly three points. He missed like a super chippy he was another one. In the third quarter. Quarter Park let him know about it? He actually didn't have that bad of a year outside of this game either really. Yeah. He was twenty five of thirty three on the year he missed three kicks on this day so. I made a single kick outside of extra points. He didn't make go kick. Yeah. He's three of five for fifty plus on the year. Wow so I mean he Bag decent kicker. Tough Day. So Shot L. Michael Astute where we stand with you. I'm. Fairly judged. We're going to stop unfairly judging people all this time to debate on ways and even change her tune. Did you see that guy in the state of your head? But she's not the cheesehead with the Buffalo Wing. How I've never seen that before was he wearing Zubaydah's to of course now this is two thousand and two Buddy Mackenzie has legs but. It was like a cheese head but a buffalo wing buffalo wing stick out the side it was huge. legit. Yeah Google Princeton some. Hossam. Images can I work in one purchase chicken wing Hat xactly. Dot Com. And it's GonNa live purchase guys. He's been out of the lease it's two, thousand and two. It's not on Amazon anymore. I feel like. Fills. Mafia should really embrace the buffalo wing hat the cheese had. Oh. They were just make everything about the bills. Mafia. Just one little. It's to eleven. Does one mafia store. Link I had had two links that were done so. So, don't even make it right now. Brutal. Off. Oh wait. A founded. Forty six dollars now. Pricey pretty steep but it's awesome. How much our zoo Baz. What does it smell like those what I WANNA know Fuck in. Buffalo Wings. For therma-tru wing lovers out there who aren't afraid to show their pride I scared. I'll make myself look like a fucking jackass to show how much I. Love Chicken Wings Goddamn. Prove it. This is an opportunity for bills Mafia. The? Wing Hat I agree. And we'll surprise has already I am shocked as well. I haven't seen any wagons either which is a little disappointing 'cause circle the wagons actually yeah. That was Chris Berman by a buffalo wing thing everybody can get behind that. It's true. Let's see what was your play the game. Because I watched every game all the way to the last play. It was the last flavored it. The last play. Is. Eight thirty seven, you're only talking about the last drive in general. MOSHING Thailand. The last time it was great because. You're right. The had note here, Ninety nine to go down by thirty one with one shifty three wives bledsoe out there. So. Yeah. Because the Patriots run down the clock. After bloods I guess picked off the first time. The. Only time but the first time in. The series against the Patriots. So the pads, just run down the clock and bitches like running antoine up the middle. They get four goal from the three and you know do the classy thing and just run up the middle again. Stopped at the one. To bubble started their own one yard line. Literal garbage time less than two minutes. They're down thirty one points and Greg Double G. Williams decides you know what? It's fucking were going out. We're going out slinging. I'm sure there's a bunch of bounties on the line. BLEDSOE's. GotTa get. Touchdown. Passing here. Jet Himself another another grant. So he can buy some chicken wings, and so they come out swinging in the pages you know whatever. So they drive all the way down to the Patriots Five Yard Line Right. It was it. Very much of that thirty, one nothing game for the Patriots kind of it reminded me of the The steelers game early season where the seals are trying to score that last touchdown for whatever fucking reason and running trick plays and all that SORTA. Like dying to scored the last touchdown. Kind of felt like that. So here's here's a accounting of the last play. The Patriots had zero blitz unlike the three plays before it the what happened you they're playing drew blood cells like. Bring the House. But what happens? Place. The. refs. Decide to call pass interference on the Matrix in the end zone twice in a row the pages like give a shit we're gonNA. Keep bringing in house. They did they brought everybody in played man covered on the outside and which leads us to the last night game Steve. Just buds against absolutely buried zero bullets. Three rushers. And he ends up on his back. Really McGinnis on top of them. which is started day down in his soul and the had I get here how an upon the bills. Deter for rebels and stadium yeah. Having lost by. Thirty. Thirty one points kidding get a garbage time. Off. What into Romeo to make Megan? So mad at me rest were doing their best. There was three defensive penalties on that pet drive because other one was the The the personal foul. You know there was the personal foul facemask. there's another one those of personal foul on really McGuinness for slamming bloods it to the ground on a sack. Actually body slammed him. That was totally deserved. Yeah. That was. But the the horse call the face wasn't commuted. Grabbed him by the it was Ta- Jones our friend Muggy. Jones. Grabbed the guy by the shoulder pad. clotheslines as. And call for the penalty because nobody expected anybody could do that to a man. So I saw an advertisement for playstation who in this game really. Yeah. And had. Thought is WHO's older Tom Brady or playstation. Tom Brady. He was tonight at this point not true. What cell playstation two is older than Tom Brady older for his career wise or holder. Around close. It's very close. So playstation two debuted March fourth drape Brady was drafted April. Sixteen. In two thousand. Yeah Yeah So a month and a half between playstation two getting released and Tom Brady getting drafted. In, Tom Brady is still playing. Playstation five bucks come out. That's true. Pleasant. And Mom and Dad Batas the second Saturn. DREAMCAST soups. What's dream capsules awesome this? Like Tom Brady started when playstation two started. Yeah. I wonder what? The? Yeah it must have been in. Madden two thousand. Yeah, he. Actor. In the first. Playstation mad and physician to imagine cheeses. Again like. It's weird to wash gays never one listen to this watching him by like. square screen to knock eight not wide-screen I wasn't a thing back then there's no HD. You definitely have to wear glasses to see the score in the time like, wow this game has the yellow line for the first down this. Nice. It's crazy to watch the gains back then versus like. Now we're in playstation five and yeah production qualities vast saying. Do. You know though the only two quarterbacks to sign a ten year deal are true blood bledsoe and Pat Mahomes. Far Yeah. It's not true and also mcnabb, Dan. We talked Oh yeah. We'll. Bitch yes. We went through the whole. fucking pitch. Who is the first one decided tenure deal? Gino Cappelletti mcnabb. Drew Bledsoe's deal with the Patriots was ten years. So as mcnabb was like twelve. mcnabb's post break bledsoe. We're about Brett, farve? Postal. I'd say, no, I don't think that's true. Same. What's wrong? Grip. Brett Farve is burst one stand check. Ninety Eighty signed that thing. Hey, Alexa earlier. Hey Girl Greg. Greg Rewatch. Who was the first NFL player to sign a ten year contract? Chance. Aso's scheduled to start. Your the answer. To fucking dubbed. How you get like one is the season starting over WHO's The I? I give up it seized even starting. On that anyway got dammit nude. Oh. Hey update I bought the hat. Nice. We're in business. Which? Chicken Wing Hat. On its way, that's basic. Yeah. Aware. If it comes before next episode where on the POD. We're going to get some insight on the next bills game and chest. Really Suss out how they've done it. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa Award, that hat to somebody last call because I already have so much useless shit in my house and I know a lot of bills fan saw I've might do some sort of competition like that. Wishes give anybody. Any bills fan is going to will come on this podcast and get pooped on. Bills Fan we never our listeners. That's what I was going. Say You have a few different bill fans on for the next few games. Honestly as like a bills fan. You deserve it just for being a Bill San. Bound for all of them like any they all deserve it like I can't say one is more deservedly. So where to every Bill Santa Fe? That is so hard core. Buffalo Buffalo Wings rock to. Yeah. Fair listeners if you ever thinking about going to buffalo game, just do it. Oh. Yeah. You know it's not glamorous, but it is an experience I mean the Talked about in this game broadcasts of like Oh. This is the best. Place to go watch a game. Yeah. There you go to Niagara You can go to the casino you can go get buffalo wings. You can go to football enough to fill up a long weekend. Just with those things along renton are vera you don't need a nightclub. You don't need like more than six people at a bar like you. They're legitimately the first time I went there. I was driving through the city of Buffalo. On a Saturday night is the night. Before the game we're looking for a bar couldn't find anywhere. And a fucking deer ran across the highway. A deer ran across the highway. Wiley. Coyote fucking laugh through that happens in Hampshire to but. There was. It was completely safe because there was no one on the fucking highway. Saturday night in buffalo middle. Middle. It's a special breed up their. Their Super Fun and Agree I mean if you're GONNA go honestly if I had one away pastry scheme to go to Buffalo. New Orleans Abby. Good to. Loans a SEC but like the the atmosphere in the parking lot with New Orleans buff allows us not. Big With that pre game buildup. On and say Pittsburgh's up there to. See Pittsburgh being similar. are boils do our best and worst here? Okay Greg I crack. No you guys go I figured he had his best. Taiwa interception houses plainly those my play the game yeah. Stevia, which is also as best. only watches like five minutes these games. In how `bout there's my is Nfl prime-time Highlights Yup. This thing was legitimately five minutes long. They do that for every game think about what like Sportscenter does for highlights football these days. It's like it's like six plays Max Max isn't that the game was good. Yeah. They'll have Shannon Sharpe will. Stop Give me five minutes of Gimme five Mansa. There's probably like twenty as yeah. Yeah. We should do that. We start our own youtube channel where people want. People are sick of listening. Like well, let's talk about Colin capper. Neck. It. Not. Again. I I haven't done I sandy. Worst. Okay, this Sean Jackson's comments on Jewish. Just getting got. if you guys go your. Although I think. I have, commutation best. It was Phil Simms. Asian have we confirmed that's a word yeah. I get quick check on that. No I looked it up the day that we the. Very dancer abroad. Phil? Simms. The quote was the buffalo offense has not played their bad today and drew bledsoe has played well. literally, five seconds before you bledsoe throws interception to title. Perfect perfect timing. Just mock. Chefs skin He also had a comment about how this buffalo teams about where new the New England team was this time last year. I don't think that would work out for Buffalo. But in terms of best for like place. I would say the come faulk longest rushing touchdown of his career was a swing pass. It just feels so right as pretty. Cool. He's coming into his own this year. Yes. Pass catching. Back. Fourth Year Right. This is fourth year in the league just crazy about and he was like pretty highly regarded command school. So I think he went through that like Zia bust phase right and then he can. Really pull it together but I think in two thousand, they tried to have him be the the league. Is. Not a lot is giving them every tiny yep. He's original Shane. Rain. would. Yep. He's a James White to me where like James White wasn't he? Be like he's he's looking really good and camp in practice. But he got the ball and you'd be like. I don't know but then like eventually found his footing and now Jin's white is like the best player on our offense. Is this he created the Jane's White Position in our offense. The same way try Brown created West Walker and the. Position Was the original Yogi. Kevin thoughts like his stats at Lsu were pretty ridiculous. They weren't. Yeah he was. A. Second most career rushing yards in SEC history behind only Herschel Walker. Like all purpose all purpose yards he was tied for fifth in Ncaa History and I in SEC history when he when he went to the NFL is that Lsu, right? Yeah and that's where he's coaching coach he's running backs coach. What round was he drafted in Second Round So he was like highly regarded coming up. Worked out. The expected him to and he was. Actually. been the Jane's white comparison is Hudson James was the second draft pick Wisconsin. He did like he was kind of behind somebody, but he definitely had that purse yardage We. Ringo and. On. So glad, we kept James White. fucking. Men see feet Jimmy Blanco. Is the. Best the worst. Worship. More quote. This is for Greg, it was about quote from Tyler. Talking about how he's GonNa Approach the game. Covering speedster Eric Moulds so we can play the speed game if we want, we can wrestle to if we need to. Know it was like so perfectly tyler. fx The patriots are more wrestling at this point though they're. Is definitely like a liability who's GonNa come in a little clear that like You put a guy on him. He can get burned in Terrell Buckley was kind of. pulled. His Dad. But my worth was well, you know anything about wrestling is right. On Personal Russell. We will I ask water wrestling. Fuck you. So the good thing about having sex. Hard, pat cut that. But okay. Ka. tickling. My worst other than Greg's. Shitty joke. There is color. Wasn't Shitty. A funny joke if you think about it chairs shared. It's it's just. Keeps keep it going buddy. A rape. Joke Steve. I use the word Shitty. Off Color, shady. Threatened you pooper Eric Ahead. So my worst in his game was a new England kick coverage. Because, yeah, they end up Squibb again specialty squirting out of bounds and actually like. giving. The bills worst field position than if they kicked off. Yeah, special on route. Forty. Hours bad not great. And house like the old Charlie Rogers was returned. It was sped is really good. Plane him a lot of Lot of respect them hundred heard this we've had a couple returns where he was broke it all channel. saw that knows like fuck this let them get back into it with. One play. But then. Out of kicking out of bounds a great. I have my best and worst. The worst and I I don't know this for sure but I'm pretty sure. That this might have ended Victor Greens career. You think statue ticket hurt did he play after this greg? Because I know he is like this is last season ish but. He's coming on a blitz and the like against fourth quarter. The Patriots is and blitz after blitz atra blitz bring the house and Larry Centers. The Buffalo fullback blocked some Guy Ns kicks his right leg out and his fifth degree in right in the fucking knee Yup and victims green just collapses and I. think that ends his career. Wrong. Now. Did he play again this year. Yeah. Played every game. Really. Doesn't start though. Steve Steve's not a step check guy either way like. Clearly only ten year deal. L.. Start for more games. Dirty ass. Garland's how you slice it. It was a super dirty like. Walking some dudes sees afraid blitzer comic and stakes legit tripping. Call you but he Kicked dogs I thought. No you got them right in the knee. He went schinder neon on victory and he was out like two games down for A. And then. My best left is Daniel, Graham Giving mine he added a couple of catches early on and like the bills had no answer for him. He was he was catching a bunch of screenplay. One. Now, that will have on the website where he caught a screen pass, but the two defenders like. Just blue stripe passer blocks. So two guys coming on him after like immediately catching the ball and sidestepped them both and took off like another ten yards. Amazing especially, the first half Graham List La. Shifts. The Patriots Original Hernandez Gronk plan screaming he have. Graphic. Yeah. I think they wanted him to be the Ben Coach replacement. Who who would you take Watson or Graham? Question. Bag they're also saved me. Yeah me too I think Watson just barely I feel like I can remember more like. Big Play like clutch touchdowns from him. Like that game where they beat the bills on Brady's first game back and. Came back. For touchdowns in Those words a gram. To Watch Watson. And Watson ran down Champ Bailey to. Yet plays sick. Let's take a look here. So watching six, thousand career yards, forty four touchdowns, tick protecting career or patriots career. Career. Career. But who is better for the PATS? I think. They think it's Watson. Neither lived up to their first round building though I think it's been Watson I think by a statistical standards if the Patriots double dipped back to back years first round tight ends right now. that. That's what they did. Right? Because Graham was the year before Graham was this year as a rookie lesson was here before Watson? What? Watson. Oh for. Now so to check. Steve. Either way I mean we're talking in two, thousand, two, thousand, four. Texan three years. In three drafts while the that says what they say, what they think of Dan Graham to Roy tight end position in general. True Yeah because eventually they figured it out with. The the again this year right level dipping it. Last night this past year didn't. They didn't throw it to the titans at all. So. A lot about another hot take, which might be my my hottest take. Live so ready for this. I think I've actually maybe a win on this podcast with for. I feel even stronger about it and now that I've read about it. Pete Carroll throwing on second down was the right decision. At that heartache it's not. Nearly as hot as the Aaron Hernandez is better than they do people fucking murder Pika, they they basically chalk that game up to a bad coaching decision. It's right coaching decision. If he the fade, it would have been a little bit better. Yeah. It's second down you have one timeout. You run the ball. Yeah. The burn that time. Oh. And you basically lose fourth-down Yeah Greg. We already slice and dice as a bunch if he does a fade is instead of. The play calls is wrong call I even like the play call. The slides pretty safe throw. Disagree with you there. It's an incredible play by by the problem I have with it. The only problem I have with is didn't play action like you have. Right. You have them thinking run and you have a mobile quarterback like get him on the pocket action. Bootleg. Could Talk Iran too so That's the problem I have play call. The throwing pass to me I think is is a good decision in Nazi you shouldn't be running a shotgun throwing it inside the. Air. It's not that hard take right I think I think a lot of people would disagree with I. Think You'd get a lot of defenders through though I heard that a lot. A bunch of times people look foot could. Piece year. End Your Hernandez's take is significantly more lava molten hot. Put it down record right here. Right now, who's going to be a better tight end the Patriots distracted. On Keane or a Devon. You see I'm not. I differ Steve from maybe you or you and your friends and associates. I don't make I don't just pull takes out of my ass. Do. I haven't watched these guys play like a shock to me after the. Second. Dresser. That God damn s about just fired shit out. Absolutely unbiased. told. Tonight no associates me. Pat Mahomes and drew bledsoe Tatum quarterback decisions me. And stats over storylines we are all data guys you. You're just a fucking held up a thing of nicknames. She full of Chris Berman here literally right to your data down by Penn Pepper. All about the data. By Data Chris barbeque nicknames. Hardy. Nickerson. She. Yeah. I mean it's free sick. I'm doing that from here on out. How narrow it down to like maybe my best three but I'm GonNa Scout Away, teams for nicknames 'cause I'm a big fan of I'm a big fan of funny names so. You're the funny name Hall of fame. Guy Oh. Yeah? Yeah. No treasonable we should have a mount rushmore of funny names if we're GonNa do this so. Share. In Hardy Har Har Nickerson. My number. One vote. Just because he played the day of Bucks Natron, refried means. But. Andy said they have to mainstream hardy Har Har. Nicholson's the only one willing to enshrine right now. Hardy Har. Har. Just. Plays so hard. It's Been in the Buchan ears, he played the box. That's that makes it a billion times better. Yeah. All. Right boys what's next week? The Patriots? barrel enchant. Champagne Oh. Newspaper Clippings from this we win you. They were GONNA lose again. Could be. Don't know sign I'm over like not known the score now. Like. Actively seek out the score. But if I see it, I'm not going to be upset. I WANT NOT GONNA win. This is just a good game. Is it at the bears or at home? It is a Memorial Stadium Champagne Illinois Champaign Illinois. Champlain. Lake champlain. or My. My pain. Illinois. I don't know actually it might be champlain I'm sure champlain. Look you've been right so far this podcast. Over seven. Right because I'm looking. In Chicago, so I should know guys. Annoy. Ellen, know we're looking for. In ferndale wait complain we'll figure isn't there. Did you ever get in touch with that guy who wants to be on this podcast? Is that? Plane. That's in New York okay. That's what we're thinking of that. New York border in Canada I don't remember this game at all so I'm excited to watch it again. I I've seen the highlight of his game. It's very exciting. I'm going to do I'm GonNa do a lake champlain deep dive. I'm going to talk about the biodiversity of the lake. Let's go up with the nickname. Change. Over since two thousand and two as well. Just wanted to win. Acres of wetlands. Greg. Well, it's four, hundred, Ninety, eight miles Any word from that guy who let's review who wants to be on this thing on that? Only tried to and see but you interrupt no, we have not heard from wherever that was left us. Review on facebook or Tune somewhere else I didn't. We did post one right on facebook saying if you. With Everything you. Haven't heard back. Through again, I might reach out to who I think it. You think it is. Guys left us the. BEARS FANS I know. He probably got a couple of twinkie friends raised. National. I know I mean also from work. Work. Nice. A joke. The beginning privacy. Well, I'm the only one who? fucking. Ones any friends of any other team while did you hear what I said though that I know gay guys I said, you know twinkie friends. Say now. Bear since. Pro You know couple from work. I know I know gay people from work to. Do. I got still my best friends are gay. Yeah. I've convinced. How the person twitter to come on That that's Hilarious I actually I actually do know a gay person from Chicago they live next door we're good buddies. Get? One of those Dan pod Greg. Show Jake he's awesome. Magic, all right. All right. We wrapped up I will see you next week. We're recording on the patient divy podcast. Do by the way lake champlain sounds like it's got like some sort of fucking sweet underwater reef. And extensive or to Vichy and carbonate rock formation and each just cut the ending in way earlier that's exactly minute. Do all this shit dude. But what about the ecology of the Fucking Lake? Andy cutting. Did it's actually pretty the war of eighteen twelve, the revolutionary war, the siege of Quebec. Ever heard of it. Should I try and get my Chicago friends on IT FOR NEXT WEEK I'll try reach out this other person. Doing. have. Foot on the other side of my chair and I accidentally pressed the button that lowers in it. would. Our Boys it's all we have for this week. Thanks for tuning in again and we will see you next week.

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The Year That Was

Championship Drive

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The Year That Was

"Winning games. This time of year is a tough job that doesn't get easier when it comes to tough car repairs. Autozone. Makes it easy with their free loan tool program. Choose from over one hundred specialty tools to help you get the job done right deposit required. This is campus conversation now, here's your host, Ivan Mazel. Hey there. Welcome back to campus conversation Wednesday, January ninth twenty nineteen. I've in MS L. Here's the man just said this is our season ending show. We're going to put a bow on the twenty eighteen season. Look back at our favorite moments. We'll catch up on the news that we have ignored while we were gushing over Clemson and Alabama in that order over the last few days. We'll look back fondly at the cliff Kingsbury era at USC. And joining me to do that crisslow. How're you doing see low? I haven't a great good to be with you guys. You guys would include Jake Trotter. How're you doing Jake didn't? Well, I've and by the way, here's like to me. I don't know what you think Ryan. But the podcast today team was yesterday. Just looking at the rosters. I'm gonna agree with I guess, I'm a to platoon guy. Then as both shows that's Ryan McGee. So as as we love to say, we have a slow talking show for you a lot to get to. We are going to take a long look at the twenty eighteen season. Give you our best moments of the year in various forms, but first let's get out of the tunnel. Time to come out of the tunnel on campus conversation. So what we missed while we were focused on Santa Clara. Let's take it. A lot of Sistan coaching news cliff Kingsbury who had been at USC has offensive coordinator for a matter of days takes the Arizona Cardinals head coaching job. If I were a better reporter, I would be able to tell you the last. F B S head coach to be fired with a losing record to be hired as an NFL head coach after the same season, nothing immediately springs to mind, but. Jake. I'm I mean, you've watched Clint you keep an eye on the big twelve you. You've watched cliff at Texas Tech. We all like cliff we all recognize he's a talented offensive coach. He he did wonders at Houston. Texas Tech certainly scored a lot of points thought the object was to win games. I don't know. What what do you make of this? Well, he's the first coach from the college ranks to be hired by fell franchise. It's twenty fourteen Bill Brian would from Penn State to the Texans. You know, I think the key is going to be candidate pair him with a Wade Phillips type similar to McVay with the Rams, you know, he's going to need, you know, that type of defensive mind the fence of coordinator to just kinda run the defense, but cliffs development, and I for quarterbacks is undeniable they're five guys in the NFL that that he he coached. I mean, remember case keenum, Houston, I know Johnny Manziel fleet flamed out. But he was a first round draft pick of the Browns. Baker Mayfield was there for a year. And then I mean, people forget you Patrick Mahomes, only to college offers other than Texas Tech. We're from Houston and rice, it's not like this guy was a big time prospect coming out of White House, Texas, but cliff understood in recognize the. The potential and talent that Mahomes had in. Now, he might be one of the two or three or four best quarterbacks in the entire fell. So I did with Josh Rosen there Zona that has a chance to be. I think a chance to be a really good pairing. If they can find the right guy to to to handle and take care of the defense. Adam schefter. I'm sorry for minute. I thought we were doing an NFL podcast. But but I I asked the question and Jake David very good answer. The other and Klay Hilton. Now is of course in the market for an offense coordinator again cliff had been a really good higher for him to address what else the Trojans? And and now he's got to start looking all over again. The other big assistant coaching news ceelo is over the last few days. Not only have we seen guys leaving Michigan. But now Georgia. With. Jim Chaney going to Tennessee offense coordinator, that means Karbi smart must replace both coordinators since Mel Tucker is now the head coach, Colorado. That's right. And this is the worst time you wanna be looking for coordinator because coaches are getting ready to go back on the road recruiting here. What the date or two and? Jed period for them because they're all at the AFC a convention right and kids recruiting one who coordinator is going to be defensive offensive and knowing that if your head coach your pound the pavement trying to find those guys so certainly not Adiel town for for Kirby, smart or Klay Elton. I'm a little surprised Jim Chaney would lead Georgia to go to Tennessee. When you look at the returning talent coming back Georgia, and it's still an uphill climb at Tennessee one thing about Cheney chains. Really good football coach, I'm known Jim for a while. He he's been. A bunch of different places. He's worked under a bunch of different people. He's been in fail. He checks a lot of boxes that jerem uproot was looking for. But he is a guy if you look at his record his track record. I don't know if you wanna call it restless or tended to move around a lot after a couple years to three years. So if you look back at it in that from that perspective Ivan, maybe it's not a surprise. I know he loves east Tennessee when he was here before coaching under lane kiffin and Indira tool. He loved the area. He's told people ultimately he'd like to retire to these Tennessee area. I think that probably had a lot to do with it. And you know, maybe he's one of those guys one of those coaches you just need to challenge while he's only fifty six years old presumably he will not retire anytime soon. I was thinking as you were talking about him. But he has been one of those job hoppers. I met him at the Rose Bowl. Nineteen. Twenty years ago eighteen or nineteen years ago with drew Brees Purdue when they they lost to Washington the Rose Bowl. So he he's been around. No question. He's talented Georgia scored a lot of points this year. He's he's a good play collar. But that upsets everything at Georgia at Ryan. I'm just surprised Georgia had a very good season. And now we're seeing. Assistance. Leave Justin field is already enrolled at Ohio State. Should we is this just the way businesses done? These days you sensors anything we need to keep an eye on at Georgia. Well, I don't know it's early. So maybe not. But, but perhaps, you know, we keep wanting to say that Kirby smart is the next Nick saving, and this is kind of Alabama, right? Guys are gone right point. Yeah. And I laugh to myself you said, everybody's at the coaches convention in a quiet period. I'm like, no. Because clearly at the coaches convention, everybody's doing job interviews right now. Because it's it's it's just that time of year. But no, but but maybe that's a compliment. And that certainly I bet how smart will frame it up. Anyway. Which is hey, I'm used to this. You know, everywhere coats, particularly Albama Gaza leaving for other jobs all the time. So I'll take that as a compliment. But but ceelo makes great point though. And I think that we maybe or guilty all of us are forgetting that. Which is you know, you're never home. And if you want the family would be happy, and they all loved it needs to see, and they're still they're willing to pay you as much as you're making now than perhaps, that's that might be the biggest reason for the move. You know, sometimes I think we forget about the things with those guys will make moves based on you know, what I taught allot coaches over the years that have said, I'm like, you know, what we won games. But man, I really hated living in so and so or. Really hated working under. So and so, and so maybe maybe this is one of those where the family just like, hey, we got a chance to go back to where we like it. And I I think it's got to be Infas here. This is a huge. Hi, Jammie Pruitt's hard for Tennessee, period. And I think we'll get the phone numbers later day. But I'm hearing this contract somewhere three your deal somewhere in the range of one six one six five per year pushing five million over three years, which would make Cheney. I think this is right. If not the highest paid off of coordinator in college football right there near the top. So Tennessee reaching deep into its pocket book to bring in a guy. That's got us. You see experience. It's coach seven for schools who and I think this is the other thing the box that he checks. He has been a super developer quarterbacks. Jim Chaney has everywhere. He's been guys played well at that position. And they've gotten better. So this is again, Tennessee paying the kind of money they felt like they needed to pay in. What's it critic? Hire for Jeremy Pruitt and this entire pro. Of course, Cheney not dealing one leaving Georgia four players from his offense have declared for the NFL draft. Riley. Ridley may Hartman the receivers Isaac NADA tight end and allies, you Holyfield the running back and Luke Ford a top rated tight end recruit is going home. He's transferring Illinois so along with Justin fields at six players off, the offense of depth chart would have been could have been there for twenty nineteen Georgia instantly becomes a very interesting story for spring ball as we look ahead. The other big piece of news. We wanted to hit before we look at the year in review is the hall of fame class, the national football foundation sponsors the college football hall of fame and Monday. And now it's the twenty nineteen hall of fame class led by Vince young the Texas quarterback rocket is male the Notre Dame returner and receiver Patrick Willis, the ole miss linebacker who went onto solid NFL career with the forty Niners. The other player. Here's Florida state, Terrell Buckley. Oklahoma defensive back Ricky diction London Fletcher from the small colleges he went on to long careers. NFL linebacker Jacob green at Texas. I n the defensive lineman North Carolina State wide receiver Torry. Holt Arkansas running back Darren McFadden, probably the youngest player inducted. He was just at Arkansas little more than a decade ago. Arizona state quarterback Jake Plummer USC defensive back. Troy, pull a Malo. I think he played linebacker USC. And then went to safety or was it. Yeah. I think I well anyway, it was very good Wisconsin offensive lineman. Joe Thomas and Michigan state running back Lorenzo white. Dennis Erickson who won two national championships at Miami. And coach virtually every school in the Pac twelve. And Joe Taylor was one of the best HPC. You coaches will also be in the class who. Ryan who's your favorite guy on in that group? What story do you think of those names? Well, I need to say to your missing one. There's one other. It's the first time I non player coach has been inducted the Goodyear blimp is going in. Yeah. Get your people breathlessly ran up to me on Monday to let me know that I need to when you make sure we make Mitch into that. I'm excited to see Darren McFadden going in. But I I have really enjoyed over the last couple of years getting to know, Vince young. And you know, we have hall of famers and we have Heisman Trophy winners. And we have great players, but there are certain guys that when they walk into the room. There's there's a little bit of royalty to in. Vince young is one of those guys and worked on a piece last year. But the the anniversary of the great Rose Bowl with Texas in USC and solvents just the other day. And I just think there's there's I've thoroughly enjoyed getting to know him. But I'll say this guy's that. Didn't win the Heisman who changed the air and the stadium. I mean, see low. I'll never forget rocket is Milwaukee out and standing there to get ready to return a punt at Neilan stadium. And they're playing see which team is gonna leave that building number one in the country and him doing some sort of funky dance. Like standing out there by himself in the middle role at world like this jerk and he immediately returned to kick back like seventy yards for touchdown. But rocket Bill he's he might be. He he is was a forgotten guy to an entire generation. But maybe the best athlete I've ever seen on a football field. It was a ninety game in kneeland St. in nineteen ninety that Notre Dame when great football game talent all over the field on both sides. They it seems like it was a pitch or a quick toss to him to the right side. He left vapor trail down the right sideline that it looked like he was shot out of a cannon. I've never seen a guy turned a corner that fast and hit the sideline and everybody on the field beside him. Look like they were running in quicksand. Well, almost ten minutes bringing up father. So I'm going to bring them up now in the in the in the Orange Bowl that year Notre Dame, Colorado. This was not the rocket Israel return. It was called back the next year because dad wanting to phone that flag, but the year before which is a game that Notre Dame won and defeated number one, Colorado. Dad's always asked when he talked to touchdown club's the best athlete you're on the field with. And he always says there was only one time that the entire crew got completely turned around like got behind the play. And it was a toss week two rocket Israel, and they just weren't prepared for his speed because there's a rhythm to officiating. Just like there is to play in a football game. And he turned the corner on a toss. And everybody's kind of like, okay. This is the play. And next thing, you know, he was gone and no one on the field like everybody got completely turned around. But he's he's never seen anyone go from zero to one hundred like he did. And I'm glad to lease name covered the game. When he broke out which was the early season may have been been an opener against Michigan any return to kicks for touchdowns. And it was just. It was electric not only what he did. But the impact he had on the entire sport. Just with that early season performance. Jake. Ethic. Name in college football recent history rocket. Yeah. Good point good point. And as we are saying well well deserved. I do want to mention Rickey Dixon who is suffering from L S. And this is this to godson that he has been named in. And you know, when he can enjoy it so shout out Rickey Dixon, and I know everybody Oklahoma is thrilled that he's being honored. Jake. Is there any by the way phenomenal safety for Oklahoma back in the mid to late eighties? Talks about Tony Casillas, Brian Bosworth, but Rickey Dixon was right there. In a big reason, why Oklahoma was so dominant there at the end the very Switzer's tenure. Absolutely. That's right. When I broke into covering college football. And he was he was a magnificent player. Josh informs me and my ear that Troy Paula Molly was not a linebacker. USA? So, you know, okay, we're rights what I'm here for fat. Leave it to the Syracuse grad. Three Pinocchio 's Nelson wanna point out that. Ryan you set so the Goodyear blimp. Got in does that mean that les miles could get in for his role in Dr Pepper and dosekun commercials before he does as a coach. If Larry Culpepper doesn't go out. Pepper alive and feels that way to do. And you know, I I did want to talk about Vince young career as a is a linebacker. Also. Time to that. We don't move I show. Winning games. This time of year is a tough job that doesn't get easier when it comes to tough car repairs. Autozone. Makes it easy with their free loan tool program to over one hundred specialty tools to help you get the job done right deposit required. All right. Well, as promised we wanted to take a look back at the twenty eighteenth season, and we're going to do. So by just recounting some of our favorite moments memories of what transpired over the course of the season. Even though it began with Alabama number one Clinton number two and finished with them in the championship game and Clinton number one in Alabama number two lot to remember happened in between let's start with our our biggest surprise Jake who was out there that really shocked you and in twenty eighteen I thought honestly, Ivan Clinton. Rowdy Alabama the way that they did. I mean, I know that's a little bit of recency bias. But. To me that was that was the biggest surprise I thought Clinton had a chance to win. But I did not think they were going to Keio Alabama at halftime. Which is exactly what happened. I agree. I'm on my vote as well. Ceelo your biggest surprise. Mine wasn't a game. It was what happened at Miami. I spent I don't know a couple of hours with Mark Rick last spring down there and. I just did not see any way, shape or form the bottom falling out the way it did. And certainly him step away. They recruiting great. They'd won ten games year. Before granted the season did not in great form in two thousand seventeen. They lost three in a row, but they did win ten games first time and gosh, a long time, but the recruiting, and it was going great and into see them just sort of to sit unravel form and him step away this year. I really did not see that coming. And I know he was happy. He loves living down near. But I know this about Mark richt. And I think you guys all knew him as well. If if his heart wasn't in it he felt like he couldn't do his alma mater Justice that he was going to step away. And I think they would just some decisions he was going to have to make their he just didn't wanna make had the stomach tomat- year ago at this time. I just did not see this coming at all. That's a great point. You think he'll be back coaching? Anyway, you know, what if it's right Mark still relatively young young man in Mark is such a strong man of faith that if he feels like there's a place that needs him that he fits I think he will. But he's got a he's got a big family, and he really enjoys spending time with his family, and it would have to be. I think the right place for more. I think we might seem. We'll TV I come turn while while he's and don't and don't forget. And this is no inside information. I'm just speculating, but don't forget the the conference where he just made his living for a couple of years is starting its own network. This fall, it's a I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see him all the set somewhere into keys TV. He's a TV insider. So yeah. When they when they when they don't change my keycard lock me out. I haven't side. And bring your playbook. Ryan who is your biggest surprise biggest surprise for me was the list of teams who were terrible and a lot. And a couple of those teams were teams that have made gigantic coaching changes. You know, I spent time out just all chip Kelly out in Santa Clara aspect town with him back in July's. He was getting ready for this year. And I think everyone agreed that UCLA had some work to do. But I don't think anyone saw the fact that they were going to start the years one of the worst looking teams in the country. And certainly I don't think anyone believes that Nebraska was going to be as bad as they were. Now those teams if you were watching certainly improved a lot over the last month to the regular season. But you know, I would throw I didn't expect for Arkansas to be that awful. I still think they're going to be okay. But I just don't think that I understood how bear the covered was and this places, and then I would throw Louisville. In there and throw North Carolina in there. I was surprised at the teams who weren't bad in the recent past or had just made because change just how awful they were. And and you know, those last couple teams I listed. They did not improve it in the year. And that's why they have new coaches. That is true. Boy, it turns in a hurry, doesn't it. I mean, the guys the teams you you know, you guys listed Miami. Louisville North Carolina. I mean, North Carolina pushed Clinton to the brink in an ACC championship game. This what three years ago? Yeah. Yeah. Was genius. Louisville door was a genius in this year. He he was not a lot of people were saying that he was genius. No. Let's flip it biggest not surprise. Obviously to me. Anyway, I say obviously to me it's Bama and Clinton running the. Over the course of the season getting to kickoff to where we you know, we went the biggest surprise was the result of that game. The biggest surprise was the fact that they got their see low how about you. Well, same for me that the two best teams in the country. You'd ask me and rarely can I say this in thirty plus years in this business if you'd asked me back in August who's gonna play for the national championship. These two teams picked I mean, you look at the way they've recruited whether develop players. The number of draft picks. I don't know how many draft picks you think vitual draft picks in that play in that game. The other night thirty five forty the only game that might come close to that recent memory for me was that LSU Alabama game two thousand eleven I think they were forty two draft picks eventual draft picks you actually played in a game. I would think that that game the other night might rival that so I mean completely right point. Just the guys are gonna be like top five top ten picks all the first rounders first day picks, exactly. No, I know Trevor Lawrence, obviously in two years will you know, we're going to be looking back at a great career. You know, one of the great linebackers. I think in no way that was just played quarterback. Tackles Jake here. Biggest not surprise. Clips in Alabama part four, and I'm gonna steal a walk on question from our friend Scott pine who said that react when it's all said and done, and this might be a question for McGee because he knows he seems like a Star Wars. Geek, but more Star Wars episodes or Alabama Clinton matchups in the playoffs. When it's all said and done. What are we at nine Star Wars Episode technically start for George Lucas has our parent company. Disney declared at there'll be anymore. I don't think. So I think this is it right? But we like one. Yeah. We got Han solo does that count is the Star Wars. Cutting back there definitely in that. And I do all the answers to all these questions. And now I feel like I'm just playing right into your traffic. Yes. In the trap. Now. There's a. There's one more. There's one more coming next Christmas. So, but yes, so the answer to your question is no there will be more stores movies than close out at some point. This will end, but Star Wars will not end that they will not end which might be the biggest not surprise Ryan. You've brought up, but I will give you the floor. I may or may not while we're Santa Clara, gone stare creepy. Lena, George Lucas house. In the bay area. And I'm just going to add to it. The biggest surprise to me was. I mean, I'll be honest. I did not expect Clemson to be Nash champs. You game this year? I certainly don't expect him to win the national championship game this year. But the biggest non surprise to me was that we spent the entire year talking about Alabama into and within the framework of trying to compare them to the greatest ever. And who did that? Well, yeah. And typically happens with these things, I think about UNLV basketball. And I think about the patriots when they were undefeated in the regular south think about a lot of these teams where we did this and almost every single time once they got to the title game, they were defeat burden to carry over once again, the media ruined everything I will tell the story that that I have told to a lot of you because you know, it's a window into our business, and I just never brought it up on the show. But. I did that piece at midseason as is album will integrate teams ever and went our beloved editor. David Duffy came to me and asked me to do it. I said well and it was like four weeks into the season. And I said why don't we let them play out the year before we make that declaration? And he laughed and said, yeah, he said he laughs at no. And I was serious and he had to ask me three times in the third time. He asked me I realize, oh, he's telling me to do the story which was such a big hit going into Nick savings office and asking him that question. It was hard to take the notes because I was she in armor. But you know, Nick, I think he's sprained an eye rolling is is is I asked, but he did answer him. He loved that stuff. Yeah. He does. He's just nothing was. Yeah. Okay. Breakout star the twenty eighteen season. I'm going to go with Rondell. More comes in motion. They will handed to hand on speed sweet Rondell more being chased as he tries to speak. Down. Do that's from ESPN radio Rondell more the freshman breakout? Start Purdue what a incredible performance against Ohio State in the game that really get the buckeyes out of the playoff. So a well deserved to me. Breakout star Jake who do you have? I'm going garter Minhsiu from Washington state second nine twenty two left hashish snapback mints Utah's his at center field. What's the? Pollution's gonna three forty left in the fourth. It's thirty three twenty two. It was the Washington state. I m g sports network with the call their Menchu started his career guys at northwest, Mississippi community, college was a part time starter at East Carolina. He goes to was for one year and finishes fifth in Heisman Trophy voting. That's pretty remarkable. And no one had more fun than that, dude. Like, it was totally embraced. The mustache all it came with it. That's a great point. And we should point out Washington state finish tenth in the final poll. I believe in they were the highest ranked Pac twelve team, which is a rare occurrence so hat tip to cougs. Ryan who is your breakout star? Ma breakout star was a guy that we just saw on Monday night, Alabama crowding alive their left end of the line. They might. Tight ends over there. Pressure warrant sought his back foot. Wide open. Going to school near midfield. I think he was shocked to find out. There were the Alabama defenders around him another long touchdown for Clemson seventy four yards. Yeah. The receiver was shocked at clearly so is buddy show. Mcdonagh from east radio. There were no Alabama defenders there. But I listen I wrote this column will Monday night after the game. And I thank you very much in a lead it with these people have been trying to tell us that Trevor Lawrence was this good in. This goes all the way back to ceelo when he was a middle schooler in east Tennessee, and they're still very bitter people there that they moved away somewhere else. But this is the guy that at high school won a couple of state titles broke all shown Watson's passing records in Georgia own signing day. Everyone's telling us best pure talent. We've seen in forever. And we've all heard all that so much that it's just kind of whatever. Was at South Carolina Clemson game. And he was in a in a win. He was overshadowed by the quarterback. Jake Bentley from South Carolina because the numbers are so ridiculous. But everybody kept telling me me, so good. He so good. He's so good. And on Monday night. He announced that he is. Indeed that good. And so as a result he likes to play very low key. But he will not be able to do that in twenty nineteen because I already hear the printing presses with him on the cover of every preseason magazine in the world leading into the twenty nineteen season. So that was he showed up on the national stage on Monday night in the biggest way possible. And that's where orange just not the right shade. Right mcgee. There's still all I'm telling you the family still they told me the families still receives the occasional not so pleasant letter from from east, Tennessee area codes. I I'm just surprised that you're gonna see fans that kind of stuff that. Unbelievable. Right. I know. The difference. Well. I thought what was interesting is. Again, it's what we were talking about earlier with Alabama and carrying that mantle all year to think via Loa dealt with that, you know, the pressure in the spotlight all year, and and we get to the end of the season and who's playing better. So and it was Trevor Lawrence. So that was certainly he is certainly a breakout star see low who is yours. Well, I'm an old school. I like the big guys up front and Quinton Williams Alabama the big nose guard for the crimson tide. If he comes out, which he probably will maybe one of the top two picks in the draft. And you look at sort of all the great defensive players. They've had it Alabama over the last few years. He really was not a guy coming into this season was on everybody's radar, but he was a dominant dominant player for them this year all year long and in a year when they lost. They lost best pass rusher. In the preseason Lewis. He was really the enforcer in the middle of that defensive line guy that. Will play a long long time fail. Just an absolute peace. But he would be my guy the way he played and the impact he had for them. Okay. Let's move to the best game of the year. I'm going with the game from early December the remarkable comeback Alabama over Georgia final place. Three seconds to go the game defensive Finley here strong. He'll backpedal he's on depression. He got away from the pretty close towards us on fifteen players. Way. For this university. And for his team this championship, his Jalen hurts, a young man from channel view, Texas who has come off the bench and as a game lead the crimson tide to an appearance in the national championship playoffs. What's up all game? What's up all game? Yeah. Of course, that's the one and only gold from the crimson tide sports network. My memory of that game is is the interview on the field afterwards with Jalen when the cameras went to him. And they thought he was going to say I'm going to DisneyWorld and he said, I'm going to Maryland. No, I'm going to let we actually don't know where Joe and hurts us going yet. But I just love that game for the the drama and the comeback in the the the crazy fake punt callback, Kirby smart. There was just so much to it with so much at stake. Ceelo what was your best game? Okay. I have in mind was actually a basketball game. Believe this after Kallen Kallen rolls to his right kellyn stops. Fires back over the middle. Here's. Seventy four seventy two seven, oh tease. Here's your rivalry. What a game. I tell you. What if you? If you're an early to bed kind of guy. This was not sure game because it just went on forever. Just one turn. And twist after another. I know some people don't like the college overtime system. Excuse me. I've in my buddy Ivan would be included in that group. But it probably is too long for a game to go on guys, you know, the risk of injury. But just to sit there I I was actually on the road. Watching that game. And just sitting on the edge of my seat the whole time because you just kept it kept pulling you in all the different things that happened in that game. But that's one of those that you won't forget. And I guarantee you anybody in the stadium. Anybody on either side of the football field that night won't forget that game was the Texas sports network from learfield. And I you know, a basketball game would end with a two point play. I think it's only fair to point out. Ryan your best game. Yeah. Yeah. You guys are cracking me up with your basketball games. I got the basketball game, and it was actually at a basketball school. And I'm going to go back to the first couple of weeks of the season. Final score. Davidson ninety one Guilford college sixty one. And so I was not at this game. It was a game. That was a Senator don't have a highlight of this one listener sorry. Yeah. They exist. Josh too lazy? Plus a poor play by play guy. I think is still in traction would think so. But I so I was not at the game. I live in the Charlotte area. I'll have thirty minutes from Davidson that game was moved from Saturday to Thursday because of hurricanes, and I did go up to campus the Sunday after that game, and it has become here in Charlotte. Like what stock everyone claims there were there in the reality. Is there were about eight hundred people who were there. But it was it was the game that broke all of the NC double A offense of records. Although officially the double A will not allow that game to break those records because it was a cross division game. Fs Davidson is a non scholarship FCS program in Guilford college division to program, but both of those factories they actually division three in the deck up. I'm sorry. It's non it's non scholarship football. But because they. They are cross division teams. The NCAA finicky rule. Book will not give them credit for all the combined records that they broke. But the best part was I went up to campus on Sunday talk to the coach and quarterback from Davidson talked to guys at Guilford on the phone, and they had a very good attitude about it. But there was an oaktree of you know, several hundred years old had fallen because of the hurricane into the stadium. And when I got there the guys from the physical plan at Davidson had the chainsaw out. We're cutting the tree up in the galaxy me and he goes that game even war this tree out. That's true. That's terrific. Jake your best game. Yes. So our colleague David Hale a couple of weeks ago, he ranked top fifteen games football season. And just underscore. How crazy the big twelve was this year? I was at game number nine which was a US for Jinya game number eight which was Red River part one game number six which was bedlam game number and game number three which was West Virginia, Texas, and I think of all the games I was at this year that one was the craziest west Virginia's scores at the end with about no time remaining, and they go for two in the win and will Greer scores on the third iteration of this play because Tom hermit had called time ally kept running the same play over and over again, which had different RPO options. He scores. Those the horns down Tom permit says afterward that should have been a penalty the place that have been the gated and later on in the year. Another one of these top games, I was at West Virginia, Oklahoma state, they? Call a play at the goal line, which was the same one. And they signaled it in with horns down as a mosh to the the Texas when it was it was a it was a nutty year in the big twelve in terms of last-second, finishes and West Virginia Texas in week. Ten was number one for me. Let's go again as we wrap up the twenty eighteen season. Don't know why. I'm resetting a podcast. It's not a radio people didn't just tune in. All right. We'll be back after these. Through these messages. My least favorite moments of the twenty eighteen season to me happened actually before the season late in the summer, the head coach ultimately responsible for everybody's behavior. And that's a very difficult thing to do we all know that. However there were red flags, and I wish I had known. I wish I did a better job of finding things out wish I was told more things, but ultimately, and that's part of the job that you're responsible representatives incredible university and man. I wish I'd done more. I wish I know more. That was of course, former Ohio State coach urban Meyer apologizing on August twenty second at a news conference it Ohio State for his fumbling of an answer regarding former assistant Zack Smith at big ten media day, of course, the resulting punishment. He had for dissembling. I guess is the polite way of his answer was he was suspended for three games. He missed August preseason. And I think he'll have state paid a price for it. That team did not quite click on all cylinders and a lot of people believe, and I'm one of them that. His absence from that team made a difference in just enough of a difference that they weren't as good as they might have been Ryan, what was your least favorite moment. That is funny. We we all send are listed right to producer Josh separately. And I had a feeling that that I would not be the only one that sent this in and the reasons because it ended up over shadowing. I mean, I it's. Yeah. Now that we played the championship game. And all that. It's it's easy to say all this happened this season, whatever. But this dominated everything that we talked about you back and listen to this podcast, and it just it just dragged everything down and that was everywhere little own Columbus. And you're exactly right. You know, I'll tell the store all the time. Simon was to go to Columbus for no reason. Other than to bird dog urban and follow him around is first game back though is the terrain game. And even then everyone in Columbus kinda wanted to get on with their lives the fans tailgating team, whatever. And when I got on the plane the next morning Lyn Columbus was like this is not going away. And obviously did not and ended up costing you. Really? Shorten Overmars coaching career. And so I believe that that was it because it's just starting that day or certainly in a few days later that became the dark cloud that just sat over college football throughout and even even even when we thought it was over the people involved with jump on Twitter, and they would not let it in. No, no, it was it was one of those deals where people just divided up immediately, Jake. What was your favorite moment? Same. Yep. I don't know what else to really say about it. I'm sorry. Go ahead. I don't have anything else to say go ahead. Well, mine was seeing a guy that. Had been such a big part of just a great run. Seeing McKenzie Milton go down that awful leg injury. Yeah. And. Yeah. Banter back and forth about the national Chaim shipping. Th this is a team in the program for two years till the ballgame went, unbeaten and he was such a big part of this year. What they what they did in to see him go down like that in that manner was just I think all speak for all of your stomach turn your stomach, and certainly hope parade that he continues to recover and come back. But that that would be right there at the top for me. I think we're all swimming. He will if he comes back it'll be the twenty twenty season. But right that was the degree of damage done to his his leg. But crazy. But you're right. We are all pulling for McKenzie Milton get back to UCF, and whatever fashion he wants. Okay. So let's after. After doing lease face. Everybody. Okay. Well, I just wanted to do it. I want to end with a floor. So we now we'll go to favorite moment. My favorite moment. Jake may sound a little familiar. To pass. Hitter. Sir. He don't her time. That of course, was Oklahoma's overtime win over West Point. That's right. One of the great stories of the twenty eighteen season was the return of army football to not only relevance. But but tremendous success let me finish the season. I think ranked nineteenth with the highest ranking and twenty two years and just a lot of fun to anytime. You can cheer on army football too as they succeed is a lot of fun. So that that was clearly my favorite moment. Even though they lost. But they pushed Oklahoma to the limit Jake about you. Yes. So I have something similar that weekend. I was actually in Morgantown reporting on the story that I would later ride on moonshine, and I was driving back from the stadium to my hotel, which is about an hour away at Cumberland, Maryland, and I was listening to this. Oh you army game. I'd like Rick. It up on my phone. I was listening to that broadcasts. Toby Roland calling the game. And I was like couldn't believe like, oh, you is going to lose two army. And of course, you won in overtime with a comeback at one point in the fourth quarter. Kyla Maria taken twenty two snaps the entire game which is Beijing considering naked up into the hundreds sometime but after the game army players were running to the locker room running off the field. And they got a standing ovation from the crowd there. That's how much stack that that. Army team won over in in in the stadium on the road that night and then army obviously went onto a fabulous season with five into against teams. That won the winter winnable games this year and one of the most games in school history. And by the way, effectively ended the major Applewhite Aaron Houston by just obliterating the Cougars in a bowl game. So an unbelievable season by Jeff monk in. And and the the army black knights. I'm sure there's a really bad metaphor could make about you know, army and the Blida rating, but I'm not going to do that. Ryan, what was your favorite moment? Well, the Senate was there I stopped it stopped it about right here. Well, I've already as I will tend to do I've already angered the entire Ohio State fan base. I'm just gonna keep rolling with that. As I remember the night Purdue rolled over the buckeyes trips to the right hand side Haskins. They're not going to take the stand three to one. This is over. Swerving. The field across stadium is the makers knock off the Ohio State. Walk is. One a site here at Ross aid. And that was a pretty Boilermakers network from learfield. But that was that night was not so much about the final score. And the fact that it shocked nation in prime time on Thursday night. But it also brought to light the story of Tyler trip and into me that was the importance of the game. And I think even Ohio State fans should be willing to admit that I thought that the crew that night did such a phenomenal job of following Tyler in the stadium. Re his emotion reacting to what he was seeing the crowd react into his reaction. And then, of course, that led us to a night that we've talked about here recently on this podcast. I've in which was you know, the college football awards were just a few weeks ago that was Tyler Transnet. And fortunately Tyler transfused will was just twenty four hours ago is we record this podcast. But what an unbelievable story and to me for all the wins and the losses and the scandals and the trophies and the transfers and all that stuff the money in the end, it's still this game is about a team and the colors that you wear and how that connects with your life and to me, that's the Tyler transducer. And that was the night that due to an incredible upset that no one's all coming. That's the night that the nation was introduced to this kid and and followed his life right up until. The end the his statement in his column in Indianapolis star. You know, I'm in hospice. But when you think about it, we're all in hospice, we we all come to the same fate. But just was this so much wisdom in that and to and he obtained it in the worst way possible, but he gave it to all of us. And and just a remarkable young, man. I'm really glad you brought him up. Ceelo. How about you? Yeah. I want to echo what Ryan said Tyler trying to think without question was blessing to all this year. And really doesn't of ways put him is what college football is. And should be mine's very similar on. Maybe a smaller stage. I know that those of us who've been in the business a long time get a little bit jaded. In sometimes. Instead of what's good about college football. We get hung up on what's not so good. And sometimes the CD Sada college football. But I had a chance to season this year to get to know a family the family Joshua, the former office of line coach at Austin P and his wife Kristen their youngest daughter Landry has a rare gene mutation. She's one of I think four or five documented cases in the world. There's no known cure. But to see the way the college football world rally around him. I mean fans from Georgia, Texas, Colorado, the Brassica Tennessee contribute money to this fund because they'd spent pretty much everything they own or they have because there's really no known cure everything so experimental on trying to on her care trying to find out ways that they could address this and just to see that too outpouring of support. Was unbelievable heart warming. And it you talk about a blessing to be able to go there and spend time had a chance the honor to share their story with the SPN to spend a day with him. And just see the way they went about their everyday business. The way Josh show. It was so steadfast and coaching at team and the way those kids on that Austin P team interacted with her was it was great into me. Again, it just personifies everything that college football should be about tell you story, you know, all the people that were donating money and Kristen Josh was wife told me this story their kids at Austin P team that weren't even on scholarship kids were would walk on that would come up to Josh for a will Healy the former coach Austin P and say coach, here's twenty dollars. Here's fifty dollars. Can you give this, you know, I want to to donate this to Josh Kristen, I mean that when Kristen told me that. All she can do not to break down. But to me again, that's the essence of what the sports supposed to be about. Really glad you brought that story up in that you found that story in in. Brought it to all of us. That's the best part of what we're able to do. In in. Why we're in this business? The other reason wearing this business is to keep an eye on the off season. And what's going to happen in twenty nineteen? That was a seamless transition. So as we wrap up our year in what we're going to keep an eye on in the offseason. I'm looking and we talked about the transition and the Georgia staff at the top of the show. Neglected to bring up the Michigan staff, they both Greg Madison and L Washington two of the defensive coaches headed to a high state. I looks like it's a. It's a transition time at Michigan and a big season coming up for Jim Harbaugh. And of course, as long as you're talking about staff transition, what would off-season be if Nick Sabin wasn't hiring a lot of new assistance. And we know he needs an offensive coordinator. Be interesting to see after that performance. Monday night weather. He does anything with his defensive staff. But that's what I'll be keeping an eye on Jake. How about you? Eleven to stay in the big ten, and I think they'll be a story on ESPN dot com today if not already about Justin fields applying for a waiver to play meet lean twenty nineteen. I think if he is eligible that makes highest state of really interesting team for next season. And really you're looking at this Alabama. Clemson hold that they have on college football right now. I think if anybody is capable of maybe wedging in there a guy with that kind of talent. Remember, he was according to our rankings ahead of Trevor Lawrence in the SPN three hundred laugh this this fast. What? Franking might not have been exactly accurate, but. Listen, I just go. I I didn't scout him. But listen, he this got a lot of talent. And I think with Ohio State. Has coming back. They have a chance to be a pretty interesting team. Knicks. You know? Yeah. I didn't I didn't mean to befuddle you, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Trevor Lawrence turned out to be good. Ryan how about you? What are you going to keep an eye on this off season? Well, I was gonna say I was gonna keep an eye out for villagers in game that which comes out in in April. But because of Jake making fun of early I'm going to say what I'm most looking forward to is this. We get ready for stalwarts episode nine which is on the nineteenth. Just write that down there. Jake marvel to right. Yeah. We saw which we saw sneak preview during the money national championship game. So clearly not the only nerd that watches college football. I was I was wanting to captain America tie at that game. So clearly, I'm not the only nerd who. Also, watches college football beating drum baby. Yeah. Well, here's people always say that because Martin wear like, captain, America's shirts, and all I just full disclosure. I wore that long before it had anything. So. Yeah. Stalwarts phone cases phone before it became a company phone. That's great. See what are you going to keep an Allen this offseason? Well, we mentioned it briefly in Michigan. We've seen some coaches leave there. What about the head guy, and as long as horrible as Ed Michigan just going to be NFL chatter, and that's probably something we're gonna know pretty quickly. But his name continues to pop up with the dolphins. I know he said he's there for the long run. He's not leaving Michigan. But clearly there's interest in him to some degree and then fail, and I think that's the one certainly of the next week or so that I'll be watching very closely. Well, hey, if you keep losing to how state the Michigan fans are gonna start mailing his resumes NFL teams, and as we've seen you can you can lose games and be hired as an NFL head coach which brings us to where we started this show when we come back. We will have your walk on questions for the last time. And the twenty eighteen season. But I it's crunch time in college football land and winning games. This time of year is a tough job one. That's not getting easier anytime soon, especially since they're not playing since August. 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I one we got is from preferred walk on Kelvin Corbin. Kelvin is at its absolute zero very interesting question for you Ryan Kelvin says I was thinking about all the teams that were in the conversation for greatest team ever. But then lost the national championship game. Among the teams that have lost the natty since the BCS era began which one of those is the greatest is at this year's Alabama squad that oh five oh six USC team. Oh, two three Miami. Or somebody else that you can think of well, my initial reaction was to three Miami. And for folks that don't remember that's Ken Dorsey, Willis, mcgahee, Kellen Winslow. I mean, those guys own offense and. It was just the team was so ridiculously loaded. But I keep going back to always have gone back to that. Oh, six oh, seven USC team because oh five oh six. I'm sorry. Oh, five oh, six five of six USC team. And it's the roster so insane. But then I don't know. I just to me that was the team that I think that will look back twenty five years now and go what what what was happening here because it just to me it kind of sums up that entire USC experience. Which is I look back now. And I don't understand how that team didn't just whenever national championship forever. But it was they were so good for so long. And then had that one night and lost. Obviously. I mean, arguably the greatest game in the history college football. So if you'll lose one that's the one to lose. I can't remember a team that dominated the news. The the new. Cycle so much dominated the draft dominated Heisman Trophy award. And I think that you'll look back years now people just assume they won the national championship in the reality is they did not. So that's the one. We all soom they want it before that game as our call. I would agree with you. But I I would throw in the seventy three Alabama team which lost Notre Dame twenty four twenty three on incredible in game. Play by Notre Dame throwing out of its own in zone to make a first down. But yeah, good say this to the USC team does not have the ability to claim national championship. And I have seen Danny Ford. Seventy three national champs. Yeah. So at least down there, they they have a trophy. So they wanna coaches poll, you're right. That was the last year the coaches voted before the bowls Dan four last week because I was writing a story about Clemson this new Clemson, Alabama or our and he joked with me said, yeah, he said, I have a seventy three he was an assistant coach on seventy three seventy three Shamsher ring. He said I used to wear it along with my eighty one ring from Clemson. And he and I had to quit wearing the seventy three ring because people Clemson they to look at anymore. Once they started playing Alabama every year. But the always I even know that so yeah. But the US team is just I mean in the games they won that year. I mean, it was sixty three seventeen seventy seventeen forty five thirteen every score looked just like that. In fact, they had beaten UCLA that I think might have been a top ten team by forty seven point sixty six twenty four. Yeah. Out of game. Yeah. Yeah. Of course, you did you covered all the games that we've talked about today. And of course, that was the Bush pushier. This covered that game. What? Yeah. See that have just gonna keep going learn insane year. And that if he does so many ranked teams then I mean, again, if you're gonna lose lose the greatest game ever played. But but the fact that they did not just role in that game still off it. We can't believe seventeen twenty seventeen UCF is offended by your answer McGee. Yeah. Well, everything I say anyway now, that's good. That was good point. And Texas USC game. I covered that game. I'm gonna -ssume that you covered all of them. The by the way, I think we've figured out to going back to the early show. Three of the four of us were at that. Notre Dame to see game in nineteen ninety. So Jake quit slacken. I wouldn't even like born night. Yes. Ceelo. You're you're up next moving on. We got this question from Tyler enrich at a gripper four seventy six ceelo. What if I told you that you had the opportunity to come up with the next thirty for thirty documentary? What do you think would make for the more compelling film, a story about Alabama's dynasty as a whole or the creation of the Alabama? Clemson rivalry. It's the ladder for me because think back to when Alabama had one three or four championships. They wanted to do nine one thousand seven one thousand twelve at that point. That was when he was just getting started his first years of full time head coach was two thousand nine and we all have short memories, and I can promise you Davos does because I've talked about this. But at that point with the narrative wasn't Clemson. They couldn't beat South Carolina. Steve Spurrier, South Carolina's spirit of won five straight. Over over dabble in Clemson, his first five games against South Carolina. He lost. Now. We don't remember that now. But the way this robbery has morphed into what it is now from there and Clemson continued to stay the course underhand Davos, just continue to recruit and develop and surround himself with great coaches. I think it's the way this robbery 'cause we know what savings don't in Alabama and just how unbelievable they've been. But the way this robbery really sort of anybody in nine ten eleven twelve thirteen would've thought that this would become the robbery and has well, guess what? When Clemson lost the national championship game to Alabama two thousand fifteen the first time they played. Look at what they've done since that game since that, boss. Clemson is forty one in three overall fifteen to one against ranked opponents that includes two in Alabama and Auburn wins over Ohio State and Notre Dame. That's good. A stretches anybody in the last four years, and I know Davos says it's not a dynasty there. Long way from dynasty and only dynasties what Alabama's done, but this robbery guys in the way that Clemson recruited. Jackson ross. I think you're gonna hear that phrase launch to Ross bunch over the next two years. And that's the thing. It's for at least two more years because those kids are only freshmen this robberies here to stay. And I think it's only gonna get better. And by the way, I love Dabo on the stage while we're all feel he's on the stage. Monday night going we've built something here. This is not going anywhere. This is it and twelve hours later. He's like this not dynasty, though. It's not what is not. Like dude that was funny. Ivan your next this one from James Joyner and other preferred walk on at Dr J Joyner says the bulls or the main evidence we have for the Mike conference can beat your conference debates, but how useful are those comparisons in reality for non-playoff bowls. They're essentially a new season with different players, and sometimes even different coaches. Well, those. That debate. I always thought that bowl records as as a measuring stick conferences was ridiculous. And I think it's even more. So now, not only for the reasons that that you point out, but they're more different players. Now is guys begin to hold themselves out. So, but yeah, the idea that that bowl schedules are equitable among, you know. Among the different teams and who they play. There's just no way of predicting. So some teams from some leagues may play harder games than others. I always thought they were just a trifle. To have fun with full disclosure is I'm thinking, I'm not sure I covered the nineteen ninety Notre Dame Tennessee game. I was definitely at the ninety one game. When Notre Dame blew the lead to the vol's may or may not have may not holding in my hand right now a section of turf in that game in a glass jar ripped up out of the field as a college. I think the statute of limitations has expired at the miracle at south bend which telling. Yes, I was there. Definitely remember that. Seven. Yeah. I may or may not still be hung over. This like any time we talk about Tennessee being good. It was like thirty years ago. It works. Finally Jacob close it out this question from the original preferred walk on Jordan p Biscardi, oh, of course, at J P discard. Oh, Jordan says do you agree that the disparity between this year's top two seeds and the numbers three and four squads reinforces the view that expanding. The playoff field is a bad idea. Well, the gap is dramatic. But I don't think it reinforces the view that the playoffs expand it reinforced view. We should go back to the BCS because the gap between two and three is where it's significant. It's not brand Edwards someplace applauding. I brought him over to the. Yeah. He loves the BCS so four and five I think the gap is what negligible if there's any gap at. All right. You know, climate Notre Dame Georgia pretty close. So I think you could still make the case we need expand the playoff. But if you want to use what Clemson and Alabama have become you really should argue in your gets the playoff expanding you really should be just arguing for the BCS because I think it'd be expanded the playoff we'd have more games in the regular season. That would matter we'd have better playoff games in and we'd still get that same spot. But I think it'd be more exciting than it is right now, we're basically every college football semi-final is a route is route city by the second quarter. 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2001 Week 8: Patriots @ Falcons

Patriots Dynasty Podcast

1:39:27 hr | 7 months ago

2001 Week 8: Patriots @ Falcons

"This is Christine Brown. And while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty. You have the choice. Not My sons and of course Michael sometimes say some naughty things trying to be funny but really just being stupid. You still want to listen. Go RIGHT AHEAD. I am not your mother. Just jump right cowboys. All right on to excited you. Hi Welcome to the pages. Is He. Podcast in person pages Dicey podcasts. Are Here in New Hampshire in the sticks of New Hampshire This probably won't be aired at Christmas but it is Christmas for us so we are all together in the same room for the first time in fucking years I would think and I gotta say this really drives home. The point at brought people for Radio. Looking at ugly you. I don't know I miss Mr Melt face routine now but it's better than the fro is not a man and abundance like a man Tony. I certainly didn't know I was GONNA say I didn't know what your parents would. You know. Respect he came with the with the Latte. Famer island got it. Oh so you can turn that into a fro- if you wanted. Oh yes I am. I hate to admit it but it was recently straightening Los Angeles. At least I don't support the rams so out of the play the Super Bowl hangover and I. This is nothing new the Patriots but I heard it. Today is a stat that I heard that I've already told Stephen. But I I need to share with as many people as possible so I heard a stat today. A for James Winston and the Games where he has thrown a his record in he's thrown a near central on the first drive his four and two in those games. Wow that anything's sense. Two things one. You've done it six times this year enough to track it you. He's got a winning record good for him. What about all the other times other times? What what's the record? I don't know whether at eight I think. Like eight and eight. Okay you just lost. But this week to go. He's got time to set this record on. Yeah they're they`re. They're supremely mediocre but he he could join the thirty thirty club too. Yeah where you touchdown thirty. Because he's I think is leading the league both touchdowns and interceptions. Maybe you're not touchdown Jacksonians but top three touchdowns and far and away the Lisa. He'd be the first ever. That's impressive thirty for thirty. He's tied right with the NFL. Record ON PICK SIXES ON PICK. Sixes into season. Yes with the name of you know this Houston Texans Dude. Know you would think. Eli Manning very close but no eight Yes oh one season and I haven't actually looked it up which season it was but it wouldn't surprise me if it was the one we were talking about this week or this year because he threw two against the Patriots in the first time the pats onto Tilana one to Smith. So how is that debate For goats to Addis between Payton Brady going these days. Yeah if Peyton is all hell is tied with jamison any interception category all time. Deng's now that the Black Mark Fisher all right. That's all I wanted to talk about. But I mean we'll stay in the NFC south is at the buccaneers are Yup with the Atlanta Falcons. Going down to the. At L. A. We actually made it halfway through the season. Boys I I was. I didn't think I would have like most of a regular. Nfl season though guys. Laws analyzed all right so we we ate coming into the game pats. Three and four falcons a three and three so the battle of mediocrity in theory at least at this point season the Let's see the Falcons will finish the season Mired in mediocrity finished season seven and nine fourth in the NFC west. So what is he south? You'll agree with me. Fuck all of us in the NFC west Samphran the rams cardinals ole this is pre two thousand two when they shifted everything so we both may be right. I'm not about to look at all man. Am I looking things up again? 'cause I very well. Why would you put Indian the east allowed to Miami in the East? So yeah who would it be in the in the AFC? Would you put if you rely on them? Patriots Bills The Quebec would. Have you want to both New York teams in the same and also she pittsburgh steelers? Yeah yeah next. Closest now be held a rivalry wouldn't have been everybody in the AFC north would think so but the Patriots have owned The steelers over those steelers fans and all that deep down they do but they WANNA admit it pick about like. Oh we'll make the playoffs and then we'll win the first round game and then we'll go to New England and beat the Patriots with the colleges. Like okay you quite crank Yeah so the Falcons would win three in a row after this game. That was the longest winning streak of the season but they would follow that. Losing five of the last six games to finish Out of the playoff hunt will say to be polite head coach Dan Reeves. I'm Dan Reeves Coach for twenty three years. I realize coach now fell off the horse. What what. It was paralyzed skiing. Greg and the guy who played superman I now is being slightly facetious. That guys are I pick. They may be related. We don't know I mean I won't say that I'd like to force a Dan. Reeves played retired against pages. But this is only game doesn't really work. That would have been great though was only game against bell check at least when Belgium patriots even though twenty one once. This is kind towards the end of the the tenure could. He did twelve years of Broncos for the giants and then finished with. Seven years. The Falcons so the only coach till two thousand three hundred eighty one to two thousand three so this is like this twilight era. He Muscle playbill check wheels on the browns. Maybe you would think yeah Although maybe with when he was Defensive Coordinator but so there what three years removed from their super bowl year? You know ninety ninety eight was the dirty fourteen into man. I love that same. Ninety eight. So three years removed Mal Anderson smeal but after that so so they went for that year. And if see champion Smid Super Bowl didn't win it here. They get rocked by somebody broncos. Yep those bad wait. No it was forty nine now. I'm thinking of somebody else right. Sign so fourteen into that year. Ninety eight ninety nine. They're super bowl. Hangover lasted one two years at five and eleven four and twelve and then this year was seven nine before they went. Wow side super bowl. The five wins wins. After I mean I literally recognize nobody on this team having my notes here. I don't recognize buddy. Oh Shit Algae Chrysler and then spotted Mike Vick on the sidelines. The that's literally. How am I thought process? Kobo Defending Asti. Nobody she's broking Keith. Brooking I recognize name but I realized how I mean he was like the early. It's magic because he's white. Thank you greg you also reminds Sean Lee. No he was pretty decent. I mean there's a couple of good guys so I had. He was the only pro bowl on defense sleeper. Hit One hundred. Twenty five tackles at year three and a half sacks two picks two fumble recoveries the guy was an absolute he will basically wasn't events he was a bit of a Sean Lee as the defense as he goes. Defense goes Maybe felt the injury problems The big names ahead. Where Ray Buchanan? Bill AUTOMATIC REMEMBER HIM. He was he number twenty four read. Look it up before this. Because all the Best X. Y. Twenty four exactly Greg. Misery Science Ashley. Ambrose they both they co led the team with five picks And then Patrick Carney. Was the defensive. End led the team with Twelve Saxon. A kind of good little eating guys. Maybe Rabi Canada's rash. Ambrose I don't remember there was nobody offense Shawn Jefferson. Guys Jefferson Vincent Britney Days. He was playing opposite him the Ohio Senate yes yeah because he played for the Patriots. It was ninety six ninety six to ninety nine. Yep before that he was a charger cut such a generic name. Put Two and two together. Well did you know? There's a shaw the guy on lsu right now. Shawn Jefferson Junior his son. Not as you got so excited when I was watching them play that I looked it up and I'm like well just narrow related. That's kind of like we talked about Jim. Mora earlier not sure. If that's like the later Jim Morris son or not. I think we just kind of assumed that they were named the same but we never actually put together. I think it might be my phone is I would go down into law rabbit hole. Bso options and players. Chris Chandler. Who led the team in fumble recoveries with four cool pretty great also not as great since they were his fumbles which he also the team in with eight eight is on band accused? Smith styles pretty pretty stationary. But he actually went a six eight but I remember that some stat in the game. I think I wrote it down of his win loss record when he actually finished the game. It was really good. He just didn't often finish games. So the money's always like constantly injured. This is the quarterback. We're talking about right again. Suited to a super bowl so forget the super bowl right. He also reabsorption. Sides had twenty hundred yards sixteen touchdowns fourteen picks But the bigger story a quarterback for the Falcons year was their first overall draft pick rookie. Michael Vick was he number one overall where women he started going by Mike Vick I dunno it. Was that a thing I mean. We're we're pretty early. No well I think in this podcast. In general we we tend to useful name. So I'm going to call him Michael Vick but he was Michael. You Michael Mellow yes and like. I think it was after prison. Maybe made those prison name. Mike Vick when that switch happened Mike and then he made a statement where he wanted to be known as Michael the respective whether he was when he was hanging out with Mike to Michael around. So maybe I don't know I mean you'd think if you are more respectable you've got Michael. Thank you know what the failing by way one of them likes you know non Tony Dungy. I imagine the the Google results for Mike. Vick would probably not in his famous road networks. Seo Effort into Michael Bacon and they're just like switch to one baby. Nobody will remember if I just slightly tweety are start fresh. Remember what would you? What are you talking about turtle? I think big dog. Maybe something like that that we're talking about a missing don't know. I guess I missed much play. Pc's doesn't get fired later. Whatever you do get Jonas created so at wide receiver. They had four guys who seem to be carbon copies of each other four guys with just about five hundred dollars receiving which is huge mediocre Terrence Mathis who? I recognize the name but couldn't pick his face out of a lineup. Tony Martin The aforementioned Sean Jefferson and Greg Savior Brian Finneran. Because the color of skin come on that I mean your anyway. Yeah this is what we're doing. I mean well. I'm the college failures I. I figured we'd just start something about Gregory. He's the race of the group either. Closed Down my favorite joke is when it gets cold like this. Now you guys are are here in New Hampshire is when it gets down if I turn on. My car says it's zero degrees Fahrenheit. I'll take my wife and I'll say you know what though the weather today. My time at Penn state having common zero degrees. You'd even have the first time which is why keep sending it persistence for sure. They get to zero degrees. The opposite actually will if I'm Steve Touches kids. I also don't condone any of this. I didn't go to Penn State. Andy did I apologize for concentrating new. You might have enabled. His behavior is going on. I was not on a first name. Basis with any of the the Penn State coaching staff. At all no no just sort of didn't even do it. Put that out there. Who didn't do it? Yeah why don't you read the transcript? All right go into this phone call. Perfect ditch key witness all over the Place Candy. Remembers this thing. Remember that thing actually sawing. Well some people have children for the rugged even similar okay. That's a red hot. I did read an article that said that there were some apologists. Whatever you descend. I'm just GONNA clip out the pieces that I like. Say the that's going to be the teaser for the podcast Greg saying article so every let P R one a one little sound Cook Greg. Jerry Sandusky not guilty podcast to find out the witnesses all right greg. Speaking of I can't even I can't tie that in. What are you GonNa talk about the running backs Or try to save kidding betsy. Yeah it's pretty good Yeah algae algae Chrysler who completely year. I feel like he's ancient. Yeah the pats incident. He yes he did. Yeah last four or five years. Let's relatively recent ten years ago. Fuck middle of the dynasty. We'll get down on his way out though we had. He was pretty much done season. And this is his rookie season which means Brady was already a year older than faulk struck me as let's see. Algae crumpled has been there forever. You know I'll be forty. Two is his birthday today. Born December twenty third nineteen seventy seven. Happy Birthday Mom. We're going to dedicate this to him. I'm sure he'll guy I got it no students. I heard somebody should have fun guy. He's the only guy is talking. Steve from two thousand one. If they're talking about is like forty speed though. I don't know if it's like they were like man. He's athletic. He's he ran a four nine years. I'm looking at it and it's like this year's class two thousand nine hundred. No Fan ran like four launches. I was GONNA ask. And he's not no big fast. Fast wants to pull the fourth quarter. Mike Vick was in there and he just looked like today. Speed versus all of you know a superstar gigantic wearing those huge shoulder pads dilemma. Around and Mike. Vick was just Oh. It wasn't a video game consoles. Yeah but no one else's caught him. This is like when you bought madness year. And you weren't allowed to play as the Falcons because it was cheating could do. It was fair because it was absolutely perfectly accurate. It was just unfair to play. He's the same same idea. Oh yeah not as fast but even so quick shift. I think he's quicker than Vick. But not straight-line fat out like breakaways vic is like you get them on a straight line and you just like yeah. It doesn't matter. What does Vick run? I thought with the easy as watching Randy. Moss just outrun. I ready Moss rolling up his hand and yards in front of the the defensive back knowing is going to beat them but he's only he's try jogging past the geysers John Effort into it. I mean it was too because part of like dogs stuff. This is all right but this cover your basis it was. It was a shame that he was always hurt. 'cause I mean he had a great vision to He'd be. Ju can run all over the place by always ended with him breaking a leg or something so it would have been fun to. Kinda see where that would have gone but mahomes is kind of in that skirts. Hori a yeah. I've been saying this about all all those mobile quarterbacks like since. Rg three and that knee injury that he had like ever it. It seems like they light league on fire until that happened last year. And they're managing hand. They're also kind of like running decoys everywhere so I mean it might not work the second year but still feel like every game day. Watch if you if you look at it us at least one hit again. Elite CLUB BY COURT. He dishes that hit the design and the PUCK is not the same. I don't think though Mike Vick this yeah I mean. I guess we'll touch on actually all all the focus is on the roster same guy from having such films as Hankas area or something like that. That's the guy the actor that Randy McCloy I. You thought there was this real name. And he went from the Falcons hot take. I think I'm not sure older the simpsons or a Tom Brady's dynasty the simpsons of there have like forty years just thirty J. Feeley guys dolphins game on the list. Kicker three three player was something I did. No reason. Wasn't he a entering the eagles. Maybe one of the I. I'M NOT GONNA lie. Did no research on Jay feely okay? More ended up being an actor slash comedian after out tasks. 'cause Jay Moore all right before the game. I want to talk about the week leading up to this because I think this was when Terry Glenn. Shit came to a head because literally every He Boston Globe or section. This week leading up to the game was all about busy. Glenn he was fine for not practicing on the day after the previous week's game Lebron last year in the final Maybe the year before but when he's like loses the game and he comes to the thing with a cast on his wrist and his video of him shuts in the locker room before the game. It's like the real. Yeah it feels that way But does actually An article on the Wednesday about Shawn Jefferson. Balking about Terry Glenn was at John was a lumps terry like brother and tried to mentor them when they played together so he said the. Jefferson wanted to show support. He said in that men telling Glen. Get Your Butt to Cam there guys depending on you screw at the media or a bill belichick. Thank get back out there for your teammates. That's fair it is. It happened money thing. That's not a bad. It's how it's handled back then. Sadhana what he's a little bit of a miser he is. Yeah I mean he probably saw the play for right and if you don't this is thousand once you don't have the out of of one. All these ambient chips and you're one Shan like yeah fired into the dog. What what makes you think you do that? You didn't have the respect that this one well and I by the time. This might not be a deal. Bad Guy she's now getting like celebrity from social media. Take man clear your but he isn't whole flu doesn't end the Terry around she album number. White Women's Yes twenty. He's making all the decisions. I'm doing the same. No more than twenty twenty. Did Terry Glenn ever play another? Snap after this cowboys. Jeez ring with. Let's BLERTA parcells. I as a Cherry Glen being a little bitch. We'll McGinnis healthy again. I think the only reason I put that in there is because just to mention the fact that you are t shirt that said silent but violent. Oh we're GONNA make that. We're GONNA sell foulness pages dynasty website. Oh Hell yeah well. We should make it hat. I mean back in two thousand one for me was talking about five. Definitely no What yeah well sound but deadly on that but yeah thanks for being generous charitable Christmas. I was especially as a Hashtag von. Why not ask? Where's the silent coming from? Because he doesn't talk much for a living now. Ironically now. He's posting game. Yeah Right. He's he's decent. See Smith is alleged man see always years like he's off the Kauffman were using tear. He said they were talking about an awesome. Not Thrown open receivers. And he's like you gotta throw the ball when he's butthole acres. I saw an accent. Oh thank you make sense but whole naked now but I don't understand what he meant. I just thirty set it. Yeah I get it I get it you you're you're so naked that you can over in spreadsheets. So people see you butthole. Well why they say that you gotta be you gotTa be bad you gotTa film The ball. He's so they bend over so they can see his grout. I come on. You know he think about this. How how away from other people? Do you have to be to be that comfortable to be naked enough to bend over and you can do that in in a crowd. No problem right in the middle of the state you could evoke and Kitty toucher. But I don't know if I could move. That's what he meant. Can we call them up? I think Jackson's that right in a release. The Kiss Potholes along the way. So he remains name. Lou Touching yes. It was a documentary. This another hot take. Mike said I don't know. Did you read the article said Michael Jackson didn't do it I you know? I don't think he wants to separate children at the same story of him. Poll there but Sheikh's Kiss him on the Bible in the documentary. I'm going on record. You cannot call me the kid dealer when both these guys. Greg defended Jerry Sandusky. And Mike's over here. In Jackson Hole. Bill Cosby is guilty. Yeah he's a piece of Shit But Yeah Michael Jackson. I'm not. I'm not a big fan of that man and he did it. I just don't get symbolic but maybe I didn't watch the documentary stack earnings Google Michael Checks and just make sure your incognito hundred computer yelled yeah. That's that's rob regardless Mo- Jackson piece of Shit. Yes I kept. Try Try to Segue you. Mother fuckers speaking of buttonholes. Okay Dan Neil the offensive lineman for the Denver broncos before broke Brian. Cox's like the Butthole A. Did you hear what good yeah? But he was fined For his block on Bri illegal block on Brian Cox that these commentators in this game. Actually the game are feed. Start a little late so you didn't actually get to catch the first first few drives so I don't know who they were as other fucking terrible commentary from them. I liked volunteers. They were they. Were defending of course chop block block. Maybe why they're calling out terry. Glenn Tribuna Biggie. Biggie bitch like they're like I don't care Terry Glenn their their toll meal the Shawn Jefferson Lines. Say Fuck out your way were yeah. They were defending the chop block. Which is like the most legal thing possibly? Do you think about this chance and think about this. If one of the Patriots plays did you would defend. Andy wasn't hallmark heart right. The CIA blog was. I'm just saying Andy you spins on everything you do well. I'm sorry I'm a fan. Go Fuck me right. Hey regions famished. Fanshawe for fucking fanatic. I'm sorry that I'm fanatically phonetically inclined They also had a good point where Troy Brown should of let a punt bounced in the end zone and fair caught it on the three yard line. Not Quite freak kitchen that and I was like right. There were right. No that was after the trump blocks everything they said was wrong to slow. Cox Basically was like I'm GonNa Mur her that guy. Next time I destroy his family or whatever he said but then. Ej mountain apologize for that growth. My friends so well I have apologize in quotes because he said I need to apologize because in my frustration. I told them I was going to blow out his knee. I don't want to see anybody injured. In that capacity. They have children and other people. They'll talk they're taking care of it. They compared with Terry Glenn to a twelve year old but instead he was worse than Ryan did come on. That's that's awesome. Blackhawks probably deserved. I'm trying to get to the Tigers. The mail out here because I want Greg dirty players and not ski but like similar fiery. I mean good for us but you hate him. And he's on the jobless rate was Rodney Harrison dirty. Okay them as dirty. I think but the comment that he was apologizing for which. We didn't actually touch last week. Because Youtube is you shitting me was wait where we one hundred percent. We got some fine points four and that's just an am. I spent a little bit so we didn't touch on Brian Cox's comments after game was to be honest. I don't care if it takes the rest of my career and if I ever play that guy again he's going to have a blown out knee and I don't care who knows it because he just does that. Sort of expletive all. The Time Cox said his voice along Growl Ooh cuts me like that then has the expletive audacity to ask me if I'm right as all right no I'm not expletive alright towards his mouth. That's what the Boston Globe reported dirty. But I like that. I like that So he kind of walked back now. We lost the for the year right. How's it I'm broken leg? I don't remember again don't so I don't remember playing this year. Who keep seeing all time Matt Stevens Safety. Yeah I don't remember him at all fly because he was guys defense isn't it keeps me eight weeks eight weeks. I was like I don't remember this guy at all seen for a while remember. I haven't seen him wake super warm. Vp Yes mike yes he was. Don't worry I intentionally Israeli our conversation. I mean we have done two minutes of Matt Stevens. Now he's the guy that tweak remember laying down. He jumped at on the guy. He hasn't been good. Let's be surprised just bench. Yes my guess is. He's not hurt. Easy Gottlieb Johnson. Who'LL BE MY GUESS? Third Safety so he comes on sub packages. Yeah I think so. Who's your second season? He was a starter. I remember watching the. Who's your second safety? It says lawyer Milloy into Bosque jaw muscle a year and the week one. He was a starter so he was nickel safety. Nicholson one is the he is when they when they figure starting earlier but I think it was. This is where he starts getting phased out. Yeah he's just listed as defense. Thanks Mary Lee. Blow Generous by talking about the game. I was trying to be turned on me over there. I talked to me about this game. I I will say that it was first. Start for Alcan's that stuck out of me. I have here that the first three Falcon drives netted. I think it was negative in yards. Had Negative six in the ballpark. Yes sounds pretty crazy. Unlike the defense a falls out like I don't think we've necessarily seen that before. The commentators touching on to how they had instead of sitting back in zone coverage and stuff like that they were actually playing a lot. More men blitzing a lot more from spas that the falcons weren't expecting it The commentators showed the Controlling from cover to cover one late which NC a lot more recently now went with this twenty nine hundred defense where they they're hiding something or even last year superbowl. They had kind of almost two calls. Or you see the one shift later. That second look So do a lot of like cover to cover one on one place. They have extra guy in the box and the fuck just had no doubts. When the Falcons pump in crowd noise too you know rise drew but what a tactic I mean. I wish the path that maybe they did but Chris Chandler fully deployed in his own Chris. Chandler the game two is like saying that they were flipping between three four and four. Three seven goes to start of that to reach us. Basically what does this year? Yeah so it's interesting points the WAG. Bring all that up midseason. When you're sort of pain we can do this. You got a game plan for it. Felt like it was. I mean nowadays I. It seems more pronounced but the those first for six weeks of the season or almost like an extended preseason for the Patriots. Were kind of getting everybody on the same page And then once you start getting middle season they they actually start doing some more interesting things like that because everybody saying Beijing. There's so much communication that goes on especially with the offense as well. I think nowadays with the way Brady runs things but the defense especially that there are all kinds of they'll have to be on the same day they'll have to know what the looks are now. I think their their responsibility shifts a lot like even during the play. I remember Gilmore with a bus when we first started. We're like assignments shit on hard. Even a couple of weeks ago I remember seeing some- replay of unimaginable. Kind of play. It was against the cowboys where the cowboys Senegal emotion and they were trying to do something like moving everything to one side but because of the like as the motion was happening the two linebackers where were literally like in real time switching off responsibilities because of the the. I'm assuming because the the offensive play had shifted to. Where the like that need to happen but they did it like instantaneously would know conversation happening like Tai. They knew that as soon as this guy moved over here the entire like defensive responsibilities for everybody change and so like everything just kind of shifted and Dak Prescott had like he thought he had something in completing because every. I think there's a lot of that sort of stuff happening. I think once you get to like you know week. Eight against even what was supposed to be an explosive Falcons Team. All of a sudden you see that all start to click a little bit because they've actually had all this time together one point so like when. I deal more because he had all offseason till I get acclimated whatever. It was a disaster and obviously he's amazing now thing but leasing. The kid is the first check your with the pads. It was like all rookies. New Guys in Lagos kind of this young mess. Thought all these like older guys. So how do you think alike? They rent cly by minutes in where people are just trying to do. When I think it's that's why on the guys that you. They know enough about the technique they got more at the time. But if you have those young guys like they're still learning you know the speed of the NFL like just everything about the new system whereas guys that have been the league. I mean you're talking about is the beginning of this this The season where they didn't just bring in vets they brought in guys who've been leaf like twelve fifteen years so they knew the INS and outs of like football on Sunday so it was a matter of just like making sure. They're all Zane page. I think more than anything. So you can feel more promises that maybe he hadn't been exposed and everybody else on the team. Did this seamless when he wasn't there when he joined like is just to the longtime kinda gauge. That whole is he played five years. Probably they probably just stuck in man in buffalo here. But what if this guy's this you have to you have to recognize this bypass switch off? That's fair true approval but he was just that good which we're seeing now. I also have this the whole Malcolm Butler thing and we were like. Hey why don't they give him the contract? Why are they bringing this guy in? Well I you know I guess that kind of percent Kinu I mean not not Gilmore versus Butler. But I gotta think that Butler better staying here. Then I remember I want. I think he's actually played well in Tennessee from played. Better well He. He had a rough first half of the season when he first went there but then secondhand is he was actually one of the better cornerbacks in the league right. I'm your brother Stan. I Love I love. I still can't wait to find out what happened in the Super Bowl challenge. It's such bullshit that's talked about that but I mean that's always GonNa say well we will get there. In twenty years episodes. We'll eventually get to that one. Frequent play for bad guy would have changed everything but anyway. I'm still pretty soon you too. Yeah we'll get paired. Two jobs man. He had some great years ten picks one year. Thanks for your ballot. Check Socks Luzon too early for too late. Though isn't the most recent I actually saw today. The most recent argument for Bella. Check the The drafter or whatever. You team builder Screwing Bell Jack. The coach was leading Chandler walk though. Yeah he's for three or four sacks away from the the record this that whole thing. We're perfectly though because it's needed to happen for the team to build around like what they had and if you think about it like the the Malcolm Butler year that what you've been play like your. They lost that one but then like we kind of made afforded more. I think so. It's like right like as Belgium would say. Yeah there is doing fine. He's also synthetic we'd like running legs cops like stations. I was awesome. I forgot about that right after. Always not saying about trey flowers trae. Fires hasn't had a big year the same exact thing. Yeah so that's does put you know placed away weird. Yeah I remember love. This game is that it was. It was college year. I've had now. What else is finger my ass right watching the game avenue? Michael Jackson Jerry. Sandusky kids state remember this game the night before it was the first time ever like really dranked and I was hanging out with some some older people at the time. I think I was young young in college. Whatever and so we played like some card games or so. I don't know what it was. Maybe it was. I have no idea. They basically destroyed so funny. I remember I had some assistance walking up stairs. I got through with a bed. It was a great initiation. Drink happens on the northern. There was this game. I remember like like laying down on this like chair. The game was on the background in the announcers. Making me nauseous. Every smell was coming to US throwing up like with every way Patriots. Klay and the I remember that. So I don't know fun memories bad but this was very bigoted we've talked about my members of Penn state or lack thereof so talked about taking off shirt. I mean you already like admitted to not being a part of that whole thing. Allegedly story about it. He didn't drink college. I didn't know me neither really man was your. I like beer. Outside of mom and dad's purview. Probably a sophomore in high school was a really. Yeah for some I smoked weed and drank was the same night glow for house sitting on them and they had a dog and I was so stunned. We gotTA my head so you don't like dogs dogs. A COP mind was with Nick. He liked that a outing. A whole bunch of mother fuckers. I may have to cut this. She assertively this pack. Of course original put underneath the wheelbarrow in his yard warm coors banquet. Do you have any fun? I FOR SOURCE. I fucking no. Yeah 'cause I mean I'm semi blacked out and not realizing that. Oh God remembering last night. You're like yeah yeah and then I actually blacked out and I remember looking expedite set. And being like yeah. I don't remember that at all. My Dad blacking out as soon as he got older better so pretty much. I stay away from the malaise by the next thing. You know you get picked up by route one right up in there. Don't ever drink drink. Don't advertise EP. Probably yeah that's a no now. Make sure you asked before if you're in that situation you said we're call call your mom you take each month if the conversation is because it is in the NFL while PC poorly. I mean he did pretty good herbal speed pro bowl. Tom Brady in this game. How did you think he did well? I didn't watch it so much time. I'm sure to not watch his game for the right there and all Brow Brady he'd them at Alba's lapping it up. He was precise I mean the thing I saw where it was crazy. Game and very embellish. I'm like there's like Brady was actually lights out. There are a lot of great players that were called back for penalties. And it's yeah. It was happening all the time and really commentators to your point on that as well where they're like what the hell is going on. They were pissed linen. Minute has gone by no penalties. Imagine that or do I have the clothes. I wrote them down. It was haven't seen a flag in a minute or two. They're going to eat up. Brel is down there for all the flag fade past came. Falk in the end zone. Yeah greater like who called run the great about play. And that's another thing that he was towing lift so bridging was like kind of like we can have and so they send out by Kevin Faulk wide to isolate him with working in the outside the announcers worldwide again all over much whatever it worked for action but that wasn't a thing to kind of isolate matches like running back in those pretty cool. I don't like the isolation but like a fade route. Kevin Faulk seem weird to me. All you've ever seen that again. I don't remember ever seen Tom Brady. Threw a fade to a running back? He mustn't Sean James White Fade Fade though or was it kind of just like hard like right over the top guys like it's a great bog is five hundred eighty but to their credit. He wasn't even looking so part of the whatever enjoyed about this season. Is I have no recollection of a little bit of a treat so esther I had no idea what to expect. Oh Shit few blackout Mike. We just went over. There is one game this week. Yeah I think. Going to Steve's point it looked like and I think there was something in the paper the day after about how like the offensive game plan was because the corners were so good for the Falcons that they were basically just gonNa give them that and just throw to like back tons a whole game right. I think that was part. Like the Kevin. Faulk touchdown was funny. Is that like in commentators. Pointing out with radio is like picking on Arabia Chan and the whole game you use actually picking review. He was insane at the end of the game. Brady waited for him to like kind of just like congratulate. Really tell them why aged obviously good job or whatever. Even though it wasn't playing was telling. Yeah like two thousand Brady. Confidence is my favorite thing about this. So far he was like I'm normally there was two plays back. The first play was they tried to flee and Brady got sacked. I think he did which is which I don't think I've ever seen in my life. Sack on a flea flicker no maybe a pick or something like that but not sack or even completely ad never. I've never seen anybody sack. But then the next play comes back and throws like a thirty our dime to patent like the next place not even phase that he had sacked on a trick play. He'd do that. That Troy Brown bomb in the second quarter he just hung in there and Gadjah launched it. That's when the real DICK SUCK IN FOR TOM. Brady from the did the announcer army. Darling you let you guys during the Game Vinnie. Though there's a stat where it said something like you'd never miss this point in the Dome up until that point I think it was twenty two twenty two field goals twenty one for twenty one extra points to something like that he didn't miss. It all kept it going. I believe believe you and me read the game where he started missing the first game. He missed a field goal. Endorse you're hung over again. So maybe no I was not now. You're going over at Ryan Stories. They watch it was against the Texans. You want to add no good. Oh and watch the game together though game together. Are you sure you weren't blackout rumor Stories Parties? I I would argue about politics. A you would be hammered if I remember correctly for ten minutes. Are you politics just to get on your nerves? So you want to talk about that Brown touchdown Russia. We're talking about Tom. Brady like this is so there was talk about what to call this play. Michael Smith and the Boston Globe. Og Right in front of the quotas. Immaculate Reception has already taken so rather than violate any unwritten copyright laws. What should pages fans call yesterday's moment of divine intervention at the Georgia? Dome and here are the options the clean the spotless match my personal faves listener or the pure punk rock snatch was a thing back. Then right why snatch was like slaying for your right so he knew about like the spotless Alice Snatch. I feel like it fits this podcast suggestion I. It was a suggestion with a Boston Globe writer while now let me see a clam of spotless. But he threw that into triple coverage. Pick ten times that attend joint off someone throw by Brady competent throw by Brady? The fine line and I felt that Dr Brown actually struggled in this game pretty heavily. I didn't think so. I think you need a few heads. L. Plays there. Were like five or seven I think for like ninety nine yards and a touchdown something like that. Yeah I mean he did his thing but on that play though what was funny is h so brady a pitch it bounces in Detroit around hands. He runs it in for what twenty five thirty yards in touch new destiny fifty yards. Now there's like fifty yards forty five or the plus buffer yards in the back there so he ran in the commentators were going nuts under their pointing out there. Like bledsoe was thinking. Why does that ever happen to me? Which away so many interceptions. But then they close up on his reaction even he can't believe it and it basically lay hands on his head. Bledsoe Josie with body language. Poor Guy Accident Bledsoe's face on that that was all that was gonNA be my best. Actually we didn't talk about it with BLEDSOE'S THOSE FACE GLEN. He's like you gotta doing that. Does a bad throw in triple coverage three guys? There was a double car seat becoming a top linebacker neat. The corner on guides is like what do you do with you? I don't think I've ever seen anything about a gun by yeah poor. Bledsoe van like I think he was a class. Act I mean he was criminalized. A mentor throughout the season. Right and no comment has a lot about that. So good commentators Brady has been opened. I think about like not open but I mean towards talked about how the most helpful guy I think. Yeah from what? I've heard he doesn't like to give up snaps in practice practice and stuff. Yeah because what happened when he got. You didn't exactly is at first hand experience of what happens if you probably to be a really good athlete. Then you gotta to be kind of a prick for lack that he's actually like a fair point. That data rates penalized off. He doesn't have the hugest Dick but enough to like secure aspira right heartache. Brady's Dick Anything else you guys want to talk about in this game is alive. Scott Chandler's face after that third quarter. I drive sack face the way he looked like you can tell. Steve Does recognize guy. 'cause you call them Scott Chandler. Said he didn't get destroyed. Aimed wrote down Scott Chandler Richard Seymour. Got A sack in there. You know originally was the sack was a grown ass. You just remember that locker. Was Chris Chandler. He got sacked six times in like three quarters like he got sacked so much to leave the game. Yeah so he. He left the game walking sideways. And the visual. Yeah anybody wants to look that up in is like anything like exactly wrong with him. But you'll be bent oversight. It's like it's Katy Not. I don't know if there was no like reports on it or anything so I don't. I don't know what it was not the Boston papers. But Look Good Otis Smith later absolute one for another in this game. I mean odor. Smith came in so fast that the commentator actually yelled out watch Kevin Jones had a few good one chandler or Scott. Look like after that first drive sack at. Otis made sure of it. You want to go out especially when people like this is the third quarter and people were like yelling chanting for best when they came in that changed the game. Oh it did well before that I wrote down. This is amazing but why Brady was running the two minute drill and times going off the clock commentators getting a little nervous. He hasn't under casserole. I wrote amazing time management. A she killed everything. Bullet passed the like Mark Edwards. And then like there's about fifteen seconds left on the clock Ball so that's what they were talking about. They're talking about how long the Patriots were like nobody for a long time and then how they were coming a couple of other teams that were no names are coming out of the NFL. I've had it was funny because they were right. But it's sort of like wasn't right for the next twenty years exactly. Yeah also my favorite part of the two minute drill of the end of the half. Was Tom. Brady doing the hard count. Beginning the two minute drills. That was good. Nobody does it anymore again. The commentators are all over. That is a great commentators in this game. They will apply one glaring issue. Feeling this feel all right. Field goal is why left the other announcer Mike Serious? He's like the kicker didn't miss. Why the offense miss one less thing since four yards at one then? We had a good point though every every dumb penalty. It'll fall stars again in five years. Closer doesn't matter. He was furious. Because the kicker's fault to be fair. He missed from fifty eight fifty. So it's not like he was missing chip shot up forty five hundred the facts before we get to mix debut. I think Last pass touchdown where they went up by twenty four to tanner's that where when bit came in it was kind of out of hand. Already or twenty. Four seven was Thuan had a huge stutter. Addendum nothing in the whole second half. And then he had like a fat Ron that he's got a screen pass something because he fumbled early to mark Edwards it to an pointing. That was right before that crazy. Troy Brown touchdown. Yeah that started. It was the same on them. From what their twenty? Two like the fifty he had he had like two or three big runs and drive in. Net. It was the troy route. One seventeen in the second half probably forty of those were in the in the in that wonder I've on Iran catch. And if he doesn't do those and they don't have that thing and that's not twenty four seven one victims and vic change I am. It's funny though because against one Smith was like remaining in the fourth quarter. Was that by managing a field goal. They got into the red zone with Mike. Vick back there and then ran it with a running back three times in a row. So I have I wrote down the stat that Chris Chandler going into this game. He had more touchdowns than lesions in the red zone. The season had four touchdowns in two incompletions is a big finish. The game if he'd finished a game incomes in the fourth quarter maybe comes with that fourth quarter hit that slant right that quick slant at turns into like a six-year gain we're one of the DB's on the Patriots literally like dodged them dodge the guy all Yay Yay dove out. What was this come across some like the boomtown had and I think he by turns of Bangalore just wants to hit some. He doesn't kill anybody literally like goes out of his way to not hit anybody super frustrating. So they're inside the red zone inside the ten I think and then the go Mike Vick back there and they just call three straight running plays the rhinebeck like I don't know maybe you didn't know we ask really right draft guide number one overall. You know you have planned play both like you know what I'm saying. Well they've talked about that how they did like Michael. Vick was still learning the playbook and he was like ways away from big able to run an offense but they're gonNA put him in any. I have here like nasty. Dr Mike Vick thirty five yard run right okay. Then same dry fifteen yard run right then like appearance and then the lawyer. Molloy sax swift crushes get a penalty but they take them down by the face masks head rips it off the Corner. Blissett HIM TO DEATH. They kept bringing the corporates over. No that's how they'd knocked Scott Chandler out of the game was bringing looks just like he couldn't get their suite is reached out with his left. Arm facemask Michael. Vick even outside and that like I I was basically written down. It was like a meal. Meaningless like Antoine Smith like run the fourth. Aw inside like the two minutes killing clock yeah I think it was wiggins why last some dude for a block right so even on offense they were just destroying people. The craziest like blocking tackling like game. I've ever watched it. Maybe Mark Jackson likes screw the penalties. I mean I don't disagree with that. I don't see that even find today's NFL. They've committed to that. I don't know but then again like they can only call so many penalties right at the legion of booms idea well and like the bengals like this year against them like the coach was basically why the wide receivers got manhandled. So I I. It's a little bit of like how they used to play the coal. Yeah so I'm like if you can set the tone early. Maybe it works break will early and they're just not going to try. I probably it probably wouldn't be a good idea to kind of lunged Jack's difference man physical back then. The players do that right. You have players are lying VLADIC. You're not like are going to let you up Brian. True Dont`a hightower wants is probably more than normal but like Jimmy. Johns does not gone and ripping. Someone's off neither those guys Comorans guy though. He's he's a grown man. That guy. That got arm tackles running back. Says he's getting blocked van. We will dish out then. Oil person some heat. I don't know but yeah you're right man. I don't think that would fly. They don't have that like Laura Malloy. Sort of safety is gonNA come up and just try to knock. Somebody's off. Well there is A. There's a moment on like vicks third or fourth drive when he'd been corner blitz to death and they dropped out and like he just did the old. Sam darnold sought ghosts and like saw that? Pass rush through it and like immediately duck and hope the late from them. He plus like he was clearly see in like fracture everywhere. Who's a textbook tabloid? Every time there was a way striving to ground. Yeah that's actually probably actually. I haven't ended on here. Survivor is the only thing older than Brady there. Because usually don't have the commercials in it. Yeah there were some in this. Yeah and Survivor. Africa and I was like well throughout survivor. Africa that'd be can't be the original ceasing as they're talking about two years in cultural as a short time for my big. Oh you only played two years ago. Yeah Yeah College. And it's now you'll get this journey ear kind of twenty years you're GonNa be like you only spent two years at the XFL. Like JOE IS GONNA come out like real quick and everyone sees come out just immediately in college. I mean it makes sense or any money. What was I do of like that whole thing up? Was it worries. Clarissa Clara I have. Yeah that whole thing. Marie SK Loretta. He goes broncos. Steam Bucks Hammer. Yeah whatever that goal is also have. They're like oh. We can't play can't pay to starting quarterback seven million dollars a year seven seven. Yeah Yeah you can't pay one. Fourteen didn't boldin making five. Sorry thirty Jesus Rex. Burkhead probably making five. Yes he plays all too much ego and it's like what they all want to start. It was like yeah. There's just not enough money to go really needs. And that's the top end. What are the guys like? Just getting there has torn up years. Drew bledsoe sign. What like ten years. One hundred million dollars to ten million a year right like maybe some of those years. We're like voyage. I'm sure all Bangla. It looks so you're saying to fourteen for your quarterback. Yeah I don't know the gun and by two one I had written that like Antoine Smith had been campaigning for like twenty plus carries a game. Like that was his thing. Which unfortunately you need a back that hash to have that many but I guess I think even Peterson was like the same way but Any back then. That was a big. Yeah and I have that. They mentioned that it was the ipad runner that reached one hundred yards since the ninety nine at Yahoo running back. I wrote it down. But it was Terry Allen Jerry down there then you Terry Allen. Oh yeah he was. Marquis sounds no third cousin retarded brother. Yeah draw. Retie seem Ron Carey's listener. We use a brother and all very is listening. Shutouts terry now I mean yeah. Wasn't he in the same Ariza? Marion Butts these cameo. I remember remarried. But he's not object. I don't remember Atari Alley. Remember Terry on briefly to the Jonas gray ever get back to neutron means so it expire. You get five days and if they don't get your money back again can you know nowadays for the xfl? Or not I got a list of other guys at all right. Who else we got can potentially do our intro where they go My top lists Marshall Newhouse. Oh big men on that dominic easily man. Less of you guys know terrible. Nobody unless you're listening than Marshall Newhouse Guy. 'cause he's beloved because he is putting his Tufts. Miami listen because he's not he's fitting for not hate. It feels about heated. Exactly did you. What about Ross then thrown that guy with a little Joanna's deep dive man and that dude like knowledge. I ruined his life. This really read. I guess that huge game or was it two hundred yards for the colts tool one baby was. He does it in his thing. He says it's and so I guess what happens. Like he said his alarm on his phone to phone died any wins the practice late or whatever so he was in the Doghouse and then he tweeted. Kinda like one of the first weeks over this. Yeah turn your back on us so quickly or something like that and then basically yeah I mean he was never allowed to play again by a couple of like you know carries. You're there is actually on the Patriots. Something for the next season as well they just like. You're not going to play in the Michigan them out. I think till I the dolphins or something like that. Yeah using the xfl man he likes. You didn't get picked up like I feel bad for the guy that's not bell. Check ruining his life. He's doing the twenty six. I just I gotTa say obviously Saas Mother things in practice. Whatever might shares Dave like if his alarm went off or whatever. The case may be if you order by Net. Now a really yeah. Okay well then. I retract with these leaders face value. I got drunk and I slept through. You missed the bust of Bucknell huge game any use celebrating idea what you like. Miss Your car keys or something Greg Ni- just you know the whole team. Yeah you don't you don't even have got together and I wasn't there and then shuttled to my coach. Didn't realize until halfway to New York. You only figured out what I call them. He's like Oh you're not on the bus so you boys having been here for this but when has been me and Mike he's had a segment. I think he wants to introduce here. Well the rest of you. I mean basically what I found in doing. This is that I didn't know as much about football is I thought I did. And sometimes announcer say some terms or some things that I have some understanding if it's football not football and so I sort of bring Andy. It's been he knows more about Football Naidoo and so you know he explains Music football not football. Maybe help with this like last week. I thought I was kind of what? You're learning about these terms. And whatever because nothing POPs up and Kinda disgusting nothing not not. This threw me for a loop again now bringing it should we should bring monnet but this she'll talk no new. Yeah let's see what he is will address this. I mean so these guys were saying there's a few that I can rattle off here So Ambrose said and this is what they were quoting as. I like things a little tighter. Ray Likes it. A little looser is football or not Footba who said that Amorous cornerback noses can in. Who's he's talking about? Ray Ray? His like probably isn't blood flow. Where he likes knows boyfriends or rail Wasn't now go ahead. Go ahead finish all right. So yeah so we like a little tighter unrealizable loosen them. I mean let's ask the Jerry Sandusky expert. I think I think it has to do with a coverage would be my guess. I'll hit you another similar analogy different strokes for different folks. Okay Okay Yeah but football in Alpha I duNno you. Tell me it could be both but when they stockings probably talking about like where ray gets right up on the receiver and runs with them. All the other guy gives them a little cushion. Tighter coverage versus loser covered with playing off the line. Guess if he gets physical like the man in a little bit. Kinda see where things are how the other person be dominates dictates on my face. Sorry next one When you're a hot quarterback things happen to you is talking about Brady. And this is really on on him a little bit. When you're a hot quarterback seeing this happen to you or having for you because you had written it has happened for you. And maybe I'm heard happened to you could be right. I don't know maybe it's happened for you when it changes it right. Yeah and that's why I was wondering. What are they talking about quarterback? I think the message is still the same and that same little soliloquy. They're talking about. They said if you have like Dan Marino. Dan bouncer whoever crap quarterbacks the we're on the bench year starting the hot hand another far but I know Johnny John Elway and all five backstreet boys were on the bench. You go with the hot hands. Which again that could play on that. I don't know what he's talking about hot hand. Does it lights the basketball tournament? The Guy Way crazy backstreet boys talked about the term thousand taxi boys. They're eight hot. What is happening here? You're hot in the streets. I mean must be that. He's attractive right because I mean that's actually boys I don't have a damn ugly shit. These are handwritten notes but he is bold hot hand wondering I mean. Are they talking about football it was? I don't think so and now and I I would say no we usually we get to. Yes it's football but I think in this case. No I think talking about the Tom Brady so beautiful that when I think about Dolan. I disagree because Dan Marino's ugly. I saw Ace Ventura. He was not not track with John. John Elway both studs sides. John elway literally in the battery aren't studs. That's what I'm saying. I don't know of course music at the time so I mean they're talking about someone else saying things on sexual which is weird though there ahead of their time because Brady. This is a free haircut with the ball cut. Yeah alright alright not football but do you think he was hot back then. That's what I'm saying. I think he's like a fine wine was he was even before I mean. Obviously he's hot now her nose. Was He hot them? He had the he had the in which I find attractive but he was also Rumega five five or something. I thought he was cute now. He saw him through the two thousand one lands without being empty the nineteen. That's yeah so yeah yeah. He suffers from getting better. Another one doubling fancies. Islands double underlined right here. It says he goes boy. Can I exhaust hands in order to pull in a ball? Goes that fast quick? Who's Dino who that was shortly to football? You're welcome to the segment. I just I don't get it is a transcript of the gains control APPs hot. We don't know so so. Do we know who this is about a larger gentleman? I think it might have been again. He was told me to like context. These things that's fun. Yeah takes all right boy and he goes toy boy. Oh big him I mean have you seen. I think that's the kind of thing aren't really know if it happens like with algae Chrysler running a four nine one of those words. It's unusual for him to have big soft. Like supple hands as opposed to the big GNARLY linemen hand and that make sense big soft hands indicating footballs. I think what they missed out. Contracts was about Marie Smith. He's a big back. Not as strong and bruising. He's a little faster hitting the whole. So is is a vac not as strong in bruising which I think I dealt with that means. He's he's a little faster hitting the whole tomorrow now. So He's a wink. Yeah yeah alone. Cheese OFF GUARD DON'T KNOW ABOUT. I think when they're talking about whole and to talk about another one of my keyword control twinkle. I want to make the point. I think Maury Smith is actually Antoine. Smith you just change his first of all rotate person. Yes you're on the same way. I didn't watch Maury Smith was Smith. He just changed his name and swap jerseys at halftime. Big Breathe right strips. Although it'd been annoyingly on and off all the time he's remind I mean he. He makes football money. I bet he goes through piles of him but talking about. I think we've touched on this a bit before was mentioned gaping holes before. I missed similar. I think it's We're talking about hitting a whole right. That's how fast the running back gets into the hall that that hold at the lyman create hand off talking all all the way into the whole or like how quickly he enters the whole you enters the Hawk between getting the hand off and get into the offensive lineman. Yes the whole created in the in the defensive line body offensive lineman writing the I think I got it. Okay so then that leads into the next one where it's He hits the whole hard drexel centers in which we hope cheesy and kill me now. That means I jet football so I feel stupid. Ended up moving. What did you think that meant exactly? What you drag defenders into other holes I like Jerry Sandusky talk about football guys and then the last remaining too so man three say all right we. We have a lot of excitement down there and this is about Nafa Block. I was wondering talking about Ron Mexico. Couldn't even get through the commentators. Watch it from the press box above field so there's like it down there when he sure it wasn't. Michael had an erection. Oh boy back. That's what I was thinking. But that's what it could be. I didn't did you not see Michael. Vick's erection this blatantly obvious to conduct stiff arm. The Guy Geez I ever stepped out. I brought this guys better. So am I says which this off guard than I looked into some other stuff. So Eight different receivers Brady has hooked up with today outside. Oh Shit that the lot. What does he mean by that? And then I figured like okay. How many receptions consider but then I was like wait a minute I got I. I was thinking woes. You hooked up with that. Many people was anybody of the time. Or whatever I don't know and so I mean. Zell wasn't pitching I years big use. Viewing Mike Jealous. I mean the fact that rate is from Wilmington. They went into all those letters. He wrote them. They went on to answer If he did write a few. But it kind of didn't seem like hammer out a cease and desist. Yeah well that one was back fun fact. Brady was dating thousand one Layla Roberts one thousand nine hundred seven playmate of the year. It says the after the Super Bowl so when that relationship Layla Roberts nineteen ninety seven playmate of the year this Atlanta game. I doubt it though while. Yeah I don't know about like at the game though. I know this is around the time trump doing that. Like coal. Stop Fighting. Yeah I think so. So men in two thousand. Two's that our relationship ended. He started tower. Read which I think we all know about. But at that point she had done American Pie. The Bosque big-name. Yes so then. He broke up with her and I was wondering I just watched Shark Neto six. And she's in a big player. I was just wondering if he regrets at the movies. So if we have them on young Cameo drowsy read that it's A. It's a great question Tom now. Now that we finally got you on this podcast. After ten years we we. We need to ask you the question that everybody wants to answer to. Have you seen sharp NATO six and what did you think of it and retract seven at this point to kidding? There's rumors that has not happened yet. Timing NATO twelve years. I mean spoiler alert. I should have watched by now. I mean Cyborg by the six lunch so just have. You actually watched it since fantastic. I've seen into heaven. It's something that we're just plugging other podcasts. Other moves on me Oh yeah. We're showing that. We're a well rounded people right but then so well-documented split two thousand four to two thousand six hundred coyote ugly all of his stuff. I had a kid with her at a little. Whatever didn't she named him. His initials are jet. Wasn't now at the Tom Brady. No yeah their kids like now chasing Edward Thomas Get. Outta here dig hot. Tom Brady named after himself gets naming rights. Probably Bridget. I think I don't know He. Well so can I add some limelight. Looked up for research. John Edward Thomas Moynahan jet while that's a dig of Jerem during that time when he dated her. Also linked to Vin Diesel Outta here. Was Tom. Brady Leyla. How are you talking? This is a New York. She's got strange opposite ends of the spectrum though and Easel Tom Brady and then For a brief stint before Giselle he apparently allegedly day-to-day Patriots cheerleader. Who ENDED UP NO? She's married to him. But I think she's still with him. Lonnie tax buying it back to you. Boy Lonnie so do Laszewski if we're going to tie this. Kevin Yukos is married to Tom. Brady's sister to us so I don't know if that's informative anybody. Anybody cares but here we are all right in. Quincy no go ahead. Nope we edited. Cut It at this point. Yeah knocking censoring themselves and then sabotaging room. I'll cut it out this. What's the saying? It's not gave somebody sister mother brother whatever. I mean we. We have a guy on the podcasts that I know that did have battleship would have somebody who day. We spent time atop Rabi on the same website. I cannot from her deny all right. Let's see best and worse. Stephen Best Richard Seymour's first career sack o body dad fucking fan of many first-round pick took him week eight for SAC and as a as a brutal on and you can have a comedy more pages hundred. Maybe yes I love your style. And for the raiders in the Worship Seymour. Six six three hundred and five pounds. The truly you know where the edge offenders going at that point the new defensive end of crap for drafting him because he was too tall to be defensive. End Too big to be outside linebackers and bullshit like hall of Famer. He's on the cusp. Probably eventually hope so patriots Fan Refresher. Yeah if he's not all right worse the lawyer me just let me get out of the way for that slant route. I'll just like what do you do when tired of Malloy. Just the body him and I think what is thought was like I don't want hurt my own player too but like it's Thoughts ever occurred iron now. This body does hurt his own player. Anyway I chance to tackle it twenty yards early in the year. Just literally dodge the whole play all right Mr Mellow. That's worse. I gotta go best. I gotta go to fold here. It's a hustle hustle double all right. There was a play that was going to go. For a touchdown. That tile cuts across the field runs like forty forty yards. I think yeah. Yeah and save that edge that outplay so I was pretty Pretty Great and then Viteri also did the same. So there's really episode where you're talking about his athleticism. Yeah he pushes plan down the field. Not The guy out of bounce saving touchdown so Canada to to good hustle plays. I thought admits that episode. Was that the one where you pulled up that down. The cowboys are Turner. You mean Herschel Walker. You mean remember. I was hating on. You're like there's no true strobe you I was wrong. Fucking congressional players read having not seen this just tube bend Terry Herschel Walker. They'll come up. It's amazing the best dealing with them and I think I'm going to bypass the worst moment. 'cause I didn't really have one I was. I you know for the holiday season. I think like I`ll. I'll be nice by an honorable mention really the worst play but I thought it was worth noting. Is that the first time I've seen people bledsoe and which I saw your note. So you kind of mentioned this sort of fighters while in the same fashion is you know he. He basically like Brady chucks the ball. And no look over his head to try to complete a pass as he's falling down and ends up being almost the reception. It was incompletion which I know bledsoe. It would have been six for sure no easy. Yeah yes I've seen him do anything remotely close to that guy which I mean us being mentored by on the line at that point so picks up some bad habits. Yeah just check over your head knows the best rough greg. Esam Weiss alright so worst. I'm going to kind of go back to that Boston. Globe thing we were talking about earlier the spotless snatch You off Michael Smith all four. These are bad spotless. Snatch stainless snare plot I mean. That's a writer Scott to do better than that. You have to do better than that. Which Major Nair was one of them? Stainless set worse than spotless. Sure for porn. Yeah we need your mom. How I'm finishing up. My worst of the week is my mom kicking me out of the Gosh Darn Room. We'll be five minutes. I've never be finished already if we weren't always interruptions you don't have to. We'll get you later. We'll do a real one roddy on our three. So my My best so I have all. I had the newspaper clippings from that day that same day Arizona rallies in ninth inning to dethrone Yankees Curt Schilling versus Roger Clemens and a gain seven world series diamondbacks. One Call Yeah. Hold off Louis Gonzales. Saying yes that's a great one world series gained seven same day. Wow Sherron failing which Roger Clemens Buck in the eighties love it? Red SOX LEGENDS CURT Schilling Against Red Sox the Yankees their fourth world series in a row. Ooh Dr here. So start of one dynasty was the finish of another writer over here. All right. Yeah take notes Michelson. Wait wait you cut that a news article and put that in your book about the Patriots. And you start yeah. I think I must've been same day so I was like. I gotTA throw this in here because the Yankees this transfer the Patriots I all all right my best worse my best. I think I think I'll go brady with his first ever third and short. Qe sneak where the empty backfield and had him. Do the quick qb sneak. I ever saw it first of many that he would always convert changed. The game now has a thousand yards rushing one yard at a time twenty fucking years later Russia and started there is is average paresh because he has all the yield downstream negatives his long Russia's like eighteen nineteen year old is average has got to be on her and a half. It's not a lot Oh also honorable mention was Terrell Buckley up at wide receiver. Yeah and getting a pass to him on the street play early little weed off and see it go down with the patients always a wide receiver playing defensive. Back when you have that in the bills came through with you. Pass a Jesse Jackson right. I don't think different games maybe concern although I wouldn't be surprised if Moore does something like that I'm GonNa play off Luxy Gilmer on the on the scout team wide receiver like. Oh Yeah. They did say that crazy even playing a lot and I'm pushing through a ball where he really spread out. I don't think so I'll double check what is so my worst and this is probably my favorite worst of the worst. The season so-fi far. Yeah Jermaine wiggins he got a a tripping call in the second quarter somewhere and use you trim calls are usually kind of Borel guys beans kinda sticks out. Jermaine wiggins flopped on the ground and just like the guys who flailed his legs almost like a dead fish like flopping and tragic kick the guy in the junk and missed and got called for that on that play and the next play had a false start like immediately afterwards. Didn't seem for the rest of the talk about the commentators about the flags going out. Yeah yeah but that was like one of the few legitimate. It was so badly I twenty five. Oh yeah it was brutal yes. Some of these sneakers were real bad. Oh yeah the pages picked up twenty yards on a thirty one point kids. Don't watch his games in the entirety. They're actually not that fun. Highlights actually if you go to Paris I know lucky for us. There are no highlights of each game. I don't think for the most part of the majority of them so you need to listen. And let's say on the website Patriots Dicillo Info. Well big plays all the all the highlights. What would they do? You GotTa get the context. 'cause just that's true. Roy Brown's miracle catch out of nowhere. Spotless Snag Snatch let's fair all right. Let Him Watch the cleanest call I am. I think we'd beat this debt enough. I got I got one more surprise. All right you already kind of blew it phony Agata. Krispies comes early Pres- all what is happening here. This season not share real mine. Brad Beth. While Fair Practices Licensing put one picture like one of those cool ones at U. N. Website that like like not get us at another one from Patriots twitter. She's like get us. Nfl Logos or anything else. That who is this? It was like the people at the cut she was great shout Adriana. She was ownership rate sale customer sales for those who can't see it. Is Bill Belichick but no no? He's the pope pope slice in bell attack polling. Rosaries it's fitting. Yeah wow well. Designed Patriots dying on the front. We may have to so both of these on the website of some wild. Thank you guys. I love you America's choice. Merry Christmas to all our listeners. By that I mean our mom Mama Brad who's standing outside watching US Karolinska three allies sometime Christmas in July? And she will get to re. Listen to all of this as she wa- should happen next week. Coho don't ruin anything from the opponents the saints game or the Rams when they lose the rent no well it ruined check my. You can check your scrap uh-huh at home with the bills right correct. The one six bills will visit Foxboro stadium. You want a sneak peek. No we don't WANNA speak. Don't ruin it yeah. I know I know it's going to give you like one of these cryptic headlines Withdraw Pretty. Yeah pretty obvious. Oh how about this? This is a good teaser. Many are taking hits for Johnson decision. Oh Iran Gorgeous Johnson. Oh that's really accurate. We didn't even talk about the next time. I had a note. One one last note and this on a Lavon. Well this is how it starts. More more putter Falcons was averaging less than thirty yards a punt and I wrote whereas Johnson. We Need Them. I I I feel like punting the ball further now they are considering that region lake forty yards apart and I was like well. That Sucks Austin. `Jay more Christmas McClure so bad. I'm Scott Chandler. Gotcha all right. Merry Christmas guys. Love this stall of you and your family and your loved one. We'll see in two thousand twenty you Betcha.

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2001 Week 13: Patriots vs Browns

Patriots Dynasty Podcast

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2001 Week 13: Patriots vs Browns

"This is Christine Brown. And while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty. You have the choice. Not My sons and of course Michael sometimes say some naughty things trying to be funny but really just being stupid. You still want to listen. Go RIGHT AHEAD. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the pages dynasty podcast. You made it to week thirteen. Well we have not sure anybody's listening anymore. But we have a special guest with us today but before we get to him. We have Mike and Greg on the show tonight. Snow Steve. How're you doing? Fantastic darn well. I should let one at a time. I knew better or graceful also with us we have Connor Ireland's who to me sounds like a name of Conor McGregor in an off licence. Mma game but I assure you he's not connor. How's IT Goin'? While I think my name kind of sounds like someone who grew up as an Irish kid who's cheered for the patriots for burned tire life back during the The Ben Coates drew bledsoe or those other guys. There's other guys guys huge fan fan grant back in those days. I don't know at Greg Remembers this. 'cause he's just a one but The Boston Globe used to do a poster of a specific player every Sunday night and no one had been more than coats posters on their walls Than I did so Greg Fuck with me when you can remember. Nineteen ninety-six is. I know I can't hang them up at market basket. That's right yeah coming on the market that states every every Sunday there is a little poster in the back of the Sunday globe a specific player and I used to cut them out in ate them on my wall so I think I had those up in my walls to remember those honor of you ever seen my scrapbook. The kid who had the the the Patriots shrine in his bedroom for in series. I scrapbook this wholesome. Let me guess you're patriots? Shrines started in. What two thousand three two thousand four do pre Brady? Yeah I scrub. Brady's first start he did so. Don't come at me so two thousand two thousand one got it. Yup All right so now that the Dick Measuring contest is over. How about we get to this. Football game boy. I didn't even join the Dick Measuring contests you would you? Would you like to Chime in? About how big your patriots tickets? This later all right So this is like we said earlier week. Thirteen of the two thousand one season the Cleveland browns coming to visit foxboro stadium with the gratuitous shots of Gi field in the backgrounds. Browns were actually good for the browns. This year I guess come into the game. They were six and five which was more wins than they had in the previous two seasons combined where they went to wins and then three wins. Unfortunately they would finish the season. Seven and nine missed the playoffs. Typical Brown chip well. It aircraft is so great. You know what did he win? A Heisman. The great white hope for the ground. Well they were talking about him. As what the heisman winner or something in this game but yeah. This was still this pre crisis. Was Tim couch couch. Yes sorry he. I felt so bad for Tim Couch in this game. We'll get to that in a bit but he he struggled. He was sacked fifty one times a season. I think yeah. We touched on most sacked players in the league history. And I'm pretty sure this was on that list in the top or twenty whatever it was some seventies on what's his face was talking about as far and away car. Yes yeah yeah expansion on yeah that's true. Yeah so head. Coach was Butch Davis which is fucking fantastic name. An never beat. The Patriots Path went to an against him. Some other notable coaches on the same though. They're actually like some who's who of future hair coaching failures. I thought the offense to Bruce Arians is probably the most successful of the mall. Yep head coach Carlo five years and is now currently the head coach of the buccaneers him of James Winston fame. I like clarity. I think he's a good coach. Yeah but wasn't he the guy that talked about like USA drink paint as a kid that make that up? I'll stab check. I feel like there was some quote about him. Somewhere about emily eating paint chips or like drinking picked. Bruce Arians said on serious today that he had to get his stomach pumped twice when he was younger breaking paint so not once but twice twenty seventeen. Yeah I thought so. Secondary coach on the team with Todd. Bowles the old jets head coach. Remember him and we liked plan against him. The pages were eight and one against todd. Bowles coach jets teams. What happened on that loss I don't know I've taught my head but my guess is probably like a week. Seventeen three year. Backups in Game Yeah. He's alright yeah well actually no wasn't that Todd Bowles Who was jets quarterback after After Sanchez I think like the Virginia or Virginia. Tech Guy What's his name was. Quincy Carter is not Quincy Carter. Gino Smith thank you. Yeah yeah she knows Smith Aaron. Having John West Virginia. But who's okay it's enough. Yeah so I think that was during those days and those one game where Gino Smith just went off randomly and beat the Patriots. That was point that one. I think I'm assuming that was todd. Bowles 'cause I mean. They've had a lot of dark moments. But Todd Bowles is one of the darker ones And then the secondary coach was our old friend. Chuck Pagano in History Right. Yeah it was because he is the swinging gate fake punt. Chuck Pagano Right. Oh yeah okay. The greatest play in special teams mystery. Oh so hang on was taught. No and I was hoping that Todd Bowles was the coach of the Buffalo Game. But that's can you hear me? I can hear you now. Yeah Okay Yeah I just I Just hopped onto my zoom meeting. My my air pods are connected to the zoo meeting. So we're locked and loaded continue. We'll leave that in fuck it. That's what I'm saying So I I took a quick look at the. The roster of this team tried to put together a list of people that even like you may have heard of and only two people that. I'd heard of Tim Couch and Phil Dawson the kicker the other names. I didn't recognize you. Don't Remember Gerard Warren. The the defensive linemen that played for like twenty seven years. You don't remember earl little the safety then it's north ring. A bell. Sure his Bellary Kevin Giant. I had no idea but he was great. By the way I just want to point this out I have the zoom APP because I use it for work every time Greg Talk. It says Kelly Brown when he speaks. Yeah so I just I just want that on. I want that on record Greg Greg you know what I'm I'm a modern man. He actually took her first name and she took his last name so they both Kelly Brown. Oh Shit that is. It's fucking me up. Every TIME GREG talks it says. Kelly Brown is speaking. And you know it it makes sense. I did recognize Corey Fuller. I think but I don't know if that's because you had a good game in this game or are you thinking of the wide receiver Corey Filler. That was actually on the browns a couple years ago That could be a two. It's a different corey fuller. Yeah apparently Jomar Miller was like a pro bowl for seem all pro linebacker And he looked the part but still never heard them. Don't remember him and one is just A. Who's who of just failures in terms of Brown's defense this is what bothers me as a guy named Wali Rainer. That had thirteen tackles that game. I'm upset that I have never heard of a guy named Wali Rainer. Nope none of these guys. Because yeah I'm putting all the league. They're leading running back with James Jackson. One never heard of two. He finished with five hundred fifty four rushing yards never heard of him either leading rusher on this team are the reason why is because of the whole relocation. Yes so yeah because that just happened recently. The new Brown's new Brown's resume play in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine two years back into their brand new. Yes is essentially. I can't believe so wait. I CAN'T BELIEVE. Bill gave up on a franchise like us. It's really mind. They gave up on him. Yes I did. Give up on him. He wanted to stick around. Yeah did you hear how it went down? I think so. I've heard a few different versions of what you've heard. So belichick makes the playoffs right now. woman five the next year. They're like it's week five. Enacts when art modell he like decides he's going to announce that they're moving at steam the middle of the season right right Lou team croissant on the season. Of course they wish beans at year end. Dumbbell chicks gone but then that also plays into the jet situation because people should on ballot check for bailing on the jets position but if people remember back then there was also an ownership change or was at least rocky because they didn't know if they're going to sell the team and so. I'm pretty sure Bella check into WANNA be a head coach for the second time and then have the T. Movers from Jenky crap happens so you know it looked pretty bad but if we if we look back at history I think it's a you know understandable moves and I think you can also point out the fact that the last coach to take the Browns to a playoff victory is still to this day. Bill Belichick true beating our New England patriots. Actually in that playoff game. Imagine imagine this podcast by the browns long. We should START THAT GREG. Bowman you browns on Brown's that name can just go back and just shit on the round starting in two thousand one. Thank you got the name of the PODCAST. It's called Shit Brown beauty that not in Santo that imagine being a browns fan near like you. You WanNA start a podcast. This one I was like. Oh my God. There's so much longevity. You start with Tom. Brady's first game and you have nineteen years. It's like we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA have a podcast forever you do the Brown Like well we're done all right. When do you even start with that? Thank thanks for coming back. You guys want to cover some of those nineteen sixty Jim Brown games. Let's go blame anyway. I would be would be tough to cover because I don't think they had. Tv back then to find video that you can't look this up but imagine Jim Brown breaking a tackle of one hundred eighty pound linebacker that you've never heard of the visual part time mechanic while also playing for Auto Green Lost Four year twenty seven. This is sounding better and better by the second nine Brownstone Brown's I'm telling you wait for that spin off. I can feel it want something. That's how we expand our audience. Andy absolutely yeah. The browns fans and patriots fans there to audiences ripe for the picking ashore. Not that I think there's many browns fans left probably but I don't know they do need a boost for those left all right so maybe it. Maybe we'll bring our massive star power to the browns as well. I can't wait by the way anyway. Browns go ahead. This is just a side note. I got Text confirmation tally Banta. Cain is ready to join the PODCAST. Starting in two thousand and three so we have some ground on makeup. He did tell me that I would be allowed to ask him on air. How Big Tom? Brady's Dick is so. Can we get two thousand and three as soon as possible? I have some things to ask us all right. I like this guy. He's Riggins a big table here. I've got some questions asked tally Banta. Cain about Kelly Brown actually fell. Yep So yeah we definitely have to have him on the podcast from the rumors exactly. Yeah if he knows what was it called the credit cards credit cards flight. Yeah Okay so. We'll tease that for fucking two seasons from now. Christian for a so that Tom. Brady's nickname was driftwood. Tommy and I wanNA know what exactly he means by Driftwood. Like what are we talking here? Yeah that's kind of ambiguous. You think that's GonNa come out like when Brady retires because it's soft and smooth. I don't I don't think breaking news Tom. Brady's Dick is the size of a log that had been out at sea for three years. What they call that that big Dick Energy is that what it is. It's true. Yeah yeah he's got that big Dick Energy seems that way I'm along cock. Greg dresses him for for Halloween. Really anatomically correct. You've got all right. Speaking of speaking to big dicks. Let's talk about. Let's talk about a boy tim couch. I feel like we should probably start with him. Because for some reason I remember seeing highlights of this I think is like when I was putting together the website and all the highlights are basically tim couch getting just absolutely the shit kicked in. It's the fact that he survived this football game kind of surprised me can couch running for his life. He went twenty four twenty nine twenty thirty nine in this game first. Pass attempt like to set the tone of his game. Second play from scrimmage drives back and I think it was tedy Bruschi just puts his face right in his chest as he's throwing the ball and turns into adopting gets picked off like literally second play the Game Jones without exactly went downhill from there. It was not great and then he actually had one drive. That was good and he got all the way down in the first Corrigan. All the way down and then threw a touchdown on third down but even got overturned though. It's just not his day. Well I don't know if it was necessarily his fault. Because they were part parts of the game and is looking like Steve Young around slinging it the problem is is that he was getting smashed in the replay. So it's hard to tell if it was like his faults or in the line didn't help for sure I don't know if that guy ever got like a fair shake in his game I don't even know shaking career know exactly when his bracket by an expansion team I overall right and then you five years in the end up only how crowded games and five season all at the brass so he never even got that like every you know first pick overall boss always gets at second third fourteen. You'd never happen for him. That's crazy I never knew that. It's true aisin. Also he was responsible for one to four turnovers in that game. Three picks and a forced fumble a My boy to Bucky. What a NAM by the way donahue responsible for that though maybe he recovered the fumble. I'm sorry you're talking about smoking John. I thought you're talking about Tim Couch Couch. Come couch was responsible for four turn. I mean he was involved in four turnovers in that game three picks and completed the past. That was fumbled. That's what it was to Bucky had a pick and a forced fumble in that game was ablaze because North. Korea literally got knocked. The fuck out as he was like Africa hot the ball. That's so bad I love it. I should've should've cut anywhere but north. You're absolutely correct for a second there. I thought you said self cut and I thought that was what I thought know but the guy is trying to make plays so of course every once in a while it's GonNa sail on them or whatever but I mean he was pretty much the only playmate you're on this deal. They had nobody. The there was nothing because I mean even one of those interceptions he hit the Guy Straight in the hands of just bobbled it and it was picked off by which defensive line while pleasant ended up with the interception. It was it. Was Anthony Pleasant. Yeah for probably his only ever interception of his career. I have to guess Stech. There's there's so many there's so many names on this path defense that just God I fucking I love those early teams in turn like Anthony. Pleasant work we'll get to Roman phifer later Maybe the mobile under. Maybe the most underrated Patriots Defensive Player. Like the early two thousand. There's some great. There's some fucking great man Patrick Pass. Who's what our full-back had three tackles in that game. God He must have just been doing work on either kickoff curve punt pass special teams yeah and patching pass again pleasant queer such to allow your sacks I mean. They seem defensive end but he didn't feel like a defensive end. How does this still happen where you have like your three main linebackers? And they're all they all have like ten plus tackles in a game. Does that still happen in the NFL or on the peaches? 'cause I'm looking at Roman Phifer Mikey braids and Teddy ice cold and they all had ten plus tackles in this game and its like. Does that even happen in the NFL anymore? When you have three linebackers on a field anymore with how spread and things are like you'll have to and then you'll have like a an extra safety. Come down in the box or something like that. You know like Atra trunks on with a an extra d beyond their Roman Phifer was definitely one of those like hybrid outside linebacker. Like an Elvis. Do More like Duma bill or you know like not a not a traditional linebacker especially in today's Day and age but I'm looking at it right now and it's like Pfeiffer Bruschi in eleven sort of that sort of free hybrid. Yep Yeah I did catch the when. You're talking about underrated players on his defense. They the commentators at one point like all I think. The most underrated players on his defenses. Tedy Bruschi I thought of all the people you can defense. I don't know if he's the one I would've pulled out but maybe he wasn't referencing that he was like a Use a backup before there were injuries so I think he he was under it in two thousand one two thousand one and he probably wasn't underrated underused linebacker on the team. He probably didn't come into his own. You didn't start seeing like tedy. Bruschi throwing up the snowballs during the Snow Game. Like into like the two thousand and three thousand four was two thousand three two thousand four era Tedy. Bruschi wasn't like an everyday starter glow above them on the depth chart until he got. Yeah thought I thought until I'm just looking up right this second statue now. These and ninety nine two thousand both years he had one hundred and eight tackles arts so these I know but I mean that's what I thought too especially the way that we're talking about him about his young up and comer but I mean he'd been on the team since ninety six apparently. Yeah didn't start many games until ninety nine we started. He started fourteen games on then sixteen games year year or the before and this one. That's weird you're right. They were kind of almost like they never discovered them. I mean to be fair the Patriots were obscure anyway so maybe it was just that they were getting a little bit better and they noticed him. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah I mean I will say Tedy Bruschi man. I don't know if there's been another linebacker that just flies around tackler. No tackle usually not tackling. But he's flying offscreen to somewhere and I've never seen anybody else doing like him. I think that's one of my favorite things to to remember from from these teams. Is that that picture of Tedy Bruschi just running at like on a blitz inches running at the guy running back that steps up to to block them. You just lose tries to jump over every time clip in the legs but still just like his body hurdles into the into the quarterback and inches knocks them over like feet fire. Some bullshit all right you guys have two seconds to respond what position where did Tedy Bruschi to go to college? What position did he play Arizona? Yes he he was a tight end though wasn't he? He was the safety. I'm pretty sure don't quote me on that but a- ITS ON AIR ON RECORD. I'm sure he was a safety and Arizona with the point being though he's massively under size he's always just been a fucking bowling ball. Hey apparent six one to forty seven which not huge for I mean. Well I mean nowadays linebacker I think of kind of gotten smaller in general because they have to be quicker but in this two thousand one day and age where everybody was just bigger in general it seems like I mean you look at the tight ends of these games and they all look the same size of Rob Gronkowski. They're just basically an extra hands. Everybody lowered in like just a little bit. Yeah the game wasn't about speed. It was about size. Because didn't them. Then Bob parcels have some common about He he built big teams because as the season goes on fast teams get slower but big teams never get any smaller or something like that also probably get slower so this is true but they started slow so it doesn't matter so closes right the size. The size never changes. I guess that's true. The best part cells quotas about being able to pick the groceries when he went to the cowboys. Like you like. I want to take the groceries and I couldn't. It's like Amen. And that's one thing about bill that's why never leaving the pats. Bill gets to pick the groceries in fucking Robert Kraft signs the checks. Bill builds his fucking like obscure team where people were like. How is this going to work? And it's the same way that this isn't going to really blow your mind. The same way her brooks built the nineteen eighty. Us Olympic team that built the Russia's like how is this going to work? And you gotta you just gotTa Fuck with division. You've gotta fuck with vision and that for you to have a system. Yeah that's I mean. I think that's a surprisingly apt analogy from and what that quote was about You know he parcells upset because he was forced to draft Terry Glenn and speaking of Cherry Glen. This season nicely done a hell of a segue actually finally played in this game The Boston Globe had articles that? We like the whole thing was. Will he actually play or not? 'cause they settled their differences or some bullshit and he was kind of healthy. But did you actually see? They showed the clip of we talked about it last week before about the interview that he gave where he basically said Yeah I'm hurt because I'm not getting paid and I'm not GONNA pay from. I'm going to be hurt. Sort of bullshit right. He said I did want to be part of the Patriots. Yes D I D did. Because we're his outfit on. That was phenomenal. He is style you so had. He had the corn rows. Which I'm assuming we're thing back in two thousand one. I'm just GonNa Guess Stylish Manso ever heard of Alan Iverson. Andy Young Man. I'd say that corn rains where thing back in two thousand and one. I don't I don't follow Alan Iverson's hairstyle career in terms of times when we had one we only had one. That's that's all we ever had. You had the corn rows and then he had those like. I don't even know how you described the sunglasses. Almost like clear reflective sunglasses that were like wraparound sunglasses. Let's honor the dead Terry Glenn and his son have Passed onto the afterlife. Let's looks Not Be too disrespectful. But you're not talking about this in the past but you are correct. What a waste of talent. I'll just dive in right now. Terry Glenn what a fucking waste of talent. He could have been so good. I mean he was good. One is on the field. Yeah you just feel ninety six to ninety eight. He was probably like a top ten wide receiver. He caught ninety balls as a rookie. Yeah one hundred yards. What year was that Kelly Ninety Ninety six. Yeah those are super bowl year right. The first one was. Yeah yes he does. He gave drew bledsoe a weapon. They went to the Super Bowl his his playing style matched up with Jews. Perfectly because drew was so in love with his arm and he just did like the whole he just did. The whole like fucking. Terry's down there somewhere and Terry was like you know the perfect Terry would just be going long and drew would just hit them. But so similar to like Tom Tom Brady and Randy Moss. Or you've seen the. Eli You see like the ally manning beam whereas eyes are closed. And he's throwing the ball and he's like fuck it Ob Yeah Manningham down there somewhere. Exactly Joe flacco jump bulge saying exactly the same idea. Joe FLACCO is best. Play was throw at deep. Get the defense of the past interference. That was by far his best constantly. Oh absolutely or lead bowl like body someone right. Hi Okay so we thirteen thousand. What do you think was the game changing play in this game? I think everyone probably thinks it's the same one but I I have one. That's in mind. I just WanNa hear what other think. Well I'm a Troy Brown stands so I'm going to go with his punt return touchdown and that's the that's the only answer one thing. Well I was going to jump in with a play but the the two minute drill before the half was human drill as well play. So I'll give you that but I I loved watching it. I think it Set the tone for the second half yeah if NFL FILMS. Doing a turning point. I think it could be either of those situation agree. I agree one thing that sticks out to me like that's just a glaring difference between the two thousand and and like today it's football lawyer Malloy. Maybe our best overall player. He had the game changing block. That Free Choi Brown up for that punt return started to start offensive players ban on punt returns anymore. I think that's just like not a thing that happens anymore. Patriots minutes always been like that for them. I think Bill Belichick had had been. I remember seeing something one of those like documentaries of the Banou Abell checkers off season. And they were talking about how he did the same thing in in Cleveland on the browns and had like average top and at one them like a whole bunch of gains literally on a walk off punt return for a touchdown at one. The game like that was part of his philosophy from day. One some stat from this year about how they were like paying special teams players. More than wide receivers. Yes like guys only special teams like Matthew Slater and I think that's kind of like the evolution of having the stars on there too like literally just trapped and guys who are starters on special teams now but I think that was my point. I feel like you just don't see it you know. They haven't tire personnel changes when the punt return when they know the teams ponting and like I was just reading up on it. It's like Richard Seymour lawyer And I think we're all out on punt return and you know what could have been a major driver behind out. Do you remember when Gronk broke his forearm on a fucking extra point? I was just going to bring you. Do you remember I in garbage time. And he's been. I think he'd probably still wears that. Fucking robot's saying on his arms. He's not even play. I don't want to say that it was the major driver behind it but like I feel like early. Two thousand just a whole different animal. You had your best players out on your punt return on our country. Turn to add to your point. That wasn't a nasty Laura Malloy blocked but then Richard Seymour. Like you mentioned was out there. He blasted the kicker on my best watching six foot. Seven three hundred fifty pound Richard Seymour. It was basically just just walk right into the Punter and the guy just falls over and he's been hit by a truck was away like I didn't do that. He's actually got his hands up as he's doing it and the guys still falls over well perspective that go ahead. No you go ahead Mike. I was just going to say to put into perspective like game wise and correct me if I'm wrong because I slipped up last week. So whatever at this point who is like Ten ten in the second quarter. I think it was like four minutes left. And the Troy Brown punt return touchdown for eighty five yards eight at seventeen ten so it was definitely a turning point in the game for those. That are curious where we're at this point but go on car. No I'll even add on top of that. I think that we got the ball back at happened. We scored right at half. That part return actually turned into a sizable to score. Lead and by sizable to score lead. That makes no fucking sense. Because you're right you're right. We got the ball back at half. I'm pretty sure we scored after four. Half right right sorry. Did they get the ball in that too? So yeah so. After the punt return the browns like drove straight down the field in like three plays and then but then tim couch through pick to Terrell Buckley and then the pats they had the ball in their own like twenty or thirty and with like just over a minute left but they actually drove down the field instead of the commentary. The commentators actually made some comments about how it was a whole different philosophy Kaz patriots in the past would have just taken a handgun. Halftime of the page sexy drove down the field. Madame military field goal with like a couple of seconds left. So now they're up ten points going into into the half up twenty to ten it's actually able to. That's what I was thinking. Is Definitely foreshadowing that greg it's a minute seventeen. They have it on their own. Thirty yell football baby anywhere. And then they got a big task and Troy Brown sets it up and then it's almost like the sleep. Shame interim can I dive into that? Cliche even more. Maybe I carry was the best player on that team. Obviously GonNa fuck and drive down the field no matter how much time is left because he wanna put the ball in your best players. The best player new teams hands. And that's not saying that. That's that's what bill ballot check dude. That's what Bill Belichick was saying. Semen saying admitted. Terry Adam did. It was the best player on that. I swear to God that is a direct and this isn't doing that year. I'm talking about years later. Bill Belichick thinking back to that team. He's said not direct quote. Terry was the best player on that team. So which is interesting because even missed two kicks this game. Yeah I also what is true and and he hadn't been nearly as consistent throughout this season so far as I remember because when you think of Adam Terry of him just never ever missing kicks and always making the big ones but this season especially. I thought he hasn't been who are him to be I? I'm pretty sure from this week's fourteen. I don't know this is not a absolute stat. But it's close from week fourteen on. I don't Know Adam Terry missed the field goal the rest of the year. Might maybe one and this is a million and this is the year that we went on the win. Our First Super Bowl I sorta. Maybe it was not as cool as week fourteen but I sorta he started a week and he didn't miss a field goal the rest of the season and he was the best player on the school connor. I'm interested in your take as we talked about this in a previous episode before. But so you're saying that. He got pretty automatic as the season but obviously was struggling in the early part of the season. Same thing with Tom Brady. He had his bumps and bruises. There are some perfect games and then so far. We've seen some kind of Ducks thrown in In all that and bill's philosophy at that time was right. Those guys right Yet faith in them. I think nowadays. You'd have a little bit of shorter leash for the same scenario with a guesthouse gear like some other guys. So what are your thoughts on his departure philosophy or is it the same philosophy in on this reading. I think you're right in the middle because I don't think it's Harry. I think from I think week fourteen thousand one. Maybe the rest of the rest of his career never had as bad of a stretch as statsky has i. Don't you remember those games? Mike Andy Greg Win. Have you like a kick like a thirty five yard field goal during the era? Where you ever like. Oh my God I'm worried that's missed. Missed those over and over again. He's so like then. It's Harry how to run where you knew no matter what. It was automatic. Forty to forty five guards automatic. He hit most of the fifty plus yards but forty forty five yards. You could just like go. Get SMART Chips and dip like you knew he was hitting it 'cause Southie you're like are we going to lose this game because he can't take a forty yard field goal in a dome like I'm telling police units the what Mike Mike. You're also right though. 'cause I bet. checked philosophy is the exact same but. I don't think he ever got to the point within Terry where he needs to start bringing in these fucking journeymen kickers like you. Do you remember Fucking Bill? Belichick having fifty seven year old more than Anderson in for a tryout because Harry was fucking unreliable. No that's true but yet they haven't had chicken. They haven't had kickers in because Gutowski unreliable because he was hurt. Yeah but how now man was he hurt for three seasons Viteri? Extra point has been added career after week. Fourteen thousand one granted it was from what twenty yards twenty five yards terrible at all. He actually has missed some. Yes during this. Dong during his during his dominant run at the pack. Yes which one one two. He missed three in one. Two three five years connor from from the two yard line the shortcake's guess what he's Ugo percentage wise in two thousand and one being. Greg think asked me what does field goal percentage was two thousand and four. Just answer the question in two thousand one the year. We're talking about two eighty percent car kit eighty percent that year. That's not great year. Give Small Brain Syndrome. You only remember the kiss. That were big. We make how many how many socks Harry thirty attempts thirty field goals. And he made twenty four of them so name a kick ass kicked attempted over forty field goals and has had a better percentage. No I want I terry best year. Not Two thousand one when he had a rocky start to the year. Andy like both brought it up. He went on a run after week. Fourteen and was the most reliable person team. Okay you want to hear that eight yards in fucking three. So he's not clutch. Eighty three point sent Gutowski. Eighty seven point. Four percent. Interest is more accurate. Technically kicker without a doubt. Yeah but conner's point though it's the eyeball test because if you remember. I hate to bring this up and we'll talk about later but season right super bowl. Arrays half right before half ask you was given an opportunity or there was an opportunity to kick Bella check decided to go for some bullshit fourth and twenty or whatever it was instead of going for the kick and I'm I'm sorry but it's the prove your point. Connor Viteri past the eyeball test. Well he's more clutch. We can agree on that. I like yelling all know Andy. All the numbers for every statistic earned slated. Now it is the score points league. Do we're talking about two thousand and one on return. Brady Tom Brady. Tom Brady but how is kicking changed on unity of anything? They're lower because they move back the extra point kick back. There hasn't changed outside of the the extra point rule ever and you know what has record of consecutive extra points kicked in a row. Yeah Kathy with like five hundred. Seventy something warmer could rookie year. Two thousand seven. Not a bad part doesn't six two thousand six. Oh I'm sorry I'm sorry we're not talking about totals here. We're talking about percentages right accuracy. So so you're telling me the Tom Brady Randy. Moss welcome Walker days. Then put the kicker in a better position Position to hit field goals. Then the Tom Brady fucking seventeen for twenty six no touchdowns two hundred yards and a couple of like game winning drives where Adam Venit Terry hit the field goal dude. All right sounds good point in this game alone. He's right I can't disagree In this game alone to be fair the majority of his kicks that were attempts. Were around fifty yards. Tom Lang Com Brady threw fifty touchdown in two thousand and seven. I don't know how many touchdowns total the you gotta add in fucking rushing touchdown defensive touchdowns special teams touchdowns. Tom Brady was in the fucking red zone all game long stuff. He had the easiest job in the game. I'm telling you then a terry with early pre ACL injury. Tom Brady was kicking. Forty plus fuel goes all day long. Southie was in like the thirty thirty five rain with the occasional forty and like the ever day magical record. I don't mean Betas. I've been watching the past the nineteen ninety sick. You were talking. You were a bucket twinkle in your dad's I in nineteen ninety six. I had been one patriots since nineteen hundred same age. Your was a year a year off. I'm a year older but I know like his cognitive ability like he probably didn't really get the enjoyment of the Patriots until the year after that which is why I'm interested in the twinkle in your dad's I if you'd like to talk about that for a little bit or or perhaps we we go back to the browns here. I know people are fascinated by our kicker talk. I'M GONNA figure out the numbers on that all right back next week. Unless I'm wrong then I won't I mean Game Wise I will say this is a weird one because it felt like both teams were kind of just mucking around You Know Brady has mistakes. Nothing was really like solid especially in the first half But the somehow made it work anyway but throughout the game no matter how you know one side sucked or another. It was pretty close to the end which is surprising to me because it was so sloppy. Yeah they were talking about. How the The browns were like plus eight on the season terms of turnovers like turnover ratio. People people. Forget to earl. Little was with a Stud Earl. Little was a study with a safety for the browns Gerard. Warren in his brown days was a minute on Defense. Like th there because they had a. They had a good defensive. Names do any other show. Which makes that number even crazier. Is that in the previous two games for this. The browns had lost eight. Fumbles in those two games. Holy Shit yes. It's minus eight and they're already and they're still plus on top of that dude. It's crazy though. They said up to this point up to this week at twenty five interceptions in thirty one overall takeaways. That sounds like a Shipton. Yeah that's like one of those defenses that you expect to see the top lead people talk about but because their offense was so bad they'd still won six games and and you know the the commentators again kept coming back was like this is how browns games is their defense keeps a minute and then they were talking about the the Cleveland. Browns bend. Don't break defense which was hilarious. But then hopefully the somebody will make a play at some point. Which Brown's the defense did they scored the only touchdown the was it a picnic or a fumble. I think it was the pick six. That was Yeah it was. Brady's Brady's I passed. It was a fix. It was a lob. Grab no Etowah Corey. I agree with you Andy and then I think about some of those cuts defenses and I was a big been. Don't break I always like when people are like the past deepens me so bad the thirty second in the league and I was like a big bend. Don't break defense guy yards vs points for putting a fifty points a game. Obviously these offenses are going to accumulate some yards and maybe score points a point or two because they now have to throw fifty times a game even try and keep up and I was like I was writer. Die On the bend. Don't break defense so watch it. Oh Yeah I think most most of us weren't listening to these guys talk about that. From the Cleveland browns standpoint. It was though yes recently. I remember the first year didn't feel like that was and you're like all right. Now they're playing Was like so refreshing to like watch a defense like place. Yeah kind of like this. This defense has been doing all year. There's another one defense but I just the the level of violence it. I thought this defense brought to pay as kind of shocked me compared to what we're used to these like all of these. Steve Brown's before to where you every play you Li like that's that's probably a penalty this nowadays like every every is it. Is it though because I was looking at that man? Like one of the best hits I've ever seen on tim couch delivered by Bruschi like knocked off and that was legal. Man One hundred percent and it's a lot of these heads man. It was like shoulder pads. They were just. I don't know if they were more eight hundred idea. I think a lot of it is the defensive defenseless receivers stuff now. That was not a thing back then. And that's a lot of that in this game. I really agree with Mike. Mellow I think back. Then because it was way more violent you had to play smarter and you had like there was more. I don't know how to explain it. There was more shoulder to shoulder tackles back then when it was more like violence actually more. I don't know feeling in people's and defenders especially are so frayed to play defense because everything has a penalty. Now they don't know what to do so really they're just trying to like knock the guy's head off and just hope they stop them detonates because they don't know what's legal and what's not anymore that's defense hasn't been getting screwed. Probably the Oh seven Brady Moss when they were like all right. It's all about offense the defense it's also say. Oh four when Peyton Manning? The colts got the rules change. Yeah so that's when it was four. Yes I said I said. Oh seven because I thought we did it better than they did which we did. Well I think that was Bella. Check sway as being like. Hey Fuck you. You won't change the rules okay. I'll explain that one instead. And that's exactly what he did anybody else get any Game Score Yeah. I haven't mentioned the final score any of these games. I don't think yet there. It is good yup stack. I will say though man like like I said the pats were comfortable for a while. Brady was just off now. Two credits tends credit. I mean he had the composure. Do I just keep going. And he didn't fall apart. You know but there was no manning face on. Brady's face doesn't get rattled. You'll throw a pick and you'll come back. And they're they're pointing it out that that Who's the offense coordinator Charlie? Weis would would come out and the next replays. We've got chuck it but not even just like short passes like I want you to chuck it down field twenty yards like they just seem to have full confidence in him. Actually doing what he needed to do. Dividends crazy because it was it was twenty ten and this is one of the worst interceptions I've ever seen Brady throw giving. You might have been getting like bledsoe tips. A little bit too much during Brady basically a Lonzo ball as he's falling forward and both of his legs legs are almost off the ground being grabbed by like defender so he throws this nasty pick. They end up. That leads eventually to Brownfield going. It's twenty to thirteen just like that. Yeah by the Way Mike. That exact play it was third and long and did you see Tom. Brady's quote in the paper the day after it's you'd never hear him well. Luckily uploads all the newspapers Like you can send you are a psychopath dude. You don't know is actually print these off and have them up on my wall my bedroom with the with all the pins connecting in this looks like the wall of like the war room and in the CIA. There's like all these strings with fucking tab. That in but Tom Brady in the CAPER goes sometimes. I need to stay in there and take more hits. And he's talking about its third and long he's like it's better basically to get hit and take a sack. Then do what I did on that play. Which is that was the horrible interception. You're talking about. Could you imagine post tear Tom Brady when he changed the whole mindset on health and what what's important obviously it's pliability? It's IT'S PLIABILITY I have obviously. It's all about pliability. But she's like I need this. I need to stay in there and take more hits. That's just not something you would ever hear. Post two thousand seven. Tom Brady ever say and just kinda speaks to how different his mindset was and honestly how different game was. The game has changed. So much like quarterbacks. Don't get hit the way Tom Brady got hit back then and east fucking tough as nails. He's he's one of the toughest ever and I'm done talking the podcast but that makes sense. I mean this funny I like. I'm a Brent Jones and Gus Johnson Guy. I mean we talk pretty frequently and you know. I don't think there's football or not football this week. Guys I think I got most of it. But but Jones goes when he say he. Oh he said a player's name wrong and then he was like. I'm so sorry it's actually this Harkening back to my playing days because Johnson. Ha Six concussions. I understand and read Joseph. What was your name again? So openly laughing about concussions. Back then about the fact that he was six concussions while definitely a different time. I don't think I don't even think that after him was even a thing. C. T. E. Yeah Yeah I mean we've talked about the Talked about drew bledsoe. And how like when he got hit against the jets the first time I know talking to the the team trainer who was literally standing right there when he saw it happen and he's like Oh check them out for concussion but he seemed FIS. We put him back in the game and then like your day after all the players like yet he didn't actually know what play he was calling so we told him that he should be out there. Players actually sent back off the field because he was so bad back then. Yeah also by the way the announcer talking about how the night before They had dinner and kraft paid for everything and I was just wondering what else he paid for. Now see that's not right out. You're going to go with them. I thought we're going to go with It's a slight take on your ear. Football not football. It's a hall of Famer Not Hall of Famer. Ooh ooh Yes Brent Jones the I did yes sir was there. They were congratulated him because he was inducted into the hall of fame. And I thought you gotta be fucking kidding not another one but it was actually the division to hall of fame and Bay showed a clip of his his speech and It sounded a little CD. His Big Jake was the fact that obviously the division two guys are smarter. Because you know what we've got the playoffs and that was his. Bring Down House moment. Do you think people didn't know that drew bledsoe was concussed is because he was basically just a traffic arm A traffic cone with arms. Even when he was in I was literally big. Fan of drew. Bledsoe don't hey boys. I'm thirty three years old. I the peak of my fandom might have been during the buds days. I'm just saying he was a traffic cone with a right arm from his rookie year. Back Guy could not get out of the way I mean he. He probably had the work worse like pocket aware but he was one of those guys. His arm was so good. He thought he could make any throw on the field. I swear to God led so exciting swing past I was GONNA say screen pass regardless like. What is the screen pads? I like you know what I do. Fucking throw rockets. All over the. It's like this nice touch past. You're talking about now. Fuck that gun it in their amazing Greg. All right Greg Brown can probably statue listening to this. What is what is your role on this podcast. If you won't speak for fifteen minutes Greg we'll win you run your mouth slipping counterpart to get a word in all. Well Greg you're doing a fine job with the stats. I really like your brand name here and also Greg. Your your brother is against you. I told them when you guys were talking about Tom. Brady's looks and Gretchen. Cut In and said would you bang? It was laugh out loud funny and the fact that Andy didn't cut that up and put that on social media. Let's me know that he doesn't want you your career to take off so It's not on me. You can talk to Andy. I'm here for love of the game. You know I'm not here right. We'll city likes shares. All right speaking of banging and all that other stuff Aye. Let's try out a a football quickly on connor and see what he thinks So these things have popped up week to week because I just don't understand football and Andy Smarter than I am. Greg SMARTER THAN I am in Steve. Perhaps so I like to rely on them To give me a little knowledge so Brent Jones did say and I quote Saint L. has two hands on it and just couldn't hold on santee. I go had two hands on it and just couldn't hold on. What does that mean that football or football? I don't know yet to hands on it and just couldn't hold on online quite Brent Jones. Yeah Jones saying that. When was this? Is this like a day in sports and around the same time as week. Thirteen during the game. You just two hands on it. And I'm Kinda Hazy. But that it is and he just couldn't hold on so you know I think it might be is. He had two hands on the marijuana that he was arrested for. When was that in the paper? There was a mug right. You're talking about okay. Are you guys? Fucking? We're not we're not talking about the BROWNS Lineman Greg Andy. 'cause what you're saying is the Browns. Lineman Greg Robinson just got arrested like a hundred seventy pounds a weed and now you're talking to somebody who is saying. There's NO CYNTHIA. Way Who the hell in jail for this I would. I would actually clarify if connor shelter. Fuck up way. Oj Simpson is a different player in the in the Boston Globe. There was this tiny little slow little blurb they call my. I said warrants out for Santiago a warrant was issued in Pittsburgh for the arrest of Cleveland Browns Titan. Oj Santiago marijuana possession decree from kind deal report yesterday. According to the paper the warriors connected to the November Twentieth Arrest of defensive. Tackle Gerard Warren. Who faces a charge of carrying unlicenced firearm in his car during a search police found marijuana which they now believe belonged? San Diego so the foul right. So fact that San San Diego's actually to play in this game surprise me. But so my guess is was talking about the fact that he was trying to hide his his marijuana and He's trying to get both hands on it but obviously couldn't which is why. I the warrant out for his arrest that makes friends Brent. Jones is trying to be clever and like that old fuck and Corny. Dad like porn joke way. Yes and Geragos warn. You've seen his hair and I'm not stereotyping. Obviously he smokes weed. He looked like like Afroman's you ever heard his song. I end with added this out. All right insult Jerry but he looks like Afro Man. He's talking about the but it's not actually they actually look alike. Greg. That wasn't just a broad linear Snack that's all Greg on athletes. Chick logistic also say while he's looking Jones said we'll fork when he shaved. That is why it looks exactly like Vince will for I am dead. I'm obviously looking at pictures. Now look up Afro Man. It was happening. Just want to say he is also said and I know this is early two thousands and I don't know why he went. This way was during a kick return by. He was like. Oh this is gay at the five. And then he's taken down at the thirty three yard line. I don't know why you're saying that five five. I don't know that one I do know what is it because a kick returner and You you can't make this up. His name was Ben Gay. I don't know if he was named after the was that like the hot stuff. Oh Are you serious? So that was football. Yeah Oh Jones. But the topical Pain Relief Product Ben. Gay which because in soccer in high school. Everybody used to RUB IT in other people's Underwear Shit. So they're fucking. That's all I know never happened to me. I guess people thought I was to anybody. No I couldn't afford Ben gives you ever watch somebody do. It's anybody go home later and good too so I plead the fifth. His name is literally Ben. Gay running back. Wow all right well then. I Back Brian Jones story about people with last name. Gay just going Greg. Unh realized might be cutting this out to run away again on the soccer team in many fans but one game. I don't know where it was. They must have got a hold of like the rosters as their walk in if she cares as a kid on my team at gay and they just showed up and they were like where he's gay seventy pounds gay is. I don't condone any of this. This was your all by those. How did he think how do you feel about all this? He didn't acknowledge it at all. I mean like when you get to college right. I'm sure you've heard all of that. Oh Yeah Oh yeah yeah. He thought it was on. Yeah of course yeah did not know that. That's not good. That's well as I'm sorry. You have to listen to this connor. This is a shame. Well no it's not as creative as the stuff. Gregory would say during his fandom if you will went to a lull spinners game honestly brothers and dad and it was so the heckling was so bad that dad left us in and just drove home to find out. What did you say Greg and I'm I'm bracing myself well? He tried to. He tried to fight the mascot at one point. I think that was dad's tipping point. He was heckling mascot. Mall is not bad. Once I started drinking Greg Greg loves to set the fight and he's not one to finish the fight. I've noticed that about shots fired their greg. C C Eighty Buffalo trip. We've been on. You've got the biggest now in the entire group. He's a an addict anatomically correct size blowup of Tom. Brady Dick strapped around his legs. And he's walking around. Buffalo Telling People. I'm Brady Brady. This is an anatomically correct size of trump walking around buffalo and then people get kissed and guests who steps to the back of the line doesn't want to be a part of any of the physical altered case. It's Greg Crack. Why is it physical occasion over there? That's just good clean fun right there. Fun Dude he's this plane. His nickname apparently had some. I had some beers thrown and make like when I was can't wait was a nickname again. Something driftwood just would tommy. Yeah there you go this proof right there. My point being greg is I mean Andy. You know he's an all time shit talker. It's in the blood than the blood. Greg thing I you know Greg definitely got overseas. Besides everything Jesus Delivery Greg. Hasn't good delivery of his shit. Talk Steve's He's Witty Steve. Steve's a bit too aggressive on his his delivery I think I also must admit to the to the whatever listener out there that Greg does resemble a little tiny. Dan Don't do some Brady back. I know I know I now never mind. Cut that out to dry driftwood Tommy in that department. But he's gone Mike Brown's almost there. We're not talking about like facial structure right because I mean Tom Brady is infinitely no Greg. Brown looks nothing like Tom Brady. No I retract my statement. Then I probably. I looked like Tom Brady. Except I'm more athletic and I have a better looking. I like that. That's good. I just told my vote. My Greg. The better looking white. You're out of your pinball shadow. Kellyanne their smokes. Yeah can't more patient life. That's for sure I I forgot we were on a pug when Greg got I gotta y water bottle I lived like choke. It's fair game. She's shall we talk about the last big play of the fourth quarter to wrap this up. Yeah that's what everyone wants to hear the last big play of the fourth quarter game from two thousand and actually how about you this you do. How would you best and worse and Mike? You can start with your all right then play. I'm GonNa have the big play which is my best and then like a little best so the the whole. Iro Holy Crap. Best right with eight minutes left. Oh it was third down the Patriots There's a penalty for holding and at this point they were in their in field goal range and instead of pushing them back and making him do it again. The browns the climbed the penalty fourth down Get into a field goal formation. It's fifty two yard attempt and they hiked the ball. They catch everybody off guard. Viteri pooches it yeah. They snapped directly to vegetarian which I thought was an impressive snap. Yes I agree. I didn't even know what was going on at the play back like three times. What just happened but Yeah and then it was down by Jermaine wiggins with like a crazy athletic play at the one and I feel like that Freddie much seal the deal but you guys get yeah and I think Watching Jermaine Wiggins hustle forty yards downfield to tap the ball from going into the end zone. Like as he's kind of diving for it made me realize how unathletic Jermaine wiggins was I would love to see him. Invincible fork play one on one basketball. I think Wilford would toast them call. It wouldn't even I love. And he's he's a character and he's he makes some big plays in the snowball and such but and this is a list a phenomenal play but sing all of Netflix. You use like when we're talking about. How big these guys are tight ends? We're just like actual linemen. Who can catch this this Basically ousting of Jermaine wiggins when I said that well I'll also say since we were talking about kickers and punters in the past so Ken Walter this season I guess he was averaging almost forty yards a punt on the greatest. Oh they put it into Vinnie. Terry's hands it's pretty bad and it was the perfect punt. It was awesome all right so that was that was my best. I guess you could say and then other best of the game was a run up the middle by Mark Edwards which is not a big deal. Oh sorry man but Alex you take that one. I'll leave that alone. I'll tackle worst. Were so worst moment of the game and I hate this shit on these kids and it's probably the parents fault patriots fans with face paint and it looked like the French flag so I got nothing negative for that A. for effort but negative execution. Sorry stuff that's bad parenting with that shit. Parents which down parents are probably browns fans Jackson. Yeah those dead on you nailed it all right so. I'll go next because Mike tried to see him with under My best was Tom. Brady's physicality and so Mike was starting to allude to it. But there was as a mark Mark Edwards fullback dive right by the end zone and You know the bunch of pushing shoving somebody like one of the big defensive. Lineman tried to push him in like Benjamin half as Tom Brady came out of nowhere. And just shove this massive defensive Lineman who then turn around and realizes Tom Brady and start stopping towards him and I. I haven't seen Brady moved quickly away from somebody like even when he has the football but there was that but it was also the fact that they they ran that reverse again that they've been running with David Patten and Tom Brady was again. The lead blocker and he threw a legitimate lead block on this game. Did you guys catch this on? You might have been like a legal kind of buy. It was it was. It was a COUPLA that was legal. You guys less but I mean he. He caught him and it was like it wasn't even like it offends and he was like a linebacker was took the guy clean out of the play in. Even I think it was Brent. Jones was commenting about how it's going to suck to watch that tape. 'cause YOU NEVER. WanNa get blocked by a quarterback Tom Brady and then I think you can tack on what? Connor was saying about his comments after the game about how he should take more hits in the pocket. So just psycho psycho. Tom Brady is my best in. This game See my worst Will this game. I don't really have a real whereas but the this game had some commercials in it if you guys skip them or not but off my two favorites yeah I. Two favorites was a commercial for the palm pilot. Remember the palm pilot so that was fantastic top line technology and they were like three hundred bucks and I remember our mom having one because I think dad used to work for palm so he got some palm pilots for free. Mommy's love her palm pilot Ohio. It's yeah and that that that flame burnt fast and strong and real quick like a schedule calendar in there was a digital counter that didn't connect to the Internet and then the other the other commercial that I enjoyed was The one for Pepsi Twist Remember Drinking Pepsi Twists back then and think house hot shit. Yeah I agree surge though circles passing. Yeah but yeah because Serge. They actually came to our school and as school and out there giving it away to all of us for free which I don't do well to it. Yeah what is up with that free huck? Yeah of course get pretty weird man. When I was going to school like college. These pickup games. I don't know if you were there for one of these. Would they be driving around with like peddling like red bull and giving it away for free really like what is this representatives at call out free to anybody could do? This sounds suspect someone who can do a deep dive on this on Stefka. Greg give us your best the worst rules. You've seen Browns Jersey with a keep adding on all quarterbacks you visiting more whole thing and looking at all names. It's giving give us a quick rundown. Okay we got all coutts voice. Siyal all Trent dilfer Charlie while Ball Games than win Cole McCoy Brandon Weeden. Sad Lewis are three. Some great names on my worst was the Be that actually for Vocal Jersey. Which I have no clue. Why had that did we dare you? Had A Kelly Holcomb Jersey. Hoping I wasn't one of those bargain bin ones. I'd like and I make sense. Why would be insane as podcast went on? My Neil worst is connor state on kicking a loop back a little bit if you will ask career. Construction going on my worse is connor doing well fuck. He's doing the bathroom or I had my fridge. Door had been opened for too long and it was alerted me that get out of the fridge that asks making fuck out hot pockets over there making a making a chicken burrito with Verde. It's green hot sauce anyways. Thank you congratulations greg. Her for all your staff I know you were Tim Young. I know you were too young to comprehend the Games during the thousand and one but Adam. Venit Terry was automatic. And you never had to worry about them. I haven't been able to trust protest right back. The numbers don't lie. Your brain is not fully developed gear like a fuck instinct you just see one unit the redcowmn. Okay do you know how do you remember? Yes you damn right. It might be do. Remember the Games something you. I never worried about vegetarian from two thousand and one until whenever he left. I Bet I bet these old farts remember that to. You could always count on the terrier of military. Stephen Guesthouse has been missing bunnies. Maybe not the you know it is. Great is percentage is great because we score so often. Then we're in fucking scoring position all the time but he visiting also better at fifty plus dude. Let's be honest all right. Let's let's be honest. Stephen Guess Cassie was great until that year in the playoffs against the broncos where missed that kick and he's never been the same since all right so terry eager to you got. Is it that you that you go out of him the same since no? He was not right after that game. Man I mean look at look at the fucking stats do you. What do you want in their prime? And then a terry gets ASCII pride. Pretty want his middle. It doesn't matter owned my God. Would you hit the forty eight would get hit? The forty eight yard are in the snow. You know he wouldn't give me talking dude one name one big name one big kick. He kicked a fifty three yard. Beat the giants look at. What was that week seven week? Seventeen exactly oh come on. Yeah you you know you know and I remember that game exactly. So that's one. Does we had that kicked in the last three in nearly one ran randy had that long touchdown everyone remembers week. Seventeen and how? It didn't matter though. Not Not that game. Well I remember the other game that you might be alluding to with O B J and oh I'll kick it can't be in the regular season man. There's a big fat no fifty three yard game winner break. Who'S THE BARAK LIQUOR? I believe? It's the one that ballot check recently. Said what's what's his face from the Ravens. I believe John Tucker Mouse Connor. What's your best and worst man all right? So limited to Beth Album being talked about but talk about Mr reliable and plus I you guys. I'm talking about in the past. Two Seasons Games Very pedestrian like maybe seventy eighty yards rushing but he had a fucking knows for the end zone. I think he had two rushing. Tv's in the game My second seventy my seconds as very ambulance McCain's My second best like I already mentioned. Was that fuck massive lawyer Malloy Flock to three try Brown on the front concerns. I know it's you. Don't see your your got suspenders out. On putting their terms like you get like early thousands and stuff That kind Tom Brady just being clearly doesn't person in like two thousand one on his his first year but like those areas. Just my worst might have been Tom Brady plays I think this is probably his worst game. Game Starter One. Man Goes Game was an absolute nightmare. Actually Kinda typical this year. This yeah so you know the two picks and I think he lost fumbles then. He had games where he didn't score touchdowns but he drove him down the field. And so I'm Smith or like your Auto Kevin Faulk or some shit happens but I think he was responsible for free. Terms like in. This game was one of his worst games. Maybe not as worse but I can only be a second words this point. We had one where it was a four game. Maybe a couple of fumbles Yup Yup. That's bad I will. I will say this guy's because we didn't bring it up but I thought it was very cool stat. Sorry Greg jumping in your territory here but it. They were talking about Most consecutive games in a row. I'm with seventy percent. Completion percentage or. Oh Yeah and they put up You know a graphic and Joe Montana had eight games in a row Sammy BAUGH had four Steve. Young four Troy Aikman had four and Brady coming into. This game had four in a row as well. So that's pretty cool. Two thousand one CONRADI. Sure was prolific. Con Brio right and then by the time. I guess so also say we didn't bring up Aaron Shea does I mean he got hurt in the game anyway but Aaron Shea was. Brady's teammate at Michigan did they became very good friends. And then I don't know if you guys know this but this always stuck in my mind. He always greatness and Tom Brady because he was a hard worker. India's humble and he knows he's humble because he wants to ask Brady. What would you do if you became famous and you had millions of dollars Brady said I would buy a new pair of socks every day because I liked that so when we have Tom Brady on this podcast? We're going to ask him. The first question asked him. Do you buy socks everyday. Yeah I think that's pretty good question move isn't it? That's definitely ball movies. I know he's real washer on socks. That's real fucking humble. That's all he wants do. That's a pretty big ask. Luckily loses its novelty after. What like sixty times a week. Maybe two weeks. It's because they're new wines. So that's a poor take from and they still like the first couple times you're wearing. They still feel new you know. And the pre hair three hair plugs. Tom He I think he just had a different mindset. See I I'm glad you brought that up. I mean we definitely That'll be a teaser for future episodes because I've brought up and we've debated when everybody Sold her soul. So is it hair plugs. Or was it a deal with the devil for sure? Dude come on two thousand four or five. He got hair plugs. Yeah and they started to grow in. I would do it to and I might have already. Thank you very much long. Talk longhaired Tom Brady. Where seven my favorite years. And you know. He was only wearing the long hair because he was so happy to even be able to grow long hair after the hair plugs. All right now. He's dying his hair. Look it's fine right. Yeah he's a beautiful man can do what he wants. He's earned it grow up or what yes I I think. That's that's plenty. I hide and what is happening. I just can't believe we've talked much about a random browns game that I didn't even remember happened happened if known as I do. Remember this game actually but Um Salah I do you son of a bitch but connor. If if you're ever back again I mean this noise you're making his fucking amateur hour but otherwise I hear you have a deep dive on. I believe Roman Phifer so that could be for another time. Yes I agree. Yeah we'RE GONNA get into the I two hours at this point should anyway. That's what you said. And then you said you released a two hour episode. I haven't been paying attention but I hear there's a two hour one back in forty five yes I don't. He came on my Ambro. Let me come back. I'll I won't talk as much that's my promise. I didn't know what to do. I had so much I promise you I will have nothing to say next week. I literally used all might cakes. I use all my like. I'm done tap their knowledge. That was it at all right well until then next week. The Patriots traveled to Ralph Wilson. Stadium of Greg Brown Dick Fame and against the buffalo bills. Soulsby how that turns out so if you've lasted this long. He'll join US next week and we'll talk to you then. Seila everybody bye bye.

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2002 Week 17: Patriots vs Dolphins

Patriots Dynasty Podcast

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2002 Week 17: Patriots vs Dolphins

"This is Christine Brown and why we have to listen to this podcast as my motherly Duty. You have the choice not to my son's sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny. But really they're just being stupid. You still want to listen go right ahead. I am not your mother. Very specialized somebody that I think you could say is maybe not the most famous outside of this podcast, but the most famous inside this podcast long, you've heard her every week at the beginning of every podcast morning you not to listen, but we finally convinced Mama Brown to come on the podcast. I'm on hello dear life. You do a mom and I Stevie B. I love you mom. I know notice actual say I love to set up Steve. She just told you to fuck off like 10 minutes ago. Oh beautiful cut off. Yeah, but she instinctively said your name, so I don't say fuck off twenty years. So the reason we wanted to have you on because somehow you managed to instill your Love a Patriots football on to your three sons and your daughter to but to the point that your three sons have started a podcast and have now gotten two episodes to whole Situation's of episodes done of watching football games in twenty years ago. So idiots, you're not alone in that office, but I kind of wanted to get an idea of where it started from and if you expected this from the three of us off, no, not at all. Actually I didn't really think about it you being even fans I suppose. I was just like All right, keeping my head above water and football with the thing that kept my head above water. When all you lot were little I really liked it. When I first came I think you've talked about that on one of the podcasts about me coming. Yeah. And we got story right? Cuz yeah, I don't even know if that's the street. They're not well who the hell knows it's all memories and it'll 6660 C 65 year old woman who has a variable memory but I remember sitting with that look and remember that little tiny television that we had. Yeah. Yeah gray one. Yeah. What size was it? I was trying to figure out what size it was. I went by 11 p.m. Yeah 13-inch. Maybe that's the first thing that we bought and Mick used to go after work and leave me especially at the weekends cuz it was some kind of start up and so I just watched Sports and I couldn't see the puck and I hated basketball and baseball was far too long. But football was God God it was gorgeous. It was just wonderful. Why did you hate basketball shoes? I suppose it was a lot left. It was a lot like netball that I played but it wasn't netball. Does that make sense? That's an English in English game that girls play dead. So there was always this kind of like netball was the best sport and basketball was not right. This is how we feel about rugby. Yes. Maybe I don't know maybe at soccer. It's not the real football. Yeah. Well anyway, so I I just started watching football and I just like fell in love with the game it was cuz it was so much to it, you know, and it was still you know, you could sit and you could spend a whole game just watching the line and play against each other never mind the the the quarterback so I just used to watch it and then I didn't know what was going on. So I used to write down the the signals that the rested thought. Oh, yeah, but I didn't understand and then said making to ask Steve wasn't asked I think was his name was a big Sports guy that he worked with and the and he was like your wife wants to know about that. I need to meet you off. Yeah, this is pretty Google when you do anything to send you just got to figure it figure it out. You know. Yeah, let's see what he did after he made the funny sign what happened, Yeah, but it was great cuz I just kept me busy and I watched all that I watched all the the professional games. I was actually watching college games at that point as well. And I knew I think it's a short walk. I can't even remember who they work. I don't remember names but but I followed all of the the college stuff on the Saturday and then the stuff on the Sunday too. So gone off college team. Like I say. Holly no, no. No, I just Patriots fan though. I was a Patriots fan because we went to see them we got the tickets were pretty cheap cuz they were awful, you know, so we were doing all these American things so we bought Patriots gear, you know, like woolly hats and stuff with that Dreadful logo. That makes me shudder now every time I look dead, But we went down and saw the games and took peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. I do believe as a something a very very American that you'd take to a football game who knew but after that you had to be that cuz that was the first team you watched. So, you know, you just you just supported them, but you have a history of supporting shall we see The Underdogs wage you're talking about you're talking West Bromwich Albion. Yes, you're not allowed to you know, not to talk about that. That's just I figured talking about your son's Sports careers after your son's in general. I never considered were considered never Ran's. I don't know Gregory. I thought I got a good run for my money out of your soccer career such as yours, you know, Mom came to every urinate soccer game, even though I started one game and it was it was senior day. That was all right. It was I lived alone. Yeah, it was good, but it was interesting interestingly enough. You never let us play football when we were younger. No, no. But there was a rule there was it was if once you got the high school you could you could decide on your own if you wanted the only reason I did that was because Donna Lynch's husband Tom Lynch. Yeah. He said you played for who do you play for? I can't remember Seahawks bills. Maybe. Yeah, I think both of us. Yeah. I don't know he played for some team anyway, and he wouldn't let his own kid play So High School you wouldn't wage. I think he's he tried and once it eighth grade in the Little League stuff, whatever they call themselves the Rams or whatever. Yeah, and he and he lasted like 3 weeks and he was so appalled. He just left so he he can let his life. I said no. No, not am I not going to play in any way you'd have to go to like these practices and I was only going to you'd only allowed to do one thing and soccer was like the least amount of time commitment from a parent's one practice and I just use a drop you off and then pick you up again and all the parents and look at that woman. You just drop the kid off and pick them up again, and then I would lick. To Patriots games on your your soccer field on a radio in a radio. Yes. I used to take a little radio down with me and listen to the games and cheer at the wrong places. You remember that? Yeah. Yeah, every thousand patients going to get the hell is nothing happened on this field and all your kids gets are actually listen to the game. She's listening waitress who suck that's I mean I just so I just did it and you just picked it up. I suppose I never thought I never thought you'd kind of like be this kind of level of stupidity really must be logged out here previously. Tell me know. I didn't know it. No, I did not. I mean I've gone off it now. I don't really watch football anymore. Yeah last couple of years. Didn't you write a strongly-worded letter about something. I have this is I have this written down because I looked it up today. Oh shit. Yes, this was do you have a copy of the letter? No, no. No so dead. To set the scene. I remember distinctly cuz we're in the in like the almost like the dining room of our house because the TV and the TV room does not work because Dad just said we don't need cable until the sun's come home and then we do need cable of course. Yeah, and this is 2016. It is the wrong card game Dolphins Steelers Bud Dupree lights up Matt more like just like the helmet to jaw knocks. Yeah. Yeah knocks him out of the game and mom was so pissed off watching it. She was like this is disgusting issue be kicked out of the game and I was like, well, you should write him an email mom and she's like, yes figure out how I can write him an email off. So I went on like a Google like how do you like write formal complaints to the NFL and there's like this like text box thing that you can like submit your complaints and Ed. Uh, she dictated and I typed it in and we submitted a complaint that basically said fuck you Rodger Goodell. Is great how long between the hit and the submit they don't really like probably like yeah, ten minutes fifteen minutes fresh anger was emails. Yeah. Well, there was like I think they changed the rules the year after 2 cuz it was changed it to like a targeting rule. Yeah like to this day. I think it was that email that made a difference off. I guess you change the course of the league to shape me caught right in an English accent. Yeah someone who is your all-time favorite Patriot Willie McGinest. I know you going to say that yeah why I was always a a defense one. Really. I mean apart from Drew Drew just saved my team but yes, but mostly I used to watch defense has cuz used to think they were kind of like always The Underdogs. It's it's still the same. It's like the change of the rules long time and it makes it harder and harder and harder and harder to be a defensive player. So they never used to get very much kind of like credit and I used to think my defense were wonderful. So I just used the he was my favorite one in the bath. So that was it and I went who who who went to a Superbowl and I asked it was one of my parents wasn't it at school that got tickets to the Super Bowl and she said what do you want us? It's a wonder Willie McGinest wage should Super Bowl Jersey. That's right. Yeah. I've been waiting to steal that off you get off. It isn't a pro bowl Jersey. I mean, it's a Super Bowl the super Eagles Super Bowl. Trust me. I've been trying it for a bit when I was really funny cuz my boy, we used to wear those kind of things, but Janice Wilkins and I went to change it to a game one time and it just the two of us went. Yeah. We used to have something right? No. No, I don't think so, but she she wants them or something. She had some tickets anyway, and so instead of taking Steve she took me cuz she's more of a fan than I am actually so the two of us, you know, kind of like not old biddies at the time but oldish bit. He's standing in one of the end zones and areas and you can log All these guys look at the look at these old women and then it's so we start shouting at the game. And obviously we know exactly what we're watching. And then yeah, you called, you know what you're doing, you know, it's really funny but their own you've got a law against. Oh great. I remember him, you know, whatever. He was quite funny actually. So on the flip side of that who not a patient person in general, who is your least favorite player. Oh didn't have the player. But I had what's the fax, you know guy? The characters themselves fat tuna always used to call him isn't Magic. Oh, okay. I'm shooting at Dix Hills Church. Oh, maybe it was the fat. Tuna. Maybe my daughters now. I don't know now. I just I just couldn't bear couldn't bear. Why not. It's a bully. Yes, ma'am. So I think you said I've been listening to some of the stuff he did for. Who's that? I like I can't remember names. Anyway, who was who was the who was a really good receiver in this season lanteri? Yeah, and he was so awful to him and and then and I think that he actually destroyed bledsoe's career because what happened was let's say was playing really well and then the big fat tuna came as the couch and he immediately tried to change how he played the game. So yeah, so he tried to kind of like just change how Bledsoe actually threw the ball and you know, all this other stuff and I think the guy got so kind of like, you know, you talked about him. And things around the stuff. He wasn't really good used to throw really good balls when he first came but he just kind of like he got inside his head and he just destroyed it. I think so, but I've just been listening to em, so denied how I miss I've actually listened episode 19. So so so I'm home right now and like the other day I come like come downstairs in the morning and I'm sitting there quilting downstairs with like the cat sunbathing next door and I can hear the episode. She's listening to and it's like I'm like describing a story of when I got drunk arrested her she knows I'm learning a lot on this podcast like oh God for the stock for this I have I have learned a lot. Especially that was the first game. I actually thought of all the games that you've been describing. That was the one I thought I need to go watch that again. You know this one. Yeah, he came back in and Thursday. And you know, it's just I mean I watched him on the sidelines that whole season walking up and down coaching, you know. Yeah, and it was just really cool. He was sales awesome. Great great guy. He really was so yeah, but as soon as he left us, I stopped worrying about oh, they stopped watching him. So I'm obviously that's what you're fine as you go through like if you're very very invested in particular place as long as they play for your team, right and then as soon as they leave it like I go give a shit Friday, it's breaking me. It's like I don't care anymore. Don't you John John? Thought she did that to Steve years ago. Not until Stevie six Susan moved to a different state gone. There's a certain level of relief when you all moved to different states. Actually. Hey European you were away for awhile handy. Yeah, see I thought your answer is going to be John Elway. Oh boy earlier memories of watching a Patriots Broncos game probably mid-nineties. I'd say some like ten fish house and John Elway is doing his scrambling thing. I think it's one of the first times I heard you swear cuz you you yell at the T his fucking Lego head off. I thought that was Steve Young. No, it was John Elway. I remember specifically probably both we have to know what you've been for young kids in the thing. I mean, I was just like football was great. I could just shout and yell and you know, you did a lot of time. Yeah did and I did see farther on the soccer field to all his team. Oh, no. I met Greg when he gets home. Oh, yeah. Well, he needs it. He needs a very naughty very naughty. Well sometimes sometimes a naughty boy. Yes. So it was it was Jose. It was a relief to just yell. Yeah, I was sitting there thinking the other day that when when I was pregnant with Gregory, I used to try and work my whole week around the fact that I could watch three games of football all in a row and I used to prop myself pretty hard all the laundry do all the food do everything else prop myself up in that front page of TV with the whole bunch of pillows on my side and I would just lie there from like, when do we turn them on? 12:00? 1:00? Yeah. I've watched the 1:00 game that I watch the 4:00 game and then I watch the 7:00 late game song Heaven. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not pregnant but I do that too. Well, you get you're getting it in utero dear. Yeah, triple triple header is every day. But Sunday. Yeah. Have you ever watched Red Zone? Mom? No. That's right. So nice when that's all these different games at one time, right? Yeah. Yeah really sucks. It really does something. You can't you can't concentrate on the game. You can't log Flow of the game you can't get the internet would go to think of fantasy football Mom. Oh I tried that didn't I you did? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was pretty crap at it to you today, No idea. You learned a lot. I did learn a lot. Yes, and I did get excited for the first year that was by accident. Yes, but I did know I don't know it's all blind luck. So don't worry bout. You have to know too much about the whole league I think and I wasn't I don't do that. You know, I'll do the Patriots and who they play kind of I used the only thing I did with the whole league was that that was Young Person's yeah. Yeah. That was the only money I earned for eleven years was winning that pool twice and it used to keep it in a pot. I think what I'm going to page but I've learned this money. This is money is mine. I can't even remember now something nice though, Steven Willie McGinest Jersey baby know that song. Later. All right anything else? Give us your best product related moment. I don't remember those going to look at this part, but I have another question. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I don't remember incidents. I don't even remember last week's game. I live in the moment. I enjoy it. I can't tell you how many Patriots Super Bowls with one and I can see who we play and I can't even remember touchdowns, but it's just yeah it is so everything's new to me cuz you're sitting so far from the T hiding behind the couch off early see it. I do I said, what was the way it was on with you Gregory the other day and I was I mean, oh my God, I was sitting on the stairs at your house, North Carolina. Yeah, that was experienced cheats game. Yeah game playoff game. Yeah. Yeah. I was I do get very upset if they're not playing. Well, what was the the probably the one moment I do remember is remember when they were really losing in English. Was going to Superbowl and I said I was going to go to bed and Gregory was on the phone and he's like don't you dare we can still win this and we were like some some stupid amount of points down and then we want it right at the edge know the Seahawks Super Bowl. Yeah. Is that the one where we were like the Falcons suck? Yeah. Yeah that came back. Yeah, you talked to Mom. I did talk to anybody. I called I called them and I think it was my texting or calling. I'm so fucked with this. This is crap. I'm a I'm too old to be doing this don't you dare? You never leave the end of the Patriots game off tourists. I remember that it definitely wasn't texting stone cold sober. But yeah, they came back and I suppose that's the one I remember the most it was really really cool cuz I wasn't so sure that they've kind of like completely lost it. Yeah and Mary pulls it out. He did just do that. Well, so yeah, that's probably one dog. Ask question is do you hate do you hate the commentators know the only one I hate was cast Wilson home. Was that his name? I don't know like you feel yourself here, but playback. Yes, Dan Dierdorf, but no no you hated Theodore as much as I did. I was in may be dead or fake Kenneth wolstenholme. Is this one? I don't know. You'll have to look it up Greg you snap check is in the harm. I just wasn't home will come home at home. He's soccer game baby. Okay now hated him then from the 1950s and 60s, right you like Steve. I'm a stat check guy. I guess I just didn't like I don't really love any of them. The only guy really liked his Tony Romo's being lazy really really good. I love him Moscow and then who was who was the guy that was really good life, but then got a big bombs worth. No, Joe Theismann, five knows advisement. Yeah. Yeah. I know it was it was a player like that. I liked. Yeah Kenneth Wolfenstein English. All right. So yes, I don't really care about the Maggie hates them all but he does and he picked it up for me. I probably did shout to the mall cuz they used to well the Patriots are so bad for so long and they were always, you know, kind of like being berating them and saying how crap they were basically and that released it pissed me off especially if it's on the telephone because it hardly ever was that's true because we never you know, we never were on the television for yes. Yep. Always. Yeah so far we've come out. Yeah, you find it. So easy good Lord. I we went to that game. I think we took you under as a baby and then you take your mother as well. I am a mom. Yeah, my mom was here and we decided to go there and we took you and that was the time when it was really really getting bad. It was really rough. And I think that was the week the week before they were passing that dull around the stadium and off the female blow up doll and doing obscene things to it in the stands. So that was when we decided we wouldn't go any more but my mother was like Grandma there. Yeah, I'll just I'll just take take the baby and go into the car and then she said somebody could come along P next to the car. She was sitting in it and thinking it was a really rough seen actually when they were bad. So yeah. Yeah, I bought some Dreadful just Dreadful. So yeah, so we we start going for quite a long time because it was it was too rough and then it was too expensive where they got better wage. No, probably wants to season for a while. I used to get tickets from the from the parents at the Montessori School. Pretty cool, right? Yeah. That is cool. Anything else. I got one last question mom. Yes, Stevie Hoang, son. Do you love the most? Oh, yes. Oh, yes, always yes. No, no favorites. Everybody's just took a pain in the ass. Really? All right, who's your favorite? Yeah, I was going to say and why would Steven yeah. Yeah. That's right off by what margin don't don't let them be mean to you Stevie. All right anything else? No, thanks for coming on Mom. I love you. I love you, too. Thank you very much, bye-bye. I'm I all right. Well, welcome back now that we've heard from the one and only the infamous Mama Brown Infamous. Yeah, that sounds famous says, yeah, that sounds nefarious Infamous. I'd say I'd say podcast famous. Mama Brown and what she's famous somewhere than just the podcast but it's probably her biggest claim to fame. Yes, I would think so. Yes. It's what most people know her for not for all the good work. She's done with the children of America and the children of New Hampshire being a teacher for so long and and us I don't know if she put that on her resume. But yeah. Which in the bottom extracurricular like exactly also see definitely not the reference as well. No, but Craig's life has gotten so angry that Mom didn't say she That he was her favorite that he is not with us the moment and has nothing do with the fact that recording is at a different time than the interview with Mom, but he might be desperate attempt to be even decent wage golf. Yeah. Yeah, it might be something to do with it. But he may join us later. We shall see you'll have to stick around to find out like Artis that Steve Nash. Yes. Yeah, let's talk about some football cuz we we've kind of danced around to talk with Mom, but we are finally mercifully. I don't know what what what would be a good adjectives for where we are right now was that weird combination or whatever it was climax of the climax. Yes bank at the climax of the 2002 season. That's probably a good word for this. I think this game was not anti-climactic was it? Now is a great game. Yeah, I because the rest of these have been a little rough, especially I think last week was probably the The low point of the Season losing the Jets at home for sure. I mean, I think that's gonna be the low point of any season losing to the Jets at home. But this one is specially just cuz of how they did it and like the fact that it mattered for Life a offs. All the things one was equally is not as bad by like those tougher to watch. Yeah. I mean neither of them are good. So I was just kind of going to watch this game. More out of Duty than anything and just kind of skim it almost but then when I got into it, I forgot to do that. BC I forgot that I've always seen that highlight of Tom Brady hitting Troy Brown and an overtime. For like the game-winning touchdown is I am a little baseball field and then when I first put this game on every I was at New England and I was like, oh this isn't that overtime game know. It's like I don't remember that. Yeah. I remember none of this game again. I still think I just blacked out for the entire 2002-2003 area of my life. Which may or may not have had to do with the copious amount of drinking I did during those those two years. But yeah this like I didn't realize this went to overtime and this was another one of those games where I got I think probably end of the third quarter beginning of the fourth quarter and I thought Play the Patriots win this game, right? Oh, yeah, actually wrote it down. There's a lot of people leaving with five minutes left in the fourth. Like they showed the typical like you'd see in most Browns games where people streaming for the exits cuz it's like five minutes left in the fourth quarter is still down by 10:00 and people don't realize who Tom Brady is yet and actually wrote down the pages do win this game. Right? Because like I am quite feel just the way the game was going didn't feel like they had enough time. Yep, this is Tom Brady were talking about it was father Brady it was so do you want to give it a watch ability score for jump into this? I'll give it maybe 3 and 1/2 3 and a state championship or 4-barrel, but we play like do do for a lot of it was only watch real cuz he knew the end of it down if the Dolphins actually one at like they definitely should have it would be like A-1 much ability and the deaf and that they thought they were going to But if the Dolphins win, they're in the playoffs if the Dolphins win the division. Yeah. Yeah playoffs and like a home playoff game. I think they missed the boat house. Right the Jets made it in they did and both pages from a home playoff game to not making the playoffs cuz they were up 10 with five minutes left but a little apps and they announce were you talking about how they were like already starting to celebrate on the sidelines which whoops. Yeah, I would probably give it a thousand I'd say 3 and 1/2 would probably be about right page hosting give it a 3 until I learn my fun fact for this game, which will get into in a little bit. I would say you can skip the first quarter though. I would say about like I don't know it was cool watching. Ricky Williams be awesome. So let's let's talk about that running against us for sure. He was a V6 so Ricky we talked about it last time the Patriots played the Dolphins this season and I think Greg went into a deep dive for him, but didn't realize that he was this season. He actually led the NFL in rushing this season cuz I showed a stat where it was him and who else o l t and press home now going into the game. I think priest Holmes had already finished his his last game. You finish was sixteen hundred fifteen yards LT have one more yard than that, but still had a game to go Ricky Williams coming into this game. Was it 1752 yards off. Maybe I'll come and I was like towards exactly anywhere for another hundred eighty-five and two touchdowns in this game at 120 rushing yards in the first half. You're fucking ridiculous. There's a 10th all-time season from Ricky like on the NFL rushing. Yeah, I'm I'm not been beaten a bunch since but still it's a nice story top 10 rushing season from him and almost 2,000 hours. In fact a lot about Jason Taylor and get 18 sacks and he was life for away from the NFL record on that too. Right and they were talking about how why more people considering him for MVP and I was like what Jason Taylor? Yeah. He was having like an All-Star years. Well, and I think the playoffs us Fox right? Well, I mean it is Adolphus. That's pretty messed up. That's that's like a nowadays Jets to have like a long time Seasons from two of your players on either side of the ball and still might make the playoffs. Yeah, I don't think the Jets even get that close couldn't even get those guys or where they would say. Yeah named the best offensive player. The Jets have had in the past ten years off the top of your head. Definitely Le'Veon Bell. He's the the biggest name. He's probably the best offensive player though hasn't done anything wrong. I'll tell you like production-wise. Has anybody actually produced? He's on the Jets. You know, he's got he's just, you know surrounded by malaise. He sucks to just gets dragged down into the black hole good word, but I can get him out of there. He's just he's again, he's probably the most talented player. They may have that. It's quite in the past ten years. Anyway, yeah, absolutely, but I think the the problem like you're talking about with this this team that they literally only really had those two guys because Jason Taylor on defense and Zach Thomas to an extent as well. I'd say but offense. Yeah, but the offense was Ricky Williams and only Ricky Williams. Like I think how did you feel and do in this game? He finished with you want to guess how many passing yards you had? No, you didn't have to do too much cuz it's Ricky Williams Show. He said to play action off of it. Well, this is this is the point I'm making but so even with that you'd think like he would be affected of doing that right? So how many passing yards you think you had in this game ballpark? I don't know two hundred two hundred fifty a hundred and ten completion rate and that that included 70.4 that includes did. A long of 32. Yeah, the 32-yard touchdown to I don't remember it was it was a pretty good thing. Yeah. I thought he played okay. Yeah good throws home. He missed a lot of like what price should have been gimmes? Yeah, the holidays would be yeah, but you had that one touchdown, which I don't think it was as much. Him as it was like Victor green doing what he did last week. Just letting a long book literally threw his hands for a touchdown. That's true, which I think Victor, message the problems. Like that should have been effect. Yeah, it absolutely should have been yet. Here. We are. So going to pick that and he had that one go right through his hands off the tip of all he did he was like already running from the end. It was like on the 10-yard line was already one of the end zone. Yeah, that was a month away. Yeah, so that was part of like the ship. That was this first quarter. Um Like the Patriots on their first drive get to Midfield and then manage to down the punt at the the Dolphins two-yard line which with Ken Walters you punter comes around. This is probably the second time. I correct this season has happened several you you put those ten yards deep in the ends. All right actually know if you look on the replay, it actually did bounce in the endzone the rest of this that No, that was that was a later on the kickoff. Look at that. Right? No, I know exactly what you're talking about will get to that cuz that was a big play too. But yeah, so so Miami game starts to drive at their own 2-yard like the second Drive of the game and feed her immediately comes out and throws what basically was a guinea pig 6 to lawyer milloy the ball just like bounces off. The receiver's Helmet or something like that goes straight up and he has literally two hands on it and he's on like the seven-yard line with no between him and the end zone and he just Butterfingers. It just drops it straight off. He was like tucking it. He just fucked up the put it away in your you know, yeah the crock you're already had caught it in his putting it away and just yeah and he didn't so, you know the the still the Miami goes through now has to Punta so New England actually start at the Miami thirty-nine. So inside Miami 40 and then they attempted to run a QB draw with Thomas Patrick Edward Brady Jr. Hills. I like yeah, it's like second or third down for and it was like third and six or something like that and they try to QB draw Brady fumbles in Miami recovers. They don't get any points out of it. Yeah, what does not play call? I mean looking at it now, they'll play calls terrible. But back then they didn't maybe didn't know how absolutely awful. I was Tom Brady carrying and running the blood. I mean, I guess I could see he doesn't run with any sort of Grace no courtesy like and he's like kind of all arms and legs like a newborn baby deer. Yeah, or maybe like a giraffe. It's not it's not great. He doesn't what to do with his hands and that ball bounce right to Zach Thomas. Like he he caught that on the Run. Yeah. He was like, getting runs first to Just Bounce right to him. He's caught up around and kept going. Yeah. So so then of course Miami now starts at 5:50 after that turn over they get one first down and then I think this is underrated. But Miami would punt from the New England 35-yard line. Like they drove all the way down to 35 and punted it cuz they didn't want to try like a fifty-yard field goal. But yeah, and they got a pretty good kicker right window Mara Lund. Tumhara. Yeah. This is a big-name. Yeah, and I think like if if this was happening nowadays and you had a team punting from the opponents 35 they get eviscerated on like social media and like ESPN and all that but back then like it wasn't as much of a thing, but that that wouldn't be the only time that happens to and that that yeah and and that part was a Touchback like a balance in the end zone. So the pages are the 20 anyway, so if you miss the feel going to get it right around 35, so it's not like it was a huge deal. And then the only other thing that happened that first quarter was Ricky Williams scoring his first of two touchdowns and basically running all over the Patriots use it was awesome. I mean in this season we've seen some pretty awesome. Absolutely devastate us. Oh my God. Yeah. How is long shot LT run roughshod and now we got to watch Ricky Williams in the same thing. I'm curious how many girls rushing yards? Oh boy. So rushing defense this year thirty first off you finished worse than this, but somebody did. That's it. That's a great question. I don't know. Let me see if I can look this up real quick. But Not sure but the Patriots allowed 2198 rushing yards on the season. How do I find a 2002 season? Here we go. This out looking for a stat. So that's guy not a golfer guy. Give it up Greg. You're not going to be good at golf club. All right. Oh, I got it. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. All right. So the bottom. Well, there's a ton of teams the bottom eleven teams gave up over 2000 yards rushing Patriots. We decided were second-to-last third-to-last was the Arizona Cardinals behind was the Buffalo Bills Cardinals finished 5 and 11:00 on the season. Buffalo Bills finish ate and ate and let's see. How is Chicago Bears number seven with two thousand Seventy-Six yards. We've seen them they finish 4:00 and 12 and the worst rushing defense in the league was the Seattle Seahawks. I'm wondering Mike Holmgren. They allowed two thousand four hundred forty-one yards were yet 2198, so they allowed and not seeing any guards bags allowed goddamn. They allowed an average of 4.9 yards per carry that is brutal the patrons of 4.7 which is not much better. But let's fuk like none of those are good. Well, Eddie George really helped even that out cuz he had a fucking like to yards-per-carry. And still got a hundred and thirty yards. That's true. Yeah, and they've done okay against like Yeah, the bills didn't really run it. I don't think yeah, then okay unsolved people but all the big Banks the big names gatz. Yeah suggested really run it much either. It'll that feels right. I don't know. Yeah wasn't it wasn't a great season for this Rush defense, which I mean isn't a surprise right? I mean to be fair. Did you see those blocks to feel there was throwing on the reverses? Yeah, I think he was they had went three reverses for 60 yards. Yeah. Oh, yeah, the the wide receiver was the iactive down. This was the the the only game that I can remember where the page would fall for reverses like that. I don't know if they were just so like keyed up on trying to stop Ricky Williams which exactly what it was and it was good to work wage is Chris Chambers on was the second-leading rusher in this game three carries fifty nine yards. So like he's averaging what about 20 yards a carry my math right there plus the 195 you talking 260 yards rushing. Yeah 256 total off. This was the most rushing yards. The page has allowed this season. I felt like and that's the crazy part. You can run the ball that crazy. You're up. He scores five minutes left and you still lose the game. So yeah, that's where it comes down to coaching because I mean the Dolphins were up big they're up 21-7 at the half right another Ricky Williams song. Ron Patriots doing absolutely nothing. They are actually getting booed in second quarter when they went three-and-out after Ricky's second touchdown run. Um, and then all of a sudden they have one of those drives where I guess you could say Tom Brady put the team on his back but it's really Kevin Faulk on that drive where all he did like. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they they didn't have Antoine Smith in so it was all Kim Faulkner. He was catching the ball of the backfield if they ever threw the ball he had that like one of them. I don't remember what the routes called but like where it kind of starts in the backfield goes out and cuts back in and he beat Zach Thomas on that. They're never going after Thomas and garbage. She was like a big supper couldn't exactly. and so like it was all he he got them all the way down to the 10-yard line and then Antoine Smith had his probably long as one of the game of about ten yards and ran in for a touchdown Which I thought was unfair wage, you know was amazing there but Yeah his chin strap. Oh my God. Yeah the fucking fattest chin strap for like a towel in it subdued. Yeah, like rap with real life size of the big big chin strap this one. Yeah, in this case. It looks like a towel and someone just cut up a gym towel wrap this definitely almost looked like it had like sticky tape on it too. Like I had like texture to it on the outside was amazing. It almost seems like an oven mitt like it there. I love that. I forgot about that, but he seemed like that was I think I have on my head always has that look in like a white goatee. Most crazy. Yeah most beautiful. There was a close actually at the end of the first half began a second that was looking back was huge cuz it wasn't 21-7. I was Twenty-One ten if you remember Brady got him a legal right at the very end of the half like forty something yards. Oh, that's right. Yes, you're right and the Dolphins come out and second half and they just run run run run run. Yep, touchdown pass like, you know, they really should have had the guy was wide open and then they missed the field goal there. Yeah, that was kind of like a six-point swing that ends up being huge. Right? Yeah, cuz the the page came back and kick a field goal to so they're hanging in there. It's like Twenty-One thirteen. It's really down a touchdown. Not a not a big deal and then I felt this to me would have been the backbreaker for most teams where Miami's driving their inside New England territory. And then I don't remember exactly how it started but there was like a tip ball and were able. Go for it and it looked like you like was able to get his hand or neath the ball before it off like pop it straight up and lawyer milloy caught it off that bounce and returned. It's like the Miami 5-yard line, but then he fumbled it and Jake were recovered it but then at the end of all that they ruled incomplete anyway, like, oh you gotta be fun kidding me regulus. So instead of like either the papers having at the five or even Miami getting moved. All the way back to the 5. Yeah, well even then but like my name would still be like tucked back at Their Own 5-yard Line instead of being a new carrier now all of a sudden it's just like that wipes out and they're back in long time doing than 35. But that again that right there cuz that goes into the fourth quarter and I think from there on it Go the the defense holds and the Jets basic go three-and-out from now point and then again is where Miami's skips v e r field goal and punt from the New England 33-yard line. yeah, I don't let that sink in they put it from the doing the 33-yard line that whole sequence is so download because At that point they've been running the ball at crazy and then all of a sudden on that, you know first second third down, they they try to throw in a first and second at the end of their here and then they try like a drop way that you know loses even more yard and their final like well once like a 45-yard field will not reflect it up. Yep. Now it's a 50, let's pump it. Yeah Thirty s43 was third-and-seven. They ran a draw to Ricky Williams that went from -5 yards at the end until it's like a net like no this one you actually he actually did. Yeah, so they they pinned him at the to which you know how long I guess makes sense. But this is where Brady starts to look like. He's hurting like he throws he's throwing the ball and he's like grimacing. I'm like them. That sounds familiar. So I looked it up and I think this is why instead of giving it a three. I went with a 3 and 1/2 because I found an article from was actually from February of 2004. So after the 2004 Super Bowl from the Boston Globe, let's boston.com and I was talking about how Brady was getting surgery for recently. What under what Arthur arthroscopic surgery on his right shoulder shoulder to alleviate some lingering soreness that soreness. Where do I have I have the quote here says Brady originally entered injured his strong shoulder December 16th 2002 at Tennessee. So two weeks ago attempting to pass the end of the first half Brady suffered a first degree Separation on a hit from Tennessee's Jevon Kearse of his show of his throwing shoulder. The Brady completed 40% of his passes in that game one of his three games in 52 career starts in which he completed fewer than half his attempts. And of course, he was limited the following week which we just lost last thousand in a whole mass of the Jets in which you completed 51% It gets even more ridiculous in the victory over Miami and the 2002 finale Brady re-injured the shoulder this time sustaining a second thoughts of separation, and I know nothing about degrees and all that stuff, but that seems worse and so he's basically finishing this game on a separated shoulder. Well agrees work this way in D. If you have a first degree and then you get another first degree yet them together a second degree. So that was such confidence and yet I know you're pull that directly out of your butthole. Yeah, so Tom Brady is playing this where we this is the fourth quarter. He's playing the fourth quarter with a newly re separated Faith throwing shoulder. Yeah, he definitely looked fucked up and then like every past was maximum like seven eight yards. Yeah, but it was still coming out. Yeah, like The Firs were on top in like getting where they needed to be in between the place. You could tell you certain though. Yeah house was Troy Brown cuz I think yeah that may have been a couple of weeks ago to where he kind of landed on his back on the ball. I thought he lived like on his tailbone or something and he was like the way coming down in the ball got in between him and his tailbone. So he fucking Nana Dockery in the kind of shut down his something like that. Yeah. And so like you could tell he was he wasn't moving right that that entire day that made it last week actually against the Jets, I think. And so you can see him kind of having that say it cuz he landed on like price I want to say was like the third quarter. He he caught a ball and landed like that again and you could see he was in serious pain, but that's the Patriots starting at their own to both of those guys hurt still managed drive to Midfield. I think all the completions were braided to braided Troy Brown to get them out of that hole. But then they end up punting maybe goes three-and-out. So it's still where we at this point. Patriots is still down 11:00, right? It's still down there quite down to live near down a little less than that. This the 11:00 is when golf has got to the ten yard line of the Patriots. I've running it primarily down there like you should be the entire time. Well, the only reason they they managed to drive down because Brady got picked off oh before and so they started with I think a shorter field and then yeah, they literally just ran it straight down the society. Yep. Tip by Zach Thomas, of course covering Troy Brown, which yeah. Well, they have a 33 on the 10 and they throw it. They do like a bootleg Jay Fiedler, right? You've you've run for a hundred something yards already in this game. Yeah, you have like your offenses literally just Ricky Williams the Patriots have not shown they can stop you once And so you've yards you scored touchdowns pretty much game over. There's like five minutes left. Yeah. Cuz we get the ball with four minutes 44 seconds and there's an 11-point deficit. Yeah, cuz when they showed the fans streaming out of the stadium there was just about just under five minutes left and that's what and they just kicked the field goals. Now, they're up 11 5 minutes left and the Patriots offense is put up thirteen points of this point. So it's 2413 Patriot cir down big season on the line. They lose this day. It doesn't matter often go home there Dolphins game Honda have a playoff game. Yeah. And so this is where the Dolphins are celebrating on the sidelines, you know, even the commentators have seen their like talking about it, but then Pages get a life because They they're driving. They're they're in a hurry up doesn't look like the same hurry up that we're used to seeing these past ten years or so like the box is just a little slower and like ready to get like lined up just slower. Push it that far down the field either cuz I don't throw it that. Oh, well you say that but I think you forgot what her thoughts on this drive where Brady takes deep shot to Givens and there's a pass interference call on dolphins defense past my parents, which the announcers were bullshit over. I thought that would look like o p i I didn't think you I thought it was ticket a call but I don't like I didn't see OPI on that at all. I gave it's like grabs Jersey a little bit. I mean, I thought they were both grabbing each other but there was no like I didn't think there was anything on either side of it that they should have thrown a flag for but they did I guess this is where I'm biased diverge and yeah, I thought that was off. Clear, I mean I like the end result, you know, hopefully bad cause even now but yeah you're wrong. So it's fun. They had this they had this wrong call on our opponent and then that, you know holding penalty generally McGinnis covering a Myra was on that screen class touchdown in the Super Bowl that that was the wrong call. They're see. I disagree with you on that. That was electrical shit would agree to disagree. Yeah, I'm sure Greg would say the Patriots were in the wrong on both of those if he was here so he can go fuck himself. Beso Patriots have now first person goal and like the two or three yard line and they immediately run the top of the patented Tom Brady hard play-action took it to the wide receiver at the back of the endzone. Which of course is our boy Troy Troy Brown. So he drew an injury. So now they're down five. So they need the two packaged versions that I can get in field-goal range and then they do well, it's probably I'm sick of Fourier like now, but how many give him props for this catch? Cuz I thought it was again another was to play it was even a play-action which Bridges like roll out to his right? So they put Brady on a run on the run and he found four in the back corner and foreign made a hell of a catch cuz that ball was coming in hot and it was high but he still managed to snag it so now the patch down three That's again. I'll 2421. and the page line up like they're going to kicked the onside kick and this is the play you were thinking of. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah because now so you're down you down 3, right or if you're if you're if she wants that the Dolphins you're up three you see if you get the ball and you run out the clock you win the division. Well Peter still had time outs, right? They had the two-minute warning and time outs they did but what do you think we kick off some of that something like that? Yeah, but so that they line up as if they're the pages going to do and I'll just kick butt adding a deep and they're deep man wasn't deep enough was a Travis minor Travis Fort Minor if you will if you Chris Berman like that just came up with that right now. That wasn't bad, Fort Minor. You remember Fort Minor it was the the rap group started by the Lincoln Park guy. No, no. Oh, yeah. Oh, I guarantee you. Remember him. Hang on. I just got on different ways with minor like, you know working in a mine minor like silver Miner or gold miner. But yeah, no cuz this is about the right time. Yeah. It was Mike Shinoda know I guarantee our listeners will understand remember the name. Oh, yeah, so you're guaranteed moms that are remember the name of Fort Minor the Lincoln Park guys other rap. Our mother probably will remember this song because she's heard it off. But here we go. I think you'll remember it too. You're my reason it's like one minute. Hey, I don't think there's a lot of things out. You know what? Yeah. Hope he keeps talking about like all the percentages and they don't add up. That's what I remember about that song. Hey Richard grid for divorce. Oh, wow, 39% this and 27 months here like 150% Put a freaking nerd and shut up go fuc yourself. But yeah, so Fort Minor so Travis, Fort Minor Does not play this well and I think this is coaching issue cuz Vinatieri kicked it over his head the ball bounces in the end zone and then bounces back out onto the field of play until like the two-yard line and you can see Travis minors like brains kind of short circuits. He's like should I pick this up was it was in the end zone? Can I like can I get a Touchback out of this? And while I was thinking about it, the entire Patriots kick team is rushing to him. So he picks it up and measures to get it back to what like the four I think. Yeah. I think I think it was right around. Yeah four or five months and so not great. So what do you do if you're if you're a Miami Dolphins coach, you stuck your hold for just over two minutes left. You have 241 yards rushing in the game. You have you have two options. I'm at Steve you're going to be Dave wannstedt. So put on your mustache for a second and I'm going to give you two options. One. Nice you can. You can come with what with what got you here in the first place? You can run the ball down the page throats with Ricky Williams who's having a career year top ten all-time year or computer said am preparing to kick off who they have to stop Ricky Williams three times. Yeah, or but you know, everybody's you're you know, the Patriots are going to sell it to stop that. They have they've already given up a hundred yards to him, but they're going to sell it to stop it or do you I'm sorry. I almost got through the Laughing. Do you put the ball in Jay fiedler's hands up until this point break has 110 passing yards that he's going to get. I think you have to trust Pete Carroll your offensive coordinator. And so you're you're you're going to you're going to choose. What was that shows and throw it three times out of your own End Zone with Jay Fiedler who let's just take a quick look at how he did on the season 2024 yards 14 touchdowns nine interceptions off the living room. The one right? No, he did not I mean at least run it on first down to get the clock moving. Yeah, it's down the tubes morning get to that morning and try to do a hard play action, or you can run it again and then throw it on third down. It's just I feel like that's that that's easy coaching wage. Are you doing throwing it? Three times? You have a 241 yards rushing. They didn't even get a single extra yard. Ricky Williams. I'm pretty sure since that third and ten when they fucking on 3rd and three from the 10:00 and they opted to pass didn't get a single gotta rushing yards since then. You actually might be right. I don't they they did eventually but by that point it didn't matter and we'll get to that effect, but I just want to point out. the Jay Fiedler had 171 more passing yards than Ricky Williams and brushing errors on the season That's one of those things as a sure thing and putting the ball in Peter's hands ain't it? So so Miami Palm, you know makes their bad decides to lay in it. And so now they're putting out their own End Zone and I know we've given Ken Walter a bunch of it for how bad he's been but this was this made him Walter look good Mark Royals punching from his own End Zone. Yeah, probably but as long as those forms and three in Miamisburg yard line, He plans for 23 yards while up three points in a game that you need to get in the playoffs. He punched 423 yards. So knowing them starts their drive to tie up this game at the Miami 34-yard line, which if you are a recall is very similar to Thursday. We're Miami was when they punted from doing them thirty-three at the beginning of this quarter point. So more than immediately goes three-and-out, but instead of punting it from the 33 outline. I don't even know if it gained any yards on that on that drive. But Adam Vinatieri comes and kicks a long long is 48 49 50 yard field goal tie ballgame. And then there's you know, a few seconds left I think is probably like 10-15 seconds of something like that something like not enough time to do anything basically. Yeah. Actually knows that yeah, no left. And my image tries to do something on the first play, but Jay Fiedler gets sacked by Willie McGinest for 6 yards. And so now Miami's back on their own six-yard line because they had a penalty on the kickoff. So They started at 12 get set for 6 yards and they're like, you know fukkit so then they give it to Ricky Williams two times and he goes for ten yards and then -2 and the base call timeout with four seconds left off. And this was fucking cool. Did you hear them talking about how Belichick wanted to do the free kick game? He was like he was arguing off trying to argue about how much time was left in sort of thing. Yeah. So this is of course a rule that only Probably bail check would know off the top of his head like in the middle of a game and know when to call it. But it hasn't happened a long time because it has to be like the perfect situation but the rule is I found this and we'll post the link in the in the show notes home by Hannah ProFootballTalk. And so here here it's the NFL has a little-known rule called the fair catch free-kick which allows a team to fair catch a punt and then line up to kick the ball in the net Chevrolet from wherever the ball was fair caught without the defense able to rush and block the kick if the bar goes through the uprights. It's three points just like a field goal. So and like the best part you cuz you know, the defense can't block it so you can try longer yard field goals and the the Dolphins are punting from their own a what six-year-old a 16-yard line by the end of it. So They're trying to figure out but like you have to have enough time left on the clock. So they kind of like. Took some time off the clock. Like they put it down a three seconds and they put it up to seven seconds which like, oh, maybe we'll have enough time to get the fair catch called and then then they knock you back down to 4 seconds and by the end of it like after the pun off the time it run out. So like that would have been a hell of a way to end a not just a a game but an NFL season like imagine if that's how you lose secure rule. Yeah fucking 1950s, right which would have been amazing. So the fact that it didn't happen kind of sucks ass. But then during the winds the the tops for overtime and we all know what happens when Patriots win and over and over time going to us and that is off the use. Although this one was a little it gets actually gets worse for the Dolphins. Like if we have any Dolphins fans on here that probably if they're not blacked out drinking by now. They probably are about to be because New England wins the toss and then Miami immediately. Since the kickoff out of bounds. Yeah. Yeah the date on like the two-yard line to it was like so close to me to touch back but it was a kickoff out of bounds and it gets the page should start over time at their own forty yard line. And then they just like opened up the bag of tricks. They tried on the first play that tried the Pat and wide receiver past and worked against Indianapolis last year were Pat and tried to throw deep. Mm Troy Brown. speaking of overtime Look what we have here. Hello. Hello. Hello. Wow active Patriots dynasty podcast week 17. Mm. Mm. How many Lombardi's you give a bag? I give it four out of six. That's that's what I gave it to you guys. I get with real life if you're going to have is a great game. Did you watch it? Yeah, I watched the prime-time highlights. Oh, okay real barnburner. It was at the end. It was more of just a Calamity of Mistakes by the Dolphins more anything. That's what we've been talking about. Oh, yeah, I would hate to be a dog stand in this game. That's what we're talking about. Yeah, they because they punted twice. Yeah, if they win this they win the division they get a home playoff game if they lose their out of the playoffs. And there are 11 with five minutes left to go there already celebrating on the sidelines and then Brady happens. Well defensive pass interference happens home. And then it all just falls apart for dolphins the Patriots. We're in overtime now Patriots try the patent wide receiver pass-first play the second play as default direct snap or Brave or 10,000 over his head that goes for 15 and then fog has an incredible sideline catch, which I think I was saving this take for the end of this podcast cuz I thought we're going to do our best and worse for the season, but I think I'm going to just come out with it. Now my hot take is Kevin Faulk was the MVP of this team in two thousand two thousand. I think you have some recency bias Andy. Nope. He might think he played well down the stretch, but I don't know if the whole season he was the MVP of the league and kickoff returns with two T's right is the only player in the NFL with yeah. Yeah two T's he's the only player in the NFL that had receiving a rushing and a kick return touchdown. Okay, and then like you said down the stretch when everybody was falling apart we found out you weren't here for this but Tom Brady was played on a separated shoulder that he's suffered in the first half the Tennessee game, which is why he plays shitty in the last two weeks, but then re separated it halfway through the fourth quarter this game which we saw and you can see him like physically wincing every time he threw the ball. But if you only person who has left and actually doing anything down the stretch of this on offense was Kevin Faulk. What about Rohan Davey? Great locker-room guy Canon of an armed. I think he's MVP if we're just going to throw out ridiculous name's Andy. All right, give you a better name than Greg Troy Brown. Troy Brown is the best player on this team all season. All right. Yeah, I do know that because I'm not going to argue against Troy Brown. So that's like a catch-twenty-two exactly. Jerry Brown has been like overwhelming the impressive this year Kevin. I think he's had a decent year, but I think I think Troy Brown started really strong. But then when he got hurt, he was never the same guy the season. Yeah, but I mean falkville like he was a good role player. Was that Steve? You heard that Chiefs game remember and he missed like the fourth quarter of the time. It's set in yet his career-high just came back and again and then he got he never like yeah, he was he was like start to get back into who he was but then he got hurt again. So like didn't quite like it wasn't Detroit brand that we all know he can be and I think he would probably agree with that. Mine is going to be really McGinnis tears least all your big Willy. I mean, yeah, but this defense also gave up the second most rushing yards in the League this season, so giving it to anybody on the defense seems I'm not going to lay that at least. He's part of defensive line. No. No, he's playing linebacker to defensive end. Where does yeah, what what does he technically? I think he's I thought he was a defensive end, defensive end is listed on profile is also listed in 2004 is a month left outside linebacker and in his first two years as well if 5 and 1/2 sacks that was tied for the team lead. With all did Big Richard Dick & Willie, but defensive MVPs home also had one reception in 10 passes defended. That's impressive. You probably just gets his mitts up there. You know like J SWAT. Yeah. I mean It's gotta be right cuz so, it's Terrell Buckley with 12 and then we're going to get its entire life with 10. It really gets his hands on football's so I love that really gets his hands on balls. Yes. He does poop on the football game. Yeah. So just to finish this game though, the Patriots would eventually kick a at a military thirty-five yard field goal to win it and the look on Dave wants that space as soon as they show up as soon as they kicked. It was fantastic. Yeah, it it reminded me of who is the Steelers coach at this point? Yeah, it had like Tower feel to it. Just like the soaking with the mustache. Yeah, they're similar looking dudes aren't they little bit? Yep, but he was also like wants to Thursday like super fired up like he I wrote down here. He looked like a horrible out there like screaming at the ref reason like just stick ulating and just like over-the-top just pissed off these referees. Which good fucking hate the referees know I just hit the Dolphins. You want to go down there. You want to go down the commentator out in D. Let's not do it. I live. Are you now bring it up? I know I didn't have anything. I just figured you were all pissed off about something. Well, I will say that the the fact that we watched whether the the feed that we watch I didn't realize at first was the German feed. Yes. Is he doing shh? I'm probably cuz it was the American like wage broadcast, but it was must have been broadcast in Germany because the first two commercial breaks they didn't go to commercials. They just kind of like show to recap of what happened. The last three games commentated in German like Ozzy Patriots blah blah blah blah blah, they soft they lost the Tennessee Titans and then a lot of German dog. New word for touchdown and German they just said touchdown like like that makes sense. Yeah, and then and then every time there there'll be a game break like Chrome. Let's go back to New York Jim Nantz and then it wouldn't just like shots of a sideline and like of the field and stuff and just silence and there's like a gymnast. What are you God so salads and I realize I was like mooching Garden Gladden Bach. I realize I was like Pavlov's dog dad just like waiting for like what's kind of what's coming now? We get a little bit of something else and then just nope. Nope salivating for nothing. I love the German language. Yeah. It's a it's a language best spoken yelled angrily. They you know, yes, that's group. And well that was like tool had that song on one of their albums. That was song might be a strong word dead. A track that was like super I was just like a super angry guy reading like like yelling German and it sounds like really ominous. They had like ominous music over it. But if you look back, he's actually just reading a recipe for how to make like bread or Donuts or something like that. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. Poor Germans, you know, whatever. Where did they ever do to anybody? I will give shit to the crowd in this game though, cuz they were fucking silent off through this new will leave them before the game is over Greg. Brown would have been appalled. Yeah, never leave a game early Never Leave a Game early. Take your lumps. That's right. Yeah, I agree with that. but like they weren't even bullying they were just siren. Yeah, I thought that as well they were not nearly as fired up. Yeah, there's I mean this this game like matters as to whether or not you get in the fucking playoffs and like you're not doing anything like come on. Yeah, they don't know what they'd be missing if there was no fans there. You know now that I've had to suffer through a year of no fans. Yeah, as soon as I get back in one of those stadiums cool. Oh boy. You think I'm not shut up left out before this way home drunk tank hasn't seen anything yet the Durham Bulls AAA baseball team like all these kids running around. It's Greg Brown spikes. List on top of the Dugout Hands-On. That's you know, people been talking about like, what's your benchmark for when like this quarantine? In his over. Yeah, cuz I don't think it's going to be like a sudden stop right? It's all going to be different for everybody when you feel like it's over. Mine is going back to a sporting event. That's pretty good one. Yeah. Yeah, just going back to anything like going to go to a movie two or something like that any of those things for me. Yeah, it's going to be great and twenty twenty-two and we actually thought that was a funny way of saying twenty twenty four I play anymore. So I'm just going to end that we already got made dumb looking with that. Yeah, we did is the closest and when I didn't even I said September, we're already past that cuz it's now October. So have you also predicted this this season will be canceled on Monday. Give it time. The the Titans are doing their best. Yeah to tighten. We're going to go anywhere. Anyways, let's just kick them out of the league. It's like an electric. Yeah, if you're not in fourth place and you get all these fucking kovats, then you should just have to take a taken out for that week aren't the Titans undefeated right now the season yeah faith. They suck right Steve. Did you see who won AFC offensive player of the month Josh roller coaster Alan that's off because the scores all his points in the first half and then as it gets built up by the rest and the fourth quarter. Look at this Spin Zone and we'll find out when we play if I guess yeah a few friends MVP Steve, we're going to have to make you like do something shameful. He should have a chicken hat know. He should have to eat the chicken hat. Oh, it sounds filling. So Greg. Did you have any anything you want to talk about on this? Yeah. Do you know judge Jersey? I'm wearing currently would you like to I've noticed it but I figured this is an audio medium. So we may have to explain it to our listeners. Okay is a Browns jersey with the number 10 on it with the number 10 on it. That's what I'll give you right now. Can you take a guess? What for what name is on the back? I want to say Kelly Holcomb. You are correct. Why did I get that? Right Kelly fucking houlka. Do you want why I wore this jersey today first. I want to know why you have that Jersey dog. Question, I don't have an answer to it. I have no fucking clue Paradigm. Why'd you wear today? Because this is Kelly off right now. Well, that's a phrase. I don't think even his mother would say but okay the Browns made the playoffs. Did you know that no after this week the browsing too cuz I knew them hunt. This is the their last playoff appearance is two thousand and two. All right. So yeah, let's I think that's the perfect segue because the playoffs this year were an absolute shitshow in a sec East in general. Did this game was amazing the Steelers Browns game. Did you see this? No, Then why is it a shitshow? I'm just saying in terms of like who got in and who didn't and how they figured it out. I think you're just bought her cuz the Pats didn't make like almost every team finished like 9 and 7 and so it's like the so here you go. Let's do this. So yeah, so it's basically one two, three, four, five six thousand eight tie-breakers had to be figured out. Oh cool you're cool. So basically after this game this was the early game. So the Patriots won so they were now Thousand Seven with dolphins and had the tiebreaker over the Dolphins because they had Based on a better division record page the four and two in the division. Miami was two and four. So if the Jets lost to the Packers They would finish ate and ate and the Patriots would win the AFC East it would be as the German say cut put correct usually do this the rest of this is German at any chance we started see obviously, we had a limited German but let's trying to go read as much as we can. So the the the Green Bay Packers were heavily favored to wage. Um, To invade the the New York Jets as if they were polish Nation, but instead of France. Okay, France. Yeah, but instead the was it the the the Mets Maginot Line or something aloof off know there's just drop this this a good effort. But so the Jets actually beat The heavily-favored Green Bay Packers, which prevented Brett Farr from getting the MVP award which talked about and you know, this is Chad Pennington coming back to haunt us. Again Chadwick Pennington Chadwick Pennington the third Charles Chadwick Pennington that they're oh update on Squire. I got a guy that I work with named Chad and I asked him today is your full name Chadwick. Nope. Just Chad. So you now call him Chadwick. Correct? Yes. Yes. Yes as you as you must be the assailant. So now the Jets are also not in 7 in the AFC East but they finish ahead of New England in the AC based on better record in common games. They were eight in 4 to 7 and 5 weekends, department and they beat Miami based on a better division record for and to to Miami's two and four. So, it's Jets first off. Second Miami third, even they're all 97 my brain hurts. And then that's just the East Cleveland managed to clinch the NFC the 16 UFC over instead of Denver or New England based on better Conference record because Cleveland went 7 and 5 in the AFC Denver went five and seven New England 6 and 6. So Cleveland barely does that because basically because they beat the Steelers just so instead of going 16-6 be entirely New England. They get that tiebreaker Oakland clinched the AFC First seat instead of Tennessee because Oakland beat Tennessee in the regular season, so those tiebreaker there, too. You know, they finish the same record and then San Diego finish ahead of Kansas City in the AFC West based on better division record, even though they finish with the same record Philadelphia clinched the NFC, one seed in the NFC instead of Green Bay of Tampa Bay based on a better Conference record because Philadelphia went 11-1 in the conference was supposed to Green Bay going and Tampa Bay going nine and three you ran Tampa Bay home and then Tampa Bay clinch the 2 seed over Green Bay, even though they had the same conference record in the same record because oh we already noticed that Tampa Bay Packer. Remember when Brett Favre threw interceptions, yep shocking so they got the to stay in Green Bay was a 3 seed because they didn't beat the Jets where they could have been the one scene. I feel like you can just saying that there was three twelve and four teams in the NFC and then to 11 and five teams and a 10-5 and one team in the AFC. So like the tops are super cool. And then there's a million eight and eight and nine and Seven's including the entire AFC East and st. Louis Fish had a Seattle in the NFC West based on the behavior Vision record. Em. Yeah. So an absolute sugar going to that meeting if you don't even see any more I need a mind map. Can you draw this for me ND? Yeah, I'll make some more of like a picture too long, you know, like a picture book guy. Oh we know so you could you just give back to me with maybe some like crayon drawings that you just definitely be in crayon. Okay. Thank you. I have a choice was a preschool teacher. I'm sure she has plenty of things that I can use to put this together. Yeah, and you know it just throw in a couple of glue sticks that I can sniff and chew on his well, he'll be in the office tomorrow actually Roberts. I'm at now that I'm thinking of it. That was the shit that that smelled so good. Yeah. Rubber seals dry you get your feeling freaky dry erase markers off. Oh, I love that shit. Yeah, I remember they actually made like markers that smelled like like strawberry and shit. Yeah, like that was that was a fucking stupid idea know what should be happening skid strips if markers hm. So I mean so the bank it yeah. Yeah. And what is what is our buddy Kelly Holcomb do but throw for 429 yards and three touchdowns in the snow off in Pittsburgh goddamn and they lost. Yeah 36-33 but Kelly on this is the best the best game of his career. So I took appropriate to wear my Kelly Holcomb Jersey as you probably know cuz you won't get another chance in a long time. I don't think in memorandum memorandum. So if you were to buy wage Browns jersey right now, who would it be punk guy? Oh, yeah Garrett. Yeah, so we got a bunch of good players wage. Zorawar, he's sick. Let's go. I'll go back to Miles because we put up a poll on Twitter after the last episode asking which was worse was the Albert Haynesworth stopping on some dude's face worse while Myles Garrett Balkan some dude on the head with it was on helmet. And I was adamant that it was a 350-pound run-stopper stomping on your head multiple times with cleats on but Twitter disagreed wage, and it was unanimous that it was Myles Garrett. I just recently by God. I linked both videos to like Offensive lineman got stomped on the face. I have a bone to pick with our listeners who are on Twitter. Yeah, it's just they are incorrect. Yeah, I'm getting nothing back and finished the game and was it was it was the other guy that quack quack quack quack quack quack, mr. Ducksworth. Yeah, I mean come on that Wild Card Weekend and there was another crazy game in there. The 49ers playing the Giants and they came down from 3814 with more minutes left in the third quarter to win. 39-38. Oh, yeah. This is the weekday off Mike Mike Vick went into to Lambeau and fucking mushroom stamped. Yeah the fakirs he did. Yeah. That was that was his coming out party wasn't it down there was yeah. What was the Superbowl this year two thousand two? Oh, that's right. It was yeah Gruden bull. Yes. Whoops wrong with that offensive lineman who I'm missing. That's right likes. tough luck throughout your best and worst for this game. Well, I mean, let's let's just let's make this point clear that the the Browns had a better season than the Patriots. I mean, I think that needs to be on record here like explicitly said yes with Kelly Holcomb leaving the way. Yes, Ron had a more successful season than the Patriots. I did Jack Brown's. Yeah our brand Cleveland Browns. Yes. We are the Browns. Yeah. What a fuck dumpster bottom were successful seasons. And then the season of the podcast know this podcast is much more successful than anything the Cleveland Browns have done in the past twenty years. Like how confident you are in that take ND. I mean, we've actually probably had more Downs than they had ticket sales right above 100 good fans. Don't know nobody's going to watch those games. They want me to give it to you while I got on the top of my head here. Give me some watch the game. Yoga. You're going to take a little my side about the game. So I'm not talking. I mean, my best is Kelly Holcomb. Obviously, I mean I'm wearing his jersey and then my worst was the name Chad Pennington now they Manning. Okay. Yeah, he goes to the playoffs and just get stomped by the Jets 41 to nothing. Yeah, fourteen of 31 - 137 yards and two picks. It could have been us to tie. He's overrated is overrated choke choke artists in the playoffs wage is my favorite narrative. Oh, yeah last for so long to get the hands of the AFC East apparently. Yeah, there's not the Jets is the Patriots next two, beautiful. You love to see it while Steve doesn't do you hate Manning as much as the Jets Steve cuz I'm more of a man-hater than a jet Tater neither definitely more than a page. But I hate people. I also hate Peyton Manning after football which everyone else seems to really know. I like them. I like them now. I didn't like him when he was playing but he's grown up now always just like I hate everyone from the Jets, but see I always secretly like his commercials to like the cut that meat commercial. Yeah, good. I mean I never liked him as a person. Yeah, he could laugh at himself, which I thought was pretty cool. Yeah, I mean as of the Brewer I hate LeBron, but I had I won't I'll continue to hate LeBron off after the fact because LeBron is just a phony like the core is a fake ass bitch. You know, who is the NFL version of that Manning? No, Manny was selling aware enough to know that like, you know who he was. It's a good question. Who is the LT but the thing is LeBron is Sandy in Transcendent that he doesn't need to be like that's true. He's like he wants people to like him like the thing with the book. That's the one that got me the most NAD. It keeps protecting to read books like walking into the locker room and sit or like after practice sitting on the sidelines like no one to the only reason he's doing that. He's fake reading a book so you'll think home smart, so you'll like a more that is just so like So thin-skinned and like just ungenuine that like that drives me crazy. He's a bitch. He's a beta he's a puck off. I saw a boy dragged just listed all the millennial terms. I could think of I mean and this is kind of Rich come across someone who can't even read. I've read 16 books this year in picture books. I don't think where's Waldo Council reading books when you rather long it takes I'd rather be thought a fool and then be this is the whole setting expectations thing the people like always actually at that dumb then to be like oh and this like fucking eloquent like reader thoughtful guy and then you ask him about it and he's like, well I get past the first chapter. What's the quote? It's better to be thought a fool than to log. When your mouth and remove all doubt, yeah. Which as a podcast I think we've we've removed all doubt. Yeah that a bad job at that. I mean that's kind of the nature of a podcast though. I have two best thoughts into words. Oh, okay. Let's hear him play as I always did like Jason Taylor loved him. It's super classy guy. Thought I could never liked him. I don't know. He always seems to Trash Talk Brady all the time. So that always got to me. He showed a replay whereas Zach Brady or he liked him. I try to see through it and he deftly could have body waited them. You know, you kind of just like put thought into Brady and just hit on the ground when Brady threw the interception. Jason Taylor came up to him and grabbed his head and kind of gave it a wiggle which school you know like that, right? It doesn't. Yeah. Well, I mean that's him pick off. I mean it was tipped. Well, you never did anything. That's yeah, I agree with Steve here. Like it's he's not playing dirty. He's just like I'm defending my quarterback, but I am sending my correct quarterback and never even met the guy. He's my quarterback who's my podcast my quarterback controversal off. My other best is the Troy brought touchdown, of course, but if you notice he doesn't even spike the ball your media grabs. It runs to the raft and he's already confident two-point conversion holding up to fax. Korsi is it doesn't even bother celebrate and he goes, right. So what's the next players got to work should be dust. Yep, you know, he wasn't saying. Oh, yeah. That was my second touchdown. Yeah, cuz it wasn't it was yeah, maybe it was confused with a different story around it. Troy Brown is perfect in every way. Yeah. I've never met the guy either but I know and yeah. Yeah, I think it's fair to say he is he is what he looks like. Yeah, and then the worst was I don't know if you noticed either anybody. I'll check out his hands on his head like he was tired the whole game. He looks super nervous the whole time. He did something like okay. I'm Bell check-in. Yeah. Although they were talking about they talked a bit about like with the locker room was like and they were saying that at halftime, you know, and they they throw it down to the guy in the field long German guy. Nope, they're saying that the team was very quiet in the locker room at halftime and they were asking if it was a quiet resolve or something else turns out it was quite often solve. But the they were also talking about how Belichick the entire season had not brought up the previous year Super Bowl like not once except for them or I think it's either before this game or before it must have been for this game like the week before he he brought the trophy in put it down on the table during a team meeting and basically said like this is what we're playing for walked out of the room fucking typical Belichick greatest coach ever right Craig. I don't know if that would motivate me like, yeah, no sauce. Coach I just got another hair work and you ain't ever seen it before cuz you were not a 2001 team. I just have another words. It's Greg church. We'll get we'll get to the season best and worst in the second. Let me do my best and worst. There is more glove gate in overtime. No less was from was he dogging it today or was he know? I think your life is all season and said it like didn't affect anything you just decide to clearly did if they didn't make the playoffs. It didn't though. That's kind of weird shoulder has something to do with it. That's why he ended up dead in that other chick pregnant was just like, you know what no gloves here. I don't care what anybody says. Oh God. Damn this podcast has changed its tone. Since Craig showed up. I have to say on the radio. The next day save Tom Brady didn't wear gloves will be in the playoffs right now beating the shit out of Peyton Manning and yeah. Oh God. Oh my God. Yeah Greg from Worcester here on I don't think Bill checks that goes off. I brought out the Super Bowl trophy. That wouldn't motivate me. All right, I'll let you I'll shut up and let you guys start. Thanks. So we find a Bill Belichick and hired Dave wannstedt cuz he seems to have a better control team William Edwards. Rohan. Davey needs to get more playing time. Who actually talking about Rohan Davey and the German broadcast instead of showing commercials just shown animash it. They showed this recap of a Patriots Dolphins game. I don't know when mostly 2000 season. Maybe I was going to say either mm. Like ninety-nine. Yeah where it was kind of the same situation where I think it was late in the season change and I think the Dolphins had if they won they were in the play-offs. So probably was two thousand and Something happened on the last play of the game where they decided to say. It was all in German but sadly, but basically it sound like a half hour after the game was ended and they were like the Dolphins were celebrating in the locker room. They brought everybody back out because the last played didn't count and gave the pictures one last play which was a Hail Mary that you want to guess who threw the Hail Mary. Blood cell don't really know Michael Bishop Michael Driscoll Oh, I thought that was Rohan Davey now. It was Michael Bishop. She's even better. So Michael Bishop through a Hail Mary in his absolute duck in Atlanta on the 20 yard-line. So they they came back out half hour later. They show guys in like their flip flops and stuff. Like just didn't bother getting dressed and they did that last play and that's what I'd end up being in their own. Like I can't believe we can't we went to half an hour of that garbage. It was amazing. Yeah. Yeah, that is ridiculous ridiculous absurd ridiculous. So my best. Was it was the same thing as the German highlight thing where they're showing the two games of the Dolphins before this one, they beat the Raiders and week 15, which is not good for them. Cuz the page couldn't do that but then they went to Minnesota and lost the Vikings. And did you see how they lost the Vikings? It was like an end-around to Randy Moss who beat the defender who came into the backfield with a spin move and then threw a touchdown pass it was fucking you made. I will put that on the I'll put that in the show and it's linked to the the Highlight cuz wage actually probably have it here somewhere. Let me see if I can pull it up for you boys. Cuz this was like a play and a half actually missed that little break. I was like in a drink or something. I just saw the last second field goal that they lost on too and if I can suck, you're right. We talked about them earlier. They yeah, they were not good. But they I think they were like top of the league in offense but also in turnovers and lowest like bodily and and defense of every month. But just right here. And then look at throw absolute dime balance in a space. It's Randy Moss Hawking touchdowns the office opens the week before this Mike Tice siting there. Yeah one and only but so that was that was my best my other. I don't know if there's a best or worst Ted Johnson got injured and the backup for him. I'm going to try attempt his name. Mug mug to a tele was playing middle linebacker for part of this game until to John's came back and I just thought that was an amazing name like a muggle Louis l e e s p n just has Missoula to do to you i t e l e. Yeah. It just has them as Lula to tail a month. Oh, oh, that's what yeah, that must be what they call them. Then what I want them up in pro football references is to attempt. His anglicized name is full name. Yeah. Yeah and they just call them cuz it's hard to do. Let's see another best was all of the fish puns that were Dead Issue pants there in the crowd yet. There's a couple of Squish the fish pictures like signs of people holding up and then they kept going back to this group of four. Ladies who with handmade cheese. Patriots logo drawn as if Steve Brown had drawn them and then it says gone fishing on Wham on the salmon. Yeah, so so I don't know if you guys have any choice. Oh, he's up the top of that on the salmon don't know if you guys have any favorites jokes, but now we'll probably the time to do it. No keep this moving. Mine is what do you call a fish with? No eyes off. Do you mind it's it's not good. Did you are you are you are you a little tired today? No, you seem like in patient with us. It's just fine until you showed up going along. Well if let's talk about talk about something. We're here. Are you okay? I want to talk more about you in German Sky Q. Like could we talk a lot more about Germans and German? Yeah. Sure. So here's what happened. So that the Germans wanted to be a really quick War. So they they tried and they thought they had already had World War one. So they knew that they were going to be able to just like go right in because the French border was forty-five. Yeah. So what they're trying to do is try to go up through Belgium and background but Belgium unbeknownst of them had built these huge like fortresses in into into their their Hillside and that got bogged down and then everything should be shipped from there. Yeah. Now we can keep going if you'd like. I've listened to all of the two Sandy was the bald dude that painted his head silver Wok. Oh, yeah, the actual great-looking pass logo on his head so look like he was wearing a helmet. He's a big old fat bald dude. Yeah. We just repeat that. It had like a helmet and he was like a he was like the page. Farm and head I thought for a while like he was in every game. I've seen him in a bunch of games like set like since after that I guess my worst is probably just the stats in this game the page or should not have one this I have a screenshot of two minutes and forty-two seconds left in the game. This is where the Dolphins have the ball on their own 4-yard line and design a row three times. Here's a stat so far in the game. The Dolphins have 241 rushing yards at this point in the pages 91 and 350 total yards the page 280 and the pages turned the ball over twice. At this point this is where the Dolphins decided to run to throw the ball three times out of their own End Zone with Jay Fiedler Fiedler on the roof, who as we've decided had a hundred eighty-one more passing yards than Ricky Williams 10 rushing yards. So maybe wrong decision. Did you know that this this Miami team were brought to you by McDonald's. Did you know that I did not why was that James McKnight Randy McMichael in Scott mcgauran? She liked that smile. He's try his pull out all the stuff here. Oh Greg you missed my trash Fort Minor joke, Steve did not like Diner. I remember that. He made me play Fort Minor. Remember remember for minor Steve isn't that now? Remember you can park kind of right? It was just it was the rapper from Linkin Park. Yes. I remember the one song once and he played it off. Everybody does yeah. All right. So I think that wraps up this game and the season did you guys have any best and worse for for this 2002 season for the podcast in general? Wow, I didn't prepare anything handy. Maybe if you had said before we recorded that we were going to do this. So my worst like Steve's that is Greg. Hi, it's the last episode. What did you expect for us to talk about? Okay. Well then we've done to take that in consideration. When I do my best sources, you get to go first. Go ahead. You're going first. Oh great you go for my worst is Andy and my best is Steve mon. Stevie baby. Hit me with a back. My best is myself in my word choice. You can't have two words. How this works it works. This is some of these games of them not being able to stop the run and just I think I think I think my worst is your guys like pessimism about this season. I think this is a decent season. There's some good game Chiefs game. The Bears game this game. Those are all Barn burners and you know what you're spoiled and it's it's you're you're winning privilege is showing. Okay Patriots privilege. I like that privilege. Yeah, that might be may have to be the name of our nation podcast paid Reserve would I mean it's true it is expect everything handed on a silver platter every year. Yeah wouldn't I don't even know what you mean. The season was better than I would ever have thought it would be before we started it, but it was also super frustrating for a bell checked all the same way of them not being a dog. The run at all. Yeah, everything out there running. Yeah, I mean even this game Ricky Williams a buck eighty-five. That's what I'm saying. As it everybody else Ricky Patriots. Well, I mean that will come to fruition early. Next year won't it this this whole Bella check versus the team in the locker room own it not to be a spoiler alerts. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's next time. So yeah, I think we're going to do is we're going to take a break from game recaps for maybe a week or two. And do some of the stuff we've saved up we have some other. Semi related episodes erotic erotic novel reviews all we have to do that too. We have this thing was in the novel that it was like a stupid show on him, but I think we're talking about different things. But you know the Cam Newton book. So yeah, we'll have a fourth inside review page will have Greg's Deep dive into these. Well, not necessarily these Miami Dolphins, but your Miami Dolphins and the Richie Incognito page Scandal fully ball. That was the does a throwback one will actually have Mike on for that one. That was hilarious though. Yeah, I was a good episode. I think we I think we I think we went below the surface a little bit there and we could we got into office and is so mad all the time at the commentators. I don't remember wage. I mean the vowel know have you seen The Vow HBO about the Nexium. It's a documentary about the nxivm cult. I've heard of that ship but I haven't seen it never even heard of odd sweet. Well, what I'm getting at is we should brand ourselves in like some sort of weird sex thing, right? Yeah home with my initials. We're just brothers just like brand Browns on our on our Brown off. Yeah. Well, how big is your brown and you can put them Word on how big is yours? Yeah dumb pig enough. We're talking circumference has here. Yes, sir. Yeah, it's big and all yet bigger Browns on Browns indeed. On browse like the Browns jersey today. Yep. Yep. Yep talking about your brownhole. Well that feels like a fitting into the 2002 season. That's I talking to me and talking about it but holes cuz I don't care how what privilege I have that still feels like it felt like a slog going through some of these games. So because you watched me well, this is true. There's a little pro-tip just don't watch the games. They lose. Well, fortunately that's not going to be an issue soon coming up here. Yeah. Slog results. Yeah. I'm I'm pretty excited. These next two years are going to be yeah, they're going to be a fun wat. They are. Yeah, let's make a prediction. Who do you think your favorite player is going to be in the next two years? It's just based on like or maybe like an unsung hero that you mean outside of Troy Brown is what you're saying right like Minds obviously Ty Law, and I think that's going to be reinforced, but I was thinking dead. I'm really interested to watch Richard Seymour like come into his own cuz you start going to say well this year but he was like a perennial Pro Bowl these next few years and I want to I want to see his dog. It's up close. I would say Rodney Harrison. It's going to be interesting thing to watch t like I said cuz he comes in for lawyer milloy and kind of take her a spot and becomes kind of the heart of that defense and setting that tone. But when does Vince Wilfork come into the picture and he goes a rookie, you know for yeah. All right so long I think you'll be interesting to watch to love events. Oh cuz I was always a huge guy for him. Yeah, that's right. That's right or young Branch even like the easy to say the two rookie receivers cuz both of them that's true to a good point. Well shit. Well, I guess they want to find out that's right. Next season on the page is down as he parked at 10 a.m. The next two songs off and I think those are good ended with the fucking sweatshirt girl. So I want you to press yeah. Well, we we saw God damn. And as always if you've enjoyed this year baby, if you've enjoyed this season this episode any of it leave us, let us know took us a review rate this podcast pod and since nobody's doing that we might try make it easier for next season will find some some ways of how we going to do that Thursday. We might have a phone number that you can text and or leave us a voicemail app. We should just do what they do for the voter registration and just send like six things in the mail every single day, even though already fucking registered goddamn. There's an election ballot to every single person. Okay? Yeah sure but just send it once for god sakes. No. No, we're going to send it multiple times anybody that we can change your address is on the internet and you're listening to this expect to see some mail from assume and will will accept your handwritten. Oh, do you guys want to make predictions for the November election? No, no. Jesus Christ Greg can really like a wrecking ball. I believe the song is best describes out episode. What time did you guys start off some fifteen ish? Okay, that's not too bad. Now we talked about the entire game. Well, if you look at the WhatsApp, you'll see that he his car broke down on his way home. So he wasn't able to to get home in time for it or maybe even though he did. Even though he stayed up to watch the game taking notes on how shity Victor green was for nothing would have had and read in that spot. Victoria was not good. Yeah, he was bad. Yeah. All right. Good. I'm going to start doing this every week and just show up halfway through. Well, the thing is like you can't just join any more. I have to let you in. So we'll see how that goes. True. That's a good point without you will just not let you in. Okay, that's fair. I fix my golf swing Steve. Yeah, cool. I don't have to like sixty yards left anymore. Cos it's still pretty erratic. But at least now I can aim straight and hit it straight. Sometimes very excited about that where that Kelly Holcomb Jersey golfing cuz I'm off that makes sense. It'll let you do that accurate. You're just playing the wrong courses did yep. You want to when we got play off? I don't know if there's anything there Thanksgiving or whatever. Yeah, we should we should try to find Seventeen complain Columbus Day if you have that off and Friday Saturday after that. When's Columbus Day Monday the 12th of October after next? Yeah, I don't know. That's probably my next time wage. Are you playing in a tournament that these days? I think I have it we have this nice guest room. Yeah, it's coming along. Nice. Look at that. Very professional-looking. Looks like a real bedroom instead of fucking it was on the wall. And Seattle tucked in back in there Steve he's growing up. And what John Cox they're not a while. You're lying in bed a fucking God damn time not drawn ones. Anyway. All right fellas off. I will see you next week. Yeah, right Supply play with your mic when you're on this cuz it's like constant like yeah, we can't hear trombone. Okay, you should not not going to happen. I will I'm sorry. I just have fidgeting hands. That's all. I'll try my best. All right guys boys next week to go on to do the Cam Newton thing. Sure novel. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Sounds good. I've got the other to like queued up already. So we've got a couple of weeks of leeway before we got to jump in a 2003. All right, cool, but not cold Thanksgiving episode. We can do a special Thanksgiving episode. Yeah. All right. See you later, I guess.

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