13 Burst results for "Ted Walsh"
The Final Furlong Podcast
"ted walsh" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"Vast majority in my experience of positive test results is a contaminated feed supply or some kind of contamination got into a drink or something, it wasn't an effort intentional to try to dope a racehorse. Certainly not the vast majority of the time. And if every single time a positive test result is being treated where you're basically almost being rounded up by the FBI and CIA, that's not the best way of handling it. While at the same time, we need to be able to take the right necessary steps to ensure that the integrity of the sport is protected at all costs. Yes, it's in the trainer's interest that we have a clean industry as much as anyone. And what is difficult is we have strict liability and total responsibility. You know, anybody can go and stuff, walk into a racehorse box of some other, some trainer, give it something. And, you know, the trainer is then totally utterly liable because even though the racecourses in Syria have security and cameras, it is up to the trainer to ensure that the staff sit outside that box, even if it's snowing, raining, freezing 24 -7 when the horse is at the stable. So if it's an overnight stay, you're expected to do too much for what we can provide, really. Yeah, and even in Ireland, there was a famous incident with Charles Burns. And the CCTV may very well have been the Ted Walsh issue, actually, but I know that came back around for the Charles Burns story where he ended up being banned for six months. That CCTV issue has still not been resolved in the Republic of Ireland. So on one hand, that's the Irish regulatory body saying you must do this, you must do that, you must do the other, but then they themselves aren't actually backing that up with action. And a similar thing could be said about the UK and the lack of CCTV, high -quality CCTV in British racecourses. And the management of it. The racecourses are under the rules of racing, are meant to keep it for so long. When it comes to shove, the magic times, when it's become important, it's not there, or it's been fudged, or there's something wrong with it. At the end of the day, you can actually see a well -known criminal go into somebody's box, as some horses box, but unless you actually see them administering the drug, whether it's by mouth or by injection, the trainer remains responsible. That was the case up in Newcastle not so long ago. The trainer was still responsible. Even though people were inappropriate, people were seen to go into this horse's box, the trainer still got fined. Strict responsibility is coupled with the anonymous email telephone line, is a sword of Damocles hovering over every trainer. Anybody who wants to get revenge on a trainer can somehow quite easily drug a horse, whether it's in a yard or at the stables. They're assisting the BHA's anonymous telephone line is actually advancing criminality. And then when there is proof of misdeeds from somebody else, it can be just described as well as circumstantial, so unless you actually have the footage of the guy administering that drug to that race horse, I'm sorry, it doesn't matter that they're a known criminal, they get to walk away. That is a fairly depressing situation. Do you feel as though the BHA are lacking in this, that there isn't really leadership from them to try to resolve that issue and to put in place a more robust set of circumstances to defend racing and to protect horses and trainers from ill intent like that? Yeah, I think they should spend, there should be within the BHA, the integrity department, they have an investigatory team, but they just investigate what's happened. They play, they do the basics, but they don't have a group of people who actually come out and say, no, we know the guy didn't do it, and we think we know who did do it, and that's the end of that. But no, no, they always take it to the nth degree whereby a trainer, because they have this strict liability law responsibility rule, they don't really need to as well as the department within the integrity department. But you know, the trouble is the integrity department are law under themselves. They are not, they are totally unaccountable as far as I can work out. Nobody can hold them to account. And if you do hold them to account, they don't like it. So it's perfectly okay for them to question every little minute detail that trainer does. But if you start to ask about their governance of the sport, or you question their method of investigation, that might not go very well. That goes down very badly. And if you find them out, the correspondence ends quite quickly. Who polices the police? That's the tagline for line of duty. That's a pretty depressing Well, exactly. You know, the BHA need an AC12 within them, without them, without them. Interestingly. Well, can we get Steve Arnett down to the BHA, please? Can we get that done? You might end up flying out the window. Mary mother and the sweet baby Jesus. That's absolutely brilliant. Yeah, you know, I accept that, you know, they have a job to do, and they should do it. But the history of their ability to do the job in a transparent way. It's been, I can give you chapter and verse, but that's the book, I think. And I think we're all looking forward to getting the Huey Morrison book. Do you have faith in the BHA overall? No, I don't.
The Final Furlong Podcast
"ted walsh" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"The line. And Fletcher is celebrating the crowd going wild. What is the feeling for you? Well, I was only only in desolation for a short while. By the time I'd pulled up in the ladder got hold of him, the thrill of what we had done just engulfed me. And money could not buy it. I know I've said that before, but it was such a thrill to jump those fences and they're trapped, you know, you've got drops, but you've also got fences like the chair, where the ground is raised on the landing side. So it's there to catch a jockey and a horse out. I mean, it's not very good for the public to hear it's trappy, but that's what it is. So for him to do that, at speed, never even pausing or stumbling or anything. It was just elation, very quickly elation came back. I remember years ago watching an interview you did with Steve millis and you were talking about how I think it was when you jumped the last Fred winter turned to the owner of crispin said, we're going to be beaten. He turned to the owner whose Australian come over the race and he turned after we jumped the second last and he said, will be beaten. So that was because he could see photographs now crossing the line. And in fact, we digitally altered one friend of mine. And we've got Chris winning by Harper led, actually relevant. Saudi for our own enjoyment. No, but Fred went had seen that we were starting to falter and it's a long way out between the middle of the second last to the winning post. And he said that to the owner at the time. But what a bold horse once he was flagging to keep going. The overall picture of the race though. Fascinated by the fact that in 1973, secretariat won The Kentucky Derby and we know what he went on to do, the effect that he had on the breed. And red rom emerges as the victory of the victory of the grand national. Is there a consolation for you in that he would go on to race in 5 grand nationals, place into, but be the only horse to win three. And if he hadn't won that race that year, perhaps that wouldn't have happened. No, how I view it if red Roman hadn't turned up. Chris would have won by 25 lengths going out in front so far like a race we'd never seen before. It would have also boosted the let's say the national thing. And red run, would have then come out the next year and won it because he'd have been still on ten stone 5 or something, you see. So no, but I am very proud to have been involved in that situation in racing history. You mentioned his run against redrawn off level way to doncaster. What happened to Chris after that race? We got a leg attendant injury. That's why we didn't get back to any more grand nationals. He did win after that, but he was beaten and whitbread in a few big races. But it was basically he had a tendon injury. And he's a big horse, he was actually given to me when it was decided not to run in the game. And by the time they'd got the leg good enough seemed to come into me to go hunting, they had decided that the old box country, which is here where I am. It was not good enough for him because he was a frontrunning bold horse. So they said, look, if you don't mind, we've decided not to give in to you and we're going to send him to the zetland hunt in north Yorkshire almost into a way, way up anyway because it big open land where the horse could gallop and jump. And in fact, he hunted for 8 years, so called John trotter is a state used to write him. And he died on a Sunday morning when all the local landowners after 8 years decided after the hunting season finished, they'd have a jolly over their estates. Let's just gallop and jump whatever's in front of us. And he died of a heart attack jumping offense now. What better way for him to go than wasting away? When I was doing exactly what he loved. Yeah, yeah. Buried him at the entrance to John trousers estate. At scotch corner. And they put a flowering cherry tree on him. And I had to do the obituary. And for the horse and her and I could remember that last paragraph is. And forevermore, grand national week, there will be pink petal tears floating down onto Chris grave. And I started crying every time I read it. But the cherry tree has since died and they've encased it in not quite so that stone wall with a big round stone with his name on it on top. So there's a long memorial. And of course, red runs buried on the winning line in the standing position at injury. Both of them given incredible resting places and proper memorials as well, which is beautiful as they very much deserve. My first time visiting injury race course, the first thing I did was go down to the winning line to see red rooms. And these burial place. What do you think will win this year's race then? I think it's going to be fury road. Yeah, I bet that's one of 12 that I've got written down here. Because I think nobody eats your namesake. And it's that Mullins trained last year. And I backed in at 66 to what he was screaming to be back for three reasons. A Whaley Cohen who just bought in had the 5th horse from the previous year. Called jets or something like that. And if he is now buying one, it was still roaming. Buying one, he must think it's better than last year's 5th. The next thing is Sam Whaley Cohen has the best record over the big fences hot hunters and beaches and all those other chases of any jockey riding at that time. The third thing was he'd been second to a hoist in your who came out and won a grade one on the Thursday. It was screaming to be that. But anyway, I think it went again. He's gone up 19 pounds, but he was third in the chocolate gold cup in March running on like stink. He's a standout for me, but the 19 pounds more. He's got to carry obviously make it more difficult. But you know, you and Ireland have you hold the nap hand here with so many. I could give you stories that there's fairy stories for nearly all of them. Any second now being placed last two years, but he's 11 and Ted Walsh trains him wow, what an interview with that would be if that was.
The Final Furlong Podcast
"ted walsh" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"14th shot, gay, are the menil, the cheltenham winter 14s, and longhouse poet, a 14 to one shot with Beth dak as we record. What are your thoughts on the grand national and who are you with Neil? Well, current rambler, I mean, I'm just going to say one thing about Derek Fox. What a good rider is. It's class, really. I think he's just to take us back to Shelton for a moment. But his ride on coric rambler last year was really good. And he emulated that again this year. And I just think Derek Fox deserves more credit as a rider, really. I think he's very, very good. And he's a brave rider. I think he can do it and come from the back actually. I think he can do that. I'm just, I agree with you. I can't see the price going short in the 6 to one now. I really can't. But I just, I'm slightly concerned with that cheltenham run coming here a bit with him. I'm keen, I think delta work could run a big race. I know you raced at Shelton as well. Look really good in the cross country. He has got that class about him. He was third in the race last year. You could argue, why don't you look for a horse that hasn't run entry before sometimes. But I do think he can run another big race for me. And he must have a good chance of minimum being in the frame. And perhaps he was given just too much to do last year as well for me. And I think that makes sure he's a bit closer. And less work to do at the finish. But I think he can he can come and go and the ground is looking like it's going to be good to soft the forecast a bit mixed. But I'm interested in delta work. As one of my prominent selections there. I wonder who would you feel about that? What's your feel about delta work? I like them a lot. He's pretty much bump proof in terms of getting around and being involved in the finishes. You did though allude to maybe we should just be going looking for horses that haven't run in the race before and Paul Ferguson's excellent work. The cheltenham festival betting guide leads into entry and they include for the last couple of years they've included the entry races as well. Which is terrific value. And he makes the point in it this horse is either defending champions horses who ran in the race the year before, don't have a very good record. Only two of the past 38 winners had won or placed in a grand national previously. So it's not like a hedge hunter situation where clearly he was tiring and maybe too much use was made of him 2003, 2004 when he fell and then a year later he comes out and goes. And it's a bizarre statistic because you'd imagine if it was placed in the race the year before, they would have a really good chance of going on to win a year later, but maybe I don't know. It's a hard one to put your finger on. It's a little bit like why is it that the winner of the kado star novice chase can not possibly win the brown advisory, just doesn't happen. Why can the chalo hurdle winner just get beaten in the ballymore? Despite an almighty gamble beforehand. There are some stats that don't really make a whole lot of sense at the same time. They're very difficult to get away from. So from an each way perspective, I wouldn't put you off at all. I backed him in the race last year. And I think a double figure price is fair, but because he will be there. And he does have that element of class about him. I'm intrigued as to who's going to ride him because there's this thing coming up. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. It's a remark on who's going to ride delta work. Can we get Dennis on the line? His Dennis available today. Michael, what do you reckon? I mean, Dennis is in a good spot here because he's, he's prepped, he did the prep run on Ted Walsh's horse, whose name is going completely out of my head. Any second. Anything. Thank you very much, my friend. I'm only a professor. You would think geezers. But he's given him his winning ride. Now mark is back so that means mark will be on board. You would think. Yes. But that means Dennis is available for Delta work. Gordon Elliott said something on Wednesday while we're on air. That Davey, if he didn't like how things ended at cheltenham and he would hate for Davy to go out that way and wouldn't it be great if Davey was to be able to win at the grand national and he has the right on galvan if he wants it. But it was only after he said that the Davy actually said anything at all about writing. And saying, it's basically echoed where Gordon said that he wouldn't want to go out that way, but he's not going to write it fairy house. He is going to ride, it looks like he's going to ride at entry, or at least that's what he's intimating. But he's hoping that there would be a support ride along the way that he could write something on the Thursday or the Friday. I don't know about this at all quite frankly. I'm not so sure a Davy should be writing. Maybe maybe Michael Leary was harsh to say what he said, but maybe he was right. Because he didn't go well at children. It just didn't. You can spin this whole comeback thing around and say, well, he came back out of retirement and he won a grade one of the Dublin racing festival isn't that great. Yeah, but what did you do at cheltenham? Nothing. And it did not go well. And you need to be in peak physical, but also mental form. I'm not saying anything, but I'd be concerned. I'd be a little bit concerned. The best of luck to him. If he is going to ride,
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"ted walsh" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"Most volume point. Maybe somebody knew there was an adequate CCTV and they knew it would be the place to get away with it. They need to wear a latest horizontal. There's no irregular bedding patterns and came up for the race. So it's just a strange case all over it. If you're going to try and level the horse, you know them for a reason and the number of plane lay them and get a few good over, but no regular Benton patterns for that. It's disappointing that a track jumper standard with the money that's involved in ways nowadays can have these in C so you can see it in your local shop that Peter Morphy on the other corner. You have a decency, CPD, and it doesn't reflect well on the transfer. But you can buy them on Amazon and set them up at home yourself for your own CCTV footage at home if you want. You can literally like super glue a camera to your door that will beep you if someone comes to your door. Like that's the level of technology that we have now. There is no excuse for these trucks not having CCTV and we went in hard on the IH or B after the whole Ted Walsh fiasco. And the guess what? CCTV still not done. Years later, it's still not sorted out in the Republic of Ireland. Never mind the fact that we still don't have sections of art. Jesus, go down a whole rabbit hole there. But this all came to light because the horse tested positive for a banned substance in 2020. We have talked before on the final for a long about how excuses elaborate excuses have been given about stable staff members who were drug users, urinating in the stable, and then the horse drinks that urine. And that's how they end up getting testing positive because they're getting the transference. But that's not the story here. Apparently, there was a staff member who to be on drugs, but that staff member couldn't possibly have been there on that day, and no longer works for the yard. In the first place. So the insinuation here is that John buffer did nothing wrong. It's an elaborate defensive if he, if he did come up with the story, he's highlighting this. So I don't think he did anything wrong. They're forced into a position where they have to find them because of the fact that the horse tested positive, but it is quite alarming, Lucy. The John butler is going public about this because it undermines the sport. If anybody starts to think that you've backed or bombs out of a race, when they're a second favorite or favors, and there's no explanation being given for us. Sometimes horses just don't run the racist. They're not machines, but if people start getting it into their heads that all that horse was got at, that horse was novelty. That's a dark path for the sport to go down. Yes, strange in all respects, isn't it? I mean, obviously not good that the season TV is not up to scratch probably nighttime racing at channels but as well doesn't help but they also need to look into that and maybe do better checks on arrivals I would say as well for all the stable staff you don't want to be doing that that sort of thing do you but strange case all around the fact that the horse is obviously tested positive for this drug and then there's no evidence I still how it's got into the horse's system and where it's come from lack of CCTV. So it's just a real gray area in all respects and the fact that the train has come out and very publicly spoken about it. He's obviously, you know, he's obviously willing to do that and the highlight that there's some issues going on there. Yeah, it just grossly undermines the sport. It is staggering to think that in this day and age there is not proper security CCTV footage at all race courses. Irrespective of this is just that the spark shooting south in the fort. This is stupid. It shouldn't happen. Exactly. You know what I mean? A simple thing like that. CCTV on the stables. How am I being 70s about? Come on, like it's 2023. It's so simple. As you said, you can avoid them on the Internet for a little bit. And we still don't have a ridiculous and if people see the
The Final Furlong Podcast
"ted walsh" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"As we take another look back at the 20 23 cheltenham festival, we'll focus on the championship races in the company of top Chucky Dennis Oregon fresh from his victory on any second now. Putting the finishing touches on it for the grand national Dennis welcome back. Thanks for having me on. Magic ride the other day, by the way. What kind of a field did any second now give you with a view to the grand national? He's a wonderful artist. I mean, look, I was a pleasure to write him. He's 11 but in the rare wonder national at 11 and it's definitely not out of reach for any second now. He jumps super, feels fantastic. And look, there's no better man than Ted Walsh to ready one for a grand national and be very hard to see him out of the frame again to be honest. Yeah, he's pretty much bomb proof to make the frame at least. Can you win it? That remains the question. Grand national special coming your way on the final front podcast very, very soon. And we're also joined as normal on a Monday slash Tuesday. If I get my days right, broadcaster and top trader from bedc Barry call, welcome back to the show Barry. Good evening Emma good evening, Dennis delighted to be back on and yet say Ecuador sentiments great and a good weekend for you not an open noise table. So well don't tennis and loyalty on this. Thanks very much. In the end, Dennis made the right decision to stay at home. And that decision was very much endorsed by his success in Ireland as well, but will be great to be able to get his insight into what happened at Shelton beginning with the champion hurdle, which went to constitution hill. He is every bit as good as they said he was, and he's probably even a bit better than that. A stunning 9 length victory for Nikki Henderson superstar Nico de boinville literally book blowing kisses to the crowd before coming across the line. What was the market reaction from beta and just how short did he go, Barry Cole? You know what, Emmett, he almost pushed two to 5 on the day. I think it was a bit of one 39 available. Maybe he may be even did watch one 40 yards on the exchange. So look, for a serious ponder on that, I know hindsight is great for two to 5. He was so impressive. It wasn't. He went forward to a level. So there was a bit of one 40 in the low one 40s about them and buying the drama got anti post better. It's long dead and she will touch on this on the show. This even the amount of horses that went off almost double deployed that they were 6, 8 weeks ago, having raced in their actual targeted races was incredible. It really was, so like as I said, the value of Randy postponed and it really dead and buried. But look, onto the champion hurdle, oy for one was one who was trying to pick holes in constitution hills and looking really clutching at straws to try and pick holes in a but I tried a few times with luck. He was absolutely magnificent all the way around. Never put a foot wrong, I suppose. Jump at the last and you might have just missed the heartbeat for a second and then they showed a couple of different angles and they're blaming shadows on the track and I'll listen to that in the whole lot shadows at the horror of what it doesn't seem to affect from the force time around really. You don't see that many horses making mistakes out at the first time, but always seems to be coming to our home at the last fence, but he was absolutely brilliant. He got a lovely lead into the race, look, Dennis was right, I was talking about the likes and not so sleepy Michael art and film, but then I said that he wouldn't have the gears to go off and film. He couldn't really lead up with them. He was gone over by the fort or 5th. I think Sam twisted that it was in fairness to them. They went there to try and win the race. They really cast them, they finished second last in the end, whereas David Russell lands on here, who tennis gave a great mention in the show a couple of weeks beforehand. He rolled them for a place and he rolled a crack and race and way of being able to get the horse to place. But back to the way our constitution had he was absolutely brilliant. He also also impressive power to the lion. You can't pick any holes in the performance at all. And the big question there was, where is he gonna go? Because Michael Buckley seems to be a fairly sporting owner. He mentioned Roy Alaska after the race. He mentioned the ark after the race. He mentioned go and chase and so that is probably why he is available at near enough even money to win the champion hoard of the next year. Now look, it's a lot of water to pass on the bridge. It's 360 odd days until we meet there again for them. Yeah, he's around about even Molly. I don't think it's his ability that you're betting on. I think it's just what sort of party is going to go because of deterrence to begin there. He will be nowhere near even only next year. Oh, he mergers this lot for the next few years, or whoever emerges on the scene as a potential rival to him from the novices. Nothing will touch him. But by the sounds of things, he's not going back for a champion hurdle. It appears as though Michael Buckley is a very sporting man and does want to go novice chasing with them. There's a story in the racing post today about his ambition of trying to emulate what dawn run achieved by winning a champion hurdle and a gold cup. I'm here for it. They mentioned that with any power, they never did it. They mentioned it with fahim. They never did it. I think it's incredibly brave. I would take the chicken root out and just keep trying to mop up these races. Similar to this little crack, I would have kept him over hurdles. But thankfully, Michael Buckley is the man who owns the horse. Dennis, just how impressed were you with him as a man who has written multiple children, first of all, successes and you've ridden in the champion hurdle. What was your overall impression of him? And what would you do with him next year? Would you stay over hurdles or send him novice chasing? I think Emma is the most impressive champion I've ever seen. And now I am that is not, you know, I didn't just block it from the sky. I just taught he was phenomenal. Yeah, he was very own complicated. He kept it very simple enemies jumping was electric from a to B oh my God, it was so quick and even the like statement I talked statement would actually give him a raise, but I was wrong. He just was just so impressive. He's got all the attributes to be a star. I'd say it will be the next is to brac and you could probably win three champion hurdles. I just thought he was so good and even I promise you, Emma, do you know the way he jumped the last in the champion horror unless there are less power, less ability or one comment at the end of third header would not have got over that jump from where he came from. It was phenomenal, athleticism he was just unbelievable. And you know, I was happy on so many fronts because I think Britain need a good release that really good star. I think they've got one. I think for Henderson, he's in the twilight of his career. I think it was great for him. And I'm sure Nicki would like to train his tent champion harder with her if he could get there.
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"ted walsh" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"I have to say. Yeah, I'm probably going to say to brandy love just on this occasion. I think she should not be in punch down and improve performance here and William Holland's record in this race is phenomenal. And I'll probably just brandy love to win. Is this the force one of your Yankee Dennis will have stick it down for a brandy loaf? No, I'm going to say I'm going to I'm going to wait a little bit more to Barry I need to have a little think about that Yankee now but just on this particular race I think I'll be cheering for horizontal like I said she's the queen of Ireland with the queen of Ireland on our back, but I just nervous a horror now and I just don't know if Mary's rock turned up here. She would be in my Yankee, you know? But I'm just not sure if she's definitely going to run on this and she turned up in this sheet when I think. And so look we'll see. Yeah, a lot of Hogwarts and I've probably played a series as well. So it'll be, I think brandy love and I know that's good enough for him for me. In that contrast I'm wrong to put these two bang in the bang in the picture here for this race. It's going to be a crack in real and my thoughts would be very similar to Dennis's. Echoes and rain, I would have loved echoes and rain in the county. After my ilet project completely fell apart. Yeah. Her form figures in fields of 18 or more, including on the flash are one, two, one, two. And Willie Mullins has a 26% strike rate with the progeny of authorized at Sheldon. I just wander a little bit about the distance. I watch back the Hatton's grace today. And again, a two out Ted Walsh is absolutely right. If you stop at a two out, you go how far it's how many soccer win by. Echoes and rain comes down to it. And she was making a move. She was right there. Now it's way too far out to know what would have happened, but she probably would have been involved in the finish, and she was very good the last day at nase, just wonder about the trip for her. I think if something comes out, if something was to come out, go to the high profile ones came out of the champion hurdle, they'd reroute her there. They seemed to be happy enough to go for that, but she wouldn't be enough to beat statement, and she certainly couldn't have to be constitutional. And I'm with you on brandy love. I was very disappointed in the moment upon. And then later that night, I watched it back and I was thinking about apple's Jade when she switched to Gordon, being beaten in that race, and how she turned it around. Lamini beater and 20 days later or in and around that, she beats lamini in the mayor's hurdle. And she's given away the penalty. She's running on tacky ground. It was her first run of the season. She was going the wrong way. She did jump out to a race a few times. And the most fascinating piece of analysis that I've ever heard about that race comes from you, Dennis. And it's what you said here on the podcast that they're not, they weren't on the main punches down track. They were on the inside inside track. And it's a dog track and you basically need to be out in front. Which is exactly what Jordan gained for did on queensborough and also look at the market the way the market pandas. Like she went from odds on to odds against meanwhile queen's brook went from odds against to, if not odds on close enough to it. She went from 9 to four into 11 to 8 before they offered. So there was a massive swing. She clearly needed it. She butchered love envoy last year in various. Go in the wrong way. And I think she's a very, very talented horse, and the younger legs of Brandi love might just be a little bit too much for honeysuckle. So I'd be with her. And I think we will have the one too. I think it's going to be Brandi love and echoes and rain with an honorable run for any circle. And I'm flipped on honeysuckle there, because a few weeks ago I was thinking honeysuckle is going to murder them. The more I look at it, the more I favor Brandi love. Your last point of the race? Yeah, I think look, I hope I have one of them now ever have all been improved wrong with Hollywood soko and I hope she comes out and wins because she's obviously she's so good and she's been great for the mayor herself and the jockey. And look, it will be a great way to fitting into her career but I just have a sneaky feeling that she might just sit 9 years of age now competing at that top level for so long stretching her out to two and a half. You know, she's always been vulnerable even in them patterns, grace. There was another time she won a hat and gray especially she looked like she was only just about getting home. That's right. The two and a half, which is really going to stretch her in my opinion. And I'd be more worried about the trip than I would anything else.
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"ted walsh" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"Interest in trying to pick anything for the grand national state. And if nobody gets went and bolted up on the gold cup, and they were still offer ten to one, I'd still have no interest in it. And the way the bet has gone for the grand national lately, you're just being, I should be saying this is a bunch of just going to get wrong. It's such a lottery. It's incredible. You know, as I say, if nobody is bolted up in the golf course, it's going to go off off the wall or something like this for the grand national, it's just the amount of things it's for me, the grand national is and always has been. It's a sitting down with the family race. People haven't taken two or three horses, they're by the name, having a flavor each way and something out of each place. That's all it is for me because it's such a lottery as a radius. It's an absolutely. Do you remember the horse Tony McCoy was on years ago? I forgot the name. And he was carried there, wasn't he? Oh, no. Yeah, but you know, there you go. And absolutely penalty kick past halfway. And then some horse started falling a half mile break is just run and carry them out. You can't legislate for that. You know, you could have done all your homework, you picked the best horse in the race, and something like that happens. So for me, the grand national is just a phone race and it forced the pixel. I thought the big dog was running at 11% in a quality race until he fairly railway chapter on the Welsh national. So he stays. He's a bit of quality to build him something like that, but whatever you have a modern flavor each may not. That was the second time that clan royal was very unlucky in that race because for Liam Cooper and nearly took the wrong course the year before. Oh yeah. Both years I was on him. So they remember Jonah. Oh my God. The other horse that stood out to me was let me lose. I thought, speaking to Dan and Harry skeleton in the last few weeks, they both sound pretty bullish about them. Everyone I think has got a horse lined up for the grand national is going to be bullish at this stage. But that win in the gold cup, the Hennessy gold cup or whatever it's called these days at the coral gold trophy handicap chase. That looks really well. That reads very well that he beat remastered fair and square, re must have just come out and bolted up and would be a strong side of the handicap as well. Very good. If that horse is look, I know it's a cliche at this stage, but if that horse is trained by William Mullins, first of all, he's a much shorter price than 25s or better. And secondly, there's no way he's un American one 5 two. I just don't believe for a second. If let me last was trained by Gordon Elliott, Willie Mullins, he'd have America one 5 two. And maybe that's Alex Jones tinfoil hat conspiracy theory stuff, but mark of one 42 is fair. He couldn't have gone up massively. But it's fair. It's very fair. And it's been the target for a long time. So I think if you erode isn't going to stay, then let me last is the one that I go for currently, but just like the two lads have said. We need to get a little bit closer to the race. We've got a few more races to go through. But there's been a lot of talk about the whip. And while we're not going to delve into it too much, because we don't have to, because we got good old Ted Walsh for that.
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"ted walsh" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"English national and he turned out to be the best jumper in the world of certain unique fence ten, essentially that he can just take to them. Yeah. Vanilla Tiger roll, I don't think ever felt, even though he looked like fallen 20 times an array of ones. But he never fell, whereas the likes of Anil, he has taken a couple of falls and then when he looks at a big big sort of a unit and look, you couldn't rule it out, I wouldn't rule it out, but I'd be just Jewish at 25 to one with him. I've been nervous of his farm. He wouldn't, he wouldn't call it from me now. He wouldn't call it for me. For those who actually take a roll, I think you will find now he actually did. He own Caesar's, which isn't the same as four. So we'll just correct that record before the tweets start coming. Well, actually point of order there is something tennis or we can say and you will recreate in which Kennedy, you know what? So yeah, look, you did, but it's a very different thing. The weights came out. So if there was any horse in the world that you could ride, Dennis, who would it be in the grand national? I was going to say the big dog where he fell last time. I wouldn't want to go near himself. Well, I do know that the weather be Sheldon festival bedding guide normally what Paul does is they release a separate entry book, but this year they've actually combined both entry and cheltenham. And so I was going through the stats. And horses who have fallen twice have a horrible record in the grand national. 7 year olds have a harbor record. But okay, nobody eats it last year, but all the way back to 19 diggity do. And instead of taking the Pis we actually mean that it was the 1940s for the last 7 year old. So bear that in mind for the likes of Garrett the menil, but any horse that I could give you the right on who would it be? Well, before the national weights, can I would have said any second now? I would have said it just been just being me now. He's been placed in two of them and he's going to be placed in another one now. He's not going to win it with that wave. I'd probably ride gillard. I probably would. So until I read that 7 year old style. They'll definitely get around. Not to share. Again, but he was 5th in the last one, I can't see how he's going to isolate that house going to make up for a place. I think he was about 80 something lens as well. I don't have any thoughts on it. So I can't see that happening. Well, he was two and a quarter second in the race last year. Isn't that the key with him really? Is that he's only he's gone up against gallop under shop in grade one company and he's been spanked by him. But he has finished fourth. And that's the only run he's had aside from over hurdles behind saint Sam, which you were on board on that day, in fact. So you'd know any second now really well. But the handicapper would factor in the ancient tree factor and that's probably why he ended up this way. And Ted Walsh did say at the DRS, I sure were going to be close enough to top ways anyway. Then that's exactly what's transpired. There is hardly fancy de shunter. There is a Tom gibneys. I know it's going to be very well fancied for it's called velvet Elvis. And he's got a way to turn stone 6. And I would say that it's a huge chance in 50 to one, yeah. I will, I would say, he's a sneaky one. Well, I'm lucky that. I'm liking that a lot. Did you just say 50 to one? I did. 50 to one 5 O 50 to one velvet Elvis. I think we'll have to say yeah. I have to dig a little bit of an interest in that. And then in terms of Garrett, is it the weight that would be the big concern for you now with him? It's just like, it's so hard. Normally it's obviously going to run the gold hop and he's going to try and return and win another national. I couldn't actually rule it out with him. Either. Because he came from so far back last year in that English national. He's actually value for a lot more length than he won. He came from you watch him last year. He was, he was nearly second at hard laugh over the first two or three events. Even though over all the way down to beach, his first time, he was I couldn't believe it how far back he was. And so he must be a very, very, very good artist, normally it's. For him to give so much ways away, it's going to be really difficult. Isn't it? So I wouldn't rule it out. I wouldn't rule out normal air to win and again. I suppose if it nailed me down, he's the one horse I'd write. He's a one hour wardrobe. If he'd nailed me down and said, okay, you can pick
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"ted walsh" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
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The Final Furlong Podcast
"ted walsh" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"Understand what they're trying to do on trying to make a sport look better in these modern times. But that's not the message we're trying to get across because with the whip, it's not, it's not cruel to the horses. The RSPCA and the BHA will admit that the whiff it isn't. What is the word? And a welfare issue. Exactly. Exactly. So for me, this is trying to get the message across and trying to get everybody together to speak out so we can meet in the middle to get this sorted to improve our sport for the better for the future. And the frustration that Dennis conveyed on Monday's show is that a feeling in a sense that you get from your fellow colleagues in the weighing room in Britain. Multiple jockeys. Would that be accurate? 100%. 100%. But it's having the confidence to speak out and it's very hard for us and we're all trying and Harry skeleton is trying is very, very, very best. And he's working incredibly hard with Zoom calls and so forth and trying to push this because we are the voice and we are the people in the sport who wants this for the better for the future. And hopefully we can get somewhere. When you and your colleagues are fully aware that this is not a welfare issue and as you said, the RSPCA who have been very critical. And in fact, when the BHA announced the new whip rules, I think they thought this was going to pacify everybody. The RSPCA said this does not go far enough. We want the whip band, but at the same time said, we recognize it's not a welfare issue. So it is just about optics and Julie Harrington, who is the chairwoman of the BHA, said as much at the Asian gambling conference on Monday, she took to the stage a week after these rules to come into effect and said, we know the final stages of the gold cup will be shown on news programs and that this means this is an opportunity to make the sport look better. Confirming that this is not about making jockey ship better, not about making the sport better, it's about optics. It's about perception and nothing more. How frustrating is that for you and for your colleagues in the wing room? It's very frustrating because in my opinion and this is me off the top of the head is we're trying to improve. We're trying to prove to a small amount of people who don't like race. So say it's 70 30 so that 70% love racing and this 30% that dislike racer. And these are the people that we're trying to change their mind. And they're slowly chipping away chipping away and we're changing things and changing this and change in that. But they are small amount out that we're trying to try and try to keep happy and they will not stop until horse racing has gone. It doesn't matter how many times we use the whip
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"ted walsh" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"At torn or at the top level. It's all the same emotion. It's like when you're playing a board game at Christmas, it's wanting to win, that's the reason we're in the positions we are because we have that emotion. And the jockey of the runner up Kevin was also handed a band. You were 23, you're a big lad, you're 6 foot. How is the new rules going to affect your style of writing? Well, it's definitely obviously going to affect it because I've perfected the style that I feel is most effective for me and the horse. So I mean, it is a big change. It is a big change. And it's going to be hard. I'm going to try to make this work and not obviously adapt to these new rules. It's not going to work overnight, and it's going to take a lot of practice and a lot of hard work. I mean, I'm not sure how it will end up whether it would be for the better for me or the wish. You know, that's something that we're going to have to try and affect and yeah, I'll be doing my best to get this sorted so I can carry on riding in the future. You said to me this morning when this news came out that you would listen to the final furlong and you'd heard Denis Oregon on with me during the week. Passionately speaking about his frustrations with these rules. And one of the things that you said off air to me was you were impressed with how Dennis was talking about his instinct and how he rides on the feel of the race and how he doesn't want to be thinking about how many times have I used the whip. Did I just use the whip over shoulder hike? Are you similar to Dennis in that way? Do you also ride on instinct? Yeah, one 100% I think that's I think that is my style of riding and very much ride off instinct from ponies and horses and throughout my life. So it is completely off instincts, for instance after the last our horses have collided. I've used my weapon the effective way that I thought was right at the time to adjust my horse to move over. And it is very difficult. It's going to be hard on all of us and we're all going to have to change. It's a big step anyway. For me, personally, I do find this very hard. Speaking out, but it's something I feel that is needed to be done because in my opinion, with these new rules at this time, with the bed impaired being, it wasn't a success. And it is blatantly not a success, having had these bands through one week of set, and then and I understand, like I said, I've listened to Dennis, and I would love to get them messaged across as clear as he did with the BHA, I
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"ted walsh" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"Vessel wants a year. It's too much to have in your mind. Yeah. You know, all of a sudden, all of a sudden, literally two, too soon, before telling them it should have started last, may force the mayor and they should have brought in a protocol to lead us to lead it into the child school. Ten months of practice led into the past with where we would see the results of it. And that's what it should have been. That I can't have this three weeks open Shelton and everyone's panicking about the whip. I mean, that's just scaremongering. So that lads don't get done for the week, but it's just not good enough. In my eyes, it's not good enough. I'm not buying it. And why could the bidding period not include cheltenham and entry? And then for the flat boys, the beginning of the classes. So that they can all get to know. It's not a case of that the Irish jockeys and the ones who were based in the UK are being told. You're gone. Trish, can you put that thing up into the page please about Sean Clinton and Harry cut in the days? The other one, thank you, George. So Harry Compton was saying that he would have got a 24 day ban, Sean Conan said he would have been gone for 51 days. The rules are here now. They're in another in effect. We're waiting to hear what's going to come out from last week. It's impossible to think that it's just going to go ahead all four days, cacophony of sound and this incredible atmosphere where everybody wants to win. You're going to tell me no one's going to breach those rules. Of course they are. And they're way of selling this is not going to be on the day and it's not going to take away from the occasion. Of course it is. Because you're going to know that jockey is going to be done. That jock is going to have that race taken off him. If a jockey was foolish enough to go and breach the whip limits in the way that it's been put in place. And by the way, if that happens. Well, you see, when you say foolish, enough, but you know, it's just, you know, yeah, every jockey can count, but say, for example, the jockey's raiding on instinct. And he's not thinking about the numbers. Yeah. He's thinking about when the horse needs warm slap to gain to gain. You know, and they're trying to knock out that whole element of win at all costs. You know, that's fine for me. But I wouldn't be renowned for hitting her. But I would have got done in some of my recent travels to the UK. And that's a fact. I wouldn't it's not something I want to think about. It's not something I want to go out and think. I don't want to get done. There's going to be people more afraid of getting done now than riding winners. And that's what I don't like. It's taken away from us jock is focus, jockey's mentality, people are going to really hurt from this now. And I don't like it. I'm not saying it won't work. It possibly will work. But I just don't like the sharpness of it. You know, I'm not saying I'm not saying it will not work. I'm just saying I don't like the sharks. It should have been done over a ten month period, a 100%. And then this results at the channel festival. This year will be the result of it. And, you know, exactly what you said there. You should have carried on the child and Andrew this year. Gradually bringing it in. Gradually saying, keep saying it gradually doing it. And then starting the new season at the foster May with a whole new set of whip rules. Well, then I would have done that. That's the way I thought it handled in my opinion. I think that is logical, quite frankly. And look, it's easy in hindsight to say it, but we were saying this last year. Barry, to bring you in as Dennis talks about this more and more, I'm reminded of Tony McCoy's epic ride and Wichita alignment in the ultima. Richard Johnson's ride on native river in the gulf cup, which is where the infamous Ted Walsh line comes with Lydia his love on racing TV. Or if you don't like racing, go watch Peppa pig. Those rides are gone, essentially. You're never see a Wichita again. You'll never see a native river in the gold cup again. And nobody, nobody was offended by what McCoy did that day. Nobody was offended by Richard Johnson. I watched that race with Tony monster gold cup. And we were in awe of this Titanic epic tussle, this war of attrition between two brilliant jockeys on two great horses who gave it their all, might bite native river nothing in it, and the tis art horse prevails. It was epic. And then you've got the nonsense afterwards. So it's a mess, Barry. What is your take on it? Because it's his livelihood, and he knows a hundred times better than me, but from an outsider looking in, yeah, talking about the witch the alignment and the native river. So they would have had to be pulled up far from home both of them. We would have never had these amazing finishes because they've used their 6 or 6 flags, but they're rich Deloitte and one especially. That was a brilliant brilliant evening John Jordan come out and said that if McCoy had a poll at the top of the hill, he wouldn't have said anything to him. Yeah, he was like, great, he's a great brilliant. Every year.
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"ted walsh" Discussed on The Supporting Cast
"Old and then going into third grade the next you know it was just she really had all of us commit to these shows in a way that most people don't ask children to commit like really genuinely apply yourself and i'd be doing math homework with music on top of it you know. And then when the altos were learning their section. I could go back to my math homework. I learned time management. I working in a team. I learned just genuine passion and commitment. And i think i wouldn't have been ready to meet mr wall. Had it not been for an. She gave me so much and her and her husband larry. They're just the heartbeat of that theater and they pull an worked in a law office during the day like it wasn't her job. It was her passion and her date since moved out of. But that's why i say was but they're they're organizing and when annan larry got to come see hello dolly. It was A life changing day for me because they don't even teamwork ones before that And it hadn't been for about a decade. And i got to at them take come see hello dolly and it was just my mom came to a have to watch an watch you because it just my whole as i think i grew up on that that rickety that stage like could you could kind of blow on it the wrong way and it would fall apart but it was. It was my home for so many years. And i just loved that theater and i don't. I genuinely don't think i'd be able to do this if it wasn't brand. And what was it like earth coming to see you in on broadway. And did she come backstage after and so forth. And what was this girl. She had put on a table at seven years old and now is on onstage on broadway. What was her reaction was it was. It was amazing and in addition to the super friends. I talk about from her westlake. A few of our friends onto crossroads and my best friend. Fran was in the little foxes on broadway with cynthia. Nixon immoral lenny. She played their daughter slash niece depending on the night. 'cause they flip flop roles and also got to see fran who had done Musicals together the morton extent. And there's this tradition in broadway. Where when a new show opens all the other shows that are on at time send little cards. So it'll say like happy opening hello dolly from the cast of the little foxes and then everyone signs it and fran wrote this is for an on ours and it just like we just it's again. It's one of those moments where it's like when we were twelve and thirteen doing forty seconds. Jury we would you runs of. We couldn't have even found on the day that we could be on broadway in the same season. So it's just a real. And having and there i just have never. I've i've never felt and i thought this way with watts to actually kept a show journal when i was doing hello dolly i remember i wrote wall just coming tonight. I've never been more nervous in my because the people that you grow up with when you learn craft from someone they know you inside an outright so like i. I'm terrible was sports. But i imagine if the burden taught you how to pitch is going to know when you're not doing your best pitch more than someone who's just in the stands and doesn't know you know so with an with an it was like oh my god like they're gonna know if i'm phoning it in or not that i ever tried to vote. But they're gonna know. If i'm tired they're gonna know i'm not like sparkling at my brightest you know and i just wanted them to have the best time but when annan larry to come it was it was very i remember. It was the summer in july and it was just like a lot to me. So you mentioned that. This prepared you for walsh. For mr walter. Ted walsh of course at harvard westlake and so i'm curious you've talked about what has meant you kind of post graduation. You've maintain this really strong friends and fellow artists and and that has been so meaningful to you. I'm curious about your experience while you were there kind of what the experience was like and also kind of if you speak to what it was about. Ted walsh would. It still is because he still. They're teaching kids today. What it is about tax that was so inspiring to you definitely favorite topic. So i i met walsh when i was nine because i went to the center for early education for elementary school. I'm sure many people know that mr Wife dee had networks at center and the upper school was doing the sound of music and they were going to bring kids from middle school to be some of the younger von tracks but gretel. the youngest trump is supposed to be. I think four or five in the musical way it's scripted. So they're like. I don't think any seven graders could pass for quite that young. So didi had i was like. I have a girl at the center. Who i think could handle. It does she. I was going to be the only kid amongst high school students. And so i had to audition for wall. And i went and i have such distinct memory of my mom and we were trying to find acquire room. But it's like on the bottom as many people know that will be listening to this under the staircase and we didn't know where the entrance we were trying to find it. I addition d- and i had to sing for him and then they put me in a lineup with all the other hardwoods league students like to see if we look like a family amnon. They invited me in so at nine. I really i was turning. I can't remember but nine or ten. I was rehearsing at in rugby at the upper school every single day for like four months or whatever it was wow i was so welcomed by all of students some of which i'm still friendly with now one of which was ben's older brother jona played ralph so we go back but i was just this kid and they welcomed me with open arms and they were so kind. And that's how. I met mr walsh in that i was. I've known him since. I was in fourth grade before you continue. Actually wanna play. Ted actually talks about this kind of meeting you for the first time and And so we'll con- we'll see if you can hear it. Especially look i met beanie feldstein when i think she was eight or nine years old. I asked her. She was at the center for early education. I needed a very little kid. Even younger than our middle schoolers for a production of the sound of music And beanie was recommended to me. And i met her and even then you went. There is something really magical about this kid. When she's on stage and there she was tiny little beanie and to this day. I bear a deep affection for that young woman. She's she's pretty special. Yeah addison he's just the best. It's like like hearing the voice of of a family member when i hear him. It's like a grandfather ankle or something. Because i've known him almost my whole life and i remember working with him on the sound of music it was such a formative experience and i don't think i would have been ready for that. Had it not been for my time. With an at the morgan whitson. I think she prepared me. Well the to be ready for mr walsh. This thing about walsh's his without saying a word are so high because he's so smart and he so gifted any so war so he he wants the best out of you when he also can get the best out of you. And i think we all route saying a word you know. He's going to hold you to the highest standard. But you also know he's gonna be with you every step of the way to get there. And i think that is his gift because he never lowers his expectations but he'll never not walk.