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Parcast Classic: Tarrare Pt. 1

Unexplained Mysteries

41:16 min | 10 months ago

Parcast Classic: Tarrare Pt. 1

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We thank you for your understanding your support and of course fearless and then you allow us to do what we love and were extremely extremely grateful. Thank you again for your time. Please check parkas social media for more updates due to the graphic nature in descriptions of this mystery listener discretion is advised. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. Your stomach growls. The urge is irresistible. Your hunger controls you. You eat anything you get your hands. On CATS PUPPIES ROCKS FORKS. Human Flesh your capacity for consumption it becomes so notable the government seeks to use you for military espionage. All Your Life you have known this hunger and every day you wonder. Is this a blessing or a curse? This was the experience of an eighteenth century. French glutton known only as Terrar- his story is found in a small chapter of Surgeons Memoir Memoir About Poly Faiza in three short pages. The surgeon details the grotesque life of a man whose appetite drove him to eat the unthinkable his life tale so short and so remarkable it forces us to ask was he a man or a myth in life. There's so much we don't know but in this podcast we don't take. We don't no for an answer every week. We investigate the greatest mysteries of history and life on earth. Welcome to unexplained mysteries from the podcast network. I'm your host Richard and I'm your host molly. You can listen to previous episodes of unexplained mysteries as well as all of par casts other shows. Wherever you listen to podcasts. A NEW EPISODE COMES OUT EVERY THURSDAY. You can also find us on facebook and Instagram at podcast on twitter at Parkas network and at PODCAST DOT com. Some of. You have been asking us how you can help. Support the show. Well if you enjoy the PODCAST. The best way to support us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. This is our first episode on Terrar- The eating machine of France and his life as a showman soldier and spy the modernism terrar- sounds like the stage. Name of an actor or performer. Like Cher or Madonna however while terrar- was a performer. His life was a far cry from the glamorous lives of modern day. Celebrities public awareness of TERRAR- story. I originated from the medical memoirs of an eighteenth century French surgeon. Pierre Francois Percy this brief biography on terrar- made its way onto the pages of curiosities of medical experience in eighteen o four and appeared again in the eighteen nineteen edition of the London. Medical and physical journal. Dr Percy was terrar- primary physician. It's through the doctor's personal accounts that we are able to form an idea of what terrar- was like terrar- described as small and slender despite his ceaseless eating he remained slender throughout his life at seventeen years old. He only weighed one hundred pounds. He looked weak and sickly with wispy blonde hair and sallow cheeks. His mouth was huge with thin lips. He had yellow streak teeth and molars that had been worn away from such frequent use. His jaw four inches wide open to a gaping esophagus. Unlike anything people had seen before. What kind of condition could terrar- have had that would have caused this? Was He truly one of a kind or people from history similarly cursed with this hunger next week will explore theories including diabetes hyperthyroidism traumatic brain injury. But first we need to dive into the reports about terrar- winter ours. Stomach was empty. The skin around his belly could be stretched around his waist when he was full his stomach distended out like a large inflated balloon. Perfect for a child's birthday party Percy describe Toronto's horrible intestinal issues frequent belching and ceaseless flatulence. It was said that a hot vapor radiated from his body and he was constantly drenched in sweat. Terrar- stench was so strong. It was reported his presence quote could not be endured within the distance of twenty paces. End Quote Dr. Percy's descriptions gives us reason to think this man's name was not really terrar- it was likely a nickname rumor to come from the French phrase for explosions or passing gas bomb bomb terrar-. I wonder if he enjoyed that nickname. Well he may not have thought about it much. Despite his bizarre physical appearance and attributes terrar- personality was relatively bland he was devoid of thought and unmotivated outside of his ceaseless hunger many speculate. The doctor Percy exaggerated his descriptions. Of terrar- Doctor Percy was in his fifties while he was writing about terrar- practically his twilight years by seventeen hundred standards. It's possible that the doctor's memories were clouded in his old age. Still Terrar- stories truly fascinating. Every explanation for tours. Appetite is purely based in speculation because terrar- died over two hundred years ago. Even modern medical science can never fully explain what caused his condition. Much terrar- life story is also missing from the historical records. We don't know much about his personal life or even his real name. We don't even know where he might have been buried with. Most of his life shrouded in mystery. We can only tell a small portion of his life story. Terrar- was born in Leone. France in the year seventeen seventy to his childhood was normal for the time apart from his incredible appetite. Modern theorists speculate that terrar- appetite could have been caused by some form of brain trauma early in his life. Certain kinds of traumatic brain injuries can increase a person's appetite. So it's possible that this was the case for Terrar- Although we have no way of proving or disproving this theory whatever caused Harare's Voracious. We do know that by the time terrar- was seventeen. He could devour a quarter of a cow in a single day. On average. That's over a hundred pounds of tours. Appetite was financially unsustainable for the peasantry at the time and his parents kicked him out while he was a preteen. That must have been an awkward conversation with no money to feed himself. Terrar- took to begging for food. He ate whatever scraps people gave him but that was never enough to satisfy him. He start foraging for anything that was edible and he soon developed a taste for any stray animals that wandered his way. He befriended stray cats and dogs. Keeping them around as pets until it was time to consume them. He loved the taste of snakes and even went so far as to chew on their long spiny bones. Sometimes he would even capture a snake and swallow it whole feeling. It wriggled down his throat. To It's unpleasant demise as he wandered the French countryside. He made a meager living traveling with thieves and sex workers he would entertain his traveling companions by eating any strange item. They would give him like pebbles wood chips or coins. Terrar- saw his traveling companions grow fascinated with his abilities and he realized he might be able to monetize his hunger. A traveling sideshow passed by him on the road and he demonstrated his congestive prowess to prove his worth. The street. Performers were so impressed by Terrar- strange talents that they made him. The show's opener still a teenager. Terrar- traveled with the performers from Leone to Peres tarare thrived on the streets of Paris. He displayed the size of his gaping mouth and boasted that he could consume anything. Be It animal vegetable or mineral. He challenged the public to supply something. He could not eat eager to watch his massive Gullit work. The public presented him with a basket full of apples. Undaunted terrar- grabbed an apple and put the entire thing in his mouth. The public was already impressed but the show was far from over. Terrar- grabbed another apple and another his cheeks bulged out from the sides of his face but he didn't stop until he had pocketed twelve apples in each cheek. Twenty four apple's total. The crowd was shocked by the size of Terrar- mouth and they were stunned when he began to swallow like the snakes that terrar- love to dine on. He unhinged his jaw and his asaf is stretched as he swallowed. Twenty four apples all at once. The audience was blown away and they couldn't wait to see more. They tested him with all manner of things bringing him. Everything from corks flints pebbles anything they could get their hands on terrar- would eat everything they brought in. When the audience was finally satisfied he would let out along Disgusting Belch. His belly protruded out like a balloon and his eyes glazed over. Think of him as an extreme version of the average person on Thanksgiving after every show terrar- suffered from frequent gas and terrible diarrhea for hours at a time. For the most part he accepted this as a fact of life the inevitable consequence of his voracious appetite in seventeen eighty eight. When terrar- was sixteen years old? He found himself in exceptional pain. After a particularly long show he sought help at the hospital. Hotel do Deepali head surgeon. Monsieur giraud diagnosed two rar with an intestinal obstruction. Terrar- was prescribed powerful laxative. It took a few hours but you can imagine what eventually happened while he was recovering. Terrar- began to joke with monsieur. Jarreau he told you. He was willing to demonstrate his street act by swallowing his gold. Watch and chain is you. Row was less than enthused and responded very curtly that if terrar- dared swallow it he would happily slice him open with a sword to get it back meatless to say to ride did not swallow the Surgeons Watch and he was released from the hospital with a clean bill of health. Terrar- return to performing on the streets of Paris gaining a moderate level of fame all the while revolution swelled in the streets of Paris. Paris was in the throes of a violent radical shift from a monarchy to a republic King Louis. The sixteenth of France inherited the throne at a time of instability. In seventeen seventy five Louis was inexperienced in politics and isolated from the common man in his lavish burst thy Palace. He and his queen the famed marie-antoinette spend exorbitant sums of money in a time of severe financial and Economic Crisis Famine and taxation drove the French people to great anger inspired by the American revolution. The people believed it was time to change the face of French governance forever with the coming conflict. Terrar- is life would also be forever changed up next. We'll see how terrar- survived. The French Revolution are cast listeners. We have some exciting news. Crime Junkies Ashley. Flowers has a weird and wild new podcast original series. I think you'll really love. It's called supernatural with Ashley. Flowers and you can find brand new episodes every Wednesday. We all know that most mysteries can be solved by looking at the facts but sometimes the facts don't lead to a logical explanation and the truth lies somewhere in the unknown in supernatural with Ashley. Flowers Ashley takes a deep dive into the strange and surreal to explain some of the world's most bizarre true crime occurrences each week. She'll dig into a different crime or mystery where the most fitting theory isn't the most conventional from exorcisms to unsolved murders to alien abductions. Ashley will take on. The tails challenge the unexplained and dissect the facts were the heavy helping of skepticism and rationale. So are you ready to get to the bottom of history's most peculiar events? Follows supernatural with Ashley Flowers. Free on spotify over ever. You get your podcasts now. Back to the story. The French Revolution began in earnest on July fourteenth. Seventeen eighty nine with the famed storming of the best deal. The best deal was a fortress prison and armory and French. Revolutionaries tore apart the structure brick by brick arming themselves to tear down their entire government. Terrar- very likely witnessed the uprising firsthand. But we'll never know if he took part. The revolution lasted three years. King Louis the sixteenth in Queen marie-antoinette were forced to sign a new constitution on September. Twenty second seventeen ninety two forming the French first republic. The king and queen were summarily executed by Guillotine to ensure the republic's continued survival. The new French constitution's stated a separation of powers and was intended to turn the monarchy into equalised branches of government limit the powers of government and retain the rights of French citizens to liberty equality and fraternity. The initial constitution would fail as France would continue to rise and political turmoil. For years to come. Francis instability looked like a prime opportunity for foreign nations to attack a weakened France and in seventeen ninety two the war of the first coalition broke out between France and several other nations including the Austrian Empire and Prussia. The French army grew desperate for recruits to stem the tide of foreign aggression. Toronto joined the army shortly after the war started perhaps he was caught up in the Brotherhood of French. Patriotism More likely. He was lured by the promise of guaranteed rations. However terrar- never saw any combat during his time in the army. His time in the army was spent doing small jobs for his fellow soldiers in exchange for their rations but he soon fell sick. Due to extreme hunger healthy or not terrar- was accustomed to consuming large quantities of food as part of his street act. The meagre rations of struggling army could not sustain his monstrous appetite. He was often found digging through the garbage hunting for scraps. Burned out. Hungry and devoid of energy. Terrar- was sent to the Military Hospital in suits all wrong where he was diagnosed with exhaustion. It was at this hospital. That terrar- would meet Dr Percy. His friend and future biographer. Dr Pierre Francois Percy was a renowned military surgeon. After studying medicine he joined the army where he created a core mobile surgery unit that would carry nursing staff and medical equipment to the wounded on the battlefield arguably you could say he invented the. First ambulance doctor. Percy was also the first doctor to provide medical care. Regardless of the soldiers country of origin planting the seeds for organizations like the Red Cross. He was a brilliant surgeon known as a father of military medicine and was awarded high honors from Napoleon himself. His reputation was spotless. In addition to Dr Percy terrar- would meet Dr Cuvee. You another doctor. Who WOULD EXPERIMENT? On him Dr Percy does not provide a first name for Dr Cordial and his memoirs so there is no way to track down this second medical eyewitness account to Toronto's incredible feats of consumption. Dr Core veal and Dr Percy put to roar on four times the normal daily rations to try and revive him from his exhaustion. But it wasn't enough. Terrar- was found scavenging for additional sustenance in the hospitals trash piles. After eating his quadruple rations. Maybe he just really liked trash either way. The hospital staff grew used to restraining him. In order to stop him from looking through the hospital trash bins and gutters. He ate whatever food was left over from other patients. Sometimes growing so desperate he would sneak into the apothecary and eat the poultices terrar- even eight alive cat in front of one of the hospital. Chief Surgeons Dr Lawrence. He tore open the kitties belly and slurped up. Its blood then. Pick THE FLESH OFF. Its body leaving nothing but a skeleton behind roughly a half hour after eating terrar- hacked up the remains of the furs similar to an owl pellet. If that wasn't enough terrar- was presented with a live eels which he swallowed whole but not before crushing. Its head between his teeth. Doctor Percy writes quote all the domestic and wild animals. The most filthy and ravenous are capable of devouring and form some idea of the appetite. As well as the wants of Terrar- TERRAR- hunger could not be sated. Doctor Percy Dr Corneille and Dr Lawrence decided to test the limits of his consumption. Dr Lawrence set out a large dinner enough to feed fifteen German workmen. The dinner was comprised of four bowls of curdled. Milk and two enormous hard puddings. It was a common dish for regular citizen of the Eighteenth Century and in today's world it's the equivalent of cottage cheese and a bread based hard cake. Terrar- devoured it all shortly after terrar- consumed the massive feast. The doctors observed that his usually limp stomach. Flab was now a distended inflated gut finally full Terrar- crawled back into his bed and slept until the next day terrar- exhibited binge eating behavior. Unlike anything witnessed before more amazing was the fact that he was able to repeatedly gorge without ever gaining pound. Well we don't know exactly why terrar- was able to eat as much as he did. There are several theories that explore how to ours appetite could be so endless. Terrar- had documented medical condition called Poly Faiza or excessive hunger. Paulie Faiza is a symptom of larger medical issues and includes people who suffer from hyperthyroidism brain damage and proper Willy's syndrome. Prouder Willy's syndrome is genetic condition that affects multiple parts of the body. People with broader. Willy's syndrome are often short in stature with weak muscle tone and they suffer. Intellectual impairment bear often characterized with fair skin and light colored hair. People with potter. Willy's syndrome are always obese. Terrar- had fair skin and light hair. But as we've said before he was notably a slender man knowing what we know about the French economy. Nutrition was not easy to come by. Terrar- often scavenged for food and eight. Things that were not meant to be eaten. He could potentially have undiagnosed Prater Willy's syndrome but that's only one of the many possibilities that could explain his unbelievable feats hyperthyroidism could also be the cause of Toronto's extreme hunger. Unlike prouder Willie hyperthyroidism matches more physiological characteristics of TERRAR- hyperthyroidism is a condition with a wide range of symptoms making it complex to diagnose. This condition exists. When a person's thyroid gland produces too much thyroxine hormone and results in an accelerated. Metabolism symptoms include sudden weight. Loss increased appetite sweating changes in bowel movements sensitivity to heat fatigue. Thinning skin and fine brittle hair. Well this sounds a lot like terrar- case other symptoms of Thyroiditis do not match like I- problems or mood changes or anxiety and irritability therese condition was too imprecise to diagnose so Dr Percy saw fit to leave terrar- diagnosis as simply Paulie Faiza. As the months stretched on the military began to ask when TERRAR- would return to service however Dr Review was not yet done testing this medical marvel. Dr Cornfields next experiment tested. How well tour actually digested food. He speculated that Toronto Digestion was too violent to fully dissolve. Whatever he ate reveal managed to convince terrar- to swallow a small box with parchment paper inside hoping to rise. Digestive tract wouldn't damage the contents. If the parchment survived this mindless eating machine might have some use. After all correal's hunch was correct. After two days of waiting terrar- emerged from the latrine with the box fully intact and the document legible and in Good Condition Korea was ecstatic happier than any person had ever been while looking at. Oh you know. He went to see the army commander. General Bo Harney to discuss a plan. That might help the French military general. Alexandra Depot Harney. A was a political figure in general in the French Revolutionary Wars. He was named General in Chief of the army of the Rhine in seventeen ninety three and played a vital role in the ongoing battles around French borders at the time. Correal told General Boho Rene about her ours wooden box experiment. Bohara name was intrigued and he called for Terrar- to Redo the experiment in front of several. High ranking officers of the French army to Rar loved the attention and willfully swallowed the box again. The officers were impressed with terrar- and they thanked him with a wheelbarrow full of thirty pounds of raw bowl liver and lungs. It seems weird that they would have that just lying around. I'm sure the other soldiers were just so happy to see terrar- be rewarded with so much. Food Terrar- chow down and officers watched in disgust as flex of raw flesh splattered out of his maw. This gave the general pause. The gluttonous display implied that terrar- would be unable to turn down a bribe of food and Terrar- himself displayed little interest in a career in espionage. Actually he displayed little interest in a career in anything. Except eating the general Foutah terrar- might be untrustworthy. But he decided to put the unusual large mouth man to work regardless at some point in his early twenties two Rar was fully titled. As a spy of the army of the Rhine. His first mission was to deliver a secret extremely important letter to colonel imprisoned by the Prussians Terrar- task was to repeat the wooden box experiment with much higher stakes. He would sneak into enemy. Lines infiltrate their prison camp and find the imprisoned. Colonel once he found the colonel terrar- would for the box and pass on its contents. The colonel would write his reply. Place it in the box and have terrar- consumed once more to carry it back safely. To the general. The general wrote his note placed it in the box and sent terrar- on his first mission he was defined the colonel in. Neustadt a town three hundred ten miles away from Paris. Terrar- disguised himself as a peasant and went on his way terrar- fed himself like he did when he was a child eating stray animals and other wildlife that he could get his hands on however this proved not be enough to rar had grown accustomed to eating limitless amounts of food in the name of Science. His resolve was already beginning to weaken yet. He continued he made it all the way to the Prussian border. And in the dead of night he crossed enemy lines. He traveled quickly by night sleeping during the day for several days. He successfully avoided conflict until he hit a single snag in his plan. One of the locals trying to talk to him in German terrar- ignored the local but it became painfully evident. That he simply couldn't speak German. The local quickly turned to our over to the PRUSSIAN. Military Terrar- had actually managed to make it past halfway to his intended destination before he was captured. Once captured the Prussians were determined to learn what his secret mission was. They Strip searched him and flogged him. They wanted him to talk. Perhaps surprising to everyone involved. Terrar- refused to confess. The PRUSSIANS TURNED. Harar over to the commander of the PRUSSIAN Army. General Zogu Louis. Zogu Lee was a fierce man known as a skilled interrogator. He escalated his tactics from flogging to outright torture within twenty four hours of Zogu Lee's involvement terrar- broke down and confessed. He told soberly everything about his mission and the secret box. Zogu Lee was perplexed by Terrar- story. It was so outlandish. That wasn't convinced that such a thing was possible. Terrar- assured him that it was and he could prove it if Zogu lay was simply willing to wait zogby chained terrar- to an outhouse and everybody waited to see what would happen after thirty hours terrar- past the box in some stories terrar- was so dedicated to his mission. He managed to eat the box from his own excrement before the pressure inside. This additional detail might add just a touch of heroism to terrar- tail. Unless you consider the more likely possibility that he was just so hungry by this point that he was willing to eat. Well anything regardless. Eventually the box was taken by the PRUSSIAN generals. Oh Gli the French General Bohara may deliberately did not tell her are what note he was carrying. Barney had little faith and Toronto's ability to control his hunger and Bo Harney worried. Terrar- would easily be persuaded to reveal military secrets. In the end. You was right in place of a real message of military intelligence. The general wrote a simple message asking the colonel to respond if he had received the message it was essentially an intestinal are as vp one. Soberly read the note. He was so furious that he be terrar- and almost hanged him before. Finally sending him back to France. Terrar- was too pathetic to execute but also too costly defeat if he'd been kept as a prisoner upon his return to France in the seventeen ninety s terrar- decided he was done risking his life. Terrar- return Dr Percy for Free Food and more experiments but terrar- would soon take experimental behaviors way too far terrar- hunger was so great that soon animals weren't enough for him. He would become possessed by a hunger for human flesh. Up Next will explore terrar- cannibalism now back to the story in the mid seventeen ninety s terrar- returned to Paris and immediately went to Dr Percy. He desperately wanted to be cured of his hunger. He was tired of it ruling his life and he was tired of the military trying to use him. Because of it. Dr Percy was more than willing to continue experimenting drawers. Appetite had maintained its novelty and the doctor had actually grown fond of Harare. After all the time they spent together Dr Percy set to work with the list of new remedies to try and cure tours. Appetite at first terrar- swallowed different kinds of acids to stop his stomach from digesting too quickly. The theory was that if Dr Percy could slow down to ours digestion. He could slow down to rise appetite as well. Dr Percy didn't specify which acids were used in these methods but we can speculate from eighteenth century medical books that salicylic acid or modern day. Aspirin was used. Another plausible candidate would be sulfuric acid. A common remedy defy weight-loss symptoms of scurvy either way the acid did not suppressed to ours appetite for long next terrar- was given small doses of opium. In order to reduce his hunger pains. He enjoyed the opium as any normal person would but it ultimately failed to cure his hunger problems. Next doctor Percy Fed terrar- tobacco pills. We can speculate doctor. Percy prescribed tobacco pills as a means to dull terrar- sense of taste and smell in theory. This would make food less appealing and helped her are eat less. But the tobacco didn't work either in one final test Dr Percy's prescribed a small feast of Levin. Tyne soft boiled eggs. He had read a case. Report stating that the Middle Eastern eggs were a powerful appetite. Suppressant somewhat out of character. Terrar- was not interested in eating copious amounts of eggs. To curious. Hunger and Percy doesn't tell us why in the daylight terrar- worked with Dr Percy to find a solution but at night terrar- snuck out to feed terrar- was getting worse and he grew more desperate to find things that would satiate him at night in the back. Alleys of Paris terrar- battled with dogs for scraps in the streets and gutters he dug through the trash piles behind butcher shops looking for unused meats and organs. It still wasn't enough. Terrar- became so hungry so desperate that he started looking at his fellow patients as food. Doctors found him alone in other patients rooms while patients were being leached or cut for bloodletting terrar- stood by the bedside and drank their blood in the dead of night. Terrar- would sneak out of his bedroom to the hospital's morgue he began eating leftover body parts from the corpses often feasting on human flesh until morning. The hospital staff grew fearful of Terrar- and many insisted that he should be committed to an asylum. Doctor Percy however was still insistent that he could cure for our and was determined to treat him for the sake of their friendship. The hospital staff reluctantly kept him around. Terrar- soon overstayed his welcome. One morning in seventeen ninety four a fourteen month old child disappeared from his hospital bed. There was nowhere. The child could have gone and nobody who could have taken him. No one except terrar- doctor Percy could not and would not defend terrar- against the accusations of child murder and cannibalism that followed the hospital staff finally drove to our out. Nothing is known about terrar- life over the next four years it's assumed that terrar- up horned behavior continued as he wandered the streets of Paris. But there's no way to know for sure however four years after our was kicked out of the hospital in seventeen ninety eight. He found himself hospitalized. Once again Dr Teissier. The chief surgeon at a hospital in Versailles wrote to Dr Percy saying a man named Terrar- was asking to see him. Dr Percy immediately traveled to Versailles. He arrived to discover. The terrar- was so sick. He could hardly walk. Terrar- was convinced that his illness was due to a gold fork lodged somewhere in his body although his symptoms said otherwise Dr Percy recognized. The terrar- was in the last stages of tuberculosis already. Slim Physique had worsened weight loss. In general loss of appetite or common symptoms of tuberculosis. Also known as TB. Tb is a serious bacterial infection that affects the lymph nodes while people usually associate the disease with horrible hacking coughs. Terrar- appeared to be suffering from gastrointestinal to Urculo gastrointestinal. Tb is an infection of the organs in the abdominal region like the stomach and intestines symptoms of Gastrointestinal TB include rapid weight loss anorexia diarrhea vomiting and abdominal ulcers. Tb is highly contagious. It spreads through the air and infects the organs. It comes in contact with gastrointestinal. Tuberculosis is caused from ingestion of infected. Bodily fluid like Mucus or saliva given terrar-. We'd eat anything. He could have eaten leftover food of an infected person or even an infected body terrar- infection could also shed some light on where he was in a year. Spent away from Dr Percy. He might have gone back to St performing and one of his fellow performers might have exposed him to the disease. Terrar- also could have gone to another hospital and became infected while trying to seek treatment for his hunger. Perhaps that is how he ended up at the hospital at Versailles terrar- stayed in the hospital with Dr Percy and Dr Teissier for one month before he succumbed to fetid diarrhoea and died in seventeen ninety eight he was only twenty six years old. Terrar- body decomposed quickly. It produced a stench so vile the more doctors refused to dissect his body. Dr Teissier decided to the smell and dissect. Harar himself to see if he had actually swallowed a fork. Terrar- had claimed that the fork was made of gold or APPS. Dr Teissier was also trying to make a little extra cash on the side. Perhaps indeed teissier began his investigation at Toronto's Mouth. He opened the jaws and found. He could see straight down into terrar- stomach as if the man's a sophist was some kind of telescope. The windpipe was abnormally large in size. Compared to a regular man's teissier then cat open to ours abdomen. The digestive track took up almost all of the abdominal cavity pushing his other organs against one of the walls of his body. The doctors were dumbfounded. None of them had ever seen anything like this before. His body was filled with disgusting pus. And his liver and gallbladder were incredibly over sized. The doctors cut open to our stomach and confirmed that he had died of gastro intestinal tuberculosis. The large using ulcers were a clear indicator the terrar- was infected with the deadly disease by this point in the examination. Tirana's cadaver was so putrid. Dr Teissier could not continue the autopsy. He was unable to find the fork with so much mystery surrounding the details of his life. We never really know who terrar- was all we know are the events provided by the doctor who examined him. Because Dr Percy is the only person to have written down any account of Terrar- life terrar- story feels more like a tall tale than a scientific study of an actual person. However Dr Percy had no reason to exaggerate a medical case like ours. Terrar- likely did exist but was ignored by other doctors. Extreme Hunger to the point of cannibalism would have scared most doctors away. Terrar- certainly appeared more mentally unstable than physically ill centuries later. Terrar- remains shrouded in mystery. Modern medicine can pose new theories to why terrar- could not stop eating but without more detailed records to ours. Condition is lost to time next week. We'll compare to ours. Life to the life of Charles Dhammachari oppression soldier with an eerily similar condition could examining his case. Reveal the truth about terrar- we'll also take a closer look at exactly what disease may explain to ours. Excessive eating behaviors. If you're looking for more unexplained mysteries you can find us as well as all of park has other podcasts on Apple podcasts Stitcher spotify. Google play cast box or your favorite podcast directory. You can also find us on facebook and Instagram as at podcast and twitter at podcast network many listeners. Ask How to help the show if you enjoy the show. The best way to do that is to leave a five star review next Thursday and remember never take widow. No for an answer. Unexplained mysteries was created by Max. Cutler is a production of cutler media. And as part of the podcast network it's produced by Max Ron Cutler sound designed by Russell Nash With Production Assistance by Ron Shapiro and Paul Moller Additional Production Assistance by Maggie admire and Carly Madden unexplained. 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Introducing Charged: A True Punishment Story

Slate's Whistlestop

29:44 min | 1 year ago

Introducing Charged: A True Punishment Story

"Hello whistle-stop listeners. I'm working away on new episode deep down in the minds. But I'm here to give you something special. In the meantime, it's the first episode of charge. The new narrative podcast miniseries from our dear friend and colleague, Emily Baz LAN for more than a year, Emily has been reporting on a special gun court in Brooklyn that was designed to fast-track gun possession charges and be a speedy machine for harsh punishment. And while she was reporting something interesting happened the politics outside the courtroom started to change a new generation of activists insiders started challenging the old system show, really dives into the current shifting ideas. About criminal Justice, charged tells you not only compelling human story, but it also poses the big tough questions that are at the center of our national conversation about reform. What exactly makes someone a criminal? Can you ever really outrun that label of being called a criminal? And if you're going to take apart the machine we've built in America to punish people. Well, what he replace it with? I hope you like. The show as much as I do to get the full series subscribed to charged in its own feed. You can find links to do that in the description of the podcast or a description of this podcast. I should say or just search for charged in your favorite podcast app. Okay. Here's episode one of charged. I hope you enjoy. Are bit of housekeeping before we get started this podcast is a co production of slate and the appeal a new publication about the Justice system, and it's a companion to my new book also called charged and available wherever you buy books. Okay. Thanks for listening. Here's the show. It's an elementary rule of politics any elected mayor has to have the police on their side. But from the day Bill de Blasios took his seat at city hall in New York, his relationship with the police went from bad to worse to catastrophic first Blasios cut way back on the practice of stop and frisk. The cops favorite tool for shaking down people on the street, then a white officer killed an unarmed. Black man on a Staten Island sidewalk that death rocked the city. Thousands of protesters took to the streets demanding Justice for the death of Eric garner. At least thirty Blasios blamed the tragedy on his words. A history of racism every New York cop fell implicated next Blasios went on TV and said he'd warned his biracial son to be very careful around the police. So now, it was personal. When two officers were laid are gunned down and murdered in their patrol car. There are funeral smouldered with anger to Blasios stood to speak and rows and rows of cops turned their backs on him hundreds of police officers turning away as the mayor of New York City speaks to police were in open revolt. Here's the head of their union. Patrick lynch. On many hands tonight that blood on the hands starts on the steps of city hall in the office of the mayor. We all set. I'll take silence acquiescence. Yes. Exactly. Get us going year later, the top of the NYPD gathered around the mayor at city hall for a press conference. And now they couldn't get close enough on TV. It looked like the political version of a group hug de Blasios ate it up. I want the people in New York City to realize these are the people keep you safe everyday all in one room. How did he'll pull it off? It was actually a nifty bit of political. Maneuvering the mayor came up with a way to make the cops happy that would also please as liberal base. The answer to his troubles was his version of gun control. A tremendous step forward in our work to drive down crime in this city right here right now, we're doing something that will get guns off the streets. Keep them off the streets. Get those who use guns to prison where they belong to Blasios plan was an all out war on simple gun possession. Every case over and done in six months, and most importantly whenever. For possible long stretches in prison. If you pick up a gun, you will suffer the consequences? I think it's as simple as that the cops love this idea. And progressives went for it to they saw it as a tough-minded solution for violence. Here's Ken Thompson Brooklyn's first African American district attorney over year ends upon thousands of people murdered with guns throughout on nation from Brownsville to the south side of Chicago to the parishes of New Orleans. So we stand here today because this is a very important initiative that we're going to roll out with a dedicated court to handle gun cases in Brooklyn, they call this new place gun court. For the last three years, I've been working on a book about criminal Justice. And I spent a lot of time in gun court on the nineteenth floor of Brooklyn's baked courthouse. I got to know the defendants who are sitting on the benches. They were almost all young black man and right away. I noticed something I didn't expect the cops more than sending the most dangerous shooters in New York to gun court. They were sending the people who were the easiest to arrest. Then I noticed something else. The young men in gun court didn't just surrender to the system. They maneuvered around it in often brilliant ways, meanwhile, outside the courtroom activists all over the country were also maneuvering they were trying to dismantle America's machine punishment, but they were up against the same forces as the young man, I was talking to on the benches. So gun court became a test of power and also of the very nature of crime and punishment in America. We're going to tell you the stories of some of these young men searching for a way out. And also of the people trying to take apart America's machine of punishment and wrestling with what to put in its place. I'm Emily Baz lawn. And this is charged the true punishment story inside New York's gun court. I want you to be to people who helped me understand this very particular moment in criminal Justice. Their names are Eric terrar-. They were born in the same neighborhood, but in different eras twenty-five years apart, they both dealt with the streetlife growing up of gangs, and fights and guns, but one of them wound up with real power and the other ended up in real trouble. Royal from Williamsburg, Brooklyn, an I'm twenty four years old and the first two years after gun court opened eight hundred fifty one people went through it terrar-. I was one of the first he's a hip hop. Artist music was his OAC's even before he was born. Here's his mom the Linda when I got pregnant with him. I was in a park one day in. I don't remember what song listen to. But it was a nice on. He was just a little too active in me. And I just put the headphones on my stomach. He stopped moves like he was listening and. I was I think I'm onto something. So I just kept doing it. The headphones kept working their magic long after I was born. So his mom kept using them. So a mom seem yacht Lee. When night I was reading a book on Bevis than biz. So she just put headphones on me and say, hey, listen to music loves novel into music like that I, but when she did that for the first time like Saudi getting into it. So. Dries grandfather melinda's dad was actually in a do op group called the dubs. It hit the top forty charts in nineteen fifty seven with the song. Linda, played her dad's recordings for terrarium an honest zone. He found all kinds of music. Have you ever heard of re Rigo Leto Alice's listened to older music artists? Felt it end at one song popped up. And I'm like. Such as does what about favorite songs? I don't know. Why? Air kansallis are second kid born in Brooklyn. He grew up a generation before terrarium only, fifteen blocks away ex mother came to New York from Puerto Rico. She raised him on our own worked multiple jobs. So Eric spent a lot of time with his extended family growing up in the nineteen eighties was an especially violent time in Brooklyn. So Eric had to stick up for himself was about five seven five eight middle school. So it was big enough Tulum off I was free with my hands. I would fight if I needed to fight. I remember I was walking. And I had a nice pair of white on white poolice. They were sweet. And I love them. I would cleaning with a toothbrush, and I was walking in the, you know. I heard these guys saying, let's get his sneakers so Iran, they caught up to me, and he was like three of them we fought, and we fought and we fought and you'd see kids often on the train with this. You know, only with their socks and. Yeah. I was determined that. I was not going to walk home barefoot. Explanations were scuffed and dirty by the end of that fight. But they made it home on his feet. Try it got into fights too. But by eighth grade also figured out how to entertain everyone one day. A teacher heard him rapping in the lunchroom and told him to sign up for the talent show to perform in front of everyone the whole school. It just made me hype. Like, I didn't miss a B day. Miss a word. I'll feel like I was I was in the BT awards or something here in order claps and everybody hugging me. Or the girls coming towards me and stuff. He felt it felt amazing. Actually after that song on it was it was a parent teacher conference in a by just around my mother, like his son. It's amazing. I'm good too. I was so wonderful. I didn't know that he can do this because he was very shy in school. So they didn't know that. He would just pop out like this even children around him that he really didn't open up to and get long day was all terrarium. It was so happy. Built like I'll famous at that time. Built the paid. When Eric was an eighth grade. He went to check out his local high school a bunch of times every time I went to visit it. There was always some kind of fight those gang violence under the school. Every time I went to three or four times. And I was in the east grade to take a look at it. And every time I said, well, this place is terrible. So he found out about another school on the other side of Brooklyn when it went to visited had a campus. They were people from all over Brooklyn their kids playing frisbee a lawn Atkin rolled in that school. And now he was on the subway for more than an hour each way his life split into two parts his new high school during the day and his old neighborhood at night and their the issues on the street were still the same. I had been with people walking down the street who were carrying guns in. They were friends that wasn't interested in that. I I was around it all the time. One time. I was with a person who used to call my cousin went to his house every day as a child, you know, a mother babysat him. I was with him one day, I prayed sophomore junior in high school, and he says, hey, you wanna come to Coney Island with me? And I'm not sure chip didn't go the way our thought it would his friend met up with another guy. And the next thing I knew he was on a side street in the middle of a massive deal. I had never seen a bag of drugs that lodge, and I was really pissed at him. And he was like what do you know? What's the big deal? You didn't touch the money on the drugs. Like nothing would have happened to you. And it was like I don't want to go to jail, man. This is not what I intend to do my life. He ultimately went to jail for selling drugs. They're caught down south got a fifteen year sentence. And so I had a separate myself from people that I was very close to. And it was a lot of friends like that. Went to a different kind of high school in two thousand nine there were no frisbees annot lawn. His charm and his music one. I'm friends and kept him safe. For awhile least. But one day in ninth grade, try was trying to take a test and a kid, you didn't know kept breaking his concentration by talking. They had words a few days later the same kid walked behind tour. I in class and smacked him on the head. They fought that day after school. Try was heading home on the subway with friends, we do trade, but I see boy gone to a fight with. He's in the group like amongst those those soon as the doors close or know of phys flying at me got jumped on the train, so my friend, he stopped. He's and I got up the tree my body's bruised up. 'cause I was protect them face to hold ta thinking about what it would be like to go back to school. Try made us decision. He knew who to talk to us from us cool tone. Listen like, can you get me on the sub the guns and stuff? I need a gun. He was like, I got you by days later called me and stuff, and what kind of gun was that producer? It was it was a revolver thirty eight. I know now I actually need protection. So now the Chari had his revolver. Here was a new puzzle. Where was it safe to keep below two gun? Always always hot it wouldn't into my mom's just in case Saint happened. Police crashing through the door and stuff they found a gun. Kepi? So wells that somewhere else was friends locker he was a basketball player. So he had loose stores room one night, try realized he'd never actually shot a gun before he needed training. So he turned to you YouTube found a video the children how to hold a gun and how to load it. And then he went up onto the roof of his apartment building for target practice shooting kids in Allah, just shoot in the air. Just to see how powerful was in to get the hang of it have to ever be scared 'cause to beyond is really wounded to you know, one to use a gun afterward. He used his flashlight on a cell phone to find where the casings had fallen onto the roof. He picked them up and stash them in his pocket. Just in case. Someone came. 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I met a lot of teenagers who talked like Tarare they said, they never fired a gun or only a few times for practice most hid their guns and also like to Ari almost never at home. They were as wary of the weapons as they were proud of having them. They said they got the guns for defence. Here's terai. A whole life like on small Vygon a lot of fights like, and I had nobody to protect me made basic second amendment arguments like it's a dangerous world, and you have to make tough decisions to survive in it. Here's another teenager. I met in gun court that also is vote. Rather gay quote with a gun and do two years Yotam than not get Colin? Dunn wanted being the gun. Started to seem to me like armor, the kids didn't really want. Added layer of security or or power having a gun in in in black and urban culture has been associated with having like power or clout or relevancy. That's condemn Gebze anatomy started reporting gun court. He was one of the advocates who work that borders on between the kids maneuvering in the streets and the cops enforcing the gun courts. No mandate. Good name knows that. There are plenty of illegal guns floating around New York City every year, the NYPD seizes around five thousand of them last year one hundred sixty one people were killed by hand guns. The politicians look at those deaths, and they see a crisis the for the kids could deem works with this is just the hazardous ocean. They swim in getting a gun for protection. It seems to make sense condemn tries to convince them otherwise hours challenge. Young people known is. Protection? Like this notion of f I have just file I'm like, Vincent all nothing's gonna happen to me. Right. And that's like that's false knows what he's talking about. He speaks from the experience of his own childhood. So when I was twelve when I got arrested for the first time for bringing gun to school started like being streets around eighty two because my mom was Dylan own issues games. Mom was struggling and she wasn't around much. So he felt he had to take care of siblings. He started selling drugs got caught a bunch of times long story show. Like, I ended up doing like five different bids from the time. I was twelve twenty two he told himself the same thing as Tarare and the other defendants he had a gun for defense. But even though you buy a gun for protection you almost never use. It that way. Podemo learn that in the hardest possible way are was shot when I was a kid, and I had a gun on me when I was shot. You didn't make me bulletproof. It's like I still got shot. An Eric near the end of high school. He had to figure out what to do next around that time. He read a book that changed his life bomb for the vanities bonfire of the vanities the Tom Wolfe novel from nineteen eighty-seven read the booking like one nine didn't go to sleep. And I was all in the story about a bond trader on Wall Street who gets arrested for a hit and run. The kills apar- blackhead. It's a morality play about high society brought low that's how I remember the book anyway, but it's not what Eric remembers what fascinated me by that book. These prosecutors had so much authority in discretion over what happened the people's lives and who got a second chance and who went to jail, and I think what that book did for me. Was it changed? My focus of what I wanted out of my life. What I wanted was to be a person who got to be a decision maker. Okay. I know this is going to sound kind of crazy. It was one book. But the way our tells it bonfire took him through college and through law school, he moved back to the same exact block where he grew up and he really did stick with his plan to become a prosecutor. He took a job in the Brooklyn DA's office, a work Acton talk about the fights. He got into growing up or about being around, drugs and guns. If that was publicly known in the DA's office. It would undermine me. Everybody thought it would be conflicted. I wasn't conflicted. But I did see the people who I was prosecuting until different lenses than my colleagues because I never felt that there was a separation between the me they were neighbors over the next twenty years. Eric worked his way up in the DA's office. He did just about every job. Then in twenty fourteen Brooklyn elected, Ken Thompson, member him, the broS first African American DA Thomson actually never worked in the office. He was taking over for his number two. He had to find some new understood the court system and the streets of Brooklyn Thompson knew exactly who he needed. Eric gonzalez. New Year's Eve when try was twenty got a call from a sister. She was at a party in queens and a guy there was hassling her. Such eichel. Say rape benign bite like she didn't feel comfortable with the boy just an appropriate touching. And so I went to go pick up and. One of the guys in me, like we'll shoot true one away we own way, t a hood trying to skim. Yup. Tirona sister got home and one of the same guy sent him a message on Facebook. And then the threats got real an in person. God came to my door would like they they had a gun on him when headed. On his waist that he was actually threatening in my head is like the Saint child's play and stuff. This is seriously endanger family tie Fash back something that had happened in his early childhood wasn't sure if you're a member that, but his family told him the story many times over the years with Joan on my head experienced a home invasion with on the shot through the door in the guys took me help a gun at my head that wasn't gonna happen. Again. Chari went out and got us gun. A couple nights later. He saw car circle around this neighborhood. It made him nervous. He made sure his gun was loaded protection. Lay? I when feel me all one of the L hit naked the following evening. Try was with a friend in the lobby of the friends apartment building try out his gun hidden under his hoodie. They called for a car. They were standing there. You can see it on the close circuit video exactly story describe. Cbs it. So we waited for the cab and is talking and stuff. The cab comes this friend walks out the door. Try starts to leave to just as two men dressed in regular clothes come up behind him a bar the exit and he turns around you'll stop. So they just charge towards meeting grabbing me of light. Whoa. Like was going on. I don't think in on being a victim of kidnap sign. The thing here a members is that his mailman was there a few feet away. Watching the whole thing. Go down with the got a gun on me. I'm trying to help light Jane's helping that's the mailman thing. Like James help me please the James couldn't really do much of anything. Neither could try the man pulled out their badges they were playing clothes detectives. They started wrestling him to the ground. Twisted. Turn it in the is charter like he's patting me down by all want him to fill the good. But it was big. So he just lift me up, and he just. Took the gun off by and there was over from. There are just new from nearly I'm going to jail. In the spring of twenty sixteen Ken Thomson, Eric's boss, called him into his office to tell him something Thomson had cancer. He told me that was the first person out set of his family. He was telling I was shocked because he was only forty nine when he told me a few months later Eric went to an event and for the first time in weeks. He saw Thompson dropped a lot of weight. And it was the first time people had seen them since two surgery. And he never came back from it. Thompsons death. Shook Eric they both wanted to make big changes and Thompson was also Eric's friend. They were just getting started on other plans. Now, it was all on him when he was really tough. It felt like we had so much that we had intended to do. I don't know like at that time. I didn't know what was going to happen. There was plenty of 'cause front certainty. Eric wasn't a politician outside of the Brooklyn courthouse Nord really heard of him. But he was Ken Thompson's guy and so weak after the funeral the governor chose him to finish out Thompson's term. Eric was now in charge of the Brooklyn DA's office, and he'd imagined when he read bonfire of the vanities all those years ago that many had real power. There's an old saying about prosecutors they can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich. They can also pretty much guarantee that someone goes to prison or they can agree to no jail time at all those choices were now effectively Eric's hands for the hundreds of defendants passing through gun court, and the tens of thousands and the rest of the system. Arkansas's was now in a position to shape. The futures of a lot of people who come up the way he had starting as the timing worked out with terrarium. Next week on charged. Try goes to Rikers island one of the most file jails in the country with no end in sight to get myself. Gotta get myself prepared for this locked up of the guys I'm little on the new guy. I'll know if I got enemies head trap. Chart was produced by Alvin mouth and written by me. Jack, hit is our senior editor mastering by merit. Jacob. If you wanna learn more about the issues raised in this show. I have a new book out. It's also called charged. Check it out wherever you buy books. Additional script editing for this episode by Vera, Lynn Williams, additional mixing by Chow to research and fact checking by will read editorial direction by Josh Levin and Gabriel Roth June Thomas is the managing producer of slate podcasts special, thanks to rob Smith. Sarah, Leonard Alice Whitlam HANA Rosen, David plots, Jake Halpern Jocelyn Frank Danielle Hewitt, be a Parker manual berry. Neil drumming TJ Rafael Lisa Larsson Walker and the wonderful Ryan McEvoy and Doug Forbush at the broadcast media center each week slate plus members get an additional episode of charged this week. 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"Hey, Kat listeners. This is Kyrie's longtime no chat, I'm here. Because I want to tell you about a podcast from journalist, Emily Basilan who is known for work in the New York Times, and as co host of slates political gab fest, and now she's produced a really great investigative podcast series called charged. And I think if you like caught your really gonna like this to for more than a year, Emily has been reporting on a gun court in Brooklyn that was designed to be speedy machine for harsh punishment, charged tells not only a compelling human story, but it also poses the big thorny questions at the center of our national conversation about criminal Justice reform, the same kinds of questions that we've been asking here on caught like what exactly makes someone a criminal? Can you ever really outrun that label and if you're going to take apart the machine we've built to punish people? What do you put it? It's place. I'm gonna play you. The first episode and after that to hear the full series searched for charged in your apple podcasts are wherever you. Listen. Thanks and enjoy. A bit of housekeeping before we get started this podcast is a co production of slate and the appeal a new publication about the Justice system, and it's a companion to my new book also called charged and available wherever you buy books. Okay. Thanks for listening. Here's the show. It's an elementary rule of politics any elected mayor has to have the police on their side. But from the day built a Blasios took his seat at city hall in New York, his relationship with the police went from bad to worse to catastrophic first Blasios cut way back on the practice of stop and frisk. The cops favorite tool for shaking down people on the street, then a white officer killed an unarmed. Black man on the Staten Island sidewalk that death rock the city. Thousands of protesters took to the streets demanding Justice for the death of Eric garner. At least thirty two Blasios blamed the tragedy on his words. A history of racism every New York cop fell implicated next Blasios went on TV and said he'd warned his biracial son to be very careful around the police. So now, it was personal. When two officers were laid are gunned down and murdered in their patrol car. Their funeral smouldered with anger to Blasios stood to speak and rows and rows of cops turned their backs on him hundreds of police officers turning away as the mayor of New York City speaks to police were in open revolt. Here's the head of their union. Patrick lynch. On many hands tonight that blood on the hands starts on the steps of city hall in the office of the mayor. We all set. I'll take silences acquiesce. Yes. Exactly. Get us going year later, the top of the NYPD gathered around the mayor at city hall for a press conference. And now they couldn't get close enough on TV. It looked like the political version of a group hug to Blasios ate it up. I want the people in New York City to realize these are the people keep you safe everyday all in one room. How did the Blasio pull it off? It was actually on nifty bit of political. Maneuvering the mayor came up with a way to make the cops happy that would also please his liberal base. The answer to his troubles was his version of gun control today. A tremendous step forward in our work to drive down crime in this city right here right now, we're doing something that will get guns off the streets. Keep them off the streets. Get those who use guns to prison where they belong to Blasios plan was an all out war on simple gun possession. Every case over and done in six months, and most importantly whenever. A possible long stretches in prison if you pick up a gun you will suffer the consequences. I think it's as simple as that the cops love this idea. I'm progressives went for it to they saw it as a tough-minded solution for violence. Here's Ken Thomson Brooklyn's first African American district attorney over year fells upon thousands of people emerged with guns throughout on nation from Brownsville to the south side of Chicago to the parishes of New Orleans. So we stand today because this is a very important initiative that we're going to roll out with a dedicated court to handle gun cases in Brooklyn, they call this new place got in court. For the last three years, I've been working on a book about criminal Justice. And I spent a lot of time in Goncourt on the nineteenth floor of Brooklyn's bay courthouse. I got to know the defendants who are sitting on the benches. They were almost all young black man and right away. I noticed something I didn't expect the cops more than sending the most dangerous shooters New York to Goncourt they were sending the people who were the easiest to arrest done in noticed something else. The young men in gun court didn't just surrender to the system. They maneuvered around it and often brilliant ways, meanwhile, outside the courtroom activists all over the country were also maneuvering they were trying to dismantle America's machina punishment. But they were up against the same forces as the young man, I was talking to on the benches. So gun court became a test of power and also of the very nature of crime and punishment in America. Tell you the stories of some of these young men searching for a way out and also of the people trying to take apart America's machine of punishment and wrestling with what to put in its place. I'm Emily Baz Basilan, and this is charged the true punishment story inside New York's gun court. I want you to be to people who helped me understand this very particular moment in criminal Justice. Their names are Eric terrar-. They were born in the same neighborhood, but in different eras twenty five years apart, they both dealt with the streetlife growing up of gangs, and fights and guns, but one of them wound up with real power and the other ended up in real trouble. When throwing from Williamsburg Brooklyn, and I'm twenty four years old and the first two years after gun court opened eight hundred fifty one people went through it Terai one of the first he's a hip hop. Artist music was his OAC's even before he was born. Here's his mom the Linda when I got pregnant with him. I was in a park one day in. I don't remember what song listen to. But it was a nice on. He was just a little too active me, and I just put the headphones on my stomach. He stopped moves like he was listening and. I was I think I'm onto something. So I just kept doing it. The headphones kept working their magic long after I was born. So his mom kept using them. So a mom seem. Yup. League. When night I was reading a book on the Bevis than biz. So she just put headphones on me and say, hey, listen to music while I was never into music like that first. But when she did that for the first time like authority getting into and stuff. Ties grandfather Belinda stat was actually an do op group called the dubs. It hit the top forty charts in nineteen fifty seven with the song. Linda, played her dad's recordings for terrarium an honest zone. He found all kinds of music. Have you ever heard of? Rigo Leto houses listened to older music artists felt the end at one song popped up and I'm like. What about favorite songs? I I don't know. Atkins Alice is our second kid born in Brooklyn, he up generation before Chari only, fifteen blocks away ex mother came to New York from Puerto Rico sh- raised to monitor own worked multiple jobs. So Eric spent a lot of time with his extended family growing up in the nineteen eighties was in a specially violent time in Brooklyn. So Eric had to stick up from self was about five seven five middle school. So big enough Tulum? Oh, I was free with my hands. I would fight if I needed to fight. I remember I was walking. And I headed nice pair of white on white plume as they were sweet. And I love them. I would clean with a toothbrush, and I was walking in the, you know. I heard these guys saying, let's get his sneakers so Iran, they caught up to me, and he was like three of them we fought, and we fought and we fought and you'd see kids often on the train with this only with their socks and. Yeah. I was determined that. I was not going to walk home barefoot. Explanations were scuffed in dirty by the end of that fight. But they made it home on his feet. Got into fights too. But by eighth grade also figured out how to entertain everyone one day. A teacher heard him rapping in the lunchroom and told him to sign up for the talent show to perform in front of everyone sees the whole school. It just made me hype. Like, I didn't miss a beat idea a word. Felt like I was I was in the BT awards or something here in order class and everybody hugging me. Or the girls coming towards me and stuff. It felt it felt amazing actually after that song on it was it was a parent teacher conference. And by just rounding my mother like his son. It's amazing to I was so wonderful. I didn't know that he can do this because he was very shy in school. So they didn't know that. He would just pop out like this even children around him that he really didn't open up to and get along. They was all terrarium too. So happy God. God built like I'll famous at that time. Built the paid. When Eric was an eighth grade. He went to check out his local high school a bunch of times every time I went to visit it there was always some kind of fight. There was gang violence on the school. Every time went to three or four times. And I was in the east grade to take a look at it. And every time I said, well, this place is terrible. So he found out about another school on the other side of Brooklyn went to visited had a campus. They were people from all over Brooklyn their kids playing frisbee a long egg and rolled in that school. And now he was on the subway for more than an hour each way his life split into two parts his new high school during the day and his old neighborhood at night and their the issues on the street were still the same. I had been with people walking down the street who were carrying guns in. They were friends that wasn't interested in that. I I was around it all the time. One time. I was with person who to call my cousin when to his house every day as a child know a mother babysat him. I was with him when dad pride south more junior in high school, and he says, hey, you wanna come to Coney Island with me? And I'm not sure chip didn't go the way our thought it would his friend that up with another guy. And the next thing I knew he was on a side street in the middle of a massive deal. I've never seen a bag of drugs that lodge, and I was really pissed at him. He was like what do you know? What's big deal? You didn't touch the money on the drugs. Like nothing would have happened to you. And it was like I don't want to go to jail men. And then this is not what I intend to do my life. He ultimately went to jail or selling drugs. They're down south and got a fifteen year sentence. And so I had a separate myself from people that was very close to and it was a lot of friends like that. Title went to a different kind of high school in two thousand nine there were no frisbees a no lawn. His time in his music one. I'm friends and kept him safe. For awhile least. But one day in ninth grade, try was trying to take a test and a kid, you didn't know kept breaking his concentration by talking. They had words a few days later the same kid walked behind tour in class and smacked him on the head. They fought that day after school. Try was heading home on the subway with friends redo the trade, but I see boy I'd gone to a fight with. He's in the group like amongst us it soon as the doors close or know of film fists flying at me, and I got jumped the train so my friend he stopped he stopped and I got off the train my body's bruised up. 'cause I was protecting my face to hold ta thinking about what it would be like to go back to school. Try made us decision. He knew who to talk to us from our school tone. Listen like, can you get on with the Soviet the guns and stuff? I need me a gun. He was like, I got you. I days later called me and stuff, and what kind of gun was that my producer? It was it was a revolver thirty eight like, I know now I actually need protection. So now the Tri had his revolver. Here's a new puzzle. Where was it safe to keep a loaded gun is always hard? I wouldn't into my mom's just in case Saint happened. Police crashing through the door and stuff they found a gun. Kepi? So wells that somewhere else was friends locker he was a basketball player. So he had loose stores room one night, try realized he'd never actually shot a gun before he needed training. So he turned to you to found a video the children how to hold a gun and how to load it. And then he went up onto the roof of his apartment building for target practice. Was a shooting at Kanza object shoot in the air. Just to see how powerful was in to get the hang of it. So I'll have to ever be scared 'cause to beyond it's never really wanted to you. Number one to use a gun afterward. He is just flashlight on a cellphone to find where the casings had fallen onto the roof. He picked them up and stash them in his pocket. Just in case. Someone came. Over the two years, I reported in gun court. I met a lot of teenagers who talked like terrarium they said, they never fired a gun or only did a few times for practice. Most hid their guns and also like to Ari almost never at home. They were as wary of the weapons as they were proud of having them. They said they got the guns for defence. Here's Terai bullied them them a whole life like on small gone to a lot of fights like in. I had nobody to protect me many of them made basic second amendment arguments like it's a dangerous world, and you have to make tough decisions to survive in it. Here's another teenager. I met in gun court is that also is book. Rather Geico with a gun into two years town than not get caught done the being dead. The gun. Started to seem to me like armor, the kids didn't really want. Added layer of security or or power having a gun in in in black and urban culture has been associated with having like power or clout or relevancy Gebze Ataman. I started reporting gun court. He was one of the advocates who work that borders on between the kids maneuvering in the streets and the cops enforcing the gun courts. No mandate. Good name knows that. There are plenty of illegal guns floating around New York City every year, the NYPD seizes around five thousand of them last year one hundred sixty one people were killed by hand guns. The politicians look at those deaths, and they see a crisis the for the kids could deem works with this is just the hazardous ocean. They swim in getting a gun for protection. It seems to make sense Cotin tries to convince them otherwise. Challenge. Young people on is protection. Like this notion of if I have this firearm. I'm like Vincent all nothing is gonna happen to me. Right. And that's like that's false knows what he's talking about. He speaks from the experience of his own childhood. So when I was twelve when I got arrested for the first time for bringing gun to school that started like being streets around a two because my mom was on issues. Games. Mama struggling, and she wasn't around much. So he felt he had to take care of siblings. He started selling drugs got caught a bunch of times long story show. Like, I ended up doing like five different bids from the time. I was twelve twenty two he told himself the same thing as Terai and the other defendants he had a gun for defense. But even though you buy a gun for protection you almost never use. It that way. Podemo learn that in the hardest possible way I was shot when I was a kid, and I. Had a gun on me when I was shot. He's I didn't make me bulletproof. It's like I still got shot. An Eric near the end of high school. She had to figure out to do next around that time he read a book that changed his life bomb for the vanities bonfire of the vanities the Tom Wolfe novel from nineteen eighty seven. I read the book one nine didn't go to sleep. And I I was all in fun. Fires a story about a bond trader on Wall Street who gets arrested for a hit and run. The kills apar- blackhead. It's a morality play about high society brought low that's how I remember the book anyway, but it's not what Eric remembers what fascinated me by that book. These prosecutors had so much authority in discretion over what happened the people's lives and who got a second chance and who went to jail, and I think what that book did for me. Was it changed? My focus of what I wanted out of my life. What I wanted was to be a person who got to be a decision maker. Okay. I know this is going to sound kind of crazy. It was one buck. But the way our tells it bonfire took him through college and through law school, he moved back to lambs Burke the same exact block where he grew up and he really did stick with his plan to become a prosecutor. He took a job in the Brooklyn DA's office, a work Acton talk about the fights. He got into growing up or about being around drugs and guns that if that was publicly known in the DA's office. It would undermine me. You really thought it'd be conflicted. I wasn't conflicted. But I did see the people who I was prosecuting until he different lenses than my colleagues because I I never felt that there was a separation between them me. The they were neighbors over the next twenty years. Eric worked his way up in the DA's office. He did just about every job. Then in two thousand fourteen Brooklyn elected Ken Thompson, member him the pros. African American DA Thomson actually never worked in the office. He was taking over for as number two. He had to find some new understood the court system and the streets of Brooklyn Thompson knew exactly who he needed. Eric gonzalez. New Year's Eve when it was twenty. He got a call from a sister. She was at a party in queens and a guy there was hassling her. Sexual like ankle, say rape benign bite like she didn't feel comfortable with the boy just an appropriate touching. And so I went to go pick up and. One of the guys started me like we'll shoot you wanna wait. We on our way to your hood trying to scare me up. Tirona sister got home and one of the same guy sent him a message on Facebook. And then the threats got real an in person. God came to my door would a gun like they they had a gun on them when headed on his waist. He was actually threatening in my head is like this Saint child's play and stuff. This is serious eight endanger, my family net tie Fash back something that had happened in as early childhood wasn't sure if you're a member that, but his family told him the story many times over the years when I was Joan on my head experienced the home invasion with my on they shot through the door in the guys took me held a gun at my head that wasn't gonna happen. Again. Chari went out and got us gun. A couple nights later. He saw car circle around this. Neighborhood. It made him nervous. He made sure his gun was loaded protection. Like, I when feel me all one of the L hit naked the following evening. Try was with a friend in the lobby of the friends apartment building try out his gun hidden under his hoodie. They called for a car. They were just standing there. You can see it on the closer video exactly story describes it. So we waited for the cab and is talking and stuff. The cow comes his friend walks out the door. Try starts to leave to just as two men dressed in regular clothes come up behind him. They bar the exit. He turns around they just you'll stop. So they just charge towards meeting grabbing the of light. Whoa. Like was going on that I think in on being a victim of kidnapping sign. The thing here a members is that his mailman was there a few feet away. Watching the whole thing. Go down with the got a gun on me. I'm trying to help light James helping that's the mailman thing. Like, jay. Help me please the James couldn't really do much of anything. Neither could try. The man pulled out their badges they were playing clothes detectives. They started wrestling him to the ground on twisted. Attorney in the cop is charter like he's patting me down by all want him to fill the gun. But it was big. So he just lift me up, and he just took the gun off by and it was over from. There are just new from nearly I'm going to jail. In the spring of twenty sixteen Ken Thomson, Eric's boss, called him into his office to tell him something Thomson had cancer. He told me that was the first person set of his family. He was telling I was shocked because he was only forty nine when he told me a few months later Eric went to an event and for the first time in weeks. He saw Thompson he dropped a lot of weight. And it was the first time people had seen them since two surgery. He never came back from a. Thompsons death. Shook Eric they both wanted to make big changes and Thompson was also Eric's friend. They were just getting started on all their plans. Now, it was all on him when he passed. It was really tough. It felt like we had so much that we had intended to do. I don't know like at that time. I didn't know what was going to happen. There was plenty of 'cause front certainty. Eric wasn't politician outside of the Brooklyn courthouse not really heard of him. But he was Ken Thomson guy, and so weak after the funeral the governor chose him to finish out Thompson's term. Eric was now in charge of the Brooklyn DA's office, and as heat imagined when he read bonfire of the vanities all those years ago that many had real power. There's an old saying about prosecutors they can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich. They can also pretty much guarantee that someone goes to prison or they can agree to no jail time at all those choices were now effectively Eric's hands for the hundreds of defendants passing through gun court, and the tens of thousands and the rest of the system. Arkansas's was now in a position to shape. The futures of a lot of people who come up the way he had starting as the timing worked out with Terai. Next week on charged. Try goes to Rikers island one of the most violent jails on the country with no end in sight or got to get myself prepared for this of LAC dot with of the GAAS a middle of the new guy. I'll know if I got enemies in hair trap. Chart was produced by Alvin mouth and written by me. Jack, hit is our senior editor mastering by merit. Jacob. If you wanna learn more about the issues raised in this show. I have a new book out. It's also called charged. Check it out wherever you buy books. Additional script editing for this episode by Vera, Lynn Williams, additional mixing by Chow to research and fact checking by will read editorial direction by Josh Levin and Gabriel Roth June Thomas is the managing producer of slight podcasts special. 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S3 Ep. 1: Phil Rosenthal

Green Eggs and Dan

50:27 min | 2 months ago

S3 Ep. 1: Phil Rosenthal

"The music and gov old saito role sick camp as kini beautiful who log data dude and welcome to green eggs and dan like many of you. I'm stuck at home during this pandemic eating and drinking my face off. And so we're most of my guests so that leaves me with a laptop from twenty twelve you for dealing with my glitches and all that my own mike and me alone in a room hoping my guests are able to record their half of the conversation We all have glitches so bear with us guys. Welcome to green eggs. Excellent dan where i interview amazing people with amazing minds but all i care about is what is in their fridge. My guest today. Oh boy sure. He's the creator writer. Executive producer of everybody loves raymond which has been dubbed or subtitled in one hundred forty eight countries. Whatever we don't care about that today today we care about the fact that he is the host and creator of my new favorite food travel. Show somebody feed mill. Please welcome sure one of my comedy. Gods but quickly becoming one of my favorite food. God's spill rosenthal welcome to the podcast great to be here very excited to have you here. You guys can see fills fridge on my instagram at. Stand up dan. Share the screen here so we can go through it feel i. I always tell people you don't need to stage your fridge. And i don't know if your fridge always looks like this but it looks so perfectly organized very well staged. Did you save this. The line by wife though cares deeply about clutter and too much and is this food still good and got rid of. This is what you're seeing a lot of leftovers from everywhere we order from. I order out almost every day because number one. I'm trying to support the restaurant industry locally. And i love it. That's the other reason. I absolutely love it. I i think every can't travel. We can't go out right. Yeah the can come to you. We're so blessed in los angeles to have sucha diverse population and that means a diverse culinary scene. Right up your odds hitting it. Big at dinner are really good because we have more people in los angeles from different parts of the world any other place. Yes there we get. We get the benefit of lots and lots of choices and lots and lots of talent. Don't you find that he takeout game has really been elevated little. Have a restaurant and what used to be assigned business. Takeout and delivery is now v business. And so. I'm so proud of everybody for really upping your day. Yeah i agree with you. I feel like before all this The pandemic stuff. I feel like triggerfish was the only one that had a real dutiful curated takeout game and now it seems like everyone is following their lead in making really cool boxes and you know the way that it's They put a lot of thought the presentation and it's pretty awesome. I think everything from pizza to to you know the big heavy hitters even like providence. The valley best the end mozart. All phenomenal just phenomenal. Like my son said this is one of the best meals. I've ever had in life and we were sitting at the kitchen table eating out of the containers from which i don't know if that says little about You and your wipes clean accu chefs chef. I don't have the time or the temperament the patients. I'm just not but chef. Seem to likely because i love that i mean it comes off very authentically in the show. We'll get to the show in a second. I wanna go back to the fridge here. So you have. You have bottle sake. here i feel. Is that apollo sake in the bottom there. Are you a big sake drinker. When when i'm eating sushi i am. It's the best you have so many jars. You're you guys are such a jar family. I love it a lot of pickle sauerkraut. I love the hobe sound crowd. They came out with a spicy sauerkraut with a put. Some red peppers in with the with the and that's like my favorite thing out. Those i mean you have a lot. You're hot sauce. Dr is like it's you have a whole hot sauce. Terrar- this is. Why might my. My brother used to call my mom's we grew up. We didn't have any real food. In the house were the houses condiments. We always had and hot sauce. No now it doesn't it doesn't really and then ketchupy things like like really not great stuff but you know i'm a i'm hot saucepan a mustard fan. I'm a i'm a barbecue sauce. Fan of an everything sauce. Loves salts of the world is sauce isn't and the whole the whole world cuisine is about taking maybe less than stellar or first rate ingredients and adding a source that not only make them palatable but make the delays absolutely. I like any food. That makes your eyes bug out and so when you eat spicy foods. It's my favorite thing. Top shelf in the fridge king. That's pink top on a can. That's former the dog. Oh really that's his dog food. We share the. We share the fridge. And how the done you don't even share. The dog gets top. Shelf's he's talk. Show see a lot of the containers all the containers. that's all take. Where are you ordering from mostly right now but was leslie last night. We got screened by turn on that. I have done that. And i don't know if we're gonna get along here because i didn't love it. Did you do the monday night saying no. It's the monday night thing. He does like a beautiful bento box. Okay i had the soup. I had one of the soups. I went there. And i don't know i always. I always compare maybe me. Maybe this is wrong of me. But i i feel like japanese soups. Have korean soups. Beat like for me. A rahman will i'll i'll take a rahman over a korean noodles or or even fo- any any day yes. Tell me that. I'm wrong that you had to be a nominee. Your show looks insane with the beef fat. Very lucky i get to case a lot of great stuff and i like almost everything people look at the show. Say it looks like you like everything and most of the time that's true but here's the other truth if i don't like it i'm not putting it in the show show. Would that be a try this you all the way here. If put this in your mouth. Okay what do you think it's all right. I'm not showing you that. I'm sure my main goal is to get you to travel. So i wanted to show you the best stuff all the good stuff so i'm not acting. I really really do. Write this stuff. We some for a week. You're seeing less than an hour. Some shown you. The highlights highlight ended. So that your show is so important right now because it's like i feel like before we used to watch it and be like. Oh i want to go to that place like i. I would watch feeling by the end. I'd be like on kayak looking boarding passes i i never had anxiety go to ireland for example and i was like oh my god i gotta get to. Ireland is i. I can't italy's my absolute favorite. 'cause i just feel like it's hard to me. I feel like maybe in another life. I was just feels like another whole to me and it has for me everything. I love which is gorgeous scenery incredible food. Everyone's hugging kissing. So that's like for me. That's that's absolutely love of everywhere in. There's not a clinker. The bunch. So far i also love the place i love it. You went to modina in your italy episode in the venice episode because he's modin as one of my favorite places and it's kind of an unsung hero until you know massimo came in and put on the map but just even even taking massimo out. It is aesthetically one of those beautiful city. That i've ever been to. It is kinda a beautiful quiet town it feels like with it seems so livable. Doesn't it absolutely. We were there only three nights but it just fell in love with it. It just seemed like this dream center to to you know to base your vacation from if you want to you in a live in italy for you you choose that. Let's right because it has anything you about italy. This kind of small town feel yet enough to do and enough restaurants and places to go and it's like central so you can shoot out from there to everywhere else interesting. Yeah i'm with you. I i love it there. I can't wait to go back. But i was saying. I think your show is so almost more important now. Because it's not it's less of like. Where am i going to go next. It's like i need to live vicariously through someone. Because i can't go anywhere and so it's it's almost like we're putting on our virtual are vr. Glasses now going place will. Here's what i've been saying unevenness. I understand living. Virtually through me. And i understand that you might even be a little melancholy watching for the world that you can't this right now but the key phrase there was right now so use this time. You have to plan a vacation because guess what this is going to end. None of us are thinking like that right kind of a tragedy so we were kind of isn't tragedy with all the loss life and everything else and it's a horrible time but and i'm speaking as the fardie this why authority. Only because of the evidence that it's ended every other time he the greatest benefit for me from doing. The show is hearing from people on my instagram. Dm or my twitter comes or my. Facebook comes people writing in saying we went to lisbon because of you and we ate at that place load. Here's a picture of us at the same place. You nothing gives me greater drew. I love why you do what you do. We love nothing more than turning people onto stuff. Right i agree one hundred percent and i'm always. I'm curious if i'm onto something here because my ashkenazi jewish rents are either the biggest foodies. I know or they're super picky about food. And i'm curious has to do with the fact that they normally they usually grow up in households that had a a lack of flavor and so either they fell into that camp or there were like i need to get away. It seemed like we the web. Yes but how about this. So i grew up in in that type of house. No flavor and meet was punishment. And i go now. I get to meet these chaps and like alice florida's tells me her mother was terrible and it wasn't until she went to france when she was swept maybe early twenties late teens even and her mind exploded right from when she had fresh food and then she came back. It's like for me when i went. I didn't have i yes. I had that experience. When i went to your early twenties but even before left the house when i went to college and i was eating crappy pasta with some friends as a freshman hush university and i was. Oh my god this delicious. They supply pasta. This is fantastic. What are you talking about you so excited. Just the no-no the sauce once red sauce yet had no no is little white. Bits of these little white bits dropped up what garlic. I never had garden when she opens the door. Now the world ezekiel other absolutely accidents. Like how good for garlic to do that for you. That's the type of food that would do that is because isn't it amazing isn't delicious. 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I want to get into our history a little bit. I met you. Probably i dunno was a four years ago. I think i was at a coffee shop with my friend. Avi done and i tell you. And i was like oh my god. That's phil rosenthal. And we started. We we started to strike up a conversation and we. We were all foods together and let's go out. Let's let's go get lunch some time. We started to go out to lunch together. And i just love to eat with each other and i. I bet a lot of people. Watch your show. And they're like oats phil rosenthal. He probably just walked into a network was like i want. Show give me a show. And they're like here's her show. That is not the way that it happened for you. I remember you were struggling back then to try to get anyone to put you on the air you remember. This there was there was an and years. There was like an american express. Food thing you were going to. Thomas keller or something and then didn't work out well. It didn't work out because they only wanted Iphone here that we're finding What's going to be a pilot for a show but it wasn't it was. They were financing a week in london. With thomas keller being so that they could sell tickets to their platinum card holders for event than they would show clips of our trip from. I never saw such a wasteful. Thank right i mean. They spent the must've spent a fortune to to get a few fill clips for three hundred people at at a fancy. I didn't understand that. But here's what happened. I took some of those flips. And i took them around town and took him to every single network and finally my my agency let me take them to pbs. Which was the first place. I wanted to go because i thought. Pbs maybe would do a show with me. Because i'm a guy who guy and of course the adt was like pbs. This'll money pbs. Why would you go there. They only care about the money. I could care less about the money right. Finally go to pbs. And they gave me six right away and that was fantastic. What wasn't fantastic was that i didn't know only to be six. And even though we were there number one show of the year and we won the james beard award for best food and travel show. But what was your competition. Pbs it was like you guys on holocaust documentaries and trying to work in the holocaust whatever food so so so here comes netflix. And that's then picked up a ten year effort to get back because people first of all your own agency if you walk into your agency after having done sitcom that was successful and tell them you know what i think instead of a sitcom now i'd like to do a food and travel show. They act like you pooped on their desk it. It wasn't like that was a priority for them either and then the networks. Like what are you. You're not a guy who should be on your the right of go right another rain understand. But i didn't want to accept it. And i have to tell you also dan it's not like an untried to another sitcom writer reagan. I couldn't sell anything could does that. They wanted me to do. This was also a the reason. I couldn't sell him was because the business has changed so drastically while we were doing rate. The type of show raymond was valued anymore. It would be five or six years until another family. Sitcom cold modern family would come along but they all wanted to imitate friends. They all wanted young. Hit gorgeous sexy. And france was kind of the exception to the rule because god doesn usually give with both hands. The young pretty people are usually not the funniest. The reason friends is such a hit is because these kids were. You're very hip and sexy for pbs. I don't even think. I didn't even think there but i loved what i was doing and i couldn't honestly to be fair. I couldn't do the kinds of shows that the now automated. So i was like trying wrote three four. Five pilots tried to get him to go. Nope nobody will. Maybe they were not as good. That's also possible and it might be my own shortcomings. But i thought if you're gonna hit your head against the wall trying to sell stuff maysville paint a wall. You really really love. So i remember. We did this episode of raymond where we went to italy in raymond. Show 'em when ray romano. When i saw ramona would never travel before it was all impetus for doing that. Southwest see i asked him where is going to go on scientists and he said i go to the jersey shore and i said you ever go to europe and he goes down. I said why not he goes. I'm not really interested in other cultures even his own culture. And so i thought i'm gonna write that up so we're going to go to italy and you're gonna go there with that attitude of not wanting not being interested in culture and you're gonna come back after italy's transformed With my attitude about it and loving it and falling in love him. The food the people the culture the beauty. So we go. We filled that up so special one hour and what happened to the character that i wrote that character arc. I saw happen to ray. The person out vote while that like i went holy shit. I wanna do this for people i want to do. This is no greater high and turning people on the some you love right. yeah absolute. That was the year we found that twenty years ago the year two thousand and since then. I wanted to do this ship i got. I mean that is that is so inspirational. I mean this is so it's so crazy to me to hear that literally someone who is. Okay there's two things that are created from media your number one to have a hit show on on a network like one of the biggest hits ever biggest-ever and then to not be able to sell a show after that the blow to most people's ego would be much even try to stay in the business let alone to pivot into a complete other part of the industry the food host world which you you had zero experience and and you just kept believing in yourself and you basically have to go from the ground floor. Put your ego to the side of having literally the most popular comedy show of all time worldwide. I don't know but it was. It certainly was successful and to to be able to do it again was depressing. I won't lie to you. It was sad not to be able to. And of course you start doubting yourself. Of course she knew anybody would maybe number one hit wonder. Maybe i can't do it again especially if you get rejected. I don't i don't necessarily subscribe to the everything happens for a reason but do you think that it was all to get to this place to have this show. This show is. You're having zeitgeist moment. It seems. I'm so lucky right. I i'm. I'm the luckiest guy you'll ever talk to one your shape prompted because i you know i studied theatre in college and i thought you know i got a lot of attention for being funny on stage in place not as a stand up but i was a character actor i was i was somewhat successful in high school and college and i made the mistake of thinking that it would be that easy when i went moved to new york. New york care. If i was flooding in college then i had to transition into writing to write something with my friends that we could be in together right. It's it's always the same thing you got right. Neuron ticket literally wro-wrote ticket and i wrote swing play with another friend and these states have some presents. You with what you're supposed to be so i guess i'm supposed to be a writer and then i moved to. How and i started writing on shows if you never heard of i gotta video cassette of a comedian named ray romano who needed a show created for him. Right yeah and then there was that and that just to get. The pilot made is is hitting the jackpot for every single thing. That happened after that was like hitting the jackpot over and over and over again. Yeah so listen how many things you have to be remembered for right if i just had that diana dying and people said to me why are you trying so hard to get another. Show one studio executive sent to me. Why are you pitching to me if i were you. I would just sit on a mountaintop. I'm like what so i i was. I was how old is when raymond ended. Forty five i should. I should have forty five. She retired and never work again. I want to describe do why do you. What do you mean it was almost insulted. Shop this is what. I do this hour defined but i. I don't know about this studio guy. But i happen to love doing it. Yeah so i was going to do it. I was going to do it by hooker. Bike at was gonna do ussia just so happened that i now do show where i've taken everything i've learned about how to make us show. Tell a story right. Because i have experienced. Not but it's in the service. Now of everything i love in life. Yes beverly friends who travel laughs over in a way. This show is the culmination of my stupid existence on their. You know what i i am. I'm with you because the show definitely has a stroke. It has like a like an act structure to it like you're like you're watching. Tv show exactly right. No you're smart. Structure is something that can be taught right. Not necessarily you learn to be funnier. But if you don't have a sense of humor your your feet. Yes so and that's a lot of life by the way if you don't have a sense of humor i. It's our most underrated battle. Yeah i think. I think that's the basis for who we're friends with and i'll even say it but the structure beginning middle end is what that needs right. Yeah that's what you can be taught. And that makes every form of art stronger. A good structure structure like building building. You gotta have the beams the foundation. Everything else is yes. It has to be eye catching. It has to be beautiful. It has the honey has to be in making the show. But if you don't have a strong foundation like an end for for shows the that foundation is what is this about. And then how do you service that. What is it about what what points you're hitting along the way Showing us. that's what it's about. yeah. So i'm using certain sitcom tropes even in the show. What's that it's character based comedy. You know lion of the way. I solve the show. I said i'm exactly like anthony. Bourdain if he was afraid of rarely. That's how you sell it at the tower so lucia that way people would know where i was coming from. The tone of the show was gonna be like It's a pretty act description now as we go on again. A tiny bit raver. But i'm still not doing what he was able to do. It was a superhero. Yeah and people. Can i looking at need that. I am not shep. Here's the thing though. And this is what i tell. People is that after denied. Everyone was trying to to to be the next. Dan and i heard this at in meetings with networks. There were like we want to be the next day. And the next prudence. We're looking for and i was. I kept saying no one can be the next dan because no one can fill dancers. He was dan. Someone has to do something different. And i think the reason why you've successfully. I'm gonna say filled his shoes. Because i think you're doing completely different but the thing that made board so great was he was so authentically him. He wasn't fake on camera. he was he. The things he loved loved the things he hated. And you're doing that to you are being so authentically you that you can't. It's something that that can't be fixed. You're so authentic people see it feel it and i think that it itches. The same scratch that that bodine was itching. Thanks yeah. I can't help it. That's a you know we overlapped our time a little bit. Yeah it was devastating to lose him. Because you know my show is really only a take on the type of show that he did. It's based on showing that the whole series because he fired up a form and reinvented a form of food and travel right. Yeah and i thought literally thought of him when coming up with the show. Because i would look at him and go. He's amazing i'm never doing but maybe there's a show for people who are like me who look at him and say wow. He's amazing of never doing exactly but if they see a putz like me out there. Maybe they'll say okay. Maybe i'll go outside. You gotta know what the stain your land. That's the key. You sexting limbaugh. Also americans especially two thirds of us. Don't even have a passenger. did you. not wow so. Don't you think the world will be a little better if they if they did absolutely better if we all could experience a tiny bit of someone else's experience yeah wouldn't be in the position. We are today if people you were a little more open to other people and other cultures and things that are not exactly like the one of the great ways to get you. There is through the food because we all got eat. We all liked by the way. You don't have to go very far your mexico city and montreal episodes or two of my favorites and that all very close to where we are now. Oh yeah well. Mexico you can be in mexico from california can be there in an hour and a half two hours. Yeah montreal's knob troops hour from new york and our flight you're right i've always said montreal's my favorite food city in north america. I think it's pretty awesome. It's pretty. I was winning. I will say. La's exploding on the food scene and it's like an uncontrollable expansion of how good it's getting. It's because even more than new york i would say. It's the best food city in the country if not work. Wow moment yet because the world is here. it's true life's too short for boring food. It deserves to be filled with fresh flavorful mouth watering dishes. That you and your family are excited to share it together. And guess what. Now it's so easy to broaden your cooking skills and try out fund recipes and the best part is you don't need a bunch of fancy appliances to do it with panasonic's home chef for in one multi oven. You can heat. You can fry breughel your wait. A foodie heaven yup. It's a microwave a broiler and air fire and the convection oven all wrapped up in one place whether you're trying out a new food trend your grandma's intimidating recipe or a spanish asian fusion dish. This multi oven makes cooking experience and enjoyable one so start thinking of all those recipes. 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Themselves you'll hear more of their stories even more genius riffs tips and tricks and those personal stories in the moments that have nothing to do with the recipes. Those are all in their to the genius. Tapes is out. Now subscribe on apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you get your podcast so you don't miss out gonna get to these questions that i ask all my guests at the old every towards the mid points the mid point. We're going to tell it like a story. Nice so number one is. What is your earliest memory. It's not nice. It's as bad kinda gray. Shui stake. I thought stake. I really thought steak was horrible because we would get our cuisine or house was cheap. Right whatever whatever's on sale. That's what we got an at. It's not my mom's fault. She worked fulltime job and race to really awful children. My brother and my dad works oakland. So the food was kind of after thought. We didn't have a lot of so state. Was this great tough thing that actually i remember heard. It's hurting my gps. I turned my jaws. Because i hardly want to eat any of this stuff. I was told you're not leaving the table until you finish so i would store it in my cheeks. Look like i was finished. And then i turned Beth's day when your food the status early food memory we've had on the podcast. Yes but you gotta start somewhere better. Start there than ending. Absolutely what is your death row meal. I get this a lot. And i'd given it a lot of thought and i actually say this in the london episode to you saw that trump's favorites on that play hotdogs pizza hamburgers chicken ice cream. And it's because you're backed down so you come full circle to comfort food. And i'd probably end with a bowl of my mom. The one thing my mom may very well Mb lists the last set. Something from your mom would be bad at ball soup before you get the why not. You wanna be listening. You're going to die. You wanna be comforted. Could have neil from the french laundry. Would it be amazing. Yeah but it'd be empty experience because you don't have a personal connection unless you grew up in the fridge right unless we thomas. Keller you know that beautiful spring the thomas keller and these moments that moment in ratu. He was a consultant on the movie route to even makes the ratatouille that is then rose and made into animated route to. Yeah when that critic take that by and his bang transported back being a child that's everything that's waterworks. But that's everything that's that's more that transcends food that moment that's the feeling that we chase the rest of our lives in whatever we do absolutely speaking of thomas keller and his ilk what is the best high end meal you've ever had while that certainly one of them again stupidly lucky life. I've had a few. Yeah you know i've got. I got the job. We i got to eat at the linea. I got to eat at the french laundry and per se. I got to eat at a narrow sawa in tokyo and geoghegan in thailand and while and five thana friendships gonna. They're all amazing. This place in barcelona now this fruit tar. I recommend wound enjoy in spanish. That's one of the top. I m meals. I ever had there. There's a lot of them. And i can't say i love them more than a hot dog. That's really good or or slice of a piece of pizza. I really can't. I understanding i get it but i'll tell you something you ever been stuck in a bad one a bad for our whiting. God yes is it. Everything is nice but you can. It's like a kit that anymore. I would rather have a slice of pizza with you than sit there for four hours. My back hurts. can't you know it's the worst. It's probably if the one is. If the food is good too is like i went to one. And i was fighting with my ex for our like marites in san sebastian. It was no good nobler. No no was speaking of the pizza. That could hold a candle to those things. One of the best low and meal you've ever had so this could be like a street food like just a bite of street food that you had in thailand or something you know since you mentioned time in the house oy in jama yes i did i did. It's shock of the side of the road and it's this coconut curry roth beautiful homemade noodles at the bottom. Like like the best pasta ever had and then there's pickled shallots and mustard greens and chilies. So it's kind of like incredibly a balanced than spicy and then either chicken or beef or pork or tofu or shrimp or crab. Whatever you want in there they do and then christie on top. So it's taken all the boxes for flavor texture. It's one of the most delicious things i've ever eaten my life and it's a dollar unbelievable so crazy. There was one thing that you had in the vietnam episode. I believe which was the. It was like ground meat that was rolled around in some sort of leaf. Oh yeah that was beautiful. Yes yes so cool to me. I was like. I need to get to that. That's need to go there tomorrow. But ali locked. Bali lots resented. I think i know has a lot in Joke idea a lot of this following. I lived here yet Vietnam as incredible food. Timeline has incredible food asia. That's a whole whole of its korea you saw. Did you see that one though. I haven't seen it yet. Spectrum As an iranian curious if that has that made it on the list or is that on the list of to go unlock persian food. I love i love a people. I love i really in. La we have some great. What's reassure favorite. Where should i go. There's a place that i love called atari. Atari like the the game that on fridays. They do a special which is called a which is kind of a. It's kind of a mortar and pestle mashup of beef and beans and broth and in this amazing bread called sang gac which is cooked on little rock. Yes spin and beautiful yet. It's a very like persian old man food. That's kinda hard to find. But they do a friday special of it and you go there. You see all the old persian men hanging out playing backgammon. And eating the stuff that i get it to go probably. Yeah you do. You have a favorite drunk food. I don't get drunk really. I and i like to. I like to have a drink. Very rare that i'll have to drake's in an e but maybe what you mean is like a sloppy food like something that you just don't care like just i'm a french fry at it. If you told me you would live ten years longer q. Didn't eat frank frogs because fries are known to be the worst food for purse. I would say no nope because they would be ten years without french fry. Where's your favorite french. Fry have a lot. I have a lot on the low end. would be hi ho burgers. Oh yeah that's the. The sheriff ish guy is a burger joint and they are spectacular and they travel well because they invented a perforated bag for the fries. So it doesn't steam inside so you get an having christie. Why isn't everybody doing this. I you're yelling at me like like it's my policy phil. I'm blaming you and a so. That's great the fries at republic are awesome the fries county. Ted's are awesome Bet there's more than i can't think of the big thing that peter luger's i think those are awesome. A the world is phillip could fill could fries you ever been in belgium and you go down on the street in the brussels and they have homes and the fruits they call them are sticking out they make they just keep making windows just pass and they give you the dipping sauces mostly mayonnaise. Allow all you can eat them. Play wow there you hear that. During this epidemic of the belgian government was like. Hey we're not. We need to get rid of all these potatoes that we haven't stockpiled here so everyone has to start eating more french fries. I was like. I want to become a citizen. I want just to do that at this. You might have answered this next question with the french fries but your desert island food. You're trapped on a desert island. You'll never get tired of eating something it is. I think it's french fries. Chocolate pizza yeah. All the things. I mentioned as different meal. I will never get tired of eating. Yeah and is there a food that you can't stand eating. Is there something that you hate. Yes not a good with black licorice. okay okay. a grind lumps that's acceptable. It's a weird flavor. What about like in general like are you young. It's done at the thing that reminds you. A black licorice is not my favorite. Yeah i actually went to dinner once. I was asked to attend a dinner. They were doing this series. Tell us the food. You'll want. So i told him i said now. Come to dinner. We're going to change. I'm like oh no so. This is going to be thinner. Filled with the thing. I hate and they found a way yet it would. It's a little bit of cheating because you know why like this. What because it doesn't taste like likelier. She face like that. So yes if this is michael okay now right you know mine i you might have a bone to pick with my my food that i can't stand and i don't know why this is because i love funky flavors. Get down with pickled herring. Oh you're wrong. I tried it. So i'm keep giving another shot. There's something about the sweetness with fish. Yes that i just tried to copenhagen. I tried it and all the places trying to everywhere. Yeah i i don't know why no i did. Not try to israel. There's a place in a in a in an open marketing. Toby it's in the show sherry herring elitest most beautiful taste. It doesn't it doesn't have that vinegary sweetness that you're talking about nights on a sandwich. I think there's some kind of cramped fresher something on there and onions. But without that thing that i think is the thing you don't lie. Okay what is your restaurant. Pet peeve phil rosenthal. What can't you stand restaurant very easy too loud too loud. If it's too loud amount interesting. I why am i going. I'm going for the food. But if you go with the person i wanted to talk to you only you were just saying i think in some of these places and i found out why they're so loud. You know the number one reason why restaurant is loud by cranking up now is to get out of there quicker. Yes very hilly. Very smart but also very cynical isn't off that's awful. It is awful. It's the opposite of what it should be. Great restaurants should be welcoming warm cozy beautiful inviting. Stay make this your evening. You're spending money you know. Sit with your coffee sip we love having you cranking up the music author jackhammer is not. We love you. It's we love your eat and get out. Yeah yeah. I feel like the sound has to be softened up where you can hear each other but loud enough. Where if you let out a rare big laugh. It doesn't stop the room absolutely. There's a little that the well-balanced ones are have the atmosphere. You kind of like you. You're kind of grooving without even knowing i'm talking about so loud that it's offensive. I'm one of those. Everyone leave your phone in the car. Let's go in and have dinner people. i understand. You need your phone. It's we're part human part phone now. I get i'm addicted. Also the whole world. Is there a. We've made it indispensable because now now i'm keisha because my wife needs me. What do you mean. shut your phone your phone up right. Well i will let you get back to your phone addiction after this last question. Which is what is the first restaurant that you will go to after quarantine. it might be the diner downstream. It might be. Because i thought about this too. Yeah i'd love to get jet and go to the. That'd be great but what i really want is a return to normalcy by local coffee shop and see my neighbors. I wanna go to my local diner and have some eggs and just feel like the world is right again. That will mean more to me in a book. I love it immense that while you guys know where to find. Fill the day. That quarantine is up. If you want to talk him. He'll be at that diner. Fill anything else. You wanted to tell the people where they can find you what they should be looking out for. Phil rosenthal on the instagram of phil rosenthal on the twitter youtube channel. Phil rosenthal world a website. If you want to find out every single place that i eat in on the show the address website for every place we go is phil. Rosenthal world dot com. I love that even on facebook in your living room. Watch my little show get inspired. Being nice league good tip. that's it. I love it filled. Thank you so so much for giving us so much time. You're the best and everyone you got to watch the show. It's it's my favorite food show on tv right now. Thanks really really special job where we're going to go. We found good. I'll see this episode of green eggs. And dan was produced by andrew. 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Charged | Ep 3: The Ghost of Tyrone Howard

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This podcast is a co production of slate and the appeal a new publication about the Justice system, and it's a companion to my new book also called charged and available wherever you buy books. Okay. Thanks for listening. Here's the. Show. Previously on charged winter. I got locked up at Rikers his mom struggled to raise bail and get him out. It really was stressful thinking about how to get him out because we've never been a situation like this. We like we don't just have that money or hand. I was looking for that Bill aceept film late. The I gotta give shoddy it took like forever for them to get him home. We built him out, and he didn't come home until days later, I'm Emily bass lawn, and this is charged a true punishment story inside New York's gun Corp. The day after his arrest. Try was assigned a public defender who visited him in detention. She gave him and his mom the lowdown. Here's valente. She was telling us he was gonna do. No jail time. He doesn't have a record, you know, this easy case. But then his lawyer and his mom found out. Charis case wasn't on the regular docket told me to have new coq only for gun cases by oh shoot. So am on my mom like is going to be a lot is going to be a lot of trouble ahead 'cause already noticed New York City. The tourists come here in his been gentrified. Now like, they wanna get the guns off this Jeep for new people. So they could be able to live peacefully if there's a court for guns. That means a lot of people will be getting locked up. Try was nervous. Belinda was nervous. And the next time. They talked to the lawyer. So as she the Linda could hear it in her voice. She calls us. She tells us. Well, the least here do is two or three to five years. And I'm like, whoa. What are you talking about? My son is not doing no gel. And she said, well, you know, he was caught with a gun and her hold everything just changed. Try was facing serious prison time for merely possessing a gun, and it's worth saying that if he'd been almost anywhere else this probably wouldn't be happening to him in states like for mountain, Florida. They don't even have gun permits. There is no such thing as an illegal handgun, and if you're caught and say, Texas or Wisconsin without a gun permit. You can get off of the small fine. And of course, and all those places there's a massive organization fighting for your right to have a gun when it comes to tell them the truth in fighting for our fundamental freedoms. No one fights harder longer or stronger than the NRA. But not in Brooklyn gun lobbyists have never shown up in gun court. Even though it should be a five alarm fire for the NRA. It's hard to ignore race here in surveys, white people are more likely than black people to say they have a gun yet. Black people are four times are likely to get arrested for having one when gun violence, still saturates, predominantly black neighborhoods. They don't get more social services. They got more prison as yellow professor James Forman puts it they got the worst of both worlds shootings and prison and we've seen this before in the last decades the war on drugs, morphed into one big excuse for sending overwhelming numbers of black men to prison, even though white and black drug use is statistically the same for some. The disparity has just become a way of life. Here's Linda I actually walking on the street coming from the grocery store, you have this group of white young men standing over there. They smoking weed. And I'm like, holy quite think. So. Mostly the police duty due to do nothing. But time I turned and get the neighborhood you see a couple three or four young black do standing on the corner kicking it smoke. Hey, go to cops jumping out get against the gate. I'm confused that makes no sense. But it couldn't have been more true when random searches where the policy in New York, the NYPD stopped and frisked fully four out of five of the young black men in the city every year sort of Olinda tries arrest was all too familiar politicians like de Blasios were trumpeting their shiny new idea of gun court. But in reality they'd backed themselves into running a very old play from winter to spring and the half dozen times Charlie went to court. He got more and more frustrated with his lawyer MO podium finish. She keeps saying older giving Detroit to give two years auto notes to do he kept pushing her. But it was like she couldn't hear what he was saying Domo William light cannot like can you buy charter figure out something fool me like this month. I fence like kill woke in Utah harder. He didn't understand why she wasn't biting shoes. A you her what she was talking about. Like those like is grabher eg. Will you? Talking about. So I need somebody to act explain to. That's why the hook. So I could get a better lawyers. It was another makeup break decision. Figuring out once again how to get off the knife's edge. That's what started making my heartbeat light. I have to I'm gonna have to pay for a lawyer. To hire their own lawyer, trying his mom need a big sum of money, and suddenly they came into one the story behind that money was just as much a product of Terai circumstances as his decision to get a gun a few years back when try was seventeen he went to see a friend of his mom's needed anything at the store. She lived in his housing Feldman. He left her building by the back exit data's headphones on with the music turned all the way up blasting in his is I yell at him a lot about that the back exit opened onto a flight of stairs. Try stepped out of was being chased the ball ball Aldo out even while the Kate bus up just buddy about headphones about it. It what you take it out. I just I was pushed to own scaffolding pole bus by the person chasing Tarai was a plainclothes police officer another officer grabbed him. We have to grill be about that for all about. Oh, hand in all. I heard it. If you go to kill you. But did I push to be? Off started yelling for help. The police took try to the precinct a friend of Linda's called her at work in queens. Do people say all they know they saw him getting thrown out of the building door of a staircase. She got in a cab and went straight to the police station, and I saw my son head, and he has this big banish with blood coming through it. I went zero to a hundred. And then I got on the phone and proceeded to call internal fans the police claim that gotten a complaint about a black man carrying a knife. And that's why they stopped Harari, but he didn't have a knife on him. So they charged him with trespassing he lives in a neighborhood. He has ideal him has he trespassing the next morning. The judge dismissed the charges. The Linda got tried to the hospital along with the wound on his head. He had a serious back injury. So try inva- Linda went looking for a lawyer, they found Elissa brownstein and one thing about Charis case caught her I immediately. Well, I'm particularly sensitive to trust pair. All right because there had been an athlete democ- police arresting kids trespassing and mostly surrounding how he projects more brownstein learned about terrariums case the more appealing. She found it he was visiting someone in his own housing project. He had idea on him. And then there was the cut in Bruges. She could see on terrarium straight front and center and as far head that the police did to him by bashing his head into a coal. I don't know if he's still has the scar. But he had it for as long as I knew him and your face. You know, terrible brownstein filed a civil rights lawsuit on tries behalf pursued false arrest and claims of excessive force and salt against officers. I'm like PD in the city, all of a sudden the cops were interested in having a friendly chat. They started calling me they started coming Tom neighborhood trying to talk to him. Day was on time to talk to me, get me to come in with my son and mayhem can sit down with the captain and talk, but try and Belinda didn't wanna talk outside of civil courtroom in the end, they won thirty thousand dollars for the city. That's a drop in the bucket of the roughly seventy five million New York pays out each year to settle lawsuits against the police, by the way, one of the officers who injured Tarai was recently promoted he made sergeant. This charge is brought to you by send pro online from Pitney Bowes. If you don't have time to waste waiting in line to send your mail and packages, and who does central online from Pitney Bowes is for you. You can send packages and mail without leaving your office right from your desk for as low as four ninety nine a month with central online. 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I wanna let you know that it wouldn't have been possible without sleeps membership program sleep, plus the support from members has helped fund exciting projects. It's late like slow-burn and standoff and the daily journalism you see on slate dot com every day if you want to help slate continue this kind of work, please sign up for sleep. Plus now at slate dot com slash charged. It's only thirty five dollars for the first year and you'll get benefits like ad free podcast feeds and discounted tickets to sleeps live events, and you'll get even more episodes of charged sign up. It's slate dot com slash charged. The money from the lawsuit came in try and his mom found the lawyer. They wanted for gun court. His name was Daniel Lynch. I took a seat across from him literally surrounded by towers of slumping Manila folders befo, but you could see my offices kind of a mess. Mess. Lynch had the closed circuit video of is arrests from the apartment building and on it. You can see the cops every move vertical which is that they went to the top of the building. And then they came down each floor and just checked in the police report of tries arrest the cops ad though, when they saw terrar- in the lobby they quote, observe the handle of a firearm and defendants waistband, but on the video, you can see the terrarium was wearing an oversized hoodie, and there was no way for the cops to see his waistband or anything else to the to the to the lobby drawer sitting in with his friend. And they're just looking at the window. They're not doing anything. And then they just took him down to stop and frisk someone the police are supposed to have reasonable cause. That means a reason they can articulate Lynch didn't think the cops had one at least not from the video position point was that the stop and the seizure by the police officers was was unconstitutional that we had a pretty good chance of winning hearing in this case if the detective searched try. Because someone tipped them off that he had a gun they had to say so but they didn't. Instead, the prosecutor suddenly opened a big door. The prosecutor then decided to say why don't we see if we can screen them for Weiss, Pete, why see p it's a program for young defendants and some of the young men I met in gun court were figuring out that it was possible escape hatch is stands for youth and congregations and partnership because it started in the mid nineties as a church program, but social workers took it over years ago. Why is he is really unusual because it's one of the only diversion programs anywhere in America for people. He was divided felonies. If you make it through the prize at the end is big you don't get a felony conviction. You don't go to prison, and you don't even have a criminal record the cops in New York hate this program when the New York Times wrote about why c p a few years ago around the time gun court opened the cop said that offering young people with guns any chance at diversion was a failure of the system when I called the NYPD they declined to comment about why C P, but the police had. Made their feelings very clear to Eric solace in the DA's office. We really don't believe there's an innocent reason for someone to carry a gun and just quite frankly, you know, they believe that folks who carry guns the only carry guns for two reasons because they're going to commit a crime, or they're afraid that someone's going to do something to them, then they're going to turn around and use the gun. I heard similar things from cops. I talked to on the street and yet while Eric was running for DA. He kept Weiss EP alive quietly is something that is an intractable disagreement between my office and the police department the opposition from the police increase the political risk for Eric if a defendant got into why c p and then hurt someone Eric and the DA's office would have to answer for it on their own for don't select the right people they turn around and they commit a violent film crime. And they hurt someone else. We were told the blood would be on our hands. If. One of the people that we divert commits a crime that we're not gonna get any cover from anywhere in New York. This nightmare has a name Tyrone Howard in two thousand fourteen how are got caught selling crack he had a long rap sheet including armed robbery, but instead of prison a judge put him into a diversion program for drug treatment. The judge said to him and putting some trust in you, please don't disappoint me. Now, the story we're following closely tonight murder charges for Tyrone Howard, the man accused of shooting and killing a police officer a thirty year old is a career criminal. He was freed from jail as part of a diversion program. The mayor and police Commissioner say freeing Howard was wrong. Sure as hell shouldn't have been on the streets. If the cops feared another Tyrone Howard coming out of a diversion program. Eric solace feared putting the next Tyrone Howard into one that was the risk to be. We'd every time someone like terrar- tried to get into why c p. Politicians feel pressure to respond to catastrophes. Like, Tyrone Howard. That's often the way they make policy because most of their experiences of tragedy. Come from the headlines at a distance. That's true for a lot of people in power. But the new wave of criminal Justice reform is pulling in people with a profoundly different life experience. People like arrogance solace. More little broker developed a drug habit. Probably thirteen fourteen years old was two years older. He watched as his half brother turned into the kind of kid who wants he tried drugs tried to everything from slipping glue drinking Nyquil, however, he could get high till like at some point, you know, ultimately, he got involved, which was uncommon back then heroin. They saw a lot of each other growing up. But as I got older Eric saw the gap between them widen. Remember going to go to college? And I'm seeing my younger brother like. You know, deteriorating not going to school like basically dropping out of high school like and I'm trying to help him on occasion. You know? It would get really bad where he would just disappear and people would have to go look for him. And so I knew some of the locations where he would hang out, and, you know, try to find them, and we did what we could do to get him into rehab sometimes that worked for a while. At least we went in and out of drug treatment. You know, typical story where there would be some success, and then something would derail them. But when he was good, you know, he was the opposite of the anti charismatic one. He was a charismatic one thousand nine hundred five when Eric became a prosecutor. He thought his brother was doing. Okay. He had gotten a job as a manager of a radio shack. They trusted him the keys to the store, but Eric's brother owed. Money to a couple of drug dealers. It was not Moen sixty dollars. I remember even asking him about I had heard about that some guys we're looking for him. And I said, I was say I hope this is not over drugs is, you know, he's like I don't even own that money that you like I'm gonna take care of it. And I'm like, you if you need the money, I'll give it to you. And he's like, nah, I'm telling you, this is it's nothing. It's nothing then we didn't know actually when he was shot in the face. Your two kids. We had to have a close casket because he was shot in the face. You know, it's a big family. I mean, there was hundreds of people there. It was it was. One was arrested for the killing and worse. The police wouldn't talk to axe family every day with my brother's mother trying to get information, and they just wouldn't give her any information. And you know, I got a call from my father who hasn't spoken to in a couple years before the funeral son. I need you to find out put aside differences. You gotta find out. What happens your problem? And I said, okay, I will. And I tried to find out that he didn't succeed expert. There was killed in the Bronx where the police didn't know Eric and in some ways, he didn't want them to know who he was one of the things I don't know why. But I made the decision not to tell them. I was a DA. I just was his brother Cawley maybe felt like you weren't supposed to use your Gleich position in some way. Or? Yeah. I mean, I think again it relates to the uncertainty of how I would be viewed. You know by the office of I worked in that. Would mean your brother's a drug addict? What do you mean that you know, he was killed like you'll how I would be viewed by law enforcement, you'll the suspicion that it would cast on me for two years. The police had no suspects. The case went cold. Then one day a pizza delivery man walked into a police station and said he'd seen the shooting while he was out making a delivery witnessing the crime and keeping quiet. It had been eating away at him the police cracked the case and arrested two suspects. But before the trial delivery man was deported to Mexico without him. Only. One of them was convicted. And it was not convicted of murder was convicted of manslaughter. The other guy was completely like acquitted, and he went home now Eric's family wanted him to ask the judge for a long sentence to demand it as a prosecutor formerly in a letter vote. Look, I've never wrote something. To judge for sentencing. I never did anything. I never wanted to use my position to and that bothered really bothered my family, they understand. But I always felt like the system we should be. I should we should be treated the way everyone else is treated. Pod. Save america. Co Tommy Vitor thought foreign policy was boring and complicated until he got the education of a lifetime working for President Obama's national Security Council. Tommy's weekly podcast pod. Save the world brings you behind the scenes into White House situation room meetings and secret negotiations through a series of conversations with people who were there every week. He's joined by former deputy national security adviser and resident analyst then roads as well as a variety of foreign policy experts new episodes of pod, save the world drop every Wednesday. Subscribe now on apple podcasts, Stitcher or wherever you listen. The man who killed our brother. Gotta sends the made him eligible for parole after ten years to Rx family that sentencing to light they were devastated. So go to see that side of what it feels like the disappointment. And for me as a prosecutor, I had been dealing with crime victims, but to step into that in the real intimate way was important. I knew there was cry and I had witnessed friends growing up being shot and killed but what it did to the family. And how a destroyed the fairly was different. I saw how this his death really impacted the family and at a different perspective before. Now, Eric hasn't told his brothers whole story publicly. But when he was running for DA, his brother's drug record became an issue got a phone call from one of the papers who's someone had leaked brother had been a victim of drug possession hip and convicted of of loss, and they were going to use that the campaign now, Eric was devastated. I just. I mean, I don't know why you would do this ourselves. I said my brother's dead. So you do whatever you want with it. I just think it's disgusting to put his name in it in the end the paper killed the story the lesson. Eric took from all this was that criminal Justice is in just about convicting the bad guy. Slob enough. That we get to the right outcomes of cases, it's how we treat people in the process. You know, that does also Mimi accused, but it also means witnesses and victims that the reason why I think people think the criminal Justice system is broken is not simply because we have mass incarceration. But because the system really does not treat any participant in ways that people feel that they're being heard or they getting fairness or they're getting Justice numbers. This is family trying to make sense of their shattered world. So here my brother was killed the police had no information, they're not willing to say to agreeing family member who calls on the phone what they think it's about. They just like, we don't know keep you informed. Then you don't hear anything, and you don't hear anything that's still refrain victims families in Brooklyn at least from the time, Eric's mentor. Ken Thomson was running the office. And this. Failing came up in our campaign for DA. It was added debate the candidates were taking questions from the audience the atmosphere was already tense when a woman with a pink flower in her hair stepped up to the microphone. Peterson. And I am the of a girly. It was murdered. Gurley was killed by a rookie police officer who in the end was let off with probation the family felt betrayed by Ken Thompson and the DA's office. There was no communication if we did not continue to badger his office whenever we call his office. He's in the meeting. He's out of town. We had so much hell to get through that office five candidates on that stage. And most of what MS Peterson heard from them with standard-issue rhetoric like this for the for for the public to have confidence in the system. It has to be transparent then act spoke. So what I'm what I'm prepared to do is sit down with every family who suffered a loss like yours and sit down with a case and be with them Peterson wasn't satisfied with that answer. She kept challenging Eric that night. But he made it out of that debate and kept talking about his plans to give more second chances in November twenty seventeen he won the race for it was a landslide. Next time on charged dry tries to get into Weiss EP the diversion program and discovers the stakes fifteen years. That's a long time. Like, I'll feel like I won't be able to see my family fifteen years. That's like my whole life. This charge was produced by Alvin mala and written by me jacket is our senior editor mixed by Catherine may Mondo mastering by America. If you wanna learn more about the issues raised in this show. I have a new book out. It's also called charged. Check it out wherever you buy books. 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The Hungriest Boy, Eyeglasses for Cannibal Chickens, Champion Guppy Gulpers

The Weirdest Thing I Learned This Week

47:42 min | 1 year ago

The Hungriest Boy, Eyeglasses for Cannibal Chickens, Champion Guppy Gulpers

"He weirdoes. It's Rachel before we get started. I just wanted to let you know that the sound quality might sound a little different from our usual episode which you guessed it is because you're about to hear part two of our live show which was on June fourteenth at Caveat in New York City city. We had so much fun. It was our third sold out show in a row and we would love it. If you joined us next time a few things to note for free listen to part two you may hear US reference a drinking game because there was a drinking game and we will put the rules on pop side Dot com slash weird we encourage you to play along as long as you are allowed to drink. According to the law wherever you are and where you are is not behind the wheel of a moving vehicle we may also mentioned visually AIDS and we promise we'll think to anything being relevant or just especially hilarious on pop side dot com slash weird but we made a lot of photoshop jokes so like it's not all going to be in there. Sorry you should just come to the next live show just one more thing before we get into it. I am sad to say that after this there there will be just one more episode of the weirdest thing I learned this week for the season. Sorry other I mean don't worry we will be back in the fall recharge rested and ready to serve you the weirdest facts yet in the meantime keep leaving us those gorgeous five star reviews on apple which we appreciate so much and which help other Weirdos find the show you can also send us voice messages on the anchor APP or the anchor website and we will definitely be doing another her season break bonus episode featuring some of your favorite weird facts sent via voice mess it so please send them also feel free to get in touch on twitter at we just underscore thing or via voice message. If you have ideas for a bonus episode you might remember in the break between season one and season two. We compiled a bunch of data about what had gone on in weirdest thing and whether weird body horror stories or weird animal stories were more likely to win et Cetera CETERA. If you like that let us know we can totally do it again or if there's some other breaking format weirdest thing show you think would be awesome. Give us a shout and we will give you credit when we do it and it's great okay so like I said we will be back next week with one more. We're show that for now. Sit back and enjoy part two of our latest evening at Caveat Science we report and write dozens of signs and heck stories every week and while most of the stuff we stumble across mix into our articles we also find plenty of weird facts that we just keep around the office so we figured why not share those with you. Welcome to the weirdest thing I learned this week. I'm Rachel Feldman. I'm I'm just bodey. Thank you so on the weirdest thing I learned this week. We start by offering up some kind of little tease about some kind of factor story we found in the course of reading writing reporting being fascinating people and then we decided which one we absolutely absolutely have to hear more about first then once we've all had time to spin little science yarns we reconvene and decide the weirdest thing we learned this week actually was just. Would you like to start with your T.'s oh I would. There's this really weird thing where the early twentieth century you could buy eyeglasses for your chicken from the sears catalog but they were not to improve your chickens visual acuity. That's all I will say shocking right. I would have thought they were reading glasses for the chicken. I think Korean how about your teeth. My tease is that there was once a time where there was an organization called the Inter collegiate guppy swallowing association coca coca-cola totally normal great somebody in the audience that hard pass audibly appalled I would say mighty is is that I have the story if a man who literally couldn't stop eating and the story of how it drove him to do unspeakable things as great as that reaction was just something just tells me that we need to start with your fact. That's interesting so plan so chicken eyeglasses I want to thank my friend clear Gilman who just mentioned chicken eyeglasses and casual conversation and sent me down this crazy rabbits why this show works is we're. These people told on the conversation exactly exactly so okay. I we're going to travel back to nineteenth century Great Britain. It is eighteen forty two and Queen Victoria is obsessed with chickens British explorers that year returned to her with seven coach in China foul also sometimes known as Shanghai chickens. That's the is and I also want to say now yes. They're very fluffy. I love that the ones on the left the description is buff coach ins which which workout it refers to the color but they also but they were obviously so big and beautiful she was very obsessed with them. She built them to the giant decked-out aviary she would sit in there and like drinker t like a great British royal well end to interrupt briefly because we always have to talk about how Zini Zany Victorian era was don't know Queen Victoria with like the pop star of her day and anything she was into 'cause she was like a young queen she was unmarried when she took the throne right so anything she was into swept not just the nation but the continent. She invented white wedding dresses because she doesn't like the color white she thought she looked good knit because her husband was Australian she she brought Christmas trees out of the Austrian German world just like anything she was into <hes> people love so chicken. It's funny you should mention that Rachel really because she loved chicken so much that she bred these coaches in her aviary and she sent the eggs to Oliver Royal Friends and family and they had chickens and they're like Oh my God we love chickens and then the general public was like Yo Crematoria loves chickens we love chickens so it swept not only Europe and Britain of course but also Oh into the Americas soon now that everybody knew about chickens. Everybody was infected with hen fever. This was a real term. It's not a deadly disease but it just means that you like really love chickens. It was like any other chickens like really really I would love to see this version of reefer madness and soon enough Americans did also have fever in that kicked off in eighteen forty nine when the first poultry show came to Boston ten thousand people attended to see all of the chicken breeds and this is really went hand fever became truly pandemic and before all of this farmers were really not into chickens and they pretty much thought they were lowly and useless and they didn't even record them as property in their farm inventory but according to a national geographic story on this craze written by a writer named Emelin rude who is basically a chicken store inches entire book on this. She says poultry fanatics found themselves spending one dollar on a single egg or up to one hundred twenty dollars on a pair of fouls and that's the equivalent today of thirty dollars per egg and thirty six hundred dollars for a pair of birds which wow seems unfathomable to me. Personally is already spent a lot of money buying eggs in New York so. As those shows continued they're still a thing in north Oxford Massachusetts these quote unquote hen men which sounds like a terrible sub read it that I don't ever want to read. I believe that one blew do these men started breeding their own chicken lineages and one of these is the Brahma hen which is that chicken that was like that big chicken meam a few years ago where this hen like steps out of the coupe and nobody nobody thought it was real labor like this is a man in a suit. This is not real but it's a real chicken bread from hen fever. They were two and a half feet tall. What Hath Man Rod Walking Upright? It's it's pretty scary and I read that. If you were to like pluck in cook the chicken it would feed a family of four for how long so anyway as chickens became more of a thing in the U._S.. Their eggs became cheap and available started eating the more and an editorial in The New York Times in eighteen fifty four called the migrate quote Unquote Thinking Food and that they were just a great practical excellent outcome of fever and for that reason when it comes to head fever editorialist for the time so the country should let it rage and boy did we today there are a handful of breeds people use four farming with regard to chickens. Most grocery bags come from leghorn chickens. How do I laser point leghorn chickens and the Rhode Island red? Oh so along the way farmers and chicken enthusiasts I kept having this weird issue in their coops though and that issue was cannibalism that's right yeah that's terrifying. That's right all right it would be. I would not like that. I don't like it and I'm a giant. It's so it's a bigger effect when it's on this slide going to be up for a long time Coron and we're gonNA come back to later so yes. Chickens are bloodthirsty cute. They become enraged at the sight of what and then they just pack and pack and pack until their chicken associate is a lifeless bloody pulp of its former self and okay so this does make sense evolutionary hens in the wild when they were to hunt lizards or insects or that kind of thing they would know okay like that. Things injured go after it or you know I picked it is bleeding. I'm going to continue to pick it until it dies so I can eat it and that makes sense but obviously that it causes some trouble. Domesticated coupes especially because chickens do peck each other to establish the pecking order which is it's like the order of dominance and trends body and then things got out of hand and while we're on the topic of chicken blood I can't not bring up circus geeks. Wow we got some gigging fans out there to see it so uh-huh Geek show and the circus was an act where a person usually was like an opening act where a person in a ring would chase around if you check ins and then when that person call the chicken they would hold it and then bite its head off with their teeth life and then eat the head which you know good clean American fun if it's good enough for Ozzy true true and it also inspired one of my favorite onion headlines which is pregnant circus circus gig now biting heads off chicken her to Oh we love it. We love it anyway back to Cannibal chickens. It's obviously a problem home and it does usually happen when hens are unhappy so there temperatures two hundred colds their diet is deficient in some way space all concerning things that stress you out and farmers were concerned. There was unrest unrest in the coupe. They were losing chickens just a bad time all around and instead of improving their animals living conditions it turned to eyeglass so prepare yourselves for the side aw so these panted in nineteen oh three they so this first one on the left was is just that was the first patent and it was meant to just prepare protect rather the is from another chicken pecking but the later iterations so there's also that we're like blinders on a hinge so standing up a chicken couldn't see forward or word and the idea is there. The chicken needs to see to like have a target and peck and to see the blood but then when they would bend down to eat their grain they would like lift up so they can look down but not straight ahead. It's so elaborate it is so elaborate hysterical to me and so then these rose colored ones and earlier when Jason was looking at my slides he said the one on the top rate looks like Bano. I can totally see it yeah one hundred percent so these rose colored ones are meant to just make everything look read so that the chickens can't see the blood it just disguises the color of blood so they did work apparently but you also have to like a fix them so you can see on the bottom right. There's like a little pin so the way that you affects them. Sometimes you just hook them. In the Nostril of the beak other times you would essentially pierce the Septum of the chicken yeah not. It's not super chill in the nineties. One inventor made rose colored contact lenses take that he he was a little bit weird. If you couldn't tell he kept a jar of all of his failed lenses on his desk and there were hundreds of them and one of his employees they look like jelly beans which is really weird and they didn't catch on because like nobody wants to put a contact lens ends and chickens. I and also the chickens like went blind. They were clearly uncomfortable. Peck the air it was not a good situation today. People just use a red lightbulb in the coupe because of course I because Da and the Penn State College of agricultural sciences also suggests feeding chickens a handful of fresh Greens everyday like weeds or clover-grass because more fiber will keep their gizzards fool making them more content and less wildly. That's true for me as well I yes yes and it also helps to get their energy in a large enclosed chicken run that helps lower their stress so that's my chicken back. I love chickens. I think I had fever now and let it rage okay. We're GONNA take a very quick break because I let chickens go over because I hadn't tale so we're going to break and the music should start and then we're GONNA be right back but some more this episode of the weirdest thing I learned this week is brought to you by anchor anchors. Here is an APP and website that lets you create your podcast for free. It's super easy and has everything you need to create the show you WanNa make in one place the Lychee record and edit directly in their APP plus. They'll distribute your podcast everywhere apple podcasts spotify and more. It's what we use to distribute the show that you're listening to right now plus. They'll connect you with advertisers so you can make money on your podcast. Download the anchor APP or go to anchor Dot F._M.. To get started. And we're back and curren arrows great speaking of Geeking. I think you have something about people swallowing some guppies yeah. It's it's kind of a situation so I'm going to start with a story that happened in April. Two Thousand Sixteen a twenty eight year old fellow checked himself into the E._R.. At Erasmus University medical centre in Rotterdam and what he told the doctors was that he was having a lot of trouble swallowing and his throat just generally felt swollen and it will become relevant later that he was also drunk and like high the off his and the medical term yes so the anti is examined him and they discovered heard that this young gentleman had been catfish te and I mean that quite literally they snaked an endoscope through his nose and they discovered as the case study authors wrote in their paper quote a official like structure. I wonder what that could be. I I have no idea it's so strange so they gave him a C._A._T.. Scan and behold there was a approximately three inch obstruction rate near the guys Larry Senate had add some pro tube rinses of as if to be thins it was this guy I'm sorry I know it's a pet catfish scooped at the prime of his life straight out out of an aquarium and when presented with this information are drunk and high friend managed to jog his memory and figure out how this thing got in his throat. He and his friends were having a good time apparently hey this is something they would do often and one by one going around the room and scooping goldfish out of there aquarium swallowing the goldfish hole and then going on to the next guy in the little slippery suckers just go right down eventually all all livery sucker eventually all that is left. Is this catfish who was the largest one of the group and what happened was one friend tried to swallow the catfish and it jumped back out and started flopping around on the coffee coffee table but our hero not to be outdone takes a slug a beer picks up the fish throws it back fishes gone. He then starts to cough he then take some more beer. He's he's acting as if this fish has perhaps gone down the wrong pipe because apparently there's a right pipe for live fish to go down. There's wrenching and vomiting. There's beer there's blood and again for some reason they don't go to the hospital right away away and they leave enough time that he is completely forgotten that this incident has happened so the reason that this was particularly terrible is a defense mechanism that a catfish has when you stress a catfish hat fish out by you know. I don't know shoving it into your mouth. When it's still alive they're these spines in its door sills and its flippers that go rigid in the wild? This is a defense mechanism. It's like Yo- Predator get off. Please back the hell away from me but if you're just a drunken idiot it has the effect of lodging the fish deep inside your throat. No thank you yes one of the doctors commented that the corridors aeneas which is the scientific name for the common domestic aquarium catfish is quote not a good choice for a drinking game so I ask naturally well what exactly exactly is a good choice for a drinking game. Maybe true I think so different kind of goldfish though but one of the study authors did tell live science that perhaps goldfish would be a little bit slippery or and might have been a better plan on as if that was still it's just it seems like the wrong situation to be like kids if you're GonNa do it right and with a goldfish so but unfortunately the notion of swallowing goldfish is something the Internet already knows quite well. There's something called the goldfish challenge that is exactly what it sounds like swallow alive goldfish record it on video and posted on Youtube to impress your friends or something most popularly popularly in recent memory is our very own darling lovely Stevo who hoped to guppies in live video only to vomit them back up still alive very shortly thereafter they lived right but the thing about it is that people have been doing this particular breed of nonsense for over eighty years. I introduced to you loath rope Winnington Winnington Junior. That's the name of a man who swallows fish. If ever I heard one in nineteen thirty nine our friend Laura through was a freshman at Harvard University yeah that tracks yeah right. This is an an image from a story in life. Magazine seems what happened was had been bragging to his buddies as college boys tend to do that. He had once swallowed a goldfish after seeing someone do it while he was on vacation and his friends said cool. I will give you ten dollars. He gave him ten dollars. He swallowed the fish but it's kind of hard to figure out where exactly our friend rip saw this initially there are some reports about people all in the nineteen twenties watching bartenders do this just as kind of like a stunt to try to push drinks. There's one guy in Chicago who used to do a hand fake and switch the fish with a carrot because similar color and then do the chewing thing and the stupid patrons would also then try to swallow the fish but that's as early as we can go people intentionally swallowing fish for sport before that we know though that people did this by accident quite a bit there is a paper published published literature review from two thousand seventeen from the Cleveland Clinic and they found that fishermen and other people accidentally ingest live fish at a semi alarming rate they found seventy five individual case studies things like there was was a priest swimming taken a little dip in a lake. He opened his mouth in Wena fish. Apparently of God right there are I don't I if you will there are fishermen who apparently need free hands so they decide the best place to hold of live fish is in their lips and the fish wiggles and slides in and there's also one story of a fisherman who was so pleased with his first catch that he gave it a celebratory kiss and apparently his mouth was open and in went the fish. If you're gonNA catch a fish don't French it just just like a little little cheese. That's all he does yes but unfortunately these these are all good explanations. There is absolutely no explanation for north rope or what happened after he became famous for swallowing this fish it started a collegiate guppy swallowing forensic. It's like the tide pod challenge but with living things it's just a really great idea so this swept around very very quickly and it became very competitive. It was sort of everybody trying to one up each other swallow more fish than the previous person. Like a one fish two fish what the actual is wrong with you. Fish it was someone at Penn State twelve twenty three in one sitting someone at mit swallowed forty two and we know this because this was governed by by the rules of the intercollegiate guppy swallowing association and there were rules the fish had to be at least three inches long and you had to keep them in your stomach for at least twelve hours. There is no vomiting uh breaking ceilings. This is Marie Hansen. She was the first woman to compete the only fish swallowed. I respect good for her happy. She ends. She's so happy she was a student. At at the University of Missouri School of Journalism. The highest count that I've been able to corroborate is from Clark University someone down ninety eight fish in one go and I was horrified because I just was appalled and just very curious and worried like what they're no. Reports of people getting really sick. I did find one story though that cited a doctorate U._C._l._A.. Who said that he did the math and the adult male stomach can safely hold approximately accidentally one hundred and fifty live goldfish? The human body is incredible but that the fad fortunately only lasted for the nineteen thirty nine year. It still happens today like we. He said the aforementioned goldfish challenge. It's a common hazing ritual on college campuses. There's a big Saint Patrick's Day party at Colby College in Maine where people swallow live Goldfish it can also get you arrested and on Pitas bad list. They've obviously come out against this. There's a kid this guy swallow to Goldfish was then fined two hundred pounds and banned from owning animals for a year and our friend with his headline in the sun had been one of Margaret Thatcher's pallbearers one to fish eh county fair and promptly drank them. What a connection great handle? It's completely absurd but so is the fear of the law wasn't enough or bacteria or tapeworms. You know I just if if I need to continue to deter people I'm going to because this is now my life's quest. I mean people a not insignificant number of people go to the E._R. With live eels in their butts yes this is also true statement. I'm not surprised that people continue continue to swallow live goldfish but I just want to sit here and take this last minute to implore everyone to just think about the fish. I have so many questions what happens to a fish when you swallow it live live. If I have a stomach full of water just make like a really dark strange fishbowl that he's going to hang out in. If I had a couple of Margaritas does it turn into Savitri what exactly is going on and so the Cleveland Clinic Paper helped me figure out some of this first of all the fleshy parts of the fish break down very quickly in the human body so if you're one of the unfortunates who has tried this and gotten something stuck it will oh probably wear itself out not physically but just your body will break it down rather quickly and you'll be able to pass it or somebody who can reach in and Yank it back out but if the fish does make it into the digestive tract alive. It's not terribly pleasant as we swallow things. Things are a parasol says through our throat. That's kind of squeezing him so he's getting this weird little like massage hug thing on the way down makes it to the stomach cool stomach full of water great safe zone. No Ninety eight point six degrees is a little a bit warm for a Goldfish. You're not GonNa Cook it but what's going to happen is water at that temperature doesn't dissolve oxygen very well so the fish can't breathe and then there's the stomach acid which obviously is gross but the biggest problem is our digestive enzyme Pepsi which it's has the sole job of breaking down proteins and what is fish made of it's an excellent source of protein and Omega threes so while this fish is down there alive right remaking making the case for not swallowing live goldfish. Yes don't swallow the live goldfish their pills for that so he's down there and he's like cool. I'm still in the water. I'm alive but there's not enough oxygen in this water and every time he tries and struggles to breathe. He's actually sucking in poison that is going to kill him faster. It's really sad I found one biologist who gave an estimate to a publication called the Independent. He said it Max fish can probably survive for five minutes in this environment which is house tvos came back cout still flopping and living and loving and being like dude I win if you have a stomach full of alcohol however as we all know it can actually have an anaesthetic effect it will chill chill the fish he'll just kinda pass out and you know go on his his own bleak dark internal end but he won't be feeling that good night. He won't be feeling fortunately any pain mm-hmm so if you're GONNA do it I guess the beer is probably the best plan but I'm just going to really ask everyone to not swallow their pets reasonable a hot take the hottest artist. Take a bold Dan thank you and we're going to take a very quick break and then we'll be back with one more <music>. Do this episode of the weirdest thing I learned this week is brought to you by spotify. If you're listening to this you obviously like podcasts and you probably like music to on spotify. 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Hold onto under your butts so hunger we all experience it in seventeen seventy two a man now referred to only as terrar-. That's how the Internet told me it's pronounced but I don't speak French. So if I'm wrong I tried. He was born in rural France. We don't know if that was his real name or nickname. This is how he is referred to. In all the literature we have he was reportedly pretty average except for one thing his appetite tape drive was a hungry boy he could eat a quarter of a cow by the time he was a teenager. Even though he himself we'd only one hundred pounds or so and if you're like why not a whole cow like a cow is a lot and allegedly really hard to verify but according to scholars where writing about him in the seventeen hundreds his family kicked him out because they couldn't feed him they were like you're literally eating us out of House and home you eaten the cows. You've eaten the house. House please leave and so he set off to make his own fortune and find his own food he kind of got in with a bunch of ne'er dwells he was a Parisian street performer and he made a pretty decent living eating gross amounts of stuff and also just plain gross stuff breath like corks rocks whatever he could find anything he could swallow that would impress people and make them throw money at him and that went pretty smoothly except for a few instances of bowel obstruction which he ended up in the hospital for but life was just kind of rolling on for Tara Art through his teen years as a showman and let's pause to emphasize that terrar- despite eating everything he could find was not overweight reports say he was actually pretty waifish. They say he had very pale skin and very fine light hair and in fact the only unusual thing about him was that he had an abnormally wide mouth in which his teeth were heavily stained and on which the lips were almost invisible to which I say like the Bob Cook doc except blonde and French so now that we have that visual apparently apparently is body also had lots of sagging excess skin to accommodate his gaping maw and also his post meal belly distension so he was a very thin. I'm not unusually thin just like a normal sized guy. Even though he was eating eating what sounds like probably tens of thousands of calories day and he was not Michael Phelps man was not swimming laps to burn that off so okay you have an image of him in your head and on the screen this is staying hang on for a while by the way I don't have a lot of imagery for terrar- so and I spent an embarrassing about of time putting this beret on the Bubba from all on the outbreak of the war of the first coalition terrar- joined the French Revolutionary Army because I guess he wasn't getting enough to eat as a street performer but military rations could not satisfy him even though he apparently became very conscientious and did a bunch of chores for the other men in the army so that they would give him some of their rations he was still like eating scraps and he actually ended up in the military hospital with like malnutrition and exhaustion eating even more than the average man he was acting as if he was being starved to death and in the hospital oh he was given quadruple rations but he was still found scavenging for garbage and then even found him in the infirmary taking the herbal poultices like the smashed up herbs and medicinal plants that were placed on people's those wounds and he was just eating them. He got more desperate later. Let me tell you what it gets dark. There's white it's not dark yet. No okay so there's one anecdote in the medical literature about a time when his doctors they had been like restraining him you know they're trying to keep him on this restricted quadrupled Diet and he just was always escaping and trying to eat more food and so they decided once that there is this meal set out for like fifteen laborers who were supposed to be eating at the end of a day of hard physical labor and they decided they weren't going to restrain him and he ate it. All it was a two giant meat pies meant for fifteen men four gallons of milk okay and several large dishes of Grease and salt which is eighteenth century France. I guess was a condiment. It's what I had for lunch like eating kept up and then he just fell asleep. He was pretty content tent until he woke up and was hungry again. According to one doctor's report he was known t swallow allied you'll once he probably could've eaten many hundreds of Goldfish so many hundreds so many goldfish there is one report and I don't know how true this is because like eighteenth century doctors. I can't ask them but he allegedly once was handed alive cat while Hungary tore it open drank. Its blood guts would make a good circus geek. Yes he would have been fantastic. I mean that's basically what he was doing. As a street performer he was the original Geek I would say and according to the doctor he then like puked up just the bones in the for like an owl which sounds absurd to me but on the other hand. I've never watched a human eat a whole life cat so like maybe that is what we would do if we eat a whole life cat. I don't know though dubious shore but what's more devious is that doctors were all like work other than his appetite. He's really of sound mind. He's he's perfectly normal man except for all of this cat that he was never put in an asylum. They were just like yeah. It's a real shame that this totally normal guy just keeps eating live cats in front of us which just says a lot about the eighteenth century in France and in fact he was made a spy by the army very briefly he was not very good at it so some combination of him having this idea and then thing and people in the army you know hearing about his talents led to the suggestion that he could swallow military secrets and take them across lines so he demonstrated that he could swallow a wooden box containing being a letter and then reproduce it at a later time and a general who was apparently the only sane person involved in the story was like Ken we trust this guy who eats live cats to carry Harry military secrets so he gave him a dummy letter. It basically said like please confirm receipts of this poops letter thank you signed general and that was very fortunate because the Prussian army actually captured him he had been pretending to German peasant and the one flaw in that plan was that he spoke no German so it was like that scene from inglorious bastards he just stood no chance and after a little bit of light torture he confessed he did hold out for a while. He wanted to be a good spy. He wanted there to be a reason. Why God had given him this hunger I imagine but he eventually confessed and he was like I have a serious military secret because he thought he did and then they held him over latrine until he pooped the military secret which turned out to be the dummy letter saying? Please tell me whether or not this guy actually delivered this to you and the Prussian army was very mad and so they staged a mock execution that's not clear whether they actually intended to hang him in the <unk> mind or if they just wanted to scare him but in any case he was not actually executed he was beaten and sent home and at that point he started to beg for a cure he was like let's try anything. They tried tobacco Vacco pills. They tried laudanum at one point. They even were like what if we just feed you so many hard boiled eggs in the morning that you can't possibly be hungry for anything else because that's a sustainable thing we can just get you hundreds of eggs and he was still hungry. There was is no amount of eggs that could satisfy him even though they're a good thinking food or great so he was in the hospital for a while. They're constantly looking for a cure. He was like a permanent resident and then then there started to be rumors of him getting caught in the mork nine on things going into where people were having bloodletting treatments and dislike taking a sip and then. A toddler went missing from the hospital and I'm saying that terrar- eight the toddler but I will say that no one was willing to vouch for him not having eaten the toddler and so he was turned out of the hospital doctors were all like I won't take my reputation on you not eating live child so he went off to make his unfortunate again and sadly maybe not Saba if he was out eating children in his twenties. He got very sick. He'd had chronic diarrhea his whole life which will shock you. I'm sure you went back to one of the doctors who treated him and he actually said I'm dying. I know I'm dying and I think it's because of a gold fork. I swallowed once that never came out because I guess he had a really good record of the exit of the non-food things he ate which is probably a good thing to do if you're like eating rocks and gold forks so he was like yeah that one gold for the God away in in my intestine have so many questions for our very pointy yeah well you know what he had to make. A living is a showman all the wooden box like do you think splinters were in that. I did think about that and I also had questioned about the size of the wooden box. There was a small wooden box with a hole yep letter in it like a carrier pigeon sized note I hope but the doctor was like you're dying because you have to burke yellow sus but he he did really WanNa autopsy him because you know what a what a fascinating man what a character and his corpse rotted really quickly when he died and a lot of the surgeons were like no thank you but this one doctor really wanted to know why terrar- was so different so and he also wanted to find that gold fork at the autopsy they found a few things they found that his gullet was abnormally wide. They said that when they opened his jaw they could see straight down a broad canal into the stomach which is just like I mean. I don't think that's why he was so hungry. This is a consequence of having swallowed he did it. They stretch constant. Yes yes yeah he was. He had limbered up his gullet. His stomach was is enormous. It took up almost his whole abdominal cavity covered in ulcers also he was he was not in a good way his liver and gall bladder very large he had all of the internal symptoms you would expect if someone who would eat non-food in huge quantities and humans possibly dead humans live toddler demons whatever was around. They didn't come to any conclusions other than like yeah that was a weird body had some stuff going on weirdly weirdly. There was another Guy Charles. Marie who is a contemporary he's alive thoroughly at the same time and he was a Polish soldier who found similar tales or all these stories about how he just couldn't stop eating and people will do weird experiments where they would just give him a bunch of non-food. Can you just be like Gab and hungry E._P._S.. Candles and the really cool thing about Charles is that he jumped ship from the PRUSSIAN army to the French army because he thought they would have more food there. He probably lived a pretty tragic life if as well there's less known about him. I hope that they were friends. I hope they got to talk about their hardship. Their shared hardship so the question is like what's going on okay so we know their conditions where people tend to overeat there are our genetic conditions where people start to have a really intense hunger starting in childhood but most of those people gain lots of weight they gain the weight you would expect them to gain based on their caloric intake. They're very rare conditions where people can't stored body fat at all so they have to eat constantly lean to provide energy to their body because they have no energy stores but that's very different from the way these men look and acted because it is very obvious looking at those individuals that they have no body fat and these guys just looked pretty normal but one clue is that both of them are said to sweat a lot and they were sent to smell very bad which is because they were eating dead things all the time but there's some evidence that they both had trouble sleeping have night sweats so the probably have some kind of hyperthyroidism which lends itself to overeating and maybe having a metabolic rate that keeps that from making you gain weight in some cases but we don't see anything to this extreme in modern literature at all so of course it's possible possible that some of this was embellished. I mean again it was the eighteenth century I can't ask but there are a couple of researchers who suggest that maybe they had injuries to their Magdala that could have changed their metabolic rate and air patterns of eating and maybe combined with some kind of hyperthyroidism the fact that there were two of them in such close proximity is still fascinating to me and we'll probably never know why I mean I suspect that may be one of their cases was this extreme dream and the other was exaggerated because there were doctors talking about this guy's extreme case. It's probably not a coincidence that they were at the same time. There were probably doctors who were trying to one up each other but it's fascinating stuff so one thing about terrar- is that he did live on in public consciousness. He has a page on T._v.. trope devoted to Him T._v.. Trump is where we talk about troops in T._v.. And movies and there's a there's a T._v.. trope called horror hunger which is when a character is just consumed by an overwhelming hunger that changes their personality like Ed Hardy and Venom Tom Hardy. I'm sorry I do that different. That's totally different. He's clearly superior hardy. I'm really sorry to Tom Hardy that I did that at Hardee's dumb Tom Hardy is at least a very attractive man and really sold this role he committed and it's not a very good movie so Kudos to him hungry boy. I heard that the scene was his idea that he imprompt this. He jumps into the lobster to see this film. Yes so I think we just got the highlight reel. That's the trope of her hunger where you just can't help yourself and terrar- is considered a prime example of that. He also is the subject of a weird opera with puppets and really that's all any of us can hope for so R._I._p.. To the hungriest boy who ever lived and in those facts so stan would you come out and give us our applause meter again thing. Can we get some applause for Stanford joining us for our segments all right so what was the weirdest thing we learn this week was it the origin of rose colored glasses. Wasn't that men swallow Goldfish it was it the hungriest boy who ever lived Stan. What's the verdict? I think it was close. Was the harvest the right cool well. I'm really glad I saved the best crown for myself. It plays noise. I'll play it for you. It won't stop. It won't stop now so this is the weirdest thing I learned. This week is a popular science podcast where available on all major podcast platforms so subscribe wherever you're listening now and if.

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WHOA CHARISMA DUMP STAT tease? Lets you display it on a regular premium or Venus shirt in a ton of colors stick around after the episode for our Discount Code that gets you ten percent off then get your dumps debt et de Stat now in our last episode. The party laid the smackdown on some cultists that had strep prisoner to a big weird crystal along the way they made a lot of noise which attracted a cooking sneak rooms in to investigate. That's where we're diving in. Let's hit it and so in this moment drinking healing potion ill dog cast disguise self to disguise herself as the drought Kassian drank healing potion and cast major image to disguise the drowsy body yardstick pulled up the hood and then I'm GonNa just trying to put my hand on the thinly I'm holding the past a prisoner down okay <hes> so the doors the the double doors fly open and an run to snakehead bras and they run in and they look around in the go what's happened. They didn't we heard are loud. Noise infiltrators fools. You got here too late. We it's the situation is dealt with in the voice of the cultist. Oh Yeah but you remember so before before can say anything. The snake grows respond to Kassian. They look at Kassian and they're like who are you that you would be dressed this way. Marie your robes all burns off. I I just got back from the surface on a very important mission roll. Roll deception are robes completely burned off. We don't have the roads on anymore. I love doesn't she's just at the drought she il Il Dobbs in disguise. Cassius has gone because he was on fire for like three rounds alien. You probably have have like half of yours and all of mine and Kassian disadvantage. Can I yelled back to rape did I am I technically lying. I did just come back from the surface on a very important. Who is it GONNA lie? Here's the thing you are lying because you didn't come back from the surface came down to what would you that loud noise. You heard was a lightning bolt hit all of us mostly why food because it did because it burned off ropes. That's telling what it is to give you that back there so that they can understand why okay yeah yeah lost on robes roll roll persuasion and I'm going to help out in like look okay. That's sorry my low role role was still. I still get a twenty three seventeen. I was just about to say like yeah. They burned are robes off as the drawl. Ill will okay okay. They had defected though what really disaffected droughts they burned are fricking robes. Who is this day? I see only the corpses of prisoners we drove them off. They were disguised as prisoners. You Idiot and these these these these traitorous wretches choose. I kicked three cultists disguised as members of us because the Celtics are still ministers yeah so the snake boroughs walk into the room and they begin to look around and they close the door see sort of look up and they're looking around and assessing the situation they see you're holding the prisoner into the the manacles and one of them sort of walks over toes one of the cultist corpses and then one of them walks past <hes> to inspect the the dead prisoners one of whom is still alive but <hes> sort of walks past the major image that <hes> that cassie and put up and starts like flicking. It's tongue in and out it's sort of walks over to where the major images goes to kick at the corpse and when it does the image the corpse remains where it is and a different corpse rolls out. I'm casting suggestion on the on the snake. That's closer to me and I'm saying Q.. Your ally it was a fifteen wisdom. It is in eighteen so the the snake fro reaches down grabs it Scimitar and having heard what you said and felt the magic trying to put an impression on it it immediately begin stocking towards you will use the same initiative that we had for last time stick with this initiative order so moms the doors but we'll start with Kassian. Oh okay how are ways the snake me where we have many four. It's by the corpse right. Yes it is by the corpse okay and the other one. That's where that's okay. There's three of them one. That's one Oh oh yeah it was okay. Oh Yeah. Why am I buy that body? I thought I had moved. That was the body the drought you just kicked. He didn't kick it. Alison terrar- raw kicked a different over here that Kerry am I with in okay. I'm within sixty feet of the snake. That's by okay. I'm Sh- and give them a the one that's close to that one. Yes yes is has advantage any rolled a one and a two wait. Why does he have these teachers have magical resistance they get advantage on saving wonder okay okay so then he will take relief yeah okay so thirty six seven like damage and he has to flee far right so he's only I'll see open doors so he's GonNa run run out the open doors? That's not a way for me. I'm between him and the so he's going to run thirty feet towards the door. He is within fifteen feet of me and I get an attack opportunities opportunity. You do so good. I still fiery so sh- so role a d twenty over his legs. Try to trip him. See Real de Twenty at your debt. Oh Darn not great right yeah definitely miss <hes> three three does not so. I'm still this your first time. I always little disappointing yeah so you whip it what you don't particularly good. A good and it continues to run and makes it about thirty feet not quite out the door towards the door. Alien is your turn. I'm going to cost a spell but and as magical resistance which sucks so <hes> nothing much I can do here well so it isn't a spell but I can just attack the Guy Right. What so what all I was GONNA say? Is that what you would know oh of like creatures that haven't eight-match resistances it's that they have resistance to saving throws yeah but not necessarily to like direct damage. Oh God it okay so <hes> is the door still open far far far that I'm going to run up in cast yeah I mean I'm just GonNa do scorching ray again on okay just that one okay so three yet ruled three TAT's twenty-one Hits Sixteen Hits and Anat twenty four six and then role to six double the last two six fire damage for ray yes so role forty six for the first two and then the last one was a critical Mellon well now to eight eleven for the first two raised over there and then the last one was the last one to six and you double double that okay I'll eh ten for the last one ten so so twenty one so you make sure you you raise your hand to cast scorching ray and this time you like grip your risk the other hand cady weaver stance and to you fire off three raise and they usually hawker show shit yeah just rake up the spine this creature and and it looks like it fully took all that damage you can smell like burning scales in the air her nothing nothing. There's nothing for like it's just it's basically wearing like a loincloth in pants but it's it's test is big on clock over the pants. I guess not really a loincloth. It's more like a Tartan. Look a superman thing. What the trunks on the outside? It's more like Quayle Man Okay Quayle Man <hes> yeah so it takes twenty one point of damage and you smell Bernard snake nice all right. I'm going to cast guiding bolts on that guy. Okay that is a seventeen to hit seventeen believe it's four six forty six. Oh that's crap five six seven eight nine no yeah nine nine points of pretty damaging so nine points of radiant damage on that one and whoever attacks next we'll have advantage exactly and then I'm GonNa move right up at the space get right up in his grill. <HES> next up is ild off which just walked away right okay <hes>. I was just been passed off to him right okay well. I'M GONNA just eldredge blast <hes> the guy that's running away. Okay so that's a that's eighteen eighteen hits K. so that's to ten the pleasant thing no no just duty so then it is eleven in points of damage okay so <hes> boom boom boom three scorching raise hit and then boom again a black force pool hits it in the back as it's still in the process of fleeing as it was compelled to that's <hes> <hes> damage and stuff. I realized I didn't write down how much damage it took from the from from its blowfish. Oh that's right. How do you remember how much is seven great <hes> and Dildo going to stay put <hes>? I think that she is going to move probably yeah let's she's a move a little bit farther away from this guy maybe move to close the doors okay <hes> and so also he now has advantage of the next person attacks on so ooh that dude is going to is going to now has scimitar out is GonNa Swing at your Fiqh with it once on the slashing. This is ah yes. This is slashing. Excuse me half damage so that's a one thousand nine hundred hits does not hit resistance would give you have damage to that yes and then it is going to bite at you and that is a twenty three that doesn't which does hit so that is okay so <hes> it it bites you <hes> and you take to poison damage from the bite and the piercing damage is fourteen and it almost seems you're familiar enough with battle to know that that kind of attack shouldn't have have hercus badly as it did <hes> we have some magical things on these jerks and the other one now can stop fleeing as the distant whispers have worn off and it just going to turn around <hes> and as it turns sees ill dove is close so it is also going to do the Scimitar and and bite and the first one is a numbers are hard twenty three to hit on but she can use her her cloak. Yeah to impose dispense bandage thinks she might should so she will do that and then that is a seventeen to hit still disadvantage still hits and that also <hes> undoes the effect of the displace her cloak until her next turn so so that is going to be yeah <hes> that seven points of slashing damage no but there's still the and then it is going to fight at her and that is a twenty four so that is six points of piercing damage and seven points of poison damage. She's down to nine and now it is Kassian. stor Hassoun is going to raise up his hands say wait. Wait a minute Kassian saying all this forgotten. Something big forgot something they did you. He'll appoint appealing from Ozzy's tear about so he raises his hands. Oh wait a minute. We'll wait. Oh hold on a second. Oh wait just didn't start timer. Okay so I'm going to say I'm just going to say Lord while if Dope Ashwa someone a bunch of woes each roles to be four of four of them just inside the door right next to the other cultist and I'm GONNA call out to them. The snake people are not very unbranded frus. You've done snakes pretty much every time except for the except for the spider but it seems like you know what snake versus snake. I mean some hot snake action. I think you're gonNA like little levels. In the next that Texas snake broke its advantage on that sacred in front of us. They actually all have advantage whenever there next to ally pack tactics double advantage in Spanish does not stack so so you conjure some animals fe creatures appear and take the form of the animals of your choice you summon eight wolves <hes> all of them looking very will fish as one would assume as they. I'm also GONNA have them dressed in like suits like that like this little suits that people make dogs. They very proper waistcoats race coach their posh wolves. Okay hats okay sure they're ferries yeah you can their their magical creatures. Allow it through the wolves of Wall Street. ooh ooh that was that was pretty good. I got on that one might be the thing I get one. Everyone's today get to go on this turn or do they have to wait till next question. They're all strung out and cocaine the go now <hes> but they're all sad because their wives left them. It says role initiative for the summit creatures as a group which has its own turns. That's not how we've been handling it. We've been having them go in my turn but <hes> we'll we'll just say they go. They go on your next turn. They have summoning sickness that it's stuff say that they can't accurate way just make sure to yeah I mean they wouldn't they would even if we rolled initiative for them. They wouldn't go right now anyway. So can happen. Go on your turn next round <hes> so do you WanNa take another action or is that I dropped. Oh that actually means that that you are unable to move for return. No I dropped it way back when like in the hotel oh you did. I didn't hurt them. Calm cool then then you're all set so alien my turn drafted when he was put the major illusion I don't want to these wolves and I want to get ill too dangerous. I'M GONNA cosmetic missile on on the snake naked snake okay yes yes the three four normal level so oh my God i almost could not have rolled worse one or two and a one so that is to four plus three seven seven so you pugh three white hot darts come out they go and zoom in and hit that creature <hes> hit that snake directly in the chest not looking great definitely starting to breathe a little ragged that tongue as long out of its mouth a little bit but up every every bit of damage counts <hes> anything else many voters actions other. Other than changing the nature of the lash so yeah I'm just going to I'm going to run up and close the door. Okay cool. You can do that so you run up and go to close the doors yardstick. <hes> I am going to <hes> sacred sacred flame the guy in front of me okay. Let's a deck save. <hes> that is a four yet now he takes all the damage sorry sir see takes eight damage and then I'm going to cast mass healing word. I'm see everybody pick it up. We've got more here and <hes> keeping up the tradition of healing with Scott Music picking up ten points of healing to everybody and that applies only to allies right only allies and I get <hes> think like three more points because I'm good healer Beckham tour was before I got bit so ill <hes> disengage move away yeah well. I'll move actually over here so that if he wants if any of the snake Rose WanNa get me adding goes through wolves they're gonNA have to get a lot of tax of opportunity an elder really have much in the way of Otis actions. Does she know particular now. Okay then. I'm just GONNA do some finger. Guns should just just be threatening yeah yeah <hes> okay so the snake Bro <hes> that is closest to the door. <hes> is going to lash out with the Scimitar at one wolf that is a natural twenty ooh that so that is thirteen points of damage on that wolf and so get rid of one and then it is going to bite at another one and that is a nine which does not is <hes> so that's that one otherwise that was done the other one is going to continue attacking your fic- <hes> sword is Amiss and the bites is in eighteen so both tax services <hes> and Cassie Europe okay. I'm going to drop my drop is use tear. Just take out. I walk bow and shoot it right at the <hes> sleek despite a gardener okay yet enough to do you can fire over the wolves so not natural twenty ten that it's okay so you take Longbow Fire and Arrow <hes> sort of hit the the headed in the back in the Arrow sticks in <hes> and <hes> back up to the top. Oh sorry you all the wolves yes. I always forget about there but we don't have them on the issue of top but they will. They just go on his turn right. We decided they go on Kassian. Markazi realized the three of the the three by the door going dog pile okay wolf pile. We'll pile so let's nineteen <hes> twenty nine and a six all three your hands okay so those the bill judy porpoise too. I won his second wire six eight. Sorry there so yeah so the the wolves one after the other one leaps up onto the snake bro and just starts like biting at his shoulder the other one under the next wolf leaps onto his back and starts biting his neck and the third one just sort of like goes directly at its stomach and they irresolute to the ground and now they're just eating it nice wolves go you go all right so then the second group first one is going to be a sixteen and then on natural twenty two and one more. Are you sure it wasn't a natural twenty two right Nah. The last one I think is a miss it said okay yeah so three hits one for a second file school the Wolf Mound Amount Wolf heap those nine k. six and a four okay so just with with like practiced pack mentality the wolves are able to like dart in around him and just keep sort of like slashing at had him keeping him on his toes <hes> he's only able to avoid the final attack from the four of them <hes> and he is also like breathing very hard now not looking super great alien. He also has to succeed on Three D._C.. lebow yeah. I forgot outcry prone so that's doesn't that we'll get advantage on that well. No it was the next creature and we've already missed. Opportunity probably already had advantage they they all have advantage but I didn't help help them with somebody else <hes> so <hes> the he succeeds on the first two strength checks but he fails the last night so he's not prone now. It is how everybody has advantage that door door. I've already dead yeah <hes> so it's a owens and she walks over to the snake bro on the ground. I have advantage on him and I'm just going to execution style over the wolves <hes> fireball Tim Okay Yeah I've advantage on this. Yes technically when you're when they're actually as it's arranged attack you would have Disney attacked with your with you would have been oh well then. I'll do my whip yeah so I'll do my whip <hes> <hes> so role a d twenty young you do have advantage okay then you add your rule the eight both times <hes> sturdy one zero nine nine so <hes> <hes> you again it. You're like Ooh look at me. This is GonNa be so easy. He's lying down <hes> but just hard to get around those wolves don it sparks stutter onto some Practice York hammer just straight down his head going real for each. y'All do the first one which was a nine because the second was one nine total nine total. Take it again again didn't WanNa hit the wolves. Il Il Dove Kill this guy. We can't kill this weight the killer our midst is organic killer. She doesn't have any EH melee weapons. Oh don't she does have a short sword but she is going to yeah. Why not know she's just going to do an elderly blast just in case I know she has disadvantaged but the worst could happen as she hits so wolf that could happen to pick but I think she would probably be okay with? Oh Okay so eleven was the lesser of the to get her plus some of the front so that is yeah there the first page one to ten cool. Oh my goodness that was a fun roll six six points damage so into the the scrub of Wolves Ild off let's off and Eldridge blast and that one makes purchase and finds its way through everybody I know Duchess and that was arranged attack you now it is bad guys <hes> so the snake bro is not prone but not pinned to the ground so it's gonNA use half its movement to stand up <hes> and then it's just GonNa start like slashing wildly around so it's going to do scimitar slash to one side's GonNa get disadvantage on that if it's not to me because I'm GonNa Block it with people okay the lesser seventeen for the first one and then the second one is a fourteen in those are both hits on Wolves. Okay yes fourteen. I'm so that six points of damage to the first one nine points of damage to the second one okay so they have eleven points each so they're still up but they'll get hurt ones at five and then <hes> Kassian drum okay. I'm just GONNA. I'm going to have the wolves go. I hang hang back for a second to see how the wolves do finishing this guy off but I am going to sort of whistle to the three by the door and tell the compile on okay took seven wolves once make that is a twenty to we say he did ten ten ten does not take it twenty and eleven okay so that's five hits one. One of them is a net twenty so royal studi four each so do the non critic yeah so sixty four sixty four point advantage for sixty sixty four five six so plus to each sixty plus twelve eight <hes> no because it's it's <hes> to d four plus two or for three to eight cacique. It's it's four actually right Yup for were not yet. Yeah so it'll be <hes> plus eighty four forty so nineteen plus eight twenty twenty seven Yup the twenty seventh for the non critical 's then for a trick okay so all of the wolves just converge on this snake Bro and they are darting in and out of this like cloud of dust and that they've created just slashing like the they slash his Achilles tendons and falls to his knees and then finally one comes through and just full on ribs his throat out but he's still standing and now I need to seven strings yeah no he did. He is very good. <hes> so the the two snake pros are dead. The doors closed which okay I'M GONNA sign up to the door and see if if I can hear more people outside or like what the situation okay so casting you up to the door role perception. My wolves are flagging me as well perception of that's about twenty so you put your ear up to the door and listen and you hear the the normal sounds of of like this city out there of people walking by going to their destinations. You don't hear any quick footsteps or anything that would sound like someone running or or yelling. He doesn't seem thank you attract more attention excellent check been okay so you are you go over to the Bin and Title Dodge balls a couple of Fox. You don't need to roll anything for you can just look inside and what you see. Inside Is <hes> something you've seen before <hes> these are small cloudy Blue Jagged crystals that are about the size of your thumb. They're the same kind of crystals that you guys found in the wagon many moons ago what wagon outside of bus if year Oh these are those were read so these are more more crystals to animate objects so so they're taking magic out of prisoners putting it into little crystals and animating goggles with holding shoveling these in there okay okay and then I'm going to the prisoner out to the Selwyn radical right. We let the prisoner out. I'm going hand wave that for a couple of things I want to look at this book just cursory leaf through see what's in there and then I'm going to Arcane diviner the big crystal okay see what it does. I'm GONNA collect the robes that are not as damaged in trying to give them to the people that robes yeah so looking at the book it is a spell book which would be why the drought gripping it goes so you can. When you have some time later you can look through it and you might be able to transcribe smeller to into your own so you'll you'll get to see that later on Nice? When you use the Arcane diviner on the large crystal you take it out you smack Bobbitt do all those things turned into a student and that sort of Purple Sheen informs on it and in your head this crystal is is unique? It's almost difficult to define <hes> it is at one point it was a font of magic but but now it is more of a black hole for magic. Oh Sand what it does is once it's once it's empowered with some kind of energy what they were using this was lightning. It creates this siphon that that in that divet on the front end of it just sucks the sole directly out of a creature or am I n compress it into this small crystal and and if they are just normal everyday person with no arcane ability that crystal is inert and essentially useless if they have arcane ability than that crystal can be used to do further magic's so interesting <hes> so these crystals in my hair the souls of people will release them the fascinating and Morbid. Don't tell that forgot why yes no afternoon. He'll devastating thing off to the side salivating like I'm really hungry and I don't know why God do we have ten minutes here. We can take do you think I think we've got ten minutes. I say it doesn't sound like there's anybody. Nobody else had their attention attracted by this. I'm GONNA see Samican bar the door in any way okay. They're like latch. There's no latch or lock or bar once again like they. It's becoming clear in clear that they didn't feel the need to establish any kind of like safeguards down here. Is this just is. Is this just like just a big round room or are there stairs. Is there anything else is the only room in this building <hes> okay now. There's going to search bodies of the snake Bros.. Just for stuff see if she can't find any okay I mean they harm cemeteries daggers. They don't really have anything else pretty short on daggers we are here's traffic as you were going around to the cultus to grab their robes. There were three of them plus the drought <hes> one of them <hes> the robe is half burned <hes> because it got scorching raid <hes> one of them got disintegrated created by the lightning bolt. One of them has like a little bit of blood on it and that one's probably find to us and then the drought did never robe and had a cloak which you could probably use if you needed to write. I like it would probably reach around make it all the way around your body but otherwise you have essentially like one one more functional robe and a cloak now so I could give my close to somebody else's that didn't get singed and I can take you could accept remember you add you Hend Yours bullet. Tim Cut him okay well. We have one more functional robe of somebody needs it because you don't have all three of us. Don't have a functioning robe yours the only one that this one's got a little blood on it but education in that immediately while guide over I'm GonNa go Christmas applesauce and like I need ten minutes here folks Gimme ten. I think we can take some time <hes> I. I'm going to have the wolves drag the bodies away too dark corners and then and stand in it <hes> stand on either side of the door guarding it and I say attack anyone the troops in here they silence that he said about doing that. I'm going to ten minutes and I'm going to <hes> so he sits down grasps his holy symbol and just start chanting himself off and what you see is that a lights emanate from inside the tanker and it starts to fill up with AOL and at the end of the ten minutes says this and it's Dupree appealing basically so we're going to be healed but so you during the Dale it'll help you okay. I will say I think we might have time to actually do a short rest here so like you may not need to burn a spell. He's in his original slot. Oh okay excellent awesome. I drink it to see each get to date healing from Soda Zelda insult you yeah I love needs it. So That's twelve points of healing. Let me take a look here to be sure Oh sorry so it's twelve six that's eighteen points feeling so eighteen points of healing to everybody and and while you all sort of shake off those two back to back battles it's also it's a lovely tastes like lavender and love. Do we still have that bonus from aid that let's have five hours so yeah you would have had that yeah you'd still we'll have that sixty five so you all take in that bit of healing and sort of stuck like collectively unclench your butt cheeks and breathe out and let yourselves rest as as you now <hes> no a little bit more about what the operation is and what you may have just stopped here and that's hundred thank you for listening listening. You can follow us on over things at high W._B._Z.. T cast you can email us at improvised weapons V T G mail DOT COM and you can check out the other great podcasts for human life teen whom a knife dot call has always subscribe and review. I know we sell what broken record about it but it really does help other people find the show and we'd like to be easiest scavenger hunt ever if you're interested in supporting the show by throwing subscription way you can head to patriotic dot com slash W._v._U.. Cast and like me sit up top. 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068 | Ravenous

Aaron Mahnke's Cabinet of Curiosities

12:25 min | 2 years ago

068 | Ravenous

"Our world is full of the unexplainable. And if history is in open book, all of these amazing tales right there on display just waiting for us to explore. Welcome to the cabinet of curiosities. Some people have a calling a famous musician might be drawn to the guitar at a young age sparking along and prolific career a bestselling authors. Penchant for telling stories might one day land her books on a million bookshelves all over the world for fishermen Frank Samuelsen and George harbor. Oh, they're calling was the open sea. Well, the open sea and ten thousand dollars is he both men were born in Norway in the latter. Half of the nineteenth century and joined the merchant marines in their youth. They sailed all over the world together as they serve their country, but took particular liking to the east coast of the United States, specifically Jersey City, New jersey after they'd completed their tours both men made their homes in New Jersey where they built quiet lives for themselves. Trawling for clams up and down the coast, surprisingly digging for clams did not prove to be as glamorous as it sounded and soon Franken jor. Found themselves wanting more they missed the wind in their faces and the salt in their hair the opportunity for action around every corner. It was just before the turn of the century George stumbled upon something that would catapult them back into what they loved he'd been reading popular men's lifestyle magazine called the national police gazette when he came across an open letter from the magazine's publisher a man named Richard FOX, then it FOX offered anyone. Brave enough to row across the Atlantic Ocean. A prize of ten thousand dollars that's over a quarter of a million dollars in today's currency. This was it just the thing to get them out of their rut and find their true purpose. Again, the men quickly set to work building their majestic skiff, which they dubbed the FOX after their intended beneficiary they drain their savings accounts. Constructing the eighteen foot rowboat out of oak and south jersey. Pine fitting it with two benches several watertight compartments for supplies and rail along the bottom in case it tipped over. They didn't take a lot with them other than the food. They brought with them. The men carried only what they needed to navigate and steer including a compass. Sextant ORs and special suits made of oilskins if you've ever seen the image of a fisherman on a box of frozen fish sticks. You'll know what oil skins are George and Frank left New York bright and early on the morning of June sixth eighteen ninety six from there. They rode for fifty five days over thirty two hundred nautical miles to Great Britain covering on average about fifty miles per day, and boy were their arms tired national police gazette publisher, Richard FOX method duo in Paris at the dinner held in their honor. Where he presented each of them with a gold medal to Mark their journey. Conspicuously? Absent though, were the ten thousand dollars. He'd promised them for some reason that didn't bother George and Frank they used their fifteen minutes of fame to go on a lecture tour around the world talk. About how they had built their boats in accomplish their feet. It was the TED talks of their time. However, it was on their return trip home when trouble arose like a rogue wave. Now, one might have thought that a journey of almost thirty two hundred miles in a rickety old row boat would have helped them to overcome any problem thrown their way and sure they had their fair share. But nothing that couldn't be overcome with a little elbow grease and some ingenuity they battled forty foot waves. Heavy rains of waited collision with an iceberg and countless other perils on their voyage. So it's no surprise that. When it came time for the men to return to the United States, they decided to let someone else do the sailing George and Frank as well as their famous, robots boarded a steamship home. The idea was to give their exhausted arms arrest after such a long and arduous journey. Unfortunately, fates had other ideas, just as the steamer reached Cape Cod. It ran out of coal, George and Frank were stuck with no idea as to win they'd be able to get moving again. But they. Weren't too bothered by it because they had a plan. They did what no one else on the ship was prepared for they located their trustee. Robots lowered it into the water and then settled in for the most enjoyable activity possible, they rode themselves home. This episode of cabinet of curiosities was made possible by ZipRecruiter the hiring used to be hard multiple job sites. Stacks of resumes, and confusing review process. But today hiring can be easy. And you only have to go to one place to get it all done. Ziprecruiter dot com slash curiosities. Ziprecruiter is powerful they send your job posting to over one hundred of the web's leading job boards, but they don't stop there with their powerful matching technology. Ziprecruiter scans thousands of resumes to find people with the right experience and invite them to apply to your job as the applications come in ZipRecruiter analyzes each one and spotlights the top candidates. So you never miss a great match. And right now, my listeners can try ZipRecruiter for free at my exclusive web address, ZipRecruiter dot com slash curiosities. If you love this podcast show, your support for it's end ZipRecruiter by going to ZipRecruiter dot com slash. Curiosities? That's ZipRecruiter dot com slash curiosities. Ziprecruiter, the smartest way to hire. Some talents have a universal appeal. A good musical performance of beautiful painting, a functional and inspiring architectural design. These are things that almost everyone. Can appreciate other talents though, are a bit less. Mainstream base it at the edges and while the few people might find them interesting. The vast majority of the world is either disinterested. Unprepared or both in the case of one man. It might be easier to say that his skill was simply not their Cup of tea or slice of cake. But will you'll get the idea in a moment? The world had never seen someone quite like terrar-, and they certainly weren't ready for him. He was born in France in the seventeen hundreds and from the very beginning. Everyone could tell he was different. It wasn't an his looks or the way he spoke. It was how his stomach was kind of a bottomless pit. By the time. He was a teenager. He could easily eat his weights in beef each day and somehow never gained pound his mouth could stretch wider than average and people who knew him at the time described his figure as of all things skinny however his appetite was so grand his family couldn't afford to feed him that meant that. They couldn't afford to keep him either. And just like that terrar- was on his own. He didn't starve though to be honest. It wasn't a challenge for someone with a talent for stuffiness face to find work as a sideshow act you fell in with a group of street performers who kept him fed and quickly exploited. His outrageous metabolism. Audiences. Didn't just want to see him eat hundreds of pounds of steak and chicken, though, a man with the iron stomach began very in his diet with less edible additions, including rocks. Corks and live animals, if he could fit it in his mouth, he ate it and got paid pretty well to do it too. Unfortunately, he also paid for it. You see terrar- was a notoriously foul smelling individual who ran into serious intestinal troubles because of his sideshow work after a particularly long hospital. Stay he realized he needed to do better for himself and his stomach so he joined the French military, but although his newfound sense of purpose should have been enough to sustain him. He became just a sick not eating as he did when he was it was while he was wandering around the bases medical ward win military, scientists decided to perform some tests on terrar- incredible appetites, they realized that when his enormous stomach was empty it became. Came perfect way of transporting messages to imprison soldiers across enemy lines. If only they trained him a little better before sending him out into the field. You see it didn't take long for terrar- to be spotted and captured soon after he was being questioned about his reasons for being there terrar- naive and afraid told them all about the box in his stomach that contained notes. So they chained him to toilets and waited patiently for his. Deposit. If only it had been worth, the wait. The message said nothing nothing that meant anything of a great deal to the enemy nor the imprisoned soldier the entire ordeal had been nothing more than a test to see whether his gut would be a viable way of smuggling information in the long term. Terrar- was eventually released a France where he resumed his civilian life searching for food wherever he could find it. And he was sick of it. He'd been studied and exploited and all it had gotten him was the torture of an upset stomach soon after he checked himself into a local hospital in hopes of a cure. It couldn't live with this affliction any longer. Unfortunately medicine at the time just wasn't very advanced and treatments consisted of filling his insides with elicit drugs to see how they performed but nothing helped. Terrar- spent his nights wandering the halls looking for something to eat. He branched out from his usual fare of everyday objects and started eating off menu. He drank patients blood and limbs in the morgue, sometimes he escaped and feasted on the entrails discarded behind butcher shops or stray dogs and cats in the neighborhood one day of fourteen month old child went missing. And although terrar- was never accused of anything outright. It was enough to have him evicted from the hospital years later terrar- would find himself back there. One last time as a corpse doctors tried performing an autopsy on him, but they didn't get too far the odor coming off of his body. Simply made a full examination, all but impossible. Now, any number of things could have killed the man who literally eight everything in his path after all his gigantic stomach was riddled with countless infections caused by his strange dining habits. But no terrar- wasn't undone by rocks or corks or even human limbs. It wasn't cats or dogs or all those rotten butcher cast-offs. No. The man who seemed to be able to eat anything without consequence died of something entirely unrelated taking his reputation for an iron stomach with him to the grave completely intact. So what did kill the man who seemingly could consume anything? He wanted. To Burke, yellow sus, a sickness known through popular culture by a very different name. Consumption. I hope you've enjoyed today's guided tour of the cabinet of curiosities subscribe for free on apple podcasts or learn more about the show by visiting curiosities podcast dot com. The show was created by me Aaron mckie in partnership with how stuff works I make another award winning show called Lor which is a podcast book series and television show, and you can learn all about it over at the world of Lor dot com. And until next time stay curious.

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Charged | Ep 4: The Escape Hatch

Slate Presents: Standoff | What Happened at Ruby Ridge?

29:44 min | 1 year ago

Charged | Ep 4: The Escape Hatch

"Luke. Hey, I'm Amy this. The host of men up a new sleep podcast and investigates where we get our ideas about manhood, each week guest will tell the funny embarrassing or sometimes disturbing personal stories that will help you figure out what we have to learn and unlearn about being men also want to hear from listeners like you as we sort through all of our own personal messages to get subscribe to man up in podcasts or wherever you're listening right now. This podcast is a co production of sleet, and the appeal a new publication about criminal Justice. And it's a companion to my new book also called charged and available wherever you buy books. Okay. Thanks for listening. Here's the show. Previously on charged when they got to the lobby terrarium sitting in with his friend, and they're just looking at the window. They're not doing anything. And then they just took them down. That's Daniel Dench tries new lawyer talking about the police arresting terrar- my position at that point was that the stop and the seizure by the police officers was on constitutional that we had a pretty good chance of winning the hearing in this case Lynch made this argument to the prosecutors, and that opened a new door the prosecutor then decided to say, oh, why don't we see if we can screen them for wise EP why p a youth diversion program. That'd be come a kind of escape hatch for defendants like terrar-, I'm Emily basil on and this is charged a true punishment story inside New York's concord. No matter who your lawyer is it's hard to get into Weiss EP. Just a small group of young defendants are even considered the new DA Eric solace quietly supported diversion programs like this one, but he was also afraid of the risk. If one kid went bad the headlines could kill Eric's whole project of reform inside Wiessee p every social worker new the same fear, including maxim crime, gold who'd been handling these cases for the DA's office for a dozen years. Maximum the one who met with Tarare, and he'd be the one to decide whether or not to recommend him for the program coming through government agency that you know, is the the money through and make sure that they've for safety of the community, but another fan, the there to give you a view fella Chinse goes you use this chance wisely at first glance. Maksim had very little in common with Tarare. He grew up next door to Poland in Belarus before it was a country, and he came to America with maybe the least likely qualification to be a team councilor grew up in the former Soviet Union, we will build income and use them, basically. And it wasn't that your concept of teenage years we graduates from school either go to university or join eighteen go to army either way, he was the post mature guy in the middle. Like Terai maxim grew up needing to protect himself and his city Gomel. There was a long history of violence against Jews. Progressives a maximum stuck out like well like a small Jewish kid growing up of Jewish kid. In formats with union, then when it's collapsed would experience some kind of bullying in school and on the street, just because you're Jewish maxim. The bullying was the backdrop far as life tons on the street heated moments in the hallways at school, confrontations that stayed with him even now decades later. You don't know about the and somebody disputes in your face. And then you have to walk like that. I mean, like, I mean, you can take a shower style. Skull. So. Just very very degrading a maximum fourteen. He was injured by gym teacher. And then beaten by a group of students it all resulted in spinal fracture that still causes mpn. So maximum did Shera formative experience with a lot of his future, clients and gun court. He understood what it was like to feel victimized. And why young person might do almost anything to stop being someone else's pray? And at a time when a lot of Jews were fleeing the former Soviet Union maximum made his move to America to New York New English, though, annoy BC just. You don't know what's going on. Just don't know anything in the appreciate every single person who who can tell you. What's going on guide? You advice you or even go will you somewhere, you really become dependent axon found some English classes, and eventually he worked his way through college selling candy, and then got a masters in social work. He wanted to switch roles and become the person who could guide other people when try and his mom, I showed up at the Y C P office. They weren't quite sure. What to make of Mr. maxim? His voice did not match him. I saw I was like. Wow, alot Belinda realized that the person who held her son's feet and his hands the one who would recommend whether to send him to prison or give him a second chance was an emigrant in his forties, wearing a yarmulke. And yet when we sat down with him. He he's not judgmental very genuine with his words when he was talking to me until Ari, and he made me feel very comfortable if I just click with him like he was one of the homeys. He was funny too. He had me laughing. First and foremost maxim had to decide if he could work with dry. He had a nuanced method for figuring that out little things like you work with clients in the building growth, and you wanna see sometimes they will turn them say hi to somebody. So they will hold the elevator door. They will open the door and ask you to go. I wanna see everything positive the young person has to offer. And that's how you that's how you build the trust. They can see they learn from it. And it's all part of the bigger picture. What you look for. Right. You might look depends that are heading down. You might see person who. Yes. Wearing fans down. But they said hi to the receptionist all of the of the they waved by you know, that something you can build on. Dry pasta initial test and maximum recommended admitting him twice EP but terrar- is still had hurdles in front of him in court to get into why c p he had to plead guilty and his lawyer Daniel Lynch had a goal she ate the price in the event the terrarium failed the program. This is what plea bargaining is like when you're up against the wall. Here's Lynch the warm mandates automatic prison sentence. What is essentially sending a young person, you know, who's made one the state to prison for several years and ultimately changing their life for the worse, especially if you find out as lynched it that you're gambling with your client's life in front of one particular judge the honorable Vincent del Judas, George still Judas does a lot of high level cases. In fact, I appeared before homicide case like two years ago, and you know, he's not necessarily known as a defendant. Judge. Let's say judge. Doc Judas looks a little like Colonel Sanders, you know, the Kathy guy, and I don't know what the says about him. Exactly. But recently, the New York Post caught him sneaking little puffs of veep on the bench in the middle of a highly publicized murder trial. When I asked L Judas about terrar- is case he said, he couldn't comment. But here's what we do know judge Judas impose the maximum possible sends for terrar- if he failed. Why C P fifteen years in prison? Screws up these getting worse than he went otherwise tie could not get that number out of his head fifteen years. That's a long time. Like, I feel like I ain't gonna be able to see my family fifteen years. That's like my whole life, and neither could Valente even when it just said it, I looked at my son his face was like. What are you talking about? Oh can't. So that's a plea bargain where accustomed to seeing trials with a jury and a judge and well honed arguments in open court, but that's TV in reality. It's plea bargains all day long and trials that are the very rare exception think for another minute about terrar- as case Lynch was arguing that the police had no reason to stop and search Rory if that was right and Tarai shouldn't have to plead guilty if you're arrested illegally get to walk. But here's the thing. If Terai said, I'm taking my case to trial. He'd be taking a very big risk. Because if the jury didn't see things his way, then the prosecutor and the judge would make him pay by sending him to prison for a very long time. Daniel Lynch new this everyone in the courtroom did go back in history, though. And you'll see that it was never meant to be this way trial by jury was one of the fundamental values. The founders wrote into the constitution. It's number six in the Bill of rights. But the trial started vanishing long time ago. The thing about plea bargains is that they save judges and lawyers a lot of work, and they're the ones who are Pete players in the system with an incentive to keep it moving smoothly and quickly as possible. The nail in the coffin for taking your case to trial came in nineteen seventy eight in Kentucky with a guy named Paul. He's Hayes groomed. Horses for a living. He had a mother with diabetes and four younger brothers and sisters to support one day. He's used a bad check to pay for eighty dollars and thirty cents worth of groceries. The prosecutor wanted Paul Hayes to go to prison for five years, but Hayes refused plead guilty. He wanted a trial. Hayes at a problem, though, he had a criminal record. So the prosecutor said, okay, if you make me take this case to trial. I'm gonna charge that bad check as your third strike, three strikes. You're out you get a life sentence. He's roll the dice and went to trial. Anyway, Andy lost. He got that life sentence. And eventually he appealed to the supreme court for mercy. Here's his lawyer making the most compelling argument, he could think of the life sentence was nothing less than a giant unconstitutional threat. When from the record we see that win the arrangement offered by the prosecutor was rejected. He VIN threatened that if you don't accept my plea bargain, plead guilty, I am going to increase the stakes against you. And if we can convince you that there will be a mandatory life sentence. Now, I submit you the only purpose for the threat is to deter the exercise of the constitutional rights in the situation that the supreme court didn't buy this argue. They said there was no limit on. What a prosecutor could threaten to avoid a trial at least not in the constitution. And so the supreme court ruled against Paul Hayes in the end he did get mercy from his local parole board, which goes to show how extreme his life sentence seemed outside of court. In any case, the upshot here is that plea bargaining with no restraints is perfectly legal. And so it's become the world we live in courtroom drama as a relic of a bygone era nowadays in most real-life trial courts ninety five percent of convictions or more are plea bargains. The hard choice is always the same. Take our deal or gamble away. Your future. That's why terrar- it didn't go to trial. He had a really good case to make in court that the police stopped him illegally. But it was just too risky. It was safer to walk the knife's edge with Weiss EP. Even though if you fell he'd be looking at that hole fifteen years. If you've been enjoying this podcast. I wanna let you know that it wouldn't have been possible without sleeps membership program sleep, plus the support from members has helped fund exciting projects at slate. Like slow-burn and standoff and the daily journalism you see on slate dot com every day if you want to help slate continue this kind of work, please sign up for sleep. Plus now at slate dot com slash charged. It's only thirty five dollars for the first year and you'll get benefits like ad free podcast feeds and discounted tickets to sleeps live events, and you'll get even more episodes of charged sign up. It's dot com slash charged. Maximus job was to help to deal with the gamble. He was taking broke everything down to me in like. Being in a projects, especially in a program like debt being in the project is a lot of challenges. First thing your neighborhood. We are most of oh young people to try to minimize the negative conduct's minimize the negative contacts that meant a bunch of things, but Maxon the most pressing risk for terrarium wasn't what I thought it would be it wasn't the bloods or the people Terai grew up with it was actually the police because of Therese lawsuit against them one afternoon. I was talking to the two of them and the subject came up. They practically finished each other's sentences. Guam of more goals was to make sure that we do not jeopardize him. But accepting into the program, and why would that be because of the fifteen years and move very contact with police all so basically like we try to say is the police. Like me at all on the target or ready? So being in the program, and you can't have no police contact could our actually jeopardize everything. Once you get locked up, and you go see judge is like, okay, you don't like no more program for you. Linda also knew that avoiding police contact wasn't entirely and terrar- as hands. She saw it every day we are in a neighborhood with the debt precinct. Don't get enough action. So it's like, we're the only hood for that precent, and they need more action coming from it. And because it's not they're going to go there to try to. Star Sutton out make something happen arrest people because they don't get arrests. So they can leave your little children outside to go and play white appearances upstairs cooking. They can go to the store and cross the street. Nobody's getting shot at and it's nothing like that. By the numbers. Valente was right there neighborhood was not a nest of crime in twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen so far there has been one murder and two shootings. Well below the average in New York City. Linda's version of her neighborhood can easily exist side by side with the parallel reality one that includes threats and low grade violence and access to guns climates dropped a massive amount in the last generation in New York, but they're still mean streets in Brooklyn still dangerous behavior. Allegiances and Troy knows that so all upon the bundle boys. Thus brothers United never divide. It live eternally. We call ourselves there because like moons growing up like we always stood together when Emma frenzy diabetes. So he was in a hospital. He was almost about a da says all about friends like always went to go. Check on Dow Dow's Broncos all the gutters of the bundle boys were aid friends, interrupt housing development. They hung out drank in the park. Try especially love their dice games. One day. We was. In front of the stool was on a block that started off as a small game a role the to anything could beat it to. But he wrote a one two three automatic law. So now Bank is ten now rolling. Now you fill me. Now, I'm getting to head cracks head cracks me you rolling sixes. Now, you feel me Bank is sixty and now young kid came. He told me the shoot the whole sixty. What did I do a role to four he fell to the four? Now Bank is one twenty man from their own. I just went all the way up from five dollars to a whole band band a thousand dollars in the got it to a band four five six baby. We got the whole block crowded now you feel me. So like it was this one lady she's just starting as she was. Oh my gosh. She's like, yeah. Keep going baby. The best game out like the bundle boys. Morton established gang. The bloods they were tiny and hyper local, but they had rivalries with other small groups nearby gang. We do have before we got beef with two games. No. We actually I be four games. Actually, if you have hard to keep track of even for terrar-. They're all these shifting alliances and beefs like a small role game of thrones someone will get hurt. And a group would have back. They usually meant physical fighting beat downs mostly with this. But people did have guns and the danger. They bring can't be contained that being said they're still question of whether the strategy of Goncourt set up to send everyone to prison for just possessing a gun is that an approach that actually reduces violence. It sounds like it should work. The cops were convinced of it. And listen, many people often assume that harsh punishment equals deterrence and eventually better behavior from spanking kids on up, but researchers have looked repeatedly for proof that requiring prison for guns results in less violence. I could tell you all about studies in Virginia, Florida, Massachusetts, Michigan. I'll cut to the chief. Yes, they all came up empty and shootings in New York. Started to plummet long before Goncourt the mayor's office gave me charts showing shootings going down at the same time as gun prosecutions rose. But in fact, eighty percent of the city's drop in murders took place far earlier in the years before New York started imposing these steep mandatory prison sentences for guns, but forget all that from minute. Let's assume that sending everyone with a gun to prison does reduce shootings. So then you have to ask as compared to what is this the best strategy, and what's the cost the human fallout? Here's Belinda on. How that assumption affects the cops in her neighborhood. They just think everybody's walking out St. would a pistol. So we're going to arrest him for no reason to take him in question him. Every time that you arrest a young black person. A message out. Their future because when they go for jobs, all it is pop up. And it messes them up what getting the create a future that they want and it's not. That's not right. Dear maximum Talat. The idea people have about how diversion programs should work is it you just get some unlike terrar- to avoid guns and everything will fall into place like the gun version of just say, no, you can general this concept of thinking that. Okay. Now that you took a guilty plea now that you have an open case and stuff over the southern you have to wake up and cut all the ties completely change overnight. You know, just be a student in school, not as simple as not as easy. It takes time. Try understood maximum at him to start staying away from those negative contacts. But try maxim both knew that sometimes the negative context. Come and find you being in a program like you don't wanna be seen in the streets too much because you're I want you to do. Activities with them and stuff like God. Forbid kids come over to my neighborhood, and they get into a fight. And in Omni, I got a choice to make like. Our minutes program for my friends want me to go over to nother project and get into some trouble. So now is like you you in a bad light. You got the angel. You're show the devil. You show. The telling you, Mr. maximum, your friends understanding all the risks pressures. Try was facing maximum proposed a radical solution. He told try to get out of dodge, leave home stay with his grandparents to get away from the cops the friends the street all of it. And he told me day almost cry. I've been in this neighborhood for my whole life and stuff and. And. Never one leave my mom's behind my sister. My brother. China be harder to make it through and stay out of prison. If you didn't take maximum advice, but it decided to have a little faith in himself. Leaving Tom to step up and play my part. But this was no small task. Remember the rule was no police contact. And the problem was there are all sorts of things that could turn into infractions and jeopardize them playing dice on the blood stuff. Like that that that stuff getting locked up wants to police even come Rb the ball get locked up overplaying. Dyson miss the maximum on the head house place. Why did you get locked out Rory? I was playing dice. So us plan dice sudden looking for a job. But there was one constant reminder that this was no joke. Try had a curfew. He had to call maxim from inside his house by ten o'clock every night that gave Linda all the ammunition. She needed to stay on him. If you don't have your behind in this house, the time you supposed to you're gonna go to jail if you will hanging around any of these people out here that you ain't got an open this hanging around. You're going to go to jail, and I'm not coming to. Visit you. I don't right. I don't do packages. I don't do collect phone call. So just every day in his air every single day. I know he was getting tired of me, I could see it in his face expressions. But I didn't care. So try had to get used to staying in at night. But a real concern about being in a program. Like, why see P is the people around? You don't know what it is? Or how it works? What they know is that you were facing serious criminal charges and the wonder how exactly you got out of going to prison. They could thank you're staying off the street because you cut a deal, and you're informing the problem for Terai was figuring out how to ghost his friends sometimes without making them suspicious or losing them entirely working with maxim try look for a job, and hey that turned into a pretty good excuse to be honest unin have to say, hey, what, you know. More does his of like, friends I arm looking for. Jobs fell of the ways to not beat it all the time. And now was Dell was more helpful to instead of me. Just say y'all can't hang around with no more that is dangerous to film alight. Why can't be oh, you not part of this normal? Also was going on with you. And it turned out. Try was good at getting a job one day. I was at McDonald's Rama way. A lady she was coming inside at McDonald's. She had bags soldiers opened the door for her and shoes, I think you she was complimented me than shoes. I own yet. Come down to my boss. She working Hatton. She gave me her number Coulter. The next day. And now is at trial went down to the bar. The lady turned out to be the boss, and she gave him a job bussing tables try and acts of still talk about it. A thank you demonstrated that you cared. And you just offered help fringe, right? Yes. And you show yourself as a kind person, right? A monk who cares? And realize that and you never know you meet this people at you never know who their that person, the worker might be somebody really valuable. And you've got the job, right? Yes. Yes. Try worked at the bar through new years of twenty seventeen his halfway point in Weiss EP after that he worked at an I hop in Brooklyn and started studying so all yells prepare myself because I was actually a shawny gates a college too. Try started making more of his music to maxim got him enrolled in classes in an arts organization in Brooklyn called brick. Joan I used to listen to music a lot. Trial also learning to make a podcast, very meta. I know he produced a three minute piece about his love of music and his family one after noon. Try played that piece for Kadena Gibbs few advocate who tries to talk young people into putting down their guns. You met him in earlier episodes. Anyway, we're all in the studio, and I was joking around about recording his music and the younger kids in his neighborhood to him. It seemed like they were always beefing suddenly could deem got real he cautioned her are the to make it a Newsweek or any profession you have to make a permanent choice. Pick one because the build a music read have that type of even if it's like independent and underground and small scale like you got to really build a real business. You gotta actually have real infrastructure. I mean in to really focus on that. You can't do that in and and like be abortion streets to you get what I'm saying. You can't do both, bro. It's not. It's not gonna work. It was a dream. A diversion program. Like, why c p could give you a push it can make you take care of business like getting a GED or a job. But what happened next as you outgrew, the most sensitive and wild time of your teenage years and your early twenties in the end that was up to you. Next week on charged. We're going to take an unexpected detour because last summer while we reporting the show things went haywire. For the person. I least expected for Kadena Gibbs. I was in the airport and on the plane, and in the back of my mind the whole time like I just was like wake up on Monday. I'm going to jail. Sort of charge was produced by Alvin malice and written by me jacket is our senior editor mixed by Catherine Raymonde. Oh, mastering and original music by America. If you wanna learn more about the issues raised in this show. I have a new book out. It's also called charged. Check it out wherever you buy books. Additional script editing for this episode by Valen Williams, additional mixing by Chow to research and fact checking by will read editorial direction by Josh Levin and Gabriel Roth June Thomas is the senior managing producer of slate podcasts TJ Rafael is the senior producer of the slave podcast network special. Thanks to rob Smith, Sarah, Leonard, Allah, swam, Lisa Larsson Walker dub you are in Boston. Jason Solomon and Stanford video. Each week sleigh. Plus members got an additional episode of charged this week. We're talking about diversion with Atta Manzke of the center for court innovation to learn more and sign up for sleep. Plus at Disley dot com slash charged.

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Ep 316 - Abraar o Desafio, Empresa em franca Expanso, Fingir que se trabalha

Túnel de vento

13:06 min | Last month

Ep 316 - Abraar o Desafio, Empresa em franca Expanso, Fingir que se trabalha

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104  Q3 2019

The Tesla Show

1:38:58 hr | 1 year ago

104 Q3 2019

"Hey Mike how're you doing. I'm doing well how about yourself. I'm doing well. We're we're so rusty. This is our second attempt at starting the show. Nah the first attempt there was. There was a lot of amateurish. Crushed Cross talk crush talk Yeah so this one. This one's going much better yet. But we are. You're excited because it's a Q.. Three Twenty nineteen episode talking about quarterly earnings. But before we get into that Mike. What are you drinking So I am being Kinda anneliese tonight. I'm feeling a little bit of a flu coming on and everyone knows the best thing for a flu is whiskey. So I'm just having some Yoichi Japanese single Gamal From I think nick It's very nice it's a little bit. PD But you know not like La Freud Level Pity just got a little hint to Pete and it's very mellow and it's soothing my throat right now and I I think is going to make me feel better on the rocks straight up Just need in a glass. Just I just opened up a bottle and poured into a glass so heavy glass. It is a hard strong Glass with a Gold Rim who. It's a single rocks glass. One of my one of my many glassware purchases from mommy marked a It's a bit of a problem anyways. How are you doing? What are you drinking tonight? I'm drinking a Martini. Thought we could have something a little classy. I see for this financial episode that is classy like international man of mystery classy yet. So it's Some Saint George Terrar- gin so it's a quite late Deep and strong juniper and then it also has just the regular Saint Martin. Oh no just the what's it called. What is it green bottle? The Martini for tooth. Yeah Martini Rossi Martini Rossi just the white did you Brian. It up for you you dirty. Yeah Oh yeah okay Teaches on I just I just feel like that's the way to go. I'm I like it. It isn't except I mean it's not like you're making it with vodka or something like some sort of animal yet. It's an accepted thing so you know to go. What are you garnished with? Just a an olive stuff with Komo right right. Of course. Yeah I did. I don't usually not lists with the dirty Martini so cool all right. Well we we are. We Are Just a well oiled machine here at eighty jump in. Let's jump in so Tesla's still still company they didn't go bankrupt and Q.. Three no far from it They had a really good quarter coming into the quarter. The expectations were I would say a bit muted The last quarter wasn't I'm very great. Pretty big losses and so you know any. SEC violations was acquired quarter. It was a very quiet quarter. I would say you wanted a very good job of not getting any hot water on twitter 'em so it kind of just a little bit and slow and I think people were not expecting much but ultimately they had some records in multiple categories so off the top record production of ninety six thousand vehicles so the most vehicles they've ever produced out of their factories. They wait sorry factories or factory. We'll get to that but they did start doing doing some tests production in Shanghai gigafactory so they made some cars in China A quarter but they did not count that production because they are not sellable yet. Okay so certain. Thirty six thousand came out of Fremont Yep then they delivered ninety seven thousand vehicles so pulled a few vehicles ahead from from previous inventories which is great. So that's another record record deliveries and they had six point three billion in revenue but the revenue number as expected was a bit lower than previous quarter. The previous quarter five hundred million dollars less so off the bat. What that tells who is? They had record production but not record revenue. And I don't think it takes a math genius to realize that means that they didn't generate as much money per vehicle as they have in some previous quarters so we'll get to that But they had a positive prophet now. They had a profit margin dinovite eighteen point nine percent which was higher. Than last quarter's fourteen point five so more efficient. We'll talk more about that. They had one point one. Nine billion dollars in gross profit Prophet compared to nine hundred twenty one million last quarter. So that's just the revenue minus the costs of the vehicles and the production costs. Go into to them as well as their solar components Capex three hundred eighty five million dollars on capital expenditures. So think work for a Fremont factory for Shanghai gigafactory as well as superchargers an that was over one hundred million dollars more than the previous quarter so more investment moment this quarter than last quarter and nine hundred and thirty million in optics so everything it takes to run the business so A lot of the staff are indie. The sales people The stores service centers things like that. What's interesting is this was down? Almost two hundred million dollars from one point one billion last quarter which is really intriguing because op ex typically grows over time as you hire more people so that they have layoffs. This was partly the result of last quarter they had layoffs and or slightly before last quarter and last quarter I think they had over one hundred and seventy million dollars in restructuring during costs in terms of like early severance packages for folks so this quarter the reductions actually started showing up in the Affects line so yeah primarily due to the the lay offs earlier and probably some reduced hiring so that ended up resulting in three hundred seventy one million and operating cash flow and a total of one hundred and forty three million of Gap Prophet. So no Shenanigans Gins Prophet real generally accepted accounting principles profit of one hundred forty three million which compares to a loss of four hundred eight million last quarter so over over a five hundred million dollar swing to the upside Unless revenue so really really positive. We'll we'll talk talk a little bit more about how that will happen and whether or not it's sustainable and ultimately also to your earlier question not anywhere close to bankrupt They have five point. Three billion billion in cash up three hundred eighty three million dollars quarter over quarter. So so where does the extra cash come from. If they made two hundred forty three in got profit but cash on hand went up three eighty three. Yes Oh it's almost all from the three hundred seventy million dollars in operating cash flow that came up so Basically they generated more cash than they actually had a in prophet primarily due to depreciation and amortization expense events. Would you have to pay for in gap. Even though it's a non cash expense as well as their stock based compensation so the depreciation which is basically the factory equipment decreasing in value over time. Because at some point it will become inoperable bullying you'll need to replace it. And so when you buy you depreciate it over time to try and account for that on the on the books and all the laptops everyone has those also get depreciated shaded. So that's a non cash expense. You don't actually pay for it out of your pocket every month. You already paid for it up front. But you account for it in your income statement every quarter and then also stock-based compensation it doesn't cost cash to give people stock options but it does have a real economic my cost to shareholders and so that also reduced their gap profit. But yeah that's how they were able to increase their cash even though they only only had one hundred and forty three million a gap profit. Yes and so I started the call saying Q.. Three was obviously a very strong quarter and we had record deliveries. These were able to make great strides and controlling our costs and we shifted back to gap profitability while also generating free cash flow and again this would not be possible without each Chinoy. Doing their part to reduce cost or operating cost is now at the lowest level since model three production started so to me. This was sort of the most surprising freising part was not expecting them to be profitable. This quarter and I think one of the overarching themes for this Earnings Call as well as the the slides that they shared with investors was around cost controls margin expansion and sort of general operating efficiency which is not what's something we've typically associated with Tesla's model They have really been in. I think we've been quite pounding counting the drum that there really have been for the past year to an investment mode. Every ever since they unveiled the model three they had begun putting plans in place to you. Invest quite heavily to make the model three in in quite a lot quite a large Capacity and certainly going from seventy five hundred to one hundred thousand model s next next to what they had claimed wanting to get the half a million model threes year. We knew that was going to be a big investment and so when they had losses and negative cash flow. We weren't necessarily very concerned but now they're at a place where they've been relatively steady with their production of model three and and They've sort of teetered back and forth between profitability But now they are back to profits on strong deliveries liveries but not necessarily the most revenue. And so I think the fact that they were able to reduce their operating expenses as well as improved margin is a really strong sign that they they have really been paying attention to the the prophets. Well done one of the other things. That's pretty interesting here too. Who is that Do they expect to have positive. Quarterly cash flows free. Cash flows going forward as well as gap net income. So essentially we heard this statement From Ulan in the past that they were going to be self funding and continuing to have free cash flow and gap going forward forward. They've now tempered a bit more as well saying you know. Except when they're ramping and launching new products to give themselves a bit of cover for that Those incidences into but certainly as they have more more production capacity. The ramping of any one vehicle won't be as big of a hit on their overall operations as the model three was but I think it's good to hear them reaffirm that they plan to be cash flow positive and gap profitable in most quarters going forward and also they intend to be self-funding so they don't expect to need to go back to the capital markets And so you know we'll see Q.. Four should be quite strong Q.. Four has typically been quite strong qui ones are typically their worst quarter. So so that'll be the one to really really pay attention to But that's that's two cores away so we'll deal with that in a little bit and with the lower price model three to. It's probably more likely to end up underneath the Christmas tree than in Q.. Four that's true. Q four has been really really good for for their deliveries and I think this year model three. We will be quite a popular vehicle as a gift and it's funny There are a lot of people who give cars as you know. I've never known anyone one who does that. You see the commercials on TV where someone comes out. And there's a big giant bow on top of a car and it's like I don't know I always thought it'd be a little miffed if if someone bought me a car 'cause some that you want to pick yourself opinions about like how model you on what it looks like the options i. I think it may be that. It's just that's when you plan to do it. And people go out and do their their their group purchase with their family or their Their saving up another her for the holidays treat it as a holiday gift. Also because so many people's bonuses our annual new all They tend to fall toward the end a year so I think it also has to do with people being a little bit more flush at the end of the year even in light of having higher spending for for for the holidays and I think that would make you one a little higher though right because by the time you actually get your bonus and get ready to spend it like you're probably into January pre spend baby priests haven't seen Christmas vacation the pool. That's right that is a classic that is not a cliche shape. That is a cliche for a reason. It's not false cliche getting back to. It's all right one of the other things that Zach the. CFO mentioned end on the call was how their automotive gross margin improved quarter over quarter about two point. Eight percentage points when you take out the regulatory credits which is sort of the the most apples to apples comparison since the regulatory credits that they sell to other automakers aren't always consistent and sort of distort the true profitability of the automotive segment so two point. Eight percentage points two hundred eighty basis. Points is quite a lot of uh improvement in in just three months and so the way they described it was essentially they'd hire production of X.. which are higher margin vehicles which that makes sense They also had more production model three so that enabled better fixed cost. Absorption which is a finance before the cost of running the factory. Get split out over more units of production so was the higher production volume on S S and X. was that expected. Or is that the unexpected bump. It was anticipated last quarter primarily because they made a transition to a new power train called Raven and and so they had been winding down production and inventory of their previous previous powertrain in the last quarter So they had lower production last quarter because they wanted to drain their inventories. And not you know build up as many ahead of this launch. They knew it was going to happen. which happened last quarter and then also so as a result the new Raven update came out and so they that increased demand? Excellence of this quarter. they were able to fulfil a bit of that but apparently they even have more four pending demand for this Raven Update and so they think you four will be even more production for s an accent even this quarter so at least in the short term the the model three is not really destroying the sales of the next there are actually making more than than before. They're making more than they have in. The past couple of quarters is but actually year-over-year model s and x are down. How much is it? Thirty nine percent. Oh so year over year down thirty nine percent. So it's it most likely to me I would. I would say that as a combination of cannibalization so folks who had been buying model S. primarily who were stretching to get it who now would just choose a model three and then also They're still this pent-up feeling that model. SNL or do for more significant updates to you bring them in line with the more modern interior of the model three. And so I think that's still an overhang on people wanting to to go out and buy the Model X.. And Mass because the current options for high end electric vehicles still are not that compelling for especially if you were considering a model so I don't really think it's competition at this point. I think it's more self inflicted And we'll talk about next a little bit more in a in a few few moments but then they also were able to bring down the labor hours per vehicle vehicle as well as cost like warehousing logistics delivery an import related items as well as reducing the material costs and and primarily through like negotiating with their suppliers for better better prices. Did they say when you say. They reduce the labor hours per vehicle. Did they reduce the total hours per vehicle. Or are they is it. Are there fewer steps involved dino or is it that more of it is automated that they are your yeah reducing the total amount of time that humans are working on the vehicles and that is both through more automation of certain steps but primarily. It seems as if it's coming from the reduction and combination of parts into subassemblies or individual parts of sort of continual redesign. So there are many parts now have been combined into single parts that are easier to assemble faster put in and then also as a result like just. Don't take as much time to make because there's only one part instead of three or four and so it just takes less time to manufacture those as well so the model three you buy today. We'll have different parts Fewer parts lighter parts than the model three would bought two years ago and That is just continually being worked on Jerome. WHO's the head of automotive was also saying how there's just like this continual jerem internally really where every single line item of cost whether it's a manufacturing labor warehousing logistics it's all being looked at and just continually refined and refined and refined so? I think that this is finally a place where the scale is large enough with model. Three as well as we'll talk about with model-wide that this effort of very small percentage point improvements actually makes very large material impact where model S. and exit exit. Just hasn't made that much sense and model lesser much more labor intensive and they don't have as much automation because they're just never going to be very high volume vehicles where model model three could be over a million vehicle year program So they still have quite a while to go until they get to that level of production and so everything they can do now to keep pushing those profit margins higher helps the business. So it's been good to see and I think it also indicates indicates that as lawns been saying that the model threes in a pretty good production place. We're not talking about. Oh my God. They're not table to produce enough model threes. Or we're not counting model threes in the parking lot anymore to see if their productions working. And we're not reading memos from Ilan saying we really have to rally to get a couple more thousand vehicles per week or you know certain parts of the line are at peak capacity like. We're not playing those games anymore. It's been another quarter of solid production reduction and if we look back a year ago They were producing half as many vehicles per week as they are now. And so in the same factory right so they have really sort of stabilized model production And I think that's a really good thing and also kind of easy to forget how concerned everyone was about production of model three a even just a year ago. Yeah I actually I saw one. I haven't really been looking for quite a while but I happen to walk by one. That had a temporary plates on it and just looked at the VIN and it was five hundred. Yeah now that I'm thinking I'm not sure if it's five twenty seven that I saw five seventy two but anyways up over half a million yeah which is pretty cool one of the other crazy things Is that the. The demand is still strong. Like I think it's Cra- like someone in my apartment complex likes just got him all three and there's only maybe fifteen units here I was. I was the only mall three person in the parking lot. And now there's a new one and it's brand new. It's dual motor her performance and it's it showed up a couple of weeks ago I was like Is Just so interesting to remember that people are still just now getting them. And the demand is still growing alongside on the call that our global order rate remain ane strong and continues to increase. Despite increases the production levels our order backlog has been growing and the quarter today. Orders referencing Q.. Four are significantly -nificant higher than at this point in the last quarter. And so even though we've made they've made three four hundred thousand model threes threes already continues to grow demand continues to not only be able to sustain this level. It's actually the backlog is increasing and actually need more capacity the probably got out of like the the Tesla fans who are looking to get Tesla's and downed maybe they're just now into like people are just on their upgrade cycle for their car and the lease is up for the one a new car and looking at the the lay of the land and they decided on a Tesla lawn even said on the call that someone had asked like is word of mouth strong enough to continue demand for the capacity that they have and said. Yeah that what we're seeing is that word of mouth is more than enough to drive our demand in excess production. We have no plans to advertise at this time time. And at some point in the future we may do advertising but not in the traditional sense so just again on yearnings call in front of investors saying that Demand is an excess of production. So I don't think we're going to see big pile ups of More threes and the big concern that Oh people sleep heap. You know mom threes and parking lots every once in a while that seems to be more of a logistics challenge then than anything else does also not going to look look forward to a Tesla Super Bowl ad this year. No I'm very very unlikely So again just to recap. The the financials financial's revenues were down one percent quarter-on-quarter but gap income was up one hundred thirty six percent. And so the only way you can do. That is through efficiencies End So automotive. Gross margin was up to twenty two point. Eight percent from around nineteen percent. Gross profit was up twenty percent quarter-on-quarter and operating the expenses were down fifteen percent so more gross profit and less operating expenses leads to that hundred and thirty six percent increase in gap income. It's just that simple. It's just that simple and sorry. MBA also no no big changes the debt and the only reason debt kind of increase. was that there this this year compared to last year this time they have over three times as many vehicles that are being least and so the lease the way that leasing works is that Tesla has has to keep the debt for the vehicles on their on their books until they get paid back by the Leasing companies via the customer. So yeah no real oh concerns about increasing debt or anything As a result of hitting these hitting these results because debt doesn't necessarily hit the The income statement except for interest and because interest rates are so low. It doesn't really have a big impact in a lot of companies are taking on a lot of debt Tesla has not added to their debt in any meaningful way. This quarter to says a point of reference. Yes so the on the on the operation side of things That production rate from all three of around eighty thousand vehicles works out to six point six thousand model threes per week assuming a twelve week quarter order so remember like a year or two ago John was like we're going to get the five thousand model threes a week and then like in a few months. We'll get the ten thousand so there's still more close to five thousand per week than the ten thousand. Are they still using the the big tent in the in the parking lot. Yes yes they are still using Matt Not as part of the production process and so this this is a little bit. I'm not sure I'm not sure it's concerning or if it's a demand the issue we were just talking about demand but essentially it's not clear to me if they underestimated. What Fremont's capacity? Actually are you sorry. Overestimated Fremont's capacity actually was or They in managing their profit margin and the price point are not yet at a place where they can lower the price enough that would push demand high enough to support closer to eight or nine thousand model threes or the alternative theory is that they expected that the would be ramped faster and that they would have gone to ten thousand model threes as per week in the US anywhere. You know way before Shanghai was ready but now that the gigafactory Shanghai is so far ahead of schedule that Dave decided to not push very hard and Fremont on production but just focus on margin improvement and wait for the Shanghai factory to come online because they know they have more capacity and they need to like make cars there So my money would be on the overestimating. Yeah I think they definitely overestimated how much that production online could do because they really talking a lot about how the new Shanghai production line is like a next generation version. And I thought our overestimating that one no yeah half probably we never got the coast to coast drive that we were supposed to get to right like I feel. I've got updates on that okay. It's just yeah. The a quiet quarter is nice because in general that means there was less over promising I guess yes. And that's that's just a chronic problem. It was it was definitely a there. Weren't any major milestones targeted for this quarter except for which they did do About a month or two late but it did come out and so if you look at the trailing twelve months which is a nice way to sort of smooth out the results right because you can can smooth any of the perturbations for any particular month or any particular quarter and if you look at vehicle deliveries overtime Q. Three Q.. Twenty eighteen the previous twelve months. They'd been done around one hundred ninety thousand vehicles and this this year there at around three hundred fifty thousand ish so year on year quite a lot more vehicles for the trailing twelve months and then even go back another year They were just under one. Hundred thousand so last year was really the big step change in model three production happening and this year Only around a fifty percent increase in production still a lot in terms of the absolute number but nowhere near the levels of change. And so I think that's also partly L. E. Y. it's not as crazy as the absolute percentage changes are just not as big and As a result we don't have as much Change in any month or any day so it It leads to more stability in the company. Sounds like a good thing I think so especially for For Tesla and if you look at the net income trailing twelve months it's an interesting Upside down wave. Where in two thousand sixteen? They're trailing twelve months Prophet was around negative one billion and and right now it's about negative one billion for the past twelve months. If you go back to like Midyear two thousand eighteen. They were down at like two. WHO and a half billion losses? So they're kind of getting out of the hole in terms of losses and that really was the peak of model three ramping. Yeah and so. That's would they kinda talk. That's what they mean by when they say when we ramped new vehicles we're going to have some potentially negative quarters and you can see that in their results here. My point and is that won't be as pronounced because model three will be able to absorb a lot of that And also model wise not gonNA have as much trouble fingers crossed well and just from from listening to you from a marketing perspective. I think saying you have a prophet of negative. One billion sounds better than a loss of one billion. Think that's interesting. I wasn't trying to spin. No no I think you said it like two different ways which are the same thing But Yeah I guess profit of negative one one billion sounds better than a loss of billion dollars. Yeah it's a little Orwellian but it sounds I it has a more positive connotation to it. I guess I should really push that for some of a some of the companies. That are up a good news. Bad News kind of thing right. We have bits of negative one billion dollars. Yeah just that negative sign is really small like you could just make it a little tiny little minus sign or put it in parentheses like in this case yes. It sounds like you're whispering your profit just make it read easy profit off. It's a one billion read so probably why we're not accountants. No no I think we would get. We'll get them. I don't think they really like marketing. And people becoming accountants kind of not the career trajectory. You WanNa see no. We've had a little too much problem with creative accounting really exactly in our economy as deflate. Yeah it's not really a left brain kind of situation so on solar in storage an area. That still isn't that that critical to the company from a revenue point of view and contribution margin point of view. But we don't really talk about it too much on these calls of recaps recaps for that reason however want to spend a couple minutes on it here just because of a few few important points one they had all time record storage deployment so this is his battery packs. So power walls power packs and soon mega packs. The three megawatt hour battery packs are going to start in Q.. Four so oh That's GONNA drive megawatt hours up a lot. They did four hundred seventy seven megawatt hours of deployment which was a record and then also the solar business grew fifty percent quarter-on-quarter so those are the just solar panels that they do residential and for commercial customers still way down from when they purchased solar city but the model is still primarily around purchase versus leasing. And the other really the big thing that occurred on the call and then in the subsequent days which now because we get to record a little after we can speak about is they unveiled the new solar roof and this is the three of the solar roof I mean the original solar roof was unveiled over two years ago. Mike do you remember when they go. It's been a while. Oh Yeah we did that call. We did that recording. And they had gone to Universal Studios. Yeah there was just like a house there. Yes yeah they did it in the back lot where they filmed the Desperate housewives and it was like Oh boy this new thing is coming from Tesla. The model three wasn't really even in production yet. And all this stuff it was super super exciting and here we are two plus years later and it still is like on a handful of roofs. Max and I think they really under if they really really underestimated how hard it was gonna be to do. Both the technology and What it sounds like actually now has been the actual installation elation process? And sort of. How do you make a custom roof? A product that can have behind margin versus like you you know shingle roof shingle. And they now seem to have gotten the price down thirty forty percent over the V.. Two and them getting getting the price down or just the the kind of constant falling of the solar cell prices it seems just riding that wave down or are they doing anything no they they. They did a lot to reduce the number of pieces go in they made the panels. The each individual tile like almost double the dimensional space of of the old ones reducing. The amount of site work drastically reduce the amount of time it takes to install so there's a lot less labor hours involved in installing it. So we do a deep dive on the call that they did about this but essentially so the June photos of them yes they have them on their homepage. Now yeah these the ones that are doing initially are the black black-glass ones so they look more like regular. I mean yeah well. I'm wondering because you're the things that you're saying like the whole selling point of these. Solar roofs is that they look just like regular uh roofs. But then as you start to do things like double the size of the shingle. Yes and change the materials. You could easily kind of iterating your way away from looking like a normal roof and starting to look like a solar roof. Yeah they they stayed. I don't think there are many roofs that look like this currently in the current design. They still claim that they're gonNA do like a more Slate type one another one. That looks like a terra. COTTA TERRA COTTA. It was the one that in on wisteria lane. They demo and I think they do still plan to do that but they are going to keep ramping. rampling them up and the other kind of important thing is that They plan to partner with roofing contractors in connect six months or so actually certify them to install the solar roof and they hope to be scaling up to like a thousand roofs per week worth of capacity by by the end of the year. Oh so they've learned their lesson about estimates than in there they've released. Yeah but a thousand roofs like that. Those each roof is about about the price point of a car. So that's that would be. That's actually going to be quite significant. And this is what he was saying on the call that I wanted to reiterate. was that someone someone asks of everything that's happening. In the Tesla business. What do you think is the thing? That's least appreciated by investors. Andy Not Long said I think there is generally a lack of understanding or appreciation for the growth of Tesla Energy as can always talking about who leads the Tesla Energy in the long term. I expect Tesla Energy to be of the same or roughly the same size as Tesla's automotive sector business. This is the most under appreciated group. I I think it could be bigger. But it's certainly of similar magnitude to Tesla Automotive meaning if you take Tessa. Solar Battery Stuff Tesla Energy. I think that's the lease appreciated element so again like we keep hearing we keep having Luek move the football that Tesla energy is going to be see this massive equal part of the business and it hasn't materialized for over three years and California's providing a pretty good Opportunity here with all of our power problems. We should tesla should be working to micro grid this and create more sustainable small-scale energy energy so apparently he said someone did ask about that had the blackouts in California caused an increase in power wall and solar and he said there has been a slight blip but He said just in general of the overall demand has really been hinging on people wanting the solar roof. And so they they feel like they've got a huge backlog of that and one of the reasons he claims that things haven't progressed as quickly and I think this does make sense ends was that he was saying and I quote as part of it like for about eighteen months. Almost two years we had to divert a tremendous amount of resources. We had to basically take resources from everywhere else in the company and apply them to model through production fixing the model three production ramp and simplifying the design of model three so for about a year and a half we unfortunately only stripped tesla energy of engineering and other resources and even took the cell production lines that were meant for power while in power pack and redirected them to the car. Because we didn't have enough cells cells and so he's basically now post Hawk admitting that Part of the reason tests solar business has in advance and they haven't been able to make as much much progress on solar roof is because they move almost all the talent to focus on solving model three because that was an existential risk. If they didn't make model three successful the whole company would would have gone bankrupt and we know that they were quite close to that multiple times and with model three. But they've finally been able to get to a place where they feel comfortable and therefore they've been able to reallocate. Those folks backed Tessler so we'll have to put a pin in this and when the Q.. Four numbers come out. Come back definitely check to see if they're getting toward that one thousand roof Mark Yes i. I'm very curious if solar roof does the move at the ramp pace they said because We should do. We should do a deeper dive before that happened. So we can. We can go a little more. 'cause they did an entire forty five minute our call about solar roof so it could be useful to into that Moving on to SX briefly We've already spoken to that a bit a couple more. Things I found kind of intriguing was that they are working to increase production a model three and model S. N. Model X.. And they say the bulk of that work in view involves continued optimization of the existing equipment and then they are increasing production for model Donald S. An ex lines for this quarter in response increasing demand and they anticipate that demand will be reflected in the S and x deliveries in Q.. Four which which I think you have to say would be higher than Q.. Three sequentially but here's something that really scared a lot of people and this was on the model model s a really niche. They're just really niche products. I mean they're very expensive made in low volume to be totally frank. We're continuing to make them more for sentimental into mental reasons than anything else. They're really of minor importance to the future. So I think we've kind of known this for a little while wild that that doesn't sound terribly shocking. Yeah yeah they. They've been talking about this for a while like why aren't you pushing model and S and x like why isn't and why isn't that growing. And he launched its been pointing to well model. Three is our focus model threes. Our Future and I think people expected that model would bounce back to their previous model three levels once model three had gone to a more stable level like it has now now but they haven't and I think what scares people who are customers of model. SNL In one of our friends. has a Model X.. And he was concerned to hearing this because he loves his model X. and he wants to get another one at some point when he's done with this one and I don't think this means they're going to get rid of the Model S. and ex. I think they are still going to keep making improvements. But when you think about Shanghai gigafactory there's no plans to make s an ex air. When you think about the European repeat gigafactory? There are no plans to make their and really the future and Yulon said this on the call. The future is model three and model model. Why and you know the pickup truck? The Tesla semi roadster are all going to be much lower volume. The pickup truck. Who knows is maybe that will really be big but pickup trucks aren't nearly as popular globally as they are in the US so you might be able to get by with just production for for the pickup truck Especially because the price points are quite high so I think it just sort of points out that the S. and EXRA quite useful for launching the company and Nice Halo Vehicles Vehicles. But they are not going to be investing in them. Nearly as much as they invest in improvements for model three and model Y so I wouldn't expect a lot of work on unless there's some new technology that they want to test out there Easy but not lots of big massive redesigns. Do I think they're going to roll out. The screens means in a new format model X.. At some point yes but it's not priority and I think not being priority is a very dangerous thing tesla because because they have so many things pushing priority and challenges happening that being four or five on the priority list might mean you really get pushed out really really a long time frames and things that you might have thought we're GONNA come this year come like a year later or two years later. Yeah I'm sure they'll be. They'll be making motorcycles and drones before they get to updating adding The US and ex. Yeah it's IT'S A it's a bit frustrating for folks who who like those those vehicles so I understand but those are also the categories. Ah going to have the most direct competition from other companies right away so it's also like not the area that is that large of the market and also they already are besting the competitors from an efficiency point of view so they don't have to work that hard to continue to sell those vehicles else moving on the model three not too much more than what we've already discussed just that. Despite the decreasing being average selling price the margins are improving. And this is a really fundamental thing because typically when you sell lower-priced version version of your product. You're not GonNa have as much margin because you typically can charge more for fancy bells and whistles those that are really high margin and so the cheaper something is harder to make any margin on it because usually a lot more demand for cheaper products and so despite having the mix go down because of the standard range and Sandra range plus having less initial initial performance models going out to international markets the margins are improving which means the fundamental costs and production capabilities of the vehicle or are getting better. The other really intriguing thing to think about To your earlier point about still seeing brand new model threes on the road is that this is kind of shocking. Actually as of all the model threes ever made twenty two percent of them were made in this past quarter so it's been over two years of production and nearly a quarter of all of them that have ever been made. We're just made in the past three months. And they were all all purchased they were all sold. It's just it's still being pretty pretty impressive to think about how many of these things are are arriving. And people are having their very first experience with Tesla and exposing it to their friends and exposing it to their family members and you know the retention rate of Tesla Tesla customers is so high that you know in three or four or five years when they're ready for a new vehicle. It's going to be such a massive upgrade cycle. I feel like this is really that cycle where it's like. We're kind of in the. I don't know maybe the iphone four similar timeframe when really started to take off and a new people. The the thing that was so special about smartphones was that you'd buy a new one almost every year 'cause capacities are increasing. So much in terms of the capabilities that you got got this really high hockey stick exponential and you won't see the same level from all three but I think for Tesla like you organised see a an extremely high loyalty rate based on what we've seen with the SX customers and and even model three customers trading up when they meden when I need a new vehicle like we've seen some of our friends so it'll be interesting to see if the if if the sort of stagnation of the S. X. ex- deters people from upgrading their threes. Like if you if you want a bigger vehicle or if you're in that sort of cycle of you know you've had model three or two model threes up up in the future and you WANNA bigger vehicle but like will the the sort of interior and functionality of the put you off and will it feel like a downgrade I don't know it's it's an interesting question to think of. People kind of working their way up the product line Over the of course of years. Tusla yeah and does it mean that with software updates may actually extend the useful life of your vehicle right. I bet they what people may have been on a three year upgrade cycle if you were kind of aggressive maybe a five year if you're like more standard If that adds one or two years you're actually kind of Tesla's hurting themselves in a way where the challenge for smartphone makers right now. Is that the replacement cycle has really extended because the new the new smartphones aren't as big of a leap as they used to be. And certainly you know buying a model three three now from one. Two years ago is better but is it. You know thirty or forty thousand dollars better. It's probably not wonder life changes ages and you need more capacity. You're going to have a model Y to go up to but yet to your point. I'm not sure I would want to buy a brand new model X.. Right now given it doesn't thousand really feel like there's that much I don't know it's tough. They are better but they're not to me. I would feel like there's some big downgrades downgrades from coming from model three. I think that's potentially something. They're not fully appreciating that there might be more people who would like to step up to a bigger vehicle cool slightly more LUX vehicle now that they've had a taste with the model three and they look at it like kind of like the way the three screen is like or I would like to have the events like the model three or handles for getting in and out of the vehicle and very simple things like that. I wonder if the as you're saying this. And and Tesla updating cars as they go I wonder if they do any sort of like performance conditioning of the battery over time. Because because you know batteries naturally degrade and it would be reasonable for them to somewhat adjusts the characteristics of the of the drive system to adapt to the sort of life cycle at the battery But that's something that apple has gotten in trouble for because people say they're you know this whole lake your throttling my phone. Kinda anything when Apples point of view. They're actually trying to make the phone perform well given the degraded battery. And it's this weird thing where people are misunderstanding. What's happening thing and I wonder if if if Tesla is like watching what's happening there and wondering if that's something that is going to be some sort of model three class action lawsuit in Twenty eight twenty five or something from angry people who don't understand like you know battery technology? I think they'll definitely people who are upset when they realize like when they're so you know five hundred thousand six hundred thousand miles range that The battery isn't nearly as good as it used to be. I think that for the the car is because the useful life of the battery is so much longer than the sort of useful life of the screen and the components in an iphone. That it won't be as mismatched where you know. The extreme is like the air pods where it's like after a year and a half two years like their shot even though the speakers are fine the plastic is fine all these things so the bigger the battery pack for Lithium Theon. Obviously the less kind of harsh. The conditions and so as Tesla has larger and larger battery packs in general in vehicles going forward that becomes lesser and lesser challenge because they don't have to stress them as much But certainly the people who've done really intense supercharging very frequently they'll stop appear from doing that and You know your your peak one hundred per cent charge. Range does go down over time and so people do get pissed off about that it is going to be. That's probably just like the biggest Not Maintenance but like corollary to having stuff go wrong wrong with your internal combustion. Engine cars like things won't necessarily go wrong the same way in an electric car but this whole new concept that like your car won't go as far as it used to when you bought it fresh and you have to get used to that And upgrading your battery may or may not make sense given the interior. Here's getting a little beaten up and it'll be interesting to me to see how long model threes last on the US market. Like will we see many million mile model threes being sold at some point or will they be junked because it's people like the interior just doesn't just gets worn out when you have that many that many people in your vehicle for that long well because it's not also built to like not built like an airplane seat or something it's more more of a personal vehicle which is which gets into the whole problem with the network but yes we. We won't dive into that right now. We'll get in that another time. Moving on from remodel three Shanghai gigafactory. I think this was definitely something that we've been tracking but it's really great to see like more official commentary. Commentary from Tesla on it. Because we've only gone a few updates on this it's really been just approximately three earnings calls where they've been talking about the Shanghai gigafactory because it's only been production. It's it's only been in construction for ten months and what's really exciting is that it's ahead ahead of schedule. And the trial. Production of vehicles already begun the body the pain General Assembly. All that is is working and vehicles that are are going through that entire process and they're currently working with the Chinese government to finalise production license. So they can get sign off to have these vehicles for sale is tasked with working with any sort of I remember one of the things things with apple was the the issues about the conditions in the factory. And they were I think they work with some sort of outside auditors to to make sure that Foxconn on or any other contractors are meeting certain standards and when I hear things about like crazy time frames as to how fast things are being built. I'm wondering is there any like costs that are being hidden here like like you know ten people a week dying while making this factory. Is there any way of knowing any of this. So I'm not aware of them working with any labour auditors or safety auditors that being said due to being Tesla and due to it being one of the most shorted stocks that does have a bit of an antiseptic effect. Where if there is news that is negative for Tesla it gets amplified and so my sense is and this is just my sense? Is that if there were a violation of Chinese law or to General Challenges of God forbid anyone being injured or worse that we would have heard about it. Certainly we heard about it with Foxconn. Think the scale is certainly a lot smaller. There's only a couple thousand people working at this factory relative to foxconn which is nearly one hundred thousand people. I believe so a lot lot smaller number of people And I I would say. Also that China is quite good at producing and building even skyscrapers in incredibly fast times. I think probably the the the biggest thing is like round multiple cruise around the clock like in the US. Yes you really. It's even tough to get a twelve hour shift so to get a twenty four hour shift with people who don't have to wait for permits and all these things like doc that's double the triple. The PACE so saying that takes ten months in China could easily take two years to three years somewhere else so even even just by having more people working on it around the clock. It's a huge huge increase in production. Time so I don't think there's anything nefarious going going on on there but I think if there is we will definitely find out about it soon. The other thing. That's really impressive. Here and I think this goes to Tesla. Sort of continual annual improvement in designing production systems is because this is like their next new factory and they get to start from scratch instead of using the legacy systems of the production system they had at Fremont they got to design it from scratch and as a result the capital deficiency of the new production lines at Shanghai gigafactory or sixty five percent less expensive than the model three production system in Fremont so what is is that sixty five percent less expensive mean so they've spent less sixty five percent less cap ex per unit of capacity so for every car that the can produce there that the line is designed for. They've spent sixty five percent less on the equipment to produce that one vehicle capacity. Does that make sense. It's like the yeah. They're getting better at. Yeah but sixty five percent is a lot like a lot better for for one generation. Air quotes like production system. That's super impressive. And and I wonder if it's how much of it is is that the their initial one was just very very inefficient. And there's a lot of sort of low hanging fruit to optimize. So I think part of it is like the they they needed a lot fewer robots. They figured out what steps are actually required and now when they go out and buy everything everything needed to replicate what they're doing in in Fremont now and doing it and even more efficient way from a blank sheet. You just have to spend less money to do. And that's super super important because that means the margins will be better out of the gate because you have less fixed cost to allocate to every unit underproduction. So that's this is a really really big deal because oftentimes in places where Labor recall are lower. You're not as efficient with cap X.. Because you just rely on people. And they don't seem to be doing that they still actually seem to have more automation which is kind of impressive. They're targeting three thousand units per week as a production capacity one hundred and fifty thousand vehicles per year. Sure so they didn't install like the same level of production capacity of like half a million seven hundred thousand like they did it Fremont so this is still relatively Lee small. Also they expect China to be the biggest market single market for model three. So that's why it's here and why they built this factory next even though China only represents eleven percent of total sales It is going to be is. The largest market for sedans already is the largest market for vs and currently the model threes being imported have a fifteen percent tariff so they cost more to Chinese buyers. Plus there's even more incentives if you buy a locally produced vehicle in China China so Shanghai is just like really really impressive. How quickly? They've they've put it together As probably Lee you along with saying that he believes it's probably the most sophisticated Factory that's ever been built this quickly probably true and global. We'll approval but probably true and that. Yeah they're in this trial production and since the earnings call. We've seen even more Chinese media you go to the factory. And even I believe ten cents automotive. Journalists has done a review of of one of the model threes built in China and he actually has a model three that was was imported and he was saying that the build quality is better. The Chinese ones build. Quality's better it's quieter so it's a got better slightly better production improvements on the model three itself and everything else is basically the same so so these vehicles will only in China. But I think it's really important that the caliber of the vehicles as good or better than the ones made here in the US us and it's funny to think that at one point in time you know made in China was kind of a a negative especially in the automotive world was like all Chinese minis cars are not great but now China is incredibly great at producing complex objects and And now certainly with Tesla having so much automation it's even. It's even more possible that these vehicles may be to better SPEC than the ones even made in Fremont so. Yeah yeah well. That was the way with the Japanese cars and then Korean cars right like they. They were Ikano cheapies when they first started and then they eventually got really really good at it. Yeah for sure now. Though the model San will be the same yeah and I think it's just too difficult as a an American fully really appreciate how big the automotive market is in China. It's really the only market that's growing and how much China is pushing for and how. How as a dictatorial government they can force to be adopted both carrots and sticks and you know they attached a bunch of photos from the factory and just looking at some of these in our notes like this is the exact same stamping press that they have at Fremont but it's like the brand new one and they have a whole bunch of really old ones too but like seeing everything coming off the stamping press looks a lot like Fremont like the density of robots looks just as intense as it does that at Fremont or or even more and you know just thinking like all of this equipment has been installed in less than ten months and like just seeing these model threes like just rolling through and these people working on like? It's just so impressive. This whole building is brand new. And you look at the the one shot from the drone up above and the test cars off to the left and then like all the semi trucks like. Can you imagine if the Fremont factory had that great of access for the Semi trucks to come in. I'm still amazed they get the car. I can't believe remote at all. Yeah freemont is crazy. And then you zoom down a little bit and you look at the in January. It was a watermelon patch and October. You've got thousands of people inside around the first view 'cause they produced and it's like this huge factory like look at how high the ceilings are. It's like double the height of Fremont Fremont it's it's super super impressive and This is just the first thing. They're already at work on a brand new building at the end of it and the new building is going to be for building the batteries. So right now. They're shipping in the packs but they're going to be building them there and then they're going to expand even further when they start producing model. Why they're think they're going to be hosting tours for podcast hosts? I don't know I would love to go to China to endure this factory. That would be extremely fun to do so Tesla Pr. If you're listening we would. We would love to come toward the new factory. Would look to see the factory. I Love Shanghainese Food Let's let's make this APP will the other thing it's like this is GonNa be the true gigafactory right where they make cells they make packs and then they make the car is. It's this is the one that will be more most dreadnought ask for sure. Moving moving on. I've got a couple more things model. Y this one's really cool to model is ahead of schedule there early to launch it the summer instead of in the fall three months early. So here's the thing why okay. I do not believe Tesla would be so reckless as to set themselves up for another late vehicle on purpose. Best when they didn't need to so remember the model y came out we were talking about and I was like Just doesn't it feels like it's pretty far away we were. We're thinking maybe they were going to be more aggressive than getting it out in like six months six or nine months but it was like over year plus away twenty twenty. I just like because of my age I think like twenty twenty is distant future lady Star Trek time periods. Yes I still feel like twenty twenty is going to be the most fun one future year. Like moving out of the teens is going to be pretty cool so anyways they set that expectation that was going to be fall of twenty twenty at the unveil and okay like that maybe was like a little bit of a Gimme but it could be good for their pr to have actually hit a deadline for once and now they come out and say you know. We're going to be three months early so we don't think we've sufficiently actually underestimated that we're going to. We're going to revise and then also says there may be some room for improvement there but we're confident about summer. Twenty twenty so he he can watch rug addict. Yeah it's like watching a drug addict. Who just like can't help but go back? He can't help himself from even trying to set the deadline even sooner and also so. This isn't the start of production. Mind you this is what volume production is of a thousand cars a week so they plan to be at a thousand cars a week in summer. Twenty twenty so let's let's give them charitably like August which means they did lease need a couple months ahead of time. So that's like April or May of next ear starting production so that's plausible. Given that we now are seeing model. Wise driving around Palo Alto because it seems as if they have the release candidate because he was mentioning the release candidate and it's great and he's really happy about it and it's better than even what they showed off and and you know we've had many more people citing all sorts of different model wise So I think it's very plausible. They're already doing doing construction work at the factory to tool everything up for it Endorse route indoors and the equipment is underway installation And they say they're moving faster. Using the learnings and efficiency gained from gigafactory Shanghai in high factory design and also that the cap ex per unit of model why capacities forecasted to be fifty percent lower than the current model three production system in the US. So they plan to utilize a lot of the improvements from what they've done. Shanghai in model. Why in the US so and also someone asked on the call if they planned if model y was going to disrupt model three and they said we're not expecting any any disruption or factory shutdowns as a result we do not expected affected interfere? The body line is separate. The painting line is basically we do not expect it to interfere with model three and we don't expect any downtime so And Yeah Yeah. They said thousand miles per week thousand of them per week. No later than the middle of twenty twenty okay. I'm excited about model Wi fi speed ahead. Yeah have we seen what the trunk situation is on the model. Why I feel the hatch? Okay because all the way like molex model s well maybe maybe they'll look at these that we get it. I mean it definitely is we but it's very it's it's just like a Shrunken Model X.. With lifted model three Combo I think it's going to be very very popular. Cool Americans do love their. SUV's yeah and they don't expect any cannibalization. They pointed out that when Model X. came out model sales increased. I think they're wrong long there. I think there are people buying model three. Just because it's a great price point. Who would prefer to have this vehicle but again they're only going to be producing a thousand thousand a week to begin with and rampant? So they'll be able to see what the split is but it seems like the the why is coming in to the only real competition space to write like isn't like Audi and Jaguar and I think I pretty sure I just saw an electric Volvo. Suv as well. Yeah this this segment. Yeah but I'm not sure if you were starting to dip their toes in yeah. They've all focused on the SUV market. They're similar they're slightly bigger not like full size. SUV's but the price points are like twenty thousand dollars more so it's the entry point from Ottawa will be closer to forty thousand and you could go and order one right now right like they're using the same ordering infrastructure And order pilot. Yeah Yeah Yeah well. You can configure one with all the options the same way. You can't him all three. It just says it'll be shipped Some point in two thousand twenty. I think this is a really really good sign. Like they are still using over. Seventy percent of the parts are coming from model three obviously they're very far along on the Integration of it. Because they're running release candidates there was an interview with Franz the chief designer on the ride. The lightning podcast. Odd cast with Ryan McCaffrey. Recently and in some ways it sounded like AK- Franz is not very excited about the car because it was sort of just like the brief was making SUV version Asian of model three and keeping low cost so the design challenge right. It didn't sound like he was like enthused about it but as a spectator dictatorship the company. I think that's probably the right choice to actually have not gone nuts with the model y and I think it's certainly going to be very popular. I think is another Tesla this is. I think I would get on why I would definitely want to try it. I've never had an SUV view. Before but the few times I've rented them I don't know there's something nice about a better road position and ultimately a not driving super performance anyways use my model three in chill mode You and I went on a relatively good hour drive a couple of weeks ago. And and we're just not doing launches all the time like it will make nauseated. So I'm not that worried about slightly worse performance driving dynamics in in a slightly higher car that has more spacious for the occupants. So I totally get it I understand. I know there's a lot of purists of sedans out there but I think the functionality of this shape is better and I think people who've had hatchbacks understand that as you. You can't get enormous bags of hockey equipment in in and out of the back. I we can't have it so this actually could be. This could be your next vehicle right like you still haven't purchased a SUV. No are two thousand seven inhabit is still going so if she can hold on for another apparently only nine months right good. You really could be kind of interesting thing might happen you should that would make sense. I'm not gonNA preorder. But if they if they are available It will probably happen because my wife likes the model three And she wants an electric vehicle. She doesn't like cool dishes. She doesn't like destroying the environment just to get from point A. TO POINT B. but it's Yeah IT'S A. It's definitely early on on my radar if fingers crossed if my little rabbit can can keep going. I mean the the important thing about here too is like right like all of the the majority the parts are now at a scaled production capacity so the door handles those are the same as on the model three right so whoever makes us door handles they're making six seven thousand of them a week already. Adding another few hundred thousand is not GonNa be that challenging and they could steal some from the model all three production line right and so in the beginning with model three they were going from nothing and getting all these suppliers to believe them and start producing and shipping and get into their system and have it in the warehouse like they've got these parts in their warehouse already so like the screen is exactly the same. The steering wheel is going to be exactly the same name. The mirrors are exempt like thousands of parts are exactly the same so then it just comes down to can they produce it can. They actually manufacture it and daycare Dakin like test that because they have all the parts so I do think if there was ever a chance for Tesla to have higher accuracy of their prediction. This should be it. So it's a really big test to see if they have gotten better at this Prediction game especially because they are used to producing. You know eight thousand vehicles a week now instead of before you know. What was it two thousand vehicles week or less so go should be good Okay all right what else we got cyber truck pick off right. God How did I not hear of I. This is the first. Well I guess about an hour ago is the first. I've heard of this name. So you started referring to it as cyber truck. Why if you hit eighty eight miles an hour will it? Will it take you back to nineteen ninety-five why you're thinking of the wrong movie. Oh you got to be thinking about bladerunner back to the future. No it's the whole era like that was the cyber era by cyber dyne systems. Yeah doesn't involve time travel. No but it is supposed to still look like something that came out of a movie set. Yon Has said. Recently at the most recent like Air Force event. He was being interviewed at. He said it looked really futuristic and And so then a direct quote but it would look like you just ride off a movie set. People are really going to notice it and so he said on this call. I think we said enough about Hessler. Truck we're not going to. This is not the right forum for us to do the product launches. But I think it would be. I mean my opinion and this could be totally wrong. I could be totally out to lunch here but I think the Tesla cyber truck is our best product art ever. That's my opinion on musk. Best product ever. The kind of reminds me of how Tim Cook gets up there. And says you're going to like this. Is Our best iphone ever. We're so proud to share share. This view I mean yeah it better be your best product efforts your most recent product. But he didn't say that about model why he didn't say that their best product ever. I think they've got a lot of crazy stuff going on cyber truck and I don't think it's GonNa come out for a little while still and it will be pretty low volume to begin with but it's going to be UH bananas. I think we've seen some of the Leaked image of the roof or the front and I think it's going to look a lot like the semi word has his massive raked windshield. I think it's going to be extremely angular. He also said it's bulletproof. I think it's going to have that. Crazy Tesla Glass Natural Castle that the semi has. I think it might have an option for four motors one in each wheel. I like one for each wheel. So it could do tank mode where like two wheels rotate forward into will's road rotate backwards. And kind of spin in place. His brother tweeted out. I'm most excited for the test for the cyber truck than any other products in Model S.. It's going to blow your mind and and they're unveiling it November twenty first so eleven days from as we record it's the fascinating thing about this. The the more I keep hearing about all of these crazy teases and all this stuff tough. The more I'm wondering what the market is for it like are they going to actually like kind of innovate themselves into like the over the concentric circles of people who are interested and people can afford it and people it's made for. It's GonNa be like just people. Musk the middle of it. That's not not risk. No I don't i. I feel like the pickup truck. Market is is unique in a few characteristics. One thing going for it for Tesla. Is that pickup trucks or high high priced vehicles. It's not unusual to spend fifty sixty seventy eight thousand dollars on a nice pickup truck. So so so. There's that the they have. The price point to play with pickup. Trucks are extremely high margin. Urgent for traditional automakers so So that they have that price point however and then also like towing capacity and utility. I think certainly the electric motored drivetrain should be excellent for that except for potentially range issues so they have that they have the ability to have in voltage generator. Pretty easily they're going to have and the air suspension. So they're gonNA have a high pressure air for folks who WanNa have tools that run on compressed air they can they can power those. There'll be plenty of capacity for stuff however this the shape. This blade runner esque shape. I'm not sure sure it's going to. It's tricky like I'm not sure. How many people who really want to drive the Batman? Tumbler like is it is. Is it cool a Geeky or is it like aggressive tough and I think that's going to be a pretty fine line because a lot of folks who like trucks like big trucks because they're tough and they look intense and they look strong. Well there's been there's been like just a marketing feedback loop going the trucks just get bigger occur and more ostentatious like year after year after year. And you just think about how many massive trucks are being never taken off road or really being used for work. They're just really nice. You play vehicles and just daily drivers for some people and that that's what they like the same way that as these you know like big range. Rovers are still pretty pretty capable but they're mostly lux vehicle so I'm really really curious to see if it resonates with traditional truck buyers or of this brings brings out people who would have been a model X.. But now by this. What's the seating capacity? Is it going to be five seats or is it going to be like seven. Is it going to had like a cover back in the event that you don't want like truck bed like is is it going to be a an F.. One fifty replacement or like a Hummer h one one replacement. That's the question is just like this. Like you know kind of novelty ridiculous vehicle or is it going to be something that people use really. Don't want got to be like the Aztec like kind of in between vehicle Tesla Aztec would be awesome. That'd be so cool. They should they should have a skin in for the model. Why that makes it look like Walter White's as tech helpfully so anyways that will probably be our next episode? We'll be dissecting the model the cyber truck If we ever get information well November twenty first dude. That's okay all right. Eleven days and I'm GonNa make the prediction here. I don't think it's that special but I I think it will be towing a rocket. Why not yeah? Maybe it'll be so big. They'll just be a rocket that takes off from its bed. Now it will tow it. Ah but it won't be an official tow rating that high like it will have an official tour rating like twelve thousand pounds or something. Maybe it'll tow the semi-in yeah. It could tow the semi. But but that's I think they're gonNA tell her rocket would have been towed. All the Tesla vehicles chained together. Oh definitely it could. It could all vehicles in in a thing and then those are all being towed like. I think it's GonNa be something ridiculous because we've seen model XS tow like air air airplanes. So it's it's not safe to do that long term But it has enough torque to to get one of those things. Moving can tow a train a like a rail train. Yeah Yeah so so. I think that will be get people's attention like it's strong enough to tell a rocket but I'm I'm just so curious because because here's the thing so many people will see movie vehicles. I wish that was real but if you really put that on the street next to other vehicles it would look really weird. Yeah it would look really uncomfortable like this. Remember some of those like What was that yeah? It was like that. Kind of retro. tro style pickup truck that Chevy for bubbly and there is also. Is that the crawler crawler or something. It's like it kind of looked like a nineteen fifties hot rod but it was built out built in the nineties by GM anyway retro. Oh cars yeah didn't dodge make one too that had like we're like like articulated headlights and everything. Yes so I'm very curious But it does seem and sound very blade runner esque and even even so far as the opening credits of blade runner reference the setting a blade runner and it it is November Los Angeles two thousand nineteen. So that's why we are unveiling in November twenty and nineteen in Los Angeles Louis. Blade runner is set at that time. And this is supposed to be the bladerunner truck all right. So so lastly favorite topic yes. Do you have a letter grade for this quarter. self-driving we have to talk about self driving. My topic was letter grade. Okay Full self driving over a million smart summon usage so far I'm probably contributed about fifteen of those Two or three for real purposes and the rest for testing so I saw someone use it In a parking garage I was telling you this Sossamon use it. I was walking into a really crowded whole foods in the parking space was so tight I just saw guy standing behind his car looking at his phone and just like having a drive-in so he didn't have to like jam. The doors to get out which I thought was so smart parking more than seven but see that's smart but then how's the of the other people don't have that feature so they're gonNA have to try and open their door and they're going to Ding you yeah. I don't think it's good to use it to get in Kazan. You're forcing other people have a really tough time and potentially your car and needed more defensive posture. Yeah I will take a more defensive pot I would use it to get out if some other people have parked closely to me but only after the fact we got a little detail that deep scale company did they acquired that Had The guy who did I think squeeze net basically was twelve. People though is is a traditional higher I think they did about twenty million dollars in Tesla stock as consideration and they had expertise increasing the efficiency of neural networks for a given amount of compute which Alon said was helpful and so it remains to be seen but the intent behind that was basically to slightly accelerate. Full self driving and That's the intent and hopefully it will turn out to be true but no like super fundamental technology really just the people who have expertise on on smaller networks for Dedicated chips that were running on smartphones. So basically just how do you to networks for for for smaller power consumption. So people were hoping for some massive breakthrough not really in the cars from that and then also they're going to be making some more improvements smart some in based on and All the millionaire. So a subset of those million that have come in and just sort of reiterated that that's part are there advantages that they have the fleet and they have the data pipelines in a way that they can actually improve based on seeing these edge cases and more unique training data. So nothing super unexpected. Just good to hear that There will be some more improvements for smart summon. It's definitely early days but you can see the potential there but here. Here's to the full. self-driving that's really was knew he did just sort of unprompted say I do while it's going to be tight. It's still does appear that we will be at least in limited in early access release of feature complete full self driving feature this year so it's not for sure but it appears to be on track for at least in early access release for a fully functional full. self-driving bid the end of this year. Okay so again. I think they had they had said by the end of this year. They'd be feature complete so they're behind but potentially only a couple months behind and the thing that's kind of intriguing reading about this is what he then went on to say was the next step will be full self driving with smart and being kind of the beginning of that and obviously really we kind of have the two sides of it highway autopilot and we've got summoned which is sort of low speed in parking lots now we need to work on solving the intermediate portion which is traffic ethic lights and stop signs and navigating through winding roads and winding narrow roads in suburban neighborhoods. That's the focus right. Now we've been talking about for months. This is obviously the next major missing piece and how they think about it is not how many of the folks that are going out for full self. Driving driving in a robot taxi world are where they've been doing the full experience in very tough environments even in certain environments that aren't like San Francisco. They're still way tougher than what Tesla's aiming for because Tesla is really just aiming for like the the the minimalist features That you really would have to say like oh the car drove itself and so ah went. On further to kind of even further eliminate what he meant feature feature complete. I mean it's the car is able to drive from one's house to work most likely without interventions so it will still be supervised but it will be able to drive drive. It will fill in the gap from low-speed autonomy low-speed autonomy was summoned. You've got high speed economy on the highway and intermediates autonomy which is really just means traffic lights and stop signs so feature complete means. It's most likely able to do that without intervention without human intervention. But it would still be supervise. And I've gone through this time line several times. But it's it's often misconstrued and three major levels of autonomy. There's a car being able to Thomas Boca requiring to prevent supervision and interventions at times. That's feature complete. I'm going to interject. Caleb see accents would help intervention at times that's feature complete. This is where a lot of the media are extremely extremely extremely disappointed. And Point Tesla for being incorrectly calling this self-driving but I think we've been quite clear since his ever was described that this is what Tesla would mean and it's getting closer so now they have to really point out that you are still going to have to be watching. It's still going to make lots of mistakes and they'll still be places where it doesn't work. Just smart summoned doesn't work in a lot of parking lots and it's like not not great in a lot of places and autopilot is not at all full self. Driving is an awful. self-driving yes it's like it could maybe get from here to you the highway but I still think it might have some problems on some of these turns and like it. It's semi auto semi robotic occur. Yeah Yeah it's like it's. It's really more like having a student driver in the car right like you know you've got the brake pedal in the second can steering wheel might have to take over. Yes so it's really more like a full driver's Ed but they'll also be like classes of time where it's like. It sees its missing something that clearly early human would've seen and I think that's going to be the thing that throws people is. I think I still think that's the most dangerous thing I mean this this. Yeah and it's just like people we're GONNA if it's if it's just like it's going to get good enough. It's going to be good enough where people are going to zone out. And people aren't going to be able to re contextualised and and take control in time. I think that's going to be. The the alternative is that it would be. It would need to know so far in advance that you need to take over I. I don't know it just seems like a an insurmountable problem. The biggest hump I think could be that it's so it's so bad it requires there's so many interventions in the beginning that there's no way you would disengage mentally. And then they use that training data as people are doing that to basically go from the prototype typeface to a really good working version. That might be enough. Seems like the PR on that would be terrible though. Yes yeah it's going to. It'd be rough. I mean I think it's GonNa be worse than like worse than navigate on autopilot like remember when navigate on auto came out like it was really scary to try and use that on the highway. And but they're like oh you navigate on autopilot. Now you don't have to change lanes but you still would not want. I still WANNA use an auto places with stop signs than stoplights like they've been testing that for over a year and a half the challenge. There is false. False negatives are so problematic problematic like that's the right won miss something that that's going to be really risky and what I mean. If you use it maybe you'll realize like oh it normally catches the stop sign fine but then one day and were weird like conditions a dozen. What are you gonNA? I mean they're not using maps. They're not using high Def maps so there's no backup so I just really curious. And if if if they're going to be feature complete that's like a month and a half for for some people are GonNa get this and slips to January. Say Say we're two months away or two and a half months away that some people are GonNa get this and there's going to be videos of people using this and Holy Moly like is what I've wanted for a long time but it's coming and they didn't release it as a safety feature. I I thought they were going to release it as like a warning system. I maybe they will. Maybe they still will but I thought they were GonNa do it like. Oh there's a stop sign ahead. It won't actually stop. It will just tell you that it sees it and then you can use that to make sure that the system's really working but it seems like if ever there was an opportunity or or a necessity for like kind of a slow slow iterative rollout like this would be would be the case and and I think they do themselves a disservice by continuing to call it full self driving and then promise like discreet day where it's going to be available Something that's just kind of constantly getting better like do I wonder if it's GonNa do unto like left turns at intersections or if it's just gonNA drive through lights like I would treat it like we used to treat first Gen apple products and how I kinda still treat like major apple software update. I'm GonNa let a bunch of other people do it. I and and then eventually once once once. I think it's safe then. Maybe I might consider doing it so he then went on at. And as I said before at the point where we're able to upload the software enabling Tesla to become become a Robo taxi expect to have that form of functionality standpoint by the end of next year in terms of the functionality basic functionality. Ask Brash as a hello basic functionality aberrationally end of this year but reliable enough that you do not need to pay attention in our opinion by the end of next year so he thinks it will take just one year to go from the rough feature complete to intestines opinion based on the number of miles they have and the quality that you would not need to pay attention. That is wild we shall see. I do not think we have seen that much improvement. This year. No in navigate on autopilot. Like you definitely sell to pay attention now. The missing pieces that the current systems aren't really taking advantage of the new twenty x better poll. self-driving computer where this will but still like holy smokes and also how could they know it's only gonNA take. How could they know it's going to take a year now? Even they don't know what the edge cases are that's the whole point right and an entirely new type of like software development and all of these unknowns is way hey more unknown than the rather tractable problem of manufacturing a vehicle and like their estimates a wildly off on those how can you have any confidence in their estimates of of like this crazy thing that no one's done before it just seems not to to slap on them like they. They should be doing it just think they. They do a terrible job of communicating this process and managing expectations I don't know how much that is just Ilan being Ilan but it seems like it would behoove them to Be a little more conservative and methodical about it. It's still exciting enough on. Its own like that if you're being conservative methodical. It's still still interesting to talk about in here about. You don't need to make crazy promises. And Yeah I I. If if he wants free advice that's that would oh be mine. I agree I mean. Don't get me wrong. I really want to try these features. I want to be able to have the car. Leave this parking working law and take me to the highway and I don't think that route is particularly challenging. There's a couple of stop signs a few stop lights but it's the one left turn and then it's all straight so. That should be doable. But I still worry about it because there are some areas where there's barely Leonie Lane markings and it's a little bit tight and yeah it's just I'm really really curious Now remember a few months back. They had that autonomy day and they did that loop around to eighty and that seemed to work relatively well and I think that's basically what we're going to be getting by the end of this year and I would love to have that still but it's it's not what these other makers these other folks are doing in places like Pittsburgh and San Francisco and Chandler like the. It's nowhere close to that level and people we'll get it wrong. People will say Tesla's just as good as crews and soups and Waymo and all these folks and that's just so it's just so wrong. There's no way they're anywhere close to that level of quality and yet they're gonNA try and plant a flag saying they have full self-driving features and we've talked about it but I think your point that's going to be very problematic because they will not be anywhere close to that quality level and it's still going to take years for them to get get to that level and that's fine. It's still very fast in absolute terms but I just wish they were more cautious or they had just. I don't know how they backed themselves out of this now because they just painted themselves in a corner where they they have this by two thousand eighteen. And we'RE WE'RE GONNA be in two thousand twenty and it's still not going to be there and they said they'd have Robo taxes by the end of next year like I just. I want the functionality but I I really feel like they are going to have big big problems to deal with medical and Hubris discussions again about how far they thought they were GonNa get with self-driving and we'll hear is well there's just so many cases there's so much you know it's just such a tough problem and as you get closer and closer. It gets harder and harder. And he's going to make these getting halfway closer he's going to. He's going to add example halfway closer. You just think and he's GonNa say you know. The last ten percent is ninety percent onto the work. And you know our team's great job and point all these improvements but it's going to I just WanNa know do they realize that today and and they just keep sticking to this for aspirational motivation. Or does he really think they're that close because he's not dumb guy. Hi I duNNo. It's vexing all right. Well let's let's wrap it up we've got. We've got quite a lot of their. Yeah so letter grade let our grass and yeah guard. This quarter solid a minus all right. Yeah really it's the prophets it's record deliveries at Shanghai gigafactory. Its model. Why they're keeping their heads down there executing well no major snafus with the SEC? Four and then their pipeline is strong with with a Wi with cyber truck stuff super excited. Yeah definitely continue to make progress on. self-driving as we've alluded to and yeah they gotta be ten with the Games with the video stuff with a Carre Okay and now. They have an update going out where it can detect cones where it gets five percent more capacity or power where you've got faster supercharging smaller vehicles and also one pedal driving so that's going out so yeah just a really solid quarter and in the most popular song in your Karaoke whatever. The default was when I tried it. I haven't used it. You don't have to lie. You could tell us I haven't used it you've been you've been seeing into Adele now. I don't know I haven't I haven't used it. I haven't I would use it if they started recording from the internal camera. Because it'd it'd be fun to share out and try and trick people. But they still don't use that internal camera for anything huge missed opportunity or not that. They're telling you. I think that would socialize camera really well well does that have an led on it. Does it like kind of like your Webcam on your Mac Is there little light. That tells you when it's on no no that's just says they're not using it interesting. Cool all right well. a-minus Yes all right and we get a probably a C minus for our recording regularity. But yeah it's more than enough. That's it's okay. Maybe you know look we. We are We are still. We are still very interested in in in recording. These shows as in sharing them. I think our our schedules have been particularly challenging. I can guarantee you. There will be reaction to this. Cyber truck show. There will definitely V. Two shows in November. There's there's no doubt about that. Yes that is for sure so you can the combination of something called the cyber truck and the Thanksgiving break. We'll we'll make for a fertile podcasting season. It's going to be quite good all right. Mike where can people share their thoughts and their opinions about this quarter. Yes yes oh on Reddit r slash Tesla show Are Most active on twitter. Are Screen name or call sign if you will is at the Tesla show and we also have a website on the World Wide Web at W. W. W. Dot the Tesla show dot com. And I believe that's the entirety of it. That's it and I'll talk to you later. All right later Mike By.

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The Legend of Tarrare, the Insatiable Glutton Who Ate a Quarter of a Cow Daily

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The Legend of Tarrare, the Insatiable Glutton Who Ate a Quarter of a Cow Daily

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So that's a that's a recipe for gluttony. There your soul. That is who I am. Yeah yeah thank you for reminding and the listeners. That would have been a real bone of contention if we move forward without saying each other's names in addition into a super producer. Casey PEGAM. That's right Casey. What's the European strike me as a particularly gluttonous dude. None of the the three of us are nine probably closest but do you recall ever Eating so much that you you felt like terrible about it. Oh Yeah Yeah I've I've I've been in those situations if you times nothing Not like competitive eating sort of just a practicing on my own you know Getting Getting Ready for the big day for what are they. Maybe a family holiday situation. Thank you but I have had that experience of paying for an extremely only expensive buffet and then feeling like I gotta get. My money's worth Did that recently in Vegas. Actually I knew it the old Vegas Buffet waited like probably close to two hours to get up to the line and only then did they tell us is like one hundred dollars a head or whatever. It's just like well we're GONNA be eating a lot of crab legs and you know trying to maximize value. Are you insane. I've seen people seen people get a ticket for Vegas Buffet and go in at eleven and then literally hanging out on the premises young enough after. Just use the bathroom and get hungry. That's pretty much what you gotta do but We made the best of it. Is there a prime rib station. No actually I was disappointed. There was not much in the way of steak But there were other kind of fancy seafood based things hundred dollars ahead I would expect rib. Yeah yes yes I was expecting like filet Mignon or something but You know they they did have enough. I don't know if we actually covered our our outlay for that but you know it was a good buffet anyway. Yeah it's it's weird. Because the way that Vegas buffets are priced. They are making a ton of money off most people because most people you're going to eat maybe a plate or two and then say well I WanNa go do the Vegas stuff right. I want to see a show. Go to a casino or drive to the Hoover Dam I I've been fascinated by competitive eating for a long time as a as a participant. Not so much as an observer lovett. Kobayashi He Sonya the black widow Thomas any number of people. What one thing? That's interesting about eating. What makes us full is? There's a thing called the I think it's called the CD response to this does have something to do with like. You've got a trick your body into not telling your brain that it's full and that's a big principle of competitive eating right. Yeah the That's why some so much of it is time so years ago on a youtube show. I was doing that. I will I think thank you've seen it Casey but I'm not gonNA share it with anyone. I did an experiment with the safety complex. Essentially means it takes your stomach about seventeen to twenty three minutes to tell your brain. It's full so you can eat like a god or demon or a just a swirling vortex or black hole For for up to that amount of time often before your body goes whoa buster Some of this is going backout right. And that's the thing you know you think about Greek Bacchanalian Feasts the Vom Toria GMS and all of that stuff is that is that real I mean. Is that actually really something that you can do to continue indulging people have done it but that is not healthy for you you know. That's that's not. There's a the reason we haven't evolved to eat that way because ultimately it can It can damage your system. You know Food can be a tough thing it's it's strange because the more we learn about science the more we're learning about things we usually just took for granted or even in some cases treated like like. I know there's going to be a controversial word for some of US treated like a freak show territory and that's where that's where we get to today's story. Yeah it's true. Today's story is about a gentleman by the name of Casey helpless with the surly. I think minimum do my level best Takao da Da. You Got Casey on the case. Excuse me on the case. Indeed which is apparently It's thought to be a nickname that came from a very popular French phrase which I adore Bombonera homeboy ta which means sort of like boom goes the dynamite I think that's literally what it means. used to describe fireworks or explosives And this this gentleman who we only know by two was born in seventeen seventy two in Leon and by the time he was seventeen despites bites Reportedly being able to consume a quarter cows worth of beef in a single day the only way to one hundred pounds we send. It's always fascinated me about the world of competitive eating often those The folks that Excel at at the best are pretty slim yet. It's true There was a rumor for longtime that Karaoke. Kobayashi one of the One of the very slender competitive eating champions was actually somehow mutated and that his stomach could expand beneath his ribcage. Okay so for more storage space. I was never confirmed as far as I know but if you think about it. The bigger dudes are also their stomach has less room to expand because there's more muscle and stuff around this race yeah and But the thing about Ta is he he he would be on well beyond just consuming Beef in copious amounts He had a pension for eating. Just about anything And and we'll get to in a second but this is actually a condition a very rare condition known as polly Faiza Which is characterized by UNCF insatiable hunger uncontrollable eating And also Again as pointed to by his slender build a very very high metabolism So he parlayed this into a career. I was traveling freak show. Yeah he had a rough life he was kicked out of home has a teenager. And according to a couple of reports he traveled around France became a bit of a vagabond and at first he was traveling with bandits and sex workers and then later he became a sort of a warm up. Act to another travelling show where he would just he would swallow stuff stuff. He was like that kid. You hear about in Preschool Elementary School. Who's eating you know? Glue or something for a dollar or whatever whatever the going rate for glue leading is now I. I don't know let us know. What was it back in your glue eating days? Ben I never even know what about you. What was it in your day? I'm more sniffed glue but I'd never people people pay for that No no they don't but it was a passion project. I'm kidding. I didn't do that but I only ask you about the eating. Glue thing because you came clean on this year very show. Go about your goldfish eating day. So maybe you had other experimental eating periods of Pauly D.. Yeah no no not that much but I even in in my wild days I had nothing on nothing on tyrod. Oh Gosh no none. Few view would or could or absolutely should yeah he He would when he was doing the traveling show as he's evolving towards this You know it's kind of freak. Show thing mentioned earlier. He would eat. corks stones. Live animals One time eight a whole basket of apples which I think whether or not that's impressive depends on the size of the basket. Doesn't it because there could be a There'd be a tiny basket. There could be a gigantic like Bushel. Load basket did he eat the basket as well as the apples is my question right. I think I think in that case. He just ate the apples. But what a big finish the basket. He also was Physically he was he had some unique characteristics right like his slips are described in messy sheet dot com. This great title This article with his title. Whatever you do? Don't tell the French about tyrod. These that he almo- he had like almost nonexistent lips and he had a really wide. Kind of frog-like mouth. This I had a hard time believing his mouth. South could hold twelve exit. Once are the chicken eggs again. It's like the basket. Is it a quail egg. I can believe that. Yeah I mean I can only assume that they mean A quail eggs but he also had another particularly stomach turning feature That's a pun. Almost preparing airing listeners is pretty gross. his you use the word deflated. BEN DEFLATED STOMACH SACK Hung loose in such a fashion ocean that he could actually wrap it around his body like a bell south. Yeah picture that for minute so you know how we we're talking about this air. Probably the closest analogue geico draws if someone has been exercising or for one reason or another they lose. They're they're very big person. They lose a lot of weight very quickly. Your skin is just another Oregon right and so it can still hang down or deflate because there's it's There's less stuff under it than there used to be and for Terrar- from what what we can tell it seems like he had been routinely eating so much stuff to such an extreme that his stomach the flesh over his stomach had kind of naturally over time grown or expanded so that like like you said no when he's not eating. It's it's kind of like an empty tack. Yup Yeah In an extreme Pala phase. Yeh is super super. We're almost to the point. Where is isn't it kind of almost like looked on with a little bit of suspicion like is it really is really a real thing for some time it had been considered anecdotal Yep but there's there's some science we can get into Maybe toward the end because science does have an answer. And we have to tell you the story about today. Because it's story spoiler alert that you may be able to see in the modern world as insane as sounds sounds sure sure So we'll definitely get to that that science but it is characterized the concept of someone Just not being able to control their appetite at all and the extra kind of disturbing feature is that it typically involves eating non food items. Yeah it's it's similar but it's not like Pika or Pica it's called you know when people eat clay which is the thing that happened here in the American south because because it's unrelenting it's an insatiable hunger it's it's kind of like a real life version of the myth of Tantalus Tantalus was up to his Chin in in delicious liquids then he's got grape so close to his face and every time he tries to grab a grape or fruit or whatever and every time he tries to take a sip it vanishes? It's if feels like it goes beyond a medical condition to some sort of biblical curse really. You'll eat never be full. And that's exactly not the case In a in a big bone of contention within his household when he was a kid his parents had become so frustrated with their inability to satiate him and it was honestly a financial burden He would cry and cry and cry even when he had just completed a massive meal they finally kicked him out of his house and that is when he he kind of began that Life sort of a nomad a traveler and leaked up with Everyone from Sex Workers to the thieves chiefs that you mentioned. And then eventually found his way into sort of the carnival. Lifestyle am where he was. He was taking in and welcomed He became a street performer in Paris. On the Pont Neuf in that that was a a an area that was considered so Disreputable concede that even known Philanderer Benjamin Franklin Founded too sketchy to to walk across it as a bridge in Paris. Yeah Yeah exactly. And this is not a super correct term nowadays but what he was doing. His Act was pretty much it. It was as a predecessor to the famous circus. Geek acts of yesteryear. Wouldn't someone would eat a live chicken but he didn't just live chickens and we have firsthand accounts of Tarantulas Act. Here's a quote and I warn you. This is not Not Super appetizing. Ising he sees the live cat with these teeth. Eventuated that's the word for disemboweled. Eventuated it sucked its blood and aided needed leaving the bare skeleton only also dogs in the same manner on one occasion it was said that he swallowed a living ill without chewing it. That's disgusting Yeah is that part of the show or that's just didn't his own private alone time so this is part of the show. She's always that's why whenever you see a street show and someone says who has a pet in the audience make for the hill definitely. Don't don't offer up your your little your sheet Su That is really disturbing and looks absolutely barbaric. I can't believe people were into this I I would think that would have caused people to just you know. Turn in disgust. But I guess People's appetites pretty disgusting back in those days in that a different less sanitized idea of entertainment. This episode of Ridiculous History History is brought to you by office. Depot Office depot has supplies and services for businesses of any size. I speak to this personally as is a college student when I was a business. The size of one Office Depot provides twenty four seven tech. Support it lets. You print your own marketing marketing materials and can help you design your office with a bunch of furniture solutions. They also have exactly the supplies. Your office needs from Your Home Office to a commercial setup. They've got the ink. They've got the paper they've got the cleaning. They've got the break room supplies. 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I was something that was reported as early as when he was seventeen and would sneak into town to eat the cow's feed And he you know again at that slender bill but always was followed around by this putrid stench. So here is that quote from the London Medical and physical journal from Eighteen Nineteen Quote tremendous get through. This two hour was is constantly covered in sweat and from his body of vapor arose sensible to the site and more so the smells away like stink line bed. Yeah wow okay and more so to the smell. He had a wispy blonde hair and a large mouth surrounded founded by slender lips and discolored teeth. He frequently BURP and farted and had constant particularly odorous odorous Ben. Why would you do this to me? Owners bowel movements. I had year round about the cat. I can't I can't tell which one's worse. I think you're right Ben. I think maybe the cat was worse. So basically we get some facts burps and farts just real quick or maybe it is one of those like the ship. Sounds like from Renan's tempe when smelly looking close ups. Okay high pressure Farda exactly exactly okay odors bowel movements That was my favorite member of the Band Gore Which one would expect from someone whose diet it consisted of massive amounts of both food and non food items? I first of all I wanNA know what one would would expect from from the the smell of someone who ate nonfood items depends on the food items swallowing rocks. Probably pebbles the probably just pass through and maybe not not make a big deal. But if it's organic nonfood items I would imagine at some point. It also interacts with your Your microbial your in your gut. Flora so you can get some pretty disgusting stuff would have been set to be a street for perform you know and and keep in mind There is a history in France of very successful performance. Doing things that might be disgusting to us. It's like professional fighters Flach list Was that guy's name the pet Doma Obama so this is like this is not an unusual thing thing in the history of performance of France and could Ta- data have made a living doing this. Yes probably but something intervened eight as as you said. He was born in. What seventeen seventy two in seventeen eighty nine? France was wracked by the French Revolution. And so bad joining the French military. He didn't fight. He helped people out with day to day tasks and then when he would help them they would give them their rations and he would eat them and eventually he ended up in the military hospital because no matter what he he was still hungry and the physicians wanted to see how far they could go so they quadrupled his rations. He ate those he was still hungry. He also eat gauze that was intended to patch up soldiers in the Any live animals. He could find and then one time true story. They've found him in a gutter during time at the hospital shoving fistfuls of literal garbage into his mouth. One also no. I don't think we hit this yet. A we have multiple accounts of people saying yet other than eating in the disgusting smell. He was normal dude but he's also super apathetic lake. You didn't seem very present a lot of times. Whatever rallied and And I think that I I'm building a case toward What I think may have been a lower mental function like? I think maybe he wasn't don't Wasn't a full set of crayons. Oh No I don't think so either. I mean definitely seem to go hand in hand and it's also part of the reason why I I questioned the veracity of this quote unquote condition. I it seems like it was largely a mental condition. Another that makes anything any less real. I mean psychological conditions are absolutely all consuming for people and they can really cause huge problems and people's quality of life in the way they interact with others but I don't know that there's necessarily a physical or physiological the thing that caused him to To feel this way other than maybe something that was going on psychologically reminds me of a condition that depicted in the show better call Saul Were Saul Goodman's brother. Has this allergy to electricity But that's largely considered by the medical community to not be a real thing the the M. F. sensitivity so you're right in the military. He was super problematic But he also they were some creative uses for him right there. There were attempts. There were attempts to make him a useful. So the weird thing is he also wasn't gaining weight by the way still weighed I think you mentioned earlier. A hundred pounds macaroni seventeen. He still had that ballpark. Wait any look. He was exhibiting signs undernourishment as a matter of fact so they thoughts all right. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA try to make this guy useful because he has something. It's not perfect but he he has Got Potential. He's got an unusual set of skills. Right that's right. I mean might as well figure out how to make some use out of the guy getting around the smelly dude. Let's figure out how to take his His gift let's say and then put it to good militaristic use Yup and this is when I'm GonNa Muddle through this case you hope we're still friends at the end. This is when General Alexandra Day Boo Hanalei said. You know what no man left behind. We can give this kid something to do. France is now at war with Prussia. Antennas we're digestive condition makes him the perfect spy so he says all right. I'm putting some documents inside this wooden box. That you're hungry right. Go ahead and eat this and it will just wait for it to pass through your body. And then we'll have you know whichever soldiers in the most trouble that day go through his stool and then fish the box out to see if you can still read the message. This experiment spearmint worked and so Naro has given his first mission as a spy. Yes indeed was a noble experiments I suppose you could say One that ultimately be repeated but he was disguised as a Prussian peasants and asked to sneak by enemy lines to deliver liver a top secret message to a captured colonel. A French colonel The message was to be enclosed in a box folks that was then Swallowed whole by till Ow But unfortunately he didn't really make it to his destination because of the aforementioned putrid smell did not lend itself to covert ops. Did it Ben. Yeah that's correct It's a good point if you are spy don't WanNa have a unique sort of The olfactory tone. Let's call it. I'm searching for diplomatic ways to these words stink. Yeah so they find him he is strip search. They whipped him. They torture for Most of a day and and then eventually he says okay. Here take a secret message. You know I'm sneaking it in my in my gut and then people are GonNa find it in my poop. It's about the war war so the PRUSSIANS literally chain him to toilet and they just wait for hours and hours and he's still stinks by either way. Of course he does and Terrar- is of course starving. He has to wait until he has a bowel movement. Eventually he does void The wooden case and he tries this is okay. This is very gross. According to the London Journal after he couldn't hold it anymore and he passed the case he swallowed it again to try to keep the enemy from getting it. They finally do get the box out of him and all they they find inside is evidence that this is a test. Run the note in the little box just says hey let us know if this guy today delivered the Box Fox and it turns out the general. Still you know didn't really trust the guide or this process enough. He needed some Confirmed success in the field. Yeah okay good on him. Then because this whole thing sounded like a real Recipe for disaster. If you ask me and then sure enough it was. Can you imagine though like swallowing it back down. And the whole the whole scenario. It's just like oh it's like reservoir. Dogs Gone Awry or something hanging out like chain to the toilet. I mean I'm surprised. No one's made some kind of a sick version of this movie. Like a human centipede style. Or something you know this Mrs should exist. I don't know if I WANNA see it but I I would support its existence as a piece of schlock cinema. What do you think yeah? This is this is ripe for Some some Schlocky Goodness did you say ripe. Yeah Nice Yeah. That's the thing. The smell is a main character in this story. Maybe that's what's holding people back. It's just the film technology it could be as spiritual predecessor to the big rock movie that did saw this year. Her smell can be called his smell. Just thought maybe people feel like they got tricked though. Because I think you're right. Oh Man I was look it up so many different synonyms for smell stinks stench. That kind of stuff Just to get through this anyhow. I'm a big Fan of miasma myself which I guess is little bit refers to more of like a big picture. Smell something they lap you know. mm proliferates a bit farther. But I can't categorize what he has asthma so that you could actually see the thing. Yeah also had a MEAZZA was for. It's high a medical explanation for the spread of disease is right which is very believable. He talked about that in the episode about the Great. Stink of London It's okay so stinking you know. Of course there's feted ooh somebody's smells fitted right. That's bad there's also of course Spoiled old they're spoiling And I was trying to find a particular word for that stench that sulfur stench of rotten eggs because no one talk Mike. Laura Yeah I didn't find one. Oh and there's also funk wreak fussiness malodorous nece odiferous crispness which is kind of fun and rent city. It's rough but anyhow these are all just different words to describe what was happening. The PRUSSIAN general by by the way is severely p. O'd tha that. And he says hang the guy hang him immediately. I can't believe I let that guy go. What was I? Think in a poop spy but once he had calmed down. He said you know I feel bad because I see this guy obviously against starving his whole life and he is openly sobbing. Bob In his blubbering at the gallows and so he takes pity on Terai and he says okay you guys just give him a very very thorough era spanking essentially and go back to the French lines so he returned and he was just doing the thing he did earlier. He's just like you know running coffee for people. Yeah the Prussians Russians Essentially just dumped him back Near that military hospital behind French lines And he you know made his case to his superiors. which would have been too difficult to make that? He she was not cut out for the spies life and He should not be asked to do anymore. Secret missions. I just wanted to be a regular smelly foot soldier right exactly. And he had kind of a patron on the guy named Baron Percy at the hospital hospital in Percy tried to satiate that he gave him a different treatments that were meant to assuage his appetite and none. None of them were successful. I think They try tobacco pills. VIN straight up vinegar wine vinegar and Laudanum and the thing about the laudanum is believed. Opiates do actually cause constipation. Maybe that's where he was going. And maybe or you know. I can't imagine and that it would've been particularly comfortable to have all this weird crap floating around in your guts all of the long term damage which will find out. It was the case that it would have done to his insides I imagined that the Toronto must have been considerable pain a lot of time. But you don't really see that in the reports but maybe that was where he was coming from as well with giving him a little something to eat it. Yeah and this takes a morbid turn. We were having fun in a gross way in the beginning of the episode but not only did these treatments not work as condition appeared to accelerate. There was no food that was enough. He had gone past eating trash during during one episode. He was actually caught drinking blood that had been drawn from other patients in the hospital. And even knocking on some bodies in the morgue. I mean yes if this point it's just becoming sad and really really really disturbing. He's almost kind of taking on this kind. And of Ghulam light quality where he is just becoming more and more inhuman and that is when the disappearance of a fourteen month old baby began mm to generate rumors that terrar- had had somehow gotten a hold of the baby and and actually eaten it I I mean you can't make this stuff up man it's Lou that was that was that was at the very hospital that he was admitted to. That's right and at this point it's finally too much for bearing Percy. You see today has in. His mind crossed a line. Even if the historically we can't one hundred percent confirm this story of the fourteen month old baby disappearing. Everybody believed it in the hospital right. And you can see why it's not like they just came up with a cockamamie conspiracy theory during this episode of ridiculous history is brought to you by office. Depot Office depot has supplies and services for or businesses of any size. I speak to this personally as a college student when I was a business. The size of one Office depot provides it's twenty four seven tech support. It lets you print your own marketing materials and it can help you design your office with a bunch of furniture solutions. They also have exactly the supplies. Your office needs from Your Home Office to a commercial setup. They've got the ink. If got the paper. They've got the cleaning. They've got the break room supplies. So when I was setting up my Home Office I went straight to office depot because I had a ton of stuff I needed to get and I wanted to get it all in one place but don't take my word for it see for yourself. Office depot is ready to help your business with knowledgeable associates in over one thousand three hundred stores or online at Office Depot Dot Com. So Baron Percy Kicks Toronto out the same way that his parents kicked him out was when he was a teenager and he has to fend for himself from then on he falls off. The radar is off the grid for like four years ears. And then one day baron Percy hears from him again he terada has turned up at an in a hospital for cy. Yeah and he was at this hospital because he was in fact act. dying This is something that I would thought would have happened much sooner. Considering you know all the crazy stuff he put in his body and that he put his his is Says digestive tract through. I can't imagine that he was healthy. at all and Baron Percy who's bearing personally to him in the first place Ben. Skin good his his patron his benefactor. The hospital so he he was with him at this point and he died ultimately ultimately Surrounded of tuberculosis in seventeen ninety eight at the young age of Twenty Six And this says the probably one of the most nauseating parts of the story but They you know he was absolutely a fascination and something that medical science Hans could potentially learn something from so- An and of course just just autopsy is something that happens anyway but he was Cut Open and there are some descriptions corruptions of his autopsy. That are Really Really Graphic and just you know they really paint a picture of what was going on inside inside this man's body so I guess this one falls to me split it or that's the setup Let's see how long it goes All right there's too so I'll do the second one. Let's go back okay. That's that's equity and this is all that's interesting dot com these accounts but this is official very real Accounts counts of what this autopsy was like. The trails were putrified confounded together and immersed in pus. The liver was excessively large large void of consistence and INA pewtrusts state. The gall bladder was of considerable magnitude the stomach in lax state and having ulcerated patches dispersed about it covered almost the whole of the abdominal region. his stomach they found was so oh massive that it very nearly filled his entire abdominal cavity his gullet likewise was unusually wide and his jaw could stretch so so wide open that as the reports put it. A cylinder of a foot in circumference could be introduced without touching his Pallet Hallett. That's insane and they don't complete this autopsy spoiler alert eventually the smell of Of the corpses too much and they have to stop. They have to throw in the towel but at this point they do learn something they do have a takeaway and they say well. He wasn't making this up every every weird thing he ate everything he did was a result of this genuine constant need to eat. He had been born with a strange body and as they say all. It's interesting dot com. He had been curse to a life of eternal hunger and let's bracket bracket this real quick for the science right because you said we're going to follow up on that now as you said he had polly facial of some sort so it turns out. It's quite possible. Bolt that tyrod had something called Prater Willy's syndrome. Have you heard of this. Did we talk about this. No I don't think so it's it's a genetic disorder wherein some specific genes lose their function and it results in a couple of things so we can build a case for Prater Willy really because people flick with this constantly hungry they have mild intellectual impairments they will eat tons and tons of stuff. But here's the thing people with Prater Willy's syndrome tend to grow larger. They become obese and that never happened to terrar- he was he. He was kind of a stick the whole time except he was eating in his stomach. Inflated Right Right I mean and then just snapped back into like a weird gelatinous kind of hanging Satchel of skin who. It's a shame. It's a shame the whole thing's a shame. I mean look. There is some medical research behind this condition. I didn't mean to to pooh-pooh entirely. I think there's some controversy behind it but a guide named Cindy mcelroy. Roy of WHO's a doctor based in Huntington West. Virginia's said that there could be more of an underlying condition That is pretty common. Actually an extreme version called hyperthyroidism which increases metabolism and causes diarrhea sweating and thin hair. I actually have hypo. Oh thyroid ISM. which is an underactive thyroid? This would be an overactive thyroid. That would cause your metabolism to balloon out of control In and not that does kind of make sense So I wonder if that's had something to do with it Dr mcelroy seems to think so And it would cause a lot of what TERRAR- suffered from symptoms like diarrhoea. Sweating and thin hair. But he wouldn't eat. Live animals people with high hyperthyroidism automatic automatic snack. Do CASTEX. They do not they do. Not and that's why I tend to think that there are some combination of a of a mental illness. And a some kind of undiagnosed undiagnosed ball at the time Physical ailment that sort of perfectly center is into this bizarre and Beran condition you know and people have studied this guy. Medical Historians have contributed quite a bit of literature to him. Yon Bonds in one of these medical. The story ends works to the University of Cardiff Wales and Dr Bonuses. We will likely never see anything like TATA again. Part of it is because medicine has improved so much over the centuries And you know the hope is that if someone with this condition or with this set that have problems emerged. They would be diagnosed and treated appropriately right instead of being pressed into being some sort of poops by a phrase. He's that will haunt me now as it should been should haunt us all so so this is the story of Tata and the next time that you are hungry or the next time that you are You've eaten too much. Maybe in your satiated like our good friend and possible. Prime Minister Super Producer. Casey peg room look around the buffet. And thank your lucky stars that you are one of the people with the ability toget- full and hey terrar- actually lives on in our popular Culture Zeitgeist He was a pretty popular. Subject of memes Last last year around August of Twenty nineteen. There's a piece in a New York magazine called the hot. New meme is tele- exciting. A Tumbler That featured a quite a few memes referencing terrar- and his supposed- consumption of a fourteen eighteen months old French baby. So if you want to check that out you can go to N. Y. MAG dot com slash intelligencer slash. Two thousand nineteen slash eight slash. Turn Out Dash Means Dash. Tumbler Dash Squidward DOT html. I just wanted to read a really long obnoxious url. So I I do want to point out this as well And we'll we'll need to bleep this so use your imagination. Someone posted on Tumbler. I know terrar- is the joke broke of the hour. But it's so incredibly messed up. How even now? No one has any concrete explanation for what his condition was. And a case like that has not been recorded sense events like literally what he's like a really excellent which is Kinda true you know and One of them is From a an account by the name of a Johnny Joe's terrible table And it the caption reads when you're a fourteen month old French infant in a military hospital in the late eighteenth century and that weird hungry guy comes into your room and it's a picture of squidward from spongebob sitting up in bed with his eyes wide. Boom boom dot indeed her absolutely absolutely So I think that's that's a good place to leave it and the presence. Yes in the present and right around lunchtime. 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Aniston The Influencer

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Aniston The Influencer

"These days everything is go. Go go but every now and then it's important to stop and chill with a one. Beer may to chill cores. Light course light is cold luggard. Cold filtered and cold packaged in the mountains. Encores lights cold activated bottles and cans. Turn blue when chilled to perfection. So when you need a moment to chill reach for the beer that's made to chill or have it delivered by going to get dot cores. Light dot com course brewing company golden colorado encourages you to celebrate responsibly. Hey everybody it's been higgins. And ashley i and where. The host of the almost seem as podcast. I was the bachelor in know firsthand. How dating twenty five people at one time is not easy and i was on the shell a time or two or four but i met my husband so i'm proof at the process works we do interviews with the cast members creating the headlines and we know pretty much everyone so we're reliable source. Listen to almost famous on the iheartradio app on apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts scandal woah hiba nine share on your host rob shooter. It is monday. We have a ton of gossiping. Every monday afrin vogel is joining us from zero hundred alvis to rancher darah there rob shooter. I love a good week of gaza. The start of the week like mid we gossip. It's okay you know. But it's like this is brain new. We've had saturday. We've even had friday night with had saturday and sunday and a little bit of early monday morning. So we have chock full of stuff we today. It's the beginning of the week. Anything is possible particularly in the world of celebrity dish. Hey what time is it. My friend turkey turkey teatime. I'll take that. of course it is. Hey before we jump into all the delicious gossip did you watch the. Ama's last night. I know you go to bed early early. But did you think what was your highlight. Here's my thing. I you know we're used to award shows and i wanted to go a little different at the beginning of an award show but you normally upbeat song. You want that like kickoff to give it a bazaars give me some za`z i get a big edge justin bieber. He's he's very popular right now. He's got a lot of music out but you cannot kick off a show on a on a on a slow song. I don't know about you felt about -solutely writes about this. I've worked on. Tv for a long time and they want upbeat. In fact twin artists go on the today show or good morning america. You can't sing the ballard. You've got to sing the upbeat song because it tunes does that at seven am. Can you imagine at seven pm. It was a little strange way to start the shotgun. A little reporting on what you think about this sources. Tell me they really wanted just into come out in a least to a couple of ours and ninety eight bars of an upbeat song. He's got a lot of great anthems hit him on to do that. He wanted to do the new songs. So that this dilemma to they have a song. That's a great song. Don't get me wrong here. I love this song. It just probably wasn't an opening song but do they have the wrong song but the right guy. He's a superstar. He's a big deal. They do television for ratings. They think people get a tune in. Do you think they made the wrong choice. I think the gambled in the senate hoping like. Hey let's get him you know and let's see what we could do to try to work on him to to kind of give some upbeat and hopefully it happens. And you know there's producers that are probably up into the minute like hey we're still working on guys. We're still working on them. Don't worry we'll get this will be the perfect kickoff and then the show happens so i wouldn't be surprised if someone has some answering to do today to production and the ratings people at abc. But you know it's an my other thing is i. I ll justin bieber's very talented. And i get where he's at in his career right now but this is the next like he has two songs out right now all about like. Hey don't don't get mad at mean. That was a pain in the butt. When i was fifteen. I'm grown up. Now i get it man like. That's what one song is. Don't give me to. Don't give me on a sunday night when i'm ready to have some fun like give me something upbeat and then give me that song in the middle of the show right. Let's get into this actually. It's really interesting because you're not the only one to say this. Several of my tv insiders have said to me as well. This is just a wrong song. The song about being lonely an worries you particularly in this day and age with everything happening in the world. It's really really a rough time. I don't know if. I wanna feel sorry for a teenage. Maybe a little older now multimillion ask so. I don't know i've always. I've always had a bad reaction to celebrities telling me how tough their lives are. And i know they are rumors ahead not putting them down. But it's a really tricky thing. We're not got to feel sorry for them. Living in a mansion and driving ferraris and i'm struggling to pay my rent so you gotta i got. I got a cotton swab up. My nose deceive cova. The last thing i wanted to do that is sit down and go. Oh justin he'll be lonely little boy. My grimaldis thanksgiving. Because of this. And i'm gonna cry for justin bieber. I know that is something about it. Also talk about it jaylo flawless. Just long looks whoa. Whoa whoa whoa like she. She like she is going like i could see her doing like what What dolly parton wants to do right now of do the cover of playboy at the age of seventy five. I think jaylo could do the same thing when jaylo is hundred. Fires all looks incredible. I also enjoyed to talking about energy squad after you've got all day. I'm doing them right. Now that i used to work for jennifer. So i say she does work hard. I went to the gym with her once. I know we got into her fabulous. Roy phantom i think it was and we went to the jib the car. That's the car. She's just go to the gym. She worked at like a maniac. Though she'd i barely broke sweat. Like i was on a treadmill. I might have had a slight incline. But i certainly didn't have. It goes all act when you're with Working with jennifer lopez was that when the infamous like. I'm getting my button. Shored like stage of her career. Don't know he was that was. Ben affleck dimas benefit. But i do remember those rooms thin. Not always true when you hear a multi-million dollar contract for their legs so arms or their bottom. It's what we call silly. Press did is the king of silly press change in the name. Get attention not doing any harm. Not telling necessarily laura with certainly world rushing things up to make it exciting. And i think really does make the world a little bit more gossipy also too. I wanted to get your thoughts. On terrar- i loved what i thought coming out and johnson were so glad but she's not a singer she's not a stand up comedian. There's nobody in the rooms if you're gonna tell jokes it's a beat. I mean it was more upbeat than lonely s. She was the beginning of the show. It was when she got out and started to shake her. Bits and bobs. I think that was the beginning of the show. Let's begin our show my friend because we've got some juicy dish so clare crawley from the bachelorette and dale responding to the cheating rumors. There was some photographs out of him with some other models some female models. They did look a little flirty sources. Say not much is going on there. They all work together their friends but they were beautiful women and they were a little tichy feely. They did get drinks but one of the women is married. The other one has boyfriends. So don't worry so rather than we spun to then by putting out a press statement going on instagram. They decided to just ignore them. What do you think about that. Do you ignore these rumors. You fight back that were the more you feed it. The gets i think right the more. You're responded there's two ways of going about it the way you know eminem did it in his movie eight mile about his life where you get all the the bad stuff you say like. Here's what happened blah blah blah. Now you have nothing left to sing or you do that. And then they go they have. There's follow up questions. There's always a follow up question so even if you put out a statement it's gonna follow you around like hey this but what was this really about. So it's like you can't win. I guess the easiest way not talk about and move on and because you know someone else will do something in a matter of ten ten minutes later and you'll be forgotten about if that if it was me i'd agree but aren't these two now tabloid stars like aren't they don't famous for their acting singing dancing to russia. The famous relief of being a little bit famous. I mean really. Let's be honest about this. I liked both down. You're on the street level there on the reality show sea level right now You know if it will dish shows their character to do. They want to stay in the press. You know. we're talking about two people that went on a reality show for three weeks and then quit Pretty much So it's like maybe these are the people that don't want that reality. Show attention you know. Think about it so if they ended up winning. I'm sure we would be hearing about this for the next month. But since it was like okay hate. We're actually in love. Were getting outta here later. And we'll see at but we'll see at the wedding. Maybe you might be right so this brings us to uphold kushner the day crowley dale ross are ignoring the cheating rumors should they. Should they say something to twitter. Page at not nicer. Facebook page is not gossip. And be sure to check back tomorrow to hear your results garrett love what are you working on all right. Let's move on Alligator becca now. We lost him just about almost two weeks ago. It seemed you know. It's it's it's odd rob shooter when you know someone has passed on but the work that they have done is still around like i've i've watched jeopardy now more than i probably ever be. What and watching him host the show. It's like he's still there. You know he could probably still be there forever and ever on tv. But it's like this is not weird or creepy. It's not. I don't know the right word but it's interesting to see that like hey. He's giving us new content ronnie's and he's not here. So here's here's what we've learned. We've learned that he's going to be cremated and he'll be spending. His ashes will remain in his home with his wife and You know he died. of of stage four pancreatic cancer which he even spoke about last week to on jeopardy. Which was it was. It was just interesting. How it all just sinked up like that You know he he. He left behind two children and they said according according to Some close friends that he spent his final day with his wife. Watching the sunset mean exactly like you. The best way with your best friend. And i couldn't think of another way we'll garrett you'll be with your wife in the sunset and i'll be behind the bush saying hello. The last bit of gossip guarantees. I'm not really beautiful. He was very partly handy with his hands. So we built a swing denise gardenias beautiful beautiful piece of land and he was on the swing with his wife and Then went to bed and went to sleep. It's a beautiful way to go. But what do you think about. Ashes like It does sound a little strange at the ashes are with the wife. I'm not judging this. You do what you want jane. It's none of my business. I have the ashes ashes of one of my dogs in my apartment very different. I do know quite your game and a haven't yet been able to to scatter them to think about that. Have you thought about yourself. I know it's a little bit creepy a little bit morbid. But i think i would like to be. I always say throw throwing in the face of andy cohen. But that's not exactly true. I think i'd like my ashes to go. Maybe in the hudson river. I can see the hudson river from my apartment and it gives me great pleasure and joy and tranquility sanctuary during i mean. Do you know what floating help me be worse when simon. It's where do you. Where do you want to go because i'm gonna make a note you know i really don't know it's it's one of those things that you know as you get older. Obviously you think about. But i don't know like you hear people wanna be scattered through you know disneyworld and in my thought i get you know the presence in the idea of you being there but i mean they. They cleaned disneyworld pretty good you. I don't wanna be sucked up in a vacuum. You know by the cleaning crew that are you coming by and picking up the dirt. I don't know i. I'm from scotland to. I met bruce in scotland in edinburgh. And maybe the two of us might go back there and be thrilling on them. The state of bel moral if the queen will let us on a some nice estate where we don't have to worry about vacuum cleaners. Thank you gathered. Okay true true. It is true. You budget jennifer. Aniston is now an instagram influence. So why is she doing this. Agendas become the global amazonia. Vital proteans she posted in all these these instagram pictures of her and the vitamins jen. I do like that. You promoting something really healthy and good and is about wellness. And and i do like this. Why are you doing this. Do you have enough money. I'm getting to these instagram influences. Get on my nerves. A little bit of icy one more fun fab fit. Flyleaf rally box. What that mean say and then the person always line. When i'm not doing it for the money i support. The brand of the field always enjoyed the products for years. And now the throw me a lot of cash but it's not the money it's because i don't buy an choice me now. I have to say no one's ever asked me to endorse anything and mathu might change very quickly in this episode will be deleted very quickly within fun box. But i did do. You didn't do something with you float. Oh my god awful. I got paid. I think was a thousand dollars to promote k y. Jelly floats queuing gay pride. My mother thought it was a mayonnaise. And i didn't tell any difference but you are right. Have you ever promoted anything. Like that of of course. I'm a shameless whore plugged. Did you know the christmas chronicles to did you. Did you watch it. I watched the first one with my my kids. Then you won't believe comes out on wednesday right before. The holidays officially kickoff. Christmas but yet that was the last thing can seem from it. Give me coming. Succinctly put enough to buy a cheeseburger enough to buy get dinner so one hundred dollars going to the store and get some k y thinking. I am really did. That actually wasn't necessarily for the name. It was never been to gay pride. Don't tell gay people or get my taken away a pretty high up there. They should take pride and said to ghodse. Gay pride on afloat and be paid a little bit of money for my friend. Karen came and it was a boiling caught. Danger brought in some witch. I it was. I had to kick off the flow undecided. Kyi today get off the float. It's awful what's happening with candace. Cameron number j tanner there. We go So remember a few months ago. Her husband They posted a nice picture and her husband had his arm draped over her shoulder and then gave her little boob squeezed grabby. However you want to say and then of course the backlash how dot com a. He is doing something so bad. And how do you let your husband do that and so candidates recently just said hey. Listen here's here's the deal. We just celebrated our newly engaged on a level. We're we're in a great mood or took a ton of pictures than the last picture. My husband grabbed my boob. And i said oh my gosh this is so funny and then she said hey. Do you mind if i post this because this is funny thinking that it was just innocent. Fun then apparently The backlash came of all those very conservative. People saying you shouldn't do this and candice recently. Just had listen sex dozen. Stop once you're married you know it might not not again. Maybe not for you. Not for everybody not speaking generalization. But just for her. In general she says You know it's and it goes back to her being each shoe tied back to religion She said you know christian way to pretend like you never had sex. I have those friends that were like. Oh yeah my parents never had like. What how how did you think about it. I don't want you to think about it. But i'm very prudish about sex. I can talk about pretty much anything. I don't like talking about sex. But i do like this story. And she even asked if she could post it so it wasn't an accident. She knew what she was doing a little bit of fun in your relationship. It doesn't matter how long you've been together or not is just lovely. They clearly love each other. And that's the most important thing a little bit of sadness before we go to break. Prince william and kate middleton's dog lupo has died. He was a beautiful black english. Cocker spaniel owned him for just nine years. It's not long enough. He passed away. They got his dog just after they got married. So it's been with them really their entire married life. They wrote much they missing and how much they love. There is nothing worse than losing a puppy. We're sent ks. Yes can i ask you really quick before we move on from that. Is there any type of like protocol. you know when it's interesting. There's nothing formal but since the time of queen victoria that is a little royal pet cemetery in sangram which is one of their country estates. So there's a little graveyard and queen. Elizabeth has put many of her corgis there. So i think i was called susan. What a cool name for for royal dog sousa and so susan's buried in grounds. And i wonder if william and kate will start their own little cemetery remember their home is kensington palace wentz. He's the king bell moving to buckingham palace but I know it just breaks my heart. We're going to take quick quick break and we will be welcome to the show you for having appreciate it so much experiences at hp. I want to him university. I got my degree from the university in business management marketing. I was the first person a mafia minnesota college and graduate so my parents told me i was born to. Hbo you are really didn't have a choice. Some went and visited all those campuses. In when i when when i went to hanson's camp but there was nothing like hampton's campus so i was like it's beautiful. What would you say you learn the most banded. Hsbc the broadmoor. So a new yorkers always new york when i went to hampton and i had a roommate from jersey that i had a roommate from mississippi and then i had remained from philly. It puts you on to all that music now and bringing that back home is the now not just york egypt. I could spin anything. So what advice would you give a high school senior male or female about preparing in choosing either. Hp see you or a regular college say go see. Every college wants took. My daughter would from here to florida every college inbetween from abc. You regular college She concedes she can experience. You won't mind to go to family. She chooses bill if she does. Se it's atm cooed. Love in absolutely. Sometimes you find that. Like for example. Your daughter might you know is going to nyu. 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Help We're On Tour In Bristol

Help I Sexted My Boss

14:03 min | 1 year ago

Help We're On Tour In Bristol

"Jordan welcome to Clifton thank you. We've just ascertained a very key fact which twenty four hours and your bristow. visage Brazil's not in the Midland's it's in the South West. I don't make you sound like South Midland. We are currently on. Can I just say yes to get into Clifton. You have to pay one pound one pound every time you want to use the bridge. They charge you to use bridges in this part of the world when it keeps the riff raff out until they whoa. That's that's the Roman Catholic Cathedral. Oh that'll get cops brutalises uproot leash. Yes yeah okay so now explain more. Okay we're coming onto college wrote. Did you pay for the car. Yes I mean. Don't got it wrong. It is lovely round here. There's some beautiful townhouse so this this house straight ahead is the headmaster's house was dimensions was the headmaster muster as his own house. Yes wooster mentions if you become headmaster of the old school where my mother went to school here. We are the school Clifton High School because they accepted girls at the time. So there's a better view monstrosity. So if you are the headmaster of your school your house yes actually. Yes I mean. I could give you a bit of history into headmaster's house of Clifton college but it's really dull so I went. Oh my God. Is this your college coming up now yes. It looks like hogwash. Well some of the teachers were which is probably best. If we cross the road you would definitely have been his slithering malfoy. I did actually as a child Louis Freshman. I went swimming and my has slipped back. It was uncanny out I've seen pitched drake all. I'll give you that where we going cold. I don't want to be a companion code is at least twelve degrees hotter than it is in your parts of the world. I'll be honest with you. I did try an arrange a tour of our scope of my school our school. Sorry for snip but they work lettuce in. Oh my God it is massive. Live is a huge old building designed to hold the tears it was only built in eighteen. I should know this ninety something. We'll designs look at least one hundred years older than he's got really nice field. It's everything thing that you'd think A private school that light to be long hauls place it just screams privilege. I was very lucky. Go go on sunset tension. What were they they were? CCF Combined Cadet Force. Oh do they would. They were in the navy. We've got built. He's got some skills beyond those we hockey sticks around from if a girl at innocuous ticket me and she's GonNa boy he audu thickener playing hockey. Now you see those buildings that that's the sign of Torian the Wa Sanatorium the seven Torian the health center and you'll speak Yavuz the average sanatorium. Yeah well does not. Just look a bit weird. We're walking around to high school with microphones especially high school. We've long chain fences that wouldn't let in in well with that shown I'm offended. They won't let me have a basically they wouldn't let us have a look round Williams allowed to look around and time but they won't let me look around because I'm not an old boy. Oy which basically means that building with the green copper roof. That's the chapel morning assembly bringing to the chair and you see that big building there the triangular. That's the dining hall where I taught my very first class. How right okay did you enjoy school? Yes very much so. Some of the boarding houses are up that road eventually. He lives around the corner. Well why you literally twenty minutes away from here you woman daddy pause. It was a good good for it to get everyone needs to start you off el-Hage l.. Hey who commanded troops in Wilbur. One and can I just say there's nothing more middle class England outside a public school and the students are playing music. Report coming fucking into my new album. It's fucking marvellous. The American rapper. Talking keep going cannabis and and live in live in Los Angeles. It's quite fucking interesting. Come on I'll roll a joint. They can listen to it. Don't tell me I'll tell you. Bloody Mount just passing the sportscenter now. It's not really that familiar with bet. So we just we think sports afternoon so it's a Monday afternoon nervous. The whole peace polls gave away. School was up there. Can I just say okay. We weren't plus a teacher before during the register outside and it was exactly. I'm not even making any soap. Exactly how you imagine intuition peppy as poppy PIPPA as proprietors. Yes but cost areas. Yes but realtors. Yes yes Sebastian. Here we need calls a kid. You Post Birth Pierce. I have you brush your lunch today. Post personally as a health. Now got a bit Sarah Very mature when I talk to you about next week. This is the pre prep school which is now just called the pre. Prep school it. When I was at school it was named after a little village in Dorset where the school was evacuated to during World War Two which was called but calm and that used to be called dot com but for various reasons they renamed it very mature? I think over four series. I've matured and in series one and two probably series three series four. I would have made so many jokes about dot com. But I'm not I'M GONNA move on mainly some some cold Anita way. So did you like always been a fan and on that no will move onto so the next tour of cliff Clifton village yes. There's going to be somewhere case. CLIFTONVILLE lead I cannot go outside of the street. It's no you can't well here. We are in Clifton sitting in a car. Well he's not just addio cars. It was my parents. Call it. Okay can we say yes if you really want to think that might be garish. It's a little bit a little bit. It's just a car doesn't really any time I think to me is Garrett the right word Gauche CITGO garish common. That new money yeah. It's a bit common merely to talk about the high class range of personalized license plate. And he sees he's that will just want to point even though my parents do have personalized number plates. I do stand by Tacky and if I were car would I have. A person is number plate. No yeah it does have he sees and top tip fear gene divas if you do have heated seats in your car when you takeaway get them on because it keeps your food will yes. I said No. I'm buzzfeed so yeah we've had a lovely Dan Clifton. We've just been to see James Williams Bravo we day A Green Monster which is not the same as Green Hulk Green Monster we are the SMOOTHIE. And we're all really tired today. I'm fine you to a sewer simple embedded really ridable with Ben stroking surprised. I'm saying this I'm trying to give you a nice Nice Nice Day around arguably one of the most picturesque gorgeous suburban parts of the southwest is beautiful. And all I'm getting. Can you say you needed to go. St Louis you go into a church going away. All we're saying is. Don't drink the communion wine sun life. Oh it was a teller. Ben Said walked straight into the Passover. Season is a big puzzle from his time. And we just. We don't want to sell complaining because we are having loads of loads bounds. Falling out and stuff but lack of competitiveness to the rolling stones. But you know they told the world and the L. Fall Fall our. Yeah all the rolling stones I it would be funny if that wasn't the common pronunciation. I'm just yeah me and bandages title the Razzi today then and I just don't yeah just need a bit more sleep. Can I say you've met my mother. Now yes your first I in depth conversation with my mother was about your boxes I sat there going. I'm not sure this is how Jordan I'm want this conversation to turn. What am I supposed to own like so I met Sarah for the first time by the way for what it's worth? She's nothing like how Magid present percents pencils darling and she's she's lovely. She's so nice she's she's a proper feed was relatively light. She Brownies and everything last night which we talked about before she left picky today. But we're talking and I was. I mean if into town I need need to get some new underwear. Oh I can wash house. I know they're all a flat in London. I said I've just been busy. Pasco police might not time to wash von on. I've got one last pair of American appeal now. That went right over because American appeal people know is the prime make right so American apprenticeship boxes. So what you've been asked. I didn't have any idea straight so as I am. You know when you've got las pair of American appeals. That was going to have to add to. You need to do some washing. So I'm talking about me. Boxers route twenty minutes. Why don't it just cheapen image of the conversation? I left the room day. It and we started an emo. We were getting in the car and this this college is a hybrid and it was plugged into the charging you then signed it to further. Ingratiate yourself with my mother and tell a story about when you Austria for drip when you. I'm hoping he's actually the producer of my teacups in our stole. It came to the show last night. Jet No went were when without the ignition. Bullshit Home I love see. That's the difference between where we life if you've hung your right yet. So your Gwen said I am alright. Lavar yes Sarah Terrar- love fucking standard that so it'd be my anyway my streets. We're on my avenues now. Say and yeah so I was talking to Williams warm about. He's electric And I went. Oh don't leave it then because I want to let you know when they first come out and and Used I used to have to pocket because they've gotten electrical charter at the House of course and I used to have to charge. Saint Georgia's shopping center in Preston. I I want charged. It went shopping. came out for about a and Giove. We'd still plugged this allow moves going out. I just folks because we bell and the Butwal of new lookout. I'm nearly pulled the wall off new-look because my parents are probably so. I told her that she found it funny. But thank you for more laughing at you. She must see most thing and my father she must on the phone. I'll fucking laughs and honest to God told about his box as twenty minutes and then he told me a joke about bloody car. So yeah having Jerry Clifton thank you for showing me your world. I think we're going to end on this show me. Oh well much compete in the base That's not pitching base. Show me your well. It's not beating the risk. You mean you mean Aladdin a whole new. Oh yeah a whole new new come price sung embezzled Jordan's GONNA sing it down. Oh yes he his Co. Jordan come on with their no three two. We'll just end up doing. Just get all the words. Doc I can show you the world you can show me the shining shimmering plan to I think the other the plan d hold me Prince says hold me repeat that what I'm saying. Let's let's work calmness. And then when we drive up in the van to our next destination we can serenade Ben who will be Jaffar to your Aladdin and my jasmine. Okay what else no tunes pump the horn again paw paw. So you've just heard producer. Ben Las Paul. Who says pope the long who was never honk the horn? I Pay Pell. Yeah good see you. Yeah albeit on Friday out Paul. Too Tight get right. Come on we going go. Thanks living until.

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Hour 2

Izzy and Spain

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Hour 2

"Welcome to Spain. And fits the podcast extras, Brandon part of your Wednesday with us. They didn't Fitz on ESPN radio. Mike wells and Jeff Dickerson sitting in. We're presented by progressive insurance. News broke about an hour ago. Courtesy of agent wardner hausky that the Los Angeles Lakers and Tyler Mike have reached an impasse with their negotiations for Ludwig the next head coach looks like that's not going to happen. So what's on to I guess plan B or C now for the Lakers. What's welcome in? Dane mcmenamin are great ESPN NBA reporter joining us via the shell Pennzoil performance line. Dave is of course, covering the Sixers and raptors for us during the postseason, but Dave let's start with the Tilahun news from your understanding. What was the big sticking point with Lou? And the Lakers. Why does not happen? Dollars. We sent south dollars and cents. That's all it was. And it's unbelievable for a franchise that consider stuff to be one of the elite one of the franchises that has a standard that other teams. Want wanna spire to that? They would nickel and dime championship. Head coach who has experienced with their highest paid player, and and a player who's going to be going through a very interesting time of his career because it's always a delicate process for a superstar to age, and you know, it was forces close to try lose that that that group. They've used it as disrespectful offer three years. Eighteen million dollars. You know for a guy who, you know. I mean know these numbers are all huge and no-one's crying property over here. But he has backloaded money coming. From the Cavs. And so that that number is actually smaller because he would have to sacrifice of the money the caz without him. And you know, they made an offer on Tuesday tie loose side. Turned it down today. They came back with a slightly more attractive offer and ties mood side pulled out and the Lakers have now made the nuclear decision to pull out themselves and now had to head coach candidates two of the four that they've interviewed turned down their offer to be head coach boy, Dave Becky tech. You're going back home to Philly thinking. Okay. Maybe I'm going to my hometown right about the final game of the the core group of Jimmy and Joel and devising guys together they lose. And now you're yellow to Laker headache. Boy. So what is worse dealing potentially right in the last six a game. Or the fact that the. The LA Lakers are thickly JV team in LA behind the clippers now. I mean, I it's it's something that's still processing Mike is listen there are still a pathway for the Lakers to become relevant this summer. Stephen a Smith was just on ESPN air confirming a rumor that I have heard right heard in the last couple of days being out in Philadelphia that that LeBron James came to Philadelphia and stayed in the same hotel as Rana rafters in our to begin recruiting Colli letter So I mean, if you get quite letter, I don't care who their coaches, you're going to be pretty good shape in better shape than the clippers. But this thing is just such a tenuous spot right now that of course, this thing to certainly keep getting worse. I don't know if he's hit rock bottom damage moments with Spain fits Jeff Dickerson. Mike wells, filling in on ESPN radio. I'm trying to figure out Dave what why are the Lakers so heavy in their negotiations? Mean? So if they don't know they don't land Liu so who's next? I mean, usually you don't play hardball with someone unless you got another guy waiting in the wings like who is that person for them. I mean, they interviewed four candidates to turn down the other to remain in John Howard to as ties to LeBron Thais, rob Pelinka with the college cemented his with Michigan fab five and Jason Kidd. And they wanted to ask you reported today that terrar- Lou part of their negotiations. The Lakers try to impress upon him to add Jason Kidd to staff. Now. It's my understanding that was not a point attention for Toronto. Now, what was it the ideal situation where you're being encouraged who to hire not necessarily, but those things happen. So I'll Lou ended up on the Cleveland staff because the cast went off this incurs, David black to hire. So we understands how the game is played. But I it was more. So, you know, either either you give a guy guaranteed in years or you give like I- premium in in salary per ano-. Then you talking about Dwayne Casey comes into Detroit making seven billion dollars a year. Scott, Brooke goes into Washington. Make seven billion dollars a year, David fist. I'll never been a head coach before goes to New York making six point one million dollars a year. Luke Walton never been head coach before it gets twenty five billion dollars in guaranteed salary from Lakers versus the eighteen millions guarantees offered straw loose. So it was you know, a dollar figure amount. But those are the two names you go back to you would think it'd be at the top list and Vegas knows stuff. Sometimes and beg us all of a sudden had John Howard as the number one most likely betting candidates the Lakers head coach about a month ago. And maybe that will be oppression odd that were put up by Vegas that that he will sudden get to the top of the mountain here. Let me ask you. I'm gonna look of Hughes Bajo, Jason Kidd situation. Dave, Jason Kidd interviews for the Lakers down clearly they wanna hire time loop. But then they won on on a staff. We have all covered. You know, you know, assistant coaches who were putting on stamps even. Oh, the head coach, you know, was not there handpick guy. It couldn't have caused that kind of a ripple effect. I mean considering Jason kit wants to be a head coach though. I can you explain the thinking behind that. I mean, I I think it's an old school basketball. Like that is something that, you know. I'm sure you're ready to goes up may too. But I do think there have been some staffs put together this way it look at, you know, Brett Brown has had three different head coaches highway from his staff in the last two years one so college Billy Lang, but also, you know, the the coach down in Atlanta and now Monty Williams stick in the Phoenix job. And so having a robust staff is considered to be strengthened, certainly that was something that Luke Walton was criticized for you know, we reported it and magic Johnston in part of his screed towards Luke back in early part of the season. Was that listen like, I don't like your assistance. And so I understand the whole idea like game of thrones. Like is that guy next to you trying to get your job? But ultimately, if you're confident in your abilities, then it's better to have more talented. Around you spaying fits with the mcmenamin for another minute here on ESPN radio. There are losses. Dave. And then there are like one twenty five eighty nine losses. I mean that was horrible for the Sixers. What was the vibe with that team after the game? And can they get back in this thing and extend the series? It was a really tough by. Now, you still had Jimmy Butler in the locker room in Toronto, listen to some country music and saying we're gonna ride or die with Joel Embiid and get home, and and it's really crowded is a different animal and hopefully can get things back on track. But the body language of events Simmons cared. You know, just kind of searching for answers to buy Sarah says, well, then dwell and be I mean, this guy has been sick for the better part of the series is the gastro-enteritis before game two if antacid game a game three games four and five or was the shelves themselves. And so yes, they can beat the raptors beat them two games or road this series. So it's possible. But you know, some numbers are definitely trending in the wrong direction. Not just the fact that they've lost these last two games, but the twenty points combined from Joel and Ben Simmons in game five accounted for now. All four games this year where they've. Had the fewest amount of its combined between them between eighteen and twenty one points all for those games came against the Toronto defense. So to think that all of a sudden they're gonna come up with the answer to dominate is questionable. Yet. We also say game four even though trying to one was a close one. And so, you know, you think they'll come out with some pride. And we'll see what happens. We know. You're busy day, man. We appreciate the time. Thank you so much, but I've got the mcmanamon on the shell Pennzoil performance line. We are brought to you by Pennzoil synthetics taking synthetic motor oil performance to a whole new level. Make the switch to Pennzoil synthetics today while three years only eighteen million the offer for Tyler who got dig into this more coming up next. What's next for the Lakers it spanned fits with Jeff Dickerson and Mike wells filling in it's ESPN radio Spain and fits in Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app, Sirius XM channel eighty Jeff Dickerson and Mike. Well, sitting in tonight, we are presented by progressive insurance. The news of the night Mike is that Tyler and the Lakers reached an impasse with their contract. Talks and tie. Lou will not be the next head coach in Los Angeles for more on this. We go back out to our shell Pennzoil performance line. And bring in Stephen a Smith host of the Stephen a Smith show on ESPN radio. And also, I take Stephen thank you as always for your time. We just had Daming amendment on the show, and he's telling us the Lakers only offered tie Lou three years eighteen million. Why would they make such a week offer to them? What has what? That's what that's what I reported on the six o'clock sports was three years eighteen million dollars. It was not five years. Like, Luke Walton God whether five years like Derek Fisher, David is deal. Gotta Steve Kerr or anybody else. It was five it was three years, and it was a six million per plus. They wanted wanted to pick several of his assistant coaches for him. And he just felt that was the ultimate slap in the face. First of all is mentality. Is that he's loyal and that he's gonna take his coaches with them number one, just like see clipper took his coaches to Orlando, just like Davis is 'cause coaches for Memphis to New York, etc. Etc. And that was number one. But number two in being a championship. Coach one sixty percent of his game. Six and seven percent of this post-season games. We're going to three straight NBA finals as mentality that I'm not coming just coach LeBron I'm coming in to coach the Los Angeles Lakers and for him to be treated that way. He was highly offended by it and walk away. So sort of question Steve. Where do the Lakers go who's going to be there next head coach? Well, well, Well, I I don't believe believe it or not. I don't think that's the most pivotal question. I think the most difficult question be should be who the hell is running the Lakers organization because listen win Jim bus was there is the horrible as that situation was Mitch Cup. Check was widely respected as a general manager. He wasn't revered, but he was definitely respected. He's no longer there. You got Jeannie bus would minutely doesn't involve ourself with basketball operations per se because that's not her straight. So where you get your basketball decisions from it's a guy that used to be an agent in rob link who's now your GM. And obviously, he was an accomplished agent knows that thing too about basketball, but his decision making it's contaminated by the fact that nobody wants to answer his phone calls people want to talk to him. They just dislike them because of whatever they feel. He did to them as an agent, and then you have Linda Randy's who's our friend, and is in charge of special projects for the. Acres, and, you know, lives nearby her and they're very very tight. What is Huck basketball qualifications though? The only thing that we truly truly know of is the fact that other than this Rams a former champion with the Los Angeles Lakers who was an interim coaching both LA and New York and the two years he was a fulltime coach for the Minnesota Timberwolves. There's recommend was one is record was thirty two and one thirty two as a head coach that they nineteen and a half percent winning percentage. One hundred games under five hundred. And the Ramseys are supposedly the one making basketball decisions right now as it pertains to who should be the next head coach for the Los Angeles Lakers. So when you have that kind of stuff going on and Jerry West didn't even get a phone call from the Lakers would his son working with an organization. We're all you have to do is to get Jerry. With is the say, you know, what we'll let you run the organization for a few years. And then we'll let you search your son to take over the him when you're ready. Step down. And he would at the very least listen for you not to give him a call and not a mess this up. This is clearly the guy that LeBron James reportedly wants I'm sorry. The question ain't even about who the next coach is going to be it's about who's making the Dan decisions. Stephen a Smith with us on Spain fits Jeff Dickerson. Mike wells, sitting in our tell us what you reported Stephen about the brand going to Toronto to Recruit cO. Why? No, I didn't say Toronto. I said that I was told LeBron was in Philadelphia. I'm sorry. Philadelphia. Was I was in Philadelphia where Ron was in Philadelphia. When the rap is there, I had a couple of people that were near the rich and said that they saw them, and they were people that I know that I've known for years. I don't know. Whether that's true or not I believe it is. But I'm just telling you what I heard because LeBron James was under the assumption that tie Lou would be his next head coach. So because he was under that assumption. He was in full, you know, energize commode in terms of recruiting gods or trying to recruit somebody to come to Los Angeles. This. Summer and play with him next year and the Lakers uniform and all of this doing that we've been he ended about Kawai limit and the Los Angeles Clippers for months, which me and many other of basketball folks have reported suddenly the whole lake Kawhi, Leonard talks reinvigorated and come up the pike again. And you were talking you were hearing about LeBron James trying to recruit him and the belief was LeBron was talking about how this is gonna be the next head coach is what we gonna do. Here's what we don't go for, you know, come come join us. And now that this is falling apart. Who knows what the hell's gonna happen now? Because if you're a wildland Kevin Durant, if you're kyri, or if you even Kimball Walker for crying out loud, no matter who you are. Why would you wanna join the Lakers with this mess going on speech? Speaking of MS how do the Lakers clean up this mess? I mean, what do they do to kind of clean? You know, this is. Plate. That's an easy answer for me. I think the easiest answer is you go back to Lou and you offer him five years to the three because that's the fare offered to do if you gave Luke Walton five years. Okay. You can give Lou five years. That's number one because any coach with a championship on his resume is going to command that there's no other job in the NBA. There's those the team in the NBA with a head coaching opening that would've offered them through this any other job, even the Knicks. The Knicks fan that's the Knicks didn't try to pull that was the Kerr when they offer Steve Kerr four years instead of five and Golden State came off five dreams dole and trying to get away with giving him four before he turned around after losing seed Kerr and gave their Fisher five, but the point is in this day and age any coach with a championship his resume is going to get a five year offer. So the Lakers need to step up. Not do that A and being also they'll wanna have this staff with if you to insist that somebody. Is included on his staff. That's fine. But you can't try to hand pick his staff for him and tell him who he can't pick. While you're picking this distance him championship coaches, don't let you do that when they win championships. There are certain perks that conceivably come along with them. Using the salary is one of them keeping your staff together is the other. They used those two things tie Lewis the next head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers. Lebron James is happy. And then you go out there, and you can recruit for the Los Angeles Lakers organization. You don't do that in a franchise more more than we ever thought they worked possibly even worse than the gym buff era. And then you gotta go permit. Stephen, I thank you so much. We know you're busy and forgiving us. The time. They got. All right. Stephen a Smith host the Stephen a Smith show right here on ESPN radio. Also, I take joining us on the shell Pennzoil performance line on. I guess if you don't go back to Tyler Mike and up that offer from three years eighteen million to five years. Plus right now, the only names we've heard are Jason Kidd, John Howard for the Lakers event tie Lou I'll take five years, but that Donald value. It's going to average more than just six million dollars a year. I am going to I am going to bleed money out of the LA Lakers organization after they insult me by giving me by offered me. Does it three year do tie Lou has everything in his favor? If the Lakers come back to them, he can dictate the terms of the deal now, I'm just shocked because everyone knows what a pivotal higher. This is for the Lakers. They've got to get this, right? They already lost Monty Williams to the sons Tyler was clearly LeBron's guy. Everyone thought this was going to happen. And they go there in offer a below market deal. Why would you do that? When you know that if you don't get Tyler do, which is what has happened right now, you're gonna walk away from this looking ridiculous. Which is what the Lakers are doing. I can't understand the three year eighteen million dollar offer. I can't get there. I mean, I lose the championship. He has wanted Cambridge Monty Williams I wanted came ship. So where does I don't I don't I don't get the rationale behind. It won't is just reporting. Kurt Landes is having a big impact in the head coaching. Search. What is Kurt has done at the head coach nothing. So it become worse and worse a bad bad clown show in LA, Stephen gave you record. He's really done nothing as coach he gave me the answer. Right there. Lots of drama in Los Angeles. We'll keep monitoring that situation. But tonight will be the end of Kyrie's time with the Boston Celtics. Boston's on the ropes we discussed that straight ahead. It's Jeff Dickerson. And Mike wells. We are in for Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio. Spain and Fitz huge game tonight for the bucks in Milwaukee. To try to close out the Celtics it Spain Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app. Siriusxm channel eighty along. With Mike wells. I'm Jeff Dickerson sitting in and ESPN radio recognizes national military appreciation month brought you by naval Federal Credit Union proudly serving the armed forces the DOD veterans and their families over eighty years. Federally insured by NC UA ESPN's Belika Andrews has been covering the Celtics and buck series for us at ESPN. She joins us now on the shell Pennzoil performance line. Melita all is tonight on on kyri Irving. What's it been like for him the last couple of games, and you think is going to respond? I mean, he has no choice, but to respond if he does not the Celtics are going home. I mean, I talked to one Celtic source before the game that basically said. You know, this this halls on Kyrie shoulders. We need him to have a monster game. Because everyone else follows his lead and our team. This person was saying is just not good enough to sustain themselves against the bucks team without him sort of leading the way especially offensively laugh game, you know, kyri took twenty two shots. He said he should should have taken thirty. I expect him to come out very aggressively tonight because he knows you know, all eyes are on him. Like you said, and if they lose he will be receiving the brunt of the criticism, you know, so much attention is on the Celtics because they have probably Dave in one of the you know, most underperforming team in the league this season. But you think about a game one the bucks get blown out at home. And now they are on the brink of eliminating the Celtics team what has been the biggest difference will Milwaukee in games two three four to put them up three to one in a series Malingco. Well, I think that gave one woke them up a little bit. I all. I think that you know, they really were able to attack you on us. The Celtics were really able to attack you on its in game one in part because the four other guys on the floor. We're not hitting those outside shots that usually due to create space for Janas and the paint. And so those help defenders could just collapse in on Janas when he was trying to bully his way to the basket. So I think that that's one thing that's changed. And then the other thing is George hill. And Pat quantitative and the bucks bench have showed up big time in Dame's three and four for the bucks. And so I think they're hoping that that momentum can continue because if you remember Yang and Eric Bledsoe. And Chris Middleton all had four fouls in the third quarter of last game. And they had to sit for a good eight minutes of the third quarter, and it was sort of tie with when everyone held their breath a little bit on the buck side and thought, well, you know, this is the time the Celtics really could open up. What was it two point lead? When air Bledsoe sat down to something like twelve point lead. But they didn't the. Bucks kind of were able to come back a little bit there. And so I think they've become a little bit more comfortable, and they also really didn't like the feeling after game one. They don't wanna feel about again. And so they're looking to kind of shut this and get it over with and done tonight. We Andrews his live in Milwaukee covering Celtics and bucks fours. Spain fits with Jeff Dickerson and Mike well sitting in on ESPN radio and the ESPN app now Maliki, no, Malcolm brogden, we'll have a role tonight. What is that going to be for the bucks? And we'll man in any way affect George hills minutes. Well, I asked my hold that exact question before the game. And he refused to give me all of his trade secrets. But one source did tell me that what they expect to see for Malcolm is that he's gonna play roughly four minutes stretches. You know, he's going to be capped around fifteen twenty minutes. They're not really looking to push him to the limits night. He is coming off the bench. But one thing that might hold their did say it absolutely will not affect or chills minutes. He said that anyone with two pairs of. Is can see what George has been doing for us. And we need him to continue to do that tonight. So Malcolm is sort of a welcome addition it won't change anything for the current guys who have been carrying them. All now, if you know, George Jetsons foul trouble. If something happens perhaps Mike loopholes or will make some adjustments. But he doesn't plan going into this to have it affect your chills. Minute the books go with forest Jonah's takes them. But can you talk about the job that might boot knows or has done as head coach his team? I mean, you you have to all-stars, but it seemed like everybody knows their role on this team. This'll every you know, what he's done to make help make the same successful this season. Yeah. I mean, you're absolutely right. When you look at the the roster a lot of the guys that the key players. At least Eric Bledsoe. Chris Middleton Jaanus were all here last year. Obviously, they added breath Lopez they added Nico miratec. They ought to George hill. But there are two players were all the. The biggest difference the biggest, you know, signing. If you will was was my food and holes, and what she did is he came in. And he said look we want to space the floor for Janas with shooters. We don't want Chris Middleton taking those mid range jumper is that he was taking a lot of in years past we want three point shooting, and we want to take it to an extreme level. And then the other thing that that that he wanted to do was was just, you know, build a culture within the bucks that is a little bit of silliness, but a lot of hard work. And so I think that that has become a top down thing. And then the third thing is, you know, he's really been careful with guys minutes in the regular season, Chris and and Janas played a ton last year, and they played a lot this year, but they really scaled back the lot. And now you're seeing not lay out in the offs where they're not fatigued from the regular season. Even though they won sixty games week Andrews is with us on ESPN radio. Jeff dickerson. Mike wells in for Spain and Fitz bleak. I spend a lot of time around the bucks this season. What would it mean to this franchise to get to the conference finals for the first time? And what is it seventeen eighteen nineteen years something like that? What would it be for them? I mean, you know, Jaanus with a with a child last time that the bucks made it that far in two thousand and one, but you know, the thing for for the bucks. What would it mean to them is that a lot of people still think of the bucks, it's sort of this up and coming franchise it has something to prove? They're ready to shed that identity and say, we're here we've arrived where the real deal, you know, I think a lot of people wrote off the the first round series against Detroit as oh, it's just Detroit. Even if the bucks did sweep that series. The first real test will come against the Celtics. And now they're looking to close out the Celtics and five games to perhaps if that happened on a national, and maybe even international level because of Janas popularity overseas. People will see them as a force to be reckoned with and not just a cute story anymore. Thank you so much for the time. Enjoy the game tonight. Thanks for having me guys Balik Andrews can NBA reporter covering the Celtics in bucks. Joining us on the shell Pennzoil performance line. I mean, Mike look the last time the bucks made the conference finals was two thousand and two thousand one when they lost a AI in the seventy Sixers we're talking it's a long time before that eighty five eighty six that's good teams back in the early nineteen eighties. But nevertheless in Crete type days back in back in the eighty s in the as I mean in the seventies. They were winning championships back in the day fear the deer back in the early seventies. But it has the bucks being this relevant. It's been such a long time. And they really are. They're they're a great story and Yanni's is is a great centerpiece to this thing and to close out the Celtics that would just be monumental for that franchise. What's impressive about it? This is not a large market team. I mean, you know, Milwaukee's right up the road from you in Chicago. And again, Chris Middleton and Janas degree for the two officers on the team. They have done a great job of putting the pieces of the puzzle around those guys where everybody knows those roles, but they commit a great point about surrounding Janas with shooters. That's exactly what Cleveland LeBron James gave him shooters on a primitive and allowed open up delaying to drive. That's exactly what's happening in Milwaukee with the Greek freak and now they're going to close out. Yes. They are going to close out the Boston Celtics tonight and moved to the Eastern Conference finals, the Milwaukee Bucks one series away from getting back to the NBA finals. I don't think many people predicted that when you talked about LeBron James going out west everybody was talking about Toronto with co Philadelphia Boston with their young nucleus nine. A lot of people talked about the Milwaukee Bucks finishing with the best record in the NBA. Yeah. Listen, if you want to reach out to us on Twitter, you can tweet us on the one eight hundred flowers dot com Twitter feed. You find Mike at Mike wells NFL. I'm at Dickerson ESPN and coming up next three straight NBA. Final runs is it finally catching up to the warriors. It span fits it's ESPN radio Spain and fits the scene shifts back to oracle arena tonight game five rockets and warriors looked like the warriors. We're gonna cruise back to the conference finals winning the first two but Houston strikes back. The series is even it spayed and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app. Siriusxm channel eighty Mike. Wells and Jeff Dickerson sitting in. I mean, Mike I thought when the warriors went up two nothing in hardens got the poked in the eye, and it would see I'm being I mean the laugh, but I mean, he was he was in pretty bad shape there with the red is the post game press conference after game two had to look down because the light was bothering them after he got his cornea scratched. This is over now to two and momentum has completely swung. The other way in favor of the rockets. Now, you have to go to warriors question in themselves because you're right. We like, okay, if hardened can't chew shoot there's no chance for the Houston Rockets the win the series. They're going to sit here if they lose game three they're gonna get script. They find a way to win the overtime game game three come out and find a way to hold on in the fourth quarter to beat the warriors. And now going to say is thinking we can't let we cannot lose game five because this could be the last game ever at oracle arena. And, you know, Steph Steph struggle Steph out there, missing dunks, Klay Thompson can't get going off instantly. You know, people were questioned questioning Kevin Durant focal point office having the ball sticking his hand too much. A lot of question marks about the warriors way going back to Houston down three two two who could be the end of this warrior dynasty. I wouldn't. Want that TIMMY Legler was on the will Cain show earlier today on ESPN radio. And he said the rockets are just a nightmare for Steph curry deaf. You saw last night and number of times complaining to the officials about being hit and held in bumped. He look he's one hundred ninety pounds. He's he's a finesse player. It does wear on you when you're being held in grabbed in hit to that extent. And you shoot the ball from where he does and run as much as he does. And by the way, he has no brakes on the other end of the floor. And that's including Erik Gordon. Whoever gets it is going, Adam. So it's the different team for him to play against an any other team in the league and its two times. Now they've had to go through this in a row. I think four times in the last five years they've played this team in the postseason, but particular last to the Jews to was built to potentially when title they they're just they're a nightmare Steph curry if they get through the series, it's going to breathe an enormous sigh of relief just to see anybody else. It also wears on you Mike to play this deep in the playoffs year after year after year three straight finals appearances for. The warriors. That's tough. It's tough to repeat. I was watching the jump today. And we'll talk to Nick Fidel coming up at the top of the hour. He was on the jump with Rachel Nichols. And they were talking about that like, no one really seems to give that much thought. But when you're playing basketball as late as they are into the summer every year and then back at it in the fall. I mean at some point like those minutes pile up here at the break down a Jif. Lebron James is our line one. He would like to talk to you about having to play in the finals for number straight years. He said he's been in the final eighth straight years. But Tim Legler made a great point you think about the the guards that Steph curry is going against Chris Paul is not tiny heir, Gordon is not tiny Austin rivers has leaked on him. So they're able to pound and get up on Steph curry and beat up on him and don't give him freedom. Those guys will go back at him on the other end they're going to tech the basket and they're gonna make Steph work on defense work on defense. I give the Houston. Rockets and Mike dantonio a lot of credit they're not letting Steph curry rest I wanted to court so he's fresh on the offense of it. So that's credit there, and that's show into the Houston. Rockets are not relying just on the three ball. They know that the three while is definitely a weapon they have in their arsenal. But they have to get to the basket and attack. Go to say to make them work defensively in a plan worked in games three and four if lebrons Collins we put him on the show. I mean, we need to ask. But we need to ask him hanging onto the Ritz Carlton Philly and who is next head coach is going to be. I mean seriously. I mean, Mike Antonio and Travis are giving us Stephen Smith. I mean, can we get like LeBron possibly? Pretty good. I mean, look the warriors just looked out of sorts engaged. Three and four plain simple looked out of sorts now come back home where it's such a tough place for an opposing team the play. Well, maybe the rockets have some sort of something in their head Mike about playing it oracle. They could also lead on that tonight too. But I'm with you your drought. This one you go back to Houston three two at that's going to be a really tough Ville tough hill for them to climb. We're still waiting breakout game. We're waiting on their breakout game where we're Steph Klay. Thompson had one of those games where they can't miss when a prisoner that hasn't happened yet. I mean Steph scored thirty points in game four, but he was four fourteen in on three pointers debt that is not a Steph curry type shooting performance Klay Thompson, there is a missing person alert out for Klay Thompson right now, we're waiting on him to get going on fiscally that we the same best back coordination being that we have watched your after year, they are not producing it inefficient type level. In the series. And it's really hurting the Golden State Warriors. Of course, we say all this. They probably went by thirty tonight. Oh, of course. And then, you know, we, you know, we don't want to look at our Twitter mentions in the morning because everybody in the bay area and all the bandwagon fans will be coming after us. I know if you don't live in the bay area, you know, if you're just a basketball fan and your market, you probably don't love the warriors. Because of all the superstars they've collected. I love watching the warriors. I think it's great for basketball. There's a part of me Mike would honestly feel a little unfulfilled if they don't win another championship this year. And then Durant leaves and Klay Thompson. Also, a free agent will see what happens there. But it's it's never I don't I don't look at Golden State as the villain so much because I think except for Draymond they're pretty likable. Guys. Durant tries to play this phony villain role. But he's really not. And you think about you think about this is not I mean. Yes. Durant and boogie cousins signed free agent. But stiff clay and Draymond we're all graphics. So it's not like they formed a super team. They got they got today. MB finals they won a championship without boogie cousins. They wanna championship without Kevin Durant. They wanted with guys that they drafted. I mean, Andrea Gonzala has you know, embraced coming off the bench. So it was not like this is not like the New England Patriots us wanna hate them. You wanna hate them? Because you don't like Bill Belichick and Tom Brady they go about things to right way. They just added to all sorts of the roster guys who wanted to win a championship. It'll be it'll be interesting. If Golden State does not make it to the finals no-go to say Nola, Brian James of the finals will the interest level an NBA is high without the to you know, once per star in a team full of of all stars now in the finals. No, there's no way. There's there's no way. There's I know that you got hard and still at the rockets if they get through, but. But now for the trailblazers now for the nuggets now for the raptors not for the Sixers Celtics look like they're on their way out. I mean, the bucks are a fabulous story. Mike. We'll I enjoy the bucks. But for a national perspective outside of Jaanus. If you don't live in Milwaukee. Can you name another book can you play that game like enable another buck? If you don't live in Milwaukee hard or don't cover the league, very very hard. If you weren't at the all star game because they Jaanus and Chris Middleton. All right. Who else is on team a? I don't know. That's that's what would happen if the bucks got to the finals. I mean, it's it for the state NBA. You probably won't go to say there. But you can't if Houston beats them you gotta give credit where Credit's due Houston, finally go over the top of the mountain, and they did it with four to five all stars playing in the series. I want the bucks to make the finals. Don't get me wrong. But I want them to face the warriors. Like for me, having honest in the finals is awesome. I'd much rather have him then I know Kawais qui-. But collide is an exactly I'm saying from a marketing standpoint from an interest level Jaanus as much more captivating person than coil. Leonard is am I wrong by saying that I mean, oh, listen yawn is the way he plays. It's more exciting to quiet, and this is no knock on Kawais game is so smooth. But Janas brings excitement to it. Yeah. So I'm in. I'm actively rooting for the bucks and the warriors. Face off in the finals, but it definitely won't be anywhere near as compelling or spicy in my opinion. If the warriors aren't in the finals, a picking out the perfect mother's day bouquet is easy with one eight hundred flowers dot com right now. One eight hundred flowers will give you twenty four multicolored roses, plus a free this for only twenty nine ninety nine to order, go to white hundred flowers dot com slash ESPN is going to be a big net of basketball Celtics in bucks from a walkie game five and then the nightcap game five from oracle rockets and warriors momentum has swung in favor of the rockets the last two games. So coming up next can the splash brothers returned to form tonight and take a three two lead over Houston. It's Spain fits with Jeff Dickerson. Mike well, sitting in this is ESPN radio. Thanks for listening to the Spain and Fitz podcast. 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Stan Hieronymus talks hops, yeast, and South American craft beer

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Stan Hieronymus talks hops, yeast, and South American craft beer

"This episode and every episode the beer guy's radio show is brought to you by ironmonger brewing visit ironmonger at their taproom in marietta georgia or online at ironmonger brewing dot com. It opened up a tab ab grab a seat and pour a pint. It's time for the beer guy's radio show or free beer brewery dedicated to the art science and hand enjoyment of craft beer what we got now here are your host. Tim dennis and brian hewitt welcome to the beer guy's radio show. We're broadcasting from the beer guy's radio studios in marietta georgia in this week. We're talking with author. Journalist stan her automous. I'm dennis with me as always is my good friend and co host brian hewitt. Hey tim so joining us today. Yes stan ron among in addition to being an esteemed author journalist. He is a hop expert so we're gonna talk about. Hops yeast hops craft beer outside outside the u._s. Hops terrar- the harvest and hops property so stan. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me again. Absolutely i hope we get some time to talk about hops. I really i really hope i really hope we can stand always a pleasure talking with you our house life in atlanta. You've been here what a couple of years now <hes> a year and a half a little over a year and a half okay. What do you think of the developments in the beer seen here since <hes> just in the time you've been here. I can't keep up right simpler. Here is way too much going on lots. Lots of interesting stuff as people know sometimes. It's not the easiest town to get around in so it's good to have a brewery close as possible so you don't have to try and that's right so <hes> and of course we live at ten minute walk from wrecking bar so it's it's really hard to some days. You just go why venture beyond that said don't mess with the masses go right to the neighborhood especially. If it's the wrecking bar yes lily that'd be dangerous. Just living nearby would never leave yeah yeah the one of my favorites so sure enough o'brien we got out and got into some the madness of atlanta this weekend deal with that so we went over to pontoon bruin who had their brownie batter bash which is their imperial stout brand new but brownie batter style they did quite what if you different variants on that one my favorite easily the mexican hot chocolate was just really good had a nice heat finish on the end of it. What was your favorite one over. I was gonna agree with you. That was my favorites is a lot of people were into that <hes> batch number one oreo cream which is pretty good. I like the the silk brownie which was a collaboration with cherry street street but the most interesting beer not not my favorite but the most interesting was that animal magnetism which was a <hes> a collaboration between a brewing and dmitry and it's a imperial brackets gets with a local honey in a couple different types of vanilla it it was interesting it tasted more like a beer cold and more like a mead as it warmed up so very intriguing beer them honey tones. Yeah yeah indeed it was sweet. It was very sweet. Sweet is true everything. There was pretty sweet shana keith. That's marie on her his shirt that said i think it said brownie batter fast but had marked out browning had diabetes. You got a chance to pop into berbar. We enjoy over in roswell so we don't get to a lot tap and six had a good time. There sat at the bar matt's and people chat it and we opened up some <hes> dry fontana fontana fontana in a word own stand can correct on canaan dry fontaine gu's a favorite one shared that around and <hes> popped over two variant bruin yep for king's bloody. That's right. That's she's o'brien. O'brien got to try beer slushy. The only thing that was missing glitter. I mean i would have been complete. Had there been glittering even just a little sprinkle that reminds me when we were. It's happened six. There was something called hauled glitter bomb that was on the on the menu. We looked at it. Look very closely for glitter was just name no glitter. They were just mess. They were yeah. Glitter is a the two thousand eighteen thousand is out thing but i you know soft spot in my heart for it. So you know tim. We should talk about the beer's of the week. Crack open a cold one. It's the truck in tap beer at the week craft beer and food trucks in downtown woodstock truck and tap dot com o'brien brian. We have an excellent selection here. We did a little pre game and so stand brought us a couple beers and stay. Can you tell us a little bit about these because i think you've got more details. We have a grudge. Iska grudge isky while it's from <hes>. This one's actually <hes> there a._p._a. Am it but it is from the brewery in the town of grotesque most those famous for making the the only made one style beer which is co gysky which one hundred per it's made with one hundred percents smoke wheat malt up for about five hundred years <hes> the brewery closed in the late nineteen ninety s has recently been revived reopened in two thousand fifteen and and they primarily ideal was to make or gysky beer but it's a smokeybear smoke beer is not an easy sell so the other bureau brought his from live oak brewing and austin texas and that's a wonderful example of grochowski which you can get on a year round basis there so it's a nice three percent beer very smokey and dan pretty happy as well so we have an american style beer from a polish burry and a polish style beer for american burry correct in other than the baltic porter in poland. Among crapper is now and there are hundreds of craft breweries air making mostly american style beers as we have a whole lot of hazy beers. There are some cezanne and stuff like that and then there's pastry everything really even even the poor. Polish are getting the pastry south on the hazy. Why not what's the polish word for hazy easy. Okay what what am i think so too dense actually epa okay. Epa is what they pronounce it. As an end that's also true and much of south america. Uh so people go ahead noticed that estonian. Is it estonian brewing. The paula paula yeah that they talk about foreign burris because can't say their names. Oh yeah exactly right a lot of their stuff. Cata is kind of on the verge of being a pastry star. Love all of it that i've ever had but <hes> yeah so i i didn't realize that it was such a a fan base for those styles of beer over in that part of it when you go to the true in germany works. It's hard to make inroads when you talk to the german brewers. If you say what does craft craft beer means to them craft beer means not from here and most places cramps your means invented in north america how how well i mean it's a change from what they used to view our beer right. Yes yeah we also got into one. That smalls went up to chicago. She picked us up for good timing. Release just to see was there. This is a three way collaboration from temperance beer company the field museum and the chicago bruise eum and they recreated the 1893 columbian exposition world's fair beer. It is a dry hop cream. L. called all the world is here. I liked it. I liked. It quite got a bit actually so brian said you were. You were kind of a fan of it. I am a fan yeah. I'm undecided on cream ales overall style but i like this beer a good amount democrat <unk> criminals and stan believe review was it's against a cream l. right. It's <hes> up their style is sort of become defined by people <hes> and obviously it goes to jesse jackson but but if you look back through the second half of the nineteenth century it it could be a lot of different things it was not necessarily just meant to emulate a logger. That's that's what it turned into is. These breweries couldn't lager beer but they made they did a coal condition so they made their ails so they could compete with lagers also they were more highly carbonated but you can go back particularly like chicago in eighteen fifties in eighteen sixties. It was much more of like a a richer ale flavors breath and then eventually a little richer than in <hes> over time of course they just started adding more more core and that lighten the body. It took a eventually they wrong. Much of the flavor out just went. All of the corn kept creeping. Well like everything is as i. Why don't you don't blame the corn. You blame the being counters okay all right fair enough so brian. What's happening in this week's news what's in the news the beer guys i have the scoop time for headlines all right so really quick. We've got a a fun hop story new york. Hop farmers are looking looking for new hops and i didn't realize this but there there's something of a resurgence of hop growing in new york state and growers obviously face stiff stiff competition with hops oscar on the west coast. What makes it especially tough for them. As a lot of those popular hops just don't grow well in new york so hot farmers around the hop for new wild and quote feral hop varieties which until now they thought were just leftovers from the nineteenth century. When new york was a big hot player <hes> it's not the case they've had some success and so far fifteen unique varieties as of hops have been found and are being studied and some number of those hops are actually being trademark so the benefit of finding hops in this way is that it reduces the time and cost of bringing a new hop the the market. You don't have to go through a breeding process. They're already there. You just have to grow so now. I wonder you know what other parts of the country have wild and feral hops that we haven't discovered the interim didn't neil mexican est in that come from a wild hop priority beliefs so in this we're being indicated that our time is okay so you're listening to the beer guy's radio show. We need to take a break but we will be back very soon to talk. More with stan is career restaurant. Pouring all jacked up. 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We were talking about <hes> wild hop varieties and other areas brian and asked if there were other areas where they could the could be found and i mention in new mexico minus now. Was that a wild variety and are are there others that <hes> we yes so recall at the beginning. All hops were wild and they were selected. What what was good <hes> backing up more hops been around five million years they originate in mongolia a million or so years ago some of them migrated rather quickly into europe and and those eventually became the bridies we consider who meals and those those were the hops of people used but it turned out about five hundred thousand years later hops also migrated into north america as they were classified. You ended up with three different north american types <hes> it's easier. They are not that different genetically so throughout north america. The hops are different than the hops in europe they have certain <hes> different compounds and what's happened over time for instance we can take citra while hop that has changed everything <hes> there's now more citra planted in the north northwest less than any other aroma variety. It's the second most planet aroma variety in the world. After soz citra is a half half middle through which is from germany and <hes> a landrace hop twenty-five percent fogle which is from england another landrace grace hop nineteen percent brewers gold brewers. Gold is the first bread hop in which case that was at at wye college e._s. salmon. I thought there's something different than the north american hops brought an american mother from manitoba over to england planet or in in a position in the field known as bb one as a matter of fact and then let a let her be pollinated by an unknown in male the male was probably either fogle or a golden <hes> from that hops were planted out in the field eventually in in one see a nine nine became brewers gold. Brewers gold is at the basis of many other hops. It's the one that has american character <hes> and then three percent it is unknown so that's likely another north american wild so this hop citra that everybody's in love with is seven eighths european in one eighth american but what makes it different are some of the oil compounds we now know that gives you more fruity aroma and flavor like geranium and then additionally it has a <hes> sulfur compounds known as styles that are much higher levels in the american varieties than the european repeat varieties so almost all american varieties have these characteristics <hes> but they they need some interaction with with other other hops as well in what's unique about the to kneel mexicana varieties have got people's attention medusa and zappa is is they are both purely north american hops that they were bred by todd bates in new mexico and he went out and selected <hes> hops from the while the trying to put those characters together as is not the easiest thing in the world so there's a good chance hops in new york because there were so many other hops from europe they are a natural cross between american and european varieties which is which is why they can have have the character. That's interesting that people would want so you've got you've got in that. You've got a lot of genetic crossbreeding which will have different aspects but but then you've got the tour the area surrounding the hops which we've talked a little bit about in the break like how important is that for neo mexicana so like it is is it is that a bigger deal than to genetics or is it are they kind of on par with each other which is the biggest. He's saw the interest in the neo mexicana go to parts are they seem to do better closer to the equator in and they have over time adapted to their environment. The key thing is about those office adapted daft their environment so they grow better in that environment but of the cases new mexicano <hes> at at todd's farm which is <hes> between santa fe okay and toss solar about six thousand feet high a lot of sun not a lotta rain <hes> those hops never got to the wire <hes> then when when they went up to the north west they get the wire so they're much more productive they air than they were in new mexico. So that's one issue. Can you get as many pounds hounds per plant. <hes> using didn't get up to the wire so so when you play the hot hot hot hot hops wanna grow themselves to about twenty five to thirty feet <hes> for instance in the in the region they are <hes> they are playing at the wire is they can get eight meters high <hes> in the u._s. It's more like eighteen feet so that is in the trellis. That's the wire okay near and you really want that getting to the wire at the solstice office because they are day length dependent so you want him flowering at the right time in the end that's a danger with with growing hops closer to the equator which we are in georgia is they want to they want to go to flower earlier and they are not going to produce as much of what you want in the hop which are absolutely that's really interesting. So i mean you get less loop eland. I was thinking that i would think from a little bit. I know about plants which isn't really that much. Actually that the shorter the short of the plants the the more stuff goes into each individual thing. That's produced so maybe i would think short short plants were produced super. Hop cones cones you know but i guess that's not right. It's not right okay there. We go no no no need to go into a long that is wrong. Brian anzai hot plants. That's what i'm thinking of right here now. They there is a lot of terminent stuff so more of the nutrients that go to work to the parts of the plant. You want it to write pruning back. <hes> so whether it's certainly there there are short trollers plants in their reasons. Those can work as well <hes> because <hes> they they're easier to grow organically for instance <hes> and a key thing about hops is at the time to pick them now so we go and <hes> cut away from the plant and we do that at a time where the plant is still taking on nourishment so if if you you shorter hops you can just go in and pick them off the binds and then later cut them back after they've taken the nourishment so it used to to be in the fields in the nineteenth century when hoppers was intensely manual <hes> they would cut the minds at the top drop them down to the ground they would pick the hops off they will put the binds back up at the wire in later cut them off and and that was that was better for the plant because it's taking that nourishment gotta remember that it is <hes> an annual above. It's a perennial on the ground. That's that's why you're hot. Plan's gonna lipped beat twenty or in the case attending they of hops it or eighty years old unless i try and grow them and then it's writers and they just give them make it about two years. Exactly now brian mentioned the hop terrar- i know that's something you've written about recently and it was something that i always wondered in brian and i are in <hes> into <hes> cigars and it's a it's a big thing there with terrar- of cuba dominican republic nicaragua being these are the prime driver growing regions and connecticut in in the united states and i always wondered why wasn't a bigger deal in beer you know with the way especially with the hops with how much flavor and aroma that comes from it seems like would-be a big deal and we're talking here about european varieties versus american varieties but there's a study recently <unk> actually zoomed in a little bit more to farms greg yeah in oregon on now colin farms is a fine is the first time they want to start to look at <hes> they can understand so as this is science advances. When you know the difference in soils then you can begin to make <hes> in the breeding process. Look at the genetics of the hops and ashley actually say this is going to create these flavors. Let's do this okay. We're up against another break stan. We'll finish this up when we get back. You're listening to the beer. Guy's radio show will return turn was more from stan hieronymus right after this brian tim the beer guys if you're like us. No launcher dinner is complete without a pint or two of craft beer which is why truck and tap in downtown woodstock. Alfa reta and duluth are always on our list tim. Why do they call it. Truck and tap will the tap part is easy brian. They've got eighteen of as for the truck part. That's where it gets interesting truck. Truckin tap features your favorite atlanta area food trucks so you're getting a different menu every day trucking tap in downtown woodstock alfa reta and duluth truck and tap dot com. Let let them know that the beer guys sent you. 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Let's get back to our talk with stan her automous stan we were talking in about hop tear warr and <hes> it's something that has recently become up and they've looked at it not just regions like u._s. Germany in that but go into farms and looking at the tower there so i guess one question is why hasn't this been looked at more up until now and isn't it a fairly big deal. It's hard for me to say why it hasn't been looked at before because we were not <hes> we do not appreciate subtle differences in beer <hes> and and there are lots of reasons to look at it now and it it's not only for instance what the coleman's our financing in oregon which is the idea. We're going to create these others enrollment flavors <hes> but you can look at like mighty axe which is a hop farm in minnesota has renamed some of their hop varieties because they they wanna point out how different cascade is in minnesota versus cascade from washington state or oregon. They're all different. <hes> new zealand renamed named <hes>. They're cascade two or three years ago. I gave it a native new zealand name which i should remember but i do not there's a lot you remember number lot stand so if you forget one hop name were were okay you have to say an extra geranium or linnel yet to make up for it one of house and we're good so so there over time as we differentiate be because the cost of if if if people can begin to differentiate where they say it's it's gonna cost a little bit more for op farmers in georgia or north carolina or whatever ever to deliver these hops and they have these other subtle differences in flavor if you can do that as opposed to pouring in four pounds of a proprietary hop from the northwest which is spectacular and you love those big knock you in the head aroma flavor but but that that price can can even itself out so so if we if we have this idea that we're going to move to beers with more nuance in in them play <hes> in them than than hops are one way to express that <hes> i would say barley varieties are as well not my area of expertise <hes> without something <hes> you know because i've brewed recipes that even the homebrew about bryan bryan our home bruin if we'd get different malt one time we the beer there was a difference in the beer and you know maybe subtler minor but we've even done a like multi and all these pale malts and they're all just called pale malt but there's a the difference going from one or the other you know it may be subtle but if you're they're looking for it and after think on a large scale i remember finding a dogfish head clone one time and said he had us thomas faucet appel malt or you would not get the right clone that just wasn't going to happen and i know a lot of times. Brewers are just like pell. I remember seeing a lot of home. Brewers use those those interchangeably well if you can't get the one even homebrew shops. Oh you can't get that well. We carry this. That's good enough and you can't find the pale malt. Just throw some bisquick in their fine pam be great. It'll be fantastic. I am i guess is when they said thomas faucet. They meant the thomas faucet mira solder in a really distinct bob and i i know people who who swear they can tell the difference between say faucet and crisp an an once. Actually i had a barley wine entered in in <hes> national homebrew contest and in the first round one of the judges turned out to actually work for <hes> it <hes> a mall salesman. The company said this is a great example of crisp and it was faucet <hes>. This is such an excellent christmas. It tastes exactly click. Marathon faucet will stand. We're going to move a little bit too yeast now because we have us a large vessel full of a norwegian farmhouse al brewed with a a strain. We think it's voss. We've messed to the brewer to see if we can find out what we think's a vase <hes>. We've seen a lot of discussion. That's the hot topic right now. <hes> you know a quick within the bruin world. We've talked to several people about it. We had travis rupp on last week talking h._e._b. We talked about that as i mentioned he said to. Say hello and thank you for all your your advice over the years but <hes> what's the latest in the world of quite what's going on out there with this well first of all if anybody has time to jump on a plane to <hes> <hes> chicago <hes> and i think it is the weekend after labor day. I'd have to look at the dates could be the next weekend but anyway that there will be quite fest in chicago at burnt city <hes> with twenty to thirty breweries most midwest but a few others others making showcasing different beers with quite lars gar soul who who is really responsible for making the world aware of of this the yeast and farmhouse brewing in general <hes>. We'll be there speaking. He's also going to be in toronto and montreal but they won't have the. I s wider variety of the beers <hes> so that that's one bid if if people really immersed in this and i don't think enough people know about it <hes> so it it should be a very interesting <hes> saturday. I think saturday now you had commented earlier when we're talking to think on the break we were talking about these burris saying this norwegian farmhouse l. You said one think of blood of american brewers are mrs tons and tons of juniper right. Yes certainly in in norway <hes> that's what they're using. You see juniper growing around around so <hes> it's just about a year ago. I visited the voss region with lars. We went to one farmhouse. A famous thomas brewer doesn't bruin michael jackson had been there before so so we we saw has set up an and we talked about those things and we talk talk about the whole <hes> yeast ring thing which he has hanging up in shutters and he you know he tells the story about you know it's sitting up there and somebody asks going so our art. The birds up their pooping on this ring. He's going to just take it down. Give it away and throw it in to go. I mean these are eight eight to ten percent alcohol beers. They're gonna they're gonna take out <hes> most of the critter so would cause a problem but then and we visited the farmhouse worries actually brewing <hes> and and there's there are like two carts of juniper outside aid and this is the stuff he said i always pick too much <hes> but but it is your all your brewing water <hes> has juniper in it and and then you <hes> sparred over juniper juniper is gigantic in these so have a couple of thoughts everybody using <hes> while i guess that's spruced up says a different the thing maybe they use spruce browse in their water to enhance that spruce tip flavor but really what i'm thinking is when you've got those rings of quake yeast hanging up are are you not in fact collecting other wild yeast with that is quite so powerful that over it dominates the other yeast does that is that what keeps it pure or is it kind of an evolving elving yeast culture well. I think the answer is yes. Assets that powerful because if you analyze if if you win in these these g strains <hes> the people bringing in the united states that people are using the farmhouse it you you will discover lots of other potential souring microbes an organism's when you pitch a good healthy amount of fos you and do not end up at the sour beer and the lesson that teaches us beyond norway is beer three four hundred years ago was not necessarily sour for <hes> when you had a good healthy sacks strain in there that would go in and dominate and you you create beers that were not sour see. I just don't know what to believe anymore. Out here. 'cause routes is true. What would not have been sour. Apparently yeah put on a ship sailed across the ocean. Throw it at someone else's castle to take them out the eastwood overtake them and then ferment them. It would be a delicious beer. I'd love to go out sometime and explore the you know the viking norwegian farmhouse all of that and just experienced that experienced that one on one see what's going on listen to bear guy's radio show. We're going to take another break but we we'll be back soon to talk more withstand craft beer forged with a reverence for tradition and new styles they start a revolution ironmonger brewing the brewers ironmonger ruin pride themselves at being masters of barely edged poppy and sour beers the invites you to their taproom in marietta georgia to taste and see also visit their barrel room for an intimate drinking experience with great live entertainment keep up to date on all things ironmonger by liking them on facebook ironmonger brewing establishing a new standard in craft beer <music> beer guys on facebook twitter and instagram now back to the beer guy's radio show welcome back bergaz radio show. 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The two parts are first of his the business part. Which is there's a the way things work. Backwards are the largest breweries in the world need hops that are high in alpha even though they create beers with very little bitterness but they are the biggest buyers of that. If alpha falls short then you can get this trickle down effect which other hops become more expensive. That's what happened <hes> twelve years ago with the short-term <unk> hop shortage to wear all of a sudden cascade which is sold for two or three dollars. A pound was selling for thirty dollars the pound out because it was the only way to get alpha so during much of the season at at at the early part of the season in europe was really good than it got dry and hot there were two gigantic heat waves across germany and some concern <hes> into august e cool. We'll down more rain. It looks like it's going to be an average season which means for many american brewers who do not have contracts tracks to buy varieties. Even a popular varieties be at centennial citra mosaic. They're counting on on buying those what's available up that they are not going to abuse for alpha so that's good news. It's generally been a good hop growing season but there are were some issues so <hes> this year the biggest gains were if mosaic and sit there ahead not gone up planting we would actually planted fewer hops. What's this year in the northwest than we did last year but lots of sitra mosaic mosaic looked pretty solid <hes> the citra babies is there are a variety of issues with those so you can see some brewers this year whining about. They can't get the citra. They can't make the beer that they want to make <hes> which means spillover for home brewers is down the road central is going to be hard to get. Maybe more expensive. I think at least for home brewers because i think <hes> what's the one they're chasing samco. Which one is it. That's centennial. Centennial burs talk about the centennial and <hes> centennial difficult because it's a it's been a hard hop to grow. It doesn't yield as much in their lottery regions of you've. You've had a lot of acres. There's added in southern idaho. Centennial doesn't <unk> southern idaho centennial likes northern idaho but of course there's only one farm in northern uh-huh and nasa anheuser-busch are i. I've heard a lot of people talking about galaxy and i thought that might be a bigger thing but it sounds to me like centennial l. Citra simcoe are really still the stars of the show in terms of what's being grown well. I won't galaxy and nelson sullivan from the southern hemisphere or really big it but the acreage is too small on those <hes> so there's <hes> i mean there's a lot more galaxy than there is nelson sullivan and a and and both those hops are more than half. That's grown in that region and you can't put too much. I mean the hops within a region cannot dominate one one variety because you realize hops are going to be picked over afford a six-week margin and and there are those varieties are going to be ask with in inside of a week so right now. Citron mosaic wanna be picked at the same time so that really puts a strain on the farms in the choice would be they would need to have more <hes> picking an hop if you think what what is the hot pick on a small scale. It's still a machine. I mean that does this work at the scale of in the yakima valley. It is the size of a large warehouse. If this this gigantic contraption or hops bouncing all over the place and to put in a facility that will pick another six hundred acres. It's is million dollars. Wow so it gets hard today and and then you need to put in more killing floors saw all of these things become an issue you up when i was down in south america tasting a lotta i._p._a.'s that <hes> have onion garlic flavor and is is that do they notice and complain about that there or is it accepted well. The the brewers don't like to point out okay <hes> some consumers noticing addison <hes> some go. I guess this is what they're supposed to taste lack in almost every case when i talk to him i would ask them that they were beers just ahead mosaic and <hes> and what they haven't looked at because they do have bags that have their lot numbers on them. They hadn't looked at the lot number wanderer who really does notice that i was. I was telling him you. You need to get everybody in this region organiz so you begin to understand what you have <hes> but mosaic because in example is if it's pick late and if it's killed at higher temperatures at because again you have to hurry getting those through the kiln then they are are then. You're gonna start to get your garlic. That's interesting. I've noticed that and beers have never figured out exactly what it was. I honestly thought it had to do with using something doing something crazy like using amarillo bettering hop. I thought that's really what it was and somebody had mentioned that but now it sounds like it could just be the hard harvest redness reparation the hops themselves it can also be an error during the brewing process but more likely for one thing amarillo being example <hes> if you go back her <hes> before two thousand twelve amarillo was grown on one farm and so it was picking on pick on both sides of the window and and i had a friend who was at a brewery in he got him into the state does not use amera <hes>. He got amarillo in the pellets. Come in the pellets smell like onion garlic in any any took them all out in in a put him in those plastic containers with a lid garbage they they were they were small enough any walk around and shake him everyday and then pop the lid with hope that they were cleanup in and the hostile likening earning say. I was gonna say that would be impressive. Did kinda shake it off a little bit of a tangent here but i think this is something that our listeners would probably be interested to know denali the hawks getting a rename. Is that right. They're going to be sultana. Yes and that's due to a rights. Issue is at denali brewing. <hes> in in the same thing happened with your call in two thousand fourteen <hes> h._c._c. three sixty six was named equinoxes the announced this in denver. You're standing on the floor at c._b._c. In denver going you do know. There's a brewery just up. The road called equinoxes and sure enough. Those people came in and said we. We have a trademark on this and in the case of and i can't tell you the number hop steiner puts like five numbers on the top so it's seven five three four two who in it's definitely not the number so it was known by that name they named at denali ali brewing said we have a trademark they went back to calling a by the number and then they named it after a not so well named a well known alaskan mountain saul tom. You're okay still keeping the thing there then right but that's because denali got hot. We've seen that in a lot of issues and it's it's very nice hot. You know the good thing is is when they start using saul telling glenn people don't listen to the show and don't know that they can start pitching it as a new exciting hop like all the i love salt on. I can't stand denali. They're not using that anymore. The the people will come up with the denali. Sultana blend those data. That's using both of somebody selling their old hops off name the next on the on the tour for you you go where you headed to neck <hes> missoula montana for the montana brewers conference. I look forward to having their beers and talking to them about the establishing montana beer in its own terroir. That's going to be fun and stan. You sit on a newsletter. If people want to subscribe to that it's appalachian beer dot com k. p. p. e. l. l. a. t. I o. n. Appalachian if your name amos hieronymus you should not have a blog site with appalachian. You spend all your life. Spelling things stand iran mrs appalachian beer site dot com so that's it no styling. Thank you so much. Join us always learn a lot having a good time. Thanks for inviting absolutely we hope to have you. We'll have you back. You know. Things have been a little over a year since you're on before. We'll do it again sometime sometime. Well that about wraps it up for this episode of the beer. 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PlayStation party chat / The Completionist

LAN Parties: A Video Gaming and Esports Podcast

1:15:50 hr | 3 months ago

PlayStation party chat / The Completionist

"Abner Mars is a world champion boxer, Olympian sports commentator, and most importantly dad to two little girls. Beloved by Oh boy La's and hardcore fans alike atvs, pruitt entertaining the world both in and out of the ring. On blue buyers new podcast on the hook with Abner Mars we'll hear from abner, his family fellow athletes and other people who made him the boxer in the man he is. They chat about topics like the state of boxing and Abner S- journey from a kid on the streets to boxing champ. Listen to on the hook with Abner Mars wherever you get your podcasts episodes in English out on tuesdays and episodes in Spanish out on Wednesdays. And welcome the LAN parties episode forty from the Las Vegas Review Journal to you by Bet Online. I am your host Ryan Smith and with me as always is my co host Lucas Again Lucas what is going on my friend? I am doing well just I went back to super value rose thirty five a had to see if I could back it up didn't win again. But I had a couple of top five a couple seconds. So I think I think that's enough validation that I'm actually okay at it. However, you tune right? Not Bad man again, I've been on that destiny to grind playing metal gear solid five. Just kind of waiting waiting for these next gems to drop waiting for some games to come out here in the fall beyond light for destiny too. So I I would like to say I got a little more gaming in but work wise. It has been super busy. So I've been on that were grind for sure but overall has been pretty good Lucas. A special guest today please tell us. We do. This is somebody that I'm a fan of personally. So I am super pumped for this opportunity for us to talk to him. You know him online as the completion EST terrar-. Thank you so much for joining us today. You're having me guys, I appreciate it. No problem I I've you know what I get excited for all our interviews but this one's still extra special just because I I love your channel and I think you do a great job so I'm I'm ready to dive right in and If you could just take me back what started you in wanting to not just beat a game but a hundred percent, a game and how to your channel can develop in your mind when did that start to kind of come to fruition for you? Home my gosh. It all started a million years ago I so growing up I, I'm the youngest of five in a in a family of seven and Mind my parents I was on individual games, and so my brother got the any ass and when I was. Probably, four years old I got the Super Nintendo. And My parents they were concerned that I was beating the Games too quickly. So what they do is they told me that. They would take me to blockbuster or Hollywood video. Now, for those guys who don't with that, those stores are. You can rent movies and they had a section where you could rent a video games and so. My parents basically told me that I could not buy video games I had to rent them unless I really really really wanted them. I can get them on birthdays and such so. A lot of my my completion EST inspirations, kind of stemmed from showing my parents that I completed the game. As I couldn't rent or buy a new one. So that was kind of where. At a young age I learned. That I liked to complete games that was my whole thing. I kind of secretly when I was a teenager in high school I kind of stopped playing video games Game Cube ps two in xbox generation that I just. Kind of forgot about missed out on this because I had a growth spurt in high school I. Lost On away in I started performing in doing feeder in television and film stuff. So I kind of forgot about video games and then. When I went to. College. I was packing my things up and moving in I recognized that I didn't really have. All. That many things to take with me except for video games, I had my Miami ask the SNES and sixty four, the PS one ps two, the Xbox Gamecube, and so I took it all with me because I was like you never know when someone's going to want WanNa play a game when we're up there. And You know I when I went up there I didn't have a we or I didn't have I had a we didn't have a PS three sixty in. So Told myself I was going to try to get es three in and be the cool guy with all the technology up in college and I. Ended Up Winning Guitar Hero Competition at at on campus like my first week of school and I want and I wanNA ps three and eventually I kind of became. The Rock Band Guy that Guitar Hero Guy I had all the Plastic. Instruments and I was the guy in college everyone came over to the to that apartment me and my remain in you just you played rock band and guitar hero for hours on end we drink in play rhythm games and Yeah. That that's kind of where I restarted my journey through video games again. When I was in college eyeing I, knew that youtube is going to be the future. I had this inkling feeling that people were going to be using this platform for so many things from walk throughs to reviews to comedy shows and so. I was on Youtube for five years before I started the completion Est. so there's a, there's a five years of attempts of me. Trying to start a youtube show trying to do sketch comedy trying to do video game content. Act, it's not trivial because it was the last thing I tried video game content was the last thing that I was going to do before I gave up I had done sketch comedy I had done. A lot of original short films and such and. I didn't quite understood I. Didn't understand how Youtube worked. I didn't know the system didn't know how that whole subscriber thing was what the culture of it. In. So When I graduated from College and Twenty Eleven I had just given up on doing a cooking show. I. Did I did a comedy cooking show called now you're man the cooking show and it was a fake cooking show about this like my friend Jimmy who was not Like a man and he wasn't. Like a Gamer but like it was funny because he had really disgusting recipes and so we thought, okay what can make a youtube show where this nerdy guy is making these really Manley. Recipes with like Bacon and cheese and fast food and all this stuff and then I found mealtime and realized I was too late. You know. I basically made time. In a long form twenty, thirty minutes show with a lot of of fake chauvinistic humor I say fake chauvinist humor because it wasn't meant to like actually be chauvinistic. It just was like meant to be. So over the top in ridiculous via chauvinistic humor that you're like there's no way I got could exist because it's like this is a bad human being that is is is is making awful food and we made we made about seven episodes of that and moved back home and those videos views we got anywhere from five ten thousand views. So I was like figuring out the locomotion of how Youtube worked by hadn't quite. Narrowed it down in so I went to high school with a guy named Jon Jafari. who was a WHO started a youtube channel called John Tron and he? Did A lot of video game review stuff. He was super into things like a BGN that guy with the glasses anchorage. Oh, like he he was really inspired by these guys and I never heard of any of these things before i. didn't know what they were. I had no idea what he was talking about but I did have a film background and he wanted. To make his episodes and videos a little more cinematic. So you know I took my camera over there, my my lights and my audio, and I helped them film some of their earlier John Tron episodes that he I think he took most of the ones that we did together down or or or a couple of them are still up on on different websites but Yeah. He and ice forming. An old friendship we started helping extra to helping him more and more than one day. He called me out of the blue and said Hey. I. Have some Internet friends coming over to my house. I've never met them before in my parents won't them come over because I live with my parents house, Anita a place for them to hang out and do called the livestream could you help out with this and a little John know that I had been live streaming on on small platforms for years on things like you stream and Justin Dot TV and streaming wasn't a big thing back then and so I said, yeah bring on on over and he he brought over this woman named Brooke who goes on Youtube by dodger for her youtube. Channel are continue and this Guy Aaron who has a youtube channel called eager raptor who doesn't they missions and so the two of them came into my house as strangers and I had no idea who they were didn't know anything about their content actually no I was I actually liked dodgers content I knew dodger was edna who Aaron was and They came over and hung out on my house and when they weren't on camera with John and our other friends from high school hanging out playing games we'd go to the side and we just like have conversations about movies about about cinema and in Youtube and and food and and just games overall. and. I remember that Zan, my friends Zan Aaron, and I we we gone to my car during some of the brakes and would like go to best buy the best by the time and I buy some electron ix. We got some food and I just Kinda like played twenty questions with him and asks like all these different questions about youtube how he started and he was very kind in in cordial and in in very honest and open and gamy great insight and advice. And later that night. That stream. Kinda. Came to an end. It was midnight. One, am and. Aaron had gone Home Brooke had gone home. It was just John John had too much to drink, and so he was going home and so it was just means Zan in my laptop computer that was streaming, and so we say good night everyone we're gonNA end the Stream. and. There was like. It was about seven thousand people in this chat the seven thousand people because he will again, all their wells was twitter and facebook. So no one really knew. What a livestream was and so saw this platform, this video feed of people that they admire dodger eager raptor, John, Tron, playing video games. So they're like holy. Sorry. Holy Crap is a huge opportunity people live. I'm going to watch this and so the Stream is over they stopped they went home. Xanana guys tonight. We're GONNA turn the stream down and turn it off and the chat was like no. Don't. Keep streaming. And so ZAN streamed for another. Fifteen hours. We just kept going and We got fan art we got animations we got facebook pages in means made about us. We made them jokes the whole time in, and it's actually where the term but bearman came from from the early completion. EST dance because people in the shower call me birdman beard beard dude and it just like. Because I had a big beard and and You know after that stream is over. I was like, how do I? How do I do that again, how do I? How do I create that that? In. That connection in a natural way or it's not gross it's not monetary but it feels welcoming and feels and feels like I can grow and so Streaming wasn't there yet in any streaming wasn't going to be the way for me to start but I knew that this was the gateway to Youtube, and so the next day I quit my job at best buy I took two months to make the first episode of the completion EST and Aaron and John and their Youtube friends who are now my friends they were kind. Enough to share my video and it went viral because of them and even idea youtube in twenty eleven is a very different youtube. Now in two thousand eleven if a youtuber liked or commented on video than a Youtuber was born, that's just how it worked. It was it was almost like you're given a golden a golden coin in that golden coin brought you luck and so. My very first video out the gate got a million views. It was shared on tons of websites and I. Just was given a career overnight I went from from two thousand subscribers to almost eight thousand over the course of a week and so. I knew this was the beginning and I just had to keep doing it, and so I made the second episode. The next week in that video did not go viral to knock in a million views. It got like a couple thousand. So I learned early on that my. Fame my start to fame. Is something that is going to take some time I have to be okay with mediocrity to be okay with not everyone showing up at to be okay with just. ME. Existing and failing and trying and trying again, and so I I tried to establish. Early on that I was going to have a schedule. That would not be deferred. I'd I'd always video once a week once a week man versus game that was the commitment. So Friday I pick a game Friday Saturday Sunday I'm completing the game Sunday Monday and burning a script Tuesday Wednesday. I'm voice over editing Wednesday Thursday Friday I'm editing episode comes out Friday night pick new game ended that again and again and again and again and again four. Four. Years. From twenty eleven until until. Twenty fifteen I did it by myself in that same kind of insane work cycle. And I had a friend of the time Greg. My my my best friend were no longer friends because of of the Internet and just our relationship not working out because of business he did help early on but most of the work was on me most of the investment, the money, the time, the blood sweat tears design everything was intrinsically me and he just Kinda helped out a lot with the with the jokes in the punching up of facing things like that. But in twenty fifteen, we separated ways in decided to change fundamentally how I presented the show and that was journeying itself because I went from being like. Underdog. Man at the people to I WANNA say like corporate villain just because I own a company and I started to try and make things legitimate and the narrative changed in I. for a couple of years. I was very terrified of Youtube in my audience and and the product that I was making just because I was used to everyone enjoy it. I was making supporting that I was making two. People Dachshund me coming to my house harassing me death threats. You know. Hating my content without even watching it. Starting up conspiracy theory threads that would that would go on for for years and so you know I've had a very. Complicated relationship with the Internet and and success. In it's been one that I'm constantly learning from every year when that's constantly. Scary in and hard and quite honestly. I know everyone out there who's listening to watching this in the ethos of the world wants to become a content creator. They want to become a streamer, they want to be a podcast. There is a very scary dangerous side that people don't know exists and you know it's there until you achieve it and once you achieve it it's You, you don't really recognize who you are anymore what you value in in kind of the the way that people see you you. You lose sight in what you present yourself and your pretty you present yourself as in. It's definitely been a a big journey I just recently celebrated nine years of completing one game a week every week I met. Amazing. Yeah I I've completed three hundred eighty four games I every completed. Out. Of the one hundred and twenty original episodes of Greg, I have completed one hundred games. I've got twenty left. So all in all I've completed I think if you do the math, I will have completed at this point. About five hundred, twelve games. Mike that. So. Yeah. That is amazing. And you know it's there's so many things that that you said they're just from I mean literally going from, you know you have the the theater and film background that kind of evolved and you started on a earlier on you know in in Oji periods when Youtube and social media and live streaming was really starting to kind of take off and those earlier stages and kind of navigating through that I mean it's completely changed how we interact with each. Other or you know Kinda bob become communities and and doing that. So like the evolution to to do that and go through it I mean you're going through it live you went through it live, and then you were you were you know springboard it from you know, hey, man I got this vision. This is what I'm. GonNa do you went forward and all of a sudden like on a huge stage you know that's on his platform and people in our coming at you. Every direction I I mean I can't imagine you know internally what you'd be going through. Yeah. I don't know how else to describe it other than chaotic is hell. And one. That constantly reminds me how I got here. Just because you never really truly know you really you never really truly know how far. How far it goes until you've seen it all and. Every year something changes every year there's so many different. It's a scary place if you were like, Hey, started started career right now in twenty twenty I would say no, I would I would pack up my things and go home. I would much rather go work at a Games company or or or games media press I could not start a career now. The way that Youtube does its business how traces partners, how the algorithm works. It. Fundamentally speaking. A lot of who I am as a person as a creator is changed. Obviously because of the personal drama, but melodic can't comes down to how you trained its audience in really seems like a hamster in a wheel. And at some point. That wheels gotta give the hamsters got to give and. It's the treadmill it just never ends. You're always you always create something, and if you miss a week, you're in trouble and nowadays for my channel specifically. Celebrating nine years. It's kind of bittersweet because this year there is a pretty big algorithm change that for the first time ever really hit my channel in a scary way in it's hit a lot of creators. In scary ways a lot of them aren't saying anything because they're scared. We're all scared because. There's no answers. Everytime we talk about a publicly or if we talk amongst friends. We talk about a publicly their careers out there. They're. They're the audience. Internet just goes like shut up. Your content sucks. That's why. And it's like well. No, a switch was flipped. There's there's data to prove that a switch was flipped and things changed when you talk to other creators. Other succeeding go. There's nothing wrong. Right. Because there is nothing wrong for them? But that's for them. there. Are Tons of people out there who are struggling. And That's just what Youtube is. They just change switch in that's it and so. A lot of my focus in the last eighteen months has been not leaving youtube but creating other sources of revenue to keep my team. Safe from from in you because you never know just wake up today in my counts gone and that's it. For no reason or for reason, that's I think is unfair but it's their platform I signed up to use youtube. To fall by their rules and regulations and algorithms even if I don't know what those are because their documents are getting more convoluted or not sharable. So you know it's it's a scary place. It's a scary career It's not all. It's not all Internet money. You know if you if you see with a million views, it did not make a million dollars and people have people have the dissociate that it's not the same thing. You know. Considering the. The roller coaster ride that that you've been on. And you know when when you just said that if you were thinking about starting in two thousand and twenty, you'd say, no, what has kept you at it through these years I know that that there's a good number of people that would say this isn't worth it. It's affecting my well being It's just not worth to keep going what what's caused you to continue through the years. What's caused me to continue over the years is a few things. The biggest one is the fans so many people have changed my life for the better. The. The fans that I've met the have become my friends the fans that I've met that have continue to support me over the years. You know. I am first name basis with a lot of my fans that I that I have seen in my discord to my twitch because. Their people and I've gone to know them and respect trust them. And I try my best to do as much as I can, but the reality is. I one man for one point, three million people and I can't. I can't open the floodgate all the time but you know the fans the biggest thing the fans of the big reason why I keep going because without them I wouldn't have a career without them. I wouldn't have the lucky life that I have. You know I bought a home couple years ago I have a car and I've got a beautiful girlfriend and dogs like I. This careers giving me my life and I gave my life to it in the beginning and it only. As got more complicated. It did reward me and it did provide for me in a lot of that is because of the people who support me the big re the second big motivator is is My my company and not not like the stocks and the money in the in the resource is it's the people in my company. It's the people who who helped me write the completion as to help me produce the episodes who helped me edit, who helped me plan things like indie land and the charity events that were doing and working with with companies like Nintendo and Sega and Microsoft and being able to have these These moving relationships to help build our business. You know without my team. I. Wouldn't I would still be one guy in the room and I probably would be a lot on I'd be way more unhealthy I'd be way heavyset way heavy said already m I would probably would have stopped the show or had the manic breakdown but I've been lucky to have the support system. That is my my my team people don't know this but there are. People who pay attention might know this but people multiple don't We have a company of Twenty people to look out for and nut nine of them are co our our employees, eleven or contractors, and my goal is to make all of them employees. So I can provide things like benefits, things like healthcare things like Company cars and cell phones but we're just we're never at that point we we we have been doing this for nine years, but it always feels like we've kind of been waiting in the wings to get our opportunity and a lot of that comes down to finances allow that comes down to to creating sources of revenue that that make sense and that's that's that's what I feel. I get criticized a lot on people who don't know the channel a lot of a lot of criticisms I get online aren't from like haters are even from fans. It comes from people who who are doing the same thing that I'm doing. And they're angry at what I'm doing and going why can't that be me? And why don't I have the same successes and then it becomes Oh. You had that success. But you are complaining about you are whining about it you like, why why are you running your business this way? That's not a smart way to do business. If I had a you had, I would do it better. You are ruining your shot and it's like. Yeah okay, kid. It's not the same Mike. You can be a nineteen year old kid. You can be a fifteen year old kid or it can be a fifty five year old dude. It doesn't matter like until you're in the shoes that I'm in, you can't compare them in the complicated situations attached to it is way different and It's it's you know the team keeps me motivated the team keeps me thriving I I wanna be able to say that. That not only do I own a house, but the team members who give me their blood sweat and tears as I give them also own a home and also started families in also or having kids, and also you know what I mean like I want them to have a life as much as I have a life and the reality is as much as I do have a life I still don't have a life I'm still in the business I'm still completing games. I'm still trying to make more and more money so that way. I can't get back to the team who's given me my life. And I feel that's a that's a the trade of any good leader is you know you you elevate yourself a new you also bring other you know bring people up that that helped to elevate and stuff like that as well. So you know that's completely understandable. Let me let me just switch years real quick and and get a little kind of focus on a games here I I. I have to know you know you're you. You hundred percent games. How do you go about handling like DLC's in this in this world of of life service, games and things like that like how does that change how you go about handling these games it? It changes a lot of how I feel about the games I think it changes a lot of my perspective and how I appreciate the Games DLC and season passes I'm okay with I think the way I see it is. If Disney releases, pirates of the Caribbean, right in everyone loves that movie. We, only get to celebrate that movie when it's playing on TV again or if we buy the BLU ray, right so it's liking that means that we get to enjoy a film. From preview, you know when the trailers are dropped to in the movie comes out to seeing the movie to the DVD in the BLU ray box set and then seeing it every now and then on TV unless it's a sequel, right? Unless we see the sequel coming or there's two trilogies whatever maybe. A movies life cycle production from start to finish anywhere from one year to three years depending on writing and production and stuff but generally speaking eighteen months is like a good local number two. No. Okay. Games is not the same as that. Developers. Work on something for three to five years sometimes from five to seven years in three to seven years. You're having children you're having birthdays you're having funerals you're having life things change how you create the thing you're working on. Which means that who you are we sort of working on this game is not the same person anymore obviously right and so. Imagine if you put in five years of your hard work. In new output, this game in comes out. And then it's just that's it. It's forgotten about there's no conversation. It's just like it's out there and you have to hope that people buy it the hope that youtubers play streets streaming in. You have to hope that your game is good enough to be recognized by your peers by the people you develop games with the companies you're up against. And you have to hope that there is a certain model that will just take off from it now in most cases of your independent developer. You're by yourself. It's you and your team. Maybe, a community manager, maybe a PR from the locked business with which hopefully will do a good job, but it's a risk. If your AAA company. Your success money. Right right. So. If the game don't work pump money into it. I create a bad product. It's not ready for market. Great. Put more money into fixing it. You Save it or let as it is flounder who cares let's take a loss. So. That's where the debate of deal see and and games service comes into play right because Dale seem in in the in the early years of DLC, there was the stigma. That people shouldn't have to buy DLC for a game that feels as if they're gonNA release a special edition that has all of it or they're going to release. More content after the fact when really the developers conniving and there's actually it's all part of the budget and they've known about the D. L. C. N. and they're just doing it to get money. Well, some companies. Yeah. If you look at the Big East Yeah. There's of course what they're doing. But is that every company that every game absolutely not and? And I think that's where we have to learn to forgive into understand a bit more because there are Cuba out there who Who Don't want to say goodbye to Shovel Knight who don't want to say goodbye to to hollow night they don't WanNa say goodbye to into the gun right? They want more content they want more time they want more investment they wanna be able to keep playing this game because the experience is so fun and they hope that there's a sequel they the spin they hope there's movies and anime and original cartoons like that's the hope Dream Drina every game developer wants you wanNA property you're building. But game as a service. In my opinion is designed to just take your money. There is no end point. The design of it is to keep you playing. And whether or not you have a good time is your prerogative you I mean you know destinies a great example of a game that. People put a lot of time in money in both the consumer side and the development side right and now I'm not I don't play destiny. I'm sure I'm sure you guys do I totally do. So. So to me though destiny is in my eyes is a better way of doing games service because it's not quite games to service it to me I view it more as it's an ongoing game, right? It's like your world of warcraft and you're. The memo's where you're buying upgrade packs and expanse to get more content to fundamentally change the game is made in developed in and pushes them forward. But Games is a service in premium games you know it. It changes a lot of how you play in experience because the Meta changes. I recently just completed Adventures. which is a pure games as a service platform. No matter what anyone will tell you that is a game as a service platform and It was not marketed as such. It was not advertised as such until the very end and. When you play it it's a lot of fun but there's a big asterisk with it and it's the game is not ready to come to be released. There's not enough content to keep playing and the content that is there that I would want to unlock. It's been hours of time investing in I have to spend real world dollars to unlock or just give time. And That's what it comes down to is you have to decide is your time worth it And that's I, mean that's why I don't like those games because. I like when games end I like when there is a an end point I like a conclusion. And not every game pass that. So You know it's funny. Just just a quick tangent on on avengers there. I totally agreed with the video video you put out the actual campaign gets like the spirit of what I want from a superhero game like it's it's there but then surrounded by everything else and it's a little frustrating. It's a little frustrating like the story itself, the campaign itself. I loved I had fun with it in if it was just that but longer and fleshed out I would have been in love with that game. Yeah Absolutely I mean I I feel like games, the service, a lot of them. You know what I mean they always they're always rough starting out there never they never feel complete and I have very similar feeling playing as well, and it's like. It the. Not, enough content. The justify going back and playing because it. It then becomes a very repetitive and it's still fun getting no gold Chinese and whatnot. I don't know anybody and I haven't double checked but like I know like I think there was an issue of people getting the actual exotics. I don't know that anybody's gotten exotics like there's just weird like there's things that you know again for I wish more of those resources were put into the story extending that and really really fleshing that out and not worrying so much. About the other end of it. I sorry I'm just I'm. I spent two hundred and fifty hours playing that game. So I'm like. Trying to like. Wait what level are you are you in the One? Like one fifty s? Yeah. Yeah? Yep. I use with with almost every character. It was a very rough platinum to get. It barely worked to get the platinum a lot of things wrong with the game that like you know there's like A. Like farm for fifty, a high missions I deform seventy five to get them. ooh. Yeah it was just. Constant pain in the ass across the board. And Yeah it's pretty. Yeah. That's I think we in the conversation, their games nervous shift. Service is is a fun idea on paper. Until, you realize the beast that can become. You know if if I could ask you out. The vast number of games you have completed, what what game did you have the most fun completing and what Game Did you? I don't say, Hey, but did you have the least fund completing? Again, ask these questions a lot and I don't know how to respond because. It's not even so much playing the game was fun or not fun so much as it was making a story or a video about the process fund or not you know that the narrative aspect of the completion EST is so much more difficult than the actual completing of the game because enough people out there to know how to cheese things right. You can use guides you can use glitches, thorough ways to cut corners to optimize your time, which is basically what I do I basically become like a a regular speed running away where I have to learn. The Games quickest possible more to meet the deadline of putting out one video a week but. I think if I were to the chock it up to anything. I would say that had the hardest game ever had to complete. I mean, that's the thing when you say hard like to me, it's too. It's two prong. Is it like hard because it's difficult or hard to complete because there's so much content those are two different things because difficulty is one thing length of content is another. I recently just completed crash bandicoot four. It's about time. And Games now for two weeks now there are only forty people with the platinum and I was like number twenty five so like. That was a rough game to complete because there's so much so many gems so many levels so many things but if one game that I that, I, that I wish I did not complete. was. Probably Higher Warriors. that's a game that. Completion criteria because it's a warriors game is determined. By your overall level of characters in the game. So when I completed the game originally took me roughly two hundred and fifty six hours to complete. That was the base game. In the time that the base game came out to win higher words edition came out. There were five deal see maps. God extra difficulties, challenge modes added in over. Twelve new characters added to the gate. So by the end of the game. When I got the definitive edition of the game in either complete it and I'm still completing it for new game plus I have spent over. Twelve. Hundred hours playing this game. Wow because in order to complete the deal see maps, you need to have characters hire enough level. Or else you can't beat those missions. So. At this time I have every character maxed out. I HAVE BEATEN EVERY DEAL CMAP I've been every main story. I have every achievement except for one or two, which are very easy to get. The only thing I have left is the challenge mode. There are three challenge moans you have to beat with every character. And to give you an idea, one challenge mode has three challenges. One John Jones has h challenges only one road has six challenges some like that so. You do the math. Twenty four to twenty, eight characters. Times. What three? Challenges Twelve challenges. Accurate. Left. Let. Let me rephrase that slightly then when you are crafting the narrative one when you're making these videos. What sorts of games are the hardest or what sort of experience is hard for you to craft those narratives around? I almost as jokes that can you ask that question in the phrase of of what is statement? was try to boil it down a little more specifically. Ask The question again. Yes. So so you you mentioned that Sometimes, it not necessarily the complaining of the game having to form the narrative in your videos. And so what what about a game or what about an experience would make that more difficult than other games like would what kinds of games are most challenging to form those narratives around? Games that don't have a long game play loop or games that are very easy. So anytime. I do a Kirby video I'm always like this is the worst ever made. Curbing, his meant to be accessible to everyone dying is no consequence. The level designs are are specifically designed to save the player not harm the player. And It's difficult. To say anything PHILOSOPHICAL ABOUT A, flying puffball. and. Also it's difficult to talk about games like five minutes of Freddie's or or until use game where the gameplay experience lasts no more than three to ten hours. Just because Samara Mario were completely the back of my hand in a matter of seconds right. But I have years of experience doing that and I have years of being able to be like look cool. This level is cool. The design of this character is because it's has a purpose you give me five minutes of Freddie he's not like. You're a security guard at a pizzeria for some weird reason and these hammocks trying to kill you and the game play loop is you check the vents you check your your cameras to check the battery, check the doors, and that's the game, and then it just gets harder every night and that's it and people who make those videos. The finest fitness videos that get millions and millions of us, it's not because the game play loop it's not because of the design of the game it's not because of of how long the experiences it's because there is a Meta narrative happening in all these games and there's a see through wine and the theories that are built within the see through lines or why people watch him play those games because it's creating a larger story out of a out of a tragedy that that doesn't really it's that isn't existing in this game so. It's hard to have a Around that other than when five creates something like the four twenty where or or ultimate mode where it's The game at the hardest setting. And how the game rewards you for that Scott Coffin. Watch content in the early days of five minutes of Friday's because when he made his when he made three. I call them out and said Hey Scott in for Nov one two you went ahead and gave me a star for doing the hardest thing after you didn't. I made that. Video. By the end of the weekend, a Freddie's three got patched to have a star. And I didn't get the star because the game didn't think I did it so I Had to do it again to get the star. So it's a weird thing, right? Like it's a weird. Give and take that I. Do have this cruel pool to like influence the community at large. But again, it's hard to craft a narrative especially because the narrative for the completion for so long in this is this is this tell you how my mind thought about the thing I made versus how the audience thought about what I made. In my mind, the early years, the completion EST were manners Mercer's game. Every week will hear what he completed. That's what I thought. The show was about. So I tried to make that show have steaks and have moments of triumph and moments of failure, and then I realized that, Oh, I'm the completion Est.. I completed every time. Know that I completed otherwise, I wouldn't have made a video. So. If, if if I'm completing a game And you know a complete it. Then why the hell are you watching my video? You know I'm going to do it. So couple of years ago we kind of try to reinvent the wheel and we said well, if we can't. Intrigue the viewer of will he won't he? Then, let's try to intrigue the viewer of the process. What's it like to complete this game? How does it affect how I ingest the game? It the Games fun to play if I am playing it for what it's worth but I if I'm completing it. Has An affect my enjoyment. If I play a game like Marvel's avengers and just play it. Is that a different experience than it is for someone to spend real life dollars and money and time. Into completing it, and that to me is the more interesting narrative that is that has been the focus of the show for probably the last three or four years and It's it's in my opinion it's made for more interesting content in interesting conversation about games and the completion aspect of it. It works two ways. One I did the thing I told you about and to here's my homework. Here's my proof. I did this thing. So you wouldn't have to my evidence that I did it, and so I'm not a games journalist or scholar of the background of gaming. In that way. To, go well, I did spend the time doing this thing. So if that doesn't give authority to believe me I don't know what will. Now, I just wanted to see is there. I know that we're starting to run short here on time. Is there any projects or anything that you're working on for the future? Usually, I would say one or two projects and I would talk about them. I have over. Eight projects that are in production that I can't talk about. A lot of them are very exciting. A lot of them aren't on youtube a lot of them. Are. Future career. Building. Ones, that will hopefully put me in my team in a better in a better position I think we will I think. You know you have a lot a lot of things in the fire that are cooking and we're just kind of waiting to see if if they'll pan out so. Nothing I can really talk about but I will say at the very least that come January of next year. We'll we will have completed four hundred games and we will be filming a new intro for beard mode and I don't know whether it's GonNa. Look like I haven't decided yet people don't know this but every every time we do the intro. Change it. It's heavily inspired by film comics and Games in a way where. If you look at the season Intro, you'll know exactly what inspired it nine everyone talks about that they just judge the intro of its cooler or not. But to give idea the last season of the show episodes two hundred to three, hundred, the inspiration with Scott Pilgrim and you can. You can instantly see it when you when you watch it. Where where can we find you on the INTERWEBS? Then did I answer your question I feel like I just talked for an hour you guys were like cool like. No. Ripe podcast that I just. Condemning nearest to break down and really again, it's so important for us when we're having conversations with people to see that you know everybody or a lot of people see people at their at a successful place, but they don't see and get to hear a lot about what it took to get to that place. Yeah. Absolutely. So? Yeah. So we're we're gonNA find you on the interwebs. Sure. You can find me at YouTube dot com slash that one video gamer. You can find me on twitter at AC, completion EST instagram the completion EST twitch dot TV, slash the completion EST facebook dot com slash the completion Est.. Everything is the completion except Youtube Youtube is that video gamer and that's because someone took the name, the completion EST along time ago and. I knew that going into it, and so I I made it that one video gamer. Gamer on Youtube, which one the completion Est. Oh cool. But that that doesn't resonate at all. Now, that would be the game is basically my company name. So that's kind of how I get away with it. Do you guys want to ask any more questions before we head out because I again I feel bad that I just talked this whole time. I say you're fine people people want to hear Utah they don't want to hear US talk right. Exactly. Not Yeah Yeah. No. No, we appreciate your time again. Thank you so much. And let's take a quick commercial break and we'll be right back guy. Even though sports had a break your business didn't. You have to keep moving and that makes hiring more important than ever. Indeed is here to help. Indeed. Dot Com is the number one job site in the world because indeed get you the best people fast. Unlike other sites indeed gives you full control and payment flexibility over your hiring. You only pay for what you need. 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Thanks to a lack of natural fled schism or commitment or overbearing sports parents fewer than one percent of one percent of one percent of people will ever play professional football. But instead of entering the NFL, they joined another league, the League football watchers. This football season will be different in Pepsi, is here to get you ready for Game Day no matter how you watch. I've excited to watch my favorite team, the green. Bay Packers when another NFC north title this season. Pepsi is the refreshment you need to power through any game day. Pepsi isn't made for those who play the game it's made for those who watch it. Pepsi made for football watching. Welcome back guys. Thanks for listening to those short messages and thank you to the completions for that interview Ryan. I found that interview to be super fascinating. It's rare that you find someone that would say I wouldn't start my career again if I were starting in two thousand and twenty I thought that was incredibly honest and fascinating. Well it's always nice to be able to. Get to speak with somebody WANNA, one and kind of get into their mind a little bit thousand really really engaging conversation and just I mean again how how so much of life and you know Content creation playing games, and how it's all kind of intertwining together and just seeing different people's perspectives completion as again. Thank you so much we appreciate. You coming on here I want to shift some some years ago. We got to we're we're a little less than a month out from the the release of xbox series x slash s and playstation five playstation Sony. They gave us a little another little nugget. We finally got to see the user interface or the home screen for the playstation five I gotTa say, it Looks Pretty Pretty Clean I, love the fact that they held onto. Someone of some of the familiar familiarity of the PS four and having the the box as and being able to navigate the things through through the home scheme. The sorry the home screen but a big change that I think is huge is just how much they they change with being able to access the home screen and options like that directly from in game so Those that have a ps for you know if he hit the playstation button, it takes you out of the game takes you into the home screen this and that now we see something a little bar pop up and they've got this they're calling them cards but you have different cards within the game ill show you information about the game it will show you screen. Shots that you've taken in the game there definitely seems to be more of a shift towards being able to share and interact with people be a your playstation which I really loved the see I love to see that they're kind of you know what I mean that to me is is serving towards the community and for the community to be able to connect easier directly in. Your playstation. The other thing that I was pretty cool was some games and and not all these Games are gonNA have these features I. my understanding is majority of ps four port Dover will but some won't and I'm pretty sure I don't know don't quote me on this but I believe that he has five games we'll have this like in the cars it'll show you on a level say and you're like, oh Man is really late. Should I go to bed? You can go into the car and see how much time playstation predicts that you. It will take you to be a level. So maybe I two hours now I put it down and and come back later only got ten more minutes left. Let's keep grinding. That's really cool something that people are kind of on the fence about is they're going directly within the. Card system they'll link to other videos in there that have like guides and things like that I don't know how many times I've been playing a game. You just get stuck on a level and yet the hop over to a different website and watch a played a play through or something This stuff is going to be within this card system on ps five dude, I, think that is a super. Super Cool feature at Fars with that some other things I know that there's GonNa be some and we'll kind of get into this a little bit. There's some changes to party as well, and then also will will go a little more depth on this. We saw that those of you that have a PS four. You saw that version eight point. Oh, just dropped which were changes to the playstation. Store and I don't know I know. There's a lot of internet outrage as far as with this and I kind of feel like rightfully. So but I I don't know I kind of see where Tony's going with this what were your thoughts on buddy? Yeah. I. Thought the You I looks pretty slick it asks the excitement of course that that there's nothing like when you get your first look of a new system like there's something cool about that right the anticipation building and you get that first glance and oh my goodness it's there. So I thought layover it was awesome. The cards are really interesting and I actually appreciate that because I'm one of those gamers where if I'm getting fed up with the level all just quit. And sometimes, it can take me a long time to come back to a game because I'm like dude, no, and all this think of like that last instance, I couldn't beat that level. Omega. Maroon five. I most infamous game in my own personal game in history was Ninja guided I never beat engine. That game is ridiculously hard I got stuck on like the Third Boston nope can't do it. So to have the ability to find videos that help you through an area. Is for a game or like me is a lifesaver, it'll keep me playing. Keep me finishing games faster like it's a pet peeve of mine I always try to finish stories. I've. Way Spotty Success Record, but I always try. So this will help you keep that momentum because there's nothing worse than getting frustrated and feeling like you're just stuck. So I think that's really cool I am with you with the changes to the playstation store I mean I get I get the of the outrage because of the update the point of day but I also kind of see where he's coming from and I do want to chat with you a little bit about hold they. Unveiled. Their messaging about a change to party. and. It's in theory a good change. But my goodness Ryan, the way they message this was terrible and I don't see how they didn't see the uproar coming based on the way they said it now. There will be the ability to record in party chat and it's four. You know if somebody's being a bully or abusive renting like that for you to be able to record it and report them. So that is a good thing, right? if they would have just been that super clear about it to begin with that would have been great. There was so much confusion at first because people were wondering is Sony actively listening to you is this a feature? On Canzoni, record you without your knowledge like my goodness in today's age. How do you not be crystal clear this. House definitely a boondoggle now definitely boondoggle on their part. Holiday let's can. I saw at you and I'll just like I'm sorry squeeze me. What now I don't think so I mean again for me even when I'm playing on playstation though this isn't really affect me because I use my pc and I just use remote played a project. So, all my voice is you through discord or you know what I mean something like that. I'm hardly even using the the playstation party chat features but yeah, I mean, you gotta be clear about that and essentially it's for if if you are being a bully, you know somebody can then record you and send that to Sony, they are not going to be actively listening to people's conversations but again, this also makes me. Wonder. To like an Oh and at first I did could we were talking about this before we started recording but you know there's laws to where if somebody is not you know if you don't acknowledge and let somebody know that they're being recorded than legal because they don't have permission to be recorded on this article on Polygon and it does state that everybody is opted in to this year's won't have the ability to disable it. On there. So everybody is operatives. So somewhere between the user agreements that we go through from when we first. Anyway, I'm sorry this is active now, right I think so I think. So I think that you have to a point over update I. Think it got built into the a a point no updates. So this is live. Now it's I'm guessing somewhere within the user agreements and all those lines. It says look. You're going to get. You can get recorded at at any point in time if you're a violating stuff and we all just don't read through it and click the button say let's I. WanNa play my games. So, you know that that is definitely you know I guess if we're within their user agreement I'm guessing it somewhere in there. That's how they get around that the legality of it because I don't think it would be. You know I, know it varies I. Think it varies state to state but I don't I don't know that that you could just do that and it not be illegal but I mean again, I I guess, I, I understand where they're coming from as far as with this. Trying to make it a safer place for people you know people are going to the other thing too is. So then if somebody does get reported via party chat, what kind of ban happens? What are the repercussions of this today or ps five or ps four today but ban your Ip Line have they said anything or God in-depth? Repercussions we would see in the future. I see that yet and there's always some secondary concerns that I have. So if you report somebody, right Chances are that are gonNA know it was you I mean I mean most people are smart enough to think Oh, what chat was I being Jerkin? Oh, who was a jerk to? That's probably the person that reported me so I'm always I don't know. I'm always a little worried about that because like what ways can they try and get back at the person that reported them or anything like that? I, also worry about people abusing it. You know not using it I intended purpose and recording just 'cause without. Without. Or without needing to report them so. I. Don't know. It's a good idea I understand why they're doing that because you know as a parent I would be like terrified let kid on the voice chat. because. There are tons of of. Jerks out there I mean, let's let's be honest. There are a lot of people use bad language will insult people like who wants to expose kids to that especially but I just worry that that's going to open that door up to a lot of other use cases that it's not intended to end. Some of those won't be good. Yeah, I have a feeling that this is not going to be the end all be all as far as what the end it is. One of those fluids situations. As they see people gaming system, they'll have to shift and make moves. In order to do it. So I mean again like everything I it's definitely a double edged sword as far as with it however with with those updates at worse some nice things that we found about the PS five within party chat is that they're gonNA allow they're actually going to allow for within party chat you're able to share your screen with other people in the in the party chat you could pin separate people's game plays going I thought that's a really cool feature to be able to see other people I'm wondering if maybe at some point in time they extended to. I'm sorry. What was that was very Sorry of I, was gonna say that that's really cool to have 'cause I always find it interesting because games are such an online focused communication form but the it's never been like bay. It's they've always been a work in progress in finding ways to do things that enhance that. So Island, this is pretty awesome because it it enhances the communication they're. Exactly and I feel I get again kind of goes more towards that. Them trying to get a little more community focused and keeping things within their systems as opposed to people utilizing other tools to able to communicate or broadcast to each other. You know again, it's about connecting and we're connecting be of video games and I'm GonNa feel a lot more. connected. If I could see what what the other person's doing, you know what I mean, and they can see what I'm doing. It feels a little. You know a little a little more connected than it would as opposed to just talking to somebody and not being able to see anything. So I thought that was a pretty cool feature that will be here. In the in the PS five I mean the you is just I mean, this is just clean. It's very clean I. Love the fact that that it's not gonna be so invasive going into the home screen and seeing if you've got a buddy on or trying to connect to a party it all just kind of POPs up underneath in a window. and. It seems like a a lot of the things they're. They're they. They have in mind is to continue to game play. So it's not so start and stop and go back in and and Yadda. Yadda Yadda. So this is exciting I mean we are on the cost of having these things in our hands I am pretty pretty juiced up about it. Meteo, this is the period right when all the cards are getting laid on the table and the new systems are right around the corner. This is. The most exciting time, and this is like Christmas coming early. So I am loving it and I cannot wait until November to get both these systems out there. Yeah. I agree one hundred percent my friend I agree one, hundred percent. was there anything else that you wanted to I? Know that you had said there are some news about. Watchdog. Legions it comes on. October. Twenty ninth and they are saying I eight in Pierce the the character from the first game is going to be a playable in the campaign and customizable I don't know of you guys played the original watchdogs. But it was so underwhelming and just left really sour taste in your mouth. So much. So I didn't play the second one, but I am looking forward to Legion and I think I am going to get legion I'm still kind of up in the air about it but. Having this character that I could care less about in this one does nothing for me it does nothing for me I want to. Show me more about into whoever I want you. Every character essentially is playable in this game I wanna see more about those mechanics and stuff. I don't care about the the original character that was just unimpressed. And I've already forgotten about you. I'm sorry eight and I'm sorry but the Dow design. Know it's funny because originally lead announced him as as deal C. which I didn't care about either. I'll just like you could be the main campaign like okay. Well, I hope I don't come across him because. I'm sorry. The first watchdogs I was all aboard the hype train I got. I. Was at the Midnight Launch at a game stop like I was ready for this game and let me tell you aiden pierce is not a great kid. He's lifeless. He's really not sympathetic bean, and if you remember part of the reason why watchdogs to went. So opposite until own is because nobody liked eight in brave. Right, like a caused, the series to shift dramatically. So I mean. I find it. Funny that the bringing him back I think that like how is this even a selling point like? Well, it looks like you. I'm kind of reading through this and it looks like it says, it says he who he'll be added as a post launch DLC and essentially they're going to be building out the campaign So that is adapted to fit his personality. I don't know what that means. What does that mean? He has no personality though. There's going to be a blank slate. Around either bowing out your phone trying to hack nothing. Yeah I. Yeah, you're right. What does that even mean second do that is not the character to to build suny around the personality not the right one. Weird, move man this is a weird weird weird move. I mean this is coming out soon my only thing is and I need to know and I don't know that there is. Does. This have a free upgrade to PS five. Oh I don't know that off the top of my head. I hope. So because it's coming out here in about ten days, ten eleven or nine or ten days and You know I mean what's the point of getting at this point? We're so close like unless it's on PC I'm not getting any more PS four games. There's no point you know even even with the the upgrade stuff and whatnot like I've I'm done I'm done getting ps four games so you know. I don't know I. I'm torn about this on whether I'm going to get this at launch or just waiting until PS five comes out and get it there or I might just get this on PC. Rate I properly. Wait I mean I. Think I'm GonNa wait because at least then hopefully if there are any kinks that need to be ironed out, they have time by the time by Brian. You're right though it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy a game between now on the launch of the new systems because. They're so close I mean this is a really awkward time. It really is. I don't know they didn't just put your bag until make launch title for for the systems like I don't know it's weird. I mean. If you remember the first watchdogs did technically launch on three sixteen ps three two but it was sold as like a true gen experience on the PS four an xbox one. So it made sense for them to try and do the similar thing here. So I don't know why they didn't do that. Right exactly I don't know man. We're we're weird flex in my. Opinion. Yeah. I will let let's just say this. If I do end up getting this game, I am going to avoid a appears like the plague Yup Yup. No need to see that guy at I do not care I am I am more invested in these random strangers that I can turn into play as opposed who eight and who I've already played done a story and and you know all languid stuff. So anyway we're. We're we're getting close folks we are getting close Lucas, what do you got going on as we weekend my friend? Not a whole lot on my I will see this because we recorded our interview a little bit early. I. Took another first place in Super Mario thirty five so I. Wonder it's two hits. I thought played dude I don't know what my problem is man I need to get on it I need to take some time to get some some some switch games in. It's been a little bit for me. It's G Jason Right be ready for it. addicting. I'll think sometime and I got the I, got the the the recliner downstairs kick up my feet sit there with the game got the projector there. Let's go man I'm ready I'm ready a Yo what what are your plan this weekend? Not Too much I've been I've been going back on vendors recently had an update. I know there's a lot of people that are that are Super Salty on game but you know for me, elise, there be entered they're communicating with the community. They are actively making changes to try to make the game better. People just need to be patient. You know what? I mean again that this whole you. Know people are so quick to jump on that. Hey, train and it's like look man I wanna see this game be great. They're not quite yet but they are actively making changes were starting to see a bit of a roadmap develop for the game So I'm so there I'm still trying to get to that end game level about one fifty. I'm like ninety with Kamala she is my highest. But yeah. Probably probably drying on that and and chill out I know that we we've got We're in that sweet spot here in Vegas where the weather is cool off a bit but it's not too cool yet. So we're looking to re plan are black. With a with grass because our grass died out 'cause we had issues with the water pump. So I'm probably out in the are doing some work my friend. This is such. A joyous time to be in. Vegas. You can go outside and not melt and it's pleasant like this is this is why you live in Vegas this time of year as a whole month of it. Guys. Thank you so much for joining us again here Adlan parties. We appreciate it. Don't forget. They hit us up onto social media. We hope you guys have a great rescue week and you know what it is. We Love Yo races. The wait is finally over her football is back. You might not be at a game this year, but you can still be in on the action at Bent Online. Ben Online. Is going the extra mile to make sure you can get in on every possible chance to win this season. From game spreads and totals to team player and coaching props. Bed Online gives you more options to wager than anywhere else. 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A Shot of Torah: Yom Hashoah Komemiyut: Walking upright

"Downloading shots Tara would lay Kupa put costs from the institute of Jewish. Studies. More original Torah content is at L mod par. Cardis dot ORG. This is lady Kupa coming to from paradise in your shell lime at the end of the book of Leviticus Vicheara. There's a promise the Orlando at him commute, the almighty promises, I will lead. You I will make you walk common me ute in a fashion described as commute and rashy explains. What is coming me yet become Kufa standing upright in my community and sore Hadassa where studying at the moment, the writings of great German. Rabbi rabbi Alfond Moshe Cohen. And he explains the word commute, the double ma'am in the word comment as key Ma a higher KEMA terrar- wants to say that a person is not just standing upright standing troll upright. So this verse this promise is a guaranteed that we will walk proudly. And yet the town would seems to suggest that walking upright is not the preferred posture. The Camara says in Masek it key to sheen Arab Yoshua. Ben Levy, rub your sure Ben Levy said as saw Adum she elect Alba Amort because Kufa a person is forbidden from walking four cubits in an upright posture. And the town would brings a proof text Chanel Meyer Molo, call Haaretz Voto as it says the entire world is filled with the Almighty's on and therefore walking haughtily walking upright. It's as if we're not recognizing the Almighty's presence. And this chimera is Koda fide by monetize. It's also in the show Hannah rook review Cifra Caros compendium of Jewish law. So how is there a promise that we will one day walk upright and yet walking upright walking in a haughty manner seems to be forbidden. The Hasidic master rabbi Moshe of Cabrini in his work tower at avert. He explains. That a person. Who walks? Upright. Is indeed walking in a forbidden my? And a person should always carry themselves. Humbly. Walking in with humility. But the promise is a spiritual promise even physically where walking in a humble way L spirits should stand tall. We should be proud of who we are. When I saw this passage, my friends, I remembered that I was once guiding in Poland. And I was there with a number of other groups David Bernstein Audi n- was there as well. And we were there together with rabbi Shmuel Halpern of blessed memory, a survivor who had been one of the sheen Laden one of the Schindler Jews. A fiery person with tremendous personality, and as we were about to walk into beer canal. He called the senior staff over and he said. Tell them tell the students claiming me use. I have to be honest with you. We didn't really know what he was talking about. And with fire. He repeated tell them claim amuse and took some moments until we understood roofs mall Halpern. The holocaust survivor was saying to us tell the students common me ute to walk into bear canal. Standing upright being proud that. We continue the legacy of our people. Coin meals for all time commute. I will the almighty promises that we will walk out. People will walk standing straight upright and proud. That's all for now till next time to they'd be dry. Sh. Thank you downloading this podcast from the pedestrians to of Jewish studies. A more rigid. Tara content is at Ahmad, departs dot ORG.

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A Masterpiece of Hypocrisy

Armstrong & Getty

39:20 min | 2 months ago

A Masterpiece of Hypocrisy

"Shipped as delivery done differently. Our expert shoppers pickup bursaries but also pet supplies and get great dane savings and deals on tail wagon fades without missing. Any walks worshiped shipped over delivering delivery. The national weather service last night issued a rare tornado warning for manhattan and the bronx in the case of the bronx. The warning was four. The tornado hang around there too long. I get it alario some coming up next segment. We'll do a little around the horn of various leaders who are restricting your life but doing whatever the hell they want with the highlight of course being the governor of california. Who's very sorry that he broke the rules at the fanciest restaurant in the world that play the blame gay. That story all made mistakes in human. We're all fall. Short sometimes vary now okay. It's all right then so listen utterly predictable but it's happened. All of a sudden the news media is saying boy those Anarchist types are reckon stuff in portland like every night. And that's it. It's terrible that's that's it's destruction it's vandalism. Oh oh now you noticed. Well let's just charming the la times with a big piece entitled portland's anarchists say they support racial justice. Black activists want nothing to do with them. Oh wait a minute. La times you just figured that out. It's funny because we've been saying it. For months that the anti fa types in the anarchist had nothing to do with with equal rights for black people and black lives matter is a marxist organization. They're not about traditional civil rights. In americans getting to live here in peace and harmony and and making sure they have their civil now they're marxist organization and suddenly now trump's been beat apparently they figure that out. And i you know. I could bring you there aspects of this. La times story that are there. Actually it's quite good. I mean it's accurate but it's like you know a gavin newsom discovering his conscience now it's just a tad convenient but this piece by john sexton i liked i. La times published a story today highlighting growing divide between two strains of activists in portland on the one hand. You have the mostly white. Antique groups have adopted black lives matter as their own cause and they're holding protests slash riots. Nearly every night. Oh that's charming actually calling them riots. On the other hand black activists who sometimes hold their own protests in who increasingly believed the anarchists. They're doing more harm than good. But the most revealing thing about this story maybe the tone and the timing for most of the summer portland. Anarchists were cool but suddenly the l. a. Times wants us to know that many of these anarchists are just in it for the wanton destruction The day after this from the la times the day after president elect joe biden delivered. His victory speech were spread through the group that the target tonight would be the local headquarters of the democratic party so many started beating dramas. A chance broke out. F- joe biden. Who have joe biden. Then the anarchists marched into an upscale neighborhood intent on destruction newsflash from the la times. These enter kisser bent on destruction. And i guess this is one of those this is again. The words of John sexton credit words this one of those now it can be told situations suddenly the anarchist darn cool anymore nego- into the black activists saying when people set fire to a building. It really does not liberate me. One bit said mingas maps who has a way cooler name the night. Oh he's a black man. Who won a seat on the portland city council. We'd probably disagree about everything but he says it does the opposite. It fuels the political culture. That makes racism possible. So you know. In short he's He's denouncing the antifa types Then so when it comes time to attack the democratic party headquarters all of a sudden. The la times says this is violence. This is the destruction this terrible Let's see why is it only now being given a skeptical. I here's how. Richard reid was writing about the nightly protests back in july richard reid of the la times in predawn hours wednesday. A group of women bike helmets and goggles calling themselves. The wall of moms linked arms to form a barrier between federal agents and protesters. The women are variously known as moms against police. Brutality or mom. Tepa play on antifa an antifascist movement. Oh my mom t fund dad block antifa cool then. Everyone wanted to be antifa now suddenly. It's a bunch of white people who don't really represent the 'cause what changed will there was an election then antifa made it clear they hate joe biden almost much donald trump and then they show pictures of the destruction they did to the democrat democratic party in which i have not seen in right. They tried to burn it down. And here's how this same guy. Richard reid in the la times describes it in his piece today. Remember the wall of moms and antiques on antifascist. movement. Here's richard reid. Today to activists approached the building one holding an umbrella to conceal the other. Who spray painted an anti biden epithet on the wall adding an anarchist symbol in red. He wrote a cap shortfall. Cops are pastors bastards. Six more protesters pounded on the window shattering. Thirteen of them before rejoining the group keeping watching the parking lot suddenly breaking windows and painting on other people's property isn't cool even though they've been doing these things for months plus the time was wants us to know that the violence is ultimately pointless and possibly without end shirley jackson portland state university. Professor of black studies said the violent seem senseless with the blm protests. There were clear demands. But it's very difficult to see end to something when it's not clear what the demands are. Yeah just so again utterly predictable but just a little bit maddening. yeah Well it's Can't say this enough reality. Bats last so You could ignore reality but eventually you're going to have come around to it. Yeah i have a feeling that people who listen to the show are quite solidly Acquainted with what the corporate media really is at this point but it's it's a useful reminder that what used to be journalistic ethics are. I mean they've gone the way of the petticoat in the white buck shoes. They're just nobody wears that more. Okay nice job. La times the welcome to reality. You've been missed Transition music michael. Clearly mr armstrong is my indict this blackout. Whatever we were talking about that was the point. How hard would it be to get that good at yoga. I mean could you do it like a leaker. Would've take ten years of masterclass. I know what what would what would motivate you and this is like techno usually if you told me. That's plenty of that if you told me if you told me the world's best yodeler right down the hall right. I mean the best on planet earth. Yes i'd go the other direction to the bathroom. I would have to check it out of curiosity. Of course you grew up in a part of the country where the lots of german folks in and yodeling was a thing and I regularly came across it on. Hee-haw yeah and they'd yodel. And i never liked it ever. How about the throat singing. That's good stuff. I want to get into the hypocrisy of your leaders. Coming up a little bit. Got a kind of a A potpourri of example around the country a dope purry. If you will wasn't my best work. What is that look. I just reminded to my wife. My wife came up with last night. And she said you gotta wait till she does something or she ends up president but she likes camo askaris. That's decent asks. That's pretty strong. Yeah exactly i've heard various attempts at a nickname for her and they they're not usable on the air. What no on now but going the other direction. Iowa governor kim reynolds has signed a mask mandate after months of opposition. She was fighting really hard on a doing this sort of stuff and now says that the the the case load warrants doing something about it it is it is all over the place. Oh yeah the covid now. Gertie dr cardi. What was she doing that when when that video came out which is a long time ago. We're now nine months into this. Frigging thing when she put the gwyn cardi b. Put that video while she do. She was walking around her house straining my solar something to spotting can't rewrote a virus or something like that ever. She'd go she'd she'd say she'd look at a door handle or handle the refrigerator. You wouldn't exactly hilarious jiminy if you haven't heard the story of various politicians telling you you've gotta wear masks or you that you can't even get together for right or you can't go see your loved one is they're dying. They have different rules that they follow and some of the examples are hilarious by the way you should donate money to where your foundation freedom station and armstrong and getty dot com the armstrong and getty show by the week. He's fine he didn't die from it. When you're god you don't fear viruses. Lockdowns are for mortals. So you'd think getting caught would hurt newsom. Getting caught ignoring your own. Rules used to be a major problem for politicians. But it's not anymore. There are no longer humiliated by their own hypocrisy. The point of the exercise is to humiliate the rest of us by forcing us to obey transparently. Absurd orders we'd been playing clips gavin newsom apology yesterday before. He instituted new lockdowns in the state of california. He apologized for having been caught. A couple of fridays ago a large gathering at the fanciest restaurant in the world not just in the napa valley or in california or in america in the world often considered the best restaurant in the world. Is that a fiftieth birthday party. With a one of his best friends is also a lobbyist. And they you know they break all kinds of rules that he makes you want you to follow in the state of california media and he apologized. I'm very signed. It and i did this. We have some of his apology. Whatever our favorite clips are we're all human. We all fall short sometimes. But we're not talking about us all gavin you That would have been unfortunate you a less than stellar a human We're talking about you you putz. I made a mistake. Yeah i should've actually. It's more a comedy routine than early as we should play the whole thing later maybe and just listening the whole i walked in when i realized what it'd be gathering was i should've left okay. So all your even if you had done that all your rich friends are getting together breaking the roller all human. We all fall short sometimes. What he knew exactly who is going to worsen. They knew he was going to be there. What the rules are and they just got caught. That's all that was too. There's a bunch of examples of this around the country. The mayor of washington. Dc murrial bowser traveled the delaware to celebrate. Joe biden's election victory even as she told. Her residents are not allowed to travel to other states. There's official business. The mayor of chicago is saying the people must cancel traditional thanksgiving plans. Cancel your thanksgiving. Invite no guests. Even as she joined the street party celebrating biden's apparent victory last week. You have a new. Of course says you need to not get together with more than ten people or three households. He did exactly that. The governor of michigan like the idiot governor of new mexico banning outdoor recreation. Which is the safest thing you could possibly do and governor. Witless of michigan. Her husband famously dragged his boat up. Nor yeah yeah well. I'm going to travel. I'm gonna fish so if you all made me my everything gavin. Newsom said during his long apology yesterday right right before. Or after he announced strict new shutdowns for the state on acknowledging. This mistakes writing. Move forward and get to the work that i was sent here to do that old. Dodge o. put this behind me. So i can do the work you've elected to do which is take away your freedoms but have different rules for me. It's so homer simpson ask. I think tucker's right tucker struck on something. And this is how marie antoinette and beheaded allegedly you get to the point where you're not only violating the rules yet do it openly. And you don't even care if you get caught because like tucker said humiliated anymore. No you're so the distance from any repercussions the you just don't really care. Yeah there's a bit of a taste of kim jong un in it really. I mean he can ban anything he wants and then openly consume it and nobody says dan more gavin newsom. Just this far from the next step which is yeah. The rules are different for me. What about it. What are you talking about do yet. It what are you complaining. Yeah i've never rules because i'm me anyway. We'll have to play more of that. Apology unintentionally hilarious so we had a way oh come in for your foundation. 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They're so much bigger than joan. I've odd the auctioneer at enough Highfalutin gatherings to raise money. We know all these people think. Oh yes i think that way. I'm in a room full of people. Were there things. He's the rich guy. No i'm the rich guy in the right. Allow your pettiness to do some good so fabulous job. Everybody keeps the donate nup worrier foundation freedom station. That's they're just when our our wounded fighters need to help the most. It's an incredible organization a wonderful organization and way way more efficient with your donated dollars than some of those famous charities that by tons of tv ads. Celebrities pokesman santer bad people that i think they are. But that's a different thing We should do a total just because we crossed a an important of a number gladys current contribution refreshing that puppy. Your nice job are. Is that the current number now. A one hundred seven thousand four hundred thirty thousand dollars on our way to five hundred. I hope wales pistons including a fifty dollars donation from make. Positive shawn's cat real again. Thank tastic map. Get come terrar- rock fabulous. Thank you for your generosity. Everybody whether you get ten bucks or ten thousand. It's absolutely fantastic. Aw so Old man biden talking about forgiving student loans or at least a portion of them. And it's just you can't you can't get critical coverage of it. He he did a softball a batting practice yesterday. And i you know. I should ask for the tape of it but it was questions like so. Many young people are struggling with student loans. Are you going to help them. Mr president-elect every single questions at mr president-elect so obviously can it was something armstrong and getty to the ball alert. Show appreciate it so much at the university. I got my degree from the university. In business management marketing. I was the first. I am a family devoted college and graduate so my parents told me i was bored to. Hp you are really didn't have a choice so in visited all those campuses. And then when. I when when i went to camp there was nothing like him in tampa so i was like it's beautiful. What would you say you learn the most at hsbc the broadmoor. So a new yorkers always new york. I went to hampton and i had roommate for jersey that i had a roommate mississippi in an roommate from philly equations all that music but now bringing that back home as the now not just your cj app in any athletes. That's what i think is the biggest we're hec was meeting. Everybody invaded excellence. Mcdonald's is celebrating as well as we should. For more information on. Mcdonald's black and positively go to move me and you can follow at. We are golden on instagram. The armstrong and getty show you. How bad does phil collins smell. Language puts our lego puts out its biggest offering ever. I know that's a big list item on for my kids for christmas. If you're doing that some video game research that surprising among other things a co obviously cove news. Well and i insist this half hour we get to the unintentionally. Lariat gavin newsom comedy routine. Well it was an apology. Whatever dude so often you good folks Will Be whistle blowers. You send us emails with the inside scoop on what's happening where you work or in your industry whatever you can email us anytime. Mailbag at armstrong and getty dot com mail megan armstrong and getty dot com And so here's a little You know we'll do the same for you. This is a tv industry thing. Now sinclair broadcasting. Big company owns a bunch of tv stations and And i don't know. I don't have any problem with them or anything. But if your local newscaster starts giving you a heartfelt speech well we're number one they're probably not nearly bright enough to Oof to write it because you they just don't have to be. You got to be a pretty and you have to speak clear. Radio guy takes shot at this guy there. They're week acts. Most of them many of Anyone anyway you might enjoy this. This Started airing the other day on fox san antonio jessica headley and i'm ryan wolfe. Our radio melody communities deal pass. Las cruces communities eastern iowa humidity's mid michigan communities are extremely proud of the quality balanced journalism. That cbs four news produces but as the plaguing our country the sharing of biased and false news has become all too common on social media. Worl arming some media outlets published the saying fake stories. Without checking facts i the sharing of biased and false news has compelled to comment on repeatedly artery without i. Unfortunately you is a dangerous. This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. This is extremely dangerous to our democracy is extremely dangerous to are you get the idea. The best part of it is the visual. They all have their very serious carrying faces like they mean less with every fiber of their souls. Funny that is funny now. I like tucker does this a lot on his show. Oh i got a question about tucker. Carlson yes the tucker. Carlson does this on his show. A lot with Talking points though it's always the democratic party. But i have a feeling republicans do the same thing. But he'll have a montage from the sunday shows. Were a bunch of guests just randomly us exactly the same phrase at the same time on the same subject as if they just thought it off the top of their head and weren't emailed overnight. What to say. On the sunday show by by nancy pelosi or somebody high up sure and precise phrases and there is no way to know that even in very many years ago. It's fairly recent that you can have all those shows at your fingertips has just a regular person and nail all this stuff down so I have seen a couple of different lists of who might be the nominee for the republican party in two thousand twenty four. Oh my gosh you. You practically assaulted me ben. And knowing last person you'd expect to ever bring this up maniac but the only reason is the list always has tucker carlson in in the top couple syria and listen to a podcast. The i've listened to a couple of podcasts with serious people like serious you know. Writers thinkers in the world of politics throwing around the tucker gets in this this and that holy cow and i so my thought well might. My initial thought is Are all people that way over. Inflate social media and cable news. I mean tucker can be the biggest deal in cable news that still a couple million people It's it's nothing like donald trump having the number one show in the country. yeah On on a major network young grad completely different level of your popular uh-huh. That's usually the though how the arguments made who's going to carry on trumpism and tucker. Is you know so hugely popular. But he's usually popular in that. You know that tiny window of cable news which inches way over inflated by the you know the podcast is listening to their big deals in that world. They're on those shows right so they don't want you just yeah superstar. They don't want to admit or don't know that most people don't know who you are yeah By the way. I just happened to. I didn't come across it. It was sent by an alert listener. Aid incredibly condescending idiotic editorial in the seattle times that referenced trumpism and i am not comfortable with that term. I don't like it. I don't either. I don't think it is anything. I think it's. He's a certain personality. There's no until there is nobody else is going to like. Take the mantle of that. Yeah i finally listened to that. Sam harris podcast or he talks about how it finally dawned on him the day before the election. Why trump is popular. And it's funny for such an incredibly bright guy. It's amazing he missed this in any said. It's kind of amazing. I miss this. Which is why. I like him but it was listen. Trump for all his flaws doesn't think he's better than you. He never condescended at the rallies or anything like that. I mean it was year my people. Meanwhile on the left there's brutal judgmental ism brutal conduct condescension and condemnation. You're a racist. You're a homophobe. You're a bigot. you're an idiot you're unsophisticated. You live and fly over country. You know i'm kind of you know. Expanding on what. Sam harris was saying but yeah average working americans. They're not so stupid. My left wing friends. They don't know when you're condescending and it was. It was a good example. A good deal. 'lustration why trump's so popular and it doesn't need to be donald trump filling that role and indeed. If somebody has the i dunno his down to earth enough and in touch enough with america to understand that then it won't be trumpism anymore. It will be a sane reasonable. Patriotic populism tucker. Carlson avenue interest in running for president. A letter anybody. Al idea might have never thought about it in his life and would never consider it. I don't i don't know. He's an extremely bright guy over the top sometimes but so's everybody got a job to do so. My kids got a couple of lego sets on their christmas list. Lego is a releasing its biggest set ever the roman coliseum. It looks really cool. It's nine thousand pieces. Nine thousand looks awesome which little christian pieces in little lions or little body parts in the dungeons there Gladiators the millennium falcon. Which i've talked about on the show because We go to the back. When malls open. We'd go to the lego store now and then and they usually had one on display and they were sold out and back ordered. And it's like nine hundred dollars or something to really expensive shimano. It's a gazillion pieces. And it's you know it's like thirty year old dudes who buy it. It's not. I suppose there's a rich grandma somewhere who bought it for a six year old but yeah but the legs are expensive. My kids are super indo. Got a couple of giant sets on their on their list. All you know it's funny about that. Is you know we have to do a quick word from our friends at simplisafe sponsoring the show Give them some business. They they believe in us. We believe in them huge holiday spike in break-ins. Yeah year after year. That's the only time i've ever had in my house broken into it's people driving around. They just look in the window and say oh. They got a christmas tree up. Neal it's under a christmas tree. Christmas presents right exactly so they'll break into your garage and then into your house. Whatever we don't mean to scare or anything but simplisafe is having a huge holiday sale of their home security system thirty percent off any simplisafe system in a free security camera. And how good is it. You can set it up yourself under thirty minutes. Is this kind of security light. No it's the best home security of two thousand twenty. According to us news and world report in one scene editors choice for home security was named best of two thousand twenty by forbes and popular mechanics. Scott the twenty four seven monitoring like the other places but it doesn't have a long contract. You can get out anytime you want no expensive install either so get thirty percent off simply safe plus a free security camera just go to simplisafe dot com slash armstrong. That's simplisafe dot com slash armstrong. Before i go to this video game research quick question on a level of seriousness zero. Attend the tucker. Carlson running for president thing cautious the first time i heard it of you know serious people were talking about. It doesn't mean anything. But i mean it's not just Well i know you famously. And a lot of people considered the idea of donald. J trump running for president crazy absolutely. So i'm not gonna you know a jerk. Monique over tucker. You won't put a number on zero to ten what how likely it is or how seriously you take it. I don't know okay. I just don't know i've got did had see. It's just don't even know. Fill your soul being crushed yet. Yup i tell you what he would be a formidable representative of served evaluates so you loved trump. you don't want to hear anything negative about him. He was a terrible spokesman. For what allegedly we all want to happen. Oh yeah it was bad at and debating time. Carlson would be something he would smoke. Anybody who's been in the ring and most recent years and he could he could describe perfectly. What's wrong with critical race. Theory on a debate stage for instance to the point where everybody watching say holy crap. I need to learn more about this phrase. So what. I'm saying you were child go do something else. Yes so me and every parent. I know whose kids play. Video games. Worry about how much they play video games. I don't pick. I know a single parent. Who doesn't fret over that if you play animal crossing for four hours a day every single day. You're likely to say you feel significantly happier than someone who doesn't according to some new oxford research about video games right. Scott animal crossing is one of those building finding. Yeah you're just kind of creating you're making your own house and you you work with the townsfolk to get different furniture is that you can unlock. And then your friends can come visit your island and there's you know there's certain things that incentivize friends like. I got an island. Yeah you aren't like that. Per violent different difference. No very different this very wholesome I'm glad to hear it and some other misfit toys. Can you burgle somebody else's house known by simply safe. No you can't Like on my island a my island maybe made it have native peach trees on your island. You have native orange trees. The only way for me to get orange trees is to go to your island. Pick oranges and bring him back and plant the free market works. Shouldn't there be a bureau of fruit trading though to make sure that people don't know trade too many oranges for not enough peaches or something like that back into regular mayor of the town. Tom nook seems very uninterested in in much. Effort of anything libertarian hunting. I guess he had man. I'll tell you what we'll take a break. When i come back i'll hit you with a little of the science because if you have kids playing these games you worry about it. If you've got you know a a new gadget on the list for someone you're thinking. Is this what we want to do this research. I don't surprising to me off to do some more digging. It's mostly positive. News about video games I wonder who did it Yeah exactly paid for by nintendo. They gave the built oxford new building. I smell an animal crossing rat. Do they have rats on it. And we'll on a harem for all the researchers kind of anyway. All that on the way our texan is four. One five two nine five k. ftc the armstrong and getty show. I laid a bad mistake. Instead of sitting down I should have stood up and walked back on my car and drove back To my house the spirit of what. I'm preaching all. The time was contradicted. And i got home that and so i wanna apologize to you because i need to preach and practice not just and not practice and i've done my best to do that and we We had an early dinner. But then matter i shouldn't have been there. I should've turn back around and so when that happens. You got to pay the price but you also own the mistake and you know to make it again and you have. My word on. That and just know is not been a practice. I've an indulgence in the past. I i take it very seriously Well we are promoting. It has been doing so for many many months. And i expect you should expect nothing less of me and i expect more from myself gavin. Newsom the governor of california though but one time you got caught is just coincidentally the one time you violated all your own rules about eating out and everything. It's just now. We are all human. You know we fall short sometime jack. I can say that you can't you're pot style. He's kinda laughing you know i. I've violated You know my own guidelines. In 'cause i figured i'm smart enough to just protect myself in the same way but you stupid stupid. Sheep aren't so we're going to protect you. Gimme fifty three or fifty four sean. Even to me you know. I need it. Was he listening to something. We're all human. We all fall short sometimes. shawn's editing different tape. But i have heard a lot of week. Apologies in my life from me. Kids from france. I've authored many. That might be the all-time hey i'd be part of it. It's just he's in a completely indefensible position unless he just came out and said look. I'm the governor. And i felt like or feel like i can do it differently than everybody else does. And that's not fair. But that's the way i do it unless he's gonna say that what's he going to say. Well i think if you don't know this whole story a couple of weeks ago friday. before last. he went to a birthday party with a bunch of rich friends lobbyists at the french laundry restaurant which is regularly named the best restaurant in the world. Dinner table events rented out the whole thing which i can't even imagine what their room anyway. His lobbyist buddies fiftieth birthday. And it got reported in the san francisco chronicle chronicle and picked up by the washington post wall street journal. Everybody else that he is eaten with more than ten people and more than three households and all the guidelines. You're not even allowed to have thanksgiving the most important day from a family standpoint of the year. Maybe for you. You're not allowed to do that. But he can go to that the french laundry because he's gavin newsom and when he gets caught. I made a mistake. I made a mistake. I take full responsibility but it wasn't that big a gathering human. We all fall short sometimes. Yeah okay great. Great larry. You just think you're smart enough to weigh risk and benefit and to guide your life in a safe way in the timakova. Hey you know what else gavin. I think that too. I don't need you to heard me around like an animal. Especially because you're a half whip might be. That might even be more cynical from some of these people that i need to look like. I'm trying really hard To get this under control for political reasons. i'm not sure doesn't any good but right This video game research just because You might be buying video game stuff for christmas and your kids are playing a lot with the lockdown and not being in school and everything like that. This oxford research said that If you play animal crossing four hours a day every single day you're likely to say you significantly happier than someone who doesn't the main takeaway from their study playing. The games is associated with greater happy greater happiness and well-being. You said that is interesting in part because it generally flies in the face of years of research about video games are finding show. Video games aren't necessarily bad for your health. He says in fact play can be an activity that relates positively to people's meant mental health and regulating video. Game should withhold those could withhold those benefits from players. Yeah i'm curious sunny well talks and the first. It's the first study that is based on actual playing time of more than three thousand gamers supplied by the game makers as opposed to previous studies relying on players own notoriously inaccurate estimates. Its high see okay. He hopes to raise the bar for future research. No piece of research. I have certainly learned over the years as the defended piece of research. But you know it's out there I don't make my kids happier. They also clearly have an addiction to it. I'm addicted to coffee. I'm addicted to a few things that necessarily bad. I know we're all human. We all fall short sometimes. -actly governor news. It's unbelievable wife busts. You with your girlfriend coming out of a restaurant honey who we are all human. We all fall short. sometimes. I expect more of myself. It was in contradiction to things. I've been saying and i need to do better. Eight was that is a a masterpiece of hypocrisy stupidity and phoniness. I think i mean it's one of the all time best i've ever heard i just said is one of the most insanely idiotic. Things i've ever heard. everyone in. This room is now dumber for having listened to it. I think it's what carlson you can't cut off the best part. May god have mercy on your soul. I think it's what tucker carlson said. They have crossed into this point now where they just. They don't even feel bad about it. They don't feel like they've gotta feel bad about look. I'm so clearly in charge in a two time governor in a blue state we own the state. what are you gonna do. You know what it is. I know what it is. what he going to dislike. The dc mayor's defensive traveling Against your anita because imports macklin armstrong and getty temper seventeenth two thousand nine twenty four year. Old my trees. Richardson disappeared without a trace. In the woods. Near malibu california and was never seen alive again. I'm katherine towns and host of the podcast. 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