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JFK JR.: THE KENNEDY CURSE - EP2
"Of the many images from the Kennedy assassination. Perhaps none touched the hearts of a grieving nation. More than that photograph autograph. You know the one. I'm referring to the little boy saluting. The flag draped coffin of his dad. Dan Farrell the man who took that iconic connick photograph says it was quote the saddest thing I've ever seen in my whole life. Welcome to episode two of fatal Voyage John F. Kennedy Junior case solved. I'm your host Thomas Detective Column McLaren. Last time we heard L. J. F. K.. Junior had been born into a dynasty. That would become known as camelot in this episode. We're going to examine the dockside of that legacy you see. And what has become known as the Kennedy coups so I was having interested in Kennedy family and the tragedies that have been it seems like one thing I gotta get infected with generation after generation. So you could call it Kennedy curse if also call it the curse of power that got sometimes people who power these sort of things happen. I think there's something psychological about it. It's almost like scales scales have to be balanced life as you to less if a too much now we're going to take some away from you and had a curse once it's again exact. A terrible tall on the man who as a little blonde haired boy was required to salute the passing coffin of his dead father. As the entire hi world which Don I think there's a parallel or a similarity between the death of the father and the death of the son in that in both cases since there was great unfulfilled potential. We have no idea of what could have happened so his his presidency had great potential in fact the potential is so great that most academics rank him as a great president even without having accomplish these things and the same kind of hovers over the life of John F. Kennedy junior the fact that he it could have done great things could have been a president could have been a governor. Senator could have been a great public figure the rest of his life and impacted the world for good so in both cases there cut down in cut short of what most people believe believe would be a great life and a great contribution to humanity following the assassination of President Kennedy the conspiracy ever see theories began almost immediately. Did Lee Harvey Oswald Line. was there a second shooter at the scene who was pulling the moving strings behind the scenes and how deep derived hall go his JFK historian. John Hanky there are Tan. Dan Affidavits in the Warren Commission documents from witnesses in Dealey Plaza. Who All said that? The limousine stopped in front of the Grassy Knoll. They don't say waiting for the kill shot. But you can put those elements together to see that. The Secret Service stopped the limousine in front of the Grassy knoll waiting for the kill shot in nineteen sixty four. The Warren Commission set up by President Lyndon Johnson to who investigate the killing concluded that Oswald was the lone assessing. It was to be another eleven years before another committee ruled at the Warren Commission was fundamentally the Middle East flawed and not until nineteen seventy nine before the house. Select Committee concluded that the murder was most likely. The result of a bigger far-reaching conspiracy. I see however that did not say who was behind that conspiracy like me. Jive Cagey suspected a cover up author. Doug Wade has written over thirty books and interviewed no fewer than six presidents and has unrivalled insight into the nations of the White House. I received a call from a lady whose father had worked for Frank. Church had been his closest aide and she told me neither story is that when it was all over her father had good worked. So hard for the senator in these hearings had said why is senator. Didn't as you go ahead and publish your findings. Why did you back down after all that you've gone through? And she said that Senator Church said I said to her father. The country could not have survived if they had known the truth of our investigation into the CIA see I it was a lengthy investigation. They interrogated many CIA agents and at the conclusion of it. It was like He pulled oldest punches. It was a whimper John. Junior was to lie to begin his own investigation. Father's death felt that it it was just something he had to live with that he was John Kennedy but he was very proud of it in the sense that he named his put the number of the PT One nine nine there was his father's World War Two pt boat. He put that on an playing he thought about his father constantly but tragically the assassination of JFK. Senior was only the beginning shortly after midnight. On June the fifth nineteen sixty excite. Kennedy's beloved uncle. Bobby Kennedy was also executed. He was killed at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles just hours after winning the California presidential. It's an inch primary his report Leon Wagner who was being close to the Kennedys since the nineteen seventy s after JFK was assassinated this native. Jackie really leaned heavily on bobby and he spent a tremendous amount of time with her. They spent so much time together and that there were rumors that they were having an affair which I don't know if it's possible they certainly were tight right but I think more than anything. He was something to lean on and because he was her brother in law and she trusted him implicitly. Candor stood her pain which nobody else really could understand the way he could and then suddenly he was slain and that was away final. Blow one of the consultants. At Bobby's autopsy was forensic tallest. Cyril Wecht. I was an official consultant to Dr Thomas. NEGOTI cheeks product examiner corner of Los Angeles. County is see my English. Did you look at the autopsy report in fact. Tom called me about three or four o'clock in the morning. My time was three hours earlier there from Los Angeles. He didn't need any advice on how to do an autopsy but he was concerned that they would try to take Bobby Kennedy's body away like they had done with. JFK and dollars. and Tom and I hit become good friends at the American Academy Physics Scientists and he knew of my outspoken spoken communist regarding what they had done and I advise him in fact among things which he did was to invite the academic proactive fashion and invite the government to send in their forensic pathologists to be observers at your autopsy and he did that. And three of those military Sherry from super apologised whom we knew they were colleagues they attended despite the attempt to transparency. It seemed that once again the Kennedy assassination was followed by another shady. Cover up by the way then the cover-up remember the scenario in which Bobby Kennedy Kennedy was assassinated. Look it up. The distance from which to fatal shot was fired striking him. Just above and slightly behind the radiator was one to to one and a half inches one to one and a half inches and pull it also had a slightly forward trajectory. Sorry hand in front of him and you gotta Ask Yourself. How is this possible? I'll tell you how it's possible. Because they defense attorney who by the way not some snot nosed kid out of law school or in a talkative offenders office. He was inexperienced defense attorney. Name Grant Cooper Never Never consulted they fronts pathologist or a ballistics expert never had anybody testify at the trial and in the cross examination of Dr Gucci. Never asked him the question. I asked you two minutes ago about the distance from which the shot I fired or a subject to rick. 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Get ten percent of this this month at bit held dot com slash giant kind John. It's been a help. LP DOT com slash. Dave Joya Ah With John Bubby killed third. Rather Ted Ted Kennedy was the last of all Joe son's still standing I respect senator himself. He had his arm brush with death on a sixty four when the plane in which he was travelling crashed in bad weather near Southampton Massachusetts. The pilot another passenger were killed and Ted spent five months in hospital recovering from a broken back. Punctured lung and broken ribs. Worse was to follow as reporter. Andy Tila Explains Nineteen. sixty-nine Ted Kennedy that he was involved in what's now known as the Chappaquiddick incident. He had been at a party in. Martha's Vineyard for a group of young women who had worked on Bobby's presidential campaign the a year before he leaves the Party with one of the women. A twenty eight year old called. Mary Jo Kopechne me. I'm while driving across the bridge back from Chappaquiddick. Island loses control all crashes into the water. Ted Kennedy manage to escape from the car but Mary Jo did not Neri Jo Kopechne. He died in what seems to be in a tragic accident. Several things didn't add up. Senator Kennedy says he dived below the surface seven or eight times to try to rescue Before swimming to the shore and leaving drowned still trapped in the car that may be true but he then didn't report accident until the next morning after her body had already been found and why would he not report it did he just go home. Go to bed like nothing had happened. He also denied driving under the influence of alcohol and said that they had been nothing improper about his his relationship with Mary. Jo both statements have been called into question many times in the intervening years awake after the crash. Ted Ed Kennedy pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident and was given a two-month suspended sentence avoiding imprisonment. Oddly no autopsy was ever the performed on the body of Mary. Jo nonense seventy an inquest to Mary. Jo's death concluded that several aspects of Ted Kennedy Story of that night when not true get another cover up which is now becoming the modus operandi of the Kennedys. Hiding the facts. Mary Jo Kopechne. He was a cover up combination combination. I think just some pressures behind the scenes having nothing to do with politics look counties and disgraced. The Kennedy Curse was not limited to the sums of Joe Senior however over the coming decades there with the incidents and deaths all involving John Genius seniors cousins four of them. The sums of Bobby Kennedy that did seem to be this extraordinary run of accidents. Reckless behavior bad. Look call all it what you will with. Bobby's kids I'll just run through a few of them in August. Nineteen seventy three when he was twenty. Bobby's eldest son. Joseph crushed his jeep and none took it badly injuring his brother. David Back and permanently paralysing. David's girlfriend Kelly. As a result of that David became addicted to painkillers which then escalated collided into heroin. He was later found dead in a hotel room in Palm Beach in Nineteen eighty-four from an overdose of a cocktail of drugs including cocaine and Emerald. Then you've got another brother Bobby junior also using heroin. He was arrested in one thousand nine hundred three firearm possession falling near overdose himself then. Finally finally this Michael who died in nineteen ninety-one in Aspen Colorado. He had been playing football on skis without any kind of helmet other safety equipment when he hits a tree just this is a kind of postscript the same year that Michael died another cousin. William Kennedy Smith who was a son of John. Juniors on gene was arrested and charged with the rape of a young woman he had met while drinking at the bar in Palm Beach with his uncle. Ted Kennedy she alleged after they had returned to the nearby Kennedy state hits sexually assaulted her a trial. Oh however he was acquitted of all charges so it seems as just as kind of litany of recklessness bad behavior criminality and bad look running through all these kits according to Leon Wagner at least he was never tempted by drugs. John didn't didn't use drugs he deliberately didn't because he had a fear of them because mostly because his cousins David Michael Bobby Junior all use tear on and had some terrible experiences with David and Michael Bus died Michael accident but he was inebriated at the time. And Bobby Junior was arrested in South Dakota and for possession of heroin and then he just didn't like to be around drug use at all. John Junior may have stayed away from drugs but like so many his family he had inherited the Kennedy wild streak in the sixty years almost since John Kennedy was assassinated. There have been a death in the Kennedy entity family and accidental death Kennedy family every two years nearly exactly every two years which is pretty extraordinary. I think for any family even a large family. Like there's at sort of sounds like a curse to me but like I say it's a curse that they to some degree brought upon themselves EXPI- risky behavior John F. Kennedy Junior was fearless and some say. He was very reckless if he took extraordinary chances as a skier as a kayaker on the water just any occasions. People said. You'RE GONNA kill yourself. What are you doing? As a reporter assigned to Cava the Kennedys for most of his career. Leon Wagner Watch John Junior grow from a stoic boy into a headstrong strong young men were wild kids. They're fun to be around and you never knew quite what to expect from them. I I have to say that. They had a tremendous exhibition EST streak and and enjoyed showing off particularly given the fact that they're comb their their compound of of of homes was a huge trust attraction and there was a constant stream of traffic driving having five miles an hour past the compound hoping for a look inside some of the Kennedy cousins of John. Juniors seniors had a habit of coming out front and posing and then yanking their blouses up and flashing the tourists and as one one of them told me that will give them something to talk about when I get home. When he was in Hyannis port he would do things like he would take his cousins and this is part of his exhibition EST thing to he would organize a party at the Hyannis Port Yacht Club which is just across the street from compound on the Ocean and day Chris Private club and it's locked up at night but of course they had the Kennedys had keys to it so they could get in anytime they wanted and they would go take six packs of beer and drink and they would take off their clothes and skinny dip in the the ocean off the dock midnight? Two o'clock in the morning they kind of did whatever they wanted. They ran the place and the cops more or less that surrounded the compound that temporary cops They were just hired for the summer. And we're really hired for the purpose of guarding the Kennedy Compound town and I may translate with with a couple of them and they told me some stories that make your hair stand on end about Some of their antics like like for example. One of the Kennedy Women. Jean Kennedy would tie ropes onto the back of her car and drive around with the kids on their bikes hanging onto the back of it and shouldn't go. Slow should go fifteen twenty forty miles an hour. I mean fatality if something God forbid happen as much as I love true crime solving mysteries sometimes even I need a break from time to time but but in order to do my best work as a detective on to stay shop and keep my Brian Active. That's why I love solving puzzles. Playing games to keep myself shop like best scenes jeans. Best fans is a mobile puzzle game. That's totally free to download you. Match three of a kind to clear the bowed but unlike some other matching games supplied this one lets you collect characters along the way that help you in the game. It can be a challenge but it's a fun little game that really anyone comply with my work. I tend to travel a lot so I like to apply it when I'm waiting for my flight or when I'm on the plane since you need to be connected to the incident apply. Engage your brain with fun. Puzzles and click tons of characters to trust me with over one hundred million downloads. This five star rated my ball puzzle. Okay is a must play database. Feigns free on the Apple APP store. Woah Google play. That's friends without the I pissed fiends Liam believes that the so-called Kennedy Casse has its its roots in this seemingly ingrained taste danger rather than extraordinary bad luck. Kurt me with that kind of behavior. Savior and that kind of behavior being encouraged by the grownups actor a grown up. Most of the time that the Kennedy curse was a curse I was brought on by their behavior. It was to some degree that they just couldn't contain themselves. They took risks and Dan did things that ordinary people wouldn't do and as a result along the line although they got away with quite a bit of it got gotTa wait a tremendous amount of it that when you consider the outcome. It's not surprising. I mean if you do that kind of thing all the time and then as they got older. They skied and played football at the same time in Aspen. which is what killed? Michael Kennedy John's cousins and they flew airplanes. And did all the riskiest sports you could possibly do. They dismissed I really challenged the harsh reality of life to take them. There is another trite unique to the Kennedys. These that is the family's mafia like a murder the code of silence about anything that might possibly disparage one of their own writer in presidential expert but Doug Wade explained one. Tactic used by the family. To perpetuate the Kennedy Myth. The Kennedys tried to pull it have and for many years when a book would come out that would tell the full story. Candidates would have another book ready. It would have someone always writing a book a friend and then when controversial bill would come they quickly rushed Trent their new book so that someone going into a bookstore would be confused though. which was the book had heard about? They wanted to buy also. Sometimes their official books backfire. They were forced by law to release some of the presidential papers. You can only kick them under wraps for so long and then by law they have to be public so when we expiration date chain they charities released east tens of thousands and thousands of pages of documents and they did that to dilute the release so the journalists would be able to find the more damaging information that was being made public. They went to Robert Gallic right presidential historian and gave him a look at the head. Start to write a book about John. F Kennedy Chesapeake which he did but now all this information about how ill Kennedy was and it had thing was like his. I Q you can go online and you'll see all kinds of stories about I choose the America. WHO's the smartest president to show pictures of John Kennedy with an eye? You two hundred sixty three and it's all false. IQ was one hundred nineteen. He took a written test as a young I candidate and those numbers have to be released. He was very poor and math and very court science extremely poor. It was very high English and literature so he sounded very well educated very oppressive and a one nineteen eighteen is above average. IQ That's a B. Student in college so but it's not one sixty. That's not accurate. Nevertheless the Kennedy's at least as a family will promote that the effect as Cyril Wecht explains is to suppress the truth. Lit affects and feed the conspiracies. I don't understand what the problem is. Why the Kennedy's as they say unknowingly unwittingly in their uptight feelings? Play into the hands of anybody who was involved in these deaths like the assassination summations of John and Robert and in the accident of Mary. Jo Kopechne me. With Ted Kennedy. Why the counties do this I I don't no I? I can't answer that in that regard somewhat related. I remember last year when Miss Capelli the mother of Mary Jo Kopechne he was interviewed food. And I remember that brought tears to my eyes. She said the worst mistake she had ever made in her. Life was vehemently arguing against reached the exclamation of her daughter and the performance of topsy. That is what she said last year as the sun. JFK John Junior effectively found himself at the head of the next generation of this complicated and cursed Kennedy Dynasty. Occasionally the pressure would tell on the a young patriarch in peculiar ways. Leon Wagner remembers witnessing one such incident himself he was A. Oh boy that I have to say you know manic energy to it and it was impossible for him to sit still for much of the the time and I went to his grandfather. Hugh Auchincloss is his step grandfather. Actually his funeral in Newport Rhode Island and John was a I want to say about nine approximately ten. Maybe we were in a very small airport in Newport dead. No secret service or any protection and John was bored having to wait for their private plane to arrive. And all of a sudden he just spontaneously sprung out of the seat and started dancing. And I mean dancing manically like he couldn't control what he was doing almost and Jackie interestingly just ignored him and leading get it out of the system. I guess but there's always with a photographer and of course snapping pictures. Jackie walked up to me and said please tell him to stop doing that. Higgins pictures and so I said sure so you know I I did did and We let him be but then he danced like that for say ten fifteen minutes and quite a display and I you have to think that part of it was his manic energy. Part of it was the fact that eight been through a lot and Dan the idea of attending yet another funeral and his life was just filled with death at that young age. I have to think that that's that's sort of set him off and Jackie understood that and that's why she. He made an attempt really to to stop him or to say anything to him. She's let him get it out of the system and he clearly he calmed down. I me I never saw him doing anything like that. You know when you got a little older as John. Junior grew from child to man the pressure of living up to the Kennedy name and perhaps the growing dread of the Kennedy curse would only grind with him. There may be a reason for it that it may be there. I mean from the time they're little kids growing up people come up to him. Say when are you going to be president. And especially with John F. Kennedy junior because not only was his father father president but his father was assassinated. So it's almost like hey pal when are you gonNa get this back. It's almost the pressure is on on so under normal circumstances the pressure is on these aim sakes they tend to do things that are self destructed. They become alcoholics. So that's something that happens naturally but if your dad is assassinated it's kind of like hey are you gonna let him get away with that. You're you're supposed to take it back. That's tremendous pressure to be under to live under. I don't think they would be that overt in their pressure but it was kind ova it was. It was pretty hard to avoid. I mean you. Every time you turned around anybody. You were introduced to her. You've ever met. It would be discussed trust. That was something that was faced every day. He didn't show that there were any affected him in in any way because it would be not managed not Kennedy enough to show any emotions about it but the effect of the assassinations nations overall on John over the years was to accept his mother's dire warnings that they were out to kill Kennedy's and you would think that that would petrified by a young man finally finally on July the Sixteenth nineteen ninety nine the curse struck again so I was an automobile and the radio was on the came over the news that John. F Kennedy Jr. is airplane had disappeared over the Atlantic and I had chills go down my spine. I thought this is just wow I heard it and I thought this has happened over over and over throughout history. This cannot be a coincidence. There there must be some terrible pressure. I don't believe in curses but there must be some subconscious level something being very strong. That's going on that. Some terrible pressure that's going on. I've had people say that it could be the reverse. I tend to say that they have these feelings of self-destruction that are not going to be president. I'm not GonNa make this just too much. I can't take this and that at some unconscious level. That's going on but I've had others say the opposite. They'd say that they felt John F.. Kennedy Junior in your was just bold beyond reason that he took great risks extreme risks that he didn't wear a life preserver need be out in a Kayak and that he felt he was indestructible that. I`MMA Kennedy nothing can happen to me. I have a destiny so I've heard it both ways. I tend to suspect it's former next time on fatal voyage John F. Kennedy Junior case sold To cocaine spiraled out of control. That's when he became angry at her and yelled at her and Kirstein her. I said if I had millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars. The last thing I'd want to be doing is flying in small plan John F. Kennedy Junior. 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Chappaquiddick & Senator Ted Kennedy
"What's the most you've ever lost? As the result of a mistake in item value and opportunity a relationship life is a series of decisions many of them binary each one offering potential paths that fate may take us down. Every action has an effect every choice a consequence and sometimes in the rarest of occasions a person is is presented with a life or death choice that will come to define them. That was the case for Senator Ted Kennedy in the summer of Nineteen sixty-nine on Chappaquiddick Island in Massachusetts though the official account of what happened that night is somewhat muddled. The facts are as follows late at night after a party Kennedy set off down Chappaquiddick road in his oldsmobile with him was Mary Jo Kopechne acne a former campaign staffer for the recently assassinated Robert Kennedy. There was an accident. The car hit a barrier and flipped over into the water. Ted Got out and survived but Mary Mary Jo was left trapped in the car. Ted Kennedy did not inform the police about the accident until ten hours later when the car was recovered in Mary. Jo's body was found inside the initial reaction Ocean from the divers was that she hadn't actually drowned she'd suffocated and if Ted Kennedy had called the police immediately she may still be alive today. Welcome to conspiracy theories apar- cast original every Wednesday we dig into the complicated stories behind the world's most controversial events in search for the truth. I'm Carter Roy and I'm only Brandenburg and neither of us are conspiracy theorists but we are open minded skeptical and curious. Don't get US wrong long. Sometimes the official version is the truth but sometimes it's not today. We're talking about the chappaquiddick incident when Massachusetts senator and one time aspiring president Ted Kennedy crashed his car into polk upon and fled the scene leaving his passenger. Mary Jo Kopechne in to die in submerged vehicle Kennedy turned himself in and reported the accident to the police. The next day after the car was recovered with Kopechne. He's body inside the fallout from the scandal was the dominant force that prevented Kennedy from securing a nomination for president of the United States though fifty years have passed since the tragedy. There are still certain details details about what really happened that night that raise questions about a potential cover up was ted really driving the car. Why did he wait so long to report the accident? And what role did the various blueblood powerbrokers brokers have New England play in the saga that unfolded. This episode is part of par casts summer of Sixty Nine Event July twenty second through August ninth. All your favorite par- cash shows are teaming up to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary three of a landmark summer in American history. 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Scandal seems like a natural component of politics for as long as America has been a country the men and women who have sought the power and influence that comes with public office breath of open themselves up to public scrutiny the imaging and character emphasis that goes into making successful politician strives for an ideal perfect person but a perfect person doesn't exist and in the history of American politics is by and large defined by figures whose personal flaws boiled over to tarnish their pristine public images but the chappaquiddick incident stands apart even from the most appalling public scandals handles largely because it represented the final downfall of the Kennedy family to truly convey how impactful Chappaquiddick was on the Kennedy family in the country we need to I explore just how how powerful the Kennedys used to be. America is a Democratic Republic. It's built upon the ideas of individuals elected by the people to serve the people there has never been an American American king but for a large part of the first half of the twentieth century the Kennedys were probably the closest thing America had to a royal family. The family's Patriarch was Joseph Kennedy senior born in eighteen eighty eight juice of senior was a business magnate who made his fortune in the nineteen tans and nineteen twenties through the stock market and the investments in Hollywood based movie studios among other ventures aw there has been a long standing unconfirmed myth at Joseph Kennedy senior supplemented his already sizeable fortune by smuggling liquor throughout the United States during the prohibition. Oh habituation period in the nineteen twenties. This rumor has been debunked a number of times its prevalence as a part of justice. Kennedy's legacy is largely due to historians who seek to find reasons why Joseph Senior never ran for president of the United States and Joseph Senior also didn't do much to distance himself from the rumor especially after he secured the licenses to import liquor from England after prohibition was lifted in Nineteen thirty three by the end of the roaring twenties. Joseph Kennedy was rich powerful influential and ready to take the next step in securing his legacy by becoming involved in politics is political career seemed to get off to the right start tart. He first became embroiled in politics in eighteen thirty two as a supporter for Franklin D Roosevelt's presidential campaign after Roosevelt one. He established the U._S. Securities and Exchange Commission and appointed. The Joseph Senior as its first Chairman Joseph Senior only served in the position for a year but his efforts to establish safeguards and regulations within the stock market made him a hero among investors Joseph senior continue continue to thrive within Roosevelt's administration. He had the support of America's growing population of Irish Catholics which at that point in American history were largely discriminated against by the Protestant majority. The Highest Office Joseph Elsa senior ever reached was ambassador to the United Kingdom a role he held from nineteen thirty eight to nineteen forty. Joseph Kennedy senior wasn't shy about his ambition to run for president in the nineteen forty election his position as ambassador would have put him in a prime spot to go for the nomination but his actions as ambassador would lead to his downfall. Joseph Joseph Senior made a number of political blunders while representing America to the United Kingdom. This was nineteen thirty eight during the build up to the outbreak of World War. Two in Europe and Joseph Senior wasn't as hard on Adolf Hitler Hitler as many felt he should be Joseph senior butted heads with Winston Churchill who famously spent the lead up to World War Two arguing that there was no negotiating with Hitler though he was the ambassador to the U._K.. Joseph senior in your spent a good deal of his time in London undercutting British interests by trying to establish a line of communication between the United States and Berlin after the war broke out in nineteen thirty nine Joseph senior took a staunch orange `isolation as position in argued against American aid to the United Kingdom. Even as it's towns were victims of nightly bombings by German planes and worst of all Joseph Kennedy was a not so private anti Semite as Nazi Germany furthered. It's horrific persecution of Europe's Jewish citizens Joseph Senior was quoted more than once saying something to the effect of quote. They brought it on themselves. Joseph Senior was not not popular in Britain and his war between America and Germany's seemed more and more like an inevitability his isolationist views came to define him as a defeatist non Patriot he wasn't outright fired from Roosevelt's Velde's administration the party still needed him to rally the Irish Catholic vote for the Democrats but he and the president had a falling out particularly after Roosevelt ran for and won his unprecedented third term Joe Osa senior resigned as ambassador in nineteen forty. He tried to write his political image by offering to throw his considerable wealth and influence behind the American war efforts but his years of trying to appease Hitler and essentially essentially made him persona non grata among the allied leaders he had no choice but to resign from politics and give up any hope of becoming the first Irish Catholic president of the United States but Joseph Senior wasn't a man to abandoned his ambitions so easily. If he couldn't become president on his own he would make sure that his sons would there's a religious verse about how the sins of the father are visited on the suns but the same can be said the father's goals chose a senior had four sons Joseph Junior born nineteen fifteen john born nineteen seventeen Robert Born nineteen twenty five and finally Edward Known as Ted head born nineteen thirty two Joseph Junior. The oldest Kennedy Son was the one Joseph senior hoped would one day become president to that end Joe Senior greened Joseph Junior from a young age for life in politics and Joseph Junior took the role quite well he attended Harvard law school his father's Alma Mater but left in his final year to enlist with the navy and fight in World War Two his plan as he told hold his friends Mr Run for the House of Representatives in the nineteen forty-six election presumably after the war was over from there he would follow his own political star all the way to the White House doc the plan never came to pass on August Twelfth Nineteen forty four Joseph Kennedy Junior was killed in action when his plane was shot down over England Joe Seniors perfect son his best is chance to put a Kennedy in the White House was gone and so the pressure fell to the second oldest Kennedy Boy John Up to that point John F. Kennedy head enjoyed relative freedom in life at least compared to his older brother John had spent most of his life in and out of hospitals and infirmaries for a number of chronic health issues including gastritis and back pain like Joseph Junior John had attended Harvard before enlisting to serve in in the military for World War Two when he first joined the Navy in nineteen forty one John had some ideas of what he wanted his life to be after the war prior to the war Kennedy had traveled to a number of countries including Germany and Britain and his college thesis about the Political Situation in Britain that would lead to the breakout of the war was actually published in nineteen forty. John ought that this might be his calling as a political writer and reporter on everything changed when his brother died with Joe Junior's death John was now the eldest Kennedy boy and after lifetime of being just to the side of his a father's focus John Kennedy was now Joseph Seniors mean project in Life Joe was going to put one of his sons in the White House and he did it after World War Two Joseph Bankroll John's I campaign for representative of the Eleventh District of Massachusetts John One and served in the house for six years he successfully ran for the Senate in nineteen fifty three and served as a Massachusetts Senator for seven more years and in one thousand nine hundred sixty Joseph senior got his wish when John F. Kennedy was elected as the president of the United States he was the first Catholic to hold that position. This could have seem like something thing of a redemptive Ark for Joe Senior after botching his own political career and losing the sun whom he'd groomed for politics he was able to steer John's meteoric rise but the curse that some have rumored the plates the Kennedy Family would not be satisfied on November twenty second nineteen sixty three as John was touring the country in preparation for his reelection he was assassinated on the streets of Dallas John's legacy and by Extension Joseph Seniors Legacy was permanently tarnished by the tragedy all the John had done in all that he might have done as president was doomed to be overshadowed by the killing feeling but Joseph senior still had more sons with Joe Junior and John Deceased Robert Kennedy was now the oldest Kennedy Boy Robert had served as. The Attorney General under John's administration and many Kennedy Historians believe that Robert May have even been the choice for vice president in John's reelection campaign and for most of the late nineteen sixties. It seemed I'm like Robert had a straight path to the White House. After President Lyndon Johnson announced he would not seek reelection in nineteen sixty eight Robert was the natural choice to lead the Democratic ticket after the tragedy of John John Kennedy's death Robert Kennedy may have been the first Kennedy to become president and actually serve a full term but then in nineteen sixty eight just after he was declared the winner of the California Primary Robert Kennedy was shot. He died of his wounds. The next day in the span of twenty five years Joseph Kennedy senior had lost three sons to violence Ted. The youngest Kennedy Son who was is only thirty four was suddenly the heir apparent to the dynasty. All of Joseph Seniors hopes and ambitions rested on Ted Shoulders. The pressure was now on Ted to become the third Kennedy to run for president accident but his political career would be maligned by scandal long before he ever got the chance up next. We'll discuss the events of July eighteenth nineteen sixty nine and the death of Mary Jo Kopechne e going from one veterinarian to another trying to get a proper diagnosis for your sick cat is stressful. I know because I've done it with my cat eva. The bills can rack up quickly but they don't have to embrace pet insurance offers comprehensive health insurance for dogs and cats so if the unexpected happens you're prepared there are no networks visit any Yvette and get reimbursed for up to ninety percent of the bill insuring your pet can cost less per day than your morning coffee answer a few questions on their website and get a free quote in seconds. You can also sign up for wellness rewards. 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By the end of nineteen sixty eight three of Joseph Kennedy senior sons had died Joe Junior John and now Robert at all been killed before they could fulfil the extent of the ambition. Their father had Joseph Senior. Perhaps due to his own lodged intend to become president was adamant about putting the Kennedy Boys in the white eight house he had succeeded with his second son. John John's political legacy was permanently interrupted when he was tragically assassinated in nineteen sixty three with Robert debt as well and just as he seemed to be on the cusp of kicking off a successful presidential campaign the weight of the Kennedy name nail fell to the youngest Kennedy son Ted Edward Teddy Kennedy or nineteen thirty two it wasn't exactly the black sheep of the Kennedy family but as the youngest of nine Children Teddy was afforded leeway to fail in a manner that his brothers were never allowed while Joe Senior had been laser focused on ensuring the joe junior and to a lesser extent John and Robert worked to succeed in every aspect of their lives so as to prepare them for life in the public spotlight he seemed to not have the same level of commitment to ensuring that Teddy excelled old teddy had middling grades throughout his childhood though his large size made him a natural football player despite the lack of any real academic achievement he attended Harvard University for undergraduate just as his father and brothers had done sometimes name is more important than a transcript teddy was in his freshman year in college while his brother John was serving his first term in the House of Representatives that combined with the families already notable profile across Ross American news and politics meant that there was a public spotlight on anyone with the Kennedy name as the youngest child teddy likely wasn't used to having much attention directed his way. This is why he probably thought he could get away with cheating on an exam in his freshman year. In nineteen fifty one teddy arranged for another student to take one of his exams he was caught and both students were expelled. That's not the kind of backstory. Are you want to see in someone who wants to be President Teddy expelled and with few options of other schools that would actually take him enrolled in the military he served for two years in the military. Police and Joseph senior used his own military connections to ensure the teddy wasn't deployed in the Korean War which was ongoing at that time teddy was discharged in nineteen fifty three at that time Harvard University allowed expelled students to apply hi for readmission. After a few years teddy was readmitted again no doubt due to the workings of his father and his own family name Teddy graduated from Harvard in Nineteen Fifty six when he was twenty four war but he was rejected by Harvard law school due to his poor grades and the prior expulsion the academic dishonesty on his record should have prevented him from getting into most law schools but he managed to follow when Roberts footsteps and attend the University of Virginia School of law as he had for his entire life teddy performed middling Lii in his academics though in law school he started to develop a reputation for his strong oratory skills. While he was in law school teddy also had his first real run in with the law when he was charged with reckless driving nothing came of the charge and it certainly didn't seem to hurt his political aspirations but then again we must always consider teddy's powerful family and their ability to put him in positions to succeed Teddy was named manager of John Kennedy's election campaign for the Senate in Nineteen fifty eight after graduating law school in nineteen eighteen fifty nine. He went on to help manage John's campaign for president. After John won the nineteen sixty election. He wanted Teddy to take his vacant Senate seat. Even though that wouldn't be possible for two more years since instead he was only twenty eight in nineteen sixty teddy claim to have grappled for a time with whether or not he wanted to bank on his family name to begin his political career as a senator when most politicians served several terms and smaller offices offices before reaching the Senate Keti then twenty-eight wasn't even old enough to take the job since the minimum age for U._S.. Senators is thirty but he ultimately decided he wanted the job at Joel seniors urging John Kennedy appointed an interim officer to the Senate seat until nineteen sixty two when teddy turned thirty and was able to take the position once he was thirty teddy ran for the seat in a special election and despite his inexperience criminal record and the public revelation of his expulsion from Harvard he won. No one could have known back in nineteen sixty two but senator for Massachusetts was actually the last job Teddy Kennedy would ever have it served in the role for nearly eight consecutive terms until his death in two thousand nine in nineteen sixty four less than a year after John Kennedy's assassination mission teddy had his own brush with death when he barely survived a plane crash he suffered severe injuries and even after months in the hospital chronic back pain would play again for the rest of his life. Teddy evolved his political reviews throughout the rest of the nineteen sixties living through his brother John's assassination and later Robert's murder in nineteen sixty eight Robert's assassinations and the Democratic Party into chaos and the Democrats. We're already at a disadvantage in that incumbent president Lyndon Baines Johnson was electing not to run Robert was the most popular option and with his death so close to the actual election. There was no one else for the Democrats to put forward who had stand a chance against the Republican nominee Richard Nixon there was actually a movement among the Democrats to have Ted Kennedy Take Roberts place as a nominee Ted decline though both out of respect for his brother's memory and his own acknowledgment that he wasn't experienced enough to be president still the thought wasn't new to his mind. After Richard Nixon won the presidency in nineteen sixty eight Ted won the election to become the majority whip in the Senate. It was a given among the establishment Democrats that Ted Kennedy would make a bid to run against Nixon in the nineteen seventy two election but then the summer summer of Nineteen sixty-nine happened on July eighteenth nineteen sixty nine while most of the country was glued to their radios waiting for updates on the recently launched Apollo Eleven Moon Mission Ted Kennedy set up a party. The purpose of the gathering was to host a reunion of six women Rosemary Keough Nance and Mary Ellen Lions Susan Tanenbaum Esther Newberg and twenty eight year old Mary Jo Kopechne e these women had all worked on Robert Kennedy's presidential campaign and had come to be known as the boiler room girls due to the windowless room. They all worked out of on the campaign. This this was a group of young smart women whose time as an effective political team had been tragically cut short by Robert's murder they had reunited a number of times prior to the July eighteenth gathering the party was hosted on Chappaquiddick island a fairy accessible retreat east of Martha's Vineyard in addition to the boiler room girls six men attended including Ted Kennedy his cousin Joseph Gorgan and Paul Markham the the United States District Attorney in Massachusetts as the Party started to wind down Ted prepared to leave his wife. Joan was pregnant at the time and bedridden due to her two previous miscarriages and Ted was ready to return to her. He started making the rounds to say his goodbyes at eleven fifteen on his way out. He passed Mary. Jo Mary. Jo was staying at a hotel near Ted's and she asked if he could give her a ride back. Ted Kennedy did normally drive himself as a wealthy senator yet a chauffeur for most of his transport needs Ted's chauffeured. John Crimmins was actually at the party that night when Ted saw that John was still eating and and enjoying himself he ask for the keys to his car until John he drive himself home. The rest of the guests were too preoccupied with a party to notice Mary Jo leave with Kennedy when they realized she was gone. They all soom she'd had left on her own. Ted and Mary Jo climbed into Ted's Black Oldsmobile in started off down the narrow unlit paved road that would take them to the mainland for Mary Joe. It was the last last time she'd set foot dry land next. We'll discuss the death of Mary Jo Kopechne -I in the fallout of Ted Kennedy's actions after the fateful crash now back back to the story on the evening of July Eighteenth Nineteen sixty-nine Ted Kennedy left a party on Chappaquiddick island in his black oldsmobile. He had a passenger Mary Jo Kopechne -I whom he was giving a ride home. Ted didn't normally drive himself yet a chauffeur John Crimmins but he chose to take the keys and drive his black oldsmobile himself that night according to Ted's later testimony. He left the party with Mary Jo at around eleven fifteen in the evening Chappaquiddick was a popular destination in part because it was secluded and as such a number of its roads were unpaved and unlit shortly after driving away from the party Ted made a wrong turn in started down dyke road which at that time was an unlit unpaved road that led to a dead end past dike bridge in nineteen sixty nine dike bridge did not have a guardrail Ted was driving too fast to stop the car once he caught sight of the narrow cross whe he lost control of the Oldsmobile just before hit the crossing the car shot over the edge and hit the water the car saint quickly as it filled with water the momentum from the fall off the bridge caused it to turn over. Over before it finally landed at the floor of Polka Pond Ted had hit his head in the crash it was panicked and struggling as the car filled with dark cold water. Mary Jo was screaming. She was stuck she couldn't get out Ted managed to free himself through the car window and swim up to the surface as he gasped for air. He realized that Mary Jo had not followed him. She was still stuck in the car. Ted Swim Back Down to the car to try and free Mary Jo but it was dark and the only source of light was the distant moon the murky shine of the submerged car's headlights he he swam down to the car but couldn't get back into reach her. He went up for air again. Swam down again. He repeated this a number of times until the horrible truth finally dawned on him. He couldn't free Mary Jo in so many minutes had passed that I now she had Shirley already drowned soaked and disoriented Ted swam back to shore and and this is as the story goes where his actions shift from the understandable to the unforgivable Ted sat on the riverbank for a few minutes likely recovering from the shock the cold and the exertion of trying to reach Mary Jo in the car then he went home looking through the records of what was going on at Chappaquiddick that night Ted almost certainly walked past the dyke house aptly named for its location on Dyke Road on the night of July eighteenth. The dyke houses front porch light was on someone was home but Ted Kennedy walked right past it. It didn't go to the house to try and use the telephone call for help. It was just over a mile back to the cottage where the party was still in full swing. Ted also passed a fire station where he could have rushed in to ask for help. The cottage was actually across across the street from the Fire Department. Meaning Ted would have walked right past the building on his way back to the party again. He didn't alert emergency personnel about what had happened. Once there he summoned his cousin Joe Gorgan and his his friend Paul Markham Ted told these two men what happened together the three of them drove back to the crash site Markham in Gorgan both stripped out of their clothes before diving in to try and recover Mary Gel one might wonder why they would take the time to remove their clothes given that a woman was trapped in a submerged vehicle and had been for at least half an hour of course neither of the men could speak as to why they did it but consider the fact act that they'd have a hard time explaining away wet clothes. If anyone saw them later and you can start to connect the dots like Kennedy the men couldn't reach her the water was too dark in the car was at such an angle angled. They couldn't get inside it. The men's spoke in hushed whispers as they walked to the ferry dock on Chappaquiddick Island Gorgan and Markham made it clear in no uncertain terms. The ten should call the police immediately. Lee Ted agreed said he would and then jumped in the ocean to make the swim back to the mainland Ted reached his hotel after two in the morning close to two thirty a m after he had showered and changed into dry clothes in Ted approach the innkeeper and stated that he'd been awakened by some noise in doing so ted seemed to have created something of an alibi for himself. Garden and Markham met up with Ted the next morning at eight A._M.. They were both furious to find out he had not kept his promise to tell the police about the accident. We can't know what was going on in Ted's head at that moment but his actions would seem to be those of a man who is hoping being that that car simply wouldn't be found at that same time as the tide was moving out a fisherman and his son spotted Kennedy's cars submerged in the water. The police were called in eight eight forty five the captain of the Edgar town fire rescue. John Farrar was summoned with his diving gear to swim down into the car. He found capacities body in the passenger seat. They recovered her within ten minutes and I did the license plate to find that it was registered to Ted Kennedy close to ten A._M.. Ted received word that police had found the car and the body over ten hours after the accident Ted Ted Kennedy appeared at the Edgar Town police station and reported the incident in his official statement Kennedy confessed a crashing the car and stated that he was both exhausted from his attempts at trying to save Mary Jo and in a state of general shock from the accident itself. This was why he failed to report the accident immediately. Ted claimed that he came to his senses after getting a few hours of sleep and that he contacted attacked police immediately afterwards Kennedy appeared in court a week later on July twenty fifth on charges of leaving the scene of an accident in the week between the incident and the court appearance the details of what had really what happened only became muddier and Muddier with questions how did Ted accidentally turn onto dyke road. The turnoff required a driver to make a deliberate right turn from a curving paved road Ted and Mary Joe had likely driven that route a number of times just on that day. Why did Mary Jo Leave her person keys behind the party? If Ted was supposedly taking her to her hotel Ted later claimed that he suffered a concussion as a result of the crash and that contributed to his inability to think straight or make rational decisions but then how is he able to swim back to the mainland to reach his hotel a concussion can cause disorientation and fatigue neither of which you WANNA be dealing with if you're planning on making a long night swim plus Ted still suffered from the chronic back pain brought on by the plane crash he'd been in five years before. Could you really have made that swim if he wasn't of sound mind and finally who could account for the testimony of Deputy Sheriff Christopher Look Look had been working on the night of July eighteenth and in the fall out of the accident he testified it just seen a car on Chappaquiddick road that matched the description of Kennedy's Oldsmobile. The characters look recalled from the license plate also matched with Kennedy's the smoking gun here is the time line look reported had seeing this car at around twelve forty am yet Kennedy testified that he left the party with Mary. Jo at eleven fifteen and people at the party corroborated this. If everyone involved was telling the truth that would mean that Ted and Mary Jo were in the car for over an hour before crashing just a mile away from the party so what happened during that hour the incident in Ted Kennedy's. Involvement was a national news story though it received less attention than likely should have remember at that time the entire country was fixated on the impending moon landing which would occur on July twentieth nineteen sixty thirty nine at the July twenty fifth hearing Kennedy pleaded guilty and was sentenced to two months suspended jail sentence in other words. He got a slap on the wrist that same night Ted went on TV the and delivered a prepared statement in it. He clarified that he had not behaved immorally with Mary Gel meaning. He was not engaging in an affair with her. He wasn't under the influence he had no excuse for his failure to report the accident other than his shock and confusion he concluded his statement by asking his constituents in Massachusetts to help him process what had happened but clarified that the decision to resign from the Senate would be his to make and he didn't make it as we said Ted Kennedy occupied his Senate seat until the end of his life in two thousand nine but there was significant fallout how do to the highly publicized scandal to be blunt. The chappaquiddick incident of nineteen sixty nine is likely the sole reason that Ted Kennedy never became president despite the P._R.. Black Mark Against Him Ted was re elected by an overwhelming majority to a Senate seat in nineteen seventy. It was widely assumed he was going to confirm the rumors and run for president in nineteen seventy two but he didn't Ted Kennedy was at least on the national stage inextricably linked to the chappaquiddick scandal in nineteen seventy four he once again made the decision not to run in the nineteen seventy six election in part because he knew the scandal would dampen his chances Ted finally made his move in nineteen seventy nine when he challenged incumbent president Jimmy Carter for the Democratic nomination he lost the primary badly and Carter's constant reference to the Chappaquiddick chappaquiddick incident in the media and in the publicized debates largely contributed to that loss in two thousand eighteen a film about the incident appropriately title Chappaquiddick was released. There's a scene in the film that takes place just after Ted Kennedy returned to the party from the leg. The line he says is by the admission of the film's writers a fiction a speculation on their part but they justified it by claiming they we looked into what was known about the man himself and what was likely going through his head at that time and they wrote the line based on that foundation of research in the film when Ted Kennedy First Summons Joe Garden in Paul Markham he he tells them bluntly. I'm never going to be president. He may not have said it in real life but the sentiment is true all the same Ted Kennedy passed away in two thousand nine with his death. The only two people people who really knew what happened on the night of July Eighteenth nineteen sixty nine we're now gone and could no longer answer any lingering questions but they're still are lingering questions. Our first conspiracy deals with the so-called missing our between when Kennedy left the Party with Mary Jo and when he was suspected to have been seen by sheriff look over an hour later. There's a number of speculative possibilities including getting the theory that Ted was drunk in Mary. Jo forced him to pull over and sober up or that Ted wasn't even driving the car after spotting sheriff look head left Mary Jo to drive herself home. Mary Jo unacquainted with the road got lost and crashed into the pont our second conspiracy deals with the status of Mary Jo herself who she even alive when the car crashed did she drown as is commonly suspected acted or did she survive for hours in an underwater air bubble doomed only because Ted waited so long to report the accident. Our third conspiracy asked the question was there a cover up orange attempted one ted Kennedy called a number of his father's powerful friends in the hours before he spoke to the police. What was said in those calls? What was he hoping to accomplish? Was He trying to hide something even more despicable than leaving a woman behind to die. There's a conventional wisdom that scandals are just part of the political game when you're embroiled in one honey. You just need to wait for the press to move on to the next big story. A chappaquidick has endured for fifty years since the incident the unanswered questions and more seriously the fact that a man who clearly felt the oval the office was his birthright could be capable of such a callous act of negligence. Joe Kennedy senior lived just long enough to witness the shameful period that ended his dreams of having a son finish a term as president he died shortly after the incident in November of nineteen sixty nine. When we think of John Kennedy we think of assassination when we think of Robert Kennedy we think of assassination when we think of Ted Kennedy we think of Chappaquiddick thanks again for tuning into our conspiracy theories summer of sixty nine special next week? 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Chappaquiddick & Senator Ted Kennedy Pt. 2
"Time magazine Love Ted Kennedy in his final years in the mid to late `oughts the weekly Lee magazine published a number of profiles on the long-serving Senator has it began to succumb to health issues seemingly signaling that his time on this earth was coming coming to an end they wrote of his suffering how he had persevered through the tragic assassinations of his brothers John and Robert Kennedy and his own physical trauma from a nineteen sixty four plane crash that left him in chronic pain the articles covered his political legacy naming him as the lion of the Senate crediting him for Supporting Barack Obama in the Democratic primaries and leaving him toward his nomination for president his political record comes up two by two thousand eight Ted Kennedy was the third longest serving senator in the history of the union with eight consecutive terms serving the people of Massachusetts and America at large what the illustrious magazine failed to mention in these series of profiles was the great great black mark of Ted Kennedy's career in July of nineteen sixty nine in the middle of the night. Ted Kennedy drove his car. You're off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island in Massachusetts in crashed into a pond. The car quickly sank Kennedy managed to to escape but his passenger twenty eight year old Mary Jo Kopechne he was pinned. She drowned in the dark Ted Kennedy. It did not report the incident for ten hours what happened during that time has led to numerous theories about timelines intentions NHS drunk driving and cover-ups orchestrated by powerful individuals all of its swirls around the question. What really really happened that night? What exactly did Ted Kennedy get away with <music>? Welcome to conspiracy theories apar- cast original every Wednesday we dig into the complicated stories behind the world's as most controversial events and search for the truth. I'm Carter Roy and I'm Ali Brandenburg and neither of us are conspiracy theorists but we are open minded minded skeptical and curious. Don't get US wrong. Sometimes the official version is the truth but sometimes it's not this is our second second and final episode on the Chappaquiddick incident of Nineteen sixty-nine when rising star Senator Ted Kennedy crashed his car into a pond on on Chappaquiddick island the incident resulted in the death of Mary Jo Kopechne any and to this day there are questions regarding how she died why she was in the a car and what led Ted Kennedy to wait ten hours before notifying the authorities that he had left a woman trapped in the submerged vehicle. This episode is as part of our casts summer of sixty nine event till I twenty second through August ninth. All your favorite par- cash shows are teaming up to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary of of a landmark summer in American history. The summer of nineteen sixty nine from the Manson murders to the moon landing were tightening deep into the summer America hit a boiling point with twenty three special episodes across sixteen different podcast originals. 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This is our second and final episode on the Chappaquiddick incident of nineteen sixty nine when rising star Senator Senator Ted Kennedy crashed his car into a pond on Chappaquiddick island the incident resulted in the death of Mary Jo Kopechne e and to this day there are questions regarding how she died why she was in the car and what led Ted Kennedy to wait ten hours before notifying lying the authorities that he had left a woman trapped in a submerged vehicle. The chappaquiddick incident is among the most famous political scandals in American history three and is seen as the key reason that Ted Kennedy never had the chance to follow in his brother's footsteps for real shot at a presidential run but the legacy of the entire affair is inherently problematic in no small part because we tend to refer to it as a political scandal and not on a case of manslaughter over the past ten years ever since Ted Kennedy passed away at has come to be accepted that the real story story of Chappaquiddick may never be known after all the two people who were in the car that night are both dead and gone and this episode episode. We're going to examine the unanswered questions that still swirl today over the chappaquiddick incident our first conspiracy theory is the Ted Kennedy's Kennedy's account of when he left the Party and when he crashed is false this is best evidenced by the so called missing our between when and Ted Kennedy left the Party and when he was supposedly spotted by a sheriff's deputy over an hour later our second conspiracy theory is that Ted Kennedy he was intoxicated or otherwise impaired that night and that this was the reason for both the crash and his actions immediately following it finally Ted Kennedy waited ten hours before he reported the crash. It's been suggested though obviously never proven that Mary Jo lived for much longer than initially suspected and that she may have been rescued. If only Ted had gone for help in our last episode we discussed the decades long series of events that ultimately led to Ted Kennedy and Mary Jo Kopechne e attending that party on Chappaquiddick island on the evening of July Eighteenth nineteen sixty nine ted was the youngest son of Joseph Kennedy Senior. The New England millionaire and Patriarch of of the Kennedy Family Joe Senior groomed his sons to succeed in politics but between nineteen forty four and nineteen sixty eight he he saw his hopes dashed as each of his three eldest sons. I tragically young Joe Kennedy Junior died in nineteen forty four while while on a combat mission in World War Two president John F. Kennedy was assassinated in nineteen sixty three and Robert Bobby Kennedy was gunned down in nineteen eighteen sixty eight all of a sudden there was only Ted Kennedy who had been expelled from Harvard for cheating and had a criminal record for reckless is driving Ted worked to make himself into the kind of man who could truly honor the Kennedy name by nineteen sixty nine it was widely assumed from that he would make his first bid for the presidency against incumbent Richard Nixon in nineteen seventy two but then chappaquiddick happened July Eighteenth nineteen sixty nine was supposed to be a day of Reunion in celebration. Ted organized denies a reunion of the six boiler room girls former staffers of Robert Kennedy's presidential campaign. Mary Jo was among these women. The day I saw the attendees partake in a boat race and a barbecue before retiring to a rented cottage on Chappaquiddick island to continue the party our first conspiracy Chrissy theory concerns a time discrepancy in the official account of what happened on the night of the eighteenth. Could it be possible that there really was a missing kissing our intense account the theory of the missing our comes primarily from Deputy Sheriff Christopher look who was on the roads on Chappaquiddick after midnight on the night of the incident recall according to Ted Kennedy's testimony. He left the party at around eleven fifteen pm. He encountered Mary Joe on his way out. She told him she was not feeling well and asked him to give her a ride back to her hotel. Chappaquiddick is not a large patch of land. It would have been only about two miles from the cottage to the ferry that would have taken Ted's car to the mainland and it was only one mile from the cottage to the bridge where Ted ultimately crashed his car given the Ted believed he was driving at a speed of around twenty miles per hour. It should should've been mere minutes between when he drove off from the Party and when he crashed the deputy sheriff looks account paints a different picture that night look had been working at a dance in the Yacht Club at Martha's vineyard he was there until after midnight and then made his way across the narrow channel to return to his home on Chappaquiddick island according to look he was approaching chappaquiddick roads one main intersection intersection the same intersection where Ted Kennedy would later claim to have made a wrong turn when he spotted a dark four door sedan pulled over at the side side of the road looks headlights made it clear that a man was driving in the woman was sitting in the passenger seat look assuming that the driver and passenger may debut lost got out of his vehicle and approached it but as he got close the car lurched into gear and barreled on down Dyke road toward toward dike bridge this was at twelve forty in the morning nearly an hour and a half after Kennedy had left the Party with Mary. Mary Jo Look didn't commit the cars full license plate to memory but he did remember that it contained in l. and two sevens after the bazaar encounter look continued down Chappaquiddick road and encountered some of the party guests outside the cabin he asked if any of them knew about about a black sedan. None of them could confirm whether it belonged to Kennedy even though most of the people at that party likely knew the Kennedy had arrived in a block four door oldsmobile but there are two facts that connect a car that look had seen with Ted Kennedy's car won won Ted Kennedy's license plate number was L. Seven eight Dash Two oh seven it contained in l. and two sevens just like look described ascribed more damning is the fact that look was one of the first responders on the scene when the car was discovered and pulled from the water on the morning of July nineteenth eighteenth at the scene he noted that he had seen that same car the night before if look really saw Kennedy's car that would mean a full ninety minutes passed between when Kennedy left the Party was Mary Jo and when he crashed his car off dike bridge this naturally leads to the question of what happened during that missing time and why would kennedy lie about it. was there more to the story of what happened that night before with a crash. Could it be possible that Ted's intentions for Mary. Jo were less than honorable or maybe even that she was dead before the car. I sank into the river. It's no worthy that Kennedy claimed to have been back in his hotel by two twenty five in the morning given the distance between the crash site the cottage and Kennedy's own statement about how he recruited Paul Markham in Joe Gorgan to try and Rescue Mary Jo from the car it would have been possible for him to be back in the hotel that time if he crashed the car at eleven fifteen but the time line seems much less likely if he actually crashed the car closer to one in the morning this particular theory deal simply with whether Ted Kennedy crashed when he says he did unfortunately there's not much to go off of besides two conflicting accounts from fifty years ago although don't forget the Ted did speak to the innkeeper at his hotel and that was believed to have happened between two and three in the morning honestly what seems most likely is that both Ted Kennedy and look are telling what they believed to be the truth if look got his time wrong then it's entirely possible that he did see Ted and Mary Jo in the car but <music> at an earlier time than twelve forty A._M.. But this still doesn't account for why Ted didn't mention pulling over on the side of the road I give it a nine out of tin that the official stories timeline is falls at least to some degree what I'm not sure about is whether that's intentional or just a byproduct kicked of Ted failing to recall exact details about a night where he crashed his car nearly drowned and probably when to some degree of shock no regardless regardless of intent looks story does raise some questions why was Kennedy pulled over in the first place and if he was telling the truth. Why did his version version of the story not explain why he was pulled over that night? Could it be that he didn't remember pulling over in the first place or perhaps Ted needed it to withhold the real reason that he was pulled over. Could it be that he realized he needed to sober out next. 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There was plenty of time for Kennedy to craft his story. Our second conspiracy theory is that Ted Kennedy he was either intoxicated or otherwise impaired when he crashed the car even if he wasn't this theory puts forth that something was off with his State of mind that night and whatever it was directly led to the crash and Mary Jo's death when the story of the accident I broke. There were two main in questions that arose. What was Mary Jo Kopechne e doing in Ted Kennedy's car and was Ted Kennedy Drunk Ted Kennedy. He didn't drive at least didn't often drive given his substantial personal fortune and high status as United States. Senator Ted had a chauffeured referred to cover. Most of his transportation needs in fact. Ted's personal chauffeur. John Crimmins was at the cottage party on Chappaquiddick island on the night of the incident. prims was a guest. That's considered to be true but he was also there in some capacity as Ted Kennedy's driver river so when Ted Kennedy prepared to leave. Why didn't crimmins leave with him when asked later? Ted stated that he didn't want to pull crimmins wins away from the party to take him home. CRIMMINS was still enjoying his meal and the company. It's odd the crimmins would be preoccupied with a meal since it was after eleven at night when Kennedy made to leave that maybe that really was the case given the full day of partying and relaxing. There's one thing to note here though we're unsure what to read into it. According to the official account Ted Kennedy retrieved his car keys from crimmins after Mary. Jo asked him for a ride home. This could mean that Ted was planning on having crimmins drive him home until Mary. Jo asked for a ride. If he wasn't planning on driving he might have been drinking. Mary Jo by all accounts was a smart capable woman and it would have been very out of character for her to be drinking drinking heavily at an event like this but she hadn't driven herself to the party and thus wouldn't have needed to worry about keeping an eye on her drinking. There are some uncorroborated reports that she had drunk at least some amount of alcohol at the party. She may not have been impaired but she also may not have noticed if Ted was not in a condition to drive now crimmins was both Kennedy's driver and occasional aid he knew the man well and it's not a stretch to to assume that he would have noticed if Ted was too drunk to drive himself. The fact that he handed over the keys to the car would seem to indicate that as far as the partygoers eighty goers were concerned. Ted was only fine the big discrepancy that may lead one to ask if Ted was drunk or not has to do with the geography a Chappaquiddick island itself. Chappaquidick has one main road one that Ted Mary Jo had both ridden along multiple times throughout that a day Chappaquiddick road tracks along about two miles from the ferry point before making a right turn into the more residential area that turn occurs at the intersection with Dyke road again. This was really the only major road on the island and even at night Kennedy would have known known that to get to the ferry from the cottage he would have had to just follow Chappaquiddick road. Keep left at the fork and then take it all the way to the ferry. So how did he instead manage to turn left on Dyke Road and moreover. Why did he stay on Dyke Road after the turn Dyke road was unpaved and it should have been evident immediately to Ted that he'd made a wrong turn of course if he'd been drunk that might explain how he'd be able to get so turned around but it's also possible that Ted had not done much driving over the island crimmins was with him and it's possible that Ted had been preoccupied with some matter or another as criminals handled the driving and thus ted wasn't as familiar with the roads as he should have been but again if if that was the case why would crimmins let Ted drive on the Unfamiliar Island Roads At night. Ted was asked this very question when he was interrogated gated by police after he confessed fleeing the scene of the accident according to him he'd actually never been on Chappaquiddick island prior to to that day and so he didn't know the roads at all he visited Martha's vineyard plenty of times in his life but never chappaquiddick the question in how Ted Kennedy came to make that wrong turn and why he continued to drive at a speed of twenty miles per hour down an unpaved road becomes more more complicated when you consider the testimony of deputy sheriff look remember look claims that he spotted the black sedan that was likely Kennedy's hold over near the intersection of Chappaquiddick road and Dyke road. He exited his vehicle and approached with the sedan shot away before he could could get a good look at the driver. It's been suggested though obviously not proven the Ted. Kennedy saw look approaching the car either because he knew he was drunk or because he knew the optics of being caught alone in a car with a woman who wasn't his wife would be potentially damaging to his career. Kennedy realized he couldn't let look identify him so he put the car in gear and pulled away not realizing that he had taken a wrong turn down dyke road toward dike bridge was so focused on not being seen that he didn't track how fast he was driving or the directs new is heading until it was too late and he drove off the bridge of course this theory hit something of a snag when we consider what happened after the crash if if Ted Kennedy was so drunk that he managed to crash his car into the pond on earth was cogent enough actually get himself out of the car. Maybe he got lucky. The question of how Ted Kennedy managed to free himself from the submerged vehicle while Mary Jo remains stuck will likely never be he answered additionally. We'll never know the real reason why Kennedy didn't stop at any houses on his track back to the party to get help. The walk from the crash site back to the cottage is roughly one. Mile Ted Kennedy passed at least one house that had its porch light on and he also passed the firehouse house on his way back. It's been stated though not totally confirmed that he passed up to four houses that had their porch lights on during his walk back to the cottage. One of the most damning actions Kennedy took in this story is not running up to any of these homes and asking to use the telephone to call for help. Kennedy would later say he was exhausted and in shock from the near death experience of the crash is mine wasn't in the right place and thus he didn't grasp ask that he should have rushed to the nearest house and immediately sought help but if Kennedy was drunk it would also explain why he didn't talk to anyone on his way back act cottage until he rendezvous with Guardian and Markham Kennedy didn't inform the police of the accident until ten hours after it occurred because of the time lapse there was no way for anyone to administer a sobriety test all they had to go off of was Ted Kennedy's word and so barring a confession from Kennedy admitting that he'd been impaired there was no way nor will there ever be a way to determine if he he was drunk when he got behind the wheel of his oldsmobile in his statement to the public on July twenty fifth nineteen sixty nine. Ted Reemphasized besides that he was not intoxicated. He made sure to note that his doctors had retroactively diagnosed him with a concussion and was shock but he didn't didn't want us these conditions to justify his actions how noble of him and that was it. Ted Kennedy stuck to that official story for the rest in his life and no one who is at the party ever came forward to make an on the record statement that they witness. Ted Drinking that night and so all we can really really do is guest the validity of this theory. I'll give this one six out of ten. It's impossible to prove in. It's completely plausible. The tape Kennedy really was just that unfamiliar with the roads on Chappaquiddick island but consider the numerous events that raise questions. Ted Likely thought he wouldn't have to drive in self that night since his driver was present at the party he was more than likely spotted by Deputy Sheriff Look but drove off before he could be identified identified. You somehow failed to grasp that he was on the wrong road despite the lack of pavement and he wasn't able to stop the car fast enough even after Dike Bridge Ridge became visible in his headlights. He didn't alert anyone that might be able to help rescue Mary. Jo and he only confessed to fleeing the scene. After after it would be impossible to determine his level of sobriety. That's a lot of damning facts all of which can be explained by intoxication. Ted Kennedy claimed he wasn't in his right mind after the crash he may have actually been telling the truth but lied about the reason one more major question about chappaquiddick that really shows the level to which Ted Kennedy's actions were unforgivable at question is how along it Mary Jo Kopechne e live after the crash. We'll discuss that and the likelihood of a cover up after this now the conclusion to the story. We've discussed the inconsistencies in the official account of what happened in the late hours of the evening on Chappaquiddick Island and we've discussed the likelihood that Ted was drinking on the night of the accident however ever all of these unanswered questions still don't address one of the key questions in this incident. How much was Ted Kennedy to blame for what happened so let's take a second and assume that the official story is as Ted told it he got turned around on the road crashed. The car thought he was is doing everything he could save Mary Jo but was so shocked by the crash that he wasn't thinking straight. His inaction almost becomes palatable eligible. If you accept that all these things are true assuming that he was correct in thinking Mary Jo Really did perish just minutes after the car hit the water our last theory examines the actual death of Mary Jo Kopechne -I the confirmed cause of death and the question Stian of how long she may have survived in the car after Ted abandoned her recall. The generally known facts of the crash Ted Kennedy was driving. Mary Joe was in the passenger seat. He was tearing down the unpaved. Unlit Dyke Road at around twenty miles an hour when he spotted the end of the road marked by dike hike bridge in the pond beyond Ted couldn't hit the brakes fast enough and the car crashed over the edge of the drop off and hit the water it turned over whereas it submerged landing on its roof at the foot of the pond ten feet below the surface. Ted was able to get free from the car and swim to the surface he claimed to have swum back down to the car a number of times to try and free Mary Jo but he was disoriented from the shock of the crash and the water was pitch black so he couldn't see her well enough to help by the time. Tan decided to leave the scene in return to the cottage. Several minutes had passed. He assume that too much time had passed since the car sunk below the surface and that there was no way that Mary Jo could still be alive. She must have drowned wound. This conclusion also makes up for part of Ted's justification for not telling more people about the crash until the next morning with the darkness of the night and the cold water he worried that if he started to tell the other party guests it might prompt a wider rescue attempt and even more people could've gotten hurt the claim that he was protecting the other women at the party from sharing Mary. Jo's fate doesn't really hold up at all. It doesn't especially especially given the fact that Ted passed a firehouse on his way back to the cottage and could have roused trained rescue professionals easily but the extent end of Ted's negligence became more complicated after the car with Mary Jo Kopechne as bodies still inside was retrieved the next morning on the morning of July nineteenth while head was mulling over his options at his hotel a fisherman and his son spotted the car on the bottom of the the pond fire and rescue or summoned to examine and recover the car at approximately eight forty five in the morning John Farrar captain. The fire rescue unit arrived with scuba gear. He swam down to the car and found Mary. Jo's body inside. He removed her from the vehicle and carried her back to the shore. The subsequent investigation published the position. Mary Jo's body was in when she was found. Donald Mills tells the medical examiner who performed the autopsy to Claire Drowning as the cause of death. This would be in line with the story that Ted Kennedy told but there were dissenters in John Farrar is account. He describes Mary Jo's body as he found her. She was in the back seat of the car with her hands clenched around the underside of the seats and her head pressed against the back footstool. Her position in the back seat is likely part of the evidence used when proposing the theory that Mary Jo was asleep in the back seat of the car but Farrar offers a different explanation. Ferrara Aurora believed that Mary Jo managed to climb in the back seat of the submerged overturned car. Her head placement indicated that she was positioning earning herself to keep her head in an air bubble within the car with that in mind. It's possible that the cause of death wasn't drowning rather. Mary Jo suffocated as she slowly used up all the oxygen in the car. This also raises the Morbid question of how long Mary Jo was down down there struggling to breathe waiting for help that never came and Ferraris own words. If Ted Kennedy had called for help immediately you could have gotten married joe out of the car within twenty five minutes of the crash. Farrar went so far as to estimate that Mary Jo could have lived for. Up to two hours after the crash and thus could have been saved if only Ted had gone for help given how explosive that information is wonders whether it came up during the subsequent investigation and trial well it did but only in the sense that Farrar was not allowed to testify his opinions about how Mary Jo could have lived for longer for our would stayed in interviews that he wanted to give his statement taint Kennedy's prosecutor but he was never summoned Kennedy justified leaving the scene of the accident by claiming he was tired in shock doc and that enough time had passed that he was sure Mary Jo had drowned. We know this for sure. However Long Mary Jo did manage Wjr to survive down there? She'd been dead for hours when her body was finally recovered then again. Is there a sliding scale of blame dependent on how long long it took Mary Jo Kopechne in to die is Ted Kennedy less culpable for what happened. If Mary Jo was already dead when he fled the scene the numbers not not exact but there have been cases in which a drowned person has been resuscitated up to forty or even fifty minutes after they stopped breathing the the window for recovery can be even longer if hypothermia is in play the water around Chappaquiddick island would have likely been in the low to high sixties on that night though it could have been potentially lower since the son had been set for several hours though it's not freezing temperatures it is possible for hypothermia to set in if a body is submerged in water of that temperature for a prolonged amount of time. All of this is to say that if ted Ted Kennedy had gone immediately for help. It's entirely plausible that Mary Jo could have been rescued from the car. Andrew desiccated was the right medical. Oh care she may have even been able to make a full recovery. We'll never know what was possible because due to Ted Kennedy's inaction. Mary Jo wasn't recovered until ten hours after she went in the water. There is no rating for this one. Whether Mary Jo survived for hours I lasted. Only minutes doesn't really change take Kennedy's actions. Even if Mary Jo died quickly after the crash as Ted suspected he should have done on everything possible to save her he didn't and now we'll never know if Mary Jo could have been rescued. We're going to wrap up by going <music> over some of the smaller alternative theories about what really happened on the night of July eighteenth to start. We're going to examine one theory that further further removed blame from Kennedy on account of the fact that he wasn't even driving the car when it crashed according to this line of thinking king after Kennedy spotted look he pulled over on Dyke Road and not out of the car his plan was to walk back to the cottage inch and get a ride from someone else leaving Mary Jo to drive tents car back to the hotel. Mary Jo was unfamiliar with the Bulky Unwieldy L. D. Oldsmobile like Ted. She didn't even have a sense of where she was on the road until it was too late and she had driven off the bridge and into the Water Ted was still walking back towards the cottage. When the crash happened he rushed to the scene and tried to save Mary Jo but couldn't and the rest of the events generally carried out as the official story says they did this one of course raises the question of why Ted would claim he was driving the car Dr if he really wasn't when the fact that he hadn't even been in the car help absolve him of guilt? The car was still his Ted might have suspected suspected that few people would believe that he would have let Mary Jo drive his car alone claiming to have been driving would have actually raised fewer questions than telling the truth and he hadn't been in the car at all <hes> this one feels a little flimsy what seems more likely as that the more outlandish theories like this one came about as a result of the gap in understanding because we simply don't know every detail of what happened in the minutes leading up to the accident it it is possible to put out a wide range of alternatives series of events this next one however might actually have some way to it. According to one theory Mary Jo Kopechne he actually tried to leave the party much earlier than eleven fifteen she was tired and may have even been suffering from a headache. She knew knew she wasn't in a state to drive and she didn't want to bother any ever fellow guests so she stepped outside the cottage and crawled into the back of Ted's Oldsmobile a bill to take a nap Ted Dro- of made a wrong turn and crashed the car all while being unaware that Mary Jo was asleep in his backseat. Now this may seem to help absolve him further and explain why he waited to report the accident. There would have been much less of a rush to get the police involved if Ted didn't I didn't know there was someone trapped in the car but again we come back to the question of why did Ted Kennedy never clarify that while dish inally both growth garden and Markham said the Ted had told them about Mary Jo on the night of the accident right after it happened all in all we think the theories that modify modify who was driving and what Ted Kennedy New Are Pretty Flimsy. The official story Ted was driving. Mary Jo was in the passenger seat and Ted knew that she was still in the car. When he failed to report? The accident still seems most likely the remaining question though concerns ends one of the most damning mysteries of this entire incident hearing all of this. You have to wonder how on Earth Kennedy Kennedy managed to walk away from this event serve no jail time and continue on to a successful decades long career as a United States senator in interviews conducted in the years after the chappaquiddick incident John Farrar and others indicate that there was some kind of cover up our final final tag conspiracy tackles the question of whether there was a cover up in the chappaquiddick incident. I want to say outright. I don't think there it was at least not in the way that some do on the fact that Ted Kennedy was tried for the crime of leaving the scene of an accident and even sentenced to jail l. time albeit in a suspended sentence kind of removed this event from cover up territory. This feels more like old money New England exerting influence to minimize the damage after all. No one at the party knew that Mary Joe had left in the hours after it happened since she left her. I behind Kennedy's driver John Crimmins was at the party. It was totally possible course of action for Ted to insist that crimmins women's jump in the water and then tell everyone that crimmins was the one driving the car during the crash Kennedy also could've put Markham or garden up up to admitting that they were the ones behind the wheel he allegedly did this but that story comes from disgruntled residents of Martha's Vineyard and unfortunately there's little truth to back it up. We don't think there was a sinister cover up in chappaquiddick because the car was found and linked to Kennedy before he would have been enable to organize one now that isn't to say that he wasn't considering it consider the fact that he made a point to speak with the innkeeper of his hotel at two in in the morning and fresh clothes effectively establishing something like an alibi but then again why go to the police if that was his plan plan even after the car was linked to him Kennedy could have claimed to have not been the driver used the conversation with the innkeeper as his support that he was in his hotel and have one of his men. Take the fall for the accident. Maybe he didn't because he knew through his lawyers has friends his power as a senator and the influence of the Kennedy name he would turn out just fine and he did though the chappaquiddick scandal did prevail prevail over Kennedy's future efforts to run for president and likely is the key reason he never made it to the Oval Office. It's not like Kennedy's life was ruined in the aftermath of the incident. During his televised speech Kennedy called on the people of Massachusetts to help them work through the incident don't they did. I re electing him. Consistently over the next four decades and people today are entitled to representation by men who inspire their utmost competence this reason I would understand full well why some might think it bright for me to resign so I ask you tonight. Igla Massachusetts think this through with me in facing this decision you think your advice making it. I think you're praised the chappaquiddick. Incident is one of the most famous scandals in American can political history. There are few instances in the history of our country were a sitting politician was embroiled in a case of manslaughter and managed manage to save some of his career in the fallout. We'll never know the full true story of what happened on that dark night in July the two people oh who did are dead in their wake. All we can do is wonder overall. There's a clear theory that seems to be the absolute right eight one the missing our does seem to be real. It's more than likely that Ted Kennedy's timeline of events regarding when he left the Party and when he crashed is not accurate and the deputy sheriff look did spot his car pulled over on the side of the road after midnight however we can't steed whether whether this was deliberate deception Kennedy's art or just a false recollection of events if we accept that the missing our is real it also becomes uh-huh easier to accept that Ted was drunk or at least somewhat impaired that night in that it factored into the crash and his actions in the hours following but again it's impossible to save for sure and the case of Chappaquiddick the official story likely isn't the full truth but with fifty fifty years common gone since it happened. It's the only truth we're ever going to get <music>. 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The Sky brightened slightly a special agent ca troby and agent Kong park the car the December sunrise makes little difference to CA- tropy who's been up since four four A._M.. Working this case just off to seven thirty they enter the luxury apartment building situated a myth three blocks from central park among the agents flash their badges at the doorman and take the elevator to the penthouse they here to catch a thief. The two young agents surprised to find the man waiting at the penthouse tool though he wears a pale blue bathrobe. He doesn't look like a man who's been up late partying in fact with his silver hair and wrinkles. He doesn't look like a man who's ever up late partying surprisingly he's smooth and collected and simply not when the officials ask if he knows why they're here he's being betrayed by his own sons. After a short chat agents could Shopian Kong allow the thief to dress he chooses expensive clothing from the penthouse closet and agrees to go into the F._B._i.'s offices for questioning the agent pulls out his handcuffs and tells the man to extend stint his arms as the cold metal manacles click around Bernie madoff wrists sixty four point eight billion in dollars vanish forever much of it will never be returned because most of that money money in retirement accounts charity endowments family fortunes never existed in the first place it was to quote made off just one big lie welcome to con artists apart cost original. I'm Alistair maiden every week we peel back the layers of history's greatest deceptions and tell the stories of the hustlers swindlers and fraudsters that orchestrated castrated them. I'll dive into their psychology breakdown that tricks and explain why anyone might full for a con- connaught says seeks to explore cons this from all angles the perpetrator the victim the world they lived in and the thing that forced them to fool O._B.. Now first episode we'll cover the upbringing and early influences of our fraudster will understand what experiences shaped their mindset and historical context then informed their ability to perpetrate their cons in Partu. We'll watch the wheels come off their scheme. As their victims recognized the lie. We'll detail how our subject was eventually caught the fallout and where they are today today. We're beginning the story of Bernie madoff architect of the world's biggest known Ponzi scheme in part one of our investigation. We'll dive into the life of Bernie madoff and try try to understand why a man already inundated with incredible wealth which assigned to orchestrate history's largest financial scam next week impart to we'll follow the S._e._C.'s near misses in a decade long game of cat and mouse and the catalyst that finally brought made off down from the nineteen eighties through two thousand eight having an investment account with Bernie Ernie made off was either a much sought after privilege and up across status symbol or something you're completely in the dark about but everything about these investments investments everything made of created was a complete lie. His downfall left many trusting clients destitute and the weld completely stunned at the magnitude of his deception he stole from celebrities billionaire investors Holocaust survivors athletes and team owners he stole from individuals and charities retirement funds and nest eggs. He stole from his friends. He stole from his family. The web of deceit was so complex that a significant portion of those affected was shocked to learn that they were defacto clients of of medoff's as many as thirty seven thousand people felt the devastating fallout of made offs demise. It was truly the biggest financial scandal in world history. His modus operandi was a fairly standard Ponzi scheme named for Conman Charles Ponzi. A ponzi scheme is a redistribution of wealth hiding behind a fake investment scheme it takes money from new investors and handed to old ones. I meaning that the only way to pay the old investors is to find more and more people to buy into the fraudulent system without a steady stream of new blood. The entire operation goes up in flames. It is a system always on the verge of disaster and and it is completely illegal but he didn't just use this Ponzi scheme to prey on Americans made off stretched his close to Europe South South America even Africa by two thousand eight made of claimed he had sixty eight point four billion dollars in assets under management don't and yet for decades made off was known as a genius called magnetic and reassuring by those who bragged about ultimate the country clubs and charity guards. They likened him to his personal symbol. The bull as in bull market made off decorated rated his office with Bulls to match this perfectly crafted image is what allowed made off to thrive his trademark charismatic charismatic presence and manufactured mystique shrouded him behind an exalted reputation. He was immensely wealthy. He was of high taste he rarely met with clients but the ones that did meet him assured potential customers that investing with Bernie NATO was the closest thing to assure diabet- Wall Street could offer a con artist operates on what people people believe about them more than anything else and Bernie Madoff was tinkering with his public image as soon as he could do business made off was born April twenty ninth nineteen thirty eight in Queens New York Bernie's father Ralph ran a sporting goods store for most of his childhood good but in the nineteen fifties the store went out of business leaving the family in dire straits this failure burned itself in Bernie's mind and he did not under any circumstance wants to ever fail his family in such a way he would do whatever it took to avoid wait the pangs of unstable economic security and would cultivate a life that made failure impossible it was this obsessive quest quest for stability that instigated his relentless pursuit of wealth but it was also why he fell in love at such a young age at Sixteen Bernie mets thirteen year old ruth alpern. He was a son kissed boy scouts and lifeguard. She be a bubbly low rents goal. They married five years later in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine when he was at Hofstra and she was at Queens College most immediately made of turned his attention toward achieving the type of success that would place him among the American economic elite a few weeks off to the wedding adding while still a college senior. He filed the papers to open Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities Aka B. L. M._I._s. like most twentysomethings not something to start their own business made offer light on friends and family to get off the ground. Luckily for him made offs new father-in-law Saul Alpern had his own an accounting firm and began referring his clients friends and family members to Medoff Alpin even gave made off a desk in his office somewhat that's ironically made of first and most important goal was to gain and build the trust of his clients. It came naturally to him. Even at such a young teenage he was charismatic driven outgoing and dedicated to making everyone around him as rich as possible unfortunately eh it was this very penchant for trust that would ultimately push into betray the tens of thousands of people that relied on him made offset investing with a strategy called riskless arbitrage which involve buying stock at one price while having already locked in a sale the same stock at a higher price he was able to buy and sell the same stock simultaneously thanks to the fact that at the time most host major cities had their own stock market according to financial journalists Diana Henry Kes- it's a rule in investment advising to only recommend suitable investments suitability is determined by investors willingness and ability personal circumstances to to take on a certain level of risk. This rule is legally enforced by government regulatory agencies like the Securities and Exchange Commission in the early sixties made off ignored the practice of suitability and put his clients investments into risky speculative new issue stock whether or not they'd be able to handle that amount of risk made of knew this was wrong and knew it was illegal. He did it anyway. His disregard netted made off securities almost thirty thousand dollars in cash by nineteen sixty two after just over two years in business. That's a little over a quarter million dollars today but in May nineteen sixty two the market crashed and just like that almost all of made offs clients suffered serious losses this put bunny at a crossroads that he he would face several times in his life a junction between his pride and the truth but as it did time and again made of ambition and persuasive arrogance knew that if he wanted to reach his goals admitting failure was not an option so he took the cash he had on hand and bought back his clients stocks at the price they invested effectively erasing using the losses because he was trading in the little known little regulated O._T._C. market. None of the clients were any the wiser they I still had their money and kept their investments and good faith in Bernie madoff whether he knew it's not made was laying out the groundwork for what social psychologist Marie Cocco Ver- identifies as the eight steps of the successful con. The first of these steps is finding a victim made of quickly realized that as long as his clients got their money back they weren't liable to ask too many questions the pursuit of money Johny left many to be easily manipulated but this manipulation would have to wait as Bernie's quick fix gave rise to a secondary problem mm-hmm while he had erased his clients losses thereby maintaining their trust he done it at the expense of all his money. There was no no way for him to continue his business and save face except there once Bernie had had married rich and with that came privilege he leveraged his close relationship with his father-in-law Saul Alpern to secure a loan to the tune of thirty thousand thousand dollars according to Medoff alpern loaned him the money and made off repaid him before the end of nineteen sixty four at this point. It seems that it just twenty six years old Bernie madoff had perfected his ability to gain people's trust he'd broken the law deceived his clients taken advantage of a family member and come out all the richer despite escaping this early scare made of still felt as though he had the long road ahead of him because he dealt in smaller markets with smaller clients. The WHO's who of Wall Street still gave him the cold shoulder made of himself admitted to journalists Steve Fishman that this treatment infuriated him as it only seemed to remind him that he was an outcast. Whatever life was like among the bigwigs of Wall Street Bernie wanted it and he would do whatever it took to get there after his father-in-law bail to amounts of a criminal stock trading failure in nineteen sixty two it appears Bernie madoff went legitimate? We say appears because it's unclear exactly when made off Ponzi scheme began both the F._B._i.. And his associate Frank De scally junior believed that the fraud stance it by the late nineteen seventies however no one has definitively proven this accusation so for this time period we have to take the stand in by of innocent until proven guilty but even if he wasn't engaging in crime outright he spent the next decade setting the stage for the greatest assist financial fraud in history through the nineteen sixties and Seventies Bernard L. made off investment securities grew into a robust but still small broker dealer business engaging an actual legitimate market making and proprietary trading each of these was a separate Britt legal arm within the same company B.. L. M._I._S. was soon considered a major market maker in O._T.. Stocks and then on the New York Stock Exchange according to fraud magazine made of S- firm with sometimes responsible for a whopping ten percent of stock volume traded in a single day but it wasn't as if ten percent of investors were working directly with madoff he engaged in payment for order flow this this is a somewhat controversial practice where a small brokerage firm directs their clients orders to a third party to execute the trade often without the client's clients knowledge the third party in this case made off then paid the smaller brokerage firm a fee for directing business to them the the standard fee being a penny per share. This allowed B. L. M. I. S. to execute large orders on the stock market and to quickly expand expand this only accelerated with the arrival of Peter Madoff Bernie's little brother after joining the firm in June one thousand nine hundred sixty nine pizza made off helped create groundbreaking computer trading systems instrumental to the firm success made of securities. I was always at the forefront of technological innovation on Wall Street and that's part of how Bernie's Ponzi scheme was able to thrive according turning to social psychologist Marie Cocco for cons thrive in terms of transition and fast change when new things are happening and the old ways as of looking at the world no longer suffice and in the advent of the computer age the made offs were right in the middle of perhaps the biggest cultural transition the world has ever seen Wall Street's brands new computer systems were right for deceit abuse and misunderstanding thing but at first they actually bolstered the Mehta family's reputation B. L. M._i._S. systems was soon licensed to other market makers and financial financial
John Hughes, Sen. Patrick Leahy, and Boater Safety
"It. From Radio Vermont it's the Dave Graham show on wd. It's your show about the people places and the issues that matter the most of you. Now here's your host Dave Graham. Reminded this Friday, June, the fifth twenty twenty, and we have a good show for you this morning. We'll be speaking first off. With John Hughes Professor Emeritus in Constitutional Law at Saint Michael's College, and of course, a lot of constitutional issues have been raised recently. Can the president of the United States Order? US military troops to go out. And Quell unrest in our cities or is that something that needs to be left to our police departments? We'll get into that a little bit We may ask about whether under the first. Amendment is for miserable for city to. Declare curfew does the right peaceably to assemble in a petition? The government for redress of grievances described in the First Amendment as I'd go away at eight PM. We might talk also a little bit about using a unidentifiable troops of some sort to violently pushback protesters who are piece of peaceably assembled. So that the president can go get picture taken holding a Bible. We'll talk about that as well The second hour, some similar questions by a different person answering them, and that will be a US senator. Patrick Leahy of Vermont. He is a Democrat and has this week been highly sharply critical of the president in several of these areas will hear from Senator Leahy and. Before I described the second. Just want to mention that. Listeners you a welcome to call in and join the conversation if you have. Thoughts that. You don't feel are being reflected here or. Need to be. Entered into the conversation. Don't be shy. We're at two, four, four, one, seven, seven, seven, and one, eight, seven, seven to nine, one, eight, two, five five. Is the toll free number in the second hour of the program? I will say we are going to be getting done with politics and going to boating safety, and my main guest will be Sergeant Trevor Carbo of the remote state police. We're just GonNa talk about things like how to be safe and legal out there on the water as you get out. Your motorboat or sailboat, or Kayaker Canoe or whatever it is a using out there. There are some rules in. Some good advice, and with what looks to be a nice weekend shaping up figured people might do be do for a refresher near the beginning here of buddies boating season in Vermont. All right. Let's get right into it with John. Hughes as I mentioned. He's a professor emeritus of constitutional law in at Saint Michael's college and Professor Hughes thanks very much for joining me this morning. Good Morning. Let's talk first about this question of? Kind of restrictions that run counter to the to the sort of very broad statements made in the First Amendment that we have freedom of speech. Freedom, of assembly freedom of religion there are. are asterisks. Seems. Which? Don't really show up in my in my. Copy of the Constitution, but they do show up in the jurisprudence. Unfolded since document was that document was written, so let's go first to restrictions on assembly because obviously these have been. Really in play in the last couple of weeks. Right. The First Amendment does say that the people have a right to peaceably symbol the petition government for a redress of grievances and what kind of restraints can be put on that depend on if I can quote real estate agents location location location. the courts have a defined number of. locations forums where Mostert activity might take place and. The first one is we call public forum and I'd like to crude just briefly from the Supreme Court decision in Nineteen, thirty, nine called Hegg for CIO. Worth quote streets and parks have immemorially been held in trust for the use of the public and time out of mind have been used for the purposes of assembly, communicating thought between citizens and discussing public issues. There are other forms that the court has identified like limited public forums or designated public forms and not a public forum. We don't have to go there because you'll notice it, says streets and parks, and now it into that sidewalks. This is the quintessential. Public Forum. And any restriction on speech activities in Public Forum has to meet. Excuse me a very high level of justification. Forgive me for a little inside baseball here, but there are several levels of judicial review that courts use, and when it comes to restraints on speech activities in the Public Forum It has to satisfy what the court close strict scrutiny. what that means is that first of all the government has to be pursuing a compelling government interest, not just a reasonable, one or desirable one, but one of really enhanced importance. and the The restraint has to be narrowly tailored to meet that compelling interest without unduly impinging on other speech activities, and of course it goes without saying that the regulation has to be content neutral, and we cannot discriminate among speakers as to what they're saying. So in a park of that's her first amendment rights to together and to to demonstrate if you will are are at their maximum. And from your recollection of the facts Monday evening when the president had famous photo opportunity of holding the Bible in front of the Church after these. After. Many, people decide is an unidentifiable troops or law, enforcement personnel or heavily-armored. Folks were out there violently clearing. These people peaceful protesters from the area from the park from the streets. Around the White House. I? See a problem here. Yeah first of all the entered identifiable police We don't have secret police in this country our police. Officers are identifiable. They wear badge. It has the number and if they are if their identity is hidden, basically, that's permission for them to act with impunity, because if you cannot identify the violator than the violation didn't occur. And so I find the idea of unidentified police highly disturbing, and and I don't know how many there were at at Lafayette Park. I've heard stories about it. what we do know. Is that without much warning? They suddenly fired. Tear gas rubber bullets than concussion grenades into the crowd that had been peaceful up until then. and so that's that does not strike me as consistent with the first. Amendment to tell all sides of the story. Here I'm sorry. Let me interrupt for a moment and just just just tell all sides of the story here, Kaley mechanism the white. House press secretary made a statement in the last couple of days saying that. Some of these specific weapons on that list the concussion. I don't know I. Don't recall what she said about concussion grenades, but said it was not tear gas. It was apparently she said some other kind of chemical, irritant or something that. The media of course the the the fake news mainstream media got it wrong. That's the argument from the White House. But does that doesn't really change the overall arc of this story, does it? Always weapon was used. You can call it whatever you want I think the playing working here. The fire and gas that was an irritant. That was admitted irritates the eyes, the nose, the throat of the lungs sounds like tear guests to me now it may not be technically teargas. Highly inelegant. And everyone. Everyone saw the video of people. In clouds of something rubbing their faces an is. Taking down there, covid nineteen masks and Of course. Imposing more danger on themselves as a result of this police action by by virtue of that and. So. I just So now now we have this violent violence introduced into the scene by. Some type of law enforcement people. And so these these protesters are basically driven off and prevented from their peaceful emily to petition the government for redress of grievances is. Is that a violation of their constitutional rights. It sounds like to me, This would have to be sold by a court. And as this morning, lawsuits have already been filed by the District of Columbia Ucla. Lawyers Committees on behalf of I think four or five protesters. And the black lives matter movement, and it probably will be others and then Bill Bar Donald Trump and the secretary of defense as descendants. Now how far those suits will go I. Don't know I'm not an attorney I'M GONNA guess that they're looking for declaratory judgment, and possibly an injunction against the repetition of the and maybe compensation for people who were injured But it, it doesn't sound to me like this was narrowly tailored to meet a compelling. Government interest. Well attorney-general bar is out with Stevens now, saying that the White House wanted to push the perimeter back by. A by a block. I guess there was some severe weather justified or not because. About a week ago or so, the president spent a little bit of time. In the security bunker underneath the White House, got some some ridicule for that on twitter, and he later said he was just inspecting the. Security bunker so again I i. try to give as much as I can all sides of the story here. Because maybe it was just a maybe maybe it had a long-term. long-term plan inspection of of the security bunker. Just go down and see what it looked like. Who knows. But the the the president The president was was clearly I think concerned about people demonstrating anywhere near the White House I guess and so they wanted to. This is a this the narrative now presented by attorney. General Barr says they wanted to push the security perimeter. Back a block and that that was that was what that operation on Monday really was about. Now, it happened that minutes after that operation was conducted again you know with quite a lot of force and violence, and and actually you know rubber, rubber, bullets, or pepper, balls, or tear gas, or some other chemical, irritant or whatever? The the president appeared in walked over to the church there where people had been demonstrating. Short time before and. So, do you do does? Does the attorney-general's narrative sound credible to you? Well, the demonstration was not on White House grounds. The White House was secure Lafayette, Park is the place where demonstrations frequently occur I guess it's unfortunate that it's between the White House and the Church that the president trump wanted to use for a photo op. but I I. Don't find it credible at all. Speaking of using a church for photo, OP, let me let me ask you just for a moment about. You know we used to talk about years ago and maybe this is all out the window now with the rise of the Christian right in their increasing dominance in American politics, but We talk about a separation of church and state in the In in the in our country, of course, we also have these national prayer breakfast and all sorts of. What could could be. It could be construed by some people as entanglements of government and religion. Was this. Was this the right symbolism on that front? It may have been before president trump's base I think I think it rather handed. I think he's been. Widely mocked and criticized for a poorly thought out photo up, but is certainly not the first president to invoke. Religion as as a source of. Legitimacy or support. we have to understand the first amendment. Does separate church and state it. Demands Neutrality towards religion and neutrality is not hostility and president of course can. Attend Church services the Congress opens with an invitation every day so. Religion and politics are not completely separated. But, yeah, that was the that was kind of crude and particularly when it was done without the. Permission of the Church. Well, that was my next question is did the president basically impose himself on this religious community whose bishop ended up saying he was not invited, they didn't. They didn't as the Bishop. Would it even get a courtesy call? And, and basically the the appearance by the president caused great great strife at the church. Sidewalk, which is also Public Forum and and so you know he wasn't going into the church but clearly he was trying to show up. The church has a simple. It seems. Incongruous, that he would just have random happened to be there. Yeah I, don't buy the secretary. Argument. He didn't know that they were going to the church I. Mean he could clearly see. Churches on the other side of the park. He could see where they were going. The Secretary of Defense I. I was actually surprised by that normally when? You know the chief person of the US military goes out on any. Any kind of emission he. Knows where he's going right. I don't mean to. You is got here, but man. Oh Man! some of this stuff is. Let's see my doing a bombing run in country extra country. Why and oh now going across the street to a what? Yikes Holy. Not Wholly. Maybe I don't know. Anyway two, four, one, seven, seven seven is the call in number here on the day Graham. Show on WD FM and am. Our local number in Waterbury the toll, free number, one, eight, seven, seven to nine, one, eight, two, five, five, and. So John Hughes let me let me shift the focus here. Somebody somebody suggested yesterday focused too much on president trump and it's of tough sometimes because he is our president, presidents traditionally have been kind of the leading newsmaker in the country. We News Analysis on this program and so Jesus in the news every day. That's kind of way. The cookie crumbles but I'm happy to. Ask you questions as well about cities. Perhaps. Have Democrats for mayors including New York where this week on some evenings they were declaring an eighty eight PM curfew. I did want to get into this with you because. You know the time manner and place restrictions on the first. Amendment that showed up in some of the jurisprudence. Maybe they apply here but again. These people are a lot of them. Were there peaceably to assemble? I love that unspent infinitive by the way I. I Never WanNa say to peaceably sample, but anyway that's just my old copy editor coming out. Peaceably to sample the petition, their government for a redress of grievances and the The. You know the police are are reacting by arresting them. Even. So I guess that's my question is. Does that part of the First Amendment disappeared ATM? Yeah that's troubling and I admit I don't know what the status of curfews are. They would appear to be content neutral I. Don't know if they're narrowly tailored to a compelling government interest. It seems to me that clearly there was lawbreaking, going on, there was looting. There was violence. Those people can be dealt with separately. I think you can deal with them. with a scalpel, not a sledge, hammer and so curfews are are disturbing, but I I really don't know without looking things up. I don't know if there's any case on on curfews. I know they've been passed? Yeah they have, and whether that's a trend that should grow or shrink in a country that On free expression. Is. I think it's an open question one which? I'M NOT GONNA I'M NOT GONNA. Take sides on it right now, but I like to ask the question and I think it's worthwhile for sure. Let's see. Let's go to listeners checking in Jeff from West. BRAINTREE Good Morning Jeff You've been talking about the trump deal there where he went to the church. those people were asked to move and they wouldn't do it. Now. This black lives matter deal. You've been glorifying these guys. And these this black lives matter outfit is nothing but a bunch of eggs. All, they care about they WANNA get rid of cops. They've stated so they in their signs that they hold up. And they WANNA defend the cops. They WANNA. Let people out of jail because they want mob rule. They want to be able to do what they want. When they want and they want to do it by force if they were so interested in preserving black lives. Why aren't they complaining about the murders of their own by their own in cities? Like Chicago Baltimore and others were up to a dozen. People are dozen black folks killed. At night. By other other black folks. Those lies I guess don't matter so much. You never hear anything about those. And another thing is over in Saint John's Berry yesterday. They were asked to. US They were. They wanted to assemble and they were asked to stay off the sidewalk. They were asked not block the doors, and that's exactly what ended up happening I watched the video time and time again, and they got in there, and the police chief said what happened in which was they were stopping on their feet. They were elbowing him and this one gal. She claimed she was not down I did not see that she fell backwards. And when you fall backwards on set of stairs, you go downhill. And that's what happened. She shouldn't have been there anyway because she was asked not to be there. So this black lives el-feth. They they. They are total bunch of thugs. And if they like I said if they were interested in peaceful assemblies, they wouldn't be smashing up our cities. They have they have killed their own. They've killed Jeff Using A. Everybody flies a black lives. Matter flag or banner has like black lives. Matter is a thug. Support Matt outfit. That's that's a Dutch the work of the devil. No I don't work. That is a terrible thing to fly the black lives matter because they have no, they are not interested in saving black lives. They're interested in mob. Rule when it gets right down to it. That's really what is going on. They've proved this in the media's in which you're involved with. The media are too cowardly to call him out on what they really are. which is thugs? And they've they've. They've smashed up businesses. They've they've yesterday I saw on a video where these young ladies were scraping off. Jeff out of one hundred black lives matter activists. How many how many how many are you think are guilty crimes. You know if you wanted to do a per capita. Out of hundreds thousands, you work on your arithmetic boyfriend. You can't have thousands out of one hundred I. Don't know if you knew that from four spring. The country all through these big cities, where these bands of people have trips down through the city's my friend and smashed up. Cars smashed buildings torn down. Stuff stolen stuff there in. They're literally dragging out. Stop and another thing is he, Jeff? You've had enough things I'M GONNA get I'm GonNa get you off by Jeff? Folks that is that is gonNA. Say That's borderline. In fact over the border of incivility here on a day, Graham Show wd FM and am. If I I really urge against people describing almost any large group in in derogatory terms. Because you're you're charge the derogatory charge almost in fact not. I won't say always always misses the target on at least some members of that group and so. It's it's over generalizing, and it's really it's. It's really unfortunate. I don't know whether. Whether, I mean I've seen some stuff online recently about how this? How people who identify with antiques. are allegedly all radical leftists, thugs or something? Also I've tried to explain to people that to my knowledge, and actually is more of a kind of a political stance than it is any organized group, but that is that's directed. It isn't a group. At most the social movement is actually more of a slogan that you think. In fact I'm going to say right here. I think that presentation. There was just so bad that I'm going to say We're not going to be taking any more calls from Jeff from braintree. He can call my management if he doesn't like that idea, but. But? We're we're we're going to? We're going to we're going to. We're going to say Jeff you know. Get a life, my friend so there we go anyway back to my guest John Hughes and again I say I've tried to say. Two and a half years. I've been do the show I. Welcome all views on the day Graham Show! But some are just when people start fleeing insults. Making these group generalization is like that. That is. That's that's beyond the Pale and We're we'RE NOT GONNA. Put Up with that, so civility is important here. Especially in these times. Frankly, the country has a lot of tension going on. And I don't want to. Be Out there and flaming anybody, or whatever so there we go. and I really regret know I regret. Frankly I know Jeff has very strong conservative views and I regret that it happens to be the conservative here. WHO's just been banned from the show, but? That's kind of the way the cookie crumbles. We're doing the best we can anyway. John Hughes. Let me ask you. Back to our conversation about this event Monday evening, so if these. If these demonstrators, protesters, constitutional rights were violated. Could A. A complaint be made that the president of the United States was actually violating his oath of office to uphold and defend the constitution. Certainly as political criticism. Yes, I could rise to the level of an abuse of power maybe for more impeachment proceedings. Well I don't think they're going to try impeachment again. Yeah, it's it's certainly. The president. Does have an injunction in article to to see that the laws fitfully executed and means the constitution as well. He takes a nose to the to the support cost. and. the last thing president should be doing is Really inflaming violations of of the Constitution the president should be. more of a uniter and a healer, and and not a provocateur. But that's what president trump thrives on for better or worse, he's He likes to appeal to base. And he will do it in. The most inflammatory language shake find. John uses a professor emeritus of constitutional law at Saint Michael's College. He's been my guest this morning. 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My guest is us, Senator Patrick. Layhee think most reminders know him. He's been around for a little while, and he has been making some quite a strong statements this week, About the situation going on with the the. Police killing in in Minneapolis of George Floyd and the reactions to it and the reactions to the reactions CETERA. Senator Lahey. Thank you so much for joining me this morning. Well, thank you. It's good to be with you. I'm glad you've got. Washington type weather in the. Waterbury Montemayor. Terry. I. I think it's going to be a little humid today, so Washington whether it might be. The case, but that's okay. We we will. We'll take it and. In fact I was just remarking earlier in the program. This is the first time. I am broadcasting from my porch today and my only concern was ambient. Noise I hear a lawnmower in the neighborhood, but it's distant enough, I? Don't think it's bothering our listeners, so we should be okay. I Love City on on the front porch of our home in Middlesex and just let you down over the valleys, and I haven't been homesick because. I've been stuck in Washington. Yeah. Quarantines and everything else. Yeah senator we! We gotta talk about some of what's been going on in Washington and. You came up with a very strong statement, critical of a couple of things that have been brought about by the trump administration recently among them. This discussion and now in the capital district, use of of basically of of troops in. In in trying to patrol domestic protests. Tell us about the history of that because you made a remark indicating that you know some of that history and that there is a. This is not unprecedented, but it. It's worrisome. I guess is the best way I think I would some up your concerns about? The only time when you've seen troops, really commit is when there's GonNa request from the. From the state for example the. La Riots. but There's absolutely no need for it here this this was done as a total photo-op. I one of the most beautiful spots in A. In. Devastation democracy is the Lincoln Memorial. In Washington. Were you see yesterday day before? Every single step lined up with troops INFO battlegear. This is this is where Martin Luther King gave his. I have a dream speech. This is a place where. I remember in. My parents were with US breaking them down to see as? Our children, our friends sister, my brother and others. Just to see this is democracy now. They made it look like it was something. In dictatorship. and. So much of this has come because the president wanted to. Show what he thought was straight. He's talking about this. What we do with military well. Here's a man who. dodge the draft. Five Times does not have an understanding of what the military stands for. and. We do not need the military when you're having a peaceful demonstrations. And I think what's happened. One of the reasons they've. Raised the curfew and What is a curfew in several places? is they know the enforcement curfews causes more trouble. Than otherwise. But. What the president was showing. Is that. I don't care the grievances are he'll point to? The people broke the law and there were those they should be arrested. They should be charged I, mean the. Ban Lists and things like that, but the vast majority of people. Were there to show. That if there is a murder. Of A man by police officer? And with three other police officers stay by complicit. Of course go to demonstrate, and when the President says. We've gotTA have. Do Everything. You can have the military clear these people out. Because he wants to go and do photo-op in front of a church. Already a Bible which he's never read. On inserted certainly doesn't fall. and. For four in the meantime people are. Injured and The military made. To do as in not supposed to do this is wrong. Well I wanted to ask you about that Monday. Evening Confrontation and laughing at square. It sounds like you thought that these protesters would have a right under the First Amendment peaceably to assemble petition the government for a redress of grievances to use the words of that amendment. Is there any credible evidence reports that they were doing something different from that at that time. You know there is. We do know that some parts around the country. There was vandalism and I think the. Please taking steps against those who? COMMITTED VANDALISM But, not all these these people were protesting peacefully and the episcopal bishop. I made a period very strong statement against the president's use of a of a photo op. He. Wanted to here's where I WANNA go to church, he doesn't go to church. Everybody knows he doesn't go to church. Everybody knows he's never. Read the Bible one couple ties we tried to. Quotes from the Bible is gotten it wrong To! To stop these protests to do a photo, op, I don't care if you're a republican or Democrat. That is absolutely wrong. I was hoping he'd drop the Bible accidentally. Sort of open to the page that says blessed be the Peacemakers from yeah well. He he was that was. That was false Bible. False by false gospel. Okay. Getting back to these questions here because I don't know how much time you have, but I do WanNa. Get to them so when the president ordered the area cleared and in condone the use of force with the use of now, this is a dispute which exact weapons were used, but I don't think it makes a difference you know. Was it chemical balls or was a tear gas, or was it some other chemical irritant? Was it? Was it a rubber, bullets or bean bags or who knows? But clearly there were these weapons used in an act of violence by. Law Enforcement Slash military people to drive the peaceful demonstrators out of the area, and when that happened when that act occurred that violate the protesters first amendment rights. I believe that because you have a right to. Peacefully Assemble to seek redress view government. This is. This is what sets US apart from dictatorships. In their ships when people try to protests. Like this as we've seen in. countries around the world. The police, the military come in arrested demonstrators dispersed them. We've. Seen! This in in Iran and north. Korea China Egypt the Arab spring famous. In others. This is America. This is America. I mean I grew up in Montier. I remember the number ties. People would march. To the State House. Someone one position someone the other. Said yeah boy weaver monitors know how to say what's on our mind. Well, that's what these people are doing. We Americans. We Americans are trying to say what's on our mind. We should be allowed to do it. We're not a dictatorship. I hope okay, so if the president or his agents violated the protesters constitutional rights. And I'm saying if I'm not taking a position position myself. I'm trying to be neutral turtle here. But if that happened, did the president violate his oath to uphold and defend the constitution. The argument can be made that he had a, was it. The argument will be made I don't know. I think you're going to find. This display will be a tipping point. In the in the election this fall. Could be new grounds could be new grounds to commence or resume. Impeachment proceedings possibly with a new count of abuse of power. Technically, that could be argued. Of course it'd be up to the house. I doubt very much that they would and. Mitch McConnell would not allow to come to trial in the in the Senate because a moot point. What I think we have to say. Listen. There's been. We've looked we've listened to. falsehoods and everything else that the president said over and over and over again. The one thing that we usually find Republicans and Democrats united on. Wanted our our military to be. Independent to follow the law to protect America. And the president was so far over the line. June trying to politicize the military. That, you have people general. Mattis has been secretary as highly decorated combat marine. and. He? came out with very very strong statement fact I. Spoke about it on the floor of the Senate. Jesse statement of the record and Admiral Mike Mullen. Who'd been the chairman of the Joint Chiefs again. Highly respected highly decorate. He spoke out and when I call them at home afterward. He said. He tries never say so critical any president. This was so far over the line. He felt that he really believed in the constitution. He had to speak out now. This. This should send alarm in people's minds. I don't care whether you're Republican or a Democrat. If president feels, they can use the military for a political purpose. that's gone beyond anything. This country seen in my lifetime. And I've been there with Republicans and Democrats president. I I'll give you another thing that comes to my mind. Here you have this. Murder Of. Floyd I I was a prosecutor for eight years I. I looked at those videos. There's no question. I would have brought murder charges in in that case. But. It's obvious that. so much of the country was torn apart by it. Now in the past with President again both prizes. Something like this happens. They come as the consoler in chief think of Ronald Reagan after the. After the. Space shuttle blew up and when he's spoke to. A grieving nation or after the? Oklahoma City bombing. Bill Clinton going out there or George Bush after nine eleven. Lincoln arms with Republicans Democrats on the. Steps of the Capitol and Brock Obama. The church. Reading over the murder, the number of. A quietly seems amazing grace bringing the country together. That's what you do at a time like this. You don't go into. This is hurting my poll. Something find out I was down in the. Secure Basement. We've got to do such show. I'm strong and then having the military. Set up a photo op. Of A man, holding a Bible in front of a church, and then going before another one. The next day this man doesn't go to church is. This is a man who's never read the Bible. This is a man. who uses this just for politics and I think that was so far over the line. That's why you're now hearing Republicans. Speaking out. Before they were in the Senate just quietly. In the corker now this publicly. Boy that's. I I I gather. You may be a little reticent about. Two, pointed criticisms at your at your fellow senators. Lisa Murkowski just one example Republican of Alaska. In the last twenty four hours has been taking a lot of heat online along the lines of you know she seems to be having. Some softening of her support for the president, and there's a lot of snark out there. Basically saying you know, you think. You're late to the party and and She's been much. I. I I went and saw her yesterday and just to. Say we've always been friends. her. Father served in the. In the Senate then her father and mother of friends ourselves in mind. Lisa. Join as the. Senior Republicans on that delegation I brought to Vietnam where we use the. Lady War Victims Fund something. That's how to improve relations between our countries. As she came. With us, she's a thoughtful. person. And I went to and said. You know as power vern. And Sawn! We've always been been friends. And she said I It's not worth. Saying. I can be silenced, so I can get real like. Yeah I guess. I mean this is this is. A tough thing to go against the leader of your party, the president of your party. These however are extraordinary times and and win. Again I've tried to explain to people on the show here that I do this on the basis of ideology, it's not because I consider myself a strong Democrat or a strong Republican. It's really all my criticisms. The president, which have been pretty sharp at times and draw a lot of complaints frankly from. More conservative listeners. You know I. I think I have based. Complaint Mike Criticisms mainly on behavior, mainly on you know when when a president comes out and tells four Congress women of Color that they should quote unquote. Go back where they came from. Allergy that is really really problematic. You know it'd be. It rings a bell, and sounds an echo of some very racist things that have been said in in in our country over the over the centuries. And when he when he talks about Henry Ford, the famous Anti Semite and Nazi sympathizer, having good bloodlines again. Just the language you know blood purity was a huge thing with the Nazis. SORTA have to emissions up and take notice. You lutely shoot I. Mean that Well I look at the. The dignity of John Lewis Congressman John Lewis. And Talk to him later today. In speaking how we should resist, saying we should stand for the constitution, which is have the rights of all people. And when Congressman Lewis came to Burlington And spoke there a few months ago at the. Flint Theater. We we had two. Extra. Tyson to speak because these overwhelming. The number of Vermont irs want to come in. Hear him speak in. These were for monitors I. I knew a number of them. They went across the political spectrum? It'd be our stated predominantly white. Audience. And they wanted to hear what he said about people's rights. Everybody I think it was one of the most moving things is seen. In all my years in Vermont. Having him speak now. I I've been in. Meetings both public and in many private with. Every president, since I've been there Republicans and Democrats when there's been questions like this. and. Republican! And Democrat said how we bring the country together. And they've had. In some of these as with other senators who go across the. Political Spectrum. Is it how everybody's saying? How do we bring the country together? In this case, we know now. That what trump say, this is hurting me in the polls. is bad enough. I got hurt by cove. It they responded so poorly. We! GotTa saw strong Ham the IM, the law and order. President That's not. So people bring people together. Senator we have a couple of listeners on the line. They're still there I've been neglecting. Apologize folks. Wound up. Yeah, well, you know. We get it conversation. I. Know I know it's a it's A. It's a common thing, but let's go to Doug and Ismailia Good Morning Doug. Not Too bad a I keep hearing about. This was all a photo-op wondering if you listen to. Bill Byers News Conference yesterday explaining what happened. Well I I listen to along with a number of other. Senators both Republicans and Democrats in the Senate Judiciary Committee all of us know him and all of us said. What are you talking about? I didn't. Buys Explanation Senator. Well I didn't hear a single Republican or Democrat. Say they. They agreed with them. They thought it was wrong. For the Attorney General to be there helping to arrange a a photo op there's wrong for the attorney general. To be there in? In trying to carry out the political wishes. Of the president the Attorney General is supposed to be. outside that is he's supposed to be the attorney general of the United States not attorney general. The president is different than most other cabinet. Officials and there was a there was not. A positive reaction by anybody Republican or Democrat knew we went across the political spectrum. If you look at that. The Judiciary Committee. Doug anything else. Well! You know there. Hundreds of secret service and other agents injured the night before the night before that. Would make sense that they. Know. The secret service agents. No, you did have the tweet from the. President saying that they were going to have ominous weapons. And the most vicious. and. Secret Service One. Put, the young people in the front to so they could. They could Learn to fight all these people. And and the Secret Service. Very quietly all that's that that never happened and I think there's a difference between the president tweets out and what's happened. Now. Again I spent eight years in law enforcement before I was in the Senate. I. Don't WanNa see any. Police officer or law enforcement person. Who is doing their job the way they're supposed to to be injured or to be hurt it's same position. When I was state's attorney. I take it now. But the case was. Secret Service. Is there to protect the. White House that's why they put him down in the bunker. One point something, he later denied even though they did for them down there. they're not there to do political photo op. I don't think it was a photo op. They were moving the parameter to back and that was in place before you went over. you, you go to different different view of it than the Than those of reported to the. Objectively to to the Senate Judiciary Committee. the police their report Is that not some? Or and pat you had A. Da, who should not have been there and they now that? This? One day you just watch the Watch the videos. This was a peaceful protests sudden there's. These smoke canisters go forever. They were there are obviously causing people have. Sight problems you had. Medevac helicopter. Pilot over everybody's what does that do it here and all they had to do. was say look. The president wants to come over and set it up and it would have been done the way this was done. Nobody. Nobody. Republican or Democrat, say yeah, this is done, right. Let me, let me go to another caller here. Thanks for the call Doug. Let's go to mark in Middlesex. Make it quick because we're almost out of time mark sorry. Boys are just up your place. The moving some would up. Their mark on broke road. my question is with This posse comitatus. It was. TAKEN OUT! Of Our law. What. Possible. Repercussions or You. Know liberties is. A posse comitatus. What do you know about that senator? Posse cover titus. says that. Fat. That the. Military is not as police officers in our in our country. Defend US. Enemies abroad not to be a police force here. That is so that we don't fall into the same category. Some of these dictatorships around the world. There is the use of the Insurrection Act which would require the Congress to react would and This Saying that we're GONNA have the military coming in. And be police force. That would be a total violation of Posse comitatus. Alright well. Senator Patrick Layhee has been my guests I. Thank you very much for joining me this morning. We are about out of time, but really appreciate you taking some time with us and Have yourself a good weekend. We'll talk to you. Talk to you soon. Thank you very much? Already. Let's go to a top of the hour. Break from CBS News. Some words for sponsors. Bob Nail will be joining us as he does on. Fridays and we'll be talking about boating safety. The nights call topic. I hope in the next hour. Forget yet, folks. WE'RE OPENING UPSTAIRS AT THE WARREN STORE FOLLOWING CDC guidelines. We will allow three people at a time from ten to four Friday, Saturday and Sunday and eleven to three Monday and Thursday until further notice, or you can email, Lori l.. O. R. I.. AT WARREN STORE DOT COM to make an appointment. There's lots of great summer clothing fifty percent off outside and new spring merchandise upstairs. Please wear a mask. We have disposables and we will be selling organic wired ones from product think-tank. We'd love to see you stay safe mainstreet, Warren village. It's the Dave. Ramsey show on wd. We are back and. We're going to be talking just a moment or so I think Bob Ney. He's one of our national correspondent. Real. Start on the Bram show here in Wd FM and am Bob's and interesting guy. Former Republican congressman from Ohio got kind of self in the little trouble in a of trouble in the Jack Abramov. Lobbying scandal back in the. Almost twenty years ago actually. Ended up doing a little bit of time in the federal pokey he so he's easing life in America from high up and member of Congress lowdown federal inmate, and has some very interesting perspectives. I think that he brings to the brings Dave Graham Show where we're always really really pleased to have bob be. Continuing member of our team here he joins us on Friday. Mornings for the national perspective. We like to like to apply here just after the midpoint of the show when we do that ten o'clock CBS News and then bring in. Lately we've also been going leaning on some of our CBS news correspondents who are willing to get on the phone with US individually. That's pretty cool and axios has been helping out there great too so optics is turn today and I believe he's on the phone with us now good Morning Bob Ney. Good, morning Dave. How are you? I'm doing well. How are you? Hanging in or watching the world, rupaul. Man Oh man the world is. Congressman Peter Welch from Vermont on the show earlier this weekend. This reminded me of this book I read back in Highschool Goal Future, shock by Alvin Toffler, although events. We're GONNA. We're going to start in chronicle chronologically coming closer together and overlapping. Etcetera Etcetera and on Monday I was reminded because the guardsmen and I were talking about how you know, he said well nine, thousand, nine, hundred, eighteen was a terrible year for America with the Spanish flu, pandemic and Nineteen, twenty nine was a really tough year with that economic downturn through the Great Depression. The nine, hundred, sixty eight, was a difficult year for the nation with all the civil unrest connected with and frankly a lot of police brutality that year. Connected with. Both with the civil rights protests also with the antiwar protests and the Democratic convention I recall that you're so a lot of civil unrest. Twenty twenty. We've got pandemic like nine hundred eighteen economic crash as a result of the pandemic nineteen twenty nine. And we've got civil unrest. All in one year. What are we doing free? You forgot killer, Bees and asteroid. Man That's. I mean. I wouldn't be shocked at this point. You know what the heck is going on here. Exactly exactly tough tough time. Yeah. So. What is your out of all of this? What do you? What do you got your lead headline today? Well I mean there's so many lead headline. I mean. If you look around the world, discordant international I lead. Headline is the thirty first anniversary of Tiananmen Square massacre. Obviously ten thousand people were s occurred thirty one years ago, and of course there's nineteen eighty-nine Nine Yeah Yup right in Hong Kong and Taiwan for this That's the international side, and then there's a a basically a prisoner swap, although we're not admitting it with one of our American citizens, coming out of Iran and one of the Iranian scientists going back to Iran, so, but they're not admitting. It's a swap, but it's swap. That's that's face it. But you know the story. Of course. pond the memorial of George Floyd on the heels of of that remembering. You know how this all started. The you know, the spark floyd and his life was commemorated yesterday. Remember yesterday, but also everything and the aftermath out of it, but if you ask me to pick kind of the top story, because there's so much going on around the country and nice protests, not so nice protests, and in between you know etc, and arguments about issues, and how we solve this on top of it I think. The story that if you could just pinpoint, the headline is the president. The military and WHO MOVES NEXT And I say that because. Turn General. Bar has come out and said well. He cleared out the protesters down at Lafayette. Park when the president did the you know Bible in front of the Church Dave as you know. My question would be is since when does he attorney general? Make a phone call and tell people to get rid of protesters. I mean she could service jurisdiction. You know on that issue. In the military cop trumper flew low now. Our Secretary of Defense ash is is actually looking into why that chopper flew low. Who ordered that? And then the congress is looking into. You know some of the military issues, but I picked out his personal headline because. I think you've got you know. States have either handled it. You know okay or bad or whatever and police departments of handled things, okay or bad, or whatever you know that can be analyzed and dealt with and people can have opinions. There's a new mix here. The president is states saying about you know. He's going to send troops into states that he doesn't think you're doing the job, and I'll tell you what I'm seeing and hearing not from the top brass, but from people I've known for years and military military's becoming very nervous and very uncomfortable with this. I I that's that's the impression I get from the reports I read in in reliable. Media coverage out there and you know. I mean it's it's so weird. Because in the past I remember you know growing up in the seventies and eighties, we'd year about revolutions and other stuff happening. In Latin America and so on, and and you know sometimes the question would come up with okay. The dictator wants to do such and such. Is the military going to be with him? ETC and too often that was that was the case, and there were bad axe going on Horrible stuff happening at the behest of the dictator in carried out by the military, occasionally you'd have you know rifts developing and and the United States which then was trying to be you know a force for stability and democracy, and so on in some of these places. Was was was basically rooting for the rift right? You know the the divide between between the despot in the military And I, it just I've never really understood or I never really expected that we'd be having. Similar. We have foreign correspondents working in our country right now for for you know legitimate journalistic enterprises in all over Europe and Israel Australia. ETC and they are writing stories about this. Like this rather about us. Right correct I find that to be really frankly not not a not a welcome development I. Just I find that to be extremely scary. And I and I. do think that when that becomes the possibility then. You really have to start to say. Well the other question always comes up with these other countries that are very poorly run and not really stable democracies. Are they going to be able to administer? A free and fair election, right? And What do you? What do you think? Are you worried about? Are you worried about the overall? Conduct are coming election. Are we going to see any kind of you know really serious. Tampering with it, or you know I mean political commentator and sometimes comedian Bill Maher's out there, saying he thinks that, even if the president is trounced in the election, he he's going to refuse to leave, and then and then I guess you have to try to gain that out and say what would happen. Would there actually be you know? Some troops under command entering the State House to remove him or the White House. That that would happen because I wouldn't be a military coup, but I think the military would not tolerate you know going against what the election system as sad and I just I mean I hope it never gets down to that. You know who knows, but as far as the free and fair elections. You know we've done fairly good congressman Steny Hoyer the number two. Democratic member in the House right right after Speaker Pelosi instead heuer Ted Ted Kennedy and I I'm pretty safe and sane. Most of your northeastern legislators voted for an act that steny and I it to make sure that elections were. Were you know fair and every you know every vote could be counted and make sure that people weren't turned away, but make sure that there was no fraud and its function quite well, so you know. Having kind of a vested interest in the Lakeville that that. Any created the idea to do at that time. I'm looking at this and there's a elections commission I. Surely hope that they get their expertise as possible and also. Where this could throw a big curve I think. Is If. Somebody decides to postpone the election. Now we can argue about mail-in ballots and line going in person voter whatever if somebody tries to move that election? I think that would just. Scare a lot of people in this country big type. And and. Let's say they wanted to vote out whoever was made the decision to move the election. They wouldn't really be able to do that if the election were postponed correct. Or that's right, you know. He had postponed the elections by our health director. Not Actually the governor will own that, even though people always good job that has left a taste. You know the bitterness and a lot of people's mouths of her. Doing it herself so I think we'll be primary. Yes Hi. Oh, primary, and in I can safely say both sides were a little bit upset about you know how it was done, not that it was done to postponed is much how? But a federal election. How on Earth could you postpone or move a federal election so I would say yeah, if if they try to move it. And then what do you do? How do you steeple? That wanted to move it? I just can't imagine how that would go down. I think that would make total chaos in the United States. Can Mail in ballots. Work I mean I. See complaints from some Republicans in particular. who think there's just a lot of security issues when you When you have people voting in their own kitchens or whatever? Well, I mean I think we have to look at. The fact of what we have had in states, our history of absentee ballots now people tell me what Bob that's different. Well, it's really not you. You get a ballot and if I'm in. My Mom and dad you know are sitting down and filling out their ballots you, do they fill it out or do they seek advice from somebody in the house? I mean who knows that's their right to seek advice from somebody in the House and If somebody has passed away, there's ways to find out that that that ballot doesn't count. Alright Bob Ney. Guy Move along, but I appreciate you taking the time with us this morning. It's always good chatting with you again soon. Last week we had a discussion about. With a couple of people from the Department of fish and wildlife about sort of boat launch ethics who who's next in line? How to be polite and deferential toward one another when you're getting your boats in and out of the water. Etc Etc then the credit me. I said we didn't really cover the whole question of so. How about when you're out on the water? There definitely some rules, you maybe more stringent rules. Not many roles really apply to that vote was seen, but but the the there are rules out on the water, and I said I should actually pursue this whole boating thing a little more thoroughly especially this time of year. You know we're just getting into the season now. You go out to your local lakes and ponds and someone and there's a lot of people out there wanting to Kayak and motor, boat and sail and canoe, and all the rest of it and so I called. The Vermont State police in and they said. Do you have somebody who oversees boating safety there and can kind of fill us in on what some of the rules and the laws are and at Cetera and. They said yes, we do. We have certain Trevor Carbo and so Trevor Carbos my guest this morning and sergeant. Thank you very much for joining me. MORNING, Dave! How are you? I'm doing well. How are you? I'm good, thanks. Excellent and so let's let's talk a little bit about this. The Obviously you know everyone wants? To people to be able to enjoy Vermont's waterways lakes. Ponds Cetera the and also everyone wants people to be safe and and. Careful enough to be safe and the. But every year it seems we lose a few people in boating accidents and I'm wondering. Is there sort of an annual average of how many drownings occur and boating accidents in Vermont? Unfortunate Dave. I'd like to say the last twenty years for you know. Knock on. Wood has been fairly fortunate although. You know any life is too many lives to lose out on the waterways We don't see a whole lot each year we average somewhere around two or three. a coincidentally unfortunately, the last year we lost high of five, we had five boats drownings. In Vermont last year. That doesn't that does not include you know swimming drownings right? This is strictly anything. It's attached to a boat incident. Break. Is there any? Any sort of I mean. Maybe the stats are too small. Really even ask this question but I'm gonNA. Try Anyway. Is there any commonality anything that is? That is a trait that is. Similar between say these five incidents that. That really tells you. This should be highlighted as a thing not to do. Yeah unfortunately one of the biggest. And most glaring issues, and yet some of the easiest assault, or just a lack of. Life Jacket wearing those that been have lost their lives out here. very few that have drowned were wearing life jackets. I see and And and You. The rule of fiery call. It is that you are supposed to have on board. The vessel Anne number number of life jackets equal to the number of people on the vessel, and that if anyone is thirteen or younger or maybe twelve or younger, tell me they tell me what the cutoff is, they're. They're supposed to be wearing their their their personal flotation device. Life Jacket for the entire time. They are out on the boat correct. Yeah you're correct, Dave. If you're out on a boat, he, you're the operator. You need to make sure that you have a life jacket for every person that you have on board. Not just having a life jagged having the appropriate life jackets that fit the people that you have on board whether it be children. etc, and if you're under twelve, and you are underway on the water, and you're out on an open deck. If you're under twelve. You have to be wearing a life jacket, but I think one of the problems. We see Is that folks will have life jackets on board, but they most often times are stored. You know under their seats in their storage compartments We've rolled up on in done. Check safety checks on boats and. Someone will take five ten minutes to to pull out the six life jackets for the people that they have on board. You know. If you have a sudden. Equipment issue on your boat that takes on water. Say a through hole valve lets loose and your your. You're going to sink in a matter of a minute. You don't have time to get those life jackets so. We encourage people to once you get underway is get those life jackets out at least available if you if you just refused aware. At least get it out available words accessible. Should you need a matter of seconds? Yeah, that's actually a really interesting point you make that distinction between yeah, we have the proper number of life jackets, and even the proper sizes on the vote. That's a consideration, but but that question of of actually having easily accessible when when you need them is is really Is a I'm sure that that makes a difference and in some instances and you know again. It's just sort of a word to the wise, but actually more than a word to the wise. Also this enforcement evolved from what I understand if you don't if you violate these rules about having sufficient life jackets on your vote, what is the penalty? Yeah, it's a big. Enforcement effort for us and That is one thing that we. We have little tolerance of Give me just a second here. We've got a large A long list of fines here for that. These are all mixed in, so take me second, July. Already sorted out. That exact section yeah, yeah yeah. So. I'M GONNA. I'm GonNa just continue chatting here for a minute while you look that up for sergeant, and and I think the point of this year is folks. listeners out there, you know. I I'm a boater. Myself have little sailboat and and. Love it love getting out on the water. I think it's really just kind of a cool thing to get out there and nature and enjoy the you know if it's a sunny day in the breeze and. In my case. Being propelled by the wind when you have a sailboat is really quite a treat and. It's. It is a very very enjoyable activity I. think that people are are You know I I say I say go for it, but would. What did we? Did you Find a number, or maybe that's. Now. The surcharges it would be a seventy dollar fine. You know we. Do Yeah, our dealers. Smoking out there is is is mainly about education, which we really push the education. The folks out there. We're not looking to ruin folks day out there. This is recreational Enjoyment activity, so our main focus up there and make sure that folks are safe. We try and get to these folks ahead of time and make sure that We get them. SAFE before they had out on the water. About about the dangers. The five dry boat related drownings. You had last year in Vermont What was the breakdown on Lake Champlain vs on other bottle bodies of water? If you recall or no. I want to say the majority of them were on Lake champlain unfortunately I can think of You have three right off the top of my head. Unfortunately one of those. Was You know we? We would consider improper where life jackets. Somebody didn't have time to get it on before. Before. They ran into an issue out there in the water. And tragically for them. And I think that's something worth noting only because. Lake Champlain I. Mean and and I don't mean to I. Don't mean to give anybody a pass on other bodies of water, other lakes around Vermont. Certainly are large enough to go out and enjoy a you know a motorboat, exploration, or or a or or sailboat trip or whatever but link plane is really you know a kind of a beast unto itself here in Vermont is definitely our largest body of water you can be you know miles from shore. Obviously, distance from shore is GonNa, make a difference. If you're if you're in trouble I, mean I. Am I track their sergeant. Yeah you sure are it's you know Lake Champlain? One hundred twenty four miles long and I think it's fourteen miles at its widest point some. It's It definitely is its own animal out there. The weather changes quickly. It's it's broad, so that when the weather does, come up, it can get. It can get pretty awful in very very quick. change of temperature as well which unfortunately has gotten some folks in trouble. Yeah that's a That is. It's a it. It is something to consider for people who especially I guess inexperienced boaters Do you think they might be better off on a on a lake? Lake Carmi or lake fairly or one of the others around the state. Well, you know you experience. You can get in trouble anywhere, but I would say that if you are an experience, you know. Make sure that you're aware of where you're going. I don't venture too far from shore out on the lake. and and just be aware of the weather Make sure that you checking the weather. You can be a beautiful eighty five ninety degree day COM. And then you know a minute later you can have sixty mile. An hour winds scorn from wherever from yeah, and and you find yourself and and and real rough conditions out there. Sergeant Carbo is my guest Vermont State Police and we're GONNA continue our conversation on the other side of a bottom of the hour break for CBS news minute and a couple of words from our sponsors and sergeant. Thanks so much for participating so far. Let's do a little more after the break. All right, let's go to. To. Oh and by the way before we do, I wanted to just to quickly mention just after eleven o'clock today, the governor's News, Conference Governor Phil, Scott and other top state officials will be talking about the Kobe nineteen response. They do it every Monday, Wednesday and Friday and they gonNa do that just after eleven. We're going to carry live wd, Ev FM and am as we have been so stay tuned for that as well folks more more voting safety on the other side of the break coming up. We're opening upstairs. Warrants store following CDC guidelines. We will allow three people at a time from ten to four Friday Saturday and Sunday eleven to three Monday and Thursday until further notice, or you can email Lori L., O. R. I. AT WORN STORE DOT COM to make an appointment. There's lots of great summer clothing at fifty percent off outside and new spring merchandise upstairs. Please wear a mask. We have disposables and we will be selling organic wired ones from product. Think tank. We'd love to see you. Stay safe. Mainstream Marin village. It's the day Graham Show on Wdbo FM and am. Thanks for staying with us in the last half hour program this morning on this Friday June, the fifth beautiful Friday morning, June the fifth five broadcasting from home lately and I'm doing so today from my porch. It's been quite quite enjoyable. Audience I I've I've dared to come out to the porch for for the morning broadcast and so far. I haven't been too much. Too much disturbed by a barking fit, my dog or too loud, chirping birds or anything. So I think this might work for a little bit anyway. We'll see how it goes for the last half hour here. My guess is Sergeant Trevor Carbo. He is with the Vermont. State police and he is there person in charge of boating safety and has some interesting. Observations and tips, and and advice about just what the rules and regs are, and so on out there on the water and sergeant, one of the next one of the other topics I wanted to cover with you this morning, I guess you might call it Bwi or boating while intoxicated are there. Are there laws instead and let's talk a little bit about You know whether you seen that as as any kind of a serious danger in the in the investigations. You've done voting accidents. Yeah, it's it's certainly on the books is. Against the law You know we don't see it a lot fortunately, but you know anytime. It's occurring. It's a problem. The issue. Dave in particular with boats. Is You know votes aren't easy to drive? They seem easy but they're not like a car. If you think back when you learn how to drive a car, you had steering. You had breaks. I. If you got too close to the edge of the road, your your parents or somebody could move the steering wheel for your hit. Apply the brakes and call a time out and get your bearings. You can't really do that on the water It's it's. It's a lot more difficult so. The problem with alcohol mixing with boating out there is is it can hide the effects of the alcohol a lot more so You're out of the you've got your equilibrium. That is being disturbed the rocking the boat. So, you know the alcohol consumption and use can concertedly certainly increase the The. Actions of of What's occurring out there? You I that that's that's interesting. I mean if you're adding. Even touch of seasickness or or just a sense of that that you know. Slightly more higher struggle than normal to maintain your equilibrium when you're walking around and over you mix that you and I mean by that from the motion of the water, and then you and then, and then you add to that alcohol I. Guess That's just another risk factor. You might call it to put you in a in a place where you're less able to respond to sudden challenge is and That's And in in those those conditions that sort of. Layering on risk really is a lot about What what what our laws are designed to minimize more. I can when I can gather. And in terms of the types of boats here is there I mean if you are if you are apprehended for boating while intoxicated. Does that go on your driver's license or does that. How does that actually affect your your. You're standing whatever? Yeah, it's similar to that as driving vehicle, it is a criminal offence. You're going to be processed and it it. It goes on record in the. Essence that you'll lose your privilege to operate to boat. It does not change the fact of being able to operate a motor vehicle highway. so The the fines and penalties such kind of vary. They're all going to depend on the how the case gets resolved in the court system. but yeah you. You're facing at least year loss of ability to operate ABO-. And and. I guess I gotta ask the question about applying that to different kinds of boats because I mean, you could have an incident where a motorboat which is actually is registered with the with the DMV. You don't really have a license so well I actually. I'M GONNA. Stop with that right there. In terms of being denied the the authority operator boat. For Year. There's no licensed to take away in that case How do you actually how does that work? Yeah it's. It's just another offense That if you're suspension is is revoked from operating a boat. You know if if you're under suspension so to speak for operating a boat. To be operating a boat, face a fine for that. You Know I. see well. Okay, I. I'll raise an interesting point here. I think that's I. Most folks don't understand but. If you look at the definition of motorcycle. Motorboat, in Vermont, it's it's basically you know any means of. Moving across the water, so if whether you're on a Kayak Canoe. Or a floating picnic table if you're out there, moving across the water, and you're using the means of transportation on it, that becomes a boat at becomes a vassal under state law, and you can be processed for B. Y. for for operating, and those under those conditions, so it's not just you know a large motorboat can. B. Y. You can see a b. y.. In, other ways as well. So somebody in a Kayak Canoe that apply their. Correct? Wow. Okay Good. I mean that's interesting to know, and you know because I. I suspect there. This type of activity has occurred. Remind Su you'll. You'll agree sergeant. Where somebody might be have. This time of year, of course the same slightly the evening. So you have a couple of drinks with dinner, you might be actually over the limit for for driving a vehicle, but you say hey, let's go take the canoe out. you know, and and you know you're you're you're renting or own link front cap or something and just go down to the good out of the waterfront and grab your canoe and take it out and now you are. You are be you. Is You say and and and I guess that that is that is actually a crime punishable. Is that right? Yeah. You certainly could be I mean New Effects of alcohol consumption into a person's body I mean even if you're under an eight. if you're under the influence that that's you know that's an offense as well so you know and again you gotta remember that the the the equilibrium issues will compound the effects of the alcohol particularly out on the waterway, so it's GonNa. Be Really careful of. The tippecanoe becomes more so maybe I. Don't know but Sure DOT com. Surgeon I. also I also wanted to talk to you about an issue which actually got into the news here a couple of years ago on A. Blanket on the name of the Lake and craft spray there, but the questions of distances between boats. Because you know, sometimes there are there are. Conflicts of different levels some are just sort of budding in simmering and others really get into a shouting match occasionally between say a motorboat with water skier, or you know tuber person on a tube being towed behind it they're out there. Raise it up and down the lake, having a lot of fun nearby. There's somebody in a Kayak, canoe, or a little sailboat or something, and they are getting. Shall we say annoyed? What are the rules? How far away are is a power crafts supposed to stay from a non powered craft? Yeah can can can be a big issue out there. In many places so the way lorries you you can't. You're not supposed to be within two hundred feet. you know at a? At a speed of five miles, an hour or more, which were which creates creates a week, so if you're within two hundred feet of the shoreline, a person in the water Canoe Robo another boat. doc any of that stuff if you're within two hundred three. urine violation. we see that in Vermont, a lot of the rivers that we have with those Ski River Loyal River Auto Creek folks take their boats up there and they don't. They don't recognize it. Within Two hundred feet of sure, that's a no wake zone You're not supposed to be traveling more than five miles an hour creating wake up in those areas. So. I've I've often wondered. Is Really two hundred feet. Do you have any good rule of thumb for people us out there? What is two thirds of a football field, but then trying to imagine a football field lead over a lake. I'm still still wondering here. What's what's the? How do you tell what's two hundred feet? Yeah, yeah, well. That's kind of a good good. Visual there. you know it's difficult, but honestly the best effort you can give and creating that good distance. Don't be near when you're offering a boat. Make sure that you're paying attention. that you have observed the helps you on the boat. Also pay attention you can't. You really have to. Have you had on the out there, and it's difficult, so having additional is. Can help. You look for those folks that are swimming in the water. Off Your in a larger boat, maybe difficult to see the smaller kayaks and. So, you know it's just keep your distance. Keep keep your operation under control and and take early evasive action even out in the middle of Lake Champlain. You gotta start watching other boats, and they may be way off in the distance, but if you don't pay attention. You know when you're. You're headed towards the same. same point, someone's going to take action early and help avoid those those problems You know so. I think additionally if you mentioned towing somebody you know if you're towing a water, skier and such. Your boat has to stay two hundred feet. From everything else, but the skier that distance goes down to about one hundred feet so. I see. Excuse me if you're operating the boat and you're towing. Somebody's got to make sure that skier that you're pulling. Is At least a hundred feet away from from other stuff, other votes people in the water, Docs and showlights etcetera. Yeah, yeah, so you really have to be alert out which gets us back to the advice against a against B U Y because. The boating under the influence because you know that just that that can hamper your your learn and and And and these things are important I. Tell me The prevalence of boating accidents I mean I know. The numbers are really tiny. Vermont but have. We had bony accidents where it's basically a crash where it's basically people who did not maintain their distance and got into big trouble because of that. Yeah, unfortunately, we have it. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen and. You know look, this is A. Meant to be a calm relaxing recreational sport we want. Fun Out there, but you can't get complacent. You just have to kind of keep aware of your surroundings so that you can go out there we look. Nobody plans for for a tragedy nobody so right right something. You just have to keep in the back of your mind that what we're doing right now. Is that say and you know? Is there something else we should be doing and we should we slow down here. things like that, so you know we want folks sculpture and have a good time to be aware of your surroundings, yeah! You know like I said earlier at the start of the show. We fortunately we don't have a lot of Boeing accidents collision, so to speak, but eight brand happened, and it only takes one to become a real tragedy a lot lot of you can put a lot of people on on these boats. And Doesn't take much for for something. Go wrong, real fast. Suite of a lot of people at boats. Well, actually I want to bring in. Listeners way in here I might have a couple of questions for you after, but let's go to pan and Randolph Good Morning Pan. Good Morning Sir. How long eleven decide which could be just a couple of months out of? The requirements to obtain a boating license. Issued by the Vermont State Police I'm curious why you haven't made mention of that. And in fact that most all the questions that have been asked would have been answered by anybody who had to take that class. Is that right or wrong? A boating boating class to get a license from remonstrate lease. What you know about that, Sergeant. Yeah I didn't catch initial. Breaking up the pen. As a question again because it at the beginning, you sounded like getting muffled or something. I'm sorry. Can you hear me now? Yes. So I have a birth year of July, Nineteen, seventy-five, which just out of the requirements to obtain a boating license, issued by the Vermont State Police and I'm curious why you haven't made one mentioned of that. I think that. Being born into my living systems Florida back in Vermont I spent my life on the watering allotted waters commonsense why people are born with that? Why haven't you made one mention of this licence? Because most of the questions that have been asked would be answered how to obtain this license. Louis. Ask Sergeant. usery requirements Vermont for boaters to have a license. Well it's not a license. Because so much of it is a safety certificate is A. Certificate that if you're born after January first in nineteen, seventy, four, you're required to. Go, through a safety, course and That is her foetal. Like I said born after that date well, that's that's an eight hour course if you're sitting in a classroom. Or something. because. You think that people would not. Be during client to spend eight hours. like I said Nineteen, seventy five. I'm forty five years old I. Spend this time, and I think that if everybody was where this and if people knew that they had to take this whether they passed or fail is almost irrelevant. The fact is that they went through the class and have a whole lot more knowledge than they did before taking. That come through this course. folks that don't need. The chorus will attend just for that knowledge base. I say. This is amazing to me because I. You know as I mentioned earlier. I have a little sailboat and have. Taken it out sailing several times summer for years, and I had not heard of this I. I guess I'd better. Safety course myself. I don't remember whether I took it so long ago. I don't remember whether it costs me money or not. but I can't believe that you're talking to this gentleman, and this is not like one of the first thing you say right like. Oh, by the way there's a class. Go take it. Okay, I'm sorry. We didn't get to that so far, but I'm glad we have some time left here on the show. Thank you for the call. Sergeant. Where does one sign up for this class where they held? How? How do you get access to this? Yeah the classes on our. We have an online course you can access through state police website and the the classroom courses right now are sort of on old because of the pandemic that we're dealing with here, but those are generally speaking. Those are held or around the state. in classroom settings We have instructors all over the state that hold these throughout the summer. and. Costs for those classroom courses are dependent. On who's hosting I'm so for Recreational Center. needs to charge for the use of facility or or City Hall or private facility. There may be some small costs although I I don't think there are very many. The online course does have a cost that is not that that's charged by the online company. That supports the the platform to that course. Okay and so maybe a scofflaw. And I get asked for my certificate as having taken this class and I walked I wasn't born after nineteen seventy four. So maybe I'm okay, but I If I were younger, I might be scofflaw. Because I didn't know. What is a fine for being out there without without a certificate of some kind? Yeah, there is a fine again. It's on a long list of finds here that I have for you that but again this comes down to you know education. Some folks are not aware of it, but. I? You know we rarely. very rarely. Come across anybody that is required to take this course that you know is not aware of it. It's you know it's one of those laws That's listed amongst all the voting laws in in statue. It's like driving a car. You're going to go, do something and there's laws that you need to be up to speed with those laws so Like I said it is listed there for the for the age for those that are required still. Got It okay. We have another caller on the line Chris from Williamstown Good Morning Chris. Money. Can you hear me? Yes. What's on your mind I I? I'm following up with the last caller. Actually it it. I've been listening to the show and it. It is kind of disturbing that you know. I I actually missed the the due date, so to speak by just six months, and I actually became a certified boating safety instructor and taught hundreds of kids this and for to have the the officer that you have on the. To not make mention of it I think is. Is Very well pointed out. Okay thanks for the call. Chris, appreciate it. And I I guess I'm GonNa Forgive me here because we have mentioned that now. I'll say in general just a to to listeners out there. There are many times when I get into a topic here on the day Graham. Show WD FM and am where it's kind of an exploration for me I. certainly do not have all the information myself and I learn new things in the course of the conversation Sometimes the things seem like they would have been. In better order if I knew them at the top of the conversation, but if it's a half hour in, that's okay. That's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes I'm not I'm not super upset myself. I don't know maybe. A couple of our listeners are a little bit out of shape, but I sort of feel like. Yeah. Okay, now we're getting it out there I'm glad we are It's it's good. Information and Sergeant your your Your your advice to somebody who's interested in taking this course or feels they need to take this course should They should go to the state police website. Is there a particular link tab? There were they would follow. Yes, that's correct. Right on the state police website you can on the left hand side. There are several links of the various divisions we have you can Click through the Marine Division and go through the safety courses. We've had both snowmobiling boating. links there, okay. Got It okay, so hey, maybe there's uh some. Some stuff we don't know about snowmobiling either probably a good idea to head over there and and then check that out. If you are a snowmobiler, a wannabe snowmobiler in Vermont and I wonder In terms of the the we talked about the the distances. If you if you're not keeping a property business on the water. You can actually be Be penalized for that to ensure their. If you're a long list of fines there, but let's talk about overall enforcement for a moment because you know one question. I have is a lot of these a lot of lakes and ponds and Vermont are in places their. WAY, out some dirt road somewhere and pretty remote areas. How thinly spread do you need more people to? Enforce these regulations. Yes a constant evolving thing Dave. We you know we have approximately. I'd say Let's see I've got the numbers here. We've got about fifteen part time folks that are spread around the state. that are out there. I think overall between we have granted sheriff's Department Colchester Police Department that are also. Part of our program so. Between, Some full-timer that we've recently added this year, the program to augment the part Time Program to get more folks out there. We've got around thirty folks that that are out there doing this enforcement you know Vermont. Is a big area smallest they we. Ours got a Lotta waters on it, so we could always use more folks. fish and wildlife is also out there on a waters quite often. You know they're working, they're. They're fishing wildlife mission but there out there enforcing these. Laws as well, and they're spending a lotta time on the water. We are working finalizing the details of. Them joining our program again next year in the in the actual recreational boating enforcement program so that that's an offer of an additional. Twenty five thirty wards that will be out there. directing their attention more towards actively addressing this recreational boating safety mission, so we look forward to that But Yeah you could always use more folks, but you know it's an evolving situation, and as times change and things change and get forced upon US law, enforcement and public safety. We have to address them. Put people where they're most needed. Yup and that makes sense. Basically just try to try to manage the deployment. Where as you say it's most needed? I, do you feel like the the need is growing in terms of just the numbers of voters out there I mean there there are times when at somebody's water in the state you go, and you get out on the water reservoir on a on a beautiful Saturday or something, and it can be kind of a traffic jam out there. Yeah Ken I think as the years have gone by the the paddle craft industry has exploded, and we're seeing a lot more folks out there exercising spending time out on the water on the paddle crops, so they're adding a lot more voters to the waterways. it's a good. Way To. Exercise in particular in years like this where you know. Folks spent the last couple of months. You know lockdown and they're looking to get out and get some exercise. We're seeing a lot of voters out there. Yeah, it's kind of amazing. Of course with the distance rules, two hundred feet from other voters. That's maybe the original social distancing I don't know. It is awaiting I. Guess I. Don't mean to make a joke here too much, but I think there's a serious aspect of voting. Actually another nice thing about it is it is. It is a good way to kind of spread out a little bit and and avoid avoid crowded places and and get out there and enjoy a some beautiful nature in Vermont and so lots of good information sergeant I really appreciate you joining me this morning. interesting conversation. Maybe we, we'll do another edition at the start of next year voting season, and in the meantime I wish you good health and and good luck taking care of the boating safety issues around Vermont this summer. Yeah, let's do it. Thanks all right, thank you very. Specific Day Graham show on this Friday. June the appreciate all the listeners out there checking in with us and just listening in or calling or both. And it's always good. Let's do it again. Monday morning in the meanwhile stay tuned for a live news conference with Governor Phil Scott Other, top state officials responding to the latest covert. Have a good weekend, everybody.
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I have to get past that and stay away from it because the crowd is psychopaths which is okay. They're they're ah one hundred percent critical. Yeah they hate the show. I read it in general. It's all right and I just have to understand that that's like I would never want them not to be able to do that. Like you know Stern Stern shut down the fan network. No really yeah he got he told the fucking like I would. Never I promise you that will never happen. Hate the show all you want go. Oh crazy but once the while you're GonNa get me jumping in on reddit or quarter ever going actually saying give me some fucking exempt. Stern did what you do on air where he's like. I want this fucking thing. Shut down but then worked behind the scenes. Actually actually I think he did. I think you've done the show. He was like I just haven't had any more I would never do because I think I like people who are critical. You know and if you don't like this podcast I told this guy today. That's okay. 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I am in a fucking mood like you wouldn't believe so when I see stuff stuff like that and I don't get a fucking thank you dave just ungrateful Fuck Anyway but yeah. I mean wherever I hope he dies that I mean you know I really really do you know at her on the why he's still involved in our world. All Stephen Confused. We mean it involved. Is there a word in that sense the understand. Do they get the dictionary dictionary for you. Know I mean yeah I mean he's not producing the show when you're gone in Maine right okay. Yeah Keelan know that. Thank you and I don't want involved in the any of the social media stuff too all right. Thank you one. Who are going to be stuck with now? I must say the woollen giving in life with intern. Justin is pretty rough. If that's WHO's filling it. Lame Feud Jesus Christ as ruled is is right there. Land down the law you roll earlier. That Steve I don't think it's a lame feud. I think there's simmering tension between Mike in his intern. 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Not but this is if you ever did that thing with block light if they do that in that the black light glowing just seem like fucking disgusting to socks like standing up by themselves in a row. Jesus Christ you ever do laundry right. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. I know we people did law as you make a dual do your laundry. Not He may have done. We'll get a service. Where you you sent it out? Every Tuesday back those four puck and people. God Jesus my mom living crust in like so. My mom would do food all the laundry. When I was in junior I start having wet dreams? She must have been like what the fuck is going on here. Yeah but I mean parents know well you. I don't know what's a conversation. I apparently but my mom was brought up by a mom who was would not talk about any of that stuff. I I was the oldest my dad I she must have been going on around. I remember one day I came home. I was like eleven or twelve maybe and there was a book just a book their basic your body's changing. 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Sure is that your issue no no first of all what does he mean Eric Listener do in criticising. You know it takes a village to raise one of these interesting. Yeah Yeah I mean what the fuck. So why. Why are you guys still exist in this world coming off of his much like there's no one else no one will replace? It's true murder so coming off the Red Robin debacle wasn't the Buccal Saturday night there was When I mike the fans one of my lovely sponsors broken virtual Gulf they are in Lakeville mass and we did two ads for them. We're giving away a free ad reads. Elliot you can bleep it out after Mike. It's playing with that court you ever the little louder wrapping around my So LAKEVILLE mass in Lakeville. I know like one of the one of the ad reads. We did up on the screen. Justin puts league. Second time. We do it. He puts lakeview mass. If it's I wrote it down wrong or he wrote it down wrong anger whatever. That's a little different. This was just completely. I don't give a farm just GONNA write. Whatever fucking lenders do you think he's just being wacky on purpose? No he was being incompetent he was just being completely careless over this. Well hold on. This is why he went off on twitter. And then there's more oh then on Tuesday accords. The yeah yeah on Tuesday Tuesday he says hey anything you want up on Youtube. That's good. He's reaching out to do and I say How about you put up this song and this segment and it just never never because yesterday Tuesday Thursday this is just there's never gets done okay? And then yesterday it's an issue I say. Hey can you throw up the by the way a major kind of just put pause real quick if you again this more survey Mike Era Leadership issue. Possibly I mean the have you all I mean. It's almost like after we had this whole conversation bubble up and then I snapped on him well after last week. Where are you know this like this is once again here again right but seems like there's more well I think now? Maybe he gets the message. Okay so yesterday I put up the Matt Walsh Interview. I get no response. Then Steve Texan bought something about the other second. We did with the cost. Whatever his name Jerry love that segment so the segment it was? So here's her story. Telling a podcast January sixth by the way so I respond to Stephen Say yes he'll do and then. I texted texted. I'm like what the fuck man you gotTa. You gotTa respond so this is this is the this afternoon you know cost of stuff. Yes so what. Time is yesterday like in the afternoon or something. Yeah Yeah Okay. All right So he goes hey he goes Sar all this stuff is going on. I don't have a cops in your desk in there and discord refreshing. Just trying to talk to you thank you. I appreciate that. So he says he goes. Hey I'm really sorry. I don't like to make excuses but I bet some personal stuff going on and I just that's worse because if you have personal it'll shit going on then you know that. I'm pretty reasonable guy if he tells you reach out and tell me and I'll get wilted in turn to do it or whoever the fuck I'll get someone to do it. You could probably do it right. Maybe or oh no. You can't not really but I'll I'll figure this whole issue because you're blind essentially. Yeah right if I if I could see I could do I could do. I was having fun. Yeah exactly that's the false with your family. Yes my visa. Yes okay good so I go. I go justin this is. That's the way worse because if something's going on and you know if it's just you're lazy that's one thing if you know something's going on you didn't tell me about it that's worse. Give any reasonable. You have any sympathy and just playing just that you know he's like you are sometimes sort of afraid to talk about this. Okay yes I drove. Sympathy sure seem like it. I didn't know this but he says I'm going through personal stuff. Okay and I say okay I can first of all I respect. If he's lying to me I I respect that because I've used that many times to get a great lesson. I'm going through some stuff right now but man us on this show over. No no no. I'm saying like together plans right. Sure so I respect okay but but I can understand. If he's gone through I I believed I say he's in Costa Soap. Finally Johnson also a job and this is a show of course but I can be sympathetic. Then I'm going through twitter. And I see him pardons they night at ten thirty where he's trashing. Here's a hot take for your gang. I thought DC sucked misspelled. Erica's name by the way. Kyrie sure report for right so then I say hey asshole if you're going to use personal Stuff don't be on twitter. Giving your hot takes less. Initially here's fan but here's the other thing you're missing. Though is that means is responsive. Means he spent the forty five minutes. It's listening to the podcast. As opposed to you know doing something for our show is included in my long time. I said you have time to listen to the show and critiques by what you could listen to me. The fans show. If you're doing doing that while you're doing it right I mean so what what are we. What the fuck? So that infuriated me to the personal issues. I mean he actually actually reached out. You listed some things that I believe. I don't WanNa get into his dirty dirty laundry making me a something in the woods and stuff with a friend. I mean nothing. I wanted nothing. I WANNA AIDS AIDS. He suffering the AIDS virus and it sounds like Pussy college stuff or no no. I mean if it's true no one time what is it. Six and behalf seven no god to work yeah well that's the other thing I said. Hey if a sponsor reaches out and tells me that I fucked up or they reach out to you. But the lengthy thing they they mentioned the guy was very understanding. But Yeah Yeah. He said something and I was like or if Steve reach out to me what the fuck is going out. Why isn't anything up on Youtube? I can't go just in sat on me. Yeah Kingdom so I said what the Eagles. I'm sorry I'm going through this and this I go. Do you think he can handle Saturday Saturday he goes yes. Good I if you can't tell him out right but yeah so that's just fucking infuriate me and and then each in saying I'm punching down which is fucking absurd absurd. I don't even know what that means. Well I know what that means like. You know what it literally means Bunch your job. I mean to his job and I'm reacting afternoon. People were like Oh handle this privately. It's a thing I saw on twitter. I don't always tweeting out. I'm fine with that. Do you think that the handling of the last punishment kind of turning it into a joke on Mike back in the mid fans might have undercut the seriousness legitimate question. Yes that's an issue. We run into Arab. Brennan handled this much differently. Much more sternly on this is twice a fucking around around here out. Well the Mike I know the Kirkman hand system doesn't deal three strikes. I'm on the three strike policy. Okay you can. Yes okay. But he's going going to fuck up again. Yes I'll get my ducks in a row. See how goodwill can produce the stack the season. I think I think we gotta keep him around at least until February so eight ball. Let me Fox up again. Though I know also someone Exposed an issue with the paintball gun thing which I'm fine. It's frozen paint bull's. Yeah that might be a problem. Yeah why pimples a freeze essentially like boots at that point k how much okay. Factoring that that was the the case you'll die I'm not a great shot so I don't know if I him in the right marksman ause I thought I was shooting. Okay good to get them in the net will get a real pro where we look like working again. That won't kill him. I don't think you could kill him with a paintball gun now. I don't think so I got my brother and the I once in the winter It was what's the winter but the paint balls aren't frozen is a shot of Bastogne while this is a real well. Yeah I mean I'm I don't mind signed him barking at if he's doing all this work he can criticize. DC and everything. That's fine but he's not doing his work and you can't be. That guy is such A. There's this is another one of these examples so of these people who just want to be part of it in you know in the earned nothing in the you know. They think they're suck Manhattan's. Somebody sent me a clip up of. Aj All respect. Mike Mike's Tugging the fucking Corneau's talking a different more by bring up that Jesus God I just got shot the I it was the papal the Roman wires. What did they get through? Switzer soaked my mom's alive in clean sheets wrote that book. Get Him tomorrow. But the book on your fucking share character. I was GONNA cut herself doing laundry interests. And she was talking about some periscope thing or something and she was saying any questions at the fans need for me and then she said the next sentence. I haven't been listening to this show last couple of weeks other really know what's going on like what are you negotiating. Fuck aren't you like what are you doing. That is a bad look off like any questions. Minute fans want your quite. Yeah what questions. But that's the other. Just fuck up. Jesus just like if you if you want me off Mike and the fans I understand and I was just in. The problem is not the I think he'd do like he does a fine job he's able to do. I don't have to worry about shit on that show because he does a good job. The problem is you're fucking concentration like you. Just don't give you don't give a fuck. What town is up there? If I tell you upload a video at eleven dude at six. Am because you always undescored and always on the the other cheese so fucking Christ. Have you been feeding Justin Justin Beers when he's doing making the fans that a drinking alcohol no no not during the two though we mean not during before no afterward at the first time hang. There's like the first time not the last couple of times in a nice relationship since then it's classic child psychology power assertion one hundred ten Jenrette. We need a swap. Oh why well the problem is wills wills Guy School who've Robinson that's the thing is I asked to do this the first week and he couldn't even imagine fucking handling was also not in your apartment that you're right that probably the hell wants. He really blamed him with a fuck. Wants to be after. You know what I mean. So did you have to. You have to make good with your the the lake. The Lake View Sorry the final league view the fucked Lakeville Lakeville whether you're whether it's Lakeville lakeview. Yeah like Western mass right so no Lakeville Lakeville south social shorts down by like a great woods. Yes yes yeah yeah good for. All the blind people play golf learn last week. That's not exactly what exclusively people would actually so so he just just wrote like that's not good. That's not good. Luckily you know he's a fan. He understands that. I'm dealing with incompetence so I give my credit gave the Gulf Guy Fifty percent come off the read game five bucks back and said you know this is not doing very lucrative deal back this week. A shore arguing threes right. Now Yeah after screwing up it happens. So it's Mike in them in a fit man. I was Min- Limit Earl Smith and not just the girl we got. We got a couple of segments here. Okay Yeah Ungrateful Fox. So can you show. Can you get a spot on Mike and the fans if you don't listen to the Kirkman Honcho. Evidently evidently it sounds like age is going to be on right. Well She's going to uh He's going to deal with. I brought in a real fan lauren. Lynn it's ladies night. Oh I running lauren. Life support having to balance out the real fan you know has some real offense sure. Yeah Okay let's find in. Aj in blanks groupie. Yes and the first lady okay. Wonderful what's going to be. I'm sure that won't be a distraction. The fans they'll say great. fucking stupid pervert assholes they really are. It'll be good. I'm sure it'll be. I'm looking forward to IT I. I'm concerned about the relationship at this. This stuff has autism. And then when I may be chimes in Justin's you don't need to defend me like I'm fine with this and then image. Fuck Oh you lose her. And it's like well who's punching down at an intern now. He's he's I'm telling you I I like him. Yes I do and I feel bad. He's unstable we brought them on. You didn't handle it well. And he hasn't handled the well subsequently and he's the one person most people just say. Just hang in like I understand. You know you get involved in it. You get into the life the whole thing being the instagram the discord the chats all that stuff but to go away. It's better futures to go away. Listened to the PODCAST. Don't listen to it. Just go away. The cameras quotes account by the way on fire yesterday day. Yeah good job yes. Good man is running could composite or something. Yes yes what do you mean. Gentlemen know movies WASCO. Maybe Jason Maybe looking forward to that if he gets so walk me through this US please Harvey Weinstein can still go to jail though right should can still face criminal charges. He can right I. I think he'd have to right. I think he's still. He's still committed crimes but there are other things he could go to jail for. I don't even. I don't even think this is like a master master settlement with all. That's what I'm saying is because I saw the twenty five million and I thought that's going to be just one right. Listen He's not actually paid for himself. You'RE GONNA make a few minutes. It's crazy crazy deal. I mean I feel bad for me physically going through a lot right fake Ilma. Saddam believable shows up to court and he doesn't have his ankle bracelet on. I know and they're just like oh he's got that Walker. Just just a fucking weird bizarre. I don't I don't understand. So we've got a twenty five million dollar settlement with dozens of alleged of his alleged sexual more than thirty actresses and former Weinstein employees. See that's not that much then. It's not exactly that's who that's who would share in the payout Moraine rain peanuts. I would think I don't under- I don't know. How much is he worth Harvey Weinstein? Oh my God. To fifty million. Eighteen of the alleged victims will split six point two million with no individual getting five hundred grand a subpar. The money eighteen point five million be set aside for those who are part of a class action case. So I don't know but there's there's no way this protect him from going to prison in different. No I don't think on the one who say no but on the other hand there's a separate standard of justice for people like Harvey Weinstein people who are politically connect. But I'm just saying I'm just saying in general like you know I. Yeah I don't know I have no idea but it is bizarre. I say got off that I mean it's crazy. Let's all look the other way on this. Jesus he's a good man. What's he gonNA say kidding? Of course not everyone knows. Apparently that's true was there was something else about that that jumped out at me. I don't know the cosby thing was upheld. I told you to Dr off week from an interview with him. This metoo eras ruining in everything calls me Weinstein them. I get a one week if cosby Weinstein Weinstein now but it's going to be tougher to get the 'cause how would you fuck that up. Oh God it's a Mike actually do an interview with you can ask some hard questions. He's Christ so I was originally GonNa not split today tomorrow into two different shows becoming a decent stuff going. We're GONNA go on straight through. And what do you think about. I mentioned to Mike. I was like yeah that might be what we ended up doing doing. What's that just doing one show today? Yeah we'll just do with with with so it turns out that Kirk Chaiman will be going to the fine. I'll be the about this far north as you'll be in America in February in the boat is far south as you can be. The America is that correct span of in the span of a week. A week's time one Sunday. I'll be landing in Miami the next Sunday. I'll be exiting Madame WASCO. Jesus Kirkman the hand is going to the great city of Miami to go to the Super Bowl. It's very exciting it. I'm looking forward to it. I got a call about it yesterday. I'm BARSTOOL radio early. Somebody said I didn't want to go. It's crazy give nothing but positive energy. Here's here's the thing I thought about this as well today my run these people have been good to me supportive of me. They've helped me battle Murchison. They'd let me do whatever I want. I should be grateful and the offering opportunities like this. I'm trying to be tape player right so I'm going to go down there and do the best job. I can for Barstool sports and Sirius Satellite Radio. Now the only issue is what does this mean for the Kirkman. The HENSCHEL for the right. We're GONNA find out we'll find out they were gonNA talk to Dave Portnoy today. We're GONNA talk to the mastermind behind the whole thing dame the cats who was going to tropic take a victory lap well he got one he deserves on Capitol played. So we're GONNA I most curious so dave you you know essentially begged me to go do the radio with him for a week. Fine you know what I do. I've done radio for a long time. People on serious lead to speculation. I'm just I'm just doing with the boss told me to do the show and do a couple of hours a day with Dave from at four to six I think right yes so from four to six I'll be doing live I've With Erica called power eighty five or eighty hour. Eighty five's Sirius Satellite Radio at Super Bowl Week in Miami. I don't know where I'm staying. I assume staying at that Hotel Barstool hotel hopefully rooming with you know a couple of guys in Corrobos or something choice. I like that a lot like me staying somewhere else by myself in the hotel. So I'm doing that but I don't know the functionality optionality so Steve I think Steve Going. Steve seems very confident right. Going for some reason everything fowler has said is he's a high level guy. There's no question. He is the editor of all the PODCASTS. I Dunno let's put up there with the you know. She definitely on the big money decision makers of company. Well they do ask him who he thinks should go. That's true and Steve should go. Yeah I think you're out and that seems like maybe David wants to go to fight Dave there. Maybe you can go right but I guess let's just say you don't go Steve Right. We'll play that. How do we do the show? Well one option. Is You get on a little telephone. Optimally Land Line and you call us here in Studio and Blind Mike and I sit here and do do the right. Oh work I think it'd be great. It'll be three hour shows short twenty six minutes thirty minutes no kirk. Now it's going to say no Romo Romandie but no no no. That's fine. My always armed at the printer dependent work out. It doesn't seem the best option. My option was don't know is what we could do it. It's all depending on what the producers are doing. Whatever is me just jumping on wherever they're doing the serious stuff and doing the show every night it just run the next morning right so we do with at nine o'clock tonight or something for two hours makes sense? But what do you you just you by yourself at serious calling in here. So we're we have a studio where we're doing the serious stuff. Yeah and then you guys are here still over swingline. Yeah but nobody would be over career. ISDN wouldn't be over is Dan. It'd be over phone line for here. We don't have an ISDN. We don't have a COMREX still be a phone line. Functionally be the same talking into a microphone but it'd be the same so far better though it might. Yeah Yeah Yeah maybe it might be somewhat better. I mean it was basically like Erica. Did for the DC interview. Yeah she sounded fine. I thought here she was times. Your shoes you couldn't hear it all but but I think my my question with that is i. Don't think they're going to have. We'll talk to David. Uh He's GonNa have some idea Mike you know better. I don't know the But the idea that this will be on hand to help me out at that point the night in Miami for Barstool where they you can have seventy five million fucking things going on in. I am fully incapable of walking and just not capable of doing it so you know I don't know unless it's Mikey himself or something. But he's GonNa fuck in three thousand things like he's not gonNA okay. I'm GONNA give Kirkman handed hour and a half of my time. It's not a realistic ask. So you know. I don't know maybe we just don't do a show that week. The fans will be gotta be someone doing because all the PODCASTS ARE GONNA be down there sure but my radio digging down there as a full show right and they're going to be part of my take is going to be interviewing. We're going to a shitload of interviews. Yeah I'm not I mean yeah in Hank's going to be there no matter what's right. Yeah yeah so I mean I don't think I don't know Steve Down there. It gets a lot easier because his job will be actually some like I don't know if Brennan clancy would be there like I remember seeing him in Atlanta guys like that. What I'm saying so for shows like that right? I'm saying there must to be people that are helping out. Yeah I would think yes. Brennan's is going. I G might have been there last year. I'm trying to remember because I think I did something with those guys last. I don't remember I don't remember but yeah maybe we'll all stay we can ask KFC. Yeah Dan I mean dental no so I don't but I don't know what so. So if you're there Steve. My guess is also Steve's their barstools probably they want you to do some other shit for them. No that's what I was thinking. I could probably be useful during the series broadcast helping out. Mikey Fowler Alert Shit or in the running out and doing something right if you're there you're there I I so I don't know okay. Yeah I mean it'll be. It'll be an interesting experiment. I'm willing to dive in and see how the fuck because I think it could be a total disaster for us but you know I usually do okay when they go down. There caused some trouble some stuff I the shows will be the finals of the U.. And Kevin or big cat or whoever I would imagine for what the shows themselves. If we're not doing it if you steve going. I don't but I'm trying to think of Steven I can do do. Could we do something where we connected with Mike or no. Yeah we could have Mike by phone. ooh Yeah that's not so amazing. fucking off no. He's GonNa be Mike. And the fans every night astro recap task. So I don't know I mean so. I don't really know what's going to happen but it's GonNa be me Dave. I think we'll ask him in an hour Chris. Oh It's GonNa be me and Dave only I think two in the show together every day from four to bring up Tommy. I don't think so. Why is that? I don't know I'll ask him but he seemed to say it was going to be just the two of us in one of the texts less I just. He's over. The plan would assume he means you and me doing great with rigs and Tommy that I would think I would think rigs would be there is kicked off the. Yeah that doesn't autism but I don't know but I also wonder like why. Why is Tommy there? I'm upping Dick. Whoever like I have no comment on yeah I don't know like on the radio you mean like why am I going to be there? I D- honest. Oh why are you going to super. I think we all know why you're going to be there. Why because a big yeah no but also because this is what probably the biggest week for Barcelo radio right huge football audience? More more is more ears Sherbourne uh-huh and you stir the shit down there. You got the Davey Davey. Mouse knows who is talented. He's looking for somebody to come in very nice to honor this example of you doing too good a job last year last year. He's got a taste of that. Stool true thing. The craft thing a good week and then those guys Radio Electric Electric. We need him at the Super Bowl. That's true off the shelf to dance for those guys again. Yeah that's what I'm there for you now. What I would recommend is maybe this time you can smell it the week? Yes that's true and then you have to go next because he's been any definitely Kirckstein. Then you can fight with them but how bad your that's content right. They launched by the Pool South Beach Guy so if I go down there am I going to have to break up any fights with who you try and fight anybody. I Dunno bench. Come natural thing other other barstool. People didn't wasn't Gerald Steve. Trying to fight people. Travelling in the shows are GonNa be the Super Bowl this year to be honest with you. I think there'll it'd be a lot of Baltimore. Stations may be bowing is going to be anything I take right. There suck on that intern. Justin coming fire. But I don't know if life yeah so Bosch lobbies banned from radio row right. I'm ban this year from radio anyway. If I was back entercom still. They banned me for a year. Because of the Suffolk Adele. Yeah Yeah I remember. The people told me that that was like the like fightback or anything. No I'm okay. I'm a I don't care. They didn't care. I don't WanNA fucking. He's not going to be here. There's there's no way. Describe the hell of radio row anyway is forty Mackenzie band. I don't know have to ask them. I love me. I don't have an answer for that. No Way. He's safe guy he'll he'll treat them right down there. I I think we'll have some fun with the radio media people during the week for sure and we'll break into the goodell press conference and we'll break into the media night like Barstool always does so. Oh you know into the game with Dave again face to think that by the time the game is I will be back in the Great State of Massachusetts is. My is my hope and goal roughened relatives Saturday. Yes if the day I'll stay if they don't care I'll fly back. They made it your choice flying back Friday night Friday night. If you please yeah. That'd be late flight them on the air till six. Oh you're on Saturday Saturday Saturday morning. If you want we'll see what's going on Yeah we think so. My thing Monday through Thursday for some reason but I'm happy to do you know. All the great shows are Monday Thursday. That that's what had me thinking so talk Dave and today in here later on let me hear Jerry Callahan's tomb in the Promo just taking over social media boy Callahan hair. Lotta People WanNa know where Ben last last few months after twenty years in a couple of criticisms right away. He didn't say Gerry Callahan. No that's fine. I don't think I like I don't know if we did it or not. In our tomb an intro music in the background we did a slow creeping music bed. We didn't ask started started out drive the final countdown. Oh by Europe okay. So sort of this. This sounds very radio economy. I don't know Boston. Most of it spent at number one I got Tampa spineless. I don't WanNa say this go ahead. I don't WanNa say I'd rather not say say it. Sounds like kind of a Gerry. Callahan was coming to Nessin the music. Beds Southfield Yeah yes we is. He doesn't have a rotating gig with Jerry remmy on after hours. Do they ask them sports radio station in July since then. I've been huddled with my creative team to come up for the name for my new podcast. Well on Monday January. Sixth in old of usual places. You'll be able to hear the Gerry. Callahan podcast so I again like build your own fucking pyramid. You know like I mean I think my voice is heard in this three times. I was not asked about that once. Also I would not not not not wants. Nobody said Hey. Go No gun. That's a Konate Brunettes not Jerry. I don't care it's the biggest account. That's Jerry didn't hurt that I don't know what's show it's again. It's like you and then turn Justin Moore listening but I mean the the but like ah I don't this is my voice. And they account three times. I've found little. I've had a few of the drops out. Not even just your voice. Yeah I don't I. Why and why is that being done? Well from a purely self interested perspective on their part they want to associate themselves with you as much as possible right but but but should they ask me. No because you might say no might be one of those Just do it and do you want to reap the whirlwind and if it gets me in the wrong mood Um The probably didn't factor that well shouldn't they maybe they want the wrath because they think that it would be good publicity I don't know but or maybe maybe what your own fame don't discount this. Maybe they just didn't think think about it at all. I mean out. The podcast has great. This thing. Sounds like shit. It'd be honest catching we'll talk about all things. I want to talk about things I used to talk about. I suspect will spend a lot of time on tool friends. Donald trump and Tom Brady blue. Politics will do sports will do movies. TV Make Fun of the media. You're pathetic and we'll spend a lot of time on the insidious cancelled culture. It is ruined traditional talk radio and landed me right here. Let me tell you what we won't have. WE WON'T BE FRIGHTENED program director breathing down next. Tell us to stick to the clock spoiler alert. We won't have boring of us with the both the Jerry drop the DEL one. I found odd. Because if you're trying to get a bigger audience people might not understand like I don't think I I don't know if Jerry's trump I don't know we talked for an hour and a half the other day I didn't I don't know if he's I wants to stay Boston focused or not bright as I. I don't know I I don't know I mean saying that talk about Tom Brady. A lot is great as he is very limiting to me Y- but even but regardless of that. He's talking Boston Sports. I just think it's odd to put in like a Dale. Arnold dropped just because maybe this one's just for everyone's maybe belly wants to do that though. It also could be that I sent Dave Colin the drops in among them. 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Yeah if you remember bickering Stevo Kirkman and say it's bigger. I figured yeah. Well I think I told the origin story behind this yesterday. Not a I but I don't know if I rose the sheer volume that there was. I don't know why there was. So how much footage. It was a great great visuals. Yes well I don't know if it was again I don't know if it was eighty. Eight or eighty nine. That remains a great mystery to me was thirteen or fourteen I'd always February the way I think you can see the the beginning of your career as a sarcastic funny man a very funny and the dancer and performer. So all in and all I say this mission was a complete success captain now one time necessary. I mean why. It really doesn't with the visuals because after you say captain want on it goes right to sue well. I thought that was his name. I was young. I was young and Defense unlike others. I'm willing to play myself from the past and say listen. I was young. I didn't know better I regret I would never do it again. To them with the else changed. I've just people working today in the radio. I can't can't listen to that means a lot. I mean you know I was on the air today right sure was state media but please go on. Tell me more about the job you do. What is that? That's a Russian accent. Oh my God that's good. That's good stuff because we all know those people spy on us. You know you get it. I don't know well that's what those people do. I can't believe this guy continue to work. But that's the way they wanted to find great comedic minds of artists. He's funny that you can do a Russian accent. Nobody bats an eye but if you do in Asia are you close to home so if you any white people that have accents you can make fun of and then other you know Oh sure. Why licensed like what's the what's the what is so? I always say this to like you. Know when people say why can why can a black icee the N. word and the White Guy can't say the N.. Word or whatever because the media media things white people who are above others know my that is they were the black people want slave so they get some of the gates. That's fair trade. I think it's a different question question though as to why some foreign accents. Because we're not talking about you know why because we know why you know the answer that question you know. I really don't like the Chinese. People haven't historically been marginalized by Western society but their minority though not in the world in America there. Okay but I mean those. I'm not saying it's fair or unfair but you know why you're asking me why. Why can't you do a black accent? Why can't you do a white accent or why can't you do a rather? Why can't you do the time accent but on old stereotypical black blackhawks? Well you know the answer. Why should act go ahead? People love it. Let me hear it. Oh that's the famous start to that because you know you just don't do it. Those those are the rules. We know the rules really. They affecting anybody really know no no. They're not on right now. Should do bus stuff. Is Your Spaghetti. Come on Mikey some more. We could do it all all day. You'll never get offended or it won't get any trouble but also no one's offended by that no no defended by any of us. Well I mean. I don't know if you went on and do they. Dripping the old school like nineteen forties representation of how they felt black. People talked you would be offended but like you get fucked. Yes overly in writing that I understand. I'm saying actually doing an accent if you you're saying like honestly like what Christian for you'd did whereas I didn't find that overly offensive but people about it. I agree completely. Oh toll reaction pussies at the company but at the same time the old argument is well. Who the fuck are you say? Whether Asian people are offended by that sure I guess but were they. I don't know why didn't ask him to pull them really give a fuck if they're offended because people can make front of me as a matter of fact neither why I don't care I mean the thing is so that I would say is is came in the Ham. Harry minihan suck it up buttercup. Sometimes sometimes sometimes you just got to say like you know like okay. We understand like you know it's been marginalized or whatever but because Christian fauria pretended to be. What don yee would have to sound like for some a dummy like Ron Gorgeous? I mean he was like fifty and I played some role in that by the way I suppose because I hate the boards and some guy danced for me and the Great Nick from Boston. Like forty shouldn't work or a Glenn. Ordway shouldn't work because it's just as opposed you're saying oh that's a stupid axon. Listen Ha so. We've we've almost lost because now I remember years ago we used to say. Hey if you're offended change the station. Now we say I can under- I understand why they would be offended and they should go oh through a suspension or sensitivity training. We've lost the fact that it doesn't matter if you're offended then change the channel. Listen to something else. Well I agree but I mean in obviously I agree. This is what we do. But you know but you have to remember for some of these people like Shirley. Yeah it's just a business. She's made an industry out of this. But but what what I'm saying. That's why I talked to her so I went over all the fancy stuff with their last night. We talked three and she's really felt like I feel really bad as she feel bad having to subject her to the horror of those jokes Mike and I both heard from various fans about the fifty stuff to Mike and said. Hey you fucking pussy like get on board. Yeah want you defending his guy friends. Correct people reach out to me and said Hey. What you're doing Uffizi really isn't right? I'd be totally fine. If he was fired for it I would love of it I would love. I would love the of course I would. I would love this guy. Works defendant. Yeah yes but I would love the irony of it yes. It's not a defendant but I would I would love bashing and I would revel in the idea that I made it happen. It would be wonderful but I knew once I did it was it was put it this way. He's basically mailman surely founded on her own random somehow randomly. She writes. I should write about it but because now I'm doing it. He's skied as the most amazing part. Not It could be. There could be video of the entire crew last week having a party in black face right which has happened. I'm just saying that their photos but if I brought that out nothing they wouldn't. I'm swear to God they would write about because the deal the globe and the struck a deal. I am convinced that and it's amazing that they pretend to be this high moral the ground but if you say if you expose it they'll say oh we're not going to give him the satisfaction right. Was it ever really that important. Then just the other day I mean Kevin Cullen made up a story about the guy. I dragging Jane Richard Around of during the bombing like made it up and he kept his job at calmness the newspaper I wonder what's Joe. What are the limits of that Seles if you came up with evidence conspired with Russia enough they acknowledge it? They might not now again. I certainly wouldn't print your name. The call fans to make up fake stories and send them to the globe to try and get globe writers in trouble. Goodell some podcasts. They all know that they should be doing that. That's kind of stuff mundane should be doing. They should be trying to fuck doc. These people's lives trying to get Joe Zarbano Fire Mark Cannon fired Shirley Shirley fired people the globe fired. I mean that should be. There should be their mission. Yeah it's brutal leaving ratings are Jerry Callahan's podcast. Let him do his own thing. Do worry about me. Pick a side is saying well the globe I mean Steve mentioned this morning Alan Dershowitz Schwartz's vising trump well. Yeah he's been doing well. Yeah that'll be that'll be more. They'll be more torn on that like what we do. Because he's he's our guy right then anything you do anything you for sure. Well I mean yeah but I mean. Dershowitz is the toll ass kisser. Though like with the globe he's friendly with them nice to them and he's got to do this and as I'm saying there must be in a pretzel now thinking do show also see also as other issues that they don't seem to care about either. Why is associated with trump? Might be more problematic for the globe associations with Jeffrey Jeffrey Epstein. No question Alexander doubt about that so I don't know yeah I mean but you know. There's no that's part of the reason why I think even like a Jerry's podcast pretty well. There's there's a hunger for people we do it to sort of call it out and talk about as opposed to ignore the just weird media spot in the country puncher eight hour on the. What's going on? We'll talk about this guy the minute the guy we're going to have what's his name. Robert mccaw I mean tear absolutely terrifying stuff. We'll we'll do it. We'll we'll do it in a minute. Here what else is gonna I had something else. I was going to mention want to hear from Ronald Reagan. was there anything else. Before that everything else fucking ideas. Today or to parody songs they suck it up parody songs around the Reagan. Jesus what a business uses. Where you're saying Steve Well we got to parody songs. We've got Ronald Reagan could also address the The great cheese controversy. She's Oh Jeez. Jesus yeah saw that. Well we'll we can do that right now at if we're going to do that then we should say who are. 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I mean I seventy percent meath urban you. Yeah we had a call about it now calls about it. Yeah well you have my phone number I she got Wyoming. You see again that sort of thing where you're not proactive. I know I know. I wish I just guessed that we were going to send cheese to actually. We actually wanted this to be preemptive because they're like you know what Mike his so thoughtful. He probably sent his own sort of a dual but she's very very kind and very respectful on the podcast and said some great things with us. I thought the right thing to do is to thank the boss yesterday afternoon. Saying thanks to the cheese and I said Oh of course no problem and she tweeted out which was nice and she kind of seemed to throw you under the bus though saying that you know old joke but the but then Mike was upset because he wasn't included. But I don't know what you expect not upset. Just it's very telling you mean in the two big dogs cheesed everyone. They say Mike doesn't need to contribute. I happily did you contribute. I would have bought some of the child about the I would go out and fees for the whole game. Did you contribute you want when he was excluded. You want to see you as that I mean to say it's awfully binding and this situation. Anyway you slice it. I mean you just weren't part of it. Say I awesome shred of evidence that you were involved here pal. We can milk this role but eventually it's gonNA ride our cooking. Let's let's see. I'm really growing mounting. I'm losing it so Erica was sending nice response though yes great boss awesome and now maybe should send something in her trying curry favor. There's a combination of the CEO of the company and also that she sponsored dunking on my they do the tweet it out To be fair Mike wasn't involved. Yeah that's good. The being on always always important to make sure knows that she's cheese. I should I'd say so. Thanks to US MYTHS COUNTRY CHEESE DOT COM. Yes they've been a good partner. I'm sure they'll be with the two thousand twenty. I have to imagine yeah they. They'll woah comeback for mother's Day. I think right now is what the plan is. Maybe Valentine's Day some holidays thinking Valentine's Day. I I I don't know little wine and cheese on WE'RE GONNA be out in Western mass for this live show. I would think a couple plates cheese would be a nice way the MS again putting us in your hand Steve. You're preparing this part of the package. You're preparing dinner you know. Oh yes yeah we do that in. Yes what do you make. Why'd said Chicken Parm? I threw that out there. Your big chicken guy. That's a favorite different. You should check obviously with them. Yeah they're GONNA to get the call. I don't want this Steve Robinson snobby meal You know I can cook anything up to now I mean I mean Steve Steve's but he can get down with the hotdog eaters as well that's true. Yeah he's a Wendy's Guy Kinda play both ways you can play with the common man. Some fried chicken do moving matter. WASCO updates no not nothing particular to update on Data Oscar. No okay I mean. It's getting closer here. I mean we're going to a couple of weeks we're GONNA be off for a week. Come back Manas by win the be in Miami for a week before that so I mean we gotta really sneak up. That's what I mean we get we get you feel confident. I do so if you go down there to Miami come back and mouthwashes GonNa be like three days away. Yeah ooh that's GONNA be tougher. Steve saying it's might not be able to do this. Miami trip plus the live show plus Mala Wasco plus is GonNa be a busy few months in the minihan world. We know any details about the live show yet or no still was zero. I don't know unless you do Steve details about about the Live show in Western mass Yeah no I haven't actually contacted the high bitter still Muslim waiting. I'm curious if it's a if we're literally going to be in someone's live here we we are. We are always. That'd be much easier and you. Yeah for just much easier for me. They won the bid. I don't think it'd be holding them one eighty people but if it's a business or something you know they might they might. Yeah Yeah my understanding is that it is not a business right so we're GONNA be in somebody's house. I like that I do. That's the direction I'd lean and yet you like the lovely spatially your comfort is it's uncomfortable gets I mean. There's western mass means three hours away. I mean an hour and a half away depends all I have is a lawyer in Western mass. That's all I know. Lawyer interesting lawyer in Western mass. I don't know if we're in the BERKSHIRES officers or what boy the Berkshires Berkshires. Some would say berkshires. Berkshire where you from the BERKSHIRES. Even get that from that spelling sure's Berkshires but move along Berkshire says so. WE'RE GONNA GUESS COMING UP Apple Apple Apple. I can mountains. We do have a guest coming up. See that's true What's we're talking about nine thirty? Yes I like this guy saved I. I've always been a proponent of banning all books is agreement once said if TV was invented. I books would never exist. Sure talk to that man. Our group is calling a major retailers to pull white supremacist assist pro confederate materials from websites. I'm a fan of wiping out history because I mean what are you GonNa Learn from that from the from the wrong side of the Council on American Erkin. ISLAMIC RELATIONS CAIR is calling on Amazon Google and Barnes and noble Including the Cup of audible and kindle to remove all white supremacist and pro confederate part digital audio books and related social media at so we having on today Steve. We're having on Robert mccaw. He's the director of government and external relations for care. Okay Okay and He's the one who's been putting out the statements and basically they're they're advocating. He explained to me yesterday. They're not saying. Don't publish those books. They're saying retailers. I don't sell those books. So they're not advocating for a book been well. They are advocate combining the speech. They are yeah there for freedom of speech not at selling them. Yeah they just don't want you to sell enough for the freedom of Barnes and noble to sell if they want the candidate want. We just said you didn't want to. Well yeah they don't want him to win. You know maybe some public pressure would encourage encourage them not sell those books but they have their free to do it. They will have to face down the social justice mob. That care can Point anyway choose this guy drip or what I think that he will. He's a lawyer. But he's media savvy and I talked. I talked to them yesterday and he doesn't he. I think I think he can be a little bit more Feisty Than Matt Walsh was which say much but I think that I think that he's I got an interest to represent and smart wants to make then you disagree with them so we'll see what is the case. What is a reason in minded persons case? We're going to talk to him for this because I don't see any case at all so it's hate speech there so I know it is but so what if if you allow Amazon to sell mine comp Some of these others. The Holocaust might happen reason. I mean what's what's the reason line of thinking. Thank you read. You read something like the politically incorrect guide to the civil war and you develop racist. No you develop racist attitudes and you The mistreat black people. Because you read about you know some of the unflattering things Abraham Lincoln during the civil war politically incorrect guide to the civil war by the way. Good Book I said that is Yank. Okay good thank you. What is it that causes history to repeat itself? I mean I don't know what I mean I. I'm trying to think we read mine conference. Yeah I don't think I did now. We never did. I took a Hitler class. Well Steve Took School Steve Talbot exer- Forty six nine. But what I find it. Maybe I'm wrong that when you study these people and you learn what makes them insane. Well read about them out the flaws in the argument. Have a conversation in about it. I don't I mean so say you're white supremacist right. You're going to be what you promised anyway like I I I don't know and you're GonNa find this book anyway. Here's the thing Kirk smart guys like you and Mr mccaw they you guys can read these books and the dumb and decide on your own that we have to save the dummies out. There that are subjected to these hateful words. I find it very sad. Just find this. I mean you are essentially burning books. That's really what you're saying dancing around it. We're just pressuring people never sell anything so the funny thing is when I called care. I got their first their media relations hotline and I said Hey Barstool sports and he says he says so. Are you guys neo Nazis. Because we don't talk to Neo Nazis and I was like that's a fair position. No we're not call. Someone said Steve. You're not in the unit I did. Yes wow lousy is again interviewed. I learned from college. I was going to say that spot. Yeah and then they When I was talking with MCI said So? Is this going to be a debate because we don't do debates debates lawyer. I like that good okay. We ought to do you think. Do you think we're going to agree with him. I told him I was up. I said you know we probably won't agree on much if Johnathan we'll have the debate. Are We fucker we doing but what did what does he mean. It's not going to be a debate. A lawyer WanNa do I think that he amen. And it tells you spiel and then we'll hang. I thought he meant we're not gonNA have on. I guess someone who's pro mind calm for sure. So we'll have someone on his pro. My Dot Com. That's all just not comfortable. Admitting I think that it should be published I if you know if you WANNA play if you want to understand if you want to understand Germany and World War Two you have to. You have to understand what mine compo honestly that millions of fucking people read that book instead of. Yeah let's go to war of course exactly right like you know. It was written by a man. We understand that but like to ignore it is really dangerous so harmful Madison Rashes and you would think Timothy McVeigh has one hundred fifty pages worth of some journal write or whoever unabomber manifesto right. Don't you WanNa read the I mean don't you the FBI's reading that shit absolute on you can read it but we shouldn't be the other thing is that I don't understand is do they think fit the Nazis were. How did they think they felt towards Muslims? Like don't they don't wouldn't they want to understand that like the care. Purportedly is trying to protect the interests of Muslims. And Yanni's you're thinking right all the time. I don't so Amazon. They're you're gonNA tell him not to publish books. Yes I the list longer than mine confidence civil wet. So that's the other thing we'll get me. We're just basically setting up ASAS. This guy is I always ask. What's the line that's all? A trump writes a book. Is that out. I mean it's the same five arguments for good by Donald trump junior right. Where where do you decide? masterful masterful work. This is not hate speech or this is hate sp.. There's there's a book out there. A couple of books out there that advocate for punishing gay people for the crime of being gay punishing woman for Asking for a divorce right. I mean Iran in the Bible. Yeah nothing goes. Books are crazy to ban them the great film. Not the not the remake but the original the one thousand nine four classic directed by her Ross Started Kevin Bacon John Lithgow and Lori singer Lee movie. The kids call footloose off. You've ever seen that film we're not based on your life story. Well listen if there had been no dancing. I wish I would've fucking taken on down terrible remake made some twenty twenty five years later but at one point in in this small town and I'm happy to say when my drives across the country I jumped off in this little town in Utah. Shot the movie and so some of the locations. That's much enjoyed the film. footloose as a kid. They're burning books. Reverend Shaw Moore himself John Lithgow. The bad guy has a momentary says. We can't be doing this. This has to stop. I make the same passion speech. This this guy. Let's hope so. I mean I don't really understand. Maybe he'll convince you baby who you could be. I just want to know how. How does it help Muslims in America to do this? We're going to ask him a lot of questions. Asked this guy to kill timing thirty. We sure do car right now. A few more questions. He just to send me leave us a five hundred more books. I call him this real quick Michael Setting up Roberts joining You're an attorney correct. I know I'm not hooking up three. Oh I think oh this is attorney Steve. No I'm just trying to figure I totally random aside. Did you see the the wanting Selma yesterday. The Harvey Weinstein Settlement. Now I did it. Oh he settled for twenty five million with bunches people. I'm trying to figure if he can still be prosecuted Legal Eagle. You'd probably not the guy that I find is I'm not the guy he did it. I hope he is. Oh No shit right. I mean Jesus above the law. No no correct so So I think we just have a disagreement here which I think is great and I appreciate you coming on to talk about. I think it's dangerous. Just I just think it's a dangerous thing thing to tell people not to sell stuff or they can't do this or can't do that like I think a book like I'll just pick my comp is actually important. Historically written by the worst persons ever lived but you can learn from stuff in there. I think. Sure so Mine compasses historical document and the politically incorrect guide. Civil War is not mine. Convert the book. It's a drag to read. Your doral researcher historical a researcher and I I was a bachelor in history at Umass Amherst. You're looking to read that understand. How like an ethnic National Fascist anti-semites come? I'm the air genocidal leader like Hitler power. Or you're an advocate against anti-semitism wants to deconstruct that book Get it from your local library by from the neutral publisher. Your publisher permit with annotations deconstruct. Hitler's arguments Why are you you telling people why? Why can't the adults have their own line of thinking? Why can't Kirkman the Haner twenty-year-old Kirkman Hanner a fourteen year old Kirkman and on the way to Florida to perform or something? Why can't he just read that book and come to his own thoughts? Why are you telling somebody Amazon to to shape? The way they think you know what I'm actually asking the Amazon to repurchase all its own offensive and controversial materials policy. You can't find on Amazon you can't buy. KKK Robin Hood Last week after popular outcry they removed Austrian themed Christmas ornament earlier this year. They removed back map that had versus macron or symbols of the Sikh religion right this is their own policy right. They removed products at the incite. Racial intolerance promote organizations such US care believes region republishing republishing the publisher of the politically incorrect guys. The civil war the group that says the South Have the moral high ground than civil war that this the war northern aggression. We don't believe this is a group that really hits Amazon seller model and again Amazon isn't a public square. They're not your local park there. A private Retailer they get to choose who sell on their platform This isn't really a libertarian. Argument where this is the open market market. No I guess not but I mean where's the line like do you want do you think. Donald Trump writes a book should Amazon not publish that it really. It depends what he's saying there. Donald trump is making antisemitic argument. WHO's again don't you think that some people can perceive something's antisemitic and I'm not saying whether it's in trump's book or whatever and obviously my compass different than the I understand that argument but one person's thought then to antisemitic Semitic some people may say? It's not look we know it. My conference antisemitic. I would I would agree with that. I don't arguing knows argument that this this is promoted by a publisher that again it in its response to care asking Amazon Amazon to consult its own policy. It was so upset to say how dare care say the confederacy tied to white supremacy. When you can read the Own Documents and letters to Jefferson Davis and that was a core component of the confederacy help. But why do you care no pun the Teddy Eddie. Like that's great and just to take a step back. My Name's Robert Shaw. How government affairs director with the counseling American Islamic Lesions were Muslim so rights advocacy group? We're big on the one of the reasons. Why are you are you are you based in? DC or no we're based in DC job working there for eight and a half years director iphone se Robinson down there or no F C Robinson Auden said looking for. Okay it's fine. We're trying to fight. It was an old guy soothe but God but God continue. Yeah Yeah so great I'm I'm I'm originally from Boston Carpetbagger came down. I live in Virginia. I work in. DC I like to go hunting right. That's about an hour south of where I live in. Virginia Jinya go down. There it's a lot of confederates. Yup I go hunting It's the same area where the sheriff called an anti Muslim trainers from noted anti-muslim awesome hate groups to train their police if my thumb when he gets old enough to come with me. My Life's been golly my son's Brown I'm in federal territory. I I'm I'm concerned about his safety right. You don't have those types of concerns in Massachusetts but if I see that Amazon a large retailer selling pro confederacy book that a historical and watches Slavery you know Amazon has a policy to take care of this stuff. I'm just asking them to consult their own rules right right. I don't want to make sure my kids state in Virginia. So Robert. Is there anything in the politically incorrect guide to the civil war that advocates for slavery or four white supremacy or. Does it just take a different. Look the pro southern look at the civil war it basically it glosses over slavery. It really says that white supremacy wasn't a part of the confederacy. You know it was It says that actually it does say that the Fourteenth Amendment was never constitutionally ratified and as the white supremacist argument that has has been rejected by the Supreme Court the Fourteenth Amendment for those that don't know the one that You know accepted citizenship for free slaves right so it sounds like you have differences of agreement or differences of opinion with the author over items of historical debate. I it's not just the OPT appear though again. It's the publisher and they say they're conservative. But when I need conservatives usually conservatives don't that doesn't mean pro confederate right these were curator let's just sate. Let's just let's just say this okay. Let's say there are assholes out there in the world today who still think that the south was right in. There should be slave. Let's say there's an asshole out there where he writes a book so you re so peop- so people read it in in some people read most people think it's fucking ridiculous in life goes on I I mean I absolutely life does go on but you know Amazon is a private retail. We we can if you read the books in question or at least familiarize yourself self with them and drove drew these conclusions. Then why aren't other people allowed to do the same thing. Why are you much smarter than other people that you can come up with this conclusion in buzz? Can't these books are all not at all but again I'm just calling Amazon out on. Its Own. Call these and if they say they're supposed to a tribute books like this. Then you know what I don't want some young fourteen year old kirk to get radicalized reading this thinking. Oh Jeez this do you have any. Do you have any evidence that the politically incorrect guide to. The civil war has radicalized. Anyone what I'm saying is this is. John is part of the larger neo confederate moving in the United States and that does radicalized when you have that rally in Charleston. You've got people waving confederate flag next to Neo Nazi flags and they both. I have the same concern. I guarantee you if you went through that day and ask those idiots. If they've read any of these books they wouldn't know what the hell you're talking about but I bet some of dickers- there have but if Amazon if you ban Amazon bans that it's like prohibition they're going really get these things anyway and they're just giving their combined make them angrier. Erica there's the First Amendment Career Publishing and they can scrape together the money they can sell that book you know. That's what they can do. Is We as regularly but you know what they we. We have a right as consumers at Amazon to say. Hey I like what you do I didn't know you had a neon detection on your website or you have a A pro confederacy section on your website as a consumer. I don't support organizations that sell these types of materials. I'll take my money to walmart and your own instead of rallying other people to pressure them. Why can't use I don't think rallying other people pressure I think jet flooding like-minded affecting any any other groups? They were the only I take it. AS Roma's it's it's Halsey Offi. It's I'm sorry it's thinly veiled book burning. That's what I think not not at all because I think during that book look. I'm not saying this can't publish it. Will you are saying that booksellers. The boat seller how choice on whether they want to order more or not short that is a private entity that makes the choice for its corporation with you but I think any ethics Inc I think is aww sure but I think where it gets tricky so you might show the Court of course here. It's your choice whatever you want but I would say work gets very tricky for me is what I said. Earlier is then if Donald Trump writes something or Ted Cruz pick whoever Kellyanne Conway writes a memoir and she is something. There's somebody construes as antisemitic or anti Muslim or whatever. Then you know then you're lying exists. Now you're GONNA want them to ban that book and then well if you're at at this person wrote that in the line never just keeps moving all the time that that's a trump that is very anti Muslim or anti here. I will taught by allowed to publish that book. We know hundred telling consumers. I'm don't agree with me. Join me and saying. Don't buy it instead. You wrote a book with the opposite opinion instead of just shaming people from buying. I know what you're facts as what I did. I wrote a press release and so I did exactly what you told me to do. I wrote a Presley Amazon. Today Amazon would get your own role in agreement me rate so Robert Robert S. Macabre will. Thanks for coming on and I will say this if you ever run into Esi Robinson. He's sort of underground ground guy the DC sleuth. DC If you ever see him stuck them in the is insane airway. We'll just say to him this. Please want us for years. It was unseasonably mild mild in Moscow last Tuesday all right okay thank you very much appreciate. It advocated one youtube. There you go I mean hi Mike very passionate I fool one of his best performances. Well where they the words sound so good up here in a naked. There's there's a what would you get into the moment so no. I think that's one ones we going in circles like your last question though about your our point about book burning. If those books aren't sold they will go to the incinerator. This is book brochure. And by the way I don't really want anybody read my confidence. Obviously and this is like I don't care I I don't care for any reason or not but the idea that you know. Academics will get it from Amazon as well. So when you're saying about advocating burning books in two thousand twenty nineteen when you're saying San does and it's just not allowing anyone to sell. It would not just that but no Amazon. And then no barnes and noble strangling it. You're saying and my thing thing is well you know he said so if Donald Trump writes his memoirs it'll be the number one bestseller and he's saying in you know they're going to think something antisemitic in there whether or not yes. So they're going to call for that book to be banned. Well it's about what he thinks he if he wanted. Your best point is is sort of this. Well you know I'm smarter than you. I'm I'm GonNa tell you I'm GonNa tell you what Song you shouldn't listen to him to tell you what books you should burn or movies. You should see your Nazi. Don't go see Richard Jewel because of this. Don't don't think don't Yolk inclusion about whether or not they painted this woman this way but also if you think it's wrong so there's do take this podcast for example you think what the globe and all the liberal media with these people so you do a podcast saying this is wrong. You don't say these papers shouldn't be sold this if the global thrilled well you know what I mean. Yeah uh-huh picketing outside saying shut this place down. Why does not yet nuts instead? Why does he read a book? Saying here is the point. Is I mean you just talk to this guy you think that's going to be a press. Release he said we want me to do it. We're press release but it's sort of. It's just this this immediate like and this guy's a hardcore left-winger winger right right. I think so I mean oh I'm you. CARE is a left wing organization in the left. Wing's reaction is ban ban books Ban this burn miss you know defend the FBI. Burt like what is going like. What the fuck is going on there and everything head on the theme of the Slippery Slope The author of that a book about the civil war has also written a defence of British empire and the Catholic Church? So how long these very into this Civil war book very defensive. I was the one one plays. I have rabbits back. is of all people to correct pronunciation something let's see Robinson chiming in the published rectory publishing company. I worked at all. It's rights writes. Oh that's why it defensive. Both author of the book got me the job which one which book The political off popping a book at all or no gun no not pumping the book. I'm just saying well even then like books so the talk of the South is right. That book right. Yeah Yeah James Rama Kenny Walter. Donald Kennedy is. These are two brothers who wrote a book saying the Celtics right about the civil war. Yeah okay this is the book. You're talking about her. No no no the Louis incorrect one. So let's just say these two idiots think the south was right all right. I think the south is how many books have been published saying the south was like how many. What kind of despair did we you really need? And by the way the core argument south wrong. I mean I don't know why is that. So if you're going to be in Dr you're you're gonna find this stuff anyway. If you're that big of a psychopath if you go to these rallies talk to these shithead skinhead idiots. They're fucking reading being any books. No He's right. The leaders may have read some stuff but also they're crazy anyway right like you're just doesn't matter I mean you take a guy like MHP or Kelleher. The her someone like that to equals. Sure you take someone like that. If this show goes away tomorrow they find something else because we had some message board at some restaurant. Whatever talkers people? Find things to become obsessed with them. That's their whole. I would say her fortune or some dark corner. The Internet is far more likely to radicalize somebody than mine com dry drive. Dr Thousand Nineteen Social Media. This idea that like you know great. You bought you banned from Amazon. Also what does what does care said about the isis isis videos. That are circulating on Youtube today. Did they want those taken down because the proven radicalized because of asked him. But I don't again. I think these documents is in. He didn't disagree with this. But these are important documents just to learn how these fucking maniacs think referenced Jefferson Davis's letters saying this is how you know that the confederacy was pro white supremacy should Jefferson Davis's letters. Don't read those you would say yes to that right. I would think so. You think fritzy's comedy should be banned. Well that's another he does. Does he do Jewish stuff. Yes or no I have a feeling yes or no Steve. There might be some jokes in there. Just say Jewish joke Steve. Sorry Jesus God Judy. I imagine they're about as basic as you hear Steve Right away. It was Ju- jokes and she says Oh my God look you WanNa searches searches twitter history. Knock yourself out. I'm just saying there's stuff in there is no no don't do that. It's amazing it's amazing about those jokes. The old jokes on twitter. They are as Tacky as you think. Oh I'm sure that's by far the most offensive thing. I'm sure they are in. It's all the same like what's what was the red sox released Sushi. Does she sushi Japanese cold now. The lefty Matsuzaki. NOPE that's not even any racist racist. How Vacuum Adecco Kajima okay? Yeah number the lefty in it's like Okajima is Japanese. Four war can't get the ball over the plate like it's literally nineteen jokes like that. I just did you be fired for that. He's just not you know. Sorry Matt Zucca right almost dice. Que Yeah yes. That'll be baseball guy. What I understand? That was clear. It's not so this guy. Young Regulatory Publishing someone finding new Matsuzaki. What are we doing here interesting though that he never I mean you would think that the FCC Rodman me this would be a known guy? Yeah this guy was India deal with this guy or no no. I never had any run INS with care no Different opponent of yours are now well. I mean they've taken council on American Islamic Relations. This is a real thing or no. Oh yes a huge organization and it really influenced people yes they're the preeminent preeminent mouthpiece of Muslim marriage bully people in the fears. That what they do okay. I did enjoy. I'm not sure why you care hard. I was when I was looking at their website. They have a little link where you can pay your cot if you feel so inclined. Oh why do you feel inclined for this Indicates the which Oh the These books are also part of Timothy McVeigh's bombing. Well I mean you know. I don't know what to say to them. I think the more important books Timothy McVeigh were the ones that taught him how to use the diesel fuel to make explosives. I don't know maybe maybe he would want to focus on banning. The anarchist's cookbook or you should you. Should you ban if you search into Google how to make bomb or how to do any of this shit. Should that not be allowed. Because that'll that'll help these people. You can buy the instruction manual to make a nuclear bomb on Amazon right right and you know and I'll be honest on this like I would never buy it ever but I'm not sure Amazon should be told they shouldn't sell swastikas. I was Gonna say that you know. Hey there's a difference between historical value and I just don't think like confident at Christmas. I would never be if anybody bothered. I think they're fucking racist asshole. Oh creep fuck head. But why am I telling somebody. They can't buy that putting their house right. It kind of helps you identify creeps. I Yeah I mean I guess. Remember the story that I sent him as four of them on right now I visited Steve's house doorn trump this means troubling the story. I sent you about the newspaper newspaper up in Maine that did the stories about the white. Supremacist Oh yeah on. FACEBOOK interface. Guy To their front page was the Facebook F in the style of of a swastika. Because you know facebook was doing anything to crack down. That's a whole nother debate but Hannaford through the newspapers outside. You can't sell these newspapers because your logo kind of resembles assemble of hate but at the same time Hanford has a delicious Bakery in the morning lots so to me. I'm I'm with them on that one but like you know I walk into some Guy's house all kidding aside and he's got a bunch of Nazi stuff they were in Western mass for a live show royal best. But you know that'd be I would be like the fuck is wrong with that guy would leave. This is really weird but at the same time I wouldn't say you know. What asshole would you buy this? Yeah where the fuck did you get this off his wall the Jerry Callahan's Co host curt schilling. I was going to say that. So Schilling Has World War Two memorabilia. Do I think that's creepy. That people will do that shirt like the people people's World War Two especially people get obsessed as we are the little battles and stuff like that and whatever find people into trains. I don't understand it like Neil young has a massive like Neil Young's obsessed with ability. He's like Bobby Bokola into trey and it's very strange like the hat and everything so I don't get that anyway. Schilling isn't extensive war or to memorabilia collection right and people were Hillary Sergeant wrote about How like basically this cousin Nazi well you know if you're GONNA if you're go in World War Two memorabilia collector like you're gonNa have just yeah? I mean they fought the Nazis only American stuff. They just may not make it. Go Away get rid of it. That's insane thinking now. It's more insane to think like the Nazis. Did I understand that that'd be like doing. Let's make glorious bastards. It looks like the movie where Brad Pitt and the Bassett did just hang out. They'll find anybody each other for one more insane to think like the Nazis do but the Nazis did book burnings. The Nazi's tried to rewrite history. The Nazis tried to have access is is the von Trapp. He'll be for singing. That wasn't right. Inglorious aureus bastards is going to be what people are like. Oh yeah that's how he should have died. So that's what it's going to be Donovan. Sure I know thinking. Why are we even having Hitler in the movie movie right you know? Why are we even having? What's his face movie? Hitler never exists. There was no way it'd be nice if Hitler was kind of you. Know like sort of was a part of the half nitwits. All the batches just play baseball. Use The baseball bat. Actually just play baseball baseball game. That's all yeah like why are they. Why are they over even over there? You know it doesn't I don't know the one one time I did almost lose it in the interview when you said Maybe I should just let the slide and leave it for the deep deep listeners. But when you sit when I or if I'm going down to Florida to perform well I think sometimes we have somebody somebody who just clearly is not a boo but just is not you gotta play play around on. Got To have a little bit of fun. 'cause I mean you know we'll get criticized for people like you can't win eh as I'm learning. I'm trying to think my time but people are going back. I didn't like that I wanted you. Guys a fuck around more and more stuff like that didn't get angry enough at the guy even yell aromatic you made a guy yesterday the guy legitimately want pornography band. Okay I mean what am I gonNA fucking do. It's never going to happen. Amazon is not going to stop selling. Well I don't know uh-huh I come there. They will. They will now but they won't they would not sell Donald Trump book though. Because there's money there yes right. That's where it gets interesting. I wonder how many copies of mine conflict sell. Why is this guy? Like Jesse Jackson's written books right. Yes do not refer to New York. City is a Jewish. Sure did so she get rid of those books and those books he worked with. Martin Luther King. Yeah so you get all Martin. Luther King's documents. He said you know. I don't know so we call a slippery sloop this slippery est of all yes wetter than your mom and the Tuesday night Mike. If you will sure Tuesday's not a particularly high energy night for although she is dry Sahara yes the other thing is if you just search that guy needs to be with Erica. Jeez Geez. I didn't hear that didn't hear any correction if you just search Mein KOPF. PDF you could just find it everywhere online for free so this is just a symbolic thing. Yeah what's the other commitment to pay for it. I mean I I don't know I mean it's just I don't know what's going on. Why is happy because trump won? Well the the other point of care has always been kind of radical and they like to do things to draw attention to themselves like any nonprofit group. They need to be busy. They need to do activities so they can go to their donors and say hey we we tried to get these books banned. Give us more money. Why there's an element of that? Why did he break into? It was offended that you didn't say his name. I autry broken by the way. My name is rubber mccaw. He didn't he didn't hear Kirk set him up and he's probably used to being welcomed on to CNN or Fox or something like that with his full introduction seemed Auteuil Dushi from it. His brother's listening. Well now he's a fan. He's got his brother's Barstool go. Oh yes I think that. Might be part of the reason why he agreed to do. The interview in Nineteen eighty-four Jesse Jackson speaking to Washington Post reporter Milton Coleman referred to Jews as hymies in New York City. Hymie town yeah later apologize Murphy. Today yes get about crafts. I mean so should always books be banned hit me. Jesse Jackson probably written twenty books. Right and Eddie Murphy should be banned from making fun of it. I I mean I think it should all go I mean pat. Buchanan has gotten tr- I you know I don't know like I don't know what the what's the line great anti-semites supposedly history. I read the A Scott. Berg book is limbic. Oh Yeah Right. So Joe Kennedy in so yes so. Shall we all literature Bloomberg be no no. I'm just saying the things that bother me. I mean I don't know what I mean. I think all the Kennedys wealth should be confiscated because of Joe. Ken whether I mean you know. How do you have any money left to the Kennedys cities? They made a lot of money he was. He was the chairman of the SEC Commissioner of the SEC while he was engaging in stock markets that you're talking about the old man. I'm saying like all the money comes from him. But I'm saying these losers. Earn a fucking dime sues trust. They've all been they've all been rolling around other settlement money every other divorces on the settlements he made a huge you money he set up that for generations. We'll be dealing with the candidates. That movie sucked the one the couple of years ago. Not Chapter thoughts. You traffic sucks. Yeah you sound like your boss now. 'CAUSE I had him on it was made. Take any like sympathetic. I send links so you can watch that for free. I watched it. Thank you what you want me to say because you just said it thank you. Of course Steve Said and say thank you at the time would see some you can watch it for free. You know like those. This is on. I didn't never never never dealt with. This link did send you some. It's true no this so you could pick out which parts through. It's not that's fine but they may take Kenny O.. To be sympathetic and thoughtful foil and told them in the end the end is a hero and he gives that totally. I've never heard anyone say that. The movie was too favorable to Ted. Ted Kennedy wait too favourable at right after the car accident. He says I'll never be president again. Awhile boy that's really boy. He just killed someone. Yeah but I mean that is a damning. That is the damning shot at his character that the first thing he goes in the rest of the movies has his crisis and then at the end. He's like a hero. He gives that speech. It's a total asking liberal festival. I was disappointed I saw the next day I was stunned with. How wrote that? Call Him I was like a fucking shitting me. Jerry likes to to right now. He's between you. He was right in the middle. I would say on that one as usual. Didn't have take on this one. You say something in there with the book thing though is like at the end of the day. How many people are buying these books on Amazon? Like what are you. Okay if you win as a Mike comp I could be ten million could be one year are being sold of my comp. I mean me personally. Six or seven sure. I understand that you hang them out for Christmas Christmas. That was weird nutrients as a new translation. Once every couple of years I shook at the checkout section on building highways saying like this guy had a vision overstepped his boundaries. Steve Wise so dog-eared like I'll even say this like I would guess that they probably sell books on Amazon about the history of the Cincinnati Reds March march. Shot was the owner for a while. Like you know perform should they not sell the. I'm being serious like what's the I prefer Bill West interpreting. That was fun but I mean does that mean like Whoa. I mean we can go through all the famous anti Jewish book. I don't know who knows. Walt Disney Walt Disney. I Bet I bet there are some books that are very Left wing and in progressive that advocate for tearing down Western civilization tearing down the patriarchy. Sure that I mean they should all be allowed. It's fine I mean they're totally radical feminist municipal. His Account Tomorrow Bin Laden had written the two hundred fifty page book and then two thousand three or something. I read it. That's publish it. I I mean I don't I I don't know if I'd like where the money was going for them to know that before I bought it but let me remind is somebody who put together this horrific attack against our country so it could be read by people. And then in my mind be enact against it. Howard I know you're a smart guy that we got to protect the dummy dopes and there are plenty dopes out there? I'm not denying you there but you know I. I don't know who knows. I guess I don't move. He was terrible and like you know it is amazing to me how Ted Kennedy is still viewed by the left is like this. I mean this is a guy. Liberal Lion fucking essentially sexual harassed healthcare air murderer. I mean just liberal just a pig environmental bells. Yes aware of rapes belt Obama. Awful human being fucking pig GIG and you get A. I don't know who knows. Oh I did. Listen to Bill Simmons for a little bit. Okay Yeah. We talked about this with Simmons and chuck classroom. You know him. He's a writer they were talking about. The Hillary Clinton starting sex drugs and cocoa puffs. They loved it they were. I thought I have to be fair but critical Simmons Lady. Who's actually pretty good at that? Okay Yeah because costume was like Oh he was sort sort of more of the boys stearns evolved and Simmons was like. He's he's turned Simmons Bass like it's I heard. Echoes of stuff. When I heard Simmons Talk Okay because somebody reached out to me and said hey you should check out simmons podcast It sounds like he's been listening to kirk takes. They've been so I don't know I don't know that I don't know if he listens annoyed. Yeah but I put maybe just things the big start fantastic. He's like there's no safe place to go now. This this idea that you know Hillary would have won if she went there a couple. I have no idea but he was like basically like stearns. It's kind of boring. I was a shitty interviewer. I was pressing. Simmons said that I saw the polling that came out this week that has Hillary Clinton hypothetically if she jumps in above Biden jumping in accordance. According coming back I mean you're GonNa get that stern bump imagine if she has any impact at all they gave me an America. Heard it statistically you know like. I don't think they've heard it here. She she came across for her really. Well Yeah but if that's the hillary that's gonNa run and so able to use the I got screwed for years ago. Let's correct that kind of thing I guess but I think it's GonNa be real fatigue though. Nothing's changed yeah. I think she's back but there might be enough for her to maybe win. The nomination may be but I think people are gonNA be discussed. If she she craters I mean she might have more support in California New York but the states that really counted in the Electoral College Statement Changed Owners Show so look if she she's running. Oh being sexist. Yeah Well Job Steve. I mean Jesus come on the sequel has never quite as good you know sequel say my three from Hillary is going to be as fun as time and then sin but Simmons classroom and said that Hillary Clinton when she ran for president was the most qualified presidential candidate. History Will Obama said that right I remember and I thought well you know. I don't know I think I'd put George Bush the first George Bush ahead of her. That may also. What does that mean? Because she was the first lady and Secretary State Senator Senator George Bush had been committed. CIA Vice President for eight years. Something people say to make them feel good most disqualified ever to do while should feel like I don't know there was this Guy Eisenhower. I feel like he had some qualification and he ran for president. You know. I don't know what does that even mean I mean you're talking to like BURP and poetry. get naked in front of foreign leaders him it so I mean that it. I don't S. I mean you know the protocols for meeting with a foreign dignitary is that that it and I have no idea. Who's going to win this nomination? I changed my mind every day. I don't think by I think people will get too scared of Biden GonNa be Biden people like was they just don't like Elizabeth Warren Orange. That's fair or not they. Just don't more peace giles mayor piece hanging in hanging in. He's just going to get like one or two black people to vote for mm-hmm well okay. It's a start and then you move away you get one or two and then you get you go. I don't know I mean but there's nobody else Bernie Sanders. I gotTa Win. So many yeah Biden will be competitive in Iowa and New Hampshire and these sweep the south. That's probably true in these breath the most money and you know right. I don't know if he has the most money. I mean the most money is i. Theoretically unlimited. Spent more nervous put together. I think I just saw. Yeah yeah maybe he has because I think styles only spent I'm I'm it but I'm saying the people of a chance Andrew Yang is going to be in the next maybe three percent. Now we're talking. We think Yang is gonNA make a real run those Yang research under Maria. I tell you if he had come on. This show might be doing better in New Hampshire and Iowa question might get the bill. Yeah that's true. You should have done a live show in Iowa before for norring US getting true. I don't like that what's Well I mean they they you know these guys don't know any better but he's been on Marty did an interview with. PF T my Guy Young. He was on what he Pat Interviewed Him. Oh Oh that's like a quick youtube video or something that's political though owners owners. Yeah it was. It was promoted on the the front page of the way it's political. Pf Do you understand though. He's as a main man and he'd be like Steve contributed to the book. Yes okay very good kid. I wonder how K. Marco feels about the Mugabe hand debate. That's true okay. Markers and author author. He doesn't want books been. He hasn't been the antisemitic drink. Potions and there doesn't screaming Nazis. I used to drink Robertson. Yeager Meister Shit. All I guess I should give them that book that the book will be ban by Amazon. Really very really funny. The minute entry you said in my parents put it together and fill that burn right. Search a hundred proof. Surprised you didn't ask for an entry in the book my well my now is a is a coke so I don't know much help dig back some beer. Yeah that's true I guess As a book doing so doing well I haven't checked Nielsen Books. Canley presumably it selling very well I was surprised. Porno yes lords minute. Early build sewing. 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I'm going say I just need to know what what am I gonNA be when they're gonNA be on. Radio was okay and as rigs and Tommy knows guys to are on that. How come well decide? Okay all right fine so be such big last year might concern because I care about the podcast is is going to be going to be able to do that. Daily right correct okay. Then the I'm looking forward to it. I'm T- player. I don't you know whatever you needed. I insist guy was moaning that you had to go by delights likes ridiculous. Do you WanNa address my Gary Though by Mike is and you want to say the him. He's in the room. You want apologized him for for that attack a month ago or and he's not recovered apology accepted. Don't even worry about it. No no part you love me deep down this this uh found but the fact that you hate me as absurd. You don't hate me to meet you and I I hate it what I got closing for a long time and I can hear the same but he obviously. He's saying he loves me and HE'S AFRAID I'm GONNA kick his ass roughing around if we can get legally sanction. If we could do legal you would find them. All right own. Not Work is fine. That say if you if you could if we made it sanctioned thank you we got legally covered you would fight him right. I mean even the most. The site was the CY of fear. He's afraid of me now. Well you you seem bill on and on the King's you've found the ball up no win situation for Dave if I get a couple of shots and then he looks bad if he if he takes my now. That's not it at all. It is a win I think thank you know lot of people who all white me what I wanted Jamie beaten up a blind guy the person to go on it but you can't you can't care somebody to be more isn't the satisfaction of punching making the face greater than worrying about what some critic says greatly satisfied yet. The guy on the back of the head works for project. What so all right? So I'm GonNa go there and do this stuff with you and then what else anything else you need me to do. While I'm down there and then you want me to do them. I'm just looking for some. You know I've been down there a bunch of times but if there's anything else like am I gonNa have to socialize with the other barstool. People are going to be doing like videos. What am I doing? You're not gonNA have to social. They only allow people who go with you to do it. I just WanNa make sure I just want to make sure I'm doing the job that's all. I'm sure everyone says I'm not as good employees and not grateful. I'm an asshole. I'm trying to be a team player. That's all I'm just who says they blew. Hey we're we're saying Oh you know the Marco's the Willie colognes that crowd. You know that but people here. I'm wonderful with yeah. Well I'm looking forward to. We'll do a good job. I'll do a good job for you down. I appreciate appreciate the. I appreciate the support in the offer. I'm going to go down there and kick some ass you in Miami. I'm GONNA do it. Be People who own. Aw Baby with her correct KRESA. What's the lodging situations cut can have to have a roommate? No crocus higher hotel right wealthy about the goal we choose to WHO radio third. What are you laughing at my relax? It's just every time I wanNA have dave on every weeks. We can listen to his phone break where you break in and out with us. I don't know what the connection is. I don't get it. I don't even flown. I I actually waffle so I want to go on a praties going back. And you're going to you're going tomorrow. Yeah Yeah Yeah I got to say we had Jerry Gary and the other day to that was I going to say that you didn't excellent job with the fucking like I don't feel like in a weird way like he's given enough credit for the no Oh athlete or person is more responsible for charity. The quarter of a billion dollars like it's unbelievable it really is uh-huh much wealth challenge. Thank up right. Seize cost horseback. He tried to get him to call us back weeks. I'm GonNa talk about this although I understand why this fucking cell phone works. He's in the office that's what he said he came back. So I wouldn't have to deal with this. I thought maybe I didn't understand it. WELL YEAH IS HE A. You're on your. Are you in the office on the cell phone. Yeah me and my aunt I mean I'd never ask myself so much better now. Maybe it was just maybe it was no. But you're saying you knew Pete even before. Yeah I knew him before. The ice bucket challenge he grew up in my backwoods and I say lucky enough. I was lucky enough to meet him. You know he was still he could still speak fairly fluently And we did the polar challenge just fan of Borstal all right and in grew up in my neck and it was something it. I've said it a lot. It seemed like one of those things. If you believe in a thing where where he was the host Joe because the way he handled it all of it they really have made a difference. That very few people in their life will make so Yeah let's that obviously pass but it is time was is probably up at. You couldn't really do anymore than he already did. Yeah it's crazy I I was saying when I met him like once or twice in like I dealt with his family. Nobody you know much better than I do with my parents past years ago. The Mom Nancy wrote me like the nicest longest note of anybody. I think I got from from anybody in the process like in she. Didn't you need to do which I didn't know where it all and it was totally pathetic and I think about her and the dad and having a G- watching your kid go through this fucking. It's fucking hell they you know it's it's it's fucking sucks. Yeah and the families unbelievable. I'll great as though they're Andrew Although Wola. Aw that's terrible but you know they. They did more for that disease. I anybody that I'm aware of. I mean they started where it was the polar plunge idea what's a couple of hundred people all right. Even Denver Swans got those. Although there were up for like I think time per year the point I mean they they have a are. They don't say much but they really can't change the world for the all the money they rings and everything. We do so believable L. or movies Oh for sure yeah. Do you think like a guy like a good looking. Good athletes. Smart guy taken away with in the middle. Don't you almost wish to give until like a blind nine stupid underachieving idiot Ryan get. LS Get over to roll over and over thirty times as you fuck. That's true by the way if you if my L. S. he'd lived for like twenty minutes after the diagnosis can bitch on strike. It'd be like this outrage weren't able to cock sucker like he'd it'd be like oh the old. LS had a lot of guts fucking pussies. Yeah very mother go fuck yourself just saying one of my things with Frady's I gave him a hard on on all the people like I want to hit his book. Signing parking male all spoke and not so all I call the channel and the crew and I was there frady radio text with me with about five and brother Andrew. He's like a couple of words. I refused because I'm like listen. I was long before these guys. Put me at the end of this speech. You got another thing coming. I'm not giving you any always physical with him appreciative about what's the worst part. His brain is functional. Totally them. Yeah for using it. Wasn't he was plus falls far so oh you know I always talk to. The people will be criticized. They say the Al Rian. I it's so so you thought in the whole with the whole when you would talk to. You thought a lot of sympathy should have gone to you because you'll be issue with the CAP. Churn guy on how what a great guy true so you think some of the the thing tomorrow should be honor you as well kind of at the. Yeah Okay what about this. I've concerned about you as a friend. My boss when anybody dip their toe into the restaurant world I feel like it's a very shaky the investment. I'm I I think you'll do very well but I'm concerned why well because because a lot of these restaurants go under very very early on you know people told me when I started a new newspaper business the business needs i. Did I think everything for whatever we succeeded at. What is there's going to be different for? Give me an idea when I walk into this pizza place. Are we talking like old school. It's not going to be all gimmick up and stupid right Ramsey. My fucking pizza. It's GonNa be good and I'm getting out I it. It's like just as much imitable along. Reports are very premature. There's a long way from this thing happening but if it does it's it just as much about the nightlife and the far than okay okay. So it's kind of like. Oh okay so it's GonNa be a club as well so it's like a bar and the wrong but it it like if you watch football game. Oh so it's getting all I was thinking it's going to be your basic so I thought it'd be a basic sort of dingy old school in The York. You Work Walk in get your pizza taste. Good Leave and Oh no no no definitely not now now more convinced. Never it's GonNa fail because it's a big. It's too big. It's too big an operation. I think you people just want their. I think the I think this is more of a Barstool kiss asses. Erica Pizza Place. Because then it's going to be a smash is Eric evolved in this or now it's Well both report miles far along as his involvement would be. Erica would be involved in it but we're not running. It went up restaurant restaurant or as they call it are you. Are you flipping me. Do what's bothering you right now at Barstool what's your what's your biggest gripe Not In the holidays coming up I I went off a big every every day. I saw that. Yeah took a little bit of all. Because he's also allston said he wasn't fighting karate guy own explanation next much of applying biking while the the little bit that I mean you're aware movable and always yelling at them you know I'm no not at all but by the way I gave you an. You probably didn't notice this 'cause you never never pay attention to the podcast which I appreciate because that's also good but I gave you plenty of credit the other day when I texted you about the the hoodie thing. If you remember that or not what do you think the exactly remember. I remember. I said there was. There was some issue the Hoodie thing. And you sell took care of that right away. And I I said I've never worked for bosses like I have blown you and Erica America or whatever that versions of Erica. For months the best bosses have ever had in my life. I I cannot be clear enough for that. Well if people have issues we I think there are legitimate issues martial art but yes can you take a copy data who take wrap them Rama. What is that fair point? Good point I think have trouble with praise. I think giving giving ego. I think part of you can't say hey you know what Kirk thank you. I appreciate appreciate that. Thanks a lot. I don't need I'll when I'm at they can pray features. This free folks next. May I feel great. Everybody says that's that's that's again uterit- to find dying tragic accident. That doesn't of course it does of course is it to notice thickly if a plane goes on there's nothing to do with Albie pretty crazy if he predicted if I if I kill you right okay. Uh Well I'm looking forward to it. I'M GONNA go down there. We had a good time last year. ATLANTA Hopefully some of these better than the ones we had last year. But we'll see we'll see what that's all. That's our choice. We're not radio row. We get offered and we certainly don't have to say yes to any as your co host for the week live. A voice in this process process did not let Ooh okay well. Let's now monoploy at the company. I think you are aware by the way I want you to know this. Mike is actually an employee of Barstool. You know they don't look too much into that. It's fine I mean that's true. You're he's an employee at borstal. I know he's story about it rob employees. He certainly is Jesus. I'm I'm coming to super bowl. Dave no you are left home. uh-huh more disgusted with me or Steve. Well I'm not really no not discussing Steve at all at this moment I I felt like you had to come up. Come up and scientist Steven good job and by the way he texted me a few weeks and we hope with a good job. I'm doing I appreciate that as well. Thank you and you're doing your. Oh Oh yeah yeah yeah right yes well just saying in mostly if you think if you think it's best to be get rid of Mike that's fine. You have that discussion anytime you like. I have no adequate. Was it weakened mouth. Yeah I mean I not really. I think it's he's going for different market. I think he's going for that sort of over eighty. I put it this way this way. I think I'm competition with your dad over with Jerry Kelly. I think that kind of audience I need Your Dad's GonNa love the Gerry Callahan. PODCAST it'll never be figuring out how it I don't know I so I get these guys all the time who come up to me. And they're like I really Miss Jerry. But they're all like in their late fifties early sixties sixties Cadillac Republicans in their good guys. I don't know if those guys are going to be able to figure out how to listen to a podcast. I know that sounds dumb. But these some of these guys like my dad you know. I had to physically show him. How the download? My podcast talking to a guy who can't figure out how to listen to podcasts. Podcast like your dad like that kind of crowd like if those guys I think it's a small base. It's a loyal base. Jerrell have a really heavy Boston crowd with a bunch of local Milton's and sort of that advertising and I think he'll do okay. I think you'll have as little niche. You know yeah do fine. I hope you know you're I know it's hard. It's hard to start from. Scratch back some local has to be so yeah I remember when that guy from ee. I saw the only way I mean again. That's a that's a talent issue. Though he's limited limited intellectually and talent wise guy on the verge of clue we'll be I hope I'm a perfect world. The would shut their doors. While you and our down to Miami together so we could celebrate. But I think we're getting closer and closer to that real. Yeah yes we play the fifty sound from yesterday. They form and see if he's has the same reaction that you really understand. Steve Steve with six of all time. But you understand. I'll let you go so I'll see you down to Miami then a few weeks if you WANNA talk before and consult. I know you take this show of yours very seriously. You're always planning in spending hours on it. I'm available. Maybe you can help with that. Because I'll around and then we actually. It seems like a shot in rigs and Tommy no replant up. They do or do not they do not. Oh did all this whole thing considering what I said if you have this whole very frequent for the show and rigs out presence. Yeah I always out there Where would you rate now that you know? He's an employee. We would you rate Mike in terms of my dairy bobby toys and very very bothell. I do this You like the least valuable person that barstool right now. The most valuable person you would say is you. I respect that these valuable one would be Mike. Oh Oh no probably not. I mean like Mantis doesn't do a hell of a lot Cher Cher now where we got we got a cripple and a blind guy down has polo career above mantis. It's really mad if you combine mantis in Little Blind Mike. You have like three quarters of human. I'll talk to you later. All right. Thanks see I'm supposed to get like image-boosting last I'm supposed to get mad at that guy out. You know what I mean. Like great. By the way he's phone the second half was tremendous. Yes much better. I mean I liked by comparison. I like the idea. Never had a weekly guests Briley the idea of having a porno every week. That's just not be able to hear it just it was worried about. Jerry is a competitor. I like that. No now. The key is I. I can see him thinking white promoting this fucking podcasts not ours but yeah I think he also understands what. Oh Oh I mean the podcasting world is the guys on the promoter comedians. That's the way it is. Yeah I think it'd be more concerned if we posted something to the blog. That said Gerry Callahan. Launch New podcast. We're not to win description. That's not much so we do for our twitter account just also straight. It's not my account with with with the do. So there you go I mean again. I am a team player. I'm here to help. Boy that is I thought shots fired resigned. Tommy you know I. Let's be. Dave reacted in the moment. I attended his guy but then he started thinking. Maybe there's blind. Mike is on to see how about ric stowe. That's a loser even back could've shot saint now they don't they don't pre plan what are never come into barstool radio. We talk about what the call rigs but he's in Australia right now. The President's Cup so we'll leave. Steve Talk we should talk to rig. He'll be back next week. Let's catch up with him towards the end of next week when these kind of sea legs under him and and we'll see what's going because I did I worked with him. I didn't know rigs at all. I don't WanNa step on his toes. I want you know I won't stab in the back. I like ribs and I didn't know him at at all. I knew the name I didn't know him at all to lash Atlanta and we got along really well they're be Kinda bonded the idiocy of the whole thing and Dave's you know when I say this can be Dave. We're doing every day four to six. It'll be me from four to four forty five because Dave will be doing one of these Atlantic six pizza reviews. So you know racist kind of Guy Hi you steers the ship on that show. He listened to. He's kind of the traditional host right now. I could do that obviously standing on my head sure but I don't want to value on that show. How would the guy with the Greeks have down there? Miami playing golf at some places filming some stuff. Now imagine let me see. They've all got their hustling. Isn't it the the mantra they should always be doing. Stop Play podcast is big big. I mean they're they're in Australia or something in his reason for not being on the show that we could he said well. You know rigs is an Australian social right now so maybe saying he got this benefit. So we're taking them all but that is status sponsor paid. I mean there's no way they just like. Hey we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA fly you guys Australia. How much does that? Trent is there. Air Frankie's their rigs. There probably probably a camera. Somebody do 'cause I saw film. I mean tickets going to be fifteen hundred a piece. At least. It's I flew coach right online. Eh Discount Discount Airlines on the weekends hotels. That's probably fifteen thousand dollar not know my even more than that. Yeah so I mean that's got to be sponsored. which just great like I know? People are still complain. That's awesome if they should be able to do that. No question. I mean that's what Erica said at the very beginning when we started this. was that the people who are getting the listens and and the views they get they get the love. I know I have no problem with that. So we're looking at Steve. A text from big cat says he's got a list of things he wants to talk about where. I talked grievances But he's nothing he might bring up but he wanted me to show you a picture of Andrew Dice. Clay posing with Billy Joel. Why we could say that for the appearance? So you're ready to go now or no. Thanks because we can just throw him on now and let him take because I mean let's be honest. Be The reason I'm going to Miami. Is The son son of a gun. You know. And then I'll be in the next room with some twenty two year old next blaring some fucking music in an appropriate time seven thirty nine. I'm trying to get my sleep. Okay can you turn it down. You're going to be running up and down the hallways Chinese food. You know if he's not if he's ready to go we we can do it now. Some other shit. Ask Him if he wants. Let's see Mike. You text them or no. He's next we can do other. Sports betting free sportsbook. What's book picked Dot Com? It's perfect for big cat. Free sportsbook PICK DOT COM free picks back by actual Vegas handicappers industry-leading sports betting computer algorithms free sportsbook picked DOT COM Free No strings attached. The floor is yours Mike. You're a big win this past Monday. Correct yes I'll be curious. I think I'm eight and five on here from a mistake. So de Luxe decent okay. Not so much a lot of tough game. This week. I'd be interested sue. Big Cat thinks of my the vikings minus two and a half going into Los Angeles to face the charges. Okay my lock of the week. God Jerry podcast on periscope. Oh by the way right now. It's just she's gone looks like he's he had a barnes and noble anyway. Well anyway the vikings minus two and a half inch again against the chargers. Yes you're writing this bite. Trust in this school is what I say cheese. Yes so and then if you want my other picks where do you go. which does you still might WanNa fade? But you can go to a free sportsbook pig dot com where you can get my picks in some people in my no a little more than me. Free Free Twitter counties free be free s we pick on a great friend of the show. WHAT'S UP Steve? We've just watching the Callahan podcast. He's a big. That's not going to be available for a fifteen to twenty minutes soon. Live Jerry's doing yeah. I think he's walking around this hip place the location let me hear it. All right. Hold on you miss. W why this Komo Mellberg this posing in from the bar. Can you see why I want to get rid of your dollar. No there's an odd thing where I guy says I've recognized this Nave Fez says Jerry. Thank God you're back I recognize. Thank God with us. This in many podcast released on. The cal hinders dripping with contempt. There God there's not thing where I like Conan seems to get what this show does and everything but then when you see him at work it's like I don't know. Does he see him on twitter. kind of hate him now. Like I feel like he's stabbed us in the back a little bit but a little bit do a little bit a little bit I do. He's taking again. It's I mean this show. You recommend him for this job. I guess but his Jerry Really Elise Jerry Jerry any different than like. Aj Her or really. What's the difference? I don't see any difference. I'm serious style. I agree with you like what's the difference like Aj. I think Jerry was tweeting yesterday about how he wants to lay on your desk right put on again. Let's say these questions and answers helping yourself. Oh you're calling so excited. This asshole fed. This is what Fez as it because of me. I'm sure the technical people one of submitted local take a look so it says if Jerry likes it I like it. Why don't we always says of Jerry? Lights me ask douchebag during the first periscope to solicit new logos. Did I succeed one. It allowed obnoxious to start that. That logo is nightmare fuel. These kids I just having some fun. I hate call names guts. I him in the Romance Jerry. I know Jerry. He's doing the best he can. I hate that rat. Fuck Yeah when you see me an album. Now we're just a regular a couple of old curmudgeon. You get here on the connector if you're a year ago when we started dating I'd be all giggly. Happy cited Schlepping schlepping from Walpole at Boston. Too is that funny. He's very he's so there you go. I'll be in the city the of Miami for the week. We didn't ask them about the logistics. Though of how you would do Dave knows about the fucking logistic become Kevin. I know more about that doesn't know a thing He did we'll see is peace on pete phrases excellent. I thought that was pricing. Read though because he that isn't a good with that there are selling to be said like he knew him like I don't like this sort of you know halo effect Brian. This was just a regular guy who got a shitty break into an awesome job. Yeah live in an activist and he was a man and he's writing. I would have been like if I fuck this put within my head like just you know. But he steve gleason the same way the gleason we should document. You're still available on an Amazon. Think it's fucking incredible incredible movie. Yeah Yeah what are you laughing at but see Blazin meeting each left. The funky laughing about doc. The flexibility and he'll be laughing at your mouth was moving in sound was coming out. Still thinking of fucking. That's exactly what I'm doing. They say that I was distract. If you put if you put the just the fact that he gets excited asking those quick look what. She's Steve gleason sipping phrases. Great Guy Awesome Athletes Really. And then you get fucking colony can walk around like around. You could do it a second and as you understand that you get the idea that you would curse Dave colonnade with AOL. Wouldn't I'm saying I'd rather have it than Gleaner Pete for eighties okay. He's a productive people and so instead of in addition to no no no no oh thought but that way you in Portnoy kibitzing over the the fact that I would give up if I had some no question no question all right but I am I do I live with a disability but not I mean not not really walk around if you believe. You haven't seen those stevie wonder. Theories does weirdly catch microphones when they fall one time. That is operatives. I believe that would that would be the cray story of all time. You could throw one hundred ninety nine which one I'd make miraculous catch right. Yes but that would be the greatest story ever the greatest rouge ever pulled incredible incredible story but yeah I always wondered like Ray Charles Stevie wonder how did they fucking doing. How how the fuck did they do it? No idea it's crazy. I have no idea and I can see I totally blind. I mean there's genius like I said before there are just geniuses and stevie wonder but like he he was little stevie. Wonder Who's calling me. Start at motown. He was a little kid Doing this stuff. It's and then he would do all the instruments and it's it's you know it's crazy a surprised there wasn't I was thinking I don't know why I was thinking about today. I'd like to see more about because there was a movie made about. Ray Charles Attache like Fox. Yeah and how have you not like looked into all of the live conservational blind people. Yeah I know I don't know I mean it was interested in. WHO's the most famous blind person ever Rachel's Stephen Wanted Pro Helen? Keller but how'd the blinds rush people always give like associate me with Helen Keller. Helen Keller was blind and deaf and mute. Yeah which is insane right right. Different than anything is fabulous in her life. You're dumb fuck rupture but we'll take for you so we'll put Keller Charles wonder what would it that fourth spot. We have big cat up a mount. Rushmore Guy Yeah that forced is available. I think right what would you have to. What more would you have to do? Aldous Huxley encouraged enclosed who Aldous Huxley wrote Brave New World in every lasko beat Portnoy rough and rowdy. That'd be that'd be the special moment so give me a bunch of other famous blue. I'm trying to think who has that. The Patterson now the Bill Maher owning real fourth spot in history. There must be somebody there. Isn't it. I don't know that there is Andrea. Bocelli really yeah. That's probably the right now. Probably think yes yes for sure I put in but with the houseful. Yes yes. So he's that's right. I'll give you a celli. There was a favorite in the household. I think Pacelli a household. Sure what do you mean you recognize them. As soon as I said him I mean he's he did that song that they put in the Sopranos. All all the time dance to that song or no I never heard it. They CL- very think of Italian. I was listening to at that time and the restaurant. She starts crying on the one that Will Ferrell sings instead. Yes yes yeah good. Supposedly Harriet Tubman went blind. But I think that was after has no known though homer is supposedly was blind. But I don't think we were not going. I was kind of an interesting story. A few weeks ago Julia Roberts being offered offer the Harriet Tubman Rolling Twenty ESCO put listen. I'm looking at compares has people who were born blind and people who went blind now. Yeah I'm a through acid face now. Steve Wouldn't count Alec Templeton. No although in some ways that is worse oh for sure having a living with site and then by the both right born blind and then getting again taste Wella who Who else is somebody wants? Due to do the No one doesn't know standards the three standup we're missing. Some of the obvious Obviously Keller Wonder Charles and we're we're counting legally blind. Obviously because that's how I fit in. Yeah but you're going to be blind so we're GONNA we're looking forward that'd be that'd be totally blind. When are you going to wait covering totally? It won't happen like that will know it goes by July two thousand seven. uh-huh needle pinpoint a worse torture every day. Jesus telling me there's nothing Michael Give up to assal said I mean let's be honest it certainly. You're right about that. Yes Steve Shrug with list wikipedia or something. Yeah no I've gone to a couple of sites it's Not a lot of juice in the black community. I've always said that. I don't have a lot of role models was the most famous blind actor. I don't know there is one seems unfair. Well when you think about it is would look wrong type anonymous so the actors. Jack Burke Dana L. Car S.. Robert Morgan no idea. Callan Ellen Moulvi Geraldine Law Horn. Harrelson played a blind guy merrily. Tom Deighton in a movie. Seven pounds with Will Smith a terrible movie a but I was always. It's like his eyes. Look he did a good job with his is making him. Look Kinda seems like there's a lot of Prominent blind musicians well. Yeah that's the I've I'd say so I'm looking. I'm looking at another list. I gotta put Andrea Bocelli He's he's number four. He's gotTa be number four. I beat him. I could surpass him in my lifetime. I mean if you became even like a serial killer or something sure is never been the famous. I don't feel the most prolific blind serial killer is a lot of things I could do in that in that athletes blind in one I fuck off. That is stupid. What about Joseph Plateau? He's a physicist. Who went blind? forty-two Fernando trailed off. He was gazing too long in the sun. Now that's hugest dummy like I. I must see Saint System Saints but you know big whoop fictional. What good does that do me daredevil? They have Jesus come on. Yeah I mean it's ridiculous all the daredevil probably fourth right now there are more famous than Andrea Bocelli. Yeah there are few blind long snappers there are yeah there would be there's always a story. No kidding yeah that would count him as the most the record for blind cricket I mean come on our silly if I beat portnoy rough and rowdy output outputs in the mix of gift. Sure no question. It's all the same but you heard him. He's a little scared. I didn't hear it sounded. It sounded that was the sound of fear breaking up the telephone you. Helen Keller was gymnast. Crazy crazy I'm Andrea Bocelli. You came blind. I didn't see a sports axiom. US twelve what a sports accident when he was twelve. I I thought yeah you WANNA give I mean we Braille. No Louis Braille. Yeah no yeah I mean you might WanNa put him up there. He did a lot he did. That still exists today. You Know Casey Harris the base keyboardist for the band x ambassadors outcome. I'm not I'm not giving you that giving that. Oh I got to say number four. Probably Jose Feliciano Felice Navidad even know who's blind to wiki part of his assist bio in even moderately hot spray. More famous song. Now sure Yoko I put. I'd put them in the top ten and I can't keep you homer doc in your home or no. I don't care about that it's got to be someone we're missing a TV. I remember Jeff Healy from the Jeff Healey band. But you probably don't know Doc Watson Had googling blind people who accomplished of Michael Cool Mount Rushmore. Oh dear I know the actor Dana L. Car but he became blind later in life. Because Glaucoma Homa you know one of those faces George Sharing I know him but not again not not the least valuable member of Barstool sports. That's something to tide. I think he put me about. He said no you said would he be the study we should know is that they added you and Mantis together. That would be recorded. Three quarters of a person does that. That could have been used to quarter one. He didn't seem to matter you today. He did not yeah. That's good. That's progress it's something well there. Dago so yeah. So we'll find out became an answer the dazzles he might the floors of Andrea Bocelli Song. Would you please from the Sopranos that year. If you look it up let me see. I think I'm right. I think that was him very famous song. This guy is blind. He's blind. He's blind as it gets. Yeah he's got the yeah see. That's a lot of a lot of people would argue show family. Aw Sea in the back of this will be obliged different. Look up go find the class of people and seek the actual song itself it's on T. Perito con Portofino though con. Space T. E. Space P. A. R. T. Iro. I'm going blind. Anthony materials my analyst. That's what a lot of people would If I was on them the Mount Rushmore. A lot of people would say that it's three totals me true. That'd be a big covey. Innocuous you feel apart from the totals absolutely. It's a different different group. They look down on you. Would you day the morning the woman it'd be tough. Lower your partnership misunderstanding. Yes together whether we might not make the great dynamic duo nominee would walk into a restaurant and knocking everything over Good Song great so to me. He got this gets him on the list right now. Yeah but there's one hit where we're GONNA throw a one hit wonder around. This is your this is your this. Is your enemy here right down. The Guy got a new song. Should be thinking of. While you're I think the power Howard show could get me hate to hear a parody song like this about being blind I it's no disgrace mm-hmm I like the song He gets into title. I forget it was time to art or something a year or two ago in the restaurant I was at Texas so the kingpin. Pete just texted me exchanging here ago and it was always restaurants were they kept playing a concert of this guy in Italy looked awesome. It was like this little Italian night in a place packed. Alka it was eating. It looks like the greatest fucking time. VOL- time I mean. I think I'd be bored ten minutes of this music. Maybe not a personal right. Maybe we live you really rocks. Think so maybe I don't know a lot of dancing onstage. I would think so I mean I don't know stevie wonder can move Kenny Attorney Mike in the boys. Oh my college Aradio show. Let's let's put. That seems like a Friday potential. Tomorrow I don't know if we have audio no audio exist college radio show like you to look blind in this picture. I'm telling you baby you look kind of like a Gangsta stupid necklace. Looks like gangs me right now who they've had in chain who is crew who the boys Oh that's right next to you right. Yeah is that true. The Warthog must have lost weight. He has lost a lot on. There is no way that there's not sounded I did this. I can't imagine I'm sure people can find it but talking like a rapper. Is My essay too much. No no no no no no see I honestly honestly it's just a worse version of trash. Talk podcast plausible. It's me with slightly less experience so so I don't know how. Why is it dirty lake? And it's a reference to some movie I do. Some will. Ferrell movie was how the officer knows a prison. Mike is I'm thinking now dirty The other guys I think. Oh with Something we came up with the Rock. Yes my right hip beginning. Camila Jackson which I like that part Yeah Spec Will Ferrell was fine. Yes so they go. We go to know. Get to dig and folks. Big Cat hasn't text me at nine Would you like to hear from Ronald Reagan. Would yes that's right. Sorry I would say would there. There aren't any voice recordings of Lincoln. Blew it hold on hold on hold. It's me again. Hold on at the beginning starving air throughout the. That's him responding to that. Yes I guess I beg your pardon I thought it was you that Ronald Reagan has producer up in heaven that he pull sound from the Kirkman and showed a replay to to locate his His Tirades and context right. Okay yeah I'm caught up got you. I apologize aren't any voice recordings of Lincoln. It's me again one since day. One Ronald break. That clip woke me from my eternal slumber. Because I need to prove to your audience that Steve Robinson Anson to the surprise of no one is full of Shit. I have in my hands. The recording of Abraham Lincoln that will tear down on this narrative that he's a funny President Heroes and that government off the Gel not perish from the thank. You you guys WanNa hear a joke. How do you make take a tissue DABS? You'll fall a little booth. Lincoln see what did and I told you even Fitz's Funnier Morphine Syndrome. Heaven Hat I'll leave you joke Steve Robinson and rabbi walk into a bar nears bartender says I thought you hated these people Steve until next time. This is the funniest President Ronald Reagan. Who Knew? ooh That's funny now. Lamar Jackson is going to be an issue. Yes yes it's amazing what you can do when you call. Aw now to me. It seems odd. That Reagan would care if you thought no he's a competitor. dippers a competitor right. Do you have a problem with the do you. Would you put Lincoln the comedy mixer. No Steve said not at all they said no no I said I would. That's what the whole thing about the letters about that trump ahead of them. Reagan trump trump Lincoln right. Reagan Trump Lincoln famous. Funniest comedian disagrees radio on twitter. Women credible endless artie. It's unbelievable that's great call. We love the ghost of Ronald Reagan. Sure do all right here we go. It seems like he's critical of Doric Uffizi. which is odd for the former president who has expired is the cat is all at once one moment if you would Turkish on number wrong to me fucking stupid? That's why what do you what do you want me to say. He's dumb or girl who picked up was like what's going on. Stand cats from borstal sports. Yeah that's fine. took him We'll we'll get we'll let you go at the moment but we you're you're a Mount Rushmore guy. So we're we're we're trying to figure out. We have stevie wonder Helen. Keller and Ray Charles. We're trying to get Mike in the blind Mount Rushmore. See what he has to do to get there. That fourth spot fought unless you can help us out is progress completely open right now right now. I don't I actually don't know like I'm trying to think who would be. We got Andrea Bocelli. The Guy who sings that he's a famous Italian singer. You know a song if you heard it yeah. He did the song from from separate Dan. Yes well the Sopranos I appreciate. Your point is though that if that's your fourth guy if you do you you do stuff you could get that spot. I think yeah. Although Mike has like a lot of negative going to get the league you know like the but this had also adds to the mystique. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying Ramos. He's the most famous blind person who also ordered his mouth. Well that's not the wonder dynamic. I can't speak to that but I think that's true. Not Notice a not true. What are you saying? Somebody's more famous than those. No No. That's not what I'm saying hanging on. What are you saying saying that I don't engage? We'll play welcome. My mother floors yours. I just talk to your boss. David Portnoy and I happily accepted the Offer to the Great City of Miami. So go ahead just I mean congratulations. Thank God thank God. I'm so excited for this. Every time your name came up in a meeting go like yeah. I really do think like they'd be like. Hey Dan do you think kirk would be good in Miami. I was like I actually know he'd be great star. I connecting with you a couple of weeks ago might think that that it would actually be genuinely hilarious. And this might be one of those things very esoteric and only funny to certain amount of people but hey like that's what you do at the podcast. Right so Oh my little go ahead. Did they know I'd the no no no we. We understand your big swing de continue. I didn't say little I. We need to timestamps discussion a minute. We always we will I will. I think it would be so so funny if you if you did an hour of serious every single day live from Miami and we only did like the worst Of the worst product play Santa. Yeah Yeah give it trying to do the chart skis the neutral zone. Then like the Herbal Tea Herschel. Walker coming surly sharp. I'm GonNa let you go into that but you're telling me right now. Century Twenty one is giving away a free home so I can't I can't even put my I can't even. I think that'll be funny. Do you think funny by like Wednesday though. Like forty five minutes into the third show. Yeah it would take a little bit time. But here's what it would also do. I think if you didn't I didn't ask any questions about the people's career either and you just focused on the products Yak Yak mill tremendously talented guy. We have here but also also is he. Is he doing okay. I know he's he's fallen ill. He had stomach surgery. 'cause I guess he has some gas. I don't know what he's all right though. He timed ended perfectly so he's out for December but moving. Anyway Caleb interviewed. Te'o I think it was about four years ago when the Super Bowl San Francisco about and was pushing shing butterfinger right. He'll only ask butterfinger first. Memory of having a butterfinger like if you did that. Every every day for an hour with You know the Defensive Lineman from the Carolina Panthers. It's going to be very. It's going to be tested on mental health. You you can even do inside Boston stuff. You can have drew bledsoe on and you can talk about his wine you know that. Hey you got yeah you got this. You got to wait so when you talked to Dave who was going with if you've just you yourself kirk. Shames minihan will be Finding Miami Solo Solo for the week and I know you're a big star. You'll be doing your thing you know. Everyone's GonNa be doing their stuff. It's GonNa be me I'll do. I'll do my dump periscopes and I'll do the show with Dave and tried to my podcast. It's GonNa be me issue Poli every night at five thirty having dinner and then shuffling up to bed at seven o'clock. No no no no. I think that's best either. It's workable your radio. Show goes still sixty. Yeah but my theory is Dave's GonNa take the first forty five minutes off so I could probably just forty five minutes off because he's going to get there. I was in Atlanta last year. You know what's better than anybody. Thirty three days. He wasn't even there the first hour because he's doing fucking pizza reviews or take you know I am on my own on this one. Well you you dave for Are the Spiderman means just pointing at each other. You both are tremendous tremendous world-class narcissist. So you just teed him up with a question and just said hey dave. Tell me about that time that you delivered papers right in your knuckles. Were were read from from delivering all those papers and actually printing them with your and And then I gotta go grab a drink real quicker. I gotTa grab a pit and they just never come back. I think he would feel in the last forty five. Do you think it's do you think it'll be a just a just spitballing ideas here. 'cause I like your idea about interviewing is people. Do you think it'd be equally funny if I interviewed celebrities like Franco Harris and I spent twenty minutes each guest telling telling my Murchison Story and just GonNa play into that. I don't understand frankly. The Globe got together with them too. I mean it was it was it was. It was an effort against me. No and you could try to because everybody's got something in their passwords like. Hey Franko you you know. I know you're a big Joe PA guy and we're trying to get that you want real persecution right. Let me tell you about this Guy Bob Murchison. Maybe I'll do so so I because you're going out to dinner with us every night to. I'm not going out Dan you don't i. I you know I like you a lot actually like you a lot. You don't want me dinner with you everything you don't you don't want me there you don't want me chasing. He's got a million stories. I have no racking tour. You don't want me there I'm I am going to suffocate you with my friendship. Gona starbucks need anything. That's you know. I think it'd be tip on a pool. Like what do you want to do. You're hustling around all week. I'M GONNA run into you one time. I like a Wednesday afternoon. We'll say hi to each other and that'll be and that's okay. You're very busy guy. No it's actually going on Wednesday. I'm going to see your here this week. That's true so I don't know I'm concerned so like from my hi perspective. I duNNo. I imagine you'll have your whole crew down there. I'll fucking of the show down there. The podcast yeah then I bring you have extra people so you'll definitely definitely be able to set up and you'll be able to do with you know like I I'll do it one day Kevin. We'll do it so you'll be you'll be set up nicely. I'm sure we can get. I think that this this is the best part is that you actually are getting in at the right time in terms of super bowl trips because in the past we all the same house and that would have been hilarious. I I wouldn't have done that. I can draw the line in the sand somewhere. I'll think I could have done that. I don't think I could have done credible but we're this year we're we're at a hotel I think we rented Angela. Eighty percent of a hotel today saying yeah. Yeah so so you'll be set up. I'm sure there'll be someone who can set up like you know the podcast senior room every morning or you can actually actually. I think we rented a couple of rooms that are like basically static studio. Sit Down your whole show So let's get before and some other stuff so he techy another one of these is guys and let me out. So you have the most success. Sports podcast Eric. Nardini was on the fan podcast the other day. I don't know if he knew that she said she. Compared your podcast as to my podcast and I thought I took a shot at me. Frankly but that's okay. Look I I don't take things personally. She said she said that. You know you guys wanted to have the biggest sports podcasts in the world world and you've accomplished and I agree I think that's great but then she's like you know Kirchner that concern about success. Necessarily I think sometime. Did you hear that part Steve Renault. Yes she said. You're not necessarily concerned about being the biggest podcast all time. You just want to be yourself. Yeah I don't know I mean that that's fine but I it seemed like a Charlotte. Whatever that's fine but so you're GONNA be no go ahead no efficient sorry but my point is being the biggest podcast in the world? You're going to be down there in Miami fucking you know you're GONNA you're probably eighty ninety. Interviews are ninety fucking things that week fees. It'd be total madness. Oh yes super bowl week is absolutely insane for us. It's definitely the hardest week of the year but it also I. We don't do as many interviews as we used to. When we were starting off and I know you make fun of them all the time and I? I agree with you a lot of times when it's like you do an interview that's basically just just You Know Mitch. Someone's product and in glad. Hand them and be like. Oh remember the time I there are interviews that we do like that that kind of sock but they also serve the purpose. Because I always do that we once we get someone face to face we can kind of break them down a little bit and and move outside of that mobile you also but you also aware aware of the joke too. I mean it's not like yeah right right right and we've but we've moved outside of that a little bit so we don't. We don't do as many interviews as we used to mostly because but we found like a few years ago. We made the mistake. Where we we must have been like twenty interviews and then when you get to the third week in February people? People don't want to hear about someone who were bowl and thank you ninety two. You know what I mean like you. Don't care about the Thurman Thomas what he wants to talk about in in March you know. Yeah Yeah we stopped doing as many and we do more of the Dan Marino's who want to like cut throat or in the back of the van. Let's get to the real reason. I mean first of all. Obviously you're gloating. You got your win. You'RE GONNA give me down to Miami. You're going and I know that you're GonNa have me sit some uncomfortable dinner with a bunch of people. I don't know which is going to be absolute torture. You call shot by the way when we were in New York take advantage of my anxiety mental health. That's fine. I no problem at all no issue with all I play long yet but those are those those are definitely things. I'm going to have mental health. No problem you come on the market right. You mocked privately albuque- for years and that's fine that continues. You have an issue video camera at the dinner and then every morning. We'll have a we'll have a recap with an anxiety neater Essex Geiger meter grenoble like. Hey Kirk what are your biggest fears. Tell me that like our daddy girl. Yeah I know what I was GonNa ask you got got off. We're thinking man to go so we have. We have this court thing within with listeners of our show right they they argue with each other and do whatever I have have now. Fallen into the habit of jumping in there in occasionally going at individual argue have a problem with the show. I mean what. What the fuck is that about? Oh my God it's basically like if you went on Reddit argued with pardon my take fans essentially what I'm talking about like this guy's name was Jerry Cala gala canned was the guy's name and I literally I was sitting. There brewers morning drinking hot chocolate in like going back and forth this one individual for twenty minutes. Do you know what I've always like. This is something that's taking time for me to get to the point because it's definitely I used to do in the you know five years ago would get very upset when people you. You think this sucks at this point. I realized that in life everyone like there's half the people that want to enjoy things happen. People just WanNa complain about things and the people who WanNa complain about it or probably enjoying it secretly. They can't bring themselves no quiet and their enjoyment of your product is actually the fact that they have something to complain about. So you're giving them an escape by being like every morning they can get up on the discord. It'd be like this show sucks now that gives them a little escape from whatever never liked. They're dealing with so you're actually using just hop on and be like. Hey you're welcome now you don't have to think about your shitty existence for a minute because you hate my show more than your life but the thing for me. Psychologically I've always been that person and now all of a sudden I'm not like what the fuck is what is going on. I'm not cared forever. What the what the what? The fuck is out everyone care. Well you know what every you know what I mean like like I understand. It's part of the game and I still do but I don't know why all of a sudden individual things will trigger me I. I don't get the for example I'll just give you an example guy like Hosa podcast right. Successful podcast was a big listener. The show in the other day and said he doesn't listen to the show anymore in this guy name the houses same. He hosts a show in a van. I forget the guy's name name so I was like fuck you. Then go fuck yourself things like that hurt my feelings. It hurts me the core but go ahead this year. Another another guy I know. You're on dischord boards so we can just do a publicly. WHO's got a list of grievances about the Kirkman? A hint. You fucking believe. Dan Doesn't listen to the show him. No quite the opposite doesn't it doesn't it doesn't liked the show. Oh my tax. The exact tax was when Kirk said. Hey can you come on eleven mile. I said yes. Is there anything I need to prep. I haven't been able to listen as much as I liked you in the line right southern not listening anymore. Okay okay. When there's a I I have A? I have a five month old. We're in the heart of the football season. I'm not trying to you know. Blame things on you here but I I hope the number one podcast like there's a lot of throws we understand understand that we understand where it's I understand so when I when I pull up to listen to my friends Kirk and my conceive Steve Shoot the shit for three hours and the first forty five minutes is talking about a fucking fishing hole in Maine. Now I need to find. I WANNA fucking SNOB. Might understand you're not coming fishing. I actually I. We did the the I think it was called the Camden Bowl. the Toboggan was very little. Yeah we did a video there in two thousand fourteen and I actually. Recently Keke is Kevin John and Dave and I and I think we gotta go back and do it at some point and just you know get given back there. It was right when we're early so it was Kinda go to. Here's the good news. We're we're five and a half or six hours north coming up. You know but any room for the so so his complaint. This is more of a Steve Roberts plan because I don't know anything about this. He he wants a time stamp Steve. Yeah we've talked about this before we said is you're giving people a roadmap not to listen to our. Our sponsors are advertisers. Okay do you dare. No that's totally fair. Although I think you could probably work it into conversation which would take a little bit more work from you the producer to do what. He didn't work at conversation. But if you if you don't you'll listen to the podcast but I will. It could be conversational about these these things that were selling happy to do it so I don't I don't think that's the big issue with all Steve. I think he might be right. Then we can do timestamps. Yeah I think you guys what you guys do is different than everyone else. And I I love listening to it. But sometimes when you're a three hour podcast. AH IT'S A. It's like Joe Rogan kind of the same way. Sometimes Joe Rogan. He'll have someone on that. I really WANNA listen to add like I just don't have three hours. You know so I if you if if you had time stamps like hey. Here's what we're talking about today. People can pick and choose. Don't have to you know. Listen to every single piece every single day and I think he's people mortgage maybe that maybe I'm wrong again. I don't really know much about this business. I just have a podcast to get two million a fair point and by the way I I haven't said I am not said wants to know more about this business. I'm just trying to. I'm just trying to do my own thing I I think. That's we've we want to skip right to the admin offense to many wasn't chose to skip to the end so we can say listen fucking fuck them. I don't know what to do. I'm sure we've talked about. That's actually why don't we want to expel her. Her dance instruction or Advice Mabel. Try It for a week and see if it makes a difference on. What do you think Steve seems nervous about this? No I'm open to anything and obviously the guys get a number one podcast with the fuck of my I to tell him that we don't want to do that. I just if I'm an advertiser and you're giving someone in instruction manual tip right around the advertisements like I don't know how I feel about you worried about that. I mean obviously so you guys. We don't want the ads in the hell. No I'm not doing that but I'm just saying if if it says in the description Big Cat joins the podcast at two hours and forty minutes minutes in and somebody skips ahead to two hours and forty minutes. They do that. People might look for big Kennedy talk with. I don't care this like so like you mentioned Rogan right like Rogan Tony. Totally Upload Up Fronts all his ads in the first three minutes that I don't get now it's working I mean but I mean I have never listened to that podcast in not jumped jumped in front through the ads. Right I agree. I don't really understand how it all works. 'cause I I completely agree do it. I mean if he wasn't a part of my take we have the same kind of format where it's like you know when the ads are sort of coming. I think there's certain people who and you you have the most heart fans out there. They probably want to support you. I think there are certain people people who will listen and use the code because they weren't support their favorite more conversation with your ads though. Yeah we are. We could be better. Yeah but I I I think your show I love about the show is that it goes for as long as it goes you. What did you say what you love about the show I used to like uh-huh loved loved loved interesting? Continue please if you love something you said it free thank you I. Don't you come out okay. So Jesus Christ read some poetry one time I you when you sent that tweet out thing do people not want three hour shows I initially was like I was thinking about as you right then I was like I like the three hour. Show omit because you guys talk in a conversational manner where the conversation is both for however long ago. Why didn't you engage in social media? Why don't you give me a social media with response like that? His brand fans sure. I like you the only one that was begging for my phone number for months gave it to you and now you're bury me with these ten show. Oh I mean I'm not sure how they handle it. It's been great. I think we've had a great Text relationship. It's you know every every couple of weeks even shake I. I will ever known that you didn't have. Yeah you love even chain now that that happened out of nowhere Even what was worse Stephen. Shays treading water or temperature. Water to beat cancer or Steve Robinson's attempt to serve. It's not even close Steve. It was fascinating to watch somebody. I sit on the podcast. It's like when you drive by like those like those things that are whipping in the wind like outside of like a car dealership or something. That's what it looks like because body with moving all over the place that didn't make any sense of supposedly athletic guy play football. Don't you just want some put his feet behind his ears. His Video Stephen Highschool like playing high school basketball call stealing a steal two dribbles two handed dunk and he looked like an athlete. Why didn't you do underhand serve? Why don't you just like Oh star? Search he literally didn't get well see the thing. The thing is we were talking about the fishing trip matter Wasco and I just happened to mention the last time I was up up there to play tennis in high school and these guys took that I know you told me you said you would be talking. Shit and openly the acknowledged that I never set the standards very high at all for the tennis match. I don't know man I love it. What else what else is going on? What else going on in the Kirkman and show world you guys mad about Greta? No that's more of a Gerry Callahan. Sort of that that I don't I can't actually have a problem with trump dumping on her. I think it's kind of I think did did you tweet about this to those people is day to get outraged about sports illustrator Time magazine. You side some tweet like that or something right yeah. It's just always so funny. Yeah and not only that but like the people of the year first of all. We're all winner so we want in two thousand seventeen L. Math. Steve mentioned that yesterday I mentioned people who are mentioned that they were the time person of the year in two thousand six. Well I've won the award. They won the award twitter. BIOS a good point and then you had to. You had like the the dynasty of Stalin Stalin. Hitler in the late thirties early. That was a weird run but I have to say by the by the definition of Time magazine by definition. If that's how they do it. Trump should win every year. I mean he's the most important influential. Same it close. Yeah we're on the rundown yesterday. It's like trump or Baby maybe Yoda like if you're talking about it's a good plan. Just give it a baby odor give it a give it like a tick Tock Star and be like technically by the numbers. This is the most influential influential person on earth. Straight talk. No I held off. The I think there are certain elements you know we have the Best S. job in the world but there are certain elements where you gotta be like. Hey I might just try to sit this one out in age a little bit more appropriately. We have young people now where we don't all have to be twenty two years old. Yeah I mean obviously I don't. My daughter watches. I literally. Don't understand it and it bothers me when I ask questions like to my daughter like can you show me what this like. I hate them getting old like that. At least I can acknowledge it. It's weird like you know. I don't WanNa be afraid to near the end of the Irishman. Like I don't want to be afraid of getting getting old but you have to acknowledge it's going like I literally don't understand to talk at all but it's peeling so you have to understand that people like it. I guess right. It's it's one of those weird zones where I try I don't I'm not GonNa Shit on it because I think it obviously is is big in the numbers prove themselves but there is there Are these things that pop up where. I'm actually kind of happy that I'm getting older because like I don't have to put into energy to try to learn something totally new and try to you know O'Kane followers on the new platform. I'm just GonNa Kinda this is this is how careers die. So I'm just looking at myself. You know like in the future here like eventually I'm GonNa be the Guy who's fifth your Goldberg. I'm only on twitter. I don't know what any of this other shit is but I guess that's how we all go out right. Yeah but is there any age. You would've wanted to be on tick tock. I don't think you're missing much about twenty. Listen if I pick talk with around when I was twenty seven and we were and we're just like trying to build barstool. I would have already gotten hit by a car on. I would've suppo over myself on their things. I would have definitely done to get people to watch on. I do feel US earlier. But the show. And when I started arted I remember I asked Dave like what am I going to be frustrated with these like. You're going to get frustrated that you're not getting promoted of I am very. I'm very clear about this. I am not frustrated. Any lack of motion Minna fans are but I feel like that's kind of life when you're in Boston that we were show that's different than other stuff that doesn't I don't have an issue with that because you're asking what's going on the fan world that seems to be sort of guys disagree a sort of a common theme. There are some things that go hand in hand with that. That kind of frustrate you I think. Sales people the sale the sales. The salespeople are fucking idiot getting ignored with promotion kind of getting ignore sales and all that type of show I mean but sales people in general. That's the only thing I find barstools arsenal similar to the radio. World is that the sales people are fucking dummies. Well I would actually argue that. The promotion thing is similar to the radio world and every other media company in the world world and you know the fans I was put into that. DM Group after the first time out. Don was I think he just got talents. I don't need to be back in but I do find it. I I told you the reference to the Danny Boy Cain reference when he announced that the whole Cassini AC big POPPA keen. We're giving them a terrible time. The world is is endlessly hilarious to me for that just because the Internet absurdity but would they probably don't understand I'm not saying they should because it's something that I didn't understand until I was in this for a long enough time. Every single show on every single platform in every single company complains about promotion. Both I guarantee you. Mike Greenberg complaints like every. So it's it's one of those things that no matter what level you're at no matter or how much fame you've attained hammer. How big your show is where you work? You are talking to someone whether it be your boss. Your you know the the person you work work with your colleagues the producer. You're saying we don't get promoted enough so I think that once you realize that and everyone doesn't they get promoted enough. You realize guess what that just Kinda. Everyone's everyone's going to have that feeling all for me. That's the trade off is promote you. Much Roskin the leave you alone do whatever you want. I'll fuck and make that trade any day of the week at any day of the week. Ah You know you you've said it and it's the truth like Dave is the reason why Dave is so successful at what he does and why he's had been able to built like a bunch of people up if he does. He's not super micromanaging. Hands on he let people be successful he let people go out and do their own thing. And unless you you know the the I think what was the last time you guys got on the radar you guys have been on the radar like in terms of in a bad way in a while Albright problem right now is probably went blind. Mike work I I agree I agree. I also think Dave's lack of curiosity in a weird way is an ally as well because he never checks in anything so it helps these so fucking you know he has adhd and he hasn't really care about stuff right it is again. You and David wanted the same. Why if you are a great reader of yeah actually though you're right you're very well read whereas Dave is not literally? The books are disgusting. Yes yeah so yeah I mean it's it's great though that he lets everyone kind of do their own thing. Now Super Bowl week there will be the email be ready for this. Erica sends out a yearly email. Basically being like I've seen people just sitting around with their APP so A Dan Ryan Kirkman and creates KONTA. That Super Bowl. Say That's not. That's not going to be an issue. I confrontation with the Commissioner last year. I wouldn't I wouldn't worry about that I'm GonNa be I'M GONNA be leading the charge. Should we go deep sea fishing video. Menial not make it happen correct. I make it happen definitely on the right track. I think one of the best friends after the break. You have Monday Monday through Wednesday. We aren't going to be available for radio. We're we're going we're trying to fuck and get the elusive great giant octopus. Or whatever the hell it is any questions for this guy you know. I WANNA know off uh-huh if you're involved with rough and rowdy is portnoy knocking portnoy ducking me. When he says I wouldn't pass whatever physical I would need to is? He just afraid No I think you actually truly wouldn't pack. You are blind. There's no way there's no way to get it done. I think you have to find a person. I don't know if important blindfolded four nine would finally So what people don't realize about rough and rowdy because it is Part of Barstool and what we do. They think think that we run like every single decision. That's being made behind and their laws. We yeah we truly do have to go through the state by state plot so it's even worse than like it'd be one thing if it was just a federal law and you just know this is the rules. But you've seen it. Even when we went to Kentucky there was the law that the first sign of blood the boxing of match end. Stay Asleep. We yeah we didn't fucking know that and it was just terrible and it was. It's like we'll never go back to Kentucky. So state by state is just ridiculous. We may may be able to get you to fight in West Virginia because West. Virginia is where up rowdies Kinda from and they don't really seem to care as much But I think Florida would be tough for the Super Bowl you. Why would you WANNA if I need more time as well? Dave said he wanted to fight me. Because you're a good guy you're you're you're very nice guy you understand. And maybe you can articulate particularly better than I can or or my kin dave's level of vitriol for Mike. I mean a month ago a month ago on that show he killed him. He thinks he's disloyal. I mean you're an old school like what. What am I missing in this battle? I would let me prep by saying I've always kind of been in my corner in the fact. Ah I told you Mike. Both privately and publicly. I think you do a really good job on this show and happy that you know. I think you've done like you've grown into it. I know Kirk upset when I compliment. His ironically even listened last couple of weeks he's been told shed bad. I think it it comes back to my rich Rulli. It stems from when I don't know how it ended the first time it ended where you didn't come to New York and he left you in Boston. I don't know like if it was clear how it was ending. I think what Dave saw after that. And you were just trying to make it yourself. I don't begrudge you whatsoever but you you probably did bring up our stool you've probably talked about barstool negative. It was always like there's always defending. There was a controversy purpose right. I think what they think sometimes and I don't really disagree with this sentiment that like when people barstool and then they tried to use barstools to prop themselves up. So that's definitely not so sort of like you're not dissimilar. When the fans do their own periscope or live go on? That's who you are you're sort of the AJ of bar. Yeah yes exactly like this guy. This guy is trying to build something off of the fact that he was an intern concern for barstool thing. Yeah yeah and Dave big loyalty guys so I think that's really what it comes down to. I think that's where Satan Yeah you've made mistakes and then but that's probably David also very easy to figure out like if he doesn't like you for specific reason that's going to be the reason for like he's Never GonNa. I think you should give up on trying to you. Know fight not by the big cats. Since Kirk is going to be down there for the Super Bowl. Well he doesn't want to bring it up with you but he really does want to get into the game itself. Is there any way you could help him into the game. Shut shut the fuck up shut. I'm so happy you asked that now. I unfortunately can't get us into the game but what I do have is two tickets for Kirk and myself with a fan theft craft. That's even better. We're going to run the forty. I'm going to be so it's not a game. It's about the experience because we're going to area. Maritime Taint on her face like poor pictured be great so the meeting that we had when we were in New York with Erica and then again on the minivan podcast with Dec Eric. Dini has said one thing that she likes about Kirkman multiple things but one thing that stood out to me she likes Kirkman. Hans Pod periscopes so I wanNA see lots of periscopes from that that those series of activities of Kirkman and just to please the boss. You know yeah we can get a lot of periscopes up we can go you. aww Kirk going about town I think Kirk maybe we'll recreate scarface scenes. Maybe that came after the NFL experience where I can sort of like take a picture like. Put My face in some of these bobby when the famous. NFL players like Lynn Swann. Or something and take a picture I would love that yet go. OJ Simpson the experience murder. Your whole family. What what what is what picture did you Steve You Steve? What are you talking about? Oh we sent me a picture of Andrew Dice. Clay posing with Billy Joel. Oh why did you do I because archer dice. Clay Guy I haven't exercised Klay. Yes when did he become like everyone's Jewish grandmother he is he is he's also become very. Yeah he's become very cuddly with like the I think what happens as you get grandfathered in like he told those but this way if there was a young comedian today called the Andrew Dice Clay. Who's telling the jets? He was telling he would be cancelled in two seconds but for some summaries. Everyone's kind of embraced him. which fine with because I love the guy? But he's you're right. He's almost like the cuddly. Next door neighbor now already went through the mob one kind of but it was also the time with. It didn't really matter. I mean because he goes he tells the same jokes now. They told eighty nine and he can't like like oh no he just hasn't he just he he just hasn't gotten the memo that things have changed right. Yeah I don't know yeah I mean and I fucking hate billy Joel. I unloaded us for Billy. Joel why you ike is billy. Joel's bad songs are fucking really bad really bad. I don't like big big big shot my life. These are terrible tappers terrible. I've got so many good ones. You're you're a big fan of his. I'm not a big Fan. I just know that he's one of those guys that if I if I go down a rabbit avid home. Like he's got a lot of hits. Sure don't forget you like uptown girl and you're in your car on you start you. You're listening to it. What about Italian restaurant? Why you don't like that's okay? It's okay it was good. I liked it the seven thousand time. I heard that's that I liked it. But Hey I only listen to Bruce springsteen that will be another thing. Put that on the list. The Steve for things. We've gotTA DO KIRK GONNA try to make me a Bruce Springsteen Don. Oh that'll that'll take you know why because I know guys like you you're the you're that you're happy happy clown all the time with a big smile on your face. But I know there's darkness on this fucking darkness there and I'm going to take you on I'm GonNa do you know what I'm GonNa Bracing is now. I'm GonNa Make Dan cats get on the verge of suicides. Big Cat goes up here and says French. Shut the fuck up by the end of the week. Me and Dan are going. It'd be hand in hand on the railroad track somewhere in the Florida area. And I'm GonNa talk you out of it I'm GonNa say you know what there's to be led and we're gonNA walk away together hand in hand. What do you you think of that? Yeah that's that's like the rental species Kirkman to hand experience depression sadness anxiety the whole thing. I'm GonNa talk about real bonding thing aster drive down together. He he recommended that texted me that we may do that. Yeah we're talking about the timeshare together in Boca Raton. Maybe maybe spending among together every year may happen out where we're going to say what unfunny thing we can say no saying he he comes on here and says he's going to smother you with his friendship and you're like I'm GonNa make you commit suicide there you go that's the Giovanni Yes yes there you go there you go all right pen the letter right before we hand in hand and be like you're my real thoughts about France people. I really wanted to get that. That's going to be necessary. Stringent staked my way. Mike is dating a Trans Person. transgender correct He is actually. He's a little bit. He's dipped his tony. Weird side story floored by your parents. Cope with your mom was fantastic. Thank you very much like your mom was right. You Masturbate aspirated folks. What's gone on too? I'll I'll I'll see a couple of weeks. Yeah I'm a site guy goodbye they took podcast host in America. fucking wasting time with us for to like the guy though like he's very you're gonNA find maybe in Miami. You're going to find as much things as a joke. You enjoy spending time with them. You WanNa go the fan of well I if you said to me hey you can go to dinner with you. Know Dan and Kevin Ver- night fine. You do that but I don't WANNA WANNA go without those guys. I comfortable with people I know right. That's on on those guys. Probably all very nice guys but I'm just not. I'm not a performer. At dinner I am. I'm I'm there to eat. I've seen you tells you spend a few yards conversational kirk were at foxwoods three people. I know though right. See I'm saying thank you. Yeah and it's kind of like I. Dan Kevin Vital Berg. You're fine I guess there's he's just any Kevin that even I'd much rather if you said to me. Can you have dinner with Dan and Kevin Bela Mitra dinner. Loan sure the nothing. That's nothing against those guys right right I just. I don't mind the Nice Book in the company my own brain for an hour to you know. I'm sure you'll get a lot of that for the leave you alone. Have you say you want to be left alone. I'm question rush. I'm very confident that he's going to be ultra busy that week. Which I'm happy dousing shows that they have a couple of rooms at the hotel for podcasting stuff? That's right. I just want to figure out exactly how we're I mean. Are you just going to do that. So low with KFC. How you handle that? They are you are you. Are you going to have us those guests at all. Obviously we'll be involved. Prep but yeah. It might be interesting for you just to do do a week and get barstool experience and the fans that hate that I hate. I don't know I mean not. If you have those guys Kathy like Kevin. Oh I like that stuff too but there's also oh a step away from what we do right. It's just but it's just fine. I mean so I'm thinking big Kevin. Federal Bird Corrobos. Fifth person around I would say Dave will not be available in the morning now Casey maybe by like the idea. Yeah maybe by like the idea of saying you yesterday if our show every day was reacting to my show Dave a lot of that and then Dave and I would you know David get defensive with US making fun of that show. It's sort of endless cycle week which I kinda liked to in the audio the audio quality. Yeah I'll talk I'll talk with Fowler and see if we can come up with some solution but absent You know Two thousand dollar piece of equipment installed installed in here. I'm not going to Hanukkah's couple of weeks right so I mean it sounds. You guys aren't going to work all week. We'll work. What are you GONNA do? I mean what the fuck you can get a week gough. Tax Do stories from now on that. So I'm GonNa work two jobs that we yes text inspirational strange isn't it. Does you GONNA do nothing. You can take your jar happy happy thoughts with you. I'll exist or no you throw it away health and get through it away. She was a gift and throw it away whereas in the other room might be somewhere. Oh somebody asked me yesterday. What's going on with the mural still wait? I showed you sketch yesterday or two days ago. Still waiting on the guy to send a final sketch before we get him in here. Get a get basically the design laid out before we start laying paint okay. Land paint sure Fainter Stern when you when you it is being completed. I don't think that the mural will be completed until after Christmas just once we get into next week. I don't know I figured that was the case that stadium read thirteen is done yet. I'm GONNA say no. Let's call so we got to use it. When does detector thing happening? That's another good question season. Forget to to lie detectors in the area area. They haven't gone you have They haven't come out. I mean we get somebody believes a minute. Who can administer lie detector test? I have no no doubt no doubt about that. That's the old finger to the palm trick shrew. I like this next week though by the next week. So I've been trying to scare one up but haven't I heard back from. You really tried them. I have yes called to called to to to glide detector. A polygraph test administer administered. You say you no. They just haven't gotten back. There was one one website the first result that comes up as a place I think Chelsea or Quincy Two phone numbers in an email and no one picked up on the phone numbers. I know it no response to the email. And there's another one that was like considerably considerably polygraph or something like that and no response from them. Either so We then like I. I sure don't don't but we'll get to the bottom of the bottom of a lot today. I'm not really sure what we solve. Yes we did Parody songs good or no. Well we've got one from the master the crater sees the liar. Oh Oh kind of have to give him the benefit of the doubt right. Yeah go ahead I see I was through. May I started yeah. I didn't know what he was doing it. I can see where this fucking people this fucking roommate. The Stupid Star Trek thing leave me alone. Jesus Christ I mean. They're trying to ban books for Christ. Thanks got that and now that she's as the salt. The South was right. That's tight timing. Having I do see I seen. He's sleeping in a room. That reeks of appease foreign student. Who just want to learn with Kirk isn't in bed? Inches crashed while Kirk plays in his shirts off with awe. Aw Man I do is stealing money from a to Do will see was kirks remain. He's living with an instant moon He stays behind while Kirk soft to see the Shriek to talk about their latest movie pissed off. Aw Jesus taking and to love the Kirk walking through the hallways in the new. They just can't wait to finish this master. His money has been stolen by kid from winchester. I what do you want to be seen off kirks. May He wants to be Doctor in Thailand. He studies really hard to make his parents proud. While Kirk still has his hands dance showdown his dues out for revenge on that stern want. He's hunting down Kurkin in Black S. U. S.. Kurt Kurt stealing money. He's feeling do. Where's the actual song? What does that? What would the lyric be some song? Christmas vacation yeah. Okay okay no dues. The right I way to say Merry Christmas. I'm GONNA say that's my favorite song so far really. Yeah may change in the week. But I'M GONNA put that at number one on Steve Tweet to be right now. there's a new All we can say to whether you like it or not. A classic kirks favorite Song of all time in the classic classic Ronald Reagan bit today. Oh without a doubt I mean you know you can aggregate Portnoy's your big cats again a you know. I mean fucking dime a dozen fucking podcasts. ACID has a macaw portnoy cats on the run rate and it goes on the Reagan. I mean the mccaw has been paired with cats and Portnoy's a podcast guest trio for years right and so finally someone nailed them. Actually here my stomach I guess a title is a dual. CRC Monterey Yes. I think it has to be a longtime. Don't work but this. That's that's on his album for sure. Oh without a doubt that is. I'm surprised. Favorite shock yeah. Yeah Yeah it's very funny. I mean these guys. This guy is fucking genius. He's a genius in the now. And if you know what you want to go to the podcast go good luck. You know I'd look at this gym podcast today. Yes you put a song sucks lawn darts. What do you think the mini episodes would be like? I don't know I'm rooting for. What are you laughing? Added Big Cat fan threat. And they're tweeting amputee Porn Adam. He's actually talking to assist the one of the biggest podcast. It's interests these. People engage with two of the biggest podcast in America. That's true probably. I think very underrated really smart guy. Dan just text back and forth fairly regularly now. I actually consider him sort of is a barstool friend anyway. I won't call my friend because I don't think he thinks he is a friend but it isn't respect you. Well no I believe looks down the puck that little like you know. He's directing these blockbuster movies where this little cult favourite short darling which is fine. But when the host of the biggest sports podcasts and one of the five biggest podcasts in the world says we should consider timestamps. I have time. What's the developing mind? I'm not saying yes or no we can. We can talk like today's Today's podcast will be easy to time stamp guests. I don't know if he's time sent the parody songs but sometimes comes out of top. It's not it's not really that much work like if you know you're going into it is time for show every day. Yeah if you know going into it that you're gonNA timestamps you just just make little memo's along the way I'll give you so December third party take Chubby brought to you by the cash APP insurance one within the so we start the show next baby Yoda. I mean two minutes to six five Monday. Clean up any football cleanup. Russell Wilson Six minutes twelve minutes Ron Rivera fired twelve so they knew y'all ya. Oh then yeah can't hurt that bad. Think Steve's point is I don't get it I understand but I do think also we you. You know it's like hey here's we're gonNA take here to talk about our friends at manscaping. Most people are not GonNa do that. Most people are gonNA listen to the show true. And and here's what I do like. That happened to me certain podcasts. where I'm like I just want to listen to the guests? They have on on the second half of the show. If they don't time Stanford I just fast forward anyways. What I what I've been doing is if we have a big guest on like we do today when I do the blog post for Barstool all say portnoy joins at acts You know the Eric and Nardini talk starts at why why big cat starts here. So I haven't time Stan Bingham in the Barstool blog posts. But I haven't I'm hard pressed to find the minimum. Who's going to be like well? I'M GONNA skip over the HP talk. But I want I want to hear an cats heritage song or small heard. We heard from one of the ice fishing. Yeah can SNOB. I know I mean I'm definitely Much more open to it than we have in the past for me. It was always just giving all the advertisers lesson and giving listeners a roadmap map to avoid at least some of the advertise that you do it if you do it to a point where you don't leave a second hour of the time stamp they're gonna get it right so basically time stamp in front of the advertising timestamped. Yeah I mean. I don't think we go. This show is not all right. Well you know our great friends in Milton's let's now let's move move onto this topic like frequently breaking continue usually especially with like Roman or something. It's half of what we're talking. Also he's also that so you know I don't no experimentally if you WANNA try it you can do whatever you want you know. I mean I think it might be. I don't know if it makes things easier or more difficult or if you know going in half the time stamp if that's not just take notes during the show right here we go but yeah but even then like I dunno Yup. I think we'll try if you WANNA try. I understand you're sensitive to me having to do more work but I find the trying to be. I know I know enough going on. I mean you know we could get somebody. I'm sure somebody will do it. We do have a twitter account. TIMESTAMPS it with twitter account also is now quotas and Spanish manage to us. I do it every day for the intern. But it would. Just it would mean that. Steve Couldn't upload it until I was done with that base. That's no no no no I wrote today more know a one hour twenty six minutes now so if you're typing today's show it's it's the the care interview Portnoy big cat pretty much. I don't think we time stamp. The parody song long doing with no. But you start by. What how we start today Talking about Mike in the intern or Kirk bitching about whatever the discord guy. I don't know if that's I mean I don't know do you tie I five minutes. It makes more sense for them because they've just got basically an hour long show for fifteen minutes to see. I think if you do that if you just say. Here's Portnoy Portnoy. Here's Dan here's song then you're jumping ahead an hour and a half and you're skipping advertise. Exactly that's what I'm saying. So what what. Then do you time stamp. I think. Yeah the it's not just it's not a clear cut thing in our case isn't the same and with all due respect to our great friends at part my take their how many times a week twice a week three three times a week an hour and a half usually an hour and a half three times a week in their second segment segments and adult from from my I guess from downloads unloads perspective. I don't care if someone listens to a minute or three hours. We've got the download either way I care. So yeah no no I do care. But I'm just saying if it's all about downloads. which is what the advertisers care about the care about the effect but sales pitches downloads base? But but the people we talked to also it's loyalty and yes so well they won't but I also think like for example with our show. I'm not saying we're different better worse than I think. We have the best podcast in the world. Fine but you know like if you're jumping around round stuff you hear the dual song today. You might not know what the fuck we're talking about right. Yeah you missed that. which is a huge part of Ziguinchor? Go back and say a huge part of what we do. I think think from a from a business perspective though is like if someone dips in and listen to big cat for five minutes talk about baby yoga or comes in and listen to this for three hours. Statistically typically it's the same that's why I say that but if we jump you know a big reason. Milton's does so well just an example that twenty percent office because we did a read and we cared about. Uh where's the people jump past it now. I think our reads are different. Because we're bring. She didn't do it whether it's fucking get your managers digging around or fucking. Steve came in did that thing during the the That was in the script. Yes yes during the manscaping. Steve came in and did that right just to kind of conversation conversation Lee doing it so I I think that's different as conversationally doing my yoga pose there are. There are a lot of times where I send Like the Times doesn't I realize realize it's in a Roman ad or something whereas I think it's something interesting realize there's a read around it. Yeah I think if there's three or four timestamps in episode I don't know I mean I I don't know if that's good or not though. I don't think I don't think big cats experienced perfectly translate translates to what we're doing either. Maybe that's just his personal preference is that he would like the Kirkman hint show timestamped so he can skip around the stuff. Because I think the reality Lee is is that either way. This is not going to have this much that much of an impact. I'm just curious DONALD'S AREN'T GONNA go up or down based on people aren't GonNa that much tougher but that's not but to me. It's not the downloads. It's the attention paid by the but if you're a dire fan the show you're gonNA skip ahead an hour and a half. That's what I'm saying is if you're poor no air effect if you're the Dow will tweet this out today so if you're a fan of his you might jump in and you'll get or dave or whatever that's different or yesterday Matt Walsh Right yes yeah tweet a brand new So that's that's different but I think if you I don't know I just find interesting. I don't really either not a clear cut thing but the you know the roadmap around advertisements was my one went my one argument weighing against it. But we'll stay with me. I'll I'll which I've been doing for the blog law post so I've been trying to find middle ground. But I'm having a time Stanford hardcore minivans like I they love they like Dang good and he's friend of ours but like I think the the hard core fans with all great respect will enjoy dual song. More you're right I mean that's put down. It's just if you listen to it every day like if I were part of my team I think it'd be a great graphs you mocking Jerry. If I WANNA part might take. I think it'd be a great guests for them but like the hardcore fans of part my take would be like guys bullshit shit for you know honestly the people that listen to part of my day might want an NFL head coach shirt right. But I just mean they'd rather hear what they like. That's what I'm going through the funniest. Our of all time was different than what they're used to when they click that little part in the take button and what their hit part my take a pardon the take. Pardon that's a Russian that is a Russian bugging me take part in the take. I would say that well you know. It doesn't matter that fits. What was that? Now how would you tell me fit CD to then fill the impression of a little bit like state media but please go on. Tell me more about job Udu. Who is it connects the guy from the hangover Ken? Can Zhong his impression of Fizi doing the oppression of him. What I was doing I can remember yet? I don't remember that. No I don't think so. I think he's a good guy. WHO's on the Asian Mount Rushmore? In what do you mean just overall boy I mean not to be stereotypical but Bruce LII would be up there. I guess you know why they hate his portrayal attorney movie. Did you hate it. I hate curb Russell and it's I didn't like any of that all right movies always brings me to this actually ironically. We'll get that was later. Did they do every they didn't do. All five thousand movies. They did a lot of them. I just printed off the first eleven or so pages of it. So you know we've done some of this movie the decade talk. They had once upon a time in the top ten of the decade that I think really think so long. It's just very eighteenth. Tarantino's had to the better movies this decade on Tarantino's Django Jinglin Fleet and he played them better than what's about time and I think I like what about out but of course last year. We did this right. I thought that was oh nine. I wasn't so okay. We said to ten years. I guess. Whatever the counting Oh nine I didn't? I didn't in love hastily but I I thought those run the same lane once upon a time in Hollywood with the same level Yeah I mean right I think they're both DOC Tarantino movies such an event. Yeah I feel like those are both Mrs by his what danger. What didn't you like about? Hey Philippe Really just didn't connect actress me me laugh more. My Big Johnson Samuel Jackson was gets. Yeah I mean I didn't I didn't hate it. I didn't love it. It was. It was fine but I've been walkout like I walked out of bastards or Django Django where I was like that. It's just a fun whether you like. They're flawed this. Is Your fucking great time. Alex heavyweight above Django. No no no I wouldn't say Django Django was it's Jalen. Jingle Jangle was flawed to me I had a great fucking time Django in had a great great to capture performance. We've we've talked to us before the biggest us at the time. The biggest movie star in the world in agreed to play that character in a movie idea Tom Cruise deciding to do it. Would never happen. Doesn't care he's all judge for his use of the inward who loudly. Yeah by me. Made them uncomfortable that we gotta do that but you know he. He did it though. He looked pretty comfortable when he was saying this. Ugly Evil We'll disgusting character with absolutely no no redeeming values whatsoever and fucking Dovan and did it. You had my attention. Now you have my curiosity the great eh a grape. What's his face? Won The Oscar for that and it should have been the Caprio who Christopher Watson for that. Yeah and he should know he should have won for Bassett's wasn't wasn't better. Yeah and Jamie Fox was great. Samuel L.. Jackson was walking right. Believable in that movie might be his best performance. Maybe Leo an Christoph Waltz. Timmel Jackson says it's the most evil characters ever seen emotion pictures he's like he's just a fucking evil guy. It's a great performance in your totally an entirely different world. I actually like the first thirty or forty minutes. which is the two of them? It's probably my favorite part of the wave. Christopher Watson Jimmy these kind of training him in their learning all the way up to and they go to the little bar are there it's awesome. It's fun to watch that again. It is underrated Don Johnson a huge role in that that got cut. He's in it for a little bit. Yeah but that was bigger originally. I guess Y- yeah supposedly so I mean movies pregnant five hours long. Also a great Jonah Hill performance. Let's true he's in. That is weird so yeah so yeah I mean I I just you know what's funny about. I've actually thought about the Irishman a lot more. I've watched last half hour a couple times since so it's actually actually starting to resonate with me a little bit. What's time holly with us? No resonance with me and never think about. It doesn't matter the idea of De de Niro old and struggling and be scared and the stakes. He's made that's interesting to me to see once upon a time in Hollywood gasoline. It's probably worth watching again. But I just never got that Buzzer and I watched watched it never clicked with me. I mean maybe I was expecting too much but I I find Tarantino Movies hilarious. Usually in Hollywood didn't make me laugh that that whatever that humor humor strain was did not work for me. That movie just didn't work. I don't know you saw right Steve or no no. I haven't seen once time. Paul in Hollywood I went to the theater is a couple of times but it was all booked out booked out. Yeah booked out they say have never heard that phrase you sold sold out just booked a holiday booked out what the fuck is wrong with you. She also types just when you clearly Russian. That's what I listen to. Parts receive obviously gives away the fact he was born in America. That should be a time stamps like five times a show. Give me a ticket young man he tried to call. What was that movie phone? You've reached movie phone Stein. Just tell me the name of the movie. You WanNa see nine months starring Hugh Grant and Julianne Moore playing at two forty five to to be five seat looks at the paper in the morning. Oh that's playing. Emma watched it right when it came out and said it sucked so that hasn't Burning desires relevant part of the debate. That you just showed up at the movie who does that anymore. I did happen to be in the manager manager. Two tickets please tail flick. I understand never tells me. He's all sold out that Margaret. Never Whitish. Never you've never bought a ticket at the movie theater. Sure okay. It's been on long time. Don New new sold out a lot I strolled up to the theater. I gotta be honest. And you're right. I mean I used to do all the time. A longtime I strolled up the theater but like how it's playing today but there are movies that I would do that with now movie that I would be certain or not so like knives our this movie. That's getting really good reviews like it's been uh-huh for three or four weeks you two o'clock shop weekday which is what I fucking dead but it was sold out. It was like two later. There was still heat around. We always say we're still going to be heater on it as a winger show fine. Oh time to go galaxy far far away with my friends Kylo Ren Mike. That's going to be sold out. I will take one ticket please. Ten tickets for Star Wars please. I don't see why any this is funny. Sl Jerry Stab this and this is what everyone want. That's true. Do you have tickets yet for Star Wars. I don't know oh the opening night. Then oh no toss sorry pure work can I can. I can wait a couple of days. You'll see it that weekend or no. Maybe not even that weekend. I can't even it. It probably goes back to Harry Potter the last time I saw something when it opened. She's not a fan of movies. Then not huge. I'd rather watching the comfort of my own home to be honest I still like. I'm old that experience. I like that I mean not for every movie like you'll have to see whatever you know what I mean the even the Irish wouldn't qualify. I'm considering if the girlfriends around now you might be working. But I'm considering seeing Richard Jewel. Oh of course we should. All we still kind of required to see that this I think so I the last couple of times I've been to the theater. There are always people talking. Well that's not. That's every time always people talking to people using their cell phone. It's like what the fuck I can. Just watch it at home. No one's talking doc. If you if she doesn't want to see it how much you say you know. Asia Europe no just seems asleep with you. If you if you go see with Richard Jewel card sexual dame yeah spread out. Spread out what you're GONNA do. I think the cell phone thing is definitely but I also say they've done. I think movies by and large most theaters have done a good job of trying trying to replicate the home extent. They tell you ten million times also that I mean you do have the nice seats most have tried. It's not I agree. It's not perfect. Oh it's much better that used to be if you go to the super locks. Yeah oh I think even most like Burlington's old AMC theaters. They ripped them off. They put him in Western mass. I think they've done yeah survive. Yeah the the close ones for me are The Super Luxa Chestnut Hill. Now Regal by fenway the or. There's one in Dorchester. And the only the super folks come on Dorchester interest. I think this is an AMC somewhere around. There's one in braintree and Randolph. Those are the closest thing but anyway yeah anyways only the super locks has comfortable seats. You're paying twenty five bucks for a ticket. Also that I agree but I'm just saying I think what's interesting about that though is they basically said we. Because I'm thinking like the theater Mujber Bergara see all my movies and those theaters will have to three hundred seats one hundred twenty seats to thirty seats because they have these stadium seatings. They've taken Kennedy. Hit on that Say Jack Up the prices for me the only benefit of the theaters seeing it earlier. There's no other. I like the corn heaven surrounds. Someone's going to seek a lightsaber and wave at around the opening music with people and paid it. Oh that's the best part now. The lights are out. Corns ends gross. The NACHOS or gross foods grows nachos the move can every movie theater has nachos to get the gun to your head when you go in there. Hungry great food you before you yet. Sometimes I do and then. I'm still hungry. NACHOS he did. This is a man that gets a burger and then an entire pizza. Have you ever. You've never got nachos at a movie theater not once. I'm a sucker for the fake but I never get nothing though I always get corn. Yeah you gotta get a little popcorn and a little. I need some washed down with this. Jerry said the other day they give you the popcorn because they get more drinks. He's right. The guy is running. He's right. It's not good. It's not good. I can't believe it's IT got cancelled That would you agree with that. Definition he get canceled. You Did yes absolutely sure. Yeah yeah he did. Was it ratings. Ratings I'm saying cancel them. Now what do you mean stuck with Dave Cohen. He's doing the best he can jerry criticism. He's doing the best way. That's what I'm saying. Let's see what happens all right so well tomorrow. I hope to hear from dirty. Megan the boys well. We don't I'm have to. I don't know if they archive causations. But we're going to find out it's going to be tough classic like that. It has to have life on Youtube or something. It's a cult favorite according to someone who I have not how they would know this but we got four times listeners. Every other show on that You really believe when people say hosting a rating system of the college station Incheon arbitron numbers huge. Or they go so. I think we did altering one more appetizing. We got kirks painter. ooh Kirk Hinder. We Love Kirks Major. We know that Chris Patriot GonNa be up in Maine. I think he bought tickets but then something came up and maybe he can't be there but I don't know if he can make it work. We're we're GONNA find room for him once I'm working idiot. Kirk spam course. You'd probably get or something kirks painter doesn't awesome job. Bowie goes twitter. Account is at at Kirk painter. Yes you see some of the other work. He does by the way jack-of-all-trades he does yes. He's general handyman. Painting is what he did for us and didn't try handed the mural. He's more of a paint. Your House painter business professional background. Music for this Bruce Springsteen jack-of-all-trades if if you would please thank you got got his own theme music now. What's Nice to have? I think I wish I had that. I agree on my own theme song way. You do. PODCAST podcast that or the Mcclain. Oh that's true. Yeah that's a good point. Steve they go jack of all trades master of none but not not about the two thousand. Twelve wrecking law nick. So Kirk Painter Komo your lawn clean journey. No you wouldn't yeah. Maybe the price is right. your roof to keep the rain gene. I'll take the were Luke for Dan that God provides. And what do you think Steve. I Like I'm the Jack of all trades. Sort of your message Barstool. And you're going down to the right. Uh Listen though have stuck patron him or the news. Saying I'll sit the Dome and I'll harvest your crops do that or no short crops. Opin you lose rough snowy thought. Bruce springsteen wasn't no some saying I'm getting some deep cuts and I'm like I agree with Kirk Pinch. Chris Painter Ever Forget Whoever Picasso. Caravaggio fucking Andrea Bocelli I mean this guy is a fucking miracle worker. He should be on the Mount Rushmore painters. Yes kirks painter go to a Kirch Patriot. Dot Com kirks PAINTER DOT COM DOT COM. He's made the studio with great He'll do that for you as well. KIRK PAINTER DOT COM and it might be the season for exterior steer. Your painting is over but he does lovely interior so home business. You just need a room that needs to be spruced up no job too. Small Cars Studio say here the outside did he know okay. You may do that though. Who knows if you could see Simon? Have you seen your buddy though since since I I the one I got a ton of buddies well the guy stripped Italian. Oh No I haven't Jesus Isa's strange never happened. You know I might have seen begin. My Eyes Aren't great so I can't confirm Shirley understand but someone walked in here a few weeks ago. ooh very confused. Seemed like she was coming back. Oh God really coming up the ramp going down Scott all right well I I think we did all today told you. They'd be a short show and they nailed it. Yeah you if anyone had any questions about Your thoughts in the poll question tweeted out earlier. This always go with the right intentions but then in the show's run law. We had a lot going on today. Maybe the moral be a short. You can't control knows short one on Friday. I don't know so you do me a favor. Don't discord while you drive. Camisoles we audio discord right. That's true well. I still have audio chess. And they don't they. Yeah but I'm saying. Don't be reading discord as you're willing. I did this core chat l.. Jump in once in a while shop. Big Cats Chat. I'm willing to go into the fire. Read it do alive if they wanted to chat with me. I'm willing to it. That's the thing I'm happy to do this. I WANNA help all them. I want us all to be together for. That's all I'm trying to do like we will play that no big deal. It does play play. That will you will you. You figured out the discord. Just sort of. I think you've got it down. Will you be able to figure out right. No right it scares the shit out of me. So Am I gonNa Tough Layout dated Leo purposely. So I guess we're going to do this by phone where I say. Here's the question the answer surge probably okay probably be disastrous. We're back tomorrow. This was pretty reprehensible. I don't know how it can be anybody's idea of humor.