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Ep. 333 -  How we can vote our way out of our worst problems

The Breakdown with Shaun King

23:46 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 333 - How we can vote our way out of our worst problems

"I don't often recommend books here on the PODCAST. But one of my favorite books of all times call blueprint for black power by Dr Amos Wilson. And it forever changed the way that view how we solve our worst problems. None of our problems have singular one dimensional solutions. All of our problems are complex and require a comprehensive blueprint for us to figure out how to solve them. Today I WANNA talk about. How we can smartly vote our way out. Of some of our worst problems. Now. Voting alone it's not enough. Voting for Joe, Biden alone is not enough but today I wanna tell you some moves that I'm about to make that are organizations are about to make. And, how we strongly believe? That voting the right people into office locally. Can have a huge huge impact. Let. ME UNPACK and explain it. This is Shaun King and you're listening to. The breakdown. The breakdown. Of A breakdown. I started today's episode of the breakdown talking about. One of my favorite books of all time the blueprint for black power because Dr Amos Wilson, who has since passed a of morehouse graduate and someone. WHO's books many of his books including the psychological under development of black child. Change, the way I saw parenting. Blueprint for black power really changed the way I saw myself as a leader. It may have been almost twenty years ago when I first read these books and really just shaped how I saw. How I can contribute. To making our communities safer better more equitable. And I see a bid of two extreme arguments often happen. One of those arguments is that? Voting doesn't matter and I see. SMART You'RE GONNA question. that. I see smart informed people saying listen. What they're really talking about is there critique of Joe Biden? We've been voting for Democrats for generations and some of our biggest problems continue to remain. It doesn't matter voted for Joe Biden doesn't matter. It's not enough. Voting is not enough and some people are so irritated. With the Democratic Party. Some people are particularly irritated with Joe Biden. That, it causes them to say, listen I also have a disdain for Donald trump but I'm tired of people telling me vote vote vote when that's simply not going to change the substance of so many of our problems. Now, a lot of that is true. Now I am going to vote against Donald. Trump? Which means for me voting for Joe Biden. Anybody who's ever listened to this podcast knows I'm not Joe Biden Fan. I'm I'm not a supporter I'm a lifelong critic of him in his policies in his history. However Donald Trump is an existential threat to this country, not just with the corona virus but with so many other policies now with that said. It is true. And I in you've heard me say this before that voting alone it's not enough. It's not. and voting for Joe Biden alone is not enough. Today I'm not here to talk about why voting for Joe. Biden will solve our problems. I'm not even GonNa talk about voting Joe Biden. I-INSTEAD WANNA talk about. How voting smart voting informed. In local elections can change the entire game. And over these next for have my math, right maybe twenty eight days here. We are now exactly four weeks away from election day. You also need to understand that election day is basically The end of the election, not the beginning. Election Day is the final day you can vote. It's not the first day. It's not the only day in most places. Now, you can vote today you can vote remotely you can. You can go in and vote early and I would encourage all of us to be able to do that however. It is not enough to just understand who you're voting for in the presidential election and today I. Want to give you three examples. Of races that we're going to support candidates in and why we decided to support those candidates because. Most change most political change. Happens on the local level and we are jumping in head first to support over twenty different candidates in local elections from coast to coast and I'm going to tell you about all of those candidates. Let me bring into. Britain. Break it down. Break it down break. Break it down and. I'm going to be spending most of my time over the next twenty eight days campaigning for candidates from coast to coast maybe even in your city in your state. I hoped that I would be campaigning right now for Bernie Sanders all over the country to be the next president The odds are when you endorse a presidential candidate during the primaries, they were almost twenty candidates. Odds are your candidate has basically. A one in twenty chance of winning the nomination and so for those of us who are disappointed that the person that we wanted to win didn't win. You can't just sit everything else out to jump in. And I, WanNa tell you about some of the races that we're jumping. In fact, I'm going to tell you about all of them over the next few days and weeks I'm going to be talking about them on my instagram and social media, and I'll be talking about them right here on the breakdown podcast. One of the most important races we're jumping headfirst into is the Portland mayoral race and we're going to be endorsing a candidate named Sarah ianna wrong Sarah Ianna own and she's an amazing woman she is in an activist and an organizer herself. She is deeply connected to the organizing community there in Portland. She is a good woman with a good heart who is super super, well, informed and hired. A brilliant brilliant with a capital b black lives matter activist to literally be her campaign manager and that's not because he's trying to co-opt the movement I know her campaign manager well, and he understands policy he understands organizing. He understands what it takes to not just connect with voters, but he understands what it takes to make change. And many people don't understand this and there have been a couple really brilliant articles written about this over the past few weeks. But one of the single biggest impediments roadblocks. To change when it comes to policing. Is Not Donald Trump. It's not Joe Biden. It's not the president. It's not even Daniel Cameron. Is. Frequently. Your local mayor. In local mayors which are in America's largest cities almost exclusively democratic. In almost every major city in America, the mayor is a Democrat with very few exceptions including right there in Portland. Now. Their current Mayor Tim. Wheeler. Like in a lot of cities is a former. Republican who knew that he could never run as a Republican in win and so he switched parties in a lot of ways to be able to win and to be relevant there in the city I've met mayor. Wheeler he has done about as bad of a job as mayor in twenty twenty as any mayor in any city in the country. He has empowered in protected the worst policing he has protected aggressive police flagrantly violent police he has encourage them. In spite of his public comments, he has encouraged and condone them. To us not just heavy handed tactics but to use forms of policing. That human rights organizations around the world have said should be outlawed and and. In all. In most other major cities around the world are actually outlawed. Forms of of gassing when people tear gas protesters, that is that is literally. Illegal in most major countries in cities around the world. In Portland, it's been happening over and over and over again. And what people are protesting about in. PORTLAND. Is Inequity. They're. Protesting. Inequity in in education economic inequity housing they. Are Protesting. A city that they love that has so much inequality. and that includes policing in the systems and structures of mass incarceration. And Sarah I on her own is someone who was going to do the hard work. To make sure that Portland is actually fair and equitable and safe for all people listen to me. Every time you see a horrible case of police brutality in that police chief in that police department won't do anything about it. Understand that in most cities now, there are a few major cities where a city council or a county supervisors board oversees the Police Department but in most cities including him in my city right here in new? York. In most major cities, the mayor oversees that department. And when you see a police chief and a police department that's not really changing the game. That's because they have the blessing of the mayor. In Portland needs a mayor and we'll have a mayor in Sarah, I'm rone who was going to change the game from the inside out have two more candidates that I want to tell you about but you need a candidate running in your city like share our own, and we need mayors all over the country who not only paint black lives matter on the road but have policies that showed a truly mean it evaluate copyright back. I want to speak for just a moment to all the entrepreneurs who are listening right now the holiday season is around the corner. In this year, we know that people are going to be buying more stuff online than ever before in if you're a business owner, if you're an entrepreneur that sells online, you've got to be ready to meet the demands of record-breaking online shopping. So be ready with a new company that we love called ship station ship station helps online sellers get your orders out quickly they help you save money on shipping cost and they keep your customers. Happy. No matter where you're selling if it's Amazon if it's If it's your own website. Ship station brings all of your orders into one simple interface in right now, breakdown listeners can try ship station free for sixty days. When you use the offer code breakdown, make sure businesses ready to meet the demands of a massive online shopping season. You can get started right now at ship station. Dot Com today just click the microphone at the top of the homepage in typing breakdown that ship station dot com in enter the offer code breakdown and let me know what you think. The. Birthday there police brutality. and. Really. Mass incarceration and all the systems and structures of mass incarceration. Those systems are super local. And the president of the United States can have an impact on federal cases. But the president be trump or biden. OR ANY PRESIDENT They only have so much impact on what can happen locally now. If you had a super progressive president, there are a lot of creative ways that they can impact policing but I don't think that we'll get that from Joe, Biden in and we won't get that obviously from Donald trump who is really campaigning. Now as the pro police candidate, he's kind of abandoned all pretense that he wants to reform policing like he's thrown that out of the window but Joe Biden really is not going to do much about it either and he is even talking about how police need more funding and more support and so. Most of the change that we want to see happen on the local level. That reduces the footprint of mass incarceration. It's going to happen with local mayors. Going to happen with local city councils who often set the policies and laws for the city and sometimes set those policies and laws for the county. And even have a massive amount of influence, and this is what I want you to understand on the budget of their city and county. City Councils, and in California they they have city councils but they also have something called county supervisors. And County supervisors you're you're city or county may have county supervisors, but they are incredibly powerful all over. California in California you have some influence if you are a city council person. But you have the most influence when you are a county supervisor, you have more influence than really any position outside of mayor of that city. And there to people that I want to tell you about the first is Tara Lawson reamer. Terra Lawson Remer is running for county supervisor in San Diego. And first and foremost, she's just a brilliant woman. The this won't be an insult to tear lawson remer. But the most brilliant people in America. Aren't running for office they're not. And when you see somebody as brilliant and creative and courageous as terra Lawson remer who was running for county supervisor there in San Diego, you have to support them. Because America's smartest leaders are often running organizations, they're running businesses, but they're not running for office a lot of times they're running away from office and Terra Lawson. Reamer is the exception to that rule. In fact, when I learned that she was running I was surprised because she is literally just a brilliant brilliant person. And we need brilliant people running our cities, running our counties people who have imaginations, people who have political courage to change what's broken. To hold the systems of an. Accountable and to put in place policies again, just like we said about the candidate for mayor in Portland that we're supporting Sarah I Anna Rhone Terra Lawson remer is going to make San Diego A more equitable. And it is dominated. It's one of the few American cities that is frequently dominated by Republicans. As mayor as county supervisors, city councillors, and we want to support Tara Lawson Remer in her run for San Diego County supervisor, and she's going to change the gain from the inside out. We've been able to have conversations with her and she's just brilliant and. What you need to be asking. Is who is running in my city that's going to actually change the game who has political courage who has the courage of their convictions who wants to who welcomes being in community held responsible who is that entire Lawson Remer is that now in San Francisco which anybody who listens to this from the bay area you all know how much I love the Bay, my family, and I thought about moving their multiple times just of Oakland and San Francisco Bay areas like a second home to us. There is a great great man in grassroots leader who is running again to be back in the county supervisor position. Overseeing, district eleven in San Francisco his name is John Avalos and John was a county supervisor and termed out. And when you have a break between terms, you can actually run again he had been previously elected to two terms. Of voters in everyday people in San Francisco Him. They trust him and what we understand in some Cisco we helped elect. A man who I think is one of the most important a change agents in our country we helped to elect and many of you voted for him and donate it to his campaign chase a bodine who was the district attorney of San Francisco. But you elected district attorney, they need allies, they need the mayor to be an ally they need they. They need county supervisors to be an ally and chaser needs allies up and down the government and John Avalos is that will be that And we're backing in supporting John Avalos. He needs he needs our support and. What I want you to understand and we're going to announce. For, the next few days more races that were jumping into I, want you to understand if you're not from Portland where we're endorsing Sarah I on our own if you're not from San Diego or San Francisco I, want you to understand that this is relevant to you because I'm trying to model if you will. What it means to be an informed voter I, don't live in Portland. I don't live in San Diego or or San Francisco but I am I'm trying to be so informed right now that I not only know how to vote in my city but I wanna be able to tell you an voters how to vote in your city but I need you to know I need you to have an election plan who are you voting for? What do they stand for and win ugliness happens in your city police violence racial injustice will they be a true ally? Will they say in most importantly do the hard things? Now, here's what I don't. Change is not just about voting it isn't. But when you vote the right people into office that you can have. Ernest relationships with that welcome being held accountable for for their promises. It can put you on the path to change. But when you don't have friends when you don't have allies, comrades and supporters and Co conspirators in the most important positions. Then you're just locked out. And that's what we find in a lot of cities right now where we are protesting and demonstrating for change. Cycle. We really don't have any friends in these positions. Well. You can change that in your. We're trying to change that in Portland trying to change it in San, Diego and San Francisco. And tomorrow. I'll tell you about more candidates and more cities where we're really trying to make change take care of her body. The bring the bring. The bring. Hey It's Nikki and Maria Lena hosts of the North Stars Newest podcast America, the voiceless a podcast that's about the right to vote and the fight to vote. We believe that all Americans have a voice but far too many Americans hit roadblocks when it comes to casting their votes in America the voiceless we hear from lawmakers, historians, activists, and everyday people. Packed, the barriers some Americans have to overcome to make sure their voices are heard during the voting process. You can listen to a new episode of America the voiceless every Thursday this fall. All episodes are available on the NORTHSTAR DOT COM, spotify apple podcasts, and wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Reactions to the Bengals' crushing loss to the Saints

Cincy Jungle

17:44 min | 3 years ago

Reactions to the Bengals' crushing loss to the Saints

"Everyone has gone. It's Anthony Kazan's with cincy jump about calm and the orange black insider bangles podcast. I hope that many of you have taken a step back from the ledge take take. Take some words from the rock band. Third eye blind. Take a step back from that ledge, my friend Cincinnati got absolutely embarrassed by the New Orleans Saints at home, some of some of us probably predicted that some of us may be thought the Bengals would put up a better fight despite the injuries, the weather and all kinds of things happening against the Bengals at this point in the season. Unfortunately, a things just snowballed, and I can't tell you how many times we've seen this happen to bangel team. And I guess if you wanna call that being mentally weak. I guess if you wanna call that just having little confidence whatever you wanna call that the Bengals just they didn't have it on Sunday. And they don't seem to have it in these critical games. I did some math. I guess you could say really there were four really of the now nine games. They. Played there were four contests this year that you could say these were really good barometers or these will be very good barometers of where the Bengals are at how much improvement. They've made from the past two losing seasons that they've put up and that was against Carolina that was against Pittsburgh that was against Kansas City that was today against the saints their own four in those contests, and they have a point differential of minus eighty nine. In those four games, which is just over twenty two points per game. Basically that they they're averaging a loss in those critical four games. And those are the four losses at the Bengals have this season. They're five four, you know. I don't think a lot of people thought, you know. Yeah. The dolphins was critical of c conference game. But I don't think a lot of people were like, well, this is really a litmus test. I, you know, I think it's you know, the chiefs that only had one loss when they face them. The saints only had one loss when they faced him going to care Yna and facing Cam Newton that was a test. Then of course, the Steelers is always attest, and they just fell on their face again losing by thirty seven points to New Orleans. Now, we thought as they mentioned we thought this might be the case we thought that Cincinnati would you know, maybe score points. But also, you know, let up quite a few. We kind of figured that was going to happen. But I mean, I don't think a lot of. People thought fifty one to fourteen with only seven points being scored by the the first team offense. And I team quarterback. I don't think a lot of people had that see, Matt Anderson. This team is going five and eleven I don't see that. Although Cleveland headed impressive win against a Lanta. And they're playing better on Sunday. They, you know. You have Baltimore. They now may go to Lamar Jackson a guy who's a rookie quarterback in a guy who scrambles which Cincinnati's defense. Whether it's under Mike Zimmer Paul Guenther or terra Lawson Cincinnati's defenses never fared well against rookie quarterback's or scrambling quarterback. So vaca prevent problem and Cincinnati has largely had Joe flacco number. So you know, that that kind of hurts them they're a little bit. And the in you know, I see this comment here by Steve gray. They can't beat anyone. Good. Yeah. I mean, that's that's kind of the under Marvin Lewis. They once in a while though. They'll kinda you know, they'll get that win against Seattle. They'll get that that rare rare win against Pittsburgh, they'll beat Baltimore here. And there when Baltimore's actually pretty good. But for the most part that beat the mediocre teams teams that aren't super, you know, aren't recent Super Bowl champions. And they be the teams are supposed to be and. I go back to what I said a couple of weeks ago in the Kansas City loss where I don't know how as if you're Mike Brown. I don't know how this kind of stuff is acceptable. I don't know how these kinds of performances are acceptable. I. I don't understand how he could sit there travel to Kansas City in the cold and watches team getting barest on primetime television. I don't understand how he can a again, you know, this was this was out of a by guys. I mean, this this this game was not. Yeah. They had some guys that were out with injuries. Yes. Egypt. Green was a huge loss. But they did get Billy price back. They got Clint Boling back from from an injury. They got John Ross BAC who had touchdown catch. I mean, they got guys back from the by. And you know, they still they still couldn't couldn't do anything. That's embarrassing. That's an indictment on the coaching staff. That's an indictment on on how they they run. There. Offense defense all of it and Mike Brown needs start holding people accountable. You know, there's there's mixed opinions on if and when terra Lawson will and should be fired. You know, I some some believe that since the Bengals are five and four, you know, it's not the time to make a move. And if they do even would step out step up, would it be Jim has lit and how much of an effect would he have really at this point. I I don't know. I mean, they can't they can't stop anybody. And I'm gonna tell you what what really worried me this week is. The effort level the effort level on. That we witnessed on Sunday was atrocious in my in my opinion, and it really started to really get noticeable. Once they were down about fourteen to seven twenty one seven you saw poor body language. There were a couple of efforts. I think on an Ingram. Touchdown run. Jesse Bates and Sean Williams barely made an attempt to to tackle him around the goal line. There was barely an attempt to cover. There was two guys right on Benoit's. And they called it a touchdown. It was ruled short. But. There were two guys right there. They didn't. They didn't make the play. I mean, it's countless countless things on defense that you can't. I mean tackling still still poor Preston Brown. The guy who led the league tackles last year either missed hackles or is being dragged by Ingram and Camara down the field on certain run certain passes things like that. So I mean, you look at this. You look at the defense, and you say we'll you know, there's your to starting corners four first round picks. You have basically a hall of fame player, Gino Atkins at defensive tackle. And you've got a guy who's made a handful approvals and Carlos Dunlap, you got Preston Brown and free agency the guy who led the league tackles last year drafted guys here. And there to help you out you like Jessie Bates second round pick yet this team cannot do anything on defense. They can't stop anybody. They can't tackle. And they can't get off the field on third down the saints were seven for seven on their first seven down tries. And then finally late. I think it was in the third quarter. They finally got stopped and ended up kicking field goal. So you can't win games like that. And. I think at this point you really need to look at terra Lawson and what he's doing to this defense what he's not doing with this defense and. It's not working. Now, there are more issues than what's going on defense with the Bengals though. Joe makes. Yeah. The game got out of control Joe mixon only eleven carries on offense today, and he had a five point five average. So I understand you had a band abandoned the run a bit. Once you're down twenty one seven twenty eight seven things like that. But that's a big weapon that in and it was working. Well, and that's what you needed to work well to keep pace and keep the saints off the field and keep your defense off the field, and you kind of abandoned it. Now granted again, they were in such a hole that they needed to throw the ball around more. So then you look at Bill laser Andy Dalton to I drives pretty good touchdown right down the field. They got stalled on a fourth in one. We're going to go for it. They might have gotten it. But you know, Matt Langdale again just unbelievable penalty on fourth and one a false start at home on a fourth and one that just kind of a microcosm of the day. And you know, you look at. You look at the dry spell's from their right? It's it's a soon as another team gets a decent lead on the Bengals or as soon as the Bengals. And Andy Dalton have to get off script from their game plan. They don't do. Well. And it was especially today without green in the lineup to really rely on a security blanket. You know, there's I'm seeing a lot of comments, you know, Mike, Mike Brown who is this Michael cooks as Mike Brown. That's good players go to other teams when they want to get paid what they are worth. Agreed. And you see I mean, just kind of a side note, you see how well Andrew Whitworth is been playing for the Rams and. There's like, you know, a big thing this week has been about how he's donating this game check to the victims of the Thousand Oaks shooting in California. So I mean, it's just a guy like that that you just allow to walk out the door, and they really haven't been the same sense. And it's not just him, but him Zeitler and Reggie Nelson. And all of these guys, you know, they figured there little older and or overpriced. And we don't we don't need them. All of a sudden, you know, you're looking at two straight losing seasons in another season. That's heading to mediocrity. So I, you know, I that's a good point there. Charlie Murphy, very for for Dave Chapelle fans. Charlie Murphy says our defensive coordinator is terrible or defense's. Look this awful since the late nineties. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if you saw the graphic today by Fox Sports. Basically Cincinnati's defense has the worst four-game stretch. Terms of yards allowed. They have allowed the most yards in four game stretch ever by any defense in the NFL ever. So that is that's that. I mean that tells you all that you need to know granted in that four-game four-game stretch they played three of the best offenses in the NFL in in the chiefs the Steelers and obviously today the saints. But I don't know Brian eight says Bengals finished seventy nine that that could be a possibility. You know, I was asked this week to do a mid season. Midseason kind of report or midseason guests on how the second half of the season will end up I still guess nine and seven, but I did have them losing these next two games, probably because of greens injury. But also just because you know, they had already beaten Baltimore wants this New Orleans game was going to be tough. You know, then all of a sudden you're looking you're looking at five and five. Six games to play to against Cleveland one against Oakland one against Denver one against Pittsburgh and one against LA. You really gonna need scraped. I mean, you may get it against Denver, Oakland, and maybe two against Cleveland, but Cleveland, proven scrappy, so I don't know. I've seen a lot of a lot of comments here basically saying the Bengals gonna finish five and eleven fire Marmon. All that kind of stuff. You know? To me. Now, I don't want. I hate to be knee-jerk reaction is guy. I've just seen a lot of angles football on my time and. This. This was. This reminded me of the Scott Mitchell akili Smith, Paul just in days of the late nineties early two thousand before the Bengals had Marvin Carson and all those guys is this was really really pathetic in terms of effort executional that stuff and. Part of me says at five and four you don't wanna talk about blowing the thing up and all of that. But. I mean. There's they need help at a lot of different spots. And it's not just injuries. There's there's a lot of different areas that need help. Matthew Steinmetz is need. Perfect back. Dais up. I tell you perfect. Wasn't laying the world on fire before he got out of the wine up, and he has proven to be completely unreliable for this team. Okay. He's I think he's played in two maybe three games this year. I think to if I don't I don't have it in front of me, but hurt suspended all the time. And then this year when he was even in the game the defense wasn't doing much. So. I don't know. I I think that this team really needs to if if they do not go to the playoffs this year, which it seems like they they might not if they do not go to playoffs this year. We we might need to talk about a whole rebuild. But I don't see that happening with my Brown and control this team. He loves Marvin Lewis this team, AVI hill point to this team making improvements over the past two, and that's probably what would happen in here. We are again kind of groundhog day situation. Don't wanna get too far ahead of myself five and four they're still in the hunt for things they're still right in the mix. You know, they could come back and beat Baltimore next week, Baltimore's, even probably probably even more mediocre than the Bengals are at this point. So you know, that's that's a winnable game. Then you've got other winnable games. Like I said on the slate in Oakland, Denver the Bengals are three and one in their past four trips under Marvin Lewis it going to. San diego. Obviously, it's an LA now. But playing the chargers on their home turf. They're three and one. So we'll see we'll see. Random pods. Nineties feeling today was a nineties feeling that's. Good point. Not much else to say, except for the fact that just a recap the big got absolutely blown out at home by the New Orleans Saints. Some would have predicted it some did not but fifty one to fourteen the Bengals get blown out and the they have a waste touchdown at the end by Jeff Driscoll on a run offense. Starting offense really only put up seven points defense, obviously led up. The fifty one points did not have a sack on the day to not force a turnover on the day and all of that. And that goes back a little bit to my the start of my conversation. I had on Dunlap and Atkins disappeared in these games. Pittsburgh being one this one being another Carolina being another. These are these guys need to step up in these big games against these good teams, and they have been doing it. So they're not free of blame. Either fakes gauge I. A pre sheet the comp complimentary hair appreciate it. Anyway, guys. I'm gonna get outta here training joy the rest of your Sunday. Maybe take a break from football. I don't know. I don't know what the what the true thing with the true remedy is after a game like this. But we'll see. If you can join us on our podcast or download it. The orange black insider bagels podcast. It's on since he juggled dot com. You can get it on YouTube on Stitcher on Google play on I tunes. It's on juggled. Calm. Like, I said, and it's on art nineteen so go check that out pre sheet everybody tunes into that. And then you can also get all the news analysis. Opinions updates everything on since jungled dot com. Keep it there. Keep it to the Facebook our Facebook page here. Appreciate you guys taking time out of your Sunday after the game to chat with me. Leave your comments. Always appreciate it. Hopefully, like these videos, and hopefully the Bengals turn things around enjoy the rest of your weekend. And we'll see next week. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from SP nation. And I wanna tell you about my new show. It seemed smart it's smart as a show about people doing things that for some reason or another seem smart at the time. 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Listener Questions: Hue's capabilities, Lewis' defense and indoor facilities

Cincy Jungle

20:42 min | 3 years ago

Listener Questions: Hue's capabilities, Lewis' defense and indoor facilities

"Bernard. That's a good segue into one quick little segment that we're talking about. We're going to be talking about in its little off the cuff. We didn't prep for this John. But again, I wanna give a shoutout to. Believe it was be hearty. Because like I said I was away from the news today. So I couldn't really see a lot of stuff. And unfortunately, I don't really know this young lady who is a local Cincinnati per news personality. But be hardy tipped tipped us off. You're saying Meghan. I think it's my DO on heal from general twelve tweeted indoor practice facility approved by bangles in Hamilton county while let me let me back up. It's not approved that has made it's moving forward. But this is kind of a big deal. It says according to commit this going back to Megan's. Twitter account. She's at Meghan Mondeo on Twitter, according to Commissioner poor tune Bengals will pay quote at it's so cost and expense for new new indoor practice facility, but Bengals PR says the lease agreement with county gives them the option to building indoor practice facility, but no specific plans at this time. Encouraging not really news. What what your take on John from what I heard they like took the thirty million account counties hand in order to purchase Atlanta, whatever in like putting off the like the end of the lease or whatever. But also, I don't think I don't think we ever heard that they had plans to do it because they're on foreign is Asian. One of the more the one of the most profitable or most valuable organizations in the world if they wanted the practice facility by now they could have had one, but the obviously share one with the versus natty in a bubble. That's only open for about five months of the year. This was a nice move by them. I'll give them credit for that to take pressure off of Hamilton county. But. I don't think this. This will lead to them doing something that just never done before. Even if they had the prime opportunity to do. So because Mike is no dogging you can't really teach them new tricks in that sense. So good move by them. But I don't think it means much going forward for doing something that every other team north of than of Cincinnati has. Yeah, they've done some baby steps in terms of think they've added. Some some newer nicer screens in the stadium a few years back. They revamped the weight weight room in the locker rooms and all that stuff to kinda give them a lift in. They look nice. And I remember the players using social media kinda bragging about other looked and all that kind of stuff. So there's little little things. I think this indoor practice facility is something that not only the team needs. But is isn't attracted to outset free agents. You know, I mean, it's something when you pursue outside free agent. And you don't have this and perhaps some like Minnesota because Mike Zimmer Marg Lewis probably like to covets of sim. Players and free agency. Minnesota has it Cincinnati doesn't that may that may make a difference to announce free-agent coming to potential team knows, but it is sign again, we talked about this team. Not really. Keeping up with the times in a lot of respects. And this this seems to be one of those things, but have you ever seen? Minnesota silly though, I have it was like build like two years ago when the new city was gorgeous. It's it's got all the offices and stuff along with the field. It's more than just the brackets facility. And I just there's just no reality of the Bengals ever gonna out that much money to invest in their players coaches. Unfortunately, that Sam I mean, if it's just a sad sad reality face, I guess as a bangles fan, and as the Bengals employees would think that the coaches don't these are older coaches, these guys they don't like being out in the cold and the snow. So mania. It's it's a harsh reality face. Something may be changing in the near future. Based on these tweets again, thank you to be hardy in our in our live YouTube chat for a little bit of the tip off their headed seen that. But as as a read that I looked on her Twitter account and saw that and very interesting, obviously, if something happens, we will keep you updated on this show and as well as cincy jungle, speaking of cincy, jungled dot com. You can get our show there. You can get it on our nineteen tunes. You can get it on YouTube. You can get it on Google play an Stitcher. So please do so we received a lot of feedback in a lot of new subscriber subscribers lately. So thank you very much for batch. We're going to be taking we're still taking texts throughout the so the show. So if you wanna get in touch with us at anytime via text you get in touch with us nine four nine five four to six two four one or. You can give us a call nine four nine five four to sixty four one towards the end of the show when we. We are taking some calls. We've already got some questions queued up, but we'll try and get to yours drank at collartoo in. If we are able I wanted to get to this one, I John because this was I would assume listener who is listening to the show for quite some time. But they made the first time they are able to join the show live, which is cool. And I definitely pre that given my screw up yesterday in terms of myth leading some of the listeners. It was in the cincy jungle comment thrash. It's from Jim in reading first time streaming live does Jackson's return make you think he's next in line for the head coach. We talked about that a little bit. But also kind of a little if you want to reiterate your thoughts on that John I'll take that. But also the little caveat year secretly hoping Todd Bowles is our next defensive coordinator. He might be on the hotseat New York where your thoughts on that. Jose mainly. He responded guesses. Not a secret anymore. Tumbles. Get fired. I don't know. I didn't look that up. They. Undermined anyways. Yeah. Todd Bowles yet success obviously in Arizona gone the job with jets. But I'd I don't follow the jets in. I've heard literally no nothing good about him. In terms of how he's handled the offense in these had town on the defense. A lot of that was part of exodus in in the role of Lamin Volkersen, Sheldon Richardson, obviously, Leonard Williams player. So he's decent talent on the defense. But I think right now the jets Raveling he's been on the house for like two years. So, you know, there are there are some coaches who are better as coordinators in the head coaches, we probably have one at head coach the last sixteen years, but both probably fit in that category. As well. When he was with Zona. He did a lot of things in that again as got on the head coaching job in the first place. But yeah, he is he's kinda got proven guys had a lot of years in the league in obvious a lot of experience in sometimes, you know, you just need a role to kinda humble yourself and the net that may be the role for Bowles he's probably Lassen Denver longer than a lot of expected. He would basil. However things going on relaxing, the jets had wind season might have been like in the Mark Sanchez area. But yeah, bowls will be like decent candidate for new defense on usually of the notion of bringing some more younger guys into to kind of lead the charge than invasion in just how defense in offenses are volving. But yeah, both both would be good choice in. Obviously you guys. He has no thoughts about Hugh Jackson self my thoughts that yeah. We'll concentrate more of the second part of the question from Jim. Yeah. Like, you said bolsa one of the seems like one of the all-time nice guys in the league. And like some of the other all-time nice guys in the league. Wade phillips. They are. Better coordinators than they are head coaches. You know, we talked a little bit about that potentially. Being the case with Hugh Jackson, his well being better coordinator than a than a head coach manages kinda what what's what history has pointed to, you know, a lot of people also by the way is gonna stuff with Todd Bowles. It doesn't look he's gonna be fired during the season. Probably if the jets don't turn things around he might get fired after the season be out there. The other guy that might be out there that again has ties to the Bengals Marv Lewis is Joseph in Denver defensive guy. He might not last after this season as well. So those guys make sense of gonna say this about bowls though, bowls primarily run a three four defensive look at both in Arizona in New York amount steak, so the Bengals me with some I now on and what they do or bulls would have to change his philosophy. I think if he were to come to Cincinnati. So that's something to think about if he were to come there. I'm not intimately familiar with the jets what they run. But I I'm almost positive at times there is on around a lot of three four under his his watch. So. Think about there was one other question. I saw. Oh, no. I remember what it was. It was actually there was one on on Twitter and thick. It was more again about. Is about you. Shocker. Fire and brimstone. They follow us. I think they gotta follow a lot of different podcasts different teams and stuff. But they said question what to Hugh Jackson tournament? Patricia having common answer great position. Coach not so great head coach good pickup for the Bengals. Do you agree with that? And we just talked about position coaches and everything and better assistant than than head coach. It's easy to say that with you. Because the you know, the what is it? The three wins in three seasons with Cleveland. But he also did a lot of things in Oakland. They were eight Nate at what he lost his starting quarterback guy. Carson Palmer all that stuff was run out of town there. They were buying for the playoffs in most people who know about the Bengals in their shortcomings as an organization probably also know the issues similar issues with the raiders and their ownership and all of that. Yeah. They spend some money, but they're kind of a mess in a lot of aspects as well. So there's a little under the surface stuff with you Jackson as a head coach. But overall, I mean, I don't wanna make you repeat yourself ten times. But just some additional thoughts on that. And if he should just remain coordinator position coach, and he can be successful in that route. Well, the only again, the only organization will ever get another head coaching job is here. So if he wants to prove himself. The third time. This is the place to do it. But with you, I kinda think that that opens season was the nominally because. I think someone said this another since you don't comment round Twitter. He was not the coach that you want capping obvious the pronounce the loan of Bengals fan bislama games. He said he Jackson's not the kind of coach that you want to really start things from scratch. He's kinda guy that maybe to take over a team that's kind of already established has culture going. He's not the kinda guy. The would you would want to bring his own culture. And I guess if you wanna say that Cleveland's like the worst place to do that than fine. So be regardless didn't hail solve at all. Well, that's still something I'm not willing to forgive. But the opposite like Marvin Lewis read as Marvin Lewis degrade job of bringing in his own culture to the Bengals making them at least somewhat competitive after they were just garbage for twelve years. So he's kind of like the opposite of Marvin Lewis in the sense where he can potentially get you from point b to c while Marvin Lewis eight, but regardless, you know, his personality it just. Doesn't rub off to me is like the kind of people wanna fall behind his leader. And I think that obviously that boats weld for Morris as innocent role or just like a under study or whatever you wanna say or just as coordinator. So obviously, Hugh has capped his net maximum ability as a coach as a coordinator any again, he did that in twenty fifteen with a very healthy offense, very potent offense offense that he didn't really have much part in building in just kind of just maximize, you know, very great towns invested their ability and don't think that that's tune presses considering when the Bengals didn't have love town twenty fourteen love that was injured didn't do very well in. It's just it's just the fact that more gas were helping twenty fifteen and he was able to do what everyone because he had talent to work with so just with all those things. Yeah. Jackson is obviously better according to because he has less responsibilities as a leader as voice that locked room in his less margin for error for him to. Royally screwed things up in leave a burning building hind. I like that that take of. That take of you know, Jackson's a guy who can kind of carry the torch, maybe as a head coach. Whereas Lewis is a guy that can any. We've seen him do it. He's basically rebuilt the Bengals three times at least in his in his tenure with the bagels and made them successful. But again, he's not the guy to really win. Those big games win the playoff games get a championship. So I I don't know. And that's that's kind of the commender by Mike Brown has been trying to figure out with Lewis and all of that. There's not much more to say, we talk a lot about Hugh Jackson, not much more to say, and we can cross the bridge. I guess later on when you know, if when he is named a head coach of this team. We're really running running up on time. I guess we'll end with this to this question for Andrew interstellar. Good friend in be you to judge. Do you guys? Do you guys think this defense has the talent to turn it around in? Do you think it was all on Austin? Obviously, the talent term it around probably has to do with injuries. We talked a lot about defense in. Maybe what's ahead. But do you think that again can be much worse? But do you think there's gonna be a noticeable? Difference in Jacqueline noticeable difference in getting off the field on third down a noticeable difference in body language, which I saw was very has been very poor recently on that side of the ball. Do you think that that stuff is going to change? And if so is that just basically a general dight man on terra Lawson? So yeah to like you said injuries have played monumental part. In the ministering. What town was on this team at the start of the season. Because a lot of thought, hey, this is a top five -fensive line is one of the better secondaries in the league with just individual town there and those two things are going to carry the linebackers who are largely improvement. So now in terms of tackling getting better that probably doesn't have until Nick Mitchell gets back on the field who's been their best linebacker the season. Gam fulfilling third-down has lots to do with their pass rush, which has taken a step back since Carlson is torn is ACL. That's another injury that they have to deal with engine. General body language. I do think that that will probably improve at least in the early on with off now the door and the players playing from our Lewis rather than Austin, someone they like, obviously all all that. But yeah, injuries are playing a large part in determining what this defense wants was ends really hard to really turn around ten weeks into the season. But again, if anybody can do that probably Louis when he's he's going to have to get some of those guys back. He's probably gonna get Denard back needs capacity be healthy from his concussion the need to get the need to get an individual BAC busy really has carried the linebacking corps when he's on the field in again before Nick vigils your best linebacker. You're not you know, we still have issues there. So, you know, the defense align stores were two terms compensating without Lawson. I think that's probably the biggest issue that they have is that they're one of the they are the worst third down defense in the NFL because they just can't pressure the quarterback to make a bad decision on that money down in. If they can't. Do that in the back seven gets enough. And then if you can't make those crucial tackles sure, the sticks those first downs piling up in pollen up. I think the saints had like twenty or something in the first half. It's only it was something ridiculous. A lot of it had to do with Brees not getting anybody in his face. Just finding guys with open spaces because he said all the time in the world do that. So it Louis gonna get really creative in terms of how he pressures these quarterback tweak in glad obviously that they that. He hasn't rehashing tackling drills because the has been issuing you'll have your best linebacker out there. That's always gonna be something to work on the I loved I loved the the tweet you put out this week think it was yesterday, actually. And it looked like he grabbed the video clip may be from either all twenty two or something like that. And many of you follow John. And I recommend you do so on Twitter if you are on Twitter at John underscore, Sharon. Basically, there's video comes his Mike questions are endless, Gino hovered Brown defending the same spot. Jackson just conceding the first down yet. I mean that the reason we got up and down. Yeah. I it just it's it's what. It's what we've seen this year, and you go what in it's kinda like the thing with Paul Guenther where he would put like Carlos Dunlap in coverage. You know in your kind of going, it just doesn't make sense. So I'm hoping that some of that stuff is not going to take place. I'm hoping Marvin Lewis I worry about him dumbing down the defense so much that it becomes predictable. But if he can simplify things and get guys reacting in using instincts more than thinking so much. If that was the problem, then you know, there's a lot of athletes on that side of the ball. So that'll be good. Once again, I apologize to you into the listeners about the past couple of days starting late in some different tricks have been pulling but appreciate you hanging in there listeners. Joining us submitted questions all that stuff but Toepfer Bengals win over the ravens right the ship. Took Lewis has a little tricks to pull out of his magic hat there and Bengals two to six four writing ship. John, Sharon, I'm Anthony Kazan's. We will see you next episode. Thanks again day on nine. Non non. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from Espy nation. And I wanna tell you about my new show. It seems smart. It's smart as a show about people doing things that for some reason or another same smart at the time. 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The Steelers Preview, Part 2: The coaching confidence index for the Steelers 2021 defensive staff

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The Steelers Preview, Part 2: The coaching confidence index for the Steelers 2021 defensive staff

"Are pittsburgh steeler fans. Welcome back to part two of the steelers preview. i'm jeff hartman co editor behind the dot com joining me as always brian. Anthony davis podcast producer. David goldfield the other co editor of said website behind the curtain dot com. Makes you check that out early and often every single day and we're talking about the defensive confidence index. We did this last week with the offense. Now we're going to the defense reason we're not spending as much time on defense is that there aren't as many coaches on the defensive side of the football. When i was looking up the coaching staff. I was really shocked. At how few defensive coaches there are in one of the reasons is the first talk about start at the top defensive coordinator key butler. He is just the defensive coordinator. He's also the outside linebacker coach so he actually has. He carries to duties for the pittsburgh steelers. So on a scale from one to ten for those. That might not have been with us last week. One is all my gosh. I have no confidence at all. Ten is. I'm extremely confident. In this person to do their job. Where do you fall on. The confidence ranking with keith butler. Brian go ahead. I'm going to say a soft seven with keith. Butler. and you know. That's that's probably last week. I wanna little high with coaches y-yo butlers one of those things one of those guys that his scheme for so many years was disappointing. It seemed like some of the players came in like make offense. Patrick was finally on his team. You had your t. J. watt coming alive. Which were they get a lot of sacks even when they were getting a lot of sacks in sixteen and seventeen they. You're scoring a lot of points on this team. The way that the score points on them at the end of the season in december made me pause in think that have we anointed him as being okay and look not a not a problem anymore or is it because of some of the other coaches around them and the quality of players that he has. So i'm still a little leery of keith butler is best served as you're outside linebackers coach and i have a lot of confidence if he's just you're outside line back coach but he's not so with that. Let's let's say us off seven soft seven. Dave go heart seven. I'm not sure. David e think what's your confidence ranking. I'm going to do something i had this. In my mind the whole time before the live chat was chiming in He's got to roles he gets two grades. He's a five as the defensive coordinator but he's an eight as the outside linebackers coach. If you know what. I mean So that's why. I kind of agree with brian. Soft seven so that. I can see the i. It's funny because you're like. Oh well the defense is really turned around. I don't know bet it's butler or just the just a combination of their great talent that they've compiled along with the other coaches. I don't i would not give all the credit to butler. Maybe he deserves it. But from what i see. I don't know them ready to do that. Let's just say this if he were to suffer a lot of losses in personnel even more than last year. How will he respond to that. I don't know we would. We would see so. I'm not overly confident with him. As a you know to handle other situations in a defensive coordinator also not still not confident for him to get the right personnel in the field. I'm still mad about john. Kasich covering keenan allen. That's why i don't have that there but when it comes to a position coach i think he does a fine job. I hold on a second though. The all said this in. it's okay. So you're talking about the other coaches. Can we rewind the tape back to todd. Haley when the offense was actually legitimately a threat. Okay this is randy land here. Was anyone saying why don't know. How much is this todd haley. Maybe it is a blaine stewart. His assistant wide receivers coach. Maybe he's just doing a great job out. there is any. Did anyone say that. Ever or healy there at the same time. They were overlap for like a year. Yeah not law was saying that the reason to run the ball was it's it's james saxon. That's why that's why would anyone ever say. Why are we saying this for butler in the defensive coaching staff in its nominee. Not that way on the other side of the ball did they have that many number one picks on the offensive side of the ball. The talent you owe said the other coaches. I'm not talking about the players. I'm talking about you. All are citing that the coaches and the defensive coaching staff or somehow saving his life. I noted you blow and yet we wouldn't. We wouldn't be secondary coach. I think in order to do a better job because that's not his strength. I'm not disagreeing with you dave. I'm saying they'll do. We nitpick offense coordinator is the same way. Did we say well todd. Haley would just had better wide receivers coach. May we probably would have been. We would have had something. I don't think that's the case got ours in why we're nitpicking the defense and we didn't do it on the offense. Go ahead. brian wednesdays. You know i think we're going to talk about this guy and a little bit. It's terrible austin. When he came in things got better things changed in with out but that year started off really bad the first two weeks of two thousand and nineteen were horrendous. In what happens. Vince williams gets better. You bring in making fitzpatrick and then austin has a lot to do by bringing him in as assistant defensive coordinator as well as a secondary coach. If i'm not mistaken yeah. He's a defensive assistant coach. I think i will get to him. Intersections we'll get help solidify things so that was a huge higher. So that's why we're talking about about this this way the offensive coordinator when we're talking about randy land last year and all of that. It's not because of the running backs coach and the the The other coach. But when you have adt assistant defensive coordinator were like dave just said you know you've got have somebody coming in helping stabilize things. So he got some help. Not saying he's garbage. Just saying that. I don't know there's so many different ways you can look at it when you have a good staff that helps make you look so much better it. It means something again not disagreeing with the just trying to make sure it's even here on both sides of the football and then i wanted to say something else. If there's a coach on this football team that is almost impossible to give a grade to. Its him in need a why he has two hats. You have terra lawson in. Let's not forget that the head coach of this football team has his fingerprints all over the divas and we have no clue what mike tomlin is or is not doing in terms of game planning every single week on the defensive side of the ball. He said openly that he does. He's in the offense of meetings and he might give his input. But you know he's a defensive guy that's what he's always coached. He was defensive coordinator minnesota before he was hired in pittsburgh. He was coaching the secondary in tampa bay. Before that. and so you you obviously were at the point now. We're as we talk this out. Who knows what keith butler even does. Let's be honest. we don't know what he's doing. He had the title. But that's it that's really it. That's it i don't let me just say this. Nobody's calling for his head here. I'm david einhorn either but if we just have to look at grades and i thought dave's grade was even more fair than mine because of the way he broke it down. All's on saying is the fact that you know if you want us to give everybody nine since everything's perfect we can. I'm not saying you jeff. But i'm just saying that this is a this is a whole lot different than the offense coordinator situation. Dave go ahead even wanted to say something. Yeah ever since you brought up the whole notion of not holding a i honestly. I'm going to say. I think it was the other side of the ball that made us think this way. It no joke the mic munch the mike moustakas debris seriously then that affects to where all of a sudden someone who wasn't the offensive coordinator is gone. You didn't realize how much she had his hand in the running game itself that it seemed like rainy land had no no idea what to do in a running game and therefore. Because you're like well maybe butler didn't know as much what he needed to do with the secondary and then you bring in another coach in there to build that. That might be what they were looking for that. I think that's where that comes from. I think it's the offensives fault to tell you the truth. I give grade yet. I'm going to give butler a grade of a outside linebackers coach. I'm gonna give him a nine. Because i think he is a really good outside linebackers coach as defensive coordinator. Incomplete navy will get a six. I don't know way does what he does. So all right. That was good. That was a good discussion. I'm glad all right. Let's move to that. Senior defensive assistant slash secondary coach. It's none other than terra lawson who some think is it is a maybe not the steelers but a defensive coordinator waiting. He did interview with the tennessee. Titans offseason what's your confidence level coach austin who by the way was the defensive coordinator in cincinnati before coming to pittsburgh bronco head. It was bad in cincinnatti and might have not been much better in. I believe he was in detroit as well detroit miles through but i really like what he's doing here and i just thought he brought some stability to the whole thing so i'm going to go ahead and i'm going to give him an eight and a half dave browser. I was good at. I was believing. Still lines i was teetering between eight or nine. I'm gonna i'll eight and a half. My thing is. I think my honest opinion between coach austin and coach butler them each doing their own thing with individual group and giving half of the effort towards the defensive coordinator makes one good defensive coordinator in my opinion because in essence. That's what he's doing. Is that secondary coach. I and i think that's why some of these guys are better built for that. You know kind of like coach. Lebeau was not a head coach. He was a better defensive coordinator. There are guys that are better position coaches than they would be coordinators. We were worried. That was keith butler for a while. I think that might be terro austin but he might be better than that and that's why this system works if they're honestly working together with him being knocked that defensive assistant coach. If that's the case. I love that and i love what i mean you gave them the right tools in the secondary. Maybe this year. We'll see more of what we can get from him. They're based on. What are you gonna do now. That you don't ha- you know now you're missing one of the corners that you had. What are you going to do there. How's that going to work. We'll see but i. I do a lot of confidence in. i'm gonna go. They moved aid. Because i it's it's very obvious the impact he's had on the secondary since coming over and now awesome stuff. Eight nineteen eighty three great year by the way Zero was born. As was he a. He keeps asking who replaced bradley. Tom bradley in the seconds. This coach next to secondary coach grady brown. That's right grady brown. He's a first year coach in the nfl. Not a first year coach in general. He coached in a lot of spots in college. Relative unknown a relative unknown. He obviously is going to have austin's help in the secondary brian. It we don't know much about this young man but what your agree on him. I don't wanna give the man incomplete. Because that's not fair. But i know very little so when i think about a new guy coming in. You're just asking what my confidence level is. So my confidence level is a six with an arrow pointing up. That's fair dave. You also my confidence levels a three and a half where hoping that he can over. I mean he didn't have a great resume. May i mean eight days. Before he was hired by the steelers he was hired at the university of houston. You know remember that. He got hired at houston. That never did anything. I mean he was he was some other. He was like at smaller schools. Like macneice state as defensive coordinator. And then he was old dominion of before that so it was. I think he was stop at louisville or somewhere along the way. It's not like he's coming in with with the with the biggest credentials. That's why because i haven't seen him as a pro. I don't know that. I'd have tons of confidence in them because i hadn't even heard of him but now we'll tell you the truth you say. He's the secondary coach. He's really the assistant secondary coach. Yeah if you really want if you really want to break that down. That is really what he is so with that. Then i would feel much more confident with him knowing that if it. So the tarot austin factor comes into play there or because he's basically working with him then. I'm not worried about it or i can say well. It's only a three and a half. But i don't think it really matters right now because he's i coming in to do it. Yeah this is when you get into the minutiae of a coaching staff. That it's tough. It's tough to gauge. I'm gonna give him a grade based on what my expectations would be from him. It's going to be just a solid five and a half I think that if the maybe this is a situation. I do not want anyone to them saying this is if i avenue insider information but bradley sometimes you got the phillies older guy. Maybe he didn't communicate well with the players they didn't even if the players didn't react voltage him. He had never been in the nfl either. He had been at ucla at penn state. Maybe one or the scouting department new this gentlemen and said he's a guy that could come in relate while the players the listen to him he'll be a good addition and maybe that's why they bring him in woolsey we shall see. Let's go to Off everyone loves this coach inside linebackers. Jerry oh jerry all sassy former steelers player former pitt product. Jerry has been doing this for a while now. i think. I think he's got like six or seven years that the team but Brian confidence in the inside linebacker coach ten. Then all i have to say to you. When i say ten is roberts spelane drop the mic on that one. Because roberts bylane will tell you everything about what you get when you have jerry. Oh on that. Coaching staff manning those manning that team you had devin bush junior gone. You had a situation where vince williams was often covid. You had spelane gone with that injury as well and they still. I know things faltered a little bit. But they still held down the fort with guys like avery williamson in there Marcus allen coming up there. He a lot of those guys better. I really liked what they have in the middle. Of course you needed a. You'll spend high on a draft. Pick on devon bush junior but when you when devon bush junior goes down and you bring in robert spelane and we love his name. I was calling him the legacy you guys were calling on mic. Everybody had names for this guy spilling. But that's that's what when i think of how good that they are in the middle and they have in the past couple of years and i think of another guy. Like vince williams. I think it has a rubber stamp from the former number fifty. Five jerry. L. dave gradient. Jerry oh oh i'll go with a i'm torn bit. I'll go a nine point two five. Because i couldn't decide between nine and nine and a half unless he's doing an interview then it's twelve because i love love his stuff with that i mean i i when i really like is that it's just inside linebackers. It's not linebackers it's inside linebackers. I think that's a very smart move to separate that and have a guy that's right. They're doing that you know it'll be sad if he ever gets promoted somewhere else. Because i i think he's really the right guy in the right place right now from the steelers. I'm gonna go the nine. And i feel like he's the anti joey porter a former player. Beloved by the fan base comes back coaches in his actually good at what he does Joey porter was born known for his on the field in cincinnati or getting arrested off the field Jerry oh is a tremendous coach in like you said he's also a tremendous interview. So go ahead. Dave so i was gonna say. Would you wanna talk about former players. You want to know what kind of former players make. Great coaches not superstars. You're talking about the guys that work hard and put in the time and they're good at what they are not because that came to them naturally. It's because they worked hard at it. I would honestly. I'm gonna tell you some day. Dirty red tyler medicaid. Which even though he's out anymore he's going to be. He's the kind of guy that would be a good football coach. You know what i'm saying. Example there's a reason why the greatest hockey player to ever put on skates has never been successful head. Coach wayne gretzky. 'cause he's probably getting the locker guy just got to do it just go. It's easy coach. it's not easy. You're the greatest hockey player ever. That's not easy all right right. Let's get to continue down this path. We have two more coaches left. The defensive line coach karl dunbar former from the criminal alabama crimson tide. He came to pittsburgh how many years ago is at three or four. Maybe when coach mitchell was promoted to the assistant coach role. I believe anyways. Dunbar who did have a large role in keeping mr lulu in pittsburgh brian. What are your confidence in coach. Dunbar if i give jerry os ten. I'm giving karl dunbar ten as well and it can go to a few things you mention tyson the lula not just. Let's forget about what a great move he made in. You just mentioned by making sure. Hey don't sign that jacksonville. Think about it. That was awesome. That was mentoring in the off season. That was great. That was making a phone call. But everybody's freaking out when giovane hargrave is gone. Bring enticing tyson. A lulu i mean. Gosh really that defensive line is great you have got a former number one in a former number two. You know what you haven't hayward and you know what you have into it. But when you get isaiah. Bugs and carlos davis on the field and remember carlos. Davis is simply this guy in the words of one jeffrey benedict. This guy is bad at if you remember. When that first happened he he amended that. So we're not. We're not gonna read world but you got carlos davis to play when everybody thought when he was drafted. It was drafted. Because hey this might be then of daniel colors but the thing about this is davis. Now we're excited about this guy because when you bring in a guy in the draft at defensive line in isaiah lodder milk. What's the first thing. Dave scofield says. Why are they doing this. It has nothing to do with isaiah louder milk. It's like they're so crowded there and the reason they're so crowded is because karl dunbar who coaxed isaiah bugs in college. Who coached frazier before and frazier. Didn't make it but they frazier. The did go down. But what back to his alabama coaching days and brought in bugs and sixth round pick. You don't expect anything out of him either. So this guy. He's like mc hammer. He's magic on the mic dave. What's your confidence ranking for coach dunbar. Okay i have to do this i brian. What's the last name of the steelers nose tackle. It's tyson follow what you were saying. It's alu the while lou you know. I have to look at pronunciation all the time backwards. So i'm sorry. I i had a bust into that song. I couldn't help it you know. Could you gotta do the same thing with paula. Knowledge allama palazzolo media and some of the media. It was funny anyway. Back to karl dunbar going. I'll go nine point seven five on this one. Because i was bouncing between nine and a half and a ten and it's because of what you see the first of all when you've got the guys that you've got your first job is don't screw it up you've got came hayward got to it. You've got aloe aloe Those up then. He's developing guys. Like carlos davis that they must have seen something that they could do. You know and and honestly. I started to get a little bit excited about as a hill out her milk. I kind of am. I didn't get why they did what they did but because they did i i could see him. Not necessarily this year but being someone that they feel like he's got the tolls and we can get him to do the right thing Love coach dunbar. But kind of again. I think john mitchell also might have his hand in there a little bit which really helps especially with all these guys that they have but whether he does or he doesn't. I'm so conference with what they do at that position. I'm gonna go with an eight and a half for coach dunbar. Think he's a great addition. I do think the more we talk about this comparing it to last week show. Maybe it's because there's a lotta new offensive phases in the coaching staff with clam in canada. Especially alfredo roberts is new. You have morgan. As the assistant line coach. I really hope that. If i'm mike tomlin like look at the defensive coaching staff. They all help on. Looks like you know with other getting help from austin austin helping out in the defensive backs and i guarantee you. Mitchell is still helping with the defensive line. My gosh if the officer staff to get that cohesion you might see a little bit better of a game. Plan and randy. Land sucks okay. I'm gonna go with eight and a half. We're going to skip over the last coach because we struggled to get through stewart. His assistant wide receivers coach last week. We're running short on time. I wanna get loose mentioned. His name is outside linebacker. Coach dame denzel martin so denzel martin. Congratulations you're on the team. All right lets you have trivia. I do have trivia trivia. I have a quick one yes. Let's do brian. i then days bad brian. Okay we just talked about old number fifty. Five jerry olsavsky. That was not his first number with pittsburgh steelers. What will does it fifty. One david asd. Yeah i should know this scandal. I was. I was thinking it was in the forties or was it in the nineties. D'souza london ninety one ninety one. Debbie crosby has ninety two in one thousand nine hundred magical year of nineteen thousand nine when he was a rookie wore number. Ninety two all right. I was close day trivia. Don job through support you guys with birthdays in the live chat. I'm surprised you didn't give a shout out today. I still have time. Okay all right my my my trivia. This one this one is nice is a nice quick when we're talking. I gotta be careful. That i don't use too many mathematical terms. We're talking positive injures here okay in other words have done this whole numbers from one to ninety nine. We're talking jersey numbers as well. It's funny to brian jersey numbers. My question is out of the numbers from one. To ninety nine for the pittsburgh steelers. What was the last the last number two ever. According to pro football reference at say that must they screwed up some of that the last number to actually be used in a regular season game for the pittsburgh steelers the latest one to be like you know what i'm saying the one that was the first time it was issued. An on the field was the most recent that makes sense now. What was the last number two ever between between one ninety nine like someone number twenty five in nineteen thirty three. You can take that one off the list. Oh someone did wear the number twenty four until nineteen thirty eight. That one was later. You know that was the last one you know what i'm saying but we'd want to ninety nine. They've used them all. If used all the numbers. What was the last one to get used. Go with ninety right. Jefferson eighty seven. Eighty seven was way off nine close because all of them were in the nineties sitting in question anyway thought not not the nine days i could as jeff what doubleday last. What was the last number to get. Used up by the steelers. You know if you came in. And say i want a numbered. No one's ever worn before. What would have been the last option that there was your nineteen eighty-seven in week hold on. What was it in week. Four was the first time in nineteen eighty-seven that the number ninety seven was worn by one. Joe williams that was the last number of the steelers to be put into circulation regulations. I'm sorry next time. I'll go third grade level questions. Thank you asked actually on this. Usually i would side with dave. 'cause he's right but it's so much fun to side with jeff on this one. That was not a difficult question. Things like i'm gonna jeopardy. Everybody did it like the middle school jeopardy when they have that on. That's right in my wheelhouse navy. Shurmur dick shiner. That's right on the same wavelength all right any other questions. Abors ed all right. Let's see some final thoughts to finish out the show. Brian all right so on the twenty fifth of may mark my first year as the podcast producer. And something that we talked about on the show made me think so. My final thought was something else to do with. Actually the date may twenty fifth. But it made me think. What does keith butler do here. and we're talking about. Maybe his success is because of somebody else and made me think of my situation here because things are going well on the podcast side. We have grown. Actually i would like to tout this on. September twenty fourth of latte of two thousand twenty. We hit one million downloads. Today we hit one million downloads. Four months before and now a lot of people are saying bad. Great job awesome. I can't do this without jeff. Hartmann and dave scofield in a great podcast crew. I can't do it so when we talk about the defensive coordinator because keith butler yeah. He might be doing better. Because terrell lost is there. That's true but i know i would not be doing this without jeff coming back with without dave also so this is definitely a team effort. And that's what the steelers are going through as well so i wanted to bring that up as well. I also wanted to bring something up to we. We do rip on a lot of players we rip on some guys and sometimes we forget the fact that they're human beings and there was one guy that we had a nickname that a lot of people at nickname for. I never really subscribe to this. But i want to bring up a former steeler in ryan switzer and the reason i'm bringing up ryan. Switzer is because yesterday may twenty. Fifth was his son's birthday his first birthday and everything that christian switzer went through in the last year and that family went through was absolutely. It was so harrowing than it became triumphant at the end and to see his tweet about his son's first birthday was absolutely amazing so kudos to christian switzer. God bless you switzer family pulling for you. Keep it up as for sure. That was a tough thing to watch. Watch some good through that but good stuff. Good south in congratulations on this one meal that one billion pretty early as dave go ahead final thoughts. Well i also want to say with that with the one year anniversary that with with Christian switzer is. We also had a story that covered about that. He was a big. He's been messing with that family for his entire first year because the doctors messed up and they were expecting a girl and then they were saying. Yeah mike michael becker in that article and it did quite well But if i can remember that but yeah the that. I kind of puts perspective when things like that happen. I know it's been a rough year for a lot of people and everything else and that's what we're just happy to bring you the content. I do have to say this. Because ken brought it up. He says you guys were struggling. I use the word adventure. So i'm sorry late man i do but have to say is my goodness since. Brian brought that up. How i look forward to thursday nights. I look forward to spending time with you. All seeing the people in the live chat you the people that reach out on twitter. This community of behind the steel curtain. Whether it's through the podcast or the written word is really something special and we really do. Feel like it's the we're here's you guys are sharing your lives with us. We have people in here saying that. It's their birthdays. And happy birthday to you. All and everything i get to say. I gotta wait a week before. I can say that because i got to bring this up later. Then but it's all about our combined love for the pittsburgh steelers. It doesn't matter where we're coming from some you know we've got old guys like brian. Sorry the old guys. We've got young guys. We've got old ladies. We've got young ladies. We've got people from all kinds of different backgrounds all coming together because the pittsburgh steelers are fantastic unifier and i just i can't get over it. How much when. I run into people out there. I was talking to a guy today at my son's in the end of the school and of school picnic. And someone else said hey to me in someone who talking to said. Don't tell me you're a steeler fan too because it's like one of the most defining things about us it's like you can. I mean do people really care if you're a seahawks fan or not not not really well you know. Maybe it's just us. But there's something about steeler fans that just kind of we instantly have that connection. When i see that car that has that emblem on the back or that license plate cover. You know what. I'm gonna let them in and traffic because i just know what it's like and thank you very much jewish family. Yeah i always. I'm always the guy homes and gives a thumbs up whenever i see steelers steelers magnitudes of the novak all right good. I can't. I can't say it any better. I i do want everyone. If you're interested in my thoughts on some of the stuff they talked about. I did mention it in my heart segment on. Let's ride If you don't listen to our morning stuff it's completely different. If you're just a youtuber our morning pipe are totally different than anything else that we do their studio quality. It's it's more prepared and and tightened up so she check it out. I do wanna wish a happy birthday to my daughter. She is our third child. Our second oldest daughter are only middle child. We have five kids. She's right smack dab Eight today and a lot of people in the live chat had birthdays and so for l. elizabeth may or or as we call. La happy birthday. She's she's the best. She's the absolute best. She's a great little girl and she's a heck of a golfer. She's really getting their swing down by the way all. My kids are golfers. So all right with that being said all those live chat. happy birthday. happy birthday Girls have hope you have a great day and hope you have a great weekend coming up immortal days here in the united states of america this weekend we hope you have a great memorial day We will be back as next thursday. Another episode of the steelers freeview. What will we talk about. I don't know you have to show up to find out in the meantime dave orange. Send us out. You go have a great week. Everyone will see. It goes dealers.

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BTSC Steelers Training Camp Recap: Day Seven

Behind the Steel Curtain

07:57 min | Last month

BTSC Steelers Training Camp Recap: Day Seven

"Support for this episode comes from forward. Most people go to the doctor for the one offs like rashes and colds. And your annual flu shot but doctors can do more. That's why you need forward. Their doctors go beyond every day care in an effort to catch top killers like cancer and heart disease early. They use advanced technology to help you reduce risks and achieve long-term results so invest in a doctor. That's invested in you and your long term health at go. Forward dot com. That's go forward. Dot com pittsburgh steelers fans. What's going on. This is jeff hartmann senior editor behind the curtain dot com with you for another training camp. Recap podcast that's right. The pittsburgh steelers have wrapped up their practice for this week. It is exciting to see them back at heinz field. It is exciting to see fans there watching and even though there was a threat of some rain and inclement weather they could potentially keep them away. That was not the case. The pittsburgh steelers still held their practice on thursday. And so here we go. Let's get started the biggest thing in my opinion at of all the news came in and we talked about it yesterday on the recap news is different when fans were there when fans of their they. The the reporting can be more streamlined. It can be more in time meaning as plays or happening. Media can tweet about it. Why because fans are there they can see everything anyways so without said i think james peer james piers where we should start. He is a player that was getting a lot of publicity rightfully so in mini camp and ota's and he is continuing to do that in training camp. James pierre this is from my buddy chris carter from commies at james beard. Punched the ball out from najji harris after a catch he doesn't give up on on the play and has continued to build on his strong minicamp with a strong training camp absolutely and then repreive. Espn's stated the james peers. Getting a lot of work on the outside opposite of cam sutton because joe haden was given a veterans day off today so it looks like all things are positive on the james peer hype train. There've been a lot of people on that train for a really long time. One of them being are very shannon white who writes her behind the curtain dot com. Maybe this young man has a huge role in this team. We shall see an injury. Update from coach mike. Tomlin he's at eric brown with an elbow. And cody white with a hamstring. Were held out of practice. Jalen samuels and dax. Raymond left practice before resorted. They're still being evaluated. Joe haden was given a day off which gave james peer opportunity to get first team. Repetitions remember when they were talking about the defensive backs and this was terra lawson who basically coaches the secondary. He said that they are going to keep cam sutton on the outside. Unless suddenly james pierre proves he's worthy of being the starter in which case they can then move cam sutton elsewhere. So we'll see how that develops tj wad hasn't practiced yet in mike. Thomas asked about that after practice. He said that he is considered day to day. Brook prior. vsbn fold that up by asking what was injured in. Tomlin said he doesn't have to discuss injuries right now. I think tj been frustrated. And maybe it's like a hamstring or something of that nature. But i'm sure that they're just airing on the side of caution. The steelers did not have pads on thursday but they did run the two minute drill so the steelers defense the starting events they stopped the offense of the two and a two minute drill that was led by mason rudolph not ben rothlisberger mason. Did a good job getting him down there but they ran out of time. Mike tomlin seemed unhappy with the clock management And that was brian bad. Go of the pittsburgh post gazette. It should be also know where the with the second-string twain haskins went in and he was able to lead the team down the field for touchdown. Take that for what it's worth mason. Rudolph speaking of he had a really bad interception us picked off by none of them rookie. Oklahoma trae norwood's though the media and obviously made a big deal out of traynor word from oklahoma picking off the oklahoma state quarterback. Mason rudolph is according to brian. Back over the post because that traynor were just picked up a very high very bad throw over the middle did there was no one else around. There's video on behind the curtains. Recap that will air on. Nine o'clock on friday morning Boy mason rudolph had a beautiful throat on the sideline juju smith schuster. And he just he just couldn't bring it down. It wasn't that it was a diving. Catch it basically hit off his face mask not a good finish not a good finish by judy smith schuster but he did have a couple of nights catches on the day pat for our meath continues to be a player that is getting noticed he had a nice catch down the sideline over calvin bondage from dwayne haskins the nells off of play action which is worth noting and speaking of dwayne haskins delivered that ball to pad farm youth. The dwayne hype train continues brook. Prior reports twain. Haskins is looked pretty good in his seven shot reps and you don't know what seven shot is every day start practice. The steelers put the ball to two yard line in their seven plays and who wins the defense they keep them out of the end zone or the offense to the score and said dwayne haskins his looked really good in those those type of settings he got two more looks. Today i was a beautiful. Throw to tyler simmons. I score the next was on the money or sounded like it was for dax raymond but the tight end couldn't grab it so it seems like so far so good for dwayne haskins speaking of seven shots and update their dale ali of decay pittsburgh. Sports dot com. Offense wins seven shots for two three nights catch by chase klay pool over sutton. From ben rothlisberger. James beer had coverage on juju on an incompletion klay pool motion from right to left inside in. Cut an easy touchdown from rothlisberger as well. And then lastly there's a potter update. That's right anyone that listens to my left ride. Podcast is that. I'm very engaged. In who the punter is going to be for the steelers. I'm rooting hard. For presley harbin. The third we'll see. Joe rutter reports thursdays practice provided a chance for the punters to get some work. Mike tomlin said quote. Those guys have been battling we respect all the battling going on out here so the snappers. They don't get a lot of attention but we value it. So that's kind of the only update we've had on the punter battle. I did notice it a couple of fans that are their attendance said that presley. Harvard has had some really nice kicks. And so that's worth noting as well. The pittsburgh steelers they will Have practice again on on friday so i will be back. I believe they have practice on saturday as well and then they will have the day off on sunday so i will be here every single time that they have practiced to deliver a training camp. Recap podcast in the meantime as always finished it out be safe be kind and god bless make sure behind the curtain dot com or one stop shop for all things pittsburgh steelers will see you tomorrow. Take it easy support for this episode comes from forward. Most people go to the doctor for the one offs like rashes and colds. And your annual flu shot but doctors can do more. That's why you need forward. Their doctors go beyond every day care in an effort to catch top killers like cancer and heart disease early. They use advanced technology to help you reduce risks and achieve long-term results so invest in a doctor. That's invested in you and your long term health at go. Forward dot com. That's go forward. Dot com support for this episode. Comes from t. mobile. We're a lot more than just baseball. Fans we're baseball fanatics and thanks to t mobile. We can stay connected to the game. We love with five g. and more places t. Mobile is your ticket to the game so whether your home or away. You're never far from your favorite team with america's largest and fastest five gene network. Don't get caught looking switch to t mobile the leader in five g. today fastest according to open singles awards based on average speeds usa five g. Experience report able two thousand twenty one. C five g. device coverage access details at t. Mobile dot com.

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BTSC Steelers Training Camp Recap: Day Four

Behind the Steel Curtain

08:07 min | 2 months ago

BTSC Steelers Training Camp Recap: Day Four

"Support for this episode comes from t. Mobile we're a lot more than just baseball fans we're baseball fanatics and thanks to t mobile. We can stay connected to the game. We love with five gene more places. T. mobile is your ticket to the game so whether your home or away. You're never far from your favorite team with america's largest and fastest five gene network. Don't get caught looking switch to t mobile the leader and five g. today fastest according to open signal awards based on average speeds in usa five g. experience report able two thousand twenty one five device coverage and access details at t. Mobile dot com. Pittsburgh steelers fans. What's going on. This is jeff. Harbin senior editor behind the steel curtain dot com with you for another episode of the steelers training camp recap. They have four days in the steelers are about to have a day off but it is a situation where it's time that we go over. What happened on sunday. In regards to the pittsburgh steelers when they are they were at the. Up rooney's sports complex on the south side of pittsburgh. When they returned to practice on tuesday they will be at heinz field. There will be any fans in attendance until wednesday but the pads will be coming on when they report to heinz field and dad should be exciting for everyone that's going to be an attendance So far so good and from the injury front there have been some injuries of noble. Talk about that right off the bat. The steelers are really struggling center. Basically the fact that jaycee has now or did not practice on sunday. He was seen wearing a knee. Brace walking around they said or. I'm sorry that mike tomlin said that he is listed his day to day. Also zach banner. Who's coming off of an acl tear in week. One of last season he has not been dressing. The last few days tomlin hinted that could change once the pads come on Kendrick green who missed last practice on saturday with a personal reason was back so was. Bj fitting antoine brooks junior left practice early but was described as having nothing major so the worst of injuries to deal with in. That's part of camp is part of game as long as you don't have those season ending. Acl's or achilles ruptures. Then you're good for the most part now the the one rookie in it's kind of surprising. When you think about the rookie class you would think you would be hearing a lot about nause harris. I'm sure we will hear more about him. Once they put pads on. I typically when running back shine. Not when they're in shorts and but really we haven't heard from harris today. You hear a lot about pad fryer mus- second round. Pick out of penn state. Marco volley of the athletic says quote steelers. Rookie tight end. Pat firm. youth has been really good all summer including the past four days of camp. He's passed that test but it'd be going big one awaits next week when the pads come on and what mr kabbalah is talking about is his blocking ability fryer muse can run routes. He can catch the football. That's not a problem. He's very athletic. But blocking kenny due to the nfl level we will see also another reporter said that one of the standout place. Today pat farm youth ran a fade into the back of the endzone made impressive toe tapping grab when asked about his impressions of fryer. Me's mike tomlin says he's been impressed in farm. Youth has been readily prepared each day. So good news so far from the second round. Pick out of penn state terra lawson was. The he's the defensive backs coach in a senior assistant for the defensive staff. Vivas of coaching staff. He was asked about ben rothlisberger deep passing and he said quote. Oh he's still got an arm so that's good news when it comes to ben rothlisberger czar. Speaking of the secondary austin said that he wants to keep cam sudden at the outside cornerback position for now and see how the slot position pans out with brooks and arthur molet. He didn't rule out a significant jump. By someone like james pierre. Justin lane changing those plans and putting sudden inside so he's not ruling that out but as of right now it sounds like cam sutton is at least gonna start on the outside of that defensive secondary trae turner was also in front of the microphone today the first time the media got a chance to talk to the newly acquired guard and he spoke glowingly about how he likes the aggressive nature of the offensive line heading into twenty twenty one Talked about adrian klemm at canada. Good news so far on that front. But he also talked about david decastro. When asked about replacing to castro. He said quote. I just look at it like it's a new era a different time different places. Everything has an expiration date at some point quote. Decastro is a great player. And i wouldn't necessarily say. I'm replacing him. I'm just the new right guard and quote so a lot of respect from turner decastro as he takes over that right guard position. Speaking of respect he gave a ton of respect to one former steeler. That's about to get inducted into the hall of fame allen janika who he called quote a living legend and turner hopes his fellow. Lsu tiger will come and see him play he said quote. I have nothing but a ton of respect for mr flannigan admire his game. Been knowing about him. Since i got. Lsu in two thousand eleven. Hopefully i can make him proud and quote so pretty cool to see the lsu tiger connection between new guard trae turner and informer guard allen. Fanta Other news really was that There's been some new wrinkles. Put into the offense of guess. You could say the playbook. They're utilizing so far in camp. Derek watt at full-back a lot more brook prior. Espn was cited. That her favorite player. Today was ben rothlisberger hit. Derrick watt a fullback wheel route. They don't often use the full back in the passing game but nat canada will feature fullbacks more often. That was something that broke. Prior asked mike tomlin. He said to be determined. So like i said that kind of wraps up the first ramp up part of training camp there were no pads no hitting no contact they did team drills but there was nothing that was physical and hitting. That's going to happen in the upcoming week. They have monday off so there will not be any training camp recap on monday. I will be back for this on tuesday. But i have to tell you. Be sure to check out my. Let's ride podcasts. Every monday wednesday. Friday as well as all of our morning. Podcast that includes a live. Mic with michael beck on tuesday the stat geek with dave scofield on thursday all afternoon content. We're talking about the hangover on monday. This cobra show on tuesday. The curtain call on wednesday the preview on thursday. A six pack with tony. On friday the touchdown under saturday two. Am on sunday with brian. e. Anthony davis don't want to miss any of it. We have new shows coming out my goodness wherever you get your podcast search dealers or behind the steel curtain so that you do not miss a thing and there's always behind the curtain dot com should be your one stop shop for all things pittsburgh steelers that's rap on this training camp recap. I'll be back with another one on tuesday. In the meantime be safe. Be kind in. God bless have a great day goes dealers support for this episode. Comes from t. mobile. We're a lot more than just baseball. Fans we're baseball fanatics and thanks to t mobile. We can stay connected to the game. We love with five g. More places t. Mobile is your ticket to the game so whether your home or away. You're never far from your favorite team with america's largest and fastest five gene network. Don't get caught looking switch to t mobile. The leader and five g. fastest according to open single awards based on average speeds and usa five g. experience report able two thousand twenty one five device coverage and access details at t. Mobile dot com support for this episode comes from forward. Most people go to the doctor for the one offs like rashes and colds. And your annual flu shot but doctors can do more. That's why you need forward. Their doctors go beyond everyday care in an effort to catch top killers like cancer and heart disease early. They use advanced technology to help you reduce risks and achieve long-term results so invest in a doctor. That's invested in you and your long term health at go forward dot com. That's go forward dot com.

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Let's Ride: Credit given shouldn't matter when it comes to the Steelers' defense

Behind the Steel Curtain

36:15 min | 2 months ago

Let's Ride: Credit given shouldn't matter when it comes to the Steelers' defense

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Let's ride podcast every monday wednesday friday but you also get all the other morning content or afternoon content we are expanding our platform gonna big announcement on thursday during the steelers preview. Or we're going to debut our first show we're going to bring on the host talk to him about the show. It's gonna be exciting. I'm excited for it. I hope you are too. There's a lot to talk about. There is a lot to talk about here today. And i want to get a couple of things kind of out of the way right off the bat before we take some calls is people chiming in already on the spotify. Green room app First and foremost. I wanna bring up a comments that i made at the very end of monday. Show that devon bush devin bush. I talked about how you know. It was devon bush being a little bit crazy as that negative good thing. Maybe this is the new devon bush and to be completely honest with you. It was a little bit later. That day. And i recorded that on sunday for monday monday. I don't know what's going on with. This guy's twitter feed but it is. It's a little off the deep end. It's a little off the deep. In and i'm not here to suggest that someone's twitter or social media activity should somehow demean or lesson in impact. They could have an nfl franchise. I'm not here to do that at all. However i do think that some things are just better left unsaid or just let go and i don't know what's going on i was like i said this guy is just really really it's changed. We'll put it that way. Really is for shore in the way that he handles himself on the field. There's a lot of people. I wouldn't be shocked. That say you know it seems like it. Someone else iron. Maybe as a close friend that's just messing around with people and he knows about his laughing. I don't know. But i'd love to see devon bush. Keep the edge without being a a little bit off base in terms of what he says on social media the videos that he shares and things like that There's been a lot of talk about devin bush on twitter. There's been a lot of other talk about the pittsburgh steelers the media things like that. I don't wanna get into that too much. What i wanted to talk about. And the the main crux of this podcast. The title of this podcast for sure was about the pittsburgh steelers defense but in particular in particular when i'm thinking about the steelers defense on talking about credit credit being given. So here's what's weird for me. This is what's really weird for me. I don't feel like the steelers defense needs credit at all. I don't feel like it is. We're talking about the coaching staff. You're not the players so the steelers defense is great. They're legitimate out on the anyone out. There with a brain between their ears is going to suggest that the steelers are not a really good defensive towns to players even after losing nelson debris hilton. They're still going to be a good defense. It would take a massive amount of injuries changed at however everyone always wants to talk about. Well you know. Butler is not really calling the shots. It's it's tomlin or not tomlin. It's terrible austin and it drives me nuts and i'll tell you why drives me nuts based on the fact that why does it matter. I mean seriously. Why in the world does this matter to anyone. I can't figure it out. I've talked to people about it. And they all say the same thing. They're not sure either. Why does it matter if terra lawson is coaching the secondary and yet keith butler is dealing with the front seven. Why is that a bad thing. Why is that something. That is somehow a talking point. What is mike. Tomlin has his fingerprints. All over. this defense in just never takes credit for it. Why is that a problem in if there's issues what if it's all of their problems it. This is what i don't understand. And i'm going to compare this to the other side of the football. I'm going to compare it to offense. There's only been one coach that i can remember that is not been a coordinator that has been giving a a heaps of credit in that. Was mike check. When mike munch was the offensive line coach. We found out now after he left us the run game coordinator and the steelers offense thrived in the offensive line change. They were very dynamic in the guy's a hall of famer for a reason. He's a really good coach but offensively you know what we're people saying. Oh well you know tot alienated aramis averaging thirty points per game but you know while munch axa one. That's calling the running plays. That's probably why i don't understand. Why the pittsburgh steelers fan base feels the need to discredit in. Give credit to specific people based on results on the field. Let's go back to the defense. If the defense plays well especially the secondary no one wants to give credit to butler. No one ever wants to give credit to mike tomlin. they'll say tara lawson's done a great job. Not saying he hasn't here folks. I'm not saying that he has done a great job. What i'm saying is that why does it matter. Why does it matter. That's the question that i have for people that are listening to the show. Whether you're live with me right now on the spotify grain of or if you're listening in your car on wednesday why in the world does this all of a sudden matter to people in. It's across the board when when the steelers. Nfl team any professional team. Even any high school team wins. The players are going to get all the credit coaches get none but when they lose it's almost completely opposite not always but almost completely opposite. They wanna blame the coach. Tomlin sox fired tomlin fire. Butler fire this year of the fire canada because feeders gone. I don't understand why. There's a constant need in. I say need intentionally why. There's a constant need for the fan base to want to say that's the reason why he is the reason why the reason why it could be positive or negative. Depends on what you're talking about. It could be positive in the fact that yet. Terrel austin is the reason why the secondary doesn't stink anymore. Tarot austin's the reason why they're drafting better in the secondary or could be no keith. Butler's the reason why the outside linebackers are playing better. Ever since joey porter was not raped his contract was not renewed aka. He was fired in you. That's what i don't understand. I just don't understand that. It's always been the case since mike tomlin has been the head coach and yet it's something that is always been circulating but it's not always that way on the offensive side like i said other than mine check. Did anyone say well you know. I mean the reason why the steelers are doing better as a receiving core is because if i kill you no one says that no one says that i don't get it. I don't understand that the constant need for some of this stuff. But i digress. You know it's been about ten minutes years since we started the shelf. We have some people that wanna talk on spotify agreement. I want to give them an opportunity to hopefully want to chime in on this in anything else they wanna talk about. Let's get nick on the line. I let's see here. Go ahead nick. What's up jeff. I'm do. It's funny. Because i actually what i wanted to talk to kinda ties into this. So we're out but to answer your question. I think part of the reason that You know butler gets get some heat is just because i think it has to do with the fact the fact that we are steelers fans you know and we just like we love our players and we're like we have. Tj watt a defensive player of the year. We have cameron heyward. He's a monster. Joe haden. He's amazing mink fitzpatrick. He's amazing so when they lose a playoff game by like forty seven points or whatever it was. It's like man. How can you put that on the players. it's just easier to pass it off onto the coaches. You know well must have had bad teams or whatnot. But i think this is. This is the one thing that understand. This always comes back to a debate and we can talk about this free getting your other topics. I'm fine with it It it comes back to. It's kind of like a what's chicken or egg. What comes first in it is. Would you give the players all the credit when things go right and when things go wrong. Do you not give credit to the players for not doing their job. And i've always said is a coach. Because i did coach. I spent a lot of time. It wasn't collegiate. It was high school but a varsity sport. Ea coaching very helpless feeling. You could have the best laid game plan ever. If the players don't doubt an execute what are you going to do as a coach. What are you supposed to do. And so like i understand his fans. We wanted to always stick up for the players. We love the players. Perform but nick in your opinion whereas that delineation. Where is it where okay. Let's give the coaches credit but then let's also say to the players. You didn't do your job. What do you think. I definitely think it's a it's a hard. It's a hard line to walk. And i think part of it comes from when you have some defensive coordinators from around the league who seem to take you know average players or even below average players and bring them up and make them better in their defense and then when you see them leave They don't shine quite as bright. And that's i think that's because of the coaching. And i just feel like the steelers generally have like these great stars but you know i mean now i mean even now that i'm thinking about it i i mean i also just because i'm a homer and i like love every single person on this issue so i think they're all great but i think that's what it is. You'd rather just believe in the players because the coaching you don't you don't you. Don't root for the defensive coordinator. Every week you know by now i get paid. There's nothing wrong. Maybe this is the point. I'm trying to make there's nothing wrong with saying wow like an offense coordinator. What a call. What a call on a certain third three or third and one fourth in one. Whatever and there's nothing wrong with they're saying what a blitz call by keith butler to send the cornerback there they sent joe haden the outside corner blitz and he got home and what a play. I don't tell you there's anything wrong with that. But you're right let's move on. You wanna talk about something else. What else is on your mind. So the thing. I was actually going to talk about. Was the defense kind of changing things out and part of part of what i was thinking about. Was you know everyone can talk. About how the offense got so repetitive. That people knew it was coming. And i almost wonder if part of that browns game i mean obviously it was a whole debacle but part of it was there have been so much film you know and they had a lot more to study from. So maybe they kind of knew what our defense is going to be looking at and that kind of made me think of this one. I heard last year. Which i feel like never fully came to fruition. Which was they kept talking about how they wanted to use minkah fitzpatrick in different ways. So that he can make those big implant impact plays. He made his first year in pittsburgh. And i was kinda thinking you know. I mean it sucks. He doesn't get targeted. Because he's so good but i wonder if there's ways that they could use him to fake out an offense or you know. Do something like you know some trickery or disguise something to kind of get him back into that huge playmaking role. He was in not that he wasn't last year but definitely twenty nine thousand nine. He was crazy you know. What twenty nine thousand. Everything was fresh like you said. No one knew what to expect with make fitzpatrick coming from miami to pittsburgh and he was dominant and he was dynamic and he was disruptive and those are really good characteristic traits in a safety. I think what people need to remember and it. Yes you're right. They did say that last season they wanna put him in. That joker roles. You wanna call it. That of people use other terms for that player. That's gonna move around the defense. That's really not his position. He does not play the safety spot. Detroit paula malu played. And that's everyone's to compare to invest fifty cents troy now. Actually he's in line clark spot and it's a situation where you're going to get him involved move him around. I'm not sure how that would work. Based on the fact that they would have to have someone else covering centerfield for them to do that. Last season believe it or not in my opinion was the season to do it. Why cam sutton could do that. Cam sutton could play safety. He knows the position. he knew. Every position the secondary and he could also play really good centerfield and they just never did it and so his patrick now and you saw this towards the tail end of the season. He's getting frustrated. The offense is literally pointing him out saying we are not going to throw it to that side of the field. Why we're not going to risk it. So he took some gambles. You could see it on film if you watch the film. It wasn't unit. You don't have to be a coach coach for decades to see that he was taking some risks in. It's a risk reward a lot of times it safety if megabits patrick is smart he watches film of ed reed in. I hate to say that. Because i hate the ravens and everything about him but ed was that type of safety. He was the center. Fielder that would trick quarterbacks into making throws and that's in my opinion what they should do and make. If it's patrick has been the one who has been saying this all off season if it isn't broken don't fix it. I'm just warning now neck. He might not want to expect much different this year from the waiter using their safety. You agree with that. Ed reed stuff i do. Yes i i agree that he's a very different player. Don't he's not really a hitter. Like troy was. He seems a little more. Just kind of a finesse player. But he's a hell of a finesse player. Absolutely all right. Nick thank you for chiming in. I appreciate it as always if anyone else wants to chime in on the spotify green room app. Just put it on speaker request. 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So make sure you check it out if you haven't yet it's been a great opportunity to talk with some of my followers. Some light rider die crews. I like to call on this very very loyal fans. If you wanna speak to me on the spot. If i room map please put a speaker request in otherwise we are going to dive into the twitter mail bag again. You can follow me on twitter at j hartman h. e. r. t. m. n. underscore p. I t. every tuesday. I put out a tweet saying hey for my writer die crew. Who's got questions for me. Fire away as always. They never disappoint jeremy. Bets says who are the jenga. He's talking about the old school wooden board game. Where you have to pull the jenga pieces out who are the django pieces. Meaning the players. The team can't succeed without a twenty twenty. One one on offense in one on defense. Good question jeremy. I guess another way of saying this is whoever linchpins who are the the key cobs of the offense and defense. So i think on offense in it used to always be the same answer. It would always just be ben rothlisberger in. I would probably say that it still would be that. But i'm gonna. I'm not gonna give you the ben benjamin todd rothlisberger answer. I think that's kind kinda copping out for me. When i think about if i'm not going to use number seven as the answer from offense. Here's one that's going to be a little bit out there. But i'm still going to be. I think it's nause errors. I think it's nausea harris. I think the steelers are putting all of their eggs in his basket. When you look at if he's not available who in the heck today have i mean then he snell. Anthony mcfarland kit. Kaelin callum ballots. Have you say his name. Do you have I- jalen samuels yet. Not good in for a team. That can't run the ball. You lose your premier back. And that's an issue. So that's going to go on offense defense holy cow. There is a lot. There's a lot of players that could be that jiang not says you put it For me i'm gonna go with the player we just talked about before the break. And that would be make if it's patrick. Tj watts great in the death behind him as a big time issue. But i do believe that if tj while we're to go down the steelers would somehow make a trade or something like that to get a player. They could come in rush the passer But i just think it's patrick. You wanna talk about outside linebacker. Being an issue safety is just as bad miles killebrew. Everyone was saved. He's listed as a linebacker folks So i'm not sure what they would do if that were to happen. But those are the two that. I have make fitzpatrick on defense. Najji harrison offense. It might not be most people think of. But that's who i'm going with all right. Let's get another speaker here on our spotify agreement of app. Let's go with logan. what's up logan. How are you go I wanted to talk about the run game not Particularly do you think at the end of the season nausea harris will be the star of the offense instead of ben burg as h. He keeps going up. Well let me ask you this question. When you say star you just need focal point. A he is the straw stirs the drink so to speak house corners with the giants. Okay jones star offense. I will say this. I hope that nausea harris is that guy. I hope that he is Based on the fact that he is that guy. Then that takes a massive amount of pressure off of ben rothlisberger. And i wrote an article. I don't know if you read the site. logan refuses. Listen to our podcast. But we've been doing this thirty scenarios in thirty days and days scofield the editor for the site. He and i had been going back and forth. He does one day. I do the other day. And i did an article about how will ben rothlisberger via to keep his attempts under six hundred and i looked up. Many years in his eight is going into your eighteen. Seventeen prior years when he played in fifteen games or more did he have less than six hundred attempts now early in his career was often because he did throw the ball that much but towards the late the latter out in a decade of his career waves from the ball ton if they could get back if they could get back to running the ball being a running team and i think the offense ivine sets up perfectly for this. I think they're going to be tough. To beat logan. To be completely honest they can run the ball. Control the clock. The dad defense being arrested. I hope and i don't think that to me. I'll ask you this question. A second though to me if not. She hears his the focal point. That doesn't mean at bunn office asperger's playing badly. It just means that the steelers identity is changing. You agree with that. I just did that average. That's thirty five past Is that pass completions. Adjuster temps just attempts and thirty. Five is about what he had every game when they're on that massive one streak and it got even higher when they started losing especially in the playoffs i think nausea should be the focal point of the offense. And i'll make a better especially when i call dallas right. Now they got. It was second in one. They ran three times net. Get the first down stock on fourth and one like that just cannot happen in the nfl. Now and i think that this offense of line like i said everyone's forgetting this they wanna bash the offensive line. They wanna bash the offense yet. We have not seen as auctions of line together. We have not seen what matt canada's audiences look like in the national football league. There's a lot of question marks Technology harasses the focal point. I think they're on pace in statistics. Show when ben rothlisberger. I've i wanna say he throws the ball less than thirty times. The steelers win percentage is markedly better than when he throws it over thirty times. So think about that. I hope that i made sense there. Logan thank you for chiming in. I appreciate it as always All the people that are listening to you. Wanna listen or do you want to talk put in a speaker request on-the-spot of agreement map. I'd love to talk to you and he wrote. Let's get another line here will get will on here. Well what's up. I was thinking about najji hair. Says well always super excited when we drafted him. Because my favorite pittsburgh steeler ball time is the bus as far as you think been. We'll take a page out of john. Elway his career. 'cause if najah harris becomes the focal point that we want to john elway. I know relied on terrell davis. You think ben will be able to humble himself a little bit and be able to do that. Well gosh i hope so. And that's been the. I mean it. Lets you can look at john. Elway you peyton manning at the end of his career. They all did it. They all said i'm willing to take a quote unquote back seat in the offense for us to succeed. It's not about me. It's about winning. And they understood. I think banning after his neck surgery elway just after a long career in his arms. Not the same. They realized that their best way to win is for them to run the football into control the clock if ben rothlisberger smart honestly will like. I don't understand how ben could not be on board with anything that's about to happen. Based on the fact that robs burger new canada prior to because obviously is the quarterbacks coach twenty twenty he had to be questioned about it before they brought. Canada on in canada also had to know that dan was going to be potentially returning. I don't if someone was in the dark with this decision. Then shame on the organization because they're setting them up for failure. I don't feel like that happened. I've guaranteed over conversations on both ends about. Hey this is how we're going to run this thing you on board with this. I hope i hope. I hope that rothlisberger is on board because if he is in nausea harris and again it comes down to the offensive line will can they block. Can they run block in the opening up holes. Do you think. Let me ask you this. Well violence yep do you think nausea hairs type of back. They can create without needing massive holes. Everyone always wants to talk about nausea as well. He basically played it behind an nfl. Line in alabama against subpar. Competition evening dodgy. Here's a transcendent back. It doesn't matter he's gonna make plays no matter what i do think he is. I'm i'm in tennessee. And i'm an sec country and georgia bulldogs fan. And we saw plenty of him. Tearing us up. I agree with that all right another strong. If you don't mind i was listening to your your rant on monday. Talking about defense and someone stepping up as far as with Devin bush doing a lot of smack talk and if we look at our previous i guess super bowl type teams. There's always at least in my lifetime. Always been kind of a nasty type player. Whether it's james harrison whether it's showy porter or if we look in the nineties with greg lloyd which of those three think was the most fiercer nastiest to deal with. And who do you think on the steelers. This year can be that player. Out of those threes. You said loyd harrison reporter which is the which was the nastiest. I think it was deebo. By far james harrison was feared not. He's also defensive player the which is where he holds. Team records acts. even though. I think what's going to break that. If he stays healthy he was a player that you could see and he caused a people. Don't think about. How many false starts he caused. Because he was just so dominant in his prime back in. Like two thousand eight two thousand seven and early two thousands just tremendous. That's who i would pick. And this year i would love to see a little bit more edge from t. j. watt. But i think it's going to have to be a. I would love to see demolition vince. Williams together be that tandem inside just really wreaking havoc running downhill. Just knocking the snot out of people that would be tremendous The will thanks for the trip down memory lane. There's some great players that you bring up and talking about porter and all those great pass rushers at the steelers have had even if you want to go back to the nastiness that was the seventy steelers with mean joe green and jack lambert chuck me. They had no. They did not lack edge back in the nineteen seventies as for sure if anyone wants to chime in in the spotify green map just put it in a speak request. Glad to talk to you. In the meantime we're gonna head over to the twitter mail bag. Brian haynes says after listening to your show monday. I was curious. What are your realistic expectations from our line. I wanna stop there because in case you're listening and you didn't listen to monday show a lot of you had the day off. I get it. I still did a show on the less. It was all about the offensive line. I compared the current or projected steelers twenty twenty one offensive line to that of past super bowl steelers lines and found out that you know i think there should be some hope amongst dealers faithful for this offense line coming up in twenty twenty one so he continues. What are realistic. expectations from. Our line sacks allowed rushing yards. Do you think they'll be an asset or entrance by the end of the season. And he uses hashtag writer died crew. Thank you. Brian longtime listener very loyal very loyal fan. So i in terms of sacks allowed. I could see that number going up. I don't think this offense. This offensive line in particular is going to be the type of of line that is going to be as good from a pass blocking standpoint but also let's not kid ourselves. I don't think that last season's offensive line was as great. Everyone thought it was when rothlisberger getting rid of the ball in two point whatever seconds no one has a chance to get home and so of course they weren't giving up sacks but were they successful in answer is no. They weren't successful by the end of the season. Everyone was struggling so if the tax go up but yet there are more successful. i'll take that exchange. You just hope that rothlisberger doesn't get hit so hard that he gets injured in terms of rushing yards. I think they'll be close. I projected nause harassed have nine hundred plus yards on the ground. I do not. I did not project him to have one thousand yards. I had him at just under a thousand but with about three hundred yards receiving so he would definitely be over the thousand yard plateau from a total yard standpoint but not from rushing. I don't think this offensive line could be a hindrance. As long as they can run the football if they have to rely on the pass. That could get ugly. But i think that they're going to get better. As the year progresses in any a lot hinges on like the health of trade turner in so we will have to see to see exactly how that goes all right. Let's get a your logan wants to talk again. Let's get logan back on a what's up logan. Just want to talk a little about defense. Already talked about offense jerk. I saw that. Espn released a list of their top edge. Rushers ned myles garrett number one. tj. Walk number two. I wanted to get your feelings on that. yeah. I wrote that article for the site today. everyone seems to be on the browns bandwagon. Right now everyone wants. That's like the sexy pick in. It happens every offseason. There's always a team that i remember as the forty niners a couple years ago. It's brown's this year It's been the ravens a lot in the lamar jackson era. And so i think that right now people just think that the browns are kind of moving the needle from that perspective. But i did think personally that the analysis in the article provided by espn and you can check this out of behind the steel curtain dot. It's right on the web page if you were checking listening to this podcast on wednesday. It's just four down a little bit. you'll find it. The analysis was fought on. Tj wide is not. he's not some crazy gifted athlete. He's average size average build but he just has a motor that doesn't stop he's technician myles garrett looks like he was made in a lab. I think that exactly how they put it and ultimately fans wanna get upset of at these rankings. Who cares you. Know at the end of the day if tj wad sacks baker mayfield four times. In a game in myles garrett never gets ben rothlisberger been myles garrett can have the number one ranking all the time and i'll take t. j. watt but Yeah there's a lot of fans that wanna get kind of upset over that stuff. I don't i don't pay too much textile right it already for the website but i don't pay too much attention. Do you agree or disagree with the article. the disagree because at least the past two years since tj watts been his mvp. Sorry on defense of the year form. He's by far starts the myles garrett in until miles gear can prove them wrong. I see that you can put him ahead of tj launch her. Anybody at that point now is good. Point logan taser chiming in. I appreciate it but yeah it's definitely a situation. I'm sorry i just lost it there okay. We're back outside. I'm trying to do much of one situation where it's going to be difficult for the steelers in the two defensive players pattern them up together you know saying like okay. Who's better it's tough. They not tackle versus a pass rusher but nonetheless. It's good offseason fire. Let's go back through twitter. Mail bag laurie. How would you rank defense in the afc. North in issues is hashtag brighter doctorate while i obviously us put the steelers won because i think the steelers do have the desk defense in the division. I will for the baltimore ravens number two. I will the cleveland browns number three. And i will the cincinnati bengals four. Although i do think the bengals defense is getting better. I still don't think they're anywhere near the three previous defenses. That i mentioned ryan mathews he arrived. Matthew says going into the bye week what record would make you worry to the team. I'd still hold two and four if the steelers to four when you look at their schedule leading up to the by. I think that's where you're kind of worried about pushing the panic. Button a little bit a you would definitely hope they would not have a losing record going into the bye week by week. Paul asked would you go over or under two players signed for the rest of the off-season ease attach typewriter diary. Thank you very much paul. The question i'm going to say to player sign. I will say under. I think they were going to sign one more player. Don't ask me who. I'm not gonna be able to predict that but still i think they'll sign one more player and i think they might pick up a player after training camp. You don't want cut down happened in a lot of players become available. That's what i think. Okay in the last question here from david he says have you had any interactions with mark madden and this was obviously a huge talking point on twitter. If you follow a lot of people as it end why does he act like he is the gold standard of his ver- media like hillgrove Cope or tonj in acts like everyone has beneath them. Honestly i have not had any interaction with mark madden I do know that. He and michael beck had a lot of interactions recently. That's neither here nor there. That's up to them. They are gonna adults. I just do my thing. Thirty eight year old man. I'm a father of five. I worked two jobs. This is my second job not my primary job. I don't have time for twitter bees. And so i have not any interaction with him. I don't know what to say to that. That's all i can say. That's all i can add to that. So okay everyone that. Join me on the spot of agreement app. I thank you very much. I appreciate all the people to take the time to listen to my podcast. Whether it's live on tuesdays or whether it's in the audio form on monday wednesday or friday. I appreciate every single one of you on friday special guests in the second half of the show makes you check that out and as always we always finish our show here makes you check behind the curtain dot com should be a one stop shop for all things pittsburgh steelers be safe e kind. God bless radio friday.

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OBI Listener Questions: Armory stockpiling, Del Rio's D and draft fits

Cincy Jungle

21:55 min | 2 years ago

OBI Listener Questions: Armory stockpiling, Del Rio's D and draft fits

"You can get this show. The orange black insider Bengals podcast you can get on. I tunes on Stitcher on Google play on art nineteen where on YouTube. And you can also get all of our content on cincy, jungled dot com. You can also follow John Sharon for his updates at John underscore shearing on Twitter. If you're on Twitter check that out. He's they didn't have practice on Wednesday. They had practices on Tuesday interviews on Tuesday CNN, they should be open practices Thursday in the game is this weekend. So definitely keep an eye on him. And then I'm sure many of you already follow. Joe good berry is well at good berry. You heard him chiming in on the background that caller. That was cool. So follow him. Those two guys are bringing some clutch info, especially from bangles perspective from the senior bowl. We're gonna get outta here in just a few minutes. But before we do we're going to take some listener questions. We've already got a couple teed up. I believe, but if you want to try and get one in here at the end, you can leave it in the live YouTube. Chat. Maybe give us a call or shoot a text at nine four nine five four to six two four one. We'll try and get to that. We do have a text that came in in is from Franken Virginia. I think the question is asking how confident are we the dole Rio will be coming on board? If he does I seem to remember that he ran a three four defense. So that's that's an interesting situation. Because. The. The Bengals have the personnel. Four a four three tradition. More traditional style, offense and. Sorry about that. That was a call coming in. We'll try and get to you in a sack if you try again in a minute. But anyway, the Bengals have more of a four three type of traditional defense that they run they, you know, they've got the they've got the big defensive ends currently on the roster more of the traditional mold. Sam Hubbard Carlos down lap. Michael Johnson is currently on the roster Gino Atkins is not a nose tackling a three four system. So there's that. But there's there's also the idea that. Cincinnati may be may get divers on that side of the ball. Del Rio did run a three four a lot of times Jacksonville. But it's more about being diverse on that side of the ball. Now. I think and. The the Bengals are trying to do some different things on that side of the ball by overhauling linebacker group. Probably getting some more guys they do have kind of some pieces to do a three four type of style of defense. That would be you know, you've got your car loss in Canada, the edge rusher died that is was initially looked at initially pegged outside linebacker when when he first got to the team. But I mean, he's an edge rusher. You have guys like that. But he also look at the Rams, right? The Rams kinda run a hybrid three four ish, but they have dominant sue have Aaron Donald Aaron Donald definitely in the mold of Gino Atkins. So. Doria? I I'm pretty confident that he could come up with a system that. You know could suit with the Bengals have and allow them to bring in more people. We've got another call on the line here. So we're gonna get to that is the orange black inside who's this? Terrell wouldn't be Wednesday without you, my friend. How are you, sir? Doing all right, man. Trying to trying to play operator host all that kind of stuff. So I apologize. If I missed yours and other calls, but I'm doing all right, man. How you doing? Knows you John. Couple especially guessing you wanna that you great go. So. I I've been on a charm to a couple of scout. Discover my other Shad or whatever. You've got a couple of people that I do too. Man of hybrid as big as live with like van York in here by you're going. Okay, england. In very faint a couple of days ago. Keep banks involved short. He makes John I say. Of. The lie about shoe, bakes wine. Foul down for lunch. My you know, name saw fan like he might be shooting up. And then I think they've probably about the are white tackle from for Florida at his name, John Taylor. I believe is that the tackle from Florida. From solid. I mean, definitely better than we'll get over. There. Could be a Asala, right? Tackle. Will you talk about Daniel the corridor? From Bill lifted pretty yard up there watching on Bali. Other same couple games when the on on the jar. He comes like, that's no won't that. But our news kinda Michael Mitchell Trubisky something like that. Makes sense seem school seem old right? I mean that would make sense here. Run around the hands too. I mean. I hope I mean all the quarterback. Guru dang, no hair buddies quarterback room type thing ring as rookie mad. They wanna area. Make basically Jack. Dollars heroin. I mean draft draft stock. I mean, Baksi or trade stock. I think from what they win much of the raiders even at work through and on the wing to watch a least Bill lasers this. Double injury bully though this lease. Oh the. I'm sorry doing John rouse. Yeah. I mean, that's that's the big. That's the big question. This year. I'm going to take your call off the air here Terrell there's a couple of couple of prospects that you talked about. And then I think we're interesting so thanks for your call. First of all, I misspoke, I meant when I when I said same school. I confused Duke North Carolina. I know Mitch Trubisky went to North Carolina. Dan Jones from Duke same state come on. Gimme break. Sorry. But yeah, I see this is this is the thing with Jones. I like I said when we were talking with John he was a guy that initially. I was starting to kind of warm up to and then I kinda started hearing some reports and all that kind of stuff about him being dry and him not maybe doing so great in. You know, practices and all that kind of stuff. But look, unfortunately, this is this is where we get to be a little too hard on some of these young guys. Okay. First of all when they when they don't play well in these college bowl these these scout bowl games. I mean, they get a couple of practices to play together. And then they get thrown into a game to try, and you know, have a great performance. It's difficult regardless of how good you are. Okay. Number two, this whole process combine senior bowl all that stuff. It is an paralysis by over analysis. I mean, there are things that just, you know, Daniel Jones comes off a little dry. I saw he in kudos to good Barry for asking kind of a different question one that was a little off script. But I saw a good berry. Ask him a question. And he didn't really have a great answer to it. I think it was about batted passes at the line. So you know, there's some red flags there. But I mean. Overall. You know, you gotta look at the tape. You gotta look at how he did against, you know, some good type of competition. You gotta look at some certain stat statistical areas completion percentage turnovers all that kind of stuff in you know, size. You know, that that's something to think about so, you know, in terms of of Jones, he's a guy that you know, he'll be in that first round conversation. He may with combine all that kind of stuff. He may be a guy that shows up in all of a sudden capitals himself into that top fifteen without question. Maybe even top ten especially for teams that might be starved for quarterback the Bengals might be one. We don't know exactly where Zack Taylor's mindset is on that. Do Tobin came to Andy Dalton support this week in mobile. But you know, I who knows there's also John Taylor. That is a guy. That. That is a guy that has been recently marked the Bengals number eleven. I think it's a little bit of a reach. He is a true right tack on the NFL. It is a need for the Bengals the Bengals have, you know, Anita, right? Tackle Bobby Hart is not the answer, obviously. So that is something to think about. I personally have some other people I may have a head of him. But even Joan I believe it's Jona Williams a kid from Alabama you he had a rough game against Clemson. And yeah, it's Clemson with their great defensive line. But. You're gonna face that kind of competition almost every single week almost every single game in the NFL. So, you know, if he's not going that great if he's not doing that well against that kind of competition at the college level that's a little concerning going forward there. There. You know, there are a number of different number of different players that are linked to you know, then there's the LSU kid the linebacker. I understand that linebacker has kind of become a little bit of a. Lower premium type of position today's NFL. You want kind of those hybrid safety linebacker guys, your, you know, your Mark Barron's than the Nike Roby's, all, you know, all those guys, but. You know, there is a need. If for a savvy veteran linebacker to anchor, your defense and roquan Smith is definitely an example and his impact on the bears. This last year is what? Is a prime example of that. We've got another call on the line. We're going to get to that here. And then we're going to get outta here. So let's grab that. Is the bike insider who's this? John other regular, how are you, sir? It is a new dawn Cincinnati as you can see I do think you're going to give beginning a lot of calls to your podcast just gonna take album apology, if I can help you guys anyway, call screener, you name it anything. Maybe. Whatever I I appreciate that. I might need that you know. You know, John, and I try and manage how you know, all the other stuff responsibilities but rounding up guests in answering phones in hosting it. It's lots of juggle. So I may I may get you up for that John appreciate that. But what's on your mind? Well, everybody's talking new quarterback and whatnot. But from what I heard from Duke token this past week age not real big on finding quarterback. Just yet. He seems to want to stay with Dalton done. But he's very interested in increasing the speed of the offense and getting a better players on the line on both sides of the ball. So we'll just see how that plays opera diction. I don't think they moved from don't miss next season the Bank. They're going to let him play his contract and are looking for the quarterback Jupiter but doll with this stance being that he's been injured very little being this division as smash mouth as it is. I don't think they are ready to just boot right out the door and take a risk on a rookie just yet especially for dulled still under God drafts. And also, I mean, you gotta look at the landscape of this. Division. Yes. The Bengals split with the ravens. The ravens kind of had an upward swing when they made a move to their quarterback. Yes. Same thing happened with the Browns. But then you look at the Steelers I never count them out fully, but they are a bit of a mass right now on a number of different fronts and all teams, I if I remember correctly, then it goes nine or ten wins by the ravens that ended up winning the division. And you know, the Browns the Steelers and the ravens were all kind of neck and neck as the as the season got, you know, war on the Bengals they stay healthy. They make some changes, especially amongst the coaching staff and at head coaching. They get a couple of other nice pieces. Help out the offense of wine. I mean, all of a sudden, this becomes a wide open division. Again. I wanna say this too. You mentioned speed on offense. And that's something Duke Tobin is looking at John. You know, you look back to Jared goff's first year rookie year. Granted you only started seven games but five touchdowns seven interceptions. Well, what what have the Rams done the past two off seasons? Brandin cooks, Robert woods. Josh reynolds. They add receivers upon receivers upon receivers guys that can do, you know, higby it end and lo and behold, and also, you know, some stuff on the offense of line into Whitworth being one but lo and behold Jared Goff second year twenty touchdowns seven interceptions third year thirty two touchdowns twelve interceptions. So it's not rocket science ahead. Yes. The arrow is trending upward in terms of superstardom for Jared Goff. I do not put him in the same stratosphere as a Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady or others. What I do put at in as a very good quarterback. That hasn't outstanding supporting cast. He could elevate. Superstardom? But the Rams you gotta give them credit. They brought a lot of help to him. And they Ray that raised his game while he did raise others as well. But. That's something you've got to look at especially in this in this process the scouting process. I think in you use that you mentioned that about Duke Tobin talking about getting faster on offense, potentially adding more pieces. Yes. Exactly. And another thing. Everybody is always saying well don't was only as good as players around him. Or what about the coaches, you know, good? His with different coaches have bad. We have -solutely have gotten to take a look at before you just get rid of as he needs to play under this new coaches and see what he's done what he can do is stand have been too good Cincinnati descent bleeding, like I think of risk, you know, on a rookie of mmediately. Go ahead and cut belt drinker Becker. I would have an anti. Now. I know I know I know. Yeah. No. I gotcha. I just I'm laughing because I know I know your your thoughts on Drake your Patrick. Hey quickly before before I get you out of here. John just just to get you before we get you out on the outta here. I wanna I wanna tell you about Drake. Her Katrin stats in case. You haven't looked them up recently, my friend. This last year twenty twenty eighteen zero interceptions guy. Zero interceptions. Twenty seventeen one interception. So in the past two years. He's played twenty seven total games and has had one interception. So. Valerie, I mean, I I don't have that off hand. But it's it's relatively high. Think it's like fifty million thing pack be wrong. Well, my point is, you know, I talked to you about. You know, we we we joke about. For cadre in your thoughts on him. But really he is not going, wait. I mean, that's just that's especially especially in in. We can we can sit here and bag on Terrel terra Lawson all we want, but his defense was supposedly, you know, made to create turnovers, and he wasn't even doing that than twenty nineteen. His cap hit is almost eleven million dollars net this next year. John ten ten point nine million according to spo- track. So there you go. So that would free up a lot of money just cutting him. But then you also also need to, you know, think about resigning Denard and others to, but John we're gonna get out of here. I appreciate your call. Thanks. We'll hopefully talk next week or in the near future, my friend. Okay. I'll touch. All right. Thank those drawn from Kentucky calling in again. Thanks to or callers. Texters? We've had a lot of questions we're going to get outta here. Again. This is you your black insider Bengals podcast. I'm Anthony Kazan's. You heard earlier for my other co host John cheering. Unfortunately, we didn't hear from Scott Solti. We thought we might. But he is probably going to be joining us at some point here and there, especially as the draft comes in because you know, you want to talk Bengals he's excited about things to he. And I exchanged text there. But our thanks John for calling in while he was at the senior bowl. No rest for the wicked there, you can get this show on itunes, Stitcher. Google play. 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RTFP #936: Week 11 Power Rankings

Ross Tucker Football Podcast

29:03 min | 3 years ago

RTFP #936: Week 11 Power Rankings

"Pro football, focus. It is a difference maker, look, it's the point now where every NFL team subscribes appro football, focus, every single one gets reports from pro football, focus, so don't you think you want the information that the NFL teams are getting whether it's for placing bets or your fantasy team or whatever if your defense dude PF f- elite has ownership rankings red zone reports player value scores point projections. Plus you get twenty five percent on your pro football focus elite subscription with the promo code pod. Twenty-five? Look, they got algorithm projections. The most expansive player performance data base available in the galaxy analyze every matchup. Sign up now at PF f-, elite four PF F, elite at pro football, focus dot com. Using the promo code pod. Twenty-five to save twenty five percent on your order. Visit pro football focus dot com again, code pod. Twenty-five for your twenty five percent discount. Ross tucker. Cast. Is but it's not just any Ross Tucker football podcast. It is a power rankings Tuesday presented by seek. Download the app today in a promo code Tucker. Your dollars off the already lowest ticket prices day. Two of the week. We have already recorded and posted the awesome college draft podcast for those of you who teams are at the bottom of the barrel in the power rankings. If you don't already listen the college draft podcast. You might wanna start spread the word winter sponsor confirmation Email winter insanely easy to win spread the word winters just a retweets of that Ross Tucker NFL or at RTF podcasts when we post the show or on Twitter or a like when I post on Facebook on my Facebook page Facebook dot com slash Ross. Tucker, NFL sponsor confirmation Email winter use. Take advantage of any of our sponsors on the sponsor page over at Ross, Tucker dot com. Four to me when you give you the inevitable. Thank you for signing up or whatever Email Ross at Ross Tucker dot com with whatever question, you could possibly have you guys come up with stuff. That's way, more interesting creative than Brian. I can. And then we got the Madden winner. I have not seen yet. By the way, we've been open for business for a day. I don't believe I've seen one person tweet a picture of them with a Ross Tucker football podcast t shirt or anything that you can buy over at Ross Tucker dot com when you click on the shop tab, so right now, we currently have exactly zero candidates to win the men this week. And by the way, I have a raw soccer football podcast t-shirt. So if it comes to that I will just take a picture of myself on Thursday, and I'll keep the men or I'll give it to somebody. I know frame Lee or friend or whatever for Christmas for the holidays. So. Anyway, by the way Bri this is important. I got word that the guys on the big podcast was shack, including shack himself. We're talking trash on me. And especially that Jon can Kate who by the way, I like, but he called me putty. I take putty as a common is putting a compliment or a negative Bri. I, you know, I don't know if it's a compliment or or negative, but I hadn't thought about it before. But he's pretty spot on with that. Endo that before I've been getting called that since college. How have you thought of that before I get putty all the time? Anyway, look somehow in the podcast one sports net challenge, I'm tied with shack for second place with just means that can Kate is helping shack make depicts it doesn't matter though, because I should be better a lot better than both of them shack. Never played at a high level. The greatest sport in the universe known as football. He played basketball where they have fouls and stuff, and then can cane he doesn't look to me like he ever played anything. All right. So there's no way in hell. I'm losing to those two guys. I'm just telling you that right now, you can check out the standings podcast one sports net dot com. I am going to dunk on shack and can Cade in that. Let's. Get to the big show, Brian. For the old. The worst team in the history of the NFL is number thirty two again, it's the Oakland Raiders. And you are clearly off your game. After fighting traffic. We start with the big show and talk about last night's game. Welcome to the party. You know, you're absolutely right. But you just said it's time for the power rankings. She didn't say it's time for the big show. So I thought you were pulling an audible here. No you wanna replay the tape. It's time for the big show. All right, fine. Whatever Monday night football giants twenty seven the forty Niners twenty three. So this is the most actually part of this game for me is how you feel about this. If you're a giants fan, right? And I don't think that there's a wrong answer. This is like a philosophical discussion. This would be a good one for for the tuck head over tuck hedge dot com, I think you can be a die hard giants fan. And either say, you know, what I like watching my team play football. I want them to win football games. I'm glad they one I cheer for them to win and of story or I think you're equally right? If you say I love the giants I'm diehard, but I don't wanna be in quarterback purgatory. I don't wanna be where we are anymore. It doesn't help us to win that game against the Niners. Now, we have the third pick in the draft instead of the first pick in the draft. And now might be tough for us to get Justin. Herbert from Oregon whoever you can listen on the college draft podcast. And or even if we still want to move up to get them. Now, we have to move up and give up a lot more to even just to move three to one. So I think you can rightfully feel both ways in terms of the game Molins, Nick malls. And a couple of bad picks where he was late with the ball behind his receivers that really hurt him led to the first touchdown for Dell Beckham junior he had to. I'm not sure the giants were the better team. But they certainly won the turnover battle. I really like some of the young skill guys for the Niners like Matthew Brita running back. George kiddle. Those guys are studs. But ultimately, it was the Molins interceptions and Eli manning. Ng getting it done with saquon and company late in the game. They said it was vintage ally. And I will say this. He I don't think he's a top fifteen or even top twenty quarterback in the NFL these days, but he was good back in the day at two minute drill game, winning drives. And he got one last night. And I'm happy for him. But again going back to that debate for giants fans. Now, you just post-poned seeing what Kyle Letta has for a while because they're gonna keep you lie in there. So you get more Eli. I don't know how it helps you long term. But you know, what if you say I love Eli? He got us to Super Bowls and I like watching him play. Well, and when I think that's totally totally fine. It's also fine. If you don't do the next hot move, I'm going to tell you about, but I'm just telling you, you should do it. Here's what I'm into. I've told you guys about this before. Thanksgiving is in nine days. You already know where you're going to be going for thanksgiving. Okay. Whether it's at your house, your grandma's your mom's, your mother-in-law's, you know, where you're going, right. Send flowers to them that will arrive the day before. It's it's the most money gift you can ever give because it's a reminder to everybody there, including the host and hostess how much you care it brightens up the room, they get compliments about today. Those are nice flowers. Mom. Where'd you get those? Oh, Rawson them to me. And my sister gives me a mean, look like you little and then she says did you get them for free? I'm like, no, I did not get them for fleet for free. I have to pay for everybody else. I spend I'm probably top five in the country in spending money on flowers. One eight hundred flowers dot com. It's twenty four multicolored roses for twenty four dollars stunning bouquet, go to one hundred flowers dot com. Click the radio icon, enter code football. That's one eight hundred flowers dot com code football. So you get the special deal be the star of thanksgiving and make your siblings end or brother-in-law over make them feel bad that they are not as good of a child as you are. That's my motto one hundred flowers dot com code football. For the old power. The worst team in the history of the NFL is all right. I think we did this before. But we'll do it again number thirty to the Oakland Raiders not much else to really say about them. They're clearly the worst team. This is clearly the plan at this point. And if they like Derek Carr, then they're going to be able to ransom that number one pick probably to somebody. There'll be a couple of team that will want it, and they'll be able to ransom that for they will really be having a nice infrastructure to build a competitive team in twenty twenty and beyond. That's where the raiders are right now thirty one the New York Jets hard to believe in my mind that Todd Bowles still has his job. I just turned in my story for the athlete for this week. I don't know exactly when they post it of why he absolutely should not have his job anymore. And by the way, I like Todd Bowles personally. But once you know, the guys is good as gone. You gotta get rid of them. And I have some examples from when I played that sort of indicate how can be so so bad if you don't number thirty two New York Giants. They gotta win but color me not impress Bri. I'm sorry. I'm still just not real enamored with the G men to be to be kind amber twenty nine the Arizona Cardinals. It's actually by the way, unbelievable that they aren't better with guys like Barkley Onoda Beckham junior. Whatever I will say this. I felt their offense of line put a little bit better last night. Maybe they'll move up the power rankings, and maybe they'll get twenty five big dreams. So I tell my daughters when they go to bed think good thoughts guys dream big dreams. They thought dream big dreams. Maybe the giants can be twenty-five dream big dreams in the raw soccer football podcast. Bowring's cardinals had probably this isn't really exist in the NFL. But. Probably the best one of the best losses of the season. They got to Mahomes it was one score in the fourth quarter. I mean, it was in Kansas City. Chiefs might be like the best team. And that was actually a really impressive showing by the cardinals. I I didn't move them up, but they're close to being moved up twenty eight the Buffalo Bills. So okay. That was a huge win. I don't know exactly what to expect from the bills moving forward. They're another one where at least they're gonna get Josh Allen back and get him some reps and get him some some playing time, which is nice. But again, they're wins. They're not going anywhere this year. But I do think with like Josh Allen you want him to get some wins. So that they feel good about, you know, establishing a winning culture with a young quarterback like that. So let's hope they have a bye for that. Did they can do some positive things number twenty seven Tampa Bay Buccaneers? So the bucks and Dirk cutter are in the same category. As what I said about Todd Bowles and the jets, you know, he's gone. There is no chance they're bringing cutter back as coach. So it's really really silly that he's still coaching. They do it. Because maybe they don't have an obvious guy that should be the next head guy or. Or maybe they don't want an interim guy to go on a run. And then they feel like they can't hire the guy. They wanna hire. That is that is poor logic. A poor way to go about your business. Twenty six San Francisco forty Niners very very disappointing loss for the Niners last night and Kyle Shanahan said as much that's not a game, they should lose. I mean at home that extra time to prepare after night game. They should not be losing to the giants in home. And I know they don't have Jimmy G and other injuries. But with Brita and killed defense wasn't good enough with all the dudes. They have especially in the front, and they also just weren't good enough. Moans wasn't good enough. Twenty-five Choi lions. So. They're in a weird spot where I thought a couple of weeks ago. I had them, you know, one point. I had them like it twenty. I had them higher. You know, maybe even had I think I had sixteen at one point when they were running the ball with kerryon Johnson. Yikes. Ever since they traded, golden Tate. They have been going the wrong way. Now, we're twenty four Jacksonville Jaguars third straight week. The Jags are twenty fourth and what's crazy about it is they went the AFC championship game. They were clearly the best team in the AFC south last year. They have almost everybody back, and they're clearly the worst team in the AFC south this year that's hard to do. Twenty three. The Denver Broncos had a by how much to say twenty two Cleveland Browns. That was a very impressive win by the Browns. They moved up three spots as a result going to be very curious to see if they can get so momentum down the stretch. They had terrific draft class kidding me with Mayfield ward, Nick Chubb, and all those guys making plays for them that really is. And they still have assets the next couple of years that really is an attractive spot. If you are a head coach because you have a chance to finally be the coach that can turn things around their number twenty one the Miami Dolphins Miami Dolphins Miami Dolphins. They have a bye. And then hopefully, we'll see tannehill again. And then I guess he'll have another six game six weeks to show that he should he should get the job for another year. I mean, that's basically what it'll be at that point twenty. The Baltimore Ravens. Ravens had a bye now much to say other than the flacco injury. I think we talked about this Bri. But I'm just very skeptical so often, especially if it's a long time starter, especially longtime starting quarterback who led you to a Super Bowl so often it's like. They don't wanna bench agai. So these guys have these mysterious injuries. And I don't doubt that flacco has an injury. I'm just saying if they were if their record was better, I don't think we'd even hear about it. And I don't think there'd be any doubt that he was playing. But because of what their record is. You know, this stuff comes out, and maybe they don't play him or whatever. Number nineteen Cincinnati Bengals busy busy day for the Bengals yesterday. They fired effective corner. Terra Lawson Marvin Lewis did that he's taking over the decoy Nater duties and he hired recently fired Browns head coach Hugh Jackson to be a special assistant to the head coach. I'm just surprised that Hugh Jackson wouldn't want to recharge and just take the rest of the season off. I mean, some of these guys I swear they're like addicts. It's. Eighteen Lanta falcons. Speaking of the Browns that was a huge win for them. And major major setback for the falcons. They had so much momentum going I was not expecting them to lay. Like, I wonder if they somehow took the Browns too lightly number seventeen Dallas Cowboys very impressive win for the Cowboys. I thought all things considered their most impressive game of the year the old line played. Well, they moved the ball. Dak did some good things. After missing some throws early. Zeke was a monster. They ran it all over the number one. Rush defense in the NFL that nice job defensively. Vandereycken was all over the place. I think the Cowboys I mean, those still finished like eight, but they're about I guess what? I thought they'd be this year sixteen the Green Bay Packers. Packers really need to win Thursday night. I'm actually hosting Thursday night, some of the guys get together with for Thursday football. So I am looking forward to that one. But that Packers Seahawks game is huge for both those teams. So that feels like like the first playoff game the year number fifteen the Philadelphia Eagles. Well, and frankly, they're lucky to even be here. How do you lose three straight home games? How you lose the Cowboys when you have a buy week and they played on Monday night. Wow. By both teams that played on Monday night, titans and Cowboys came out and just played awesome. So that's probably a little overblown too. Before teen you need apples colts. Unbelievable, right. I mean who would have thought the colts before teen at one point. They started the they were twenty nine twenty nine even if you weeks ago, but they're climbing three straight wins lines playing great Lux playing great. I didn't think that defense played as well as needed to on Sunday. But they won number thirteen. Tennessee titans rolling five point. Oh my flag. Top down to my hair came blow songs from. I knew you were gonna ask me if I knew it that's from. And I'm gonna say no girlies on standby waiting us to say. Hi, did you start? No, just drove by kept going pursuant to the next step. Still don't know. Now. Okay. How about this part? I Spade me. Yes song now. Yes. I do. Okay. It's ice baby by vanilla ice Bri. Thanks, thanks. So at any rate, that's like one of the few songs. I know most of the words to so why are we talking about ice? Uh-huh. Because because the titans are rolling in point note with flagged up down some came girlies to buy did stop. No, just drove pursuant. Okay. So anyway titans. Yes. They are absolutely rolling. I love what I'm seeing from them offense. Mario too. I think that the hand finger things better. He's throwing with confidence the floor knows. We does. Well, they're running. Well, he's running well defensively. They're getting after people look out for the titans. Number twelve the Washington Redskins talked about this a lot yesterday. Just very very impressed with their gut. Check. I mean, that's what makes pro football. Pro football's about you're going to have a lot of guys banged up. You're going to have a lot of guys out of the lineup. You find ways to to to win a darn game. And that's at the Redskins did number eleven the Seattle Seahawks. Only drop them one. Spot with the loss because I thought that was actually a pretty impressive performance. Rashad penny. Ran it. Well, Russell Wilson ran it. Well, they were in LA against the Rams that didn't deter how I feel about the hawks at all. I'm pretend Houston. Texans. Texans. Had a bye so not really much to say. I moved them up one spot number nine the Chicago Bears bears moved up three spots. And I think deserve a lot of credit. Now, they're defense is top five for sure, especially when they have Khalil Mack. They might be number one. And number two when Trubisky plays like that. They can beat anybody. They jimmy. I just don't think Trubisky will play like that that consistently, but they can be anybody. When Trubisky does that number eight the Carolina Panthers. So the Panthers get wrecked. And I moved them down three spots. Because number one, I bet on them on even money podcast. So I'm mad at them and number two their defense. There's just something that right there. I don't care about all the guys star players. We know about something is not right with their defense. Maybe they need to get Steve Wilks back from Arizona. Make trade for the cardinals head coach because their defense was a lot better when they had Wilkes number where we at number seven the Vikings Vikings also had a bye, and they're going to come out of that by steaming med- into a big game against the bears. That's a gigantic game next Sunday night. That's a nice flex their by NBC and the NFL. That's that's the way to use the flex. So we get bears Viking Sunday night. And if she north on the line so talking about talking about number six the New England Patriots. Wow, not often. The patriots are out of the top five. But. What the hell you third loss. And they got smoked by the titans. Number five. The Pittsburgh Steelers was debating putting them at four. I mean the way the Steelers are playing right now their defense keeps getting better, although they did show some holes defensively against the Panthers. And the way they're clicking on all cylinders on offense. We'll find out at four PM eastern time. What lady on bell? Does. I'll be shocked shocked if he shows up it just wouldn't make sense at this point. If you already sat out all this time why you would play the end of the season for six million. When you think you're gonna get forty something in March when you don't have to they thought he had to now, they know he doesn't have to that just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. We will talk about that a lot, of course, tomorrow with the great Andrew Brandt. Speaking of things that we talk about I tell you guys sort of every show about Seekie because it's awesome. Because I love it any tickets any. Time. So anytime I need to get a flight. Right. So I'm looking at flights for like San Antonio. I'm doing the US army bowl again in San Antonio. So I'm looking for flights kayak, I'm all over kayak because it shows all of the different ticket providers. That's what seek does. So whether it's a show a concert. 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Hour 2: Jalen Rose joins

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Hopefully, we'll be able to have weekly guest one of the voices for Monday night football, Boga McFaul and on the line with us right now. He stuck in meetings. If he gets out, of course, he'll be on as always if not we'll talk to him another day. I got a couple of other things I needed to get off my chest. Anyway. Already talked about pretty much all most of the NFL items or whatever. But there's something that's on my way of Darby cornerback for the Philadelphia Eagles out ACL tear. I mean the secondary defense just decimated with injuries right now. No excuses as they say it happens. It happens. It happens. One of the other things we saw yesterday is the new is the New England Patriots. Give beat down by the Tennessee titans. Marcus mariota. And those in the crew to Tennessee titans. They actually play a decent football. Let's put that out there. I number one. They actually play a decent football. If we're being honest with ourselves. Number two to tendency tight is what I like about them is that they're physical. They're not afraid to smack you in your mouth is what they bring to the table, right? The second place five and forty a game behind Houston. Texans at six three. They've won six straight. We've seen the Indianapolis Colts after one and five start. They've won three straight. Now, they're foreign five. Andrew luck is getting rolling and all of that other stuff. But I gotta tell you going to New England. You know what I saw from the New England Patriots yesterday in their loss to the Tennessee titans. I saw a team that ain't going back to Super Bowl this year. That's what I saw. I saw team that has not going back to the Super Bowl. Laser gentlemen, when you pay attention. And you look at the New England Patriots. And what they've had to endure this year. You got to watch what's going on here? Right. Because I got news for you. They haven't been that impressive. Yes. They want six straight. Yes. They got a bye week coming up. And then after that they got the jets which is a double by week. Some would argue because just not going to beat them. At least. That's what we surmise. Here's a reality. The New England Patriots are seven and three half the winning six straight. They lost yesterday to the Senate seat titans. That's what we saw. I'm gonna tell you what I see. I see their three losses. Against a poor Jacksonville Jaguars squad that we now know that's the true against the Detroit Lions squad. Eight much better know, by the way map Patricia is your former defensive coordinator in the wing land. And obviously variable used to play under billet chick in New England coach to him before he gets the Tennessee titans job. And then when you look at their roles victory, they beat Chicago in Chicago by the skin of their teeth special teams scored twice for them. Okay. And we saw how much they struggled and buffalo. So your defense. One those two games for you. And the three road games you lost. I got news for you. I don't like New England on a road. I don't like on a row, and I think it's going to be incredibly problematic for them. To get out of the AFC knowing that Pittsburgh possibly the chargers. Even though to me that's not like a Rogaine because southern California who wouldn't wanna play there. They probably prefer to play there rather than Foxborough. Going up against the kids stadium. See that's the big the big one for me. I'd see the knowing the patriots beating Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh before I see them beating Kansas City at Arrowhead stadium. That's just me. But the New England Patriots getting punched in the mouth and Tennessee's type of team. I wanna point Unum out there it consisted. But we saw what they did against Dallas on Monday night. We've seen what they did here. I think Tennessee's coming. That's a team. You gotta watch out for. I don't think you can ignore. What you're seeing from? Now. I really don't. I like Marcus mariota. I really do. He's not going to blow your socks off. But I like them I like the combination of Derrick Henry Dion Lewis out of the backfield. This kid Corey Davis had one hundred twenty five yards receiving seven receptions yesterday. So I keep my eyes on them. I really really would. That's my position on that. Let me also say this about Dion Lewis and do we have sound of Dion Lewis. Listen to Dion Lewis to form a member of the New England Patriots now playing in Tennessee with the titans along with Malcolm Butler because Malcolm Butler is there from New England as well. But this is Dion Lewis commenting about the New England Patriots. Listen to what he had to say. Here's a verse. We win. Especially when it used to be there. And they wanna bring you back. So definitely real street. I'm having my teammates came out and play and I loved his so there's a little person. That's what happened you go. That's what happens when you go cheap. You get your AK KT. That's what he said. That's what he said. So mustered up there and say, you know, what favor disrespectful towards Bill check into New England Patriots. I got a problem with the emotion. I got no problem with the emotion. Does the National Football League that we're talking about here? This guy's putting their bodies their health and not just the immediate health, but their future health on the line of play this game. And far too often or not. Did devalued devalued is minimized or flat out of radical? But it. And very very few people have done that Moore jointly. More viciously. Than Bill Belichick. Now's the businesses in. So it doesn't make Bill Belichick a criminal anything like that. But the point is in a business requires you to be heartless and your decision making very few have done it better than Bill. Check. For individuals who have actually produced for him. And because of that that's why I don't blame on Lewis for saying what he said it they'd say ESPN, it's edited seven nine three seven seven six go back to the phones. Also, hold on. Let me forget, I almost forgot one thing. Terrel austin? Name. Turlov is the now former defensive coordinator for the Cincinnati Bengals fired this morning by Marvin Lewis and the Bengals why because for the third consecutive gain. Two of them losses. When the Kansas City yesterday to the saints. They beat Tampa Bay last week all three games they've given up over five hundred yards on offense to the opposition. Terra Lawson is taken a hit. Look the Cincinnati Bengals rank last or dead last in four different defensive categories including against run against the pass yards allow points allowed. I get it can't brag about lost today. But you could a year ago two years ago. Where people were looking at him and people were raving about him, and he was supposed to be a head coach in waiting and all of this other stuff. And then what happens he got hired by Marvin Lewis and subtly. Hey stinks, right? When people go to wake up. You really think I get joy out of saying this? Really do. I got to produce a here, by the way, a white guy. Love Marvin Lewis. Loves them. Marvin lewis. What were they before he got there and look at them? Now, here's the problem. He's been saying that for the last decade. A decade in which more of a Lewis has not wanna playoff game. This been fifteen years and more Lewis has a one one single playoff game. What are you saying to your citizens in Cincinnati? What are you saying? I don't notice man I have nothing personal against him. I did not say to man does not know football. I did not say the man doesn't deserve to be coaching. I did not say those things I'm talking about strictly as it pertains to the franchise that is the Cincinnati Bengals. How do you live with your self? How could you have to say man on a job that is a headman as the head coach who has now won you won single playoff game and fifteen years. If I said that Moore Lewis doesn't deserve to be a head coach I could understand people coming at me. I really could because I'm not questioning the man's football acumen. I am saying to you that when it comes to being the head coach, he's not a winner. And you know, good Adair. Well, he's not a winter. And if you know, Dan, well, he's not a winner. But you claim the care about winning. What does he still have damn job? This is disgraceful. What a voluntary or involuntarily? You have had one coordinated have another one coach after another coming out of the street to Cincinnati. But this man stays on a job. Why? Does he have or you might Brown? Have you not been doing the right thing? And he's got evidence. Oh, you're stead. You gotta be kidding me. Supposed to believe that this guy. Tear lost it. That was respected and considered a head coach Kenny settling forgot out a coat. Opposable leave them over Lewis had nothing to do what happened on the defensive side of the ball in Cincinnati because out the season. How many passes does this man? Ah? Last Friday this past Friday. We're Luke's airforce base Glenn in Arizona. The. And I told America on national television for I tape television show from ten AM to noon eastern standard time every weekday on ESPN. I said quote my condolences to the Cincinnati Bengals your team is about to get robbed and stomped New Orleans is coming to town. You don't have a J green. So therefore, you have this. You have the perfect excuse to lie down like a bunch of dogs. And take Joe but within. Set it on national television, and my lion. And what happened it was thirty five or seven at the half. And every single time. Jonathan look at me when I'm talking to you Winthrop his name is Jonathan with them. Good guy, white guy that loves marbles. Go figure. I'm a black man that doesn't. Let me tell you something. This situation is black and white. But it ain't because people. It's black your white in terms of what the hell is obvious that should happen. And this man more Lewis, you're so we're listening. You gotta produce the New Yorkers name is Jonathan with throw loves the ground you walk on if you're pass gas. He's called a perfume. You can do no wrong. And I'll tell you his name, and I'll tell you what a find him because he's about the olien Yata human being known as a football fan United States of America. That would think that way about. Yeah. I don't mean any outcome. Just play with my man Jonathan with them. He knows I love him. Marvin Lewis not so much. In all seriousness. I wanna stay for the record. I have nothing against Marvin Lewis. I know that's hard to believe. Because what I'm saying? I he's never done. Anything to me have nothing against him. I have nothing against them. But his record. Do y'all not understand that if you allow this man to continue to keep his job? You can't call anybody. You know, Jason Gary go ahead and keep your job you what I mean, you got to the players before. Why are we talking about tall both? He's only been there for four years. Marvin Lewis got fifteen what the hell is Hugh Jackson gone. I mean after all he did a hell of a job is the physical data in Cincinnati. What could easily argue he could have been a successor to Marvin Lewis had he stayed longer. There's a whole two guys. That's still have jobs if we're not gonna hold more than Louis accountable. It's a damn shame. We live in the United States of America degrades country in the world. We live in a society. Rife with capitalism and capitalism capitalism's mentality. So the victors go the spoils. You get spoiled when you produce in ways that others have not. And when you don't you get cast aside, that's the society that we're supposed to be living in. But evidently, it doesn't apply to the streets of Cincinnati. You don't have an NBA team. You ain't got a baseball team. We're talking about. I know Kentucky and Louisville or right on the road your football program just five that's coach after two and eight season. And by the way, he had them respectable a couple of years ago, but more Lewis could keep his job for the last fifteen years without one playoff victory. What a disgrace. Michael you evening. Hey, how you doing? Even a I'm all right? Go ahead. Man, man. The great thing is p and could have deal with gay your your show, man. Well, man, you kill the truth where the truth need to be told. Thank you. Boy, my com my comment. My problem is I'm with your hundred percent. I hate the cowboy and I'm starting to hate the Bengals. And it seemed like like everyone keep getting fired and kicked out the sandbox except the right people. We'd better I'm getting ready to bagels. And like you just said he elect topic. Give us an NBA team. I'm not I'm not going say get rid of the team. But you could definitely do a better job with another coach. You definitely could enough's enough enough. I don't want to hear about another coordinator or coach being gone for the facility bingos while Marv Lewis's to there and not only did they have the temerity, the unmitigated gall to let go under the physical auditable. Keep more of Louis. They actually gave them over Lewis his responsibilities. So now evolve Lewis is going to be in charge of the defense. Handed responsibilities yet on the show to the reading. Yeah. I'm gonna tell you get a Rite Aid gay green might be gone. If I were him. I'd wanna leave with Cincinnati with this this other than cold weather. You tell me we're and always killed every player that they trae and whatever teammate Goto they ended up to the Super Bowl. This act can ball Dunlap Kim ball. Dalton is no scrub AJ. Green is an absolute stud Giovanni Bernard can ball. Okay. I like the Ted mixing on the field off the field. But on the field. I like mix it. The fact of the matter is they got plenty of talent. They don't have the proper level of leadership that mandates. They produced what it really really counts, and that's their problem. Appreciate the call, man. Thank you so much. Let's go to Gerard you lava Stephen they talk to me. They are you doing good? Exactly, you think that Carmelo ethnic can bring the any router. I know you're talking a lot of things people are saying you're going to seventy or it could be going to seventy Sixers. They could be interested in. But they're what he'd given to the rockets as far as off the bench starting, you know, if they gave him every situation to kind of prosper. What do you think he can bring? I just don't see what he could. Well, let me let me ask you this. Let me ask you this question. Did you know that in the ten games Carmelo Anthony pay played he scored over twenty and four of them? Did you know that? I did. Okay. Let me ask you a question. You think anybody can just go over twenty. No, I was already. So what I'm saying? You is this. He's not an all star. He's clearly lost a couple of steps at the very least. There is no doubt about it. My point. However is that I see a lot of scrubs in the NBA. I see a lot of guys that come that. You could play better than I think Carmelo Anthony didn't take better care of his body as much as he should have. And I think he's got a bloated view of himself. Because there's a product is equal won't let them humble himself to the point where he realizes and recognizes he is simply not what he used to be. But that doesn't mean that you're scrub do I think they're Carmelo Anthony can average fifteen eighteen and night. Yes. I do. I really do is he a number one option. No. But could he give you fifteen to eighteen the night? I believe he can I really I really believe he can he can't give you much else. He damps rank will give you a so much defense. But do are there teams that could use fifteen eighteen the night. Yes. I think they are. And that's why I mentioned Philly. I just I just don't know. I don't know if if fairly that don't work. I mean, there's a well, what do they have? Let me ask you a question. What do they have? All right. You got your start? Let's say, for example, there started five is Simmons. Embiid Butler, Rettig and Wilson Chandler, right? And we'll scholar and TJ McConnell coming off the bench. What else do the Sixers half? Well, I mean, I would think that really wouldn't take all wouldn't have all five starters out at the same time. I would I think they would I think they would. Because if you don't start if you don't stop them what you're gonna do. No, no, no. I mean. Start them. But I'm saying as far as as far as distributing there. I'm in it. I wouldn't say of being a whole five I told you I got let's talk about with. Let's talk about this at a later day. 'cause I gotta run. I appreciate the call for Sean. You live Stephen over, Sean. We'll quit. Go ahead. Hey, Steven how you doing right away. You bet with of ago saying I was gonna actually name three teams. Carmelo Anthony could benefit from that. You think I think Philadelphia is one of them? I'm just talking about idea 'cause I don't want him in a no win situation. Meaning like, no playoffs. He's done enough of that in his career. I would say definitely Philadelphia. Playoffs playoffs. Plus, I think Milwaukee could use somebody like in the shoot from the outside as well. That would be to. That's about it for me. That's about it for me. Sean. Thanks for Sean, Sean was going. It'd be only those two teams. I'm sure I could come up with another one. If I thought hard enough about it. But it's not necessary. I guess you could put them in New Orleans with Anthony Davis and draw a day. I don't think that'll be enough coming off the bench. You know? I don't think they need it. You know? But who who knows who knows what we're talking about here. It is eight say ESPN, it's today seventy nine three seven seven six. When was the last time? You checked your credit scores know what they are now now from a year ago with credit karma. Learn what affects your scores, and what you can do to improve their maybe you need to dispute an error on your credit report. Or maybe you're paying too much interest. Credit karma could help with that. Is there unclaimed money? Your name use credit karma check, once you know, where you stand credit karma helps you figure out your next move. They even offer free credit monitoring. So visit credit karma dot com or download the app now that's credit karma dot com. Mortar, Stephen a Smith show on ESPN rated with my man, Jalen rose in a minute. 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I'm interviewing so I'm asking questions, and I actually have to listen to his answer without giving any pushbacks. I'm talking about my brother Jalen, rose, one of the stars on get up. You can catch that show every week. They wanted from eight to ten AM eastern standard time over the national television Airways ESPN news. Jalen rose. What's going on, man? How are you? Oh, it is a pleasure. Thanks for having me on. Let's get right to it. Man. I went off the air. And then over the weekend we learned that Jimmy Butler is leaving the Minnesota Timberwolves. He is now going to be a member of the Philadelphia. Seventy Sixers your reaction when you heard the trade. What do you think it does for the Sixers and Jimmy? My initial reaction was this great for the game. And now the power has officially shifted from the Western Conference other than the Golden State Warriors to the east because I believe four or five of the top overall squats besides Golden State now reside in the east when you talk about the author Celtics Toronto Raptors, Milwaukee Bucks are now in that conversation, and obviously Philadelphia seventy Sixers and the other thing that came to mind if I could make an argument that the Sixers now have three of the top six overall players in the Eastern Conference, the other three to come to mind or coli Greek freak and Kyrie Irving. And so for you to have that much star power is going to be great to see how they continue to add to the roster, which aren't they they're going to need to do they go to win the Eastern Conference championship. But it was a great move out of six. Years. But it also having scratching my head to what Minnesota was trying to get accomplished. Why does he why do you scratch your head as it pertains to what Minnesota's trying to get accomplished? I only ask that question. Jalen because this Robert Covington kin defend not to mention the fact he led the NBA last season and catch and shoot three pointers with one hundred and eighty nine Dario, Saric is no scrub, and so will you consider that a long will call Anthony towns Wiggins the way Derrick rose has been playing one would surmise that they need to do that dad. What do you say to that? Well, if you're looking at it for Minnesota perspective, look at it like this. When you give up in all star, you probably should get one return. And I agree with what you said about those who players, but either one of them will be that in Minnesota. And also you hope to get a first round pick, which did not happen. They took the route of a team that isn't normally used to getting price reagents. So therefore, you're gonna make sure you trade for guys who are already locked into contract. Like Covington already is for sorry to still dealing with a rookie contract. Minnesota however will be better, and I know you paying attention. But for those who haven't they haven't been really good. Whether Butler was in or out of the lineup consistently this year so basketball while building out their team, they're going to look a lot better. But overall, I would love to see one of those things happen when you move a player like their Jalen rose. How good do you think? Jimmy Butler is. NBA caliber not superstar level player. Not franchise changing player. He's not like what we're seeing with a typical poll with the books that if you have him. Now, you have a chance to be one of the top teams in the however if he's your. Decade maybe serve best player on the dynamic. Then you have a special situation. Ten rows right here with Steven ESPN radio. ESPN news. Let me transition to the biggest news in the last twenty four hours percolating around the NBA. And that is what's happening. We're Carmelo Anthony in Houston. Now people we listen father Thomas undefeated, it is clear that Carmelo Anthony is not what it used to be that he's lost to step etcetera etcetera. But you got guys like d way talking about how come Anthony is being used as a scapegoat with his Jalen rose lie and all of this based on the reports that Carmelo Anthony is on his way out of Houston about to be cut away. The whatever the case may be as you know, there's somebody live where he says game. Anytime you ask to former player or current player is going to be really touchy going to give you a couple that people can follow. He was in the same draft. Parents LeBron James roster the best player on his team. What are the best players in the game? Clearly didn't go to college. Right. The way way if it has little Caesar already knowledge that he will retire. And he play a couple of years in college. So mellow to meet fall right in between. And when you become a veteran, you have to be horrible to reinvent yourself and your role in order to give yourself not only productivity but learn Chevy, and he was in Erie willing to do that. Okay. See he scoffed at the notion that they would consider even bringing him off the pitch and that didn't go. Well, they ended up losing in the first one of the playoffs. So narrow when you come to Houston person, we're all asking if Camarillo be associated who is he going to be a starter? And when he was posed that question just like Mike that Tony basically your answer was I can do whatever the team needs if we're winning. And so with that qualify right there. Chris foggy suspended a couple of games dams hurt and get injured a couple of games. He has a couple of mostly valleys in particular. What happened there? Okay. See where he really struggled from the whole. Mark Levin about a way that wants that one child was goal tended. We don't even know how to go in. Exactly. So he was distraught by that game. And trust me, Steven Singer soul searching, take it for guy. Played for multiple teams. You have to find a way to reinvent yourself and Alan Iverson did exit racially as a future hall of favor. I was hoping that Carmella was find a way to do. So it didn't happen in Houston. They are struggling we knew that their record wasn't going to be as good as it was a shift. We knew that there wasn't gonna be as good as last year. So he kind of set himself up to the scapegoat. If things go well, and I know my dad, Tony hold all of that became a perfect storm back to divert, and he like, wait a minute. They drafted me an all star. I wish I would let us fancy me coming off the bench. What they would be Jimmy struggle trying to go to ever. Now that situation is blown up to where he's going to end up on his fifteen in three years. So you really think this legitimacy too because listen, I've heard the same thing that you heard you know, I have. But I wanted to be careful about just just going about the business saying, Mike dantonio, hold grudges. But people have brought up Stefan, marberry, Phoenix. At once. Once you got to New York, they brought up Carmelo Anthony when he was in New York and now in Houston where my dad Tony biz Dilip is was your defensive coordinator, he abruptly retires. Trevor reason Lucan bomb are gone, and you got to coach Dan Tony that never prioritized defense to begin with. So there's a lot of things you could point to as as it pertains to Houston's trouble instead of it being on mellow, but you really really think that this legitimacy to the notion Mike, Dan dantonio holds grudges, absolutely. Like a coach chip puts you in a position to but maximize what you have. And or exposure. And I think one of the things that happen initially was when he became a substitute. That was the first time in his career that he had done. So when CPI three got suspended that in hill, Danes heart and got injured that didn't help. So now he's putting the position to play like a stretch power forward in the Western Conference, which really ain't is game. Remember in the preseason when he caught it at the three point line did a pump fake and took a shot inside the learn and made it and he looked at the bench and apologize. Then wasn't good because you got one of the altar leading scores in the game apologizing for exactly what made him that. So that dynamic never looks good from that point Jalen rose right here with Steven A, SPN radio ESPN news. I'm gonna put you on the spot. Jalen rose. I'm gonna ask you a question. I don't even know if you've been asked this already. Okay. Chicago mellow Anthony retire right now, he retired. He is not only to retire. He is not only to retire. Too much money in the game too many opportunities when your current athlete they've always to through medicine after resting players in the game. It's not being as physical to allow players to play a lot longer in his head. He's a double figure scores still that could contribute to a winner. If I'm him. And I wouldn't be surprised if this line of thinking, they take your place telling the try to ride away you tried it. Okay. See that they work try to Houston that ain't work. Now don't be surprised if he'd say, hey, Philly. Can I come in to here? You say Philly, you could say Philly, I think that could be an ideal spot for him, Jalen rose. But I'll tell you what instant isn't a good spot. It's Los Angeles. He added listened. I've been told that if he wanted if LeBron wanted him in Cleveland last year Melo would have been Cleveland if LeBron wanted him in LA now he'd have been in LA. So the greatest player in the world and a lot of people's eyes doesn't necessarily want somebody. That's his good friend. What do you say to that? I say that he doesn't fit in Los Angeles. I agree better in he don't fit because you're taking you take minutes away from coups month and LeBron James plays up front as well. Anna tighter Taylor. They have Mckee. They're playing Ingram minutes. It just no minutes for him a fun. Rhonda. They wanna see his girlfriend like Chris Paul right now, basically getting close to the MP's that's over probably happen base with the lake. So basically what you're saying is the melodies to go to Philly and be convinced to be, you know, Vinnie microwave Johnson from back in the day with your Detroit Pistons be happy coming off the bench and just being an offensive force. That's what you should do. I appreciate you being a worse real as say like going to Philly and. Encouraged to come off the bench, right? Like, it's not their point anymore. He needs to be begging for opportunity to put it. Yeah. It's way different. Now. That's what I mean. Yeah. Reinventing yourself you have to look at yourself in the mirror, different coaches. Your teammates everybody can't you is this your hall of Famer the average twenty points player anymore. Would you get out there? Now, if you make your first three or four more minutes, you miss your first three or four you pointed with the plenty of the career. He's at right now, you talked about the money. My last question to you. Jalen rose, you talked about the money and there's so much money in the game. Or what have you mellows made over three hundred million dollars, not say, you can't make more? And obviously, obviously he's doing some great great things off the court is well, I guess what I'm asking is that when does it get to that point Jalen where people are able to walk away from the game before the game is pushing them out the door ninety eight percent of athletes. Don't choose their indie. So like when you see a Kobe or pay manning those? Type of players they can choose their endings because they're all time greats. Then you have a guy like MJ who you would have thought after doing a crossover against by Russell made the game when shot or the walked away from the all he's still had the issue to play. And so for mellow. I think like this Carter he's at a my state where I can't find a landing spot or I can still play in the league or a couple of more Caesar's. So I don't envision Jim not only retire right now. But after this year, gender, rose appreciate you, buddy. Thanks a lot, man. Thanks for making time for me. Appreciate that, bro. Take care. Always appreciate the love. All right. When the only Jalen rose Jalen and Jacoby here their park has their radio show. Plus you see him on get up every morning with my Greenberg on ESPN it at eight say ESPN, it's inundate seven to nine three seven seven six more to Stephen Smith show in a minute by the way, new game tickets, find just vivid seats deficient ticket partner of ESPN, enter promo code ESPN. 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Let's Ride: Have we learned anything about the Steelers so far in camp?

Behind the Steel Curtain

33:04 min | 2 months ago

Let's Ride: Have we learned anything about the Steelers so far in camp?

"Support for this episode comes from t. Mobile we're a lot more than just baseball. Fans were baseball fanatics and thanks to t mobile. We can stay connected to the game. We love with five g. and more places t. Mobile is your ticket to the game so whether your home or away. You're never far from your favorite team with america's largest and fastest five gene network. Don't get caught looking switch to t mobile. The leader and five g. today fastest according to open awards based on average speeds in usa five experience report able two thousand twenty one five device coverage and access details at t. mobile dot com. It's berg fewer fans. Welcome back to another episode. Or let's ride. I'm your host jeff. Harbin senior editor of behind the steel curtain dot com. We are back in. The steelers are back as well. I've talked about this now for the last few shows. But it's worth repeating my goodness. How great is it to finally have football back. I don't care if it's football and shorts. I don't care if they haven't put pads on. I don't care if they haven't been tackling yet. It's actual football to talk about and that's exciting and you should be excited to what else you should be. Doing is making sure the behind the curtain dot com is your one-stop shop for all things pittsburgh steelers in on top of that. Wherever you get your podcast make sure you subscribe and follow. Do whatever you have to do so that you do not miss a thing. 'cause i wanna lay this out for you. Okay i wanna lay this. This came directly from brian. Anthony davis our podcast producer. I said brian. I one dates for when these new shows are going to start. Because it's not just my monday wednesday friday. Let's ride from my writer died crew. Love you all you all never miss a shell. You're loyal as loyal comes as loyal as a cleveland browns fan and i know we hate browns fans but boy are they loyal. I mean they'd been through a lot and they're loyal so my rider docker. You are loyal. It's not just about my show. Monday wednesday friday. It's about the the live mike on us. It's about the the stat geek on thursday day scofield. It's about all of our afternoon. Shows have gone over a million times. It's now these new shows at noon. We're gonna be running shows thirty minutes in length. That's it at noon. Maybe it's your lunch hour. Maybe it's on the ride home. Maybe it's a you know whenever you can fit it into your schedule. These shows are going to be great in the one thing. I've said this before. And i had brian on a few weeks ago. Every single show is going to be unique so on wednesday. July twenty eight. That's this wednesday is when the steelers fantasy. Fix with jeremy beds is going to debut. You'll have to check it out. it'll run. i believe it's going to be at noon on wednesday it. I'm excited for him. I'm excited for the content. Based on the fact that i'm not a traditional fantasy football guy but i'm a daily fantasy football guy so why don't play the traditional whether it's espn yahoo nfl whatever. Nfl dot com. I love faneuil. And i'm going to be listening because i want to. I want to get some information. I suggest you do the same on july. Thirty first is when the steelers power. Half hour with the ohioans comes out. that's exciting. I can't wait for that. And they're going to be bringing a real unique twist to some power rankings and stuff like that then we have on the cutting room floor. That is jeffrey benedict solo. Show i mean we talked about this a lot. I'm excited august. Tenth is when this is going to debut in an august twentieth. What wins talking about is going to debut. And that's going to be after the steelers first game they're going to really tackle what social media is buzzing with as it relates to the pittsburgh steelers and you might be wondering well jeff. It's only four shows. Monday through friday five days four shows. Where is the other one. It's mattie pepperell show the war room. We already run that. But that's worth noting that is part of that lineups makes you check that out. I'm excited you should be excited to. But that's not all. I'm going to talk about today with that news hour. The new stuff out of the way it steelers training camp steelers training camp. My goodness It's only four days old but you know what it is it starting to home a little bit There's really starting to get some news. Go on and it's only going to ramp up. The team does not have practiced today on monday. And then they're back on tuesday. Tuesday they go to heinz field. Wednesday is the first padded practice and that is the first day that fans can watch training camp since two thousand and nineteen. I know it's not at latrobe. I know it's not at saint vincent college but fans will be nc's at heinz field to watch training camp. And i'm excited for that. I've i've had several members of my writer died. Crew that messaged me emailed me and said hey jeff me my family. The kids i'm going by myself doesn't matter we're going to be at this training camp practice or these two training camp practices and i've asked them. Hey send me some video. Get some photos. i'd love to use them in my recap articles and they said they were going to do that. So that's pretty awesome. But i want to talk about today's podcast. Have we learned anything about the steelers. So far in camp think about that was only four days in have we learned anything about the steelers so far now for the realist out there. They shug their shoulders. They roll their eyes and say jeff. No we haven't learned anything about the steelers you serious. What can we learn from only four practices. What can we learn from no tackling. What can we learn from no pads other than helmets. And i get it i really do. But at the same time i who do the recap articles in the recap podcast. I think that there is something that we've learned about the steelers in. Maybe what that is is not about the team but about individuals. Let me say that again. I think that what we've learned about the steelers even so far in this young training camp is not necessarily about the team for instance. I'm not suggesting that what we've learned is that the steelers are their offense. Is going to be lethal. And they're going to be a tear fourteen and three or fifteen to or anything like that. I'm not saying that what i'm saying. Is that what if we are learning about specific individual players. And that's where. I'm going to go with this podcast today before we get to that. I think it's worth noting that so far in camp. Everything has been geared up towards the hall of fame game the hall of fame game. That's gonna happen. Thursday august fifth in kano ohio against the dallas cowboys there. I mean you've heard. Mike tomlin talk about this ad nauseam. He talks about the quarterbacks in who's getting the work and who's getting more reps with the ones and the twos it's based on who is going to be starting in that hall of fame game. It's about the offensive line. Dan moore junior left. Tackle kendrick green at center. They're getting the majority of reps. Why because they want. They're going to be the ones that are gonna be starting in the hall of fame game. That is where everything has been going in terms of teamwork team drills team sessions. They want to get the players that are going to be playing a lot significant reps in the hall of fame game. they wanna get them repetitions. I have to think before. I move onto these individual players. I have to think that some of these players are probably going to be really really nervous going into this. Preseason going into these games even the hall of fame game. Is ben rothlisberger going to be nervous. No he's probably not even an address. But is someone like antoine brooks junior nervous. Maybe is someone like. Bj finney nervous. I would think so think about. Bj finish just general. Here's a guy that was an undrafted rookie at a kansas state. From the pittsburgh steelers his childhood his favorite team. He turns his backup. Time there at center and guard into a lucrative contract with the seattle seahawks. he never even plays a snap. He just doesn't work and he gets cut the cincinnati bengals. Pick him up and he doesn't even play air and he gets released again the steelers bring him in. This is his. Maybe his one and only shot at making another roster. Kenny do it or is he gonna let a rookie kendrick. Green beat him out. These of the things that are going to put pressure on players. Think about a player like justin lane. He's a cornerback. Who steven nelson gone. Just recently signed sunday with the philadelphia eagles for one year. I believe it was about four million dollars. So stephen nelson's gone. There is an opening at that outside linebacker on the outside linebacker. Outside cornerback position. Can he take that job. And say cam sutton you were signed. But they knew they they're going to use you on the inside. Can he do it. I have to think that some of these players were drafted. Last season are just chomping at the bit to get an opportunity to show extended repetitions. Carla's davis anthony mcfarland. These guys didn't have a preseason last year and so that is going to be big. These games are going to be big. And we're gonna talk about the second half of the show this preseason willoughby a good test. We'll talk about that but let's get into these individuals so i said earlier. I don't think we've learned anything really about the team. But i do think we have learned even in this small sample size a lot about certain individuals and i broke this down four on defense. Four on offense. And i'm gonna just go one by one talk about the player why i feel like we've learned something about it and we're going to hash this out together so to start on defense. Wanna start on defense one of the individuals that i feel like we've learned about is antoine brooks junior someone. I brought up six round. Pick out of maryland. Twenty twenty nfl. Draft and. I have to be honest here. I didn't have really high expectations for anton brooks ginger coming in at twenty twenty one. This is a player that did not make the team out of training camp. Last year he was cut didn't get picked up. They sign him to the practice squad. He ends up getting elevated any sticks with fifty three man roster for the rest of the season but now all of a sudden they have him being the heir apparent their words. The media's words not mine the heir-apparent to mike hilton. He had a tremendous interception earlier in camp of ben rothlisberger. Keep that in mind. It wasn't mason. Rudolph or dwayne haskins joshua dobbs. It was ben in now all of a sudden he did get banged up a little bit on sundays workout. They said it's not serious. He's considered day to day. He should be fine but still antoine brooks junior. My goodness we've learned something about this guy but not just what we've learned about him we've learned about how the steelers are planning on utilizing him. Maybe i never thought as a safety when they drafted him. I was told that he was a box safety. Love to play the line of scrimmage. You did well. I didn't think that he was athletic. Enough to play the slide. We'll see we shall see arthur millette going to get a shot especially if brooks is out for a little bit. So we'll see. But anton brooks we have learned a lot about him as an individual cam sudden. Maybe cam sudden but how the steelers are going to utilize. We know cam. Sudden kim son's a veteran at this point to sign a new contract is second contract in the nfl. With the pittsburgh steelers in terra lawson spoke with media on sunday and he said that the plan right now is for the steelers to keep cam sudden on the outside. That's the plan. He's that kind of change. If there's someone like james pierre or just lane step up then they'll move cam back into the inside. He can play the nickel he can play. Time will see but as of right now that the steelers plan and we've all wondered this throughout the offseason. How are they gonna utilize cam sutton right now. He's opposite joe hayden as the as the number two cornerback or the other cornerback. Maybe don't maybe number one to here's another player on the defensive side of the ball. Roberts splaine now if i were to have written an article. When i didn't do this i thought about it. I thought it was in poor taste. And that's why didn't do it. If i would have written an article that said these and then number say four players. That benefited from the retirement of vince. Williams could have written that article. It would have probably done great and we'd probably a a lot of pages. But i said you know what now vince williams has been good with our site. He's communicated with us. He's respected us. I'm going to give him the respect. And so roberts lane would have been one of those players. That benefited from the retirement. Vince williams. he's learned a lot. He's spoken highly events williams but he is now and the first step chart was released. I don't put too much stock into that. But it's it's out there roberts. Pauline is now starting next to devon bush. And i think everyone thinks about roberts lane and the first thing they think of is that hit on derrick henry and how can you not my goodness. You could probably count on one hand. The number of defenders that have met derrick henry in the hole in the national football league and caused him to go backwards. You could probably count it on one. Hand robert spelane is on that hand. He is one of those players. And so that's what i think. When i think of roberts plane i think about that guy. He meet him in the whole that thud. We all heard last season in tennessee and it was a memorable play. What else is there to say. But he's he is turning into someone. Mike tomlin has spoken highly of him his preparation. And when you think about his body of work even last season he is turning into someone that is more than just a run stopper. He is turning into someone. That is more than just a one trick pony so to speak to steal. Mike tomlin's verbiage. When he used to describe mike wallace robert splaine's interception the other day at can't that said oh my gosh. How can anyone forget the fact that robert splaine air septa. Lamar jackson picks exit. Mt bank stadium baltimore. Last season is kind of put. The icing on the cake for the steelers in in terms of the defense and their performance was such a good game for them. Roberts blame we've learned about him the steelers plan on utilizing him a lot and i think he's ready. I think he's ready for that role into that's going to be exciting to watch the last defender. And then we'll take a break. Melvin ingram melvin ingram. In the reason. I put melvin. Ingram on here is not that we need to learn. Much about melvin. Ingram nova ingram has tape out there. Folks you just have to go look at it. You can go to youtube. And search melvin ingram highlights and you'll find plenty. But one thing about melvin. Ingram is people want to know. How are they gonna utilize him. How's he gonna fit. Is he going to stay healthy. Is he healthy. While we found out the from the melvin ingram himself as he spoke to me that he's over the knee injury that he suffered last season. He feels like he's not just one hundred percent but two hundred percents. I'm not sure how that works. But still that's that's his words online and we also know that the steelers are planning on utilizing him in more than just the pass rushing role. He can play the outside. He can play the right the left which is tremendous but they've also had him in. This is something that tj watts done in the past and they also used to ask williams to do this and that's to move to the interior almost look like an inside linebacker. But he's going to be used to free up. Blockers free pass rushers. He is going to be very versatile. Tool kenny. stay healthy well no knows. We can't answer that question right now but as of right. Now melvin ingram. He's turning into a weapon for the pittsburgh steelers twenty twenty one and it's only been four days just two. They put the pads on all right when we come back after this break. We're going to talk about four offense players so we've learned a little bit about and we're going to dive deep into the preseason. I know it's a preseason but trust me it's worth talking support for this episode comes from forward. Most people go to the doctor for the one offs like rashes and colds. And your annual flu shot but doctors can do more. That's why you need forward. Their doctors go beyond everyday care in an effort to catch killers like cancer and heart disease. Early they use advanced technology to help you reduce risks and achieve long-term results so invest in a doctor. That's invested in you and your long term health at go forward dot com. That's go forward dot com all right pittsburgh steelers fans welcome back to the second segment of less ride. I'm your host jeff. Harbin big shout out to the jerry cherry ban for all the music that we have in oliver studio shows can't tell you how awesome it is that he's willing to say. Hey you can use whatever song you want. And i remember last season he debuted asong. And i use it on my. Let's ride for a few weeks. And then now. That's dave scofield's intro music for the staff gig. Maybe we have some new music coming out. I don't know if that's jerry himself to see what he has gone on. But let's get into. Let's get back into what we were talking about. We talked about the defensive players that i feel. We've learned a little bit about in this very small sample size of training camp. I said anton junior camp. Sutton roberts. Blaine and melvin ingram. Those were the four. And then i came up with four offense of players that i felt we as fans have learned a lot about even in this short time at the u. p. m. c. Rooney's sports complex. I dan moore junior big dan and now we're not talking about dan mccullers but he's another big dude. A big human being with the name. Dan several calls and big dan and so dan moore junior. He comes in in javelin talking about him because he is getting time with the first team. It didn't take long for mike tomlin to say. Listen calm yourselves down. This is because of the hall of fame game. Don't read too much into it. Of course people read too much into it. But still dan moore. Junior has been making news outside of the fact that he was running with the ones. How in blocking drills he got into it cam. Scuffles have already broken out with two players is ahah bugs. I wasn't surprised by that. Isaiah bugs in carlos. Davis got into a little fisticuffs on the sideline last season in baltimore. So i'm not surprised that bugs is someone that's a little bit testy. The second player though. Dan moore junior. Might wanna look in the mirror and say did i make a good life decision today. And that's cam hayward why anyone would want to test that ban that man. Because he is a man he is a strong man. I don't get it so dan more my new look himself and say dan. If you want to have a long career you might not want to poke the bear. Ask quinton nelson from two thousand eighteen when you see the bad end of cam. Hayward's encounter so but dan moore junior. The thing about this is when you did like the scouting reports on dan. more coming texas. A lot of people said that he was a finesse player. Didn't have the aggressive streak that he has a size. He has the skill set but he's a developmental prospect. If i'm dan moore and i'm reading these things oh my gosh it's getting a fire under me like you would not believe. And i'm ready to go out in a certain myself in front of the coaches and say i'm not going to be pushed around by anyone not bugs not to it not hayward not lulu not warmly. It doesn't matter who you put in front of me. They're going to get my best. I have no problem with that. If it went too far. Went too far it happens. I mean anyone. That's old enough to remember a young antonio brown who was a budding superstar literally getting into fights with i taylor almost every single training camp practice. It was almost every single practice. They were going toe to toe. The veteran i taylor the becoming star antonio brown and they were butting heads. It happens it happens it might tomonori says it. Iron sharpens iron. Dan more junior. I learned a lot about him in this very short time based on the fact that he showed he's not scared of anyone we'll see if it pans out because he's gonna get a lot of reps during that hall of fame game. The next is kendrick. Green kendrick green as as an interesting camp. He did start with this. Starting starters. he was not listed as a starter on the first depth chart. Don't read too much into add. The steelers rarely ever have a rookie as a starter on the depth chart although najji harris is the starter at running back kendrick. Green is going to get a lot of reps in that hall of fame game. He missed a day for personal reasons. I really want to see what the steelers think of him by how they utilize him and how he responds but kendrick green the fact. They're even saying he's going to start. 'cause do i need to remind everybody out there. Jc an our not proven bj finney not proven kendra green not proven as rookie. They're given the rookie. The first shot. I have no problem they said. Bj feeney's going to get the start in the hall of fame game and then kendra green. We're gonna work in nope kendrick. Greens getting the start. That's significant all right. The next offensive player pat fryer second round. Pick out a penn state. This kid has been turning heads so foreign training camp. He is his smooth route running his tremendous athleticism his ability to catch the football. Just on sunday those reporting random wonderful fade route cottage to- tapped in the back of the endzone. Summer saying travis kelsey. I think it's a little bit more of a rob gronkowski type. I don't think he's as athletic. Is travis kelsey but any time you're talking about that type of mold for a tight end. That's exciting is. Heath miller was great in heath miller was probably one of the greatest if not the greatest tight end in steelers history but heath miller was not uber athletic. He was he was a great blocker he was a great pass catcher but he didn't have the athleticism that someone like fire mute does so. That's exciting infirm. Youth has been turning heads. But everyone always puts a caveat out there. Let's wait and see until the pads come on the one area that a lot of fans and a lot of media and a lot of scouts said we're not sure how this will translate to the. Nfl is his ability to block. It's his ability to block. And so will he be a player that mad canada in certain settings will say. I want fryer on the field with not without eric. Hebron that's going to ruin very fascinated to watch what kind of offensive sets and packages are going to use Are they going to deploy a lot of two tight end sets. Are they going to have firearm without without hebron going to be something to watch for fryer. Mu so far has not disappointed. We'll put it that way. All right last one for the offense of side is trade. Turn the guard right. Guard filling in for david decastro. This guy's a veteran. You know he was a pro bowler for the carolina panthers. He's been a super bowl. He gets traded to to the la chargers one season riddled with injury doesn't pan out analysis and he's a free agent. He finds his way pittsburgh. Just like melvin. Ingram he is. He's considered to be healthy now. And i've really like everything that he saying. As a veteran their words matter to me as a rookie words don't matter. I don't need to hear you say it. I want you to show me that you can do it but verner trae. Turner say that. He respects david decastro that he understands that a lot of people were comparing him to david castrated their different players. David decastro is great. He's been saying all the right things. He shows respect level for the players that went before him. And he's really excited to get an aggressive offensive line back in pittsburgh and that's what we all want. We want this team to be able to run the ball. We want this team to be more smashmouth. We want this team to be more physical and way trade turner talks. That's where they're headed and that's exciting. It's i've learned a lot about trade turner. As he's a new player. He met with media on sunday. And so that's awesome. Now you might be sitting the thing. What about special teams. You talked about defense. Javale talked about offense jeff. What about special teams. Well first and foremost there's been no reports of special teams so far in training camp and don't talk to me about that weasel boy jordan berry being the starting punter on the first depth chart. I don't wanna hear it. I don't wanna hear it. Why do i not want to hear it. Because jordan barium again. They're not just going to give the job to presley harbin. he's after earn it. He's in the preseason and out punt jordan berry i hate saying that but if if presley harbin big press as i call him if he goes out there in shanks punts guess. What weasel boy. We'll be right back where he was last year. That's just the facts. So i don't wanna talk about special teams. I really don't that deb. Charlie ticked me off on away. All right let's go to our final segment. Here will the preseason be a good test for the steelers and we'll tell us anything in. Let's go what did i say. Will this preseason be a good test and we'll tell us anymore. First and foremost. I think that having four preseason games is a plus for the steelers there team we think about the offensive line. This is an example. They have five players in new positions this year. They might be a new player whether it's trae turner. They may be a rookie like kendrick green. They might be a second year player. Like kevin dotson or maybe they're a trade turner's new team right garter for hasn't played left tackle since colleges act banner who only played in three quarters of a game last season as a starter. They could use all the practice they can get. I mean all of it. So when i looked through this. Let's go over these four games. I the hall of fame game august fifth versus dallas. Are we going to learn anything in that game. Probably not probably not being completely realistic. We'll look at death. We'll we'll focus on players like shocker brown and the mon- wade. We'll we'll watch those guys but we're not gonna learn too much the second week which is week one. Technically the pittsburgh steelers go to the philadelphia eagles. Well first and foremost. Hey this this got a little bit more interesting. Why stephen nelson's on the other side so the steelers will be in steven nelson willy play. I don't know but their defense is going to go in jalen hurts. I'm sure he'll play some in that first week. Maybe not a lot. Will the steelers see ben rothlisberger in that week one game and remember when i say we want. It's not their first game of first week. Keep that in mind. So i think philadelphia their defense to will be a good test for pittsburgh i really do. Then we're gonna week to the detroit. Lions come to pittsburgh which by the way the steelers played the detroit lions in the regular season. It's weird to consider this but you have to remember this is this could be a typical preseason for pittsburgh in which case they use the hall of fame game is week one as it was back in two thousand nineteen they use the week one game at phillies week to they use the week two game. Which would would technically be week. Three vs detroit as we three which would be like the final dress rehearsal as we all call it. Now it'd be where ben rothlisberger plays a significant number of snaps. They actually game plan a little bit. I don't know this is all new. This is all new to the to the steelers to the fans the media everything. But let's also not forget the jerry goff's on detroit and you have to wonder since the regular season opponent. Are they not going to do certain things. Are they going to be more bland on offense. More vanilla defense was the sea. It's all going to be interesting. But i think that the lions is a team. I'm not expecting too much from them. This season. I don't think they're going to be that great. They're going to be better than they were last season. But again a lot of that. Hinges on jared goff and kenny. Turn the corner of his career in and improve. We'll see in. Lastly the final week technically week three but for the steelers week. Four ad carolina. August twenty seventh. This is a game. You won't see a lot of starters. I don't think. Sam darnold will be playing for the carolina panthers. I don't think. Ben roethlisberger will be playing for the pittsburgh steelers. This is the players last chance to make an impression. So is it a good task. Dallas philly between carolina and could be better. It could be better but at the same time you know. You're not gonna complain about it either. You're not gonna complain about it either. So all right folks that about does it had a great weekend by the way great weekend as bag on my hometown wheeling west virginia played in a golf tournament brother and i played. It's a single man and a best ball tournament. Baseball finished finish third. So we want some stuff overall. I didn't play as well as i wanted but still finished in the top fifteen. My brother finished fifth so we. We had a good weekend good weekend. I hope you had a great weekend. I hope that you ready for the upcoming week. I hope that behind the curtain. Dot com is your one-stop shop. Frothing pittsburgh steelers remember. Let that be rowlett. Create a free account go to the bottom of any article behind the steel curtain dot com. 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OBI Listener Questions: Hazy Futures

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OBI Listener Questions: Hazy Futures

"Everyone. Welcome to a very special episode of the orange and black insider Bengals podcast. It's our inaugural listener questions episode, we've done listener questions in the past, but never done a standalone episode so welcome to it. If you're joining us, live pope, you enjoy it. If you're listening to it after the fact, I am Anthony Kazan's, and as usual, I am joined by my co host, John here. John happy Friday, Tia, have you need is he will more natural light in your humble abode. There must be out there. I think. Yeah. Yeah. Just before I took the Saami mowing down some food. So, yeah. Lunchtime for me. But I appreciate you, you know making the time for this. We're going to dive right into some questions. We've already got some via via Twitter. We've we've had some via Email. We've had some via text and call. So we're gonna get to all of those, you can have yours heard on the air or you know, you can have your. I heard on the air by doing the live YouTube chat. You can leave it there, you can get in touch with us. Nine for nine five four to six two four one call or text, you can leave him in cincy jungle comment thread, this, this going live on cincy, jungled dot com as well. So leave it there, and we will get your questions for some reason, we do not get your questions keep it to cincy. Jungle dot com. We're gonna try and get to we're gonna try and get to the rest that we don't get to in a mail bag post. So check that out in John just like that we've already got someone on the line. I believe it's Wayne, Wayne are you there? The orange black 'insider. Air calling from Cleveland. Oh boy. Okay. What's on? What's on your mind this week? Let's talk about the, the ball distribution after voiding green have planned out between I is Nick and Roz than whoever Arison Tate, whatever. We're gonna take your question off the air. Thanks for calling in Wayne. Don't be a stranger man, hopefully, you call in again, soon in hopefully, we give you some sort of answer. You're looking for a pre she at the question. That's a good question too. So that's Wayne from from Cleveland. I'm sure it's an interesting time in his town. That's an interesting question, because this is this is going to be a kind of a point of debate because of the news Acteal offense. John. So how do you foresee that kind of going, if you have a percentage, split to, I'm sure we'd love to hear it but might be a little early for that. Yes union, I'm gonna on the lead out percentage until we get closer there. But I think the plane would always be long as Tyler, it's here, he would always be like that third option because he's not exactly appear tight end. He's more of just a big receiver. I think he's by far the second or third most towns receiver they have. But of course, the answer this question in just as overall question is always varies, and it will always be different once. Roles changing as well. So I think the plan should be I for. And after that, then go gradually go into Ross than Ericsson, obviously in visa probably in between both of those guys. So I think in that Jenner order the plan, but obviously you can never count on a health. So, you know. I think the plan would be I for, but I don't think he's going to end up being that unless he proves healthy. I also think it has to do its its formation dependent in situation dependent, right? I mean, I think we know greens kind of do it all guy. Boyd is a guy that will move the sticks. He's becoming more of a do it all. But he is kind of those more of the tough catch move. The sticks shorter yardage intermediate routes where, you know, I think you're right about I for kind of being, you know, maybe number two number three in the pecking order. But I think that is also I think where he's really going to be used heavily is going to be in the red zone like that's his forte. I think that's where you're gonna see a lot of usage for, for. I do think, unfortunately, I think there's going to be a little bit of a pitch count there, because I think they want to have them healthy, they'd rather have him around and maybe limited snap have them around longer limited snaps than, you know, Adam for four games and be gone, again, potentially. So, you know, I think I think. I for it's going be definitely upper in the upper mix of things, but I think it's going to be more in the red zone. I think the Bengals are trusting guys like Boyd Dhamma and, you know, I, I also thought Wayne brought an interesting point about Erickson, I think Erickson, apparently, there's, you know, there were some trade offers for Ericsson in the Bengals were unwilling to part with him, so he could see an increase in snaps on offense as well, going to our emails, John. There was one from Chris Preece in this. I thought this was a good one, too, because it says, what's, what's the buzz in OT as about the defensive scheme in what the players think about it? We hear a ton about how great the offense is slash will be. But I'm really concerned about Lou Anna room. Oh being an unproven defensive coordinator with what happened last year. Yes. That's a fair concern because just like Taylor little to no experience as a play caller in the NFL. I think the one thing that we've heard though is that. Of how different in a more positive since from terra Lawson because players, according to Jeff hops Bengals com. They run comfortable. They were tentative they were just unsure about their assignments. There's miscommunication with that. And I think the biggest differences been is just more simplified in more plain to player straits in that I pause at that because you kind of heard similar things last year, the offense with Bill laser remember specifically article on the athlete, by house similar was the air coryell system, were, you know, all the route combinations were just based off numbers in very easy to communicate in that sense. So as long as it's not bland in easy to pick apart. I think it should benefit, especially the young players to pick it up more quickly than will injects trouble last year. The scheme the linebackers had immense trouble with the scheme last year. So simplified is definitely better when in football sense. But as long as it's not to simplify were can't get figured out in a couple of weeks because defense production in efficiencies of all, will the NFL hard to sustain that success. What if they can find a way to maximum? Does the streets. I think I think those should be on the right path. And hopefully they are because they definitely need to be a lot better on defense this year. Yeah. I think I think it's as off as it's going to sound saying a lot. I think there's going to be a mix on defense. In terms of there's gonna be there needs to be the simplification of things I think there were thrown too much too many. They're trying to do too many different things all in one game or one couple couple of games. And you know, guys were confused in just obviously you saw it on the field. They just were out of position a lot and it showed it hurt him a specially against the higher quality offenses, but I so I think there is going to be a simplification of a lot of things. But I also think there's gonna be some according to a room there's gonna be a mix up of looks that we haven't really seen too often. I think there's gonna be lesser linebackers on field. Maybe that's why they only used to basically to draft picks resigned. One guy. I guess it's three players. It's not just but I mean they. Rid of Burr fict-, and they're making some changes there. But you would have thought they would have maybe done even more than that, in, they didn't. So I think maybe you're going to see more defensive back heavy schemes. That's why Denard and wwl were brought in and I think, you know, you may see some three man fronts five-man, man fronts. They're just gonna do some different things. But I think they are going to I think they're going to most of what they run will be a little bit more simplified than than it was under tear Lhasa because that was just an absolute disaster under him. So in the in the live YouTube chat, and this was this person is in a live you to chat, as well as leaving a question. Four us in the cincy jungle thread. I think it's Lil AJ eighteen who are your favorite rookies this year one on offense and on defense and why. All right. Therapies definitely on offense. Joan williams. Just a great prospect. He's gonna play me Lee. We're gonna get to see how well his game translates, as a rookie 'cause rookie offense alignments exceeding early is a rare thing, the NFL in typically, only first rounders of the guys who do it. So it's gonna just seem to see how that plays out favourite gun defense Pratt because he was another one of my favorites in maybe my favorite traffic of the entire draft outside of the first round. He's also gonna play early. I love skill set. A elimidate brings as we sideline baggers as pursuit linebacker. I think if you're looking at guys who can replace what birth brought on his best days problems on the best guys on the draft. So come aboard answer, but three just come to mind because they're gonna play early. We're gonna get to see the early dividends those of this picks will you call it a boring answer. I call it the, the, the smart answer. And I'm gonna go round of maybe that maybe isn't as smart because to me, this is dependent upon what you're what you're actually asking. I think you're going in. It's probably the. Right way. What how this person meant it, but it's you know who your favorite rookies on offense, defense because of their potential impacts on day one, and those guys easily, you know, they should be starting and they should they should be approved. It's where they're they're starting. So I mean obviously, those to make a difference. I mean for me though, you know, I look at potential in a looked at maybe a little bit of back story for for a couple of guys on offense. I like the Rodney Anderson pick a lot. Now it may be Richert year. It may be a guy that, you know, maybe doesn't really even aside from the rehabbing the injury. He's down on the pecking order. So he may not even contribute much twenty nineteen. But I think he would have been. I mean, there were there was talk that he would have been one of the top running backs in this class at he'd been healthy. He has explosion he has, you know you can catch the ball. Well, I think that's a diamond in the rough so to speak. And the Bengals got a steel with him as Giovanni Bernard. Tensely moves on from the team after this year. Maybe he's a guy who figures to have a more prominent role, I think trading on Williams's isn't interesting guy because of his potential scheme fit. And familiarity with what Jim Turner likes to do with the offensive line. But I think Rodney Anderson on offense has a little more upside. And you know, we got to be patient with him. I think but in terms of my favorite pick. I think value potential and kind of a surprise, you know, after they grab another running back. They went and got another one. So interesting guy there to me in. I don't know that he'll ever amount to too much in terms of appro in terms of the starter or anything like that. But I guess, on defense I'm gonna go to Sean Davis simply because of the story behind him. You know, he's he's kind of the old school mold. He's you didn't test overly. Well, Chan the chips are stacked against him as a pro to be a real. You know, a guy that's gonna contribute at a high level. But for me you look back to some of the stories you hear about this kid, he, you know, he was around a lot of troubled people in his in his life. And I think middle schoolteacher told him basically, by the age of eighteen you'll be in jail or dead. And now here he is he's I think he has degree from Auburn and he's playing he's playing professional football. And you know he may be nothing more than a special teams guy for the Bengals for a couple of years. But even so, that's, that's pretty cool. So to me, those are those are for differing reasons I like the guys you mentioned, obviously, for on-field reasons, but for some other reasons, I like I like those I'm surprised neither said, drew sample AK the grace had ever existed. Yeah. I think if a member of the Bengals coaching staff was on the program today, it would probably note that. So this is the orange black insider Bengals podcast. John Sheeran John over there, Anthony presents here, we are going through some listener questions. We, we used to do these at the end of our weekly stand weekly standard show, but we've decided that, you know, shows are going to long we wanna keep bringing new content. And we wanted to have you continue to have a voice on this program, so we thought we'd give you a specific platform to do that. If we don't get your question. 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As the orange bucket sadder who's this? What's going on, man? You made it, you made it to the to the other show. How you doing? This. Pam's all air show just after they hearing about the kind of the most we in talks with AJ are stench now was San on drugs fan spam role for the payment might not be a child with the team. They with his first thing, then repack, your hope. So with you never know. Go ahead. I'm not I know fan. We just had my family and, you know, basically, like the big the big played this without, and we try to get adjust him like to takes care of up still think that we still got a good quarterback any but we had had a, a. Pippo go and just had a whole thing on an own those and talk about the J record against the ravens now. He he was visiting them. I have not before I before we took the air. I did not hear much. I think he's visiting the Panthers as of today, Terrell, we're gonna, we're, we're going to ask you questions off the air. Thanks for calling him man, good to hear from you again. So there's a couple of things there, and I'm gonna save the dull thing for last, John. If you don't mind because there are some other questions we received that can kind of tie into that the first thing in, I think, saw some rumblings of it before we took the air. I think did the Bengals make it known that they are working on extensions publicly now for AJ green in Tyler Boyd a friend of the front of the show as boogie made it known that they are currently in talks right now, his own little breaking news on his YouTube, channel news, stripe city. So, yeah, that was something that he drops on the time not too long ago. Yes. Aw. I saw. That's that's who I saw break it. And obviously for the official is if jazzing. Yeah. I think if anything it was. Mentioned through Bengals dot com. Jeff Hobson said something about, you know, there were talking about the Gerald McCoy thing. And I think, of course, I love Jeff Hodson, but of course, he's, he's the, the cold cold cold water bucket guy. You know, he kind of said, you know, not at the expense, you know, Gerald McCoy, they're interested, if the price is right, and all that kind of stuff, but not at the expense of potentially boy, band or green, I get it. But at the same time other teams manage to do these things all the time. So I don't know how, you know, whatever. But, you know, speaking to Terrell's other question might understanding is at McCoy had a meeting with the Browns and the ravens this week is now headed to Carolina for a meeting this weekend after that probably on a mole his options. Some people are saying, you know, because he left those other two in an Hobson's comments on an article, maybe. Bangles are still in the mix. I don't buy it. I don't know if you have any other updates opinions on that based on what Terrell was asking. I buy they're interested. I don't buy that they'll be able to get into the door because if he's not going to accept the money that the Browns initially offered the ravens initially offered just no way in hell these except for the panels offering because it's not gonna be as much which is just something we all kinda do. So I don't doubt that the interest Israel by stout. The ability for them to get him to come here, regardless of the connections between Zack Taylor aged green shares Asian in Mark Duffner who was his defensive coordinator last year. So there's connections there, but it's just it comes down to the one thing that has always prohibited them from closing the deal on these kinds of things. So. Terrell mention you know, he thinks especially with the crew kind of intact again. And obviously this new system. There's, there's a dividing line amongst fans this year. You know, it's, it's Dalton's gonna do awesome in this new system with all these guys around him in an improved seemingly improved ofensive line, or it's gonna be a lot more of the same where, you know, he beats the teams in place while against the teams he supposed to falters in the big games and, you know, then you know we're back to square one potentially in a year or two the Bengals looking for a new quarterback. So there's Terrell stance ease ease bit more positive. And then we also had a text message from five one three area code. I didn't catch the name on it. But on the other side of the coin is you had this, if you had to convince a fan in the liking Andy Dalton in order to keep him from switching to Cleveland could you do it in? What would you say asking for Renton, and I'm sure of course, asking for a friend is what we quote asking for friend. So, you know. Number one for you. I wanna I wanna ask, you know where you reside between the Tyrrell camp. And this text message IRS, camp, and also what, what would you say to someone that's maybe looking to jumped ship specifically because of. Okay. So I'm just kind of in the middle because I know that under the right scenario circumstances, you can get near elite production adult. I just don't believe at this point is career it's sustainable because we've seen it hasn't been sustainable, if the supporting cast diminishes even in the slightest. And if there is a blue average play caller that can elevate him to what he can't be under the right circumstances. So I do believe that if this is this point guesses tiller is the play caller. You are going to be able to get nearly production adult as long as everybody stays healthy. I don't believe in something they count on for another four to five years AK at the, the length of third. Contradicts for him. I think they need to have the courage to look at whatever does this year. Good or bad realize that, hey. Is probably for us. We need to find someone who's better who can sustain success, regardless of the of running cast, and I don't believe they're capable of doing that because I feel like if don't succeeds well, he's gonna get another contract, but if he doesn't the Bengals gonna suffer, but they'll find another quarterback was like a middle ground that you have to kind of decide, what side that you're on. I'm just in the camp that, you know, they understand who dull news, but they still wanna maximize him because he's here now the team succeed, and as far as comparing the Bengals to Cleveland. Do you like? Redheads brunettes. And I and I don't believe that Dolan ever put flag in Ohio State Smithfield. So if you're buckeyes fan at least something that, that, that you don't ever done. So I have a lot with that. Yeah. A by the way, it might have been something on my end. Mister center said, we heard you, John. So I may have just had to repeat yourself. But I just rehearsal. Yeah. There you go. It's the joys of live recording. And we'll get that figured out, but yeah, great great stuff on that. And, you know, I, I will say this, I think you kind of sort of began to touch on it, and I think that's what's something important to note. Yeah, you know, quarterbacks in a system. Maybe take two to three years to be most comfortable in all of that. But I would say. Especially someone looking to defect to Cleveland. You know, I would say that this is probably the year that you will see the max, you will see out of antidote and for better for worse, and I say that because it's it's a quarterback friendly system. All of the guys are back healthy. I highly doubt that the injury bug is going to hit as severely as it did last year. There seems to be a new energy in the in the team. And the offense of line is seemingly improved on paper, even if it's marginally improved. It seems to be improved. So, you know, I, I would say that this year is probably, you know, you maybe want to give it one more year because this is probably the year that you will see the most that you will have seen Andy Dalton and if he can't if he can't replicate something close to the twenty fifteen stats in confidence level that we saw, then, you know, than I think that your sign that that's definitely time to move on from him. We're gonna get outta here in just a minute or two. This. Anthony Kazan's in John Sharon, with the orange black insider Bengals podcast as well as cincy, jungled dot com. You can get all of our contact on all of our content on since he jungle dot com as well as I tunes Stitcher Spotify Google play. You can get it on the megaphone platform, as well as our YouTube channel. Subscribe to our channels in. Hey, we're gonna keep doing these standalone listener question episodes. So join us submit your questions wanna keep hearing from you. We had a great response for this inaugural, standalone episode. We've got a few more that, that have come our way, I don't think we'll get to all of them, but there is one, especially because it's so complementary, John, and it was a very, very interesting question is from Thomas Mack. I think this one was the Email is well, I Anthony have been following the podcast via YouTube for awhile now, as well as the junk a website. It's my first time writing in, and I'd like to thank you, John and the rest of the staff of the job you guys do in Bengals coverage. Wjr. I love to talk bagels football but don't really have other fans. He's in Charleston West Virginia to chat at length with the question trying to be brief year. Feel like to the off season put into take out insurance policy so to speak talking about the injuries from last year and backups forced into service. My questions are do you agree? Do you agree that the, the off-season emphasis was on upgrading the back end of the roster? And do you think the Bengals will make more moves during and or after training camp is other teams players? Thanks again to you and your fellow staff for your work because, like, I'd be happy to submit a piece the further Bax view. I said this before John on some episodes recently that I, I don't know if this was necessarily the the strategy this year, but I think the Bengals have made it known that they think they have enough talent at the starting spots that they can compete with a lot of other teams. If not every other team. Ghanaian van Cise. They think that but they. The key for them or key for them was to bolster some of these backup spots if that injury bug did again. I mean it was they were insanely unlucky last year. But you saw some of these guys went down. This team was nowhere near the same as it was when they started obviously, they're playing better teams too. But, you know, for me, I think the key to this team is that they are better prepared. If those injuries hit again to remain competitive win more games than in years past. It's an interesting dynamic, because I do agree with you that they are more there's more company as more comforting depth at positions this year than compared to last year. But also, they also believed that they have a starting quality right tackle, so it's not like we can take the word for everything they say, but yeah. Like only to draft picks are projected the start. And that's some pretty similar to what has been in years past typically, like draft guys, don't play immediately in, in early, which is definitely fine because it's hard to trust a lot of rookie starting at the same time. But also the same time under Marvin Lewis, you had a lot of veterans who kind of held onto to their spots, a lot longer than the lack of trust in rookies kinda a bid. So I don't think it's tremendously different terms of draft strategy from that sense. And also the fact that most of their free agent signings. John Miller, BWI Kerry win. At least to at least two guys went sign or figured to start. Don't think web is gonna be the started out that dinners back Miller definite looks like he's gonna start in signing. Afri. He's like the one free freedom is gonna start. And you know web has certain abilities to start in the contract that maybe could indicated that I think win is technically inclined to play significant snaps that nickel pass rusher. So in terms of just process, I think it's not tremendously different in years past which kind of goes along the same line, like the most, the course still there filling out the rest of the death. I think that's just a good way of looking at it where it's just improving the back end of the roster. Making sure that's really tough to crack down to fifty three players in thinking this is a five in, you know, a six ten team you Sooners talent there. But a lot of the was on the injury blog last year in enforcement. I think they're just doing their best to make sure that if it does happen again, they're in better position to still compete towards the end of the season. Hopefully the healthly in this process will pay off whereas they're not looking to add more Mead starters through free agency in the draft just hopefully they can maintain health and utilize that depth to its maximum. Yeah, I mean that that's why. Yeah. I, I don't wanna sit here and say, you know, immediately all the Bengals playoff team in twenty nineteen but you know, that's where I bought it. You know, the national media calling this team of three win team and all of that based on Andy Dalton being out last year age agree. I mean there were a lot of significant injuries that doesn't necessarily mean that they'll be, you know, a ten eleven when team this year but you know, I don't see how a six and ten team with Jeff Driscoll starting games in, in other players stepping in for others. See how they they win three less gain or lose three more games than they did last year based on all of that. Maybe they tried water. Maybe they improve game or two and that's it. But I, I don't I that doesn't really make much sense to me. But, you know, it is what it is. And we talked about some other national media members kinda hating on the Bengals this week's last episode. That's gonna do it for us in the we wish we could get to all the questions. There was one from Sam anger in the UK. There's a couple of others in the live YouTube jet. There was one from fourteen in the hall of fame now on the cincy jungle comment thread repulsive, we couldn't get to those, we're gonna try and get to those on some since jungle mailbag post, we appreciate all the feedback. We're gonna continue to do this, especially since you guys seem to enjoy it and submitted so many questions to us. We appreciate that. 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Hawks soar past the Sixers in game 4

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Hawks soar past the Sixers in game 4

"The goodyear knows the importance of keeping momentum as you head down the stretch. Momentum starts with movement. It's pulled from the air like a contested. Rebound momentum builds with steals and fast breaks and is proven by deep threes as the shot clock expires momentum. This how we changed the game and now it's time to discover where it can take us goodyear more driven. That's the music you want on a tuesday. Welcome to the. I'm rachel nichols thrilled to be joined by eight. Time all star future hall of famer. Mr vince carter are fabulous. Nba wmba analysts. Monica mcnutt is going to join us a little bit later in the show. We also have big news at brooklyn today. James harden looks like he's going to give it a go with that pivotal game. Five zero vince to talk about today. First though let's get to it happened in atlanta constructing a winning. Nba team is sort of like putting together a show stopping meal. There are a lot of different ways to go about it. If you're historically a glimmer franchise maybe you have the resources to just go out and grabs lobster and caviar. If you're not maybe you have to grow the ingredients at home yourself either way. Once you get food on the stove it all comes down to the same thing when the lights are the brightest when the world is watching and everything is on the line. Can you cook the atlanta hawks keep proving their answer is a bonafide. Yes not only. Did they walk into madison square garden in the first round fillet team carrying the momentum of all of new york city. They are now sitting. Just two wins away from the eastern conference finals. Thanks to last night's the real ride of a win over the sixers tied that series at two apiece and yes a lot of what happens next year will depend on the health of joel. Embiid's nia and we'll get to that in a moment. Let's not pretend. The hawks are just bystanders. Here atlanta was down eighteen points near the end of the first half last night and no one would blink twice if the team had just acquiesced this is still a young group. Philadelphia is the number one seed led by a championship coach and to perennial all stars. And certainly the favorite in this matchup. But the hawks did not ask we ask. The hawks dug in handily winning the third quarter cut the sixers lead to two. Thanks to some dramatic and terrific. Two way play from john collins and of course a push from trae young who continues to show. he's not just sizzle but strength as played through a shoulder injury. I loved this sequence with the two of them. Here in the fourth quarter collins hustling for a rebound gives the ball to trae. Who makes after the drive this pass. I mean come on. Jc then pays it off with the triple young actually assisted or scored on the hawks vinyl fifteen points and after the game he talked about exactly the kind of environment talk attitude that his exemplified. This atlanta team. I mean we've been fighting. I mean all year. We've been fighting all year in this team. Never gives up we No matter what the score is throughout the game we know it's a long game The nba is a long game and does forty-eight mini game. We just stay level headed throughout the whole game. Every team's gonna make ryan I love the way we fight now. While the hawks were making runs the sixers were trying to figure out what was going on with their star. Joel embiid took a mysterious. Not actually that mysterious trip to the locker room in the first half and by the second half it was clear he was having significant trouble with the knee injury. That has been hounding him all series. He went an astounding over twelve from the floor during that stretch no basket more costly than the one with just under ten seconds left a point blank. Layup that embiid could well not way up afterward. Joel said quote. I just didn't have lift adding that not being able to jump for obvious reasons. It's tough we don't know exactly how embiid's health we'll go from here. The injury is a partially torn meniscus. While honestly shouldn't be able to play well on it at all. He has somehow still managed to have some huge games in this series. And maybe he will be able to come up with another one when thing shipped back to philadelphia for wednesday's game five. Of course the hawks will be ready for that one too as we saw last night. This is a team that knows how to take a meal. That is simmering on the stove and turn it up to eight full boil. You know what you can keep your lobster and caviar. There's was some good old fashioned southern cooking and as you can see it'll do just fine so vents. I'm supposed to ask you since this is now a best of three. Do you believe in atlanta. But since carter. I know you believe in atlanta. So tell me think that atlanta can win this series i believe in atlanta. Obviously it's all based around joel and his injury because if we look what he did. In the first three games he was dominant. He was beating double team single coverage whatever he wanted and even in the first half of game four. He was doing what he wanted. And then the second half things changed a little bit. And the hawks were able to play joel single coverage and they got to the shooters and that allowed them to close out on tobias harris the close out on curry and now allow them to take over the game or make the game easier. Joel embiid and you can see their confidence growing. But we have to give a shoutout to john collins because what he did in. The third quarter helped the hawks get back into the game. And then of course trae took over in the fourth. I don't take advantage of the fact that you played on this team. Vince inside the locker room here especially with john collins. Because we've talked about trae plenty. He has been just a supernova. This playoffs john. Collins development has been so promising really since his rookie year. But it's head stops and starts. What did you see him when you played with him. And what are you seeing. How that all come to fruition and a game like last night well first off. i mean. He's just flying under the radar this year. And he's playing great basketball. I remember walking in the door. And john just like. Hey let's get it. Let's learn. I want to get better. And he wants to get better and he wants to learn and we just worked footwork technique catching and shooting threes. And look what. He's doing as far as his footwork. Point line which maybe a lot of people don't notice both. Do you showed that play trade mate the past three underneath and he just catches and shoots it now with confidence doesn't hesitate so he's done what kevin hurt. Her has done as far as his maturity. And confidence and clint cappella defensively just cleaning up on the glass scoring. I mean years ago. Did you ever think you can throw the barclay cappella. He's gonna get you a bucket and doing what he's doing and they just believe that'd be. They're playing with a lot of confidence right down and they should be excited down here in atlanta the way they went after clinton didn't have immediate payoff in fact when they traded for him. You know vince. He was hurt right so there was a lot of people being like. Why exactly did you make this move especially right now and guess what it was for this reason. They knew when the team was finally able to come together. They would get that play. A man since nate mcmillan took over that coaching job and they have been on a rocket ship. You did mention joel embiid. Of course as goes him and this injury is going to go a lot in the rest of this series old for twelve from the field after halftime and here is embiid after the game talking a little more about his health. Take a listen not been play. Worl- sometimes you just can't quantum. Sometimes i thought the second half a bunch chancellor in you know that was a couple calls that the goal you know either way. You're not new bad. i can always be by us. You know you've been one hundred se. I don't think that's or happened. Senators years actually over. I'm just gonna go on their badge servants. That was the worst shooting half of basketball in the last twenty. Five postseasons you well. You're what you're on the list right friend head right in two thousand six. How does m b. shake this off going forward in this series. What did you do for him early in the game you wanna get style get to the free throw line and it happened in the second half because he was playing great basketball in the first half and of course the injury and you look you look at that last play. He said i couldn't dunk the ball. I noticed he was just searching for pow's because he couldn't get the list he wanted. You can see click. Cappella did a great job of avoiding the contact and nothing was there and he just blows the layoff so joel it's as much treatment as you can possibly get and you give your team everything you have. But he's going to need a in supporting cast. Ben simmons going to have to play better. Obviously curry was on fire in the first half once they were able to play. Joel be single. Coverage hawks were able to get out to the shooter so they have decisions to make i feature joy embiid early and see what happens and then first of all. It's such a great point you made about the defense. I do think there's going to be a heart to heart. Between doc rivers and joel embiid sometime before that x game of to your point not hunting for fouls not having this fan his head. Right fence rachel. I want to say we gotta think defensively if he's not healthy that's going to be a big factor because early in the say. The first three games at the hawks who weren't really able to get the love play pick and roll that they were typically. He didn't see him leading math. Now you put joel in the pick and roll and he has a decision to make. Does he play the law. Does he get up on trade for the floater and now that three point shot opens up. So i i suspect. The hawks will go at him early to test that knee out as well sell. So interesting and i will say vince. You've been in that arena. Obviously a ton. That place was on fire last night. So shout out. To the hawks fads that was just. It was awesome. Awesome all right coming up. We're gonna talk. James harden because he is now upgraded to questionable for game five tonight. This is a huge reversal l. Yesterday now he's gonna try to give it a go. I will ask vents. What is like to play hurt in days game. Good you news. The importance of keeping momentum as you head down the stretch momentum start movement is pulled from the air like a contested rebound momentum builds with steals and fast breaks and disproven by deep threes. The shot clock expires. Momentum is how changed the game and now it's time to discover where it can take us goodyear more driven so the nba is defensive. Teams were announced. Yesterday i ain't featuring rudy gobert draymond. Green ben simmons jrue holiday and yannis the second team features. Joel embiid qui- letter jimmy butler bam outta by you and with di bowl monica mcnutt. Welcome to the job. Anyone you wanted to see on there. That did not make it for the welcome rachel. Abc anyone this guy. Who's who slow down steps significantly obviously in that playing game but just in general i mean. He has a rap of never backing down from defensive match up. I'm gonna assume the fact that he's so willing to use all of his fouls kind of hurt his case. Nothing dillon brooks should have been on his list. I'm gonna go with clint cappella and rates. Already know what. You're gonna say the hawks but clinton kepala what he's done for his team and allow them to move on. I mean he was great against What's the the knicks. He was trying to get the knicks games as far as giving him and transitioning knock you down three so whereas capello using all your health is part of the game. They let you do that. Monica all of them looking to grow your interests and passions then let the people in facebook groups help. Facebook groups helps you find your interest learn new things and grow your passions through safe and inclusive communities because when other share your passion they take it to new places so whether you love basketball because of the handles on court supporting your local team the sneakers and the fits you can find a community on facebook. Groups find your group facebook dot slash groups. That's facebook dot com slash groups. Take on anything with facebook groups. Let's typical i but also his teammate. Paul george last night. Pg thirteen ankle white eats dropped thirty one and another win at home to even up the series while a lot of the focus is on pg because he's such an x factor if he is a great game it makes a huge difference. Ya gotta check. Hawaii's numbers between wins and losses because even losses. He's very very good but human wins. The man has been nuclear. Averaging nearly thirty four point two game on sixty five forty five ninety shooting splits now laws again. More human averaging twenty six on forty eight thirty two eighty five shooting splits. But vince the clippers now tied to two after trailing to. So what do you think has changed for them that they are now in it in. This series is easy to say home cooking. That's easy but i give credit to tie lou making the adjustment of playing small ball. They worked in game three and they started with engaging for. And here's why say it put in a situation where he can't get to the help side blocks or in the paint fast enough because he's leaving shooters and when he did step in the pay. Penetrate pitch more marcus morris. Open three But to three so they put him in a situation where go bear in. Know what to do and i thought it was genius to start with that and now it opened the paint up for why if pg to get into the paint whenever they wanted me. I don't know which one comes. First if if the offensive decisions in terms of small or what it does allow them to do defensively. Because i've been impressed in the last two games with the way literally. The clippers are flying around offensively than five. We know that pat bev. We know that. Paul george and spots and kawhi leonard have made it very difficult on donovan mitchell. But in general there's not been a lapse in terms of their defensive rotations missing their assignments and to me that energy on the defensive in has allowed them to get up and down floor out in transition. Get to those those spots where they're knocking down three reasons. The small ball thing is huge. I'm noticing it on the defensive side of the ball just as much look eight is going to be fascinating because the utah jazz earned that number one seed rate so dallas lost the last four of the last five games in that first round series. The jazz are not the type of team that has lost. Four out of five games this season so for the clippers even though they've gotten back in it for them to win they will have to win. Four of the final five games of the series. It is a steep hill but they are starting to climb at all right. We are gonna talk. James harden right after this break because he is now cleared to play. Tonight vince will share his thoughts on the pressure. Hardness facing in this pivotal game. Five keeping relevance voice-over artist. I'm here to explain bottomless. How do i get across free refills on fries and drinks. Well here goes bottomless at red. Robin means free unlimited refills on the fries and sides that come with every burger or entree free refills on steak. Fry sweet potato fries. Yukon kettle chips garlic fried broccoli side software icees lemonade and even rukia floats offered at the knicks. Fire into your appetite does robin dome. Back to the jump rachel nichols here with vince. Carter monica mcnutt and let's get to the biggest news of the day involving james harden our senior insider announced. He says james is clear to play in game. Five against the bucks tonight. This is huge. Won't supporting hardly worked his hamstring. Through around without an issue he will do the same on the court. Prior to tip tonight vince. This man was ruled out. Officially yesterday i got in my email. Inbox you been. James harden choose. What is it like to try to play hurt in such a high pressure game is the playoffs. And you want to do whatever you can't for your team you just want to be careful. And obviously he's he knows how important it is trying to play through. It is it's difficult. It's difficult because there's some of the things that comes naturally. You can't do anymore it's for me. It was jumping So james harden. He's point guard uses his body his quickness and his ability to get into the paint. And you see once. He got the pain step. That's when you find out what's how actually fails because you're going to shoot around and go through everything but when you have to guard somebody or beat someone off the dribble. That's when that hamstring will be tested. I applaud james harden for pushing. And i certainly understand the urgency guys but i do wonder. Is it absolutely vital i mean. I think we've gotten lulled to sleep just a little bit on the capabilities of one kevin. Durant him although the allies stats that when teams are missing two of their top three scores. There's only win like twenty five percent of the time but if one of those top three is kevin durant. I think you still have a really strong san chance and so for me. i'm okay. James harden is going to go tonight. But we'll be able to play. Tonight are two different conversations in terms of the duration and the intensity of the basketball game. Honestly to me what might tip. That balance isn't as much whether james harden is or is not in the corridor. How much of james harden he really is. What is the officiating going to be like. And i am not make this clear. I am not saying we'll be fair or unfair for either team. Obviously there is a range of how games are officiated in terms of physicality. That is what i am talking about. How much are they quote leading the guys play versus calling the game tightly again. I was courtside for game. Four i can tell you they let those guys play. It was one of the basketball rickel old school basketball games. I have been in a long time. So vince i was courtside for your games. Those were rough and tumble games at the beginning of your career at the end of your career. Not quite so much. Right on. Sunday was an old school basketball game and that meant that. Pj tucker who is an old school basketball player could get kevin durant airspace physical space body space hip space ankle space in a way then. Frankly absolutely monica in a way that we did not see earlier in the series and because of that it made it very hard for kevin durant to win that game on his own once. Kyrie went down so to me yes. James harden playing will make a huge difference. of course. he's james hearted. What i want to see how this game is affiliated tonight because if it is allowed to be physical which i will tell you just as a basketball fan separate from this series. I like physical physical playoff games. That will make a difference on what kevin durant can do if pj tucker get too early couple fouls right whether he has to sit or be away. I will say this means when we talk about. James harden his organizational skills on the court his point guard skills. That is something that was missing really in the games. He hasn't played the series with great hamstring. Can he still do all of that stuff if he doesn't have to. Does he. not have to move as much but still can do that. That kind of thing. I think early in the game. He could facilitate inlet that hamstring. Get warm get comfortable on in live action and then after that you just see where you are as a player in and if you can beat the guy off the dribble and if you need to spot shooting like monica with this kevin durant out there. He's going to draw a lot of attention. And or because james harden is who he is. They're going to sit under him and make james harden. I'm sorry mckay. Dee beat tucker one so the wonderful thing about james hart. He is good at drawing fouls physicality on them can get their team into the penalty early because of his ability to draw foul. So i think early in the game. He's going to facilitate getting more. And then we'll see where it goes from there but do you think though that the bucks would game plan for him differently if they knew he was purely a facilitator like james harden games. He's able to be such a dynamic facilitator because you've got to respect them from forty five feet away from the rim now if he doesn't have his legs and can't score that way. Then i can plan for you as a facilitator better than i can for you as a score or just one or the other but remember this james hardie could still shoot the ball where we still work the super bowl you can still. You can still shoot. I think a hamstring muscle is pushing up in beating your man his step back game. He doesn't need a lot of space. James harden doesn't use a lot of lists on his shot. You know that's one of the things that like a dominique wilkins. Somebody like that. Who had a lot of lift where the hamstring to affect. So i mean it just depends on his pain. Tolerance is another factor in this. And what he can and can't do i mean he's given go. My only thing is. I just hope he's healthy enough when we don't want to see another anthony davis situation when he goes down and the nets do not have him for the rest of the series like you said earlier as we did see that they d right in and these injuries are connected so hadn't achilles injury obviously all the way back on valentine's day took a big chunk of time off tried to come back. You know he had hip injuries by injuries. Sort of little nagging things ankle right at one point so obviously that side of your body is a little bit weakened you can see with james harden are we going to have other sort of compensatory injuries that come into play for him. I will say this about james. The man is an iron man he has played. We looked it up today. Researcher michael schwartz ninety four percent of the games that his team has played over the course of his career. Whatever team he has been on he has played it more like did a shoe collab- with him because he's such an iron man. This is a man who wants to be on the court. And i do admire the fact. He is trying to be there tonight and he obviously knows not just for the brooklyn that's for him. I mean he's been trying to win a title for a very long time. This is probably one of his best chances to do so. He wants to help them. Get past this series. We'll find out if he is going to be able to. It is time friends who play one of our favourite games here on the jump. Something nothing everything. Let's get to another story from whoa. This is about the league exploring wool changes unnatural shot motions all right so per the league wants to limit the ability of players including stars. Like oh i don't know. James harden luka doncic trae young to lean backwards and sideways for example to initiate contact and get free throw. Monica trae young has been one of the brightest stars of this playoffs. Luka doncic put on a show in the first round is this something. Nothing or everything. Everything rachel and i mean that in the most negative way hate this but i've been approaching on guys ability to play the game and be crafty. Listen i was up close and personal to the knicks hawks series was just as agitated as anybody else with trae young but that is a part of his game and all the names that you've just listed rachel they are great players and that's part of their game. I was with the league on the kickout. Okay take that out with them on the zazai pachulia rule. I was with that for this to me. Only opens pandora's box with more subjectivity. These rules at this point as we saw with nikola yoga being ejected. What's the eliminate the subjectivity. This to me is going to be a hot mess. And what is going to do to these scores. Those guys that you listen to. They'll have to figure out another way to be effective as far as drawing fouls because trade knows if i speed up on the picket role in just slow down when that defend stop and throw the ball to the rim. You look at it. And i mean i'm with these guys and root for them but when you sit us like oh man come on it. Kind of takes the fun out of the game because they're superstars and they're already tough the guard and it's impossible as a defender to try to guard these guys when when that's allowed so at least they if they get the call it has to go into side. Well it's interesting. You just called that zappa truly a role. We all know why of what happened. A few years ago to assume if this goes through it will be called the trae young ruler referred to it that way and i think it's notable just because trae is the one i think would be most effective. He's the smaller guy by the he's not small. I'm five foot four. I'm small but he is smaller on that court. And so he has to do more things to sort of make his game breakthrough then a bigger guy. Like james harden luca danni which is a lot bigger than i think people realize when he's on the basketball court and can barrel through. I am curious whether this is going to be. Hey we just won't call the fells anymore. And so they won't have that and get to the free throw line or if it is we are going to start calling these as offensive fouls and they will be on the offensive player. I don't know if that's been clarified or not. But obviously that would have a huge impact on what they decide to go there so we will find out all right coming up. We're in taco boston celtics. Because i mean this is just so unusual. Brad stevens is going to choose his own successor as head coach. We've got some candidates for that job opening to go through. We'll discuss it next. Seventy nine percent of ceos are concerned about the availability of key digital skills but only eighteen percent are making progress with upskilling. Their workforce introducing pro edge appea- wdc product the revolutionary way to upskill your people and prepare organization for tomorrow. Focus on upskilling initiatives that can teach the digital skills needed to grow the business and increase productivity visit pro edge dot p. wc dot com slash podcast to learn about upskilling citizen led innovation and the workforce of the future mitchell six consecutive thirty games that ties. Carl malone's franchise playoff record. Monica will give me seven street. The knicks game rachel. He's gonna have to if the jazz wanna win right there. he's got to. There's nothing i mean this. That is impressive. But it's not because it's cuter empty. His team as needed right. I agree. I think he's definitely capable of doing it. Just will he run out of gas because he's working so hard to score bestest system my concern and we'd have like little tiny injuries. Knickknack things with him. He's clearly fighting on the other side by leonard. Obviously at all need through the end of the game we will see what happens. The next game in this series are according to fox sports. The orlando magic interview jason kidd for their vacant head coaching spot. This week the lakers have granted them permission. Also near the celtics per soccer practice facility in boston this billboard went up campaigning for becky hammon or terra lawson to be the next head coach again. Keira has worked on the celtics staff. She is just fantastic. Monico who do you think is the best bit to code the celtics. I don't necessarily have a name yet right. Although i liked the connection that care has but i have three cs. Candidates should have they've got to be able to connect with this squad. They got to be creative in the offense and the talents of these guys and they've obviously got to be able to convert in terms of everything that they're doing practice. I'm behind the scenes. Has the translate on the basketball court. Care i kind of liked that idea so this answer. I am no way shape before trying to take this coach away from the current currency. Which is nate. Mcmillan from. The atlanta hawks. Because i think the hawks likely will try to keep him. But i think what mcmillan has proven and shown what he can do with trae young. Just imagine what he could do. Because he's defensive money he has all the pieces. He has all the young talent offensively. Mcmillan would be good candidates as well as becky hammon. I think hammond that she can handle a team. I think she won the something. Many years back spurs obviously and she took control. That team did a great job. So i mean. I think there's some great candidates out there ought always chauncey billups after-sale. Who's put his time in as well. But i think make is showing that he can handle superstars and and take them to the next level. If the hawks don't take him snatching maybe it's up so much about this though. Rachel is not just the head guy but the staff right now the head guy or gal so i think if you can pepper and some of those names together really starting to cook what hassall care of course has a job as the head coach team it too so i think for her to move. She would have to be the head coach in boston. Who knows if she wants to do that. The nate mcmillan thing is interesting whether he ends up going somewhere or not. Because as you point out such a great fit in atlanta and i have to think ownership will do everything they can to keep him but he is still have that interim tag. and if i'm nick. Mcmillan i'm not saying no to other job interviews if may come up so that there's a bidding war for me. That's not the worst thing in the world either just again. It's amazing when you look at a different a year makes where you know. The pacers got rid of him even though he made the playoffs with that team even though he had just recently gotten a contract extension and here he is now has his team neck and neck ready for fighting for the eastern conference finals and possibly as you note vents bidding war breaking out for him. I do think it is interesting. The brad stevens is hiring his replacement. That is very unusual in the nba. And one of the questions. That was asked. our tim. Bontemps asked at the press conference were danny ainge announced. He was retiring. And the brad would be moving onto the front office. Tim asked both ownership and people facing at that press conference. Hey why is brad stevens for the franchise to be in the front office. Instead of on the sideline and there wasn't a great answer to that or a complete answer to that question when he asked but it tells me the fact that they made that move that they felt that maybe brad himself felt that his voice had kind worn out there and that somebody else needed to bring a different layer to coaching guys. Like jayson tatum and jaylen brown. So it is going to be interesting who they pick next. Because obviously those are huge assets for that franchise and someone these to help move them on to the next level to an nba finals level. Stage our guys. Here's what the jump recommends today on the. Espn app are analysts. Breaking down the remaining teams in the postseason sharing their best bets for the playoffs. This is actually really fun piece. Everyone liked team of series and made like some pretty bold prediction so go check it out. It's great we're watching the job and we'll be back right after this all right. It's crunch time here. On the junk damian lillard and draymond green seasons are over but be back in action soon both are among the initial commitments to team usa for the olympics this summer. This both you at larnaca working for nbc over in tokyo do you layers. You guys think players will be eager to join say or hesitant because it has been a year and a half and they need some rest. I think they'll be hesitant. Just because they need some rest. But that's a great start right there with daimler disappear score and then you get a guy like dre mondrian. Who's the point. Ford who who makes things happen and now these guys go out there and shoot the ball all over the arena. So it's it's a great star. But i think you'll see some hesitation in you'll get guys committing late before just jumping right on it that's hesitation and rightfully so guys as we look around the league at the amount of injuries and too big time named this season. However the other part about this that i also thought is dane. Be doing any recruiting. Because we all agree that he needs some help in portland or he got a new home if he's trying to get to that in terms of contending ring and it's no small thing team. Usa has been the base. The base of miami's group down there with lebron chris. Bosh dwayne wade and it was the base of of kevin durant and kyrie irvings friendship. Deondraye jordan it is the way we have seen some of these teams form. Maybe dame someone come to portland come come on over there. I will say that. I asked f curry and this was frankly two years ago about hey. Do you want to compete in tokyo. Because tokyo was supposed to happen last summer and he was saying. Oh my god. I've never done it. I would like to do it. I'd like to win an olympic gold medal. It is going to be tough for him for clay to sort of make the case of after all of the injuries and all of what has happened with that team that they should now go put themselves on the line over in tokyo but draymond doing it so we will find out tonight. Let's talk a little bucks and nets because as we have talked about throughout this show it is a massive game five tonight kyri will not play but even with james harden giving it a go. We don't know how healthy he will be so monica. Who would you say is under more pressure in game. five jaanus or kevin durant. This one's easy for me guys. It's yaeko slash coach. Boone holder the milwaukee bucks under all the pressure. If they can't get it done it will be said. You couldn't even do it with just one and a half. Maybe recently. how james looks of that big three. So it's the pressure all the pressures on the bucks to me. I'm going to go on the other side and says can't be because they because they formed his team For a reason and they wanna win. And now everybody's there. I think katie needs to step up because if they don't win tonight and it goes back to milwaukee boy took closeout game but james harden makes things a little easier for for the brooklyn nets. Indicate where i don't think he needs to score forty five but i think he still needs to be aggressive and come out early and often going. Pj tucker yeah. He's going to be physical. Okay draw the bows get to the free throw line. Get your team in the penalty. So i i think for kevin durant because the nets. We expect the nets to win. This is an important game to win on their home floor. I mean if we're going to flip this question kind of in the other direction of like who if you had to pick someone to have a game. Would it be honest or k. d. I have a hard time. Ever betting against kevin durant mean kevin durant. He is the most potent most dangerous scorers shooter. And everything else. You wanna to talk about in the league. So i feel like if you're gonna say oh my god who can really dig down and do a kevin durant i. It's hard to not say him. But what do you think. The one caveat though. Rachel is kind of what we've seen with james harden i believe that katie played three sets of back to back in the regular season so. I'm wondering about the durability and the overall conditioning playing at this heightened level with so much pressure on him. But i would agree with you but that is the one aspect that i have in the back of my mind as interesting you talked to about the pressure on the bucks an organization a second round exit is not what milwaukee was looking for. And i understand. Is that the brain. Draw the world to get brooklyn but as you guys point out. You're in brooklyn without at least one of its stars and maybe a half of another one of its stars vince. What do you think the mood is going to be like in hockey if they lose the series after everything they have done in the past couple of years to try to get to an mba finals. I mean it's is. Where where do we go from here. I say what's john is going to do. I know everybody's going to say that. But i think they will respond. We saw the response. They had per game three and game four after the losses. In excuse me in brooklyn. So i look for them to just come out and just let it all hang out. You're on the road. Just let it all hang out. There are so many layers to intrigue in. This series is my boot nosers job on the line. What is james harden gonna do. Hey joe. What's your favorite podcasts. Let me tell you why that'd be number two after you listen to mine three times a week. I'm gonna challenge you to keep up with me. As i discuss. Topics from the latest in technology and music. People getting dogs also get the very best analysis of the games. 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Hour 3: 4/9/19

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Hour 3: 4/9/19

"The Paul finebaum show podcast is brought to you by the new Capital One saver card. Earn four percent cashback on dining and entertainment two percent on grocery stores and one percent on all other purchases. What's in your wallet? Fried passion and patterns re of college football leaves Keer. The Paul finebaum show. Our three podcast another hour has dawned, and we appreciate you being with us. So we'll talk to John Adams a little bit later on. We've already talked to the new head basketball coach at Arkansas, Eric Muslim. And then the athlete director. He's not new but he hired new basketball coach yesterday. We were speaking, of course, about Scott Woodward. So busy star to the show. Now Scarborough on to tug of Loa atoms will join us from Knoxville on the new basketball women's coach not official yet, but speculating speculation rampant and Rick Barnes. Offering a backing up Brinks truck to his house to keep him for about five million. By the way, UCLA has made a higher. They hired Mick Cronin. From the university of Cincinnati. Let's get back to the calls and. Matt is from east, Tennessee, Matt and Kingsport. How are you? L going Paul McCall. Thank you very much. Yeah. I was just wanted to touch on the Rick Barnes situation a little bit. I know you went to school, Tennessee. How what was your opinion about the about them hire him or you know, keeping him I should say. Well, I think it was important to keep him. I don't know about all that went into it. But when you consider the job he's done. I try to think of what I would I would have done in Phillip Fulmer space. I would have probably done anything. I could right now to keep that program moving forward. And that's with Rick Barnes. The I don't fault them for keeping him. You know, the last thing that we won't Tennessee's another coaching. Search. I could tell you that that that that's the understatement of the year. He, but the thing that does I guess cost. I don't know if I would say concern. But definitely he doesn't have as much leeway. I think now is what he would have had with this big contract. I mean, he's been coaching for thirty two years. He's been the four Sweet Sixteen two elite eight to one final four and only has one postseason conference title ever. And that was with providence and nine out of the sixteen tournament appearances will take Paul he was defeated by lower seat start. How fake co I growth country right now, it may you made a great point. And and I think first of all we haven't heard from Rick Barnes. We've we've read the statement from Phillip Fulmer in that statement was the embodiment of Phillip Fulmer. I just heard Philip talking about it's been an interesting couple of days around here. I don't know how to interpret that relationship and Adams is going to be important and trying to better understand it when he joins us because you know, sometimes there you can walk out of there with with bad feelings. And and I would say Rick Barnes even after losing the game that many people felt like he should have one still had tremendous goodwill. Did he spend any of that by getting another? Million and a half dollars. In addition to what he was already making which was a significant amount of money. And I would I would say so I mean when you're making the money that he's making now get into the round two or just the Sweet Sixteen ain't gonna cut expectations are going to be your hire. And right. Well in I mean. John Kelly is being attack. And I mean, he is one national championship and been the what four or five other final fours. And you know, listen, I I try to respect people in our spec. Barns. But he's yet to prove to me he can get to a final four exactly out completely agree when you're making that kind of money expectations that are going to be hired. Coaches on that top ten highest paid lists. The resumes are lot more impressive than what he is. So you're right. The patients that he would have gotten before this contract extension is not going to be there. Tell me somebody tell me once in negotiation. He said there are times when you just can't milk the cow or whatever you're milking to the final drop leave it on that meal walk away. The key. A great negotiator told me he was a litigator say always walk away from a negotiation. When both sides feel pretty good. I'm willing to bet. Now, they may disagree publicly. I'm only gonna bit Phillip Fulmer doesn't feel that great about this negotiation. No, I say, you're probably wrap on I think that we were just in a rich Bartels and a tough spot because as you know, you know, coaching searches don't go so well round here. And there ain't there wasn't that many great coaches met his two I wouldn't know why Rick Barnes was seriously considering going to UCLA. You got me, especially the top person. He is. I just don't think that would have been a good fit outlet, you know, out there in Los Angeles. At all, you know, the way that our culture is it's just completely opposite from the top of person he is with his faith and everything of that nature. So I don't know either. And I think that it's not resonated. Well, with some fans, even you know, I think we're glad to have him still. But at the same time, the he's not loved in the same way that he was before. All this came about good point, by the way. Thank you for the call. There is some news on the Tennessee women's front. It is now official Kelly Harper. Has taken the job Phillip Fulmer just made the announcement at the nineteen ninety nine UT graduate and great players or she was Kellie jolly for those of you are wondering when did she play at at UT? She's now Kelly Harper she's agreed to a five year deal with an annual compensation of seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year. Rick Barnes, of course, agreeing to about a five million dollar year deal. Katherine is up next, Catherine. Go right ahead. Hi, paul. I just went to call. And thank you guys again for the great covers that you have given both the SEC tournament and the March madness at those in the, you know, they're in the station. And then all the interviews and things that he done I think he really helped to build the hype, you know, for us fans, and it's it's it's been awesome. I've seen some of the best basketball ever, the the rebounding the blocking and then the sportsmanship. I think with the teams is this been amazing. So I just wanted to tell you thank you, we've high school and college basketball so systems so much fun. I wish maybe offering could have gotten to the final two there. But and we'll never know, you know, if they'd had KiKi whether they could have gotten that far, but they certainly did good. And so many of the SEC teams did. So we really appreciate it. And thanks again. Thank you. By the way. We we have some a little bit of new information on Rick Barnes as well. He has spoken to Chris Lowe, and I'm going to try to read the statement with a straight face. And then we can talk about it. But Barnes said I believe here at the university of Tennessee with the way, our fan base has been since I've been here in the way, we've gotten it going. There's no reason we can't keep this thing going, but also take it to another level. Asked about why was he considering going to UCLA? It had nothing to do with Tennessee. I've been here for years and could never ever say enough about the way this university of the state and the ball nation has treated me. It was simply the lore of UCLA basketball. It was a remember those great teams and great players going back to Lucius Allen, Tommy Curtis, Lew Alcindor and Bill Walton, and I had a chance to spend some quality time with coach wooden. In his later years when I was able to go by and meet with him at his condo and go to lunch with him, by the way, he is now dead. So the way I look at UCLA basketball might be different than some people. Look at it now, but still in my mind like UCLA basketball job with something. I thought I had to look at now, I will tell you. I wanna get your opinion on that. But that is a utterly bizarre. Statement talking about a program that is now hired I think at six or seven choice at averaged under seven or eight thousand people this year compared to where he was I'll I'll keep quiet. I don't want. I want I want opinions here. I don't want my opinion to override anyone else's. But considering most people that are Tennessee fans. Don't even know the names that he just got through mentioning those are all names from the sixties and early seventies. Maybe in some fantasy world. Rick Barnes thought UCLA basketball was important. But but did that really answer the question about why he? Wanted to go to UCLA versus where he currently is which just had its best season in forty years. And and and how fan days thinking they could go to the final four and win the national championship. I don't know. I don't know at all. But I will go to Ricky next in Tennessee, Ricky good afternoon. We're doing great. Thank you very much. I enjoy your show when I was going on just a little bit. You know? About UCLA. I think it was the old history of them. I mean, you Latin really done anything they still there is some 'nigma about them. And I think that that was the I would think about it. But I wouldn't go out there to me weirdos for me. You know, I like it here in Tennessee. But I'm glad coach stayed. I coach Woolmer, and he always be coach for me. I I can't get used to saying athlete director. But I think he's doing a superb job toll far worse. I understand the the jury is out on everything. I can't I think coach Katy I think he'll do a good job. And what I like about her is I when I look at her I see a little pad enter now with she ever make coat summit. No there there never be another coach, Pat summitt. But I think that he can maybe lot of fire under these girls. And if he will bring in somebody that can have her do a good job recruiting and and Dakota these girls up, I think coach former going look good. I still think our football programs on the rise. I just think right now everything's looking better. And so I'm glad things went to away. They did. And I keep I enjoy your show. I think you do a good thing for the SEC and just. Keep it up, and I'm still taking that when you come through here in Lexington. I'm still wanting to fade you some barbecue at it'd just mail it in your mouth. Well, let's thank you for the invitation. And we will get that way. Shortly. Appreciate it again Kelly Harper, the new coach at Tennessee heard for the first public comments from Rick Barnes. We'll talk to John Adams here shortly about his interpretation of everything that went down. Lot of big orange talk here on a Tuesday afternoon. You're listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. Okay. Welcome back John Adams joining us. So we have just heard the first public comments from Rick Barnes talking about their great tradition of UCLA. Let's let's start there. John. Thank you very much. Glad you're with us. So how did the Rick Barnes to UCLA and ultimately ending up back where he started with more money? How is that playing in big orange country today? Well, I think there are a lot of fans that are really happy about him coming bad. Usually when when something happens with Tennessee involving coach they're just jaw. They're just gone. They get fired for they just take off and leave in the middle of the night like lane kiffin, you know, usually have this kind of go she ate going on fast break style. But it worked out for Tennessee. I mean, he's really really well liked Knoxville. And when he's when this was first announced there was some things on I announce at UCLA was considering a job. I think it created on social media. There's always a group of fans or Dennis. I will be like here he can leave that in. You are, you know, it's, you know, I'll insecure fans can be, you know, so they don't want anybody to ever leave even though UCLA is quite prestigious job that you could necessarily till it by this season steam, but I think it worked out fine for for Tennessee. I really think Rick born to looking for more appreciation not from the fans. He has great Laura relationships with the with the fans, but I think with the athletic director, Phillip Fulmer Fulmer didn't hire him. And he knows it former all about football former football coach. So yeah, he tells everybody that listen, it's his job to fix a football program. Well, it's also his job to keep good coaches around in the athlete department. He did that he met with Barnes. And I just think Barnes might have felt a little slighted plumbers. You know, not many days out there on a. Football practice, dressing, coaching Garbin, blowing a whistle it offensive line? You you just don't see that around every day in college sports. But so I think probably everybody should be happy. Now as always. I mean, you got a new contract what a year year and a half ago making a lot of money. I'm the building sold out. Great attention is paid. I mean is there anything other than foam IRS obvious affiliation with football that that would make Rick Barnes feel slighted? I'm really trying to get maybe pinpoint did something happen that maybe I don't I mean records didn't tell me this. But he received the Naismith national coach of the year award. It's it's quite a renowned award and fomer wasn't there. A usually I've been to those events when I was covering file fours in the AD is usually there with the coats that receives it if you know the guys in contention far, and I think he might have felt slighted by that Fulmer probably hit something else. You know? Maybe it's spring football practice that day. No. I mean. I'm not trying to defend Philip. But was he was possibly. He was also out looking for a women's basketball coach. Hello. Yeah. We're still here. John. Okay. We're going through the hills of Alabama right now. Sorry, you're you guys in Tennessee. Always wanna blame it on Alabama. Good. Hey, listen. So you think it could have been something? I heard that yesterday. Just I it troubled me that that was really a big deal. But then again, I've never received any great honors. So I wouldn't be wouldn't have to look around to see my colleagues were they're not. Well, I don't I don't think that would be the only thing certainly not. I just thank you to cumulation if they in informer constantly reminding people did to s- jogged football growth, right? I got it. And so that kind of doors everything else, and that is he does need to fix the football program. Obvious. One last question that John, and again, we're depending on other people like you to tell us it looks like the money was improved. Who knows what else was in the details. But was that a test really at fomer? It's listen, I just gave you new contract. What else do you want? Do you think that then it would have been more likely? He would have left. I think there's a chance he would have. I don't think he's just posturing. I think the UCLA chop hat was an attraction for him. He's he's old enough to remember when UCLA was dynasty injure on wooden was running the show. And it's certainly not that now. But you know, how it is. When you you experienced something that is a kid, and you experience that dynasty that looms large. It's like New York Yankees in base. I think. Yeah. From similar generations something that would affect me wouldn't affect the two dudes in the booth. Let's talk about the women's program because we've already had about six calls on that mixed bag on the official announcement of Kelly Harper coming home you follow this program pretty closely. Maybe more than you probably intended to this year. How would that one? Go over. Well, I think there'll be one segment of fan, which just love the fact that a lady dollars coming home. I mean, that's how there's a segment of the fan base that thinks that way and she was a popular player. She she helped her team win three national championships. Choose or surrounded by great players, and she was a point guard and a facilitator, and that's how a lot of people remember her. So they associate her with championships. There's another segment that will think well if you're gonna make this higher. Why you get rid of Holly Worley Ali Warlick, twenty four games a year went to the elite eight a few times, you're hiring in her place in other UT P UT point guard who did find it western Carolina and has done. Okay. At Missouri date just to team to the Sweet Sixteen but in our only power five conference job. She ended up getting fired at NC state after. Four years. I mean to me that's that really raises a red flag. I think this was a very limited search file, and then Tennessee wanted a woman it wanted a former lady vile and wanted somebody that wouldn't break the by they would have to pay too much money to. So that's what you get. So we'll see made it law workout. But I'll paper it doesn't look like a great Har. You mentioned a women's coach. And is that because of the respect and and indifference to Pat summitt or is that because of the recent comments from the Notre Dame coach about gender equality. No, I don't think it had anything to do with with month. It's comment. I just think it it had to do kind of with Tennessee's legacy. Obviously, there's a large proportion to the fan base is female. And Pat, some as you know, the tip and for women, not just basketball church women all over the world. And a lot of women look to hers Romo, and I think that factored into it. So you don't go after Jeff Walz at Louisville. So I really think was interested in the job. But even if you limit limited to women coaches, there are a lot of women coaches out there with really good record and have a better resume than Kelly. Harper does. So you're not limiting yourself that much when you say we wanna hire a one, but the win you when it looks like you wanna her next lady politics, Bata, speculation the Tennessee was. Terra Lawson never coached anything. But she's very good as a basketball analyst. She's really smart. And I think she's make a really good coach she just hadn't done it yet. And but she's also got a great career going, and I couldn't see her necessarily owning to leave that either because she's really good at her job with ESPN. So I just think it was very limited start and it ended up with the next lady. All this is kind of a crazy question for maybe the end of the bar, John. But let's play along with me for a second head Barnes left, which we know he didn't. Where would that coaching search of gone? Well. I think you know, what's behind. I think you know, what's behind the curtain here. No, that's almost curl. I think former would have probably just try to hire an ex lady Vall or. Just as over say, hey, how're you for the women's job? But how about these guys? We'll leave that for a lit- literally literally at the end of the bar conversation because it would have gotten pretty interesting, and you know, where I'm talking about and John thank you very much. We really appreciate you coming on. All these great for some information and occasionally laugh like we just had. Careful careful in Alabama. I don't know why you're there. If you if you're on a secret mission spying on on on Nick Sabin. But let but. Now, I'm on my way to point clear the Marriott resort there for. Well. I will tell you that is a beautiful place. You are you have good taste in in resorts. Thanks, paul. It's a great place down there. Two point clear, Alabama John Adams, joining us, be careful. He's going through Alabama. He didn't go to Tennessee. I think he's from Baton Rouge. So take that for the information. I I gave it to you with. Hey, wait. We think we know a lot more about this Hennessy situation. Glad Rick Barnes is they're not as over not as overly excited that some callers about Kelly Harper, we'll get back to your phone calls in a moment at eight five five four two seven two eight five. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Welcome back. Glad you're with us. Let's go to Rodney in Ohio as we continue here on Tuesday. Gerrad ahead writing. Rodney there. No, Rodney how about Ernie in Kingsport, Tennessee. Hello ernie. Welcome to the show. Thank you for taking. I want to. What does I don't understand vendor pills getting little brass drew and hiring? Who they hired. I mean, I just don't understand spec. Houses. Never I mean, he's toast in the league. But that's completely different than college. And the and the thing about I want to be a little on the deal Tennissee. Okay. Sure. Bet that four point seven million dollars bubbly equal who was they even in a half million out in California at least seven because of the cost of living. Absolutely. Right. Pretty amazing and another he's a good coach. But I think fourteen trips that takes us ten to relieve as one final four and no wins. Does that I tell them listen. I mean, he's he's a very good coach. He's well liked his NCWA record is certainly going to haunt him. If it doesn't improve. They coach in from what I gather a really good human being. Yeah, I'm trying to think of the highest paid coaches in the country, which let's see I'll try to maybe ask the guys in the other room to to help me with this. I know it's Celts purchase. If the and then him, he's not the third this coaching the Merck. Okay. Well, yeah. Don't go anywhere. I want to bring John in in marketing so Calipari. He's the third highest paid coach in America right now. I believe that is correct. The other two our Cal. And she chef shoshefsky has five national championships. Cal has one and Cal has been to what I'm trying to. Remember? He's been to one two three four five. He's been to six final fours. So Caldera's been into six final fours barges into one and she ski has won five national championships. I mean, I don't think we're really having a it's not a very for for what he's accomplished. No the money is not equitable. And yeah, hold on. I got the information. Now, she has been to twelve national championships and won five titles. Cows been to six and one one Barnes has been passed the Sweet Sixteen one time, and he's the third highest paid coach in the sport. I don't understand all I need to know about it. He is a very average tournament. Coach. He's he's a he's a good. He's a good regular season coach. But this is a tournaments Ford as you well know. And I mean, it it amazes me. So I guess even the you can look for the proof pearls of the world to get a raise. Well, they certainly deserve one. You're right. Hey, thanks for the call or an interesting point there that Austin is in New York, go right ahead. Funda? Austin you there. Hello. Yeah. We're here. Austin? Thank you. Thank you. I talked to you a couple years ago about Syracuse. You and I had a pretty good talk. Yeah. I'd like to know what you've seen. Fine rakes among. Cold basketball, salary cap the salary, by the way, is that CJ the dog. Yes. Did you what kind of dog? I like labs, by the way. Well, she's up here. Let me I gotta get away for far called it. That's okay. Listen, we got we got callers to bark. Now, we have dogs who bark. She hates me when I started hollering your basketball. I get excited. She just okay. So you're asking me about a bejon and his salary is that right? Yes. Yes. I'm I'm Ben with Syracuse for probably three to thirty years now big east and all in he still there, and he's he's only been there once for the title because of Anthony. But I think he's he's over. He's too old to be there now after watching. Well, he may he may he's been to five he's been the five final fours. He's won one title. You're right with Carmelo. He's he's seventy four years old. And he's been there since he's been there almost forty years hasn't. He. Forty two. I thought I think he's been there too long I self, but that's just an opinion. Yeah. That's that's what I'm saying. In after watching me. The the NCW Turner at this year. They hind his way out of his class. I all those teams are so quick in fast. And they're so well coq you know, I thought I thought couple. I thought I thought three years ago when he went to the final four he should have walked away. And now it looks like it's it's it's never it's going to be a bad ending for him. His teams are I mean, I know they beat Duke this year. But they they they're just they're always on the bubble. And that's the that's no way to live when you're VM bay Heim. Well, I understand why still there. Hey, by the way, I didn't think it a coach in waiting for a while. And then that blew up or I'm trying to remember if that was. Yeah. Hopkins have California eat bright. He was there for twenty years. And then he went to Washington. And now he's doing great at Washington. Yeah. Well, that's the problem in, and I I happen to know is f- wanted director used to be my boss at ESPN, and he's a pretty tough guy. And I'm sure it it's not easy getting rid of someone like that when they're still winning. But I think Syracuse can do better than Jim boeheim. Oh, yeah. And I compare into Calhoun and Connecticut. Yeah. Well, there's a difference at didn't win three titles. Yeah. Any left? He did it be sitting around with one title in Christie could be mayor of the since the city for listen. I I think it's I agree with you. Sometimes I I mean, I I it goes for a lot of people and people just don't really understand it. It's it's always difficult to to determine when it's when is a good time to go something, I think about a lot of times in in observing. What's that? Oh, Mark says it right now. I don't know if that means for my career or to a break, I'll take a chance on the break and come back with much much more to listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Welcome back. So glad you're with us. What's grab some calls and Ed age is not a factor with Ed. Sunshine is. Ed. Good afternoon. That's that's why is it. Beautiful day forgotten little river, Paul really will beautiful. And you you have the Bischel on TV, really, the thank you. And the that Remar statement that was just wouldn't retire to seventy five, you know. Now, I've got questions for you though. You you made a comment earlier about the is hard to follow legend. In your in your opinion, who was the best. Toast, ever follow a legend. Well, you know, you think about the I tell you the most what are the most successful was in basketball, Joe b hall following Adolph Rupp, which everyone thought it would be impossible and he struggled early on dealing with the pressure. But ultimately in one thousand nine hundred seventy eighty won the national championship. And I it took a tremendous burden. I mean, it was it was a it was a joyless season because everyone expected it and when they did was they were they were relieved as opposed joyous. You're you're good. You've you good. That's that's who I stay about. You know? Think about the same in in in basketball, the greatest coach ever is John wooden, gene Barco tickets place. And I got to know coach very well. And he went to the final four his first season and lost in the semi finals. And he basically got ran out of there the next year because he could not live up to that expectation where I covered Ray Perkins takeover for bear Bryant. I mean, he was a good coach. But he wasn't bear. Right. What do you think is fair? When one chance of Kentucky. Yeah. Everybody says well that was Patino team feels the, but that's not. That's not refers. They still wouldn't it. Right. Yeah. That that that probably is one of the saddest because he inherited a great team anything he wanted and he never got much credit for it. I it probably kept him there a few years longer than he probably should have been. But you know, I think I think the save in situation will be fascinating whatever whenever he walks away because it's going to be tough. Because I mean, he he's going to inherit a great team, whoever the person is, but he won't be Nick Sabin. Now, you won't that's that's going to be real tough, really tough. You know? I used to tell him McCall. Thank you, always always great to talk to you. Appreciate it very much. Chris is in Knoxville. Hey, Chris, how're you doing Paul? How are you? Oh, I were you. I am. Well, hope you are. I am. I am just wanted to comment about the re- Barnes conversation. That yet didn't have I think one of the aspects that you have not discussed yet is is I have respect for Barnes. I think he's measured. But he's more of a conservative guy. He's an older guy. He's not gonna wear motion sauce leave. He knows how the swan Lewis song. You know, he's always first class when he you know, presents himself. But one of the things I think he was I would say that he was fighting more for his program in in not not a personal way. I he's got you know, I mean just like Kentucky's doing with their football program Kentucky's basketball school, everybody in the world knows Kentucky's basketball shirl Tennessee's. Football school everybody in the world knows it. But he's trying to see perception he's trying to change the perception. I mean, you can't go out and recruit these five stars. You know, if you know, the athletic director ING them give you a raise. And so I kind of think that was his more motive than anything personal. I mean, you know, couple million dollars Knoxville goes a long way, and I don't think it was for personal gain. But more for the program. I think he is. If that is the case, then then he won the day because the on the biggest day of the year in college basketball. They the program got a lot of attention. And that was probably good for you to. Hey, thank you, very very much Lee is in Seattle. Hello lee. Hey hockey again. Thank you. Want to have had a couple of things you talked about I but regarding behind he looked terrible is coming in the season. But I think that accident did a little bit more damage him that he's probably bidding because he looks terrible. Who says can you imagine going through that? I can't. No, no. I mean, he handled it brilliantly. But I think I take it really took a toll on him. One of the reasons is I grew up in LA, and I grew up with that John wooden era. And you know, what report says he would like to try to make what it used to be. But that was just he have he's a said oddly, but that is an era gone by and Beth was not the same. And this basically, no coach, you know, the like John wooden is like Hollywood, you know, that's a era gone by. It's just never going to be the same. So many may come in there and do a good job. But that's just it's a whole different ballgame now, and then also you were talking about your older, callers and just real quickly wanted to tell you that. I watched the Verdy caveman. I I was really upset what Burt loss didn't mainly because we have. And I also saw that right before the ending of the game. You know, everybody off to court or to celebrate before they knew that they had locked. And so I just went back to that. That incident that the guy, you know, tried to hurt the trees, and then I listened to the podcast, and it kept going on two different things that it's talking about Pam it talked about your show. And then I remember the day that can be passed away win all your old callers called it. And if we're amazing I mean, everybody from you know, Jim and Kedah in school, and I am end. It. It was such a different thing to listen to that it just broke my heart. But it just wanted to tell you, you know, you do have a great show, and it might be evolving. Some but the heart of your people is really a wonderful thing. Yeah. Le-? I I'll say this about that. I mean, I think I think when things really matter of this show comes together maybe dysfunctional day to day. But that Friday is a day that I will never forget. And no one else will either it. It's it wasn't really the show. It was the people that that that represent what we do here. And that that's a day that I'll I'll be proud of to my last day on the show, and you you know, you took that last hour. I don't know how many, you know, people that do it you do. I don't think many people do it anyway. But you'd pick that last hour, and you completely dedicated to her and to your fans, and I think that was a really good start to some yearly that might still hurts hopes for me. I'm fairly new to this whole thing. So I just wanna throw that out there Lee. Thanks very much for up against the break. Another hour to go.

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The Curtain Call, Part 1:  Steelers Training Camp brings enthusiasm that cant be curbed

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The Curtain Call, Part 1: Steelers Training Camp brings enthusiasm that cant be curbed

"Support for this episode comes from t. Mobile we're a lot more than just baseball. Fans were baseball fanatics and thanks to t mobile. We can stay connected to the game we love with five and more places t. Mobile is your ticket to the game so whether your home or away. You're never far from your favorite team with america's largest and fastest five gene network. Don't get caught looking switch to t mobile. The leader and five g. today fastest according to open awards based on average speeds in usa five experience report able two thousand twenty one five device coverage and access details at t. mobile dot com pittsburgh steelers fans and it's time once again for another edition of the curtain. Call podcast my name. Is michael beck your deputy editor behind steel curtain dot com and i'm joined with by degrade film guru himself one. Mr jeffrey benedict jeffrey. How you tonight sir. Doing pretty good. Michael doing pretty good You know what. I'm also doing quite well because we have made it to training camp there is actual football going on. We got football. We got real football news every single day here until mid february i. It is beautiful. It is a good time to be a football fan. Great town steelers fan of Of course we got that extra week to prepare for the hall of fame game. We'll get into that a little bit today but of course theme of the show is basically breaking down training camp and looking at the steelers Perspective over the coming weeks we will have some guests from some other sites featuring some afc north team so we can kind of get prepared for our division and what we have to look out for. But tonight we'll kick things off with the steelers. And i'm pretty excited for it. So obviously camp has just opened up. They just put the pads on a day recording this wednesday night. Do you have any overall thoughts on the training camp of this far. I trade camp to me. It's it's mostly just the build up to the preseason man. I can't wait for the hall of fame game. I can't wait to start seeing these guys. hit other people in training camp. I mean you obviously. Obviously it's nice to know they're getting to it. It's nice to get some reports this year. Compared to last year of what's going on in training camp he actually you know fans there. You're able to get sunlight home video shop for people. Cellphones about stuff. But to me. I i don't know i don't know it's hard for me to get too excited for training camp and to read too much into it. I i i listen. Mostly what the coaches say what they're talking about But it is. It is nice. The the nicest thing i think in my opinion is just this training camp like actually happening right as opposed to last season where it was. Who knows what you know. Let's even going on behind closed doors and how much they're able to do and they were all separate in there. You're hearing all these rumors of stuff this this year. At least we're actually seeing it. So that's that's very nice. Yeah you're absolutely spot on with that One of the things i put in the in the bt se group chat today pitcher dirk with his family which is something that we didn't get last year Something else i saw before we went on today. Joe haden taking some self fees with fans in the stands just getting that interaction definitely something. I didn't realize i missed but just don aspect of sports is one of the great reasons why You can be a fan and learn a little bit about the athletes in overall getting the interact with them. I it so much better than just a i. I guess hit the play button on the tv. The power button. I guess i should say Come game day like a can grow with this team and we're getting almost a play by play report when it comes to training camp. I think even the reporters are bit antsy to get the information out and you know what. It's been a lot of fun because it even though i'm on the other side of the continent It feels like i'm right there in training camp with the amount of video and information that is coming out so from that sense. It's pretty exciting now. Speaking of the hall of fame game one of the kind of interesting kinda side notes with it. It's not that that's ever participated in the hall of fame. Game has actually won a championship and previous to this. That would mean you play five. Preseason games of course a preseason got chopped down three games meaning the steelers playing the regular four games. A big mix of numbers here but basically. Are you happy that this team is in the situation. having to play this game an extra preseason game on the horizon doesn't mean anything at all i like it. I think it's an advantage especially in this season where the training camp. They're cutting the preseason games down one. The steelers still get four Last year it was it was not going than have we didn't have a preseason and so it's nice and it's really beneficial especially following the season or we didn't have a preseason to have that extra preseason game to give guys that are on the bubble guys. The steelers signed a lot of them this year. They kind of got lost in the shuffle. Last year they signed brought by a guys in for camp. They're going to get to play. They're going to get to play in the preseason. They're going to get that shot to show. Hey you know what. Maybe i don't practice as well as that guy. But i play the game better than him and that is something. I think we really missed last season. I think a lot of guys fell through the cracks and fell off the radar simply because they didn't have those. I know no team has ever won. You know ever gone to the super bowl while after playing in the hall of fame game but until two thousand and five not ever been the succeed and you know and won the won the championship. Either so it's okay to do a different. You don't have to sit there and play the odds you can. You can go have rewind. It doesn't matter. This could be the first season zoe. Let's be the first team to play in the hall of fame game and when when the super bowl so speaking of the preseason Obviously it doesn't matter the famous owen. Sixteen teams of the detroit. Lions and cleveland. Browns both went four on the preseason seriously like the stats like none of that really matters at the end of the day but for those of us having lost a preseason game in what seven hundred days i suppose that's what we're going on now. What what do we need to look out for in these games. What's important for the fans watching first off. Preseason games wins and losses are often decided by players who will not be playing on the team like the fourth quarter is is often decides preseason games another guys are rarely rarely anyone in the fourth quarter gonna make an nfl roster or be any kind of impact player. But that's you know that's that's where you find out. Do we have players there. And that's the value of the preseason cheese and game. You're not looking really at. The starters are not even looking at veteran. Backups like tyson who who is usually considered a backup. He's not really a starter because he's the nose tackle and rarely on that out there on the first snap but we know what we're getting from him like no one needs to look inside. Is he going to be a player this year. We know what he is What we're looking for is guys who make a big leap guys who are making a big second year leap. We're looking for rookies. Come in and are ahead of the curve. We're looking for guys. Come out of nowhere to make a play to become a special teams player and maybe be something more and we missed that last season. I would've loved you know james pierre as good as he played in the little bit of stretchy guy if there was a preseason last year maybe he gets more than that. You know we've had players who come in and start the preseason at the bottom of the rostrum by the end of the preseason. They're like okay all right this. This dudes are number. Three white guys are like number three gardeners that you're you're somewhere on that list now and you're gonna get snapped. You're gonna get opportunity so for me. That's what you've got to watch for. You gotta watch for guys that you you don't know about what they're doing while especially watch if you see someone go off in the hall of fame game like you see someone. You've never heard have a phenomenal game in the hall of fame game. Watch what they do the necks james. Watch where they come in I remember twos are skipper. He was hot in the preseason a couple years ago and then the steelers put him in the second quarter like he went in when the backups. To the starters went in the legit roster guys went in and he absolutely disappeared and he played later when the other team took out their starters and put it in their scrubs and he started destroying. Everybody again and i was like. Oh you know. Maybe this guy's not that legit but so keep an eye on win a person place who they're playing against what they're doing but really the preseason is for looking out for those guys who's gonna surprise you and maybe you know be a be a guy who can be a small minor impact player on this team. I'm going to answer this next question. I give you an opportunity. Think of your own answer. Because i'm i may even steal what you're you're gonna originally think of but when it comes to this preseason what i'm most excited for is going to be what the late round draft picks of the twenty twenty class bring so not this current draft class last year because we really haven't watched carlos davis play a lot antoine brooks junior who follow means killing it and camp thus far and seems to be poised to take a run at that nickel corner spot. Heck anthony mcfarland in play too much a year ago and what we saw wasn't a great sample size if we're being honest with ourselves but when it comes to what. I'm really excited for over the next five weeks. It's kind of the steelers really have from last year's group as much as it is seeing what they have from this year's group of guys like you mentioned with james peer there's just so many question marks surrounding some of these guys that we really haven't watched play. Obviously the steelers had confidence in. Bring them into next season and of course all draft picks from last year made the team which is still somewhat of a rarity for for the steelers. Either six or seven th rounder. Going back really. The past decade plus at least one of the guys was getting acts at some point every single one of those guys that draft class last year made it who knows if a lack of preseason had something to do with that but each and every one of the made it and we're gonna be able to watch them play some real game action this year. So now i'll turn it over to you jeffrey. What are you most excited to watch in this. Preseason well i i honestly you you did steal what have been my answer That's why i especially want to mention. Carlos davis who who i again have to admit when they drafted him i went looked at his the basket feldman it was. It was almost embarrassing. But i saw this. Oh this is bad. i'll give the caveat. He was a shot put. Her and i was like he looks like he jumps out of his stance and comes to vertical and he loses all his leverage when he does that and and i thought at the time. Maybe maybe the steelers stink like his shot. Putting is wrecking his thing and they can fix that. He looked great when he played. He looked like a a solid player when he played during the season. I'm very excited to see what he brings. But to answer that separately from piggyback. On your on your answer. I'm gonna be looking for the guys that are new. The guys that are nfl guys but lower let not. They're not big names. Arthur millette watching his new york jets film. He looks like a terrible loss guy. He fits a lot of roles. The players play in this defensive backfield I think he's a really good signing. He could be a very solid signing for this team And so while. I know anthrax brooks listed ahead of him. I i honestly. I wonder if that's gonna stick. We'll see we'll see. I'm gonna love that watching those to play and see how they sort that out that your nickel if if antoine brooks can beat him out and be the nickel. I think that says huge things for this team's top for cornerbacks deck. I can step up and take it 'cause melendez as a solid player. He is a very solid dude. He's easily a lot of teams fifth. Best he's our number five defensive back a lot of lot of nfl teams so that'd be very good miles killebrew who played with tara lost in and was had an important rotational part role at as a safety as a block safety and doing some different roles in boston. Lawson's defense including playing some like dime linebacker type of roles. I'm interested in seeing what he's gonna do what he can he can. He can revitalize his career Some of these offensive linemen we signed and brought in. I'm very interested to see what they do. So as we get into the process of the preseason. It's going to be very interesting. To see these guys you know. Put themselves on the pecking order with their play and see where they were they were they can line up. 'cause i mean we know some things about the offensive line. We know some players are going to start. We know what the steelers want to have happened. But they're always guys who've surprise always guys who step up guys who aren't quite as good and that always shapes the roster and like you said every rookie made it last year and maybe you know a lack of preseason had something to do with it could've because we don't know who might have taken someone's job just didn't get that chance to take someone's job because i didn't get the preseason as a will that that's going to be fun to watch for to watch for those those under under under covered. Maybe they're they're. They're not as big a deal Signings that we did in the off season one or two of those are really good players can be a good solid rotational player. This team has said it has a lot more deaths and a lot more you know overall strikes to make it through this long season now before we get back to straight training camp stuff i do want to back it up because you brought up miles killebrew's name and one of the things that happened in the past week is the steelers drop their official first official depth chart within it. There's some there's a couple of interesting things but throughout the offseason and after the steelers signed miles killebrew he's been listed as a linebacker up until the depth chart was released when he was put back into a safety role. If correct me. If i'm wrong. But i'm pretty sure. Terrel austin was the guy pounding the table in detroit for them to draft mouse killebrew. Tarot austin leaves. They transitioned to be more of a dime backer. Type role killebrew's playing law as a safety in detroit under terrill austin used see some sort of role potentially where kill route could become on the field to kinda shift. Some guys around allow the other safeties to do perhaps some different things Could you really be maybe secret. Weapon underrated guy that we aren't really talking about or was this just Terra lawson getting his guy back from detroit and having him for some depth space in the special teams play when miles kill abreu was in detroit. He he played everything from dime linebacker to a a slot safety. Like the dime formation. He's he's in the slide but he's playing linebacker he's like he's there to cross people with tara austin he. He is kind of a in there. He's an athlete. He can do man coverage He is a good good tackler. I think he has a chance to be more of a fitting specific roles in specific defensive alignments and uncovered schemes Which which is which is a thing with tara austin how he moves people round. I thing i don't know. I look at it and this is one of the things i'm really excited to see is does he have something planned for miles killebrew or is this guy he was like. You know what this guy i think. He deserved better shot than he's got. So let's see if he can do it. Let's see if he can find. You know the growth that he should have made as a player but he wasn't able to. You know with with tear austin leaving that team. I don't know if it's just that kind of a shot and say hey you know he's at least on special teams player and let's see if he brings us more but i am very interested to see if terrorists has some some interesting designs for him and of course i'm saying tara tara lost in in my head. It has a specific role with steelers. That's not official. I know. I know keith. Butler is the defensive coordinator. And i've talked to some people who cover the team. Who are like i. I think you're a little crazy. But the coverage schemes and the defense how we do our secondary changed immensely. Since darrell austin came on board and some of the guys were picking up he just have. They look like players who fit what we're doing now whereas before we would just draft defensive backs and hope they can figure stuff out like it was really not. You didn't see a really organized. Plan their draft. Someone be like. Hopefully you work out in this defense and now it's it seems very much more like we're drafting players who play roles and do specific things that we want them to do that. He that show up in our our defense of coverage. So i'm very excited to see how he ends up being used on. I can't really. I can't really say how that's going to be. I can't even predicted but I expect it would be kind of the nickelback safety roll like the corner slash safety that they do with a lot of people. You know the mike helton role the they tried it with. It's patrick they tried to do a bit with terrell edmonds. They've they've done it with a lot of players. And i expect them to try him there and somewhere he's gonna fit him. Yeah he is a guy that is kind of an interesting question mark. Well basically everyone steeler sign prior to what the last two and a half months or two months really wanna comes to what they're going to bring to this team so so that will be a fun thing to watch but getting back to training camp itself. Here there's been a few names that have really kind of kind of risen to the top when it comes to the the best performers About a week into cap at this point of course we got pans on once again today. Altai smith is one of those guys that looks really big. Looks really fast. It's more confident. I see your eyes lighting up When i bring that up. Is there something you want to touch on with the altai smith. The looking extraordinarily Good this far into a training camp last season Alex smith reminded me of lawrence timmons. And larry foote when they were early in their careers. I remember seeing larry foote play and there would be like a you see him like shoot into the backfield on a play and you're like oh he's and he just just missed the running back right and the running back would go and gain some yards. He was constantly so close to making the play right but he wasn't there. He had all kinds of good film but no results lawrence. Tim as was the same way. He has stopped where you're sitting there going. Ooh wow like look with the guy just did but there wasn't the results like he wasn't actually getting the job done. He looked like he was about to do something. Great and then it didn't quite work out. He just missed it by small bit. And eventually those those players became guys who may not like fantastic playmakers. Larry flynt was very solid but they they came around. And you saw how that that like look of always. He's he's almost there turned into while. Okay the steelers have a good player. Here that's what else highsmith made me think of. Last year. he was ripping off incredible passer. Smooz he was getting great jumps off the snap. He's was doing a lot of things really well. And then at some point like it would kind of die off like was he didn't he didn't quite know how to finish. She had this much of planned out and maybe in college. That was enough but after you get that first great move. How do you finish How do you get the lines. Get that move off a little faster so that you cut that angle little bit smaller and tenth of a second year there. You're there a tenth of a second faster and it's a sack instead of ball thrown away. That's where alex smith left. Last season going into this season was was just a little bit off from being a playmaker and looking really good and looking like you had a lot of potential in what we're seeing right now is it. Looks like a guy who has made that. Step that step. And that's a big step to make. If you remember lamar woodley two thousand seven had four sacks and go and look what they did in two thousand eight. Why him in. James harrison did in two thousand eight a little bit of a difference. Little bit of a deal there. I'm thinking you could see that kind of a jump from alex. Highsmith where he goes from a guy who looked good but didn't produce much guy who's next on the opposite side of t. J. watt looks like an absolute stud. Yeah that would be huge for this team. If outside smith can step in and turns production around like that. Yeah you better watch out That starting do of him in. Tj walked would-be. electric mixing. Melvin ingram. Who by all reports Looks good According to himself he's good he feels like he's eighteen again apparently So so that is all very exciting. Of course outside smith the today that made some pretty good place on one on ones on backs on backers. And we'll speaking of that drill running back nausea harrison really all. All the steelers. Rookies are have been Getting a lot of praise The past week here in training camp nausea harris especially. He made a great block in that back on backers drill which kind of got a big reaction ben. Rothlisberger already pitchers them celebrating his block of surfaced. He caught a slant. Route on seven shots for touchdown over devon bush nausea harris. That has not been rothlisberger He threw the ball but he he wasn't wondering the route but again he hit a great day at a camp. There are some fans of him. Busting big run The six thousand strong there at heinz field erupted for that. are you excited for nausea harris. Because it seems like this guy is ready to go. He's already listened to starting running back. The seems like it's a pretty big deal that this guy is so ready to go in in every aspect of the game. Yes this this is a this is the big one. I mean really it is. It's the first round pick. It's can we save the running game and if the running game is all of a sudden good you know. How much better is the entire offense going to be so much writing on that. That the plays he's making are just getting everyone up because this isn't just oh we have a better running back. This is our offense could have the piece. It needs to be great right. This offense could be legitimately great that slant catchy made over devin bush. The way people describe it doesn't bush had him covered and he sealed off the past used his body to to get between him and devin bush and secured the catch. that's huge. That's that's that's what juju smith schuster made. His his rookie season was all about was was those kind of catches if he can do that. To devin bush. Then he's he's going to be a real real match up problem. One of the things. I've been doing is with my matt. Canada film the called Steelers offense and focus is looking at one of the things. I'm talking about right now and it is the h. Back role which is a hybrid. Like fullback tight end. They play they can go out in the slot. Receiver there blocker there. sometimes runner. The guy that best fits that role if you look at the blocking and pass catching side of it is nausea harris now. Obviously he's going to be the number one runner and in any matt. Canada offense that he ever run the number. One runner is the runner right. He is your tailback. he's not your age back. He's not going to go out there and be the receiver but this is also team. The had the belt that might change. You know he may change. He may become that kind of match up nightmare player. That matt canada can use to really make this offense. You know even even more than just. Hey the steelers have a running game now. It could be the. Ceo's have a running game and this guy's also like levy on bell level receiver But was probably low. More feed because fell wasn't fast. That's that's what we're kind of talking about. With ninety harris. The downside is this. Is i always look at because i'm a i'm a numbers guy to right. Yeah that's in my heart. i'm a. I'm a numbers guy. When players take a big step up in the number of repetitions. They're getting in the about playing time. They're getting the amount of hits. They're taking the amount of training. They're doing you see injuries now. The good news is not step to the nfl. He was in nfl conditioning. There like this guy's already. We're not worried about him stepping up. Nfl training because he's already been doing that. Level of training and college like he's crazy The question i have is he's we're talking about seventeen game season. People are predicted. Could break you know the rookie rushing records of this team can a serious contributor right off the bat if you look at the number of touches the amount of hits he was taking in college. It's not anything like of full. Nfl schedule where you are the number one guy. So the one concern. I have with najji. And this is what has kept me from being too gushing about him his entire time since we drafted him is the idea that you don't want to put this guy in there from the start. Haven't touched the ball. You know twenty five thirty times a game tat and taking these heads because he's a dude who invites contact. They talked about that he would. He did a block. he wasn't satisfied with it. He stayed on and motion for them to send someone else. Send it you know. let's do ya. And mike tomlin loves that. They'll love that. They love a guy who invites that kind of contact. Who wants to be the big dog in any match of two guys heading. But that's that's what we have to watch with him. That's the thing that has to be watched because you don't wanna lose him. We thirteen right. You don't want it to be. The steelers are on path to being the juggernaut team heading into the playoffs in the nausea harris. Goes down with an with an injury and he's never the same player or some some horrible thing like that. Knock on wood talking about this But that's that's my concern with him. I i am so desperately watching to see any other running back any running back on the. Ceo's i don't care who they are. I've got no favorites here. Anybody that will put them in a position to say okay. We can monitor najji harasses touches and we can let antic farland benny style. I don't care jalen samuels. whoever it is. Go out there and run and we'll be okay and is he can. Can you know be reserved a little bit of seventeen games. Lot before we flip over the second half of the show there is one more name. I wanna touch on. Because we've got through two of the darlings of the early portion of training camp and highsmith and nausea harris. The third name has been getting a ton of praise is pat fryer The steelers second round. Pick out of penn state Up until today. he's just been a receiver amd before they put pads on. He's been catching everything. Spectacular one handed catches. He's dropping to toews in the end zone maintaining possession of the ball scoring points. He's been doing it all in the receiving game. Mike tomlin's been chirping. Adam saying we know you can catch but can you block. And then today. They put the pads on and on the guys. Apparently he's stoned in a drills. Alto highsmith one of the steelers darlington. Camp pat firm youth has been answering the bell so much so i had to write a story on it. Now will be dropping four you moreover behind the steel curtain dot com. But jeffrey and i'm curious your thoughts on pat firm us whether or not you expected him to be living So far up to expect. I guess at this point. He's kind of passing any expectation that we have from the second round. Pick of a tight end before we even make it to these preseason games yeah i love it i love it because again. I can't offense. I'm going to go back to that every time A lot of times he uses tight ends as your h. Back where you're a blocker you're doing creatively different things. Not just in line all the time. You're not just in line or in the slot. You're in the backfield. You're doing all kinds of stuff Against when he would pin upset clemson. It was basically they're run game was pitches to it was either james connor or a shovel pass to their tight end path. Fryer moves with his pass catching he's showing if he is a match up problem and this is something i will say a lot. Matchup problems He's a matchup problem as a receiver and he's also can block and he can do some creative things and we're seeing. He's a flu. He's a pretty fluid athlete. He's got some he's got some good athleticism there he he can be another one of those weapons. That is just really hard for defenses to match up with. And that's like like when i hear what i see them doing these things i see. I see fire move going off. All i can think of his plays where like you start with like dodgy harrison the backfield and you motion him out too wide receiver and teams have to account for that. Because he's actually good and he's a threat out there and he's already cover and then you have like pat fire tight end and everyone's like oh crap okay. Now they're cleared out not running the ball and you get like some little shovel. Fire moves up the middle or the linebackers to clear out. 'cause they're out they're worried about you. Know what's what's your hair is going to bring the addition of fire a weapon would make our two tight end sets really really. Dangerous allows if nausea harrison is gonna show versatility that that makes that bigger deal. I mean if you can go out there with two tight end set and say you know eric. Bronze solid locker apparently convinced that blocking his important now he saw the light and he's been converted to a blocking tight end. At least at least saying the right things right. So he's he's willing to really buy into being able to block and being a good blocker and pat fire was disabled block. And they're both receiving threats. And you've got harris as you're running back and all of a sudden you just come out like that and the other team has to counter understanding that. Okay we got. We got two tight ends. You can block linebackers right and we got a running back through causes trouble. You just go five white and you're like we've got a bunch of tall fast guys and we gotta running back. Who can catch. That's that's the kind of of a mismatch. Nightmares nightmares for defenses. They would make the steelers offense especially under mac. Candida incredibly tough to defend. Because of how candidate uses people creatively so for me. Kaffir moose of his own accord is nice. The hearing that but when you hear in conjunction with nausea harris in conjunction with eric brown apparently deciding blocking important. This offense really has that chance. You're seeing the window like the percentages of. Maybe this offense could be what we hope. It is. the chance that that's actually going to happen is higher than than that. It's been and it's incredibly exciting. Yeah you're spot on with all of that. Jeffrey I'm i'm way more excited for this offense With with these reports of how especially the rookies how good they've looked even kendra green. I realized he fumbled a snap today. And then the next play almost shot one over ben's but he caught it ben. Ben pretty good catching wild snaps. Because i wanna see markey's pouncey was not a very good at snapping the ball and shotgun. I if you look back and scurr there'd be way more. Fumbles if number. Seven wasn't back there behind him catching him. All bent bend. 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The Orange and Black Insider Bengals podcast: Here, fish-fishy

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The Orange and Black Insider Bengals podcast: Here, fish-fishy

"One going into because with the orange black set bagels podcast, and we are so happy to have you with us. It's a huge, huge week in the AFC. An few matchups are as big as the Cincinnati Bengals in Miami Dolphins. Can you believe it going into the season? So many people thought that both these teams be dumpster fires. And yet somehow these teams are both starting off at three. In one the Bengals coming off, a thrilling, thrilling win against the Atlanta Falcons in Atlanta. One point win. We'll talk about that. We'll get your questions on the air little bit later and talk about some other things about the Bengals and they're three in one start. I'm joined by my usual co host John here in John. How are you as your has your heart rate slowed? Since since Sunday. I gotta tell you that that game was one of the most frustrating at fun games I've seen as you know, from Bengals perspective awhile. Yeah. Yeah. It was a unique experience watching it because not only deny expect the Bengals to win a game like that. You're also watching the falcons who are used to losing game like that. Suicide blow it and for once a falcon kind of being personally. So that was fun to see. Yeah, it's, it's really funny. We had Gina Thomas on last week from Espy nation. She she talked about the twenty eight to three thing in her dating a patriots fan in all of that and how she gets a lot of Gulf about that. Speaking of the patriots and the AFC east. We're gonna get to a lot of other topics that I mentioned earlier a little bit later in the show, but we are going to talk about the big matchup between the two, three in one teams, the dolphins in the Bengals in Cincinnati this Sunday. Bryan canton's are with the Finsider and their podcasts there. How are you sir? Doing good guys. Thanks for having me on good. Yeah, glee. Glad. You're glad you're with us before. We kind of dive into the questions in the inside and all of that teller listeners how to, at least for this week and maybe even the playoffs who knows maybe seems face each other in the place. Tell our listeners how to how they can get in touch with you and your content of the fence. Eiter. That good stuff. Yeah, right. So we are podcast is on the fence, I'd and we focus year round on dolphins, previews, dolphins, grades afterward, doing a lot of things you guys are doing for the Bengals. You can find us on Twitter on the fence. I n t h e f I n sl and you can file me personally Ryan, cat thirteen. And you can also find my co-host Paul Pickin as well on Twitter. Awesome will thanks again for having having made the time to be on the show and for. For those who do not know our colleague, Rebecca toback was just on their podcast. So definitely check out their podcast. Rebecca's appearance on that this week. I'm just gonna start off. I usually just start off, I guess with the obvious stuff Brian. And I'm going to start off with the quarterback and few quarterbacks. You starting quarterbacks in the NFL for differing reasons, have had as much criticism come their way than Andy, Dalton, Ryan, tannehill, Ryan tannehill by at least an outsider perspective, like myself has played well. And I saw statistic recently that he's ten in one in his last eleven starts, but he's been injured. He's been in Wina who knows when those eleven have those eleven starts really come in the last eleven straight games. I don't think so. I don't know your take on Ryan a hill and how he's been playing this year. We'll tannehill dating back to two thousand sixteen kinda, like you said, has been ten and two in the last. Twelve straight games. Obviously, tenant one before they got doubt by the patriots last week and he and Dalton have been kind of similar situations where you kinda think maybe there's something better out there at certain points. Maybe there's a quarterback in take them to the promised land. Maybe they're not on the roster, but I think Dalton's done a lot better over the last several years. Then Tanna hell you know, right. Tannehill has never played in a playoff game. They were on the way there in two thousand sixteen with tannahill. But then he toys ACL in two thousand sixteen tours ACL in two thousand seventeen again. And this year in the first three games of the year l. at a quarterback rating of one hundred twenty one point six on a three, not this past week against the patriots. It was a complete team loss, but specifically tannehill look, terrible Amini. He has the ability now to adjust an audible like he didn't have a few years ago and. Patriots were showing six and seven defensive back looks the entire time and he was sticking with plays that we're not working. You know when he should've audible into a run, he didn't and it was not a good situation. Tannehill was eleven for twenty. One hundred yards was benched Brock Osweiler at the beginning of the fourth quarter, so bad outing there. But overall, we're pleased with tannehill unwary where he is right now. But the reality is the dolphins started the season three. No, if they fish tale down to seven or eight Wednesday and the season, the dolphins probably will be looking for new quarterback at the end of the year, love the love, the pun there. Fishtail good stuff. That's the way that's what we do it on this show. Just a follow. Quick follow up question on. The loss to the patriots. Obviously started three, no, you lose to the patriots. You mentioned it was just kind of a massive in after noon for the dolphins. A little bit New England started one into was this was this more of a, it's the patriots. They had their backs against the wall Bill bell check, Tom Brady, and it was just their week or was it more like, oh, they expose them things of the dolphins little bit both. What your take the dolphins better, not be as bad as they showed last week because there was thirty eight to nothing at the beginning, the fourth quarter, and if the patriots had kept their foot on the gas, it could have been fifty two to nothing. I mean, just a complete team loss, and the maddening thing is the dolphins had the opportunity to put the patriots at one in three in that it would have been the first time. They were two games under five hundred since two thousand one, you know. So they had that chance. Now the patriots are two into Julian element comes back, Josh Gordon gets traded forward. He. It's more acclimated into the system. I'm actually looking up here and the patriots are already up. Some did nothing on the colts in the first couple of minutes. So it was a big wasted opportunity. But the more disheartening thing was the dolphins didn't even show up on that day. So the hope for my perspective is they show up angry and they take advantage of Samachar against the Bengals and they squeak out a close win. Yeah. So about that game against the Bengals so forth before weeks, they haven't been without their best linebacker in one of their best run vendors advances. Perfect. He's coming back specifically focusing with the running game. A lot of people had high expectations for Kenyan Drake, your third year back out of Alabama and how he was kinda going to overtake mitt, maybe not completely, but takeover the lion's share over a veteran and Frank gore and now can Drake has been really spleen snaps and carries with gore and hasn't had much success. What are your thoughts on Drake's? Lack of progression is just more of the injured adjusted has decreased offensive line blocking upfront or maybe just more something to do specifically with Drake. You know, I think it's a lot of things. The offensive line is one. The play calling in the play. Design has been atrocious and Kenyan Drake has gotten eight carries for six yards in the last two games. There's no excuse for any of that. And it's a shame because when you look at the last nine games of last year after the dolphins straight aja Drake at eight hundred fifty one total yards in those nine games was one of the most productive backs in the league. So Drake is still young. Maybe he wasn't ready for the spotlight like we thought he was because Frank gore, last couple of weeks has been getting more carries and gay singled out gore as the only one in that game that really played well. So in this matchup here, you're probably going to see fifty fifty there as the dolphins continued to try to get Drake more and more involved in the offense. But it's been by far the biggest disappointment of the year for the dolphins. Talk with Brian, canton czar of defense, Eiter and their podcast over there within the SP nation network, Brian, you know, I, it's a good segue from what John said, what you're talking about the running back -sition really over the last year year in a half, you had a giant on Jarvis Landry leaves Miami, you know, I Don a consumer that that didn't work out there. He ended up leaving the team as well. Yet this team is three in one and and you look within the division, the Buffalo Bills, ten had a fire sale of their own this last off season, and it's completely gone the other way for them. So what's kinda difference between the bills and the dolphins in his this player, attrition, if you will, and they're starting out three and one of the first quarter of the season. The first thing is the dolphins have significantly more towns roster than the bills and. It's not saying much. I mean, the bills. I don't think are very good team at all, and they've got Josh Allen a quarterback or they're continuing to try to improve. But you know, in down consumer as a big loss at defensive tackle, he was a dominant player. Did he live up to the contract over the last few years? No, but the dolphins felt that defensive tackle with Akeem Spence Davin. Gotcha. And Vincent Taylor and up till few days ago. Jordan Phillips that they had a good rotation to supplant sue in the first three games that looked like a good idea. Then they got gashed one hundred seventy yards last game against the patriots row, run offense offense. Mike pouncey. I didn't view as a loss at all. I thought he was an overrated player for several years with a lot of people don't knows even though he played sixteen games last year, he barely practiced which interrupted lack continuity in the middle of line wide receiver. Look, you won't meet a dolphins fan that didn't love Jarvis Landry except maybe toward. The end. But the reality is Landry was a well that the dolphins continued and continued to go back to and they were running this offense where it was seven, eight nine yards per catch each time. And that was limiting the amount of points they were putting on the board. So that's not Landry's fall, but it was just something they kept going back to and it wasn't working overall for the offense. Even though he was a great player with them. So they got Danny 'em in dole, they got Albert Wilson, they're able to spread the field out a little bit more so that benefited the dolphins in the first three games. But obviously the passing game did sputter last week against England. So he talked about all those players all big name players. Really, you know, departing from the organization now just the just the casuarina fan may not know most of the dolphins roster, but this clearly some young town on there because he said anybody, two is considered more talented than those at this point. So who or maybe a couple of names that Bengals fans should be. You know, before this game happens, so they're not surprised when they when they play well against them? Yeah. I mean, I think that a lot of even knowledgeable NFL fans don't allow the dolphins roster. They don't have a lot of big names out there. They're number one receivers, Kenny stills, obviously, and but the rest of it you can rotate in and out every week, devante Parker a huge disappointment, but does have talent, but the big name that a lot of people haven't heard of unless you catch sportscenter occasionally is Jiechi grant, and he is a player that came out at Texas Tech. A few years ago runs a four, two. Two and you look at the last but six or seven games dating back to last year against Kansas City light near. He had one hundred yard game. He had a huge game on Monday night football against Malcolm Butler, and then this year against the raiders that brought the dolphins to three. Now he catches two touchdown passes at the end. The most frustrating thing for dolphins fancies not on the field more. I think that it's not in huge exaggeration that this guy could be tyreek hill type if they give him more opportunities for that. So somebody that can break the game open in the second would be Juki grant. He's the one Bengals fan should probably keep an eye on number nineteen. Talking to Brian canton's RO of the Finsider and the is it up up the what's the name of the podcast get with the thin in there. That's a lot of confusion with the names. It's gone, thin. John. Get that a lot of there's actually a thin cider podcast too, so, okay. That leads a lot more confusion to. Okay. Awesome. Awesome. Well, I wanted to bring this up in before we get your prediction in some other things about Sunday. The bangel 's believe it or not have kinda in the Marvin Lewis era. They've kind of had a little bit of trouble with the Miami Dolphins. They're three and three. The the worst stretch being from twenty ten through twenty thirteen where they lost Rena row. They did win a couple of years ago on Thursday night football. Is that anything that you know we can't take stock in? You know, sometimes teams just have met their match up numbers, I guess, against another team. Is this a team you think that can give the Bengals fits based on the Bengals defense giving up twenty eight points game the offense having to rally late sometimes to get these winds can how do you kinda see this plane out it in historically yet they had a lot dolphins had a lot of success. Know two thousand ten to two thousand thirteen, but in the Adam gay, Sarah, they're dolphins are all in one against the Bengals and I've always referred to that Thursday night game twenty two, seven as one of the worst performances the dolphins have had in the Adam gays air. I mean that was twenty two to seven, but I think the Bengals kicked like nineteen field goals. Driving down the field? It was. It was more convincing than that. I mean, the dolphins could not move the ball against the Bengals a couple years ago. Obviously, the teams have changed a lot, you know, kind of looking at the match ups. I think from what I saw on tape with the Bengals is offensive. -ly obviously, you lost Tyler. I for for the year. That's going to hurt a little bit, and you're too big receivers are number one, AJ green number two, Tyler Boyd the dolphins personnel wise match up well with that if they can have exactly and Howard one on one against AJ green and make if it's Patrick in the slot against Tyler Boyd, I think that they could have some good matchups there. I'm not saying the dolphins would win those matchups, but I think it's our two best defensive backs against your two best receivers and the dolphins from that point can force your other tight ends like CJ Amoah. I'm not sure if I'm saying that right. And if he for the game, so their strategy should be to make everybody except AJ. Green entirely boy, try to beat them so that could work out well. But I still look at the Bengals this year and thirty one and a half points game in their first four games. So they're moving the ball offensively and they've had a lot of really good weapons to and they get Joe mix and back this week, I believe so, yeah, I think that it's a pretty good match, but I still give the advantage to the Bengals offense because they've been so good here defensively, you know, the Bengals is you know, of let up sixty seven points in the last two games. You know, Christian McCaffrey had that huge game running the football, so could be an opportunity for Kenyan Drake to get back on track. But you know, it's kind of the opposite of the other side of the ball where the dolphins offense was so bad last week, and the Bengals defense hasn't been too good. The last two weeks. You know what they need to do ofensive Lii is get Kenyan Drake involved early because if that happens, it's going to open up the passing game a lot more. But if Kenyan Drake goes in there and averages less than a yard, a Kerry. Needless to say, the dolphins are going to be very one dimensional too. Yeah, it may may come down to which coordinator in which coaching staff has made the proper Justice from latte from last week or the last couple of weeks based on some of those the tissue throughout their before we get you out of your Brian, what is the? What is your prediction of this game as the two, three in one teams square off Paul Brown stadium in. I'm not just saying this because it's Bengals podcast that after we got off the phone with Rebecca yesterday pollen, I did our own prediction show too. I, the dolphins going down twenty seven to seventeen. You know, the Bengals look like the team from a couple years ago to me that are better along the offensive line. I mean, I know they probably haven't been great this year, but at least you don't have Jake Fisher and Cedric boy. Anymore. So. I think it's better and they look more like that. You know ten to twelve win team that's going to get into the playoffs as opposed to the five and eleven team. We saw last year. So if the dolphins can pull off an upset, it'd be huge because their next four games are winnable, but I see him struggling still here for another week. I'm gonna tell you this. I think obviously this game should doesn't. And I guess mostly because it's on the home turf should favor the Bengals but given how they've won games this year, given the amount of points that the Bengals defense is has given up, I would expect this still be a pretty close one regardless because that has been kind of m, oh, they've watch. They walked a fine line this so far this first month, but should be entertaining game to good teams in maybe not surprising from our perspectives. But from the national perspective, maybe it's a little surprising. Both these teams three in one, Brian, enjoy the game on Sunday. Enjoy the game. I know we usually record on Wednesday night, Thursday nights, not our norm because we don't like to interfere with Thursday night football, but go watch your division rivals, hopefully lose and you know, have a good rest of the weekend. Join. Got one more bone to pick with you guys here. Okay. Wrangles fans. I hope no Bengal former Bengals defensive coordinators ever our defensive coordinator again, we've had. Kevin, Coyle Vance, Joseph. I don't know how Joseph got head coaching job and now Matt Burke. I mean, this idea of abs- rice. Now, just let the receiver catch the pass and hopefully drops it. That's basically the philosophy of their defense. So hopefully we get defensive coordinator in here in the future that believes in completing less than seventy percent of their passes. But. So, yeah, it's, I mean, Matt Burke better than Kevin Coyle was, but man. Oh man, the I, I appreciate you bringing that up because that was just a brain fart on my end. I totally forgot. So he started saying Macau. That's right. All these guys coached there. I totally forgot it. At least Burke is raw and he has the potential and he's got some personality. So he's the most promising the three that we've had over all. It hasn't been good. Yeah. I guess there's this weird love triangle between the Bengals, the bills dolphins, the players, coaches, and all this stuff. Over the past couple of years. It's been a big thing, a hate triangle for me. Me on you guys enjoy the game on Sunday and yeah, let's have a good game. And yeah, if ever I can be on again and be helpful, give me a call. Okay, would love that. Thanks. I appreciate you coming on next. That was Brian cans are with the Finsider and. Up the up defend center. I gosh, I it is up to her up defense. Yeah. There's a preposition there that keep I wanna say on the inside or up to insider, but check out his stuff Rawson great knowledge. And we are very stoked, did he was able to join us? That was awesome. 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We are on there and get our program. John. We, we started with. Brian to talk about this coming week. Let's let's turn back the clock a little bit, and let's go to last week transient. That's right. That's kind of how we haven't been doing it. There is so much today jest in this game. I, I don't even really know where to begin. Like I said, it's I wasn't even a tale of two halves really minute guess. It kinda was a lot of points in the first half, not as many the second, but still a lot of back and forth. Gosh, I guess we'll start with fence the Bengals offense. Number one. The receiving trio and I I wanted, I guess, especially highlight yes. AJ green because he had the game winning touchdown. I think we know at this point who AJ is clutch player. You know, he was kind of quiet throughout some of the game in Kim up, big towards the end. But Tyler Boyd eleven catches one hundred yards. I had counted on that last drive. Four catches of his eleven on the day on that last drive alone. All for four first downs and two were on third down and to are on fourth down. If you can catch up with that basing leash or I down catches and they were either on third down fourth down on that final drive alone. And then there's John Ross guy who was raked over the coals for an entire week, hurt his name. You know, whatever. Yes, he, of course pulled his Hampshire is growing during place, but great touchdown reception were it showed the speed in what he can do rate reception on silent with the toe tap. I kinda wanna highlight those guys I because I thought it was a great outing by those guys, especially with offer now at a lineup, all that kind of stuff. Your. Thoughts on those three and the growth of the group. As we now headed into second month of the season, it was like a one back in time to like two thousand five or six. And I watched the Bengals offense with pushman zodda and Chris Henry again, it was it was very reminiscent of those two in how they excelled in where they excel in the offense in the structure because he had Boyd who we've always known as just a great runner. You know, reliable hands, but never quite all pulled it all together until these last three or four games in this stretch. And he had a tough match with the various cornerback in Desmond drew who's played him the slot? Yes, the bagels win a. When a very close one against the falcons as as we said in really the wide receivers showed a big, especially Tyler Boyd, John Ross short showed a big jump in production and maturity in all of that. John Ross was very impressed with and not just because of the plays. He made using his speed on the touchdown and all that, but really just kinda bouncing back from. Bouncing back from a really rough week in a rough outing against Carolina. A lot of people were trade him and get rid of him and see, you know. I, you know, you gotta respect the guy for coming back bouncing back in. Yeah, only had two catches, but they were to very big catches. And you know, once that had had big impacts on the game, you look at Tyler boy mentioned the eleven catches for hundred yards. No touchdowns but just chain move after chain, move after chain move just first downs galore. Really nice outlet for Andy, Dalton, and I almost see him as kind of funny seeing the haunted city on the other side of the field making making plays. He had quite a few big plays against the Bengals. I almost see. Boyd as a Muhammed sununu in a Marvin Jones body, if that makes sense. I see him as. You know, a guy who has a little bit more more speed shifting in Wibble Joan because he's a little leaner than Muhammad's new, but he's got the hands in route running skills in ability to move the chains like sununu did and does did for the bangles and does for the falcons. I was very pleased with him and then you've got Asia green who you know made up of place here and they're of disappeared out of the game for the little bit. And then you know when he had to what would have been a go ahead touchdown, but it got a gated by it got negated by a kind of a. Pretty weak. Hamster, the face penalty to Bob body heart. So that the bagels settled for people there and then you know, when it mattered most, you just kinda fit. You had a feeling on that last drive. And initially it was like, what? Because the bagels on that last rep got put into. You know, bad situation, big hole after Bigelow after big whole terms of penalties, Dalton was getting pressured. And you know there was that situation where look like it was maybe a fumble and the game was over, but his arms going forward. You know, you kinda just started to feel I, hey, maybe they aren't able to do this. Maybe maybe they can't clawback in and get it. This is a very improbable situation. One that you know. You don't envy. You don't envy the offense to be in that position, but that. That's where they were. They had their backs pinned against the wall. They came through and day. You know, last, I think it was what six second seven seconds left on the clock. When went through that throw. I wanna say this. If you have the other angle of that play meeting the end zone out angle of the Jagran catch at the end of end of the if you have not seen that, I recommend you do so because. For me that really shows not only the speed of the game. Not only shows the reaction in the skill set of these pro players. Just, I mean, you see above and it. It seems to develop slower when you see the kind of the more bird's eye view. But when you see it that way, it's very interesting. And then you also see really the window that Dalton fit that football land to get it to to AJ green look like, you know, you know, he was opened by a couple of steps and all of that, but the the corner that kinda jumped the route underneath and extended. His has really looked like a very, very close play and much closer than I would have expected. And seeing it on actual television. So. Thank. I think this was kind of a signature win for the Bengals. I think that. This was this was a win. You know, we talked about this on this on this podcast in the past couple of weeks if the Bengals can get into. Or get out of this first month, I guess I should say three in one record. In granted, two of those were out of conference wins, but if they if they excuse me, one was out of conference win two out of conference gains only one was a divisional game, but still if you could get out of that first month three in the wine where you've got a winnable game coming up at saying that the dolphins doormats is that's the case. If you can get there at three. In one, you have a winnable game against the dolphins. You have a winnable game against the Steelers who have not looked themselves of late coming up, and then all of a sudden you can start writing this momentum low bit. I think that it's a. It's a good start to the season for the Bengals. I think it's a lot better than to in to even if the Bengals had just barely lost the in a similar fashion at the falcons lost. You know, even if it was that kind of situation, I think you'd still be feeling pretty good about the Bengals three in one start in what. What happened with that. The one thing I wanna say. Cincinnati's we can talk about the receivers, all that kind of stuff. We can talk about some some line play, which we will do in a minute. Hope that John Sharon rejoins us here. Any dome we can sit here and say, Andy, Dalton is, you know, we've he's been raked over the coals over the past really entire career, not winning big games, all that kind of stuff. We thought we saw a little bit of a different, Andy, Dalton in twenty fifteen. But you know, I think when the team started what eight now or six now what have you? They had a primetime game in Andy. Dalton did not play well. Then you know you had those murmurs again in the banks kind of caught some momentum. Vinnie hurt, wasn't able to finish out the season from there and. From from there, you know the bangles. Stuck with him for better for worse road out to kind of subpar seasons. And a lot of people were clamoring for some quarterbacks in this year's draft. Well, what's happened since at least in the first month of this season, Dalton, his been throwing multiple touchdowns every game. He has to three hundred yard passing games. The Bengals three in one got essentially to come from behind wins. One really is on his shoulder in the in the Atlanta game. Yet the Indianapolis game, the defense came up and you know. Kinda came through at the end there. But I mean, still this guy he gets he gets done. He's been getting it done in there. Just seems to be a more comfortably in the in his. In this offense. I think part of that has to do with, you know, he has now, unfortunately only two, but he had three very able tight ends. He had two very capable running backs in mix in NGO. Now, Walton showed some nice things as well this past Sunday, but and then he's got the trio of wide receivers as well. So obviously, that makes them comfortable little bit of improvement on the offensive line from the previous years. All of a sudden, you know, he kind of looks like a different guy. So I think you gotta give Dalton where credit is due, and I think, you know, I don't know if he's going to be able to sustain that success throughout the rest of the year. But I think that it it's definitely, you know, it's definitely a step in the right direction. He's playing some of the best football we've seen, especially since twenty fifteen. And that's a big reason why the Bengals are three in one. There's a lot to take away from this Bengals win over the falcons, and there's a lot to lot to be positive about as as things are going going forward here. I think some of the bigger takes takeaways of this game aside from the fact that this offense can score frequently, they can keep this team in every game just about that they play. I think it is. I think it's imperative to kind of look at it and say, you know, the resiliency factor of this team, the fact that they can come back in a lot of different adverse type of games. Ever situations come back and Chan. Grab a win. And I think Annapolis show that I think Atlanta showed that obviously the got off to the hot start against Baltimore, which is big in which was a big relief. You know, I think that. There is there are some concerns on the horizon as well. And I think that unfortunately, those concerns are viable concerns in it's really concerns about the stain, ability of the Cincinnati bangles in twenty eighteen in their ability to win. I think that you know, you gotta look at. We mentioned this when Brian was on the show earlier, you gotta look at. When the Bengals defense is giving up twenty eight points game. On average so far this year, the first week, the grabbed two turnovers. Second week. I think they had three. The week week three against the Panthers. No, turnovers forced in. They threw four interceptions in this week. They're, they're minus in the turnover ratio. Again, it's just at that worries me about the sustainability, the long term sustainability of the Bengals, how they can win what they can do and if they can push the plan is, I mean, I guess when you look at that, you can't say, well. They're getting some of this done. By not having Billy Bryson line of Joe makes him in the lineup. Tyler I for is now going to be gone vaunt as perfect missed the first month. So there's Michael Johnson missile time, press Brown, missing timeline. Either starters are big, big time players that healthy out, but. I just that's not a sustainable way to get to the playoffs to win in the playoffs to give up twenty plus points game too. You know you, you will need to show that resilience factor. You will need to win these games that are close games come for behind contests in all of that. You know that that's you're going to need to do that. Especially when it comes in January and February, just that's part of that's going to happen. But week to week, I don't think that's a sustainable thing. Now I'm saying the bagels to blow out everybody they play, but I just I worry about the points per game. I worry about the yards given up per game. I worry about the disparity in turnovers the past couple of weeks. Now things could change and you know, terra Lawson could turn things around, but as exciting as the skill positions are on offense, I worry about the sustainability. Win with defense in. You know. Going forward here. I also worry about. Once again, the offense of line, I worry about if Cincinnati's ofensive line can continue. What a date in the first two weeks and not I, there's a, I don't know if there's a Jacqueline high thing. I two weeks. They were pretty good there. Okay. Yes. Outs Redman Bobby Hart had had their issues cordy. Glenn was very good. The first two weeks. Billy price was pretty good until he left the ravens game with an injury trait. Hopkins's filled in admirably center, but Redmond at heart continue to be issues. Now, Glenn is having some issues on the left side of the past couple of weeks. So. I don't know what's going on there. I don't know what's going on there, and I hope that it improves. I'm very curious to see. Sounds like Billy price won't be back until maybe you know, close to midway in the season week seven may be, it sounds like so. I don't know. I don't know if you know you keep price in their keep Hopkins in there. All that just kind of depends on things, but as good as we feel about this win with the Cincinnati Bengals. My point is is there are a lot of question marks the scene. There are a lot of issues still at the surface of this team in while a lot of people are saying, yeah, jump on the Bengals bandwagon. All that. I just don't know that. Dave shown their true potential or maybe they have shown who they really are, which is score lot points give up lump points. My thing, you look back to two thousand five when the when the Bengals offense was putting up a ton of points all that. But the big reason why they were doing that is because the defense was turning it over so many times in putting them in short fields, where were all these great skill position players in that great offensive line continued vantage. Early in the year, the Bengals offense. Any kind of did that. And obviously the defense scored that touchdown on fumble recovery. We won. But. You know. They're not turning it over as frequently now, and I don't. Luckily the offense is pulling their way, but. I don't know. What do you think? Bengals fans? You can let us know in the live YouTube channel. You can call or text. We've already got a couple of text messages, which I appreciate it. We'll get to that in just a second. You can call or text nine for nine, five, four to six, two four one nine for nine, five, four to six, two four one call or text. I'm seeing in or you can leave him any live YouTube chatted for joining us live. I see a couple of. Questions. This is kind of a listener question, but it's basically the big debate. It's a nice segue from what I was saying about the defense. And it's about vaunted Bertha CT and. You know what? Before we get devante birthed, we're getting a call on our. On our OBI line. So let's get to that is doing insider, who's this. John you doing buddy. Yeah. So when I we're talking about now is a good thing. What I've noticed are. Because you have this are really. All players on ethical players saying. That could be an issue with Burke, but still much rather having bag not having with you. Well, yeah, absolutely. You know, that's I'm glad even though I was kinda started talking about glad you called in in talking about on his birthday. Does. That's that's where I was going. Like you said a lot of people live. YouTube chatter talking about autism. Perfect in, you know, can he turn things around for the Cincinnati Bengals defense? Like I said, I, I'm worry John a little bit about the sustainability of the Bengals path of winning. And what I mean by that is the twenty eight points given up per game, the lack of turnover force the last two weeks. And you know, these are things that the big plays the turnovers easer things that Terrel Austin has preached this defense. And it worked the first couple of weeks, but it has not been working since against two of the better quarterbacks in the league Cam Newton and and Matt Ryan. I, I gotta say this and I don't want to know. I know you're a, you're a big critic of Drako Patrick that there are coup- there have been a handful of instances were drafted. Patrick could have. Nabbed interception other guys to Jessie Bates had his hands on a couple. I'm so I mean they've had some opportunities that they have not capitalized on, but you know, it's, it's the pass rushes, been feast or famine a little bit. As have the turnover. So I'm just a little worried about that. No, I think Burfoot is a spark plug, I think is a guy that can help things, but I don't think he's an absolute Chiro to every single issue. The Bengals consistently stopping the run getting off the field on third down. Another issue I have been brought up yet. The Bengals defense is basically the worst in the league getting off the field on third down. I think they were around forty plus percent going into last week and they lead up like seventy something percent. So I, you know about perfect. I'm glad he's coming back. I think he's gonna make a difference. How big of one? I'm not sure how about you. John. Sure, either. Thank you that all hell against the, you know, we really struggled with Carolina running the ball, so thank perfect there. However, against your delete quarterbacks. As you know, one athlete kids against her pants and more Matt Ryan totally think about all the thing. And I think it went right for. Dale and down one yard. That is typical. This is difficult Drake battery by now. Drake does. He does frustrate receivers. He just turned over, could. You know what? We only Kansas City Kansas City. You know if he's watching all these family, you know. All be. Of and against which you know the other thing that we have to take into consideration. William Jackson has not played up to the level that he was. He was hyped up big time this off season. He is not played up to the level that we thought, especially last week. He and Patrick. We're both victimized and just, you know, did not look the same in I, I mentioned this one of my Collins it since he jungle. It's not a good thing. When your defense coordinator is preaching, turnovers, turnovers turnovers, you have three first round corners as your three top corners under team and none of them through the first month of the season, Evan interception notched of their belt. Birth rail ours, we are games and not. One of them had such. You know, you can't. You can't really win like that. You can't. Luckily the Bengals found ways to do that, but you normally can't win like that. And that's definitely not the the formula for success with the Bengals on defense. Hopefully return and others return will will make things better. But we have to see John. I've got some other Texan calls to get to appreciate you calling in sir. And. Who they buddy John Kentucky, regular caller there. If you wanna join in either text or call nine four, nine, five, four to six, two, four one. Again I'm for nine five, four to sixty four one. You can call or text. We've got a couple of texts coming in here. One is four. You know what we've got another call coming in, believe it or not. So let's try and get to that. This is the insider who's this. Going going on actually just going to read when you're when you're tax here, are you doing buddy. I'll just complete. Comment. Basically, I was. Keep is on there. Toes and everything. Trying to come back. The fund the China cups. The thing. So try to get it big. Also then does star star by again. No, no, no words for this. I'm not trying to go where. And. Denied, but are they throw push going in but also get to your your tax year because I thought it was pretty interesting. Just a second. Thanks for. Thanks for calling in cruciate. It. As of this week, my thing is with this week against the dolphins. Kinda like what I said about the Carolina game. It wasn't so much that Carolina every position. Better players had a better overall roster better coach, whatever you wanna call it. There's probably give and take of both. But. You gotta think of matchup issues and you gotta think of it think of Bengals roster versus dolphins roster guys. I thought Brian, when he was on earlier, I thought he brought up a very, very interesting situational matchup in terms of Xavi and Howard and make of Fitzpatrick on AJ green and Tyler Boyd. And you know, those are two good players. So it's gonna be interesting to see how Andy Dalton Bill as and company get those guys open. And if they could make the big plays. Yes, agent green has done some things against the AFC south and AFC east teams and all that. But if you look, you know, he's he's spotty record sometimes against some of the top quarters, but he's also made many top corners look silly. So I'm not so worried about AJ green and in him at least making plays. I am worried about any don't may be forced feeding a little bit. Now the Tyler out, maybe Tyler boy can't get the separation that's needed and or the protection that's needed to get those drag routes and everything to Tyler Boyd that he's been excelling on so far. So those are some things I worry about. I just continue to worry about the bagels defense continue to worry. You know, Ryan tannehill is a pocket passer, but use a guy who's got a very athletic background. I think if I remember correctly used one of the guys that was like a wide receiver in college, he played one year a quarterback and all that kind of stuff. And so you can move around bit Cincinnati has done pretty well against him. They win the last game, at least we'll see. But yeah, I think I think this should be game at the Bengals hand on the other aspect to it is, you know, are they? Are they over looking this game because the Steelers are right around the corner and that's where they're focused may be. I don't think so. I think this team, it shows some pretty good focus in has. Like I said, shown that resiliency factor that we haven't seen out of too many Bengals teams lately, so we'll see. But this should be game. I think the Bengals went probably by touchdown or so still pretty close, but maybe a bit more comfortable than the other. Any kind of like the ravens game a little bit shootout to leave, maybe give it up a little bit, then you know, it's still pretty comfortable throughout, but definitely I think it's more comfortable than the other two games, but we'll see. We'll see, you know, that's why they play and Miami. They got up to three, no start in, who knows? You know, maybe they're starting to play some teams that are better, and some teams that are for real will. We'll see getting another call here, Jason. How are you sir? Win twenty four twenty two fourteen okay. Why why? Why do you sit up. About Joran right now. Tonight, like paying attention like type about, but did you do want to blow time doing that right now? He got no more but three run one. Well, I hope so. You know, that would be a pretty convincing win in a put, put them a form one indefinitely in the driver's seat. I'm gonna say this at the AFC north is both tighter and not as type of race than you think in say that because Cleveland should be a three in one team at this point. I mean, if you really look at officiating and some poor kicking and I mean, they're, they're couple plays away from being three in one Pittsburgh within have another loss and be further down in the in the cellar. And then you've got Baltimore who aside from really the buzzsaw they hit and Cincinnati. They had been playing pretty well. They'd be Pittsburgh a tough game regardless of if Pittsburgh his upper down Pittsburgh would be up for that game in terms of the motion. So you know, I think if the Bengals do get this win at foreign one there during really good position to to go forward and. And move in one thing. We have them, oh man to be a challenge. Just. Women. There. Big. I. Yeah, for those who do not know if you did not watch Monday night football, I didn't watch all, but I watched the fourth quarter which is basically what for the most part mattered in that game. And Patrick Mahomes was making plays that I. I've seen maybe to other quarterbacks make in terms of things you now again, we, we were talking about sustainability. We don't know how sustainable, you know he is. He hasn't played a full season of NFL football yet. In fact, it he's only started like five games or something. So obviously very exciting player. Obviously, you know, teams are trying to figure him out. I'm worried I wrote a post on since he jungle this week that I was worried about. The. I was worried about the scrambling and or quarterbacks that can make things happen in the pocket outside of the pocket. They extend plays Ross burgers. One of even case keenum is one of them. Mahomes is one of them Cam Newton show that he can do some things still on this Bengals defense that that worry me. So Mahomes is definitely one to worry about. I, you know, I think. Yup. Yup. Reminds me. Better, but. Excellent. Well, the good news is that Cincinnati has, gosh, I'm trying to do the math here. They have seven of their next twelve games at home. I believe if I'm doing the math correctly, so you know they started that. That's why getting off to that three months starting in the first month with those three road games was so important. I guess you can kind of say, well, how big of a road game is going to Indianapolis. I mean, it's not travel wise far, but you know, noise and all that kind of stuff. Definitely a road game, but I good points chases thanks for calling in, but we're gonna. We're gonna get you off the air, but thanks. Listen. That was regular listener, Jason as well getting here from the regular Snyder, love it, love it. And that's the way it should be. With this show, especially the Bengals going three in one I'm gonna get outta here. Just a second. There was this text. We've got to techs trying to get to here. One. I guess this is a good one to go with because we were just talking about with the Bengals can do and what the. With the bagels have done so far the first month season. I mean, again, if this is kind of a weekly question, but not really and I don't, unfortunately I didn't get a name with who this was from, but from Erica to six, do you think the Bengals will be able to win the division? I think yes. And I'm gonna. I'm gonna go back to this, and this is this is really funny to me in this. This goes into. Exactly with the national media does and what they say, certain people that are really big on the bangles people that are really down on the bangles. There's a post on cincy jungle dot com by Nick Manchester while the contributors there, and it's based on a calm from Adam shine a guy from NFL network in NFL dot com. In Adam shine has been incredibly incredibly hard on the Bengals never believes in them. All of that. And he says they are a top band wagon to hop onto after a three. In one start, you look at. What he basically synopsis is the Bengals are real folks. The offense is sensational. Defensive line is style, but what happened in Sunday tells you a lot about the fabric and character of this roster after watching the classing popular Tyler I for suffered gruesome season, ending injury. The Bengals didn't roll over there were on the road against Matt Ryan, who's having a fabulous day yet Cincinnati fresh off a week. Three laws Carolina showed gumption gumption. Keep that one that's gumption and skill coming back to beat the falcons in thirty seven, three, six thriller. When any Dalton hit AJ green with a perfectly placed ball to score the winning touchdown with just six ticks left. Something became clear. These are not your older brothers Bengals. This is a different cincy team when that can absolately win the AFC north now candidate. Yes. And even Adam shine says they can guess. He is. Gives subtle jab at these, aren't your owner, brothers dangles that the ones that have fallen on on their faces in postseason and all that kind of stuff. Unfortunately, it's still it's still has to be this in. I don't want it to be this way, but it's still, I think for a lot of angles fans, it's still, yeah, you know, at this season's fun they've shown us a lot primetime win already against a good divisional team in the Baltimore Ravens. This come from behind win on the road against an explosive offense in the Atlanta, Falcons nice win initially to open the season against the colts. You still. They still gotta prove it. I mean, I, I don't know how I don't want it to be that way, but I still feel like they still got up. They still gotta prove it. Now they've proven, they can win, win a division title. They've done that. And that's not what I mean by the to prove it. I'm talking about obviously January February, they just they need to prove that and they won't have anymore. Primetime games per se. Let's get flexed into one late in the season that there's a game was the only primetime game on the slate this year for them. So. You know, their next big, big, big game. Big stage will probably wouldn't be until they win the division. Obviously, you know the, they've got Steelers games and ravens games and all that coming up. But I think they can. I think they're definitely poised to, I think right now they're playing probably the best football. Anybody in the division. The Raymond's are close, but the Bengals stop the ravens for most intensive purposes couple of weeks ago. So you know, I think, yeah, I think they can win the north. I don't know if it's gonna be a runaway twelve win type of thing. Maybe ten wins or something like that. But. Hey, in a wine, not, but it's, it's again more about after you get there, what do you do? And hey, I don't want. I hate saying a hate it. Trust me. I hate it, but. That is, that is what it is. And you know so far this team has shown a different gene. If you will be able to do things in the postseason that other teams maybe didn't show as much, but we'll see. Let's also get out of here even though he called in earlier, I wanted to get it was his was more of a comment. This one is actually questioned from Terrell. He notes different attitude Dalton's throwing on target. Basically, he wants to know, you know, talking a little bit about John Ross, does a tongue in cheek joke about, hey, we want to trade him now that he actually showed some things this week. No, no. Keep them. Like I said, last week, John Ross is a work in progress, and there's a lot of clay to mold their and he showed quite a bit last week in just you catches unfortunately, that growing pool, I guess he had. Against the falcons on that touchdown catch is catching up with this week. Maybe the Bengals are just resting him to get him out there, but he hate to see him go, you know, polarizing weeks week three terrible. You know raked through the coals week, four very nice rebound great game, and then we'd five doesn't play. You'd be like it's a little frustrating. So hopefully he's able to suit up. If if he's healthy and go out there and do some things, otherwise the bagels, Josh, full early, got Cody core. They can do some other things, but. I think now that you have I for another lineup, you really wanna have as many skill position guys healthy as possible going forward. Can't afford lose too many more those now that I I go on and I think the bagels need to be healthy on all fronts. Even though Ross is kind of their three, four wide receiver if you will, but the Bengals appear to be getting healthier. The Bengals probably will be getting most if not all these while most of these guys back as the season progresses in wears on when they need them. So that's, that's a good thing in hopefully the other tight end step up in replacement for Tyler. I, for this is the orange blanket center bagels podcast. Anthony Gazeta might co hosts John, Sharon, join us earlier, and we had Brian catton's RO from the Finsider of the SP nation network to help us preview the dolphins game coming up to both teams to three one and dolphins are getting a lot of love around the nation, but the three and one of the plane pretty decent football. So should be an interesting game this week. You can get this program on. I tunes. Get it on YouTube. He can get it on art nineteen. You can also get it on a variety of other platforms. Google play Stitcher. Itunes did say, I and all of our stuff is on cincy jungled dot com. So check that out. Apologize for an abrupt leaving from John in you getting basically me for most of the program. So hopefully you still enjoy regardless and enjoy your time. Sunday with slits Bengals get into the Steelers at foreign one. The Tope Montas perfects presence is felt in a big way right away. Remember couple years ago when he was on leave, was this ascension her was at the when he was recovering from the issue against the Steelers. He came back and had a wail of a ballgame, and really was the reason why the Bengals one, I think those twenty fifteen maybe. So you know, he could come back. You can have an impact. We know this about him so, but. Let's just hope for good game, a win, a fun game, and enjoy the rest of your weekend for John share. NAMI exams. Thanks for listening to the orange, blackened cetera. Bangles podcast, extra calls texts will see next time.

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The Orange and Black Insider Bengals podcast: Senior moments

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The Orange and Black Insider Bengals podcast: Senior moments

"Everyone going. It's Anthony Kazan's a with the orange black insider Bengals podcast. I hope you are doing well was a very interesting championship conference championship weekend. And we'll talk about that in just a little bit as well. As Bengals coaching news. Our own Mico hosts, John Sharon is in mobile, Alabama talking. He's covering the senior bowl. He will be calling into the program in just a little bit. So we'll be anxious to hear from him. And we also might be joined by an old friend, Scott Solti. We're not sure if he is definitively going to be joining us, but he might be we'll see, but he will be welcome on the program, obviously. So we've got a lot on tap were also gonna take your questions towards the end of the program as well. And try and get to those so shoot those atis in the live YouTube chat. You can text them to us nine four nine five four to six two four one. You can also use that same number towards the end of the show for calls and before. Now, let's let's start with texts and go from there, and you know, Email all that stuff. You can hit us up. We're also on Twitter at Bengals OB is he can shoot a question there where also wants jungled dot com. So you can shoot us a line in the comment thread there as well. And as always I mentioned every week he can get this show on a number of different platforms. I tunes Stitcher. Google play art nineteen like I said on since he jungled dot com and YouTube as well. So we appreciate the sport. There's a couple little I guess house cleaning items, I gotta get to before we dive into everything. First of all will start with a little bit of bad news in an apology from me to all of you both live listeners, and those may be who download the show after the fact last week. You heard me an ounce that we were going to be interviewing Mark Walton the Bengals running back. Everything was set up to go up to the day before that interview was to be scheduled and lo and behold, the Representative who set up the interview had said that Mark Walton was actually bailing on all all of his said interviews at specific day something had come up, and I don't I don't know what. But it was obviously something personal or professionally came up, and he just was was unable to do. The interviews. We are trying to reschedule that. So for those of you were looking forward to that and were expecting that on our feet. I apologize. Unfortunately, I just didn't come to be even though we had planned out. Nobody's fault. Really, just you know, kind of an unfortunate sequence of events, but we will be getting more people on the line Bengals players. You know, beat writers all that kind of stuff. We're we're making it a priority to get more people on this show. More guests on this show to bring you, you know, wide variety of content. But I apologize for that regardless. I hope you enjoy the Tyler Boyd interview a couple of weeks ago, and that is still on our feet, but we're going to try and get you more. And we are still trying to reschedule something with with Mark Walton at some point down the road. We'll see and I will be sure to let you know in that happens. But my apologies to the listeners out there for you know, if they were expecting that and did not receive so. John Sharon's probably gonna call is call in about ten minutes. So before we get to all the sights and sounds it's of senior bowl, and there's there's a lot and actually kudos to my co-host there, John he broke some news and one of the bits of news. He broke apparently his Twitter was on NFL network throughout the day, all kinds of stuff. John asked a pretty point question to Jon Gruden the raiders head coach basically trying to get a gauge on Brian Callaghan. The young the young man who was the quarterbacks coach, and you know, he was rumored to be a target potentially for offense coordinator, and as John asked coach Gruden that question grooten came out and said basically that he confirmed that Brian Callahan's going to be the offense coordinator for the Bengals. Now, I don't know. I don't think that the Bengals are in any trouble for that. Because they didn't announce it but Gruden did. And so it appears that yet another young offense of mine an unproven one. But a young offense of mind is going to be a major part of this staff going forward. So talion comes from the raiders as the quarterbacks coach as as I mentioned earlier he is. I mean, his background is obviously the son of Bill Callahan. Who also might be joining the Bengals in a similar capacity to worries at with Washington, which is an offensive line coach he has nine years of coaching experience. But you know, it's mostly as a position coach quarterbacks coach. Now, I believe that Derek Carr when he had some of his best seasons believe that was kind of under the tutelage of Callahan there, and you know, fortunately, it's kind of been a little bit hit and miss some of that has to do with car. Some of that has to do with the train wreck in the fire sale that the raiders engaged in this past off season. But he brings that fresh approach, obviously, he's a guy who's going to be on the same page. Zack Taylor whenever that signed. Whenever that hires going to be announced. So. That is a pretty interesting higher. I think. Though, it's a little writ while it's very risky. The fact that the they're not bringing in a really approving offense coordinator of grizzled veteran, I guess at that coaching spot and they did the same at head coach Taylor. You have to be pretty excited that these guys are coming coming from, you know, productive offense for the most part and they're bringing a fresh approach to the offense a much different approach probably a pass happy approach and really modernizing the Bengals offense, and you have to be pretty pleased with that. And if you're Andy Dalton considering some of the comments do Tobin made at the senior bowl this week that he's probably their guy again this year. You know, I think. You got to be pretty pleased with the direction of things. And you know, I think that this this points to a much different era of Bengals football than the one that preceded it points to a hopefully much more exciting brand of football with a lot of points one with a lot of offense. And and you know, we'll see there is a lot of risk involved because he's too young guys two guys at a pretty inexperienced, but they are guys who bring a real innovative approach to the team in to the offense. And I think that that's why. That's that's why Taylor is picking this guy. Now, Daryl Bevill was the guy that was kind of floating out there rumored interest. Mike Sherman father-in-law Acteal is a guy that kinda might be out there as offense of line coach, maybe even offense coordinator that sort of thing that doesn't appear to be the case. There's even talk of his brother press Taylor coming over from the eagles. You know, there's a lot of coaching vacancies to be filled. But as time seemingly creek spy and the Rams now are in the Super Bowl. We get little bits of information coming out about what the Bengals staff is going to look like who's going to be part of of Taylor's staff, and here's the thing too. Is you have to figure Taylor probably came into the building in his interview and said, this is who I got these are my guys. These are the list of guys I want hired for you know, these specific positions we can hang onto. A couple of of the coaches here, it appears that Alex van pelt will remain the quarterbacks coach he is not been mentioned as being replaced, it appears a couple of the secondary coaches Livingston and others will be retained it appears that Bob big. Now, the receivers coach might be retained as well. And then Darrin Simmons on special teams, but they're still quarterbacks coach offensive line coach offensive coordinator linebackers coach defensive coordinator tight ends coach. You know, these are all all positions it still need to be filled by the Bengals and by Zack Taylor. And and it's it's a little difficult right now because I think most people really want, especially when we're talking about the senior boy most people really want. That Taylor higher to be announced in for the team to have. You know, the staff place all the guys down there to do the scouting. And all of that. But you know, it it very well. Their new coach is bringing Super Bowl experience. Whether it's he you know is team ends up losing Super Bowl or wins. It he is bringing immediate Super Bowl experience to the Cincinnati Bengals. And by the way, anyone who was thinking Airbnb was going to be the higher by now that would have been announced institute, swirling natives e can get that out of your mind. Zack Taylor is all but officially the guy in case you were still in denial. But you know, it's going to we can't the Bengals can't announce anything until after next Sunday not this coming one but Sunday after so, you know, it's going to be almost another two weeks as of this episode until the Taylor higher is official. So, you know, that's that's interesting apparently though Br. Ryan Callahan is the offense coordinator also a couple of interesting names on the defensive coordinator front and this. I like not that. I did nothing. I didn't like the Brian Cowen thing. But I've said a couple of times that I think that Taylor being a young guy and overhauling the staff I think he he could use a couple of veteran coaches on the staff to really lean on guys who maybe even have NFL head coaching experience in. Apparently he is looking at a couple John FOX is a guy he's looking at for defensive coordinator position. And Jack del Rio is another one and both have proven to be very good defensive minds. They have even proven to be that way, you know, as head coaches del Rio had a little bit of success with the Jaguars. And then had you know, taste of success with the raiders as well recently. I think I think both of those guys are are smart hires yet, it's kind of going back to the Marvin mold. Yeah. Del Rio has Marvin ties. But I think bringing some tenacity a different in well respected name a guy who's been in NFL head coach to the defensive coordinator position. I think that will resonate with a lot of guys and these guys know how to build a defense. So, you know, I think that either one of those would would be a home run hire. I don't I don't know who I particularly lead towards I guess a little bit del Rio. But you know, John FOX's had a lot of success as well. A lot of people. Unfortunately, you know, they remember some of the issues they had as head coaches, even though FOX took, you know, took the Broncos far into the Panthers far, you know, a lot of people. Remember, the big losses in some of the other issues, but those two guys have had some success in the league. And I think they would be smart hires by by Zack Taylor going forward. So that's kind of what we know so far on the coaching front. On the outside Bill. Callahan might be the offensive line. Coach should Brian Callaghan. Be hired that'd be unawed dynamic dad working under the sun. But you know, it is what it is. And if that's what seems to be the best fit going forward than that's that. Is what it is. So, you know, there's no real talk yet of at least rumor wise of linebacker coach running backs coach little bit of interesting news. We did see that the. Some of these Bengals coaches who were reportedly let go have kind of been hanging out at the senior bowl with some of the other coaches. So we'll see what's going on there. Vape guy, who I believe is our good friend. John from Kentucky says it feels like nineteen eighty again, Paul Brown running things just hired Forrest Gregg. And then in the Super Bowl two years later. Let's hope. Vig Nash Arasu says Bengals just have to stay healthy next year. Big if you know, and that's another side topic of conversation. It's going to be interesting to see what kind of sway Taylor has in the form of organizational practices. Now. Look a lot of the injuries this year. I get were torn knee, ligaments and pretty severe things that you know, you don't misdiagnosed or anything like that. But this medical staff, even though it's been overhauled once or twice under Louis. This medical staff is has come under question before. And you know, I think I think it's fair that I think it's fair if. Taylor comes in and questions a lot of practices a lot of departments in in the in the organization, and you know, maybe it's that young if they're if they're really engaged in that young fresh approach and outside guy a guy who just came from a Super Bowl. Maybe he has more clout with ownership to say, hey, you know, not enough scouts. We got a more scouts. Hey. We gotta have an indoor facility. Hey, we got honor the past guys we got honor the legends of this team. Hey, let's look at the medical staff. Let's make sure everything's in check their so they gave Lewis some degree of power. It's going to be interesting to see if if that translates going forward, we are talking on the orange black insider about a number of different coaching changes. And has I mentioned I believe we have our co host. My co host on the line, John Sharon who is in mobile, Alabama covering the senior bowl for Espy nation since he juggled dot com. Johnny there. I am on. How are you? I'm great. How are you? Well, hey couple of important questions before we get into anything. Number one. How's the food down there? Food is fantastic. It was great last year in. We actually we met up with. Friend and colleague who took us to a. Like like, you could tell this place only local news, and it was like amazing barbecue and everything. And we and we were there with with the Browns guy of each Joe months winter, and we were talking about like, John Dorsey, whatever and next thing, you know, John Dorsey, pretty kitchens walks in and then like did like right behind the and it was like the most countries like place, you can imagine. But it was amazing barbecue. And like, that's that's basically what we accepted mobile now. Now, are you? I know you're you're hanging tight with Joe good bear you guys rooming together. Did you say that last week? God, I I wish I wasn't where Joe because. Snore clouded hell like like Quant toil like ten minutes ago. Is that him is that him in the background? It's obnoxious voice. Tell him tell him what's up. And on. We gotta get. We gotta get his butt on the show. We gotta get his butt on the show again tone. The windows gonna come on the show, nor requests he's like big to that. Yeah. Yeah. You know? He he got that Twitter. Blue check in now. He's now he's captain big league. I know I'm saying can't trust her verified well speak. Speaking of blue checks, you might be on your way next, my friend because you broke some big news. And apparently, I've been reading your name was on NFL network based on some some Brian Callaghan. News we were just talking about that before you came on the air here. Quickly kind of before we talk about some of the prospects of what you and and others have seen down in mobile. Your thoughts on Brian Callaghan being the guy, and basically Jon Gruden just coming forward and saying yeah, this by the way, he's now a Bengals coach. I I wanted to talk about you know, what to expect from Callahan because I wanted to ask grew about what you thought about Callahan. He had no interest in anything about Brian Cowen called caissons nothing. New just wanted to break me is that he would become offense coordinator, which was fine with me because that's how everybody knew now. And I guess what you do but the tanks you're clutching counting. In is almost the biggest maybe even a bigger known as Taylor is as as the play call of desire of an offense because just has experience as an assistant under out of gaze of the Broncos Denver to work with many many staff heard he was gruden's I quarterback coach under their card Dobie, as you know, a lot of inexperienced next running nine in offense. And I think it's there to say that if the Bengals bringing Bill cowling in Bryant dad from Washington, maybe you know, Bill becomes passing game coordinator, Brian become herb to Brian becomes the past Kim coordinator Bill becomes the run game. Senator I guess maybe that Taylor plays in front. His offense. Kind of like what the Rams do with this McVeigh in Shane Waldron. In those guys though, I think counting is obviously a great unknown because he's got, you know, nine years of coaching experience. But you obviously learned a lot with with gays. He has a background, you know, scheming working under that. So those are things that you can kind of we'll coming to Cincinnati. But it's far as you know, how he's gonna run the offense hosting the structure how again design house gonna have many players that I think as the great unknown in. You know does equally, you know, uncomfortable and exciting because it's something new. Yeah. And you know, you gotta think that, you know, both guys are younger guys. Both guys have the the quarterbacks coach background in in whatnot. I mean, you gotta figure that he's guys are probably on the same page in terms of what they wanna do the players. They want to bring on the roster and how they want to use them. I mean, there's just like Taylor. Hi, this is another big risk. Big reward type of thing. You know? I I was saying before he got on the phone John that this. It would seem that probably Taylor had, you know, a shortlist of options for a number of different coaching positions on the team when he went into interview in this guy probably was up towards the top of the list. You would think and you know, there's probably some good synergy there based on the age the background all that kind of stuff. And I guess what we have to be excited. Like, you said I mean he's worked with Stafford. Under some productive statistically productive years car the same thing. So I mean, you got. Like that. Especially if you're Andy Dalton or maybe even a new guy coming in, right? I think the most important thing is that they might finally have some of identity on offense. Because obviously Taylor would be comfortable with Brian because he is the son of this of his coach Nebraska. So I think are gonna come in with extremely similar offense philosophies, and when you have, you know, play playcallers now running the offense as long as you're on the same page, and you have some type of I did any that you form with the players. And then bring in the the same kind of player that you want in degree and work with I think that bodes well. And obviously when you bring in, you know, guys, who aren't no retreads, you know, former click cars coaches in these port roles, then always gonna be some type of risk. But that's kind of how innovation start. You. Gotta find the time the Russians in news comes and when you have now, I think would have been held tailoring Callahan. You're gonna have three four quarterbacks coach is having major roles in offense, adding that both wallet either, you know, getting bilberry less than maybe bringing new guys though, I think. You know, looking at the positives. A lot take and can be excited about and more importantly, I think the cohesion the new guys coming into something that I think is being undervalued you're in computer important, and one of the last coaches they brought in with a quarterback background Sam white. She had he had a little bit of success with this feeling pretty good. Just a little bit of success. So speaking of quarterbacks I've really enjoyed in limited time I've had to look at it. I've really enjoyed following both you and Joe good berry on Twitter. And you know, your interviews and all that stuff. Really a couple of guys that have begun to stick out from what you guys have put out there recently. I guess let's start with drew lock the Missouri quarterback. I I didn't know too much about him. I started kind of watching some clips, and he's he's a real kind of excitable guy behind behind the under center. He kinda runs around a lot kind of ad-lib makes things happen. He take some chances. I was really impressed with in granted small tidbits of sound bites. But I was really impressed with some of the audio. I heard of him in his interviews. He seems to be a real personable guy. A real a guy that people can gravitate to it. Am I wrong about that in his at translating at all on the practice field? No joke. Question you tell you the same thing that I would drew lock very personable. You didn't use very not formulaic at all picks. What what what is giving them? And I think that's a quality that's gonna make something love within. But as far as what he's shown on the practice. I think you shown similar negatives that, you know, going Chris pas about him and how he reacts to pressuring space, and and the being in snack, your c- downfield, and then the lack of Tut's grows. Not obviously something that, you know, need to be monitored. But. I think in general he was similar for this guy. Like Josh Allen last year can't Bernard and also head, you know, at the making happen, but Alan kind of rain with the opportunity of the senior right now, drew you kinda stumbling a little bit because Christine sub some of issues that popped up on tape. You know, reacting in front of spacing creating outside the structure and being down, and and some of the for popping up because these guys account outside, but the block is definitely the, you know, on the surface a guy that you'd be able you know broker leading your locker room and being the face of your franchise, but some of those questions on on the field. They don't do very much aren't known. And I think he's going to have the need Josh Allen like performance, the senior will never down lit up during live by his stock in the first round that has something to do you want to keep his name in that conversation? He this is again, this is kind of a weird class and one where it can get a little money behind maybe the top one or two guys. But we've seen in recent years we've seen quarterbacks just suddenly shoot up boards because teams always wanna get that next young guy. So maybe he's one of those guys the other guy I was started to kind of get warm on up to the senior bowl. And now, it seems there's been kind of a little bit of. Reviews of him is Daniel Jones of Duke. You know, he doesn't seem to have quite the charisma as lock, but he also. I don't know. I mean what what do you see in from him and practices in in? I mean, there's only really been one practice. I guess that you've seen at this point. But what's your what are your impressions of him? Yeah. I think kinda hit the nail on the phone with the first one. He's he's a little more like July is kinda like monitor and you of have like kind of written out. But I think it was well trained for this. And when people started, you know, throwing some interesting questions you didn't respond well to on the field Jones the much better manager of pocket, and he'll keep his eyes downfield and kind of a pressure. But I think most of those concerns. Say remember just like the system that he played with dude news conic listenable on the field. And sometimes you know, that lack that, you know, necessarily pocket presence to maybe of you know, feel car around the edge. And you know, I think also a lot of quarterbacks release yesterday. They had a lot of ball die in his win was picking others storm coming in from the west and Jones had something consistent out. Good accuracy. And you wasn't driving balls wells most people kind of bought in and even even some of those concerns were gonna be causing you think this guy in the first round. And yeah. And he nor Loch has the production that, you know, high all were have that, you know, Trump from a college career. So that's our that's already a beyond dented as her. But I also think that he's going to have a good game because by his hind because right now this whole crop senior quarterbacks of looking very myth was no one really standing this. Not a bigger Mayfield. Down down here. Moped elector was last year. Like, if anyone, you know, like like, maybe Luger's or little more today than either just because he was like sixty six miles an hour on KOMO, bro speech, which did not show up on me. But the US trying to overcompensate for that that questionable Arveladze many haven't even as a little inaccurate zone along these quarterbacks are kinda just into different variables warning that experiencing as I I kind of comes with the second day they had to move practices because because they're expecting a storm. So things being thrown at them at once, and you know, kind of good see how just how they the of until Saturday when the game happens. Talking with John barren, usual co host of the orange black insider bangles podcast. He is down in mobile, Alabama. Getting in all the sights and sounds really cool experience. It sounds like. And and obviously, you're you're picking up on all the things that are going on down there before we get to a couple of other players that you know, Bengals fans, I guess should be having on their radar, especially when it comes to the April draft class needs all that kind of stuff. There's been it seems as if Duke Tobin is spoken. I think once kennison limited soundbites there, but have you interacted with any of the other staff members down there, and or been hearing any other rumors reports or anything that you can relay to us about either the coaching staff or direction of the team or anything. Yeah. And when I was on the field after the first practice on Tuesday house, looking around her, you know, you know, who's interview with you notice like a like a bunch of different things like that had, you know, at least like doesn't guys like talking to eat like twelve people at the same time. And and you had every other team out there, and you didn't see anything down there, and like they're all sitting in the stands like together. Chatting, and this is this is a mean Joe discovered that you know, how cats John John Hayes and. The laser. We're all just chilling around there in, you know, look reports be gone like, you know, just chilling this year to be here because they don't have anybody else on that staff. And you know, I personally have not seen them anybody. I think you know, when they do this pretty close this than pre close at the has, and you know, not like to make this kind of public. So I do think. Yeah. Tobin letting talk with Jeff Hobson yesterday, Jim Jim Morrison as well. I have not heard anything about who they've met because very private. But when it comes to that I, but I do think that they're focusing. Yeah. Definitely on you know, guys, hedgerows linebackers who will provide deed, and I don't think that you know, we can count them out looking at quarterbacks think. And I think hell is here. Because one of the extra coaches the team are still at the staff, and you know, you have to do if legitimately considering the Gallic your logger, maybe Dana Jones, or maybe just maybe, you know. Let's bring the system where you would like a quarterback that operates how structure even if he doesn't fit, you know, the the traditional standards in personal to hide and all that stuff. Yeah. I I mean hearing and seeing some reports on some players out there in the form of linebackers. I saw that was at Coney the nothing to the Notre Dame linebacker. He's he's kind of been talked about quite a bit. And is the kid from LSU there as well. That than what junior. Yeah. That's what I thought. I I wasn't seen his name. But I've been here in Kony's name a lot in some others. Ed linebacker are there? Some or edge rusher. I, you know, mantras sweat is another guy heard about to over the past over the past couple of days are there. Some guys kind of knows positions that you think should be on Bengals fans radar as this process. Ramps up the combine all that kind of stuff. I think the two that day in tape. That of the media were was granted access. The Germain crat of North Carolina State. Andrew drink will Dame new both, you know switched on and off of middle linebacker or just, you know, just. They had the believe of the north team playing nickel defense. I believe and yeah, they really they're really instinctive on. They're going off allow out by grunts really scraping off the top of you know, second-level blocking look natural back into coverage, but just in general of instinctive, and look like, you know, really responsive looking clothing towards, you know, open gaps and finding the ball care nothing. That's just them linebacker dangles black at this point. But all backers listening. I think those have been most pressing a guy from New Mexico. Stay there really opt out yesterday. But I didn't get a great look on it. I I know some people thought highly of him from practice, but those those Pratt and tranquil where the guys jobs today. Any any sleeper guys or guys that have been maybe role players on high profile teams that maybe have have caught your eye? The the Renfro kid from Clemson. I saw data Sweeney talking about him of this week as well. You know, he's a guy that just, you know, kind of the the slog guy the guy that does kind of dirty work, you know, guy that's really valuable in the NFL now in this landscape. And really, you know Taylor coming from the Rams he uses a lot of guys like that. The patriots use a lot of guys of that mold and just kind of move them around a lot. So I mean are there other guys, you know, he's a lot of people know his name because he was on Clemson. But he's not really necessarily a superstar college player. But maybe somebody like that or guys that you just hadn't really been exposed to that. You're like, oh, wow. I gotta I gotta take another. Look at this guy. Yeah. Offense. I think I think there's a couple of the linemen that will probably be getting more attention by the end of this week and going into the combine at tackle a guy tightest Howard, Alabama state alum. I also couple games him getting this mainly focus on watching tackles. But he had a gaming it's Auburn where he looked like he belonged in against plenty of competition and the two practices. He's plates are really good gadget. Right. Tackling each less. It's very talented edge rushers in inside of the guard Nick Davis from Charlotte small school there. He kind of looked like six two or six three and his caprice where does well, it looks like his rear end touch the ground, and that's dancing. No one has been able to padding clue love power in love to work in his legs. It'd been able to out some holes. And I think he's going to be gotta watch as well. And you mentioned Ren crowing. He's got like the gutters. Also that India's Bella of those were receiver shores earbud guy penny hearts who does this school is escaping me. But the the first of all plays assault him. I'm merely Hawkins like five eight hundred eighty but you so quick and sun breaks, so natural movement. So officiant in this full work, which isn't have ciampa speeding to enter in and out as breaks and he was making quarterbacks. Look silly from time to time. And also looks like he has metro hand. So I think those are the smaller guys guys are small, but the lesser known guys that are going to be the headlines, but our take away with a lot of positive a mess. Awesome. Will. Thanks. Thanks for the report. Jon, I'm gonna let you get back at it have a have a couple of cocktails or whatever it is. You're gonna do tonight and hopefully have one for me. But if not maybe tomorrow night and tell good berry to go buy a plunger for your room and get your deep down to get on the show sometime. He says he misses you a lot about that. God. I miss you too. Joe we got we gotta get him on the show man talk me into it. Thanks. Thanks for everything's on your killing it, buddy. Keep up the good coverage. And appreciate your call on any even though you've been probably working, you know, all day the past couple of days. So appreciate it. And we'll talk we'll catch up next week, dude. All right. Thanks. That was John. Sharon, our usual co host checking in from mobile, Alabama, giving us some names to watch and giving us an update on the quarterbacks that are down there. Some of the top I would say probably three or four of the top six seven quarterbacks in this class are down there will Greer garner men shoe. You know, we talked about Daniel Jones. And then we obviously talked about drew lock as well. So those are those are four guys that you know, will probably be in the day one day two type of discussion in the draft. And they're down there and the Bengals might be. We talked about all these coaches now our guys at our f- quarterback background. So they might be looking at bringing someone in. Maybe maybe some of these guys do have some flaws, maybe it's the John kit. Carson Palmer thing this year with Dalton where he used the bridge guy for a year or two the draft one of these guys in and see what they have in them. And that's how it goes. But there's no doubt even even backup quarterback should be in play for this for this year. So maybe maybe the plan is they get one of these guys as a backup quarterback after all dull tin his missed. He's had two of his last four seasons. Cut short on. I r so, you know, they they need a capable backup. Driscoll didn't really seem to be the guy even though he was dealing with a lot of injuries on that side of the ball to help him out. But you know, quarterback should be in the discussion this year for sure. And so and there's a lot of interesting names down. There are thanks to John who's down there. Giving us all the scoop you can get this show. The orange black insider Bengals podcast you can get on I tunes on Stitcher on Google play on art nineteen where on YouTube. And you can also get all of our content on cincy, jungled dot com. You can also follow John Sharon for his updates at John underscore Sheeran on Twitter. If you're on Twitter check that out. He's they didn't have practice on Wednesday at practices on Tuesday in interviews on Tuesday Satan, and they should be open practices Thursday in the game is this weekend. So definitely keep an eye on him. And then I'm sure many of you already follow. Joe good berry is well at good berry. You heard him chiming in on the background that caller. That was cool. So follow him. Those two guys are bringing some clutch info, especially from a Bank perspective from the senior bowl. We're gonna get outta here in just a few minutes. But before we do we're going to take some listener questions. We've already got a couple teed up. I believe, but if you want to try and get one in here at the end, you can leave it in the live YouTube. Chat. Maybe give us a call or shoot a text at nine four nine five four to six two four one. We'll try and get to that. We do have a text that already came in in is from Franken Virginia. I think the question is asking how confident are we that dole Rio will be coming on board? If he does I seem to remember that he ran a three four defense. So that's that's an interesting situation because the. The Bengals have the personnel. Four a four three tradition. More traditional style, offense and. Yeah. Sorry about that. That was a coal coming in. We'll try and get to you in a sec if you try again in a minute, but anyway, the Bengals have more of a four three type of traditional defense that they run they, you know, they've got the they've got the big defensive ends currently on the roster more of the traditional mold. Sam Hubbard Carlos Dunlap. Michael Johnson is currently on the roster Gino Atkins is not a nose tackling a three four system. So there's that. But there's there's also the idea that. Cincinnati. Maybe may get divers on that side of the ball. Del Rio did run a three four a lot of times Jacksonville. But it's more about being diverse on that side of the ball. Now. I think and. The the Bengals are trying to do some different things on that side of the ball by overhauling linebacker group. Probably getting some more guys they do have kind of some pieces to do a three four type of style of defense. That would be you know, you've got your car loss in kind of the edge rusher die that is was initially looked at her initially pegged outside linebacker when when he first got to the team. But I mean, he's an edge rusher. He have guys like that. But he also look at the Rams, right? The Rams kinda run a hybrid three four ish, but they have dominant sue have Aaron Donald Aaron Donald definitely in the mold of Gino Atkins. So you know, Doria, I I'm pretty confident that he could come up with a system that. You know could suit with the Bengals have and allow them to bring in more people. We've got another call on the line here. So we're gonna get to that. I the orange black inside who's this? Terrell wouldn't be Wednesday without you, my friend. How are you, sir? I'm doing all right, man. Trying to trying to play operator host all that kind of stuff. So I apologize. If I missed yours and other calls, but I'm doing all right, man. How you doing? Knows you want John. Couple especially game. I mean, you wanna that you great though. So I I've been on a charm to a couple of scout. Discover my. Other Shad or whatever. Got a couple of people that I do too man of hybrid that big while like yakking nearby, you're going okay England. Faint days ago, keep begs involved or short, he banks charter say of the land banks wine foul down. My. Your name saw fan like he might be shooting up or. And then I think they probably about the right tackle from for Florida at his name. Yeah. John taylor. I believe is that the tackle from Florida. From solid. I mean, definitely better than we'll get over. There could be a solid right tackle. But when you talk about Daniel the corridor from Bill he moved in pretty yard. I'm watching football. Playing games. On on the jar. He comes like a definite all won't death. But he was kind of Mike Mitchell Trubisky something like that. Make saints seem school seem old right? I mean that would make sense. Rear here. Oh. A hand. I mean, I hope I mean all the quarterback guru Dane on no air buddies for them. Court room type thing to wingers rookie mad. They wanna area. Make basically of Jack dollars. Hell I mean draft draft stock. I mean, bakes trains, DACA. But I think from what to win much of the raiders moving from west to work through and on the way too much, indeed Washington, at least Bill later this double injury. Congress bully though, he's going to. Oh, the wait. Rouse. Yeah. I mean, that's that's the big. That's the big question. This year. I'm going to take your call off the air here Terrell 'cause there's a couple of couple of prospects that you talked about that. I think we're interesting. So thanks for your call. First of all, I misspoke, I meant when I when I said same school. I confused Duke North Carolina. I know Mitch Trubisky went to North Carolina. Dana Jones from Duke same state, come on. Gimme break. Sorry. But yeah, I see this is this is the thing with Jones. I like I said when we were talking with John he was a guy that initially. I was starting to kind of warm up to and then I kinda started hearing some reports and all that kind of stuff about him being dry and him not maybe doing so great in. You know, practices and all that kind of stuff. But look, unfortunately, this is this is where we get to be a little too hard on some of these young guys. Okay. First of all when they when they don't play well in these college bowl these these scout bowl games. I mean, they get a couple of practices to play together. And then they get thrown into a game to try, and you know, have a great performance. It's difficult regardless of how good you are. Okay. Number two, this whole process combine senior bowl all that stuff. It is an paralysis by over analysis. I mean, there are things that just, you know, Dana Jones comes off a little dry. I saw he in kudos to good berry for asking kind of a different question one that was a little off script. But I saw good berry. Ask him a question. And he didn't really have a great answer to it think it was about batted passes at the line. So you know, there's some red flags there. But I mean. Overall. You know, you gotta look at the tape. You gotta look at how he did against, you know, some good type of competition. You gotta look at some certain stat statistical areas completion percentage turnovers all that kind of stuff in you know, size. You know, that that's something to think about so, you know, in terms of of Jones, he's a guy that. You know, he'll be in that first conversation. He may with combine and all that kind of stuff. He may be a guy that shows up in all of a sudden capitals himself into that top fifteen without question. Maybe even top ten especially for teams that might be starved for quarterback. The Bengals might be one. We don't know exactly where Zack Taylor's mindset is on that. Do Tobin came to Andy Dalton support this week in mobile. But you know, who knows there's also John Taylor. That is a guy that. That is a guy that has been recently marked the Bengals number eleven. I think it's a little bit of a reach. He is a true right tack on the NFL. It is a need for the Bengals the Bengals have, you know, a need a right tackle, Bobby Hart is not the answer, obviously. So that is something to to think about. I personally have some other people I may have a head of him. But even Joan I believe it's Jona Williams a kid from Alabama you he had a rough game against Clemson. And yeah, it's Clemson with their great defensive line. But. You're gonna face that kind of competition almost every single week almost every single game in the NFL. So, you know, if he's not going that great if he's not doing that well against that kind of competition at the college level that's a little concerning going forward there. There. You know, there are a number of different number of different players that are linked to, you know. And then there's the LSU kid the linebacker. I understand that linebacker has kind of become a little bit of a. Lower premium type of position today's NFL. You want kind of those hybrids safety linebacker guys, your your, you know, your Mark Barron's than the Nike Roby's, all, you know, all those guys, but. You know, there is a need. If for a savvy veteran linebacker to anchor, your defense and roquan Smith is definitely an example and his impact on the bears. This last year is what? Is a prime example of that. We've got another call on the line. We're going to get to that here. And then we're going to get outta here. So let's grab that is the orange bike insider who's this? John other regular, how are you, sir? It is a new dawn sensitive is you could see I do think you're going get beginning. A lot of calls to your dad's just gonna take album volunteer by can help you guys. Anyway, call screener, you name it anything. Please. I maybe a male or whatever I appreciate that. I might need that you know, it. You know, John, I try and manage how you know, all the other stuff the responsibilities but rounding up guests and answering phones and hosting it. It's lots of juggle. So I may I may get you up for that John appreciate that. But what's on your mind? Well, everybody's talking new quarterback and whatnot. But from what I heard from Duke token this past week. He's not real big on finding quarterback. Just yet. He seems to want to stay with Dalton. But he's very interested in increasing the speed of the offense and getting better players on the line on both sides of the ball. So we'll see how that plays five prediction. I don't think they moved from doll this next season the Bank, they're gonna let him play his contract and thing are looking for the quarterback Jupiter but doll which stands being that. He's been injured very little being this division as smash mouth as it is. I don't think they are ready to just boot right out the door and take a risk on a rookie just yet, especially for dulled, still under contracts. And also, I mean, you gotta look at the landscape of. This division. Yes. The Bengals split with the ravens. The ravens kind of had an upward swing when they made a move to their quarterback. Yes. Same thing happened with the Browns. But then you look at the Steelers, I I never count them out fully, but they are a bit of a mass right now on a number of different fronts and all teams, I if I remember correctly, then it goes nine or ten wins by the ravens that ended up winning the division. And you know, the Browns the Steelers and the ravens were all kind of neck and neck as the as the season got, you know, war on the Bengals they stay healthy. They make some changes, especially amongst the coaching staff and at head coaching. They get a couple of other nice pieces. Help out the offense of wine. I mean, all of a sudden, this becomes a wide open division. Again. I wanna say this too. You mentioned speed on offense. And that's something. Do Tobin is looking at John. You know, you look back to Jerry doffs first year rookie year. Granted you only started seven games but five touchdowns seven interceptions. Well, what what have the Rams done the past two off seasons? Brandin cooks, Robert woods. Josh reynolds. They add receivers upon receivers upon receivers guys that can do, you know, higby it end and low and behold, the and also, you know, some stuff on the offense of line into Whitworth being one but lo and behold Jared Goff second year twenty eight touchdowns seven interceptions third year thirty two touchdowns twelve interceptions. So it's not rocket science at. Yes, the era was trending upward in terms of superstardom for Jared Goff. I do not put him in the same stratosphere as a Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady or others. What I do put in as a very good quarterback. That has an outstanding supporting cast. He could elevate in. Superstardom? But the Rams you gotta give them credit. They brought a lot of help to him. And they read that raised his game while he did raise others as well. But. That's something you've got to look at especially in this in this process the scouting process. I think in you use that you mentioned that about Duke Tobin talking about getting faster on offense, potentially adding more pieces. Yes. Exactly. And another thing too. Everybody is always saying well don't was only as good as players around him. What about the coaches, you know, how good his with different coaches have bad? We have -solutely have gotten to take a look at before you just get rid of as he needs to play under this new coaches and see what he's done what he can do is stand have been too good at Cincinnati doesn't bleed. Like, I said think of risk, you know, on a rookie of mmediately. Go ahead and cut belt drinker. Patrick. Anti. I know I know. Yeah. No. I gotcha. I just I'm laughing because I know I know your your thoughts on Drake your Patrick. Hey quickly before before I get you out of here. John just just to get you before we get you out on the outta here. I wanna I wanna tell you about Drake. Her catra stats in case. You haven't looked them up recently, my friend. This last year twenty twenty eighteen zero interceptions. Okay. Zero interceptions. Twenty seventeen one interception. So in the past two years. He's played twenty seven total games and has had one interception. So. I mean, I I don't have that off hand. But it's it's relatively high. I think it's like fifty million thing pack be wrong. Well, my point is, you know, I talked to you about. You know, we we we joke about. For cadre in your thoughts on him. But really he is not going, wait. I mean, that's just that's especially especially in in. We can we can sit here and bag on Terrel terra Lawson all we want, but his defense was supposedly, you know, made to create turnovers, and he wasn't even doing that. Then twenty nineteen his cap hit is almost eleven million dollars net this next year. John ten ten point nine million according to track. So there you go. So that what forget a lot of money just by cutting him. But then you also you also need to, you know, think about resigning Denard and others to, but John we're gonna get out of here. I appreciate your call. Thanks. What will hopefully talk next week or in the near future? My friend. Okay. I'll touch. All right. Thank those John from Kentucky calling in again, thanks to or callers. Texters? We've had a lot of questions we're going to get outta here. Again, this is you went to black insider Bengals podcast. I mean because you heard earlier from my other co host John Sheeran. Unfortunately, we didn't hear from Scott Solti. We thought we might. But he is probably going to be joining us at some point here and there especially as the draft comes in. Because you know, you want talk Bengals he's excited about things to he. And I exchanged text there. But our thanks John for calling in while he was at the senior bowl. No rest for the wicked there, you can get this show on itunes, Stitcher. Google play. 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Let's Ride: Where the Steelers go from here throughout Free Agency

Behind the Steel Curtain

40:32 min | 6 months ago

Let's Ride: Where the Steelers go from here throughout Free Agency

"Support for this. Podcast comes from progressive. What would you do with an extra eight hundred dollars. Buy a plane ticket. Pay down your student loan. Treat yourself to those shoes. You benign with progressive. You could find out drivers who switch and save save an average of seven hundred ninety six dollars on car insurance get your quote online at progressive dot com and see how much you can be saving national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey to save with progressive in two thousand nineteen pittsburgh steeler fans. What's going on. This is jeff harvey editor behind the steel curtain. Dot com with you for another episode of. Let's ride on your wednesday morning. Look this is my life mail bag and they are. This is i can't be on. I gotta be honest. Even during the season have not had a situation that was like this fans are distraught. They're distraught for so many reasons. The players are kept the players that have left. It's just a situation where you're wondering. What are the steelers doing. I've had several of my writer. Dai crew come out and say the i think the word that might have been used the most throughout all of this has been brutal just absolutely brutal and it's not so much that the losses that they've concurred are really really bad to the point that it's going to be a detriment to the team but i think a lot of it is just some of these players were kind of like the heart and soul of this organization and to see them. Leave is it's a gut punch. It's an absolute gut punch. There's no better way to put it. And i have to be completely honest with everyone. This is being recorded live on the locker room app. And so if you're if you're not on the locker room app in your ira us user. Make sure you go to the locker room app. Just search locker room downloaded for free. Create a free account. You can join me. Every tuesday night for my wednesday podcasts. I record it and run it on wednesdays but still my goodness this is just one of those situations where the fan base seems to be really wrecked. They seem to be really bragged. Put out the qna. Twitter got a ton of responses people that are just like what are the steelers doing have people tuning in live on the locker room apps. So if you're listening live and you want to talk just throw out a speaker requests. Be glad to have you on. We're going to go back and forth between live conversation as well as dipping into the twitter. Mail bag let's get started with patrick on locker room. What's up patrick. How's it going. Good man how're you doing. I can't complain. I'm assuming you're a steeler. Stand your logos at celtics. But i'm sure a steelers guy right. I'm not as soon as gone. But i do. Have a steelers related question so her big niners die so you know that's fine. Go for watching the steelers right now in the whole juju scenario. It doesn't look like he's committed to come back. So what what do you think that. They're gonna do to fill his gap in the offense. I know they have pool and they have The other water there Thing it was. Johnson that's really good. But i feel like they're still going to need another piece on the offensive end to help them out and in a second part to that is Where do you think do fits best on our team since you've been watching him probably more closely than most. Yeah so let's start off with what the steelers are going to do. I if there's one position on comfortable with the steelers drafting. It is wide receiver. They've been like a wide receiver. Factory under kevin colbert for a lot of great great players. That have come. Second third middle round picks that have turned into tremendous. I have no doubt the steelers will be able to withstand a juju smith schuster departure james washington deontay johnson chase claypool. They did bring back. Ray ray cloud. I think he'll have a role in canada's offense but ultimately. I do think that the steelers are going to have to draft a receiver if they lose. Ju ju i'm not gonna michael bag or deputy editor. He said he's got inside knowledge. That juju was offered a one year deal in pittsburgh to stay. Not sure if he's gonna take that or not by the time. This is published on audio side. Eight might already be done deal but still in terms of where he fits. Best tatra dancer. A question in my opinion and i've watched every single snap of his career since he's come into the nfl with the steelers. He does best when he has other weapons around him. He's just not a true genuine number. One receiver in a lot of steeler fans will say that's blasphemy to the trump teen degree. But i still just don't he doesn't have the speed. He doesn't have the route tree and he doesn't have that. Here's a big play threat. But he's always never been that he's gonna take the top off the defense type of player and so because of that. He has to have someone around him. Debt can distract a defense. He did his best work. When antonio brown was drawing double triple team triple coverage. Every single time he ran passing route so the one thing you have to understand about juju is that he can fill a very big role for a team. He's a great middle of the field. Tough catch get those yards after the catch. He's tough as nails he valuable. I just don't think he's number one so if a team picks him up what they're getting they're going to be. I think they're just going to be disappointed to be honest with you. Thank you patrick for that. If anyone else's on locker room you want to talk about the steelers or bring up something. Let's get it started will keep it rolling with dick. What's up neck was gone on a jeff So my question is around. The defensive tackle position I think a lot of people myself included kind of assumed that tyson alu was just going to be back this season with the steelers so after he signed with the jaguars. Do you think i guess. There's three options. Do you think they'll draft somebody. Do you think that those science wanna free agency or do you think they're just gonna roll with bugs. Well they also have. Carlos davis atop forget about him. But i i'll hawala was a guy that i said all along. I don't necessarily feel that. They had to make priority in what. Let me let me make this very clear to me by that. I was watching as everything was going down with the iranian. Bj finish and the salary cap space was just dwindling and even a two years six million whatever he got if the steelers feel right now that they can save money by not giving him three million a year. I don't even know if that's what it breaks down to just general terms and they can give that to someone. Let's say a center which i've been saying this for weeks if they can get veterans center. It's going to help them in so many ways than if they can. They cut vince williams. And so that frees up another four million. I think in salary cap space. So they're gonna use that to get a center. That's a really good player then. It's it's a sacrifice. I'm willing to make and i hope that makes sense. I hope it sounds good. I guess i'm just worried because you know a lulu was so important to our run defense. Mike helton was so important to our run defense vince. Williams was so important to our run defense and we see these three guys walk out the door. Not all of them right. Unfortunately vince is one of my favorites dealers got released But like that just really worries me like we can have the greatest pass rusher in the world but if we can't stop teams from running the ball you know i mean i know we have to it but are run defense was just generally a lot better with a lulu so i i feel like this is important position and i feel like i hope they address it properly. I would like to see them draft. Pick up somebody. I'm not sure. I mean i feel like this is kind of a new position of need because a lot of people did assume a lulu is going to be back so at least myself. I didn't really look into any free agent d. lineman or any draft prospect the until literally today after i saw the signing so. I'm not sure if you had anyone in mind that you've been looking at haven't because i look at the run defense an insulator. It's not just the defensive front you know i mean a lulu and cam intuit. They all have their role but missing. Devon bush was huge last year to. Let's not forget that. Like not having devon bush in the middle and vince williams is great but he always has to be with. Someone really athletic. Now roberts bylanes going to be back in twenty twenty one. He signed his restricted free agent or exclusive rights restricted free. Whatever the heck it is. He signed his tender. He's going to be back. I think now linebacker news up on the draft needs in so does defensive tackle i. I don't think that it's a high priority. Because i think you can find value and talent in the middle rounds. Don't forget they have that. They have some extra pick actually one extra. Pick a cop from j von hargrave leaving. I do think naked. It's a position they're going to have to address. It will be a free agent. That's kind of just kicking rocks waiting for someone to pick them up and they get him on dirt cheap. That is still a possibility. I don't have any player in my head but the steelers i trusted they have a plan. Exa thank you very much. I appreciate it. Let's go to our next caller speaker locker room but ten michael back yetter. What's up mike now too much. Are you doing just can't complain not at all. Oh yeah. I'm calling in today because you breaking news on the show. I don't have breaking news. Unfortunately but i did want. I didn't want to come. Say hello and johnson steelers. Football 'cause Not getting enough of it up here in the pacific northwest shocking. I mean yeah so. Let's let's talk about this. Because you and i are on tonight though said that we're going to die on this hill with. They need to get a veteran center. Who are some players. Your have your eye on. I know that the raiders. They just released. Their center was a pro bowl last year. I do believe yeah. He thinking man ronnie hudson that would be. That'd be really nice. But you know like i've been talking about this a lot. That's second tier wave man. nick martin. He's been on that Blocked for so long. I feel like he's going to be pennies for the dollar. Even if it's just a one year scab. I'd love that mov- i heck i would just take. I told you. I think that's genera slack. Channel i would just take alex mack. You know he's a veteran. Get two more years. You could probably draft a guy within that timeframe that it's just going to be interesting. What do you think's going to happen on the defense. I wanna ask you to have enough vince. Williams leaves so vince williams gets cut. Those one of the critic tweets that was sent out here. The streets go. i think is what he said. What's events going gonna look like you're missing hilton and this is something that nick brought up. Just a few seconds ago. You're missing held near missing al-ali now in vince williams. My gosh what. An won the rose that doing to the team needs. Yeah that really shuffles the deck and really. It's one of the reasons why i wanted to talk to you right now. I feel like this team like instantly. I think inside linebacker co shoots up that need board especially like Zaven collins being someone. I think could be available in the steelers drafting. I think the defense in general is gonna look a whole lot different year and just kind of be a little bit different philosophically but outside of that. And i'll throw this back to you with the question. I feel like running back is definitely being pushed. Way down the board here and almost it only thought it'd be hard for them. Take a first round running back But as of now it feels like you'd be hard for them to take her running back really with any of their early. Could you foresee them going to free. Agent market trying to find someone on the chief war. Is benny snell even enough now. Then he sounds on enough. I'll say that right away. But i will say that if they like let's go. Let's go tackle in round one. I'm not going to be upset. I tickle linebacker. I'm not gonna be upset there. Either if they have devante williams on the board of the second round and they pass on him. I might krylov it because it was the second round. It's not the first tarik. it's not the top pick. But my gosh he would be a great addition to that running back room. He's just such a tough runner. Good hands out of the backfield. I just think. I don't necessarily need them to get at t n or harris or even said that genes name right whatever Devante williams those three guys are on my radar. And i'm like ban if they can just get one of them but i don't want to reach and i don't think centers on the board in the first round anymore. I would be fine with college. By the way zaven collins a freak. And i know you've been touting him for a while but It this this chain is a lot. I thought that marquees pounds retirement changed a lot. It move my the center position. All the way to the top of my team needs shoot now. The the deck has been shuffled all over again. I honestly don't know what would the top what would you put it in. Your team needs cool center. It's got it's got to be the center spot. I think has everything. Yeah it's interesting. It's going to be there still a lot to be done. So if you're listening to this whether it's live on locker room or whether you are listening on the audio side wherever you get your podcasts or steelers behind steel curtain subscribe and follow you. Don't miss thing look at They are gonna make moves okay. I expect an extension coming but michael last question for alexa. Who is if you're going to give an extension to someone in an priority being to create more salary cap space. Who you given it to i. I think i have to look at the corners i steven nelson of course being the younger guy. That's probably the first place you look. But outside of that. And i'm still not against giving joe haden a couple more years as well Even if he lost a step speedwise his football iq still off the charts and then You could slot him inside. They have the need a nickel now of course And he could even do the rod woodson thing and perhaps play a couple years at safety using those corners. I think Well deserving more money some more years. I agree a hundred percent while mike. Thanks for step in and talk and we appreciate it Anyone else's watching live in locker rooms. You wanna talk to send his feet request. It'd be glad to get you on to talk about the black and gold in the meantime let's go over to our twitter. Mail bag. got a lot of questions. A lot of fans were just fired up Luca sims connoisseur. Not sure what that means. He's as how do you feel about the defense and twenty twenty one. I believe fans are going to crazy drafted high smith for a reason. Ken replace nose tackle. The didn't have a high snap. Count and resign. Resigned are other slot. Cornerback i think. They're all making a small decline that useful increase. I kind of agree with that. Take i think the defense is in. Like michael. Said is gonna look different. That doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be worse. That doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be worse so we're gonna take a quick break here when we come back off of the break i'm going to go back into the twitter begging also wants to on locker room. Be glad to have you talked about free agents. Maybe they're still out there. You know sustainment support for this episode comes from locker room the app. That's changing the way we talk. Sports locker room is sports. Fans dream come true. It's a live audio platform that lets you connect with other fans experts. And even the athletes themselves locker room makes it easy to start your own conversations. Talk about the latest rumors takes news and teams you care about most join massive watch parties for all of your friends to react together in real time as you celebrate a buzzer beater or suffer the agony of a crucial free throw. 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I know it's kind of crazy talk but if you take what and you say okay let's trade 'em like for two first round picks two second round picks like you do that now while you have the ability to do that you see what i'm saying. Now i see what you're saying for first things first. Let me ask you one question. I'm gonna follow up with another question first. Question about tj. What do you think the t. J. watt is a generational player meaning. You're only going to see. Tj watt once in a generation. Do you think he's a generational player. Yes but i also think next year he's going to ask for not just the branch the brinks truck the backup. He's gonna ask for the semi. Well hold on. Jim hold on. You answer the question with yes you never never never get rid of a generational talent in my opinion. It's ben rothlisberger generational talent troy. Would you ever have thought about that. But troy palmolive. He got paid trust me. He got paid but legal troy when he was in his prime. If someone said would you have traded troy for two first round picks in two seconds. You done it That's actually thinking about it. I would have said he has no. There's no way young trading troy no way. Oh okay but that's fine. Now let me ask you a segue. Jimmy i'll give you a chance to rebut okay. What does a complete rebuild look like to you because it's different for everyone so when you say what's it gonna take this team. You've done a complete rebuild mode. I kind of want to know what that is in your mind. Okay so if i'm doing like right now. I'm saying a quarterback. We need a one of the top five quarterbacks from this year we need a running back. We need a tackle. We need a defensive back because our second like car like nelson does. They're getting paid fourteen fifteen million dollars a year and they're going to be going soon to. We have no one to fill those spots. So it's like do we start looking at getting rid of these guys. I i understand that we got the defense. Now we're kind of looking and saying okay. We could do this. We can maybe mess around with it but are we just mediocre compared to some other teens in even in the north. That's why that's starting to do the change in the mood. You know like. I'm looking even at the for quarterback. I know you're not a big ohio state fan when it comes to quarterbacks but don't forget just in fields he was from georgia so he's not really a true ohio state quarterback now. Pittsburgh has a chance of getting him. I think you jump. I look no one's been a bigger supporter of dwayne ass. Come into the steelers in me. you can go back and listen all the shows that i've done. I've said that he is the one wild card and jim. The thing is is that when you talk about tearing it down. If i think they were tear down. There's there would been no reason to bring ben rothlisberger back to redo a deal. You just would have taken the hit. You would've eaten it and you would have said let's your trading away people. You're literally just dumping cap space. I just don't think jim. Thanks for stepping up and talking appreciated. Good conversation i i just don't think the steelers are that type of team that's ever going to say you know what we're gonna have like the pittsburgh. Pirates called it a bridge year. That's something that the pardoning i know a lot of people aren't pirate fans but they literally came out of the almost one one hundred games in a season. We're going to have a bridgier. What does that mean guys. That means we're basically calling this year off and we're just gonna kinda just coast and hopefully do better the year after the steelers are never going to do that. They're never going to do that. And as much as fans might wanna play madden and say hey. Let's just everyone away. I just don't think that happens. I really. Let's go to brian miller brian. What's up hey how you doing. I'm doing great what's going on. Just as an intro. I i'll i will give you a quick story. I used to be a huge pirate fan. Used to live outside of pittsburgh. Now i'm in texas. But sid bream ruined all bring it up l. All i can remember is him with thirty five different elbow pads knee pads on and he could barely walk and he hits lescot almighty I hated he scored from second base. Barry bonds can throw them out from. Shell laughed in with a funny story. That if you heard this is that any events like who was my favorite player growing up. I loved him to death. He was tough as nails. Never wear batting gloves anyways. He said he looked over a bonds before that at that and he said berry move in a what very do we turned him and he flipped him off. And that's all i needed to hear and it's just like twisting the knife but this isn't a pirate show brides are what are you guys about the steelers. What's going on well and we all know here on here that we won't really know the position of all of the spots that we have available what we really need to do for the draft until you know another week or so and free agency at the very least but that being said. Do you think that the steelers are priming themselves to try to resign or sign back gentry eddings and if so if they do that. Do you think there's a decent possibility that they cut ebron and maybe fingers crossed. Try to actually draft a tight end sooner than the six around this year. I didn't tell you gentry's back. He's still in his rookie deal. So now i have to worry about gentry. Ebron is someone that if they were going to cut in they would save some money. Some have even talked about extending yvonne to save money. I'm not interested in that. I just i say extend nelson okay. You extend hayden fine restructured to it. That's fine too given Yvonne an extension. No thanks i'll pass. It's just something about the guy. Just don't think he's a long term deal in pittsburgh. I do think though the tight end is one of those positions. That is a team. Need that no one is talking about. And that's free agency. That's also in the upcoming draft and i think you vacant find my gosh ebron z. Athletic guy he's the one that they are they they've coveted this type of player for years and so now they have it but they don't have the other type of guy they don't have the matt spaeth you remember mats made just always with heath miller he was just a blocker and he was really good at it by the way they can even just get a guy like that it's gonna complimented offense better. They can run two tight end sets without having to put an extra tackle out there. Kind of tips. Your hand offensively. Let's also keep in mind. This is not just for you. Brian that anyone listening is that we have no clue what matt canada's offense is gonna look like pittsburgh in two thousand and twenty one so we sadly were the lasting image in our brain is rainy features randy land running amok and the butchering things. That candidate can have a completely different style completely. Different system but brian. I got to cut you off. Because you brought up. Sid bream so thanks for bringing that up through my evening. Let's get to nick. What's up a little off topic. But i thought it'd be kinda fun I was wondering who your favorite steelers draft busts. Whatever be and like. I have mine and i would love to give you mine. As an example like what i'm asking for example is Thank qwest golsen. Golden for i second round was obsessed with him. I was super high about him. I thought he was going to be the next like great thought on what he's going to be the next mike helton honestly and then gave mold minutes and then he so loved felton. But i was wondering if you have a favorite you know still bus. Like some guy like this guy's gonna be great and then he just stopped digging heroes busts by the way Let's see here's dealers draft bust. I mean jarvis. When i'm gonna have to go with one that's further back second round take out of the university of texas wide receiver. Lima swede because lima sweden. The second round. I thought this guy's gonna be legit. He's the big tall receiver. they needed. david looking for that since parks blueberries had left. And i remember. I think as year two or three and he had a ton of drops and it turns out. The guy had an astigmatism in his eyes he had he had vision problems and so he's like. Yeah i can finally see like oh my gosh how who's not doing their homework. They didn't see this in this guy. I mean i feel like that. Should be a routine physical thing. There and lima sweden has never panned out the biggest play. He ever made a bone crushing block on reception. I think to hines ward against the ravens. But other than that off to go with line the sweet. Let's get jim back to her. What's up jim. sorry about that. I dropped my phone and then the app got kicked off again. I was talking to you about justin fields. Now how do you feel about him if he's available if he's available lie. Gosh do you gotta take. You got to pull the trigger. Honestly there's there's a group of quarterbacks. I'm not gonna put mac mac jones in there. I think it's resin. 'cause i just don't want that style of quarterback especially in that canada's offense but if trae lance if justice fields and lawrence is not gonna drop that far but now if some of those players is some quarterbacks that are mobile they can they can also throw their available. You gotta you gotta go gotta go with it. And i've said it before they get around twelve if one of them falls. Is there's if there's not a run on quarterbacks everyone's predicting where they have five quarterbacks gone in the in the first ten ticks than it the steelers really think they have a guy that they see is the future you gotta be aggressive and you gotta get him now. Who would you take between a quarterback or collins that linebacker the middle linebacker. That everyone's talking about aiming if they're both available. Yeah if i think that quarterback to me you never pass up on a franchise quarterback because that could be your quarterback for the next decade plus so never pass a quarterback for a linebacker as just me. I understand where a lot of people would say that lined up to be great for this year. I'm looking down the road when you're drafting a quarterback you're looking at a guy that's going to be your guy for the next like i said ten plus years. Don't pass on that. So i think yes. Yeah no problem jim. Thank you get to billie joe. What's up billy gel. Joe you there billie joe you there. Hey what's up. Man they I was wondering The raiders released their center. What do you think about him. Well they can afford him i. We were talking about that earlier in the show with michael if they can afford it at that at that center knack other centers are out there. I believe there's only been one center. That was corey lynn's lindsay that actually got They got picked up did their centers out there. Had i think the steelers need to find the one eight that they can afford number one and also the one that is going to fit their offense scheme the best. This is where matt canada's offense comes in adrian klemm the new offense of line coach really really important really key so i would love if they'd picked him up but i don't know if they can afford that to be awesome. Yeah yeah yeah. And i keep hearing things about you know. Vj feni being you know. Rumors being steeler sitter you not. I just don't think that is their plan. Is wondering what we're gonna do. I hope it's not their plan. If their plan is b.j. Sunny then the steelers have issues. They have serious issues. because he's a great backup. He's a great flex player. He and z ass now. My opinion are very similar. they can play center. They can play guard. The my gosh. They're going to need to get that center at some point. I hope that's what they're planning banke. Billie joe appreciate you stepping up. And let's go over to twitter real quick and let's get some of these questions answered at a lot of questions from my rider. diet crew. Brian haynes says jeff with all these free agents leaving. Do you think we're waiting to surprise. Some big news i do. I think there's going to be a couple of big news stories coming up whether it's a extensions. Maybe another player cuts make sure behind the curtain dot com said on your browser. The you know where it is. Check it out on twitter because we're going to have all the late breaking news for you. Brian also has what do you feel is our biggest loss. So far this offseason. I have to be honest. I think that Looking at all of those looking at the list of players ever gone. And i have to say that i think i think it's probably bud dupree to be completely honest with you buddy free people. Don't they will underestimate how good he wasn't run defense. He did a great job. He did a great job. I think that's where i'll go dan. S what free agent center would you like the steelers to pick up. We kind of talked about this already in this episode. Also what positions your predation for. I john hashtag. thank you ben. a look the centers. There's so many out there right now. Be okay with them. Getting in terms of the pick the first round tech. I am going to honestly go with defense. I think they're going to go with the linebacker. I don't know what it is there. Something that tells me they're going to go defense and they're just going to. It's kind of like just towing the company line. Laurie longtime listener says we knew hilton was leaving but signing with the bengals really hurts. What are your thoughts on this jeff. I'm gutted knocking ally essay writer. Laurie i love how you have your emotions on your sleeve every week. You know he'll leaving. I knew it was going to happen. If you listen to my podcast on friday. I predicted he was going to leave. And i didn't think he was going to stay in the division but if he's going anywhere in the division go to cincinnati because i don't like their defense anyway. I think mike hilton is going to struggle in that events. They don't run the same style as the ravens were. They would really utilize him. So hey good luck and cincy. That's what i gotta say. Good for mike helton though not upset with him at all got paid david. S how do you. How did you keep their defense from falling apart expected all this free agency but it still hurts especially hilton to the bengals. Yeah it's going to be tough. The defense is gonna. This is gonna fall in my opinion on. Mike held mike tomlin terra lawson keith butler to those three gentlemen who are really the three that run the defense to put together a plan that says we have some changing personnel. Here's what is gonna look like this year. So with vince. Williams gone with mike. Helton gone with cam sutton in camp sutton veteran. Coverage vince williams. You're hoping to get more athletic. Linebacker alongside denver bush. It could be okay. Dawn say it could be okay. Paul as wildwood a day until now do you think the steelers signing a cheap veteran nose tackle or do they address this need in the draft or is it. Carlos davis season hashtag dyke ru paul. I think both isaiah bugs in carlos davis are going to get the opportunity to win the job honestly. I don't think they're gonna get a cheap nose tackle. Don't be shocked if they find. I say it now markle tape. I won't be shocked to dang mccullers find his way back. I hate to say that. But i honestly feel like i would be shocked if dan mccullers finds his way back into pittsburgh. But you know they'll see this new defensive. I speak of might not need a nose. Tackle lucchessi hamptons. Not coming back folks. There's no need for a casey hampton in today's nfl. In this type of defense so keep that in mind. Mitchell asked with juju most likely gone all all lugano hilton garden inn. Depre- on who should the steelers go after the fill these voids. Okay with juju gone. I don't think they get a veteran. They're not going to get one right away. They're going to get one of the cheap. So maybe it is. Someone like danny amendola. Who might be out there or someone of that ilk in terms of debris. It's alex highsmith. He's already there. mike hilton. They signed camp sutton. He's going to fill a lot of those responsibilities in then you have. That could be in house. It could be in the draft. I don't think people should really freak out just yet. I really don't vince. Williams hurts but not for the onfield stuff for his leadership in for being of really good follow on twitter as well. The phil asked. Let's just educate why steelers lead walk. That sixty million a year was way too high for both cap and talent. Assessment reasons it. That's what i said. All along bud dupree was gonna price himself out of pittsburgh. It was going to come to the point where they are gonna have to make hard decisions into pre was never part of the plant in because of that everyone that everyone has a brain between your ears should have known that budget pre was not gonna be back in two thousand twenty one okay as he okays in steelers resigned. Camp sutton factor compensatory ticks. I i don't think did signing your own free agents back does double check college on friday for sure. Tanner myers is. What do you think of the state of the airline. After the dan finney signings. I don't even count any because i don't think he's gonna be a starter the right now. You have banner. I would assume is your tack or a core for flops over. Those two are interchangeable dotson center question mark decastro and then either a core vander. How do i feel not very confident. We'll put it that way. I think they need to make some news. There zips asked with all hilton gone. How high priority do you have defensive. Line cornerback in the draft. I think that they move up the list. But i don't think they skyrocket all the way to the top signing sutton was so big and i can't stress that enough. It was really really important for them to keep camps. They did. We all knew they could only take one of the to sutton was going to be cheaper. And that's probably why they went that route. John wilson says at the steelers are terrible and ben sucks this year. Do you think tj while won't wanna sign for any amount of money. He's such a competitor. Kinda makes me think that he won't sign hashtag writer. Dai trail You know what. I don't necessarily buy that. Tj watson competitor. I don't think he's gonna turn his back on the organization especially if and when the organization says we're going to take you possibly the highest paid defender in the nfl. Gordon benzes jamaal. Williams logo looks like he might consider black and gold. You can see the logo on my twitter feed. It does look pretty similar. I'll be honest austin gates. Should we look at drafting a defensive tackle high because all walla was gone. Hashtag rider died. I think you want to look into drafting defensive. Tackle but not high. I don't think it's a situation where you need to make this your top priority. There's going to be talent. Their trust the draft trusted organization. I think that's what he knows. Best so and then a lot of people were just saying it's brutal no hilton. No allahu what the heck are we doing. I've learned throughout my years of covering this team. And i've been doing it since bud. Dupree was drafted. And that's when i started to become the editor of i'm steel. Curtain dot com. And i gotta be honest folks. I've learned that you have to trust this organization. Kevin colbert's back. You gotta trust that. He's gonna make the right picks. I've said it a million times. This draft class is gonna be really important. They need to get some starters out of it. Not all of them. Look at two thousand twenty. As a perfect example. Six picks three of them turned into starters claypool highsmith and dotson if they can do that again in twenty twenty one with eight six. I think they'll be just fine. I think they will be just fine. So keep that in mind folks. Don't forget that let's get back to a couple of calls before we before we call it a show here. Let's go back to nick. What's up neck. Hey jeff we were talking about tight end earlier and how that's a really important need and And i was just wondering Kyle pits basically. I've heard some people say that he might be the best player in this graph that he's just like a crazy good athlete but again. Because of all of the highly touted quarterbacks there's a chance he could slide. Do you think it would be worth trading up to get a player like hits. If if i suppose if you really believe that. He is as good as he's touted to be. I think he's really good by the way. And i've seen him a lot from watching film of kyle trashed on florida. He's really really athletic. He's really. He's a good player now. I'm not trading. I'm not even doing devon bush type trade to go up and get him personally but there's a lot of people that are really high on him and you have to ask yourself if you were to get a player like that. Then what's the use of someone like ebron in. How does that work and again. I always come back to this fundamental aspect of. We don't know what matt candidate system is necessarily going to look like in pittsburgh. We can speculate based on what he's done in past teams an experiment every single place. He's gone if you look back. Nc state maryland is brief time at lsu. Every single place has been different. Every single place has been different. So okay anyone else wants to speak on locker. Room can throw in a speaker request. I'd love to have you on otherwise we're gonna call it a show and it looks like we're it that's good. It was a great show. I think everyone for joining me. Nasc- champion back here. Next tuesday from the live bag i appreciate everyone and remember behind the steel curtain dot com should be your one stop shop for all teams pittsburgh steelers in wherever you get your podcast. Make sure you find us steve. Search steelers or binding steel curtain. You'll find behind the steel curtains audio platform you'll get. Let's ride every monday. Wednesday friday the live. Mike on tuesday steelers static on thursday. And all of our podcasts. 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The Orange and Black Insider Bengals podcast: Primetime, nevermore

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The Orange and Black Insider Bengals podcast: Primetime, nevermore

"Uh-huh. Hey, everyone has going. This is Anthony Kazan's and John Sheeran with the orange black insider Bengals podcast. We are so happy to have you with us. Once again, this week in we are happy because we're talking about a one star and not an Owen. One start as. That game kind of got off to a little bit a rough start. And yeah, hey, now, and they've got a big game this week on Thursday night on a short week. And I know we're hustling bustling John. How are you, sir? I know. You've been putting in a lot of work on the dot com website and we as we all have, and but we're all trying to also celebrate a pretty big win right officer. The office kinda screwed us to tears in a row with these. Thursday night games. So a lot of lot of stuff going in and out in the beginning of the year, but it's exciting. It's more football and in the span of four days. So it's always good. Yep. And this, this one's gonna be special, talk about that and just just a little bit about the Bengals taking on the ravens in helping us to preview the game. We hope is billerica from. Baltimore, beatdown, Espy nations, Baltimore, raven site. He should be joining us here pretty shortly. So I will will help preview that game. Obviously, the Baltimore Ravens looked incredibly impressive in their in their first game of the season absolutely dominating the Buffalo Bills, and I believe now we have our. Our guest biller there. I'm here how we doing good. How are you sir? Doing well before the game? Yeah, absolutely. We actually just kicked off the show, so perfect timing on your part. They're glad you were able to make make some time for us tonight. We were just literally the last sentence that came out of my mouth was how dominating the Buffalo Bills the the win over the Buffalo Bills was for the Baltimore Ravens in week one. I guess what I want to ask you is because Bengals fans in preseason week three. We got a decent look in that dress rehearsal, dress rehearsal at the bills beside that that is probably going to be a team that's gonna struggle throughout the year, but how much of this was an absolutely dominating performance from the Baltimore Ravens, how much of it was the bills just aren't that great. And how much of it is weak ones? Just a wildcard in general teams just kind of sometimes don't find their groove until a little bit into the year. I expected a double digit win. I would wouldn't expect forty seven to three, but the bills are not a great team as we know. And I did expect the rates to show well, all the signs in the preseason and in practice pointy to improve deem. Very in. You know, Joe flacco taken a lot of heat over the past year or so. Some of it warranted, some of it not. He did have kind of a little bit of announce to typical year last year, but he looked pretty dang good in the opener here against the bills. He hit a, I think, a nine or ten different receivers in three of them were tight ends. Obviously, he's got the new wide receiver weapons. How big of a difference are those positions this year? And how big of an upgrade are those compared to maybe twenty sixteen twenty seventeen out. Certainly upgrade Mike Wallace had a good year for the ravens last year, but Jeremy Macklin was a major disappointment. John John Brown nicknamed smoky Brown is is a playmaker that they've been looking for titans are pretty much the same group right now because the first round rookie Hayden, Hearst is currently injured but the but they definitely added some weapons in most importantly, flacco is healthy. He suffered a back injury before the season last year, hinder them all year. Yes. He mentioned the flack bilious us in general. I consider even though he looked really good, they have the more Jackson at back. He got into the game because it was a blowout. Do you expect in in maybe some of these scenarios going forward? Maybe you know, you guys are up really late in the game that Jackson gets reps, or do you also expect that there's going to be an increase in packaging plays against the team, Cincinnati, maybe struggles with speed out of the backfield. I think we're gonna see Lamar Jackson packages right away. He actually saw maybe five or six snaps on the first few series before the ravens had the game in hands and they were particularly effective, but just giving a little, I can't eat to the defense something else to distract them. Something else to make them concerned about, I think is beneficial for the for the offense. Talking to Bill goes at Baltimore beat down the SP nation, Baltimore Ravens site happy to have him with us to preview the big big week to Thursday night football, matchup ravens coming into Cincinnati, their home opener. And both teams are wanna know, and both teams have pretty nice wins this first week of the season Bill. What what does the Baltimore Ravens either fan base or those that cover the team? What's their view of the Bengals of. I guess right now because number one, we all know that the Bengals broke their broke, the ravens Hartson week, seventeen. Last year, you know, it seemed like a gimme game for the ravens to get into the playoffs that didn't happen. And then now the Bengals made a lot of offseason adjustments as did the ravens. Both teams are one annot Cincinnati. Recently, I did did a little research Cincinnati basically since that last, if you remember Bill, there's a Monday night football game in twenty twelve or the ravens absolutely dominated the bangles since that game Cincinnati is eight, three against Baltimore. So is this, is this team starting to be kind of? I don't wanna say fear necessarily by the fan base, but what are what are kind of the thoughts of the Bengals of late amongst the ravens faithful opinions? Definitely mixed. Some do not take the Bengals perhaps it seriously as they should. I personally do for the Bengals. They definitely given flop. Though the most trouble out of any team in the entire league throughout his career. He actually has a negative touchdown interception ratio. He fares much better against Pittsburgh, New England. Some of the other heavyweights what you look at the wreckage use the Bengals roster of a lot of playmakers playmakers receiver on upgraded offensive line. And then on defense, that defensive line is is very strong. I think that's a match up that that concerns me frankly, tomorrow night. So I am not taking the Bengals lightly at our can guarantee you the the team, the ravens are not either. Yeah. You mentioned the Bengals of alliance three around often flying. My biggest fear is the ravens defense alliance. The Bengals offense us a lot of question marks on offense align and consistently the ravens defensive line has given the Bengals offense line troubles in the past Bengals fans typically associate the ravens whiff defense. But I feel like there is been a little bit of turnover in terms of personnel on the defense in recent years, who are. A couple of guys that maybe bingles fans aren't to where they should be worried about, going up against what we hope is improving offense, but against what is still known as a very solid defense. Sure. Guys, the return basically their entire defense from last year and meaningful addition is the slot cornerback take on young who was hurt towards ACL before the season. Last year. He had two sacks last week, strong cover, man. I think he's gonna do much federal Boyd than the ravens were able to last year. Couple other young up and coming guys, Matt, Jude on is an outside. Linebacker is probably going to be going against your right, tackle Bobby Hart. He hit, I believe, eight sacks last year. Another edge rusher, Tim Williams, Alabama didn't do a whole lot. It's first year last year, but he had a fantastic pre-seasons Brazil speed, and then the other rookie or shooting. Second player is more than Humphrey. The cornerback is really coming on. In a big way. And I think most ravens fans are hoping he'll be able to do a pretty good job on AJ green at while Jimmy Smith, our top corner suspended. I want to ask you Bill about a specific player in. It may seem random, but I live on the west coast and this guy I thought was a very good football player. He now appears to be, I think on the Baltimore Ravens practice squad, but Nico, Siragusa, offensive lineman way, which San Diego State. I thought very promising prospect. He was hurt. And I think that's probably playing into the situation here, but does he have a long-term future? You think Baltimore is he or might put the off base? He's not under practice squad on. He's on the practice squad. He. He was one of the funnel cuts to last preseason as as talking, you know, remembering how many injuries, a raven said he toward three of the four delete nigga, excuse me, ligaments in his knee all at the same time, which is very hard injury to come back from. He actually looked okay in the preseason, but he didn't quite have that stamina may decided to keep the backup offense of lime in two or three of them had a little bit more positional versatility because he's mostly guard. But the, I think the ravens are hoping with another few months to recover that he can become a play for them down the road or perhaps be promoted some point later in the season when they need some depth. So what I found interesting last week is that you guys drafted Hayden hers in the first round. And you still have three pedants who had believe over thirty yards receiving against the bills. It was what Marquette injuries, NICD oil and max Williams, I believe. Who did you see like one of those guys when hearses out establish itself as the main guy in terms of target share in? Who do you who do you think is most likely to have a better game against the Bengals. Tomorrow night, Thursday night. I think Nick boils probably the best of the bunch right now, but I think they're going to need him to help chip on that right side. James hurts to right tackle. He leaves a lot to be desired. So considering that, I think Mark Andrews probably has the best chance to break out a little bit. He's a rookie still learning, but he did make a couple of nights grabs in traffic last week. So I think he's probably the best the best bet. Talking with biller goes Espy nation, estimations Baltimore beat down the ravens website through the network. There. Bill. I mean, if you talk tight end, so obviously if you saw anything or read any of the stat lines from the Bengals game against the colts, you would know that that was a major issue for their defense this year. This while it's been years. But this last week was it was a major issue. What are what are couple of keys that you see the couple of biggest keys to a ravens victory on Thursday night as team square off number one starts up front, no question. They're going to have to block that defensive line. The ravens had James Hirsch at right, tackle somewhat surprising. The ravens gave him the starting spot over rookie third round pick Orlando Brown was great in the preseason and Hearst the he had a tough game against buffalo really has not played well most of his career to be honest. And we're also breaking in new center Matt skirl, formerly undrafted rookie free agents and Gino Atkins. I mean, Marshall Janda's one. Of the best in the league as a guard and Gino still gets him on occasion, you know, to all pros going head to head there. And then even some of the younger defensive ends Willis Lawson. I think they have some potential do some damage. So that's the first key. Second key for me is going to be coverage of the Bengals targets. And in particular Tyler, I for the ravens have had massive issues covering tight ends in the past. I think the new defensive coordinator going to stack the box, do whatever he can take away mix on the ground. Don't be surprised to see seven, eight, nine guys on the line and some of that kind of organized chaos. Creditor style look. And I think is going to be the outlet valve and Tony Jefferson, the strong safety, Eric Weddell. They're not great covering tight ends. And then I think the last is gonna be turnovers, seventy five eighty percent of the time the team that wins a turn of a battle wins the game, Joe flacco recess. Has had a lot of trouble protecting the Balkans the Bengals show. Those applied the three keys off the top of my head. Awesome. Bill in before we get you out of here, your prediction on the Thursday night football game and your prediction on how the rest of the raven season baby plays out, especially given now that you've, you've seen them play four real game in week one. If you wanna call it that. You know this game go either way closely match teams to give the edge to the Bengals on short week on the road twenty three, twenty Cincinnati ago with four regular season. I think the ravens are gonna be somewhere between eight and ten wins. So I think it's kind of where they are. They could grab a wildcard who knows. Maybe they win this game. They wanna division Pittsburgh's outlook into great right now. So we'll see. But I think they're right there where they always are very competitive fighting to the last couple of weeks. We I, first of all we can all enjoy the Steelers, tears. I think. Everybody get enjoy that. Secondly, even though the Bengals ravens are bitter rivals, personally speaking, I have an immense amount of respect for John Harbaugh. I think he's he's a fantastic coach and he always has his team right in the mix towards the end. I think I think most bands would agree with your take in terms of the score either way. I think it's going to be probably pretty close except for the fact that my God, those Bengals just do not show in primetime very often. So hopefully for at least from a watch ability standpoint, you know, we'll have that to look forward to, but how can they find yourself Bill Jones, social media, all of that stuff. Absolutely. Damore beat down a website. I go by Vassily my my full name lessons pronounce Laura's, and we have all kinds of content for the Twitter handle is at be more beat down. And we also put out our own podcast, ravens Centric twice a week with my co, slow Logan, Levy, it's called tickets. To the Bank. We know Logan. Well, he's been on this program before too. Great guy. Tell him Hello and Bill. Thanks so much for coming on. Thanks for your time. Enjoy the Thursday night football game tomorrow night. I think it should be a fun one may not be the prettiest of games but should be close in an AFC north slobber knocker. Right. The no-doubt, Marc pleasure guys take lots of luck with the new venture. Appreciate it. Take care. That was Bill. La- Rico, say, I've kinda mispronounces last name there. I apologize Bill, but great guests and helping preview the big upcoming game against the Baltimore, Ravens, Cincinnati, Bengals, Baltimore Ravens. And you know, it's, it's gonna be a, it's gonna be a bit of a slug fest, I think. And. We'll talk a little bit more about our takes on the on the ravens game towards the end of the program because we wanna kinda get now to. We wanna get now too. The. The Bengals win against the collateral. You know, back up a second. Let's Becca. All all. All right. Now we have been. There's been a number of different big announcements on this program over the past couple of weeks maybe month. Some of which have been in the form of great guests. The recos being won a couple of Bengals grazing, nuno's willy Anderson being others. But we now have a a little bit more news and it really shouldn't affect our listeners too much think at all, it's still new to to John. I in terms of logistics. But this podcast has been officially picked up by the Espy nation, national network of podcasts and. We cutting ended at it last week that was maybe something that we are looking at doing, but it helps us expand our growth that helps us get potentially more listeners into the program. Get you listeners more guests different guests. And higher quality. I, you know, I know luckily cleaned up a lot of the the sound issues in the past couple of weeks, but that's been a couple of times. It's been issue. So we wanna make sure we give you the most high quality program. We think that the support the official support of Espy nation behind this as a national vox media's Espy nation behind this podcast will make it a great one, and we hope to continue to bring you good stuff. I'm very pleased that my co-host John Sharon is officially on board to continue this show. So John your your thoughts on the new venture here, it's a little, you know, kinda dipping our toes in the water. It's a little. It's a little nerve wracking, but I think it's it's overall definitely for the best. Right? And this doesn't happen without, you know people, thousands of people listening every week in supporting us and giving us good thoughts, participating on the show thing makes us show grace that we have listeners who are engaging in the conversation. I think some of our. Best content at least on here is just interacting with those listeners in creating good discourse about team that we all follow. As long as we have that continued support, we should be indigo, and we hope that we can continue to earn your support going forward in a while. We, while we try to make this a lot better going forward. Yeah, absolutely. Echo those sentiments and you know this, this is a listener driven show. We, we. We come on here and we talk about things. We give our opinion analysis, but we really try to get the the opinions in in the questions from our listeners in, I will say this not only listeners of this show in the readers of cincy jungled. Many of our both. Bangles fans are very, very well educated in football in very, very passionate. They can sometimes be a little knee jerk, reaction, est myself included, but they are some of the more well educated, at least for my opinion or well, educated fan bases. They they know bit more of the Xs and os than the casual NFL fan. And I think we appreciate that we appreciate the support of many of you who have been listening to this show either from day one or recently, whatever whatever the case may be, maybe just stumbled upon it because Espy nation put out a. An announcement on Wednesday about this. So we're excited about it. The the format of the show really won't change the, you know, we're still going to be talking where we'll be talking to bangles. We'll be doing all that stuff is just it. It's gonna be available on more on more platforms than I think we're gonna get a little bit more accessible to higher profile guests in whatnot, which is which is a plus for us in the program in the obviously, I'm stoked that John's on board, we will probably still be having our old co host from time to time Scott shows. He probably will still be popping in checking in with us here and there. So were you know still? So similar show? Same show, just new platform and all that kind of stuff. So you can still get this show on tune. Soundcloud. YouTube were on Stitcher, Google, play app, all that. All that good stuff. And that's gonna continue. There's also. A new platform called art nineteen air t nineteen where our stuff will also be housed in a believe that's going to be accessible through for listeners as well. So just another additional platform for for folks to to get this program. But we thank you for your support. This program would not be growing without talent like John Scott and other great guests. We've had this program as well as the great amount of listeners that we have in. Obviously, now what's what's kinda cool for us as we've seen a increase in downloads and all that kind of stuff because the team is doing better because excitement was high. This preseason his offseason. So reaping the benefits a little bit which were stoked about, but we appreciate all of your support. We wanted to make an announcement officials is literally came out today. Being Wednesday would be usually the court. So anyway, good stuff and appreciate the sport. Can't thank you enough, John. Let's let. It's now again, rewind will rewind again a little bit just because. For bills ability. We had to start off with breathing the ravens game, which was awesome. He, he brought the knowledge. I love it and he's pretty realistic ravens fan. I like that. But let's let's backtrack a week one. Okay. And I guess we could start big picture, narrow it down a little bit. Big picture question that I want to start off with for you. And again, it's it's kinda one we've done. We've asked before in the preseason and all of that, but what do you, what do you make the win here? Because. At one. I mean any Dalton's first pass attempt. Good Lord. I mean, I mean he was just I was honestly like really. And we'll talk more about the offense of line. Billy price was involved in in that play in there. Some conflicting things about that, but. They start off that way. Then they come right back and get the interception on Andrew locks true for well, I mean, is I statistical passes. Other pass was batted away. There's a penalty. All that can stop right. Then they get the ball back, move down the field and you're going, okay, then there's all this a little bit back and forth. In all of a sudden, then the bangles are looking at a thirteen point second half deficit, and you're going what? What has happened to this team, what what's going on? And then if flurry of big plays occur, touchdown touchdown to AJ green big, big plays from Joe mixing, and then he kept it off with a one yard. Touchdown run in, of course of the Clayton federal him strip recovery in touch. So is this, what do you make this win this? Hey, wait a show. Fortitude way to come back. This team has a lot of talent, especially, you know, at those at the skill positions on offense to be able to come back from any deficit, or is this, hey, we don't even really know. Who the colts are at this point. Andrew luck hasn't played football in a year. Let's let's pump the brakes on the optimism or a little bit of both. I mean, I don't know eleven point victory on the road week. One shouldn't really be overshadowed in diminished for what it is. I think we have to give the team credit for that in big picture wise because three four points on the road in a venue that they haven't won since I was one years old. Is actually insane to me. So from that same point. Yeah, big picture. It was a good win. Obviously there's not. It's not one hundred percent positive still glaring issues on his team, and I think that we saw offense that looks exactly like what it is in. It's an extremely towns, one with one or two Glenn weaknesses that have the potential of drastically diminishing the performance overall, luckily didn't have him because the colts defense isn't that good. And the biggest thing I think is that you know, Bengals fans know the Bengals town has never been an issue in terms of winning football games. This usually just been mental, fortitude, coaching, lack of second happened just minutes. But this was just a game where we saw the more talented team have that see that talent takeover when it meant the most in that was converting third down. So it was stopping in July on a legal sack. After an unfortunate penalty, it was aged green, overcoming his mistakes, late in the game. It was Joe. Nixon, continuing all throughout the games. Look like first round pick that he probably should have been without off field issues aside, and it was. It was just, you know, it was cleaned federal him stepping up in Sean Williams absence when he got objected in making the play, the game, it was all these things that you know, we don't usually see the Bengals typically do we kinda see that talent overshadowed by a lot of, you know, mental mistakes that end up making them lose in that was just not the case on the road week one. I think we have to give credit Credit's due. I agree with you and I do waver on this bit. Okay. Because I, I look at it and I go, okay, vast, vast improvement from the run game enjo- mix in from last year? Yes. Joe mixon had, I think one or two one hundred yard rushing games last year, but to too far more attempts and he was just consistently getting yards for just just far more consistent. I thought cordy Glenn, and we'll talk more about that about the offense of Lyman defensive lineman. The weekly Lyman with John Sharon in a little bit. I thought cordy Glenn play very well. I, I liked the fact that. In the positive side is look at, you know, I was looking at last year schedule and results. They had four of their losses for of their their nine losses were were one possession, or you know, minimum points riot and in at least three of those in those games. I'm talking about titans Steelers. Gosh. Blanking now, but Packers in Texas Packers Texans. Okay. Those are all possession losses. They suffered last year. They had. Oftentimes in those games, especially Pittsburgh Green Bay, they had big leads in let them go. This time they fell behind in Claude all the way back in and got it in that, that to me is a very big switch of mentality that I like to see. And I, I saw a lot of even though they were down, I saw a lot of high effort plays, and I think none more maybe than a couple from Tyler Boyd jumping on yet. Another AJ green fumble late in the game, extending a play with AJ green to convert a huge third down later in the game in those are things that go over looked, but but you see, it, you go, okay. Those are high effort plays in in in those games, especially the ones with the Bengals got blown out last year. You didn't see that kind of stuff. You saw. You saw a lot a guys that that hung their heads and all that kind of stuff. Now where I waver on the other side is theoretically the Bengals had a four point lead. I believe. Late in the game and. Luck is driving, they're driving and even up to the point of the oil fumble, it was a third fifteen and if he doesn't have all he's got, I down, he's right there. They let it let it happen again. That's a little worrisome because Dan that turns into, I think he had forty seconds, thirty seconds, something like that to try and get into that. We know getting into the end zone in short areas of the field is. You know if it can be difficult, but. I think I think a little bit, you know, you say, in eleven point win on the road. Yeah, on paper that looks great. But this game was a lot closer now down, then the score, and that's what makes me a little bit hesitant and you know, we don't know how good the colts are going to be. What we mentioned earlier with Bill week once kind of a wild card in terms of what you mean by the way, if any, if anybody is in survivor pool and you pick the New Orleans Saints like this idiot right here, head. You know, that will they'll tell you a lot about week went, but I don't know. I am. I just overreacting, have I been a fan to have watched too much Bengals football and being hypercritical, or is that something Rigo. I don't know. Not not at all. Not at all his those losses last year. You mentioned the Packers specifically. They had leads the NFL's such a quarterback driven league in in those two games, obviously had the lesser quarterbacking facing in Rogers neurons burger. That was the same case on week. One end. You luck. You know, even if he hasn't played football in a while is a more towns of quarterback than any don't, and you'll explain at home. He's playing, you know, you know, with the lead, it's it's a situation that definitely favored the colts. And yeah, you have the credit thing to coming back and doing some that they don't normally do, and that's be team better quarterback. But again, yeah, eleven points. Seven of those came on the final seconds of off of a fumble recovery for a touchdown. I, I don't know if the colts get in the end zone there because the Bengals even so predicated off of bending, not breaking and typically some of the strives individuals. But yeah. If you have reservations about this when I pull understand because I'm still on the fence about whether this team is truly changed. This is just a good step forward in the right direction, but they're still plenty of more tests than they have to. They have to overcome. Because again, we saw those issues early on that they were able to come back this time, but in another in other games, more Townsend teams that may not be case. Yeah, I in as we mentioned earlier, huge tests this Thursday night already in Baltimore Ravens in. You know, it's a team that the Bengals have fared well against recently, but it's still a going to be a tough game. And again, we talked about in in this is something we'll talk about a little bit about the the ravens when we talk just a tiny bit you and I about the ravens game the primetime thing. You know, at some at some point eight, you got you gotta be able to get past it. You gotta be able to win those games against those good teams and not clench up. That's why I think, you know, that's why I think good performance in an potentially win. This Thursday will go a long way in kind of seeing how the Bengals season will go in twenty eighteen, but. I wanna talk a little bit about. In this will be part of our colts recap the John Sharon weekly lined by the way, if you if you haven't seen this on cincy Jong dot com. It's a great John does every week, at least every week. There's a game and he actually has got some fancy new graphics on the on the post there. I don't know. I don't know who is in charge of doing that gets Rebecca until yeah, the fancy schmancy. So Rebecca's come up by the way. Rebecca has come up clutch for this shows while she helped introduce us to Willie Anderson to get that interview going, so props to her. But anyway, if you haven't watched it really cool thing from John here I wanna talk about and it's based obviously about the offensive linemen and the defensive lineman. What I like about this is this is such a an Xs os thing, but the. What I was saying is what was kind of cool is this is this is something that you really do quite a bit researching and a lot of film study in based on some of the guys the trench work, it stuff that gets overlooked at stuff that gets bypassed in terms of. You know what the casual NFL fan or casual fan of a team sometimes doesn't see. And I guess where I wanna start is the the, let's start with the defensive line. Okay. Gino Atkins played very well against a guard that is going to probably be a very, very good player for a long time in Quinton Nelson. Probably the best player in the twenty eight draft to be honest with you in terms of solid ready to play right now, all that in long-term by ability at thought. He played pretty well against went nosing. And vice versa. I mean, they, they kinda had a little bit of a battle, but I think Gino had had a couple of nice plays. Carlos Dunlap also had a bunch of nice plays will be one on a. Really phantom penalty call. Why don't you talk about those two guys? Maybe what you saw out of them and your thoughts on. Maybe not an expletive laced rant on other penalty. Yeah, it was. It was a lot what we've seen in years past with Gino and Dunlap kind of kind of carrying the fence line in terms of generating pressure. Don't let pedigree match of off the right edge against leaves to Marcus Webb at right tackle. And obviously it's it's favorable to laugh and he got you got around him off the edge, typical instable finesse approach. And yeah, I mean, the the one you know, lay hit on on luck ni. It was. I, it's whatever this is the nature of the game. Now with luck coming back from injury, but don't let play well, obviously did end up getting the legal sack after that that landing on the quarterback of the full weight and stuff, but Gino and when else was very intriguing because it was just a case of like the tape that Nelson had wasn't bad. It was just genus on a whole 'nother level than ninety. Nine percent of the fence entitles are in the NFL and it's just matter of Nelson being twenty two and him going college. Three techniques in destroying them in pass protection in Gina, being thirty years old and being the beasts of many is in you just saw that difference of NFL strength walk into the NFL Quinn Nelson. You know, it was not anything bad Nelson really did. It was just he is. Yeah, he's never faced anything like that before. So he held his own. Can you hold his head high because gene only ended up getting like one real sack, but it was just. You know being Jean-Ann. I'm so glad he's locked up. Yeah. Yeah. And, and you know, it's at, we talked about a. I kind of feel foolish about it now, but couple episodes ago, you know, we're talking about air, these guys work their contracts and all of a sudden they come out and just explode in week one on the flip side, you know, this Bengals defensive front has often been vaunted for its in praised for its depth in rightfully so there's a lot of talent there. Karloff had a breakout your last year. Jordan Willis seems to be guy who is very talented. Then they drafted in added Sam Hubbard upfront, you know, Ryan Glasgow's kind of defensive tackle. They can get the backfield. But a lot of those Glasgow had a couple nice plays Willis had a pressure believe in quarterback. It really really quiet day from the the rest of those guys. And you know, that's that's definitely not going to be a weekly thing, but I was kind of concerned about it is, did I miss some some bigger place from these guys may be in terms of pressures and stuff like that? Or was it just a somehow? They, they got shut down. I mean, Sam Hubbard was the guy who was I think, in at fullback when mixed heaven down so will. But. I think things fans loop back in the game, and they think of like, you know how the cold softens looked. It was like the first the first kind of comes to mind is just like luck, you know, kind of evading the pocket and throwing over the middle, and it's base that was basically the theme of the colts offense. Little entire game luck extending time on his own maneuvering their own pocket, and finally get the ball out. And part of that was because the Bengals Jones winning most of their one on ones. It was just they're facing a very mobile quarterback who's able to extend time there. And unfortunately, this time dangles depend on Lawson Johnson and Willis. They didn't end up finishing the pressures and stuff, and so it looks bad on the on. The box were about the film kinda tells different story. But regardless the, you know, those guys definitely definitely need to step up in, you know, going going forward. And I think against the quarterback, like flacco does not the, you know, the mobile guy like luck. They might have a better chance of that. But I think with with Hubbard like. Terra Lawson said like, he wanted to get him in the game works for like seven snaps on defense, but he won the game more because you know, guys retiring out. But yeah, like that was the whole thing. Like the defense was out there for h. u. snaps. Albert only gets on seven. It was kinda kinda weird to me how he didn't end up getting their rotation to like the final series of defense in. That's that's gonna be key because glasco was the only other active defensive tackle behind Gino in billions. He ended up playing both those tack win three technique. So definitely definitely wanna see Howard get more snaps inside to rotate him with Johnson at defensive tackle and defensive end going forward. Yeah, I, you know, again, I saw them and wisely so they kicked Johnson inside. I think I think that's a role that, yeah, you know, maybe I down what would have you can contribute against the run in a nickel situations you bring him in again on the interior need to be ineffective player. We saw that happen on a few occasions last year. I guess, boy, offense of line. What I saw there are so many charts and things that I've seen, and I have quoted them on some of the post I put up the now says, post on city jungle. The left side of the line. I thought played pretty outstanding. Billy price up and down in the right side line. Now, I did see some nice polls from Alex Redman Billy price. I saw them get out in space and make some nice blocks to spring Joe mixon on some of those plays, which is great because last year that was in the case. I play the game. Billy price looks to get bowled over to cause that terrible interception by Dalton. If you see if Allah, Dan, horrid onto Twitter, he posted a video believe it was on Wednesday talking it showing that he may have as he was absorbing the block trip over Clint bowling's foot regardless not a good look. But I thought he played better than bowtie I mostly ever did for the for the. I don't know your your thoughts about the the play up front. I thought blend was very good. I thought bullying is his usual. I think he had a penalty though, which was kind of he had a false start, which was a bummer. But they were, if you look at the chart of how they were running yards per carry, average to the left was amazing. So your thoughts on that. I think you're Sussman is spot on with over gonna see going forward because it's hard finish guys to really change the are. And when downtime Bobby Hart. It's it's it's hard to allow mortgage hunt to Saxon game, but hard made made light work of that gave him a career game with that. I think what we saw is gonna be kind of how they're gonna operate with this going forward in that, you know, doing things normally when running to the left but running to the right, I think they're going to prioritize getting both pricing remnant ounce face because I don't think they can just run simple outside zone to the right without exposing Redmond in in heart specifically in also price for getting Reebok's on this nose. As I think. Power schemes with price Redman end zone on the left is going to be kind of the thesis going forward. Running minute definitely worked against the colts, but Colson have exactly a great run defense in. We'll see, you know how good they are against the ravens who are much more formidable, much more experienced facing that unit, pass protection wise. You know what? What what we saw as probably will will we're gonna get that was getting the ball out really quickly on most of the plays. But another problem with, you know, in the past past protection is that receivers weren't getting separation early on the routes in that forestall onto the ball, but longer than he should. And production doesn't hold up from more than three seconds with Obama off of lying in an Saxon are allowed. But now we have receivers in John Rawson Tyler Boyd, obviously, green, I for who are getting open quicker and plays developed, much faster in protection, doesn't. They aren't exposed to the level that were in the past couple of years, but they're still getting, you know, the ball in these quick slams screens RPO's and that's gonna help often line getting get into rhythm in not allowing any of these pressures. But what we saw talent wise in how they looked, probably we're gonna see them for the rest of the year unless they make some crazy acquisition out of the blue. Yeah, you know. And I, I felt like I was being pretty hard on eighty don't which I guess is easy to come by. You look at his stats seventy five percent completion percentage, two hundred forty three yards. Two touchdowns one. Terrible interception in one hundred nine point seven rating on the road. I mean this isn't. I mean this has a little bit to do with the lineman, but I mean, are you least encouraged by that in what you saw in terms of protection schemes in his ability to hit so many, he hit his he he hit three tight ends as well zone. Tyler effort was great. Tyler Reifer make some make some catches take some hits and get right back up. John Ross one catch one touchdown surpassing his rookie totals in both of those categories. AJ green, NADA great danger of ball security, but made an incredible catch in the end zone for a touchdown as well. Some others across the middle and whatnot. Are you encouraged by schemes drawn up in how some of these guys. Is at the skill positions performed based on that. I think Bill is made a statement and that was, you know, though the game, the opening script was amazing with the offense. Unfortunately didn't last throughout the first half because a couple of turnovers, but I think he's doing a great job of getting these guys using their strengths that they had I for running a wheel route fullback of play action, which was incredible to see these green green Boyd very well slot in out of the x respectively. Obviously, mixing did wonders with what they gave him on the ground with dawn specifically. I think his complete percents little bit skewed on he was as accurate down the stretch as he was think the couple plays green in mixing with one catch kind of kind of bail amount a couple of years. But I think that's they're so talented at receiver running back in time that it by not matter. They have guys who have insane catch radius is in insane, separation skills that dumb. Doesn't have to be in Rogers type precision level of accuracy in order to get over like seventy five seventy two police percentage going forward. But this is kinda who need on is not precisely will get in in the area and as long as he has talent around him, that can make those incredible catches than it should be going forward yet. Nice comeback win for him. You know that he didn't start off game wells who mentioned but than other guys didn't do him any favors. But you know, they put it together. They won. So. Gotta like that overall grade. If you had a grade the Bengals defensive line and in their play and the offensive line, the groups play. I would go b minus for the -fensive lime because shut down a non-existent running game, and they did better than I think the box where would indicate pass. Rushing offense align that I would go see average. I think for the most part, they have on cleaned the had a handful of obvious mishaps pressures in whatnot, but run blocking was was good. And I think mixon's I, I think mixing losing ten pounds of the offseason really made a difference. He'd seen much more nimble and maybe made some some run blocking look a little better than what it was, but I wanna see, see minus for the things off. Fair enough enough. And I think I think most fans get agree with that. And I think if that if the Bengals can up that offensive line to a b. minus plus area throughout most of the season, I think this team will be okay. You got, we got got understand our four new starters on this offense ivine. So regardless of what you may think about talent level on the right side or what have you. Number one, very few teams employees. First round picks at every at every single offense line position. And you know this, it's a, it's a unit that needs to build cohesion, whatnot in. You know, again, I like I said four new starters and. We'll see. Do you think that the Bengals get itchy trigger finger if things aren't looking well on the right side this week in terms of right tackle? Maybe Jake Fischer, maybe trade Hawkins. I don't know. Do you think that happens? Do you think they're going to say, hey, let's stick with what we've got. Let's try and build that cohesion. I, I don't know because I Frank Pollack and really have to go through this in Dallas. So I'm not sure if there's a president with him because he's there, like, you know, like we, we saw last year like they did that with all Zander, but he's not here anymore. We just don't really know if this the staff is going to have a have that we saw last year. You know, Zan peasy score up two games he was out. So if Bobby Hart plays as as he did against a much better Raymond's pass with longer rests in were time to prepare for the Panthers in week three, we could see Jake Fischer were such way right? Tackle week three heart doesn't improve in. I guess that is possibly. I just I can't say with any conviction that. It's likely under line coach that we just don't have a lot of exposure to. Yeah. Well, good stuff is always John good, good stuff on the weekly linemen. It's on cincy jungle dot com. It is. We're gonna make this term make this. It regular part of our program is well, because I think it's very worthwhile and you do a lot of in-depth analysis in in. It's stuff that does. Those are two position groups, even though they're not the sexiest position groups as to position groups that a lot of bangles fans are watching this this year for a variety of reasons, both because talent and because of new faces and all of that stuff. So. Good stuff from you. I appreciate it. We're going to open up the phone line in just like give us two or three minutes guys and we will. We will open up. You can also you can say detects now for sure, but if you're gonna call and give us two minutes, nine, four, nine, five, four to six, two, four one. 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Nine, four, nine, five, four to six, two four one is the number to call. So let's talk before we get to some of these listener questions. John. Let's talk a little bit about this game coming up against the ravens. I struggle with where to begin in terms of what to talk about with this game, especially since we had some great insight from biller goes earlier recos believe it was. I guess again, we'll go macro and bring it down a little bit. How important? I, it's an early game division early game in the season and the schedule. It's against a division foe a team that has also wanted, but. How important is it for this team for the Bengals to win this game? Is it? Are people going to be like now now out now you know now off the ban leg, or you know, is this just, hey, still early a young team progress as the season goes on, I don't know. I think fans keep it conservative approach either way because to knows great. And typically, like, you know, if I guarantee even blouse but significantly more increases your chances than if you're going to one one go. And that's just like the, we seen them has ten years, but yet it's the visit game. It's at night. It's not technically primetime. This on will never, but Brennan, whatever. I, it's a proud game for for all we're concerned about, and it's against a team that has, you know, nine months ago, we knocked him out of the place and they're definitely going to have that mentality like, you know, the team wronged us and we're trying to trying to even the score. So I think all those factors in there, it is important game for just the culture of the team, and you know the message that they were trying to convey this entire offseason. This is one of their first test to see, okay, are they legit? His is short week, it's it's a home opener that got the Super Bowl, the super team old, their pre game in. You know, we saw Arrison and this exact we last year against a rookie quarterback in the now, we have a quarterback who the Bengals typically do well against the quarterback doesn't do well against the defense. It's a game that talent wise. Again, I think more talented than the ravens, but this is the division game in the Bengal often doesn't Dulles in in particular in recent years, doesn't do well against divisional Ponant s- all those factors combined, I think if they win great. But you know, you shouldn't put your best into the Super Bowl depending on how they win. If they lose than it's, it's just it's just coming off shore week against the division opponent who maybe has more to play for in terms of them missing ploughs because of last year. So I think people just have to just take a step back afterwards and just not go all the way on each side dependent. What happens? Theon? I mentioned earlier the the last time these. Faced off on primetime was the first week of the twenty twelve season. Very, very bad result. Granted was in Baltimore, but very, very bad result for the Bengals began. Score was forty four to thirteen. They got up slightly shellacked on prime time. But since. Things are eight three, and it's one of those things were Marvin Lewis. He's he done well against the Browns who hasn't, and he's done well against the ravens is not done well against Pittsburgh at all, but he has. He has found a formula that you know before his arrival, the Bengals were awful against Baltimore's well, when he was defensive coordinator. So you know, he's found a formula to to have have a winning winning. Equation against the team deep Dubai into that? Yeah, I think do. I don't think it's specifically because he's coach there before. I think he's just some of the specifically on on the defensive side of the ball. I think the ravens have never been that good scoring and in with flacco at the helm, and obviously he's had received troubles of the past will not have new receivers, and you know, maybe, you know, maybe maybe we'll see a different ravens often facing off against the Bengals and you know. Maybe with those factors, we see something different from them. But you know, typically history kind of prevails when we're talking about the Bengals and it'll just be ill, just test is this is the should win this a team that there are more talented than, and I think that you know. Their success should continue just a matter of, okay, are the extra to do it. Yup. And the primetime thing is a pretty big deal. We've got a call on the line. John is we're talking a little bit about the ravens game. It's it's Terrell. I believe it's called into the show before tro. How are you sir? Equal. Yeah, good to be seen. Good question of basically. Really. This year. Amazes are really filled the. New coaches. Listened. Louis as a second half adjustment, amazing. Out the. One of west room, uneventful. Yeah, good. Good stuff. Dro- I'm gonna. Let John answer your question to take it off the air. Thanks buddy. Yeah. So I think. With Marvin coming back. I guess people maybe fought that maybe he's gone more power more influence in the organization and with that kind of inverse effect, whereas receive more influence from maybe the position coach in office according to kinda taking over, there seems their their views on how the how the, you know the team should be operated with whatnot. I think we kinda saw that and week one. We saw Bilas offense completely. You know his, his completely new seem, you know, take full of twenty seven points who saw Toronto have not as much success, but still some positive signs, towns personnel, Frank Pollock's influence in the office line was clearly seen with in a way he's gotten out of new additions one, nine. So yet I think there was some tangible differences just from week one off Marvin. But again, it is week one. He's been for sixteen years in typically like to take the history over just, you know, just this past game, but regardless, you know, maybe we're seeing that change when was a good start. Yeah. And if you listen to. Our interview with Anthony ios. He was very high on the Bengals assistant coaches. He he was. He was a guy who was really adamant about the hires lost in all that he thought were great hires would help Marvin Lewis out immensely. So great points by Terrell there. I believe we have a good good old friend from a long time ago on the line, a gentleman, maybe not so long ago. Gentlemen who used to call in a previous podcast I was involved with is John from Kentucky. Oh, well, sir. It's been too long since I've heard from you. I remember you. And. You on January. Colin, appreciate a appreciate complement their, obviously those guys, they're the true. They laid the path out and taught me lot about podcasting, all that. I still keep in touch with those guys in Nick. Nick has gone on and done another soccer podcast for the f. c. since natty FC Cincinnati team. So if you're into soccer, definitely check out that podcast, but great. I'm so glad that you are still continuing to listen to to what I do in this podcast. What can we answer for you tonight? Craven. Have all on time. And what do you think. Are. Back. Early on. Crowley. Now. I agree with you on the on. The one could debate with the adjustments. Were you know it? It kind of depends, but. Definitely a different team in the second half and all that alleged John talk to before before we get you off the air John. I just I just wanna ask, even though it's been in I, I don't really ask the colors questions, but I want to ask you since you've been on other programs of ours in talked to a number of times, do you feel even though it's just one game, do you feel a bit different about this team than you have over the past two years when it's been a little bit of lack lackadaisical. So I'm gonna. I'm gonna kind of flip your question on you before I let my co-host co host talk about it as well, because I thought I mentioned, I don't know if you heard this in the program. John. I mentioned that the Bengals had four, four of their nine losses last year were by one possession and a couple of those. I think most if not all they had big leads and they let him go. Whereas this this this week was a lot different in the fact that. They were down thirteen points in the second half came back rallied in, like you said, maybe it was the adjustments. Maybe was an attitude thing, I don't know. But are you feeling better about this team than you did in twenty sixteen twenty seventeen. Just based off of this one game. Available for a long time and are on. You know, he'll have a band, your baby. Pal. Team play. Ready. Good. Go to Dr. Park assad. Or mar- your son as just this game on her game day. In that arms, say maybe. All about. That one. Jumped way all I can add the dean. The have been able to do the past that is burnt bio game and Paul Brown. They want big bird. The LA Bengal plough on or. They really got. Crown and game what the game of the entire playoffs. It was in in for a variety of reasons, both positive and negative John. I'm gonna limit co host John. Sharon, talk a little bit about your question as well. Thanks so much for calling in John great to hear from you. Everything going well. I'll try to call it the next podcast and. At day. Star from Kentucky, longtime, longtime connection. In my podcast history, very cool stuff. Quite honestly, I think I've spoken with John or or heard from him for about the past four or five years. So I'm pretty pretty cool. He's awesome guys e sometimes I don't know if he's still does it, but he's he's a trucker and listened to the, you know, the late night stuff and. Anyway, listen to the podcast. So your thoughts of what he had to say about second half jesmyn and all of that John. Again, it's. Kind of similar question to Terrell kind of answer. It's this week one, and you know, I typically like to think that you know, Marvin Lewis, more Marvin Lewis is Marvin. Lewis is in one things might be a little bit different. This is still he still does things a similar way. And again, like they don't have enough problems being more less talented teams in the culture. Definitely that and they might not have been the ravens because they're not. They're not at the town of the Bengals despite beating the bills by forty four. So again, I, it's hard for me to completely jumped ship and drink the Kool aid in thick. Marvin Lewis is completely changed after fifteen years as the Bengals coach. But again, it was it was good to see. And I think John is probably the only person in the world who Bengals fan in the world who would like to see the Bengals Steelers and playoffs anytime soon. Yeah, I feel bad. I should've asked him how he feels. Well, yeah, but I feel bad about I really he is a an old school Bengals fan. I'd like to hear. I'd like to hear his thoughts about, you know, the Bengals getting on getting their thirtieth anniversary team on the field this week. So we have one more caller is chasing on Stein, Jason. How are you sir? Job. The Super League days like that severely. Yeah. Well, what can we answer for you tonight? Call the dead. Subjects per second. John John, though my head. Vienne, so hit play. Stroke. Guitars. So. We're. One of the of the law and the Saul. The roads emission job. Cool. Yeah, connect connect me via the YouTube chat and all that. And you know, obviously, we love we love promoting what our listeners and other guests do. We definitely want to help you out. So I know I know you've contacted a couple of times about that with your dad, what you're doing, which I think is really cool. Any any Bengals related questions we can. We can answer for him before we get you off the air. Oh, man. So so. So are you talking here? That's a good question. Are you talking like. Like nineteen eighty ahead like the Bengals lettering on the side of an orange helmet, or are you talking like the just old school like bloomer, Saizen, plain black jersey just little bits little striping on the one side. And. And that. Yeah. Panel. Pre pre. Yeah, I agree. We're gonna. We're gonna talk a little bit more about this off the air. Thanks, thanks, Jason. If there's something we can do to promote what you and your data doing, hit me, hit me up off-line, the OB insider Jimoh dot com or on Twitter or something. We'll see what I can do to help promote which going. Bye. Bye. Object survey. An big mega visit video or Christmas. Go. Yeah. Give a give them our best for sure. What you think about it. Really, if. Yes, checkout would Jason is doing for his dad chemical, but really, if you, if you listen to what Willie Anderson said last week in our interview in terms of throwback stuff in terms of honoring pass in terms of all that stuff. As long as Mike Brown's air. I'm not sure that that's happening right now. It's not anything anything in the past, the sides besides the operation, the team, anything honoring things that happened before Mike was, here's it's not gonna happen ashamed because every team with history run the league has at least once dawn to throwback jersey and the Bengals have literally best throwback jerseys of all time. We've never seen since they've changed in two thousand four. So the shame but no, Brian gonna happen. All right. Yeah. And I mean, hell thought it was kind of creative that they did the color Russian week one. I thought that was like, what even even that was risky for Mike around, but there's a lot of cool stuff that the team could do a ring of honor and all that stuff aside, we talk if you wanna know more about that. Here's a little bit of insight about being a bangle. Any Bank was great. Go go check out our interview last week with interstate thirty cool, but. You know, there are older uniforms they could do. You know they're still old school Bank where the Bengals literally written across the side of the orange helmet, they had the the nineteen eighties deal. They could do that in God. I mean, they could probably do that sell some more stuff out of the pro shop. I mean, it would probably help them. So I don't know who knows? I don't expect to happen anytime soon, but we'll see. Let's get outta here with this John over running a tiny bit over. It's a text message we received in it is. It's kind of it's kinda gonna go into Mike, my asking you of your prediction in how this game's gonna go on Thursday night this. It's from mixing, and I don't know if mixing a screen name or not, but it's from mixing in says, do you expect any Dalton to have a good game under the lights. Baltimore Ravens. We've seen him woo woo woo against against the ravens. I will say this. He aged green have had some gigantic dome against against this team, and I go back to. I think it was at week three in twenty fifteen a game. Again, they were down and then they came back and there was that crazy throw. He made AJ granary broke, like three tackles. Becky was nuts. There was a twenty fourteen overtime game where they took it to overtime on a hail, Mary AJ, green. If you remember that one. So I expect that connection to be working in working well, but does that mean age Andy? Dalton has a good overall game because he doesn't normally play play well in primetime. In what do you think happens this Thursday night as the Bengals host, the ravens thing you plays similar? Tally planning applications can be with a law. We haven't really talked about is that don't didn't do well under pressure against any Nablus was actually one of the worst quarterbacks last week facing pressure against a subpar passer sheen in Indianapolis, obviously Baltimore's a lot more guys who can get after the quarterback. All sack more than two times like he was against Indianapolis, had he responds that will be the determining factor of, you know, the overall flow the offense. I think they're gonna try to rely on mixing throughout the game. But like like, like guest Bill said, the ravens are probably stack the box to take that away from laser has to adjust. And you know. You know, just use that numbers of ends against them and try to read the bullets the boundary where they don't have their best quarterback, Jimmy Smith. He's still suspended, so definitely buy stock in green. He's probably gonna have a couple of plays like he always does against the ravens. I think it's gonna be a very up and down know performance throughout the game. But on the box score might look somewhat similar Neapolis, but maybe a little bit worse because he's going to have some problems facing pressure like you always does. Yeah, I did. I did see him. You know, like I said, it was hard on him last this last game, then you look at his stat line is pretty good, but I did see him bail out in plays early, did see him get now a couple of times it ended up paying off one. I think he ran for first down barely and another was broken play. He made to Tyler Boyd late in the game for third down and play the game fun. We never seen before step. He kept his head up, you know, he and saw what was going on. So. You know, I like you said, I think I think there's gonna be some frustrating moments, but I think there's gonna be some wow moments. Ultimately, I think the Bengals may be squeak. This went out just based on recent history. I mean, if you go, okay, the eighty three record since first game in twenty twelve against the ravens or the terrible primetime records. So you know, there's something's gotta give their. I'd like to think that based on what we saw last week, this is a little bit of a different team than than in past couple of years. So you know, maybe in a pretty ugly, you know twenty to twenty two eighteen or twenty three twenty or nothing that we all know. Thursday night games, especially the very first Thursday night game can be kind of -ly. They're, they're short rest. Again, teams are still trying to figure out who they are and what they wanna do both sides of the ball. So you know, I think it's, I think it's a win. Maybe they had to Carolina to Oba, but we'll see what I didn't. I don't know if I got a score win-loss prediction from me. Now I think to your point, the first game is always in the early season. They're always these completely got off a light totals less than thirty points or they're like some lopsided, you know, amazing victory from one of the teams, and I think we're gonna see the former in this one because they're obviously familiar with each other in pink. I think them really Bologne each other out in recent memory, I think is always been like close games and early in the year short week. I think we're gonna see something in the low twenties high teens may be in the liner, now's Baltimore minus one. I'm kind of being towards Baltimore winning one score game just because not exactly a hundred percents sold, but the Bengals definitely because the more talented team in just gotta prove it. Yeah, I love that point. You just made about the close games in it. I think it kind of piggybacks a little bit. What I was saying in terms of the twenty fourteen overtime game the wacky twenty fifteen game where the Bengals kinda had lead. They had to charge all the way back all that kind of stuff. If your member some of the games with Steve Smith, there were some crazy games when was a raven that were back and forth, very close. So this will probably be a nail biter either way. I would think. We'll see though as we go forward. Any final thoughts before? Well, before we do final thoughts. Let me let me just reiterate that this show can be downloaded on soundcloud YouTube. I tuned since he jump dot com. Stitcher, Google play up missing. I don't know, but you can also get the stuff on Twitter and out, you know, get in touch with us the OB insider Djamil dot com and all that good stuff. So like I said, we're growing little bit because we've been Dopp did under the officially adopted the national Espy nation. Umbrella of podcasts were pretty stoked that, so you should be able to get this program in number of different areas in were pretty excited about that. John. Now, final thoughts. My friend just real quick on the day after the first game carcinoma football life will premiere on number same channels. The game I was able to fortunately, I was given access to watch it from someone from dot com. Varying formative, definitely check it out. If you have a certain perspective on Carson Palmer, Mike, it change because you really opens up. He's not the kinda guy who you know, allows a lot of people into his life. So definitely check it out. He gets chance it might open your eyes a little bit one. Talk about that. If got about that won't talk to you about that a little bit tonight, but I also didn't want to spoil it right, ready buddy. So we can talk about that next week. I think it's a good good topic in. For me, Carson's kind of odd odd dichotomy in terms of emotional attachment to to Carson because he went to. He went to a high school that I ended up coaching out. He went to USC, which I'm partial to in terms of college sports was Bengals quarterback in the lead them to, you know, some great seasons. I've actually actually attended weddings out here where he's been a guest, and people were wondering if I was going to confront him about certain things. They literally asked me that. And of course they did not. But you know, so I got kind of a, I think most bagels fans do a little bit of love, hate relationship with them, you know? And I hope that this thing this documentary on him, I plan on watching it. I hope that this shines a little bit more of a light in terms of why he left why he wanted to leave the circumstances around that he has been both to his credit and discredit. He has been very quiet about that ever since it happened. So I think a lot of fans are going what what the hell happened. You know, and they kind of have some ideas. There's rumors and all that. But he's been like whatever I moved on. So I'm very curious to see what that is. I know you got a sneak preview Kurdish who is the person to Senator from NFL dot com. Do you remember? His name was was Andrew's. Last name would. Injure Howard. Okay, very cool. Very cool. Yeah. So be sure to check that out on on Friday. I just I don't wanna get on a soapbox or anything like that. I just my final thought is just. As we record this show. We are one day removed from the seventeenth anniversary of nine, eleven John. Apparently you were very young. I didn't. I didn't know quite how young you are, but you you divulge that earlier in the show you're very young. I was younger, but not as young as you. Just it's it's a time of a lot of divisiveness and I know what's kinda cool. What's very cool about this show is we have a lot of people from outside of the country that listen to this program down though this program which I am so stoked about, obviously being un-american sport and all that kind of stuff. I'm venturing to guess without doing demographics quiz that most of our listeners are in American are Americans. Again, I don't make this political or anything like that. It's just a very divisive time of people are very quick to snarl eighty other about their views and all that kind of stuff. Just kind of keep in mind that you know almost two decades ago when it worse, things that has ever happened to this country happened. In this country, even at that point was a little bit divided. They weren't pretty stoked on that president either, but they rallied around each other and some good things occurred. Some healing occurred. Some other subsequent things that people may not agree agree with occurred. But you know, just very important date in in US history and keep that in mind and. There's some stuff about servicemen and women in terms of cops and firefighters stuff. If you go back and see what those folks did in New York that day in and elsewhere, you know, they, they stepped up big time in a lot of sacrifice, the lives in head families and all that kind of stuff. So I guess I just kinda wanna say, reflect on the date. It's an important one in American history, and you know, hopefully things in this country get get a little less fractured in terms of you points out, people are treating each other and all that. So I don't know. I just kind of wanted to keep that in mind. I was thinking about that yesterday and I didn't wanna be on my soapbox too much John. I hope I was not, but I don't know. I just I vividly remember that day, I guess because it was about nineteen years old and you know, I just vividly remember kind of. Pulling into college that day, all that kind of stuff in. Very, very surreal guys. You you must have been what like five, six hours else. Five yet grandma that day us who's a veteran aboard too. So I was wanted members actually. Yeah, I'm sure I'm temple old yet. It was he. Yeah, I'm sure he's pretty emotionally out. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Well, I don't. I don't wanna the program on a sad note. I just I just football. The I know seriously, I just wanted to say in, let's let's be good to each other. You know what I mean? So with that being said, the Bengals take on the ravens in very important game on Thursday night football in week to John. I think it's going to be close when we'll see who wins in. We'll talk about it next week on cincy junk podcast. The orange black insider bangles podcast for my co host John cheering on Anthony. Thanks so much for tuning in. Thanks so much for your calls your texts in all of your contact with us. We'll see next episode cruciate it.

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Steelers Post-Game: The magical 2019 Steelers season comes to an end in Baltimore

Behind the Steel Curtain

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Steelers Post-Game: The magical 2019 Steelers season comes to an end in Baltimore

"Pittsburgh steeler fans what's going on this Jeff Harbin editor of behind the Steel Curtain Dot Com with you for another angle another and the final steelers post game of the two thousand nineteen regular season as the steelers season is officially over. They got embarrassed today at Mt Bank Stadium by the Baltimore Ravens. Final Score Twenty eight to ten and we. We have a lot to talk about But first before I've introduced my co host which is not Lance Williams. He can't join the show tonight. This game was technically meaningless because Tennessee Titans beat the Texans incidents where they were in a win and in situation I bring in day Scofield. HAS IT Gone Dave. You Watch the game you. You know how it's going. Brian Anthony Davis. I swear I am so glad I turned out tickets for that game. I would be in jail right now. I would have probably fought somebody and it's not all because of the way. The steelers played which was criminal but it was just the fact and I'm a peace loving dude. You guys all know that I get along with everybody. But though the way that they conducted themselves in purple was just irreprehensible and I am beyond on words. Well we always started and I'm sure you'll listen to the post game show. Dave does We always start with knee jerk reactions in. I Know Brian writes. The article was published online this to occur dot com. Check that out if you haven't yet Let's start with you Ryan. You obviously have a lot. You WanNa talk about in terms of Wang Harb's or let's our nickname for John. Harbaugh your thoughts on how. He coached the Ravens in twenty eight. Ten win first of all. I think he is a fantastic coach. And if you're just basing it on the way he prepares is team and and the and and how they win the I mean. This was a fantastic coaching year. They broke the record for rushing. That was the nineteen somebody Patriots Record But I just think he is. I wish you. I wish we had the bleeping machine because I'd like to see what I really think he is. Because it's not just a Wang. I hate this guy. I've hated this guy for years. What did you first of all you? You guys disagreed with me and I get it but the the fake punt on your eleven yard line. I thought was just the start of trying trying to rub it in and I realized they only had a nine point lead. But here's the thing. They knew that this team wasn't moving. They they stole how horrible Duck Hodges was in that rain. They knew nothing was going to happen. But when you go ahead and you throw the ball a bomb with four minutes. Some thirty seconds left. And you've got a huge lead and then you come out on the field at with twenty six seconds left or so and you go go for it on fourth down even. Rg Three was angry about that because he got picked off you can. He's like why we're even doing that. They called a time out. This was nothing nothing but trying to rub it in. I've imagined two thousand eleven when they were up twenty five twenty six on September eleventh opening day beating the steelers took doc and he went for a two point conversion late in the fourth quarter. This guy is a stark raving butthole. I can't stand him and you I should've heard i. I celebrated so much I celebrated so much when Hayden got that interception because it was like. They're yelling some stuff. My wife say what's wrong with you. Do they know they got killed. But it's just he's just that kind of jerk. I can't stand up. Well Well I. We talked about this via text message. The three of US I didn't have a problem with the fake punt. Is it classy. No do we expect him to be classy. We shouldn't but at the same time if the steelers stop it then by all means he looks like a fool in the steelers. Set up at the eleven yard line with Can't say they're guaranteed to score because this is the steelers offense talking about But still I mean what I'm saying is that I was more ticked off with the deep passes being called in the waning minutes of the game. You know there's like five minutes. Laughter after so. Rg Threes Chuck in the ball. Downfield Europe Twenty eight to ten. There's a time and place for that type of stuff. I don't think that's that but then again it's follows suit for her harbaugh and Dave. What are your thoughts on that? Yeah I was the one who popped up first and said that I didn't have a problem as as much as Brian did with with the fake punt. It's not that I don't see where it's coming from. I do but at the same time. If he's going to do a move like that that you should have been ready for and able to stop you. You need to make his weakness. Look bad is what you need to do. If he's going to be weighing on hardball you need to step up and not let stuff like that. Beat you so that. That's what I say about that now. Towards the end I mean obviously the steelers were not even. They didn't take time came out. They even ran the ball when they got the ball back on the interception they weren't fighting for the very last second. They everyone knew what was going on so taking the deep shot seemed that that was more more like let's let's give. Rg Three a chance to either Pakistan or show that he can still throw the ball or something. And I'm like that's if if both teams are kind of saying. Hey we're soaking wet. Let's just get out of the stadium because the the outcomes already determined then then don't do something like that. I want to bring up. Kyle Smith Common. He put five dollars in the tip jar for those. That might be just listening for the first time. The tip jar is where you can donate donate money to the show. It highlights your comment guaranteed. We're GONNA put it up on the screen and all you do is down by the comment bar on the right is a little dollar sign you can click. That gives us any amount of money and will we appreciate any donations as you can see all three of us. Now have these new microphones. The sound quality improved tremendously. Hope you'll enjoy. Your donations have helped by these four are our shows. So Kyle says I've seen never seen I John Bust dance more than Bob Griffin. Twenty one for ninety six yards passing in one interception. You know there are certain things that happened in games especially rivalry games and it just really gets under under my skin and watching him get up in the outcome was decided in just really being classless. Now this is not atypical. Rg Three he person. Okay now we've seen him in Washington we've seen him in Cleveland in. He was never that type of player. Am I right in my wrong. I wrote I. You're oh absolutely correct. He I've seen him as a classy guy Just in this situation I thought he was out. It's this team this this organization. Hey there Eric hucker did a stupid dance. Gosh did it. This basically has reignited if there was is ever a lull in this rivalry to me in my own personal brain which means nothing in the grand scheme of the NFL landscape. This reignited the ravens rivalry. I want want nothing more than for them to have a week off in the lose in the first round. Oh I I'm praying for it and I know there's other things to pray for but I'm imprint that in real quick this is spiteful Brian this is the guy. We're hearing at the Brian. I I'm bringing out the old nickname Roberts Roberts sniffen the turn. I forgot about. Dave what are your thoughts on the Stela rations and things of that nature jour- well I'm saying we also did not add anything into it when our philosophy was every time he hands the ball off. Because because it's a fake. We're GONNA hit him because to me. That was more of a of a message almost towards Lamar Jackson that. Hey if you're going to constantly run the fake with a quarterback your quarterback is free to be to take a shot on and the steelers did that the whole game and so if we're constantly taking shape legal. I'm not saying it's not a single living same online chief shot and Dan fouts who I hate the second Kept on penalty of ever seen one knows that go ahead. Another one he pointed out was probably the latest one out of all of them. You know what I mean. It was a little bit but you always I have argument of. I couldn't tell if he handed off the ball or not but they they made sure their philosophy was the quarterback on a fake. It hit him every time. Hit him every every time you know. That's what they did and maybe that's kind of what got him a little bit fired up with his. I'm not making excuses. I'm just saying this a stall out of it and I liked it. I liked that they did that and I hope other. NFL playoff teams took note of it. And do the same thing you know. The funny thing is James Harrison was on what's what show is on. Is it Fox. That he goes on every now and then it's the same. I think it's Fox. Yeah it's a lot of friends that would have been wrong beauty or whatever and he talked about Lamar Jackson and he said you know when I played for Dick Lebeau and we if we ever played like a Michael Vick type he tell us every time. That quarterback has the ball even if he handed off you hit him hit him so many times that he doesn't want to run that play he doesn't want to even have the bonus hands at long. Because obviously when you played a guy like Michael Vick wanted him to throw the ball and that's the steelers approach would have been that I'll say. Rg Three got beat up. He got up today. And if I'm if I'm wearing hard I'm like this is exactly didn't play Lamar Jackson because why would I expose him to this of abuse physical speak but it just rubbed me the wrong way I'm okay with celebrating but there. There's there's it's sometimes it goes over the line in the fact that it's the ravens now. Did you notice something at the end of the game after Hayden had that interception and and what goes over to him on the bench and he's talking to them and And Hayden's laughing in you could tell what was emphatically telling him something I think it might have been something like. You're they're lucky you pick that offer. We were GonNA light somebody up I I. I was just wondering what they were saying. They're what played. He always plays the fire. He Siemian guys. You can disagree. He seemed to make us playing angry tonight. Today that's a good way to put it. Yeah he seems like he had a different edge about him in this game and you know people criticized besides him for when he jumped in tried to knock down the passy lands and kinda throws his forearm into. Rg Three in rg three flops. Like a soccer player. That was a flaws draws a flag and stuff. But I I'll say this well bring up Tj what. I tweeted this out on her behind. Joe Curtain twitter feed bt At bt steel curtain. If you don't follow us please do when I think about. TJ Watt in the defensive player of the year. Talk this acts are tremendous. Don't get me wrong when he finished the year is what fifteen and a half. Dave Brian. Who knows he got a half? He credited for half sack today. Fortunately half or Tina. What's needed to your right okay? So that's a it's a good number. That's a tremendous number and he's only in his third year but here's the thing the force. Fumbles are more impressive to me anything because those are turnovers. Those are extra possessions in those are a lot more difficult to come by in my opinion than just a sack from an edge rusher. Oh sure you agree with that. Oh yeah he's perfecting the punch. He has perfected the punch. And it's a Dave. I mean I'm not saying that this accident matter when we're talking a defensive. It's a play there you have to be the total package. I think that the forest fumbles. That's a that's a crazy number. I don't even know what his total was. I forgot to check before we went on the air But it's amazing and I think that deuce his value regarding defensive player of the year Dave anything to add yeah. I'm sorry I was no. You've already looking at trying to look at number four. You know I'm I was frozen for some reason what I'm trying to actually go in and get the number number. It caused me to free so I don't know if I can get that for you. What I want to know is what was the total number of takeaways that they ended up having on the season as well so because I mean they added to more and I'll let me? I had to take way TAB here. I just have to add to. That's wrong on here. We go go idea the yet. His total Four salvo coming in come again to coming into to this end of this game he had. Where's the forced? Fumbles that he had seven forced. Fumbles coming into the game so that would make it. I guess that would leave him with eight. That's amazing so they had. They had thirty six tied for New England for first overall in the NFL l.. Seattle seahawks. Who have yet to play at thirty two? And they were obviously in third so the steelers had two takeaways today so leaves as Emma thirty eight on the season. That's a remarkable uptick from one year to the next absolutely Schmitz. So remember how we said if they got twenty five. That would be a really great improvement before the season started. Yeah so all right Dave knee-jerk reaction from you anything it's funny my knee jerk reaction is I wanted to see the steelers. Come out and be able to run the ball which would allow them to open up their offense. which would allow them to do something that I expected him more than? WHAT EXPECT HIM TO DO I? I only score six points in this game. I thought they could get two scores. But they'd have to settle for field goals. They were able to run the ball. And get it in the touchdown zone. They O'Brien you. Which which was nice? And that's what I see is to run the ball and the thing is the ravens knew they were going to try to run the ball but the disappointing knee jerk. Reaction Thing to me was the steelers. I knew that that's all the ravens were going to try to do was run the ball and this defense gave over two hundred yards rushing when you do. That's exactly what they were going to do. Hey I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk and we're the host of the shutdown forecast avengers of college football podcast. It says during the script onto riff on what that means and basically what I mean is this all already spoiled. Every Tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling. Too unfashionable Pants Warren Middle School. We also do talk about college. Football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early. And unfashionable. Pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly seriously as it should be taken. Subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. or in your favorite podcast APP. Yeah I tweeted that out. I said everyone knows everyone in the stadium. Knows that they're going to run the ball the steelers the woman selling peanuts in the third the third attack. They all know they're gonNA stopping. It is a different story because obviously they set a new record for most rushing yards in a season but that was a disappointing aspect Brian. What are your thoughts? The once again you know it was a winnable ballgame though even though the defense didn't stop slim. Rg Three head ninety five yards through the air. They knew what they can do. They just couldn't stop them. They were missing tackles hackles Terrell Edmonds. Look horrible that one touchdown as always but it's still winnable game in the offense gave you nothing so even with all that they were in that ball game this was a very winnable game for the steelers Early on and they lost it at the end of the half there. When they gave up that touchdown you're right and I landed I talk about this Ad? NAUSEAM in the post game show in its famous Joe Gibbs quote where he talked about. How a football game can you boil it down to like three or four plays you know typically well over one hundred plays run and or around there three or four can kind of turn the tide ride. That was such a deflating. Play the devil and hodges fumble and to me it just kind of encapsulated duck season so to speak because everything up until that point wasn't bad you know. He was managing the game. Well they were actually running the ball. Well they got away from that for some reason in the second half. I'm not sure why in it just didn't make sense for him not to just take the sack you have three timeouts call. All the time outlived to play another day. The ball security was awful. That was so deflating many levels in and I gotta be honest. I I think that was one of the reasons why did that. What was the score when that happened? This year has had the lead at that time. Yeah seven hundred seventy six. And then all of a sudden they score touchdown completely changes everything. So all right we have Isaac here. He wants to get five bucks. We appreciate that is is A. He's a longtime listener. He's a duck. Season is over finally said that. There's no more steeler football but I don't think I don't need this kind of frustration I understand it This has been a crazy season and I want everyone no. I'll take the time here to say that we are not going anywhere Behind this curtain dot com. We'll continue to churn out content for you Articles from breaking news to commentary to film room Everything that you can think of we're GONNA provide offseason so there's not like oh we take a week off. We'll see in two weeks. No that's not how we roll our podcast platform will Will still continue to turn out contents to stick with us and as always makes you like the video subscribed to the channel set up your notifications so that you get a email text alert whatever it is said that you know so whenever we go live we just programming changes. If we're GONNA talk about at some point but now's the time to do it snowman. He also five dollars in the tip jar. He's at who gets fired. Some coach coach needs to go. I vote for coach. Randy was going to get brought up sooner or later guys that. Let's talk about it Dave. If a coach gets fired who gets all right just one point of correction that they did. I was starting to think after he said it was seven to six Mike or had the did the ravens kick a field goal and they confirmed it the live chat that it was actually nine two seven nine two seven when that was going on getting the gall getting the ball to start at nine seven compared to the what happened and is exactly exactly but still that was just that made it just as bad so who gets fired people's nobody Canoga common absolutely drives me nuts. No no one's going to get fired. No one's going to get fired. I don't think anyone's going to get fired. I mean I'm not saying that. No one deserves to get fired. Okay okay let's let who if you were running the steelers. Who would you fire if you had to fire someone like I say I've been back and forth with the rainy feeder thing I've been his harshest critic and then I realized that I've been in those coaching situations where I had nothing I told the story on I? I think I told her on on various different podcast before about my last season. Coaching the very first game. We were we were. We didn't practice the first several. Today's my head coach wouldn't let us do it. He didn't want the freshman bothering the seniors. So I had a hardly any time to prepare my team for our game and before halftime i. I looked at my offensive sheet and said and said to my assistant coach. They can't run any of these places. I've got nothing I can call. That could actually work. And I'm I'm like I've been there so I kind of feel a little bit for coach feeder but my forgot. What happened week to you know what I didn't to? I had a whole new offense pence I had an entire new offense wasn't just line ended up in I formation. Try to run. The ball with with kids didn't know how to block. I put us in Shotgun Unin spread and ran quick pass so all they had to do is either blocked to the right gap or blocked at our left gap. And I did that in a week. You know he had the whole season season with these guys now and things weren't working you can't say well we didn't have the players. Will you know what you do. You have to come up with something drastic and the only thing they really ever ever did was say unless you put seventy two in and heaven eligible more or let's run the wildcats. That was the only answer they had for. How many weeks was it? How many weeks so now? I'm getting really mad at her again because he had the time to to do something. Do something big do something drastic. Completely Change Your style. I don't care but but do something then that that brings out the best in the players that you actually have and they did nothing on offense. I think I know the answer to the question for Brian. Brian is there anyone other than randy female that you aspire. Oh Yeah Danny Smith Junior. No Soda for you. You've got to go. He's got to go. He's naked photos of someone being around this long. It's a him and Daniel mccullers they. They got dirt on someone. I mean I I think he probably was he ever in Arkansas state with with online and and they were all at Memphis it was a memphis there at the same time but but Butler and Tomlin all coached at Memphis Point Butler Butler was there at the same time as Tomlin and Butler was there at the same time as fear but fear Tom that we're not there at the same time. Okay well I thought it was something about Arkansas state. That might be one too but I know they also have Memphis you You know. Here's the thing Danny Smith has got to go but featured us to and by the way Dave that story that you tell you did adjust in. That's and that's what you're saying. They they didn't here. I would love to go back in time and this is probably putting you in a bad spot dave but if I had a time machine I'd go back in time and I'd fire that head coach. Who didn't want to have the freshman near the near the senior coaching? What the Heck is wrong with that guy? He's not so coaching. That guy smell coat. Know my assistant coach that I talked to. And he's now the varsity coach if I had a podcast for that high school back then I'd be all over that guy. Hi everybody in town would hate me because I have the entire town hating him because I would make up nicknames and have a campaign Hashtag fire that dude but anyway feeder. He's not gonNA go anywhere. You know why you know why coming back then. It's coming back Ben more. Let's get rid of of his guy. 'cause the offensive coordinators coming back but when ben gets hurt again because he's four hundred pounds right now when I mean. How's he going to lose that? Jeff you need to go train them seriously I I mean he he really. I think he's going to be the new ghostbusters. Movie as the as the giant Hillsborough Pillsbury the state pump marshy man. I mean he's gigantic right now. No I shouldn't be said anything because I'm larger than charge. What south but really? That's your offensive coordinator and he's coming back next year but you know he's not going to play sixteen games. You WanNa you WanNa Darkhorse in this discussion if the steelers dealers. Don't renew Keith butlers contract. His contract is up before the season's aid don't they promote terra lawson to the defensive coordinator position which will tell you who was really calling the defense exactly. I'm not saying that's what I would want. Because if you get rid of Keith the Butler you're having to find another linebacker coach. An outside linebacker coach and Sandra saying the dark horse in this whole Spiel is possibly keep vollers so just thinking outside the box there Mark Davidson. He's our buddy from down under. He said good day FELLAS. The Pittsburgh steelers two thousand nineteen season ends today. However the lads ads played great football and with heart? Thank you for all your hard work into. AM jokes. Thank you for tuning in from all the way down in Australia Did you see Jordan Berry. Try to do the Australian football before tribe I. He's horrible guys. That was my fault right before they went to run that punt. I said Gee with all the bad weather like I'm surprised. No one's had a bad had snapper. Anything today was about snap but he just just completely well the funny thing in trough. If if you've coached anything if you've had good coaches in your life in any sport if a good coach will tell you that you can never blame the weather for anything. Because they're playing playing in it so I don't WanNa hear Jordan Berry talk about I- bobbled the ball because it was slippery will same coke didn't bobble any passes or Shotgun Snap Maung snaps. Whatever just tucker slipped and fell on his bought and still made a forty seven yarder danced so you cannot even Bonilla this? You cannot blame it on the rain. They Yell King Me. Thirty one puts the tip jars as nobody is getting fired. They need to add. Add to their staff higher linebackers coach hire a real offense coordinator. Although I underst- I agree with you. King meet thirty one that they're not gonNA fall. I R- anyone. If they were to get a real offense of coordinated have to fire randy feet ner in they do have linebackers. Coach is the inside linebacker coach. Jerry Sandusky in kice Butler the he could bring in an outside linebacker church. I always thought that it would be good to bring Kevin Greenback when he was available. You're if there's a guy that knows how to get to the quarterback it's Kevin Greene any of that that was his specialty was just brushing vassar. So all right here we go. Let's go over some optics. Our buddy lands. He was sending sending me all these topics he wants to go over there actually pretty good. Give him credit here here K.. If you had to label this season is good great or just okay. So now that it's over. How would you label it? Dave will start with you. This isn't fair because this is still knee jerk because because it's right after this bad loss and everything where the steelers you know. They just needed to win a couple of games in the last three weeks and they didn't do it so it because you got to that point and then fell off at the end. What were my three options again? Good great or just okay. Okay right now I would call it just okay because we're coming off of the last few weeks but honestly when you think about it. It was a good season considering everything that happened happen. Because there is no way that you thought that this team would have been led by their defense when the season started with then went out and we got bad quarterback. Play you you would just assume that. This team was drafted the top five and that was the picnic. gave up to Miami but between the bad quarterback play after losing ban for them to win as many games as they did and to be in so many games that they were in because of this defense that was just a really big pleasant surprise. So I'd at least good. It had to be at least good okay. That was Prime Dave scofield waffling there. Well yes Brian can get a straight answer from you. Would you say good greater. Just okay first of all lance. I love you man. But that's like giving me a menu and saying all right you could choose from the liver you can choose from the beats in you can choose from the it was something else. Yeah thirty Saturday. You don't like those three items. Gosh I man I hate all that stuff stuff a well then I. I'm just one of those those really bad American eaters where I dislike that people make fun of me for winning the have peanut butter and Jelly with across cutoff. Which I've never had but people say that and But here's the thing I can't answer any of those I can't use any of those categories. You know what they should have been lance and like I said I love you man but they should have been. Was this season bizarre inspiring or was it just plain unfortunate. That's what it should be because this really wasn't a situation where it was couldn't be just okay because it was inspiring inspiring because of where they came from after the one in four start. It was bizarre for all the weird injuries. and every all the crazy stuff that happened in the and especially what led up to the season with losing Mr Third and fifth With the whole with everything with the fact that you had at the the end the fourth and fifth options at quarterback out there. That's that's bizarre inspiring unfortunate because of all the injuries as well. So I mean if I say just K- that I mean it's not just okay. It's more inspiring than anything. There's no way it was great eight because they didn't make the playoffs. I'm so you know I I really. I really can't answer that that all lands. I hope you're listening. They are butchering the segment. I mean Dave spent five minutes waffling around pick up to offense and defense. He asked now. Because I told Lance we're not GONNA do season sending stuff like if we're going to have a lot of time to do that on our podcast and web do all that plenty. Brian spends five minutes changing every topic and balancing all over. God's tell us the answer I'll give you my answer can you really. I mean not lands. Jeff Lynne I am not lance ends Williams but yeah I can. I would say that this season was good borderline great. Why because if you would have told me about all all the injuries that this team faced and some of the trades and acquisitions that were made I probably would have never guested eight and eight or should I say that at one point? They were in the driver's seat entering December for a playoff spot. If you've said that you can have Devlin. Hodges the quarterback of your team at that time I was said. There's no way no way at all knowing what we know so knowing how everything went down. I'd say it's good borderline great and I. I did like that for the Fisher for behind steel curtain dot com he. He does a lot of film room stuff. I I really good article. That ran today around noon about how the steelers win lose today against the Ravens fans should be excited about the future and I agree one hundred percent. He was if you read flip stuff. He's not the most optimistic guy but he is definitely optimistic about the team's future and I agree one hundred percent I am also A. I'm a I'm a very optimistic steeler fan you guys know that but I would say it was good to great season. All things considered now. If you're someone that says will steelers only only labeled by Super Bowl wins then. Obviously the nothing is going to be good or great. Everything's going to be awful because because they haven't won a super bowl since super bowl forty three and two thousand and nine so if you wanna live in that world that realm. You're gonNA live a miserable life. Well you know what I was going to say is. You've got to remember it. All comes down to expectations to coming into the season and the expectations completely changed after week. Two everything changed after week. Two and that's what makes it different. You also gotta remember that that that what makes seasons great. Is You look at it this way. You could be that team that was the preseason superbowl winner that ends up losing using to a one and fourteen team in the very last week of the season so you know when you judge it against that it was it was a a good or I'll say very good. which is right in between? I think it was a very good season. And I understand that expectations change you know Edwin three and one in four one in four. They'd only beaten the winless bengals. Okay I'm sorry. Add three eight. Oh they only wanted wanted there okay. So they don't beat the winless bengals a lot of people just said. Gosh this is awful. We just gave up her first-round pick is probably GONNA be like a top ten pick if not the top five. This is ridiculous. I can't believe we're doing this and all of a sudden. If you would've said well you guys might come back and be in vying for a playoff spot. What really and then as they go on their little streak in the month of November things change expectations change? I don't think for me as I look at from a grand scheme of the entire season that doesn't skew. It doesn't skew the what happened in the last three games as bad as it was. So all right Stephen puts five dollars in the temporary. He just that we publish our podcast schedule. Each week. Stephen I wish that my life and and Brian's life in the Dave's life was conducive to such a strict schedule. It just isn't we're all family men. We all have other responsibilities and sometimes we might say it shows started eight thirty Till nine thirty. It's not intentional. We will try to give give you a Monday through Friday schedule so that you know what day shows are GonNa be In August that out on the website in the coming coming days but We just can't give you that hard core time because I'd hate to write down that Brian. Anthony Davis dealers hangovers. Going to be every Monday a at five PM. In all of a sudden Tony gets gets hung up in traffic or at work. He doesn't get home till five. Forty five and people are supposed to start lot so not gonna do that all right. I'M GONNA party. I couldn't help it. That's good I like hi. This is Cara Swisher host of recode decode. It's been an incredible two thousand nineteen for our show and we really have been honored with awards awards by Ad Week. They named Rico decode the best technology podcast of the year. And the podcast of two thousand nineteen over all. So if you haven't and check this out yet there's never been a better time to start on Rico decode I interview people. 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So let's talk about this for a little bit the year without your quarterback we know that your without your top running back and your top wide receiver but your offensive line is intact. What the heck is going on? Because if I recall Dave Brian. Correct me if I'm wrong. At the beginning of the season season they were putting up over twenty points Emma's regularly weren't they close to thirty a couple times right. Well they did not in week one and while I'm talking about since Ben Ben went down after I can tell you exactly what. They scored every week. Because I have I don't have it in front of me. They put up twenty six against Seattle and they put up one correct. We put up twenty against San Francisco. They put up a lot against the Ravens They put in the twenties. But I miss the bengals the bengals. They've won seven against Bangles twenty-three Yup up three against the Ravens. Twenty four against the chargers and twenty seven against the dolphins and twenty six against the colts offense have outputs that would have won them a ton of games down the stretch. What went wrong? What changed that backup? quarterbacks were still the the constant and yet the result was drastically different. Dave any thoughts simple tape. They knew what you were doing. And you didn't vary what you were doing enough to stay randy land. It all goes back to rain be land and you didn't. You didn't add enough to keep other teams off what I what I'm trying to say because I'm still frustrated with it just they. They weren't guessing they weren't having to guess they knew when you did this. That's what you were going to do. You weren't changing your tendencies enough. You weren't evolve. Aw involving your game plan enough week. Brian agreed with him. Yeah I definitely agree with that and I just think some personnel SNELL's getting long in the tooth and other personnel wasn't ready to play Wasn't ready for prime time. Because if you look at it if we take the entire offense and when you say thumbs up or thumbs down you would take thumbs down to every single skill position and even the offensive line. You'RE GONNA say a defensive line you would say thumbs down quarterback you're saying thumbs down running game God. The game won't be comes down money down wide receiver so in style. I'M NOT GONNA say thumbs down wide receivers because I thought that with the injuries that they had at that position. A guy like deontay Johnson. He looks like he's a special player in the making you. Okay yeah I I agree and I actually think I think that James Washington this to that's the only position where you do not have definitive thumbs down okay. But you didn't use them now. They didn't his office. I just laughed at myself and I looked at the last three games. All three losses. steelers offense adulthood Alford ten ten ten in the highest scoring world of the two thousand nineteen. NFL they're averaging tend and ten points over the last three games a three game losing streak the so much for Mike Tomlin stellar December record. That's true to I think that what other numbers have their Dave This was the sixth time in two thousand. Nineteen that the Baltimore Ravens. It had more rushing yards than their opponents. Did total offensive yards. I don't bring up stats are GonNa make me angry okay. I hate the Ravens. They're Oh really my point was we knew that was bad we do that. They've rushed the ball more than what the steelers did in total offense but they did at six other times they the Houston. Texans was one of them So it's just I. I was frustrated that they didn't stop the run because they should have known it was coming but yet that's just what they were what they were going against. Let's sometimes it's easier said than done exactly someone the what. The steelers did a native to Lamar Jackson over and over and over again. Not Saying he got there trying to hurt him but you hit him over and over and over again. The only way you're going to get get. Yeah well here's here's some that's GonNa make you feel a little bit better than it's GonNa frustrate you as well if you look get points. I mean the steelers gave up the touchdown off of the turnover. They gave the touchdown on the on the bad punt. They gave up the two through points on the safety. The defense other than right off the turnover at the very end of the half kept them out of the end zone they they only gave up four field goals but even if they even if they only gave up let's say they don't fumble the ball way at the end of the first half and they don't have the have the punt that that they give up seven seven points and they don't have the safety they still lose twelve to ten because because the offense couldn't do anything if you think about it the defense really or on Actual normal drives that steelers defense only gave up four field goals. That was it. Let me ask you a question and this. This might be changing the course of what you're doing Dave but you just said they would have only scored the last twelve ten. No I think they. They might have uncalled different. Plays Yeah Range. Possibility Buddy. Rainy called different places. Come on he has to go with. What is Baker says? Did they lose their shot at the playoffs. Way Back when they just said all right. We're going to trust the duck. Hodges can do that and didn't get somebody to come in here. I mean even a Mark Sanchez. WHO's retired or did they think that you just brought up bubble? Yeah I understand that and I know I'm gonNA roasted for that. But we noticed over the last four or five weeks that duck was win with Mir's when he won and then that Cinderella it was gonNA turn into a Pumpkin in a big hurry and I was wondering if this was if this was just like. Let's just go with what we got. Well Yeah Dave. MD has a point but at the same time it all depends on WHO's available. Some people were still in the live. Chad saying Colin Kaepernick. That was I would never sign on for that personally. It has nothing to do with politics surrounding that man. I just never would have done it. Because he has played for earth a lot a long time. And if we're gotTA RUN RABI lands offense. He's not the right guy to run that all now and so. YOU HAVE TO ASK A. WHO's actually out there that is is available? And if you're gonNA trade for someone which I'm trying to think when Devon Hodges took over that was what week twelve in Cincinnati. He came in right when he started when he came in at halftime at the third quarter. Oh yes sorry Oh yeah. Trade deadline had already passed. I am I right. Yes yes yes okay. That's what I thought so. The trade deadline had already passed trading for like another backup from somewhere. Or we're trying to get Joshua Dobbs back. It wasn't an option because they could've so for me. Maybe if Landry Jones was just sitting around twiddling his thumbs but he's he sign of the XFL and they protect their contracts that they couldn't bring him back. I understand what you're saying Brian. I wouldn't have been against it it just. I don't know who is available at that time here. Here's my question ars either. Why did they try for Landry Jones the XFL shot them down? But why did they try for Landry Jones because they knew the importance of having somebody the in that already was familiar with the steeler. Football System meant so much people were still calling for Paxton Lynch so early in this game. Mike Tomlin addressed this on Tuesday even being the third string quarterback since Sept- Since September whatever. He wasn't ready to run this offense. Could it have been worse that that's my question thing is if it's that bad that you can't have someone who's been there that that whole time and you just don't feel like we're not accustomed to him and they're not and they're not accustomed to US enough with all that obviously they can't bring in someone that they're going to throw out there two weeks later when it comes to run in everything thing then then guess what you need to do. Then it's did it look like the most complex thing in the world. They were trying to run on. Offense didn't to be because half at the time I knew exactly what they were going to do in the game with their personnel with their formation. So you know what you guys are absolutely correct. But the last few pre-seasons. I've been calling for guys like Mike. Moore I've been. I mean you guys could laugh at me. All you want anybody who laugh. Let me about Mike Moore. But I've been calling for him for the last couple of years. A guy like that because you have a guy like Mike more in the playoffs who you saw what he did with Kansas City this year you said what is his name or Matt Matt Moore. He's Matt Moore Killed Him. I was that that game almost killed him as he came back. I have a question for you guys here in a second but let's get to some super chatswood. been waiting to get snowman. Put five dollars in the tip jars as optimistic and still. I know what happens to Ben. Happy New Year's LS snowman. Happy New Year you too you too. We appreciate his warm wishes We don't know about Ben and that's a scary thing because there's a lot riding on that guy coming back in being healthy and there's as anything but a certainty at this point kyle. Smith puts five dollars. Tip Jars is popular now to hate on Juju but I just think the kid needs a clean slate next year. I put more stock in the last year than this year for him. He was hurt for a lot of this season. Let's let's not forget that Never I forget there's a lingering foot for a long time but he was playing through it. Yeah in there was I Follow Jim Wax old. Who writes steel city insider better? And there's he gives out a lot of detailed information that a lot of other beaver beat writers don't and he talked a lot about how sometimes lower body injuries like a photo. Ankle can lead to other stuff. He talked about Troy Paulo when he had the here's a PC L. and his knee and it was the same injury the Jews you had. He talks about how those the same season that he strained his Achilles. If you'll remember that one that was when he heard it's intercepting Carson Palmer and returning it into the end zone. Those the famous video where he dove in just gets the football over the pylon and his right hand at Heinz field against the Bengals it. They can have a lingering effect but I agree with what Brian said in regards to you know just the fact that they gambled doubled. The steelers gambled this year by not having a vested veteran backup. They took a gamble that something. They typically always have have think back on the Mike Tomlin quarterbacks that he's had you think back to. I don't know if Brian saint-pierre was actually Tomlin or cower. I can't think I think it was. I think it was Tom when I duNno Dennis Dixon. Charlie Dad that was our okay Charlie batch was was Tomlin at some point I'm Dennis Dixon was Tomlin Who are some others that I'm thinking that I'm forgetting I ran the Sandwich Byran left which yep so? You're you're getting the trend. They typically have that vested veteran backup in case. Something happens because let's be honest. Dan gets hurt more than he's healthy. I go that way because the last few years he's been relatively healthy in typically Mrs at least one or two games this year they gambled in they burned. So my question for you guys. Is this a lot of people for a really hinging. The two thousand twenty season on Denver Office burgers health. And I'M NOT GONNA disagree with that at all. Some people are saying. Just wait till Ben comes back with this defense. It's going to be fun. And I think the twenty twenty. It could be a good year. I WanNa see what they do. In the off season I question is. Do you think this team is one player. Fire away from being a legitimate super bowl contender because I think everyone wanted it. They were not a legitimate super bowl. Contender under twenty nineteen primal Sabathia. I think if there was a veteran backup quarterback on that roster early on that we would be really excited about them going into going into the playoffs right now. 'cause they won they would be there and two. They would've they probably would've gone to and one or three down the stretch in the last three games if you had a guy like a case keenum on that team this year. They're going into the playoffs playoffs in their possibly. And I'm not kidding. There possibly having a week off next week in the by. So you're saying that in twenty twenty they are one player. I e Ben Rothlisberger away from being a legitimate super bowl contender. Yes I am. I love how you move into the microphone here. Yes I ended that so I said yes. Dave I don't think you're ever one player way. I don't think anyone's ever one per way because injuries come into play way too much. I mean this team put put put their put all their eggs in the Ben Rothlisberger basket for two seasons. If you're talking about not having a veteran backup because they didn't have on last year and so they did it last last year and guess what Ben Played in he played in all sixteen games so he he missed just a little bit of time and that Oakland game and that's basically what kept the team for the playoffs. So you're you're all in on Ben Rothlisberger and then you hope that. Maybe you have. I mean when when you guys know how I feel about Mason Rudolph. I felt when the steelers drafted him but finally that the steelers had someone that they were developing as a number two. That could then be an answer like Ben was going to be wave back in two thousand and four of that guy. That's down you know down the depth chart but if you gotta call on maybe can step. Maybe he's ready to step up and show show you what what he can do. That just goes to show you. How Special Ben Rothlisberger was and is so you bring Ben Back? But you're always you're one Ben Andrew Away your one anybody injury away from anything. I how is it. You're it is more likely to be one. One player lost away from not making the playoffs. Then you are to have one player gained to get into this region ball. What if you're going to encompass a season and you're like if we just had one more player when it could be a super bowl contender? You're more likely to be that team team. That's even like a playoff team. And you're one player and you could just lose one player to go from a playoff team to a playoff team. I about who you you lose that who you gain go ahead Ryan if it pleases the court. I'd like to look closer to the microphone. So here's the deal with that if you have a good quarterback this year no not even a good quarterback a competent quarterback this year the running games better the tight end somebody. He yelled at me in the live. Chat for the tight end position. Vance McDonalds a whole lot better if Barabbas burgers in their Vance McDonalds a whole lot. Better you have. The receivers are a whole lot better and you could win with this group that you have right here and I'm talking. Even if James Connors hurt you could win with Jalen. Samuels Imbeni Snow Junior in carriageway you could win with these guys and they would have been dangerous if they had that competent signal caller. They had a first classic fence this year. So they were one player away. And I. I know there's a weakness on defense that everybody's upset about with Terrell. Admins I am. I thinks he's he had a rough year. But that's your weakest link on on that side of the ball. He's not killing you okay. Well what killed them was a quarterback here right. The question wasn't about two hundred. Nineteen about twenty twenty so looking ahead or they just one player away from me and contender so I agree with everything he said about had this season. I don't think they're one player away for next season because have hello. People have watched this offensive line. Does it look like it. It gets ready to pave the way for the running game every single week. Not to mention the fact that receive at the receiving core A. What's WHO's he's going to magically come back to make this better the receiving Lose someone like Ben Rothlisberger laws for the year. They get back next year. There's no one else has just walking through that door. You know in will not forget Dante Moncrieff and all that free agent acquisition. Let's also not forget this. Dave always brings up is free agency changes a lot of stuff and salary cap implications changes a lot of stuff into. Yes Mr this hefty dead cap hit. It will be off the books next year. But that doesn't mean the steelers are going to have all this cap. Space Somehow steeler fans like. Oh my gosh sugar. You know they're actually going to be pretty tight against the CAP next year now. The cap is going to increase. Says it does every year in that means the steelers will be close but I can see to making some cuts cuts and it's going to be tough for them to keep some these players. I don't WanNa get too much into it because I want to focus on some of this stuff in future shows but a guys leg Ramon foster I see being a cab casualty Because I don't think that his play has equal pay you has disagree. That's just my thoughts. You might see someone like Vance McDonald. Who is often injured and has his pay equal? Play not so sure You might lose someone like Bud decreed via free agency Or if you give him a franchise tag. That's going to eat in a huge chunk of your salary cap space. In which case. You're probably GONNA lose a Kylie J von Hargrave because br I doubt they sign both of them back in so all these things have ripple effect in a can completely change everything now steph onto. It will be back next year in. That's a plus but at the same time this team is never going to be see the same and so we can't. I asked the question. I don't think they're one player away. I think they are going to have to have a really good off season. In fact they don't have a first-round I found pick they better hit on those mid round picks big time in the NFL draft now in the salary. Cap Era fellows. No one is one player away. Hey I'm Jason Delray. I recently wrapped up land of the giants the rise of Amazon. In this podcast we examine. How Jeff bezos turned a small online bookseller into one of the most powerful companies in the world? We start by exploring how Amazon prime became a service with over one hundred million members and end the main source of the company's power. 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Happy that the Patriots don't have by weekend possibly won't make the Super Bowl Yes I am actually very happy because once the steelers are done I honestly I get excited for little things like that. Brian motivate you. I was but I now I worry I I want somebody to. I want them to get good enough to beat the Ravens in the chiefs can't do it. I really want the ravens out of there now. I said something at the beginning of the season about the Patriots that if it was the Patriots with Antonio Leo Brown Against the Ravens AFC championship game. I would root for the Ravens which would be unheard of however I take that back especially after today's game I definitely take that back if something happens that and it went happen that Antonio Brown signs ends with the saints. I will go away from everything. I believe in to hope that they let him play to go ahead and meet the Ravens in the playoffs playoffs to beat the Ravens. So I'm happy that I I love the fact that there's a possible demise of the Patriots but I would I would Let's make a deal with the devil to the Patriots good enough to beat the Ravens. That's what I'm trying to say. What about you dave? What when it comes comes to the whole thing with the Patriots? I was so torn today with with all the stuff going on early combined because the Patriots needed right. Where the strength of victory with this dealers and the raiders and all that but Kansas City also needed Kinda wanted to play but I really took the light of the patriae since that was the last question that we were asked correct. 'cause you're looking at me very strange. Wasn't that the question is I know something weird. That's why it was Internet connection action. was there for a second and it's all good now. Okay sorry about that. So yeah I just honestly. Tennessee has played eh notoriously. Well playing good but I mean they went in there and beat New England in New England with Mario last year that was one of the Patriots losses. The regular season last year. That's right I forgot about that. So what is the AFC side of things wrapped up. Now Alan terms of wild card weekend and everything. What are those games? Well now the Kansas City as the two seed in of course Baltimore's as the number one. It's Tennessee at New England. Is that Saturday or Sunday. Now they did not mention that they won't do that until after tonight's game okay. You're right you're right right which is going to be a fantastic game. It's probably it's going on now but I have no clue what's going on but that's going to make the decision 'cause they put certain teams In prime time insert rate and certain teams on Sunday. Then the other game will be buffalo will be traveling to take on the Houston. Houston Texans not a lot of juice in those games but that's the AFC you know very very top loaded. Everyone was waiting for this big time match ups in the divisional round anyway so the NFC side of things a little bit different. So we'll see how that awesome all right. So let's wrap this thing up final thoughts on this game in particular not so much the season like I said we're GONNA be talking about that for a few weeks. Says we break down. Things like free agency. Central Cap casualties. All that stuff Bryan. We'll start with you. This was a game that even when you were Out of it desperately wanted to win for pride you wanted to have that winning season instead of an eight eight season and you wanted to have something to feel good about but you were embarrassed era spy your rival. That took pleasure in embarrassing you and that was just like I said at the beginning. My knee jerk. Reaction was to hate the Ravens Evans. Even more I don't hate the steelers in this game. I just hate what happened to them and that they could not get out of this whole this was a winnable game for or the steelers and it really was. They did not capitalize because they didn't do anything different. Dave Yeah when you're looking at this this this game it was. It was a big pride issue. It was could they match last season's record even without Ben this year you know. Can they go in and do something and against this team in the SITUA- should and this game was just a really big letdown. And unfortunately it kind of went in the way that I thought it would offensively. I believe kept waiting for them to just come out and surprise me and do something different and show that you could do something and didn't happen for me. Living in Maryland is has all three of the stew we now have to hear about. How the steelers starters loss to the ravens bag ups and that's infuriating hitting and It's GonNa be a I just hope and pray that the Ravens don't do anything this year. I would love nothing more than for them to have the best record in the NFL and to lose the first round of the their first round meeting the division round of the playoffs will it happen. I don't know we'll see the steelers season though is over we now can cry over spilled milk weekend complain and Moan about all the things that did or did not happen. That's why we're here. What makes behind the curtain in our podcast? Still Curtain Dot Com. Great is that we are not talking. Heads that are part of media journalism of functions functions. In I don't even call myself a journalist. I'm a fan days a fan. He's a season ticket holder. Brian Fan. We just happen to like writing in talking talking about the steelers and so you're gonNA get a Fan's perspective here behind the curtain dot com no agendas just fans thoughts so to wrap this thing. Hang up I thank everyone for watched and listened throughout the season again. 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And you're more and tomorrow it starts and that's why I'm sad. I don't get to sit down down and watch the steelers again until August. So I'm in morning I think a lot of mourning for that reason because we're just not going to get to see out steelers play for such a long time but keep tuning in and we'll keep it alive through through our shows into our content will have to make sure Dave doesn't find a bridge and as disappointed as we are very proud of this team if I speak for all of us. You mean to behind the curtain team. Oh No I was actually seeing the steeler team but very you know what I'm very proud I love I love. I love going on on podcasts. With Tony Dave Jeff Lance I went on with Lance this year was great and you know and all of you did I say you dave you know all of you I mean I I love this opportunity and I love this opportunity to have everybody everybody here in the live chat Except for a random troll here and there but I mean I love the fact everybody on the line live chat were family and it feels good. We're in this together so so the off season is going to start as the support group. Then we're going to get excited gaunt's all going to happen that's right so they It is a part Artemis. Feels like wes. Hickok is out there as the last thing he said. I'm Kinda glad the off seasons here I. It was a frustrating season as intriguing as it was. It was very frustrating in a lot of different ways. But Hey the street continues. We're going into till twenty twenty with the streak alive twenty three games. Let's go obey. That's one eight twenty. Thanks for listening. Everyone will see you next season. 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