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Tati Westbrook Used The Downfall of James Charles To Sell Hair Vitamins

Eating For Free

1:13:53 hr | 2 years ago

Tati Westbrook Used The Downfall of James Charles To Sell Hair Vitamins

"Hey, y'all. So we're going to be talking about the James Charles Taty Westbrook new Rama today. And we make a few pretty harsh stances, I would say how awesome I am not going to lie like this somethings things. I said, I was like, ooh, it's like going to be taken the way, I hope it does, we're going to put a disclaimer at the top of this episode, which is what we're doing right now. I just want to say again, consistently throughout this episode we make references to the fact that James Charles is a predator. But what has happened in the wake of this story and why we decided that this was an important story to tell is. A person with a ton of followers and fame and money. He used homophobic language to sell you a product and I don't think that a lot of people realize that this is a story about to cloud, chasers interested in money, acquisition, and the general business of capitalism going head to head and a homophobic story was told to you, so another person could sell hair vitamins now, do we think that James Charles is an ugly disgusting predator. Absolutely. But do we also think that the language employed by Taty has opened up a doorway for the conservative media to paint? All Gaiman as evil predators. Lurking in the mentions of straight men everywhere. Absolutely. And I think that it has been framed like that to sell products. So we're going to get into that. I won't go. Oh, too much more. This doesn't need to be longer than the episode itself. So bear in mind. We're never making excuses for James Charles. But we are trying to bring a little bit of context to the scenario. It's hard not to get into the nuances are like inbetween moments of somebody in the LGBT community, like this, where even though, would they could be doing as wrong the way that everyone else has to rally behind it and used as a weapon per se or uses when a boost their own clout like we've seen before is some net. Cannot not be discussed it'd be we need to bring it up. So, yeah, enjoy guys, I think it will be good anyway good-bye, but also come back because here's the but also like, just don't pause. What do I think of? I don't think of her. Yes. Darren you weren't. Yup. To the New York Post high high sisters, girl. Oh, guys. We're finally going to talk about the feud between noted capitalists James Charles and Taty, glum life guru whisper. I mean this was actually the gunshot heard around the world in today's terms like it, actually assassination. Okay. I'm going to start this off the top guys. Let's so I'm going to take point this episode because Lawson has been doing most of our deep dives recently. Because I've been slammed and this was just like something that resonated, particularly deep in the core of my spirit. And so, I have been following this, but I will just say, like at the top this is eating for free. The podcast reporting from the absolute the internet, every time you bring it up. I'm like, what do I orient? Your do singers only almost just started the episode guys high, I am local minutes Joan summer's international artisan, Matthew, Lawson. And before we get in, I should just ask, like Lawson you just had the worst day of your life. How was it? I'm not gonna lie. I sometimes feel like I'm gonna dine a car accident like every time I do a long drive outside the bay area because I'm like this is untested waters, even though it's not because it was a billion. That to be a snowstorm that I was in Berkeley, California is gonna snow real snow. That's saying it's the temperatures are going to drop, and it's gonna snow in the Sierras suck. I'm on this shoot right now guys that is going to be five weeks long and it's nothing exciting. I don't wanna talk about it. I do not wanna say I'll believe that out. It's yes. Thank you. Yeah. I mean it's just, you know what girl has to do for her coin and I'm out for, like, almost twelve hours a day, and today, it was raining from the second, I woke up at six AM to signal comb at seven pm, and I was outside shooting in the Raynal, dander, tons, and driving home from northern California to back to the bay area is actually discussing. I think has no, but the traffic in the bay area is now next to Los Angeles there by second in the United States and its abuse. So this is traffic pod. This is a weekend update. But listen, almost is having time to listen to some good podcast and other stuff and catch up as actually a little bit nice leg. That's five been listening to like conspiracy theory stuff, but, like the good stuff, you know. Stuff. I would not mentioned on this podcast. This is this is her Netflix put behind a pay wall. There's some good stuff. I've been wanting to actually do some episodes from what too, so. But that's later. I'm good. Now gum here. And you lad and do though, I had a mental breakdown, this, I was gonna say, we're in places, but this is not mental breakdown our. An our. Oh, but I will say huge, huge shout out for you are. Oh, I Chen. Thank you so much for the fucking are, please follow her at media underscore bitch. We will link to the insta- mobile though. And you literally the most iconic person alive. The art is incredible. We have even more on our Instagram. So, like, you know, like if that's like what you're feeling like if that's the t-, if you wanna, like just cry over the beauty. That is my face in, you know, illustrated form. I looked so good. I've live. I mean, we looked literally so snatched, it makes me wanna die is like, I know look that good before I have never in my life felt like so beautiful so amazing, so incredible. So anyways, I wanted to just say that top, but we're going to be talking about James, Charles Taty Westbrook in this f. Episode, and I'm talking a mile a minute, but I will say at the top, we're going to kind of approach this differently. Like I want to talk about what happened, but I also want to bring up a couple points that I've been thinking about mostly about how this isn't a story of conspiracy, or chaos. It's a story of capitalism as is everything I just wanted to say, like at the core of this is a woman who has made this other person in her life, fully the target of her wrath, and victimhood over hair vitamin extremely well. Haired, documented hair, vitamins, extremely. PR scheme. James Charles is a snake, but Taty is also a snake, and we'll get into it. So why the fuck are we even talking about these people? So I mean, if you haven't heard for those of you who don't know loss, and you are not makeup group people, but I've been followed that on you not beholding to this back when I was like the most baby baby trans like circa. Oh, god. Like two thousand fourteen back when all this, this woman in my life where like, oh, you should totally. Let's like make gurus like them tip of I mean, if I wanted to keep taking that advice, I would look insane. So I was for a little bit, just because I was like trying to feel my oats out, and I will say, like Taty is someone I came across and I watched her for like a hot second, but I started to realize this trend in her videos where the products she tended to favour were like a hundred fifty dollar Lemaire like face creams. And I just started to get this like vibe. From her that she really was like a corporate shell. And she's all like AIBA million step from my own reviews, but the stuff that she buys is fully, like, always one hundred plus and like, one of the many, many items that she probably, then I just got to a place in my life, where I didn't wanna wear makeup or have cut crease constantly. So I stopped watching her like and not fourteen yet twenty seventeen twenty this before makeup, like you to really like. No. That was that was makeup. You. It's true. It's true. It was like it was mostly though, like eyebrow tutorials and cut creases. And it was like back in the day, when like everyone's still used more fee, but I will just say, like, yeah, I stopped wearing it almost entirely because I realized the act of wearing a brick of highlight or on my face per day was just like not the wave and that baking my under is was like cute for the Instagram sulky, but made me look insane in real life. So I stopped watching, but I am like aware of her, I've kind of kept up with her because she always like involved in scandals. And I want to say at the top, she's still fully friends with James, not James Charles Jeffrey star, which by this more like she has repeatedly defended her friendship with Jeffrey star. So just like the call out of James felt weird to me. So what happened was it started kind of in the wake of the Coachella scandal, which we talked about, in our old episode and I will not recap here because we've already spent like twenty minutes has got. Getting it. For those of you who want to know more, Geoffrey. Geoffrey though. I mean, give him ten years, James went to Chela and was seen out and about with this dude who he had flown out here. We find out after the fact he starts posting weird shady comments on his social media feeds. Luding. Yeah. That he was a con man like something had happened. And then it comes out from the guy not James Charles. He releases this like insane last week. Yeah. And he basically says that James repeatedly pressured him into like questioning sexuality like was acting very predatory etc. So then shit starts to hit the fan. Right. But it didn't really reach high esscalation until Taty who has her own, obviously YouTube Snapchat Instagram feeds whatnot. She released an Instagram story where she released I'm swear. It was like the most insane video I've ever seen in my life. She goes when you do so much for people in your life and they not only don't went what did she say, when you do so much for people in your life and they not only don't return the favor. So that is like girl a mess. Right. Like you earn to write an instant press release, but. What she was talking about was at Coachella James, did some spun con for hair gummy vitamins sugar bear hair, specifically the video and the picture that went along with it was a little bit insane. So I will just say, at the top this started because James stepped out and did sugar bear hair vitamin spawn, when Taty as I have let you know, released her own vitamin pack in twenty eighteen called halo. Beauty actually cannot believer experiencing a type of vitamin gummy competition or Instagram Spahn com. It's like this is like capitalism in the extreme, though, it really does she'll through lifestyle makeup YouTube. So we are actually going to be doing dive that kind of builds on the hair gummy trend next week. So stay tuned for that because really that's. Something that's his own thing. We'll get into it a little bit at the end because there's some things I want us to build up. So what she was talking about was, she felt personally attacked that James had gone and done sugar bear vitamin spot when she in her own, right? Has this halo beauty company that she's been trying to get off the ground? It's semi successful. But obviously if you are an influence, or you want to influence, and you make influence or friends, so they can influence on your behalf cloud chasing. We all know it. We all know cloud, chasers. We all probably follow cloud, chasers. And James Charles has repeatedly been attacked for being a quote cop chaser trying to attach himself to famous people, so that they can elevate his brand, and by association, their brand now becomes associated with his style of quote makeup. Do nothing new whatsoever. Nothing new any of the top YouTubers. And I just want to say like the funny thing about makeup gurus and makeup, quote influencers. Is like I have for a very long time been a huge fan of Kevin Quan. Which like if you are into make up at all I am not. But I'm into fashion. So Kevin equality was like, one of the biggest makeup, artists of the nineties, he did, like everyone's makeup. Any like famous nineties makeup. You've ever seen. It was Kevin Kwan. Right. And I still have some of his products because I swear by them, but he had range, right? He liked created a lot of styles that are very interesting like the cut creases attributed to him. But like he could like do different people's faces and make them look like different people what I've noticed with these makeup gerbers, though. Is that they make everyone look the same like oh, you can even Oriels. Yeah. It is all, like every time shows anyone's makeup. She makes them look like Nikki story. It was like when James Charles does people's make up. He makes them look like James Charles like issues, e honestly, a little scary, when you think about that. Yes, that's what I'm saying is credentialing place. I my love this is how I know that. The art of being a traditional in the sense of, like, who is the biggest makeup gurus at the moment. The fact that you become a makeup grew, and then you try and make everyone looked like yourself. So you're by yourself is a homogenized, quote self that is also shared by a lot of people. It's not just nursing mistake, but it's a little too hive mind for me. So that's why I also got intense when you I mean, but let's think about the psych of that laws in like you become a makeup guru, and you start making other people look like you. Right. But you yeah. Looks like somebody you are replicating a look off of based on current. It's incredibly postmodern because you're just like reflecting ideas back and forth. Yeah. You're just reacting. I'm not even actually creating content, and I would say, like Jeffrey star Manny makeup, artist and yes, James Charles all do their make up the same way. Like, yes, you show me each of their makeup, and I'm like, I see the same thing replicated on three different body. Dems, like. Shocking to me, though, is how much it's really just women in gay men like majority, at least that follow these and like the traditional standing sense that follow these apples that we are like literally losing their shit over this. I will say also, I mean listen em, I speaking from the shortest high horse possible as someone with a podcast. Absolutely. But I just find the level of like brain, worms usually associated with famous makeup artists is a little bit intense, like I. Call me out here, guys. I really don't wanna come off, as an elitist, but like your job is to look at yourself in the mirror. You said it. That's your word. Those are your words you make. Think Charles personifies that. Very much. So. It comes out. Yes. So back on to the store. She did not list, James, in the original call out on Instagram. She just alluded to the friend. Right. But also drops a forty minute video has like makeup. Guru stands are fully more mobilized than the CIA of the United States like they immediately deduce them in the fence. It's lily makeup arse on YouTube, and repulsed draggers rather Pige like the two most powerful groups like and BT. Yes. Twitter yet, literally, I imagine they all share like a Pentagon style building and some underground bunker. And like I just imagine like a team of Bali ges and bottoms just gathered around a circle table. Okay. They're kicking me as I hit this happens the same every time this happens. It's the same reminder on your phone to same alert. Sorry, I have to take my pills. So back to the deep state Pentagon lick. I figure then sitting in one of those like circle tables with a hologram in the middle. Their hands extreme. Yeah. As they're like, cross referencing like fairmont's communicated. Touching fingers. How they work, but they ordered it on the express I you've seen those expense air or thirty dollars. Well, they I have a student when I was teaching who had one and it like flashes rainbow lights, no ear. Yes. I knew like segue lake. I think they are the new fidget spinners to Anneli expressed like same energy, so anyways. Yeah. So. Are we have the video she knows so heater, then deduces this and makes this insane video called Taty and no? No not yet. So he makes his own story and was like he said, in the I wanna publicly apologize to my close friend Taty. She has been like a mother to me since the first days in this industry, and has given me more love support resources and vice than I ever could have asked this weekend. I didn't Instagram story for vitamins that I've been talking because the brand helped me with security when the crowd around me at Coachella became unsafe. I did not accept any money from this post crowds. Coachella unsa? No okay, so this is actually really interesting. So before she releases the video this before she relieved video. So I want to actually bring up the crowds becoming unsafe at Coachella. So I did a little bit of digging, and somebody who actually helped him get those. Is somebody named Nikita Dragoon, and she is another YouTube type. He's texted her at Coachella and said, babe. Can you do me a favor and texture sugar bear person and ask if they have any extra artists passes for this weekend, and that I'll story I'm in VIP, and I'm getting a tact by fans need help LL, and then she takes back. Yeah. Of course to sex. Thank you so much. They said, yes. Can I give them your number and he goes, okay? So then she releases her text messages to her people at sugar bear hair. And I just loved. I can't do anything. I love it. They're like cross-referencing sugar bear hair, executive marketing managers, have y'all seen Instagram that will scare you go to their Instagram sugar care hair bear. She goes, first of all, hi, I miss, you guys the most ever, and then they text back, hi. We miss you more come to stage coach and then like a year. Hamady. And then smoke K. Then this is how you know that these insta- people are fucking fake as fuck. Because this is her techs bag, second of all, I got the longest craziest text from James, begging me to ask, if you guys get them an artist because he's seeing. Ooh. Really? Without you, James Charles quote. Yes, give him my number. So I just want to say like not only. Are you gonna like beg for an artist pass at Coachella to get away from your fans? But you'll you're begging is passes. Is this what you do at the met gala? Girls. Like I just need that like access just let me even if I have to walk the red carpet, the last second leg, at least let me in. By the way, do you wanna know who Nikita Dragoon is? I saw some photos. Well, she's trans, and she is the model that Drake kicked out of his party for being trans. Oh my gosh. That's her why. Let's talk come forward in a way not want whatsoever. And then there's like a lot of things like Jeffrey star exposes Nikita drag on. It's every single you Dave. I'm saying her last name wrong. I'm sorry. Dragon Dragoon who knows? So anyways back to what is going on and gone to the slow video. Gabriel's Amora, who is another messy bottom. We won't get into jumped in and said that touchy had no right to be angry over the vitamins, then Totti who goes by acclaim, my guru released a video called by sister on mayton lists, which was this tirade that sparked a huge follower loss, four James Charles. So let's talk about this. I think we can play a super cut here. I just wanted to hop on, I don't even really know why I never get in these moods to just like event or do a rant or anything like that. But I'm literally sitting here in my studio. I can't film. It's never happens to me where I feel like I'm here in what I should be doing. I should be working should film, and I just can't I feel really lost. So she makes a lot of accusations against him. She calls him, ungrateful. She calls them disrespectful. She says he betrayed her. And then there's that very weird where they are out at dinner in Seattle. And he kept like talking about one of the waiters like, oh, I don't care if he's not gay. He's famous. So I'm famous so whatever she goes on to be like, I was so shocked, a Jove 'have. You're in front of my family other. So she also goes onto Cusack, mama. Being a bad mom says, like you need to stop posting comments on Instagram and take care of your children really felt like a real grabbed the naturally. So he responds with that video cult list potty. I can't believe it wishes definition of the Ober youtuber of pollen, Taty Taty, lots of. Just it's all one cut. The best. Mum. Saria. There's no excuse for my baby. You're it's so irritating. So. Hi all teams here. I'm curly traveling abroad. Woke up to Taty James Westbrook. I'm sorry. I had no friends, I think, what's the most shocking about that. Video is that he never actually cut unless I totally missed any blended perfectly because these YouTube videos, I'm used to sing at least one cut per three words. And like I was assuming the whole time. It'd be just be wearing cut. Kim dot how like, you know, to have reinvented, the human speech pattern because like they will cut out. And it'll be like hi guys. I am sitting here they're just jumping site inside mystery up and down like grind changes every like four. So this video both duo video back to back releases a little shocking to know that he was Nestroy the whole time, and he just was silent and how to arrive back in the US, or I think he was driven he made this. I just don't know how he like a one no actually happened because he was apparently asleep. Yes. Should have been at least while this is all happening on for a very long time. So did you see the photos of LAX? It's so good. And you please show me those I cannot believe it. Right. Actual paparazzi there. Go. And they're like, well, he shows up to LAX and five hundred dollar product sake. That's the best. I did read that detail the socks it's like how did you to do so back to back these videos release, and this is where the real controversy begins? So. Whoo f- that was a little strange. It's the go. So it's the ghost it literally, the ghost of James harles career coming to murder me and my sleep literally, maybe he's the noise, I've been hearing in the ad. Hey sister. The house. Poses. Through. So. Stop. I'm screaming. Okay, the photos are on deal. Millions, of course and my God. I mean, could you imagine the first time you get pop routes for this. Oh my God. I'm gay. So the video that Taty releases has been viewed thirty four million times since may tenth and I read this on two days ago. So I think it's higher now in the aftermath as of Tuesday, she'd gained almost four million followers, boosting her subscriber count to almost nine and a half million. She's actually ten point two now. Okay, crazy. You watch sociably dot com. If you go on there, I mean, it's literally people Jim Charles suggests Google searches subscriber live count, and it goes to this website immediately. She's only city inclined. I've been following it since episode started Jim shows up and down. He's started at what over sixteen. Yeah. He was the most followed makeup guru on Instagram. I mean on, on YouTube, he's thirteen million four hundred thousand yet. So he's lost quite a bit slow, everyone was like Jeffrey star is now the most followed and I was like, so you replace the racist. Bottom with the racist bottom, like this is the bench and we're just swapping in now just the same highlights like I don't. I don't get it. So anyways, bunch of things start to happen. So this is where the drama escalates. So metro releases this list of celebrities that have allegedly unfiled James, Charles includes Karachi in Kylie Jenner, Demi Lovato, Miley, Cyrus Katy Perry. Iggy azalea and Shawn Mendes. To loud that stand. So spokesman person for Kylie reaches out to the Daily Mail in response to the metro article, and was like, I actually never followed James via even though she did a video with him where she wore his merch I've never heard of momentum. So then singers are Larssen famous for being someone you haven't heard of commented and said LL, I'm cackling, because he hit my boyfriend up in the DM's several times, knowing damn. Well, he's straight. And then later deleted the comment and said, I felt like deleting this 'cause I checked, and it wasn't several times, only one DM and some comments under a picture. And then a Livia O'Brien, okay. This is like a truly truly wild sentence, singer, Livia O'Brien, who I've also never heard of said, same sister, shits wild. And then. The Daily Mail like appended to just be as star star star star star as and I was like God. So also, okay. So Jeffrey start decides to jump in the right. And this is where I really liked just couldn't do deal. Yeah. Quote. There's a reason that Nathan his boyfriend band Charles from ever coming over to our home. Again. There's a reason why I haven't seen him since Totti's birthday in February. He's a danger to society. You are too. So listen, if we're going to talk about the two plagues like horsemen like you are the horsemen of a pestilence. Listen Lamborghini, like burned to the ground, like I can't do it in the class war will burn Jeffrey star. Live in his roles ROY I wanna drive through where. My favorite was remember when he posed with Cameron's pink, whatever it was. And then came run called about it was like that's not your car. I think about that once a day. So anyways, so James responded with his own video and. I don't play it here. Do we have to because I don't want to why don't I do dramatic reading? Okay. Why don't we do? If I close my eyes. Maybe I'll really like guys I've already seen it. But, you know, let me get into character. Let me take a drink of this out hall, by the behind to say real quick, you were shitting on that side or the whole this is disgusting. And you. The new one still brain. It's got. Right as we started. This I needed to be any braided for this topic. Okay. Here we go. It just need to like. We're shaking so much. Any kurt? Okay. The big release ad okay. Okay. Okay. I'm good. Okay. Good. Okay. I hate knowing that I disappointed not only my fans but who people that have been role models for me doing this? Soaks the most is that I've known that there's nothing I can say do. Friendship trust buck. But I don't blame him for it. A lot of time when I've had to dress things in the past, I've, I've acted out impulses and I've gone up, and I'm trying to pull for seats or facts or screen shots and pleaded victim, and I'm not doing that today. I'm not. That is not as up to say. Are you were like a mum to me? It's, it's, it's really shocking. It's really shocked spirit in that moment. Like I really did feel possessed to. I had to I channeled something from the other side like I do really do think it just goes taunting are addict. Like I just I felt him come over me. It's just shower in all of those eight minutes. He doesn't ever actually respond directly to any of the occupation. So the reason why classic youtuber apology. It's all like eight minutes of ideas, but I did. But I'm not talking about what I did because if I did just knowledge in I'm hurt just hurt. I'm hurting rowing. I moving on a hurt. Okay. And I'm growing, and I'm, I'm getting better all the time, but you know, we're not perfect all the time. And so, my commitment to my fans, I'm gonna make it up to okay because I'm going to be better. And, you know, Taty I'm, I'm so sorry that if what I said hurt you. And if what I did hurt you. That was not my intention you were, you're the best touchy. I'm so sorry please. Please me back on. Channel, please. I need the clout. And I need this script. No, I know I'm just inferring now because this is what's really good guy. God. I mean. Capital. Listen, three million three plus million subscribers. Let's talk. Let's talk. Let's talk. Let's talk with stock. You did not become as famous as glam life guru without being a little bit conning. And with the shits on how the internet works, right? Like it is half personality have alchemy, but like Addis certain threshold to maintain your status and stay above what the general chaos. And fray of YouTube is, you do have to be able to maneuver, right? Like we can both agree on that it really is outcome when you said it's actually like. But at the end of the day, you also do have to know how to stay above the fray, and it seems like Taty has managed to do that, because she is consistently attached to James Charles, and has a vague like any and all repercussion. Lhasa g- you to bounce back is like the truth. Yes, the real story really happen between us. So I will just start with that because I am going to enter something into this conversation that I have yet to share with anybody. And I personally think that she could give two fucks about those fucking vitamins, because I watched her video, and I was trying to make a sense of what was really going on with the real motivation because she was jumping around a lot. And I really do want to say like you guys, listen. I mean, did not need to be forty five minutes say that I glibly joked about this on Twitter. But we all got our straight chasing out of the way when we were seventeen. And it amounted to like asking a guy what time it was in geometry, and then being like, oh, it's four clog, and then you go to your friends, and it's like he asked me how my day was Steve guys. Like, I'm glad we got it out of the way, right? We all did. What I am trying to say, I'm gonna believe that that's part out because I, there's just some team we've been say so anyways, what I'm trying to say, though, is like it's wrong, and it's predatory, but it's what Taty is doing is, she is taking something that she seemingly allowed to happen for a very long time in her presence and something she seems to not really have called out until now when it was an opportunity to attack right? Like that's so important those because the last few weeks before James Charl before this happened. There's been leading drama. There's been a perfect owner Bill spot open for games because there's tour we had the drama with the house. It's Tele drama. Okay. Let's say if it was really that bad for you to sit through. You would have called him out before you had an opportunity to attach your hair gummy is right because I want y'all to. Get some fucking sense when it comes to how marketing works what do they say? What do they lost about press? Do you know that saying, I'm going for me press is good press? Yes. And what is at the center of this story, James will know what is at the center of this drama an object hair vitamins. It's hard to remember that though. Because it's not it's not what's really the drum. But when but that's what you to say are entering in it. They lead their motivation. Listen, listen. This is how do it this, how you do it. It's smart rather than attaching your brand at the front, right? Like she knew. She couldn't just say you went out and did another promotion without me. She said, you announed did this. But I'm going to spill your t that I know is dangerous to your use analogy and your reputation and I'm going to spread that throughout my stations of you going against my will going behind my brand. Stabbing me in the back, whatever you say and doing this other spun for sugar bear, right? Like she threw that in so that her brand name was in the mix, and then is like, but it's really about you, being a predator. But you've known he wasn't manager, you bring up multiple inst-. Senses over the last year where you witnessed predatory behavior. And so if it was a problem for you. You would have called it out when it was really a problem for you. But if you sit on it, and hold it as collateral and let you happen to new that being attached to James Charles benefited, you, you knew that you could use James Charles being close to your proximity for cloud for followers. I mean closer has less so by allowing him into her orbit and mentoring him. She takes on the motherly figure James trusts her. He shouts out in her videos. It's good. And then you have all these things on him that you say are so bad and so life, ship and friendship ending, but it doesn't really end your friendship because you stayed friends with him until he went behind your back with sugar bear. So then sugar bear comes along, and it's actually just about the money for you. That's what I'm trying to say. Taty like I don't money time a shit about her accusations of straight chasing because. It's so clear that it's just about the money for this. It's about her brand, and I hate that shit. Because now we have the fucking National Enquirer printing things about straight men being harassed targeted by gay men who are simply, like in their orbit. Like watch out guys, the gays are on the prowl, and they're going to predatory behavior you like. The heavier you, they're going to be predatory to you. They're going to chase after you try. There was the NBC news dot com article called the cancellation of James Charles. I was like this is actually where we've gone. And if totting NBC dot com India online. I'm just gonna say this. She opened up a can of worms. She knew she was opening up a can of worms and I just think that now we have the Daily Mail making like homophobic, conspiracy theories about all gay men chasing straight men. I just think that that's like so irresponsible about your brand, and your fucking fake as hair vitamins that we have consistently in the FDA in various labs across America. Proven don't shit and really be more dangerous for you. Just. He's not exactly the same as laxatives or the shit that you buy on a fucking infomercial. That's just bull. And like I'm sorry, but literally making your brand about selling products to teens in general and kids who don't have the wherewithal to actually understand true media literacy. And the fascist also. Soldier, Paul Andes. Where we go to the break, I want to make this point. Makeup grew. Twitter is so evil to me and YouTube is so evil to me. Because the beauty industry convinced a generation of teenagers that the beauty industry is their best friend, and in doing so six entered into the personal lives of teens across America, many of whom turn to you, too, because they are vulnerable or lonely or manic or depressed or have mental health problems, or just need something to feel understood with which is a common experience for kids everywhere, like YouTube didn't create this kid's of always been needing acceptance and community. Youtube is just the new place for right? And so they're like, but now it's market when we are on their phones, and on YouTube, we are in their personal space in a way that, like for us on television, turn the TV off and go to bed because we didn't have TV in our rooms, most of the time, unless you were like the rich kid, but now, they're like, in their beds in their room when house when you everyone has one. You can't escape it. It's on Instagram. It's on Twitter. It's on YouTube. It's on your television throughout color. It's on covergirl posters like you can't escape the makeup industry now. And so they have like your best friend. We're trying to make you beautiful. Yes. Girl, self love self empowerment, but also here's a product, here's no. And I'm like, what really scares the makeup industry or on YouTube specifically is that use it could be or like it was with lot of forms in the past police, repeal of any type could really come together and maybe agree and have fun KiKi on this type of, like hobby or passion of theirs. But now it's become a thing where you join in, and you are have to buy into an industry by the people that you're learning from so the follow the like Totti's and James, Charles, and Geoffrey stars and all the other makeup artists that have their own makeup lines Jenner and stuff. Now, you are expected to or the kind of the point now this point is that you follow them to buy their merch into by their shit comes out regularly. It's either cheap or expensive either way. You're still hooked on monthly service. Sisters, high high sisters hyg as looking for community by five hundred dollar to or take in my four hundred dollar makeup expire into my not even the makeup. The merch also washing my follow along. Roads for like other website. Don't turn off YouTube. Don't get you to premier so I can get my ad sense dollars like don't use adblocker so that I can get my ad sense, dollars x y and z by my product like my page, share my post, it's so insidious especially because it's marketed to children. It's the same feelings, I have for jobs, really don't like, and I don't talk about much because I don't know enough but there are YouTubers now that are like literally age of eight to like eleven that are making you to Oriels and doing stuff because of these other YouTubers and it doesn't money. Yes. Ryan toys review has his own toy line light. Now. We have people that can promotions daughters like doing stuff because she needs to get into the fashion industry because she's in. It's like it just it just good younger, younger, younger James Charles started like sixteen or fifteen also now. He's only nine today's the thing, which are just see what we talked about where she's like, anything that you can buy, you can get with my face on it. And also, like, there are kids in America sleeping on jets jersey while beds Josie while pillows Joe's. While rugs Josie wa drapes Josie. Watts. Level of socks thing backpack. And this girl is like, I'm your best friend, and then there is literally like a board room of people behind are trying to figure out ways to monetize personality. I just think like when YouTubers are grown and they continue doing that. It's dark, take a break and real conscious. She gained three million will he lost three million. It's literally, I wanna say theft highway robbery, but it actually has the equivalent Samuel. You were literally send tissue petition by shrunk in new chunky knew what she was doing. She knew it was going to ruin -tations. She knew she was going on. Something like this. She knew she was going to be on the front page of the Daily Mail for five days straight. We'd all be talking about it making fucking podcasts about it talking about it at work, all of our children or teens. If you're a parent are going to be discussing if she was smart. She thought that if she wasn't smart enough than I and then you have Shane Dawson jumping in the cut to be like love my life liberal. She makes all the videos about Jake Paul, but actually, we're like friends, and then, like Jane Jeffrey stars like, yeah, he's actually interested citing all this stuff. And I'm like, engine Dawson is made, like multiple videos about this wire. We calling out the now that are. His name that fucking Shane Dawson was like love halo beauty. I wanna take this time to say Taty your products are amazing. I've been using it. That was awful. I are we all on board that Shane Dawson? It's cloud chaser came. Yes, all that, that's what he is doing Dawson is not even like in the realm of. I mean, if you just like when the most popular on YouTube, he's not talked about, like, in the sense. We even see James Charles or any of these other top tier people he's kinda like had his time has gone. I just think it's so funny, though, that y'all like gassed him up into thinking he's investigative journalist now because he made some documents to see theory video about fucking Chucky cheese. Anyways, let's take one more break lose. Okay. So we're back. Let's quickly get through this. So there was a bunch of like texts in like guys that came forward. We have this is actually really. I wanna clarify like I am not saying it is. Okay to prey on straight guys. Because you're gay I am saying that the way that Taty utilized that fact to open up a can of worms that has now been grabbed firmly by the conservatives among us. It's only dangerous stereotype Iran to like a long-term like yeah. Stereotype of. Yeah. Predatory game exactly like camp change in the dressing room or change in the locker room has the gay guys. My Ogle you. And that's what I'm finding. So a lot of these guys, I will just say, this is where I really hate the press now around this. Oh, oh, I know this is from the Daily Mail. It's exclusive, he told me I was the hottest guy he ever laid eyes on. I told him I wasn't gave lager reveals how James Charles meet him question, his sexuality, as the disgraced youtuber arise at LAX and product healed. Okay. So Christ youtuber in Prada high heels. Okay. So Carmen Carmen. Sa- Lido English. Youtube star known as touch delight toll daily mill dot com. How makeup blogger James Charles tried to seduce him with forty Texan Adam questions sexuality he's heterosexual. He's twenty and he is he is known for being in a relationship with British youtuber Kate Elizabeth said holler, James kept telling me how he was the hottest guy he ever lays eyes on then LA base. James, Charles repeatedly questioned his sexuality. He said Jane's made me question myself. He asked me, are you? Sure, you aren't gay, or by are you? Sure. So, I'll he's with somebody or has dated women before. Yeah. Then you too. I just want to say like this is from what he said, specifically. So all just read a statement to the Daily Mail, and then we could go from there. I was bitcoin in LA last summer. And I went to and after. Party attended by some huge YouTube stars. I noticed James staring at me from across the room at the party after a while I went up to him and introduced myself we started talking. He thought we had a connection our conversation lasted for about thirty minutes before we left each other. He got out of my social media contacts. He hugged me, goodbye told me he was going to be in touch a few days later. He started contacting me via social media. He was flirty but never inappropriate. He kept telling me how I was the hottest guy he ever laid eyes on a few days later, after we met I defy back to London. We stayed in contact for the next week or so, then I told him I didn't want to lead him on. I told him I wasn't gay James made me question myself. He asked me. Are you? Sure, you aren't gayer by are you sure, I finally had to tell him that I didn't wanna lead him on the bottom line is, I wasn't as interested in him as he was in me after this conversation. He blocked me on Instagram and blocked. My number he still follows me on Twitter, I guess he's forgotten about that. He hasn't contacted me since he also posted a video on YouTube. Reset you James repeatedly texted him. You're. Good-looking. So I just want to make a couple of comments about that. James Charles is a fucking weirdo, with no boundaries clearly, but the Daily Mail is making him sound like a Weinstein level predator repeatedly throughout this article, which is so irresponsible. I mean, let's be honest. Let's be honest, what straight men go through when is, is like saying that and saying, like questioning their sexuality, I don't have any empathy to really give. I don't think it. Fragile fucking unless they actually are like, in a longterm friendship or like physically mentally abused them to the state that is just doing that. That would if you were fitted. And men forcing yourself on another person, but it was like I had to block him locked followed me home like that is a very different story story. But just saying lie. Oh, you're, you're. And he repeatedly asked me, your super hot. Hi, daddy. And then you said you weren't and he goes over you. Sure, you're not by a ha- like just. Is it embarrassing? Yes. And dumb, and it is predatory. But I is trying to say that I would find nine times out of ten that have girls in these quotes straight guys orbits had the same behavior which listen, there are messy girls among us as a girl, I can say this, I don't have to play into this narrative that we're all these, like, pure innocent people all of the time, I know, plenty of girls that throw themselves at men, I know that and I'm not judging you for it. I'm just saying it is a fact, there are women in the world that do the same kind of behavior, two guys that they like like James Charles is doing to the men. He finds attractive now I don't see these men going into the Daily Mail and being like, oh I was. Being stalked by all these like hawk girls that like, wanted my number. It's like, oh, I have girls falling. All over me all the time. Right. And it did a compliment to them, but a guy gay guy gives you the same level of attention. Would've your women stockers or like women fans it becomes something to talk about and be like I've never experienced anything like this in my life. Well, that's a lie also knowing how the YouTube community works and the way these fans tend to operate, you, four sure have girls hitting you up in your DM's constantly being like high daddy, like. Hello. Have you ever read the comments on one of the avengers cast members Instagram's? Yeah. I am not making excuses that I wanna repeatedly stress. I am just saying this is not as serious as we are making one side out of the complex story. And I think that the media is essentially it into game in our predators. So there's other things where I find his behavior to be worse. This is one of them. So Sam Cooke is nineteen. He works at John Howie stake in Seattle. He is the waiter, that Taty was referring to when she said James kept saying, like I don't care if he's straight. I'm famous right? So I think that that is super revealing. Oh James's personality type. Yeah, he said that when he first met James, he posted his own video that we got his information from he described himself as being by curious. He said he met, Charles, who kissed him and Charles, tell room and then the pair stopped at that he also posted in the video that he had sent messages to Charles days later. Tilling himself. He did not consider himself gay, and we'll be happy, just remained friends. He posted screen shots of messages from Charles which said, you're not straight, no matter how many times you tell yourself so that I think is actually, the predatory behavior. I think that, that is super creepy to be like, you don't know yourself, you're so gain you one. I mean listen. I think we all know those girls who have used tactics like that, or we've seen how this doctors can be girls. We mean gays. Let's of I wanted to clarify, what you were saying to protect, of course. And I mean again, like you said he's also nineteen he actually is nineteen years old twenty at the most. I mean, that's what I've been able to verify at least this is still somebody who'd be a freshman in college. We have to give that perspective. But the, the problem is that Jim Charles has been popular on YouTube for years, gaining Massimo subscribers making allegedly millions of dollars in Adra Harris social brain rot. What is like exactly so thinking of, like that nuance form of like child labor trauma, that is mixed with being a makeup artist on YouTube? We really confused. We don't have for James Charles. We're trying to understand that I culture that made James. I want the motivation to be a lot more. I guess, sympathetic and a sense. I don't think it's simple. I guess that's more aware a more aware formerly motivation. I don't want this story of him being apprentices. Not like what is the whole thing like born? Or Brad like, in terms of volume people think this is a Brady like, I think the way that described his mother says a lot also. I think what YouTube is done to him says a lot about, as let's actually have the real take the here is that gay people in our community have not necessarily been so helpful in the, you know, like nuance of chasing straight men or like Indy. You know, I of that we should even be doing that all or that we should be making it such a. Personality trait for some people think they can convince. I don't want to go, but I'm gonna let you go out on that branch. Go for it Lawson. I, I think I did I. I need to say to say more in terms of the most saints ends. I've ever read from the Daily Mail on Tuesday, male model j Alvarez twenty three best known for dating model Alexis, Ren. Sure. Like who the caption people giving this kid too much props? He got no game. So this isn't Instagram DM between so dumb, J Alvarez and James, Charles James. Okay. Wait. Actually, why don't you play j Alvarez all play James. Charles. Okay. Hi, daddy. The artist makeup God. What's good? Oh, love that ha-. I just woke up not much. What about you? Same same. Just getting ready to go on a few trips. What brings you to my Deums? Ooh, where are you traveling to Ella mayo? Your hot men long trips Spain Ukraine, Egypt Istanbul in Africa and appreciate that. My guy, I'm straight as could be Winky, hits them, and keep as much. People giving this kid too much props. He got no game laughing emoji tilted the chaos merchants at BuzzFeed, not BuzzFeed news. I feel like that distinction in levels of chaos merchant tree is an important one to me. So just like listed Arab BuzzFeed did around up of text messages that have come out thirteen this thirteen allege screen shots about Charles. Totti's candle goes over the ones that were, let's just go through these. Let's goes or sin popular Instagram or so. What happened? Let's read this. Let's read this. I'll be James. Oh, wow. You're so hot. My wife is so hot you face. We could've just accepted the compliment. Have a lovely day. I take it as more of a compliment, when someone says nice things about my marriage and my wife, but thinks anyway, have an awesome day, man purple heart emoji. The bastion heavier musician. I'll play James again. So I actually comes from Sebastian in this case. Loading loading, the tweet you're loading. So here we go. Here we go. I'm like, I'm waiting. Hey, haya. How are you legend? I'm amazing. How are you ha- working on new video right now? Going to start getting ready for my day soon. How about you productive just got back from the studio smiley face? What are your plans for today? Oh, love that kind of music. Uploading in a little bit then getting glam and going to something or other. Holy shit. That's awesome will. Hey, I'll be in the big union, July. Would love to hang. It'd be fun smiley face down. Okay. Cool, I can actually DM you. When I get there, actually what's your number might be easier. And then they pushed it put it a put a put it put a bunch of. Oh, well, they blocked out his address might be easier to talk to you on their than DM's K. So then he goes last year, I used to watch Charles quite a bit, I knew I was heading to as so. I thought I'd EMC if he wanted to hang didn't know a lot of people in L is, so I was just trying to make some friends. Okay. Okay. So you jumped his Deums called him legend, completely indulged him and ploughshares consistently in his DM's calling him leads that are trying to be friends with him. Okay. But after realizing I was honestly just trying to be friends with him. He kept calling me names like Cutie every time we talk and send messages like this again, I didn't wanna say so uncomfortably just kept saying it was. All right. Okay. Girl, there's a lot of other ones here, and it's like this is so like it's awful of cloud. Look, it's awful of cloud chasing. The whole thing like on the both sides. So he James Simmons screen shot of a tweet and goes, you are so cute. And then he says, thank you. James says Elham five days later guy. I know. L alot Scott Scott Scott like. This and then he goes in the next one. So he quotes a tweet and goes, okay? Does anyone like tall boys, because hey and then James goes? Yeah. Two weeks later or like day later while really shot my shot and miss there. And I'm so sorry phone has been on do not disturb. I didn't see your text like a whole twenty four hours later, by the way. So then he goes, I'm really not one to start drama. I just thought it would speak out about my experience with James Charles. It's now okay to force your sexuality on others. Give people the message that it is okay to speak up and talk about it. You are not alone. Okay. So you jumped into his DM's knowing full, well, clearly as someone who called him a legend. Right. Like you must know something about James Charles. Exactly jumped in repeatedly tried to get him to be with you repeatedly tried to get into the studio clearly was cloud chasing. And then he like, makes two passes. And then you don't. I mean listen. Again, the power dynamics of a super famous person, like James Charles sliding into people's DM's. It's a power imbalance. It is predatory. But like the thing here is, it's okay. You are not alone like this is what the conversation is being gay men are targeting people enforcing their sexuality on others. Okay. Then there's. Love examples, are that there were the text text messages of the DM's at least start from the perspective of the person calling James shells out like messaging, Jim Charles I, which is just a weird. And a lot of them are, honestly you have to read a lot into it. Like I don't I? There was also somebody, Shane case, sir Pence quickly. She's a makeup artist at Shane zero four one one who did get a message from James Charles Stanley, you're pretty she saying. Oh, so are you and he's like babe McGaw you get the wigs from and she's like, hey sister gun from several brands, you know, wigs weaves fashion. Bob la. And then apparently he used them in a video immediately afterwards, like did not credit her to it whatsoever, which I think that this is actual predatory behavior. I will say also like actual like production. I wanna say like I'm not saying James Charles is not a fucking weirdo, these ones between grant Landes, where he goes, I literally try to DM this to you and said love the fort Chester's. You have their ha but it failed to send and then they talk for a little bit. And then LL you look hot as fuck either way. I appreciate it. Oh my God. And then like sends him as selfie that this, dude. I'd taken. Shortlists SMH. Dubbed. What is dubbed left on open ha like ignored no response. And then that's pretty much it again. He droops no game though. Like, that's the worst part. I just like think it's so cloud chase. All of these comments like again he is a fucking weirdo. I'm not saying that I just think that like these examples, I was led to believe a story that didn't actually happen. I guess another one is like, czar Larson veasley James Charles jumping in the cut. I just like. Yet boyfriend getting DM's from him. Confusing because you know what it is. It's when the people in the story, I like I guess this is my fault. I guess I find these men unsympathetic, and that is my problem. I think that that's like something I should say, is, like, I don't find this a sympathetic story for these people, the all do after his video and a lot of it is a little, like wishy washy in the sense of life, sow Pretoria, wasn't, how serious was this really? It was just I don't wanna listen like, again you some of them, I think do really feel victimized, and I really do have tons of sympathy for that, as someone who is a victim. Like I understand that feeling of feeling I can't speak out against someone who was more popular or famous than you again. I very well know that feeling. But I guess I just like these examples I'm being given I am having our time mustering the sympathy. And so I guess I need to work on that, but I do want to quickly bring up at the end, so we said, we're going to talk about these vitamins. And I just want to say I've found this Daily Mail article is just a Daily Mail report today. Why gummy vitamins do not work and ingredients that can make them tasty. Do more than this, this, like consumer labs compared fifty different multivitamins and found that eighty percent of the gummy is did not meet the standards of dietary supplements. According to the FDA our bodies need thirteen vitamins from our diet, fortified foods, or dietary supplements, as a last resort and multivitamins are meant to supply at least some of this. However, gummy vitamins b may be replacing their nutrients with unhealthy ingredients that make them tasty. So consumer loud purchased fifty popular multivitamin products, including five brands of gummy vitamins in the United States, and Canada and intestine them for several key nutrients, twelve of the multivitamins, contained twenty four percent. Fewer nutrients than what was list on the label and his high as a hundred and fifty. Percent. More than listed most gummy vitamins are not approved by the FDA, meaning they aren't tested in a way that other medications are meant to coincide or they're not tested to make sure other medications don't coincide with their packaging label and information nutritionist, Nikki, Australia and owner of NATO wellness told Daily Mail online that she never recommends vitamin stir clients, and said, a lot of gummy vitamins, artificial fillers in them, like food, coloring and high-fructose corn syrup and preservative. Choose to candy. It's literally just can't the five Gumy's contained too much vitamin A. We actually can be due to the difficulties of making them in the manufacturer sprang too much nutrients on them. Vitamin a is fat soluble vitamin, which means the body's stores in the liver and other organs, and it is not digested as easily as other water soluble vitamins. She also said that too much fat soluble, vitamins can cause dizziness nausea headaches, joint pain and heart disease. She adds. Is that one of the biggest issues with them is exactly what makes them popular? The taste the fact that gummy vitamins are Kintu candy causes people mostly kids to overeat them, which results in dangerous overdoses curl, can I read this from allure the FDA just released a new warning about bio Tim supplements? Yes. Last year allure report on a study suggesting that taking high doses of bio, tin could screw certain diagnostic test results to false positives or negatives for everything from pregnancy to cancers. Like car is an statement released this week, the FDA can confirmed, quote, the FDA is alerting the public health care providers lab, personnel and lab has developers that bio tin. Consignia Kentley interfere with certain lab tests and cause incorrect has results which make it went to texted. So bio tin is stored your body, whether it comes from your diet, or from a pill and at bonds with certain proteins, which can be measured to detect a variety of health conditions doctors can measure your out, ten levels. As a way determine the presence of said protein markers. But if you're taking a bio, Tim supplement that can be that can make the test results and accurate, these false skewed tests could lead to serious consequences. The FDA says that they have seen an increase the number reported adverse events including one death related to Boughton interference with lab tests. Bio tin is the Niger literally a death. It's a natural environment. We get it from eggs, whole grains, all men's. You know, whatever if you're eating a normal food, you should not really have an increase in this or any problems with this. But of course, the risk of running important test results comes into play when the supplements, which to six hundred fifty times, six hundred fifty times, the recommended daily intake that the FDA recommends, it's the level about the cause a false positive on a pregnancy test or false negative in cancer, simply put it will literally fuck up your results for extremely life threatening illnesses that could that are very time sensitive wild wild. I also cannot wait to bring up more. Have the details on me right now obviously, when you get into the episode, but there's this great study that I remember about whole foods were they tested, I think, majority of all the vitamins that result of whole foods and found that a shortage of them were filled of the same seaweed filler that is usually used in any other pills. But just but just the seat filler nothing else in there. Nothing. Yeah. That's gonna be fine. I cannot wait for that. That is going to be a great moment in what time it to, you know, talk about it, her those episode sister. Just like what a world, what world to live in. I mean, they, it's really when I saw NBC dot com. Talk about the cancellation of James Charles. I was like you know what actually this was a mistake. Oh, I'm gonna put a disclaimer at the end of at the beginning of this episode. Again, I just wanna say for those of you stuck through it. We are not making excuses at all for people like James Charles. We are not also making excuses for predators. I just think that we need to look at the context of the situation in realized that the story, we were told is a story cloaked to make us shocked and make us angry. But it is also a story, meant to sell us a product and I think that Totti's perception and recounting of James's behavior was colored by her intent to put her brand first and foremost. So I will put that at the beginning, again because I. Sometimes on these episodes when we get into these topics, we get listeners, don't listen all the way through, and I get them in my DM's, and I would prefer, you guys to just know where we are coming from at the jump. But other than that, I think we're done, I think next week we're going to get into the crazy world of supplements. I think it's going to make crazies. I'm Knockin alive. Like we said it before, we'll say it again, if you just like have some vegetables chicken, whatever your doctor, recommends just like walk three minutes a day. You'll be fine like you really be fine. Doesn't it? What six the water, you don't need to do this? You don't explain exactly why you don't. So can't wait at the end of it. Also, let's talk about our patriot for a sec. So we're going to be putting up our poll tomorrow for the new deep dive we're going to start working on it. We also just talked about our summer schedule and cemented it. 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James Charles Drama Continued, Abortions Becoming Illegal, Returning Gifts From Your Partner |EP#25

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James Charles Drama Continued, Abortions Becoming Illegal, Returning Gifts From Your Partner |EP#25

"What, what, what? What's going on everyone? Saying that what? Going on. I feel good. Whether is nice like I'm enjoying this now where you get up early in the morning night, even early we've been getting up eight nine o'clock, and it's just like you open the blinds up, you walk outside and it's just like bright. I love it like it's a change from the cold, weather and everything. The only thing I hate is the mosquitoes that in the fact that we have to put the AC and soon, a few, that's a whole year, stink will the hot weather in general Cerny like warm warm out where you just made the whole positiveness just go down. What's going on everyone? I am your co hosts Chanel joined by my lovely fiance hates Lauren. And as always hope everyone has had a great weekends SOGA for for this week to speed on by here because it's more day weekend. And I love a nice long weekend. Okay. I'm don't be sold t now don't be a lot of salt in of long. Leave him. Shutouts. Everyone has a nice three day weekends. Yeah. I guess. Was that don't? You know, take off a day enjoy it as like it say, take over day. You work too hard. Let's get into it. So it's been a lot of lot of continued t is what you call this. That's what I'm calling it. So pretty much in the past week, we've had Todd video the continued shit store. She continue on with her video. They're kinda like apologizing easing things. Johnson apologizing like miss should've gone to the extreme. Maybe maybe I mean, she basically was like, yeah, you know, knock it off chill out, like, you know, she never thought and she actually thought that she would be the one getting the backlash because she's the one who put it out. So it went the other way, she was taken by surprise to get into the moment whole thing, we're gonna get into that moment here and then James shows drought. His video his forty minute video there, I guess that's just the time over forty. And then this many things, it's pretty much like a triangle, currently Jeffrey star Taty and James Charles before we get James chose. I just want to briefly hit Jeffrey star. Because before his video came out people started saying, like they were attacking his past dug up a video of him grabbing, like this guy's balls and saying, oh, these are big, he's fire for Minnesota, and that and that's the issue because it's like granted these were back in two thousand ten like these clips. He's. I mean back then it was it was an edgier space. I'm sure I was saying some wild stuff just to get reactions out of people on Twitter, but where you actually grabbing a man's ball. I would never do that in my life. I would. I mean as a kid we did punch each other on the balls. But we were kids, I. There was no. Like it was always a closed fist. It was never like grabbing hand going in. Let me give in real visual real quick. And some kid read it all, and I was like, yo. That's what I play in this game with you anymore shoot. Then he also made saw Jeffrey star heroes, also made a song called straight guys supposedly well. Alleys while I don't know song, but I'm could fused. That's what you are. You wanna say. Tired? Yes, I'm tired anyways. So. Was I going to say now? You did. I say, I'm confused. I don't know any. I don't know the song. I don't I never listen to Lonzo never really knew he existed back in my space days. I don't know if I was too young or what whatever. But it wasn't my seen the thing is I feel like at the end of the day James idolized him because he ended up getting a may Jeffrey ended up getting a man who had always been straight. And then now they've been the other like over four years or something like that. And it worked out for them supposedly, we don't know what happens behind closed doors. We don't know how it actually is. But it seems like it worked out. And so, I think I think then from the comments that he seen Jeff redo and from seeing that relationship come from an all I feel like he idolized him in wanted to have the same situation. It originated with Jeffrey which is not surprising because he honestly stirs up a lot of drama more. So he looked at it as like a. I guess you could say some type of role model or like saying, like, oh, that's like, that's a possibility like putting that, like idea where you see like an adult doing something like, oh, okay. He he he's done. It has to be like a wait for me to do that. So I, I do agree there because he like cut out certain clip within that, like forty minute video of Jeffrey star saying explaining why he goes for that. I guess. Yeah. He had done a video. I don't remember video that was. Clearly, a more serious video but he was talking about how like why that's a thing in the in the LGBTQ community. I, I don't know. And I don't wanna step on toes. I don't know how it works but it all just seems like a very gray area. Because it you know, and like it's funny because someone tweeted something along the lines of. You know because they've been throwing around that. Oh, they're straight. And then they say, oh, there by curious. If you're like this, it was a guy who said this, he's like, if I'm by curious sure, but if I'm fully straight, I have zero interest in making out with another guy. So like, then he's trying to prove a point that, like all of these boys and stuff that got involved. We're never fully straight dog. I don't understand because I'm sitting here like yeah. As you say they like saying this I'm like, were you funding, these guys that are saying that the actually buy, or maybe there were gain didn't wanna come out like I'm so confused. Like it makes me feel like I'm like in a world where I don't know the people around 'cause I'm like, what is that? True is not like I'm so lost because the one with the he's talking about the guy Sam for example, that win over James, Charles hotel room, and they like like made out and watch movie and stuff like that. And like I assuming it's the first time that kid has done something like this. I think he said that. And it's just like like I'm so lost right now. And I also still question the motives. I don't know. Because sure these people could all be by or by carriers or however, you want to label them. But at the same time you kind of wonder if any of them are in it for the money. Well, that's, that's what I thought 'cause I briefly, saw SAM's video, what he I put it out. And I don't think I saw clips. I don't think I even like the whole thing in, like one of the things was like after he went home. His sister talked him into like deeming James Charles he didn't get into the details of why sister talked him into it. But in my head if, if a family member, told me this, I'm thinking, they know who James Charles is like, yo. He can, you know, like play nice with them. Essentially, you can get something out. Right. Let's in my head. I was thinking. Yeah, you got a yawning problem. You know what that boring piece so judgmental? It's like man. That's what I was thinking. I'm so I I really felt like. I feel like a lot of these guys. They could be by want to say they're not. Because of course, I'm not that person to say so, but I also feel like this, the money is the motivator in this weather. James, Charles says, like, oh, I'm a celebrity get what I want when he doesn't doesn't matter position. Now he clarified its famous not so that unless here's a position as just like people are to use that to get what they want. Right. So if I know you, I can make this guy, and he'll like being on a couple of days and, you know, he'll be voi- friend or whatever and get things out of this. Why not? That's what I'm thinking like being on the other side of it. But of course James Charles go for blackout. So. Honestly, I don't think like I go for James Charles. I mean, I don't think they're open to this, this ridiculousness. Stay away from this what I was going to stay away from this. But I don't know. I was gonna say we because I'm like, I don't know any strip black guy that would go hang out with James stroz and make up make out with them in be like I've found out that I was by right? Like I think what was happening was they would pretend they were by or, or say that they were and then say end up saying, no I'm actually straight. I think that's what was actually happening. Probably too, because they're trying to get in there. But that's my big. But then at the same time I'm confused because it sounds like he also manipulated straight guys too. So I I this whole thing is coming lately, constantly confusing or not. We're not we're not in that circle. And that's why I found his video. I don't know. He shot seats talk about the new video he showed you receipts of like all these takes Harris Asians, whether it was Instagram or I message on your phone. I don't know what to believe because here it goes him. Hold up for minute. Here we go where he puts like he essentially is like flipping the gun back to them back to t J James Jeffrey, where it's like you guys had all this about me. Got you guys all because I responded to literally everything that has been mentioned in the past week or two or whatever now what you're gonna do. And I couldn't find any flaws in it, but I- certain points of that. I, I felt he was reaching like when he was like, oh, my mom's cancer survivor, guilt, thing, that's like, when he was okay with other. He admits on camera, how he went to such a dark place. He didn't come back from. And he's like, wow. I didn't I can't believe I admitted that on camera. And he looked like a robot when he said that. All right. Like you that did not seem genuine when you were like shocked, you said that pulling on hurt stream. Did was like a depressed. Whatever it. So that's why you had to like go or like. And it's like it could be true. I don't trust him because I feel like this guy was gonna right. He he's into anything. He has to, to get back on everyone's good side. I don't know like when it came to receipts Scher but at the same time, you know what's funny is the cynical part of me looks at those texts. And you know how you can see like the blue parts him and there were no responses and stuff. Technically you can go in and delete the. Wanted, and then take a screen shot, and then make it look like that. So, like there's that too. But also do you really? What all this happened? Are you really surprised? You weren't getting responses, like I don't know. It's it's like can you really blame the people like Taty and, and stuff for just not wanting to talk to you anymore? I don't know. It's, it's interesting. And he's saying, I tried reaching out so then it's hurt her and all that, and I get that. But. I don't know. And then even. Okay. Jeffers, a whole other thing. He like I said last week he. It's, he's one of those people that you just know he's always going to be involved in the drama. He's always going to be someone who stirs up the drama has, like all the dirt on you. He's one of those people that I would be terrified to be friend because, as soon as anything happens, he will destroy you. Because I have nothing to hide. Okay. So if you don't think it's cool to be with that person because, you know, Joe it's business to be yours. You still want like some private. But what would I see also? She I don't know because I like having someone like that on my side. It's like, oh I got the weapon over here. What? Question under say, if my friend was like that, you know, he's on my side, and unless I get I get, but whatever I tell the friend, I like I'm probably with it being public and whatever sense of whatever it means maybe girls are different because it's like, yeah, I tell friends stuff that I don't necessarily tell everybody when it gets, like personal things like my body so that I'm probably not gonna free tone of the guy that what you mean women talk about life stuff, relationship stuff, physical stuff. But if it's like, whatever if it's like normal relationship things like everyone goes through, like, let's like, okay. But if you're talking, like detail, or something, it's usually something, you're not gonna literally tell the world I wouldn't get into that much detail probably what my guys again. Yeah. I feel like it's different. Of course it is. That's what I'm saying. I want the weapon on my side. You don't. Right. Gimme that person. I know is so kill that. Yeah. With him. Like. He's just seems like an all around not great person. But it's really funny because people still with him. You kinda go back and forth because then there was like the Shane Dawson series, trying to make him look better. And then, like, the, you know, I feel like with Geoffrey, you go back and forth. And it just depends on what controversy he's involved in. And then what people try to shine light on and make him look like and like it's a weird. He's weird like I'm like, you don't know what to believe what thing watching this also has me like, why are you still friends with this person was James still friends with Jeffrey star? I don't think he is. Now, they are definitely, it doesn't seem like they are at all because Jeffries been tweeting stuff and saying, James Charles, not, not tagging him. Jane extent ties with the merged company as you said where he's like, oh, like you're the scum of the earth, or whatever, and all the stuff like unlike dog, I don't know the community. The thing looks very fickle d- fep, whether you're a fan or your creator in that. And it's just like I mean, you have your member. Because if they were still friends at that point like if James thought they were friends at that point, and Jeffers talking that way to him. This was also in the middle of all the uproar. And everybody's trying to figure out their place in it. And everybody's trying to like, do whatever they're doing. And you also have to remember. If you really thought you had a real relationship with this person, and you actually cared about this person them saying stuff like that to you, like, sometimes won't necessarily make that cut off. Like there's lots of people in toxic friendships relationships. Whatever where it kinda takes a long time of that. I guess. I guess I'm a different breed dead. 'cause it's a complicated situation. Like I can feel for. Yeah. Like, I don't know I can feel for everybody, I guess, but at the end of the day, I still feel like Totti's was more accurate. I do believe where she's coming from, and it's interesting because Geoffrey comes in, and then he's all like I ever seized and I have this net wait until you hear all this stuff, and then Totti's tweeting about James's video like it had half truths and lies and she's surprised by it. I don't know. It's all a hot mess at this point, and it's exhausting. And I'm so confused fuse their fins exporters, interest going to be like, we don't care. It's funny because and even other other people in the community who are like smaller, or just not this crazy. You know, they've been saying how you have to like stick with, who you're going to stick with, because now people are bouncing back and forth. Now it's going, okay. People went from Jane's detach now there. Going back from Taty to James after his video came out, and I'm like you, you have to stick with, like, who you actually believe in for me that has been Taty? I always believed out of these three people that she was always the best person character wise and everything. The reason why Taty. At least from what we could tell straighter, south as an adult is, is wise, like she, she smart. So like the people that could think logically about the situation would probably get for bit more credibility, because she doesn't look like she's not she's gonna make something up to, like, like for her self made sense, where for like James, Jeffrey, I don't know. They, they've had so many things there fishy, and like James has the whole kids things has kids, backing them sooner or later, these kids are gonna grow up and going to shift to people that are more mature if he keeps doing the same stuff. Of course, you're going to have those outliers, of course, but people grow older that as, as a as you get fired. It's hard. Because sure they both made they all make good content in their own ways. So that's what makes it hard to. But as people like, yeah, I feel it is the best actual person with character and respect like versus you know, these two boys who yeah, they'll just tweet anything that comes to mind. They don't care who they're insulting care who they're blocking all his stuff. Like you say something even slightly. They don't like your blocked like an could be the most ridiculous thing. Like they can't. It's ridiculous. Yeah. That's putting much what it is, was social media. You say anything like to anyone these doesn't praise them. Yeah. Whether it's bad or anything do have big egos of Coronel. How like oh, James tried to like aknowledge that, but I'm like. He didn't say, like none of that knowing that video, did he take. Did he like take my involvement like he was involved in anything like maybe like everything was always about, like, pushing it onto them or say or clearing it up to what other people have sent more details. Nothing like I'm like, so in this whole long saga union to anything wrong, there wasn't like any misstep of yourself. Idea. Remember him saying? Like I take responsibility, or that was my fault or whatever. But I feel like overall. Yeah. He was. You know, he was trying to say, well, this person made me do this, and this person said this wrong and this like most detail, there are like, oh, like to be clear. It's like I do agree with people who you know in the past week when we haven't heard anything from James Charles people who were saying, like he could be a bad person. And like you cannot agree with all his stuff. But you don't wish like him to, you know, die or like do anything rash and that kind of thing because. Yeah. Like a part of me was like, is this all going to go so far, that, you know? He ends up killing himself. And that's that's just like no one deserves that kind of thing. And I think that the internet made dinner at definitely did make this bigger thing that had to be, and we're guilty because we're talking about it on a podcast. But yeah, I don't know. But here's the reality, too. Why can't people grow up and learn how to talk behind closed doors? You know what I'm saying because and it's one of those that he's mad at Taty for being the original one to blast, but the amount of times that she said she tried to get through to him. I can understand fully where she's coming from where it's like you try different methods different ways different timings, different ways of saying, stuff, whatever you try so many times to get through a certain person and it's just never going to happen. So you do you try something extreme and you know, it kind of snaps them out of shape for a little bit in makes them realize. Okay. Well, and I guess that was her method of doing. So like, sure that started this whole online spiral but at the same time, every this whole community tends to do everything online, even little little disagreements turned into the biggest. Drama, online, because, like why can't you just talk like you don't have to involve the whole internet in every single little debacle? And I believe I believe, toddy again. She's an adult so I'm going to believe her, which she, like she, I feel like she probably has, like, tried talking to him and trying to show, the light, I believe it I completely feel we're taught he's coming from. So I completely still stand with her. I don't know. And yeah, no Jeffrey James definitely not friends anymore. I thought it was interesting how he saying. Oh, and I want, you know, I still want those relationships and whatever you're done, you're done, especially with Taty. She's not, she's she was very firm that she does not want to be friends with you period, and you need to respect that because you are a toxic person, and she can have an end point. You know, there's only so much you can do with people like that, so with her, and then what, what Jeffrey forget it because he's just gonna end all this, he's going to continue it and whatever he's gonna put out and it's gonna get even more dramatic. And. Yeah. So like they're just I think they all have to move on in their own ways. I feel like we've all gonna move on from this like Taty Jeffrey talk about this again. It's just like it's. We don't know who to believe, from looking too much because everyone has their own information. So, of course, everybody's gonna make themselves look better. So depending on what happens. Because of course we're calling this a few days before it drops on Tuesday. If something happens with Jeffrey comes out and drops, like his, his video explaining whatever Taty comes out, I think stretch videos, Monday Wednesday that she was she was saying how she's she's gonna she's taking little she's traveled somewhere and she's not doing it must be nice to travel somewhere. I mean they the money, these people have supposedly this slightly off topic, supposedly, she made like close to twenty million like during this whole thing offer brand. Wait, the halo beauty. Yeah. Supposedly is rumored lucky. I wanted to get some. Why people did. And I would need to check them doctor and two I you know it take so many supplements. Alrighty. But and I had I had wanted to actually try hers last year when I came out, but I was like at that point, I was. Yeah. Still doing all my health stuff, but. I've actually seen like my friend of mine who I used to work at Ulta with. She has been taking them for a while. And she showed, like even a week's difference of her face, which was like flared up with acne and redness and stuff. And then like even a week later, it was so much clearer and so much pressure, and even Shane Dawson he did a sore and after, like I like how his before and after was authentic. Okay was the same angles the same lighting with flash without flash. Like he actually had real before. And after two he wasn't trying to be asset and like it, and whatever. So like it legitimately looks good. But yeah, all my twenty million dollars. Yeah, you could literally go on the an extended vacation for a however you feel like like she can, you know, go on her month or to retreat to get her mental wellness in check, but meanwhile have to push through, and work. But yeah, no, so I still I still stand with her. I still still mostly believe her. I get I get everybody has their places in everybody has a right to kind of feel upset in this situation. And you know it has gone too far. And people just need to again like, learn how to talk to each other behind closed doors. You know, it's kind of funny because you'll see. Youtubers a lot of times, they'll be like, oh, we're taking over. We're like we should be recognized celebrities to blah, blah, all this stuff. But you know it's funny as you look at actual celebrities. And sure they have some debacles, and some little things nothing ever blows up like this because actual celebrities have, like maybe better PR better management, better whatever, and they also are may be kept in check a little bit more. And so it's because thing about it. I mean, we're all normal, people sure even celebrities. But I think celebrities are at this status where it's kind of like do not mess this up. But the one I can think of that's probably out there is kayaking Drake because it's kind of similar, but it's like, but Drake, does like subliminally like right off? I feel like nothing's been like this in celebrity world. Tweet rants like Saban Drake. So I don't know so versus like you to restore. They have management, whatever, because there, you know, big YouTubers but at the same time. I feel like they're more human, I guess 'cause they're still. No, they're more like us versus celebrities than I think it's hard to explain like it's because they're still more think in control of their image in what they do versus a celebrity. Like I said, is kind of told how to behave in what to do? People like to feed their families. The people that worked for them and their families. Like the it's like it's a lot more that goes into it like focus on, like everything you're doing. So it's like, yeah, let's have a conversation in behind closed doors, so we can get this, that they're not like ruin my image ruined years, whatever. 'cause it's not that big of a deal to get money out onto a more serious topic, which we have an update next week. I don't know how this. But yeah, onto the more serious topic, which is like whole abortion ban. He's, he's just going into it. He just said, wow. Alabi. I would just wait. Right. So currently I'm looking at it. We're talking about a real light topic here guys. That was sarcasm. To Alabama does not want to be an easy thing to handle clearly, so. I really. I'm from I don't have much to say to this, because really just you. Yeah. Obviously. So I'm going to go through some looking at times like interactive like math, and they go into like a lot of details about this. And like the states that are like passing bills or pending bills all the stuff you're not to break this down for me because I don't really understand it too much. Also, what am I breaking down? Okay. So if you don't know, Alabama, for example, pass their Bill, where just outright just bans abortion, like literally abortions are not happening in Alabama, unless the mother is going to die. Which, of course, that is not. Right. Wait. So they do approve. Okay, let's get all the details, so you're saying, they do approve, if it's say, like an topic pregnancy or like a dangerous pregnancy. Then they will do it. They will abort the baby. That's important. I feel like that's important to, to put because I think I saw some places that apparently don't even want to do that. We'll get. Okay. All right. I'm trying to just details. Right. So this is this is chart that New York Times has, I'm showing you here, so Alabama the it's all the way at the, the first week like it gives you week since less. Yeah. So there's all the way they're like it. It's not happening unless you're gonna unless you're going to die from even finish cleaning up. It's already too late. And this one, I don't agree with. I don't wait question. Does this include plan b? Do they see plan B as an abortion pill? I mean, I don't know they probably don't sell because, you know, how like some people say that like you can take plan B within like three days or something like that, to try and prevent an unwanted pregnancy say you'd like skipped your birth control or Sorge assaulted or whatever. And I feel like if they're all the way to the very beginning. I wonder if then that includes something. You gotta have someone emails reach out that lives in Alabama, if we have anyone in. If I would I would imagine, they probably don't have that, like point is no abortions, nothing to stop it. Using a kind of important. Let's using a condom stop it or birth control guests if they do that in Alabama. I don't know. I would assume they sold out so period like nothing's happening. Alabama. Now Missouri passed Bill Friday to be on abortions after of a fetal heartbeat detected isn't that like within a couple of weeks. Yup. That's what this is breaking down here. So it looks like about six weeks is when, like pretty much heartbeat is. So my issue with all this is like for mainly Alabama. We'll start there. So if my daughter, I'm gonna put in the sense of my daughter here, if we have a kid, and we live in Alabama and God forbid, they get raped or whatever could happen. To have that kid like what? And I saw someone's I was on Twitter and some girl was like, heavy on this, because it happened to her, which she was raped like she was able to have the baby boarded, and like she lets that's why she pushed for being like having the right for abortion. And I'm like that is that is so sad. That's not even like a option, or like incest, where it's like you have no choice and sadly, it's disgusting failure. Member did this to you like y'all. The fact that those things are things are acceptable. Options in Alabama's is would ashore made. So if you don't know the choice made by what, like, I think twenty twenty thirty white guys, white men and then signed off by the governor of Alabama, which was an older white woman. I'm like, what, what doesn't really surprise me with these down south states like no offence people there. It doesn't surprise as if you're listening to us from Dell. I don't do screw you. But I don't. That's why I don't go down south because I thought this so backwards granted up here went up. We're not net. Great. What I'm saying. What I'm saying stereotyping and grouping people together like I said, what state was it? There's some state down south few years ago. Like I was telling you, that was trying to push for segregation, like I said, I don't might like I'm going to L. Bama, Kentucky, Missouri. Like all those places that I don't feel welcomed outside of George Atlanta. Georgia not going anywhere. Right. I don't feel safe if I'm if we have to take vote trip and we're going to Florida we stayed in the car the whole time. That's happening. Like, like, I don't feel safe in these places there, so backwards. Nothing gets the people that aren't the people that have, like this one track mind. It's not going. It's not going another way to have these, like one track mind where it's like. You have a baby, we can't, you know, drink from say, waterfowl, and if you're black or another minority, or was it really going to go back to that? I mean we don't know. But that's what they were trying to pass. Like. I saw tweet recently is a good one. It said history, doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes. But it what? But it rhymes. Like a rhyme like red and dead like so it's similar. But like it doesn't necessarily it's not the exact same, but it was it was a good one. And also, that's what it is. If. Oh man. I think the people that pushes Republicans. Yeah. Probably because that's the whole thing is. So Republicans have always been known for being more conservative. I don't think I have is our phone and three more religious and all that stuff. Although I thought the government and religion where it's supposed to mix but okay shoot. Yeah, I had a picture on my phone and it broke it down. Where it's like you don't us to have abortions than okay? You should give us more. Turney leave. Like, I think something about, like more Planned Parenthood or something like that. Like, like there's so many things that, like, okay, give us all this stuff. If this is what option is going to, like, put which force us into. Okay. So there's some serious ones screen shots. And then, like a little funnier that I have one is, it's a doctor any tweeted s-o-f-i performance abortion for a woman who was raped in Alabama. I would go to jail from many more years than the rapist himself. Cool, cool cool makes sense. Not insane at all. So stupid. Someone said y'all don't want us to have birth control or abortions. But God forbid, we whip a titty out to feed the baby. You wanted us to push out? It was the no no's but that's, that's a, that's a classic point like. Choice secrets. Okay. But if from feeding my baby in public life, but I can't hear and give life to my kid you wanted me to this one men should probably realize that if you knock up woman who doesn't want it, and she's already going to jail for the rest of her life for an abortion is absolutely zero incentive left, not to murder your ass. I that's basically a Bogo sale, and we live for that shit. I'm like, oh, okay. This one I thought was good being pro choice. Literally means choice, many pro choice, women will never get an abortion and couldn't even imagine it, and personally disagree. But we respect that sometimes it's the right choice in it is up for us up to us to control someone else's body, so this where I'm going to take over. Because I thought that was an inter-. I thought that was a good tweet. So I was always raised to be pro-life. My mom was big on it, and, yeah, we just kind of became the same and Mr.. You know, and looking back it's interesting because. As all this stuff develops. She had the kind of information that people have as like the baseline like defenses as to why to be pro-life like general stuff that makes general sense like it's a life, and it's, it's a baby. Why it's murder. Why would you do that all this stuff? And so, like it made sense. Right. But you know as I've grown, I here's the thing as things have happened in I've grown, I honestly, don't know what to label myself if that makes sense because I don't like I feel like I don't fit into a label right now because I feel like I'm in this weird like shift. So I'm still pro-life in the sense that I. This is tricky for me. I, I don't condone like a necessary abortions or people who use it as birth control or. People who just straight up, don't give a damn about life period, like at all people like, what I so I guess that makes sense, but then I get it because. Yeah, if you're raped or incest, or it's risk pregnancy, you're going to die and like all I get that stuff. And I feel like so that tweet resonated with me because I feel like maybe that's where I am is a choice of, I'm one of those women who doesn't really agree with it as much and I myself would never want to get one and hope that never be in a predicament, where I have to or feel swayed. But I also understand that like these are we're talking about women's rights were talking about. You know, dangerous things like stuff that's getting taken away from us and putting our lives in danger because everyone's talking about held that's great. You bans abortion, you ban safe abortion, because these things are never going to stop happening. It's the same thing. Look at we'd for example, we it's never going away. You still haven't legalized it, but it still very prominent. So it's not gonna go away, even if it's going to continue to be legal. It's the same thing. So now we're just gonna have unsafe abortions that end up killing the person to because it's going to be in the back alley, or whatever, you know. And so I don't think that's right. So I do think it is kind of a part of healthcare, where. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's a procedure in its this is a very delicate topic for me. I don't like I don't I don't know because I, I don't completely agree with it. I don't like I just I feel like uneasy talking about abortions and. Being like super open. But at the same time I get that if it's like medically necessary or something, you know, like it's, it's a tricky one for man. I feel like I'm one of those people that women, like come for even though I'm like somewhere in the middle. I'm not totally like being like your tail row person, blah, blah. But, like I it's, it's delicate for me. I almost feel nervous about it. Who's I don't get? Ecorse guy here. But I never understood where you have to be. On one side of the other because it's literally it's, it's great. It's not a black or white thing, because it's, it's really depending on whatever situation, you are in right? But I think that's why again that tweet was kind of perfect. It's, it's kind of, in a sense than if you're not one way or the other, you still kind of are pro choice, then is what they're trying to say is you're giving a choice. You may not agree with it. And you may never do it yourself. But you're giving choice. So I almost feel like maybe that's the way I'm leaning. But I also am hesitant to label myself that if that makes sense like because again, all I've ever known was being labeled as pro-life. So I feel weird. I you know, it's a very, it's a touchy subject for me, and there's, there's a lot of layers that go back to why. And there's a lot of things that I can't talk about. But. Yeah. So, like, I, I don't know. And but I am you know, at the same time, I am you know, very pro woman feminist. I'm very for women's rights. So, like, that's the part that really burns me up. Is that? Yeah. Why is the government incomplete control of this? Now. Why are we being stripped of stuff we've worked so hard for because just like you said, oh, it looks like the south is going towards segregation again. We'll what did we work so hard for from the fifties as women to get, you know, because there was a time when we couldn't have birth control. Is that going to be the next thing like that's what's scary here? And you know, go back to like I was saying about like plan b for example, if someone like me, okay, if I was like fully pro-life, then I would be against plan b but I never was against plan b because fully pro-lifers of people who are like from conception. From the moment, you're done like it's a life plan. B is a problem because you're basically, you know, you're making the uterus harsh place and your the one that's controlling that it's not going to survive versus God. That's the whole idea. But for me, I always thought plan B was a viable option if I ever needed it. Like, for example, if you do end up getting raped in your strong enough to go to the hospital or something afterwards because I know that's a whole, that's an awful thing to have to go through. But like they can give it to you there, so that you're, you're good. And you don't have to worry about the possibility. But then a lot of women. They, you know it is a tough situation where they're scared to go to a hospital or police station or whatever right after it happens because you feel dirty and you feel scared and whatever so, but. Yeah, I don't know. I. I've always, I've always thought to if it was a dangerous pregnancy. Then obviously I feel like that's never question, because you're literally going to die like, it's literally there are pregnancies, where you literally are going to die, if you do not stop it, and there's these people that again, extreme pro-lifers who are like, all right. Well, then that's God's will. And I'm like, okay, like that's, but that's that's scary like so what you're telling me, I have to die. That's it. Like I'm done like I don't know because again, you're pro-life, aren't you? My life is actually endanger. I'm a life, you know. And that's the thing is people are always against pro-lifers, because they're like you, you care about the pregnancy not about what happens to the kid once they're actually here in a live because then it's like, oh, screw it. If they're in the system. Issue, and that kind of thing and I get that, too. Because for example, if you're salted, and you don't want the baby and you wanna put it up for adoption. They care more that the babies alive in the world, rather than in a terrible system overpopulated system where they're not going to get the right care points to go and do something harmful to somewhere else, because they don't feel loved. They don't feel. Cycle because this kid may actually end up having a horrific life. And so I'm very I you know, I'm very much in the middle. Now, I, I don't know. I go back and forth. And I can see stuff on both sides, and I can also see how yes, people who are Protais doesn't mean that they are against life. You know, I can see how there are pro choice people who have always been proud to declare themselves that who. You know there. No, they still want like, you know, a lot of people have good pregnancies, and whatever, but. I think that's what it boils down to is the rights and just how. It's, it's scary. It's scary to not have, you know, like there's people that are super against Planned Parenthood. And I used to be that was me. I used to be like super against Planned Parenthood. And like, yeah, we should shut them all down. They're not good because they're abortion factories. That's what I was made to believe. But what people didn't tell me while. Other people ended up telling me. You know how they're so much more than that abortions are small percentage of what fan parenthood does. And, you know, they're, you know, they can they're for free education and condoms and, and, and checks checkups and all that stuff, like amazing stuff. And so I'm like. Right. I'm like, so, so then I had changed my mind about that. So I'm very much a person that's open to growth and learning. And and you know, I'm not one of those. That's like okay, I labeled this, I'd labeled myself this ten fifteen twenty years ago. So that means that's me for the rest of my life. I'm you know, I'm very much a person that I think it's okay to change your opinions in your mind and, and stuff like that. I'm also the kind of person that I don't think we should really judge who believes in what though either because I feel like that's what that's, that's what I faced a lot of was people would come at me for being too pro-life, and it's one of those delicate fine lines that it's like I again, it's kind of like politics, if I'm a democrat and you're a Republican like we could still get along. We don't have to argue about this. We don't have to manipulate the other to believe our beliefs like we can just be people. I had a choice, I it would only be pro-life because it's like also choice. All triple choice. Catcher. I never understood this who are so like heavy on pushing people to like it's like, Bs aren't thing like when it comes to being gay, or lesbian. Let's like oh no, you can't be that. You can't do this. It's like I right? What in what way does it affect my life? Whether you have a kid does not have a kid, whether you choose to be gay or not you all this, like, again like I'm saying, though, like. When I was much more on that pro-life side though. I feel like people need to be kind because again, I'm one of those people that can be open to other opinions and stuff. Give me time come to my own version inside here. How I don't I don't know how open you are. True. So I mean, I'm sitting here trying to give you some talking about like say, like you talk to an acquaintance of friend whoever like, and you're just trying to talk like you're, you're, you're friendly or whatever. And I'm not really talking about strangers as much because, you know how like okay families special family friends, whoever if they're real real close. Those are usually the people who can try in like it's actually influence you more. It's tough though, because like I'm not even a not even a girl. And if my sister was was Tommy, that she's pro-life, and, like, no growth should have to have the kid. I'm gonna look at that certain way because I'm going to be like, yo who are you at tell mother woman that she she's forced to have another kid like what you no matter what she's going through? She has to have that kid. Like no, I don't feel you're right. Felt people are passionate about the pro choice side, because that's not right. And it's because someone I used to know through someone. She had had an abortion before I knew her, and I, I was never super close with her. But you know we were friendly and whatever and. This was back. I don't know seven eight years ago. And like I found that out and it was one of those where. The person more involved with me. Didn't know how I react. But I've always been that type of person who like, I'm not going to be addicted to, you know, like even back then when I was still more towards the pro-life choice. I like I you know what am I going to do one? It's done and to its dot like you're not me. I always I always had that intelligence to know like this. You're not my life. Like I can say that. I more so agree with prolife or whatever. But you're not me. And so I'm also not going to, like, shame, you or like do these things I extremely pro-lifers do get in your face and be like you're an awful person for what you did like the people who stand out Planned Parenthood and like have banners scream at you for walking out, you know, like that, I always thought was just messed up. You know, it's, it's like people who are. Religious and they take it to another level. And it's messed up like you know, it's not what it's about. So I didn't you know, I was just like all right. That's, that's fine. Like she told me and I was like, okay like I didn't really talk about it. 'cause it's it was uncomfortable. I didn't want it. For even that person. It's not like that's also thing it's not like that person. There's a reason they had to give up that baby like other than you probably the few that do it because it's like they're like their birth control method, which is not right. But normally someone's doing that this reason to it. They thought about this. It hurts them just probably as much as her you most likely more. And it's just like it's touching. Yeah. So, basically, like, that's, that's where I stand. I'm somewhere in dancing in the middle and I can understand both sides. I just think kindness is warranted on both sides understanding remembering we're all people. And yeah, it just that women rights are very important rights for people are important in general, and we shouldn't be going backwards. You know, we shouldn't be putting more people in danger, and so that's, that's where I stand with my uterus and my, my opinion. Because as ever on says, you can't have an opinion, sir. No uterus. No opinion. I the next thing I want to touch on, which we do briefly. Whatever you want is, I guess you say like the next part of this. So if you're not familiar colleges look into push and adversity score to a great students like their background. They're doing this fifty colleges now. They want us to one hundred fifty colleges, I believe by the end of this year. I like to say. Essentially, what this whole adversity score. Does it from a scale to one to one hundred this, how they're gonna read their kids and like it's like different way of grading them outside of AT? So, like they do this in high school. This is them till outage, right? Part of their application. Probably probably like a questionnaire to fill out or something. That's what's there, essentially, this is looking at their neighborhood. So, like where they live at their family feeling as like do have one parent, who have both parents like that environment. Is is this is this, a part of how they get into the school, or is this, a part of how they who they get roomed with those apart at school, 'cause this is supposedly this may take get rid of this. I at some point. Are you kidding me? I something I could be wrong. But that's what it sounds like from from what I was saying. They're going to be looking at the school. The person came from the crime rate in the Irie in that area of the poverty rate, the media, median income. I raised the rates by single parent thing there and is English a second link, which says it's like another form of gentrification. What do you mean by that? Like where they're basically gonna pull people of different status. Like, oh, you were richer, and you went to a nicer school, so you get to come to this one or you were in a high crime neighborhood, and you're this, you you're going to go. I think that because that would be really messed up. No, that's what it sounds like. No. When I would do taking your I quoted in verse four. All right. That I'm not getting this sounds like it. Segregation, it can't go through. They can't look at you by your race. Okay. All this rain, it's kind of it's still kind of. Looking at it. No keep what you're thinking because I didn't think about this in that way. But in my ham, thinking you look in all these things. That's great for our would even say someone like me. But someone that. Sewing have someone that let's say black lives with his mom is not the greatest area in, you know, went and didn't go to the school has, there's a high rate of crime in the area that he lives in like all the stuff they're looking at this stuff as like a positive as like this person like, along with their SAT scores or whatever else looking at, like they're doing good in school. And this is like their background. So this is their person, and we should probably get as person shot because, hey, look, you're saying the place that with someone who's like opposite of that living situation. I mean, I don't know what you're talking about some placement thing, I'm talking about just getting accepted into the school. That's what I mean. Like into the school the way you took it. I didn't think about this. Where could be looked at as okay. This person came from this rich neighborhood, you know, has all like has mom dad has this many sisters. Whatever brothers all that stuff. They, you know, he had this person has older providence. This is that went through college. Family that went to college. No high crime rate. So you took a different which I wasn't thinking, because I looked at this fess in you, you being on the lower income scale, and this being a great thing for you. But I see how it can be used for red. Right. I feel like it's a God. Another grey areas, another fine line. It's like it could be used really well or could be used to like, segregate, essentially, and be like all, like the poor people can be over here. And all the rich people could be at the school in like that kind of thing and continue the pattern of limiting this person's abilities or progression forward simply because, oh, they don't have enough money or they had a high crime rate, or all the all this stuff, which I don't think is right? I think everyone should be given an equal chance. I think this is asking stuff like that I think is dangerous because it's kind of similar to like on an interview, I'm pretty sure from certain things they can't ask you, why you were fired from. They can't ask you how I think technically how much you made which is really interesting because a lot of applications go against this stuff. But I think like technically, there's certain things that they shouldn't be asking you. And it's one of those things you're on job interview and say like they ask you something personal you're gonna feel stressed and like you should answer it, because you want to get the job, but they shouldn't be doing that. And they could technically be trying to like weed out, like wealth. They say this, so, like, I feel like it's a dangerous area to get in to get that personal about finances, and where I live, and like. I'm like. Because in the end they could probably find all that stuff out, anyway. But of course, but I think that shouldn't that shouldn't be part of your application like this is part of my, you know, this is part of why I would get in or not. No, that's based on how good are you in school? And you know, will you fit this major, and are you going to be a good fit at the school with these majors and set, like, that's it like it should just be based on can this school help you become the best? You that's it like and so of that's someone who you know, had a harder life great. You know that shouldn't be like, oh, well, like maybe they're not good enough for the school kind of thing. You know, I don't know. So I worry that, that's a fine line. Because of you all the news outlets. I've read this from it's painted as a good thing. Of course, it is shadow. I'm like, that's it is. Think about that. That's the media, they're gonna paint it. They want you to see. We'll see how is plays out roles into other schools, because supposedly with them trying in fifty schools, currently it's worked out. So that's one of the bringing some more, we'll see. I mean it could work out. But I just I don't know. I worry with stuff like that because. That's pretty helpful where it's like, you know, just basing me on, like, for example, I suck at school. But if you talk to me in person, we can have a real conversation like you'd be like, oh, this gets pretty, like you knows what he's talking when there's. I mean, that's when there's like an interview process and stuff. They do that already with like colleges. I wouldn't know so. Oh, I don't know that was interesting. I'm curious to see how this plays out, because I want to know if that does work like specifically for the lower income people, and I feel they're there. I think their idea is to push for lower income people to give them a chance, maybe especially in light of the stuff that's happened. You know, in the media with pay, like a lime rich, which means that I should have an advantage versus. Right. It could we could see at the other way that, you know, you're not better than anybody because you have money that it should be based on, you know, academics and whatever. So I don't know. It could go either way. I don't know. So as always, we're going to get into this was chip advice here. This one's a little juicy like I feel like we've gone through this in the past, maybe maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. You by telling me wrong, I feel like I'm a slightly bit wrong here. So it goes off by this guy saying, my girlfriend is picking a fight over what I sent her for birthday. So to give you some idea age. He is twenty two she is twenty one he goes to say so I sent my long distance girlfriend over two years. A birthday present the other day her birthday is on Monday. And I say Senator on Thursday, she got it yesterday and opened it and didn't seem to happy about it. I sent her a card with a pretty expensive present. And he puts in parentheses, it was a Pandora bracelet bracelet, charm. He says she said she was happy about the bracelet, but not about my card. I picked how what? What was a nice card in wrote happy birthday beautiful? I love you so much. And I hope you have a great day after she she got the card. She told me she wasn't. She, she told me it wasn't affectionate. What in sentimental enough? She always tells me she doesn't like sentimental presence. Remind way. I'm confused. She said it wasn't sentimental enough. But then she doesn't, like, I guess, I guess, so I guess, okay that's using it all. He goes on to say, I reminded her. And she said, well, I don't like someone gifts if I'm with you. But you were. Wait wait, if I'm with you. But when we are not together, I like them. What's together for a year? Okay. So when they're literally physically not together, then it means more to her. What's because they're not together. And so she likes to get all sentimental and stuff. Maybe I don't know wait. No, no. When they are together I thought you said one, they're not. She says, I reminded her, and she said, well, I don't like sentimental gifts if I'm with. Yes. Exactly. So when they're a part she likes them more. Because he's not there. And she's trying to be more like lovey-dovey and stuff Oko. He goes on to say anyways, we kind of dropped it after that weird today. She got into an she brought it up again. Of course, they always bring it up again. You need to shut your mouth, sir. She told me her second grade crush wrote her a better letter seriously than I did a second. Why is there and that she's going to throw it out? Oh my God. She told me she's like what? She still she told me she's going to return my president and semi the money told her it's ridiculous. And she's acting like this over what I sent her because she didn't send me anything at all for my birthday. He puts in parentheses it was pretty complicated back, then I didn't expect president. But I thought she would send me a card, at least anyways, I feel like she's acting very ridiculous about this. She hung up on me. And we didn't talk for the rest of the night, if she added meticulous, or should I have done more? Okay. I have things to say about it. Dare say that this is this is childish. And I honestly, don't think they should be together. It sounds like because then what was complicated? And she didn't send you one, and then she wants to return it and she wants to do that. I've seen stuff like this, and it just ends up, not being great. Like I just feel like this sounds petty and ridiculous. And it literally sounds like they're just not great for you would be like you gifts out of certain, whether I'm with you or not with you. I'm like, what? What the whole I mean. Okay. To a degree. I guess I get that because hold on, because it's the whole absence makes the heart grow fonder thing, and you're, you wanna be with the person that you can't be right now. Hold on. So you want something like. I don't know to remind you of loving, and all is like I get that, I guess, if you're part from them, it's a little more. But at the same time, I'm on those people, I love cinema stuff all the time. Like you literally give me something on Thursday that sentimental, and it's not a holiday, and I'll love it. Like I don't change it up. Like, so I feel like that's weird that it changes up. And then. Yeah. As far as that. I don't know what the cards said. I mean yeah, there's ten tech. Yes, he said, there's technically cards that say, yes, they're more like lovey, and there's more funny, and there's more like I get that. But. There's something here happening. What else I because. Okay, sir, first of all, so you saying, oh, I feel like we've been through this before I think what you're referencing is a couple years ago. My birthday when you give me the gifts a few days prior because we went to the wedding. Is that what you're saying because in my mind, that's what pops up? Our time in the past where I give you a gift and you get. Yeah, the time we it was. Yeah. I feel like it was that one. Because I was in it was a whole, right? We were in a mess at that point. Let's be honest, like we were just not in a good place. So everything kind of escalated it, we had to go to the wedding on my birthday already wasn't happy about that. And I'm one of those people like I wanna enjoy my birthday, I want people to like make it a thing. And like I wanna like have a fun day. And just for once have it be about me kind of thing. I'm I'm that person. And there's people that literally have birthday months. Okay. So I'm not that bad. If I just want my day. So, yeah, it was a few days prior we had to travel, so he had brought me home stuff. I don't think it was the fact that the stuff was bad that year I think it was. So it was the whole vibe, it was everything, you know, and it ended up being and this is something we had one over in therapy. If we wanna get real personal. This was stop. There was something how. God, you you're making me lose my train of thought. Oh, because he woke up the day of my birthday, which was also the day of the wedding and to me at that time. He didn't say happy birthday fast enough. It sounds really ridiculous admitting it. But this was something that triggered me just based on one, how I grew up into. Again. Like I want it. I simply wanted to just still be more acknowledged that day, but he was distracted because he had to go and get ready for a wedding. So like looking back, it's like I get it. But. This was, so it was a thing that, like whole weekends kind of thing. So it wasn't necessarily that the gift was bad, because I remember you got me. That was when I had recently gone gluten dairy free, and you got me, awesome cups. And I it was fine me about it. But, but yeah. So, like there's an example of short we had deeper stuff going on. Like we were it was just a time when we were not in a good place. And so everything else was kind of escalating stuff and making stuff worse. And a lot of people go through that. A lot of people. Don't make it to the other side, because it takes a hell of a lot of work and it's still takes work, and it's one of those things for them again surface level sounds like they shouldn't be together. I can't flat out say because I'm sure there's tons of people who were rooting for us to not be together. But, you know, so it's, it's who who's, who's rooting. No, I'm saying like 'cause, you know, if we told people stuff, and we, you know, like if we tell our friends things like there's actually there's one friend, and I don't want to say who it is. She's like a middle friend where it's like you're not like acquaintances, but you're also not like best best friends and. And. I feel awkward around her, sometimes now that we're engaged because I like we had talked about stuff, and she basically was kind of on the team of, maybe this isn't the best for you. Maybe you should move on kinda end. Now engaged I feel awkward like it's kind of like. Do you still remember that, like, are you like against this like it's weird? But, you know, so, I feel like because again you tell when you're talking to friends or family about what's going on your relationship, you tell them very specific portion. You're not like telling the whole progression. You're not telling the whole back story or like you're also bias, you're telling what the other person. You know what you need to stop right now. But. Yeah. So I feel like. Maybe it's that, like I can't Furby like they're a terrible couple, but it also sounds childish petty. Like what's going on here? I've seen the whole let's be specific. I've seen the whole. You know, presence being returned thrown out like that whole thing and that sticks with me, and I don't think that's a good way to handle things. I think that is very disrespectful and saddening and not a good time. So that part bugs me. But yeah, that's kind of my thoughts, but there's nothing deeper on here. It's not just the gift. It's not there's more. Really now we're talking about a second grade person coming in. I'm scared that she's gone up cheating, and it's going to it's or maybe she's giving a reason for him to, like, like trim to break it off. Maybe don't something or she's thinking about it. And she's like just she and I will also say I've been there, where if, if a relationship gets bad enough, and even if you're not like a cheater type it's you start like looking at other people and you start like wondering, like, is it better? If I leave this relationship or is it, you know, like you start like going to that place. So I feel like she has just gone. But on great though, right? Who you talking? I'm not talking about our relationships. But yeah. Like I've been there where you kinda just you get to a point where you're over it. And you like are you're like, okay, maybe someone else's better type thing. So I feel like maybe she's gotten to that point. And she's just trying to find a way out. I don't know being long distances tricky. I feel I wonder why it got that way. Like I wonder if it's school or a job or something because they were together for a year. They're still young. Especially being around twenty one twenty two is maybe make the assumption that is probably school. I would drop it like a hot potato like Hugo your your way. I'll go mine. Give me that money back from the Pandora bracelet though, because that cost one hundred probably, I mean, after the charm. Yeah. Because I think the bracelet itself like a basic basic silver bracelet. I think now is like sixty five it depends on what trying on a couple dates with some new girls with that given my money back. Couple of girls. Look at him. He's ready. Actually probably not probably went out on one date hundred clad go to eat. While it was hurting shoe, if I was tipping extra. And I was like, why are you doing that? Remember that you were like. No. She'll just take it. It's fine. Whatever. And I was like what he ended up doing like a fifty percent tip or something like it was, like forty dollar meal, and he ended up being like here's an extra twenty and I was like. Exeter, because I just didn't care you didn't care like I even I was like I was like realized that, like, I it was the day and I'm over here like you realize what you're giving. It's okay, and I was like, okay man, that's been my, I tip at how our money thing would go. You know the doors like right over here. You hit the door like don't. He's like shut the door hit you on the way out. At big spender. We're here. Big Ballin, working on my chest said, big spender. Baller? I hate you. Just wait, wait. When I got my tesla, you ain't going in. You're not taking a ride not taking a ride in the whip. At that for this out pretty much dropper go live your life. You twenty two you could find someone else. That's not crazy. 'cause you like jumper like a hot potato, I would you sounds crazy. Yeah. Our like gifts that sentimental when I'm. I just wonder what's deeper there because there's gonna be something. It's never as surface levels. A gift, it was like for me. It was for me. It was not as surface level as you not saying happy birthday literally wasn't. You get this. I'm going to get. Listen. Oh, this is that some like poetry reading here, not just with the vibes and just start snap. You fingers. Yeah. I would just cut your ties and find someone else you're young. You could find someone that's not going to be crazy and your sentiments who gifts. Yeah, like me. I love sentimental. HEC sucker. Have you think about it? That's kind of easier to do. It is. Yeah, you just think about, like, what's the stuff that, like majors? Google. Okay. Or like you can personalize it a little, I do go, it was personalized gifts able to type in the person's name, and it gives you this frigging named thing and find the necklace when nNcholas the missing necklace, Instagram knows how to advertise to me. That's true. I have seen. They know how to advertise TIMMY, so good. Like they know me like, oh, you got a new iphone you want this case, right here on just like shoe. It's tempting. But it's a company I'm not familiar with. So I'm good. Yeah. We got a little over our limit that we normally do. You're welcome. Wrap this up enroll out as always. I'm totally for it. So to give you a heads up or not even a heads up. So let you guys know anchor rolled out the ability to be would've send voice messages through the app through the website version, all that stuff, send us voice messages of whatever shouting saying the podcast, whatever you want, as long as it's nice to crazy. Yeah. Questions topics warrants talk about we will literally take that voice miss. You send us and put in the next pockets sewed like that'd be so dope as another way to like interact with everyone. I'm up for doing so definitely. The voice message be on the next next. So we got would that being said guys as always wait Rubik before you jump into that tro? Wait us on humans would love that love and appreciate it rate us as long say five stars. Three too. So we'll catch you guys next episode once again, I'm shell coast. The patron the Simpsons joined by my lovely fiancee, Lauren, the bestest. And we shall see you guys Friday. Piece.

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Seacrest Has Officially Changed His Instagram Bio To...

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Seacrest Has Officially Changed His Instagram Bio To...

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Astrology Special (Featuring Amaris)

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Astrology Special (Featuring Amaris)

"I-it's malls reminder before the show to make sure that you are subscribed in apple podcasts. And if your new, welcome to, please advise nation are so only works for your participation, so call three two three four five zero seven four zero eight with your dilemmas and lifeless chins again, that's three two three four five zero seven four zero eight or Email ask, please advise, at gmaiLcom with your voice notes or emails. Thank you, and enjoying. Welcome to please, advise guys were doing a special one off episode all about astrology guys ask all the time about astrological questions. And I know what I know and it's not a lot. So I decided to bring on someone who does know allot who can speak about it. She's not, I don't know this isn't her job, but she's more fluid in this language than anyone I've ever met before you guys. Welcome, my friend Marissa. Hey, America's high guy urine knowing NADA professional, but I love that, you're the person that I would watch stuff with. And you'd be like, oh, like on this episode of Andrew pump rolls or whatever you'd be like. Oh, a Britney sign is this. And that's why this is happening. Jacks is the blood. Like you always knew everyone signs on every show. We watch and I was like that is so crazy, like the Kardashians view was a real experience. So it it like totally on forms, my viewing experience. Like I know all of the housewives fine, I'm like, oh, my God. Ramona's acting like legit Scorpio right now. Like. All in my head somehow, I don't know how I keep track of, and you were gracious enough to take a look at some of the questions that Christina sent over today with more general questions about you guys is like signs and stuff like that. I have a couple of letters, and we also have a very important call surrounding something that is just taken over the world in the last few months. I would say that I love that right now. You are serving as some Tricia pages realness, because you're eating Domino's with no Brooklyn style about everyone's astrological signs. It's written in today and image just for everyone the my bed. It's like is just papers everywhere, with, like, messy knows it's very Aquarius. Nearly guy elegance psychic medium, almost you know. I have lots of psychic energy, I've been told by psych clips, three different of told me that I totally would believe that about you, because you're so you're, like, one of the most pathetic people. I know it's like crazy your capacity to, like love and care about people, which is like crazy thing because we have a question about Aquarius, folks coming up that wasn't line up with my experience. And I'm sure yours as well. But I wanna talk about what I guess this call is about. We're gonna play it in a second. But this is surrounding the whole James Charles. Jeffrey star Taty Westbrook drama. I'll just start out and play the call. And then we'll take it from there. Okay. Hi, mom. So, well, first of all, I've just learned that listening to the show and like, why does everyone do the preamble at the beginning? And it is awkward to go right into question. So high most Christina and guests, I suppose so recently, there's all of the James Charles drama going on. And I just am meeting malls terrific on it a little bit because I feel like she will understand where I'm coming from, which is so I am always involved in the youtuber drama up with it lately. I've just it's been a lot after especially Jason about. I'm having a hard time with everyone. So kind of left the whole the're James and general, I've always found him to be like very motivated, and good at what he's doing, but you're at hating, but he has also you know, nineteen years old. So with this whole, exposing thing, which. I don't need to rehash if you guys want to do that. But he's getting exposed by thirty seven year old woman right? And for essentially, you know, doing sugar, fair hair sponsorship, and I just end which that in itself would like fine, and I feel like the her going on her little Instagram was like one thing, but to make video, and like knowing that it was going to ruin this kid's career and have like she knew that was going to do to him. And she often knew the success, it would bring her to talk him for I really expected when I thought trending, I was, like, what is the I thought we were going to get all of them? So all of the tea and really it was, like she's like he's said some dirty things at the dinner table around my family like he's nineteen. And like for you to even consider. That you have a friendship that you're ending with nineteen year old when you're thirty seven is just kind of like appalling to me, I already. And if she chose to do all that behind the scenes. It's one thing I just found to like take down this kid's career like I'm just experiencing this empathy. For him even though I find him like relatively annoying, and it was just happening a lot in the canceled culture thing there's people who I can't fans but it's hard to not this one in particular is just like this is an adult woman, and I really thought we were going to find out some crazy shit and the street boy thing. I I'm surprised at the street white women thing. This day kid talked about how much she wants trait boys all the time. I'm kinda surprised that the whole road was running that. And the way she's thing he said horrifying things like as in talking about the blurred around her. It was I I understand. It's, it's annoying and not. Okay. And like say that to him. Him. And then maybe stop hanging out with a nineteen year old like do you all those things. And it's not to say his behaviors. Okay, but I'm just to take him down and know what that would do to his career and just his his everything. Okay. So I think that we should give people sort of like a overarching idea of what's going on a up until this point, we're getting this call gazette Drago has into new to unfold. Currently it's may nineteen when recording this it's like one eighteen PM in so jammed in understand, we're giving world youth right now is has been up to the minute like this is not every time you refresh like Twitter or YouTube or whatever, there's a new video from someone and the story like completely Morse. So basically, this beauty influence, our James Charles, you may know him as the first cover boy he has really blown up over the last couple of years. And he was put on blast. So does. Feve or basically publicly like had ties broken with this woman, Taty was broke who's like one of the original like OG back in the day adults now, she's like an older woman. UD YouTubers and. Taty has a reputation for being very classy. She is very like, you know, measured. She's very graceful with sort of how she speaks that is like her reputation on what she's known for. And when James was just seventeen he had reached out to Taty, who was, like thirty five or something at the time. And, you know, they sort of struck up a friendship, she saw him as someone who's really late changing the space in shaking things up. And she really took him under her wing like she flew him out to do her makeup better wedding when he was a, like dropped from his cover boy contract, or whatever she was continued to work with him because he got dropped from all of that because of like his, I like cancelled moment, which was tweeting that he hopes he doesn't get a bowl or something when he was on his way have. And you know, then there's also this element. Of Jeffrey star who sort of like this overlord of the whole community on who has ever had an internet connection probably knows Jaffrey star is if you'd been on social media, at any point in your life, you probably know who Jeffrey star is he was like thinking of my space. He's outta music rear. He was always out, you know, hanging on d he had like that sort of, like he's at guy with makeup was icon, IQ from my space, also always known for being really scary? Like buying like his own thing, always be like I'm going to like cut your dick off, like berry like like on attack in, like he kind of like enjoys that, like vampire, which he sort of reputation. He has right. Yeah. You also is built like a huge business like on his way to be a billionaire level business with Jeffrey star cosmetics than his other investments, which apparently range every. Thing from, like a merged company that was selling James Charles's merch in his now not selling. Jane. Charles's merch to, you know, apparently, like it really in deep with the medical marijuana industry. So Taty runs this vitamin company called halo beauty. Okay. And James Charles, accepted a last minute sponsorship, at Coachella for a security guard from sugar bear hair, which is remember when competitor and let me phrase, this very simply to say that, like sugar bear, harass her number wearing competitor. But she is not sugar bear hairs. Number one competitor, like adult I in I understand, like I understand her aspect of the business to, I also, you know, so anyway, she puts out a Snapchat in at saying that, basically, it's kind of cryptic, but not so cryptic saying that, like you really can't rely on your friends. She was very hurt and it was. Right after James posted the Sugar Ray hair thing, then all these other scandals start popping up for James. He is like, you know, running a tour where he's selling five hundred dollar meet and greet passes, which is an absurd price by almost any gigantic artists standards. And he doesn't even really have like a trade you would take on tour, and then like a couple of this guy came out, this guy came out saying that James had pressured him into a relationship, so then that happened. So like everyone was like, whoa. This is like, really bad for James Charles. And then in the middle of all this touchy drops video sort of exposing him with I remain thinks she had like receipts that you showed on the screen, I think she just said her receipts were fat, and she made the afford Bennett, video, basically explaining that James, Charles really like hurt her as a friend, someone that she took under her wing when he was young. He. Came to her. And she does say I think we should emphasize this at her husband said you are like camonte like you're obviously not really best friends with a nineteen year old and she was late. She was like, no, like I know I'm not best friends with him. But like I'm mentoring him and I feel like kinship towards him. Like, I feel like you know, a spiritual drawn gem, you know. And I said that makes sense to me that actually does make sense to me like when you work until in any industry you work in, especially if it's a small one like, you know, people could argue that beauties, a huge industry, people could argue that YouTube, a huge industry, but in reality that sort of leg Ben diagram of where that falls. You know there's only about, you know, fifteen people that are in their club, you know. So they're like, in terms of long lasting in major brands, so I can definitely see, like that, that relationship like when you mentor, someone when they're. Working with you and they're young and you know, they're kind of fucking up here and there and you're going, you know, they're on, like I loved them like, you know, that was a disappointing behavior. That was a disappointing whatever the situation didn't exactly go the way that I would have hoped it would have for me or that person, but they're young when you do, like excuse making for someone eventually, like you do start to realize, oh, maybe this isn't maybe this is just a personality defect. Maybe this is in their youth. It's like actually who they are, and who they're turning into as a person broccoli. I think that, like, he got humbled immensely in there's this other thing over here where there's like Jeffrey star who when James came out with his video this week, which was really insane. I don't even know from explain this, right? Like once taught you posted her video James, Charles lost over three million followers in if anyone does it know what that means. That's masses. That is like beyond three million followers is the greatest loss that, that has ever been seen in YouTube history. In one day, it it's insane. So, yeah, record breaking and Taty gained four million followers. So people were coming out of the woodwork, and, like, let's also remind you this still means that James has thirteen million followers at now means the Taty has gained over ten million, which is an entire us YouTube like milestone, you get your diamond play button for that. It's like another level of, like royalty within the platform and Jeffrey star when he was like completely outed, in James's video that he came forward with where he's like, I'm not predatory toward straight boys. The way that I'm being accused of, by Tocci because that was a huge point of hers. She's like you've got to figure out what's going on with, like your head in where you're out with fame and your priority is because you're gonna get yourself in. Trouble. If you have people that are coming out against using I felt uncomfortable with the way he treated me like that's an overall bigger picture thing, that you need to look at right. So I do agree with, like the overall idea of light. If. Of like someone with a young man like attracted to only lesbian women, because he enjoyed the challenge of that, that is, that's a troubling comparison. I think a lot of people are like that's out of control. I don't I don't think that she like totally made him this judgment about that. Although I will say that people are very quickly twisting, it into a lot of homophobic stuff. Right. So then are really road on the James Charles is predator thing, which was a huge mistake 'cause, you know, he at first started to come across, like, yeah, you know, we're putting James in his place. I stand my girl tatty she is like an OG in the beauty community in. It's important note, acknowledged back the James, the Jeffrey star in tatty are both in their thirties in James is only, you know, nineteen about to be twenty so I do see like a benefit for some of the older people to be like, no work. Your to stay like. We're not going to be boxed out by a kid, who's acting Brad. Eighty right. It's so FOX, but. Nope. And darkly I could see that being Narendra journal conversation. Right. And when James defended himself you showed all of these texts that Jaffrey suntan that were really harshly worded and meant to strike a lot of fear in someone Verschoor. They wish Gary it, Dan deputy, star, like careful. Yeah, I would not want to have him as so all of that said, if you guys did not follow that at all, which, I would not blame you go check that out. But we're going to get into that. Now in America's is going to sort of break down the charts of these people, and how she thinks they got into this mess et cetera. You wanna like, like who do you think is the best person to start with? Maybe taught you hockey. She she kind of started this bit. I didn't see the only thing I haven't seen is her original maps, or whatever. But I've seen everything. Oh, yeah. She'll snaps are very like they're very like, nothing at this point. And if you watched your video, you probably saw clips suited her in her makeup room in chooses, talking directly on Instagram like stories or whatever saying, like. Hey guys, like I'm really disappointed in a. I just wanted to check in remind you guys that at the core of everything. Like you are my brands like it was very like it was it felt very lonely. I did not feel manipulative. It's felt like. Like if I could just if I d like impaired to my own behavior, like what a place where I would be would be like very raw emotional in reactive, but she's potties. So like it comes across that much more forlorn, and like I guess, like she's. Composed. So yeah comes across much more composed from her because she's just stepford esque him posed. It's crazy. So looking at her chart and says, well, I'll start by saying, I'm an Aquarius. So I'm a little, she's an Aquarius as well. So I'm looking at this through that one, I'll admit but. She's an Aquarius with Scorpio moon, which is kind of wild, those who'd not mix. So she is very prideful has a lot of selfish fast and someone who tends to be a leader for spirited, but very stubborn and the Scorpio moon is, like, really what could be her downfall. It's. It has its positive. I mean. The good thing about Scorpio Mon is there's lots of compassion there. And when you have that Aquarius son, balances out, and you can use the Scorpio moon, not compassion to like, serve society. I notice as well that she has. She has. Conduct Jupiter, which means she's very happy fought. Bueller generous looks at the bright side of life. Very good, nurse nature charming. And also this brings out a maternal side. So this whole maternal thing that she has seems totally makes sense, and she's a German, is, she's an Aquarius. There's a natural senity between those two signs. They're both air signs. I'm I'm not surprised that there's this. I mean the way you described it. They have like. Like, yes, she's older, and it's not her best friend. But there is this like sincere relationships there. That is really genuine. I agree. There's like something to them, where I'm legs such a weird out of the way that I like, sometimes look at people. But like you playing together as babies, you know what I mean? Yeah. Definitely. I mean, like we have a bit of an age difference, and there's just like we like naturally just vary. Like click with each other very easily. Absolutely. I mean, we'll like in also the other main thing that I think the like between us it's different is that we're not. We don't also share a feel like a profession together, you know. Yeah, we're not competitors in our field. And I think that in a way, people are overestimating the importance of that in underestimating the importance of that, like, I think that she could just genuinely be hurt by. Him as a friend in the business part of it doesn't help because their self respects thing that you side is so real. Yeah. And I mean, with self respect comes like this. Self-righteous our that you can like it's, she's should very careful about her pride. And so is he he has. He has his Pluto and Sagittarius. And that's a placement that can tend to actually, but they also hate being humiliated. They kind of share that in common. They're both very prideful people, you know, he has a moon Burgo. She has moon in Scorpio Moonen Virgo for me. They're like super hard to figure out. My dad has moon in Virgo, and I never know what he's really thinking. They're good at communicating with. They also hold back a lot. 'cause and he's a is like he's got this sneaky, constant vibe going, and it's like hard to read with him, like I watched the video, and I was just I'm also someone who like I just like believe anything when I watch video it was like, oh my God. This is horrible. I totally have. Right. I'm a little too, like I, I can fall for anyone's like hitch that they give themselves. You know like if they're like this did such a great pitch. You gave us a helluva pitch. But so did talk to you. She did. But like I found him much more compelling. Like there was something about her that I can't figure out. That is like maybe it's sad stuff for wives thing, like she's so composed that it's like. I don't know creepy. It seems a motionless. Yeah. And I mean, they're also coming out from such different points of life to that. It's I don't know. I thought it was very interesting when she called his mom because right? Like he had he was underage when he moved to LA he was a minor and, you know, he even calls Tachi mom like he calls her her, and her husband, mom, and dad, whoa. You know, basically she made this point that I thought, like, you know, I don't I couldn't see myself saying this to another woman, but I could see someone saying this to my mom when I was younger, which is affected Li like come collector boys, like Bob to you know, like, I'm going to respectfully hand back this favor. You asked me to look after your boys. Back and say that you should be here with them. And there's something to that. I think the James still does need to be mothered. I think he end his younger brother, who was living out in LA with him, who's only seventeen like their day, our kids that have been given a net worth allegedly of over eleven million dollars. And in a very short amount of time two years ago, James couldn't pay for plane ticket. So now, you know, it's interesting to think about how, especially with the sneaky with the Gemini with Virgo you know, money will change anyone. I don't care about that expression that says, like money, just amplifies your personality like to extent. But also money is the root of all evil like it really is an insane test of a person's hair Dir, but also like their limits. When you give a person who is that young in amounts of money that could leave him set for the rest of his life. And if invested. Directly leave his grandkids set for the rest of their lives like other Colonel money. And I just don't I don't. I don't see with his personality that it would have meshed well, and I could see power getting to his head very, very quickly. And I did think that there was like some basis. And in a lot of reality in his mom, who I guess, is being public on Instagram in, like leggings sort of tweets, put liking comments that were kind of putting Chachi down. I could I could be seeing that like frustrated as an older woman like I'm watching your kid. I'm you know, I'm watching you hit on me on Instagram like come collect your boys like come. Definitely his is healed. He's supposed to be like, I know he is very mature. And I can see that they're both very about presentation like, you know, out of all of the beauty YouTubers that are out there, I would say, like, of course, the, you know, Nikki Dettori -als, the James Charles of the world like they have a more elaborates add up, and it's very professional, but James anti in particular present themselves so cleanly, they are so visually clean. They are so filtered with, like, different blurring filters, they both use. They have berry, you know, sort of specific ways of speaking, Taty was, like quite famously, I think, in this video, I think this was like a big Meam was the fact that she said, dick in Kach, when she was repeating a story about dinner, and everyone was like, but low key like the most shocking part. Of this is that toddy said, Kach in like he absolutely. That is absolutely. The most shocking part of this. I think it's because like they voted present he's very controls images in with. I, I guess my question for you is James presents himself as someone who's very much. Sure. But I get the sense that he is incredibly childlike and is not masking. Is that a little bit of him being inbetween? Is that Gemini, what is that? It's definitely heavily Gemini air sign have this ability, who? Like you said, he's very put together. They're both air signs. So airlines have this kind of mass club, they put over themselves because they know they can get away with stuff. They're very smart. They're very. Intellectual. And I mean, I would look pant James's info there's this website called Astro team that makes up the percentage of their elements. He's thirty six point two percent air, which is insane. That's a lot of air, and then he's got thirty four point five percent earth. So it's such an interesting combination because Aaron earth like do not mash, very well. But there they do both share certain similar similarities, which is this, like very controlled kind of way of coming across, and they, they're not good at letting people in the then he's also has this lightheartedness to him. And like I said, he's got the Pluto and budgetary which is where you get this childish behavior from they like. Are not good at taking accountability. They like gloss over there, eyars. They don't think related. They're very childlike. So he's got like a bit of both. And then, you know, when you bring in his German, I it's more about same. Same thing where geminis? I mean I somewhat I won't get ahead of myself. Oh, leave up for for the one left a comment about geminis, but I'll talk about that later. But yeah. So he's got this thing where he's like super mature, but he's also super childish, and I think you can be both. I mean, over, I know from, like, for myself as an Aquarius Aquarius in nine are very similar, like I'm very mature, but, like using catch me during the dumbest shit. He's, he's, he's gotta be really careful because he has an also just like Moonen Virgo. He can like fall into addiction. He can fall into really dark times. So I, I worry about him. I when he likes set in his video that, you know, he contemplated taking his own life, kind of eluded to that. Yeah. I mean that was like, really sad. I I really felt for him. And there's some where it's hard there's something really dark about this whole thing. Oh, there's something for sure dark about it. And I think that, you know, one thing that we're all sort of doing is taking all of these master manipulators. He's historic master manipulator for taking them all at face value. And I do think that there's been something conspiratory. Oriel going on here. I think that this has something to do with Jaffrey. I think this has something to do with hockey. I'm going to be honest. I think Tati is very easily manipulated, because I think that she comes with a very open heart, and she does want to help ball. She is eager to be light. She is eager to show love to other people via part of a community. Like I very much see that from her at all lines up for me like not even as on that, because that's further. It's funny you say that because you're literally describing to a T, what an Aquarius is goes are all Aquarius, qualities. Yeah. I think that, like I just I get all that from her. And then also, if you put on the facts that she's Christian, she seems, very family oriented. I do I do buy into that. I think that she could be someone that is like very easy to use his puppet. And I think that. That there is something to this, where the older people in the community are like Heacon bounce back. Like he is always going to have more time than we do. And those things moti Shane Dawson has been involved to what do you think the deal is with that, because I don't really know why I, I know that he's doing something with the beauty community that series on Jeffrey star. And he's like friends would Jaffrey and Taty. But I know you was also friends with James at one point. So I don't really know like what is like, what is his puppet mastering involved here, because he definitely shouldn't he, he is or not being this, you know. Weird. I mean he's another. Oh, gee, as you say, I, I, I don't know. And I don't know what his friendship was James Charles. I have kind of stopped following Shane awhile ago, but I just noticed when I was like trying to recap all strong that he was low key, you know, tweeting report for Todd T and was like very involved with Jeffrey right now. But what do you I, I don't know? I can't figure I'll I just think that life seven bowl, then I'll is the person that you just don't want to be involved with on that level of Jeffrey star recalls me and said, hey, do you wanna get in on a plan together? I would love to, but absolutely not. Calling me the like I used just like I feel like he's someone that you just probably shouldn't roll around in the mud with. I don't know. If I mean, it could be this could literally be. I know Shane as and misses fucking gin spiracy. I know that chain is doing a series on the view community. It would be fascinating. If this entire thing was scripted to get everyone more views because God, one thing, I realized is that if Jeffrey in James like came together to do this, in some way were Jeffrey was needling Todd to step forward and say something and like it would all equal out like were they all are is that James is still well above thirteen million. He helped Hoti is now at ten I think that, that would be. Small price. Dr the redemption ark is very interesting for James. I don't know. I just think Jeffrey has like a cockroach leg survival ability to be forgiven over over again. Like I don't know like there is a world in which I do think that that's possible. Like I do think that it's. Like I don't think it will be the most unheard of thing. I you'll be like a caper I think it would be a bucket. You know, once in a lifetime thing. But I think that, that would be a really brilliant tool to show, how cancel culture in the community works, and my, how people just like swipe each other down all the time that would be fascinating to me. I just don't know if that's at. I don't like I feel like Shane probably. I don't even know if he knows everything. Yeah. And I mean, like I literally woke up this morning, and the first thing I did was like check Jeffrey stars Twitter. His tweets like have me so Shug and, you know, I know I like. I'm leading or something the half air 'cause he so dramatic. Like did you like the way that he words sayings like the way that he talks accused huge editor, like there's a reason why he banned from our house. It's so what I have to say is in so sick in so disappointing. Hells me, but because it's like dynasty level like just like overwrought drama. But the unfortunate thing is that these are real people like these actually there's consequences to these words, I was wondering, did you did you do his chart at all? Is there anything that like explains sort of way who this person is? So I didn't get a chance to, but I started doing it right now when we start talking about him, he's a Scorpio. No surprise. And I want to lead his mercury because that's how you speak, and it's in Saudi Terry. So that's totally explained like the drums, the like the dramatic and also like just this like, elevate Shen. So what else he would exaggeration, you know, Sagittarius they're like very playful signs. But they're also they be liars. They stretched the proves kind of thing playful is very interesting. Like, if I like have a visual image of like Jeffrey, my head, as like anything buddy human, it's like a wove licking its chops like. Out there. Buck in sharpening his knife. Like like that thing where it's like, I think that this is playful to him, like, broccoli playground for him. And I don't know if that's because he's safe with his money. And so he can kind of afford to fuck around a bet or, or what this is, but Jeffrey, always seems like he has nothing to lose to me, which is fascinated athletes so much to lose. He is like. He's in very Scorpio, in, like a lot of Scorpio in chart. His clued always liked. Look up people's kudos sign Pluto, is wait transformation and power planet of death and rebirth. It's end of everything. And, and his is in Scorpio just like his son. So he's kind of like a full circle person mortal is what you're saying, basically. He comes across his immortal. That's totally how I would put it. He's the one to watch like I'll just say he's the one to watch hundred percent or worse. Jeffrey stars on have your eye on. I think we've all known that we continue to know that I I'm not absorbing Audi of like her since here, I think that it was it was this whole thing is very dark in incredibly unfortunate. I'm also not cleansing James Charles visits here, I if I had to pick a guilty. For some reason my ass is picking Jeffrey star in. I don't know why I just don't think it is. Either one of them, like I don't think the root of the issue is James or toddy. I think that there's something much bigger going on here. And I think we all know it. I don't know what Jeffrey is gonna say he claims he's got receipts up the ass James said something. Very clearly said these are defamatory comments, which I think, is a winger the lawsuit, you know, Janson Ethan I was shocked at Jefferson. I mean I'm not shocked. He does whatever he wants but can even tweeted about, you know, James's younger brother. Now, what seventeen I know like when he was like your brothers? So hand tweeted something like he was like men wise. Everyone, so tough online and like allegedly again, it was a tweet about, like on a bully from his high school, okay? Because Hannah still seventeen years old. He's literally kid. He's still in high school. Probably like one line. Hey school now. But whatever. And you said he like Jeffrey, quote tweets them and says, why is your brother predator? Goes you. He goes, you know what you've been able, why don't you tell everyone saying move back to New York. Okay. Gluck. He always, does this thing of like creating a mystery. Yes. And it sounded like James tried to fuck his brother like the way. Yes, the way he laid he was to be like. Oh, no. What did James duty in like, why is an era of his brother being a predator? Why is back in NYC like the like the fuck happens. I like I honestly didn't even like lawsuit seeks is when this all talk jobs. Right. I, I didn't really. I didn't watch the video. I don't want anything until Jeffrey involved in the way like this is like scary. What is going on? And then I watched everything, like all in one day. Which was like yesterday. So this is like, all fresh to me, but it took like crazy ass jeopardy getting involved for me to like. A he has so much influence. There's just something about influence. I know I know he's really scary. He's really. I love the point where driving home. He makes a bomb setting powder. I have been. I thought the setting powder guys he'd on me all you want. Okay. Everyone's evil. I wanted to try thug and products. It is a bone harder. I mean the thing is like Scorpio's. They're not on gives like there's also a quality to them. They're very magnetic, people are just attracted to Scorpio's. And that's like one of Beverly positive qualities unless you use it for like eagle. Jeffrey. But you have this very good. No, go ahead. I was just gonna ask, like what do you think about Jeffrey and gay men and Jeffrey and women because I feel again away the predatory stuff from Jeffrey was kind of ironic to say the least as his boyfriend identifies as a straight, man. I got it was in which, by the way like you can figure that out. I don't know what that means the Jeffries boyfriend identifies as straight man currently Jeffrey was the first person a first man that Nate had ever been with in Jeffrey, doesn't he does the he? She 'Lion thing he literally caused like he's gender as an alien he says, so I don't know what that means. I do know that every asked his saying that he doesn't like to hang out with women. He would rather hang out with the broS because women are. Women are knowing amok, Shas than it's the same reason why he doesn't really like other gay men, because they act like women, and I think that there's something there when it comes to sort of some of the more homophobic, is seeming, like seems elements of this underlying stuff that sort of being pushed in the fandom iding that also like the way that taught he is looking now is not that favorable. And the meaning how we numb is Jeffrey in some of the things that he's said to James about how he was gonna have, you know, he's five different straight guys rollout individual videos, saying that they will by Jane's, predatory nature, led by guys, I can not stress enough to you like as I'm saying this like I'm laughing because it's this will thing is ridiculous. Like it's it's like somehow lake the weaponising of all these release serious. Things had a good exit funny. Like it's it's like so many serious things. It's like next thing we know like, you know, fucking Jeffrey is gonna come out with video saying the James tried to get him to hire a hitman like we're a level ten now of, like where is this gonna go next? They deserve a secret black face video of James, like, does he have, like what the fuck happened here? It's all insidious all the characters are just like so unique. It's so true, what do you think about Jeffrey, though, in the sort of, like what seems to be like, women hating, also, you know, homophobia, within his community. I don't know. He's kind of like in a lane of his own. I like you said with like him not identifying as anything like he's like this Alleyen. Thing. I, I know she feels above all of it. Anything you can in the only person he cares about is himself. Definitely one hundred percent like it being ages works in his neighbor. He'll use that being homophobic works in his favor. He'll use that if you know, manipulative anything. Yeah. And I now insanity thing. There's something so fascinating about that to me. You think he's like a sociopath. I mean, your words not mine, but absolutely. Fine point to. Yeah. Because I think that, yeah, there's something really interesting going on there, especially when you reach a certain point, you know, you don't need money like that anymore like you don't need to you. Don't need to hunt for power when you already have so much power. I think they continued hunt for powers. Very telling to me. Because he trying their make up. What did you say is he like the Steve Jobs of makeup? I don't know Steve Jobs of makeup. Yes, that's exactly low keys. Steve Jobs was not agree guy. Okay. Let's move onto some of the more listeners submitted stuff. I feel like we did some good work on this James Charles Jeffery saw for star Taty Westbrook thing, I think that these developments will continue to happen, so quickly that this'll be terribly out of date, by the time we Guinot Ryan, I'm this aired is in terms of the storytelling. But I think that this is great. I'm obsessed with infidelity this guy who does tarot card Redan, and I had you watch his video beforehand. I wanna give a shoutout to him its aunt for diety like Anthony in emanate Aphrodite mixed together and for ninety. He's very I loved his potty video like him alluding to like her possibly have no controlling husband. I end like that because I. I love her husband, James. I don't know anything about him. He's just like the way she described him sounded really sweet. Yeah. He dislikes. He's aware. He helped out it will be jamming. Yeah, it will be devastating to find out that he's like a master manipulator. But then, again, we all know that people are fucking crazy. So who else is fucking crazy? And we have talked about. I know we want to close this chapter but Gabriel the Maura. Oh, yeah. Like, really, what's his deal? I don't know. He'll, but when I was watching that video that you told me to watch he mentioned, the third party that could be the one leaking this stuff is like definitely a water sign, and gave her the trees. So that tries and what he was getting out was like James has been loose lips with someone. And this person is a water sign, and we know like James and Gabriel has been talking about talking and stuff. I don't know. We'll see what happens someone in the comments of that video said that Taty is stepson is a waterside and I was like I will if it's taught you stepson. I will kill myself like I'm Gary hotline number James b. Be that I'm sorry if it was top. He's son Tyler, I would run off a bridge. He is so sweet, I like. But I stand the west were boys I love Tyler and I love James Westbrook Todd. She's husband. So I'm just check them out. I don't know this family. They're just so nice lake in a way that you can't fake like nature the way that they interact together. Like you can just tell that they're nice people, and I don't and I don't think you can fake it. I think that, like you would all have to be Oskar winning actors to fake family that interacts at kindly with one, another really have good nature. Charming generous rights hit of life written down for Todd g on my. No. Yeah. I mean there we go. But yes, you guys keep all that great those great nuggets at Ameris shared with us today in mind. Has that story unfolds because this is all, yeah, I think it's so murky. It's so murky going to continue for a while. So we got some emails tax one says, hey, I was wondering if you could ask if to libra can ever successful romantic relationship with each other. Sincerely, libra with Virgo moon. I love this being heard the answers totally. Yes, one of my closest friends, though, libra and his wife is brought they just had a baby last year. They're like the pin me of like such a happy couple. There's a lot of signs that if like to cancers together, that's just too much drama. But to Liebers together, you guys both know how to communicate you guys probably will talk way too much. But you guys are both ruled by Venus. That's the plan of planet of love. So there's like intense intimacy they're emotionally and physically. The only thing I would say is that libra or also ruled by Saturn and Saturn is very cold. Air lines are very cold and libra air signs. So you guys might struggled to break down that wall. But as soon as that wall comes down, like you guys have got it going on, like Labour's are fun. They're chill their charming adventurous understanding. See the only like worst, qualities. And I think you guys could easily work through these or that the Bruce can be like, no, it all, and they tend to be like, overly mature, fix very concerned with other people's opinions of them. That's their biggest downfall. I would say they, they're also very easily like manipulated and stuff. So make really have like one of those weird couples you know what I mean like. Yeah. Like a frayed people talking about them, and they're like earned, Dan and self. Fish in weird that go bad. I could see that. But it sounds awful. Yeah. No. For the most part, I would say like that is one of the combinations of, like same sign that would be the most positive. That's dove. I think it's so sweet to that, like, I don't know if I'm projecting on this. But typically, when I ask questions like this the world or of psychics, or of astrologist, or whatever I'm asking, because I'm like, really, really hoping that a relationship someone I really like will work. Yeah, it was acute work. My friends. I hope so too. I the Virgo moon is interesting like me said, our boy, James, Charles has this Burgo moon. But oh, you know what? That's interesting. They're both air signs of them. Maybe you share something in common with Jan. You might be a little sneaky. Yeah. No, I would say you guys have a good chance to learn to not care about other people's opinions. So it'd be my main advice. If you wanna buy including her significant other, or the people around them. And the people around them. So lightly around them might not think they're right for each other. But, like not over think that. Not necessarily just about the relationship just about everything. Because then like your entire character comes into question when you're so easily swayed by the things people say, like they they'll change for people like, LeBron will become anyone, you want them to become but. He your greatest gift is just stay true yourself and not all for that. Yeah. Yeah. Girl, why LeBron's, your Tedi works updates as update us, if you guys get engaged or something, you know. Okay. Here is another question from our mailbag. Why do Aquarius is get ragged on for being heartless and emotionless in what's your experience with them? You are. Do you have? Do you have do you have experiences with Aquarius? I mean is I'm going to speak about you, in particular, like you're one of the most loving way, warm balls of light, mushy people. I know it's so interesting. Because I wonder what the sign of the person who is e mailing this is because or, you know, maybe she's an Aquarius and she's worried about that or. Yeah. You know, she she might ban aquaria. Yeah. I mean, I will say that, like just reflief like an overarching thing is like those names that are going around, like where they're like, this is you're not, if you're like this is the clip from I love New York. That is the most like your design, you know, I think that those are very like not to be taken literally at all. And also the like swayed by the opinion of the person who's making them. So, you know, the way that I- mouth off. About Leo's all the time on this podcast is more under percents, everything to do with me and probably only ninety nine percent to do with Leo's. So. A one percent me projecting. To try to answer her question. I don't know. I wanna know to a fellow Aquarius. If you are in a Chris, because Chris are like the humanitarian of zodiac like we literally are here to like serve the community. But there is this is a cold streak to Aquarius where I could see them motionless for come out, they because they're so in for the greater good, they can cut off the personally. You know like. Like I master to die for like the rest of society to live. They will like murder that one person. Right. Right round. Like they have that ability. They're, they're very rational people, and they can be. No, it alls. I know growing up. I was like, no at all. None. You know, a chilled out, and I was like, not good luck, but Aquarius can be no at all. But other than that, I think we're like very chill very loving people and we're very FedEx so at grew and every single sign like is described by its negative traits, as well as the positive and the negative traits when they're written down can be very harsh. It's why I actually got off coast are because I felt like that AB had like just was like, not working for me, like literally every single day. It would be like bad air. It'd be like, good area, nothing and then he like. Areas of crisis in like it would be like work love money. You like oh, so, like my whole life is falling apart. Thanks coast on. Also not helpful at all. And I think sometimes in astrology like people, you know, it feels very, it's very personal when you're reading it and sometimes reading certain words aligned with your persona can feel extra harsh. So I don't I don't I mean that is so not my experience. View ameris. And I'm sure you know, Honey guidance like the Aquarius is like the help that makes total sense that makes total total says. Yeah, I don't know why Aquarius is our out. You're getting ragged on. I think we're all getting, you know. So this is from a friend of this show, they right? I'm a Scorpio the last year or two have been rough is a bad time for all Scorpio's. Or is it just me also? What's up with that newest frolic shit? It's hips your bullshit. Is it hipster bullshit? Or is it legit because under that unlike of sucking walrus or something? You know, it's so funny because he's saying, like the Scorpio's a walrus enhance a scorpion. Wait a minute, like that. Okay. So this is a good question. Like, basically, like what do you do? You think there's truth to the overall like idea in world of astrology? Obviously you do. But maybe this is a chance for you to sort of build up that in a mall. Get to the Scorpio part of it. I grew up like even when I was younger it was my sister got me into it. She was always into strategy. So like way before like if came trendy it was always just something we were into. And, you know, like my parents are pastors. So I think maybe we were looking for, like alternate things to believe in because we weren't into Christianity, and it was being hammered into us. I think if we believe, you know, in the moon cycles, and how the moon affects the tide like that's just a why can't we believe that, you know, and, and things in space, have this direct effects on us. If we're composed of, like what, what is it like ninety nine percent water? Some shit. Yeah. So I feel like you can make that argument there. And. I do believe in it, it put in regards to this question I do have like a rough time answering it because. When it comes to like. Tracking stuff. I'm not like super in depth with that. Like I don't really know how to answer that. I'm sorry. What in terms of the Scorpio aspect of it? Yeah. Like how they, they about the last two years or so. I would recommend them. Go do what has to like, go on a website and find their progress, char inclined to see where they're at. Because when you look at your progress chart, it shows, you where the planets are currently like it might not be in Scorpio right now. It could be somewhere else. Personal question. That's like major like affects for me. When I found out later like oh, you are blank was in blank for the last two years. And that made again, the financial issues or the, you know, fear or whatever that you've been experiencing like business Ben unstable because this planet was out of here for a really long time like that. That makes sense. I do find good who are friend who wrote this in. I will see that I find horoscopes to be incredibly comforting to look back on. So if I were you I would take this time to go read your maybe last year's in review on, like Susan Miller or something. Visit Miller used Miller has a great year in reviews. I don't know. She still nursing and those were all out goal for me to look at because they'd be like, oh, this is around the time I was moving LA like. This is why this energy was born. So it helps sort of more to like look back on it for me than it does to really like, overly anticipate, and that could be like a fun, part of astrology that you could explore on your own. And I guess you could also answer your second question with that. And see what's up with this new astrology shea may be you'll want you in it may be won't you know, but it's never too late to start. I know for me. It's very comforting. I love her, but I also don't use it to dissipate stuff. I more like both as well. Yeah. I agree like it's, it's very light. Just I think also this could be my Capra corn. We're actually going to have a cap on question as I can, but for me with my Capricorn I feel like I would rather into all possibilities than like holding hope out for one or expecting one outcome to happen. Like I think that that's very damaging thinking, just in terms of light. Oh, like I'm. Gonna hope out for this in wished for this like this is going to eventually happen to meet that person. Mike. No. Like all that happen in life. You still have to make them happen like these are over on for what's possible for you for lex success for work for love for whatever. All of these things are like. What's possible in that time for you and best possibilities in like you have to work to make your possibilities happen? So sometimes they like putting false goal ahead of you is very like it can be damaging, you know, told him or so. Matty, Cesca wants to know famous cap reports I share a birthday on plunder. Mom eating under, mommy, Queen of Glendale, Sakaba corn is share birthday with George Foreman. So an Elvis, Presley is a famous cap record. I know Zoe Dacian L or business partner was also a Capricorn as well. Do you know David David Lynch is my favorite came as Capricorn? Good. Who else David Lynch is my number one Elvis. I knew the comp record. But to be honest, you, you really are the number one, you must have return. Your the ruler and die. There's on me. Though. I this is my Molly spec in crazy. Because her friends, second build what you know, she's has she a famous Capricorn young guys. I'm almost famous Capricorn note not. I mean not Ryan seagrass. Whoa. Kate middleton. No. None of them. It's me. Molly for sure. I don't think Kate Middleton has her own matches. So I sure you beat her. That's true. I mean, everyone Rodley Cooper, like means nothing compared to me in this town blue Ivy Carter. She's a nobody. Trueblue Ivy was born during my birthday party. Like the guys it's about me, it was choose born during my birthday going the only non thinks blue ID was born during her birthday. No, I was at my birthday party. When I found out that blue, I was born on January, which is also on Elvis's birthday and an issue the guard before him. He is a Capricorn baby. She was born preempted Virgo. So the fellow or it's so interesting. Good. I was talking to someone this week, who was Virgo. And she said like, oh, I've always felt so connected to you, like, and I want, like, what's your sign, and I was like I cannot believe Virgo likes, like I, I was like I don't like anyone. Thank you compliment. Because I don't go on this planet aided me. So I appreciate that. What's up? Virgos early. I'm gonna get some hate here, but I, I don't care virgos are nasty people. They just hate everyone. They hate everything thin, live like an Abed of a scusi where everyone. I just don't fuck with vertigo. You are like more, so like this is the other best part about astrology as like literally Orson has, like an irrational. Elamine Burgos, national like it's like it's kind of rational. Now I stepped in shit awhile back because IRA Madison third came on. And I you know, he made me, make some statements that I've retracted, he did not make me make. But I'm running the idea that IRA force me into this statement. And it was Aries our trash, and I also forgot that is a lien Leonardo. When I accepted this statement that he brought in my life. I sat in I take it back. I am also an Aries rising sign so it doesn't like a few are maybe that's a little self hatred in there. Maybe it's pleaser in me that wanted to say that, I think Aries are trash someone writes, Rachel, gene rights, wire Aries trash Lang. I don't think they are, but I don't think they are either actually love areas. But I heard a story for what Aries are actually draft. Oh, come my, my best friend is an airy and he okay, one time we snuck into this abandoned building together and out of nowhere these, like hip bulls came running at us barking. So we're trying to escape this abandoned building. He gets to the door I through the door and slams shut right in my face. That's San problem. That's oppressed. This Aries in a nutshell. This are all about self survival, and is it means killing their best friends, leaving them to die with hip full tearing them apart. That is not saying of him that is not very Aquarius of him at all. That is seen in thing. And that's why Aries our trash, I could being like as an Aquarius being so hurt by that. I mean you. So hurt that I even just like said it publicly on a podcast. It's no, like ten years before I my ex was eleo, and we heard like a rumbling by the trash can one night. We were like outside. His trash cans, like were kind of notorious or like ten notorious known all around town for being the treasurer. No, but homeless he were always in his trash, they would get off at the bus, stop, like right by in. They would like hang like hideout by the dumpsters. So we start to run inside and the fucking locked heavy door. Like they're like, literally, the steel door slam shut and he walks me outside like with this homeless alleged homeless person that fire sign. I was like, what are like, literally, you're my boyfriend's like whole? Is. Get me. And there's you know what I need is good. I was the one who I heard the noise like me at the years like. It's an not is like one of those moments where you're like, oh, it's because it's profound. Yeah. Like leaves you on the other side of a door. That is a profound moment for sure. Like I think about it all the time. And like areas, Leo's sanitaire. It's just fire signs in general. They have this, like self survival mode, that they go into, and they'll always choose themselves over anyone else. I think. Well, funny, my God. That's why Aries trash. But we love them. But I you know, why is an Aries my best friend, I doesn't areas like gotta give it up to a lot of areas out there. Yeah. I love areas that might only God that doesn't Aries my dog says, Mary, too. Oh, that's such an my gay best friend. So. Damn fucking dogs and gave us friends, gotta keep America. So many mills writes, why did geminis get such a bad rap. Because of James Charles. I'm kidding be actually because of Donald Trump. And now of. Cognate was. There's lots of people have pets. I love Germanized. I'm kidding. I'm an Aquarius. So I'm you know. Fellow heir sign and I love my ear signs. And Jemma is act. Like Germany's up there for like being one of my favorite signs my grandma's a German. I and she is like such a sweetheart. I don't know why John is are. I mean I do because they're fucking crazy. But they, they also have such big hearts. And I don't think people talk about God enough. Yeah. I think that anything I it's so interesting because, like geminis everyone already has duality to them, and then, like, geminis is on top of that are like known for like an additional layer of that in for everything bad about it. There's also good there, too. You know, in as someone it's so funny that Christina listed these questions this way. I wonder if it was intentional because I'm a cat on within areas, moon in voting fuck it. He put my shit on blast. She put my shit. Yeah. I will tell you like I cried when I found out, Gemini, was in my chart was, I always had such, like a bad feeling. Gemini is like film in the stomach. When someone I hold me in just it's kind of fucked up like the, you know, there's you cleared, I the one who told you that I think it was you, it was you or Chris Medina. I think it might have been you. I remember telling you, that because I don't know, areas everywhere my chart and I thought that I was a statutory us in the new told me Gemini. Yeah. I think you I was like, really like upset when he's old. I remember that. Okay. So we have someone from. P. H O, P, A day, it says, am I a real Scorpio, if I have almost no jealous feelings in forget, slights almost immediately? I e not vengeful. Well, I would say, we've got look at your full chart 'cause your son sign doesn't define you. You know, you've got you've got so many layers to your chart to look into that probably. Give us more inside. If you really are Scorpio's. Yes. Do you have that kind of notorious jealous streak and berry bunch vengeful, if you're not, I'm figuring you probably have like a really chill moon sign like, like, maybe an Aquarius moon or something? That's, that's what I would say. Yes. Sure, real Scorpio, you just probably have have other parts of your chart that are not on the given you're not Unger. Jeffrey star like yellow all over the place. It's so funny that all of these questions are like the characters in our story. I know it is we the query is, we've got the Gemini and Scorpio. It's so interesting that like it worked out like that, too. Like I mean, I'm sure Christina gonna give her some credit here. I'm sure she planned this quite a bit. But damn. Yeah. So. Then we get a very desperate attention seeking Email from. Days. The goal it says, can we take a look at Leo's area tides larger than life, selfish limelight lovers versus something like that adjacent? I'm not terrible. LOL. I'm not terrible aloe. But I assume that this is a defensive statement. Let's take a look at their stereotypes for, for everyone's mental health. Let's examine because I have people on this podcast for years. But at the same time I. I think someone has to be real with the Leo's about who they are. Okay. Yes. Leo's can't help themselves. They just love making everything about themselves. I've never had Leah is not like that. But I will the thing in Leo's, they're also like very, they're very warm people. And they're caring and kind hearted actually Leo is the opposite sign of Aquarius. So we are, like, you know, to have the whole play like Aquarius serves the community and society, and we owe serve themselves. themselves. But also, they, they serve people. They, they love to serve people on an individual level. You know, like they're about person to person whereas Aquarius of society. So we have this ability to like make make someone feel special. They know how to do that. They know how to care about people. They're very loving. They're not all bad. Why I, I saw much. I'm I'm a sucker. Really actually lovely. Oh. Yeah. Did you I said, why do I need them so much? Because I, I have to say like two year lasting like I have a soft spot for Leo's to your people that have fucked me over time and time again, like just along like always just like never found never were good. Friends in the long run, never were long relationship partners in the long run. I know that Capricorn bring a lot of impossibility to the table in their own way. And I'm just wondering why is like, there's nothing like I would say not attention seeking about what I'm doing right now. I'm hosting if I can podcast. I enjoy as well. I don't look down sunshine. But like why do why is it such a shit storm for me in a Leo? You know, I mean it's interesting because you're moon is in Leo. So I wonder how much that comes from your moon being in Leo and moon is in Leo. You're moon is in Leo. No, an Aries. Are you? Sure I thought it was an area too. So that's why I was confused when Leo kept coming up. I'm a Capricorn Aries. Gemini? I that's what I thought because like I always tell you, you're like my mom. She's the top of corn, son Aries moon, but every pulled pulled it through Chari kept saying Leo moon. No really, I don't know. This is Jack dob. Let me I did it on several different websites, 'cause I was getting like all your info. I can't live like this. If it turns me, oh, again, I'm going to need that suicide hotline number. This is. Well, I even confused though because I know that you had an areas moon. I was like where did this? Every, but I tried. They say. But it's like I literally printed out your chart from, like several different websites, and they all gave me Leo moon. Oh, and I was I was confused because I've always known you to be an Aries man. I'm gonna hand for the FBI. Yeah. Let's call the FBI fucking wait. Jeffrey star, put my shit. After this. He's already like he's streaming this to Calabasas somehow. Aid someone. Would not be surprised if that's the level. Alone assets. Jeffrey star. Glendale, fucked me over. January nineteen right? Ten oh stupid. Okay. So you're not Lioma this total. Okay. Good. Okay. She's prize, you. You sent me a typo in your text message on some. I'm literally just turned autocorrect on miss me because I've always been like I'm not using. One's gonna tell me. I was really disappointed because I was like, you know, I always oh, you and Camilo and my friend, Lydia together as my Capra porn areas people. But like, you know, my mom's Capricorn Aries, and I just like seek people that have my mom's I okay. So good. Typo of me I will say that's airy. I was really confused. I was like, when did this happen? Did we talk about nor Jaffrey star paid for my moons move? We have one last question also from Cassidy's ical, who went straight into the Leo thing to just writing this sentence, Bruce, Willis and Demi Moore. I'm sorry in wrote after note from Christina, I suppose they're asking about the charts. I don't know. Are they talking about Leo's, Bruce Willis and Demi Moore Leo's away? I looked is vote. Willis is a Pisces and Demi Moore's Scorpio. So they're both water signed and not only are they water signs. I looked up there elements like what they're dominant elements. Are he is forty five point seven percent water, which is insane? I thought that was crazy. And then I went to look at Demi Moore and she's fucking crazier. She's fifty seven point seven percent water. She's almost sixty percent water, which is in sane like these two people must be like so highly sensitive and passionate and like insane. Is there mushroom episode about them? I believe there is. Yes. Guys mushroom, God ADA Gus Chuck it out. It's a shot out poise the best until I got to meet him. The craziness of you the one day that toys ever in L A's, also. To LA. It's like bam Mo's like wonderful his thing that's ever happened. The stars lines that day Honey that was magical. Sure. I feel like we recorded for so much longer than we were supposed to. Did. We have a lot of stumps Sykes. This was incredible you were amazing at this America's. On. Yeah. You were the bomb sooner link your social media in the bio of this. If we don't do that, then she didn't want that. But Ameris you gotta come back to do a thing with Christina cash to thank you so much for being with me for doing this and tell your sister said, hi and enjoy the rest of your pizza in a big from a police station. I'm sure guys. Thanks for sending in those questions. In what a gift. Right, they were fun. They were so fun. I'm you know, God, we talked about the James. So all my God. I just checked my phone with bated breath to find out, whether or not completely out of date already in thankfully, John toys, not dropped any bombs on the Lord's day. Is it still the black harder the most recent tweet? Oh my God. Let me shock. I'm like every time I go on his profile it's just this lack heart that he tweeted last night. I deleted the Twitter opera my phone. So really thought I was doing something for myself. And yeah, but I've been Daryl iding in through the web, browser like a maniac. It's like what early alike. It's like any other addict like finding loophole like. Let me some good just the blackheart. Okay. Well art bitch. His heart is black in new set it for the last. I love you so much. You guys make sure to reach back out at out to us about this. We may, we can do another episode with you really soon in sort of answer. Some more questions from the community. Yes, that's so much fun. This is awesome. I love you girl. Let some I'll talk live you up. Oh, okay. Okay. Mommy, by Honey bee. Well, stay well in by talk to you soon.

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Jeffree Star, Tati Westbrook, and James Charles: Look At All These Dummies

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Jeffree Star, Tati Westbrook, and James Charles: Look At All These Dummies

"I'm not talking about this anymore. I am done on your house killer keeps star love Scott. Oh, I do. I don't want to be involved. I'm done. This is done. I didn't want this to happen. It's over swim not going to play the games that I started to play. I'm not talking about this anymore up canceling the James, Charles Translink. I'm good and I'm done getting caught up. I am done because that's not me. What do I think? I don't think of her. Me. Yeah. Jerry. Jerry. Well, I just really don't want to talk about this. Hi, guys. This is eating for free the podcast where we report from the absolute edge of the internet week after week staring into the great darkness at the very edge of the multi verse. And all it has to say back is, what does it have to say? Back with the darkness tell us this week. It told us to watch our backs and it told us to move on. I thought it said stream blackout on. Okay. Okay. By the way record record time. Introducing the show it couldn't be faster getting there faster. I think we're just gonna start opening with the show itself. I think we should I feel like we should just like be all hod cast, because like goals to action like let's announce our names. No. This way, we can talk as long as we want about things that our listeners do not care about how worrying about the time. So, yeah, I'm local menace going international Jones summers. I am a international artisan, going lactic. Expanding my reaches. What's your name? Did you forget? Oh, Matthew, Lawson. I was like. She's barely pregnant girls. Dragged me out for having a heat stroke on the Hutt topics this we I want you all to know we just witnessed an aneurysm. And so what a great way to start an episode where at the end I will be pouring bleach just all over. I'll be a bleach shower. Like I, I really just want to jump into a lava volcano after the recording of this episode because I just I need my existence to be scrubbed from this earth in a way that is more permanent than just screaming out might and it's noted fault. Honestly, it's not our fault. I we this whole thing, the amount of work we had to do you know this is going to be about based off the title. Obviously, we told you head time we were like let's do vitamins, like let's let's change it up, like let's do fit t like let's do hair in different religious all in the same diagram right now. And then we thought we'd put it to bed everyone in their mother decides to release a fucking YouTube apology. Over the last five days just to it wasn't. Right. It really just wasn't. Right of us. We dot us, we discuss with the fuck is happy, Oliver time into the story opinions of changed stories have changed players have entered exited the word it has been completely overturned flipped. Upside down shredded relieving molded, and then back on fire. You thought we were playing checkers bid, I'm playing chess. You know what listen? I just want to start this off with a resounding folk Jeffrey star. Oh, I mean, that's, that's where I wanted to start, but the real frame of this episode so we're going to be catching up on the latest in the Taty, James Jeffrey drama, but we don't really want to be about the drama specifically because everyone knows what's going on everyone in their mothers know what's going on. But like we did last week, we wanna, like, re contextualised the narrative right now because just like last week everyone and they're fucking mother's made a drama channel tubes to recap this or more videos minuting per hour than you could watch like in a lifetime. I really do think that like, in ten years, I will fully have my book written on media literacy in the YouTube age because this episode really does shine a light on the way that we consume quote drama and T and receipts. And how often times we are. Ignoring the much larger narrative behind the scenes that if you do, even the slightest amount of digging becomes extremely apparent. So why don't you start us off with this Atlantic article? I mean, fuck the Atlantic too, but this was an interesting article that I think frames. They are actually the best. We have. Also, the only way we can really tell everybody how we feel also is the kind of explain that the store like to explain the string swim individuals, because it's like Canada, this point, these are forty minute TV show episodes being released. Here's the drama, here's the t- like last night. It's over the course of the last like six days. Some I have consumed more beauty guru videos than I have ever been doing with my entire life. And I'm not even trying to sound above beauty gurus, like, get your fix girl. Like I watched like our thing I watch literally, the most trashy YouTube videos, you ever can imagine. Like how Shrek is literally like capitalism one. No one and why that makes it the best movie ever. I like I y on YouTube, I also watch like dead, malls, Letgale is crap. Don't writers back three favorite radio high YouTube videos are Jenny Nicholson videos. Yes, KENDALL recommended me those like dead mall series, where people just like go to dead, malls, relent, Riverdale is on crack YouTube compilations made by teens. Like those are the beautiful thing. It's really beautiful. It's actually like the best type of media. We have right now so into. Into. This world. This in try force of them is evil and dark. So why don't you start off with this Atlantic article because I think it's like the most important. Okay. So I mean yeah, this is really I think also how we're going to frame this also this article from Atlantic, it's called. How tea accounts are fueling few slur feuds say there. I saw the brain rot. I never like honestly again we've had to say so much about this. And we've just so much more say so article just kinda goes over like who you know, Jamison, Taty are and, you know how James only in, like literally about three years at twenty sixteen. He was in high school like upstate New York, you know, doing make of your ends of upstate New York cast a very long shadow over again. Again. We need context here. He since done sixteen has gone up to sixteen million subscribers at one time on YouTube, launches make a blind, you know, had clothing. You know, whatever all we, we were talking about him for a long time on the show as well. Are not involved in any of those he's like, kind of a cultural the how. Icon, but like a known person anyway. So can you imagine he gained viral fame? I because you work too much powder on the red carpet. I loved it. That was like our first entry into like the specter of James Charles, though a gallon gets, you know. Yeah. Anyway, so I mean, we describe this last week, really have hold deep dive on it. You know, Taty Westbrook other youtuber made a video talking about how she was promoting. Everything James has been doing plus two years. And it's helped him get to where he is new when he was a nobody. And of course, the things about straight chasing and the things about, you know, coacher Hullah in brand on me vitamin that whole thing that happened to Coachella. It's a lot. I mean how much do you talk do? We want to go into that plan because I have all the notes. I'm just like you know what we have done. So it's all everywhere. Yeah, yeah. Come on now. It's about vitamins either way, she felt bad. And I also do want to say, like before we can talk closing thoughts way later on. But like that video that taught he did was not the there was the drum on Instagram before I'll get a little context than going back and forth. So touchy video was definitely completely unexpected. But also same time there was like a prelude to that. But this context. On their friendship is really important. Yeah. So they were together. They were good business partners as we said, let video all the time, and of course, now she talks about this video saying that he is officially canceled in a sense. And while he was still in Ercole, is it goes into t accounts, which is like an interesting word frame as now they're called this, because, of course T, you know, information online gossip, what have you. But it's like specifically about YouTube Instagram. Twitter Facebook drama like pretty much just social media drama exclusively. Of course, most of them are by young fans like kids, I would think I think there's a lot of young adult preteens on this mostly I wanna say, like I did the exact like current, you know, make metrics of it, but it's definitely, you know, I've been thirty is like most of the audience most of when I was teaching high school student students most of the Instagram accounts that they follow our like drama alert and drama alerts the biggest one. Room like stuff like that. Like t- accounts. Yeah. Shade rumors like definitely one of those as well incense, but there's a lot of these like hyper specific ones that don't do that are of YouTube, that don't tell me they don't do Hollywood celebrities whatsoever. So there's ones like shook spill, what's the t t by alley? I mean those names tell you exactly like what's going on there? Like real time new sources. There's some scrubbing solves as like investigations throughout the week. Like they're just doing like investigations, like drama alert, constantly is like, here's what happened. Like let me give you an investigation, because they're collecting all the sources you see around the internet and composing them into like Instagram story or video essay, I will say, though, I also find that like in the YouTube community specifically, I don't know if you've noticed this, too, but like with Hollywood tipsters I think, because the money was so institutionalized. And the power dynamics in Hollywood are so institutionalized and archaic in a way. I mean they've been around since the twenties and thirties like those old unions with it now. And then so many industries is like back room TD lake blind. Just guy on donation. Yeah. Yeah. With youtube. I find that because so many young people are making YouTube what it is right now. They don't have that. And unless they reverence because I don't want to say that, that's what keeps people from like talking about celebrity gossip, but like they don't. Have that barrier of communication that say legume people living through the eighties and nineties, Hollywood might have had with celebrities like if they are like somebody who went to high school, James Charles, you can go on YouTube and become famous for a moment just by making video word. That's a little bit used different story time I went to high school with James Charles like forty minute video. Yeah. A million. And then nobody tells I want I was sent a video the other day where it was just a guy talking about a bad hookup. He had with Manny makeup artist. Oh, I know leave Jerry light insane. I'm gonna spill every single like act and sex trick that I did for this like mildly famous YouTubers human. Everyone makes their journals public and their stories public. Yeah. Everyone just as for groups at gossip has become a para social function like not pair social function. It has become para social in nature. Like whereas before it was like intersocial, and it was like between people. Now it's just out into the general. I've. All this is why I am really excited for us to do a YouTube series, get really into YouTube because we said this so many times, but like YouTube is now becoming what like half if not most of the consumption for most people under like fifteen or twelve at this point, I don't know Nestle the numbers were teens but lot of kids now. Yeah, we know our only watching YouTube in YouTube exclusively. So I think that's just something that's so interesting. Because we look at this team thing like the, you know shook spill whatever these are like the new TMZ in new like gossip, yes, I news even hundred calls about already firmly years, actually, a few years ago, by the Daily Beast about how like they even claim that, like drama is pretty much TMC at this point. And it's like for it just keeps going. And I love this article too, because it brings up, which is, I think, important here is that these accounts, especially, like, I think teaspoon was uses an example, make up to like sixty five thousand dollars a month because millions of scrubbers tons of ads tons of calls to action. There's like tons of cross promotion. And like other like paid singer can use launcer them merge. Yeah. Of course, just the general sponsorship. I mean you're getting all the. Views and you're like a daily hourly, maybe even like. Yeah. Legally hourly twenty four hour news cycle, this point. Yeah, yeah. Lots to monetize his guy who does the CEO to filter. I thought that was really interesting that he points out that it literally is just people aggregating Instagram stories snap chats and like some tweets and like monitoring the unfolding. Oh, no. So I always think about this because we follow sometimes like those housewives like blogs and stuff. Yeah. The time. And there's one that are like on that level of, like, who followed who, who commented wear all screen whole world built face sheets on who's follows who from when to win. And when they on, like voting challenges with it's like ads, the metrics score, that literally just recycle old, Instagram accounts. So that if you're all the levees, delete them they get archived on a separate Twitter. So it's so fucking wild. I also want to say that, like west Burke, literally in this says that she spoke to t- Instagram accounts. Yeah. I didn't know she said. Well, she says she spoke to t- spill and here. Yeah. After becoming angry with Charles she said that during her video, she's like, well, I have spoken to people about this. But then in her follow video repeatedly mentions that she didn't give any interviews and she didn't wanna talk about really have that. So we're going to get a little bit later onto that bizzare anything else about this article you wanna get into because I know that there's just a lot to cover today. Yeah. I mean, we're gonna get into it more later. But of course, as like Jim Charles knows helpless and followers against him bad, because there was a video by James will get a bit more into as well. There's just like there's just like we already you're churning passed it, which I think, is so interesting. Like, I, I did watch one, I mean, barely fully watched a drama video. I had to like see what like the dark side is always his whole hangs voices beard, make me already. Like wonder can we posit really quick that here have to Tom? Your host killer keeps star love Scott. Wrong a pitch. Up canceling the James Charles Translink. I mean, the cadence of it all is disgusting back. They came started literally is on drama, lower, and waged, this entire war for a week, only to then say, little Totti's cancelled. I'm canceling the James Charles canceling layup. That's where we're at right now where it's like you're canceled, but then we're uncannily, and now we're backing out everyone regrets it, but no one's going to buy these tea accounts too. I think it's also why why we're talking about too, is that they have gained hundreds of thousands of subscribers over the last two weeks. So, like, when you think about the state of like who's producing and doing what and like YouTube media, you have now a bunch of new accounts that have a lot of clout that are all about talking about this t- with James and Jeffrey anti, so, like they want dislike reputable, they wanted to, and they're already doing that. Now there's a Tricia patriots like expose like an I'm like I was going to say, I think that's all you wanna get into thing to book end our episode with Macs tissue pages. Not necessarily, what's going on with her. But just this really interesting quote from Kim salaries as I'm green lighting a cancellation of Tricia patriots. Instead, wait till you hear this story after fans were like we need new drama. Like what's the new T, right? Because they were just given this week long epic that involved like fifteen different YouTube channels twelve different stories thirty seven different casts and characters and now it's over. And everyone involved is like we did a wounded to be like this. So now all these Instagram accounts that are dedicated to unearthing drama need to create new drama, Melissa cycle continues. The snake continues eating its own tail, you know what I realized all of this as what trimmer videos, and like thinking of the context of what we talked about YouTube, and like how the montage Asian works how this scrubber council work highlight who gets promoted who doesn't in like top YouTube like how they're actually also they said no videos about to me that the Google plex or something like that to, like, do a mediating mediating ceremony between someone that is like their business because I guess, James in Taunton. Represent by the same business. We have state of YouTube now where everyone is talking about how you're either at the top, or you're making nothing and for th- tot to, to do this cut, Jim chose three million followers herself getting than three-million more. She was at ten thirteen. He was at sixteen now. He's at thirteen. To like do that in, like literally within a week is. I feel like on my radio like get into too much. But I see that other people if they know. Oh, I can expose this person and get all these followers and take them not the same time. I don't. I don't see why people aren't gonna do that, when they're so desperate to keep what they have, and also YouTube as fuck these people over lessons. And I think they're angry. And I think that's what I'm thinking about all this all the time like it's business. I will actually say so you gave this really fantastic Taty James timeline from Cosmo. But I was looking over this. And can I pre contextualized this time line a little bit because they know a little bit? But I have some takes that. I think I've been ruminating on finally ready to share because that's kind of what our whole episode is about is recontest releasing this whole timeline of drama in general. So as you all know, just a very brief timeline, April twenty second James is at Coachella promoting sugar bear hair. Later that day Taty posts are Instagram's stories. And then post a second teary eyed Instagram story, ran talking about feeling used and betrayed may fourth of you weeks past Taty is pretty silent until Gabriel's immoral post view to video titled makeup and opinions where he challenges Taty to publicly clarify, the situation between her and James because everyone had figured it out, may tenth. She uploads by sister. We talked about that. She goes on and on and on about a lot of different things, there's that crazy quote. You know, it's really disgusting to manipulate someone's sexuality you are using your fame, your power your money to play with people's emotions. You're threatening to ruin them, you're threatening to embarrass them even if they're straight. And now what that's not. Okay, so James, Anna posts response to Taty. It's an eight minute long video. He apologizes to her husband, he restates that the Coachella theory is true. He says that he isn't going to put up a fight or show receipts. He goes on. It's not really important anymore. He also just as the boy situations. Saying I've been involved a lot in a very unique in strange situations that he'll have people confused or upset. And I've learned the hard way about ways that I can interact with boys. So the same day within very few like timespan Zara Larsson jumps in post the clips of Totti's video in a now deleted tweet. And writes, I'm cackling, because he hit my boyfriend's up, then may twelfth Jeffries star jumps in who is again, another former friend and business partner of James. They had a merch website that was going up that they had both collaborated on. It was people from Jeffries team, or at least people who collaborate with Jeffrey going out, like, you know, basically branching out and making stuff for James. He talks a lot about why you are you a predator. You're a danger to society, he attacks. Jeffrey, James's brother, who had tweeted, why does everyone acts so tough? And then later clarifies, it had nothing to do with anything, but his own personal life also intuition to calling James a predator. Jeffrey says that James is a danger to. Society like I said and said that his boyfriend Nathan has banned James from the house Taty hops on Twitter on the twelfth to say that there's no new videos on her channel because she is still heavy in the heart, quote, I feel like I need to remind you that we can hold truth and inspire change without grabbing onto hate on your blessings. Don't abuse them. Celebrating pain will only bring it to your door. Love you guys. See you soon. May thirteenth Nikita Dragoon who is another beauty blogger posted screen shots over texts with James about sugar bear hair. There's these, I messages that we read, we don't need to get into them. People start speculating about the timelines. I am reading this so fast by Russia. I really like keep going. Well, I studied this at work, so I could do this. So then even though she was trying to bolster his story. The text actually disprove is glam that sugar bear Harrington jumped to him the techs make it looked like he made the contract. I so then Nikita addresses the situation two days later, a day later on the fourteenth says that she only edits her waist on face tuned. She doesn't edit screen tant, screen time, recordings or FaceTime, recordings excuse me, or Timestamps. You really think I have the time to fake text the only thing I it is my waist on face toonces. They have screen recordings of the messages, blah, blah, blah. So the fifteenth the next day James is seen in public for the first time since he posted his apology because he was travelling, he was in SF, and then was in Australia. So then Totti posts, a second video on the sixteenth, so a full, let me get the exact date on from the white ended it with me. Sixteenth. Yes. So from the tenth to the sixteenth there to videos from Taty this one is called. Wyatt. Did it? She explains why she decided to post a forty three minute video named by sister on the tenth because she wanted to quote reach out to someone who she found completely unreachable, quote, it was a last ditch effort for me to be really out loud and vocal in wake someone up that I really love. So then two days later, James uploads a follow up to his original apology. No more lies. It is forty two minutes. He addresses every claim that Taty Jeffrey star made about him pulls out so many receipts that even Whitney Houston. Quote would be shook. I hate that quote, using a plethora of screen shots James shows that he was telling the truth about the sugar bear, harass situation. He says that Jay Taty encouraged James to hook up with Sam the waiter from Seattle and said that Sam repeatedly told James he was by sexual that not he was bike areas or questioning that he was explicitly by sex. Tual. He also repeatedly shows text messages that in his eyes prove that Sam was one hundred percent consenting to every situation that transpired between him and James and paints him as just someone who was questioning and is now using their small bit of viral fame to latch onto someone much more famous quote unquote to cloud. Chase James repeatedly stresses throughout the video that it has been very hard to date as a famous youtuber, because this happens to him constantly where he gets with these quote, straight men, and then these straight men go onto upload videos about him or spill all of his sex drama or relationship drama on the internet. He also correlates it to Geoffrey stars videos, were Jeffrey star made a whole video about just solely being attracted to straight men and what it is like to be fem quote, presenting in the public and says, why is it okay for Jeffrey to be this way? But I cannot be this way, Jeffries, also older than me. I'm nineteen I'm new. I'm learning right? So he's basically saying Todd, you're a little bit one-sided in your critiques of me. Because everything you've criticized him before Jeffrey star has also been accused of multiple times. So then he tries to shut down every single conversation and in a direct response to this video Jeffrey star, then goes on Snapchat rant and threatens to show his receipts. Taty also addresses the video new tweet. I've left town on a digital break to heal and in praying for all sides. My family has made me aware of what was just posted. And I'm disappointed to see it littered with so many lies in half truths, I stand by my video do not twist, my words into what they are not hear the message. So this is something that actually transpires live, because apparently Jeff James was trying to record his video over a two day period, but Taty uploaded her video, and then before he posted his Jeffrey also uploaded, like a bunch of snapshots. And so he had to stop the recording halfway through and. Then from the future insert clips like Taty also said this. So now I'm going to say this because he recorded an apology and response before Taty posted her why I did it. And so it's this weird crazy video where it's like him a full face a makeup and then him like a stencil day later. Yeah. Cutting between both and this is what's so crazy about YouTube is the medium of YouTube tries to repeatedly stress to you that it is offensive that it is true that this is off the cuff and natural. But we really don't know how overly produced an edited. We don't know who was behind the camera. We don't know who's editing this. We don't know who is out in the streets telling him what to say. We don't know of lawyers are involved, and I also have to say, talk to your husband is a former entertainment executive, so he's not new to the whole press cycle. He knows what's up and you can tell in her video the way she like crafts, the apology. It is a. A very Hollywood response. Right. Like it is listen, say, seal satiated with personal callouts and calls to action that are meant to pivot the conversation. That is a classic Hollywood move. How can we get them talking about something other than the thing they're talking about now? You know, you know, she knows because there are full cuts from her talking to her breathing heavily. And thinking of say, and then cutting again to then her continuing to talk. So what's really crazy? And this Cozma article dozen get into it. But, but tween this time before the nineteenth when Jeffrey uploads his own video responding to everything he releases a tweet storm. He basically accuses James Charles of being a rapist, he accuses James Charles of molesting multiple people. He accuses James Charles of taking advantage of people of being a full liar, predator rapist. Right. And then. Then backtracks. So he posts his video, and he says, he's not going to expose receipts because he's done a total. One eighty from the day before he goes over and over again. I've been in a really dark place. It took me back. I shouldn't have jumped in. I'm very sorry. And then there's this quote, he keeps doing which I will insert here. I'm not talking about this anymore. I am done. I don't wanna be involved. I'm done. This is done. I didn't want this to happen. It's over. So I am not going to play the games that I started to play. I'm not talking about the city more I am good. And I'm done getting caught up. I am done because that's not me. So he keeps stressing. I'm done. I'm done. I'm over it. I'm done the amount times. And I think that, that is like really key to the story. Because if you remember Taty and Jeffrey jumped in the ring, I. And they were also the first people to say, I'm in a good place. Now I'm done. I'm over this. Like I didn't want it to be this way, but it is. But it's done now I'm not going to be this person anymore but without really taking much credit for what it was that they started. Jeffrey repeatedly says he doesn't want to revert to his old self he admits that he sent brutal tweets and was vicious, but he quote, I am not going to feel this fire bigger so that everyone can get more entertainment because behind the scenes this isn't funny. This is a real lives. I inserted myself into something publicly that I shouldn't have show. So tweets a message to her fans and claims that this is the last time she is going to speak about the situation publicly Lawson. Do you wanna pull that up for me while I finish this out? So then James tweets, thank you. Jeffrey, starring glam. Love guru for your sentiments. I am on board to move on will not speak about this further, but do hope to speak in the future. When we're already this week was awful for all of us. And I asked that the community focuses on positivity and moving forward to have taught tweet. So ours press release format. She has the only option is a broken heart emoji. I have been communication, with James, Charles enter mediary for the last week, and we believe that it is in the best interest of our community, our viewers, and our own mental health to put this matter to arrest. Intermediary, meaning their business partners. And yes, they're Representative at makes a lot of money from them. Listen for that reason I will not be making any further public comments. I hope and pray that no one else will make anymore hurtful statements on my behalf. In my original video at felt the need to publicly break up of James with a warning call loud enough for him to hear. I was attempting to explain my upset and concerned so that everyone would understand my position and speculation that it was all over vitamins. Sorry, my favorite quote still is this much typified. Almost red wine for this entire surface. Is that the rest of it? Much more over the last eight years, I built my crew based on honesty integrity, and trying my best to do with what I thought was right. The toxins and chaos. That ensued over the last ten days with absolutely not my goal as it was a fight that I would almost certainly lose, although I do not regret raising my concerns. I completely regret the way I went about saying them I could have and should have found a better way. Even in this moment, still have so many things like to clear up. However, the continue call for receipts is nothing more than a call for never ending bloodshed. As such unsettling aside, my overwhelming need to be understood and will continue my conversation with everyone in private. I hope that our community is somehow strengthened from all of this, and that we will all strive on moulder cells in each to a higher standard to my audience. I need you to know that I am blessed to have your support and love making videos for you guys. I'm truly sorry for all the hate this brought done. I love you and look for returning to my regular contents. A minute, but we music under that because I truly just died so that is that it was a crazy ride to recap before we get into anything else. I want to say stay tuned after the break because we are going to get the fuck into this. That was just our recap. We had to like go through Williams. Williams's it involves knowing the beginning, middle end points me between Los and I decided that, like, unless we recap everything we've really will not be able to have like a functional conversation because we will be trying to skip between receipts our opinions and the timelines it, we just had to get it other way. But I need to, like, really fart. So I'm going to step out. Would you mind taking a break, I would love if you stepped right out to thank you. Let's take a break. Okay. So I do wanna bring up Maria Sherman icon icon at the bell for her, like cliff notes from James is video, because he no more lives spaghetti. Oh, there's some really like interesting quotes, in context here that we wanna really dive into when we break this down like where we're going to begin so. Inner cliff notes. She meant sins that Charles things Taty and Jeffrey star who's become involved in the drama for meeting for their faults and declares at his video will be the last time he addresses the beef. It's important aspect. He did say, like I respect them for like, you know, choose an end this in medium private. And like cutting it all out Jeffrey Toledo's tweets, you know, he at least respects that he says that he worked with sugar bear hair for a last-minute necessary security at Coachella, as he told Taty an attempt to get in touch with her and her husband to apologize. They were unresponsive. He also positives himself from running her halo beauty products in the past, which she said, she he'd never done before. Yeah. So I mean that whole thing about the Coachella thing you know, he went one week one to another week this, it's crazy. How this involves the kind of, like, boy John talked about before about the guy that he was with any holder harnessed at Coachella. And he wanted to do it again without him being there. That's what he said in the video. I remember was like I just wanna go. Boy, free. Yeah. Like boy, free Coachella. Listen and he kind of. That there is a difference in artist passes and V I passes, or is the difference. So the capitalism here is super present, and I will get into this in a second because remember the specter of the corporations involved in this are fully present at all times, but he mentions that to get an artist pass it is different and limited, it's Ganz. You, you don't pay for. Yes. That's one VIP passes are paid for. And he says that he went and he was using laws test last time. Yes, he was getting mobbed, and he was, it's unsafe. And so I needed a VIP pass last minute. And it's really strange to me that you as an influence or can just be like I'm an influencer company. Give me in VIP pass to this event that caused followers and thousands of dollars dollar amount to every single view end brand will be like, yeah, here's your contract post this, right? Here's you pass walk on in. That's why old. And if you. Need any more proof that Coachella is fully a corporate shell like this? Is it like go to Coachella so that you can see Jamila Djamil of idea, Cam miracle excise, positively with American Express while James Charles does his makeup in the revolve, X Speedco vodka booth in the VIP artists loans? Like honestly wild too much. She even go to listen to music now. Or do they just go to see Charlie x performing, the backyard of a pump springs hotel room? Like I would go to that. Mile. I don't know. Yeah. Sugar bear hair promotes. They're like latest collaboration with base dot net. Harley do not buy sugar haircare. They by poppers member. She just recently. She I should make poppers God. So too much else. Does Marie Firmin cover here because I want to make sure we get through it all. So he went dip he went into the situation with rest book that they brought up, which was that he was inappropriate with a straight mill waiter named Sam in Seattle, Sam debris, embryo, explained that he was bike areas and their interactions were consensual that evening but added that after weeks to communication, he'll told Charles he was actually straight with James pushback on he discussed the aftermath of the waiter situation how he has been put on blast. And in many cases, become the victim of fake stories about him being inappropriate with straight men and has been forced to navigate newly difficult terrain in the week of Westbrook's video. So there's that whole thing about zero Larsen, you know, tacking Jim Charles, bring her boyfriend, which all he really did was. Reach out to him when he was straight, and drop all communication. There's a lot of things that we talked about in Los upset about how the interactions are James. Maybe just being like flirty but the people shut it down. That's done who's not much more than that. We haven't seen that much evidence. I also love that, like he does call outs are Larsen rightfully for fo- finding a friend by quote tweeting like his dick print and being like how do you like your eggs scrambled in the morning daddy? And then he why is it? Okay for you to do that. But for me to go no publicly privately and then stopped communication with him, when he says, he's straight like, Hello. And that's actually something that I do wanna mention to James, Charles credit repeatedly and all of the store, not to his credit, but to illustrate a point that I will make with my general response to both videos he kind of does bring up a lot. And if you watch the expose videos from these men, they all repeatedly say that, like once they told him he was straight. He backed off and left them. Mm alone, and either they engaged him and said he, they were by sexual, oh, your sending self we're like I'm not straight. I mean, I'm straight and he would leave them alone. Like that seems to be an listen and roll consensus, he million followers and someone has just hangs out with him for weakened and gets low cloud from that. You know, there's a lot there we did discuss that it was clearly cloud chasing, at Coachella, like, listen, also Sam whatever the guy from sale at me. The video like I mean, I'll give James low credit, maybe it was like the PR aspect, but he did post a lot of the video that was like very unflattering James. I'm talking about who he was like terrible to make. With to pretend to be gave for place, so that James, Charles pays attention to you. It is a little bit weird to turn around and say James, Charles paid attention to me, like I will just say that I got that impression from a lot of these videos, and you know, what everyone sexuality is fluid a lot of people can feel like they're gay or feel turned on by James Charles, but not be gay in their mind or the way that they move through the world, and that's a conversation, we're going to have. But like I do want to continually stress that we fully stand by our opinion that Taty incited a hate mob against game real themes. Press real, thin it does happen. Is that people will hit on others that they think are gear straight? They don't know what the yeah. They don't know even dishes attractive. Yeah. Should we have a full conversation about flirting with people in public who or does flirt with then, yes, I do fully thing guess, quote tweeting, some random picture and being like, yes, daddy. I wanna lick your ball sack as sexual harassment even if you're not like in person, and telling it all so she has clout. So it would you say that someone on the street, would you say that someone on the street something about the internet? Just like really erodes people's sense of boundaries. And I don't think James Charles understands boundaries fully I was very clear in his she can definitely do that. Lots of people to all the time online and it's like no big deal. But there are people who when it is someone who is gay going after straight person immediately, assumed that it is predatory behavior which again feeds him sister, Debbie mail fully was running stories about gay men attacking straight men and quote, tweeden and BuzzFeed news was doing roundups of it like, here's all the game who've come out here, though. Straight men who've come out against predator James. Charles Daily Mail New York Post star globe. I mean I could go on and in the video with James, I do have to bring up like I'm not saying this is an ex could be an excuse. If you really did these things or if it was much worse than we have seen than it is right now. But James said, I'm Lynn nineteen year old virgin, who has gotten really Popper in the last for years, online and have a complete different life. Like I will have to give that I mean he's, he's nineteen are you kidding me like knew amount? And then having sixty million followers at nineteen and clean. I'd be a virgin or end is like trying to flirt with these guys and people start flirting with him and all this stuff happening. Like, yeah, I don't he's not a when when Jeffrey's like danger to society, like you need to be put in jail, a, my, this is genuine, really. No. But I'm so happy that like I mean just as like a general like listen, I tell you this all the time like being trans, but the. I don't wanna say like the the way that I entered translates. But, like I was consistently uttered, my whole life began on, even when I was, like, I don't wanna say, perceived as a man, because at least in my general environment, because I come from a small town. I was never seen as a man. Like I was always very clearly other I had long hair or people like other me because I was hanging out with different groups of people that all the time. And so I kind of moved through the cracks of like a lot of like dating rituals for straight people in modern America where like, you know, you get socialized into romance in a way, and James touches on that in his video, and we'll talk about this a little bit more. But like I do want to say that it was really interesting that we are seeing this play out on a national stage when like any trans woman, you know, literally could tell you like fifteen different experiences. Or some guy hits us up under the pretext of I'm not gay, but you're tractive and it's like, well, I'm not a man, but I do think the kind of men that hit us up also people like James Charles up, and I don't think we're ready in the national conversation have that option. But. So it was always happening to me, and so I really did. I don't wanna think related to him, but I did feel compassion for people who experience that right now in the society, we live in right now, because I did that pre social media. I mean, I'm what he's nineteen I'm like five, six years older than James Charles. But like I went through high school pre Instagram pre Twitter being as big as it is right now, it was really only tumbler. And so most of that was like relatively anonymous. Now, if I was a nice school, and I did out, these guys would be on Instagram, live like calling each other out. I would be messy. I would be on snap shut. I would be posting receipts. And like that must fuck up your perception of its turf unsocial religion. You imagine coming all the time like that, like, socially on. It's like you never leave high school. I never leave the cafeteria I got to process being chased by men who didn't want to publicly, admit their. I love affection, or sexual desire for me in complete private even as someone who avidly used the internet. Right. Like I was the most online teenager and it still relatively anonymous now. That's an impossibility. Right. So much this happens over Twitter. I mean I teach high school while used to now and even people who are in the same class won't even communicate first in class, though, communicate over Twitter DM's. Right. So that like instantly solidifies your communication, with these people understanding like sexual boundaries already hung like has a prof- Lilia profile either Twitter profile, you can look at their history. You can look like what they're doing with beginning about, oh, completely different with this person. Like, let's look at what who who they liked co defies the entire social experience. So that's like, what I do want to enter our notes into because I want to start off with saying that, like, now we're just going to get into our general reaction because we got him prefaces. I will say this. Let's. Let's rate each video how about that, right? Leg legis rate, each video are general impression, and then we can just go like bullet by bullet inbound is off. I generally think that James Charles's video was the most genuine, I think, James Charles is fully in idiot and fully a nineteen year old, and I don't think he was necessarily truthful, and I don't think he was necessarily right about everything. But I think his in his brain was a completely genuine experience and a genuine reckoning with what happened and listen, we do have to admit that this person was like, I felt suicidal through the experience and I'm not going to get into the politics of, like pulling out your mental health, as a deflection or defense. Like that's not what we're here to do. But I do want. It knows that context. I think that the things that he discussed and the way he approached it was very much. I am reckoning with this, and this is truly where I'm at Joan. I watch. Totti's video. However, this was a performance. This was a performance by a person who I truly feel like and if she listens to this, I do not care Taty. I genuinely feel this for you. There is something so deeply troubled inside of her repeatedly came back to that, in my brain watching her video like this person has a damage inside of her. That is showing in the way she responded to it's too dark. It's too deep. It's too unnecessary in a sense, like she slit to relieve did not have to do this in any sense. She her justification to us her thesis, is that the only way I could make James Charles change was to make an expose video where I cry about what he's been doing to me and claim an accused him of sexually abusing and chasing straight men. Okay. Let's start there because I think that's exactly what she said. She said, I'm doing this because he only way to make him stop being a criminal and a terrible person is to expose him on the. Internet for millions, and millions and millions. Okay. Let's see that. Okay. Let's start there because that video is so right for deconstruction. So, and this is the beginning, it started here at, like, there was some are some Instagram stories but she was like, here's a forty minute video with everything that starts. So like the topic that I had to do this this way. One it is that para social mindset that everything is all out in the open all the time. Everyone is connected. It's like the way she repeatedly stresses in her video, this is my community. The family of beauty gurus note, says you're in an industry in the fact that you repeatedly assert that these people are your family, and you'll figure in small community town meeting like girls, hanging out at the house like these people, making tens of hundreds of thousands of million hanging out together at Google functions. With your representatives, and people like, writing you Justice system, the fire, you, she immediately posits the fact that her industry, her multi billion dollar industry. Is a family and a community and that she just wants to spread love shows me that the way she has processed her rapid rise to fame and wealth accumulation has broken something of her understanding of the world around our and I wanted or to lie and act like that's what it is. When you know, it isn't, I will pinpoint note seat, Lawson this, I think I think Tati genuinely thing said, this is a community in a family because let's been point this hasn't comes to industry show. No, no. Not should bus lesson. I know I I'm sitting here, I'll I just want to sit here alone and play with my makeup. Let's is there that, that show me. Okay. No, no, that's what I'm saying. It's this weird infantilism mission for someone who is fully in their thirties, and has been rich for a while now and has been in this industry as a makeup person for a while now to be, like, I don't want to do any of our just wanted to steer and boy, we've much makeup. It's true. Victim creepy and infantilized. And I noticed that in her first video to there's another thing I was like, we have said this on the podcast before that there's that whole theory of the age you become famous as the age you stop growing like to get up theory to a lot of people. I'm not going to get into the social veracity of that. Or if that's even true or not. But I do think that she's. Seems genuinely stunted by her wealth in her fame. Like I think that she is stuck thinking that she is this, nobody on the internet, who just sits alone in a room and plays makeup interactions. Don't mean anything outside of herself. I think she thinks that may be she has them. One of those successful hobbies you can have. Yes. But no says urine into titan at this point like you make people a lot of money you're meeting at the Google headquarters. Like, do you understand that like Google Google, Google like you're meeting at alpha bet? Like let's actually say it for what it is, you're not some small time blogger. You're not a hobbyist you are an industry. Your brand is an industry. You are a part of a multi-billion dollar corporation. That is currently a kingpin of the internet consumes and create most of the content, we consume in create. Is any Hollywood celebrity goes to meet with their agent or goes to meet with the heads of the production company like MGM, like it's the same thing. This is like Meryl Streep saying. I just still see myself like that little girl performing at the community theatre. No Merrill's deep cheap, you've been nominated for the most Oscars like Hoti, like even if you're not the most followed you're one of the most well known you have your own brand, you are associated with some of the biggest YouTubers she has her own his own Br like she has Hilla, beauty. It's not even just like her name is the brand. Is she really owned? They like make. So I will also say because I wanted to start with Totti's. So can we talk about the fact that she said that she thinks James Charles, is, quote, more powerful than her. And she was afraid of him. She might be right in a sense, but only by the numbers, like by the numbers of YouTube. He's more powerful, but you're a thirty six. Something you're old fucking adult. You met this person when they were a fucking teenager. Connections to the Hollywood industry. Listen, you cannot say, I am their mother, I stood in as their mother. I took care of them the mentor their mentor. Mentioned enshrined him, and I was like his boss slash like yet. Like I don't even know this isn't Star Wars. Angels owners, you're not, we'll be one kanobi like this isn't anikin Skywalker becoming fucking Darth Vader, this Lou does fuel like some type of soap opera or like uneven Illich space opera moment, where it's like it's just like it's you don't own the person. It's not like some fantasy Bank where the magician raises up the night who then be goes the dark lower back. Lou you, you have more power in the sense that your husband is a former entertainment executive in the entertainment industry. Okay. If that is actual power shabby Tual spends, the first, like ten fifteen minutes of video bragging about how he's like making the deals starting companies worship the people that did see a like right in the beginning like all this stuff like talking about it like then. Jayme Harold just is now Khalid's nineteen little boy was just like down on his. Doug had was making ninety dollars a video making what she say like twenty five hundred dollars a video, or like three thousand right after several with me, she was like it really does feel like the Hollywood exacts nil I put her in a movie. So, like, why, why should she complain about her working conditions would it feels like the last thing, I'll say about Taty specifically before circling back is like, did you notice the Freudian slip where she's referring to this speculative situation where she just wishes he'd reached out to her and been, like, hey, mom, like I'm so sorry, like, and then she backtracks and says, well, you know, like Taty, right? Like she refers to herself in the third person as mom and the refers herself as Taty, and I'm not going to make any judgment calls about a woman who doesn't have any children. But for a woman who doesn't have any children, and you are taking on this seventeen year old because I reckon binding and, you know, I'm lonely in the industry, and I didn't want to see him he sought to her wedding makeup in that was she. Okay. You know what I hate though, is that she has to promote constantly that, of course, he laid betrayed or hurt her, but she's using like I was a good person, and look how much he abused because of how good I was like I get the argument sense, like you help in wanna make someone do something. Good. And they hurt you. You're gonna feel bad about it. I don't like I'm not making a value judgment on Taty doesn't have children. I am saying she doesn't have children, but I. In the sense of IM his mom. Yeah. And then backtracks like you could see her slipping and saying, mom, and she just family like oaken her wedding like but lesson does what I'm saying. That's what so dark about this story, Taty is, she really sees this person as a mom figure, I mean, Caesar solve as a month figure, but her mumber mama journos is putting him in her YouTube videos, getting him brand deals, and making him a multimillionaire, like that's a horizon, this relationship job. That's a business really ship. It's not a percent. That's what I'm saying. She seems so broken is she sees this business relationship as a mother real relationship? And then she goes in her first video, I'm passing the wand back to you James is mom, like, I'm, I'm done, raising your son like you should raise them. You didn't raise him. You put him in an industry that makes millions of dollars for you. And now him Taty. Like enlist your mom, she also brings up constantly now. He's like a millionaire and like I did that for him. And like I just thought he was more like you know, why would he knew Televisa a millionaire, and like, why would I why should he be doing these things as brand deals because he's like a million acting like you know, he has everything he has. So why can't he do exactly what I wish? And also the last thing I'll say about Taty for now and then you can take it over is. If you wanna really be his mom Taty, then you get to be accused of what some parents in the world get accused of you raised this person, you created this person if you wanna be his mom. And so she claims you lay the whole I created his career than you created the monster you claim he is the fact that you invent all responsibility and saying, I'm just in such a place and I'm done like this is like I didn't want any of this to happen. And this is okay. This lousy. I am so sorry. Lawson on a roll right now. She fucking. Says over and over again, I didn't think this was going to happen. You know, my heart may man who berm you have been involved in publicly, calling out people on YouTube, you make your money on YouTube. The fact that you thought making a video viewed by millions of people that was inflammatories, turn calling him a predator, bringing out criminal of fences and knowing that your platform hoses, Kim star drama alert, t spill all these originally working with them, literally dedicated to documenting your every single move and checking it for any with of drama, your husband is an entertainment executive. You want to pretend like you don't know what really happens when you make a video like this. Like, that's what's so disingenuous about can every Shane cuss words like her. Breathing. Looking at it, and there's three quarter angle of the video is the most durang team wins. She's like I can't believe saying this, like I can't believe I'm doing this, or what's the when she says, like, I don't know if I can do this, like, you know, dabbing cleaning up her makeup. And you know what I like? It's all left in purpose James, Charles recently make racist jokes. Absolutely is Ye still a person. I will never consume in my life. And think you should also never consume in your life. Absolutely do. I think that people have the potential for growth. Absolutely. But am I justifying James roles as actions? No. Do I think that he completely lacks any and all sense of boundaries one hundred percent and do I think YouTube at nineteen fully rods your brain ABSA fucking Lutely? So I just want to clarify my statements like if it sounds like I was going easy on James Charles note, remember, there's a thirty year old multiple thirty year olds, involve Gazeta. Previous actors, let's talk about that video with more like Jim shells. Video took a ton of receipts. I mean so like in his New Orleans video. Here's the thing. Like he spends again, forty minutes all these are. So he spends forty minutes compared to Taty Jeffrey, actually just talking about, I would say most civilian eighty percents video actually about what she claimed which was really nice to see and just like logical sense because what it couldn't stand about Taty is that she makes all these claims, the predatory behavior the lakes scamming for this lacks out and then backs out and we also have Geoffrey star saying everything taught us one hundred percent support. I have the receipts claiming that he's abuse way more people than this all of that. And then James is like, okay, so what happened here? Well, what happened to your is, and then tells a full story that I can follow at least if it's bullshit, you know, it's really well done. I don't care about that really. I don't need the receipts to really believe any of those key. Fully has lawyer. And oppress team and orders telling him. This this this entire week. He keeps you know, obviously the parts of the I kept crying side to keep redoing, it, you know, I get that, that's left in there for a reason, I, I know that I mean, the first thing that he did was like ten minutes from crying. So like we're only on that level of intimacy and him going to like fully talk about the pain, and the suffering just videos, where it's like not even talking about actually happens talking about how he feels. But I like that. He didn't do that for a lot of it, James. You know. Did show these receipts. And it was and the thing is it's touchy barely showed any receipts. You know, in a sense, any screen shots Jeffrey star said he had a bunch, but didn't show anything but Jim show spent like an entire video showing chronological order, like time stands all of that. I don't like getting into all of this nonsense and being like, you know, oh my God. He laid to that we stand like, well, I don't like the only thing yeah. They bring up is like t- receipts. The whole construct of it is a black hole. Right. Like you could just it goes on for circle is drained. And I did make this note, I'll just say like. I do think it's this endless receipts cycle is really telling of where we are in the national discourse with just how we engage with scandal and controversy. Drama is truth rather than a focus on having a productive conversation where both sides, Duke it out in public. And I just hate this concept of t that has been co opted by capitalists to make money because it's a black hole. Like this is not a productive way to carry this out. And if anything it really shows that Taty has fully been rotted in the brain thinking that pulling out receipts on a YouTube video is productive helpful or going to progress this any further know exactly. And the James to is that in his video he does give like certain support to them and does not try to say that they are like, necessarily evil people that cannot be trusted that, but he does kind of allude to obvious the fact that like. Constructed out of this, like hate ridiculous stereotypes. And what have you. And of course, things Jeffrey star specifically, like his brother like Jeffrey star really did show from what James showed and makes a lot of sense because Geoffrey to all these crazy accusations, deleted, everything and said in his own video, like I'm done on none of it, like I should injected myself, like, whatever, what have you doesn't even discuss that? If it was true or not anything he said, if he's going to stand by even though he did say, I stand by everything talk to you said, so, like, but anyway, James in his video shows, all these text messages Jeffrey sent him that are like full-text eyelid blue saying, like full paragraphs sentences of all these things like you, you know, like push yourself on my partner like my boyfriend you tried to, like molest him or something like that in my own home. And that's why you're band. And then there's also things about how the Dolan twins or whatever that, like those vying stars that one of them was, you know, he one of them was abused by James. And then he when the Dylan twins even came out. So that was not all that did not happen. And there's so much more with Jefferson, Texas. All these long things have hate about all these terrible things as done, how he's should be put in prison. And he's is careers over and all this stuff. And I was just like I really, I don't want to say that James is, like when that should be like, oh my God. We stand. He's so much better than he's grown so much. But I'm not gonna lie like what he didn't video was, I was fairly adult innocence. And he admits that he has been acting terribly badly reckless and has been inaugurated has could have avoided the situation if he didn't act the way he did. Yeah. I will give him that because Taty apologizes for like nothing if it's apology it's one of those fake ones of, like I'm sorry. I like was a good person, you know, that kind of thing. Yeah. I will say, did I expect James Charles to fully be like my ego has become out of control. And I have completely lost focus as a human being with a rational perspective of the world. Yes. Like that was really where I was like that is crazy. To admit that like that. I don't think I ever seen any waiting constantly for like some type of red flag, and I did not get I was very aware like what is he going to say that's gonna like be just like what they're doing or spin this, and I actually couldn't find it, and it was actually hard, we'll say, James, Charles apology. I missed. I missed having produced Hollywood apology. Like I missed it. I thought that it was exactly what we needed in this to wrap out that era, because, like, Totti's video is unhinged right? Like it is scattered over the place. And it's really cutting. Of the people behind both of them, because James Charles mix a lot more money than Taty and thought more followers. So the people invested in games, Charles are much more interested in maintaining that profit flow. Taty might not have that or she might just not have those people almost double the amount she doubled down on the earnestness, and the quote integrity angle, and my only sin was being a good person. James does the I was a bad person. And I will admit that, but in being bad, there's other people around me who are also acting, bad and taught you refuses to admit any culpability, but do you have any other like, really pressing doubts about the Charles video, because both save Jeffrey star for the next. Okay. I was gonna say, anything can say about the James Charles video is. I will only really I think solidify, especially in this Taty as well, Geoffrey. I've do not give a fuck about. But with at least touching Jeffrey, if they actually do not ever talk about this again, on YouTube, unless it's like years later than, you know. For what was it all for an I'll say that it's going to be a time. We'll tell situation I if who knows what will happen next but would like it to be good before we take a break. Let's, let's just call out the corporations because what I found. So interesting about this lesson is like the specter of sugar bear hair over this entire thing like, okay, listen sugar hair, has at least enough money to send multiple people to Coachella multiple days, multiple, expensive tickets and give them housing at the same time. Hey, a lot of money for posts. Right. So can we assume that at least since getting roped into this conflict sugar bear hair? Would have stepped in at some point. Are we safe to -ssume that I think so? I think so. I think and also that here. I'm sure is continue to in general through corporate types. Ninety two Google sugar behavior. What's really interesting is like they didn't issue any like a fish shoal word like I'm looking at their YouTube, and it's been business as usual. Like fully pink and blue like, you know, girls are usually bit. So nothing has changed for sugar. Bear hair. Right. Because like we said, no presses bad press. And I would think that, you know, at least if you were getting roped into this, you'd want to at least step in and be like this is what we did for James Charles but they haven't done that. So what does that tell you loss in the fact that they've stayed silent? I mean, say Hissen it fail tells me that they want this to keep going forever. Absolutely misinformation. They could really couldn't say exactly what happened on their end. Because guess what? This is great for them because we heard the word. Bear haircare YouTube, and Jeffrey star says this in his video, and it's actually really interesting. How tone deaf? He is that YouTube runs on controversy and a lot of people think that controversy makes you famous enrich on YouTube, which does Jeffrey star. That's how you got famous and rich. Sugar bear Jake Paul sugar hair stays fully science silent through this whole thing because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. If James Charles was called out. It doesn't matter if Taty Westbrook called anyone out sugar hair gets to get brought up repeatedly over and over again. And then if y'all acoustic sugar bear hair. Just Google it right now. Lawson go Mars journey with me. Let's go to news. In the last week and a half. Due sugar bear hair, vitamins really work. Here's what our nutritionist says. No, you're buying of video real reason he posted content for sugar haircare. Here's what's up with those sugar bear hair vitamins that are ripping the internet apart. Here's the truth about sugar bear hair, vitamins, stuff like that. Right. So now they're getting press for free. I didn't eight nine dollars vitamins, but here we are. Yeah, they didn't have to pay for any of this. So, of course, they're gonna say silent. That's what I'm saying about the corporations and the specter of the corporations casting very long shadows over this story. These people benefit from this. The only thing that doesn't benefit is if the public turns against the people. So I will say this has preface indigent Jeffrey star before we transitions out of this and goes to break, and with Taty you can tell fully their managers were like Taty. It's not. Looking great your video. We got a double down. We gotta make it seem more earnest. We need more crying, because the public thinks that you're being Aligarh today are going to lose the sheen of up, anticipate with the brands that you represent halo beauty. We can't have this, tarnished, halo beauty and you only get obviously taught he's not sponsored by sugar. But she is her own person, halo beauty. And she's like guys like we can't have halo beauty associated with this is a bad press on us like sugar behaviors like bumping now, so we need to pivot, you need to just focus on, like making sugar bear hair. This thing anon- entity you just wanted to build a company, you just want to James to support. You female business owners like small business like indie business like bit. Right. Jeffrey star his brand. Jeffrey, not looking great, people are turning on you. We need to hit our marks this month. If you have your audience, turn and see you, as disingenuous, they're going to see your products as disingenuous so we need you to back out now we need you to find. Own loses. So to do just like that, let's pivot to fucking Jeffrey star. But before that. Why don't you do the honors of what saying, we'll take a break. I mean, let's take a break. One. Honestly, I feel like I've never known so much about absolutely nothing. Like. Insane. How much about nothing? That's like it's only been a few weeks like. It's wild Jefferson video. Yeah. I mean listen, I, I, I will you and I both watched at least canonical, all the main videos like not the option silly all of those. But we watched all of Jane, literally biggest who declared who weekly Gabriel Zamora like I'm not going to indulge it. Sorry. No, no, no, no. Like, indulge it. When you refuting, which every star last time I'm not going to indulge it now. Okay. You're like time, Gabriel's Zamora thing, you're never going to be a thing, Gabriel's Amora, so Jeffords. Video thing. God was only like sixteen minutes long at the most I think it was under twenty minutes like honestly, thank God. I have to say initial reactions of this video, and we'll get into why we do not trust. Jeffrey star in any sense. He again, basically accused James of most station, sexual abuse lying stealing content using his power, etc. He originally accused him of the twins all that stuff and Jeffrey said he had the receipts sending everything taught to do one hundred percent. But, you know, come the redemption, ark of James Charles he one hundred percent never in any way acknowledges anything he said in the last two weeks, except for the fact that he just said something he never in that whole sixteen minutes, acknowledges any aspect of this accusations that Taty said or that he said, or the he said he supports just want start off with that, 'cause my God, the apology video, I guess, it's an apology to in a sense is fully necessary that entire video as I watched it, if it was on loop, it's like when you watch anything Tricia pages does, it's like just talking talking talking talking, maybe something about the videos about. And then just like more talking talking talking lots of cuts couldn't. Stand that I do want to say and I had to watch some of this again, just to remember this Jefferson has not grown whatsoever from the many things we'll talk about in just a second year. There's a video he made if you don't remember called racism, period, and in that video that is thumbnail whom wearing a Gucci robe, and just with the words racism over it, he apologizes for a lot of things that we will get into. And he just spends the entire time you can almost get through insecure keep hearing him say, I'm so sorry for what I said, I've grown from this. I've learned better. I'm not gonna stay in the drama. I'm not gonna do any of this. I'm not going to monetize. And like make this more about who I am. You know who I am? If you love me, let me as you don't love me. I respect that. But like, you know, don't start more. Hey, don't get more into the drama. Don't fuel these fires those one hundred percent. What this video, he just made about the executive, he just made about this whole thing with James and Tonto is exactly the same like almost word for word. I it's mind boggling, it's mind boggling and honestly, it could have been like just a few minutes. Because if you could just tweeted something at this point, that would have been the exact same. But you make a sixteen video you can do it at in the middle of before, you can get whatever you want out of it, like you know, it's barely, what you're supposed to do. Can can you please explain why we hate this. Well, yes, so I will also say on my video of him like my biggest takeaway from the Jeffrey star video is I'm really fucking irritated that in this whole experience. Jeffrey star was not given his first out. He was given his second out like this is the second time Geoffrey star has inserted himself into drama and then pivoted and said, you know what I'm out like I'm done. I'm not going to do this anymore. We remember from the jape when we talk about Jake Paul. There are many YouTubers who have talked about that, these people that are making their in the ten twenty million subscriber count, could free passes all the time, but other YouTubers and people in the community because they know if they mess with them, they're going to not. To make it. And that's what I'm saying. So, like, also at the same time, it feels really fucking weird to be repeatedly called a racist. And then make consistently damn of famine Tori statements with criminal implications. And then back pedal in claim I'm in such a good place right now in on his obstacle in worse with drama. I I'm to digital break, I'm taking digital break in such a good play my mental health is never been lower. I'm done. I'm done like it took me to such dark place in I inserted myself and I was the old Jeffrey. It's almost professionally responses old Jeffrey. It's like you have had six hundred and fifty thousand times to grow and have not done any. Let's talk about the old Jeffrey. So I got a lot lotta this from various sources. So here is a little bit of Jeffrey stars origins. For those of you who are not seen stirs on my space, like me. So he began him is base. He asked a cult following and lots of accusations of racism. Excuse me, even back, which he parlayed, obviously, into a massive music career. I'm getting most of this in a very helpful time line from FOX, so thank you. This was from an article star in the racism scandal upending the YouTube Uni community. So he has at the time in third. Twenty eighteen thirty two he's about thirty three now or at least going to be thirty three he has a very highly lucrative makeup line. He makes a ton of money at the time in two thousand eighteen he had ten million subscribers on YouTube. Could you get his exact cow? 'cause I know at the end up also his videos, ranged from reviews of new products to stunts like him applying, a full face of luxury makeup on a speeding raft or applying makeup in a private plane with Taty Westbrook loose going on his like makeup in Bentley's series, which he did for a little bit. He's actually at fifteen million subscribers right now. Yes, so let's discuss that. So. Here is a more helpful apology video. So this is from L dot com. It was hold the times. Jeffrey stars has feuded with another celebrity or been racist. So for those of you who were not on my space, just thank your lucky stars, you missed out his mice base era found him repeatedly dealing with videos, where he would chase women white or black down the street or events calling them the word loudly. We will not play these videos on the air because it is so, so, so bad. There's, there's no need. I watched it. And I actually had to turn it off because it was like it was sick. It's, it's very deep-rooted, and I don't wanna be like shocking in, like, click Beatty, but it sick. And if you wanna find them that is your prerogative, but we will not amplify them here. So he also repeatedly went on racist rants about Mexican immigrants. Which he claimed a many, many. Racist jokes over he claimed these are jokes though. Like it's my sense of humor being racist is my sense of humor. He also said later on that, sometimes he would call white women, the N word, which made it okay at least because he was just trying to be sexist like it wasn't racist. It was just sexist like that is like being. Is my space deep cuts? A lot of it is like screen shots of screen shots of screen shots of deep fried mice based comments. So understand that, also, if you don't remember he has apologized. So this is from an allure interview that he did. I found it very interesting because allure basically, gave him a full disclosure apology exit in twenty seventeen four these racist comments, so allure exclusive Jeffrey star apologizes. So in twenty seventeen he released a video called racist period, it was, like, literally, a period, I was talking about where he apologize and shares his quote side of the story from human being to human beings. So he gives several shoutouts at the very beginning of video to millions of fans and followers who thinks have always supported him. He addresses the seriousness of his, quote, disgusting vile nasty embarrassing comments, quote, I think that racism is a very. Serious subject, especially in today's world, I'm Impala job as I'm embarrassed as a person because that is not what I've ever stood for. I'm all for self expression, self worth and self love. I think it's awful that you guys have to see me in that light. I am so sorry for my words. I'm so sorry. You ever see me like that? That is not who I am. And I apologize deep down to the core of my fucking being. I don't know about you. But. Like making a joke in a tweet one time, which is still racist is a little bit different than fully chasing people at events, who are black. Around attacking them, assaulting them. Verbally accosting them with raises at the vets like an old thing he's done. There's like so much since. That's what I'm saying. Like that was like, maybe like six years prior to this video. So I get that. He's like it was a longtime ago. But that is like an extreme thing to do. You know, like that's a stream of very extreme thing to do. So I just think it's weird that he positions it as like this. Oh, well, it's just like what we were like back in two thousand seven two thousand eight that's just like what we did. When racism was, like totally different. So he also says. In this interview with allure that it's been very hard for him to relive the comments over and over again. And he also sees it as a very disheartening thing that people try to discredit his quote, work over, quote, one moment in time, there's at least eight videos from different places of this happening with it's not a one moment in time says it's how you became famous on the internet was being allowed racist. So he also says, quote, I said those horrible things to get a reaction. These words, it is so far from who I am. But I've said things that are racist to women of color, and other people, so I get it. You look, let's specify. This is one of those things, so really meaning Dawson level of delusions, what specify that you were racist to black women. That's like that's what's happened. Well, yeah, so he also says, I'm you see one moment, and it's literally when I'm nineteen years old, interesting. Who else is nineteen in this scenario? So let I can't even let just talk about things that don't age. Well, listen, I was. Up again. I sounded like such an idiot right now. But that was nineteen in Donald, like, you know, it just have to shift some things do not age. Well, so he also says, I'm thirty one now and I just look back at this and I think it's so sad that I spoke like that. I'm just tired of being accused of something. I'm not. He also says that he was depressed anger at the world in seeking attention, as a quote, teen, even though many of the videos were when he was in his twenties. The main problem, I think, with growing up, and with looking certain way and looking different is that you don't understand. Why people don't accept you. I was very angry child. If you take one thing from this video police, you don't make the same mistakes. I did. He also says that his record reveals he's no stranger to calling people names. He pledges to completely stop in this June twenty seventeen video he pledges to allure, it sucks to be remembered for my drama, just as much as my creativity and artistry. Lou. Look, am I ever going to get into another fight on Twitter. I can't promise that I'm going to defend myself and my brand, and stand up for my friends, but I'm going to stop responding to people who try to stir show with me, and I'm going to be the bigger person you're either down for that and me or you want to grow with me or you want the drama, and you can find someone else who does that. Yikes did not age. Well, also says at the end of the day, he's focused on makeup and building his brand. But in a world, where negativity is popular. He wants to bring awareness to different types of hate quote. I think it's time for me to set an example, for other people. I think it's time for me to get my side out and hope that people listen to it and absorb it. If you watch this new still hate me, after it's okay. At least I got to say my side of the story. Like it smoke. And it's MIR's cyst that did not age. Well, so let's talk a little bit about this. So here's a couple of times where Jeffrey star has been either uninvolved and roped in two or completely involved with racists, so Kim Kardashian previously defended her. Opinions of Jeffrey star. I guess after he attacked her for, you know, the her quote struggles swatches when she first noticed K K W, beauty. She said, oh, we'll Jeffries said they were little off quote Kim. What's going on with these watches? He tweeted looks like Chuck, she responded. I see that my fans are totally hating on someone like Jeffrey star for being honest about my struggle swatches. But because of his remarks, I'm learning how to stretch properly. She also seemed to defend his controversial racist remarks, and she backtracks later saying, I really didn't have the right to say, get over it to a situation that involves racism after she said, get over it to a situation that involved racism, I also want to bring up this, Jeffrey and Nikita dragon and Gabriel Zamora beef that he was involved in, in two thousand eighteen that's really center. It's like if you in Noah ready, there was drama in the beauty community, which was the original context of that vox, Arctic. Title, so YouTubers and Jeffrey star came to so the drama between these famous YouTubers and Jeffrey star came to a boil when Gabriel Zamora tweeted a photo of himself with Laura Lee, and Nikita dragon, and they were all raising their middle fingers with the caption, quote bitches better without him. Because we're doing better fans quickly, obviously deciphered who this was about. So quote, imagine so Gabriel's Morris said, quote, imagined standing racist. I could never Honey every time I was around him. He would constantly say things about black people, so and that's Zamora then is referring to his past as a my space seen stir, which we talked about, he says that every time he was around Jeffrey star. He repeatedly through around the N word and said, a lot of like, really racist stuff, Kevin de who is also a racist and an anti vaccine made similar accusations against Jeffrey star. And. And in two thousand seventeen he posted his racist. I'm sorry. But if kept on Diaz to say you're racist, she's like the worst girl. So let's talk about how the Maura lordly and Nikita dragon were basically totally backfired in this scenario. So leeann Guiterrez initially favored Zamora's tweets, but then retreated after they received backlash claiming they had read the cab they had it read the caption accompanying the photo in the days following everyone dug up old offensive tweets from Zamora, as well as dragon and Laura Lee. So Zamora dropped the N word in a tweet into thousand twelve Nikita dragon wrote in two thousand twelve that she could never imagine being a black person could tear, as also said in a Snapchat, of him side, eyeing an Uber driver for not speaking English, and in two thousand twelve in the months following Trayvon Martin's death. Laura Lee tweeted, you know what? I'm not even going to tweet ya. Not even gonna right. I actually I was reading it and went, you know what? No, I'm okay. So didn't delete after that also, we know lower Lee's apology video with the we music. We've all heard it by now. So I'm not gonna play it here. But she also had just a ton of other things get brought up. She posted that video and all of them kind of went by the wayside. Right. But what I wanted to bring up in this is these are, who these people are, and Jeffries star was tying his business, and public image to these people. And so, even if say Jeffrey star was never quote, a racist around them. He was hanging out with people who were publicly racist, like let's get that out of the way. Right. I mean it's so let's talk about what he said about Jackie I know because listen, and this is recent this is from two thousand seventeen two thousand eighteen so. Jeffrey, starring Jackie I it never got along. So she made her dislike for Jeffrey star cosmetics clear in a video called her anti hall video, basically saying, I don't wanna work with Jeffrey star. I don't aware his makeup. I know what he says about black women behind the scenes and also on space back in the day. Shells opposes screen shots revealing that Jeffrey star had blocked on Instagram. And when Jeffrey star found out about this, he suggested Jackie I know had been using his name reviews and referred to her as a quote irrelevant rat. So she also said back in response. Never forget that Jeffrey star will call black women rats uneducated and broke when they do not worship him. Please research, who you support in the beauty industry. There's really a lot of ugly tweets you do not see in probably won't see divide. Anthony Munoz, though, also said in a recently, quote at the time in two thousand eighteen share text exchange, basically showing. Jackie now Jackie Jeffrey. Are using the N word in response to Jackie Aina. He also claimed that Jeffrey star repeatedly called Jackie Aina a bunch of racist epithets, and to end this. She posted a tweet kind of IOS press release, I was gonna say, I read a part of that actually could you just read the whole thing. Yeah. Can do that. So, yeah, she posted at Jeffrey's tar, on tweet, I would like to address something that unfortunately, happens more often than it should I have and will continue to be committed to supporting brands and content creators, that champion inclusivity through messaging and their actions. It's important to me as a person woman, a member of our beauty, such influence or community to stand firmly by these values. Jeffrey start does not represent those values. I have not in will not excuse. His blatantly racist behavior nor his pass references to me in derogatory terms. His continues of the N word nor his efforts to eliminate spaces and opportunities where people of color, no one in the community should feel. They're protected enough to continuously say things to make black woman feel ugly and ashamed in their own skin. This is sadly, privileged, that this is salvia privilege and I that summit, Jeff included have abused for far too long and today's culture of authentic representation, we as a beauty community can only grow and thrive by refusing to accept bigotry in any form. No matter the. Brand or the person it is going to be a standard. Let's raise it for everyone. Let's stop making exceptions for people just because we like the way they blunt is shadow. I hoping Ford we can do better and focus on, making room for those with responsible voices and positive platforms. So that's pretty much that on that. I think that tells you everything you need. I know about stardom, or is it all like the fact that Taty stands by him to this day to this day, she just that video is the private jet together is the darkest thing that capitalism, right there. That's the whole commodification of interpersonal relationships for area, prophet, love this new media landscaper and it's just so new on. It's not nuance. Lesson. It's the worst thing I've ever seen. I will also say you mentioned this like, very, very briefly. But we briefly talked about Jake Paul. I don't know why feel like inserting this here at the end of the episode but like. Nothing has happened. Never to know completely about the accusations that women were drugged at his party. It's gone. We're never going to get the story, it is such a heinous horrible thing. And we wanted to report on it again. And I just got reminded that like him, those lawyers. Now it's gone gone. It scrubbed not a single mention of it for two weeks. Now it's about some new drama. He started with some new youtuber and the fact that he's now associated with ten among go don't even want to KENDALL referred to her as a clump of used eyelashes. And how was like, who intend among? But my athletes dumb fat Lilly, what she posts. It's I say, though, by yield, I will just say, though, this is the last will be talking about this. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. Can you imagine Fonte calling you raises? Can you imagine until you where you are in this place like where you are in this that you can you imagine cat? Bondi. It's too great of a concept. I'm so happy that real this is it. I'm done. Let's just hit out. No should we plug? We should plug vitamins. Thank you for sticking through this. And if mania like glum have concerns if you have feedback if you have anything, you want us to fill in on if you think we missed anything, if you think we didn't do anything Justice like we always love hearing from you. We always will give you the space to air that on air. I mean, we have our listener letter happy hour coming up in a couple of weeks. So please send that in, it will definitely make it in the episode. And yeah, I mean that's just rare one end on that, like this is a story about capitalism, and it can only be understood by the way that corporations have inserted themselves into the personal lives of people who make a living selling their personal lives. It's just crazy. That literally, the parasites of drama alert and spill the tea are making like hundreds of thousands. A month of those. They're like, wow, lovely be sec. I'm actually breaking out in hives. I need you to NS the new 'paparazzi is just people with iphones. Have long time and just screen shot things. 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And I'm so happy that this is the audience we have because I feel like you are the people that truly get it like I don't even want to be like, you get it because I feels like one of those decisions as call stack Shen that YouTubers insert, but, like you guys are so smart and so informed, and so with the shits, and I just like really have my day made every single fucking day getting to interact with you, and Euler fun knee, like jokingly like on the Facebook group, especially I'm like, damn like that's funny. I also like the fact that we've also just kind of stayed in the Facebook group because we want to maintain that, like audience relationship. Say you guys actually QA all the news. I wish I could I wanted to give a shout out to, you know who you are. I posted this like rant and meant to post an article link and I love that our listeners who I now consider many of them as friends, because I've formed, genuine, friendships love. Said Joan we love you. But we have no idea what you're talking about. Because it was just this insane rant about an article I didn't link to. And I just like that is exactly the quintessential nature of this podcast in general, is me like running around outside, but naked with my hair on fire screaming at the top of my lungs, and everyone just like stand non by, like Joan. We love you. What are you talking about? An I love that. I love that. I get to do that for I love when you guys send us like DMZ just like wild stories and shit that just like pepper in the situation, but are like we are fully sending mutually beneficial like talk about capital, get like me. In a row action ADM's in a row about like this weird story revolving. Like some we just talked about I'm like, I don't know what this is about love you, like, thank you so much like every single day of my life. I actually have like a designated time where I scrolled Facebook group, because I'm just have to like every night before Stanley every night, I go to bed, my husband, I just like lay in bed, and I like scroll through, and I'm like, oh, my God, look it so funny. He said that. Oh my God. And I talked about you like to me, I will say, like, oh, like so-and-so commented. And Matt will just be like, babe. Like, I don't know this person. I'm like, but there's becoming the I noticed. There's like a cast of characters at this point because people who pose like everyday. I love it. Yeah. There's so funny. And you have good conversations. That's amazing. So let's to one. Hi. My name is beebee. Oh. I was like, if she moved to do what she wants so we, we enter patriotic. My name is TV Wreksa. And I am in the studio. I've never. I've never had that was like, whoa. Exactly what that's from you. I heard you say so many times I'm like, oh, I mean, you know, like whatever, and I, I was I we're supposed to say goodbye here, but I'm mixing up, what episode we're recording. Okay. Three three two one. Good. Bye. Whoo. F-. What do I think? I don't think of her. Yes. Cute. Jerry. I'm not talking about the city more. I am done. I don't want to be involved. I'm done. This is done. I didn't want this to happen. It's over swim. Not going to play the games that I started to play. I'm not talking about the city more I am good. And I'm done getting caught up. I am done because that's not me.

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116: The One About Old News: Wednesday, July 1, 2020

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116: The One About Old News: Wednesday, July 1, 2020

"Ooh, morning, millennials welcome back to the morning. Toast Happy Hump Day A. Make sure to help someone you love. Today unfortunately does not here, so it's looking like Jackie is my next. He is it really Hump Day though of Theo's not here and let's talk about the fact that he's just skipping out on work. Left in right. That's a very interesting philosophical question you pose. Is it still technically Hump Day if Theo is in here and according to my research? Yes, according to a research, no, it's just Wednesday and in regards to Theo. Coming to work, it's it's his mom's fault to be honest with the new studio like on a new schedule and I need to just get my shit together before I. Start bringing my son so before you start giving us crunchy Angel Dora yet, but that doesn't mean we can't give the People Ranchi. Angel Dora peress. Chan Dara Beautiful, lovely Dora love of my life, Dora I miss him Dora. 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You know it's like when you're talking to avoid for so long, and you just talk to your interest stories and you talk to his camera for awhile. It feels like there's nobody listening and I know. We have analysts that I know people in. In but sometimes I just feel like nobody likes us. I really feel that way and we the special. I couldn't believe how many people were tagging me, and they're actually couldn't keep up with all the stories and all the reviews, and like literally my show got to number four overall on itunes and number two I couldn't be the stupid fucking. Steve Carell comedy. Trash I bet you it's trash in the resounded so bad. It was whatever I digress. But it's. It's still now what I went to bed last night. It was number four when couples number five, so keep purchasing. Keep reviewing if you're looking for places that have all the information now, so it's available on a ton of platforms. Amazon Prime Apple TV. Which is I tunes on? 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I mean what's not to enjoy. I'm really excited to watch I. Still have him on because you know I like to save. I like to save my content. I don't I'm not watching it as homework. I will enjoy it I had. Had actually so much to do yesterday we recorded the redheads. Episode will be up tomorrow morning I. Think you guys are really going to enjoy it so if you haven't read the book yet, or you haven't finished, make sure to do that soon. Before the episode drops and Mars also our last episode of the week. Because it is a holiday weekend, we will be back on Tuesday of next week. so that's just little programming, scheduling, date and anything else. Not Not at the moment, not at the current junction. I think we get into the stories of the day. Is. There's one story that is taking over my life. It's taking over my life because I forced it to I. Really like to believe that if we didn't do this job, it really wouldn't even be on my radar. Well I think that's also why yesterday was so good, because I watched so much of the Youtube drama content, and it's not as juicy as it once was, but it felt like we were getting back to. Normal life you know that just the simple days where vitamins were just up for discussion. Yeah, but like the simple days of drama get it. Yeah, and before quarantine like before we knew what what is to be so bored. Yeah, and I see that well. We're going to get right into it in the past five stories that you need to know before you wake up and take a bite out of your morning, toast. And today we also have to your toaster, so it'll be a nice long episode for everyone again to your toasters, our advice segment, you can always email us totally anonymously toasters at gmail.com if he wants to read your query on air. Is that the right word query? Okay first story, the story of the day Taty Westbrook says James Charles. Feud started from Jeffrey. Star Enchaine Chain Dawson's poisonous lies. Okay yesterday, Taty. WESTBROOK dropped a video called breaking my silence. It's a forty minute video in which she explained sort of the events leading up to what inspired her motivated her in gas. Let her to make the video last. May about James Charles called by sister. She says that Shane I'm just you know, paraphrase hard, raising Shane and Jeffrey, really her mind with lies about James. Charles encouraged her to do the video offer to edit yet him being this monster she. She already had concerns about him in his fame and his entitlement, but then after talking extensively with Shane, in jeopardy she really thought that making this video was the right thing to do to sort of stop him in his tracks, and get him off his phone before a bunch of victims came forward, and Shane said he was going to do a documentary with a bunch of genes. Charles's victims, they had played an file for her of a conversation with one of his victims that I guess really tug at her heartstrings, also being a victim of a victim of sexual assault and so. All of these events led up to the COACHELLA sugar bear hair reverses her vilo in Hato. Halo Vitamin Kerfuffle, which that point was the thing it was, so it wasn't all about the vitamins, but the vitamins were the thing that brought it back to like her beef with Jane, and she made that video so according to her video. Basically she never really like thought much. Much about some of James's odd behavior, but only when she became friends with Jeffrey and Shane, did they poison her and gaslight her into making this video and encouraged her very heavily, and like gave her the knife, in which to stab him in the back, and I wanNA take this chronologically, because there's so much to unpack here, but let's just start with Totti's video because. After drama, get in which that's what they call it after Magadan, I, think the world pretty much. After all the videos took James's side. Yes, it's funny, because now in thinking back on it. I feel the way that I left drama. Get in! I felt like James was right. I think I felt that Taty was a nice decent person I. Don't think her video was filled with. It seemed like there was a misunderstanding that none of us could really reconcile, but we were both fine with James Taty. James was uncanceled. Taty was like going down and subscribers after she had really gone up. But I don't think it definitely harmed Taty, because like she something about what she was saying was untrue, because James was able to refute it, but I did feel like there was this piece missing? Because taty seems like a decent person is. About to agree, disagree I. I heard a bit of your phone. Call more definitely about to disagree okay and and James. Had the receipt, so I definitely felt like I was on both of their sides, even though those sites conflicted with one another. Yes, I I agree, but you know what as a fan I was such a big fan of James Charles and talk to us. Video totally poisoned me, and then with his video like I believed him, but something about actually and I just think of myself as a fan of youtubers like I haven't watched really much. James Charles content since then so like even though he did you know. What's the word with an R? Redeem himself. I definitely think that video took a toll on his career in in the numbers because I myself. Stop watching even though I believed him. Yeah, I was over it, yeah! So I agree. There was something missing in the sense that nothing made sense like. How can this to people telling the truth and I didn't think either one of them were lying like I. Don't think Tati is a liar, and I do not think Jim Charles's liar. No told their version of the truth. Yeah, I remember when we talked about Taty. Were like who is this person? She seems like such a precious gems law and this was before James is rebuttal, so she seemed like this really sweet kind person, and I do think she's still that person, but obviously there were things going on behind the scenes that affected. Why she made that video so in the video now let's into present day in the video. Except video drama gathering took place in May and according to her video in December, her and James made up, and December was after Shane and Jeffrey series came out where they didn't bring up drama again. They didn't have anything about victims, and they totally left. Hoti out to dry, and so I think he didn't know there was A. She contradicted herself in her own video because she said that they totally cut her out of the video, she wanted she was supposed to be part of the series, but then she also said she declined to be part of the series altogether, so did they cut you out, or did you decline? Well? It seems as She was talking about like member when there was like like a trailer for the series, and it looked like they were going to talk about drama. Get in, because they had it in the trailer, but then she asked them not to within the episode, never happen in the chain and Jeffrey were just like said we decided not to focus on all of s and so I don't know really where she stood, but like the fact that Jane Shane Jeffrey didn't get their hands dirty then I think she really waited for that to come out, thinking that might redeem her and when? When it didn't her in James Got Together to talk about both of their experiences. Yeah, okay, that's that's how I read it. I agree and I'm sure that's what happened, but like for me. At least I don't know I just have a hard time believing top US. Burke is thirty eight years old. She has built an amazing company. She's like one of the richest youtubers from Halo to Taty beauty to her youtube. She is incredibly smart, incredibly successful. She's been in this game for a while. She was above the drama forever and I. Just feel like it's a really convenient. Theory like for her like she. I don't see this brilliant smart beautiful woman being gas let that easily by two people. She barely knows I. Just don't and I don't see her throwing her long friendship and mentor ship with. James Charlton's at her wedding. I don't see her so easily. Throwing him under the bus. Because people she met for a month told her to well. It was more than a month, but I just I. It makes sense I. Don't think she was lying in any way like the time all the facts it did. How did you? Get sure maybe people can poison your mind. You'll think differently about James but to go and make that India log into your channel. Right to make that video which requires so much time effort energy scripting. You know editing strategy. Yeah to get it up. It's a lot of work for someone WHO's not that interested in taking down another human being yeah I don't know. I just felt like she didn't really take accountability for her what she did James and to be honest when I started watching the video in the beginning I was really angry on behalf of James. He got fucked in this whole thing like he never once asked to be a part of any of this, he let. Jeffrey Star do his merch with killer merch like he was just as far as I know he was kind to everyone in the space and everyone definitely. Was You know a little? Jealous Jealous of his incredible historic success. Yes, so for me. When I started watching this video, I was like angry for James I'm like this is really unfair. Because as far as I know, there's no victims of abuse coming out against him as far as I know. That was just a rumor. So I'm like this kid who's twenty years was twenty years old at the time had the whole world turn on him because according to t westbrook shot gasoline I. Don't know it just seemed so. She wasn't taking accountability for part. Part in all of it like she really put it all on James Shane and I'm no apologist. Sorry Jeffery and chain, and I'm no apologist for them, but it does seem like convenient timing I don't think the timing is convenient at all like we've really all. Put this to bed. And even in the comments that read people are so beyond over this. I mean the timing in the sense that like Shane is now on chopping block for his abhorrent behavior, people are wanting to cancel, Jeffrey Star Youtubers, or just like not. It's never been a worse time, youtuber. It's honestly never been time to be an influence there because there is this sort of reckoning and people looking into your past, and Shane and Jeffrey are huge topics of conversation. They've been tweet trending on twitter for weeks like. I just think that I don't know it all. It adds up, but in a lot of ways it makes no sense to me, but you know what I in the beginning of this video I'm like. Why am I watching this NBA onboard I? Don't even care anymore like how can these two morons coerce you to make a video a video? It's A. It's a lot to make video and. And felt, but then she started talking about the rest of her year, and what happened afterwards hurt businesses suffered, and how she could barely get herself together, and how she was supposed to Tila treatment, she couldn't even do that because her mind, and her body lay could not have handled that and like the constant anxiety that she lived with in the past year, and I know exactly I mean. We I don't know exactly what she's talking about, but I know that feeling of of just A. Pit, the whole world hates you and she's been in that position for a whole year, and so now she's just sharing. What happened from her perspective I. Do think that James Got Together. They have these text messages and receipts that they're not sharing and they're putting together a story. I don't know if this story is exactly what happened on Jeffrey and Shane Side But I think even knowing that. Jeffrey and chain had a little bit of involvement and influence hockey making this video. Makes a lot of sense by the way I thought all along not chain. Honestly I don't. I don't think Shane really gives a shit about what goes on in the beauty community back then. He wasn't even a part of it. I. I don't really feel like becoming a part of it. He was the that back then is when they were filming the series. Like, learning makeup and making a pallet I don't know I. Just I don't get divide that like Shane had much. Stake in this game but like. I've thought for a year now. That Jeffrey was definitely involved in these video, either with like helping her bundle together, or some of the evidence like I, have always thought that and I always thought that Geoffrey was jealous, of James, but then like his weird video. Never doing this again didn't make sense. There's so many things that don't add up here and part of me when watching her video I don't. Don't think he was fake. Crying and I don't think that she really lied about anything I don't think todd is a bad person like I don't think she's one of the these actually a very good person me to got herself in a situation that she could not get out of and she was not prepared to handle. She's just not like she's been on Youtube for like ten years and she. She does beautiful lovely content. She doesn't get involved in drama. That's not her brand. Some people that is their thrive off of it the more drama, the more like fanning the flames. They live for it to me. She's like a fragile soldier and she can't handle that and I. Don't think anything she said in the video was alive and I don't think she was being disingenuous and I don't think. Think. She was crying. I just wish I. Don't know I just feel like it. Was this part about her? Like not taking any responsibility for the video and just like really blaming it on Shane Jeffrey like that was too easy for me like you upload the video you edited that. It's like a weeks process like I just I. Don't know it was. It was a little too convenient for me. Okay well also WanNa talk about shame because he went live as he was watching Totti's video i. don't know if he had completed the video again. What a mess mess I mean! I saw some snippets of his live on only two minutes. What you saw the whole thing? Oh, okay? It was a complete train wreck like him accusing her fake crying, not once did I think that her tears were and then one upping her abused with his he like really I was malaria with the Lhasa Bill move. He could make an deleted and tweeted. This is such a fucking lie. Yeah, it was it was terrible to be honest and that really, and he did absolutely nothing to help his case that to me. Just taty look even more reasonable, a greater full. I, though I was really confused and I'm still not sure where I stand because. Like at the end of the day I, don't think anything talked. He said his ally I. Think she's a lovely person and I think she got caught up in a situation that she was not equipped to handle, but something's aren't adding up for me. And I posted a on our instagram, and I really wanted to know what people thought because with the vitamin staff like it was so clear, however, when felt with Taty was so clear how everyone felt with James and right now I feel that we got no clarity like the audience. The world hasn't taken one side. And so I just wanted to see what people were saying on her instagram and would like to share. Some of the comments from someone in bath. She said Shan has always seemed so sketchy to me by touchy story. She has always seemed real. Okay I mean that's beyond checked, but yeah. Hannah said I think the fact that her in James made up proves that there's truth. To what she's saying agreed with that, there's no way James would forgive her. If this wasn't the truth and that they were both being manipulated by them, also top. He was not problematic at all before. All of this true agreed with that. Allyson, said Jackie, ENA, finally getting an apology publicly was nice everything else. If you're in the youtube community for a long time which? I have not been there's deep-rooted a. Drama with Jackie Anna and she thought Justice last night, which is also fantastic, I also want to say the way the Taty was like in the beginning of the video and the end of the video talking about like the Youtube drama in general. And things are going to come out and she scared for her life like I. Literally is, it's like the Mafia yes this community, and is it really like that or they're? These people are just so dramatic. My feeling was that she was being a little dramatic, but it's clear that she's had a very hard year. She's very anxious and that was clear in the way she was talking about security relocating legal. We're putting together. What's going on here is crazy, but in my mind is not necessarily illegal. No, but I also think. Some of her message underneath the surface was that more things are gonNA start to happen and she was the. kind of like a warning to everyone and I think she leads some interesting points. Even though she was so vague, it was painful, painful and so slow to get to again. She but she was trying to say I think like the way that we all sort of gang up on someone when something like this happens even when we all get up on James based. Based on her video is something that we need to stop doing and also at the end of per video when she says like. If you want to cancel, someone or you don't want to be a fan anymore. It's what we're always saying like by all means walkaway focus that energy on yourself on a different creator, but the heat and like the vitriol of. Going after people can't keep happening right and in the beginning of a video. She said something incredibly profound when she was talking about like the way people feel about. Felt about drama, get in like offer James for Taty and the way that we have freedom of speech, but it's so limited because if you don't agree with the heard like you're automatically canceled for your opinions, which is so evident, given the climate that we're currently in, and it's actually crazy like even our comments about trauma. Get and the way that we attack each other like you guys. People are allowed to have their own opinions, even if they're different than you, it's what makes this country great and you have to stop you if you have ever attacked someone in a comment for their opinion. On a random issue, you are the problem and I. Don't Know How many times you have to hear that in order for it to get into your head like this toxicity that exists in the beauty community within the phantoms is because of people, just fucking attacking each other for no good reason, and it's insane, but I digress I wanNA keep reading people's opinions because I just find it so interesting. From AH loves life. My only thought is that I listened to it two minute clip of Shane talking about children and the most horrific way I need not know anything about this man I agree with your stance on cancel culture, but this needs serious help, and should by no means ever have a platform again. Period couldn't agree. More couldn't agree more and that's why it's like. I think. In a lot of ways, this was a good time for today's video to come out because nobody's really gonNA. Defend Shane Jeffrey Right now. No I mean I think everyone wants to hear from Jeffrey I. Don't think anyone wants to hear from chain really ever, but what Jeffrey. Think. At Jeffrey is going to a storm. Is Brewing and Jeffries going to rain down on them? But he thinks she's prepared for that, and it was more important for her to tell her truth then to live scared of Jeffrey. This ex-communist something I saw a lot and it's she's a grown woman. She knew exactly what she was doing. Next part of me does agree with that like I. Don't know how much a thirty eight year old successful businesswoman can be manipulated by two other people into. Doing something so drastic I don't. I don't know if I necessarily believe that one hundred percent. Yeah, that's I. Mean that's a fair point. And the last one from Anna, respect the hell out of her calling them out, really appreciated the apology to Jackie Ena. That seems to be a popular opinion and I agree with it so. Once again. We don't know at least this. I am so glad we have something to talk about. That's just like. Only like yeah. You know what I mean. But. It's just so interesting because with the drama get in first round. There was really no. Confusion for me. It's like I was firmly on Tatty, and then I was firmly on Jane. You know what that's the problem like. You would like nothing ever so cut and dry. You know and especially, when like people's emotions, people's perceived like you said someone Shane, said something to talk in. Taty took it as like some sort of undertone with when people are starting to interpret what other people are saying like. Yeah, it's really not so crystal clear so when someone puts out a video and we're all like hundred percent. We know what happened these artifacts, and it's really only one person side. Not The whole story like that's not valid that yeah, so the. Everyone feeling so strongly. We shouldn't I. Honestly I feel like feeling confused about what happened. Here is the right way to feel I feel everybody's confused as we should be because we weren't there. Yeah, just I. I just feel like Taty. A lot of ways like she does. She does need a break like it's clear that she's not cut out for this type of Youtube space. I think for years. She was just like her own person in her own boss and her own lane and I don't and I've seen a lot of people thinking. She was crying and I don't agree with that like I, do think she. Is this like little? Birdie like she's agile and I think she has a lot of hurting her heart and a lot of pain and I think that a lot of it has to do with. She feels really guilty about what she did to. James, and like I would too. That's. Why did Trish Say oh? She didn't March tristesse video. Messy these youtubers. Make me nauseous with the GIGLI camera. It's so insane. But she wants to video and was just commenting on it throughout, and she is Shane's best friends like the video was a little silly because she like. Really did defend Shane even though she said she wasn't you know his actions are inexcusable, but like I don't know, I couldn't get onboard with it because she was just like ignoring mature elephant in the room, which is that your friend did and said some of the most mile discussing things I've ever heard in my life, but she does not believe. Taty at all like. And she. She actually said that her Jeffrey are not friends anymore like they had this moment biggest something about a purse, and she's been really hurt by him for a while, but she hung out with him a lot and he she never heard him. Say anything about like having blackmail on other people and she doesn't think that that's true that he said that. She just really didn't believe anything she wasn't buying. Anything talked. He was selling and she actually did make an interesting point That I, thought was interesting where. She. Really believed the whole time Taty was definitely upset about the vitamins, and like the vitamins was her cross to bear, and that's what this whole thing was about and all the gas lighting stuff is ally and at the end of the video. She makes a point to say which I found so interesting that Jeffrey is actually a CO owner of morphine. Yeah, which is fascinating. and. She thinks it's no coincidence that morphine is now coming out with hair, skin and nail vitamins, and so trish was like that Trish thought that that was like a window into what this whole thing is about like. It's obviously still about the vitamins which you know. I, it is an interesting concept. The thing about morphe-. I thought it was most interesting that she said that morphine were supposed to come up with a makeup line together to end. It doesn't make sense why James Charles doesn't have a makeup line of his own aside from collaborations, his morphine Palette, which is like one of the most successful. James Charles beauty seems like that was in development with more fee. Right Jeffrey is a secret CO owner, so he put the wheels in motion to get James canceled. That wouldn't happen and I know everyone's over this story, but like I'm not and I need to hear from Geoffrey, you know this has been a hard week for Jeffrey. Star stands because you know he's on the chopping block for you. Know things he's done. He's done in his past end. You know he has to be held accountable. And you know part of being Jeffrey Stan is like you know he's problematic, but like you just look past it like and you just love him and you think he's funny and he loves beautiful house and his products, but now it is, it is time for. People to be honest and accountable and. If, he's sitting on as many receipts that I think he is. I think it'll make for a very interesting video, and or he could really shock people and be like I have no blackmail on anyone by like. Honestly, that's what I would do because she just painted a picture of him and keep puts out a hurricane of video. He's playing into exactly what she said. He is yeah. Video and be like. I don't know anything. I would probably be excluded from this narrative one that I never asked to be a part I am sure he has received on absolutely everyone. I've never been more sure of anything in my life, but if he literally just step back and was like. No I mean I didn't really like James. Thousand and he didn't put up any screen shots and voice memos, not no text messages. He would rewrite the narrative I think if if anyone team stars listening. That's what I would do. That's the only way to get himself out of the hole. That talk to you just threw him down. Got It also something that? That! You said that you felt like Totti's. This video is convenient because like Shane is canceled. Everyone's going to agree with top t because you can't take the side of Chef Jeff Shayna Jeffrey right now. Everyone hates him. Yeah, but I also think I kind of saw it differently where it's like knowledge. She's piling onto his cancellation. It's time to take down. It's like she's actually making him a part of a conversation. That's like super light and. Exciting for people and not controversial, but now like we want to hear from Shane Dawson, and even though like we actually don't want to hear from him. That's tracing. It's kind of like weirdly reviving him. That's interesting. You know that's an injury. I don't agree, but that is an interesting. saw the. Take take thank you. I can't speak English. It's just it's all too much better living for it. Yes, so we'll keep you posted. Yes, I look forward to develop the story developing. I hope Jeffrey doesn't just ignore it. Even though what Tristesse said was so fascinating is like there's this kind of mentality in the Youtube. Community is just to like. Ignore all criticism and ignore ignore. That's how it goes way. She said that's David dobric mentality where it's like they're definitely questionable things they say and their videos some maybe a little fat-phobic like. Racist Innuendos, but it's all in good fun, and it's humor and everyone laughs and whatever. And that's like the David Hilbert Blogs Scott Away just like art. She bucking hates the blogs wads she fucking. Oh here. I'll plane. So there's so many members of the blogs while and there's definitely like a hierarchy and someone who super high up is Jason, and he's like forty years old, and he hangs out with these kids, and like that's his chick, and that's his joking like a stand up comedian David totally revived his career. He has kids and he dated Tricia forever and so tricia used to be in the swad videos, and it was like this fabulous youtube combination of life, and they broke up and had a nasty break up. I don't know all the details, but now she now. She just hates vox squad. Who knows more about them than her? She hung them forever, so she's always just like spilling tape getting this right Jillian. Jillions like the Youtube residents Dan like she was on waiting for me so I. Make sure that I'm not mistaking facts but I think I'm right. Okay cool! Much to know in Youtube history I feel like when I first started. Getting into you James Charles Shepherd, Star like maybe two years ago like I knew nothing and I feel like I still know nothing. Yeah, and so much history varies so much history so I'm taking. It once gained a lot of time one scandal at the time, but for this one I think were. Leaning towards Dossey. I'm leaning towards TAP. But I have my reservations about some of the things she said, and I'll leave it at that. Okay, but but at the end of the day. What I want to happen out of all this is absolute justice for James. Turrell's yes, very sad. Yeah, I also want to hear from James Charles because he wanted to be in Totti's video, pursuing and I think that that's that would be nice to hear from him, and also to hear him like forgive Taty so that we can forgive taty right. Right it's not on us to forgive taty. She didn't the fabric. Try To ruin our career the fact that James Forgave her like I could never be that forgiving of a person ever because honestly I'm still mad at Taty for she, to James, and the fact that James Forgave her on. It says a lot. That's what someone in the comments were totally agree. It says it really says all you need to know about this. Yeah, I agree okay moving on putting it to bed for now so. SIA reveal. She's a grandmother. After her son had two babies, they call me Nana. He is family just got a little bigger again one month after revealing, she had adopted two teenagers who were quote out of the foster care system. This singer appeared on Zane Lowe's Apple Music Show on Tuesday to share the become a grandmother after her youngest son, welcome children of his own quote, my youngest son just had two babies. She shared I'm just immediately horrified at no I'm cool. They call me Nanna I'm trying to get them to call me Lovey Kris Jenner. Call Me Lovey during the interview. She also spoke about her decision to adopt explaining that while her sons actually could have remained in foster care until they were twenty one, she wanted to get them out of the system, so they can have a more stable life quote, a little bit jaded now after investigating the foster system as much as I have done in the last year. It's failing us not in my experience in my son's experience, they've been in eighteen different locations in there eighteen years. Wow! The more I learn, the more that see like opens up about her personal life. She used to very very private like with the WIG and everything. But if you like the Kardashians, I brought up the first month or And I absolutely love that and I just love that. We learn every time. We learned something about her private fall in love with her. Even more and this is no exception. I love that she's a grandma I. Love It. She even her grandma dumb. She still stands the card right, and that's really all you can hope for from a levy that is of you can hope for I'm happy for her and her whole family and I agree I love that we're getting to see a more personal side of Sia. She said such an interesting, and she talks about it in Carpool Karaoke, but at some in interviews, but where I've heard her talk about it. The most is Carpool Karaoke. People were always confused about like the WIG thing. They thought it was like an artistic choice, and it really wasn't. She was from Australia, and she got kind of popular in Australia singer Songwriter, and she immediately couldn't deal. What the fame and got you know I think she was addicted to alcohol or Substance Abuse I. Don't know, but she went down the spiral where like she couldn't deal with that small modicum of fame that she had, and so she went to Rehab and she you know got her life back on track, but she loved singing like she didn't want to give up. Even though she knew it was like this toxic part of her life, so like the WIG and covering her face was this means. Falling Dreams, being passionate about her art, but not falling back into the trap because she goes to target, and like nobody really knows, and I think she did that for like ten years, and now I think she's had a place where maybe she's comfortable with sobriety and comfortable with her fame where she can Expose herself to the world and open up and I hope she's having a good experience with it, because I'm loving learning more about it and her family I. Hope So, too. She really reminds me of Hannah Montana. You know obviously she couldn't be popstar and go to school and just have live a normal life so complicated, so she had the best of both worlds due to her wig I would love to hear a a cover a best of both worlds. She gets the best of both worlds. She does even though now. She's well-known like everyone what she looks like. Yeah, thanks in large part to the Kardashians. Okay next story a little t David Foster will actually a little T. What's the word little lack of TI? Okay to foster? Quote will never disclose why he divorced Yolanda Hadeed my God this again. This episode should be called dredging up old. Because well I haven't thought about them in so long. He's moved on. He shouldn't talk about it, but. There's a new documentary him called. David Foster off the record and so he refused to say why. He divorced his fourth wife Yolanda, but insisted had nothing to do with her illness when the to Split Twenty fifteen amid Hadid's battle with lyme disease. The record producer was roundly criticized for leaving his wife while she was sick. He says in the documentary. How can I leave a sick woman? The fact of the matter is that was not the reason I left. It was for a different reason which I will never disclosed. That had nothing to do with her being sick. They were together for nine years and married for four before announcing their split in two thousand fifteen. I mean to me the story like the big message is that there's David Foster documentary. But, also, it is always nice to really get a little bit more insight into what happened there. Because that was a crazy time in was, but it's not one of those things I wonder about certain celebrity conundrums that will literally stay with me till the de Dialect. What happened in the elevator with Salon J.? Those things follow me and in terms of Yolanda and David Foster I. Don't really think about them that much. In my opinion, I don't think. He left her because she was sick. Because I fucked up thing to do and second of all. He's a celebrity. His PR team would have. Shown the optics on what that says about him, and he would have I just. Don't believe it, yeah. and. He said it so I choose to believe David Foster yeah I mean it begs the question. Okay? What was the reason? Then? What like we've moved on and we'll keep? Wanda ever said that that's what happened. She just let imply that. Yes, she never said anything in her silence wasn't implication that it might have been the truth, but they. I guess they were like so happy. Oh, by the way speaking of real housewives. We did a whole on episode yesterday. That people are loving. It's all about every real housewives of tagline ever, and are now of them, and just talking about old housewives old season their place in housewives his. Things happened on housewives before we ever started doing this show so just really dredging up stuff. Yeah, that's the theme of today and It's really great, so head over to patriots dot com slash the morning toast. A few are big house is fan, and if you're not, there's tons of other content there for you consume. It's seven ninety nine a month for five extra episodes, and if you by now you get access to all the old episodes, so it's really seven ninety nine for two hundred episodes, and that's honestly a great deal. Deal, great deal, okay, also speaking of real housewives. Here's a crazy story. Graham, Dina Manzo ex husband hired a mobster to assault her current husband in two thousand fifteen. The feds say. Do you remember when Dina Manzo House? Yeah and her boyfriend got beat up. Yes, turns out allegedly according to the feds that Tommy. Manzo her ex husband set it up. Here's the story Tommy Manzo. The EX husband, a former real housewives of New Jersey Star Dina Manzo was arrested. Tuesday on charges of allegedly hiring a member of the Casey crime family mob. I'm sorry, Tommy Manzo. Dina's ex husband. I understand that so is Tommy Caroline sister? I was. There I always thought Caroline and Dina were. Full sisters not through marriage your era sister-in-law's Oh interesting the the breaks between them. Not that big of a deal. People Act like. Oh, she doesn't talk to her sister but her. sister-in-law, yeah, yeah I agree. That's weird. was arrested on charges of allegedly hiring a member of the leuke crime family mob to carry out and assault on Dina's current husband Dave Canton in July Twenty fifteen to us attorney Craig. Pinedo. Announcing a press conference that Tommy of Franklin Lakes. New Jersey allegedly hired Joe Perna of Cedar Grove, New Jersey to assault Dave. According to the indictment Tommy gave John Discomfort lavish wedding reception the following month at the Brownstone in Paterson that Tomko owned, and if you watch your house as New Jersey, you know that the man's does I e Caroline Manzo involved in as well? Wow, this is so interesting. You know Dina Manzo. Reality TV was far more interesting than she ever was on reality TV with her ugly cats, but we to suffer through that you know. This is fascinating like. In the beginning of real houses of New Jersey there was like a mob vibe. Yeah, they never really spoke on it and there were union. Caroline said like most people think that but like. They were very vague about it. Yeah, but there was always like this underlying not anymore. But there wasn't with the man's family that brought it. In also there were more man's now. They're zero says on the show. There was Jacqueline who was married to? Go Yeah. There was DNA and there was Carolina and then we were falling around Al, the Chris and we and and their daughter Oh Lauren. Yes, so we were to. Other people love lowering to this day. She's like an influence her. I think she had a child and her and veto or married, and they eat parmesan cheese together, and it's so cute good for that. It sounds like a lovely life, so we manzo embraced her inner gray. She's not read anymore. She's full grey head who I love that for her, so we were very much in the man's family, and apparently they have ties to the mob allegedly allegedly a please don't hit us next. We're just reporting on the news It's just so funny. How like? When you think of mobs like back in the day like Godfather, there is an element of like glamour to like. It was like this rich everyone limousine like mob, mob mob, and then when I think of like modern day, mom's tacky. Mob Wives Will House New Jersey. It's like not nearly as glamorous. TV has really ruined the mob. Yeah! Somebody, think about well. We'll keep you posted on that story. Really crazy stuff, fifth and final story some exciting TV news a little T.. New Herve your enthusiasm curb. Your enthusiasm will return for season eleven on HBO Larry. David return to HBO for an Eleventh Season of curb your enthusiasm. This comes after the tenth season of the comedy aired on Cable Network earlier this year. So apparently Larry is already writing. How can he not been? How can he not be? He said believe me. I'm as upset about this as you are. One day I can only hope that HBO will come to their senses and grant the cancellation I so richly deserve that so funny I mean they say it's always GonNa be the last season and part of me. Actually believe that this was going to be the last season. I think it would have been the last season if not for current right one because. Because I need here Larry David's take on current virus and I think David is literally stewing in his house. Thinking of quarantine was made for Larry Data, and to because like the quarantine opportunity for Larry. David, Wright, about quarantine is just so right. Yeah, no, just the idea is. We're probably coming two minute sleep like Susie in quarantine. Do Much, susie enquiring. One hour episodes every for like six years this. I, could literally. I'm just so excited about it like this is fabulous news like entertainment inside. Yeah one because I was like, let down that there wasn't going to be another season and then second, because if there was going to be another season like it would be so iconic with. Just what's going on in the world? Yes, wow, this is fabulous. Yes, this is. A, Great Day to be a Jew. I need to hear about Susie in quarantine. I fucking love Susie. susie yeah. Okay, should we dive into your toasters? Which is our advice segment? Let's dive right in well today's episode end. The, deer toaster segment is brought to you by beach body. Oh my God. I did to beach body workout yesterday and I am so sorry. Extra, snatched action. Snatch speech body for you. 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Thank you so much for being a healthcare worker. You are hero to everyone. Thank you. I am a native sisterly advice. My sister was supposed to get married this August. I found out around Christmas and I'm pregnant with my first baby. My husband and I are thrilled my sister's wedding date, and my date were basically the same day her wedding was planned for out of state, and since I would have. Needed to fly to attend the wedding weekend. I wasn't going to be able to go. Wasn't going to be able to go so close to the baby being born, we were both upset, but in order to still on her special day I, offered to throw a very lavish wedding shower weekend getaway for her and her friends in our hometown, where I still live spending roughly what it would cost for me to attend the wedding long story short coronavirus came cancelling her wedding and postponing the wedding until next summer. The good news is that I can go to the wedding. The bad news is that she is no longer speaking to me because she wants me to still throw the expensive. Expensive wedding shower weekend and also attend her wedding I understand that she's frustrated about her events. Being canceled I, told her I'd be happy to throw her a smallish our but I. don't think I can financially afford to throw her the big shower and attend the wedding not to mention that avenue babies to support. She has not spoken to me since our conversation about this two months ago, and I'm five weeks away for my due date. Am I wrong for not doing both? How can my sister and I start talking again? Sincerely and expectant toaster before we start I just have to say. I totally agree with you and you are totally right. You have a baby to worry about. Your life has changed, and you still want to be a supportive sister, and it sounds like you are, but we need to give all corona virus brides a bit of a break, the as they are having a hard time going through it. Postponed their wedding three three months, and like no, they can't like. They're all postponing it a year. They're persuading in a year with the option for wave to make them postponing it again so I agree corona virus brides. I'm really so sorry for you, but I will say. Baby and five weeks trump's wedding so right now. You need to prioritize your cell. Don't get too stressed about it. It's not good for the baby i. think that maybe what you could say to her is that you'll do a shower for her? Maybe in the fall you can pretend like it's the big shower, but no to yourself that you're scaling down. She won't know what the big shower would be versus the little shower. Do what you can for her, and honestly if it's not enough I feel like right now, anything that people can do for other people or have some sort of good time like it's more than we'll do the dumbest things. Things and we're like what a great night! Totally like playing monopoly I'm, so. We did that so like. If anyone's going to be like I, want more. It's just this isn't the time for more so I think that you can do what you can come the fall after your baby is born I think she should appreciate that if she does in. Don't get too bent out of shape about it. You have a new baby to worry about and is now and tease of baby like that is the only thing that matters, and you know what the baby will fix everything like it just. I don't know part of me like honestly in my opinion. What the bride is doing to the pregnant sister is unforgivable, but because the bride is going through it, and we're giving corona virus brides like a little bit of a break I will. I will allow you to talk to her. I will allow it, but honestly I feel like to get mad at a pregnant woman for not bending over backwards for you is a little reason. For, not spending money went. She's having a baby. We're living like an economic crisis. Right I just. I'll give her a little bit of a break because she's going through going through to baby. Trump's all and that babies all that in the normal world. What she's doing in my opinion is unforgivable. Yes, but so we'll give her a chance. If you are up to it. Maybe try and plan a little something, but if but if you're not up to like your fucking pregnant, take care of yourself. You don't have to go out in the pandemic like just look out for yourself and your child yet and if she's really gonNA, write you off because of that. She's got stuff to work on. Yeah, and she'll work through it and then youtube will get back together, yeah. Okay next up, hello, beautiful, stunning and smart hosts to make a very long story short I was in a very on and off relationship for two years when I found out that my now ex boyfriend and best friend who lived with during the time we dated had been deeming she message back kissy-faced emojis. She now claims she had no idea who he was his name is. Is a spin off of his real name similar to Claude with no job, not that far jumped to figure out his profile is private and private. His profile pic with his sunglasses on and a half I. don't trust her around men date now, but I'm having a hard time coming around by life right now. Because of all the drama would cause and maybe in crazy. Or? Should I cut her out of my life. I'm a maid of honor. She's getting married this year for context. She has cheated on her fiance before with another man. The mess the messages, my man. For context, she has cheated on her fiance before with another man, then messaging my man and physically cheating with different men, both happened about five months before she got engaged. Her fiance supposedly knows about both Conveniently see there's a lot like that's not totally kosher here, but I will say I I'm tempted to give her the benefit of the doubt about the private profile sunglasses and a hat on and her not knowing that she was talking to your man I think that that's a good possibility that that's true I don I also just wouldn't trust someone like this around future relationships because she. She obviously has no real respect, right or relationship or otherwise he doesn't even respect her own so I would definitely be trepidation of her in general, but I actually think that she might have not known that she was talking to your man, so she thought she was talking to a random person that happens to be her roommate's boyfriend yet like the the roommate's boyfriend. Reach out to. Her because he knew her, but she didn't realize that this was his instagram. I don't know it's a touchy Westbrook a little too convenient. She's obviously toxic I. It doesn't matter right you got. To. Keep out arms legs periods so whether she did or she didn't i. just like to give people the benefit of the doubt any to believe that people aren't as bad as as they can be so. But sometimes they are regardless I've just arm's length arms like six feet Bart Someday when Moshe! Speed Apollo emotionally six feet apart physically emotionally mentally spiritually definitely art our final, dear toasters. Hello, ladies first off, thank you so much for so providing loads of premium content during these quarantines your, thank you for your appreciation. That means a lot, so the story sounds insane, but my friend. Let's call her. Jane Insane recently ended a five year engagement with a man twenty one year old years older than her. Luckily it happened just before quarantine, so she got out and was able to move home. She now lives with her mom, her mom's boyfriend, who never married just for personal reasons, but they call him Stepdad and her mom's boyfriend son in the stepbrother. Josh so on Easter, she base times me and informs me that she has kissed her stepbrother when she was tipsy. At about it Dan. Yes, by the way, so share Josh also. Her ex fiance's mother passed away from Corona virus complications, so he reached back out for her comfort, etc, and they ended up having phone sex that took place on Monday and Tuesday after Easter Service See. This girl has lot going on. Then she based times. Be on Thursday to chat about all of this because she's emotionally confused and informed me that she not only had these facetime sessions with her ex right after his mom died. Died and she kissed her stepbrother, but then she tells me that Wednesday. She gave her brother hand job, and he fingered her so high school. Ll while the way this is written is crazy. She keeps asking me what I think she should do. And I keep saying to stop hand fucking your stepbrother, but she is starting to catch feelings, but also her relationship beforehand was toxic, so she needs to Nocco back to that either. I'm not sure what advice I need to give besides like what the fuck do I tell her I just thought. This story was actually insane. And that you get a kick out of it during to your toasters, because it is one of the most insane stories I've ever heard I'm happy to provide updates. If needed love you guys and thank you both stay safe during this times. Sincerely incest is not best. There are two things going on here. A relationship with the ex boyfriend, who terrible that his mom passed away from coronavirus, like absolutely awful and I get that. She wanted to be there for him like in Riverdale when. A. Dad got shot like ronca thought it'd be helpful to get in the shower with him on some people just need comfort during times like that and I. Don't necessarily fault her like she shouldn't go back to that toxic relationship, even though like obviously needs someone right now. It just it can't be you. With the stepbrother like I don't. That's problematic I know, but maybe we're also like I. don't see by problematic either, but that's just because of the examples that have been set forward to me like by entertainment programming, so share auch Serena, and Dan even Betty Jug had because their parents were dating and they were dating. That's not incest, but no, but that's exactly what's happening here. They're parents are together. They're not getting married. Even they got married. It doesn't change the blood. Their parents dating people have been together for fifteen years. I think she said okay, but like it's still. It's a family, but you know what they could be family on to friends. You know what he does not bring craziest thing I've ever heard, and you know what this is her OTP. This is so cute so cute by the way first of all, there's some there's a huge difference between taking your mom's boyfriend. Son and your Stepdad son, but they're not married, but they call him step. That doesn't make him their step dad, but they call him so. Biologically, he's not your stepbrother and legally. He's not your brother, so he's just the guy. Who's living in your house is looking for love. Yeah, no I I think this is an interesting way to have met someone. Speaking of there's this new trend on Tiktok where it's like, and it went like and the people talk about like how they met their significant others, and it's so random where it's like her mom's a professor and she went to study abroad with her, and there was like one of the other teachers bringing their son, and that's how they met, and this is I feel like one of those stories like a whirlwind romance yeah. It's definitely not. Conventional but love what it's hard. To. Love isn't conventional. You guys and I think that's what you should take from this episode. I think so too, but definitely get back. Don't encourage her to get back with the toxic. No overhead also a five year engagement like. It's done, but he needed you during that time, and you're there for him facetime sex, and for that you served a purpose, and that was the right thing to do. Yeah, no I'm not even bent out of shape about that. Even if he like even if you guys were just XS, and there wasn't the factor of him going through tragedy and grieving like you can have. Sex with your ex during quarantine harmless harmless. So those are two your toasters again. If you ever WanNa right, and we always keep it anonymous, and you can write us about anything, so it's deere toasters gmail.com we appreciate all the entries, and that's our show anything else. Nope, that is all she wrote. I. See her. She's typing away. You I see her as handwriting this. A twenty-first-century, you're all oh interesting. Yes. 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#118 - James Charles ENDS Tati & Jeffree Star

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#118 - James Charles ENDS Tati & Jeffree Star

"Mr James Charles age, nineteen. Once crowned prince of cosmetics, he soon found himself to be a boy on the brink after the Bengal, tiger of beauty Taty Westbrook. Seized upon her pray with a swift hand of avarice. He was quickly left cold in a shallow grave, while the masses in his doomed commune departed for other glam guru shores his tested, turn to Muir, turn to fiery rebellion rising from the ashes with a list of receipts Mr Charles broke the dams and unleashed, a torrential flood of T upon an unsuspecting world. How did he do it? Where is Taty now this is not about money at all? Jiffy star even here inserted myself into something publicly that I shouldn't have these are just some of the questions, you might find in the H threes. Hello, everybody, and welcome to the HT podcast here with my beautiful lovely host Ila. Of course, we've got the guys in back everybody having a good time. Everybody's enjoying the T how you guys feel today. You're doing good. Yeah. Greg. Thank you. And of course, guys, I just wanted to say shredders looking very cute today. He's also joining the tea because this week this month has been a t t Pakalitha. There's been the T Pakalitha. It's been unbelievable. Now, I think a lot of people are moved on passed this James Charles thing, but I'm not moving past yet. Because since we made our last video James has responded with receipts as they say, got him like the biggest t- drama channel ever. We're gonna have to revert after this with this, caviar per permanent identity. Let's just have fun with it. Yeah. Let's well, we can't, you know, James, Charles came back with all this evidence showing that Taty was super manipulative, if downright lying about a lot of stuff, and then jet Jeffrey star starts coming in and calling. How track of Jeffrey star comes in starts calling James, a danger to society, pedophile a predator. And I think we all we can't really let this go because Jay, these two guys were accusing James of such heinous actual crimes. They will not only wanted to destroy him. They wanted to send him to jail. And now all of a sudden, when James responds with all this proof that they're lying. They to those two guys are all all the sudden about peace and harmony, and love, you know, guys I could totally bring the receipts. But I think it's time. I think it's time that we just step back and grow up. That's like Jeffrey stars video. Yeah, I bet you healing. Yeah, I bet your ass would like to do some healing. You know, so I gotta I gotta say my piece for James Charles, who came writing on the T Rapids soaked. He lost. So many subscribers. He's back now. He's back in the screen and Taty is in the red actually she just posed to video. I'm curious she posted on old video. She had prerecorded and I'm curious if if she's gaining or losing as a result of that, just say unrelated video related. She said, hey guys. I have this, I want to, you know. Yes, she. That's what I wanted to see. I'm not. And you know what? I'm not a beauty guru. I'm not here for peace. Love and positivity. I'm here for tea, and I want to see people die with actually podcast. He podcasts all the teapot. This is the T podcast because I feel like Taty. She's trying to she's turned a weasel her way out of this now that it's completely backfired on her and she supposed to like this old shit. Dan, could you pull up her? Tweeden read it to us. And I'm so glad to see people are not down with that. But the thing that really bothers me, and I think the most psycho person out of this, the most problematic, there's anyone that this actual dangerous society. That's coming out this. It's Jeffrey star. I don't know anything about this guy. I don't know why people like him, but his involvement in this is actually shameful embarrassing dangerous, and he didn't even apologize to James. He only wanted to save his own ass. You only did in a way the con- comply. Lamented himself. Right. Whereas like I'm owning to my mistakes before going any further. And I'm gonna be the better one here and just by call. Yeah. When it should be like, no. And I'm Paul guys to James, but we're gonna get into all that. You guys can draw your own conclusions. But Jeffrey star is someone that in my opinion, seems like a dangerous lunatic, and while, but Totti's, again the brunt of it as well. She should you know, so guys, not only that, okay, we've got this phase lawsuit of one of phases. Biggest members is suing phase for predatory contract. We've got Jake Paul calling Cody co for being a cyber bully. We've got game of thrones being the worst show of all time. Yeah, we're gonna get to all that, and more here at the H T pot podcast podcast. The teapot, don't say if you say off by itself, we get democratized Susan busted that door like the Kool aid, man and function. Chokes me out. Yeah. Careful your where you after Taty latest tweet that came along with this. Yeah. Well, she said, she's posting on video, because she wants to heal and prayed, right? Yeah. It's it's been two weeks since we played with we play in may two weeks looked at me. I miss you all, I've just posted a video film three weeks ago. I hope it provides a little escape in a little happiness. I'll get back to filming new video soon. Love you all so much. Don't like she such a phony? Let's go. But before we get into all that. Oh, and thank you to our sponsors third love. Capterra and express VPN the truly the greatest guys. I wanna give them Cup of tea and love our sponsors. But first guys wanna ask you the ultimate question because we're about to get some tears serious tea. And I thought I break it up you ever catch poop in your hand before sponsors toilet. Okay. Because we had a lot of poop said that really quick. Yes. Let me show you. Okay. Take depresseed. Not a regular question. We've talked about pooping habits on the show lot before to a lot of people's dismiss the can handle people don't like it. I personally I like it. What can I say? It is my show. After all, we've pretty much exhausted, the conversation that isn't too. I saw this clip recently on the internet. Now, if this guy's kidding is up for debate just my hunch, is that he's not, because one he never corrects the record. You never set because you don't want people believing that you shouldn't your hand, so he's no reason to lie about it or to joke, and he never he never backpedals and his he surprised that nobody else knows what he's talking about. And the same way that when I first learned the people wiped from the back or when I lifted my balls, and I was like, nobody knows what I'm talking. So it rings very true to me. With that being said, let's watch touch before. Tissue of shit every single day you shit, but you'll wipe yourself got shit in the tissue. You wipe yourself get. Why are you touching? This shit is the shit. Do grab Shimao now saying that you don't. Yeah. You grab the heat on. Why are you grabbing? Dear let the to fall in the toilet. Don't catch every time. I love. I love that mate, letting the doodoo fall boil it is crazier than shitting in your hand. I don't know how that. Lee, bro. How much see this she ro? Mush it all these years. I can't continue talking about my stomach. Just sit the shit, right? Come right out. No way. Got the runs. They something like that. What do you do that you wash here? Why people watch the? I'm dan. Hambro with his you. Interesting. So here's what I think this guy, I think, is trying to solve a problem, which when you when you poop in the toilet the splash. Yes. Now. You can instead of putting it on your hand put it in the oil it. No, I have a friend in college who taught me that because I always was having water splashing on my ass. And he I really do. Oh, him a gracious favorite, because he's taught me if you take the cover or toilet paper and you put it in the toilet, you will not split without splash. And that really did change my life. I never thought about shitting my hands prevent that because that's the whole point is to avoid shit or water touching. You. Yeah. So that I've never heard of anyone. How do you even catch it? You're just like that the whole time. Yeah, just shits. He probably puts the paper over his hand, but he made it sound like shit. Always touch his hand. He's like shit, you shit every day. That's why we wash our hands. Pretty incredible stuff. But I think it's a testament to really the diversity of, of methods I think that's not what I would recommend. But I'm but again, I'm you know there's diversity of method. I Don think he was hitting. No. I don't think so. I don't think so either he's a guy that guy that guy like carbs up. So he's probably taken some shots. I can't imagine putting diarrhea in your hand handle you watch your hand. Yeah. That's one reason you know, that shares, one reason, a lot of the comments on this video where like he could come the next day and make a statement that it was drawing and that it was not drawing. And I would still think something's up like. I don't know if I said that, right? Yeah. No. You see, I'm I was going to say the opposite. I'm my reaction is if he comes out and says he was just kidding. I'm a believe that guy shits in his hand. So like I'm on the spectrum. I think just because it's so unreal. But I think that's a man whose parents just failed him like he was he's like a feral child who was raised by wolves, like he was put it in a bathroom. And as a child, let's say you're five years old, and you're just learning to shit. You see toilet paper you see a toilet and you kind of just got to figure it out for yourself. And then all of a sudden, you're like, well, I'm gonna put the toilet over my hand. I'm gonna show. You know, we have we're ways of fairy. That's why we need guidance. That's why we need our elders are our elders to guide us through this world for this life to show us, how things are done because otherwise, we end up shooting on our hand like this guy. So I see this as a failure of his parents. I see this as a beautiful diversity of activity in the bathroom. We actually did a poll last night. To find out how many people lot of respondents, fifty three thousand respondents, so for almost fifty four, so we asked our viewers for the podcast tomorrow, and please be honest. This is a rigorous scientific Twitter poll. Remember, these are all enormous votes. Do you catch your poop with T P, obviously, otherwise? You know what is it for animals? Yes. So it doesn't splash in the bull. So me, I'm no never a can't you kidding me? It's not letting me see the results, Dan. I just read them off to you. The polls not closed actually. So now but once you vote, you can see the well, I'll read it off to you. It's seventy eight percent. No. Never ten percent a decent chunk. I have once or twice. And then we got four percent whenever I am able to eight percent every time, don't let you look like those troll with us, whenever I'm able to even meet. You know, when the option is available something, you know what if there's no toilet paper. Sure, I guess. But I feel like there is actually maybe ten percent. I think that is truthful somewhere around the ten percent. Actually poop like that. Yeah. There's one Representative of that group on this. Screw. Okay. I knew when I put this pull out. The Zack is gonna somehow involved sack top talk. I do. I do not shit my hands. I did have an event over the beginning of this week that this week this week. That's okay kid, I know it's a coincidence. So it's going to get graphic. So I, I was constipated, right. And there was this one piece come out. So I tried to make my, my own Squatty potty, put my feet up on the trash can like just was not coming out. So I took a baby wipe. Tried to pull it out and it came out. So does that count. Okay. Extract. That's just yeah. That's you being paid it from you need some Metamucil or something at your age that ain't right? And. Madam you, you yanked to shit at your asked us all the same. I've been since the pregnancy. I've been constipated but I started taking Metamucil and I'm fine. Did it works? I take it with every meal like three to four those capsules, and it's so it's amazing. Get them as a sponsor. That's come. Can you reach out to them, Dan or the ruler? Actually October agencies already talking about this. I've also I, I don't need baby wipes anymore. You still use it. You end with lines on the why because you don't need any. Kristalina say, yeah. Right. Right. Right. Like every time it's like the clean wipe. It's unreal. Goes poop. Yeah. Well, so I always end with a wet one. That's my f-. Ethelson life. But I it's definitely helped because before there was times before I would even go to three four wet ones, because it was so nuclear. No. Yeah. I know. So I, I can't George that product now everyone else who's waiting for us to talk about. James, Charles got a gym massive poop conversation. Let's move on. Okay. I am proud of James Charles because his apology video, he came out with was kind of pathetic. It was kind of sad and slow and sloppy, he was jet lagged to his industraliazed flying back. And I thought that was it. But boy, this glam guru, he put on his makeup. He came out glamorous as hell. And he went to war with these bitches. And I couldn't be proud of him that he stood up for himself. They shut this whole drama down, and basically expose them for what they are a lot of us in the community had suspicions. That Taty was a little nutty. A lot of this stuff didn't add up, Why's it? Thirty seven year old woman trying to destroy a nineteen year old who she considers herself a mother of and like that were just a bunch of little accusations, but nothing concrete stuff like, oh, talking about personal shit like, oh, I was at with your parents, and your inappropriate from them. Okay. You hit on straight boys. Okay. Oh, you promoted my competitor. But it's not about that. Also, here's a Lincoln the description. Even though it's not monetize. Okay. I'll tell you what, by the way before we get into it. I made a nice little she may not have monetize her video. But she sure as hell did monetize, our video. She claimed are highlight. And by the way, I gave her ample opportunity to rectify, the situation, I gave her a week to drop it before. I brought it up on Twitter, but she frigging claimed are highlight. Like hello. I know that, that that's an can be an accident the claim. But I dispute it, I gave her a week to resolve it before. I said anything because of the beautiful corporatism. She has a month to sit on it a month. Sorry, I got a kid on the way I'm trying to get paid. I gotta give you a month. So she says it was an accident. Okay. We'll let me ask you this then. How do you accidents? Maybe you know, the answer this Ila. How do you accidents file a DMCA because another person who made a video about her? She filed a DMC, a takedown strike added video removed that you don't do accident, right? No manual manual, and you are very, very, very much aware of what you're doing. No, sir weird. So I smell a little bit of also censoring situating trying to control. You know, once those tweets went up drop both of them. She dropped course. Because glam she doesn't know what she's dealing with. She doesn't understand. She's, she's on one part of the community. She's with the tea ladies and they are, they are monsters, the community channel. She is no about us. We're monsters what I say, community commentary. She doesn't know about the monsters on the other side of the pond, which is the, the, you know, commentary community. There's one cardinal sin and the commentary champ community, do not claim and most of don't fly or strike. It doesn't matter what they say. It doesn't matter how they say it if you strike video or claim video, you have committed the cardinal sin and mask off. And scare off. So she kind of I don't know man. To Taty you're done. I don't like her man. She's a phony. Now, let's go over James's video here a little bit step-by-step, let me show, you how thoroughly viscera video on the sugar bear conspiracy. Let me show you this excerpt will start here from the top Coachella somehow security issue, and magically sugar here is there with a contract in hand to save the day for you in all of your friends. No company would ever go out of their way to have extra, you know, handful of passes that cost thousands of dollars a piece, first of all, that is such function if anyone would it would be a big company, and they will give it to anyone, it would be someone big like James, the biggest, you know, nobody would have do these people have like million dollar partnerships thousands of dollars, all of a sudden thousands of dollars, you have a thousand drawers behind you. Thousand dollars. Nobody has that kind of money, you know, such a stupid point. Like if we were trying to go anywhere, let's say there's three here or whatever those events, and you're trying to get the kids, you would get it from a brand people or how do you even get it? So stupid. Like just in case out leads me to believe that this was orchestrated beforehand, but he had motion conflict. So she's got this whole conspiracy theory that James says that on the spot he wanted a artists pass and she goes over really. That doesn't make any sense. You clearly conspiring with them beforehand, because who would have who would have extra passes? Yeah. No. Also, the moon doesn't exist. Yeah. No, you explained that he decided to go to the second weekend. All him all. Let him explain it to me and promises he made to me behind the scenes. So he had to come up with very clever story and didn't tell this to you after the little bit was posted clever story talked to said in her video, this whole situation does saying big scheme was God's it really did happen on the spot. The secretary her team tax proposal right away. Nobody was involved and with no time to negotiate and panicked. I. Signed, by the way, he I love James. Now, I'm fan and the first one is appalled video. He's like I am so like he's talking so slow. And then when he's on the war, he's like girl. I'm like, whoa. I love it. And it's forty minutes like an exactly of like a roller coaster James Charles, he had nine days after Coachella to talk to me on Monday, April twenty second, which was one day after Coachella. I was due to post my stories case on my contract and up until that moment, I honestly, had not thought about the fact that Taty was sugar Beheira competitor. And in that moment I thought that as a friend that she deserved a courtesy to let her know the context sponsorship, and everything that was going on to not even get a phone call to not even get a text few days prior. But right after that sponsored post went up to have a tech Blake. Hey, mom, love you stressed just a, you know, XYZ just did this post, but it's no big before. Posting stories. I actually did text Hoti I out of respect for hurry heads up about the sponsorship, I can't read all these basically explain the entire situation. I want to let you know. No. That I have to post Sugar, Boy, or Sterry today, they say, Coachella yada, yada, yada. She said this breaks my heart whatever yet, but he did tell her before, also, don't be so insecure about it. You'd probably if nobody's buying your product, it's not because he did one story about sugar bear. This is your product sucks. It's one story and it did a few for her, too. So what's the diff do more, if you guys are friends, and whatever, that's, like Ella divorcing, because I'm wearing a supreme shirt. And trying to destroy my career. Just. Direct apology. While the receipt says they contract obsolete can read those. There was no getting out of it, then headed to the airport and took off on a flight to San Francisco by the time that had landed one hour later, touchy uploaded, Oliver Instagram stories of her crying talking about the community that haven't really supported her house. She was alone how she felt very, very hurt and betrayed quickly people to into together and realize that this was clearly about me, and I started getting thousands and thousands of tweets and comments tax about the whole situation, the next several hours, I made countless attempts. Text both Taty and her husband, James and many phone calls as well trying to reach them, all of which they do not respond to in later on that night while sitting in my hotel in San Francisco, because I could not respond to issue, a public apology directly on Instagram because there you go the what she says, happened is wildly wildly different than what actually happened, and he's got the receipt sisters. Right. So there you go line. Number worse. He saw. She said that he never reached out. Never did anything. All he did was supposed to story that only happen after days of trying to contact her. Her husband, because she had already snapped it was like I'm gonna destroy this little bitch for daring to make an Instagram story about one of my competitors. And he does explained before this part that age is, basically decided to go to the second weekend point tenuously. So they bought the tickets, but the VIP like many people can buy anyone it wasn't enough. So that's why it was stuck like that. Yes. That makes sense. And he, he knew the one percent, of course, one of his friends, he knew got a Bax are artists passes from this company sugar bear. And so he says, hey can you put me in touch? I wanna see if I can get artists pass because it's really rough for me here, and they do have Artis past who has who excuse me, who has extra passes and he got up through them. I would've done the same thing. They wanna give it to me, but I would have tried like who's who? Girl, can I get artists passes who sorry, they'd be like to me, who has extra passes? So now next up. So that whole that whole BS now wake. It's really bad. These accusations of him praying on straight men. Okay. Were were one of the most compelling and troubling things. And here's when he addresses them, it mostly hinges on that accusations of this waiter, Sam, who James met. The hell tuned in to the drama. Are you impressed? I'm tuned then as well. So. Yeah. I mean, look at me I'm like a fifteen year old girl all over so James went out with Taty on her birthday dinner, there's a cute waiter or bartender something that James his flirting with IT contact. Okay. And then in the video, she's like what is wrong with you? He's straight, and you are forcing yourself on him. And making him seem like he's really a predator. Well, the DM show, and this is really fascinating Jeffrey star. This was one of his main points with saying that James is a sexual predator danger to society, because this guy, Sam, he locked in his hotel room, and wouldn't leave even though he knew he was straight. Well, listen to James talk about a year telling me about a situation that happened in Seattle at my birthday, and it literally made me want to vomit, all my God, you tried to trick straight man into thinking he's gay yet again and somehow you're the victim, you know. It's really disgusting to manipulate someone's sexuality, especially when they are still emerging into adulthood, James, by the way nineteen nineteen. Right. Twenty yesterday a merging into adulthood from the twenty seven year old lady shut up and everything figured out. You are using your fame. Your power your money to play with people's emotions. Can you're doing that to have them behave sexually in your favor, even if they're straight? And you know what? That's not. Okay. And how dare you laugh about it and make me after me tweeden this than that. I look straight boys. I love straight boys and. Is not normal. It's not okay cracking someone sexuality is not an escape room, first of all, I'm a nineteen year old virgin, I talk about boys quite a lot of my social media networks, clearly at this point virgin mean being gay, by the way, I was wondering. No, no. But stuff does that mean that he's never had a stick, like like no oral stuff with that make you still virgin? I don't think so. But I think I Nope. Inner court. No, no, no. How would you say penetrate? No penetration either receiving or giving. That's my guess that's my guess is well, but it's I think it's kind of. I gotta these. Sorry, guys. Sorry, shutter. So but I thought it was kind of endearing how came out. He's like, listen. I'm virgin. Yeah. Do we have to take a break, then two minutes? Let's just do them. We'll continue on with this man. He shuts this down. He shuts it down. I mean I love this. When I watched this video, I was like, yes. Queen Taty is I don't like her from the first minute. And now I'm sure of it. 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Where were we let's, let's hear James himself talking about that a little bit. I promise you, but just thought it would bring it up put out to the universe. I don't really get a lot of action. We have probably guessed this at this point. So that being said, I have never and wit never and will never use my fame money or power to manipulate or get any sexual actions from a guy that is disgusting. It is not me and the fact that Taty brought this up blows my mind because she knows the real story. The story that we're talking about here is a situation that happened when I was in Seattle, four talk to surprise party with the boy named Sam now, I'm going to tell you the full story since everybody seems to be leaving out literally every single detail in doctors video. She mentioned that she was disgusted at how to apologize to her. Family for me, apparently, saying things that I wanted to do to aware, and then justifying those actions by saying, I am a celebrity. Okay. This literally did when I heard her say that I even thought that must be a joke. Yeah. She's like in her and her retailing. She goes, I was like James, you can't say that he's straight. And do you know what he said to me? It's okay, I'm famous and even in her bitchy tone. I was like that sounds like a joke. You know. You know. And sure enough, what did happen. Is that meet Jeffrey Nate to my best friend drew, all what is Seattle to surprise Tati for her birthday February fourteenth that night, we went out to dinner with that with Dave and her whole family and interesting? There was a cute boy across Russia that making contact with and that I was interested in and the conversation of dating for me every both of the dinner table. And we were talking about it for a very, very short period of time to conversation never got inappropriate period. The boy, there was involved with the story is named Sam. Now when I originally wanted to do this video addressing everything I did plan on crossing his name and keeping him completely private, but he ascends come out the video of his own talking about the situation Taty leaving out many, many details. But in his video screens, I have Santa that he was perfectly fine and found the flirting Di was doing flattering, so I'm not really sure why this turned into something much bigger. But simply was not in use looking at me later on that night. He started talking about me me, if I had a Ballantyne, this is this was on Valentine's, where he especially thought that was very attractive, and he wanted to get my phone number and all that. But the wait staff, my restaurant did let that happen, he left and it kind of talks about the celebrity thing is really incredibly frustrating to me because this is an inside joke between my friends and I taught he has also participated. Taty is even participated in he said, what Taty is this, the family number literally ten, people have this number feel special always d do while you're so famous? Something far worse than what it is. This is the joke that really is where we say, I'm famous not. I must liberty and that we don't say in public often because without context, I get it looks and sounds really, really trust me, literally famous, it's almost anything good. So your video does. Well, one day my friends was like, oh, my God. James are so famous but literally by FrontEx instrument, and it is so frustrating that she turned innocent and funny inside joke that she has participated in into something so beyond disgusting. I'm going to make a long story, very short the next day Samson into by DM's. I we start getting this guy. He's the one that messaged James. Yeah, he said that basically at the moment it didn't know who James was. And then he went and talked to sister, something famous. And the sister was like, oh, you should messaging back. And then I guess, basically you message Dame. And he told him that is by and was interested. Well, there you have it. That's not at all what they said. And now he's making videos about. It's like you gotta feel almost I feel bad for James because it's like do out here trying to just find someone to be involved with romantically. And this, you know, he goes on with his life, this guy DM's him out of the blue because his sister told me is famous, so then they hook up. He sells them. He's by they go and hook up. And now all of a sudden, not only that guy talking about it, but everyone's calling him a sexual predator breeding on a strike. I mean it's insanity talking about today by flirting with him the night before here. Sorry about last night, very attractive than I was this. It's very flattering, actually a few minutes conversation about sexuality, and he told me straight up that he was by sexual God. You tried to trickle straight me into thinking. He's gay there is no straight men being manipulated. There you go. Taty what the F? And I guess he goes on also to show a lot of faked situations that started to show up on Twitter. Oh, yeah. People were fabricating. Yeah. Just straight up that happened to me, once during my big drama when everybody hated us. I guess those people still do hate us. But. But somebody what did they do? They follow. Yeah. People were photo shopping that I blocked them. Yeah. Because I never blocked people on Twitter. I never ever blocked people into it, or I don't think I have one person blocked, and then this guy Photoshop that blocked him. I was like that's so weird. I he almost fooled me. I went to his Twitter account, and it was like, oh, the guy's not blocked or he's not blocked or muted or anything, I've never interacted with them. So I've seen that first hand people do that. It's crazy. And it's creepy, and it's weird. But they do it. I've seen it firsthand myself. It's just so. And then the, the weird thing is like a drama channel start picking up on it and reporting it that's when it gets really, really strange. Problem is when the story gets picked up and everyone just here's the first version, and then that's what stuck in their head. And then it's really hard to go on actually convince people that way, that's not the actual story. There's more to it or whatever people don't care that point. That's kind of why I insisting on making this podcast because the gut reaction was that James must die, Totti's the Queen, she's the glam life guru. And so now that the dust is settled, I will need to go back and cut of re-explore this because the your first reaction is like oh, and then you move on, because you don't care does interesting. And that happens all the time. I mean now the were the updates about pro Jared. Yeah station. There's been a lot of, of dip of twists and turns in the pro Jared thing that so much I do wanna report on again, but I'm kind of waiting for the dust to settle. We've been following closely though. It's just becoming like hard to tell this point because there's so much to each side. The and all of a sudden, the girl said that her husband faded on her apparently was pushing him to do or you know to it. Now, it's like how can you go? Yeah. Yeah. And was saying, and text messages that she was going to destroy life. Yeah. So you know I got a burger. Jeez. So yeah, this stuff happens man. So now here's another part. I'm just kind of moving along here. They're trying to do I reach out to many different friends for advice. So here he is get trying to get Totti's advice about this specific I. So he's by he's reach out to James. He's interested. He mess. He texts. Taty says, hey when are you going to come home? I want your advice Sam. That's the waiters flying to LA on Saturday. She says, what I know we've been talking every single day. She says you're supposed to hook up with the waiter not marry him. That's Taty who made a video saying that you're manipulating straight boys who actually knows the whole situation. I mean, what the hell that's, that's the most damning perp to your on your encouraging. That is just. A bold faced lie. That's just manipulating people when you know, absolutely better. It's cra-, but it goes on continues on gets even worse. There was one in my kitchen. We're taught to yet James and Gabriel all came over and I told them to save exact syringe the savings screen shots to all of you guys just saw of him saying, I'm by. Like said in her video Taty and teams actually did have a heart to heart conversation with me about the boys that I get involved with they told me the talking to curious guys was going to continue to get me hurt and that, also it could look really, really bad from an outside perspective, if somebody tried to manipulate the situation and for me, this is a major major wake up call that I took to heart because honestly had never thought about it any other way. Because I knew that everything that was doing was always consensual between both me and the boy, eight hundred seats toback it up. But I wish I knew at the time that taught his advice was relieved a warning. Yes. Someone else may which was telling my story with not tells no facts and no proof, and twisted around, and now a serious allegations have surfaced that could permanently which career love that. She warns him which, which makes me think that she's been thinking about this, how to weaponize this for a long time, but you gotta love that she, she's the one that ended up using it against him. I mean, with friends like these who needs enemies, right? My goodness. Judas judas. Guru get GRA. Gam life damn life clam life. I could tell looking at her the way she just sits there. You know. She man, she's an over. I gotta say, I respect James and you, you made a point about you think that what he was doing was borderline. I do think he has a lesson to learn here when what it was doing because that the, the situation was like it, there was consent from Sam. So I'm not saying that he did anything wrong. But it is pushing a little bit of a problematic thing when you're a celebrity, let me just say what happened Sam went over to his hotel room and they made out in his hotel for an hour. And then he left. That's what happened. Yes. And then he kinda basically kept talking to him from what I understand. And it sounds like he's kinda confused about a security, Sam and. It away. I just got the feeling that because he said, like at first, I didn't know who he was with my sister was like, oh, it's James Charles, you should respond, and I feel like that kind of pushes you into a situation that may be otherwise you weren't going to go into. And I think James needs to be aware of that. I think it's important lesson for him at learn. And as he said, and he, he received it. Yeah. Yes. Because you are not just another guy you are also famous and therefore you have the power to influence people. More than someone else would be us. Sadly he is as he said a nineteen year old virgin. So I mean, golly, you know, it's tough to be mature about those things at that age. But I think you make a great point. But then the way that she twisted on him. She's on one hand, giving him the advice he needs and then on the other hand weaponising against them. I mean who are you what, actually, who are you? You know, I mean it's, it's shameless. It's totally shameless. I'm glad he really explains it. Well, and I'm glad he did because from his point of view after that video came out. He must have just been like flabbergasted and to see his sub count dropping by the millions and to be able to still put himself together make this video love it. You go girl. I actually think he made a really poignant point really fence. Unwanted attention. And the conversation to a halt immediately. Do take full responsibility for sending these messages. And this situation has definitely taught me that sending messages that are so for direct like this are unacceptable, and I know he was criticized for sending straight men or boys in general be like, hey, you're hot stuff like that. So he's responding to that accusation, moving forward a few different guys that I've talked in the past offense came forward with their stories, or screen shots coversations that I have about saying that I made them feel uncomfortable and reading some of them, honestly, felt really, really bad every to all the boys directly and apologized to them for my actions. But as I've been those few guys people are treating hush James Charles over party as an open invitation to the narrative with lies, which is only harmful to me, but it's also creating very, very dangerous stereotypes on that Hugh, plus community, for example are Larsen. Who's a pretty big singer tweeted saying that I message her boyfriend multiple times knowing he was straight, and this tweak almost half a million likes before it was deleted in her defense. She did leader on say there was only one message but it was way too late because the media had already been it. You can see the messages. You're really hot. Thing that I was harassing straight men and wouldn't leave him alone. How do I know? He was dating are Larson. I clearly never would've message him in the first place, but this is all very hypocritical. Can three this is house are Larson found her boyfriend. I'd like to think this is a great point. He makes here that I actually need to acknowledge when you go back and find that tweet by known that he was dating Larson. I clearly never would've message changes so long, but this is very hypocritical considering she said, who are you where do you live? How old are you? Why are you so fine? How do you like your eggs cooked in the morning? She said to him, by the way that work there. Dating. Now. Thirsty is hell God damn. So. Larsson found her boyfriend. I'd like to question to you, the audience and ask why is it? Okay, for czar, Larsen A woman with a public forum to tweet these photos of Shirley's band, and say, who are you where do you live, how old you are you so fine? How do you like your ex cooked in the morning but for me as a gay man, to DM the same person in private with a simple compliment, is, predatory these stereotypes are on gay men have been and continue to be very harmful to the community at have been historically, used to Vilnai's gay men in society someone completely fabricated, or eight point actually do think so. You know, you, you go girl, good point peanut gallery. Do you guys agree? Yeah. Definitely. I mean he's right. I mean that's been a thing for as long. I've been alive of, like, you know, gay men are going to force themselves on, you or come after you, or whatever. And it's bullshit. And yeah. I mean like you said, I mean, giving somebody a single compliment in a private message is not remotely fucking predatory. I mean that happens every day, it's a little ski it's for hub games, Charles to be like, hey, wow. You're so hot. We'll be like what? But, but he had knowledge that. But you brought up of him being famous that does change the dynamic. That's true. It's different than just, you know, a strike bubble, what she did was like way beyond what he did parking. We're doing a show here, shredder so anyway, that, that pretty much shredded you wanna go outside. We're doing a show for Christ's sake, so that pretty much closes, what I had to say about Taty. And I think that shredded what, what are we doing? Here. You ruining our show. Teatime. There's not gonna so that closes the book on Taty and I have to say it was I, I mean he really came with the receipts with all the proof. And then I love this. The reaction is always like guys. It's time for healing after they got called out because taught the actually tweeted, let me show you. Let's just put it all behind us. Yeah, exactly. Here's Totti's final statement. Not this one, she said. She had a really bitchy response to his video, when it first came out, she goes, I've left town on a digital break to heal and pray for healing on all sides. My family made me aware of what was just posted. And I'm disappointed to see it littered with so many lies and half truths. Okay. Well, first of all, you didn't watch it because your family told you that how do you, it's littered with half truths and lies? But, like, okay, I didn't see he, he provided proofed everything. He said she said I stand by my videos. Do not twist my words into what they are not hear the message. She said aka by the way, she deleted her original video, so she did not find it. In fact, she didn't even respond. But this is always the case, he comes with proof, and all of a sudden, she wants to take a break for an pray for everybody's healing doer member who broke this face to begin with Humpty Dumpty. Yeah. I stand by my video whatever she just kind of own it man. You got apologize him. Like, say you are bitter fairly apologize. Yeah. Just admit that you're bitter old hag. Okay. That's getting passed up by this young. He's the new a beauty guru now. And that breaks your heart just admit it. I think it's like I mean, I think James definitely deserves a lot of credit for is the nineteen year old. Yeah. Yep. Under such an attack any threat and a mini came out a lot more mature than the auto guys girl. He came out with his hair flowing. She's often praying vacation, she's praying for the healing of everyone. Yeah. And taking videos. So anyway, now let's move onto Jeffrey star. Who if anyone's danger to society has said it's him Jeffrey star. Okay. Let's see here where we begin with this guy. Man. On Monday base posted this tweet Twitter. He goes who has a draft folder full of tweets. They wish they could send out. I want to keep it. So real sometimes. But the behind the scenes in the beauty community. But I'll let karma do its work like it always does. Okay. Jeffrey starts getting talked at after this tweet and other ones from him and his friends, I decided to have an ask, if there was something going on that I should be aware of here pod. Any said that it was not about me, and that was about another brands stealing has ideas. This message was voice mental which has since disappeared from the screen Shaw, you'll just have to believe me, I have to at this point, even though he said it wasn't about me. I still asked to talk to him but he said he was unavailable. A few hours later getting ready for the MAC. I got this taxed from free concert, but, mostly really we definitely need talk soon tattoo Shane in few others told me, everything that you have said about me the last six months, I'm heartbroken discussing. So said here about everything, but shockingly, not surprised only been a great friend. You never said anything bad about you buying the scenes, which is. Not the case. I don't know about confused. Are we meeting together in private hopes to speak together and figure out the best understanding, but he didn't reply threes? Leaders total response to Senator a guy but he was not available to talk, I Shelley on may on may tenth hours before my schedule being reappearance where five thousand fans were already waiting outside as open up at four in the morning by my friend, because Tanti just uploaded a video titled by sister watching video. It was very clear tweet, my friend was still very hurt and even at Ardy public is both privately and publicly. I wanted to make the video right in narrow my raw and honest motion. But because the time difference, extra few hours to film, the video and get it up. And by the time I was about to hit publis I received at another taxed from, here's Jeffrey star. He says, are you going to respond to everything or pull a Manny two point? Oh, I'm not into to note that means when you so this is the same boy, he says, when you basically trapped Sam in your hotel, room, and Seattle psychologically forced him to stay and made him feel horrible. For their pennies you spent on the room. I knew something was terribly wrong with you. When Zach showed me, the snapshot message of you trying to force him to, like you and send him photos, it was completely horrified nece-, you use the same sentence as a rapist would use. He was so grossed out by your behavior. And the way that you tried to make him feel bad for not reciprocating the same feelings. One hundred percent consensual. He was absolutely not trapped at a hotel room, but Jeffrey also brings up Zach Zach is his boyfriend, Nate's brother and not that I not pursues quite dentis mainly straight. But it was actually Jeffrey who suggested that I talked to him in the first place. Eight brothers single and mainly strain alley. And by the way, when a gay guy refers to guys mainly straight, that's kind of a Dushi that's Jeffrey star, kind of being manipulative towards a straight guy to his gay friend being like he's mainly straight. You know, only if you maybe if you're famous and rich enough, you know, like fuck you Jeffrey star. For me. And he just moved here. We're zakian. I talked on south chat for maybe a total of ten southeast Buchan fourth reach other he was super super sweet. But it was very that he was not actually entrusted and the conversation sought before anything could even get remotely flirty at all with everything going on. I did not repeated a tax in the moment. A few days later on Monday. I woke up again, in the middle of the night from a phone call from my little brother who was very, very upset. He told me he tweeted saying, why do people so tough online about somebody from his hometown, who was bullying him? And Jeffrey star of all people had, quote, tweeted ends tweet saying, why is a predator wanted to really move back to New York City. Exactly. Shut the fuck up. Many Jeff Jeffrey tweeted this from nowhere to James's God. To his younger younger brother here. The guy just says, why does everyone act so tough over the internet? There's like a fifteen year old I don't know how old is Jeffrey stars. A grown ass, man. How old is Jeffrey star? Dan, he must be in his thirties. Sometime seven let me check guy click. He's eighty you guys looks like the crypt. Maybe I'm wrong. He's fifty seven one hundred seven thirty three thirty three. I made at my age. Right. So don't think I'm being ages here. But imagine me going to fifteen year old mining owned business say, why is your brother a predator? Why'd you really move back to New York City. Exactly. Shut the fuck up. What's. Okay. Who's a dangerous society again. Yeah. This guy's calling anybody out. How does this guy have fans? That's so true. How did people like that? Seventeen thousand people I don't understand Jeffrey star. How does this guy have fans? I mean, this is really troubling doc to New York City. Exactly shut the fuck. How do you talk? Jeffrey for bullying a kid, who had nothing to do with the situation, literally at all, and he deleted the tweet after this. I went to check my phone and notice that every texted me a few minutes prior, and I opened my phone to this. I really want to read this out loud, just so you all get to hear exactly what I had to read. Also, don't miss anything grazing on camera shortly to finally tell the world how you type to molest him and touch him in his sleep and made him uncomfortable for months. You sick motherfucker next. Zach will be going on camera to tell how twisted and sick. You're trying to get him to, like you, and then made him feel bad when he didn't want to send you photos back then at San from Seattle joining me and Cameron to talk about you trumping him in his hotel room. You need to be locked in prison for a very long time. You need the internet taken away from you. You are a danger to society as disgusting as day bringing up Grayson Dolan was pretty. Clever at the high of all these allegations stories going around both of the twins and followed me not wanting to be associated and started speculating that the rumors could be as to why all these fair weather, friends. I mean I'm blown away by everybody just dropped James on a dime, like the Dolan twins effort to not be associated with unfolded him on Twitter like what the fuck you bitches all these people. It's like Hello, STAN with your friends, man. At least figure it what happened. He says they reached out to him directly to see if he was okay, which is nice, but it's like God damn y'all. All. Vowed that aside from our preplanned collaborative jokes that have into the sisters went videos, increase in Florida and nothing ever happened between us. And when all this went down, I knew decker was lying because the twins were the first people to call me, and make sure that I was okay I already mentioned, and I still have no idea who the Cameron Jeffries referring to in this message, as but he also brought up Sam last. We also already talked about later on that day, though, Jaffe was rain. Sam did upload a video to his potential telling the whole story. He left out almost all the details and included in a legally recorded FaceTime, call, which was on may second told you to remember that, but even through all of this, he still middle. So anyway, Jeffrey star. So here, by the way, if you want someone who's a danger to society, look, what Jeffrey star tweeted out when he was twenty five years old, to a sixteen year old Justin Bieber. Who else wonders how big and tags him Justin bieber's? Dick is that's a twenty five year old man tagging sixteen year old child. Like the fact that he tagged him as even more disgusting. Like he wants Justin to know there's some creepy dude is, is creeping on him. Who was wonders? How big Justin bieber's dick is the fuck. Two thousand and ten. Then twenty five. I mean I'm blown away by that. There's a bunch of tweets. Let's see that so many straight boys naked that I think it is a lifetime achievement award. I wonder who's down to fuck tonight, three boys, where you at I like, straight men, not gay boys badly. Don't be a jerk. Yeah, exactly. So all the sudden. Calling the kettle black. I mean Jeffrey star is so psycho. It's scary. He even has Jimmy star even as a song about that industry poise. A lot of it. Your plea of. Yes. Yet. Great. Play you actually trying to make an actual musical for. This is a real temp that music. I wanna poor. Wait. Where's the fulled on? Yeah. Artists Jeffrey star album, plus dick surgery, slumber party. Here. I actually do really wanna find the layer in discord for your health. Thank you so much great. One. Yeah. I think we got sorry. Sorry, everybody I have to read the lyrics to this, this is way too good. Okay. Y'all ready for this is going to be good. Yup. I wanna boy, but you lips who doesn't care. I don't have his, I wanna boy, like me, but hotter. I eat out like Jeffrey Dahmer Oof, straight boys. I must confess wanna get under my dress. Give me kiss kiss. Give me a fist fist straight for, I don't think any Streep was gonna fish. All right. You want to hit from the front to the back. I wanna boy who take the blame put Ron Jeremy shame. I wanna boy under the sheets with pink stained bucks breathes you like. A blood stain. Off the tell their friends, they're getting it from both ends. He wants a boy with a blood stain in his underwear. Oh, no. This guy is dangerous, -ociety, anybody. All right. I heard enough. So for this guy to acts of God. Oh, no, no, no. We have multiple videos, playing panicking. Hold on, guys. Everybody just patient. Why? How many? Probably minimize. Close. I don't see it anywhere. Oh my God. Wait I still hear things. Are we good? Yeah. I got it. Please, please make it stop. So for Jeffrey star who says he wants straight boys with bloodstains in their underwear. Who when he was twenty five to Justin Bieber directly tagged him. I want I wonders how big Justin Bieber. Dick is to call James Charles problematic. Is really something to think deeply about or we looked at up. It was it was a sixteen year old Justin Bieber to yet. Yes. Sixteen year old Justin Bieber. He was twenty five at the time. I mean that to me is just I mean my goodness gracious. Not great. I don't understand the Jeffrey star stuff because that guy seems to me to be genuinely likes like well I don't get it. But okay, there you go have said enough about him. Let's see there's more. This is like the whole. Star. So then all of a sudden. This is how we response to, to James video. Make sure make missing anything here. Last, but not least Jeffrey posted this tweet claiming he had it say me since February and that Nate banned me from their home this call. And I just think it's really funny that Jeffrey brought this concern the fact that he's tweeted me twice and between February and now saying that he missed me. That's the only part that he said he's banned from his house, but in that period met these message saying he misses him. So after James posters video Jeffrey star says this everyone keeps asking me for my receipts. I have so much to say and some really sad disgusting things to show. You guys James stroz tried to mass manipulate you all today. When I show you proof. And why tweeted that tweet about him. You will all finally understand. Today show, the original tweet that he said, he's a danger to society, and everything taught, he said, is true. Here today. I think I got it here. No cut dammit. Maybe you guys can find it. Don't I had it? Maybe this is it. We know what it says we do. You just said it, right? Yeah. Basically, but. Let's see. Anyway. So, yeah, he said, he's dangerous -ociety and everything taught these videos. True he basically, you know, got involved. So now he said, I've got receipts. He's disgusting. And he tried to manipulate you accept, what happens next just like Taty. He puts out a video. Saying it's time to heal. Hello, everybody. The few weeks in the beauty some of our personal gonna take the high road. He doesn't apologize to James. He apologizes to his little brother, but he says, I have receipts and I will destroy you and also James actually defensive stuff, this guy's gonna take the high road and people actually buy it. Reason I know a lot of weight. Hold on. Hold on as plays. I'm gonna play straight boys. Got a we have to set the atmosphere care get gut. Go ahead. Jeffrey, where were you? On a lot of you. To get a lot of t- today, I know much better, right? Wondering what is Jeffrey star next much better? And I think that this will be one of the most important videos that ever vote. About ten days ago. Uploaded video about James Charles. Yeah. This is the real deal. And I think today, I would like to shed some light on the straight. From the mouth of the ass dating. Straight boys. I wanna put blood in their boxers conversation straight. Wanna put blood in their boxes. Don't tell anyone. For those. I'm so sorry. I was so matured. I shouldn't have gone a ball sorry, tried to destroy this, right. Young boy life and called him a sexual predator. Justin Bieber by the way, how big how big is your Justin Bieber when you're sixteen straight? Judik vetoing. This is giving me for those reasons. I thought it was funny. I'm in anyway. Totti's file remark? She says she stands by her video. I think where you show this. But in the end she stands by her video, and she's disappointed to see James's video littered with so many lies and half truths. Do not twist, my words here, my message, will you OBI wan here? My message shut up. Anyway, she raised her original video. So how much supposed to hear your words? If you raise your video. You know. In the end. I think this is a very valuable parable. You had some interesting things to say about kind of the danger of internet beef and hate mobs today, how people are just so quick to judgment. Yeah. Just feel like it's been so crazy in with Twitter for some reason, it's like wildfire. It just spreads. So fast and everyone hears about it. And then, like I was saying earlier, like no one really Kerr's to follow up and actually hear the full story once both sides, you know, tell their stories. So it's really dangerous. It is. I mean there there couldn't be like a million people walking around and thinking that James Charles is a pedophile. Well, I have to even I have to eat the crow little bit. Because in our original podcast, I showed a lot of those screen shots from James mobile. Sure there's a pattern of, of, of. I mean, there's accusations of him of all kinds of things that are not substantiated. So we really need. We really need to be wise about how these things spread on the internet. I mean specifically on the internet because things happen, so fast and so strong that we don't have any time to actually sit back and think, and reflect it's like you said, it's just a fire, and I've never seen anything like that. And I'm I'm really glad that James had opportunity and that people were still had the attention to listen that he didn't take too long to address it. Yeah. On the other hand, with the pro Jared thing, I don't think people are still care, even though there's more screen shots now and more tax and stuff like that. I don't think anyone cares. This is not as interesting which is so Dan, it's not as nuanced either because the guy was definitely a creeping. He's got his dick out. He had a yet a tumbler descent. Let my little sins sin Jared. I mean. Yeah. I just mean, the fact that it's like it's judged by how interesting stories at the moment, how juicy is it on Twitter right now trending and then you move on. It's so crazy. It's true Jarrett's. One is tough. I mean, I'm sure that, that the decide that we got that everybody reported on is so bias, I'm sure, Jerry would have a lot to say about it. But. I'm glad that I'm glad the James Charles was able to kind of receipts. Jared on the other hand, I don't know man that guy is just. I mean his Dicks on the internet. What do you how do you come back from that anyway? You know, say he's completely innocent. I mean, dude, I saw your deck. How do you come back from that, you know, so for those reasons, yeah, what's your Dicks on the internet? Especially that dick pic. Like you, if you if you're nice looking, and you've got a nice deck, and it's maybe you're just walking around. But the fact that he's like full on dick pic from below. Hard squeeze your deck. You can make it like look bigger harder. He's doing that. And it's just all gnarly. Yeah. That Garth likes that. I managed to avoid seeing it up until I think it was yesterday when somebody replied to, I think it was the Twitter poll we ran. What did you think about exer-? Well, you know what would you rate it on scale? I didn't inspect it too closely. I mean it you know, maybe it was the angle. But it seemed you know, at least he doesn't have a micro penis, I guess. Yeah. Could be worse. No. He doesn't have a micro pants normal peanuts. That's what we all said. Not a micro. I like the joystick version better was driving off of would have preferred to have just stuck with that one in my head. Well, we've been so much more to get to, but I'm kind of like unfeeling I'm getting sick. Yeah. You've been sick since yesterday is ready. I don't wanna push it. But I mean we have so much more to get to. It's ridiculous. Just briefly cover this face stuff, because it is pretty okay actually have a good take on his face thing. So phase the phase, clan is a huge gaming. Team. I guess they, they came around during call of duty right? Is that right? I believe they started as a YouTube channel of like they were like one of the original three sixty no scope new things. But like Iraq like the yeah. Yeah. At it's or whatever it was like the real shit bright. So, but they've been around there, they have a huge name in gaming and a lot of young gamers. They have teams now professional teams of all kinds want to be on phase and recently, there's been a huge lawsuit by one of their top players called T FU. He's huge. He's like the size of ninja now playing fortnight and he has come and laid a lawsuit against phase for having predatory and illegal contracts. He said his contract with so predatory he had to sue fades. Now each of these people have a huge fan base. So the debate is very. Dicey about he. He said this. She said that this and that, like the face guys have made tons of videos talking about it. T- foods made videos talking about it. And I what I wanna do is. I don't want to get in the weeds with all this emotional, I only care about what the contract says and the contract was leaked. Okay. So I'm just going to look at the contract. I'm gonna give you my take on that. So because I do think that this is really interesting. And it is important, because this reminds me of when I was a young youtuber, like M, C, N N's had. They were so predatory because it's unregulated you have eager young kids, that don't understand what they're getting themselves into verse a huge corporate, or huge people with lawyers who know how to take advantage of people without any regulations. It's a recipe for people getting wildly and and irresponsibly taken advantage of. And so it reminds me of back then. Then in what it's really not, okay, what these companies get away with. So basically, I found guy have the contract, so let's just look on on this on the basis of the contract that they offered. Brand deals bought end by face clan. Phase gets eighty percent. I mean that's. That's ridiculous right off the bat. I never heard in my life. I mean and traditional media, there's laws and regulations about this, too, because this predatory behavior is just out of control, a manager traditional manager and agent. They taking ten percent. Eighty percent. I mean, what are we talking about here managers twenty but you could see twenty could see thirty I have partnerships so I have partnerships most. When I get add through agency, they'll take ten I have a partnership, the only one I have where they take twenty they do so much work. They bring so much to the table that I'm happy to give it to them. But I but but eighty percent is is untenable. I mean that's just not a feasible relationship extortion. It's, it's, it's ridiculous endgame sticker merchandise. I don't know what that even means. But this fifty fifty brand deals brought in by the gamer, fifty percent. I mean, again, they should be taking maybe like five or ten percent if they brought an or even zero to be if I'm being Frank appearance fees fifty percent prizes. T- FU gets eighty percent of tournaments. Okay, fine. So, so I mean this is really bad. I don't even know I firstly. I'm people saying, well why why did they he sign it? You know. He's a he's a young kid in his early twenties or late teens. He's being approached by one of the biggest he gaming communities. He wants to be a member of phase any stupid. He's done. He's eager. And in the beginning, you may not know the numbers that are gonna be involved. And you may not know what's normal. What's not normal? Right. Exactly. Exactly, you learn as you do it. I mean he's talking these face guys and they're probably let him leading him on. This is this is normal is what everyone gets paid. They might be saying stuff now. I'm speculating. But this is the kind of stuff that I've encountered a we can renegotiate, we can revisit these and stuff like that just like, well, don't worry about it. You know, let's just get you in the door. We'll figure it out now. That's not even the worst part, the worst part is that the contract has a specific termination clause that forces T food is sit on the sideline for six months and not professionally pay any video games, if he gets fired for cause it says, and I it says specifically all read it verbatim and the event of a termination for gamer material breach gamers. Shelby prohibited from playing video games, publicly online, or in live tournaments or professionally for period of six months from the effective date of such termination. So what that means. I mean that what's month there? They're effectively saying, if you breach our contract, we're going to ruin your professional gaming life. I mean, six months time, that's like you're gonna be left behind, and that amount of time. But this is so predatory and borderline evil, we said, but the contract was for three years. Yes. So they're saying if you breach this, you cannot play professionally anything anywhere for six months or we'll sue you. I mean, this is just evil this predatory this is evil. This is kind of, like their, this is their Trump card for, like, ov- this guy ever gets unruly. If this guy ever gets out of hand. Then we get this alternate Trump card of like, okay, go ahead and leave, we're going to sideline you for six months, and sue you, if you try, I mean that kind of clause has no place in a contract and the real world that would be so e legal. So wildly inappropriate for them to even include. This is is shocking. It's a. Calling. It's a shame. It's a disgrace. It's an embarrassment. And I think that phase should really re an and I think this is important for all of new media contracts that are unregulated him. Not a lot. I always on it, and they get calls for extrordinary need, though, for regulation. But all these companies that, that are putting this kind of stuff in the country, they need to be held reliable. So I don't know any of the backstory about t- food. I don't know what he said, or what he did or what phased it. I don't know what but all I know is that stuff like this in the contract. Neat needs to be brought out, it needs to be brought in needs to be talked about because these are not huge corporations. These are vulnerable young bright young stars rising stars, who are building this community for the better mint of all of us new media including phase and phase two included terms like that is truly. Is truly heinous. I mean it's just heinous. Another issue that is verified. That that's the contract is verified. I verified it, I verified it was somebody close to the situation, who said, yes that is it. So. There was also other things in there like that, that they had the right to reject any opportunities if it didn't if they didn't agree to it. So they were limiting opportunities to like two other stuff that was one of his main complaints from what I understand, is that they were declining things without even telling him about it. He would find out later things that he was willing to do and wanted to make money off of. So, so everything aside. I'm not getting into the details. I see people say, oh, well, he skyrocketed in popularity after join phase or face tried to offer a bunch of new agreements, that he kept refusing, or that to food just wants to leave the start his own organization. I don't care about any of that. What I care about is what I'm seeing here that was in the. Agreement in the event of termination. A gamer Shelby prohibited from playing video games, publicly or online in life tournaments or professionally for period of six months. Affective from date of termination. That's the shame. Shame on you for putting that in. I mean, give me a brick that makes me sick. I mean, totally reminds me of when we started to 'cause you would just every, but we will talk about the role stuck in contracts. They don't wanna ban. And it's it was like, well, I'm stuck with this guy's for three years. What am I what am I gonna do now? And it was all this craziness. It was tough. And, you know, and nobody really understood either people thought that being part of M C N made you more money. That was indie. We didn't even know why we are joining M C. And we even had one bad experience. These guys made Ila cry. I mean who was it wasn't any of them? Studio studio. That's their new name. They were these guys absolute worst. They were studio. Seventy three or some of that. Evil. I mean evil, we signed a contract and they changed the terms on us after we already joined, and we're like yo what the hell? And it was like we can't function in this setting that you guys are setting us up. It has to be what we discussed, and they're like, well, you signed it so bad. Listen, we signed we on, on, we signed, there was a misunderstanding, just release us. Then we'll go part are ways. And he says, listen, this is the world world. It's time for you to grow up. You've signed this contract, and we are not gonna let you out of it. So you just need to suck it up and you and we own you now and either started crying, because she couldn't believe this was just so eve is just like fury will, and how to L movie, you know, pure evil and so this shit exists and my God, this is worse than something. Yeah. Collective digital studios. That's it. And they got the bad press the. Into studio seventy th right. And I have to say, everyone seventy one thing that and after say to this day shame on them, I would never recommend anyone to join that. Never and really I mean, this is worse than anything I've ever seen. But then the beautiful thing was that when we were completely didn't know what to do with it, and made a Twitter about it. And then they dropped this, you have all of a sudden they could drop us out of the contract. Yeah. There's no problem. No lawyer. That's exactly the situation. Right. Because the phase clan guys were pushing back against this as betrayal. Backstab blah, blah, blah or whatever. And then the contract leaked which let's be honest, tea food probably leaked it. Right. I mean, well, I don't know. But I don't know that. But I mean if. One way or the writer, there's a lot of people involved in phase. There's lot right? I guess it could it could have been another person within the organization. But the second it was released. They completely changed their tune. And the face guys are saying, oh, yeah, the contract was we knew it was bad, but we tried to make you better. Yeah, it helps to put people in black publicly. Sometimes you gotta do that. You know. And so two these guys should just shut the in my opinion after seeing this. I don't know about anything of the beef between them personally, but bro. This isn't does not look good. This does not look good. And it's not right. It's not. Okay. And shame on you and your whole organization for putting that in shame on you. That's all I say about it. I don't care about t- foo I don't care about face. You do not put that in a contract, especially when you're dealing with the kind of people, you are, who aren't real, well, Representative who aren't. Well, you are literally praying on ignorant young people. There's, there's no way to dispute that okay? You're the want to is in the beneficial position like you know better, you don't want to needs to be. Need to be guiding them. Of course Tif who's gonna wanna get away from this. When he blows up, he's not psycho. What do you expect them just to be like? All right. Well now that I'm making millions of dollars. I'm just gonna let you take eight or centre shot up idiots this makes this makes me upset. You cannot defend this, anyone who reads this. I hope I it really does upset me. So that's it. That's melting on favors t-. Foo, I don't care about anything else. All right. I got a sick energy. Let's keep going. Jake Paul verse. Cody coasts, cyberbullying, Manjit pose a fucking idiot. I knew he was done. But man, I didn't know he was this them. So he's going Cody co with commentary. He makes fun of people like all of us. I don't think he's extraordinary in the sense that he's more vicious or cruel than anyone about this. One guy is cutting cody's hair and part of log and Jake shows up to confront him for being a cyber bully. Here we go. So apparently. The interview they're going to spin coating around. I'm gonna go into this closet that Jake these, I'm going to be hiding in that. Yes. Jeff is going to ask Cody a question about me, and I'm going to come out to their alley. Alliott. Violence like bro. I'm gonna fight you like no, but like I do wanna get a point across that Cody you like you are a piece. That's true. I've heard stories of like girls again trying to like literally being so hurt by. Got a straw and his littered Cup of fucking. Does that? Nice catchy in. Could I like it's ruined their days or weeks? Even I'm not cool with that gives them the right to do that. He'll be so shocked to me, this guy, rare statics, by the way he just he'll take rag Jake for a full month just for this. Little bloop rarest that excise. Give him the recognition he needs. We can stop writing Jake stick this. Yes. Man is, is hurting my soul. A really the most people inside. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes, I think Jake is smart. But let me see stuff like this. And I'm like, wow, he is like. Llosa. What's like fifty IKEA's? A haircut. We'll just have our facing the ball, you know, people that he made fun of all that. So. All right. But all gear intellectual together. Go. Get ready to debate. Me. But. One in. Sick. You don't care if I recall these kids, grow kids, I love this kind of got a Jeff like how much was finally we is this guy gets Jeff? Cody doesn't get anything. With kid. Is really for you sound like you're what the hell. Cyberbullies boli. Oh man. I intentionally saved watching this for the show, and it's even worse than I fucking Jake has gotten dumber. I think he's, he's lost. I q point. You know, we clearly he clearly knows how awkward this is because he can like barely even get it out. I think he really thinks he's getting them like a Chris Hansen. No have a seat. That's good. Yeah. Good. By the way, he doesn't realize that he's making fun of him. Like I'm like, bowling you, what are you little bitch? I think I'm bowling Jake. Oh, thanks. Like his gives out there. I met girls you'd like into like gone in on. I don't I don't need to bring up their names for that. You know what I'm saying, like, no receipts. Use it in front of Camberley actually can resonate into people's hearts. Like that's I don't make. Every time he's already passed. By the way. But it's like who are you Jake to talk, what have you done for anyone? So I made a little tweet that I'm going to my torn here because I thought I summarize are pretty well. So Jake Paul says yo we need to discuss. Cyber-bulling also, Jake Paul dachshund postpone whose houses later stuck up at gunpoint. Also, Jake Paul Hosa party were girls. Drugged also Jake ball brain washes kids to so the Merce also Jake Paul posting softcore porn to twelve year olds, and then one I actually forgot is. Oh, she's that is so graphic that was a thumbnail also Jake Paul, he did the mystery box scam, like only a month ago, also this whole destroying the house. They were living in Beverly Hills. Whatever that was. Yeah. I mean bro. He ruined the neighborhood for all of his neighbors. Where is your moral compass? What are we talking about bowling your your butt, dude? He didn't he didn't bully anybody though. Yeah. That's true. Well, I mean I don't know. I'm sure he's been accused of bowling a lot of his team, ten members said that he was a total douche any bullied. They left the I bet you the news guy who is they're trying to report felt like a little, I wanna say bullied, I mean what are you doing? You rarely just need to shut the fuck up, sometimes because that's about it because it seems like his older brother, boys them, like every, that's true. Logan, definitely strikes me as a bully. I imagine them growing up. You're a bully beat the shit have. Yeah. Logan's pro. Yeah. That's a good point still. Number to show suit every to the party. John jakes. So desperate to like pull some kind of resolution this he said sorry, he said sorry for bowling ill. Like he's kind of goofing on them, right? Oh, no. And then and then this guy's trying to set up a joke because I watched his video, I mean, made a he made a edit I think they preplanned this joke. So it was like you'd be like can can Cody come and then Jake supposed to be like, no, he's like, oh, well, whatever. But he so he kept us in he edited it so poorly. He makes the host look like an idiot. Lushes. Never show suit every Cody to the party. Yeah. To say now. Oh, no. Okay. Might even include that. This jokes. You got give the. He's not, not taking it just confused what joke? Yeah. It's. Les, dude, I. Have ominous music. Beam. Nice makes OT bikes on people that I don't know why he he. Okay. Yes. Like some of it's funny, right? Like you have clearly have a huge items where you're spreading so much native. So it's like. Where's where's, where's, where's, where's the bit Barry? What did you think about this Jake before you decided to come in here and debate in, you know? Yeah, it's very uncomfortable. Is spread so much negativity. Like, okay, what kind of content do you wanna see Jake smile more eyelid? We all just need to say. Hey, everyone. Smile more. I was literally scrolling through that tweet. I made and saw thumbnail so heinous his fans are so young alot dude, what the fuck you literally want you literally have sexual tension with your mom. Jake. Am I cyber bowling him right now? Well, so you Jake Paul Hello. What's new? Everybody makes fun of you on YouTube. Why? What did you not get the memo, your Jake Paul dude look at you? You look like a you look like a member of a boy band that didn't get the cut. Not a good line. Shit December bullet myself. Should we keep watching? This is pretty cringing the line whereas flavors that your. You're very deep Jake veggie, where's the line between funny and f-? Dub, there you have it. Jake cyberbullying, turn. What is this? Oh, yeah. He I saw this this, this evening. He several bowling intern. He goes, please read, if you're an aspiring music, producer, engineer. He says, if you are a young, aspiring music, producer, engineer police read, we are need of a fulltime producer engineer who will mainly act as an engineer, I that sounds like a, a big gig. Right. Then he goes on this will be an internship. And we'll provide you with real life experience connections exposure. And a whole lot of fun which I don't work on fun. Fun doesn't feed me. Idiot fulltime we want. So I'm like Jake your team. You're supposed to be the super millionaire. You can't pay someone what the fuck is this might be a paid internship. It does it say, I'm paid to me when he says, kit is because his Yang, we will provide you with real life experience. I guarantee you because when he says, I'm looking for a music for user engineer, we're need of a full-time in-house producer engineer that sounds like a job. Yeah. Full-time. So, yeah, this is an internship. Yeah. Well, I mean anyway, I'm trying to give them up. That full-time in-house producers also entered bro. You can afford to pay him cyber Boli. Yep. Got them. Right. Got him. Got him. Yep. We have a lot of fun out here, and they should through HT podcast. Yes, we do. Because having fun back there. Chilling. Yeah. How about you guys? Oh, yeah. Fucking suck. As the worst. I guess I'm the I guess, I got here, I guess I'm the one entertaining here was moved on. Can you hold the chauffeur minute? No. I love you guys book. Sometimes you kill me it all seriousness. That was way cringe eater than I ever could have imagined. So let me ask you this show. The fucking Jake Paul video. Like I said, I didn't watch it because I of wanted I wanted to see it fresh on the show and just from the description, I kind of had an image of what it would be. And that was so much more awkward them. Just kinda standing around I second. Very well actually, you know what? Let me pull it back up, Dan, because I feel like when you have the full context of what he's trying to do. You can appreciate how much more. More to the case. But here. Explains what he's doing nine just kidding kind of not really I'm about, you can front like one of my biggest haters twenty eight year old wannabe. Comedian, Cody co I saw this Cody. When he was working at full scripts. Immunity network as like a little back in tech developer. And now he just shits on people. Okay. Welcome to the. Imagine a man to the fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen year old twenty year old that doesn't have as much self-confidence like, what that would do to them. And that's why like, oh, even you his feelings, he's doing for someone hole. Got whole. Not owned. I'm gonna logic is doing it for everybody else. He thought this confrontation with so well, he went and made a. A summer. So we cut the cameras off and had a longer deeper conversation. And I genuinely felt like Cody has zero more. She doesn't give shit. He's not going to change his ways. Didn't work out. You really thought it would his, his processes, or his thoughts and everything is if he faces enough backlash. I believe social media, creators, won't change if they are bad person. Honestly thought that you were going to cause a backlash against Kodeco this video you truly have the lowest, I q on this plan. You are so making a few jokes like about it. I also like he's trying to show examples of Cody being a bully any shows like making fun of minions. I shit, you not cody's going. Minions who likes those, and he showing that has an example. I was like tude. I used to give credit for being someone intelligent. Businesswise. I mean I, I don't understand how he hadn't learned the lesson like when he came on this podcast, what almost two years ago. Now the reaction to his appearance was like largely positive because it seemed like he was just kind of owning the criticism. And and, you know not quite embracing the mean but, you know, he was self deprecating. He was kinda humble while he's here and everything. And it seemed like that's when somebody shits on you. If that's how you react to it people actually, like you more. You know what I mean? Well doing this, right? Just makes it makes me wanna make fun of you even more right? I mean cyber should've. A hero right doing this. You know you know that's did you hit that? You hit the nail on the head there, Dan. Because I feel like the charm of Jake was that everyone should them. And he just took it in stride and didn't bother him. Right. But now he's Mr. cyber bully, and it's not a good look, especially when he tries to pass it off like it's not he's just it's not about him. Just imagine somebody else, how that's insecure. But somebody else might be insecure. I think anytime Jake trest articulate a point he should stop and not like listen. Gets accused of sexual predator accused of, you know, these talk shows. Come on. He looked like vanilla ice. Has that was better than the boy? Thank you. I yeah. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Well, moving on game of thrones. I've got a lot of grievances for games thrones here. Game of thrones. This is something that I've been invested in for such a long time. I love the story of the characters I knew in my heart that this final episode would be irredeemably, the worst thing ever that anybody like it. Let me start with no. No in you said, you were more neutral neutral to slightly negative on the ins part. I, I was big thumbs down. I was a in you. What did you like about it? Or did you not read the bugs or what were you, you just thought is fine house? They gonna do it. What was your tape? Yeah. I never read the books and I checked out like a few episodes ago. So I was just like it's all right. It's cool. Well, okay spoiler alert. Obviously think everybody knows what happens now. So brand becomes king, and that's just so dumb. It's so dumb. And so many different ways, I'm gonna break it down for you guys here, I'm very passionate about this. But before I get into it this tweet. I loved this woman thinks that she says a lot of disappointed reactions on this website about brand becoming king reminds me, why we live in a society with so many with so few maintainable opportunities for disabled people, this is meant to be this person thought that it's because he's disabled that people aren't happy. This isn't meant to be comment on the show itself, or the character, reading, I have not been a long follower recently caught up some because thinking that a disabled person don't deserve chances, because we can't do anything as in restrictive settings. Perpetuates Abel's him is why we get unfairly shut out of employees. Shut up. No. We don't like ram becoming king, because it is dumb, and it doesn't make sense. Yes. Not doing anything. Can you imagine? I hate disabled people. That's why shouldn't be king. All right. Y'all. I've got a whole list, so come with me. Okay. I just have a list of shit. I hated about this episode one, the unsullied leave the continent yet. John is banished to the north Jon vanished the north because he kills deniro's the unsullied his arm Niro. His army says he must be punished. They're the only ones that care, they leave before John yet. John still has to go live his whole life on the night's watch. Why so dumb? Nobody. Fucking cares brand is the king Why's brand. The king. I feel like they literally only that to subvert expectations. They didn't build it up that in justify it only three episodes of goat in winter fell, they want brand to be the Lord of winter fell, he says, I can't be the Lord of winter fell. I can't be anything anymore. I'm the three eyed raven. Now, all of a sudden, he's like yeah. Bitch. I'm king, and even has the super smoke out of character. Answer. Tyrian says would you like to be king and branches? Why do you think I came all this way? But all of a sudden, he's Mr. fucking cool. Also, brand the broken title, they gave him the broken through brand three eyed raven brand, the seeing brand, the wise anything brand the broke ass. Nerd brand the lame. Oh, I would you call your king the broken. I dunno not name. Just I couldn't get over it brand. The broke ass. Fucking lame undeserving. How about aria who trained all the show for this ability to take someone's face. And SCO and do anything kill anyone. She didn't use that ability not once the entire season. We built that up for nothing. In fact, aria goes all the way into the red keep with the hound turns back finds the white horse like it's some kind of prophetic thing we thought, maybe Brandon set the horse guests, who did nobody pointless, no reason for it. Arias character was pointless, poorly written nothing happened. You built this character up to have all these beautiful backstories and threads to go and all these different places. What does she do sale west because nobody knows what's west. Are you fucking kidding me? You have dragons, you have magic you have boats. And none of you dip shits has ever sailed west what the fuck about her brother that sees everything. Oh, yeah. And how about brand who can literally see everything nobody's been west shut up. Nobody's been west all of a sudden, she's she's aria the explorer, which is not even explored. That's not even part of. That's. Even major part of her character. She wanted to become stronger. She wanted to a scape says, when explore that didn't make sense Jochem going west. Why, why would she leave her family? The whole point of her story are was reunite with her family and protect them. And now she's going west. What fuck you also everyone leaves brand alone. What is he going to do by himself, brand, the worthless? Yeah. The broken. Brand. Yeah. Here we go. What was the point of John, even being a gone targe Aaron what was the point of it at all, and never amounted to anything, and never went anywhere. What was the point of anyone finding out, various was writing notes to everyone in the whole kingdom that John is gone, whatever happened? Nothing ever happened with that. He never Kate. What the hell he never did anything. He literally was just sent back north as a punishment for murdering the Queen who the only person who cared about it was the unsullied, who already sailed off. Why should John go to the north when he is the right full king? Yeah. And everybody knows he's the right. Foot has the following people already want him to be. He's the one guy who is well respected is battle-tested ru knows how to rule has groomed his whole life on how to rule. And besides all that is the rightful king. Why is he going to the north when everybody wants him to be king, and the only people who don't want him to be king orgy fucking left the entire continent? Let me ask you also this. Tyrian who has proven to be one of the dumbest characters possible in the last two seasons. Finally, commits the biggest coop dig raw of all time of stupidity he's comes walking out and change a front of gray word having been a conspirator in the murder of his Queen dinners. And he says, you know who should be king, the one with the best story. Seriously Tyrian and all of your travels in all everything you've been through. You've decided that the person should be king. Not the one who's capable not the one who's smart, not the one was the peop- the interest of the people at heart. No. He says the one who should be king won't the best story. Sorry, what the fuck does that have to do with your ability to rule? That's the point of your character to come with two that the best story. So he says, that's why branch should be the king, 'cause he has the best story bitch stop right there. Brand doesn't even have the best story. Fuck. You John has the best story by far he died and came back. He died. He was living his whole life ally. He was on target area and raised by. Ed star as his own son. Everyone thought Ned stark was like a perfect guy except they cheated on his wife, nobody could believe that. Guess what? Who's raising his sister's son the whole time to cover her deep secret. It was John the whole time. He was the tar Garin that everyone was looking for he rode, a dragged he killed the Queen the girl he loved to save the realm guys. He is the true king, and you can tell me brand who fell a fucking window and sat quietly in a wheelchair whole time has the best story even by that stupid metric doesn't make any fucking sense. He doesn't even have the best story Tyrian continues to be the worst character ever. He went from being the smart wise. All know in character. Everybody trusts and love to being an absolute nitwit, who should have been thrown off the side of the fucking castle, by deniro's, because he's useless. And he's an idiot doesn't make any fucking sense. Why didn't anyone even allow him to make that decision? Let alone the unsold who would have put his fucking head on a spike knowing them allowed Tyrian to make the decision for brands became. And then everybody else just goes along with it. How dumb is that? That, okay. The what do you call the people that from the iron the iron island? They go she made an allegiance the iron island girl to dinner for today, any and Tyrian just goes. No, no. No. You know what? Brand a stark should be king, because he has an interesting story. And then two minutes later, she goes I. Suggested democracy, let the people vote and they all laugh at it. Yeah. They all laughed at him. And then they they're okay with that we can brand because we store fucked democracy. Oh, and by the way, what is the point of Sam story? How much did that guy go through just to be a fucking Meister for brand the broken seriously? That is what all led to give me a fucking break Sam ended up being a useless little bitch himself. Tyrian is the biggest useless bitch. Brand character doesn't make any fucking sense, and everyone at that table is a punk bitch useless Cun. Okay. How about the prince from Dorn magically shows up at the end of the story. And also on all the sudden is like, okay, yeah, let's have brand B, king, 'cause he is an interesting story. Meanwhile, his stark sister says, oh except for me. I'm gonna be independent in the north and everyone's cool with that, too. So now the stocks are in charge of the north and the entire kingdom. And everyone's just like I because brand has an interesting story, yo and you just I didn't even think. About this till now but the, the great tragic Yara, you pointed out, she she was only there because she had the deal with donaire. Yes. The deal was that the iron islands we're going to become independent. Yes. So why would so gets to leave, but she doesn't Yanni and she didn't? And do you know why do you know why? Because brain has interesting store. Good point. Oh, yeah. There was one scene of John queuing Danny, and then it cuts from that to everyone sitting there already knowing what happened. That's came from winter fell that would take months to get there. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's implied. There was a longtime skip. But that's I mean, everything was so fucking was so Danny, who's the major, the most impactful character of the whole story mother of dragons, she is Slade by John, her lover, she dies, and in the very next scene, there, laughing and goofing around the her death has no impact as negative impact it is so not impactful. It is so pointless in worthless. I mean, how could you fuck this up? You can see that the writers, these bozos, who created the show have literally checked out. This is a spit in the face of fans. I hate it. I hate it. It's doesn't make any sense. It's so bad. It's so bad, dude. These two idiots who made the show just ran off to make stars. They literally didn't give a shit about how this story ended it doesn't make sense. Brand has a better story. What the hell I love to interiors like explaining his rationale for why? He has a good story. And he's saying things like he's the three eyed raven does other than like one or two characters any anybody at that meeting have any idea what the fuck. No. In fact, we don't even know what that we don't know what that means brand does even know what that means for all, I know it doesn't mean anything in fact during the long night, when the windy king of winter got bitched out by aria. We were we the Nike Bishop, we were being like, you know, brand, they're gonna explain who's up to some shit. He was doing. No. He was sitting there uselessly the whole fucking time he wore worked into some crows what he literally did cooler if he was like 'cause the thing is kind of leaves it with this sort of I it's not explicit at all. But, like this sort of implication, that brand was puppet, mastering everything. Like you said, when he out of character is. That's why I'm here or whatever. So I think what that was, was like a last ditch pathetic attempt by the writers to give some meaning at all to their shitty writing when actually there wasn't any that's not brand's character. That is just not brands character. They didn't set it up that way that input any clues into it. The literally the episode before he said, I'm nothing. I can't rule anymore. This person said it greatly. Nathan Hugh Huck. I don't know what it's from, but he says, so John Johnston was tar Garin for no reason. Brand became the three driven raven for no reason. Danny had an amazing did amazing things for three seasons. For no reason. Prince who was promised. No reason. Everyone wanted to team up for eight seasoned teams up for no reason. Everyone wanted to dis for no reason, Brandon stark this character. No one shit about for three season. Cain, why? No reason. That's why I've watched game of thrones since two thousand eleven for no reason at all. Harsh. But it's just shame because it was so well made, and it's just I love the word that they created and the characters and actors in the outfits, like everything about it is so well made, and then the story was just. So I think born to say because I saw I think it was saunas character. What's her name? Soften. So, so she was saying that she thought she was disgusted by everyone's reaction because everyone works hard, and, and I. To remake it with a million, and it's not an and again, it's not about you. Everyone says, I say I mean that when deniro attacking's landing it was, it was some of the most incredible footage I've ever seen on television or movie or cinema. I mean, the show was just amazing in the work. They put in was just amazing. The acting was breath. Everything about the show was amazing. And these the reason I am so pissed off is because he's too fucking. Bozos HBO wanna ten season and these two fucks who got their heads way too. Big wonder runoff mix Star Wars. And they this, this, cultural masterpiece this import this was an important piece of cultural literature. They didn't. They betrayed George R Martin's vision. They betrayed the fans in HBO, because they wanted to go make a Star Wars movie. Now Mark my words, guaranteed to this day everything. They make from now on will be shit because we are going to see their true talent as filmmakers, they were only good because they were working with Georgia. Mark. They had the source material to work from and the show was fantastic. Because they're able to work with that. But now everything they make is gonna be shit because their true colors gonna come out. They're gonna go make a Star Wars. Trilogy is going to be asked. And after that, people are not gonna work with them, and they're going to go down as talentless hacks that by some fluke, made this incredible show, but that they ruined the ending. And I do think that they have tarnished the legacy of what was otherwise. One of the most incredible important television sagas in a modern time. I mean really and it still is despite their best efforts to ruin it. But that, that, that, that petition is not against all those crew members work. In fact, I would say it's in support of them. They're hard work. Those guys shit on everyone's hard work by ending. It hastily the way they did. That's my take on it. Yeah. I'm upset here's George are Martin talking about it, Dave. And Dan, when they come type show this. Ending. I, I don't know ask David and Dan, when they come through, we could have gone to the Levin, twelve thirteen exactly. I guess they wanted to life. You wanted it to keep going. You know if you've read my novels. You know, there was enough material for, for more Susan's. They make certain cuts. What? But that's fine. We have five other shows five prequels and development that are based on other periods and history of westborough, some of the he's, he's being cordial. But you can tell. He ain't happy. Why wouldn't they just pass it to someone else because they had, they had a exclusive agreement George said that he never wanted to make have his books be made into media, unless it was the perfect people. And he met these two guys he thought they were. Right. He'd like them, and he gave them the sole authority to make this show. So when they left HBO, couldn't hire someone else to finish it. They literally shit on everybody. What's the point of the ice king, nothing? By the way, also notice after this episode there's no commentary, you know how they always suck through thick about the writing. Yeah. Because we talked violence time. I was like, come on, guys. I wanna see what you have to say about this. You know what the perfect little twist of bad writing at the end brand shows up Tyrians there with their new circle, and what who shows up or the most worthless pathetic group of people, including Bron, by the way, who started as a secondary character was charming who became this? I think Georgia Martin said that Brant Brown was never meant to be central character. The producers liked him so they kept the network wanted to bring more of Peron, who has betrayed Tyrian at every level possible is now his master of coin sitting there. This guy is this writing is so pathetic that also presuppositions positions that Tyrian appointed Braun to have a seat at the table of as master of coin Tyrian is literally, the dumbest, most useless character in the story by far these past two seasons. Further back than that. But yeah, definitely most deteriorated from where that character once was, you know, one of the highlights of the show at one point, also while the death Raqi kind of forgot that whoever kills their cow becomes cow. Yeah. Remember actually all the Lawrence story building the death Raqi when you kill their cow you become the cow because they respect power and strength to any was there. Cal junk, Danny. They would buy their own traditions follow John, right? Yeah. Idiot. Just disappeared that didn't even address what happened to them. They just went raped him pills. Right. Brand said he may be able to know where the dragon is. Then there's nothing like whereas any reports of where the dragon is a no. I'll be I might be able to follow. I might be able to find him. Okay. I felt like that had dark implication to. He's what is going to work it. So the hour he has the drag until like rule with an iron fist. Did he's supposed still already war in the battle? That was the whole fucking point of. Tribu something, you just you can't just keep hinting stuff. It doesn't go anywhere. Like what was the white horse? Why did are you going to white horse and then the next episode starts with her walking the horses, not even done believably fad writing unbelievably unforgivably, but Brighty in fact so much that the character who plays brand when he fr- I read read the ending script, he's thought it was a prank. He said he thought he was being pranked aches. No, dude. That's the real ending. Also these idiots cannot stop. How hard is it? When you're shooting a scene buses, they had a Cup in the previous able kidding. There's a water bottle, and the final scene of the show to wonderful. That's what they're doing in this. He's finale. Can we model? Guys. Whoops. That's just gives you an idea of how fucking checked out. I bet you they weren't even there. They're out there sucking, judge are beings, cock. Yeah. Exactly. We collected a. I'm so upset you guys. I'm so upset about this. It's seriously. If you told me brand becomes king junk kills, Danny. It's not even just outcome. It's like how you got there. Everything happened so fast. I agree with you have any motion when then he died. I I wasn't even feeling anything for it. It was literally nothing all these emotional music. And then the next is like you're supposed to laugh, and like you don't even. It just had. No fact, I was incredulous when the dragon just randomly like nukes, the fucking iron throne, so fucking corny the fun again. I thought maybe that was a state line or a statement that they're going to go with no king. Right. And but then actually all ends up being a handicap ramp for brand. Here we, we, we, we gathered a bunch of memes, because we weren't the only ones who are upset by this, actually. It's usually with these kind of things. It's pretty divisive. But I mean outside of the woman who thinks it's because brands handicap seems like most people are shitting on the ending, including the cast. Oh, yeah. This is great. Sounds like brand can't reproduce. Absolutely no. At Santa brands, dick doesn't work, who has a better story than brand Tyrian about every single person in the show. Yeah, there's nothing in the world. More powerful than a good story. We kind of forgot. Stories are supposed to fica. Sam what if we invented democracy everyone else, you'd them bit? Oh, yeah. Deniro is my quaint branch should be king. Tyrian brand the broken brand. Yeah. Actually just brand school Tyrian brand. The busted up. No k- tearing brand the Huili really legs go feely. No feely. No feel what's west of west coast. I don't know. No one knows it's brand. John yada, yada. When you this was a very popular one. When you don't contribute to the group project and still get a. Taran. Brand the little. Handicapped. I've thrown you where do we appear to be missing a master of whispers. You literally see everything, by the way, while the sudden is brand Mr. like regal like he knows how to like bitch. You just been wandering around in the snow, you idiot he did in the early seasons rule. And he's not for any anymore. That's true. Right, right. Best way to kill sir. See one Jamie kills her Nike and kill her aria kills her drug on kills her brand wards into number fifteen brand, wards, and to, sir c and commit suicide one hundred and forty six she gets pneumonia and dies one thousand six hundred seventy two gets trampled by rocks. Searching Jamie could have moved if they survived just a little bit to the right. Sir Jamie died. While telling sir see that he was in love with Bryant who was super hot in the end. That's what she wrote in the kings. You know, there's a little book that she writes, the story, couldn't handle the snap of her sweet push. So he crawled back to his skanky, X, sorry, couldn't make you come like your sister, Jamie gold fisted loser. Me watching Brienne close the book without letting the ink dry. There's actually a great line someone said, Bryanne closing the book without letting the ink dries the perfect metaphor for the season. We set sail for Nath and leave. Seven kingdoms forever is he gone. I think so low, John, you can stay here. Is cool now. Yeah, exactly. And now our botch has ended these two idiots. This was actually a great one. It's got a rubik's cubes Georgia's book, then these bozos just painted over the side of it to make it look like it was complete. That's actually really clever. Yeah. Yeah. What do we say to HBO on Monday unsubscribe? You know what? It's not HBO's fault. They wanted to do ten seasons. I like HBO I'm gonna say subscribe to HBO I respect HBO for creating this. They still have great shows they still have great programming. I'm just obsessed that this cultural hallmark really was just. Late to rest. I mean it ended much like Danny, but thankfully quickly and without a single tier. I was going through morning to be honest over the past last several episodes. I was getting sad that it was ending whenever we would talk about it off air. You're like. Intimately sad. Like not even angry like just sad about it. I was. Yeah. And I wasn't able to really come cope with the loss of this story and these characters because I'm, I'm dealing with what is just utterly, like pathetic writing? I mean really just like like middle school grade writing. It's. On the street inches as here, finish the story, man. We've got a lot more about. Let's, let's say it. I wanna do a gnome left behind soon. There's, there's a lot of really great material here. Yeah. I feel like I was bitchy this whole episode man. I was I was on one. I was like, but there you have it. That's the HT podcast has enjoyed I guess, when I drink tea, I turned into a bitch. That's it. That's all. And we made a new video in SRI, productions Ila is pregnant as Frick. She is gonna give birth any day. Now my back really hurts convert. Yeah. Yeah. We're at the point where like I mean, this could be the last episode for I mean. Yeah. Happen at any moment. People are wondering, we are still I'm gonna come in by myself and just update. People think it'll be nice just get out of the house. At the hospital. But yeah, yeah, yeah. But we'll play by ear. Remind my intention is to come do it solo. Just too short one like an hour or something. Just talk about stuff. Maybe bring some footage video David will be with the baby not like you shitting out the baby like home. Yeah. He look concerned. Guys have a blessed weekend. TGI FM God as written in the bible. Thank God, it's Friday. We love the weekend. We love our crew are cast Dan in sac. Ian, by the way, is been making these cold opens doing a fantastic job thinking of grooming into become one of our editors. So he's even though he may be getting a promotion soon. He will be interred still forever by title strip well already have. That is like so loud. But yeah, I want people to know that he's getting promoted, he's being recognized within the ranks of the company, but he's still in the inter Reverend knack. Thank you for your service, damn. I mean, come on, Dan, the producer who you can Ross of the raw, you know what I'm saying. We got a we want to give it away. But we gotta do something with that. The ross. Thank you guys for watching. Thank you for your support, I thank you, all for being here with us and listening to me ramble. I got more there's more to come. I wonder if there's gonna be more drama I feel like it will never end. Has got to end. I kinda would like episode. You know what I mean? I don't think there's ever been so much drama one after another. I don't I think most dramatic like month of my whole career thing. Thing. It's nice not being involved in it, though. It's so whatever your various thinking that is not involve. All right, guys. Thank you also much. We do love you appreciate you for being part of the show and being here with us. We will see next week until then have a fantastic week in a great weekend. I had love you guys.

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Ep 59: Who Knew They Made Gummies Without THC?

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Ep 59: Who Knew They Made Gummies Without THC?

"Okay. So full transparency, we went into recordings episode. It's if it was any regular episode. And of course, we were going to touch on the James, Charles Taty Westbrook stuff, but we were not planning on making an entire episode out of it. We recorded for about fifty two minutes. We took off our headphones, and we look each other. And we said we have to make this emergency episode number one. There's too much content for us to be able to get through the rest of the stuff. And number two. I think it's really deserving of it. I think everybody is interested or at the very least wants to know a little bit about what's going on. And we did our best to kind of do that. So the next fifty minutes or so are us really just breaking it down as intensely as we possibly could. So we hope this gives you a little party. And we hope you enjoy. Hi, guys. I'm emma. I'm julie. And we're the girls behind common spice slugs everyone. Take a deep breath because this episode beasts super intense some of the topics that we are discussing today. I think it'd probably be their own podcasts. Would you agree? Yeah. Definitely a lot happened this week. And as always we're gonna try to break it down in the most cohesive fashion. Obviously, the major story that happened was the James Charles, touchy Westbrook feud that has kind of broken the internet and everybody just wants to talk about it. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So if you are like us, you don't really follow these people that closely, but you at least are interested on some level because you just want to be in the know. And that's kind of how we are interested in this started to grow or you may be fascinated by this and still just want to talk about it. Whatever the reason is we are here to break it down for you. I guess soon as there's memes about a subject people go from like, I don't really care. And then all of a sudden, it's like we I didn't understand that. Me until they watch a ton of understanding that it's like I'm invested. Now, we are so invested and because of how invested we are we knew that we really need to bring in someone who had additional knowledge on this and had opinions and was able to talk about it in a clear fashion in which is why we have our best friend in the third member of the comments by celebs team Isabel here with us a low what a letdown for anybody who thought to be like, and we have a true expert here. Please welcome youtuber. And it was like like. Of our friend is about Manny Amuay, like the James, Charles competitor. Sorry, just me. No. But Isabelle really does have a passion for this stuff. And is as invested in this. And we felt like we needed all of the facts that we could possibly have. Which is why we really wanted to the best team longtime watcher first time caller. Exactly. Yeah. So we're we're here. We're ready to do it. We're gonna get into all of our regular stories are worse than money could ask you recap. But first we're going to start with the story because I think that people want to know. Yes. So blew up like, I there's so much YouTube drama all the time that's never on e news or on like every Gaza a big accounts in people are posting an Instagram yet in that the YouTube drama never gets that far in there's so much every single day. And it's really this is like next level. It really is even celebrities. We're talking about once Jeffrey star talks about things. Jeffrey is in the community. But once like reporters are talking about it that honestly, it's like a big step for it is for. Except for his so. So for someone to start by telling you guys about the key players involved. And I just wanna lay those out before we get into the facts of the actual story happened. So there James Charles and Taty Westbrook James is nineteen years old. He's youtuber makeup artist. Kind of a beauty guru. He is also the first male embassador for covergirl, and whether or not you like the guy he's definitely made waves in the beauty community. He has these very I mean, first of all highly watched each videos about makeup tutorials. And all this type of stuff, and he's really become an influence her. His estimated net worth is around twelve million and up until this week. He had about sixteen million subscribers on YouTube, which is a lot obviously. He launched his makeup channel in December of two thousand fifteen and in a year. He basically grew to his sixteen point six million subscribers which at the time he wrote the outline was down to fourteen point three. And when I checked this morning, it was about thirteen point five and by the second. Yes. So just a fun fact which again, we'll get into more. He is set the record for the youtuber that lost the most followers in twenty four hours. He lost a million dollars in twenty four hours. Which congratulations does he get a Guinness Book of world? Actually, it's insane. Okay. The second person is touchy Westbrook. She is also a youtuber. She's thirty seven years old total different vibe than James Charles, not only in her videos, but also just in her presence in kind of her her brand. So she is a makeup artist beauty guru and her channel is glam life guru, again, she posts product reviews makeup tutorials, all that type of stuff. She is married to James Westbrook. Who, you know, he's a businessman the wings, and describes it. He's ran an agency. He was the VP of motion pictures. He's definitely a businessman who I think in a lot of ways helps her growth from the business aspect or I'm said, he advises her a lot on her decision host. Great totally. So, you know, James and Taty have been friends since he really emerged. So since about two years ago when he was first coming and she's been doing this for years now. So not only is she older and also served as kind of maternal source, but she has a lot of knowledge in the field. And when he was first coming in she saw potential in him. She said, you know, I took on that motherly role, and they've really developed a very very close relationship business aside. It was more so friendship that was rooted in their mutual love for the art of makeup. I would say, right. Yeah. So. I also wanna start before I get into the scandal by saying Taty has a company called halo beauty big fan. Big fan, and is Bill can speak to what that is in what those vitamins are because it's important to understand. What that is why you can understand why some of his actions were so hurtful to her. Yeah. So do I. Basically, I think it was probably a year ago ish she started this. She was teasing that. She was coming out the product everyone assumed it would be makeup. You know, a lot of these YouTubers come out with pallets collaborations etcetera. And she came out with a supplement called halo beauty. And it was basically a competitor to a sugar hair. One of those like all those Gumy's at it was aimed towards your skin hair nails, overall health, and she's kind of known for her diet like lifestyle more than just make up and she has unbelievably flawless skin. She's gorgeous. And she's like people trust, which is to say. So she came out with the supplement, and it really blew up people trusted her. It was like vegan. It didn't have any chemicals this that and then she launched I guess a couple of months later one that was just skin not like whatever the Biden like. Yeah. So it's you know, she took a big risk. She didn't take anything investor. She hundred percent in. In her like her own money, her own factor, your own shipping. Like a lot of them like Kylie Jeffrey star kind of situation where she has hundred percent control. And her husband helped her a lot developed the business. So yeah, wasn't like she just threw her name on something. She really from picked every ingredient, and she's very, trustworthy when she says that it rich truly her baby. So yeah, it's it wasn't like she partnered with some big company. So you've done your stand this blood, sweat, and tears and a hundred percent of her money went into this. Right. Which is important to understand. Why what about to say, you know, came across as so hurtful so here I'm going to get into it from start to finish. So seriously buckle up. I wasn't kidding. When I said that this is a lot to take in an I recognize that we watched hours worth of videos to be able to explain it to you jor more screen time than I've ever seen. Emma, have sloan's descended obvious studying this for years. Okay. So all of this started. When after Coachella James posted a video on his Instagram story promoting sugar bear hairs, new sleep vitamins. And in the video, he said, you know, I want to tell you guys about this great product. I haven't having a lot of anxiety. When I go to my head on the pillow, and it's been really hard. And these have really helped me get to sleep and the did the swipe up. It was a very clear a sponsored post for sugar bear hair. The classic influence our conducted swab callback. Exactly, but he was it wasn't like he was just promoting it. He was also endorsing it in the sense that he spoke from his personal experience of using it. Okay. Again, as described that, of course would be hurtful to Taty considering this is her best friend, and this is his her biggest competitor. And he's promoting that when by the way, he has never with the exception of one time promoted her product, right? And it's controversial because as you will probably get to later, he said, the reason he could never promote her vitamins and supplements is because he's such yell audience in pushing like any kind of pill, even although it's all natural and a son just a supplement. He felt was inappropriate considering the fact that his fan base is primarily built up from ages twelve to fifteen boys and girls. So that's important to note. So Taty then responded to that by posting an Instagram story where she was it wasn't a very calculated video at all. It was literally hurt no makeup crying. She did not shot him out by me once and she just said, I'm really hurt. I feel really alone in the industry. You know? It's so hard to have relationships with. People that are really going to be loyal. And she was basically just a raw emotion clearly in the moment. Okay. She again does not mention him by name. But of course, everybody understands knows everybody knows. So that is kind of where the speculation starts to arise. There's tweets or saying, I think it's because James Charles, I think it's because of James Charles, and it's radio silent nothing else. He then posts an apology on his Instagram story just saying that he apologizes to Taty as attacks. Don't even have it wasn't him. It was literally just saying he apologized to shotty, and that was a betrayal and all that kind of stuff. That's all we hear until done done done done. Oh, one thing to notice he said, basically sugar bear helped him echo Chela. He needed like a security. Some very like weird story that he he was in a situation where he needed help and a security team. Who's in a weird situation and sugar barrel helped sugar bear helped him and in return? You know, they kind of worked out a deal that he would do some promotion. Okay. Now, let's get into the real big stuff. Taty posted a forty three minute video on her YouTube channel called by sister. Which if you follow James Charles, you know, sister is his thing. I mean, if you could get a trademark you probably high sister. Yeah. And it's high sister. So his her thing was by sister Krant look into. For ten minutes. While you guys you're talking about. I was on this. I was like one of these podcasts. I'm listening to you know, what I listen every when I listen every week, and I want to just add something. But I can't you can I didn't say a word. I was so invested guys talking. It was here. Yeah. I mean, the thing is I guess I get what people feel about because I already knew it. But it was it was fun to tonight. Feels like what I listen to my two best friends talk about things that I can predict what you're gonna say. I was like. So she started the video by saying, you know, this is going to be intense different. And it's absolutely not a video that I ever thought in a million years that I would be making. And then she says, but I feel after a lot of thought that it's necessary for me to have a chat with you guys. She talks about the fact that she never really wanted to do it publicly, but she felt like she needed to do it publicly number one because she lives half her life online. So she is public and she felt like she owed it to the followers and also because James had apparently gone to other gossip sites, and she was like, listen, if you're going to bring that into it than I there's no way in how my story is not going to be told directly through me. Yeah. So there's all of that. Okay. And the story that he had posted that text apology. He had not contacted her like, you know, she goes to our house. He obviously is our phone number and he just posted on Instagram for his millions of followers and didn't try to get to her first entertainment. Yes. And it had been nineties from back. You know radio. Silence from him. So she kinda starts by saying, you know, my relationship James Charles has is not transactional. I have not asked him for a penny. I have never been on his Instagram and all that stuff. And she goes on to say, you know, I posted my tearful Instagram story talking about how you know upset I was by his sugar bear hair post, and I really need to explain more as to why that was so hurtful to me and she lays out for forty three minutes explaining that. She has arranged brand deals contracts varies other opportunities for him. Because she in her words wants to see people grow and step into themselves. She is his biggest supporter always has been a mentor mentor. She publicly in Oshii repeatedly says how her husband James Westbrook. You know, also feels disrespected by Jane's because of the work that two of them together has put in she literally outlines times when she's like, I I would work with him on his morphe- deals. I helped put a million dollars in his pocket. And she was like I wasn't doing any of that in return. And I'm not chasing a scent of that yet at all she's like, and I'm not looking for any praise for that. I'm just explaining to you the level of our relationship. This was not a friendship, and it wasn't a business relationship in the sense that I was profiting, but it was a business relationship in the sense that I was helping him on the ground level of his business. So she goes on there's a million things. She's at that. I'm going to touch on some of the key points. Again, she expresses how hurtful it was for to her that he posted that that video the promotion, especially considering the fact that he doesn't promote sleep. He won't promotes up tips. She makes it clear though, that Dow was just kind of the straw that broke the camel's back. It wasn't this whole forty five minute. Video wasn't just about him. You know, breaking her trust and doing a video career hair. It. It was just the tip off. Exactly. And also, I think it's important to mention that she said she was willing to kind of like bury the hatchet and keep your feelings toward self because she has an a forgiving heart. But it was really when she heard that he was talking to the sites. That's when she said, and I quote, you sold out me. But you've throughway our friendship you lie to me made up a story. You knew this would be embarrassing for me. No. Our relationship is not transactional. I've never asked you for anything in return. Okay. And she goes on to just explain how you know James has a lot of fundamental problems with the way that he behaves both personally and from a business perspective. You know, she go she's talks a lot about the fact that here's this nineteen year old kid that in the course of one and a half years really has grown to not only such stardom, but also such financial success. And she said, listen, anybody, you take a fat Bank account a lot of followers. Forget her exact words, like it's going to inflate your ego. And unless you have people around nineteen totally interested unless you have people. Around you that are willing to keep you grounded, which he clearly does not with the exception of her and her husband, it's gonna get to your head, which we all know. I mean, that's a fact you've talked to anyone in Hollywood. That's why they're all say that they either have good friends or therapist or something that they know they need to be brought down to reality. And you've sixteen million people everyday telling you how great you are. It's also important to note, by the way that this lack of kind of this this display of his character is not the first time. So he had a scandal in two thousand seventeen when he tweeted an offensive joke about A Bola. He wrote a can't believe we're going to Africa today on my God. What if we get A Bola, then he writes, James, we're fine. We could have gone into poli last year. He also made comments that were perceived as transphobic, but being attracted to transpose. I don't have the gentleman. He's just had a lot of. Just not really knowing not even politically correct. Just kind of not having a sense of awareness grounded aware, someone around to cut guide him and say, you know, you have to be respectable people understanding of other types of people, and yeah, he's just had my even mitt big ad minor things that have been you know, everywhere totally. So she really I think that a large portion of the video was her explaining the level of closeness that their relationship was talking about she would recite anecdotes from him coming over to her kitchen at two AM to cry about either business deals or scandals or just being really boys. Whatever it was that. They were always always always there for for him. And he knew that. I mean, it wasn't like their relationship was private when he when she was getting married. He didn't have money for this ticket. I know she flew him into his wedding into her wedding. She had him do her makeup for her wedding. And I mean considering that she also posted about it constantly and she says. Now, I can't ever watch my wedding video and not see him. You know what I mean? This was she was like this was my family. This wasn't a friend. And the reason that's also even more personal. It's not like she had just some wedding in LA. She got married a little bit later in life her wedding been postponed because James her fiance now husband's mom passed away. They had a tiny tiny destination wedding in Hawaii. She I think it was literally friends a couple. I mean family a couple of friends, and he made the cut not only did it make the cut. She like you said she flew him put him up and he did her makeup. The she is the makeup goddess. She had wanted him to be part of that special moment with her sisters and did her makeup to me like when you're involved in a family moment like that that is crushing. She has all these photos when her video wants she do can still watch the video on her channel for wedding. And it he's like the star of the show. You know, that's like the whole point was her her wedding. Is going to be and it's just terrible when someone's part of your life like that you could tell it's just so much deeper than a service level YouTube to YouTube relationship, completely, you know, she talks about she kind of Switzerland. The DO into talking about the things that he did business vise. Yeah. I know. Of course, there's that very personal relationship. That's there. We know that. But it's also on a business level. He she has had him in a lot of her videos number one. And also anytime she's using a product where he gets any sort of revenue meaning use code James for ten dollars, offer, whatever she constantly plugs him. I want to be really clear and saying she does not get a cut of that. It's not like use my code Taty for ten dollars off James's product. It's all of the products that have nothing to do with her. She not only makes him even like some of some just deals. He has because she doesn't like do any kickback. She's hurt the beasts of channels that she doesn't get paid to talk about anything. She refuses probably millions and millions a year just to keep her integrity of her channel. So that you can trust one thousand percent that what she's saying she backs, and she's honest to the core which by the way in. A world of YouTube that is so over Sal traded by by such false advertising. She makes a conscious effort to not do that. So not only has she had him in a lot of her videos, again, she uses his product, she even said when she was doing her view for his morphine club. She was like I want to start by saying this is a little biased because I love him. He's family to me. And I'm obviously going. Yeah. She's like, I'm obviously going to kind of frame this in a positive light. If there's negative things I'll talk about it. But don't think that first second is going to be negative. So all of that. And he has never really had her in his videos, which she was fine with she's like, I don't need exposure. She's like, but I always felt like it was a little one-sided. And she kept reiterating the thing that he never would promote her her vitamins or anything like that. She is asked why he didn't promote her vitamins, his promote her in general. I mean, I think it's a mix of he's just super picky. He's had her on. I think maybe once with Jeffrey in with him and Jeffrey in her. I think he's just like picky, and she has a lot of last followers, and he has Kim Kardashian and Marian and all these people on like, the I really don't I don't know. I mean, I don't know how she really looked past it for all this time. Because I think that's really like because it's one thing remote somebody's like vitamins does not promote somebody who's actively promoting you know, like every Sunday on she. Yes. She was like a James, you know, first of all she was a James stand. And I use that word. She was James Charl van while simultaneously being his mother. Okay. Let me get you through the rest of this. So she talked listen she goes at length forty three minutes. Clearly, I can't recap everything. But she really does a very good job at outlining all the various aspects about him from like a business England from a friendship angle that she wasn't a fan of. But then she talks about a whole other side of him. And she talks I about James the known for kind of complaining a lot. Whether it's on on Twitter. He takes a Twitter a lot to kind of voice frustration which. What with a million different things? And she says, and I quote, how entitled you have to be the thing that you have it rough you were in nineteen year old millionaire. You do not get to wake up stress out about how unfair your job is. That is so ridiculous to me. She says get off your high horse and have some respect. You don't have any for the people who are in the industry. And that's the sad fact, which is again speaking, objectively, like, even if you love him, you can acknowledge the fact that he does complain a lot which I think was then there's the whole like problems are relative just because other people have bigger problems. But I think that there is some level of self awareness to have of when you have this massive of success. Do you really need to complain about the tiny things on Twitter, you can complain about them? But you need to publicly. Okay. All right Lowe's. Up any blows. Yeah. Okay. That, but she then talks about behavior of his that, she, you know, in her words, basically just couldn't stand by anymore and she had to speak out about. So she talks, and she frames it in the sense of that he is this twelve between twelve and fifteen year old audience, and he is kind of hype. Sexualize and is constantly talking about really other making things more sexual and they need to be or just really talking about sex and and boys in a way that she feels a little Volga. He sexualize is a lot of things you talked about which to be fair a lot of people do. But I think her point is it so irresponsible given his audience and her point was also if you're not gonna promote vitamins because they're young, but you're happy to talk about sex like, ooh, let's let's get him talking about her organic skin, vitamins or something. But you can talk about, you know, the sexuality skill at length and also, you know, kind of inaccurately sometimes they're just problematically. Yeah. So the there's all that. So she talks about how you know. She says listen his behavior online is what they're seeing an EMMY leading to be successful in adored by the masses. Everything's over-centralised. And that's a huge under layer to this that I finally had enough what she's really talking about is. She claims that James constantly tries to turn straight men gay. And it's so. Something that has bothered her for a while now, but what really bothered her, and when it really came to a head was at her birthday dinner and the way that he was behaving with the waiter. And what she said happened was there was this waiter. And he was talking very vocally about what he would want to do to the waiter. What he wants to do to him all the stuff, and she was like James like, he's straight and his response was I don't care. I'm a celebrity like that that doesn't matter basically his sexuality side. I can get what I want. I'm James Charles kind of thing. And she the next day. So that she had to kind of call everybody that was at the table to apologize for his behavior because he was speaking in a way that was so distasteful for so many different reasons. Okay. There. There's for background that birthday to hit him. Jeffrey Jeffreys boyfriend Nate like flew to Seattle surprised her a gun another thing. It's just not a fluff level surface level relationship. Like, he they were dinner with her whole family your sisters their kids. I think are their their husbands. It was it's real like he was deep in there. And the way that she framed him out to be from sexual perspective. And I'm not mincing not. She really framed him out to be a predator in a lot. I want to be very clear, I'm not saying predator from a pedophile standpoint predator in the sense of preying on an ways anyone, but specifically boys who either identify as straight or have expressed a little bit of curiosity, but aren't completely comfortable with it. And he takes that as an opportunity to really get them out of their comfort more in. He's he's like is. He he sees it. He wants it. And he's like. Fuck their sexuality. I can do it. I want. I think that's where most of him losing his followers is coming from. Yeah. Because I think there's a misconception going around that he's losing followers because of the sugar bear hair things. That's not a he's losing followers because in this day and age you it's probably mad problematic and for people to support him. It's like supporting somebody who very much comes across as quote a sexual predator, right? That's the narrative that is being painted again. We're speaking about the allegations. So this is the whole video. And basically again, it's forty three minutes. There's zero part of me that's going to be able to recap all of it. But those were the main points, and I wanna make it really clear that I typically, you know. Don't enjoy engaging in things where it's like, oh so so dragged so and so I don't find that fun. I know regardless of how terrible of a person he is. I can only imagine what it's like to have the world against yours. And by this was not to me. This was not like one of those drags. Yes. She was speaking negatively, but she did. So in the most graceful tasteful way, she never once said that she wanted any hate to come his way. She was speaking because she felt like she had to speak her truth yet. It was not like this motherfucker was Hansel him. Perhaps she she did as a byproduct. Yes. It was cancelled as a by product. But it was not that wasn't hurt goal. I know people may disagree genuinely in my soul. I don't think that that was her goal at something that you emotional about it like she was her goal was to give him a real reality check. Yeah. And she explained her truth in it. Okay. That happens. So we don't hear anything. And then we hear no one important point. But that I have to point out that I that I missed is that. When she had posted her initial video her Instagram story being upset about him with the hair vitamins makeup, artisan youtuber, Gabriel's Mora posted a video basically saying Taty seriously, like you're gonna cry about vitamins, there are bigger problems here. This is ridiculous James can promote whatever he wants in her video. She directly addressed that. And said listen Gabriel, if this was just about vitamins, I wouldn't be I wouldn't be here. This is a this is so much more than vitamins that was just a straw, both cows back, and that is when she that was kind of what led her into the predatory this conversation. Okay. That video wins. She says she's ending her friendship with him. All of that stuff. We then hear from him. He is abroad right now. I believe he's in Sydney, Australia, and he uploaded an apology video which was about eight or nine minutes yet, Marisa and her forty three minute video. He was sitting there just not just title Taty. And he really just didn't did not deny any of the allegations. That she the she said the one thing he did say was that he said, I listen, I'm not lying about the security scandal with with Sugar, Ray hair. And that's how I got the deal. And I've told my truth about that. I'm not going to repeat it again. So, but he didn't directly say like, she's lying. He said, no one's gonna believe me. Anyway, that was it. But the rest of the video he was just saying Taty and James have been nothing, but amazing to me I fucked up so badly. I wish I could take back. I know I can't he didn't speak negatively about her at all he talked about the fact that he's constantly trying to change and grow. And he's made a lot of mistakes he said in regards to the stuff about street, boys. I've said things that I shouldn't have said I've done things that I shouldn't have done. And you know, I wish I could say I'm never gonna make another mistake. But I am and the entire video was just an apology. He wasn't. I I really really have a problem when people are so quick to jump down every you know, every second of someone's apology video again, whether or not you like the guy here, he has he wakes up in Australia. He is the entire world. Against it. And he in the course of eight minutes is supposed to try to convey, the sense of authentic, even if he was the most authentic motherfucker on the planet. That is a hard thing to do. And I have to say even though he didn't say a hell of a lot. At least he wasn't thinking about how much worse it could have been at least he wasn't sitting there. He could have gone completely on on the defense. Like, yeah, he could have literally taken every single thing. She said like debunked every little thing. And you're right. He didn't do that. He didn't do that. Again. I'm not listening. I'm not praising him for it at all. But I really do think that the people that were so quick to shade every aspect of it. He coulda done it. So you could have posted any kind of video, and you know, letter what he that's the thing. No matter what he did. It was going to it was going to be the only worst thing he could've done this had an ad in there. I didn't it got like thirty one million could've made a fortune. But luckily, thank God. He didn't do because sugar bear. Sugar baron imagine. Oh my God. So that happens. Okay. Now, first of all we the entire world. Now is freaking out like really I wanna speak to in. The course of after she posted her video he posted his video the entire James Charles being quote, cancelled fucking hate, cancel culture, but fine is trending everywhere. Demi Levato Kylie Jenner Jeffrey star and a couple of other major names on followed him on Instagram. Those were just the names in addition to his subscriber count dropping as of now by almost four million that is massive on YouTube. There's someone may I know the internet's mazing somebody made a side-by-side livestream of their follower counts from like one of those social counters, and it's litter, and it's like playing with Duke due to music of his just plummeting and hers going on the up and up and up and Jeffery has been so shady and every time she hits a new million. He's like, oh, wow. Queen had another million like, yeah, it's been superintendent. So really, he this was I think. I think because it was coming from a source like Taty who number one voice scandals at all costs. Number two is so eloquent and graceful in the way, she speaks and number three really does a good job at conveying. A sense, of empathy night sense of authenticity. I think people really take her words seriously. And it wasn't like, you know, it wasn't like some random youtuber coming at James Charles. It was like no this the thirty seven year old woman. Businesswoman who really has problems that is going to air them in a very respectful matter as respectful as you could air totally like that. This was different. I mean, I think Totti's never been involved in any of this like all those younger generation view to has like I said scandal after scandal this and that receipts bubble blah makes all these cancel videos, exposing my truth. She's never been involved done. If that like, I said, she is the most trustworthy. I love her. I feel like I know her I've been watching her for so long, and she's so open about everything on her journey. The good the bad. You know, there are some weird stuff when her halo. On. She was totally transparent about everything people look at her as such a trustworthy source, totally. And she even people like you guys anyone whatever saying is. I don't know her but by jars and I cannot star and that's a really hard skill to have. And I think one of the reasons she so successful. Okay. The response to that Gabriel's Amora the same makeup artists. If you're following was the one who posted after she released her initial video, basically saying like, are you really gonna cry over this posted and said hold on Totti's mentioning me in her videos. I need to set the record straight on a couple of things. And I watched he posted a bunch of stories about it. And he was basically saying James is not a predator or not this predator that you're make him out to be the exactly that you're making him out to be the time that he was specifically referencing. An he definitely spoke about how some of her timelines were a little messed up in this in that I'm not going to get into the specifics of it. Because quite frankly, there's no way that I'm. I'm going to be able to recount it. Exactly. And it almost just doesn't matter. The main point that he was saying was that the waiter story she talked about he was like, wait a second. You are only telling sixty percent of the story. It wasn't like this was some random straight guy that James was like, you know, going into the closet trying to get them to stick. He was like this was a guy that was bike areas slid into James's dams. We were all there. We knew that he slid into James's DMZ. Yeah. James acted on it. But it wasn't like this came out of totally left field. So we're like, oh, that's so interesting. Let's see how how could we ever find out more about that will fuck in? Wait, forty goes ready for this. The mother fucking waiter from Seattle gets on YouTube and posts of four minute video explaining his side of the story, which I was shocked mic drop. There was literally zero reason for him to do that. It's not like things were running around speculation. His name was being dropped his one completely anonymous it is it is a little crazy that he came out. And did that it was. As far as I'm concerned gift from just like the content God's because what are the chances that we get to see this? And also, I was just from a soul curiosity perspective. Which by the way, is you haven't watched his video either pases and watch it or just watch it after because I'm going to try to explain it. But I also want you guys to really it's important to see him and see the way he acts in the way. He looks just to understand the full picture. I think it was deleted. But a million other people I would Twitter he's in a late pink and pink sweater. So for reference. So we go outside we still have everybody to like picks. Eater from that place in Seattle Jewish Charleston on John Doe. So he basically says, you know, I'm not doing this for cloud which like bullshit. But fine. I wanna just like you literally only doing this for your name. Never even came out. You have stayed completely silent. Anonymous number one like, yes. You want to clear my name with no one knew your name to you. Everyone. Like tipping their just. Fifteen percent. So he comes out, and he basically says here's the deal. I was at that birthday dinner Taty and her husband came early. They organize the whole room. It was a really nice restaurant. It was a private thing. He's like I knew of James Charles. I didn't really know him. But I knew his face. He's like when he walked in. I was definitely surprised you know, he talks about Jeffrey star was there. And then and everyone was there and James the whole night. I guess was trying to get his number and the wait staff. Wasn't you know, wasn't gonna love tap? And the other staff the restaurant said, I'm sorry. You know, like, we're not giving out his number this that fine. It wasn't until after James left and was back in LA that him the waiter and his sister were talking in. The sister was like, you know, just Yam him. And we're all thinking before he says the fact that he was actually by curious get into in a second. I didn't realize he was going to say that. So it's likely why are you jamming him if the story is as Taty total incriminating of him. Well, is it if the story that toddy just told which that she he's totally straight had zero interest in this. I was confused as to why the deal was but. What he says is I was a little bike areas. I had never had an experience with a guy. I kinda wanted to see what it was like an I message James, and he put up all the deals. I mean one thing that maybe he was doing it for cloud. This guy wasn't bullshitting. It was all very upfront. He put the DMZ. He said I message him and said, hey, I'm the waiter from whatever restaurant set it on. He said, oh my God. No way, they go back and forth. They're talking a little bit. And they were engaging. Some like good conversation. Yeah. It was like. Yeah. Flirty I attend you those screen shots. He would've been like. Oh, wow. Yeah. Exactly. This guy. Also, I just noticed. I messed up and telling us ROY James wasn't back in LA. This was when they were still is they send a little time little time. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry about that mistake. I was gonna. It's a lot. It's a lot too. You're doing so good guys. So he's still in Seattle. So they leave the restaurant whatever. And I guess the next day the guy DMZ him, and they end up making a plan for them to hang out in like cuddle is the way that he described it. So he comes up stairs to his hotel James told the story that it was four security guards. The brought him up. It was really only one concierge, which I don't know why that's important. But I guess it is I don't know why it was important to clarify that I don't know why it was important to live out. Yeah. I mainly. She wanted to see him. Like, I got a whole security team. You can't just come up to my room. Like, I'm not just having the front dust bring you up which is exactly what he's done. We know you didn't have a security team because sugar bear hair wasn't in Seattle. He didn't want to do. Another spy about yet. Okay, fun. Having the best time. I just hope everybody's having fun. She stayed with a lot of so. Yeah, we'll we're gonna take a break from his second. Yeah. We'll talk about it and second hold on everybody focused. So I told you I was going to derail. So listen. So he told video and we lied about the security came upstairs. And you know, he's thank you. And he's talking about how they hooked up for a little hooked up. They just made out for a couple of hours James wanted him to stay. He wasn't really feeling it. He left. Okay. Keep in mind. This was his first experience with a guy. He wasn't even sure whether he was really into guys or not. And after the experience, he said, you know, he realized that he was he was straight, and he wasn't really into this James didn't respond so well to that and kind of was trying to convince him like, no, you're gay. You're gay. You're, you know, you're not straight all that type of stuff. He then James went back to LA, and they were still talking a little and James wanted to fly him out for his birthday. And the guy said, listen, I I have to be straight up and saying like, I just wanna. Be friends with you. So if you wanna fly me out for like sexual reasons or for a romantic, it's not gonna happen. And I felt like I had to be up front about that. So James decides not to find out because he doesn't he doesn't just want him just one and there as a friend who's like, I don't need more friends. Okay. They're released that was basically the end of their relationship in terms of anything nothing else happened with that one important aspect of the video was that this guy this waiter had been FaceTime ING with James, and he had someone record the FaceTime in the FaceTime. If you guys remember, which we don't need to get into too much. It's not so pertinent, but at Coachella at the same time of this whole sugar bear hair situation going on. There was a straight guy named gauge who was in a lot of James's pictures and fans started to speculate that they were hooking up James responded on Twitter to one of the fans picture saying. Oh my God. Is this James new guy, basically something like, no, this is just a total Conard con artist who plead me, okay? That guy then came out the guy from Coachella, then came out with a similar story to the fact that he was a little bit by curious wasn't really sure what the deal was. He's realizes. He's totally straight. And James wasn't really having that impedes amounts as big liar. Okay. The reason that that is important is because in the waiters video where he records the FaceTime with James. He is saying, you know, you were talking to gauge at the same time that you were talking to me, and I think that that was a little fucked up and James was like, what do you mean, weren't you? You're probably talking to other people too. And he was like, he's a couch. You feel I was talking to other people in James like you probably were. He was like, well, I wasn't part math. How here's one thing. I have to say again, listen, I clearly I'm not the biggest James Charleston. That was bullshit on that waiters part. What you talk for a week. And suddenly, he's not. We also also it's not even like they were talking and he was talking to somebody else in your hurt. It's like he was talking to somebody else. And you told him you didn't want to be with him. Right. You can't you can't have you can't be jealous. And like if they were just talking had hooked up once that he was still mad that he was talking to somebody else that would still been like a little bit put to get mad at him for talking to somebody else when he wanted when you wanted nothing to do with him in the first place. It was it was a bullet point in his argument that was just unnecessary and had held no ground wasn't that it only was unnecessary. And invalid if anything to me, I thought it totally fucked up. I thought it took away from the legitimacy and the validity of the rest of his arguments because that's act that even put that in there. It's kind of like I'm gonna throw it off the wall. And just see what sticks. We know. James Charles has issues ABC you don't need to throw in DJ's for like just for fun. Right. Yeah. I d actually may James Charles, look good. It was like I was watching it. And I was like, oh, well, maybe James like about one thing. So that you know that is like I'm not doing this for cloud. Again. He is and just reminded this cloud. Everything's for class. And he kind of like, I just want to tell my truth because everybody wants to tell the truth. So that is in terms of the YouTube videos that have been uploaded in regards to the situation. Those are the major ki ki situations here again, we are recording this at three twenty pm on Monday thirteenth ready to go live tomorrow morning so Tuesday morning. So anything that happened after this? I can't speak on again at from this morning. There was thirteen hit thirteen point six or something million subscribers. He was down three million. It's important to note a couple of things which is. Two people in specific came out after Gabriel's Amora came out publicly defending James from the predatory perspective to people came out supporting Tachi in her allegations, which were Jeffrey star and Jeffrey star tweets, there's a reason that Nathan band James Charles from ever coming over to our home. Again, again, Nathan is Jeffrey boyfriend, there's a reason why I haven't seen him since Totti's birthday in February. He's a dangerous society. Everything Taty said is one hundred percent true. Okay. That was one person backing up. Second was the actress what is her name again Zarrella launches the singer? Sorry. The singers are Larsen and she comes out, and basically says is what can read the tweet. So some some random account tweeted Todd US just grabbed the sexual predator manipulator James bubble by Ketziot. She quoted in Rhode I'm cackling because he hit up my boyfriend in the D M several times knowing damn well, he's straight. She has no stake in this game. Like, honestly, I don't I would never even. Put into I don't know. How James even I mean? Yeah. How James even like found her boyfriend? But yes, she's just a complete outsider who obviously is confirming things like this happen. Yeah. There's that. And also people were then saying, yeah, he comments really thirsty things on Shawn Mendez his picture. And if that was a sensitive subject because Sean has had to publicly defend his sexuality and people were saying that that was kind of like a very disrespectful thing to do. Yeah. There's like a screen shot that's gone around a long time of Sean was live on Instagram James cap. You know, would the verified comments on a live? Everyone can say and James kept like writing like really inappropriate things and Sean ended his live and a lot of people blamed him and another video was that's been recirculating a lot in the past week was James sang if he ever got to sit down with Harry styles. He would like confront him about his sexuality and the one direction fans p. People resurface that video before the mecca, obviously, knowing James was going Harry's co-hosting saying, you know, if James does that like you can't out somewhat or confronts on about something like that. So publicly in the room saying, you know, James can't meet Harry Dollah, James, Harry, bubble Bossasso. Who is a big thing. It was all this behind the scenes stuff that that people were it was all really starting to come to the service and eating it together. But again, it's also like when it rains it pours. And what I mean by that is I'm not I'm not defending him at all. But I am saying that there are a lot of straight women that have commented equally quote, thirsty things on Shawn Mendez is pictures, look at an and gay men that have commented things if you look at Shawn Mendez pictures, it's it's just thirsty. Comments from every. So I'm not saying that it's I'm not seeing anybody is right in doing. So, but I don't necessarily think that like that's the nail in the coffin of James Strauss. One of the pieces of the puzzle. It's not it's the classiest thing I've ever seen. No, do I think that it is the the the worst thing he's ever done. Also. No. But you know, people are really starting to come out in both. Support and in real in support of him and in support of Tachi and of the allegation, so we're watching this play out. I mean, we are affected -ly watching this man's career die again, take us back to Laurie lofty to Jordan. What's whatsoever? Whatever does this mean the end of it for all I have no idea. I would be absolutely shocked. If this is the last we ever hear of him. I don't think so. But this was a massive massive detriment to at least right now kind of almost every time something like this has happened ever. Almost like is this going to be the end of his career like so many little things have happened. But to me this was just like the big boom yet. I think also having the big names on follow him, Harry, some weight loss, check Tanimoto who a fellow youtuber hasn't on followed him, and she also came out publicly when when the guy gauge from Chela uploaded videos, saying, you know, the the whole change was straight. And that he was changing whenever Tanna literally tweeted was like, dude, I saw you kissing him the whole weekend holding his hands. Like, I you were doing this for cloud. Don't don't. Act like he is someone that totally right to tricky. You were at least some sort of into it again. None of us were there. We don't know. I'm sure putting on what we're seeing the thing. I love about this day and age in like this whole even this just drama from start to finish everyone is held so countable you can't high the olden days when there was fights through the tabloids and this and that like this guy literally has the DM's no-one can fight it. They were Acura and Tana's with Rohan is. I mean is she the most reliable source probably not? But you know, a million people were there, everyone is kind of held accountable and even Totti's like I have a receipts. It's all about the receipts in there's no hiding from all this stuff. And and makes the story clear and James knows that he was never saying. Right. When his apology, by the way, was was the way what did that because he knows I so again, we'll we'll see how this plays out. That was kind of the update us to everything that has happened until now we may have missed some things. But I really hope we quick fifty minute update. I mean, we had to was. Yeah. It was it was necessary. I think it was like the Fossey thing where there's so many pieces of content and. Acids and tweets and videos, and this and that going back and forth that, you know, people need like a real clear start to finish understanding. And I hope we gave you that do. No, I feel beyond educated. I was going to say that we were talking about this the other day that I was quickly. I was at my cousins about mitzvah, and her her friends are the target demographic like James, and they are obsessed with him. And it was like literally that night that he was like quote cancelled. And I was I heard his name cheered like at the spot like multiple times. And I was like, oh my God of context. Like, I don't even know because I guess they know she saw obsessed with him that it was like the cap streaming. Jim Charles, James, Charles. And it was like I was like oh my God. They don't always cancelled yet. And it was like you're young for Twitter. They're too young for Twitter. And I was at the end of moments. I was hunger was like you James Charles had everything and she was like his target audience. The point of this being his target audience is almost too young to really understand all of this. Yeah. So his target audience. Really? I don't think going anywhere rats. Why it may not be the end of his career, right? All in less, the razz or fridge touch. All not only the brands the fact that his. Target audience needs parental supervision to be able to actually turn their support into monetary support. And that may be an issue. I don't know just I don't know. And the fact that this hit such mainstream media, I'm I'm sure all those moms are saying do you Jim Charles? They've bought they probably bought him the hostas seizure. Every every picture in her montage was her in the sisters. So so God again, that's his tagline that he makes merch about. So I don't know I want to just be really really clear and saying like, I watched hotties video. I thought it was very compelling. I thought it was very well done. I think she is a class act through and through that. And I think a lot of the things that she said were really disturbing again, we don't know the truth to it have to just say though. And she she'd made a point to say this also like it's so important for all of us. We can be fascinated by this because it is fascinating. But also to really remain having some sort of empathy for all this. Because like, I said imagine you wake up in the entire world is against that is terrifying. This kid is nineteen years old. I don't care about anything when you in. The course of two years gained this much wealth gain this much power this much fame. It's gonna go to your head. And it's sad to me that he did not have that support system around him to be able to bring him back to life. But I personally would never want to contribute to that. Even if I disagree with him because that must be really scary. And none of us know what that's like really Croly. And so like that's something that I feel like is important to get out there because we're not into the whole like what's cancel fuck at him think not at all our vibe. But I do think it's interesting get into it. And now, we know everything ever could make their own decision about what they feel what they do. You know, exactly as long as we know. I will say halo beauty really works. Vitamins of a big fan. He'll be dot com. I think he's not. Not an ad. I mean offered not pay you like what what state you have in this game. Tell you. I just have clear skin, and I forgotten. Okay. So I know that was a lot to take in. But we really wanted to just give you guys the clearest most full scope explanation of what was going on. Because this absolutely shook us to our cores. And I know it took a lot of you. So let's all just hope the end of his scandals and see what happens next.

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August Alsina, Jackie Aina & Colin Farrell?

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It's getting harder and harder to continue with his account with the memes and jokes aside, there hasn't been any content update for many many months now. This is no shade towards sky. Her circumstances are circumstances, not mine I will always respect her and the choices she makes. This is not a me issue. Oh, this is a me. Things ever been more of a you issue. This is a me issue. I'm starting to grow past the stand twitter fiasco. We all live in. There are so many great people I have met through this APP. You guys have made it a pleasure. I will hold on a little longer, but my patience runs thin. Hopefully we get some news soon. With time comes less enjoyment sky fear updates, Sky F updates. At Sky Updates I'm kind of annoyed that you read that because as the person who wrote it. I feel like I should have been the one to read it, but I'm so sorry. I didn't know you were twenty one years old. The kind of essence of this note I feel like there's so much here not just like this specific instance, but it's like Stan twitter, becoming more and more of like a toxic place to be and the question that is finally kind of answered. What happens I mean? It's been answered before. Before people just stop posting, but what happens when your fav- stops giving you content to update your. Dan Twitter with right. I mean sky. The memes that this person is talking. About are the means that like sky. Fair album will never come out and like they were funny, and then they became sad, and then she released a single, and then it was like where's the album, and then like literally in nineteen happened, and we forgot about sky fear. Honestly I did right I did, and the thing is is like this account. Is probably speculating, even more than I'm speculating like what's going on with sky could be like a number of things, or maybe sky is not meant to be putting out music right now or in the near future but Astana count. If that's your job is to look out for that, it gets exhausting. Get some point on Dharma's and Ben Affleck or stop going outside and we don't know on a fund. The police updates as going to do with themselves up now it's true right now is like their peak and. And after that, after after the other celebrities quote unquote, come back. We're going to have to pull away attention from banana. It said I feel I feel for the Stan Account I sort of feel for any person like twenty one year old, who feels an obligation to even release a statement like this? But. Like, that makes me sadder. I think then the plight that they as sky Ferreira Stan are going through. Without a sky for album. To them, you can quit. You don't have to do this. No one. Don't worry about it I know it's hard sounds harder than it. I know it's. So badly I get it, but you don't owe your followers anything you don't. For your own wellbeing, just like move on just like sky, doesn't you don't? And you know what nighttime. My time already exists just listened to that. It's right. It's a perfect, still good it was. On a perfect piece of art, so you can just go and enjoy that you do not need to be responsible for the direction of skies career in life as Astana Count I. think that's the pressure of the Stan Account, and I think it's fun until it's not so. We're just telling you that you can. You can quit. It's okay, but to quotes. Guy Is embarrassing so. You're listening to WHO's there are weekly call in show where we take your questions, comments concerns at six, one nine, who them Let's just get right into comments. Hi, Bobby Ramsey. just had deposited podcasts and call in. Because, they needed to weigh in on this beaten T in Memoriam Knicks out. Willie Brown is not just any politician. He's a very big deal in California. He was the first black mayor of San Francisco and he was the speaker of the California Assembly for more than a decade, so he was extremely powerful. Guys for decades in California. You know connick guy has a bridge. Jane Dr Him in the Bay area. And I'm surprised. I thought he was dead, because he just reinserted himself into the national news cycle last year when Kamala Harris was running for president, and he felt the need to write a op Ed about how he had one st hurt. so. Yeah She's very much alive and when he does die, it would be A. Very think the all but yeah, the be producers definitely fucked up on that one all right. Dr Comes, crunch. Yeah? This makes it even more even worse, Regis. Somebody at the awards didn't recognize like this is very important politician. WHO's not dead but who? Where you would be like I, feel like that guy is not dead. You know he's eighty six years old. He did all the things that caller said which is incredible, but also appeared in the princess, diaries, and the godfather part three and Georgia the jungle. I don't know what he was in those movies, but his wikipedia claims that he was in them and I think that's incredible I have a feeling that the movie just was filmed. Filmed in San Francisco, so like the when they take him out of the jungle. He's in San. Francisco can make assumptions, but I just want to know the truth 'cause he's playing the mayor of San Francisco in a while to be in San Francisco. Yes, he's in the movie because he's the mayor and there's a scene that takes place at the Phil Lowly House and gardens or something, and he's there. There's a party and he's there. Okay I'M GONNA. Find that clip and I'm GonNa put the audio here. It is always such a pleasure to see you, MR, mayor and you know it's so nice to get away from simple. Normal people change. Normalized showing. Testimony. Never touch that stuff. Hi, this is future. Bobby I'm not quite sure why. Mayor Willie Brown turns down. Holland Taylor's offer of pay in the scene from Georgia the jungle, but I don't really feel like watching the rest of the movie to provide a context just no, it's very bizarre. This is one that's your attorney. Listeners only in about the Rebecca stories I have to practice this call by. Tell you that I'm obviously American attorney and not British attorney. And this knowledge is cutting from the good wife, and not actual knowledge, but the nation as far as the good wife taught me in Britain, the burden shifts on the descendant. Prove that there. Is True. Whereas in the US is Rebecca, Vardi brought her suit. Against colleague, she would have to prove that call. It was false. In the. Colleen ruin. You would have to prove that. Her allegedly Tori statement against Rebecca parties with actually true. So, bobby I to pretty much right. colleague has their seats here and said that it was Rebecca. Parties Account that Saudi stories. Already is probably rain this dude to? Drag it out. Make calling spend money, and if the British legal system. Janek and legal system they'll probably spend a lot of court because it just takes more money and time to fight these things out through trial than it does to handle it. I don't know if that's right. I'm hoping that Juliana delete didn't Jimmy wrong. Yeah, that's my contribution, thanks. Here's another call from an attorney who kind of explains the weird results that could come out of this which are intriguing to me, so it's like it might not even be monetary. You can actually just get people to take the post down and that can be the end of it. It's like this interesting. High who weekly I call earlier about Clare Forty, but what I really wanted to talk about like Vardi and Kathy I'm a lawyer Practice First Amendment Law, but I did a lot of scholarship on first minute law school including defamation. This case of an English court and you guys have talked about defamation laws more favorable compared to American defamation law, which is very pro speech, very pro defended. It's very difficult to prove that a different defamatory has made, but in England. It's a little bit easier to prove. So I think Rebecca will argue. First of all that Kassy's scrammed posts was a false statement that caused rebecca serious harm including financial damages. but I think Kathy has a number defenses that that just aren't President American monitor actually quite powerful, one of which is. CASSIE will probably argue that her instagram posts was true that Rebecca was leaking stories about her to the press. The other defense that will likely argue. Is such. You just made an opinion that cassie posted her instagram post and it was. It was her opinion based on her sleuthing skills that Rebecca was leaking stories about her to the press. If you think about that like. That is crazy. That's just not President American law. If you if a defendant is like I thought he was an Athenian, therefore, I can get scot free. He's like kind of crazy to me and so something remedies are available to respect because which again or just not President American law one of which is that the court can make Rebecca remove the statement. I'M SORRY CASPI? which is still up by the way the court can also make castle apologize if Rebecca for veils in her case and issue a correction saying that her post is not true, which is. Huge like this again. This is not present in American defamation law. I am not a litigator, and I don't know how how it works in. England, but I but in America doesn't make somebody is extremely expensive and so I suspect that Rebecca. Can prove that she suffered a lot apart because of. TESSIES instagram posts and so a court. Is Likely to award her a of damages if he prevails face and so as lawyer. That's a lot of money in your bank, i. mean you spend a Lotta time litigating cases a lot of? So. I suspect that's why the floor tip this case, but also I'm sure rebecca has tons of cash. Anyway gets worn more. Thanks for listening to me. Rant about defamation law actually find super fascinating and did a lot of. Studying law school so very happy to. I think the caller here was accidentally cassie when they met Colleen, but I'm sure you figured it out anyway. Thank you so much to the lawyers and American about British Law Law students and people who are like well I watch. The good wife no, she was. She wasn't actual attorney, but it's interesting that even when people know the law in Britain, defamation as a concept is so wild into. Different there, though that's the thing like it's a totally different context of thinking defamation there, and you could get fucked over in so many more ways in England for defaming somebody like in the press, or whatever then here but I like that. A lot of blurs are like the lawsuit in it of itself is the revenge where it's like she will have to spend any defending herself or trying to the burden of proof is on there. I think that she wouldn't have posted this unless she had the solid evidence because she's aware of libel, law and defamation law in the place that she lives in. Like. She knew that this wasn't just off the cuff. This was like a process of quote, unquote investigation or what they are. But it's also interesting that one caller who was like the courts can also just make her straight up. Apologize and they don't allow you to do that in America. That's not like a remedy that they offer here, but in brain like you can be like delete. The posts in apologize Ning, what's going to happen? We'll follow this case. I'll excuse Hayao black woman here who also like is kind of a party everyday this. So I said. The Whole thing to add in some Allah I. Think the end this very moment that know about J.. Cole and his music. Like his followers, and like an air close for people who often have misogynistic tendency, and so I think for the longest time. taxamnesty miss and we're going to said I. Know I've definitely struggled with Jay. Call and then the thing you should also know about no name. Is that a couple? Sometimes I guess she tweeted about terrorism and people that said Julie Drive her, but I held her accountable, and so she started reading. She decided you know right now. I, think that it's a communist and she started a book club so that people could also go on a journey. Discovering and diverted from capitalism, so I think when this boil down like no name is not only in her funchess tweets, and literally created a syllabus. There is a book club that you can go to. I read and get like agitated so that you don't have to go on a song. I'd be like change your tone like she has given. You think that makes people angry. The way like a lot of gender dynamics within the community also came up and also. History of like homophobia and Transphobia. It's like I think a lot of people who are legitimately yet. Jake all that. Great Twitter Street like see what they're saying. so when I share on at the context I A. Scribe prop. So. You can go to. It's just so jarring to hear it. After that leg very thoughtful response you go to no name books DOT COM to join no names book club in July. They're reading captive genders, trans embodiment in the prison, industrial complex, and our prisons obsolete by Angela Davis You're right that maybe some of this I'm going to say quote. Unquote excitement about the kind of argument between the two of them came out because people were already pissed. J., Cole and they just want a reason to go for him because they're. They're like annoyed with him over all for all of his stuff that he does you know. And she became the face of the person who was like standing up to him away, and maybe that she realized that, and it became like a lot of pressure, and that's why she kind of ended up backing down because she's like I don't WanNa be this type of of artists and I don't WanNa be this type of public figure. Rain will yeah. That's just like, and it's like the caller said it was like he had issues. Issues like a lot of black women had issues with him and have had issues with him for a long time and so right. It makes sense that this black woman would come to represent all of those issues like they would all be distilled down into her like she would just become the poster child for the Problem Jaekle has with women, so all of that burden sort of fell onto her. No, that's what I'm saying like I feel like. She got maybe when she realized that it was just not about her and him. Him It was about this bigger thing and people were rallying around her, but maybe not in the way that she wanted she got frustrated, and that's why the apologies kind of came. That's because we were like. Why is she backing down? But now it kind of feels like this call in the context like she didn't want to represent for anyone else like she just wanted to represent for herself or whatever, but it sounds just like to. She doesn't want to be in like quote. Unquote beef with Jay Cole. That's not you know. She wants something to do with twitter beef in general, like like well, it's. Like, she's. She's not petty enough for that. She's like no, actually like do like. She said she created a syllabus amendment to be in a fight in a music career like in in rivalry, or whatever that takes time and effort, and you know I mean look look at the people who are just always in like a fight. You know it's like it light. We're going to talk about the beauty bloggers later. It's like these people they are. They live for the drama and no name is like. Please I want nothing to do with this. This sucks. It she's like it doesn't make my music or my art. Any better and I think that's the difference like between her, and let's say the Youtube fighters were. It's like the fight. Make their art quote unquote better because it gives it like drama narrative, and that's what people want to watch on. Youtube and they know that and it's monetize etcetera, but this is like the opposite of that. Where like it doesn't translate to that for you. Next call This is the unexplained. Hi, bobby and Lindsey I am quarantining living by myself so now. I'm just GONNA call over time is the patron caller who called about Thomas Newman. Thank you so much for that content I'm sure lots of lots of other people are calling you about this, but Stephen Campbell Moore if an actor in his own right and I think he's probably best known here. In America for the history boys. The vehicle that James Gordon and tore alive but he's also start a really wonderful movie called bright young thing with emily, mortimer, and things back away and Michael. Sheen who I think are all them but I guess that just leads me to. The question. Is Emily Mortimer? Who are them? She's attempt to me as someone who loves like. Early in mid two thousand Indian movies, but She them. No. One Belt. I wasn't expecting that. Yeah, we forgot that was up this call. Should we just get through it really quickly? Emily, Mortimer one-two-three who who right? You didn't say no I kind of think. She's a British them well. She definitely in British them, but like I don't know she might be at them. Emily Mortimer's like the most British name. Name of looking the so this is someone saying like really about Claire Foy and her husband. We got a lot of these calls like telling us about. Stephen, but I'm just saying. That's what intimidated because you were like. Clarify the clarify. Stands are out there like they are here and they know everything about the British these British actors, and like every episode of Downton, Abbey they've all been in because they've all been in Downton Abbey. They've all been in downtown. Abbey like like law and order SUV. It's like everyone goes on that show. It's like Oh. Claire, foy. ex-boyfriend played like. Alastair Humpty dump on one episode of Downton Abbey. It's like I'm sure he did we. This guy played played major check. Outlook I it's. About. How every actor who grudge who is in New York City has played like a dead person on law and order. This is a w quibbling. And also the other thing that I know that people always say is when you're over there. You can't throw a rock without hitting somebody WHO's been in the game of thrones like that's another thing that just like everyone has been on the game of thrones. It's not that crazy being on that show, but to know about this person. That's good to know I mean I'm also pretty sure we've talked about. All the people who were in clarifies or at one point I know kudos history. Our friend Stephen was like clairvoyant Matt Smith. We're on. We're on the crown together. They played like lovers and I'm like I know we talked about. Principles that you thought about it because they're so boring whatever they were in love, I love I love this call conversely. Here's this you guys I just want you to know that I offer march for Crown and I don't shit about credit points. I just loved it. Then I like don't Miss Represent crown watchers. We also don't give a shit about celebrities don't care. I, sure as Sesame Street alphabet sounds pretty good, but I would argue that it has nothing on Miss Patti Labelle version of the for that time. Also performed with the Sesame Street and Like. It is. The version of the alphabet but I will teach my future child and You have my word on that. Let's let's listen to Patti Labelle sing the alphabet. The. T. V.? Okay, but that only reminds me of this. Spa. Are you. On this Christmas. The words and her background singers aren't. But. She's still going. Saving I'm perfect. Because I don't have the right words. I have no background. It is one of the funniest. Moments and people are like yes, this Christmas. Okay you and I just love the idea of like getting the call. The call from Sesame Street as an actor or a singer where it's like it's like the thing your agent will interrupt your dinner with the president for you know like like you got it. You're GONNA like they must be one of the biggest honors because you know it's. It's. It's very Saturday night. Live in a sense like it's a combination of people who are really popular right now, but then people who are like legendary. Yeah, but still like it's an honor regardless to go on. Strike because those lips live for F- Ver- like they truly like teach and mould children for generations like people are going to be listening to usher, and Patti Labelle saying the alphabet until like we're dead and feel like you're about to ask me to give money to PBS or whatever to donate money to my local PBS. Is No longer on PBS. Dobie donate money to donate some of your youth Hbo Max. You should still be donating money to your local PBS. Even though sesame is is pay gated on HBO. Okay I hate this call, but we gotta do it this. This is the worst left Garcia so-social, so so so so so so so many calls. Here's one got to get up and start doing jumping jacks like it's rocky and I'm like getting ready for like this moment. I don't know about you, but. I don't know about you, but I've been buying more stuff online lately been trying to buy from business. I like want to support and turns out. There are a lot of those places just like more boxes than usual when I look at my. 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What an experience truly living in the golden age of People's downfalls from stupidity and Yeah Okay. Thank you bye! Bye! Thank you, bye-bye. That's how I feel about doing this thing. I do. I will say like it's not pure. Like bobby you definitely enjoyed or semi enjoyed watching the forty minute long. TATY video yesterday, right? I mean I spent as much time watching this shit as I did. Watching the August and Jada stuff like on Angela Ryan stuff right, but this was a miserable experience. This topic, but like everyone was laughing about it. Everyone was commenting about it. It's fun to feel like you're in on the joke I. Guess like it is a ridiculous apology video. It is so over the top where issue what hotel she and like you were saying like. Oh? Her background is unbelievable like it looks like a green screen. Download it for my zoom, so I like can convince people. I live somewhere nice and not shitty. Her skin is so do we heard so much going on there. I mean it. It gives so much, and it's not even about what she says in the video. It's just the video itself, so we have to cover this. Because we covered the original drama gotten the Youtube beauty dramas I honestly we were watching I also, so I watched all these videos. And then I also watched a few like some videos from like people who are really involved in the following this up like smoky glow, who is? And, she gave this like very level headed kind of explanation of what she knew. She gave this very level headed explanation of what she thought was going on, and she kind of. Implied something that I thought was really interesting, which was that? This is all just part of the original drama. This is not a new drama were just like continuing where we where we left off, and also the overall question as to why is this community of beauty youtubers youtubers who deal with makeup up and. Skin Care, and whatever why are they the most toxic group of people on the Internet like? How did we come this far right? And who is the person who is the center of this? Who continues to keep the drama? Toxic people scared, etc, etc, and the answer is Jeffrey Star because allegedly. That side, okay, but but he she is saying that allegedly, or but just through all the stories that people are telling he is the common denominator in all of these all of these dramas. That's what I'm trying to take from this video before. We even one thing that he did that did concern me. A lot was how he would frequently comment about how much dirt he held on other brand, owners and members. Are you to community I believe that he actually held blackmail material on many people and was capable of destroying the entire community. This worried me about him. And I stayed. I tried my best to be a positive influence, do you? WanNa summit up he. And he's also I think it's important to note like as far as we can tell the most successful in terms of the richest like Jeffery has the most to lose and the most to gain, just because he has the most successful business, and he has the most money any has the most followers will. He has gained the most from this life that he leaves actively. You know causing drama for attention nearly so because of that people in the beauty community both. Look up to him. They admire him. They want they aspire to. Want. They want to be like Kim in terms. They WANNA like. His career. They WanNa work with him because we're. GonNa Win Helps Your career being being chosen to have your face on an ad. For one of Jeffries, new pieces of makeup is really good for your Youtube Channel and for your brand, so we can explain it. We talked about the by sister video last year. Probably just over a year ago, it was may of twenty nineteen. The sister video God, where are we? Feels like we were so young men so it it really does so by sister was Taty Westbrook who again is a a huge beauty influence or on youtube she's. We can't spend too much time on her. Because we've already done it, but basically she's very successful. She's a woman. She's a good story in that. It's like she fell into this later in life like she felt into this in her thirties. So it's sort of like that fun thing. We're like look at this atypically aged person finding success in this very young, traditionally young sector of Youtube cool, so she gets a lot of followers because of that people generally do not have much beef with her because. Because, she is in the beauty industry. She starts rubbing shoulders with the likes of Jeffrey Star and Shane Dawson. Because he's an every facet of the universe and James Charles and James. Turrell's very young James Charles as he's on. The come up looks up to Taty. And they had this sort of mentor protege relationship, and in the by sister video she decides that her relationship with James Charles is over and done, and she says he's abusive towards straight people that he wants to hook up with that. He lied to her about these like hair vitamins hair. Gumy's and no. Let's remember exactly what happened. He promoted rival hair. Gumy's to get into a COACHELLA VIP lounge. And she was mad because she had just released her own hair gummy slash vitamins or whatever vitamins and she was. She felt like that was a betrayal. Let's let's remember what this. This goes down. James Said No. The hair. Comey's I didn't even know about it. Until the Coachella coachella offered them to me last minute, and she's like that sort of stuff doesn't happen last minute. Then come to find out. He provided the receipts and said yes. It did happen last minute. I wasn't doing this long term this long Kanda ruin you so then. She apologized, so she apologizes for that by sister video because James Charles releases a video explaining his side of the story. We forget about all of this ultimately taty deletes that video from the Internet. It's gone. She didn't even monetize it by sister. Goodbye. That video is gone, but the by sister, and then the then the response and the apology was a thrilling time. There was only darkness about it were these kind of lake. these allegations against him for being a little bit of a creep. That was kind of like the side stuff that felt like like what's your, are you? Where are you hearing this? Who's telling you this like? This feels not great if it's if it's something that is is just hearsay, right? Even at the time. It was sort of like strange superfluous Info- information because it was like I thought you were mad at him for this gummy scandal. Why are you bringing up this one dinner? where he flirted with the waiter? Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah okay so now suddenly last week this week. TATY releases this video called breaking my silence i. Know. It's A, is it? Breaking is islands I. Think it's I'm breaking myself because there was the funny mean that was like me after me after on meeting the zoom meeting, just say okay. Okay so. So she releases his video and again, it looks like she is in the middle of a resort in Bora, Bora, or she just googled resort and Bora Bora and made her background. It looks practically smell the sandalwood like rafting off the computer. She's so do we. It's unbelievable show duly. She has like stopping the video every five minutes to like missed her. Whatever that's what all the cuts are she has. Her IPAD in front of her that she's flipped flicking through because it has her prepared statement that like her lawyer approved, so she's mostly reading in this forty minutes every few Senate says she will break and do a little ad living, but nothing you believe she's reading, and it's still forty minutes long. There's an integral and then now tro. And there's a lot of crying, so you're like what is. What is she breaking her silence about? Because we don't follow this stuff closely throughout the year. Unless something like this happens, so it's like what is going on. What is she responding to? Okay? Here's what she's responding to. In a way. This video is her atoning for her. Twenty nineteen sin, which was dumping on James Chara, which she did already apologize now, but looking back she realizes was very hasty and petty. She's not just apologizing to Jeffrey and these video. She's apologizing to another youtuber named Jackie Aina. And Jackie Diana is that we'll. Jackie is a black beauty blogger. And so her whole thing has been like inclusivity and the beauty sphere like more shades of makeup like Deta like the beauty industry is extremely like stuck on white beauty and white products, and like everything needs to diversify from the products themselves to the people who are doing the promoting to the people who work at the beauty brands like she always points out that like. Of course, the beauty industry is skewed white, because everyone who is in charge at these beauty companies is white. So for years and years and years, this has been Jackie's sort of AMMO and I. Guess as we said because everyone in the beauty blogger, world and youtube eventually rub shoulders with each other. TATY has a relationship with Jackie. Simply because they're sort of CO workers in this space and win. Totti was doing more stuff with Jeffrey. Star apparently Jackie was like. Stay away from him. He has trouble and Taty ignored her. So that's another person. She apologizes to in this video. She's like I shouldn't have been blind. I should have listened to you like you were right. I was wrong. Yeah, I was naive. I was excited about the video I got twisted that you would provoke Jeffrey because you're angry that I had found with someone who had a history of being labeled by others as a racist. Jackie I'm sorry that I did not do the right thing and walk away from him then I should have not been blind to the reasons behind the accusations of his racism, and it turns out as we said Jeffrey Stars the common denominator here because this video ultimately ends up being about Jeffrey starring Shane Dawson to people who were mostly ignored in the by sister video because. As, she explains here the reason she made the by sister video in the first place was because she was ultimate, or she claims it's because she was. Related by the two of them into thinking that. James Charles was a sexual Predator and that if she released this video, James Charles's victims would come out of the woodwork and make formal accusations against him, so and they didn't, and they didn't, and she was like wait a second. I was made to believe that this was going to be the first step and unveiling the Truth About James Charles. Charles and it didn't work. It didn't do anything and then radio silence from Shane and Jeffrey, because it turns out that maybe they just had a personal and extremely petty vendetta against James. Charles and they wanted to see him burned like she says that she was being gas lit, but like our our friend smoky glow. It's less of gasoline in more of just being kind of stupid. Being being very every being easily convinced by all of these kind of like very compelling characters like Shane Dawson Jeffrey Star who teamed up for their the release of their makeup line as you remember that whole documentary, which was like honestly I, I mean it was honestly masterfully made the way that that documentary lead up to the release of this thing. I mean Shane Dawson on even really doing makeup anymore. That was literally for that. The promotion, and so this video also tied towards that promotion, and it was like they were worried. That James Charles was getting quote. Unquote too powerful or something within their industry, and they decided to get rid of him. Which actually now that I'm saying is like very devious. The whole thing is like very devious. It's very devious I mean it's so funny. Funny that this came out alongside everything else. That's going on like Jenna Marbles. I'm not doing youtube anymore. I did. I did black. Face I'm so embarrassed. This is not a fun place for me, and I just can't be here anymore. And then right on the heels of that Shane Dawson puts out apology video. He has like literally characters that our full. Full black face characters, and he's done terrible things. He pissed off the the Smith family because he like kind of May. There was a video of him where he was like he kind of sexually made sexual comments about oil, own willow was really really really young, so this was on the heels of that, so like those two things are almost overlapping and related and unrelated. At the same time it was also on the heels of this other beauty blogger that I had never heard of until all of this called Cameron Lester and he's a black man, and he has worked with Jeffrey in the past. He's been in I. Mean They I think they've been together, but like again there in the community. You fight with me over. He was in some of Jeffries ads for his new like Palette, or whatever his new line, and so in the ad, it was like showing a diverse collection of like people and scan types, and that was sort of the point of the ad right look at our shades, and ultimately cam was like I. Did this because I? Thought it'd be good for my career in Jeffrey like it was. It seemed like a good thing. Right promoting diversity and makeup, but he was like I regret doing it. I have been token is by Jeffrey. Jeffrey the only reason he wanted me in, there was because I was black like he wanted. He actually give a shit about me at all. And then he released this really long instagram live video sorry Instagram TV video where he's explaining like every away that Jeffrey and Shane have been creepy, so this predate atop the thing. This is like the tides returning against, or they've always been sort of turning against Jeffrey and shame, but like they were turn against them publicly in a big way before taty even came here like before taty walked into the room like. Cameron was doing the work. And Jackie was doing the work long before taty he was doing. The work and Cameron said I'm going to be talking about. Why I. NO longer support. Jeffrey SAR. Jeffey sarcomas medics and Shane Dawson. I remember being in Houston so this is the first instance something happen. I remember being in Huston and I was there with rich Luxottica collab- and you know. Jeffrey was there. He was doing work in business and all that kind of stuff and. We were sitting in a Louis. Vuitton store with several people. And I was excited. I was having fine. You know I was getting kind of behind the scenes of Jeffries live and you know some stuff that I wanted to do once. I got bigger established into the community and. I remember there was an instance where he's like. Asked me if I like James or not. And I was just so shocked he was like. Do you like James? Like? Do you like him? And I just was so shocking uncomfortable because he's such a big powerhouse, and he asked me this, and I was like like I I didn't even know what to say to. That was uncomfortable with those people around me, and he was so blind, an added nowhere asked me. Do you like James and if you? You guys know. Me James helped me with my career when I first got into the BBC space in Tell my HIV story like he's always been very supportive of me and I was like I. Don't like I don't have a problem with how do I? Agree with everything he does know, but I don't have a personal problem with him. He's done so much for me. So why would I go against him? And he was like well. You don't fucking him forever. And I just was like taking back when he said that because I was like it all happened so fast. You don't fucking him forever and I. Just remember that and I was like. What own MG and we're in the Louis Vuitton store, so there's this weird obsession with James Charles ear, and then he also talks about one time Geoffrey was inconsiderate towards Jackie. Aina and Cameron was talking to Jeffrey. Like you know it would be nice if you apologize to Jackie, where friends Buffalo Blah and Jeffrey flat out refused. Here's Cameron on that and I was just left it at that, but. At a black boy and a black influence through that loves Jackie. Trying to grow or amend? That disconnect that he did that wrongdoing that he has done so I was just like whatever wasn't personally tour towards me saw and I felt kind of like I just felt like it wasn't a friendship. It was never a friendship in the beginning to start with was always something like. I was Kinda like the token black. And leader he says let me quote it I remember Shane. Dawson called, and he was going off about James Charles, and just cursing James Out, and I was kind of taken aback because I've never seen Shane Dawson like that and he was just going in on James from there. I, knew Shane Dawson wasn't really the person he was perceived to be online. And this is another common thread in the story Taty tells this long story where she's like. The first time I met shame like I had him over to my house, and like I opened up to him, and I told him all about like my history of like abuse like trauma, like intense stuff that she told to Shane Dawson of all people right after she met him, and then she's like turns out. He's a bad guy and someone I shouldn't. Shouldn't have trusted with like my personal truths, and it's like Taty. TATY DOTTY dotty. How can you not watch one of Dawson's videos and not realize that he is a scumbag like it is absurd to me that she could be that stupid, but I'm starting to think that she just is that naive like or just like easily flattered i. mean these are very. You forget like these are all like entertainers, so they're like good at this. This is their thing, and so they. They flattered her, and she was so happy to be included, and she wanted to be friends with everyone joined friends with James. Friends Shane like the whole thing is like the more you talk about the more devious at ease, but ultimately what it boils down to is like there is one person who's connected to all of this who is? Pitting people against each other. Star! Right and I just wonder I mean the big big big conspiracy is like. Is Everyone in on this together for like the the views which I know like Click Bait is is a myth, but on youtube views our views equal dollars like very directly so I just the whole thing is just very like. Your mind will explode explode if you think about it for too long, which makes me feel like bobby you better. Cut this segment down because I think we could just talk about it forever and never come to an actual conclusion you know. And I one of the things that is sort of alarming that we haven't even gotten to. It's like it's not even that Jeffrey. has allegedly has blackmail and all these people. It's that more than one person. Cameron included. Have said things like I'm afraid of him like I'm afraid of him in a in a way that either seems. Where physical violence is the subtext where it's like this guy scares me and taty sort of says much to where it's like. This guy really scares me and. When you can talk about Tricia who has a in many ways, a complete the video in which she reacts to because that's some of the youtube, bread and butter right lakes reactions. In this I'm just an outsider, but here's my respond. TRICIA is a funny and empowering Youtube figure in many ways, but her friendship with Shane Dawson. Her undying friendship with Shane is probably one of her biggest problems because Shane Dawson. Ease such a fucking disaster area and I. It seems like a bat, a really bad person. A bag like it's. It's annoying that she has friends with him, but in the video in which she reacts the video when she's not talking about how. Shane Dawson is someone who should be defended. She says like I. Don't understand why Taty even did this. There was no reason for her to do this right now like we should be talking about Brianna Taylor. We should be talking about George Floyd. Why are you distracting? Everyone at this personal petty drama? That is the one point that she makes that I. Think is worth reiterating because it's. Why is she doing this now? Of all times issue, trying to get ahead of something is. What was the strategy for releasing that? Bad timing. You're right and it's weird. Thing is like as soon as people start saying my lawyers. My lawyers I'm like do a lawsuit if you if there's if there's evidence, if you if you have a charge that you want to make somebody if you're worried about your safety or whatever then fucking like to the court, we're talking about UK. People just like suing each other left and right for defamation and like why is everyone on Youtube being like my lawyers? My lawyers my Lawrence. Lawrence. It's like fucking. Sue Jeffrey, Star, then do it. I don't know you're all rich people. You all have the funds like I want people to put their money where their mouth is in more ways than just like going on Youtube and crying, because it just feels very then it feels fake as fuck, you know there's this disgusting video in which Shane Dawson went on instagram live while he was watching the video for the first time, and it's like. Oh, it out of the. Way Possible and whenever she is like I was abused, I was I was sexually abused. He implies that she's not lying, but that her tears are fake that she's not actually traumatized where it's like Oh my God. Everything you are doing is disgusting and despicable Shane. Dawson like you are the worst. And then he deleted at like, but of course people have it everywhere. It's it's him freaking out, but we can end this on a brighter note. Which is that Jackie Anna rules. Did you know that Jackie? Aina studied medicine for two years and was in the army reserve. And that is how she discovered makeup while she was stationed in Hawaii in the army reserve. That's squad. She was like oh I'm good at makeup. On love when youtubers live a lot of life, everyone keeps saying like. Please look outside of these like four people. These three people doing makeup to find more beauty influencers that are like not toxic and I guess it was unfair to meet for me to say in the beginning like why is this community so toxic? It's just like a few people who happen to be the most quote. UNQUOTE ALLOWED US! People and the loudest voice in the room like the thing is like because beauty youtube is so popular to watch. There's going to be a lot of people who want to do it, so that means there's a lot of voices out there. You just have to find them and as somebody who often clicks on what the Algorithm is served to me I'm also like a victim of like clicking on Shit, because it's there and not seeking further trying to change my algorithm, so that I get more voices than just fucking Jeffrey Star. You know yeah. That's why I really like this one youtuber smoky glow who we talked about at the beginning of this video is served to me after Totti's and I've never heard of this person, but she has a lot of subscribers and I was like okay, and she does beauty videos, but also explain commentary videos and inclined. Those are fun and this particular video I don't know if she used. She does this and all of them, but she did it in this one where she was like. And just so you know there are so many non-problematic beauty bloggers, and they're great, so I linked them and the comments and I appreciate it and I can understand why that would be so annoying. If you are in the community, it's like why is everyone giving these people oxygen when there are many better and more talented beauty bloggers right here that everyone is ignoring, and it's true. It's true, so we got sucked up in the TATY stopped. We got sucked up Shane stuff and the Jeffrey stuff, and honestly like Tricia says. Again not atro- TRICIA who sucks in so many ways. She's like we're all so rich. She's like we all make so much money. Do not worry about us. Don't worry about us and I I really respected that. She says that because Tricia is someone who has been. This tweet that you put in your taty crying over her brand, not having the best launch bitch. Nobody cared about me either so I'm over here fingering my pussy for five dollars. Get another job. What the fuck like! Yes, that's vulgar and not everyone wants to do like sex work on only I get that, but the point Tricia is making is one. That's important to bring up. It's like why are we spending so much of our mental energy sympathizing over these phenomenally rich people when there are non-problematic voices right here who aren't asking for our sympathy forgiveness. They're just giving us. Good Cardigan was like how dare I have to choose a side when both sides suck ass like. Brutal out there right so like Tricia in some way is right where it's just like nobody cares like. Get another job. You have access you have money. You can do whatever you want like and also the idea that again this came on the heels of Shane, Dawson, having to finally face like all of these videos that he had done in the past were so fucking problematic and so up and like this now. Now, is taking away the space in and energy behind maybe having to reckon with that like faulkner that you know it's like he's in the middle of being called out by Jada. Pinkett Smith of all people who is someone that you do not want to ignore like it's insane that he ignored her, and he's like I cannot believe Totti's being petty. Come on, and it's like Oh my God. You have some. You apologize to the to the Smith family. You're going to say you'RE GONNA scream and cry about taty like get your priorities are not. They're speaking of Jada Pinkett Smith. High. August I'll Sina. I. Read on Twitter today that He. Is Singer question mark. And that He. says. He had an affair with Cheetah can get Smith. Because! It said it was okay. The clothes that I thought was fascinating. That will he? He alleges. That will might explain that he and jade as relationship had gone from. Marriage to life partnership. Ostensibly, meaning that sex part was over. I don't know. Who is this person? Thank you so much French Divac was. This is so interesting and I think it's. It's scandalous for a few ways that I think have to do with the way that the Smith family is all other out here on Red Table. Talk like pouring out their lives, and like talking about all the like. They're literally pulling the skeletons out of their closet, actively unread table talk every week. They're still topics that are taboo for. For them and that they don't want to talk about I think it's it's going to be even more difficult for them to deal with this because they deal with so much other things in their open. They're all about like talking about it and justed all of those Red Table. Talk episodes about their marriage, and how like special how they had to really work at it and how? Like with will and Jada remember all that those episodes of any relationship in Hollywood they are the people most condition to qualified to discuss. Non Traditional marriages away. That could be understood by people who have no idea what an entre marriage looks like in a way that is palatable and understandable and gracious and thoughtful, and make sense and inspiring, and maybe they haven't done. But that, but that's what's so disappointing about this is because the already denying this so like basically this army sing our August all seen. We definitely talked about before, but I forget when and I tried to look and tried to remember, but I don't remember why. We maybe we talked about him because he was like the grand and people didn't know about him or. I don't. Do with sickness. I think it had to do with like he was at an award show and nobody knew who he was, and he was performing, and it was when he just came out, and or yet song or something like that, but the, but the thing is, he's this. He's a singer. He is relatively popular. I would say like. He is I can play one of his most popular songs here. It's called I. Love this Shit. I'll just play here. McCone drinking! Covered! Granny. so He's been around for a while and his whole story is actually like super sad like he's just been through a lot of shit including a lot of stuff with his health, he has like. Quite a few like auto immune disorders, which means that he his eyesight is very poor and like diminishing, so he's talking about that a lot. And he he collapsed on stage and this album that he is currently promoting. That just came out this week. The reason our last week the reason this album is a big deal. It's really long. Did you listen to? It's like an hour and a half long it's. It's his first album and like five years because he's been dealing with like his sickness, sister got sick and she died late last year like he's had a Lotta Shit going down so the return of August I'll. Big Deal in and of itself, which is why he was giving this interview to Angeles. And now it's even bigger, so he gives interview to Angelo who who works on the breakfast club and they do this like long. Sit Down, and they talk about like a lot of things, but in that interview he reveals something which is a bombshell on so many levels. For a long time that had been ruined for a long time, which was that he had been in a relationship, Jada Pinkett Smith for many years I think for five years. Does he say exactly long two thousand four years for years for years, so they were introduced by her son by Jaden, he was friends with jade, or he knew Jada, and he was introduced to Jada Pinkett Smith, and they became close, and they went on vacation together, and they went to the beach. He awards together, which is are pictures of. Of It that happened and he fell in love with her, and they had a relationship, and he says that he can play the clip here. all of it was okay with Wi with will. He gave his blessing. He's like you know we're in a very. We're in a special relationship. Were Life Partner? We're married, but we're you know we're life. Partners in our marriage is open and I. Think is is because people don't necessarily know the truth, but I've never done anything wrong I. Love those people literally. Like my family, I don't ever have I don't have a bad thing to say about them. They are beautiful people. I actually said down. With will and had a conversation due to the transformation from. Their marriage to life partnership that they spoke several times and. You know not. Involving Romanticism. He gave me his blessing. And I I totally. Gave myself to that relationship for years of my life. You know and I truly and really really. Deeply loved and have a ton of love. For her. I devoted myself to it. I gave my full self to. In arrangement like this is totally not crazy. It's totally normal for a lot of people, but I think what salacious about this is the idea that they have held themselves up to be like the perfect couple in a traditional way, even though they're out here on Red Table, talk dissecting that marriage talking about their issues like the fact that this isn't part of that conversation means that they're not being truly truthful or being fully truthful on that platform, which we come to understand is very truthful, because I believe August we believe August here. Yeah, obviously. Obviously and I. Think if there's anyone like I, said, it's just there's nothing stopping them from showing people that like both things can be true. Will and Jada could have the perfect marriage that happens to be open. It's perfect in a sense that like they know each other so well, and they're so committed to each other that they approach their relationship as this partnership where they want the best for each other, and the best for Jada includes like having a fling with this guy, then of course wills going to be supportive and I mean. More than a fling, but like a relationship, but based on what August says like the way that August describes will Jada relationship is beautiful like truly. He's like like the way that he describes will being like I. Love You like I'm welcoming you into this space like I. Want the best for Jada, and if that includes you, so be it like that should be something to be praised and I think August sees that and I think Angeles sees that, but here's the thing. What do you think it's either tougher? Jada to admit this outright, or they're saving it for a table. Talk like well. That's the thing is I. I want I. They're denying it now. They immediately denied it and part of. Me Not? True I'm so disappointed that. This isn't like I'm so disappointed. Because because I've been manipulated by red, table talk to be like very much invested in this family, and like respect that the truth that they bring when they talk about themselves, right they look inward as well as outward, so it's disappointing, and then part of me is like. Is this just like going to be on red tape talking amongst? which like would be great or whatever at so funny, linked this you linked this article from two thousand and seventeen when August Alsina had a quote unquote date night with Jada. PINKETT SMITH MOM who is on Red Table, talk. So he was like in with this exam in the family. So what's interesting is like if you look at it from the perspective of if let's say, he was lying. It feels like so. He has an album coming out that he wants to promote shore, and maybe his relationship with his family, and did poorly on some level and he's. This is what he is. Doing in retribution or a in kind of revenge or something like that I'm thinking a little bit like that, but. It doesn't feel like looking at his persona. And like what he puts out in the world that that this is something that he would do also the you're right. The rumors that are that are so far past rumors at this point about the smiths, really kind of seal the deal on believing him in a way. I'm just trying to play devil's advocate to think about what? The opposite of that, but it's like and I I get that like will Smith still one of the biggest movie stars in the world I understand that, and like any sort of break in him being thought of as the most traditional leading man possible, not even not even most because he is blind, which is year, but it's like it's I can understand why that would be dangerous to your image Tillich. Tillich. Break up the fact that like everyone has thought you've had a perfect marriage for over twenty years. The burden of being the first major a lest Hollywood star to be like. Let's talk about the concept of open marriages that must be tough to consider and the doors that it might open up like into his past, because the moment will publicly admits that he has had relationships outside of his marriage. Then the the vultures are going to be around and trying, and they will try to learn. More it's so much more about will than is about Jada. That's what's so sad about this as i. feel like Jada Would WanNa talk about this maybe or because it's I think it's so much more about whatever is going on with will is it because his image is the one that needs to be quote unquote protected Jada. You know I I don't think this wouldn't hurt. It doesn't make it's you know if anything. It's like empowering in a way, so maybe it would i. don't Wanna I, don't WanNa be so naive as to think that like all of America will understand this and accept the two of them the moment they reveal what is alleged to be the truth of their marriage, but I think that they are in a unique. Unique position to handle this better than probably anyone else at their level. Yeah, yeah, but as much as we say like Oh. This is like not even a big deal. People do this. All this is like kind of normal. At this point like have so many different situations in their relationship. It is still a big deal for for a couple like this to happen to admit this or to come out with. Would that's marriage. Let's be real. I think we're all like you know. We're all woke about it like it's chill like whatever whatever's going on is cool like so many different situations, but let's be real about like the very very hetero normative situation. That's going on in Hollywood where it would be a big deal. It would be a big deal so like there's so much going on here. It's so fascinating for so many different reasons, not just like the scandal of the of the reveal, but what the what the the Smith family has positioned themselves. Themselves as in our culture currently I I like to think that this will be a red table. Talk Episode, but I'm sure that's just me dreaming because it would be an amazing radio talk episode, but part of me didn't think that What's her face would be a red table talk, and then it was carly generous friend, but like all the way I mean. We played the clips, but it's just like the way he talks about. Them is just so so loving. Who could complain about this? Who could be upset about this I know? And looking these links like this has been rumored for a long time. He wrote this lake poem for her at her birthday. That was like very. Loving, and honest and people like Oh. This seems like this might be more than a mother son type relationship like it's always been a thing, so it really feels yeah. He used Gif of Jada in the video for the song where he says you got me feeling like it was an act. Your just an actress putting on a show because you don't want the world to know, and then there's a gift of Jada in the video like. Like this has been a thing for years now fascinating. I think there is going to be so much more to this. I hope there is more to this I think it would be really cool if they talked about this openly, but I don't know hello again. It's future, bobby. We recorded this Thursday morning and Thursday afternoon, Jada Pinkett Smith tweeted. There's some healing that needs to happen. Dot Dot dot, so I'm bringing myself to the Red Table. It's going to happen. It's going to happen. It's GonNa Happen. Bobby. How is your chain chain on me? 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We go and her tweet is Hashtag. Ad Making my Hashtag dip for dinner dreams a reality tonight with the new at townhouse US dippers. My dip game is strong, but I have a feeling. These buttery beauties won't break under the pressure. Congrats to the junior copywriter. Who wrote that here we go. So. That's one reason it says you're hungry now. And she just ran into a room, covered wall-to-wall marble and grabbing her townhouse. dippers is very like which of these things is not like the other. It's the house, the dipper and every shot. Like a very rich person reaching townhouse differ, and then here's has she has to have them because she's too short to cook, and she's jumping up into her cabinets shows. You can't cook, so she's just going to dip. Every single thing. Ending the day on a high note and she's holding. The town has a dipper fairly close to her mouth, but it never goes inside of her mouth I think that's important to point out. It's covered in some sort of what looks like Pimento. Cheese dip or you know cream, cheese, dip, and its ending the day on the high note so. I, That's so I. Don't WanNa like promote townhouse of delicious and buttery dippers, but I have to say the way, and I'm seeing a close up of them. They're like a thick cracker like a Ritz, but then there's kind of a dip in the middle, and there's like ridges I guess points leaking. Get like the dip over the Ridge and then sits on the cracker. As dippers in terms of like what I like to use as dip, these are too thick of crackers. Like you want a very thin crackers, you can eat more dip. You don't want such thick crackers I haven't even with this. You want thin cracker to beasts dirty though. The sitter Hugger, yeah, dirty, thin, cracker, a sturdy, thin cracker, but this is too thick like eight five crackers and be like that's too much cracker. What are those amazing? Oh my God the oh. What are the fucking? There are these Nut. Almond nut fence. Mom loves those those are so fucking good. They're thin. They are sturdy and you feel like they. They are crackers that understand the is king dip carrying townhouse. Crackers are delicious I do love same thing. I love club crackers, but I feel like when you're eating like a club cracker, which is all butter? You're like I kind of just preferred the cracker part to the dip. Like what's the point of eating Pimento dip. Club cracker you know like. Why are you getting? Both you don't need all of that richness. All you need is like a thin almond nut, then if you're going to including likes a powerful flat bread crisp. That's like the ideal dip platform. Strong I'm not into rice crackers, but like some sort of flake flat cracker, whatever dipping the other funny thing that this just makes me think of his lake. who were the other people that townhouse dippers went out to like? It's a very interesting match for them. Like was she on the list? Who else did they have in mind? Is this who they think? Their audiences is like Christian. China, with fan or whatever or like. Well who are Christian channel with like I wanted the two of us. I mean having having having both worked in advertising like this. Yes there is a scenario in which she was their number one choice. They only ran out to her, and she said yes, but more likely. Is that not likely? They had a budget and there are these they talk to these agencies who will give you literal PDF's pages and pages of PDF, saying how within your budget within your budget and they will do it this way for this price, so then they look at the demographics, and then they look at the people who have the time, and it's like okay, so we haven't. It narrowed down to Kristin Chenoweth. Debra, saying Tracy Ellis Ross and I. Don't know who the Chelsea Alice wrong I know. I'm trying to think of like. TV TV actresses Ellen pompeo and Ellen Pompeo it's like okay. Tracy and Ellen said no Debra. Messing can't do it these two weeks. The only person left who can deliver by e d Wednesday as Kristin Chenoweth like she just ticked. All the boxes. Is What happened and I don't think it's that crazy, but. You gotTa have someone who will take all the boxes and be this energetic and I in a way. Kris Jenner with is the perfect person for this. She's probably pretty affordable to I bet there list had a lot of TV. MOM's on it. I bet the TV. Mom Demographic is what they were looking for in a way. That's what they do with like a townhouse cracker said over a million followers, and it's like you're probably getting a lot of bang for your buck when it comes to Kristin Chenoweth. Do you think so? Yeah! On, paper on paper I think. Kristin Chenoweth to someone who has just anad wizard. On Paper Kristin. Chenowitz looks like a great fucking idea. If you don't really understand that Christian his sword of a tabloid lover and Sword of Fame Monster, you would look and see light her. Her followers also demographics that also helps her. Oh, yeah, that also helps her. Right I'm. This is really funny. She also posted recently Hashtag. Add Hey, Hashtag, l. a. and Hashtag. New York peeps enter for a chance to win. My Townhouse US dip for dinner kit featuring my Chennault worth it dip recipe. Let's play. It came for them because we didn't play last week. So here we go. Long you bobby medium time medium. how strong is the brand? Is this Merrill Number One show late night? Are then thinks. Thirteen pop women don't belong to. The brand is strong. Very strong Jesus and Miro, who were them one two three them I think are them as a duo. Maybe who's is singing by themselves. Unfortunately, which is what happens when you brand, yourself is Diesen mirrow Dis mirrow. The glow up of deason mirrow is one of the most iconic shell time I mean what they escaped to end up having their own showtime show incredible. They still do their podcast Halen and Bobby medium time second time, so have a two parter for you. I is Colin Farrell. who were them? I forgot if I've. Asked before I feel like he's in a lot of. Prestigious movies, but he's never the main character and then second seems to be a lot of famous collins. In Hollywood. Who is the most famous call in? And who is the least famous call in I can think of like Colin. Hanks Even With Sports Colin Kapernick Calling Mockery Let me know. Thanks live in a laptop schedule. You only POPs by question. We'd never talked about the famous for so focused on famous Chris's that were not focus on the famous collins, but the to Chris's. It's because they all look alike. There's a lot of range the Colin Landscape Oh yeah Oh. Yeah, most famous Colin is probably Colin Kaepernick but that's not Hollywood, so although I guess they're making that show of his life so maybe away. Most famous Colin who's an actor. We've got Farrell. We've got firth. We've got hanks. We've got jobs we've got. Who Else? Are There Other Collins I. Missing Colin Lynn Quinn Oh Colin Quinn Yeah. I think that's pretty much it. Are you looking for things? I know you are no I'm looking I'm typing and Colin and then that. I'm typing in one letter to see what name Costco Colin p Colin L. Colin this Colin K. Colin J College Age Colin Colin g Colin. So it looks like our most famous collins who are actors are either I or feral. Who Do we think is number one? Further Earth Yeah simply because of the the the time he's been around. FERAL is more scandalous. Farrell had the MO- scandal in his life. He's The most tabloid Colin Colin. Firth is like a leading man. He's like a leading man i. totally agree with that. I just think Colin, Farrell boy had a lot of tablets. Gail had a sex tape like he's up there. You know he's bad boy. He's calling fareless might favorite call I now. Say That Yeah I love. Colin Firth continues to work and Colin Farrell. It's like one. Who are you up to dude I think he's a lot of like bad boys. Stuff blake best. His accent and widows. But no one saw widows. Just me and you idiots idiots widows. He's in the Batman the morning. In the Batman okay, I, take it back. He's playing penguin in the Batman huge. It's huge. Right. Yeah, so so Colin Firth one-two-three them them. Yeah, for Oh, yeah! Call, and Farrell one two three, then for sure well. This caller is like you know Colin Firth. Colin Farrell Colin Mockery. What are you talking about whereas Your Brain Caller Colin, mockery, one, two three. Who who is that? Who the one from the original What's the drew? Everything's made up and the point so matter who's on, is that anyway? Who Signs it anyway, guys? How the older one? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay Colin Quinn is higher up than he is jost. One two three who? Quinn one two three Oh. Sure. Yeah, that's an L.. He didn't. He didn't last sentence tough, because I feel like people know people, but also don't know them. So like Colin Jost. Watch, you know who call injustice because he literally is one of the few people who uses his own name because he host weekend update, but also I'm kind of like and other. Collins Kapernick them right them. Absolutely definitely number one Colin probably right now. other Collins Hanks Hanks last. Colin will do one two three hill yeah yeah. I mean. He's son of Tom, but also but also an actor and a handkerchief entrepreneur, but I'm not sure that he is quite a them them status and I think he's fine with that. Think he would be fine with it to barbecue sauces. WHO's on? stubs. KC masterpiece. Pavia raise. Bullseye. woo-hoo Woo Woo. That's where the call in by the way so thought to be a great way to end the call, the Luvell Is Related to win. You Win. Last episode where you where you shake off the what were you? What were you doing Whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa. WHOA you're. Then the Dunkin. What's funny, is you. 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Love You for calling, but this is a ridiculous question. Bribe's so fully regional. Unlike a lot of the times, people have barbecue sauce that is in there where they live. Like the the you know, I mean a lot of people around here have dinosaur barbecue sauce. Because Dinosaur bbq is based out of New York, but like they also sell that elsewhere as well so maybe, but I just that's like the knowledge of dinosaur here is people are aware. My favorite barbecue sauce is actually Rudy's barbecue sauce, which is from Rudy's barbecue in Texas the first of which was in San Antonio by the way Rudy's. K. Mice. His essay USC Rudy's Barbecue Salt Lake is like a barbecue sauce I love. People have, but that's like specifically to that Texas spot I would say be raised. Is the barbecue sauce if you don't have Heinz or whatever sweet baby Ray's is the shit? It is the best if you're if you're if you are going to the grocery store and you're like. I gotta get good barbecue sauce. That's pretty ubiquitous that I am not going to have trouble finding its way baby raise. Yes great marinade. It's great for a lot of. For every every barbecue sauce purpose, or you just make your home, rbq sauce which I'm out here doing, but I'm not. I'm not out of your meal I. If I want the sweet stuff. I want to be raised, but I think I tend to prefer like more vinegary spicy, hot slamming barbecue sauce. What about you? What about you? I tend to I tend to go more for the sweet. If I'm going for barbecue sauce, because it's kind of like I, came from. It's like it I to start in a catch up. It was like a step up from catchup. which I think is yeah. Yeah, people feel. Feel about barbecue sauce. It's like Oh, it's like ketchup better, so it's still kind of like. I wanted to be a little sweeter. You don't WanNa. have to growing up. We always had the honey barbecue sauce. It was the sweet honey barbecue sauce up there. Not The regular one and there is a big difference. 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116: Frosty The Sex Symbol: Thursday, July 2nd, 2020

The Morning Toast

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116: Frosty The Sex Symbol: Thursday, July 2nd, 2020

"Good morning, millennials welcome back to the morning. Toast, happy Thursday that feels like a Friday 'cause. It is our last show of the week before the holiday weekend, but I digress. It is in fact a Thursday the day after day, which is always a sad day because you can't hump anything anymore. Is a Thursday that feels like a Friday, so I'm just going to go with a Friday. Yet definitely so excited for the holiday weekend so excited to be doing a show with you well, the sweets is so much should be so excited about him before we say anything else I need to clear something up that Dina, Manzo and Caroline. Manzo our sisters who married brothers, so it was very much like the deer toasters that we had yesterday I had realized connection all of the connection, so so many people let us know. Some pocket of my brain must have known that because we did watch the early seasons of real housewives of New Jersey. No, and even when we came to the resolution that we came to yesterday did it makes sense to me right? Right they've always been sisters, but then in that article it was like they married, and so the whole thing did it make sense to me, but now understanding that they are sisters who did in fact, Mary brothers I appreciate all the responses and actual actually also got a lot of responses from people just about the whole taty shane take because everybody has such an interesting thing on it and I love hearing from people, and honestly from for the most part what I got from people is like at the end of the day. It doesn't even matter because you just can't be unchain side because he's so awful and what and it's true like what his videos and. I'm on the Tick Tock side of Youtube drama, and they've been resurfacing some of his old videos and they're just. They're just awful like their their unforgivable, so you just have to take taty side because you can't take chance. So what you're saying is if you could just take out of the equation burs second like the people still aren't on Taty. Side like you can't, but you know what's so interesting is like I feel like the community's not on any one side like they're literally like. Breaking down these video like pointing out inconsistencies. They're canceling chain and they're waiting for Jeffrey. Do something so they can jump on. It got it. Okay well I like the community I mean at least between us like it feels like most people are just. Bother to have had their time wasted. which is so crazy, because like I have nothing but time to waste these days. I didn't that honestly that thought never even occurred to me. I was grateful for the content. No, and you know what I'm grateful for. I think what Taty did. James Charles initially and then when James like came back I think that was such an interesting like social experiment. I agree the way that people just hop on these bandwagon without having all information. No and they only hop on the bandwagon, because like all of their friends are doing it they. They. Don't actually believe even the gospel of Taty. They just like are doing it because everyone else is I i. don't have friends who watch Totti's video I watched here talking about you. I'm like who's the sweet woman. This is so sad. No, I think a lot of people within the community like saw the numbers like everyone was now subscribing to talk to you, so they just like go with it because that's what everyone's doing, and it's easier to just do what the world is doing then like try and form your own opinion. Sometimes I think it's easier to just. Take, what's right in front of you? Instead instead of seeking out additional information that, too, but also like we don't have the additional information until James spoke but i. just I always reference dot controversy controversy because I think it was just so interesting in in the whims of the public. I totally agree the whims of the public sociological experiment, and what was interesting. Was that like Taffy? She thought this whole thing was a joke. They were filming it and then remember. She said that under video that like this will have been some big social experiment that she was like the butt of the joke, which is just the money that she also thought that yeah, well, she thought that after the because like it, it was so greasy her when like she wasn't even the woman thrill issue whatever I think. We spent so much time talking about it yesterday. Without any additional information I have nothing else to say no, but I could go on with people about it forever because I. I agree with what everyone's saying like. No one saying anything wrong like an is dumb that we're talking about this again. Like talk to you, honestly it. is a little too convenient for her to be just like blaming it all on her being gas, let all but chain and Jeffrey are like very problematic. I I agree with everyone great. That's what we do here at the today. Show is going to be fabulous. Of course fast five stories I hear a rumor. It's unfounded, so I can't confirm or deny at this moment, but I should hear a rumor that there is a Kelly's mindless news happening today, which it makes sense because we're heading into fourth of July weekend, and so there would have to be Kelly's mindless news like the fourth of July holy. Day Kelly's mindless news like the fourth of July. Why didn't even realize the? Important historical moment that is currently happening this. What kind of importance this weekend held for not only our country, but Kelly RIPA's well for km in well fabulous I think we jump right in. 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Hope you rotten in prison cell for the rest of your life. And why did it take so long? They couldn't find her. Yeah member. Someone thought they saw her at in and out, but it was like a prank. Yeah, glazing, Maxwell the British. British socialite and close friend of sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein has been arrested by the FBI NBC News has reported quote. She was arrested on the East Coast Epstein related charges and is expected to appear in federal court and later today the report said the soon maxwell had kept a low profile, and her whereabouts were unknown since Epstein's arrest last July on charges that he abused in traffic in women and girls in Manhattan and Florida between two thousand into two, thousand and five. I mean more than that, but yeah, but then he went to his island that they took it to the island, which is not on us, jurisdiction as I should know that if I worked for DOJ, but the FBI did rate it, so it was harder to catch him on the island. Well, I just think this is fabulous. La Over Ju. I'm doing a little dance. Knowing that glazing maxwell is a terrible person who was an aide or and a better of an enormous sexual Predator and now she's going to probably hopefully God willing Bronco Sham spend the rest of her life in prison. Cell hopefully. Little Justice will be served. They'd I just hope Jesus step one of Jeff Jeff I just hope she doesn't mysteriously disappear in the night. You know there's so much. Creepy vibes like in this whole. Like so much luminosity like what's really going on, and it's very possible she could you know like escape? Yeah, definitely because she. On her own every time. This story like you can't get crazier. It goes and gets crazier. Yeah, and look. She's super connected through obviously like Jeffrey unlike the network of pedophile, cheap procured and who they protect. Yes, but she's also very wealthy on her own documentary, explained it a little bit like her dad is a British publishing magnate or something. Yes, but then it was questionable, and his death was very spooky as the boat related to perhaps money troubles interesting, so it's all Sukey. Yes, Gla Zane I. Don't know what how do you pronounce your name Cozine? Lane is what they said. Yeah, they said the documentary but I don't want to give her their respective pronouncing her name correctly so Gla Zane. Whatever your name is by the at is gateway. That's what that's what they said in the documentary, and it was such a fabulous like lane now it's Glick Lane. jig Elaine Villain, Glenn. I'm like she made me so mad in the documentary, arguably more than Jeffrey Epstein, because yeah, because she was just as bad as she participated in the abuse. Yeah, she abused a lot of girls. It wasn't really touched upon actually a lot of problems with the documentary. We talk about in a few episodes ago, but I just feel like it wasn't enough like four parts like when we got an eight part tire king, and like a reunion special like and we're still hearing from infant prison like I could've used literally a ten Jeffrey obscene I feel like it went so much deeper into more celebrities, more businessmen politicians, but they just really kept it to Jeffrey and barely two lane so. I would like a Redo actually how interesting I still didn't finish it, I need like a real. Netflix's does good documentaries, but this was done by Netflix's and honestly I was really disappointed in. Discovery Channel What does that. I D I whatever in investigation, investigation discovery, the place does piles on them to put together especially for me. Maybe maybe you'll get that I feel like. Especially as the story develops with gasoline, and who knows what what comes next would always be possibilities for more documentaries just feel like, and also when one documentaries made about a topic five more come after statistically your sickly speaking, so you have five coming your way I just feel like it's important that we never stopped talking about Jeffrey. Epstein because at the end of the day. There's so many people who are still free people I don't know. Know their names yet, but I know that there's like celebrities, politicians, businessmen, important people world leaders who are part of the ring and the I know. They want this to go away, but I will not let it go away. Yeah, because you want to know why. Jeffrey Epstein did not kill himself. And I think that's important that everyone. Talk about it every day. When you're saying your morning prayers, you get on your knees. You Cross your heart. Heart. You say and Remember Jeffrey Epstein did not kill himself. Yeah, but you know what I think. The good news is that we are on the same page about that matter. How many times this article would like to say Epstein, who pleaded not guilty killed himself in his Manhattan jail. Cell in. August I'm sorry. The Guardian did no one. Tell you Jeffrey I've seen didn't kill himself. You, you're you're making yourself. Look real silly. Okay, you know. Know The Guardian whoever wrote that like yeah, and you know what actually gives me solace like peace of mind is that you know our country so divided right now? Unlike the political climate, it's really toxic like I feel like people are just have never been disagreeing more, but at the end of the day we can all sit down for dinner and agree that Jeffrey Epstein did not kill himself, and you know what it what Jeffrey seem. To that world, and that's his legacy kind of power fall. Yeah, that's actually not his legacy. His legacy is being my sexual Predator but I agree with you. Claudia. That's beautifully at. That's agreeable. Okay ready for next because it's up, it's the news that I know you didn't ask for, but still warms my heart Khloe Kardashian interesting. Thomson aren't giving their relationship another try. It's so weird I absolutely love Clubcard Ashi, and like arguably one of her biggest fans, but when it comes to reporting on stories about her love life like I'm immediately heading to China. Ville Yeah well. This is my stop. China station really not spoken about these two, because they're so an interesting. Yeah, and it's always like. News, that's not really news and just about them co-parenting and forgiveness etc, but it seems as though they really are getting back together and I shape I'm GonNa, go ahead and say it I shit Shit because they have a child and I think if they can work it out. That'd be great for true, too. I think this is the greatest love story of our generation. Absolutely not do I. think that it's GonNa. GonNa work out for her most likely. Not do I believe in trust that this is the best decision for her. Will I trust her, and it's her life to make her own choices, but you know when you get that feeling like I was actually thinking about Khloe Kardashian yesterday because I was looking while I was like stalking pictures of Meghan fell Megan Fox and machine gun Kelly I always call them Megan Kelly. Machine Gun Kellyanne. Megan Fox but Derek Celebrity Nagin Kelly. And I was just looking at pictures of them, and like the way we spoke with was just like I feel like they are going to be it forever. And sometimes people get with the partner, and you just know that it's like the end of the road for them. We were talking about someone sweetly Lord. Yes, and so I have never felt that way about chloe because she has such poor taste man. I felt that way about Lamar. Oh, about Lamar. Yeah, yeah, but that didn't work out. Yeah, I just I just getting that feeling I'm not feeling that at all right now, and so that's kind of my barometer for whether or not this is GonNa work out. Yeah, but I do also feel like sometimes I get that feeling about a couple, and then it's just nothing of the story. I don't know who's broken up recently. That was a shock like around beat. No, but see see that's exactly. That's glad you brought that up. Because sometimes that feeling gift to be able to identify that feeling within you. Is it like the infatuation feeling? Where like you're obsessed with? The pictures, which honestly it might be for me and Megan Kelly, but were you obsessed with the future for them? You have to really be able to. Be Introspective enough to identify that feeling. Okay a couple that I want to ask you about because they're really going the distance as far as like nick and Bianca's no, but yes them to. Justin Haley, oh I'm I'm on the ship and it's heading out to sea like it's I. I'm happy for them. I think they're actually like dropping anchor to yeah. No I believe in their love and I think for a while. Also weird and fast when he was still being so linked to Selena, but at the end of the day like what's going on the tabloids like most likely, it's not even going on real realize it's a relevant, so it seemed weird fast and like she was like A. A similar girl to Selena, but after learning about them, I watch actually a lot of his documentary I. Definitely believe in their love. They've like the shared faith and I believe in their love, one hundred percents. Yeah, I agree okay. Cool and it really worked out for them. Both careerwise I just also be like when we ship when we build a ship and we hop on and we got out to see like we know. The opposite actually maybe we do. Cursed no I think when we all give a couple. Our support like they feel supported air four. I am throwing my support behind Khloe interest in no, I am too because I support her, but like in the back of my mind, I'm just like being realistic, and that's. You really can't blame me for that. Okay, that's fine. That's fine. Time. We'll tell okay Garcia from real housewives of Beverly Hills says she quote felt pressure as the first black star of real housewives of Beverly Hills shoes to fill Garcia is opening up about being the first black cast member of the real housewives of beverly, hills the actress who joined season ten, and is the first black woman to hold a diamond since the franchise debuted in two thousand, ten, explained during a recent episode of the Reality Life With key Casey podcast that she. She felt quote pressure taking on the role quote did I feel pressure being the first woman on is Beverly Hills. Yes, I definitely felt pressure that people wanted to come in and do a certain thing or have a chip on my shoulder. I really didn't want to be labeled an angry black woman. She said of the stereotype. That's not who I am I just wanted to stay true to who I am I think that's what people have been able to see so far. Definitely she also talked about handling response from social media. She said I was not prepared for how social media takes over Lisa Arena told me that is one thing to shoot the show. It's another to see it and what the others have said about you, then the whole world as in there are so many layers to being on the show. Well I I can't stress enough. How much of a disgrace it is that it took ten season Seattle block housewife in Beverly Hills, but now it happened so great, but it's a shame that it took so long and I think our cell is the perfect choice i. think she's doing a fabulous job and I love the cheese being open about like the experience about like. Like not wanting to be like putting a box or labeled a certain way, and I feel like she's really coming in like I, see her as a very strong mom, a strong businesswoman, a good friend, funny, beautiful stylish I like she's really grabbing all the elements like she's doing it all yet doing it all. She has opinions like I agree with so far her two. Of every character so far even though she's just meeting them right, we've known them for so long. Nope, you just summed it up really well. That's the key to a very good housewife is like when they come on the scene. Like what do they think of other people? That's why I love. Erica Jane sniper from the side. That's exactly who Lisa Vendor pump was, and she really encapsulated very well. If I agree with your take on things I'm automatically a fan of you. It's just like with your judgement. Others, Yeah Yeah. I totally agree actually. This article made me Miss Housewives. It's been a long time. It's back this week thing next week. 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There's been like stuff going on with Ellen during quarantine. In terms of you know things coming out about her that she's rude and mean accordingly the me. This woman alive. That's what people's allegedly but also something strange was that she'd stopped filming her show from home, and then on IMDB it said that her episode her last episode was her final episode. Maybe that men season finale. According to Claudius according to switch, it felt like a series finale, so there were rumors swirling and I. Think like you know. Part of this rumor. Getting so popular is like I think a lot of people want it to be her last episode, so it's like we're just praying and like we're hoping that this is true. But what did they say? Okay? Producers are speaking out. Rumors have been swirling. Ellen might have had her last dance. Insiders are whispering that the Ellen show could be cancelled soon amid reports of falling readings and allegations of degeneracy, being quote rude to the staff, however, when reached by the post for comment about the claims to generous as production company Reps said, tell pictures can confirm it's true. See to be honest I. Don't really like Ellen, but I feel like this would be a terrible way to go out in the midst of all this controversy like you're just going to bow out and I feel very. Weird about Ellen, because like yeah, she's the meanest woman alive out of crime. No, like obviously, she's not like the greatest person to work with, but she's a very accomplished lgbtq plus icon, and it would be sad like this is how she went out. Yeah I and I feel so weird about her like I. Literally Hate Her, but like I don't feel cheated. Her I respect her and I don't feel like. She should be cancelled like shrip- for success. Yeah, because she's like sometimes a bit, but I mean people should treat others with. Also the chance that you know some of these rumors are unfounded, and maybe she's not as bad as people thinks that she is, and so I think if that's the case in Shisha, GE's. Continued, doing what she does, and spreading light and kindness on her show. The irony is not lost on us that her whole vibe on the show is kindness giving back philanthropy, and it turns out like behind the. She's like this evil woman. She is us. You know rumors. We haven't heard from her on the matter, and so I just think the proof is in the pudding, and so if she wants. Wants to bow out now it would kind of confirm everything that we heard yet and would just be like a sad way to go out for what is a very successful and accomplished career. Yeah, I don't think it's over me. I. Think that like filming from home has been weird for everyone. Everyone's on break now Jimmy. Kimmel and there's just sort of up in the air with next plans. Yeah, so. I don't know but part of me is like. Let's say it's true. Let's. She's mean she's mean like okay like. Of course we should be nice to others, but like doesn't make you a criminal like, and it doesn't mean you should be cancelled I just like the way people come for Allen, and myself included like I. Don't like her like the way. She's like the butt of every joke and like on twitter. People really come I just like weird. When like really all she did was like. Like be nasty. Which of course isn't good? You should always be kind to others, but in the grand scheme of the world like people who have gotten canceled. It's really like a two out of ten. Yeah. I agree so just want to think about I agree you think about this. And finally of course become to others. It's not well no matter how successful successfully are like. You should be nice, but I'm just saying. No I hear him been Vinyl Story Jason. momoa is going to voice frosty, the snowman in a live action picture for Warner brothers and stampede benchers Warner, brothers and Sam Adventures have set up frosty the snowman, a live action film that will see. Star Jason of voicing the iconic snowman. Thoughts here? My thoughts on this I absolutely love. Jason Momoa like the hair, the arms the is everything the tattoos, but I'm going to see any of that as a voice character, and while there's so many things I love about Jason Momoa like his voice is not really anything ever noticed so I most likely won't be seeing this even though I am a Stan amongst stands. It's just like weird. Like some people I get I mean. Get any solo. Have a face for enemy should get no, but also I get like major stars transition into a voiceover work. It's so easy and so much money like and you get to reach a whole new audience I. Totally get it to me. This seems like a very strange move for Jason. MOMOA sex symbol. FROSTY THE SNOWMAN I don't normally put the two in the same sentence. And I think frosty. The Snowman is texting. Honestly me to like those curves. Sexy so sexy, just weird. Hanging actually really do Jason was voice though and so I think he'll do a really good job I. Don't know if I'll be watching it because I don't know if it's meant for me. But I it's it's interesting news into it. Some interesting news I'm so glad you brought it up, but it's just weird like. Unless there's going to be a side by side of him into a steamy voice booth with his shirt off. I'm really not interested in letting this. Arm Taff or like, unless there's like a behind the scenes for real like if I buy the DVD, and there's some special effects of Jason, Momoa and like a really warm small voice booth, and the cantor, in Iran because the microphone, and he's getting really warm and it just he said. Can you mind if I take off my wife, my, we say white beater anymore. Sorry taped up, T my teacher and he starts dabbing his sweaty chest with it. I will only purchase the DVD if it promised that in the special effects afterwards that that is. A thing. Okay I said what I said. And I will say I. Don't know like at haven't watched live actually. I guess. I watched live action. Films are really big deal. They do pretty good job with that. You know like beating the beast I? Haven't seen one I didn't love Lion King right so maybe this maybe this next one for us, which was live action snowman. How the fuck you do that! Sorry. Age You know what I'm about ninety snowman, really about to make a fool of myself, but like I'm not. One hundred percent sure like what story? Frosty. The Snowman is like I know Jack Frost, and he makes us. No Man in this dome comes to life, and that's where the story kind of ends for me I'm not sure like what what what adventure do they go on? Okay, so according to the picture in this article, there's towns people who look excited behind frosty and frosty. The Snowman Santa is in the air, so it's definitely a Christmas this Smith's spill. It's Christmas film I think I'm getting. Is Marching with people behind him and he's carrying a broom. Leader. He's a leader. He's really either. Jason Mode Voice Him Oh. You know what this whole thing. Coming together seen each other. Leaders e chat the from Cali drug out to frosty the snowman. This is beautiful and there's a song to. See The snowmen. Lyrics. Data that I'd like to get my Christmas I'm sorry that that Dad. I. Happy Jason Momoa always before we let it burn day in every way before we let go into the holiday weekend. We are excited to be doing another segment today of. Kelly's mindless news like the fourth of July. This one actually doesn't come from people magazine. It comes from hello, which is also a magazine that loves to write about her I believe they're big in the UK and you're not gonNA. Believe this Jackie. The. Headline is hit me. The headline is like Earth Shattering. Kelly RIPA's porch at. Kelly RIPA's porch at home in New York has to be seen to be believed. Kelly RIPA has quite the event for lockdown and recently returned back to New York following several weeks spent in the cabin. Okay, so we're confirming. confirmed. They're just like the whole article about investigation. Never like gave us the full circle moment, and just like put it subtly in the first line of the next so Kelly the live with Kelly and Ryan Stars no doubt happy to be back so happy to be surrounded by home comforts, and recently shared a photo of herself, and and swallows posing on their porch. The spacious area features wood-paneled. wood-paneled floorboards and cream rug, giving it a homey feel. 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252 - Distilling in Memphis: Filling Barrels Ten Feet Off of Beale with Alex Castle of Old Dominick Distillery

Bourbon Pursuit

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252 - Distilling in Memphis: Filling Barrels Ten Feet Off of Beale with Alex Castle of Old Dominick Distillery

"I was like Saint Dominic right and like I don't know that was the same way. There's an old dominant collected also like a freight line and then we passed. Old Dominion a this is episode two hundred and fifty two of Bourbon. Pursuit I'm one of your host Kenny. And our whiskey from home event is now over. I must say that. It exceeded all of our expectations at went down in the history books as the first ever. Worldwide Virtual Bourbon event. Thank you to everyone who joined in made it a success. We love getting the feedback as well because it looks like we could do around to in the future. So here's a breakdown of the numbers made over forty seven hundred registered attendees through event. Bright with over twenty one thousand seven hundred total website visits and our maximum concurrent viewers during the livestream was seventeen hundred with an average around fourteen fifty. And that's for the entire five and a half hours that means we had a little bit over eleven thousand people that dropped in at some point to watch all or part of it. So if you WANNA relive it you can catch replays going to bourbon pursuit on youtube. Subscribe there and look for the whiskey from home playlist. According to a new survey of one hundred eighteen crap distillers released by the distilled spirits council of the United States and the American distilling institute. They found that nearly two three craft distilleries worry not only about the long term survival of their business but the short term survival as well forty two percent said they do not believe they'll be able to stay in business for more than three months while another twenty one percent are worried. They ought to go out of business. Within the next three to six months up those distillery survey they have furloughed over forty percent of their employees as well. So please take this as a message as an initiative to go and support your local. Craft Hillary's before late. We need to see this craft bourbon boom happen and that's because we all want to see a good variety of products available on the shelves for years and decades to come now in some other trending released news. Buffalo trace has announced a special eighteen year old. Eh Taylor Bourbon. Release this one hundred proof bottled in bond small batch. Bourbon was put into barrels. Back in two thousand and two barrels chosen for this special batch matured using one of three. Buffalo Trace Mash bills. We did Bourbon Rye. Bourbon one and right Bourbon to this one time. Only bottling Taylor Juniors eighteen year. Old Marriage is very limited and the six bottle cases. We'll be shipped in the impressive wooden boxes that were first used by cured oak. Release in two thousand fifteen. These boxes are modeled after the wooden crates used by Taylor to transport goods during the days before prohibition and this special bottling of the eighteen year old marriage bourbon whiskey for colonel. Each Taylor will be available. Starting in June in limited supply with the suggested retail price of sixty nine ninety nine for today's podcast. We went on a road trip to check out old. Dominic distillery in Memphis Tennessee. Now we're excited to let Alex Castle Master Distiller at Old Dominic share with you the history behind the brand and how it was resurrected. We also take a few minutes learn about her time at wild Turkey and then we dive into her current operations and the product lines themselves. If you're in the Memphis area or you find yourself on a Barbecue. Destination make old dominic one of your must stops at incredible facility. We were blown away by the whiskey and the hospitality. Did you know that you can now order? Barrel craft spirits online. You could access their award winning products easier than ever before so you can go to barrel urban dot Com and get your hands on them because there's no time like the present so just look for the button all right. Let's get on with the show. Here's Fred Mimic with above the chart. I'm Fred Mimic and this is above the char. I'M GONNA take you down. Memory Lane and whiskey media you see whiskey media did not really exist until the nineteen nineties. Whiskey media from a consumer perspective was non existent until whisky advocate or malt advocate. Then and Whisky magazine came out in the early nineteen nineties and they saw the size of tourism with the Kentucky Bourbon Trail with the Kentucky Bourbon Festival and all this enthusiasm around Scotch whisky and so they created a magazine that catered to the very niche audience of course the nineteen nineties definitely good time for magazines. I was pre Internet going mainstream and so people subscribed and partook in this wonderful hobby. We know as Whiskey in the nineteen thirties and nineteen forties. You saw a great deal of materials in trade. There's always been a consistent trade presents for whiskey teaching Stiller's how to distill helping business people trade whiskey etc etc. But like I said it wasn't until the nineteen nineties that anybody gave to about the consumers about you in the two thousands. We saw the rise of blogs. We found social media accounts coming out. We start seeing podcasts. Come about in two thousand eight to two thousand twelve and all the while during this time you have festivals festivals like whiskey fest. Whiskey live Whiskey Extravaganza Yada Yada Yada and when when I co-founded bourbon beyond in two thousand seventeen. That was kind of like that next. Step an evolution of Whiskey festivals. It went from walking around in a big hotel. Room drinking whiskey and you know talking to distillers to pairing bourbon with something completely different and music of people like the foo fighters and Stevie Nicks the Steve Miller band. Lynn Kravitz John. Maher on and on and on and on and that is what I thought the evolution of the whisky festival and the whiskey media would be. I thought it would be a lot more like Bourbon and beyond in another festival called Whiskey Ex of course as we have seen the pandemic just take a a big Ole Sledgehammer to the music industry and everything that is a mass gathering really do not know with confidence what the future of music festivals look like the largest music festival producer. Live nation has already sold off a good chunk of their company To Saudi Arabians so I think the structure for music festivals is going to be quite a bit different. Inter whiskey from home. Whiskey from home was a was a really important Classic Shift. This was a moment folks whiskey from home produced by Bourbon. Pursuit was a moment in whiskey history. And if you were there if you're one of the twelve thousand or however many people who set down and live streamed The five and a half hour event than you were a part of history. What we saw was a pivot of what whiskey festivals in Whiskey conferences? Look like I don't know what the future holds for music festivals and the Whiskey fest of the world and large gatherings but I do know that. The virtual conference was a groundbreaking. It was the first of its kind. And there's GonNa be more of them so if you're one of the first to witness the virtual conference in and the whiskey world maybe keep those emails. You got as a souvenir screen. Shot the Pictures of yourself watching it. Keep those around. Because that's par history. It's a part of whiskey history. It's a part of our history and that's this week's above the char. Hey go check out my youtube. I got some cool stuff going over there. Go to Youtube and search Fred Mimic. I am doing a lot of streaming until next week cheers. Welcome back into that. Berm pursuit the official podcast of Bourbon. Kenyan Ryan on the road. This time in Memphis talking to a distillery that reached out to us. And it's GonNa be an interesting story and Ryan. I didn't even know this but this destroy the first brick was laid down by Elvis Presley himself. No way these are actually random faculty made up and I was GONNA say now. It's it didn't happen at all. You know we are in Memphis. Which is you know. It's the home of Elvis things happening around here Hosie corner. Oh yes the barbecue barbecue. They shout to cosy corner the ribs. They're insane people give you know. There's there's all kinds of places barbecue around here. There's gusts fried chicken across the street. But you know we come. It's it's Cold Yup. We're loyal die hard fan we are. We're suckers for but you know if anybody that's watching the video right now you see an array of spirits editor in front of us and so we've got a lot to talk about our parental drink. Lots of drink. Our guest today has a pretty story passed as well. You know coming from the Great State of Kentucky Lead State. I know I know. Blue blood down to Down TO MUSIC CITY ACTUALLY NOT MUSIC CITY. What is there? What's the what's the pirate? So Tennessee and Kentucky did a Trade Kentucky. Got Cal in Tennessee. Got Alex well mostly not getting. Yeah absolutely so. Let's go ahead and introduce our guests today so today on the show Alex Castle. Alex is the master distiller at all distillery in Memphis Tennessee. So Alex Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. Thanks for having US guess pleasure so I guess you know before we dive into anything. People want to know more about you You know we can you can google you. Maybe there's a wikipedia page out there on the way here. Maybe there will be one after that would be weird and he was our wick. Piazza's driving no just wasn't and just some just some good articles out there but you know kind of talk about Pasts did you. Did you grow up around Bourbon? Like a New Year from Kentucky so was Bourbon a thing in your household. I don't think they were ever bottle of Bourbon in my house. Growing up Really neither my parents drank While I was growing up my mom had the occasional wine cooler and that was about it. I do remember going to make mark when I was five years old though and so that was kind of my first exposure to it I remember not liking it at all. I thought the place stunk and they gave me chocolate. I didn't know there was okay except for. I didn't know there was Bourbon and the chocolate. That doesn't taste good to a five year. Old My first exposure to Bourbon was not positive at least not to a five year old To where I. I didn't really think about Bourbon until I got to high school. And that's when my mom suggested. I go into chemical engineering and do that so I could make you to make wine coolers for was about to say it was like a Bourbon in high school. I ran with a pretty cool crowd than if they're making get into whisky at that young age. A theater nerd okay. I don't know if they were that goal but now she just knew from writing articles and growing up in Kentucky that you can actually make Bourbon. It's a living and so she suggested that I do that. And I just thought it sounded awesome so I said sure to hit. You had a knack for for chemicals right. I think I read somewhere that you're also thinking about going into like marine biologist. I spent most of my childhood thinking. That's what I was going to do and then freshman year of high school took biology for the first time. Horrible horrible dissecting. A frog was awful. Hated that midlife crisis at the age of fifteen and figure out what to do maybe at that age when everybody thinks they're going to be marine biologist. They're just like hey. Let's go play with Dolphins Day. Like this'll be great. And that definitely is what I thought it was world so then you venture off you go to UK right so kind of talk about your time at UK in chemical engineering and everything like that so just went through the Standard Bachelor Program UK. But I was there. I essentially took a year off to COA and ended up working for altech. Yes yes and modern company. All say they do they do they have the Kentucky Ale and On ramp or answer so when I started there is in the engineering departments and reported directly to mark. Kaufman has people know who that is now. And at the time he was in charge of Engineering. But also the brewery. Because that's all they had was Kentucky. The distillery didn't exist. And why was there working on a completely unrelated project? I kept hearing whisperings in the office about stills in the top secret distillery project and I'm just like what is this what is this. And finally the stills come in my first exposure to it was we need someone to polish the stills really dirty and we've got a press conference coming up your cheap labor go. Here's a perfect. That's what we need interns. It's exactly it's our like two days. Starting to Polish those stills We did that a lot but then finally my boss asked me if I wanted to observe a distillation and so I went down to just get to spend a day just watching and then I walk in and he says oh I forgot the kids to the dentist so I immediately think I have to go back to the office and instead in about ten minutes he tells me how to run the whole system. Oh no well no pressure. It's now he's like oh I don't know if you need to turn it off. Just TURN OFF. It's fine Okay through to the wolf ate pretty much but it was. You know kind of what started everything for me and I was a fantastic day. What did you love about it? What what you? That day I of course that system at the time of super hands on you were literally standing next to the still manually controlling the steam valve and changing the water. And all this kind of stuff So I loved that I love the fact. I wasn't sitting at a desk. I'm just not someone who consider desk. Eight hours a day And just the fact that I was getting to create something which is so much fun bill. Absolute plus it's whiskey tax like all right so so you're working at all tech. What's the next phase after all tech so finish school and unfortunately while there are a lot of distilleries opening when I graduate it none of them were hiring? They were all still so young. They couldn't afford more labor in so I ended up spending a year making laundry detergent. Everybody needs our house is a free and clear kind of place. We use the sensitive sensitive ears of sensitive skin while we actually made all free and clear. I'm a customer we're fans. I was there for a year and while there I was approached about becoming a supervisor at while Turkey in so I said absolutely was like wait a minute. How fast can I get out pretty much And actually I tried to get on before the new facility even opens but it just ended up not working out. They couldn't do a permanent position. It was only guaranteed for six months. Couldn't leave my job for a temporary job in so flash forward about nine months and they called me back saying all right we can actually hire you. Full time permanent position. Are you still interested? Attorney my notice that day Easy easy decision very easy. Okay so working at wild Turkey now so you talk about your role there because now you're now you're in real like Bourbon pedigree territory here to Russell's got everything Kinda talk about you know. What did you have interaction with them like? What was your role dead? Sars and the actual production side so not even the warehouse so I was a supervisor. In charge receiving grain milling grain the mashing the fermentation distillation oversaw. All of that you make sure all the Gucci corn was like up to they call it Gucci Cornell because it's not GMO Joanne's that's joins the we definitely did wonder not like they call it. Gucci Corn Back. Then that's the first I've heard of that. Well no I'm never gonNA forget that so we did all of that so I saw every everything up till the barrel and then was also in charge of the Dryer House so where they took the spent grains and actually tried them so the Farmers could buy it so did all of the quality control in all of those areas so from time to time definitely got to interact with Eddie and Jimmy Just going through and tasting distill it but it was also fortunate enough to be on the expert sensory panel and so. I was involved in all of the taste test for the new products that were coming out and because they're owned by Campari all of their products. Sky Vodka. Kabale all of those were actually being developed in Lawrenceburg INS are actually got to taste test. The Sky Coconut when they were developing it and a raspberry and all of those new flavors and so I got to make Bourbon but also got to have a hand in helping them with other products is like more like an are indeed kind of relative of looking at what does coconut vodka looked like so basically the Product Development Lab was right across. My Office was really easy. Taste Tester because they've just had to walk three feet and I was there in so basically they would formulate say ten different of Coconut Baca and I would just go over and assessor and say oh. I like this one because of this or this one's really bad because of this and then they slowly would narrow it down and ultimately in doubt coming up with the final formula guy so now you're wild Turkey you've spent some time there you're getting getting your feet wet. And then so talk about the next phase is was was dominic the next phase of your your career as the next phase so Iowa's super happy while Turkey. I was enjoying my job and one day. I got a message on linked N. C. It's still it's still useful. Look it is. It is absolutely useful so in a message on linked n From a consultant asking. If I knew of anyone that was interested or would be interested in helping. Open A distillery Memphis near like me. I think I got it like on a Friday and I sent my resume in on Monday. Really there was that quick turnaround. It was no no hesitation. I mean this is because you're talking in like the boom of the craft world right where you know. There's there's a lot of dollars being thrown around gotTA figure out like. Is this going to succeed so so kind of talk about that? That aid that first initial like phone call or whatever it was to figure out is this could be a right fit for me so we definitely did a phone interview. I and it was my first time to talk to the current president of the company. And I think actually his cousin was on the call as well so I got to talk to both of their owners in just honestly loved their passion as they talked about this project and of course this was twenty fifteen so still pretty early on in the project. But you could tell us something. They were very serious about and wanted to do right. They didn't want to cut corners sheet in any kind of way in so I loved that and then at you know talking about the wrong what they expected of me. I saw that I was going to be given opportunities that I most likely would never have had it while Turkey. I don't think the Russell's are GonNa let any other outsiders become methodists daughters. Now I don't have the right last night in their contract for life so the idea of even nive and being a master's Solarte while Turkey. I really wouldn't have been able to create my own products either. I would just oversee existing products and so they were offering me at Dominic. The opportunity to create the entire portfolio yet today have like initial vision. Or did you are going with that so when I came on they knew they wanted to do to? Vodkas and they'd actually settled on wanting to do honey bell citrus flavored vodka. Like I know a great coconut WLAC. Fortunately I love honey bell's not everyone knows what that is start blaming so the honeyball's actually a hybrid fruit that grows in southern Florida. And it's a cross. Between a Tangerine Grapefruit see get some really nice sweetness. From the Tangerine. But the tartness of the grapefruit actually comes through as well so I actually grew up eating them because my grandfather would bring him back from Florida. And so when I joined the team said that's the you know we're GonNa make that until Iraq said absolutely and so they were actually still developing it so actually got to be a part of the development of that product. I didn't come up with the initial thought but I I got to where it is today. Marcia just picked up and yes smelling it. I'm smelling it and yeah you can. You can make the second one yes is. It's pretty hard to miss it. I it's definitely an is. You're using all natural fruits and everything inside of it so we actually ended up having to go with natural extracts so in developing it we were using the real fruit but when we did the math to scale it up to full production we realized we needed about twenty tonnes. Oh it's a lot of appeal. Not even the the meat. We just needed the peel. And it just was wasteful. It wasn't practical so we kind of had to alter our pass on that one. Yeah that's a tough one for. It'll get madame dangerously delicious. It's really good vodka. The vodka pursue coming coming coming in okay so so you had the idea of doing the vision so I guess we're we're already kind of like jumping ahead here a little bit so the the phone call comes you take it. You have it. I'm to swimming like offer letter rolls in and your next step was to Memphis. The team see their the building because they did at least owned the building. Nothing was in it But they wanted to make sure that I fit with on the team in so came down and actually timed it with The International Barbecue Festival. Not a bad time to be here not at all. It was my first time in Memphis ever and so to get to see it at such a fun time in my first night Memphis. They actually took me down to the festival and so I got to experience that. And if you've never seen it you've gotta come down for it it's insane But then I they actually also got me tickets to a grizzlies game too. And it was a playoff game so they made sure I got experienced at its best. Maybe a night on Beale street as well. There's a little bit of that and a little bit of. Yeah it's always palm building all really always end up their roots into feels street awesome so then you fell in love with the city in figuring it. Okay well time to turn in my Blueblood card here and actually become a Tennessee's so how how. How did that transition go? I mean what's your family? Say Today? Excommunicate you my brother was furious because he had just moved back to Lexington a year before we moved so he was so mad that I was leaving But other than that they my parents who do this is what I want to do. You know I think they would have liked to have seen me staying Kentucky new that opportunities there were a lot lot slimmer than elsewhere so I think they always knew I was going to moving away. Well six hours apart. I mean it's really not bad. I mean we did it this morning together for him. You do that. You know you let your driver take care of it. I take a nap and then for you know it and you wake up in your there there as long as I don't wear orange my family's okay. Oh I think I can wear blue here and be okay sneaky solid. I don't say coach Cal Right now and also showed up. We still love our Tennessee. Volunteers that are out there that our listeners so absolutely no no no hatred on that and okay so let's let's go ahead and shoot up a little bit here so now you are. You're into the role and kind of talk about the whole process. Because I know that we had kind of talked about the very beginning of maybe the family wanted to. Just start sourcing first. And then bottling and then it Kinda snowballed kind of talk about that and then also kind of within the family history of like what they wanted to do too. Yes Oh back in. I think it's twenty thirteen when the idea of bringing back dominic kind start it and originally. They really did think. Oh we'll just by h product and we'll just bottle which is exactly what our founder did before prohibition yeah what was the original Dominic I guess what was their business model like so our parent company Deacon Alley and company was founded in eighteen sixty six and shortly thereafter? They added a whiskey line to it so they had fruit distribution they had beer distribution and then also some whiskey and they would just source barrels. We have Letters that show that they bought from Cincinnati. Ohio and Indiana and Kentucky in would bring it down and just down. The street from the distillery is where their facility was and they would just ball it under the dominant brand name In also firmed the records. We see that they actually bottled Under under a couple of different labels and then also distribute it other brands In the state of Tennessee as well so the distributor the they did a lot. I know one thing that you had mentioned is that he kinda liked copied a model from his parents or something like that where like fruit distribution is at was a domino Nico. When I moved to Memphis actually worked for his uncle who had a fruit business and then a couple years later is when he decided to start his own business. Doing very similar things. Fruit must be hot right. It must be hot. That if you gotta be you gotta gotta satisfy the quench for fruit. Well in the late eighteen hundreds and I'm sure they weren't growing honey for or whether distributed somehow probably didn't have ways of keep it fresh for a year either right. It's one of those things it's like. It's like bananas. You get them in their bad in a week and can get. They've gotTA figure out a way to make bananas last longer by now. Just don't buy as many maybe that so I that's true so what happened to the ultimately happened to the business. Why did it today? prohibition pit in Sao like every you know most brands they had to stop production and stop selling. Fortunately Deacon Alien Company continued it's been in continuous opera sense so they were civil to continue the beer later on they were able to continue the fruits But our founder passed away before prohibition ended in so unfortunately when it was repealed. There really wasn't anyone who is super interested in bringing it back And so the business continued on and they had an Anheuser Busch distributorship here in Memphis is one of the biggest ones in the region. They had a food. Division is well both of those got sold off by two thousand ten in so in two thousand thirteen. Our President Chris Junior found a bottle of dominic taty was a product that was part of the original portfolio and it was still full instill wax sealed and a light bulb. Went off of. This is how we get back to Memphis. This is. This is what I'm GONNA do. Where was the family at at the time so the office is still located in downtown Memphis Day just at that point had business ventures outside of the city and investments outside of the city? And so he wanted to get back into his hometown and have an active business in the city. And so he decided to bring dominic back and the Dominic Taty is what started it. All decided crack that bottle open and have Juice analyzed out in California and we took that analysis and created our Memphis taty. So why why the name Taty do do you know like we're originally. Oh I know what Taty is but you know this is this is a this is a full bottle. It's not just like you know it's mixed with like you know honey and tea like RTD's before it's Day ready to tells you this because actually all the ads for Dominic. Taty said just serve over cracked ice so they didn't even necessarily is once you exactly unfortunately no records as to what was in the toddy. We have no idea why he actually called a toddy for the time and by to pay cash to we just stuck with the name. Oh I gotcha okay and this is the Taty here that is bourbon steep with cinnamon. Clove Black Pepper. Cardamom and citrus peel. Okay well I'M GONNA pick it up real quick because it you can pick it out of the lineup. Because this little hazy right yeah. There's sugar in their. You'll taste the original bottle or just offer analysis. I believe one person was brave enough to taste it. I didn't do. They survive it. Yes yes 'cause. They used fresh fruit at the time. From what we can tell what happens to fresh fruit over time. I mean I would imagine like what was black. Oh Yeah I can imagine that because the sale was like was there can be something. That point. Is Bacteria runamuck. You can see anything in it. Yeah it reminds me of fall like sit on a Hay Bale and ride around wagon from for fall festival and get good. Get your get your Straw. Bale out kind of sit on it and Yup. Yeah exactly exactly what it tastes so was the was the Taty. The first idea of this is the first product that we also want to come out with it as like an darker liquid. Yeah we knew. We wanted to launch with that product. The vodkas really were just there to help carry us through while whiskey aged sounds like the story of every other story out today. One gotTa make it happen. Making whisky is expensive. It is it is and so how long to the point where you know because I would imagine you're alternating the days still and and then you've got basically you're mashing in one day and then you got you know you're you're trying to still in another. So what was the? What was the schedule of like? Okay this is the days that we can pump out vodka. This is the days that we can do our whiskey. What did that look like? So basically you So we do actually made with our Tennessee. Whiskey mashed bill in so that kind of helped as far as just laying down product. We were able to just firm it near Mash ferment. That whiskey and then after the fact we could decide. Did it go in a barrel or did we still it further to turn it into our Baca But really it was just a juggling act. Of course this loft wherein right now was our original storage space while it's limited space so I also knew I only had so much time before I needed the next warehouse and so we were actually distilling less than our capacity. Because I need it gives us time to finish our warehouse so we were pretty much just trying to lay down as much whisky as we could but give us time anyway in so finding holes in the schedule to produce the vodkas to preach the tidy to bottle everything was actually a really easy just because we didn't have the space to be able to make whiskey every day anyway. Yeah talk about the design. It's a beautiful facility like did you. Did you know what you wanted or did you have to outside help to kind of tell you? What was the design? Who can who came up with a design. It was eighteen so we worked with a group HERE IN MEMPHIS called L. K. That helped us with of our interior design work in that extended to even like our equipment lay out as well because we knew from day. One we want this to be a place you could do tours and see everything and so they wanted it to be beautiful as well as functional and so it was designed team saying. Oh let's make it look this way and then me having to say no. That's not how piping works. Let's come up with a different solution to reality. Yes yes. Let's get this thing functional. Yeah so it was definitely a teamwork what came first that or You know like getting vendome in here to figure out like this is what the stills are going to look like. This is where the the mashed green match are going to be. They had actually already started talking independent before I even got on board To where my first day on the job we actually hit the road and went up to Louisville. And wait. I go down here. I first job we hit the road so brand new co workers and I have to sit in the car with them for six hours. Little awkward but of questions is utterly. Let's sit down and really get to know Alex on this exactly exactly but we went up there and I gotTa stop by Venom. And they actually already had pieces of our stills in production so they had started that conversation long before I'd even come on board And even had kinda preliminary lay out of the facility as well and it was just me getting to fine tune it and and make sure everything actually made sense. Did you share the same vision when you went there and saw vendome and you looked at the the the width of the column or anything. You're like I don't know if that's big enough me. We gotta go bigger like what was what was that like did it did it with your vision. Your like. We're GONNA work with what we got. It absolutely worked with my vision of course coming from wall Turkey. I'm used to really big right. Enzo really anything at that point. You're kind of like. Is that really going to achieve what I needed to But based on conversations with the team and kind were they saw old dominic ending up. I everything vendome had seemed like it was. It was absolutely perfect for. 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What's the blight is creating something from nothing like a whole new recipe for a brand so? I also are Tennessee. Whiskey is definitely inspired by my time at while Turkey it's a very similar mash bill And then the reason I used that for my vodka was simply because I already had three whiskeys mash bills to juggle a really didn't need a fourth one in so that one and we experiment. We tasted made sure that actually worked. But that's where that thought process even start. It was just. I don't need another Nashville. So let's hope that this one working. Fortunately it did testing on the still out there or did you have. That was yeah. No that was. My trial was the system out there so it was very big trial. Could not sleep at night. It was awful panicking. Well we thought we had it and my boss was panicking because you know this is his baby. It's his legacy and so there's no need to try a different Nashville. So we went and did something completely different and put them side by side and the Tennessee whiskey Mash Bill. Wyman that man. I ended up with fifty gallons of one hundred ninety two proof vodka that I couldn't use anything in. I mean you can use it in clean something. Well you probably cleaned still was it. We actually decided to put it in barrels which Vaca has flavor so. It really didn't do a whole lot. But it gave us an opportunity to experiment with it and so one of them. We actually put coffee beans in the barrel and it turned out beautifully so we actually released a one off. It's a lot easier to those one offs when you have a meteorological we can do it. This one. This time. Nothing ever goes the waste. No it doesn't you have to be able to get your money back somehow. And so we were able to salvage. You don't want to call it a mistake because it wasn't we intentionally made that vodka but we couldn't release it as a Barca we had So it was just trying to to save it and it gave me a chance to have a little bit of fun be creative and do something unique and so you know it's like change your mentality or mindset coming from somewhere like target like don't don't mess it up till like we're going to hurt me. This is plagiarized. It definitely is more fun Knowing that there's a little bit more wiggle room. You know inconsistencies. When you're this small can actually be a good thing In so yeah anytime we did. Have you know something happened? That ended up meaning that the mash wasn't exactly like it was supposed to be. We've been able to make the most of it and and just come up with something unique in spinoff In the different product called absolutely. So I'M GONNA lift the Bourbon up next kind of go to that so kind of again. Run US through the Bourbon here You know if you WANNA share the match bill. If you can't share them Nashville I mean Lord knows there's so many people out there that are like oh. We don't share a mash bill even though it's so weird because you can tell them. Nashville and it's just like if you make it at one distillery. It's then you make the same exact match another silly it's GonNa be too. I mean it doesn't really matter at the other day so this is our healing station. Bourbon and it is a high-rise Bourbon. So it's fifty two percent corn. That's how it's high and forty four percent rye as a high. That's a high high right. And it's I love Rye whisky. So that's why I love this Mash Bells. It's kind of a happy balance. The spiciness character to we do violet at one hundred proof as well. Well well done and this one cinnamon I'm big fan of this big fan of the right here so this is actually the base of the taty too so we use this exact same liquid in the Taty Currently what's in? That bottle is actually produced in Indiana So as I said earlier on they knew we wanted the taty. I opened while that required a two year old minimum two year old Bourbon. We weren't ready. We didn't have this building ready to go inside. They took our recipe are yeast barrels and went up to Indiana in. It's when they were still doing custom mash bills as time and had them make a couple rounds of of Bourbon for us and then it was aging so well this is five and a half years old. At this point who's aging while that we decided to use some of it as just a bourbon and not just for the taty while CEOS like this this does not taste like it would be like a two or three year old. I mean this is fantastic. That's yeah that's the five and a half years at this point. Yeah absolutely I mean it. Kind of gives a lot of those flavors. It's like What's that one candy that you always talk about? How Tamale? Oh yes I can get that on like red hots a little bit too Some of that. So it's fantastic. Yeah it's got a great viscosity to for Jews. Even five years old a lot of depth and a love the spice. Oh it's like it sticks with you. It has very good In so at this point you know you're all are producing a lot more of your own. Bourbon now correct. Yes yes we produce three different MASH BILLS. That are all currently aging. Leave our Tennessee. Whiskey which is seventy percent corn thirteen Ri- until percent malted barley and the oldest of. That actually just turned three. The beginning of twenty twenty And then the next one on that is also a high rise Bourbon so it's fifty two corn forty four percent rye and then we also have a wheat whiskey which is eighty three percent wheat with want to go with a wheat. Whiskey. Because I'm I'm a fan of like Bernheim right. I actually like Bernheim wheat whiskey. But you don't see a whole lot of offerings on the market today so kind of talking about your exactly why we want tell you workout and not everyone likes a high bourbon. Sometimes that's too hot for somebody to spicy can be a really nice intro to the category and a plenty of people who say they don't like whiskey and it's largely because they just end up getting started with something that super bowl super strong and so just kinda punches him in the face whereas if you can have a wheat whiskey it can maybe help introduce them to it or approachable exactly. It's a little more delicate like any delicate up. Oh Gosh we're GONNA come back from that one now. Talk about the barrels. So like did you have say so. Unlike what charge you on. What kind of you know Dan Fortunately we kind of our agreement anyway. They they kinda when I started wanted to do a number four char. That's my favorite char. So there was no disagreement on that But one thing they did want to do is our Parent company had some Timberland in West Tennessee and had a lot of white oak on that property. And so the first. African. How many barrels saying was close thousand barrels worth actually came from Canal property? Well that's pretty cool in so the call staves. Actually we use all the stage. CaN'T USE FOR BARRELS. We actually re purposed and we've Half tasting staves where we put the glasses. Those are from canal property. Our elevator is wrapped in those bad staves. So how does that work? Do you like sweet. I mean they're taking the would they didn't obviously probably had a coup bridge is their cooper that will be like rule except your wood and they do okay. I didn't know that now I did. You know that won't do now. Yeah get mad at me for telling people they can do more business. You really think they're doing lumberjacks out there. We'll go ahead and chop down. Trees lugging back to Missouri River. GonNa you're gonNA AGEM IT so they asked. That was coal We now just make sure that our would does come from West Tennessee so we do. WanNa trying keep regional. What's the what's the idea of trying to keep it? Regional is a just pride. Is it like do you really think there's a flavor to it like what let's see? Somebody definitely is pride for just really proud to be. You know West Tennessee. That's Kentucky Kinda now. I'll and a few years pride because the Tennessee whiskey trail. We're the only distillery on the west region in so we WANNA play up the West Tennessee part of our brand. Because it's it's very legitimate and we're the only ones But also the whole terror wire par. You know we've had distilleries experiments with trees and does it really affect the the flavor in the end and had absolutely does and so by lease guaranteeing that's coming from the same region where hopefully getting a more consistent barrel I mean? Do you think you find that it's going to be consistently harder to do that as a scale comes where you're like okay. There's only so much land that we can. We can take trees from a little nervous about it. I really am especially think about the way. The State of Tennessee is. There's not a whole lot further west than us or sure it your yes so I'm a little nervous Texas if not. It's thirty minutes back to Arkansas. Like the water. You gotTa keep going there a couple of exits. I think a lot exit one. We've done it before we were actually coming to Memphis and we missed the exit one and we drove him over the bridge. And we're like on Shirley it's gotTA in Mississippi. Big Horrors Like Sixteen. Not Submissive Sixty miles. But it's like you gotta drive like sixteen miles across and then make your way back. You're like don't make that mistake again. Yes yes always get off exit one and then you know you're daydreaming when when you come to exit one makes you. Google maps is on like the loudest setting possible. Then you'd never you're never gonNA miss it. It's so another question that I always had in Mexico. We talked about it a little bit when we were doing the tour. But I said let's say for the podcast talk about the rooster. Yes so we have a thirteen foot. Tall Rooster on our array of So back to that Dominic taty bottle though we talked about on that original label there are two little chickens on it and I don't think anyone really paid any attention to the chickens until someone was who didn't even work for the company saw the bottle and pointed at the chickens and said those are dominic or roosters in everyone in the room. Just kind of had this moment of. Oh My Gosh. Dominic Dominic or chickens holy. Crap this is. This is why they're on the bottle So they decided that needed to be a brand element going forward and we had a couple of different Iterations of the rooster and how much we were going to use them. Even when I came on board we had you know. Were playing with the idea of making sure super prominent on the back about all There was some back and forth on whether or not they wanted to continue to do that. And US. Girls fought for it Because we thought the rooster was a fantastic thing to include in the brand in so we incorporate him in pretty much every aspect rebounds roaming around. Do you ever rooster around here here. Early conversations about wanting to put a chicken coop on a rooftop patio. That'd be cool when fresh eggs when I pointed out then that they would have to take care of the roosters. They're like no yes. Yes can take themselves rooster. Grew a little bit different. I've been to key west. They take care of themselves. Pretty well down there but I tell you what six. Am comes off early after night on Duval Street. Orr's neighbors like the roosters fair point. See I would think that that meeting room and somebody says like Oh these are the dominant roosters or whatever I'd be looking over like how do you know this like he was a country? Boy was a country. Boy It was a farmer and so he knew what they were And it turns out that they are. I believe they're the oldest breed of chicken in America in so it kind of made sense that you know you'd see him on things from before prohibition and like I said we kind of fell in love with him and he's named Niko now he does have Nico after Dominico. Oh and so yeah. We incorporated him on everything. If you look at the honey bo-bottle he's actually got his claw on honey bell fruit and then for our Gen. We decided to swap out the shot glass for Martini. Okay actually before we get to the last one. I want to talk about the General Cook because I know this is. This is one of your baby to right yes. This is basically three years in the making. We wanted it early on but just couldn't couldn't settle on Originally just the recipe. It took a wild about that. Because I'm from Bourbon country. I didn't make GEN HOT AS HELL IN MEMPHIS so it's probably makes more sense to drink gin But then it took us while just to settle on the label It's amazing how difficult packaging design. Actually is how much time it takes. We know exactly what you're talking about there and you look and then you go and you see like Oh. I didn't even think about gold foil. Oh impress place in all these different things that go into that. Maybe a lot of people that they everybody takes it for granted. Nobody who lost all that nonsense? You never pay attention to until you're making a label book. Then it comes important. I talked so much about labels. Now it's horrible to star about the inspiration behind this recipe and you determine your generous and this is the way. I'm going to do my gin almost feel like there's some of the The honey bill in the Gen almost like you have some like there's crossover there's some great crossover Like I said I never Megyn so I actually decided to go to moonshine. University in Louisville for the BRITANNIC score botanical. Course in that was great because they show you each of these individual ingredients are like when they're distilled which saved me a lot of time having to figure that out in basically from that class I discovered. Oh who I like this but I don't like that so I'm going to avoid it in that kind of stuff and just basically spent couple months in the lab have a little two leader still in the lab. And just you know started with just. Oh I like these. So it's thrown together and see how it goes. Some of them worked out. Some of them did not work out at all. Yes exactly how some really And then just kind of experimenting with it and Fine Tuning it. And then we got to a point where I had to formulas that are really really liked and couldn't decide on in so we actually an rnd line and that line started with those to Jen's and we released it and just tried our best capture feedback from the customers to see which of the two was. The front runner is delicious. Because personally I'm actually getting into giblets a lot lately and you know something that you know when you want to kind of change it up a little bit Roger Sterling for Madman do have that face But this is just one of the kind of cocktails that I gravitate towards. Now more lighter and still has a lie super easy to make. That's the thing is like any never had before. And you want to try to get a little bit. You know people think they don't like gin trying to Gimblett. I think it'll be a little bit wellness Martinez Jr into like the. Yes which prefer over vodka. Well there you go plus Plus you get this. One has got a rooster on it. So fantastic need I mean Gosh. That's really good. Thank you said the the the grapefruit really carried in there. It sure did it also has some like spice to it that you don't get normally with Jen like. I don't know it's kind of like a little. All spies set to end that I liked. It sits on the back Palette for me. I don't know that's okay. We'LL RUN YOU. Get to explore this further because you just signed up for. Jin Pursuit two point. Oh Hey come I got vodka pursuit so now do coming into another podcast news. That's fine we'll get there one of the with Alex all day up with stuff talking about Jin talk about botanical. My Love Language. We Go Ryan Botanical. That's right so the last one that we have here is something that you all have. It's part of another experimentation line right. It's something like steerage. Only distillery only release. Yeah so One of the first things I did when I got to Memphis was become friends with all the breweries in town. And so really good people to know they're great people But they all have been bugging me about barrels and so we finally are dumping barrel so we have ones that we can give out in this wine. Meddlesome Brewing It's about two years old. I think and they took. I think fourteen barrels and did five different beers in them and release them all back to back and they were superfund beers. Crazy bears. Well they asked if I wanted some of those barrels back. Sure why not you know. He gave me for free. I want what can I lose? And so my favorite one of the five that they did wise called all the cookies and it basically is an oatmeal raisin cookie beer then it smelled tasted just like the cookie in Sao Scowl without one. Let's see what that does with Bourbon and so we pay bourbon back in it for two and a half weeks and is under stay. So there's only so much bread. So they because they actually ferment. On the raisins they put vanilla extract and the barrels. I mean they really did a lot to that beer into that. Barrel con a ton of that flavor. It tastes just like an oatmeal cookie bills ginger spice added of the it yet and get with those raisin notes with the Bourbon. Burn at the very end. I mean you get all that. It's the whole package the total package like I said that's the that's a unique new really unique finding finish. Just something fine different. Are you all looking at experimenting with more kind of finishes or like this was like? Hey like this was a pretty fun one off. I don't know how often we can recreate this. Definitely just one offs at this point. I do know meddlesomeness during those beers again and I think even changing some of them do different recipes and because of how well this one did instead of just taking back one or two barrels plan on taking back more next time and just continuing to fend little finishes but only on that really small-scale. I mean how long were you finishing this in the barrel and was like I need to check on it like every other week to make sure things don't go only two and a half weeks in the Merrill for that. I was afraid to let it go too far because I didn't pretty. I DIDN'T WANNA lose the Bourbon Flavor. Down I didn't want it to just become the sweet cookie in so we were tasting weekly at the end of week. Two okay. It's don't call it where to where we were tasting it every day after that and finally hit the spot. We're like okay. We don't think it's going to get any better and we don't want it to get worse if you love. Candy DROUGHT FOR SOLVING. This is like right up your alley. It's it makes a great old-fashioned ooh named Elvia sounds dangerous. The only we can get as you gotta you gotta get your ass down to Memphis and you gotta get you gotta get it through the The gift shop here and get yourself a bottle so talk about correct me. If I'm wrong in Tennessee. You weren't able to still like there. Were only three distilleries and gentle recently. Were so obviously you are after the law passed. But we'll talk about the loopholes to get through to get to to where we are today. Yes Oh in Tennessee. I think it was two thousand nine when they finally opened it. Up to allow other counties to distill To where now it's over forty distilleries in the state In in Memphis our biggest hurdle wasn't so much we had loopholes is just no one knows what to do with the distillery so when you're going through and doing inspections and things like that there or even my pipe fitters they had never had to lay out a distillery before we can't find you because we don't know how to find you So there was a huge learning curve for everyone involved in this project because it was such a foreign territory but then the state is a whole. We've had to fight to Set the regulations on tastings and even just letting us do tastings We had to pass legislation The Tennessee distillers guild Pad To help pass legislation to allow bottle shops. And we actually were allowed to sell our product on Sundays when no other liquor store could And then finally pass it to her. We could do Cocktails so we passed the led legislation. So that we could actually operate bars. We are still restricted on that. In order to put any alcohol in the drink you have to make it so. I've spent better part of a year learning how to make absent then for net and her Moose and things like that. We can't just buy it. We have to make it ourselves. Gosh hurdle I only want to do that. I mean what do you do you on Youtube like how to make absence like? I gotta do that. For Sunday's there was a lot of people search. Yes especially because my bartender when oh I had never even heard of Aquifer you before this candy either till some like a year ago. That's about when I found out. Yeah Yeah so then I had to figure how to make it is surprisingly easy but getting the flavors right. It was interesting because I don't really use caraway in anything so I had no clue what it tasted like car grains far. Oh you got these there. Instead of the normal corn and rob you know deliver we. We'll take some care way but yeah so. We still have hurdles bet that particular actually just saw as really fun challenge to now any alcohol you get at our bar we make all of it in house. Now that's pretty cool. So yeah. How is the reception? Been HERE LOCALLY WITH MEMPHIS. It's been great Men fiennes are proud of Memphis before all I know we know. We're coming from a state. So maybe because we call ourselves. Louisville's sometimes maybe doesn't look like he identifies with degree from Bardstown. So I claim that. What's Bardstown Tony? Tony areas stick with 'EM FIENE YEP. I'll admit but anyways yet sorry didn't mean pretty sure I took that one off the rails. They're yeah so memphis. We're very proud of everything that comes out of the city and so they have been super supportive of US retail accounts there Restaurants and bars. Everyone has jumped on board and wanted to help us succeed John. The city seems like it's gone through. A renaissance seemed like money during young. People are moving back to downtown on a lot of construction as you may or may have not heard when I first moved here My husband got a loft on south. Main streets are right downtown and people just looked like how you know two years ago. You wouldn't even consider doing that. What's it like living downtown thing? It's fantastic? They're amazing restaurants and I can walk everywhere in now. The entire downtown is being revitalized. We're getting Super Great Boutique. Hotels all around the city or all around downtown. We've Guy Amazing. chefs coming in and out of restaurants. We've got the huge one bill project which is a multi use space. It's apartments condos all of that. Right at the end of Beale Street. So you'll be able to walk to St no issue But yeah no it. Memphis is coming alive right now. There's a lot more to offer. And just in the Barbie more so much more but did you see how we started. The podcast now ended up. Podcast everything into Bild Street. Yeah I didn't know Elvis was Around an eight hundred sixty six but I guess he looked forever. He lives forever so Alex I WanNa say thank you. So much for coming in the PODCAST. Today was a fantastic new age. Getting to know you more game out like a course dominic and the products that you all are making like. I said this this highrise Bourbon yet. Santana nominal well done. Yeah like like I said it's got the red hots got all that. Sorta like that candy flavor that she grabbed from it. I'm I'm a huge fan of it and I also want you to get an opportunity to like tell people like where nobody's Google maps. But like where did they find dominant calculate? Learn more about him as well for out about you all So we have our website old dominant dot com and our social channels are the same. Just old dominic. You can also follow me on instagram Memphis Distiller. But as far as we can find our products were throughout the state of Tennessee and Georgia Arkansas. I'm forgetting states where even in Wyoming. So if you're ever out there you can find us so awesome so make sure you fall. Alex at Memphis is still at instagram. Make sure you follow is GonNa Twitter Instagram instagram gene. I think there is a twitter account for me but I have not locked in a very long time. It sounds like ours. Twitter's in charge of all of them on Bourbon pursuit on twitter facebook instagram. And Tick Tock so you can find us every year. Don't do you can get on. It's fun what that is the adult worry about it. And then also if you like what you hear makes you support the show Patriot dot com slash pursuit. Alex thanks for having us on. Thanks for the boozy night for great lunch Loved the Jin love the Highrise Bourbon? Fantastic job on super impressed and I'm excited that we can because we come down here quite a bit and I'm excited. We have a place we can come hang out. So we'll pop in Kramer and hang out awesome so with that appreciate everyone. 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James Charles & Tati Westbrook Feud Explained (ft. Olivia Culpo, Lais Ribeiro & Jasmine Sanders)

Chicks in the Office

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James Charles & Tati Westbrook Feud Explained (ft. Olivia Culpo, Lais Ribeiro & Jasmine Sanders)

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But a long weekend. We're doing this on Sunday because I was out on Friday. My little brother graduated college. Congrats to him. That's too. He he made it very funny. He forgot his Tassell. He was like the only kid it was blatantly obvious. Oh, no. You know in the arena, South Carolina. Everybody Azimbek sexing us from his seat. Like, I can't believe I don't have my Tassell. And he thought he'd just like forgot to get one. But he went home, and it was just an part. I would've been so pissed if it's Astle thing, but at least he graduated we did graduate. He did graduate, and we also ducked out after his name was called just very very long ceremony. So nobody wants to sit through exactly so he wasn't even there for all. Right. Everybody. Move your Tassell to the other and have one. Yes. He was there and to do that that sucks, but it was a great time. I going to miss going to South Carolina to visit him that. I feel like when he goes to visit his younger friends. I'm just gonna keep going just tag along. Maybe I'll come. It's so much fun. I gotta come. It. Really? Is a great time. I didn't get to go while he was there. But maybe I'll miss it. Anyway, exactly. We'll see I I didn't do much this weekend. Besides go to the best restaurant. I've ever been to in my life. Very exciting. No big deal. But I had like the best dinner ever. It was it was like Rian barbecue not gonna get into. It's kind of boring story. It was just want to let everyone does. Real good this weekend. So I'm ready for the week van? I'm so ready. I'm also ready for the week because Justin Bieber edgier and released their new song. I fucking love it. 'cause. That. You make me feel maybe. The best. Baby. I love it. I didn't I wasn't expecting to love it. But oh my God. Every time. I listen, I've listened to at least fifty times this weekend. I cry every time. I don't know. Why a why it makes you cry this czar Riyadh? No. It's a nice song. Yeah. I just feel like you think of Haley like just weird. Like, if I was like, I'm crying, like no, I think because just like I don't need to go out because I got my baby because Justin didn't write that song. But I don't you know, when he sing it. That's what he's thinking of. Yeah. I guess so or at least Haley thinks that's what he's hopefully. But for me, I'm just like this is a nice song cheering Justin Bieber. It's more of like Justin bieber's back kind of thing. Good song. They got a video coming. He put up heap Instagram. Some people are hidden on the song. I actually have confection. I I'm it's growing on me. And I know it's going to keep growing and growing. But my I listen, I was like kinda disappointingly only just because it's it was. Great. And they sound mazing. Ed sheeran. Sounds amazing. Justin, sounds amazing. I was actually was impressive. Justin sounds really. Really good. Yeah. But I wanted like a little bit more of like a like a little bit more of a dance situation. This is more like a nice tune. Yes. Exactly. Very pleasant non-exhaustive summer. Shawn Mendez is new song. I can't stop was really. I haven't listened to my God. It's so good. It's better. It's just way. More of a bop management can. Sluice manner kin you okay, that's fine. That's fair. But I think Justin bieber's gonna release some Bob. Hopefully, hopefully, I mean just this new song broke the Spotify streaming record. Exactly what I'm saying. I think it's contributed you listen every time. Yeah. I definitely contributed. I've been listening to a lot and I just ever probably every time. I see something. Nice. I cry. I what I hear something. I like, I cry. It's annoying. It's like embarrassing. I can't it just messes everything up. Why am I crying my face was swollen all the time because of it? That's okay. Yeah. Cry you cry when you like things exa-. I I can't remember the last time. I cried about something I was upset about. Yeah. It's been really a lot of habits. Happy sears. That's nice. The songs honestly, it is growing. It's one of those ones. I know and like a week I'll be listening to a lot. And it's not that. I don't like I've listened to a multiple times weekend, but not your fav-. But that's okay. Yeah. I I I just have my expectations for Bieber so high all the time which is unfair. But they're so high. Yeah. Well, besides Justin Bieber and cheer. And we got some other new music. We talked about it last podcast Paris Hilton released her best friend's ass on. Yeah. We nailed it on the head. I it is. They wrote that we basically rope power song sees boys China pet. I can't looking this. Every China make pass I can't look up as but. But. But. Boys. It was like boom, boom. Yeah. But but best friends at literally was what I said it was going to be. And honestly, I just video. Yeah. I just want the music video. I'll probably never listen to the song again. Besides when I watched abusing video, but hey, shout to Paris Hilton for still grinded out there and releasing those beats I'm sure that she wants she goes to festivals. She's DJ -ing. The song gets played everyone starts shaking their ass in. But but but I it's fun. It's fun. We're gonna see a lot of music videos, Kim Kardashian, though, is she in the music video or is it Nikita dragon because Makita dragon posted that she's playing power sultan's best friends best friend in her new music video. Well, damn. Yeah. You didn't know that? Yeah. And see it Micky pictures of Kim and Paris. Yes. So I think Kim is. But nick. Friends asses. Yes, she plays her best for multiple ask not assez, plural, plural. Acid as front asses wasn't going to be a lot of asses and one music video. And I'm ready for it. Yeah. And then close it out the Jones brothers, Ron SNL. Just want to say it was fantastic. At least tackler I stayed up to watch. They were and they had this red aesthetic going on with their outfits. Nick was in Allred. They saying soccer they saying cool, and then went into burning up, which just I was so tired Saturday night that did not hit me as hard that. They were on Saturday Night Live and is twenty nineteen and I'm twenty four years old and they're singing burning up on Saturday Night Live. It's so good. They were dripping sex from their thing like ripping I believe so Jodi spellers in August. And they're just going to be dripping all over us like sprayed at us into the crowd. That's what I feel is sounded so good show sounded so good. Oh has the moves every time. I might say. Yeah, you're not you're not wrong. Because I actually have my laugh out of this thing. It was just so tired of hearing it Franck, man. He's got frontman swag. He does like up there. I was like this is this is this is why you're this is the front for sure. Nick Jonas, obviously has all the sex appeal. He's he's actually hogging it appeal. He's like hogging it from the other members of the band. Like Joe Jonas does have the frontman swag. But Nick, Jonas has all the sex peel. Yeah. All of it all so so good can't wait for Aucas friend. I know but going twice you're going twice. Yeah. That probably in June. Did you forget I didn't forget. And honestly, they added two more shows in November probably probably gonna look into the time. You gotta go to that. Obviously. All right, friend. Let's get into the whoa. Did. I just send that text of the week. Here we go ready. Yep. Good. God. Do I have a Herenton accidental tax for you? I've been dating this guy for a while now and one of my best friends just became newly single my boyfriend, and I both had the great master plan of getting his friend, and my friend to meet his friend, super cool and good-looking person. But you can't always tell on social media. So it's taking a little convincing on my end last night. I was at my boyfriend's new condo when his friend showed up. I'm talking who his friend and simultaneously texting. My friend Brennan is so hot just to make him excited to meet him. Make are excited to meet him. Well, turns out Texan my boyfriend from across the room that his friend was so. So this girl was trying to set up a friend. Yeah. And was trying to like gas him up and just Exeter boyfriend, Brendan to so from across the room. Like, imagine your boyfriend getting that text out his friend. I would remove myself from the situation immediately tie that is very funny. But I feel like that's almost that's an easy one to get out. Get out of like, oh, just trying to gas up easy excuse even if you do 'cause send the receipt. So you can be like, look, I was texting my friend about him, right, whatever. But in the moment, it's hilarious. Because you I'm sure you just opened it was like, yeah. I would have died. I really would have left the room. I wouldn't have been able to stop laughing anytime, I send an accidental text which I did by the way last week. I sent an accidental techs last week met. I met my God. This is actually a good. Why meant to text? So I actually texted somebody that I used to go to school with right? We don't talk anymore, and I meant to tech somebody at Barcelona and texted them. And honestly, I just let it fly. I I was almost proud of that I had another accidental Tex just tell it. Here was just gonna let great for the podcast damn damn bad for bad for me. I want to take that one back. She didn't answer. Yeah. Just just that one. You just let it keep you keep on moving by a friend. We have so much on this podcast so much drama. We have all of the explained we got the YouTube drama with toddy Taty, Tutsi Taty Westbrook and James Charles all of that drama summed up the whole video front back. We summed it up for you. We got the constants. Woo drama when she was pissed at her show. Got renewed. We have Kim Kardashians. Fourth baby, a Livia Cobo and said at her birthday in Miami. Plus Danny with another girl, and we have a roasting of the bachelor contestants. I read their bows. And readjust absolutely scorched, I roasted everyone. I don't know. I was in a mood, and I have. Roasted every yesterday they all just went up, and they all went up and flame. So it should be fun. When we interview them the season. Yeah. And we also have an interview with a live yuko lice or barrow. Jasmine Sanders, the Sports Illustrated swimsuit models. They were great. It. A listen. Very funny. Yes. A lot of fun. So let's get into it starting with the YouTube drama. Maybe went on. Two. Now. Was. Show. To say. It is. There is so much YouTube drama going on in the world, usually we don't dive into YouTube drama, but I I don't know enough about it. I don't know enough about it. But I'm starting to figure it out. I've watched all the videos this weekend front to back. I've researched everything ready to talk about the beauty community because the beauty community is just like a whole different area of YouTube. That's right in crazier than like the normal. Then Logan, right? Jake, paul. There's that way different. And then there's the beauty community. And I just I never I've never really paid that much attention only because it seems like every couple months somebody's feuding. There's some big feud. Somebody hates somebody and there's a big fight and there's videos made. And then it's over this was one of the ones in the last year. I feel like that has just blown up so much because it involves James Charles which EV everybody loves to talk about him. Now, he's just been a hot button topic. After like his concert going on tour, and like being at the met gallon all these things and he's had his own fair share feuds. But now Tachi Westbrook made this whole video exposing him for the manned child that he is. Right. So I was excited to dive into this like you said people have been talking about James, Charles. I haven't paid much attendant attention to Dame Storrow until I heard about his five hundred dollar ticket sales, which now that I'm involved in the YouTube drama this girl, I got a look at her name Kenya. Right. On youtube. She made this video I went to James Charles tour and want a refund, and it is so fucking funny. I founded after watching Taty Westbrook's video and she plays the video of James Charles singing on his tour. It sounds like it sounds like actually have you decided to go on tour, right and sing and charged. He sounds horrific charge saying amount. I know I sound bad. How doesn't James house? No. He sounds bad. And that's what Kenya says the video. She's like, nobody told James Charles. He was bad at anything as a kid. Yeah. And it's quite apparent. He sounds so fucking bad. It makes me think I charge five hundred dollars to go onto just adds to this idea that he is very entitled and riles like things are just meant to fall into his lap. But I feel like we gotta just start getting try and explain what went down James Charles was Coachella. He said that. Security like was bad. It was a bad situation. He felt like he was in a bad situation with him and his friends and sugar bear hair swooped in and protected him and his friends would just a bullshit story. Yeah. Which led to him? Doing at on his Instagram story swipe up for sugar bear hair us shoutouts sugarbakers. Save me, a Coachella, blah, blah, blah. Now, he's taking sleeping pills. Like Hel, they help you sleep shouldn't sugar. Bear hairs newest thing. And then Totti promptly posted on her and scrammed story very very upset because she has halo beauty is her company. They make very similar products. James and Taty are were very very close. Taty is promoted James so much and James kinda just disregarded her feelings on this one. And then Gabriel's Amora got in the mix who I'd never heard of him before. No, nothing. Have I ever said watched video well saly knowing in the beauty community until now painfully annoying at he's just like being such a bitch about to Taty saying like it's about a pills like ghetto, basically like get over yourself. It's not that big of a deal, which led to Taty making this forty five minute long video which I'm not gonna lie. I kind of wish it was a little bit short. No, listen, I have to say toddy Westbrook. How well-spoken is she? Spy watched the whole thing because I couldn't sell. Oh, what a phenomenal speaker. She is. I'm so captivated, by the way, she speaks. I want wanna model myself after her honestly start talking like her, and I was so captivated throughout the whole thing. Because it made me wanna learn about James Charles a little bit more. Because like I said didn't really follow him before. But Taty starts to talk about. Obviously, she mentions the sugar bear hair thing in the beginning. But she doesn't really dive into it that much. She starts to talk about her relationship with James, Charles. I love how she started the video with a montage of how many times she's talked about James Charles on her to show that she's always giving away support it. So she explains at her and her husband have helped out James tremendously. She's like a mom to think about this James is only nineteen toddy is thirty seven years old. She's a mother figure to him the amount of time that he's come crying to them late at night at their house. The husband trying to talk better deals for James day. You know, they might get some money, and they were like, no, no put it in James his Bank account. She explains the whole thing. So well, and then goes into talking about how James is always sexualizing everything. And when she starts talking about the dinner. Yeah. With his parents. I mean, I was I was like how did this turn from the sugar bear thing into this? Right. She starts talking about how James is is always talking about first of all he they were at birthday dinner. And he was talking about the waiter who was straight and James, I don't care celebrity. Yeah. And then he was at dinner talking about like sucking dick sucking cock with his dad and mom at the table and toddy Westbrook sitting there like what the fuck I have to listen to this. He's just openly talking about the things he does during sex to his parents. So she was like I was disturbed by that. She said she had to apologize to refrains her family after her birthday dinner because James was just so out of line throughout the whole dinner sexualizing everybody and then. She went into the sugar behave thing where she explains what happened at Coachella. She says it's obviously sounds like a bullshit story. She knows that at companies do these things foreign advances a lot of paperwork that goes into almost months weeks in advance. They're planning for these things. Yeah. Also need to mention James Charles was at the mecca. He couldn't get a better sponsor than sugar bear also mentioned that in the past. He has talked shit about sugar right here. Basically like every other person that like thinks they're above sugar bear hair, which is probably what he thought. And then I'm sure they gave him some big deal. And then he did it. She was like, I don't sell out. He does he does things for money. She was just basically, you know, making light of the fact that James Charles doesn't care about relationships. It doesn't care about people. Only cares about money. Only cares about getting game ass- only cares about being famous, and you could tell each five hundred dollars for his Hogue. She like she really pay that much for the Jonas brothers. Now. We did. Not she she laid out there entirely ship like every aspect of her trying to help him not only in business, but in life like times that she has sat him down. And like you're going to get in trouble for like the way that your act. You can't talk to like that. It's crazy. 'cause now people are kind of coming out of the Wilbur of people that he's met men who is message on Instagram our like tweetie screen shots of things that he said, and it is pretty creepy. Even even Zara Larsson singer said that sh- that James Charles slid into her boyfriend's DM's like well knowing that that was her boyfriend. Well, I could see that happens. What's liberties all the time? They think they can write he they think he wants because he's famous exactly that's James Charles. And it's it's honestly, it's not funny. It's creepy and weird creepy and grow is gross. Which just like who do you think you are like he's Joe? To me. That's why I'm like laughing and his fast because. Oh, you're James Charles makeup artists. That means you get bang, whoever you want. Now, it doesn't work that way. Right. It really is crazy, and she she also summed up really well because he was like, look, I broke down Instagram, and it wasn't because of funding sugar bear hair. I was just she clearly she's been doing this for a long time. She knows she works really hard, and she respects other people, but she doesn't get any respect back because it seems like the beauty the beauty biz is fucking cutthroat. People are coming at each other. Nobody wants to support anybody else can't cut throat. No put like you can't trust anybody. Like, you have any real friends? It's like that's what she was. You're saying I feel really lonely right now. I just don't have anybody to earn too. There's no like the people. I thought were my friends clearly aren't my. Yeah. Because when you're in that world, it's like it's so weird thing about the influence or world because we're like in a little bit just because of the podcast and the. That we do. But we're not in the influence or world in the way that they're like strictly just trying to ads all the time. And we also don't have influence or front, and there's no no, we don't we don't have. About like bianca's or. That using other battles crazy about it. Like, we have that problem. But all of these people are always feuding with other people. We're not feuding with podcasts. I know these YouTube people are feuding with each other. They're just like in it for the money. They're gonna backstab whoever to get whatever Adiel they want. It's cutthroat out there. So I get it for Taty. But I love the fact that James house lost two million subscribers in two days and toddy gained two million. I'm name toddy. I keep live in that. You're calling Taty Cotsee. Yeah. I know. But when they thought he saying Taty, and I'm like, okay. I I said I was doing that. But like when you're saying her name fast kind of Taty Taty. Yeah. So no right yourself like she's losing. She's losing. He's losing subscribers. She's gaining subscribers. I'm not gonna lie watch both videos and then subscribed her on YouTube. I was like what team. I I'm throwing her. Subscribe. She's game about buying her products. Many subscribers James Charles is also lost like a million followers on Instagram. Yeah. He manages losing a million followers on inscribed just like in a day. And I see people congratulating him like congrats on the congrats on fourteen mill twelve mil- just like as it goes down. Like, you should do a post for ten mil as he grabbed young. It goes down posts about it magin. He leaned into it was like, thanks for following at this point. He's got he's got to wait it out because he posted a reaction video which was only eight minutes long compared to Totti's forty three minutes. And he cried in it. And he was just like I can't believe that. I've ruined this relationship. He didn't try to act like he didn't do any of this. Yes. Yeah. I just you know, I wish more efforts. No more efforts. And you know, and honestly the audio on is video just suck like get it together Dame's because I couldn't even walk the whole thing. Yeah. So bad. Yeah. And say that our audio is great. But when you have to apologize for things all the time is just it's just never good. And he he just I also have a big pet. Peeve of people that say my truth. He kept saying my like, I'm just trying to figure already told my truth twice. Now. Not to get into it again. I'm like seriously, dude, I've love when people just they do something wrong. And then it also turns into my truth. It's like to better myself truth can be a lot. Yeah. 'cause you're to you that it's, but it's still alive Ruth your truth. But it's not V truth, which is which is so lame and Totti also cleared up. She was like, I don't know Gabriel's more. I've seen met him in like social settings parties and whatnot. But we're not friends. I don't have his phone number. I don't know. Why that kids coming at me for no reason? But all in all just crazy. She seems like the mother of YouTube, you know, she's older she knows more. Which is why I enjoyed her video a lot of Felix. She was speaking some inspiration in now. Agreed. I I actually definitely agree with you. I thought she was really great. And now it's like I've been just getting deep into like Twitter threads about it. And everything there's there's this one guy who's like a model on Instagram who's married, and he posted a screen shot of James deeming him. And being like, you're so hard like whatever. And he was a I'm like you can see on my profile that I'm very much married. He clearly thinks that he could just like we said he clearly thinks he could Bank whoever we wants. I mean, he can't maybe he's going to realize that after this video. Yeah, I feel like he tried to address it in his apology video, and it was just. I've talked about boys a lot, and I probably shouldn't have. It's like you talk about boys. But like, yeah. Just don't don't go after menu. Clearly, no are straight and like and don't wanna have sex with you. Yeah. Like, they clearly pretty simple. I mean, but it's like the celebrity thing. Yeah. Celebrities think they could bang whoever they want. Yeah. So, and you know, what also I really hated his which we kinda talked about when we talked about him going to the gala, but he his caption when he wanted to mcallen. I was like, are you kidding me? Dude. It was like, oh, yeah. When he first met out much YouTube, blah, blah being invited to such an important event. Like the ball is such an honor a step forward in the right direction for influence or representation in the media. And I'm so excited to be a catalyst influence or representation in media. I don't see anything, but influencers all day long. I see. Look, I don't what do you representation you have sixteen million. Yeah, he's acting like you're not represented. You don't get enough. Attention James shows fifteen point four, and that's what that's what Taty said in her video. She was like, I refuse to think that you have it hard when you're nineteen year old millionaire. Like, right. You have at all when he wanted to expose immunity beauty street. And she was like why are you complaining about your job? Millions of dollars. Have you make millions of dollars at nineteen years old? I mean, just the beauty community is pissing you off to keep it inside. Because honestly, nobody wants to hear you complain about that the people who actually, you know, nobody wants to hear James Charles and his million dollar Bank account in our faces being like, oh, no Jeffrey star. And by the way, said that James Charles is Deidra to society that means because that's ounce James Charles being a danger to society, that's like Takashi six nine is a danger to society like James. Charles. What else does he done? Because obviously is he's bad. Obviously, we don't like James Charles here danger to society, there's more there. What do you think? They'll there. I'm sure there's more than we don't know. I'm sure there's more and Jefferson talking about all the time. There's so much drama. Does always knows it. I have mixed feelings about him. Anyway, put us just like, obviously, everybody has to chime in and get their two cents into what they think about this. And and I feel like I'm now following a guy took a step into this world. It's baby step. We'll see. What happens? I'm excited to be involved. Yes point. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't really I feel like now I'm gonna watch Totti's videos because I think she's just a an angel. She should do. Mar she showed that would be really good at it. Yeah. I was so captivated. Yeah. Although the makeup game is wild themselves different makeup gang is. So like, you said, it's so crazy. And that's what she was saying when chains I wanted to get into it. And she was there to help him and all that shit. I'm glad she was able to get. Yeah. Her feelings out there. I love better. She was like she such a good person. She was like I want this to end. Now, the next radio I post, I don't want the comments to Syl all be about the dramas gonna be though totally as but for her to say that it's like, okay, legu- you wanted to say, you're shitting. Now, you're gonna go on with your life and do your do your thing. That's it by sister. Yeah. Love that. By sister. I wish he said it in the video, but we get. Yeah. 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I T H C O V E dot com slash chicks with cove dot com slash chicks, Kim Kardashian, west had her fourth child is a boy she posted that I guess he was born around a week ago. I it's been a little while 'til 'til chicane made the formal announcement at all was on Ellen. They were filming a mother's day special for Chris. This corden came out with all the kids. Did you? Did you see that video? No, I just saw of it and pictures it what it was adorable one. Because those kids are just also q-. It's unreal. Like reverie kid rain was cracking me pissed Mike. It's not that was just sitting in the chair and was just like wanted to be anywhere else. Who's just like I'm done with s. It might you. He's the cutest of all of them right now. At the moment. He's got saying up there for me up there. All com Oso can north a little diva which kind of northwood bully the shit out of me, if I was near her like I wouldn't wanna be north presence because I feel like she would just be mean to us like I feel like she's just such a div. I can't even be near her. She wears more expensive clothes than us. She's sodas so doll. Yeah. Exactly. It's all but north is old enough to be mean at this point. I could feel it. I hope not I don't wanna wish that poor. I don't want. I'm not saying that I think she is. I'm not wishing it on her. I just feel it through the camera. I think other people would agree with me as well. No. I'm you're you're definitely right? I'd just I've never seen her like I've never seen her talk. I feel like I wouldn't really need. She seems like she's five years old. Yeah. She's five. Yes. She's she's five she's five you can spot the me one when you're five you have mean friend, she's walking around at stake skin boots. She's going to grow up in some kind of diva. I'm growing up. Sure. Five years old right now, I'm not gonna call her a diva. Listen, I am. Fourth child. I'm just for child's brand. What are you mad that? I call north of diva. I'm not mad. I'm just not gonna like I'm not gonna judge a five or she such a diva. All right now. I'm just doing it to enjoy. Okay. Baby. Four Corneille is like trying to have his big reveal and range like what in shut up. So she kept trying to. But it was very cute also babies born we don't have a name divas kind of compliment just want to say that beyond say would say it's a compliment. So if anyone she. Yeah. Divas a feeble. True. True true. So anybody tries to take that and use it against me. I meant it as a compliment. And. Along with. She's definitely mean girl he's like a little bit. Like every you know, every divas a little bit of SAS. All right fourth child. I tried to I tried to keep the moving and you went back. I know, but I just wanted to be clear. Okay. Fourth child. Sarah gate. I gotta be honest. It was definitely born Mekel day. It was a week ago. So yeah, I mean, it was probably around that. It was definitely around that time when they said oh the baby's born. And they were like, no it's not because they probably want didn't want us to think that Kim was going to mecca while her baby was born true. So it is what it is. I'm excited for them. That's great for kids shutout cognac for sticking it through. I feel like they might have even more. They just want. Out. I don't know. But she's apparently she said she like feels complete now with four kids at this. Is this is it? Yeah. I don't I really I don't know for fifth kit. It's just it's a lot. It's a lot of kids. But he Kim tweeted that he's cog owes twin which is so which is awesome wall Chicago's friggin adorable and he's super chill. Like, she was like, I don't know. Why was nervous like the parents this baby's the most common? Shell of Oliver children. There's no name. She hasn't revealed anything. She used a bear emoji on on Instagram the end her caption about the baby, and I was like issue naming the baby bear, which would be kind of cute bear west. They're wes. I mean, it's not the merits of the at this point. No name they can name their phone their their microphone. Yes. That sounds good. Yeah. Exac literally be anything. And I'd be like. Yep. That's like a name they'd pick. Yeah. So I think we'll find out maybe tomorrow. Maybe the next week this sons time, we put this out the name's gonna be out. And I know it not I know it. So let's let's put some guesses out there. I always I feel like it would be so nice for the name the kid after rob. Right. But or, you know, Andrew dad and everything, but it's just rob west. I just don't know if you can have rob less. I don't think rob wet middle name. But none of them have middle names. So maybe broccoli. Broccoli rob. Or maybe. Maybe they just name him, rob. And they call him something else like his birth certificate says that they just give him some weird nickname. Yeah. Yeah. I got a bobber Bob west. I don't know who knows at this point. West sounds like sounds like a bad lawyer you call when you like on the sidewalk in the city like one of those bad billboards call Bob. One eight hundred ninety one call Bob west at one eight hundred zero zero exactly for all your injury. Did you get a specis injury attorney correct Bob west damn I really hope they don't name the kid Robert now either because Bob Wessel, make me laugh for I'm sure it'll be something weird. Yeah. I hope. So at this point, I feel numb to it. It's like, okay. Between north Saint rain. True. Stormy dream dream. Let's be honest. They got cog. Oh, I'm ready to embrace the names. I'm gonna name my kids. Something weird. Right. I don't want my kid up. Some everybody has like now names. Yeah. Our love. Everybody's just a noun. I used to hate it. And be like why the fuck are. They naming all their kids these names, honestly it's ever since. It's all of them. All right. Well, it's the whole family. Fuck it one. There's one kid. Out the weird name because they all have normal names him, Kim, Kim, you the most. Highly. Go through all the canes. Yeah. They're all pretty normal. Whatever we'll see as exactly oh. Oh. That will be. In. Real book. Kate me. Name. On. We had some drama with Constance Wu over the weekend her show on ABC fresh off the boat was renewed for its sixth season. And she really didn't seem happy about it. She actually seemed really pissed honestly is was so weird to me because if you're under show that gives you a platform and whatnot. And then you find out that it's renewed like everybody wishes for their show to get renewed. Or at least acts like they show to get renewed. She blatantly was like fuck was so pissed that her show got renewed. Honestly, I could see how the people that work with her and her cast mates and whatnot. Are so peseta on the outside looking in. It's so funny seeing somebody actually pour out their feelings about their show being renewed being like fuck this. Right. But also what the fuck it's very other. Like, it's real and crazy all the time because I'm sure there's so many people who actually are who have maybe been doing a show for so long and they're like holy shit. This keep getting renewed. It's very like half and high Grey's anatomy, like when you're just fed up. And you think you can do better things. Yeah. Sometimes it works out. Sometimes it does not. But it she fresh off the boat ABC posted on their Instagram. Like, we're back as she. She commented dislike. And then. And then on Twitter. She tweeted so upset right now that I'm literally crying fuck. And then she tweeted fucking hells. Somebody fans somebody to her. Congratulations. Saying that it was great news. And she just applied. No, it's not like, honestly, honestly, I get it. Why people are pissed off at her like people would be dying dying to be in your spot. But I kinda love the fact that he's like fuck this so openly like it takes a lot of balls. And she probably it was probably a gut reaction like we've all had got reaction about something. But I go to if I went to social media every time I was pissed off about something. I would be I'd be a reality show star. But I keep it to myself. Yeah, I love just like conscient- that you tax, right? I'm sorry. I'm like coughing about laughing. So art. If I was so pissed techs. You be like what the fuck? Yeah. Yeah. Whatever contents straight up was like fuck this replying to people. No, it's not grad who's crazy. It must have been a whirlwind experience. Because when she was tweeting those things out it was probably like, the Mr. crab like swirling media like she doesn't give a fuck. She's tweeting out things she's in care. And then when it all ends time passes by and she realizes that. She just made all her cast mates despise her. She's got Gemma Chan liken mean tweets about her. You realize maybe fucked up a little bit. Yeah. She which is why she issued in massive upon. Yes. Like. You knew it was coming. You see the tweets, and it's just like dot dot and then apologizes. So she posted this whole thing. She said she loves fresh off the boat. She said I was temporarily upset yesterday not because I hate the show. But because it's renewal I had to give up another project that I was really passionate about. So obviously probably under contract with ABC for however, many seasons at the show last. So she said, so my dismayed social media replies. We're more about that other project and not about fresh off the boat. But I understand how that could feel enter dented and get muddled. So here's beyond muddling my truth. Fresh off the boat is a grip and other my truth. Everybody's thrown out there. Truth my truth. Okay. Fresh off the boat is a great show that I'm proud of that. I enjoy I've gone to fully explore my character. And I know are like the back of my hand, so playing Jessica's fun and easy and pleasant. I got to work with the kind and pleasant cast crew which makes it all quite enjoyable, obviously. I don't dislike doing a show that is fun and easy and pleasant. But in general, I've always thought are Tissot challenge over comforted ease. I was disappointed in not being able to do that other project because at other project would have challenged me as an artist that other project would have been really hard and not easy or pleasant at all sometimes even my closest friends are baffled at how I value artistic challenge difficulties over success happiness, but I do I know it's weird. That's fine like want artistic challenges actors or we're like that. I got it. But to publicly tweet about. Your show getting renewed. When that's so many jobs for people, and you just like make it all by yourself. A while. I'm pissed because I had another project that would push my career in a different direction. It kinda makes you look like so. Yeah. No. She looks like huge Astle. I'm I laughed just because it's so crazy that she was doing it. But it makes you look like a huge Astle because you're right all the other people on the show were probably dying for it to get renewed. Because they need a job. Whereas constants was like, ooh. Alma star rounded other opportunities. I have other opportunities. I need to get my artistic abilities on no constants, you need to do the show because it just got renewed. Yeah. So that's it. Right. She kept apologizing. My words and ill timing were insensitive. That those who are struggling especially insensitive, considering the fact that I used to be in that struggle to I do that. And it wasn't nice. And I'm sorry for that. I know it's huge privilege that I even have options options at fresh off the boat has afforded me. But if one does have privilege, they ought to use that privilege. His best. They can for me. That means pushing myself artistically constantly challenging myself by doing what's unfamiliar and scary. So I'm trying my best use it as a use it. Well. People assume that she doesn't love the show. She said she does love it and to close it by saying, I appreciate those who have given me the space faith to believe what I say about both parts of my heart. Thank you. It's meaningful. When you make the choice to believe women. I. I don't know what else to say about it. She seems like an asshole at this point. She's going to have to go do the show unless they write her off, which I could see them doing magin. They just write her off now 'cause she blatantly like, I'm not happy. Look, she she probably ask. Yeah. She probably that's the thing. I don't understand why she wouldn't just ask someone before she threw a fit on on social. But it is what it is. Let's see what happens with her character on the show because I bet the writer's room. Now is like how do we get concerts will damn show because people are probably so pissed at her onset could be walking by people are gonna be spilling their coffee on purpose over brings bad juju. Sure Gemma Chan who I love Nador who obviously was her one of her co stars crazy, rich, Asians. Liked a tweet from you Charlene saying caused whose conduct today comes as no surprise anyone who has worked with her in recent years, she has a reputation for being rude, petty mean-spirited, and ungrateful. I would take that with a great assault. Just because. Yeah. Shere Ali sometimes pull shit out of his ass on Twitter. Like, he claims to know all these people and has all these connections. And I sometimes I think he just says shift for clout like all the re Twitter, retweets and shit. So Gemma Chan liked that tweet which obviously people went crazy. She then apologize and was like that was an accent slipped scrolling. And I liked it by accident, really know if I believe. Super hard to like auto timing right with all the drama surrounding it and just the timing. And you like it and clearly you are looking at it. Or even if you follow you like if you like it, you try you unlike it as fast as possible. Yeah. But sometimes when you like something, and then you on like it fast as possible. It's so comes up that you liked it. Yeah. You like something by accident comes up you liked it, even though that you on liked it. Well, she did say that it was an accidental like anyone looking for drama or beef sorry to disappoint. She will now be dodging the like button while she scrolling. Oh, good. Good for her. Well, congrats on that. But that just totally blew up for Constance Wu. She was clearly very upset. Yeah. I mean, what what she's allowed to be. 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That's cheers, health dot com. Promo code chicks for ten percent off and free gift. Cheers. It's the best thing to happen alcohol since out call. So yes, we have a la- vehicle bow on the show today. So this is a little odd. But we talked to her before this weekend happened. So they're different time periods she celebrated her birthday in Miami sl weekend. Look like a ton of. Fun. There was somebody that snuck into the background of a lot of birthday videos of her and her cake Zad Zad Zid seems like sneaky DJ why dogs seems like he's sneaking around Libya cope. Oh, she's feeling the vibe they're getting along. They're meeting up. It is what it is. She's on this week's podcast. So, you know, great for her and that good for her and said, it really seems like she's moving on Danny's moving on Danny also in Miami on the beach with a mystery Blunk with the hop blonde. Mystery blonde of savage moved by danita, go to Miami. Well, no, he's. My bad. He lives in Miami. But you like to go out. No, no, go. You know, when you go to those beach areas that pop rats he's going to be there. You're with this very beautiful girl. You got, you know, your your seems like flirty pictures, you got why just so happens to be the day of Olympic hopefuls birthday in Miami. Like. Zen their beds there drama in Miami. It was a big Miami weekend. Look like a lot of fun. It really did so much. We got Danny on the beach. Cardi B was performing. It was crazy. Yeah. It looked. I'm I don't really have Miami. I don't really have too much to say about a Libyan Zad goes just like seems like both of them are just moving on which is probably for the best the best, by the way. We we interviewed Olivia this week. She hugged me goodbye. And she hugged me goodbye. She got her makeup on my white shirt, which I'm totally fine with because it's a Libya Kobo. Yeah. Frame the shirt or sell it. You could probably get some cash for that. I know I can get some cash, but I don't know. I don't know if Libya be happy unless you shirt, though. Yeah. It's a great shirt. It's one of the white turtleneck. I actually really do like the shirt as well. It's one of my go-to. Yes. So they might just have to watch it might have to wash it. But by Olympia via Libya's makeup should just like cut it out get it re patched, and then sell it that would be a lot of work. That sounds very complicated. Turtle. I was telling the guys in the office that Libya's makeup was on my shirt, and they were like touching my shoulder. That's. Is definitely a little creek that out. Yes. With look they're just just a couple of single gal gallon guide is not dead that is very much alive. Oh, yeah. Celebrating Libya's birthday daddy's on the beach with hop lawn. So they both. Stay. Though. Shit. Bachelorette contestants the bios the best part of the season. Yes is when the bios are revealed, you're right. And you did a deep dive. I did I did a deep dive just because I realized that this season is just like sneaking up on me. It's just yeah. I'm not I'm not prepared. I gotta get back to to my recaps. Like, I haven't been really done a deep. Really reading into all these guys byles and everything. So I did that today. I feel pretty good about it. And we're interviewing how to be next week. We which is crazy, which is crazy. It really is kind of don't want to jinx it or I don't wanna say much. I don't wanna Jason possibly say something that is going to get our interview cancels. Yes. Let's just move. We're excited new season super excited for Hannah be to be the bachelorette, and we're going to interview her will be a friend break out that notebook of your okay? Let's go. Let's start going feel so official now because of my desk like my having my own desk. It makes me feel like I'm so official like a real person in a workplace. And so obviously that meant that. I got myself a nice little notebook. That's beautiful. You can use the pens if you want. Oh, I got a whole pack. We'll see how long it lasts. Because remember when you got that Big Joe, I do this big journal same work. These are the times I realized we're similar is when we talk about how we are bad with rowing close on on the floor creating piles and also we start things and don't finish them. It's because I get the idea I'm going to be so, and it's really an organization like first day of school, or whatever I would love getting my new notebooks writing my name on and having him look, so nice and like three weeks in just stop using everything. I did the same exact thing. Always. I was like we have to get the best. We need the five star notebooks. Yeah. Pretty folders. I lost everything lost everything. New pens gone. Borrowed pens from people all the time. I was that annoying person. Never had a pen just the worst. Oh, you were. I was in annoying would like pretend rougher their bag knowing that they didn't have a pen. And it'd be like oh Penn. Oh fuck. Tuck a pet. I get. Yeah. But then we got blazers when I what I went to calemburg. Yeah. I had blazers. So then will right. No, no. There is pockets on the side of the blazers. You store things in there. I'd granola bars, pens or anything you want. So that was good. Okay. Well, let's dive into it because there's a lot and we'll start. I I just wanna over mind. Everybody used specifically of which is we saw at the rose ceremony. Because remember she met the I five guys or not. I mean, not I five but five random guy. She did meet it was Luke Dustin Cam Connor s and Luke to Luke's loop. I think there's also a Luke p and Luke s really they should everybody's initials are too similar to each other Luke p and Luke Astor's congress. Okay. Luke cute. First, luke. Luke, s no just kidding Lupi. Got me all by SOGA us because Luke s looks like Luke Pell from previous season. And that's a Luke p dot. It's really just throwing me for a loop. God. Okay. All right now. I feel like I'm in school. I know you're teaching me a lesson. Okay. And I like it. Okay. Luke p was the first guy super cute. Liked him. Justin camp, Connor those are all the people at ease up. But let's start from the beginning. Of course, ABC doesn't alphabetical order. Brian thirty years old math teacher from Louisville Kentucky his bio really didn't. Tell us anything except that. He loves math. See you're automatically off my list. You like math. He he still really to the bottom for me after his bile karaoke, and is a pun sarcasm enthusiasts. See that sounds like the worst guy on the planet like he's just dropping puns all the time while being ABI throw in like double guns in my face, karaoke, Ying and talking about married math was my least favorite subject. I can't even add up in my head. So he bores me already, and you can love sarcasm or you sarcasm. But when when you reach enthusiasts level. Yeah. No w much sarcasm. I'm gonna give you my my knee-jerk reaction to every guy you said number one. Math. Okay done Cam, thirty years old software salesman from Austin, Texas. He's the guy that wrapped up. So Lu round the rose Serov at the final rose when he met hand already. The notebook is his favorite movie, and he is the self proclaimed dancefloor king. Okay. First of all I'd like the battle hymn there, so many like an absurd amount of men this season who put that they love to dance in their bio back so many men love to dance to the point where I'm hoping that the house breaks out full blown dance. But I would love to actually see them all dance battle and actually see who really is the dance guests because unless you're there the dance king's head to head. Definitely. Thank you. Definitely. Okay. Chason not Jason chasing not Jason and not chase chasing chasing. He's chasing hand all over the place. The amount of space in jokes of people are going to make the first guys gonna love him yet. Puns. Who is Bryan? Bryan change in. What a crazy name. All right. He's twenty seven years old. He's a commercial airline pilots for man Arbor. Michigan. He says that women love man in uniform, and his he had a fun fact that he wants bought a Tiffany necklace for his girlfriend, then she dumped him out of the blue before he could give the necklace. So he just gave it to sister. Oh, man. That sounds like when my ex boyfriend gave me a Tiffany bracelet on my birthday. And then broke out me. Ask for back, right? Yeah. Yeah. No, he didn't. But he broke up with me the next day. So I didn't wanna wear it. So you know, what I like him chasing? I don't have a problem with chasing. I like she was in his name's name like, yeah. I wanted to it's fun. You don't know if we're saying Jason exactly Connor j twenty eight years old sales manager from Newport Beach, California before. Yeah, for he said that he is the kind of guy your dad wants you to end up with or that's what ABC wrote about him. He's kinda guy or dad wants you to end up. His biggest. Turnoff is girls that gossip? We probably wouldn't go. I kind of I don't know. No, nothing really stood out from his bile. I saw that was your dad. My dad loves gossip back. Maybe not. All right. Connor s Connor s met Hanna Hanna during the row final rose less. Bubba live. Whatever the heck it was. He's twenty four years old investment. Analysts from Dallas, Texas. He is the one that put the stool down. And it was like I want you. Let's take our first TEP step into seeing. I'd I with each other Hanna stood on the stool because he's very tall. Oh, very tall. Which is a check in like he is so tall. He's a traveled junkie building. A family is high on his priority list. He loves Justin Bieber. He loves Spanish music and dancing Spanish music. And he was a college swimmer. He sounds like the winner. I he's see somebody I start. What's his name again? Connor s Congress Connor. Yes, I'm keeping congress higher Malysz right now. He he loves Justin Bieber. He loves Spanish music, dancing Spanish music. He loves to travel from the south, Texas. I mean, he sounds like a great guy twenty four he's definitely on the young side, but Hannah's the ice and it's twenty four. Exactly, I'm the only thing. I'm skeptical is the twenty four year old is like is my priorities. Like families, my building families my top priority. No, I'll like your twenty four friend is building a family top priority right now. No. Nope. It is not. But he is from the south. And that if you don't get married young than they look down upon you. They do I think that's what Casey said she's from Texas. Yeah. Okay. Darren twenty five years old IT consultant from Buckhead, Georgia. He was a former college athlete loves football share similar values with Hannah. And he is a video game. Nerd eh globally ranked in Qatar hero. Okay. I don't hate that stands. Love hero is a fantastic game one of my favorites. So if he's globally ranked good for him. Yeah. I would love to be globally ranked in in Qatar here. I kind of tried that for a little bit with Mario Kart and make it so good for him. Yeah. He seems like a good. Yeah. Devon. Twenty-seven talent manager from Sherman oaks, California. He loves being in love. He's friends with wills. Is advice in relationships or if you're looking for love, this is his advice. Don't be asleep. Great advice. That's great advice. I like that. He's a wills because wills wills his job talent manager. I that's where I'm a little iffy on. Yeah. He's a talent manager maybe on the show scout now town he's looking to represent the next contest. He's looking for his next star represent hand. Yeah. Maybe maybe that's the goal at the end. It's sort of a proposal. He's like can I represent? Yeah. You you never know you never know. And then he has an eight year old step brother that he is very close with. They always love to add when they have young siblings. I feel like. I don't know what it makes them. But it helped they always add it what I'm trying to do with with these people is find hints in their bios as if they are winning or not because member kassy's had the huge hit like. Yeah. ABC family little Easter eggs. They leave Easter eggs, and I'm trying to pick up on them. But like being the Qatar hero champion and. Loving Justin Bieber isn't really giving me much clues. Maybe the don't be asleep thing. We'll come into play. Don't be asleep will definitely come into play. Why would they throw that in there? Okay. Next is Dustin thirty years old of real estate broker from Chicago. He's a big Netflix and chill guy. Apparently Jenga expert can beat anybody in Jenga. What's these people and the expertise? I don't know they always like to say, they're experts. Yeah. I would love to challenge Jiang. Jiang has an English bulldog name, so FIA. Okay. So English bulldog. Check g love that go back to the first line, Dustin. She also she also met at the final rose. I wasn't a fan of any of the people that were on the final. He's the one that made the toast. Yes. He also has a nose ring, which is in my favorite, not my favorite. What was the first line about him? He's he loves to Netflix and chill. Okay. Yeah. That one the Netflix and chill line. Gotta go. We need to I like hanging out and watching movies. We kinda just needed eliminate Netflix and chill. Exactly. That's what I'm saying us need to let it go. Because I hate it. I hate when people are like, oh, I love to Netflix and chill. Like, that's not a personality. Stop it. Dillan? Twenty four tech entrepreneur, San Diego, California. He's the co founder of a fitness company that allows people to work out while donating food to those in need. He cooks. Most of his friends are women. He has to choose by the way. I don't know. Why just thought of this the TV's in the office conceal us? Yeah. It looks like you're reading to me and you have a blanket on on time. Reading me a bedtime right now. All right, go back to that one. Okay dillon. He is only most of his friends are women, which can be good can be bad. But however, he feel like this was a very curated bio to make him. Look, very good co founder of a fitness company that allows people to work out while donating food to those in need. Okay. So he's you know, he's doing good for the community. Good guy loves to cut. He's loves to cook. That's high on the list of a guy can cook for you. That's that's awesome. But he's also having for twenty four and most of your friends being women is a problem for me. That's not gonna work for me. I gotta be honest. Like if Hank if all of his best friends were. Girls. Yeah. It really good. Not have any guy where your guy friends you, of course, have the girlfriends but mitt have the guys breads two. Yeah. That's what I find weird about it. I feel you are it's like one girl say they don't have girlfriends, right? That's us. What are you doing? Garrett twenty seven years old. He's a golf pro from Birmingham, Alabama. He was signed up by sister-in-law who thinks he would be perfect fit for for Hannah. Which makes sense both. They're both young from Alabama. Same values fun. Fact was that he wants snuck into the Mississippi State football stadium to make out with his girlfriend on the fifty yard line. I'd always cracks me up when they put like facts about other pass relationships in their bio, and like, okay, cool. Good for you. That sounds fun graduations. You wanna cookie for it? Like, yeah. I actually did star Garrett just because I feel like he the background. They have very similar backgrounds. So maybe they'll click maybe they maybe they won't. Yeah. But maybe living in Alabama. I feel like that could be key for her. Right, right. She wouldn't have to move. Yep. Grant grant, thirty years old unemployed from San Clemente, California. He's a real life. The dude loves white Russians enjoys pedia. He's a quote, surprisingly, good, dancer, nother guy mentioned dancing, and he's ready to call out the young guys who aren't there for the right reasons? I hate the sky. I hate this guy. Already of all we got another grant on our hands. Unemployed. First of all, which is you know, whatever you don't got a job. You don't got a job. But why don't you have a job you're unemployed? You also think you're better than everybody. Because if your age, right, which is also a problem, you're not superior to people because you're thirty and the rest of the younger Hannah Bs twenty four right? We're having we're going to be having the same battles. We had with with with with Colton like the older girls being like, the younger girls aren't ready. Yeah. It's just like give it a break. Maybe maybe they are Hannah beast twenty-four, how can Abebe ready, and then the other guys on the show aren't ready like maybe they won't get married, but the have relationship. What does he mean you likes white Russians? It's a drink the drink. Okay. That's what I thought. I was just like loves to drink white Russians. All right when little suss as well. Yeah. When you were like, he loves white Russians. I was like, okay. I think it's drink or see specifying. Medea loves white Russia clarification. It is drink. Okay. Hunter twenty four years old a pro surfer from Westchester, California. He recently quit his dream job. At the world surf league to be a actual surfer athlete and create his own creative agency. He loves to host bachelor viewing parties, and he still lives with his parents. Okay. You had me until the bachelor viewing parties. Yeah. He's a big fan of the show. He's a big fan of the show. And I assume everybody goes on the show is a big fan of the show. Yeah. But when you're such a big fan of the show, you're just trying to get on the show, right in my opinion. But this is on knee jerk reaction. I haven't seen them talk it. Yeah. This is just from the bias bios. This is just buying Russian stuff impression. I would normally have an issue with lives with his parents. But he's he's. Going after his dreams right now. And how old is he twenty four. That's fine. Yeah. Keep living with your parents. Okay. Jed jed. Yeah. Twenty five year old singer-songwriter from Nashville every season. They put like a singer songwriter. And every time they suck the guy is so I hope good things were jed. But I don't know he said that his last relationship ended terribly he can wrap all of Nicki Menaj bottoms up per, okay. I had such a problem when I saw this because first of all buddy, let's go head. I want to compete with all these people. I don't know why. Because they're the experts they're claiming to be experts at things, and it's pissing me off. Because I don't think I'm an expert. But I just think I do it better than them. Like, you're the dance expert out here you oh, good jet. You can wrap all of bottoms up by Nicki Menaj. Why don't you rob Busta rhymes? Look at me now for me. Okay. That would be more impressive bottoms up Nicki Menaj. Everybody knows that one. You. Kinda just wanna final these guys. May just be the mood. I'm in. It might it might be might be. Are you getting that by? Like winning a bio, and you're like, all right, buddy. That's why I said, it's just knee-jerk reactions. And I listen it goes back and forth. I loved everything at the mecca. But sometimes you hear things like this is a bunch of bullshit. All right. It's also the bachelorette. All right. Let's continue. Okay. Joe? Thirty years old. He's the box king from Chicago. His family owns a cardboard box company. He enjoys Vegas and club hopping. He's a blackjack and craps wiz. He went to Vegas four times in the last year, and it's his favorite place in the world. This is just read flood, right? Joe Joe home. He's right off. Joe is thirty years old going to Vegas four times a year or two favorite place in the world. And I get it. If you love that's fine. My parents love Vegas. I've talked about this with my parents fucking love Vegas, but they love to gamble. Yeah. And that's why they go at least once a year or maybe once every two years, but they go often and it just because them together. They like are like let's go gamble in Vegas back kid air Mary. They're like, let's just go have fun. If you're a single guy, and you're like Vegas is my favorite place on earth. Dudes like get out of here. I would never date you. I would never Danny definitely seems like he loves the gamble because he does like the games, but to say enjoys Vegas and club hopping like he it's obviously a big trip. Yes cheese. He's going to every club. He's going to the strip clubs. He's going to the casino. He's doing it. All and he's doing it all off to and that's a red flag us. All right. Then we have Joey. So there's a Joe and Joey, okay. I like that Joe Joey Joe is thirty three years old. He's a finance manager from Bethesda Maryland. He's lived in Australia, Hong Kong, San Francisco. He's ready to settle down wants to have the house with the pool with the kids with the dog everything. Joey, obviously seems like probably one of the most mature guys on the show old. But I just don't know if it's too. How old is he again, thirty three thirty three. She's twenty four. I usually cap it off at the ten year limit. Yes. Oh, she's right. She falls right in that twenty thirty three. Maybe maybe if Hannah be really is ready to be married, and she feels she's mature and she stable, then I get it. He's thirty three. She's twenty four it may work out for them. But I could see the older being him being older come into play. But he does sound great. Yeah. He wants a house and kids pool. Yeah. Zack's essentially think that maybe Hannah be just wants to find somebody that she's like in love with eventually eventually in the end get right stuff. Right. He's kind of on the fast track. Because then he's going to be an old dad of yet. Wait too long. You're right. Okay. Then we have John Paul Jones twenty four they actually list occupation as John Paul Jones, which is kind of unfair to him only because he he is. And then like deeper in the bio they list Israel job as a financial analyst. He's from Maryland. He always uses his full name. And he rarely uses words that are less than three syllables get out of here. Top off his favorite drink champagne. This guy seems like somebody who wishes they were a class act, but is really just super annoying. Please John John Paul Jones and get me my glasses champagne, and let me use really big words because I'm super extravagant get out of here. He's very long flowing. Blond hair to he's going to be so annoying the season. But it's gonna make for a good watch. John Paul Jones gonna make good watch. I won't be calling him. John Paul Jones, though, become J PJ or John because I can't call John Paul Jones every time it's going to be interesting at the guys on the show have to call him. John Paul Jones every time that'll be fun. This guy really exists where he's like I need to be called John Paul Jones at all times. Always is full name. It's probably the long word thing. Yeah. All right. Jonathan twenty seven years old. He's a server from LA he loves to go out. But he really loves the process of getting ready. He's a self proclaimed, perfectionist and religion is very important him. I mean, I don't mean loves the product ready to go out the worst part. I was just going to say I mean, I don't wanna shit on every contestant. But it seems like I got to do it. He that's his favorite part about going out is getting ready. That's my least favorite part. I rushed through getting ready. I'm like somebody's get fucking ready within ten minutes and get outta here. Because I hate getting ready. And if you're a guy who takes longer than a girl to get ready. You have a problem getting you got I mean, I'm not sitting around hours waiting for this guy to get ready. Yeah. That's not happening. This is cracking me up. It's like, I'm reading all these bios. And then it just it's just really the roast master. All right, here are the facts. Okay. Kevin. Kevin. I think hopefully, you won't have you'll you'll like, okay? Twenty seven years old. He's a behavioral health specialist from Illinois. He works for the army, helping veterans. He loves Jim. He says he loves quote loves to hard. He loves Harry Potter and playing the piano and see see I like this guy, and I actually read his bow before. And I saw the Harry Potter thing. I said he's great for Fran all the brand. You have a boyfriend. I don't that way. This guy's on paper. He seems he seems really good. Can you read it? One more time for me behavioral health specialist from Illinois twenty-seven years old. He works for the army, helping veterans loves working out going to the gym in loves Harry Potter, playing the piano and singing the only issue. He has that. He says he has is that he loves to heart. That's the part of wanting to talk about loves to love somebody who loves to hard because I love to heart. Yeah. I love to heart. Yeah. I get very like some sometimes I'm just like I mean, come on. Why are you so lovable all the time? Okay. So we like Kevin Kevin. Okay. Luke. So this is the first Luke that we saw a actually meet hand already twenty four years old import expert manager from Gainesville Georgia. He's a good Christian. Boy. Christian bed, a religious awakening in college. So now when he dates it's for marriage. I think I think we got an Easter egg for maybe see on this one because they wrote like is it all too good to be true. Okay. They definitely dropped a Hitler seven. There's no question or like that on anybody Lucan Hannah would be the purchase perfect match. But is it all too good to be true? Don't don't exactly something must be happening hero is Tim Tibo which makes sense because he looks like he's just living his life, exactly like Tempe. I I also have to say what the religion thing. I obviously respect if you're if you are passionate about religion. And this is what you wanna follow. But I get frustrated watching the bachelorette and the bachelor when these people are virgins, and you know, they gotta wait until marriage and all of that frustrates me. Yeah. So I hope that's not the case here. Although he said he Z's dating for marriage. It's not like a sex thing. But there could be on element. And there for sure yeah. Okay. Luke s who Hannah also met? He's the one that everybody says look looks like Nick, vile. I think he kind of looks like Nick v. And Luke Pell combined he is a twenty nine year old political consultant from DC, he is a tequila expert. His best friend said that his perfect girl is a southern Belle with a quirky personality, and he wants hit on Emily Roddick hausky and made her blush. Okay. This is the one thing I will say in defense of that. I feel like if you are a man, and you have the opportunity to hit on Emily Radic hausky, actually, make her blush, you're telling everybody, you're everybody every chance you're right. This is like when Libya Kogler makeup on my shirt. I was telling everybody in the office like somebody famous something. Yes. Like say say like I flirted with Justin Bieber, and I made him Bush tell every human planet or you're right. You are so right for seed. Vary like, but maybe no I I don't have a problem with that part. The tequila expert thing like are you really deal expert? These are the questions like I said, they like to say that I want to know because I want to know if you're actually an expert Matt Donald so full last name here. I don't know how MAC Donald got his full last name on here. But he got it. Good for him. Because it's normally it's like Matt D like if you've got a John Paul Jones situation three like three namer like you go for it. Right. Matt Donald's pretty just you normally. Yeah. Either isn't even another Matt there's a Matthew. But there's another Matt. Okay. So Matt Donald twenty six year old medical device salesman from Los Gatos, California, loves Alabama football, and it will probably love that. And he quote loves Hannah. And he hasn't even matter yet. I mean, I I don't know if that's going to be creepy or if that's a good thing. Yes. He's he's like a sweet guy. It said that his parents and brother are actually both deaf. So he grew up. Silang witch. I know I said the hand of stuff first and then through it. I want to see if you were going to roast him, and then I was going to drop like well. Well. Baiting me in. I'm glad I didn't fall for it. Well, like, I said, I can't help it. If it's creepy are really nice. I think it's nice. The fact that he grew up with a deaf brother a death, dad. I mean, Paris parents I I'm I'm falling for him for Hannah already. Yeah. We like we like we like him seems like a good guy. Maybe they'll have a connection and I can't speak for him right now. But maybe he'll be really sweet. Yeah. Okay. Matteo? Oh, God twenty. Twenty five years old management consultant from Atlanta, Georgia, he grew up all over the world lived in tons of different places. You'd now is working on a virtual reality startup company. He is a sperm donor, and he. Claims that he is responsible for the birth of a hundred and fourteen kids. All right. So here here's where I stand with Matteo. Listen, I get it. You're helping people out like you're donating your sperm. That's lovely end. That's odd gig thirty lucrative saiga. He probably has made a good shown lot of money. Good shank of cash from doing that. So good for him. But at the same time, I'm like, you have fucking one hundred fifteen kids running around like, I know, I get it. Like, it's not really his kid. He's a sperm donor. But it's his sperm kid. There's one hundred fifteen people run around that looked like Matteo. Yeah. They've got hundred and fifteen people run around with his jeans like that makes me feel discouraged because if we have a kid hours of the hundred and fifteenth person you've given two hundred fifty you kinda nice. That's what I see. I it's weird because he's. Helping so many families have. A lot. That's what I started off with like, I get it. Good like, that's very nice of you, donating sperm to people who can't do it. But at the same time with I date, somebody was given their sperm to one hundred and fourteen people know as being on, and it's just like the Vince Vaughn movie where that happened. Yes. I think we might have gotten another Easter egg. I don't know if it's just about the sperm donor thing. But they wrote he's he might be the strong silent type. But we have a feeling they will have a lot to talk about while. Yeah. So I walked me hundred might just be a hint. The sperm donor conversation. The one hundred fourteen kids we need to talk about quite a lot. Yeah. Okay. Matthew twenty three years old. He is a car bid spotter from Newport Beach, California. It's his family business of auctioning cars and motorcycles. But he really wants his real estate license. Lots of tattoos. He's got like one arm with. Full-sleeve got tattoos on his chest, his other arm and on his legs. And has he three year old sister? Okay. So the young I know. But when you're even going younger than Hannah that see the thing is Hannah can't date younger. Yeah. Because that guy's not gonna marry you these definitely not gonna marry you you can't younger on the show. Also, he's covered in tattoos. Is that really Hannah's type? Have you seen Hannah? You're right. Maybe it secretly is though. Maybe a little bad boy actu- you never get spice it up. I just feel like Matthew doesn't have his life figured out. No. And he likes house grain. Yeah. But you know, he he probably has to grow blow, but he's twenty three. That's so young Mike thirty one years old portfolio manager from San Antonio, Texas. He is an air force vet. He's been to thirty different countries. He really wants to learn Mandarin and core. I'm out on anybody that wants to that wants to be in on par core. Yeah. Right. Like that's just a random thing to throw in there. I feel like he didn't have a lot of like a lot of things rose. Some like, I raise the fact I won't do this very noisy guy guy, normal guys. Don't do. Well. No. And he's just like I want to do this in the future. But I am not an expert at it. Yeah. Okay. Peter twenty-seven. He is also a pilot from whether like there's two pilots pilots chasing child. See? That's the thing. I'm already on cheese inside here. Now, I gotta choose between two pilots. You can't like both pilots. Both pilots are going to get in the end. Yeah. Definitely can't have to know Westlake village, California. His parents actually met in the aviation business. His mom flight attendants dad was a pilot beautiful. Ooh. Did they bang on the plane publi probably first time they had sex with the mile high club. He wants to a girl on a sunset flight to Santa Barbara for dinner romantic. He's got a plan if he has access to the to a plane go for it. But he still lives at home. So he still lives at home any has seven twenty seven. I like that age for twenty four hundred b but here's thing Chason and him both pilots. Right. If you put to us to chase in. Let's compare the two. Lotte's they're both twenty-seven bowl twenty seven. I don't know of Peter is a commercial airline pilot. They only clarify that Chason is a commercial airline pilot. So Chasen's got all the miles. Yeah. He's got all the miles pilot on United. She can go anywhere. She can go anywhere anywhere. She wants. Yeah. So I might be too, but I don't know heater Peter might just be like like, you know, in the process of pilot. He's a pilot. He doesn't have a steady job right now chasing. He does live at home. See chasing is out there flying the commercial flights. I mean, it's he can fly anywhere. Okay. Ryan twenty five years old. I feel like they kind of did Ryan little dirty here because they made his occupation roller. Boy, what does that mean? He's from Philly. I think he just like loves outdoor activities roller skating, hiking rock climbing. So they Rollerball yet because his by was roller. Boy, I'm assuming maybe he doesn't last long on the. Show because they always give the most ridiculous byles to the guys that like where it's a funny ha conversation for night one. And then they and then they leave and that's like it. And that's why the give them the ridiculous right bio because in actualities data analysts to improve company to improve health care for women. See I saw that. I like that a lot and he also likes the outdoors and likes hiking like he's named rollerblade because he likes rollerblading. I don't think that's a bad thing. I think if you like to do outdoor activities that's a plus. That means you're not sitting on the phone all the time. I like him never been in love. Oh, but that's he's twenty five twenty twenty five year old guy. Yeah. I've never been loved. That's okay. Tight rope. Walker which is crazy. He once walked a one inch wire over a three hundred foot canyon. I like this guy loves the thrill. I hurt s-. I hate birds. He loves outdoors, but Berger everywhere noble birds like you ever seen the movie birds yet? But imagine being tight rope Walker and then eating birds like a bird flies in front of your dead. Your phone off, your maybe that's why he birds maybe it got in the way of walking true. Okay. Scott twenty eight years old software sales executive from Chicago. He loved day drinking on rooftops with his boys and watching sports. Yeah, bro. Let's it upside bar this weekend. Like, that's what I he's an Meyer of Kris Jenner, and he is skilled at schmoozing waitresses into free stuff. It. A lot of my guy friends actually would have this exact bile for the well, that's the thing you're friends with a lot of like damaging rose with his boys that actually like is your boyfriend Joe true. He does love day drinking and watching 'cause it sounds people in this office daydream, he's watching sport. That's the thing. It sounds like. So like, oh it sounds. It sounds bad. But like everybody likes Deidre can watch sports. It's fun. You're on a rooftop. That's fantastic any lead of Christian. But he Myers Kris Jenner. That's my question. Like, this guy is low Kris Jenner. I mean, you should maybe just like a loves the Kardashians. What was the last part about it? This is really the one the waitress thing. He says he's skilled at schmoozing waitresses into free drinks. And you're making me one of all over the my hate right now. I hate that guy who DAT type guy. Like, ooh, you know, you look nice tonight puts his arm like waiters. Don't touch her. Yeah. Right. Or just like just flirting around like what you think the best thing on the menu is like let's get out of here with that. I don't like it at all. It makes me wanna vomit. So let's let's just cut that part out of the bio, okay, Thomas twenty-seven years old. He was an international pro basketball player, even though that's still has bio now, he no longer is one Detroit Michigan. He's now a national recruiter for a big energy business. He played international basketball for a year. He his mother is his favorite person loves his mom. The most his family has never met anybody. He's dated and he loves going to clubs and dancing to EDM music. Like, I wanna shit on him for that. But if you here's thing his parents, I've never met a girl is dated. He loves to clubs and listen to EDM music might be a playboy. It's like a playboy thing. And also is Hannah be looking to go to clubs and listen to music. I don't think so. It doesn't strike me as that type. So yeah, I don't think he's going to be good. He might be a nice guy. But today Hannah be I don't think it's gonna work. Okay. And then we have how many more react to the end. Tyler see twenty six year old suggest contractor Jupiter, Florida. He has a rescue dog named Harley. He said one serious relationship also loves to dance. A lot of dancers. He was drafted by the Baltimore Ravens, but he had to quit football because he had a bad shoulder injury. I see is going to I'm banking on Tyler see to go far. I was just gonna say that. I I don't have anything bad to say about this guy. And I've had something to say about everybody through this list or mostly everybody. I think he's going to go far. I think I know the rescue dog you think he's super cues and every he's soubriquet he's super q. And he he sounds like a good guy. So honestly, I'm with you on that. I think that pick is gonna go far I'm gonna have to watch the I obviously the premier to really think who I think is going to go far. But right now, I have a pretty good. Yeah. But it's great because now we have go background on everybody's when we watch on Monday. We feels like we know. Right. We know there we get like their full vibe. Exactly. All right last guy Tyler g so there's two Tyler Tyler Tyler Tyler G is a twenty eight year old psychology graduate student lives in Boca Raton, these very laid back. He tries to avoid the club life. He loves reading. So. Cycle and being on his boat or being on boats. He wants to be a clinical psychologist. He is a strict Kito, diet guy mini is a side job in dream therapy analysis. Okay. You had me the Kito diet guy. I could I could never ever be with somebody who is like Kito diet wrong. Kito guys, strong Kito guy all the time. Like, we just would not work. You feel me on that? We fuck in love not. I definitely need to be dating a guy who will have a plate of pasta with me. Right. And maybe order McDonalds at ten PM at night. Like, we we need that in our life. And that is not gonna give it to you. Depending on what Hannah be a nutrition diet is like, right? No shows that but besides the Kito diet seems like a good guy seems pretty chill. I wonder if he'll start analyzing everybody's dreams in the house. That would be interesting. That would be interesting therapy analysis of everybody just went him to talk about their dreams. I would like to hear something from him. Maybe in the future if he goes long, we can interview him, and I can ask them about my dreams. I get some pretty weird dreams every night. Yeah. All right. So I'll let's go. I'm going to say the ones that we that. We started that we liked Connor s GARRETT'S Devon, I think I'm I think I'm in on Devon, I gotta wait and see when we actually made him. Kevin. I think some shit's going to go down with Luke p just because we got that little Easter egg in there Tyler see is a front runner for me. And then I think we gotta say are chase it. I think I like chasing. Because you know, he throws you off with this name. You don't know what he's got. You're getting with him. He's a little bit of a wildcard just because of the name. Exactly. But also seems like a good contestant for the show. Yeah. And I I bet that like two of these. Guys are going home night one. There's always one that. I've really liked it goes home night one. And I'm like, then they become a grocery store Joe situation where they true they do pop up in the end remember Joe he went on night one. He's a bachelor staple at this point. Exactly. I'm sure I'm sure all the guys who go home at one. Now just wanna be do. They just lie after restore Joe where they gonna have like a great stint on paradise ball. Love going dancing with the sar- Hendel in grocery store. Joe? I think just moved into gather. Oh, see that could be you. If you go somewhere, and now they were living with each other. But I think now maybe they move somewhere else. All right, go through our least favourite for now. So that we can see if we end up being raleigh's favorite, Brian. Didn't do anything for us. Who else? Do we not like grants? Jed joe. I mean, I read all. John Paul Jones. And then honestly that was that was really like the people that we really didn't like like, they left a really bad taste in our mouth, the other ones like Matteo with the hundred fourteen you know, I'm not going to shame. You for that? You were doing a nice kid personally. We're not gonna want your hundred fourteen days. Thank you might be a bad guy. Yeah. No. He's not a bad guy. He's a good guy for doing that. But do I want to date somebody like that? No, sorry, somebody else might. But I don't right. I think I'm not the bachelorette had to be is totally. I think right now, we have grant circled as are possible villain this season just solely based on the bio solely based on the by Coby somebody else, but just the way that bile lined up. Just did not feel good. Right. So remember that lock that in your heads grants the villain for the season. Just remind us when we're right. Just say, hey, Rian Fran. You guys are right? Grant was the villain. Yeah. For the rest of them. We kind of have to see what happens. What happens, but I'm very excited star. It's monday. Yeah. Pumped up for it happened so fast in and I missed it a little bit. I won't lie. I act like, I wouldn't you know, not excited. I'm a little excited. Once get towards the end where there's Monday nights where you're kind of like, I don't really have anything on tonight. 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Is it a surprise to you shoot at? Yeah. But we don't know which one they pick. Take so many photos, it's impossible onset to see all of them. Right. A lot of mckinney's a lot of lot of tiny their teams. Yes. Where did each of you shoot? Costa Rica, we shot in Costa Rica? We actually saw each other. When I was going back to New York, she Linda, so Gotcha. I shot in South Australia was far Dallas. Yeah. Yeah. Was it? Awesome. Did you get actually spend time in Australia a little bit? Yeah. I was actually with Camille. So we were there at the same time, which was amazing. I saw a lot of kangaroos actually hype on we saw those are horrifying because I would never be able to get. I it was so scared. What inspired the snake shoot? I think they were just like which one of these girls is going to actually take pictures with the python, and I got lucky enough. You gotta dry. She looks like she'll do it. She was so quiet on set like actually scared 'cause I mean, you're in South Australia. There's we were on an island with barely any electricity. It's like something happened. Like, I'd be screwed. There's more kangaroos on the island than humans all dirt roads. Because I was on this in this place called kangaroo island. So it wasn't really like, South, Australia pro. So was there just kangaroos passing? All. Pretty much. Yeah. And they're scary. That's not expect kangaroos scary. They're like big big. They're tall. Six feet tall. On have like muscle. The muscle. You're you're gonna get actually punched by king. Ru. Did you spend a lot of time in Costa Rica? I did a little bit because I did my shoot. And then we had the zip-lining which it was great. It was a beautiful place. I always have a thing to like do a little crazy stuff so invited me, and I was very excited. So then we saw I shot on the blacks N beach was beautiful. Awesome. I so I got to fly in see her for dinner quickly like just right before. And I was like literally can I eat and hang out with you guys. They're like, no, no, no. You have a four AM call time, and you have to the fitting. Yeah. You had to do my fittings like, okay. Well, let me just run to that. But no, the the fitting was really quick really fun like the girls. Make you feel super comfortable. You're literally squeezing into the tinier the better as dialects say your body looks better when you show it off so comfortable. Yeah. She's right. Is all my photos. I'm like, yes. I'm glad. Yet is true. How did each one of you hear that? You had booked your I s I gag. Year the room. Sorry. I feel like a good amount of people saw mine, I had some fun tears and a big freak out. Cursing moment. My my agents, literally did not tell me I was like I was looking at my text messages last night. And I was like, wait. I literally was texting everyone like does. She like me does them day. Like did anybody hear anything? No, she she just thinks you're pretty it's okay. Fucked up guys like come on. There's gotta be a little bit more. But no, I literally I was in town quickly for a shoe and my agents were like, look, you gotta go just come to this cute. Little like beach bar. Whatever will go in the back. I went to the vaca this speech. Bart. And I swear catch you guys. Not I thought it was someone's fifty first birthday. And I was like, okay. Why am I walking in in there all putting cameras at me for this person's fifty first birthday? It wasn't fifty one. It was s I. Literally. Out and king out and immediately wanted to call my mom and dad's. Amazing every single time. I see a video of you guys finding out like hysterical crying. And I can't be doing this right now. These videos like this morning. I was crying for no reason. I'm like, I don't know. Because. We worked so hard for and everybody's waiting for it. And then when you see the results, you know, it makes you feel great, right? What's it like coming back now because this is your second year and you've been doing it? What's it like after a while? You know, you got the first one out of the way, I mean MJ, it's it's it's so amazing. I always have a great connection with her. She's a very sparring. And she's always trying to impairing us and make us being ourselves acepting ourselves and just a power woman totally sheet. Comfortable in their skin. And my this was the first time at actually went on location to shoot. So it was still really special for me. Also, just like being on set with everybody was all female crew. Everybody's just there to support one another and J really is just a pioneer. I think she always tries to switch things up and makes everything different and embrace who you are like the magazine in itself. Like there's rarely ever photo shopping or anything like she just kind of makes you feel like who you are is enough anything more. And we saw a lot of your your one stuff on model squad, which we watch. So we saw all of that. We're you way, more comfortable going in the second year. I well. Yeah, I think so. No. Well, really? Should I? Yeah. It was a day. When I landed that day, it was a really tough day. Oh, you don't have to be that on us. That was hard. Yeah. A hard day. But I'll never forget it. And it makes it really special to me. Honestly. Right. And it was something that I always wanted to do. So, but it was probably good to have MJ onset and just be there and be surrounded by powerful people to make you feel good especially when you're having a bad day. Sure, all girls like and everybody that knows what something like that is like and there's like, it's okay. I'm like, okay. On your body. Distract her. Think via was busy waiting for that moment like today when she can be like look what I was busy doing. Having the best day in the world. But everybody's good. Now. Exactly. And the pictures are amazing. So. Yep. What is it like balancing because you guys are all obviously, very busy working all the time. What's it like balancing your personal life with traveling all the time to little what's Priscilla? I actually know how to I have a he's going to be eleven my son. Right. And Finally, I got to that point. But nowadays, I can say yes, or no to some of the jobs because I have to make a priority my life, which is my son. So that's what I tried to do always to balance in between because it just eats you up to the industry, and you have to be mentally healthy off. I don't want to speak because I don't have a kid. So I try to balance them not that good at it. No. But it's like, it's it's really hard. Sometimes you got to really make sure that you take those times, especially with all the time changes and differences and all of that stuff. You miss out on a lot of moments. You miss out on a lot of things. I'm like I'm so excited to be here right now. But my cousin is about to graduate from USC. And I'm like my whole family's coming to sacrifice. Gotta sacrifice because at the end of the day. I've been doing it for fifteen years somewhere. I really wanted to be and I'm happy to be here. And I feel like all the girls like we find time to sacrifice now. And do what we have to do for the industry because later will be able to relax and take a break at all be worth it. Board with that. Yeah. And also your family's. So proud of it. You know? Like, I literally we couldn't do this without them right between our families our friends like there's so much going on in this industry. You need somebody you can vent to every now, and then and just like go and have a drink or like dinner something and just get out of it and Phil normal. Do you? Do you have a big family? I do four. Okay. One of four. And then I have a lot of friends a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Livia part of a big family. Your sister just got married this past week. And I know I'm still like Rico the pictures were so beautiful and look like such how was it mazing on? I so much fun like too much fun. Like Quila is still in my jaw. Yeah. I know hangover about you too. What's your drink of choice, tequila tequila? Moscow mules. I love those are dangerous because delicious and just it. And I'm like, okay too. So I'm sure they'll be a lot of tequila flowing in Miami. Oh, hell they'll be. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to celebrate leave ya and her birthday. Yes. So the launch party is in Miami. Right. And all the bottles are going to be together. Are you guys nervous or excited? We're excited because it's always very fun. Oh, remember, the one? I don't know how Houston I think you're there as well. Houston. I don't know. It was like a kind of a festival, and then we had to sign, and it was just so fun. And then and then tonight, we're like with the whole crew, you know, having fun and getting lose. It was really really nice. And we wanna do it. Get lose. Yeah. Seriously. Today, only three hours you guys. So sl has always been so great especially swim with being super inclusive. They have expanded so much different body types different women different backgrounds. How do you guys feel about sl? And how they photograph women. I think look. Yeah. Like, they first of all there's no Photoshop which is very rare. And I think that for those I think that people can appreciate that. And also, of course, there's so diversity is so important in the brand. And it's only becoming more of that. So I'm really proud of that part of it for sure I think that they do they work really hard to make sure that they're tons of different women of tons of different backgrounds and struggles and whatnot. And that's something that makes it really special. Yeah. Yeah. They want us said this imple- that there's not a beauty type out there. Everybody has their own beauty, right? Yes. Someone for everyone in that issue. Whether it's a guy looking at it or girl looking at it. It's like you're which is really or you are in the magazine, which is nice. It's just it's really good to be a part of that. Yeah. Yeah. Such a cool movement. Yeah. Definitely. That's what I love about us. I and seeing all the pictures, and like I said, that's why I cry when I see it because it just amazing seeing everybody's dreams. True. When you think, you know, you might not have it. But sl gives everybody place. Yeah. Sure. And social media plays such a big role now, especially with models DS things. Social media has obviously helped you guys. But how how is it affected the modeling world? I think it helps a lot because I think more now than ever people are more invested in the person that you are as a whole which I think is amazing because there's obviously more than just one part of somebody that makes them beautiful. So I think that it helps I agree and I disagree because some of those people out there. They're just created a moment to show that oh look at my life home as in is, you know, and is not right. It's kind of both it helps it helps with our jobs. You know, because it's a how to say sorry, my English portfolio portfolio or fall you and I dunno. It's just some people out there. Just just to fake. Sorry, right, honest. How do you choose what you're gonna put out there? I always live in my moment. I try that's what I tried to do. And sometimes I talk with my agency. And they're like, you know, you have to post last year, son, or, blah, blah. I'll was like, you know, what I I want people to know me who I am my personality. And does what it is. So yeah, I love that. It's really just being real intrude yourself like if you're gonna and I'm just being honest, if you're gonna go on it and make your page very fabricated and that lifestyle, then you better keep it out. I'd rather just show like the behind the scenes my family life, and then in the middle like like splash like some of my work at the same time because at the same time, I feel like yes, it is a portfolio, but you have to show like Hurson behind those pages. I think that's the only time that we can really and actually control it control. What we say in control we put out there and not just. More than just a photo. Like your words behind that face. So right, and obviously people can just be assholes on. Yeah. How do you guys handle that used to answer all those Astles, but not? You can't. You cannot feed the trolls you can't because you know, why? Because defense started to like why you only answer Astles, and who are here and supporting so I was like that is very true. Nice ones. And then I delete the bad comments. And it's not just a have good stuff on there. So it looks like my pages all beautiful. But it's because I've noticed and I've been that thirteen year old girl behind the page. I've noticed that a lot of your fans in supporters, try to defend you. Yeah. And then they end up getting bullying. I'm sorry. I don't wanna be in like knowing that someone is trying to defend me. I'm like, I can take it. Throw rocks as much as you wanted to balance off and fine. But I don't wanna see other like going through it for me. So I just try to the block the block. Walk. Time like she doesn't talk people, and I'm like blocked eight another block them. My biggest fear is because I don't wanna block running like, I'm giving them the satisfaction rather than I I have started to block when people are like you said they start interacting with people. It's like they're going back and forth. And I don't feel like reading what you're saying about me. Even though the other person's defending me. But then I think oh, no I'm going to block them. And then they're going to do something bad. Can't touch. Sometimes you just have to like, I don't know. I feel like you have to create boundaries, right? Yeah. Sure. When I'm blocking somebody. Responding back, but it can get really difficult. You just have to remember that there are people hiding behind a computer screen, the only opinions that really matter the people that actually truly know you day will tell you what's up, and they will tell you when you're being an asshole when you're being rude. Whatever all the things the people online who don't know you like you don't really need to consider what they're gonna say. I mean, everybody's going to have an opinion. So yeah, it is. I have a fun trick though, if you block the person, and then unblock them, it makes them unfold you oh. Listening write that one down. Vendetta they're going to be follow you, and they can you're not private. So they can still throw. Matter. Your name fix it for the day power doing it day by day. That's all that matters. Yes. Definitely. Unfortunately, kind of to wrap up soon, but to close I want to say all your your photos are absolutely stunning. How do you guys? Prep for these shoots. What what is your favorite like health tip for people won't boy? Was working out really hard. And then eating what I wanted. So that that's good about myself. Like, I went really hard for a good two and a half weeks. And I even at during the two and a half weeks. I was doing it. I had no idea that was going for Sports Illustrated. And I remember meeting Jay, and she was just like girl e live your life. Do what you wanna do? And I was like, yes. Finally, I. Go hang out with my friends and not have to be the one that's like t have salad or something vegan vegan. But. My shit is coming out. Create a routine, and as she said, that's what I do too. Like, some people work out to be sacked. See we work out to eat. So you came untained that diet. But I stick to eighty twenty role which is like eighty percent of the time really good at twenty percent of the time. I'll eat like Pena domes and cake for breakfast. Like I did. Not. No. But honestly, like there are a lot of tricks that I think are worth telling people who I know wanna know, they're listening. It's like no carbs, high fiber, high protein diet like that's what always works for me. If I fall two days, I get I mean like I can see results after one day of doing that. So I just think like. Whatever you want carbs guard sugar. No more cake. No more. It's like if you wanna really like real it in. Yeah. And then obviously like working out a lot cardio is like the best for actually like losing fat. But yeah, I don't you probably don't do cardio because honestly like. What are you losing? I don't run anymore because I because it makes me skinny. Yeah. You guys. All look fantastic. The pictures are absolutely stunning. Thank you so much for joining. On stand. Now. 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Hour 2: John Talty

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Hour 2: John Talty

"They cried passion than patrick. Three of college football leaves keer. These paul finebaum. Show our to podcast back. The second hour has arrived then. An update from omaha texas has jumped out in front of tennessee. Seven to four through four and john taty joining us in a few minutes from al dot com. We'll get his take on all these issues. Let's get back to the calls here. Ed is in south carolina. Hello ed we're doing. Well thank you. I agree with you that the nc double a.'s is about the but there has to be some kind of a governing body. Theoretically there should be. But i'm i'm not assuming i really is what right now. I mean to me the. Ncw just seems like tiger organization that collects billions of dollars in does very little in return. What had to be some kind of people set. The rule is well. Don't forget every every conference you know could could legislate its own but you can figure that out. That's not impossible to come up with. The two of us could go out and hire more competent enforcement staff at a local walmart than the ncwa currently has absolutely and it's getting walmart down the road you know but not agree with you. But there's got to be some kind of a of a governing something. Each confiscate have different rules. I mean we're i mean more than likely there will be a governing body and if the if the ever breaks up okay well i just wanted to get your thoughts about that but i mean everybody's got to be some enforcement of college. Athletics i agree. Shannon is up. next a heller shannon. Go right ahead. I probably the speak with you. Thank you paul. Here's my question you know when when the the name image likeness first came out. I wasn't a big fan of it. But i basically come in the senate thing i hear. You say it's coming. There's nothing to stop it. And and the argument that the colleges are you don't give him an education and a college degree. The truth is in our workforce say the college. He's not worth what it used to be. You know skilled labor and things of that nature of much more value blessing now they. But here's my question. Is it going to be any kind of governance on how schools can use the l. during recruiting for example. Can they say to a kid. Hey if you come here we can get you this dealer that deal versus if you go to another school because that molly concern is going to turn into a bidding more you know and shannon i i agree with you but let me ask you a question who is going to enforce it. I mean you really. I don't i don't mean to say the same thing over and over again but the ncw right now is so backlogged on major cases. I mean they dealt with creighton. Today they still haven't dealt with a number of the big ticket items in you know who they are and if something flares up. Let's say team accusers. Team be i me and let the school throws itself on the mercy of the court. Even if they do that it'd probably still will take years to adjudicate very good point earlier about a home town kid. Hometown car dealership for example. But then you've got a situation where say A still out of state says when you come here we could probably promise you this type of in l. deal and that that kind of thing does does concern me just the bidding war that could erupt for players. I'm sure there's that kind of exists now under the table so to speak. But you know it's no. I think all of these are very good concerns. And i don't think it's going to be a pretty picture and i do believe that the smart schools have already probably figured out how to how to attack it and it's not going to be long. I mean we're already seeing some signs of what's going to happen here in a couple of weeks. Well they've already you know they've already announced it at georgia couple of players that have Tracked star and the kid just founded georgia. The the word is there's already and then i'll deal from a local exactly correctly in place for them and these kids haven't even seen the field yet. No anyway i i really There's good and bad with everything but in this case we all wanted this or most of wanted it. But i don't know how it's going to be managed And i know that Everyone thinks they have control of but it starts. It is going to be very difficult to contain. Hey thank you very much. Diane is calling next. Hello diane go. Right ahead. Paul i i just wanna say bisque. You know my nephew is little michael. A little buddy unsure. Michael followed you. Know to ole miss. And i'm really proud of him but the reason i'm calling you is to say what a great person you are and how great that you do what you do. And i've just that's all i wanted to say. Thank you for calling and updating us and we appreciate your eighty though on with the pie Yeah of course so. Let's hope to. I hope to see you soon. Diane thanks for calling in. I'm about to in birmingham the other day and i'll be back shortly and hopefully we can run into each other great great to see you but which the previous caller was right and there are. There are countless schools who've already who've already gotten the jump on the if you're if you're just trying to figure this thing out you are a thousand miles behind Dustin is in columbia missouri. In your on here hello. Hey good afternoon hey Big fan think. First of all appreciate you I'll just basically wondering your general impressions on fan And i was basically wondering your impressions on first year Even though the season went less than desirable in a lot of different directions. It's hard to judge a lot of things. I think my last season Given the the code situation but Our new head coach You i drink which i. I feel like he's a very driven Coach you've got an edge to him. And i was just basically wondering what you thought about his first year with the program and the new higher defensive coordinator we'll dustin I'm glad you asked i am. I'm a huge fan of a drink coach. Shrink and i frankly think you know. He's got a very good stop. I think of all the people that he's hired. Steve wilks is defensive. coordinator is his best. Hire and gotten to know steve a little bit. I was with them not too long ago and he's just a phenomenal individual. His his his past history is is extraordinary. I think especially from will help him in a recruiting standpoint for those who don't know he was. He was defensive coordinator when the panthers made it to the super bowl and he was a head coach in the for arizona in the nfl. And and i think he's a strong recruiter. I think he could he. Could he could help that program and a lot of ways. I know another curtis loopers on that staff. Somebody gotten to know over the years. A lot of other really good coaches so. I think this this this year. You'll start to see some of the rewards now. I know there was a big winner to last year. Lsu a couple of other games. I think this year is going to be significant I mean. I'm not suggesting they're going to end up playing for the sec. But i think they're going to have a really good year I think so too and You know unfortunately. I i get to sailing that. This is this coaches. I among possibly possibly some few great stops and yeah yeah. I would never wish this on anyone but i think the big challenge will be to contain him there. I agree i i've heard. Nfl fell people have looked at him from a distance. Deal he i mean. I have no idea what's going to happen in the future but but he will be a name to keep your eye on. I don't think there's any question about that. Greg is in iowa. You're on the air. Hello greg greg. good afternoon. Greg obviously did not Answer the bell. How about mo a next. Hello go right ahead. you're on the air. Why did i talk. We're doing great. Thank you so my question is do to high tax states california illinois new york state. When this in. I is past and these contracts. Come out how many recruits are going to pay attention to what their tax rate is in california new york state illinois. And won't that drive them to southern states. Four states that don't have state income taxes And that sort of thing how. How do you think that that is going to play in recruiting. I think if they have a financial advisor or someone close to them. It's it's enlightening this. Wouldn't that direct them away from a high tax state and into typically southern states are not highly taxed. So wouldn't that just benefit the sec. And especially i think. I think florida doesn't have state income tax so i could say okay. You're right Should know that. So it. Could i i first of all you know. I think i think you have to take a long view of if you're a high school senior about to become a college freshman. How much money. is is. Your is your upside and and we'll that stay and we'll that's actually a big factor but we're talking about eighteen year old kids and they're all going to go to the nfl sure so they all think that they're going to be the top dog on the team. So i was just curious how what you thought that the tax implications of these kids going to have to be paying because we don't have a value put on out and i'll just yet. Oh what these contracts are going to become now. We all know going to blow up. And i just i just have a hard time believing at that age. You're going to let a state income tax effect where you go to school. Yeah over four or five years. It could be a big number but if you think you're going to be an nfl star. I think probably but it's fair and they're going to a lot of things in in young people heads and i by the way california's already disadvantaged. I mean players are. We were talking to a player from. Who was it that we were talking to a couple of months ago. From ole miss who who left california other players have left. Cow georgia play. I mean obviously Fifteen percents play into all. Why would why would you live in california. If you didn't have to live in the state of alabama in california's the last on my list. Go to i get it. Hey thank you for the call. I i hear you loud and clear. Alabama longtime have never lives in california. We were coming back more of your calls at eight five five two four two seven two eight five listening to the paul. Finebaum show podcast. Do you own or rent your home. Share you and i bet it can be hard work you know. It's easy bundling policies with geico. Geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com denna quote and see how much you could save. Its gyco easy. Visit geico dot com today. That's geiko dot com and we welcome you back so many issues going on in college athletics right now from the cfp conversation today a dfw. The i l and of course the allston case. Yesterday the supreme court john talkie joining us from aol dot com always great to have one of the most influential voices in the land on college. Sports john thank you for joining us a. Where do we begin such a busy busy day. let's start let's start with today with word with the cfp kicking. This can down the road and and maybe even throwing up some warning shots about whether they can get this thing done with several officials talking about you know. These contracts are very difficult to unwind. Good afternoon where are we with the cfp. And how quickly can we expand this thing and make it palatable. Yeah good afternoon paul. You're right it's been a very busy last. Forty eight hours or so For college athletics. College football playoff discussion. What you saw today was a then continuing to kind of move on down the path. The any kind of real hurdles throwing up today essentially. We're all still moving toward that Twelve team playoff Which came out against initially a couple of weeks ago. I think there's a couple of different ways to interpret what they were saying. Yeah i think for me. Being kind of sports business minded person we're comes to mind for me is almost some public posturing to really create a little bit of leverage ultimately one of the biggest factors here and it was his awkward talking about on your show but your employer at other Kind of these broadcast network. Tv network deals and espn primarily for the college football playoff. you know. there's they're getting a lot of money right now but if they go from fourteen games everybody knows that's gonna lead to a dramatic increase in terms of the money. That's going to be involved and so i think there's a little bit of austrian right now from some of the leaders in terms of okay. You know here's why talk about twenty twenty three. They're saying hey are deal goes until twenty twenty six. So we're not going to introduce this thing unless it's really worth our while and so i think you're going to see some back and forth in that side of things just in terms of you. Can we reach a amount of money that makes sense for everybody. And of course i do. They still have issues to work out from so you know. Can they get these other goals on board that have historically have been challenging to deal with you know especially one out with Because i think one of the biggest thing that's come up so far is that you know people would love to see all those quarterfinals on campus. And you know it's gonna take people like the rose bowl organizers to get on board and that's not as well so i think it's partly by a little bit of time tempering expectations but certainly a little leverage posturing as well john. I understand all that but if it comes out here in four or five months that they can't figure this thing out and we're not gonna see this until twenty six. I mean how big of a blow is that going to be to this enthusiasm right now that is permeating the air terrell college football. Yeah get absolutely would be a blow. I think it would be a blow for especially you know. I feel like one of the first people. I saw came out the excited about this. Was you know gus. Malzahn down at central jakarta. I guarantee you at places like florida. They're gonna use in recruiting and right now. If you're recruiting a player you can say. Hey you know right now. We think it's to be twenty twenty three. You know we'll have a shot as ever it's going to be twelve teams fine. We'd the little guys are going to get a chance to be in the playoff. I pushed out the twenty twenty six. Then that most likely this recruiting by might not even see it unless they redshirt so i think it would be a real damper. You know different programs trying to capitalize on the excitement and use it to try to build up their program. I think that certainly come to the traditionalist would probably be excited. buys them some more time to figure it out more time to dominate the sec. big ten. Atc the ones who have benefited the most in the current setup. You know they'd probably continue to do well Through twenty six. But i certainly think it could hurt. You know the excitement. And i think one of the big ears paul is pushing a lot of this is that you know college football too much of a regional sport and if i think it does drag out and it seems like it's kind of this battle between the powers that be. I think it kind of even further went into that perception that this is more of a regional than national sports. John another subject. You don't hear about It was it was like ten years ago when when it was raging through the country. Although we've seen some leagues like the big twelve expand or flip teams back and forth in in the interim but do you think this conversation will bring expansion back in the future or do you think that is a long gone conversation in college. Athletics right now. I think it's a great question. All i think they you could look at it a couple of different ways. I would say my first gut reaction is that you know i would wonder what is there to be gained in. Theory is twelve team playoffs. Trying to open up access to more people more conferences. And things like that. You think there's less to be gained by being in circumference if it's a little bit more opened up but i do wonder it. I think we'll give some of the more in the future but there's all these different things happening right now in college athletics. There's all the amateurism talk. There's going you continue to be discussions about the power five breaking away to do something. I think you probably remember years ago. There were stories of what happens. If the vanderbilt and stanford and notre dame's of the world. Decide that this is becoming too much professional. Sports may decide the break away and do their own thing. So that's what. I could maybe see some of that realize happening again if that if the current nca model just as no longer staying for people based on the changes that we all see. Tell me that. I could see potentially creating another round of give either getting in a conference that suits what year kind of current mission is going forward or maybe pulling back a little bit. Thank we don't want to be associated with how things are trending. We're going to do our own thing I think that to this point that you spend a lot of public posturing to school saying a wines of our value but more often than not. The money is what talks they want. Keep making all that money. That comes some big time college athletics. But i'd be very infancy when some of these deals. Come up Of tv would be compensated. Whether that does we'd say changes. John john from aol dot com last fall. I believe you did a piece on the most influential people in in the sec. Mainly administrators commissioner television. People ever. i bring this because not only. Are you plugged into who care who. Curry's influence in the sec. But on the broader scope of college athletics. I know that's a long way to get a really simple question. Why is mark emirates. Still the president of the ncwa. Well it's a question that a lot of people are wondering you know. I think that the easy answer it. I'm not saying this is the most original answer that people said it too but in reminds me a little bit of the nfl situation. Roger goodell which he's essentially the guy who can take all the bullet And protect the owner's interest and b. Basically the bad got publicly so that the owners can. Do you know what they want to do. Some basic present that to the world. I think there is a math of massive. Divide in terms of how he is perceived at the ad coach level. I the president and chancellor level now as you think talking about plenty of times on this show especially last year when all these are bigger player. Not play decision We're up in the air. The president's chances are the ones that have the real power. They're the ones who are deciding. Essentially you know whether You know whether games are played the big changes that happen. It always comes down to that with the mta. There's a board of governors and it's not all presidents transfers but those are the most powerful people on that and those people evidently are okay with mark emmer continuing to be kinda bumbling face of the ncaa you take all the arrows. And he can protect what. I guess they want him to portray. I talked to a lot of people as well. Paul but i would say half the ad and totes level mark. Amer is very unpopular. And i would say if you polled Hundred and thirty fps abc's and said you know yes or no you want to eat mark amherst as Against victim and i mean it would be without question an overwhelming. No we would not want him to you. But again those people make recommendations to their presidents and chancellors and all that and ultimately those are the people that really have the power to change something and even in the space of i would say overwhelming criticism of mark amherst and the the whole gave him an extension so really somebody who thinks he's doing a good job which brings me to another question based off the allston ruling it's easy to predict doom and gloom for the nc double. I've been doing it for a long time and yesterday help move that down the road but do the commissioners and you're obviously callers to greg sankey and you follow you know most of them if not all of them do they really want the ncw. Go away because right now. They don't the nc double a. Is just a cash machine for them on the basketball tournament They don't really care what mark camera thinks about anything do they. I think you remember. Certainly you know. I would take quite a few conference. Commissioners including the one overseeing the sec was very upset with how edward handled some of the stuff there go and when they pulled the plug off baseball softball without really consulting people. There was a lot of anger around college athletics. This guy is not really consulting us the way that he should. I think that he is. You'd kind of you know a bumbling guy amongst those people now the thing that i've always come back you fall and that's kind of what you're here is basically you know whenever we see these stories of you know the power five potentially breaking away and i've heard him. You heard them. People you know high up people in college athletics discussed it's been discussed with the united states. Senators and people like that but the question is. Is it working for them to do that. Because what the into does do a lot of is hosting the track and field championships and all these other different competitions that you know we. All stay are important in terms of the college. I thought experience. But don't make money are not easy to coordinate. And you know it's there's just a lot that goes into that. Do those conferences want to add that You know to their place. That's always going to be something that i'm going to question about whether they want to really take on those responsibilities and of course probably the biggest factor of all is if they do break off Is this you know a committee approach. Is it one person becomes kind of the leader either name or de facto status. Because no commissioner. You're the commissioner commissioner. The big ten commissioner whatever. You don't wanna give up any power you don't want to just say yeah you know greg you be in charge of the power five. Nobody wants that. There's plenty of ego involved here. So that's gonna be another math of factor in terms of you know where it goes away in some regard. Is there someone who takes over kind of control of new organization or something like that because it will be difficult. I think to reach consensus there when she reached the top. You don't usually want to give that up to hear this from a lot of your constituents so you're saying it's probably unlikely that nick saban's going to be. These are college football. Everybody brings it up. And i will tell you this paul. I think that you know one of the things that i talked to people. All about About nick and i think one of the biggest questions with saving is you know. When when does he walked away. I think there is plenty of on your show recently about that. Obviously just signed an extension that you know. Have there hasn't coaching late into good seventy that most people always wonder is like you. He just loves being part of a team. Talk about that and like it would be so hard for him to do anything else. But i will say talking to people that know him. I think that being dr of football type thing which again i like you. I don't think it ever happened. But i do. Think that is one of those kind of roles that would stimulate and and gives him something to do beyond just being football coach so with all that said if i am a rival coach in the sec. I'm doing everything. I can to create football role and everything you pushing into that role because otherwise dominate college football. Yeah i mean. I think the natural answer john is closed down here is no. You couldn't give it to him but everyone everyone. Outside of greg byrne everyone in college. Athletics would vote for that so it may happen sooner than we think. Great to have you on it. So it's so insightful. To hear your voice on all these subjects that we hope to see john appreciate you as always you john yang salty. I mean i've said this continues as you know. There are few brighter minds on college football than him. And few young people that have as much influence with the people that run the programs and the organization and we are coming back with more. Your phone calls right around the corner. Listening to paul finebaum. Show podcast here on a tuesday afternoon much to discuss in the next two and a half hours and rod is up next in memphis. Elrod often hear me. I sure can thank you. Oh man i i i i love your show i gotta ask you one question for getting my main question. Of course that lady from alabama. Was that your mom or how much you pair probably i probably don't have enough to pay But i also to. I could always go to a bank if she'll keep calling. I'll tell you what you're besides spending hardaway. You're on every barbershop down there. They ever i was talking to my friends in memphis today on the radio and they told me that larry penny was about to hire larry brown who just turned eighty. I mean is that possible. I heard that too. I don't know if The powers that we'll let him but You know they love their basketball down here to tell you what it can't hurt. I mean larry brown has won championships in his life and the penny is still struggling to to show his his his style. As a coach he was a phenomenal player. But i hope it turns out. Well i don't know but you know i'd like to see that football program. I'm a football fan. Sec i called you once earlier fall last year and now that we're in the off season i got a question for you. You know i'm sitting here. Let me preface it. If i could real quick. I'm not a medal lady and i'm not the only the only sec stadium. I have not been in. This is to say no. So i'm like. She's from indiana indianapolis so i say hey. We're going to go to vanderbilt. So game we go to vanderbilt. It's been three or four years ago. And i'm like oh you're gonna be amazed you know. They're playing georgia. The stadium was half anti there. There was nothing like anything. I've seen a sec game. Not to offend anybody from nashville. But they can last me not you. You didn't ask the question but if you had one team that you can replace vanderbilt in the sec west with you who would it be well first of all. Let me stay just for the records. I'd put on a book by the way i was once. I was wondering newspaper. Columnists and i would write columns occasionally that suggested this. School should be kicked out of this league. So i i. I still i. I've been to a few places in the sec. Where i still have to answer People will come up to me and they say. What did you really write. That i go. Oh absolutely not i mean. Even though there's there's not only a record of it there's a book of my articles that include some of those articles. I think the school that covets the sec. More than any other school right now is oklahoma. And every time i say that i get blowback but i'm not saying that just try to irritate anybody. I'm saying it. Because i truly believe that oklahoma is a great fit for for the sec. I think a couple of years ago there was some back channel conversation. I mean more than a couple years ago a but i don't know if it will happen the thing about expansion you need. You just can't grab one school you need to to make it. Equitable assuming the sec continues with with divisions which. I think they will but if you could pick one team not not. Who's out there. If you can pick one team a beat. i'll tell you mind. Okay i would say florida state. Wouldn't that be well. I would argue this And you know the the dynamics changed it. Used to be you'd go out and try to bring a a region or audience together. You don't need to do anymore. The sec's on television. Everywhere and one school is not going to matter. Florida state is a natural fit. I i totally agree with you. But you know you know what to say to florida state. You had your chance the sec. Wanted florida state in the late eighties and early nineties. And bobby bowden turn them down. He didn't want to deal with the he he flat out. Turn the sec down. And he was honest about it. He did not want to face. Georgia and florida and auburn in alabama could have beaten most of them in his heyday. Yeah it could have but he. He knew it was much easier to get to to win a national championship by having a two game season and that two game season used to be still is really clemson and florida and other than that the attorney i mean florida. State fans. Don't don't want to get in the sec. They don't want it. They can't even they can't even compete right now in the in the acc. Let's continue Mitch is up next. You're on the air. Hello mitch all how are you doing. Great This responded to that person who is calling say to stay to don't require State taxes my To schools those states might have a recruit niche right. If i'm not if i'm not mistaken student fouls their state taxes in this in the state of resident meaning unless they have declared themselves resident of that state they they their taxes back into state they come from. Yeah yeah you may be right about that. I will tell you and we'll we'll shut this argument down. The state income tax is not going to influence. Someone's decision on where to go to school. They're not making enough money to matter. I agree because you got to make over twelve thousand dollars before you even fouls state taxes. I don't see many players making twelve thousand. Yeah you know mitch. The first two or three years of my career made so little money. I i didn't. I didn't file it and i had to fire. I realized after the fact and they allowed me to. They allowed me to they allowed. I really thought i was going to jail. We're not certainly discovered like two or two years into my career in alabama that i hadn't filed state income tax and talk to a lawyer. He's a you don't make enough money that they don't they they would never come after you. But here's what our do. And he helped me find. Somebody enough filed an addendum. And i think the state laughed at me. We're not filed it because it anyway. I just i don't anyway and i have one more question i know you're gonna laugh at it but what does the ansi that way do with all the money they make Mitch good question The answerable a basically uses that money to pay for mark emirates. Private plane his his Luxury presidential suites at the ritz carlton and It helped build a taj mahal building in indianapolis a couple years ago. I hate to run. We're up against a break. I went to long with a couple of interviews. Here we are coming back with much much more listening to the paul finebaum show podcast and we are back at. John is up next good afternoon. John thanks all how you doing. We're doing well. Thanks a lot for the call good. I'm just curious. I know where everything has. The beginning was the name image and likeness the genesis of that when the northwestern football players. I can't member who they sued. Whether we're hughniverse was at the beginning of that well. It certainly played a raw. I mean i think really this all began with the with the ed o'bannon case and when he took that to court the former. Ucla player. but but you're right. I think that was about seven or eight years ago. That was a very important moment. And i think i if this if this case continues down the road the austin case gets regenerated with another case. You could see the unionisation now now. The reason why i believe is craig northwestern was able to attempt to do. This was because it was a private institution. Okay so don't say and but the northwestern so they win didn't it. I believe they did but in the. I'm i'm vaguely remember. I mean i do remember the case. I remember patrick. Gerald was supporting the players in kind of a cryptic way. But it was a big deal. It it definitely. It garnered a lot of attention. I remember that other. I've just. I've just curious. I didn't know. I know where everything begins somewhere so i just kind of figure out where there's no i think you're right about that and and but i think you have to go back. I mean this has been going on a long time But i think you'd have to say it was the ed o'bannon case When when he sued them over his ability to profit. I mean it was it was a direct link and the nc double a. has been right for this for a long time and they just simply hunger hat on on on on on language. That really had nothing to do with the issue at hand and think that was why justice. Kavanagh's line yesterday is going to be repeated. That's the one thing we're going to remember from from the case is not even the merits of the case. Which really not that important. It was the line that he uttered the. 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Jon Court Interview - April 13, 2019

The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast

10:24 min | 2 years ago

Jon Court Interview - April 13, 2019

"Not like he needs any extra motivation this afternoon. But I bring that up with John court on the line, John. What do you think of that? Nobody chiming in a long range Taty just yet. Well, I begged the different with that. I actually have in touch with quite a bit of the fanfare their chiming in quite a bit. But then that's going to be a bias group. I'm sure that's not getting quite the coverage. Get more on a national level. We'll look let's start by looking back race. Let's look back on that last race that win in the rebel. What a gutsy effort. You wrote him for the first time he gets up. He beats improbable. He beats everybody that day. Take us through your trip in that race. Well, he broke exceptionally sharp. He was on on key right there and on target and run into the first turn as I was in a position where I'd necessarily did not wanna find my place growing wire-to-wire, but he was kind enough us and he's smart enough. Then when I asked him to settle he immediately give me what I want. And then of course, the others at set out in front of me Omaha beach was the one of the horses. I wanted to target and I just laid right behind that setup down the backside. It was challenged again with Mike now there's three of them in front of us, which was what I was hoping and expecting, and as I just bided my time more or less than two we turned for home. And I saw improbable range up on the outside of me. And I kept an eye out for him just being aware of where he was and I just gauged it from there, and I didn't wanna pull the trigger to sue. Soon and at the same time. I was a little concerned to be honest with you when I turn from my mind to pull the trigger to late. But as you see it ended up being. An executed trip of victory because we got up in the final yards. Just just right. So, you know, that's a great insight that I think a lot of fans don't quite understand how chocks maybe pick out a horse or two maybe even three sometimes that that they want to track as they're riding the race because they know those horses that they're going to have to beat at some point in the race. And and you can use that kind of as a benchmark of how you're racist going and make adjustments along the way talk about that a minute. Well, I do believe in most writers do it out a target horse. And sometimes it's four or five actually and you keep an eye on it. And then sometimes also the the racial on fold, and it doesn't figure out you like worse. So and so where's jock on that one? Because I know he's a speed rider with tactical speedy should be in front of me. But that's basically a strategy. You look at the horses the style, and you calculate the riders and they're riding style and how they may approach it and you just try to. You know, take that in mind that the race would unfold, and then you can plan your strategy ABC that would get you to the finish line first. And even though a lot of times, it doesn't unfold that way, and there's sometimes it unfolds exactly like you predicted. So the, you know, the old saying wants to gate opens everything changes. So I believe most for not all the writers that I would think strategize. Like that from over the course of my career watching a Mark their phone their race informs as I used to do as well and still continue to do they study? And then they go out there and try to apply they're playing and get their the winner. The winning race. Yeah. It's a great point. That's a great point John court with us here on the horse racing radio network, long range Taty his mount in this afternoon's Arkansas derby, John a couple of weeks ago, we were in Florida for the the Florida derby, and I had a chance to stop by the jocks room and visit with Johnny Velazquez, and Johnny echoed the same sentiments that you're saying here this morning. He said, you know, one thing that I'll do is. I'll take a look and get to know the tendencies of all the other riders that I'm competing against in. These racists sounds like you do the same thing. So I'm going to put you on the spot here a little bit a guy like Jose Ortiz who breaks from the rail with improbable and Mike Smith the hall of Famer whose board Omaha beach the other two likely favorites in the race kinda give me your overview of their writing styles and some things you'll be watching four from them later this afternoon. With their writing style. Well, I know they're going to have to. They're going to have to ride their horses accordingly. To this dollar the horses run. And I I know how to follow these writers enough I've been around him enough to just debt myself to kind of fold into the the play of the race. So those those as I mentioned earlier Omaha beach, actually when you're talking about the first vision of the rebel that's going to be one of my target horses today and improbable he's down on the inside. And I'm on extreme outside. So I'm I'm just expecting the race unfold where the speed would set up, and then I can run it down. And I'll I'll be keeping an eye on known only the riders in their style and the way the horses run, but trying to keep an eye on the energy, and what works looks like he's tiring in front of me. And then try to position myself. They're not be behind one of those horses that are Qatar because you wanna get by them without having any difficulty where you have to alter course, that periodically happens in races. So. It's going to be a money track today to so and less that it drains off and the day clears up we might be expected to run in the mod. And I'm pretty sure that's a high high chance that's going to happen. Yeah. The the weather. Factor. Right, right. How how does your horse handle the off track? When I don't know yet we were discussing that last night, but we're gonna find out today. I've got a lot of confidence. And I believe you'll it. Well, I'm going in as optimistic as I possibly can be. Yeah. All seven of his career starts come on a fast track. So his first time racing on a wet race track is a son of take charge Indy who is by abnd. So that bodes well. We know that APN are pretty good in the mud. So he has that going for him from a pedigree perspective. Johnny mentioned the outside post post eleven today mile and an eighth at Oaklawn park talk about some of the challenges that will post today. Well, actually, it takes some of the challenges out if you want to know the truth, in my opinion, because if I was down on the inside, and I had some of these other horses, especially the speed horses, or even the ones that tactical would most likely force my hand or put me in a position where I have to maybe use my horse a little more to maintain a position. And I'm looking at this as I said as optimistic as I can to where I can just fold into the into the race to where I feel comfortable, and hopefully the pressure with this speed horses will will just on will unfold with them hooking up without me having to be in between them because if I was down in between them while they would be putting pressure on long range Taty to maybe use a little more horse than I want to move or use a lot more worse than I desire early in the race. And I'd like to just keep as much as I can to keep a. An efficient amount of energy going all the way around there. This. I heard the the hall of Famer Wayne Lukas the coach coined that term one time and not only not only in that situation. It's not always the favourite will win it. Sometimes, of course, it has the best trip. And that's what we're all looking for not only a good trip. But the best strip without the best out of the results, we could possibly get. Yes. Sometimes to the way the race tracks playing the outside could actually be an advantage on any given day when the track is off. I agree with you a hundred percent. That's the way it's been play here. If you want truth here at Oakland this year. The. The surface just nat- naturally gravitates towards the rail. Just because the way the tracks with the great and everything, and you know, sometimes the rail is not always the best place to be. I mean, there's no question you're always ending advantage saving ground. But if you're running in a surface that deeper or tiring, it's not always gonna advantage. Visiting with jockey John court here on the horse racing radio network. John just a minute or so left before we have to wrap it up. Get to our final commercial break. Here this morning, if you can win this Arkansas derby this afternoon, you will equal hall of Famer Pat Day with the most wins in Arkansas derby history. Pat, of course is still one win ahead of you. When it comes to the Kentucky Derby, how much time do you spend thinking about about that? And allowing yourself to look ahead to what could be three weeks from today if long range Taty steps up and runs big this afternoon. Well, I don't know how much time, but I do reminisce on those thoughts thinking that. Well, hey, you know, if this happens, and if I'm able to experience this in my career, I think that would move me in a position to be one day hall of fame eligible so as long as I'm riding and winning and keep competing on this level. I think those goals and those challenges and those dreams are still there in front of me. It'd be fulfilled. Very well said John court here on HR N, John you rearrange your schedule. The be with us this morning. Really? Appreciate it. You're always so accommodating and good luck this afternoon and most importantly safe trip when you get a leg up. All right. Thank you, Mike and routing. Thank you.

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Hour 1 - Darren gives his thoughts on TIngler's comments from last night and the unwritten rules plus Dennis Lin

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Hour 1 - Darren gives his thoughts on TIngler's comments from last night and the unwritten rules plus Dennis Lin

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We say good afternoon to the host of the wrap up show. He is Jim. Russell. This is Jim. Obviously, there's a lot and that padres find themselves in the middle of a conversation at least in the baseball, universe is interesting. It's a little bit unusual I will tell you that some of this conversation if I'm just being honest here at times is a bit tedious. It's a little bit boring. It's a little bit self absorbed on behalf of Major League baseball because it's nothing that is any new, it's not new. It's it's it's a different name in the different team and it's a different manager but frankly, these conversations about unwritten rules in baseball are just really self absorbed and often times very, very boring. It's Kinda like well as Lebron James. Clutch should pete rose be a hall of Famer. What do we think about Baker? Mayfield. It's just sorta conversation over and over and over again. Now, it turns out that that actually wasn't the right conversation based on what happened last night, and if you don't know what happened last night while you're obviously not social media, the padres won against the Texas Rangers. This is important. I think that this is important context that the padres one on the road against the Texas Rangers, it's a four game series of sorts, but the first two games are going to be played in the Texas Rangers Ballpark and then the second two games will be here at Petco Park starting tomorrow. So they're gonNA play a little later on this afternoon, we'll keep you up today. And padres had just lost five straight and you have people on radio who are like what's going on here? This team is under five hundred. This team is in fourth place. What should they do? Should they think about selling off some of their pieces? Should they think about a youth movement even though they already are in a youth movement but should they expand that? Should they bring in? Mackenzie Gore should they give Louise Patino one of the five starting spot? Should they go to? A six starting spot. Well, what's going on with with Chris Paddock? He's not really the sheriff. Now there's just there is a lot of conversation. Some of this really really mattered in that the padres just go out and start thumping the Texas Rangers and they thumped them and they were up big in the game. They were up ten three at one point bases loaded on jerks and pro far infield base head of Josh Naylor Walk Trent Grisham, Walk Again I, think that these things matter. And the be all. Baseball the buzz player in Major. League Baseball for twenty twenty, don't tell me it's anybody other than Fernando taty shooter because it's not and that's not parochial. That's not Khomeinism. That is just fact Fernando t-totes junior we're going to speak with two people who have written extensively within the last ten days about Fernando Totti's junior one on a local level although it's a national publication that would be the athletic. Dennis. Lynn will be here at the bottom of the hour. And then Jeff Passan's going to join us at one o'clock. Jeff Passan we talked about what he had written and produced video piece at ESPN, dot com that appeared on ESPN and all the different networks that he is a blossoming superstar. In this sport, we have spoken and I really thought about this a lot last night and a little bit this morning when we spoke with Pedro Gomez from Espn who compared Fernando taty junior to Jose. Fernandez who tragically passed away a couple of seasons back I really thought about that because Jose Fernandez found himself in a couple of situations too didn't he when he was pitching for the Miami Marlins most notably against the Atlanta braves where he pinched a home run and Brian McCann and some of the Atlanta braves whoever that goofball third baseman was at the time they didn't take too kindly to that and that became another in about what feels. Like, a million different conversations about these stupid unwritten rules of baseball and what you are allowed to do however wasn't exactly the story. The story was more about Fernando Tattoos junior missing a sign. We can discuss whether the sign to take or to swing away in a ten three game. We can go circles on that subject I'm sure Fernando, Totti's junior missed assign he swung away three and hit a grand slam he was greeted by his general. Manager by his manager who were there who were on the side of the field? Obviously, the manager would be the general manager was there with the assistant general manager Fred, delman junior they showed them all throughout the game and you could see him walk by he had some sort of interaction with Aj, Prowler, and then he had some sort of interaction with chase tingler who says new manager who he's had now for all of twenty four games. and. Then Jay's Tingler spoke after the game and was asked about that at bat and that at bat which preceded that bat by Manny Machado who was clearly thrown at umpires did nothing about it they are supposed to do something about it. They did not do their jobs last night. Sorry nothing else. You can really say about it. Really nothing else you could say I don't know why there's something has to come from that after a grand slam understanding that the situation and the circumstances there might dictate that sort of Caveman type archaic behavior. But Jay singer post game didn't seem all that thrilled and the conversation continued all throughout the night and then when the east coast woke up this morning and they saw what happened and of course, they chimed in and by the time all of us woke up today there was. Just A. A bit of controversy here about this Fernando Totti's junior at bat in which he hit his second home run of the game seven runs driven in an absolute laser. Knock him for swinging away maybe pits election although certainly made an outside pitch that was a little bit low scream out of that ballpark last night. But a lot of people turned off by J Tenga the manager and what he had to say post game. So let's give a lesson. Starts with just. Picking up the sign life, the the learning opportunity, and and just see you know a lot of our guys have green light. but you know in this game in particular. We had a little bit of a comfortable lead and. We're not trying to. you know, run the score or anything like that. So you know, but on the take signed and and. A straighter. Yeah and the reason why this becomes one of these conversations about running up the score and the unwritten rules the written rules of baseball etiquette. All those sorts of things is because Jay Tingler introduced as such in his post game press conference, which I thought was really poorly handled. I thought it was very clumsy. He walked it back here. Some of the things that J singler had to say. A little later on in the segment. As we said, this is going to be an awful lot in the first hour hour. Fifteen of this program because will be here at the bottom of the hour and then Jeff Pass will be here at one o'clock but he's the one that's sort of say. Yeah. We're not trying to run up the score you're like, well, what are we doing like? What are we doing exactly? What are we saying that jerks and? WHO's out there? Who's collecting an infield hit and what are we saying to Josh Naylor WHO's working out walk and what are we saying to transition? WHO's out there WHO's working out a walk and these guys who are loaded the bases? What are we saying to these guys in ten three game? There is no mercy role in this sport and there's nothing you can do and these players they really can't win. Can they because if Manny Machado were in that situation and hit a Ground Ball anywhere on the infield and SORTA jogged it out guess what happened today Manny Machado it'd be criticized by a lot of people a major league baseball because he's not trying but then the complete opposite message is what we're receiving here that you're not supposed to try at least not in that count, which is three now. So what are we saying to these players here? No, wonder I, it's just it's really really irritating again, and as I said, it's quite boring to keep. Having these kinds of conversations all throughout the years when we're telling. Manny Machado Shaming Manny Machado because he's not running something out, we're saying you're not trying. But then when we have a player who's an exciting upcoming blossoming player in this league and he swings at three Oh in seven run game with a five game losing streak a bullpen which has been a real nightmare. It's the real real sore spot for this club. Well, we're not trying to run up the score in that. Situation. So yeah, these guys can't win. They can't win if they're not running and not they can't win if they're swinging they just they can't win at times and it really is I said it becomes somewhat infuriating and obviously Jay Cutler with his connections to the Texas Rangers in Aj prowler with his connections to the Texas. Rangers, it was easy to suggest. Well, what are these guys doing here? Do they feel bad because this is their former club and if so aware their priorities. What's that all about Taylor by the way Sango much different tune this morning Jason Taylor had a zoom press conference which was populated by many more than just the regular Sandiego usual media that attends these sorts of things. They were national type reporters who were there on scene was singing a much different tune this morning from the padres manager. Just start off. No there's a lot of chatter. You know last night late last night early this morning. Happy answering questions he is. Abd. Get. This morning and and. Others the story lines a little bit You know different wish it was more on the twenty one year old you know opening game up finish. Finish in the game. Yea He had a special night just You know wish. Wish wish that was the main. Questions in happening. All right and he began his zoom press conference with the statement which if I heard Mardi correctly is not something normally that he does. Not. He's never done that right and it was like a twenty minute press conference and as you can imagine every single question, every single question was about Totti's nothing about. There's a game today. Didn't realize it. But everything was about tease how it was handled his reaction. Unwritten rules which of course again, your favorite thing became a bit of a thing last night even though he says, it wasn't about unwritten rules. It was about missing the sign. So yeah, that was that was today's well, he sort of made it about. We're not trying to really run it up there, but you know last I checked I'm sorry. But I do believe that that pitcher is still out there trying to compete he's not conceding although it certainly appeared that way, which is why again I find this conversation to be really I can't believe that we're still talking about this and twenty twenty. You know that this is still a conversation that baseball circles are having about what? Your etiquette is supposed to be when we know full well, that that pitchers out there who's struggling right. But what we say to the players who were on bass worked out walks grinded out of bats who are feeling good about themselves for the first time in a week say walked out of Dodger Stadium after game number two, he didn't Fernand attached junior he didn't pimp the homerun he didn't do what he did against the dodgers. Go Park remember that he didn't do that. So if anything sort of say, why would you swing at that pitch other than you are From another world and you can actually hit that pitch out of the Ballpark, which is just amazing and greatest in your DNA can't help yourself right the two home runs last night. Wow, this is spectacular. Watching him do this sort of stuff but you know now, of course, then he's got to speak after the game last night was somewhat apologetic about the situation again, not so much because of unwritten written rules odd you. But because he missed the sign, which I do think is fair criticism I know he's Fernando Tattoos, junior and everybody's GonNa give him the white glove treatment here because as even I've said here on this show, you need to do everything in your power to make sure that this absolutely loves being here you need to do everything you can to ensure that he loves it. The money stuff is going to be a challenge but create a culture here that is catered to Nando Totti's junior. You might think that's premature. I'm not so sure but even Fernando Totti's junior last night was talking about this. Game, since I was a kidman and all of will. Now this done under that I was I was Kinda lost this one was you? They told me after by seven after six go online that in that you know from those experiences gotTA learn from it. Next. Time I'll take your bitch. US used over men looking for. Yeah. I. Mean. Did he actually apologize? I? Don't know I mean sounded somewhat apologetic again I think certain things get taken twisted and turned, and then of course, you gotTa Wake Up and you got idiots like trevor, Bauer and everybody else into conversation as well without fully understanding context about what actually happened there, and whether assign take sign was issued from the padres dugout and whether or not he missed it. So there is something that's A. Little bit more layered. Then just Nancy this is what it is. We're not letting these kids have fun and Yada Yada, but still I think that the manager certainly could have diffused this afterwards if I were advising him knowing full well that this line of questioning is coming because the guy who came in who replaced Pitcher, who gave up the Grand Slam forgive me for not knowing who they are. I don't care about the Texas Rangers. That guy by the way has been suspended today Major League Baseball Three Games, which is interesting but I He. Threw right behind Manny Machado and I don't know that Manny Machado was all that surprised probably if you saw a video that I posted, which was Manny Machado standing in the on deck circle he sort of have a look on his face like. I don't know if I'm GONNA wear it or he missed the sign here. He didn't. He didn't look down at third base of interesting. Just one of those and he knew I mean he knew that something they're in that situation was could have been hey I might have to wear this. Stepping into the batter's box. Some of it might, well, how do we know none of us know I mean that's the other problem with this is that none of you know none of us know so we're not in there and we're not talking to Machado only knows why he had that reaction that he did I can't help. But think that some of it was probably the teach junior didn't look down at third. Base and certain guys just don't do that I may or may not have had a conversation with a third base coach today who told me certain guys you have to get their attention because in certain situations, they're not always looking down they think that they're given the green light to do whatever, and in certain situations, they might not lock in. You gotta whistle you gotTa talk to say Hey. I need you is right here like I have signed for you. You need to pay attention to what it is that I'm doing. Don't said I don't think that that's what happened last night but again I just you know this unwritten rule stuff is just tired. It's boring. Really. Just boring because I feel like we go through this three or four times a year and it doesn't get fixed and it just turns people off including me. It really does it really. If, there's more to this story about whether Jay, Tingler should have had his players back last night I'm into that kind of conversation more. Maybe he should have rethought pick and choose his words more carefully and I think probably would you communicate and connect with media so you should actually think about the things that you're going to say especially in a situation like this where everybody's looking for something to GLOB onto that, they can turn into some sort of controversy, right? Okay. No, I think that normally I get the sense from today's presser and the way he handled it with the opening statement and the resulting answers that. If you could do it differently again I think he would address the situation much differently than he did yesterday. Now let me ask a hypothetical and I don't want anybody to think that I'm bringing up a conversation here about race because I'm not. But let me just ask ten three game. Eighth INNING. Austin had just steps to the plate and Austin hedges swings. And Hits a Grand Slam hits one out of the BALLPARK. Are we have in the same conversation today. Or is part of this Fernando Tattoos Junior. A face of baseball certainly a future face, a baseball and a lot of, people's opinion. Free Pass to do whatever he wants whenever he wants because he's super exciting and we can't take our eyes him. I. Don't know if that I don't know if it would come from. Padre. Fans but I think of the number of athletes in Major League baseball I don't know that. That other players would have had his back the way they did Totti's. Tease and that's just how he plays. It's not it's not. But if it were anybody else if it happened if it had happened against the Padres, I think fans would have taken great issue if you turn the tables if this for cody bellinger or cory seager that that would have been like a Bush League move the absolutely that's kind of how sports sports is some of it. Yeah. I mean some of it and some of that is us too because we've already said, hey, we don't know what the contract situations going to look like, but you better do everything in your power to make sure that Fernando Tattoos Junior is as beloved here as he's capable of being anywhere. With, the price of gold and other precious metals at an all time high now is a good time to sell your jewelry and the best choices. SAMUELSEN'S SAMUELSEN's is golden silver and all forms diamond engagement rings, Estate Heirloom, and luxury jewelry and watches in a safe private and no pressure environment schedule. An appointment with an expert evaluator learn about the history of each item, and so with confidence knowing you got the best price and you. Can Use the extra money. 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'cause you're not in a bigger market but these guys national deal with Adidas, a national deal I, think is what BMW or some sort car company here Dennis wrote about it that he's already starting to pick up those those types of deals early on when he hasn't even played a full season. Padre that you can remember the head national I don't think. These guys usually get excited when they get the cork he's pest control I mean that's The moment where you go guys arrived he's doing a commercial for corky talking to a guy and he's the last guy and he's a joyful player. As we've said, he really really is steph curry and he really really is. Patrick. Mahomes. Guy Like he is and he plays with with such joy. So I don't think anything happens today especially now that we know that the pitcher who threw it, Machado was given a three game suspension. One thing I was talking to watch out for was minor needs to figure things out minor who's throwing today for the Texas Rangers. But Lance Lynn, tomorrow might be a guy like we're paying attention to minor. Oh. Okay. Correct. If there's somebody here SORTA Kooky enough it would be a Lance Lynn type WHO's throwing tomorrow here Petco Park, Chris Paddock opposite Jim. You're on the post game show last night. I'm sure this drove the conversation definitely did there's there's obviously a lot more that came out today and then hearing J. Steeler talk and then the whole thing with the hosmer talking him on the bench we didn't know if that was if he was talking to him or not, and then Manny Machado getting thrown at people were mostly upset with Jason Taylor and completely, I feel like our overlooking what the Rangers did like this is all on Jay's Taylor from this fan base I feel like. Right by the the Texas Rangers, you mean coming into the game and throwing Amanda Machado Right I feel like that's completely being overlooked at i. feel like the anger instead of at the Rangers for throwing at Machado and bring up the unwritten rule baseball is directed at Jay Stigler for not sticking up for a superstar player. Okay. Well. We'll see if J. singler survives this very difficult moment in the show. I think he will. This is this is the moment and by the way, the picture that the Grand Slam has been placed on the restricted list by the Rangers for personal reasons and removed from the forty man roster. Giving up the grand. Slam there must be something else they're going on but. Yeah I mean, this isn't nineteen eighty, anymore nine, hundred eighty. You should expect something like that. You know that that sort of ethos still existed in the sport I really did think beyond it. Apparently? Not Apparently, we have to keep having these stupid conversations about what the proper etiquette is the situation. Getting nowhere here by etiquette, but I will just just based on your first your first twenty minutes here at twenty plus minutes here Darren and exactly something that Jason said in today's zoom press conference he is so tired of. Tired. Tired of them right. So tired tired and really I don't think it was you know aside from J. pointing out that they're not trying to run up the score like, what are you talking about man like what are you talking about? You're asking your players to ground out grind out at bats in the eighth inning of the game you just are coming off a five game losing streak. Your bullpen implodes on a more creative way every night. emf anything I thought that's what Fernando Tattoos junior were saying Aj prowler when he walked past him was like, Hey, dude, have you seen the bullpen that you built? That's why I'm swinging away. It's A. Conversation was about that's my interpretation but on the lip reader so I don't really know said I'm GonNa, take you off the hook I'm GonNa. Take your bullpen off the hook right here. In this moment know what are you think is is a nine rate is eleven run lead is not enough. I'm GONNA give you a lift for Kirby. Hates likely being done for the season right right at this moment. It's just it's weird. It's it's a very weird thing. All right, Dennis one of the F. press conference this morning from j Tingler what are your thoughts on the entire? Arnett. Tattoos junior situation. Not The around you. But I think, God, God make for Natasha. Break unwritten rules and do what he did. Last night and. You know I think this is just further proof the bottom line at. The sport eight more. Teeth. Junior Jason Tingler kind of backpedaled this morning and said, you're going to let last night that out you know giving the take sign there. was around call but I. Think we're all learning and Jason's well, he has you know learning to do as a rookie manager and how to handle the media and different things that you know. To you senior is Kinda Guy. You put any restraints on. Right. Regardless of game situation as well and you know for me I know we can ask a question about it extensions and what this is going to look like in the future and what sort of commitment that organization is capable of etc. But I think I think Dennis obviously I don't know I think a lot of padre fans were somewhat off by Jamie. Tingler. Last night because they feel like. Somehow now needs to be catered to Fernando Totti's junior right and I wonder if inside of the organization if he's already reached that level were though. Still looking to play his first season if everything in the padres organization is about catering to Fernando Tattoos Junior. You have to be my full value approach, someone like that versus just someone on your bench where player you don't expect to be around for very long. But the same time I. Still Really Really early in this guy's career and it's only dental over one hundred games and. Judging. By the way you know he's conducted himself. He's not in any rush and he's willing to bet on himself in a lot of ways. I think he's very aware of pretty much everything. You go back to last night. He's very aware that the padres bullpen has been really bad season. He's very aware. That had trouble closing out games and he's very aware that there's been a lot of you know big comebacks baseball recently just with how wonky the season as been so. But I think also aware that you know you know when the time comes, you're GONNA make a ton of money. He stays healthy. So yeah, definitely matter what people say right now matters. How he plays and how much money Potter's Pony Up, they try to extend them eventually, which will. But at the same time, he's he's GonNa have. I think at some point because he's just as good and You can just tell by the. Public this founded right now he's the real crossover star and he's just an absolute God and San Diego already. So I think that's kind of on the back burner right now. Absolutely Dennis Leonard, the athletic is joining us on extra thirteen sixty. Tell us a little bit the some of the back story of putting together a piece like this. We talked a lot during the pandemic Dennis. That you had written and some of the creativity. Obviously, this is a subject that people not just here in San Diego. Interested in this has become quite an international, not just a national, but frankly an international conversation about Fernanda t junior tell us a little bit about putting this together giving US A. Bit of a different look into Fernando. Totti's junior spoke with his dad. You spoke with different people on the team etc. Had this all come together? I think the idea that I plus obvious like you said, you're getting attention and interesting if people wanna read them. So why not you know try to find out what he's doing this year that's made them even better than last year. So that's how went about it and You know talking to people who've been around the game long time like these these coaches and obviously that's he'll. Definitely. Definitely worth surprises I think I think just the number one thing it's not so much surprises something that doesn't get mentioned enough. I. Think that again he's really really smart for twenty one year old and that comes from. GROWNUP in baseball family and it's not just always talking every single day and talk to his dad and asking questions sticking around for twenty one years. you definitely by osmosis absorb. One of the knowledge, His dad's an apple teacher, he runs baseball academy and at medication and. If you're shopping on on up and you combine his athleticism, which is basically Olympic level with you know just savvy and just all that knowledge has. That's why you gotTa player this good Obviously, you had to take a perfect storm, but you know the padres are definitely benefitting from it right now. So the entire. Idea was just see how handling the transition your to and. How he's handling all the attention that's come. Upon them right now and I would say so far he's is pretty much the. Yeah. Absolutely, and you know some of that also, which is what I was just going to ask you is is coming from the background that he comes from. That this is this is a lot. This is even in our sleep a little corner of the country dentist like this is a national TV commercial. As you point out, there's a national conversation about Padre player today, which is not something that you and I experience all that much of including anybody else here in the local media. But but how wired is he to handle everything that is already starting to come his way in terms of all of that, and clearly he's just scratching the surface. On a career that many think has no limits and it's really unbridled expectations here. So based on on what you were able to pick up talking to his dad talking to his coaches, teammates, etcetera I mean what? What's IT GONNA be like just absorbing all of that managing all of that that comes in addition to having to go up there and you know take five at bats per night in the big leagues. And the thing is it doesn't seem like it's just surprising handlers, Dad you can if you if you read a little, his dad's quotes some of the things he said I might come across imprinting like his dad is. Has the unreasonable expectations for the memory some kind of helicopter parent. That's just not the case he he knows what he's capable capable better than anyone else and. he he's been around longer than anyone else. So I think that they both agree. For these junior and senior that you can do better than which. Poor something allowed to see Of course, the on the other side I'll also gonNA try to get him out and they adjustments but he's just one of those rare free stack and making adjustment of course, dot anyone else I mean to you talk about my travel is one of the best friend I just. Pretty skinny whenever coming up in the minors. Not a guy you look like I'm say right away okay to be superstar, but he just adjusted quicker than anyone else and I think now. Teeth and he's He's very confident. It's on abilities obviously. So I think the road ahead of them as long continues to make smart decisions. Visa he's got every chance to be a good you know. Who in that organization right now Dennis is keeping this thing grounded I. Mean as much as you can keep this grounded and I know again that there are some like grounded I want. No, let's just let them swing three Oh and hit grand slams even in routes, etc but. Manny Machado was brought in here obviously, a lot of comparisons the two of them appearing on the cover of sports illustrated hosmer's a guy who you reference in the in the in the profile. Who are they? Is there anybody inside of this Organization on the coaching staff or I guess it would probably be more likely player itself who has sort of been nudged to like hey, you know like be in his ear a little bit and make sure that that you know that we were not and we don't want to take take away but we also want to make sure that he's still continuing to learn and that this isn't getting a little bit out of hand. Well now some people are gonNA TO ROLLER IS A. Veteran presence line, but he has does have a lot of between Eric Hosmer Machado for a reason. those guys just. And it's something his dad and it just doesn't have to be talking all the time. You know what they're doing in Washington how coq out their business course all the Pentagon him right now. So it's Kinda. Tables, kind of flips and that he's got to become the leader of the team and he showed signs that ease long to take on that role, which is really impressive for. A twenty one year old. But those those guys that have been day for him the coaches rated that Howard stifle years how questions he asked to. Seven players into coastal staff and People are gonNA maybe chuckle us as well but the. Day I last year as well. GotTa, you know talking to your mindset and how you approach his games and There's reason dickey around in the front office and. I don't believe they still talked regularly and it's It's just combination of guys like that. But yes, both on the players side because I think to be able to get through the galaxy after either have played or it'd be playing right now because there's just things that no one else can do. But if you're at least a player, you can kind of get on a similar level in terms of talking to them give them life. I don't know that this does or doesn't qualify as the first controversy of the Jays Tingler era. But if it does Dennis, how would you how do you think that he handled everything from last night up into to you and I talking this afternoon before game two of the series which probably isn't that surprising from a new manager with Now, this superstar player who? I don't know if anyone again decides Taty Dad expected would be at eleven. Home runs right now twenty, twenty, two, twenty, three games into the season. But I think you know you definitely backpedalled probably was taken back by just the the national attention. How up overnight. but I think what's maybe last year well, he's he's not the old school you can't do this can't do that kind of manager. Everything I've heard he's actually pretty pretty open and pretty You know willing to accommodate a lot of that the new new and he's just a stickler for roles and you stick with for attention and he reiterates day he probably should have done a much better job last night as saying that you know there should have been. there. The teaching moment should definitely focused on fact that talked he's missed signed third day often, and now it's important to be on the same page when your team but. he also probably could have done a better job of publicly sticking up for his players including Manny Machado who is growing at. you saw with you know Joe Madden entire time with cousin how the angels You'd say things that would drive other teams crazy like the. PADRES. Were with ethnic and a few years ago but e- You know no matter what he's going to stick with his players publicly and that's That's a good trait to happen a manager because that's how you. That's how you win everybody over not just not just your own players. Hey Dennis. We appreciate it. Thank you. Excellent work can't recommend it enough that people go to the athletic and find what it is all the things that Dennis rights but this one in particular about Fernando Tattoos junior is just even by your own ridiculous standards. Really really good. Thank you for joining us today. We'll talk to you soon. Appreciate the time be well. Staring and I might add we have A. J Cronin story up as well by any mccalla. Feedback. So check that out. All right. There you go. I didn't mean to slight anybody else I had all sorts of questions here about the pitching rotation and everything but we will let you move on with your day is, as I, pitch approaches. Thanks. Bye. Appreciate it. Sir. Got Denison everybody from the athletic again, and it's worth. I. Don't even know what the subscription fee is, but it is it is worth at exit thirteen sixty wants to pay your bills one more chance today to win a thousand Bucks listen for the nationwide keyword to tax. You can win instantly get all the contest time now sports as D. Dot. com. Next chance to win coming up at one PM we are back and FM one, zero, three, three. Jeff, passing coming up at the top of the Hour I. Remember it was about a week ago maybe a little bit more. The Jeff Passan road perhaps even longer story than Dennis. Lynn Road at the thematic where there was this weird image of him on a beach and a pair of shorts typing away on some sort of laptop all the nine was running around on the field without their shirts on and it's just like what are they? All Work and no play Jeff Passan. Don't know what that's all about. Very Weird. But I'm talking about the written piece which I'm sure. About one percent of the people who watch the video actually read because there's a lot more to it and it's something I've always wondered about Fernando taty junior is he is a player. Of Privilege Relatively speaking in the Dominican Republic. And we've had a chance to interact with lot of foreign born players players in the Dominican heard a lot about their stories and oftentimes they come from absolutely nothing and you would understand the motivation I. I always reference Miguel Tejada I've thought even for a half a season was one of the most interesting players that have ever covered because once I read his story about living literally in a tin shack in. The Dominican. Republic. That got blown away by hurricane. You can sort of say huddles I understand why somebody's motivated the way Miguel Tejada is even if that included some PD uses I can understand somebody saying, Hey, I'm going to do everything within my power to make sure that nobody in my lineage has this type of situation and context matters really really does but junior grew up the son of a major leaguer. He had made and yet he still found himself. So motivated not only to get to the big leagues, but also to become the player that he's becoming right before our eyes. So I think it's interesting speaking of these stupid unwritten rules because as I said, I don't mean I know I should just get on my knees and say thank you. To The sports. Radio. God's forgiving this subject. But when you've done it over and over and over again like you just like, why do we keep talking about these unwritten rules genuinely irritated by it It's people off. I. Think that that's not so much about me I think I represent a bunch of people sport I. Think I represent a lot of people who are being turned off by this sort of stuff. And I'm not saying that all etiquette needs to go out the window and there's certainly room for etiquette and sports. I understand why basketball players get mad when a player is a rebound shy of a triple double late in the game and it's a blow out and they do something to manipulate a situation so that they can pick up a rebound I get that I do I, understand that I understand soccer why Philip Cotino didn't want to celebrate scoring against Barcelona I I get that. But this sort of stuff I just don't get it. Man Jay's tingle doesn't get it either. There's just so many y Y, opinions on. What I know is is. We're looking to grow the game. You, know. Let the guys play and and promote him in Seoul looker times for for some of the rules in in some things out there absolutely are but. Not Looking to break unwritten rules were looking win the game. And and look at to finish the game off which again is not my said we we as leads and we haven't made a little break open or push through and you know for our team the is load the basis up for taxis to deliver on that that's. That's finishing the game and that's the part should be talking about in my opinion. Yeah, and he played a role in us. Spending time. Shouldn't say US most of you spending? Spending time talking about anything. But that because he's the one that said look in the run up the score and all that other stuff and I think was very fair for people to go. Okay. So a couple of ex Texas ranger employees or here feeling uncomfortable in a situation like that. What's that all about this became somewhat of a purity test for Jay's Angler and frankly last night he failed it. Because he left out open to speculation and today he walked back and did much better than he did last night. So I. Think you move forward I Jeff Passan ESPN when we come back.

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"We want the best of both worlds. We want a hybrid a smarter. Hybrid cloud approach with ibm helps banks personalized experiences with watson. Well helping keep data secure. The world is going hybrid with ibm. Visit ibm dot com slash hybrid cloud fried passion than patrick. Three of college. Football leaves here. Is paul finebaum. Show our one podcast. We welcome you to a friday. Glad to have you onboard much to do. Today is super bowl weekend and we will go down to tampa a little bit later on. Talk to laura rutledge. We'll get riccar. Owes view of the business aspect of the biggest sporting event in the world. See so hurt later on on the basketball weekend and a little bit more. Nick sabin will begin the conversation with drew smith the missouri guard so a lot to do and we appreciate you being here for the next four hours and the phone lines are always open and we will get to your calls pretty quickly here at eight five five two four two seven two eight five. That is eight five five two four two seven two eight five this week. So much conversation about nick sabin and and i know that If you're not an alabama fan you're going oh my goodness will this ever end. Well may not ever end A joke yesterday in an interview that College football only has one hope. And that is nick sabin to retire otherwise it is doomed. And i think that's probably about as prescient as you can get. But we had a number of guests on this week as we look back on another amazing week for nick sabin in alabama john taty earlier this week talking about the importance of this great recruiting class for nick sabin the fact that he keeps recruiting at this level and keeps bringing in super highly regarded recruits to lose. So it's not anything that were unfamiliar with but the fact that alabama is signing against such an incredible class that i think matt's good job of kind of summing up just shows that alabama's not going anywhere anytime soon. So that was john you talking about new zealand's best recruiting class in his career. Which is saying a great deal of itself. Yesterday chris lowe who has chronicled saving for every step of his career at alabama's quite close to the alabama head coach. He joined us as well. He loves the game. You love being around the players in the staff and been on the practice field. He told me one time. I said you know how much longer can you do this. And he looked at me he said. I can't imagine my life not doing this. I don't even want to imagine. That's how much he enjoys it. Some people look at their work through their profession as a grind. It certainly coaching. Football can be a grind. I don't think nick is ever looked at it like that. Chris lowe and john tall t to great writers on the continued influence of the sixty nine year old. Nick sabin absolutely at his peak at alabama. We will take your phone calls now at eight five five two four two seven two eight five. Appreciate it much to do on a very busy friday afternoon. Let's start with david who is in mississippi. Hey david David we're doing great. Thank you is my first time calling. I will say alabama and rona their agree boys distinctly no matter what time and while the radio a de gold randy owen from ban. Obama paul finebaum. Mom dad raised right. You're one of those speed voices no matter where i'm at if i hear your voice request that's amazing by the way you're talking about two two friends of mine i've known you. I since literally the day. I got to birmingham and randy i've gotten to know over the years and He's just one of the true ambassadors to To alabama and to enter the country music in general. What are the great One of the greatest entertainers of all time. So i really appreciate you mentioning me in in the same breath. I mean i. I used to i. I've always been kind of turn the radio down. My dad was the same way album develop amazon. Tv was on the radio. Now the randy in painter over andy a couple of times person and in around the four paint area. But regardless of that you know alabama had another great recruiting class g dell amazon Elliott had another great class came in this week. We don't i will say this. I wasn't a fan of mike. Shula when my with alabama. And i felt like we. We underachieved ally while he was there. But it will say this. You look around the drill around the southeastern conference. How badly some coaches fumble the transition kind of thing and i will say that have been banned. Lots of mike shula and his fast. It never got that bad at alabama even the worst of the worst and never got that bad. I put a lot of that office. Shula coming in weird circumstances. Mike christ thing and everything else for coming kind of putting a band aid on alabama football for a little bit us. He'll and came in. Of course he did. A lot of this first class obviously win a championship with martin and all those guys might soon his pappy. The line of credit. You make a good point there I mean if you think about the worst of alabama football i would include. Mike do bose's first year and mike shula's last year as well as his first year they were they were. They were always competitive. You're one hundred percent correct about that yet. So i just think fan make sure everybody says my shoe and turn their heads and a lot of credit to him. He didn't. he did a good job. He did a lot with what he had an alabama. I think it's hilarious at tennessee tennessee. That considering they're part of the reason we were in the whole we were in stitches to the aa and all that other kind of stuff and they've been and a barrel then and we've done nothing but ross on the ashes then so i just wanna give my opinion on it you know. Give shula his credit low. Nick sabin i you know i to think about the day that he does say i'm going to step down. He's an incredible incredible recruiter. We had an specialty in this year as obama fan. I'm i'm thirty six. I've seen a lot of tapes now thankfully but if we don't want another one. After this year this team was special. Bama fans realize what just happened in the scheme of things how great. This team was not our most physically gifted the team most athletic talented team but it was an amazing team. If i don't see another one before god called me home. Happy may or the way the performance. Well thank you great. Call david a pleasure to meet you and thank you for the very kind words. Jim terry is up next. Calling from georgia. Terry go right ahead. You're on the air tyring are you. There yes sir. Can you hear me. I sure can. Hey what's good to talk to you again paul. I wanted to change directions today. A little bit on normally talk with you about college football but there's a ongoing college basketball issue that seems to continue to be around and i just want to get your viewpoint viewpoint on why haven't been addressed. It kind of goes back to the phone call. You had a couple of weeks ago with a beat writer that rooch about not only the football situation but more importantly to basketball situation there with their coach so it really comes down to the different schools that are being investigated for paying players to come play there. I don't know which sports company was. I don't want to call the name out. I'm not sure but you'll there are several schools that were implicated in this. So can you share with me and the other callers where that stands out of the. Ncaa hasn't gotten involved. I can't The the nc double a. only follows evidence when when they have it. I mean this. This is no longer in investigative group that goes out in desert own work. it does not they're not equipped to they're very In my in my mind inept when it comes to investigation so they were usually follow a a media report or school simply turning themselves in like. We saw with tennessee a couple of weeks ago. So has anything going to come from. What's happening college basketball or is it just will. I'm sorry. let me that part of the question. You have the two cases right now going on and the two cases at least in the sec or at alabama excuse me auburn and lsu I think both cases will eventually come to come to come to be the auburn case. I think is fairly close. Auburn went ahead and self imposed a A a sanction for this year Lsu is going to is going to have a day in court. I don't think it's that far away. I to think it was Pat forty that question earlier this week. i think they're living on borrowed time but Their time is coming soon. Hey thanks for the call. We're up against a break. More of your phone calls at eight five five two four two seven two eight five. You're listening to the paul finebaum show podcast do own or rent your home share you and i bet it can be hard work you know. It's easy bundling policies with geico. Geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. Its gyco easy visit. Geico dot com. Today that's geico dot com and welcome back. We're here take your phone call guests. We'll start piling in here in a couple of minutes. The number again is eight. Five five two four two seven two eight five early friday afternoon. David is up next. Hey david how you doing today david. We're doing great. Thank you minutes on underprivileged. Talk to my favorite sports talk show host in the world as always thank you. I know we tell. I talked to you several weeks. We talked a couple of times. Back during the season about matt jones and trophy and man to haunt. I just came out of nowhere and just It was amazing. But i think matt really solidified himself as a Topnotch quarterback we wish him all the best follow. Got a question for you. I saw where the senior softball players from alabama that would have been done last year. They've all decided to come back and play because of the covid room and With alabama's basketball team playing soil and project number one seat. Can you remember a time. Decca sane team won the football and basketball national championship in se near Yes I it was two thousand and six when florida wanted and football and billy donovan wanted in basketball. Okay i was just. I haven't been able to find. It had been able to find anybody that knew for. Sure but we we. We're happy the recruiting class saving guy I know everybody's chinatown down. And wishing he would retire but I think the future is is. It's ever been and alabama and i didn't let clay dot. Lsu the real coach. Oh coaches basketball and alabama roll tide. Great thank you very much Let's continue with more calls and mac is in baltimore. Hey good afternoon afternoon. Paul how you doing. We're doing greg me on happy here it. I'm i'm happy. I'm kind of following up on that prior caller. I just wanted to talk about the Sec i've been trying to call into week to talk about the sec. Big twelve challenge. I was surprised the sec. One love sec basketball but just didn't Have faith in depth. I was surprised to find out that maybe Big ten's top is way ahead of sec's top but once you get past those top teams. I see c- might be deeper than the big twelve but the talent in the middle there Still i i don't believe alabama actually has a shot at winning a national championship. I know bama fans are spoiled. They win everything and football. But this is basketball. You know savings not there on. The sidelines is year round sweet. Sixteen appearance for alabama would be remarkable. And they'd be lucky to get that kinda wanted to see your your thoughts any empathy. I think right now if you're if you're realistic and basketball gonzaga looks like they're the best team in the country by far so i would be reluctant to make too much of a call beyond alabama having a great year but you know alabama still has a five six weeks to go. They are on the on the border of a one or two seed tomorrow game against missouri. We'll we'll help at least shape up. What what february looks like but know basketball is a corky sport. Is you know. Mac and watch tennessee a couple of years ago. I thought they were a final four team and get beat in the sweet sixteen. It's all about matchups in the tournament. And you have no idea what's going to happen absolutely that that make a lot of sense and i got gotta just want to put it in there. You know speaking of the big twelve. I know gonzaga's. They're unstoppable but that baylor team you have a switch carried a blow teams out there not blowing out pacific or pepperdine. They're blowing out oklahoma and hectic than you know some real program that have put together winning season consistently. Yeah you know as far as the sec. mean you have alabama and tennessee but it gets a little murky after that because lsu has had some really bad outings florida inexplicably lost at home to south carolina. And beyond that. I don't. I don't i don't know about you. I don't see another. Sec t arkansas. Looked like they were contending. Maybe they'll come back but there. There is not a clear cut team beyond those four or five. Definitely i mean i in my opinion I think that the florida losses vary explicable Mike white is A child and frank martin is a man bring. Martin knows how to coach make adjustments throughout the game. Mike white record against frank martin is very poor. I don't even know if he has a win in all honesty Has this laws had a full court. Buzzer beater loss A couple years back has the elite eight royal off. You know i. I think it's really Mike white this is coming from a gator fan. Mike white you know great recruiter A great leader of men maybe But there seems to be some sort of issue that he may be isn't able to communicate with his team as well and really give the role that people are needed in every year. Three or four players. Transfer from that program. and what. What message is that sending to recruit that. Hey you know When he's recruiting had to come here but in two years you might get buried on the back of the end of the bench and then you're gonna have to leave and go somewhere else. I think mike white You know the defensive coach. He's made this year while you couldn't some prince at princeton offensive really been putting in sets to try and get guys like trae man and casselton going so i gotta give them credit where credit is due but he really seems out of touch and out of his league really coaching high level division. One basketball he rarely makes in. Game adjustments the is and His team's only get worse throughout the season. They rarely get better. Well i i. I'm i'm conflicted. Because i think he's a good a good coach but florida. Florida expectations are beyond where he has been able to get the program so it is still to be determined but i really appreciate the conversation. And let's Let's talk again soon. Macs thank you very very much. How about jimmy. jimmy is up next in mobile alabama. Hey jamie hey paul. How are you doing today jimmy. We're doing great all right. I won't comment on the yard. Call awhile ago. That talked about mike shula. And eli goal randy. Oh and He's a young guy but You go back to John forty think to john. Fourteen isn't has been the voice of alabama football. He lies he's great but go back. John forty but i'm old way you know you you you put me in a really Conflicting position here. Because i've been friends with for a time. But john forni was was like a father to me. We worked together after he was after. He lost his job. Alabama we got together and started a saturday morning show and became really incredibly close. Friends and one of the honors of my life was to be a a pallbearer his funeral and no one has ever meant more to me so you're you're you definitely preaching to the choir there on john forni. Well that's a that's a great That's a great honor that they gave you to do that. secondly do you know if alabama his Reached out to mike shula in any way to welcome him back for anything You know that's a good question. I i am unaware of mike ever returning officially to alabama. But i hope they would You know the remember Sabin was in in in miami dolphins. Were don shula used to coach. And when saving took over Don show took a few few very low. Blows that nick sabin so my guess is that there was some bad blood between the families but now the dawn has gone. And that's a good fourteen years ago. I do think it would be I i don't really care who you are. I think you always should be welcome back. Especially someone who not only was a head coach but a player in alabama. Right you know. He he wants to. Alabama vets is messes alma mater. In his home. He spent a lot of years. I think it'd be nice if they reached out. I totally back. Some degree by no means was it was a big fan of mike shula coaching. But but i. I always liked him as a person he He was a genuinely decent decent guy and It it's been a long time. I i agree with you on that. Hey thank you very very much for the call. Let's check with pat who in alabama. Hey pat how are you. I am doing well patch. What's going on see now. Oh my goodness you are you doing. Okay yeah i just wanted to call taking well. It is It's been an awfully long time since we've we've chatted pat and i think i'm doing okay. I just can't bolland nursing home on november. Third obama ceo which you need for sure but in high tokyo later pat. I want you to promise me that you will stay in touch with me. Okay we'll polish. Will you be well. Let me thinking of you. Thank you so much. I appreciate the call. We are going to take a break. More of your phone calls at eight five five two four two seven two eight five number of guests. We'll start dropping by here including What are the stars or the missouri basketball team as they get ready for alabama tomorrow. You're listening to the paul finebaum. Show podcast yup. We welcome you back. It is great to have you back and we're really excited by our next guest. He is drew smith of the shooting guard for the missouri tigers. As they get ready for the crimson tide tomorrow drew started his career at evansville and was quite a stand out there transferred to missouri and has been one of the stalwarts konso. Martin's team is They are knocking on the door of an ncwa bid in pretty extraordinary season. Jury thank you for making time. Good afternoon and how are you doing. i'm doing good. Just try and get some for for. It's too early to while so just kind of hanging out for the rest of the night. I think that's like what Eleven or twelve. Call game at a when i was in college. I wasn't even up at that time. So i know that's not going to be. Your problem is no eleven. Am tomorrow let me let me. Let me ask the obvious question. Drew and and i know the college players are are getting tired of this subject. But it's affecting everyone no matter what you're playing college basketball or doing what we all do every day but what. We're almost eleven months ended. The into covert disrupted the tournament last year. And obviously everything else but What's it been like for you and in trying to cope with something quite frankly. None of us have ever been through before. Yeah it's been it's been different. It was definitely different early on. I mean it's kind of it's kind of become normal at this point. I mean it's just really the thing that i think has been the hardest. Ucla was just the the stadium. Just kinda the renew being empty And also just kind of outside of basketball. How you're just a little more secluded. You can't really do. you can't really do much of anything so definitely. It's been a tough adjustment. But i mean i think it's just something that we've all been willing to do and understand that we have to do in order to keep it even going. I mean you grew up in evansville. And i've been i've been there before and that that is a hot hotbed of college basketball. Evansville it's tremendous reputation and then of course you're missouri which is another one of those hot dad's so when you're playing in front of pack arenas whether it's high school college and suddenly You look up and there's nobody there. Does it affect you. As you're working your way down the court and or or do you just shut everything out. yeah. I think now it's at first. It was it was definitely a little bit of an adjustment. But i think he just kind of shut it all out now. Just understand that all energy you're bringing coming from you and your team mate. And i mean especially on the road like that's all that's all you have is just you and your guys. I mean it's been. It's been pretty cool honestly. It's been different. It's been it's been nice. Force it just kind of just kind of feel we can bring on our own team. I've heard this from some players in different sports. Where because everyone is looking to the next person in your case the next guy Do you feel more of a responsibility to try to try to stay safe Because a lot of folks are is particularly in your case Being one of the leaders of this team. I mean they're relying on you and you're relying on them. How is that. I mean you guys are friends anyway but has has brought teams even closer together. I think it's definitely brought us closer together. Because i mean like you said we after we have to rely on each other and we have to trust each other to know that like. We're all handling our own business. We can't be understand what we have to do. And how the measure that we have to take to make sure they were able to keep playing like we don't wanna get down the stretch and have covert interrupt. Something that's supposed to be a great time for us so yeah we have to just put a lot of trust in each other and just be able to understand that. This is what we have to do. You wanna keep playing basketball. I know you can't get hung up on the future. But i but i'm sure it hasn't gone past you that the entire tournaments going to be in in the state of indiana where you grew up But but you can't get there yet you have to earn your spot in so let me let me. Let me talk about the president. You've already dealt with kentucky The other day and no game is easy in the sec. But tomorrow you're playing team. That was not picked to finish in the top four. They were picked to finish fifth. But they're playing about as well as any any club in america What when you see when you see alabama on film What do you. What do you see. And and what are your thoughts on. Nato's team yeah. They're very good basketball team. I mean they they get the ball out and transition really well and they shoot it really well from the three point line I think. I think they've done a great job. That's you're picking up their intensity on the defensive end as well. So i mean think they're just all around good team. I mean at the end of the day wherever they were picked early in the even doesn't mean much. I think we were picked to finish tenth and the conference this year. So i mean. I think that it's too good teams coming together tomorrow and we're just it's going to be going to be a dogfight and we're just hoping that we come out. Let's talk about your coach. I've known him since he was at tennessee. And i've always thought he was one of the most under a under appreciated Basketball coaches just to ya. Not only His coaching ability but his his skills his interpersonal skills. What's it like to play for coach. Martin it's been it's been really cool. He he's a great guy Outside of basketball first of all. I mean he cares about us outside of the game and wants us to want to develop was off the court more than anything really and i mean as far as basketball goes we all know defensive minded and I mean he's going to reward you if you work hard. That's that's really all day. The score he just wants you to work on the defensive end. And as long as you're doing that and i mean things will work out with them. I mean i think it's been. It's been great playing for them and some of you are now joining us after volleyball. We're chatting here with withdrew smith Star guard for the university of missouri. Big game tomorrow against alabama. We were talking about condo martin when we welcome some more people to our audience. Here drew You talked about the kind of person coach. Martin is off the record. What's he like on the court. He i mean he's intense. See he. it's almost like he's out there with. Sometimes he's called. He's making calls on the sideline. He's going to make sure that worrying like we're locked in we're taking care of business out there on the floor. So i mean it's just we we feed off his energy and he does a great job. I mean just given to us during the game and understanding that I mean he has an effect on us. Well especially on the defensive end with just intensity Our plan so it's been it's been cool to just kind of feed off the energy and just be able to see how passionate he is about the game on the sideline. I alluded to the ncaa tournament being in indiana your home state. Let me let me ask you about that. Because you know i mean we in the media get obsessed. We're talking about tomorrow. In some bracket allergy missouri is on the to line alabama. The on the one line and by the way none of that really matters until we get to do as a player I'm assuming you guys pay attention to this stuff too I mean a little bit. i don't i don't look at any of the bracket policy stuff or anything like that. I just feel like it is. It is kinda can distract. You can get you look in us where you are and that's just not something that we can afford to do right now I visit my fifth year in college. I haven't been to the tournament. So i'm just trying to make sure that myself and the rest of the team is staying locked in standing engaged in. We're we're digging. We're taking every step that we can to make sure we get there. well We all. We're all pulling for you. We hope you get there and we hope he gets there safely. We'll have to set the alarm clock early tomorrow for that eleven. Am columbia missouri a startup. But it's a game that will the whole country will be paying very close attention to drew. Thanks for making time. We hope to talk to you again as we are closer to the tournament all the best. I appreciate it. Thank you you got. What win. great young man. There drew smith the missouri. Guard joining us previewing. Tomorrow's bama missouri game. We'll talk about the alabama part of that game a little bit later on when she saw her joins us in the final hour. We'll take a break then a busy show here in the first forty minutes or so more of your phone calls and more to come as we continue. You're listening to the paul finebaum. Show podcast from back here. Friday afternoon has and Randy is up next. Hey randy go right ahead. You're on the air. This is heavy white and he just left goalie other. But i've got a question right okay. Sec program but i'm saying and i'm just a little curious as to what your history is with. Oh you because. I get the feeling that you're working. Well i i really have no. I have no history Per se pam i I i've been critical of them in terms of their big game appearances but other than that. I think it's a. It's an extraordinarily Great school i've been to. I've been to games air. It's it's an amazing experience. So i don't have any particular issue though you. That's good to hear okay. Well my husband had went into the store and going to ask you something about interview. You had a couple of weeks ago with pretty much all snow. Bill walton bill walton. Was the interview. You're talking about question. Naturally he's not you you tell randy To pathak pam to call us back when he gets home from the store. I hope he was getting something good. Thank you very much for the call. How 'bout Charlie next in new orleans. Hr charlie and fort worth good to talk to you. Charlie yeah I have a question for all. Maybe you are some of your callers. Might be able to answer Do you know what kind of authority that the take troopers. Travel these coaches and their entourage have or they dip because Before the games and Other than the physical appearance as they. But they have authority of mike arrest or anything Especially outside the stadium. Charlie I mean they are there As part of a security force. I believe this is something Of course it's depending on the state. But i know in alabama where i used to live I remember hearing that It was just a a joint agreement between the school and the state troopers hierarchy. But which i think part part of the department of safety. But i mean let me make sure i understand Before i answer. I don't i cannot imagine that they would have much authority considering they are. You know especially in another state. But they're also there to protect the coach not to seek arrest. But i'll find out that's a good question. It's a very good question. let's Chuck checking with jared right now. Hey jared Good afternoon to you. All pham on the one and only my friend. How you doing how are you doing. I'm doing pretty good. Thanks crash amid. Let me start this call with Man i miss taming. I don't know how many longtime listeners we got out there but I'm gonna go into call to talk about a disaster but the guy that was talking about ally gold and all that other stuff. You really ticked me off okay. Because if i remember correctly. Tennessee snitched on alabama. I get that. But guess what they were breaking the rules they were cheating and he mentioned that tennessee's been in a downward spiral ever since then because of it's not because of us is because of you guys because they were breaking the rules and you know what has tennessee fan. We even circuit cheating. Obviously now figured that out we. We're not even good at cheating and you know where. The coach from tennessee came pro alabama. That's all i have to say. He learned it from somewhere. That's all i'm gonna say. And i'm hanging up and listen to your show thank you. Let's check in with people who is up in georgia. Hey pete thank you good afternoon. Everybody i appreciate it. I love your show. Thank you real quick. I thought they were gonna stop having take games and just have Squad or You know inner sec games. I didn't even know mercer head of football team. I wasn't sure i did either. Well in alabama plan mercian. No numbers are as a basketball team. Let me check alabama schedule. Having looked at it yet now. The yeah mercer is the second game of the year. You're you're absolutely right. I did not realize they had a football team. I mean yeah i know. There's a reason they do it. Paul but i tell you what like coach savings says that one time buyers really don't wanna play those games and i know that the other teams need the money and everything. But i wouldn't buy ticket to go to see one of them. Well there's a basic philosophy p till they're playing miami that's their quote unquote big power. Five game they're playing new mexico or new mexico state later in the year. So you get just a a we call him. A tomato can game because they're they're just worthless and i don't want to see the game either. I'll be. I'll be perfectly honest with you. There's no interest in that game at all. I know it's a good game to take your your toddlers too because you can get in and out efficiently but other than that. It's a waste of four hours guys. Thank you for your time buddy. You've got a great show. Thank you You call again. Look forward to chuck talking to you. Let's check in expert. Carlos who was up next. Hey carlos good afternoon good either. what's up. He man happy man. What did the famous for all flying bomb took like country. boy like me from alabama. Call thank you. Thank you paul during the super bowl this weekend. Everybody not only mean mad. Burt eighty five. Percent of this country is one guy we focus on and this at work brady the quarterback from tampa bay Hey man this guy. Didn't this guy didn't know he wasn't your first round. Pick out of united flashy. Yeah go number one. He didn't go number. One third round eating did go on and knowingly start no big i had to wait to. His opportunity came when grigg due drew bledsoe got hurt once. He got that opportunity. You took it all the way to the hall of fame man. You know if. I the guys here Andrei young dr dre diddy combs. Jv carbon hey nine will You old and new orleans. Dwayne covered no way. I bit me five million dollars back. Thank you thank you carl. That's a big bet Five five million bucks out of my betting range anyway carlos. Whatever you're doing. I want to be doing the same thing here in about three hours so we are heading to the second hour. We already talked to theresa myth. We'll talk to ricardo and get his thoughts on the business aspect of the super bowl. This is a game that a lot of people wondered back in june july and august if we would ever get to. We've got to the national championship game in college. Now we've gotten to the ultimate game in pro football later on. We'll go to tampa talk to laura rutledge. We will also talk to see so hurt about nick. Saban's bountiful harvest as well as tomorrow's alabama missouri. Basketball game in columbia. More of your phone calls at eight five two four two seven two eight five. We're off and running here on a friday. Thank you for listening to the paul finebaum. Show podcast the paul finebaum. 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Hour 1: John Talty & Calls

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Hour 1: John Talty & Calls

"Live sports are back just like the rest of us. We're all getting back on the road stopping at a friend's place to watch the game or stopping to grab a bite at our favorite spot in between those stops, there's always shell to help you make the most of the stop you need to make. Cried Passion than patron tree of college. Football leaves here. The Paul Finebaum show our one podcast and we welcome here another day is Thursday in. Thank you very much for being a part of the program and We have a lot to do today and. More, schedules have come out. We had the big ten yesterday today the almost of the SEC the ACC. And that's certainly where we begin as we are. Beginning to look a little bit like football season maybe in a couple of weeks the a the ACC earlier today announced what it would do, and it's a really interesting scheduled. Full schedule that includes Notre Dame for the first time playing a regular ACC schedule. It's for one year only and we'll talk to somebody who played a big role in that a little bit later on. So that's what we have right now it's it is a mixed bag. You ever go to the the pound to to to to pick up a dog and it's about four different or five different breeds. I have one in my house. And this is what you get with the beginning of college football season starting on the twenty ninth of August and going all the way to the twenty sixth of September when the SEC is scheduled to play. So a lot of interesting games in there of course, we knew about some the Notre Dame schedule by far the most interesting it begins on Thursday night, and we'll go through some of it a little bit later on but. Now that we can wrap our arms around the schedule. Maybe some good news will come our way and get this. Much anticipated twenty, twenty season. Under way well, we that's not the only story going out there. There's a lot of the conversation in the air. This is not the sixties or the seventies. This is twenty twenty and revolution brewing is athletes insure twenty, twenty season will be played. On their terms, we've been following the story all week. It began in the PAC twelve of course, and has worked worked its way over to the the big. Can We're we're still waiting to see if it. MAKES, its. Way to a couple of other locations meanwhile Michael Oxley who a year ago was the offensive coordinator at the University of Alabama. He has formed a coalition of minority football coaches many very prominent names involved in trying to make sure that the voices are heard in among the names. Nick Saban will be part of that coalition. So live interesting stories making the rounds Michael Oxley after excuse me he's he was Maryland last year. He's done a really good job though of getting that program up and running, and of course Tug of I lo-, his younger brother is there as well we have a really interesting guest list today that we look forward to talking to you about John Taty John from Al Dot Com with the absolute latest on where the SEC salty of course, a major insider in Birmingham broken many many big stories including the story a week ago today at the SEC would move to a ten game season Pete, Thamel considered among the very best college football writers in the country. About time to get another coach on here I think. So we had coach shrink the other day from Missouri and we have coach. MUSCHAMP. from South Carolina who has had a very interesting approach to vid We will talk to the athletic director at Notre Dame Warburg, easily among the most influential people in all of sports. And later in the program Harry lyles junior returns to the program for for the first time a couple of weeks giving us what he has been able to learn and discern on the on the rebel on on the revolutionary positions of of many of the League's. Beginning to look like football when the coaches poll comes out and how about that Klenge Ohio State and Alabama I think this is the I think the twelve straight year eleven straight year Alabama been in the top three Georgia is number four Lsu five. So just stop right there three, four and five three of the top five from the South Eastern Conference and then you have Florida. At number eight, four of the top eight from the SEC Notre Dame there at number ten and you won't have to look too far when you turn the page here to find yet another group of SEC schools as you'll begin to see Auburn, which there is a lot of conversation about in terms of what kind of year there they'll have followed by Texas am at Thirte-. Keen. Mag Brown's got North Carolina to number nineteen. USC Breathing A. Sigh of relief. They won't see Alabama in the opener at the seven team position Jim Harbaugh team, of course, Michigan. At the Fifteenth Slot So. Round out the Top Twenty Five Ucf Cincinnati Iowa Virginia Tech in Iowa State. But every day and other key player departs of one of the best defensive players in the country has departed from Penn state. We'll. We'll go over all of that for you throughout the day, but the people will be out a little bit later but the coach's polls always the first one out. On the first Thursday in August and It does feel like college football season is upon us. Well, let's get right to it and the phone number's eight, five, five, two, four, two, seven, two, eight, five. Let's. Check in first with our good friend Hugh. And Deep Gap North Carolina Hugh. Thanks great to have you on Hello Paul. Couple of quick points My two brothers were here from Lexington Kentucky this past weekend one, seventy, five, and one, ninety three, and we had a wonderful family dinner with my son and daughter and my five grandchildren. And an interesting subject came up that we debated for a while as a family. My three grand children has three children are in Catholic schools sixth, Grade Eighth Grade and tenth grade at Bishop, McGuinness And they will all be starting regular school next week five days a week teacher goes school same as always. My daughter's two boys or in a charter school outside of Durham. And they're gonNA go two days and they have three days distant learning. Paul we we have a real petri dish. Of of an example of how can be done and we will know probably two months down the road whether or not. The Catholic private school. Got It. Right. Or the State of North Carolina. Got It. Right. And and I for one think this is a very important thing for us to watch with. Both is here in our home state of North Carolina. We've got a BAZILLION dollars, worth the rolling stock. That sat for the last five months empty. The only time the buses went out was to take meals to kids couldn't afford to eat. If there is any single group that needs to be back in school five days a week it's the underprivileged children in our state. I'm going to say this to you I have a hero elating lady named golden my air. And she made the best deductive reasoning logic I ever heard when she talked about. When the Palestinian people would love their children more than they hated the Jews I have this to tell you Paul in my opinion when the Democrat leadership love this country more than they hate Donald Trump, we'll be on the way to resolving trouble. Thank you very much appreciated Goldeneye plummer prime minister of. Israel Who I believe was born in Milwaukee. About that, let's get to the calls some more calls and PAT is. Up Next PAT. GotTa Find My cursor here pet but patch from Georgia. Hey, pat. Good afternoon. Hey Paul. Thank you, I've got some. Information out about Georgia's tickets and it is sketchy. there'll be more information next week after the SEC schedule is released. And they expect the top one percentile. In giving season ticket holders. Probably. Get tickets. They're looking at twenty, twenty, five thousand tickets and there will be no tailgating. Whatsoever in. Athens. If you believe that. And probably the pep band not entire band. Of. The top one percentile. You're talking about. Let me give you an example. I'm GonNa Football Group that's been Biron tickets since nineteen sixty four. And over and above the cost of the tickets, we've contributed a hundred and thirty thousand dollars to the heartland. Fund. And we're only in the top two and a half percent percentile. So so think about this gets those tickets. If we play. Yeah I think this is going to be a conversation wants to schedule comes out. We're going to talk about when it is John Halting, a couple of minutes This conversation will be repeated many times pat. There will be a lot of people like you. Who have given a tremendous amount of support? To universities who are going to get left out and I I I will simply stay out of that conversation leave it to the AD. She tried to explain to their constituents what's going on and it will be a very big challenge. It will be one other comment on on Notre Dame. I recognize Notre Dame for the. Success that they has had over. Seventy years and in college football but. And that's the big, but I'm of the opinion. The way they're going to into the ACC and they're gonNA play this schedule and this one off thing That's just one more. Bad Mark Against Notre Dame. And it's it's we used to say who you to favorite teams well Georgia whoever's playing Florida well I. I'm going to add a third one after this year whoever's playing Notre Dame. Pat Thanks for the call. We are going to take a break more of your phone calls at eight, five, five, two, four, two, seven, two, eight, five, we mentioned the guest list. Notre Dame were will join us the head coach at South Carolina. A Lot a lot to do today on a very busy Thursday you're listening to Paul Finebaum. Show podcast. and. Welcome back we are here on a Thursday afternoon. I. Guess to join US John Talk. Coming up shortly, Shannon is up next in Georgia Hey Shannon. To Paul how you doing? I'm doing great buddy. Hey. So I'm just stay away from controversial topics today the argument since having it. Here's what I wanted to ask you. If you had dance on your show a couple of times, you obviously find him to be pretty reputable. Correct. You said Alex Berenson Yes sir. Yeah. I think Alex is. I've been I mean not only friendly with Alex for a long time. I'm intrigued by the direction he's going I. Don't agree with all of what he says but. I I applaud him for taking a nontraditional look at. Kovin. Well, actually, she did not want to come up with I'm trying to get you to agree with what I'm saying here. That was Mackie's Asian I heard yesterday I was tweeted out last night has anybody noticed that corona virus positive tests have fallen sixty percent in Florida in the last two weeks. Sixty off. That's pretty impressive. Yeah. The only thing I heard on that and listen I'm just I thought I. Think the tropical storm may have cut down a little bit of the reporting around the country including Florida but I I would say Alex knows what he's talking about when he when he's using data. You know what else happened two weeks ago today Paul Now. Then, that's the Republican. National Convention would not be held in Jacksonville. They wouldn't hidden it to you're right. You're absolutely right about that. So amazing that the testing results fell off after that happened by sixty percent party, you know what the infectious fatality rate per Portola nineteen is right now this is from the CBC website I would guess. Pretty pretty narrow. Point. Six five percent. That means of all people catch tobin point six, five percent people die from it. Now. I. Heard Somebody. I think there's a higher probability of dying from. From listening to some of the calls on this show. I'm going to get into that Paul can't offend someone from. Canada. So here's my next point four you the CDC is having to remove forty one hundred death certificates deaths from the cove account because they're district its list, intentional unintentional injury poisoning, and other adverse effects. Four thousand this that were either poisoning. injury or other adverse events. I heard caller say well I don't think we can go back to having football until we have a vaccine for Toby Paul we we have a vaccine for the flute. In every year somewhere between twelve thousand and upwards of sixty thousand people die from the flu that correct Janet I'm curious about one thing and I do not know the answer. Of the of the general population do you do you have any idea the percentage of people that get the Flu Vaccine I do not all because I I know people that will not get it and. I've told the story before, but a very close friend of mine a former coworker refused to get it, and then when you're think was last year, he called me and said Man I wish I had gotten. US In bed for two weeks. I. Yeah I mean and and I think the. Same is true of the. Co- vaccine You you. You don't know what you're going to get. Yeah. It's going to be like like ca capturing. And killing Osama bin Laden. it's still not a surefire fire end to end to it's certainly will help and I. Think Therapeutics are more important frankly. Well. Here's here's the last point that I wanna make him and then I get out of your way in the show and I appreciate it makes picture. I don't know how to pronounce this Congressman's name from Missouri Blaine Loop Chimera I guess how you pronounce it sounds listen Y-. He's calling the director of the CDC and the Director of Health and Human Services to speak to the misrepresentation of Kobe deaths because apparently under the Cares Act There's an additional twenty percent reimbursement a mount added for all Kobe related services reimbursed from the government, the hospitals, and both the director and the CDC director have recently stated in front of Congressional committees that these misincentives for hospitals probably contribute to an over reporting of Kobe deaths. Paul I want to everybody who understand what I'm about to say I'm not saying Tobin's not serious I'm not saying Tobin's not fable. I am saying Kobe has been politicized is using is being used a political weapon and it's being used to heat our social institutions for moving forward and by that, I mean public education worship and institution college football, these things that bring normalcy to our lives. I, believe the data's been manipulated and misreported for political reasons and I don't think you have to look very hard to figure that out. There there's sometimes people in this world those at watch things happen though that make things happen in those that wonder what happened. And I would encourage people instead of sitting around and swallowing whatever pill the media's giving us and I'm not sayin'. Fox's always right seamen's always right MSNBC's always right. You've got to determine to yourself attribute and there's enough information that's factual out there because figure it out. Thank you. Thank you very much out the only network that I depend on every day is the SEC network for my honest and fair information. L. Let's go. Let's. Let's go to Dan next and Louisiana Hello Damn. Rainfall. Royal Ditty and. It'll take care retain the bureau. Do it. If only eight line about three words, borderland. Okay. Some big product. Tell me. Bother to even ask. But they have all given up. They know not what they ask. It's bomb and I can't take. Please say Oh, please understand. This virus and Great Days. Made Road the weekend Matan. Thanks Dan appreciate that was nonstick Curtis is in North Carolina Curtis. Hey Mr embalm how you doing today. I'm a first time caller. Thanks for taking my call. I. Just WanNa say pat from Warner Robins Georgia I hope he gets his tickets because still I've gotten bucks it. The Bell. So anyway, nonetheless opie gets his tickets, but I don't want to add one thing gunman north, Carolina, NASC-, and obviously with respect to southeastern conference but under you can have. Notre. Dame's outlay director and all and a lot of people in this region including myself have been saying this and it needs to be said Notre Dame needs to a conference I mean w sweeney of Clemson has said it or status said it, and there's other schools and other administrators who have said the exact same thing they need to join a conference and I'm in between on this whole thing. With them playing a conference schedule on though the pandemic is affecting all this and whatever. But I don't know that I agree with emplane in the conference and being eligible for the conference championship and furthermore down the road whatever happens with television and the ACC, and how gave him college football changes. They need to join the conference. I mean I don't care anything about their NBC television package or whatever that they've got going to the conference I mean you're in the conference in every other sport you're telling me you can't go in the conference in football it makes no sense to me. It makes no sense to me whatsoever that name would you do me a favor curtis get a hold you over for two hours and I'm GonNa let you interview Jacks Warburg tonight okay. Well I don't think he would. By the way everything you've said has been is a fair question and I'd never understood Notre Dame but. I I also think you have to look at it from a pragmatic standpoint and notre. Dame is the gold standard in college football and I think the Meta, very smart move I don't think they should have tried to hold Notre Dame's feet to the fire to me. I would rather notre dame at the and think, okay, you guys bailed me out maybe maybe we can get off our high horse and come along but that's that's me We'll take a break John. John has been covering the SEC. Comings and goings, and he'll join us next really eager to hear what he has to say. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. We're back. Yeah. Really glad you're here and so many moving parts to the college football season. Scheduling we of course heard yesterday from the Big ten today the ACC a week ago around now, when our next guest John He was first to report rail dot com, that the SEC was moving toward a ten conference game season to begin on September twenty six hasn't been a lot of news out the SEC this week and we welcome John Back to the program. John Thank you very much Want to talk about where the SEC. But. Just your observations about the the entire return to football and the utter chaos that continues to rain. Yeah. That I think everybody has been talking about you know for a while now that just because the way college football is set up, you know there's all these little fiefdoms that kind of. Little rulers and all these different conferences and. More often than not just going to do what's best for them and not necessarily what's best for everybody so you've seen really scattershot approach of. Conferences doing different things conferences rolling out there for ason differently at that turned affected other conferences. So we've seen people I, think you've been included kind of complaining about the lack of leadership at the top and I think that's kind of why you're seeing that. Continues to pop up waste seems like everybody's doing their thing right now? John Lewis about the SEC. Few fans out there who are interested in what's going on you live in Birmingham obviously you're as close to that league has anyone. So a week ago today we learn of what? They are planning we we thought we had an idea about the schedule. A lot of people assumed it would be the next two games and then there was all sorts of Information and guidance, and here we are a week later. I'm I'm I'm I I. Know You look down toward Richard Avenue Richard Arrington. Boulevard. For those three puffs of white smoke but what's going on down there. Yeah I haven't seen the white smoke yet what is it with the grace that comes out that we have elected inappropriate I think we've seen a lot of gray smoke coming out which, of course we're about to get schedule and we get some more grace book. So there was an understanding around the league that they were going to get those two according to. yesterday that obviously came in when I. think that around the conference I would say there is a pretty good understanding of this doing this no opponents that that each team is going to get but it hasn't been finalized yet, and so you know we thought it was going to happen yesterday it does not appear to be happening today you know I Had a sensitive when somebody week, which is tomorrow, and so I think definitely a possibility that will get those next two games I'm trying to. But it hasn't happened to this point and I think you're starting to see all you talked a lot of people around the league. As. Well, there's some frustration going on that. You don't have their schedule yet, and you think about this coaches or a dis or whatnot like history kind of a way of doing things. There's Easter kind of the planning and all these different things that come with it and so. You know not having this important piece of information for that but I think challenging. Some of their patients tests right now. John I realize You know we're we're depending on sources here and things like that. But is there any way to to to dry composite of what you think is going on? You know it's kind of it's You hear different things from different schools. So you know the thing about it is that all it takes is you know one game to change to possibly change the entire schedule. So I'm sure you've. Seeing you know for instance, you know I think Florida at Vanderbilt have been mentioned a lot with Alabama. You know that could've happening and that was I. think he does X. Two opponents they were going to have to face the upcoming two years schedule anyway since I think shocked air but you know one of those two games changes that changes the entire schedule. That's one of the things that's kind of being worked on at this point is just kind of. The final invasion of that. If you change one of those same for whatever reason you know you're going to have to change another game which leads to another game changing. So it was just really kind of one big jigsaw puzzle that has to be figured out and right now that's. Only getting input from eighties, things like that. But that that task in general as I think commissioner thank you said on your show is going to womack who's been in the League for a very long time as well respected around the league at. That leadership position Desi for a long time. So John Was it your best guess that they went ahead after all this conversation back and forth about strength of schedule in power ratings that they had settled on perhaps going ahead with the next two rotating opponents and once, and then it broke down. Do we we really have any ideal. It's hard to fully no. Yeah you hear it. It's Kinda like I mean all you know anybody really a big game of telephone. You know I'm not on those calls and so you know somebody's gotTa call tell somebody something and they another person's pay just kind of like what gets used to correct is that actually what happened or is that just speculation is truly alterior motive for people wanting to information. Out these days anyway. But I think there I mean they do before they moved to ten game conference schedule. They had different models as to what that was looking. One of them was kind of let's go with the next to cross divisional ponant that would be on the sweet. Here's another one that would take more into account. You know different strengths trying to balance things out. So that got. You get all the toughest team. So that goes into vision and so certain. There are people at different schools that are politicking more for that approach because you know you don't want if you already have a tough place, you don't want to add the most difficult protests and the opposing division on top which facing. So people have been making that argument now holds. Kelly what will wait I? Think we'll find out what that kid will get set out to everybody around the league finalized but there are different differing opinions that do what would be the most fair equitable have about doing this in I realize we're just having fun here. we don't know but I, if if you use that model, let's use Alabama as. They're picked to finish third in the country probably will be picked to win the SEC They would have Georgia home if I understand this correctly. And Florida on the road Do you think that could be the source of some of the conversation because we we've already heard Florida complain in the past about having to play Lsu every year, and suddenly they would get. Alabama. Thinking about it this way, Paul, you know if you're Alabama, you already have your USC opponents are Georgia Tennessee, which most people consider to be you know Georgia's to be the top team in the SEC ease Florida's public Tennessee raised kind of the general acceptance to. preseason projection wise as to what that is. So if you're Alabama and you already have to kind of be like, you don't want to add Florida given, you're already going to have to play chew and Oliver that takes. On the flip side of your Florida, you don't want add Alabama either you know you're already getting lsu plus the the poetry already facing sec east, and so there's certainly an argument for those top teams you. Know No. Knock on these teams. But if you're on the SEC west, you don't already have the schedule you want reserved vanderbilt. If you're in the SEC east, you know having scheduled yet you want Arkansas and that's just the way it is you WanNa. Win As many as you head and still even a, you know a pandemic which people have questions about whether we're GonNa have the season at all people are still thinking about how am I gonNa win win the title how do I get it? How do I get to College Football playoff and so? What are still very much in play and so like you said, if you're one of the top teams of the conference, you want add easiest possible opponent you want to get the windy yet. So that's please outside of He's behind conversation. John talked before you go The SEC came out and announced it would start to twenty six a week ago we heard from the commissioner and it looked like they were extremely concerned about safety in return of students and everything else but since then. We've seen the big ten starting literally Labor Day weekend the ACC right behind that. A couple of big twelve schools are going to start in August Week later I know you broke the story what are what are your thoughts of the SEC waiting until September twenty six to begin the season? I. Think it's approach that makes a lot of sense to me. Honestly I think it's something that you're able to. especially if there was other conferences do end up going ahead and there is doubt that will happen I think especially in the big ten concerns about coaches and others about whether they actually end up playing you know that first week. But if they do you know whether it's big twelve. Or Big Ten. It gives you Paul two weeks of data and. kind of seeing what happens to possibly make adjustments fear schedule they you see the big ten tried to start up the timber I think some of the first game September third or fourth they start up Dan if canceled game, they realize they're testing protocols aren't getting it done but that's all very valuable information at the sec us to possibly you know just things don't conference and so when I talked to people around college football, a lot of people like you. Think that there is you know some good reasoning behind moves to push things back I know where the big ten all what they've said publicly think that my s