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02:06 min | Last month

"teigen tyler" Discussed on No Agenda

"Like symptoms in the food of twenty nine hundred. Eighteen biggest ass stood out to you. Remember how many researches a state department factsheet in january alleged several researchers inside the wuhan institute parole aji became seeking autumn twenty nine hundred marian kookmin says china told the who team the lab-researchers tested negative for saws cova to march april twenty twenties. She says the evidence does not point reliably not seen credible associated over three hundred page world health organization joint report with china who soon be published but a week ago a group of twenty scientists wrote an open letter saying the. Who team was never given proper access and has to clear its reports with chinese scientists quote greatly compromising the scientific -bility of its findings. We watch c. Is more dependent proper investigation. How the largest started. I really don't understand why they're doing this now. But you talking about the bad sound engineering I know why they're doing that. But why why. All of a sudden this This going after china. What's up we're missing. We're missing the open question. I think maybe china's not coughing up enough for their pulling back. They're acting acting arrogant or they're not Not paying their fair share. I have Security the money now not usually always. We'll go down under for our last sequence here and listen to the corona cast. Karenna cost a daily podcast. All about the coronavirus. I'm health reported. Teigen tyler.

What makes a variant a variant of concern?

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03:48 min | Last month

What makes a variant a variant of concern?

"Hello this is corona cost a daily podcast all about the coronavirus. I'm health reported teigen tyler. An opposition and journalists culture. Norman swan friday the fifth of march and give it into the second year of corona caster. But it gives you the year it's two thousand and twenty one. It still hasn't anyone even though time is both flying and travelling at a snail's pace but normally one of the things that we keep hearing about over the past few weeks and months is variant. So we we were all very critical of donald trump when he was talking about the china virus and the wuhan virus. But then since then we've been talking about the uk strain in the south african strain. And then yesterday all this week we've been hearing about a russian variant. That's popped up in queensland. So firstly what does it even mean and secondly doing it a better way of naming these virus variance where we're gonna way of naming them. It's just pretty obscure so. The russian variance so called is has the numbers three one seven at the end of it and it is a bit unfair naming them according to where they were i noticed or discovered so britain said africa brazil. New york california russia. It's not very helpful at all because it just sparks. Fear yet. A new variant. What does it actually mean. There's lots and lots of variance. And if i can take us back. Just a little less than a year is that even then there were variants developing and people panicking about them at that point and the bedford lab. Which was really one of the first labs to get into sequencing the variance in tracking them. Globally they found that in fact there was very little change in behavior between the variants. It was more. The people change their behavior but not the virus and that's only recently changed and it's only changed with two or three variants so it's changed with the south african variants. It seems to probably be more Contagious and certainly more vaccine resistant. The brazilian variant. We still don't know enough about that but that looks as if it's more contagious. And certainly also look. Civic could be vaccine partly packed vaccine resistant. The uk one. It's more about contagious. Nece and the american ones so far just not sure what their behavioral changes so more and more. We're seeing various but for every one of these variants you're seeing that are lots and lots of other ones which simply track the evolution of the virus and don't really mean anything and reportedly this variant which is three one seven being called the russian variant. Just seems to be one of these variants which has been thrown off by the virus through replication. And probably doesn't mean very much at all so one of the other pieces of lingo that we've been hearing this idea variant of concern and some of the naming conventions have the are see in them as well as like there's the be one one seven top naming convention and then this other naming conventions which just makes it even more confusing. What makes a variant of very of concern versus just add variant of not concerned. Just curiosity is. I'm sure that that is actually standardized internationally but it would just mean that. There is evidence that it's transmitting more than other viruses muscling other viruses out the ways so for example. The uk barely has muscled other variance out of the way. It's presumed to be more contagious. But probably less contagious than we originally thought the brazilian very. We've talked about it on a corona cast. It seems to be infecting people who were previously infected with the let's call it the wuhan variant which is really the regional virus to come out of china and the south african variants is also almost certainly able to reinfect from the previous one which also and there is evidence of reduced vaccine. Efficacy is gets this concern label when there's evidence that it is behaving differently and potentially dangerously

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"teigen tyler" Discussed on Coronacast

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04:46 min | Last month

"teigen tyler" Discussed on Coronacast

"One of the big milestones we had about yesterday. Was that the oxford astrazeneca vaccine. I devices of that have arrived in australia. Which is something that we've been waiting for. We're in phase one of the role at at the moment and those are the priority people. And i thought that those people were getting the fis at shot. But now we've got the oxford esters shut here. Are they going to be getting that as well and should they be getting that as well. We're in the press release from the prime minister and the minister. They say that they will guess. That's what they say in the press release and in fact the minister himself a week or so ago a press conference said the same thing that there would be a mix of these vaccines and the trouble with. That is an an accord. Chris murray who ahead on seven thirty last monday which he was. Who's the head of the institute for health. Metrics evaluation in seattle is. That astra is the wrong vaccine. If you're looking at borders let's pull back a little bit about what you're trying to achieve and your vaccine strategy are vaccine strategy is really for a country that has lots of covid around in the middle of covid outbreak. Because you want to partake. H care quite rightly aged care. Workers quite rightly you want to get in there and then you want to protect the rest of the population you want to. Doctors nurses people who work in hospitals all that nor question and we still want to do that but if the virus gets in through the borders that's how the virus gets seen it doesn't suddenly pop aged care home or residential care or pop up in the alfred hospital in melbourne. It comes from overseas. We'll come back to the new zealand situation currently in a minute. So the total strategy in the first instance should be about the borders if we can keep our borders secure. The virus won't get in and then we've got time to immunize for safety reasons. The rest of the population and so astro is the wrong vaccine for. That is not the wrong vaccine. I'll get. I want to say up front. I will get the astro vaccine. I'll be happy to get it. It will protect you in severe disease. But it won't necessarily protect our borders. It will against probably against the uk variant. It's not going to protect almost certainly against us at african variant which only showed ten percent efficacy against. We don't know what is going to do against the brazilian variant which shows vaccine escape. And there's the california variant in american various which. Look as if they might be a bit vaccine resistant themselves and so what we should be doing is saying well astra's fine and the scottish artist suggests it's fine for preventing severe disease but that's for a country that we should be covered getting in the first place. So that's about the pfizer vaccine because it stops transmission. More effectively than the astra zeneca vaccine. I it works within three weeks. You don't have to wait. Three months for the efficacy. Second reason is that moderna there is no. There are no data drawn. Skerritt said on chronic is last week for pfizer. But it's almost identical vaccines to madeira and moderna reasonable efficacy against the south african vary not great but much better than ten percent and and it gives stronger immunity faster so for our borders we should be using pfizer and getting quick protection and we should be protecting their households. Because where's it gonna go after they get infected should he be infected. And if it's the south african is going to go to members of their households at a higher chance so their families or flatmates should be immunized with pfizer to and then the third thing that we should be doing which nobody's talking about just wondering why not but when i talk and by the way this is not necessarily me talking actually sounded out on people who know what they're talking about who aren't where willingness to publicly contradict the government. They say es actually what we should be doing and it's largely what new zealand is doing. They are immunizing. their hotel. boorda workers and their immunizing their families. They've had an outbreak which will come to in a minute. The other thing we should be doing is actually having a forward strategy. Which is if you want to get back into australia. Get immunized and we should help them so some vaccine doses could go overseas to australia. Scott send send it over to make sure the co chain right to our consulates and remember. Pfizer is not quite as temperature sensitive as people say. It's it's a problem once you've dominated you've got to get rid of it but it's not quite temperature sensitive as can last for a while so if you're an australian in london paris and new york senate to this german embassy or their physicians. They've got doctors attached and immunize streams. Get them to pay for. It is cheaper than a hotel quarantine and so you. Don't get on the plane until you've had two doses and you waited another two weeks so you're fully immunized

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"teigen tyler" Discussed on Coronacast

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03:11 min | Last month

"teigen tyler" Discussed on Coronacast

"I'm health reported teigen tyler and physician in journalists alter norman swan. It's the last corona cast of summer fridays. twenty-six yes. We are on the last current cost of summer. And i feel like i am. Maybe potentially jinxing us by talking about an outbreak. But let's talk about the scenario norman. Where if there was another outbreak in australia. Now that we've got vaccine in the country vaccine which we know is quite effective at preventing disease and infection. Would that change the way. We've been responding to outbreaks in the past year. Yes would and in fact. I think we were probably the first out. Let's talk about. It was called ring vaccination. And it's now part as far as i understand it over the national immunization or vaccinations strategy. So what you do is as you do your contact tracing you would ring-fence vaccination around the person who's got the disease and the people that have come in contact with and maybe even the people that they've come in contact with so primary contacts and secondary contacts and you would do that with the pfizer vaccine because you've got a strong response early and is only three weeks between doses so within three weeks you're fully immunized rather than the astro which might take twelve weeks to get up to that sort of level of antibody response and so a and it's a race against time so that you because the incubation periods five to eight days but what some of the research is showing is that you get an early response to particularly the pfizer vaccine. Maybe even the astro too so you get a pretty good resistance there early on so that would be a good way to respond to outbreaks prior to very large percentage of the population being covered. So when you vaccinate sometimes depending on the disease some vaccines take a couple of weeks before you get an immune response. But then there's other vaccines like rabies. Where if you get bitten and you think that there's a chance got exposed to rabies. They give you a vaccine then. Do we know what the fires a shot does. Whether it's the sort of vaccine that you can give after exposure and give you some protection while it is all about the maths which is the incubation period versus the time for the vaccine to work so smallpox that's how they controlled. Smallpox control smallpox by massimo. Certainly helped but in places such as africa they controlled it by ringfencing and controlling the spread from that and so they find they find a case a main they ring vaccinated around the person with smallpox. So that in for anybody who might have contact come in contact with that person was protected and in that case the vaccine for for the smallpox vaccine worked faster than the incubation period of smallpox. In this case it's lying ball but it's worth doing because it's likely that you would get a responsibility and you're doing two things by this ring. Fencing are ring vaccination. I should call it. You are protecting somebody against severe covid. Nineteen disease the second thing you'd be doing is trying to prevent transmission and you'd hope those two things go hand in hand is a bit of evidence from israel that they do but it's not strong

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Will vaccines make a difference responding to the next outbreak?

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03:11 min | Last month

Will vaccines make a difference responding to the next outbreak?

"I'm health reported teigen tyler and physician in journalists alter norman swan. It's the last corona cast of summer fridays. twenty-six yes. We are on the last current cost of summer. And i feel like i am. Maybe potentially jinxing us by talking about an outbreak. But let's talk about the scenario norman. Where if there was another outbreak in australia. Now that we've got vaccine in the country vaccine which we know is quite effective at preventing disease and infection. Would that change the way. We've been responding to outbreaks in the past year. Yes would and in fact. I think we were probably the first out. Let's talk about. It was called ring vaccination. And it's now part as far as i understand it over the national immunization or vaccinations strategy. So what you do is as you do your contact tracing you would ring-fence vaccination around the person who's got the disease and the people that have come in contact with and maybe even the people that they've come in contact with so primary contacts and secondary contacts and you would do that with the pfizer vaccine because you've got a strong response early and is only three weeks between doses so within three weeks you're fully immunized rather than the astro which might take twelve weeks to get up to that sort of level of antibody response and so a and it's a race against time so that you because the incubation periods five to eight days but what some of the research is showing is that you get an early response to particularly the pfizer vaccine. Maybe even the astro too so you get a pretty good resistance there early on so that would be a good way to respond to outbreaks prior to very large percentage of the population being covered. So when you vaccinate sometimes depending on the disease some vaccines take a couple of weeks before you get an immune response. But then there's other vaccines like rabies. Where if you get bitten and you think that there's a chance got exposed to rabies. They give you a vaccine then. Do we know what the fires a shot does. Whether it's the sort of vaccine that you can give after exposure and give you some protection while it is all about the maths which is the incubation period versus the time for the vaccine to work so smallpox that's how they controlled. Smallpox control smallpox by massimo. Certainly helped but in places such as africa they controlled it by ringfencing and controlling the spread from that and so they find they find a case a main they ring vaccinated around the person with smallpox. So that in for anybody who might have contact come in contact with that person was protected and in that case the vaccine for for the smallpox vaccine worked faster than the incubation period of smallpox. In this case it's lying ball but it's worth doing because it's likely that you would get a responsibility and you're doing two things by this ring. Fencing are ring vaccination. I should call it. You are protecting somebody against severe covid. Nineteen disease the second thing you'd be doing is trying to prevent transmission and you'd hope those two things go hand in hand is a bit of evidence from israel that they do but it's not strong

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When will I know when I can go and get a vaccine?

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02:42 min | Last month

When will I know when I can go and get a vaccine?

"Hello this is corona cast a daily podcast all about the coronavirus. I'm health reported teigen tyler physician and journalists culture. Norman swan choosy the twenty third of february the second day of national immunization. That's right and we've had saw so many questions from audience about how the vaccine role it's gonna work how you're gonna know when it's your turn in the queue and rather than us answering those questions we thought we'd bring in loren roberts who's a health report at one of our colleagues in the abc science unit because lauren's been looking into the vaccine rolette and how it's gonna work and she's here to answer your questions. Welcome lauren thank you good morning. Carl orange relief is test. Somebody on carcass cass. She knows what they're talking about talking about. I'm talking about the okay. Whatever lauren. let's get straight into it. We've got dolores asking. She's just by heggie practice and they have no idea how the vaccine is going to be rolled out. They waited eight weeks for their flu vaccine last year. What are the logistics. That are involved in the vaccine. Rollout will because there's lots of different phases when not certain about how people are going to be notified through the light rollout. So we're talking about rollouts gonna happen in the latter half of this year. We do know that people that are included in the phase. One eight of the vaccine rollout. So that's i care. Workers people that are currently living in h care. Quarantine workers a lot of these people. They're going to be told by the employer and have the coronavirus vaccine lined up by their employer and then probably get the vaccine at work so people that can h care for example. They'll probably get their vaccine de but it's the latest stages that we're not too sure about. We know that there's a good chance that will eventually be up to register online to get the coronavirus vaccine. I'm but at this stage there is to register. It's a little bit of a white and say so just to be clear. Lauren and give us a flavor as well. In israel people were contacted because they had the electronic health records in the insurance public insurance companies. You're saying is that this whole strategy is going to rely on us registering and then seeing how we qualify at. What stage of the priority list. But it's important thing now to just make sure your medicare details up tonight And if you can have it linked to you my gov and then we know that the federal government has spent about thirty one million dollars in a public information campaign and a lot of the details about the light of rollout which moisture israeliens going to be included in is going to be coming out there so it'll be posted. tv campaigns. That'll be a lot of information on the website but right now it's just that fight that we really nari. They are going to be getting their vaccine soon. We know that they can probably be finding out through their employer but everyone else. We're kind of just going to have to wait and say

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The great big coronavirus balancing act of Christmas 2020

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03:30 min | 3 months ago

The great big coronavirus balancing act of Christmas 2020

"I'm health reported. Teigen tyler physician and journalist author norman swan. It's the twenty fourth of december. Christmas eve and in new south wales at least looking at some slightly revised restrictions over the next few days for christmas which depending on how you look at it as a welcome reprieve for people who really want to see their family and friends or an opportunity for the virus to spread. Yes i mean. That's everybody's fear that. Christmas is a sporting event. Will it is if it's the viruses circulating so what they've decided to do as anybody. Listening on the northern beaches will know is. They've divided the northern beaches area in to a southern region and bet scott's slightly lower restrictions that are similar to greater sydney. Except that they're they're not allowed to leave but people can come in for christmas day. Boxing day on the twenty seventh but with the northern beaches There's still nobody going in and out of people are coming round. It's only people from a from that area from the northern part of the northern beaches and they're not re- relaxing restrictions on greater sydney. So yep we are letting things go a little bit but not a lot you balance the risk of the virus spreading with giving people freedom to go and celebrate christmas as they want to like. There's going to be places where the risk of the virus spreading is hire and other places where it's low and maybe it's not fair to just look everyone up in this under the same tough restrictions out of an abundance of caution well while most cases are traceable back to the northern beaches outbreak there are still cases in the eastern suburbs of sydney in the northern suburbs and the western suburbs and those cases grow albeit slowly. So there's there's actually a fair question to ask is why restrict this to Northern beaches when there are problems in other areas and i think the statistic here is how much unknown spread. Is there in new south wales. There's not very much but there is a bit so there's a risk elsewhere so they can't let up too much and there is a calculated risk in three days of slightly lower restrictions in order for people to circulate by the trying to limit that circulation in terms of high risk areas in northern laura's carriers but the still a potential for a super spreading event which we would only find out about five to ten days after christmas so this the toughest restrictions are in the northern beaches northern part of the northern beaches. Like you just said norman. But is the risk confined to that area because we've seen cases popping up in other parts of sydney as well though. The risk is not confined to that area. It's just highest risk. Just makes sense that there's more most of the viruses circulating circulating in the northern beaches. And what they're saying is circulating in the northern part of the northern beaches but viruses circulating in greater sydney each day there are more cases outside not very many more but there are few cases in the eastern suburbs of sydney. There are some in western suburbs and in northern suburbs so they just slowly grow still linked. But i mean for example if you take one. Daily is an italian deli stroke cafe in paddington called elementary. There's already been a secondary case from there. So now you've got a chain of transmission in that particular cafe which has gone from what i understand to be a hairdressing salon to somebody who worked in that cafe who then has inadvertently spread that to somebody else. We don't know whether it's a customer or a staff member

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Why are we still waiting for travel bubbles?

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03:08 min | 4 months ago

Why are we still waiting for travel bubbles?

"I'm health reported teigen tyler and opposition and journalists filter norman swan it's choosy fifteenth of december and for anyone who has loved person who lives overseas. Which i think is most of us. where all kind of wondering when we can open up the borders again yesterday norman. We heard that new zealand is okay with having a travel bubble relationship with ustralia. But there's still some other hurdles that they want to jump through i. What's the delay. And why aren't we seeing. Travel bubbles opening up with more countries where we could. Interestingly china could be one of the countries that we do. Singapore were done at very low levels. Taiwan not south korea anymore Once upon a time you might have thought south korea so there are a few places in the world. The pacific islands who desperate in indeed of our tourism dollars so there are a few places which have our virus or very very small amounts of virus circulating. I don't know what new zealand is waiting for. I mean we've got virtually no disease spreading in the community nor infections spending the community hotel quarantine. Yes but they've got quarantine to maybe they just wanna see us being tested again for a little while just to see how we were going case. We're lax about hotel quarantine that might be what's going on there with new zealand but we could open up right now at an incredibly low risk. The problem is is that it's a bit like sex ak go on next to party talk. This is my now so we what we're talking about here. Is this the all sorts of sexually transmissible diseases. When have sex with somebody. You actually having sex with everybody else. They've had they've had sex with and the virus got something else. You can contract that. That's the problem here with travel. Bubbles is wayne you get into bed sexual analogy with a country. You're getting into bed with all the countries they've got a relationship with in terms of air travel bubbles or how they do it so new zealand is is pretty safe. There's strict as we are in terms of who's coming in and going into hotel quarantine and therefore you can be pretty sure that their border is not is not loose and therefore at risk. Singapore is another issue and the pacific islands are if they're not careful about their borders or somebody's not transit. Here be careful. somebody's not just transiting through. Singapore and singapore becomes a way station for people trying to get into australia. The back door and that requires just filthy. Mine teagan just to yourself. I stopped analogy a while ago. And you're just key ongoing planet to say to him ahead anyway. That's the that's the risk to be sure that their border controls because essentially it's only as safe as their borders and if their borders are open effectively. You're opening the borders to australia vibe. Whatever country we have the bubble with so it's pretty safe with new zealand pretty safe with the pacific islands. There's probably a lot of negotiation before you do it with singapore. I would thought very safe with taiwan very unsafe with almost anywhere else in the

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"teigen tyler" Discussed on Coronacast

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04:01 min | 4 months ago

"teigen tyler" Discussed on Coronacast

"I'm health reported teigen tyler an opposition and journalists alter norman swan wednesday the ninth of december. And it's episode. Two hundred of the corona cast so when we hit the one hundredth episode. We buy setback and went. Oh my gosh. We never thought we'd get to one hundred two hundred. I know it was like two hundred years two hundred days. Well it feels like a silent day to answer these questions from dane. Who says what do you think is the most important thing we've learned about. Nineteen in the last year and if we had a time over again what would we do differently. Well let's do something different. You answer that first to you. Know what i think. At an individual level we would have been more mentally prepared for the challenges of these. See the personal challenges of these see but from an infection control perspective especially in australia <hes>. Harto corinthian outbreaks notwithstanding. I really do think that we have done an incredible job of keeping levels of the virus incredibly low in australia when we say overseas. What could have been here in australia if we hadn't taken that really hard stance from the beginning. So here's what. I think we would do differently. So the first thing. I'll start is internationally and this is a wishlist. I wish that we had had a more cooperative world when the virus hit if we'd had a more cooperative world you know. This is just wishful thinking but we had a habit of world without authoritarian fragile leaders in china russia and the united states. This would be a very different pandemic. in fact it may never even escape from china because they would have dealt with it transparently and they would have controlled it than they would have told people about it and they're told people about it in december. They're abroad in international help into wuhan market and checked where come from and the world would have pulled together on china's behalf and helped china out but we came into an environment where nations were operating by themselves and it was every state for themselves. And that's the sex. The ground for the pandemic so do differently do international relations differently. The biology of a pandemic organism is almost the least important part of that organism of the pandemic loss of different organisms can cause pandemics. It's human behavior that causes the pandemic so the way we live the way we act. Politics works so international travel works. That's what creates a pandemic what we would do. Differently is have a world that's more pandemic aware and aware of their behavior and aware of the broader implications beyond beyond the personal. That's what i would do differently than international level. The wild thing about that is that if we had done that we never would have nine. What scale of crisis. We would have averted but we do know that. This isn't going to be the last pandemic pathogen that if we ever encounter and saw are we need to take these lessons going forward so that the next pandemic is a fisa like this one should main. I'm a comeback to something. We said on corona cast probably in march march april the of the beginning when prevention works. Nothing happens and so the most important thing we've learned we should have learnt is or if you went back in time is that the general community knows that when you actually have prevention working nothing happens. So that's a lesson for everything and we're facing catastrophe with climate change but it's a slow moving catastrophe and if we actually act on climate change not very much will happen and that's what you actually want to happen. So people talk about all paul early in the seventy s sixty s and seventy s doomsayers population and. so on. The are all wrong because nothing happened. Nothing happened because people did some stuff about that sort of thing and of course nothing happened. So what we learn from this is successful. Prevention is dull and boring because nothing happens. There's no drama.

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It's coronavirus do-over time. What would we do differently?

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04:01 min | 4 months ago

It's coronavirus do-over time. What would we do differently?

"I'm health reported teigen tyler an opposition and journalists alter norman swan wednesday the ninth of december. And it's episode. Two hundred of the corona cast so when we hit the one hundredth episode. We buy setback and went. Oh my gosh. We never thought we'd get to one hundred two hundred. I know it was like two hundred years two hundred days. Well it feels like a silent day to answer these questions from dane. Who says what do you think is the most important thing we've learned about. Nineteen in the last year and if we had a time over again what would we do differently. Well let's do something different. You answer that first to you. Know what i think. At an individual level we would have been more mentally prepared for the challenges of these. See the personal challenges of these see but from an infection control perspective especially in australia Harto corinthian outbreaks notwithstanding. I really do think that we have done an incredible job of keeping levels of the virus incredibly low in australia when we say overseas. What could have been here in australia if we hadn't taken that really hard stance from the beginning. So here's what. I think we would do differently. So the first thing. I'll start is internationally and this is a wishlist. I wish that we had had a more cooperative world when the virus hit if we'd had a more cooperative world you know. This is just wishful thinking but we had a habit of world without authoritarian fragile leaders in china russia and the united states. This would be a very different pandemic. in fact it may never even escape from china because they would have dealt with it transparently and they would have controlled it than they would have told people about it and they're told people about it in december. They're abroad in international help into wuhan market and checked where come from and the world would have pulled together on china's behalf and helped china out but we came into an environment where nations were operating by themselves and it was every state for themselves. And that's the sex. The ground for the pandemic so do differently do international relations differently. The biology of a pandemic organism is almost the least important part of that organism of the pandemic loss of different organisms can cause pandemics. It's human behavior that causes the pandemic so the way we live the way we act. Politics works so international travel works. That's what creates a pandemic what we would do. Differently is have a world that's more pandemic aware and aware of their behavior and aware of the broader implications beyond beyond the personal. That's what i would do differently than international level. The wild thing about that is that if we had done that we never would have nine. What scale of crisis. We would have averted but we do know that. This isn't going to be the last pandemic pathogen that if we ever encounter and saw are we need to take these lessons going forward so that the next pandemic is a fisa like this one should main. I'm a comeback to something. We said on corona cast probably in march march april the of the beginning when prevention works. Nothing happens and so the most important thing we've learned we should have learnt is or if you went back in time is that the general community knows that when you actually have prevention working nothing happens. So that's a lesson for everything and we're facing catastrophe with climate change but it's a slow moving catastrophe and if we actually act on climate change not very much will happen and that's what you actually want to happen. So people talk about all paul early in the seventy s sixty s and seventy s doomsayers population and. so on. The are all wrong because nothing happened. Nothing happened because people did some stuff about that sort of thing and of course nothing happened. So what we learn from this is successful. Prevention is dull and boring because nothing happens. There's no drama.

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Is COVID-19 seasonal after all?

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06:48 min | 5 months ago

Is COVID-19 seasonal after all?

"Hello this is corona cost a daily podcast all about the corona virus. I'm health reported teigen tyler. I'm physician and journalist alter norman swan. It's tuesday the twenty four. Th of november cinnamon one of the questions that we've gotten a lot from people about over the course of this pandemic so far is whether it's seasonal and on one hand yes. The melbourne second wave happened in winter. But it's hard to really taes out. What's the difference between seasonality and a new virus in globe of susceptible people but in the states which is going into its wind up and also in in other parts of the northern hemisphere was seeing a really straight upwards curve a really scary looking curve. so what do we know about the season -ality or otherwise of coronavirus were joining the first wave. It was said that there was so much corona virus around swamped the effects of seasonality. Although most people expected this to be a winter virus a seasonal virus but they couldn't guarantee it and you just weren't necessarily seeing the effects of it on this week's health report podcast. I've been talking to chris maureen maher. Who's these of health metrics and evaluation in seattle and they've been doing global modeling now on the covid nineteen pandemic which has turned out to be pretty accurate so for the world for different countries and for the united states and they say that when they look at the big data they do find a seasonal effect and they. It's actually quite strong and the fascinating thing is that they predict that the virus in the united states will start to peak deaths from the coronavirus will peak roundabout inauguration day and tail off towards the end of january into february without any vaccine. You'll see a natural peaking and tailing off. We won't go down to zero but it will start to ebb away so in the joe biden was like trump. he would take four credits on day. Two of his presidency for turning around the pandemic. but it'll be natural. What's the driver for it to pay them. Is it that people interacting with a set number of people and you just kind of run out of context. How does how does that pay. Start to come down again. No it's obviously a little bit of an effect of natural museum that but even by january you still not going to see the majority of americans infected with the covid nineteen virus so a little bit of an effect because what they say. Is that even twenty percent coverage of immunity associated with some social distancing cooed tailing off. Now i think they it's simply how their virus response to temperature and although it's still in the middle of winter and pretty cold there are plenty of viruses that have most of their fates in autumn early winter and seem to die way in midwinter and influences a bit like that where influenza unistrokes tends to hit more in autumn than winter depths of winter. Not that we have much of winter. So yep they think it's seasonal tending often and if you are lucky with the vaccine the vaccine does prevent transmission then have an even more dramatic faked as the year goes through. Yeah i suppose they were some early nickname mention. It starts came out earlier in the saying that the virus survived longer at lower temperatures and in low humidity are. Maybe that's the season thing. But what does it mean for us australia. Coming into next year's winter if a vaccine isn't widely available by that time well if we've kept our international borders secure and we haven't had too many outbreaks and we're still social distancing to some extent when we need to enroll able to control then maybe not very much because the won't very much virus around but if there is a significant say outbreak from hotel quarantine for still doing it at that point. Then you could see a major takeoff and victoria. Tasmania parts of south. Australia would be vulnerable to that. So i'm trying to cross my mind that because we have talked about season on corona's before and i feel like we said that it wasn't safe no so will be wrong or is this just more information. I think you feel the wrong thing. T very different. I remember that people saying that probably was a season paper. You couldn't see it. In all the noise of an strength of the pandemic the pandemic was so strong it was masking a seasonal fake underneath the name what they thought was as the pandemic turned into an epidemic and the virus became endemic in other words. Steady in the community and keeping on recurring. Then you would see the effect of seasonality which might mean then you'd see a surge as the goats colder. I like that vision of memory. Yes yeah but no doubts kirk listeners. Who got a much better than either you. Army will fix us up. That's the lately and speaking of other research related things that we've talked about before and we now have more information about Antibodies on the only thing in our immune system and this nearly such out of monash university that shows that perhaps immunity to the coronavirus is long lasting than we feed. Yes so little bit of physiology. Here there are two elements to attack or threaten sweep elements to attacking a virus delicious. Talk of two of them for the moment. The first wave is really the antibody those chemicals in the bloodstream that attach to the spikes of the corona virus and stop it docking with tissues in our body and hopefully kill the virus as well and they're called neutralizing antibodies. now they'll come out of nowhere. They're produced by white blood cells white blood cells that produce antibodies b cells and some b cells have memory for the antibodies. They need to produce. It was a waste of energy then producing antibodies. All the time to a virus that they're not seeing but if avars enters the body they wake up and they say oh hello. I've seen this one before and they start manufacturing. Antibodies and this study identify found a way through using monoclonal. Antibodies to actually attach themselves to these b cells. Identify them they to twenty five people in march who had corona virus and follow them through to september looking at these b. memory cells and what they showed was that they maintain themselves in other words. You can still find b. Memory cells at the end of eight months so that suggests that the body retain the memory and the ability to produce antibodies to the coronavirus sars cov e to. This is not a peer reviewed study hasn't been published in a major journal yet but it is an interesting finding very sophisticated study and great needs to people who've had coronavirus but also for the quest for vaccine. That's absolutely right

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A donut day before the storm? Is six days going to be enough?

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02:31 min | 5 months ago

A donut day before the storm? Is six days going to be enough?

"I'm health reported. Teigen tyler an assistant journalist author norman swan. It's friday the twentieth of november water week. What a week in date especially for people in south australia. And if you listening with thinking of you in lockdown at the moment but norman as well. Yesterday there were no new cases in south australia there in super hard lockdown if that finding more cases over the next couple of days can i just go straight back to normal as soon as lockdowns iva well. That's possible i suspect that what The authorities will do is give themselves another four or five day window just to make sure there aren't any because the six days is predicated. They think this is a short incubation period. Virus and we talked about that in yesterday's krona cast. It's unlikely that's true. It's probably just virus coronavirus like any other and it's going to be five days and therefore might wanna wait another few days just to check it out. They'll probably release people and a bit more and allow people to go out for more exercise and so on so it's going to be much more like a stage. Three i would imagine would be fairly safe to do. Going back to zero is probably politically a bit. Risky. because you don't want to reimpose it if if more cases reappear but you might relax and let people to go out so i suspect you might be on a ten day cycle in south australia. But what do i know. It's fantastic news. There are zero cases with a lot of testing being done and is a lot of testing. It's in in proportion. It's about the same. As victoria was at the peak of their pandemic. And we've been in touch with south australian health trying to see if we can get some more information about this strain that they were talking about that that the public health officer was saying how short incubation period and was mild. But they haven't been able to release that genomic info yet so we actually nar if it's materially different to the other corona virus strains that secular around the world. It's not. You can't really be unless some mutations. has occurred this is virus. That's come in from with somebody from brisbane. It's going to be one of the circulating viruses and britain. I'm not aware that the british are saying that they've got anything peculiar but their viruses are behaving. This was said at the beginning of the new south wales when they got somebody coming in from victorian you got the crossroads motel say that they were noticing very short incubation times. It was a different kind of fires. You didn't hear much more beyond that. Because i think it was just an artifact of the cluster where you just got intense spread during the cluster. Which makes you think that. It's a different virus. But in fact a different style of virus but in fact it's not

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05:06 min | 5 months ago

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"So norman. let's talk about south australia again today. And we know that they are dealing with an outbreak there at the moment. It's really early days and it's sort of hard to tell how it's going to go <hes>. Yesterday we heard that didn't seem to be much in the way of community transmission which is good to hia. But it's a bit too early to go awesome new community transmission. We're outta the woods isn't it. It is and just need to remind cast listeners. Not they need to be reminded because they're no world authorities on the corona virus but this virus can go underground it can go underground with younger people asymmetric spread and then just pop sometime later and it can be some weeks later and just remind you. In washington state at the beginning of the pandemic it went underground for about weeks and this has been going now for over a week. Some suggestions even back to the seventh of november rather than the nine th of november. Which is what we thought the day when we started this discussion about south australia. That's a long time for the virus to be out there and circulating. And you just don't know where it's gone and there may be another sub cluster or spread somewhere else which just will pop up in a few days time or even in a couple of weeks time so you just cannot relax and it means that testing numbers should be really high. Should be looking at sewage and <hes>. They maybe even should be starting to think about asymmetric testing as well. So that you you you. You getting mass testing of communities because the numbers of tests actually luke low pro rata thinking of south australia's about a quarter of the size of melbourne population wise. They still feel low. And i don't have the numbers to hand but when there was breaking shepherds and a lot of people came forward disproportionately far more than the coming forward inside the straight and it's not just people who are asymptomatic it yes it can go under the right out people who have low or no symptoms but in addition to that. There's these few days lag between when someone's exposed to the virus and then when they start showing symptoms or test positive for it so that life cycle of the virus kind of can play on. How complacency if we let it. That's right so five days is average but it can be longer than that and the near you get to win. Symptoms would have come out but you start to become positive more and more positive five to eight days into the infection. Then that positivity rate declines and just having one test for example may not be enough. You may have to go back for more so this is something that you just cannot relax about you. Just go to be on now for the next couple of weeks. At least so. What do we know about the numbers of south. Australians who are trying to get tested. Because i'm hearing anecdotal reports that people are trying and turned away. Yup about happened to be totally in the early days where they just hadn't got the pop up testing and the increased capacity. So hopefully that's going to improve dramatically but it was pretty unimpressive on day. One in terms of the response to the numbers of southeastern is kind of coming forward for tasting. We hear krona. cast listeners. Have been telling us that they got the results. Pretty quickly as indeed shoot and in any event you don't know how many people left the lines because they got fed up waiting. It's really important that people do come forward. There was a disturbing survey from the bureau statistics which they'd survey people and find that about half one and two. Australians would not come forward for testing of the only mild symptoms they would have more would come forward severe symptoms but not mild symptoms. Such remind people that mild symptoms are problem too. But we put the call out yesterday to you listeners. Especially those of you. Who are living in south australia to say what's happening with you. And how you feeling. And a bunch of you responded. Thank you so much for that. And kate saying she waited for three hours yesterday to get her child tested but the result came back today negative thankfully in less than twenty four hours a long time to wait to get the test but pretty quick turnaround of the results. You it's really a communist. Spirit there to actually do that and get into that lines. Stick it out because you're you're thinking about others as well as yourself so that's fantastic and then we got win. Who's sort of at the other end of the spectrum saying gwynn's pretty ticked off at a massive overreaction was is she's calling it too every time someone sneezes. She was looking forward to traveling to queensland to see her parents. Nash go without being forced into hotel. Quarantine that she can't afford and she's saying that the new south wales leader is the only one being sensible about all these of course. The state is not knowing how much virus there is in south australia but that should become clear over the next few days. It probably is an overreaction to close the borders the risk is low. They could do what they did before. Which is that we know. This is a para fueled cluster and the <hes>. The clusters reasonably localized at the moment. They could limit the people coming in from those particular areas but adelaide is a small town. And so it's much harder to divide off the suburbs as easily.

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"teigen tyler" Discussed on Coronacast

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05:09 min | 5 months ago

"teigen tyler" Discussed on Coronacast

"Hello this is corona cost a daily podcast all about the coronavirus. I'm health reported. Teigen tyler an emphasis journalists dr norman swan. It's wednesday the eleventh of november. And we've had some really exciting coronavirus news in the last couple of days. Norman fiso the drug company has announced that their vaccine that producing maybe ninety percent effective in stopping the virus. Do we all just pack up corona costing go home now to. We don't need it anymore. No because has doesn't operate on press releases scientific papers that have been pure reviewed where we know what's going on you'd have to say pfizer's a bit out on. Its own here at least so far. Anyway they've announced this <hes>. Interim analysis but it's not been peer reviewed and it's quite hard to work are exactly what's going on both fighters the one who hasn't actually joined the same platform of some of the other vaccine manufacturers. Who are out in trial. And they've got their data safety monitoring board which looked the analysis of this raw. The common one is what the monitoring board is being shared by. Some of the vaccine manufacturers. So it's not entirely transparent. There's also see you have to say also commercial element in this that they want to get a jump on it and the water here is that they're going to push for emergency use authorization before their presumably earlier than the other vaccines but the question is. Is it too early to know absolutely for sure that they're safe so they sort of questions to ask here are well. What does it mean. They've said nine more than ninety percent. Effective well you gotta read between the lines. Because it's not entirely clear from their release but it's been something like ninety four covid nineteen disease cases so this is not infections. Forty thousand people yep in the boats so this is these vaccines are not designed to pretend to fiction as we said many many times on corner cast they're designed to prevent covid nineteen disease which is fair enough because if you've protect against nineteen disease then all the sars cov to becomes is a bad cold. Let's assume that we talking about which is that has been ninety four cases thereabouts. I think that's what the announced and that they're more than ninety percent effective. It's should probably mean that something like eight or so of the cases of covid nineteen occurred in the placebo group and the remainder are six or seven or whatever it is six occurred in the vaccine group. But we didn't have those numbers. Stay away from visa. We don't have those numbers but you can assume then that from from that crudely of that ninety four percent ninety percent or more occurred in the placebo group and ten percent or fewer occurred in the vaccine group. That's what that means. And therefore is a significant gap between the two groups which is protection against covid nineteen disease. That's what i assume an endless things. No major safety issues. The ninety percent number <hes>. A lot higher than what we've been talking about on corona causton in all of the full out around this announcement. I heard a lot of experts. Say that's amazing. That's a really big number much higher than we expected. So that's good news right. What's what's much higher than the regulators were willing to approve. Everybody was hoping it'd be much higher than fifty percent because fifty percents pretty disappointing and so this is really great news. If it's all right and you get superior review study of the data and goes on long enough to have a proper analysis and it's really good news for the other mini. Vaccines are just just to be clear. What this vaccine is and just a little bit of a revision on the vaccines the so the oxford vaccine and this vaccine and the moderna vaccine three scenes around the are the lead. They do the same thing in the end. Which is they put a genetic message into the cell to tell the cell to produce part of the spike protein of the corona virus and that goes into the bloodstream and the immune response the immune system reacts to that creating immunity. How the vaccine does it is uses a chimpanzee virus to take the genetic message into the sale and what bio and take the pfizer vaccine does and the moderna vaccine is. Is that parcells up amorini. Which is a parcel of genetic messaging and it goes straight into the salad self and tells the cell to produce the part of the spike protein. So this is a name are a vaccine and it's really good news because there's another mirani vaccine on the blocks which is the moderna vaccine which isn't too far behind the problem with these vaccines is that there are very low. Temperatures to transport around minus eighty of madeira. People say there's may not require that depth of temperature this makes it a very impractical vaccine for poor and middle income countries and also does make it a bit impractical even for countries like australia. Where you're going to have to coaching at minus eighty on the coaching standard frigid temperatures and the university of queensland vaccine for example will only require an a standard vaccine fridge province minus eighty. So they are vulnerable it. They do first mover advantage so that they can get out there because they know they're vulnerable to other vaccines. That might come along. Which don't require that cold chain infrastructure.

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What we still don't know about the vaccine announcement (but it's ok to be excited!)

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05:09 min | 5 months ago

What we still don't know about the vaccine announcement (but it's ok to be excited!)

"Hello this is corona cost a daily podcast all about the coronavirus. I'm health reported. Teigen tyler an emphasis journalists dr norman swan. It's wednesday the eleventh of november. And we've had some really exciting coronavirus news in the last couple of days. Norman fiso the drug company has announced that their vaccine that producing maybe ninety percent effective in stopping the virus. Do we all just pack up corona costing go home now to. We don't need it anymore. No because has doesn't operate on press releases scientific papers that have been pure reviewed where we know what's going on you'd have to say pfizer's a bit out on. Its own here at least so far. Anyway they've announced this Interim analysis but it's not been peer reviewed and it's quite hard to work are exactly what's going on both fighters the one who hasn't actually joined the same platform of some of the other vaccine manufacturers. Who are out in trial. And they've got their data safety monitoring board which looked the analysis of this raw. The common one is what the monitoring board is being shared by. Some of the vaccine manufacturers. So it's not entirely transparent. There's also see you have to say also commercial element in this that they want to get a jump on it and the water here is that they're going to push for emergency use authorization before their presumably earlier than the other vaccines but the question is. Is it too early to know absolutely for sure that they're safe so they sort of questions to ask here are well. What does it mean. They've said nine more than ninety percent. Effective well you gotta read between the lines. Because it's not entirely clear from their release but it's been something like ninety four covid nineteen disease cases so this is not infections. Forty thousand people yep in the boats so this is these vaccines are not designed to pretend to fiction as we said many many times on corner cast they're designed to prevent covid nineteen disease which is fair enough because if you've protect against nineteen disease then all the sars cov to becomes is a bad cold. Let's assume that we talking about which is that has been ninety four cases thereabouts. I think that's what the announced and that they're more than ninety percent effective. It's should probably mean that something like eight or so of the cases of covid nineteen occurred in the placebo group and the remainder are six or seven or whatever it is six occurred in the vaccine group. But we didn't have those numbers. Stay away from visa. We don't have those numbers but you can assume then that from from that crudely of that ninety four percent ninety percent or more occurred in the placebo group and ten percent or fewer occurred in the vaccine group. That's what that means. And therefore is a significant gap between the two groups which is protection against covid nineteen disease. That's what i assume an endless things. No major safety issues. The ninety percent number A lot higher than what we've been talking about on corona causton in all of the full out around this announcement. I heard a lot of experts. Say that's amazing. That's a really big number much higher than we expected. So that's good news right. What's what's much higher than the regulators were willing to approve. Everybody was hoping it'd be much higher than fifty percent because fifty percents pretty disappointing and so this is really great news. If it's all right and you get superior review study of the data and goes on long enough to have a proper analysis and it's really good news for the other mini. Vaccines are just just to be clear. What this vaccine is and just a little bit of a revision on the vaccines the so the oxford vaccine and this vaccine and the moderna vaccine three scenes around the are the lead. They do the same thing in the end. Which is they put a genetic message into the cell to tell the cell to produce part of the spike protein of the corona virus and that goes into the bloodstream and the immune response the immune system reacts to that creating immunity. How the vaccine does it is uses a chimpanzee virus to take the genetic message into the sale and what bio and take the pfizer vaccine does and the moderna vaccine is. Is that parcells up amorini. Which is a parcel of genetic messaging and it goes straight into the salad self and tells the cell to produce the part of the spike protein. So this is a name are a vaccine and it's really good news because there's another mirani vaccine on the blocks which is the moderna vaccine which isn't too far behind the problem with these vaccines is that there are very low. Temperatures to transport around minus eighty of madeira. People say there's may not require that depth of temperature this makes it a very impractical vaccine for poor and middle income countries and also does make it a bit impractical even for countries like australia. Where you're going to have to coaching at minus eighty on the coaching standard frigid temperatures and the university of queensland vaccine for example will only require an a standard vaccine fridge province minus eighty. So they are vulnerable it. They do first mover advantage so that they can get out there because they know they're vulnerable to other vaccines. That might come along. Which don't require that cold chain infrastructure.

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"teigen tyler" Discussed on Coronacast

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04:26 min | 5 months ago

"teigen tyler" Discussed on Coronacast

"Coronavirus. I'm health reported teigen tyler. Opposition journalist alter norman swan is friday. The six of remember. That's right and we already had a couple of vaccine agreements in the bag with the federal government so none of the vaccines that are in the pipeline have been approved for use yet. There's a few that are kind of front runners. And we've we've now had another two agreements be signed by the federal government to give stralia access to the vaccines when even when they become available. So that's four now potential vaccines that are struggling to gain have access to norman. What's the benefit of having a couple of horses in the race for australia. Double of reasons for this just to quickly run through. There's the university of queensland vaccine which has yet to go through the sort of final phase trials that the other three are going through. So it's a it's a bit behind so essentially. This gives us a choice of three in the near town and allows us to have a supply. So you're varying your supplier. She's something happened with the manufacturing process. So that's the first thing that happens. Secondly we're varying the technology that we're backing so others three four different technologies that were backing here with vaccines that gives us some insurance about which ones might succeed or not and it's not just if they fall over and they don't make it to approval it's also some may be more effective. Remember these vaccines will get regulatory approval if they're fifty percent effective at preventing nineteen disease not infection covid nineteen disease so if one of these vaccines does that seventy percent. Well that's pretty good and we might have one of those in the in our back pocket one of these vaccines might do it at sixty percent bought prevent as well. That would be good to have in your back pocket so really clever thing to do is to back. Different technologies for all those reasons falling over effectiveness and securing supply. Should the manufacturing process fall over and just to recap so the initial to agreements. Where between australia and the university of queensland back saying that you mentioned still a little bit further behind in its prices..

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Victoria takes a deep breath and opens up!

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04:58 min | 6 months ago

Victoria takes a deep breath and opens up!

"I'm health reported Teigen Tyler Physician and Journalists Dr Norman Swan on this really important for all pride. Victorians. Chief see the twenty seventh of October. Yes. Finally yesterday in Victoria. The Prima Donna Andrews announced the revised roadmap towards bacteria covid normal and it was a real relief for Victorians and the rest of the nation Norman what sort of the highlights of what Dan Andrews said yesterday because it's the comprehensiveness of the opening up, there is no daily dallying now retail hospitality getting back to work. Yes. There are restrictions on indoor numbers and outdoor numbers. But if you live in New South Wales, you're used to that and that will take a while to loosen up but everything just gets going and later on today the numbers in households will become clearer because that is a high risk environment. But if recycle is anything to go by, you won't really notice it too much and it will loosen up with time zones. There aren't any significant outbreaks. Milestone in starting. To have zero cases and the last time, the state had zero cases when on the ninth of June one hundred and forty days ago. So obviously, there's still probably GONNA be filtering through in the next few days but really, really hot. The. Really hot work that they've been doing paying off you know Sommese. Still be virus in Victoria and you will see the odd cluster popping up as indeed they do new South Wales, but eventually, it will get down to almost zero spread. So it's it's fantastic news. But the premiums, right it's constant vigilance is what's required covered normal does not be normal covered normal means social distancing means not getting together to large numbers too. Early it needs ring really careful at home in means continuing to wear masks outside so. Lucky. That they've got mandated masks. New South doesn't yet. You know hair salons can do services when the clients wearing face covering corona cast listeners will remember that we covered the story in a few weeks ago a few months ago I can't remember now but the flat tackle that's right. The in united. States swear to positive here salon workers did not pass the virus onto their clients by wearing masks insisting that their clients wear masks. So it's really important. So these things will protect US moving forward. One of the things that really stood out to me went any Landrus is talking about what the new normal looks like is how much the rest of the country can learn from this because in places that aren't. Victoria and you South Wales. It's been quite a long time since it's been a lot of virus circulating in the community that we know about at least and I know from my own experience living in Queensland that I think there's a lot of complacency that's crept in and it's probably a good time to just refocusing guy this isn't normal life. We still got a kate how God's up try and it could come in to come in on a ship from overseas. You've already seen problems in western. Australia nobody is particularly safe the risk of spread by open borders and I was extremely low, but it does mean we've all got to be careful moving forward. At some point, international borders are going to have to open up we're going to have to learn what covered normal actually means now new South Wales are ready to move in. You saw the football matches you. It doesn't feel to abnormals in in in in New South Wales, and that's the real feeling in Victoria but I think those two states are better prepared for this. Than the other states and we've got to open up the borders and people just will have to be more careful definitely in Australia where in a much better position than other parts of the world where covered normally is no in knee normal live, and in the states, this disease control have expanded their definition of what a close contact means in terms of someone's ability. To spread the virus if they had this definition by the way, these definitions are fairly arbitrary based on evidence. That's not necessarily very solid. So they had a similar a criterion to us which right at the beginning of the pandemic was sh- you might remember which is he going to be within a couple of meters of somebody for fifteen minutes to have a significant. Chance of passing this on and what we know now is the aerosol spread the lows that's be contravened indoor environments but no the redefined were close contact is if you just think about that as the means of spread and there's no question that a lot of spread is through contact and what they've found is that in fact, you can be in close contact with somebody. Over a twenty, four hour period repeatedly. So it's not just a fifteen minute window. It's actually multiple occasions and it comes from correctional facilities where they've shown that tired the infection was probably cumulative infection over a period of time. So it's no longer fifteen minutes. It's still two meters in the case of the United States, but it can be over twenty four hour period not just one fifteen minute window. So multiple short episodes of content

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"teigen tyler" Discussed on Coronacast

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05:48 min | 6 months ago

"teigen tyler" Discussed on Coronacast

"I'm health report, a teigen tyler, an opposition journalist Alter Norman Swan is Tuesday the thirteenth of October the advice on masks has changed a lot over the course of this pandemic. Hey at the beginning, we were getting some mixed messages about where the mosques were effective at all whether perhaps they could do more harm than good and then over time and we have talked about it a lot on this show already and you acquire vocal quite early on. In the pace that mosques are fictive and that they should be made mandatory in the heavy made mandatory in Victoria. The lightest that we know about what types of face coverings provide the most protection against carbon. So let's just do a little bit of the history going back to the can remind ourselves in the beginning World Health Organization and expert groups such as ours in the study were down on what's called Aerosol Spray..

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05:22 min | 7 months ago

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"Corona cast a podcast all about the coronavirus. I'm health reported Teigen Tyler, an opposition journalist Alter Norman Swan. It's Monday the fourteenth of September sending it blocked up then nominee aura. Oh, actually got a bit of an upper respiratory Texan fiction on Friday. Went for Covid test and the traditional neo fangio brain scrape and got the result back promptly on Saturday morning negative. Good, news but An easy. Ben Flu. Or. Hope you're on the men's sooner Yup to answering some tough questions from me today Yup and I'll be on air tonight with the health as. Well, that's true. Exactly gentlemen you. So let's talk about the vaccine. The trial has started back up again, it was put on hold briefly last week because a woman in the study had a medical event. We found out later that she was part of the trial that had received the actual vaccine. She hadn't received the Placebo and so they were question marks around whether that was kind of it, but the safety panel has given it the okay to start up again but they haven't really released a lot more information than just. The fact that it's back up again, which is good news but should we be expecting them to be more transparent or is this out question of Privacy Laws Question of privacy because some I think it's a woman is anonymous and who is seventeen or eighteen thousand people who've been recruited into the trial in Brazil UK and South Africa so far, and it would be like a needle in the history. So it's not an issue of privacy. So I mean I do think that the rules have changed. A little bit since people are watching these vaccines need a lot of trust and I can't really understand why they haven't been transparent about this people would understand. So if it was a case of the denied that it was a case of transverse, my lightest and spinal problem we talked about earlier but it must have been something reasonably serious for them to stop the trial. It's useful for people to know the reasons I think the more transparent the company can be the better and we talked about. This last week that this sort of thing happening in his face trial is is very normal and that it's to be expected and it's not a cause for concern. But like you say, this is really the first time where really the whole world is watching a vaccine being made in real time testing real time. That's right and so this isn't normal. It's it's the new normal. It's normal if you like and I think in this environment, people expect more information just so they can trust the process. With independent safety. Committee. During this by the book is going to be okay but it would be useful to know what sort of information do you think should be made public well, I think they should tell us what the event was, what the person suffered from what they put it down to and that person's going and how they came to the decision to stop the back up. Again, this what learnings could drag companies take from this experience with the Oxford vaccine I mean there's not is if they've done it terribly, they've stopped the trial done the right thing they stopped it in July we didn't get. Any notification of that. But I think that the message here is the world is looking at these vaccines..

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05:28 min | 8 months ago

"teigen tyler" Discussed on Coronacast

"Podcast. Hello, this is corona cost a podcast all about the coronavirus I'm health reported Teigen Tyler I'm physician and journalist author. Norman Swan. It's Tuesday the first of September spring here thought we'd be still talking about coronavirus comes spring. I certainly didn't well one of the cool things that's happening in Australia is that the case numbers in Victoria continue to level out and downwards and when out talking about coming out of the is really strict stage for lockdowns at their in Melbourne surrounds and they looking at sort of presenting the ride met for that on the weekend..

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03:35 min | 9 months ago

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"Talk about Victoria another day three hundred seventy four new cases yesterday when on. These numbers going to start coming down where two weeks Wuhan took about a month I think for things to turn around. Remember. We were lucky in the beginning of March and in March. We got in, and it was mostly overseas. Spread rather than hardcore communities sprayed. which is what it wasn't Han, so we're watched better comparing ourselves to community spread. Around the world drive of any Saudi, what we experienced back in March and could take a month. It's not showing signs of turnaround. I think they must be getting close to hardening up the lockdown because the longer you wait. To see whether you're absolutely sure, it's turning around and flattening the longer it's going to be at the other end the Victorian authorities sort of sounding very confident in that press conferences. <hes> is it that they know more than what we then what we get as audience members or direction they maybe just putting on a bright face. Who knows it looks like a brave face when you see their body language. They do no more than we know. They're probably not releasing a lot of the genomics until they're absolutely sure. There's the contact tracing coming in, and they're probably not releasing that. And! You'd have to say that. We Tori is not that transparent. There's always cases being reclassified being investigated being tied down. It's very hard when you're observing this to catch up as to just how much community spread there is, but still new outbreaks particularly in each care. Yes, they're single cases. The do talk about the reproduction number coming down. The trouble with that is the reproduction number. Although we've talked about the divided over yesterday or the day before the trouble production numbers, you can get obsessed with it that it's coming down there for individuals and not spreading to as many people because behaviors changing, but it's very susceptible at relatively low numbers, which is I, mean it sounds a lot. Several hundred eases cumulating fast, which means that we're getting to thousands of people with active corona virus accumulatively. Is that you can still get individual variation all you need. To Stop. Your value is one person to go out and to go to a family occasion with Corona virus. One, person to be a super spreader in an unfortunate circumstance. One person, take it away from aged care and get on a tram and and pass it on and tram, and then it just goes off and you could be as happy as you like about your volume being low suddenly you're off and running again. And this goes to how long you wait coming back to what we just said. Is that Sydney University? Modeling from early in the pandemic showed for every day that you wait to really become strict with your lockdown. It's a week added on the other end of the pandemic. And, so you go in sooner rather than later and tougher is on Victorians are Victorian listeners. It may be that they really do need to get on top of this now. Ravin hanging on because the more they hang on a on a wish, prayer <hes> maybe dangerous in terms of how much virus there is around and they did say today. Didn't they tell you that? You could don't. You can multiply by ten. The number of cases there'd be in Victoria if you hadn't done the lockton up until now, and I'm sure that's right,

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03:12 min | 9 months ago

"teigen tyler" Discussed on Coronacast

"Health reported teigen Tyler on physician journalist Alter Norman. Swan. It's Wednesday the twenty second of July two thousand twenty. And it's the hundred. Corona Cast Huda Fun. Could I show? Didn't when we first peach these podcast idea? I honestly thought it was GONNA be a messy visa. I'm very unhappy to be proven wrong. All those days, but it's just being amazing. We don't want to be self congratulatory here because we are humble in terms of our role, and all this, it's been great to have you as our audience and hope that in a little small way we'd been answering some of your questions and providing a service..

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04:45 min | 10 months ago

"teigen tyler" Discussed on Coronacast

"This is an ABC podcast. Hello. This is Karen. Kost podcast. The coronavirus I'm health report a teigen tyler on physician journalists Alter Norm Swan. It's the start of another month in this covid nineteen pandemic Wednesday the first of July, sorry Nomin, big news out of Victoria, and it seems pots of milk going back into lockdown. Can you talk us through what was announced? In Victoria, and why the Victorian government is imposing it the reason they're imposing, it is that they've got community spreads in certain areas in Melbourne much of which is in the northern suburbs, but But not exclusively in the northern suburbs. The spread has come from hotel, quarantine and other areas. We still haven't tied down where a lot of the spread has come from, and really got get this under control before it spreads to the whole of Melbourne testing really only works when you've got very small numbers of cases as a primary means of control. If you're losing control of it, the only thing that works is social distancing and that means that what you're trying to do is that. And fated. They don't infect more than one other person, and ideally they don't even one other person. At the moment in these parts of Melbourne One person who's infected is infecting maybe two and a half other people, maybe even three, and that means you've got a rapidly escalating growth in cases that's gotTa. Really get under control, and as we've said in Corona castrates right since the beginning social distancing is the thing that works when you don't have a vaccine, you don't have treatment. Attesting infrastructure keeps it under control, but they've lost control with. Testing Infrastructure and means you've got to go back to social distancing to regain control. The difference here from before that, while people can go to the shops for to go shopping or go to work with Gordon essential occupation. Schools will continue to operate. So it's not as fierce lockdown as we experienced back in March April so that. That's the situation we've got in ten post codes across Melbourne, so we've heard about so called ring-fencing over the past few days. What is that an?.

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04:15 min | 10 months ago

"teigen tyler" Discussed on Coronacast

"As we've observed a bunch of times on this show, which seemed to be a pretty good spot in Australia at the moment when it comes to it, but that's certainly not the case elsewhere in the world. More than eight million people have now been infected by covid nineteen, according to Johns Hopkins University. It took nine days for the number of infections to grow from six million to seven. Seven million and less than eight days to get to the latest millions either pandemics, not slowing down. So what's happening elsewhere in the world nominee? Will it still going I mean? The United States tailed off a little bit, but that's largely because of New York state are lots of states in the United States which are now increasing, and there are some states that look as if they actually might be suffering from a second wave like south. Carolina and the league table of cases. Is <hes> America Brazil Russia India UK Spain Italy Peru. which gives you a sense of Latin America particularly, South America is a prominent source of new cases, which confirms what people already had a lot of which is Latin. America is a significant hotspot. As indeed is Russia, and Russia has had to revise its. Deaths reporting because it had all these eight, hundred, thousand, nine, hundred thousand cases and I think it was wondering reporting rows of handful of deaths, which made the WHO query their statistics, and they've rapidly revised that we oversee the far more deaths than they're admitting to. So that's the league table at the moment, and it is spreading, and you could argue that in some parts of the world are beginning to see a second wave. China's obviously worried about this outbreak in the. Food Market in Beijing and trying to control that very very quickly. So, what does this mean for us here in Australia where we're sort of? Increased pressure open borders especially to business people well. It says that they're still a huge amount of virus circulating in the world. It's not going away, it's. And it's spreading to countries that have had small epidemics up until now and growing and second waves look as if they may be happening, so you'd be nuts if you open the border to the United States. Russia India UK still far too much. In a lot of European countries still too much virus circulating, there are some countries in the world where there's not very much, and which you could consider that, but very very careful, and in fact, the Chinese think that the source of the cases that they've got in Beijing where Chinese people returning from overseas, so it's a high risk situation when the so much virus around the. The world, so a lot of countries around the world did lockdown, and we've done that here in Australia New Zealand and stuff like that, but if it's still increasing at such a rapid right in so many countries around the world, what were the point of lockdowns? Well for the countries that lockdown early? They've had success. Tens of thousands of people have died the point is that most countries with a bad pandemic. Countries that didn't lockdown early enough, and it already established itself. That's the problem. The problem is not the lockdown lockdown. Social distancing is actually the only thing that works and they have instituted late, and the viruses got away from them. But. It's not benefited their country. Their economies are shattered. They're not able to come back fully. People are frightened to come out the statistics from the United States show that most people are still quite nervous about coming out, even though the trying to open up the economy, because it's still a lot of virus around, whereas if you look at a Sturdier with lockdown and. and. New Zealand people are not so nervous about coming up because they know there's not much virus around, so allows us to return much more strongly. In terms of our economy, the problem those countries face where the still seeing an epidemic upenn significant pandemic is nothing to show for it. They've got an economy that short they've had a field lockdown was not failed. Failed more people would have died. Had they not locked down and the natural immunity in the population that tiny levels maximum, twenty percent, some countries like Sweden, maybe only nine or ten percent, so all these people died for what when they could have actually shut down earlier, and this is just like nineteen eighteen, the cities that in places that shutdown earlier their economies. Economies bounced back better and more fulsomely and places. That waited around

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03:41 min | 10 months ago

"teigen tyler" Discussed on Coronacast

"Teigen Tyler physician and journalist Norman Swan Wednesday the seventeenth of June, so as we've observed a bunch of times on this show, which seemed to be a pretty good spot in Australia at the moment when it comes to it, but that's certainly not the case elsewhere in the world. More than eight million people have now been infected by covid nineteen, according to Johns Hopkins University. It took nine days for the number of infections to grow from six million to seven. Seven million and less than eight days to get to the latest millions either pandemics, not slowing down. So what's happening elsewhere in the world nominee? Will it still going I mean? The United States tailed off a little bit, but that's largely because of New York state are lots of states in the United States which are now increasing, and there are some states that look as if they actually might be suffering from a second wave like south. Carolina and the league table of cases. Is America Brazil Russia India UK Spain Italy Peru. which gives you a sense of Latin America particularly, South America is a prominent source of new cases, which confirms what people already had a lot of which is Latin. America is a significant hotspot. As indeed is Russia, and Russia has had to revise its. Deaths reporting because it had all these eight, hundred, thousand, nine, hundred thousand cases and I think it was wondering reporting rows of handful of deaths, which made the WHO query their statistics, and they've rapidly revised that we oversee the far more deaths than they're admitting to. So that's the league table at the moment, and it is spreading, and you could argue that in some parts of the world are beginning to see a second wave. China's obviously worried about this outbreak in the. Food Market in Beijing and trying to control that very very quickly..

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10:35 min | 1 year ago

"teigen tyler" Discussed on Coronacast

"This is an ABC podcast. Hello this is corona costs a podcast all about the virus. I'm health report a Teigen Tyler on physician journalists Dr Norman Swollen. It's Friday the eighth of May already. So I know man we're seeing some headlines around that these two strains of the corona virus and maybe they're more aggressive will. Maybe they more contagious. What do we make of these sorts of headlines so yesterday or the day before a group in Los Alamos in the United States came out with a study of genetics of the virus and the strains of the virus that seem to be dominating in places where you've got large epidemics like Italy and the and the United States and they in fair from this pattern of distribution? That the virus. That dominates is more contagious. In other words more likely to spread to more people than other forms of the virus and this is why it's survived and conquered even if that story is true. I'm not saying they're lying. But you know in other words confirmed by other studies. They've looted whether or not this particular version of the virus. You can call it a strain. The strain of the virus confers a risk of serious disease and there was no greater likelihood of hospitalization compared to other strains of the virus with. This just seem to be more contagious. Hasn't been peer reviewed yet. Ida has no like a lot of the studies. We talk about the early on and some of them will fall by the wayside. So we've tried this before we we talked about this earlier on in the pandemic where there was a group that said they had clearly defined two strains of the virus. One interestingly in Australia in a person with two forms of the virus in their body at the same time and one was more virulent than the other are. Nastier form that has evolved and that was fairly roundly debunked debunked is perhaps the wrong way of putting it but essentially other people questioned the science behind that and didn't see other evidence for it. I follow this over the last few weeks with a group in Seattle called the Trevor Bedford Lab. And they've now I think well up over ten thousand genomes of these violence viruses in other words. They've stopped they or their job partners in this project which are around the world have studied the the genes in the virus and how the genes are changing. They've seen mind are variations or mutations in the virus but nothing that too there is Luke's significant viral behavior change and their view. And it's and it's confirmed by another study again to be published but died of University College. London which has also looked at the virus. Seven thousand five hundred people and in other words they mutations two labs are saying on large genomic studies is that there's no indication that particularly nasty or contagious strains are evolving seems to be quite heterogeneous in many ways and that the mutations are simply the if you like the mistakes that occur in the genome as the virus replicates and they use these mutations to trace back the virus to where it might have come from so the bulk of evidence is that we're not giving the emergence of strains are behaving in different ways the arguments of at least the Trevor Bedford lab in Seattle. Is that if there are different ways of behavior if it looks as if a strange behavioral different way. It's much more likely that human behavior in public health practice in that area is the thing that's changing. The virus behaves rather than the virus. Changing the pattern of infection. So in other words if you the fire is virus finds itself in a community where there's no social isolation where it's a high density population like New York then it will spread really wildly and it's spreading widely in Britain where they've been late to socialize social social distancing and adequate testing. That's more likely to be the cause. Then a mutation creating a new strain of the virus. Let's talk to some questions from our audience. Now Leon is asking about antibody testing at some point. We will want to know how many people have had nineteen in the community. Are we any closer to getting an accurate antibody test? I think there are a few accurate antibody tests emerging? I think they did a study in the states of about fourteen in about four marriage being reliable. So it's not just. The sorts are the antibodies. The antibodies is the test reliable in other words. It doesn't make mistakes when in in action when thousands upon thousands of these tests and is affordable in other words. It's not true complicated. And Long to analyze in the laboratory so I think we are getting pretty close to accurate antibody test the issues scale up affordability and so on and the only is right. That the We we will want to know. At some point how much immunity we have the population and track for example. If we know there's a cluster in a particular suburb of Australia is an Australian city. Antibodies available. We might do antibody surveillance to see how much of the viruses be passing through the suburb and when it might have been occurred because one of the things. Antibodies TO MAIN. Antibodies in one in marriages early in the first week or two to month and then another one of my marriage late. So if you're picking up a lot of this early antibody called agm then you could say well. This has been circulating here fairly recently. And if you find more of the I G G to my goodness it's been here for quite a while so that's quite a lot of a lot about it and it will start to give you information about high long covered nine thousand nine hundred ninety. Stay in the bar because of the boom and nobody's GonNa clue related to that and asking Ken antibody or active virus. Tests be applauded borders to speed up the fourteen day quarantine period. Wb Game for that yet. Because we don't know whether having the antibodies means that you're immune to a second infection until we're sure about that that there's a correlation between scientists. Say You Positive. Antibody tests means you've had covered nineteen in the past. It doesn't tell you whether your immune to a future infection because the antibody response adequate the maybe slightly different antibodies which are generated which actually attack the virus more effectively. It's a lot is not known so. I don't think that you can say that at this point so we were talking yesterday about a case study in France where it looked like a guy had had car that nineteen in France in December last year. Cawley is asking just before Christmas. They go to weird virus with go riding sore throat. Lost sense of taste was hardly. We'd felt exhausted for awake but none of their family was affected. Could Collie have had corona virus ministre at Christmas? The answer is yes cawley Kutab. We play people arriving from Wuhan in December a port of departure to Australia We know that the virus was circulating in Wuhan prior to the first cases being reported at the end of December so it is possible and the case we talked about yesterday from in France. The person had no travel history to China so it is possible. And you'd have to say that if colleague got those symptoms now people would say this is covered nineteen until proven otherwise and. This is the sort of person who should have. An antibody tests done to see whether or not they are. They are positive for coffey whether or not they do have covered one thousand nine hundred ninety s and they should be talking to the GP is really quite an important question. So if you're listening Collie get your antibodies done. Just one important question before we move onto some research. Joshua's asking was Dr Norman Swan born in the USA so for him to be president very kind of Joshua but my accent is actually from Glasgow. And as far as I'm aware Breen born in Glasgow does not qualify you to be president of the United States and I would actually take that as a curse robin compliment but thank you. Joshua no not that I was born in United States. That's not a curse voting for president. That would be a curse. Well let's talk about some research. Now we've got some studies showing that the majority of vaccine skeptics plan to also refuse a kite nineteen vaccine. What does that mean for? Chances of getting immunity commentary on the United States situation. Look the reality is a lot of people. Say they're anti vaxxers when in fact they're not a lot of the people who don't get their kids immunized. It's not because they got some ideological opposition to immunization that they forget the general practitioner doesn't good recall system. It's that sort of thing. There are other priorities in people's lives and they just forget to get the kids immunized rather than being absolutely opposed to it and despite that in both the United States and Australia and the first three years of a child's life we've got a very high immunization rates I mean the patchy but overall it's above ninety percent is pretty good there are suburbs. I can't talk about United States but there are the wealthier the suburb. Paradoxically the less likely people are to have their kids. Immunized and there are group's so for example outbreak of measles in ultra orthodox Jewish communities in the United States where there's nothing the Jewish religion. That's that makes you against immunization but it was almost cultish in these communities that they should not be immunized and very bad outbreaks of measles says those sorts of that sort of patchiness overall. There's a pretty good coverage of immunization at least in children in both the US and Australia. But let's say that one fifth of people don't get immunized that still means that eighty percent of people are willing to be immunized and eighty percent is enough to give you a reasonable amount of haired immunity to have to really lower the amount of current virus in the community. So I wouldn't I wouldn't be worrying about that too much and I think you'll find that many of the people who say their anti vaxxers are not when push comes to shove. Well that's all we got time for today. Don't forget to leave us a review on Apple podcast if you can if you want to ask a question to ABC dot net they use slash corona virus and leave one there be sure to use the word corona cast. So he can find it. And we'll see you on Monday field IDA..

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09:00 min | 1 year ago

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"Podcast. All about the Vires I'm health reported teigen Tyler on physician journalist daughter Norman Swan it's Wednesday. The Sixth of May so we've continuing to get questions from the audience and paid as observed that there seems to be a slight uptick in cases this week which is about three weeks off to a sta and he's wondering whether it maybe it's because more people were travelling during that time. Well the answer is probably no and it's not a silly question because people could have been much traveling more but mingling. Were getting together more. I think that the uptake is more because we've had a couple of clusters in Australia. Because the tail end of the Bernie one but that sets settling down now so that's not really influencing today's figures but we've certainly got that growing outbreak in the abattoir in Melbourne. And we've also got the outbreak in the residential aged care facility in Sydney when you got very low numbers of cases then you don't need very many more to actually get a significant rise in percentage terms so it looks like a big increase but it's really focused. I think largely on two clusters on that Nicole asking about the virus growth factor on ABC news website. We've got a counter that shows a number and the morning. It's one point zero one. But it's been as low as point eight seeks. She's fighting this concerning. I think McCall justified in being concerned. It's a loose term growth factor to criticize my colleagues here in the ABC is probably a crude description of what's called the reproductive volume in other words. How many people you spread it to. But it's more a factor of growth in the curve. If you like so anything above one is concerning point. Eight six means is going down rather than being very explicit number of people that you're infecting and I think it's assigned going back to what I said before of the particularly to clusters gotten a at the moment one of the abattoir and one in residential aged care facility in Sydney and once those get under control and those numbers get donald seeming that the external rate of new cases doesn't change very much that growth factor will start to tip down again but it just shows the way. We're going to go here in Australia. We haven't eradicated the virus and we haven't eliminated spread the still virus circulating and we're going to have outbreaks and we'll get an outbreak and we'll have to control it and see how well we control it and before we move on. I don't think that we're going to get down to what we were hoping. Foreign KRONA CASTS. A couple of weeks ago. Which is zero in every state forevermore so on yesterday's Corona cosby talking about mate from abattoirs. And the fact that there was a hotspot in an abattoir. Roberta's asking about whether it's okay to have preserved meats like Salami. Once a year. His family buys a pig from a local abattoir Max into Salami which is cured with salt for a couple of months. He's asking we'll assault killed. The Corona virus are the short answer to that is. I don't know it's likely I'm not gonNA comment people having their own backyard. Smugglers prepared there are probably more risks in preparing your own small goods from food poisoning than there are from covered nineteen or other viruses. I think it's likely just on General Principles. What we know of how long the virus lasts. He's that can last a long time on cold surfaces on an freezing. But that's not what you're talking about here. You're talking about curing. Salt does get rid of a lot. Does it go to the covered? Nineteen virus I don't know of any research which suggests that but it's likely that the park in your cure park will be He'll be safe. See nobody can guarantee that any way the let me just talk about the American situation with abattoirs. They have loot in the United States about whether any evidence of animal to human spread. Say in in abattoirs and they haven't found any particularly from pigs. Pigs can get infected with corona virus known as Sallie this one but other corona viruses. They haven't found evidence of that so the Avatar situation is Worker to Worker Spread Rob van animal to human spread so I think overall the likelihood is incredibly low and pre safe. We've got event asking about travel between the states and New Zealand. So these giant states haven't been their borders for travel yet but is jumping the gun to suggest that the borders will be opened between Australia and New Zealand depends win. I think just into our is talking about some weeks hence not now. I think that they want to stabilize. The situation in New Zealand had more work needs to be done on their testing and public. Health regimes there. They had not spent a lot on public health in New Zealand for a while so they had a lot of infrastructure bill to to happen. I suspect they want to be sure that. That's solid before the open up but that could happen quite soon in trauma Australian travel. I mean. Hopefully that will open up quite soon. Particularly if the non cluster outbreaks show that the community spread elsewhere. Pretty low then. The risk to interstate travel is fairly low but when it does open up there will be cases in other states where they've had none but how long can we closed our internal borders as long as we got the testing regime in place in the communities. Committed to going forward for testing of the Governor Code. Then we should be able to control things. One more question from audience at Michael is asking. Is it possible that Ebola and corona virus could mutate into a more potent virus? I assume that he's talking about can the meat and genetic sense form something. That's really nasty. I don't think so. There are two different species of virus. So it's like saying a dog. A cat mates. I don't think that the Ebola virus can can Ken viruses mutate at all. They're not really alive. Is more bacteria that have this issue where you can actually be infected with viruses kind of viruses which then can transmit genes between bacteria. This is one of the ways that antibiotic resistance spread between bacteria and viruses where genetic material carried by kind of virus on the bacterium gets transmitted to other bacteria. So it's they're kind of covered. Nineteen they spread between themselves so as Jean spread through viruses. That doesn't happen between virus virus so I think that the chances of Ebola and corona virus meeting up and making something magical. That's more potent is highly unlikely interesting. There's more than one form of Bola virus around people. There's just one there's more than one and so they're they're still pandemic potential out of Ebola and it's unlikely. The Corona virus will mutate into a potent virus. It's much more likely to mutate into a more gentle virus. Time goes by sorry. Let's talk about some research now. One of the first theories about corona virus was that it was made worse by the use of some common heart medications but Norman. There's some new research out that's giving us a bit more information about this. Use just a little bit of explanation here. The locking key mechanism by which the virus gets into the body. You'll fits into the log is a receptacle to as two receptor and the theory was that certain blood pressure medications and medications that you take after you've had a heart attack code ace. Inhibitors and NGOs tension receptor blockers up regulate the ace two receptor in other words. You get more of these receptors and therefore there there's more places morlocks for the virus to lock into and the theory was that you should stop these drugs or some people suggested you should stop them in case it made you more susceptible and a study done in Italy. Six thousand people showed that indeed people who had covered nineteen were more likely to be on those medications but that's probably more of a function of their age and the more likely to a heart attack. It did not predict worsening disease. And so it really reinforces advice. That emerged fairly early on in the pandemic that you don't stop these medications because they're going to do much more good and there's not much evidence if any of harm so when we did our myth busting episode a few weeks ago. We talked about these Smith around. That ibuprofen made covered nineteen worse. Is this the same kind of mechanism that people were worried about? Through was that ibuprofen non STEROIDAL anti inflammatory agents up regulate the is two sector and again. There's not much shot data on that at all to suggest that that's true so I think that if you're not getting a signal on these heart medications and similar mechanism although a different drug. It's probably unlikely that Ibuprofen is going to be a problem. Well that's offer today. Don't forget to leave us. A review on Apple podcast if he can and if you want to ask a question to ABC dot net dot Edu Slash Corona virus and leave one there and be sure to use the word Karuna cast so we can find it and we'll see you tomorrow bye..

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